[12:42] <bazhang> !vivid
[12:47] <bazhang> kreenic is back, super
[12:47] <bazhang> like a psychoticwarrrior but less nice


[02:35] <Zep713> Just wondering where the download for Ubuntu Unity is. Am brand new to Linux. Have downloaded Ubuntu, and wish to use Unity as my desktop. On the site, there is no link to a download, whereas there is a link on the other Desktop Sites for Ubuntu.
[04:14] <smspillaz> Trevinho: around?
[04:15] <smspillaz> and / or bregma


[13:54] <bregma> investigating lp:827958
[14:03] <cnd> bregma, which is that?
[14:05] <bregma> libgrip crash at gdk_x11_window_get_xid() in eog
[14:05] <bregma> looks like a latent bug in eog
[14:06] <bregma> can't be sure 'til I've tracked it down
[14:07] <cnd> yeah
[14:07] <cnd> bregma, seb128 is hounding me about it
[14:07] <cnd> I asked Satoris to take a look
[14:07] <bregma> saw that, that's why I'm looking at it
[14:07] <cnd> cool
[14:09] <Satoris> I think a good step would be to reproduce it on a build that does not have the utouch patch.
[14:10] <bregma> indeed
[14:10] <cnd> it would be great if we could do that :)
[14:10] <bregma> I'm working on that now:  I can reproduce it with the current binary
[14:10]  * cnd is selfish
[14:10] <cnd> oh, that's good
[14:10] <cnd> I didn't know how hard it would be to reproduce
[14:11] <bregma> I do note that there are many warnings emitted because some functions return NULL and there are no logic checks for tat
[14:11] <cnd> bregma, in our code?
[14:11] <bregma> no, in eog
[14:12] <bregma> most functions check their parameters and return erly instead of having logic that handles the error condition where it occurs
[14:12] <bregma> libgrip instead assumes it is handed valid data
[14:14] <bregma> I think this is the cause of the problem, libgrip assumes object invariants hold, eog does not and checks validity of everything all the time
[14:14] <bregma> different design philosophies
[14:15] <cnd> ahh
[15:34] <bregma> there is definitely a logic error in libgrip involving maze of twisty little passages, all different
[16:40] <cnd> bregma, does that mean you can't repro without the libgrip addition?
[16:43] <bregma> correct
[16:43] <cnd> ok
[16:44] <bregma> it looks like a widget and its toplevel get out of synch somehow during a convoluted sequence of signals
[16:44] <bregma> it's a matter of making sure everything is lined up nicely before trying to get actual X11 info
[16:45] <bregma> it is indeed a little maze of twisty passages, all different


[13:48] <snd> Eickmeyer: heya, i have a strong cold since wednesday so i was basically afk but now finally uploaded mixxx
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> snd: Awesome, thanks! I had some people asking about the new version.
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Fix your connection?
[16:04] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Issue with vhost


[02:04] <slangasek> infinity: ok - not really in a position to add the hint for bash now, could you add it when you get a chance?  (or else I'll try to get it later)
[02:18] <infinity> slangasek: Unless I get a lightdm fix, I'm not seeing massive arguments to respin anyway (respinning for security fixes that we can just release 5m after the images publish isn't worth it)
[02:19] <infinity> slangasek: So, we'll see what people come up with for lightdm later tonight.
[05:52] <slangasek> infinity: is that an argument for not accepting them in?  I don't follow
[05:57] <mdeslaur> there's going to be another bash update in the next few hours, FWIW
[06:04] <infinity> slangasek: No, more just an "if you were accepting it to get it on the images, it might not do so".
[06:05] <slangasek> right, I don't care about the images which are always out of date the instant they arrive :)
[07:23] <mlankhorst> infinity: hey should mesa be moved to main?
[07:23] <infinity> mlankhorst: By "main", do you mean release?
[07:23] <mlankhorst> yeah
[07:24] <infinity> At some point, yes.
[07:24] <mlankhorst> ok
[07:57] <jamespage> Laney: morning
[07:58] <jamespage> Laney: going back to our xstatic conversation last week, would it be more paletable for horizon to re-bundle the xstatic dependencies its split out for this cycle? thus avoiding lots of delta with Debian and minimizing the security footprint of Horizon JS dependencies in Ubuntu main
[08:09] <jibel> jodh, good morning, seb128 assigned bug 1371651 to you. Are you actively looking at it? Is there more information I can provide?
[08:09] <ubot2> bug 1371651 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Daily does not boot into graphical interface after installation" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371651
[08:44] <Riddell> kubuntu plasma 5 isn't on the iso tracker for beta 2, can someone remind me how to add it?
[08:53] <Riddell> syslinux still has no option for OEM and a random "back" entry
[10:29] <jodh> jibel: Just updated the bug. I'm not seeing the issue with 20140923. Do you?
[10:31] <jibel> jodh, I reproduced with 20140923. It's easier to reproduce with vbox than qemu. On qemu it happens once every 5 boots or so
[10:31] <jodh> jibel: sounds like a kernel issue then. I don't believe it's upstart that's the problem here.
[10:32] <jodh> jibel: can you reproduce on amd64?
[10:33] <jodh> jibel: the bug has been tagged amd64 but nobody seems to have seen the problem on amd64 right?
[10:33] <cjwatson> Riddell: yeah, I see I've just been handed a critical bug for that, I've been meaning to poke at that :-/
[10:33] <jodh> jibel: oh I see, elfy presumably has seen it on amd64.
[10:33] <jibel> jodh, let me try on amd64
[10:44] <jibel> jodh, same problem on amd64
[10:45] <jodh> jibel: can we get a list of packages that have changed between the 2014-09-19 image and the previous one?
[10:46] <jodh> jibel: doing a reboot loop to try to recreate atm...
[10:57] <jodh> jibel: just updated the bug. can you recreate if "quiet splash" is not specified in /etc/default/grub ?
[11:01] <jibel> jodh, without "quiet splash" lightdm always starts. tried on 5 boots
[11:02] <jodh> jibel: that's what I'm seeing. I tried a lot more boots too. So that suggests it's a kernel issue.
[11:11] <Laney> jamespage: It might be - would that avoid the need for all of the xstatic deltas?
[11:11] <Laney> Sorry for the slow reply
[11:11] <Laney> I'd still prefer a second opinion. :)
[11:11] <jamespage> Laney: yes it would
[11:12] <jibel> apw, can you help on bug 1371651 ?
[11:12] <ubot2> bug 1371651 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Daily does not boot into graphical interface after installation" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371651
[11:12] <Laney> I find the "re-bundle because we don't want to offer full security support" to be a bit uncomfortable
[11:13] <Laney> like we've got your back if you use the libraries through xstatic but not directly
[11:13] <Laney> but I could be out of whack on this hence asking for someone else to think
[11:18] <jamespage> Laney: did you see jdstrand's comment last week?
[11:19] <Laney> Yeah
[11:20] <jamespage> Laney: so essential what we're doing by bundling all of the xstatic bits in horizon is maintaining the status-quo
[11:20] <jamespage> as in that's exactly what horizon upstream where doing last cycle
[11:36] <rtg> can someone please approve linux 3.16.0-18.25 in the Utopic queue ?
[11:45] <cyphermox> could someone please review and release wpa? it's an important fix for roaming issues
[12:13] <elfy> jodh: yea - definitely seen it on both 32 and 64 bit assuming you're talking about 137165, one of the xubuntu testers first found it on the 19th October Daily
[12:14] <elfy> and without quiet splash I still had the same issue
[12:20] <elfy> jodh: to confirm that last - in vb 64bit without quiet splash - it drops to tty1 on boot
[12:21] <elfy> service lightdm status = stop/waiting
[12:31] <jodh> elfy: ok, please could you capture that detail on the bug?
[12:34] <elfy> added the stop/waiting - but I did say I was landing at tty1 in comment at the beginning of the week
[12:34] <elfy> bbl
[12:50] <jdstrand> Laney: fyi, I looked at the new horizon approach from jamespage. security team is ok with it (since, as mentioned, it is the status quo wrt support)
[13:39] <Laney> jdstrand: Seems okay to me if you guys are happy with that
[13:40] <jdstrand> Laney: well, it is hard to be happy about embedded code copies, however, it is maintaining the status quo and we already had this discussion in the horizon MIR several cycles ago
[13:44] <Laney> Well, indeed, embedded code copies was my original unhappiness
[13:44] <Laney> It's relative... :)
[13:46] <jodh> jibel: any news from the kernel team?
[13:47] <jibel> jodh, no.
[13:47] <jibel> apw, around?
[13:47] <jodh> jibel: how about trying a problematic image with an older kernel to see if it's recreatable?
[13:51] <arges> cjwatson: the bash security update (4.3-9ubuntu2) seems to be stuck in proposed.
[14:07] <cjwatson> arges: up to infinity whether to unblock it, as he's driving the final beta
[14:14] <ogra_> infinity, drive faster !
[14:14]  * ogra_ needs the hud from unapproved :P
[14:14] <zequence2> In case anyone wonders, Ubuntu Studio testing for the i386 will be finished no later than about 2h from. Hope that's cool with everyone.
[14:15] <zequence2> 2h from now, that is
[14:16] <apw> jibel, i am looking at that now, do i see you saying that after install on reboot (on kvm) it will occur one in 5 as well?
[14:18] <jibel> jibel, yes approximately on kvm it's reproducible 20% of the time, on vbox it's 100%.
[14:19] <apw> jibel, that seems likley to turn out to be two different issues; but we shall see
[14:20] <jibel> apw, ok, for the moment i'd like to understand the scope and impact of the problem to know if it's a ship-stopper for beta 2 or not
[14:20] <apw> jibel, yep, working on that, when you have it in vbox what is the frambuffer normally called for that
[14:24] <jibel> apw, how do I know?
[14:24] <apw> lsmod | grep fb perhaps
[14:27] <jibel> apw, this command returns nothing, but dmesg tells, vesafb and it uses fb0
[14:30] <apw> vesafb that seems reasonable, and available as far as i can see... odd
[14:32] <infinity> jibel: If it's only happening in VMs, I'm inclined to not call it a ship-stopper.
[14:33] <infinity> jibel: (I was hoping a fix would be sorted out by now, but I don't see it worth delaying the beta by a day or more)
[14:43] <infinity> apw: The lack of vesa in lsmod would be because of CONFIG_FB_VESA=y
[14:43] <infinity> (Was that always true?  I could have sworn it used to be a module)
[14:45] <ogra_> yeah, it used to be
[14:51] <cjwatson> we've gone back and forward on that iirc
[15:04] <infinity> jibel: Can we generally confirm that this lightdm/fb/plymouth/whatever issue doesn't seem to happen on real hardware?
[15:04] <infinity> jibel: If it's limited to VMs, I'm inclined to not care for B2, and then hunt people down to make sure it's fixed ASAP afterward, since it affects testing.
[15:06] <jibel> infinity, I didn't see any report on HW and didn't reproduce on HW either, nor omer. So it seems limited to VMs and affecting vbox more than others.
[15:07] <jibel> infinity, the workaround is simple, press esc on boot to display the boot menu or remove "quiet splash" or start lightdm manually
[15:07] <infinity> jibel: Right, I care about virtualbox very little, free desktop VMs a bit more (because of testers), and server VMs a lot more, who aren't affected.
[15:08] <infinity> jibel: elfy claimed he could reproduce even without quite/splash, which seemed a bit sketchy.
[15:08] <infinity> jibel: But either way, if it's only VMs, it's not a blocker for me.
[15:08] <arges> infinity: according to the bug report it also affects KVM VMs
[15:09] <jibel> infinity, on another topic, what's your opinion on the lack of OEM option in the boot menu?
