[12:43] <Peanut> Hi folks - I'm trying to install 14.04 on a machine with 38 disks. I'm installing it on only 1 of these disks (/dev/sdal) but the step 'grub install' fails. From syslog: "Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1"
[12:44] <Peanut> How can I debug this? Does it perhaps have to do with there being more than 26 drives, so /dev/sd* is two letters instead of the usual 1?
[12:45] <Peanut> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1325606
[12:46] <Peanut> (sorry, should have googled first)


[05:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 133 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-133/


[05:08] <saptarshi> away
[05:11] <saptarshi> ex
[05:11] <saptarshi> ex-chat
[05:16] <saptarshi> exit
[05:17] <saptarshi> Ex-Chat
[05:17] <saptarshi> Ex-Chat
[05:19] <saptarshi> hi everyone
[08:17] <brendand> jibel - where're the 10.04.3 images?
[08:17] <jibel> brendand, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[08:18] <jibel> Could anyone with privileges changes the topic to "Currently testing Lucid 10.04.3 LTS candidates | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com | nVidia/ATI Proprietary Drivers | http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com"
[08:19] <jibel> psycopg2 is broken on oneiric :(
[08:20] <brendand> jibel - yep
[08:20] <brendand> jibel - there is a bug for that
[08:20] <xdatap1> jibel, morning
[08:21] <jibel> I've a script to update the list of image on the tracker to point to lucid but I can't run it :/
[08:21] <jibel> Hey xdatap1 how are you ?
[08:21] <xdatap1> jibel, i'm fine thanks
[08:21] <brendand> bug 811115
[08:21] <jibel> brendand, subscribed thanks
[08:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811115 in psycopg2 (Ubuntu) "[oneiric] ImportError: can't import mx.DateTime module (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 1644)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811115
[08:22] <xdatap1> jibel, I tried the xorg tests last week. I think we could improve the instructions
[08:22] <xdatap1> jibel, is this xorg test planned for next week?
[08:23] <jibel> xdatap1, yes, I think nvidia couldn't be loaded and nouveau was used instead
[08:24] <xdatap1> jibel, the thing is that is not clear which driver to test with unity3d and unity2d, and there's 3d test also in unity2d.
[08:25] <xdatap1> jibel, we should improve the wikipage on side the tracker
[08:25] <xdatap1> jibel, people felt disoriented in my team
[08:25] <jibel> xdatap1, I see. how can we make it clear ? We only test proprietary drivers.
[08:26] <xdatap1> jibel, I will draft some improvement and I will send you a mail :)
[08:26] <jibel> xdatap1, that would be perfect. Shall we split in 2 test cases pages ? 1 for unity and the other for unity 2D  with only the relevant test cases ?
[08:27] <xdatap1> jibel, yes that would help a lot. Maybe it would make an instruction useless
[08:27] <xdatap1> jibel, and have it intuitive it would be the best
[08:28] <jibel> xdatap1,ok, only 2 test cases are not in 2d, maybe I could do something with includes to avoid duplicating contents.
[08:29] <xdatap1> jibel, well this would solve the problem :)
[09:20] <brendand> jibel - are we meant to be using the 16.1 images?
[09:25] <jibel> brendand, yes, why ?
[09:25] <brendand> my alternate stick is failing at syslinux
[09:26] <brendand> but i created it on Oneiric, so redoing it on Natty
[09:26] <brendand> will update in a little while
[09:58] <jibel> does anyone experience squashfs errors on shutdown just after installation ?
[10:09] <brendand> jibel - alternate image is, well, screwed
[10:09] <brendand> jibel - Unknown keyword in congfiguration file: gfxboot
[10:10] <brendand> jibel - vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R image
[10:14] <jibel> brendand, bug 645818
[10:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 645818 in usb-creator (Fedora) (and 5 other projects) "Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot (affects: 98) (dups: 6) (heat: 346)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645818
[10:14] <brendand> jibel - yeah, cjwatson just told me
[10:15] <brendand> jibel - i guess i can create one in vbox, otherwise i'll not be participating :(
[10:15] <brendand> jibel - except maybe some VM based testing
[10:15] <jibel> brendand, or use CDs
[10:15] <cjwatson> shouldn't be regarded as an image failure certainly, the flaw is in host-side software post-10.04
[10:15] <cjwatson> sort of
[10:15] <brendand> cjwatson - indeed. thanks
[10:15] <cjwatson> or in problematic interactions between the two
[10:16] <brendand> jibel - what's a CD :) ?
[10:17] <jibel> its an acronym from Compact Disc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc ;-)
[10:19] <brendand> being serious once more, my iso testing system is a netbook...
[10:20] <davmor2> brendand: download the iso to the current system and drop it on a usb drive or use boot up disk creator to transfer it if you need persistence
[10:20] <jibel> usb cd driver ?
[10:21] <jibel> brendand, I added a notice to the tracker.
[10:29] <chadadavis> Hi all. I see new images but no trackers for DVDs. Will that not be released for 10.04.3 ?
[10:30] <chadadavis> Sorry, I meant for kubuntu. Ubuntu has the DVD test cases in the tracker.
[13:23] <jibel> tracker updated with correct path to the images
[13:24] <charlie-tca> anything in particular you want me to start testing?
[14:13] <ara> jibel, how true is this http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/oneiric-desktop/ ?
[14:13] <ara> jibel, is the testing broken? or the image broken?
[14:18] <jibel> ara, the tests moved to the QA lab, but there's no public face yet. That should come pretty soon.
[14:19] <ara> jibel, OK, thanks
[14:19] <jibel> ara, to summarize, alternate is ok, desktop is broken since July 15th, I need to investigate
[14:20] <charlie-tca> can't login using user name?
[14:20] <ara> jibel, the image is broken, or the testing?
[14:20] <jibel> images
[14:20] <ara> OK, thanks
[14:55] <charlie-tca> jibel: multiple drives doing an LVM Full encryption install with 10.04.3 i386, fails to write grub properly
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I can not boot into the encrypted install, because it can't even find it
[15:03] <charlie-tca> bug 812342
[15:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 812342 in ubuntu "Lucid 10.04.3 Encrypted Install fails to write to grub (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812342
[15:04] <charlie-tca> title is wrong; fails completely. I can still boot into the original install on the drive. It did not install at all
[15:09] <charlie-tca> amd64 alternate encrypted install stuck at clearing hard drive for 22 minutes now
[15:09] <charlie-tca> looks like it fails too
[15:09] <charlie-tca> jibel, skaet : ^  ^
[15:10] <charlie-tca> both tests run on hardware
[15:11] <jibel> charlie-tca, thanks, I'll have a look
[15:17] <skaet> thanks charlie-tca
[15:26]  * patdk-wk waits for image downloads :(
[15:44] <jibel> charlie-tca, could you reproduce, and at the end, just before rebooting, switch to a console, run 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' and scp the logs to another system ?
[15:51] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, hi
[15:51] <jibel> Hey PaoloRotolo , how are you ?
[15:51] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, fine, thanks :)
[15:52] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, i'm testing the xorg driver
[15:52] <jibel> Thanks! how are things going ?
[15:53] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, i have a problem with this testcase: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Hardware/X/ProprietaryDrivers#Different resolutions
[15:53] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, this: "xrandr --output default --mode <resolution>" don't works...
[15:54] <PaoloRotolo> terminal wrote "warning: output default not found; ignoring"
[15:57] <jibel> PaoloRotolo, xrandr -q will give you a list of connected device
[15:57] <jibel> for example on my laptop is LVDS1
[15:57] <jibel> the instructions are not clear there
[15:59] <jibel> PaoloRotolo, so the command should be 'xrandr --output LVDS1 1024x768' or whatever resolution you choose
[16:00] <jibel> PaoloRotolo, another example on a desktop with an ATI card, the connection device is DFP4
[16:00] <jibel> connection/connected
[16:00] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, yes, the command "xrandr --output LVDS1 1024x768" works
[16:00] <jibel> PaoloRotolo, Cool, you now should have a crappy resolution :-)
[16:01] <jibel> PaoloRotolo, feel free to update the tests to make them easier to understand.
[16:01] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, so, the testcase is wrong?
[16:02] <jibel> It was probably right at some point in time, but has not been updated
[16:02] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, ok, thanks for the time :)
[16:03] <jibel> PaoloRotolo, you're welcome. Thanks for helping !
[16:03] <PaoloRotolo> :)
[17:32] <charlie-tca> jibel: will attempt it
[17:32] <charlie-tca> prior to the restart, will pull the logs if I can
[17:32] <charlie-tca> 64bit just finished
[17:32] <charlie-tca> it worked
[17:32] <charlie-tca> takes a very long time to wipe swap
[19:03] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all
[19:03] <brendand_n310> hi
[19:05] <PaoloRotolo> hi have a problem with ubuntu oneiric ocelot
[19:05] <PaoloRotolo> Terminal-shortcut (ctrl+alt+t) does not work...
[19:06]  * roadmr can confirm that behavior
[19:06] <roadmr> I usually just super-a, xterm
[19:07] <brendand> PaoloRotolo - does for me.
[19:07] <brendand> roadmr - have you remapped that cause Super+A should be the app lense
[19:07] <roadmr> brendand: nope, default behavior, it is indeed the app lens
[19:07] <PaoloRotolo> bdmurray, I tried to reinstall ubuntu two times...
[19:08] <PaoloRotolo> sorry, brendand --^
[19:08] <brendand> i don't have a fresh install - infact upgrade from Natty, so might be a leftover from that
[19:08] <brendand> maybe it is broken in a fresh install
[19:09] <roadmr> brendand: I think it is broken :(
[19:09] <Claudinux> it works for me on a fresh install of oneiric
[19:10] <brendand> Claudinux - recent image or Alpha2?
[19:11] <PaoloRotolo> brendand, I have ubuntu daily 20110717
[19:11] <Claudinux> brendand, both
[19:12] <roadmr> urgh, it works on my new install, I have PaoloRotolo's image too - but it was giving me trouble with friday's images
[19:13] <brendand> it should make up its mind
[19:24] <PaoloRotolo> I must go now. Bye all!
[19:47] <charlie-tca> jibel: installing again; I was able to reproduce the issue, but let it kick the cd out before I tried to ssh the logs
[19:48] <charlie-tca> will do the install again, and get the logs
[20:55] <charlie-tca> jibel: got the logs, attaching to the report


[12:46] <j^> will ubuntu switch from firefox-dev to xulrunner for dapper+1?
[12:47] <Burglaptop> j^: might. Would be nice
[12:47] <Burglaptop> then we can ship epiphany and not FF
[12:47] <j^> i dont want epiphany
[12:47] <j^> i want ff
[12:48] <dolson> ick
[12:49] <Burglaptop> it is not about what any of us want, it is about what is a good default for users
[12:50] <j^> and imho epiphany is not a good default
[12:50] <j^> its firefox
[12:50] <j^> ff has momentum
[12:51] <Burglaptop> to be honest, users don't care and don't know. My company (Userful) sells FC4-based machines for public use (to libraries, etc.) and we ship Epiphany
[12:51] <Burglaptop> never heard or had anything feedback that is negative
[12:53] <j^> Burglaptop its about switching, not shiping firefox, you loose everybody that just switched to firefox and liked it.
[12:54] <j^> but no need to repeat that enless thread from ubuntu-dev on irc
[12:54] <Burglaptop> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/epiphany-list/2005-October/msg00077.html
[12:54] <dolson> I don't think that someone is going to install Linux and not know how to use Firefox
[12:55] <Burglaptop> that is restricting your market
[12:55] <Burglaptop> and what about those that get Ubuntu pre-installed for them?
