[00:46] <Ampelbein> seb128: added debdiff to bug 338963
[01:03] <seb128> Ampelbein: thank you, uploaded
[02:36] <doctormo> bryce: I'm trying to tell the computer to use a higher resolution on an external monitor, but xrandr doesn't list higher modes. Is 800x600 likely to be a limitation in the video card (intel) or is it that it can't find more useful information about available modes (for instance it knows it's a Dell monitor so i2c must work)
[02:41] <bryce> doctormo: cloned or extended?
[02:41] <bryce> doctormo: if extended, is your Virtual set correctly in your xorg.conf?
[02:45] <doctormo> bryce: I'd rather have it only on the external, but cloned seems to limit the resolution to that of the Asus Eeeps 800x480, and the virtual set was set automatically by the new jaunty screen resolution tool (to 800x1080)
[02:45] <bryce> that's your problem
[02:45] <bryce> you are getting 800x600 because that's the max that fits into 800x1080
[02:46] <bryce> what's the max resolution of your external monitor?
[02:47] <bryce> doctormo: if you only care about cloned mode, set Virtual to 2048x2048, that should suffice
[02:47] <bryce> if you want extended, you may need more
[02:47] <bryce> and report your bug to 'screen-resolution-extra'
[02:49] <doctormo> I'll try it,
[02:52] <doctormo> http://www0.dealtime.com/xPF-Dell-E173FPB-Charcoal-Gray FYI
[02:58] <doctormo> That worked for extended mode, but not for cloned, interesting
[02:59] <doctormo> And it broke the gnome bar (at the top and bottom) heh
[03:02] <doctormo> Bummer "Screen Resolution Extra does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker. "
[03:03] <bryce> sure it does
[03:04] <bryce> (was just looking at its bugs this morning)
[03:04] <bryce> here you go - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-resolution-extra/
[03:11] <doctormo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-resolution-extra/+bug/358147
[03:12] <doctormo> Yes I was looking at the none ubuntu package, hmm
[03:13] <doctormo> Thanks for your help bryce, I owe you another
[03:13] <bryce> :-)
[03:24] <tedg> Hey bryce, is there time for sponsorships left before freeze?
[03:25] <tedg> If so, can I bug you for one?  bug 356132
[03:27] <bryce> tedg: negotiating with wife (she's hankering for going out to dinner)
[03:29] <bryce> ok, you owe her a $beverage ;-)
[03:30] <doctormo> Oh god, those confirmations dialogs have been driving me insane, I hope I figure out how to switch them off. I don't expect my computer to question me.
[03:30] <tedg> doctormo: There's a preference for it, open the preference dialog :)
[03:30] <tedg> bryce, sounds good to me.  But she'll have to sing kareoke for me ;)
[03:31] <doctormo> tedg: Performous?
[03:31]  * tedg needs to go to Portland sometime bryce is actually in town.
[03:32] <bryce> tedg: hmmm, the GUI string change breaks string freeze
[03:32] <tedg> bryce, yes.  I know.  I wouldn't have changed it had the requester been anyone else :)
[03:32] <bryce> fair enough
[03:33] <tedg> davidbarth is going to work with the translation teams next week to try and get all of the last minute strings figured out.  :-/
[03:36] <tedg> bryce, thanks for sponsoring.  Send my apologies to the hungry wife.
[03:36] <bryce> will do :-)
[03:37] <bryce> just verifying it builds first...
[03:38] <bryce> uploaded.
[03:38]  * tedg hugs bryce, and his wife :)
[07:23] <asac> hmm ... not yet frozen?
[08:20] <asac> Nafallo: gajim somewhat doesnt work right with  latest indicate-python
[08:20] <asac> Nafallo: well. at least it doesnt indicate new messages
[08:21] <asac> just appears in the indicator applet (as an app) ... but no special bells and whistles when new messages arrive
[08:34] <seb128> bryce_, ted: are you joking with this fusa string change now? string freeze was over a month ago and that breaks translations
[08:34]  * seb128 reverts the fusa change
[08:37] <asac> lol
[08:37] <seb128> asac: hey, already awake? ;-)
[08:37] <asac> seb128: yeah ;) ... new approach is: wake up early and wake long :)
[08:37] <asac> work long
[08:37] <seb128> asac: "lol" ... sort of, we should force everybody to use a non english locale
[08:38] <asac> right. i completely agree
[08:38] <asac> was that uploaded? or just proposed for sponsorship?
[08:39] <seb128> uploaded
[08:39] <seb128> asac: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25091153/fast-user-switch-applet_2.24.0-0ubuntu10_2.24.0-0ubuntu11.diff.gz
[08:39] <seb128> -+			  <property name="label" translatable="yes">Show _confirm dialogs for logout, restart and shutdown</property>
[08:39] <seb128> ++			  <property name="label" translatable="yes">_Confirm logout, restart and shutdown</property>
[08:40] <seb128> "+    * Changing GUI string to make shorter to make dialog a better
[08:40] <seb128> +      size.
[08:40] <seb128> "
[08:40] <seb128> good that I'm watching -changes
[08:40] <asac> so its not that this slipped in by accident
[08:40] <seb128> no, it's just that english speaker have little considerations for translations ;-)
[08:41] <asac> yeah. but anyone should be able to remember that changing strings isnt good after string freeze ;)
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> anyone know what time does final freeze begin today?
[08:42] <asac> seb128: is rosetta smart enough to reinstantiate the old strings if the template gets reverted?
[08:42] <bryce> asac, scroll up
[08:42] <seb128> asac: dunno
[08:43] <asac> hmm
[08:43] <asac> bryce: you should be harder ;)
[08:43] <seb128> I've no scrollup, I close IRC during nights
[08:44] <seb128> but I did undo the string change now
[08:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson: no, european afternoon I would expect
[08:44] <asac> 04:32 < bryce> tedg: hmmm, the GUI string change breaks string freeze
[08:44] <asac> 04:32 < tedg> bryce, yes.  I know.  I wouldn't have changed it had the requester been anyone else :)
[08:44] <asac> 04:32 < bryce> fair enough
[08:44] <asac> seb128: ^^
[08:44] <asac> 04:33 < tedg> davidbarth is going to work with the translation teams next week to try and get all of the last minute strings figured out.  :-/
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks
[08:45] <asac> i am quite sure that "davidbarth is going to work with the translation teams" is really a risky assumption.
[08:45] <bryce> asac: why?
[08:46] <asac> bryce: i tried that once and found that translation teams have a latency of weeks rather than day to react
[08:46] <bryce> anyway, I don't care one way or another, sounded like this was ruled from on high
[08:46] <asac> some do it quick ... others dont do.
[08:46] <asac> ;)
[08:46] <seb128> bryce: there is just no way that we get translations for next week
[08:46] <seb128> string freeze was weeks ago
[08:46] <seb128> if somebody is unhappy send him my way, I did undo the change now
[08:47] <asac> seb128: tell that dbarth. he thinks he will be able to do that for a bunch of strings :)
[08:47] <asac> ok breakfast
[08:47] <seb128> it takes days for rosetta to import new templates and do exports
[08:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson: hum, they already froze jaunty apparently
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> thanks - i was wondering. i haven't seen an e-mail yet though
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> i was still working on some fusa changes ;)
[08:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson: I will try to get that in when you are ready
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks. it should be ready early this evening when i get back from work
[08:52] <seb128> excellent
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - did you see cody-somerville's e-mail to ubuntu-devel about the gnome-session change?
[08:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson: just did
[08:56] <Nafallo> asac: lovely
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i sent a reply explaining the change, but i'm moderated on that list ;)
[08:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson: I did quickly reply too
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:02] <asac> Nafallo: lovely? ;)
[09:02] <Nafallo> asac: called sarcasm ;-)
[09:02] <asac> Nafallo: does it work for you?
[09:03] <Nafallo> asac: I should know by now it doesn't work on IRC..
[09:04] <Nafallo> meh.
[09:04] <Nafallo> asac: is it in binary new or something?
[09:05] <asac> Nafallo: python indicate? not yet. i wanted to test gajim with it and ended up wondering what its supposed to do
[09:05] <asac> Nafallo: wonder if it has something to do with libindicate .15
[09:06] <Nafallo> asac: hehe. have to ask kenvandine_wk I guess. I only took the patch ;-)
[09:06] <Nafallo> asac: (and upstream did as well)
[09:07] <asac> Nafallo: the patch looks ok for gajim. only thing i find a bit obscure is that the indication seems only to be done when gajim is set to "popups" for notifications
[09:07] <asac> and of course that i dont get it to work ;)
[09:07] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:09] <davidbarth> asac: i'm already in touch with Arne and David Planella
[09:10] <davidbarth> asac: i've checked that all strings introduce at the time of the UIF are in the rosetta templates
[09:10] <davidbarth> asac: however some of them are not translated in all languages
[09:10] <seb128> davidbarth: there was a string change this night, I did undo it now
[09:10] <davidbarth> asac: Arne has helped raise the priority in rosetta
[09:10] <davidbarth> seb128: which one?
[09:10] <seb128> read log
[09:11] <seb128> that was discussed on this channel less than one hour ago
[09:11] <asac> davidbarth: ok. raising priorities should help a bit ... lets see how well that works out
[09:12] <asac> but changing string today is really, really late
[09:12] <asac> i think final export is next week
[09:12] <seb128> there is just no way that changing a string today will work
[09:13] <seb128> jaunty will not get that translated
[09:13] <seb128> and we will make the translators community angry at us for doing such late change
[09:13] <davidbarth> seb128: ok, spotted
[09:14] <davidbarth> seb128: I already refused a change in the gnome-mount dialog
[09:14] <davidbarth> seb128: I was not aware of this one
[09:14] <davidbarth> seb128: you did well; i cannot understand that it was ever committed; apologies
[09:14] <seb128> that's alright
 tedg: hmmm, the GUI string change breaks string freeze
 bryce, yes.  I know.  I wouldn't have changed it had the requester been anyone else :)
 fair enough
 davidbarth is going to work with the translation teams next week to try and get all of the last minute strings figured out.  :-/
 bryce, thanks for sponsoring.
[09:15] <seb128> no need to apologies, your team is new to the ubuntu process, string freezes, etc
[09:16] <davidbarth> bryce: ah... that's different kind of problem, thanks for the pointer
[09:16] <bryce> davidbarth: from that exchange I gathered you had directed this particular change be done, and figured I could help your team in a pinch
[09:17] <davidbarth> bryce: i was not that requester; that's why i'm concerned
[09:18] <seb128> davidbarth: anyway sort that with ted when he's aorund and  I ping me back if there is an issue
[09:18] <davidbarth> seb128: will do
[09:19] <seb128> thanks
[09:19] <didrocks> hi there o/
[09:19] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: I hope you crashed gracefully in your bed :)
[09:20] <seb128> didrocks: yeah, I'm looking forward to have a weekend and some extra sleep too though ;-)
[09:20] <didrocks> :-)
[09:20] <dpm> hi all, regarding the string changes, yes, davidbarth talked to me, but I directed him to ArneGoetje, since I'm still settling in. What I think we should do at some point is to better document the string freeze process and find a good way to let translators know about string freeze breaks.
[09:21] <davidbarth> dpm: yeah, but this one (fusa) was a rogue last minute change, nothing we had discussed previously
[09:22] <seb128> brb
[09:23] <bryce> davidbarth: there is confirmation from you on the bug itself - bug 356132
[09:24] <davidbarth> bryce: er?!
[09:24] <bryce> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/356132/comments/2
[09:24] <davidbarth> bryce: right, on the minimize button issue, not about the string change
[09:25] <lool> seb128: GNOME #575247
[09:25] <lool> seb128: I've just pushed a gnome-keyring workarounding seemingly the same bug on armel
[09:25] <seb128> lool: yes?
[09:25] <seb128> lool: should be fixed in 0ubuntu6 I uploaded yesterday
[09:25] <lool> Crap
[09:25] <lool> seb128: Ok; thanks, we should try it out
[09:25] <seb128> lool: see bug #328167
[09:26] <seb128> lool: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-keyring/trunk/egg/egg-secure-memory.c?r1=1706&r2=1705&pathrev=1706
[09:26] <seb128> lool: ups, bug #338158 I meant
[09:26] <lool> seb128: Just too bad I didn't notice you included the patch before adding the -O1 myself
[09:26] <seb128> Ng: ^ did you try the keyring update?
