[00:03] <vigo> I went with an Edbuntu on this , seems to work well.
[00:16] <BUGabundo> off to bed
[00:17] <vigo> Sea ya BUGabundo
[00:17] <XmagusX> Has anyone gotten wine/flash audio working once more?
[00:19] <vigo> I have not put windows on this box, yet, but I may later today then I can test that stuff.
[00:20] <crack> hi
[00:20] <crack> i need enter in spanish ubuntu chat
[00:21] <crack> can you help me?
[00:22] <durt> crack, /join #ubuntu-es
[00:22] <crack> thanks
[00:25] <philip> update-manager broke for anyone?
[00:26] <vigo> philip: No, I used the safe-update.
[00:27] <vigo> The GUI one worked after that.
[00:29] <vigo> philip: wait a sec, just looked at logs, update then safe-upgrade, was what I did.
[00:32] <philip> vigo: yeah it's fine now. I just didn't update first
[00:33] <vigo> philip: neato, use the aptitude line?
[00:33] <Bookman> so, how has the alpha 5 experience been for everyone.  I'm just upgrading my test laptop now.
[00:34] <vigo> Bookman: All smooth here.
[00:34] <philip> vigo: yeah
[00:34] <vigo> But I do make backups.
[00:34] <philip> Bookman: smooth here too. A little hiccup with sound, but resolved now
[00:35] <Bookman> excellent.  I'm curious about the wireless.
[00:36] <philip> speaking of wireless...my router finally died, turned a crispy brown in the heat of summer
[00:36] <philip> of course it didn't help that I stacked it on top of an even hotter modem
[00:37] <vigo> I could not yet get a card working, D-Link 650 Extreme, I am working on that now.
[00:37] <philip> the modem is black...router was white.
[00:38] <vigo> I did get it up with a Mobo dongle , is my friends, still working on the D-Link 650 just because I like to see stuff function.
[01:13] <test34> Any work around for the broken nvidia driver ?
[01:14] <durt> bug 429003
[01:14] <test34> thanks
[01:21] <test34> Which repository should I use to have the very latest versions? http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ doesn't seem to have them?
[01:22] <test34> (it doesnt have the eglibc (2.10.1-0ubuntu12) update)
[01:22] <durt> wha? is there a fix out?
[01:22] <test34> it looks like it, 35 minutes ago
[01:24] <durt> my guess would be a few hours, but who knows.
[01:24] <test34> ok
[01:24] <test34> nowhere we can get pre-release?
[01:26] <durt> dude, this is alpha already. and this is an important bug fix. From dev to you in hours is pretty much as fast as it's gonna get.
[01:26] <test34> the latest update also overwrote my /etc/resolv.conf erasing my DNS
[01:27] <test34> durt, yeah that would be very good I'm not complaining, I
[01:27] <test34> I'm just making sure I can't get it now
[01:27] <philip> what a tennis match! (sorry about off-topic)
[01:27] <test34> big boobs bouncing around?
[01:27] <philip> balls
[01:27] <test34> oh
[01:28] <test34> it look like my desktop is also broke, no icons and no right click menu
[01:47] <philip> ok is this scenario doable: routing cable TV signal from one computer to multiple computers on the same network
[01:47] <philip> live multicasting
[01:49] <test34> probably depend on how fast is your server.. would they all watch the same channel ?
[01:50] <test34> if they don't watch all the same channel you might need multiple tv tuners ?
[01:50] <philip> the same channel
[01:51] <philip> gigabit network, multicasting to 3 other computers
[01:52] <philip> I was using VLC to multicast movie files, but not live TV
[01:52] <pwnguin> what's the package name for the gnome applet to start a guest user session?
[01:52] <test34> philip, I think you can do live tv with VLC
[01:53] <test34> my nautilus is broke, is that a known bug?
[01:54] <philip> test34: you are right! damn VLC never ceases to amaze me
[02:00] <test34> philip, good, yeah vlc is greate;)
[02:00] <test34> -e
[02:10] <Bookman> Wow, just upgraded and no problems at all.  Even Broadcom wireless worked
[02:12] <test34> Bookman, lucky you
[02:12] <Bookman> test34, maybe not so much.  cpu at 100%
[02:13] <test34> so far the latest upgrade create 3 problems for me..
[02:13] <test34> I still don't know how to fix the nautilus one (can't start nautilus and don't have any icons on my desktop)
[02:14] <Bookman> On mine, Ubuntu One is at 100% cpu
[02:16] <test34> oh yes I forgot about ubuntu one, it doesn't want to connect
[02:16] <Bookman> AWN does not work
[02:17] <Bookman> I'm going to try a reboot.
[02:17] <test34> I don't use awn
[02:21] <nostahl> gevening guys
[02:21] <nostahl> how's everyone doin
[02:26] <wastrel> koala broke my computer :[
[02:28] <durt> isn't that what it's supposed to do
[02:29] <nostahl> heyey new updates woot .....updating
[02:31] <wastrel> nvidia drivers broken for anyone else ?
[02:32] <durt> bug 429003
[02:38] <wastrel> i had to fix my configuration
[02:43] <bjsnider> durt, you're like a bot, sitting there waiting to respond with that bug
[02:43] <wastrel> it's a good bug
[02:43] <nostahl> heh
[02:44] <nostahl> he's called his girlfriend over to make coffee so he can keep his fingers poised over the ctrl v button heh
[02:44] <wastrel> i only had to reboot 7 or 8 times to get myself up and running agiin
[02:45] <wastrel> speaking of which the delay before showing the user list in the new gdm is 1. annoying and 2. confusing
[02:45] <wastrel> i was staring at that screen and it just had 2 buttons "shutdown" and "reboot"
[02:45] <bjsnider> does fullscreen flash really not work in linux?
[02:45] <wastrel> i was like "hrm i guess i can either shut down or reboot"
[02:45] <nostahl> bjsnider does for me
[02:46] <bjsnider> using which graphics driver?
[02:46] <nostahl> brb ima check a new reboot to see how the changes look for me
[02:48] <durt> bjsnider, ya, can't remember who responded to me with it, but I think it's time to pass the torch.
[02:49] <durt> and time for me to go to bed.
[02:49] <durt> night all
[02:51] <test34> the boot process seem slower with karmic
[02:56] <arand> test34: hmm, haven't checked lately, but then again, karmic's goal was the smooth boot, the 10sec boot is for karmic+1
[02:57] <wastrel> what's smooth boot
[02:57] <test34> arand, smooth boot? does that mean when you see the desktop is completly loaded and usable (because thats what I also notice in karmic)
[02:57] <Dai> wastrel: using kernel mode setting to eliminate the jarring transition from usplash to gdm to gnome
[02:58] <test34> ah ok
[02:58] <Dai> at least that's what i assume they're talking about by smooth boot
[02:58] <arand> And making it look sweet... hopefully
[02:58] <wastrel> i didn't know there was a jarring transition :]
[02:58] <Dai> there's a little flicker
[02:58] <bjsnider> not kms
[02:59] <bjsnider> they will load the x server before the login scren
[02:59] <Dai> ah
[02:59] <bjsnider> kms isn't feasible yet
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> when i get 10+month uptimes.. i am not too worried about 20+sec boot times.. :P
[03:00] <bjsnider> i wouldn't keep a non-workstation system up for 10 months
[03:01] <bjsnider> without ECC RAM, you'd have a hardware problem with errors after awhile
[03:01] <test34> 10 month uptimes is even long for servers
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> i tend to have power outage  once eveyr 4 months anyway :)
[03:02] <test34> Dr_Willis, no UPS ?
[03:02] <Dai> that tends to not be a good thing...
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> Not on this box.
[03:02] <Dai> and evening, doc
[03:02] <bjsnider> server equipment could run for 10 months, but where are the security updates in that time?
[03:02] <arand> Have you seen the proposed boot-looks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcSpkmM36nA&feature=related pretty neat i must say, if they manage to get that in KK.
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> one thing about using laptops as 'desktop' machines.. :) built in battery backups
[03:02] <wastrel> my battery is kindof fried
[03:03] <mjbrooks> hmmm... supposedly there's supposed to be libc6-2.10.1-0ubuntu12 and libc6-i686-2.10.1-0ubuntu12 packages out, but I'm not seeing them, only 0ubuntu11... the broken ones
[03:03] <test34> built-in battery backup but not as easy to replace as a UPS
[03:05] <test34> what's the best video card brand for linux? this isnt the first time I get driver compatibility issues with nvidia...
[03:06] <bjsnider> nvidia is far and away the best
[03:06] <mjbrooks> uhhh.... nvidia
[03:06] <bjsnider> you're using an unstable distro
[03:06] <Dai> ...intel.  but that's probably not the answer you're looking for if you're going to be gaming
[03:07] <test34> bjsnider, it happened to me before with a stable distro where I updated the kernel
[03:07] <Dai> update the kernel, update the driver
[03:07] <bjsnider> won't happen anymore with dkms
[03:07] <Dai> especially if you installed the driver from someplace other than the repos
[03:07] <test34> Dai, there was no compatible updates...
[03:07] <bjsnider> dkms automatically updates the driver now
[03:07] <Dai> nice
[03:07] <bjsnider> rebuilds it with new kernels that is
[03:08] <test34> it cannot always rebuild it, it is closed source
[03:08] <Dai> test34: the kernel module isn't.
[03:08] <bjsnider> yes it can
[03:08] <bjsnider> and it does
[03:08] <test34> well it doesnt rebuild everything
[03:08] <Dai> it doesn't need to
[03:09] <test34> sometimes it does
[03:09] <bjsnider> yes it does rebuild everything
[03:09] <test34> bjsnider, can you send me the whole source code then
[03:09] <Dai> bjsnider: how does that work for a binary blob?
[03:09] <mjbrooks> ah, it's stuck with rothera https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.10.1-0ubuntu12/+build/1244034
[03:10] <bjsnider> you can download the source code yourself
[03:10] <nostahl> hrmm looks like they didnt fix yahoo logins with empathy ... even though they just released a new version of empathy in tonights updates
[03:10] <bjsnider> it's in the install package. unpack it and look in usr/src/nv
[03:10] <test34> bjsnider, it is closed source, or did that change?
[03:10] <bjsnider> the whoel driver is right there
[03:11] <Dai> ah
[03:11] <test34> bjsnider, I mean the driver with 3d acceleration
[03:11] <bjsnider> it is licensed as closed source, but the code isn't secret
[03:11] <mjbrooks> bjsnider, he's talking about nvidia not nv
[03:11] <bjsnider> so am i
[03:11] <test34> bjsnider, if you use the nv driver with your card, you really aren't using your card fully
[03:11] <bjsnider> if you don't believe me, try it yourself
[03:12] <Dai> nvidia != nv
[03:12] <bjsnider> download hte run package and execute it with --extract
[03:12] <bjsnider> then look inside at usr/src/nv
[03:12] <test34> bjsnider, ok I give you $100 if you send me the full source for the nvidia driver
[03:12] <wastrel> nv eh i'm using vesa
[03:12] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[03:12] <test34> (with 3d acceleration)
[03:13] <bjsnider> why, when you can get it yourself?
[03:13] <test34> I believe it is private
[03:13] <Dai> i know the source for the kernel module is there
[03:14] <Dai> but that is not the source for the whole driver.
[03:15] <bjsnider> it is the code that has to be rebuilt when a new kernel is present. that's what dkms does
[03:15] <Dai> that is not the driver
[03:15] <bjsnider> you install the nvidia driver once, and never worry about it again
[03:15] <Dai> that is the kernel module
[03:15] <Dai> that IS open
[03:15] <test34> Closed source is a term for software whose license does not allow for the release or distribution of the software's source code. Generally, it means only the binaries of a computer program are distributed and the license provides no access to the program's source code. The source code of such programs might be regarded as a trade secret of the company. Access to source code by third parties commonly requires the party to sign a non-disclosure agree
[03:15] <test34> ment
[03:15] <Dai> and does have to be rebuilt.  the actual bits that control the functions of the card?  binary.  not open.
[03:16] <bjsnider> i'm not sure i see the point
[03:16] <bjsnider> or i guess the relevance
[03:16] <bjsnider> the original question was about which graphics platform was the best
[03:16] <bjsnider> it's not even close
[03:17] <Dai> no, intel.
[03:17] <Dai> as far as openness and support
[03:17] <test34> the point is that sometimes the driver need to be recompiled to work with the latest kernel
[03:17] <bjsnider> the others aren't even in the big leagues yet
[03:17] <test34> if you don't have the source you can't do it, so you have to wait for nvidia to do it
[03:17] <Dai> test34: no, the kernel module needs to be recompiled
[03:17] <bjsnider> we patch the bits that control kernel compiles
[03:18] <Dai> and you CAN get the source for that.
[03:18] <bjsnider> when necessary
[03:18] <bjsnider> but nvidia always releases updates for that quickly
[03:18] <Dai> yep
[03:18] <bjsnider> they supported the .31 kernel within days of it being released
[03:18] <EruditeHermit> hi can anyone help me with grub2? Before I installed it, I had a timeout, but now grub2 immediately starts the OS. However in the confuguration file, it does have a line that does set timeout=3
[03:18] <test34> I had an intel i810 before, it didn't work great
[03:19] <test34> bjsnider, days is slow, if you could compile it yourself it could be hours
[03:20] <bjsnider> it takes AMD months
[03:20] <bjsnider> unless you use one of the many FOSS drivers, which don't work
[03:22] <test34> never tried an AMD video card, I guess I'll try to avoid them
[03:23] <mjbrooks> test34, that would be your best bet
[03:23] <test34> mjbrooks, AMD video ?
[03:24] <mjbrooks> test34, AMD/ATI  terrible
[03:24] <test34> mjbrooks, what is my best bet?
[03:24] <bjsnider> mjbrooks, which of the many drivers did you try?
[03:24] <mjbrooks> test34, to avoid them (ATI)
[03:24] <test34> ok
[03:25] <mjbrooks> NVIDIA FTW... proprietary or not, they work
[03:25] <test34> so intel or nvidia... I guess I'll stick with nvidia;)
[03:25] <nostahl> ive had great luck with my intel chipset
[03:26] <nostahl> its nice when a company works well with opensource devs
[03:26] <bjsnider> actually the devs work for intel in that case
[03:27] <test34> nostahl, yes I agree they have lots of open source drivers for all kind of hardware
[03:29] <test34> nostahl, which chipset ?
[03:29] <nostahl> 950
[03:29] <mjbrooks> intel gives me warm fuzzies, but for video I still like NVidia ;)
[03:30] <nostahl> i love the intel conventions
[03:30] <Dai> 965 here, and aside from the fun with regressions in jaunty, i've been happy with it
[03:33] <wastrel> my thing is i upgraded, and then my computer was broken
[03:33] <test34> do they make video cards or they only do motherboard integrated  ?
[03:33] <bjsnider> you upgraded to an unstable distro
[03:34] <wastrel> i know ubuntu is broken :]
[03:36] <test34> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/eglibc/2.10.1-0ubuntu12 -> might fix nvidia bug
[03:38] <maccam941> is there a known bug with pulseaudio hogging CPU?
[03:39] <test34> maccam941, I get some apps that use pulseaudio that get 100% cpu (that is just after the sound stop working)
[03:40] <maccam941> all i've got going is firefox and pidgin
[03:40] <maccam941> my laptop will just start getting really hot, and that's my only cue that pulse has lost it
[03:40] <maccam941> it takes up 100% of the cpu, killing it makes it behave again for a while
[03:41] <test34> maccam941, does you sound still work when that happens ?
[03:41] <test34> you->your
[03:41] <maccam941> i don't know, i've had it on mute :-\
[03:42] <maccam941> regardless, it shouldn't grab 100% of the cpu...
[03:43] <test34> maccam941, get a quad core, maybe it will only use 25%... (just kidding)
[03:43] <maccam941> lol, more like 50% (it's a dual core :-P)
[03:44] <maccam941> my other major issue right now is that the window managers keep going bonkers
[03:44] <maccam941> metacity/compiz keep hanging/crashing, and i've got to replace them manually
[03:44] <XmagusX> Does anyone have any information as to the status of sound in wine/wine1.2?