[12:56] <dolson> ?? a lot of Windows users are installing Firefox on their own now
[12:56] <Burglaptop> 10% at most
[12:56] <dolson> a browser is a browser is a browser
[12:57] <Burglaptop> indeed, hence the arguement FOR epipahny
[12:57] <dolson> if it just worked, then yeah, I'd agree
[12:58] <Burglaptop> currently FF takes up about 1/2 of Diziet's time. That is huge for a relatively minor package. And that doesn't even include the security issues or the trademark ones...
[12:58] <crimsun> getting off-topic, but epiphany uses ff anyhow.
[12:58] <dolson> ok, you have convinced me. so why haven't we already switched to Epiphany for Dapper?
[12:59] <Burglaptop> dolson: readup about xulrunner
[12:59] <Burglaptop> currently you need to have a copy of either FF or Moz installed to get gecko
[12:59] <Burglaptop> which is also needed for yelp and a few other packages
[01:00] <Burglaptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EpiphanyDefaultBrowser
[01:00] <dolson> so people who have been using Ubuntu all this time will be thrown for a loop when the next version comes out and Firefox is gone
[01:01] <Burglaptop> they would be able to install it, just like with Thunderbird now
[01:02] <dolson> so we assume that users are too stupid to use Firefox but are smart enough to install it if it's suddenly changed on them?
[01:02] <Burglaptop> it is not about relative intelligence
[01:02] <Burglaptop> it is about good defaults
[01:02] <Burglaptop> my company dogfoods, so we have all linux desktops
[01:03] <Burglaptop> I am the only person who uses Linux at home. None of the six of us have any extensions installed
[01:03] <dolson> I remember when I read about Epiphany becoming the new default, and so I installed it, and I used it for about an hour, and it continually crashed
[01:03] <Burglaptop> that is a bug and I have never seen that
[01:04] <dolson> it was on a relatively new Breezy install. I haven't tried it on Dapper yet, but I will.
[01:04] <Burglaptop> basically, I have seen real Windows users using a Linux desktop for 6 months straight and seen where they curse and where they don't
[01:04] <dolson> I may as well get started moving over my bookmarks and passwords and stuff now
[01:05] <dolson> to be honest, I hate both browsers equally
[01:05] <Burglaptop> I switch to epiphany full time about four months ago. I hated it at first but then discovered all the cool things (like better bookmark handling) and love it
[01:05] <dolson> the last time I used it, it didn't have any icons on my bookmark panel.. does it have that now?
[01:06] <dolson> I haven't used a good browser since the old Galeon 1.x series. And then it got screwed over when they bumped it up to 2.0 and then it seems to have been forgotten about
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> dolson: the galeon developers are out of time, and porting galeon functionality as plugins to epiphany, basically merging the browsers
[01:07] <dolson> that's good news
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> Burglaptop: I have a similar story, It took me some time to get used to it, but I like epi a lot now.
[01:07] <dolson> I haven't used Galeon for a long long time.. I think I was still using Mandrake when I last used it
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> There are some things I sorely miss still, but I'll wait on the plugins. :)
[01:08] <dolson> Firefox used to crash on me randomly, just like Epiphany did
[01:08] <dolson> but 1.5 seems to not have had that issue (yet)
[01:09] <Burglaptop> not being able to drag tabs in FF 1 sucked and the visuals for tab dragging in Epip "feel" more smooth
[01:11] <dolson> another thing I remember about Epiphany was there seemed to be a lot of wasted screen space
[01:11] <Burglaptop> never seen that
[01:11] <Burglaptop> anyway *if* we switch, it will stir up a giant firestorm of controversy
[01:12] <Burglaptop> we will probably lose users
[01:12] <dolson> in Firefox I can move pretty much anything anywhere. like, I have the File Edit, etc menu, and on the same bar, I have the Address bar and google bar.. can you do that in Epiphany?
[01:12] <Burglaptop> should be able to
[01:12] <StevenK> Hang on, didn't we already punt mozilla to universe in Dapper?
[01:12] <Burglaptop> StevenK: we did
[01:13] <j^> Burglaptop so will we get users by switching to epiphany?
[01:13] <Burglaptop> part of ReducingDuplication
[01:13] <dolson> is that a wise idea then? risk losing users just for a browser?
[01:13] <StevenK> Which means using xulrunner is pretty much moot, right?
[01:13] <Burglaptop> StevenK: xulrunner != mozilla
[01:13] <StevenK> I'm well aware of that
[01:13] <Burglaptop> dolson, j^, we will provide a better user experience for the vast majority
[01:13] <Burglaptop> the people we actually need to target, the average computer user
[01:14] <j^> can i install the annodex plugin? (http://annodex.net/)
[01:14] <Burglaptop> and in the end, it is not a pissing content about getting most users
[01:14] <Burglaptop> j^: this is all hot air right now, so any questions like that are premature
[01:14] <dolson> I know that, but why would you want to annoy existing users?
[01:15] <dolson> part of the reason I switched from debian was that everything good to use was there by default, meaning gnome, gaim, firefox,etc
[01:15] <Burglaptop> because I fell Epiphany provides a better out of the box experinece for users
[01:15] <Burglaptop> s/fell/feel
[01:15] <dolson> and then if someone wants to remove it and install firefox, it'll take ubuntu-desktop with it, right?
[01:16] <Burglaptop> dolson: just like they would with evolution now
[01:16] <Burglaptop> and -desktop is not important after install
[01:17] <dolson> for upgrades it is. so we'll end up downloading a bunch of extra stuff just to delete it again and download yet more stuff
[01:17] <StevenK> ubuntu-desktop can Depend on ephiphany | firefox
[01:17] <dolson> is evolution being replaced too?
[01:17] <StevenK> And you can educate aptitude to upgrade firefox and leave ephiphany uninstalled.
[01:17] <Burglaptop> dolson: evolution will never be replaced by thunderbird
[01:17] <StevenK> Besides, ephiphany is hard to type.
[01:17] <Burglaptop> regardless, this is all hot air
[01:17] <dolson> I didn't specify what it would be replaced by
[01:18] <dolson> it's not an official gnome project, is it?
[01:18] <Burglaptop> evo? yes it is
[01:18] <dolson> ah, ok
[01:18] <Burglaptop> since 2.8 I think
[01:18] <dolson> so evo = kmail for gnome
[01:18] <Burglaptop> yes
[01:19] <dolson> alright, I didn't know it was adopted as their own
[01:19] <dolson> I still don't like it. I use gmail only, so having evolution junk running in the background is useless to me
[01:19] <dolson> but I think it's the better software
[01:20] <Burglaptop> evolution-data-server != evolution
[01:20] <Burglaptop> e-d-s is used by more than evo
[01:20] <Burglaptop> http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen/Desktop
[01:20] <dolson> yeah, I know
[01:20] <Burglaptop> this is getting off-topic, so we should probably end it here
[01:20] <dolson> It takes two hours for the calendar to open up while it searches for appointments when I click on the date in the gnome panel
[01:21] <Burglaptop> again, file bugs, this is not the place to discuss such issues
[01:21] <Burglaptop> upstream if you have a fix
[01:21] <dolson> right, sorry.
[01:22] <Burglaptop> np
[01:39] <SEJeff> How do I get gdb to run a command with arguments to the command?
[01:40] <StevenK> SEJeff: set args=''
[01:41] <StevenK> Without the =, sorry.
[01:42] <SEJeff> so something like, gdb /usr/bin/executable then set args '--sync' then run?
[01:58] <StevenK> SEJeff: Yes
[01:58] <SEJeff> thanks
[01:59] <StevenK> SEJeff: And setting breaks and stuff before run if needed
[02:01] <StevenK> doko: Er, it seems I didn't check hard enough, moinmoin-common Replaces and Conflicts moin.
[02:01] <desrt> SEJeff; much easier way
[02:01] <desrt> gdb --args /usr/bin/executable these are your arguments
[02:02] <SEJeff> desrt, thanks, but xchat-gnome still dies and doesn't give gdb anything remotely useful
[02:02] <desrt> then just (gdb) run
[02:02] <desrt> not my problem :)
[02:02] <desrt> try blowing away your config files
[02:03] <SEJeff> It is a bug with xchat-gnome and the nvidia driver. says the server doesn't support the operation
[02:03] <SEJeff> malone bug #31705
[02:03] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31705 in xchat-gnome "Crash when turning on transparent" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31705
[02:34] <Kyral> kinda stupid question, but what Volume Manager is Dapper Current using (need to know so I can pass it to Thunar)
[02:35] <crimsun> gnome-volume-manager
[02:35] <crimsun> if you mean Ubuntu Dapper
[02:35] <Kyral> I meant in general.At the low level.
[02:36] <crimsun> meaning pmount, hal, and udev?
[02:36] <Kyral> yah
[02:40] <Kyral> I didn't have libhal-storage-dev installed..thats why it wasn't picking up on it lol
[12:40] <mdke> jpatrick, around?
[12:40] <jpatrick> mdke: yes, sir
[12:40] <mdke> jpatrick, ah cool. would you join #ubuntu-doc?
[12:40] <jpatrick> there
[02:57] <tenco> why is anacron and cron installed on ubuntu by default?
[03:09] <Kamion> Riddell: FYI, there are some substantial changes in my espresso archive you'll want to keep up with; I've moved the copy and config stages to debconffilter, which involves adding a debconf_progress_region method to your frontend and changing all the stuff around progress_loop (or whatever your equivalent is)
[03:21] <tuhl> hi all! where do I find a xen 3.0.1 kernel for ubunut?
[03:22] <mdke> Kamion, do you think it might be desirable to include the ubuntu css that I've applied to the installation-guide online in the packages too?
[03:22] <Kamion> mdke: probably not, don't want to diverge where I don't have to
[03:22] <mdke> Kamion, no problem, just thought I'd ask.
[03:23] <Kamion> it looks good though
[03:23] <mdke> Kamion, :)
[03:42] <tuhl> hi! any help for activating the composite extension and Xorg-air?
[03:44] <mjg59> tuhl: Not in here, no
[03:44] <mjg59> tuhl: #ubuntu is a better bet
[03:46] <tseng> mjg59: could you hit me with a clue about my multimedia keys
[03:46] <tseng> mjg59: volume down has stopped sending a keypress event (dell 600m)
[03:46] <tseng> volume up, rather
[03:50] <mjg59> tseng: Uhm.
[03:50] <mjg59> tseng: Nothing shows up if you hit it on the console while running showkeys ?
[03:51] <tseng> hm i was using xev
[03:52] <tseng> mjg59: nope, nothing on showkey either
[03:52] <tseng> only for vol down and mute
[03:52] <mjg59> tseng: Sounds like a hardware problem
[03:52] <mjg59> I'm fairly sure we haven't changed anything that would touch that
[03:53] <tseng> ok.
[03:53] <mjg59> tseng: Test under a Breezy livecd?
[03:53] <tseng> sure
[04:04] <Lathiat> kerry?
[04:05] <tseng> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1820
[04:05] <Lathiat> ah, knew i'd seen it somewhere
[04:07] <jpatrick> not me
[06:59] <pitti> hi ogra
[06:59] <ogra> hey pitti
[07:04] <ogra> pitti, would you mind taking a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/esd.patch if you find time ?
[07:05] <pitti> ogra: I can't judge whether it works, but it looks innocent enough
[07:06] <pitti> ogra: but isn't ESPEAKER already checked in a different place?
[07:06] <ogra> oki :)
[07:06] <pitti> ogra: I faintly remember that we already applied a similar patch in the past
[07:06] <ogra> might be, i just need to aviod the clashing filenames for the sockets
[07:06] <pitti> ogra: ah, right, that patch is just for determining the socket name
[07:07] <ogra> you applied the getuid change: sprintf (dirname, "/tmp/.esd%s-%i", audiodev, getuid());
[07:07] <ogra> but that doesnt help if you run with the same user several times :)
[07:07] <pitti> yes, I wasn't aware where that patch actually applied (socket, not output device)
[07:07] <pitti> yes, looks reasonable then
[07:08] <pitti> ogra: be aware that it'll break with third-party apps
[07:08] <ogra> are there apps accessing the socket directly apart from esd ?
