[00:18] <Keybuk> huh
[00:18] <Keybuk> I just realised how something combines nicely to make "manual" mode easy
[00:19] <Keybuk> echo manual >> /etc/init-override/something.conf ;-)
[00:37] <Keybuk> wow
[00:37] <Keybuk> so, err
[00:37] <Keybuk> really
[00:37] <Keybuk> ion: we *really* don't need udev
[00:47] <ion> Nice
[01:40]  * Keybuk blames Caesar
[02:38] <Caesar> You what?
[02:38] <Caesar> Oh that
[02:38] <Caesar> /etc/default for evar!
[02:38] <Caesar> Hmm, /etc/init-override, do you really need to take another directory in /etc for this?
[02:39] <Caesar> Can't you have it in /etc/init?
[02:40] <Keybuk> /etc/init is where normal configs go
[02:40] <Keybuk> maybe /etc/init/apache.override ?
[06:48] <Caesar> Yeah, that sounds reasonable
[07:01] <Keybuk> .conf
[07:01] <Keybuk> .custom
[07:01] <Keybuk> ;-)
[07:03] <ion> /lib/init, /etc/init ;-)
[07:05] <ion> (Yeah, i see major reasons for that not to be desirable unless /etc/init provides a syntax to make any arbitrary changes to what /lib/init says.)
[07:09] <Keybuk> /Library/Init/Daemons
[07:09] <Keybuk> /System/Library/Init/Agents
[07:09] <ion> Hah
[07:10] <Keybuk> can't remember the third one off hand
[07:10] <Keybuk> it's Daemons, Agents and something else
[07:10] <ion> Does MacOSX have a case-insensitive filesystem?
[07:10] <Keybuk> case sensitive iirc
[07:10] <ion> In that case, the capital letters are insane. :-P
[07:11] <Keybuk> no more insane than lower case letters ?
[07:11] <Keybuk> it's quite justifiable in fact
[07:12] <Keybuk> same justification for "Makefile" etc.
[07:12] <Keybuk> /S<tab> gives you something systemy, not a file or other directory
[07:15] <ion> /v/l/d/i<tab> expands to /var/lib/dpkg/info. I’d personally find having to type /V/L/D/I<tab> instead just annoying. :-) The shell can be made to do a case-insensitive match, of course, but i’d find a case-insensitive filesystem a nicer solution.
[07:19] <Keybuk> zsh is the default shell in OS X isn't it?
[07:21] <ion> Dunno
[07:24] <Keybuk> haraldh: hey
[07:24] <haraldh> moin
[07:24] <Keybuk> how goes?
[07:24] <haraldh> fine :)
[07:24] <haraldh> and for you?
[07:25] <haraldh> will you adopt dracut?
[07:26] <ion> Will you adopt update-initramfs? ;-)
[07:26] <haraldh> :)
[07:26] <haraldh> hmmm... no
[07:27] <haraldh> maybe assimilate :)
[07:27] <Keybuk> haraldh: I would have thought dracut would be based on systemd now?
[07:27] <ion> I’m actually ignorant about their differences. For all i know, dracut may be amazingly better.
[07:28] <haraldh> ion, "better" is maybe not the right word
[07:28] <haraldh> more flexible maybe
[07:28] <haraldh> Keybuk, no
[07:28] <haraldh> Keybuk, will not happen
[07:29] <haraldh> not in the near future
[07:30] <haraldh> Keybuk, so, I guess you are well informed about systemd :)
[07:32] <Keybuk> I know it exists ;-)
[07:32] <haraldh> but haven't seen the code yet?
[07:33] <Keybuk> ing-commander systemd% ls
[07:33] <Keybuk> 99-systemd.rules  device.h                       ratelimit.h
[07:33] <Keybuk> CODING_STYLE      execute.c                      securebits.h
[07:33] <Keybuk> LICENSE           execute.h                      service.c
[07:33] <Keybuk> Makefile.am       fdset.c                        service.h
[07:33] <Keybuk> ...
[07:33] <Keybuk> ;-)
[07:33] <haraldh> :)
[07:33] <haraldh> and what are your feelings about it?
[07:34] <Keybuk> you mean aside from the fact it's basically launchd?
[07:34] <haraldh> yes
[07:35] <Keybuk> none really
[07:35] <Keybuk> it's a different approach, I think Lennart is wrong for a number of reasons, but I don't have any resentment over him working on it
[07:35] <haraldh> ok
[07:36] <haraldh> because he was worried about it
[07:36] <Keybuk> if he was worried, he would have talked to me about it early on ;)
[07:36] <haraldh> well he did sort of
[07:37] <haraldh> tried to talk you into implementing cgroups and stuff
[07:37] <Keybuk> yeah, and I told him what's wrong with them - and he didn't listen :p
[07:37] <Keybuk> but *shrug* Lennart ;P
[07:37] <haraldh> :-)
[07:38] <Keybuk> I think Fedora people have more cause to have feelings than me
[07:38] <haraldh> I hope not .)
[07:39] <Keybuk> from my POV, I have guaranteed Upstart users in the form of Ubuntu
[07:39] <Keybuk> so even if none of the other distros used it, I could still entertain myself maintaining it
[07:40] <Keybuk> as long as I thought I was right, that is :p
[07:40] <haraldh> true
[07:40] <haraldh> use what works for you
[07:40] <haraldh> that's my credo
[07:41] <Keybuk> but I think Lennart is in for more of a struggle there than he raelises
[07:41] <Keybuk> it's taken four years to get Upstart into other distributions
[07:41] <Keybuk> and it had to be proven rock solid stable
[07:42] <Keybuk> he's facing quite an uphill battle ;)
[07:42] <haraldh> true
[07:43] <Keybuk> anyway, yeah
[07:43] <Keybuk> I'm quite froody about the whole thing ;)
[07:43] <Keybuk> I've known about it since November
[07:43] <Keybuk> so it's not exactly a surprise, though the timing was awkward - as want to make sure we get a positive response out straight after he announces to avoid any community member mudslinging
[07:44] <Keybuk> on dracut
[07:44] <Keybuk> I don't think I'll have time to do anything about it this cycle
[07:44] <haraldh> kk
[07:45] <Keybuk> I'd still like to talk to you about it though, as been thinking about what you said at Plumbers, and increasingly think that the right way to go is going to be to include init itself in the initramfs - and pass state into the full system
[07:48] <haraldh> hmm
[07:48] <ion> I concur
[07:48] <haraldh> me2
[07:51] <ion> Having a completely different ‘init’ based on whether we have a / mounted yet would seem quite arbitrary in hindsight at the point there’s an init implementation that can handle the switch.
[07:52] <ion> And completely different ways of getting network up and partitions – root or not – mounted.
