[20:01] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:01] <Pici> g'afternoon
[20:01]  * AlanBell pops back to the kitchen to make coffee for everyone
[20:01] <MooDoo> 2 sugars please :)
[20:02] <AlanBell> #startmeeting IRC Council Nominations
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[20:03] <IdleOne> o/
[20:03] <Pici> \o
[20:03] <IdleOne> M
[20:03] <IdleOne> C
[20:03] <IdleOne> A
[20:03] <topyli> :/
[20:03] <Tm_T> IdleOne: cruel you
[20:04] <IdleOne> song stuck in your head now :)
[20:04] <AlanBell> :)
[20:05] <AlanBell> so, having given people a few minutes to wake up/pour coffee/beer/whatever who is here?
[20:06] <Myrtti> meh
[20:06] <IdleOne> o/
[20:06] <topyli> o/
[20:06] <Pici> \o
[20:06] <Flannel> ~~~o/~~~
[20:06] <Tm_T> present
[20:06] <IdleOne> Throw your hands in the air and wave'em like you just don't care
[20:07] <Myrtti> YOU ARE CARING I KNOW
[20:07] <IdleOne> I am :/
[20:07] <Fuchs> was dis?
[20:08] <AlanBell> so, the subject of this meeting is the IRC Council nominations, we are following the process outlined here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil
[20:08] <AlanBell> nominations we know about so far are . . .
[20:08] <AlanBell> Tm_T and Pici
[20:09] <Tm_T> Pici: rock on
[20:09] <AlanBell> and if anyone else would like to nominate themselves now is the time to do it
[20:09] <Fuchs> do you actually need more or do you have enough?
[20:09] <Fuchs> (pondering, hence asking)
[20:09] <AlanBell> well we should have 5
[20:09]  * AlanBell nominates himself
[20:10] <AlanBell> now we have 3
[20:10] <Tm_T> Fuchs: there's no "enough"
[20:10] <topyli> good going! :)
[20:10] <IdleOne> so, topyli and funkyhat are not running for another term?
[20:10] <topyli> not me at least
[20:10] <Pici> Real life things :/
[20:11] <AlanBell> the idea is we collect lots of nominations and put them forward to the CC who will set up the process for selecting 5 of them
[20:11] <IdleOne> real life things are good, hopefully.
[20:11] <AlanBell> so if we don't make it to 5 that is a bit inconvenient, but not unheard of, last time there were 4 initially
[20:11]  * Fuchs waits for now, then
[20:12] <Pici> hm
[20:12]  * IdleOne nominates self
[20:12] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[20:12] <Pici> woo
[20:12] <IdleOne> what the hell, might as well give you folks a run for your money
[20:12] <topyli> yes!
[20:12] <Tm_T> IdleOne: good boy
[20:13] <IdleOne> Fuchs: you should also
[20:13] <Fuchs> IdleOne: it would be a bit many hats to wear then  (loco op, ubuntuusers GC, IRCC) so I'd only do it if you desperately need more
[20:14] <Pici> undstandable
[20:14]  * AlanBell nudges Myrtti a bit
[20:14] <Myrtti> no
[20:14] <IdleOne> cmon Myrtti :)
[20:14] <Fuchs> aw :(  Myrtti is awesome
[20:14]  * IdleOne nudges Flannel
[20:15] <IdleOne> Fuchs: very understandable
[20:16] <Flannel> Sounds like we should've had this goad-people meeting earlier to the deadline, if our selection process is "whoever is here and breathing"
[20:16] <Flannel> IdleOne: If I accept your nomination, does that make six or five?
[20:16] <AlanBell> Flannel: yeah, we did, last week
[20:16] <IdleOne> not trying to goad you sir, just think you would be good for the position.
[20:16] <AlanBell> this is a followup goad
[20:16] <IdleOne> Flannel: I believe it would be 5
[20:17] <Flannel> AlanBell: Ah, well, I missed it.  Was there an email?  "Come show up! Be volunteered!"
[20:17] <Pici> Lets stop goading people, its their own decision to nominate themselves.
[20:17] <Flannel> IdleOne: I will accept your nomination, but only if that makes six people.  So if that was only five, you'll need to find one more :)
[20:17] <IdleOne> I'm assuming AlanBell is keeping track
[20:17] <Pici> After all, this is a 2 year commitment.
[20:17] <Flannel> IdleOne: Think of it as a matching contribution :)
[20:18] <IdleOne> well, it seems we can't shame anyone else now :(
[20:18] <AlanBell> so far I see Pici Tm_T AlanBell IdleOne Flannel
[20:19] <IdleOne> Flannel: Please confirm yourself so I don't feel like I forced you into accepting
[20:19] <IdleOne> *the nomination
[20:23] <Flannel> I still feel that we should seek out one or two more.  It's not much of a confirmation/vote if barely have the minimum number.
[20:23] <Flannel> AlanBell: What are the requirements for a person serving?
[20:24] <Tm_T> be ubuntu member
[20:24] <Fuchs> Flannel: ubuntu IRC membership, being dedicated to IRC, having a bit or IRC knowledge, listet all at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil
[20:24] <Fuchs> (under IRC Council Charter, 4th point)
[20:26] <AlanBell> Flannel: yeah, basically Ubuntu Membership and wanting to do it really
[20:27] <AlanBell> nominations are open to the end of November, so still a few hours left :)
[20:27] <Flannel> right, operator status not required.
[20:27] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2013-November/001623.html set out the dates
[20:27] <AlanBell> Flannel: nope, not required to be an Op
[20:29] <Flannel> So, with this window, let me officially state this then: I will only accept nomination if we find at least one more (hopefully more!) additional people who accept nomination.
[20:30] <Tm_T> would be good to have non-ops in council too infact
[20:30] <Flannel> Not that I wish to be difficult, just that I wish for a vote that's more meaningful than "vote for five of these five people!" when it comes time for that.
[20:30] <AlanBell> Flannel: yeah, I am keen on there being a vote too
[20:31] <Fuchs> so basically you just need to find one who nobody will vote for anyway, then take Flannel ;)
[20:31] <Flannel> Lets have everyone take a homework assignment then, over the next N hours (how many? what timezone?), talk to folks about the IRCC, what it does, why it's important, and see if they're interested.
[20:34] <AlanBell> so I didn't specify a timezone, we normally use UTC, but it isn't a particularly hard deadline, we said "November" and I would be fine with that meaning that we send the list to the CC at an unspecified time on Monday with all nominations to that point
[20:35] <Pici> Sounds fine to me
[20:35] <AlanBell> the IRCC will prepare an email with the names, links to wiki pages and launchpad pages and any comments we may have about the nominations
[20:36] <IdleOne> Do I need to make a special page for this?
[20:36] <IdleOne> wiki page that is
[20:36] <Flannel> IdleOne: At least a section.
[20:36] <IdleOne> let me see if I remember my wiki all-in-one password
[20:37] <Flannel> IdleOne: I think the wiki uses launchpad now.
[20:37] <AlanBell> no need for a special page or section, just maybe take a look over the existing stuff and update if required
[20:38] <AlanBell> maybe add a note saying you are nominating yourself for the IRCC
[20:38] <Pici> And testimonials, if you like.
[20:40] <IdleOne> will do
[20:42] <AlanBell> so, thanks very much all for attending this meeting, and thanks to those who have nominated themselves, lets close this for now, further nominations will continue to be accepted, just let a member of the current IRCC know you want to put yourself forward by email or IRC or carrier pigeon
[20:43] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[20:43] <AlanBell> at some point on Monday the nominations we know about at that time will be passed on to the CC - we won't announce the time of that in advance, so no last second nominations will work :)
[20:43] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[20:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Nov 30 20:43:51 2013 UTC.
[20:43] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-11-30-20.02.moin.txt
[20:43] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-11-30-20.02.html
[20:43] <Flannel> If you're waiting for the last second, this is the last second already!
[20:43] <Fuchs> I'll forward it to the ubuntuusers people, AlanBell. Where should they poke exactly? (E-Mail address)
[20:44] <AlanBell> Fuchs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or just ping one of us on IRC
[20:44] <Fuchs> thanks
[20:44] <IdleOne> wiki slow to login for others?
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> IdleOne: a tad, yes.
[20:46] <IdleOne> nevermind
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> (it's slow for me here right now)
[20:46] <IdleOne> ah, so it wasn't just me
[20:46] <IdleOne> thanks TheLordOfTime
[20:47] <TheLordOfTime> IdleOne: just finally kicked into gear and logged in, but i thought the system was gonna timeout on me
[20:47] <TheLordOfTime> (so no, i don't think its just you)
[21:49] <hggdh> IdleOne: ing
[21:49] <hggdh> er, actually, it should have been a *p*ing. Keyboard ate the 'p'
[21:50] <IdleOne> hggdh: ong
[21:50] <hggdh> heh
[21:50] <IdleOne> :)
[21:51] <hggdh> IdleOne: if you still need another one to self-nominate, I can do it.
[21:51] <IdleOne> AlanBell: ^
[21:51] <IdleOne> hggdh: yay!
[21:51] <AlanBell> \o/
[21:51] <AlanBell> thanks hggdh, I will add you to the list
[21:51] <hggdh> OK. mail to ubuntu-irc?
[21:52] <IdleOne> no need, you just nominated yourself
[21:54] <hggdh> anyway, already sent :-)


[07:36] <praisethemoon> good day everyone!
[08:45] <elacheche> o/
[08:45] <elacheche> Cool praisethemoon :)
[08:49] <praisethemoon> elacheche, was that about the screenshot of yesterday? :D
[08:52] <elacheche> yeah
[09:01] <praisethemoon> elacheche, it's just some design :3 I improved it after xD
[09:01] <elacheche> :)
[09:01] <elacheche> At least you're starting something
[09:44] <praisethemoon> yeah xD
[09:44] <praisethemoon> so how are you today?
[10:07] <elacheche> tired.. probably sick x)
[10:09] <praisethemoon> oh ... :(
[10:09] <praisethemoon> cold?
[10:14] <elacheche> probably x)
[13:30] <pavlushka> YES praisethemoon !
[13:31] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, yes what? xD
[13:31] <pavlushka> you pinged me, but I was somewhere else for a day, now back and noticed the ping :)
[13:43] <praisethemoon> remind me of what I said XD
[13:43] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, i recall it was yesterday night ( in my timezone :3 )
[13:46] <elacheche> "20:28:56 praisethemoon | pavlushka, HEY!"
[13:47] <praisethemoon> xDDD
[13:47] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, HEY!
[13:55] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: yes, I brought a cat, was attending her
[13:59] <pavlushka> from streets :p
[13:59] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: what? you dont like cats?
[14:10] <pavlushka> Hey elacheche , how are you?
[14:12] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, i adore cats :))
[14:12] <praisethemoon> <3
[14:18] <elacheche> Hey pavlushka :) Good :)
[14:19] <pavlushka> yes elacheche , me great, with a frog (in hibernation) and a cat now , :)
[14:20] <pavlushka> Hey Naeil o/
[14:24] <elacheche> cool x)
[14:35] <pavlushka> elacheche: you were feeling sick, how is it now?
[14:48] <praisethemoon> a frog?
[14:48] <praisethemoon> froggen?
[14:48] <praisethemoon> name it froggen
[14:48] <praisethemoon> plz
[14:48] <praisethemoon> XDD
[14:55] <Naeil> o/
[14:57]  * pavlushka curious about the name froggen
[14:57] <pavlushka> Naeil: Hey, how are you?
