[03:06] <bladernr_> Is anyone around?
[03:10] <bladernr_> sigh.... so is anyone around :-)  And is this channel focused on ubiquity or the entire installer environment (livecd and all)
[04:10] <ScottK> bladernr_: All of it, but most of the people who work on this stuff are Europe based and likely sleeping.
[04:10] <bladernr_> ScottK:  ack... thanks.  Found the problem...  seems usb-creator-* is broken horribly.
[04:11] <bladernr_> so guess I'll be using a non-ubuntu method for creating my bootable sticks :(
[04:11] <ScottK> bladernr_: What release are you running and what release are you trying to create a USB image for?
[04:11] <bladernr_> I just tried building a Maverick bootable stick on a maverick system, and on a lucid system... both fail to boot
[04:11] <bladernr_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/617779
[04:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 617779 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "[maverick] live USB created usb-creator-gtk won't boot (affects: 14) (heat: 68)" [High,Confirmed]
[04:12] <ScottK> bladernr_: Do  you have the usb-creator from lucid-updates?
[04:12] <ScottK> The one lucid released with is known not to make working maverick images
[04:13] <bladernr_> not sure... the lucid system is actually a test system I haven't touched since 10.04.1 ISO testing :-)  I'm about to update it though to make sure everything is current on that install
[04:13] <bladernr_> so probably not, but will soon
[04:13] <ScottK> You probably have the known broken one then.
[04:18] <bladernr_> yeah... updating that test machine now :)
[04:18] <bladernr_> my main system is Maverick, which is equally broken
[04:26] <bladernr_> ScottK:  thanks for the pointer, by the way.  I found the bug for the maverick usb-creator but didn't know lucid was also broken until you mentioned it.  cheers!
[04:27] <ScottK> Did lucid work?
[04:59] <ScottK> For those of you reading the backscroll, I just made a fine USB image using maverick's usb-creator-kde, so I'm not sure what his problem was.
[08:58] <NCommander> ev: cjwatson: What puts the ubiquity icon on the desktop on a normal image, we're having an issue with dove where no icon is showing up
[08:59] <ev> NCommander:  casper
[09:00] <ev> see scripts/casper-bottom/10adduser
[09:01] <NCommander> ev: I don't see a line here used by UNE ...
[09:02] <ScottK> ev: I conditionally approved superm1's FFe in 633712 - the condition being ev is still OK with doing it, so I'd appreciate it if you would have a look when you have a moment.
[09:02] <ev> presumably you want 47une_ubiquity
[09:03] <ev> but it doesn't put it on the desktop in UNE, as you have netbook-launcher or Unity
[09:04] <ev> ScottK: just reading through it all now
[09:04] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[09:06] <ev> ScottK: yes, 100%
[09:07] <ScottK> OK.  You're approved then.
[09:07] <ev> hooray
[09:07] <ev> thanks bunches
[09:07] <ev> and superm1, are you coming to UDS?
[09:07] <superm1> ev, sounds like i should be
[09:08] <ev> awesome, what's your beverage of choice?
[09:08] <superm1> any beers that i can't find local to home
[09:09] <ev> okay, cool :)  I owe you some for this, which I'll bring to UDS.
[09:10] <superm1> sweet
[09:10] <NCommander> ev: that doesn't seem right either
[09:11] <NCommander> Obviously we're missing something, but what that is is not clear
[09:11] <ogra> NCommander, there are a few gconf keys that add it to favorites, not sure how to mangle that for dove specifically though
[09:12] <ogra> (it would likely break the other arches to put it into ubuntu-netbook-efl-default-settings)
[09:13] <NCommander> ogra: considering that EFL UNE fails to start on x86, I'm not sure I care
[09:13] <ogra> err
[09:13] <ogra> but i do
[09:14] <ogra> why would it fail to start for you ? and why didnt you file a bug ?
[09:14]  * ogra knows that tobin tests regulary on x86
[09:14] <ogra> though i was more referring to omap
[09:14] <ogra> (and omap4)
[09:15] <ogra> the gconf key setting needs to come from somewhere else, casper or some such
[09:15] <ogra> i wont put it hardcoded into the settings
[09:15] <NCommander> ogra: well, cause I just found out ;-)
[09:15] <ogra> then file a bug
[09:15]  * NCommander fired it up in QEMU to test somethng and it failed to start
[09:16] <ogra> are you sure you picked the right session (it will default to unity)
[09:17] <ogra> i know that devilshorns did all development he did the last week on teh launcher in a qemu instance
[09:18] <CIA-28> usb-creator: superm1 * r326 usb-creator/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.2.25
[09:20] <ogra> NCommander, anyway, write a casper plugin that appends it to the gconf list of favorites and also adds the respective .desktop file entries in gconf and it should appear in your favorites
[09:21] <ogra> (but make sure the keys also get removed post install)
[09:28] <ara> ev, morning! I filed a bug about the issue with usb-creator as bug 645818
[09:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 645818 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "10.04.1 image created in Maverick does not boot in my Dell Mini9 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645818
[09:28] <ara> let me know if you need any other info
[09:30] <NCommander> ogra: ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:30] <NCommander> :-P
[09:30] <ogra> NCommander, ?
