[00:00] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: Yeah it's still freezing on the login screen and I can't switch to a command-prompt
[00:00] <Haroon> arvin_: Simply placing it in /etc/profile.d didn't work. I even did a chown to root:root over there, since all other files there were owned by root too. :( Do I need to reload something for the changes to come into effect?
[00:00] <berglh> can anyone tell me how to update the ulimit for nofiles (soft/hard) for a non-root user on ubuntu 17.10 without restarting the whole server? when i edit /etc/security/limist.conf and /etc/systemd/user|system.conf and set the nofiles limits, then logout of the box and back on, the new settings for the user don't take effect. am i missing something?
[00:01] <arvin_> Haroon: if you dropped in /etc/profile.d, /etc/profile has a for-loop that'll run each script. so the next time they login or run source /etc/profile should run it i believe
[00:02] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: Only other thought I have is to boot a liveUSB(DVD) to the boot screen and here in the live environment try " boot from first hard drive " . see when what we can do .
[00:03] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: I'll try to find my bootable usb
[00:05] <Haroon> arvin_: I tried logging out and back in from another account, and that didn't work. Running source /etc/profile doesn't do anything either, other than taking away syntax highlighting for some reason.
[00:06] <adioe3> hi all. I've installed Ubuntu 17.10 but GDM doesn't work (nor the gnome session). I just see a pinkish screen for GDM and the wallpaper when I start the X session manually with startx. I have an AMD Radeon RX480 card, am using amgpu, have blacklisted "radeon" module but so far nothing works.
[00:07] <adioe3> Does anybody have any tips or ideas I could try to make this thing work?
[00:10] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: Try Ubuntu without installing?
[00:10] <CarlFK> what is the apt command to remove unneeded kernels?
[00:11] <CarlFK> my /boot is full
[00:11] <bcowan> sudo apt autoremove
[00:11] <CarlFK> Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
[00:11] <CarlFK> yes, that.  thanks
[00:14] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: No, you want to get to the Boot menu . Reboot and as soon as the bios screen clears press a key -> language screen; escape key to accept th default -> boot menu .
[00:17] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: I have a terminal up
[00:18] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: Great .. we got networking ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ?
[00:20] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: 64 bytes in 109ms
[00:21] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: So yes
[00:22] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: So far so good , Now is this terminal in the install of the liveUSB ? what returns ' cat /etc/fstab ' as we must work from within the install .
[00:24] <arvin_> Haroon: not sure. check out this thread: https://askubuntu.com/questions/438150/scripts-in-etc-profile-d-being-ignored
[00:24] <p1l0t> aufs / aufs rw 0 0
[00:24] <Haroon> Thanks arvin_...taking a look.
[00:24] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid, no dev 0 0
[00:25] <arvin_> adioe3: I have an RX480 myself and have no issue with the default drivers that came with 17.10. Did you do an upgrade or fresh install? Does Wayland work?
[00:26] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: Nope . that is a terminal from within the live environment . No will workie for what we have to do . "Boot from first hard drive" should get you into the install .
[00:27] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: I don't think that was an option
[00:29] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: I have Try ubuntu without installing, install ubuntu, oem install, and check disc for defects
[00:36] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: Maybe I should try a chroot and do some updates?
[00:38] <p1l0t> BBL
[00:38] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: What you want in this inst ace ( easier than a change root) is " Advanced Welcome Page Options" See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions .
[00:57] <adioe3> cannot start gdm/gnome with amdgpu (rx480) on 17.10
[00:57] <adioe3> anybody else experience this?
[01:00] <arvin_> are you using official mad drivers or default open-source stack?
[01:00] <arvin_> *amd
[01:00] <adioe3> stock amdgpu that comes with the stock 4.13 kernel
[01:08] <arvin_> hmm, as am I. can you paste the output of: glxinfo|pastebinit
[01:10] <adioe3> so, on 17.10 i can in fact log in (enter + typein password + enter) but i see no controls in GDM nor in the gnome session
[01:10] <adioe3> weeeeird
[01:10] <adioe3> anybody else having this?
[01:13] <Jordan_U> adioe3: What do you see?
[01:15] <Jordan_U> adioe3: Is this an upgrade or a fresh install? Can you reproduce the problem from an Ubuntu 17.10 LiveUSB?
[01:35] <Some1NamedNate> Can't there be multiple versions of VirtualBox on the repo besides 5.0?
[01:38] <Some1NamedNate> anyone?
[01:39] <Jordan_U> Some1NamedNate: With very few exceptions, there will only ever be one version of any given piece of software in a given release of Ubuntu's repositories at a time.
[01:40] <Jordan_U> Some1NamedNate: What is your end goal? What release of Ubuntu are you using?
[01:41] <Some1NamedNate> Xubuntu 16.04.3(?) on VirtualBox 5.2.0 under Windows 10
[02:01] <Minor723> How can i make ubuntu 17.10 does not sleep when i close my laptop
[02:23] <edisonbulb> is software listed in ubuntu software allowed to be proprietary? im not a programmer so not looking to publish but just curious
[02:30] <Bashing-om> edisonbulb: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Removing_.26_Disabling_Repositories .
[02:31] <dax> edisonbulb: yes, it includes software in restricted and multiverse if those repositories are enabled (see Bashing-om's link) and may include proprietary snaps, it's been a while since I checked
[02:31] <edisonbulb> thanks for the info! :)
[02:45] <mbff> Hello! I'm trying to setup port forwarding to my Ubuntu Server. I tested the port forwarding bit by having my laptop run a python http server temporarily and it worked. Now however when I set the forwarding rule to the NAS it will not respond. What network values can I check to try and fix this?
[04:35] <ttbiis> hello how do I upgrade bash to 4.4.12 on ubuntu 16.04?
[04:40] <Tabmow> I recently upgraded to 17.10 and for some reason my konsole application can't be added to the favourites on the unity taskbar?
[04:40] <Tabmow> Anyone finding this issue with any other app? All my others seems to work just fine.
[04:41] <Tabmow> If I drag it there manually, when I launch it I get a duplicated icon.
[04:52] <e1999> can anyone in here help with ICS on ubuntu 16.04.3 ?  im having trouble giving an ip address to a device i have connected my ethernet.  i think my network manager may be the cause.
[05:11] <irwiss> is there something i could supply to `journalctl -f -u MyUnitHere` to strip the date/hostname/process/pid: prefix from output?
[05:27] <glick> hi does/has anyone used utox?
[05:27] <glick> is it decent/good/usable
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> !info utox
[05:28] <glick> yeah is not in the repos :(
[05:28] <glick> thats why i ask
[05:28] <glick> and i wonder why it isnt
[05:29] <dax> because nobody got around to packaging it, looks like
[05:30] <dax> there was a bug about it in Debian, not seeing any blockers, just someone needs to put in the work
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> glick: perhaps you might ask for an alternative? what does this package do exactly?
[05:31] <dax> it's a client for the tox instant messaging protocol
[05:31] <glick> lotuspsychje, its supposedly a secure distributed skype and chat resplacement
[05:31] <glick> what dax said
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> glick: telegram is pretty 'safe' and decent
[05:32] <dax> telegram's security posture is... a bit different
[05:32] <dax> guess how much that matters depends on the person though
[05:33] <makara> hi. After distro-upgrade to 17.10 I can't set play key for rhythmbox
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> i hear good things about ring.cx aswell
[05:33] <makara> volume keys using Asus media keys work fine
[05:38] <makara> is there any other mechanism I can fiddle with to manage keyboard shortcuts?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> makara: what you could try is purge rythmbox, remove config files in your home, try again?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !hotkeys | makara
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> hmm thats for unity, nevermind
[05:43] <Sveta> as this shortcut is specific to one program (rhythmbox) i don't think it is in system preferences
[05:43] <Sveta> i would expect it to be in rhythmbox's preferences
[05:43] <Sveta> makara, what play key would you like to use?
[05:44] <makara> i'm using unity
[05:44] <Sveta> makara, do what lotuspsychje and ubottu said -- assign your preferred key to run `rhythmbox-client --play-pause`
[05:44] <makara> i like having 6 desktops, whether they're populated or not
[05:45] <makara> sveta, pause
[05:45] <Sveta> yes you can use `rhythmbox-client --pause` too
[05:45] <Sveta> i.e. system → preferences → keyboard shortcuts, and add this entry there
[05:46] <makara> "(rhythmbox-client:17995): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: MPRIS D-Bus interface not available, some things won't work"
[05:46] <Sveta> that's a warning, it might be harmless
[05:47] <Sveta> you may need to enable the "MPRIS D-Bus Interface" plugin in Rhythmbox's main window
[05:51] <Sveta> does `rhythmbox-client --pause` pause your thing?
[05:51] <makara> i tried to install rhythmbox-plugins, but it has unresolvable dependencies
[05:51] <Sveta> a pastebin of install output would be useful
[05:52] <makara> no, it gives me said warning message
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> makara: have you installed ppa's of any kind to your system?
[05:52] <makara> i do. Apparently some were disabled at distro-upgrade. Haven't checked since
[05:52] <Sveta> I understood that it gives you that warning instead of pause.  As a next step, I would like to see the output that you get when you try to install rhythmbox-plugins.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> makara: we cant support the use of ppa's here unfortanetly
[05:56] <makara> Sveta, https://pastebin.com/gz5mtPcZ
[05:56] <Sveta> ( this is https://pastebin.com/raw/gz5mtPcZ )
[05:57] <Sveta> Thanks makara! What about `apt-cache policy rhythmbox-plugins` ?
[05:59] <makara> https://pastebin.com/w1DeHVCg
[05:59] <Sveta> ( this is https://pastebin.com/raw/w1DeHVCg )
[05:59] <makara> lotuspsychje, I installed keytouch, but there's no program to run - it just added some kernal drivers
[06:00] <Sveta> makara, what about `apt update` and `apt install rhythmbox-plugins`, same error?
[06:01] <chalcedony> hubby's computer is having a bad time. the monitor is full of weird colors and lines (ubuntu 16.04)
[06:01] <makara> Sveta, same error
[06:02] <chalcedony> i did ctrl alt t .. but the terminal is red.
[06:02] <makara> it just looks like they haven't kept rhythmbox-plugins updated
[06:02] <Sveta> Thanks makara! What about `apt-cache policy librhythmbox-core10` ?
[06:03] <Sveta> you've got a newer version of librhythmbox-core10  installed than what Ubuntu provides, may be an external source
[06:03] <diskin> chalcedony, what about ctrl-alt-f1 (it will switch to text console, use alt-f7 to return back)?
[06:04] <chalcedony> that's what i was trying to remember :)
[06:04] <chalcedony> ty diskin
[06:07] <chalcedony> diskin, it's red with lines running acorss it
[06:07] <chalcedony> normally it should be black
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> chalcedony: updated system? grahpics card & driver?
[06:08] <diskin> chalcedony, then I suppose it's a hardware problem. if it is a desktop, try moving monitor cable, adjust it from both sides.
[06:09] <diskin> if it is a laptop, then moving the screen could help, but chances are lower
[06:09] <chalcedony> lotuspsychje, i don't know. his computer. he checked the cable
[06:09] <chalcedony> desktop
[06:10] <alkisg> chalcedony: reboot the computer, press del/f2 to enter the bios. if it happens there too, it's a hardware problem
[06:11] <chalcedony> i'm going to see if putty lets me get a black screen .. that might tell me too?
[06:11] <alkisg> Remote desktop isn't affected by such hardware or even driver issues
[06:11] <alkisg> Remote ssh as well
[06:11] <chalcedony> hmm ok
[06:11] <chalcedony> i can reboot it from here though
[06:12] <makara> i'm sorted, uninstalled all of rhythmbox and reinstalled. Thanks for help
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> makara: works now?
[06:16] <makara> lotuspsychje, yes
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> !yay | makara
[06:17] <Sveta> makara the hypothesis is that you had a ppa which didn't provide the rhythmbox plugins, and the ubuntu's own version of the package was too old
[06:18] <Sveta> i assume the keyboard shortcuts work, too? :)
[06:19] <e1999> Im trying to setup ics for a laptop connected to wifi to assign an ip to a device connected to the laptop via eth0. id like to do it all through cmd line bc through the gui didnt work.  can anyone in here help with ICS on ubuntu 16.04.3 ?
[06:20] <alkisg> e1999: are you the persons that was using kde?
[06:21] <alkisg> *person
[06:22] <e1999> alkisg nope. not me
[06:22] <alkisg> e1999: did you try from the network manager gui, and that didn't work?
[06:25] <e1999> alkisg yes. i went to wired settings. where i shouldve been able to edit conn and go to ipv4 method and select share w other computers.... but the method drop is missing.  so i created a new profile for vlan and selected method under ipv4 and select sharew other computers.  this didnt work even if i ignored ipv6. i monitored syslog, and could see the dhcp discover messages. but nothing ever popped in /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases
[06:27] <e1999> alkisg correction. adding the profile didnt actually help. adding the new connection was the only thing that gave me access to the ipv4 method drop down.