[14:58] <Naeil> Hello pavlushka tired :/ what about you?
[14:59] <pavlushka> Naeil: me too, just back from almost a 100 Kilos trip :)
[14:59] <pavlushka> with the cat
[15:00] <Naeil> aww a cat!! :D
[15:00] <Naeil> praisethemoon, lua ninja guy :D how are you
[15:02] <Naeil> elacheche, do you know that the ML of awesome wm is going to be shutdown :( I think people is forgetting about the old tools :(
[15:03] <praisethemoon> Naeil, o/
[15:03] <praisethemoon> the ninja is making a lua based web application \o/
[15:11] <Naeil> \o/
[15:11] <Naeil> make sure you post it in github :D
[15:29] <praisethemoon> ofcourse :D
[15:29] <praisethemoon> unless facebook or microsoft buys it
[15:29] <praisethemoon> MUAHAHAHAHA
[15:29] <praisethemoon> (brb)
[18:03] <elacheche> sorry pavlushka I was afk
[18:03] <elacheche> praisethemoon:
[18:03] <elacheche> ping
[18:03] <pavlushka> elacheche: np, :)
[18:05] <praisethemoon> elacheche, hey :D
[18:05] <pavlushka> elacheche: looks like who set the topic is more than the topic Topic for #ubuntu-tn set by elacheche_anis!~elacheche@ubuntu/member/elacheche-anis
[18:06] <pavlushka> :p
[18:06] <elacheche> praisethemoon: Saw this 16:01:57         Naeil | elacheche, do you know that the ML of awesome wm is going to be shutdown :( I think people is forgetting about the old tools :(                                                                                │
[18:07] <elacheche> lool pavlushka :D
[18:07] <elacheche> praisethemoon: you should contribute to that project dude! it's lua based!


[16:56] <chillysurfer> the merging doc (https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/merging.html) seems to explicitly talk about merging userdata. is vendordata subject to these same principles? (default merging, ability to specify merge-types in the vendordata cloud-config, etc.)?
[16:56] <chillysurfer> my testing is hinting at a "no". if userdata has a runcmd(s) and vendordata has runcmd(s), then the vendordata runcmd(s) is/are not run
[16:57] <chillysurfer> wondering if i could specify `merge_how` in vendordata cloud-config  to change this behavior though
[16:59] <chillysurfer> actually i think the vendordata section answers my question: "if both vendor and user have provided ‘runcmd’ then the default merge handler will cause the user’s runcmd to override the one provided by the vendor. To append to ‘runcmd’, the user could better provide multipart input with a cloud-config-jsonp part"
[16:59] <chillysurfer> so the end-user (supplying userdata) would have to be _very_ explicit to allow vendordata to not get overwritten
[17:34] <Odd_Bloke> chillysurfer: Yes, the intent is that if a user provides a key then it completely overrides the vendor's key.
[17:35] <Odd_Bloke> (Unless they opt-out of that behaviour, as you noted.)
[17:58] <chillysurfer> Odd_Bloke: ok cool thanks for the confirmation. and besides the user specifying a cloud-config-jsonp part, there is nothing vendordata could do otherwise, right? can't specify a different merge-type in vendordata?
[18:03] <Odd_Bloke> chillysurfer: As far as I know, the power lies entirely with the user.
[18:03] <Odd_Bloke> (By design. :)
[18:03] <chillysurfer> yep that's what the docs seem to indicate as well :)
[18:08] <rharper> chillysurfer: I've not explored it yet; but I wanted to see if we could have a place to set the default merge-how values; rather than a per user-data file;   it's awkward to have to have a merge-how in each input file you might use
[18:10] <rharper> that said, I do think the need to merge vendor-data with user-data usually indicates that what's happening in vendor-data probably should be baked into the image in some other way; for example a stand-alone vendor package integrated into the image;  or event a dynamic vendor config module;
[19:18] <chillysurfer> rharper: yep makes total sense
[19:19] <chillysurfer> i have a question and some findings that are way too long for irc. what's the cloud-init mailing list that i could use?
[19:24] <Odd_Bloke> chillysurfer: It's the mailing list attached to this Launchpad team: https://launchpad.net/~cloud-init
[19:40] <chillysurfer> Odd_Bloke: perfect thanks!
[20:01] <AnhVoMSFT> rharper : Sorry it took a while but I pushed an update to https://code.launchpad.net/~vtqanh/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/369785
[20:01] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT: no worries; thanks


[14:23] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: could you check the changelog matches your expectation?
[14:23] <alan_g[m]> https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2980/
[14:26] <Saviq> alan_g you mean in terms of formatting, or content?
[14:27] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: both
[14:30] <Saviq> alan_g Nitpicks: a couple items don't have bracketed "area" prefix; not all `Fixes:` have colons.
[14:39] <Saviq> alan_g there's so much dead code removal in this release it warrants a mention ;)
[14:40] <Saviq> Like a third of the commits :P
[14:43] <alan_g[m]> We don't usually call out refactoring - it doesn't affect users
[14:44] <Saviq> I know, j/k
[14:49] <alan_g[m]> I don't think there are useful prefixes to add for those items. Do you really need them? Want to suggest something?
[14:49] <Saviq> Nitpicks, feel free to ignore
[14:50] <alan_g[m]> OK, so the only thing left that needs validation is the eglstream platform
[14:51] <alan_g[m]> alan_g[m]: I don't have the kit for that
[14:51] <Saviq> alan_g[m]: Jenkins was happy with 2.14.0~rc1-snap154-11862
[14:52] <Saviq> Saviq: That's mir-test-tools
[14:53] <alan_g[m]> In principle, we're happy to tag then?
[14:54] <Saviq> I believe so
[15:49] <Saviq> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a90130959ed78bd93c3ddeceb5a52ca02403edd5>)
[16:08] <alan_g[m]> Today: Mir release 2.14.0
[16:27] <alan_g[m]> Oh, looks like the compilation trouble with Debian/sid has spread to Ubuntu/mantic! (One for tomorrow)
[21:58] <mattkae[m]> Today:
[21:58] <mattkae[m]> - Opened up a draft for 2629 (https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2981) but it is not quite ready yet. The functionality is all there however, just needs some loose ends tied and some polishing ⭐


[00:39] <Mid3vildan> hello!
[02:34] <Lumpy> ello ello all
[03:58] <chachapuma> alguien que hable castellano / español?
[04:00] <chachapuma> eu
[04:04] <chachapuma><EMAIL_ADDRESS>estoy probando ubuntu studio 12.04 me gustaria recibir ayuda en español para varios programas y configuraciones
[04:04] <chachapuma> gracias
[05:46] <jorge> alguien me puede echar una mano no logro ejecutar el sw de mixlr para transmitir radio online
[05:46] <jorge> si alguien tiene alguna solucion
[05:46] <jorge> me sera de granayuda
[13:02] <cfhowlett> clean
[18:27] <eeepc> XFCE 4.10 on ubuntu studio?
[18:27] <holstein> !info xfce
[18:27] <holstein> lol
[18:28] <holstein> !info xfce4
[18:28] <holstein> eeepc: ^^
[18:28] <holstein> eeepc: its the same as main ubuntu... and xubuntu.. same repos
[20:42] <FloatingGoat> what do you guys think of soundhole pickups for guitar?
[20:42] <zequence> FloatingGoat: Never heard of them, but try #opensourcemusicians. There are a few guitarists on that channel who know their stuff
[20:50] <faLUCE> hi, is there a way to move down the upperpanel?
[21:01] <len-1304> faLUCE, for any panel right click on it. Click on "Panel" then preferences.
[21:02] <len-1304> uncheck lock and you should be able to drag it around
[21:03] <len-1304> FloatingGoat, sound hole pickups are fine for stage work with a steel string guitar, they don't work for nylon.
[21:03] <len-1304> Get one that is designed for acoustic sound or it will sound electric.
[21:03] <faLUCE> len-1304: I can't drag it. I unchecked lock but I can't drag it
[21:03] <faLUCE> len-1304: sorry
[21:03] <faLUCE> thanks
[21:03] <len-1304> faLUCE, let me try.
[21:04] <faLUCE> len-1304: solved
[21:04] <faLUCE> thanks
[21:04] <len-1304> with the panel preferences panel open try using the mouse to grab the panel right at the end.
[21:04] <len-1304> faLUCE, ^^^
[21:04] <faLUCE> yes you were right thanks
[21:06] <len-1304> FloatingGoat, for recording, use a mic over _any_ pickup if you want an acoustic sound.
[21:10] <FloatingGoat> what do you think?
[21:11] <zequence> I agree on using a condenser mic when recording acoustic guitar. Can't beat that with any pickup
[21:11] <zequence> pickups are good for live use
[21:12] <FloatingGoat> i know for recordings. but what about realtime recordings
[21:12] <FloatingGoat> live recordings
[21:14] <FloatingGoat> cause i want to record guitar as well as
[21:14] <FloatingGoat> my voice at the same time
[21:15] <len-1304> FloatingGoat, for live stuff, the guitar will not sound as good no matter what you do, but a pickup will allow better feedback control and keep the mic for guitar and voice from comb filtering.
[21:16] <len-1304> Any time you have two mics close together, there will be comb filtering.
[21:16] <len-1304> It will make your recordings sound hollow.
[21:16] <zequence> FloatingGoat: Depends. I haven't done that type of recording much. Of course, the vocals will leak into the guitar mic quite a bit, if you sing and play.
[21:16] <len-1304> I think the sound hole pickup I have is a fishman
[21:16] <zequence> len-1304: Not if you do it right though
[21:17] <len-1304> On stage? Is there a right? :)
[21:18] <zequence> The vocals will leak not only into the mic picking up the guitar, but it will also resonate some in the guitar itself
[21:19] <zequence> One will only know how it all sounds by trying different setups
[21:19] <len-1304> The one thing you will notice with an in hole PU is that it does change the resonant frequency of the guitar body... generally lower.
[21:19] <len-1304> zequence, yes
[21:19] <len-1304> Best test is to record it and listen to the recording.
[21:21] <zequence> If it's a nice room, you could do a stereo recording. Two balanced cardoid condensers, close to each other, picking up opposite sides of the room.
[21:21] <zequence> The mics need to be good too
[21:22] <len-1304> nice room to a hall owner = lots of seats in a small space...
[21:23] <len-1304> Oh and still meats fire codes.
[21:23] <len-1304> *meets
[21:23]  * len-1304 is feeling cynical today.
[21:24] <zequence> Most concert halls seem to suffer from that problem :)
[21:24] <zequence> I find the best halls are fairly small
[21:25] <zequence> And you enjoy being there more, if it's much less than packed
[21:25] <len-1304> I have pretty much decided that the performer audience interaction is the most important thing.
[21:26] <len-1304> Getting good sound is important, but there has to be something worth seeing/listening to.


[03:40] <psyklops> have you tried installing it multiple times?
[03:40] <psyklops> I had it fail on base system install
[03:40] <aleitner_> psyklops: two times in a row. both times the exact same behavior...
[03:40] <psyklops> but it was on random .debs
[03:40] <aleitner_> psyklops: the second time it failed on glibc, the first time i dont know
[03:40] <psyklops> eh... damn, I was hoping someone else had the problem I had
[03:41] <psyklops> still not solved
[03:41] <psyklops> did you burn it to a different CD and try again?
[03:41] <pere> am I supposed to get "authentication faillure" when I try "su"?
