[13:52] <road66> hey, test
[14:54] <dholbach> dpm, are you going to set up the hangout?
[14:55] <dpm> dholbach, I thought you were, but I can do it, no worries. Let me get it set up
[14:55] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:58] <dpm> dholbach, done. Here's the hangout URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYc_3H7bJnlyuZSlFgySyh51U2XTObkggYetLc4C_Cq6PKTSmQ
[14:58] <dholbach> muchas gracias!
[15:00] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join the hangout?
[15:00] <dholbach> we're talking about ubuntu app dev schools
[15:01] <dholbach> looks like we're live :-)
[15:01] <mrjazzcat> Yup, can here you
[15:02] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-community-1403-appdev-schools
[15:02] <mrjazzcat> :) hear
[15:03] <PabloRubianes> hear
[15:06] <dpm> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2677/
[15:11] <dholbach> any feedback from anyone in here? want to join the hangout?
[15:40] <dholbach> any feedback from anyone in here? does anyone want to join the hangout?
[15:54] <dpm> another productive session with dholbach!
[15:54]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[15:55]  * dpm hugs back :)
[17:52] <balloons> hangout details are up: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22176/quality-community-roundtable/
[17:58] <veebers> balloons: hey, thomi has asked me to take his place on the roundtable as he may be a little late
[17:58] <balloons> hey veebers :-) good morning
[17:58] <balloons> for anyone interested in joing: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe6AHhYpKK0mnVtN--a1BsFg4lpgW-oVVoEAmXk4NVsPlIK2Q?authuser=1&hl=en
[17:58] <veebers> balloons: morning :-)
[17:59] <balloons> this is a rather open session, so if you don't join, you'll just get a quick rambling from me and that's it :-)
[18:15] <thomi> Sorry I'm late!
[18:16] <thomi> If I missed anything, please let me know
[18:20] <thomi> Would like to remind all AP test authors that they should attend the AP session
[18:20] <thomi> which is....
[18:20] <thomi> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22175/autopilot-roundtable/
[18:21] <thomi> balloons: care to talk about the dev API docs integration work?
[18:21] <thomi> i.e.- who's doing it, when it'll be done, and what we can expect?
[18:22] <thomi> right - I only care about autopilot
[18:22] <thomi> currently you need to know the magic link to get to the docs
[18:22] <thomi> i.e.- http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/autopilot/
[18:23] <thomi> would be great to see a link on the front page, for example
[18:26] <thomi> If the site is built with python, you can use docutils to embed the navigation maybe. but.. specifics... a topic for another time perhaps
[18:28] <balloons> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/mobile/how-to-write-autopilot-tests/
[18:30] <thomi> balloons: sure thing
[18:30] <balloons> thanks everyone ;-)
[18:30] <balloons> short and sweet
[18:31] <thomi> cheers!
[18:59] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfJe8M7kujCZYYODanI5Z3HNyhoJllmgp7xw2k0RHWDn8XzxA?authuser=1&hl=en for those who want to join the video
[19:01] <mhall119> aquarius: want to join this one too?
[19:01] <aquarius> mhall119, can't, I'm afraid -- phone calls
[19:02] <achiang> mhall119: let's assign all the work items to aquarius then
[19:04] <dobey> oh awesome
[19:04] <dobey> i can't hear anything
[19:04] <cwayne> i cant either
[19:04] <dobey> mhall119: are you muted?
[19:04] <achiang> we just unmuted him
[19:05] <achiang> video should catch up in a bit
[19:09] <dobey> achiang: boto?
[19:09] <achiang> dobey: yeah, we put that into the pad
[19:22] <cwayne> LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU
[19:33] <dobey> mhall119, achiang: an apt:// link to the package might be a good interim
[19:35] <cwayne> it should
[19:35] <dobey> yeah
[19:36] <dobey> genearting a pdf from docbook or sphinx shouldn't be too hard either
[19:39] <cwayne> 8 and up
[19:44] <achiang> any other irc questions?
[19:45] <cwayne> nope
[19:45] <dobey> nope


[00:34] <jcgs> Hi :) does anyone know what identities are for in kmail? I've got 3 email accounts which I'd like it to check, do i need different identites for them?
[00:42] <claydoh> jcgs: no, you can use the same identity for more than 1
[00:43] <jcgs> claydoh: what's the difference between doing that, and having separate identities?
[00:44] <claydoh> jcgs: i use identities for each of my emails as I use them for different purposes, so i have different signatures, different names, etc
[00:44] <claydoh> one has my fullname, while another uses my nickname for xample
[00:45] <jcgs> ok :) thanks, but does it mean that things are sorted differently for example, or auto selecting the right address to send from
[00:46] <claydoh> each email usually has its own inbox, or can be set up that way
[00:47] <claydoh> hmm
[00:48] <claydoh> i think you pick a default mail address
[00:48] <claydoh> been a while since I used a single identity
[00:48] <claydoh> hmmm
[00:52] <claydoh> replies are sent using the originating email,  not sure how  you compose using a particular address
[00:53] <claydoh> without having identities
[00:55] <mas> #list
[00:57] <Rokixz> hi, any discussions about kmail? :D
[00:58] <Rokixz> I cannot view inbox in my imap, only spam :D
[00:58] <Rokixz> I get errors like "Unable to append item flags."
[01:05] <jcgs> Cheers claydoh, I went for the different identites anyway, seems it's pretty easy to switch e-mail accounts between than
[01:05] <claydoh> yes, jcgs it is
[01:07] <claydoh> Rokixz: not sure on that error, but if you haven't I do suggest upgrading to kde 4.8, which will fix a lot of error messages, problems in kmail
[01:08] <claydoh> tho not necessarily all
[01:08] <claydoh> i have not seen that problem myself
[01:10] <claydoh> Rokixz: filtering may be broken, may want to try disabling that to see if it a cause of that for you
[01:10] <Rokixz> claydoh, I did upgrade to 4.8, I'll try to disable the filtering :)
[01:11] <claydoh> wost case scenario Rokixz would be to delete and recreate the imap account :(
[01:12] <Rokixz> ok, just recreated gmail acc
[01:12] <Rokixz> and still received that notification
[01:13] <Rokixz> and where should I disable filtering?