[15:09] <jibel> infinity, bug 1334189
[15:09] <ubot2> bug 1334189 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "pre-boot menu offers no OEM mode on Utopic live images" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334189
[15:10] <infinity> jibel: Again not a beta blocker, but seems like a regression we should want fixed.
[15:10] <cjwatson> I intend to fix that, there's just only one of me :)
[15:11] <infinity> cjwatson: Hire that Evan guy.
[15:14] <jamespage> Laney, jdstrand: ^^ horizon as we discussed; I'll deal with the sync request FFe's now
[15:15] <Laney> Ta
[15:15] <jdstrand> nice!
[15:15] <Laney> I'll leave it to be flushed out after beta if you don't mind
[15:16] <jdstrand> fyi, apparmor upload is to fix a small policy bug and more importantly updates the lxc Breaks version
[15:38] <jamespage> Laney: fine - its not on any of the images...
[15:39] <Laney> ah, even better, then the auto accept script should do it
[15:40]  * Laney looks suspiciously at it
[15:47] <elfy> infinity: it doesn't matter what I do - unless I'm either booting with systemd or manually starting lightdm - it doesn't work here
[15:47] <Laney> Oh
[15:47] <Laney> It's doing an 'is this in any packageset?' check too
[15:48] <Laney> Is that useful in addition to seeded-in-ubuntu?
[15:50] <elfy> infinity: and what did you mean by sketchy?
[15:59] <jamespage> Laney: its seeded in the server-supported seed
[15:59] <jamespage> so won't auto-accept
[16:00] <Laney> I thought auto-accept was accepting everything not on images
[16:01] <jamespage> Laney: that would be nice :-) but I don't think that's the case
[16:01] <jamespage> Laney: have neutron in the queue as well - same situation
[16:04] <infinity> Laney: No.
[16:04] <infinity> Laney: auto-accept is meant to be "the stuff people probably don't care about specifically", hence !packagesets.
[16:07] <Laney> Why does the release team care that I care about pinta?
[16:09] <infinity> Laney: It's a rough guess, erring on the side of caution.
[16:09] <infinity> Laney: Generally, if someone cared enough to add something to a packageset, they should care enough to give it an extra level of review before release.
[16:13] <arges> infinity: hey. can you approve the bash update 4.3-9ubuntu2 ? it has that security fix and seems to be held in -proposed
[16:13] <Riddell> infinity: do you know how I can get Kubuntu Plasma 5 on the beta2 iso testing page?
[16:14] <infinity> Riddell: Ask stgraber nicely, the ISO tracker is a mystery to me.
[16:14]  * Riddell bats eyelids at stgraber
[16:14] <infinity> arges: There's another upload coming anyway, but we can let it through if people are panicking about their unsupported development system having a security bug for a day.
[16:14] <Riddell> anyway, beta 2 is good for kubuntu and kubuntu-plasma5
[16:15] <infinity> Riddell: Oh, hrm, I never built plasma5 images, I guess you were testing the previous day's dailies.
[16:15] <infinity> Riddell: I suppose the only major change there was a kernel bump, if you're happy with what you tested, meh.
[16:16] <Riddell> I didn't notice any problems, anything specific in that kernel bump?
[16:16] <infinity> Riddell: Just your usual march of kernel uploady progress.
[16:16] <stgraber> Riddell: I suspect it's just not on the manifest, let me check
[16:17] <stgraber> hmm, no, it is...
[16:17] <infinity> stgraber: It could be on the manifest, but since I never rebuilt the images, it never would have landed.
[16:17] <infinity> ie: All my fault.
[16:17] <stgraber> infinity: ah, yeah, that'd certainly explain it :)
[16:17] <infinity> (I didn't realise plasma5 was in the releasy set)
[16:17] <stgraber> Riddell: blame infinity :)
[16:18]  * infinity feels adequately blamed.
[16:18]  * Riddell finds himself in a maze of twisty blame corridors all alike
[16:18] <infinity> Riddell: So I'm well-informed for next month, do you intend to *release* -plasma5 as well, or were you just doing milestones to keep tabs on progress?
[16:20] <Riddell> infinity: yes we'd like a release
[16:20] <infinity> Riddell: Alright, good to know. :)
[16:20] <Riddell> we will but appropriately large "tech preview, don't expect any suport" labels all over it
[16:23] <wxl> infinity arges is this for 14.10?
[16:23] <infinity> wxl: "this"?
[16:23] <infinity> wxl: Oh, bash?  Yeah.
[16:24] <wxl> infinity: yep, cool, thx. :)
[16:24] <stgraber> Riddell: do you want to release the current image (September 22)? if so, I can copy that over to beta-2
[16:25] <Riddell> stgraber: yeah
[16:25] <stgraber> infinity: note that the naming of the plasma 5 image makes publish-image-set very unhappy (either it'll refuse to print you anything or it'll just crash)
[16:25] <infinity> stgraber: You didn't fix that when doing B1?
[16:26] <infinity> stgraber: I'll fix it when it explodes, then.
[16:26] <arges> wxl: yea
[16:27] <wxl> infinity arges is there a bug related to this that i can watch?
[16:29] <infinity> Oddly enough, I don't see one.
[16:29] <wxl> arges: sounds like you got a job to do :) ^
[16:29] <infinity> Oh, but this is the bug for the new upload that hasn't happened: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/1373781
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1373781 in bash (Ubuntu) "bash incomplete fix for CVE-2014-6271" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:30] <infinity> wxl: Not sure how that would be arges's job.
[16:30]  * arges is googling for the CVE it exists somewhere
[16:30] <wxl> infinity: he brought attentiopn to it, so ;)
[16:31] <arges> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/1373688
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1373688 in bash (Ubuntu) "Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:31] <infinity> wxl: Yeah, I think mdeslaur must have slipped him something under the table.
[16:31] <arges> wxl: ^^
[16:31] <wxl> heheheh
[16:31] <wxl> thanks guys!
[16:32] <stgraber> infinity: no, I just did things manually for beta-1
[16:32] <stgraber> infinity: I didn't find a good way to fix the script because the problem is that the product name is just wrong :)
[16:33] <infinity> stgraber: Which?  kubuntu-plasma5, or some pretty name?
[16:33] <stgraber> infinity: I can quickly fix it now though. We need to rename the product on the tracker from "Kubuntu Plasma 5 <arch>" to "Kubuntu Plasma 5 Desktop <arch>" so it matches our regexp a bit better, then update the list on cdimage to match and then add it to the regexp in the script
[16:34] <infinity> stgraber: Ahh, so the silly pretty names.  Check.
[16:34] <stgraber> yeah
[16:34] <infinity> stgraber: If you know what needs fixing, please fix so it's not a panick in a month.
[16:34] <infinity> Or a panic.
[16:35] <stgraber> doing
[16:39] <stgraber> Riddell: go file some results :)
[16:40] <stgraber> tracker and nusakan updated for the name fix, now looking at ubuntu-archive-tools
[16:41] <stgraber> Riddell: I'm going to mark plasma-5 ready for a few minutes so I can test my fix
[16:41] <Riddell> stgraber: it's ready, I'm done testing
[16:42] <Riddell> so just keep it marked ready
[16:42] <stgraber> ok
[16:43] <stgraber> infinity: publish-image-set fixed and tested
[16:44] <infinity> Shiny.
[16:45] <stgraber> infinity: oh, and one thing I've been working on lately is making sure we've got two contacts for each product on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/43/manifest, I suspect there are a bunch more (Canonical flavors) that need updating, let me know if you see some of those and know who should be the right sign-off contacts
[16:45] <stgraber> that should save us some time on release week too
[16:46] <stgraber> looking at it, I think we need some updates to netboot, desktop, core and server
[16:46] <infinity> stgraber: Well, netboot/armhf has a contact that no longer works for us, nor is involved in the community. ;)
[16:46] <stgraber> zequence: do you have any fallback contact for ubuntu studio sign-off when you're not around?
[16:47] <infinity> stgraber: core is a joke, and I can always test and sign off on all of them.
[16:47] <infinity> stgraber: And netboot, despite being in the "manifest" isn't something we'd ever not ship.
[16:47] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, netboot is basically, we need someone to confirm that d-i isn't busted in the archive (out of sync with kernels or the like)
[16:47] <infinity> stgraber: (ie: it's a mistake based on misunderstanding of other people that it was ever in a go/no-go ship manifest)
[16:48] <infinity> stgraber: Anyhow, I think it's realistic to make the responsible parties for netboot be the usual d-i upload suspects.
[16:48] <stgraber> but yeah, we can't not release it, but it's something we need to confirm is good before we release, so might as well be on the checklist
[16:49] <infinity> stgraber: We can hunt down QA people for answers on what they've tested, but ultimately it'd be me, Colin, et al who make the call if it's busted or not.
[16:49] <infinity> stgraber: It was always a complete fiction that the other people listed there were in any way signing off on it. :P
[16:49] <stgraber> infinity: ok, so I'll update all of core to be you and Steve as a fallback and all of the netboot to be you and Colin as fallback
[16:50] <infinity> stgraber: For bonus points, can those names be hyperlinks to LP accounts, in case someone's not on IRC and I want to throw email at them?
[16:51] <infinity> A hypothetical me, there, I think *I* know how to email everyone on that list, but I doubt that's universally true.
[16:51] <stgraber> infinity: maybe, I don't know if I do any kind of html stripping in that field :)
[16:52] <zequence> stgraber: Not currently, no
[16:54] <stgraber> zequence: is that something you think you can change or do you really want to be the only one in control of studio sign-off for release?
[16:55] <stgraber> willcooke: hey there, I assume you're the new sign-off for Ubuntu Desktop, can you nominate a fallback too?
[16:55] <willcooke> stgraber, seb128 is the natural choice
[16:55] <stgraber> willcooke: ok, thanks
[16:55] <willcooke> np
[16:56] <stgraber> jamespage: heya, you're the current sign-off for Ubuntu Server. Is that still accurate? if so, I'd need the name for a fallback, if that's not accurate, I'll need two names :)
[16:57] <infinity> Dangit, have we still not killed amd64+mac server images?
[16:57] <jamespage> stgraber, smoser, gaughen or me
[16:57] <infinity> We should do that.
[16:57] <jamespage> stgraber, that covers most timezones
[16:57] <jamespage> apart from apac
[16:58] <infinity> jamespage: We're civilised people who would never release at, say, midnight Hawaii time, so you're safe.
[16:58]  * infinity whistles.
[16:58] <stgraber> jamespage: ok, I'll like gaughen / smoser / jamespage for the contact order, that matches what we do for the other Canonical flavors (manager / techlead / timezone fallback) :)
[16:58] <Laney> TZ=Pacific/Johnston mutt
[16:58] <stgraber> hmm, not sure what my brain was doing there :)
[16:58] <stgraber> s/like/put/
[16:58] <Laney> that was my mutt invocation for alpha 2
[16:59] <gaughen> works for me stgraber
[17:00] <stgraber> infinity: there we go, the manifest is now all shiny. The only SPOF we have there is zequence, hopefully he'll find a fallback soon or will make sure to stay awake for the whole release day :)
[17:01] <infinity> Laney: I did one on Honolulu time, which is the same thing, apparently. ;)
[17:01] <infinity> stgraber: I have every confidence in zequence not letting us down.
[17:02] <infinity> zequence: Please avoid crossing streets anywhere near busses.
[17:12] <zequence> I'm probably too crazy in traffic to be trusted with this responsibility
[17:22] <jdstrand> where are the release notes for utopic? I looked here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes (doesn't exist) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases (no link)
[17:23] <stgraber> beta 2 is usually the first milestone to ship using the central release notes page, so my guess is that nobody created it yet
[17:24] <jdstrand> i see
[17:27] <infinity> jdstrand: did you just volunteer?