[07:59] <Keybuk> right, they'd become the same
[07:59] <Keybuk> and if my hunch is correct that we don't need udevd anymroe
[07:59] <Keybuk> it makes the initramfs really simple
[07:59] <ion> Indeed
[08:02] <Md> how would you load drivers without udevd?
[08:02] <Keybuk> Md: so, I was drawing a diagram of the plumbing layer
[08:02] <Keybuk> explaining what each bit did
[08:02] <haraldh> and identify raid signatures?
[08:02] <Keybuk> and I realised I'd missed udevd off
[08:02] <Keybuk> and it still worked
[08:03] <Keybuk> think about it, what does udevd actually *do*
[08:04] <Keybuk> it doesn't make device nodes anymore, those are made by the kernel
[08:04] <Keybuk> it (mostly) doesn't do permissions anymore, those are done by the ConsoleKit ACL helper
[08:04] <Keybuk> it doesn't directly talk to apps, apps just listen on the netlink socket
[08:05] <Keybuk> and we have two daemons (init & udevd) listening on the netlink socket and running stuff
[08:05] <haraldh> well udevd broadcasts on the netlink socket
[08:05] <haraldh> giving more infos about devices
[08:05] <Keybuk> sure, but that info is already in the db
[08:06] <Keybuk> so an app using libudev has it anyway
[08:06] <haraldh> true, but it has to be created
[08:06] <haraldh> with all the udev helpers
[08:06] <Keybuk> ah, but does it
[08:06] <Keybuk> what if the udev helpers were instead run the first time an app queried the db?
[08:06] <haraldh> on the device?
[08:06] <Keybuk> that's a bit more "on demand" than "probe every damned device on boot"
[08:06] <haraldh> hmm
[08:06] <haraldh> it's like upstart vs systemd :)
[08:07] <haraldh> on demand vs event driven :)
[08:07] <Keybuk> ;-)
[08:07] <Keybuk> I was actually talking to Apple guys it turns out
[08:07] <Keybuk> comparing notes on our respective layers
[08:08] <Keybuk> so it's no surprise it sounds bit like launchd, err, systemd ;)
[08:08] <haraldh> :)
[08:10] <Md> still, you have not explained what will load the drivers
[08:10] <Keybuk> Md: as I said, we have *two* daemons *today* that can run things on kernel events
[08:11] <Keybuk> upstart is quite capable of running modprobe
[08:11] <Md> maybe assuming a perfect kernel which does not need any fixup rules
[08:13] <Keybuk> it'd be easier to write those in shell than in udev's evil rules syntax :p
[08:15] <Keybuk> interesting thought experiment anyway :p
[08:15] <Keybuk> I'm not going to start a "de-udev-ification" in maverick <g>
[08:15] <Keybuk> though I may experiment towards the end of the timeframe once everything else is stable
[08:16] <Keybuk> (in a consider for 11.04 kinda way)
[08:24] <Keybuk> right bed
[21:53] <BCMM> how does one control which services are started at boot time?


[09:52]  * smartboyhw sees a rare visitor amjjawad
[09:52] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: indeed :)
[10:57] <Laney> hello
[10:57] <Laney> I come from planet release team
[10:57] <Laney> and I am here to ask you if you mind too much if I remove the beta 1 migration block
[11:32] <Laney> amjjawad: ↑ ;-)
[11:32] <amjjawad> Hi Laney
[11:32] <Laney> ello
[11:32] <Laney> nice to meet you!
[11:33] <amjjawad> I was away and had bad migraine last night so forgive my Qs
[11:33] <amjjawad> when Beta1 will be ready to release?
[11:33] <Laney> Waiting for the flavours to say they are ready
[11:33] <Laney> remaining are GNOME and Edubuntu
[11:34] <amjjawad> While I was away, I had this message from darkxst_
[11:34] <amjjawad> "I just respun the beta 1 candidate, its now at 20130903. This should be the final candidate pending any critical issues that arise during testing"
[11:35] <amjjawad> Laney: that should be the final candidate as per darkxst_ (Tim)
[11:35] <Laney> amjjawad: OK then, if you're happy with it then please mark it as 'ready' on the iso tracker
[11:35] <amjjawad> So, judging from that email, we are ready
[11:36] <amjjawad> but I will double check with darkxst_
[11:36] <amjjawad> how much time do I have?
[11:36] <Laney> Not sure if he'll be on in the near future
[11:36] <amjjawad> yes
[11:37] <Laney> I'd like to start doing things in maybe 3 hours
[11:37] <Laney> jbicha will probably be on sooner
[11:37] <Laney> anyway, I'm going to remove the beta 1 block
[11:37] <amjjawad> so, how much time do I have?
[11:37] <Laney> thanks for the info
[11:37] <amjjawad> I can get back to you within ... ?
[11:37] <Laney> shall we say 3 hours?
[11:38] <amjjawad> that would be perfect
[11:38] <amjjawad> where can I find you?
[11:38] <Laney> #ubuntu-release is best
[11:38] <Laney> but I'll stay here anyway
[11:38] <amjjawad> cool
[11:38] <amjjawad> even better :D
[11:38] <Laney> release is where the coordination happens
[11:42] <amjjawad> yep, but IRC makes me dizzy so I am not an IRC type of user :)
[11:42] <amjjawad> but no worries, I can catch up with you either here or there  ;)
[11:46] <arpu> anyone an idea why my x crashes on logout/login ? http://paste.railsbox.eu/show/753/
[11:58] <arpu> found the problem is not gnome related xorg bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63576
[12:05] <amjjawad> darkxst_: hey :D
[12:06] <darkxst> hi amjjawad
[12:06] <amjjawad> darkxst: hi :)
[12:07] <amjjawad> Laney: was asking about: " and I am here to ask you if you mind too much if I remove the beta 1 migration block"
[12:07] <amjjawad> As per the email I got from you, 03092913 should be the one to go
[12:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, yup that should be fine, I havent seen anything that would suggest we will need to respin
[12:08] <amjjawad> darkxst: thanks, I was positive about that but thought it is always better to be safe than sorry :D
[12:08] <amjjawad> Laney: you there?
[12:30] <darkxst> amjjawad, you really should hang out in #ubuntu-release on days like these ;)
[12:30] <amjjawad> darkxst: I know, I know :d
[12:30] <amjjawad> :D
[12:30] <amjjawad> but I was just telling smartboyhw that IRC makes me confused and dizzy
[12:31] <amjjawad> and I just had so bad night fighting with migraine
[12:31] <amjjawad> but I will do my best :)
[12:32] <darkxst> amjjawad, no problem, hope your migraine gets better!
