[00:00] <mohammadetakie> Why Obama is not good?
[00:00] <mohammadetakie> We love him a lot in Syria for Obama
[00:01] <mohammadetakie> guilherme Hello
[00:01] <guilherme> Hey
[00:01] <calcmandan> Well I don't like him. But then it's easier to like a leader who isn't your own.
[00:02] <guilherme> What you are doing?
[00:03] <mohammadetakie> What do you do now?I came here through a system of Ubuntu I do not know What is this Hahaha
[00:04] <mohammadetakie> Enough about the President of pride that you represent you and has a strong personality and the impact and influence
[00:05] <mohammadetakie> I am sitting in my computer maintenance and you what do you do? guilherme
[00:06] <guilherme> I am trying to fix my sever
[00:08] <mohammadetakie> Otabna many Ubuntu system what to do to take a backup?
[00:09] <mohammadetakie> guilherme From any country are you from?
[00:10] <mohammadetakie> sythe Hello
[00:10] <mohammadetakie> B|tchX Hello
[00:11] <mohammadetakie> ronnoc_ A beautiful name
[00:13] <mohammadetakie> mendred Hello
[00:14] <mendred> Hullo mohammadetakie
[00:15] <mohammadetakie> Welcome to
[00:15] <mohammadetakie> mendred  Miss you
[00:22] <mohammadetakie> Hello all
[00:24] <mohammadetakie> lethu Hello
[00:25] <mohammadetakie> Where can I find the Arab Chat
[00:25] <mohammadetakie> How do I save my god I have a room
[00:25] <BarkingFish> !arabic | mohammadetakie
[00:26] <mohammadetakie> BarkingFish Yes I am an Arab
[00:27] <mohammadetakie> BarkingFish Where are you from
[00:27] <BarkingFish> i kinda guessed, since you were asking for arabic chat :) we do support here though, your best bet is to ask that channel whether they have an offtopic for chat.
[00:27] <BarkingFish> UK, mohammadetakie
[00:28] <Pici> there is also ##arabic
[00:28] <mohammadetakie> Thank you very much
[00:29] <BarkingFish> cheers Pici - i forgot about that :)
[00:30] <mohammadetakie> Commanded you how wonderful you understand your language?
[00:30] <mohammadetakie> Repeatedly tried to save the English language, but very difficult
[00:31] <mohammadetakie> Now Google will translate well
[00:32] <mohammadetakie> Something very beautiful Thank you Google
[00:34] <mohammadetakie> #ubuntu-arabic
[00:51]  * szal wonders whether we will also get a Qt update come KDE 4.7.3
[00:52] <SIR_Taco> fixed an odd Nepomuk annoyance... finally... not sure how it came about, but seems the package got missed
[01:02] <SIR_Taco> if anyone gets the error message "calling the nepomuk storage service failed: The name org.kde.NepomukStorage was not provided by any .service files"... install virtuoso-nepomuk (sudo apt-get install virtuoso-nepomuk    or by your favourite installer)
[01:08] <szal> SIR_Taco: KMail still fails to fetch the resource collection on startup
[01:09] <SIR_Taco> szal: is that from the "message indicater"?
[01:11] <szal> SIR_Taco: no, it's an error msg popping up on top of the KMail window
[01:14] <SIR_Taco> szal: I do believe that the KDE PIM package that should handle that is still in limbo... if I remember correctly you can get a beta PIM which will deal with it, but I don't know if I'd recommend it
[01:18] <SIR_Taco> I've been known to be wrong on occassion though... :)
[01:22] <SIR_Taco> szal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdepim/+bug/857828/comments/2
[01:23] <SIR_Taco> aaawww thanks ubottu haha
[01:25] <szal> SIR_Taco: thx
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> no problem
[01:31] <BarkingFish> right, that's my lot for tonight, I'm away to my bed.
[01:32] <BarkingFish> oops wrong channel, sorry
[01:32] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish:  we'll forgive you... I guess
[02:00] <SIR_Taco> szal: did that work for you?
[02:00] <MarcWeber> I've installed kubuntu on a notebook. Dragon says it needs additional modules to play DVD movies. However the progress bar just hangs. Is there a log file I can have a look at?
[02:02] <szal> SIR_Taco: haven't tried yet..  too late for that now ^^
[02:03] <SIR_Taco> szal: not a problem
[02:04] <SIR_Taco> MarcWeber: do you have the "libdvdread4" package installed?
[02:04] <kingdaniel> Best inifinte loop: for (;;) { }, while(1), while(true) ?
[02:05] <SIR_Taco> and "libdvdnav4" and "libdvdcss2" ?
[02:05] <kingdaniel> nested gotos ?
[02:05] <SIR_Taco> kingdaniel: and?
[02:05] <kingdaniel> Just for fun.
[02:06] <SIR_Taco> kingdaniel: it's not particularly helping out MarcWeber though is it?
[02:06] <MarcWeber> SIR_Taco: y. It asking for dvdspu and rsndvdbin which can't be found by apt-get install either
[02:06] <kingdaniel> I just connected, I'm sorry if I am disrupting legitimate help.
[02:07] <kingdaniel> Oops, wrong ch!
[02:08] <SIR_Taco> MarcWeber: no they can't... which DVD are you trying to play?
[02:09] <MarcWeber> bought movie dvd. But can't play it on my other linux system either. So I should try a different dvd.
[02:09] <SIR_Taco> MarcWeber: seems odd... do other DVDs work?
[02:10] <mohammadetakie> Hevckm Hevckm with Taatthdtho on a Linux system
[02:13] <mohammadetakie> Turn it on an excellent program for Films DVD = smplayer
[02:13] <mohammadetakie> What is the name of the program are you using?
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: all the Linux video players depend on the same video decoding when it some to DVDs
[02:17] <mohammadetakie> أرى أن أفضل برنامج لقرائة الفيديو هذا البرنامج  smplayer
[02:17] <mohammadetakie>  I think that the best program for video playback of the program smplayer
[02:18] <mohammadetakie> I have trouble taking a backup of the system Ubuntu Can one help me? Please
[02:19] <mohammadetakie> When your computer systems will become intelligent? We will keep you spend more of our time in the maintenance of computer software?
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: أرى أن أفضل برنامج لقرائة الفيديو هذا البرنامج  ... I do not understand Aribic
[02:20] <mohammadetakie> SIR_Taco  I think that the best program for video playback of the program smplayer
[02:21] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: okay
[02:21] <mohammadetakie> When you type in Google, instead of copying Arabic translation copied Hahaha
[02:22] <SIR_Taco> ok
 Where are you from?
[02:22] <SIR_Taco> Canada
[02:23] <mohammadetakie>  <SIR_Taco> Welcome to my brother
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> "welcome to my brother" doesn't make grammatical sense
[02:25] <mohammadetakie> Welcome we have several meanings, but when Google translation shows us only one
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> ok, thank you
[02:26] <SIR_Taco> instead of "welcome to my brother" you could say "welcome friend"
[02:27] <mohammadetakie> Hsu error = translation of the word I do not mastered the English language = rely on Google Translate
[02:28] <mohammadetakie> Error is a poor translation of the word = I do not mastered the English language = rely on Google Translate
 Do you have good experience running Ubuntu?
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> I have a very good experience running Ubuntu Server and Kubuntu as a Desktop
[02:32] <mohammadetakie> I suffer greatly from the creation of a system and install Ubuntu again = tried to take back up I could not
[02:34] <mohammadetakie> Ghost 4 Linux = Can not take a copy of the disk I do not know why
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> I haven't tried using Ghost for a linux partition, but there are alternatives to ghost
[02:35] <mohammadetakie> Partition Image = Can not take a copy of the disk I do not know why
[02:36] <mohammadetakie> Please help me
[02:37] <mohammadetakie> Is there a program better?
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie:  http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ is the best I've found, others may disagree
[02:40] <Unit193> CloneZilla has worked fine for me before
[02:42] <spacebug-> Why am I getting these 'holes' in my taskbar? http://spacebug.se/filer/desktop2.png
[02:43] <mohammadetakie> سوف أقرأ الموقع بشكل جيد
[02:43] <mohammadetakie> I will read the site well
[02:43] <SIR_Taco> spacebug-: it wouldn't have happend to be a Chromium window you closed?
[02:44] <spacebug-> SIR_Taco: no
 Albrabott online is it to take the program back up?
[02:45] <SIR_Taco> spacebug-: I've only had that happen once, and it was a Chromium window...
[02:45] <spacebug-> SIR_Taco: it could be a window from audacious though. When adding lots of files I get a small windows with info "Lseek failed.."
[02:46] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: not sure what you mean
 I am very happy with your knowledge
 I do not know how I can thank you
[02:48] <Quintasan> Hmm
[02:48] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: that is thanks enough
[02:48] <Quintasan> ubottu: ar!
[02:49] <Quintasan> ubottu: !ar
[02:49] <mohammadetakie> Unfortunately we still suffer from a lack of information about the Ubuntu applications and programs in the Arab Web sites
 Thank you also
[02:51] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: Where are you from?
[02:52] <mohammadetakie> I am from Syria
 And you?
[02:54] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: Please try asking in #ubuntu-tr
[02:54] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: I am from Poland
[02:55] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: They could possibly help you
[02:55] <mohammadetakie> Unfortunately does not have rooms by the Arab
[02:56] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: #ubuntu-sa is Saudi Arabia support, is that okay?
[02:56] <mohammadetakie> All sleeping rooms within the Arab
[02:58] <mohammadetakie> Hahahaha asleep inside the room.
[02:58] <mohammadetakie> Do you want to go from here?
[02:59] <Quintasan> spacebug-: This is a known regression
[02:59] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: room == channel
[02:59] <Quintasan> spacebug-: Soon we will have KDE 4.7.3 uploaded which will fix this bug
[02:59] <spacebug-> Quintasan: great! ;)
[02:59] <Quintasan> SIR_Taco: Please stop, he is using google translate
[03:00] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: We are not really able to help you, could you try in the Arabian support channel later?
[03:00] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage#arabic
[03:01] <SIR_Taco> Quintasan: so... we shouldn't try to help him/her?
I thank you really helped me a lot Bakd
[03:03] <mohammadetakie> You are guests here, or the owners of the room?
[03:03] <mohammadetakie> I think you are the owners of rum? Do I think this is true?
[03:04] <Quintasan> SIR_Taco: Can you understand what on Earth he want? Do you think he will understand our explanations using google translate?
[03:04] <ubuntu> test
[03:04] <Quintasan> ubuntu works
[03:06] <Quintasan> SIR_Taco: People speaking Arabian should be able to help him
 I am very sorry and I thank your help
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> Quintasan: I agree... but if they can't?
[03:07] <Quintasan> mohammadetakie: You are welcome
[03:07] <Quintasan> SIR_Taco: I can't belive that
[03:07] <SIR_Taco> Quintasan: ok
[03:09] <mohammadetakie> You are really good at your work
[03:10] <ubuntu> I got a error with ubuntu software center. When searched in the ubuntu forum, i found someone got the same error with me. Here is the topic link.
[03:10] <ubuntu> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=321457&p=2536949#p2536949
[03:10] <ubuntu> I hope someone could resovle the problem.
[03:14] <ubuntu> :list
[03:14] <ubuntu> :/list
[03:16] <mohammadetakie> Oh my God, What is this program? Is this for a chat or to support and system maintenance Ubuntu?