[17:27] <jdstrand> I can
[17:28] <infinity> jdstrand: (Not astually as hard as it sounds, copy and paste from Trusty, empty 99% of it out, add the two things you cared about, done)
[17:28] <jdstrand> yeah, that is what I figured
[17:28] <infinity> jdstrand: I'd love the help, if you'd like to be helpful. :)
[17:28] <jdstrand> sure, I'll do it
[17:28] <infinity> \o/
[17:28] <jdstrand> it is almost the least I could do
[17:29] <infinity> I shall go find breakfast, or whatever meal it is when you haven't slept since yesterday morning.
[17:34] <mdeslaur> infinity: crack an egg into a red bull
[17:35] <infinity> mdeslaur: That sounds like death in a cup.
[17:37] <mdeslaur> infinity: make sure your will is up-to-date
[17:38]  * ogra_ wonders when ben collins managed to conquer mdeslaur's IRC nick
[17:38] <ogra_> ah, wait, that would be an egg in redbull inside a beer
[17:39] <mdeslaur> oh wow, people actually do that?
[17:39] <mdeslaur> without having a heart attack?
[17:39] <ogra_> ben does the most dangerous combos, yeah
[17:40] <ogra_> you might get a heart attack, but since you also get a blackout you wont remember ... so no worries
[17:41] <mdeslaur> lol
[17:57] <jdstrand> infinity: ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes points to it
[17:57] <jdstrand> meh
[17:57] <jdstrand> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases points to it
[17:57] <infinity> \o/
[17:59] <infinity> I'm going to watch some breakfast while I eat my TV, and then give that a once-over while I wait for a bit more testing to roll in, then we should be releasy soonish.
[18:03] <zequence> Had a corrupted iso before, which held me back a  bit. I should be ready within an hour with the last Studio testing
[18:04] <elfy> zequence: you want me to do anything?
[18:05] <elfy> not doing anymore xubuntu stuff at this stage
[18:08] <zequence> elfy: That's ok. I'm just about to test the final iso
[18:12] <elfy> ok
[18:17] <elfy> infinity: so I assume Mark as Ready - even though the lightdm/or whatever in vm issue
[18:25] <infinity> elfy: Yeah, we're going to ignore that issue and fix it ASAP after the beta.
[18:29] <elfy> infinity: okey doke
[18:48] <zequence> stgraber: No one else is currently both active and even faintly knowledgable, but I do agree that it would be good if there were someone who could step in
[18:49] <zequence> Anyway, I'm finally done testing.
[19:20] <bdmurray> Could an SRU team member look at releasing aptdaemon in trusty - bug 1324833?
[19:20] <ubot2> bug 1324833 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Trusty) "crash handler does not include package version" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1324833
[19:29] <bdmurray> arges: maybe you could look at releasing aptdaemon to trusty-updates?
[19:29] <arges> bdmurray: sure one second
[19:35] <arges> bdmurray: ok done.
[19:37] <jibel> infinity, apart the broken boot menu, the plymouth issue and a network driver issue, ubuntu desktop looks okay-ish.
[19:37] <jibel> network driver on mac only
[19:44] <infinity> Network driver issue?  I missed that one.
[19:49] <jibel> infinity, dave had problems installing bcmwl
[19:51] <infinity> wxl: How's lubuntu looking?
[19:51] <davmor2> infinity: on mac I select 3rd party drivers but get no wifi post install
[19:52] <infinity> davmor2: Fun.  Kay.  Didn't see a bug linked from the tracker for that.  I assume you filed one, though?
[19:52] <wxl> infinity: gimme a sec it's been a busy day :/
[19:52] <davmor2> infinity: no was confirming it with another install filing it now, I'm assuming it is ubiquity right?
[19:54] <infinity> davmor2: Probably not, but that'll do for a placeholder while we try to decide who's really at fault.
[19:54] <infinity> davmor2: Please grab installer logs, etc, since we might be debugging blind.
[19:56] <wxl> infinity: are we calling things confirmed despite https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651 ? :)
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1371651 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Daily does not boot into graphical interface after installation" [Critical,Triaged]
[19:56] <wxl> s/confirmed/ready/
[19:57] <jibel> wxl, yes, we'll ignore it this time and fix ASAP after beta
[19:57] <elfy> apw: just tried the ppa for that - not working for me here - commented in bug
[20:01] <wxl> so i'd like to ask someone's advice on this: i have a couple partially tested images that worked fine for beta 1. should i call them good? apparently we had plenty of ppc testers but not so much elsewhere :( speaking of ppc, it doesn't boot on 32 and is untested from what i know on 64, so i'm not calling it ready
[20:01] <infinity> wxl: If it was untested on 64-bit entirely then yeah, it shouldn't be released.
[20:02] <infinity> wxl: We'll have it fixed on 32-bit tomorrow, so people can test on their G4s again.
[20:02] <wxl> infinity: but like amd64 and i386 are not fully tested for all testcases. i'm inclined to call it good, since beta1 was fine, but that may be an error of judgement. that's really waht i need some advice on.
[20:03] <infinity> wxl: As for "partially tested", the bare minimum that I figure a flavour needs to do is "boot, install, reboot -- computer didn't explode".  I'll release anything in that state, if you ask me to, the rest of the bugs are yours.
[20:03] <elfy> lol
[20:04] <wxl> yeah :/
[20:04] <knome> pretty much agree with that.
[20:04] <elfy> from my point of view I am happy that the bugs we've got aren't ours to fix :)
[20:04] <infinity> wxl: Basically, beyond "it boots and installs stuff and doesn't actively harm users", I leave further discretion to the flavour leads about the quality they want or care about in their releases.
[20:04] <wxl> someone is running a testcase on amd64 now
[20:04]  * wxl facepalms
[20:05] <wxl> amd64 is the real bummer since there is no alternate testing of any kind and the only passed testcase is the for live session
[20:05] <wxl> i guess i can't call it ready
[20:06] <wxl> so i guess i'm done infinity :(
[20:06] <infinity> wxl: You've got time, I'm still wrangling paperwork and source CDs.
[20:06] <wxl> infinity: how much time?
[20:06] <infinity> wxl: Find a guinea pig to smoketest your amd64 alternate in the next hour. ;)
[20:07] <infinity> (or two)
[20:07] <cjwatson> That's loads of time, for the warty preview I smoketested amd64/i386/powerpc in I think 30 minutes end to end :)
[20:07] <cjwatson> From end of image production
[20:08] <wxl> cjwatson: hey we can't ALL be cool as you :)
[20:09] <jibel> wxl, what do you want to test, lubuntu alternate amd64?
[20:09] <cjwatson> that was ten years ago, I was just a guy with too many computers in his bedroom
[20:09] <cjwatson> not the international man of mystery I am now
[20:10] <wxl> jibel: yes that would be a great start thank you
[20:10] <knome> you mean you are still the same guy, but covered in the fog of mystery? ;)
[20:10] <jibel> wxl, okay, syncing
[20:11] <wxl> thank you
[20:11] <cjwatson> knome: some kind of fog anyway
[20:11] <knome> hehe :)
[20:15] <davmor2> infinity: bug #1374126 do you need anything else? I added the installer syslog
[20:15] <ubot2> bug 1374126 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "mac is not installing bcmwl even though 3rd party drivers is selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374126
[20:17] <davmor2> battery dying no charger nearby arrrggghhh I hate having to pack my office
[20:18] <knome> davmor2, let me fix that for you... s/having to pack//
[20:18] <knome> :]
[20:20] <davmor2> knome: the council is our landlord they are rewiring our property as well as ripping out and refitting the bathroom and kitchen, we've been packing for the lst 2 weeks they start tomorrow my office is last cause I still need to work tomorrow, not fun :)
[20:21] <knome> yeah... i work from home too, and i know moving isn't fun
[20:23] <knome> or any kind of thing that stops you from working
[20:36] <jibel> wxl, I tried a default installation and lvm/encrypted both went fine but the password I set it not recognized after installation which is really weird. also the plymouth issue is really annoying for the user don't see the password field in the boot screen
[20:37] <jibel> wxl, digging why it rejects my password
[20:37] <wxl> hm
[20:41] <balloons> jibel, are you running through the server tests atm?
[20:41] <balloons> if so, MAAS shouldn't be in there
[20:42] <balloons> let me remove it
[20:42] <jibel> balloons, I'm doing some smoketests of lubuntu
[20:48] <jibel> wxl, lubuntu alternate amd64 guided and encryption tests case are okay. I don't know why it didn't work with a French keyboard layout though.
[20:48] <jibel> *test cases
[20:48] <jibel> and entire disk passed too
[20:49] <wxl> jibel: thanks i'll call them good
[20:50] <wxl> also it looks like someone finished the desktop testcase
[20:50] <wxl> admittedly for manual paritioning :/ but i think i'll call it good
[22:02] <wxl> ok release notes done, email ready to be sent; i await your command infinity
[23:32] <wxl> are we ready to release yet?
[23:55] <bdmurray> slangasek: Could you fully phased aptdaemon in trusty-updates?
[23:56] <bdmurray> slangasek: there were regressions detected because aptdaemon crashes didn't used to include the version number...
[23:57] <slangasek> bdmurray: done


[07:25] <pleia2> almost done with the massive wiki overhaul of 2012 \o/
[07:25] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge are completely done
[07:26] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter is almost done, I just need tediously update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit
[13:41] <akgraner> pleia2, thank you - sorry about that - I wanted to include as many steps as possible when I wrote it...:-/
[16:32] <pleia2> akgraner: oh no, it's great! just needs to be updated since things changed a bit since it was written :)
[16:34] <akgraner> :-) glad it helps...I'm working on my session notes for my class in 30 mins now :-)
[16:36] <pleia2> \o/
[17:12] <pleia2> ok, sent out the summary writers email
[17:12] <pleia2> it's that time of the week again! we need summaries: http://bit.ly/vDkJyf :)
[18:01] <pleia2> akgraner: you just /msg classbot !q
[18:01] <pleia2> if you like the question, you /msg classbot !y
[18:02] <pleia2> if you don't like the question, /msg classbot !n
[18:06] <akgraner> k
[18:06] <akgraner> thanks
[18:25] <Myrtti> oh darnit, the classroom :-|
[18:25] <pleia2> haha, oops, I hit the wrong channel
[18:26] <akgraner> pleia2, so did I as you saw :-)
[18:26] <pleia2> irc is hard
[18:26] <pleia2> heheh
[18:27] <akgraner> hehe :-)
[18:30] <akgraner> pleia2, how are we on summaries?
[18:30] <pleia2> I wrote a bunch this week when I was in a waiting room
[18:30] <pleia2> but planet and below needs some love
[18:31] <akgraner> ahh ok - I've got some time so I'll look at them - sorry about last week
[18:31] <pleia2> no problem, life happens :)
[18:31] <akgraner> In case I don't tell you enough - thanks for stepping up and being a driving force for UWN! :-)
[18:32] <akgraner> I think we have some awesome team members who in a short time will be able to take the reins :-)
[18:32] <pleia2> now I just need to figure out how to for real get more people working on this
[18:32] <akgraner> yeah me too - I've been trying for what 3 years
[18:32] <pleia2> going to show bkerensa the publishing procedure on monday
[18:32] <akgraner> pleia2, awesome!
[18:33] <akgraner> It's easier now than when I learned
[18:33] <pleia2> oh, and I think we should stop emailing the translations list
[18:33] <akgraner> yeah - I don't think they do anything with it
[18:33] <pleia2> I updated the UWN wiki to say: "Rather than translating summaries for English articles, we now suggest you work with a team in your local language to find articles and release your own newsletter."