[06:28] <alkisg> e1999: eh, I'm not sure I understood, so in the end you did manage to create a simple ipv4 ICS connection, without vlans or anything, yet that didn't work, correct?
[06:30] <chalcedony> alkisg, the new video card didn't help. is there a solution/ way to test whatever else might be wrong?
[06:31] <e1999> alkisg correct. nothing worked.  i didnt have the simple option. the only way to get that method drop was to create a new connection through the gui. my options for type were vpn,bond,team,bridge,vlan. i guessed vlan. and that didnt work either.
[06:31] <alkisg> chalcedony: erm, I proposed to go to bios and see if the lines were still there. Were they?
[06:31] <chalcedony> alkisg, yes they were, its red.
[06:31] <chalcedony> so we swapped video cards. same problem
[06:32] <alkisg> chalcedony: then you'd test with another monitor, and then that problematic monitor to another desktop. It's offtopic now though, not an #ubuntu issue
[06:32] <deraps> might not be the perfect channel for this, but has anyone been able to get a realtek 8168 nic work well in 16.04?
[06:32] <chalcedony> yes but i appreciate your help very much :)
[06:34] <alkisg> e1999: I'm testing the GUI method here, as it should be much easier than running dnsmasq-base in dhcpd mode while cooperating with nm...
[06:36] <e1999> alkisg i thought so too. but that was the tutorial i found.  i figured i simply had a bad package or nm was incomplete or something
[06:42] <alkisg> e1999: so, I joined my wifi network normally. Then I created a new ethernet connection, and went to ipv4 tab and selected ICS. Then I activated it, and I had connection sharing. All is well. :)
[06:43] <chalcedony> alkisg, heh.. went to remove it and the cable wasn't in.. so now it's fixed :) ty
[06:43] <alkisg> The "server" ip was <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:43] <alkisg> Hehe
[06:43] <alkisg> np
[06:59] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[07:41] <Moopz> Hey, I have a quick question: Using 16.04, and I bound Alt+A to go to workspace to the left, however when I have Eclipse open, it overrides my keybinding since there's a menu shortcut (for search in Eclipse) called Alt+A apparently. Is that an Ubuntu thing and if so, can I disable it?
[07:44] <ducasse> Moopz: not an ubuntu thing, it's an application thing. unless you can disable that keybinding in the application you're stuck. (this is also why we usually don't use alt+key for desktop bindings - applications use them)
[07:45] <Moopz> I already unbound every alt+<insert key> that Eclipse has, yet it still intercepts it. '
[07:46] <Moopz> But perhaps I should try Eclipse channel instead.
[07:48] <ducasse> try that, i just think this is a really backwards way of doing it
[07:49] <Moopz> ducasse: What's my alternative?
[07:50] <ducasse> use something other than alt+a, that isn't used by applications. super + something is often used for this kind of thing
[08:06] <easyOnme> hello everyone
[08:06] <easyOnme> need some help
[08:07] <easyOnme> I just update and upgrade my ubuntu 16.04LTS and for some reason some of the keys on my laptop are not working very well
[08:07] <easyOnme> at times even if I am not pressing anything the letter w appears on the password when I boot up and when I am able to boot the some keys are disabled which includes the letter w
[08:07] <easyOnme> hope someone can help me solve this
[08:09] <xtron> I added a user, I want to keep this workspace not accessible to other users, how?
[08:11] <ducasse> easyOnme: have you got the usb you installed from? boot that in 'try ubuntu' mode, and see if it behaves the same.
[08:12] <easyOnme> ducasse: the thing is I do not have the usb anymore
[08:12] <ducasse> easyOnme: download the ubuntu inage and write it again?
[08:14] <easyOnme> ducasse: other than doing a new image are there any other alternatives
[08:15] <hlias> easyOnme, I'd suggest BIOS but I can't remember if there is any field you could test the laptop keys
[08:15] <easyOnme> hlias:
[08:15] <ducasse> easyOnme: you can try booting an older kernel, but using a live image is a good way to troubleshoot
[08:15] <easyOnme> the surprising part is that the external keyboard works just fine
[08:15] <hlias> easyOnme, this sounds more like a hardware problem
[08:16] <ducasse> which is why i want him to try a live image
[08:16] <easyOnme> I encountered this similar problem with the other company laptop what I did was to do update and upgrade and after that the problem went away
[08:16] <easyOnme> I tried with this one but it does not work
[08:17] <easyOnme> I mean the problem was exactly similar I also thought it was a hardware program
[08:17] <easyOnme> but after i did a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade it work just earlier I did the same thing but after the update the problem still persisted
[08:18] <ducasse> easyOnme: has it been like this since you installed?
[08:18] <easyOnme> no
[08:19] <easyOnme> only after I made an update and upgrade command
[08:19] <easyOnme> the thing is for some reason the backspace key gets activated when I type on browsers
[08:19] <easyOnme> whatever I type it gets deleted letter by letter in front of me as if I am pressing the backspace key
[08:20] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[08:21] <auronandace> easyOnme: the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that upgrade won't install anything that requires new dependencies (newer kernels fall into this category). If it is a hardware issue then perhaps a kernel update will have an updated driver with a fix. Try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[08:21] <auronandace> !dist-upgrade
[08:21] <easyOnme> auronandace: I already did and the problem still persists
[08:22] <easyOnme> hence I am using an external keyboard instead of the laptop keyboard which is a bit annoying when you are doing development work
[08:22] <auronandace> easyOnme: I thought you said upgrade rather than dist-upgrade
[08:22] <ducasse> easyOnme: you did dist-upgrade, not upgrade?
[08:23] <easyOnme> I did that too
[08:23] <easyOnme> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:23] <easyOnme> I even do sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:23] <xtron> exit
[08:23] <xtron> exit
[08:24] <easyOnme> but it only upgraded all it could possibly update and I am not sure whether it did update anything related to the keyboard driver
[08:24] <ducasse> easyOnme: that would be the kernel
[08:25] <easyOnme> ok but still the keyboard is not working as expected as there are a handful of keys not enabled
[08:25] <easyOnme> I remember using the keyboard and it was working just fine when I first installed ubuntu on this laptop
[08:26] <ducasse> ok, as i suggested - try a live image
[08:27] <easyOnme> It has been like 10 months since I used this laptop and only today right after I did the dist-upgrade that it started behaving like this.  I also did restart a couple of times but like a said wwwwwwwww comes out from the password textbox after booting when it is not supposed to work
[08:27] <easyOnme> this is kind of weird
[08:27] <easyOnme> hence I came here
[08:27] <easyOnme> I did google though and most of their advice didn't work either
[08:28] <hlias> the kernel update messed it up
[08:28] <hlias> can't you choose an older kernel from grub menu?
[08:28] <ducasse> well, you haven't even tried ours - try a live image or an older kernel
[08:31] <easyOnme> hlias: how to do that
[08:32] <hateball> easyOnme: Reboot, hold/hammer left shift to get grub menu, pick an older kernel
[08:32] <easyOnme> ok thank you
[08:32] <easyOnme> see you all later
[08:40] <easyOnMe> hello everyone
[08:41] <easyOnMe> hateball: I just did reboot using an old kernel
[08:41] <easyOnMe> there were only two available
[08:41] <easyOnMe> so I choose the second latest version
[08:41] <easyOnMe> still the keyboard not working
[08:42] <easyOnMe> shall I do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade command from here
[08:42] <hateball> easyOnMe: are you using !hwe ? if not, you might want to try that and see if it automagically fixes things
[08:44] <easyOnMe> hateball: what is !hwe
[08:44] <hateball> !hwe
[08:59] <curro_> Hey anyone know how are the following packages: (libapache2-mod-php7.0 php7.0-mysql php7.0-curl php7.0-json) named in the new ubuntu 17.10?
[09:00] <mas886> Hey anyone know how are the following packages: (libapache2-mod-php7.0 php7.0-mysql php7.0-curl php7.0-json) named in the new ubuntu 17.10?
[09:01] <mas886> searching apt cache didn't help too much
[09:04] <Dirkos>  /dev/sda1       236M  234M     0 100% /boot
[09:04] <Dirkos> how can i clean this up? Since apt wont run on full disk
[09:04] <hateball> Dirkos: clean out old kernels
[09:04] <hateball> Dirkos: you can manually rm old kernels to free up space, then run apt autoremove to remove the packages
[09:05] <Dirkos> Isnt rm causing other things maybe?
[09:05] <Dirkos> Like stuck references?
[09:06] <ducasse> Dirkos: use dpkg -P to remove old kernel packages, it doesn't need free space to do that
[09:07] <hlias> mas886, I think php7.0 is not included in the repos. php7.1 is there, though
[09:09] <mas886> hlias: ok thankyou!
[09:24] <aneks> Hi, can anyone recommend a driver for an rx 560 graphics card for Ubuntu 17.10 - I have the latest Mesa drivers installed but when I log in, my desktop is all distorted including the icons and text.
[09:27] <hateball> aneks: latest being from PPA? Is this Wayland or X?
[09:28] <aneks> hateball: for some reason my 17.10 is running on X rather than Wayland
[09:28] <aneks> hateball: yep from PPA
[09:32] <hateball> aneks: well I was going to suggest that X likely works better
[09:32] <hateball> but...
[09:32] <hateball> As I don't use AMD myself I don't really have any other input
[09:35] <aneks> hateball: all good, thanks anyway.. I'll just keep looking for a solution
[09:48] <aneks> hateball: I was trying to install the latest drivers from this ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/pkppa as suggested on one of the Ubuntu posts but then I run into this error: https://pastebin.com/bRf1c1bs any idea what might be causing it?
[09:54] <hateball> aneks: Nope, and PPAs are not supported here either. I'd file a bug on launchpad
[09:58] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[10:49] <xtron> how to add user which is unaccessible to the other users
[10:59] <markit> hi, anyone setup a samba AD with the new  systemd-resolve and netplan that I've found (sigh!) in 17.10?
[11:34] <demophobia> My computer froze Sunday while having an mp4 paused with some other apps running (e.g. Firefox), and now my trackpad seems to be sluggish and regularly highlights (click-drag) when I try to drag the cursor across the screen. Does it sound like the computer overheated and something is now damaged?
[11:34] <demophobia> I had to do a hard-shutoff, not sure how else to unfreeze the computer.
[11:35] <demophobia> (i.e. holding down the power button -- isn't that called 'hard shutoff'?)
[11:50] <RonaldsMazitis> hello, I'm running power point from virtual box, when I try to start presentation I get black screen
[11:50] <RonaldsMazitis> what could be a problem
[11:53] <bcowan> Neither is really an ubuntu problem, could ask in #vbox
[11:55] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[12:02] <RonaldsMazitis> when I try to run same powerpoint doc in libre office it runs, but it crashes ar some slides
[12:09] <demophobia> RonaldsMazitis, try building those slides one element at a time until you find the element that causes the crash
[12:09] <demophobia> (e.g. first add text, then add picture, then add border color, etc)
[12:09] <demophobia> bcowan, d'you know what to do if the OS freezes?
[12:09] <demophobia> i mean if the mouse freezes too
[12:11] <RonaldsMazitis> I don't care about libre office crashing, power point itself gets black screen, unimaginable
[12:11] <demophobia> lol, i dunno man, ditch powerpoint? >_> (sorry i can't help more)
[12:12] <auronandace> RonaldsMazitis: is that in seamless mode or windowed mode?
[12:13] <drake01> Hi, I was using ati graphic card, it was not working, so I put radeon.modeset=0 in grub. now things work alright, but I am unable to change the resolution. xrandr shows this: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[12:14] <drake01> I think I should add new mode to xrandr and reconfigure X11 but I am not sure how. I am using ubuntu 17.10
[12:15] <auronandace> drake01: 17.10 uses wayland by default. see if it makes a difference signing into an X11 session
[12:19] <drake01> auronandace: I am using dwm, so I installed xwayland and launched a session, when I enter command: xrandr it still shows failed to get size of gamma for output default error
[12:20] <RonaldsMazitis> turning off 3d acceleration, and turning it off trough regedit made it work, this is not ubuntu, sorry for posting
[12:23] <auronandace> drake01: have you tried with the closed source drivers for your card?
[12:26] <auronandace> drake01: i found this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[12:35] <SilentNauscopy> Hi there
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:35] <SilentNauscopy> can some1 help me? Gryb is saying cant find device , unknown filesystem
[12:35] <SilentNauscopy> GRUB*
[12:36] <SilentNauscopy> i had manjaro on some partition and i deleted it and tried to install ubuntu
[12:43] <BluesKaj> SilentNauscopy, did you reformat to ext4?
[12:46] <SilentNauscopy> yes
[12:47] <SilentNauscopy> but while installation there was an error
[12:47] <SilentNauscopy> something with UEFI ??