[03:41] <aleitner_> psyklops: i am using an iso image as cdrom
[03:41] <psyklops> yep
[03:41] <spiv> psyklops: I'm guessing they didn't burn at all, seeing as they're using vmware  :)
[03:41] <psyklops> oh...
[03:42] <aleitner_> spiv: (; true true
[03:42] <psyklops> not familiar with vmware
[03:43] <psyklops> pere: root account is "disabled"
[03:43] <pisuke> pere, there's no root account in ubuntu. Just use sudo.
[03:43] <psyklops> you have to sudo everything
[03:43] <psyklops> and the password is your user's password
[03:44] <pisuke> i've read somewhere osx works like ubuntu. no root. is it correct?
[03:44] <pisuke> just curious
[03:45] <thom> pisuke: yeah, we disable the root password by default, and have changed everything to use sudo
[03:45] <Lowe> that sound juice ripper sucks
[03:45] <thom> pisuke: and yeah, os x is similar
[03:46] <pisuke> i was surprised when installed ubuntu
[03:46] <pisuke> i think i like it
[03:47] <thom> it's a good paradigm
[03:47] <igster> are you guys intentionally making the installer work well with laptops?  this is the only disto out of dozens that gets all my hardware right on a Dell 5150
[03:47] <thom> you really _shouldn't_ use root if you don't have to
[03:47] <thom> igster: yes
[03:47] <thom> :-)
[03:48] <igster> i must say i am impressed :-)
[03:48] <pisuke> the only adventage of su is its shorter to type
[03:50] <igster> i was wondering about one thing though.  i am getting about 1400 fps on an ati radeon 9000 mobility.  is it worth install fglrx?
[03:50] <igster> i usually have to so that's why i ask
[03:51] <aleitner_> yeah its always at the exact same package: libc6-i686
[03:51] <aleitner_> weird thing is, i am on a pentium-m, which as far as i know is only i586, no?
[03:59] <dieman> *yawn*
[03:59] <dieman> back to another day of distro hacking.
[04:00] <dieman> im nearly complete with getting gnome up to snuff
[04:00] <dieman> need to find out why i lost all my panel icons
[04:00] <dieman> going from gnome 2.8 back to gnome 2.2
[04:00] <dieman> and just the launchers
[04:00] <psi> i tried to install ubuntu a few minutes ago, but the installer fails with something similar to "couldn't install initrd-tools" and then the base installation fails
[04:01] <Keybuk> dieman: why the downgrade?
[04:01] <pisuke> mmm. they disabled type ahead find in firefox? or is an ubuntu bug?
[04:01] <Treenaks> psi: what kind of machine?
[04:01] <psi> looking at console 3, there's a message saying that initrd-tools is already up to date, and that vim failed to install
[04:01] <Treenaks> pisuke: firefox bug
[04:01] <pisuke> Treenaks, thx
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: i've got a unified filesystem across our entire computing environment -- homedirectories are mounted on woody machines, solarris machine, etc.
[04:01] <psyklops> pisuke: check your preferences infirefox
[04:01] <Keybuk> ah right
[04:01] <psi> Treenaks: i386 (p4)
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: i have to continue to support woody as i upgrade
[04:02] <psi> vim failed to install because of gnome dependencies that weren't going to be installed
[04:02] <dieman> (soory, im on gprs this morning on my way to work, so its all laggy)
[04:02] <dieman> sorry, even
[04:02] <dieman> :)
[04:02] <dieman> i still find it funny that gprs is cheaper here than in europe
[04:02] <dieman> you guys have more density.
[04:03] <dieman> (of users)
[04:03] <Treenaks> dieman: mobile phone companies are trying to make money.. they think we won't notice
[04:03] <dieman> heh
[04:04] <Treenaks> cheapest I can get is 2MB for EUR 1.50
[04:04] <Treenaks> (so if you use 10MB, you pay 5*1.50)
[04:04] <dieman> i'm paying $30usd/mo for unlimited on a seperate sim card
[04:04] <ionte> Hi. Installation fails on initrd-tools (but really i think it is vim: it has unmet dependencies which are "not going to be installed"). tried several times. any hints?
[04:04] <dieman> would be $20 if i did it through my phone
[04:04] <dieman> but i prefer class 10 gprs
[04:04] <ionte> can i skip vim?
[04:05] <Treenaks> dieman: "class 10 gprs" ?
[04:05] <dieman> ionte: no idea offhand, sorry :|
[04:05] <dieman> Treenaks: yeah, gprs has classes that define how many timeslots you can use hardwarewise.
[04:05] <ionte> :((( need to do some banking, and now ive got no computer :)
[04:05] <dieman> Treenaks: here in the usa most providers give you up to 5 timeslots
[04:05] <ceu> I'm trying to install ubuntu under vmware, but the setup fails (a base-passwd pre-installation script segfaults). Is it a know problem?
[04:05] <psi> ionte: i have tge same problem
[04:06] <Treenaks> ah.. most providers here just don't tell you
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: class10 can use all 5, and it can also shift timeslots from rx to tx depending on if you need them
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: like 4+1 or 3+2
[04:06] <ionte> psi: but no solution i guess?
[04:06] <Treenaks> dieman: not even that
[04:06] <psi> ionte: nope. i came in here asking a few minutes before you did :)
[04:06] <Treenaks> dieman: just "GPRS"
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: heh
[04:06] <psi> i guess the daily iso is buggered
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: did high speed csd ever take off?
[04:07] <Treenaks> dieman: no
[04:07] <dieman> heh
[04:07] <dieman> my last phone had hscsd support
[04:07] <ionte> i can chroot to /target and do apt-get -f install, and it installs everything needed. but that is overriden when doing a new installation ...
[04:07] <dieman> never got to use it
[04:07] <Treenaks> dieman: and telcos are reluctant to implement EDGE as well, waiting for UMTS/3G
[04:07] <dieman> Treenaks: we might get edge this year or early next year
[04:08] <dieman> Treenaks: but UMTS is way, way out there -- the fcc has to get its act together in proving the frequencies.
[04:08] <dieman> they finally moved some shit around so we could match up some of our 3g stuff to europe
[04:08] <dieman> umts is on the way, rather
[04:08] <dieman> s/proving/providing/
[04:08] <dieman> ykes :)
[04:08] <dieman> yikes, need to slow down.
[04:08] <Treenaks> dieman: the first 2 networks are operational here in .nl -- the other 2 should be within the year
[04:09] <dieman> nice
[04:09] <dieman> i just hope my data prices don't go up 300%
[04:09] <ionte> where on the cd is the list of packages to be installed in base installation?
[04:13] <Treenaks> dieman: Class seems to be maximal everywhere (12)
[04:17] <aleitner_> fwiw, i disabled the vmware acceleration and now it seems to work...
[04:28] <jono> my iriver is detected by hal on my powerbook but not on my main i686 PC - any idea why?
[04:28] <jono> same version of Ubuntu
[04:39] <elim> what is the eta of the forum for ubuntu?
[04:41] <neuro|laptop> hopefully when hell freezes over
[04:42] <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, not a fan of forums?
[04:43] <thom> neuro|laptop: that soon :(
[04:46] <linux_mafia> i just installed ubuntu on this pc, check it out http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg
[04:46] <thom> heh, heh
[04:47] <Ycros> what's with the wheel
[04:48] <ulmen> steering wheel ... ;)
[04:49] <linux_mafia> Ycros, early mouse wheel
[04:51] <linux_mafia> very quiet in here right now, everyone gone for tea?
[04:55] <z1nOnly> what is default root password in ubuntu?
[04:56] <ulmen> ubuntu has root disabled by default
[04:56] <z1nOnly> ulmen, thanks!  how do you enable?
[04:57] <Depht> z1nOnly: better is to use sudo
[04:57] <Depht> after all, anyone can su, all you need is the password, but you need to be authorised to sudo
[04:58] <Qerub> z1nOnly: (if you want to activate root anyway, just "sudo passwd root")
[04:58] <z1nOnly> ulmen, I am trying to modify sources.list file, how do i do accomplish?  (linux newbie)
[04:58] <ulmen> z1nOnly: sudo <whateveryou want to execute>
[04:58] <Deft> z1nOnly: top way is to use the dialog in synaptic
[04:59] <Deft> it's Preferences | Repositories
[04:59] <Qerub> z1nOnly: synaptic or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:59] <Deft> uh, Settings | Repositories
[04:59] <z1nOnly> Deft, thanks!
[05:00] <z1nOnly> Deft, do i select both?
[05:00] <Deft> both sources?
[05:01] <aleitner_> congrats guys, i just played around with the preview. looks very slick!
[05:01] <Deft> select the one with main and universe, unselect the one with just main
[05:01] <z1nOnly> Deft, i see two unselected, should i select both?
[05:01] <morganc> I've got a Cardbus USB adaptor. How do I stop it so I can remove it on the fly?
[05:01] <z1nOnly> Deft, ok, i see it now
[05:02] <aleitner_> Deft: how does one enable/disable sudo support for a given user?
[05:02] <Qerub> aleitner_: /etc/sudoers
[05:02] <Qerub> morganc: right click on the device in nautilus and click unmount
[05:02] <aleitner_> Qerub: ah ok. i hoped there is something nice that a newbie could user too
[05:03] <elim> what is wrong with forums?
[05:04] <MatthewJ> how do you set up cdrecord?
[05:04] <spiv> aleitner_: I think you can add them to the sudo group using the Users & Groups tool in COmputer -> System Configuration.
[05:04] <MatthewJ> cdrecord -scanbus didnt find my burner, do i need to load some modules?
[05:04] <aleitner_> spiv: ah, that sounds a lot better
[05:05] <Qerub> MatthewJ: -scanbus only detects SCSI things IIRC:
[05:05] <morganc> Qerub: no, it's a pcmcia / cardbus device that gives me USB ports. Not a USB drive. So how do I remove a pcmcia device?
[05:05] <Qerub> morganc: sorry, read to quick.
[05:06] <Qerub> morganc: cardmgr then
[05:06] <morganc> Qerub: thanks, now I remember.
[05:06] <Qerub> morganc: there's some graphical tool included with it...
[05:08] <z1nOnly> can anyone recommend cd burning application for gnome?
[05:09] <Qerub> z1nOnly: nautilus-cd-burner - CD Burning front-end for Nautilus
[05:09] <Qerub> z1nOnly: it's very simple tough
[05:09] <krischan> I know this is probably a GNOME question, but: I'd like to add a custom folder to my Applications menu, but how can I do that?
[05:09] <Qerub> though*
[05:09] <z1nOnly> Qerub, thanks!
[05:09] <Qerub> z1nOnly: np
[05:10] <Qerub> z1nOnly: k3b is a very nice app otherwise, but it's for kde.
[05:10] <thom> nautilus-cd-burner - right click on an iso image,and select burn. or open nautilus and go to places
[05:10] <Lowe> k3b works though
[05:10] <Qerub> i didn't say that :) but the request included "gnome"...
[05:10] <Lowe> Linux lacks so much in the multimedia side *yawn*
[05:11] <trukulo> thom, can you make isos with a directory with nautilus-burner ?
[05:11] <z1nOnly> is nautilus insalled by default with gnome 2.8 in ubuntu?
[05:12] <tseng> z1nOnly: yes/
[05:12] <thom> trukulo: no idea
[05:12] <linux_mafia> k3b has to be used as root though, cause of the stupid 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/problem
[05:13] <linux_mafia> does it affect nautilus's burner?
[05:14] <z1nOnly> tseng, i don't see under applications->multimedia?
[05:14] <tseng> z1nOnly: nautilus has nothing to do with multimedia, sorry.