[12:33] <amjjawad> darkxst: thanks but how can it gets better with tons of activities :P
[12:33] <amjjawad> I am in the process of slowing down and focusing on few things rather than so many :D
[12:33] <amjjawad> I know I will fail as always but I am trying hehe
[12:40] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, :)
[15:55] <Maple__> Er, you might want to note that's it's beta-1 now ;)
[15:58] <jbicha> the official email from the Release Team hasn't been sent out yet :)
[15:59] <amjjawad> Maple__: +1 to jbicha and that is why there is no "now" yet ;)
[15:59] <Maple__> :-(
[16:00] <Laney> One day we'll pull an image after omgubuntu has announced it early
[16:00] <Laney> Then they'll have egg on face :-)
[16:02] <amjjawad> OMG O_o
[16:02] <amjjawad> they did it one more time?
[16:02] <amjjawad> https://www.facebook.com/omgubuntu/posts/660809390598268
[16:02] <amjjawad> I have asked them twice already before to NOT do that but ... oh well :/
[16:03] <Laney> never going to happen
[16:03] <Laney> just ignore it
[16:05] <amjjawad> Laney: can't help it :D I posted a note :P
[17:42] <aceat64> if I just installed alpha 2 yesterday, do I need to do a clean install for beta 1 or is dist-upgrade sufficient?
[17:51] <amjjawad> aceat64: the whole point from testing is to test first of all the installation so yes, clean install please :)
[22:20] <checoimg> Hi guys, Anyone having trouble with Libre Office Writer to load ?
[22:20] <checoimg> I want to know if it is only me
[22:22] <checoimg> Hi guys, Anyone having trouble with Libre Office Writer to load ? I want to know if it is only me
[22:24] <Maple__> uh
[22:24] <Maple__> what kind of issues?
[22:24] <Maple__> also try running it from termianl - what's the output when you try?
[22:28] <checoimg> Hi
[22:28] <checoimg> Well I'm trying out the PPA and it works
[22:29] <checoimg> But I would like to try to get you that info
[22:29] <checoimg> brb
[22:30] <checoimg> updating back to normal sources without the PPA
[22:30] <checoimg> ...
[22:33] <checoimg> How do I call it form command line ?
[22:33] <checoimg> Note : Now the normal package works when clicking on the documents


[06:39] <DanChapman> morning all
[06:45] <Noskcaj> afternoon DanChapman
[09:46] <knome> stgraber, wondering if it would be trivial enough to make the iso tracker add a tag by the product, eg. all bugs reported in the xubuntu products would have the tag xubuntu


[18:45] <xu-irc75w> hi everyone
[18:46] <xu-irc75w> my xubuntu pc goes on stucking after sometime and does not responds for minutes


[08:47] <handsome_feng> willcooke: Hi, Could you please help me to upload my new wizard package to archive ? I have asked in ubuntu-release and ubuntu-devel, but seems nobody noticed.
[08:47] <willcooke> Trevinho, can you advise handsome_feng pls? ^
[08:49] <handsome_feng> Thank you ! willcooke, but Trevinho seems not online ..
[08:49] <willcooke> handsome_feng, he will be soon
[08:49] <willcooke> in the meantime maybe hikiko can advise? ^
[08:50] <hikiko> handsome_feng, is this a new package?
[08:51] <handsome_feng> Yes..
[08:51] <hikiko> and you want to upload it to launchpad?
[08:51] <handsome_feng> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1609207
[08:51] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1609207 in Ubuntu Kylin "[needs-packaging] ubuntu-kylin-wizard" [High,Triaged]
[08:51] <hikiko> you have to create a new project on launchpad
[08:52] <hikiko> and then you push the code there like you do with existing projects
[08:52] <hikiko> then you have to ask someone else how it will be included in the archive and the ubuntu repos
[08:52] <hikiko> I don't know about that :/
[08:53] <hikiko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-kylin-wizard
[08:53] <hikiko> you already did the project
[08:53] <hikiko> you have to ask a packager I think, sorry I don't know :(
[08:54] <handsome_feng> Thank you all the same ! I will wait marco and asked him :)
[08:56] <ypwong> handsome_feng, i noticed you haven't subscribe your bug to ~ubuntu-sponsors
[08:57] <ypwong> handsome_feng, i have just done that for you
[08:59] <handsome_feng> oh, Thank you ! I  missed that..
[12:39] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: oh... I completely missed all this, but I think seb128 can help more than me
[12:41] <handsome_feng> Hi, Marco, finally, lain reply me ! :)


[01:10] <LinDol> hi all
[14:08] <lindol> hi all
[19:26] <kozukumi> Hello
[19:26] <kozukumi> Is there an extension that works with 15.10 to hide the title bar?
[21:40] <craysiii> sometimes, after snapping a window to the left or right of the desktop on my middle monitor, and then attempt to resize the window, the window pops up to the top monitor o.O
[21:45] <craysiii> https://youtu.be/0HfHL-5xVGY
[21:54] <craysiii> gnome really does not like stacked desktops lol


[01:52] <Unit193> Does it count for UGJ if I do it a few days late? :P
[01:57] <PCLine_> Hello
[01:58] <Unit193> Howdy.
[02:00] <PCLine_> Hows things with you tonight?
[02:01] <Unit193> Nice meal, little to drink, and did some testing today.
[02:02] <PCLine_> What kind of Test?
[02:05] <Unit193> Tried to reproduce an Xubuntu vivid netbook bug, and tested xmir 0.11.0 as there was a chance a bug was fixed to work on my hardware.
[12:35] <belkinsa> Unit193, you can test on your own at anytime.  The Jam's point is to get massive numbers of people within the Community to get things done.


[00:17] <sil2100> I think I need to go to sleep soon - I'll land what I can in the morning
[00:17] <sil2100> If there would be anything super urgent, feel free to call me
[00:21] <sil2100> Goodnight o/
[00:33] <ToyKeeper> There will probably be a few approved by then.  :)
[00:38] <ToyKeeper> ... that is, if silos will stop failing.
[04:02] <bfiller> robru: around at all for a publish?
[04:08] <robru> bfiller: oh hey. One sec
[04:13] <bfiller> robru: thank you
[04:13] <robru> bfiller: you're welcome!
[04:17] <alecu> yay!
