[00:11] <LLStarks> will unity be gtk3 for oneiric?
[00:18] <RAOF> I'd presume so.
[00:37] <TheMuso> Thats assuming all the required theme support is there.
[00:40] <coz_>  good day all
[01:20] <carcara> good evening people
[01:20] <LLStarks> gnome-shell is just so absurdly polished.
[01:24] <delac> you running it on natty?
[07:58] <didrocks> good morning
[08:04] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:08] <MacSlow> m
[08:08] <MacSlow> orning folks
[08:40] <kamstrup> didrocks: morning - so i'll merge the libunity branches from https://bugs.launchpad.net/libunity/+bug/747677 - so an ABI break is comming down the pipe today. I'll bump the soname of libunity
[08:42] <didrocks> so so…
[08:42] <didrocks> places have to be rebuild
[08:42] <didrocks> and all libunity rdepends?
[08:43] <didrocks> kamstrup: it's not only an API addition as there are some removals, isn't it?
[08:43] <didrocks> kamstrup: Is the removal acked by the other bug for FFe?
[08:45] <kamstrup> didrocks: Oh, I thought the removal was part of the FFE
[08:45] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think it's another one
[08:45] <kamstrup> didrocks: dbarth wrote in the FFE request "we're removing an API that only the U1 client was really using..."
[08:45] <didrocks> kamstrup: can you just check? I saw pitti had concerns
[08:46] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/747311
[08:46] <didrocks> ok, it's approved
[08:46] <didrocks> can you link the other bug?
[08:46] <didrocks> so, I have to rebuild every libunity rdepends :/
[08:47] <kamstrup> didrocks: yeah - you should make sabdfl do it :-)
[08:47] <didrocks> kamstrup: heh :)
[08:47] <kamstrup> didrocks: both bugs are linked to the libunity ms for today
[08:48] <didrocks> but you are kamstrup and you bump the soname! :)
[08:48] <didrocks> so, it makes my life a little easier!
[08:48] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent :)
[08:48] <kamstrup> didrocks: i bump sonames like you eat peas!
[08:48] <didrocks> heh :-)
[08:48] <kamstrup> not sure that's a good thing, byt wtf :-)
[08:48]  * didrocks waits for libunity42
[08:50] <kamstrup> \o/
[08:56] <didrocks> kamstrup: do you think you can make some release early?
[08:56] <kamstrup> didrocks: I think so, maybe around 12 CET?
[08:56] <didrocks> kamstrup: sound good
[08:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: that gives me a little time to dogfood it - or I can do it earlier, but without dogfooding...
[08:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: well, give it some test with the current unity first :)
[08:57] <kamstrup> k
[08:57] <didrocks> normally, the signals should be ignored
[08:57] <didrocks> but better to check ;)
[09:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: do you know if the workspace switcher icon has changed this week?
[09:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: after an update I get the old pink one in Unity 2D now
[09:52] <didrocks> Kaleo: yeah, same here
[09:52] <Kaleo> didrocks: same in Unity?
[09:52] <didrocks> Kaleo: it's in the theme, check with sladen
[09:52] <didrocks> Kaleo: right
[09:52] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks for confirming
[09:52] <didrocks> yw :)
[09:53] <Kaleo> didrocks: do you know if you have a bug report? we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/751450
[09:53] <didrocks> Kaleo: we don't IIRC
[09:53] <sladen> Kaleo: it got reverted from Humanity as it needs to go into unity-asset-pool/ubuntu-mono instead
[09:54] <Kaleo> sladen: does that mean we will have to change the code?
[09:56] <sladen> Kaleo: only https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/750471  which apparently isn't happening in all cases where an Icon is requested from Gtk+
[09:57] <Kaleo> sladen: do you also have a bug report regarding the upload to unity-asset-pool/ubuntu-mono ?
[10:00] <Kaleo> sladen: also, do you know who is going to be in charge of fixing the bold fonts in qt apps introduced recently? #744812 #741862
[10:01] <Kaleo> sladen: I replied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mono/+bug/752607 too
[10:07] <spikeb> bah, firefox doesn't use the overlay scrollbars
[10:15] <sladen> Kaleo: Qt font is bug #741862 ;  Icon upload is bug #745647
[10:16] <Kaleo> sladen: thans
[10:16] <Kaleo> k
[10:16] <Kaleo> sladen: do you know who is going to be in charge of bug #741862 ?
[10:17] <sladen> Kaleo: I don't have a solution.  The worst case is that if it's not fixed, we drop the Light and Medium weights from ttf-ubuntu-font-family until post release
[10:17] <Kaleo> ok
[10:17] <Kaleo> sladen: but are you in charge?
[10:21] <sladen> Kaleo: since it's semi font-related, I fear so
[10:23] <rdale_> I have two email addresses associated with my launchpad account. i've recently subscribed to the ayatana-dev mailing list. i would like to be able to both post and receive mails from my codethink account. but it seems if i try and send from my codethink account, the mails bounce. if i send from the gmail account it works fine, but the mails go to the codethink one. does anyone know how to get launchpad to work with a specific mail
[10:23] <rdale_> address if you have more than one?
[10:27] <Kaleo> sladen: sorry about that, if I can help in any way, please let me know
[10:27] <spikeb> the dock really needs a show desktop button heh
[10:39] <\sh> any plans on upgrading libappindicator from 0.2.x to 0.3 (before natty release)? or is 0.3 targeted for 11.10?
[10:40] <\sh> furthermore the python example  on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators doesn't work on natty...actually it doesn't show the indicator-messages-new icon anymore, it worked on maverick..
[10:59] <kamstrup> didrocks: I think you already distropatched the updated assets into u-p-f right? There has been no changes since last week at least
[10:59] <kamstrup> last change was 24-03-2011
[11:00] <kamstrup> r169
[11:00] <didrocks> kamstrup: I didn't distro-patch, I pushed that in trunk
[11:01] <didrocks> isn't it the right icon?
[11:01] <didrocks> I think sladen should have a new update
[11:01] <didrocks> but the trunk should be the current icon, let me check
[11:02] <didrocks> kamstrup: confirmed, icons are right :) (and I cherry-picked them in the packaging)
[11:16] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, seems it's just libunity and u-p-a today then
[11:17] <didrocks> kamstrup: and so, rebuild u-p-f and all other rdepends :)
[11:17] <kamstrup> didrocks: yeah, that'll be your headache, i'll be slacking off while you're at it :-D
[11:18] <didrocks> kamstrup: you know how I can avoid that headache? :-)
[11:18] <didrocks>  /quit
[11:18] <kamstrup> hehe
[11:18] <didrocks>  ^ it's just easy on IRC! :)
[11:18] <kamstrup> i'll fetch coffee for you and give you a back rub
[11:19] <didrocks> heh :)
[11:19] <kamstrup> ok, less talk, more tarball rolling
[11:19] <didrocks> $ apt-cache rdepends libunity3 | wc -l
[11:19] <didrocks> 14
[11:19] <kamstrup> ?!
[11:19] <didrocks> hum, not fun!
[11:19]  * kamstrup had no idea it was that many
[11:19] <didrocks> 8 real libunity rdepends
[11:19] <didrocks> (one you removed dbgsym, -dev, gir-)
[11:20] <didrocks> seb128: do you want to play a fun game? :)
[11:20] <seb128> didrocks, not really? ;-)
[11:20] <spikeb> haha
[11:20] <seb128> didrocks, you should have notice I'm not a fun guy ;-)
[11:20] <seb128> didrocks, do you change soname and need rebuilds?
[11:20] <didrocks> seb128: come on! you always tell that you want to handle unity things as well :p
[11:21] <kamstrup> didrocks: I guess you didn't count in the rdeps of gir1.2-unity-3.0?
[11:21] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, kamstrup is a good upstream :)
[11:21] <didrocks> he bumps soname!
[11:21] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, for the 8 real ones
[11:21] <seb128> kamstrup, does the gir rdepends actually need an update?
[11:21] <kamstrup> not sure
[11:21] <kamstrup> probably not...
[11:22] <didrocks> well, it's generated by libunity anyway…
[11:22] <kamstrup> i mean, they could break at runtime, but rebuilding them wouldn't catch that unless they have some tests suites to catch a changing libunity
[11:22] <didrocks> yeah, anyway, it will be rebuilt with libunity
[11:23] <didrocks> kamstrup: so libunity4, isn't it?
[11:23] <kamstrup> yes
[11:23]  * didrocks prepares rdepends meanwhile
[11:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: what's the version? 4.0.0
[11:25] <didrocks> or stil 3.8.4 to follow unity?
[11:25] <didrocks> still*
[11:25] <kamstrup> didrocks: I stick to the Unity versioning scheme
[11:25] <didrocks> ok :)
[11:25] <kamstrup> didrocks: otherwise we'd also break the VAPI and GIR users etc
[11:26] <kamstrup> => world collapses
[11:26] <didrocks> zomg!
[11:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: https://launchpad.net/libunity/3.0/3.8.4
[11:29] <didrocks> kamstrup: thanks!
[11:30] <didrocks> kamstrup: do you have a milestone with all the bugs? ;)
[11:30] <kamstrup> didrocks: there are only the 3 bug fixes you see there
[11:30] <kamstrup> didrocks: or do you mean all the Unity Foundations bugs?
[11:30] <kamstrup> or?
[11:31] <didrocks> kamstrup: ok, I shouldn't have asked, all is updated and cleaned, I don't have to dig myself :-)
[11:32] <didrocks> kamstrup: bug #747677 is fix committed though?
[11:32] <didrocks> kamstrup: because the branch is set to ": Needs Fixing", ,so you didn't remove the API?
[11:34] <kamstrup> didrocks: no the branch was merged as is
[11:34] <didrocks> kamstrup: oh ok, missed that email then :)
[11:34] <didrocks> yeah, confirmed in the VCS
[11:34] <kamstrup> didrocks: it's the unity branch, not the libunity branch, i marked as needsfixing
[11:34] <didrocks> like the "WARNING", can you make it red? :p
[11:35] <didrocks> oh right
[11:35] <kamstrup> didrocks: <blink>WARNING</blink>
[11:35] <didrocks> heh, it has to come to "blink" at some point! :)
[11:35] <spikeb> haha
[11:35] <kamstrup> that or marquee
[11:38] <spikeb> heh
[11:38] <spikeb> my mind's eye is going blind
[11:52] <didrocks> kamstrup: app places? :)
[11:54] <kamstrup> didrocks: there you go https://launchpad.net/unity-place-applications/trunk/0.2.46
[11:54] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent \o/
[11:56] <didrocks> kamstrup: you screwed a merge btw, I have proof now! :)
[11:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: see rev 200.1.1, that was trunk :)
[11:58] <kamstrup> didrocks: huah?! how did that happen?!
[11:58] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think you didn't bzr pull before merging :)
[11:58] <kamstrup> didrocks: ah, maybe i forgot to pull beofre I merged
[11:58] <kamstrup> didrocks: sorry dude
[11:58] <didrocks> right
[11:58] <didrocks> kamstrup: no worry ;)
[11:59] <didrocks> nice work on the url launch
[11:59] <kamstrup> didrocks: i bet you worked many a sleepless night on 200.1.1
[11:59] <kamstrup> ;-)
[12:00] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, it was days and days of tortures :-)
[12:00] <kamstrup> didrocks: yeah, with Bilal's branch it was just a regex away
[12:00] <kamstrup> didrocks: indeed!
[12:05] <didrocks> kamstrup: all looks good, uploading and rebuilding rdepends! :)
[12:06] <kamstrup> sweet!
[12:35] <adalal> heya there, anyone knows how to add amsn to the new unity systray on natty?
