[00:00] <Riddell> lex79: could do, in bzr?
[00:01] <lex79> no, Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/414520
[00:03] <Riddell> lex79: it's missing the KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT export
[00:03] <lex79> oh :(
[00:03] <lex79> sorry
[00:04] <Riddell> lex79: can you fix that and also diff the current ubuntu and your proposed debian directory?
[00:05] <lex79> ok I'll do
[00:11] <lex79> Riddell: there is not KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT in our ktorrent 3.2.2 rules
[00:11] <lex79> so, we should add?
[00:17] <Riddell> lex79: tsk
[00:17] <Riddell> it should be
[00:17] <Riddell> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_ktorrent
[00:17] <Riddell> it's in ktorrent-3.2.1+dfsg.1
[00:18] <lex79> ok
[00:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, what about making the lang-packs depend on kde-l10n?
[00:37] <apachelogger> or make language-selector install it
[00:37] <apachelogger> otherwise one wont get any localized content
[00:38] <apachelogger> someone please revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-firefox-installer
[00:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: I asked arne to do that and I thought he had
[00:44] <apachelogger> doesn't seem like it
[00:44] <apachelogger> at least I didn't have kde-l10n-de installed :S
[00:44] <apachelogger> maybe poke him again? :)
[00:45] <apachelogger> there was again uberfuzz on the german kde translators list since one of the largest german tech magazines complained in a review of KDE 4.3 about the lack of translations, which of course was occuring because the reviewer used jaunty + 4.3 without updated l10n
[01:38] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I think you'll want to install firefox without recommends... otherwise you pull in a bunch of GNOME crap (ex: synaptic, gksu, gnome-app-install, etc.)
[01:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Mysql 5.1 is in Main now, so perhaps making the Amarok packaging not so insane would be good.
[01:40]  * ScottK is currenlty looking at Akonadi.
[01:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Maybe a kubuntu / firefox metapackage?
[01:43] <ryanakca> apachelogger: All the gnome crap comes from the firefox -Depends-> firefox-3.5 -Recommends-> ubufox -Depends-> apturl -> { python, python-central (>= 0.6.11), gconf2, gksu (>= 2.0.0-1ubuntu3), gnome-app-install, gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.14.0-1), python-apt, python-glade2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-gobject, python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-vte (>= 1:0.11.15-4), synaptic}
[01:46] <EagleScreen> a firefox-kubuntu metapackage would be nice
[01:57] <nixternal> getting rid firefox would be nicer :)
[02:01] <ScottK> Make a KDE web browser that doesn't suck.
[02:01] <nixternal> Make a web browser that doesn't suck.
[02:01] <nixternal> there fixed it for you :)
[02:15] <claydoh> why can't konq use whatever webkit bits arora or whatever is using?
[02:16] <ScottK> It's non-trivial.
[02:16]  * ScottK doesn't recall the details.
[02:21]  * claydoh is surprised the ability to add it ala webkitkde wasn't built-in
[02:22] <nixternal> ScottK: install webkit-kde, then set webkit in the file settings of konqi
[02:22] <nixternal> I haven't been impressed with webkit yet that we have, as it doesn't work all that great sometimes
[02:22]  * claydoh is avoiding the khtml vs webkit debate
[02:23] <claydoh> nixternal: I agree there
[02:23]  * claydoh is avoiding the recent developer debate on khtml/webkit rather
[02:23] <nixternal> I am waiting for Chrome to be complete for Linux...sadly those evil Google people probably have the 2nd best browser going right now, could be #1 though
[02:24] <nixternal> Opera is a great browser :)
[02:24] <claydoh> I don't like its look
[02:24] <seele> opera isn't free as in speech
[02:24] <nixternal> me either
[02:24] <claydoh> thats either opera or chrome :)
[02:24] <nixternal> seele: this whole "free as in speech" thing gets to me now...as long as it works that's all I care about, or am starting to care about
[02:25] <seele> isn't it an ubuntu policy to ship only free software?
[02:25] <nixternal> nope
[02:25] <seele> oh. hmm
[02:25] <nixternal> ie. the kernel
[02:25] <seele> opera *is* a great browser
[02:25] <nixternal> the kernel has plenty of non-free bits in it
[02:25] <nixternal> we won't ship non-free applications by default anytime soon I don't think
[02:26] <seele> i think shipping opera is non-free enough to make enough loud people complain
[02:26] <nixternal> without a doubt
[02:30] <ryanakca> imho, having a notice saying "XYZ is non-free, blah blah, do you really want to install it. Ubuntu hasn't reviewed it, etc, etc." when installing something non-free should suffice. If you don't like it, don't install it. Let those who want to install it...
[02:31] <ryanakca> s/\.\.\.$/ install it.../
[03:55] <EagleScreen> should Debian Sid debbotstrap and cdebootstrap know about karmic dist?
[03:56] <EagleScreen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/254880/
[08:43] <micmord> bug 415191, can someone confirm/solve this? Thanks.
[09:19] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is the plan, that is why it currently installs firefox :P
[09:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 415191 is what you were looking at for akonadi?
[09:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: bunzip2 amarok*bz2; lzma -9 *tar .... just for the record, that is what ought to be done for recompressing bz2 to lzma :P
[09:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: if the mysql packaging was allowing for sensible use by amarok ...
[09:27] <apachelogger> needs mysql-data-5.1 containing the share crap, since that is the only stuff amarok needs at runtime
[10:39] <Riddell> nixternal: it's very much ubuntu policy to ship only free software
[10:39] <Riddell> the only exception is for hardware enablement since free software is no use if you have nothing to run it on
[10:45]  * apachelogger hugs icrecream
[10:46]  * jussi01 steals apachelogger's icecream
[10:46] <Mamarok> jussi01: me!
[10:46]  * apachelogger asks the scheduler to restart :P
[10:46] <Mamarok> hm, ccache will have to do for now :(
[10:46]  * jussi01 is grumbly. can someone test/confirm my bug now?
[10:47] <apachelogger> Mamarok: markey and you should cluster up
[10:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: hm, we should use one of the old computers lying around here and use it as a server, but the only decent one is the msi...
[10:49] <apachelogger> well, even a cluster with slow nodes is probably faster than the faster node on its own
[10:51] <apachelogger> in my experience if you have a halfway decent machine in the pool and build on a somewhat slower, the linking will take more time than the actual build ;-)
[10:52] <markey> gold ftw
[10:54] <apachelogger> markey: is it really faster?
[10:54] <apachelogger> like, noticable
[10:55] <markey> seems faster to me
[10:56] <markey> and really painless too, install package, done
[10:59] <markey> dented this the other day:
[10:59] <markey> "ext4 + gold linker + ccache makes for very nice compile speed. full rebuild of amarok with clean build dir, two cores (-j3): 2m9.444s"
[11:03] <markey> oh btw, kde always gets stuck on logout, on karmic
[11:03] <markey> I guess that's known
[11:05] <smarter> I heard some guy with a heavy linked app went from 8 hours to 40 minutes using gold
[11:10] <apachelogger> markey: now imagine ssd in that mix :D
[11:12] <smarter> and quad core :p
[11:13] <apachelogger> wouldn't help much since ccache is in the mix :P
[11:30] <apachelogger> seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kubuntu-firefox-installer2.ogv
[11:32] <apachelogger> lol, my netbook builds amarok in 7m46s
[11:44] <seaLne> w00t after 2 months of no sound my AD198x is now detected again in karmic \o/
[14:04] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Could you give me a ping when you get around to reviewing that Contributor Agreement please? According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development , I can't contribute to ubiquity if I don't sign it, but imho, the agreement is rather vague and point 5 is just wierd... "I will execute any documents and perform any acts that Canonical requests from time to time [...]". But then, it might just be my lack of legal ...
[14:04] <ryanakca> ... education that's causing the alarm bells to go off in my head.
[14:14] <fox__> привет всем
[14:14] <fox__> есть кто из русских
[14:15] <ryanakca> Hi fox__
[14:15] <ryanakca> !ru | fox__
[14:16] <fox__> я не могу там зарегится
[14:16] <cbr> a u tebja nickname registrirovali?
[14:17] <fox__> я ввожу его, и не ргится
[14:17] <cbr> mhmh... nje ponimaju :)
[14:18] <fox__> ne mogu zregistririvatsa
[14:18] <cbr> pochemu?
[14:18] <fox__> a fig ego znaet
[14:18] <fox__> kak tam nado
[14:23] <cbr> uhm, net nado registrirovat, reshim +R net sto ja dumal
[14:24] <fox__>    /msg fox register <password> <email>  kuda eto pisat
[14:24] <cbr> ja dumaju sto eta nje nado
[14:24] <fox__> a kak
[14:24] <cbr> to pishesh eta sdjes
[14:25] <cbr>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[14:25] <fox__> 506 #ubuntu-ru Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel
[14:25] <cbr> aha
[14:25] <fox__> &
[14:25] <fox__> ?
[14:26] <cbr> Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[14:26] <cbr>   /msg NickServ REGISTER bar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:26] <fox__> hmm
[14:26] <cbr> tõ pishes /msg nickserv register tvoiparol tvoiepotshta
[14:26] <fox__> now poprobuy
[14:27] <cbr> i posle etovo /msg nickserv identify tvoiparol
[14:32] <fox__> sps vse prochlo
[14:34] <cbr> poshalusta
[14:53] <MsMaco> cbr: what's ponimaju? sounds familiar...
[14:53] <cbr> understand
[14:53] <MsMaco> ooo ok
[14:54] <MsMaco> yeah i think i probably said ne ponimaju a lot at one point then...
[14:54] <cbr> my russian is shabby :p
[14:55] <MsMaco> its been 3 years since i studied it...and i only studied it for a year...so mine's certainly worse
[14:55] <cbr> it's been 2 years since i studied it and i studied it for 7 years
[14:55] <cbr> but i'm still no good at it :p
[15:03] <fabo_> Riddell: ping
[15:13] <Riddell> hi fabo
[15:16] <fabo> Riddell: adenilson replied about googledata. he'll fix the issue asap. he wants to know if he needs to roll out a new release tarball ?
[15:19] <Riddell> fabo: I'm happy enough that it's in upstream SVN (Debian ftpmasters may vary I guess)
[15:21] <fabo> fine, no need to do another release for this quick fix. I upload -2 to Debian, inform ftpmasters and ask to adenilson the related commit. thks.
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[15:32] <Riddell> hello JontheEchidna
[15:46] <Riddell> _Sime: http://www.pyside.org/  !
[15:47] <_Sime> Riddell: dude, that is sooo 30 minutes ago.
[15:51] <nixternal> wow, that is insane
[15:51] <nixternal> don't know if it is good or bad
[15:53] <Riddell> mm, agree
[15:54] <nixternal> ahh, the openbossa peeps are behind it
[15:54] <nixternal> would have been good if they worked with riverbank on pyqt, as i think it might be a bit late to toss another binding in the pool and have it super successful, or the defacto standard
[15:55] <nixternal> and...it seems to have Nokia backing and funding
[15:58] <Riddell> if Nokia wanted LGPL bindings I'm not sure why they didn't just throw some money at the riverbank guy
[15:58] <nixternal> exactly
[15:58] <nixternal> maybe he didn't go to Nokia and these guys did?
[16:00] <_Sime> Riddell: it sounds like they tried to reach some kind of agreement.