[05:14] <tseng> z1nOnly: what app are you looking for.
[05:14] <z1nOnly> tseng, cd-burner
[05:15] <tseng> computer - discs
[05:15] <linux_mafia> MatthewJ, do sudo cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/xxx
[05:15] <tseng> click places - cd burner
[05:15] <spiv> z1nOnly: Have you tried just inserting a blank disk?  I think it'll open the burner program automatically?
[05:16] <TongMaster> spiv!
[05:16] <spiv> Tong!
[05:16] <z1nOnly> tseng, spiv, thanks... i understand now.
[05:16] <TongMaster> you too l33t for 3pipe these days?
[05:17] <spiv> TongMaster: Aw :(
[05:17] <TongMaster> heh
[05:17] <spiv> I'm having enough trouble keeping up with email and the channels I'm still on, working and travelling at the same time is hard work :)
[05:17] <linux_mafia> does anyone know if the 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/problem affects the burning app in nautilus?
[05:19] <TongMaster> spiv, maaaaaate, you need to more #pipe ;)
[05:20] <mwh_> Hi, I just installed blackdown java, and I was wondering why the java-plugin is not loaded in my browser
[05:21] <mwh_> anyone using blackdown ?
[05:21] <hypatia> I thought blackdown was still not built with gcc 3
[05:21] <hypatia> I tend to use the sun jre for that reason
[05:21] <schweeb> mwh_: you have to make a symlink into your browser's plugin directories
[05:21] <schweeb> hypatia: yes, they have one linked w/ gcc3
[05:22] <TongMaster> see spiv, at least hypatia is not too l33t for #pipe
[05:22] <TongMaster> ;)
[05:22] <jeld> hello all
[05:22] <aleitner_> ok, cu guys. and keep up the great work!
[05:22] <Mitario> hi all
[05:22] <hypatia> schweeb: oh ok. I guess I just assumed they made the plugin link automatically like they used to
[05:22] <mwh_> schweeb: I have a symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[05:23] <schweeb> are you using firefox or mozilla?
[05:23] <mwh_> I think both
[05:23] <mwh_> and epiphany
[05:23] <schweeb> well
[05:23] <schweeb> pick one you want working now
[05:23] <mwh_> I have installed flash and it works okay, the plugin for that is ok
[05:23] <mwh_> mozilla
[05:23] <schweeb> mozilla proper or mozilla firefox?
[05:24] <jeld> I have just installed ubuntu on my system, it seems that the only locale present is en_US.iso88591 how would I go about installing en_US.utf8
[05:24] <schweeb> jeld: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:24] <linux_mafia> mwh_, i followed this http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[05:25] <jeld> schweeb: great, thanx!
[05:26] <jeld> finally, a distribution that actually DOES work out of the box (even if there is no box :) ) Great work, thanx!
[05:27] <mwh_> just mozilla
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: maybe thats the case
[05:27] <gangas> hey just wondering...how come the command "locate" doesnt work... i mean it says "cant locate blah blah slocate.db"
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: when I run the command java it executes, thats a good sign :)
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: anyways how can I find out if it is compiled with gcc3?
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: the symlink is made automatically
[05:27] <mwh_> hmm my network connection suck a bit ..
[05:27] <Mitario> jeld, yeah, ubuntu is even so good, the box just pops up out of existence in front of you!
[05:27] <linux_mafia> gangas, you have to do sudo updatedb first to create it
[05:28] <gangas> oh ok... thanks
[05:28] <convertor> hi guys - anyone know where to get java debs depository....
[05:29] <mwh_> linux_mafia: ill probably just follow that guide, would be nice though to find a package which just worked on ubuntu ;) anyways thats sun's policy sigh, wish there was a working opensource java applet runtime :)
[05:29] <mwh_> linux_mafia: thanks
[05:29] <linux_mafia> convertor, i followed this to get mine http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[05:29] <gangas> how do i install extra language support other than english, ie chinese
[05:30] <hypatia> mwh_: i'm trying to find out
[05:30] <linux_mafia> gangas, display or input?
[05:30] <gangas> just display
[05:31] <linux_mafia> gangas, installed by default, you just needed to enable utf-8 which you just did i think
[05:31] <gangas> ok great!
[05:31] <gangas> thanks heaps
[05:31] <convertor> linux_mafia, thanks :)
[05:32] <linux_mafia> gangas, ni shuo zhongwen?
[05:36] <gangas> mafia: i speak cantonese instead hehe
[05:36] <schweeb> hrm
[05:36] <schweeb> sweet
[05:37] <schweeb> my javascript seems to be broken in firefox
[05:37] <schweeb> @_@
[05:37] <linux_mafia> gangas, im just trying to learn putonghua at the moment
[05:37] <cardador> i have a question: if i change my locale, all the software i install will be on that locale language, or in english?
[05:38] <thom> schweeb: upgrade :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> hrm, is it me or are the current vim packages in ubuntu broken?
[05:38] <thom> and keep doing so till it works or you get bored :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):
[05:38] <Keybuk>  trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim-python
[05:38] <thom> yeah
[05:38] <schweeb> thom: yea, doing so right now.  I'm just surprised I haven't noticed it since last night ;)
[05:38] <thom> i only uploaded an hour ago :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> thom: ah, you uploaded them ... that explains it then
[05:39] <Keybuk> there should be some way of doing "hold anything where changed-by contains 'thom'" :p
[05:39] <thom> Keybuk: not vim, you slag
[05:39] <thom> that's a lamont special
[05:39] <schweeb> that explains it, I've only been at work for like an hour... haven't really gotten enough accomplished to determine that my javascript was broke ;)
[05:39] <Keybuk> thom: that explains it *even more* :D
[05:39] <linux_mafia> cardador, that locale, ie spanish iirc, thats if the app was compiled with support that is
[05:39] <Keybuk> hmm... someone's changed Bugzilla ... MY EYES!
[05:39] <thom> schweeb: you should have working type ahead find again
[05:39] <thom> as well
[05:39] <schweeb> I should have noticed as soon as I got in, as my ticket management system uses javacript menus
[05:40] <cardador> linux_mafia: ok tks
[05:40] <schweeb> lol
[05:40] <schweeb> thom: awesome, you rock
[05:40] <schweeb> thom: so what was the problem?  upstream problem or packaging problem
[05:40] <thom> schweeb: upstream
[05:40] <thom> turning the "typeaheadfind" extension _off_ causes typeaheadfind to work
[05:40] <gangas> how do i edit my grub to boot winxp by default?
[05:41] <schweeb> heh
[05:41] <schweeb> nice
[05:41] <linux_mafia> gangas, sorry we cannot help you to do that ;)
[05:41] <gangas> lol
[05:41] <intero> ;)
[05:43] <lamont> keybuk/thom: yeah, I borked vim.  I'll fix it tonigyht
[05:43] <lamont> meanwhile, just apt-get remove vim-gnome
[05:43] <lamont> and vim-python
[05:44] <Keybuk> lamont: I just did force-overwrite
[05:44] <linux_mafia> gangas, http://libranet.com/support/2.8/0404
[05:45] <gangas> thanks!
[05:46] <linux_mafia> gangas, google is your friend
[05:47] <schweeb> thom: do I have to kill my profile? cause it still be broken
[05:47] <thom> schweeb: .mozilla/firefox/default.thing/compreg.da
[05:47] <thom> t
[05:48] <thom> nuke that
[05:48] <thom> where "thing" is a random collection of letters
[05:48] <schweeb> yes
[05:48] <schweeb> h8 mozilla profile
[05:48] <schweeb> s
[05:49] <TongMaster> tyou could call it Epiphany, thom
[05:49] <thom> no, that is still at teh suck of moz, in a pretty wrapper
[05:49] <TongMaster> :)
[05:49] <igster> can someone give me a suggestion for a good gnome audio player besides totem or xmms?
[05:49] <petemc> igster: beep
[05:50] <TongMaster> A pretty wrapper without *TAB COMPLETION*
[05:50] <TongMaster> not that it bothers me
[05:50] <Lowe> find in firefox is broken :(
[05:50] <TongMaster> igster, rhythmbox mate.
[05:50] <thom> Lowe: upgrade, delete profile, profit
[05:53] <tube013> Is there a way to get printers on remote cups servers auto recognized?
[05:53] <dieman> you could just not install the server locally and just use the client
[05:53] <dieman> and put in the /etc/cups/client.conf:
[05:54] <dieman> ServerName blah
[05:54] <convertor> thom,nice ubuntu nice...
[05:54] <tube013> cool I'll give that a shot
[05:54] <convertor> another good speach from jdub tonight...
[05:57] <schweeb> thom: well, removing compreg didn't help, but deleting the profile worked
[05:58] <hypatia> this is going to cost me my entire password database and bookmarks isn't it?
[05:59] <schweeb> well
[05:59] <tube013> I got cups auto detection to work by turning browsing on in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[05:59] <schweeb> mv .mozilla/firefox .mozilla/firefox_old
[05:59] <schweeb> then you have a backup
[05:59] <hypatia> yep
[05:59] <schweeb> and can move bookmarks.html
[05:59] <hypatia> except I don't know which files to move back
[06:00] <schweeb> I don't remember which file is the pw db
[06:00] <hypatia> and my last set of adventures in profile editing showed me that they don't intend them to be human editable.
[06:01] <WW> tube13: Did you turn on browsing in the computer to which the computer is attached, the remote computer, or both?
[06:01] <elim> im compiling libdvdcss how do setup mplayer to use it?
[06:01] <elim> i compiled that too
[06:03] <linux_mafia> elim, id just use christian marillat's packages
[06:03] <elim> u wuld but theres no one for mplayer
[06:03] <WW> tube13: Let me try that again: Did you turn on browsing in the computer to which the _printer_ is attached, the remote computer, or both?
[06:03] <linux_mafia> elim, yes there is
[06:04] <elim> not for macs there isnt
[06:04] <linux_mafia> elim, oh, heh
[06:04] <elim> :P
[06:04] <linux_mafia> elim, sorry
[06:04] <elim> so any idea?
[06:05] <Dougall> anyone know if I install the fglrx ATI gfx drivers using apt, it should overwrite or remove the corresponding Mesa libraries ?
[06:07] <linux_mafia> elim, http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/%7Eagx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/
[06:07] <ondrej> Dougall: it does divert them using dpkg-divert
[06:08] <Dougall> ondrej: is there something I have to do manually, because it still seems to be loading the Mesa libs... was wondering what I was doing wrong...
[06:08] <linux_mafia> elim, those any good?
[06:08] <Dougall> I'm hardly a debian expert...
[06:08] <ondrej> Dougall: do dpkg-divert --list, it should list diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver
[06:09] <neuro|laptop> [15:42]  <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, not a fan of forums?
[06:09] <neuro|laptop> linux_mafia: mailing lists much easier :)
[06:09] <Dougall> ondrej: and if not ?
[06:09] <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, haha
[06:10] <ondrej> Dougall: then look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst
[06:10] <neuro|laptop> linux_mafia: no need to go online to read them for one thing
[06:10] <tube013> WW:  the remote computer is a Mandrake box, and has Browsing enabled by default.  I just turned it on on the Ubuntu box.. by laptop, restarted cups, and the printers automagically showed up
[06:10] <Dougall> ondrej: thanks... will do.
[06:10] <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, shit, the users list is starting to get pretty busy aye
[06:11] <WW> tube13: So in the end, you have browsing enabled on both... that makes sense.
[06:12] <Dougall> ondrej: I see the diversion listed, but it's still loading the Mesa Lib...
