[23:30] <Draggin> node357, yes, I have them working, but what I really want to know is why I can't see the fonts I copied to fonts:/// in fonts:///
[23:30] <unop_> ubuntu, ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profile>/bookmarks.html
[23:30] <Slart> Lainy: that's very very odd...
[23:30] <node357> Draggin: no idea, sorry
[23:30] <sap> Hi, any ideas on voice-chat software to use , compatible with linux and windows o/s ?
[23:30] <Traveler8> after we get done with that problem, can I be next? please!!!
[23:30] <Chousuke> Itaku: funny how you still were able to output a comma properly :/
[23:30] <haywire> Hi there, I've got an issue - I need to somehow boot this vista recovery iso, but obviously Ubuntu won't let me open the CD tray. Is there any way of loading the entire thing into ram (I have 4GB) so I can burn a CD? Or, can I "burn" it to USB pendrive?
[23:30] <Itaku> WTF?
[23:30] <Itaku> IDK WHY...
[23:30] <Draggin> Anyone know why my 'invisible' fonts are working, even though they're invisible?
[23:30] <Lainy> Slart: The folder icon, however, is slightly dimmed like all the other hidden folders (which do have a dot prefix).
[23:30] <Slart> sap: teamspeak.. skype..
[23:30] <Draggin> Thanks anyway node357 :)
[23:31] <Chousuke> Itaku: is your caps lock still on? :P
[23:31] <Itaku> YES
[23:31] <Lainy> Slart: Any ideas on how to unhide this folder? None of the files within it have a dot prefix either.
[23:31] <superactive> Henrik_: So the asla drivers is all I need?
[23:31] <Slart> Lainy: can you do a ls -la in the parent folder and pastebin it?
[23:31] <node357> hope someone else knows
[23:31] <Slart> !pastebind
[23:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebind - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:31] <Chousuke> Itaku: maybe shift got unstuck...
[23:31] <Slart> !pastebin
[23:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:31] <Itaku> NO ITS STILL STUCK
[23:31] <Chousuke> in which case, disable caps lock. ;P
[23:31] <LjL> Slart: we aren't yet at the point of having a daemon for it i'm fraid
[23:31] <Itaku> ok disabled
[23:31] <sap> Slart, hmm.. teamspeak requires a server to be set up, right? or are there free ones?  regarding skype i think its not on linux
[23:31] <Henrik_> superactive, yes, the newest one have the X-Fi gpl included
[23:31] <Itaku> omg it worked
[23:31] <superactive> wonderful
[23:31] <Itaku> now i cant use caps at all...
[23:31] <unop_> lol
[23:32] <Lainy> Slart: What's odd is that in a console, it shows up without the -a flag.
[23:32] <Slart> LjL: huh? daemon for what?
[23:32] <Lainy> Slart: It shows up even with a normal ls.
[23:32] <LjL> Slart: pastebind.
[23:32] <Slart> sap: teamspeak requires a server.. correct
[23:32] <ubuntu> What does this mean? cp: omitting directory `/media/disk-2/home/zero88'
[23:32] <Slart> LjL: hehe.. ok
[23:32] <Henrik_> superactive, if you need help translating something please pm me ;)
[23:32] <Traveler8> after that problem could I be next? Please!!!
[23:32] <unop_> ubuntu, you need to use -R with cp to copy directories
[23:32] <superactive> Henrik_: You swedish to
[23:32] <sap> Slart, so do i have to set up one or are there some free servers i can join?
[23:32] <ubuntu> unop_, ah ok thanks
[23:32] <haywire> I'm not sure how complicated my problem is, more a logical one than a technical, really.
[23:32] <Itaku> where can i get more screen savers?
[23:32] <unop_> ubuntu, or better even -a .. cp -a /src /dest
[23:33] <DarkJustice> I have a Realtek alc655 ac'97 soundcard and I'm only getting 2 speakers to output, I've tried messing with alsamixer and kmix and can't seem to get it to work.. .I have pasted my .asoundrc which I stored in /home/DarkJustice (hoping that's the right place).. my asounrc is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63358/ ... any help getting the 5.1 channel sound to work would be appreciated, thanks
[23:33] <ubuntu> unop_, k thanks
[23:33] <Lainy> Slart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63361/
[23:33] <zaraba> hiya - can anyone help with pulseaudio problems?
[23:33] <node357> Itaku, http://www.reallyslick.com/
[23:33] <Slart> sap: google for teamspeak.. they have a site.. the server doesn't require compiling or anything.. just unpack and run.. and a web-interface for configuring..  if you want something simple, I'd say go with skype
[23:33] <Slart> thanks lainy
[23:33] <haywire> All the bootable pendrive things I've seen are for windows.
[23:34] <zaraba> I have to close pulse to listen to Flash
[23:34] <haywire> Which is not an option, currently.
[23:34] <acomaco> anyone know what command NetworkManager is runned from?
[23:34] <Slart> Lainy: bah.. sorry.. I meant ls -la
[23:34] <sap> Slart, okie.  so what would u recommend better : skype or teamspeak?  I can try either
[23:34] <Henrik_> superactive, yes
[23:34] <pvalley> I've installed screenlets setup the daemon but how do I get them on my screen?
[23:35] <Slart> sap: I'd go with skype.. easy to setup.. lots of support etc
[23:35] <Lainy> Slart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63362/
[23:35] <sap> Slart, sounds good.  So i just install the .deb file for ubuntu ? from here ? http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[23:35] <Traveler8> Can anyone help with windows drivers for ubuntu wireless networking
[23:35] <basso> wha.. i just discovered why KDE rocks on my small 12 inch screen.. :O
[23:36] <Xristofer> was was the boot command that was suggested for the blank screen i was receiving on a laptop?
[23:36] <zaraba> anyone able to help with Pulse?
[23:36] <CorbinFox> argh, i got a presentation due and open office is being as responsive as a sloth covered in clue tied down with belts to something else that moves very slowly.  Anyone have a similar experience?  Maybe a fix?
[23:36] <node357> !wifi | Traveler8
[23:36] <ubotu> Traveler8: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:36] <node357> I hope I did that right
[23:36] <Rosenny> CorbinFox: have you tried #openoffice?
[23:36] <ubuntu> Can someone tell me where i can find Firefox bookmarks on my computer?
[23:36] <Slart> Lainy: hah.. I just renamed a folder to that very name.. and now it's hidden too.. might be something with the "~" in the folder name
[23:37] <CorbinFox> rosenny: nope, not yet, but thanks i'll head over there
[23:37] <rogue780> does anyone here run ubuntu with a Via Unichrome II video card or the chipset CN700?
[23:37] <Slart> sap: yes.. or install from the repos.. don't know if it's available there
[23:37] <unop_> CorbinFox, i find problems with ooimpress if i use very large pictures and rich backgrounds, etc
[23:37] <unop_> CorbinFox, does it work ok if you start out with a blank document?
[23:37] <diagon> hey, are you in design? guess what, there's enough people in design. do something else. that's all, thanks.
[23:37] <Lainy> Slart: Oh that is very odd. Thanks, the problem is now fixed!