[16:00] <nixternal> ya, I read that
[16:00] <nixternal> seeing as openbossa has been working with nokia for a bit, that is probably how it all started
[16:01] <nixternal> PySide has better API docs for sure :)
[16:02] <nixternal> more noob friendly
[16:13] <EagleScreen> hi
[16:14] <EagleScreen> how is possible that jaunty to be unknown suit for debootstrap 1.0.15? http://paste.ubuntu.com/255189/
[16:22] <Riddell> EagleScreen: no debootstrap experts here I fear, you may have to ask elsewhere
[16:23] <EagleScreen> Riddell: my problem is that my pbuilder is using cdebootstrap, not debootstrap, and cdebootstrap does not know about jaunty and karmic
[18:01] <fox>  /msg nickserv register 123456<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:07] <lex79> Riddell: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/394059/pkg-kde-tools_0.4.11ubuntu3.debdiff
[18:08] <lex79> JontheEchidna: o/
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> \o
[18:08] <apachelogger> can we haz bzr branch for pkg-kde-tools?
[18:10] <lex79> apachelogger: hi :) can you check my debdiff? now Debian uses "include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/debhelper/kde.mk" so I think we should add "kubuntu-desktop-i18n/kubuntu.mk" in debhelper/kde.mk
[18:11] <apachelogger> lex79: they are what?
[18:12] <lex79> uhm ?
[18:13] <apachelogger> I don't understand what you  meant by debian uses kde.mk
[18:13] <apachelogger> are they using it all over the place or something?
[18:14] <lex79> see pkg-kde-tools 0.4.11, there are two folder now, makefile/1/cdbs and makefile/1/debhelper, and Debian team now uses kde.mk from makefile/1/debhelper to build package
[18:15] <lex79> kubuntu-desktop-i18n/kubuntu.mk is define only in makefile/1/cdbs/kde.mk and not in makefile/1/debhelper/kde.mk
[18:16] <lex79> rules of ktorrent for example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255247/
[18:16] <lex79> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_ktorrent
[18:16] <lex79> has no effects because is not define in /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/debhelper/kde.mk
[18:17] <apachelogger> ehm
[18:17] <apachelogger> not that I am up-to-date
[18:17] <apachelogger> but isn't only universe stuff supposed to use kde.mk?
[18:18] <apachelogger> AFAIK only debian-qt-kde.mk includes the i18n magic
[18:19] <apachelogger> or maybe not :D
[18:20] <lex79> no, also makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk uses i18n
[19:05] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: no problem, i needed a kubuntu person and yours was the first mail in the browser completion
[19:06] <wstephenson> so i am looking for nightly builds of knetworkmanager in a PPA or something
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> I could throw up daily (or at least every-other-daily) snapshots in the experimental repo
[19:07] <wstephenson> if nobody is doing that already i could do that myself.  i would do it in the OBS but i don't think our jaunty, edgy etc builds will have kde 4.3 packages to build against.
[19:07] <wstephenson> every 2 days would be fine
[19:08] <wstephenson> yesterday some poor dude got back to my needinfo 2 weeks later with a load of really detailed debug -  using kubuntu packages from july 27 :/
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lp:~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/nightly
[20:11] <apachelogger> you really just need to exchange the packaging and change the values in the script to fit the different usecase
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu-firefox-installer: fullscreen or not?
[20:11] <apachelogger> it's install vs. exit, so I for one think that fullscreen makes sense ... looks way better that way ;-)
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> what is kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kubuntu-firefox-installer2.ogv
[20:13] <apachelogger> as suggested by seele in the last meeting
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, I missed that one
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should read up on the minutes
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> and/or IRC logs
[20:15] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:15] <apachelogger> it's http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot2.png or http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot3.png
[20:16] <apachelogger> I for one think that that ubiquity theme looks way more sensible in fullscreen, and I can't think of a real benefit of having it not fullscreened
[20:17] <smarter> Quick note: for old/low-end netbooks(like the eee 701), Firefox is really unusable(at least if you wanna multitask), so a quick note about it being a bit heavy-weight would be appreciated
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> fullscreen++
[20:17] <apachelogger> smarter: we are thinking about making it default :P
[20:17] <smarter> meh
[20:17] <smarter> Arora ftw :p
[20:18] <apachelogger> I have been told arora is heavier than firefox
[20:18] <smarter> fullscreen gets in the way of the user, he wants to browse the web, not anwser your question, even if you use a fancy(and non-standard :P) theme
[20:18] <smarter> well, my eee certainly doesn't think so
[20:18] <apachelogger> smarter: I don't ask a question :P
[20:18] <apachelogger> just offer a choice
[20:18] <apachelogger> take it or leave it
[20:19] <apachelogger> latter is quite litterally, though the former will eventually imply the latter since the installer replaces itself with package-install ;-)
[20:19] <apachelogger> install-package even
[20:20] <smarter> still, it forces the user to think, which is bad :]
[20:20] <smarter> I think this is a bad solution for a real problem: KPackageKit sucks atm
[20:21] <apachelogger> not necessarily, whatever he does, he will end up on his desktop :P
[20:21] <apachelogger> ...also, since the user has to start the installer
[20:21] <apachelogger> ...
[20:21] <smarter> if it was better, someone we would lookup for Firefox would end up installing it using KPackageKit, without us having to do it for him
[20:21] <apachelogger> no
[20:22] <apachelogger> for that they first need to understand a whole lot things about linux
[20:22] <apachelogger> a) no exe download b) package manager c) package manager gui
[20:22] <apachelogger> possibly more
[20:23] <smarter> which is another problem: we need a "tour" to let the user discover that(that's been bothering me for a long time)
[20:23] <smarter> the "welcome" plasmoid could help, if it actually did anything :p
[20:23] <SiDi> Hello people
[20:23]  * apachelogger giggles about the welcome plasmoid
[20:24] <apachelogger> it is a bit like duke nukem :D
[20:24] <apachelogger> hola SiDi
[20:24] <smarter> afaik, the Kubuntu Doc is in quiet good shape, but it's completely invisible to users
[20:24] <smarter> not to mention khelpcenter sucks
[20:24] <SiDi> i've got a purely philosophical questions for you. How do you Kubuntu developers keep in touch with what happens in Ubuntu Foundations, and how do you anticipate changes in Ubuntu's core, if you do ?
[20:25] <smarter> SiDi: well, we're subscribed to the main Ubuntu development mailing lists and connected to the main Ubuntu development IRC channels, so if people communicate enough about their changes, we usually know
[20:26] <jjesse> plus there are kubuntu devs that are memebers of the foundations team
[20:26] <SiDi> okies
[20:26] <smarter> and there's regular meetings in real life with presentations which help see what everyone is doing
[20:26] <smarter> plus the planet
[20:26] <SiDi> I'm coming from #xubuntu, and we noticed that we tended to learn things after they were done :)
[20:27] <smarter> well, we do too sometimes :]
[20:27] <SiDi> So, ubuntu-announce and ubuntu-devel are compulsory steps.
[20:27] <SiDi> Are there other mailing lists we should watch ?
[20:28]  * apachelogger notes that -announce is heavily underused considering its main usecase
[20:30] <SiDi> Something else. Do you guys think there is a way for us to be informed about what is planned in the foundations and desktop teams before everything is released to public ? We dont have many people so when we need to do something we usually need a lot of time :/
[20:30] <jjesse> wo is "we"
[20:31] <jjesse> meant who is "we"
[20:32] <SiDi> Xubuntu
[20:33] <apachelogger> SiDi: bitch and moan about the lack of pre-change information
[20:33] <apachelogger> b'n'm usually works for me very well :)
[20:34] <jjesse> and you are quite good at it
[20:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, smarter: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-firefox-installer revu plz
[20:34]  * apachelogger removes margin since it looks weird on full-wide-screen
[20:34] <SiDi> apachelogger: ok, that's more or less what the xubuntu devs already do, but it doesnt seem to have much impact :D
[20:35] <apachelogger> well, you have to do it out in the open, so that everyone who possibly contributes to the lack of information reads about it
[20:35] <apachelogger> and gets this certain feeling of anger that most of the time results in bettering oneself
[20:36] <SiDi> or they can also find that these xfce guys are very noisy and annoying :d
[20:36] <apachelogger> you certainly can't be more noisy and annoying than me :P
[20:38] <SiDi> alright, we're safe then :P
[20:41] <smarter> apachelogger: heh, nice attempt to push korondum scripts into the default install :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> smarter: they are in the default install
[20:46] <apachelogger> due to plama script stuff
[20:46] <smarter> yep, but nothing actually uses it
[20:46] <apachelogger> well, kfi does :P
[20:47] <smarter> are all the fancy graphisms from the Installer?
[20:48] <Riddell> lex79: adding kubuntu.mk seems like a good idea assuming it works, you've tested it?
[20:49] <apachelogger> smarter: yup, it actually uses a copy and changes some stuff via patches
[20:49] <lex79> Riddell: yes I tested it and woks :)
[20:50] <smarter> that screams for a common package
[20:50] <apachelogger> smarter: I'd agree if there was a thrid app ;-)
[20:50] <smarter> apachelogger: language-selector-qt could benefit from being sexier
[20:50] <apachelogger> aye
[20:50] <apachelogger> it could also use some usability
[20:51] <smarter> Conflicts: firefox, firefox-3.0 , firefox-3.5
[20:51] <apachelogger> everytime I use it I feel like fighting
[20:51] <smarter> What happens when you upgrade to 9.10, get that package and have firefox already installed?
[20:51] <smarter> apachelogger: yep
[20:51] <smarter> no point in separating the download/install and setup thing
[20:53] <apachelogger> smarter: didn't try yet,  I suppose we either need to special case it in update-manager or make those 3 packages conflict+replace kfi since conflict+replace should always overrule conflict I suppose
[20:53] <smarter> meh, special cases suck
[20:54] <smarter> oh, machine-readable copyright format, never used it before, has it finally been integrated into the spec?
[20:54] <apachelogger> nope
[20:54] <apachelogger> though I for one find it even more human-readable
[20:54] <apachelogger> mostly because it follows a clear structure :)
[20:55] <Gon> hey
[20:55] <Gon> D:
[20:55] <Gon> last karmic update has broken mysql-server D:
[20:56] <smarter> apachelogger: couldn't we have a kubuntu-firefox package that Depends: kfi | firefox | firefox-bla ?
[20:56] <smarter> Gon: they just switched from 5.0 to 5.1
[20:56] <Gon> yes, but, if i want to install 5.1
[20:56] <apachelogger> smarter: more like kubuntu-firefox that gets installed by kfi
[20:57] <Gon> breaks akonadi, kaddressbook, ...
[20:57] <smarter> I guess some rebuilds await us
[20:57] <smarter> apachelogger: yay, makes more sense
[20:57] <smarter> so, I'll let you do that :p
[20:58] <apachelogger> branding firefox
[20:58]  * apachelogger shudders
[20:58] <apachelogger> I'll probably go as far as adding my oxygen theme :P
[20:59] <Gon> sudo aptitude remove mysql-server-5.0
[20:59] <Gon> Se ELIMINARÁN los siguientes paquetes:
[20:59] <Gon>   akonadi-server{a} kaddressbook{a} kdebase-workspace-bin{a} kdebase-workspace-data{u} korganizer{a} kubuntu-desktop{a} libxklavier15{u}
[20:59] <Gon>   mysql-server-core-5.0 plasma-widgets-workspace{a}
[20:59] <Gon> some packages has 5.0 as dependency
[21:00] <smarter> apachelogger: has it been updated for 3.5?
[21:00] <smarter> Gon: they need to be rebuild with 5.1
[21:00] <apachelogger> smarter: yes, not released yet though
[21:00] <smarter> ok
[21:01] <apachelogger> next version will be done with all revised scripts, that multiple-icons-in-one-file approach cracks me up
[21:01] <apachelogger> already got a simple script that magicks oxygen icons into a one-file structure
[21:01] <apachelogger> anyway
[21:01] <apachelogger> smarter: if you want to test http://aplg.kollide.net/install.html
[21:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^ as well
[21:02] <smarter> looks good
[21:03] <smarter> apparently it changed the font size of the UI text, is that intended?