[06:13] <Dougall> Maybe I should reinstall and try again.....
[06:13] <Dougall> heh
[06:13] <WW> Is there a GUI for configuring things like browsing in CUPS? I've been using an editor, but a GUI would be nice.
[06:14] <ondrej> Dougall: how big it is? it should be 658984 bytes if it's diverted
[06:14] <WW> ...I've been using an editor to edit cupsd.conf, that is.
[06:14] <ondrej> original is just something over 400k
[06:14] <ondrej> basicly it moves original version to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 and places new (fglrx-driver) version to /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[06:15] <fin> could anyone tell me the package that contains make-kpkg ?
[06:16] <Dougall> Ondrej: that makes sense.. the one in /usr/X11R6/lib is 658984 the one in diversions is 412480
[06:17] <Dougall> does that sound right ??
[06:17] <linux_mafia> fin, kernel-package
[06:17] <fin> thank you
[06:17] <tube013> WW: yea browsing on both.  I think that browsing just lets the local machine scan for other cups servers.  I think there is another config option to allow broadcast of the local printers.  No GUI for cups server config.  I think kups from kde has a config for it, but I'm not sure, I haven't used that in a while.
[06:17] <linux_mafia> fin, and in future apt-cache search <thing>
[06:19] <WW> tube13: Thanks.  I keep doing what I've been doing.  I hoped I could find a GUI smart enough to prevent me from screwing it up :)
[06:19] <dieman> heh
[06:19] <dieman> vim is borked
[06:19] <WW> s/I keep/I'll keep/
[06:19] <dieman> lamont: you dork!
[06:21] <linux_mafia> my firefox find util works ok without me having to delete my profile, is that prob only on certain arch's?
[06:22] <ondrej> Dougall: yep, that's exactly how it should be... (try uninstalling fglrx-driver if you don't believe :-)
[06:23] <Dougall> I do believe.... just don't believe that it doesn't seem to be working...
[06:23] <Dougall> Other than that I was quite enjoying myself..
[06:26] <ebag> does anyone here know gabe?
[06:27] <ondrej> Dougall: try running fgl_glxgears
[06:27] <elim> hmm i dont think i want to install them i don't think judging by the description on ubuntu's site its wise
[06:28] <ondrej> Dougall: anyway, how do you know that it is not working?
[06:28] <Dougall> ondrej: slow 3d and the results of fglrxinfo
[06:29] <ondrej> Dougall: and have you changed XFree96Config to use fglrx driver?
[06:30] <linux_mafia> elim, i think they'd be fine, they're not core packages with lots of depends that will effect the infrastructure and stability of an install
[06:30] <ondrej> XF86Config of course...  or you just run fglxrconfig
[06:31] <Dougall> I ran fglxrconfig
[06:32] <elim> how do install a local ded?
[06:32] <elim> deb*
[06:32] <trukulo> sudo dpkg -i file
[06:33] <ondrej> Dougall: do lsmod | grep fglrx
[06:33] <schweeb> nice, they broke vim.
[06:34] <Dougall> Ondrej: It's loaded...
[06:34] <Dougall> I'm going to try re-installing fglrx and then reconfiguring XF Config..
[06:34] <ondrej> and your color depth is?
[06:35] <Dougall> 24 bit I think...
[06:35] <ondrej> have you looked in /var/log/XFree86.log?
[06:35] <ondrej> .0.log
[06:36] <ondrej> Dougall: there should be lot info starting with fglrx
[06:37] <Dougall> I'm rebooting currently, I'll check when it's back up.
[06:37] <Dougall> thanks for all the help btw... I feel like such a noob.
[06:38] <ondrej> Dougall: noprob.  I was fighting to get it work before...
[06:42] <Dougall> odrej: still the same thing... going through the log now.
[06:44] <Dougall> DRI Initialization failed...
[06:45] <Dougall> hmm
[06:45] <ondrej> justdave: what, you don't like my bugreport? :-)
[06:45] <justdave> don't like the problem. :)
[06:46] <justdave> can reproduce it with several other components chosen at random, so it appears to be more widespread than that.
[06:46] <justdave> did it give you the same problem filing that bug to tell me?  (did you have to put me in manually?)
[06:46] <ondrej> no, it was fine when using Bugzilla product
[06:47] <justdave> hmm, wierd.
[06:48] <justdave> well, I gotta split or my daughter's gonna be late for a school activity...  be back in a little over an hour and I'll get it fixed asap when I'm back.  In the meantime you can just put in "debzilla" in the assigned-to field and it ought to figure it out (pick the ubuntu.com one)
[06:50] <dalderman> hey guys
[06:50] <dalderman> Is mr Zimmerman in?
[06:52] <dalderman> OK, well I have a question.  I am going to file a feature request for the alps touchpad driver patch to be added in Whoary.  It requires a kernel patch.  Should the request go into the kernel or xfree86-driver-synaptic  component?
[06:52] <dieman> im pretty sure hes a left coaster, so he might still be in groggy-morning mode.
[06:52] <dieman> like 9am there
[06:53] <dalderman> dieman, ok, fanx
[06:53] <dalderman> dieman, he is emailing the user list so I think he's up
[06:53] <dieman> he was last on at 6pm last night tho.
[06:53] <dieman> ahh
[06:53] <dieman> ok
[06:53] <dieman> yeah, hes just not watching
[06:53] <dieman> probally want to type his nick, mdz.
[06:53] <dalderman> ta
[06:53] <dieman> if hes using a client like irssi it will highlight
[06:53] <dalderman> mdz, which component should I add the feature request to?
[06:54] <dalderman> mdz, for the alps patch?
[06:54] <mdz> dalderman: 'linux'
[06:55] <dalderman> mdz, FYI it works nicely once you've fiddled the settings in XF86Config-4
[06:55] <dalderman> mdz, thanks
[06:55] <mdz> dalderman: sure, I'm just paranoid about changes to something as core and hardware-specific as the psmouse driver so late in release
[06:55] <dieman> ditto
[06:55] <mdz> it has to change the initialisation code for _all_ PS/2 mice in order to work
[06:55] <dalderman> mdz, of course. I am concerned about the lack of fb support now too, well, the lack of any text output.  Most odd.
[06:55] <mdz> and with so many different mice out there, it's impossible to predict what effect it could have
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, of course
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, I could have borked the kernel compile but I don't think so
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, could it be that I'm missing a font from the build or something?
[06:56] <mdz> dalderman: did you use make-kpkg or build from the source package with apt-get source?
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, I used make-kpkg, I don't know the other way
[06:57] <dalderman> mdz, I copied the config from /boot
[06:57] <mdz> dalderman: you used make-kpkg --initrd?
[06:57] <schweeb> make-kpkg rules.
[06:57] <dalderman> mdz, yeah. to patch I did patch -p1 < alps.patch in /usr/src/linux
[06:57] <Dougall> ondrej: if you want to know, the issue ended up that I was using the included ATI AGP support,
[06:57] <Dougall> oopsie.. :)
[06:57] <fin> mdz:  make sure you either do --initrd or you compile in your filesystem
[06:58] <dalderman> I did the initrd thang
[06:58] <fin> i usually compile in the filesystems
[06:58] <dalderman> as that is what the existing kernel does and I didn't want to change too much
[06:58] <khwarizmi> I have a question: how can I add a custom folder to the Applications menu? (even though this is certainly GNOME-specific)
[06:59] <leorme> khwarizmi: nautilus-->applications: create directory. it should work.
[07:02] <dalderman> mdz, I have also got an external usb mouse and that still works fine with the alps patch
[07:04] <khwarizmi> leorme: thanks, the hint is working. And aprospos Nautilus, is there a way to customize the "Go to" menu, for that I don't have to type "applications:///" by hand everytime?
[07:06] <leorme> khwarizmi: in the worst case, you can make a shortcut in the desktop.
[07:07] <mako> 3B
[07:07] <ondrej> Dougall: strange it should work too (but I am using kernel version, because I think it's newer...)
[07:09] <Dougall> ondrej: not sure... it's an nforce chipset if that matters...
[07:11] <ondrej> Dougall: ahh, I think that ATI is using some older version of AGP code and support for nforce is relatively new
[07:11] <Dougall> yup, quite possibly.
[07:12] <Dougall> ondrej: but the bottom line is that it works now, so I can continue to explore... thanks for all your hrlp.
[07:12] <Falgor> jono, are you jono bacon?
[07:13] <mojo> morning every!
[07:13] <mojo> any GNOME developer?
[07:13] <mojo> I hope some developer hack the GNOME About to create a Ubuntu About
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> helloall
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> heh
[07:14] <mojo> D2 is so addicting
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> D2?
[07:22] <sladen> mojo: can you file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com with priority "Enhancement"
[07:22] <sladen> mojo: what's D2?  Descent 2?
[07:30] <Falgor> doom2?
[07:30] <phlaegel> probably diable 2
[07:30] <Falgor> yeah
[07:30] <phlaegel> er, diablo
[07:30] <Falgor> doom2 is just shooting.
[07:30] <Falgor> you can actually do something in diablo. get stuff.
[07:30] <phlaegel> which *was* addictive, y'know, three years ago. ;-0
[07:30] <sladen> Doom2 was addictive *10* years ago
[07:31] <sladen> (and still is...)
[07:31] <Falgor> tribes2 is great.
[07:31] <Falgor> happily too many people dont play it.
[07:35] <dieman> dialbo is click and kill
[07:35] <gangas> hi, i got winxp set up which can display chinese-big5, when winxp got mounted, the files are not displayed properly under nautilus ....i mount them using iocharset=big5 option but doesnt work
[07:38] <jeedee> There is something wrong with the AMD64 Iso : When I install ubuntu on my friend emachines laptop using the amd64, we get all kind of errors : freezes, ect. If I install from the i386 iso, no error, no special parameters and ubuntu boots just fine. Anyone experienced?
[07:38] <peteog> is there one of those evolution web calendars for ubuntu?
[07:38] <UziMonkey> emachines?  uh-oh..
[07:39] <jeedee> I know UziMonkey, but still, it works on i386 and not on amd64
[07:39] <peteog> ah emachines - I used to work at Dixons
[07:39] <peteog> :)
[07:39] <jeedee> Same thing on my desktop, Im going to try the i386 here
[07:39] <jeedee> Grub freezes at loading stage
[07:45] <panorabix> hi
[07:50] <Xordan> Hi guys and girls
[07:50] <Dougall> Hi..
[07:51] <Xordan> could any of you tell me how to netboot please?
[07:51] <Xordan> heh :P
[07:51] <subterrific> Xordan: tried google?
[07:52] <Xordan> yes I have
[07:52] <Xordan> couldn't see anything though
[07:52] <subterrific> try again, its there. google knows all
[07:53] <Xordan> hmm right
[07:53] <subterrific> Xordan: its not an easy process i could go through right here. there are plenty of howtos written about it though
[07:54] <Xordan> ok
[07:54] <subterrific> do you have a netboot server setup?
[07:54] <Xordan> no
[07:54] <Xordan> ah, I see, it's not what I was thinking off :)
[07:54] <Xordan> *of
[07:55] <Xordan> hmm, it's just that I've downloaded it 2x and burnt about 5 CD's and I get errors every time I try to install
[07:55] <Xordan> the last one said it couldn't find the kernal-image
[07:59] <subterrific> Xordan: is this a new machine?
[07:59] <Xordan> no, had it about 6 months
[08:00] <Xordan> installed lots of other distros fine
[08:00] <subterrific> what kind of machine?