[23:37] <IrishDavid> hey, what terminal command displays available sound devices?
[23:37] <CorbinFox> unop_: i am using the powerpoint thing (i think it is impress) and there are good backgrounds and large pics...okay, perhaps that is it
[23:38] <unop_> IrishDavid, asoundconf list
[23:38] <sap> Slart, yeah checked the repos its version 1._   compared to 2.0-  on net, so i guess it'll be better to download it from the website and i hope their .deb is trustable ;)
[23:38] <Slart> Lainy: but now we've got a new problem.. why on earth does nautilus hide folders containing a ~ .. is that standard behaviour???
[23:38] <unop_> IrishDavid, on a more general basis, lspci and lshw also work
[23:38] <Slart> sap: sounds like a good plan.. I use the deb from their site myself
[23:38] <Lainy> Slart: Hmm.. no idea :/
[23:38] <Traveler8> Ok Let me re-ask my question another way.  How do I change the driver in ubuntu when it is   .exe
[23:39] <Lainy> Slart: That's worthy of a bug report, I think.
[23:39] <matthew> Scripting question: How do I make a script execute its commands in another window/ in the background? Ex: script does ./run_a_program_that_takes_a_long_time but returns a response quickly while the program continues to run.
[23:39] <sap> Slart, k ty, *runs off to install skype* :)
[23:39] <Xristofer> anyone know the boot command that was suggested for the blank screen i was receiving on a laptop?
[23:39] <IrishDavid> ok, i cant find what i need, what should i insert to Kino where it asks for Audio Device when default doesnt work?
[23:39] <Xristofer> using the ubuntu live cd, it loads then goes blank
[23:39] <Traveler8> bye the way obotu, thank you
[23:39] <Xristofer> i think the suggestion was something about usb
[23:39] <crazytalk_> if i import files from an old users home dir who doesn't have an account anymore, into a new users home dir using copy and paste, will this cause any problems?
[23:39] <unop_> Traveler8, you need to get the drivers in the form of a .inf and .sys file -- perhaps you need to unpack that .exe - try unzip and/or cabextract
[23:40] <Traveler8> yea I tried that.
[23:40] <sacamano> hi, random question. i just installed microsoft ttf fonts, and i think it made times default. does anyone know what font is defaul on ubuntu?
[23:40] <unop_> crazytalk_, it shouldnt do -- but you never know - so make a backup of the current user's directory first
[23:40] <crazytalk_> i just created the new user, new ubuntu install
[23:41] <Slart> sacamano: might be the deja vu font..
[23:41] <Xristofer> ok i guess i gotta start over
[23:41] <unop_> sacamano, try navigating to  fonts://
[23:41] <Slart> sacamano: but I'm not really sure
[23:41] <Traveler8> I even  tried ndisgtk and could not get it to load eother
[23:41] <basso> GOd save the queen!
[23:41] <matthew> Scripting question: How do I make a script execute its commands in another window/ in the background? Ex: script does ./run_a_program_that_takes_a_long_time but returns a response quickly while the program continues to run.
[23:41] <unop_> Traveler8, well, look on driverguide.com -- see if you can find the drivers in an alternate package
[23:41] <crazytalk_> unop_ ty
[23:41] <sacamano> unop_, ok. but its just displaying all installed
[23:42] <rogue780> does anyone here run ubuntu with a Via Unichrome II video card or the chipset CN700?
[23:42] <Xristofer> Anyone please help me with this problem.  I'm attempting to run Ubuntu for the first time today on my AMD Turion64X2 with 1gb ram.  I load the live cd and have tried safe video mode and changing vga but each time it goes to the Ubuntu loading screen and afterwards loads a few settings only to freeze.  Any ideas???
[23:42] <crazytalk_> is it possible to set system restore points? this is my third ubuntu install
[23:42] <Slart> rogue780: what kind of motherboard uses that?
[23:42] <Traveler8> thank you ubuto
[23:42] <Traveler8> and unop
[23:42] <AaronMT> Hi, I have a problem where my audio is very quiet, despite the volume slider on max and alsamixer PCM on max (red) [compared with Vista] - Anyone have a possible fix?
[23:42] <rogue780> Slart, the  VIA EPIA EX10000EG is the one I use, but that chip is on a few others
[23:43] <unop_> matthew, i dont think you can send a program to another window, but you can send a job into the background .. ./command &
[23:44] <carla> hi every1
[23:44] <matthew> unop_, will that make the command return right away? I need to start a program from a php webpage.
[23:44] <DarkJustice> I have a Realtek alc655 ac'97 soundcard and I'm only getting 2 speakers to output, I've tried messing with alsamixer and kmix and can't seem to get it to work.. .I have pasted my .asoundrc which I stored in /home/DarkJustice (hoping that's the right place).. my asounrc is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63358/ ... any help getting the 5.1 channel sound to work would be appreciated, thanks
[23:44] <Slart> rogue780: I have a mini-itx card from via that I run xubuntu on.. don't know what chipset it uses though
[23:45] <unop_> matthew, you should look into the php specific functions for starting processes/jobs -- i don't know php but the docs ought to tell you, also visit #php
[23:45] <adilson> yay mpd works still a few security bugs to solve especially with username but meh its  working music is coming out *its alive alive muahahaha* :3
[23:45] <carla> I just got this ubuntu working but I get no sound. I tried to help myself but without much luck...
[23:46] <matthew> unop_, I know the command, (its exec("commandhere")) but it will wait until the job is complete and in my case the job is a server application that is meant to run forever
[23:46] <Tigerplug> hey everyone
[23:46] <carla> hey
[23:47] <Tigerplug> hey carla
[23:47] <Tigerplug> whats up?
[23:47] <adilson> !sound | carla
[23:47] <ubotu> carla: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[23:47] <crazytalk_> unop_: how do i copy invisible files and dirs like .wine from one users home dir to the other? i'd like to copy everything. basically all i was trying to do when i broke ubuntu earlier was change my username
[23:47] <unop_> matthew, try exec("/path/to/command &") then
[23:47] <crazytalk_> i changed the username and tried to change the home dir
[23:47] <unop_> crazytalk_, cp -a /src /dest
[23:47] <rogue780> Slart, did you have any trouble getting the drivers to work? or did it work out of the box? I can't get 2d acceleration to work
[23:47] <crazytalk_> ty
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> carla, Fixing sound.. download this: http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh  #and run the script as Normal User... with this command: bash ./alsa-info.sh  ... then go to http://en.pastebin.ca/906336 and answer those questions ..  then  /join #Alsa and provide them with your question and a link to the uploaded file.
[23:47] <carla> ok thanx ubotu
[23:48] <g009> anyone use vlc to play divx in firefox
[23:48] <sap> Hmm..  looks like linux wants us to really learn the hard way..lol .  The skype I installed is having conflicts with the firewall (firestarter) and works only when I allow all traffic through.  Is there a way to selectively allow only skype to use the outgoing connections?
[23:48] <Slart> rogue780: it worked out of the box.. I don't know if I have 2d acceleration.. I use it as a gateway/server/firewall.. so I don't really need it
[23:48] <Tigerplug> VLC kicks A**
[23:48] <CorbinFox> sap: shouldnt you be able to just open up th eport that skype uses?