[03:44] <test34> I wish I didn't have to use pulseaudio, it creates problems, but also solves some... so I just have to kill it once in a while
[03:46] <nostahl> man i havnt had a single problem with pulseaudio i feel sorry for all of you guys
[03:47] <maccam941> i think pulse is a good idea, it just sucks when it fails
[03:53] <XmagusX> Pulse is worse that IE.  Having a browser that deeply integrated into the OS is bad enough -- but audio software?  That's just daffy.
[03:54] <IdleOne> does pulse report your audio listening habits ?
[03:55] <Dai> s/software/subsystem
[03:56] <Dai> it's not even remotely similar to IE there
[04:04] <test34> you can even kill pulse and your sound get fixed
[04:09] <EruditeHermit> hi, when you reboot in karmic, does anyone else notice that it never goes to bios post?
[04:09] <EruditeHermit> it just reboots the kernel
[04:11] <arand> EruditeHermit: wat? does it go to grub though?
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> arand, nope
[04:12] <arand> Hm, that's cool, although, I'm not sureI'd like it.
[04:12] <EruditeHermit> usplash does the backward progressbar for shutting down, and then immediately it comes back for starting up
[04:12] <EruditeHermit> its not really cool
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> in practice
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> because you can't choose different grub options
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> unless you shut down
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> arand, do you mind posting your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[04:13] <arand> exactly, and ifyou wabt to boot from cd etc,, hmm
[04:14] <arand> man I can't spell right now
[04:15] <maccam941> it's doing kexec now?
[04:15] <EruditeHermit> maccam941, is that meant for me?
[04:15] <EruditeHermit> what is kexec
[04:15] <arand> EruditeHermit: hang on I need to ffire up vbox
[04:18] <maccam941> in relation to the rebooting thing
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> I have kexec-tools package installed
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> is that causing the problem?
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> I don't know how it got installed
[04:19] <maccam94> wifi dropped
[04:19] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: kexec is a kernel option/system call to boot another kernel without doing a full reboot
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, I had kexec-tools installed, does that cause the problem?
[04:20] <maccam94> on another note, holy %^& i can finally view saved passwords in Network Manager, instead of just displaying the hash
[04:20] <EruditeHermit> i don't know how it got installed
[04:20] <maccam94> interesting
[04:20] <maccam94> one sec
[04:21] <maccam94> i don't have it installed
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> ok
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> i'll uninstall it
[04:21] <maccam94> idk what you would need it for
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, how did you get nm to show passwords?
[04:22] <arand_k> EruditeHermit: http://pastebin.com/f3709290b < grub.cfg
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> arand_k, thanks
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> arand_k, I think it was doing kexec reboots
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> btw, how fast does karmic boot for you guys
[04:22] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: edit connections, edit a connection, go to the wireless security tab, and check Show password
[04:23] <EruditeHermit> it takes well over a minute for me
[04:23] <maccam94> i don't like the new X boot screen
[04:23] <maccam94> it doesn't match the previous screen at all
[04:23] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, when I do that, it gives me a long password that wasn't the one I put in
[04:23] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: i used to get a bunch of numbers and letters (the hash i presume)
[04:23] <test34> EruditeHermit, slow compared to ubuntu stable version (but I don't have exact timings)
[04:23] <arand_k> maccam94: the gdm one?
[04:24] <maccam94> now it asks me to unlock the keyring, and it works when i check the box
[04:24] <maccam94> arand_k: yeah
[04:24] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, i still get the hash
[04:25] <arand_k> maccam94: that's just a broken placeholder, iirc devs mentioning
[04:25] <maccam94> the X splash should appear to continue that boot screen, and then fade the background in
[04:25] <maccam94> oh? linky? (i would be quite relieved if that's the case)
[04:26] <EruditeHermit> ok let me reboot to see if kexec was the problem
[04:26] <EruditeHermit> brb
[04:26] <arand> maccam94: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/425720
[04:27] <arand> maccam94: have you seen the proposed boot looks?
[04:28] <maccam94> thanks
[04:29] <test34> arand, have you seen it? (where?)
[04:31] <arand> test34: maccam94: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlCVrtgxVcI&NR=1 for example all suggestion in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[04:31] <webbb82> i have karmic installed at the moment but i was thinkin bout going back to jaunty so i can install kde with gnome  can karmic have kde and gnome liike jaunty
[04:31] <webbb82> is there any reason to go back to jaunty
[04:31] <maccam94> arand: just found the second link myself, looking at the vid now
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, you were right
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> kexec reboot was happening
[04:32] <EruditeHermit> thanks for fixing it =)
[04:33] <maccam94> arand: do you know if that is the leading proposal right now?
[04:34] <arand> Nope, but any of those seem pretty nice
[04:34] <test34> thanks arand, looks alot better then the placeholder;)
[04:34] <arand> maccam94: hmm, seems like my vbox karmic does go through grub on restart.
[04:35] <maccam94> arand: somehow EruditeHermit got kexec-tools installed
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> what is a placeholder?
[04:36] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: something that will be replaced with an actual thing before the final release
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> right
[04:36] <maccam94> oh the X splash screen
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> but what component
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> ok
[04:36] <arand> there is actually a _slightly_ better one that's in the xsplash-team ppa (you'll have to downgrade to their version though)
[04:36] <EruditeHermit> where did you get better o nes?
[04:36] <webbb82> do the jaunty repos work in karmic koala
[04:37] <maccam94> the brown thing with the silver floopy thing
[04:37] <maccam94> webbb82: depends on the app
[04:37] <webbb82> ok  im just having a hard time i f  i should stay with karmic or go back to jaunty
[04:37] <webbb82> just weighing my options
[04:38] <arand> on the ppa one the "throbber" actually looks as if it's not freaky-broken.
[04:38] <EruditeHermit> can you link me to your replacements?
[04:40] <arand> EruditeHermit: There aren't any proper replacements out currently, but th one here is a slight improvement (you need to "downgrade" to this version: https://launchpad.net/~xsplash-team/+archive/ppa
[04:42] <EruditeHermit> cool
[04:42] <maccam94> i don't like the background image though
[04:42] <maccam94> there needs to be some transition between the black boot screen and the desktop
[04:43] <EruditeHermit> I think usplash just needs to go away
[04:44] <EruditeHermit> i don't know why they decided against plymouth
[04:44] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: i think the amount of effort to switch isn't worth the amount of time people will see it
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> well
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> I still see it for 50seconds to a minute
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> =p
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> if they get it down to 10 seconds, i wouldn't mind
[04:45] <EruditeHermit> =p
[04:45] <maccam94> i think i see it for 25-30
[04:47] <EruditeHermit> they said boot would be down to 10s for karmic
[04:47] <maccam94> on specific hardware
[04:47] <EruditeHermit> given that my hardware is a little old, I would have expected 20s
[04:47] <EruditeHermit> 10s on a netbook
[04:47] <EruditeHermit> my hardware is probably better than a netbooks
[04:48] <maccam94> it's also probably more complicated
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> well
[04:48] <maccam94> there aren't that many netbooks, and they all use pretty much the same chipset
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> let me bootchart it
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> see what is happening
[04:48] <EruditeHermit> brb
[04:51] <maccam94> so the facebrowser isn't making it into 9.10?
[04:52] <pwnguin> it's not?
[04:52] <pwnguin> what do i have then?
[04:56] <maccam94> pwnguin: ...that was a question
[04:56] <maccam94> i'm reading through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[04:56] <pwnguin> i just upgraded my laptop today, there's a name browser currently
[04:56] <pwnguin> donno about faces
[04:57] <maccam94> "added the facebrowser preview by Mat Tomaszewski (although we won't see that in Karmic"
[04:57] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, 53seconds according to bootchart
[04:57] <EruditeHermit> =(
[05:00] <pwnguin> mac, it's a wiki, anyone can add stuff; that quote is part of some mockups by one guy
[05:00] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: any obvious culprits? also try adding fastboot to your kernel line in grub
[05:01] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, what does fastboot do?
[05:01] <maccam94> it was introduced in 2.6.30, it's supposed to do some asynchronous magic when the kernel starts to speed things up
[05:03] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, ok, i'll try that next
[05:03] <EruditeHermit> I think my disk throuput is really bad
[05:04] <EruditeHermit> also I get a warning on boot saying my disk is about to die
[05:04] <EruditeHermit> =(
[05:04] <EruditeHermit> I am going to backup stuff now
[05:05] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: bad sectors?
[05:05] <EruditeHermit> yes
[05:05] <maccam94> how many?
[05:05] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[05:05] <EruditeHermit> how do I find out?
[05:06] <maccam94> click on the little hard disk/exclamation icon in the notification area, and click on your hard disk
[05:06] <maccam94> then click Details
[05:06] <maccam94> find Reallocated Sector Count
[05:06] <EruditeHermit> ok
[05:06] <EruditeHermit> 65537
[05:06] <maccam94> o_O
[05:06] <maccam94> also reallocation count
[05:06] <EruditeHermit> is that bad?
[05:07] <EruditeHermit><PHONE_NUMBER>7
[05:07] <maccam94> close the details window
[05:07] <EruditeHermit> write error rate 25150
[05:07] <maccam94> what does it say for assessment?
[05:07] <EruditeHermit> Passed
[05:07] <EruditeHermit> The disk has bad sectors
[05:08] <maccam94> yeah i've got 4 bad sectors, so i don't think it's a big deal
[05:08] <EruditeHermit> ok, but 4 vs<PHONE_NUMBER>7
[05:08] <EruditeHermit> i think I win
[05:08] <maccam94> i don't get how your disk would pass SMART if you really had that many write errors and bad sectors
[05:08] <EruditeHermit> or lose in this case
[05:09] <Dai> maccam94: not surprising, i just had one die that apparently doesn't support smart
[05:09] <Dai> it's an external though
[05:09] <maccam94> yeah, but the palimpset utility is giving conflicting info
[05:09] <maccam94> if the disk is failing due to bad sectors, don't say that it passes the assessment
[05:10] <maccam94> if the bad sectors aren't a big deal, don't tell me at every bootup that my hard disk is failing
[05:10] <Dai> i only found out about it when it started only mounting intermittently and then i ran fsck on it and it was showing short read errors on more sectors than not
[05:10] <EruditeHermit> well is it failing or not?
[05:10] <EruditeHermit> how do I tell
[05:11] <maccam94> write errors are bad
[05:12] <maccam94> i don't get how your smart isn't failing if you really have that many bad writes
[05:12] <maccam94> 65537 is also a suspicious number
[05:13]  * arand is trying to build the latest xsplash from bzr, to see if there are any news...
[05:13] <maccam94> lol, i love how i can't seem to get any splash whatsoever on my gentoo box
[05:18] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, is it safe to post bootchart results?
[05:18] <maccam94> what do you mean?
[05:19] <EruditeHermit> there isn't info on there that can be used for malicious purposes right?
[05:24] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, also do you know of any good backup programs/utilities
[05:24] <maccam94> EruditeHermit: all it does is say what services you start
[05:25] <maccam94> so unless you're running a server with no passwords you're probably good, and even then someone would have to find your IP
[05:25] <EruditeHermit> maccam94, http://imagebin.org/63901
[05:25] <EruditeHermit> finding my IP isn't hard
[05:25] <EruditeHermit> =p
[05:25] <EruditeHermit> compare that to
[05:25] <EruditeHermit> http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=ubuntu_910_boot&image=ubuntu_mini9_910_lrg
[05:26] <EruditeHermit> their disk throughput is 74MB/s, mine is 14MB/s max
[05:26] <EruditeHermit> brb going to try a fastboot boot
[05:27] <maccam94> wtf, xulrunner 1.9?
[05:28] <madberry> Joe__: What kind of problems?
[05:28] <Joe__> xserver wont start
[05:28] <Joe__> i have nvidia card
[05:29] <madberry> Joe__: did you install a proprietary drivers?
[05:29] <Joe__> yes
[05:30] <Joe__> it was all working until i updated today
[05:31] <madberry> Joe__: I see you might have to convert back to the nv driver to fix the problem
[05:44] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[05:44] <EruditeHermit> fastboot slowed my boot down
[05:48] <arand> bzr packaging fail... /goodnight
[05:51] <DanaG> hmm, external drives don't often support SMART.
[05:52] <mjbrooks> sheesh and people complain that linux is tough to install and cryptic at times.. yeah right. It's a snap compare to this poor client laptop that's brand new out of the box.
[05:53] <mjbrooks> I'm seriously considering putting Kubuntu on it with KDE4.3 and telling them it's Windows 9
[05:54] <Joe__> lol
[05:54] <Joe__> they wont believe u
[05:54] <Joe__> it will work too well
[05:54] <mjbrooks> lol
[05:54] <EruditeHermit> they'll come back and say, why can't I install applications
[05:54] <EruditeHermit> but other than that, a foolproof plan
[05:55] <mjbrooks> or maybe, call it Windows OSX!!
[05:55] <EruditeHermit> X Windows!
[05:55] <SwedeMike> I bought a new computer the other day with vista on it, took approx 5 hours and 8-10 reboots before it had a fully patched Vista on it. Installing linux on it from usb stick took less than 15 minutes :P
[05:55] <EruditeHermit> it will be closer to truth
[05:55] <mjbrooks> just throw AWN at the bottom
[05:55] <mjbrooks> heh
[05:55] <SwedeMike> and that was with vista being factory installed
[05:56] <EruditeHermit> the factory sucks
[05:56] <EruditeHermit> =p
[05:56] <pwnguin> anyone else have a gray rectangle in the window decoration theme?
[05:57] <pwnguin> i wonder if nouveau is responsible, or just a lack of 3d
[05:58] <mjbrooks> I haven't played with themes much
[05:58] <mjbrooks> but then again, I'm on KDE  not much themes are interesting yet
[05:59] <mjbrooks> I did change from the default though... I hate those radio button window decorations
[05:59] <Joe__> yea
[06:00] <Joe__> i dont like the oxygen them
[06:00]  * mjbrooks is using Bespin   kinda neat actually
[06:05] <mjbrooks> time to see if libc6-2.10.1-0ubuntu12 and libc6-i686-2.10.1-0ubuntu12 made it to the repos yet
[06:07] <mjbrooks> meh... what's the delay?
[06:07] <Joe__> they dont want u to have it
[06:07] <Joe__> :)
[06:09] <EruditeHermit> takes them 6hours after building to sync
[06:09] <EruditeHermit> or some time
[06:09] <EruditeHermit> was 6hrs for something I wanted a while back
[06:10] <mjbrooks> EruditeHermit, Queued 5 hours ago, finished 2 horus ago (took 2 hours, 55 minutes, 10.6 seconds)
[06:11] <mjbrooks> you can downlead it manually, but I'd prefer to apt-get it
[06:13] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[06:13] <EruditeHermit> it takes them some hours to sync with the servers
[06:14]  * mjbrooks jumps up and down anxiously
[06:14] <EruditeHermit> in my experience, many hours
[06:15] <mjbrooks> EruditeHermit, your killing me!!!
[06:15] <EruditeHermit> just download and install it
[06:15] <mjbrooks> lol
[06:15] <EruditeHermit> its the same thing
[06:15] <EruditeHermit> it was a kernel build I was waiting for
[06:15] <EruditeHermit> its the same file
[06:16] <mjbrooks> it won't much with future updates?
[06:16] <mjbrooks> muck
[06:19] <EruditeHermit> nope
[06:19] <EruditeHermit> its the SAME file that gets sent to the mirrors
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> they just can't sync after each build
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> its inefficient
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> so they sync at various points during the day
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> every few hours
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> mjbrooks^^
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> but since its libc6, make sure you have the dependencies
[06:20] <EruditeHermit> =p
[06:30] <mjbrooks> EruditeHermit, hence my hesitation... I'd rather wait, as painful as it is =P
[06:37] <DKcross> hey people
[06:38] <DKcross> http://www.soygik.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/olivia_karmic2_super.png  :D funny  wallpaper, well i think :\
[06:38] <DKcross>  i like it
[06:43] <mjbrooks> cute
[06:46] <eut> hello
[06:46] <mjbrooks> bonjour!!
[06:46] <eut> how can i get flash working?
[06:47] <mjbrooks> on Karmic?
[06:47] <eut> yes
[06:47] <mjbrooks> ubuntu?