[03:16] <mohammadetakie> I've never seen such a patchwork of the search for solutions and services
[03:18] <SIR_Taco> It's a place for help
[03:19] <mohammadetakie> I did not know this = you think it is fun to chat and really = It's very cool
[03:20] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: did not understand what you just said
[03:20] <mohammadetakie> I am very very happy to recognize this service
 Not the service of Arab Chambers of no? Who is responsible for that?
[03:24] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: whoever is in the Arab kubuntu channel
[03:25] <mohammadetakie> I talk to them but no one answers?
[03:26] <SIR_Taco> mohammadetakie: they could be sleeping... or they might be working or busy
[03:27] <Unit193> You may have to wait a while, but it will work out better as they can talk to you much better than Google ;)
[03:27] <mohammadetakie> Perhaps
[03:28] <mohammadetakie> Ok I will wait
[03:30] <mohammadetakie> I am very happy to talk to you
[03:34] <bbeck> Does anyone find the Ubuntu font nice?  I find it a bit too trekkie for my taste.
[03:46] <EvilResistance> bbeck:  i'm a trekkie ;P
[03:46] <EvilResistance> you've hereby failed
[03:47] <bbeck> lol, I am too.
[03:47] <EvilResistance> bbeck:  except that you've failed to mention that, therefore I win :P
[03:49] <bbeck> Ah, gotcha.  HBO played movies 4, 5, and 6 a couple nights ago.  I can't ever get over 5, what was Shatner thinking!?
[03:49] <SIR_Taco> oh no.... here we go
[03:50] <bbeck> That's a safe statement.  I'm nearly positive no one disagrees with me on that.
[03:50] <EvilResistance> i forget what 5 was :P
[03:50] <EvilResistance> but
[03:50] <EvilResistance> fwiw
[03:50] <EvilResistance> !offtopci
[03:51] <EvilResistance> !offtopic
  God help you
[03:51] <EvilResistance> GOD HELP US ALL  *pulls out an antimatter grenade*
[03:51] <EvilResistance> *click*
[03:52] <EvilResistance> *BOOM!!!*
[03:53] <SIR_Taco> I'm going to bed... good luck with that
[03:53]  * EvilResistance goes back to the coding he's working on
[03:55] <mohammadetakie> EvilResistance Do you work here or help?
[03:55] <bbeck> I've switched over to lightdm, and now I can't reboot from KDE anymore.  Is this just the way it is, or is there something I can do to fix it?
[03:55] <EvilResistance> mohammadetakie:  depends, whatcha need?
[03:56] <mohammadetakie> I do not want to help just a question
[04:00] <EvilResistance> mohammadetakie:  none of us are actual workers
[04:01] <EvilResistance> mohammadetakie:  we are all volunteers here
[04:01] <EvilResistance> mohammadetakie:  whats your question
[04:03] <mohammadetakie> How can I give your help?
[04:04] <mohammadetakie> I want to offer service in my language Arabic
[04:06] <mohammadetakie> But unfortunately there is no one within the Arab Chambers
[06:31] <jerinian> hi guys! im new in kubuntu, how do i install firefox?
[06:31] <jerinian> in the terminal
[06:32] <jerinian> i have trouble installing it, i click on firefox on launcher and it ask me to install but there is an error http://paste.kde.org/141512/
[06:44] <bigbrovar> .
[06:47] <Ripp__> Hello.
[06:48] <Ripp__> How do I add a program to my Start menu? It is a command line program I want run. I tried kmenueditor on Kubuntu 11.10, but it didn't work.
[06:48] <Ripp__> Any suggestions?
[06:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Ripp__: what happened?
[06:55] <Ripp__> It never updated.
[06:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Ripp__: what is the program that you added?
[06:56] <Ripp__> Something called 'redcar'
[06:57] <Ripp__> And it just didn't show up
[06:57] <Ripp__> So if anyone has suggestions for a better way to do this, let me know
[06:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Ripp__: does the program run in terminal?
[06:58] <Ripp__> Nope, it is GUI
[06:58] <Ripp__> I can also get it by right-clicking the "K" on the bottom left
[06:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Ripp__: no i mean does the program start when you run from the terminal?
[06:59] <Ripp__> Yes
[07:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Ripp__: is it a command line program or a gui?
[07:10] <Ripp__> Alright, it shows up but isnt running
[07:10] <Ripp__> Perhaps need to run in terminal
[07:13] <artur__> Hi all, I got a problem launching Skype under KDE
[07:14] <artur__> Get an error message "KDEInit could not launch Skype"
[07:14] <artur__> 64-bit Kubuntu 11.10, all updated
[07:14] <artur__> Skype used to work OK (as well as Kopete) until an update broke it
[07:15] <artur__> I tried purging and then reinstalling the package downloaded from www.skype.com, to no avail. Anyone encountered this kind of problem? Ideas?
[07:16] <Ripp__> phoenix_bird: All systems go. I had to make the command "source .bashrc; redcar" before it worked. I guess commands run from the menu don't necessarily read bashrc first (which makes sense I guess, since not everyone uses bash)
[07:36] <Wais> hi everyone
[07:40] <Wais> how to attend FOSS.in
[07:41] <Wais> anyone tell me how to attend foss.in
[07:42] <Wais> i see sechedules only for 2010
[07:43] <Wais> i dont see any activity in the chat groupe
[07:43] <afief> Can we please make this the default behavior in Kubuntu 12.04? http://oxygenkde.altervista.org/exceptionsguide.html
[08:52] <john32> hi i can't seem to get this to work in oneric https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/ConfigureIndicators
[08:52] <john32> quassel, pidgin, thunderbird work just fine
[08:58] <john32> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97482
[08:58] <john32> maybe it's a bug
[08:58] <john32> this person has found exactly the same issue
[08:59] <john32> also i don't see "Use Message Indicator" anymore
[08:59] <john32> in accounts
[09:02] <john32> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96164 so annoying cos i know it works for other people
[09:02] <john32> the only thing i see in there is "Detailed new mail notification"
[09:02] <john32> and its checked
[09:08] <john32> ive got a suspicion this is broken
[09:08] <john32> get_sux - October 16, 2011 - 19:12
[09:08] <john32> Изображение пользователя get_sux.
[09:08] <john32> How to make friends kontact c indicator messages? In previous versions it was necessary to poke a checkbox in use message indicator, is nowhere to poke. Figured someone? Or there is now something all over akonadi tortured?
[09:08] <john32> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://kubuntu.ru/node/8723%3Fpage%3D1&ei=4FmyTuajEaPKmAWAuOG-Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwhere%2Bis%2B%2522Use%2BMessage%2BIndicator%2522%2Bkde%2B4.7.2%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1480%26bih%3D1396%26prmd%3Dimvns
[09:08] <john32> based on that comment in russian
[09:09] <john32> poke/click i assume translator screwed that word up
[09:10] <john32> if someone else on kubuntu could verify whether this works or not
[09:10] <john32> i'd open a bug on it
[09:38] <john32> looks like it's a fault so i've reported it https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/885594
[10:28] <drbobb> hello, in oneiric, is there something wrong with mounting ntfs partitions at boot?
[10:28] <Tm_T> drbobb: not that I know
[10:28] <drbobb> on my pc, attempting to do so blocks the boot process
[10:29] <drbobb> if I mount manually later, everything works fine
[10:30] <drbobb> I discovered, though not easily, that booting stops with messages to the effect that disaster has struck, the ntfs filesystem is kaput
[10:30] <drbobb> but when I fsck it under windows, no problems are found
[10:36] <jeri> hi guys!
[10:36] <jeri> im new in kubuntu, i want to know what are the things i need to do after a fresh install?
[10:38] <Graf_Westerholt> eury, enjoying Kubuntu. ;)
[10:39] <jerinian> Graf_Westerholt: hi there
[10:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi, jerinian.
[10:39] <jerinian> im new in kubuntu, and i need some help.
[10:40] <Graf_Westerholt> How can we help you?
[10:40] <jerinian> i want to know what are the things i need to do after a fresh install?
[10:40] <Graf_Westerholt> Nothing. :)
[10:40] <jerinian> do i update the kernel? or repositories?
[10:40] <Graf_Westerholt> No, it is all up to date.
[10:41] <jerinian> wow really?
[10:41] <Graf_Westerholt> Of course.
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> no you need to update the repos
[10:41] <jerinian> so how come i cant see amdcccle in the package manager?
[10:41] <Graf_Westerholt> If there are some updates, Kubuntu will inform you.
[10:41] <jerinian> i have 133 updates im using 11.04
[10:42] <jerinian> im currently downloading firefox, i though it was pre-installed.
[10:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Why do you use the old 11.04?
[10:43] <jerinian> %C04 Gra_Westerholt, well_laid_lawn: how do i install amdcccle?
[10:43] <jerinian> 11.04 is already old?
[10:44] <jerinian> i just download it yesterday hehe
[10:44] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes, 11.10 is out.
[10:44] <Graf_Westerholt> watch the topic here.
[10:44] <jerinian> wanna try 11.04 before going to 10 :)
[10:44] <well_laid_lawn> try the restricted driver
[10:44] <well_laid_lawn> !ati
[10:45] <jerinian> ok thanks
[10:45] <Graf_Westerholt> You do not have to download Firefox manually, jerinian. Normaly it is all done with the package manager.
[10:45] <Graf_Westerholt> amdcccle is in the Muon Package Manager.
[10:46] <jerinian> i dont know but when i click on firefox on the launcher it ask me to install it and i did click it ask for my password and then it started downloading.
[10:46] <Graf_Westerholt> That is ok.
[10:46] <jerinian> this is the first time ive heard Muon Package manager.
[10:47] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[10:47] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not know if Muon is allready in 11.04.
[10:48] <yofel> in the archive, yes. But kpackagekit is default in 11.04
[10:48] <jerinian> yes its kpackagekit
[10:49] <jerinian> u know i  just tried sabayon7 kde and fedora15 gnome, i found gnome3 hard to customize, kde is insane unlimted customization ;)
[10:50] <jerinian> fedora is kinda not for newbie, sabayon is pretty ok ;)
[10:52] <jerinian> ati drivers is different from amdcccle?
[10:59] <mudassar> hello kubuntu people, I have some problem, plz help me
[11:04] <mudassar> I am using Kubuntu 11.04, when it boots and displays the desktop, it goes halted for a minute or so (i don't know the reason) that is very unpleasant, I think it may be due to desktop effects, it was not causing in 10.10. I loved this kubuntu but this problem disturbs me alot. plz help.
[11:19] <martin__> mudassar: are you using a wireless network?
[11:45] <MarcWeber> When checking "enable wireless" the checking state goes away within one second. However ifconfig wlan0 up  and iwlist scan seems to work ?
[11:45] <MarcWeber> Any idea?
[11:51] <mudassar> martin__: yes, at home I use wireless ..... but at university I use wired network ....... but at that time the wireless network is also switched on ...... should I switch it off at that time ?
[11:51] <mudassar> but it happens when I use wireless network (that I mostly use) but what to do in that case ?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:51] <jeri> ive click the activate button for proprietary drivers for ati, does it take long? i have slow connection but i think it still taking long,  how big is the filesize could be?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> jeri, it also has to install as well, how long is it taking ?
[12:56] <jeri> BluesKaj: i think it's almost 1hr now.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> jeri, does the progress bar on the installer show anything ?
[12:58] <jeri> no, just the percetage it's 41%
[12:59] <jeri> BluesKaj: geez ive double click on the title bar icon, and the dialog box disappeared, i wonder where it went?
[13:02] <jeri> BluesKaj: i cant see the dialog box for the progress of ati driver downloading.
