[01:45] <asmcos> hi
[01:46] <asmcos> ubuntu 10.10 upstart don't need dbus ?
[01:49] <ion> Upstart doesn’t require the daemon, but does require the protocol library.
[01:50] <asmcos> libdbus-1-3?
[01:51] <ion> yes
[01:51] <asmcos> oh
[01:51] <asmcos> my ubuntu 10.10,can boot by init=/bin/bash
[01:51] <asmcos> but upstart can't boot....
[01:53] <asmcos> I use sysrq key to display task, upstart can list mountall,plymouthd
[01:53] <asmcos> showTasks
[01:55] <asmcos> ion, I can config /etc/init  only a task?
[02:03] <ion> Add “--debug >/dev/mountall.log 2>&1” to the end of the “exec mountall…” line in /etc/init/mountall.conf, create /etc/init/sulogin.conf based on the first example in <http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken?highlight=%28%28CategoryDoc%29%29> and reboot. You should have a shell in the virtual terminal 7 in which you should be able to look at /dev/mountall.log. It might have a hint as to why it doesn’t boot.
[02:04] <asmcos> thank you
[02:04] <asmcos> i try....
[02:08] <twb> What's the difference between the "filesystem" and "local-filesystems" events?
[02:08] <twb> Or: where are such events documented?
[02:15] <asmcos> ion,thank you ...
[02:16] <asmcos> ion, root remount rw on *.conf ?
[02:18] <asmcos> ion, which file is  /proc/self/fd/8 ?
[02:18] <twb> It's a file descriptor
[02:19] <asmcos> i know it's a file descriptor
[02:19] <twb> OK, I wasn't sure if you wanted the generic or the specific answer :-)
[02:19] <asmcos> twb,i think it is a specific file.
[02:20] <twb> I think it's something like the fd used for mountall to talk to upstart, or for upstart children to talk to pid 1
[02:20] <twb> If you work it out let me know
[02:21] <asmcos> twb,mountall can remount root?
[02:21] <asmcos> twb, who remount root rw ?
[02:23] <twb> I *think* mountall remounts *everything* it finds in /proc/mounts
[02:24] <asmcos> so We must mount proc first ?
[02:25] <twb> I dunno man
[02:25] <twb> I'm just a poor ignorant sysadmin who wants his deterministic sysvinit back.
[02:25] <asmcos> yes,I find proc have mounted....
[02:26] <twb> Unless your fu is strong, it will be hard for /proc NOT to be mounted
[02:35] <twb> In a pre-stop script, how do I match the PID of the daemon managed by the job?
[02:42] <twb> Actually a better question:
[02:42] <twb> How do I tell upstart to sent INT instead of HUP as the "soft" kill signal?
[02:42] <twb> Er, INT instead of TERM.
[02:59] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/100790/
[02:59] <twb> I'd appreciate a review of these LXC upstart jobs.
[05:05] <asmcos> hi
[05:05] <asmcos> everyone
[07:05] <asmcos> mount-tmp.conf
[07:05] <asmcos> start on mounted ...
[07:06] <asmcos> the mounted is set by mountall.conf "emits mounted" ?
[07:20] <asmcos> exit
[08:54] <asmcos> ion
[08:54] <asmcos> ion, hi
[08:54] <asmcos> ion, I use a sulogin.conf exmaple. it can work.
[08:55] <asmcos> start on startup.
[08:55] <asmcos> I test emits,so I add line "emits logined" in sulogin.conf
[08:55] <asmcos> I write a test.conf :start on logined,
[08:55] <asmcos> test.conf don't work
[08:56] <asmcos> start on starting sulogin , test.conf work.
[08:57] <asmcos> problem at "emits" ??
[09:17] <asmcos> hi Md


[03:28]  * wgrant cries at the state of X docs on help.u.c/community.
[03:28] <wgrant> Some of them reference XF86Config-4, and others reference a proprietary Intel video driver, which I don't think existed...
[03:45] <superm1> psb?
[08:58] <jcristau> wgrant: it did exist, some years ago, afaik
[08:58] <wgrant> jcristau: Oh. Hmmm.
[09:06] <jcristau> might be this: http://www.intel.com/design/intarch/swsup/graphics_drivers.htm
[09:16] <wgrant> bryce: We should probably move wiki.u.c/X/Config to help.u.c/community soon.
[09:17] <wgrant> I'm currently attacking help.u.c/community and removing an enormous amount of old stuff, and it'd be nice to be able to remove pages and redirect to X/Config.
[12:50] <laga> so, hey guys.
[12:50] <laga> i can't use DISPLAY=:0 over a ssh session to start apps on a remote computer. is that intentional?
[12:51] <laga> it worked in 8.04 and i'm not the only one with that problem
[12:57] <wgrant> laga: "can't use" isn't very descriptive.
[12:58] <laga> wgrant: i yelled at a friend of mine for using "doesn't work" just a few minutes ago :)
[12:58] <laga> i can't connect to the X server.
[12:58] <laga> eg ssh <IP_ADDRESS>; DISPLAY=:0 xeyes -> Error: Can't open display: :0
[12:59] <wgrant> There is an xserver on .137?
[12:59] <wgrant> Running as your user?
[12:59] <laga> yes.
[13:00] <laga> this is a mythbuntu box. maybe we're doing something special. i haven't tried on vanilla ubuntu
[13:00] <wgrant> Probably.
[13:00] <wgrant> Because it works fine for me.
[13:01] <laga> interesting. thanks.
[13:02] <laga> X is using evdev by default now, right? said friend of mine had trouble getting her arrow keys to work because gnome settings didn't get updated :(
[13:03] <tjaalton> laga: enable x11-forwarding on both the client and server
[13:04] <laga> tjaalton: forwarding? do i need forwarding if i want to display something on the *remote* display
[13:04] <tjaalton> laga: ah. don't know
[13:04] <wgrant> laga: No, you don't.
[13:04] <laga> i wonder if consolekit is to blame.
[13:05] <wgrant> I've seen a few complaints about cursor keys getting borked, but not enough to suggest that it was broken in an upgrade of the default configuration.
[13:05]  * wgrant celebrates the inclusion of his fix for bug #280148 upstream.
[13:11] <laga> okay.
[13:32] <superm1> laga, i can't think of anything we're explicitly doing unless its a mistake that we keyed something wrong in gdm-cdd.conf
[13:33] <laga> i will investigate tonight
[13:44] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: thanks for the followup on g-s-d
[13:44] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: I have your PPA in my sources.list, so it will be tested as soon as the buildd has dinstall'ed it.
[13:45] <Q-FUNK> ah.  it seems that it's published now
[13:48] <Q-FUNK> reloading.
[13:57] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: it doesn't fix it either.  the problem seems to be that my laptop's touchpad+buttons are not considered as removed/reinsterted upon restoring from sleep/hibernate.  rather, g-s-d would need to know when *it* has been resumed and then rescan all hardware.
[14:17] <ScottK> bryce: Looks like we got an additional hit on Bug 290156, so it's not just the one monitor.


[07:47] <praisethemoon> good morning people
[08:35] <elacheche> Morning folks
[08:47] <praisethemoon> elacheche, good day
[08:47] <praisethemoon> how is it going?
[08:52] <elacheche> Good thank praisethemoon
[10:13] <praisethemoon> elacheche, check my new post :D https://praisethemoon.org/data-data-and-data/
[10:19] <elacheche> Nice :D
[10:29] <praisethemoon> \o/
[10:29] <praisethemoon> thank you for being my only visitor :'(
[10:31] <elacheche> :D
[10:32] <praisethemoon> And a tweet :D
[10:32] <praisethemoon> thank you :')
[10:33] <elacheche> :p
[10:40] <praisethemoon> GUESS WHOS BACK pavlushka
[10:41] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: ubuntulog_ ?
[10:41] <pavlushka> pavlushka: yeah, got it, u-la-la :p
[10:41] <pavlushka> *praisethemoon:
[10:42] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: ^
[10:42] <pavlushka> how is it going praisethemoon ?
[10:42] <praisethemoon> XD
[10:42] <praisethemoon> i'm good my friend, wbu?
[10:42] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: I am good too, thanks :)
[11:00] <elacheche> Hello oussemos
[11:00] <oussemos> Hi elacheche how r u doing?
[11:01] <elacheche> Good oussemos :) u?
[11:01] <elacheche> Welcome to #ubuntu-tn
[11:01] <elacheche> :)
[11:02] <oussemos> Fine!
[11:02] <oussemos> Thanks ;-)
[11:06] <elacheche> Just here to say hi or need help?
[11:06] <elacheche> oussemos == Oussema Cherni ?
[11:07] <oussemos> elacheche: yes that's me
[11:07] <elacheche> Welcome :)
[11:10] <oussemos> Thank u :)
[14:13] <praisethemoon> elacheche, can you help me out?
[14:17] <elacheche> Sure praisethemoon
[14:17] <praisethemoon> err, in Sh how can I can run system command?
[14:17] <praisethemoon> like curl
[14:18] <praisethemoon> :3
[14:18] <elacheche> you just use the cmd name inside your script
[14:19] <praisethemoon> oh, alrighty xD
[14:19] <elacheche> If you can share the code go ahead and I'll debug with you if there is errors
[14:26] <praisethemoon> thank you elacheche, but i'm having some issues
[14:26] <praisethemoon> isn't Cygwin supposed to run shell commands as if they were on linux?
[14:26] <praisethemoon> :S
[14:26] <praisethemoon> I run commands on cygwin and they work perfectly, I put them into .sh file and run it with cygwin and it does not work
[14:27] <elacheche> share the error message
[14:33] <praisethemoon> it complains about clear
[14:33] <praisethemoon> hold on
[14:34] <praisethemoon> https://paste.kde.org/pb8ls0wyf
[14:34] <praisethemoon> that is the code
[14:35] <praisethemoon> error message: https://paste.kde.org/pgw316jhd
[14:35] <praisethemoon> but i think i've found it
[14:35] <praisethemoon> \r is windows line return
[14:35] <praisethemoon> "\n\r"
[14:35] <praisethemoon> Linux uses only "\n"
[14:35] <praisethemoon> so i need to use unix encoding :X
[14:36] <elacheche> praisethemoon: cygwin run bat scripts too?
[14:36] <praisethemoon> elacheche, i tried and it did (in CLI)
[14:37] <elacheche> Ok :) The script seems good.. you didn't share the error
[14:37] <elacheche> :p
[14:46] <praisethemoon> I did :3
[14:46] <praisethemoon> but found the issue; now it complains about .bat
[14:47] <praisethemoon> I don't always bash
[14:47] <praisethemoon> but I do , it complains
[14:47] <praisethemoon> when I do*
[14:51] <praisethemoon> okay
[14:51] <praisethemoon> kill me
[14:51] <praisethemoon> it is called logstash
[14:51] <praisethemoon> I wrote logstaCh
[14:51] <praisethemoon> KILL ME
[14:57] <elacheche> :D
[14:57] <elacheche> I told you to migrate yur desktop to a better OS :p
[15:04] <praisethemoon> :'(
[15:04] <praisethemoon> I cry everytime
[15:06] <elacheche> You can go for & 30min dualboot install before you go home.. That way you can keep your working env.. And configure the new one whenever you have spare time


[00:20] <balsaq> i may have to remove ubuntu and try kubuntu ubuntu cannot dim my display on my laptop they never installed the softwqare to make it work
[00:20] <balsaq> i wonder if kubuntu can do it
[00:20] <balsaq> its eating my battery cuz i cannot dim it
[00:44] <balsaq> is anyone running kubuntu on a laptop?
[01:03] <valorie> balsaq: I am, and dimming works perfectly
[01:04] <valorie> fn key + the built-in bright and dim work just fine
[01:04] <valorie> I did nothing to make that work
[01:26] <kalikatz> same here, hp pavilion g6.  dimming works great  conky reports cpu 45C gpu 45C  idling along
[01:32] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.14.2 on Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) powered by Linux 4.18.0-10-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 2022-2087/3800 MHz, RAM: 31804/32118 MB, Storage: 336/1144 GB, 226 procs, 165.3h up
 @balsaq, There is a function in grub to enable keyboard keys for dimming. That may be an issue. ??
 Sorry - in BIOS!
[01:47] <valorie> ah
[01:47] <valorie> I didn't have to do that
 I lost function one day and Dell support gave me that solution.
[01:49] <jacky> same
[01:49] <jacky> although I haven't had to do that for my current laptop
[04:56] <beltorak> hi all; i'm doing a (mostly) fresh install of kubuntu 18.04 and i'm having trouble manually setting up my partitions with an encrypted root. the installer keeps crashing. has anyone gotten that to work before?