[09:30] <NCommander> ogra: doing gconf stuff
[09:31] <ogra> look at the postinst of ubuntu-netbook-efl-default-settings and the gownf-defaults file .... though it might be tricky to append and remove from a alist
[09:31] <ogra> *from a list
[09:31] <ogra> i never tried that, everything else is trivial
[09:32] <ogra> the tricky bit will be to teach casper to do it arch specific ... but i guess archdetect can help here
[09:54] <ev> ara: we had a discussion about this after you left last night, and it's a non-solvable problem for Maverick.  I've added it to the release notes, and will use your bug report to track adding a warning to usb-creator that the generated disk will not work with 10.04.
[09:54] <ara> ev, OK, thanks a lot for the update
[09:56] <ev> sure thing
[10:14] <ScottK> superm1: That usb-creator upload has a lot of backup.bzr noise in the diff.  Was that intentional?
[10:14] <ScottK> ev: ^^^
[10:15] <ev> doubtful
[10:15] <ScottK> How about I reject it and you or he tries again?
[10:20] <ev> surely
[10:21] <ScottK> OK.  Done.
[10:48] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4392 trunk/ (138 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[10:49] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4393 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[10:49] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[10:49] <CIA-28> ubiquity: 1.107ubuntu2.
[12:29] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4394 trunk/ (po/Makefile.in debian/changelog): releasing version 2.4.1
[12:42] <ev> ah bum, I didn't merge the libindicator abi branch.  I'll do that in the next upload.
[13:15] <rgreening> ev: bug #633712
[13:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633712 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "FFe: grub bootloader support (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633712
[13:16] <CIA-28> ubiquity: jriddell * r4395 trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs):
[13:16] <CIA-28> ubiquity: gui/qt/stepLanguage.ui: nicer icons and better layout on
[13:16] <CIA-28> ubiquity: language page (LP: #628808)
[13:29] <ev> rgreening: we discussed it in here a bit earlier in the day
[13:29] <ev> we just need to reupload it
[13:30] <rgreening> cool. just making sure it got to you. :)
[13:30] <ev> sure thing :)
[13:30] <rgreening> it seemed imp.
[13:30] <rgreening> ;P
[14:30] <Riddell> ev: shall I upload ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu ?
[14:34] <ev> Riddell: ah yeah, please do
[14:34] <ev> but do note that I forgot to debcommit the previous release
[14:34] <ev> so you'll have to mangle the changelog slightly
[14:57] <charlie-tca> ISO testing today; if you select the wrong keyboard layout, you can not go back and select the correct one in the Xubuntu desktop cd
[14:57] <charlie-tca> bug 646027
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646027 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Keyboard can not be changed in Ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646027
[14:58] <charlie-tca> Froze at the keyboard layout screen
[15:03] <ev> looking into it now
[18:43] <EtienneG> cjwatson, mad props for your help yesterday.  i ill blog the solution for posterity one day
[23:17] <CIA-28> ubiquity: superm1 * r4396 ubiquity/ (bin/oem-config-wrapper debian/changelog): Set the LANG before running oem-config-remove.


[16:45] <NCommander> so the ports kernel FTBFSes on sparc
[16:45] <NCommander> lovely
[16:45] <jbailey> NCommander, Did you and Andrew ever sort out something for the Itanium?
[16:45] <NCommander> jbailey: no. I haven't figured out how to bring the server into the United States
[16:46] <NCommander> I got as far as determining I need a letter from his declaring its a gift, and the value of the server, then I have to pay duty on it
[16:46] <jbailey> Hmm.
[16:46] <jbailey> It came from the US to me.
[16:47] <NCommander> jbailey: it is seemingly easier to bring it from US to Canada
[16:47] <NCommander> But to bring it back I need to declare it
[16:47] <jbailey> Meh.
[16:47] <jbailey> I have lots of suggestions, not of which I'll make on a logged channel.
[16:47] <jbailey> I'm reminded of a Savage Love column.
[16:47] <jbailey> I'll paraphrase.
[16:49] <jbailey> Exporting servers is hard.  You must be careful not to SMUGGLE IT ACROSS THE BORDER.  If you were to SMUGGLE IT ACROSS THE BORDER, then you could be liable for all sorts of things.  I would never advise you to SMUGGLE IT ACROSS THE BORDER, because I wouldn't want to encourage you to break US law.
[16:49] <jbailey> But there's a message in there, somewhere.