[13:05] <eean> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/librpm1 how do I get this in ocelot?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> !librpm1
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !info librpm1
[13:21] <ringlej> I've now had this happen twice on me... When I move the mouse cursor to my external monitor, the cursor looks like a large dotted I-beam. But looks fine as a normal mouse arrow pointer when moved to the laptop screen.
[13:22] <Tech-1> BluesKaj- what happens is when it plays fine, it fast forwards fine, then some times the audio moves but the video stays in place..im pretty stuck here.
[13:22] <ringlej> I've tried disabling and re-enabling the external monitor, but that doesn't help
[13:22] <ringlej> Last time a reboot is what I did to fix it
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Tech-1, that could be a buffering/download rate thing ... dunno for sure
[13:25] <Tech-1> na, i put flash aid in firefox, and ran the script, it installed adobe beta, it didn't like it so i put it back, thats when things started
[13:26] <Tech-1> i read the script, and reversed it and re installed normal flash, it now works, but i sometimes have the symptoms described.
[13:29] <Tech-1> its like some videos are embedded with something that it only allows certain types of flash to work..like i'm missing a certain file embedding.
[13:30] <Tech-1> is there an html-5 file i'm missing maybe ?
[13:33] <kbroulik> which version of Apper is available in the oneiric repos?
[13:33] <kbroulik> aka KPackageKit
[14:10] <ahox> Hi, I have problems running skype on 11.10 64bit. It can not find the libXss.so.1, any ideas?
[14:11] <ahox> I installed the 64bit package from skype.com, but file tells me that it is a 32bit executable - the libXss is a 64bit lib, so I guess that's the problem
[14:11] <ahox> Is there a real 64bit skype?
[14:13] <genii-around> ahox: Unfortunately not.
[14:13] <ahox> or any other ideas how to run skype on a 64bit system?
[14:14] <ahox> I do have the ia32-libs but I can not find the Xss-32 version
[14:17] <genii-around> ahox: You can specify the architecture of which package to install by appending :arch-type    to apt-get commands, like:    sudo apt-get install something:I386
[14:19] <genii-around> In this case the packagename would be libxss1
[14:27] <ahox> I installed it now and several other 32bit libs, however I get stuck at the libqtgui4:i386 package. It wants to remove  about 90 other packages due to a conflict with mysql... Isn't there some simpler solution to install skype on a 64bit ubuntu?
[14:35] <genii-around> ahox: Did you upgrade to 11.04 or was it a clean install?
[14:36] <ahox> I upgraded from 11.04
[14:36] <genii-around> ahox: Can you pastebin the list it wants to remove?
[14:38] <ahox> sure, I put it under http://paste.kde.org/141956/
[14:44] <TheLastProject> ... My Kubuntu suddenly turned itself into a wannabe Unity 3D/GNOME clone with a Windows 95 theme...
[14:45] <ahox> TheLastProject: Did you install ubuntu-desktop or any other -desktop package?
[14:45] <TheLastProject> ahox: No, the last thing I did before rebooting was...
[14:45] <TheLastProject> Oh crap...
[14:45] <TheLastProject> I know what happened...
[14:47] <TheLastProject> I thought installing "gnome-control-center" would maybe make Rhythmbox no longer look like Windows 95 (seeing as it uses GTK). Seemed a logical explanation since it was listed as an "addon" in Muon software center
[14:47] <TheLastProject> I am wondering, can I just uninstall it again without any problems or? =/
[14:49] <ahox> this shouldn't be a problem at all
[14:49] <ahox> if you want to select another gtk theme you can use gtk-theme-switch
[14:50] <TheLastProject> ahox: gtk-theme-switch won't work, KDE doesn't seem to have the latest GTK support yet =/
[14:50] <TheLastProject> Well, let's hope everything will be normal again on reboot
[14:51] <ahox> rythmbox is not a kde app, is it?
[14:54] <genii-around> ahox: I would suggest create /etc/apt/apt.conf   and in there a line of: APT::Architectures { "amd64"; "i386"; };
[14:54] <TheLastProject> Grrrrrr, it broke my notification system
[14:55] <TheLastProject> That's it, I'm filing a bug report >=O
[14:55] <genii-around> ahox: Also try with apt-get, synaptic has issues with multiarch
[14:57] <genii-around> aptitude, rather :)   .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768
[15:03] <ahox> genii-around, apt-get did the trick, thanks
[15:03] <genii-around> ahox: Does skype function now?
[15:03] <ahox> yes
[15:03] <genii-around> Good :)
[15:04] <ahox> so is apt-get the official tool now?
[15:05] <genii-around> I don't know about "official" ... but it seems to work the most reliably for command-line
[15:20] <Tm_T> hi all
[15:25] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T
[15:31] <[Relic]> is there a llst of 11.10 defective programs somewhere or those having potential problems?
[15:35] <Tm_T> [Relic]: what do you mean by defective programs?
[15:37] <[Relic]> those with bugs or problems atm
[15:37] <[Relic]> trying to figure out what krename just flat out segfaults here
[15:40] <Tm_T> !bug
[15:40] <Tm_T> hmm
[15:41] <Tm_T> we have bug tracker(s)
[15:41] <Tm_T> [Relic]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename
[15:44] <koch> how to change boot picture on kubuntu
[15:44] <koch> ??
[15:45] <[Relic]> my problem is I always go to the kubuntu site when I see anything with k in its name and then can't find the bug trackers there at all
[15:53] <koch> ??
[15:54] <Peace-> mmm
[15:54] <Peace-> wait
[15:58] <Peace-> koch: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes
[15:58] <Peace-> koch: in that folder there is horos for example
[15:58] <Peace-> you can just replace the desktop picture
[16:01] <koch> thanks peace
[16:02] <Peace-> koch: here instead there is the plymouth /lib/plymouth/themes/
[16:02] <Peace-> that is the screenbefore the kdm
[16:02] <koch> ok
[16:03] <Peace-> if you search on system setting kdm theme is very easy to be changed
[16:03] <Peace-> instead plymouth is a bit harder i guess
[16:04] <koch> in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm 	 change the  files ""kdelogo.png" ??
[16:07] <Peace-> koch: sorry my bad that is kdm theme
[16:08] <Peace-> koch: i guess you want create your own plymouth theme
[16:08] <koch> ok
[16:08] <koch> show me, how
[16:08] <Peace-> but you need to explain better
[16:09] <Peace-> can you link me a picture of the screen you want change?
[16:09] <koch> ok
[16:14] <BluesKaj> Peace-, , "my bad" is bad grammar , and it's not a real expression ..it's just some dumb thing dreamed up by so called "cool dudes in the ghetto" .I don't think it's cool at all , it's dumbing down the english language for the uneducated
[16:18] <BluesKaj> BBL..
[16:19] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :(
[16:20] <Peace-> :) ty
[17:48] <ishaan> can anybody help me in fixing the sources list
[17:50] <ishaan> hello??
[17:50] <rork> ishaan: I think so if you share your exact problem with it and maybe upload your sources.list through !pastebin
[17:50] <ishaan> guide me...im new here..
[17:51] <rork> what is the issue with your sources.list?
[17:51] <ishaan> failed to fetch a lot of files..
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcups2_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcupscgi1_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcupsdriver1_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcupsimage2_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcupsmime1_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcupsppdc1_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata-java_2011l-0ubuntu0.11.10_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2011l-0ubuntu0.11.10_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/cups-common_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/cups-bsd_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <ishaan> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/cups-client_1.5.0-8ubuntu3_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:52] <sluckxz> wow
[17:52] <jussi> ishaan: use pastebin please
[17:53] <pangolin> ishaan: Please use paste.ubuntu.com for stuff like that
[17:55] <rork> ishaan: I think the list with packages you use it too old, can you update apt (e.g. `sudo apt-get update` or update through your package manager)?
[17:56] <TheLastProject> I installed gnome-control-center by accident and some error messages are still being rendered in a GTK interface even though they were rendered in a Qt interface before. I choose "KDE Plasma Workspace" when logging in. Is there anything I can do against this? I want my normal complete-Qt style desktop back again =/
[17:56] <ishaan> @rock i have done that and i have updated that also using dist-upgrade
[17:56] <ishaan> thats when i got the errors..
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: are you using any gtk apps?
[17:58] <TheLastProject> As far as I'm aware not anymore, I do have Rhythmbox installed but am planning to remove it
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: using chromium?
[17:59] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Not using, but installed as well. Will uninstall then.
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: you can easily uninstall all the gtk, i will tell you  wait
[18:00] <TheLastProject> (Hmmm, Desura may be GTK, not sure...)
[18:00] <Shadow__> rock??
[18:01] <rork> !pastbinit | Shadow__
[18:02] <rork> !pastebinit | Shadow__
[18:02] <ishaan> !pastbinit | Ishaan
[18:02] <ishaan> !pastbinit | ishaan
[18:03] <rork> ishaan: you can use `pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list` or open the file in a text editor and paste it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:04] <ishaan> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:04] <rork> ishaan: you have to do that in a terminal, not in IRC
[18:05] <ishaan> oops..
[18:05] <sammy91> bash
[18:05] <rork> ishaan: and pastebinit is not installed by default, the manual way might be easier
[18:06] <ishaan> done..
[18:06] <ishaan> should i give u the link??
[18:06] <rork> ishaan: yes
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> the following are some of the apps will be uninstalled when removing gtk completly firefox, flashplayer-installer, libree office, nvidia-settings and i dont know why but digikam too
[18:06] <ishaan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/727453/
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: the following are some of the apps will be uninstalled when removing gtk completly firefox, flashplayer-installer, libree office, nvidia-settings and i dont know why but digikam too
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject:  if thats okmtell me
[18:07] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Ouch... I need 3 off those, guess that's a no-go then =/
[18:07] <TheLastProject> *of
[18:07] <ishaan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/727455/
[18:07] <ishaan> and this too rock
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: you can install them after the cleanup if you want
[18:07] <Guest73311> hello
[18:07] <ishaan> !rock
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel_: what part of digikam dependens on gtk?
[18:09] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Removing GTK completely does not destroy the compatibility with programs like firefox or so?
[18:09] <rork> ishaan: which version of kubuntu are you using? (it's a bit strange that you have the oneiric and maverick repositories listed)
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject:  what do you mean by compatablity?
[18:09] <rork> ishaan: my name is not rock btw but Rork and I'm still watching this channel
[18:09] <ishaan> upgraded to 11.10 from 11.04
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: what do you mean by compatibility?
[18:09] <ishaan> sorry...
[18:10] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Issues running/installing GTK software of any kind pretty much
[18:10] <ishaan> how are u able to highlight ur comment??
[18:11] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: i dont know
[18:11] <rork> ishaan: can you comment out (put a #) in front of every line that has "maverick" in it? After that update again. To edit the file you need root access, either use `sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list` or `kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list`
[18:12] <rork> ishaan: I highlight you by typing your name in a message
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: i think it shouldnt create a problem
[18:12] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Hmmm, well, I guess I could always reinstall the necessary GNOME packages if I would need to o,o Well, tell me what to do o,o
[18:12] <ishaan> rork: i use sudo su and then open the things
[18:13] <skomorokh> Trying to get hibernate working on a new oneiric install. I'm missing a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file that seems to be mentioned in a lot of forum threads on fixin this... did this move? I can't find it when searching packages.ubuntu.com for the file.
[18:14] <ishaan> rork it remains the same
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> simply remove the package libgtk2.0-common and all the gtk related stuff will be removed with that
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: simply remove the package libgtk2.0-common and all the gtk related stuff will be removed with that
[18:14] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Oh, that's easy. Thank you!