[18:34] <akgraner> yep that was the goal and only have the GCN and stats used etc
[18:34] <pleia2> I'll touch base with the -it team to get a link to theirs (I don't know how often they release, but I know they do something we can link to)
[18:34] <akgraner> yeah that's the other thing I don't know - I used to have it up to date but it's not anymore all the versions of who was producing Ubuntu News Locally
[18:34] <pleia2> we should also get the teams sorted out soon, I'm still not part of ~uwn so I need nhandler to review any script changes since he is a member, not optimal :)
[18:34] <akgraner> even if they didn't all it UWN
[18:34] <akgraner> it's nice to have the links
[18:35] <akgraner> Maybe dpm can get that for us?
[18:35] <pleia2> yeah, looks like anyone on the canonical community team will be able to transfer ownership
[18:37] <akgraner> hmm  - yeah let's just set up a leadership team and have them transfer ownership to that
[18:37] <pleia2> oh, we should link dholbach's dev news to the NewsTeam wiki too
[18:38] <akgraner> so it's not one person - I think during the -q cycle we should change up the LP teams and clean all that up
[18:38] <akgraner> it's a mess
[18:38] <pleia2> yeah
[18:39] <pleia2> ~ubuntu-news-leadership ? -eic ?
[18:39] <akgraner> link to it on UWN or the Fridge or both?
[18:39] <pleia2> I was thinking link it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam
[18:39] <pleia2> as a third thing the news team does
[18:39] <akgraner> that will work
[18:40] <akgraner> sorry mind wasn't on wikis
[18:40] <akgraner> yep - I like the dev news it's a great service
[18:41] <akgraner> ubuntu-news-leadership seems long but it's not confusing and it's clear as to what it is
[18:42] <pleia2> yeah
[18:42] <akgraner> which I think is important - and between now and 12.10 release we can figure out a structure
[18:42] <akgraner> so people can clearly see the progression etc
[18:42] <pleia2> ok, let's just go with ubuntu-news-leadership
[18:42] <pleia2> I'll add myself, you, and dholbach for now
[18:42] <pleia2> we can remove you later ;)
[18:42] <akgraner> I think that is part of the problem everything is so vague right now
[18:42] <pleia2> yeah
[18:42] <akgraner> works for me
[18:43] <akgraner> it used to be we have specific people who were responsible for the various sections and if someone didn't do it we knew who to contact
[18:43] <akgraner> and people felt like that had ownership and a stake in the final product
[18:44] <akgraner> s/that/they
[18:44]  * pleia2 nods
[18:44] <pleia2> did that work well?
[18:45] <akgraner> I think it's important to empower people and give them a stake in it , as well as the responsibility and accountability for it.
[18:45] <akgraner> it did - but when we moved it to the open people hated the criticism they often got in the channel
[18:45] <pleia2> ah :(
[18:46] <akgraner> so I started being top cover and had people address issues with me
[18:46]  * pleia2 nods
[18:46] <akgraner> which was fine, but then well you know the fire etc
[18:46] <akgraner> and well  - things went south
[18:46] <akgraner> so it's time to get it all back in place - and the leadership team can be top cover and not just one person
[18:47] <pleia2> ok, emailing dholbach (cc you and dpm) about moving things over to the new leadership team
[18:48] <akgraner> The cool thing was people learned styles to write for other publications - and I would recommend people for things etc
[18:49] <akgraner> so by helping here they could 1) help with the  project, 2) build sustained contribution 3) real world skills
[18:49] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[18:51]  * pleia2 nods
[18:53] <pleia2> ok, email is off, off to the gym now before I give myself something else to do ;)
[18:53] <pleia2> have a good one!
[21:28] <Silverlion> akgraner: ping
[21:29] <Silverlion> hi there!
[21:31] <pleia2> hey Silverlion
[21:31] <pleia2> interested in writing some article summaries this weekend?
[21:31] <Silverlion> hey pleia2
[21:31] <Silverlion> pleia2: would love to but i am on duty for RL-Money ^^
[21:31] <pleia2> well, if you get some time, all the links are here: http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[21:32] <Silverlion> pleia2: will try but i have to code a complete issue of fullcirclemagazine this weekend ;)
[21:33] <pleia2> no problem, just asking since you said "hi" ;)
[21:33]  * pleia2 grabs everyone she can!
[21:33] <Silverlion> pleia2: once i have a time slot i will remember you and give you a note
[21:34] <Silverlion> but full circle magazine is going for back-issuing to have all issues available as Ebooks
[21:35] <pleia2> that's great
[21:35] <Silverlion> pleia2: and guess who does the work?
[21:35] <pleia2> Silverlion ;)
[21:37] <Silverlion> right
[21:38] <Silverlion> but i still want to keep in touch with you folks to get the latest gossip
[21:38] <Silverlion> :D
[21:38] <pleia2> hehe
[21:39] <Silverlion> pleia2: btw. it would be great to have some coverage of the re-build of ubuntu youth ;)
[21:40] <pleia2> benonsoftware has his blog syndicated on planet, if he blogs about it we'll pick it up :)
[21:40] <Silverlion> pleia2: thx and bkerensa could too?
[21:40] <Silverlion> on his news site?
[21:41] <pleia2> you'd have to ask him :)
[21:41] <Silverlion> that was a kind of question in his direction ;)
[21:41] <Silverlion> that's why i highlighted him
[21:42]  * Silverlion had a live interview on national radio earlier today :D *happy*
[21:43] <pleia2> cool, what about?
[21:45] <Silverlion> there was a radio host in our city to promote an action to win a concert with Rea Garvey ;) he did a terrible mistake which made me kinda "freak out" and so he took the time to do an interview and invited me to ask all kind of questions ^^ he wanted me to proove that i could be a journalist too ^^
[21:45] <pleia2> :D
[21:45] <pleia2> congrats
[21:46] <Silverlion> we did like 20 Mins of talking and when i got home i had mail saying that it would be broadcasted on national radio
[21:46] <Silverlion> :D
[21:46] <pleia2> nice
[21:48] <Silverlion> pleia2: you got a pm with a link ^^ go to picture 5/12
[21:48] <Silverlion> there you will find me ^^
[21:49] <pleia2> yay!
[21:50] <Silverlion> ;)
[21:50] <Silverlion> and all this coming from an overnight-duty on my job (where i am currently ... again)
[21:51] <bkerensa> Silverlion: Hmm?
[21:52] <Silverlion> bkerensa: i took over the task to promote the re-build of ubuntu-youth in ubuntu media
[21:52] <Silverlion> and i want you in ^^
[21:52] <bkerensa> Ahh yeah if I see it I can write something up on OMG
[21:52] <bkerensa> I read the entire planet almost everyday
[21:52] <bkerensa> :D
[21:58] <Silverlion> and another victory
[21:59] <Silverlion> i have launched a story about a little girl who playes table-tennis in a male team
[21:59] <Silverlion> and it became title picture and head story of the magazine!
[22:13] <pleia2> nice :)
[22:24] <bkerensa> I'm co-maintaining a debian package :P
[23:32] <pleia2> yay :)
[23:33] <Silverlion> pleia2: you seem to be happy ^^ mind to ask you local time?
[23:34] <pleia2> Sat Feb 25 15:34:04 PST 2012
[23:34] <Silverlion> so I am kinda 9 hrs in the future of you ^^
[23:35] <Unit193> Bummer that ctcp's are considered rude. :/
[23:36] <Silverlion> how can i display my local time for you?
[23:36] <pleia2> I'm using irssi, so I used /exec -o date
[23:37] <Silverlion> that command doesnt work on webchat
[23:38] <pleia2> I don't know, sorry
[23:38] <pleia2> you can run "date" in a terminal and paste it here ;)
[23:38] <Silverlion> i am on windows ^^ my employer rejects to install linux at all
[23:39] <pleia2> ah
[23:39] <Unit193> I think it's date -R that I bind.
[23:39] <Unit193> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:39:16 -0500
[23:39] <Silverlion> date -R
[23:39] <Silverlion> ???
[23:46] <pleia2> Silverlion: that's the command he puts in the terminal -R changes the output format (notice it's a slightly different format than mine)
[23:48] <Silverlion> pleia2: i only have windows cmd line
[23:49] <pleia2> I know, I was just explaining the command :)


[15:36] <smoser> hey
[15:37] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/trunk.reporting/+merge/266578
[15:37] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, commented there
[15:37] <smoser> and i believe between the time he started and the time he finished, i pushed
[15:37] <smoser> his comments do not appear
[15:38] <smoser> any way i can see them ?
[17:44] <cjwatson> smoser: click on the "show diff comments" link in the box for his comment
[17:44] <smoser> yeah, i did.
[17:45] <smoser> i think it just took a real long time to show maybe.
[17:45] <smoser> or maybe i didnt scroll down. not sure. very well may be luser error
[17:47] <smoser> i think probably was just not scrolling down. kind of thought that would bring me to the first change i guess.
[17:47] <smoser> i cna't get the keyboard nav to work in firefox or chromium, fwiw.
[17:49] <smoser> well, maybe that does too.
[17:49] <smoser> odd. i think i had to click in the review area for them to work
[17:49] <cjwatson> right.
[17:50] <cjwatson> you do have to do that, but otherwise it works fine, I use it a lot every day.
[18:42] <KaZeR> hi there. Can i programmatically download a translation file? without the need of exporting it first ?
[19:21] <costello> KaZeR depends on how the translation was done, different programs implement this thing in different ways. More details please?
[19:22] <dobey> no, he's asking about translations on lp
[19:22] <dobey> i don't think they exist as files, until you do an export
[19:22] <KaZeR> sure costello. we use launchpad as our exclusive translation source. we upload .pot, generated by our app, and periodically merge .po files back into our SCM.
[19:22] <costello> ahem.
[19:22] <KaZeR> dobey: yeah i think i meant what you said :)
[19:22] <costello> something I've not done myself.
[19:23] <KaZeR> ok. is there some kind of api to trigger the po generation then ?
[19:24] <dobey> and you can't just have lp merge them back directly into your source tree because it's not hosted on lp, right?
[19:25] <costello> Btw if I have a Qt-based application that has those ".ts" and ".qm" files for localized strings, is there technically any chance to get somebody in ubuntu translation team to get excited about translating the program?
[19:25] <costello> (that is about to appear in 15.10 if I understood right..)
[19:26] <KaZeR> dobey: yes correct
[19:26] <KaZeR> costello: in my own experience, the launchpad translation community is awesome. our app has been translated to over 40 languauges
[19:27] <dobey> costello: i don't know of any plans to add such support to launchpad's translations feature
[19:27] <costello> or is there point of contact for asking for help in translation issues. Our development team is limited to translating to english, swedish and finnish. for a messaging application that is ..bad.
[19:28] <costello> qt:s way is to use the qt-linguist. but it is not difficult to add extra hooks for translated strings coming from files of different format.
[19:29] <dobey> if you want to use translations on launchpad, you need to use gettext for translations
[19:30] <costello> someone must have done hook for Qt's tr("") macro for retrieving the strings from gettext yes.
[19:31] <costello> What would I need to put available .. I think I could generate gettext-format string data files from existing translations, if that would help in getting attention in translation team..
[19:32] <dobey> if you want help from ubuntu translation team, then i guess you should ask in #ubuntu-i18n (or whatever the channel is) for help
[19:32] <costello> yes. lets see. thank you.
[19:43] <costello> #ubuntu-translators actually.
[21:07] <KaZeR> dobey: any hint about this po merge ?
[21:11] <dobey> KaZeR: afaik, you can't just arbitrarily download a po file without doing an export. afaik, the translations are stored in a database, and the po files are generated at export time
[21:11] <dobey> and the files themselves are not stored forever on the server anywhere
[21:13] <KaZeR> ok thanks. can we trigger this generation programmatically ?
[21:15] <dobey> not via the API afaik. you can submit the web form programmatially of course
[21:55] <KaZeR> ok thanks. i'll try that way


[00:36] <NotASnowLeopard> Hello! anyone alive?