[09:26] <lool> seb128: Ah, that was your bug; thanks
 bryce: i was not that requester; that's why i'm concerned   <-- according to bug 356132 you were indeed the requester, so if not you, who was the requester ted referred to above?
[09:27] <lool> Didn't see it in the GNOME one
[09:27] <seb128> lool: you know about https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs/nnnnnn?
[09:27] <seb128> lool: reverse mapping, give you the launchpad bugs which point on GNOME nnnnnn
[09:27] <lool> seb128: No
[09:27] <lool> seb128: Thanks for telling me about it!
[09:27] <seb128> that can be handy ;-)
[09:27] <lool> Indeed
[09:28] <seb128> I've a smart bookmark on that
[09:28] <seb128> and a script which get all the ChangeLog #nnnnn so I can know what bugs to close with an update
[09:28] <lool> Eh I'm creating a smart bookmark as we speak :)
[09:28] <seb128> I just open a tab for each bugs and see which ones have matchin launchpad entries
[09:28] <lool> hehe
[09:28] <lool> Nice
[09:29] <didrocks> lool: I have done the same when seb128 told me about this :)
[09:29] <seb128> I should clean that and put it online
[09:29] <davidbarth> bryce: read the bug report
[09:29] <davidbarth> bryce: the bug was about the minimize button, *not* about making a string change
[09:52] <lool> seb128: Turns out we still the gkd issue with your patch
[09:52] <lool> So I'll keep the -O1
[09:53] <seb128> ok
[09:53] <seb128> there is some other svn changes apparently so I'm not sure this one is enough
[10:01] <Ng> seb128: just checked that I'm up to date, will reboot and give it a go
[10:02] <seb128> Ng: ok thanks
[10:22] <lool> seb128: coherence > I've not been following the specifics and don't think I'll look into it, feel free to push a patch if you have one
[10:23] <seb128> lool: some motus are on it apparently so I will let them handle that one
[10:23] <lool> Great
[10:24] <Ng> seb128: well I just did a loop of 153 ssh's and it seems fine :)
[10:24] <seb128> Ng: excellent!
[10:24] <Ng> indeed :)
[10:24] <seb128> Ng: thanks for testing
[10:24] <Ng> np
[11:21] <Ampelbein> seb128: sorry about breaking totem update.
[11:24] <seb128> Ampelbein: that's ok, I fixed it, that's what you get for doing review after 1oclock ;-)
[12:08] <davidbarth> seb128: ping? i've spotted two regressions, and one is a pidgin crasher
[12:08] <seb128> davidbarth: hello, which ones?
[12:08] <davidbarth> seb128: sabdfl's pidgin session keeps crashing
[12:08] <davidbarth> seb128: it's ok on my desktop but mirco sees that too
[12:09] <seb128> davidbarth: that's bug #357949
[12:09] <davidbarth> seb128: second, the volume notifications are not sent anymore (nothing in n-osd debug log), so there must be something wrong with the patch not being applied anymore, or so?
[12:09] <seb128> davidbarth: they can unset their buddy custom icon as workaround
[12:09] <seb128> davidbarth: g-s-d didn't change for several days, are you sure it's not on your side?
[12:10] <davidbarth> seb128: will double check and report in a few minutes
[12:59] <lool> seb128: The vfp stuff is merged in gtk+ as well in Debian; like pango, it will be 3 lines to uncomment or so until the change is merged in debian glibc
[12:59] <seb128> lool: ok thanks
[12:59] <seb128> lool: you uploaded the change to jaunty?
[13:00] <lool> seb128: I'm about to
[13:00] <lool> seb128: I was about to ask you whether it was ok to upload pango and gtk
[13:00] <seb128> lool: I update gtk this morning be sure to get the current version
[13:00] <seb128> updated
[13:00] <seb128> lool: yes
[13:00] <lool> Ok, thanks
[13:06] <lool> seb128: 2.16.0-1ubuntu3?
[13:06]  * lool goes checking unapproved
[13:06] <seb128> lool: no 1ubuntu4
[13:06] <lool> Ok
[13:06] <seb128> lool: it has been approved an hour ago
[13:06] <lool> aha
[13:07] <seb128> we need to put everything under bzr ;-)
[13:07]  * didrocks logs this :-)
[13:07] <seb128> didrocks: hey
[13:08] <seb128> didrocks: there is still a pidgin crash btw
[13:08] <didrocks> seb128: oh, really? It didn't crashed yesterday with the updated libxml package
[13:08] <didrocks> seb128: do you have a bug number with a procedure explaining how to crash it?
[13:08] <seb128> didrocks: it crashes when you have a custom buddy image for your jabber account or try to add one
[13:09] <seb128> didrocks: still the same bug number, it has been updated
[13:09] <didrocks> seb128: ok, if nothing changes, I will try to give a look tonight (but surely not before 8-9 PM). I can't access to jabber in my company
[13:12] <didrocks> seb128: I just don't understand exactly why pidgin interacts with gstreamer-plugins-bad (I can understand for usual gstreamer plugins, but why bad ones can be used too?)
[13:14] <seb128> didrocks: did you read the debian bug I pointed yesterday?
[13:17] <seb128> didrocks: sorry I was distracted again
[13:17] <seb128> didrocks: gstreamer installs a libxml error handler or something which conflicts with the libxml one
[13:17] <lool> seb128: I don't think you want the latest changes in gtk+2.0 in Debian as some seem intrusive (symbols and icon-cache changes)
[13:17] <lool> seb128: However you could sync the next experimental uploads if you wanted
[13:18] <seb128> lool: jaunty is frozen now, I'm in favor of not touched anything until karmic now
[13:18] <seb128> lool: but thanks for the notice
[13:18] <lool> seb128: Yup, we agree
[13:19] <seb128> touched -> touching
[13:19] <seb128> lool: thanks for syncing the ubuntu changes, I've been worked with kov to get in sync again but he missed some of the changes
[13:21] <lool> kov does a lot of typos / simple mistakes etc.
[13:21] <lool> I prefer checking what he changes too
[13:21] <didrocks> seb128: ok, so the error comes from the gstreamer way of handling libxml errors. Hum, not sure to be awaken when you provided the debian bug reference :)
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks: you replied after I gave the number
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks: there is a bug watch to the debian and gnome bug on launchpad too
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks: bug #357949
[13:23] <seb128> didrocks: no, the issue is a libxml one apparently, it doesn't let other software do things they should be able to do
[13:23] <seb128> didrocks: but I might be wrong, I will try to sort that with upstream when they are around
[13:23] <didrocks> seb128: ok, let me read the debian bug
[13:27] <lool> seb128: I'm preparing ubuntu6 with the VFP pass and an autotools-dev bdep; will push to our ARM ppa first to try it on armel.
[13:27] <lool> Err ubuntu5
[13:27] <seb128> lool: what about ubuntu5?
[13:27] <seb128> ok ;-)
[13:28] <seb128> didrocks: one course of action would be to disable the new error handle in gstreamer
[13:29] <didrocks> seb128: so, libxml triggers on errors any registered application and gstreamer is one of this, but the previous version of libxml was erasing schannel value even if it was not NULL, which is no more the case and make pigdin crashes, right?
[13:29] <lool> seb128: (and pango1.0 1.24.0-3ubuntu1)
[13:30] <seb128> didrocks: dunno about the previous libxml version, the bug is there for a while but nothing else was setting conflict hanlders before
[13:30] <seb128> lool: ok thanks
[13:30] <didrocks> seb128: ok, right, keep me in touch if I can be helpful (or if we use something like --gst-disable-segtrap)
[13:30] <didrocks> as a workaround
[13:31] <seb128> didrocks: if you have some time with it I would appreciate if you can give a try to the gst workaround
[13:31] <seb128> it try setting a custom icon for jabber
[13:31] <seb128> it will crash for pretty sure
[13:31] <asac> Nafallo: does gajim work for you at all? it doesnt open any chat for me anymore :(
[13:31] <seb128> and then try the gst change, if it fixes it upload
[13:32] <didrocks> seb128: I will try, but I can't before 8 PM
[13:34] <seb128> didrocks: that's ok, no hurry
[13:34] <seb128> thanks
[13:34] <didrocks> seb128: you will thank me if I can do something for it :)
[13:35] <seb128> ;-)
[13:37] <asac> Nafallo: gajim.py:3386: Warning: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.20.0/gobject/gsignal.c:3075: signal name `selection_changed' is invalid for instance `0x27bd690'
[13:37] <asac> those look suspicious
[13:38] <asac> Nafallo: hmm. seems like the "single window for everything" is broken. detaching window helps
[14:16] <Nafallo> asac: are you talking about WITH python-indicate now
[14:16] <Nafallo> ?
[14:22] <asac> Nafallo: no. with and without
[14:23] <asac> single-window mode is broken ;)
[14:23] <Nafallo> asac: JID?
[14:24] <Nafallo> asac: works for me.
[14:24] <Nafallo> up to date jaunty
[14:30] <asac> Nafallo: single window mode?
[14:31] <Nafallo> asac: that's all I'm ever using.
[14:38] <asac> sigh
[14:38] <asac> too bad ;)
[14:38] <asac> so no jabber for me until i figure
[14:46] <walters> does ubuntu use the "console" auth concept?
[14:47] <james_w> yeah
[14:47] <james_w> we're trying to move away from "at_console" though as I understand it
[14:47] <walters> ok thanks, i was really confused about this bug
[14:48] <walters> james_w: is root also at console?
[14:48] <james_w> that I'm not sure about
[14:49] <james_w> can I take a look at the bug?
[14:49] <walters> (it's not on fedora, but is on suse)
[14:49] <walters> james_w: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577122
[14:52] <jcastro> hey seb128, james_w was linking me to this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578444
[14:53] <jcastro> is that related to this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/207781
[14:54] <seb128> jcastro: that's basically http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154029
[14:54] <jcastro> right
[14:54] <jcastro> seb128: so we fixed it sometime between comment 33 and 34?
[14:54] <seb128> jcastro: the patch has been written by matthew garrett
[14:55] <seb128> jcastro: dunno, who did incremental changes
[14:55] <seb128> jcastro: what is the issue?
[14:56] <jcastro> seb128: I am trying to figure out what happened here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154029#c34
[14:57] <seb128> jcastro: it happened that they never bothered commenting on the patches so we didn't bother updating them either
[14:58] <mclasen> jcastro: I told peter to look at porting the ubuntu patch to device properties
[14:58] <mclasen> but he came back and told me that it was already using properties...
[14:58] <seb128> jcastro: I'm not sure who did the patch update, that's somebody from #ubuntu-x not #ubuntu-desktop I think
[14:58] <james_w> walters: so, we have the root section as well
[14:59] <jcastro> seb128: I think it was wgrant and reviewed by bryce?
[14:59] <mclasen> the patch that we ended up using is a bit different from yours, though. peter added 'disable while typing' support
[14:59] <jcastro> mclasen: ok I am just trying to figure out why no one raised their hand when they felt the patch was ready for upstreaming
[14:59] <seb128> jcastro: right
[14:59] <mclasen> jcastro: its time to finally get this all upstream
[14:59] <jcastro> if it ever got to that point
[15:00] <james_w> walters: kees's suggestion just duplicates the root parts to an at_console. Is there something running as the user when it should be root?
[15:00] <jcastro> mclasen: nod
[15:00] <mclasen> jcastro: I'm not blaming anyone, really. I'm just happy that peter got this working for us very quickly...
[15:00] <walters> james_w: doesn't look like it, both the send and recieve side are uid=0 in the log
[15:01] <seb128> jcastro: I think that one is a case where different people touched the thing, the original author (matthew) didn't upstream it and nobody cared to update the upstream bug when fixing issues
[15:01] <jcastro> mclasen: yeah that's ok, we used to get alot of flak about this kind of thing and we've made alot of progress to fix it so I just wanted to make sure
[15:01]  * jcastro isn't looking to assign blame or anything like that
[15:01] <jcastro> seb128: ok so we can all agree to blame garrett, sounds fine to me. :p
[15:02] <seb128> jcastro: ;-)
[15:05] <mclasen> peter also fixed the dontzap fiasco, good guy...