[01:14] <claydoh> did you add a spam filter?
[01:14] <Rokixz> nope
[01:14] <Rokixz> I just installed kubuntu and configured
[01:14] <Rokixz> I had same issue under Arch
[01:15] <Rokixz> after 4.8 upgrade
[01:15] <claydoh> then its not the problem :(
[01:15] <Rokixz> seems to be an upstream bug
[01:15] <Rokixz> as I saw on google, but damn I thought there is a solution for it :)
[01:15] <claydoh> kmail is an upstream bug :(
[01:23] <uberdub> man, 11.1 is about as stable for me as charlie manson off his meds
[01:23] <uberdub> logs dont seem to show anything really
[01:24] <uberdub> can any one help trouble shoot?
[01:25] <uberdub> sleep/suspend is iffy, and random freezes
[01:25] <uberdub> I can pastebin my logs if necessary
[02:22] <ankou> fff$
[02:26] <Holi0syS> hello:)
[02:29] <Holi0syS> Just installed Kubuntu 10.04 and it's not mounting my ipad, anyone having the same issues or does anyone know what I need to install to make it work?
[03:56] <tempo> is there a way to revert to the stable versions of firefox and thunderbird in 12.04 alpha?
[03:56] <draikx> Hello all. I've had this issue for a while, but just "lived with it". I have 2 monitors. My main monitor is 19" VGA, and my secondary display is a flatscreen TV via HDMI. The desktop on the TV is a bit bigger than display of the TV. Is there a way to fix this?
[04:22] <Daskreech> tempo: install them manually then pin them
[04:22] <signal09> anyone have any issues after upgrading to KDE 4.8 and knows how to solve it:  dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkactivities-bin_4%3a4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_amd64.deb
[04:32] <Daskreech> signal09: what does apt-get dist-upgrade do?
[04:36] <signal09> Daskreech, forces me to run apt-get -f install; which of course complains about the dpkg error above
[04:36] <Daskreech> apt-get install libkactivities-bin
[04:37] <signal09> Daskreech, threw "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd', which is also in package kde-runtime 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1"
[04:38] <signal09> been searching around google, but no solution :(
[04:41] <Daskreech> :-/
[04:41] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy kde-runtime
[04:43] <signal09> actually just grabbed the new .deb package and tried a dpkg -i --force-all;  see if it clears it up
[04:43] <signal09> WQOOHOO
[04:43] <signal09> worked
[04:44] <signal09> i should note; i went from ubuntu 11.10, added sources for KDE 4.8 then upgraded
[04:46] <signal09> gotta reboot.. thank Daskreech  for the help tho
[04:46] <Daskreech> ok
[05:44] <mink> anyone know how to disable the windows from snapping/resizing on screen edge in KDE?
[06:02] <Daskreech> mink: alt+f2 -> Screen edges
[08:37] <arlen89> does anyone have experience with removing dual boot linux/linux grub2 config so that the second system is removed--i.e., i have kubuntu/xubuntu and wish to remove xubuntu?
[08:39] <arlen89> more specifically--is it as simple as modifying the grub.d file to remove references to the xubuntu parts, and then using a partition editor to remove the partitions and expand the kubuntu partitions over it?
[08:43] <NeuhNeuh> o/
[08:45] <Daskreech> \o
[08:45] <Daskreech> arlen89: yes pretty much
[08:45] <Daskreech> !grub
[08:46] <Daskreech> you can always restore if anything
[08:49] <arlen89> Daskreech: true. i tend to be annoyingly cautious when doing something for the first time. thank you.
[09:40] <skierpage> I have a bunch of files on my Windows laptop next to this Kubuntu machine. What's the easiest way to network them so I can directly copy them to directories on Kubuntu? How do I turn on a ssh/sftp daemon, or export a home directory as a network share?
[09:41] <skierpage> System Settings > Sharing doesn't have anything.
[09:45] <skierpage> Search help.ubuntu.com for network sharing "11.10" coughs up nothing useful. It's so trivially easy from Sharing in Mac OS X...
[09:54] <skierpage> I guess I install openssh-server and f*** around with `sshd [-46DdeiqTt] ` <sigh>
[09:56] <ts2> or, enable sharing on the windows box and just copy the files over
[09:59] <skierpage> ts2, good point, though when I've enable folder sharing on Windows Vista the disk grinds away for ages, dunno which would take longer ;-)
[10:01] <ts2> well windows doesn't use NFS by default, so you'd need to install putty to share files from windows if you want to use ssh
[10:05] <skierpage> ts2, I already have WinSCP (based on Putty I think). Pleasant surprise: I installed openssh-server package, `sudo service ssh restart`, and sftp me@<localIP> works!
[11:42] <vyrgozunqk> guys anyone using broadcom 4313 on kubuntu 64 bits ?!
[11:42] <coder2> Hello. Just installed kubuntu 11.10.  No sound at all. Please help
[11:43] <vyrgozunqk> because i cannot cannect to any network
[11:43] <vyrgozunqk> its using brcmsmac driver and if i try to connect i got stuck on configuring hardware
[11:43] <vyrgozunqk> and if i'm lucky my pc is not blocked
[11:44] <coder2> My sound hardware is integrated NVidia ALC888
[12:23] <abhijeet> hi guys.. recently i switched from ubuntu to Kubuntu...
[12:23] <Mamarok> and?
[12:23] <abhijeet> I am stuck with a basic task.. I am not able to add desktop icons in kubuntu
[12:23] <abhijeet> when i dragging and dropping icons from kmenu, it is not working..
[12:24] <Mamarok> abhijeet: if you go to the menu, right click on the application you want to add an icon for and there you have the option
[12:25] <abhijeet> Mamarok: I is adding the icons to the desktop but to the desktop folder.