[21:03] <apachelogger> yep
[21:04] <apachelogger> ds packages should overrule whatever the stylesheet does IMHO
[21:04] <apachelogger> for that matter, the ubiquity sheet should be changed to use relative font size shifts rather than defining absolute values
[21:05] <apachelogger> that way fonts would be bigger where needed, relative to the default-settings
[21:06] <apachelogger> smarter: or are you talking about firefox? ;-)
[21:06] <SiDi> apachelogger: are you talkin about the ubiquity slideshow ?
[21:06] <apachelogger> slideshow?
[21:06] <apachelogger> SiDi: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot044.png
[21:07] <apachelogger> about that
[21:07] <smarter> apachelogger: I am :p
[21:07] <SiDi> apachelogger: oh ok
[21:07] <apachelogger> smarter: lemme see
[21:07] <apachelogger> smarter: not intent
[21:08] <apachelogger> at least I don't have a patch for that
[21:08] <smarter> well, maybe I'm just imagining things :p
[21:08] <apachelogger> smarter: maybe the font size depends on the icon size ... since KDE uses 22 where GNOME would use 24px it is possible that the font size got resized automagically :D
[21:08] <apachelogger> that would my only guess
[21:09] <smarter> heh, that's possible
[21:09] <smarter> how do you choose the font size? Hard code to 22?
[21:09] <apachelogger> firefox is themed via css, so yes, I suppose one could hardcode it
[21:09] <apachelogger> but I was talking about icons ;-)
[21:10] <smarter> I mean icon size
[21:10] <apachelogger> I don't
[21:10]  * smarter is kinda tired :p
[21:10] <apachelogger> firefox just uses what it gets
[21:12] <smarter> the "Customize Toolbar" window has the "Restore Default Settings" button cut because it goes past the right border of the window
[21:12] <smarter> I guess that's a qtcurve bug
[21:13] <apachelogger> yep
[21:13] <apachelogger> possibly firefox
[21:14] <apachelogger> that happens when you don't layout your widget :P
[21:14] <apachelogger> grids ftw!
[21:15] <smarter> yep
[21:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thanks :)
[21:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you better give feedback :P
[21:18] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[21:18] <Nightrose> after i had food
[21:20]  * apachelogger uploads amarok without internal mysql stuff
[21:20] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:20] <apachelogger> this will cause a horrible break
[21:35] <apachelogger> smarter: so, do I have a go for kfi?
[21:36] <smarter> well, as I said, adding a dummy package to depend on the actual installer OR firefox-* would be better than a Conflicts
[21:37] <apachelogger> yeah, that needs to be sorted later though
[21:37] <apachelogger> I just want it in main for starters :D
[21:37] <smarter> maybe you could just remove the conflicts and add the Depends line when we get to do a kubuntu-firefox
[21:38] <apachelogger> smarter: could do, but otherwise the worst that could happen is that firefox gets removed, which can be easily reinstalled anyay ;-)
[21:38] <apachelogger> which of course would force karmic tests into giving feedback
[21:38] <apachelogger> which is not necessarily a bad thing I suppose
[21:39] <smarter> heh, that's a bit machiavelic :p
[21:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: how will that cause a break?
[21:39] <smarter> as long as that gets sorted, +1 from me, do you want an ACK?
[21:40] <apachelogger> please
[21:40] <smarter> 'kay
[21:40] <EagleScreen> i think it should be called firefox-kubuntu, people will look for packages starting with 'firefox' to isntall firefox
[21:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: kfi conflicts firefox, firefox-3.0, firefox-3.5, so our expectation is that update-manager will nuke firefox* in favor of kubuntu-firefox-installer
[21:40] <apachelogger> if already installed that is
[21:41] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: right, just that it is neither firefox-kubuntu nor kubuntu-firefox
[21:41] <smarter> REVU says "#  The GNU General Public License is mentioned in debian/copyright but there seems to be no copy of it included in the source tarball, which is a requirement for it. (Note: The file may be there but have an uncommon name; please double-check before trusting this warning)."
[21:41] <apachelogger> don't trust revu
[21:42] <apachelogger> very poor license finding I must say
[21:42] <smarter> oh, yep, the files are in there, good job ;)
[21:43] <smarter> hmm, it looks like I don't have REVU powerz
[21:44] <smarter> which is weird since I'm pretty sure I did the merge account thing a while ago and reviewed packages
[21:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: neon trunk is as good as it will get ... I'll branch and start 100% refactor in which I'll drop multi-distro support and publisher support (i.e. pushing the tarballs via ftp or file moves to some webserving location for download, which IMHO is completely pointless and thus was never used)
[21:45] <apachelogger> unless you think they are useful of course :D
[21:46] <apachelogger> smarter: you should poke someone in the eye I suppose :)
[21:46] <claydoh> is it possible to have a kde3 app (kmymoney via my ppa) have its help/docs in kde4's help center?
[21:46] <apachelogger> but, revu buttons now look like buttons in konqueror
[21:46] <apachelogger> which IMHO is much more important than actually being able to revu :P
[21:46] <apachelogger> claydoh: should be by default
[21:47] <claydoh> so my paths must be wrong then :)
[21:47] <apachelogger> possibly
[21:47] <apachelogger> our KDE 4 shares the doc path with KDE 3, so KDE 3 apps should show up in KHC
[21:47] <apachelogger> unless you don't use CDBS and screwed up or the desktop file doesn't actually contain the necessary entry to make it show up in KHC
[21:48] <smarter> bah, I'm off to bed, I'll dig into REVU doc tomorrow
[21:48] <smarter> 'night
[21:48] <apachelogger> smarter: nini
[21:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: btw, do you want to write some sensible description for the kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[21:48] <claydoh> apachelogger: that's probably it
[21:48] <claydoh> apachelogger: sensible?
[21:49] <claydoh> :)
[21:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you deserve lots of cookies you know that right?
[21:53] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact, I do, everyone else just doesn't seem to know ;-)
[21:54] <Nightrose> haha
[21:54] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, more sensible that what I use now ;-)
[21:54] <apachelogger> s/that/than
[21:58] <claydoh> apachelogger:  wher's yours?
[21:59] <apachelogger> "Firefox delivers safe, easy web browsing. A familiar user interface, enhanced security features including protection from online identity theft, and integrated search let you get the most out of the web."
[21:59] <apachelogger> as seen here http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot2.png
[22:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can't install your theme - not compatible with my ff version :(
[22:01] <apachelogger> only works with 3.5
[22:01] <apachelogger> what are you using?
[22:04] <Nightrose> 3.0.13
[22:04] <Nightrose> afraid to upgrade because of extensions
[22:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: then you can obtain the theme from addons.mozilla.org anyway :P
[22:04] <Nightrose> ah i have that one...
[22:04] <Nightrose> thought is was an improved version
[22:06] <apachelogger> well, it is, but only for 3.5 :P
[22:06] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:09] <claydoh> apachelogger: Firefox is the popular, award-winning web browser that is used by millions for it's ease of use, security features and many available addons. It provides a familiar user interface and a rich, safe browsing experience.
[22:09] <ghostcube> -_- damn rc6 isnt working as expected grml
[22:10] <apachelogger> is that clear enough why one would want to have firefox?
[22:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: please take a look at kubuntu-firefox-installer in new, cuddles, hugs and thanks :)
[22:11] <claydoh> apachelogger: well it sounds nice :)
[22:11] <apachelogger> no doubt on that :D
[22:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: firefox-installer.png is not GPL
[22:24] <ryanakca> maybe "Firefox is the popular, award-winning web browser used by millions for it's {simplicity,ease of use}, security features and many available addons. <ETC>"? Anyways, the 'that is' seems redundant imho
[22:29] <claydoh> ryanakca: I agree
[22:30] <apachelogger> there comes the headache
[22:31] <apachelogger> jeez
[22:31] <apachelogger> "Mozilla does not grant you any rights to the Mozilla and Firefox trademarks or logos"
[22:32] <apachelogger> ...http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html...
[22:32] <apachelogger> unaltered binary (if we assume that the icon is an affected binary) - check
[22:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose I should just mention that it is a registred trademark of mozilla and provide a URL to further information?
[22:40] <apachelogger> because, as I see it, since it is a ® anyway, it is not covered by the MPL
[22:45] <claydoh> another lame packaging question: using cmake for a kde3 app, any gotchas I may need to look for and learn to overcome?
[22:45] <claydoh> kmymoney2 is releasing 1.0 tomorrow
[22:45] <claydoh> haven't tried using cmake to build it in a long while
[22:47]  * apachelogger likes how the firefox-3.5 copyright doesn't say anything about the logo and/or the trademark even though it is redistributed via the debian directory
[22:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255400/
[22:54] <apachelogger> maybe we should just use the unoffical branding :P
[22:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: that'll end up in multiverse as it is
[22:59] <apachelogger> yay
[23:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll use the unoffical branding for now
[23:00] <apachelogger> The default logos in CVS which are built into Firefox and Thunderbird by default (i.e. the globe without the fox, and the original blue bird) are explicitly not protected as Mozilla trademarks. The files themselves are available under the mozilla.org tri-license; you can do anything you like with them under those terms.
[23:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255414/ for mentioned globe without fox icon
[23:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: that looks fine
[23:16] <apachelogger> ok, uploading new version then
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: in new again
[23:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose asac would be the person to poke about the trademarks stuff?
[23:23] <lex79> Riddell: launchpad bug 414520
[23:23] <lex79> or apachelogger :P
[23:27] <apachelogger> lex79: kubuntu_02_qt_phonon.diff was applied upstream?
[23:29] <lex79> apachelogger: changelog says: Add patch debian/qt_4.5.2-1_phonon_ftbfs_fix  which workarounds a FTBFS against Qt 4.5.2-1 (Closes: #537023).
[23:30] <lex79> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537023
[23:32] <apachelogger> well
[23:32] <apachelogger>     - Add debian/patches, debian/patches/series, and
[23:32] <apachelogger>       debian/patches/kubuntu_02_qt_phonon.diff since Kubuntu uses the Qt
[23:32] <apachelogger>       Phonon instead of KDE Phonon
[23:32] <apachelogger> I am not sure those 2 patches really try to kill the same problem
[23:34] <apachelogger> if the FTBFS modestas was fixing also got fixed by ScottK, I am wondering why former only fixed it in 3.2.3 and latter in 3.2.2 ... so I would conclude that kubuntu_02_qt_phonon.diff aint got anything todo with the other one
[23:34] <apachelogger> I might be wrong, but sure would like that to be investigated ;-)
[23:37] <lex79> apachelogger: btw should I add kubuntu_02_qt_phonon ? is it still need? I dropped libphonon-dev to ensure build against libqt4-phonon-dev
[23:37] <lex79> wrong? :)
[23:38] <apachelogger> well, I don't know since ScottK poorly documented the patch :P
[23:38] <lex79> yeah :)
[23:39] <apachelogger> lex79: ask ScottK, if his change indeed fixed the same FTBFS modestas fixed for 3.2.3 then we can happily leave it out
[23:39] <Riddell> compile it and see surely
[23:44]  * apachelogger would hope that lex79 already did that :)
[23:44] <lex79> uhmmm
[23:44] <lex79> :P
[23:54] <lex79> apachelogger: build fine with ScottK's patch
[23:56] <ryanakca> apachelogger: That a DEP-5 copyright file? Not that it matters, a kubuntu firefox installer will never get into Debian, but last I heard there was a boycott against it, DDs refusing to sponsor packages with it, etc.