[07:08] <pitti> ogra: i. e. commercial apps which don't use our libesd, but just look for /tmp/.esd
[07:08] <pitti> ogra: but we never particularly worried about these :)
[07:09] <ogra> but that will break already through the getuid change ;)
[07:09] <Treenaks> Argh! The logout dialog somehow triggers my mind into thinking 'Touch screen!'
[07:09] <pitti> right
[07:09] <ogra> i'm just setting audiodev ...
[07:09] <Treenaks> must be because they look like the (touch screen) train ticket machines here in .nl
[07:10] <Treenaks> pitti: thanks :)
[07:10] <ogra> perhaps we should make the buttons bigger :)
[07:11] <Treenaks> ogra: sure, make them full-screen#
[07:11] <Treenaks> ogra: saves you having to code the fade-effect too ;)
[07:11] <ogra> yeah :)
[07:12] <Treenaks> ogra: did you see the new moviegotchis I caught at FOSDEM? :)
[07:12] <ogra> nah, url ?
[07:13] <Treenaks> ogra: foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople
[07:13] <Treenaks> (ross, daniels, ploum and sladen x2)
[07:14] <Treenaks> and: the movies work GREAT in dapper + totem-gstreamer + firefox
[07:14] <Treenaks> all sync problems, etc. have magically gone away, it seems
[07:14] <Treenaks> \o/ gstreamer people
[07:19] <tseng> Treenaks: they really do work great
[07:20] <Treenaks> yeah, I think gst 0.10 rocks :)
[08:06] <Riddell> Kamion: ok, will look at that tomorrow
[08:06] <Riddell> tseng: no
[08:33] <sivang> Treenaks: have you been able to make emacs work under xgl?
[08:34] <sivang> (or anyone elase know if Kinnison solved ths issue and/or how?)
[08:38] <_lemsx1_> hello all
[08:38] <jpatrick> hello _lemsx1_
[08:38] <_lemsx1_> is there a way that somebody can apply this patch to the ubuntu artwiz-cursor/xfonts package? this is an old bug with a patch
[08:38] <_lemsx1_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfonts-artwiz/+bug/3255
[08:38] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3255 in xfonts-artwiz "fonts install in non-standard directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[08:39] <_lemsx1_> jpatrick: hello
[08:39] <_lemsx1_> i started fixing just that same bug and then found it in malone... next time i'll look first ;-)
[08:45] <simira> what package do I meld a bug on when I don't get the external monitor working for my laptop?
[08:45] <jpatrick> xorg?
[08:45] <simira> possibly
[08:47] <Kamion> _lemsx1_: I'll have a quick look now
[08:49] <Kamion> ugh, what possessed the reporter to patch version 1.3 anyway
[08:50] <Kamion> ah, epoch, never mind me
[08:52] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: thanks. because i'm trying to apply the patch and it's giving me problems
[08:53] <Kamion> that use of update-alternatives is evil
[08:53] <Kamion> tempted to drop that bit of the patch until somebody sorts it out properly
[08:54] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: the idea is the dpkg-divert should be done in /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc
[08:54] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: dpkg-divert --package artwiz-cursor --remove --rename --divert \
[08:54] <_lemsx1_> 		/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz-artwiz \
[08:54] <_lemsx1_> 		/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz
[08:54] <_lemsx1_> sorry for the paste
[08:54] <_lemsx1_> you get the idea
[08:54] <Kamion> dpkg-divert != update-alternatives; I'm not talking about dpkg-divert
[08:55] <Kamion> I understand the code
[08:55] <_lemsx1_> then an artwiz-cursor.theme needs to be created
[08:55] <Kamion> but using update-alternatives --set / update-alternatives --auto is fundamentally wrong
[08:55] <_lemsx1_> ok, update-alternative needs to install a link for x-cursor-theme to some real .theme file (since the core.theme is not part of Ubuntu's Xorg package)
[08:56] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: i agree. i didn't see that --auto stuff
[08:56] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: i almost had my package done before i saw this
[08:56] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: and i was taking a similar approach
[09:00] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: ok, i just diff the dpkg-source -x (extract) of the original package as is in ubuntu now (dapper)
[09:00] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: against the stuff i had done so far... can i give you this patch?
[09:00] <Kamion> use debdiff, attach to bug
[09:00] <Kamion> not sure even *more* big monolithic patches will actually help though :)
[09:01] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: this is a small patch
[09:01] <Kamion> is it a subset of Seth's?
[09:01] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: exactly
[09:01] <Kamion> no need then
[09:01] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: ok
[09:02] <Kamion> I just went through Seth's patch and trimmed it down a bit
[09:02] <Kamion> I'll upload once I've tested it
[09:02] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: thanks
[09:03] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: i'll stop this none sense here then ;-) put my efforts somewhere else
[09:23] <jpatrick> there's a 0.4.2pre2 verison of gpac in multiverse that can't build because of dep problems however malone #32362 fixes it, if I upload will it be considered as NEW?
[09:23] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32362 in gpac "Unmet dependency" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32362
[09:32] <setuid> doh
[09:32] <setuid> Weak references are not implemented in the version of perl at /usr/lib/perl5/AptPkg/hash.pm line 8
[09:32] <setuid> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/AptPkg/hash.pm line 8.
[09:35] <setuid> wow, apt-file is broken
[09:35] <setuid> Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' -- not retrieving.
[09:35] <setuid> # ls -l /var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz
[09:35] <setuid> dolson: /var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz: No such file or directory
[09:35] <setuid> s/dolson/ls:/
[09:36] <setuid> How do I know which package a specific file is in?
[09:37] <setuid> (normally, I'd use dlocate or apt-file, but they're both broken in dapper)
[09:38] <dolson> auto-apt search file
[09:41] <glatzor> setuid: dpkg -S FILE
[09:42] <Seveas> setuid, maybe the server has no Contents-i386.gz at all
[09:50] <sivang> anybody here uses emacs and has tab completion enabled / working / know how to set it up?
[09:59] <Kamion>       gpac |  0.2.0-0.0 | dapper/multiverse | amd64, i386, powerpc
[09:59] <Kamion>       gpac | 0.4.0+rc2-0.0 | dapper/multiverse | source
[10:00] <Kamion> jpatrick: no, won't be NEW unless it creates new binaries
[10:00] <Kamion> as in, binaries whose names are new to dapper
[10:00] <jpatrick> Kamion: I figured that out and uploaded
[10:01] <Kamion> Seveas: it has Contents-*, but it hasn't been generated since January 19
[10:01] <Kamion> I assume that was just rsynced over from the katie-based archive
[10:01] <Kamion> yeah, same timestamps
[10:37] <desrt> where did the nice logout dialog go?
[10:39] <tsdgeos> are fixes for dapper accepted or is it already frozen?
[10:40] <simira> I think it is still accepted
[10:41] <xxenon> hmm, I installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly as documented, but I still get no mp3 support in xine. Any clue ?
[10:41] <desrt> xxenon; you're seriously in the wrong channel
[10:41] <desrt> xxenon; you mean to ask that in #ubuntu
[10:41] <xxenon> ok ..
[10:41] <xxenon> well, Im testing flight 4
[10:41] <desrt> see topic:  Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper)
[10:42] <tsdgeos> does aspell-ca has a mantainer? do you need one? I filed a bug against it but don't know if there's anyone that can do the work, if not i'd be willing to take the job
[10:47] <desrt> seb128; i know you're lurking
[11:01] <ploum> hello
[11:15] <ploum> Hi JanC
[11:15] <ploum> I didn't see you at FOSDEM
[11:15] <JanC> hi ploum, you did see mee
[11:15] <ploum> Arf !
[11:16] <ploum> Have you said that you was JanC ?
[11:16] <ploum> or just your real name ?
[11:16] <JanC> I introduced myself as Jan Claeys
[11:16] <ploum> OKI !
[11:16] <ploum> I didn't make the link
[11:16] <ploum> (altought it was obious)
[11:16] <ploum> sorrrryyyy !
[11:16] <ploum> (I've meet so many people)
[11:16] <JanC> no problem
[11:17] <ploum> I remember :-)
[11:17] <JanC> jdub already created a list?  ;-)
[11:18] <ploum> he will do tonight !
[11:18] <JanC> great
[11:18] <ploum> Have you seen his final talk ?
[11:18] <ploum> JanC it was really great to see so much people for ubuntu-be !
[11:18] <JanC> yeah, and I hope the video of jeff's talk will be released
[11:19] <ploum> awesome, awesome
[11:19] <JanC> (someone was filming it I saw)
[11:19] <ploum> cool :-)
[11:19] <ploum> I didn't hear much feedback from nederlandstaligen after the ubuntu-be meeting
[11:20] <JanC> there weren't that many there I guess, but those that were are really interested
[11:20] <JanC> and some others are interested too
[11:20] <ploum> cool :-)
[11:21] <JanC> some of the people that I know are interested were at other talks or even helping out with the organisation
[11:21] <ploum> I understand
[11:22] <ploum> But it's cool they are interested
[11:22] <JanC> also some people didn't come to fosdem--not everybody is a geek! ;-)
[11:22] <ploum> the only bad point is the bad guy who was late and who was always joking during my speech
[11:22] <ploum> (follow my eyes)
[11:22] <JanC> hehe  :P
[11:23] <ploum> Someone started a forum to discuss about ubuntu-be between us. I'm not sure it's a good idea but it exists : http://www.carolinux.be/
[11:23] <ploum> you have to register
[11:23] <JanC> I don't really like web forums  ;-)
[11:26] <JanC> ploum: do you know the people who registered ubuntu-linux.be or ubuntulinux.be ?
[11:27] <JanC> to me it seems like they only try to profit from ubuntu's popularity  :-(
[11:27] <JanC> hm ubuntu-linux.be is now redirected to a webmail
[11:28] <JanC> but www.ubuntulinux.be still redirects to a company website that doesn't even mention ubuntu...


[14:37] <dpm> hi ev, we were having a conversation about timezones and their translations in Ubiquity on #ubuntu-translators. Do you think you could shed some light on where those translations come from -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/771170/ ?
[14:46] <cjwatson> looks like iso-codes to me
[14:47] <cjwatson> iso-codes doesn't seem to have the offending translations as such though
[14:49] <cjwatson> and ubiquity.templates looks right
[14:49] <cjwatson> perplexing; I guess it must be a ubiquity code bug rather than a translation bug
[14:50] <cjwatson> I'm doing other things right now, though - please file a bug and tell me the number, and I'll milestone it to try to avoid forgetting about it
[15:12] <dpm> thanks cjwatson, andrejz tells me it's bug 904770
[15:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 904770 in ubiquity "Slovenia is not on the list of countries in time zone window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904770
[15:12] <andrejz> cjwatson in addition
[15:13] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[15:13] <andrejz> Srbija is displayed no matter on which ex_Yugoslavia republic one clicks (6 occurances of serbia 6 ex Yu republics).
[15:13] <cjwatson> right, dpm just explained that
[15:13] <cjwatson> I don't think it's a translation bug
[15:13] <andrejz> ok, i missed a bit
[15:13] <andrejz> yeah me to
[15:14] <andrejz> because i checked all isocodes .po files
[15:14] <cjwatson> I understand the distress, I come from a contentious country too and don't like people getting its name wrong :)
[15:14] <andrejz> and neither slovenian or serbia are misrepresented
[15:15] <andrejz> well in addition this was one country about 20 years ago and then it got split and a war broke out, so some people still have bad feelings about this. In Slovenia it wasn't really bad, but further south (Croatia, Bosnia) it was quite tough..