[00:37] <NotASnowLeopard> I was hoping maybe I could jump in on some development on the network install image deployment process
[00:39] <NotASnowLeopard> I love network install images, and used to do windows deployments using WDS all day long. Like a niche. But I think network install images could use some type of template to streamline the configuration and download process so you can "Set it and forget it"


[00:40] <Mead> nope, just sunday funday, day drinking and watching football
[03:59] <fishcooker> how to remove copy paste buffer on qlipper?
[09:16] <kc2bez> fishcooker: If you right click on the qlipper icon in the systray one of the options is "clear clipboard history".
[09:16] <kc2bez> That will remove the buffer.


[03:48] <jnc> The new Smart Scopes (Applications) asks for confirmation before launching an application ;  this is frustrating for me and is there a way around it ?
[03:50] <trism> jnc: there is a gsettings key, but I don't remember which one off the top of my head, it is one of the unity ones though (double-click-activation or something)
[03:50] <trism> jnc: likewise you can just double click to activate immediately
[04:00] <jnc> trism: copy. thanks.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:20] <maxiaojun> hi, i just note that Ubuntu's 'chmsee' package struck at version 1.3.0-2ubuntu2
[14:20] <maxiaojun> can we re-sync with Debian? Debian has latest upstream version in sid
[14:21] <maxiaojun> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chmsee
[15:30] <BluesKaj_> muon seems to be mucked up , trying to edit software sources in settings>configure software sources , and it does an update , but won't open the software sources options window
[18:53] <FernandoMiguel> grrr zfs support is broken again
[20:22] <johnjohn101> so far so good with 13.10.  as far as i can tell works equally as well as 13.04.
[20:25] <SonikkuAmerica> In fact, better than well... at least with the Scopes Legion
[20:25] <smallfoot-> Why doesn't packages.ubuntu.com work with saucy?
[20:26] <genii> Because it's not in release yet.
[20:30] <johnjohn101> SonikkuAmerica: i'm going to have to educate my self on scopes. looks useful
[20:32] <SonikkuAmerica> johnjohn101: Tell me how useful the DeviantArt one is. :)
[20:34] <johnjohn101> i see it on scopes, what is it?
[20:44] <IdleOne> SonikkuAmerica: the devianart scope is useful for those users who use deviantart site
[20:44] <IdleOne> you don't use the site, disable the scope
[20:45] <SonikkuAmerica> IdleOne: You told me that already, lol... but why on earth would anyone enable them by default? It seems backwards.
[20:46] <IdleOne> Canonical/Dev team has decided that it is more useful to enable the scopes and let users decide if they want to keep them on...I'll skip the whole OMG my privacy debate.
[20:51] <wilee-nilee> gotta keep the man behind the screen hidden cause there's no place like home
[20:53] <johnjohn101> i'll have to say in concept i like the whole scopes thing.
[20:53] <SonikkuAmerica> IdleOne: I think they should make that idea a little more public.
[20:55] <johnjohn101> can you disable any of the scopes like on a per user basis?
[20:59] <johnjohn101> other than scopes, any other unity features being added for 13.10?  just seems like cannonical is full bore on phablet development


[02:42] <invercap> alguien a installado ubuntu a nokia 520
[02:45] <Beldar> English
[02:47] <invercap> I want to install on nokia 520
[02:51] <Chipaca> invercap: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/234000
[02:51] <Beldar> invercap, The channel header has a links to confirmed devices that are working.
[02:53] <Beldar> ah the windows phone
[03:02] <mojtaba_> Hi, Does anybody know when the ubuntu phone will come out?
[03:17] <Beldar> mojtaba_, Not sure of any clear date, last I heard were a need for another phone provider to buy into the ideas and some showing interest.
[03:18] <Beldar> kind of a problem needing a large cost start with a very small user base so if we see it I will be surprised to be honest.
[03:25] <mojtaba_> Beldar: But it is better than android with no security! Why it has small amount of users?
[03:27] <Chipaca> mojtaba_: because there aren't any phones yet
[03:29] <plipfishy> mojtaba_
[03:29] <plipfishy> I have it on my phone
[03:29] <plipfishy> it's ok, but you have to modify a lot of the code to make it a semi-decent daily driver
[03:29] <plipfishy> er
[03:30] <plipfishy> I'm tired, sorry, I saw your question and replied to it with one from another chan
[03:30]  * plipfishy goes back to sleep
[03:35] <Beldar> mojtaba_, Linux is not plug and go and is has more of a server base, combined with the market being controlled by other OS, and people not wanting to change are some factors. Safer is a user issue all OS have their weaknesses.
[03:36] <Beldar> just having users having a password needed for root is a safety factor the dominate OS has realized with a click in their root accounts to confirm use at least.
[03:38] <Beldar> A standard account in MS knocks out roughly 90% of the danger
[03:38] <Beldar> yo bad the user are not informed is all
[03:39] <Beldar> To*
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> whats the story of the rtm branch?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> you guys gonna drop devel?
[05:25] <Mirv> Saviq: will file-based infographics be before rtm?
[05:28] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: rtm is just for rtm.  Has nothing to do with devel.
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: ok tnx
[07:06] <mpt> Chipaca, lovely indeed, as I predicted
[07:07] <mpt> Oh, wait, that’s the Dash, not System Settings, and it’s already three items per row
[07:08] <mpt> That’s just poor layout generally … Notice how the Dash icons are closer to the screen edges than they are to each other
[07:15] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <mardy> Saviq, greyback: hi! Do you have a minute to chat about bug 1352251?
[07:31] <greyback> mardy: sure
[07:35] <dholbach> can somebody please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~filip-sohajek/ubuntu/utopic/dialer-app/fix-for-1361609/+merge/229565?
[07:37] <mardy> greyback: so, I added a new comment there: I think that no matter how I refactor things, we'll still need to have that splash screen removed
[07:40] <greyback> mardy: sure. I replied, I mostly need steps to repro
[07:41] <greyback> mardy: ultimately only "real" applications will get that splash screen, trust helpers/sessions will not
[07:41] <dholbach> Mirv, I guess https://code.launchpad.net/~filip-sohajek/ubuntu/utopic/dialer-app/fix-for-1361609/+merge/229565 should be resubmitted against lp:dialer-app instead?
[07:42] <mardy> greyback: ah, OK, that's good then!
[07:43] <greyback> mardy: but that does create the problem, if a trust helper takes 2 seconds to launch & draw a frame, what do we show the user in the mean time?
[07:46] <greyback> some sort of splash is nice for that eventuality, but now shell has no idea if that trust helper will actually create a surface to draw to or not
[08:06] <Mirv> dholbach: indeed
[08:06] <dholbach> Mirv, replied
[08:16] <ogra_> bug #1326200
[08:20] <Chipaca> Laney: thank you for the reviews of the system settings branches. Can I ask you for another one on https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntu-system-settings/push-helper/+merge/229571 ?
[08:23] <Saviq> Mirv, it's rather low prio, but yeah
[08:24] <Mirv> Saviq: just wondering whether you want a silo, currently it'd look good as there's 8 free
[08:25] <Saviq> Mirv, I've other higher prio stuff coming in in silo 1 already
[08:26] <tvoss> ogra_, that bug you just queried has been fixed
[08:27] <Mirv> Saviq: ok!
[08:27] <ogra_> tvoss, i am pondering about the fallout ... since around 160-165 (we cant really nail it to one specific image) we have massive app test failures ... they manifest in apparmor denials when autopilot tries to access the dbus introspection stuff
[08:28] <ogra_> tvoss, i'm wondering if apparmor perhaps expects the same process running throughout all tests or some such
[08:28] <tvoss> ogra_, the fix is unlikely causing it as it only tears down private dbus-daemon instances fired up for testing, not the actual system or session ones
[08:33] <mpt> Chipaca, I also used your screenshot as a basis for reporting bug 1353341
[08:46] <popey> beuno: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/144/download/?version=1.1.251 - "Could not download content from storage"
[09:12] <Saviq> greyback, hey, you alive?
[09:12] <Saviq> greyback, ah you did talk to mardy already
[09:13] <greyback> Saviq: yes
[09:13] <greyback> yep
[09:13] <mhr3> ogra_, bootstrap fixed it, ty
[09:19] <schmilar> Hi
[09:20] <jgdx> Saviq, hey, get to have a chat with ricmm_ re: sensors?
[09:20] <Saviq> jgdx, yeah, didn't get to it yesterday
[09:20] <Saviq> ricmm_, you around?
[09:21] <schmilar> How do I port Ubuntu Touch with only CM-11.0 sources?
[09:22] <schmilar> It seems as if I could either use Cm-10.1
[09:22] <schmilar> or AOSP-4.4
[09:22] <schmilar> but not latest Cyanogenmod
[09:23] <schmilar> Anyone involved with porting and stuff around?
[10:08] <ricmm_> Saviq: hi
[10:12] <Saviq> ricmm, hey, wanted to chat about orientation lock
[10:27] <ricmm> Saviq: ok
[10:27] <ricmm> chat away!
[10:28] <Saviq> ricmm, so, where do you think? it could be close to sensors, so that whenever the lock is on the sensor output doesn't change
[10:28] <Saviq> ricmm, and sensors can be turned off
[10:28] <Saviq> ricmm, or otherwise we need to come up with some interface for $something to tell sensors to go away
[10:38] <ricmm> Saviq: is it too late to centralize the "change orientation" signal in the shell?
[10:38] <ricmm> a dbus signal, or using the Mir private channel
[10:38] <ricmm> its quite straightforward to tell the truth
[10:38] <ricmm> and it will save battery, wakelocks, and be cleaner
[10:39] <Saviq> ricmm, it might be
[10:39] <Saviq> ricmm, there's code, but we're not *actively* pursuing shell rotation for RTM
[10:39] <ricmm> I'm not talking about shell orientation
[10:40] <Saviq> ricmm, you kind of are ;)
[10:40] <Saviq> or well, we're trying to, but not confident we'll get there
[10:40] <ricmm> no, I am not
[10:40] <Saviq> ricmm, I know what you mean, but it's the same from our PoV
[10:40] <Saviq> almost
[10:40] <Saviq> ricmm, I'll schedule a HO for later today, then
[10:40] <ricmm> you are talking about a way for the session to lock apps from reading the orientation
[10:40] <ricmm> which means opening the orientation sensor
[10:41] <Saviq> ricmm, yes, because they currently talk directly to the sensor
[10:41] <ricmm> it could also mean prevent the shell from sending an OrientationChanged signal on dbus
[10:41] <ricmm> com Unity.Screen
[10:41] <Saviq> ricmm, mir channel, rather, we already have it there
[10:41] <Saviq> somewhere
[10:41] <ricmm> ok
[10:41] <ricmm> lets talk about it later then
[10:41] <ricmm> setup a HO for the afternoon?
[10:41] <Saviq> let's
[10:41] <Saviq> willd o
[10:41] <beuno> Mirv, can you try uploading a newer version of sudoku?
[10:42] <Mirv> beuno: I did that 1h ago after popey asked me to
[10:43] <beuno> Mirv, can you try again?  a newer version than 1.1.251
[10:44] <beuno> I'm trying to debug what's going on
[10:45] <Mirv> beuno: ok, I guess I'll need to trigger a new build first
[10:46] <beuno> Mirv, probably. How is this being uploaded?
[10:46] <beuno> using CI and the store APIs?
[11:07] <Mirv> beuno: yeah, using https://code.launchpad.net/click-toolbelt
[11:08] <beuno> Mirv, cool, let me know how it goes, we're watching logs
[11:10] <Mirv> sure. the build is pending on a builder, at least according to jenkins (but only kicked a few minutes ago)
[11:10] <Mirv> right, the same machines are doing a lot of other things, so it looks like it should look.