[23:56] <lex79> now try building without any patches :P


[01:26] <cjwatson> hadess: ah, thinking about it, I suspect ev is on his way to pycon
[13:14] <hadess> cjwatson: ha, ok
[13:14] <hadess> cjwatson: apparently otto has the code, still waiting...
[14:16] <ev> Hi, and
[14:17] <ev> Indeed I was travelling to Pycon
[14:17] <ev> hadess: If Ken doesn't have them, we may be out of luck. Last I checked, I didn't, but they may be in one of my backups, which will unfortunately be entirely inaccessible to me until next Thursday night.
[14:19] <hadess> ev: sladen seems to have found the original file
[14:19] <ev> Awesome!
[14:19] <hadess> but still didn't upload it
[14:19] <ev> heh
[14:20] <ev> cjwatson: Regarding switching architecture, I'm presuming that will break if repacked debs are needed. I'll convert that into a bug for the installer to check for a matching arch.
[14:32] <ev> cjwatson: Bug 732013 for the arch thing
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732013 in partman-auto "Installer should check the architecture of the existing OS for the reuse option" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732013
[14:32] <cjwatson> ta, no rush
[15:00] <superm1> ev, if the underlying system is is 11.04 or newer, you might need to take into account multiarch too
[15:01] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[19:21] <CarlFK> ev: you here at PyCon?  if so, got a sec to pop over to Chicago A... I could use some preseed help: how do I use the existing partition table?
[19:23] <ev> CarlFK: I'm in the VM summit. Can you elaborate on what you mean by using the existing partition table?
[19:26] <ev> If you mean reusing a Ubuntu install without formatting it, thats now a partman-auto auto partitioning option. I can't recall how possible it is with the recipes offhand, and don't have access to the source right now.
[19:27] <ev> My gut instinct is not very
[19:27] <CarlFK> ev: I don't want it trying to create a new one.  I want it to use /dev/sda2 for /, sda5 for swap
[19:28] <CarlFK> sda5 is marked/mkswap by the maverick install.
[19:33] <cjwatson> unfortunately there's no way to reuse existing partitions in partman recipes
[19:33] <cjwatson> sorry
[19:33] <CarlFK> cjwatson: ah.  that's why I couldn't figure it out.  I feel better now :)
[19:34] <CarlFK> plan: 16 machines, I can do that step by hand 16 times
[23:06] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1424 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.38-6 kernels.
[23:08] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1425 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu22


[05:59] <icey> thanks ddstreet and rafaeldtinoco :)
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:11] <icey> hey rbasak - I have a DMB and/or ~ubuntu-server-dev question that I hope you can help with: The OpenStack packaging is all done through the ~ubuntu-server-dev team git repos on Launchpad, for example: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/python-cinderclient/+git/python-cinderclient/ ; After my recent permission change coming through the OpenStack Package Set, I have upload permissions to these packages, but not to the git repos
[13:11] <icey> that back them. Any thoughts on the best way to resolve this?
[13:12] <rbasak> I think we're facing some legacy from when openstack wasn't split out from ~ubuntu-server-dev
[13:12] <rbasak> Since ~ubuntu-server-dev is a DMB-managed uploader team for the entire server packageset
[13:12] <rbasak> Not just the openstack packageset
[13:13] <icey> that's exactly what I think as well
[13:13] <rbasak> I'm not sure if the openstack packageset is supposed to be a subset of the server packageset or individual packages are generally intended to be in only one of them
[13:13] <rbasak> But I don't suppose that matters
[13:13] <rbasak> Now we have ~ubuntu-openstack-dev
[13:14] <icey> rbasak: it's even more awesome, since I don't think most of the OpenStack package set is in the Server package set :-D
[13:14] <rbasak> So maybe we should change the repository owner of all of those repositories over to ~ubuntu-openstack-dev?
[13:14] <rbasak> You'd all need to update your git URLs
[13:14] <rbasak> In any git repositories you have
[13:14] <rbasak> But after that I think you'd be able to continue as normal
[13:14] <icey> yeah - I think each of the packages would need updating for the d/control as well
[13:14] <icey> I'd hold of fon doing that until the package set is up to date as well
[13:14] <rbasak> Right
[13:15] <icey> coreycb: jamespage: thoughts / for awareness
[13:15] <icey> ^
[13:15] <rbasak> ddstreet: ^ FYI
[13:15] <rbasak> Though this is more about git repositories that are mostly outside DMB management
[13:16] <rbasak> icey: when you want to move them, someone who is a member of both can do it from the Launchpad UI I think, and also there's an API method I can help with if you have a big list. All core devs are a member of both teams.
[13:17] <icey> rbasak: I'm sure I can annoy coreycb into handling that :)
[13:17] <icey> rbasak: may be worth doing it via the API as it is probably 150+ packages
[13:17] <coreycb> rbasak: icey: I'm not opposed to moving the repos. I think we could script it and do it early in ubuntu H.
[13:17] <coreycb> or now I guess
[13:17] <icey> coreycb: well, let's hold off until we actually get the packageset up to date (hopefully this week) :-D
[13:18] <coreycb> ok
[13:21] <rbasak> icey: one possible issue. The set of repositories you want to maintain in ~ubuntu-openstack-dev is entirely up to you. Keep a systemd git repository in there if you want for example and nobody will care. Whatever makes sense for you. However the packageset itself that controls uploads is DMB-managed and there might be the odd package (now or in the future) that is "Openstack" to you but "core"
[13:21] <rbasak> elsewhere in Ubuntu or something like that, causing the DMB to avoid putting that in the packageset.
[13:21] <rbasak> The only impact would be to your workflow
[13:22] <icey> rbasak: for sure - some current examples that I'm thinking of are Ceph, openvswitch :-P
[13:22] <rbasak> But in that sense then, if we consider the set of repositories in ~ubuntu-openstack-dev to be independent of the packageset, there's no need to predicate the change over ownership over the packageset update
[13:22] <rbasak> Yeah ceph and openvswitch are blurry
[13:23] <icey> and libvirt, qemu, etc :-D
[13:23] <icey> anyways, that's a different discussion
[16:37] <jamespage> coreycb, icey I forgot to mention this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/15.2.5-0ubuntu1
[16:37] <jamespage> xnox: ^^ has your beast enablement for s390x as well
[16:38] <coreycb> jamespage: great, thanks
[17:00] <xnox> whoop whoop
[19:26] <linuxr> hi, anyone using the limits system (/etc/security/limits.conf)? I tried to add a limit for the maximum logins of a user, but seems not to be respected in any way..any ideas?
[19:28] <sarnold> linuxr: do you have pam_limits configured for the services where you want it to be enforced?
[19:32] <linuxr> sarnold, no, is this not by default? how would I do this?
[19:32] <sarnold> linuxr: this can show you which services are configured to use it now: grep -r pam_limits /etc/pam.d
[19:34] <linuxr> sarnold, I see this among others: /etc/pam.d/login:session    required   pam_limits.so
[19:34] <linuxr> doesn't this mean the login restriction as in the limits.conf file should be enforced?
[19:36] <sarnold> linuxr: yes, when the user logs in via the login service -- which is basically 'at the console'
[19:36] <sarnold> linuxr: if the users are logging in via sshd or xdm then those services would also need similar lines
[19:37] <linuxr> sarnold, there's a line for ssh indeed: /etc/pam.d/sshd:session    required     pam_limits.so
[19:37] <sarnold> okay, cool, cool
[19:37] <linuxr> only that is doesnt work :/
[19:40] <linuxr> so any way of debugging this?
[19:42] <sarnold> try running a journalctl -f  in one terminal, then try pushing your ssh connections over the limit for the user in question, and see what gets logged
[19:42] <linuxr> wait - it actually works!
[19:42] <sarnold> I've got a lot of extra audit rules installed that you probably don't have, so your logs will look different from mine, but perhaps seeing mine will give you some idea of what you're seeing..
[19:42] <TJ-> linuxr: add debugging. See "man pam_limits" and the 'debug' option
[19:43] <linuxr> when I try to connect twice from ssh, the second connection gets closed ("too many logins for user")
[19:43] <sarnold> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5C7wmJm6V5/
[19:43] <linuxr> but when I have a local session for that user and connect via ssh in addition, the ssh connection is accepted
[19:44] <sarnold> that local session for the user, was that session created with a service that uses pam_limits?
[19:44] <linuxr> sarnold, yes, also within the ssh session of another user
[19:44] <linuxr> not a real local tty
[21:08] <mybalzitch> so how come by 18.04.05 install gets the prompt for 20.04.01 but my 20.04 machine doesn't, lol
[21:08] <mybalzitch> also I can't seem to find the changelog for 20.04.01
[21:10] <sarnold> mybalzitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/20.04.1
[21:11] <mybalzitch> argh, thanks sarnold
[21:11] <tomreyn> 20.04 releases wont 'get a prompt', you just install updates and one of them will change the release version number.
[21:11] <mybalzitch> oh okay, that explains that
[21:11] <mybalzitch> thanks you two
[21:12] <sarnold> I'm surprised you got a prompt on your 18.04 system; I thought you weren't going to get one until focal isn't listed in https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[21:12] <tomreyn> sarnold: you're looking at "development"
[21:13] <tomreyn> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release lists 20.04(.1)
[21:13] <sarnold> tomreyn: that's the thing, I thought that items had to be *removed* from this 'devel' list in order to be promoted, and no longer require the do-release-upgrade -d  switch
[21:13] <tomreyn> oh, not that i know of
[21:15] <tomreyn> i think they need to be *listed* (with "supported: 1"?) in meta-release-lts or meta-release (depending on the "Prompt" setting in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades )
[21:16] <tomreyn> but this is probably a little underdocumented, so not sure
[21:17] <sarnold> yes, they certainly need to be listed in those files


[16:34] <maxb> Hello, would anyone be able to help me figure out the right place to report this bug?   Something appears to be wiping out the 'Synaptics Soft Button Areas' setting - despite the line "(**) Option "SoftButtonAreas" "50% 0 82% 0 0 0 0 0"" actually showing up in my Xorg.log
[16:35] <maxb> Any hints as to what might be responsible so I can target a report correctly would be appreciated.
[16:37] <jbicha> maxb: which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[16:41] <maxb> bionic
[16:41] <maxb> Sorry, should have said, this didn't happen on bionic around March, but does now
[16:42] <maxb> I'm not sure quite when it was introduced though
[16:43] <maxb> When I inspect it with xinput list-props, or synclient, all values are set to zero
[16:51] <jbicha> run   ubuntu-bug mutter   to report that issue please
[22:02] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, I filed a few more gnome-initial-setup bugs today
[22:02] <jbicha> and GunnarHJ left a comment on bug 1761578
[22:02] <ubot5`> bug 1761578 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Get more apps offers to install Firefox snap which is already installed" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761578
[22:20] <maxb> jbicha: I think I found the underlying problem: it appears to be a somewhat dubious gsettings change. Setting org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad click-method to 'default' appears to rectify the problem
[22:20] <maxb> Confusingly, 'default' isn't the default, and the default appears to have been changed in a way to disable behaviour without it appearing to have a configuration UI
[22:26] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Do you know anything about that extra translation domain in g-c-c I stumbled upon?