[06:47] <mjbrooks> or one of the variants
[06:47] <eut> xubuntu
[06:47] <eut> firefox as well
[06:48] <mjbrooks> I believe... sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:49] <mjbrooks> It was so automagic this time around I honestly didn't even notice
[06:49] <eut> i had more problems then usual this time :/
[06:50] <mjbrooks> really? I'm sorry to hear that
[06:50] <eut> openoffic problem, gcc4.4 + nvidia problem, flash, grub
[06:51] <mjbrooks> ah... so you were bit by the recent glibc6 breaking nvidia issue recently?
[06:52] <mjbrooks> er.. libc6 rather
[06:53] <eut> i'm not entirely sure, but the gcc4.4 and cuda problem
[06:53] <mjbrooks> don't mind me, I'm uber multi-tasking
[06:55] <mjbrooks> sounds different... did you get past it or are you still having issues with it?
[06:55] <eut> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=99139
[06:56] <eut> wrote a script that modifies the /usr/bin/gcc link to point to gcc-4.3 when i'm compiling stuff :P
[06:57] <mjbrooks> nice
[06:57] <mjbrooks> I haven't had to deal with cuda... at least knowingly
[06:58] <eut> heh
[06:58] <eut> i initially started using karmic because i wanted 64bit and the 9.04 64bit installer kept failing
[07:01] <mjbrooks> oooh... double the fun... 64bit AND Alpha!!
[07:06] <eut> when does karmic officially release?
[07:07] <mjbrooks> End of October
[07:07] <mjbrooks> 29th I believe
[07:08] <eut> ah yes i see it now
[07:08] <Artemis3> eut flash working? thats so simple
[07:08] <eut> Artemis3, yes, got it working with restricted-extras
[07:09] <eut> the package manager failed to install it when firefox prompted me to install flash
[07:09] <Artemis3> you put the .so file in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[07:09] <Artemis3> done
[07:10] <eut> wat .so file?
[07:10] <eut> what*
[07:10] <Artemis3> no no... restricted will put the 32bit one
[07:10] <Artemis3> remove all that junk
[07:10] <JanC> for flash on a 64-bit system, you should use the alpha plugin from Adobe (which Canonical is not allowed to distribute :( )
[07:10] <Artemis3> ndiswrapper (now its called differently)
[07:11] <JanC> Artemis3: ndiswrapper is for network drivers  ;)
[07:11] <eut> Artemis3, well its working for me now
[07:12] <JanC> eut: the 64-bit alpha version from Adobe is much more stable than the nsplugin-wrapper + 32-bit plugin that Adobe forces Canonical to distribute
[07:12] <Artemis3> yes 64 bit flash from adobe page
[07:12] <Artemis3> you have to hunt and destroy any other libflashplayer.so in your system :)
[07:12] <eut> JanC, how can i get the 64-bit alpha from Adobe?
[07:13] <eut> ugh... where were you both 30 minutes ago -_-
[07:13] <JanC> eut: I was doing other things, sorry  ;)
[07:14] <eut> can i just simply remove the restricted-extras?
[07:14] <eut> or purge them
[07:15] <JanC> purge them should work I suppose
[07:16] <Artemis3> oh yes wrong wrapper :P
[07:16] <Artemis3> nsplugin...
[07:17] <Artemis3> i think it says mozilla in the name now
[07:17] <Artemis3> thing to wrap 32bit plugins, i removed it.
[07:19] <Artemis3> what i do for post install new systems, i mask ubuntu-restricted-extras to install, but before proceeding remove the nsplugin thingie
[07:19] <Artemis3> mark
[07:19] <JanC> anybody else having chrome errors with firefox 3.5 since they provided language packs for it?
[07:20] <Artemis3> File is here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[07:20] <eut> ok thanks, got it working
[07:20] <Artemis3> oh they did? i downloaded a language pack on my own :)
[07:20] <JanC> or is this only a dutch language pack problem?
[07:21] <Artemis3> i didnt see my language pack at all so i went to mozilla's page and searched for one, and installed that
[07:22] <Artemis3> marked as "experimental" and all, didnt see any problems
[07:22] <JanC> it's in language-pack-<TLD>-base
[07:23] <Artemis3> atm there is none for mine :)
[07:23] <JanC> might be a good idea to try mozilla's language packs instead
[07:23] <JanC> to see if the bug is Ubuntu-specific
[07:30] <MindVirus> I have a list of bugs. 1) podsleuth doesn't recognize my iPod. 2) Pulseaudio crashes every 20 minutes with 100% CPU usage. 3) startupmanager depends on grub but should depend on grub || grub-pc.
[07:30] <MindVirus> For #2 the only way to kill it is -9.
[07:37] <JanC> MindVirus: you sure startupmanager works with grub2?
[07:37] <MindVirus> JanC: almost.
[07:37] <MindVirus> JanC: 99%.
[07:39] <JanC> Artemis3: where did you download separate language packs for firefox?
[07:40] <Artemis3> in the add ons page
[07:40] <Artemis3> search "Dutch Language Pack"
[07:40] <JanC> meh, isn't there  :-(
[07:40] <Artemis3> that should do
[07:42] <MindVirus> JanC: Is it possible to test?
[07:44] <JanC> MindVirus: if you mean if it's possible to test if startupmanager is 100% compatible with grub2, then no idea
[07:44] <Artemis3> now that i see, i cant seem to find one for dutch atm :(
[08:23] <Q-FUNK> could it be that we have a broken gnome-settings-daemon in karmic?
[08:30] <JanC> Q-FUNK: personally I have no issues, but didn't reboot since yesterday
[08:30] <JanC> or re-login
[08:31] <Q-FUNK> here, my left-handed mouse randoml becomes right-handed and left-handed again
[08:39] <JanC> Q-FUNK: that sounds pretty weird  :P
[08:39] <Q-FUNK> it's a typical issue when g-s-d is broken
[08:41] <JanC> although I have seen some mouse-related issues myself where X randomly seems to think single clicks are double-clicks (I didn't report anything yet as I should reboot first though)
[08:43] <sparr> When I leave my computer on overnight, the screen blanks.  When I come back in the morning, I can only get it to 'wake up' by powering the monitor off and back on, or by changing the screen resolution (such as by starting a game or changing to a virtual terminal).  After <1 second the screen blanks again.  The monitor does not power down, nor does it receive no signal.  Help?
[08:49] <Q-FUNK> JanC: that too.  probably g-s-d as well
[08:52] <JanC> sparr: I suggest you file a bug
[08:55] <sparr> JanC: will if october gets much closer and i cant get anyone here to confirm it
[08:57] <JanC> sparr: the earlier you file a bug the better
[08:58] <sparr> I find that to rarely be the case
[08:58] <JanC> sparr: remember that bugfixes need testing too
[08:59] <sparr> yes, and bugs with no explanation or supporting reports don't get tested or fixed
[09:00] <JanC> if you don't report, nobody can confirm them
[09:13] <GobiTheGoblin> Hi there, can anyone help me on failing Nvidia installer? I Got this up and running, with uninstalling it, but now I pressume the log file is gone. But it is saying that there is A confliction with OpenGl driver, and it searching 2 files which one was like this: libnvidia-tls.so.1  from /usr/lib/tls but found them on /usr/lib. This happened late at the installation, in sanity check.
[09:13] <GobiTheGoblin> I pressume there it installs them in wrong directory, or the uninstall was not complete or something... anyone care to take a shot?
[09:22] <vallhalla81> hey there i just upgraded to the beta 9.10 but now when i boot after grub it loads then sits on a black screen some time around the splash
[09:23] <vallhalla81> i have tryed recovery mode in grub and run dpkg and checked the disks but no solution has arived
[09:24] <GobiTheGoblin> vallhalla81: What graphic card do u have?
[09:24] <vallhalla81> any sugestions?
[09:24] <vallhalla81> nvidia
[09:25] <GobiTheGoblin> Yea... i messed my system with it too... but one guy yesterday (my time) solved with changing xorg.conf "driver" drom nvidia to nv
[09:25] <vallhalla81>  GobiTheGoblin: nVidia Corporation GeForce 9500 GT
[09:26] <GobiTheGoblin> failsafe is to "rename" xorg.conf totally, so it loads the basic version
[09:26] <GobiTheGoblin> vallhalla81: try changing the xorg.conf
[09:27] <GobiTheGoblin> vallhalla81: It might just do the trick
[09:27] <vallhalla81> GobiTheGoblin: ok ty
[09:55] <vigo> Is alpha 6 in the update/upgrade or is it a dist thing?
[10:00] <vigo> Nevermind, I just read the MOTD thing, whoops
[10:32] <vigo> If I put the Edbuntu in with the Karmic am I still on Karmic or how do I tell?
 anybody else having chrome errors with firefox 3.5 since they provided language packs for it?
[10:44] <JanC> ^^^ is going to be fixed  ;)
[10:45] <obi1-46> y > !grub2
[10:45] <obi1-46> !grub2
[10:47] <vigo> JanC: I still have FF3.0 and FF3.5 on here, I think.
[10:48] <mac_v> anyone know how to identify the module , my bluetooth is using?
[10:50] <vigo> mac_v: maybe here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843012&highlight=radio
[10:51] <vigo> That is alot of Audio stuff, but I think the Terminal line is in there for those dongles.
[10:53] <mac_v> vigo: hmm... not about the headset , but i wanted to blacklist bluetooth from loading :)
[10:53] <vigo> wait, maybe not, still looking....
[10:53] <GobiTheGoblin> is it now default that gdm is running in init 3?
[10:53] <mac_v> bluetooth is inhibiting my suspend and hibernate
[11:01] <mac_v> lol , ,its just plain "bluetooth" ;)
[11:01] <vigo> mac_v: Found this: http://fosswire.com/post/2008/10/better-bluetooth-audio/
[11:02] <mac_v> vigo: thanks , :) , but unfortunately i dont use any bluetooth devices :(
[11:02] <mac_v> i wanted to prevent it from loading
[11:03] <eagles0513875> anyone have any documentation or compiling x from source
[11:03] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: problems with nvidia?
[11:03] <eagles0513875> ya GobiTheGoblin im duel booting on a macbook pro and karmic for some reason just doesnt like starting x for me at all
[11:04] <eagles0513875> its a mac specific video card the 9400M
[11:04] <eagles0513875> which in the log it didnt show as supported
[11:04] <eagles0513875> what im not getting though GobiTheGoblin is that jaunty works just fine
[11:04] <vigo> mac_v: Right, so I found that page, undo or look at back pages, is like reverse engineering or something, like do_not_load_XYZ in Ruby.
[11:04] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Well, I am my self battling with nvidia... and latest updates so really don't know about that..
[11:05] <mac_v> vigo: ah... ok thanks :)
[11:05] <vigo> or Ruby like.
[11:05] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: humm im not much help as  i cant even get a clean install of karmic on a machine but i have one on a vm :( which wont help much
[11:05] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: whats the issue you are having
[11:06] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: After updates nvidia crashed.. so I uninstalled, now i cannot reinstall it comes with error:  http://pastebin.com/m2a5d148e
[11:06] <eagles0513875> ouch
[11:07] <eagles0513875> thing is i tried to install the 185 driver in the repos and that didnt even work what so ever i lost any video to the monitor with it
[11:07] <eagles0513875> so im running the generic nv driver
[11:07] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: yea :D well, i take this like a learning experience :D
[11:07] <eagles0513875> ya
[11:07] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, the nvidia problem... was it a black screen at boot?
[11:07] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: ya afterbooting nothing would show up on the screen
[11:08] <eagles0513875> with out the nvidia-glx-185 driver installed i would at least get to a tty console and can work via command line
[11:08] <mjbrooks> that's a known bug that was introduced with an update to libc6 and libc6-i686
[11:08] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: im on the 64bit version
[11:08] <eagles0513875> O_o
[11:09] <eagles0513875> i just thought of something
[11:09] <mjbrooks> fix released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[11:09] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: If you rename xorg.conf you get the defaults...
[11:09] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: there is a blank xorg.conf
[11:09] <eagles0513875> or its non existent form what i have seen in my vm
[11:09] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Oh dear. well now its over my expertice
[11:09] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: brought up something i didnt know
[11:10] <eagles0513875> libc6 and the i686 32bit version
[11:10] <eagles0513875> i wonder if i install the ia32libs if that would fix anything
[11:10] <mjbrooks> I think it affects 64bit too
[11:11] <eagles0513875> bah
[11:11] <eagles0513875> has a bug been filed against this
[11:11] <eagles0513875> and mjbrooks what bout the newer 185 driver
[11:11] <mjbrooks> fix released, I was waiting on the repos to sync up
[11:11] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, it's for the 185 driver
[11:11] <MindVirus> I have a list of bugs. 1) podsleuth doesn't recognize my iPod. 2) Pulseaudio crashes every 20 minutes with 100% CPU usage. 3) startupmanager depends on grub but should depend on grub || grub-pc.
[11:11] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: will you let me know when they do as i would like to give that a shot and see if it fixes my duel boot issue
[11:11] <mjbrooks> the comment on 180 was in error
[11:11] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[11:12] <mjbrooks> oen sec  checking now
[11:12] <mjbrooks> I know it was compiled... the repostory just hadn't synced up earlier and I got dostracted
[11:12] <mjbrooks> distracted
[11:12]  * mjbrooks too much single malt scotch to type  ;)
[11:13] <eagles0513875> what time is it there mjbrooks
[11:13] <mjbrooks> wow... is my ISP doggin tonight
[11:13] <mjbrooks> 3:13a
[11:14] <mjbrooks> you?
[11:15] <eagles0513875> 1215pm here
[11:16] <mjbrooks> I have to ask... where is that?
[11:18] <JanC> 1215pm sounds like continental Europe
[11:18] <JanC> or some parts of Africa...
[11:21] <mjbrooks> apt-get update is taking forever... is there some major server load going on or is it just me?
[11:21] <jpds> mjbrooks: Which mirror are you using?
[11:21] <mjbrooks> us.archive.ubuntu.ocm
[11:21] <mjbrooks> meh
[11:22] <mjbrooks> figures... I say that and it start picking up a bit more
[11:22] <jpds> mjbrooks: us.archive is in London, try picking a closer one from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[11:23] <mjbrooks> is it?  whoops
[11:23] <Haegin> why is the US archive in the UK? that makes no sense.
[11:23] <mjbrooks> my thought exactly... thanks for the heads up though
[11:23] <jpds> Haegin: Would you like to take the load of several gigabits of bandwidth a second?
[11:24] <jpds> mjbrooks: Anyway, there seems to be a fair number of US mirrors you can pick from.
[11:24] <Haegin> jpds: no, but I'm sure there are datacentres in the US that could
[11:25] <jpds> Haegin: Well, I've myself have tried to ask them if they want to take the pressure, and the answer most give is they can't handle it.
[11:25] <eagles0513875> JanC:  island of malta
[11:25] <eagles0513875> and rest of central europe
[11:25] <jpds> s/them/some datacenters companies/.
[11:25] <Cyberkilla> Hello
[11:26] <Cyberkilla> My last update (this morning) has made the computer unable to reach GDM
[11:26] <Haegin> jpds: oh ok, I wonder if there would be performance increases in setting the mirror to the nearest location at install time.
[11:26] <Cyberkilla> In fact, I don't think it manages to start X at all.
[11:26] <JanC> eagles0513875: CE(S)T is used for most of continental Europe actually (including Belgium where I live)
[11:26] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, yeah the bugfix is there in the repos now
[11:27] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: if Nvidia check this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[11:27] <TheInfinity> Cyberkilla: nvidia graphics? :
[11:27] <Cyberkilla> No xsplash either. I can get it to boot if I change my display driver to NV.
[11:27] <Cyberkilla> Yes
[11:27] <Cyberkilla> Thanks: )
[11:27] <eagles0513875> im in the mediteranean sea on the island of malta JanC
[11:27] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: thanks for the heads up :)
[11:28] <eagles0513875> will try after lunch
[11:28] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla,  that's the one I was just talking about.. bigfix released and in the repos
[11:28] <Cyberkilla> I did an update just a few minutes ago, but no luck. I'll check again now.