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: the 3 softs thats makes me keep gtk are chromium, flash and libreoffice
[18:16] <rork> ishaan: what command/software did you use to update?
[18:16] <TheLastProject> phoenix_firebrd: Oh wow, I'm losing a lot of software, also Audacity and OpenShot and so o-o
[18:16] <TheLastProject> Noes Pinta D:
[18:17] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: ya those are gtk
[18:17] <TheLastProject> Crap, Thunderbird... Please tell me I won't lose all my settings and so...
[18:17] <ishaan> rock : sudo apt-fast update && sudo apt-fast dist-upgrade
[18:17] <ishaan> sorry..rork
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: as long as you are not purging, the settings will be kept and also the install files will be in cache, so you can install those again in no time
[18:18] <TheLastProject> Pfew, that's good to hear
[18:18] <TheLastProject> Thank you phoenix_firebrd
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> TheLastProject: yw
[18:20] <ishaan> rork: check this too http://paste.ubuntu.com/727455/
[18:21] <rork> ishaan: what's the output of `sudo apt-fast update`?
[18:22] <ishaan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/727455/
[18:22] <ishaan> and that goes on to errors and untrusted packages,etc..and ends with --fix-missing
[18:25] <rork> ishaan: what's the output of `sudo apt-get update` then?
[18:27] <ishaan> rork: http://paste.ubuntu.com/727471/
[18:28] <TheLastProject> (I hate this "another package manager is running blahblahblah", wish it would at least tell me which process it is so I can do something about it Q_Q)
[18:29] <rork> ishaan: this is the out put of apt-fast and dist-upgrade while I requested `sudo apt-get update` which updates the package list
[18:29] <qwerty_> Hi, is there a way to make wine applications integrate better with kde?
[18:29] <ishaan> oh...
[18:29] <ishaan> ill send that too..
[18:31] <pangolin> qwerty_: FloodBotK1 and K2 are bots, they will not respond to you.
[18:31] <ishaan> rork:http://paste.ubuntu.com/727477/
[18:34] <Crembo> help - trying to install chrome dev channel and/or dropbox by downloading respective .deb files and clicking open results in "installing dependencies" screen with what looks like it's supposed to be a terminal in the center but it's black text on black background
[18:35] <rork> ishaan: I think this might explain your problem: "W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which makes apt use the old package lists and requests old files that don't exist, let me check how to solve this
[18:36] <ishaan> sure....
[18:36] <ishaan> can u email me the instructions on my email id??
[18:37] <ishaan> or here if there is a way??
[18:38] <daghter> hey guys !
[18:38] <daghter> i am totaly new to Kubuntu
[18:38] <pangolin> !gpgerr | rork ishaan
[18:38] <daghter> but i have a question
[18:39] <daghter> how do i install an .Jar file ?
[18:39] <rork> thanks pangolin
[18:39] <daghter> or where can i find this ?
[18:40] <daghter> does someone know this ?
[18:40] <daghter> ????????????
[18:40] <ishaan> pangolin: this command is for terminal or here??
[18:40] <pangolin> terminal
[18:40] <pangolin> you want to run: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5
[18:40] <daghter> hello? some help over here ?
[18:41] <pangolin> daghter: patience :)
[18:41] <daghter> ok :)
[18:41] <genii-around> daghter: jar is a java archive file. You don't really install it so much as just run it using java
[18:42] <daghter> Oke, i am totaly new to this Kubunbtu
[18:42] <ishaan> getting the same error
[18:42] <daghter> and i dont know hoe to install
[18:42] <daghter> some files
[18:42] <daghter> like a .gz file
[18:43] <pangolin> !compile
[18:44] <daghter> i've download a .tar.gz file, how can i install this?
[18:44] <pangolin> see what ubottu just linked
[18:44] <daghter> oh for me :)
[18:44] <ishaan> daughter: there wud be a ./configure file in it
[18:45] <ishaan> sorry daghter
[18:45] <ishaan> run ./configure
[18:45] <daghter> oke
[18:45] <genii-around> daghter: The main idea is... search through the package manager first for the application you are looking for, and install it from there first always if possible. Only download and try to install foreign files files .tar.gz when the application you require is not already in a pre-made package
[18:46] <ishaan> btw pangolin,those !<commands> are not working in my konsole
[18:46] <genii-around> daghter: Muon Package Manager  is where to see if the thing you want is already available
[18:46] <andycc> Hi! I just installed the latest KDE 4.7.2 (from the PPA) on Ubuntu 11.10, and I'm getting authentication-related errors - Muon, for example, says "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided" if I try to install an application. Any ideas on what I should try?
[18:46] <pangolin> ishaan: they should
[18:46] <pangolin> errr
[18:46] <pangolin> shouldn't
[18:47] <daghter> yes i know but not all the programs/file are here
[18:47] <pangolin> you want to run: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5
[18:47] <ishaan> i did..it received 22 keys and the same error on update.
[18:48] <pangolin> which error exactly
[18:48] <genii-around> andycc: Is package called: polkit-kde-1   installed?
[18:48] <pangolin> ?
[18:49] <pangolin> ishaan: what is the exact error?
[18:50] <andycc> genii-around: yeah, I installed it a while ago and it still gives that error.
[18:50] <ishaan> shall paste here??
[18:51] <andycc> And no, it's not a problem with Muon, I'm also getting that from the KDM configuration module.
[18:51] <pangolin> ishaan: only the error if it is not too long
[18:51] <ishaan> tched 5,767 B in 18s (310 B/s)
[18:51] <ishaan> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:51] <ishaan> W: GPG error: http://toolbelt.herokuapp.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C927EBE00F1B0520
[18:51] <ishaan> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/bisigi/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[18:51] <ishaan> look at the first one..
[18:51] <pangolin> ok well the PPA you will need to look it up on launchpad and update it it manually
[18:52] <genii-around> andycc: Was your machine logged off/on or restarted since the polkit package was installed?
[18:53] <daghter> oke guys i try to run a .Jar file e.g: java -jar ./file1.jar but i gives an error
[18:53] <genii-around> daghter: Which program is it which you are trying to install?
[18:53] <daghter> The program 'java' can be found in the following packages:
[18:53] <daghter>  * gcj-4.4-jre-headless
[18:53] <daghter>  * gcj-4.6-jre-headless
[18:53] <daghter>  * openjdk-6-jre-headless
[18:53] <daghter>  * gcj-4.5-jre-headless
[18:53] <daghter>  * openjdk-7-jre-headless
[18:53] <daghter> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[18:53] <ishaan> dagther u need to install the openjdk in ur system
[18:53] <ishaan> then u can compile them
[18:53] <genii-around> daghter: The error seems fairly self-explanatory :)
[18:54] <daghter> should i : sudo apt-get install jave ?
[18:54] <daghter> *java
[18:54] <genii-around> !pastebin | daghter
[18:54] <pangolin> daghter: openjdk-6-jre-headless
[18:54] <daghter> oke
[18:54] <andycc> genii-around: probably not. I'll restart it and let you know if that works in a minute.
[18:54] <daghter> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless  ??
[18:55] <genii-around> daghter: you have to use one of the exact names as it listed them. In this case, your best choice is probably openjdk-7-jre-headless
[18:55] <ishaan> daghter: no.go to software sources and search for java
[18:55] <pangolin> ishaan: not sure what else to tell you.
[18:55] <ishaan> pangolin: yeah i think its a dead end..thats y i can here..
[18:55] <genii-around> daghter: Thats the idea, yes
[18:55] <pangolin> 6 or 7 yeah, probably 7
[18:55] <daghter> software source ??
[18:56] <pangolin> he meant package manager
[18:56] <ishaan> kPackage jkit
[18:56] <pangolin> but you can use the terminal
[18:56] <ishaan> *KPackage Kit
[18:56] <daghter> ok will have a look
[18:56] <ishaan> that can install all ur java applications and tools..
[18:57] <ishaan> including icetea
[18:57] <ishaan> and opnejdk
[18:57] <ishaan> *openjdk
[18:57] <daghter> oke downloaded openjdk-6-jre-headless
[18:57] <andycc> genii-around: fixed, thanks! :)
[18:57] <genii-around> andycc: Yer welcome
[18:58] <ishaan> there must be more options available daghter..for java tools
[18:58] <daghter> now i can run the sommand :  java -jar ./file.jar
[18:58] <ishaan> just run java file.jar
[18:58] <ishaan> or java file.java
[18:59] <ishaan> and yes the above too...
[18:59] <daghter> ..but its a .Jar file
[18:59] <daghter> :)
[18:59] <ishaan> yes that too....  .jar and .class
[18:59] <daghter> ok..
[19:00] <ishaan> when u are doing that..u may run sudo apt-get install unrar
[19:00] <ishaan> thats for unzipping the packages easily..
[19:00] <daghter> i dont get it.. sorry
[19:00] <ishaan> and for tar u can run tar -xyzf file.tar.gz
[19:01] <ishaan> open the terminal and run that command which i said and then enter ur password..
[19:01] <ishaan> thats it..
[19:01] <daghter> sudo apt-get install unrar ?
[19:01] <ishaan> yup
[19:01] <daghter> ok
[19:02] <daghter> oke done :)
[19:02] <ishaan> happy unzipping..
[19:02] <daghter> lol
[19:02] <ishaan> :)
[19:03] <andycc> Okay, this may sound stupid, but are disappearing KCM modules a common thing?
[19:03] <daghter> but when i try to run the .Jar file it doest work
[19:04] <ishaan> whats the error??
[19:04] <andycc> Because 2 KCM modules just dissapeared from my System Settings.
[19:04] <daghter> - Error -
[19:04] <daghter> java.awt.HeadlessException
[19:04] <daghter> java.awt.HeadlessException
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.checkHeadless(GraphicsEnvironment.java:173)
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:476)
[19:04] <genii-around> daghter: Does it give some kind of informative output or just return to $ prompt?
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:419)
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:384)
[19:04] <daghter>         at javax.swing.JFrame.<init>(JFrame.java:174)
[19:04] <daghter>         at com.izforge.izpack.installer.GUIInstaller.loadLangPack(GUIInstaller.java:184)
[19:04] <daghter>         at com.izforge.izpack.installer.GUIInstaller.<init>(GUIInstaller.java:119)
[19:04] <ryanakca> !paste > daghter
[19:04] <daghter>         at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
[19:04] <genii-around> !pastebin | daghter
[19:04] <daghter>         at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:57)
[19:04] <daghter>         at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45)
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:532)
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Class.java:372)
[19:04] <daghter>         at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:325)
[19:04] <daghter>         at com.izforge.izpack.installer.Installer.main(Installer.java:62)
[19:04] <pangolin> !paste | daghter
[19:05] <spartan779> Hallo At All
[19:05] <ishaan> paste.ubuntu.com
[19:05] <spartan779> Good evening
[19:05] <ishaan> daghter.
[19:05] <daghter> yes..
[19:05] <ishaan> btw are u trying to install a moblie jar file??paste the link of the paste here
[19:06] <ishaan> *mobile
[19:06] <daghter> i dont think it mobile ?
[19:06] <ishaan> thats coz the mobile jar file doesnt have the main class..
[19:06] <daghter> ow
[19:06] <ishaan> for that u need an emulator
[19:06] <daghter> oke
[19:06] <ishaan> thats y the errors.
[19:07] <spartan779> So, someone that has 2 or more wifi dongles attached to the computer has experienced that network manager tries continuesly to connect with all interfaces ?
[19:07] <ishaan> spartan779: use iwconfig or ifconfig to sort that part out.