[08:01] <Xordan> Athlon64
[08:01] <subterrific> ahh
[08:01] <subterrific> well if you can get any error output from dmesg or anything, submit a bug report
[08:01] <Xordan> Could a download manager such as flashget mess up the ISO?
[08:02] <Dougall> Xordan: did you check the MD5 ?
[08:02] <Xordan> yes, it's fine
[08:02] <subterrific> then no
[08:02] <Dougall> then so should the ISO.
[08:04] <Xordan> ok, I'll stick with it :) Will get it to work somehow
[08:07] <Dougall> OK... laters taters.
[08:08] <mako> LeeColleton: hey!
[08:08] <LeeColleton> Hi mako
[08:08] <mako> LeeColleton: nice seeing you here :)
[08:09] <LeeColleton> mako: Still coding for social justice, I presume?
[08:10] <mako> LeeColleton: fighting the good fight :)
[08:10] <LeeColleton> I thought it sort of odd that the ubuntu wiki has a fighter plane at the top of the page.  Is that some kind of joke?
[08:11] <mako> LeeColleton: i think its' one of the feature moin moin themes
[08:11] <mako> LeeColleton: and i thought it was a space motif
[08:12] <Nonphasis> at least you can't blame ubuntu for a dead mailing list... i get almost 1 mail / 2 minutes
[08:12] <mako> which could be a reference to sabdfl's cosmonaut past :)
[08:12] <Nonphasis> nemsgroup would be more manageable :)
[08:12] <mako> Nonphasis: i think someone subscribed it to gmane
[08:13] <Nonphasis> gmane requires login, right?
[08:13] <mako> Nonphasis: i have no idea, but i thought it was a free service
[08:13] <mako> procmail + mutt is enough for me
[08:14] <Nonphasis> I'm using tbird... apparently it can't arrange the messages into threads
[08:14] <mako> LeeColleton: fighter planes are not very ubuntu :)
[08:14] <Nonphasis> yeah, we need BOMBER planes
[08:14] <Nonphasis> ;-)
[08:15] <LeeColleton> Peace from the barrel of a GNU
[08:15] <Nonphasis> GNUs don't kill people
[08:16] <Nonphasis> gotta try that gmane w/ gnus
[08:16] <mako> you might get something you can pass off temporarily as peace, but you won't get anything you could pass of as "ubuntu" IMHO :)
[08:17] <mako> ubuntu is a richer concept
[08:17] <punkass> ok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them
[08:17] <LeeColleton> is the ubuntu-linux project a more politicized version of debian?
[08:17] <mako> no..
[08:17] <Nonphasis> hah, probably less politics here
[08:18] <mako> Nonphasis: depends on teh type of politcs we're talking about :)
[08:18] <Nonphasis> case in point: apt-gettable nvidia drivers
[08:19] <mako> Nonphasis: that's a rather complex issue :)
[08:19] <Nonphasis> yeah, I can figure...
[08:19] <mako> LeeColleton: ubuntu is a derivative distro with time-based releases and a more focused scope, among other things
[08:20] <Nonphasis> I'd still like to see even more apt-gettable "suspectible" stuff like Java
[08:20] <Nonphasis> and apt-get install mplayer-compile
[08:21] <mako> LeeColleton: but many of us like the idea of ubuntu as a way of running a community, especially free software wise
[08:21] <mako> LeeColleton: it's not tied to any sort of broader political agenda on a project-wide basis or in the eyes of canonical in any way
[08:21] <mako> although i can't speak for individuals other than myself
[08:22] <mako> LeeColleton: and you know me so you probably don't need to hear me speak for myself :)
[08:22] <Nonphasis> well, at least Ubuntu is what I've always expressed I wish debian would do
[08:22] <LeeColleton> mako: what is the connection to the Canonical company?  Besides hosting, are they available for support contracts?
[08:22] <mako> LeeColleton: yes
[08:23] <bdale> I noted late last night (my time) that the i386 warty preview iso doesn't seem to comprehend USB keyboards on i386.  is that known/expected?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> and always get "it's not possible" or "it wouldn't work" or "it's open source, go ahead" ;-)
[08:23] <mako> LeeColleton: they paid all the pre-announcment development and will continue to pay people to work on it full time to make sure thigns like time-based releases work
[08:24] <Nonphasis> mako, do you have plans to get some ISVs/IHVs on board?
[08:24] <mako> LeeColleton: i am employed by canonical, for example
[08:24] <Nonphasis> mako, no need to answer if confidential :)
[08:25] <mako> Nonphasis: isv/ihv?
[08:25] <mako> bdale: i haven't tried
[08:25] <Nonphasis> mako, sofware vendors like oracle, hw like HP/IBM...
[08:25] <bdale> mako: I'll be trying in about a half hour, then.  Via SK8V motherboard with HP USB keyboard and mouse...
[08:25] <LeeColleton> bdale: I'm using a usb keyboard with warty-i386 right now.  What model is yours?
[08:26] <bdale> LeeColleton: HP tc1100 tablet PC
[08:26] <bdale> LeeColleton: could be something else is weird then?  the tc1100 uses USB to talk to the detachable keyboard, and a d-i image around the time of debconf4 worked ok.
[08:27] <mako> bdale: so it's a d-i issue, not an installed system issue?
[08:27] <brandx> i was wondering the lastest firefox build in the apt respo is that of the 1.0pr final or is that being built from source?
[08:27] <bdale> mako: I can't hit enter to continue the boot process once I get the initial prompt.  if that times out, then I can't pick a language to continue the install.
[08:28] <mako> bdale: sure. i can imagine that installing without a keyboard is, er. difficult
[08:28] <mako> bdale: i'd ask kamion
[08:28] <bdale> mako: I "oopsed" on the tablet a while back, installing a kernel that didn't have USB keyboard support without having a backup kernel in place (yeah, my stupid)... figured it was a good machime to scortch and try an install on...
[08:28] <LeeColleton> bdale: can you hold F1 to get to the system BIOS?  sometimes legacy support for USB can be enabled there
[08:28] <bdale> (since I currently have no production dependencies on it)
[08:29] <bdale> LeeColleton: interesting question.  I'll look in a bit.
[08:30] <Mitario> heh, i hate getting to the back of my pc to let my usb pendrive auto-mount :)
[08:30] <Nonphasis> "legacy free"... bios should be the first to go ;)
[08:30] <bdale> Nonphasis: on ia64, it went... but EFI isn't exactly my idea of nirvana
[08:31] <Kosai> What's EFI?
[08:32] <bdale> Intel's "estensible firmware interface" spec ... next-gen firmware ala Intel, more or less.  think of it as DOS-in-ROM
[08:32] <maswan> Kosai: the ia64 replacement for bios, supposed to be the next generation for i386 too
[08:32] <Kosai> Ah, I see.
[08:32] <Kosai> bdale: So, something like SRM?
[08:32] <maswan> Since I come from a background of admining Suns, I would much prefer openfirmware though.
[08:32] <Kosai> That sounds neat.  The only difference I tend to notice between sparc/alpha and i386 is that the first two have sane ways of getting at a console outside of the OS.
[08:33] <bdale> sort of.  loadable device drivers, command shell, highly configurable boot manager that breaks the "boot order" concept, etc
[08:33] <jeedee> anyone had the "Could not mount cd-rom" error?
[08:33] <bdale> in Linux, you end up using 'elilo' as the boot loader and 'efibootmgr' to manipulate boot manager entries.  we worked hard to make all that be pretty invisible in Debian.
[08:34] <bdale> maswan: openfirmware is ok with me too, since I'm an old Forth hack...
[08:34] <bdale> maswan: I'm friends with some of the guys who wrote the spec and most of the interesting implementations
[08:34] <Mitario> hmm, do mounted things show up in computer://?
[08:34] <maswan> bdale: Neat. :)
[08:34] <Nonphasis> isn't linuxbios a full linux kernel in bios?
[08:35] <Nonphasis> that would rock too
[08:35] <jeedee> I mean the cd rom mounting in the install
[08:35] <jeedee> Using amd64 install grub freezes at boot, using i386 cd It can't seem to mount my install cd
[08:36] <maswan> bdale: While I'm not a forth hack, it is a system that is usable and makes sense. Haven't dealt with EFI yet though. At least not enough to have a real opinion.
[08:36] <jeedee> My friend managed to get his ubuntu running without freezing by installing from the i386 cd instead of the amd64 one
[08:36] <Mitario> ok lok, my usb pendrive and my mounted partition show up in network://
[08:37] <Mitario> lol*
[08:37] <Nonphasis> is it some kind of dynamic forth interprpter or what?
[08:37] <funkytwig> trying to get apache working, have installed apache-common but there douse not seem to be an httpd in /etc/init.d.  Have I missed something?
[08:38] <maswan> Or, right. Damn. I forgot to reinstall ravel with the install cd I burnt yesterday.
[08:40] <maswan> Mithrandir: sorry about that, didn't get around to it. hopefully next week.
[08:40] <bdale> Nonphasis: there's also a "linux as bootloader" project, which notes that if you've got to write a device driver for the kernel anyway, you might as well use it to bootstrap the machine.  the handhelds.org guys like that approach and are slowly moving that way, I think.
[08:41] <bdale> stuff like that works better when you're in embedded space and have chip docs than it does with PC-ish motherboards where the vendor has too much magic wrapped up in the BIOS
[08:44] <punkass> funkytwig: you need apache too
[08:44] <punkass> either apache or apache2
[08:45] <funkytwig> punkass:ta, will give it a go
[08:48] <LeeColleton> How do I turn on the gnome-volume-manager automatically?
[08:50] <jeld> hello all
[08:52] <bdale> fwiw, the amd64 installer is working fine with usb keyboard on my amd64 desktop
[08:52] <jeld> what is "universal" repository?
[08:53] <npmccallum> carlos: thanks for your compliment on the sounds :)
[08:53] <carlos> npmccallum: They are really funny and I love them
[08:54] <Keybuk> fascinating ... I've managed to construct a kernel that simply reboots whenever you try to boot it
[08:54] <zetor> Hello all!
[08:54] <npmccallum> carlos: funny how?
[08:54] <LeeColleton> Keybuk: a virtual machine for turning itself off
[08:54] <npmccallum> Keybuk: its a feature :)
[08:55] <Keybuk> hmm, I think I must have mis-applied a patch somewhere
[08:55] <Keybuk> probably the radeonfb one, at a guess
[08:56] <carlos> npmccallum: They integrate inside the Ubuntu origins very well
[08:57] <LeeColleton> npmccallum: what sounds?
[08:59] <AP> how do I make X start with my user without needing to type my password in gdm every time i start my computer?
[08:59] <npmccallum> carlos: thanks :)
[09:00] <npmccallum> LeeColleton: apt-get install ubuntu-sounds, its new
[09:01] <Chriffer> AP there is a timed login option in the gdm setup
[09:01] <AP> how do i get to this setup?
[09:01] <Chriffer> Computer mune, system settings, login setup
[09:01] <Chriffer> computer menu I mean
[09:02] <AP> 10x
[09:03] <jeld> AP: Computer/System Configuration/Login Screen Settings enable Automatic Login option and choose your user name in the dsrop box :)
[09:03] <bdale> amd64 box installed without incident, up to the point where it reboots ... hung after "GRUB loading, please wait..."  ... known?
[09:07] <npmccallum> bdale: do you have your cdrom in the drive?
[09:07] <bdale> power cycle didn't help
[09:07] <bdale> npmccallum: nope
[09:07] <npmccallum> bdale: I know that that has been known to occasionally cause problems
[09:08] <bdale> if it were in, the bios would have booted it in preference to the hard disk...