[15:15] <cjwatson> yeah, I understand
[15:15] <andrejz> so some people are still a bit agressive
[15:15] <cjwatson> I know the history (more or less)
[15:16] <cjwatson> anyway, it's definitely not intentional
[15:16] <andrejz> i know
[15:17] <andrejz> it would be just cool if it was fixed before more people get upset
[15:17] <cjwatson> I'll hopefully have time to look at it before the Christmas break
[15:17] <andrejz> in time for precise (LTS) at least
[15:17] <cjwatson> I milestoned it for alpha-2
[15:18] <andrejz> ok thanks
[15:19] <andrejz> also cjwatson
[15:20] <andrejz> let me add i didn't notice this in ubuntu 11.04
[15:20] <andrejz> also i think it wasn't there for ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 when i istalled it
[15:21] <cjwatson> I suspect that I will not start out by comparing with previous releases, as the churn is too high to do it that way; but thanks anyway
[15:21] <andrejz> maybe it helps to narrow down the search
[15:22] <cjwatson> probably not sadly, I expect I'll just debug from scratch :)
[15:23] <cjwatson> (it's true that sometimes that approach helps; it just IME doesn't with something like this)
[15:24] <andrejz> ok thanks
[15:33] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1594 ubuntu/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[15:33] <CIA-4> debian-installer: Switch i386 to the -generic-pae kernel flavour, and add a new
[15:33] <CIA-4> debian-installer: netboot/non-pae build for i386 that uses the -generic flavour
[15:33] <CIA-4> debian-installer: (LP: #897786).
[15:35] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1595 ubuntu/ (build/Makefile debian/changelog):
[15:35] <CIA-4> debian-installer: Exclude checksum files themselves (MD5SUMS, SHA1SUMS, and SHA256SUMS)
[15:35] <CIA-4> debian-installer: from the contents of checksum files.
[16:00] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1596 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu91
[16:43] <infinity> cjwatson: Is there a way to squeeze something a little more helpful from base-installer than:
[16:43] <infinity> Dec 15 15:53:36 base-installer: info: could not determine kernel flavour
[16:43] <infinity> Dec 15 15:53:36 base-installer: info: Found kernels ''
[16:45] <cjwatson> set -x? :-)
[16:45] <cjwatson> what kernel flavour are you trying to install?
[16:46] <infinity> omap4
[16:46] <infinity> It's armhf netinst.
[16:47] <infinity> After fixing eglibc, I've landed here. :P
[16:47] <cjwatson> kernel/armhf.sh is going to want to be a tad more complete.
[16:47] <cjwatson> :q
[16:48] <cjwatson> oops
[16:48] <cjwatson> I bet a bunch of kernel/tests/armhf/ could be symlinks to armel.
[16:48] <cjwatson> once you've fleshed out the code itself
[16:48] <infinity> I bet it all could be symlinks.
[16:48] <cjwatson> Probably.  I blame Hector.
[16:49] <cjwatson> Though maybe not totally unreasonable to leave out v7-capable subarches.
[16:49] <cjwatson> v7-*in*capable
[16:49] <infinity> Meh.
[16:49] <infinity> The kernels won't exist, and no one will build for them.
[16:50] <infinity> Duplicating the code instead of linking it just to clean up a case statement seems pedantic and silly.
[16:50] <cjwatson> I'm cool with symlinks all over if you are.
[16:50] <infinity> I <3 symlinks.
[16:50] <infinity> I'm a big fan of "if it ain't broke..."
[16:51] <infinity> Of course, this means I need to merge the mx5 stuff they did back into armel before symlinking around.
[16:51] <infinity> But that's not rocket science.
[16:53]  * infinity fixes.
[16:53] <infinity> cjwatson: Thanks for the pointer.
[16:53] <cjwatson> np
[16:54] <infinity> Of course, I missed your d-i upload.  So, I get to do anohter after this.
[16:54] <infinity> \o/
[16:54] <cjwatson> base-installer isn't in the initrd, so no need.
[16:54] <infinity> Oh, yay.  Shiny.
[17:23] <infinity> Oh, err, I really should have run the testsuite before uploading. :P
[17:41] <cjwatson> haha
[17:41] <cjwatson> I was going to suggest that but thought it would be patronising :-P
[17:59] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r912 ubuntu/ (commit.d/format_swap debian/changelog):
[17:59] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: Stop using libparted to format swap partitions. parted 3.0 doesn't
[17:59] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: support this anyway, and I'm guessing that this may be the cause of
[17:59] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: blkid sometimes not recognising the swap partition during installation
[17:59] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: (LP: #709363).
[18:02] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r913 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 71ubuntu2
[18:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5112 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[18:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[18:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: 1.122ubuntu3, partman-auto 93ubuntu18, partman-basicfilesystems
[18:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: 71ubuntu2.
[19:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5113 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.8


[00:06] <Whiskey`> yay my 14.04 is locking up at starting cups-browsed. is there a way to skip a statup service on boot?
[03:30] <juan95> hola, necesito su auda acabo de instalar kubuntu 14 y no he podido instalr el flash player  alguno sabe como hacerlo
[07:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:47] <alket> good morning lordievader
[07:48] <lordievader> Hey alket, how are you?
[07:49] <alket> fine , you
[07:51] <lordievader> Doing allright, waking up.
[08:41] <maysara> Hi, I want to install ufw-kde but I'm facing this problem every time: http://paste.kde.org/pkhwmkwsb
[08:44] <smoof> what deo u mean maysara?
[08:44] <smoof> is kde a desktop? wtf is ufw?
[08:44] <smoof> lol
[08:44] <smoof> good luck with that
[08:44] <lordievader> maysara: That might be a packaging issue.
[08:45] <maysara> lordievader: How can I fix it?
[08:45] <smoof> wat is ufw-kde?
[08:45] <smoof> that might solve your problem if u could actually define its origin lol
[08:46] <lordievader> maysara: If I'm right the maintainer needs to fix it.
[08:47] <lordievader> smoof: Ufw is the uncomplicated firewall, a front-end for iptables. ufw-kde is a qt gui for ufw.
[08:47] <maysara> lordievader: Ok thanks
[08:48] <lordievader> maysara: What may be a work around is to rename the file it is trying to overwrite.
[08:49] <maysara> lordievader: I'll try
[08:52] <lordievader> maysara: I asked in #kubuntu-devel if it was a packaging issue, apachelogger said the following:
[08:52] <lordievader> < apachelogger> lordievader: system, they have a ufw-kde version from a foreign source apparently
[08:53] <maysara> lordievader: Aha
[08:53] <soee> is it possible in kruner to add some alias to open website in default webbrowser ?>
[08:54] <lordievader> maysara: You can also use dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:57] <maysara> lordievader: It's ok. I removed the foreign package and install ufw-kde and it works fine. Thank you!
[08:58] <lordievader> maysara: Good to hear :)
[10:47] <aLeSD_> hi all
[10:47] <aLeSD_> is it possible to have kde4 on 14.04 ?
[10:47] <hateball> It's what it comes with, so
[10:48] <aLeSD_> ops
[10:53] <Anon_> is there a way to use skype through telepathy?
[10:56] <aLeSD_> mmm ... and I can't find a package for KGraphViewer...
[10:56] <aLeSD_> I am ucrrent on ubuntu 14.04. Do you know if it is contained in another bigger package ?
[10:57] <windows8> anybody know how I can turn off these annoyuing join/leave messages in quassel?
[10:58] <hateball> windows8: rightclick -> hide events
[11:07] <windows8> anon: I tried to use skype through telepathy.. it was a pain in the ass.. why bother.... it didn't work... you can just install skype!!
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:11] <kriag> how to backup kubuntu?
[11:11] <kriag> help please
[11:11] <yofel> !backup
[11:12] <kriag> i using kubuntu 14.04
[11:12] <kriag> and using kup for backup but kup have a probem with libc-2.19
[12:02] <AnonSkillz_> does anyone know how i can get my desktop back to its original resolution?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> AnonSkillz_, what have you done so far to correct the problem?
[12:10] <AnonSkillz_> ive went to system setting to make sure my display was still at the correct resolution and it is but everything looks blown up since restart
[12:11] <BluesKaj> so no options to change resolution in system settings display?
[12:12] <AnonSkillz_> no its at the correct resolution
[12:14] <AnonSkillz_> the panel and the windows are a lot bigger though
[12:16] <Dutchman> AnonSkillz_, did you try <Meta>+0 or <Meta>+-? Maybe you somehow triggered the screen magnifier?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> AnonSkillz_, open a terminal, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[12:17] <BluesKaj> driver in use pls, AnonSkillz_
[12:19] <AnonSkillz_> radeon
 radeon
[12:29] <BluesKaj> AnonSkillz_, so you updated and upgraded and this happened.
[12:31] <AnonSkillz_> no i restarted after installing the skype plugin for telepathy
[12:34] <BluesKaj> AnonSkillz_, what's the "correct" resolution and have you tried any higher settings if available?
[12:35] <AnonSkillz_> 1366x768 is the highest and what its set at. i've also tried to apply lower resolutions and then reapply the native resolution
[12:46] <BluesKaj> AnonSkillz_, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2
[13:25] <daum_> does anyone else have issues where sometimes when you open the chrome window it doesn't fully refresh the whole window?  So parts of the window are whatever otehr tab you had open?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> daum_, chrome or chromium?
[13:30] <daum_> BluesKaj, chromium
[13:30] <BluesKaj> never seen that
[13:59] <Decus> Hello!
[14:05] <Decus> Friends, is anyone here using → https://github.com/linrunner/TLP ?
[15:57] <shattingduck> when I push the volume up/down keys on my keyboard the volume of the NVIDIA card's soundcard is changed, but I need to change the "built-in-audio"-card, since I don't use sound over hdmi, how do I change the keyboard keys to map to a different mixer channel?
[19:12] <amundsen> hi
[19:12] <m0ld3r> hi
[19:12] <amundsen> i'm trying to make icedtea-plugin run under chromium
[19:12] <amundsen> but i get a message telling me to install java plugin
[19:13] <amundsen> i've tried some solutions from inet
[19:13] <amundsen> with no success
[19:13] <amundsen> anybody has chromium running icedtea-plugin correctly?
[19:14] <andy123> might be a bug
[19:14] <andy123> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/36082?string=open&project=1&type[0]=&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto=
[19:15] <andy123> * https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/36082
[19:21] <rberg_> fwiw chromium keeps telling me to upgrade java when I am already on the latest.. 1.7 u55 or something
[19:21] <rberg_> oracle java that is
[19:21] <TheFakeazneD525> Use Oracle Java
[19:22] <TheFakeazneD525> less hassle to set up and full java support
[19:35] <Guest77231> nick superwhore
[20:25] <kod3n> anybodies here ?
[20:26]  * genii slides kod3n a fresh mug of coffee
[20:38]  * TheFakeazneD525 slides genii a fresh mug of adran
[20:38] <TheFakeazneD525> er, coffee
[20:38] <genii> Hah, thanks :)
[20:45] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: so
[20:46] <TheFakeazneD525> how's it goin
[20:47] <genii> TheFakeazneD525: Not bad, researching parts for tablets right now. And it's Friday with 15 minutes left in the workday :)
[20:47] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: :}
[20:47] <TheFakeazneD525> genii: so, do you think there'll be a Kubuntu touch?
[20:48] <genii> I'm dubious, but it would be nice.
[20:48] <TheFakeazneD525> Plasma Active <3
[20:48] <genii> The plasma-netbook might even be usable as-is for most tablets
[20:49] <TheFakeazneD525> Hmm, I haven't used plasma-netbook much
[20:49]  * TheFakeazneD525 is on a netbook and likes Plasma Desktop
[20:49] <TheFakeazneD525> :P
[20:49] <TheFakeazneD525> but my main panel is tiny :3
[20:49] <genii> TheFakeazneD525: Basically it uses folder tabs across the top
[20:50] <TheFakeazneD525> ahhh
[20:50] <fusaonet> alguem do Brasil online ???