[19:07] <daghter> brb have some dinner
[19:08] <daghter> but thx for help :)
[19:08] <ishaan> sure go ahead..my exams tm so i gotta go too..
[19:08] <spartan779> ishaan: do you understand what i mean or you think i must explain better?
[19:09] <ishaan> @daghter:btw if u have a prob..ping me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:09] <ishaan> @spartan: meaning??
[19:09] <ishaan> and the answer is NO..to the question
[19:09] <ishaan> @spantan779
[19:10] <maria_> anyone who has installed Kubuntu on a Ubuntu 10.04?
[19:11] <spartan779> ishaan: yeah, sorry, i don't say you don't understand. i'm saying that the question is in wrong english.
[19:11] <ishaan> ohh..
[19:11] <spartan779> ok..
[19:14] <semitones> Hey you guys
[19:14] <semitones> I am confused by Activities
[19:15] <semitones> hold on I have a real question, I swear. I just forgot what it was
[19:15] <spartan779> My problem is that the 2nd wifi interface don't stay in stand by mode and tries continuesly to connect with the essid marked as connect automatically. But i see that connect automatically is for all wi-fi devices. There is a way to tell networkmanger or or something else that whan i click disconnect the defice must not try to connect to another essid?
[19:18] <semitones> oh yeah I remember now.
[19:18] <Lynoure> semitones: to me activities and multiple workshapaces are somewhat exclusive, but probably because I use them the way I use them.
[19:19] <semitones> Lynoure: ah ok. I'm setting up an activity for Music, and I'm just running into problems of the 'not knowning how to do things' sort
[19:20] <semitones> I'm trying to install a .plasmoid file from the internet, but when I try using the "install plasmoid" feature of the bottom bar, it fails. Can anyone walk me through the process?
[19:20] <semitones> I click 'install new widget from file", go to where I downloaded it, and when I install, it fails.
[19:21] <semitones> Installing the package /home/patrick/Downloads/100348-plasma-applet-magic-folder_1.2.3.plasmoid failed.
[19:21] <genii-around> semitones: Can you link to where you obtained it from?
[19:21] <maria_> I think you should all check your keys from KUBUNTU because a lot of problems are due to this problem with the signatures.
[19:22] <semitones> genii-around: sure
[19:22] <semitones> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Magic+Folder?content=100348
[19:23] <maria_> When the repositories aren't found  the installs fails. And now it is a BIG problem with UBUNTU AND KUBUNTU.
[19:24] <maria_> I resolved mine key problem to search the fastest server for KUBUNTU.
[19:24] <Lynoure> Magic folder is lovable... but does it not exist in some package?
[19:24] <semitones> genii-around: it looks like a cool plasmoid: it moves files you drop in it depending on what they are
[19:25] <Lynoure> Or maybe I have forgotten installing it manually...
[19:25] <spartan779> I have 2 wi-fi devices (one usb hi-power and the integrated). The problem is this: starting with together the devices disconnected i click on hi-power and sect an essid to link with. After done this happens that the integrated wifi tries to link to the same essid. And this happens also if an essid or a series of essid are marked as connect automatically. So, is there a way to avoid that the network manager tries to connect to not
[19:25] <spartan779> connected interface when one of these is connected?
[19:26] <semitones> Lynoure: you can install plasmoids with packages?
[19:27] <Lynoure> semitones: I cannot remember what I did... let's see.
[19:28] <daghter> ishaangt: i will man thx
[19:28] <Lynoure> semitones: most likely just used the standard Get new widgets   dialog for it.
[19:29] <semitones> Lynoure: first I googled it, then I downloaded it, then I used that dialog
[19:31] <genii-around> semitones: Do you have the prerequisites it states on the page? ( PyKDE/PyQt) .. I imagine these are the packages of python-qt4 (or -qt3) and python-kde4
[19:32] <lars__> hi
[19:32] <Lynoure> semitones: if you just want the Magic Folder, use the Download option in the dialog to get it. Worked for me, but then again I had the older version already.
[19:32] <semitones> I don't know... I can search for them in the package manager genii-around
[19:32] <semitones> Lynoure: you mean you search for Magic Folder in the dialog?
[19:33] <Lynoure> semitones: Or sort by rating =) It's in the top10 or so.
[19:33] <lars__> im a linux newbie...i wanna install skype, do i need Canonical Partner before?
[19:34] <semitones> genii-around: yes, those things are already installed
[19:34] <semitones> Lynoure: ok i'll look
[19:35] <lars__> is anyone here who can help me?
[19:35] <semitones> Lynoure: well it says it worked ;)
[19:37] <semitones> Lynoure: ahaha and now I am downloading ALL the highest rated plasmoids. they all look so cool
[19:37] <genii-around> !skype
[19:38] <lars__> thx=)
[19:40] <Lynoure> Hmm, just listened to a talk on Ubuntu Friendly... how does a Kubuntu user run that?
[19:40] <Lynoure> I cannot find it anywhere, not even with apt-cache search
[19:43] <semitones> I don't think it's something you run
[19:43] <semitones> there was a ubuntu testing program that submits to ubuntu friendly
[19:44] <semitones> I ran it on kubuntu, but I forget what it was called
[19:44] <lars__> how to run the canonical partner repository?
[19:44] <lars__> *add
[19:45] <semitones> what repository?
[19:46] <lars__> i do need this for installing skype
[19:47] <pangolin> !partner
[19:47] <semitones> hmm maybe that should be added to the wiki
[19:47] <spartan779> Hallo again
[19:48] <BarkingFish> hi spartan779 :)
[19:48] <semitones> hmm looks like it is already on the wiki, just in a confusing place
[19:48] <BarkingFish> Right, so you need help with something. I don't know what, so please ask your question again and I will *attempt* to help you.
[19:48] <spartan779> BarkingFish: I have 2 wi-fi devices (one usb hi-power and the integrated). The problem is this: starting with together the devices disconnected i click on hi-power and sect an essid to link with. After done this happens that the integrated wifi tries to link to the same essid.
[19:49] <spartan779> BarkingFish: And this happens also if an essid or a series of essid are marked as connect automatically. So, is there a way to avoid that the network manager tries to connect to not connected interface when one of these is connected?
[19:49] <BarkingFish> right, are you using the network manager plasmoid, spartan779?
[19:49] <spartan779> the plasmoid...
[19:49] <BarkingFish> spartan779: you need to take multiple connections off connect automatically. The only way you'll stop them all trying to connect is to click one to connect to.
[19:50] <BarkingFish> don't have them autoconnect.
[19:50] <spartan779> BarkingFish: hum do you mean the app in tray area?
[19:50] <BarkingFish> yes, it looks like a speaker icon pointing upwards, with a dot underneath it
[19:51] <semitones> I have a python script called "pythonlogin." If I move it to /home/patrick/.kde/Autostart/ will it start automatically? Or is there more to do?
[19:52] <lars__> !partner
[19:52] <lars__> is that command right?
[19:52] <spartan779> BarkingFish: Ok, right. I mind was that the plasmoid, i'm sorry i'm half-new to kde and i don't know good what are the plasmoid yet.
[19:52] <lars__> if i type it in the console nothing happens?
[19:52] <BarkingFish> spartan779: the first thing I want you to do is open the network manager, and click "manage network connections"
[19:52] <lars__>
[19:52] <spartan779> BarkingFish: ok done
[19:52] <semitones> lars__: can you paste exactly what you typed and the output to ubuntu.paste.com?
[19:53] <spartan779> BarkingFish: ok, i'm in manage connection
[19:53] <BarkingFish> spartan779: - Pick the network connection you usually connect to, click on it, and in the right, select Edit
[19:54] <spartan779> BarkingFish: and where is written "connect automatically" remove the check point, right?
[19:54] <lars__> semitones: where shall i paste it?
[19:54] <BarkingFish> yes, for the first thing, but don't apply it yet
[19:54] <semitones> lars__: paste.ubuntu.com, like I said above
[19:54] <spartan779> BarkingFish: So what's the next?
[19:55] <lars__> semitones: you said ubuntu.paste.com;)
[19:55] <semitones> oh oops :p
[19:55] <BarkingFish> spartan779: next, click on the wireless tab, and go down to where it says "restrict to interface" - pick the interface in there which you want it to connect to.
[19:55] <semitones> i guess i am dyslexic too
[19:55] <lars__> semitones: http://paste.ubuntu.com/727548/
[19:56] <semitones> what happens when you hit enter
[19:56] <BarkingFish> spartan779: it may be that both interfaces say the same name - you can change this though, if it's confusing.
[19:56] <lars__> nothing
[19:56] <lars__> no error or something
[19:57] <semitones> lars__: if there is no error, then it probably worked :)
[19:57] <spartan779> BarkingFish: oh ok right i understand the method. But now i want to do mor clear the things since the wlans are named as wlan"i" where i is a number. So is there away to name a wlan device as "TP-Link150" for example?
[19:57] <lars__> semitones: k, ill try to install skype now:P
[19:58] <semitones> lars__: yeah! try doing apt-get update first though
[19:58] <BarkingFish> spartan779: yes, there is.  In the manage connections area, on the left, you should see a button marked "other" - click it, and in the next window, select "show interfaces as" under the Display heading.
[19:58] <lars__> semitones: i type in: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[19:59] <lars__> but then i get an error
[19:59] <semitones> what is it
[19:59] <BarkingFish> spartan779: In that list, change the entry to "Vendor name", then apply it.
[19:59] <lars__> semitones: my linux is in german, he said something about line 59 in the sources.list
[20:00] <BarkingFish> spartan779: when you open network manager from then, you'll see the actual names of the wireless devices, not just their system name.
[20:00] <semitones> lars__: hmm, maybe we better take a look at your sources.list then. Can you paste that to paste.ubuntu.com?
[20:00] <lars__> semitones: ill try;)
[20:00] <semitones> lars__: installing skype is not normally this difficult, just to let you know :P
[20:00] <lars__> :P
[20:01] <semitones> lars__: if you need help on that step, a good command is "kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[20:01] <semitones> assuming you are in kubuntu
[20:02] <spartan779> BarkingFish: Yeah, this displays the chip's name! Very good solution. I love KDE.
[20:02] <lars__> semitones: i paste in the output of the kate command?
[20:03] <semitones> to the pastebin, yeah
[20:03] <semitones> hopefully we'll see where it got messed up
[20:03] <BarkingFish> excellent.  All you need to do now, spartan779 - is go through all the other connections you use, the same way, and untick connect automatically - and restrict them all to one interface. If they're marked "Any", then they'll try and connect on whichever wifi devices are available :)
[20:03] <lars__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/727559/
[20:03] <spartan779> BarkingFish: One thing. If i left connect automatically, and restrict to an interface this means that only the interface selected will try to link automatically?
[20:03] <semitones> pangolin: can you help me take a look at lars__'s pastebin?
[20:03] <semitones> line 59
[20:03] <BarkingFish> yes
[20:04] <BarkingFish> but, spartan779 - all of the essid's marked connect automatically will still all try and autoconnect through the same device.
[20:04] <BarkingFish> This is why I said for you to uncheck connect automatically, AND restrict them - so only the essid you select will connect, on the wifi device you want it to
[20:04] <semitones> lars__: pangolin: it looks to me like you have too many entries for the partner repositories where just one would be enough.
[20:05] <lars__> semitones: how do i solve that problem?
[20:05] <semitones> lars__: do you see all the extra ones?
[20:05] <lars__> semitones: in the sources.list?
[20:06] <semitones> lars__: yes. if you do gksu kate /etc/apt/sources.list, it will let you edit the file. You can remove all the extra copies of the partner lines.