[12:49] <adalal> heya there, anyone knows how to add amsn to the new unity systray on natty?
[12:51] <spikeb> no clue here
[12:53] <adalal> it's a bit annoying, because I can't add amsn, or skype
[12:55] <zniavre> skype should be   non ?
[12:56] <adalal> it should be.. dont know why it isnt @S
[12:56] <adalal> :S
[12:57] <humphreybc> kazade: Nice!
[12:57] <adalal> gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist ... ['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Mumble', 'Wine', 'Skype', 'hp-systray']
[13:09] <coz_>  good day all
[14:17] <klattimer> dbarth: looks like me and mterry fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames/+bug/729022
[14:19] <klattimer> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames/+bug/729022 looks like we fixed :D
[14:19] <seb128> klattimer, hey
[14:19] <seb128> way to go!
[14:20] <klattimer> tough stuff, sphinx, sql and a lot of slow queries later
[14:21] <seb128> it needs a server rollout as well to be working?
[14:35] <seb128> klattimer, nice work on the indicator btw ;-)
[14:36] <klattimer> thanks
[14:36] <klattimer> it's been hard
[14:36] <klattimer> but worth it I think
[14:36] <klattimer> a grid menu layout would have made it better I think
[14:37] <klattimer> the keyboard stuff is a real thorn it it
[14:37] <klattimer> in it
[14:45] <vish> zniavre: checkout bug 711561 now ;)
[14:57] <tedg> kenvandine, indicator-application has only a one character change in trunk.  And I need to get some other things fixed in it.  Distro patch for today?
[14:58] <kenvandine> sure
[14:58] <kenvandine> one character...haha
[14:59] <tedg> kenvandine, It changes the order of nm-applet.
[14:59] <tedg> kenvandine, Visually it's a big change :-)
[15:36] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ping
[15:37] <kamstrup> kenvandine: pongo
[15:37] <kenvandine> hey, question about dee
[15:37] <kenvandine> so i know you can get_schema to get the types in an array
[15:37] <kenvandine> but is there anyway to get more info about what is in those?
[15:38] <kenvandine> i am thinking about a way for clients to discover the schema and actual data
[15:38] <kenvandine> i assume right now we have to have maybe a separate model or interface that returns a list of what is in each field for a mapping
[15:40] <kenvandine> get_schema returns (s,s,s,u,s,s) i would love a get_schema_details that returned (name, message, url, time, stream, service)
[15:40] <kenvandine> and the owner of the model would set that with the schema
[15:42] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i did get gwibber-service to create a model for a stream last night, and made njpatel's StreamView widget display it in the new client :)
[15:43] <kamstrup> kenvandine: there's a bug on this if I understand you correct - basically support for "named" columns like traditional relational dbs
[15:43] <kamstrup> ?
[15:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:43] <kamstrup> because that could also be used to implement some awesome ORM like features for Python and QML
[15:43] <kenvandine> so i can deal better with changing the schema without needing to change everything that subscribes to it
[15:43] <kenvandine> indeed
[15:44] <kamstrup> alternatively we implement this purely in Python on top of Dee as is
[15:44] <kenvandine> so all the client needs to know is it needs a name, account, message, url, and icon
[15:44] <kamstrup> although that's less cool
[15:44] <kenvandine> it subscribes to the model, and programatically figures out which columns is which
[15:45] <kamstrup> right
[15:45] <kenvandine> that can't be hard to implement though?
[15:45] <kamstrup> not really no
[15:46] <kenvandine> ok, and it sounds useful right?
[15:46] <kamstrup> it may require a protocol change though, if we wanna toss the names across the bus as well
[15:47] <kenvandine> yeah, so maybe for oneiric :)
[15:47] <kamstrup> yes
[15:47] <kenvandine> excellent
[15:47] <kamstrup> also we could consider an ABI break to have proper integration in the API instaed grafting it on
[15:47] <kenvandine> then i'll plan for that in the client
[15:47] <kenvandine> that would be nice too
[15:48] <kenvandine> not sure how this would map to the other languages
[15:48] <kenvandine> but perhaps a get_schema_map
[15:48] <kenvandine> that returned something like a dictionary
[15:49] <kenvandine> i guess an array of arrays?
[15:49] <kamstrup> Yeah, maybe typedef struct { gchar *column_name; GVariantType *column_type; } DeeColumnSpec;
[15:49] <kenvandine> and perhaps in the python overrides we could bolt on an object around that to make it super awesome
[15:50] <kamstrup> and then change set_schema() to take a DeeColumnSpec[]
[15:50] <kamstrup> but dunno
[15:50] <kenvandine> ok
[15:50] <kenvandine> well glad you are already thinking about it
[15:50] <kenvandine> imo it is a must have feature
[15:50] <kenvandine> otherwise we need a way to version the models or something
[15:51] <kamstrup> lots of options, i just wanna keep the API as simple and straight forward as possible :-) So maybe DeeColumnSpec is over the top...
[15:51] <kamstrup> indeed
[15:51] <kenvandine> kamstrup, do you have a road map of some sort for dee?
[15:51] <kamstrup> kenvandine: it's also becoming evident to me that linking models by row-offset with sections and groups is a bad idea
[15:51] <kenvandine> or is it all bugs in lp?
[15:51] <kamstrup> kenvandine: I just use dee bugs
[15:52] <kenvandine> ok
[15:52] <kenvandine> why is that bad?
[15:52] <kenvandine> wait... linking models?
[15:53] <kenvandine> maybe i didn't understand something there... how are they linked?
[15:53] <kamstrup> kenvandine: like in results_model we specify the group with an integer that is the row offset into the groups model
[15:54] <kenvandine> oh
[15:54] <kenvandine> yeah, that will cause pain
[15:54] <kamstrup> kenvandine: one problem: Unity wants to select sections from the Dash homescreen. It does that by hardcoding section values for each place and then calling SetActiveSection(section) over dbus
[15:55] <kamstrup> but if I now wanna re-sort my sections according to locale or something
[15:55] <kamstrup> ==> madness ensues
[15:55] <kenvandine> right
[15:55] <kamstrup> so some sort of "primary key" concept would be handy
[15:55] <kamstrup> and use that for linking
[15:55] <kenvandine> interesting
[15:56] <kenvandine> so what unity does then is link all these models together based on off-sets?
[15:56] <kamstrup> yes
[15:56] <kenvandine> and then down inside my lens i do something similar
[15:56] <kamstrup> really it's exactly like arelational db
[15:56] <kamstrup> yes
[15:56] <kenvandine> so it all bubbles up to your big one in unity
[15:56] <kamstrup> exactemundo
[15:57] <kenvandine> makes total sense... i hadn't really thought about how it worked outside of my lens :)
[15:57] <kenvandine> yeah, so relying on a offset is going to paint us into a corner...
[15:58] <kamstrup> so in some sense dee, places, and unity hand code what a relational db usually gives you
[15:58] <kamstrup> so my plan was to push a little of that logic into dee
[15:58] <kamstrup> by introducing a PK concept of some sort
[15:58] <kamstrup> the danger here is making the API to complex
[15:58] <kamstrup> i really really wanna KIS
[15:58] <kenvandine> understand
[15:59] <kenvandine> the nice thing though, in the case of unity, i really only have to worry about my little area
[15:59] <kenvandine> and you just consume that
[15:59] <kamstrup> yeah
[15:59] <kenvandine> which is very cool
[15:59] <kamstrup> yeah, you just implement the model in classic mvc
[15:59] <kenvandine> but it probably needs to be a little more dynamic
[15:59] <kenvandine> like the problem of sorting how you get results in the dash
[16:00] <kenvandine> you do that in the order you know about the lenses right?
[16:00] <kenvandine> s/results/groups/
[16:01] <kenvandine> ideally that should be more programmatic, based on learned behavior
[16:02] <kenvandine> so if i frequently choose launching an application from my search result...those should bubble up to the top
[16:02] <kenvandine> but you couldn't do that as it is today, right?
[17:25] <om26er> lamalex, Hi! what do i do with bugs with no retraced stacktrace plus not reproduce able?
[17:26] <lamalex> om26er, i usually just mark them invalid and tell the user why and to please report again if it happens
[17:29] <lamalex> om26er, what are you working on?
[17:30] <om26er> lamalex, NEW
[17:30] <lamalex> super
[17:31] <om26er> there should be a stock reply for that
[18:12] <lamalex> om26er, what new queue are you doing?
[18:12] <lamalex> it doesn't seem like the numbers are going down fast enough for the two of us to both be working on it simultaneously
[18:13] <lamalex> do you do upstream unity or source package?
[18:13] <om26er> i am doing upstream bugs lamalex
[18:13] <om26er> its going down
[18:18] <om26er> lamalex, so I generally leave the multi-monitor bugs as they are, should there be a tag for multi-monitor issues?
[18:18] <lamalex> om26er, we don't have one but i'm not opposed to using one
[18:19] <lamalex> how about "multimonitor"
[18:19] <lamalex> :P
[18:19] <om26er> i was going for multi-m but yeah multimonitor would be fine
[18:20] <lamalex> yeah let's do the less ambiguous one
[19:35] <tedg> kenvandine, indicator-application is my last there.
[19:35] <kenvandine> ok
[19:38] <nhaines> tedg: that's going to fix the stub menus, right?
[19:39] <tedg> nhaines, That's the indicator-appmenu and unity releases.  But, yes, today's release should fix those.
[19:40] <nhaines> yay
[20:01] <Omega> Has anyone been getting a freeze lately when maximising a window?
[20:02] <Omega> It happened twice today.
[20:17] <kamusin> which package should I mark as affected/assign for issues related to global menu? Thanks
[20:18] <tedg> kamusin, Depends on the issue :-)
[20:20] <kamusin> tedg, there is an option with banshee that doesn't work in global menu, however it works fine with classic desktop
[20:20] <om26er> star thingy?
[20:20] <tedg> kamusin, That's probably dbusmenu
[20:20] <kamusin> om26er, ;)
[20:21] <kamusin> yes it is,  rating songs with global menu just don't go
[20:22] <om26er> bug 626808 could be related
[20:22] <om26er> grid is not supported in appmenu it seems
[20:24] <kamusin> thank you om26er , you got the clue :P
[20:25]  * om26er unassigns bratsche as assignee
[20:27] <om26er> and the trick is assign it to yourself and then unassign, #launchpad
[20:28] <Dart> is there a way to sort software center apps rating wise?
[21:10] <joshuahoover> anyone running dual monitors with the nvidia binary driver and not able to move windows from the main screen (where the launcher is) to the other? i try to move windows to the second screen and they "stick/snap" to the side so you can show windows side-by-side
[21:12] <joshuahoover> kind of makes having dual monitors pointless ;)
[21:30] <Dart> after todays unity update, bfb is behaving in strange way...clicking it brings dash but it doesn't go away when i click on bfb again.....
[21:30] <Dart> is this a feature?
[21:36] <kenvandine> Dart, i am seeing the same thing
[21:37] <Dart> kenvandine, oh its a bug?
[21:37] <kenvandine> i think so
[21:37] <kenvandine> please file it
[21:37] <Dart> all right..doing it now
[21:37] <kenvandine> thx
[21:43] <DBO> goes away immediately here
[21:48] <Dart> i just filed this Bug #754044
[21:58] <kenvandine> DBO, goes away for me on ESC
[21:58] <zniavre> good evening
[21:58] <kenvandine> but not clicking on the bfb
[21:59] <DBO> oh I see
[21:59] <DBO> what about clicking off?
[21:59] <DBO> like anywhere else on the screen
[21:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:59] <kenvandine> that works
[21:59] <zniavre> i do not know if its the good place , but it seems compiz grid get something wrong since last update > no color
[21:59] <Omega> I've had two freezes today when I tried to maximise a window.