[04:57] <valorie> I always use a partitioning tool to set those up in advance
[04:57] <valorie> otherwise it gets too complicated
[04:58] <beltorak> cool, i usually start with *-server that way, how do you do it with the kubuntu install cd?
[04:58] <valorie> why would root be encrypted? just curious
[04:58] <beltorak> not /root, but the rootfs
[04:58] <jacky> probably under a LVM (logical volume manager); I think Ubuntu's installer has been nudging people to use that
[04:58] <valorie> I use kde partitonmanager
[04:58] <beltorak> hm
[04:59] <valorie> but one can use parted
[04:59] <beltorak> yeah i can create the encrypted partitions, but I don't know how to make the installer recognize that an already encrypted partition should be used as /
[04:59] <valorie> you won't be able to do it from a live session without some fiddling
[04:59] <valorie> ah
[04:59] <valorie> well, that is beyond what I know
[05:00] <beltorak> tell me what you know, i can probably adapt it
[05:00] <jacky> beltorak: you'd have to get into the active desktop and _mount_ that disk
[05:00] <beltorak> does it have to be mounted at a specific location, or with a specific /dev/mapper name?
[05:01] <jacky> like if it's /dev/sda3 [05:01] <jacky> I actually might try this out right now, lol
[05:01] <beltorak> ok, i'll give that a shot
[05:04] <beltorak> ooooh, i got a new dialog; "detected /dev/mapper/<luks-name>" - looks promising
[05:05] <jacky> yup! that should ask for your mount passphrase
[05:05] <jacky> I'm booting up the VM now
[05:05] <beltorak> it didn't ask for the passphrase since i guess this time it detected a filesystem on it - last time i tried this i didn't mkfs it or mount it
[05:07] <beltorak> ok, yeah, because (last time) there wasn't a file system on it (just luksOpen'd), it was trying to get me to create a partition table, this time it let me select to use the existing fs as / (i hope)
[05:08] <beltorak> so i have an already formatted/partitioned one partition as efi, it will automatically detect and use that, right (/boot is unencrypted)
[05:12] <beltorak> well it's actually progressing; that's good; thank you jacky and valorie. one of these days i'll move to lvm
[05:19] <beltorak> well it's finished; moment of truth
[05:43] <beltorak> :( ok it boots, but it doesn't attempt to decrypt /
[05:43] <beltorak> in 14.04 i used to have an /etc/crypttab listing the boot-time partitions to decrypt, but that doesn't exist now. do i need to create that?
[05:44] <beltorak> i tried chroot'ing to the encrypted /, mounting all the partitions where they should be, and running update-initramfs, but that didn't seem to work
[05:46] <beltorak> jacky: what did your expirement with the vm discover?
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:31] <beltorak> jacky: ok, creating the /etc/crypttab and running update-initrd worked; now i have the fun of reinstating my normal user
[06:36] <beltorak> is creating "plasma widgets" any easier or more well documented than it was for 14.04? I have shell script kdialog thing i want to turn into a systray thing, prefereably without having to delve into c++ or qt designer...
[06:47] <jacky> agh, they're gone
[06:47] <jacky> but it did work for me when re-trying with a VM
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:10] <Alexfrench> hello
 that ppa doesn't support 18.10
[16:15] <jubo2> Hiya. What do people use as a mail client. I've been trying to use Kmail, but it just does not work very well. When adding new accounts they never show up in the left-hand side box so they are unaccessable, even as I see that they are being checked for mail. Also its got lots of other bugs. Thanks in advance
 @jubo2, i'm currently using kmail, you can try thunderbird or geary
[16:53] <jubo2> ok avizini. I need to give one or both a try, cause Kmail just ain't working for me on Kubuntu 18.04.1
[16:56] <Alexfrench> i have thunderbird too and it works
[16:59] <BluesKaj> kmail isn't worth the trouble IMO
[21:45] <ubUXUbu> hello kunutites
[21:45] <ubUXUbu> kubuntites
[23:37] <kalikatz> trying to send email with KMail. I attach a .txt file and all is ok, I attach a .7z file and get "Failed to transport message. Server error".  Am i overlooking something too simple?
[23:37] <kalikatz> @gmail
[23:43] <kalikatz> ok, i just tried same email to myself using google's web app and i get this "message.7z (1K) Blocked for security reasons!"  sad :(


[00:26] <nosrednaekim> is the kross scripting stuff for 4.0.3 packaged and in the repositories?
[00:27] <nosrednaekim> specifically, the python plasma bindings
[00:31] <Riddell> we have libkrosspython0
[00:31] <Riddell> from kdebindings-kde4
[00:32] <nosrednaekim> awesome... thanks.
[00:46] <ScottK> nixternal: You find out if your upload worked our not yet.
[00:49] <Riddell> kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-kde4 in hardy-backports unapproved queue
[00:50] <ScottK> Cool.
[00:50] <ScottK> I guess MOTU's can upload backports now.
[00:50] <Riddell> well i think the policy is still that they shouldn't without checking with someone first
[00:50] <Riddell> and they can only upload universe packages
[00:51] <ScottK> Any backport still needs an ack from ubuntu-backporters.
[00:51] <Riddell> right
[00:51] <ScottK> So I think that would be the checking part.
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> I don't think libkrosspython0 has the plasma bindings..
[02:35] <Riddell> quite possibly they didn't exist in 4.0 branch
[02:36]  * Riddell snoozes
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> hum, ok
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ok, I guess I'll have to go compile trunk :)
[04:29] <nixternal> ouch
[04:30] <nixternal> have up to kdebase-runtime completed, installed, and uploaded (uploading kdebase-runtime now)
[04:30] <nixternal> I am hoping that after installing kdebase-workspace, my lappy will be a bit more usable..right now I have a badly broken kde4
[04:42] <genii> There a 4.1 alpha1 available?
[04:42] <nixternal> nope
[04:42] <nixternal> 4.1 alpha1 is very very broken due to plasma
[04:42] <genii> Ah, OK
[04:42] <nixternal> it is constantly crashing on me
[05:55] <nixternal> 4.0.4 isn't much different from 4.0.3 that I can see
[05:55]  * nixternal gets back to building
[05:56] <Jucato> hi nixternal! :)
[05:56] <Jucato> Kubuntu (or generally Ubuntu) failed me/us last night :)
[05:57] <nixternal> howdy Jucato!
[05:57] <nixternal> what happened?
[05:57] <Jucato> imagine an Ubuntu release party where only Windows and Fedora could get connected to the Internet :)
[05:57] <dthacker> :(
[05:58] <Jucato> yeah. :(
[05:58] <Jucato> but it was funny though
[05:58] <nixternal> well, I experienced similar, but Okular saved me
[05:58] <nixternal> Fedora and windows worked great with the projector, but Kubuntu didn't
[05:59] <nixternal> luckily Okular centers itself and works perfectly with the projector
[05:59] <nixternal> so nothing was cut off
[05:59] <Jucato> :D
[05:59] <nixternal> I have never had an issue connecting to the internet though
[05:59] <Jucato> we were all laughing out load in the coffee shop... I was shouting "Linux sucks!", but then one guy tried Fedora KDE and he got connected, so I changed to "Kubuntu sucks!", then the other guys who had Ubuntu couldn't connect either... :)
[05:59] <nixternal> it has always worked
[05:59] <nixternal> *buntu sucks! :p
[06:00] <Jucato> yeah hahah :)
[06:00] <Jucato> it was a funny release party :)
[06:00] <Jucato> we had no pressed cd's (they haven't arrived yet), had no beer, almost had no internet connection, and weren't using Ubuntu to connect :)
[06:01] <nixternal> oh wow, compositing seems whicked fast with 4.0.4 using Intel
[06:01] <nixternal> it is instant!
[06:01] <nixternal> and it looks secksi
[06:01] <Jucato> yeah
[06:01] <nixternal> and I think we should consider using the Sculpture theme for KDE 4 cuz it is even hotter!
[06:01] <Jucato> my laptop's Intel IGP beats my desktop's nvidia AGP :)
[06:02]  * Jucato hasn't scene sculpture
[06:02] <nixternal> functionality wise, 4.0.3 == 4.0.4 from what i can see
[06:02]  * Jucato lost track of 4.0...
[06:03] <nixternal> I had to wipe ~/.kde4 though cuz something booged up
[06:04] <nixternal> probably just needed to wipe ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*
[06:04] <Jucato> kquitapp plasma && rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* && plasma
[06:04] <Jucato> :D
[06:08] <nixternal> now it is time to build all of the modules, which luckily stdin already did, just need to test them and upload
[06:08] <nixternal> plasma panel is still goofy in 4.0.4 with the size issue
[06:09] <nixternal> if you use tiny, the bottom of the plasma panel will show up at the top of your screen
[06:27]  * Jucato goes to bed.. tired .. :/
[06:27] <Jucato> good luck nixternal :P
[06:27] <nixternal> g'nite
[06:41] <nixternal> stdin: you rock! you are a life saver, but I am going to quit uploading after kdeartwork for the night and will pick it back up and finish the entire kde 4.0.4 backport for hardy tomorrow/today
[06:49] <Hobbsee> oh goody.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> don't insert crack.
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Or insert in teh crack
[06:51] <nixternal> ooh
[07:23] <robotgeek> nixternal: hopefully in summer, i can start coding some on kde4
[07:29] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[07:30] <Hobbsee> heya!
[07:30] <DaSkreech> does anyone know if KIOSK is getting KDE4 love?
[07:41] <DaSkreech> how are you Hobbsee ?
[07:41] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: sad @ LP
[07:41] <Hobbsee> [16:40] <Hobbsee> the launchpad gods do not smile on me :([16:41] <Hobbsee> 2 hours since the upload, and still no build records
[07:41] <Hobbsee> [16:41] * Hobbsee tries sacrificing a pony
[07:42] <DaSkreech> OMG Poniez?
[07:48] <DaSkreech> What about the goldenHorse?
[07:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[07:49] <Hobbsee> might have to try that
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Or the stick :)
[07:49] <DaSkreech> sacrifice that
[07:49] <Hobbsee> no wya.
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Way!
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Now I'm going to be labeled an infidel :(
[07:50] <DaSkreech> ok I need sleep
[07:50] <DaSkreech> I thought that said ubuttu
[07:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:52] <DaSkreech> supyboy need a remind plugin
[07:53] <DaSkreech> I should start writing one
[07:55]  * DaSkreech sits next to Hobbsee
[07:55] <DaSkreech> So what have you been up to
[07:55] <DaSkreech> how did that assignment go?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> work, uni, assignments, etc.
[07:55]  * Hobbsee has done part of t
[08:00] <DaSkreech> How's Gnome?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> fine
[08:01] <Hobbsee> seems to work
[08:02] <nixternal> Hobbsee: have you checked out Tasque yet that I packaged for Gnome?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nope
[08:03] <nixternal> it is groovy
[08:03] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/~tasque-packagers
[08:03] <nixternal> I am using it now on my Debian box
[08:09]  * nixternal beds
[08:09] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Night
[08:10] <DaSkreech> I'll follow behind
[08:30] <Serega> morning
[08:30]  * Serega yaws
[08:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's cool.  are you using the RTM plugin?
[11:03] <mhb> hmm, is this meeting thing taking place today?
[11:04] <mhb> I guess not.
[11:47] <mhb> apachelogger: nobody came
[12:01] <apachelogger> mhb: apparently, I also got stuck in a traffic jam :(
[12:03] <mhb> apachelogger: that's one of the bigger disappointments I encountered here
[12:03] <apachelogger> hm
[12:03] <mhb> apachelogger: really, waiting an hour, hurrying with lunch so I can get here on time
[12:03] <mhb> and then nobody comes
[12:03] <apachelogger> mhb: yeah, sorry for that
[12:04] <mhb> apachelogger: not your fault :o)
[12:04] <apachelogger> oh well, I announced the meeting, so it is partly my fault
[12:07] <mhb> I hope it won't be the same at UDS :o)
[12:08] <mhb> the last week of school is kind of important to me, so I wouldn't want to waste it for no reason
[12:18] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, meeting.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> i doubt Riddell's around
[16:38] <jpatrick> future Kubuntu MOTU spotted
[16:39] <smarter> hey jpatrick
[16:40] <jpatrick> hey there smarter
[16:41] <smarter> how are you?
[16:42]  * smarter really hates his ISP router
[16:43] <jpatrick> not too bad
[16:56] <Arby> jpatrick: really where?
[17:24] <nixternal> mornin'
[17:24] <nixternal> so I didn't miss the meeting it seems
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> was there not one?