[20:06] <semitones> be very careful with that command though
[20:06] <semitones> you don't want to accidentally erase your whole sources.lst
[20:06] <spartan779> BarkingFish: ok this isn't a problem. What i want to avoid is the double connection to the same essid or to 2 different essids. So what i'll do is remove connect automatically and restrain all the removes to wlan0. After this, connect automatically restricted to the other device.
[20:07] <BarkingFish> right, that's the way you need to go, spartan779 :)
[20:07] <lars__> semitones: one moment pls, i have to install gksu
[20:08] <semitones> lars__: delete all the extra "partner" lines except deb http://archive.canonical.com/ oneiric partner and deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ oneiric partner
[20:08] <semitones> lars__: no you don't.. or you shouldn't have to
[20:08] <semitones> lars__: there's probably a kde alternative I don't know about
[20:09] <semitones> Does anybody here know what the kde version of gksu is?
[20:09] <lars__> semitones: nothing happens when i type in that command?
[20:10] <semitones> lars__: it's because it's a command I'm remembering from my GNOME days. There is a version for kde that I don't remember
[20:10] <lars__> semitones: k
[20:10] <semitones> lars__: try using kdesu instead of gksu
[20:11] <spartan779> BarkingFish: Every thing i know of kde and more i love kde. Before i used kde 3.x till 4 becausemy laptop hadn't the power for it. But now i have an HD6650m and all rolls different!!!
[20:11] <lars__> command not found
[20:11] <semitones> lars__: kdesu?
[20:11] <lars__> semitones: y
[20:12] <semitones> bleh
[20:12] <BarkingFish> spartan779: I'm glad you get on well with KDE 4 - i have my problems with it, but I won't go into those here. I'm here to help, not moan :)
[20:12] <lars__> bleh instead of gksu?
[20:12] <spartan779> BarkingFish: Don't worry, what's your problem?
[20:12] <lars__> semitones: bleh instead of gksu?
[20:12] <spartan779> BarkingFish: can i see?
[20:13] <semitones> lars__: no, bleh was just me expressing my frustration. Try gksudo
[20:13] <BarkingFish> spartan779: kmail 2 is my problem, I asked #kde about it last night and got no response from anyone.
[20:13] <lars__> semitones: never heard that kind of expression:D
[20:13] <lars__> semitones: gksudo works=)
[20:13] <semitones> ok great
[20:14] <BarkingFish> If I opened kmail2, and push "check mail", i get all my mail normally without errors - but during the interval mail checks which it runs, every 10 minutes - I get errors popping up, and being asked for my password because the last login attempt was unsuccessful.
[20:14] <semitones> lars__: any idea how you got that many extra entries in your sources.list file in the first place?
[20:14] <BarkingFish> It's only when kmail2 is closed, so I think maybe akonadi is the problem, it's clearly not doing something correctly
[20:14] <lars__> semitones: not really
[20:14] <lars__> semintones: what do i have to delete now?
[20:15] <semitones> it might have happened if you tried running the apt-add-repository a few times
[20:15] <BarkingFish> So last night, I removed kmail2 and switched over to Thunderbird :)
[20:15] <lars__> semitones: i ran that a few times(
[20:15] <lars__> =(
[20:16] <semitones> lars__: that's probably it then. At the end of the file, where there are all those duplicate lines. delete all the ones with "partner" except for two:  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ oneiric partner and deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ oneiric partner
[20:18] <lars__> semitones: i have to delete these two lines?
[20:18] <semitones> lars__: delete every line containing "partner" EXCEPT those two lines
[20:19] <lars__> semitones: now there are only the 2 first lines right?
[20:20] <semitones> lars__: no those first two lines were wrong since they didn't have oneiric in them
[20:20] <semitones> lars__: it should look exactly like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/727575/
[20:22] <lars__> semitones: k, now i have to save the sources.list?
[20:22] <semitones> lars__: there's one mistake there. There should be a space between the "/" and "oneiric"
[20:23] <semitones> then save, yes
[20:23] <lars__> done
[20:24] <semitones> alright now try updating apt and installing skype
[20:24] <lars__> k
[20:25] <lars__> uhhhhh that looks well:D
[20:25] <semitones> wunderbar!
[20:25] <semitones> see if you can start it
[20:25] <lars__> german?
[20:26] <semitones> No, unfortunately I don't speak it. I was born in frankfurt though
[20:26] <lars__> ah k;)
[20:26] <lars__> it works=)
[20:26] <lars__> great job man
[20:26] <lars__> big thank:)
[20:27] <semitones> awesome! thanks to you! you did it
[20:27] <lars__> do i have to same contacts as in windows?
[20:28] <lars__> ah here they are:D
[20:34] <BluesKaj> I'm tired of amarok's lack of options for the user to control his own file lists ...hate this clunky dumbed down version...it's insulting to the user
[20:35] <semitones> BluesKaj: what options is it lacking?
[20:35] <semitones> i've just started using it / haven't noticed anything missing really
[20:36] <semitones> I would like to know how to make Amarok be part of my Activity for music... haven't figured that out yet
[20:37] <BluesKaj> it doesn't take my edit for example 2cd collections that are number 1-18 on each disk ends up as 2 no1 s 2 2s etc instead of separate folders
[20:39] <semitones> sounds like a problem importing the cd
[20:39] <semitones> I never use the file view, just the database
[20:39] <BluesKaj> the devs should leave the listing options to the user
[20:40] <BluesKaj> reminds of the bugs in windows media player
[20:42] <BluesKaj> where's the database view option, all I have is the source , and it still has it wrong
[20:45] <semitones> database view is called 'local content'
[20:45] <semitones> 'local music' rather
[20:47] <BluesKaj>  yeh. it's what I use, but it's tillwrong
[20:47] <BluesKaj> still wrong
[20:49] <BluesKaj> the ppl at #amarok were no help , 98 nicks but no answer yesterday
[20:55] <semitones> BluesKaj: your tags are probably just wrong -- nothing amarok can do really. You should install ex-falso and fix them.
[21:31] <levi501d> if i want something to run when i login to kde butnot ever time i create a new shell i should put it in .profile correct?
[21:31] <well_laid_lawn> !autostart
[21:33] <duckx0r> how do I get the kde network manager to show up in the system tray?
[21:38] <semitones> it would be cool if Kubuntu installed default Activities as examples
[21:38] <semitones> or just like one default
[22:29] <rymate1234> hello
[22:29] <EvilResistance> ohai
[22:32] <rymate1234> what is this "PulseAudio" thing
[22:32] <rymate1234> its suddenly appeared in the sound manager
[22:32] <EvilResistance> rymate1234:  its the audio manager iirc
[22:33] <rymate1234> how do I configure it
[23:08] <rymate1234> lol
[23:08] <rymate1234> why the hell is netbeans not in the kubuntu repositories
[23:20] <BarkingFish> it was, rymate1234 - to the best of my knowledge, the last release it went out with was either Karmic or Lucid
[23:20] <BarkingFish> why it isn't now, I don't know
[23:20] <BarkingFish> !info netbeans oneiric
[23:20] <BarkingFish> !info netbeans natty
[23:21] <BarkingFish> ah, there you go. It was last released with 11.04, which we've just upgraded from.


[17:15] <cjp256> 23.3.3 made it to -proposed for 20.04 and 22.04, but not 18.04. related to https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1742/files i assume?
[17:18] <blackboxsw> cjp256: correct, that httpretty commit is in upstream/main, but we have only pulled bugfixes for 22.3.3 into bionic-proposed
[17:18] <blackboxsw> so https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/commit/9aa4ec6982541f5425c860010fa87134e58469e6 is not in the -proposed release yet correct
[17:19] <blackboxsw> it will be in 22.4
[17:19] <blackboxsw> which is in Nov
[17:20] <meena> how do I split a line like this to fit into 80 char:
[17:20] <meena>             if toks[0].startswith("options=") or toks[0].startswith("ec_capabilities") or toks[0].startswith("ec_enabled"):
[17:20] <meena> I guess i could use regex :O
[17:21] <blackboxsw> that's one nice way. otherwise
[17:21] <blackboxsw> if any([
[17:21] <blackboxsw>   test1,
[17:21] <blackboxsw>   test2,
[17:21] <blackboxsw>   test3,
[17:21] <blackboxsw> ]):
[17:22] <meena> re.search(r"^(options|ec_capabilities|ec_enabled)=", toks[0])
[17:22] <blackboxsw> and was just staring on a regex :)
[17:23] <blackboxsw> ship it
[17:23] <cjp256> use if ( .. )
[17:23] <meena> regex is usually my first goto, but then i remember how awful that is to people who haven't done 22 years of Unix nonsense.
[17:24] <meena> blackboxsw: so this doesn't need an or, that's nice
[17:24]  * blackboxsw wonders timeit cost of the multi-conditional if vs regex w/  "ORs"  due to "|"
[17:24] <cjp256> any([t1, t2, ...]) will evaluate all conditions first to build that array I think, so less effecient
[17:24] <blackboxsw> yeah +1 cjp256 good pt
[17:25] <meena> blackboxsw: regex done right can be really fast
[17:25] <meena> I see so much regex out there that just makes me wanna cry
[17:26] <meena> blackboxsw: how do you "timeit"?
[17:27] <blackboxsw> meena: https://docs.python.org/3/library/timeit.html
[17:27] <blackboxsw> create sample constructs or functions and shove them into it's own function or direct on commandline and see how it behaves vs alternatives across many iterations
[17:28] <blackboxsw> gives you a quick relative comparison when you are looking at two ways of writing something
[17:29] <meena> i wish i could feed it random data :D
[17:29] <meena> basically, like, quickcheck, but timed.
[17:38] <falcojr> meena: on that note, we're auto-formatting everything with black these days, so write it however you want and let black deal with it
[18:02] <meena> falcojr: I should just integrate black into my emacs then
[18:02] <falcojr> yes, I've integrated it into my editor...makes life a lot easier
[18:08] <meena> i just forgot you had to add () around a long if line to make it make sense
[18:08] <meena> but i reckon black would've handled that
[21:27] <cjp256> blackboxsw: i'm not seeing an updated -proposed deb for 18.04, just the old build from 09/01
[21:27] <blackboxsw> cjp256: good pt. I'm not seeing it either.
[21:28] <blackboxsw> thx cjp256 still stuck in unapproved queue, I think it was an oversight https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=cloud-init
[21:29] <cjp256> thanks


[08:39] <seb128> wgrant, cjwatson, hey, is there a way to know who is tweaking the translation template sharing details on launchpad? or to lock those settings down? looks like the "sharing with main serie" has been enabled for most desktop packages again, but that points to buggy/outdated code import on launchpad and prevent source package templates/translations to be imported, which result in outdated/buggy ubuntu translations :/
[08:40] <seb128> I'm chasing down those manually now, which is tedious and leading to no change rebuilds
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: speaking of which (and maybe related to your question), I guess you noted as well that GNOME Shell has some part of the UI in English, correct?
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, that was discussed on the desktop channel some days ago and an upstream bug in gnome-shell, we need to get the .1 update
[08:42] <didrocks> ok, great :)
[08:44] <sbraz> hi, can someone explain what the +esm1 stands for here? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-7099.html
[08:45] <sbraz> my currently installed version is "4.2.6~dfsg-1ubuntu4.2" without the +esm1 part, which makes pakiti think that my system is vulnerable
[08:46] <sbraz> Extended Security Maintenance i guess? still, why doesn't the installed version match the version in the advisory?