[21:59] <Omega> I'm afraid of clicking that button.
[22:01] <zniavre> Omega that s true   :o)
[22:01] <zniavre> just tried just relog
[22:01] <Omega> Have you had that too?
[22:02] <zniavre> yep
[22:02] <Omega> Alright, I'll report but I don't have a crash (it just freezes)
[22:02] <zniavre> if you got good english you must fil a report
[22:03] <Omega> I don't think that should stop anyone, if we can understand you, it's good enough!
[22:06] <Omega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/754063
[22:06] <Omega> Can you confirm it zniavre?
[22:07] <zniavre> i clicked on affected bug
[22:07] <zniavre> hey that s strange it does not freeze now
[22:08] <DBO> Omega, use gdb to get a backtrace from the point of the freeze
[22:09] <Omega> Sadly, I have never used gdb before ):
[22:10] <Daekdroom> Why won't autohide hide my launcher? :(
[22:11] <DBO> Daekdroom, use a Qt app recently?
[22:13] <zniavre> DBO,  i used gdb gedit but it froze before the gdb output do you know if i can find the debug output in my comp now?
[22:14] <DBO> zniavre, ah you need to gdb up compiz, not gedit
[22:14] <DBO> and you should run it from a TTY
[22:14] <zniavre> ho ok
[22:15] <Daekdroom> DBO, all the time :P
[22:17] <DBO> Daekdroom, its stuck out because Qt is a bastard toolkit
[22:17] <Omega> DBO: Can you set an appropriate importance to the bug pretty please? :)
[22:17] <DBO> I fixed that in the next release
[22:17] <DBO> Omega, what bug?
[22:17] <DBO> link me?
[22:17] <Omega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/754063
[22:18] <Omega> Also, I marked it as confirmed after zniavre said it also affected him.
[22:18] <Daekdroom> DBO, I see, is there a bug report about qt apps losing appmenu support every time unity is restarted?
[22:18] <DBO> Daekdroom, thats Qt being herpa-derpa
[22:18] <DBO> those guys have then tendancy to assume nothing ever goes wrong
[22:18] <DBO> which I find amusing
[22:18] <zniavre> DBO sorry im not able to export gdb compiz from tty1
[22:19] <DBO> zniavre, (gdb) set logging file /tmp/logfile
[22:19] <DBO> zniavre, (gdb) set logging on
[22:19] <DBO> then get the br
[22:19] <DBO> erm
[22:19] <DBO> bt
[22:19] <DBO> and it will pop up in that file
[22:19] <DBO> :)
[22:21] <Omega> My first critical bug, it seemed just days ago all my bugs were duplicates, I grew up so fast.
[22:22] <zniavre> Program exited with code 01.  :o(  something wrong (must be myself )
[22:23] <DBO> zniavre, break on _exit
[22:23] <DBO> then try agian
[22:23] <DBO> zniavre,
[22:23] <DBO> also in TTY you need to do
[22:23] <DBO> export DISPLAY=:0
[22:24] <zniavre> before gdb thing ?
[22:24] <lamalex> unity --advanced-debug sets all that up for you
[22:24] <lamalex> and launches you into gdb
[22:24] <zniavre> ho
[22:24] <lamalex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs#Getting%20a%20stack%20trace
[22:27] <zniavre> im sorry still unable
[22:28] <lamalex> zniavre, are you getting the same Program exited with code 01 error?
[22:31] <DBO> lamalex, REALLY!?!?
[22:31] <DBO> tahts AMAZING
[22:31] <DBO> O_O
[22:31] <zniavre> lamalex,  no wait 2sec im pasting the output
[22:32] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/590985/
[22:32] <lamalex> DBO, yah it's great
[22:32] <lamalex> it's all didrocks
[22:32] <lamalex> of course
[22:32] <DBO> didrocks, my personal hero
[22:33] <lamalex> zniavre, when it gets to that you have to type "bt"
[22:33] <Omega> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/natty-in-the-final-stretch-a-retrospective/ has a nice picture of didrocks
[22:33] <lamalex> and it should give you the trace
[22:33] <zniavre> ok let me try again
[22:33] <DBO> mwahahah
[22:34] <DBO> I am the first person with a Fix Committed on 3.8.6
[22:34] <lamalex> DAMNIT
[22:34] <DBO> let the points flow in!
[22:34] <fta> uhuh, the new unity/nux crashed. http://paste.ubuntu.com/590979/
[22:34] <lamalex> freaking dbo
[22:34] <fta> and bamfdaemon too
[22:34] <lamalex> i got distracted HELPING USERS
[22:34] <lamalex> USERS WHO QUIT IRC
[22:35] <Omega> lamalex: It probably crashed for him again ):
[22:35] <lamalex> irc?
[22:35] <Omega> everything
[22:35] <lamalex> i dont actually even know what his problem is
[22:35] <lamalex> im just helping him get a trace since dbo was failing at it
[22:35] <Omega> lamalex: When you click the maximize button, a system freeze happens.
[22:35] <lamalex> *failing*
[22:36] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/590989/
[22:37] <zniavre> that is correct ?
[22:39] <DBO> lamalex, is the hover effect in the dash broken for you?
[22:39] <lamalex> define broken
[22:39] <lamalex> it's a glowing white
[22:39] <lamalex> i assumed that was intentional
[22:40] <DBO> I dont think so
[22:40] <zniavre> btw it's difficult to exit the dash ...
[22:40] <DBO> thats been reported
[22:40] <DBO> going to look at it shortly
[22:40] <zniavre> :o(
[22:41] <zniavre> does the "bt" is helpfull ?
[22:41] <DBO> zniavre, no
[22:41] <DBO> something is still wrong with the BT you got
[22:42] <DBO> maybe lamalex can help since I am clearly retarded :P
[22:42] <zniavre> if there is one it's me
[22:43] <lamalex> yeah, i have no idea why the bt looks liek that
[22:44] <lamalex> my only guess is that something is hella messed up deeper than the unity level
[22:44] <lamalex> zniavre, so your whole desktop locks up whenever you maximize a window?
[22:46] <DBO> I work from a recliner
[22:46] <DBO> that seems relevant right now
[22:46] <zniavre> yes mouse can move but no menus no clic is working on icons
[22:47]  * lamalex works standing up
[22:47] <lamalex> in his underwear
[22:47] <lamalex> although fun fact right now i am wearing pants and sitting
[22:48] <DBO> i am wearing sweat pants
[22:48] <DBO> its not very classy
[22:48] <DBO> but functional
[22:49] <lamalex> zniavre, can you log into a classic session and see if it happens there?
[22:49] <lamalex> just to rule out that it's something else broken in the stack
[22:49] <lamalex> DBO, do you ever use bzr lp-propose-merge
[22:49] <zniavre> yes of course wait a minute
[22:50] <zniavre> lamalex,  with or without compiz ?
[22:51] <lamalex> do both?
[22:51] <lamalex> if you can
[22:51] <lamalex> DBO, review please https://code.launchpad.net/~alexlauni/unity/remove-on-uninstall-748107/+merge/56851
[22:51] <DBO> lamalex, wtf is that?
[22:51] <DBO> that sounds amazing
[22:51] <lamalex> DBO, it proposes your branch for a review from the cli
[22:51] <lamalex> bzr lp-propose -R unity-team
[22:51] <DBO> YES
[22:52]  * DBO jumps for joy
[22:52] <lamalex> DBO, in that branch, each BamfLauncherIcon gets its own GFileMonitor- that should be ok right?
[22:52] <DBO> O_o
[22:52] <lamalex> i wasn't really sure about how much overhead that would bring
[22:52] <DBO> uhm...
[22:53] <DBO> maybe not the snappiest of ideas
[22:53] <zniavre> it looks to works with compiz and metacity
[22:53] <DBO> lamalex, looks smart to me
[22:53] <DBO> lamalex, did you test it?
[22:54] <lamalex> yah it works great
[22:54] <DBO> sweet
[22:54] <lamalex> i thought about putting a watch on the dir
[22:54] <lamalex> but that doesn't help us for .desktop files not in /usr/share/applications
[22:54] <lamalex> it just seemed like the cleanest solution
[22:54] <DBO> correct
[22:55] <DBO> and in the case of apps NOT in /usr/share/applications
[22:55] <DBO> shit can it
[22:55] <lamalex> shit can it?
[22:55] <lamalex> shit-can it?
[22:55] <DBO> yes
[22:55] <DBO> lamalex, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/unity.dnd-push-off-restore/+merge/56837
[22:56] <zniavre> i hope somebody else will help you better than me i m sorry
[22:56] <DBO> zniavre, its no problem
[22:56] <DBO> I will attempt to solve the issue regardless
[22:56] <zniavre> im unable to get a correct debug output
[22:57] <zniavre> the compiz grid is working well in gnome session (not in unity , no colored background)
[22:57] <DBO> O_o
[22:58] <DBO> zniavre, does it work if you drag to the top?
[22:58] <DBO> I think I see the problem
[22:58] <DBO> (sam cant do math)
[22:59] <zniavre> it "grids" the window but the colored background is missing
[22:59] <lamalex> heh
[22:59] <lamalex> DBO, what does "pushed off" mean
[22:59] <zniavre> before was "aubergine/violet" it supposed to be orange now
[23:00] <DBO> press your mouse against the left edge while doing DND over the launcher
[23:00] <lamalex> so what does this fix?
[23:00] <lamalex> i mean the code looks fine
[23:01] <lamalex> but i don't know what it's supposed to be doing really
[23:01] <zniavre> DBO same behavior
[23:01] <DBO> zniavre, kay
[23:02] <DBO> lamalex, if you push against the left edge, the launcher should hide
[23:02] <DBO> lamalex, if you hover the BFB, it should show again
[23:02] <lamalex> push a window?
[23:03] <lamalex> oh i see
[23:03]  * DBO sighs
[23:03] <DBO> there we go
[23:04] <lamalex> DBO, tested/working?
[23:04] <zniavre> thank you answering/helping im sorry to gives you works on bug  good night
[23:04] <DBO> lamalex, yes
[23:04] <DBO> zniavre, never apologize for reporting bugs
[23:04] <DBO> we owe you for doing it
[23:04] <DBO> :)
[23:04] <DBO> you're the best
[23:04] <lamalex> ok lemme try real quick
[23:05] <DBO> I shall write a ballad in your honor
[23:05] <lamalex> allow me to fetch my lyre
[23:05] <zniavre> :o)
[23:06] <lamalex> oh wow it's 6
[23:06] <lamalex> time to watch buffy
[23:06] <DBO> the vampire slayer?
[23:06] <lamalex> yeah dog
[23:06] <lamalex> best show
[23:07] <lamalex> if you have netflix i highly recommend it
[23:07] <lamalex> it's probably on abc family still if you have cable
[23:08] <lamalex> DBO, +1 on that merge
[23:08] <lamalex> works great
[23:09] <lamalex> i gave it the old 1, 2 and couldn't fake it out
[23:09] <DBO> gratzi
[23:09] <lamalex> dnd on the trackpad is such a pain in the ass
[23:09] <DBO> mwahahahah
[23:10] <DBO> yes it is
[23:10] <DBO> i was thinking we should have a dnd gesture
[23:10] <DBO> to make that shit easy
[23:10] <DBO> then I was thinking we could have a brain/computer interface
[23:10] <DBO> perhaps using a hand as an intermediary to communicate intent
[23:10] <DBO> we could have it hold a device with a laser on it
[23:11] <DBO> and the laser could track its motion on a 2D plane
[23:11] <DBO> by adding buttons we could further improve the productivity of this device
[23:11] <DBO> I call it "The Rat"
[23:18] <Omega> I reported the bug and he gets the ballad );
[23:18] <lamalex> ha
[23:18] <lamalex> oh dbo you slay me
[23:18] <Omega> Does sam work on the grid plugin?