[17:25] <nixternal> it seems nobody showed up
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> ah
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> too early I guess
[17:25] <nixternal> to early for me :)
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> and me :)
[17:26]  * claydoh forgot to wake up himself : :(
[17:26] <nixternal> hehe
[17:27] <claydoh> I have this ugly internal alarm in my brain that wakes me up almost exactly 30 mins before my al;arm goes off
[17:27] <apachelogger> lol, good thing I got stuck in the traffic jam then
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> claydoh: lol.... me too!
[17:27] <claydoh> but I forgot abouth the meeting, actually, so I didn't wake up
[20:43]  * yuriy is loving kmail right now
[21:08] <smarter> is someone working on packaging 4.0.4 for hardy PPA?
[21:09] <guaqua> i believe so, nixternal et al might now more
[21:30] <apachelogger> smarter: secret
[21:31] <apachelogger> they will go to hardy-backports though
[21:31] <smarter> apachelogger: ok, just searching for something to do ;)
[21:31] <apachelogger> smarter: kde-apps.org ;-)
[21:33] <Riddell> there's extragear apps for 4.0.4 to be done
[21:33] <Riddell> and there's merges to do
[21:33]  * smarter will look into that
[21:33] <smarter> when do we start the 4.1 fun?
[21:47] <Arby> Riddell: mind if I attempt the merge on koffice? or are you doing it?
[21:57] <Riddell> Arby: go for it
[21:57] <Arby> Riddell: there's a conflict in krita.install that I don't understand
[21:58] <Arby> what is that file supposed to do?
[22:02] <stdin> the .install has a list of all the files that go into that package (are installed by that package)
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> whew... maybe i'll do a kubuntu/kde related openweek talk next time... that was rather fun :)
[22:03]  * apachelogger is changing project neon's versioning for the 3rd time
[22:03] <Arby> stdin: thanks, lets see if I've got this right.
[22:03] <Arby> the diff is http://paste.ubuntu.com/9822/
[22:03] <Arby> so I've edited the file so that each line only appears once
[22:04] <Arby> is that correct
[22:04]  * seele blinks
[22:04] <seele> it's the weekend right?
[22:04] <seele> and Riddell is on IRC?
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> our dear robot knows no holiday :)
[22:10] <Riddell> hi seele
[22:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess 20080503+svn803682-0amarok1 would be the best versioning for nightly snapshots?
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: ooh... nightly snaptshots of amarok? :)
[22:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[22:11]  * nosrednaekim drools
[22:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[22:11] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img082.png
[22:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we are needing a news
[22:11] <Nightrose> for neon?
[22:12] <Nightrose> and when?
[22:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: that seems to miss the actual version number, and includes two snapshot numbers
[22:12] <Riddell> seele: aren't I normally?
[22:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: the idea is to have ongoing snapshots completely unrelated to the actual application version
[22:13] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yes, tomorrow
[22:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger: alright let's get on it tomorrow morning on skype?
[22:14] <apachelogger> can't
[22:14] <apachelogger> I have a super important french test on monday
[22:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: people will have to remove the normal ones first then, which would cause unhappyness for libraries
[22:14] <apachelogger> uhh, that is the tricky part about neon ;-)
[22:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive
[22:14] <apachelogger> all files go to /opt/amarok-nightly
[22:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ah ok - then I will get on it tomorrow - can you write down a few important point that need to be mentioned?
[22:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ubuntu, suse on the roll, nightly snapshots, useable along the stable version
[22:15] <Nightrose> ;-) thx
[22:15] <stdin> apachelogger: what? no "DO NOT REPORT BUGS" messages in big red letters? ;)
[22:16] <apachelogger> stdin: to much work to maintain
[22:16] <apachelogger> everything is based on the idea of doing as little maintenance as possible
[22:16] <stdin> aww, it was my favourite feature :p
[22:16] <apachelogger> well, I made it
[22:16] <apachelogger> so it has to be your favourite
[22:17] <stdin> if it plays music without crashing then I'll get over it
[22:17] <apachelogger> it crashes at shutdown ;-)
[22:17] <stdin> you shutdown amarok? what ever for?
[22:18] <stdin> it lives in my system tray constantly
[22:19] <apachelogger> ^_^
[22:19] <stdin> and now my multimedia-play/stop/forward/back buttons work I hardy need to open it except to add files to the playlist and gawk at it's GUI :D
[22:19]  * nosrednaekim is comforted by the wolf living in his panel
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> except when Amor langs on him
[22:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems fair enough then
[22:32] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[23:00] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: bad timing, actually.  I just got off a train.  (From backscroll, however, things seem to have gone smoothly.)
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: yeah.. it was cool :)
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> and I pointed them to the wiki for more info


[01:06] <Takyoji> I can haz triaging mentor?
[01:19] <Takyoji> Anyone familiar with bisecting (for regression testing) at all?
[01:20] <_diablo> nope
[03:00]  * Takyoji is looking for a vehicle
[03:01] <kermit> Takyoji: what price range?
[03:01] <Takyoji> Under about $1600 (of which is the absolute max, at the moment)
[03:02] <kermit> a friend has a loud scary looking van but with a new set of tires for $200
[03:02] <kermit> bad muffler and bad b reaks
[03:03] <Takyoji> All I need is a car that operates, and doesn't burn up gas insanely. I don't care if it looks like crap, or the radio/casette player is broken, etc
[03:03] <Takyoji> Airbags would also be desirable.
[03:05] <Takyoji> and I have a mechanically-apt family to resolve any basic problems
[03:05] <Takyoji> I have found like 20 or so potential cars via craigslist.
[03:08] <kermit> this van smells like an airport, so it probably burns a lot of gas
[05:07] <Takyoji> Out of curiosity, anyone trust Ksplice?
[05:09] <kermit> i think there's a system that's supported that for a long time natively.. was it BSD/


[00:03] <squirkey> sorry guys.  I am not getting it to work
[00:06] <thinkmassive> no need to apologize to us :-P
[00:08] <squirkey> here is what I have done: cd to the theme folder, sudo tar -zxvf /home/ward/Desktop/81130-Ubuntu Professional v2.tar.gz
[00:08] <squirkey> And it won't extract
[00:09] <thinkmassive> you have to escape the spaces
[00:10] <squirkey> even though the are in the file name?
[00:10] <thinkmassive> because they are in the filename
[00:10] <thinkmassive> prepend every space with \
[00:10] <thinkmassive> sudo tar -zxvf /home/ward/Desktop/81130-Ubuntu\ Professional\ v2.tar.gz
[00:10] <squirkey> thanks.
[00:11] <squirkey> that worked like a charm
[00:14] <squirkey> I have another question, I thought that this new theme would just show up in the list.  What else do I need to do make it show up?
[00:14] <zoredache> !themes
[00:14] <zoredache> !xfcetheme
[00:17] <squirkey> Sorry, I seemed to get a little happy with the mouse
[02:08] <derferman> i installed xubuntu 8.04 on a thinkpad t23, however, i can't get past boot
[02:08] <derferman> i get to the status bar, and it stops about 15% part of the way
[03:02] <randomblink> Anyone here have a moment to help a COMPLETE Linux newb who just installed Ubuntu 8 Server?
[03:02] <randomblink> I just wanna get a GUI up
[03:11] <randomblink> no love?
[03:14] <Odd-rationale> randomblink: you have a server and want to install a GUI?
[03:29] <randomblink> well
[03:29] <randomblink> I have 8 server installed
[03:30] <randomblink> I just wanna get my wireless card installed
[03:30] <randomblink> I am SO new to Linux that a gui makes the most sense for installing the wireless card
[10:06] <mrynit> how to i find what version of xubuntu i am using?
[10:06] <mrynit> Act: 1
[10:08] <mrynit> 3:#ubuntu
[10:08] <mrynit> :S
[10:17] <Valsum> Hello!
[10:45] <Riot777> hello
[11:14] <Hannz> hello
[11:19] <Hannz> I can't change my screen resolution
[11:19] <Hannz> it's hard to browse the forums or find help elsewhere with this resolution..
[11:22] <TheSheep> Hannz: try running 'sudo displayconfig-gtk' in a terminal
[11:23] <Hannz> TheSheep: uhmm.. that's another problem.. I can't seem to start terminal..
[11:23] <Hannz> TheSheep: everytime i start a terminal, it logs me off to login screen
[11:24] <TheSheep> Hannz: press alt+f2 and type 'xterm'
[11:24] <Hannz> TheSheep: can I start terminal using alt+f2? what's the name of the xubuntu terminal? (it was gnome-terminal at ubuntu)
[11:24] <Hannz> sorry
[11:25] <Hannz> still typing the question then..
[11:25] <Hannz> okay
[11:25] <Hannz> I'm at the terminal
[11:26] <Hannz> the screen and graphics preferences are there
[11:26] <Hannz> trying to change my settings..
[11:31] <Hannz> TheSheep: okay.. at the graphics card tab, it shows that my card is a s3 trio 3d, the driver is s3virge - s3 virge and trio3d cards
[11:32] <Hannz> TheSheep: at the the display tab, my detected display was generic plug n play, which don't have any resolution setting higher than 640x480
[11:36] <Hannz> TheSheep: sorry.. got disconnected..
[11:36] <Hannz> TheSheep: actually, my display are at least 1024x768.. tried the generic monitor 1024x768 model, but the test failed (i can't see the 15secs confirmation window)
[11:37] <Hannz> TheSheep: or rather, I saw the window at top left corner of my monitor, half outside the view area
[11:38] <Hannz> TheSheep: i can click the keep settings or cancel button, though, just not sure whether i should click on the keep settings button..
[11:39] <TheSheep> Hannz: I'm sorry, I don't really know
[11:40] <Hannz> TheSheep: okay.. thank you.. i'll try to click the keep settings button and see what happens..
[11:41] <Hannz> TheSheep: by the way, while i was working on the displayconfig-gtk, my terminal shows this messages
[11:43] <Hannz> FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): no such device
[11:44] <Hannz> do i have to worry about that?
[11:44] <TheSheep> Hannz: is that a laptop?
[11:46] <Hannz> TheSheep: nope.. it's an old desktop: P2-233MHz, 160MB RAM, 20GB HDD..
[11:56] <TheSheep> Hannz: then I guess it's normal that it doesn't have a battery
[11:58] <Hannz> TheSheep: i'm currently reading some posts at ubuntuforums.com about this..
[11:58] <Hannz> TheSheep: says that it's harmless though.. might as well ignore it..
[12:07] <Hannz> going to restart
[12:07] <Hannz> TheSheep: thanks again :)
[12:25] <IngerAlHaosului> Can any one help me i have a pc runing windows xp on witch i have installed sun xvm virtualbox, and on the virtual machine i installed xubuntu 8.04,
[12:25] <IngerAlHaosului> i want to sheare files betuin windows and the guest os xubuntu.
[14:23] <Speckal> I have hardy 8.10. I just did the updates from ubuntu repos and it borked my gnome.  right after I login with gdm, my entire screen goes white. I have a mouse cursor, but nothing else.  help please :)
[14:26] <aanderse> hard 8.04; and do you run xubuntu or ubuntu?
[14:26] <Speckal> ubuntu.  I realize i'm telling a bit of a fib being in here.  #ubuntu is much to hectic to get anything done there and I'm up against a deadline :/
[14:27] <aanderse> fair enough
[14:27] <Speckal> and yes, 8.04
[14:27] <aanderse> i'd also recommend #ubuntuforums btw, more traffic than here
[14:27] <aanderse> ok so maybe press ctrl+alt+f1 or f2
[14:27] <aanderse> that will drop you down to a terminal
[14:27] <aanderse> then login
[14:27] <Speckal> yep. I'm there
[14:27] <aanderse> and type startx
[14:27] <aanderse> see what that does
[14:28] <Speckal> X is already running
[14:28] <Speckal> ps ax  I have X, gnome, compiz, even gkrellm
[14:28] <aanderse> so startx gives the same result as logging in
[14:28] <Speckal> no,  "server is already active for display 0"
[14:28] <aanderse> oh
[14:29] <aanderse> well type ps -e | grep *x*
[14:30] <Speckal> anything specific we need from here?  lots of output
[14:30] <aanderse> ok try ps -e | grep x
[14:30] <aanderse> i want you to kill your xserver
[14:30] <aanderse> i forget what it's called though :p
[14:30] <aanderse> and i'm not on a gnu/linux box atm
[14:30] <Speckal> can do
[14:31] <aanderse> like sudo killall X
[14:31] <aanderse> or sudo killall xorg
[14:31] <aanderse> something like that
[14:33] <Speckal> back to gdm (which works just fine, btw)
[14:33] <aanderse> sudo killall gdm
[14:33] <aanderse> heh
[14:34] <Speckal> while I'm here, can I change anything (without login in thru gdm) to disable compiz? My guess is that compiz is the demon here
[14:34] <aanderse> i don't think so, but honestly don't know... i'm not sure how ubuntu configures compiz
[14:34] <aanderse> you could try clicking the "session" button
[14:35] <aanderse> and see if it gives a "gnome-metacity" option
[14:35] <aanderse> but anywho, drop down to a terminal and sudo killall gdm
[14:35] <aanderse> i want to see what happens when you run X from a terminal
[14:36] <Speckal> getting close now... a couple of updates:
[14:37] <Speckal> startx w/o gdm exhibits the same behavior (white screen).   restarting gdm... using "gdm failsafe" option makes gnome work just fine (no white screen)
[14:37] <Speckal> I'm looking for a gui way to disable compiz atm
[14:42] <Speckal> aanderse:  yep. that did it
[14:43] <Speckal> seems that compiz (or "Visual Effects", as ubuntu calls it) was the culprit
[14:43] <aanderse> ah
[14:43] <Speckal> tyvm for help, aanderse :)  made my morning a whole lot less hectic
[14:43] <aanderse> good good
[14:51] <michaelramm> Speckal: I had that after the Kernel update from the weekend (2.6.24-17). I had to press ESC and go back to the -16 kernel
[16:17] <squirkey> I am looking for the wbar.  Anyone know where I can get it and good install instructions?