[20:50] <TheFakeazneD525> ._.
[20:54] <genii> !br | fusaonet
[20:57] <TheFakeazneD525> :}
[21:40] <Rocco-_> Hello
[21:40] <Rocco-_> oxygen annimations consumes are recommended ??
[21:41] <Rocco-_> forget consumes***
[21:42] <Rocco-_> or slow down KDE animations ??
[21:46] <genii> Rocco-_: Enabling desktop effects should be fine for most computers, unless it is very old or underpowered. If the animations become too much, it will turn them off automatically anyways.
[21:47] <Rocco-_> im running kde on a pentium4 2gbram genii
[21:47] <Rocco-_> runs fine, just im too noob on KDE
[21:47] <Rocco-_> 128mb video memory
[21:48] <Rocco-_> automatically turned off..got it
[21:48] <genii> Rocco-_: It's a bit older system you have there, if you enable a lot of desktop effects it might turn them off if it starts using too many resourses
[21:48] <rberg_> you can do some amount of adjusting the effects.. like "high display resolution and low CPU" or "low display resolution and low CPU"
[21:49] <Rocco-_> i have just a few effects going on here..consumes at startup 300mb- 1-10cpu
[21:49] <Rocco-_> escuse my english..
[21:49] <Rocco-_> i have that rberg_
[21:49] <Rocco-_> thanks
[21:50] <rberg_> I would also disable the blur effect.. that one can be a bit heavy
[21:50] <Rocco-_> ok..im takin notes
[22:29] <mr-rich> Ok ... just attempted to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04. Got a mesage about shutting down kdm and said yes ... system totally hosed ... HELP!
[22:29] <mr-rich> Recover mode not working
[22:30] <mr-rich> hanging on mounting ...
[22:30] <mr-rich> this is my main computer ... I'm panicing ... :(
[22:33] <mr-rich> any help? Please?
[22:35] <dmatt> mr-rich: was it restart after upgrade has finished or in the middle
[22:35] <mr-rich> in the middle ... screen went to the screen with the dots ... stayed there ...
[22:36] <mr-rich> eventually I rebooted from cli ... NOTHING WORKS NOW ...
[22:36] <mr-rich> my home dir is on a different disk and it is not mounted ...
[22:37] <mr-rich> tried rebooting to recover mode ... stops while trying to mount disks and hangs
[22:37] <mr-rich> try reboot command nothing happens
[22:38] <mr-rich> hit reset and get the grub screen
[22:39] <dmatt> mr-rich: do you get command line?
[22:40] <dmatt> if yes you can attempt to continue upgrade
[22:40] <mr-rich> yes ... a "maintainance shell"
[22:40] <dmatt> could you manually mount home?
[22:41] <mr-rich> Trhying to ... managed to moung /boot ...
[22:42] <mr-rich> got /home mounted ...
[22:42] <dmatt> what kernel are you on, old or new?
[22:43] <dmatt> uname -a
[22:44] <mr-rich> Old ... 3.2.0-61
[22:45] <mr-rich> came with the update for 12.04 from a few days ago ... compiled may 2
[22:45] <dmatt> apt-get check ?
[22:46] <mr-rich> mounted /home on /home where it should be and /boot, too ...
[22:46] <dmatt> what does "apt-get check" says?
[22:46] <mr-rich> lots of errors ...
[22:47] <mr-rich> Unmet dependencies
[22:48] <mr-rich> says to run with -f, but that's not working ...
[22:48] <dmatt> what does /etc/apt/sources.list point to?
[22:49] <mr-rich> running apt-get install -f ...
[22:50] <mr-rich> dmatt: I don't think I have internet yet ...
[22:50] <dmatt> maybe you can check /var/log/apt/history.log to see, how far the update went
[22:51] <mr-rich> seems to be installing from downloaded packages ...
[22:51] <dmatt> everything is diwnloaded first so you should have it localy
[22:52] <mr-rich> one thing I noticed when the upgrade was happening is that the dialog box said upgrading to "Ubuntu 14.04" not Kubuntu ...
[22:52] <dmatt> by the way i syour home necrypted?
[22:53] <mr-rich> no
[22:53] <mr-rich> thankfully ... :)
[22:53] <dmatt> mr-rich: did you backup your data ?
[22:54] <mr-rich> not recently ... it's all there, though ... /home/myuser is safe ...
[22:56] <mr-rich> seems to be completing the upgrade ...
[22:57] <mr-rich> but I saw kernel 3.2.0 scroll by ...
[22:59] <dmatt> mr-rich: you may need to repeat install -f few times
[23:00] <dmatt> and I am not sure about grub, you might need a medium for grub repair
[23:05] <genii> If you have some other boot media you can reinstall it from that, just specify --boot-directory
[23:09] <mr-rich> seems to be booting now ... kede log in working ...
[23:11] <mr-rich> dmatt: everything looks good ... but I got a bunch of socket errors ... not sure what that means ...
[23:12] <dmatt> mr-rich: me neither..
[23:13] <dmatt> mr-rich: other thing work? full desktop is on?
[23:13] <dmatt> *things
[23:16] <mr-rich> dmatt: full desktop ... internet ... did't want to reboot/shutdown from GUI, thought ...
[23:16] <mr-rich> rebooted from CLI ...
[23:17] <dmatt> mr-rich: well it wasn't such disaster then ...
[23:17] <dmatt> 14.04 does not use kdm, but lightdm
[23:20] <mr-rich> aha ... says I have 1000+ updates waiting ... try to run, but get auth failed. never get an auth dialog
[23:21] <dmatt> run the first updates from command line
[23:22] <dmatt> and maybe try also recovery boot and automatic dpkg repair, it could help if you stil have some packages in wrong state
[23:25] <mr-rich> what is the command to update a package from CLI?
[23:27] <dmatt> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:27] <dmatt> you may try to run sudo apt-get check first
[23:27] <dmatt> to see if you have everything solved
[23:28] <mr-rich> no errors ...
[23:29] <dmatt> then go ahead with updates
[23:30] <mr-rich> running now ...
[23:35] <darkseid__> Greetings.. This is the output for dolphin: serch desktop disabled when restarting ubuntu 14.04
[23:35] <darkseid__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7425707/ --
[23:36] <darkseid__> dolphin is crashing everytime I run it.
[23:36] <darkseid__> Any ideia?
[23:37] <dmatt> darkseid__: reinstall it
[23:37] <darkseid__> dmatt: Already did twice..
[23:40] <dmatt> try to rename /home/ubik/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc to backup and let it create configuration from scratch
[23:40] <dmatt> to dolphinrc.backup
[23:41] <darkseid__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7425707/ -- Dolphin and gwenview is crashung. Don't even open up!!
[23:46] <valorie> darkseid__: can you give the output of `apt-cache policy ibus`?
[23:48] <valorie> it appears you are missing some dependencies
[23:56] <valorie> pfff, have to go to dinner -- hope someone can help darseid if s/he returns


[00:05] <willdeberry> ok, well email is sent. we shall see if we can get this resolved
[00:11] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[23:54] <ahoneybun> No such Launchpad account: athoneycutt
[23:55] <ahoneybun> getting this error when trying to clone, how do I change that launchpad account to my real one : aaronhoneycutt?
[23:55] <ahoneybun> thanks al
[23:55] <ahoneybun> *all
[23:56] <wgrant> ahoneybun: Using bzr or git?
[23:58] <ahoneybun> git
[23:58] <ahoneybun> that;s the issue: bzr launchpad-login shows the right name
[23:58] <ahoneybun> aaronhoneycutt
[23:58] <wgrant> ahoneybun: include your Launchpad username in the URL that you give to git.
[23:59] <wgrant> eg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:59] <ahoneybun> No such Launchpad account: athoneycutt ?
[23:59] <ahoneybun> sorry
[23:59] <nacc> right, git's auth is rather different than bzr and is essentially per-project (with an inheritance model described in `man git-config` iirc)


[04:45] <mup> PR snapd#8114 opened: boot: use variables for boot status values <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8114>
[06:26] <mborzecki> morning
[06:32] <mborzecki> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108 needs a 2nd review
[06:32] <mup> PR #8108: tests/main/interfaces-pulseaudio: use custom pulseaudio script, set kill timeout <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108>
[06:35] <mborzecki> same #8114
[06:35] <mup> PR #8114: boot: use variables for boot status values <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8114>
[06:40] <mborzecki> quick round trip to school, back in 30
[07:09] <mborzecki> re
[08:00] <pstolowski> morning
[08:03] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:05] <mborzecki> wow, firefox 73 finally handles hidpi correctly
[08:06] <mup> PR snapd#8114 closed: boot: use constants for boot status values <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8114>
[08:08] <mborzecki> pedronis: hey, thanks for merging 8114, i'll proceed updating 8077
[08:21] <abeato> mborzecki, hey, do you know if the support for default tracks in snapd is already merged?
[08:23] <pedronis> abeato: it is in master, it will be in 2.44
[08:23] <mborzecki> abeato: iirc it was, but rather recently, within last 2-3 weeks, pedronis probably has all the details
[08:24] <abeato> pedronis, mborzecki ok, thanks
[08:34] <mup> PR snapd#8111 closed: tests: add new backend which includes images with tpm support <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8111>
[08:54] <pedronis> jamesh: hi, have you seen the questions in #7588 ?
[08:54] <mup> PR #7588: cmd/snap: add a "snap routine portal-info" command <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7588>
[08:56] <pedronis> mborzecki: we should probably rename the signature in bootState as well to match what we used now in the implementations
[08:56] <sdhd-sascha> Hi, anything new about #7927
[08:56] <mup> PR #7927: interfaces: x11 allow apparmor on classic <Created by sd-hd> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7927>
[08:56] <mborzecki> pedronis: right, good idea
[08:57] <pedronis> thx
[08:58] <mup> PR snapd#8115 opened: overlord/devicestate: fix preseed unit tests on systems not using /snap <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8115>
[08:58] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ^^
[09:23] <jamesh> pedronis: sorry.  I've been working through some changes on my other branch.  I'll answer those q's now.
[10:12] <tomwardill> What would be preventing my snap from reading files from /usr/share (inside the confinement)? Getting pandoc template errors as it can't read the default templates, which are installed in the snap.
[10:21] <zyga> tomwardill: are you reading them from $SNAP/usr/share or from /usr/share?
[10:21] <tomwardill> zyga: /usr/share (prebuild application that I can't change)
[10:21] <zyga> tomwardill: then they are not installed in the snap
[10:22] <zyga> tomwardill: are they really in /usr/share from the perspective of the snap? In other words, are they in the base snap used by your application snap?
[10:22] <tomwardill> zyga: pandoc is apt installed during build
[10:22] <tomwardill> extracting the squashfs shows the files
[10:22] <ogra> thats $SNAP/usr/share then
[10:22] <tomwardill> (it's the pandoc templates I'm tyring to read)
[10:22] <zyga> tomwardill: again, then your snap contains those files but the application is not using them
[10:23] <zyga> tomwardill: it is attempting to use files from /usr/share
[10:23] <zyga> tomwardill: I'm trying to explain the crucial difference
[10:23] <mborzecki> layouts to the rescue?
[10:23] <ogra> yeah
[10:23] <zyga> tomwardill: your application is not the root filesystem of the snap application process
[10:23] <tomwardill> oh, right, I see.