[23:48] <g009> it wont play divx in firefox for me
[23:48] <unop_> Tigerplug, sure, but no need for the profanity :)
[23:48] <adilson> Jack_Sparrow: 0_o what was that about, is alsa having problems
[23:48] <DarkJustice> I have a Realtek alc655 ac'97 soundcard and I'm only getting 2 speakers to output, I've tried messing with alsamixer and kmix and can't seem to get it to work.. .I have pasted my .asoundrc which I stored in /home/DarkJustice (hoping that's the right place).. my asounrc is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63358/ ... any help getting the 5.1 channel sound to work would be appreciated, thanks
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> sap, SOunds like you added a firewall and are not letting iptables do its' job
[23:49] <sap> CorbinFox, the problem is that it uses a random port because i see a whole range of port numbers it is trying to connect
[23:49] <Jack_Sparrow> adilson, If they have sound problems that the general help cannot fix.. alsa will fix them up
[23:49] <CorbinFox> sap: hmm, perhaps you can tell skype to use only one?
[23:49] <sap> Jack_Sparrow, no i learnt firestarter is just a front end to iptables
[23:50] <sap> CorbinFox, k let me see that one
[23:50] <matthew> unop_, thanks for the help, all I had to do was use your suggestion AND pipe all output to /dev/null
[23:50] <gokorn> how to see what graphic card do i have? i have ati but dont know what version
[23:50] <eTiger13> is there a way to do a mv * but not move one or two files?
[23:50] <crazytalk_> sap, once you install firestarter, do you not need to run it manually everytime you log on?
[23:50] <adilson> hmmm dont use my username on irc even knowing it got posted by accident
[23:50] <lesjohn> i installed firefox-3.0 but then set my default browser back to 2.0 because mplayer was having problems.  i'd like to set it back, but preferred applications needs a custom launch command and i don't know the right one to use.  what's the right way to fix this?
[23:50] <crazytalk_> because i tried to do that and it told me i wasn't root
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> sap, correct.. but if you had not installed firestarter .. and unless you needed to open up ports manually, there is no reason to do so... it would not be a problem now
[23:50] <gokorn> i have driver fglrx is that the right one?
[23:50] <sap> crazytalk_, no , only when i make any changes
[23:51] <crazytalk_> sweet, good to know, ty
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> gokorn, for 9550 and above yes
[23:51] <sap> Jack_Sparrow, yes that is right,  but I felt the default "open ports for any applicaiton" was too insecure so I chose blacklisting traffic .
[23:51] <Slart> well.. I'm off to bed.. good night everyone
[23:52] <crazytalk_> nn
[23:52] <sap> well, skype has option to choose port Only for "incoming connections"  and Not outgoing ones :/
[23:52] <gokorn> ok. what about wirelles do you have any man pages how to set up i tryed several programs from add/remove programs to set up wirelles they all see wirelles router but notting cant connect to it
[23:52] <eTiger13> is there a way to do a mv * but not move one or two files?
[23:52] <ubuntu> HELP. Where can i find the bookmarks for firefox?
[23:53] <eTiger13> in the bookmarks tab?
[23:53] <crazytalk_> ubuntu: under the bookmarks menu?
[23:53] <nickrud> ubuntu ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxx.default/
[23:53] <sap> I so wish they could use something like Zonealarm for linux  such that I could select programs to open ports for rather than ports for programs
[23:53] <adilson> hmmm bed not a bad idea especially since i have exams 2morow
[23:54] <ubuntu> nickrud, what do you mean /xxxx.defualt? my comp crashed so im on the live cd and are trying to save the bookmarks
[23:54] <invertedtwisted> is anyone here experienced with setting up xorg.conf and fglrx?
[23:54] <crazytalk_> sap, maybe there's an alternative to firestarter that will do this for you
[23:54] <nickrud> ubuntu it's a random set of alphanumerics for different profiles iirc
[23:54] <ubuntu> nickrud, ok
[23:54] <nickrud> ubuntu should only be one of those in that dir
[23:55] <twistage> Anyone familiar with iptables?
[23:55] <gnychis> how do you determine if you have USB 2.0 or 1.0?
[23:55] <nickrud> invertedtwisted if you're using the ones from ubuntu, yes.
[23:55] <Orbixx> Had trouble booting off Live CD. Would hang at black screen after selecting Live CD at CD boot menu. Removed "splash" and "quiet" from boot options, it works and I'm now in Live CD. I install Ubuntu to hard disk, and when I boot, the same thing happens with the screen, completely blank, but signal is coming through as my monitor is not on standby. Although, in rescue mode, it boots fine.
[23:55] <nickrud> Orbixx sounds like a vid driver problem, what  card do you have
[23:56] <sap> crazytalk_, i think firestarter  and guarddog  are two most common firewalls for linux
[23:56] <nickrud> hi Jack_Sparrow
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, howdy
[23:56] <Orbixx> nickrud: nVidia 8800gtx
[23:56]  * Pelo waves to everyone
[23:56] <PwrSurge> try vga mode or vesa driver
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Orbixx, At start or install press F6 and remove Quiet and Splash from the command line. If it still fails.. Repeat and after removing quiet and splash add noapic acpi=off before the "--"
[23:56] <sap> crazytalk_, and none of them works like zonealarm unfortunately :(
[23:57] <Orbixx> righto
[23:57] <Orbixx> I shall do as suggested and return to report the result. :)
[23:57] <nickrud> Orbixx yup, do what jack says, then go get the nvidia driver from the nvidia site. your 8800 is too new for the ubuntu drivers
[23:57] <julle> i have forgot how to connect to a friends ubuntu machine via remote desktop, can someone please refresh my mind?
[23:57] <Falling-Inferno> Can someone tell me why my flash is corrupted?
[23:57] <gokorn> i have "ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 256 MB" but on chose graphic card there is no this version to chouse?
[23:57] <Orbixx> Much obliged.
[23:57] <invertedtwisted> nickrud, I'm trying to install fglrx. I think I've done everything right, but fglrxinfo doesn't say anything about ATI, instead it has stuff about Mesa in it. I started a thread about it here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4723893#post4723893 , you can ignore everything up until the last post really. If you could offer any help, that would be great.
[23:57] <crazytalk_> sap, couldn't you look up the ports that are required for the app in question, perhaps there is a reason the developer wants you to implement access this way
[23:57] <Orbixx> Back in a few.
[23:57] <sap> crazytalk_, i checked the ports it uses and they are just random  across thousands of ranges :/
[23:57] <Falling-Inferno> Can someone tell me why my flash is corrupted?
[23:58] <Pelo> Falling-Inferno, what makes you think it is corrupted ?
[23:58] <ari_stress> morning
[23:58] <Heat45> #Bleach Fans
[23:58] <ubuntu> nickrud, what is the exact location of ~/.mozilla if you know?
[23:58] <ari_stress> can i "convert" my gutsy into edubuntu using apt-get?
[23:59] <crazytalk_> sap, nasty. let me know if you find a fix
[23:59] <nickrud> ubuntu from the live cd, it would be /<mntpoint>/home/<usr>/.mozilla
[23:59] <MrGnu> greetings Nickrud!