[08:51] <sil2100> o/
[09:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:11] <jibel> Good morning
[09:19]  * davmor2 ping tvoss repeated in the hope that it will connect him to the T'interwebz
[09:21] <sil2100> Publishing
[09:21] <sil2100> davmor2: I doubt it, he didn't answer my e-mail as well
[09:21] <davmor2> ohm ohm ohm ohm ohm TVOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
[09:25] <davmor2> jibel: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/191331620/dbuscpp-massif.png forgive me here for my ignorance but x86_64 is not armhf right  :) related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/dbus-cpp/+bug/1396985 for the dbus-cpp
[09:29] <jibel> davmor2, I am not an expert either but I think that's different architectures ;)
[11:03] <davmor2> jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/massif-pre-silo.png http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/massif-post-silo.png  well those look different no idea what it means and you have to install 90% of kde to use massif Vizualizer but it seems like it might be fixed
[11:05] <davmor2> jibel: that is silo 23, what I can do now is wipe the phone just add silo 23 and run sanity on it to make sure it doesn't break the system :)
[11:08] <sil2100> davmor2: yeah, please do sanity, dbus-cpp broke our images far too many times
[11:08] <sil2100> ;)
[11:12] <davmor2> jibel: and you'll note in my screenshots no x86_64 used :)#
[11:33] <boiko> jibel: hi, just to let you know: the fixes you asked for are built in silo 11
[11:40] <jibel> boiko, thanks, I'll verify it.
[11:56] <jibel> boiko, did you find why history-daemon is running?
[11:58] <boiko> jibel: nope, I tried many things but couldn't figure it out, it should cause any harm though
[11:58] <boiko> jibel: shouldn't
[12:03] <boiko> jibel: I tried the sim pin locking as bfiller suggested, but still it wouldn't trigger the history-daemon
[12:04] <jibel> boiko, it's running even without unlocking the SIMs
[12:04] <boiko> jibel: did you by any chance receive a call or a message before you checked if it was running?
[12:04] <jibel> boiko, no, right after a reboot
[12:05] <boiko> jibel: that's weird, cause here I couldn't reproduce this behavior at all :/
[12:06] <jibel> boiko, about silo 11, it's better although, it still doesn't find messages with double-quotes and there is another message with nothing special that is not found, I don't know why.
[12:06] <davmor2> boiko: are you on krillin?
[12:06] <jibel> davmor2, yes krillin
[12:06] <davmor2> boiko: and do you have an sd card?
[12:06] <jibel> ah sorry, ignore me :)
[12:07] <davmor2> boiko: you get a message almost immediately on start up from ciborium to say there is an sdcard available might that trigger it?
[12:08] <davmor2> jibel: I'm assuming you have an sdcard in right?
[12:08] <jibel> davmor2, I do
[12:10] <boiko> davmor2: that should have nothing to do with the history-service, we only log calls and messages that go through telepathy
[12:11] <jibel> boiko, there is something weird with the search, it doesn't return all the matches
[12:11] <boiko> jibel: it returns the most recent match for each thread
[12:11] <jibel> ah
[12:11] <boiko> jibel: not all matches (that's per design)
[12:12] <jibel> it is not intuitive, design bug IMO
[12:12] <boiko> jibel: I think we might change that in the future, but it is too risky to do it now
[12:12] <davmor2> boiko: Indeed it shouldn't I agree, but I'm just thinking outside of the box on potential differences that might mean we see it and you don't and that was the only thing that seems a really obvious start point :)
[12:14] <boiko> davmor2: that's fine, I can try putting an SD card in to see if it makes any difference
[12:15] <boiko> davmor2: is that microSD?
[12:15] <boiko> davmor2: I mean, the card krillin uses
[12:15] <davmor2> boiko: yeap
[12:16] <davmor2> boiko: and you need the tool to open the slot cover and push the sd card in
[12:16]  * boiko looks for a microSD
[12:16] <davmor2> the sim tool that is
[12:16] <boiko> davmor2: it is the slot on the top of the phone, right? (just to make sure :D )
[12:16] <davmor2> boiko: yeap
[12:40] <boiko> jibel: the quotes not matching thing I think will need more investigation, but I would say it is better that we do it as a separate bug report, what do you think?
[12:46] <sil2100> oh, silo 17 is building? Is tvoss around today?
[12:46] <sil2100> Ok guys, time for lunch, bbl
[13:20] <boiko> jibel: fixed the problem of quotes, I will push it to the branch in a minute
[13:23] <jibel> boiko, nice, hopefully I'll have fixed my device by then
[13:25] <boiko> jibel: oups, what happened?
[13:26] <jibel> boiko, I don't know. I don't have any network on SIM1. The SIM is recognized, it asks me for a PIN, I can unlock it and the signal is good, but cannot use it, it says 'no network'. The dialer and messaging app shows only the second SIM. I switched SIMs and same result. Nothing on top SIM.
[13:27] <jibel> I wiped the device again, we'll see
[13:27] <boiko> jibel: ah, known bug, run ofono-setup manually
[13:27] <jibel> boiko, it's fine after a wipe
[13:28]  * jibel back to silo 11
[13:28] <boiko> jibel: it seems sometimes ofono-setup is ran too early and the telepathy accounts don't get created correctly
[13:28] <jibel> boiko, do you know the bug #?
[13:28] <boiko> jibel: nops, let me try to find it
[13:29] <jibel> boiko, good to know though, I was a bit worried that something broke with recent uploads.
[13:30] <boiko> jibel: couldn't find it, tiagosh knows it better, but he will only be online later today
[13:30] <boiko> jibel: after wiping the phone, do you still see history being started automatically after reboot?
[13:31] <boiko> davmor2: just checked, it is not the SD card :/
[13:32] <boiko> jibel: the fix is building, I can ping you once it finishes if you want
[13:33] <jibel> boiko, no this time it is not running.
[13:37] <boiko> jibel: really interesting, I will keep an eye on this one and if I ever find what was causing it I'll let you know
[13:42] <jibel> ogra_, what creates /data/.adb_onlock ?
[13:42] <ogra_> jibel, u-d-f when used with --developer-mode
[13:42] <jibel> ogra_, is it only when you flash with developer mode?
[13:43] <ogra_> yeah
[13:43] <jibel> ogra_, I flashed with "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed --wipe" and the flag exists
[13:43] <ogra_> --wipe isnt --bootstrap ;)
[13:44] <ogra_> (it wont format partitions so old stuff can stay around)
[13:45] <jibel> hm, it could be a leftover from my previous test.
[13:46] <ogra_> bah, smoketesting failed again today ...
[13:47] <ogra_> (some bzr error with phablet-click-test-setup today)
[13:57] <boiko> jibel: silo finished building
[13:57] <jibel> boiko, yup, I just installed it.
[13:57] <boiko> jibel: nice! thanks
[13:59] <sil2100> Back
[14:01] <boiko> jibel: I'll go for lunch now, but please let me know if the silo needs anything else
[14:22] <jibel> boiko, ^
[14:24] <sil2100> \o/
[14:25] <sil2100> boiko: can you please approve https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/messaging-app/rtm-test_strings_escaped/+merge/247522 ?
[14:25] <sil2100> (once you're back from lunch that is)
[14:26] <jibel> sil2100, I think it was the last critical
[14:27] <jibel> there is one left on Pat's list but no fix.