[16:26] <squirkey> morning thinkmassive
[16:26] <thinkmassive> good morning
[16:27] <squirkey> I want to thank you for your help yesterday with installing tar balls.  I have another question if you are game?
[16:28] <thinkmassive> I'm at work but I'll help when I can
[16:29] <thinkmassive> don't ask to ask, just ask
[16:29] <thinkmassive> there are 60 other people here
[16:30] <squirkey> I am looking for wbar.  I have found a site that has it but no install directions.  I have looked but can't find easy to understand directions.  Do you have exoperience with this?
[16:32] <thinkmassive> haven't heard of it but it looks like there's chatter about it on freshmeat and googlecode
[16:32] <thinkmassive> I'd start there
[16:34] <michaelramm> squirkey: why not AWN or Kiba-Dock?
[16:35] <squirkey> Thanks thinkmassive
[16:36] <squirkey> michaelramm, I see that awn is in the repos.  I can't see to get it running though.
[16:37] <michaelramm> squirkey: explain? I am confused by your last stmt.
[16:37] <squirkey> I used the synaptic package mgr to download and install it.  found it in accessories, clicked it and ran it.  Nothing happened
[16:47] <TheSheep> squirkey: awn requires gnome
[16:48] <TheSheep> squirkey: at least the version that is in the repositories
[16:49] <squirkey> TheSheep, what can I do to get it to run in xubuntu?
[16:49] <TheSheep> squirkey: there is a desktop-agnostic development branch
[16:49] <TheSheep> squirkey: but not sure how advanced the development is
[16:49] <squirkey> what?
[16:50] <TheSheep> last time I checked it required patching and compiling xfwm4
[16:50] <Speckal> michaelramm:  you said you had the white screen problem.  did you try disabling "Visual Effects" (compiz)?
[16:51] <bog4rt> woohoo
[16:51] <michaelramm> no, i saw that earlier. I reverted back to the -16 kernel and was working again
[16:51] <bog4rt> go go gadget stealing k apps and using them in XFCE cause I'm lazy
[18:04] <lenni_-_> hi, is the official powerpc version of xubuntu hardy out yet?
[18:04] <lenni_-_> i can't seem to find it in the release pages
[18:05] <zoredache> I don't believe there is an 'official' version
[18:05] <lenni_-_> there is a "daily build" from april
[18:05] <lenni_-_> but it isn't labelled hardy heron
[18:12] <taza> Does default Xubuntu have any fully compatible ODS viewer without installing extra software?
[18:12] <taza> Installing OO.o isn't an option.
[18:12] <taza> Suggest installing OO.o and you get permanently painted as either a troll or a retard.
[18:13] <taza> (waits for the "why not install OO.o?" in 5...)
[18:13] <taza> Note: I can spare like 10mb, 20 at most for extra software. Got Amarok already.
[18:13] <zoredache> I doubt it is possible to have any 'fully compatible' application
[18:13] <taza> As in, fully viewing ODS documents.
[18:14] <zoredache> fully compatible means feature-identical
[18:14] <taza> It's supposed to be an OSS standard or something, instead I can view my documents with formatting with nothing.
[18:14] <zoredache> at least in my opinion
[18:14] <taza> I did say "ODS viewer"
[18:14] <taza> Not "ODS editor"
[18:15] <aanderse> abiword with plugins is decent... not fully compatible, though
[18:15] <taza> I need formatting. All of it.
[18:15] <aanderse> k
[18:15] <taza> I'm migrating this *confidential* data to html
[18:15] <taza> (so that strips out web-based interfaces)
[18:16] <aanderse> http://opendocumentfellowship.com/odfviewer ?
[18:16] <zoredache> I don't believe anything exists that is 100% or even 90% compatable that isn't OO
[18:17] <taza> Gnumeric has everything but formatting
[18:17] <taza> And seeing a major part of the data is color-coded...
[18:17] <taza> As in entry value in the front, entry type color-coded.
[18:18] <aanderse> :\
[18:19] <taza> Fortunately, apparently I have been wiser than I expected.
[18:19] <taza> An excel '97 file with the exact same data.
[18:20] <taza> It's still like 10 megabytes of data, all text, to be migrated by hand though
[18:20] <taza> *siiigh*
[18:23] <taza> And it's IP data so no recruiting random help.
[18:23] <taza> (Not IP as in Internet Protocol - IP as in Intellectual Property)
[18:24] <zoredache> you mean imaginary property don't you?
[18:24] <aanderse> :)
[18:26] <taza> I do mean intellectual property.
[18:26] <taza> Unreleased works, too.
[18:26] <taza> most of it my intellectual property to boot.
[18:27] <taza> Where I don't agree with the current abuses I do agree with the core concept.
[18:27] <taza> (I don't, btw, care if some college kid copies this without paying me *once* it's released)
[18:30] <taza> (But I'd be highly upset of leaks before it is and someone copying it for money after.)
[18:34] <thinkmassive> taza: is installing only openoffice.org-calc out of the question?
[18:34] <thinkmassive> it's only 15.6MB
[18:35] <thinkmassive> before dependencies
[18:36] <taza> thinkmassive: Before dependencies
[18:37] <aanderse> borrow a laptop from a friend, throw a livecd on it, and get a 1gb usb stick
[18:37] <thinkmassive> well you didn't list all of your installed packages
[18:37] <aanderse> if it's IP then there's money behind it
[18:37] <aanderse> i'm sure you can buy a 1gb usb stick, or rent a laptop ?
[18:38] <taza> aanderse: You know between nothing and nothing.
[18:38] <aanderse> but you raise a good point.... there should be a ods program that can run on xfce...
[18:38] <thinkmassive> taza: maybe you should clarify what it is you're trying to do before knocking down suggestions like that
[18:38] <aanderse> yeah in no way was i insulting you there, i was trying to offer up a suggestion
[18:38] <taza> thinkmassive: "Buy more hardware because you must be rich for doing work on IP"?
[18:39] <aanderse> you're here for help, right?
[18:39] <thinkmassive> a 1gb flash?
[18:39] <thinkmassive> wtf how poor are you
[18:39] <aanderse> a 1gb usb stick is pretty cheap
[18:39] <thinkmassive> apparently you think you have enough of something to act like a prick
[18:39] <taza> Actually I have several flash sticks with enough space.
[18:39] <thinkmassive> so explain what your problem is
[18:39] <taza> I'd have to buy or rent a laptop
[18:39] <TheSheep> tguys, this channel is family friendly
[18:39] <taza> For that.
[18:39] <TheSheep> you can take your name calling somewhere else
[18:40] <TheSheep> taza: the answer to your question is: no
[18:41] <taza> TheSheep: Thanks, gotta just wait 'till I have access to the main server.
[18:41] <thinkmassive> what are you trying to do? present some data?
[18:41] <thinkmassive> you haven't even stated a problem yet
[18:41] <taza> I did ages ago
[18:42] <thinkmassive> you said you want a ods viewer that isn't OOo
[18:42] <taza> Yes, for migrating data that is color coded away from OOo to HTML
[18:42] <thinkmassive> that's not a problem
[18:42] <thinkmassive> why can't you use OOo?
[18:42] <thinkmassive> space?
[18:42] <aanderse> taza: sorry if you thought i was trying to be a prick, just thought maybe you could bororow a laptop from a buddy... my apologies
[18:42] <thinkmassive> you just said you have usb keys
[18:42] <taza> Thank heavens for ignore
[18:42] <thinkmassive> I'm just trying to establish what the real problem is
[18:43] <TheSheep> taza: ods is just zipped xml, you might be able to write a conversion utility
[18:43] <taza> Suggest installing OO.o and you get permanently painted as
[18:43] <taza>                    either a troll or a retard.
[18:43] <taza> TheSheep: I can extract the requisite data from several files
[18:43] <TheSheep> taza: put down your paint
[18:43] <taza> TheSheep: Eh?
[18:43] <thinkmassive> haha ok, one less person I'll help in the future and not a bad thing in my eyes
[18:44] <TheSheep> and turn aaround slowly, so that I can see your hands
[18:44] <taza> ...
[18:44] <taza> I was just copy-pasting what I said earlier
[18:44] <thinkmassive> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[18:44] <zoredache> taza: it was just as offensive when you said it earlier as it is now
[18:44] <TheSheep> did everyone got their answers already? can we finish this?
[18:45] <taza> zoredache: I don't think it's offensive at all
[18:45] <taza> zoredache: I told a question would instantly get you painted as something because it wouldn't be in the least helpful.
[18:46] <TheSheep> taza: do you need to ask about something more?
[18:46] <zoredache> taza: you effort would have been better spent explaining why openoffice wouldn't work for you
[18:46] <taza> Some help on shell script text variable expansion would be useful
[18:46] <taza> zoredache: That leads to a looong string of stupid questions I've heard before.
[18:46] <TheSheep> !ask
[18:48] <taza> zoredache: "My current hardware has a real problem with non-tmpfs space usage" "Get 500gb SATA harddrive, they're cheap nowadays" "well stop using stupid hardware" "Who thought of that?" "Loan a computer"
[18:48] <aanderse> did everyone think it was silly to suggest borrowing a laptop from a friend and throwing a livecd on it?
[18:48] <taza> Well I did, because you should never expect someone to have a friend with some resources
[18:49] <taza> I mean, if you did that you might take it to the extreme and expect everyone has a friend who knows the answer and they're just being mean asking difficult things on IRC.
[18:49] <TheSheep> taza: it seems like you came here expecting to be attacked
[18:49] <taza> TheSheep: This is an Ubuntu channel.
[18:49] <TheSheep> taza: no, it's #xubuntu
[18:49] <taza> An Ubuntu channel means all channels for all ubuntu derivatives.
[18:50] <taza> I can pretty safely expect people asking questions a million times after I've explained they aren't relevant to the problem.
[18:50] <TheSheep> taza: anyways, you need to aks your question to get an answer, random complaining won't do :)
[18:50] <taza> How do I expand variables in shell for the purposes of cp?
[18:50] <TheSheep> well, you just write $variablename
[18:50] <taza> Basically, I need to expand a variable in a while loop to get the current phrase for a part of a filename
[18:51] <aanderse> taza: did you try an oo.o channels as well yet? someone there may have heard of a similar problem?
[18:51] <thinkmassive> taza: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[18:51] <taza> I need to expand at least five such variables in a single name
[18:51] <taza> aanderse: Please. I dread Ubuntu channels, I don't go near OO.o or wikipedia channels.
[18:52] <taza> There is something about the culture of the followers of such projects that is incompatible with my psyche.
[18:52] <aanderse> taza: oh, sorry... never been on an oo.o channel
[18:53] <taza> TheSheep: I already tried the $variable approach, and it failed. I need $variable$variable2$variable3.extension
[18:55] <zoredache> can you give us an example of a command you are trying to use?