[23:18] <DBO> yes
[23:19] <DBO> so blame him!
[23:19] <Omega> Hmm, I have quite a few bugs for him :P
[23:19] <DBO> we all do
[23:19] <DBO> we call it "sam bashing"
[23:19] <DBO> keep in mind though
[23:19] <DBO> Sam is 12
[23:19] <DBO> so in many countries its illegal to look at him funny
[23:19] <Omega> Most of my bugs are maths bugs
[23:19] <Omega> that I will look at
[23:20] <Omega> Like the window sizes are calculated wrong
[23:20] <lamalex> DBO, only in western countries
[23:20] <lamalex> i'm pretty sure hungary is no-holds-bars
[23:21] <lamalex> s/bars/barred
[23:22] <lamalex> hm speaking of hungary
[23:22] <lamalex> i wonder how much it costs to get from moscow to budapest
[23:22] <DBO> i dont know... why?
[23:23] <lamalex> i have a friend in moscow i want to see
[23:23] <lamalex> who would probably visit budapest if it wasn't too expensive
[23:25] <DBO> lamalex, I guess you are right
[23:25] <DBO> the white thing is on purpose
[23:25] <DBO> thats RETARDED
[23:25] <lamalex> it's too bright but i like the solid more than the hashed thing from before
[23:25] <lamalex> it's like ... blinding
[23:25] <DBO> yeah
[23:25] <DBO> make me want to slay things
[23:26] <lamalex> maybe it's to keep vampires from using ubuntu
[23:26] <lamalex> looks too much like morning sun
[23:26] <DBO> im really surprised the OMG Ubuntu guys dont have out in here
[23:26] <DBO> "oh look, another potty mouthed unity developer"
[23:26]  * lamalex has a very clean mouth
[23:27] <lamalex> except for like
[23:27] <lamalex> when i lick the toilet
[23:27] <Omega> DBO: I think you're awesome because you have a sense of humor.
[23:27] <lamalex> hahahah http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/banshee-suckth-the-big-one-or-how-to-correctly-file-a-bug-and-stop-worrying/
[23:27] <lamalex> great title
[23:27] <DBO> indeed
[23:27] <DBO> Im sure abock loves that
[23:28] <lamalex> dnielson is a freaking rock star in the banshee world
[23:28] <lamalex> dude triages bugs as didrocks pace
[23:28] <DBO> have you seen how much karma that little french bastard has?
[23:28] <DBO> 71k
[23:28] <DBO> he has 11 times more karma than me
[23:29] <lamalex> have you looked at pitti's karma?
[23:29] <lamalex> they have bots that run on their account and do things
[23:29] <lamalex> like didrock's unity script
[23:29] <lamalex> unify
[23:29] <Daekdroom> I have 78 karma. :D
[23:29] <lamalex> they CHEAT
[23:29] <DBO> O_O
[23:29] <DBO> thats it
[23:29] <DBO> Im writing my cheat bot
[23:29] <DBO> push branch, commit random data, delete branch
[23:29] <DBO> repeate
[23:30] <Omega> DBO: share please
[23:30] <Omega> :D
[23:30] <DBO> i will beat didrocks
[23:30] <Omega> We can become launchpad masters
[23:30] <DBO> I have already been directly threatened by a launchpad admin if I actually do this
[23:30] <DBO> but its too late
[23:30] <Daekdroom> I wonder if there's some rule against that
[23:30] <DBO> Im committed
[23:31] <DBO> its against the terms of service
[23:31] <UndiFineD> Daekdroom, its called bad karma
[23:31] <DBO> its called points
[23:32] <DBO> i love points
[23:32] <UndiFineD> .
[23:32] <lamalex> he does love points
[23:32] <lamalex> he's not lying
[23:32] <lamalex> the things i've seen DBO do for points
[23:32] <lamalex> god i wish i could forget
[23:32] <DBO> I was young and I needed the gold pieces
[23:32] <Omega> This is all they say "We reserve the right to limit the access of individual users who make requests too often; and of applications that cause problems for Launchpad due to bugs, inefficiency, or malicious intent. "
[23:34] <lamalex> hahah didrocks and I are both beating you in unity specific karma
[23:34] <lamalex> suck it
[23:34] <lamalex> and gord
[23:34] <lamalex> and neil
[23:34] <lamalex> you're number 6
[23:35] <lamalex> how's it feel
[23:35] <Omega> DBO: Can I mark all of these are fix released? https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.2
[23:35] <lamalex> no
[23:35] <Omega> Hmm
[23:35] <DBO> no
[23:35] <Omega> So some just didn't make the milestone?
[23:35] <lamalex> they probably need retargeted
[23:35] <DBO> messing with our bugs is a big no-no
[23:35]  * lamalex is the bugmaster
[23:35] <lamalex> although really didrocks is the bug master
[23:35] <Omega> I wasn't messing ):
[23:36] <Omega> I wanted to help
[23:36] <Daekdroom> I'm subscribed to a lot of bugs..
[23:36] <Daekdroom> Most of them do miss the milestone.
[23:36] <Daekdroom> and are retargeted
[23:36] <DBO> Daekdroom, if a bug misses a milestone, it is much more likely to miss the next one
[23:36] <DBO> it has to do with the way we kind of self select the low hanging fruit
[23:36] <lamalex> the criticals and the easy ones
[23:36] <lamalex> the middle ones kind of get passed over
[23:37]  * DBO checks his unread email count
[23:37] <DBO> 59,991
[23:37] <DBO> quick
[23:37] <DBO> someone send me 9 emails
[23:37] <DBO> that I will of course not read
[23:37] <DBO> make that 8
[23:38] <DBO> 7
[23:38] <lamalex> DBO, is this just your inbox?
[23:38] <DBO> yes
[23:38] <DBO> no no
[23:38] <DBO> UNREAD emails
[23:38] <DBO> not just my inbox
[23:38] <lamalex> hahah jesus
[23:38] <DBO> its my backlog
[23:38] <lamalex> i am around 900
[23:38] <Daekdroom> backlog?
[23:38] <lamalex> and i thought i was bad
[23:39] <Daekdroom> I'm never behind my emails.
[23:39] <DBO> Daekdroom, yeah you know, emails I should have read but didn't
[23:39] <Daekdroom> Whenever I happen to be, I mark all as read.
[23:39] <DBO> hahaha
[23:39] <DBO> thats cheating!
[23:39] <Daekdroom> I did that back when most of it was useless.
[23:39] <Daekdroom> Now that I subscribe to bugs and all that, I run gm-notify :3
[23:39] <DBO> I cant possibly keep up
[23:39] <DBO> when I wake up my email client downloads 2000+ emails
[23:40] <DBO> and I go "uhhh... I'll work today..."
[23:40] <Daekdroom> Where do they all come from?
[23:40] <lamalex> Omega, you can retarget to 3.6.6 if you want
[23:40] <DBO> launchpad mostly
[23:40] <lamalex> DBO, that's what filters are for
[23:41] <DBO> lamalex, they get filtered
[23:41] <DBO> I still get important emails
[23:43] <Omega> lamalex: 3._6_.6?
[23:44] <lamalex> um
[23:44] <lamalex> i guess
[23:44] <lamalex> what is _
[23:44] <Omega> 3.6.6 or 3.8.6?
[23:44] <Omega> It was for intonation
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Intonation over internet is like irony
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Never works
[23:45] <lamalex> DBO, 3.6.6 right?
[23:46] <DBO> 3.8.6
[23:46] <Daekdroom> We're in 3.8.4
[23:46] <DBO> target for 3.8.6
[23:46] <lamalex> oh right i forgot i went back in time
[23:46] <DBO> 3.8.4 just went out the door
[23:47] <Omega> Seems like I can't change milestone
[23:48] <DBO> not surprised
[23:49] <lamalex> yeah i or didrocks or someone in unity bugs probably has to
[23:49]  * lamalex will do it tomorrow
[23:49] <lamalex> im done with bug management for the day
[23:49] <lamalex> DBO, ok so continue here
[23:49] <DBO> continuing here
[23:49] <lamalex> i want to get that bug fixed so i can watch buffy
[23:49] <DBO> okay so here is basically how it works
[23:49] <DBO> there are two parts to bamf, libbamf and bamfdaemon
[23:50] <DBO> when an application opens a window, bamfdaemon sees the window, tries to match it, and then exports an object on the bus for the window
[23:50] <DBO> if the window is a new application, it also exports an application object
[23:50] <DBO> libbamf then sees these new things, and signals out that new objects are available
[23:50] <DBO> (clever I know)
[23:50] <DBO> LauncherController then sees the signals coming from bamf
[23:50] <lamalex> ok so libbamf is a dbus wrapper lib?
[23:51] <DBO> indeed!
[23:51] <DBO> it also allows you to create "favorites" wrappers
[23:51] <DBO> or wrappers for objects not currently running
[23:51] <DBO> it will match to those as well when tehy start up
[23:51] <DBO> LauncherController sees the signals, and wraps the BamfApplications into a BamfLauncherIcon
[23:51] <DBO> then passes the BamfLauncherIcon to the LauncherModel
[23:52] <DBO> the LauncherModel then signals to the Launcher than there is a new icon in the list
[23:52] <DBO> and Launcher renders that bithc
[23:52] <lamalex> then there's a dance number and it ends with a kiss
[23:53] <lamalex> nice
[23:53] <lamalex> ok
[23:53] <lamalex> so i can write a little libbamf consuming client app + gdbus to figure out if bamf is the problem
[23:54] <lamalex> and if not then it's your stupid launcher
[23:54] <lamalex> are there libbamf api docs anywhere?
[23:54] <DBO> what problem?
[23:54] <lamalex> libbamf-doc yay
[23:54] <lamalex> DBO, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/688777
[23:55] <lamalex> im pretty sure it's a launcher issue
[23:55] <lamalex> but i could imagine some caching issue in bamf or something
[23:55] <lamalex> and ruling that out off the bat will save me time
[23:55] <lamalex> or find the issue
[23:55] <lamalex> .. either one
[23:55] <DBO> lamalex, I just fixed that
[23:55] <DBO> check out bamf trunk
[23:55] <lamalex> son of a bitch
[23:56]  * DBO goes to claim his prize
[23:56] <lamalex> so it was in bamf?
[23:56] <lamalex> IT WAS ASSIGNED to ME
[23:56] <lamalex> TO MEEE
[23:56] <DBO> there was a dupe
[23:56] <DBO> assigned to me
[23:56] <lamalex> :'( i'm telling neil
[23:56] <lamalex> he's gonna be mad at u
[23:56] <DBO> also it was a ref counting error
[23:56] <lamalex> yah that makes sense
[23:56] <DBO> callign g_object_ref instead of g_object_ref_sink
[23:57] <lamalex> see i probably could have learned a lot
[23:57] <lamalex> and you took that away from me
[23:57] <lamalex> anywya
[23:57] <DBO> go watch buffy
[23:57] <lamalex> can you mark this dupe?
[23:57] <DBO> i marked it fixed
[23:57] <DBO> want my karma
[23:57] <lamalex> you get the same for marking it a dupe
[23:57] <DBO> also a little bit of shameless stat padding never hurt
[23:57] <lamalex> it just pads our bug stats
[23:57] <lamalex> haha
[23:57] <DBO> yeah
[23:57] <DBO> I know
[23:58] <DBO> I like padding stats
[23:58] <DBO> do you really think we fixed 80 bugs last week?