[10:23] <ogra> a layout can fake $SNAP/usr/share to look like /usr/share to your application
[10:23] <zyga> tomwardill: you can ship and access arbitrary files but they are in a runtime-variable location at $SNAP
[10:24] <zyga> tomwardill: you can use one of the mechanism we have to alleviate that, but it depends on circumstances
[10:24] <zyga> tomwardill: usually layouts are a good first try
[10:24] <zyga> tomwardill: they are documented on the snapcraft website, let me know if you need a link
[10:24] <tomwardill> I've seen the docs for that, I'll give it a try
[10:24] <tomwardill> thanks for the help :)
[10:25] <zyga> tomwardill: pleasure :) let me know if it worked in the end :)
[10:40] <pedronis> mborzecki: not urgent but I made a suggestion about how to try to close #6708
[10:40] <mup> PR #6708: packaging/ubuntu: enable PIE hardening flags <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6708>
[11:25] <mborzecki> cachio: hi, do you know when was the last time centos 7 images were updated?
[11:29] <kbroulik> Hi, does the snap sandbox prevent dbus activation of services? If I call e.g. notifications service when it isn't running, my snap says "name has no owner" and fails. With a git build running regularly it launches the service and continues
[11:32] <mup> PR snapd#8116 opened: test/lib/user: add helper lib for doing things for and as a user <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8116>
[11:34] <mborzecki> kbroulik: is that on ubuntu?
[11:34] <kbroulik> yes
[11:34] <kbroulik> it appears an "Introspect" call to a dbus service isnt allowed?
[11:35] <mborzecki> kbroulik: right, so there's a known (is it?) problem that the policy allows for a snap app to talk to an 'unconfined' service over dbus, but until the service has actually launched, dbus does not know what context that service would have
[11:35] <kbroulik> okay
[11:35] <mup> PR snapd#8117 opened: tests: add preseed test for classic <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8117>
[11:36] <kbroulik> mborzecki: also "ListActivatableNames" isnt allowed either, so I cant have my app check for that either
[11:36] <mborzecki> kbroulik: so the dbus *.service files of your host services need to have `AssumedAppArmorLabel=unconfined` or the service must be already running
[11:37] <mborzecki> kbroulik: if it's a particular service in ubuntu then maybe you could file a bug, i know that the desktop team added that snippet to some of the portal services upstreams
[11:38] <kbroulik> it's a weird kde plasma specific
[11:38] <cachio> mborzecki, 1 week ago
[11:38] <kbroulik> I mean, the service is standard (freedesktop notifications) but plasma does something mental with it
[11:38] <cachio> mborzecki, hi
[11:38] <kbroulik> you mean LinuxSecurityLabel?
[11:38] <cachio> mborzecki, feb-3
[11:38] <mborzecki> kbroulik: no, `AssumedAppArmorLabel=unconfined`
[11:39] <kbroulik> okay
[11:39] <cachio> mborzecki, I just retrigger again the update
[11:39] <kbroulik> mborzecki: will this be ignored by others not supporting it?
[11:39] <mborzecki> kbroulik: afaik for gnome-shell the notification service is part of the shell process, so it's up already before one even starts snap apps
[11:39] <kbroulik> mborzecki: yeah in plasma it's not, and with recent startup improvements we now start autostart so fast the apps come up before the desktop is fully ready :)
[11:40] <mborzecki> kbroulik: haha must be fun
[11:40] <kbroulik> normally it wouldnt be a problem if people stopped using stupid QDBusInterface class
[11:40] <mborzecki> kbroulik: the key is part of upstream spec, https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html see `Mediating Activation with AppArmor`
[11:40] <kbroulik> I looked at that document and Ctrl+F'd for it... :)
[11:41] <kbroulik> oh well, thanks, I'll discuss it with my fellow devs
[11:41] <kbroulik> so, that "assumed" means, when you call something anyone can do it but once launched regular policies still apply?
[11:41] <kbroulik> *when you call when it's not running, I mean
[11:42] <mborzecki> kbroulik: i'm no expert on this, but yeah, that'd be my guess
[11:42] <kbroulik> ok I'll give it a go
[11:42] <kbroulik> thanks very much
[11:42] <mborzecki> cachio: cool, i got a notification about that https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16441#c36261 so maybe it'll work this time
[11:43] <cachio> mborzecki, yesterday failed because an error with a mirror trying to update
[11:43] <cachio> mborzecki, lets wait a bit to see the results today
[11:43] <cachio> hopefully the systemd error is gone
[11:44] <mborzecki> cachio: btw. noticed your note in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8058 do yout want to discuss that in/after the standup?
[11:45] <mup> PR #8058: run-checks, travis: allow skipping spread jobs by adding a label <Skip spread> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8058>
[11:45] <mborzecki> (or before whatver's more convenient)
[11:45] <cachio> mborzecki, during
[11:45] <mborzecki> ok
[11:45] <cachio> we decided that last friday but then I forgot it
[11:46] <mborzecki> ok, np
[11:46] <mborzecki> huh google:arch-linux-64:tests/main/static failed ?
[11:47] <kbroulik> mborzecki: hmm doesnt work in my case.. I believe the "Introspect" call isnt allowed, or does "unconfined" allow any call to that service?
[11:48] <mborzecki> kbroulik: isn't Introspect part of the org.freedesktop.DBus inteface?
[11:48] <kbroulik> mborzecki: it's on the org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable
[11:50] <mborzecki> kbroulik: hmm but that would still be a traffic that does to the service, wouldn't it? can you try adding that snippet to *.service locally?
[11:50] <kbroulik> I added it, to no effect
[11:50] <kbroulik> I dont see a DENIED introspect call in dmesg either, though
[11:50] <kbroulik> oof why cant we have nice things :/
[11:51] <mborzecki> kbroulik: was dbus reloaded/restarted ?
[11:51] <kbroulik> ah, yeah the introspect call was denied
[11:51] <kbroulik> An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipien
[11:53] <kbroulik> mborzecki: I thought that was automatic? I did send a SIGHUP to dbus-daemon though
[11:54] <kbroulik> "There is no way to cause the D-BUS daemon to reload its configuration file" heh
[11:55] <zyga> mvo: reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1862761
[11:56] <mup> Bug #1862761: core systems using core18 boot base cannot unmount writable cleanly <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862761>
[12:01] <mborzecki> kbroulik: systemctl restart --user ? iirc dbus also had inotify on the service directories, so maybe it's already reloaded ?
[12:01] <mborzecki> kbroulik: this is how your plasma service should look like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MsrhGFv9gX/
[12:01] <mborzecki> oh, and arch updated glibc to 2.31 and master is thus broken ;P
[12:02] <mup> PR snapd#8118 opened: tests/main/static: ldd in glibc 2.31 logs to stderr now <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8118>
[12:03] <mborzecki> this should fix it ^^
[12:09] <kbroulik> mborzecki: heh, well, my system didnt like that at all :D so now I'm going to have to log out
[12:09] <mborzecki> kbroulik:hah ;)
[12:12] <kbroulik> mborzecki: yeah think that didnt help. It's probably that Introspect call being denied. *but* since nobody should ever use QDBusInterface: if that is ported away and done properly, ideally we'd just do a GetCapabilities call and see if that works or fails and call it a day
[12:12] <kbroulik> a call which we do later anyway
[12:12] <kbroulik> i.e. when using dbus one should never check for services, just call and see what happens
[12:13] <mborzecki> corba of the desktops
[12:15] <cachio> mborzecki, centos updated
[12:15] <mborzecki> cachio: thanks!
[12:15] <cachio> lets see now how it works
[12:15] <mvo> zyga: \o/ in a meeting - thank you!
[12:15] <cachio> mborzecki, to you
[12:56]  * zyga goes to make coffee
[12:58] <zyga> mborzecki: do you think the user helper could become a non-source but execute helper?
[12:59] <zyga> mborzecki: to again put boundaries on dependencies
[12:59] <zyga> mborzecki: it would also make it easier to use from things like retry-tool
[13:02] <mborzecki> zyga: maybe, depends on how much time we want to put in it tbh
[13:02] <zyga> mborzecki: just add a switch statement at the bottom
[13:02] <zyga> mborzecki: and run the functions you wrote
[13:03] <zyga> mborzecki: then it becomes user stop-session|start-session etc etc
[13:17]  * zyga breaks for coffee and some food
[13:44] <mborzecki> hmm https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/updating-the-current-link-in-the-home-directory-does-not-work/15406/7 i think it'd be weird if snapd started updating that randomly
[13:44] <mborzecki> and certainly there'd be more user drama
[13:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#2925 closed: project loader: use get_build_base() to assign plugin handler base <Created by cjp256> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2925>
[13:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#2926 opened: plugin handler: process elf files only if base is specified <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2926>
[13:58] <cjp256> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2926 is the workaround you're looking for :)
[13:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#2926: plugin handler: process elf files only if base is specified <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2926>
[13:59]  * ijohnson didn't know cjp256 knew the ways of the force
[13:59] <pedronis> has anybody seens this kind of error: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/648850614/log.txt
[13:59] <cjp256> i'm quite adept at force pushes
[14:00] <pedronis> ijohnson: ^
[14:00] <ijohnson> pedronis: will look after SU
[14:01] <zyga> pedronis: I haven't seen that error
[14:01] <ijohnson> pedronis: I've seen that "in the wild" on my UC20 test machines
[14:05] <mup> PR snapd#8119 opened: [RFC] httputil: add NoNetwork(err) helper and spread test <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8119>
[14:09] <zyga> jdstrand: hello
[14:09] <zyga> jdstrand: I've updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7980 -- would love to know if you can look at the changes
[14:10] <mup> PR #7980: packaging,snap-confine: stop being setgid root <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7980>
[14:10] <zyga> jdstrand: there are two more PRs that are ready for review but I'll hold on until you ping me you can do those
[14:10] <mborzecki> ijohnson: got they impression, they access some snap user data via $HOME/snap/<name>/current, which becomes broken when snap gets updated but a given user runs it rarely
[14:41] <mup> PR snapd#8058 closed: run-checks, travis: allow skipping spread jobs by adding a label <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8058>
[14:41] <mborzecki> yay
[14:51] <mup> PR snapd#8120 opened: cmd/snap-preseed: snapd version check for the target <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8120>
[14:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#2918 closed: elf: ensure _GNU_VERSION_R section is of type GNUVerNeedSection <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2918>
[14:58] <zyga> brb, 2nd coffee and a hunt for a memory card adapter
[15:07] <abeato> jdstrand, hey, there is this new 'primed-stage-packages' section in the manifest generated by snapcraft. This is a list of the packages that were really primed into the snap. Is there any plan to leverage this on review tools and use it instead of 'staged-packages'?
[15:07] <abeato> cjp256, ^^
[15:26] <mup> PR snapd#8118 closed: tests/main/static: ldd in glibc 2.31 logs to stderr now <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8118>
[15:30] <zyga> mvo: I pushed extra test data to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8113 after your approval - if you want to re-view please do
[15:30] <mup> PR #8113: cmd/snap-confine: bring /var/lib/dhcp from host, if present <Bug> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8113>
[15:30] <zyga> mvo: (mount-ns test changes reflecting the new mount)
[15:30] <mvo> zyga: thank you, looking
[15:31] <mvo> zyga: that should be fine
[15:35] <mborzecki> ijohnson: some comments in #8077, my head goes round with bootState20* things :)
[15:35] <mup> PR #8077: boot: enable base snap updates in bootstate20 <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8077>
[15:38] <ijohnson> mborzecki: thanks, I see I forgot to actually push that revert thanks for doing so :-)
[15:38] <mborzecki> ijohnson: no problem, reverted it and pushed with some other updates
[15:39] <ijohnson> mborzecki: thanks will take a look in a little bit, trying to finish review of pstolowski's PR
[15:41] <ijohnson> mborzecki: will you merge master to #8108 ?
[15:41] <mup> PR #8108: tests/main/interfaces-pulseaudio: use custom pulseaudio script, set kill timeout <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8108>
[15:41] <ijohnson> also should probably get another +1 from somebody other than me as I changed the PR a bit
[15:42] <mborzecki> ijohnson: right, pushing now
[15:42] <mborzecki> and off to do some groceries
[15:44] <ijohnson> thanks mborzecki
[15:45] <jdstrand> abeato (cc cjp256): there is. the review-tools should be updated soonish
[15:46] <abeato> jdstrand, cool, that's great news
[15:46] <jdstrand> zyga: ack. for now make sure that whatever is needed for 2.44 is milestoned for that. (7980 is on that list)
[15:47] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you!