[08:46] <cjwatson> seb128: I don't really know the details of this but AFAIK none of that kind of thing has a very useful audit log
[08:47] <cjwatson> sorry
[08:47] <seb128> cjwatson, no worry, I was sort of expecting it was the case based on the previous cycles conversations with William when that sort of issues happen
[08:47] <seb128> I'm probably going to write a script that goes through the pages (or use the launchpad api if it works for that, I need to have a look) and dump the sharing status
[10:15] <xnox> sbraz, hi. What's published in ubuntu can be seen here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs
[10:15] <xnox> sbraz, i don't know how Extended Security Maintenance works, you'd need to contact ESM support if you have that, and something is missing.
[10:16] <sbraz> xnox: yes and this page doesn't list the version https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/nodejs doesn't either
[10:17] <sbraz> xnox: and https://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-8860.html says "released-esm" for ubuntu 16 which doesn't make sense, 16 is still fully supported, isn't it?
[10:18] <xnox> sbraz, fully supported, but we only provide security support for main.
[10:18] <xnox> sbraz, node-tar and nodejs are from universe.
[10:20] <sbraz> xnox: so that ESM feature can be useful for xenial too?
[10:20] <xnox> sbraz, looks like it, it seems to cover more. you should contact canonical sales about ESM.
[10:21] <xnox> sbraz, i.e. https://buy.ubuntu.com/ has a chat thing and phone numbers too.
[10:26] <sbraz> xnox: what bothers me is that those esm packages which are not free are listed in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/oval/com.ubuntu.xenial.cve.oval.xml
[13:06] <jdstrand> sbraz: Ubuntu 16.04 is still officially supported by Canonical for main/restricted and community supported for universe/multiverse. UA customers may receive updates beyond what is officially supported
[13:08] <jdstrand> sbraz: can you clarify why their inclusion in the oval data bothers you?
[13:16] <sbraz> jdstrand: it's always a bit frustrating to see vulnerable packages on my servers, i didn't even know ESM was a thing until today
[13:16] <sbraz> i thought a vanilla up-to-date ubuntu to have no vulnerable packages
[13:17] <sbraz> i assume if i were to run bionic, this wouldn't be an issue?
[13:18] <JamieBennett> sbraz: right
[13:18] <jdstrand> sbraz: nodejs is in universe and thus community maintained. packages that are community supported are kept up to date to the level that the community has invested time in them
[13:19] <jdstrand> sbraz: you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Official_Support
[13:20] <jdstrand> how does that page not say anything about esm... /me adjusts
[13:24] <sbraz> jdstrand: i understand, it's just that i never had to think about all this before; it just worked as expected in the past, it's the first time i stumble on that kind of package/vulnerability
[13:26] <rbasak> Nothing has been taken away. You're just noticing more because Canonical are publishing more information for their customers and making some of that information public.
[13:28] <jdstrand> right
[13:29] <xnox> sbraz, "in the past" you had vulnerable packages in universe installed and there were no updates for those available - neither gratis, nor paid. And well, was vulnerable to CVEs applicable to universe.
[13:36] <sbraz> xnox: i'm not saying it was better, just that i hadn't noticed :)
[13:41] <xnox> =))))))
[18:17] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: so I just got told about shared folders not working in Vagrant because of removing the vbox-guest-dkms modules from the kernel, bug 1796647
[18:17] <sforshee> the kernel packaging continues to say that it provides virtualbox-guest-modules, which it shouldn't
[18:18] <LocutusOfBorg> sforshee, the kernel should contain them... why did it drop them=
[18:18] <LocutusOfBorg> ?
[18:18] <LocutusOfBorg> it has been using vboxvideo from the intree driver, and everything else from vbox modules
[18:18] <LocutusOfBorg> IIRC
[18:19] <sforshee> LocutusOfBorg: we've talked about this several times ... we're using the upstream drivers now, you said you didn't want to seed vbox-guest
[18:20] <sforshee> there should still be time to pull them back in though
[18:20] <LocutusOfBorg> ok but only vboxvideo is upstream right now
[18:20] <LocutusOfBorg> I remember some of them being upstreamed IIRC
[18:20] <sforshee> we must have gotten some wires crossed, I thought you said the others weren't important to ship in the kernel
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> vboxvideo is important if you want a good resolution
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> and yes, others are not fundamental, unless you want copy-paste from guest to host and such features
[18:23] <Odd_Bloke> sforshee: As a sidenote, we do need these drivers in the official Ubuntu Vagrant image, which I think would preferably not rely on the DKMS modules.  (Not a hard requirement AFAIK, but would maybe nudge us more to retaining them.)
[18:23] <sforshee> right ... I'm also now recalling that there was a conflict because the modules shipped upstream and in the dkms package have duplicated names
[18:23] <sforshee> both ship vboxguest.ko iirc
[18:24] <sforshee> so probably we'll need to rename vboxguest that comes from the dkms package, is that going to cause issues?
[18:25] <LocutusOfBorg> why? is it causing problems?
[18:25] <LocutusOfBorg> they have different directories, so there is no clash wrt apt side
[18:25] <LocutusOfBorg> and my vboxvideo has higher priority, something I want to have :)
[18:26] <sforshee> the kernel build infrastructure does not expect modules with the same name when it is building, and does not handle it properly. I can't remember the specifics off the top of my head
[18:26] <sforshee> I'm thinking it can't find symbols exported from one or the other
[18:26] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm so you are talking about the build farm...
[18:26] <LocutusOfBorg> interesting
[18:27] <sforshee> not the build farm, all the makefiles and scripts which build the kernel
[18:28] <sforshee> it may be some kind of namespacing thing, like I said I can't remember the exact details now
[18:28] <LocutusOfBorg> but you don't have to copypaste my vboxvideo from vbox source tree, just the others
[18:29] <sforshee> but I am thinking that something failed to link because it wanted exported symbols from one of the vboxgues modules but wasn't seeing them because they were masked by the other vboxguest module
[18:29] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't know...
[18:29] <sforshee> the simple way to avoid it though is to rename one of them
[18:29] <LocutusOfBorg> what about providing "virtualbox-guest-video" kernel module?
[18:30] <LocutusOfBorg> and let the others come from my vbox source package?
[18:30]  * LocutusOfBorg has to leave shortly
[18:31] <sforshee> that doesn't fix it, we were already doing that
[18:31] <sforshee> anyway, let me look into it
[18:32] <LocutusOfBorg> ok
[18:32]  * LocutusOfBorg leaves
[18:46] <caravena> Hello... What does it mean?: 'rls-cc-incoming'
[18:46] <caravena> ^ Trevinho: Hello :-)
[18:46] <caravena> -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1796422 You added the tag 'rls-cc-incoming'
[19:00] <infinity> vorlon, mdeslaur, kees, stgraber: Tee Bee.
[19:00] <mdeslaur> infinity: ack
[19:04] <jbicha> caravena: it's used to suggest that that bug should be a priority for fixing for the CC (Cosmic) release
[19:05] <jbicha> bugs with that tag will show up on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[19:05] <jbicha> bugs can be fixed without that tag too
[19:15] <caravena> jbicha: Excellent! Thank you


[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Battery Day! 😃
[14:06] <kivi> bzoltan, zbenjamin So its been like a year, you gonna merge my patch into qtcreator?
[14:06] <kivi> lp:~akiva/qtcreator-plugin-autopilot/added-copyright-license-header
[14:22] <ahayzen> timp, Hey, i've reported bug 1547038 (about the tabbar issues) when building the mini-app it only started happening after i had made a the sidebar a Page with the PageHeader as well i think
[14:22] <ahayzen> timp, i'll see if i can get it any further, but any pointers to even a workaround would be useful, as it would be nice not to have the issue in the MWC demos
[14:26] <ahayzen> timp, also note i haven't been able to reproduce on the desktop when using the latest UITK trunk branch
[14:54] <timp> ahayzen: ideally, don't use PageStack and Tabs any more. But that probably is a too big change to make now.
[14:54] <timp> ahayzen: thanks for reporting the bug
[14:54] <ahayzen> timp, what should we use?
[14:55] <timp> ahayzen: AdaptivePageLayout
[14:55] <timp> ahayzen: why is the sidebar a Page?
[14:55] <ahayzen> too many bugs ;-)
[14:55] <ahayzen> that gave me the header: thing
[14:55] <ahayzen> timp, or should i just be able to use an Item {} with a PageHeader on its own ? somehow
[14:55] <timp> yes, you can do that
[14:56] <ahayzen> i'll try doing that
[14:56] <timp> the Page simply puts the header on top of the other children. So you could have an Item where you add the PageHeader last, or set PageHeader.z
[14:57] <ahayzen> timp, also i've managed to style the bg of the PageHeader with StyleHints {backgroundColor: mainView.headerColor} ... can i also theme the leadingaction popover thing ?
[14:57] <ahayzen> timp, and that'll do the automatic slide in/out stuff as well?
[14:57] <ahayzen> (as you scroll the flickable)
[14:57] <ahayzen> i guess you link the PageHeader.flickable ?
[14:57] <timp> ahayzen: yes, if you set PageHeader.flickable it will slide in and out
[15:00] <timp> ahayzen: we don't have the overflow panel or its delegates exposed via the style now
[15:00] <mhall119> bzoltan: hey, for GSoC could somebody on your team mentor a student working with design team to fix UITK components?
[15:00] <ahayzen> timp, ah, shouldn't it match the style of the header background? though
[15:01] <timp> ahayzen: the header takes its default colors from the palette, and so does the overflow. So if you provide a custom palette for your app, all the colors should be updated.
[15:02] <timp> ahayzen: the new palette stuff is quite recent. I'm not sure if we have a tutorial for that
[15:02] <timp> zsombi: ^ do we have a tutorial for how to provide a custom palette for an app?
[15:02] <zsombi> timp: we have something in the theming tutorial
[15:02] <zsombi> timp: which, lik eeverything else in d-u-c is burried in the void
[15:03] <timp> zsombi: maybe it is time for a new blog post about the palette :)
[15:03] <timp> zsombi: I plan to work on a new header blogpost next week
[15:04] <ahayzen> timp, hmm we have just set the theme
[15:04] <zsombi> timp: well, sure... I was about to have one, but first we'd need something in theming, which would choose the palette valueset based on some state of the component
[15:05] <ahayzen> styling is something we need to redo :-)
[15:05] <zsombi> ahayzen: styling?
[15:05] <ahayzen> colours/themes :-)
[15:06] <zsombi> ahayzen: waiting for clarification/suggestions :)
[15:06] <ahayzen> some are fixed some are referencing at QtObject with values lol
[15:06] <ahayzen> we were waiting for the sdk to have proper things :-)
[15:06] <zsombi> like?
[15:06] <zsombi> ahayzen: could you be less criptic please :)
[15:06] <tedg> popey: I got alecu stuck on Don't Crash. ;-)
[15:06] <popey> haha
[15:07] <ahayzen> zsombi, well just colouring things like buttons, header bars etc currently is done very badly in the music-app
[15:07] <ahayzen> something like StyleHints {} and the Theming stuff looks good though
[15:07] <zsombi> ahayzen: I see... we're trying to land a pretty big change on that front :)
[15:07] <ahayzen> we just haven't updated it yet
[15:08] <ahayzen> as we were waiting for your stuff to land :-)
[15:08] <ahayzen> timp, i think removing that Page thing, has fixed the issue!
[15:08] <zsombi> ahayzen: ok, so you know then about the biiiiig palette update, right?
[15:08] <ahayzen> i remember hearing about something
[15:08] <timp> ahayzen: great. Can you comment that you have the workaround on the bug report, I'll make it Medium importance then.