[09:08] <bdale> two strikes in a row.  I'm feeling snake-bit.
[09:09] <punkass> ok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them
[09:12] <bdale> oh, this is interesting ... the tablet's keyboard isn't working in the bios setup, either.  hrm.
[09:15] <LeeColleton> Well, it looks like plugging in and removing a usb storage device has caused mayhem with the gnome-volume-manager and the linux <IP_ADDRESS> i686 kernel.  Time to reboot.
[09:15] <bdale> wow.  I think I have a bad keyboard on that tablet.  since I currently have two of the tables in hand, I swapped them keyboards, and not it seems happier... proceeding to try an install.
[09:15] <bdale> bingo.
[09:19] <maswan> bdale: the amd64 grub problem seems odd, I know there used to be problems but I thought them to be fixed (in debian-amd64). also, they showed up differently
[09:19] <maswan> bdale: I'm not sure though, we run lilo on all our amd64s
[09:20] <bdale> maswan: on another disk, I'm fresh with debian amd64 sid and it's working fine
[09:20] <bdale> and I'm pretty sure that's using grub too.  checking.
[09:20] <calc> i use grub on my laptop debian amd64 and it works fine, i haven't reinstalled it lately to make sure current grub is still good though
[09:20] <maswan> bdale: Well, either something else is broken, or we can just blame Mithrandir. :)
[09:21] <maswan> The issue was only detected when you had more than 2 gigs of ram (or was it 4 gigs?)
[09:21] <bdale> yep, my main disk in this machine uses grub, and is booting fine
[09:21] <calc> maswan: can't remember
[09:21] <maswan> ok
[09:22] <calc> i only have 512mb on my laptop so i guess that would also be a reason why mine works
[09:22] <calc> i think it was 4GB but not certain
[09:22] <maswan> Well, all my amd64s have 8 gig anyway. :)
[09:23] <calc> i want a s754 k8t890pro board
[09:23] <calc> i have a spare athlon64 to stick in it already
[09:24] <maswan> I want a 32-way amd64 based on that neat Horus design or something similar. :)
[09:24] <bdale> this one has 1 gig, fwiw
[09:25] <maswan> bdale: in 5 years or so, put a computer with 256 gigabytes of ram next to it? :)
[09:26] <bdale> maswan: nah, I'll wait until the ratio is the same
[09:26] <calc> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1638795,00.asp
[09:27] <bdale> maswan: and besides, I'm pretty sure we make a machine with more ram than that today... it just won't fit on my desk.  ;-)
[09:28] <maswan> bdale: Yeah, I was just guessing that you didn't get paid quite enough for that to be cheap enough for you to convince yourself or the wife. ;)
[09:28] <bdale> calc: interesting.  very numa.
[09:28] <maswan> calc: Yeah, that's the one. The hotchips presentation on it was very informative
[09:28] <maswan> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davewang202/newisys/HorusHotChips2004.pdf
[09:29] <mojo> ppl1
[09:30] <mojo> are there any way to mount a MDF or CloneCD img file on Linux?
[09:30] <maswan> basically, custom chip that acts like a cpu to the cHT-links to the other cpus in a 4-way node, then talks to the other horus chips to connect them together into one big memory domain
[09:32] <cardador> mojo: just had that problem :) (is it smt related to sims 2)?
[09:35] <cardador> mojo: the only way to mount it would be converting them to iso with ccd2iso
[09:35] <cardador> but it didnt work out for me
[09:35] <mojo> carador: but...if convert to iso
[09:35] <mojo> carador: I can't run the game b/c no SecureROM proctection left on ISO file
[09:36] <mojo> carador: if someone can write a GTK2 program with support IMG and MDF file, they can earn hips of money
[09:36] <cardador> have you tried running daemon tools with wine?
[09:37] <cardador> and its cardador not carador ;)
[09:37] <mojo> carador: yes, it crash due to the driver loaded in Win is different from Linux
[09:37] <michel_v> aren't .ccd just .img in disguise anyway?
[09:37] <mojo> yes
[09:38] <michel_v> then try burning the .ccd to a cdrw and then ripping it
[09:38] <mojo> sigh..Linux should have more programs if it wants to dominate the world
[09:38] <mojo> the point here is I dun have CD-RW
[09:38] <mojo> I want to play it from a ripped CloneCD image
[09:38] <michel_v> the point here is that "Linux" can't just handle the myriad stupid file formats Windows programs come up with
[09:39] <mojo> some stuff under Linux is very good but sometimes stupid stuff in Windows still beats Linux for sure
[09:39] <michel_v> not Linux programmers' fault that nobody came up with a way to handle PROPRIETARY OBFUSCATIONS OF STANDARD FILE FORMATS
[09:40] <mojo> standard is a thing that all ppl support
[09:40] <mojo> so Linux devel should foloow
[09:40] <mojo> shoudn't complain too much about that's Windows's stuff blah blah
[09:40] <michel_v> what part of "proprietary obfuscations" don't you understand?
[09:41] <mojo> I dont quite get y sometimes Linux just create non-standard stuff
[09:41] <michel_v> give an example of this
[09:41] <mojo> it makes life more confusing for normal users
[09:41] <mojo> for example
[09:41] <mojo> in Linux
[09:42] <aitrus> does anyone know if the Plextor PX-712SA (SATA) burner works in Linux (Ubuntu)?
[09:42] <mojo> they use XPM, that's Unix old stuff
[09:42] <michel_v> XPM is an open file format
[09:42] <mojo> and Windows or otherOSnot support this
[09:42] <michel_v> there are libraries available for it
[09:42] <michel_v> .ccd is not an open file format
[09:42] <mojo> it's open I think
[09:42] <mojo> lots of program emulate it
[09:43] <michel_v> it's a binary format that's only properly handled by CloneCD because only their programmers know what they put in it to obfuscate it
[09:43] <mojo> wat about Alcohol
[09:43] <mojo> or FantomCD
[09:43] <mojo> or DeamonCD
[09:43] <mojo> or other CD Emulator
[09:43] <Britt_radiofree> yo
[09:43] <mojo> they emulate that file very good
[09:43] <michel_v> Alcohol 120% has the nasty habit of creating non standard iso files, too
[09:43] <mojo> so y u said it's not open
[09:43] <mojo> true
[09:44] <calc> mojo: where is the spec for the ccd image format?
[09:44] <michel_v> mojo: if they can't stick to specs, then they just create bad files
[09:44] <mojo> then
[09:44] <mojo> I think
[09:44] <mojo> some1 must work out a way
[09:44] <michel_v> must?
[09:44] <calc> mojo: if someone cares to, ccd is primarily used for pirating windoze games, not many developers care to help that along apparently
[09:44] <mojo> to convert MDF file to another format that alsp support Multi-sesssion and some special protection
[09:45] <michel_v> mojo: become that someone
[09:45] <michel_v> or fund some developers to get that support
[09:45] <mojo> I wish, I only have exp on Java, I dun know any C or C++
[09:46] <mojo> and u know Java damm well that I can't do such thing like C does
[09:46] <michel_v> nobody is going to come up with a free solution to help warez users play bad rips created on bad windows software
[09:46] <michel_v> "just because"
[09:47] <michel_v> you could easily code conversion stuff in Java
[09:47] <mojo> ...maybe..but if a company have a solution to rip 100% clone of a CD game onLinux then they will earn money like WineX did!
[09:47] <mojo> anyway
[09:47] <mojo> I think will fund CDEmu group
[09:47] <mojo> they're only hope left
[09:48] <mojo> I think I will spend more time with GTK, I hope I can write a GNOME applet for CDEmu around next year
[09:48] <calc> mojo: why would they? wouldn't the pirates just pirate the copier program, like people do for clonecd on windoze?
[09:49] <mojo> heh! then u charge them in the way of Transgaming
[09:49] <mojo> u have to subsribe to do it
[09:49] <mojo> or..you have to register online
[09:49] <mojo> or using FlexLM
[09:49] <mojo> u can create a key for registered user
[09:49] <mojo> this key is saved as a file
[09:50] <freakyc> can anyone help me get Nvidia drivers working with AMD64, please?
[09:50] <mojo> and if there is a duplication detected
[09:50] <mojo> then that account will be banned
[09:51] <calc> this is getting really OT so i am going to shutup ;)
[09:53] <jeld> I have a question, I have a FAT32 removable storage device. How do I make HAL mount it with iocharset=utf8 ?
[09:54] <bdale> install complete and I'm staring at a working desktop on the tc1100 tablet now that it has a working keyboard (and I'm on the phone with HP service getting a replacement keyboard sent right now)
[09:57] <jeld> sorry, figured it out
[10:14] <justdave> ok, font size looks normal on Bugzilla now....
[10:14] <justdave> except that the "large text" button actually makes it smaller :)
[10:14] <aitrus> thanks dave
[10:17] <fin> are there any disc with the i386 packages on them?  like iso's?  the pc im installing it on doesnt have inet
[10:19] <cardador> i have a question: i installed a program, then it went to "Other" on "Applications". After removing that program, the "Other" menu did not disappear. Is it a bug?
[10:19] <michel_v> fin: you can order cds
[10:19] <fin> ah yes, very true
[10:19] <fin> i suppose i'll do my part and support :)
[10:19] <michel_v> fin: they'll ship when there's an actual release though, which is likely to happen towards the end of cotber
[10:19] <michel_v> october, even
[10:19] <fin> lol
[10:19] <fin> nice mixup
[10:20] <fin> you think the kdrive xserver would make much of a speed diffrence over the current xf86 on a k6-2 300?
[10:21] <tseng> fin: er
[10:21] <mdz> michel_v: october 13th is the target
[10:22] <tseng> i last used kdrive many months ago, but it used a framebuffer driver
[10:22] <tseng> very slow compared to even unaccellerated xfree drivers
[10:22] <fin> ah
[10:22] <fin> ok ok
[10:22] <fin> just wondering :)
[10:22] <tseng> there are supposed to be some real drivers now
[10:22] <fin> man i just got my ess1877 sound working, talk about a PITA!
[10:22] <tseng> mostly for ati.
[10:23] <fin> ya, this lappy has a neomagic card
[10:23] <fin> im waiting on my router and wifi card right now so i can get some real work on it going
[10:23] <fin> right now i have it compiling a kernel...
[10:23] <_axel> hmm, i cant even seem to find any RAR file unpacker, not even in universe
[10:24] <_axel> anyone know of any available in ubuntu?
[10:26] <crimsun> _axel: i don't see any in universe
[10:26] <cardador> _axel: a just downloaded it from a debian mirror
[10:26] <cardador> I just*
[10:26] <bskahan> what does ubuntu use for root access in Gnome, gtksu?
[10:27] <Keybuk> gksudo
[10:27] <bskahan> Keybuk: thanks
[10:28] <humanx> does anyone have this bug (cannot open root application) Failed to run time-admin as user root:
[10:28] <humanx>  Child terminated with 1 status
[10:29] <bskahan> humanx: are you using your right password with the first user on the box
[10:29] <humanx> yes
[10:29] <bskahan> funny thing, I was asking about what program that was because the error dialog sucks
[10:29] <humanx> it does that with almost all programs who needs roots access
[10:30] <bskahan> it only does that here if I mistype the password
[10:30] <bskahan> sorry I can't be more helpful
[10:30] <humanx> k thx
[10:32] <hawke> Hello all...having some trouble installing ubuntu on a Blue&White G3, can anyone help?