[23:59] <Heat45> any girls?
[23:59] <Pelo> ari_stress, yes, sudo apt-get install ebutntu-desktop, restart X and then chose the kind of sesson from te menu in the login
[23:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ari_stress, sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[23:59] <Falling-Inferno> When i got onto YouTube it shows a grey box for a long period of time.and i hear the sound of the video but when the video actually shows up it is Deformed.
[23:59] <Pelo> ari_stress, and once you've done that let us know and we'll tell you how to get rid of gnome
[23:59] <sap> crazytalk_, i'm not hopeful of the firewall replacement thing but i'll try soem other workaround
[23:59] <evilbug> how can i get drivers for my lexmark 2200 printer? i'm running 7.10
[23:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Heat45, offtopic


[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[07:23] <dpm> morning all o/
[07:23] <elfy> morning
[07:27] <dpm> hi elfy
[07:41] <MooDoo> morning
[08:11] <Tm_T> g'day
[09:55] <popey> dpm: mhall119 would it be possible / useful to have a Q&A today from the desktop sprint with maybe a couple of people for questions?
[09:55] <popey> I'm sure we can drum up some questions from the internet
[09:55] <mhall119> popey: probably they would all be about Unity 8, inwhich case I don't think these guys woudl necessarily know the answers
[10:08] <dpm> popey, I actually was going to suggest that :)
[10:09] <popey> hah
[10:09] <dpm> so I think it would definitely be useful. As for possible, you guys should have a better overview of who to coerce... err invite from the desktop team ;)
[10:12] <mhall119> will might be available
[10:13] <mhall119> I'll see if anyone else will be
[10:13] <mhall119> popey: do you want to ask any Unity8 devs too?
[10:14] <popey> ok
[10:16] <popey> mhall119: 17:00 UK time, right? 16:00 UTC? (that's what it is in my calendar)
[10:29] <mhall119> that's what mine says as well
[10:33] <popey> ok
[11:20] <dpm> rock on :)
[11:22] <mhall119> jose: please register for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/ so I can promote you to a track lead
[11:24] <mhall119> popey: will says yes, we can do it in the sprint room and anyone who can answer can step in and do so
[11:24] <mhall119> I might put you up on the projector :)
[11:35] <popey> hah
[13:07] <balloons> dholbach, any idea who might be willing to demo deb2snap? mterry can't do it, but I think it's still worthy of being shown off
[13:09] <dholbach> balloons, mterry is the expert
[13:09] <dholbach> I don't know who else worked on it
[13:10] <balloons> dholbach, also, are you planning on finding folks for the snappy show and tell sessions?
[13:12] <dholbach> balloons, the doc I mentioned in the mail has all the session ideas I came up with
[13:13] <dholbach> as everyone is busy getting the release together I'm not at a point where everything is confirmed yet
[13:14] <balloons> dholbach, no worries, just wanted to see what the status was
[13:32] <mhall119> dholbach: at least one of your proposes sessions matches one of mine, so I'll get that on the convergence track
[13:34] <dpm> mhall119, balloons, having spoken with asac this morning, it seems that the snappy sessions schedule will be done after release, i.e. on Friday. Everyone in the snappy team is busy with the release atm
[13:39] <mhall119> dpm: ack, thanks
[13:39] <balloons> ack
[14:17] <jcastro> mhall119, I have some "maybe" sessions I'm going to leave in the sidebar for now if that's ok
[14:18] <jcastro> jose, what do you think: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/cloud/
[14:20] <mhall119> jcastro: it's your track, whatever you want to do with it is okay by me
[14:20]  * jcastro nods
[14:23] <jcastro> mhall119, most of my descriptions are empty but I will fill those out in malta when I have everyoen together to describe their sessions
[14:23] <jcastro> mhall119, other than that, we're basically done
[14:24] <mhall119> \o/
[14:24] <mhall119> cloud guys rocking UOS as usual
[14:24] <jcastro> <3
[15:19] <popey> mhall119: are you able to setup the hangout?
[15:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:33] <mhall119> sure
[15:35] <mhall119> dammit, google changed the interface *again*
[15:38] <mhall119> popey: scheduled and updated ubuntuonair.com
[15:38] <mhall119> popey: can you start and host it? you've got more reliable internet than me today
[15:40] <popey> argh
[15:40] <mhall119> argh?
[15:40] <mhall119> jcastro: did your juju office hours thing work last week? your youtube link was bad
[15:43] <popey> everything falling apart around me
[15:44] <popey> mhall119: i had to reset my browser so I am missing the credentials
[15:46] <mhall119> ok, I'll need to plug in
[15:46] <popey> mhall119: found it.. logging in
[15:46] <popey> you created the event?
[15:49] <mhall119> yes
[15:49] <mhall119> popey: https://plus.google.com/u/1/events/cqpiu545t421ov0j2bejrvjckio
[15:49] <popey> ok, so I'll start it then?
[15:49] <popey> (I found the credentials)
[15:50] <mhall119> sounds good, I'm getting my laptop ready
[15:50] <popey> ok.
[15:51] <mhall119> popey: PM me the hangout link when you have it
[15:52] <popey> done


[00:26] <_stink_> we need a t-shirt with an angry face saying "FORK IT"
[00:26] <_stink_> but i can't decide whose face it should be
[00:29] <rick_h__> I'd buy one that has the "all the things" meme in it
[00:29] <rick_h__> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3560z9/
[00:34] <snap-l> Hah!
[00:34] <snap-l> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049B3YQI/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=decafbadnet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B0049B3YQI&adid=0WX6Z4RWD774NABSMFX0&
[00:34] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MofYoqZzXDw
[00:34] <snap-l> It's like a workout for drummers. ;)
[00:35] <rick_h__> nice
[00:37] <snap-l> yeah, I was looking to get a practice pad anyway. Might as well get some sticks and a DVD to go with it. ;)
[00:59] <snap-l> Wow, just freaked myself out. Managed to drop the laptop from a height
[00:59] <snap-l> At least it appears to be working. :)
[01:00] <snap-l> panic
[01:01] <snap-l> Although I think I left it suspended from WEdnesday, because the battery is deader than a doornail
[01:43] <_stink_> you suspended it from Wednesday?  no wonder it fell
[01:43] <_stink_> (hi-hat please)
[01:43] <snap-l> Um, yeah
[01:43] <snap-l> total causality.
[02:16] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/35kdrz-604x406.jpg
[15:23] <snap-l> Gid moaning.
[16:58] <wolfger2> whassup?
[17:15] <snap-l> Not much
[17:15] <snap-l> Just getting ready to go shopping
[17:16] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/12/2011-music-wrap-up-and-mixtape-107/ <- Watching / listening to this
[17:17] <rick_h__> ugh, back from shopping.
[17:17] <snap-l> rick_h__: wb
[17:17] <rick_h__> now to see how much hacking can be done during nap time
[17:19] <snap-l> finding I'm not going to be making it all through this mixtape
[17:20] <wolfger2> why not?