[16:53]  * NCommander got the message
[16:53] <NCommander> but I don't want to go to jail ;.;
[16:54] <NCommander> jbailey: what do you think the value of that server is?
[16:59] <jbailey> lamont, Accounting question for you!
[16:59] <jbailey> lamont, I have a capital asset that I want to dispose of.
[16:59] <jbailey> lamont, It was originally valued at about $25k, I suspect.
[16:59] <jbailey> lamont, Acquired by me in 2003.
[17:00] <jbailey> lamont, As it's a computer, it has fully depreciated in Canada (max 3 years, 2 is more common, but it's a server)
[17:00] <jbailey> lamont, However, I'm looking at selling the no-value asset to an American.
[17:00] <jbailey> lamont, Any guesses as to whether I could do so for $1?
[17:05] <lamont> fully depreciated says that it has zero value, and that you have deducted all of the cost of the asset as an expense.  therefore whatever money you may realize for disposing of your scrap would constitute income for you.
[17:05] <lamont> the other check that the IRS would maybe look at is whether or not there was other value received in addition to the $1.
[17:07] <lamont> and if you're selling it to a potential conflict-of-interest entity (like if I sold something the company that I own), would be a reasonability question:  if you were on either side of the transation, and someone you don't know/have a relationship with were on the other side of the table, would you still do the transaction.  evaluate from both sides
[17:07] <lamont> having said all that, I am not a tax advisor nor an accountant.  you should consult same for an opinion. </disclaimer>
[17:07] <NCommander> lamont: O_______o;
[17:08] <NCommander> lamont: why do you know that?
[17:08]  * NCommander is acquring the machine for personal usage
[17:09] <lamont> NCommander: it is an area of great interest to me, not just because I hold significant membership interest in 3 LLCs and one C-corp
[17:10]  * NCommander watches that fly right over his head and land somewhere in PA
[17:19] <NCommander> jbailey: what was andrew's IRC handle?
[19:26]  * NCommander is lost ...


[03:34] <panamajohn> my kubuntu guru died and I need to upgrade from whatever I have as it is firefox can't upgrade until I do. 1) How do I find out what version of Kubuntu I have on the machine
[03:35] <panamajohn> 2) do I have to back up by entire harddrive to upgrade?
[03:36] <panamajohn> Am I in the right place to ask these questions?
[03:43] <valorie> panamajohn: there is an "about system"
[03:43] <valorie> have you ever used krunner?
[03:44] <valorie> on my system it is alt+space
[03:44] <valorie> but older ones I think it is alt+f4
[03:44] <valorie> anyway, once it pops up, just type about and choose about system
[09:40] <user|41881> Hi
[09:40] <user|41881> Toll-free number pls
[09:40] <user|41881> Need some support with Installation
 user|41881: that's a good one
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 Hey
[11:58] <leo_> jjjj
[12:04] <pragomer> hi.  I just cannot browse my galaxy s7 on kubuntu via kde-connect: https://i.imgur.com/j7xguAZ.png
[12:04] <pragomer> is this a known issue?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> pragomer, does it show up on dolphin as TCT under devices?
[12:22] <pragomer> BluesKaj: no it does not show up in dolphin
[12:23] <BluesKaj> no pairing notice from either device?
[12:24] <pragomer> as you can see here, the device is paired: https://i.imgur.com/qqEC7If.png
[12:25] <pragomer> everything works so far, but not the most imporant thing: file-browsing in dolphin
[12:25] <pragomer> https://i.imgur.com/EfsTxjR.png
[12:25] <pragomer> I can also ring the phone from my desktop
[12:35] <pragomer> BluesKaj: ah yes, it DOES show in dolphin, but I get an error message: https://i.imgur.com/6Sl6Xh3.png
[12:37] <BluesKaj> pragomer, is your phone pw locked ?
[12:38] <pragomer> not at the moment that I tried to connect, no
[12:42] <BluesKaj> are the share file permissions correct ?
[12:42] <pragomer> BluesKaj: what do you mean exactly with this?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> make sure you have user permissions to access the files you want
[12:44] <pragomer> the files are on the phone. how to check them?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> dunno much about samsung phones
[13:29] <pragomer> BluesKaj: problem solved. I did not work with the version in playsore nore in f-droid. Both were version 1.12.x
[13:29] <pragomer> I took an older apk, version 1.10, and it worked.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, i saw your query in #kde
[13:33] <pragomer> BluesKaj: Thank you for your time
[13:33] <BluesKaj> pragomer, np
[13:34] <BluesKaj> happy you fixed it
[13:34] <pragomer> as am I ;-)
[15:40] <kevparish> Hi
[15:41] <kevparish> I'm new to Kubuntu, I'm struggling with display settings
 @kevparish, What's going on?
[22:00] <minasaleeb00> meow
[22:05] <tomreyn> a kat apparently