[12:25] <abhijeet> Mamarok: how can i add the icons to the desktop folder.
[12:25] <Mamarok> you can't add icons to the desktop folder, that is showing the content of a particular folder only
[12:26] <Mamarok> add the icons to the desktop, and in the desktop folder options choose to display the desktop
[12:26] <Mamarok> but it doesn't really make much sense that way :)
[12:27] <abhijeet> Mamarok: okay....
[12:39] <abhijeet> Mamarok: another doubt.. how can i resize the icons size in the desktop??
[12:43] <Mamarok> hover over it, there is a option bar appearing, the icon on top allows you to resize
[12:48] <abhijeet> Mamarok: okay.. actually it is already smallest... check this link: http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-WCtfPlye.png
[12:48] <abhijeet> my icons are not properly aligned..
[12:48] <abhijeet> I faced the same issue some time back
[12:52] <abhijeet> Mamarok: anyway I can align them properly??
[12:55] <yofel> abhijeet: there is a grid desktop option as desktop type, maybe that helps. I've never used it though
[12:56] <abhijeet> yofel: where is that option?
[12:56] <yofel> right click on desktop -> Layout:
[12:56] <yofel> er, settings -> Layout:
[12:57] <abhijeet> yofel: it's not there.. I can only see 1 View 2. Mouse action
[12:57] <yofel> abhijeet: at the View part, there's a drop down box for the Layout
[12:57] <yofel> unless that has changed since 4.7...
[12:58] <abhijeet> yofel: yes.. i think it has changed in 4.8..
[12:59] <photon> hi. does kubuntu support 3d video files if I have a 3d video card/monitor?
[12:59] <abhijeet> I am able to resize icons by hand but I d't think its correct process.
[12:59] <abhijeet> yofel: why this KDE is so hard to use...
[12:59] <yofel> it was there in 4.7 though, possibly called differently
[12:59] <abhijeet> I am not even able to do the basic tasks.
[12:59] <yofel> I'm fine with it - and I have the icons in the panel anyway
[13:00] <abhijeet> yofel: panel layout is missing from that list
[13:00] <yofel> uh, the panel settings are in the panel settings. As every panel can have it's own settings
[13:01] <yofel> it's not everything in the same window
[13:01] <abhijeet> ok
[13:03] <yofel> for application I often use I usually just stick them on the panel by right clicking their taks manager item and selecting "show a launcher when not running"
[13:03] <yofel> win7 style
[13:03] <abhijeet> yofel: I think most settings are there in the folder view..
[13:03] <abhijeet> yofel: let me check if that works
[13:05] <yofel> in which folder view btw. - the folder view widget, or do you have your desktop type set to show the desktop folder contents?
[13:07] <yofel> hm yeah, the grid desktop can align stuff
[13:13] <photon> hi. does kubuntu support 3d video files if I have a 3d video card/monitor?
[13:15] <sleepy> photon no problem use vlc :)
[13:16] <sleepy> vlc can play 3d whitout any problem :)
[13:16] <photon> sleepy: ok :) thanks
[13:19] <sleepy> photon or look here http://stream-recorder.com/forum/stereoscopic-player-linux-play-3d-video-linux-t8452.html :)
[13:37] <excognac> hello. How do I know the grub bootloader belongs to which distro if they are using the same home? (There are windows partitions and mind and kubuntu all in separate partition, plus the home)
[13:37] <photon> sleepy: cool thanks! I didn't know you can even make them appear as red-cyan output.
[13:41] <sleepy> photon no problem :)
[14:18] <datruth> my system seems to be stuck in UTC mode how can I fix this?
[14:19] <datruth> nvm
[14:19] <datruth> fixed it
[15:38] <andreas_> Hi, I face problems with my Lenovo T520 docking station. xrandr shows only VGA and LVDS1; DVI and display port are missing. What can I do about it?
[15:53] <starkgeist> помогите. Крашиться Muon. что делать?
[16:12] <liudas> Stackbit, try updating / upgrading muon it self
[16:13] <liudas> Stackbit, vis konsole
[16:56] <BluesKaj> hey all
[17:33] <lorecaster> looking for help with ubuntu 11.10... am i in the wrong place?
[17:33] <Tm_T> lorecaster: depends of your problem (:
[17:33] <BennyPlayboy> Hi everyone!
[17:34] <BennyPlayboy> I'm looking for some help
[17:34] <Tm_T> !helpme
[17:34] <Tm_T> no, not that...
[17:34] <Tm_T> !ask
[17:34] <Tm_T> (:
[17:35] <lorecaster> thanks, tm_t, I tried to install KDE Plasma Widgets to my GNOME3 Ubuntu 11.10 install... and now I've got broken packages. I tried doing a "sudo apt-get install -f" and I've got a page of errors. I've got a pastebin for you if you like.
[17:35] <Tm_T> lorecaster: show it and we'll see (:
[17:35] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/6i3dWsqb
[17:36] <Tm_T> lorecaster: oh, interesting
[17:37] <lorecaster> I appreciate it. I'm not exactly green at linux... but I haven't done any heavy programming in nearly ten years. GNOME3 is everything I ever wanted, if only AUTOCAD2012 worked as well in virtualization as it does in native win7... but that's another matter entirely. I have fallen in love, again, with ubuntu... and I am honoured to have what help you guys can render.
[17:37] <BennyPlayboy> Today I installed Kubuntu on my laptop, but it seems as my neworkcard isn't supported... I tried to update drivers while using an ethernet cable, but no luck. On my Windows partition I can use it, so there's nothing wrong with the card itself.
[17:37] <BennyPlayboy> Anyone know what the problem may be?
[17:37] <Tm_T> !wireless
[17:38] <Tm_T> BennyPlayboy: I'm not good with that stuff so hopefully the docs ^ there do help
[17:38] <BennyPlayboy> Thanks.:) I'll check if the card is supported
[17:38] <lorecaster> Tm_T: I'm so pleased to have intregued you, haha
[17:39] <Tm_T> lorecaster: try install kde-runtime, what does it do then?