[14:35] <sil2100> Great news then
[14:35] <sil2100> We might really think about closing the landing gates early this time, maybe on Monday EOD
[14:36] <sil2100> Considering this is a very important milestone that we cannot miss
[14:38] <jibel> sil2100, close the gates *NOW* ;)
[14:54] <boiko> sil2100: done
[14:54] <boiko> jibel: thanks :)
[15:19] <sil2100> boiko, jibel, davmor2: great work guys ;)
[15:32] <jibel> davmor2, you're verifying silo 2 today?
[15:32] <davmor2> jibel: trying to it doesn't seem to be working though
[15:32] <jibel> davmor2, we should maybe not wait for it and trigger a new build then?
[15:33] <davmor2> jibel: yeah there is no rush for this one I think
[15:33] <davmor2> jibel: was silo 007 on the list om26er put a block on it
[15:34] <jibel> davmor2, it's waiting for feedback from Chipaca
[15:34] <davmor2> jibel: yeah so one for monday then
[15:35] <davmor2> I can ping Chipaca first thing
[15:35] <jibel> davmor2, I wouldn't block on it for a new build and Omer started the verification.
[15:35] <davmor2> so 2 is definitely not opening anything I don't know if it only works with google maps or not so one for Monday too
[15:36] <davmor2> jibel: push the image and I'll make a start on porting the sanity suite to practi
[15:36] <sil2100> I would not force anything with silo 2
[15:37] <jibel> sil2100, ogra_, rsalveti ^ there is nothing left to verify for today, could you build a new image?
[15:37] <sil2100> Do we have anyone around that could kick a new image?
[15:37] <ogra_> jibel, sure
[15:37] <sil2100> ogra_: maybe you are around?
[15:37] <sil2100> yaaay
[15:37] <ogra_> kicked
[15:38] <sil2100> Did anyone look at silo 14 by any chance?
[15:39] <jibel> sil2100, yes, bugs are not targeted to any milestone.
[15:40] <sil2100> hm, ok, that's indeed a mistake - IIRC this upload also fixes the thumbnailer problems we saw visible in gallery-app
[15:40] <sil2100> But let's wait for product team to double-verify the other fixes that come with it
[15:41] <sil2100> Would like to land that tomorrow to make sure that the thumbnailer issue is resolved completely (just in case)
[15:41] <jibel> sil2100, silo 12 passed verification but didn't land
[15:42] <jibel> charles_, ^
[15:42] <jibel> charles_, this is the fix for bug 1410874 , some merges are unapproved
[15:44] <bfiller> jibel: I'm close to ready to sign off silo 0 for QA testing, doing last test now. Fixes the full SD card issue with camera
[15:45] <imgbot> [15:45] <sil2100> jibel: already poked charles_ yesterday about silo 12, but he's not around
[15:46] <sil2100> bfiller: great news
[15:47] <bfiller> sil2100: the thumbnailer stuff in silo 14 fixes some performance issues with thumbnailer but the issue with gallery was already fixed. these are additional improvements
[15:47] <bfiller> sil2100, jibel: will talk to pmcgowan about seeing about having them on this milestone
[15:49] <Guest37976> sil2100, whats the story with silo 21
[15:50] <pmcgowan> oh crap 12 didnt publish?
[15:51] <jibel> pmcgowan, ToyKeeper found 2 problems with silo 21
[15:51] <jibel>     The app will still be listed in USS as having access afterward.
[15:51] <jibel>     Toggling the access checkbox in USS can't re-enable access after disabling it.
[15:53] <pmcgowan> jibel, thnks I was confused thought that was on the other bug
[15:57] <sil2100> pmcgowan: 12 didn't land yet, no top-approval - but if you agree I can override that
[15:58] <pmcgowan> looking
[15:59] <pmcgowan> sil2100, seems ok it was reviewed by antti
[15:59] <sil2100> pmcgowan: I didn't override it by default as Antti's review and approval was of an earlier version
[15:59] <pmcgowan> and qa passed
[15:59] <pmcgowan> oh
[16:00] <sil2100> Wellark reviewed one revision and then charles_ pushed one more commit to the branch, not sure what to do with that
[16:01] <pmcgowan> sil2100, yeah he modified the constructor to use the role, wish they had approved properly
[16:02] <pmcgowan> has thostr_ been around?
[16:02] <pmcgowan> bfiller, have you tested that thumnalier silo?
[16:03] <pmcgowan> +b
[16:03] <bfiller> pmcgowan: a bit, but would like to test it some more to make sure
[16:03] <pmcgowan> looks like good fixes
[16:03] <bfiller> pmcgowan: they are the ones Kaleo did
[16:03] <pmcgowan> even  better
[16:04] <bfiller> pretty high confidence in them
[16:04] <pmcgowan> bfiller, I can tag those two bugs
[16:04] <bfiller> pmcgowan: thanks
[16:04] <pmcgowan> bfiller, is  bug 1391286 also fixed by that
[16:05] <bfiller> pmcgowan: I think not unfortunately
[16:05] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:07] <pmcgowan> bfiller, do we have anyone who could make a legit review of that indicator-datetime branch?
[16:08] <pmcgowan> really want that one in
[16:08] <sil2100> pmcgowan: didn't see thostr_ sadly
[16:09] <pmcgowan> sil2100, I can approve it but would like someone to also review
[16:09] <bfiller> pmcgowan: let me see
[16:10] <bfiller> tedg: you around?
[16:11] <bfiller> pmcgowan: looks like Wellark_ reviewed the MR for trunk and top approved it. It is the same thing
[16:12] <pmcgowan> bfiller, ok good will approve
[16:12] <pmcgowan> sil2100, ok happroved it
[16:18] <sil2100> bfiller, pmcgowan thanks!
[16:19] <sil2100> Publishing
[16:19] <pmcgowan> ty
[16:21] <Kaleo> pmcgowan, hey, can you give me access to https://oem-share.canonical.com/partners/tangxi/share/support/Flash-tool/ ?
[16:22] <pmcgowan> Kaleo, let me see
[16:22] <bfiller> pmcgowan, jibel, Kaleo: silo 0 verified and ready to go, awesome job by Kaleo fixing the SD card support. Works amazingly well now
[16:22] <pmcgowan> Kaleo, nope
[16:23] <Kaleo> pmcgowan, darn :/ I really wanted to play with this beautiful phone :)
[16:23] <pmcgowan> Kaleo, isnt it already flashed?
[16:23] <Kaleo> pmcgowan, wanted to upgrade
[16:23] <pmcgowan> yep
[16:24] <bfiller> Kaleo: what's your take on the GU discussion that was on the mail thread? need to be tweked for this device or not?