[12:47] <SilentNauscopy> i dont remember exactly
[12:54] <BluesKaj> SilentNauscopy, yeah I followed this tut to reinstall kubuntu on my laptop which is UEFI/GPT  https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/partitioning-hard-disk-drives-for-bios-mbr-bios-gpt-and-uefi-gpt-in-linux/
[12:57] <redblade7> hi
[12:57] <redblade7> i found a bug with one of the packages under artful (bombono-dvd)
[12:58] <redblade7> the epople in #xubuntu (that's the distro i use) suggested i report it using apport
[12:58] <redblade7> ubuntu-bug
[12:58] <redblade7> so i reinstalled apport, quit all programs, and opened and did the crash-causing activity while "collecting data" happens
[12:59] <redblade7> i didnt see anything on the ubuntu web site resembling it
[12:59] <redblade7> how long does it take before a bug shows up there?
[12:59] <Ben64> it should have brought you to a page i think
[12:59] <redblade7> i know if oyu search for the problem, a lot of arch users are having the same problmes
[12:59] <redblade7> Ben64: it brought me to a sign-up page
[13:00] <redblade7> for ubuntu one
[13:00] <redblade7> do i have to sign up?
[13:00] <redblade7> i'd imagine it would submit automatically
[13:00] <Ben64> might have to sign up
[13:00] <redblade7> k
[13:00] <redblade7> i dont like leaving stuff like apport on my machine
[13:01] <redblade7> if i wanted to use windows 10 i would use it (which unfortunately i am using right now)
[13:01] <redblade7> (i use either or for irc since it's a publicly logged medium)
[13:03] <Ben64> apport isn't windows 10
[13:04] <Haris> hello all
[13:04] <Haris> on ubuntu when I press Ctrl+S on shell, my shell hangs up. Is there a way to make it .. un-stuck ?
[13:04] <redblade7> Ben64: well i mean ongoing data collection
[13:04] <redblade7> when all i want to do is report a bug
[13:04] <Ben64> apport isn't ongoing data collection
[13:04] <Pici> Haris: ctrl-q
[13:04] <redblade7> Ben64: it phones home memory dumps doesn't it?
[13:05] <Ben64> if you tell it to
[13:05] <redblade7> sends memory dumps to canonical if there's a crash?
[13:05] <Haris> this is in a screen session
[13:05] <redblade7> all i can do with windows 10 is press cancel and cross my fingers
[13:05] <Pici> Haris: shouldn't matter
[13:05] <Ben64> not sure how that's relevant
[13:05] <redblade7> i dont want that on linux too
[13:05] <Haris> ?
[13:05] <redblade7> well it's the same thing
[13:05] <Ben64> it isn't
[13:06] <Pici> Haris: unless ctrql-q is your screen command key.
[13:06] <Pici> !who
[13:06] <redblade7> i'd rather just report a bug than run a memory dump collecting phone home program
[13:06] <Ben64> apport isn't all that
[13:06] <redblade7> then what does apport do Ben64
[13:06] <Ben64> it reports bugs when you tell it to report a bug
[13:07] <redblade7> i seem to remember some time ago catching the kubuntu version of apport was phoning home memory dumps automatically
[13:07] <Haris> Ctrl+a+q worked in screen session
[13:07] <redblade7> behind my back
[13:08] <redblade7> so, Ben64, where can i physically type my problem in the english language, and not have to worry about spooks
[13:08] <Ben64> redblade7: well, good luck on your future endeavors
[13:08] <redblade7> what's that supposed to mean?
[13:08] <redblade7> there is no other way?
[13:08] <Ben64> it means i'm out
[13:09] <redblade7> every other program lets me do this without a phone home memory dump
[13:09] <redblade7> i can just log onto a web site and report a problem
[13:09] <redblade7> or email the devlopers
[13:09] <Ben64> i don't want to deal with your paranoia, so ... bye
[13:09] <redblade7> ok then bye
[13:09] <redblade7> paranoia lol
[13:09] <redblade7> why are you using linux and not windows 10 then?
[13:10] <redblade7> so nobody knows of any other way to report a bug without sending memory dumps on a regular basis
[13:12] <redblade7> BTW this is the problem, but I'm not using 32-bit xubuntu
[13:12] <redblade7> so i cant work around it
[13:12] <redblade7> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/bombono-dvd/?comments=all
[13:12] <redblade7> the comment by a7arch
[13:14] <redblade7> i cant believe any linux user in the entire world would accuse me of paranoia for opposing automatic phoning home of memory dumps
[13:14] <redblade7> seriously
[13:14] <redblade7> i have never heard of that in my life
[13:14] <BluesKaj> redblade7,  do you think you're rant is going to help you solve your socalled issue ....maybe some real research instead of internet myths will help
[13:14] <redblade7> linux was always pro-privacy
[13:14] <redblade7> why not use windows
[13:14] <dekatch> redblade7, so you are concerned about minidumps that got sent to troubleshoot problems?
[13:15] <redblade7> dekatch: i dont know what was sent, it was a long time ago, and i think it was kde that did it
[13:15] <redblade7> that was a long time ago though
[13:15] <redblade7> let's get that out of the way
[13:15] <redblade7> my question is
[13:15] <dekatch> but thats just how issue reporting works
[13:15] <redblade7> is there any way to report a bug
[13:15] <redblade7> without compromising my privacy?
[13:16] <dekatch> noone knows if your concerns are pretty common or not
[13:16] <auronandace> !launchpad | redblade7
[13:16] <dekatch> if 40% of ubuntu installations report back the same damn issue consider it patched real soon
[13:16] <redblade7> dekatch: well it's brand new and only started with artful, and brand new on arch too
[13:16] <redblade7> fairly ndew
[13:16] <redblade7> last april
[13:16] <dekatch> but if youre on the end of only about 1% of the people with that issue, it takes longer
[13:17] <redblade7> i thought launchpad was hosting for ppa's
[13:17] <auronandace> redblade7: hence the factoid says "and much more"
[13:17] <redblade7> ok
[13:18] <redblade7> if i sign up for ubuntu one through the browser, do i not have to worry about accidental syncing or tie-ins to the main machine
[13:19] <redblade7> because i know kde system settings offers a sign-in opportunity, but it's optional
[13:21] <redblade7> and does ubuntu one only sync the home folder or part of it? and is the syncing required?
[13:21] <redblade7> or can i just sign up to report the bug
[13:21] <redblade7> via the browser
[13:21] <redblade7> without logging in from settings
[13:22] <mvvvv> Hi ! About 17.10, Do you know why nautilus and gnome-shell, and many other apps are running under xwayland and when did they'll be available to use wayland instead ?
[13:22] <dekatch> not a developer here not even a serious ubuntu staff type of guy. but i would think you can just sign in to report "some bug"
[13:23] <dekatch> why do you even hyperventilate about it?
[13:23] <Digit> hi, quick question:  can ubuntu be used without systemd?
[13:23] <redblade7> why do you keep making comments like that?
[13:23] <redblade7> Digit: i wish
[13:23] <dekatch> redblade7, that was not an answere
[13:23]  * redblade7 long time slackware user except on two computers
[13:23] <dekatch> even yes or no
[13:23] <Digit> thnx redblade7.    :/    *strikes ubuntu from the list*
[13:23] <dekatch> Digit, asked an straight question
[13:24] <dekatch> no need to get sarcastic about it
[13:24] <redblade7> prob with slackware is that if you want anything multimedia it's a bitch to set up
[13:24] <redblade7> so i use xubuntu on home deskopts
[13:24] <dekatch> Digit,  dont count on redblade7 anyway
[13:24] <dekatch> he is in some kind of rage
[13:24] <redblade7> dekatch: no personal attacks
[13:24] <redblade7> no
[13:24] <dekatch> and i have no evidence to backup his statement
[13:24] <redblade7> dekatch: is a troll
[13:24] <auronandace> Digit: have you checked out void linux, that is an interesting distro, but offtopic here
[13:24] <Digit> dekatch: redblade7's reply answered my question.   :3  no need for vengence.  n_n
[13:24] <redblade7> he has been trolling me for like  half horu now
[13:25] <redblade7> him and another guy have been accusing me of paranoia for not wanting to send canonical memory dumps
[13:25] <redblade7> just dont feed the trolls
[13:25] <Digit> auronandace: yep.  void's great.  used it several times.  currently on gentoo, that i hijacked with bedrock.  just looking around for distros with large package selections to add to it as strata.   ... distros without systemd.
[13:25] <dekatch> oh redblade7 shut up. you come here and complain about some minidumps that got sent
[13:25] <redblade7> anyway, Digit
[13:26] <redblade7> dekatch: that was a long time ago, i told you
[13:26] <redblade7> months ago
[13:26] <dekatch> even a windows 12 user knows that minidumps only contain very little information
[13:26] <redblade7> you're just trolling me now
[13:26] <dekatch> and windows 12 doesnt even exist now
[13:26] <redblade7> anyway digita
[13:26] <redblade7> anyway digit
[13:26] <dekatch> yea i dont take you serious redblade7
[13:26] <dekatch> but i am a serious guy
[13:26] <auronandace> Digit: sorry ubuntu doesn't fit your bill. hope you find what you are looking for
[13:26] <redblade7> then if you dont take be seriously then shut up and stop trolling
[13:26] <redblade7> anyway digit
[13:26] <dekatch> so you must be a joke
[13:27] <redblade7> ubuntu uses systemd, it's mandatory
[13:27] <Digit> thnx auronandace.
[13:27] <redblade7> there are few which dont, slackware uses the traditional way
[13:27] <Digit> i wonder(ed)... since there's the devuan response to debian switching to systemd, if there'd be a similar response in ubuntuland.
[13:27] <redblade7> but it's up to you
[13:27] <redblade7> most people just put up with systemd i think
[13:27] <redblade7> it's not that bad once you do it enough
[13:28] <Digit> it's horrendous.
[13:28] <Digit> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
[13:28] <BluesKaj> redblade7, do you expect help with that attitude .... or is this just a a temporary perdonal blog ?
[13:28] <jeffree> for some reason ipv6 frequently loses it's connection for me and takes a few minutes to become functional. I tried turning ipv6 off in the NetworkManager applet but that seems to have no effect. Any idea what the answer to either problem is?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> personal even
[13:29] <redblade7> i'm just ignoring the personal attacks on the morality of sending people memory dumps. because that's not what i was asking, and it's just becoming troll land now
[13:29] <auronandace> Digit: not sure when ubuntu introduced systemd but i think 14.04 still uses upstart. but no doubt you want something more up to date and that will soon be end of life
[13:30] <redblade7> i pm'ed sigyn and he will take care of it i'm sure
[13:30] <redblade7> he said to contact staff so i assume that's him
[13:31] <redblade7> auronandace: isnt anything after the last LTS end of life?
[13:31] <Digit> good suggestion.  thnx auronandace.  since it would be just for a bedrock linux strata, it wouldnt matter so much to have an old old legacybuntu laying around, since i wouldnt be relying on it as the whole system.
[13:31] <auronandace> redblade7: lts releases are supported for 5 years but the iterim releases are only supported for 9 moths
[13:31] <auronandace> months
[13:32] <redblade7> really? i thought it was only supported util the next version came out (the next lts version, or the next stable version)
[13:32] <redblade7> and that in april the lts version wont be supported anymore
[13:32] <redblade7> didnt know it lasted longer
[13:32] <dekatch> well as auronandace said
[13:32] <auronandace> redblade7: you can see the currently supported releases in the topic
[13:32] <Digit> 5 years from 14.04 gets up to 2019.  :)
[13:32] <auronandace> !topic | redblade7
[13:32] <dekatch> the 9 month  support do not interfere with new releases
[13:33] <dekatch> damn people need to become multitaksing
[13:33] <xtron> need help for user account on linux
[13:33] <redblade7> wikipedia says support for 14.04 ended last april
[13:33] <redblade7> someone should fix it
[13:34] <dekatch> tell wikipedia about it
[13:34] <redblade7> not me, talk about trolls wikipedia are real trolls
[13:34] <auronandace> redblade7: are you thinking of 12.04?
[13:34] <dekatch> since those are the ones who allow ANY individual to edit entrys
[13:34] <redblade7> didnt you say 14.04?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[13:34] <auronandace> redblade7: yes I said 14.04 but 12.04 would have ended last april
[13:34] <redblade7> dekatch: i dont even bother with wikipedia. you can throw tons of academic evidence in their face, but you will never win
[13:35] <BluesKaj> redblade7, rea above
[13:35] <Digit> so are lts releases every 2 years?