[15:06] <jcastro> mclasen: I "collect" bugs about patch issues, so feel free to ping me when things like this happen
[15:18] <myrandomstuff> hello all
[15:20] <tseliot> mclasen: when will those patches be included in Gnome? In which version of Gnome?
[15:21] <mclasen> tseliot: not my call, but I hope to see them in 2.28
[15:21] <tseliot> mclasen: ok
[15:35] <myrandomstuff> would this be a good place to get some assistance with Audacity?
[15:37] <kenvandine_wk> asac: i have an update to indicate-python... bug 358483, can you give it an ack?
[15:38] <kenvandine_wk> asac: it includes better fixes than we had yesterday :)
[15:38] <kenvandine_wk> james_w: can you do the same please?
[15:39] <asac> kenvandine_wk: did they fix the licensing?
[15:39] <asac> ;)
[15:39] <asac> sorry if i sound like a broken record
[15:39] <kenvandine_wk> yes
[15:39] <kenvandine_wk> they merged my branch :)
[15:39] <asac> ok looking ;)
[15:39] <asac> kenvandine_wk: err. the tests/
[15:39] <asac> those i care most about ;)
[15:39] <kenvandine_wk> well... i know
[15:40] <kenvandine_wk> i told them
[15:40] <asac> kenvandine_wk: you could hav esuggested a similar merge
[15:40] <kenvandine_wk> but it is better than yesterda :)
[15:40] <james_w> they are done
[15:41] <kenvandine_wk> i need 2 ubuntu-dev acks right?
[15:42] <james_w> nope, that's just for new packages
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> ah
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> good :)
[15:42] <james_w> you now need motu-release ACK, and one dev to upload
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[15:43] <james_w> looks fine to me
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> great
[15:43] <james_w> how does this stand with 0.1.5 compatibility
[15:43] <james_w> anything to be aware of?
[15:44] <kenvandine_wk> better than yesterday
[15:44] <kenvandine_wk> there is one bug
[15:44] <kenvandine_wk> but doesn't affect anything yet
[15:44] <kenvandine_wk> but that bug existed yesterday as well
[15:44] <kenvandine_wk> this is basically a better fix than what tedg had yesterday
[15:44] <asac> kenvandine_wk: they are fixed ;)
[15:45] <asac> kenvandine_wk: how about shipping them in examples?
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> from eeejay
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> asac: i would rather have the makefile do that in make install
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> but i guess i could just do that in the packaging
[15:45] <asac> right
[15:45] <asac> just a suggestion
[15:45] <asac> definitly nothing essential
[15:46] <kenvandine_wk> just feels ugly to me... :)
[15:46] <james_w> kenvandine_wk: so you can't write a listener in python currently?
[15:46] <kenvandine_wk> james_w: right
[15:46] <james_w> I don't think that's an issue really
[15:47] <kenvandine_wk> asac: so /usr/share/doc/python-indicate/tests
[15:47] <kenvandine_wk> ?
[15:47] <kenvandine_wk> james_w: right... not urgent atm
[15:48] <asac> kenvandine_wk: yeah. thats a possibility
[15:49] <james_w> kenvandine_wk: make it /usr/share/doc/python-indicate/examples I guess
[15:49] <eeejay> kenvandine_wk: oops, i forgot to include the tests in the dist
[15:49] <asac> +                                     (guint) indicator,
[15:49] <asac> isnt that a pointer? ;)
[15:49] <asac> GPOINTER_TO_UINT (indicator) ;)
[15:49] <dobey> james_w: btw, any luck with a bzr 1.13.2 release including that patch?
[15:49] <kenvandine_wk> eeejay: can you respin the tarball?
[15:49] <eeejay> asac: it isn't in 0.1.5 anymore
[15:49] <james_w> dobey: I enquired about it yet, but I imagine 1.13.2 will be after 1.14
[15:50] <asac> eeejay: what isnt in 0.1.5?
[15:50] <james_w> dobey: also there is another bug they are chasing that will be fixed in 1.13.2 as well, and I'm not sure they've nailed it yet
[15:50] <asac> eeejay: you mean:
[15:50] <asac> -                                     (guint) *indicator,
[15:50] <asac> +                                     (guint) indicator,
[15:50] <eeejay> asac: IndicateListenerIndicator is not an int/pointer anymore
[15:50] <asac> ?
[15:50] <eeejay> asac: yup
[15:51] <dobey> james_w: ah
[15:51] <asac> eeejay: stilly you cast the pointer to guint ;)
[15:51] <asac> still
[15:51] <eeejay> asac where are you pulling those lines from?
[15:51] <kenvandine_wk> asac: ok, i pushed the packaging branch again... installs the examples
[15:51] <asac> eeejay: bzr diff
[15:51] <asac> kenvandine_wk: greawt
[15:52] <eeejay> asac: exactly, that is why it is broken ;)
[15:54] <asac> eeejay: hmm. so its even broken in 0.0.3?
[15:54] <eeejay> asac: yes
[15:54] <asac> eeejay: is there a fix somewhere?
[15:55] <eeejay> asac: i have a branch for libindicate and indicate-python that fixes this
[15:55] <eeejay> asac: but we are running late, and it requires libindicate  changes too
[15:56] <eeejay> asac: here is my conversation with tedg regarding it:
[15:56] <tedg> asac: This is in the listener interface that does not work in the python bindings.
[15:56] <asac> tedg: ok.
[15:56] <eeejay> asac: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted-gould/indicator-applet/python-bindings-dont-know-what-im-doing/+merge/5366
[15:56] <tedg> asac: So in 0.0.3 it doesn't work differently :)
[15:56] <asac> tedg: so do you have any clue why gajim doesnt work? it doesnt change state of the indicator when message notify happens
[15:57] <asac> kenvandine_wk: may i suggest to use dh_install -p... ? instead of move?
[15:57] <kenvandine_wk> sure
[15:57] <Nafallo> asac: so the binary passed binary new now?
[15:57] <tedg> asac: No, I do not.  kenvandine_wk thought it was something to do with them modifying his patch.
[15:57] <asac> Nafallo: not sure ;)
[15:57] <asac> Nafallo: havent checked
[15:58] <Nafallo> asac: wouldn't it be hard for me to reproduce something without having all the parts you reckon?
[15:58] <asac> tedg: hmm. its odd .. the code is the same as the example im client
[15:58] <asac> tedg: and i added print and it definitly gets to indicator.show
[15:58] <kenvandine_wk> asac: you looked at gajim?
[15:58] <asac> Nafallo: you know how to build a package, right ;)?
[15:58] <tedg> asac: Hmm, can you run "/usr/lib/indicator-applet/listen-and-print" in a terminal and see what gajim is sending?
[15:58] <Nafallo> asac: I'm at work. if it's not quick I can't prioritise it.
[15:59] <asac> kenvandine_wk: i wanted to look at gajim, but then i found that my single-window-mode is completely borked and stopped looking further on top of a flaky base ;)
[15:59] <asac> e.g. my single-chat window doesnt even open here
[15:59] <asac> kenvandine_wk: do you see the same behaviour that i described above in gajim (e.g. no change of status in indicator)?
[15:59] <asac> Nafallo: that package is tiny ;)
[16:00] <Nafallo> asac: I haven't got a build environment except PPAs...
[16:00] <asac> Nafallo: dget https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/indicate-python/0.0.2-0ubuntu1/+files/indicate-python_0.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc; dpkg-source -x *.dsc; cd indicate-pyth*/; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ;)
[16:00] <asac> Nafallo: ok
[16:00] <kenvandine_wk> asac: yeah... which is weird
[16:00] <kenvandine_wk> it worked before
[16:01] <kenvandine_wk> the im-client example still works
[16:01] <kenvandine_wk> gwibber still work
[16:01] <kenvandine_wk> s
[16:03] <eeejay> kenvandine_wk: re-uploading tarball now
[16:04] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[16:05] <eeejay> done
[16:15] <asac> reuploading tarball?
[16:15] <asac> is there a new release?
[16:15] <kenvandine_wk> asac: no... just added the tests dir to the dist target
[16:15] <kenvandine_wk> they weren't included
[16:18] <kenvandine_wk> asac: i pushed a change to use dh_install
[16:19] <asac> kenvandine_wk: ok. through a new tarball?
[16:20] <asac> e.g. do i need to update the tarball?=
[16:20] <kenvandine_wk> yeah :/
[16:20] <kenvandine_wk> the tests were missing in the tarball
[16:21] <asac> kenvandine_wk: err. you also need to do a new merge in bzr i guess
[16:21] <asac> otherwise it will show up in diff.gz as a negative diff i would think
[16:21] <kenvandine_wk> oh right... damn
[16:21] <kenvandine_wk> yeah
[16:21]  * kenvandine_wk does that
[16:22] <kenvandine_wk> asac: done... thx!
[16:22] <eeejay> ok, i am off for a while
[16:22] <kenvandine_wk> later eeejay
[16:22] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[16:22] <eeejay> kenvandine_wk: no, thank you :)
[16:56] <kenvandine_wk> so i appear to have been hit by the pidgin crashes when connecting to jabber bug :)
[16:59] <seb128> yeah, it's a popular one today
[17:02] <kenvandine_wk> asac: i got an ack for indicate-python, can you upload it?
[17:04] <asac> kenvandine_wk: yeah
[17:05] <kenvandine_wk> asac: thx
[17:07] <asac> argh. so i managed to upload the previous tarball. too bad. but well. at least the diff is in the right direction
[17:09] <asac> got struck by new bzr bd behaviour (preferring builds/ tarball over tarballs)
[17:18] <pitti> Good morning
[17:18] <pitti> how's things?
[17:19]  * pitti hugs the channel
[17:19] <asac> pitti: all good. i am in easter mode, but still working :)
[17:20] <kenvandine_wk> pitti!
[17:20] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: got a few minutes to look at something?
[17:20] <seb128> hey hey pitti
[17:21] <asac> kenvandine_wk: ok i reuploded it with a new tarball version
[17:21] <seb128> pitti: I'm looking forwarding the weekend and getting some sleep but otherwise good
[17:21] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: hey, what's up?
[17:21] <kenvandine_wk> bug 353768
[17:21] <asac> kenvandine_wk: you can bzr merge lp:~asac/indicator-applet/0.0.3+1
[17:21] <kenvandine_wk> mvo uploaded a fix to his ppa for testing
[17:21] <kenvandine_wk> asac: will do
[17:21] <seb128> pitti: I did the notify-osd update btw
[17:22] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: but... ekiga is still held back in update-manager
[17:22] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: but not with dist-upgrade
[17:22] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: does that make any sense?
[17:23] <asac> kenvandine_wk: does dist-upgrade install NEW packages?
[17:23] <asac> or remove packages?
[17:23] <kenvandine_wk> yeah
[17:23] <asac> if so, its expected
[17:23] <asac> oh update-manager
[17:23] <kenvandine_wk> i would expect the same behavior
[17:23] <asac> thought it would install NEW packages
[17:24] <seb128> update-manager doesn't do that if you don't use the dist-upgrade mode
[17:24] <kenvandine_wk> oh
[17:24] <asac> seb128: update-manager doesnt install NEW packages?
[17:24] <asac> ok then it explains my confusion ;)
[17:24] <seb128> asac: not the standard mode, when there is new packages to install it displays an extra dialog which runs the dist-upgrade mode if required
[17:25] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: hang on, talking to sb, back in 5
[17:25] <seb128> ie it ask you on startup if you want to open the dist-upgrader
[17:25] <asac> hmm. maybe is should use update manager more
[17:25] <seb128> is = you?