[17:21] <wolfger2> Installation's done. Time to reboot. BRB
[17:22] <snap-l> Wolfger: too concentrated of a specific form of music. :)
[19:31] <wolfger_> Using Rekonq as my browser and... not hating it!
[19:33] <wolfger_> browser open, twitter client open, irc client open, konsole open, and <700 MB of RAM used. I'm starting to think KDE's always gotten a bad rap about being a resource hog due to 3rd-party apps. :-p
[19:58] <jrwren> snap-l: where is your new job?
[20:28] <brousch> jrwren: remember where rick_h__ used to work?
[20:29] <brousch> Wolfger: my biggest ram hog in KDE is digikam
[20:29] <brousch> 1.7GB
[21:09] <rick_h__> good grief, my whole system is 1.6 and that's with multiple chrome and firefox running
[21:11] <brousch> so fire up your favorite photo management suite with 56,000 photos and see what happens ;)
[21:12]  * rick_h__ hits # ls -al **/*
[21:12] <rick_h__> done :P
[21:32] <snap-l> Howdy
[21:32] <snap-l> back from Great Lakes Crossing
[21:32] <snap-l> or as I call it, hell in the round.
[21:41] <brousch> snap-l: big day tomorrow?
[21:56] <snap-l> brousch: Yep
[21:57] <snap-l> This is when I really find out what rick_h__ did
[21:58] <snap-l> ;)
[22:03] <rick_h__> hah
[22:03] <rick_h__> "oh...he made a big deal out of *that*?"
[22:29] <greg-g> rick_h_droid: har har (re ls -al **/*)
[22:29] <rick_h_droid> greg-g :)


[11:06] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +1514 cases (now 775027), +38 deaths (now 11972) since 22 hours ago
[19:46] <pavlushka> %cases Bangladesh
[19:46] <Brainstorm> pavlushka: In Bangladesh, there have been 775027 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 11972 deaths (1.5% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 5.6 million tests were performed (13.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Bangladesh for time series data.
[19:46] <u-la-la> [ COVID-19 Interactive Infection Graph ] - offloop.net
[19:46] <pavlushka> so not worked
[19:50] <pavlushka> .block add nick Brainstorm
[19:50] <pavlushka> %cases India
[19:50] <Brainstorm> pavlushka: In India, there have been 22.6 million confirmed cases (1.7% of the population) and 245887 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 303.8 million tests were performed (7.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.
[19:50] <u-la-la> [ COVID-19 Interactive Infection Graph ] - offloop.net
[19:50] <pavlushka> .blocks add nick Brainstorm
[19:50] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Successfully added block: Brainstorm
[19:51] <pavlushka> %cases India
[19:51] <Brainstorm> pavlushka: In India, there have been 22.6 million confirmed cases (1.7% of the population) and 245887 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 303.8 million tests were performed (7.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.


[12:35] <BUGabundo> guys
[12:35] <BUGabundo> can anyone take a quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powertop/+bug/326142
[12:35] <BUGabundo> ?
[12:35] <ubot3> Malone bug 326142 in powertop "FATAL: Module cpufreq_stats not found." [Undecided,New]
[12:35] <BUGabundo> just trying to be sure, if it was simply removed from the kernel loaded modules
[14:41] <henrik-hw0> rtg: got a minute?
[16:31] <Keybuk> *sigh*
[16:31] <Keybuk> nowhere can I find code to write the system clock back to the hardware clock
[16:31] <Keybuk> there's a patch on lkml, but only for NTP
[16:37] <soren> Keybuk: I thought hwclock did that?
[16:37] <Keybuk> it does, if you remember to run it
[16:38] <Keybuk> it seems to be one of those things that the kernel doesn't do "just because"
[16:38] <soren> Ah, clever.
[16:38] <Keybuk> to counter-point, the kernel _does_ set the system block from the hardware clock
[16:38] <Keybuk> and does maintain the system clock across a suspend/resume
[16:39] <maxb> Keybuk: What about this bit? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v<IP_ADDRESS>/kernel/time/ntp.c#L224
[16:48] <Keybuk> that's NTP-specific
[16:50] <Keybuk> unless I'm reading this wrong
[16:50] <elmo> doesn't the kernel use NTP internally?
[16:50] <elmo> at least, I thought I recall discussions about heading in that direction, but I may be on crack
[16:51] <Keybuk> how does it get to the NTP servers?
[16:53] <Keybuk> kernel/time/ntp.c seems to be simply the implementation of adjtimex()
[21:12] <maxb> Hi, is the deprecation of /proc/bus/usb documented anywhere in the upstream kernel?


[01:00] <pleia2> today got away from me, I'll release when I get home
[01:00] <pleia2> boo office days :)
[02:55] <pleia2> jose: I got stuck in mt view, you should release if you can :)
[02:55] <pleia2> jose: do email first, I can approve it quickly
[02:55]  * pleia2 has about 10 minutes here
[02:55] <jose> pleia2: no worries, doing it now
[02:56]  * jose runs and grabs all links
[02:56] <pleia2> thanks!
[02:56] <pleia2> I can run the scripts if you need, just lmk
[03:03] <jose> about to send the emails
[03:04] <pleia2> great
[03:06] <jose> hmm, I'm having some probs with scp
[03:07] <pleia2> boo :\
[03:07] <jose> second
[03:09] <pleia2> I have dinner reservations a couple streets away in 6 minutes :)
[03:09] <jose> whoops
[03:09] <jose> nope, I have no idea on what to do right now
[03:10] <pleia2> I'll update g+, forums and discourse later tonight
[03:10]  * pleia2 skips off
[03:23] <jose> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue357
[03:50] <jose> we just need forums :)
[06:37] <pleia2> ok, all updated


[03:07] <Ionic> uh... uhm... can't I force a repo to sync any longer?
[03:07] <Ionic> https://code.launchpad.net/~x2go/x2go/+git/nx-libs the import button seems to be gone
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Ionic: "The next import is scheduled to run as soon as possible."
[03:09] <tsimonq2> So it's queued.
[03:09] <Ionic> hum
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Once it's ran, the button should come back.
[03:09] <Ionic> okay
[03:09] <Ionic> but it looks like all git-type repos are queued up but never imported so far
[03:09] <Ionic> https://code.launchpad.net/~x2go/x2go/+git/x2goserver < 16 hours ago
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Hum.
[03:10] <Ionic> another one 15 hours ago
[03:10] <Ionic> https://code.launchpad.net/~x2go/x2go/+git/x2goclient
[03:10] <Ionic> etc
[03:10] <Ionic> they all seem to be stuck
[03:10] <tsimonq2> wgrant, cjwatson: Y'all doing maintenance or is this unintentional?
[03:10] <Ionic> let me check bazaar branches quickly
[03:10] <Ionic> these are syncing fine it seems
[03:12] <Ionic> just checked one bzr copy, but that one was last updated 10 minutes ago which is sane (and I could theoretically also request an import for it, since the last sync is finished, you're right)
[03:13] <Ionic> hm, this git-type one was updated successfully three hours ago: https://code.launchpad.net/~x2go/x2go/+git/python-wsgilog
[03:13] <Ionic> all the others seem to have been gotten stuck 14-16 hours ago
[03:14] <Ionic> well minus a few hours since the periodic polling waits a while
[04:09] <wgrant> Ionic, tsimonq2: The main code import mahcine (pear) has died, so we're relying on a very old one atm and there's a big backlog. We'll hopefully have a replacement for pear up early next week.