[23:58] <DBO> closer to 60
[23:58] <DBO> and 20 dupes
[23:59] <lamalex> disgusting
[23:59] <lamalex> i'm ashamed
[23:59] <lamalex> oh thanks for taking me off of that bug
[23:59] <DBO> :P
[23:59] <lamalex> jerk
[23:59] <DBO> no problem!
[23:59] <DBO> I fixed it
[23:59] <DBO> I get the stat pad
[23:59] <lamalex> now dbarth is going to KNOW that im worthless
[23:59] <lamalex> and im going to get fired
[23:59] <lamalex> great


[00:23] <belkinsa> Hey there BlinkinCat.
[00:23] <slickymaster> hi belkinsa
[00:24] <slickymaster> I think is off
[00:24] <belkinsa> Who is off?
[00:24] <belkinsa> BlinkinCat?
[00:24] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat
[00:24] <belkinsa> Okay.
[00:24] <slickymaster> :)
[00:28] <BlinkinCat> Hi belkinsa  I was somehere else :) How are you?
[00:29] <slickymaster> hey, you're still around after all
[00:29] <BlinkinCat> Yep
[00:29] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat, if you want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox
[00:29] <jenni> [ slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1bJ0CAx
[00:32] <BlinkinCat> slickymaster: you did all that?
[00:33] <slickymaster> just finishing it
[00:34] <BlinkinCat> Will you be putting it into NewDocs?
[00:35] <slickymaster> No, the idea now is to get this list thoroughly analyzed to make a complete clean of the community help wiki to get ride of outdated contents, duplicated content pages and pages not found
[00:36] <slickymaster> one of the pages that served as a source to this listing is right from NewDocs, the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Links page
[00:36] <jenni> [ Links - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1bJ1yVy
[00:36] <BlinkinCat> It's about time I guess - This was needed to be done!
[00:37] <slickymaster> it's a work in progress that me and knome are undertaking
[00:37] <BlinkinCat> You'll be going crosseyed :)
[00:38] <slickymaster> tell me about it
[00:38] <slickymaster> I've been doing since last monday and sometimes I feel like my eyes are going ballistic
[00:39] <BlinkinCat> I bet :::)
[00:40] <slickymaster> it's just another side-project ;)
[00:40] <BlinkinCat> JUST anothe :)
[00:41] <slickymaster> I like to help and this the way I found to give a little back to the awesome *buntu and linux community
[00:42] <BlinkinCat> While you are busy there, Buntu Bunny and myself are seen more in NewDocs!
[00:43] <slickymaster> well, I believe that out of this work, there will be a huge repercussion in NewDocs quality
[00:44] <slickymaster> in a sense I'm also working on NewDocs
[00:44] <slickymaster> indirectly
[00:44] <BlinkinCat> But not seen as much - behind the scenes
[00:44] <slickymaster> I don't mind
[00:45] <BlinkinCat> That't good
[00:46] <BlinkinCat> Are you stll here belkinsa ?
[00:48] <BlinkinCat> belkinsa: is seen a lot more on the wiki thread too
[00:49] <BlinkinCat> I think the face-page on NewDocs is about as far as it can go without being cluttered
[00:50] <knome> i think it still needs some cleanup ;)
[00:50] <knome> but that's a start.
[00:50] <BlinkinCat> You have sure been a huge help knome :)
[00:51] <knome> heh, again, no problem
[00:51] <knome> but i'm off to bed
[00:51] <knome> good night
[00:52] <BlinkinCat> good night knome
[00:53] <BlinkinCat> I thought our time differance was 11 hours slickymaster - what time is it there?
[00:53] <slickymaster> I think that the time difference is 12 hours
[00:54] <slickymaster> over here is 00:54 of december, 13th
[00:54] <BlinkinCat> It's just on midday here
[00:54] <belkinsa> 7:55 PM here.
[00:54] <BlinkinCat> It is 12 the lol
[00:55] <belkinsa> And yeah, I need to start helping you guys.
[00:55] <BlinkinCat> so 4 there - must remember that
[00:55] <BlinkinCat> Plenty of time belkinsa
[00:56] <belkinsa> I know.
[00:56] <belkinsa> At least, it's winter break for me but I still am working part time.
[00:56] <slickymaster> we have to find a way to convince Bashing-om, tgalati4 and some others of the regulars on the wiki thread to join the LP team
[00:56] <belkinsa> Agreed.
[00:56] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat, belkinsa ^^
[00:57] <BlinkinCat> Agreed for me too
[00:57] <BlinkinCat> Bashing-om for one keeps very busy on the forum
[00:57] <belkinsa> Oh, BlinkinCat, thank you for your welcome PM/
[00:58] <slickymaster> now that I'm not so assiduous on the forum maybe one of you could approach them via PM poping the question
[00:58] <BlinkinCat> It was my confession lol
[00:59] <slickymaster> they both have a tremendous amount of knowledge and would turn out to be also a good PR move
[01:00] <belkinsa> belkinsa = Mechafish on UF.  Mechafish is my old UF account that is now tied with belkinsa.
[01:00] <belkinsa> But you knew that, BlinkinCat.
[01:00] <BlinkinCat> The PR move would be right
[01:00] <BlinkinCat> Yes belkinsa
[01:00] <belkinsa> PR?
[01:01] <slickymaster> public relations
[01:01] <belkinsa> Ah.
[01:01] <BlinkinCat> Public Relations
[01:02] <belkinsa> https://twitter.com/AmazingColleges/status/411261860844154880/photo/1 :D
[01:02] <jenni> [ Twitter / AmazingColleges: University of Cincinnati ... ] - https://j.mp/1bJ53LO
[01:03] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat, maybe you and Buntu Bunny can came up with some sort of a post in the thread
[01:03] <slickymaster> you could discuss it with her
[01:03] <slickymaster> or you belkinsa
[01:03] <belkinsa> Or all of us.
[01:03] <BlinkinCat> As I said in my PM to you belkinsa I think it is great that 50% of the present team are women
[01:04] <belkinsa> Yeah, we are quite underrated...but to me, gender doesn't matter online.
[01:04] <belkinsa> I'm also a part of Ubuntu-Women.
[01:04] <slickymaster> of course, i mentioned you guys because lately I haven't been around the forum so much
[01:05] <belkinsa> Okay.
[01:05] <BlinkinCat> I personally think that BB would have more of an influence than me
[01:06] <slickymaster> I'll write something tomorrow in the mailing list
[01:06] <slickymaster> but I really must sleep now, I'l be up again in about 5 hours
[01:06] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow guys
[01:06] <belkinsa> Night.
[01:06] <BlinkinCat> Good night slickymaster  sleep well :)
[01:06] <slickymaster> :=
[01:07] <slickymaster> :)
[01:11] <BlinkinCat> What does your work consist of belkinsa ?
[01:12] <belkinsa> I push carts at a store, but I'm working on getting something better at the same store.  Maybe work in the Photo department.
[01:13] <BlinkinCat> That sounds interesting
[01:13] <belkinsa> Heh, I'm too old for that job though....it's a high schooler job and a male job.
[01:14] <BlinkinCat> give it a go just the same
[01:16] <BlinkinCat> What is the employment situation generally in your area belkinsa ?
[01:16] <belkinsa> Hard to say.
[01:17] <belkinsa> But I know that my major will allow me get a job after school since my major deals with  a clinical year.
[01:17] <belkinsa> And that link that I posted is the school that I go too.
[01:17] <belkinsa> s/too/to
[01:17] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: And that link that I posted is the school that I go to.
[01:19] <BlinkinCat> It sure looks amazing :)
[01:20] <belkinsa> Thanks, but our main campus is in the inner city of Cincinasty...not fun.
[01:20] <belkinsa> s/Cincinasty/Cincinnati
[01:20] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Thanks, but our main campus is in the inner city of Cincinnati...not fun.
[01:20] <BlinkinCat> nasty eh ?
[01:21] <belkinsa> Yup.
[01:24] <BlinkinCat> How are you enjoying NewDocs sofar belkinsa ?
[01:24] <belkinsa> I'm enjoying them.  It's a better system than just having a mess to look for what you need.
[01:25] <BlinkinCat> Hopefully it will progress a lot further yet
[01:26]  * belkinsa nods
[01:28] <BlinkinCat> I've been trying to think up those pages that can be crossrefenced
[01:28] <BlinkinCat> cross refrenced *
[01:29] <BlinkinCat> still got it wrong lol
[01:29] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[01:29] <belkinsa>  Knew what you meany
[01:29] <belkinsa> s/meany/meant
[01:29] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say:  Knew what you meant
[01:30] <BlinkinCat> I guessed that one OK :)
[01:35] <BlinkinCat> Do you keep your eye on the forum belkinsa ?
[01:37] <BlinkinCat> Some of the guys there  deserve a medal - chilli555, oldfred and Bashing-om for example
[01:38] <BlinkinCat> Must be off too
[11:08] <slickymaster> morning all
[18:14] <slickymaster> !pt
[18:14] <slickymaster> !pt | slickymaster


[00:14] <mparillo> Maybe I am missing something, but it looks as if https://code.launchpad.net/linux-libre was last updated in 2013.
[06:35] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:20] <user|71638> Hola algún mexicano ?
[07:20] <hateball> !mx | user|71638
[07:20] <hateball> hmmm
[07:21] <user|71638> Hablan español ?
[07:21] <hateball> !es
[07:22] <user|71638> Gracias bendiciones ...
[07:22] <hateball> I don't know what that means, but I hope you find the help you need :)
[10:31] <herberto> hey, my webcam displays a black screen when I try to use it. Dell inspitoin 7559 with Kubuntu 17.10
[10:32] <herberto> Cheese and guvcview show a blackscreen but the webcam light glows when I launch a webcam software
[10:33] <herberto> I had managed to get it to work a few weeks ago but now it doesnt work
[10:34] <vespertatia> Since two different webcam applications show the same result, then it might have something to do with your webcam driver.
[10:34] <vespertatia> Have you checked the support page of dell if they have drivers for linux?
[10:34] <herberto> nope. They don't even have a driver page for windows -_-
[10:35] <vespertatia> Amazing support indeed. Press Alt + F2 type in Driver Manager and then press enter
[10:36] <vespertatia> It will collect info about your system, see if there's an option for you to select driver for your webcam.
[10:42] <herberto> there's only options for GPU drivers


[05:01] <smc> does anybody know the proper settings for cinelerra 2.1CV on Juanty
[05:01] <holstein> hey smc
[05:01] <smc> holstein, hello
[05:02] <smc> do you know anything about cenelerra
[05:02] <holstein> nah
[05:02] <holstein> i only do audio :/
[05:02] <smc> nobody else does much ether
[05:02] <holstein> have you tried the mailing list?
[05:02] <smc> My problem is audio
[05:02] <holstein> OH
[05:02] <holstein> hmm
[05:03] <smc> It only has alsa settings and juanty uses pluse
[05:03] <holstein> maybe you need jack
[05:03] <holstein> you got a minute?
[05:03] <smc> yae
[05:03]  * holstein looks
[05:04] <holstein> well
[05:04] <holstein> have you used jack smc ?
[05:04] <smc> no what's jack
[05:05] <holstein> http://jackaudio.org/
[05:05] <holstein> its what i use
[05:05] <holstein> pulse suspends
[05:06] <holstein> and jack routes audio in or out of software and hardware
[05:06] <holstein> very cool
[05:06] <holstein> a little overkill for what you need
[05:06] <holstein> BUT im wondering if it wont do what you want
[05:06] <smc> Yea Every thing is working so far except the sound in cinelerra
[05:07] <holstein> you could try it
[05:07] <smc> I don't want to brake it everything else, will jack make me rework everything
[05:07] <holstein> nah
[05:07] <holstein> you can just try it
[05:07] <holstein> no issues
[05:08] <holstein> do you have an ubuntu studio install?