[17:25] <asac> I ;)
[17:25]  * kenvandine_wk grabs a bite to eat... back soon
[17:33] <pitti_> seb128: I saw, thanks
[17:34] <asac> [ubuntu/jaunty] indicate-python 0.0.3+1-0ubuntu1 (Waiting for approval)
[17:37] <pitti_> kenvandine_wk: ah, that looks like an apt quirk
[17:40] <pitti_> kenvandine_wk: if the number of dependencies to the old package is not significantly smaller than the number of dependencies to the new one, it prefers to hold it back
[17:40] <pitti_> kenvandine_wk: can you please talk to mvo about it? seems he solved it already in his ppa
[17:40]  * pitti_ is just too busy here, hard to find a quiet spot
[17:40] <pitti_> but then again, that's the point of the conf :)
[17:45] <kenvandine_wk> pitti_: mvo
[17:45] <kenvandine_wk> 's fix doesn't work
[17:45] <kenvandine_wk> and now he is on holiday
[17:45] <asac> kenvandine_wk: whats the problem?
[17:46] <kenvandine_wk> asac: ekiga is getting held back
[17:46] <asac> kenvandine_wk: what kind of transition was done with ekiga packaging?
[17:46] <kenvandine_wk> to quote mvo "it is apt being stupid"
[17:46] <kenvandine_wk> dist-upgrade gets it
[17:47] <asac> right. but what are the changes that ekiga got that lead to this?
[17:47] <pitti_> kenvandine_wk: update-manager you mean?
[17:47] <kenvandine_wk> asac that is what he tried in his ppa... but no luck
[17:47] <kenvandine_wk> he said apt
[17:47] <pitti_> kenvandine_wk: why do the libpt2.6* packages conflict to the libpt2.4* ones in the first place? that looks like the root of the problem
[17:47] <kenvandine_wk> asac version bump
[17:47] <pitti_> kenvandine_wk: we give packages different library sonames so that we can avoid those
[17:47] <pitti_> hmm
[17:47] <kenvandine_wk> mvo didn't think so
[17:48] <asac> yeah lib2.6 shoulnt conflict lib2.4
[17:49] <kenvandine_wk> maybe that would fix it... mvo and slangask has discussed this in detail... i'd think they would have tried that
[17:49] <pitti_> Package: libpt2.6.1-plugins-v4l2
[17:49] <pitti_> Conflicts: [...
[17:49] <pitti_> libpt2.4.2-plugins-v4l2
[17:49] <seb128> slangasek and cjwatson were wondering about this conflicts too yesterday I think
[17:50] <pitti_> that looks wrong
[17:50] <kenvandine_wk> ok, i will try to fix that
[17:50] <pitti_> the previous version did it as well, I think, but it's still wrong
[17:50] <kenvandine_wk> pitti_: it did...
[17:50] <pitti_> seb128: do you have some time to help kenvandine_wk with that? I need to go offline again
[17:50] <kenvandine_wk> which is what i followed
[17:51] <kenvandine_wk> i'll get it in my ppa and test
[17:51] <asac> conflicting would require a package removal and that is what update-manager doesnt do
[17:51] <seb128> pitti_: I will try having a look but I'm away for sport soon
[17:51] <seb128> asac: well, when you need a removal it opens this dialog asking if you want to dist-upgrade
[17:51] <seb128> or if you need a new package to be installed
[17:52] <asac> seb128: given that dist-upgrade works i guess its really the removal. i remember that mvo told me at some point that he never removes packages except for dist-upgrades
[17:53] <asac> personally i have never seen the "dist-upgrade" dialog you refer to
[17:53] <seb128> ok, so maybe the dialog is to install new packages only
[17:53] <asac> just what you get when running update-manager -d
[17:53] <asac> seb128: yeah. i think its for new
[17:53] <asac> update-manager installs new, but doesnt remove packages, while apt-get upgrade does neither, and dist-upgrade does both :) ... hope thats correct now ;)
[17:54] <seb128> is the content of those libs actually conflicting?
[17:54] <seb128> why has the conflicts there been used?
[17:54] <asac> if not, just drop the conflicts
[17:54] <asac> ;)
[17:54] <seb128> who did the update?
[17:55] <asac> doesnt look like they conflict
[17:55] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147765/
[17:55] <asac> unless libpt2.4 shipped 2.6 files :-P
[18:01] <asac> Build conflicts: libpt2.6.1 libpt2.4.2
[18:14] <Ng> ok, so either xul things (FF/TB) can't talk to gnome-vfs anymore, or I'm on crack and they never could
[18:15] <Ng> I just had someone in the office say they can't attach files from an sftp share to email in TB because it's not showing up in the volume list, and they're right, and the same happens on mine, but I can't completely confirm that it ever did work because I've never done it myself
[18:16] <seb128> Ng: the fileselector is using gvfs nowadays so the sftp share is not in gnomevfs
[18:16] <Ng> sorry, my bad, I mean gvfs
[18:16] <seb128> is the share in gedit for example?
[18:17] <Ng> yes
[18:17] <seb128> ok, so talk to asec
[18:17] <seb128> asac
[18:17] <seb128> they might be using the fileselector in local mode
[18:17] <seb128> you can still browse .gvfs but that's not obvious
[18:17] <seb128> or use a GNOME email client ;-)
[18:20] <Ng> seb128: I'll mention the .gvfs workaround and conferr with asac asap (if he has any sense he's already enjoying his easter weekend ;)
[18:20] <seb128> the distro team people don't have any sense usually don't worry ;-)
[18:21] <seb128> or not just on freeze line for a new version ;-)
[18:22] <seb128> that being said time for sport bbl
[18:25] <calc> Ng: it should be fairly easy to get FF/TB to work with gvfs fuse
[18:26] <calc> Ng: if your app has gtk dialog but not gio support you can tell GFile to give you file paths instead of uris
[18:26] <calc> Ng: i changed OOo to doing that for this release since its gnomevfs and gio support was broken
[18:29] <Ng> calc: I'm fairly sure this was working
[19:37] <didrocks> seb128: every stacktraces have no function shown in #0 (I think, the call of gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad function) , people didn't install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-dbg?
[19:39] <didrocks> (it seems you said that it's fixed, but my question still exists, btw ;))
[19:40] <didrocks> (and ok, you took the proposed patch in debian BTS for pidgin)
[19:42] <Keybuk_> YOUR POWER IS CRITICALLY LOW AND I'm ABOUT TO HIBER*bzzp*
[19:42] <Keybuk_> Too Late!
[19:42] <hyperair> lolwut
[19:52] <Nafallo> asac: hi
[20:12] <seb128> didrocks: the crash is not in gst but libxml
[20:59] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: i removed the Conflicts and the Replaces... still not fixing the problem


[00:00] <apachelogger> last kdelibs upload also was feb 15
[00:00] <persia> So, we'd expect kdelibs to work
[00:00] <apachelogger> yes, reinstalling kdelibs5 - unity still works
[00:00] <persia> But kdebase is broken (uses old binaries)
[00:01] <apachelogger> looks like it
[00:01] <persia> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62899430/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdeartwork_4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:02] <apachelogger> that is an intersting fail
[00:02] <persia> NCommander, Did you say that the bottom of the KDE stack is kdebindings?
[00:03]  * apachelogger loves how bindings always breaks arm building
[00:05] <ogra> lool, well, i think running_subarch is the wrong approach for consistency, all other arches use a fixed value apart from the ubuntu subarch detection stuff, i was more after finding out if imx51 is the right arch to use here (i'm not sure which flavour name is used on the efikas)
[00:05] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[00:05] <apachelogger> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[00:05] <apachelogger> 0x414fbee0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libphonon.so.4
[00:06] <persia> ogra, imx51 is the kernel flavour (linux-linaro-imx51)
[00:06] <ogra> ok
[00:06] <apachelogger> phonon needs a rebuild against ubuntu9
[00:08] <lool> persia, ogra: I checked the build log, and the vmlinuz file is called
[00:09] <lool> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.37-1003-linaro-mx51
[00:09] <lool> so maybe it should be linaro-mx51?
[00:09] <ogra> aha !
[00:09] <NCommander> persia: yeah
[00:09] <ogra> thanks !!
[00:09] <lool> just a guess
[00:09] <lool> it might be sed-ed down to mx51
[00:09] <persia> lool, Oh, maybe.  Is "linaro" part of $FLAVOUR?
[00:09] <ogra> i'll test that tomorrow before i upload
[00:09] <ogra> persia, doesnt matter :)
[00:10] <ogra> it depends what the sed command drops out
[00:10] <ogra> and i'll use that
[00:10] <lool> uname -r says 2.6.37-1003-linaro-mx51
[00:10] <persia> ogra, Yes it does: we ought be semantically correct.  if we're not, then we have a kernel bug.  If we are, then we may have a sed bug.
[00:10] <lool> persia: What's $FLAVOUR?
[00:10] <persia> Otherwise it all becomes guesswork.
[00:10] <ogra> in the context atm it doesnt matter, i wont change the function
[00:11] <lool> CONFIG_VERSION_SIGNATURE="Ubuntu 2.6.37-1003.6-linaro-mx51 2.6.37"
[00:11] <ogra> i will just add the right value to the one line change i do so it matches the kernel naming
[00:11] <persia> lool, It's the type of kernel built.  I believe it's defined by the existence of./debian.${ENV}/config/vars.${FLAVOUR}
[00:12] <persia> ogra, OK.  Don't blame me if I change the kernel and you have to do it again.
[00:12] <lool> So I checked flash-kernel and check_subarch compares with subarch which is set as subarch=$(echo "$kfile" | sed -e 's/.*-//')
[00:13] <ogra> persia, why would you change linaro kernels ?
[00:13] <lool> so the correct subarch would be mx51
[00:13] <ogra> k
[00:13] <ogra> i would have checked that anyway
[00:13] <persia> ogra, Because when *any* package in Ubuntu is semantically wrong, I get annoyed at it.
[00:13] <apachelogger> ^^
[00:13] <ogra> i'm to tired to upload tonight
[00:13] <lool> persia: Oh ok; I thought you meant some runtime thing
[00:14] <persia> lool, No.  If you don't know offhand, I'll check the linux-linaro source.  I suspect that "linaro" is not part of the flavour, but just want to make sure.
[00:15] <persia> apachelogger, Indeed: phonon built nicely against ubuntu8, sadly.
[00:15] <persia> NCommander, Do you know which was the first revision of qt4-x11 to have issues?
[00:15] <lool> looking at 2.6.37-1003.6, I see the config is named config.flavour.linaro-mx51
[00:15] <lool> persia: ^
[00:15]  * persia thinks it might be best to ask for a mass-rebuild from an LP-generated lsit
[00:16] <apachelogger> persia: if that is the issue at all ;)
[00:16] <apachelogger> phonon ubuntu4 uploaded, should be finished in some 20 minutes
[00:17] <persia> lool, Indeed.  I'm not sure that's how it ought be done: I think it would make more sense to have linux-linaro as SRCPACKAGE, with flavours "mx51", etc.  So we'd end up with linux-linaro-image-foo-mx51 rather than linux-image-foo-linaro-mx51
[00:17] <persia> apachelogger, Let's see.  NCommander said it was at :09
[00:19] <lool> persia: Ah I can speak in favor of linux-image-*: apparently this pattern is used in places like d-i, and it's a bad idea to diverge from it
[00:20] <NCommander> persia: it was an issue with GCC, not qt
[00:20] <lool> persia: it was a design choice to have the packages be named linux-image-linaro-foo rather than linux-linaro-image-foo
[00:20] <persia> NCommander, I understand the root, but would the miscompiled qt4-x11 cause the segfaulting apachelogger is seeing in phonon?
[00:20] <lool> it's quite a dance to get this right across all binary packages and meta packages
[00:21] <persia> lool, I understand.  I don't like it.  I hope you understand why I don't like it.  I'll leave it alone for now.
[00:21] <persia> (and thanks for reminding me: I have to do a -meta)
[00:23] <persia> Oh, and to be clear, I don't care about linux-image-linaro-foo-mx51, it's the linux-image-foo-linaro-mx51 I don't like (but the former is hard to arrange with the kernel packaging scripts as they exist)
[00:24] <lool> ah with foo you meant ABI and version
[00:25] <lool> yeah linux-image-linaro-foo-mx51 is hard
[00:25] <persia> Yeah.
[00:25] <lool> more of a limitation
[00:25] <persia> I'm not sure it's a limitation, just would need definition and insertion of $VENDOR
[00:26] <lool> I mean, it's just not provisioned in the current implementation
[00:26] <persia> I'd like to fix it at some point, so that $FLAVOUR as defined in the kernel packaging and $FLAVOUR as detected by the many sed scripts again have the same value.  Doesn't have to be soon.