[04:09] <tsimonq2> wgrant: Thanks for telling us. Is there anywhere we can watch the queue or is it just "wait"?
[04:12] <wgrant> tsimonq2: There's no public view of the queue. But each import is being updated about once a day at the moment.
[04:12] <tsimonq2> wgrant: OK.
[04:13] <tsimonq2> wgrant: Could you (or someone else) say something here when we're back to better machines?
[04:14] <wgrant> Sure
[04:14] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[04:18] <Ionic> wgrant: okay, thanks
[21:49] <jelmer> Bazaar operations on Launchpad seem to have really slowed down recently
[22:34] <cjwatson> jelmer: I have a suspicion that the Twisted upgrade wasn't quite the sweet spot for that that I thought it was; still working on upgrading past 16.5.0


[00:01] <owh> Am I correct in my understanding that the OpenDay is aimed at developers rather than users?
[00:01] <nxvl> owh: there are a lot of users that don't really matter
[00:01] <nxvl> yes
[00:01] <nxvl> it's aimed for user that want to know more to become developers
[00:02] <nxvl> i started contributing on the last OpenWeek
[00:02] <nxvl> for developers we have
[00:02] <nxvl> DeveloperWeek
[00:02] <owh> nxvl: Well, I'm not sure if I just say a language blip when you wrote: "a lot of users that don't really matter" - are you talking about them as users, or as users becoming developers?
[00:02] <nxvl> but they are quite the same
[00:02] <nxvl> they should be more differenced
[00:02] <owh> s/say/saw/
[00:03] <nxvl> i mean
[00:03] <nxvl> there are a lot of users (most of them)
[00:03] <nxvl> who doesn't care
[00:04] <nxvl> they just want a system that works
[00:04] <nxvl> who made it, and how, that's not their problem
[00:04] <owh> Sure.
[00:04] <owh> But how do you get one of those to care?
[00:05] <owh> How do you get one of those to tell others about Ubuntu?
[00:05] <owh> How do you get one of those to lodge bug reports?
[00:05] <owh> How do you help one of those users?
[00:05] <owh> Do you see what I mean?
[00:06] <nxvl> that's why the LoCo team exists
[00:06] <nxvl> :D
[00:06] <nxvl> that's what we do here in peru
[00:06] <nxvl> and i think other do also
[00:06] <nxvl> i need to go
[00:06] <nxvl> bbl
[00:06] <owh> And that's why there is an OpenWeek.
[00:06] <owh> Cool, later nxvl.
[00:07] <kgoetz> morning all
[00:08] <owh> It's OK for some :)
[00:08] <owh> afk
[00:11] <kgoetz> hehe
[00:54] <m1r> i am trying to setup PXE install server, but when i try instsall netkit-inetd i get this options: Package netkit-inetd is a virtual package provided by:
[00:54] <m1r>   inetutils-inetd 2:1.5.dfsg.1-4
[00:54] <m1r>   openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6
[00:54] <m1r> which one should i chose to install
[01:23] <foo> Nothing has been deleted, and if you upgrade, they'll all come back unharmed.
[01:23] <foo> whoops
[01:31] <Centaur5> m1r: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=644256
[01:45]  * faulkes- sighs
[01:45] <faulkes-> croy what a long day
[01:45] <kgoetz> not a happy one?
[01:58] <zul> mlr: openbsd
[02:01] <faulkes-> kgoetz: long, frustrating and filled with hackery of the worst kind
[02:02] <faulkes-> dealing with servers which are in production, but have been unmanaged for two years
[02:02] <faulkes-> so attempting to do *new* stuff on them, well, I'm sure you understand
[02:02] <faulkes-> and I don't have all the gear I need to do replace them as of yet
[02:03] <faulkes-> at least my routers arrived so I can bring up the customer on time
[02:08] <kgoetz> faulkes-: yes, i do entirely understand
[02:09] <kgoetz> like the RHEL 3/4 systems i got given before this job and told 'they dont work, but all our dev/testing/prod is hosted on them'
[02:10] <kgoetz> sorry for the lag - i was being instructed on perl
[02:12] <faulkes-> another part of my problem today, perl, dbi, stored procedures on a centos 4.4 box with no upgrade path and no rpm's available which fix the problem, short of rewriting the .spec file and building it from source
[02:12] <faulkes-> even cpan dies building it
[02:13] <kgoetz> cpan is typically ... resilient. you must be hurting it badly
[02:13] <faulkes-> I will tell you our fix and you will realize the depth we had to go to
[02:14] <faulkes-> system("wget https://host/path/fix.php&var1=$var&var2=$var");
[02:14] <faulkes-> because php properly executed the stored procedure
[02:14] <kgoetz> :| oh my owch.
[02:14] <faulkes-> I work with java developers, the initial thought they had, was to write the fix, in java
[02:15] <faulkes-> and as much fun as I would have incurring a 256mb startup cost to execute one line of a stored procedure
[02:16] <faulkes-> it's a hack, it will go away when I get current boxes that will be maintained in there
[02:16] <kgoetz> thats a hack worth treasuring
[02:16] <faulkes-> still, ugly as sin and ninjaba put together
[02:16] <kgoetz> just for the ability to force some work experiance kid to work with it later
[02:17] <faulkes-> heh
[02:19] <faulkes-> however, that was just the last part of the day, the rest of it was backups failing, having no IT person 3k miles away at the main office to support people there
[02:19] <faulkes-> the network being flaky as hell, customs & fedex holding on to half the new gear because they didn't like the paperwork
[02:20] <faulkes-> it's been such a fun day
[02:20] <kgoetz> mmm. a day to avoid.
[02:20] <faulkes-> and people wonder why I'm a bitter, single, alcoholic^H^H^H
[02:20] <kgoetz> our Galaxy getting held by customs was a bit like that
[02:20] <faulkes-> I mean ;)
[02:21] <kgoetz> *grin*
[02:21] <kgoetz> i expect most admins understand why your a gentle, understanding shepheard
[02:21] <kgoetz> :p
[02:21] <kgoetz> *sp
[02:22] <PanzerMKZ> Galaxy?
[02:22] <faulkes-> Panzer: kgoetz is a vogon
[02:22] <faulkes-> you should hear some of his poetry
[02:22] <kgoetz> aiui codename for an product we are working on.
[02:22] <kgoetz> hehe
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[02:23] <kgoetz> i think i'm allowed to use the codename .... >.<
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> nm
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> don't read the poetry to me
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> and I will not ask again
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> good thing all my projects are used servers and cheap freebie switches
[02:24] <kgoetz> but its really nice... honest!