[05:08] <smc> Skype has a little trouble some times
[05:08] <holstein> or did you get packages on a vanilla?
[05:08] <smc> no I'm running crunchbang which is juanty right now
[05:08] <holstein> OK
[05:08] <holstein> in that case
[05:08] <holstein> you dont have jack installed
[05:09] <holstein> hmmm
[05:09] <holstein> #! is great by the way :)
[05:09] <smc> with these low end machines if I'm going to do any haevy work like video or audio I need a lite desktop.
[05:12] <smc> I'm be back another day, I'm setting up this box to do some presentations, mixing Photos,music, and short video clips. For memintos of brithdays and baby shows and such., It's a little late see you anther day.
[05:12] <holstein> http://code.goto10.org/projects/puredyne/
[05:12] <holstein> you could try that
[05:12] <smc> ok
[05:12] <holstein> its an ubuntu based live distro
[05:13] <holstein> you wouldnt want to install it
[05:13] <holstein> but, i think setting up jack, and getting it to run
[05:13] <holstein> is a little more fiddly than what i think your looking for
[05:13] <holstein> and your not doing any other audio
[05:13] <holstein> SO you wont really benifit from the work
[05:14] <smc> I fiddle all the time. any ideas a help, and I well check out puredyne, I'm a distro junky.
[05:14] <smc> thanks.
[05:14] <smc> see ya
[05:14] <holstein> later
[21:26] <usuario_> hello i need help connecting multiple computers up to the internet from a router.  any suggestions


[07:14] <foo> Bah, any reason for ubuntu to have a problem with RAID5 with the Perc card on a Dell 2950? Apparently, it has issues with 6 drives, but it works with 5. And now they are trying CentOS... and if it works, they'll probably use that. /me shakes head at ubuntu
[07:16] <ivoks> foo: what kind of an issue?
[07:19] <foo> ivoks: I wish they would have gotten the DRAC card for me so I could do this, bah. http://x01.ath.cx/temp/IMG_1306.JPG - this was an error he got... but, I'm really wanting to say it's a PEBKAC issue.
[07:19] <ivoks> foo: this is PEBKAC
[07:19] <ivoks> mouting proc on /root/proc
[07:19] <ivoks> what else can i say? :)
[07:19] <foo> heh
[07:19] <foo> http://x01.ath.cx/temp/S1030024.JPG
[07:20] <foo> And when he was installing centos, it said that
[07:20] <foo> Again, I'm going to blame PEBKAC
[07:20] <ivoks> why GPT? is it over 2TB?
[07:21] <foo> Yes, 2.5. Not too sure about GPT (gparted). 6 500GB SATA drives on RAID5
[07:21] <ivoks> good luck with creating GPT in centos :)
[07:21] <ivoks> ubuntu supports it
[07:22] <ivoks> anyway... you have to create gpt on it
[07:22] <ivoks> this can't be done with fdisk
[07:22] <ivoks> only with parted
[07:22] <foo> CentOS just barfed, apparently
[07:22] <foo> I see
[07:22] <ivoks> but be careful
[07:23] <ivoks> it's impossible to boot from disk with GPT partition table
[07:23] <ivoks> if you have 386/amd64 architecture
[07:23] <foo> Hm, grub should be on the MBR or the first drive?
[07:23] <foo> I'd assume MBR
[07:23] <foo> Right?
[07:24] <ivoks> there is no MBR on GPT partition tables
[07:24] <foo> So, you're saying because we have more than 2TB, we need to use gparted to make the partition
[07:24] <ivoks> yes (ubuntu installer does that)
[07:24] <ivoks> and you will need another disk for /boot, to be able to use grub
[07:25] <foo> ok, and which ones don't? fedora, centos, debian
[07:25] <ivoks> or you will boot from CD
[07:25] <ivoks> don't know
[07:25] <foo> ok
[07:25] <ivoks> ubuntu will work
[07:25] <foo> But you know centos doesn't support it, right?
[07:25] <ivoks> not sure
[07:25] <foo> alrighty
[07:25] <ivoks> its been long time since i worked with redhats
[07:26] <foo> That's good :)
[07:26] <foo> ok, so, you're saying that I'll need a disk outside of the RAID5 for /boot to use grub?
[07:27] <foo> for grub to use /boot, I think I meant
[07:28] <ivoks> GPT is EFI's partition table
[07:28] <ivoks> and EFI platform has special boot process
[07:28] <ivoks> let's say 'BIOS has boot loader'
[07:29] <ivoks> so, there is no MBR on GPT partition tables and BIOS from 386 arch will not know where to read from
[07:29] <foo> What's EFI?
[07:29] <ivoks> itanium
[07:29] <ivoks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[07:29] <foo> The drive with /boot probably needs to be out of the RAID5 array, eh?
[07:30] <ivoks> right
[07:35] <foo> ok, so, since it's the 2950.. it supports 6 drives, we're going to need to do raid5 with 5 drives, 6th drive would be a 500GB drive with /boot.. and, I guess we could throw the OS on there too - no?
[07:36] <ivoks> if i was you, i would add all disks in raid5 and additional small disk for system
[07:36] <ivoks> i have couple of installations like that
[07:36] <foo> Yeah, I thought about that, but (as they've told me, I don't have physical access) it can only support 6 drives
[07:36] <ivoks> all of them have additional disk, but one is booting from CD
[07:36] <foo> I see
[07:37] <ivoks> booting from CD is not a good solution
[07:37] <foo> Should they be able to stick another drive in there?
[07:38] <ivoks> hehe i don't know; i don't have that computer :)
[07:38] <foo> hehe, ok
[07:38] <maswan> I'd put 4 in a raid5 or raid10 for data and 2 small ones in a raid1 for OS
[07:38] <foo> hm, I see
[07:39] <ivoks> there is one more solution
[07:39] <ivoks> two raid fileds
[07:39] <ivoks> and then connect them in LVM
[07:40] <ivoks> so... raid5 out of 4 disks + mirror out of 2 disks
[07:40] <ivoks> and then connect them with lvm
[07:41] <ivoks> do *not* crate one single disk + raid field and connect them with LVM
[07:41] <foo> ok
[07:41] <ivoks> if you loose that single disk, you loose all your data
[07:41] <foo> yup, single point of failure
[10:14] <jbsn> the quality and speed of the installation process in 7.04 seems to have degraded since 6.10
[10:15] <jbsn> the auto-detection of hardware in 7.04 seems to take forever, while in 6.10, it was very quick, detecting the same hardware
[10:15] <jbsn> 7.04 seems to be taking forever to calculate the lvm / partitions on a 250GB drive (its pretty bad, going on 5 minutes, compared to less than a minute in 6.10)
[10:16] <jbsn> there any known problems with the installation / kernel in 7.04 on amd64 for ubuntu server? couldn't find anything specific on the site, wondered if anyone here had similar problems
[10:16] <jbsn> its not the hardware, went back and reinstalled 6.10 after 7.04 on the same hardware and it was nice and quick..
[10:17] <jbsn> 7.04 seems to be looking for hda, even when there is no hda (eg. just using sata, so its sda), but the installer doesn't seem to realize that.. keeps probing for hda..


[03:45] <plars> popey: if you can get to fastboot, you ought to be able to just use phablet-flash, making sure to specify -d {mako, maguro, etc}
[05:14] <Mirv> cihelp any ETA on magners getting back?
[05:24] <Mirv> I understand if you're sleeping though after the long weekened days of moving stuff :)
[07:32] <ev> Mirv: no update just yet. I'll let you know when Larry and Rick check in. They've been working nonstop all weekend.
[07:47] <Mirv> thanks
[08:29] <ogra_> popey, boot to recovery and use -d mako
[08:36] <popey> ogra_: doesn't work ☹
[08:36] <popey> it downloads then barfs at the end...
[08:37] <popey> error: device not found
[09:09] <ogra_> hmpf
[09:37] <Mirv> so, I was just thinking aloud that bug #1249386 didn't make it into archives before LP went down, but it's available in daily-build PPA.
[09:37] <Mirv> however, since we can't validate an image build anyhow without the CI move being complete enough, I guess it may not make much sense to manually upload the uitk update either unless it turns out cu2d will stay down longer than other services.
[09:39] <ogra_> Mirv, we cant validate any image until we have udev fixed
[09:40] <Mirv> ogra_: aha, ok
[09:43] <ogra_> [09:47] <popey> ogra_: any other suggestions for un-buggering my phone?
[09:52] <ogra_> try flastboot flashing the recovery from 15
[09:52] <ogra_> and then try again
[09:52] <ogra_> or ... well, if you fastboot flasdh anyway, just flash the boot img from 15
[09:53] <ogra_> the rootfs should be ok once the devices have been created by the initrd udev
[09:55] <ogra_> hmm, the prob with 19 will be that we need to wait for stgraber ... he blocked system-image imports until we know it is sorted
[10:00] <popey> ok
[10:22] <popey> ogra_: how do I actually _get_ the boot img from 15? if I specify --revision 15 I get a couple of tiny files for version-15.tar.xz in my mako folder..
[10:24] <popey> aha http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:24] <popey> those?
[10:24] <ogra_> not current/
[10:24] <ogra_> one sec
[10:25] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20131107.1/
[10:25] <ogra_> these
[10:26] <popey> of course, thanks. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20131107.1/trusty-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img
[10:26] <popey> that badger?
[10:28] <popey> fastboot flash system trusty-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img
[10:28] <popey> did that then rebooted and it's still booting to busybox
[10:48] <ogra_> popey, boot, not system
[10:48] <ogra_> (sorry, provider disconnect)
[10:51] <popey> oh, doh
[10:58] <popey> yay, all sorted, thanks ogra_
[10:59] <ogra_> awesome !
[11:00] <tsdgeos> do we have an ETA for jenkins coming back?
[11:00] <ogra_> tomorrow ?
[11:00] <ogra_> the mail doesnt give an exact ETA, but the description of the work sounds like it still might take a while
[11:06] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:06] <tsdgeos> not sure i got/read that email, where's it?
[11:12] <ogra_> tsdgeos, on the phone ML
[11:12] <ogra_> from ev
[11:14] <tsdgeos> ah, ok, tx
[15:28] <ogra_> [15:29] <ogra_> (only 6h build time for this one)
[15:29] <ogra_> :)
[16:20] <t1mp> ogra_: so if I phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel trusty-proposed right now, I get #19?
[16:21] <ogra_> t1mp, don'T ! ... 19 is broken
[16:21] <t1mp> ok
[16:21] <t1mp> I just flashed 18. Is that one ok?
[16:22] <ogra_> yep
[16:22] <ogra_> i'll builkd 20 versy soon, then all should be ok again
[16:23] <t1mp> apps don't get my touch events in 18
[16:23] <t1mp> on maguro
[16:25] <t1mp> after restarting the device, the apps work
[17:06] <ogra_> [17:08] <plars> no landing meeting today? or was it just really fast?
[17:08] <ogra_> i think we said we'll skip monday
[17:08] <plars> ah, ok
[17:08] <plars> ogra_: what happened on 19?
[17:08] <ogra_> plars, why are you here ... celebrate retired soldiers !
[17:09] <ogra_> plars, the same as with 17 and 18 :)
[17:09] <ogra_> broken udev
[17:09] <plars> ogra_: I appreciate our veterans *every* day, but I'll take it as a swap day another time
[17:09] <plars> besides, my kids are in school today, may as well get something done here :)
[17:09] <ogra_> well, you wont be able to do much
[17:10] <ogra_> infra is still moving around ... people are off
[18:20] <ogra_> [18:23] <popey> ogra_: is this a good one?