[18:55] <TheSheep> taza: works for me: for i in foo bar baz; do for j in 1 2 4; do echo $i$j; done; done
[18:55] <taza> cp blank.jpg $variable1$variable2divider$variable3.extension
[18:56] <taza> That was supposed to be blank.example but bah
[18:57] <zoredache> you might try ${variable1}${variable2}divider${vairable3}
[18:57] <TheSheep> taza: for i in foo bar baz; do for j in 1 2 4; do echo "$i"divider"$j"; done; done
[18:58] <TheSheep> :)
[18:58] <TheSheep> or what zoredache says
[18:58] <taza> Note: It leaves the divider and either variable 2 or 3 out
[18:58] <taza> $[variable2] $[variable3] worked
[18:58] <taza> Now, how do I include a zero before a less than 10 number there?
[18:59] <taza> Because name1divider1.example works badly when it's supposed to go to eleven.
[18:59] <TheSheep> well, juz write them this way
[19:00] <taza> They're the integer controlling the whileloop
[19:00] <TheSheep> for i in 01, 02, 03...
[19:00] <taza> Me space, ist broke
[19:00] <TheSheep> 01 02 03, sorry
[19:00] <TheSheep> they are just strings
[19:01] <zoredache> you might have to do it as two steps   one step to use printf to get the padded name
[19:01] <zoredache> blah=`printf '%04d\n' '23'`
[19:01] <taza> Would defining $variable4 and $variable5 as "0" if the value is under 10 and "" if it's over 9 work?
[19:02] <taza> Also "Gah I haven't done any bash scripting in a year and I completely forgot it"
[19:02] <zoredache> so  printf '%02d' '3'   would return '03''`
[19:07] <taza> Would definining a variable as "" work when including it in a string?
[19:07] <taza> As in, trying to fetch that variable returning nothing, resulting in no change?
[19:18] <taza> Apparently it works. w00t
[19:24] <taza> Also, horrible hack
[19:24] <taza> How glad I was to rm that script after it had served it's purpose
[19:24] <v0lksman> hey all!  I have an issue here that is driving me nutts.  I have a latop with an Intel 945GM, in gnome I get 1400X1050 no issues.  Switch to xfce and I'm forced into 1280X1024.  I'm using the i810 driver however I'm not convinced it's installed correctly based on lshw saying display is "Unclaimed"
[19:25] <v0lksman> when I tell xfce to go 1400x1050 I get one of those old school oversized desktops where I need to mouse over the edges to see the rest of the desktop...
[19:27] <taza> Well, I've gotten everything I wanted
[19:27] <taza> So I shall bid you farewell
[19:28] <TheSheep> v0lksman: try playing with displayconfig-gtk
[19:29] <v0lksman> TheSheep: yeah that's what I was playing with that provides the larger desktop but requires that I scroll to get the edges
[19:29] <v0lksman> scroll=mouse to edge
[19:31] <v0lksman> gonna reboot to try something...thanks anyways...
[20:32] <aroo> therms does your motherboard support dual channel ram
[20:32] <aroo> wrong channel
[20:33] <cody-somerville> aroo, :)
[20:54] <FrederikVds> Ii have installed xubuntu on an old laptop, but it only uses a small part of my screen (about half the size, in the center of the screen). It also does this when booting windows, but once windows is loaded it uses my full screen. Any ideas on how can I make this work in xubuntu?
[20:55] <zoredache> most likely your video adapter wasn't detected and your computer has choose to use a resolution smaller then the optimum res for the display
[20:56] <FrederikVds> I'm quite new to linux, what does that mean? Do I need drivers or something?
[20:57] <zoredache> maybe...  If your laptop video card is supported you may be able to forse things to work by running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' in a terminal/shell
[20:57] <FrederikVds> ok
[20:59] <thinkmassive> actually it changed in the latest *buntu release
[20:59] <thinkmassive> you have to use xrandr now
[20:59] <FrederikVds> ok
[20:59] <thinkmassive> do you know what version you got?
[21:00] <thinkmassive> 7.10 or 8.04?
[21:00] <FrederikVds> 8.04
[21:00] <thinkmassive> what kind of laptop is it?
[21:00] <FrederikVds> A Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600
[21:06] <FrederikVds> what does xrandr do?
[21:06] <jake_> hello
[21:06] <thinkmassive> xrandr changes the screen resolution used by X
[21:07] <maxamillion> yeah, not so much
[21:07] <maxamillion> man xrandr
[21:08] <FrederikVds> Should i use --fb? It refuses to use that
[21:08] <jake_> my computer keeps randomly rebooting and i'm not having much luck diagnosing it.  the logs aren't telling me anything useful, except that the computer is rebooting.  any advice?
[21:08] <thinkmassive> jake_: maybe it's a heat issue?
[21:09] <thinkmassive> FrederikVds: you might be able to specify a different video mode through grub
[21:09] <jake_> i thought it was that, but i have a case with several fans and recently replaced my stock intel cpu fan with a far more effective one.
[21:09] <jake_> didn't seem to help.
[21:09] <FrederikVds> ok i'll check
[21:09] <thinkmassive> jake_: too many fans drawing too much power when things heat up?
[21:10] <jake_> perhaps.  what components do i need to be especially concerned about getting too hot?  the cpu should be fine.
[21:11] <thinkmassive> cpu, northbridge, video, hdd...
[21:11] <KOJV> Anyone with experience on installing i8kfans in Xubuntu? I get all kinds of errors.
[21:11] <KOJV> Please help me. It's very tireful to keep the CPU cool with mouth to heatsink method...
[21:11] <jake_> atm i'm using integrated video and the hard drive has a fan right next to it.
[21:11] <jake_> what is the northbridge?
[21:12] <thinkmassive> it connects your cpu to ram and video, usually has a heatsink on it near the cpu
[21:12] <thinkmassive> there should be a pic of the mobo in your manual
[21:12] <thinkmassive> that's really a long shot though
[21:13] <thinkmassive> I'd help more but I've got too much work, bbl
[21:13] <jake_> alright, i'll consider that.  thanks.
[21:19] <FrederikVds> when i do dpkg-reconfigure, i assume i have to restart X? how can i do that without rebooting?
[21:19] <KOJV> Help me with http://people.debian.org/~dz/i8k/ please!
[21:19] <KOJV> I hate it when they assume one to know how to compile and install. :(
[21:21] <aanderse> FrederikVds: press ctrl+alt+backspace
[21:21] <aanderse> this will end your session though
[21:21] <FrederikVds> ok
[21:21] <aanderse> so make sure you save any documents you are working on
[21:22] <aanderse> KOJV: one sec, let me see
[21:23] <aanderse> KOJV: that util is *really* old
[21:25] <aanderse> KOJV: what computer do you have? a dell notebook?
[21:25] <KOJV> aanderse, yes an Inspiron 8200. Got a better software to control the fans?
[21:26] <aanderse> no, researching this tool though
[21:26] <KOJV> aanderse, please let me know if you can make it install / run.
[21:27] <KOJV> aanderse, which very much oughta be possible, I just don't know how. makefile install just gives me a huge bunch of errors.
[21:27] <aanderse> sure, what happens when you type "make" ?
[21:28] <aanderse> oh, ps
[21:28] <aanderse> did you know there's a package already in ubuntu??
[21:29] <KOJV> aanderse, to control the fans? No, which one?
[21:29] <aanderse> type sudo apt-get install i8kutils
[21:29] <aanderse> that very utility you're trying to compile!
[21:29] <KOJV> aanderse: that package cannot be found, it says.
[21:30] <aanderse> do you have the universe repositories enabled?
[21:30] <KOJV> No, how?
[21:30] <aanderse> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i8kutils
[21:31] <KOJV> I've got the main and universe resps active,
[21:31] <aanderse> you're using xubuntu, i assume, right?
[21:31] <KOJV> Yes.
[21:31] <aanderse> xubuntu 8.04 ?
[21:31] <KOJV> yep
[21:31] <aanderse> ok type sudo apt-get install i8kutils
[21:32] <KOJV> Package not found...
[21:32] <aanderse> ok
[21:32] <aanderse> type
[21:32] <aanderse> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep universe
[21:33] <KOJV> aanderse: I don't understand the output.
[21:34] <aanderse> i was hoping you would send me the output :)
[21:34] <ephemeros> aanderse: i can't find that package in the same distro version
[21:34] <ephemeros> have enabled all the repos
[21:34] <aanderse> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i8kutils
[21:34] <aanderse> well it's there...
[21:34] <aanderse> i don't have my computer with me right now, at work...
[21:35] <aanderse> i'll ssh into our linux server and see...
[21:35] <aanderse> oh
[21:35] <aanderse> wait
[21:35] <aanderse> it's gutsy, not hardy
[21:35] <aanderse> uh
[21:35] <KOJV> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15404/
[21:35] <ephemeros> :)
[21:35] <aanderse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15404/
[21:36] <ephemeros> and also only on i386, probably this would be the issue
[21:36] <aanderse> oh...
[21:36] <aanderse> KOJV: type uname -a and give me the output please
[21:36] <aanderse> are you running a 64bit xubuntu?
[21:37] <KOJV> aanderse: no 32.
[21:37] <aanderse> ok well i'll run you through installing it manually, just paste what i'm saying here
[21:37] <slow-motion> hi
[21:37] <aanderse> open a terminal and ...
[21:37] <aanderse> wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/i8kutils/i8kutils_1.27_i386.deb
[21:37] <KOJV> Linux ellenor-laptop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:38] <KOJV> Uhm... now I'm not sure.
[21:38] <aanderse> that will download the package for you
[21:38] <aanderse> then you can type sudo dpkg -i i8kutils_1.27_i386.deb to install it
[21:39] <KOJV> Package installer says Dependency is not satisfiable: tk8.4|wish
[21:39] <aanderse> ok, not a problem
[21:40] <aanderse> sudo apt-get install tk8.4
[21:40] <ephemeros> what about double-clicking the package?
[21:40] <KOJV> ephemeros: that's what I did.
[21:41] <ephemeros> :|
[21:41] <aanderse> does xubuntu have gdebi installed by default?
[21:41] <ephemeros> yes it has
[21:41] <KOJV> freely translated from Swedish... the package tk8.4 has got not installation candidate.
[21:41] <aanderse> oh... my bad
[21:42] <aanderse> i'm about to head out from work soon... anyone here think they can run KOJV through installing tk8.4 from the repos, and installing i8kutils from a .deb?
[21:42] <KOJV> So... now what?
[21:42] <ephemeros> i would suggest to look for the tk8.4 packade in synaptic package manager
[21:42] <ephemeros> that error sounds familiar, like the package exists though it won't install, maybe a bug?
[21:43] <ephemeros> KOJV ^
[21:46] <KOJV> ephemeros:  thanks but there's no such package in my resp.
[21:46] <ephemeros> KOJV: do you have synaptic running?
[21:46] <aanderse> ... what's up with your repos?
[21:47] <KOJV> Dunno.
[21:48] <ephemeros> may i suggerst to open up Menu->System->Synaptic Package Manager, then
[21:48] <ephemeros> in its menu click Settings->Repositories
[21:49] <ephemeros> and look there if the first two options are enabled
[21:49] <ephemeros> thoug you said main and universe are enabled :|
[21:49] <KOJV> ephemeros:  yes they are.
[21:50] <ephemeros> what about the mirror, what if it's not up-to-date, or refresh the packages list
[21:50] <ephemeros> ...with the reload button :|
[21:50] <aanderse> yeah, hit the big "reload" button maybe
[21:50] <ephemeros> :)
[21:50] <aanderse> heh
[21:50] <aanderse> anywho, good luck, but sorry gotta go
[21:50] <aanderse> ttyl
[21:50] <ephemeros> see you a.
[21:51] <FrederikVds> Thanks for the help, i'm going bye
[21:52] <ephemeros> KOJV: any luck?
[21:53] <cody-somerville> Good Evening Xubuntu Users! :)
[21:53] <ephemeros> bye \m/
[21:56] <ephemeros> oh, sorry cody-somerville, good evening to you
[21:56] <cody-somerville> hehe
[21:56] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:56] <S0210> Hi! How to change the language of Xfce? I can't find language packages in Synaptic.
[21:56] <ephemeros> i confused the english expressions :)
[21:58] <ephemeros> S0210: if you search "language" by name, don't you have ant result?
[21:59] <ephemeros> like language-pack-... or language-support-...
[21:59] <S0210> ephemeros: I have a result but I can't find e.g. xfce4-session in Hungarian in Synaptic (although it does exist as I remember from 7.10)
[22:00] <S0210> ephemeros: yes, there is something http://i18n.xfce.org/stats/index.php?mode=4&lang=xfce_4_2/hu
[22:00] <ephemeros> i never used packages, though...
[22:00] <S0210> ephemeros: but not in Synaptic. and I have no clue what to do now
[22:01] <ephemeros> what if you select language-support-hu ?