[15:09] <zsombi> ahayzen: ok, so let me spoil some stuff ;)
[15:09]  * ahayzen has been playing about with http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquickcontrolsstyles-index.html as well recently
[15:09] <ahayzen> but that is for a different project
[15:09] <ahayzen> timp, awesome thanks, so it seems the second Page confuses things somehow :-) thanks for your advice
[15:09] <zsombi> ahayzen: so, palette will have now all together 5 valuesets
[15:10] <zsombi> ahayzen: in addition, the palette layering is much more granular than it used to be
[15:10] <ahayzen> woooo \o/
[15:10] <ahayzen> zsombi, when is it planned for?
[15:10] <ahayzen> UITK1.4 or something? ;-)
[15:11] <timp> (drumroll....)
[15:12] <timp> ok, if zsombi doesn't answer ;) in UITK 1.3 OTA10
[15:12] <zsombi> ahayzen: like background and base text has sublayers, secondary and tertiary ones, then we have raised, which is in between foreground and overlay, negative, positive notion, activity, etc
[15:12] <ahayzen> hehe
[15:12] <ahayzen> zsombi, sounds awesome :-)
[15:13] <zsombi> ahayzen: timp: I was trying to type... you restless minds... :D
[15:13] <ahayzen> timp, one other thing i'm having issues with the PageHeader is, when i hit my search action it doesn't focus the TextField even though i have things like forceActiveFocus()
[15:13] <zsombi> ahayzen: then the Palette has normal, selected, inactive, selectedInactive and highlighted value sets
[15:13] <ahayzen> zsombi, i look forward to it :-)
[15:14] <zsombi> ahayzen: this is one step... we need to add a way for a styled item to get the appropriate palette value for a given state, i.e. normal, selected, inactive, highlighted
[15:15] <timp> ahayzen: hmm, that issue sounds vaguely familiar.  But I haven't worked on focus..
[15:15] <timp> kalikiana: ^ do you know if we have a bug for that? (TextField in PageHeader does not focus even with forceActiveFocus())
[15:15] <ahayzen> timp, ok :-) if it tap the TextField, then press back and the action again, *then* it works
[15:16] <ahayzen> timp, where should the forceActiveFocus() be? i tried putting it in the onVisible and onStateChanged
[15:25] <timp> ahayzen: I don't know, that's why I asked kalikiana if he knows more :)
[15:25] <ahayzen> :-)
[15:45] <kalikiana> timp: ahayzen I'm trying to find the bug report... I hit a problem with that as far as a year back and I know it was tracked...
[15:46] <ahayzen> kalikiana, for the PageHeader ?
[15:46] <ahayzen> it works with the old style headers
[15:46] <kalikiana> timp: ahayzen this was it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1378231
[15:47] <ahayzen> that is head.contents, that one works :-) (and is what we were using before)
[15:48] <ahayzen> but i translated to using the PageHeader and now it doesn't work :-/
[15:53] <kalikiana> ahayzen: so you're doing basically the same, new property?
[15:54] <ahayzen> kalikiana, it is basically exactly the same code just bound to Page.header instead of Page.head :-)
[15:55] <ahayzen> kalikiana, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/convergence-tabs-with-sidebar-01/view/head:/app/components/HeadState/SearchHeadState.qml is our head state
[15:57] <kalikiana> ahayzen: what if you do .focus = true instead? have you tried that?
[15:57] <ahayzen> kalikiana, i'll try it :-)
[15:57] <ahayzen> kalikiana, and should it do it on the onVisible ? or the onStateChanged ?
[15:58] <ahayzen> timp, does the PageHeader have the ability to lock? or should i just unset the flickable ?
[15:58] <kalikiana> ahayzen: from how I read the code it'd be the same thing
[15:59] <ahayzen> yeah :-) that's what i thought
[15:59] <ahayzen> i was initially thinking something magical was happing before :-)
[16:00] <kalikiana> I'm wondering if some internal visible changes could be happening - considering the bug in the old API was never a bug in the Header, but in TextField, this one on the other hand is a bug in the PageHeader
[16:01] <kalikiana> (or that's my opinion so far anyway)
[16:01] <timp> ahayzen: yes, unset the flickable
[16:01] <ahayzen> timp, thanks :-)
[16:02] <ahayzen> kalikiana, ok so i can see the onVisible doesn't happen, and if i do it in the onStateChanged that fires, but nothing happens when it is set to true
[16:03] <kalikiana> so the focus however you do it wouldn't happen in the first place
[16:04] <ahayzen> kalikiana, i'm doing it on the onStateChanged as well
[16:04] <ahayzen> kalikiana, i can see the focus changing to true, but the keyboard is not raised
[16:04] <kalikiana> ahayzen: but the state changes in response to focus? how can that happen if visible doesn't trigger a signal?
[16:05] <ahayzen> kalikiana, no the state of the page, from 'default' to 'search' to then run the PageHeadState
[16:06] <kalikiana> ah, right, visible only affects default
[16:07] <kalikiana> Hmmm
[16:07] <timp> ahayzen: the PageHeadStates are not very flexible. With the PageHeader, you could accomplish it by having different instances of PageHeader, like this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/PageHeaders.qml
[16:08] <timp> dunno if that would help with the focus issue
[16:08] <ahayzen> timp, that's what we have :-)
[16:08] <timp> oh, okay :)
[16:08] <ahayzen> timp, we have a default page head state, search head state, multiselect etc
[16:09] <ahayzen> just when the search head state is 'selected' it runs the focus=true and forceActiveFocus() ... but the textfield doesn't actually focus and cause the keyboard to be raised :-/
[16:09] <timp> ahayzen: is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/convergence-tabs-with-sidebar-01/view/head:/app/components/HeadState/SearchHeadState.qml old or what you have now?
[16:09] <ahayzen> timp, latest i have in that branch
[16:10] <timp> ahayzen: ah, in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/PageHeaders.qml I don't use a state at all, I just replace the PageHeader. Of course you could do that with a state too.
[16:10] <ahayzen> timp, eg they are used here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/convergence-tabs-with-sidebar-01/view/head:/app/ui/Albums.qml#L35
[17:57] <bzoltan> mhall119: I am sure that it can be arranged, yes
[18:58] <mhall119> thanks bzoltan
[19:00] <bzoltan> mhall119:  other... about the API control and docs. We have kicked off a project to finally sort out all the issues related to frameworks and APIs. We have a weekly call where we focus on technical issues and progress. One inmportant part of the story is how the API docs get published for the various frameworks and API provides. Do you want to join or delegate somebody to that work?
[19:01] <mhall119> bzoltan: I will do the work needed on the developer.u.c side, what time are those calls?
[19:02] <bzoltan> mhall119: 9am for you on Wednesday
[19:02] <mhall119> ok, do you need me every week, or just as the need arises?
[19:06] <bzoltan> mhall119: the idea so far is that eac API provider module (UITK, Oxide, Scopes, etc) will produce a [module]-[version].api file what will describe the API. Whenever an API is changing the version number of that API will be automatically bumped. API versions are not package or framework versions.. they are simple incremental labels of the API. Once an image (phone or desktop iso) is created these .api files will be collected and if any of the APIs
[19:06] <bzoltan> chnaged then a new framework will be registered. All these fully automatic. Once a framework is created the doc packages of the APIs un that framework will be collected and they should be published on the d.u.c under the freshly created framework category
[19:06] <bzoltan> mhall119:  does it make sense?
[19:16] <mhall119> I think so, so the .api file would correspond to a change in import version in QML?
[19:16] <mhall119> Ubuntu.Components 1.3, 1.4, etc?
[19:17] <mhall119> and the frameworks would still be 15.04.4, 15.04.4, etc
[19:18] <mhall119> bzoltan: will there be any indication of what framework the existing overlay PPA is working on?
[19:19] <mhall119> I assume we'll have a frozen stable framework label, and a moving target development framework label
[19:19] <mhall119> or are we dropping the moving development frameworks and only creating stable ones?
[19:19] <bzoltan> mhall119:  In case of QML APIs the .api file will correspond to a change in import _AND_ even on a lower level change.
[19:20] <bzoltan> mhall119: So if we add an extra property to a component and keep the 1.3 import version then the uitk-X.api will be bumped... even if the import version stays the same
[19:22] <bzoltan> mhall119:  and yes, the Overay PPA will have a framework version too what will be the same as the last OTA's fw version as long an API provider does not pump its own API version and so forces the framework to bump too
[19:24] <bzoltan> mhall119:  So in practice... imagine that we have released the OTA67 with the 15.04.44 framework (these versions should be and will be somehow in sync) ... we open the OTA68 development in the Overlay PPA with the same 15.04.44 framework... because the APIs are still the same. But when a new  UITK  version land in the Overlay PPA what implements a brand new component then the 15.04.45 fw will be created  and that fw will collect the development
[19:24] <bzoltan> changes.
[19:26] <mhall119> bzoltan: how can you keep the same import version when you add a new property?
[19:26] <mhall119> what if an app uses that new property on a phone with the original version of the component?
[19:27] <bzoltan> mhall119: the same way how we keep it and how Qt keeps it. The import versions are not API versions neither framework versions.
[19:27] <mhall119> bzoltan: ok, one problem with leaving the framework version unchanged after an OTA is that the website will import new API docs every day, but apply them to a supposedly frozen framework version
[19:28] <bzoltan> mhall119:  that will be not possible... new property -> new uitk.api version -> new fw
[19:28] <mhall119> bzoltan: so how does it work then, if my app calls Component.foo on a phone without that property
[19:28] <bzoltan> mhall119:  well, that automatic importing is something what we need t work out to make it smart
[19:28] <bzoltan> mhall119:  It is up to what fw the app is binded to
[19:29] <mhall119> bzoltan: ok, so a new property will force the creation of a new framework, even if Ubuntu.Components stays on 1.3
[19:30] <mhall119> bzoltan: it sounds like maybe I should disable the automatic nightly imports of API docs, and go back to a manual trigger?
[19:31] <mhall119> or make a dedicated "development" series that gets the nightly import, and then manually clone that when an OTA and framework are released
[20:07] <bzoltan> mhall119:  yes a new property will trigger a new framework
[20:08] <bzoltan> mhall119:  yes, the development focus could be pulled in as often as we want and the released OTAs should have their own categories
[20:15] <mhall119> bzoltan: ok, I'll switch gears to that then
[20:16] <bzoltan> mhall119:  super, but let's chat sometimes on that Wednesday call, so we all understand each others plans :)
[20:17] <mhall119> ok


[11:24] <lamont> Riddell: vim hates you
[11:31] <lamont> #8567
[01:05] <motaboy> Hi all :D
[11:38] <motaboy> I noticed that the kde.mk in the kdebase and other debian dirs is more updated than the one present in the latest cdbs
[11:38] <motaboy> I don't know the cdbs's history, is there a reason?
[11:39] <motaboy> Riddell: I've got a local (non formatted) copy of KubuntuHelp that was lost with the wiki restore.
[11:39] <motaboy> do you need it?
[12:02] <Riddell> motaboy: I spose I do, has the wiki been haxxored or something?
[12:02] <motaboy> Riddell: they have resetted it again... :(
[12:02] <motaboy> Riddell: I really hope that it can be restored.
[12:03] <motaboy> Riddell: BTW, systempreferences and metabar ready.
[12:03] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm going to test the first one :D
[12:03] <Riddell> reset to what?
[12:03] <motaboy> Riddell: resetted to 1 april 08:00
[12:04] <motaboy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/recentchanges
[12:07] <Riddell> any reason for that?