[00:30] <GrueMaster> persia: I think the fix in qt4-x11 is only temporary to disable precompiled headers.  The real fix is in gcc, and I am not sure if that has been released to update the toolchain.  If that is the case, we may need to rebuild kde with precompiled headers off as well.  Not sure.
[00:30] <persia> Probably just an entry in debian.linaro/control.d/vars.* and corresponding bit in flavour-control.stub, really.
[00:30] <GrueMaster> apachelogger: ^^^
[00:31] <persia> GrueMaster, apachelogger just tried a test recompile with phonon to see if that's sufficient.  We'll know more RSN
[00:31] <GrueMaster> Sorry, I was at the UPS store earlier.
[00:31] <GrueMaster> I don't think a simple recompile will fix it, but I could be wrong.
[00:32] <GrueMaster> NCommander: want to weigh in?
[00:32] <persia> More testing is welcome :)
[00:33] <persia> GrueMaster, What's the name of the maverick dove kernel meta package?
[00:34] <ogra> linux-mvl-dove
[00:35] <GrueMaster> Yep.  Was just verifying.
[00:35]  * ogra had to fight with the headers on the weekend ...
[00:35] <persia> ogra, That's real kernel, not the meta.
[00:35] <ogra> else i would have had to look it up too :)
[00:36] <apachelogger> still segfaulting \o/
[00:36] <ogra> persia, nope. thats the meta
[00:36] <persia> Not according to the source I'm looking at.
[00:36] <ogra> linux-image-mvl-dove is the kernel
[00:36] <persia> Ah, maybe I should ask: what's the name of the source package that provides that?
[00:36] <ogra> well, the kernels meta
[00:37] <apachelogger> GrueMaster, persia: rebuild apparently does not help :S
[00:37] <persia> NCommander, Any suggestions for workarounds that could help apachelogger?
[00:37] <ogra> persia, linux-meta-mvl-dove
[00:38] <persia> Thanks!  That's the one permutation I didn't try before giving up.
[00:38] <ogra> and the binaries of meta and kernel are actually just linux-dove and linux-image-dove
[00:39] <ogra> dunno where the mvl vanished to
[00:39]  * apachelogger installs dbg symbols
[00:39] <persia> ogra, The kernel packaging hackery fails to define VENDOR consistently (see above), with results like that.
[00:40] <ogra> yep
[00:40] <ogra> well, its gone from the archive since last week
[00:40] <ogra> so nothing to worry about anymore
[00:40] <ogra> (for now)
[00:40] <persia> Fixing it probably means me generating some PoC kernel hackery, and taking it to UDS, and getting it applied to all vendor kernels.
[00:41] <persia> Still have TI and Linaro kernels in the archive though.
[00:41] <ogra> well, linaro wants to have the branding in the package name as i understand
[00:41] <apachelogger> yay
[00:41] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/568547/
[00:41] <apachelogger> looks familiar
[00:41] <ogra> and TI can hopefully be built from upstream next round
[00:42] <persia> Yes, but there's always going to be reasons why vendor kernels are interesting, and it makes sense to do them right, rather than half-way and hackishly
[00:42] <ogra> agreed
[00:42] <apachelogger> persia: supposedly gcc 4.5 should be fixed, otherwise we'd need a pile of force-gcc-4.4 changes
[00:42] <ogra> i just meant its not for natty
[00:43] <ogra> anyway, nearly 2am ...
[00:43] <persia> Oh, indeed.  See earlier comment about UDS.
[00:43] <persia> Good night :)
[00:43]  * ogra vanishes
[00:43] <persia> apachelogger, The Linaro GCC team was looking at it.  I don't know current status.
[00:53] <XorA|gone> morning
[00:54] <persia> Good morning.
[00:54] <NCommander> apachelogger: persia I'm honestly not sure why sip is choking
[00:55] <persia> NCommander, I'm not fussed about sip: I'm concerned about phonon segfaulting, when it wasn't before.  Does *everything* have to be rebuilt, or is there a workaround of some sort?
[00:56] <persia> And if everything is rebuilt, will it need to be rebuilt again once gcc is fixed?
[00:57] <NCommander> persia: I wasn't aware of phonon segfaulting
[00:58] <NCommander> persia: that beign said, since we were dealing with a miscomplication, everything might need a bump-build :-/
[00:58] <persia> That's not enough.
[00:58] <persia> So, phonon was built against qt4-x11 ...ubuntu8, which was broken.  It segfaulted.  apachelogger rebuilt it against ...ubuntu9, which is the latest.  Same segfault.
[00:59] <persia> konsole is even segfaulting.
[00:59] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568547/
[01:00] <NCommander> apachelogger: what hardware are you one?
[01:02] <apachelogger> NCommander: n900
[01:02] <GrueMaster> apachelogger: Try building with gcc-4.4 & adding -no-pch to the extra_configure_opts.  This is what was needed to get a working qt.
[01:03]  * apachelogger i going to bed in a bit
[01:03] <GrueMaster> Just building with gcc 4.4 isn't enough as 4.4 has a bug with precompiled headers.
[01:03] <apachelogger> GrueMaster: I do not think that was built against 4.4 at all
[01:03] <apachelogger> just a rebuild against new Qt
[01:03] <persia> NCommander, Are we going to need to rebuild a significant chunk of the archive like that?
[01:04] <apachelogger> which does not help as the function in question seems to be inline
[01:04] <GrueMaster> I'm referring to gcc 4.4 not qt 4.4
[01:04] <apachelogger> GrueMaster: that is what I meant too ;)
[01:18] <NCommander> persia: I honestly don't know at this point
[01:20] <persia> See, if qt4-x11 is broken, I'm sorely tempted to upload a replacement that causes everything to fail to built against it, to reduce the number of times we have to reupload stuff later.
[01:25] <NCommander> persia: but its not broken, unity-2d now works fine against it
[01:25] <NCommander> as do other Qt apps, the problem seems tobe kdelibs
[01:27] <persia> Ah, so Qt works, but KDE is broken?
[02:36] <ScottK> It can't be too broken as I can build against it.
[02:36] <ScottK> persia: ^^^
[02:38] <persia> ScottK, Sure, but if you're building with an inline macro that generates a segfault at runtime, you may not find the results very useful.
[02:38] <ScottK> True, but I'm bulding kdebindings.  I think kdelibs has to actually do stuff for that to work.  Not sure though.
[02:40] <persia> I don't know.  From what I can tell from IRC traffic and bugs, it seems that there are two issues: firstly that gcc-4.5 has a reference count issue meaning that inlines in nested functions can break stack accounting, and gcc-4.4 has an issue with precompiled headers not being compiled in a way that safely allows reuse.
[02:40] <persia> This only affects some code, with certain sorts of inline macros.  Where that would be hit isn't clear.
[02:42] <ScottK> We'll re-upload all of KDE before release, so it should be ~fine as long as it's sorted soon.
[02:42] <persia> I don't think it would be advantageous to apply workarounds to everything that seems dodgy, but a simple rebuild (as tested with phonon) doesn't seem to help.
[02:42] <persia> There's a candidate patch under review by the Linaro gcc team for gcc-4.5, which looks like it might do the right thing.
[02:42] <persia> (at least in terms of generated RTL)
[02:43] <persia> I'm mostly concerned about the timing: with feature freeze and Alpha 3 coming up relatively soon.
[12:35] <ndec> ogra: hi! any news regarding the alsa upgrade in the archive?
[12:35] <ndec> persia: ^^^ you might be interested too
[12:58] <ogra> ndec, i havent heard from TheMuso yet buut pinged him
[13:21]  * XorA|gone dances
[13:23]  * ogra shades his eyes
[13:26] <apachelogger> GrueMaster, NCommander, persia: building phonon with gcc 4.4 and -no-pch seems to fix the segfault there ... so I guess we need a fixed gcc 4.5 or the better part of Qt based libs will have to get that workaround :/
[13:27] <apachelogger> actually I have semi-random segfaults now, so clearly nothing in phonon ^^
[13:27] <ogra> apachelogger, talk to the toolchain guys in #linaro
[13:27] <ogra> they will be intrested in debugging data to track down and fix the compiler issue
[13:29] <ogra> they solved our last issue within two days
[13:29] <ogra> (though it took two weeks to get them the right data and actually prove its gcc)
[13:29] <apachelogger> oh
[13:29] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/705689/comments/30
[13:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 705689 in gcc-4.5 "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,Confirmed]
[13:30] <apachelogger> seems they have a patch already
[13:30] <ogra> yes
[13:30] <ogra> i dont think gcc was uploaded since
[13:30] <ogra> ask linaro if they ahve a testbuild in a ppa or so
[13:50] <kenws> Hi there, Does anyone know where to find the ddebs for natty?
[13:50] <kenws> The following apt.sources line doesn't seem to work:
[13:50] <kenws> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com natty main restricted universe multiverse
[14:01] <ogra> kenws, well, it should looking at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/ there are armel versions
[14:02] <kenws> ogra: thanks, do you know how the corresponding apt.sources line would look like?
[14:02] <kenws> brb
[14:03] <ogra> the above should technically work
[14:13] <ogra> kenws, did you run apt-get update after adding the line ?
[14:13] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash ha smore details
[14:15] <ogra> you might need to add the key etc
[15:33] <Neko> http://blog.efikamx.info/2011/02/one-kernel-to-rule-them-all.html Efika MX Smartbook devs might want to build a shiny new kernel from here :)
[15:54] <kenws> ogra: hm, this exactly what I'm using in my sources list
[15:55] <ogra> kenws, and you did apt-get update
[15:55] <ogra> kenws, and also impotred the gpg key
[15:55] <kenws> ogra: yes
[15:55] <kenws> also yes
[15:55] <kenws> http://pastie.org/1579164
[15:55] <kenws> http://pastie.org/1579161
[15:55] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[15:56] <kenws> ogra: yeah, and it matches what I have or am I blind? : )
[15:57] <ogra> how do you try to get a ddeb ?
[15:57] <ogra> you need a special invocation of apt for that
[15:57] <ogra> its documented on the page too
[16:00] <ogra> (point 6)
[16:01] <kenws> ogra: but the apt-get update fails to fetch the Packages.gz that is before the user installs any ddebs
[16:01] <ogra> weird
[16:01] <ogra> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/natty/main/binary-armel/
[16:02] <ogra> Packages.gz is there
[16:02] <kenws> yep, but what about natty-updates, natty-security and natty-proposed?
[16:03] <ogra> no security updates in the dev release ;)
[16:03] <ogra> nore -updates or -proposed test archives
[16:03] <kenws> point 2 of that wiki page seems to indicate that they shoul be there
[16:04] <ogra> for a release they are
[16:04] <ogra> but natty isnt released yet
[16:04] <kenws> ok, i see
[16:04] <kenws> ogra: thanks for your patience : )
[16:04] <ogra> np :)
[16:11] <NCommander> apachelogger: *groan* :-(
[16:14] <ogra> Bug 721121
[16:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 721121 in humanity-icon-theme "Icon in Launcher should be home folder icon" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721121
[16:14] <ogra> heh
[16:17] <GrueMaster> You should see the comments.
[16:18] <apachelogger> NCommander: only that bug is keeping us from having an almost rocking kubuntu mobile :(
[16:19] <apachelogger> kernel is close to inclusion too
[16:22] <apachelogger> ScottK, mpoirier: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/sshot1.png
[19:57] <Neko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/%20bug/610820
[19:57] <Neko> is anyone ever going to fix this?
[19:58] <prpplague> Neko: that the full url?
[19:58] <Neko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/610820
[19:58] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 610820 in update-manager "Download size discrepancies" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:59] <Neko> on ARM it says 704MB, 740MB, 74.0MB or some variation, it's so weird that it always has a 7 and a 4..
[21:56] <Homefix> anyone here i can annoy?
[21:57] <Homefix> Hello? anyone
[21:57] <Homefix> ogra:
[21:57] <Homefix> rbelem:
[22:08] <rcn-ee_at_work> Homefix, maybe you should state your question, and if it interest's someone they might answer.. ..;)
[22:20] <Homefix> sorry babysitting had a mess......