[22:01] <ephemeros> it looks like a meta-package
[22:01] <ephemeros> let me look a bit
[22:02] <S0210> ephemeros: done. but it does not change quite a few xfce related labels (inc. some obvious ones like "power off")
[22:02] <ephemeros> :|
[22:03] <ephemeros> anyway, when installing the good packages, let's say you would find it,
[22:03] <ephemeros> what should happen, how did you enable it?
[22:04] <S0210> ephemeros: right after starting the live CD I chose Hungarian and I installed it this way. :-)
[22:05] <S0210> ephemeros: later on there is a menu / system / language support that I used to checked
[22:05] <ephemeros> oh, i think it enables it womeho, anyway i think the session should be restartet for the efefcts to take place, souldn't it?
[22:06] <ephemeros> :|
[22:06] <S0210> ephemeros: it has been restarted about hundred times since April 2008 :-)
[22:07] <ephemeros> whit this package installed?
[22:07] <S0210> ephemeros: yes
[22:07] <ephemeros> then i don't know, i though i could figure out :D
[22:08] <ephemeros> S0210: let me restart my session
[22:09] <ephemeros> brb
[22:14] <ephemeros> S0210: it works here
[22:14] <S0210> ephemeros: works what?
[22:14] <ephemeros> changing the language
[22:14] <ephemeros> what i did is:
[22:14] <S0210> ephemeros: what language?
[22:14] <S0210> ephemeros: have you changed to hu?
[22:14] <ephemeros> i put romanian packages
[22:15] <ephemeros> i installed: language-pack-ro and language-support-ro
[22:15] <ephemeros> then, at the login window i choosed Language->Romanian,
[22:15] <cody-somerville> Applications > System > Language Support
[22:16] <S0210> ephemeros: awesome... then my Romanian language problem is solved :-)
[22:16] <slow-motion> n8
[22:16] <ephemeros> S0210: you mean hungarian?
[22:16] <S0210> ephemeros: now back to the Hungarian problem
[22:16] <ephemeros> cody-somerville: it looks like the language support tool wants to install the gnome ro pack
[22:17] <ephemeros> S0210: what do you mean?
[22:17] <ephemeros> did you change the language at the login window?
[22:17] <S0210> ephemeros: I did installed language-pack-hu and language-support-hu and a few more language-*-hu
[22:17] <ephemeros> ^
[22:18] <cody-somerville> ephemeros, thats okay :)
[22:18] <S0210> ephemeros: as I see the menu in hu I suppose I did
[22:19] <ephemeros> and also, S0210, an issue could be if you have enabled the option to save/restore all your sessions, i think the session retakes it's old settings, never tried, thoug
[22:19] <S0210> ephemeros: stop
[22:19] <ephemeros> ok :)
[22:19] <S0210> ephemeros: let me explain my problem again
[22:20] <ephemeros> yes...
[22:20] <S0210> ephemeros: http://ubuntu.hu/files/imagecache/thumb/files/bugreports/xxx_setup.png
[22:21] <S0210> ephemeros: probably it tells you more than I could put in words
[22:21] <ephemeros> that's what you see now, or what you want to see?
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: most of the things are in hu but a few things remained en (e.g. "removable drives and media")
[22:22] <ephemeros> oh...
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: first I thought it is a missing translation
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: but it is not as I can not find it on launchpad at all
[22:22] <ephemeros> you, with my translation those are missing, too
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: then I also found this http://i18n.xfce.org/stats/index.php?mode=4&lang=xfce_4_4/hu
[22:23] <S0210> ephemeros: it shows that the translation exists but not in lanuchpad
[22:23] <S0210> ephemeros: I do not care if it is set up in launchpad or not but I want to have them
[22:23] <ephemeros> :|
[22:23] <S0210> ephemeros: now comes my trick question: what should I do?
[22:24] <ephemeros> well i don't know what to say
[22:24] <S0210> :-)
[22:24] <ephemeros> aren't the translations dwl-dable and installable from the xfce website?
[22:25] <ephemeros> ...separately
[22:25] <S0210> ephemeros: I suppose they are... (see the link above). how can I check it? what should I do?
[22:26] <ephemeros> i really don't know, anyone?
[22:27] <ephemeros> S0210: remember xubuntu xfce installation is custom,
[22:28] <ephemeros> i don't know how the default xfce translated installation looks like,
[22:28] <ephemeros> but it is possible that those buttons and items weren't translated, i'm not a maintainer and just suppose so
[22:30] <suRsu> hello everyone!
[22:30] <ephemeros> at a second thought "Autostarted Apps" is default in XFCE,
[22:30] <ephemeros> when i press the button, the window that appears *is* translated :))
[22:30] <S0210> ephemeros: that's not the case seeing the Xfce4 Translations Statistics that I referred to earlier (see url)
[22:31] <ephemeros> ok
[22:32] <suRsu> okej people anyone in here that can help me ? i really need to ask some questions and get some good advices and guide im newbie =)
[22:32] <Myrtti> hello suRsu
[22:33] <suRsu> hayy
[22:33] <suRsu> first of all im on my windows op right now i dont know how to istnall irc on liux
[22:34] <Myrtti> you've got pidgin there
[22:35] <Myrtti> pidgin can do irc
[22:35] <ephemeros> suRsu: every application existing on the repository can be installed from the desktop menu->System->Synaptic Package Manager
[22:35] <ephemeros> yeah, that is an option (pidgin)
[22:36] <Myrtti> I personally don't like pidgin at all
[22:36] <Myrtti> actually I finally managed to outsource all my im protocols to bitlbee
[22:36] <ephemeros> me neither, what IRC client do you use, Myrtti ?
[22:36] <Myrtti> had to compile bitlbee myself to get past some idiocies
[22:36] <Myrtti> ephemeros: of course the best :-)
[22:36] <Myrtti> ephemeros: irssi
[22:37] <ephemeros> lol, this is the first time i hear about it
[22:37] <TheSheep> it's the best
[22:37] <suRsu> question i have a laptop and i wonder witch ubuntu works best for it or even linux i looked around like opensuse and stuff like that but i have no clue.. i cant seems to get compiz on my laptop :S
[22:38] <zoredache> bitlbee/irssi is great.  but you might need to compile yourself or backport to get everything work
[22:38] <TheSheep> suRsu: compiz is not required
[22:38] <ephemeros> suRsu: what laptop model do you have
[22:38] <suRsu> System Model: HP Compaq nc6400 (EH522AV)
[22:38] <suRsu>                BIOS: KBC Version 56.33
[22:38] <suRsu>           Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T7200  @ 2.00GHz (2 CPUs)
[22:38] <suRsu>              Memory: 1016MB RAM
[22:38] <Myrtti> zoredache: yeah, I had to compile it myself after doing some hacking with a friend to get past jabber port restrictions
[22:39] <ephemeros> Myrtti, TheSheep, zoredache: i think it sucks if it starts in command line, don't scare the guy away :)
[22:39] <suRsu> my card is  Card name: Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family
[22:39] <suRsu>      Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
[22:39] <suRsu>         Chip type: Intel(R) GMA 950
[22:39] <Myrtti> ephemeros: that's why I said pidgin
[22:39] <Myrtti> :-)
[22:40] <ephemeros> well, i'm closer to suRsu in though, let me recommend him XChat
[22:40] <suRsu> well im on my windows op right now
[22:40] <ephemeros> suRsu: X/Ubuntu runs out-of the box on my laptop, except the wireless
[22:40] <ephemeros> though i have Acer
[22:41] <ephemeros> suRsu: try http://www.xchat.org/download/
[22:41] <Myrtti> suRsu: I've worked with ncx400's a lot
[22:41] <ephemeros> it runs on windows, too, you may try it there and if you like it install when on ubuntu
[22:41] <Myrtti> they work very, very nicely with Ubuntu
[22:41] <Myrtti> any flavor, really
[22:41] <ephemeros> Myrtti: cool
[22:42] <suRsu> hmm only says  windows 2000 xp or vista or fedora 7 :p
[22:42] <suRsu> does fedora stuff work on xubuntu?
[22:42] <ephemeros> :|
[22:43] <suRsu> couse its rpm file can i download that stuff for my xubuntu?
[22:43] <ephemeros> fedora is a linux distribution like ubuntu, it runs on its own
[22:43] <suRsu> ah
[22:43] <ephemeros> nope
[22:43] <Myrtti> suRsu: are you trying to install an irc client to your windows or to your (x)ubuntu?
[22:43] <suRsu> well xubuntu
[22:43] <suRsu> so ican logg over and talk
[22:44] <Myrtti> well for xubuntu you can use the package management
[22:44] <suRsu> i have the 8.04 verison
[22:44] <Myrtti> applications -> system -> add/remove
[22:45] <suRsu> alright i be back soon
[22:45] <suRsu> thanks
[22:45] <Myrtti> suRsu: what client are you using now?
[22:45] <Myrtti> xchat, mirc?
[22:45] <suRsu> mirc
[22:45] <Myrtti> then you'll probably like xchat
[22:45] <suRsu> do i have to download it?
[22:45] <Myrtti> search for that in that add/remove application search box
[22:45] <Myrtti> yes
[22:46] <suRsu> alright
[22:46] <Myrtti> or use the cd
[22:46] <ephemeros> suRsu: i told you, you should probably try it in windoze, to check for the settings, config, etc
[22:46] <Myrtti> no, actually, I think xchat isn't on the cd
[22:46] <suRsu> i dont have the cd i download the file from the homepage and extracted it on my widnows then i isntalled it :p
[22:46] <Myrtti> so yes, you need to download it
[22:46] <ephemeros> yeah, i think it's in the universe repo
[22:47] <suRsu> alright brb
[22:47] <ephemeros> k
[22:47] <ephemeros> Myrtti: do you know an easy way to connect to windoze samba shares on xubuntu?
[22:48] <Myrtti> I don't know about the easy, but the best is still to mount them
[22:48] <ephemeros> what if the guy will want that too, probably we should recommend him the Gnome or KDE variations?
[22:48] <ephemeros> hmm...ok
[22:48] <ephemeros> i hope he'll manage it :)
[22:48] <Myrtti> the thing with all the graphical things is that they usually work for some apps, and then for some they don't
[22:49] <Myrtti> using mount makes them visible for all the apps, always
[22:49] <Myrtti> I think he was a she, btw ;-)
[22:49] <ephemeros> i used almost only graphical tools, i don't know about those
[22:50] <ephemeros> oh, didn't notice :)
[22:50] <Myrtti> "/home/myrtti/.irssi/scripts/autorun/autorealname.pl"
[22:51] <Myrtti> [00:29] *** suRsu (Suey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #xubuntu
[22:51] <Myrtti> might be wrong, though
[22:51] <ephemeros> oh :)
[22:51] <suRs> hay
[22:51] <Myrtti> hello suRs
[22:52] <ephemeros> Myrtti:  ... :)
[22:52] <ephemeros> hey
[22:52] <suRs> im back xD on my betuiful linux now =)
[22:52] <suRs> omg this rox! thanks guys ur the best
[22:52] <Myrtti> ephemeros: then again so am I ;-)
[22:52] <Myrtti> suRs: no prob, that's what we're here for
[22:52] <ephemeros> Myrtti: i though about that, feminine intuiition, probably
[22:53] <suRs> well you know how it its with newbie but i gotta admit it everyone is a newbie some time :p
[22:53] <Myrtti> suRs: exactly
[22:53] <Myrtti> oh, back in the days when I used to login as root to gnome session...
[22:53] <Myrtti> :-P
[22:53] <suRs> well  question .. when i look for themes what kinda should i look for? what is kde 1 , 2?
[22:54] <Myrtti> suRs: if you've got xubuntu, then you can look for the ones for xfce, and sometimes for gtk/gnome
[22:54] <suRs> ah alright are thay hard to install?
[22:55] <Myrtti> if you've got kubuntu, then kde themes are the ones to look for
[22:55] <ephemeros> yeah, KDE, Gnome and XFCE are different desktops with different settings and themes
[22:55] <suRs> so were can i find does one ? :)
[22:55] <ephemeros> Ubuntu has Gnome, Kubuntu comes from KDE and Xubuntu from XFCE
[22:56] <suRs> well i got Xubuntu
[22:56] <ephemeros> ok, any flavor you have the others can be installed, though extra space will be required,
[22:57] <ephemeros> and if you're on the live-cd all will install in the memory, i don't think you'll have enough space there
[22:57] <suRs> i didnt knew witch one to pick isntall hehe
[22:58] <suRs> i got 20 gig more i think on my hard drive
[22:58] <ephemeros> :) better see some demos on youtube, or something, it's a matter of taste
[22:58] <suRs> i alredy have my taste :D
[22:58] <DaveKong> Does anyone use KGS? I can't get it to work even though I got java etc
[22:58] <ephemeros> the "x" one?