[02:24] <PanzerMKZ> yea right
[02:24] <PanzerMKZ> no vogalality for me
[02:30] <faulkes-> oh well, tomorrow should be quieter, I'm going to go and label everything because nothing is labelled
[02:32] <kgoetz> nothign to label around here, the reception/office person labeled *everything*
[02:32] <PanzerMKZ> oh how horrible. tomorrow is apt-mirror day
[02:32] <kgoetz> we labeled all the stuff on her desk to take the piss
[02:32] <kgoetz> PanzerMKZ: hm?
[02:34] <PanzerMKZ> I am starting on a local apt get mirror
[02:34] <PanzerMKZ> and tomorrow I build the server for it
[02:35] <kgoetz> not that hard surely $(lots of disc+a cpu+some ram)
[02:35] <kgoetz> :)
[02:36] <PanzerMKZ> you have not been to the shop have you.
[02:37] <PanzerMKZ> cpu and ram are p1's and 32meg dimms
[02:37] <PanzerMKZ> just started my own computer repair place
[02:37] <kgoetz> no, i havent gone computer shopping in any serious way for years
[02:38] <PanzerMKZ> Yea I got a funny collection of dual p2's and dual xeons
[02:38] <PanzerMKZ> but nothing to major and very useful
[02:39] <kgoetz> teh xeons shoul be ok
[02:39] <PanzerMKZ> well yea
[02:40] <PanzerMKZ> there is a use for them once I get that board and procs up and running
[02:41] <PanzerMKZ> I compile blender daily
[02:41] <PanzerMKZ> so it would be good to use that
[02:43] <kgoetz> i'm going to head to itshare this arvo. wonder how many C64's they've stripped since iw as there last :(
[02:46] <PanzerMKZ> oh yea I plan to add a pxe boot server there in the mix
[02:47] <kgoetz> depending on how many systems you want to boot at once taht only neds a p2
[02:47] <kgoetz> with an optional gige nick in it *grin*
[02:48] <PanzerMKZ> yea
[02:53] <LeChacal> if i want my apache server to look for my sites root not at "/var/www/" but at "/var/www/foo/" and i am not running virtual host just one site on one IP address where would i go to change something like that. the closest i have found was if i was using virtual host and had multiply sites on the same IP address it looked like i could make each site have its root in another folder inside of "/var/www"
[02:54] <kgoetz> LeChacal: change apaches default vhosts root
[02:54] <kgoetz> in /etc/apache[2]/sites-available/default
[02:56] <LeChacal> kgoetz: that was the file i was looking at but wasnt sure if i wanted to change that thank you for confirm my thoughts
[02:57] <kgoetz> LeChacal: no worries
[04:49] <mactimes> Hi.  I've just set up Ubuntu Server using RAID1 for all partitions (including swap space) on a VM.  I'm running tests prior to installation on a production server.
[04:49] <mactimes> I tried removing one of the discs to see if things would work fine, but it seems to get jammed.
[04:49] <mactimes> Could someone, please help?
[06:09] <kgoetz> mactimes: "got jammed"
[06:09] <kgoetz> ?
[06:10] <mactimes> kgoetz: Doesn't even show grub.
[06:11] <kgoetz> mactimes: did you make sure the MBR is mirrored?
[06:11] <mactimes> kgoetz: No, how do I do it?
[06:17] <kgoetz> mactimes: i'm not sure, sorry
[06:17] <kgoetz> dd might work
[06:18] <mactimes> Well, since I've set up all partitions as mirrored, I thought this would be done for both disks...
[06:24] <mactimes> Nevermind though, I removed the virtual machine and I'm installing a new one with debian to see if it has the same behavior.
[08:59] <kraut> moin
[11:00]  * faulkes- yawns
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> evening mate :)
[11:08] <faulkes-> morning
[14:54] <m11> hello
[14:56] <m11> i have problem with PXE install server. 2nd pc is starting installer but then it ask ne for online archive. can i set it somehow to be installed from local PC ?
[15:18] <\sh> m11, you need the package archive which is on the installer cd of server/desktop whatever, which means, you need to setup a webserver for this
[15:19] <\sh> or an nfs server which exports this archive dir to the pxe clients...or whatever it needs to get this archive accessed and is supported by d-i
[15:22] <m11> \sh , is webserver needed for this process ?
[15:22] <m11> _ah, sry, NFS server
[15:23] <m11> \sh , tnx, i go check what master google says on it
[15:26] <sommer> mdke: is it possible for me to correct this bug #215025
[15:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215025 in ubuntu-doc "server guide / mail filtering error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215025
[15:26] <sommer> woops, wrong channel... and console doh
[18:05] <nxvl> mathiaz: did elmo already give you the information about Bug #189616?
[18:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189616 in dovecot "connection problems under load with hardy dovecot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189616
[18:08] <mathiaz> nxvl: not yet - I haven't had a chance to talk to him today
[18:08] <nxvl> ok i will
[18:15] <Folke> Hi, Perhaps I a to late to report in results of gutsy on DL360 and DL380? Beq I don't find the templates in the list any longer?
[18:16] <Folke> Ah, oh.. I found it..
[18:23] <mathiaz> Folke: don't hesitate to test Hardy Beta if you can  ;)
[18:23] <Folke> Hi, I planned to install it on two servers here at work tonight. And report in the result in the wiki.
[18:24] <Folke> I have planned to do this earlier but work stuff came in between. :(
[18:24] <pr0le> does the Debian Proliant Service Pack work just fine for ubuntu?
[18:25] <Folke> Dunno really. We do use ubuntu on our virtual servers, but debian still on our physical ones. But I can try to install them tonight.
[18:26] <pr0le> Folke: are you using xen?
[18:27] <Folke> I used to, but are using vmware esx nowdays.
[18:27] <Folke> Xen was faster with linux native. But we use alot of Windows servers here.
[18:27] <pr0le> cool.  just curious.
[18:29] <Folke> And one thing that made us move over from debian to ubuntu was the support from vmware on ubuntu.
[18:29] <pr0le> the nonprofit I work for is considering virtualization for our small hosting server, and I'm not sure how to go about it yet
[18:30] <Folke> Ah, with Xen you get power and control at your fingertips I think. But then if you hand over to someone that is used to "right click" on stuff things can be hairy :)
[18:31] <pr0le> yeah, definitely.  I've played with ESX at my day job, and it's certainly easy to manage, but the nonprofit certainly doesn't have the budget for it
[18:31] <Folke> But now when KVM is maintained in ubuntu kernel that might be a nice alternative.. Never tried it out thou.
[18:31] <Folke> We are using almost our whole serverpark in vmware now.
[18:33] <pr0le> right now I'm thinking of xen and then openvz, but openvz support for ubuntu doesn't seem great
[18:34] <Folke> openvz, never heard that. Is it like xen? googling atm :)
[18:35] <pr0le> it's containers, ie. VPS
[18:35] <Folke> Ah, a parralells supported project.
[18:36] <Folke> We have some mac's that runs parllels desktop here..
[18:36] <pr0le> I'm thinking xen for live migration and then openvz for running different versions of PHP on different sites
[18:37] <pr0le> yeah, I've got ubuntu installed on parallels desktop on my Mac, but I don't have enough memory to make it very usable
[18:38] <Folke> Oh, so you can have many containers that runs different versions on the same server with openvz? Without "installing" multiple servers?