[22:21] <Homefix> I am missing var/run/dbus in my chroot using arm lucid build
[22:21] <Homefix> im soory..........
[22:21] <Homefix> im missing.....
[22:22] <Homefix> pid system_bus_socket normal?
[22:26] <Homefix> i must be loosing my mind i am running a ubuntu arm img lucid on my htc evo my article:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932754
[22:27] <Homefix> i am able to windows share thru hamachi I thought upstart does not function in that kind ov enviroment?
[22:28] <Homefix> Nautilus does not share, it did with karmic,
[22:30] <Homefix> sksudo nautilus brings up : (nautilus 1010) : WARNING**: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file?
[22:30] <Homefix> Help
[22:32] <rcn-ee_at_work> Homefix, i'd bug the guy who wrote the article.. the people on this list are usually running boards where we have access to everything.. bootloader -> kernel -> rootfs..
[22:32] <Homefix> i wrote it
[22:33] <rcn-ee_at_work> ah fun.. so which kernel do you have on there?  lucid really needs 2.6.32+ ?
[22:33] <Homefix> of corse the kernel is mising bits and peices
[22:34] <Homefix> maybe it might be another issue u could help me with
[22:34] <Homefix> other than the kernel
[22:35] <rcn-ee_at_work> not likely, my chroot's work just fine, using debian squeeze as a base, chroots for (karmic/lucid/maverick/natty)
[22:38] <Homefix> im just looking for a kind help im not as intellegent as most of u people. thats all maybe ill get lucky and find a solution, what have i got to loose besides time. and maybe gain a friend:)
[22:39] <rcn-ee_at_work> google shows with that error, try restarting dbus in your chroot..
[22:40] <Homefix> i would be satisfied with karmic ( no uppstart to mess things up in the chroot) but the programs stop opening after some time.
[22:42] <rcn-ee_at_work> Homefix, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/441100 workaround seems promising
[22:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 441100 in dbus "within chroot, can fail to reload daemon configuration if not running (detects dbus daemon outside of chroot)" [Medium,Triaged]
[22:43] <Homefix> I am unable to connect to upstart
[22:43] <Homefix> I now but i dont quite understand somthing.................
[22:44] <Homefix> I beg you would this workaround apply to this please look:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098
[22:45] <Homefix> i dont have a dbus outside the chroot right?
[22:46] <Homefix> so im stuck with karmic?
[22:47] <Homefix> Im using an android kernel
[22:47] <Homefix> arm7
[22:48] <rcn-ee_at_work> it would seem so..  if you can get the kernel source, i've heard htc has that.. enable CONFIG_DEVTMPFS with atleast 2.6.32 should get you closer..
[22:48] <Homefix> yaaaaaaaaaa
[22:48] <Homefix> thanks for somewere to go ILOVEYOU
[22:49] <Homefix> like i said u amaze me with your knowledge
[22:49] <Homefix> and thank u
[22:54] <Homefix> rcn: one more thing please explain what is the "atleast 2.6.32" it cant mean ver.
[22:57] <rcn-ee_at_work> in lucid, that config was manadority and it was enable with 2.6.32
[22:59] <rcn-ee_at_work> i'm not sure if it matters for the os underneath the chroot.....
[22:59] <Homefix> rcn: how woul i enable in the kernel "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS 2.6.32" on a line, then compile ?
[23:00] <Homefix> add that is
[23:00] <rcn-ee_at_work> it's a .config option.. have you built kernel's before?
[23:01] <Homefix> well i enabeled loop_devices im the kernel i am using i have a lot to learn
[23:02] <Homefix> I will post over at xda to get help with this
 manadority?
[23:23] <xerebz> i'm trying to compile opencv 2.2 on a beagleboard xm but i get this: http://pastebin.com/X3H4SsDc
[23:44] <rcn-ee> pmathews, try booting lucid with out it.. i belive it's udev dependicy..
 define  manadority
[23:58] <rcn-ee> oh it's been awhile.. but during lucid's development cycle, you couldn't successfully mount lucid on a 2.6.32 kernel with out..
[23:59] <pmathews> man  manadority
[23:59] <pmathews> No manual entry for manadority
[23:59] <rcn-ee> this was on the beagle at the time..


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[12:09] <jellybean> hello?
[12:11] <jellybean> hi :)
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[12:37] <chcknrub> http://www.biblestudytools.com/video/how-do-we-see-god-s-character-in-the-book-of-judges.html
[12:43] <John82> hi :)
[12:44] <John82> hi
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:45] <John82> hi :)
[12:46] <John82> i was beginning to think I was all alone
[12:47] <BluesKaj> John82, all done , how?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> err alone rather
[12:48] <John82> it seemed very quiet
[12:48] <BluesKaj> 237 nicks in the list :-)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> be thankful we don't all talk at once
[12:49] <John82> ye,  thats a good point,  do not like rooms like that lol
[12:50] <oost> chcknrub: do you think that URL is a good topic for a support channel like this?
[12:51] <John82> I'm new to kubuntu..just installed it 2 days ago
[12:51] <BluesKaj> oost,what url?
[12:52] <oost> -> http://www.biblestudytools.com/video/how-do-we-see-god-s-character-in-the-book-of-judges.html
[12:59] <BluesKaj> oost, definitely offtopic, not suitable for this chat
[13:05] <John82> hi those who have just joined :)
[14:03] <John82> hi
[14:37] <oost> what is the most popular virtualizer current days?
[15:35] <oerheks> oost, kvm, vmware, xen, hyperx, vitualbox
[15:35] <oost> :)
[16:04] <Sav> Hello, Kubuntu doesn't ricognise my laptop battery
[16:06] <Sav> I've tried to do "sudo kate /ect/default/grub" but thies file doesn't exist
[16:06] <foxly> It doesn't recognize the battery? How old is it?
[16:07] <Sav> It is HP 355 G2
[16:07] <Sav> It "enough" new
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Sav, grub has nothing to do with your battery
[16:10] <BluesKaj> oops wrong .  answer , my mistake foxly, Sav
[16:11] <Sav> I've found an article and a person solves in i
[16:11] <Sav> in that way, sorry*
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Sav, can you get to a shell, /vt/tty . using ctl+alt+F1-F6 ?
[16:12] <Sav> Yes, just a moment
[16:13] <KurousagiMK2> Incorrectly written etc "/ect/default/grub"
[16:14] <Sav22999> Sorry, It is been disconnected
[16:16] <Sav> Hello, Kubuntu doesn't recognise my battery laptop
[16:16] <BluesKaj> KurousagiMK2, yeah we saw the typo, we'll correct it
[16:17] <Sav> Could you send me again the code?
[16:17] <Sav> Because it's disconnected so I've lost that
[16:18] <BluesKaj> Sav, get to a shell, /vt/tty . using ctl+alt+F1-F6
[16:19] <Sav> Thank you very much
[16:19] <BluesKaj> then, sudo grub-install /dev/sdX , X being the partition on which you installed Kubuntu
[16:19] <BluesKaj> probly /dev/sda
[16:21] <BluesKaj> the file yo edit grub is /etc/default/grub , but you don't need that right now
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yo=to
[16:22] <Sav> just a moment, please
[16:24] <Sav> It returns me File or directory does not exist
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Sav, what returns file doesn't exist?
[16:26] <oerheks> curious, battery and grub
[16:27] <Sav> Maybe I'm wrong
[16:27] <oerheks> sudo lshw -C power    # this gives the specs
[16:27] <Sav> SO, Should I go to tty1 mode and write /vt/tty1 or when I was in that I have to write "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX"?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Sav,  ctl+alt+F1-F6 to get to the vt/ tty (shell)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Sav,are youi in a terminal
[16:30] <Sav> https://thepasteb.in/p/wjh0r6Lw4pzfv
[16:30] <Sav> BluesKaj, yes I am in a terminal (Konsole)
[16:30] <Sav> oerheks, thepasteb is for you, it returns that
[16:31] <BluesKaj> grub has nothing to do with your battery , look in system settings>power management
[16:32] <Sav> BluesKay, I've written "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX" in Konsole and it return that there aren't errors
[16:32] <oerheks> so, you have a battery, mistery solved
[16:33] <BluesKaj> not /dev/sdX
[16:33] <Sav> yes... I have a battery, but Kubuntu can't show me that, so it doesn't recognise that.
[16:34] <Sav> BluesKaj, "not /dev/sdX" and what?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> Sav, nevermind , forget that that
[16:36] <BluesKaj> yes it can look in your system tray right click, system tray settings to show the power widget in your panel
[16:38] <Sav> And then?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> it's obvious , choose show for thepower mangement entry
[16:40] <Sav> Basically if I customize light when battery is connected (and now laptop is connected to battery) it works....
[16:40] <Sav> but kubuntu doesn't show me that battery is connected and it doesn't show me the percentage too
[16:41] <BluesKaj> I just told you what to do
[16:42] <Sav> Sorry, what do I do? I am in Powerr managent now
[16:43] <Sav> Where is "Management entry"?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> look in your system tray right click, system tray settings to show the power widget in your panel
[16:44] <Sav> Yes, I know
[16:45] <Sav> But It show me always "no battery available"
[16:45] <BluesKaj> power management just sets your poer settings. the icon/widget is available only in the system tray, a totally differnet place
[16:45] <BluesKaj> poer=power
[16:46] <BluesKaj> system tray bedise the digital claock on right side of the pabel
[16:46] <BluesKaj> beside
[16:46] <BluesKaj> pabel
[16:46] <BluesKaj> ..panel thatis
[16:47] <Sav> I understood.
[16:47]  * BluesKaj takes a break
[16:48] <Sav> i explain better the problem. I can see the battery icon, but Kubuntu doesn't recognise the percentage....
[16:49] <Sav> When I linked to power my laptop, the icon say "Battery charging" but when I leave by charging, it shows me "Battery not available"
[16:49] <Sav> Is it clair? Sorry If my English is very bad, I'm not a native English
[16:50] <Sav> clear*
[17:02] <Sav> marco-parillo are you Italian?
[17:10] <marco-parillo> Italian-American (on my father's side; Swiss-American on my mother's side), but google translate speaks better Italian than I do.
[17:28] <Sav> Nobody can help me?
[18:40] <coppy> can someone tell me how to make the bluetooth start automatically when the system boots? It used to boot automatically, now Ihave to enable it manually
[18:53] <deratoul> hi all
[18:53] <deratoul> im struggling abit with tar,biz install of a game. can anyoneone help?
[18:55] <deratoul> anyone online?
[19:06] <deratoul> erm
[19:06] <deratoul> support needed
[19:06] <deratoul> and noone cares nice one! back to windows i think
[19:06] <Pici> deratoul: you may want to try #ubuntu, it is more active than this channel.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> threaten all you want , but more details are needed
[19:07] <deratoul> i gave you all details
[19:07] <deratoul> I have an issue with game
[19:08] <deratoul> have download pysol. cannot install it as not install , there is setup but console dont seems to work...
[19:08] <BluesKaj> we already know that ..steam game , a game with wine ?
[19:08] <deratoul> is colled PysolFC
[19:09] <deratoul> not available in software centre in lubuntu
[19:09] <deratoul> so i went to google and found file.
[19:09] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu not lubuntu support
[19:09] <deratoul> normally all what would be required is to click on install or make terminal to do sudo install but there arent any file called that way
[19:10] <deratoul> are they not based on ubuntu 17.2?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> go ask in in #ubuntu  chat about lubuntu
[19:10] <deratoul> how do I switch chats?
[19:11] <BluesKaj>  /j #ubuntu
[19:11] <BluesKaj> click what i posted
[19:11] <deratoul> cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identidfied with services...
[19:12] <BluesKaj> !register
[19:13] <deratoul> thx
[19:14] <deratoul>  /msg deratoul register 4l3ks4ndr47410<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:14] <deratoul> hahaha
[19:15] <deratoul> does not seems to work lol
[19:17] <deratoul> thanks it work
[19:17] <deratoul> love ya all
 Good day everyone!