[15:50] <abeato> sergiusens, cjp256, jdstrand I was also wondering if there could be an option in snapcraft to inject entries in 'primed-stage-packages'. In snaps that we build based on the deb sources, but recompiling (like network-manager) with patches on top, we would like to still receive CVEs without needing to hack review tools
[15:56]  * cachio lunch
[15:56] <cjp256> abeato: interesting case
[15:58] <abeato> some times we were putting packages in 'stage-packages' but not really priming them . with this change that technique is not going to work anymore
[16:03] <sergiusens> abeato: the alternative is to allow for reporting of the current stage-packages as a fallback... the solution you are using is quite hackish though
[16:04] <ijohnson> abeato: did you ask awe about his plan for doing that? I proposed exactly what you were saying to him a long time ago and he said there was a better way, I don't recall the details however
[16:04] <abeato> sergiusens, that's why I'd like a snapcraft option ;) - like report-packages
[16:04] <sergiusens> abeato: seems like a very specific workaround for a very specific scenario you have
[16:06] <sergiusens> abeato: why not track the udd (or equivalent) of the source package and get auto builds for those?
[16:07] <sergiusens> we still keep both in manifest.yaml, at the end of the day, the reporting tool should allow you to toggle that if you want
[16:09] <abeato> sergiusens, that's an alternative...
[16:10] <ijohnson> pstolowski: I reviewed #8046, is the next one I should look at #8102 ?
[16:10] <mup> PR #8046: many, tests: integrate all preseed bits and add spread tests <Complex> <Needs Samuele review> <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8046>
[16:10] <mup> PR #8102: o/ifacestate: move ResolveDisconnect to ifacestate <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8102>
[16:10] <abeato> but maybe adding packges for CVE notifications can be useful in other scenarios. not sure...
[16:11] <abeato> ijohnson, hm, I do not think there was an alternative to the staging hack
[16:11] <pstolowski> ijohnson: thanks! sure that will help too, it's for snap disconnect --forget
[16:11] <sergiusens> abeato: would rather have a generic "subscription" mechanism for this
[16:12] <ijohnson> abeato: perhaps I am mis-remembering
[16:12] <ijohnson> ack pstolowski
[16:12] <sergiusens> but this is something for the security team to drive
[16:12] <abeato> right
[16:13] <jdstrand> the thing to keep in mind is that the review-tools don't know that the git source you are using is coming from ubuntu
[16:14] <jdstrand> so we have to hint it somehow. one way is the review-tools that we currently do. another is to shove something into stage or prime or something
[16:14] <jdstrand> a different key could be introduced in the manifest.yaml that it could consider
[16:14] <abeato> jdstrand, lately we are using the auto-imported branches. Like
[16:14] <abeato>     source: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[16:14] <abeato>     source-type: git
[16:14] <abeato>     source-branch: applied/1.10.6-2ubuntu1.2
[16:14] <abeato> would that be manageable from review-tools?
[16:15] <jdstrand> abeato: that's great!
[16:15] <jdstrand> abeato: maybe. it kinda feels like the wrong level though
[16:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#2927 opened: requirements: uprev lxml to 4.5.0 <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2927>
[16:16] <jdstrand> abeato: I'll take a look at the nm manifest.yaml and think about it
[16:16] <abeato> jdstrand, ok, note that this is for the 1.10 branch - let me find the link
[16:17] <abeato> jdstrand, https://git.launchpad.net/~snappy-hwe-team/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/network-manager/tree/snap/snapcraft.yaml?h=snap-1.10
[16:18] <abeato> jdstrand, also: https://git.launchpad.net/~snappy-hwe-team/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/modem-manager/tree/snapcraft.yaml?h=snap-1.10
[16:18] <jdstrand> ok, thanks
[16:26] <pedronis> jdstrand: hi, have you seen this discussion https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7588#discussion_r377526563? it's about which interface should offer access to network status when running with portals
[16:26] <mup> PR #7588: cmd/snap: add a "snap routine portal-info" command <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7588>
[16:27] <pedronis> pstolowski: do you have time to quickly check about the prune issue now?
[16:28] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes
[16:28] <pstolowski> let's
[16:28] <pedronis> pstolowski: ok, let's use the standup
[16:30] <jdstrand> pedronis: I see it in my inbox, new today. I haven't read it yet
[16:43]  * zyga goes for dinner
[17:03] <zyga> pstolowski, pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8102#discussion_r377770429
[17:03] <mup> PR #8102: o/ifacestate: move ResolveDisconnect to ifacestate <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8102>
[17:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#2921 closed: storeapi: remove exposure of series <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2921>
[17:12] <pstolowski> zyga: good question!
[17:16] <pstolowski> i need to think
[17:22] <pstolowski> eod, cu
[17:29] <zyga> I will EOD soon but want to inspect one more time this weird bug I found
[17:29] <zyga> mvo: some early ideas on oom
[17:30] <zyga> mvo: snap set system oom-order=snap-a,snap-b,snap-d
[17:30] <zyga> would protect snap-a from oom more than snap-b, snapd-d and other parts of the system
[17:30] <zyga> mvo: (the name should probably oom-protect instead of oom-order but I wanted to imply there's an order)
[17:31] <zyga> mvo: another idea is to provide a privileged interface that allows smart snaps to set up oom protection using any current kernel features
[17:31] <zyga> mvo: the burden and responsibility shifts
[17:32] <zyga> mvo: I'll explore two more ideas tomorrow
[17:32] <zyga> for now I'm off
[18:11] <ijohnson> pedronis: if you're still around quick question about cleaning the boot variables... is it reasonable to assume in the `commit()` implementation for markSuccessful that it will always be called with both kernel + base snaps markSuccessful() called on the bootStateUpdate ?
[18:11] <ijohnson> pedronis: if so then the auto-cleaning logic is much simpler and we can get rid of one of the return values from genericMarkSuccessful I think
[18:12] <pedronis> ijohnson: yes, in the sense that's controlled by code inside the package, MarkBootSucceful in boot.go
[18:12] <ijohnson> ok, thanks that simplifies things
[18:12]  * ijohnson lunches
[18:13] <pedronis> ijohnson: please double check the code there matches you expect
[18:13] <pedronis> *what you
[18:35] <ijohnson> pedronis: yes it does match, my question was more about whether the current implementation of MarkBootSuccessful in boot.go can be relied on in bootstate20.go
[18:36] <pedronis> ijohnson: yes, they are within the same package, feel free to add comments though if helps somebody doing changes down the lien
[18:36] <pedronis> *line
[18:37] <ijohnson> I'll add comments as to what the assumptions I'm making
[18:37] <ijohnson> err that was awkwardly phrased ... I'll add comments about it there :-)
[19:46] <zyga> jdstrand: if you want to chat about any of my branches I'm available
[19:57] <techalchemy> zyga, jdstrand just told me to file this bug and ping you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1862832
[19:57] <mup> Bug #1862832: Latest snapd triggers apparmor denials on 'sendmsg' name=/run/nvidia-xdriver-xxxx <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862832>
[19:57] <zyga> aha
[19:57] <zyga> looking
[19:58] <zyga> techalchemy: thank you, I'll look at reproducing that back in the office tomorrow
[19:59] <techalchemy> thanks, I haven't noticed any issues besides the logs
[19:59] <zyga> techalchemy: does the application still operate correctly?
[19:59] <zyga> aha
[19:59] <techalchemy> the one we were looking at doesn't but that was because I built it with an old version of electron builder and it plugs pulseaudio
[20:00] <techalchemy> incidentally I looked at the second snap causing the issue and it also still plugs pulseaudio, it seems unlikely that would be  the cause but I guess I've seen stranger things
[20:01] <zyga> it's a shame the peer addr is ... whatever it is
[20:01]  * zyga wonders
[20:01] <techalchemy> it's the same socket as is mentioned elsewhere in the logs
[20:02] <techalchemy> (sorry for the highlights) <jdstrand> Decoded: var/run/nvidia-xdriver-f8177d9f
[20:06] <jdstrand> techalchemy: note, the pulseaudio stuff is unrelated to the nvidia stuff. I hadn't seen the logs yet when we were talking about audio, shm, etc
[20:06] <zyga> jdstrand: having you here, do you have an idea what that peer address represents?
[20:06] <zyga> Feb 11 13:59:41 utumno kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(1581447581.792:10272): apparmor="DENIED" operation="sendmsg" profile="snap.pomotroid.pomotroid" pid=1505247 comm="pomotroid" family="unix" sock_type="dgram" protocol=0 requested_mask="send" denied_mask="send" addr=none peer_addr="@7661722F72756E2F6E76696469612D786472697665722D66383137376439660000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000"
[20:06] <zyga> peer="unconfined"
[20:06] <jdstrand> techalchemy: this is the pulse issue: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/upcoming-pulseaudio-interface-deprecation/13418/10
[20:06] <zyga> that's not even a pointer
[20:07] <jdstrand> zyga: yeah, snap.pomotroid.pomotroid is trying to talk to @var/run/nvidia-xdriver-f8177d9f
[20:07] <techalchemy> jdstrand, yeah i just noticed that the other snaps causing the issue are also still plugging the pulseaudio slot rather than the new audio-playback slot
[20:07] <zyga> jdstrand: how did you derive @var/run/ from that number?
[20:07] <zyga> is that some base encoding?
[20:07] <jdstrand> zyga: and is being denied. there is also (in the bug) a non-abstract path in /run
[20:07] <zyga> aha
[20:08] <jdstrand> zyga: the aa-decode command techalchemy gave
[20:08] <techalchemy> oh i didn't post the command, woops
[20:08] <jdstrand> aa-decode @7661722F72756E2F6E76696469612D786472697665722D66383137376439660000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[20:08] <jdstrand> but, '@' isn't accepted by that command, so you drop it to decode, then prepend it
[20:09] <jdstrand> zyga: there are nuls in that string so the kernel encoded it
[20:09] <zyga> hmmm
[20:09] <zyga>  Jamie Strandboge aa-decode @7661722F72756E2F6E76696469612D786472697665722D66383137376439660000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[20:09] <zyga> er
[20:09] <zyga> aa-decode @7661722F72756E2F6E76696469612D786472697665722D66383137376439660000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[20:09] <zyga> String should only contain hex characters (0-9, a-f, A-F)
[20:09] <zyga> that doesn't work for me on focal?
[20:09] <jdstrand> zyga: did you read my next sentence? :)
[20:09] <zyga> ah, no
[20:10] <zyga> missed it among the paste
[20:10] <zyga> is this encoding something new? I haven't seen it before
[20:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#2928 opened: logging: use .warning instead of deprecated .warn <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2928>
[20:10] <zyga> but this helps a lot
[20:10] <jdstrand> zyga: did you see the next sentence after that? :)
[20:11] <jdstrand> zyga: it isn't new to the kernel as the string is determined by userspace
[20:12] <jdstrand> zyga: so, there are two denials:
[20:12] <jdstrand> /run/nvidia-xdriver-f8177d9f
[20:12] <jdstrand> and @var/run/nvidia-xdriver-f8177d9f
[20:12] <jdstrand> zyga: and only after upgrading to focal. it seems something changed in the nvidia driver?
[20:13] <jdstrand> zyga: I asked techalchemy to ping you since I don't have nvidia hardware and I suspect there is more to this than just adjusting the two denials (there might not be...)