[13:35] <dekatch> i am not much concerned about wikipedia either :)
[13:35] <redblade7> the xubuntu page if you want to edit it btw
[13:35] <redblade7> not sure of the others
[13:37] <redblade7> anyway, i'll sign up for ubuntu one, but through the browser only, and i can report the bug, and not have to worry about memory dumps or irc trolls
[13:37]  * Digit wonders about guix on ubuntu, old and new
[13:37] <redblade7> so whoever here was helpful, if you got drowned out by trolls, i appreciate your help
[13:38] <im_bad_at_linux> hi, i'm having some problems with bumblebee
[13:38] <redblade7> as for sigyn, i got no other warnings so i hope he picked up the reply i sent him
[13:39] <im_bad_at_linux> i'm trying to get optirun to work but i can't get it it to load the right module
[13:40] <im_bad_at_linux> i'm trying to dit my xorg.conf.nvidia now to take the right driver (nvidia_304) but it keeps ignoring the underscore
[13:40] <im_bad_at_linux> i'm sorry i'm new to this and i dont know a whole lot about what's happening
[13:40] <Ben64> are you sure the module is nvidia_304
[13:41] <im_bad_at_linux> yes
[13:41] <Ben64> how
[13:42] <im_bad_at_linux> 1) i ran some command i found that showed it (oh god this sounds like im retarded)
[13:42] <im_bad_at_linux> and 2) i can modprobe it
[13:42] <im_bad_at_linux> without getting error messages
[13:43] <Ben64> and it shows up as nvidia_304 in lsmod?
[13:44] <im_bad_at_linux> oh damn, it doesnt
[13:44] <im_bad_at_linux> (just ran lsmod | grep nvidia) and got nvidia              11407360  0
[13:44] <im_bad_at_linux> drm                   356352  26 nvidia,i915,drm_kms_helper
[13:47] <Ben64> yeah so it's called nvidia
[13:47] <Ben64> but thats as far as i can help you, never done optirun or bumblebee or had a system like that
[13:48] <im_bad_at_linux> damn
[13:48] <im_bad_at_linux> anyways whenever i try to use optirun it gives me this error:
[13:48] <im_bad_at_linux> [ 1639.808528] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[13:49] <Ben64> weird
[13:49] <Ben64> try "sudo modprobe nvidia"
[13:49] <im_bad_at_linux> that's why i assumed it wasn't nvidia as module
[13:49] <im_bad_at_linux> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.0-16-generic
[13:49] <Ben64> also, which card you got
[13:49] <im_bad_at_linux> nvidia geforce 820m
[13:50] <Ben64> and what version of ubuntu
[13:50] <im_bad_at_linux> Linux miner 4.13.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 11 18:35:14 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:50] <im_bad_at_linux> (that's from uname -a)
[13:50] <Ben64> doesn't really answer the question though
[13:50] <im_bad_at_linux> i'm running 17.10
[13:51] <Ben64> oh
[13:51] <Ben64> yeah maybe someone will come along who knows
[13:51] <im_bad_at_linux> let's hope :p
[13:52] <Ben64> doesn't seem like nvidia is installed properly though
[13:52] <im_bad_at_linux> i wonder why it doesnt return any errors when i do "sudo modprobe nvidia_304"
[13:52] <Ben64> unless 17.10 does things weird
[13:52] <im_bad_at_linux> probably me who fucked up to be honest haha
[13:52] <Ben64> how did  you install nvidia
[13:53] <im_bad_at_linux> i installed bumblebee-nvidia
[13:53] <im_bad_at_linux> meta package
[13:53] <Ben64> didn't know that still existed
[13:54] <im_bad_at_linux> it's a laptop thing apparently
[13:54] <Ben64> nvidia-prime seems to be the newer way
[13:55] <im_bad_at_linux> so what do you suggest me to do then, do "sudo apt remove bumblebee-nvidia | sudo apt install nvidia-prime"
[13:55] <im_bad_at_linux> or is it && instead of | in that situation
[13:55] <Ben64> would be && or ;
[13:55] <im_bad_at_linux> and would that not brick my system?
[13:56] <Ben64> | sends the output of one command to another
[13:56] <Ben64> no promises
[13:56] <im_bad_at_linux> i remember last time i messed with nvidia drivers i just dumpstered my debian lol
[13:56] <im_bad_at_linux> luckily i had backups and kept seperate partitions so wasn't too painfull
[13:57] <im_bad_at_linux> did have to reinstall root fs tho
[13:59] <im_bad_at_linux> ok just installed nvidia-prime instead of bumblebee
[14:00] <im_bad_at_linux> how do i know if it worked?
[14:06] <subvhome> I'm having a weird network problem... probably not network related not really sure. .so i am connected to my network able to ping everything internally. able to resolve uses when i ping externally... but for some reason, I can't browse websites.
[14:07] <im_bad_at_linux> ok just rebooted and everything seems to work so far lol
[14:09] <im_bad_at_linux> ok this is strange bumblebee seems to still be installed
[14:12] <im_bad_at_linux> i give up
[14:13] <subvhome> I think port 80 is blocked
[14:13] <subvhome> but not sure never had this problem before..
[14:13] <subvhome> my firewall is off .. im using linux mint
[14:22] <ducasse> !mint | subvhome
[14:33] <JimDungo> Hi every1, I'm having some trouble here. I'm currently getting the 'The volume "boot" has only 0 bytes disk space remaining'.
[14:33] <JimDungo> I tried sudo apt-get autoremove but nothing
[14:33] <JimDungo> it recommends me using -f
[14:33] <JimDungo> any idea on how can I solve this?
[14:34] <nicomachus> JimDungo: use -f
[14:35] <nicomachus> JimDungo: wait, actually, do `ls /boot` and paste the output to a pastebin and link here.
[14:35] <tomeaton17_> I started installing 17.10 from 17.04 with sudo do-release-upgrade. However I realised this would mess up my i3 install so stopped it half way through. This didn't cause a problem until I ran sudo apt install -f at a later stage. This removed lots of packages. I now cant connect to the internet to fix this.  This is a family-friendly channel.
[14:36] <cbreak> what?
[14:37] <cbreak> ah, no american english
[14:37] <cbreak> ubuntu's upgrade procedure made two basic mistakes
[14:37] <cbreak> 1. It somehow switched to some lowlatency kernel
[14:37] <cbreak> 2. It did not install linux headers for that low latency kernel
[14:38] <cbreak> the combination of those mistakes lead to the inability of dkms to rebuild the nvidia drivers, leading to their inability to exist and be loaded
[14:38] <cbreak> maybe someone gives some consideration to this issue
[14:38] <tomeaton17_> well even if it doesnt cause a problem I stopped it half way through and running apt install -f messed up my install. How can I go about fixing this?
[14:38] <cbreak> tomeaton17_: try to restart it?
[14:38] <nicomachus> tomeaton17_: you won't like it
[14:38] <cbreak> the upgrade
[14:38] <nicomachus> tomeaton17_: easiest way is going to be backup and do a fresh install, because there's no way to know which packages got removed.
[14:38] <cbreak> for me, the new gnome thing was totally broken
[14:39] <cbreak> (because of missing nvidia drivers)
[14:39] <cbreak> but once I fixed that, it worked
[14:39] <nicomachus> cbreak: do you have a specific support question or are you just chatting?
[14:39] <tomeaton17_> but muh i3 config
[14:39] <cbreak> nicomachus: I have complaints
[14:39] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: back it up
[14:39] <nicomachus> tomeaton17_: that should be in /home, back it up
[14:39] <tomeaton17_> Its such a pain to reinstall but yeah seems like the only way to go
[14:39] <nicomachus> cbreak: this isn't hte place for complaints. This isn't a dev channel.
[14:40] <cbreak> how can I switch to the generic kernel?
[14:40] <cbreak> (permanently)
[14:40] <ducasse> cbreak: install linux-image-generic, remove the lowlatency packages
[14:41] <tomeaton17_> Was i3 laggy with 17.10
[14:41] <nicomachus> tomeaton17_: shouldn't be.
[14:41] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: not here
[14:41] <cbreak> ducasse: those are the linux-image* packages?
[14:42] <cbreak> both seem to be installed by default in 17.10
[14:43] <ducasse> cbreak: you should be able to just remove linux-image-lowlatency and replace with the regular images
[14:44] <cbreak> is the replacing automatically done by apt?
[14:44] <forelle> hi hi
[14:44] <ducasse> cbreak: no, you need to do it
[14:45] <cbreak> where? grub config somewhere?
[14:45] <tomeaton17_> Hopefully my install script for my config works or it will be a real bitc* to install
[14:46] <nicomachus> tomeaton17_: please no foul language. not even obfuscations of such.
[14:46] <ducasse> cbreak: now i'm uncertain what you're asking. you tell apt what you want installed and not, but no, you don't need to do anything afterwards
[14:46] <sven^> Hey. This might sound odd, but I am trying to adjust the time to a future time and it does not work. I can change the time to 'yesterday' but I cannot change it to tomorrow. As soon as it's in the future, it gets set to the current time. I am on Ubuntu 14.04
[14:46] <tomeaton17_> Sorry
[14:46] <forelle> I have kubuntu artful aardvark running on an acer switch alpha 12 convertible tablet. The acer pen works with it but the buttons are wrong
[14:46] <forelle> the rmb button middle clicks
[14:46] <forelle> does anyone know of a way to rebind stylus buttons?
[14:46] <cbreak> ducasse: both the 4.13.0-16 generic and lowlatency kernel were automatically installed by the upgrade to 17.10
[14:46] <nicomachus> sven^: can you perhaps change the time zone?
[14:47] <cbreak> lowlatency was the one booted by default
[14:47] <cbreak> so if I remove that, it should fall back on the other one?
[14:47] <nicomachus> forelle: system settings has a "keyboards" section that should let you rebind keys.
[14:47] <cbreak> so... I removed the lowlatency kernel... let's see if it still boots :)
[14:47] <sven^> nicomachus: I could, but how is that relevant?
[14:47] <forelle> does anyone know of a way to rebind stylus buttons?
[14:47] <forelle> oops sorry
[14:48] <nicomachus> sven^: to get the time you want.
[14:49] <sven^> nicomachus: oh, like that. No, I need it to arbitrary times. Like '10d 17h in the future' to test a software I cannot control
[14:49] <cbreak> sven^: chances are you have an ntp client fixing your time
[14:49] <sven^> cbreak: I removed all that
[14:49] <sven^> sec
[14:49] <tomeaton17_> is it possible to upgrade to 17.10 without removing files
[14:49] <k_sze> A question for the maintainer of the python3.6 package: What does the --with-pydebug flag actually do?
[14:50] <bcowan> Then the time is syncing to your hardware clock
[14:50] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: what do you mean by files? it has to remove old packages
[14:50] <nicomachus> k_sze: this is the wrong place for that.
[14:50] <tomeaton17_> I mean the home directory
[14:50] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: they aren't touched
[14:50] <nicomachus> k_sze: not only is the maintainer for python not likely here, this isn't a python channel.
[14:51] <tomeaton17_> oh ok so is the backup just for safety?
[14:51] <nicomachus> ducasse: he's doing a fresh install
[14:51] <nicomachus> tomeaton17_: you're doing a fresh install, right?
[14:51] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: at this point it is so you can wipe and reinstall
[14:51] <nicomachus> Then you need to backup.
[14:52] <sven^> bcowan: but why? I don't want that. I want to have control over my system time without any stupid hidden magic
[14:52] <tomeaton17_> Will I get the option when installing to not change my home directory, I think I remember seeing that in the past
[14:52] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: if you _upgrade_, like you asked, then files aren't touched
[14:52] <nicomachus> sven^: system time is pretty critical for a lot of packages.
[14:52] <forelle> nicomachus: I don't want to rebind mmb to rmb
[14:53] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: are the files important to you? then back them up. easy.
[14:53] <sven^> nicomachus: I am root. That should be my concern. But honestly, I grep'ed ps aux for everything I could come up with, removed any ntp config, tried all options in timedatectl, etc. pp.
[14:53] <tomeaton17_> The problem is that backing up will take a lot of time
[14:56] <ducasse> tomeaton17_: if you don't have backups at all that should be your primary concern. consider how much time it will take to recreate them if you lose them.
[14:56] <flying_sausages> hey guys, any suggestion for which browser to use when SSH x-window tunneling? midori seems to work fine but anything more GUI lightweight is appreciated
[14:56] <cbreak> ducasse: after removing the lowlatency kernel, ubuntu booted into the proper generic one. So far so good. Had to dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-384 to make it create dkms packages for it afterwards though
[14:56] <tomeaton17_> Pretty much everything I work with I store on github
[14:57] <cbreak> wonder why it defaulted to lowlatency to begin with
[14:57] <alkisg> sven^: do you know about the "faketime" package?
[14:57] <nicomachus> flying_sausages: lynx? firefox works fine too. Use the -C flag to compress and -Y instead of -X for a little better responsiveness.
[14:57] <alkisg> To test some other software in arbitrary dates, without changing your system time...
[14:58] <flying_sausages> nicomachus -C for lynx or SSH?
[14:58] <sven^> alkisg: thanks, I will check it out. But I must admit at this point I am much more bothered that I cannot do date -s'' to set the time to whatever I want
[14:58] <alkisg> sven^: which ubuntu version is that?
[14:58] <nicomachus> flying_sausages: -C and -Y for SSH. so `ssh -CY user@host`
[14:58] <sven^> 14.04
[14:59] <alkisg> Did you stop all the time services?
[14:59] <sven^> all I could find
[14:59] <alkisg> sven^: 14.04 isn't using systemd, is it?