[10:35] <mako> hawke: i don't have one but i'll give it a shot
[10:36] <mako> hawke: what sort of problem are you having
[10:36] <hawke> yaboot installs, it gives me the menu, it starts booting...
[10:36] <hawke> ...and then complains that it can't find /dev/console
[10:36] <hawke> (after 3 lines of boot messages)
[10:37] <hawke> Just retrying again in expert mode..
[10:37] <hawke> er, finishing the retry that is.
[10:37] <mxpxpod> lamont: around?
[10:38] <hawke> "Starting Ubuntu...
[10:38] <hawke> pivot_root: No such file or dir
[10:38] <hawke>  /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[10:39] <hawke> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
[10:39] <hawke> an' that's it.
[10:41] <hawke> And the installer doesn't find my bmac ethernet, but I can get around that. :-)
[10:41] <punkass> ok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them
[10:42] <hawke> Trying to zero the whole disc, and see what that does.
[10:55] <mako> hawke: yeah, sorry. i don't really know
[10:59] <hawke> mako: No problem, I kinda figured it would not be a quick fix.
[10:59] <hawke> more like a "next version" thing, I suppose. :-/
[11:05] <Xordan> The amd64 iso on the UK server is different to the one on the US server
[11:06] <Xordan> and the one on the UK server doesn't work
[11:08] <Mithrandir> maswan: np, ok. :)
[11:09] <sidney> can anybody tell me how to disable the tapping on my touchpad?
[11:09] <sidney> its really annoying sometimes
[11:15] <hawke> Xordan: I can't download the amd64 iso via bittorrent
[11:16] <Xordan> me neither
[11:16] <hawke> wonder if that's related.
[11:16] <Xordan> dl'ing of the italy server now
[11:16] <Xordan> prehaps
[11:16] <hawke> e.g. some undocumented change to the file, and the seeds weren't updated?
[11:17] <Xordan> hmm
[11:17] <Xordan> I think the Uk servers is corrupt, as it gives me install errors
[11:17] <Xordan> and the torrent on there probably points to that one, which nobody has
[11:19] <Keybuk> bdale: what kernel are you running on your laptop these days?
[11:19] <fin> im compiling the ck8 kernel right now for mine
[11:20] <mako> hawke: i would hold of on that judgetment
[11:21] <hawke> mako: Not a judgement, just speculation.
[11:21] <mako> hawke: wait until someone who does ppc comes back with that
[11:21] <fin> how do i tell grub to set a schedualer?
[11:21] <fin> schedualer=cfq?
[11:21] <fin> i suppose if i spelled it right.....
[11:22] <crimsun> elevator="as"|"cfq"|"deadline"|"noop"
[11:22] <crimsun> See Documentation/as-iosched.txt for details
[11:22] <fin> which would you say is the best for a desktop?
[11:23] <crimsun> i've used "as" just fine for quite long
[11:24] <michel_v> cfq is cool
[11:24] <crimsun> i've never used "cfq" so i can't comment
[11:24] <fin> ya im compiling ck8 in right now
[11:24] <fin> supposed to have some nice cfq options
[11:29] <chapeaurouge> anyone tried to compile the bcm4400 driver?
[11:34] <AP> weird, the hardware auto mounter stopped working...
[11:46] <hawke> Heh, completely wiping the drive didn't help either.  Amazingly.
[11:51] <LeeColleton> hawke: I haven't really been following what you're saying, but when I was installing Ubuntu on my X30 thinkpad it somehow locked up the ethernet controller until I completely shutdown and restarted.  This happened on install and twice subsequently during operation.  Did you turn your machine all the way off?
[11:55] <jomohke_> Awake yet, jdub?
[11:55] <jomohke_> Anyone else from sydney that may be able to help?
[11:56] <aes> boo
[11:56] <tvon> I'm having a sound issue on my fresh desktop install.  It seems my bttv card is getting setup as sound card 0, and my sound card is getting setup as sound card 1
[11:56] <aes> sorry, wrong channel
[11:56] <tvon> so, /dev/dsp = bttv card and /dev/dsp1 = sound card
[11:56] <tvon> however everything seems to want to use /dev/dsp
[11:56] <tvon> wich sucks
[11:57] <aes> one nice trick is to run gstreamer-properties
[11:58] <aes> That affects everything using gstreamer, like totem, rhythmbox, etc.
[11:58] <tvon> gstreamer-properties cant produce any sound
[11:58] <bdale> Keybuk: on the nc4000?
[11:58] <bdale> Keybuk: locally-built <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:59] <aes> tvon: if you set it to custom and type "osssink device=/dev/dsp1" ?
[11:59] <tvon> aes: thanks, that works :)
[11:59] <aes> cool :)
[11:59] <tvon> though, enemy territory still wants /dev/dsp
[12:00] <tvon> but tehres an option there somewheres...


[01:03] <Eickmeyer> Uh... yeah. heh
[01:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Got something fun: bug 1888588
[04:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: after reading: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PinePhone_v1.1_-_Braveheart
[04:45] <OvenWerks> I don't feel so bad
[04:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think the bugs I have already deal with that too... but I will add that to the list.
[04:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Honestly, the amount of bugs in SC isn't so bad considering.
[05:19] <OvenWerks> at least one of them has been there since fist release :)
[05:20] <OvenWerks> it takes people really using it to point some of these out
[05:25] <Eickmeyer> Exactly, which is why I wasn't shying-away from doing a release.
[05:50] <OvenWerks> can we remove notes.txt? I think changelog covers it.
[06:04] <OvenWerks> I think I will default phones device to none.... unless I can find an easy way to detect what internal audio is called (INTEL, PCH, GENERIC, etc.)
[14:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: My work with the firewire stuff and other complex audio devices, has convinced me that the way alsa presents mixer controls is not very good. Alsamixer does not even show all controls if there are more than 9 channels and on top of that present those first 9 as 3 stereo sets and 3 mono channels. Alsamixer also is not able to group more than 2 sets of controls per channel, level
[14:24] <OvenWerks> and mute.
[14:27] <OvenWerks> QASMixer is better in that it does show all the controls at least and it does not group a set of controls in bits of stereo and mono. (it will gang the whole group of 12 or whatever controls though)
[14:33] <OvenWerks> But QASMixer is hard to navigate when there are a lot of controls for a device.
[14:36] <OvenWerks> All that to say... one of my next projects will likely be studio-mixer... which may be a fork of qasmixer or not depending on the toolkit I use for the GUI.
[14:39] <OvenWerks> I expect that where the device allows it will have mixer strips that gather all strip controls in one strip. If meters are available they will be included too.
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: re: notes.txt, sure.
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> studio-mixer sounds interesting. I'm sure there would be a ton of benefit to that.
[21:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: controls 2.0.1 pushed (you can change that to 2.1.0 if that works better) Take a look.
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> Nah, 2.0.1 is fine.
[21:33] <OvenWerks> 5 items in the change
[21:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I haven't tagged
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> I tagged. Building the package for upload now.
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> BTW, Focal builds are fixed.
[22:40] <OvenWerks> I saw that, how soon to the pont release?
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> A week or two.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> good that it works then
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'd been bugging the release team about it for some time. The problem was caused by me adding linux-lowlatency to lowlatency-settings recommends, but they found a way to keep that from being a problem in the future.


[09:45] <JonathanD> morning
[10:08] <rmg51> Morning
[10:08] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[10:09] <rmg51> o/
[13:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[14:02] <lazypower> morning gentlemen
[14:04] <JonathanD> Morning.
[14:14] <ChinnoDog> morning
[14:43] <ChinnoDog> There is only kerchunking on w3wan today
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> An automated way to know if you can hit the repeater would fix this.
[15:38] <KyleYankan> OR y'know - put a CQ out and ask for a signal report.
[15:39] <ChinnoDog> That is obviously too much work for some people
[15:39] <KyleYankan> Kerchunking happens by people enjoying button pressin, or errant microphones/HT's bouncing around usually
[16:07] <jedijf> or that weirdo from u of p - i think they found wan
[16:08] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: make a contact yet?
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> no
[16:09]  * jedijf monitors w3wan ..been on u of p all morning - except 5-6 was on wan
[16:11] <jedijf> KyleYankan: n2icv said 'you're cool' yesterday - i quickly corrected him
[16:11] <KyleYankan> jedijf: Thanks, I don't want any rumors to spread.
[16:12] <jedijf> KyleYankan: mailing list drama - crazy people
[16:12] <jedijf> OT not 'allowed' has created ....drama
[16:13] <KyleYankan> hah. I need to get on that list sometime
[16:14] <jedijf> KyleYankan: all you have to do is email n2icv at hotmail and ask - he likes you, you'll get link - might take a bit, but he'll ok you
[16:14] <KyleYankan> will hop on it in 2 minutes
[16:15] <KyleYankan> Also a old firehouse buddy is studying to get his tech
[16:15] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: testing at fosscon? come on man, we're almost there right?
[16:16] <KyleYankan> i still dont know any VE's, but jedijf is a better networker than I :-P
[16:33] <ChinnoDog> jedijf is a better networker than all of us.
[16:40] <waltman> As part of my continuing effort to connect to Kids These Days, today's lecture on polymorphism referenced Ylvis.
[16:43] <ChinnoDog> Who is that?
[16:44] <jedijf> JonathanD: it's pretty much a done deal - testing at FOSSCON - there will be some amateur radio stuff at FOSSCON
[16:49] <JonathanD> jedijf: hardware and radio mini-track
[16:51] <jedijf> well there are many subjects that cross - raspberry pi - sdr - etc
[16:51] <jedijf> so yeah, as i network, fosscon constantly comes up
[16:51] <jedijf> imagine that
[16:52] <jedijf> JonathanD: fedora is a VE
[16:53] <JonathanD> jedijf: is that cause you bring it up? ::P
[16:53] <JonathanD> jedijf: tonight is radio night at PLUG north.
[16:53] <JonathanD> send em all over.
[17:04] <jedijf> JonathanD: waiting for fosscon - don't want to waste their enthusiasm - want it all to be to fosscon's advantage
[17:04] <jedijf> and gives me time to build it up
[17:19] <waltman> ChinnoDog: They're the band who do the viral video "What Does The Fox Say?"
[17:19] <waltman> which you really need to watch if you haven't seen it
[17:19] <waltman> it seems they're really a norwegian comedy duo.
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> I've seen it but I didn't remember that was their name.
[17:22] <jedijf> what does the fox say?
[17:25] <JonathanD> a bunch of wierd stuff that I don't really believe foxes say.
[17:27] <waltman> it's an impressively bizarre video
[17:28] <jedijf> i love it actually
[17:47] <JonathanD> going to break my video again now.
[17:52] <JonathanD> graphics broken again
[17:53] <InHisName1> There's a christmas decorated yard that uses that song, real cute to see on you tube.
[17:55] <JonathanD> \o/
[17:55] <JonathanD> compiz working with dual monitor!
[17:56] <lazypower> JonathanD: Congrats!
[18:01] <JonathanD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation
[18:01] <JonathanD> was the fix
[18:04] <lazypower> JonathanD: you should put that up on askubuntu so others can benefit from your work
[18:09] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[18:11] <lazypower> Greetings SamuraiAlba
[18:11] <SamuraiAlba> How is it going?
[18:18] <lazypower> Forward :)
[18:24] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[18:24] <SamuraiAlba> I'm debating installing email service on my Centos server for my domains
[19:30] <lazypower> I find running my own email server for anything beyond machine messaging is a chore. So i let google do it for me