[22:59] <KOJV> ephemeros: I changed to the international resp instead of the Swedish one and now it's downlioading the utils okay. Thanks a bunch!
[23:00] <suRs> kojv your swedish?
[23:00] <ephemeros> KOJV: cool
[23:00] <KOJV> suRs: , yes.
[23:00] <suRs> jag med :)
[23:00] <suRs> its me too on swedish hehe
[23:00] <KOJV> k :)
[23:01] <suRs> ephemeros
[23:01] <ephemeros> yup
[23:02] <suRs> when i run ./compiz-check
[23:02] <suRs> i get this kinda think Gathering information about your system...
[23:02] <suRs>  Distribution:          Ubuntu 8.04
[23:02] <suRs>  Desktop environment:   Xfce
[23:02] <suRs>  Graphics chip:         Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:02] <suRs>  Driver in use:         intel
[23:02] <suRs>  Rendering method:      AIGLX
[23:02] <suRs> Checking if it's possible to run Compiz on your system...
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for texture_from_pixmap...               [FAIL]
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for non power of two support...          [FAIL]
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for composite extension...               [ OK ]
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for FBConfig...                          [FAIL]
[23:02] <suRs> when it says fail i cant use it?
[23:02] <Myrtti> !paste | suRs
[23:03] <suRs> sorry.
[23:03] <Myrtti> np
[23:03] <ephemeros> suRs: i'm not so good at installing compiz, maybe Myrtti could help you better
[23:03] <suRs> myrtti maybe you can help me?
[23:04] <Myrtti> I actually installed xubuntu because I couldn't get compiz to work (though later I found out it was because I had server kernel)
[23:04] <suRs> so
[23:04] <suRs> what did you do?
[23:04] <Myrtti> I can't remember seeing that kind of script though
[23:05] <Myrtti> how are you trying to install compiz?
[23:05] <suRs> well
[23:05] <suRs> i tryed once but i couln't it to work
[23:06] <suRs> and  i had to resintall my xubuntu becose my other one acted wierd
[23:06] <Myrtti> did you download something from somewhere?
[23:06] <suRs> yeah i did
[23:06] <Myrtti> if so, how and from where?
[23:06] <suRs> do some downloads
[23:06] <suRs> it was sudo get i- and alot of compiz stuff
[23:06] <suRs> on the terminal
[23:06] <Myrtti> ok
[23:07] <suRs> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:07] <suRs> its my grafick card it does support 3d
[23:07] <suRs> and the driver in use is intel it says
[23:08] <Myrtti> I might be wrong, but I think there might be another driver that you could use
[23:08] <suRs> Rendering method:      AIGLX <-- i have no idea what this is
[23:08] <suRs> how do i install grafik card drives? :S
[23:09] <ephemeros> all the drivers i know are for NVidia and ATI
[23:09] <suRs> yeah
[23:10] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[23:10] <Myrtti> sorry, a tad late here in Finland
[23:10] <ephemeros> i bought my laptop especially with one of these for the drivers :)
[23:10] <suRs> hehe
[23:10] <suRs> but my laptop its pretty expensive
[23:11] <ephemeros> suRs: did you check the ubuntu wiki for the drivers installation?
[23:11] <suRs> nop
[23:11] <ephemeros> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[23:12] <ephemeros> excuse me, i think this is it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[23:13] <Myrtti> I think you're doing great here, I'm on the other hand getting really tired
[23:13] <Myrtti> /me goes to put some new linens to her bed and tucks in
[23:13] <Myrtti> niteynite
[23:13] <ephemeros> night Myrtti
[23:14] <suRs> god night
[23:14] <ephemeros> suRs: i'll go to sleep too, but try some few more things
[23:14] <ephemeros> check the desktop menu -> System->Hardware drivers and check what do you see there
[23:15] <suRs> nothing
[23:15] <suRs> its emptey
[23:15] <suRs> empty
[23:16] <ephemeros> wow, well bad news, when i search for "drivers" on the Ubuntu help site the results are:
[23:17] <ephemeros> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=drivers&titlesearch=Titles
[23:17] <suRs> so
[23:17] <ephemeros> i really don't know what's the business with those Intel drivers
[23:17] <suRs> okej
[23:17] <ephemeros> why don't you install compiz directly from the package manager?
[23:17] <ephemeros> ...and see what happens
[23:18] <suRs> can i do that?
[23:18] <ephemeros> yes
[23:18] <ephemeros> open Synaptic Packade Manager from System
[23:18] <suRs> cool i can try
[23:18] <ephemeros> then search by name "compiz"
[23:18] <suRs> i did that
[23:19] <suRs> now its finish i think
[23:19] <ephemeros> though in my knowledge compiz is not very well supported on XFCE
[23:19] <suRs> how do i know if it works?
[23:19] <ephemeros> ok, so let me think
[23:19] <suRs> what kinad linix should i use then opensuse?
[23:19] <suRs> debian?
[23:20] <ephemeros> ubuntu has gnome and kde, too
[23:20] <ephemeros> i'd recommend you ubuntu, the default one on gnome,
[23:20] <suRs> i dont like ubuntu so much
[23:20] <ephemeros> if you really want compiz working out of the box
[23:21] <ephemeros> well i don't know about the others
[23:21] <suRs> k
[23:21] <suRs> i like xubuntu its nice :p
[23:21] <suRs> hehe
[23:21] <ephemeros> the same issues apply on the other distros, compiz works better on gnome and kde
[23:21] <suRs> whats so diffrent?
[23:21] <ephemeros> you mean you don't like gnome
[23:21] <suRs> what do you use?
[23:22] <ephemeros> i use xubuntu,
[23:22] <suRs> so why do you use it?
[23:22] <ephemeros> i worked some time on gnome, but some things i didn't like, it is slower
[23:22] <ephemeros> because i like it is fast, and logical in settings,
[23:23] <suRs> okej
[23:23] <suRs> but you got compiz?
[23:23]  * cody-somerville likes Xubuntu too :)
[23:23] <ephemeros> gnome has some settings in the GUI, some other in the configuration manager, and others probably in config files :|
[23:23] <ephemeros> cody-somerville: \m/
[23:23] <ephemeros> my gf has it
[23:23] <ephemeros> she's on gnome
[23:23] <suRs> well my bf dosnt like linux
[23:24] <ephemeros> :))
[23:24] <suRs> only my brother used it so i got intressted when he fixed his desktop like he whanted was relly cool
[23:24] <ephemeros> what distro does he use?
[23:24] <suRs> i whant to fix my desktop like that allso so i whanted a nice theme :p
[23:24] <suRs> i have no idea what he use :p
[23:24] <suRs> he just said linux
[23:24] <ephemeros> :|
[23:24] <suRs> hehe
[23:25] <suRs> how do i install theme?
[23:25] <ephemeros> go to settings->settings manager
[23:25] <suRs> yeah
[23:25] <suRs> okej
[23:25] <ephemeros> there is
[23:26] <ephemeros> well i put on the translation and forgot their names in english :D
[23:26] <suRs> well
[23:26] <suRs> i ment like
[23:26] <ephemeros> but you will figure out, you can change the icons, window borders and gui style
[23:26] <suRs> a nicer one that i can download
[23:26] <ephemeros> oh
[23:26] <suRs> like its awsomme!
[23:27] <ephemeros> http://xfce-look.org/
[23:27] <suRs> xfce is the one i should use for xubuntu?
[23:28] <ephemeros> well you should use what you like most
[23:28] <suRs> whats the diffrent  with xfce gtk1.x 2.x
[23:28] <ephemeros> suRs: do you want a screenshot with mine?
[23:28] <ephemeros> gtk+2
[23:29] <ephemeros> the 1.x version is obsolete
[23:29] <suRs> well
[23:30] <suRs> sure how do i see your ss
[23:30] <ephemeros> 1 min
[23:32] <ephemeros> is the screenshot coming?
[23:32] <suRs> hum
[23:32] <suRs> nop
[23:33] <suRs> well i didnt find anyone that looked cool enought
[23:33] <suRs> i whant like final fantasy or somting nice
[23:33] <suRs> :D
[23:33] <ephemeros> :)
[23:34] <ephemeros> well suRs i hope you'll make your mind to a desktop/distro, i have to go to sleep
[23:34] <ephemeros> se you
[23:34] <ephemeros> bye guys \m/
[23:35] <suRs> nigt
[23:35] <suRs> me2
[23:35] <suRs> work tomorrow


[00:49] <hajour> Pendulum, how i can get accessibility mail on my new mail address ?
[00:51] <Pendulum> hajour: subscribe at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-accessibility
[00:51] <hajour> delete my old 1 plz
[00:53] <hajour> subscribed again
[00:54] <Pendulum> *nods*
[00:55] <hajour> trough all this extra work i still not have time to ask sponsoring for uds :(
[00:56] <Pendulum> hajour: you have until Tuesday to apply
[00:57] <hajour> yes but i need some help..and every time i had made a appointment something happened where through i not good do it
[00:58] <hajour> i get really the feeling someone hates me that the person everytime cause problems
[00:59] <hajour> how can i get a cloak ?
[01:00] <Pendulum> hajour: I'd suggest working on a draft and then asking either in here or in #ubuntu-women if people are willing to read and comment on your draft.
[01:05] <hajour> Pendulum,  may i pm you?
[01:06] <hajour> mm i every time come to late last days to speak whit charlie-tca
[01:06] <Pendulum> hajour: I need to go to bed. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Sorry
[01:06] <hajour> ok goodnight Pendulum
[01:07] <Pendulum> g'night hajour
[01:20] <hajour> pleia2,  are you around?
[01:21] <hajour> wanted to ask if you make something like  speechcontrol.which mailing lists would good to subscribe to
[01:22] <hajour> to get info to make it so all programs can use it
[02:34] <hajour> AlanBell, when you read this later.i have a new email address if it is right accessibility have it now .block the old 1 complete
[02:49] <valorie> hajour, probably best to write to the Listname-owner email address
[02:49] <valorie> giving the old account name
[02:49] <hajour> ok thanks valorie
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: blog will be delayed, I had to order a new keyboard w/trackball
[18:35] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: eep! hope all is okay!
[19:12] <fregl> Riddell: I updated qt-at-spi to a slightly less crashy version. there are a few bugs inside qt though that also need to be fixed I fear
[19:13] <Riddell> thanks fregl, I'll update the package when i get a moment


[08:53] <erik_lonroth_> Hello, I'm trying to get started with charm development but the documentation isn't really working. I'm starting here and it fails pretty immediately on me doing "snap install charm"
[08:53] <erik_lonroth_> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/tools-charm-tools
[08:54] <erik_lonroth_> ... which then ends up with "error: snap "charm" requires classic or confinement override


[16:01] <lutostag> o/
[16:02] <lutostag> so looks like Im running things...
[16:02] <gaughen> \o
[16:02] <lutostag> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct  7 16:03:01 2014 UTC.  The chair is lutostag. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <kickinz1> o/
[16:03] <smb> o/
[16:03] <matsubara> o/
[16:03] <arges> o/
[16:03] <lutostag> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <lutostag> Blueprints...
[16:03] <smoser> o/
[16:04] <coreycb> o/
[16:04] <lutostag> everyone was supposed to review blueprint work items before next weeks meeting
[16:04] <rharper> \o
[16:04] <lutostag> so if you havent done that, get to it nowish I guess
[16:04] <lutostag> no other action items from last week
[16:04] <lutostag> #topic Utopic Development
[16:04] <lutostag> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:05] <lutostag> so whats the state of things, are we frozen?
[16:06] <lutostag> Final Freeze is 9 days out
[16:06] <lutostag> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:07] <lutostag> well, before we do that, Im sure someone probably wants to say something about Utopic
[16:07] <lutostag> I know we still have some FTBFS packages, right rbasak? any high importance ones still outstanding?
[16:07] <rbasak> One moment
[16:08] <rbasak> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140914-utopic.html#ubuntu-server
[16:08] <rbasak> jpds: are you still looking at the strongswan one?
[16:08] <jpds> rbasak: Yep.
[16:09] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[16:09] <rbasak> Any help with these would be appreciated.
[16:09] <lutostag> rbasak: thanks, that looks better than I thought it was, do you need more resources or are we on track?
[16:09] <rbasak> I had been leaving them for the virtual sprints.
[16:09] <rbasak> But as we're coming up to final freeze I'll take a look.
[16:10] <lutostag> rbasak: alright, thanks!