[11:19] <ricmm> Saviq: could you push it to 16h instead of 1530 ?
[11:20]  * ogra_ could need some QML help
[11:20] <Saviq> ricmm, done
[11:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can you please commit the relevant changes from make qmltypes to v4
[11:21] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:21] <ogra_> i'm adding something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7969530/ to my system-settings code ... but securityType seems to always be undefined ...
[11:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: done
[11:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 723	+#include <QDebug> needed?
[11:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i need it all the time
[11:23] <tsdgeos> so let's just have it there
[11:23] <Saviq> k
[11:23] <tsdgeos> and let my productivity increase by not getting an error everytime it fails to compile
[11:24] <Saviq> mhr3, tsdgeos, "bool isAltNavigation" bleh
[11:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ?
[11:25] <tsdgeos> don't like the name?
[11:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I hate that it's a bool ;)
[11:25] <tsdgeos> ah
[11:26] <mhr3> Saviq, /me waves hand, it is not that horrible
[11:26] <Saviq> hmm why are we in -touch?
[11:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you started :D
[11:26] <mhr3> cause that's where you ping
[11:26]  * Saviq hides
[11:26]  * ogra_ sighs
[11:46] <sergiusens> dpm hey, if I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+translations I see no missing translations for Spanish, but then I see http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/translations/
[11:46] <sergiusens> is this a bug, but where :-) missing hints?
[11:48] <Mirv> wow, those click building machines are quite queued
[11:50] <sergiusens> Mirv: the jenkins ones?
[11:50] <sergiusens> Mirv: if so, they are shared with all the MP builders iirc
[11:52] <Mirv> sergiusens: yes, I meant the total load since they are shared
[11:52] <dpm> hey sergiusens, let me have a look
[11:52] <Mirv> but complaining helped, it started building after 45 mins wait
[11:54] <Mirv> beuno: popey: 253 sudoku built & uploaded
[11:55] <popey> beuno: Mirv i can download that now, thanks
[11:55] <beuno> popey, Mirv, I'll figure out what happened
[11:56] <dpm> sergiusens, the translations for that don't come from u-s-s-o-a, but from another project. AFAIK, translations enablement just landed a couple of days ago and my guess is that the translations have not yet been included in the .click or .deb package -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-credentials/trunk/+pots/ubuntuone-credentials/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=remove+credentials
[11:57] <sergiusens> dpm: thanks; I started to use a device for the first time in my life in something different than english :-P
[11:57] <dpm> \o/
[11:58] <sergiusens> dpm: dialog is not there though
[11:58] <dpm> sergiusens, if you need to report any bugs, here's a list of known issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bugs?field.tag=touch
[11:58] <dpm> sergiusens, not sure what you mean
[11:59] <sergiusens> dpm: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/translations/translations_spanish_account_removal_dialog.png
[11:59] <sergiusens> dpm: not sure where to translate that :-)
[12:00] <dpm> sergiusens, it's in the link I posted, and the dialog is already translated as far as I can tell: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-credentials/trunk/+pots/ubuntuone-credentials/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=remove+credentials
[12:00] <dpm> you can search for other parts of the dialog, but at least I could find the translations for its title and body
[12:01] <dpm> and the buttons too, so it seems everything is up for translations in the ubuntuone-credentials project
[12:02] <sergiusens> dpm: ah; sorry, didn't see you sent me a queried/filtered link; I see it now from the main view
[12:02] <dpm> cool
[12:02] <sergiusens> :-)
[12:02] <dpm> sergiusens, you can do a search on the web ui too
[12:02] <sergiusens> dpm: wrt to translations, do I need to manually update the pot file or does the whole translation system do that form me?
[12:03] <sergiusens> if I add a new string for example
[12:03] <dpm> sergiusens, if you're a maintainer for a LP project, yes, you need to update the .pot file whenever there are new strings available. All the rest is done automatically for you
[12:04] <sergiusens> dpm: ok, I will do that then :-)
[12:04] <dpm> great
[12:05] <dpm> sergiusens, and if you feel like translating or looking at the status of translation, you can see all languages and click on them to take you to each translatable project in LP: http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic
[12:06]  * sergiusens links that page
[12:08] <sergiusens> dpm: oh wait; one more question, how do we go about translating http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/account-polld/trunk/view/head:/data/account-polld.application ?
[12:09] <sergiusens> or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/account-polld/trunk/view/head:/data/account-polld.desktop ?
[12:11] <dpm> sergiusens, for the .desktop files, you can look at the branches on bug 1318008, which show how we implemented it in core/system apps
[12:12]  * sergiusens checks
[12:12] <dpm> sergiusens, for the .application files (and probably .service and .providers), I don't quite remember how it's done. I know we have translated files on the desktop for e.g. the Facebook online account and others, perhaps mardy or kenvandine know
[12:12] <bzoltan> dpm:  do you know if updating the time from the cellular network is something what we can expect at some point? I am bored to see the UK time on my phone :)
[12:12] <dpm> I think we might have ended up putting the translations in the XML files, similarly to the .desktop files
[12:13] <dpm> bzoltan, it works for me, but I think I had to set up the timezone in system settings manually
[12:14] <dpm> at least there is a setting too to keep the time automatically
[12:14] <dpm> I'm using that, but I don't know if it requires the timezone to be set manually in addition, or if it's clever enough to detect the timezone
[12:14] <bzoltan> dpm:  so it should be the intro wizard
[12:15] <mardy> dpm: the file can contain a <translations> element which tells with translation domain to use
[12:15] <mardy> dpm: but I'm not sure on whether the current UI honours that (if it doesn't, it's a bug)
[12:15] <dpm> mardy, yes, but I can't quite recall if the translations are inline in the xml file, or put in the .mo files
[12:15] <dpm> I think they go into the .mo files
[12:17] <dpm> mardy, what project contains the Facebook online account for desktop? I might be able to find out from there
[12:28] <mardy> dpm: lp:account-plugins
[12:31] <dpm> thanks mardy
[12:31] <Chipaca> dpm: when you have a moment, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntu-system-settings/push-helper/+merge/229571 in particular wrt whether the strings to translate are being correctly extracted? I don't know when that happens, but it doesn't seem to be part of dpkg-buildpackage.
[12:36] <dpm> sergiusens, for the question on how to translate the .application file, I'd think it should be the same as we do in the desktop: i.e. to mark translatable tags with _, then use intltool to extract those translations (same as with the .desktop files), and generate the file from its .in counterpart removing the _ -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/account-plugins/trunk/view/head:/data/providers/google.provider.in.in
[12:37] <sergiusens> dpm: ok, do you know if dh_translations is run after or before dh_install ?
[12:37] <dpm> sergiusens, I don't know, sorry, you'd have to ask pitti or seb128 for that
[12:37] <sergiusens> ok, no worries; I'll figure it out :-)
[12:38] <pitti> sergiusens: very late
[12:38] <pitti> sergiusens: the dh sequence sorts it right before dh_compress
[12:38] <sergiusens> thanks
[12:38] <pitti> sergiusens: i. e. as late as possible
[12:40] <dpm> Chipaca, from a quick glance, it looks good to me (I didn't know about xgettext's --join-existing arg, neat!), but for the packaging bits, I think I'll have to forward you to pitti too
[12:40] <Chipaca> dpm: thanks
[12:40]  * Chipaca looks at pitti
[12:41] <pitti> ?
[12:41] <pitti> (can read scrollback in a bit, lots of brain state ATM)
[12:51] <pitti> Chipaca: well, it's easy enough to check? build the package and look whether the .pot has the strings you expect?
[12:58] <ogra_> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ubuntu-system-settings/dev-mode-password-binding/+merge/229780 ...
[13:35] <Chipaca> ah, sorry (got cut off just after poking you). That's my question, if building the package should do it, then it isn't doing it
[13:36] <Chipaca> OTOH if building the package isn't doing it for python it doesn't seem to be doing it for anything. Need to dig more.
[13:42] <beuno> Mirv, we've updated click-toolbelt to error when the upload errors
[13:42] <beuno> who do I talk to about updating it in CI?
[13:46] <ogra_> mterry, i need to also set the stuff in PageComponent.qml to make sure it gets picked up when i browse through the page stack ... doesnt work without
[13:46] <ogra_> (i.e. if the page doesnt get reloaded but i only go back and forth)
[13:48] <mterry> ogra_, I'm not sure I follow.  But regardless, if you have it in PageComponent, you don't need it in DevMode right?  You can just reference the id of the panel from PageComponent, I think...
[13:49] <ogra_> oh
[13:49] <ogra_> i didnt think of that ... yeah, let e try that
[13:50] <ogra_> mterry, hmm, nope, doesnt work
[13:51] <mterry> :-/
[13:51] <mterry> I guess I still don't understand about reloading the page and going back and forth etc
[13:52] <ogra_> hmm
[13:52] <ogra_> but dropping it from PageComponent.qml works now ... not sure why it didnt before
[13:53] <Mirv> beuno: thanks, I've pulled it locally. I don't know where/how it's used by CI, I just use it locally
[13:55] <ogra_> mterry, tested and updated
[13:56] <mterry> ogra_, oh good it worked, will re-review in a bit
[13:56] <ogra_> thanks
[14:00] <ogra_> mterry, oh, one irritating thing i noticed, the input dialog for the lock screen should respect the "keyboard sound" setting
[14:00] <ogra_> it is very irritating if everything else makes a sound but the lock screen doesnt
[14:01] <mterry> ogra_, hmm..  the pin entry?
[14:01] <mterry> ogra_, can you file a bug please and assign to me?
[14:01] <ogra_> yep
[14:01] <ogra_> also one of the "nice to have" category :)
[14:02] <Saviq> ricmm, you there for the hout?
[14:02] <twstddev> Hello guys. I've gone through the contribute page on wiki and sadly could not figure out where to start helping with development. Is it currently no up to date or it's just me?
[14:02] <twstddev> *not up to date
[14:05] <Saviq> ricmm, you're lagging is all
[14:11] <ogra_> twstddev, what do you want to work on ?
[14:11] <kenvandine> woot!  i just enabled notifications for twitter , facebook and gmail in system-settings.... and got a bunch of notifications from the webapps!
[14:12] <ogra_> kenvandine, heh, happy clicking ... i thnk popey got them back til the last decade switch or some such
[14:12] <kenvandine> it was a flood :)
[14:12] <ogra_> yeah
[14:12] <ogra_> but a flood above 1000 gets annoying i fear :)
[14:13] <kenvandine> above 10 is annoying :)
[14:14] <ogra_> kenvandine, once mterry approved https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ubuntu-system-settings/dev-mode-password-binding/+merge/229780  would you land it if you have the next system-settings landiing ? or should i do it myself ?
[14:15] <kenvandine> ogra_, sure, i can land it
[14:15] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, what goodies are queued up?
[14:15] <kenvandine> ogra_, assuming traincon-0 doesn't interfere
[14:15] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i landed a crasher fix and packaging fix this morning
[14:16] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, which crasher?
[14:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, reset is probably close to being ready
[14:16] <kenvandine> in the wizard for wifi
[14:16] <twstddev> ogra_, probably some of the apps would be a good start
[14:16] <pmcgowan> ok
[14:16] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, we need to fix the bluetooth code to not call qfatal, that causes a crash in tests
[14:16] <kenvandine> jgdx, in looking at your reset branch, are you sure the strings are using the right case?  sentence case vs. title case?
[14:17] <pmcgowan> and there is this one I cannot figure out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1349326
[14:17] <sergiusens> dpm: can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/account-polld/translations/+merge/229798 please?