[16:24] <pmcgowan> back later
[16:55] <imgbot> [16:55] <imgbot> [17:00] <davmor2> bfiller: I think it is fine on the initial install it is on the upgrade that there appears to be issues looking at ogra_ 's post
[17:05] <pmcgowan> anything else going to land today?
[17:06] <bfiller> pmcgowan: we're still working on the gallery fix with loaded SD card, and the camera fix for low disk space. doubt they will land today but hope to have silos at minimum to test
[17:06] <bfiller> hoping we can land them tomorrow
[17:07] <pmcgowan> bfiller, is that whats in silo 0 for camera?
[17:08] <bfiller> pmcgowan: yes
[17:09] <pmcgowan> bfiller, I think we land those and we might be done, unless mterry fixes the password thing
[17:09] <jibel> bfiller, it'd be nice to have the gallery fix tomorrow then close the gates if there is nothing critical left for this milestone. That'll give us time to test the image and land any critical fix.
[17:09] <pmcgowan> +1
[17:09] <bfiller> pmcgowan, jibel : +1
[17:10] <pmcgowan> jibel, there are two BQ reported issues still being worked but no fixes yet
[17:10] <bfiller> jibel: hoping still we might have the gallery fix today, it's partially working but a copule of usecases that still have issues
[17:11] <bfiller> pmcgowan: actually silo 0 for camera is the full SD card. The low disk is not in that silo yet
[17:11] <bfiller> still testing
[17:11] <jibel> bfiller, I am not sure my mind is in good shape to test the camera but ToyKeeper can probably do it later today.
[17:11] <bfiller> jibel: it's fine
[17:16] <bfiller> pmcgowan: if you take a picture with camera and then go to the My Photos scope is the new picture showing up in "Today"?
[17:16] <bfiller> not working for me
[17:16] <bfiller> even after pulling down to refresh
[17:17] <bfiller> oh wait
[17:17] <bfiller> it is, just at the bottom of the list (: that is strange
[17:21] <sil2100> I would propose to kick another image once silo 0 gets signed off
[17:21] <sil2100> Considering that we already had silo 12 landing after the image build as well
[17:25] <sil2100> I would also prefer to close the landing gates tomorrow EOD
[17:29] <pmcgowan> bfiller, I dont see any pictures in the photo scope
[17:30] <pmcgowan> let me update
[17:32] <bfiller> pmcgowan: you have to click on my photos, then it's weird the categories show the oldest first which makes no sense
[17:32] <pmcgowan> bfiller, I have the default photo agregator which as find your photos here, but there are none
[17:35] <ogra_> bfiller, i think we need to re-think our handling of GU ... simply based on the fact that in a ruler app in the store an inch should always be an inch ;) with what victorp wants to force you would start scaling the app and an inch wouldnt be an inch anymore on higher res screens
[17:36] <ogra_> using the right GU per device fixes that ...
[17:36] <ogra_> while forcing everything to be adjusted to the 40GU will make everything scale up and down
[17:40] <pmcgowan> seriously does the photo scope work at all?
[17:41] <pmcgowan> ogra_, bfiller ? I see no local photos
[17:41] <bfiller> pmcgowan: works for me
[17:41] <bfiller> kind of
[17:41]  * ogra_ checks
[17:41] <pmcgowan> I did not set up any feeds
[17:41] <ogra_> i only use MyPhotos ... but that works fine here
[17:42] <pmcgowan> yeah that wrks but aggregator doesnt
[17:42] <ogra_> Photos works for everything i dont need an account for
[17:42] <ogra_> i dont have an instagram or flickr account
[17:42] <ogra_> err
[17:42] <bfiller> pmcgowan: go to the settings for the Photos scope (top right) and turn on local photos
[17:42] <ogra_> facebook, not flickr
[17:43] <pmcgowan> hmm
[17:43] <pmcgowan> its on
[17:43] <pmcgowan> mako works
[17:55] <pmcgowan> bfiller, ogra_ problem was between user and keyboard, I never skipped the setup, did not see that at the bottom
[17:55] <ogra_> heh
[18:11] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: hey, if you'll find a moment of time, could you take a look at silo 000?
[18:43] <thostr_> pmcgowan: just joined again, anything you require from my side right now?
[18:45] <bfiller> sil2100, ToyKeeper: actually just found an issue with silo 000 (: Working on a fix
[19:11] <sil2100> thostr_: I think we're good now, we needed a top-approval on a branch but we did it ourselves
[19:11] <sil2100> Since the vivid branch for the same thing was approved
[19:11] <thostr_> sil2100: ok
[19:11] <sil2100> bfiller: oh, ok, better now than later ;)
[19:12] <bfiller> sil2100: yup, fix in the works though
[19:58]  * ToyKeeper reads the scrollback
[20:03] <ToyKeeper> bfiller: Let me know when silo 000 is fixed/ready again.
[20:10] <bfiller> ToyKeeper: will do
[20:21] <bfiller> ToyKeeper: it's ready again
[20:22] <ToyKeeper> bfiller: I'm still finding and prepping a card.  :)
[20:22] <ToyKeeper> (have been a bit slow lately, have been sick and injured and recovering)
[21:34] <bfiller> robru: if you're around, I need a publish of ubuntu 000 and silo for line 106
[21:35] <sil2100> bfiller: on it
[21:36] <bfiller> sil2100: thanks
[21:36] <sil2100> (Robert is not doing an official shift today) ;)
[21:36] <bfiller> ok
[21:37] <sil2100> I'll be around till late so feel free to ping me as well, might take a few minutes until I notice though
[21:37] <bfiller> sil2100: cool, thanks!
[21:38] <sil2100> bfiller: oh, so ubuntu 000 is the fix for gallery? Nice
[21:38] <sil2100> Anticipating that in rtm then
[21:38] <bfiller> sil2100: yup
[21:38] <bfiller> was a hard one
[21:38] <sil2100> bfiller: thanks! Please wait for the vivid package to migrate fully before building the new silo (or simply rebuild then)
[21:39] <bfiller> sil2100: I will
[21:39] <sil2100> Since migration might take some minutes
[21:43] <bfiller> sil2100: need a silo for line 107 as well
[21:45]  * bfiller bbiab
[22:02] <ToyKeeper> I can't help but wonder if the many-photos scenario needs a lot more fixes...  it seems to break the media scopes too (music, videos, photos).
[22:03] <ToyKeeper> This "wait until mediascanner finishes" step is taking forever.
[22:05] <sil2100> bfiller: sure!
[22:05] <thomi> it's really unsettling seeing other people at work on a Monday morning....
[22:07] <sil2100> thomi: hah, hey! Didn't see you for a while because of timezone differences ;)
[22:07] <thomi> that must have been nice for you :D
[22:07] <sil2100> bfiller: pressed build for you
[22:07] <sil2100> thomi: no waaay ;)
[22:13] <ToyKeeper> We should totally be using epeg for thumbnails instead of whatever it's using now.  It's orders of magnitude faster.