[15:00] <sven^>  timedatectl set-time "2017-10-31 16:35" && date => Mon Oct 30 15:59:37 CET 2017
[15:00] <nicomachus> alkisg: shouldn't be
[15:00] <sven^> same happens for date -s
[15:00] <alkisg> How are you running timedatectl then?
[15:00] <flying_sausages> nicomachus hah is linx a CLI browser?
[15:00] <sven^> there are some systemd packages installed, but systemctl does not exist yet
[15:00] <nicomachus> flying_sausages: lynx and links are CLI browsers, yes.
[15:00] <sven^> and I manage stuff with 'service'
[15:00] <flying_sausages> damnson
[15:00] <sven^> alkisg: I dunno. It exists for some reason
[15:01]  * nicomachus wonders how many times he's going to have to admonish peoples' language today
[15:01] <bcowan> If Linus can talk that way ;)
[15:02] <nicomachus> he'd get kicked from this channel, probably. :D
[15:03] <cbreak> american english isn't as accepted as it once was :(
[15:03] <alkisg> sven^: timedatectl set-ntp 0
[15:03] <alkisg> (sudo)
[15:03] <sven^> alkisg: did that
[15:03] <flying_sausages> well, sadly lynx doesn't get me anywhere in my use case, still an interesting piece of software
[15:03] <sven^> alkisg: like an hour ago
[15:04] <Bennit> Hello, I'm installing openjdk-8 on ubuntu 17.10 (clean install from friday). I have a maven project which needs to fetch some dependencies via SSL; finally it's throwing following error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty
[15:04] <nicomachus> flying_sausages: firefox works well. it's not as GUI heavy as Chrome is so it's a bit more responsive. That -C flag on your SSH command is going to make the biggest difference.
[15:05] <alkisg> sven^: just tested sudo -i; timedatectl set-ntp 0; date -s '2017-11-11'; date => and I got the expected results
[15:05] <alkisg> Are you setting "date" as root?
[15:05] <alkisg> (tested in 14.04 ubuntu 64bit)
[15:05] <Bennit> I found this similar issue: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6784463/error-trustanchors-parameter-must-be-non-empty ; but the propsed fix does not seem to do much on my system
[15:05] <sven^> alkisg: yes
[15:05] <Bennit> the trustStore stays empty; any ideas?
[15:06] <alkisg> sven^: sounds like you installed some other package then, other than the defaults...
[15:06] <sven^> alkisg: there is a systemd-timedated running I never installed or heard of. I'm investigating... :)
[15:07] <Bennit> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33439905/is-the-cacerts-file-missing-in-ubuntu-15-10-and-openjdk-8-jdk # aha, explicitly purging the package responsible for installing the certificates and reinstalling it solved the issue
[15:07] <alkisg> sven^: this service exists in /lib/systemd here, but it's unknown to the "service" command, not running etc
[15:08] <flying_sausages> nicomachus firefox is doing pretty well over -CY, thanks!
[15:08] <sven^> alkisg: same here, but I get it when I 'ps aux | grep time'
[15:08] <nicomachus> flying_sausages: \o/ good to hear
[15:08] <sven^> it seems to be running after invoking timedatectl
[15:09] <alkisg> sven^, it's running here too after I re-enabled ntp
[15:12] <alkisg> sven^, after setting ntp 0, have you tried rebooting? Maybe for some reason you cannot communicate with the daemon over dbus, and a reboot is needed
[15:12] <sven^> alkisg: http://sprunge.us/KABd
[15:12] <sven^> no, I have not tried that
[15:13] <sven^> rebooting is for windows users *ducks*
[15:13] <sven^> I guess I just give up now and scream at the next person that suggests ubuntu for one of my work computers -.-
[15:14] <alkisg> sven^: haha, that's lame
[15:14] <alkisg> Like it's supposed to insult people here or something :D
[15:15] <konrados> Hello. When I start my home pc I would love to start a terminal just where/how I left it, i.e. with tabs running same programs, being in the same dirs, just as I left it. You know... just like when I reset a chrome/firefox, when it opens I can see all the tabs intact, even with the browse history (go back) still available. Is this possible?
[15:15] <ioria> sven^, i'am on trusty and date -s works perfectly
[15:16] <sven^> alkisg: sorry. If it makes you feel any better: we had arch before and it was worse
[15:16] <alkisg> sven^: I don't think it's possible to offend someone by saying "your OS sucks because I can't disable time sync"
[15:16] <sven^> alkisg: ok, that's good.
[15:16] <alkisg> E.g. to change to UTC on windows, you need to edit the registry... so what
[15:17] <sven^> I am honestly annoyed by this.
[15:17] <konrados> I mean probably not really right? But something close, like telling the terminal to autostart stuff in the tabs? I don't mean running lots of terminal windows, I know I could probably do it with one of the autostart dirs (/etc/xdg/autostart/) - but I want my one terminal window to startup some tabs inside.
[15:17] <alkisg> Try rebooting
[15:17] <sven^> need to finish up things first then, but ok
[15:17] <sven^> the odd thing is that setting the date backwards works
[15:20] <alkisg> sven^: it's possible that you have some other service that does that, that isn't there in a default installation
[15:20] <sven^> konrados: maybe you want screen or tmux
[15:20] <sven^> alkisg: probably
[15:21] <konrados> sven^, reading...
[15:21] <alkisg> konrados: mate-terminal --tab -e "command 1" --tab -e "command 2" --tab &
[15:21] <alkisg> Or gnome-terminal, what you have
[15:21] <alkisg> screen and tmux would require you to be running the actual applications elsewhere
[15:22] <alkisg> (if you want to "resume" them)
[15:24] <konrados> alkisg, I have kde and 'konsole',  so I thought I'll do man konsole and it tells me No manual entry for konsole o_O
[15:25] <konrados> sven^, seems like it isn't exactly what I wanted but it's interesting for other reasons, thanks!
[15:25] <alkisg> konrados: haha, fun. See this: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/konsole/command-line-options.html
[15:25] <akik> konrados: you can setup .screenrc to start the extra screen windows when screen is started
[15:25] <alkisg> --tabs-from-file fileCreate tabs as specified in the given tabs configuration file.
[15:26] <akik> konrados: ah scratch that. you wanted terminal tabs
[15:26] <konrados> yes, akik :P
[15:27] <konrados> alkisg, yeah, seems like what I wanted, thank you!
[15:27] <konrados> but... still, why $ man konsole doesn't work?
[15:27] <konrados> am I right that it should be?
[15:27] <konrados> I mean, hello, everytime I have a question you guys tell me "did you try man??????"?
[15:28] <kostkon> konrados, or just hibernate or suspend your pc instead of turning it off
[15:28] <genii> konrados: Omit the $
[15:28] <genii> Just: man konsole
[15:29] <konrados> kostkon, oh no, I usually don't do anything, but sometimes I have to restart it (e.g. when I modify /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ - this is to customize the keyboard))
[15:29] <kostkon> konrados, you keep it on all the time ok
[15:30] <konrados> genii, yes, I know, I  thought this is a standard way here on irc and other places to specify that I mean the terminal command
[15:30] <konrados> kostkon, yes
[15:30] <konrados> usually
[15:31] <konrados> anyway, who's responsible for the missing man entry, ubuntu, kde (which I use), 'konsole' programm maintainers? I guess the last one?
[15:32] <brainwash> konrados: check "apt-cache show konsole"
[15:33] <konrados> brainwash, hah, : Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:33] <konrados> Original-Maintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:34] <konrados> so they are the ones to blame, right?
[15:35] <brainwash> dunno
[15:35] <brainwash> there's an old debian bug
[15:35] <brainwash> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648274
[15:36] <akik> that's a sad bug report
[15:38] <konrados> ahhh, brainwash - that isn't really funny, because when I newbie like me wants to find out something with man and then the man doesn't work... o_O I mean whoooa. I was sure I made a typo, couldn't believe there is no man entry :P
[15:38] <deraps> but has anyone been able to get a realtek 8168 nic work well in 16.04? tried several versions of the driver, and no matter what, the interface dies when it gets anything over very light traffic, and can be brought back with ifdown/up
[15:49] <slyrobot> I am on Kubuntu 17.04 zesty. Yesterday I started noticing some lag while using my computer. In moments it was unusable. So I decided to force shutdown this. But it happened again. I started top and could see that baloo was consuming almost all my RAM and was using 100 percent of any one of the four cores. I disabled it and everything works fine. But I noticed that now since it doesn't indexes file krunner has difficulty finding files.
[15:52] <riotz> is there a way to change the default user which is selected on the login screen?
[15:52] <Deflate> which lbis are required for this
[15:52] <Deflate>  -- Looking for pthread_create - not found ?
[15:53] <Deflate> Ubuntu 16.04
[15:55] <slyrobot> Anyone ?
[15:59] <arbitrarystring>  https://community.kde.org/Baloo/Debugging
[16:00] <arbitrarystring> There's a section devoted to Baloo consuming too many resources
[16:00] <jrx-amf> Hello sirs, good afternoon
[16:02] <jrx-amf> I am looking for some help with 16.04 and sshd, after doing reboot the port is 22 instead of the port 444 that I have specified in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf
[16:02] <jrx-amf> Thanks in advance :)
[16:05] <slyrobot> arbitrarystring: Thanks. Man.
[16:05] <ducasse> Deflate: if you are trying to build something, read the instructions for that and look up the dependencies
[16:08] <jrx-amf> I tried setting "Port 444" in both /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config, after "service <sshd> restart" it works, but after "reboot" the port 22 is already listening instead of 444 :(
[16:09] <guite> hello everyone, I think I ruined my install once again :(
[16:10] <guite> my problem is starting lightdm, I have this strange "etc/modprobe.d is not a file" error
[16:11] <guite> followed by "no alternatives for x86_64-linux-gnu_gfxcore_conf"
[16:11] <guite> what can I do ?
[16:12] <guite> I read somewhere on the web that I should reinstall intel's drivers as well as the nvidia ones, but is it safe to delete all the mesa package ?
[16:13] <guite> (so far, I have a command line, I may lost it :D )
[16:13] <guite> *loose
[16:16] <raub> How can I install the security onion in ubuntu 16.04? Their site stated 14.04 only, which is rather ironic
[16:17] <oerheks> !tor
[16:19] <tomeaton17_> I am trying to backup with clonezilla and it seems to be stuck, datablock progress and total block progress are not doing anything, and rate is slowly dropping. What should I do?
[16:23] <arvin_> tomeaton17_: never experiened that before with clonezilla. are you using the live usb?
[16:24] <tomeaton17_> arvin_: Yes
[16:26] <oerheks> if "rate is slowly dropping" there is still progress, only the cache buffers are full, just be patient
[16:28] <tomeaton17_> Ok it seems to be taking ridiculously long for 20gb
[16:29] <oerheks> lots of small files, can explain that.
[16:38] <jrx-amf> I tried setting "Port 444" in both /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config, after "service <sshd> restart" it works, but after "reboot" the port 22 is already listening instead of 444 , any ideas ? . Thanks in advance ;)
[16:39] <tomeaton17_> ok well I got impatient and stopped it. Messed up my grub so I have to reinstall now
[16:40] <jasperberries> anyone know the latest kernel for ubuntu 16.04?
[16:43] <kostkon> jasperberries, 4.10.0-37-generic
[16:44] <jasperberries> thanks
[16:57] <oaulakh> can anyone help with this error in compomser ubuntu http://paste.ubuntu.com/25852823/
[16:58] <Lachezar> Hey all. Ubuntu Server 16.04. Is there anything special that I need to do in order to have the Hardware Clock in sync? It seems upon shutdown Ubuntu does not update neither Hardware Clock, nor the adjtime.
[16:59] <Lachezar> So after every reboot the system clock needs to catch up with real time (ntpd does that).
[16:59] <Lachezar> I can see stuff in /etc/init, but can't find any traces that that is actually executed.
[17:02] <Deflate> ye
[17:04] <brainwash> Lachezar: maybe you can find the answer in the man page for hwclock
[17:07] <Lachezar> brainwash: That's not the issue. hwclock works just fine. It just looks like /etc/init/hwclock-save.conf is not executed.
[17:08] <brainwash> why should it be executed?
[17:08] <brainwash> do you boot with upstart as init system?
[17:08] <Lachezar> brainwash: start on runlevel [06]
[17:08] <brainwash> 16.04 is systemd by default
[17:10] <brainwash> sysvinit files can be found in /etc/init.d
[17:10] <brainwash> and systemd can start those
[17:10] <brainwash> but not the upstart ones in /etc/init
[17:10]  * Lachezar curses loudly at systemd.
[17:11] <Lachezar> brainwash: There is also /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, but there are no signs that it gets executed.
[17:12] <brainwash> check with "systemctl status hwclock.sh"
[17:12] <brainwash> unit name may differ
[17:13] <brainwash> and "systemctl cat hwclock.sh" to display it
[17:13] <Lachezar> brainwash:    Loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad)
[17:14] <brainwash> probably relevant https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755722
[17:14] <brainwash> I haven't read through it
[17:15] <Lachezar> That seems to 'have been' /fixed/ in 2015...