[17:40] <lorecaster> ick :| grabbing the pastebin for you now.
[17:40] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/aHrY2KkD
[17:41] <Tm_T> lorecaster: can I see your sources.list too?
[17:42] <Tm_T> lorecaster: and possible ppa's you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:43] <Tm_T> brb
[17:43] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/wMZPg7rW
[17:43] <lorecaster> thanks
[17:43] <lorecaster> and syre.
[17:43] <cypr1nus> hello, is there any app to configure mouse buttons (like additional buttions placed in modern mice) ?
[17:43] <cypr1nus> some K app?
[17:46] <kadir> Hİ
[17:53] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  which card is it ?
[17:55] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: It's a Broadcom BCM4311 14e4:4331
[17:55] <aguitel> how to restore to default items in  kde menu ?
[17:55] <BennyPlayboy> It should work according t the list
[17:55] <BluesKaj> !bcm43
[17:55] <BluesKaj> !bcm
[17:56] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  that's probly the most common wifi card and it's definitely supported
[17:57] <lorecaster> here you go, Tm_T, http://pastebin.com/DryyeZQR
[17:58] <BennyPlayboy> Yeah, but it's not installed with Kubuntu, and once I update drivers I still don't have the opportunity to eneble wireless network. In fact, I can't even see the "WLAN Interface"
[17:58] <BennyPlayboy> I've tried updating/installing drivers with no luck...
[18:01] <Tm_T> lorecaster: what happens if you do apt-get update and try install again that kde-runtime?
[18:01] <Tm_T> lorecaster: if it still fails, show me your kubuntu-ppa-backports-oneiric.list
[18:03] <Guest84719> sorry to butt in, maybe this has already been mentioned - have you definitely checked it is on at a hardware level (i.e. if it is a laptop is the wireless 'on')
[18:04] <lorecaster> I really admire you guys... I wish I had the time to learn this much base programming structure again
[18:06] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/BDbg8d3Z
[18:06] <BennyPlayboy> Guest84719: Yes, it is. It's even working on Windows, which really scares me, as Windows sucks compared to Linux.
[18:07] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/WJPYS90V
[18:08] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  , i'm quite sure it's a kernelmodule that just needs to be loaded , try sudo modprobe b43
[18:08] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/h8JfBaqm
[18:08] <lorecaster> this is what I get for playing around and installing new programs :P I'm learning a lot though! :D
[18:09] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: Uhmm... It didn't do anything at all?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  , good thay means no errors
[18:10] <BluesKaj> that
[18:10] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  try a relogin or reboot
[18:11] <Tm_T> lorecaster: for some reason, your kde doesn't get upgraded as a whole
[18:11] <BennyPlayboy> Okay, will do
[18:12] <lorecaster> Tm_T: That's about the only thing I was managed to figure out on my own :P I'm not as green as I used to be... but I'm far from the programmer I wish I was.
[18:13] <Tm_T> lorecaster: so I suggest you add more kde packages to your "sudo apt-get install <list of packages>" until you get the breakthrough
[18:14] <Tm_T> lorecaster: you prolly end up having some package removed in order to proceed
[18:14] <Tm_T> hi skfin
[18:15] <skfin> hi Tm_T
[18:15] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: The checkbox for "Enable wireless" comes up now, but I still don't have the opportunity to even select the WLAN Interface
[18:15] <skfin> My irssi hanged up and ate my server's cpu
[18:15] <lorecaster> I'm completely comfortable removing all the existing KDE packages... i wouldn't even know which ones to add in order to patch this.
[18:16] <Tm_T> lorecaster: do you want to remove the whole KDE? that can be done too
[18:16] <Tm_T> !puregnome | lorecaster
[18:17] <BluesKaj> ok BennyPlayboy , try this in the terminal , first . sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[18:17] <lorecaster> sudo: aptitude: command not found
[18:17] <lorecaster> -le sigh-
[18:18] <BluesKaj> lorecaster,   try sudo apt-get
[18:18] <lorecaster> I figured, but didn't want to risk more complications :P thanks peeps!
[18:19] <lorecaster> more errors...
[18:19] <Tm_T> sounds ... fun
[18:19] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/ckYGPVxK
[18:19] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
[18:19] <BennyPlayboy> At the first line
[18:20] <Tm_T> lorecaster: proceed with the guide, as that step went as expected
[18:21] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  ok do ifconfig , and pastebin the results , so we can look at your networking ssetup
[18:21] <lorecaster> yeah... the manual removal... just reading it is painful :P thanks everyone.
[18:24] <lorecaster> got more errors it seems ... http://pastebin.com/Ct6DPW26 ... going to restart in a second and return if there is more trouble.
[18:30] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj:
[18:30] <BennyPlayboy> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1d:72:01:09:aa
[18:30] <BennyPlayboy> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
[18:30] <BennyPlayboy> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[18:30] <BennyPlayboy> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[18:30] <BennyPlayboy> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[18:30] <FloodBotK1> BennyPlayboy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:31] <BennyPlayboy> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1d:72:01:09:aa
[18:31] <BennyPlayboy> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
[18:31] <BennyPlayboy> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[18:31] <BennyPlayboy> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[18:31] <BennyPlayboy> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[18:31] <FloodBotK1> BennyPlayboy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:31] <BennyPlayboy> RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  did you relogin or reboot previously , i should have suggested a reboot , not  the relogin option
[18:32] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | BennyPlayboy
[18:32] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: I rebooted
[18:32] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  i forgot one command that i should have suggested , sudo dhclient wlan0
[18:34] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: It says: "Cannot find device "wlan0""
[18:40] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  hmm, wonder why your wifi card isn't responding , do, lspci , and look for braodcom wireless mobile or some such .
[18:45] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: The only things I find is "Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[18:45] <BennyPlayboy> and "Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02), but I guess the Ethernet one doesn't really matter.