[20:13] <techalchemy> yes, all of my nvidia packages were reinstalled i believe
[20:16] <jdstrand> zyga: I commented in the bug
[20:17] <zyga> Thank you
[20:18] <zyga> I can check it out tomorrow
[21:09]  * cachio afk
[22:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#2929 opened: elf: fixes for corrupt shared objects and semi-resolved path components from ldd <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2929>
[22:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#2930 opened: extensions: Handle case when user-dirs.dirs exits but not user-dirs.locale <Created by galgalesh> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2930>


[16:46] <Guest87087> A lot of banners and huge pro quality signs / posters out side are made out of vinyl
[16:47] <Guest87087> ....So my next test is to make stencils out of vinyl as well as toner transfer to vinyl (or more generally to any plastic based material)
[16:48] <Guest87087> ...I think i am going to chose pieces of vinyl flooring and uses the backside to experiment with.
[17:27] <Guest87087> ...I get the vinyl is a little different grade but essentially now different in theory if you can put it on vinyl floor you should beable to toner transfer to most other vinyl grade plastics.. or plastics in general.


[19:04] <chilts> morning
[19:50] <stuartyeates> morning
[19:51] <chilts> should be a nice day apparently
[19:52] <chilts> am on the laptop in Civic Sq, but it's pretty hard reading the screen :)


[08:33] <jam> fwereade: you would remember that we discussed writing something like that, but I don't think we ever actualyl did
[08:33] <fwereade> jam, ah right :)
[08:33] <jam> fwereade: what are you doing around now ? :)
[08:34] <fwereade> jam, taking the opportunity to code a little while (almost) nobody's around ;p
[08:34] <jam> understood
[08:36] <fwereade> jam, (although if you fancy reviewing either of my branches (or just conversing on the open issues in the first one) I'd be most grateful
[09:38] <fwereade> jam, hey, I thought I needed something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11749789/ ...but it turns out it's not quite as simple as that
[09:39] <fwereade> jam, but that general structure looks very familiar
[09:41] <fwereade> jam, do you think there's a place for a worker that just serializes ops onto a single goroutine and lets us focus on the op implementation?
[09:41] <fwereade> jam, possibly I should be calling them commands not ops?
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1467331 opened: configstore lock should use flock where possible <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467331>
[22:38] <mup> Bug #1467331 changed: configstore lock should use flock where possible <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467331>
[22:41] <mup> Bug #1467331 opened: configstore lock should use flock where possible <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467331>
[23:20] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2613
[23:20] <thumper> wallyworld: review board seems to be not picking up new pulls
[23:21] <wallyworld> thumper: will look after standup
[23:37] <wallyworld> thumper: lgtm
[23:37] <thumper> wallyworld: cheers
[23:38] <thumper> wallyworld: the other thought I had was the 1 second timeout
[23:38] <thumper> wallyworld: do you think they might be hitting that?
[23:39] <wallyworld> thumper: which timeout? is that mentioned in the bug report?
[23:40] <thumper> no... but it is the timeout that that fslock uses
[23:40] <thumper> the lock is only held during the duration of a read or write of the file
[23:40] <thumper> so I originally thought 1s should be more than enough
[23:40] <thumper> however if there are many ops running concurrently, they are serialized through this file
[23:41] <thumper> so perhas 2s?
[23:41] <thumper> I'm not sure
[23:41] <thumper> could just leave it as it is for now
[23:41] <thumper> I suppose
[23:41] <thumper> pretty sure we never hit this before
[23:42]  * thumper asks the bot to merge
[23:42] <thumper> will forward port to master
[23:42] <thumper> damn it is going to be cold at the gym
[23:42]  * thumper psychs himself up
[23:42] <wallyworld> thumper: yeah leave it for now if we haven't seen it before. but if the system has lots to do. may be a factor. i had to introduce reties to lxc ops due to i/o ontention recently
[23:50] <thumper> meh, just noticed bug 1464356
[23:50] <mup> Bug #1464356: TestCloudInit fails <blocker> <ci> <gccgo> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Invalid> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464356>
[23:50]  * thumper off to the gym


[02:27] <coshx> i'm debugging an upstart conf, but "sudo start myjob" and "sudo stop myjob" are freezing. I can ctrl+c out, but to get back to normal behavior, I have to reboot. the only change in /var/log is to auth.log (because of sudo). strace shows it freezing at "poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1", but I'm not sure what this means.
[02:45] <coshx> I'm guessing that fd is from connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/com/ubuntu/upstart"}, 22) = 0 -- is that a dbus socket?
[02:50] <ion> Please pastebin the config.
[02:52] <coshx> ion: http://gist.github.com/603892 <-- this is what I had (for debugging). It worked as expected a couple times, but then when I called "sudo stop cruise" it froze. I was debugging by calling initctl reload-configuration and then start/stop
[02:53] <ion> Your program most likely doesn’t behave as “expect daemon” expects and the current version of Upstart gets confused.
[02:54] <ion> Ah, it’s an sh script. Yeah, every external command ran by it consists of a fork and an exec, and Upstart follows the first fork and waits for the second one.
[02:54] <ion> Better drop the “expect” stanza if you don’t know *precisely* how the main program behaves regarding forks.
[02:54] <ion> Upstart 0.10 will handle forking programs much better.
[02:55] <coshx> interesting. the actual process should daemonize, but I'll remove the expect and see if I get the behavior I want
[02:57] <coshx> after removing that line, start/stop still freeze -- i'm guessing I have to restart the init process?
[02:57] <coshx> (the only way I know how to do that is to restart)
[02:59] <ion> Yeah, the job is a confused state, expecting for the first command ran by the sh script to finish daemonizing. If rebooting isn’t a problem, that’s the fastest way to get Upstart to a good state.
[03:04] <ion> The fork-following code is a simple initial implementation that only supports two specific use cases (which don’t include most sh scripts), and as i said, a much better replacement is in the works.
[03:07] <coshx> nice, i just don't daemonize the process and don't use 'expect' and it works perfectly! :)  Thanks for explaining to me
[03:24] <coshx> thanks! btw, when I do console output, should I be able to cat /dev/console and see output of the command? I assume this wouldn't show output from a fork though, right?
[03:29] <ion> It might be best to log to a file and read that.
[03:29] <ion> In a future release, the console stanza will support logging.
[03:30] <ion> The simplest style:
[03:30] <ion> script
[03:30] <ion>   exec >/path/to/log 2>&1
[03:30] <ion>   (the rest)
[03:30] <ion> end script
[03:35] <coshx> oh nice. i saw that on the wiki, but didn't realize it directs all output for the script to the logfile.
[13:06] <anymous> hello, how can i stop an upstart job that is defined as "task"?  the command "stop job" gives: stop: Unknown instance: under Lucid.
[13:09] <ion> Are you sure it’s running?
[13:09] <anymous> I think the problem with "tasks" is that they are listed as "stop/waiting"
[13:10] <anymous> although they have been running (doing their "task").
[13:11] <ion> That’s the point of tasks.
[13:11] <anymous> this is true for all jobs marked as tasks, like rcS, rc, mountall-shell, ...
[13:11] <anymous> but some of them have a "pre-stop" section
[13:11] <ion> Please see init(5), look up the definition of task under “Services, tasks and respawning”.
[13:12] <anymous> I have read the manpage, but it doesn't answer the question how can you invoke initclt so that the pre-stop section is executed.
[13:14] <ion> If the job has stopped successfully, the pre-stop part has been executed.
[13:14] <anymous> ok, just do "stop rcS" it does nothing but print "stop: Unknown instance:"
[13:14] <ion> Yes, it’s not running.
[13:14] <anymous> arg, so the post-script is never executed and thus quite superfluous, no?
[13:15] <anymous> IOW you cannot have a task that defines a stop action.
[13:15] <ion> The post-stop script has been executed when job stopped.
[13:16] <anymous> i don't think so
[13:16] <ion> If you’re sure about that, please file a bug report. But i’m somewhat skeptical, since the unit tests should have caught that long before such a bug ever made it into the Ubuntu archive.
[13:17] <ion> Not to mention that such a bug would probably result in a non-booting system.
[13:17] <anymous> hm, so how can i invoke the stop action of a task manually?
[13:18] <ion> You don’t really do that directly. You can only tell running tasks to stop, which results in the {pre,post}-stop scripts being executed.
[13:18] <anymous> but only if the status is running.
[13:18] <ion> Sure. How would one stop something that is not running?
[13:18] <anymous> right, you said that.
[13:19] <anymous> ok, my example:
[13:19] <anymous> I have an upstart script that mounts a special directory
[13:20] <anymous> it seems i cannot use stop(8) to invoke the stop action of that job
[13:20] <anymous> because the status after boot of that job is stop/waiting
[13:20] <anymous> although of course the directory is mounted
[13:20] <ion> foo.conf:
[13:21] <ion> pre-start exec mount /foo
[13:21] <ion> post-stop exec umount /foo
[13:21] <ion> No task
[13:21] <anymous> ah! no task, alright, i think i have to try that.
[13:22] <anymous> would it work with  script sections, (script, pre-stop)?
[13:22] <ion> Task means you want everything to run when started, including the {pre,post}-stop scripts at the end.
[13:22] <ion> pre-start script … end script, post-stop script … end script
[13:23] <anymous> thanks for pointing that out, will try it.
[13:24] <ion> Service means your job goes to a certain state (such as directory mounted or daemon running) when started and only does any stop actions when something external causes it to stop.
[13:26] <anymous> does a service not always require a daemon, a running process?
[13:26] <ion> It’s optional
[13:27] <anymous> ok, give me a few reboots...
[13:41] <anymous> no joy, i removed the "task" but still cannot invoke the stop action
[13:43] <ion> What does “status jobname” print? What appears in syslog when you run “start jobname”?
[13:44] <anymous> status: stop/waiting, start gives: start/running, process 2079
[13:45] <mbiebl> anymous: please pastebin your current job file
[13:45] <anymous> not familiar with pastebin :-(
[13:46] <ion> There probably should be no process ID if there’s no main process.
[13:46] <ion> And there shouldn’t be a main process in your job.
[13:46] <anymous> right, theres no process running after the mount
[13:47] <anymous> but i think it's similair to rcS, you can't run "stop rcS"
[13:47] <ion> No, more like apport
[13:48] <mbiebl> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pastebin
[13:48] <anymous> ok, when I do "stop apport" it also gives: stop: Unknown instance:
[13:49] <anymous> mmbiebl: thanks ;)
[13:49] <ion> That’s because you have apport disabled. The structure of the job should be similar nevertheless.
[13:51] <anymous> http://pastebin.com/ZfP8mSAu
[13:52] <ion> Replace ‘script’ with ‘pre-start script’
[13:52] <ion> You don’t want a main process for that job.
[13:53] <ion> Also, there’s a space between ‘runlevel’ and its parameter.
[13:54]  * anymous is correcting
[14:05] <anymous> http://pastebin.com/nxQcu7Vh but still ... status: stop/waiting
[14:06] <anymous> when you enable apport, its status is running after boot?
[14:07] <ion> Yes
[14:07] <anymous> without a process?
[14:08] <ion> Yes
[15:02] <anymous> thanks for you patience, somehow the status of my job (stop/waiting) is wrong after boot, but i've found a workaround for that.
[17:57] <BLZbubba> i like the verbose boot option; but is there a way to have upstart log to a file?  /var/log or /tmp or whatever?
[17:57] <BLZbubba> i am using a console-less machine and it fails to start everything
[17:58] <BLZbubba> after awhile i can start the network by hand and run "init 2"
[17:58] <BLZbubba> but this is not ideal
[18:09] <rawler> has "initctl events" been remove to trace upstart events?
[18:09] <rawler> ergmh, sprinkle the last statement with some grammar, please..
[18:42] <BLZbubba> heh
[18:45] <mbiebl> BLZbubba: w/r/t logging, no there is not
[21:36] <indygreg> is there any workaround for the non-valid PID stuck in the killed state? I think it is bug #406397. i.e. I want to force mark a job as stopped/having no PID