[17:15] <brainwash> obviously
[17:15] <brainwash> it may contain some hits though
[17:16] <brainwash> hints
[17:16]  * Lachezar curses at the systemd again and manually updates the hw clock.
[17:18] <Lachezar> Doh. WTH? /lib/systemd/system/hwclock.service -> /dev/null
[17:19] <pavlos> Lachezar: maybe you need, systemctl enable hwclock
[17:19] <alkisg> Lachezar: hwclock isn't used, read https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-May/002526.html
[17:19] <alkisg> "but in that case the kernel syncs the system clock to the RTC clock anyway every 11 minutes, hence doing this in userspace is pointless"
[17:20] <alkisg> If for some reason your rtc clock isn't synced, it's a kernel issue
[17:20] <brainwash> or an issue with that particular rtc
[17:20] <brainwash> pavlos: can't enable something that isn't there
[17:21] <alkisg> Also check that it's not a timezone issue, setting your RTC to different timezone, utc, stuff like that
[17:21] <brainwash> the command "timedatectl" may give some helpful info
[17:23]  * Lachezar looks at systemd with disdain... disgusting...
[17:24] <Lachezar> Now I have to check what exactly happened at 13:11 on 27.10.2017, so that a large number of services have been /dev/null-ed
[17:24] <Scoop7> Hey, why is my universal time different from my local time ?
[17:24] <ntd> Lachezar, look at 17.10 release notes
[17:24] <ntd> now even ifupdown is getting systemd-d
[17:24] <Scoop7> Current default time zone: 'Europe/Stockholm'    Local time is now:      Mon Oct 30 18:23:36 CET 2017. Time is now:  Mon Oct 30 17:23:36 UTC 2017.
[17:25] <brainwash> but we talk about 16.04
[17:25] <Lachezar> ntd: 16.04 LTS. Not 17.10
[17:25] <ntd> orly?
[17:26] <Lachezar> ntd: I mean, the server is 16.04, not 17.10
[17:26] <Pici> Scoop7: because CET is UTC+1 (currently)
[17:26] <alkisg> Scoop7: CET is 1 hour ahead of UTC, what exactly are you asking?
[17:26] <Scoop7> idk
[17:26] <Scoop7> well ok then
[17:28] <ioria> Lachezar, you probably masked it
[17:29] <alkisg> hwclock is null'ed by default
[17:30] <endboss> Hi, which one out of lubuntu.net and lubuntu.me is the official website?
[17:30] <ioria> alkisg,  ok, but he said a large number of services have been /dev/null-ed
[17:31] <alkisg> ioria, Lachezar: # ls -lha /lib/systemd/* | grep null | wc -l
[17:31] <alkisg> 36
[17:31] <Lachezar> I can't see an update, but I do see a systemd update from earlier today.
[17:31] <cristian_c> hi
[17:31] <brainwash> ioria: but it's in /lib, and those files are managed by the systemd package
[17:31] <cristian_c> How could I enable / switch to evdev once installed?
[17:31] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[17:33] <brainwash> probably by removing other xorg-input packages
[17:33] <cristian_c> :O
[17:33] <cristian_c> I'll check what packages are involved
[17:34] <cristian_c> brainwash: thanks for the idea
[17:34] <Lachezar> Hm. Looks like the update from today has (re)linked lots of services to /dev/null. No way to find if it was running before that.
[17:35] <Lachezar> Well thanks all for the chat. I'll be manually updating the clock every once in a while.
[17:35] <brainwash> you could write a systemd service for that...
[17:35]  * brainwash runs
[17:36] <Lachezar> brainwash: run, run you ;)
[17:36] <Lachezar> This systemd is like a virus… Or a cancer. Or a cancerous virus.
[17:39] <arbitrarystring> maybe you could have cron do it periodically?
[17:45] <Lachezar> arbitrarystring: Unless systemd decides, that it'll do cron's job, and links it to /dev/null. Joking, but not really.
[17:57] <alkisg> Lachezar: grep RTC.*SYS /boot/config-4.10.0-37-generic  => CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS=y CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE="rtc0" CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC=y CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC_DEVICE="rtc0"
[17:57] <alkisg> Lachezar: the kernel syncs the clock, if it doesn't do it for you, that's what you should be researching, not systemd
[17:58] <alkisg> HCTOSYS means read it at startup, SYSTOHC means write it back every 11 mins
[17:58] <alkisg> And /dev/rtc0 is supposed to be the interface to the clock
[17:59] <Pici> /2/25
[18:00] <roobi> Is it possible to vary the frequency at which the kernel syncs time?
[18:00] <roobi> without recompiling it?
[18:00] <alkisg> I don't think so
[18:00] <roobi> I wonder why 11 minutes is the standard.
[18:00] <alkisg> You can disable the synching and do it manually
[18:00] <roobi> Ahh
[18:03] <jmc675> hello i'm very new to ubuntu and would like some help with dual booting with windows if possible
[18:04] <alkisg> jmc675: in general, install windows first, ubuntu second, and it's automatic
[18:04] <alkisg> Have you already set it up and you have issues?
[18:04] <jmc675> yeah
[18:04] <jmc675> basically i cannot boot into windows anymore
[18:05] <alkisg> What is the error message?
[18:05] <roobi> Is windows or ubuntu providing an error or are you unable to view the BIOS BOOT Selection Menu?
[18:06] <jmc675> windows was not listed in GRUB menu but I was able to boot into it by going into the boot menu with f12, however I ran boot-repair to try to fix this and now it just takes me back to the GRUB menu every time
[18:06] <jmc675> not an error message, just takes me to GRUB menu when I try to boot windows
[18:07] <alkisg> Let's first see if you have uefi or mbr. Do you have the output of the bootinfoscript of boot-repair?
[18:07] <alkisg> It has an option that reports all related info
[18:07] <alkisg> *uefi or bios
[18:07] <jmc675> yeah i have a pastebin report from boot-repair
[18:08] <alkisg> OK, paste it here
[18:08] <alkisg> (the link)
[18:08] <jmc675> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25853040/
[18:10] <cosmicfires> what's the ipv6 equivalent of host?
[18:10] <alkisg> jmc675: GRUB_DEFAULT is broken, set it to "Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/nvme0n1p1)" without the extra text
[18:11] <jmc675> okay let me take a look
[18:12] <jmc675> do I set this in grub.cfg?
[18:12] <alkisg> jmc675: in /etc/default/grub; then run sudo update-grub; then pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:13] <roobi> cosmicfires: ::1
[18:15] <jmc675> so remove all text eg --class windows  --class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-efi-FCD7-920D' {"
[18:15] <alkisg> Yes
[18:15] <alkisg> You probably manually put it there, but it's a syntax error like this
[18:16] <alkisg> Full line: GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/nvme0n1p1)"
[18:18] <jmc675> ok
[18:18] <jmc675> let me try
[18:19] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[18:20] <MaskedDriver> I'm having a lot of trouble with my combo audio jack. Neither input nor output work. It's like it doesn't recognize that anything has been plugged in
[18:21] <MaskedDriver> I have a launchpad bug in, but nobody is voting on it or anything, so nothing is happening (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1728093)
[18:23] <jmc675> okay alkisg, here is the pastbin of grub.cfg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25853271/
[18:23] <brainwash> MaskedDriver: maybe test with a newer kernel version
[18:23] <brainwash> MaskedDriver: from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[18:23] <MaskedDriver> brainwash, yeah, I tried that. I installed 4.13 with no success
[18:24] <brainwash> ah ok
[18:24] <MaskedDriver> lol it's frustrating
[18:24] <brainwash> I suggest adding this info to your bug report
[18:24] <MaskedDriver> ok
[18:25] <MaskedDriver> done
[18:25] <MaskedDriver> is there a channel for alsa?
[18:26] <brainwash> furthermore, I would boot the 17.10 live iso and see if that helps with the audio issue
[18:26] <brainwash> there probably is an alsa channel
[18:27] <brainwash> #alsa
[18:27] <MaskedDriver> brainwash, yep, tried that too lol
[18:27] <MaskedDriver> I'm basically completely out of options now
[18:27] <MaskedDriver> I just don't think it's supported
[18:27] <MaskedDriver> this is a brand new model of 2-in-1 laptop, so I'm not surprised
[18:27] <brainwash> I read that
[18:28] <brainwash> intel kabylake
[18:28] <brainwash> did you test with a different distribution yet?
[18:29] <brainwash> latest fedora for example
[18:30] <MaskedDriver> brainwash, I have not. I've been a little too busy doing work to try things like that
[18:30] <MaskedDriver> but that's a good idea
[18:30] <MaskedDriver> didn't even think of loading fedora or arch or anything
[18:30] <MaskedDriver> thank you. I'll do that and add to the bug with my finding
[18:30] <MaskedDriver> s
[18:31] <MaskedDriver> it works fine in Windows 10 (as you saw in the bug report), so there's that lol
[18:31] <alkisg> jmc675: seems ok, try to boot it
[18:31] <jmc675> alright will do. thanks. i'll let you know how it went
[18:36] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[18:37] <jmc675> still wasn't able to boot windows
[18:39] <jmc675> the windows boot manager took me to bitlocker recovery and when i skipped to go to windows 10 i just get taken back to GRUB menu every time
[18:42] <bloop> is gparted available as part of the ubuntu 17 live cd installer ?
[18:42] <bloop> in other words, can i run gparted outside of the installer on ubuntu 17 live cd
[18:43] <bloop> because I've been trying to get gparted live to work on my USB drive but it doesn't work
[18:45] <brainwash> bloop: yes, it's included
[18:45] <bloop> ok thanks!
[18:46] <brainwash> see http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.manifest
[18:46] <BluesKaj> bloop, you can also install gparted as a live media OS on a usb stick
[18:47] <bloop> BluesKaj, I tried
[18:47] <bloop> but it ends up each time with a compressed data corrupt message each time
[18:47] <brainwash> BluesKaj: pay attention to what people write :P
[18:47] <bloop> I tried so many things at this point
[18:48] <BluesKaj> I just got here, guess I should marked myself away earler
[18:48] <akik> bloop: which version of gparted iso doesn't work for you?
[18:48] <bloop> .30
[18:49] <bloop> i tried both 32 and 64
[18:49] <bloop> the make bootable bash script didn't seem to work
[18:49] <bloop> but first I tried using the ubuntu startup disk creator
[18:49] <bloop> and that's when it said xz compressed data corruption
[18:49] <akik> bloop: you just have to write the iso on the usb stick with dd
[18:50] <bloop> i didn't try that method
[18:50] <akik> i can understand the confusion reading that guide
[18:51] <akik> https://gparted.org/liveusb.php
[18:51] <bloop> yes
[18:53] <bloop> akik, i'll try this when my backups finish
[19:01] <tylnesh> Hello! Anybody else got problem with alt-shift-x keyboard shortcuts since 17.10?
[19:04] <tylnesh> I can't use any keyboard shortcuts that use alt-shift keyboard combination, not even ctrl-alt-shift. Really screws with byobu and managing workspaces
[19:05] <brainwash> tylnesh: which desktop session is that? gnome wayland?
[19:49] <edisonbulb> will work on unity continue now that ubuntu comes with gnome by default?
[19:50] <MaskedDriver> edisonbulb, I hope not
[19:50] <MaskedDriver> blow it up. make it die
[19:58] <tylnesh> Hello! Anybody else got problem with alt-shift-x keyboard shortcuts since 17.10?
[19:59] <nacc> edisonbulb: unity is in universe (community-maintained)
[19:59] <nacc> edisonbulb: there is a fork of unity8, but i'm not sure of its status
[20:01] <edisonbulb> https://yunit.io/ <-- looked it up, looks like this is it. doesn't look very active though
[20:02] <edisonbulb> thx for mentioning the fork
[20:04] <edisonbulb> so i'll keep an eye on yunit and keep using gnome for now. i was a big fan of unity (it was the first linux desktop i ever used) even though some parts of it were annoying lol
[20:04] <edisonbulb> thanks :)
[20:04] <izpele> Hi, was wondering if anyone can help... trying to attach an email (gmail web) from a file located on a network drive that I've connected thru nautilus..  when I click on attach the drive/folder does not show up on attach window. I only see local resources. However if I open nautilus outside of attach window, I see all the network drives, I assume they are mounted as they show up in nautilus? Anyone have any ideas? Thank you
[20:05] <nacc> edisonbulb: to be clear unity and unity8 are distinct things.
[20:05] <nacc> edisonbulb: if you mean the unity from 16.04, you probably mean unity
[20:17] <ioria> izpele, not very clear to me what's you're asking ... 'open nautilus outside of attach window'
[20:17] <Dro> how reset ubuntu to factory (users and everything) ?
[20:18] <nacc> Dro: reinstall?