[14:18] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, but i think landings will be slowed down until we're out of traincon-0
[14:18] <jgdx> kenvandine, it's taken from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings#A.2BIBw-Reset_Phone.2BIB0-
[14:18] <ogra_> pmcgowan, mandel will look into that ... its a bug
[14:18] <pmcgowan> it sure is
[14:18] <ogra_> (note the bug is assigned)
[14:18] <pmcgowan> ack
[14:19] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, i can never remember what the rules are for case :)
[14:19] <kenvandine> seb128 always reminds me :-p
[14:19] <ogra_> pmcgowan, and there is a certain device where i cant reproduce it ;)
[14:19] <mandel> pmcgowan, ogra_ I should have looked into it, but location-service has more importance atm, sorry :-/
[14:19] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thats odd too
[14:19] <pmcgowan> ok as long as its queued up
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, what do you know about the generic-mediumtests jobs?
[14:20] <kenvandine> nothing :/
[14:20] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, well i can reproduce that crash
[14:20] <kenvandine> weird
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, seems they are failing due to the same gsettings failure, which is odd because the dep is pinned and installed correctly
[14:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, did you notice some CI runs have passed?
[14:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, for what branch?
[14:21] <jgdx> yeah, tests for armhf, amd64 and i386 all cellular tests seems to pass just fine
[14:22] <kenvandine> i thought i saw one over night, a full CI pass
[14:23] <kenvandine> bugger... maybe it was for something else :)
[14:23] <jgdx> kenvandine, you were dreaming :P
[14:23] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm am stumped on that failure...
[14:24] <kenvandine> it's clearly blowing up as if that gsettings-qt fix isn't there
[14:26] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, oh i also landed that wider-grid branch, which fixes the wrapping of the notifications label you reported
[14:26] <jgdx> kenvandine, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/call-fwd-wait-dual-sim btw?
[14:27] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ack
[14:27] <dpm> sergiusens, done with some inline comments, but in summary +1
[14:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, yes, i'll review it next
[14:29] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[14:34] <sergiusens> dpm: ty
[14:41] <tedg> Is there an easy way to record a screen cast of the nexus 4 ?
[14:42] <mterry> ogra_, that "enabled:" line is still offensive to my qml sensibilities  :)  Why not "enabled: securityPrivacy.securityType !== UbuntuSecurityPrivacyPanel.Swipe"?
[14:43] <ogra_> would that work ?
[14:43]  * ogra_ tries
[14:45] <mterry> ogra_, one liners don't need braces and have an implicit return statement
[14:45] <ogra_> oh, ok
[14:45] <ogra_> yeah, wors fine
[14:45] <ogra_> *works
[14:46]  * ogra_ fixed
[14:46] <ogra_> *fixes
[14:46] <ogra_> sigh
[14:47] <ogra_> mterry, pushed
[14:48] <mterry> ogra_, :)
[15:00] <jdstrand> rsalveti: fyi, re the gallery denials in http://paste.ubuntu.com/7964791/, the gallery just needs to use the 'camera' policy group (that allows writes to /dev/video*)
[15:15] <sergiusens> dpm: one more please https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/ciborium/translations/+merge/229813 :-)
[15:15] <jdstrand> rsalveti: fyi, the denials in bug #1353139 are not apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu. they are in media-hub and mediascanner2. I've added a comment, and triaged the bug
[15:16] <jdstrand> jhodapp: fyi ^
[15:16] <jdstrand> rsalveti: Satoris isn't around to ping
[15:18] <jhodapp> jdstrand, that's just for manta?
[15:18] <alecu> gatox: balloons is trying to get the u1 id from a qml app
[15:18] <alecu> gatox: balloons that would be the users' email for the u1 account, right?
[15:18] <jdstrand> jhodapp: I doubt it
[15:19] <jdstrand> jhodapp: but that is how the bug came in
[15:19] <balloons> alecu, gatox yes, users email / username is what we'd be after
[15:19] <jhodapp> jdstrand, ok...I did notice that my camera recorded video wouldn't play on 175 this morning
[15:19] <jdstrand> maybe manta uses video4linux and the others don't... not sure
[15:19] <jhodapp> jdstrand, but I assumed I had my media-hub-server in a bad state :)
[15:19] <alecu> gatox: that's what you are doing in pay-ui, right? Where are you getting the user's email from?
[15:19] <jhodapp> jdstrand, that was on nexus 4
[15:20] <jdstrand> jhodapp: did you have denials?
[15:20] <gatox> balloons, alecu you need to use the AccountServiceModel component
[15:20] <jdstrand> (grep DEN /var/log/syslog)
[15:20] <balloons> gatox, yes, you can see my attempt in lp:nskaggs/+junk/feedback; but I'm not a qml dev, so I thought I'd ask
[15:21] <gatox> alecu, balloons and assign that object id to something that supports a model, like a ListView... mardy told me that there are other ways to do it, but nothing else was working for me
[15:21] <alecu> gatox: can you point balloons at a lp url where your code uses this?
[15:21] <balloons> is there a good example somewhere?
[15:21] <jhodapp> jdstrand, yep: Aug  6 10:40:48 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [  164.467175] type=1400 audit(1407336048.823:95): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_mmap" profile="/usr/bin/media-hub-server" name="/tmp/orcexec.h7lwc7" pid=4160 comm="aqueue:src" requested_mask="m" denied_mask="m" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[15:22] <alecu> gatox: also, do you think that there might be any issues with apparmor permissions? I expect balloons app to be a simple click package from the store.
[15:22] <jdstrand> jhodapp: you seem to be hitting bug #1350673
[15:23] <jdstrand> jhodapp: I suggest doing: 'sudo rm -f /etc/apparmor.d/cache/* && sudo reboot'
[15:23] <jhodapp> jdstrand, interesting...so if I had done a wipe with ubuntu-device-flash I wouldn't have seen that
[15:23] <gatox> balloons, here is where AccountServiceModel is created http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/pay-ui/first-branch/view/head:/app/payui.qml and assign that to a property in line 318...... and here is being used in the ListView to show the user password http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/pay-ui/first-branch/view/head:/app/ui/DirectPurchase.qml
[15:23] <jdstrand> jhodapp: that will work around it
[15:23] <jhodapp> jdstrand, ok
[15:24] <jdstrand> jhodapp: yes, a reflash should avoid it too
[15:24] <gatox> alecu, AccountServiceModel is part of the sdk, so it should be usable from any app, maybe some particular permission will need to be added to the security templates... we are using unconfined, so we didn't have that problem
[15:25] <gatox> alecu, probably "accounts"
[15:25] <balloons> gatox, thank you for the examples
[15:27] <jhodapp> jdstrand, doesn't seem to have worked around that issue for me
[15:27] <jhodapp> jdstrand, but this one doesn't seem to be apparmor denied, so you might be off the hook ;)
[15:28] <jdstrand> jhodapp: you mean, you no longer have a denial, but you still have the problem?
[15:28] <jhodapp> jdstrand, correct
[15:28] <jdstrand> ok, 'good'
[15:28] <jdstrand> :)
[15:28] <jhodapp> jdstrand, hehe
[15:29] <jdstrand> jhodapp: oh, hello btw :)
[15:29] <jhodapp> jdstrand, who knows what state my media-hub is in though :)
[15:29] <jhodapp> jdstrand, hello!
[15:39] <rsalveti> jdstrand: thanks for properly triaging the bug
[15:41] <jdstrand> rsalveti: np
[16:12] <ogra_> kenvandine, i added line 33 to the spreadsheet, feel free to merge it with some other system-settings landing
[16:12] <ogra_> (oh, and a top approval on the MP would be nice)
[16:17] <kenvandine> ogra_, cool, will do
[16:17] <ogra_> kenvandine, i can take care of it myself too if trhat is more convenient for you though
[16:18] <kenvandine> ogra_, what about traincon-0?
[16:18] <ogra_> means that we need to ping davmor2 or someone else from QA
[16:18] <ogra_> to sign it off
[16:20] <kenvandine> ogra_, mind if we hold off for a bit to see if we get anything else ready to land too?
[16:21] <kenvandine> i'm in the middle of reviewing 2 branches but keep got distracted by bugs :)
[16:21] <ogra_> kenvandine, dunno, pmcgowan seems to expect this to land today
[16:21] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i'd like to try to get the reset branch in the landing too
[16:21]  * ogra_ didnt know about that til he saw teh mail with teh list of system-image changes
[16:21] <kenvandine> ogra_, pmcgowan was the one that distracted me :-p
[16:22] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, we need all of em
[16:22] <ogra_> ah, ok yeah, then i'm fine if it takes longer
[16:22] <ogra_> that deserves penalty :P
[16:22] <pmcgowan> ok will stop distracting
[16:22]  * ogra_ grins
[16:23] <kenvandine> ogra_, CI failed in your branch :)
[16:23] <ogra_> ugh, how can that be
[16:23] <kenvandine> ha
[16:23] <kenvandine> you're doomed
[16:23] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^ the beloved cellular tests and gsettings-qt
[16:24] <kenvandine> ogra_, i won't block your branch on that, it has nothing to do with it
[16:24] <ogra_> kenvandine, yeah, looks like it happened due to the CI outage
[16:25] <kenvandine> ogra_, no... these tests fail reliably now
[16:25] <ogra_> i'll add a space to the commit message or so to trigger a re-run
[16:25] <ogra_> oh, then i'll let it be
[16:25] <kenvandine> it fails because of the old bug in gsettings-qt
[16:25] <ogra_> ok
[16:25] <kenvandine> which is fixed.. and landed
[16:25] <kenvandine> and we can't reproduce it
[16:25] <kenvandine> but CI keeps failing, with the fixed version installed
[16:25] <ogra_> k
[16:25] <kenvandine> if that makes any sense at all
[16:26]  * kenvandine is stumped
[16:26] <kenvandine> jgdx, did you get any leads?
[16:26] <ogra_> well, did anyone tell fginther ?
[16:26] <ogra_> (or another CI person)
[16:26] <kenvandine> it's a crash from gsettings-qt related to not handling a{ss}
[16:26] <kenvandine> which was added to fix this
[16:27] <kenvandine> the logs clearly show the version with the fix is installed
[16:27] <kenvandine> not sure fginther can help
[16:27] <kenvandine> then again... i am stumped :)
[16:27] <kenvandine> at least it blows up reliably
[16:33] <dpm> sergiusens, done. btw, what exactly is ciborium?
[16:34] <jgdx> kenvandine, well, plars said he was looking into it, and I got artifacts, finally: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-utopic/2020/artifact/
[16:34] <plars> kenvandine: fginther is out this week, and I'd welcome any ideas you might have about it
[16:35] <plars> kenvandine: I've never touched the otto stuff, so it's not an area that I know much about
[16:35] <jgdx> I think there's a dep missing/wrong
[16:35] <kenvandine> jgdx, doesn't look like it
[16:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, just commented on the reset MR
[16:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[16:37] <kenvandine> the launcher reset requires a shell restart right?
[16:38] <plars> sil2100: I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1353591 for that race
[16:38] <sil2100> Excellent :)
[16:38] <sil2100> plars: thanks!
[16:38]  * ogra_ subscribes
[16:39] <jgdx> mterry, do you have any info re: https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1219793-reset/+merge/228954/comments/557780
[16:40] <jgdx> kenvandine, yes, but Unity should do that right? :)
[16:41] <mterry> jgdx, commented
[16:41] <kenvandine> jgdx, probably
[16:41] <ogra_> we allow a reset without reboot ?
[16:41] <ogra_> even though you cant even change the language without rebooting ?