[18:47] <BluesKaj> BCM4311 WLAN is you wifi card , BennyPlayboy , and I'm puzzled by it's total lack of response to any commands .
[18:47] <BennyPlayboy> Yes, it's indeed really weird...
[18:48] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  I assume this is a laptop ?
[18:48] <BennyPlayboy> Yes, that's right
[18:49] <BennyPlayboy> Why?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ok BennyPlayboy I have the same wifi card on my laptop and worked from the get go.
[18:50] <BluesKaj> let's start over
[18:50] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: That's weird... Okay
[18:50] <Guest84719> me too - bcm4313 works perfectly on deb/*buntu
[18:51] <Guest84719> are you currently on battery or mains?
[18:52] <BennyPlayboy> Guest84719: Mains? Connected to a socket?
[18:53] <BennyPlayboy> In that case, yes
[18:53] <Guest84719> yep - lot of bios' auto disconnect wireless lan/ethernet on battery power - has caught me out a few times on windows, let alone nix
[18:54] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  ifdown wlan0 , then , ifconfig down wlan0, then , ifup wlan0
[18:58] <BluesKaj>  BennyPlayboy then run iwconfig , and pastebin the out to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: "ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured"
[18:59] <BennyPlayboy> "wlan0: Unknown host"
[18:59] <BennyPlayboy> "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[18:59] <BennyPlayboy> "
[19:00] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  do you see my next suggestion above ?
[19:01] <BennyPlayboy> Oh, didn't notice.:o
[19:03] <BennyPlayboy> BluesKaj: It all says "no wireless extensions".
[19:07] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  I have to ask , are dual booting windows as well on the laptop?
[19:08] <BennyPlayboy> Yes
[19:08] <BluesKaj> and the wifi card woks ok , I suppose
[19:08] <BluesKaj> on windows
[19:08] <BennyPlayboy> Yep, on Windows it works fine
[19:09] <BluesKaj> ..very puzzling
[19:09] <BennyPlayboy> Yeah... I'm reinstalling Kubuntu now, just to make sure
[19:10] <BluesKaj> BennyPlayboy,  ok
[19:12] <laurent_> bjr
[19:16] <arshinator> hi
[19:17] <arshinator> can anyone tell me why am i getting this error "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[19:18] <arshinator> and this "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:18] <arshinator> "
[19:20] <BluesKaj> arshinator,  do you have 2 instances of package managers open, apt in theterminal and muon for example ?
[19:21] <arshinator> no as of i can see...its not running...but if its running in the background how do i check it?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> arshinator,  open system monitor
[19:23] <BluesKaj> process table
[19:24] <arshinator> no
[19:25] <arshinator> BlueKaj, there is no package manager running as such
[19:25] <BluesKaj> arshinator,  open a terminal , sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:26] <arshinator> BlueKaj, "dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process"
[19:27] <James147> arshinator: run "pgrep dpkg" if it prints any numbers then dpkg is running somewhere, if not then delete the lock file
[19:28] <BluesKaj> arshinator,  or , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:28] <James147> ^^ or taht
[19:28] <arshinator> James147, it returned 2606
[19:28] <James147> arshinator: then it is runnin
[19:28] <James147> (background update?)
[19:28] <James147> anything in your system tray?
[19:28] <arshinator> James147, no :(
[19:29] <ARGHh> hello, does anybody use avant-window-navigator on Kubuntu?
[19:29] <ARGHh> I've got problems with icons :/
[19:30] <Xevios> Hi people. Where i can get FAQ for linux systems?
[19:30] <James147> Xevios: That would be a very long FAQ :) anything more specific you want to know?
[19:30] <arshinator> BlueKaj, after killing that process 2606, this happend "sudo apt-get install vlc
[19:30] <arshinator> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[19:30] <Xevios> All my life worked with windows...and ЭВМ(
[19:32] <James147> arshinator: run what it suggests
[19:32] <James147> arshinator: but my guess is unattended upgrades was running in the background... normally before killing dpkg you should wait a while to see if it will finish
[19:33] <arshinator> James147: thanks, it got working :)
[19:34] <Xevios> James147 ohhh. it will be long. So, by the way, when i tried to update kubuntu, i chose all updates.=_=And stucked in 47% After reboot i lost wifi-bluetooth drivers. Now they're working but...i'm afraid of new updates)
[19:35] <James147> Xevios: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubntu-desktop" in a terminal and tell us when it errors :)
[19:35] <arshinator> Xevios, same happened with me, i had to install kubuntu again.....but why update? it works fine without updates
[19:36] <James147> Xevios: muon is known for getting stuck druing updates, its best to use other packagemanagers to upgrade
[19:37] <James147> arshinator: secutiry patches and bug fixes ^^ ... you shouldnt not update your system :p
[19:38] <pvivek> which is the best desktop recorder for kde?
[19:40] <arshinator> James147: muon is corrupted in my system i guess, cuz when i start it, it crashes everytime....which is the best package manager u would suggest?
[19:40] <Xevios> thx.I fixed it in another way, in recovery checked all packeges.
[19:40] <Xevios> By the way. I wanted to instal google chrome....
[19:40] <Xevios> But i cant.
[19:41] <James147> arshinator: apper (kpackagekit) use to work well, though I tend to use commandline
[19:41] <James147> Xevios: install chromium form the repos... its basically the same as google chrome but with out the branding (and a few closed features)
[19:42] <Xevios> Yeah. But i have all my pass'es with tabs in google acc.
[19:43] <Xevios> Oh
[19:43] <Xevios> Thx
[19:43] <Xevios> Working
[19:43] <asfyxia> xevios: do sudo apt-get install chromium-browser in the terminal
[19:43] <James147> Xevios: it shares most of the code base with google chrome... it also has the sync feature... if just a few minor thing taht are missing (like embedded flash)
[19:52] <Xevios> how i can install *deb* packeges
[19:52] <Xevios> ?
[19:52] <Xevios> by clicking?