[18:39] <pr0le> that's the way I understand it... little chroots
[18:39] <pr0le> one kernel
[18:39] <Folke> that sounds really like a nice feature.
[18:40] <pr0le> yeah, and I know there are people with that set up, but I've got a lot to learn if I want to implement it :)
[18:45] <Folke> One thing that I really would like to learn is sumfink like cfengine or another good config system. But there seem never to be enough time for that..
[18:46] <zul> Folke: then you might want to look at puppet
[18:47] <Folke> zul: I've read about it, do you use it?
[18:47] <zul> Folke: no I dont but I have heard good things about it
[18:48] <Folke> zul: That is newer than cfengine isn't it? That would be great if there was some preferred way in ubuntu to go :)
[18:49] <zul> Folke: well there is landscape from canonical as well
[18:51] <Folke> zul: Is that somthing that canonical hosts, and the servers are reporting to them? (knows to little..me)
[18:51] <blueyed> linux-server triggers the nvidia black window bug for me. Is this a bug with package "linux" or "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24"? The different kernel config settings should be this: http://pastebin.com/m89666bc
[18:51] <zul> Folke: I dont know much about it
[18:52] <blueyed> (no problems with -generic)
[18:52] <zul> blueyed: you might want to talk to the kernel guys then
[18:53] <blueyed> zul: woops.. I've meant to.. sry
[19:04] <Folke> Well, time to in to the server-room and try out the new hardy beta :)
[19:20] <n6rej> morning guys, I think 'm having a problem with postfix... I try to log onto my lan mailserver and it says plaintext not authorized
[19:34] <Folke> Humm, trying to install hardy on a HP dl360g4p. And it seems like it has locked itself on cleaning up.. Can't switch console tty..
[19:36] <Folke> Ah, no more numlock on the server.. doi.. I wonder if it is beq the qlogic hba installed on it?
[19:50] <Folke> Humm, thats a nogo again.. Died on me again on libisccfg30.. I will try to reinstall it with 7.10.
[20:07] <Folke> Is there anyway to see what repository is used when installing? I think that one here in sweden is having trouble today..
[20:18] <Nafallo> Folke: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:20] <Folke> Nafallo: Tnx, but when installing hardy beta i get a hang on the dl360gp4. So I found that one repo here in sweden has problems. I tried an install with Debian etch on the same hw and it worked when i choose another repo.. But in hardy it selects repo autmagically.
[20:21] <Folke> eh, I meant dl360g4p.. sry
[20:22] <Nafallo> Folke: is this se.archive.ubuntu.com?
[20:22] <Nafallo> and well. Ubuntu Hardy and Debian Etch is pretty far apart :-)
[20:23] <Nafallo> could you try to force it to use gb.archive.ubuntu.com for example?
[20:23] <Folke> Yes, but I should try it out for the ServerTeam and send in the result.. But I didn't get so far :)
[20:25] <Folke> Nafallo: Yes, it is se.archive.ubuntu.com.. And I guess that it is the same network as ftp.se.debian.org that borked too..
[20:26] <Nafallo> Folke: hmm. it is.
[20:26] <Folke> When using the "standard" install it selects repo on basis on country settings?
[20:27] <Nafallo> Folke: I've told the admin, but he seems to be idle at the moment.
[20:29] <Folke> Nafallo: Ah, thanx! I have found another strange thing. I don't know if it is general bug or only problem with my hw. The install console F4 is only full of garble. lots of trash signs..
[20:42] <peterdv> Folke: Not general, I did a fresh (basic) install 5 hours ago based on dk.archive.ubuntu.com without problems.
[20:43] <Folke> peterdv: I am now trying to install with finland country settings and see what happens.
[20:45] <Folke> peterdv: Did you try to check the other consoles when you installed? Like tty4 / 5? I see only alot of trash text there. So I cannot see what goes right / wrong
[20:47] <peterdv> Folke: Sorry no. My install proceeded as usual, no custom fiddeling was needed in my case, so I just stayed in the console.
[20:49] <Folke> Humm, now it stopped on "rebooting into your new system".  I'm going to try another server tomorrow.
[21:14] <spmccann> i'm looking for some advice from the gurus
[21:15] <spmccann> i need to backup a linux server, 20 or so windoes pcs and a couple of macs
[21:15] <spmccann> i need the solituin to support an autochanger for offsiter tape storage
[21:15] <spmccann> any recommendations
[21:17] <sommer> spmccann: bacula should probably work for what your looking for
[21:17] <_CitizenKane_> has anyone set up openvpn for a roadwarrior scenario?  was it straightforward or hard?  are there better options?
[21:17] <spmccann> thanks sommer
[21:17] <spmccann> have you used it yourself
[21:19] <sommer> I've tested it, but haven't used it in production... there a those that do though :)
[21:19] <spmccann> ok, was their a reason for not using it in production !
[21:19] <sommer> don't have a tape drive, and the backup shell scipts I use work find so far
[21:19] <sommer> er fine
[21:20] <spmccann> ok cool
[21:20] <spmccann> i'm tryingh to put somethink low maintaince in place
[21:21] <spmccann> i'm doing some voleenteer work so the org I'm doing it for isn't cash rich
[21:21] <sommer> I think it's pretty low maintanence... at least after you've got every thing configured... heh
[21:22] <sommer> for a small number of machines it probably wouldn't be worth it, but with the number you're talking about and the multiple platforms, it probably is
[21:23] <spmccann> yep the old multiuplatform support issues
[21:24] <spmccann> the macs are a real kicker, but you know designers, it will be a cold day in hell b4 they give them up
[21:26] <LeChacal> i am trying to set up a web and mail server on the same box that has two NICs and in /etc/network/interface i have everything set up with one IP per card. my question is when i point my browser to either of the two IPs they both go to the web site, is that a setting that I need to change or is that in the DNS and i need to contact my ISP to have them change it in their DNS? I dont have the mail part set up yet just apache.
[21:28] <sommer> LeChacal: try adjusting the <VirtualHost *> at the begining of /etc/apache2/sites-available/default... change it to <VirtualHost IP_ADDRESS:80>
[21:32] <LeChacal> sommer: ok i changed that now i am guess that i also want to change "NameVirtualHost" is that my domain name or is that just a name for the virtual host?
[21:33] <sommer> LeChacal: I set it to the domain name of the site
[21:34] <sommer> so yes :)
[21:35] <LeChacal> sommer: thank you that worked
[21:35] <sommer> np
[21:39] <LeChacal> i am new to setting up a server but not new to Linux is there any good resources about setting up a server that would be good to read? i have read the things on the ubuntu site and parts of the apache documentation. Specifically web and mail servers.
[21:41] <sommer> LeChacal: I'm kind of fond of: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[21:41] <sommer> that's the hardy guide so if you're using gutsy see: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/
[21:44] <LeChacal> i am using dapper
[21:44] <LeChacal> but i can find its
[21:44] <LeChacal> add: page
[23:59] <n6rej> can anyone please help me get my mail working properly?  I followed the directions but I can't access my mail from the lan and telnet doesn't work properly either.