[11:29] <JanC> eagles0513875: I know where Malta is, just wanted to point out that most of Western & Central Europe use the same timezone because that's easier for businesses  ;)
[11:29] <eagles0513875> right
[11:29] <Cyberkilla> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:29] <eagles0513875> apologies
[11:29] <JanC> no apologies needed  :-)
[11:30] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla, it's libc6-2.10.1-0ubuntu12 and libc6-i686-2.10.1-0ubuntu12 that you need
[11:30] <JanC> we're actually up to almost 2 hours away from the "natural" time where I live because of that  ;)
[11:31] <Cyberkilla> mjbrooks, I've had nothing but trouble with the recent nvidia drivers. I've actually been running 185.18.14, because anything more recent will give me artefacts and spontaneous system reboots.
[11:32] <Cyberkilla> But, it was working until last night, when I updated and rebooted my computer.
[11:32] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla, interesting... well, this particular bug has to do with libc6 even though it showed itself with nvidia
[11:33] <GobiTheGoblin> I got it working =) Finnally :D
[11:33] <GobiTheGoblin> I downgraded those libs and then I reinstalled those nvidia drivers
[11:33] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, you update to 0ubuntu12 or just followed my workaround on the bug page?
[11:34] <GobiTheGoblin> mjbrooks: workaround.. after that the installation was succesfull
[11:34] <Cyberkilla> mjbrooks: Any idea why it still doesn't work for me? My issue shows itself by repeatedly flickering my screen - almost as if it is constantly trying to change the resolution, failing, then trying again.
[11:35] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla, flickering is a different issue than the black screen bug
[11:35] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, looks like I'll have to downgrade the packages too. I was hoping I could wait it out.
[11:36] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla, supposedly the 0ubuntu12 version of libc6 and libc6-i686 resolves it.... I'm about to find out ;)
[11:36] <Cyberkilla> It's not so much flickering as, every few seconds, the screen does what it does when X starts normally (the resolution changes, so I get a little flicker/jump for an instant)
[11:36] <mjbrooks> now that it's propogated to the repositories
[11:37] <mjbrooks> if you have libc6-2.10.1-0ubuntu11 installed than that is probably your issue
[11:37] <mjbrooks> s/than/then/
[11:38] <Cyberkilla> I'll check, but the update manager insists that there are no updates available.
[11:39] <mjbrooks> I forget what the apt command is to check the version installed
[11:39] <mjbrooks> I've been spoiled by having apt-show-versions installed
[11:39] <Cyberkilla> Yeh, I can't seem to memorise them either.
[11:40] <Haegin> anyone know what caused bug 330824 and/or when the fix will arrive?
[11:40] <Cyberkilla> oh
[11:40] <Cyberkilla> I have found libc-dev-bin, which is 2.10.1-0ubuntu11
[11:40] <mjbrooks> just try doing an install of it... it will complain with the version
[11:40] <Cyberkilla> still looking for the actual package
[11:40] <Cyberkilla> okay
[11:40] <GobiTheGoblin> now I have downgraded those libs, do I have to some way lock them so they wont be updated automatically?
[11:40] <mjbrooks> sudo apt-get install libc6
[11:41] <Cyberkilla> Yes, I've found it. It's the bad package
[11:41] <mjbrooks> yes... pin them
[11:41] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla, your repository might just behind in the sync
[11:41] <Cyberkilla> Ah! I didn't consider that. I do use an obscure one, because it's faster from my location.
[11:41] <mjbrooks> 0ubunutu12 is compiled and being sent our
[11:41] <Cyberkilla> I'll wait
[11:42] <mjbrooks> out
[11:42] <ZzIppo__> Acer Aspire One 531 / Eee 900 /AO D250 / manually partition the disk. partitioning menu, but any changes I make aren't actually applied.!?? "No root file system is defined" message ,, back 2 previos screen,, can"t install,, ,, Alpha 5 September 3rd is ok,!? daily live is fubar,,cant install!?  ,, why what!?
[11:42] <mjbrooks> the good news is it's fixed  ;)
[11:42] <Cyberkilla> : )
[11:43] <Cyberkilla> Lovely, it's available. I've switched to the main UK server
[11:43] <Cyberkilla> Thanks for the tip
[11:44] <mjbrooks> NP
[11:45] <GobiTheGoblin> btw. Is it common knowledge that at least in netbook-remix the partition part of installation is flawed?
[11:47] <GobiTheGoblin> ...should I tell someone about it?
[11:49] <Cyberkilla> Back in a minute, just rebooting to see if it fixed the issue.
[11:49] <vistakiller> any serious problem with karmic?
[11:49] <vistakiller> i am ready to upgrade my kubuntu
[11:50] <GobiTheGoblin> vistakiller: Well, it is a dev version so there is...
[11:50] <ZzIppo__> Alpha5 daily live even Aspire 5100 same 2,, 14 septemper,, UNR and regular Ubuntu daily live fubar,,  dloading 15 septemper,,   any change!?
[11:50] <vistakiller> i know
[11:50] <vistakiller> four years now i upgrade to alpha
[11:50] <vistakiller> to do some bug reports
[11:51] <vistakiller> but i ask because i am boring to fix serious problems :P
[11:51] <GobiTheGoblin> vistakiller: :D I am just a n00b in this, Today my sport was to battle with nvidia =) luckly it was solved
[11:52] <vistakiller> :)
[11:54] <GobiTheGoblin> vistakiller; I don't know if this concerns you but installing it in dual boot may not work
[11:54] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: you installed the nvidia-glx-185 driver ?
[11:54] <GobiTheGoblin> vistakiller: Manual partition in installer do not work, at least with me
[11:54] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: on the alternate cd it works for me
[11:54] <eagles0513875> but then i have issues with boot camp picking up the partition since the only partition i can install grub2 to is the efi partition i have
[11:55] <eagles0513875> :(
[11:55] <vistakiller> i think grub 2 installed only to clean install
[11:55] <vistakiller> is not upgrade
[11:55] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: k, i'll take that one next if I get panicked :D
[11:55] <eagles0513875> heheh
[11:55] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing with my nvidia issue
[11:55] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: lets see if mine gets resolved here as well
[11:58] <mjbrooks> I swear... if comcast sees a torrent running, they are throttling the whole connection
[11:58] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: you install the 185 driver
[11:59] <mjbrooks> trying to
[11:59] <eagles0513875> it installed for me
[11:59] <eagles0513875> running updates atm
[11:59] <mjbrooks> trying to intsll the libc6 that is
[12:00] <GobiTheGoblin> the new libc6 works for me
[12:00] <mjbrooks> stoo[id comcast
[12:00] <mjbrooks> glad to hear
[12:01] <mjbrooks> I'm glad my workaround helped so many while they waited for a fix too
[12:01] <eagles0513875> well hopefully same for me
[12:01] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: what work around was it and where were u yesterday when i was working on this lol
[12:01] <mjbrooks> bwahahaha
[12:01] <mjbrooks> it's listed in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[12:02] <Cyberkilla> Well, it worked, sort of.
[12:02] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: :) didnt think anyonw else was having that issue to be honest
[12:02] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I was probably trying to workaround it ;)
[12:02] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:02] <Cyberkilla> The new libc6 has stopped the problem.
[12:02] <eagles0513875> :)
[12:02] <eagles0513875> good im happy at least
[12:02] <eagles0513875> i can help the mozilla team properly instead of through a vm
[12:02] <Cyberkilla> Unfortunately, the upgrading I did has installed the most recent NVidia driver
[12:02] <Cyberkilla> Which gives me artifacts.
[12:03] <eagles0513875> i installed the 185 version in the repos
[12:03] <Cyberkilla> I'll have to downgrade back to 185.18.14 until they sort it out.
[12:03] <mjbrooks> Cyberkilla, good plan
[12:03] <eagles0513875> Cyberkilla: what version of 185 is in the repos
[12:03] <Cyberkilla> 185.18.36, isn't it?
[12:03] <eagles0513875> also i tried using nvidias drivers and someone told me since i did that that the community wouldnt be able to provide me wiht support
[12:03] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: I downgraded libc6 as the workaround suggested, then i reinstalled nvidia without problems
[12:03] <Cyberkilla> I've tried the 190.x.x versions too, but no success. Artifacts, then crash.
[12:04] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: sh ./NVID... --uninstall ?
[12:04]  * mjbrooks refills his scotch glass
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, I'm not sure what that command does, as I only install from the repository. I should try completely removing all traces, then installing again.
[12:05] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> But I'm not entirely sure how to achieve that.
[12:05] <zniavre> i just updated libc6 , can i try to install nvidia driver now or it' still broken ?
[12:05] <GobiTheGoblin> with apt-get remove --purge
[12:05] <GobiTheGoblin> i believe
[12:06] <GobiTheGoblin> zniavre: Here it ok
[12:06] <GobiTheGoblin> it is
[12:06] <Cyberkilla> Ah, I think I've already tried that. For some reason, none of the later drivers work.
[12:06] <Cyberkilla> *for me, that is.
[12:07] <zniavre> GobiTheGoblin,  ok i will try so
[12:07] <zniavre> thank you
[12:07] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: sudo apt-get uninstall --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy nvidia-glx-new nvidia-settings
[12:07] <GobiTheGoblin> sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy nvidia-glx-new nvidia-settings
[12:07] <Cyberkilla> Thanks, I'll try that now.
[12:07] <zniavre> you can try remove --purge nvidia*
[12:07] <GobiTheGoblin> But I cannot say whether it works or not, as I use those NVidias onw installer
[12:08] <Cyberkilla> zniavre, that always seemed to select other packages that were not entirely related.
[12:08] <zniavre> let s reboot and see
[12:09] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:09] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: did nothing for me
[12:09] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:10] <Cyberkilla> Wow, his wildcard worked this time.
[12:10] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: darn
[12:10] <eagles0513875> heheh wildcard for the win
[12:10] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:10] <eagles0513875> i dunno y i have a hunch im gonna have to compile x from source with a newer version
[12:10] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:11] <zniavre_> GobiTheGoblin,  it works thank you again
[12:12] <GobiTheGoblin> zniavre_: You are wellcome =)
[12:12] <GobiTheGoblin> *learns to type
[12:12] <Cyberkilla> zniavre, did you install the drivers again? I think my problem is that I'm on a Vaio. In Vista, NVidia would not allow me to install the stock drivers. Apparently, "Sony will provide you with custom drivers, to enable extra functionality"
[12:13] <Cyberkilla> But it's just an 8400M GT
[12:14] <zniavre_> Cyberkilla,  yes just installed again with ubuntu tools (i do not know the name in english sorry)
[12:14] <zniavre_> im with fx550 173.14.20 legacy driver
[12:15] <Cyberkilla> That's okay, thanks anyway
[12:15] <Cyberkilla> Oh, 173..
[12:15] <Cyberkilla> I don't think I can got that far back.
[12:17] <GobiTheGoblin> Have anyone tried to install with Envy? I do not know if it's any good, but as a last resort... ...
[12:18] <eagles0513875> i have a 9400M which doesnt seem to be supported in the version of x that comes with karmic
[12:18] <Cyberkilla> No, in fact, it's the first I've heard of it.
[12:18] <eagles0513875> !info envy
[12:18] <eagles0513875> !envy
[12:18] <eagles0513875> ohhhhh i like that
[12:19] <Cyberkilla> Oh
[12:20] <Cyberkilla> That's what my problem is (I neglected to reinstall nvidia-common). No wonder I can't get jockey to find any drivers now.
[12:20] <GobiTheGoblin> working now?
[12:20] <eagles0513875> sigh
[12:21] <eagles0513875> not for me
[12:21] <Cyberkilla> Well, the list of drivers is coming up; whether installing them is artifact free, I'll know in a few mintues.
[12:21] <eagles0513875> im trying to remove the 185 driver and see if i can get anything with nv
[12:22] <eagles0513875> ~")£%7
[12:22] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Weird thing that it is not working... 'cause if the xorg.conf is empty it "should" use the defaults
[12:22] <eagles0513875> still nothing but with out the 185 driver i get to a tty console at least
[12:22] <eagles0513875> well i look in the xorg log and in the list of video cards that are supported im not seeing my 9400M
[12:22] <eagles0513875> and those cards are made for macs only
[12:22] <Cyberkilla> Does jockey even bother to update xorg.conf? Whenever I used the damned thing, I always have to set the driver in the conf file manually.
[12:23] <Cyberkilla> Okay, I'll be back in a moment. Thanks again for the help.
[12:24] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: :( nothings working for me
[12:24] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Where are you now exactly? How far you go with boot etc?
[12:25] <eagles0513875> it boots all the way cept x crashes yet again and takes me to tty1
[12:25] <eagles0513875> iif i hit startx it says at one point fatal server error no screens found :(
[12:25] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: And you use Nvidias own drivers or from repos?
[12:26] <eagles0513875> right now the default nv module
[12:26] <eagles0513875> what ever that is i dunno
[12:26] <eagles0513875> if i have the 185 from the repos i cant even get to tty1
[12:26] <eagles0513875> i have to go into runlevel1
[12:28] <GobiTheGoblin> k. wanna try Nvidias own drivers?
[12:28] <GobiTheGoblin> and installer
[12:29] <eagles0513875> i could but wats the point at this time GobiTheGoblin if its throwing me an error saying no screens found O_O#
[12:30] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg ?
[12:30] <GobiTheGoblin> do you have net ok?
[12:30] <eagles0513875> ya im in runlevel 2 but in tty 1 console
[12:30] <eagles0513875> i reinstalled
[12:31] <GobiTheGoblin> and no go?
[12:31] <eagles0513875> no go
[12:31] <mac_v> weird... i get "/dev/sda6 is mounted.  e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting." and "fsck died with exit status 8" the sda6 is my /home
[12:31] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: what im trying to figure out makes no sense to me cuz the version of x in jaunty works just fine
[12:32] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Go some safe dir and wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run
[12:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:32] <eagles0513875> man thats a long link
[12:32] <eagles0513875> does that driver support the 9400m
[12:32] <GobiTheGoblin> it doesn't say.. but what you got to lose
[12:33] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: i need the 64bit version btw
[12:33] <GobiTheGoblin> oh
[12:33] <GobiTheGoblin> a sec
[12:33] <eagles0513875> thanks bud
[12:33] <GobiTheGoblin> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.run
[12:34] <cyberkilla> Back
[12:35] <cyberkilla> Damn, it didn't work. I'm still getting artifacts with that driver.
[12:35] <eagles0513875> i got no x cyberkilla so consider urself lucky m8
[12:35] <cyberkilla> Doesn't NV work for you?
[12:36] <eagles0513875> no
[12:36] <eagles0513875> nv drops me down to a tty1 console
[12:36] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: btw have you updated sources and downloaded all recent updates?
[12:36] <eagles0513875> ya will update again after this
[12:36] <eagles0513875> before installling the driver
[12:37] <cyberkilla> Nobody else seems to be reporting the issue I'm having with artefacts in the latest drivers. I've even checked the nvidia forums.
[12:37] <GobiTheGoblin> Have you included pre-released  and unsupported updates?
[12:37] <cyberkilla> It makes me think it's a problem specific to my computer, but I haven't done anything out of the ordinary.
[12:37] <GobiTheGoblin> I think that resent fix is in them
[12:38] <eagles0513875> well im using my local repos
[12:38] <eagles0513875> so not sure if they have been synced with the main ones
[12:38] <GobiTheGoblin> that is how I got the new libc6 working without downgrades
[12:39] <GobiTheGoblin> a sec
[12:39] <eagles0513875> what version is ur libc6 if i saw correctly mine was upgraded to 2.10
[12:39] <eagles0513875> im all upgraded
[12:39] <GobiTheGoblin> yep, and the first one that came was buggy
[12:39] <GobiTheGoblin> later came fix to that
[12:40] <GobiTheGoblin> 2-4h ago or something
[12:40] <eagles0513875> blarg will wait
[12:40] <eagles0513875> how long do syncs take to porpegate to all mirrors and all that
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> depends on the mirror
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> we have a mirror that syncs every day
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> some sync every 6 hourse i guess
[12:41] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: U know how to edit sources.list?