[18:25] <ogra_> it is supposed to be good, yeah
[18:26]  * ogra_ does OTA from r14 ... 226M
[18:26] <ogra_> sigh
[18:28] <popey> download failed
[18:28] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-11-11-182807.png
[18:28] <ogra_> hmm, /cache to small ?
[18:29] <ogra_> i dont think we ever had an OTA that big
[18:29] <popey> which partition?
[18:30] <ogra_> should be mounted under /cache
[18:30] <ogra_> or /adnroid/cache ...
[18:30] <popey>  /dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache    552M   10M  542M   2% /android/cache
[18:30] <popey> plenty
[18:30] <ogra_> yeah
[18:30] <ogra_> weird
[18:30]  * ogra_ is still waiting
[18:31] <ogra_> the percentage is jumpy
[18:31] <popey> no, not space
[18:31] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6401140/
[18:31] <popey> from /var/log/system-image/client.log
[18:31] <ogra_> wow
[18:32] <ogra_> thats stgraber/barry land
[18:32] <popey> I'll file a bug so I don't forget


[15:59] <jgrimm> o/
[15:59] <powersj> o/
[15:59] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:59] <cpaelzer> rharper: leading as in plan?
[16:00] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
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[16:00] <rharper> supposedly rbasak was
[16:00] <rharper> and it is so
[16:00] <rharper> o/
[16:00] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:00] <rbasak> o/
[16:00] <rbasak> I see no actions.
[16:00] <rbasak> #info No actions from previous meeting.
[16:00] <rbasak> #topic Development Release
[16:00] <rbasak> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-z-server-core
[16:00] <rbasak> The blueprint is looking pretty good now I think.
[16:01] <jgrimm> indeed
[16:01] <rbasak> Shall we go through the outstanding items?
[16:01] <rbasak> caribou: "Add secureboot support for kdump-tools : INPROGRESS"
[16:01] <rbasak> Is that needed before feature freeze?
[16:02] <rbasak> squid3 merge: INPROGRESS
[16:02] <rbasak> This is done.
[16:02] <rbasak> (and landed)
[16:02] <jgrimm> nice
[16:02] <rbasak> nacc: python-django merge (LP: #1605278): INPROGRESS
[16:02] <rbasak> nacc: also apache2 merge (LP: #1663425): INPROGRESS
[16:03] <jgrimm> i can give status on django
[16:03] <rbasak> jgrimm: iproute2 merge (LP: #1659039): INPROGRESS - this is at MP stage I think? In my backlog to look that up.
[16:03] <rbasak> jgrimm: also nspr merge: INPROGRESS
[16:03] <rbasak> Is that the same?
[16:03] <jgrimm> no
[16:03] <rbasak> I think I also need to look at caribou's nut merge.
[16:04] <jgrimm> wrt django, nacc has PPA and has been in holding pattern for maas to figure test/work with it
[16:04] <nacc> apache2 is uploaded, just stuck in proposed, it's tied to the openldap merge
[16:04] <jgrimm> maas team said they'd look at it tod
[16:04] <jgrimm> today even
[16:05] <jgrimm> i'll let nacc talk, ping me and i'll give my status on the above
[16:05] <smoser> o/
[16:05] <rbasak> nacc: how's the openldap merge going?
[16:07] <nacc> also uploaded, also stucck in proposed
[16:07] <nacc> autopkgtest regressions, not all due to openldap
[16:07] <nacc> z-p is kind of a mess right now
[16:07] <cpaelzer> ack on that
[16:07] <nacc> working with debian maintainers of some pkgs to figure them out
[16:07] <rbasak> OK. For FF we can at least focus on getting stuff into proposed.
[16:07] <nacc> looks like we also have an ada regression in z-p :/
[16:07] <rbasak> What's not in proposed but needs to be?
[16:07] <nacc> rbasak: nothing on my side
[16:08] <nacc> that i know of (other than my curtin changes...)
[16:08] <cpaelzer> how about the discussion on postgres-9.6 that has to go OUT of proposed for this cycle?
[16:08] <rbasak> My Firefox has hung trying to load the excuses page :-/
[16:08]  * rbasak now can't see the agenda.
[16:08] <jgrimm> rbasak, wrt to nspr -> its blocked on the dogtag-pki/tomcat failures like a half a dozen other packages
[16:09] <jgrimm> but its in proposed
[16:09] <nacc> cpaelzer: we can presumably leave it in -proposed, right? it just won't migrate unti 17.04
[16:09] <nacc> s/17.04/17.10/
[16:09] <rbasak> I see we have a ton of MIRs blocked.
[16:09] <jgrimm> python-boto also merged and in proposed, but failing autopkgtests (but those failures have been around before my merge) something to still sort out
[16:09] <cpaelzer> nacc: we can leve it, but there are dependent builds and none of them will migtrate
[16:09] <cpaelzer> nacc: I can't decide if that is ok as well
[16:09] <rbasak> #info Various feature freeze sensitive uploads are stuck in proposed.
[16:10] <cpaelzer> nacc: that is why I assumed it might be required to drop it there
[16:10] <rbasak> #info Various things are blocked on MIRs that are pending review.
[16:10] <rbasak> jgrimm: do you have a list of your assigned items that aren't in proposed yet?
[16:11] <rbasak> jgrimm: I see iproute2, nspr (for which you've answered), openvpn
[16:11] <cpaelzer> I would like to discuss shortly on the MIRs once we are over the "in proposed" topic
[16:11] <jgrimm> iproute is the only one not merged, but there is MR awaiting your review
[16:11] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ack
[16:11] <rbasak> OK
[16:11] <jgrimm> and openvpn which is in nacc's review queue
[16:11] <rbasak> #action rbasak to review jgrimm's iproute2 MR
[16:11] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to review jgrimm's iproute2 MR
[16:11] <rbasak> #action nacc to review jgrimm's openvpn MR
[16:11] <meetingology> ACTION: nacc to review jgrimm's openvpn MR
[16:12] <jgrimm> thank you
[16:12] <nacc> cpaelzer: yeah, we should review what all hits it
[16:12] <nacc> cpaelzer: we'll need an AA to help if so (and to blacklist it for now, iiuc)
[16:12] <rbasak> It looks like memcached is merged?
[16:12] <cpaelzer> nacc: ack
[16:12] <jgrimm> rbasak, i think sitting in excuses tho. :/
[16:13] <rbasak> memcached has made it to the release pocket.
[16:13] <jgrimm> oh yay! that's new to me
[16:14] <rbasak> I'll update the blueprint (later) to note what is in proposed, so we know.
[16:14] <powersj> rbasak: can you add etckeeper to your list of MR to review?
[16:14] <jgrimm> rbasak, i plan to review server packages today for anything new (or missed) that needs handled
[16:14] <rbasak> Great, thanks.
[16:14] <nacc> rbasak: feel free to reassign some of those to me
[16:14] <rbasak> #action rbasak to review caribou's nut merge
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to review caribou's nut merge
[16:15] <rbasak> #action rbasak to review powersj's etckeeper merge
[16:15] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to review powersj's etckeeper merge
[16:15] <powersj> thx
[16:15] <rbasak> #action jgrimm to review server packages for anything new (or missed) that needs merging
[16:15] <meetingology> ACTION: jgrimm to review server packages for anything new (or missed) that needs merging
[16:15] <jgrimm> thanks!
[16:15] <rbasak> jgrimm: also python-boto?
[16:16] <nacc> i'm going to spend some time today trawling -proposed as well, trying to get a story for as mucch that is stuck as possible
[16:16] <rbasak> And nginx.
[16:16] <nacc> teward: --^
[16:16] <rbasak> teward: how's the nginx merge going?
[16:16] <jgrimm> rbasak, in -proposed, autopkgtest failure  <- nacc if interested
[16:16] <rbasak> nacc: thanks
[16:16] <rbasak> OK
[16:16] <nacc> i believe teward was working on it yestreday, but also has other priorities right now (school)
[16:16] <rbasak> That's everything I see on the blueprint that is FF-critical.
[16:16] <nacc> (per ubuntu-server IRC yeserday)
[16:17] <rbasak> OK
[16:17] <cpaelzer> MIRs ?
[16:17] <rbasak> #subtopic Pending MIRs
[16:17] <cpaelzer> I just checked iotop & nicstat is actually DONE
[16:17] <cpaelzer> are
[16:17] <powersj> yeah just need to be added to seed though I believe
[16:17] <cpaelzer> but htop and python-elftools wait on security review.
[16:17] <cpaelzer> For the latter I unblocked DPDK by keeping the delta that drops the dependency to a suggest - Debian was so kind to accept that now
[16:17] <rbasak> Great, thanks!
[16:17] <rbasak> #info iotop and nicstat are done
[16:17] <rbasak> #info htop and python-elftools wait on security review
[16:18] <rbasak> To get sssd merged I dropped the "secrets service" due to a component mismatch, and left a work item there.
[16:18] <jgrimm> rbasak: powersj will need some help with seeding iotop & nicstat
[16:18] <rbasak> That's also blocked on a MIR. I don't know whether to drop that in after FF, or next cycle.
[16:19] <rbasak> It seems relatively safe since it'll be a new feature.
[16:19] <rbasak> #action rbasak to look at seeding iotop & nicstat with powersj
[16:19] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to look at seeding iotop & nicstat with powersj
[16:19] <jgrimm> thanks
[16:19] <rbasak> Anything else on MIRs?
[16:19] <rbasak> #info sssd is missing the "secrets service", a new feature resulting in a component mismatch. This may be able to land in an FFe, or next cycle.
[16:20] <rbasak> #subtopic Active work that may need wider communication
[16:20] <rbasak> Anything to mention? Seems we're all busy with merges.
[16:20] <rbasak> #info None
[16:21] <rbasak> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (caribou)
[16:21] <teward> shoot i'm late
[16:21] <teward> (we'll catch up on nginx at "AOB")
[16:21] <rbasak> teward: sure, thanks.
[16:21] <rbasak> caribou: around?
[16:21] <rbasak> Let's circle back if caribou appears
[16:21] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:21] <rbasak> powersj: o/
[16:21] <powersj> Last week was very productive curtin/cloud-init sprint. Got some new testing going and running for curtin and learned to do merges with jgrimm.
[16:22] <powersj> This week working on ISO testing and getting some zesty tests (raid1, lvm, multi-lvm) going again. Completed some overdue bug triage and will be picking up bugs for the release. Finally, some work on the KVM backend for cloud-init integration testing.
[16:22] <powersj> questions? comments?
[16:22] <rbasak> Thanks! Any questions for powersj?
[16:22] <jgrimm> thanks!
[16:22] <rbasak> I keep doing that!
[16:22] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:23] <Guest15776> Right now, nothing new to report kernel-wise. Side note that the bundle of xen-libvirt-qemu for zesty did finally move out of proposed yesterday. Are there questions?
[16:23] <jgrimm> great!
[16:23] <rbasak> Thanks smb!
[16:23] <rbasak> #info Nothing new to report kernel-wise
[16:23] <rbasak> #info The bundle of xen-libvirt-qemu for zesty did finally move out of proposed yesterday.
[16:24] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:24] <rbasak> Anything worth mentioning?
[16:24] <rbasak> #info None of note.
[16:24] <rbasak> #topic Development Release
[16:24] <rbasak> #subtopic nginx
[16:24] <rbasak> teward: o/
[16:24] <teward> Hello again!