 I would like to know how to contact the artwork team, I'm looking for a good resolution logo of the 12.04
 This one specifically
 http://www.marcocimmino.net/wp-content/uploads/12.04-lts-banner3.png
 The only artwork information I found is on the Ubuntu wiki, and redirects to a kde wiki page who doesn't load
 And the last logo uploaded to the Ubuntu wiki is for lucid
 Why I want that logo? Since March I want a tattoo with that logo commemorating the end of support of the precise pangolin, because that year and specially with 12.04 I started getting involved with the community
 Thank you very much in advance @ovidiuflorin @ahoneybun @Valoriez @Sick_Rimmit


[07:18] <yao_ziyuan> GROUNDBREAKING NEWS! the latest QtCurve widget style for KDE4/KDE3/GTK2 has evolved to a KDE4 Oxygen-like look'n'feel! now it also fits well with a KDE4-ish window decoration such as Ozone and Bespin. Screenshot: http://i43.tinypic.com/2s60t4j.png
[10:12] <Riddell> seele: I'm away this weekend
[10:58] <davmor2> Riddell: Is the nepomuk getting fixed :)
[11:01] <Riddell> davmor2: there's a new backend.  JontheEchidna did you look into that at all?
[11:18]  * hunger would really like seeing a nepomuk that does more than eat all available disc space:-)
[11:19] <davmor2> hunger: I'd just like to not have to report it any more as a bug :)
[11:28] <hunger> Is akonadi expected to work in jaunty?
[11:38] <seele> Riddell: you marked nothing for monday, tuesday, and wednesday as well
[11:45] <Riddell> seele: it only offered until sunday
[11:46] <Riddell> seele: mm, you're right, there's a scrollbar, how clever
[11:47] <seele> ...
[11:53] <Riddell> the other days are all fine
[11:54] <Riddell> hunger: yes it ought to
[11:54] <seele> OK, looks like Tuesday early evening CET then
[12:17] <Riddell> hmm, ubiquity is lacking word wrap on a label on the user setup page
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: virtuoso itself looks quite "interesting" the package. There is also an ITP for it at Debian and about 2 or 3 guys with it in their ppas...
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> then one would probably have to backport the soprano backend itself from trunk
[13:24] <smarter> hmm
[13:25] <smarter> Am I the only one which can't configure KDE sounds(eg. login sound) in systemsettings --> notifications ?
[13:25] <smarter> http://www.imagebam.com/image/123db027768141/ << I don't have that choice in the combobo
[13:25] <smarter> x
[13:44] <smarter> I get a lot more choices there(including KDE thingy) if I launch systemsettings as root, strange
[14:49] <Mamarok> smarter: ditto for me, all my hardware is outgreyed, no sound at all, since I switched to Jaunty
[14:50] <Mamarok> and with an earlier version I was able to do the settings without being root
[14:50] <smarter> Mamarok: but hardware stuff is in multimedia, not nofication no?
[14:51] <Mamarok> nope, all the hardware in multimedia is greyed out, and everytime I start I get a question if I want to deactivate the sound cards as the "seemed to be removed"
[14:52] <Mamarok> also, since several days, no way to use the package manager in system settings as before, now it only works, if I start system settings as root
[14:52] <Mamarok> and it worked before :(
[14:57] <Mamarok> asking me the password once the service is started
[15:04] <Quintasan> Hmm How do I add the main toolbar (the one with, Tools, Settings menus) in Konq? I've accidentaly removed it :S
[15:25] <Lure> is it just me, or does quassel does not work for channel join?
[15:25] <EgS> what do you mean?
[15:25]  * Lure cannot join #kde-windows, maybe for reason ;-)
[15:25] <Lure> EgS: join channel action does nothing
[15:25] <EgS> yes channels matching *windows* are blocked
[15:26] <EgS> Lure: what does the status buffer say? (the network item)
[15:26] <Lure> EgS: nothing
[15:26] <EgS> weired...
[15:26] <EgS> and when you try it manually? /join #kde-windows
[15:27] <Lure> EgS: ups, it was hidden
[15:28] <Lure> EgS: it seems I have hide it permanently months ago...
[15:28] <Lure> EgS: maybe join should auto-unhide, just to be less confusing
[15:28] <smarter> try closing a chan
[15:28] <Lure> for stupid users like me ;-)
[15:29] <EgS> Lure: hmm... perhaps if there is only one channel list configured
[15:30] <EgS> if you have multiple channel lists / buffer views you probably don't want it to pop back in a particular one
[15:45] <jussi01> EgS: maybe in the last used chanlist then...
[15:46] <EgS> in the what?
[15:47] <jussi01> EgS: if you have multiple buffer views/chanlists then it could re appear in the last one you clicked on...
[15:49] <EgS> OIC
[15:50] <ScottK> EgS: This is the problem with users.  They give you feedback and then you have more work to do ...
[15:51]  * Sput still thinks we should have one bufferview declared as the "main" one
[15:51] <Sput> that would also be the one shortcuts like prev/next would refer to
[15:51] <Sput> voila, problem solved, kthxbai
[15:58]  * ScottK would be in favor of that.
[16:10] <alex-weej> hello. the qt apps in ubuntu (gnome) jaunty don't respect fontconfig settings for at least hinting
[16:10] <alex-weej> any ideas?
[16:11] <alex-weej> everything is fully hinted with the BCI hinter
[16:11] <alex-weej> but fontconfig and gtk says unhinted
[16:25] <nixternal> I will take one of everything -> https://usshop.ubuntu.com/category.php?catid=7
[16:25] <nixternal> figures they add the shop when money == $0 for me :(
[16:30] <apachelogger> I am wondering if my kubuntu stickers already arrived
[16:43] <nixternal> if I was getting any, I know mine haven't arrived
[16:45] <yuriy> ooh nice lots of stickers
[17:07] <Nightrose> seele: do you plan to write an email to the list about the meeting?
[17:10] <seele> Nightrose: ah, yes.. didn't get to it yet
[17:10] <Nightrose> ok
[17:10] <Nightrose> no prob
[21:24] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: what is the procedure to get rid of libkexiv2-3 (KDE3 version), as no package is depending on it anymore?
[21:25] <ScottK> Lure: File a removal bug.  There's a discussion of it in one of the wikipages.
[21:27] <Lure> ScottK: found it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive
[21:27] <ScottK> Sounds right.
[21:27] <ScottK> I still can't find stuff after dholbach reorganized the wiki a year and a half ago.
[21:29] <nhandler> ScottK: I just bookmark most of the Development wiki pages. I then use the new FF3 address bar to find the wiki pages I want
[21:29] <Lure> ScottK: I still cannot recall things that I knew and did 1 year ago ;-)
[21:30] <ScottK> nhandler: I find I mostly depend on browser history and Google.  I can't remember the last time I actually bookmarked something.
[21:32]  * claydoh needs to loose weight, the Kubuntu tees on the ubuntu store are too small or me :(
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> vorian: wanna get another 13k emails by fixing bug 330069? :D
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> maybe we should consider removing the old ones too
[21:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'll upload it for you.
[21:54] <shtylman_> will the 'deprecationwarning' with bazaar be fixed anytime soon?
[22:18] <Riddell> shtylman: ask in #bzr
[22:18] <Riddell> shtylman: there's a label on the user setup page which needs word wrap turned on, or a line space inserted or something
[22:20] <shtylman> Riddell: (just patch the bzr thing myself) (already fixed the label and the merge is proposed with other bugfixes)
[22:21] <Riddell> rocking
[22:22] <Riddell> shtylman: the timezone widget would be much improved if it had a label showing where the mouse would choose when clicked
[22:34] <_r1_> hi
[22:35] <nhandler> Hi _r1_
[23:04] <jussi01> hrm... I dont have a restart and logout anymore, and the shutdown doesnt actually work...  did someone break something?
[23:06] <neversfelde> jussi01: I have the same problems with twinview and jaunty, but not on a machine with a single screen
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> jussi01_: It could be nvidia borkage, there's been a lot of that going around
[23:06] <neversfelde> also nvidia
[23:06] <jussi01> ok, that makes sense, I have nvidia with twinview...
[23:06]  * JontheEchidna presents bug 341430 as the results of today's work
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> Feature Freeze is a bitch :(
[23:09]  * Lure knows the feeling - I am struggling with bug 309684
[23:10] <jussi01> ooh, new kernel today... maybe thatll fix it...
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> Ouch, have fun
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> jussi01_: the latest drivers which ubuntu don't haz should fix a bunch of KDE-type issues
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> such as hoards of zombie processes
[23:11] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: they are fixing that`??? \o/
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> bug 335879
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> I assume some nvidia-ksmserver-related funkiness is causing the logout problems
[23:13] <jussi01> heh... Im just updating to .35 - the problems are prior to that...
[23:13] <jussi01> but anyway, 1am and I have work in the morning
[23:13] <Lure> JontheEchidna: qtcurve looks nice - looking to FFe approval
[23:13] <Lure> s/looking/looking forward/
[23:14]  * Lure needs to go to bed ;-)
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I prefer it to gtk-qt-engine + Oxygen. It even looks oxygenish in the first place so it fits, somewhat
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> annoying gtk-qt-engine bugs--


[00:31] <Kamilion> oh, the guy from #libreboot's here.
[00:31] <Kamilion> guess he took my advice about learning more linux
[00:31] <Kamilion> (the bobsmith83 guy)
[00:32] <wxl> yeah he's been around quite a bit actually
[00:32] <Kamilion> IIRC he's on some kind of freshly cleaned acer chromebook
[00:32] <Kamilion> has no idea what he's doing in linux
[14:11] <GuyFawkes> Hello - Can anyone tell me what the differences are between lubuntu, lubuntu laptop and openbox?  I discovered that at sign-in the other day and laptop seems to work best on my machine
[14:25] <GuyFawkes> testing...is anybody out there?
[14:26] <pleia2> could be no one lurking knows the answer right now :) feel free to hang around
[14:28] <GuyFawkes> Yeah, that's the plan.  I can't even find anything in the support docs, so...hoping at least for a link.
[14:37] <Dishonored> hello, guys i recently installed a font, and opened leafpad and tried changing a text to that font, its shows correctly in the preview but doesn't work in the actual text.
[14:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> most of the documentation is shared with ubuntu
[14:50] <GuyFawkes> Most eh?  keep looking is what you're saying?
[15:00] <GuyFawkes> ok, maybe something easier then, for someone fairly new to *ubuntu:  Software update launches, tells me there are updates, I click install and it fails.  what can I do on the command line?
[16:43] <boi222> hey can anyone help me with a boot issue? i installed lubuntu in a vm but when the vm restarted, i only see a blank screen. i've tried several restarts
[17:55] <bobsmith83> good morning.  i must be a total moron, because I've spent almost an entire day, and still cannot seem to complete a simple task: copy a .img file from HDD to SD card, then copy it back to another machines HDD to create a backup
[17:56] <bobsmith83> can anyone hold my hand please and try and explain this mount thing? gahhh!
[17:57] <wxl> you have both things mounted? if so, where?
[17:57] <bobsmith83> well, when i do fdisk -l, i see the sd card as /dev/sdb
[17:58] <wxl> mount is where you see things are mounted
[17:58] <bobsmith83> the hdd is mounted all four partitions, contains os, etc
[17:58] <wxl> if you don't see sdb-something there, you don't have it mounted
[17:58] <wxl> if it's not mounted you can't use it
[17:59] <bobsmith83> ok, how and where to mount then?  I've tried...
[17:59] <wxl> you need to create a directory to mount it to
[18:00] <wxl> you could for example:
[18:00] <wxl> sudo mkdir -p /mnt/sdcard
[18:00] <bobsmith83> ok, cant i just mount it to /media, or /mnt?
[18:00] <wxl> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdcard
[18:00] <wxl> assuming it does actually have a partition on it and 1 is the partition you wish to mouhnt
[18:01] <wxl> well you need to put it in a folder within /media or /mnt or else it makes the whole thing useless to anything else
[18:01] <wxl> you CAN do it, but you don't want to :)
[18:01] <bobsmith83> maybe thats the problem.  It has no partitions.  i used "disks" to format it with no partitions
[18:02] <bobsmith83> so, do i need to create partitions first?