[22:27] <ToyKeeper> bfiller: Is there a valid domain where I can get the updated camera app?
[22:28] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, nice tip (epeg)
[22:28] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, (though the media scanning's bottleneck is not thumbnailing)
[22:30] <ToyKeeper> Regardless, our thumbnailer runs slower than my 14-year-old web server, because the server is using epeg.
[22:30] <ToyKeeper> (also, I really really need to replace that server with something newer)
[22:30] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, you need a click for the camera?
[22:30] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, I agree
[22:31] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, in fact our thumbnailer is slower than just loading the pic...
[22:31] <ToyKeeper> Yes, I don't have access to this: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/camera-app-click/210/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.camera_3.0http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/camera-app-click/210/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.camera_<IP_ADDRESS>8_armhf.click.0.478_armhf.click
[22:31] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, that's how bad it is.
[22:31] <ToyKeeper> double-paste  :(
[22:31] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, http://people.canonical.com/~kaleo/camera/com.ubuntu.camera_3.0.0.latest_armhf.click
[22:31] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, generated just now for you
[22:33] <ToyKeeper> Hmm, can't verify the revision since it's just "latest".  I'm looking for <IP_ADDRESS>8
[22:33] <ToyKeeper> No double-paste this time: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/camera-app-click/210/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.camera_<IP_ADDRESS>8_armhf.click
[22:33] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, it is 478
[22:34] <ToyKeeper> Okay.  :0
[22:34] <ToyKeeper> :) even
[22:34] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, (which is the latest trunk revision that I used)
[22:36] <ToyKeeper> It certainly seems to fix the issue I'm measuring.  :)
[22:38] <ToyKeeper> Well, ish.  Photoroll isn't showing the 3000 pics on the SD card... it's only showing one.
[22:44] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, pics need to be in the camera folder
[22:44] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, for them to show up in the camera's photo roll
[22:44] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/
[22:45] <ToyKeeper> Kaleo: Okay, thanks.  I was going by the bug report repro steps, which didn't put them there.  :)
[22:45] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, yeah it's because it's new
[22:46] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, it used (before this weekend) to look for pics in the entire Pictures folder
[22:46] <ToyKeeper> After moving them, that works well too.  :)
[22:46] <Kaleo> ToyKeeper, wonderful
[22:51] <ToyKeeper> Can't wait until I'm done being sick...  I feel so slow.
[22:58] <ToyKeeper> achoo
[23:04] <sil2100> Yeah!
[23:04] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: thanks!
[23:05] <pmcgowan> sil2100, you're still here!
[23:05] <pmcgowan> sil2100, publish and build an image?
[23:06] <sil2100> pmcgowan: published! Not sure if we won't need anyone to push the camera-app click package to the store though
[23:06] <pmcgowan> ah indeed
[23:06] <sil2100> We might be a bit low on people with click power now
[23:07] <sil2100> Normally we could poke balloons
[23:07] <sil2100> sergiusens: hey! Any chance you're here right now?
[23:08] <sil2100> bfiller: or maybe you can push this forward once you're back?
[23:09] <pmcgowan> sil2100, thats fine we can sort it in the am
[23:09] <sil2100> pmcgowan: I'm trying to cover as much of both timezones during the weekend so I'll still stick around for a bit
[23:09] <sil2100> ;)
[23:10] <pmcgowan> sil2100, thanks
[23:27] <sil2100> bfiller: ^


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[00:22] <Semitones> thank you holstein,
[00:23] <Semitones> I don't have dj equipment yet; I'll just be choosing songs and doing some crossfading for my sister's birthday
[00:23] <Semitones> probably using Mixxx
[00:24] <Semitones> I'll definitely do that trick with the USB boot
[00:25] <Semitones> now for Mixxx, you need two soundcards to play one song and preview another, I think, so does that mean buying a USB external soundcard
[12:10] <mrthraz> hello
[12:11] <mrthraz> where can i find the source for the <IP_ADDRESS> rt kernel?
[12:11] <mrthraz> i need to patch it
[12:23] <mrthraz> hello, where can i find the source for the <IP_ADDRESS> rt kernel? i need to patch it.
[12:23] <mrthraz> hello, where can i find the source for the <IP_ADDRESS> rt kernel? i need to patch it.
[12:29] <mrthraz> hello, where can i find the source for the <IP_ADDRESS> rt kernel? i need to patch it.
[12:30] <Blank__> mrthraz, kernel.org
[12:31] <Blank__> you can find both the kernel source and rt patch there
[12:31] <mrthraz> thanks :-D
[12:31] <mrthraz> you guys are great
[12:32] <Blank__> i'd suggest you go with the .33 kernel
[12:32] <Blank__> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/
[12:32] <Blank__> that's the rt patch
[12:32] <Blank__> well, that's the folder full of rt patches
[12:32] <mrthraz> yeah? any particular reason?
[12:33] <Blank__> yeah, different patches for different kernel releases
[12:33] <mrthraz> ahh
[12:33] <Blank__> 33.3 source is on the index of kernel.org
[12:33] <Blank__> then you should be able to find a corresponding rt patch in its folder
[12:33] <Blank__> i think rt19?
[12:34] <mrthraz> crud
[12:34] <Blank__> it's good fun really

[12:34] <mrthraz> wish i had know befro spending 5 hour doing the first kernel
[12:34] <Blank__> you have to grab the 33.3 source, extract it to somewhere, then grab the rt kernel patch, extract that, then patch with some specific set of parameters
[12:35] <Blank__> unfortunately i don't really know that much of the rest :(
[12:35] <mrthraz> will i be able to config for pae?
[12:35] <Blank__> i've tried building my own but mine end up huge due to inclusion of all kernel drivers etc
[12:35] <mrthraz> oh ok
[12:35] <Blank__> yeah should be a simple config option
[12:35] <Blank__> not to mention they also end up not working
[12:36] <Blank__> it must be just me, or my inability to interpret incredibly specific instructions properly
[12:36] <mrthraz> you tryed kernelcheck? worked for me.
[12:36] <Blank__> "balance a few plates, remove the eyelash of a mosquito, wait for the planets to align, and voila! your own kernel"
[12:36] <mrthraz> lol
[12:37] <Blank__> if you can achieve it, it's nice to be ahead of the pack... sorta
[12:38] <Blank__> i remember there was a very strange bug with one of the older rt kernels where almost any internet access would freeze the computer
[12:38] <Blank__> the only real solution until a new kernel release was to "roll your own"
[12:39] <Blank__> or should i say prepackaged kernel release...