[12:41] <GobiTheGoblin> comment out those backports and pre-releases
[12:41] <eagles0513875> been a while
[12:42] <GobiTheGoblin> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <eagles0513875> hold on let me see if i get any where with the driver from nvidia
[12:42] <eagles0513875> have the splash screen
[12:42] <eagles0513875> YAY
[12:42] <GobiTheGoblin> but it not good if libc6 is the old version
[12:42] <eagles0513875> its working
[12:42] <eagles0513875> haha
[12:42] <GobiTheGoblin> og
[12:42] <eagles0513875> woohoo
[12:42] <GobiTheGoblin> oh
[12:42] <GobiTheGoblin> :D
[12:42] <eagles0513875> the nvidia driver in the repos is borked
[12:43] <GobiTheGoblin> everything is go?
[12:43] <eagles0513875> ya im logging into the desktop as we speak
[12:43] <eagles0513875> im tempted now to take a risk on something
[12:43] <GobiTheGoblin> gr8 :D
[12:43] <cyberkilla> Are you using NV now?
[12:43] <eagles0513875> no cyberkilla the driver from nvidia
[12:44] <cyberkilla> Hmm, I might have to try that. Whatever is in the repository is faulty for me.
[12:44] <GobiTheGoblin> i'll go to have some lunch, bb for a while ?=
[12:45] <GobiTheGoblin> =)
[12:45] <cyberkilla> : )
[12:51] <GobiTheGoblin> pizza with beer, yummy and unhealthy :P
[12:51] <GobiTheGoblin> cyberkilla: Did you try with nvids own installer?
[12:52] <cyberkilla> Not yet
[12:52] <cyberkilla> Will it require a reinstall every time the kernel updates?
[12:52] <eagles0513875> cyberkilla: repo driver fault for me as well
[12:53] <eagles0513875> cyberkilla: it shouldnt i dont think
[12:53] <cyberkilla> How do I remove if if I change my mind?
[12:53] <eagles0513875> good question
[12:53] <GobiTheGoblin> sh ./NVI.... --uninstall
[12:54] <cyberkilla> Okay, so I need to keep the installer file.
[12:54] <GobiTheGoblin> yep
[12:55] <cyberkilla> Fair enough: ) I'll try it now.
[12:55] <GobiTheGoblin> backup everything as usual
[12:55] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin:  what cyberkilla said regarding updates to the kernel
[12:55] <eagles0513875> do you have to reinstall
[12:55] <GobiTheGoblin> I am not sure
[12:56] <cyberkilla> The ubuntu package uses DKIM to do it automatically, I think.
[12:56] <eagles0513875> hahah thats great feverything is crashing on me all of a sudden
[12:56] <eagles0513875> jockey-kde crashed twice as well as cupsd
[12:56] <cyberkilla> But I'm not sure what the installer will do, especially with regards to hibernation/suspending
[12:56] <cyberkilla> I think I might be a coward and stick with 185.18.14 for now
[12:57] <GobiTheGoblin> cyberkilla: with me it is working
[12:57] <GobiTheGoblin> tough.. i have new kernel too
[12:57] <eagles0513875> what version of the kernel GobiTheGoblin
[12:57] <eagles0513875> im on the last one thats out for karmic
[12:57] <GobiTheGoblin> a sec
[12:57] <eagles0513875> im on 2.6.31-10-generic
[12:59] <GobiTheGoblin> 2.6.31.hmmm uname returns just a custom
[13:00] <GobiTheGoblin> a sec
[13:01] <floating1> 14:57:12 < LutherICE> max sux tbh, well well =)
[13:01] <floating1> oops
[13:03] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: try uname -a
[13:03] <eagles0513875> that should give u more details
[13:05] <GobiTheGoblin> well this is a dead end, but i got the source from repos
[13:05] <GobiTheGoblin> so ...
[13:05] <GobiTheGoblin> what is the newest in there yesterday
[13:05] <eagles0513875> most likelt 2.6.31-10-generic
[13:05] <GobiTheGoblin> it is same series 2.6.31 i know that
[13:06] <GobiTheGoblin> well I rebuilded it last nite
[13:06] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin:  might wanna have u walk me through how to do it
[13:07] <GobiTheGoblin> 2.6.31-custom # SMP it says
[13:07] <GobiTheGoblin> uname -a that is
[13:07] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: gotcha
[13:11] <GobiTheGoblin> Now I am getting to think that I rebuilded that last kernel... so I didn't do anything else but waisted my time...
[13:11] <cyberkilla> :O
[13:11] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: dont say taht
[13:12] <eagles0513875> im sure you removed alot of precompiled hardware stuff that u dont need
[13:12] <eagles0513875> for instance i would like to take out teh compiled amd and ati stuff
[13:12] <GobiTheGoblin> Well, it gives that option tough
[13:12] <cyberkilla> Thing is, if he's running Karmic, isn't there a new version every few days? Doesn't that mean you'll need to recompile again and again?
[13:13] <eagles0513875> well i know for release we will be on 2.6.32 usually the odd numbered kernels are dev kernels
[13:13] <GobiTheGoblin> well if you want to use sources.. yes. and with my laptop (karmic) It takes a whiiiiiiiiiiiiiile
[13:13] <eagles0513875> humm
[13:13] <cyberkilla> There's something else I've been wondering...
[13:13] <GobiTheGoblin> +1h
[13:14] <eagles0513875> ouchie
[13:14] <cyberkilla> In the repositories, there are source packages, and binary packages...
[13:14]  * eagles0513875 needs to learn how to package things
[13:14] <cyberkilla> What are the source packages for? Are those compiled on the fly, specifically for your system?
[13:14] <eagles0513875> cyberkilla: think of them like this the binary packages are like setup.exe in windows and source allow you to tailor the software to the hardware you have
[13:15] <cyberkilla> Instead of just downloading a precompiled generic package? I never understood that.
[13:15] <Dr_Willis>  Not on the fly
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> if you want the source - you can get the source via them
[13:15] <eagles0513875> ?
[13:15] <eagles0513875> and source you compile them for the specific hardware you have
[13:16] <cyberkilla> I see, so I can't just click a button in synaptic and expect it to grab the source and "install" it as normal, but compile first.
[13:16] <cyberkilla> I suppose that's a bit much to ask. I just wondered, because emerge does something like that, doesn't it?
[13:16] <eagles0513875> cyberkilla: command line its sudo apt-get source koffice for example
[13:17] <eagles0513875> that will pull the source package for koffice from the repos
[13:17] <eagles0513875> cyberkilla: it wont install it as normal
[13:17] <eagles0513875> you go through the steps urself
[13:17] <eagles0513875> yourself
[13:17] <cyberkilla> I see
[13:17] <eagles0513875> so ./configure or cmake then make then make install
[13:17] <cyberkilla> Okay, that makes sense.
[13:18] <eagles0513875> basically if you have issues with a program that is currently in the repos you can get its source and compile the save version urself
[13:18] <eagles0513875> *yourself
[13:19] <cyberkilla> Okay, restarting X
[13:19] <cyberkilla> back in a moment
[13:20] <arvind_khadri> hi, lib32asound-plugins is reported to be broken by aptitude, unable to install flash
[13:20] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: use ubuntu-restricted-extras to install all the restricted formats from audio to flash to java
[13:21] <mac_v> !logs
[13:22] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, they both are the same flash, i had updated earlier today and then aptitude did some conflict resolution..
[13:22] <eagles0513875> strange let me see if i have the same issues on kubuntu give me a sec
[13:23] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: I think this is it... http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-source
[13:23] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: seems to be downloading just ifne here on kubuntu gonna be a lil while till it finishes
[13:23] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: ??
[13:23] <eagles0513875> whats that
[13:24] <GobiTheGoblin> the kernel i rebuilded
[13:24] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[13:24] <eagles0513875> :)
[13:24] <Cyberkilla> Well, the old drivers are still working, so I have 3D acceleration for now.
[13:25] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: So something is working :-)
[13:25] <eagles0513875> hehe glad i got mine working
[13:25] <eagles0513875> i was ready to dump linux duel boot all together on my map
[13:25] <eagles0513875> but now its fine :)
[13:25] <Cyberkilla> Empty victory though, as every single update nags me to install the latest drivers. Since they don't work, I have no viable upgrade path, when it comes to my video card.
[13:26] <eagles0513875> Cyberkilla: you try the latest from nvidia site
[13:26] <Cyberkilla> I have Vista, hidden at the front of the disk in a tiny partition. I'm hoping I won't have to use it again.
[13:26] <eagles0513875> bleh
[13:26] <eagles0513875> i couldnt tarnish my macbook pro with duelbooting with windows
[13:26] <eagles0513875> this desktop with vista is enough
[13:27] <Cyberkilla> eagles0513875, I would, but it looks like I need to reinstall every time the kernel updates. Probably not economical when I'm running an Alpha.
[13:27] <eagles0513875> i dont think you do
[13:27] <Cyberkilla> No? Well, I'll look into it later, and see if it's worth trying. I usually end up with ACPI problems when I use the stock driver, but I promise I'll try at some point:)
[13:30] <GobiTheGoblin> I'll have to go to work. bb all and cya =)
[13:48] <vigo> 2 days until A6?
[13:48] <Cyberkilla> : )
[13:48] <Cyberkilla> looks like it
[13:50] <vigo> Sweet, now I can see that Karmic Logo  on boot, looks neato
[13:51] <Cyberkilla> You can? The one without the messed up vertical throbber?
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> id be happy if my sound stopped 'popping'
[13:51] <Cyberkilla> I get that too
[13:51] <Cyberkilla> I know the solution too, I believe
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> 'throbber' ... heh heh heh..
[13:51] <Cyberkilla> They have added another line into the alsa config
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> :P
[13:52] <Cyberkilla> It puts the card to sleep
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> Thats what it sounds like.. card initilizing or somthing..
[13:52] <Cyberkilla> I'm not certain, but that is what I heard on the forum, and I checked it myself.
[13:52]  * Dr_Willis dident even know you COULD put sound cards to sleep.
[13:52] <Cyberkilla> Funny thing is, I don't get it as often in Compiz. It happens much more frequently in Metacity
[13:53] <Cyberkilla> Me neither. It's not fun how they keep adding random lines to my config files! How dare they.:P
[13:55] <vigo> Can I use UbOne to run a site?
[13:56] <edgy> Hi, In my systemsettings, I have an icon called "Other" whereas on another pc it's called Network Manager I think, which one is true and  how can I reset it?
[13:58] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, its fixed now...
[14:08] <Cyberkilla> Hmm
[14:08] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:08] <Cyberkilla> Vigo, I don't think it's meant to work like that.
[14:08] <Cyberkilla> Hello:)
[14:08] <vigo> Thank You Cyberkilla.
[14:15] <Cyberkilla> I rebooted after someone mentioned the new xsplash was released. I'm not seeing it.
[14:17] <arand> Cyberkilla: nah, not yet.
[14:18] <arand> Cyberkilla: there is a slightly better version if you add https://launchpad.net/~xsplash-team/+archive/ppa and downgrade...
[14:19] <vigo> Cyberkilla: Was just a quick blink before the normal, is like a tilted Ubuntu sketch but all Karmic and neato looking.
[14:20] <Cyberkilla> Thanks, I tried that yesterday, but there was nothing to upgrade. Then, I read that whilst it was more recent, it was chronologically an older package than the one in the main repository.
[14:21] <Cyberkilla> I'll try the downgrade: ) I'm interested to see what they are *actually* planning to do, because it looks a bit shabby at the moment. I'm sure that is to be expected, however.
[14:21] <sarmisak> hi all
[14:21] <Cyberkilla> hello
[14:21] <sarmisak> I have a major problem with my bluetooth mouse, I cannot open bt preferences and also when my system starts it asks for granting the bt mouse
[14:22] <sarmisak> even I check 'always allow' it keeps on asking
[14:22] <sarmisak> its a m$ 5000 bt notebook mouse
[14:24] <arand> Cyberkilla: And there are some very nice mockups, e.g: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grc7hNSgtag&hl=en&fs=1&hd=1
[14:25] <arand> Although I'm not sure the'll manage to get it that smooth, but one can always hope... (karmic+1(+1(+1))?)
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> karmic ^2
[14:25] <duffydack> any way to replace the new sound prefs with something more like jaunty yet? or are we stuck with it
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> i dident even notice any new sound prefs
[14:26] <arand> duffydack: you can always run the alsa mixer from terminal
[14:26] <duffydack> arand, not going into it all again but thats not a solution
[14:26] <duffydack> nevermind
[14:27] <arand> But I still haven't found where to edit the specific sounds, atm it seems to be all or nothing, with no config...
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> thats more user friendly :)
[14:27]  * duffydack thinks about trying kubuntu ...
[14:29] <arand> hmm, not yet for me, but i guess when gnome3 gets into ubuntu I'll get on kde for a couple of releases, so things can settle down...
[14:31] <Cyberkilla> The mockups are beautiful. They are relatively simple too.
[14:32] <Cyberkilla> Anybody seen Haiku? Their boot screen is good. A nice, native res logo with 5 icons underneath.
[14:32] <Cyberkilla> The icons fill with colour/light up as the OS boots
[14:32] <Cyberkilla> It's very clean, efficient and it lets you know roughly what it's doing.
[14:33] <Cyberkilla> The worry with Ubuntu is that xsplash will be the same for before AND after login.
[14:33] <Cyberkilla> This makes it seem a bit weird to me. I wonder if it's possible for them to make the xsplash screen after login slightly different, as a visual cue that it's doing something different.
[14:34] <Cyberkilla> Also, since they are starting X early, the "splash" parameter in GRUB is not useful at all. It still loads xsplash, so the console remains hidden.
[14:35] <vigo> I love BeOS, still have an original on my little old AMS Tech
[14:35] <Cyberkilla> wow
[14:36] <Cyberkilla> I'm keeping an eye on Haiku. From what I've heard, the task scheduling system in BeOS was/is revolutionary.
[14:37] <Cyberkilla> And the fact that it doesn't have QT, GTK, GNOME/KDE, ALSA, JACK, X11 and the myriad of other things which provide the same functionality, it looks very appealing to me - and efficient.
[14:39] <Cyberkilla> I'm a sucker for those old interfaces too. I have been searching for a professional-looking "Windows XP Classic" theme for Ubuntu for a while now. It is the pinnacle for productivity, because it isn't ugly, but it isn't beautiful either.
[14:39] <Cyberkilla> I did find a windows 2000 theme, but that one is too old. It has all of those nasty bevels that Windows 98 had.
[14:40] <GobiTheGoblin> offtopic: Have you guys heard about this: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/
[14:40] <Cyberkilla> I'm going to be ostracized for saying that, aren't I?: )
[14:42] <Cyberkilla> *fast* ssh? Never heard of it, but I want it:) I know it's encrypted, but I'm lucky if I get 20KB/s on my 8Mb/s connection to a dedicated server with no other users. I've obviously set something wrong:P
[14:42] <arand> Cyberkilla: nah, xp set to classic, is definitely a brilliant theme.
[14:42]  * duffydack gives Cyberkilla an ostrick
[14:42] <Cyberkilla> : )
[14:42] <duffydack> ostrich*
[14:42] <GobiTheGoblin> it got me interested too :D
[14:44] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: Did u got the 3d working?
[14:44] <Cyberkilla> Yes, I did. I'm afraid that I resorted to using the 185.18.14 drivers, but I'm satisfied for now:)
[14:44] <Cyberkilla> Thanks again for the help, btw.
[14:45] <GobiTheGoblin> Cyberkilla: np =)
[15:03] <GobiTheGoblin> omg.. first time ever, I tried my IR to my laptop and ... it ... is working out of the box... omg.
[15:03] <GobiTheGoblin> I haven't even tried this on windows... threw it to drawer when I bought this :P
[15:04] <eagles0513875> lofl
[15:04] <Cyberkilla> Wow
[15:04] <GobiTheGoblin> shutdown my laptop by mistake thinking well this isn't gonna work :P
[15:04] <eagles0513875> anyone know of an ubuntu channel that works with video drivers as well as xorg stuff for the ubuntu line
[15:05] <eagles0513875> lol GobiTheGoblin
[15:06] <GobiTheGoblin> can't say i do..
[15:11] <ripps> Is gnome-cards gone from the repos? What am I suppose to do without freecell?
[15:11] <Cyberkilla> :O
[15:11] <Cyberkilla> Work?:D
[15:11] <Cyberkilla> hehe
[15:11] <Cyberkilla> I uninstalled them a while ago, to stop distractions:P
[15:12] <Cyberkilla> I have read in the forum that some of those packages were missing. gnometris, I think.