[22:29] <maxb> :q
[22:29] <maxb> oops
[22:33] <tsimonq2> :wq
[22:37] <maxb> Argh. Somehow in fixing that problem, some mystery software component has now started to trample on the Synaptics Click Action property to disable three-fingers to middle-button
[22:41] <jbicha> GunnarHj: it's strange https://paste.debian.net/1019344/ but there's no POTFILES.in so that sort of makes sense
[22:41] <jbicha> see the readme at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/tree/master/panels/datetime/po-timezones
[22:41] <jbicha> we apparently never bothered trying to translate them before in LP
[22:43] <jbicha> it's rare for a package to have more than one gettext domain so I'm more ok with handling that in the packages debian/rules
[22:44] <GunnarHj> jbicha: The timezone locations are in Swedish for me anyway, so I'm not sure there is even a need to translate it. Maybe it's simply obsolete code.
[22:44] <jbicha> I'm sure Debian GNOME will appreciate us not needing to have a dozen extra lines of boilerplate in all our main packages at least :)
[22:45] <GunnarHj> yeah..
[22:45] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I assume it's in Swedish *because* it's translated upstream
[22:46] <GunnarHj> jbicha: But aren't the upstream translations stripped?
[22:46] <jbicha> maybe dh_translations doesn't know about that unusual usage
[22:47] <jbicha> you're welcome to make a patch to delete that sv.po and see what happens when you run it :)
[22:49] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Which sv.po?
[22:49] <GunnarHj> $ dpkg -L gnome-control-center-data | grep .mo$
[22:49] <GunnarHj> $
[22:50] <jbicha> the one in the directory I pointed to above
[22:50] <GunnarHj> Yeah, I realized that once I had asked. But there are no .mo files shipped with the packages AFAICT.
[22:51] <jbicha> 🤷
[22:53] <GunnarHj> jbicha: And not in the langpacks. So it's a bit confusing.
[22:54] <jbicha> strange. Debian does have those files https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gnome-control-center&arch=all&ver=1%3A3.28.0-1&stamp=1521423013&raw=0
[22:56] <GunnarHj> jbicha: That's not so strange. We strip them when building, they don't.
[22:56] <GunnarHj> Can it be that kind of translations which are used to create translations in static files?
[23:00] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Let's ask someone tomorrow. There is possibly a simple explanation.
[23:01] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I checked on Debian and deleted that .mo. The timezones still appear translated
[23:01] <jbicha> so I'm going with the guess that those translations are somehow built into the binary
[23:02] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Me too.
[23:02] <jbicha> if that's true, there's still a bug in that distros don't need to install those .mo files
[23:03] <GunnarHj> Right. In that case, they shouldn't need to be built in the first place.
[23:03] <maxb> (filed bug 1762261 about one half of earlier reported touchpad issues)
[23:03] <ubot5`> bug 1762261 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Bug in Ubuntu patch for synaptics support prevents me configuring my touchpad same as previous Ubuntu releases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762261
[23:39] <jbicha> maxb: oh, that sounds different than it sounded like you were talking about. Both the GNOME 3.28 and Ubuntu 18.04 release notes mention the change in touchpad right-click behavior
[23:39] <jbicha> and recommand that you use GNOME Tweaks if you want the old behavior
[23:46] <maxb> OK, so part of this is on me for not thoroughly reading the release notes, but even if you assume that everyone will do so, the situation remains that previously you *could* configure the gnome desktop to get out of the way and let you set custom stuff, and now you no longer can
[23:51] <maxb> It looks like the Tweaks UI doesn't permit setting click-method='default'


[00:35] <drag0nius> hello
[00:35] <drag0nius> anyone knows some good ajax irc?
[00:36] <drag0nius> *client
[00:55] <arrrghhh> back.  anyone use PS3MediaServer?  trying to get the upstart script to work, and I don't quite understand it.
[00:56] <smoser> hallyn around?
[00:57] <smoser> maybe sgraber is, he peobably knows.
[00:57] <arrrghhh> smoser, are you talking to me...?
[00:58] <smoser> either one. how would i start dnsmasq that lxc runs to specify 'dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,hostname,ip.address'
[00:58] <smoser> arrrghhh, no, was talking to stgraber but yeah, did typo
[00:58] <luigy> anyone can help w/ iptables and openvpn.  I can successfully connect, but need further configurations to be able to access my NFSshare which is hosted on the same machine as my openvpn server
[01:00] <smoser> it loks like the answer is 'edit /etc/init/lxc.conf'
[01:05] <arrrghhh> how about help troubleshooting an upstart script in general?  i can start the program by hand, but the upstart script just says "ps3mediaserver stop/pre-start, process 14131" - and there is no pid 14313
[01:05] <arrrghhh> er
[01:05] <arrrghhh> 14131.   either way.
[02:40] <hallyn> lastlog hallyn 3
[04:31] <drag0nius> hmm
[04:31] <drag0nius> everything on my server is running extremely slow
[04:31] <drag0nius> got 2gb ram c2d 2.4 ghz
[04:32] <drag0nius> usage is ~5% cpu 400 mb ram, but everything is like running on some overloaded machine
[04:33] <drag0nius> any ideas?
[04:34] <lickalott> run top and see whats eating resources
[04:34] <drag0nius> the thing is
[04:35] <drag0nius> there isnt anything
[04:35] <drag0nius> htop tells me usages is ~5% on cpu and ~300 mb on ram
[04:35] <lickalott> there isn't any processes running when you do top
[04:36] <drag0nius> i mean nothing is eating much resources
[04:36] <lickalott> ahh
[04:37] <lickalott> maybe it's network related?  are you running any network intensive apps
[04:37] <drag0nius> dont think so
[04:37] <drag0nius> and im also running it on lan
[04:38] <lickalott> no znc/bncs running
[04:38] <drag0nius> what?
[04:38] <lickalott> k
[04:39] <lickalott> nvm then
[04:39] <lickalott> whats your uptime?
[04:39] <drag0nius> i restarted like hour ago
[04:40] <lickalott> hrmmm
[04:40] <lickalott> netstat -a | grep 80  or any other ports that you have open to apps (ftp, telnet, etc...)
[04:41] <drag0nius> also when i log with putty
[04:41] <drag0nius> theres like 5 sec delay after entering username and receiving password propmpt
[04:42] <lickalott> is that what you're baseing your opinion off of?  or is it slow on the actual machine too?
[04:42] <lickalott> mine slows down also, at times, when using putty
[04:43] <drag0nius> i recently installed ajax app
[04:43] <drag0nius> and its extremely slow
[04:43] <drag0nius> like responding to action after few sec
[04:44] <lickalott> are you scripting or using java intensive apps?
[04:44] <drag0nius> i wrote java app using vaadin
[04:44] <drag0nius> and another one is just some irc client for web
[04:44] <drag0nius> sec
[04:44] <lickalott> java and ajax are resource hogs (usually)
[04:45] <drag0nius> try http://d3calc.drag0nius.pl/
[04:45] <drag0nius> friend told me its extremely slow through internet, locally its simply not as fast ast it could be
[04:46] <drag0nius> first load takes lots of time afaik
[04:47] <drag0nius> im just out of ideas
[04:47] <drag0nius> if you entered it nothing unusual happened
[04:48] <lickalott> yeah that took 4-EVA to load
[04:49] <drag0nius> just had around 1 mb uploaded
[04:49] <drag0nius> min ago
[04:50] <drag0nius> so out of ideas?
[04:51] <drag0nius> seems like it tries to use least resources or something
[04:51] <drag0nius> its lazy xD
[04:52] <lickalott> lol
[04:53] <lickalott> have any ram laying around?  maybe try to feed the beast a little more
[04:53] <drag0nius> it has 2gb of some very fast ram
[04:53] <drag0nius> uses just 320 mb
[04:53] <drag0nius> according to htop
[04:54] <drag0nius> im using server also as a router directly connected to modem
[04:54] <drag0nius> pings are fine and everything
[04:54] <drag0nius> just stuff running directly on it
[04:55] <lickalott> it is recent?
[04:55] <drag0nius> what you mean?
[04:56] <drag0nius> parts, applications?
[05:04] <drag0nius> maybe you know some reasonable web irc client with logging in?
[05:08] <lickalott> i mean is it recent that it started running slow.
[05:09] <lickalott> what do you mean "web irc client with logging in?"
[05:11] <drag0nius> irc client running on ajax preferably
[05:11] <drag0nius> with user accounts, so it would remember history etc
[05:12] <lickalott> i don't.  only 3rd party irc client I know of that's not mainstream is written in python
[05:22] <drag0nius> well i want something that does not require anything but browser
[05:24] <lickalott> mibbitt
[05:25] <drag0nius> does it allow any kind of irc server?
[05:25] <drag0nius> from first glance looked like connecting to just theirs
[05:26] <lickalott> never used it.  it's the only one I know of that's web based
[05:27] <lickalott> see if they have an api and reverse engineer that shit for java...LOL
[05:28] <lickalott> wondering if anyone has seen this issue before:  I have 3 drives mounted through fstab and shared out via NFS through exports.  Im also sharing one of the drive out via apache.  After the apache installation and configuration, I can't "map network drive"(nfs) the one drive that is shared out on apache
[05:31] <drag0nius> yeah, mibbit is banned from both servers i use
[05:51] <Rask> If this is the wrong channel in which to ask this, feel free to redirect me... My experience level is "enough to be dangerous".  :)  I'm trying to recover some data off one drive out of a RAID 1 array using a USB-SATA adapter.  Ubuntu sees it and fdisk -l shows that it has three "Linux raid autodetect" partitions on it.  How would I go about mounting this-- and indeed, is it doable?
[05:54] <lickalott> cd /dev
[05:54] <lickalott> see if you have sdb1 (2, 3) or sdc1 (2, 3) available
[05:55] <lickalott> then just try mounting them to a folder
[05:55] <lickalott> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/test
[05:56] <Rask> mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[05:56] <lickalott> hrmmm
[05:57] <lickalott> wait 1
[05:57] <Rask> Sure.  (Thanks!)
[05:58] <lickalott> mount -t ext2 maybe?
[05:59] <lickalott> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/recovering-data-from-remaining-raid-1-disk-723225/
[05:59] <lickalott> time to go wash my arse.  good luck man
[06:00] <Rask> Thanks, I'll give that a read.
[06:22] <stgraber> smoser: yeah, overriding the upstart job (lxc-net.conf) would do the trick, alternatively, set one of the variables in /etc/default to contain the extra options you want (hackish, but will avoid changing the upstart job)
[06:24] <Rask> lickalott: Just got it mounted.  Thanks for that link.  :D
[08:08] <ogra_> rbasak, seeing your mail to the cross-distro list ... shouldnt you first discuss with dhcp upstream ? they need to make a protocol change for what you ask for ... (or if you want to work around changing the protocol you should explain how you plan that in the bug)
[08:11] <eagles0513875_> hey guys I am looking at the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenProposed and im a bit lost as to the networking portion a bit are there any xen specialists in here?
[08:12] <rbasak> ogra_: DHCP?
[08:12] <rbasak> ogra_: the point is to not use DHCP
[08:13] <ogra_> rbasak, well, DHCP is doing the negotiation of what gets sent on the server side if you use PXE
[08:13] <rbasak> ogra_: no, the pxelinux emulation does
[08:13] <ogra_> you only describe changes to the client side and an option that the server needs to understand
[08:14] <rbasak> The change I've proposed is to U-Boot's pxe emulation only. Nothing else needs to change.
[08:14] <rbasak> Definitely not DHCP
[08:14] <ogra_> buut youo dont describe how the server side is supposed to learn about it
[08:14] <rbasak> It will learn it when U-Boot fetches default.<arch>-<subarch> via TFTP
[08:15] <rbasak> Which I propose it does at the pxelinux emulation stage, before falling back to "default" as normal
[08:16] <ogra_> so how does pxe learn about <arch>-<subarch> *without* making changes to the protocol ?