[16:25] <teward> Firstly, nginx 1.10.3 (not a merge) was uploaded a couple days ago
[16:25] <teward> due to some pretty evil/nasty HTTP/2 things that got fixed
[16:25] <teward> (SRUs pending review for Xenial and Yakkety, also)
[16:25] <rbasak> Great. Thanks for that!
[16:25] <teward> as for the merge, I'm working on it, but it's not as easy as a straight merge
[16:25] <teward> basically, rebuilding the delta we added for 14.04 into pure-Debian packages.
[16:25] <rbasak> teward: how do you feel this is going in relation to feature freeze?
[16:26] <teward> rbasak: when's feature freeze again?
[16:26] <nacc> two days away, iirc
[16:26] <rbasak> Thursday.
[16:26] <nacc> (16.2.17)
[16:26] <teward> rbasak: unlikely, at this rate, given the time it took to fix the evils of the fPIE/fPIC thing
[16:26] <rbasak> teward: do you feel an FFe is appropriate? Or should we skip to next cycle?
[16:26] <teward> and that *still* crops up in the updated 3rd-party modules somehow, working on fixing that (I think it's Ubuntu-specific)
[16:27] <teward> rbasak: FFe would probably be appropriate, I'd like to get dynamic module support in
[16:27] <rbasak> #info nginx 1.10.3 (not a merge) was uploaded a couple days ago, due to some pretty evil/nasty HTTP/2 things that got fixed
[16:27] <teward> rbasak: I'll have a build-test of the merge probably by EOD tomorrow (which is 22:00 UTC-5)
[16:28] <rbasak> #info A merge is more involved that usual; we think an FFe may be appropriate to get dynamic module support in
[16:28] <rbasak> #info We hope to have a build-test of the merge probably by EOD tomorrow (22:00 UTC-5)
[16:28] <teward> if that doesn't blow up in my face, it'll get a few reviews by me to compare against existing deltas, and then made available.  Though, the Release team and archive admins will have to move some things to Main
[16:28] <teward> and some to Universe
[16:28] <rbasak> teward: great. Thanks! If we have a candidate ready, I think that'll give the release team more confidence in granting an FFe, so that's very helpful./
[16:28] <teward> (since some dynamic modules are in nginx-core)
[16:29] <rbasak> teward: thank you for the update, and as ever for all your work on this.
[16:29] <teward> rbasak: half the work is done, NGINX PPAs confirm that some of the things work fine, the existing 'merge' delta is introducing something maybe and breaking things, working on that tomorrow (today's a busyiish day)
[16:29] <teward> rbasak: no problem.
[16:29] <teward> OH tidbit for triagers and team members:
[16:29] <rbasak> Anything else on nginx?
[16:29] <teward> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NGINX now exists
[16:29] <teward> details some things about nginx, and special bug triage cases
[16:29] <powersj> ^^ +1
[16:30] <teward> powersj got a note about it directly, then I went ahead and documented special Triage cases for bugs and how to handle those types of bug reports.
[16:30] <jgrimm> teward, very nice!
[16:30] <rbasak> #info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NGINX for packaging details and bug triaging information on the nginx package in Ubuntu
[16:30] <rbasak> I really like that page. We should have one for every package :-)
[16:30] <teward> There's a corresponding link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage to the special-case for the nginx package, so it's general knowledge for bug squad as well.
[16:30] <teward> outside of those special cases, triage as normal.
[16:30] <jgrimm> cpaelzer, something like that would be nice for qemu and include git repo and special handling etc
[16:30] <rbasak> Good job linking the wiki together!
[16:31] <teward> </end, goes to absorb massive quantities of caffeine>
[16:31] <teward> rbasak: thank you!
[16:31] <rbasak> Thanks teward!
[16:31] <cpaelzer> jgrimm: I actually have that on the migration types already, will extend to general handling - good idea
[16:31] <rbasak> caribou: are you in now?
[16:31] <rbasak> I guess not, so...
[16:31] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:31] <rbasak> AOB?
[16:31] <jgrimm> cpaelzer, excellent!
[16:32] <jgrimm> worth mentioning that 16.04.2 is late..targetting this thursday now
[16:32] <rbasak> #info 16.04.2 is late..targetting this thursday now
[16:32] <rbasak> Mentioned! :-)
[16:32] <jgrimm> :)
[16:32] <teward> rbasak: only if we can add things to the lxc tools, I wrote a custom bootstrapper and a "shut off *and* destroy" wrapper script around existing functions.  I got annoyed at `lxc-destroy` not stopping a container, and `lxc-create` being annoying to bootstrap a server in userspace.
[16:32] <teward> s/bootstrap/customize and configure/
[16:33] <rbasak> teward: I don't think there's any plan to change the old lxc command interfaces now.
[16:33] <teward> still in development, but usable :p
[16:33] <teward> indeed.
[16:33] <rbasak> teward: but lxd does that with "lxc delete -f <name>"
[16:33] <teward> rbasak: LXD wouldn't work on my 16.04 system... not sure why.
[16:33] <teward> just saying, still investigating.
[16:33] <teward> now i'm done :)
[16:33] <rbasak> OK
[16:33] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:33] <rbasak> rharper: will you be available to chair next week?
[16:33] <rharper> sure
[16:33] <rbasak> Great. Thanks!
[16:34] <teward> rbasak: I won't be at next meeting unfortunately
[16:34] <teward> travel
[16:34] <cpaelzer> thanks rbasak for leading this so controlled
[16:34] <rbasak> #info The next meeting will be at Tue 21 Feb 16:00:00 UTC 2017. rharper will chair.
[16:34] <teward> feel free to email me for a status update by Friday evening
[16:34] <rbasak> teward: ack.
[16:34] <teward> anyone may do that ^
[16:34] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 16:34:27 2017 UTC.
[16:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-02-14-16.00.moin.txt
[16:34] <teward> so it's on the meeting agenda about nginx by *someone*
[16:34] <jgrimm> teward, thanks
[16:34] <jgrimm> rbasak, thanks for chairing!
[16:34] <rbasak> And...the minutes are at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-02-14-16.00.html
[16:34] <teward> you're most welcome.  sorry i haven't been as active as of late, busy busy BUSY
[16:34] <rbasak> All done :-P
[16:35] <powersj> rbasak: +1 on doing the meeting like this
[16:35] <teward> also agree, +1, this is far nicer
[16:35] <teward> and prevents us having to do transcription heh
[16:35] <rbasak> Thanks.
[16:35] <jgrimm> yes, transcribing is pita
[16:36] <teward> who was going to follow up on Apache HTTP/2, by the way?
[16:36] <teward> just curious
[16:36]  * nacc probably
[16:36] <nacc> in the 17.10 window
[16:36] <rbasak> teward: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_http2.html still says it's experimental upstream.
[16:36] <teward> rbasak: it is.
[16:36] <teward> [2017-02-13 18:07:58] <teward> just checking whether that's still the case or not.
[16:36] <teward> [2017-02-13 18:08:01] <teward> (for Apache)
[16:36] <teward> [2017-02-13 18:14:00] <sarnold> teward: I think we're waiting on apache to declare it's no longer experimental
[16:36] <rbasak> teward: so I'm not sure it's appropriate to do anything further right now.
[16:36] <teward> ^ I was curious so I asked Security about that
[16:36] <teward> rbasak: I only was asking so the whiteboard on the blueprint could be updated accordingly
[16:37] <teward> :)
[16:37] <rbasak> Fair enough.
[16:37] <nacc> teward: ack, i'll update it today
[16:37] <teward> I only care that NGINX has HTTP/2, and that its bugs are steamrolled :)
[16:39] <nacc> :)


[01:51] <Sarvatt> ugh... found out what my problem was compiling xserver. nasty http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536034
[01:52] <Sarvatt> http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/dfcd924e8426179b?fwc=1
[01:52] <Sarvatt> guess ubuntu hasnt picked that up yet
[01:58] <Sarvatt> ahh it is there, no clue why i'm still getting the errors
[09:45] <dfaure> after switching to ati (because fglrx stopped working in jaunty), X starts up but no keyboard and no mouse. Any suggestions?
[09:46] <Ng> is hald running?
[09:47] <dfaure> no indeed. I see. Should reboot out of failsafe mode first.
[09:47] <Ng> (xorg gets its input devices from hal atm)
[09:50] <dfaure> err now every key sends three letters !?
[09:50] <dfaure> I type 'd' and I see "ddd"
[09:51] <dfaure> anyone seen that before?
[09:51] <Ng> do you have any input devices defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? I'm guessing wildly here, I'm just wondering if it's seeing the same event from several different keyboards that are actually the same keyboard defined in several places?
[09:51] <Ng> seems kinda unlikely though
[09:52] <dfaure> indeed commenting out the input devices fixes it. Weird though, there was just one of each, not 3.
[10:22] <dfaure> Ng: thanks for the help. Everything ok now.
[14:26] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ping
[15:22] <tseliot> Sarvatt: never mind
[15:22] <tseliot> ScottK: I have ported my patches for synaptics to Karmic. Have a look at my PPA (and at the bug report)
[15:23] <ScottK> tseliot: OK.  I'm reinstalling for ISO testing right now.  I'll give it a try in a bit.
[15:23] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[19:37] <jbarnes> bryce: so how goes the intel upstreaming?  is it all done?
[19:38] <jbarnes> bug upstreaming that is
[19:39] <bryce> jbarnes, I've got 15 or so left to go.  I sort of got inspired/distracted by a comment you made earlier, and have been working on a tool to do upstreaming for me
[19:41] <jbarnes> nice
[19:41] <bryce> there also seems to be some confusion as to whether I should set priorities on upstream bugs or leave it unset, so I'm waiting for the higher ups to get that sorted
[19:43] <bryce> jbarnes, http://people.canonical.com/~bryce//upstream.svg
[19:46] <jbarnes> that makes it look like only 20% are upstreamed so far?
[19:46] <jbarnes> bryce: I think it's ok to set prio
[19:46] <jbarnes> we may drop it down depending on our release schedule, but imo it's fine to set it as an indicator of its importance to you
[19:46] <jbarnes> the worry on our team was that we're using priorities as our release criteria
[19:46] <jbarnes> p1 bugs are basically release blockers
[19:47] <bryce> right, we got a bit over 20% but it fell lately because I pulled in 2.8.0 and closed out the upstreamed bugs that were fixed
[19:48] <bryce> what that chart doesn't tell is that 180 bugs are incomplete waiting on reporters
[19:48] <jbarnes> ah that's the discrepancy
[19:49] <bryce> yeah there's only 15-20 that I need to do something with.  But they're probably mostly just dupes of known issues
[19:49] <jbarnes> cool
[19:49] <jcristau> in most cases you don't hear back from people after asking for more information or asking to try a newer version, so the bugs sit there for a while.  at least that's my experience in debian.
[19:50] <jcristau> and those are not upstreamable
[19:50] <bryce> many of those incomplete bugs were ones reported with Jaunty's release, which my script asked them to re-test.  Those are all scheduled to expire here this coming week.  So I think we should see a nice jump in the stats within the week
[19:50] <bryce> jcristau, yep exactly
[20:22] <jbarnes> bryce: ok consensus is to mark prio according to what prio it is for ubuntu
[20:22] <jbarnes> like I said, we may bump it down but that can be handled at your regular meetings with yingying if there's disagreement
[20:32] <bryce> okie doke
[22:13] <bryce> I put in an openchrome git update in xorg-edgers if anyone's interested
[22:14] <jcristau> openchrome is in git now?
[22:28] <bryce> s/git/svn/
[22:28] <bryce> jcristau, at least I didn't say bzr snapshot ;-)
[22:31] <jcristau> bryce: heh. you had me hoping they made the switch :)
[23:03] <Sarvatt> got me too, i thought the same thing :D