[15:12] <Cyberkilla> I don't think anyone responded though.
[15:12] <ripps> This isn't a work machine, and I needs ma cards!
[15:12] <GobiTheGoblin> there were some others games removed..  but I didn't care about them so much
[15:13] <albert23> ripps: install aisleriot and you get more then only freecell
[15:14] <Cyberkilla> "Every gnome-game has its own package now."
[15:14] <hary> Epiphany 2.26.1 shows bullshit: http://meinbingen.de/picpool/temp/sep09-no-view-meinBingen.de.png ...whats the point?
[15:14] <Cyberkilla> That's what they are saying in the forum.
[15:14] <ripps> Oh... I see, they've all been bundled into one app
[15:14] <Pici> !language | hary
[15:15] <elops> a mount keeps being added to my mtab file, any idea why this might be? i may have added something somewhere a while back that did this, but i cant remember where... it is not in fstab --  http://pastebin.com/d27473af
[15:17] <hary> Pici :  pref. charset 8859-1 / lang: de-de, de
[15:17] <Pici> hary: I mean the cursing.
[15:17] <elops> noone was able to help me
[15:17] <elops> even in #ubuntu-development
[15:17] <hary> ubottu: family friendly?
[15:18]  * duffydack likes kubuntus "kmix" a lot more than ubuntus new method
[15:18] <Cyberkilla> Epiphany is really buggy, it seems.
[15:18] <elops> Pici: may you?
[15:18] <Cyberkilla> They are geared to gecko, but recently ported over to webkit
[15:18] <Cyberkilla> The Webkit isn't a final release yet, afaik.
[15:18] <Cyberkilla> There is an epiphany channel on the gnome server, isn't there?
[15:19] <hary> I'm not cursing -- I dont get you
[15:20] <elops> a mount keeps being added to my mtab file, any idea why this might be? i may have added something somewhere a while back that did this, but i cant remember where... it is not in fstab --  http://pastebin.com/d27473af
[15:21] <hary> what about the topic: no view in Epiphany ?
[15:21] <IdleOne> hary: the BS word you used is considered cursing
[15:21] <hary> google.com or dict.leo.org ... same error
[15:21] <IdleOne> pretend there are 5 year olds here who can hear what your saying
[15:22] <hary> ahhh ...okay
[15:22] <IdleOne> thank you :)
[15:22] <GobiTheGoblin> elops, what is the drives name that you don't want to mount?
[15:23] <hary> topic: no view in Epiphany http://meinbingen.de/picpool/temp/sep09-no-view-meinBingen.de.png
[15:24] <GobiTheGoblin> elops, are you using other mounting progs, pysdm etc.?
[15:24] <hary> Epiphany 2.26.1
[15:26] <hary> Epiphany 2.26.1 shows wron: http://meinbingen.de/picpool/temp/sep09-no-view-meinBingen.de.png ...whats the point?
[15:28] <hary> Epiphany 2.26.1 shows wrong: http://meinbingen.de/picpool/temp/sep09-no-view-meinBingen.de.png ... any idea?
[15:28] <GobiTheGoblin> hary, if I am not wrong it, 2.26.1 uses firefox 2 engine... ?
[15:28] <arvind_khadri> !patience | hary
[15:30] <GobiTheGoblin> hary, I think that is some kind of font problem
[15:30] <hary> GobiTheGoblin : have a hint?
[15:32] <GobiTheGoblin> hary, wait a sec and i try to look up
[15:34] <hary> GobiTheGoblin : thnks a lot 4 help
[15:37] <GobiTheGoblin> hary, is there in Epighany any options regarding script usage?
[15:38] <hary> GobiTheGoblin: I  set in font/colors the following feature  "off": "allow pages to use own fonts" or so
[15:38] <hary> can read now, again
[15:38] <GobiTheGoblin> hary, so solved?
[15:39] <hary> for me at this point: yes
[15:40] <hary> another quest aboutTTF's :
[15:41] <hary> former ubuntu's I place my files in /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[15:41] <hary> after this I have my fonts ... not so in Karmic ... isthis changed?
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> im lazy and put mine in .fonts  but im just a single user on this system.
[15:42] <GobiTheGoblin> there seems to be a fonts dir in /etc/fonts
[15:43] <GobiTheGoblin> cant say really yes or no to that
[15:43] <Dr_Willis> i wouldent think they would to in /etc/
[15:43] <GobiTheGoblin> there is too /usr/share/fonts
[15:43] <Dr_Willis> check one of the truetype font packages and see where it puts them
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> or try 'locate .ttf'   perhaps?
[15:44] <GobiTheGoblin> and /usr/local/share/fonts
[15:44] <wastrel> i upgraded yesterday and it broke my koala
[15:44] <GobiTheGoblin> wastrel, let me guess: nvidia?
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. 8800gtsxxx working here.
[15:44] <wastrel> yeah!  :]
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> I need tog et a new video card some day
[15:45] <GobiTheGoblin> wastrel, there was a problem in libc6
[15:45] <wastrel> yeah i read the bug
[15:45] <GobiTheGoblin> wastrel, updated again?
[15:46] <wastrel> no i changed to vesa in xorg.conf
[15:46] <wastrel> i'll update when i get home tonight
[15:46] <GobiTheGoblin> update again it might just do it
[15:46] <wastrel> was interestting, after i switched to vesa nautilus was crashing
[15:46] <GobiTheGoblin> but do not (at least first) try to uninstall those drivers
[15:46] <wastrel> well switching to vesa fixed it so i'm running fine
[15:47] <wastrel> just without compiz.
[15:47] <wastrel> yeah i'll try updating tonight
[15:48] <judgen> Hmm still problems with nvidia.
[15:53] <GobiTheGoblin> have you guys heard anything about that bluetooth? Fixes... etc?
[15:54] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: you think i should try upgrade from grub one to 1
[15:54] <eagles0513875> one to 2
[15:54] <GobiTheGoblin> ty, i'll give a shot =)
[15:55] <eagles0513875> well when doing a clean install of karmic i ran into issues with boot camp for some reason not seeing my karmic partition
[15:55] <eagles0513875> as well as grub2 only wanting to be installed in the efi partition and nowhere else
[15:56] <wastrel> bluetooth i need to remember to blacklist that module
[15:56] <eagles0513875> if i try anywhere else i get an error saying it cant be installed here blah balh blah
[15:56] <wastrel> i should just turn it off in bios, no reason to have that chip sucking power
[15:56] <eagles0513875> wastrel: why not write a script that you run and it blacklists it for u
[15:57] <wastrel> well it's a one-time fix, so a script wouldn't really save any work
[15:59] <eagles0513875> well wastrel it could also benefit others though
[15:59] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: what you think bout my other issue with grub 2 and boot camp
[15:59] <GobiTheGoblin> Don't really have opinion just looking into that.
[16:00] <eagles0513875> thanks :) will brb need to get a bottle of h2O
[16:00] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, and now I have to run downstairs to play working man game.. .:P
[16:00] <eagles0513875> ?
[16:01] <eagles0513875> ill give it a shot
[16:01] <eagles0513875> if worse comes to worse i know how to fix the video issue
[16:02] <eagles0513875> random question all is there smc support in karmic
[16:05] <BluesKaj> smc ?
[16:12] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, my grup version is 1.97~beta3
[16:12] <GobiTheGoblin> grub
[16:16] <knittl> hi, is it save to upgrade initscripts?
[16:16] <knittl> because it tries to remove *a lot* of other packages
[16:17] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: your not on mac hardware are u by any chance duel booting on a macbook pro
[16:18] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, no sry
[16:18] <eagles0513875> thats what im worried about
[16:18] <eagles0513875> screw it ill give it a shot
[16:18] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, look this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[16:22] <eagles0513875> this makes utterly no f** sense
[16:24] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, not working i assume..
[16:25] <eagles0513875> it is
[16:25] <eagles0513875> but then again i havent fully removed grub 1
[16:25] <eagles0513875> i need to run update-from-grub-legacy but i have no idea where to do it from
[16:27] <vistakiller> i just upgrade to kubuntu 9.10
[16:27] <vistakiller> all the programmes works fine
[16:27] <vistakiller> the only problem is that i dont have sound in flash player
[16:27] <vistakiller> any idea?
[16:28] <sunshinepants> which flash plugin are you using
[16:28] <vistakiller> the official
[16:29] <GobiTheGoblin> how did you install it?
[16:29] <vistakiller> i have upgrade from kubuntu 9.04
[16:29] <vistakiller> i think is upgrade and flash player
[16:29] <vistakiller> first i have some problem with the sound and in other programmes
[16:30] <vistakiller> i have done something strange to work the sound
[16:30] <vistakiller> i go to system settings and i put first pulseaudio to sound
[16:30] <vistakiller> and after i put the sound card again
[16:31] <vistakiller> i have sound now in all the programmes expect flash
[16:31] <GobiTheGoblin> I don't have lot of time right now, but check this out: http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-install-flash-player-10032-right.html
[16:31] <vistakiller> ok thanks
[16:31] <vistakiller> and asoundconf is not work anymore
[16:31] <[31d1]> random question I came across trying to debug my kind of hosed system: is there _supposed_ to be an 's' at the bottom of /lib/init/upstart-job
[16:32] <vistakiller> they have remove it
[16:32] <[31d1]> line 46 is just 's'
[16:38] <Usambara> hello
[16:40] <zniavre> damned i crashed again
[16:42] <vistakiller> is better to remove pulseaudio?
[16:50] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: what was the link to that nvidia bug you linked me earlier
[16:50] <AlanBell> just had a karmic update and restart
[16:50] <AlanBell> no network manager running now
[16:51] <Usambara> AlanBell: sudo dhclient eth0 will help you
[16:52] <AlanBell> it does indeed
[16:53] <AlanBell> has it been reported already?
[16:53] <Dark-Star> what's the best way of getting WLAN to work with (x)ubuntu-9.10? my card is detected as wlan0 but it seems I need to configure it manually somehow? the nm-applet is not really working for me...
[16:54] <[31d1]> i did an upgrade and restart, and booting hangs on samba trying to start. and 'initscripts and upstart' are being held back, which sounds suspiciously why that sort of thing would happen :)
[17:01] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, No that was for the grub and macbook pro compatibility
[17:02] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: im talking bout that nvidia bug u linked in launchpad
[17:03] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, u need it?
[17:04] <eagles0513875> im trying to justify the means of using the driver from the nvidia website and why it should be in karmic
[17:04] <GobiTheGoblin> http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-install-flash-player-10032-right.html
[17:04] <GobiTheGoblin> sry
[17:04] <GobiTheGoblin> not that
[17:04] <GobiTheGoblin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[17:04] <GobiTheGoblin> i think it was that
[17:05] <eagles0513875> thats it GobiTheGoblin thanks
[17:05] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, np =)
[17:05] <wastrel> my space bar on my keyboard isn't working well :[
[17:06] <GobiTheGoblin> wastrel, use suck-o-matic 2000 to clean it ;)
[17:06] <GobiTheGoblin> wastrel, sry. bad joke
[17:06] <eagles0513875> hahah fail GobiTheGoblin
[17:08] <wastrel> i need to pop the keycap off and clean the crud out from under it yeah
[17:22] <Mike1> why does smb:// not work in my Ubuntu Karmic? :-(
[17:22] <wastrel> do you have samba installed
[17:22] <Mike1> good question
[17:22] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: today you are my saviour :)
[17:23] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875, ty :D
[17:24] <GobiTheGoblin> Mike1, samba isn't installed at least on my laptop
[17:24] <GobiTheGoblin> Mike1, ...by default I mean
[17:25] <Mike1> yes, just installing stuff
[17:25] <GobiTheGoblin> Mike1, I just installed it too, it works in here
[17:26] <Mike1> installed samba or Ubuntu?
[17:26] <GobiTheGoblin> samba
[17:27] <Mike1> comes on my bug-list :-)
[17:28] <GobiTheGoblin> I don't think its preinstalled in other distros too..
[17:28] <Mike1> yes, but the nautilus error message is meaningless
[17:28] <Mike1> it even recommends an other viewer xD
[17:29] <GobiTheGoblin> k, that =) yea it would be nice to give headsup
[17:31] <Mike1> „Failed to retrive share list“ when i try smb:/// (or „Network“ in „Places“) and select my workgroup there
[17:33] <GobiTheGoblin> Mike1, Here it went ok.. smb:///
[17:33] <wastrel> smbclient -W DOMAIN -L server-name
[17:33] <GobiTheGoblin> found printers and shares (two groups)
[17:36] <Mike1> wastrel: works
[17:36] <Mike1> but not with smb://mikespc or smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:36] <Mike1> in nautilus
[17:37] <wastrel> well i don't know hwo the gnome stuff works :]
[17:37] <Mike1> interessting
[17:37] <Mike1> now it works oO
[17:37] <Mike1> strang
[17:37] <Mike1> e
[17:37] <wastrel> k-rad
[17:38] <GobiTheGoblin> :D
[18:05] <henrik__> there seems to be some breakage in karmic today, with people being unable to get into X. Are there any temporary fixes around?
[18:06] <wastrel> bug 429003
[18:07] <henrik__> hm, I suppose my mirror hasn't received the fix yet
[18:07] <wastrel> nvidia driver prob.  changing xorg to use nv instead may fix
[18:07] <wastrel> i used vesa
[18:07] <henrik__> changing to nv didn't fix it for me
[18:07] <[31d1]> bug 430125
[18:07] <wastrel> try vesa that got my x working.
[18:07] <[31d1]> is happening to me
[18:08] <henrik__> I think my update held back upstart too
[18:09] <[31d1]> i dunno if that's what's doing it - but I don't even get as far as X trying to start
[18:09] <henrik__> me neither, but if I go into a terminal and start it manually, it freezes
[18:09] <[31d1]> ah
[18:10] <henrik__> using nvidia, with nv I get slightly further, but X terminates after loading the desktop, not much helpful in the log.
[18:10] <eagles0513875> henrik__:
[18:10] <eagles0513875> was doing that for me too bud
[18:11] <henrik__> mmh, and this recovery mode is just giving me one terminal, and not letting me use screen :/
[18:11] <[31d1]> i haven't tried that, vt1 is hung at 'starting samba daemons' ... i'm just rolling around in another terminal hoping to find something
[18:11] <eagles0513875> henrik__: wget the latest nvidia driver from the nvidia website
[18:11] <eagles0513875> i had that issue and after installing that driver it worked
[18:13] <eagles0513875> its a weird fix i know
[18:15] <henrik__> it must be something other than video drivers, as it crashes with vesa too
[18:16] <knittl> hi, i need help with upgrading
[18:16] <knittl> i'm already on karmic
[18:16] <eagles0513875> henrik__: try the latest version of the nvidia drivers
[18:16] <eagles0513875> knittl: whats wrong
[18:16] <knittl> i have two packages held back (initscripts and upstart)
[18:16] <eagles0513875> knittl: run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to update them
[18:16] <knittl> ok, great
[18:16] <eagles0513875> henrik__: for some reason with nv driver it was showing nothing but a tty and not picking up my monitor but after installing hte nv driver its picking it up now
[18:16] <knittl> The following packages will be REMOVED: rsyslog ubuntu-minimal
[18:16] <knittl> The following packages have been kept back: initscripts upstart
[18:16] <knittl> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[18:17] <knittl> is this safe?
[18:17] <eagles0513875> not sure to be honest
[18:17] <henrik__> there is some breakage at the moment, initscripts and upstart can't be updated
[18:17] <[31d1]> that's better than what I get when i try to do aptitude full-upgrade
[18:18] <MindVirus> I don't know why but I am updating just so I can break my system.
[18:18] <knittl> henrik__: yep, something is wrong there. that is why i came here to ask
[18:18] <[31d1]> i got the same problem. but it wants to do http://ix.io/hD , which is definitely bad news
[18:19] <henrik__> knittl: your system is probably broken as ours now, so if you're in X, you might not get back if you restart
[18:19] <MindVirus> [31d1]: No that's safe. You can do that. :P
[18:19] <xcdfgkjhgcv> FFS my system is fucked.