[12:39] <mrthraz> wow
[12:39] <Blank__> that was with ubuntu studio
[12:39] <Blank__> about a year or two ago
[12:39] <Blank__> fun times :p
[12:40] <mrthraz> eyah i wouldnt mind my self  to shut of the net
[12:40] <mrthraz> maybe i could get some work done
[12:40] <mrthraz>  on this stupid album
[12:40] <Blank__> to be honest if you're recording using ubuntu studio you wouldn't want to be on the net, that'd increase latency
[12:41] <mrthraz> yeah i was told so by others as well
[12:41] <mrthraz> but i find i have to go dl samples and such
[12:41] <Blank__> ah
[12:41] <Blank__> i'd say it's fine to alternate, e.g switch between some work and then browse for what you need on the web, then switch back
[12:42] <Blank__> it's only if you're doing both at the exact same time that it may get tricky
[12:45] <mrthraz> im working on doing a whole hip hop album using only oss software and hardware costing no more than $100 a piece. the keybourd needs a driver patch for the kernel. i did it  last night and it seems to work but it isnt rt so i'm gonna try again
[12:48] <Blank__> ah ok
[13:27] <ShadeS> as much as I don't want to sound as a hater
[13:27] <ShadeS> i've had horrible experiences with linux and music
[13:27] <ShadeS> I've faired far better w/ osx and even <gasp> windows
[13:29] <astraljava> By all means, please help us make it better. :)
[13:30] <mrthraz> took me awhile
[13:30] <mrthraz> but i got the hang of it
[13:31] <Tanarotte> Hello ;)
[13:31] <mrthraz> you just cant think of it like  a win or mac  way
[13:31] <mrthraz> hi
[13:32] <Tanarotte> well iam kind of Windows user and i would need some help getting my internet on my laptop. Any 1 would like to help xD ?
[13:33] <mrthraz> once you get used to connecting everything through jack its like you can make your own daw
[13:33] <mrthraz> whats wrong
[13:34] <Tanarotte> Well, ubuntu studio cant detect lan card nor wireless card on my Eee 1005ha, i found some "drivers-a-like-apckage" and iam trying to do as the tutorial is saying but not " make" nor dkpg commands work >.<
[13:35] <mrthraz> have you tryed ndis wrapper?
[13:35] <Tanarotte> and iam having hard time to " download required packages" manually . . i dont even have an idea what this wrapper is xD
[13:35] <Blank__> ndiswrapper can use windows drivers to make some cards work
[13:35] <mrthraz> its kinda like wine  for windows nic drivers
[13:36] <Tanarotte> oh
[13:37] <Tanarotte> well didnt tryed it yet. . . do i need to download this ndiswrapper too xD?
[13:38] <Blank__> i honestly would've thought something like an eeepc would be fairly well supported out of the box
[13:38] <astraljava> Blank__: What makes you think so?
[13:39] <Tanarotte> Well the only thing that works is keyboard battery and screen
[13:39] <Blank__> oh, just the assumption that certain models had the option of running linux as stock
[13:39] <Tanarotte> well . . and gfx drivers. . . ihave thoes glumsy windows effect pretty much working fine
[13:43] <Tanarotte>  btw the "make" command on the lan driver package gives me " no linux kernel sources found" error. I installed kernel-image-2.6.32-21-generic-di_2.6.32-21.32_i386.udeb but it still does not work xD what should i do ? [sorry iam nobbish]
[13:46] <mrthraz> what nic card do you have?
[13:46] <astraljava> Tanarotte: Are you sure it requires kernel sources? Usually compiling only needs kernel headers, which can be found with sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[13:47] <mrthraz> shes  a noob, open synaptic under system
[13:47] <Tanarotte> I guess so, it says " Linux kernel source not found. Stop."
[13:47] <mrthraz> then look for the headers
[13:48] <Tanarotte> I have no net on the linux so it wont work that way
[13:48] <mrthraz> ahh
[13:48] <Tanarotte> thats the whole point
[13:48] <Tanarotte> i have to install all packages manualy to get some net
[13:49] <mrthraz> did the nic work with the live cd?
[13:49] <Tanarotte> ekhm o make drivers first, then get net xD^
[13:49] <Tanarotte> its no-live cd version since i installed it from usb key . . . netbooks dont have cd drive
[13:50] <mrthraz> can you boot live from the key?
[13:50] <Tanarotte> no
[13:50] <Tanarotte> there is not even live option
[13:51] <Tanarotte> just " default, install, install [hardcore], install command line [mega hardcore] exit"
[13:51] <Tanarotte> xD
[13:52] <Tanarotte> i used unetbootin on ubuntustudio-10.04-alternate-i386 to make that iso boot from key
[14:03] <Blank__> g'night
[14:04] <mrthraz> was you nic card pluged in during install?
[14:06] <mrthraz> i had lots of problems when my laptop was installed with out the networked plugged in
[14:08] <Tanarotte> yes
[14:09] <Tanarotte> and i kind of just used ndiswrapper and teoreticaly installed the nic XP driver for this atheros lan card
[14:09] <Tanarotte> at least it didnt give me any error but i some how dont know what to do now xD
[17:44] <lau1> any one had trouble updating to 10.04 from 9.10 (conservatively testing the water ;)
[17:51] <astraljava> Not me, I'm still lagging two versions behind. Damn mobile broadband... :-/
[22:59] <semitones_tea> funkyHat, do you use studio?
[23:00] <funkyHat> semitones_tea: I have a bunch of the studio packages installed
[23:00] <funkyHat> Haven't really used them a great deal because I've been so busy with college and work
[23:00] <funkyHat> Also the lack of kit doesn't help ⢁(
[23:00] <semitones_tea> yeah I understand. I'm about to get some free time now that school is out
[23:01] <funkyHat> Another 2.5 weeks for me
[23:01] <funkyHat> But I might continue to be busy after that
[23:02] <semitones_tea> I may be 'djing' (without turntables or anything) for my sister's birthday
[23:02] <funkyHat> ⢁)
[23:02] <semitones_tea> so i'm planning on getting used to Mixxx at the very least :D
[23:02] <funkyHat> I've started a project to make mpd suitable for parties
[23:02] <semitones_tea> cool! what's it called?
[23:02] <funkyHat> partymode
[23:02] <semitones_tea> excellent :D
[23:03] <funkyHat> It won't be anything like mixxx, it's just a client that manipulates playlists
[23:03] <semitones_tea> well I'm not sure how complicated I'll get with mixxx
[23:03] <semitones_tea> I may just use it to crossfade :P
[23:03] <funkyHat> heh
[23:05] <semitones_tea> so what can partymode do?
[23:05] <semitones_tea> or will it do
[23:46] <semitones_tea> hey guys a question: at the login screen, do you get a little "popping" noise when you input characters?