[08:16] <rbasak> pxe?
[08:16] <rbasak> I don't understand your question
[08:17] <ogra_> well, on the server side *something* needs to decide if it sends an arch specific kernel or the default
[08:17] <rbasak> Forgetting MAAS for a moment to keep this simple, if you're doing things manually you just dump a pxelinux.cfg/default.arm-highbank in your tftp server which refers to a highbank kernel
[08:18] <rbasak> And leave pxelinux.cfg/default for i386/amd64
[08:19] <rbasak> If you want to use a pxelinux.cfg/01-ab-cd-ef-12-34-56-78 to be specific to the MAC, then you need to know the architecture (or pick it up via the existing DHCP mechanism)
[08:19] <ogra_> still, thats done using a defined protocol ... you are proposing changes to that protocol that also should go into the upstream definition of that protocol
[08:19]  * eagles0513875_ wonders what is being discussed here
[08:19] <rbasak> No, it's not done using a defined protocol
[08:19] <rbasak> It's a U-Boot invented emulation
[08:19] <rbasak> pxelinux only exists for Intel and so this is not needed there
[08:19] <ogra_> eagles0513875_, bug 1041092 (and a mail to the cross-distro list about it)
[08:20] <rbasak> I admit that other theoretical pxelinux emulators that work cross-arch will ideally do the same thing
[08:20] <rbasak> This is what I meant by "<arch> and <subarch> must be defined in a new pxelinux emulator namespace"
[08:20] <rbasak> But this change *only* applies to pxelinux *emulators* on non-Intel architectures
[08:20] <rbasak> Which, AFAIK, is only U-Boot currently
[08:21] <ogra_> right, i just think you should make the PXE side "more official" by having such a change made rather globally ....
[08:21] <rbasak> Please, stop calling it PXE. It's pxelinux (if upstream) or pxelinux emulation (if U-Boot)
[08:21] <rbasak> There is no official definition
[08:22] <rbasak> I'd happily try and make it more official, but it doesn't apply to pxelinux upstream. Only to pxelinux emulators
[08:22]  * ogra_ remembers how ultra painful it was to make PPC macs work as thin clients when he did LTSP ... it would have massively helped back then to have such a feature just in the PXE setup
[08:22] <rbasak> (since PXE doesn't exist for ARM)
[08:22] <ogra_> well, PXE is the protocol ... pxelinux uses that protocol
[08:22] <rbasak> No, it does not
[08:22] <rbasak> Well OK, it does
[08:22] <ogra_> or a superset of it :)
[08:22] <rbasak> But I am not proposing any change to the PXE protocol
[08:23] <rbasak> U-Boot does not use any PXE protocol
[08:23] <ogra_> well, it pretends to :)
[08:23] <rbasak> No, it does not
[08:23] <rbasak> It pretends to do what pxelinux does
[08:23] <rbasak> But that part of what pxelinux does is not part of PXE
[08:24] <rbasak> That part is invented by pxelinux as an extension to the syslinux configuration format
[08:24] <rbasak> The only relevant group in its definition is pxelinux/syslinux upstream
[08:25] <rbasak> It is very important here to not conflate the two parts.
[08:28] <ogra_> well, its your project ... i would just think having a properly defined RFC or some such that defines arch specific support in netboot protocols which then get implemented in teh bootloader might be better than hacking up one bootloader specifically ... at least for the long term
[08:29] <rbasak> OK, so you're proposing that I take my proposal and write it up into an RFC?
[08:29] <soren> I'm with rbasak on this. pxelinux.0 is loaded using PXE, but its protocol for finding its boot configuration is a pxelinux thing. I very much see the value in having upstream pxelinux be part of the process of adding this extension, though.
[08:29] <ogra_> i'm just thinking we have an opportunity here to take the lead as MaaS upstream to do it properly
[08:29] <rbasak> I can write to the pxelinux guys and explain what U-Boot is doing, and ask them to hold the master namespace definition.
[08:30] <rbasak> in case there are any other people who want to emulate them
[08:30] <rbasak> on different architectures
[08:30] <rbasak> But I don't expect them to adopt this at all, since it only applies to non-Intel, which they don't do
[08:31] <ogra_> (i dont think what you ask is wrong, i'm fully with you on it ... i just think we should think more globally and fix it for everyone if we start such an initiative)
[08:31] <rbasak> Who is everyone?
[08:31] <rbasak> I'm only aware of U-Boot
[08:31] <ogra_> well, there are hundrets of arm bootloders :)
[08:31] <ogra_> we have linke 5 or so in the archive even
[08:31] <rbasak> Do any of them emulate pxelinux?
[08:32] <soren> a) It's their configuration protocol we're extending. b) What if they ever decide to expand into the non-Intel space?   I think it's important to have them be part of the process.
[08:32] <ogra_> most of tehm can do netbooting one or the other way
[08:32] <rbasak> soren: sure. I have no objection to getting in touch with them.
[08:32] <ogra_> some of them can be scripted to fake PXE like u-boot does
[08:33] <rbasak> Apart from some upstream pxelinux mailing list (which I doubt pxelinux emulator maintainers read!), where else is an appropriate forum, apart from the cross-distro list?
[08:33] <ogra_> (oh, and tehre is always PPC and MIPS too that have their own bootloaders ;) )
[08:35] <ogra_> rbasak, probably start with syslinux upstream and walk up the hierarchy from there, not sure
[08:36] <Kingsy> can someone in here talk to me about atopsar? I have no experience with analyzing load averages andf stuff, so it would be cool if someone could talk through some stuff?
[08:37] <Kingsy> I have been googling but there doesnt seem to be any good tutorials on it, and the manual page is alot to take in
[08:37] <soren> rbasak: hpa seems to be the primary contributor to pxelinux. You could poke him and ask for the best forum for this discussion.
[08:59] <th0mz> does any1 have an idea how to get support for SVG in php5-imagick ? please
[08:59] <th0mz> (Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS")
[09:12] <th0mz> ok found.
[10:03] <jamespage> xnox, the issue you are seeing with duplicate login forms in the dashboard - is that for 12.04/essex or 12.10/folsom
[10:03] <jamespage> ?
[10:03] <jamespage> openstack dashboard that is
[10:05] <xnox> jamespage: the one on canonistack =)
[10:06] <jamespage> xnox, right-oh - essex/12.04 then
[10:08] <eagles0513875_> !openstack
[10:10] <Daviey> xnox / jamespage: when switching to a different region?
[10:10] <jamespage> Daviey, yeah
[10:10] <xnox> Daviey: yes.
[10:11] <Daviey> yeah, i'm getting that aswell.
[10:11] <xnox> Daviey: i filed a bug on launchpad. no screenshots, but you can access it yourself =) ah...
[10:11] <jamespage> Daviey, can you see instances running in the second region?
[10:12] <jamespage> Daviey, bug 1043437 for reference
[10:14] <jamespage> xnox, Daviey: dupe of bug 1033934
[10:32] <Daviey> jamespage: have you fixed it yet?
[10:33] <jamespage> Daviey, hey - I'm just the triage monkey for today! :-)
[10:37] <Daviey> jamespage: Oh well :)
[10:38] <cefege123> how can I configure my vps and namecheap domain, so it works on the internet ( I have 5 domains, and 5 websites, 1 vps)
[10:41] <jamespage> bah - I really hate that bacula/mysql-server all-in-one ordering issue
[10:41] <jamespage> it bites upgrades as well as fresh installs...
[11:24] <jamespage> anyone know what the default network bonding mode is off the top of their heads?
[11:28] <soren> jamespage: none?
[11:28] <jamespage> soren, probably - I missed the "bond-mode 802.3ad" in the provided configuration
[11:28] <jamespage> oops
[11:30] <soren> I mean.. If you don't configure an interface for bonding, it won't have a bonding network mode.
[11:30] <soren> If you do configure it for bonding (i.e. enslave it under a bond device), the default mode is 0 (balance-rr).
[11:45] <patdk-lap> hmm, default bond mode of rr is kind of evil
[11:45] <thierry__> hi everyone ,i'm working on a ubuntu-server image on my pandaboard, i just found out that usb keys are not mounted automatically, and fstab is not updated since the distro is minimal , i was wondering if there is a package that allows solving this problem?
[13:25] <cr3> Daviey: thanks for fix bug #1042906 so quickly!
[13:36] <Daviey> cr3: it was an accident.. i put in a "sleep 7d ; dput *.changes" ... but i mistyped d and put m :(
[13:36] <Daviey> cr3: we have a reputation to keep up.
[13:36] <streulma> hello
[13:36] <Daviey> hello hello, i don't know wy you say hello, say good.
[13:37] <streulma> can I install Ubuntu Server with a proxy server ?
[13:37] <Daviey> You say goodbye and I say hello Hello hello.
[13:37] <Daviey> streulma: Have you tried?
[13:37] <streulma> yes
[13:37] <streulma> but not with the standard installer
[13:38] <Daviey> what installer did you use?
[13:38] <streulma> the standaard ubuntu server installer 12.04
[13:39] <streulma> but
[13:39] <streulma> with setting Expert mode it is possible
[13:40] <streulma> but my install failes when it will install the server
[13:45] <cr3> roaksoax: hi there, any progress on getting the quantal server image to netinstall?
[13:45] <cr3> roaksoax: are you also at the point where the system installs but boots into memtest86? :)
[13:45] <Daviey> cr3: so, i used mini.iso.. with a preseed.. and the kernel installed as expected
[13:46] <cr3> Daviey: mini.iso also has a filesystem.squashfs? does it have a netboot initrd.gz separate from the cdrom install one?
[13:46] <Daviey> cr3: No, i added to the preseed to use a filesystem.squashfs
[13:47] <Daviey> cr3: it's basically the same thing.. miminal image, 20-30MB, and pulls down everything it needs from the interwebs
[13:48] <roaksoax> cr3 not yet will work on it later today
[13:48] <cr3> Daviey: ah, this thing: live-installer/net-image. that's really good to know, where can I find this mini.iso?
[13:48] <cr3> Daviey: could I have a look at your pxelinux.cfg and preseed?
[13:49] <cr3> roaksoax: looks like Daviey did all the progress, curse him and his timezone!
[13:50] <Daviey> cr3: I repacked with, http://pb.daviey.com/pVfb/
[13:50] <roaksoax> Daviey could you pastebin your preseed?
[13:51] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/OLbz/
[13:52] <cr3> Daviey: wait, what? modules=live-installer, I wonder if that was my problem all along :(
[13:52] <Daviey> cr3: the mini.iso doesn't include it by default.
[13:53] <hallyn> utlemming: are you interested in fixing bug 1043582 ?
[14:24] <hex__> hi to all
[14:29] <cr3> roaksoax: when you install the quantal server image, you use initrd.gz, linux and pxelinux.0 from this directory in the image, right? install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[14:30] <roaksoax> cr3 yes and now but cobbler imoorts that and uses it
[14:31] <hex__> Aug 30 16:28:25 hex-SATELLITE-C660 kernel: [68029.901192] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=b8:70:f4:5f:04:10:00:e0:4c:eb:a8:e1:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=107 ID=23340 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=60913 DPT=47248 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0
[14:31] <hex__> this is what I get on ufw
[14:31] <hex__> can anyone help
[14:31] <hex__> ??
[14:34] <cr3> roaksoax: do you happen to know if /boot/vmlinux-* is supposed to be installed come from the filesystem.squashfs or from linux-image-*-generic package in the pool?