[20:19] <oerheks> reinstall would be the most secure way indeed
[20:20] <ioria> Dro, try this and tell us how it goes http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/reset-ubuntu-desktop-default-settings
[20:21] <oerheks> "Resetter also did not uninstall/remove Snap apps, Flatpak apps or apps that I had compiled and installed manually. It did not reset settings (i.e. Unity behaviour customisations) or other configurations." ugly
[20:24] <Dro> nacc: oerheks ioria , thanks for ur help.. well I got a computer with ubuntu already installed
[20:24] <ioria> good
[20:24] <Dro> and I really don't trust whats going in background
[20:24] <ioria> me too
[20:24] <crazyzurfer> Hello, Why is that Atom works way slower in ubuntu than in a mac? for example, my friend at the office has a mac with lower specs than my ubuntu PC and his atom works without delays, my computer, which has better SSD, better RAM, Better processor, works slower, even with the same packages
[20:25] <Dro> not sure if there is a soft spying me or something
[20:25] <ioria> for sure
[20:25] <nacc> Dro: why do you think that?
[20:25] <Dro> any idea how can I make sure i'm safe without reinstalling?
[20:25] <izpele> ioria.. sorry prob not explaining correctly.. if I open nautilus I can open my network drives, copy, paste, open , etc... but if I try to attach a file from my network drive I don't see any of my network drives listed in the popup window
[20:25] <Dro> nacc: well I dunno :D since I didn't installed it myself, can't trust anyone else :D
[20:25] <nacc> Dro: then reinstall it.
[20:26] <Dro> well thats the last plan :P
[20:26] <izpele> ioria.. i also cannot directly save a download from my browser to the network drive. I have to save it locally then copy and paste to the network drive
[20:27] <nacc> Dro: presuming you think you are unsafe, you cannot trust the system. I'm not sure how you'd go to a trusted place from an untrusted. It's illogical.
[20:27] <oerheks> crazyzurfer, his 'atom mac' ??
[20:28] <ioria> izpele,  using what fot those nt shares ? nfs, samba, or even sftp   ...
[20:28] <oerheks> lolz even if apple made an atom mac, don't compare operatingsystems without simular specs
[20:28] <Dro> nacc: maybe there is a way to reset it without need to reinstall
[20:28] <Dro> or to check for running apps
[20:29] <nacc> Dro: what would a reset look like that would not effectively be a reinstall? Also, if you *don't trust the system* you cannot check anything on the system. If you're going to be paranoid, think through your paranoia. What if the evil person who installed your computer modified the binary or program you used to check so that it tells you everything is fine?
[20:29] <forelle> hi hi
[20:30] <forelle> I'm on kubuntu and everything i select is copied to clipboard
[20:30] <forelle> I'd like to stop that from happening
[20:30] <crazyzurfer> oerheks: I mean the text editor Atom
[20:31] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[20:32] <oerheks> crazyzurfer, oh good to mention that then. it is not even an official ubuntu package, not in out repos at least.
[20:34] <crazyzurfer> oerheks: you mean, not ubuntu's problem. but are ubuntu's perfomance issues. It's the same software, same packages, better specs and works worse
[20:34] <izpele> ioria.. Iam connecting to Windows pc/shares .. when I connect thru Nautilus i enter smb://sharepc/shared1/
[20:34] <oerheks> crazyzurfer, you compared apple + atom and ubuntu+ atom, right?
[20:35] <crazyzurfer> oerheks: yes
[20:36] <oerheks> so, not an official package, "why is it slower" should be answered by the creators, they seem to use an not optimised building platform, i don t know
[20:36] <ioria> izpele,  ok, and ? you can read and write ?
[20:37] <oerheks> you should test it on an other *nix, ofcourse
[20:37] <crazyzurfer> Okay
[20:39] <crazyzurfer> Different topic: Is the top bar part of the gtk themes? I've changed to many themes and no one seem to affect the top bar color
[20:41] <arvin_> crazyzurfer: yes I think you need to download the User Themes extension from https://extensions.gnome.org and then drop a theme in ~/.themes and it will show up in the gnome-tweak-tool
[20:41] <alkisg> izpele: open nautilus to /run/user/1010/gvfs, there you'll see the smb shares as folders, so that you can use them in open/save dialogs etc
[20:43] <ioria> yeah, also that
[20:43] <crazyzurfer> arvin_: Thank you! that worked!
[20:44] <ioria> maybe 1000/gvfs
[20:45] <alkisg> Yeah, id -u
[20:46] <ioria> but ff pages are not parsed correctly
[20:46] <izpele> alkisg / ioria.. cool thanks.. let me try that. I guess I can create a shortcut/bookmark to that location in nautilus
[20:46] <alkisg> izpele: or you can symlink it to e.g. Documents/MyShares
[20:46] <arvin_> crazyzurfer: nice! np
[20:47] <ioria> izpele,  if i may, better a little more work, and copy the file to the shares after
[20:47] <nightwalkerkg> Hi, i am running latest version of Ubuntu 17.10 on open source ATI drivers (AMD Aruba) and i have noticeable lag with animations. Mostly maximize and minimize.
[20:48] <nightwalkerkg> I installed Oibaf and it did help a little, but it's still noticeable.
[20:58] <arvin_> nightwalkerkg: not sure, but you can use Impatience gnome extension to adjust animation speed or use the gnome-tweak-tool to turn off animations
[21:36] <skinux> Is there any way I can get the Applications menu back on the top panel??
[21:39] <Aliv3> does ubuntu use jails/zones or whatever?
[21:39] <Aliv3> or something similar by defualt
[21:39] <Aliv3> or is it just a free for all
[21:39] <Aliv3> if so whats the recommended software
[21:39] <arvin_> skinux: checkout gnome-tweak-tool. Top Bar tab -> Application Menu
[22:01] <nacc> Aliv3: it does not
[22:01] <Aliv3> thanks
[22:14] <Dark-Star> hey everyone. I just tried out the new Ubuntu 17.10 and I want to change the keyboard repeat rate and/or the repeat delay. It feels a lot slower than in previous releases. Is there any "official" way to do this (other than tweaking the xorg.conf or whatever)?
[22:15] <Dark-Star> ah I seem to have found it
[22:28] <alokiNikola> Hello guys
[22:28] <alokiNikola> If there is anyone alive on this channel I would use freindly advise
[22:29] <TJ-> !ask | alokiNikola
[22:33] <alokiNikola> OK, I have Asus rog G551VW laptop with win10 instaled, I have tried to install Ubuntu 17.10 as dual boot, just to find out that Im getting some firmware errors when Ubunty tries to boot up. The message I'm constantly getting is : "[4.440279] tpm_crb MSFT0101:00: [Firmware Bug]: ACPI region does not cover the entire command/response buffer. [mem 0xfed40000-0xfed4087f flags 0x200] vs fed40080 f80"
[22:33] <alokiNikola> Has anyone had same issue and how to solve it ?
[22:34] <oerheks> alokiNikola, step 1: does your vendor have a bios update?
[22:35] <alokiNikola> I have checked bios update on the official ASUS site and i only found that the newest bios version is 209, and I have installed on my system version 300, imagine that :)
[22:35] <TJ-> alokiNikola: this sounds almost identical to another user's situation with the same or similar PC we had a few days ago
[22:35] <TJ-> alokiNikola: would that have been you?
[22:35] <alokiNikola> please tell me that it is solvable :)
[22:36] <alokiNikola> No that was not me I have just registered here
[22:36] <TJ-> alokiNikola: give me a few minutes; I need to go back over my logs and my recollection is hazy so it might take some time to find that and check if it is similar
[22:36] <alokiNikola> kk waiting, thanks
[22:40] <TJ-> alokiNikola: OK, it was a  ROG GL752VW and the issue was issues with shutdown, suspend/resume not working correctly, and some ACPI errors, which we fixed with a suitable acpi_osi= entry in the kernel's command-line
[22:40] <TJ-> alokiNikola: Does Ubuntu fail to completely start, or get part-way and get stuck, or something else?
[22:42] <alokiNikola> I have managed to install it somehow so installation finished and asked computer to reboot, and then it got stuck on the  ubunty reboot screen
[22:42] <alokiNikola> when I have done hard reboot and opened GRUB loader, choose Ubunty I have ended stuck on the loading screen
[22:44] <alokiNikola> can you point me on some resource where I can read about to how to solve this issue ?
[22:45] <TJ-> alokiNikola: so the first thing is to be able to get it to start properly then. If you can get to the GRUB menu, highlight the "Ubuntu" entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." and the remove "quiet splash" and replace with: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"     and then press Ctrl+X to boot with that change, see how it goes.
[22:47] <alokiNikola> OK I have to reboot computer so I will quit this channel and will be back to let you know what happend, thanks in advance
[22:53] <beefjoe> is Shell the only way I can write a script to terminate process and launch apps ? or can it be done through another language like java ?
[22:58] <Sveta> Shell is not the only way.
[22:59] <Sveta> An example using Java: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12097095/java-exec-linux-command
[22:59] <teward> you can do it in Python too, or any number of programming/scripting languages, if you know what you're doing.
[22:59] <alokiNikola> Hello TJ
[22:59] <izpele> ioria, not sure what you mean by copy the file to the shares after?
[23:00] <beefjoe> Thanks teward !
[23:00] <alokiNikola> I have tried the command you asked me to change on my GRUB loader
[23:00] <teward> beefjoe: Shell is usually the 'easiest' because it's there, and you don't have to set up another interpreter anywhere, but I prefer Python to do things :P
[23:00] <teward> most of my admin scripts for things like that *are* python :P
[23:00] <beefjoe> true haha
[23:01] <beefjoe> I'll try to get it done using shell, but java is easier for me right now
[23:01] <teward> and I say 'shell' but i mean 'insert the shell you use here' (ZSH for me for instance)
[23:02] <alokiNikola> after that i have pressed ctrl+x to load with that changes and it started loading and I got stuck on the line where it is saying: "a start job i running for detect the available GPUs and deal with any system changes (1min 19sec /no limit)
[23:02] <john_rambo>  When I try to run conky I get this "conky: missing text block in configuration"
[23:02] <TJ-> alokiNikola: hmmmm, that is the job that is initialising the GPU(s)... does the system have dual GPUs (low/high power setup) ?
[23:02] <alokiNikola> And I allready faced with the same issue when tried to install Kali linux and  this line never endst to countdown for hours, what to do next ?
[23:03] <jl_678> Hi
[23:03] <alokiNikola> graphic card is Nvidia geforce GTX960M to tell you the truth I'm not really sure
[23:04] <alokiNikola> how many gpus it has
[23:04] <alokiNikola> let me google it
[23:05] <jl_678> Random question, so I have historically used Ubuntu with SBCs and it works great.  I now have a fanless x86 PC that I want to run Ubuntu on a USB key to burn it in.  I followed the instructions here: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#6
[23:06] <jl_678> But it asks all these install questions, I don't want that.  I just want it to boot straight from USB like my SBCs do. This seems obvious and easy, but it is not working and so I am doing something wrong even though I followed the directions.
[23:06] <jl_678> Maybe because I am using a server iso?
[23:06] <oerheks> server.iso has no live function, indeed.
[23:07] <jl_678> Okay so use Rufus and put on a desktop image and it will work?
[23:07] <TJ-> alokiNikola: I'm reading that one possible workaround, to at least get into a working system where you can fix the issue permanently, is to edit the GRUB kernel command-line (remove "quiet splash") and add "nouveau.modeset=0" then press Ctrl+X. After that other owners recommend immediately installing the nvidia proprietary drivers.
[23:07] <oerheks> jl_678, yes, you still have to do a few clicks.
[23:08] <oerheks> else use that usb, to install on a 2nd usb, 16 gb or larger
[23:08] <jl_678> Clicks are needed every time I boot?
[23:08] <alokiNikola> TJ, you mean to install drivers when I manage to boot up in to the Ubuntu ?
[23:08] <jl_678> Oh I see, so have boot on one USB and then install to a second?
[23:09] <oerheks> jl_678, yes, that would be a regular install, and you can set autologin etc
[23:09] <alokiNikola> I assume that this workaround will not goinf to affect my windows instalation right ?
[23:09] <alokiNikola> *going
[23:09] <TJ-> alokiNikola: correct, right now it's just a per-boot change to get you in. Once in you can hopefully fix it permanently
[23:09] <jl_678> Okay, so there is no image that will just bring up a normal instance with no install required?  That is how all my SBCs work and I assumed that this would work the same.
[23:10] <TJ-> alokiNikola: try booting with this new option, if you get in, come back and we'll talk you through installing the Nvidia drivers.
[23:10] <alokiNikola> OK, I need to reboot the system and I will let you know what we have managed to do with this gymnastic :)
[23:10] <jl_678> I want to minimize the hassle and just have it running Linux off of USB as a shorter term solution.  Longer term, I will install a normal OS.
[23:11] <oerheks> jl_678, i guess you have to accept a few clicks
[23:11] <jl_678> This is why I was hoping to get a fully working image to boot from USB.  Oh and it will be tested headless and so lots of clicks and stuff are not ideal either.