[18:04] <bobsmith83> I made the dir successfully...
[18:06] <bobsmith83> looks like it.  so, how to do that? back to "disks" and reformat it wiht other options?
[18:06] <wxl> yes you need to create the partitions, bobsmith83
[18:07] <bobsmith83> maybe with "disks" or "gparted"?
[18:07] <wxl> well a partition :)
[18:07] <bobsmith83> or cmd line...
[18:07] <wxl> either would work
[18:07] <bobsmith83> i want to learn cmd line solid.  can you walk me thru it? if you have time?
[18:07] <wxl> cfdisk is fairly friendly command line wise
[18:08] <wxl> otherwise it's fdisk you need to use
[18:08] <wxl> cfdisk is an example of a CLI utility with a visual UI
[18:08] <bobsmith83> lets try fdisk
[18:09] <wxl> sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[18:09] <wxl> start with the command p to see what's there
[18:09] <wxl> assuming there are indeed no partitions (/dev/sdb[1..n])
[18:10] <wxl> then i'd start by changing units
[18:10] <wxl> to gb
[18:10] <wxl> with u
[18:11] <wxl> oh fooey
[18:11] <wxl> i guess that's not an option on this version. annoying........
[18:11] <bobsmith83> lol
[18:11] <wxl> whatever
[18:12] <wxl> for fun you can create a new partition table with o
[18:12] <wxl> then n for a new partition
[18:12] <bobsmith83> lots of "annoying" things coming from my dos background and trying to learn new language
[18:12] <wxl> make it primary
[18:12] <wxl> give it a number (probably 1)
[18:13] <wxl> the first sector should be 0
[18:13] <bobsmith83> first cylinder, 2 default?
[18:13] <wxl> then the last sector can be the end or you can use +8G e.g.
[18:13] <wxl> oh yeah you're on cylinders
[18:14] <wxl> sure
[18:14] <bobsmith83> ok, did defaults for clyinders.  back to command
[18:15] <wxl> so p to print again, make sure everything looks right
[18:15] <wxl> you can pastebin it somewhere if you want to make sure
[18:15] <bobsmith83> i think i have a partition now!
[18:15] <bobsmith83> time to mount?
[18:15] <wxl> almost
[18:16] <bobsmith83> ?
[18:17] <wxl> so if you're sure that's right you need to write it with w
[18:17] <wxl> now you've done the first step
[18:17] <wxl> it still doesn't have a filesystem on it
[18:17] <wxl> you want to use this for linux only or you want this to be compatible with windows, etc?
[18:18] <bobsmith83> i c.  it looks right
[18:18] <bobsmith83> i dont know.  I thought I'd do it just linux, but would be better if I could do compatible with windows fat
[18:19] <wxl> sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1
[18:20] <bobsmith83> I already did " mkfs -t ext4 ..." but that was before partition, so maybe it didnt do anything
[18:20] <wxl> yeah probably not. and windows won't like ext4
[18:20] <bobsmith83> I'm still in fdisk.  how do i exit?
[18:21] <wxl>    w    write table to tidks and exit
[18:21] <wxl> hahahah well, disk
[18:21] <bobsmith83> k
[18:22] <bobsmith83> created fat file system
[18:23] <wxl> now mount it
[18:23] <bobsmith83> k
[18:25] <bobsmith83> success!
[18:26] <wxl> btw took you through "the hard way"
[18:26] <wxl> the easy way is parted
[18:26] <wxl> the really easy way is cfdisk
[18:26] <bobsmith83> of course
[18:27] <bobsmith83> now, id like to create a file, save it on the hard disk, copy it to the sd card, then copy it back to the hd in a different sopt
[18:28] <wxl> i assume you can create the file and save it XD
[18:28] <wxl> one you have the file:
[18:28] <wxl> cp /path/to/file /mnt/sdcard (or whatever you called it)
[18:28] <wxl> ctually
[18:28] <wxl> actually
[18:28] <wxl> cp /path/to/file /mnt/sdcard/
[18:29] <wxl> that slash will ensure it goes IN the directory, though usually collisions won't happen, it's good practice
[18:29] <wxl> cp /mnt/sdcard/file /path/to/new/file/location
[18:30] <bobsmith83> ok, whats the txt editor that comes in lubuntu? so i can create a file?
[18:31] <wxl> you can create a file (without adding anything to it):
[18:31] <wxl> touch file
[18:31] <wxl> there you have a file
[18:31] <wxl> if you want to edit it, nano is a command line utility, but i prefer vi (though it takes some understanding to figure out how to use it. it's very powerful but not immediately intuitive)
[18:31] <bobsmith83> found it: leafpad...
[18:32] <wxl> there's that too
[18:32] <wxl> if you want GUIs
[18:32] <wxl> but that would be cheating, technically XD
[18:32] <bobsmith83> lol
[18:33] <bobsmith83> gonna try cp it now...
[18:34] <bobsmith83> brb
[18:37] <bobsmith83> error: cannot create regular file: /mnt/sdb1/": not a directory
[18:38] <bobsmith83> sudo?
[18:38] <wxl> should NEED to sudo it
[18:38] <wxl> what's that "?
[18:38] <bobsmith83> typo
[18:38] <wxl> is the location actually /mnt/sdb1 and not /mnt/sdcard?
[18:39] <wxl> you can always `ls /path/to/directory` to see if it exists
[18:39] <bobsmith83> my mistake.
[18:40] <bobsmith83> worked! now, going to copy it back to another dir...
[18:43] <bobsmith83> amazing- it worked!  thanks again, so much, for your help.  its like learning to walk all over again!  what about using dd instead of cp?
[18:43] <wxl> dd is a bit by bit copy
[18:43] <wxl> so it's kind of a different thing
[18:44] <wxl> assuming the file contains a file system, dd'ing it will replicate that file system
[18:44] <bobsmith83> but you could do dd if=filename of=/dev/sdb1 and it does the same as cp?
[18:45] <wxl> no
[18:48] <bobsmith83> ok, well, I've heard dd called "disk destroyer" so, I feel like I'd best stear clear of it till I understand it better
[18:48] <wxl> the only time you should really use dd is for copying a disk image onto some media
[18:48] <wxl> or you can use it for completely zeroing out a drive
[18:48] <bobsmith83> one last thing- is there any special considerations when copying .img files?
[18:48] <wxl> .img files are usually like .iso files
[18:49] <wxl> they're disk images
[18:49] <wxl> you can copy them around
[18:49] <wxl> but if you wan tto restore the disk image, you'd use dd
[18:49] <wxl> but it will wipe whatever's in its place
[18:49] <bobsmith83> OK, so, I'm making a backup of my bios flash image and trying to copy that file to a back up location
[18:50] <wxl> you can pass the img file around like any other file
[18:50] <bobsmith83> can I just cp the flash.img as we've done here?
[18:50] <wxl> but if you want to use it, you'd use dd to put it on an sd card or something of the sort
[18:50] <wxl> yep
[18:50] <bobsmith83> cool!
[18:51] <bobsmith83> my goal here is to replace the bios on this chromebook, with something like libreboot, fyi...
[18:52] <wxl> ah cool
[18:52] <wxl> also, re: chromebook: my condolences XD
[18:52] <bobsmith83> thanks again for you're help.  I;m sure we will be talking mor soon.  btw- what is your relation to lubuntu?
[18:52] <wxl> i'm one of the release managers (but technically tsimonq2 is in charge) and head of qa
[18:53] <bobsmith83> re chromebook- i hope to rid it of crome os and eventually replace it with lxde debian
[18:53] <bobsmith83> cool, thanks again!
[18:53] <wxl> np
[19:41] <oki_> hello
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[21:58] <brunomotter> hello! I am trying to install Lubuntu 17.10 on an old laptop and if I run from live CD it runs fine, but when I install the graphics get sluggish and with 640X480 resolution! any hints?
[21:59] <tsimonq2> brunomotter: What machine are you on?
[21:59] <brunomotter> Itautec W7630
[22:00] <brunomotter> Celeron m processor
[22:00] <brunomotter> 1.5GB RAM
[22:00] <tsimonq2> What kind of graphics card?
[22:02] <brunomotter> via graphis
[22:04] <brunomotter> http://suporte.itautec.com.br/eportaldownload_ptb/start.swe?SWERowId=2-AOCM5E&SWEField=s_3_2_24_2&SWERowIds=SWERowId0%3d2-AOCM5E&SWENeedContext=true&SWESP=false&SWEMethod=Drilldown&SWECmd=InvokeMethod&W=t&SWEVI=&SWEPOC=&SWETargetView=&SWEDIC=false&SWEReqRowId=1&SWEView=ITC+Driver+Download+TotalDrivers+Notebook+View&SWETVI=&SWEC=9&SWEM=&SWEBID=-1&SWESPa=&SRN=&SWEContainer=&SWETS=&SWETA=&SWEApplet=ITC+Drivers+Download+TotalDrivers
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Hmm.
[22:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: See something I'm not?
[22:06] <tsimonq2> Otherwise if he doesn't respond soon brunomotter, I'd try #ubuntu.
[22:06] <brunomotter> so... I tried ubuntu... it works, but REALLY slow performance
[22:06] <brunomotter> on Lubuntu performance is good but no graphics
[22:06] <tsimonq2> I mean the IRC channel. This isn't a Lubuntu-specific issue. ;)
[22:07] <brunomotter> oh, I see!
[22:07] <brunomotter> well... if he does not respond I will try that then... where can I find Ubuntu IRC?
[22:08] <tsimonq2> In your IRC client, type the following: /join #ubuntu
[22:08] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:08] <brunomotter> nice!
[22:08] <brunomotter> will try that
[22:08] <brunomotter> thanks for being so helpful
[22:08] <tsimonq2> You're welcome, let me know how it goes. :D
[22:09] <brunomotter> ok!
[22:09] <brunomotter> bye
[22:09] <tsimonq2> o/
[22:12] <bobsmith83> wxl around?
[22:13] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: I can help as well. What's up?
[22:14] <bobsmith83> thx.  I'm on to next step: $ git clone https://git.code.paulk.fr/libettereboot.git but I get error:
[22:14] <bobsmith83> error: gnutls_handshake() failed” when connecting ...
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Let's see if I can reproduce that.
[22:16] <bobsmith83> found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/186847/error-gnutls-handshake-failed-when-connecting-to-https-servers#187199
[22:16] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't do that.
[22:17] <bobsmith83> i didnt want to
[22:18] <tsimonq2> I think it's a server problem, because I can't clone it at all.
[22:18] <bobsmith83> like server down, or someting?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Could be.
[22:19] <bobsmith83> i c.  so, what does git clone do, roughly?
[22:20] <tsimonq2> It takes a remote Git repository hosted on a server somewhere and it pulls all the necessary files that you would need to work with it locally.
[22:21] <bobsmith83> ok, cool.  thanks for your help.  I will contact paul and c if he has ideas.  maybe he's working on it or something.  you guys are awesome here.  hope you dont mind me keep bugging u with all these questions!
[22:22] <bobsmith83> cheers!
[22:22] <tsimonq2> It's all good, cheers :)
[22:39] <wxl> that's up peeps?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> yooo
[22:39] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: If you're still around, wxl's here :)
[23:10] <bobsmith83> still around indeed.  I got the clone thing rolling.  I'm on a thinkpad t60, wifi adaptor must be old and slow, cause its taking a looong time to pull down files...
[23:14] <bobsmith83> still faster than my first machine- commodore64- was soo cool when i could dial up connect to q-link on my 300 baud modem!
[23:14] <wxl> been there done that, though i had a c128
[23:32] <genii> !lunix
[23:32] <genii> Just in case you guys still have them kicking around.
[23:34] <wxl> i wish :(
[23:34] <bobsmith83> that would be fun. but its long gone garage sale, no doubt, probably in the 90's
[23:35] <genii> Yeah, mine too.
[23:35] <genii> I did hang onto the 1701 for a TV hooked to the VCR for a long time after
[23:36]  * genii wanders back to the coffeepot
[23:38] <bobsmith83> got this thinkpenguin usd wifi n dongle.  maybe i should plug it in and see if it magically automatically connects and speeds things up?
[23:51] <wxl> worth a shot, bobsmith83