[18:19] <knittl> henrik__: oh, great :D
[18:19] <BluesKaj> well, archive.ubuntu is unreachable when i try to update yet I can chat
[18:19] <[31d1]> lol
[18:19] <knittl> [31d1]: yeah, i got that too today. but after another a-g update i can't install either (initsc. or upstart)
[18:19] <durt> ya, syslog is broken for me now, as is gdm/X, some networking (pppoe) has to be started by hand.
[18:20] <knittl> but that's the fun of alpha's :D
[18:20] <[31d1]> yeah
[18:20] <MindVirus> henrik__: when will it be unbroken?
[18:20] <henrik__> these kind of breakages are unusual though
[18:20] <knittl> where's my fork?
[18:20] <MindVirus> henrik__: is it safe to upgrade without dist-upgrade?
[18:20] <henrik__> MindVirus: I wish I knew..
[18:20] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm on irssi, ...my X works ok, but the keyboard and mouse aren't working at all
[18:20] <durt> MindVirus, when the devs fix it.
[18:20] <[31d1]> i'm just relieved that other people have the  same problem
[18:20] <MindVirus> durt: Any ideas when this will be? 24 hours?
[18:20] <durt> no
[18:20] <henrik__> BluesKaj: ah, that's similar to what happened to me. I restarted after my keyboard froze
[18:20] <xcdfgkjhgcv> FFS major ext4 problems and now this!
[18:20] <[31d1]> my only fear is i get broken and no one else does :)
[18:21] <knittl> ah there. yummi
[18:21] <MindVirus> [31d1]: I know exactly what you mean.
[18:21] <MindVirus> That should be channel topic.
[18:21] <knittl> so, how long should i wait before attempting an upgrade method?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> I think the last updates broke a lot of ppl's setups
[18:21] <durt> newtopic: yes, we're all broken too.
[18:21] <[31d1]> heh
[18:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Change "may break your system" to "will break your system"
[18:22] <henrik__> has anybody come any closer to what causes the problem? maybe reverting some package will do
[18:23] <MindVirus> A few hours till fixes.
[18:23] <MindVirus> Says cjwatson in #ubuntu-devel.
[18:23] <[31d1]> sweet
[18:23] <knittl> awesome :)
[18:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I'm going to hold back from installing new versions of Ubuntu until the actual release next time.
[18:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I hope iwconfig doesn't be a pain and lets me connect to my WLAN
[18:24] <BluesKaj> henrik I think HAL is in the mix somewhere and the kernel modules are to blame for this mess I think. I received alot of kernel problem messages
[18:24] <henrik__> a few hours is a looooong time :)
[18:24] <MindVirus> henrik__: better than 3 years.
[18:24] <[31d1]> i'm not the brightest bulb in the bunch, but running prereleases teaches me tons
[18:24] <durt> xcdfgkjhgcv, ya, but who's gonna test the alphas for _your_ specific setup.
[18:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> [31d1]: Like to stay away?
[18:24] <henrik__> did anybody ask the devels for temporary solutions?
[18:25] <MindVirus> [31d1]: or hate every programmer ever?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> never had this happen with other alphas ...only when I screwed something up personally
[18:25] <MindVirus> (Not that I do. It's just a valuable lesson.)
[18:25] <cjwatson> henrik__: to which problem? (I ask because I just joined but I'm dealing with a problem I suspect people here may care about)
[18:25] <MindVirus> cjwatson: same thing I asked about.
[18:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> cjwatson: A Karmic update has just fucked all of our PCs.
[18:25] <SKB> what's responsible for automount? :|
[18:25] <MindVirus> The ubuntu-minimal issue.
[18:25] <[31d1]> mostly about how to debug things better and learn more about how things work :)
[18:26] <henrik__> cjwatson: I'm not sure where the problem is
[18:26] <MindVirus> [31d1]: report your first bug yet?
[18:26] <[31d1]> yeah, i did!
[18:26] <BluesKaj> cjwatson:  it seems most of us have serious problems right now , devices not working
[18:26] <cjwatson> xcdfgkjhgcv: while Karmic is certainly broken, let me be clear that you must *always* review the list of packages to be removed when upgrading through development releases
[18:26] <MindVirus> [31d1]: I'm proud. :)
[18:26] <cjwatson> if you don't, your computer(s) will break
[18:26] <[31d1]> it was eventually a dupe, but it was a good one
[18:26] <MindVirus> Awww.
[18:27] <MindVirus> You haven't posted your first non-dupe yet?
[18:27] <cjwatson> the core problem at the moment is that builds happened out of intended order and we've ended up in a situation where we can't build a package that upstart pre-depends on (mountall) in order to get things back in order
[18:27] <cjwatson> one of our sysadmins is setting things up so that we can build it semi-manually, and then we need to promote mountall to main, and then things should get back into shape
[18:28] <[31d1]> cjwatson: would that be the cause of booting hanging well before X even starts?
[18:28] <cjwatson> [31d1]: very likely
[18:28] <henrik__> cjwatson: how does that cause the problems though? old upstart is incompatible with some changes?
[18:28] <[31d1]> cool
[18:28] <cjwatson> henrik__: we've just landed a whole suite of changes to completely reorganise the boot process
[18:28] <cjwatson> they were intended to land pretty much in one lump
[18:28] <cjwatson> unfortunately, they didn't quite
[18:28] <henrik__> cjwatson: thanks for the information
[18:29] <dto> total Karmic breakage. 1. todays kernel and/or network-manager updates broke networking. could not get ANY network devices to show up besides loopback. 2. decided to wipe clean and install from alpha 5 dvd, bizarrely FSCK fails on first post-installation bootup, then system dies at login on subsequent boots and is completely unusable. 3. installed jaunty again, but it refuses to upgrade to karmic (error during calculation of upgrade)
[18:29] <MindVirus> cjwatson: You are an awesome developer who talks to his users. Thank you.
[18:29] <dto> i'm about ready to give up on karmic
[18:29]  * [31d1] agrees with MindVirus
[18:29] <henrik__> this is the first time karmic has broken on me, so I'm pretty happy with it
[18:29] <cjwatson> dto: fsck failure: probably bug 427822, fix for ext4 will land for alpha 6, fix for ext3 sometime later
[18:29] <MindVirus> In general, developers are a shy bunch that only talk amongst themselves.
[18:29] <MindVirus> The only way to talk to a dev is to file a bug report.
[18:30] <cjwatson> MindVirus: time :-/
[18:30] <MindVirus> cjwatson: eh?
[18:30] <cjwatson> dto: the upgrade problems are (we hope) being sorted
[18:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, except for the network management being so flaky now..even wicd isn't doing wifi so well
[18:30] <dto> cjwatson: ok :) thank you
[18:30] <cjwatson> MindVirus: if you aren't at least somewhat reclusive, you never have time to actually write any code :-/
[18:30] <[31d1]> oh yeah, i forgot i had to go back to the last kernel to get a network connection - but that might just be me being dumb
[18:31] <MindVirus> cjwatson: I know what you mean. It is understandable. I am a dev too (but not as hardcore as you). Furthermore, I'm not complaining.
[18:31] <MindVirus> cjwatson: well, I am.
[18:31] <xcdfgkjhgcv> FFS I'm struggling to get a wireless connection using iwconfig
[18:31] <[31d1]> oh, i couldnt do that either, so i just stuck an ethernet
[18:31] <cjwatson> ah, good, 427822 has an ext3 patch as well now
[18:31] <MindVirus> cjwatson: just that I went into #ubuntu-devel with a bug and repeated it 20 times over an hour and nobody responded once.
[18:32] <cjwatson> repetition actually often turns people off replying
[18:32] <xcdfgkjhgcv> [31d1]: That's not an option for my desktop
[18:32] <[31d1]> :(
[18:32] <cjwatson> and it depends a lot on the time of day, too
[18:32] <henrik__> MindVirus: that's a bit excessive repeating though
[18:32] <nOStahl> gah the updates got me finally!
[18:32] <nOStahl> i cant start x heh
[18:32] <henrik__> nOStahl: welcome to the club
[18:32] <nOStahl> i got an intel chipset video
[18:32] <nOStahl> i think 810 is the module
[18:32] <MindVirus> henrik__, cjwatson: The general rule on IRC is to repeat after a few minutes if nobody responds.
[18:33] <nOStahl> its loaded 915 though since the update
[18:33] <[31d1]> MindVirus: I'm still for the most part trying to get past the hump of telling whether i've found a bug or if i'm just doing something dumb
[18:33] <cjwatson> MindVirus: I'd recommend against that on #ubuntu-devel
[18:33] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: FFS
[18:33] <MindVirus> cjwatson: Understood.
[18:33] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: We're in the same boat, old chum.
[18:33] <MindVirus> [31d1]: don't be shy. Ask in #ubuntu+1.
[18:34] <MindVirus> If nobody responds, file a bug.
[18:34] <nOStahl> whats the way to revert?
[18:34] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: My main concern is that I can't get an internet connection using iwconfig
[18:34] <MindVirus> The worst that'll happen is you'll make some chump in his basement laugh a little.
[18:34] <[31d1]> yeah, i think i'll be pulling up a chair in here
[18:34] <[31d1]> for that reason
[18:34] <BluesKaj> just ran an update , a kernel got removed, hope it was the broken one :)
[18:34] <MindVirus> [31d1]: eventually you'll learn what a bug is and isn't.
[18:34] <henrik__> I just upgraded to a first floor apartment, no more basement for me :-D
[18:35] <MindVirus> henrik__: We're all very proud.
[18:35] <nOStahl> xcdfgkjhgcv whats the other command for dhcp besides dhcpcd
[18:35] <MindVirus> [31d1]: Have you noticed: is it your fault or not most of the time?
[18:35] <[31d1]> dhclient
[18:35] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I don't know.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> bbl . I hope...
[18:35] <nOStahl> ty
[18:36] <nOStahl> k xcdfg   just type sudo ifconfig ra0 up
[18:36] <nOStahl> sudo iwconfig ra0 essid "your essid here"
[18:36] <[31d1]> MindVirus: maybe 2/3rds of the time it seems like it's actually a bug i guess
[18:36] <nOStahl> then sudo dhclient ra0
[18:36] <nOStahl> and then it will work
[18:36] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I'm not using my Eee PC right now.
[18:36] <nOStahl> ah
[18:36] <MindVirus> [31d1]: Then definitely don't be shy to file a report.
[18:37] <JamesB192> I trashed the contents of /etc/grub.d on my Kubuntu laptop (Karmic using GRUB2) how do I replace the files that were there?
[18:37] <DKcross> i cant install upstart!
[18:37] <[31d1]> the current thing i'm wondering is a bug or not is that I get little audio blips all the time. it looks like they decided to blacklist pcspkr, which is great, but then replaced it with something else, and i don't want any sort of beep
[18:38] <DKcross> i dont have server X
[18:38] <DKcross> when i dist upgrade my karmic koala
[18:38] <DKcross> i think this is Bug
[18:38] <[31d1]> and it seems like i get a little audio 'click' whenever i would normally get a pcspkr beep
[18:38] <DKcross> and is crytical
[18:38] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I've got iwconfig all configured but it's saying "Access Point: Not-Associated"
[18:38] <vigo> Is Firehol the security thing?
[18:38] <TheInfinity> DKcross: nvidia graphics?
[18:38] <nOStahl> so how can i revert changes from a previous update
[18:38] <durt> DKcross, none of us do, you need to wait for the devs to fix things
[18:38] <bodly> JamesB192: sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc ?
[18:38] <DKcross> yes i know
[18:39] <[31d1]> DKcross: yeah things are broken
[18:39] <TheInfinity> nOStahl: you cant
[18:39] <[31d1]> and they are working on it and aware
[18:39] <DKcross> TheInfinity:  is nvidia
[18:39] <DKcross> i'm in irssi now!
[18:39] <TheInfinity> DKcross: then your victim of a well known bug :)
[18:39] <DKcross> lol
[18:39] <nOStahl> its saying 2 packages not upgraded after i run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade        initscripts and upstart
[18:39] <MindVirus> nOStahl: that wasn't a good idea.
[18:39] <TheInfinity> just wait and keep up to date
[18:39] <DKcross> yes nOStahl  the same!
[18:40] <henrik__> so how often are you guys checking apt-get update? ;)
[18:40] <MindVirus> nOStahl, DKcross: WAIT a few hours and update again.
[18:40] <MindVirus> Do NOT dist-upgrade.
[18:40] <MindVirus> henrik__: I just checked it.
[18:40] <nOStahl> k
[18:40] <Usambara> hello
[18:40] <DKcross> MindVirus:  do you have this bug?
[18:40] <cjwatson> JamesB192: apt-get --reinstall -o DPkg::options::=--force-confdef install grub-pc
[18:40] <vigo> All groovy here hendrik_.
[18:40] <MindVirus> DKcross: everyone does.
[18:41] <cjwatson> JamesB192: sorry, that's wrong
[18:41] <cjwatson> JamesB192: apt-get --reinstall -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss install grub-pc
[18:41] <[31d1]> lol
[18:41] <DKcross> MindVirus:  ok
[18:41] <DKcross> how i can change chanel in irssi
[18:41] <DKcross> i have two channels
[18:41] <[31d1]> esc-number
[18:41] <DKcross> but i dont move
[18:42] <vigo> Is UFW out and Firehol in?
[18:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I'm authenticated now but no internet is working.
[18:42] <nOStahl> ping www.google.com
[18:42] <nOStahl> then hit ctrl c to cancel
[18:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: ping: unknown host www.google.co.uk
[18:42] <[31d1]> cjwatson: is that supposed to be a temporary fix for this upstart stuff?
[18:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I'm not a complete Linux novice.
[18:43] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I just have a card which isn't very good at establishing a stable connection.
[18:43] <cjwatson> [31d1]: no, JamesB192 had an independent problem
[18:43] <[31d1]> ah, ok
[18:43] <cjwatson> [31d1]: I don't have a temporary fix because I'm working solidly on actually fixing it
[18:43] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: iwconfig does report "Security mode:open" for some reason.
[18:44] <MindVirus> The temporary fix is not to update.
[18:44] <[31d1]> ok, wasn't sure if you were copy/pasting from another channel, or talking to someone in here
[18:44] <cjwatson> MindVirus: indeed
[18:44] <vigo> Mine did also, some GUI thing said No Security
[18:44] <JamesB192> I suffered from an outbreak of massive user stupidity syndrome
[18:44] <nOStahl> so whats upstart
[18:45] <[31d1]> http://upstart.ubuntu.com iirc
[18:45] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: Ah, I had to manually run dhclient.
[18:45] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I would have thought iwconfig would sort that out for me.
[18:45] <nOStahl> nope
[18:45] <JamesB192> nOStahl: sysvinit replacement it start all the processes on your computer.
[18:45] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I think it used to.
[18:45] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I don't remember ever having to manually run dhclient before.
[18:46] <xcdfgkjhgcv> cjwatson nOStahl: Anyway, I'm going to go out and dick around with a laser pointer whilst I wait for the fix.
[18:46] <nOStahl> lol
[18:47] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: Do you miss me over there in #eeepc?
[18:47] <JamesB192> cjwatson: Thanky
[18:47] <JamesB192> cjwatson: Thank you that was it.
[18:47] <nOStahl> i go in there once in a while still
[18:48] <vigo> Who or what is CouchDB?
[18:49] <[31d1]> hmm, i just remembered about dvtm, and this is a perfect time for it, but it seems broken
[18:49] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! A quick question: I see that karmic is in Alpha stage but the release is scheduled for Oct 29. Isn't that a short time to go to beta and RC and final?
[18:49] <cjwatson> apt-cache show couchdb
[18:49] <vigo> Thank you.
[18:49] <cjwatson> K_Dallas: it's the same as we've pretty much always done in the past
[18:49] <cjwatson> we find it works out ok
[18:50] <K_Dallas> cjwatson, excellent. I was curious as how fast it works, thank you
[18:50] <aboSamoor> grub menu says 1.96 while the package installed is 1.97beta3 anything wrong ?
[18:50] <K_Dallas> and to make sure that alpha5 is still alpha and I shouldn't touch it
[18:51] <cjwatson> aboSamoor: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, and make sure you tell it to actually install grub to some devices
[18:51] <cjwatson> and that those devices are the right ones
[18:51] <[31d1]> it's certainly an alpha, K_Dallas, at least today. some things are currently pretty broken :)
[18:52] <nOStahl> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/0.1.3/+build/1244254
[18:52] <aboSamoor> cjwatson: how can I know the right devices from the current grub configuration
[18:52] <nOStahl> mountall package built for karmic it says
[18:53] <nOStahl> appears its waiting to be included in repo's and then it'll build?