[14:35] <cr3> s/installed come from/installed from/ :)
[14:35] <roaksoax> cr3 the linux image should  copied over to the filesystem by live-installer
[14:36]  * roaksoax bbl
[14:47] <hallyn> stgraber: you have fixes queued up for SRU, but do you have any for quantal?  If not i'll push fix for bug 1043582
[15:14] <stgraber> hallyn: I don't have anything queued for quantal. I'd like to drop the lxc-wait from debian/local, but the upstream lxc-wait is kinda broken upstream (not actually doing any waiting) so don't do that until it's fixed upstream ;)
[15:16] <hallyn> stgraber: ubuntu:lxc updated.  I"ll test and push in a bit
[15:18] <hallyn> stgraber: two of those should be SRUd to precise
[15:18] <stgraber> hallyn: when you have a sec, can you look at that lxc-wait bug, my current guess is that I messed up the merge of lxc_wait
[15:19] <hallyn> stgraber: oh, ok.  will do
[15:21] <cr3> Daviey: odd, I installed the contents of daily/current/quantal-server-amd64.iso over the network using your pxelinux.cfg and preseed, but I still get the same outcome: no kernel installed so boots into memtest86
[15:22] <cr3> Daviey: where can I download this mino.iso of yours?
[15:22] <cr3> mini.iso even, mino is probably for fish
[15:24] <hallyn> utlemming: (in case you read yoru backlog - pls ignore my previous comment about userdata;  i've taken the bug)
[15:26] <utlemming> hallyn: okay....the first comment was before I got in. but yes, I'm more than happy to take that bug if you're not attached. I need bugs for fixing.
[15:30] <Daviey> cr3: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[15:40] <cr3> roaksoax: I just had a look at the mini.iso that Daviey seemed to have tested, probably the one from archive, and I really don't see how that could work more than the server image. have you tried both the server iso and the mini one?
[15:41] <hallyn> cr3: you mean the mini iso at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/${release}/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ?
[15:42] <hallyn> i use those freuqently to install generic images, and bootstrap a desktop (apt-get install ubuntu-desktop)
[15:42] <hallyn> have had no problems, but it's been a few weeks
[15:42] <hallyn> but maybe that's not what you're talking about :)
[15:43] <cr3> hallyn: I just discovered it, seems neat! the problem I'm referring to is netinstalling recent quantal server images because of the filesystem.squashfs that was introduced. it looks like my system boots into memtest86 because there's no kernel under /boot/vmlinuz-*
[15:46] <hallyn> ah i see
[15:46] <hallyn> so initramfs on the image needs a squashfs moudle perhaps?
[15:51] <smoser> cr3, you're reporting that the server netboot.iso is hosed?
[15:52] <smoser> thats bad.
[15:52] <hallyn> stgraber: tests pass, pushing to quantal
[15:53] <hallyn> smoser: wasn't something about squashfs and server iamge installs discussed in team mtg a few weeks ago?
[15:55] <cr3> smoser: I don't know what's the problem yet, I just hear that roaksoax is experiencing something similar but Daviey isn't
[15:57] <hallyn> utlemming: well hm.  my proposed fix doesn't seem to be fixing it
[15:58] <hallyn> d'oh, wrong package being tested.  nm
[15:58] <cr3> hallyn: I'm not sure whether the problem is with the initramfs on the image, because the installation seems to complete just fine. I would imagine that there would be a failure mounting the filesystem.squashfs that would interrupt the installation if it were a problem with the missing squashfs module
[15:58] <hallyn> true
[16:00] <cr3> hallyn: emphasis on "seems", of course, because the installation is obviously not fine if it reboots into memtest86 by lack of any installed kernels :)
[16:03] <hallyn> cr3: can you see update-grub running during install?  no errors?
[16:08] <cr3> hallyn: yeah, I even ran it myself during the late_command, and it runs just fine. the problem is that there's no /target/boot/vmlinuz-* file, so update-grub does the right thing and only adds memtest86 to its options
[16:08] <cr3> hallyn: however, I also ran chroot /target dpkg -l 'linux-image-*' at the same moment and the linux-image-*-generic package was installed (ii in the output of dpkg)
[16:09] <hallyn> jinkeys
[16:10] <hallyn> smoser: ^ whose domain would this be, cjwatson?
[16:10] <cr3> hallyn: I'm guessing, and I could be very wrong, that the vmlinuz-* file should be copied from the filesystem.squashfs file but it isn't. I'm also guessing that the dpkg database is also copied from the filesystem.squashfs which is why it's showing that the package is installed even though it's not
[16:10] <hallyn> cr3: can you paste the precise url for the iso you are using?
[16:11] <cr3> hallyn: I'm rsync'ing from rsync://rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-server/daily/current/quantal-server-amd64.iso, and the .disk/info says: Ubuntu-Server 12.10 "Quantal Quetzal" - Alpha amd64 (20120830)
[16:15] <Daviey> cr3: Can you clarify your exact test.. I am confused.. you are using the large iso, but also preseeding?
[16:16] <Daviey> cr3: If you are preseeding, why are you using a remote squashfs?
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> (repost) is there a way to easily find the name of the source package of a given installer package within apt-cache, without me going to packages.u.c to find the source package?
[16:18] <cr3> Daviey: I'm just using the large iso to get a few files from: 1. the initrd.gz, which is the same as on the mini.iso; 2. the linux, also the same; 3. pxelinux.0, which is not on the mini.iso; 4. and the packages that I make available by http
[16:18] <cr3> Daviey: I'm preseeding with the same preseed as you provided, where I only added a like for my workaround: d-i preseed/early_command string mkdir /tmp/live-installer
[16:19] <hallyn> cr3: but to be clear, your installed rootfs has no vmlinuz in /boot right?
[16:20] <hallyn> cr3: bc otherwise i'd assume you're missing one of the files pxelinx needs (i've had trouble with that before)
[16:20] <cr3> hallyn: right, I even checked from grub and no vmlinuz in /boot
[16:21] <hallyn> stgraber: yeah, upsream lxc-wait doesn't have that problem.  i'll dive into the code now :)
[16:21] <Daviey> cr3: i'm doing a respin right now.. which should remove the need for the early_command
[16:21] <cr3> Daviey: for completeness, this is my preseed: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1176188/
[16:22] <cr3> Daviey: thanks, but I doubt this is causing the problem with the missing vmlinuz under /boot. I'm really surprised it works for you, do you have a syslog from the installation that I can try to compare with mine?
[16:23] <cr3> Daviey: since I'm also using the same pxelinux.cfg as you, the debug level should make it possible to more or less diff side by side
[16:23] <cr3> ... after removing the timestamps, of course
[16:24] <Daviey> cr3: i did have one..
[16:24] <Daviey> i can make another
[16:25] <cr3> Daviey: cheers, I'm making another one too so I'm not quite ready yet either. can you email me the file when it's ready, that'd be really appreciated
[16:27] <Daviey> cr3: no, i'm not going to mail you an iso. :)
[16:27] <SpamapS> Daviey: don't judge me (re help2man)
[16:28] <hallyn> stgraber: phew :)  just needed to initialize my_args.timeout to -1.
[16:29] <hallyn> feh
[16:29] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: by installer package, do you mean udeb or something else? Your system's apt-cache won't have the udeb package list I don't think. (or will it?)
[16:29] <cr3> Daviey: the installation syslog!
[16:29] <hallyn> i just deleted bzr/lxc.  but that's the shared repo holding all my various lxc trees.
[16:29] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  i mean by the binary .deb that is built from the source
[16:29] <TheLordOfTime> for example:
[16:29] <TheLordOfTime> the 'nginx' source package is the source package that produces nginx-full
[16:29] <rbasak> OK
[16:29] <TheLordOfTime> if i didn't know that, is there a way outside of going to packages.u.c to find nginx-full's "source" package
[16:30] <rbasak> So "Source" field of "apt-cache show" will give you that
[16:30] <Daviey> cr3: I'll pastebin that.
[16:31] <hallyn> stgraber: i'll stage the fix for upstream lxc in ubuntu:lxc.  If you want to drop debian/local/lxc-wait, i'm good with that
[16:31] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  and if a package doesn't have a Source: field?
[16:31] <TheLordOfTime> then should i assume its a metapackage?
[16:31] <rbasak> I'm not sure, but I've always assumed that without a Source: field the source has the same name
[16:32] <rbasak> eg. the hello package doesn't have a Source: field
[16:32] <rbasak> I haven't found a counterexample but I don't know that it is defined this way either
[16:33] <rbasak> People in #ubuntu-devel may know more.
[16:33] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  i just needed to know if it'd show in apt-cache
[16:33] <hallyn> stgraber: pushed.  (let me know if you want me to just drop our lxc-wait and push;  else i'l lleave it to you)
[16:33] <cr3> Daviey: is that why you have your own pastebin, so that you can upload files that you want to pastebin instead of actually copying and pasting which might be problematic for over 10K lines?
[16:34] <TheLordOfTime> because i'm writing a utility script for me to generate a link to the security team's CVE trackers for source packages, i'm going to tweak that script to grep through the actuasl package's apt-cache info and find the "Source: " field, if the package itself (when tested in the URL search) isnt a source (it'll 404 if that's the case)
[16:34] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  i wasnt sure where to ask, but i know apt-cache is CLI, so... :P
[16:34] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  thanks though :)
[16:35] <Daviey> cr3: I pastebin'd /dev/random before :)
[16:35] <cr3> Daviey: I should introduce you to someone who listened to /dev/random
[16:38] <Daviey> cr3: well, it
[16:38] <Daviey> cr3: well, it's not finished.. but i think there is enough for you there.. http://pb.daviey.com/1HTR/
[16:41] <cr3> Daviey: thanks! by the way, I noticed a step near the end called something like "remove-live-packages" that sounded suspicious, so I would like the whole thing when you got it
[16:42] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: you could use grep-dctrl against http://www.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/{main,universe,...}/source/Sources.gz/bz2 and look for a Binary entry that matches the pacakge you're looking for
[16:42] <rbasak> That would be cleaner I think - rather than relying on your system's apt cache
[16:42] <rbasak> There may be a library that already does this that I'm not aware of though
[16:42] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  true, but this is a Bash script, trying not to have to delve into actual programming :P
[16:42] <TheLordOfTime> trying to make it very simplistic
[16:42] <Daviey> cr3: it is odd that it pulls the kernel down twice.  I suspect it installs the one shipped, then does a dist-upgrade
[16:43] <TheLordOfTime> but if i need to redo it with some other program, i can do so, it'll just take longer :P
[16:43] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  FINALLY YOU APPEAR
[16:43] <TheLordOfTime> you've been disappeared for a WHILE
[16:43] <cr3> Daviey: where do you see it being pulled down? searching your pastebin for linux-image doesn't return anything :(
[16:43] <hggdh> hi TheLordOfTime, I am on holiday :-)
[16:44] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  ah.  so... not a good time to ask you to check an email string and give your opinions (for bugsquad stuff)
[16:44] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[16:44] <Daviey> cr3: updated, http://pb.daviey.com/Z608/
[16:44] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: well, I am actually not here, but I might be able to look at an email sent to me ;-)
[16:44] <cr3> Daviey: sweet! I haven't noticed that in some of my syslogs but I'll have another look at my other syslog once I can get at it, shouldn't be too long now
[16:45] <Daviey> i'm using a us mirror for some daft reason
[16:45] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  heh.  i sent it to the bugsquad mailing list, its just finalizing that whole core vs. noncore stuff i brought up a couple of months ago.  just getting opinions on wording it for the footnotes on the Importance docs, then adding that, and that's the end of it :)
[16:46] <hggdh> heh
[16:46] <hggdh> will look at it, if I have not to get to a party somewhere and drink a bit more of beers
[16:46] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[16:46] <cr3> Daviey: us > uk, of course
[16:46] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  have a beer on me :P
[16:46] <hggdh> will do
[16:47] <cr3> even Python thinks so: "us" > "uk" == True
[16:49] <Daviey> cr3: I disgaree, http://pb.daviey.com/gaVw/
[16:58] <cr3> Daviey: "win" should be in caps to emphasise how awesome you are, then I'd agree with your code
[16:59] <Daviey> cr3: ok
[17:04] <cr3> Daviey: I did some side by side diff of our syslog and I wonder if you would have the same problem as me if your kernel was not updated: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1176273/
[17:05] <cr3> bbl
[17:06] <cr3> Daviey: oh, one more thing, you might like to make sure you're using the latest filesystem.squashfs to prevent the upgrade. mine is from today's image, md5sum: 0027b200eb2c3c24218d252bcdad8345
[17:11] <Daviey> cr3: mine was from today
[17:11] <Daviey> df423b2e84af20365dc123645b1b4deb  filesystem.squashfs
[17:12] <Daviey> cr3: a newer iso has just been published btw http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20120830.2/
[17:27] <roaksoax> cr3: so what i did, IIRC was only to download the filesystem.squashfs and place it under /caspter, and the live-installer took care of everything
[17:38] <Daviey> roaksoax: you shouldn't need to do that..