[19:54] <asfyxia> xevios: if you try to install google chrome from a .deb file, you don need to. It's in the repos, try chrome-browser.
[19:54] <James147> Xevios: you should beable to click it in dolphin, or you can run "sudo dpkg -i <file>"
[19:55] <Xevios> asfyxia , skype.
[19:55] <arshinator> James147: i am trying to "su"...but when i do that it asks me for a password, but the password which i gave at the time of installing kubuntu is not being taken and it says authentication failure. any  idea?
[19:56] <szal> !su | arshinator
[19:56] <szal> !root | arshinator
[19:58] <arshinator> ubottu | szal : actually i want to access the root directory....so i want to go su...but not able to do so
[19:58] <szal> arshinator: what root directory?
[19:58] <arshinator> szal: the root folder?
[19:58] <arshinator> i want to access that
[19:58] <szal> define 'access'
[19:59] <James147> arshinator: use "sudo -i" to get a root shell
[19:59] <ARGHh> hello, does anybody use avant-window-navigator on Kubuntu?   At that point, you *are* root.
[20:04] <arshinator> James147: well when i just write "su" in the terminal it asks me for the password, and when i supply it the password which i set for my login, it says authentication failure
[20:04] <arshinator> so which password is it asking for that time
[20:04] <DarthFrog> arshinator: "su" requires a root account.  "sudo" doesn't.
[20:04] <BluesKaj> arshinator, just use sudo
[20:21] <pvivek> James147:thanks helped
[20:22] <skrillex> quelqun parle francais ?
[20:22] <pvivek> basic question, how to solve this E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:22] <pvivek> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:22] <pvivek> i am not able to figure out which process is using it. i can't see any. what is the way to releaze the lock..
[20:23] <skrillex> do you speak french, i have a problem with my Wifi connection , is just cable ... wifi no  sorry for my english lol
[20:23] <DarthFrog> pvivek:  Try "ps auxww | grep dpkg".
[20:23] <DarthFrog> !fr |skrillex
[20:24] <skrillex> yes , i speak french :S
[20:24] <pvivek> DarthFrog : thanks
[20:26] <go^> hello..i've just installed Kubuntu but banshee doesn't start O_o it loads and then crash..does anybody know why?
[20:30] <asfyxia> go^: banshee isn't a standard KDE-program. Why don you use Amarok or Clementine?
[20:30] <go^> asfyxia, amarok = too complicated, too slow..i'll try clementine thank you :)
[20:30] <go^> asfyxia, i've just installed kubuntu and banshee is default mp3 player ;)
[20:31] <BluesKaj> go^, that's a carry over from your gnome install
[20:31] <go^> BluesKaj, i haven't gnome mm
[20:32] <go^> probably was in some dependency :)
[20:32] <go^> (like avant-window-navigator)
[20:32] <BluesKaj> you did in the past then
[20:32] <go^> no BluesKaj , i've just installed Kubuntu :)
[20:32] <BluesKaj> go^,  depends how you unistalled gnome
[20:33] <go^> any other "small" music player? clementine is quite slow too :/
[20:33] <BluesKaj> alsaplayer
[20:33] <go^> lol
[20:33] <BluesKaj> lol?
[20:34] <asfyxia> clementine is a low-profile version of amarok
[20:35] <BluesKaj> anyawy, BBL
[20:54] <skrillex> il me sorte tout plein daffaire la mais jcomprend pas trop :O
[20:54] <skrillex> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge Alternate
[20:54] <skrillex> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (int gfx)
[20:54] <skrillex> 00:05.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 1)
[20:54] <skrillex> 00:06.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 2)
[20:54] <skrillex> 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode]
[20:54] <FloodBotK1> skrillex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:54] <skrillex> 00:12.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller
[21:04] <ts2> !fr | skrillex
[21:24] <joscas176> como montar wine
[21:39] <danielo> Is there any one of You with use kde 4.8 software????
[21:43] <skrillex> fr ???
[21:48] <danielo> I wonna ask how about Yours expirience with kde 4.8
[21:48] <danielo> ?
[22:01] <cypr1nus> danielo: No coffee from 4.8.  It's a Gnome app with no mention of KDE or Kubuntu, but it's doing something...
[23:01] <poyntz> hi
[23:02] <poyntz> there's no xorg.conf in oneric, so I was wondering, if I wanted to add a line to xorg.conf how do I do it?
[23:03] <poyntz> I want to add http://paste.kde.org/200018/
[23:04] <skierpage> poyntz, I haven't tried it, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config ?
[23:06] <skierpage> That's a poor explanation because you're already running X, so http://askubuntu.com/questions/4662/where-is-the-x-org-config-file-how-do-i-configure-x-there
[23:06] <ts2> poyntz: you should be able to add sections in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[23:06] <ts2> rather than creating an entire xorg.conf
[23:10] <poyntz> ts2, skierpage : if I add http://paste.kde.org/200018/ to 50-vmmouse.conf - will this cause issues?
[23:12] <poyntz> 50-vmmouse.conf is in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[23:12] <ts2> or just place it in another file, like /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/52-vbox.conf
[23:15] <poyntz> skierpage, ts2 - thanks :)
[23:16] <poyntz> skierpage, ts2 - do I need to restart X?
[23:16] <poyntz> - to get it to work
[23:16] <ts2> you'll want to log out, then choose "Restart the X Server" from the login menu (where it has the shutdown options)
[23:16] <skierpage> poyntz, very likely
[23:18] <poyntz> alright, fingers crossed
[23:18] <poyntz> thanks for the help :D
[23:31] <poyntz> ts2, skierpage : didn't have any luck :S
[23:31] <poyntz> I don't think X is looking at my new .conf file
[23:47] <skierpage> So poyntz, you just added that one bit to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ? I guess next thing is to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log contents.
[23:49] <skierpage> poyntz, I know little, but it sounds like you can exit X (stop your window manager), run the command to generate a config, and see if it has the bit you added to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, that might help debug.  And then you could use the new Xorg.conf file, though the directory of bits and pieces is more flexible.