[23:11] <oerheks> * to start a live iso
[23:11] <jl_678> Headless makes clicks hard. :-)
[23:12] <hfp> Hi, my server keeps getting these random errors once every few days: https://i.imgur.com/S1w57iM.jpg. I check the drives SMART info, and it all seems fine with no bad sectors or errors. This is the smart data for sda http://termbin.com/npk9 and sdb http://termbin.com/mwgl. The drives look fine.   What do I try next?
[23:13] <demophobia> My computer froze, I hard-shutoff, and now my trackpad is malfunctioning. How do I restore it to its original functionality?
[23:13] <jl_678> Too demanding. Ha!
[23:14] <Sveta> demophobia: what are the symptoms?
[23:15] <demophobia> Sveta, frequently click-dragging (highlighting?) when i'm trying only to move the cursor with my finger
[23:15] <TJ-> jl_678: why not install it onto the USB using virtual machine first? As in, create a virtual machine and attach the USB device as mass storage. Attach the Desktop LiveISO (or ServerISO) as a CD-ROM. Boot the VM using the CD-ROM image. Install to the USB device. Detach the ISO and reboot the VM to prove it automatically boots from the USB. Stop the VM, remove the USB and try it on the headless system
[23:15] <demophobia> and it seems also not as responsive as it used to be, i.e. i have to move my finger more to cover the same distance on the screen
[23:16] <Sveta> demophobia: Ubuntu touch?
[23:16] <alokiNikola> Hello TJ
[23:16] <demophobia> Sveta, lubuntu 16.04.3 on a dell d620 (10 year old laptop)
[23:16] <jl_678> TJ I get that idea, but I don't happen to have a system running a hypervisor hanging around to do that. :-(
[23:17] <TJ-> jl_678: No Linux Qemu/KVM?
[23:17] <alokiNikola> I managed to boot up in to the Ubuntu, I'm wrinting from it right now thankfully :)
[23:17] <TJ-> alokiNikola: is that with the option I gave you?
[23:17] <alokiNikola> Yes
[23:17] <alokiNikola> it worked
[23:17] <alokiNikola> so now I only need to install nvidia drivers
[23:17] <jl_678> Sadly no.
[23:18] <jl_678> Is there another distro that can boot from USB to a live environment with no user intervention?
[23:18] <alokiNikola> should I open terminal ?
[23:18] <TJ-> alokiNikola: this seems promising then! Right, now open a terminal and in the shell issue the command "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[23:18] <jl_678> My SBCs all seem to work that way.
[23:18] <kostkon> !reisub | demophobia, for next time
[23:18] <TJ-> alokiNikola: you should see that at a minimum an nvidia driver will be installed
[23:19] <jl_678> TJ I would also add that I could build an environment like that, but it seems like quite a bit of work.
[23:19] <TJ-> jl_678: the DesktopISO's do but I'm not sure if the countdown to starting the "Try Ubuntu" option or just wait for you endlessly
[23:19] <alokiNikola> this is what I got > "usage: ubuntu-drivers [-h] [--package-list PATH] <command> ubuntu-drivers: error: argument <command>: invalid choice: 'autoinstal' (choose from 'list', 'devices', 'autoinstall', 'debug')"
[23:19] <TJ-> jl_678: you could do a debootstrap install to the USB rather quickly too
[23:20] <TJ-> alokiNikola: you missed off the final "l" L !
[23:20] <kostkon> demophobia, although it is disabled nowadays by default. You need to enable it first.
[23:20] <jl_678> Okay. I don't mind exploring the desktop install and seeing what that does.
[23:20] <demophobia> kostkon, must i hold down alt+Prnt Scrn while typing those letters? does it use qwerty layout even if the computer froze in dvorak?
[23:21] <jl_678> I can test it with a monitor and if it counts down then I can confirm that headless works and put it somewhere else.
[23:21] <alokiNikola> right:) i'v missed it it is now instaling a ton of something since I didnt marked to get all updates during initial ubuntu installation
[23:21] <jl_678> (I want to do the burn-in headless, but am fine setting it up with a monitor as long as I can boot it later headless.)
[23:21] <oerheks> maybe ubuntu-core is workable, it gives ssh keys, and you can install gnome desktop as a snap
[23:22] <demophobia> kostkon, i see that wikipedia page says yes, it assumes qwerty layout
[23:22] <Bashing-om> alokiNikola: -  ubuntu-drivers autoinstall - 2 ells on install :)
[23:23] <alokiNikola> right it is doin gthe work I'm getting all the updates right now
[23:24] <gbellinoz> I'm observing that menus for any Java app take 2-3 seconds to render.  This is with Java 1.8, 64 bit on an up-to-date 16.04 LTS.
[23:24] <alokiNikola> Ok so how to check now do I have good nvidia drivers ?
[23:25] <TJ-> alokiNikola: first check they're installed: "apt list -a nvidia*"
[23:25] <nacc> gbellinoz: java 1.8? what is that the version of?
[23:25] <gbellinoz> the JRE
[23:25] <jl_678> Thanks all.  Off to test out the client install
[23:25] <TJ-> alokiNikola: actually, leave off the "-a" you'll get too much info! try it without that
[23:25] <kostkon> demophobia, you can always test if it works with your layout. You need to enable first though https://askubuntu.com/a/11194/1651
[23:26] <nacc> gbellinoz: you mean the default-jre package?
[23:26] <nacc> gbellinoz: the actual jre version is one of 7, 8 or 9 in supported ubuntus
[23:26] <nacc> s/jre/java/
[23:26] <gbellinoz> nacc: Let me check which package the JRE comes from.  1.8 is Open JDK's numbering scheme, I think.
[23:27] <nacc> gbellinoz: ah i see, from java -version ?
[23:27] <alokiNikola> lol I got the same result with and without the -a :)
[23:27] <gbellinoz> nacc: Yep, it's Open JDK.
[23:27] <TJ-> alokiNikola: you see [installed] next to the nvida-<somenumbers> entry?
[23:28] <gbellinoz> Problem is, same thing is happening with PHPStorm, which has its own JRE rolled into it.
[23:28] <alokiNikola> but for example a sample of what I have listed : "nvidia-375-dev/artful 384.90-0ubuntu3 amd64 nvidia-384/artful,now 384.90-0ubuntu3 amd64 [installed] nvidia-384-dev/artful 384.90-0ubuntu3 amd64 nvidia-cg-dev/artful 3.1.0013-2 amd64 nvidia-cg-doc/artful,artful 3.1.0013-2 all nvidia-cg-toolkit/artful 3.1.0013-2 amd64 nvidia-common/artful 1:0.4.23 amd64 nvidia-cuda-dev/artful 8.0.61-1 amd64"
[23:28] <TJ-> gbellinoz: have you checked how much CPU time those processes are using?
[23:28] <TJ-> alokiNikola: looks perfect. I suggest you reboot now and test it. No need to edit the kernel command line this time either
[23:28] <gbellinoz> about 30% - unusual.  Before my system-wide update, java never even showed up.
[23:28] <gbellinoz> (in top CPU users)
[23:29] <kostkon> gbellinoz, I'm getting normal menu behaviour here, albeit in relatively light java apps
[23:29] <alokiNikola> OK tell me one more thing TJ
[23:29] <TJ-> gbellinoz: check /var/log/apt/history.log, see what packages were updated that might be relevant
[23:29] <kostkon> gbellinoz, 16.04 64bit openjdk 1.8
[23:29] <alokiNikola> Can I use same solution for my Kali linux also since Im experiencing same issue with it ?
[23:29] <gbellinoz> kostkon: bugger.  Dual monitor setup?  built-in intel graphics?
[23:30] <kostkon> gbellinoz, no
[23:30] <TJ-> alokiNikola: if it supports installing the nvidia drivers too, then yes.
[23:30] <demophobia> kostkon, is it alt+prntscrn or is it alt+sysrq? because my sysrq = Fn+PrntScrn
[23:30] <TJ-> alokiNikola: probably the same workaround to get it started initially, then install those drivers
[23:30] <gbellinoz> TJ-: 100s, as it was a full apt upgrade
[23:30] <demophobia> so would i need to press Fn+Alt+PrntScrn then?
[23:31] <TJ-> gbellinoz: did the system do a reboot since then?
[23:31] <gbellinoz> TJ-: yes
[23:31] <kostkon> demophobia, alt+prntscr yes
[23:31] <gbellinoz> I seem to get a java weirdness just like this every few years or so.
[23:31] <demophobia> kostkon, that askubuntu post you shared says instead alt+sysrq ...
[23:31] <TJ-> gbellinoz: so not likely a library versioning issue then. I'd be applying some profiling/debugging options to the JVM when it starts
[23:32] <nacc> gbellinoz: what do you mean by a "full apt upgrade" exactly?
[23:32] <demophobia> but i'm using 16, not 12, so maybe it's already enabled
[23:32] <gbellinoz> TJ-: Am capable of that... have to dig a little as the applications wrap everything in startup scripts...
[23:33] <kostkon> demophobia, no, I think it's the prntscr you are supposed to press
[23:33] <gbellinoz> nacc: Used aptitude, told it to mark upgradeable, hit go.
[23:33]  * demophobia tries it
[23:33] <gbellinoz> Should be same as apt upgrade
[23:34] <kostkon> demophobia, I don't know anymore lol, try pressing it with and without fn
[23:35] <TJ-> It worked :)
[23:35] <nacc> gbellinoz: just surprising that you had 100s of packages queued up to update
[23:36] <gbellinoz> nacc - I use unattended upgrades to do nightly updates to anything vulnerable - thunderbird, firefox.  For the rest of it, I update only when I have some time between projects.  For this exact reason :)
[23:36] <TJ-> gbellinoz: is it a system-service or user application?
[23:37] <gbellinoz> TJ-: The Java apps?  user applications.
[23:39] <TJ-> gbellinoz: I'd use something like 'top', ignore idle (press "I") and have it list all the threads belonging to the process (press "H") and possibly tree-view (press "V")
[23:39] <TJ-> gbellinoz: that might indicate the issue is in a single thread or is shared across several
[23:40] <TJ-> gbellinoz: oops, "i" not "I" of course!
[23:41] <gbellinoz> TJ-: Good idea.  Yeah, I = "trix mode" New to me!
[23:41] <gbellinoz> I'm having trouble 'catching' the Java process.  Give me a minute.
[23:42] <gbellinoz> oh "Irix" mode... as in the obscure OS.
[23:42] <gbellinoz> Alright, I"m getting off in the weeds here.
[23:42] <eein_> is there any hope once pulseaudio cant figure out a multi input card?
[23:42] <Sveta> (About the keyboard repeat rate or repeat delay in ubuntu 17.10, which Dark-Star asked 1.5 hours ago: they told me that the setting is under the "Universal Access" in the settings. If anyone is looking for solution for such problem, this may be helpful to you.)
[23:43] <eein_> for pulse that is or do you just ditch the thing
[23:43] <TJ-> eein_: in what way isn't it 'figuring it out' ? not enabling the inputs?
[23:44] <demophobia> Well, alt+prntscreen+r,e,i,s,u,b worked, apparently. not sure if it fixed my trackpad, though. thanks. what was the quit message displayed here for me?
[23:44] <kostkon> demophobia, * demophobia has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:45] <eein_> TJ-, it can play out one line output but cant take input
[23:45] <demophobia> so reisub doesn't properly shut down programs?
[23:46] <eein_> TJ-, https://imagebin.ca/v/3fcS5gtoN7gy
[23:47] <eein_> why does the mic input (its not its a line) still say B when A is clearly highlighted
[23:47] <gbellinoz> Ah, turns out GeoGebra uses its own JRE as well.  So that's FOUR different JRE's that do the same thing... super slow UI rendering.
[23:47] <gbellinoz> (or maybe it's mouse reaction - I can't really tell).
[23:48] <kostkon> demophobia, well 'e' sends sigterm to all running procs
[23:48] <TJ-> eein_: that dialog isn't pulseaudio's, it's the desktop environments. Pulseaudio's pavucontrol provides much more fine-grained control than that
[23:50] <kostkon> demophobia, and 'i' kills all the procs that didn't obey sigterm. Your irc app probably got killed with sigkill
[23:53] <demophobia> how is it safer than a hardshutoff?
[23:55] <kostkon> demophobia, because it flushes any disk writes, properly umounts your filesystems, and allows procs to terminate properly before rebooting
[23:55] <eein_> TJ-, no difference
[23:55] <eein_> the input barely moves up at full volume
[23:56] <demophobia> Might my hard shutoff have messed up my trackpad?
[23:56] <demophobia> regarding the ubuntu software?
[23:56] <TJ-> eein_: well, PA is using the ALSA drivers under the hood so maybe there's a bug there. which kernel version is running ("uname -r") ?
[23:56] <kostkon> demophobia, if something got corrupted, it might
[23:57] <eein_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:57] <demophobia> :(
[23:57] <eein_> It seems like everytime you try and use a card that has anything more than a single in and out it is a fail
[23:57] <demophobia> I will see if the trackpad works in windows 7 still to verify it wasn't an overheating mechanical failure of some kind
[23:58] <eein_> TJ-, https://imagebin.ca/v/3fcVbcRnKt0Z you can see the oh so tiny input