[16:41] <kenvandine> ogra_, just the launcher favorites
[16:42] <kenvandine> but unity8 needs a restart to notice
[16:42] <ogra_> ah i thought threre was code for "erase everything"
[16:42] <kenvandine> there is :)
[16:42] <kenvandine> but that does restart the device
[16:42] <mterry> but this specific thing is just the launcher
[16:42] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:43]  * ogra_ stops making unqualified drive-by comments
[16:43] <ogra_> :)
[16:43] <jgdx> mterry, thx
[16:43] <kenvandine> ogra_, ok, i got a silo for your branch, the reset branch will need a little love :)
[16:43] <mterry> ogra_, pfft might as well stop being a FOSS developer then  ;)
[16:43] <ogra_> lol
[16:43] <kenvandine> haha
[16:43] <ogra_> kenvandine, yay !
[16:44] <kenvandine> ogra_, i started a build too
[16:44] <ogra_> double yay
[16:44] <kenvandine> ogra_, can you take it from here though?  i'm going to be out for a couple hours this afternoon
[16:44] <ogra_> yip
[16:44] <kenvandine> ogra_, thx
[16:45] <kenvandine> jgdx, of course we don't have designs for notifying the user of that
[16:45] <kenvandine> but we need the user to know the reset didn't fail :)
[16:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, maybe mpt can inject a line in the spec dealing with this? :)
[16:47] <kenvandine> hopefully :)
[16:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, gsettings-ubuntu-schemas, what version do you have?
[16:49] <kenvandine> 0.0.2+14.10.20140802.1-0ubuntu1
[16:49] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[16:50] <jgdx> what is otto? How can I reproduce what it does?
[17:02] <systemclient> Would Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 10 give me enough to read some PDFs on it?
[17:02] <ogra_> yes
[17:03] <ogra_> (you would have to install the pdf viewer from the store though)
[17:05] <systemclient> Do I need an account for the store, or is it more like the usual Ubuntu repos?
[17:05] <systemclient> and does it have an SSH Server to put Data on it?
[17:06] <ogra_> it has mtpp to put data on it
[17:06] <ogra_> *mtp
[17:06] <ogra_> and yes, you need a launchpad account for the store
[17:07] <systemclient> apparently, it can run the openssh-server
[17:08] <ogra_> sure
[17:08] <ogra_> but you need a key in place for the phablet user
[17:09] <systemclient> does it work any different than normal SSH?
[17:10] <ogra_> no, but password auth is hard disabled
[17:12] <systemclient> okay, so I use ADB to copy my computer's public key to the device, then
[17:13] <ogra_> right
[17:14] <sil2100> boiko: hi! Any progress in making the test-fix branches landable?
[17:15] <boiko> sil2100: they are on silo 009, testing right now, gave up waiting on jenkins in the MRs themselves
[17:16] <sil2100> boiko: thanks :) robru will be around to land it as soon as it's ready
[17:45] <kenvandine> ugh... the notification spam... on reboot my phone now dings and vibrates uncontrollably for like 30s
[17:48] <ogra_> told ya
[17:48] <ogra_> :)
[18:08] <mterry> slangasek, is there a way to ask PAM if a password would be legal without actually trying to set it for the user?
[18:10] <davmor2> kenvandine: And it is stupid twitter pm's which mean they very rarely change
[18:28] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ogra_ is there a bug filed to prune notifications or something?
[18:29] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i think popey files a bunch
[18:29] <ogra_> *filed
[18:29] <ogra_> (not one for every notification, that would have been 1000 or so :P )
[18:31] <sergiusens> slangasek: hey, I'm seeing issues with gccgo when using cgo -> load cmd/cgo: package cmd/cgo: open /usr/src/cmd/cgo: no such file or directory
[18:36] <popey> pmcgowan: i do...
[18:36] <popey> pmcgowan: bug 1352602
[18:37] <popey> bug 1352604 also
[18:37] <popey> bug 1352599
[18:41] <pmcgowan> popey, thanks at least 1352602 needs to be fixed
[18:41] <beuno> mdeslaur, jdstrand, cjwatson, FYI, we have a signed click package on staging, "demo4"
[18:52] <mdeslaur> beuno: cool :)
[19:19] <jdstrand> nice!
[19:22] <mterry> kgunn, if I have a butt ugly version of the password-in-wizard screen, should I try to land that alone or should I wait for the visuals from design?
[19:22] <kgunn> yes mterry :)
[19:22] <kgunn> butt ugly better than no butt
[19:22] <mterry> so ugly though.  But OK
[19:22]  * kgunn can't wait to see it
[19:22]  * mterry has to polish it up a little bit, but it works
[19:34] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: popey: if there was an image build most of this would be solved from an account notifications point of view
[19:34] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, good to know
[19:35] <sergiusens> landed yesterday evening, but there hasn't been an image build since
[19:35] <sergiusens> for no reason I can figure
[19:35] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: popey for the avatars, dednick_ and Chipaca figured out some fix, I was told it was fixed last week, not sure why it hasn't landed yet
[19:36] <Chipaca> for which avatars?
[19:36] <Chipaca> ah!
[19:36] <daker> sergiusens: +1 it's fixed, for the avatars no.
[19:36] <Chipaca> no idea me either. I didn't figur enothing; it was all mr dednick
[19:37] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, there was an image last night
[19:37] <pmcgowan> 175
[19:37] <sergiusens> daker: avatars is not something I can fix
[19:37] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ah, the I missed the slot :-/
[19:48] <mterry> kgunn, cool then: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-password/+merge/229853
[19:48] <mterry> I've quoted you as approving and loving the awful design
[19:48] <kgunn> lol
[19:48] <kgunn> mterry: whatever it takes :)
[19:54] <bregma> so, there is no longer a dash in the Unity 8 desktop, did another change go in that relies on the OEM putting stuff on the user's computer?
[19:54] <bregma> lots of errors logged about 'No such running application with appId= "unity8-dash"'
[19:54] <bregma> but apparently no packages or dependencies to fix the issue
[19:57] <kgunn> bregma: when did this appear ?
[19:58] <kgunn> i'm  kinda guessing its dash-as-app....i tested, but i couldn't get past greeter
[19:58] <bregma> well, I just updated for the firt time in 2 days, so I assume yesterday when the dash-as-app landed
[19:59] <kgunn> bregma: how are you getting past greeter?
[19:59] <kgunn> i'm guessing guest works now?
[19:59] <bregma> kgunn, no problem getting past the greeter, just not much to do except play with the (now mostly broken) indicators
[20:00] <bregma> I don't test with guest, too hard to play remotely
[20:00] <kgunn> i'll file a bug bregma
[20:01] <bregma> is there at least a package for the dash that I can install?  Searching the archive doesn't find anything
[20:04] <kgunn> bregma: its still part of unity8
[20:05] <bregma> or is it?
[20:08] <kgunn> bregma: it is...
[20:08] <kgunn> bregma: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/dash-as-app/+merge/228534
[20:08] <bregma> well, apparently the binary and the desktop file are there, it just isn't running
[20:14] <bregma> because the upstart recipe only starts it on the phone, solution seems clear enough
[20:42] <bregma> also, keyboard input has completely stopped working in the Unity 8 desktop
[20:43] <bregma> without an on-screen keyboard available, that gets pretty awkward
[22:40] <slangasek> mterry: ask PAM if a password would be legal> no
[22:40] <slangasek> sergiusens: I have never heard of cgo
[22:43] <mterry> slangasek, ah bummer, that would be a nice feature for password-setting UIs
[23:17] <vthompson> ahayzen, balloons, I just took a look at the failing tests. I think this is our problem: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps/msg00776.html
[23:17] <vthompson> If you launch the app on the desktop it by default does not have a toolbar.
[23:17] <ahayzen> vthompson, ah yes good spot
[23:18] <ahayzen> vthompson, but wideAspect should be come true when >= 70 GU... then the toolbar should be shown when wideAspect is true? ... unless something bad is happening
[23:19] <jjohn> Is there anyone who could help me with trying to boot Ubuntu to a dell poweredge 2950
[23:20] <vthompson> ahayzen, wohoo I might have a simple fix
[23:21] <ahayzen> vthompson, awesome add it to ur swipedelete one
[23:21] <ahayzen> vthompson, then we can start approve/merging again :)
[23:21] <vthompson> will do, all I did was only go into wideAspect when the ui was also loaded
[23:22] <ahayzen> vthompson, hah
[23:24] <vthompson> ahayzen, had I known this would be this easy to fix I would have gone for a run before cracking a beer and my utopic VM :)
[23:24] <ahayzen> vthompson, hahah lol ...
[23:25] <ahayzen> vthompson, i have no utopic test env that is wideaspect at the moment so i couldn't really figure out what was going on ...will have to get my vm up to date again
[23:26] <vthompson> ahayzen, yea, I try to keep 2 VM's up to date.  How close is the listitems AP tests?
[23:28] <ahayzen> vthompson, v2 is working...just needs ur fix ;)
[23:28] <ahayzen> vthompson, but now needs general review
[23:28] <ahayzen> vthompson, colours/sizes etc
[23:29] <vthompson> ahayzen, I'll take a look
[23:30] <ahayzen> vthompson, cool i'll merge urs in once it is merged
[23:30] <vthompson> ahayzen, I just happroved it
[23:30]  * ahayzen waits for Jenkins
[23:31] <ahayzen> vthompson, and https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/prevent-incorrect-no-music-screen/+merge/228972 https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/lookup-file/+merge/229612 https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/music-app/dev3/+merge/229634 and maybe https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/remove-white-error-labels-1353173/+merge/229713 can then land?
[23:31]  * ahayzen need to review the last one
[23:32] <vthompson> ahayzen, yea do we know we need to land dev3? I haven't tested it or anything
[23:32] <ahayzen> vthompson, idk balloons ?
[23:32] <vthompson> but I assume it's needed as popey top approved it
[23:32]  * vthompson gets beer 2
[23:34] <ahayzen> vthompson, maybe idk we can ask in the meeting tomoz
[23:34] <popey> beer!
[23:34] <popey> wassup?
[23:35] <ahayzen> speak of the devil
[23:35] <popey> speak of beer
[23:35] <ahayzen> popey, this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/music-app/dev3/+merge/229634 why is it required? ... what does it do?
[23:35] <vthompson> We were just wondering if dev3 needs to go in for all apps
[23:36] <popey> yeah
[23:36] <vthompson> Or is it mostly just to stay on the most recent rev in case support is dropped
[23:36] <popey> the frameworks got bumped
[23:37] <popey> and the store enforced it on us.
[23:37] <popey> so we had to bump to allow uploads to the store
[23:37] <popey> if we didn't bump then we'd be unable to upload
[23:37] <ahayzen> ah ok we'll merge that in our merge fest then
[23:37] <popey> balloons bumped all the core apps
[23:41] <vthompson> sweet sassy molassy we're green again. MERGE!
[23:41] <popey> ooh!
[23:41] <ahayzen> \o/
[23:41] <popey> are tests passing in jenkins now?
[23:42] <popey> if so
[23:42] <ahayzen> land the things people
[23:42] <ahayzen> popey, we've got about 5 branchs to land
[23:42] <popey> indeed
[23:42] <popey> need me to retrigger jenkins on any?
[23:42] <vthompson> Don't think so.
[23:43] <ahayzen> https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/prevent-incorrect-no-music-screen/+merge/228972 and https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/music-app/dev3/+merge/229634 approved
[23:43] <ahayzen> vthompson, can u look at my comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/lookup-file/+merge/229612
[23:43] <vthompson> ahayzen, sure thing
[23:44] <ahayzen> then once ^^ and https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/remove-white-error-labels-1353173/+merge/229713 lands.. we'll be in a 'working' state again \o/
[23:45] <vthompson> So I think we should leave selectedAlbum should stay true... unless you see something that would cause it to retrigger something
[23:45] <vthompson> derp
[23:48] <vthompson> hm, actually let's set it back to false just incase
[23:48] <ahayzen> hehe yeah i wasn't sure about tht