[00:00] <menn0> alexisb: no worries. i'm in the hangout when you're ready
[00:10] <wallyworld> redir: can you pop back into the standup hangout?
[00:50] <thumper> axw: just looking at migrating the storage collections
[00:51] <thumper> axw: which order should I do them?
[00:51] <thumper> what's the dependency tree like?
[00:52] <thumper> axw: storageC first?
[00:56]  * thumper thinks block devices first
[00:58] <axw> thumper: I'd do block devices, volumes, volume attachments, filesystems, filesystem attachments, storage, storage attachments
[00:58] <thumper> axw: ta
[01:05] <natefinch> ahhhhhhhhh
[01:05] <natefinch> no wonder my logging isn't coming through: reconfiguring logging from "<root>=DEBUG" to "<root>=WARNING;unit=DEBUG"
[01:15] <perrito666> oghh, we suck at naming things
[01:15] <perrito666> c.client.Do, really? the one thing that is not a verb and the method is called Do
[01:19] <natefinch> perrito666: https://golang.org/pkg/net/http/#Client.Do
[01:20] <natefinch> perrito666: should be called send
[01:23] <natefinch> thumper: where do we store the logging config on the server?  I'm debugging a system where the juju client doesn't work, but the log level is too high for what I need.  I didn't see it in the agent.conf
[01:37] <perrito666> natefinch: lol, seems like a widespread bad practice
[01:40] <menn0> natefinch: you want to change the log level of the client or the server?
[01:42] <menn0> natefinch: to change the logging config for a model:
[01:43] <menn0> juju set-model-config logging-config='<root>=DEBUG'
[01:43] <menn0> natefinch: for the client:
[01:44] <menn0> JUJU_LOGGING_CONFIG='<root>=DEBUG' juju --debug ...
[01:44] <menn0> the specific logging config is up to you of course
[01:49] <natefinch> wallyworld: https://github.com/crewjam/rfc5424
[01:56] <thumper> natefinch: it is stored in the config
[01:56] <thumper> for a model
[02:01] <natefinch> thumper: where is the config stored?
[02:01] <natefinch> thumper: in the DB?
[02:02] <thumper> environs/config/config.go
[02:46] <davecheney> thumper: sorry i missed your ping
[02:46] <davecheney> i was on another call
[02:47] <davecheney> and then it scrolled off the screen
[02:56] <davecheney> THE RACE BUILD IS GREEN! http://data.vapour.ws/juju-ci/products/version-4018/run-unit-tests-race/build-1518/consoleText
[02:57] <davecheney> oh
[02:57] <davecheney> it's not
[02:57] <thumper> heh
[02:57] <davecheney> + echo 'Race detection compliancy is not supported by 1.25.6'
[02:57] <davecheney> Race detection compliancy is not supported by 1.25.6
[02:57] <davecheney> it's jus been disabled ...
[02:57] <davecheney> compliancy is not a word people
[02:59] <thumper> davecheney: I've sorted my issue any way
[02:59] <davecheney> cool
[03:00] <davecheney> glad I could help
[03:07] <mup> Bug #1588135 opened: worker/terminationworker: test timeout during race build <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588135>
[03:10] <mup> Bug #1588137 opened: cmd/jujud/agent: incorrect use a sync.Waitgroup <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588137>
[03:11] <menn0> thumper, wallyworld, axw, anastasiamac : two of you please: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4963/
[03:11] <wallyworld> ok
[03:11] <axw> menn0: looking
[03:12] <menn0> thanks
[03:12]  * thumper rages
[03:13] <thumper> doer?
[03:13] <thumper> really?
[03:13] <thumper> I'm going to doer the next person that adds 'er' on to things it shouldn't be on
[03:16] <davecheney> thump-er
[03:16] <davecheney> thumper: this bug is bad, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588137
[03:16] <mup> Bug #1588137: cmd/jujud/agent: incorrect use a sync.Waitgroup <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588137>
[03:18] <axw> is she a doer, eh, eh
[03:18] <axw> menn0: LGTM
[03:19] <natefinch> lol doer, yeah
[03:28] <natefinch> thumper: so.... where is the config stored?  the DB, I presume, since it's per-model?
[03:28] <mup> Bug #1588143 opened: cmd/juju/controller: send on a closed channel panic <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588143>
[03:35] <thumper> natefinch: in the environ config
[03:35] <thumper> yes, the db
[03:35] <thumper> pretty sure it is in the modelC
[03:35]  * thumper thinks
[03:35] <thumper> no
[03:35] <thumper> maybe
[03:35] <thumper> can't remember
[03:36] <thumper> davecheney: hmm... interesting
[03:36] <thumper> davecheney: we obviously need some way to reject the connection before trying to do wg.Add
[03:37] <davecheney> thumper: i have a fix
[03:37] <thumper> davecheney: coolio
[03:38] <davecheney> this is important to fix because if the wg count goes wrong, the apisever doesn't stop and -- tada, tset timeout
[03:38] <davecheney> it's probably a rare race
[03:38] <davecheney> i'm trying ti reproduce it locally with a stress test
[03:38] <davecheney> thumper: short version is we need to reverse the order of operations inside the srv.traceRequest method, plus a bit of other cleanup
[03:39] <thumper> k
[03:39] <davecheney> what is o_O is the way the apiserver shuts down when the mongo pinger returns an error
[03:39] <davecheney> there is no other way to do it
[03:39] <davecheney> that I can see
[03:39] <davecheney> which is kind of crap
[03:39] <davecheney> the mongo pinger should be external tot he apisever and call it's Close method externally
[03:40] <davecheney> rather than being tightly coupled
[03:40] <mup> Bug #1588147 opened: when i bootstrap whith the option --metadata-source=/root/juju  option,there is not any debug or error info about the  specified the metadata source <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588147>
[04:01] <davecheney> thumper: good news, I can repro the failure locally
[04:01] <davecheney> testing fix now
[04:01] <thumper> awesome
[04:01] <thumper> that's often the hard bit
[04:21] <davecheney> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4964/
[04:21] <davecheney> ^ careful review appreciated
[04:21] <davecheney> i need to run some more stress tests before I'm confident with this one
[04:28] <natefinch> I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why my log statements aren't getting hit.