[16:10] <jamespage> o/
[16:10] <jamespage> sorry late
[16:10] <lutostag> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:10] <lutostag> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-u-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:10] <lutostag> doesnt look like any High prio ones
[16:11] <lutostag> we've got our juju mirs and some openstacky things
[16:12] <lutostag> anything in that list we need that isnt being activelt pushed? something not there?
[16:12] <lutostag> actively*
[16:13] <lutostag> I guess we seem to be comfortable then.
[16:13] <lutostag> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:13] <lutostag> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/group/topic-u-server.html
[16:13] <lutostag> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-u-server
[16:14] <lutostag> (I just updated servercloud-u-maas moments ago, so that should be doing better)
[16:15] <lutostag> the other ones that look a little low are juno (zul) and curtin (smoser)
[16:15] <lutostag> who dont happen to be here right now
[16:15] <smoser> :)
[16:15] <smoser> i'm here. just quiet.
[16:15] <smoser> i'll llook at curtin.
[16:15] <lutostag> smoser: great, thanks
[16:16] <zul> ditto
[16:16] <lutostag> I guess thats it for Blueprints, get them to the current status and decide what needs to be postponed
[16:16] <zul> not curtin but the other stuff
[16:17] <lutostag> zul: gotcha
[16:17] <lutostag> or if you need more resources, now is the time to pester gaughen
[16:17] <lutostag> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:18] <arges> caribou is out this week btw
[16:18] <lutostag> ah, ok
[16:18] <lutostag> did anyone have anything important from last week to follow up on, if not moving on
[16:19] <lutostag> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:19] <lutostag> psivaa: floor is yours
[16:19] <psivaa> not much to report from us on the iso testing side
[16:19] <psivaa> lutostag: ^ :)
[16:20] <lutostag> so I read that as its going well
[16:20] <lutostag> psivaa: thanks!
[16:20] <psivaa> sure
[16:20] <lutostag> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:20] <smb> I would have nothing to bring up and am not aware of anything pending from our side. Please let me know if there is anything or if there are any questions.
[16:21] <kickinz1> smb, I reported some bugs on bcache, wa may need to speak about them
[16:21] <smb> kickinz1, If you could subswcribe me on them I would find them
[16:21] <kickinz1> ok
[16:21] <arges> kickinz1: is this the same bcache bug we looked at a while ago?
[16:21] <kickinz1> no
[16:22] <arges> ok
[16:22] <kickinz1> if you create a bcache devaice with caching device > backing, kernel crash (machine hangs)
[16:22] <kickinz1> and there is no way to completely destroy a bcache without rebooting.
[16:22] <arges> kickinz1: ok can you post the bug#?
[16:22] <kickinz1> I'll ping you later with the bugs numbers
[16:22] <kickinz1> ok
[16:22] <arges> ok
[16:23] <smb> kickinz1, or send a list to kernel-team mailing list
[16:23] <kickinz1> 1377130, 1377142
[16:23] <smb> that way we all get notified and have a record
[16:23] <kickinz1> ok I'll do
[16:24] <lutostag> great, if nobody has anything else...
[16:24] <arges> kickinz1: also to assist speedy debugging try using latest mainline kernels to help us narrow down the issue. I think joe's bot sends instructions on how to dot hat
[16:24] <arges> and i'm done...
[16:25] <lutostag> :)
[16:25] <lutostag> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:25] <lutostag> so ODS
[16:26] <lutostag> anything else we should be aware of?
[16:26] <lutostag> guess not
[16:26] <lutostag> #topic Open Discussion
[16:27] <lutostag> Anything else?
[16:28] <lutostag> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:28] <lutostag> Tues, Oct 17 same time
[16:28] <lutostag> #endmeeting
[16:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  7 16:28:49 2014 UTC.
[16:28] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-07-16.03.moin.txt
[16:28] <kickinz1> thanks lutostag
[16:28] <lutostag> rharper: you're up next!
[16:29] <rharper> lutostag: yeah, but Ill be out of pocket
[16:29] <gaughen> lutostag, we will need to reorder since rharper will be in Brussels
[16:29] <rharper> yar
[16:29] <rharper> lutostag: also, you might forget to send meeting notes =)
[16:30] <lutostag> and meeting is Oct 14th not 17 -- I cant add 7
[16:30] <rharper> hehe
[16:30] <rharper> lutostag: thanks!
[16:30] <lutostag> ok, zul then! (assuming I remember notes)
[16:31] <zul> oh joy...im going to be sick that day :0
[16:32] <lutostag> thanks everyone!
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct  7 17:00:06 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <ppisati_> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> dammit, just a sec
[17:01] <ogasawara> The Utopic kernel has been rebased to the v3.16.4 upstream stable
[17:01] <ogasawara> kernel.  This is available for testing as of the 3.16.0-21.28 upload to
[17:01] <ogasawara> the archive.  Please test and let us know your results.
[17:01] <ogasawara> Also, Utopic Kernel Freeze is this Thurs Oct 9.  Any patches submitted
[17:01] <ogasawara> after kernel freeze are subject to our Ubuntu kernel SRU policy.  I sent
[17:01] <ogasawara> a friendly reminder about this to the Ubuntu kernel-team mailing list
[17:01] <ogasawara> yesterday as well.
[17:01] <ogasawara> -----
[17:01] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct  9 - Utopic Kernel Freeze (~2 days away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 16 - Utopic Final Freeze (~1 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 23 - Utopic 14.10 Release (~2 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:02] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Sept. 30):
[17:02] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   * Precise - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Testing
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> cycle: 19-Sep through 11-Oct
[17:03] <bjf> [17:03] <bjf>          19-Sep   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:03] <bjf> 21-Sep - 27-Sep   Kernel prep week.
[17:03] <bjf> 28-Sep - 04-Oct   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:03] <bjf> 05-Oct - 08-Oct   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:04] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  7 17:04:18 2014 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-07-17.00.moin.txt
[17:04] <cking> oops, missed the meeting, doh
[17:04] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury


[00:32] <mwhudson> hooray for past me adding autopkgtests to casper
[10:49] <paride> Hi! There is one thing I don't understand about `apt-get instal -t <target> <package>` vs. `apt install <package>/<target> `: the former doesn't prompt me to downgrade the package to the version in <target>, while the latter does. (<target> is in sources.list and offers a lower version than the installed one.)
[10:49] <paride> See: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4CGtcTMTJB/
[10:50] <paride> as asked in the pastebin: where am I wrong?
[10:52] <rbasak> paride: -t is a pin override, whereas / selects the version available from a specific suite?
[10:53] <rbasak> So the behaviour you see makes sense to me
[10:54] <rbasak> The -t gives you a pin priority of 990, but you need 1000 for a downgrade to be permitted
[10:55] <paride> rbasak, thanks, this makes sense. I thought the only mechanism for selecting a version from a specific suite (/target) was bumping the pin-priority for the package, which is basically what -t does
[10:56] <paride> and could still be, maybe with priority >=1000
[11:10] <paride> Well the mechanism isn't clear to me, but I'll accept that <package>/<target> selects only versions from the <target> suite, and so it's stronger than -t
[15:21] <ddstreet> rbasak can you check the git-ubuntu import of systemd? it seems behind by a couple days
[15:22] <rbasak> Hmm. The backlog seems to have exploded.
[15:23] <rbasak> I bumped the priority of systemd for you.
[15:23] <ddstreet> thanks!
[15:23] <rbasak> Not sure why just about every package suddenly appeared in the queue
[15:25] <rbasak> Ah it's because bullseye got "published" according to LP I think.
[15:26] <schopin> hmm? already ?
[15:27] <rbasak> For example the first entry in https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/adwaita-icon-theme/+publishinghistory
[15:27] <rbasak> I don't know what action that corresponds to in Debian
[15:29] <schopin> tracker.d.o doesn't list any recent action on that package.
[15:35] <cjwatson> rbasak,schopin: Ah, this is probably because I recently nagged IS to land https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/lp-production-crontabs/import-bullseye/+merge/370477 after nearly two years
[15:36] <cjwatson> I didn't realize it would affect git-ubuntu or I'd have warned you, sorry
[15:37] <rbasak> No problem. I'm not sure what I could have done anyway. Essentially this means that a refs/heads/debian/bullseye needs adding to every repository, so everything needs touching anyway
[15:38] <rbasak> I have a performance optimisation I need to do to make the importer far more efficient, but that's quite a bit of work I haven't done yet
[15:43] <dbungert> may I get a retest click for evdi, which is currently blocking glibc?  https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=s390x&package=evdi&trigger=glibc/2.33-0ubuntu9
[15:56] <RikMills> dbungert: clicked
[16:05] <dbungert> RikMills: passed, thanks.
[21:24] <teward> ddstreet: for your backports proposal: if you need more for day to day my FT job is starting to die down, not sure if anyone will whine because of my having 'all the hats' but as long as i'm not in the admins/leadership for.  Assuming of course that TB approves (since it might need permissions overhauls...).  Otherwise, I'll just keep an eye :)
[21:24] <teward> (my email server took a crap so I can't email outbound atm)
[21:25] <teward> wow that was a poor sentence
[21:25] <rbasak> I'll write to the thread tomorrow, but FWIW, IMHO this plan doesn't need TB approval as we have unanimous consensus in ubuntu-devel@
[21:26] <teward> rbasak: check.  I meant specifically if there's something special for 'approval' rights that TB has to instruct relevant teams to implement, etc.
[21:26] <teward> assuming nobody objects.
[21:26] <teward> assuming nobody objects, I'm volunteering day to day activities for backports as my FT job is dying down in terms of how busy i'm being kept.
[21:26] <rbasak> I'm not aware of anything. Therefore I intend to seek forgiveness rather than permission here, and JFDI.
[21:26] <teward> (Tis what I was trying to say before xD)
[21:26] <teward> yep
[21:27] <rbasak> I've asked ScottK to tranfer ownership to ~techboard, but I haven't been able to reach him.
[21:28] <rbasak> I'll give him some time longer, and then ask Launchpad admins to make the change. Everyone involved knows the background here and I believe it's completely non-controversial and that nobody would object, including ScottK.
[21:28] <rbasak> Once owned by ~techboard I intend just to make the changes agreed.
[21:28] <rbasak> So JFDIng it all the way through.
[21:28] <rbasak> If somebody want to object, then please reply to the thread, and I'll then ask the TB who I'm sure will just say yes anyway :)
[21:36] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: Do you know if there is any reason to believe bug 1912385 isn't fixed?
[21:36] <teward> rbasak: yep.  I only save "ask for permission first" if something I'm touching has the major major risk of blowing everything up (like apparmor xD)
[21:37] <bdmurray> dbungert: Do you happen to know if bug 1914075 is really fixed?
[21:37] <bdmurray> teward: "major major"?
[21:38] <teward> sue me i'm on the tail end of a long day
[21:38] <teward> bdmurray: i avoid kernel like the plague, but something owned by Security (apparmor) I don't touch unless i have to :P
[21:38] <teward> and spotcheck along the way
[21:38] <teward> yes 'major major' is the equivalent of "Basically if this breaks everything else breaks" :)
[21:39] <bdmurray> then what is major risk?
[21:42] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: I believe that's fixed but I actually have a focal CM4 booted at the moment so I can double check
[21:44] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: that'd be helpful thanks!
[21:56] <jawn-smith> bdmurray that bug does not seem to be affecting my CM4. Per the latest comment by juergh I think the original bug was caused by the user installing an unofficial version of pi-bluetooth
[21:56] <jawn-smith> but I can confirm that with pi-bluetooth 0.1.15ubuntu0~20.04.1 installed my wifi device is still detected
[21:57] <jawn-smith> ah read it a little more closely, the second user's bug was the weird pi-bluetooth version. So yes I can confirm the original bug is fixed
[21:57] <bdmurray> Okay, feel free to comment and set it to Fix Released.
[21:58] <jawn-smith> done!
[22:06] <dbungert> bdmurray: re 1914075, not sure
[22:19] <bdmurray> dbungert: Okay, I'll punt it down to 20.04.3 and discuss it with "people"


[18:49] <ryoohki> with chkconfig i can do "chkconfig service off" and the service won't start( presumably); how does upstart do that from the cli?
[19:00] <marrusl> ryoohki, there really isn't an equivalent tool at this time, take a look at this:
[19:00] <marrusl> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting


[08:18] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <Kilos> morning dholbach  and others
[08:44] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[21:42] <sugetha> Hi. I am new to Ubuntu dev and I am working on the project harvest. I was wondering what version of django I need to use? Any help is appreciated. Thank you.


[10:45] <ebel> Hi all, myself and slashbel will be having a goign away drinks in Bull& Castle from 7pm today.
[10:45] <ebel> Twould be great to see ye