[17:38] <roaksoax> Daviey: right, so I'm pressuming that cjwatson added support to live-installer to use the squashfs image from /tmp
[17:39] <Daviey> roaksoax: no, wget's it
[17:39] <Daviey> roaksoax: di live-installer/net-imagestring http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~dave/filesystem.squashfs
[17:40] <roaksoax> Daviey: yeah I have that, but my point being is that it stores it under /tmp/filesystem.squashfs
[17:40] <Daviey> roaksoax: live-installer respects /install and /casper, but also supports net-image preseed
[17:41] <Daviey> roaksoax: well the fact it is in /tmp is irrelevant
[17:42] <roaksoax> Daviey: right! but I guess i didn't express myself correctly, as what I did was during the product sprint and that';s what I was talking about :)
[17:42] <roaksoax> sorry for the confusionm
[17:46] <Daviey> ahh
[17:46] <Daviey> i understand now :)
[17:48] <sbeattie> adam_g: do your keystone/precise-proposed packages include the fix for LP: #998185 ? (I kind of assume so, since you got the other two token expiry issues incorporated)
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> LP Bug 998185
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> (so you can see the subject ;) )
[18:03] <zul> smoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1176358/ thats the error i get
[18:07] <smoser> zul, sorry for ignorance
[18:07] <smoser> but what is iscsiadm doing here?
[18:07] <zul> smoser: its doing the libvirt attach-device call basically
[18:08] <smoser> what does that have to do with the instance?
[18:08] <smoser> its just setting up device on the host that is connected to the scsi target?
[18:09] <zul> smoser: i think so....im still trying to figure stuff out as well
[18:10] <zul> smoser: its blowing my mind man :)
[18:11] <zul> smoser: here is a bit more info in the traceback http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1176374/
[18:25] <dassouki> is tehre a way to list the 10 largest folders in total size in the system
[18:28] <cr3> roaksoax: first, I think you meant that you placed the filesystem.squashfs under /install rather than /casper. second, are you saying that netinstalling the current quantal server image now works for you?
[18:29] <roaksoax> cr3: i meant when I first did it, i put it in /caspter IIRC
[18:30] <roaksoax> cr3: now, we should only need to specify the URL for it
[18:30] <roaksoax> cr3: and that should be it
[18:37] <cr3> roaksoax: ok, I'm glad to hear that works for you. I'll keep troubleshooting my side on the assumption that my configuration is wrong
[18:40] <noslin005> hi, people , someone know a good site that talk about mounting a server hardware
[18:42] <patdk-wk> heh?
[18:42] <patdk-wk> normally follow the instructions that came with the mounting hardware
[18:43] <Troy^> hello when setting up a raid 1 with ide drives, do they both have to be on the same channel for instance on the same primary chain or can one be on each primary and secondary what will perform best?
[18:46] <patdk-wk> Troy^, makes 0 difference at all
[18:46] <patdk-wk> so make them primary on their own channels, if you can
[18:47] <Troy^> hmm so no diff even if i put them prim and secondary on the first channel? it would make for better airflow? unless you think i would get better performance
[18:50] <drag0nius> is there something like webadmin for Squid?
[18:50] <drag0nius> with gui?
[18:52] <RoyK> !webmin
[18:52] <RoyK> drag0nius: squid is rather easy to configure if you read the manual and the config file
[18:53] <drag0nius> the config file has couple thousand lines ;/
[18:53] <RoyK> yep
[18:54] <patdk-wk> hmm, I have many config files that are only 20lines, but end up at a few thousand when I'm done configuring it
[18:54] <patdk-wk> like, apache :)
[18:54] <drag0nius> i dont need that much for now at least ;d
[18:55] <RoyK> drag0nius: just ask what you want to do
[18:55] <RoyK> !ask
[18:55] <drag0nius> i've tomcat/glassfish/apache2 running on server
[18:56] <drag0nius> wanna make access to them with urls not ports
[18:56] <drag0nius> i've domain already
[18:58] <drag0nius> right now using dns redirect, but its not sufficient
[18:59] <drag0nius> like i want drag0nius.pl/apps/ direct to drag0nius.pl:8080
[18:59] <drag0nius> without changing url base
[19:03] <drag0nius> probably later would get to manually configuring, but need something quick now
[19:06] <drag0nius> hmm
[19:06] <drag0nius> found artica
[19:06] <drag0nius> looks good
[19:11] <cr3> Daviey: I got it to work... by using the old filesystem.squashfs from 20120829 which resulted in upgrading the same 14 packages as you, including the linux-image-*-generic package.
[19:12] <cr3> Daviey: I'm still of the opinion that using the latest filesystem.squashfs which doesn't upgrade the linux-image-*-generic package will result in a broken installation.
[19:13] <cr3> Daviey: and, I would suggest that someone confirm this because I don't think QA tests network installs yet
[19:15] <Daviey> cr3: Ah, balls.. I am testing yesterdays iso
[19:16] <cr3> Daviey: no worries, as long as we're now comparing oranges and oranges, I'm reassured to keep plowing ahead. will keep you posted
[19:21] <Daviey> cr3: so, the other thing that differs.. mini.iso is created from debian-installer uploads, and only then.
[19:23] <Daviey> cr3: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/quantal-server-amd64_default/141/console .. latest iso .*30.2 seems to be using life-installer ok
[19:25] <cr3> Daviey: cdrom install != network install != usb install
[19:27] <cr3> Daviey: you're welcome to comparing other fruits to a network install of the current image, that doesn't fix the current image unfortunately :(
[19:28] <cr3> Daviey: what files other than initrd.gz and vmlinuz are used from the mini.iso for a network install using MaaS?
[19:34] <Daviey> cr3: no shit :)
[19:36] <cr3> Daviey: I found the problem that I'll be documenting in a bug shortly, it's all in: live-installer/usr/lib/live-installer.d/ubuntu-kernel
[19:37] <Daviey> cr3: debian-installer, which produces the network installer, was uploaded 20 hours ago
[19:37] <cr3> Daviey: in short, the filesystem.squashfs does not contain /boot/vmlinuz-* as can be seen from mounting it. the kernel is actually copied from the cdrom which doesn't freaking exist in a network install
[19:37] <Daviey> cr3: well, this was actually by design.
[19:38] <cr3> Daviey: if it seems to have worked in a network install, it's only a fluke that you've had a more recent kernel in the archive otherwise it cannot work
[19:38] <cr3> Daviey: so, by design, how should the network install get its kernel under /boot?
[19:39] <Daviey> cr3: good question.
[19:39] <Daviey> cr3: wing and a prayer ?
[19:39] <cr3> Daviey: it's not important to know the design to report a bug though, so I'll continue gathering the necessary information for a good bug report. I'd rather leave the design to the experts :)
[19:40] <Daviey> cr3: Colin is not around this week. He'd probably be the best person to take this, if not.. roaksoax or myself will.
[19:40] <cr3> Daviey: I'll try to find a way to workaround that problem too so that certification can continue to test server images, but at least I'm confident about the problem now. I hope this will be useful for your team as well
[20:10] <Troy^> i didn't choose degraded array for my raid 1 setup what is the downfall?
[20:20] <cr3> Daviey, roaksoax: I reported bug #1044049 describing the problem installing the latest quantal server image over the network, I hope this will help make maas even better!
[20:21] <Troy^> omg on the package install selection i hit enter trying to select first package and it goes auto to continue not selecting the package... spacebar is to select packages so now i have server installing with no packages lol
[20:25] <Daviey> cr3: no doubt it will, thanks for your detailed digging
[20:26] <cr3> Daviey: I'll have a workaround soon, so you can either use sleep 7d or wait for cjwatson, I won't be blocked on this
[20:27] <Daviey> cr3: well, i'm worried that i set unreasonably fast turnaround expectations.. so this one might need to be a sleep 14d.
[20:29] <cr3> Daviey: as long as it makes it before the quantal release, I'll be happy for the sake of MaaS
[20:36] <Daviey> cr3: super.
[20:57] <Troy^> does openssh server auto start on boot?
[21:04] <wedgie> by default, yes
[21:16] <fij0> hello
[21:17] <fij0> there is a way to put ascii characters in console witout use unicode wit the combination of ctrl + shift + u ?
[21:38] <epifanio> Hi All
[21:38] <epifanio> I'm running a virtual server on a machine of my institute, uname -a give me :  Linux ecoop.aquarius.tw.rpi.edu 2.6.32-28-vserver #55~ppa1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 4 21:25:09 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:39] <epifanio> i have sudo rights on this machine .. and i was trying to install some packages unsing apt-get ... unfortunatly it gave me "unmet dependencies" , so i tryied to do an :   apt-get updarte & apt-get upgrade
[21:40] <epifanio> but now .. the apt-get instruction is stuck on the cron packages ... the ssh shell prompt show me : http://paste.debian.net/186732/
[21:40] <epifanio> is in this state that is half hour .. i'm worried
[21:41] <epifanio> have you any clue on what's going wrong ? or how to try to debug the problem ?
[21:47] <epifanio> to stop the process .. i opened an other ssh connection and i run :  sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[21:47] <epifanio> then i used : dpkg --configure -a
[21:48] <epifanio> the log in the shell is :  http://paste.debian.net/186736/
[21:48] <epifanio> thanks for any help!
[21:50] <epifanio> 'm trying again with : sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:54] <epifanio> after a long list of unpacking / preparing replacement .. it is still stuck on cron : http://paste.debian.net/186737/
[21:54] <epifanio> :'(
[22:38] <ariel__> i wanna ask a question how do people find your server online
[22:39] <epifanio> ?
[22:39] <SpamapS> ariel__: are you asking how you might advertise the existence of your server that you build on Ubuntu?
[23:00] <Troy^> question openssh only seems to run on a linux box reboot when i log in to a user. how do i get the box to auto login?
[23:18] <Troy^> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config file do i need to uncomment "#" the line with port 22 if i want to change it to Port 2277 for example?
[23:18] <Troy^> and sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart does not work i even tried service ssh restart
[23:18] <Troy^> :S
[23:18] <Troy^> lol


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[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3069 Proposed pocket
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3070 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3070 Needs building
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3069 Release pocket
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2680 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/indicator-session, xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-power, zesty/indicator-session, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/libindicator, zesty/unity8, zesty/unity8-desktop-session). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3070 Diff missing