[18:53] <nOStahl> acording to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430125
[18:53] <cjwatson> aboSamoor: you'll have to work that out for yourself, I'm afraid
 thank you for reassuring me. I think it was more like wishfull thinking ;) The actual reason is that all the latest releases, fedora-ubuntu-debian-opensuse, that I have checked, they do not work with my touchpad as the older version of ubuntu worked flawlessly. I hoped maybe the testing branch had solved the issue
[18:53] <cjwatson> aboSamoor: I'm due to try to make the question a bit clearer at some point
[18:53] <dk> hello people
[18:54] <cjwatson> nOStahl: yes, it will still take a while though
[18:54] <dk> I'm here :D
[18:54] <dk> Well i dont have server X
[18:54] <dk> :D
[18:54] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Why does Rhythmbox only detect 2/3 of my music collection from my external ext4 HDD?
[18:57] <xcdfgkjhgcv> FFS Samba isn't working so my printer isn't networked to my Eee PC.
[18:57] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I'll have to plug it in manually.
[18:57] <nOStahl> i might be up and running... one moment checking
[18:58] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: Really? How?
[18:59] <nOStahl> i can see desktop
[18:59] <nOStahl> icons and all then it kills back to cli
[18:59] <nOStahl> few min going to test further
[18:59] <cjwatson> mountall publishing. dinnertime
[18:59] <cjwatson> it may still be a while
[18:59] <[31d1]> yay!
[18:59] <xcdfgkjhgcv> cjwatson: What does mountall do?
[19:00] <[31d1]> lets you update upstart
[19:01] <nOStahl> its what lets you mount filessystems
[19:02] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: Do you miss me over there in #eeepc?
[19:02] <DsXack> please help, i can't run banshee... http://paste.ubuntu.com/271603/
[19:03] <cbmuser> hey, I dist-upgraded my karmic installation today, the initscript got replaced with an upstart script and now gdm doesn't start anymore
[19:03] <nOStahl> cbmuser really? thats weird... :P
[19:03] <cbmuser> when try to start gdm manually with "start gdm" it prints out a PID for gdm but nothing else happens
[19:03] <cbmuser> nOStahl: is that known?
[19:04] <[31d1]> how come none of you guys seem to use aptitude
[19:04] <cbmuser> I do
[19:04] <cbmuser> how would that keep you from breaking your system?
[19:04] <nOStahl> depends on if im feeling frisky or not
[19:05] <cbmuser> I only know of apt-listbugs that would prevent that
[19:05] <vigo> I use aptitude for update/upgrade
[19:05] <Hillshum> Is it too late to get new packages in? I read the linked schedule but am more confused
[19:05] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Is upstart a brand new thing for Ubuntu or something?
[19:05] <[31d1]> oh i guess dist-upgrade is aliased to full-upgrade
[19:05] <[31d1]> or something
[19:06] <[31d1]> s/aliased to/the same as/
[19:06] <cbmuser> nOStahl: do you know what might have broken gdm+upstart?
[19:06] <nOStahl> they are working on the fix cbmuser
[19:06] <cbmuser> ok, thanks
[19:06] <cbmuser> I am working with the livecd now
[19:07] <GobiTheGoblin> cbmuser, nvidia?
[19:07] <cbmuser> no, ATI
[19:07] <DsXack> me can't run gdm with nvidia too
[19:07] <cbmuser> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
[19:07] <cbmuser> it doesn't seem to be an issue with X, is it?
[19:08] <nOStahl> hrmm im just getting the cursor now
[19:08] <mapet> has mountall been uploaded now?
[19:09] <GobiTheGoblin> cbmuser, there were a problem with libc6 yesterday and early today... if was later fixed. don't know if it relates to you, because mainly nvidia users reported it...
[19:09] <GobiTheGoblin> cbmuser, that libc6 came with updates
[19:09] <cbmuser> hmm
[19:09] <cbmuser> at what log should I take a look at?
[19:09]  * Hillshum had trouble getting gdm to load with ati
[19:10] <GobiTheGoblin> try updating repos and installing new ones if you can
[19:11] <GobiTheGoblin> cbmuser, this was the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[19:11] <GobiTheGoblin> cbmuser, if it is any help
[19:12] <sparr> php is causing apache to randomly segfault, anyone else experiencing this issue?
[19:13] <nOStahl> sparr sudo apt-get remove php5-hosin or whatever its called
[19:13] <nOStahl> google that
[19:13] <sparr> google the term that you aren't sure how to spell?  :)
[19:13] <nOStahl> yep
[19:15] <sparr> well, google doesn't like "hosin", and packages.ubuntu.com says there is no php5-h*
[19:16] <cbmuser> GobiTheGoblin: I wanted to dist-upgrade now, but upstart is broken atm
[19:16] <cbmuser> The following packages have unmet dependencies: upstart: PreDepends: mountall but it is not installable
[19:16] <nOStahl> look in /etc/php5/conf.d
[19:16] <jwhitley> Hi all.  upstart 0.6.3-2 is BROKEN.  It pre-depends on "mountall", which does not exist.
[19:16] <cbmuser> E: Broken packages
[19:16] <cbmuser> hehe
[19:16] <cbmuser> it starting to get amusing ;)
[19:16] <sparr> aha
[19:17] <sparr> suhosin
[19:17] <fakbill> hi. is there something deeply wrong with the current udev in karmic?
[19:17] <nOStahl> just cut that file and put it somewhere safe
[19:17] <nOStahl> restart apache and its fixed
[19:17] <[31d1]> apparenlty mountall is being published and should show up in apt very soon
[19:17] <tormod> fakbill: such as?
[19:17] <cbmuser> does ubuntu have some sort of incoming like debian?
[19:17] <GobiTheGoblin> cbmuser, oh.. well that goes over my expertise. Can't really say other than try to repair the packages with apt if its any good
[19:17] <xcdfgkjhgcv> [31d1]: I fucking hate it when my system completely breaks like this.
[19:18] <fakbill> such as it does not boot
[19:18] <Pici> xcdfgkjhgcv: Please mind your language here.
[19:18] <fakbill> or it does boot in recovery mode
[19:18] <fakbill> but not much
[19:18] <xcdfgkjhgcv> fakbill: It boots just fine.
[19:18] <nOStahl> how do i use a live cd to upgrade my installed system
[19:18] <[31d1]> I only hate it when i'm not running a sytem that explicitly warns you it might break at any time
[19:18] <tormod> nOStahl: chroot
[19:19] <nOStahl> k
[19:19] <xcdfgkjhgcv> nOStahl: I think you add it as a software repository and then apt-get and apt-get dist-upgrade or something like that?
[19:19] <jwhitley> actually, my system barely boots.  sys bell screams 1/2 the time and augers in.  on backup sys now, as karmic box unusable.
[19:19] <GobiTheGoblin> well guys... It IS a dev version... it is practically matter of time when things broke down, I take these as a learning tutorials :P
[19:19] <sparr> what is "FFE"?
[19:19] <Pici> Feature Freeze Exception
[19:19] <Pici> !ffe
[19:19] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: Jaunty wouldn't work with my Wi-Fi
[19:19] <tormod> I am calling in from Jaunty here :) but that is because I was running the "boot" PPA, I thought
[19:20] <cbmuser> mountall can be fetched here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/0.1.3/+build/1244254/+files/mountall_0.1.3_i386.deb
[19:20] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv: What is your wifi?
[19:20] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: Netgear WMA311 or something like that
[19:21] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv, can't find anything with that..
[19:21] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv, USB?
[19:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: PCI
[19:22] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv, lspci  and try to find that chip in there
[19:22] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: Why?
[19:22] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: I think I found out that it was a problem with the 2.6.28 kernel
[19:23] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv, well I had heat problems with same kernel -> reason why I took karmic
[19:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I want 10.04 LTS
[19:23] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv, You could try to update your kernel?
[19:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> But without shitty Pulseaudio.
[19:23] <Pici> !language | xcdfgkjhgcv
[19:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: Upgrading to Karmic just seemed easier.
[19:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I wanted updated packages too.
[19:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Like Transmission.
[19:24] <GobiTheGoblin> ..and now wifi isnt working?
[19:24] <duffydack> xcdfgkjhgcv, ive ben to the future and got a copy and its still got the crap sound "mixerless" thing,.
[19:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: It's working fine.
[19:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> !language duffydack
[19:24] <GobiTheGoblin> xcdfgkjhgcv, Ok. now i missed something... so whats wrong?
[19:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: Nothing.
[19:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> GobiTheGoblin: Except that my whole fucking system is fucked.
[19:25] <DKcross1> well   i need server x, but i will wait
[19:25] <DKcross1> :)
[19:25] <duffydack> !language | xcdfgkjhgcv
[19:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> DKcross1: I'm going to go out and dick around with a laser pointer whilst I wait.
[19:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> !language | duffydack
[19:25] <DKcross1> :o
[19:26] <henrik__> cbmuser: is there any amd64 version?
[19:26] <duffydack> yo dit that once already...
[19:26] <duffydack> did*
[19:26] <xcdfgkjhgcv> duffydack: I didn't do it right.
[19:27] <xcdfgkjhgcv> BBL
[19:27] <taneli> udev seems to be completely hosed
[19:27] <taneli> (or whoever populates /dev)
[19:27] <maxb> Hrm, karmic seems pretty broken right now
[19:28] <maxb> It had been doing so well, too
[19:28] <maxb> Ironic that it all goes kablooey just as we freeze for alpha 6
[19:29] <cbmuser> henrik__: yes
[19:29] <cbmuser> just go to the ppa page
[19:29] <vigo> Am I reading this wrong or something...: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/firehol
[19:30] <klaxian> anyone else not able to boot into karmic after recent updates today?
[19:30] <nOStahl> whats the hotkey to stop usplash and see the udev running
[19:30] <DKcross1> klaxian: me too:D
[19:30] <klaxian> first, it can't mount /dev/pts and /dev/shm and then it hangs on winbind
[19:30] <taneli> is the inability to load firmwares related to udev?
[19:30] <DKcross1> nOStahl: alt1
[19:30] <fakbill> same here
[19:30] <wastrel> is this the upstart thing
[19:31] <klaxian> killing winbind manually lets it get to the login screen but then it freezes
[19:31] <klaxian> ah ok so i'm not the only one
[19:31] <klaxian> i didn't see a bug for it
[19:31] <fakbill> klaxian: I have the same issue here
[19:31] <klaxian> alrighty :)  do we have a workaround?  or just wait for new packages?
[19:31] <fakbill> klaxian: look at /etc/init.d/udev
[19:31] <fakbill> is the file ok?
[19:31] <cbmuser> but initscripts is broken as well
[19:32] <klaxian> i will when the fsck is done.  my mount time keeps getting off and then i have to do an fsck
[19:32] <fakbill> the boot sequence is for sure broken
[19:32] <fakbill> depply
[19:32] <fakbill> deeply
[19:32] <fakbill> no clue what went wrong
[19:32] <vigo> Did you use safe-upgrade?
[19:33] <taneli> could it be a driver requesting firmware, which is then not found
[19:33] <fakbill> vigo: yes
[19:33] <fakbill> safe-upgrade
[19:33] <vigo> hrmm
[19:33] <fakbill> 1h ago
[19:33] <klaxian> could be.  my wireless light doesn't turn on now
[19:33] <cbmuser>   initscripts: Breaks: rsyslog (< 4.2.0-2ubuntu3~boot1) but 4.2.0-2ubuntu2 is installed.
[19:33] <cbmuser>                Breaks: udev (< 146-2~boot6) but 146-1 is installed.
[19:33] <vigo> Ok, Thank you, I will not do it again today...
[19:34] <fakbill> what does it means?
[19:35] <jwhitley> right, thanks for the mountall build links.  back up and running.
[19:36] <klaxian> whats the link to the new mountall package?
[19:36] <vigo> Is it a QT4 or python thing?
[19:36] <klaxian> i wasn't here for that and i think that's what i need also
[19:36] <fakbill> vigo: is there a way to unscrew it? (it is no pb for me to download a package and install it )
[19:37] <jwhitley> find your platform's build here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/0.1.3/+build/1244254
[19:37] <cbmuser> klaxian:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/0.1.3/
[19:37] <klaxian> thank you
[19:37] <henrik__> so with mountall and updated upstart it works again?
[19:37] <jwhitley> yes.  booted, most bizarreness gone.  I had to manually run "sudo NetworkManager".
[19:37] <maxb> Hmm, I can boot, it's just X that is unhappy
[19:38] <fakbill> so what is the procedure?
[19:38] <jwhitley> "sudo restart network-manager" emits the cryptic "restart: Unknown instance: " and nothing more.
[19:38] <fakbill> maxb: yes. same pb here
[19:39] <kosinus> Oh wow, lots of happy faces here. :)
[19:41] <[31d1]> mountall is in apt now
[19:42]  * kosinus charges head first
[19:42] <henrik__> well, installing mountall didn't make it any better for me
[19:42] <jwhitley> what's up with the new "initscripts" package?  shows as greyed in update-manager, gives major warnings via apt-get.
[19:43] <jwhitley> henrik__: you also need to install upstart after mountall.
[19:43] <jwhitley> sudo apt-get install upstart
[19:43]  * agl is regretting updating Karmic this morning - everything linked against glib stopped working.
[19:43] <jwhitley> then reboot
[19:43] <kosinus> looks like it still wants a newer hostname and rsyslog for initscripts?
[19:43] <klaxian> yah mountall and upstart let my system boot normally, but no networking
[19:43] <gnata> re
[19:43] <henrik__> jwhitley: I did, but it didn't fix the breakage
[19:44] <jwhitley> klaxian: "sudo NetworkManager"  there's still lossage.
[19:44] <henrik__> jwhitley: or there is additional breakage
[19:44] <jwhitley> NetworkManager isn't being started properly on boot.
[19:44] <klaxian> jwhitley: ah thats what i was looking for
[19:44] <klaxian> and we're back :)
[19:44] <klaxian> thanks
[19:44] <jwhitley> henrik: right, thanks for clarification.  my sys is dodgy as well.
[19:44] <gnata> what should I try to recover a bit this poor karmic?
[19:45] <gnata> new version of usev?
[19:45] <gnata> udev
[19:45] <kosinus> I can start network manager just peachy via upstart with "sudo start network-manager"
[19:45] <klaxian> thanks guys.  i'm sure they will fix this more permanently soon
[19:45] <klaxian> :)
[19:45] <jwhitley> kosinus: right, good point.  I confirmed.  restart doesn't work, however, gives cryptic error.
[19:45] <[31d1]> woo X
[19:46] <vigo> Bunch of fixes here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/karmic-alpha-5
[19:46] <gnata> ok. I'm going to look at that
[19:46] <jwhitley> gnata: read recent irclogs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/15/%23ubuntu+1.html
[19:46] <kosinus> jwhitley: Yeah, I noticed that, but could that just be because nothing's running yet? The error looks like it's trying to stop first, but doesn't find a running instance.
[19:48] <jwhitley> kosinus: possibly.  I'm new to upstart usage; typical init.d script policy is that restart should not fail if the service isn't running.
[19:48] <[31d1]> new kernel only has one virtual terminal
[19:49] <kosinus> jwhitley: heh, it is rather surprising. I actually looked in init.d first and saw NetworkManager renamed to network-manager. I only found out about 'start' because it gives a helpful message when you start it the 'old way'. :)
[19:49] <gnata>                  network-manager. I only found out about 'start' because
[19:49] <gnata> oups
[19:49] <gnata> I'm trying to figure out what I should update
[19:50] <superdump> hello
[19:50] <superdump> i'm running xubuntu karmic and i just ran some updates which seem to have caused some issues
[19:50] <henrik__> hm, so does anybody have X back after the brokenness?
[19:51] <superdump> hal doesn't start properly i don't think so X doesn't start properly
[19:51] <superdump> and i don't have any ptys
[19:51] <superdump> i'm not too sure what else is wrong, but i think udev was amongst the updates and i'm kind of suspecting that