[04:28] <mup> Bug #1498081 changed: loopback storage provider not completing successfully <storage> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498081>
[04:34] <thumper> davecheney: looks good to me.
[04:37] <davecheney> thumper: thanks, my laptop is currently screeeaming running a stress test
[04:37] <davecheney> i'll submit this later if it looks ok
[04:50] <natefinch> wallyworld or anyone else want to tell me what stupid thing I'm doing such that I'm not seeing logging output where I think I should?
[04:50] <wallyworld> be careful what you wish for
[04:52] <wallyworld> natefinch: do you have info?
[04:54] <natefinch> wallyworld: I added some log lines, at Error level (although david fixed the log level on the machines, so debug+ is shown).  I'm definitintely running my function since the error message is correct, but I'm not getting the log statements.  I checked the md5 of the jujud I built and the one that's running and they're the same.
[04:55] <wallyworld> natefinch: where do you see the error message if not in the logs?
[04:56] <natefinch> wallyworld: what I see is the error message returned from the function that my log messages are in... but the log messages aren't getting triggered, even thouhg one of them is at the very top of that function
[04:57] <wallyworld> and you are using debug log?
[04:57] <natefinch> wallyworld: I never use debug log.  it's too damn slow.  I'm just tailing the machine log
[04:58] <wallyworld> hmmm, have you tried looking in the logsink file also?
[04:59] <natefinch> I don't even know what the logsink file is
[04:59] <wallyworld> it's what the controllers write out as a backup to the logs in the db
[04:59] <natefinch> ahh hmm
[05:00] <natefinch> where is it?
[05:00] <wallyworld> /var/log/juju maybe
[05:01] <natefinch> wallyworld: oh, I'm a dip... this is 1.25, btw
[05:01] <wallyworld> oh, then allmachines.log is relevant right?
[05:01] <natefinch> wallyworld: yes
[05:01] <wallyworld> and there's nothing in there?
[05:01] <natefinch> not for my log lines, no
[05:02] <wallyworld> this is a machine agent on a worker machine?
[05:02] <natefinch> yeah, it's a container on a non-controller machine
[05:03] <wallyworld> and you're looking at /vr/log/juju in the container rootfs?
[05:03] <natefinch> wallyworld: yep
[05:03] <wallyworld> and it's not something that the agent on the host machine f the container logs?
[05:04] <natefinch> I replaced the jujud binary for the container, because the container hit the bug we're looking for
[05:05] <wallyworld> i think you should have done upgrade-juju to ensure all the binaries are the same
[05:06] <natefinch> be that as it may.... the only thing I really care about is getting a tiny bit more logging on this one machine, and not trying to upgrade an entire openstack deploy before doing so
[05:06] <wallyworld> the only thing i can think of is that the log is not coming from where you think it is
[05:07] <wallyworld> and an older binary is not producing it
[05:08] <natefinch> I think what I'll do is change the error message that is coming out of it, to make sure it's actually running my code
[05:08] <wallyworld> that's a good step
[05:10] <natefinch> also adding some old fashioned printf, which I think we still redirect to the logs
[05:13] <bradm> is there any way to force what IP juju agent uses?  I'm getting it using the wrong ip, and I want to force it to the right one
[05:13] <bradm> basically it seems to be using the numerically lowest one
[05:14] <bradm> looks like bug 1469193
[05:14] <mup> Bug #1469193: juju selects wrong address for API <kvm> <local-provider> <lxc> <network> <sts> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469193>
[05:14] <bradm> this isn't with lxc, but with maas
[05:14] <bradm> well, no local provider, we do have lxcs being spun up
[05:19] <wallyworld> bradm: i don't think there's a way to force it,
[05:20] <bradm> wallyworld: .. really.
[05:20] <bradm> that's going to suck, its picking an IP from the cloud floating IP range as the juju api server
[05:21] <wallyworld> it's not  exactly straighforward - we can't guarntee to know the available ips ahead of time
[05:22] <wallyworld> so any solution requires a bit of thought to cover all corner cases
[05:22] <bradm> right..
[05:24] <wallyworld> bradm: I think network spaces is intended to contribute to a solution, for 2.0 at least
[05:25] <wallyworld> you can bind a relation endpoint to a given nic, or something to that effect i think
[05:25] <bradm> this is getting the wrong IP from the bootstrap node, so the agents don't even start
[05:26] <bradm> will have to hack up something with routing, I guess
[05:27] <natefinch> honestly, using the local provider for anything more than a demo on your laptop is asking for trouble
[05:28] <bradm> this isn't local provider
[05:28] <bradm> this is maas
[05:28] <bradm> hopefully using maas isn't asking for trouble :)
[05:28] <natefinch> no no :)
[05:28] <natefinch> my mistake :)
[05:28] <bradm> the bug is local provider I think, its the closest thing
[05:29] <bradm> want me to reopen that one?  or a new one?
[05:29] <bradm> given its a different provider I guess..
[05:29] <natefinch> there's been a bug in the past where we chose the wrong IP address... I think it's been addressed, but possibly only in 2.0?  I'm not sure.  I assume you're on 1.25?
[05:29] <bradm> yeah, 1.25.5 for this customer
[05:31] <bradm> its picking the IP on br1 for the bootstrap node, not on br0
[05:31] <wallyworld> bradm: you are best to ask the folks in europe (dimiter, andy) in an hour or so
[05:32] <wallyworld> thyey are across this much better than me
[05:32] <bradm> cool, cool.
[05:32] <bradm> I suspect there's something not quite right with the routing for this network range too, but still..
[05:33] <natefinch> wallyworld: somehow my binary is not being run... even though I can confirm the md5 matches the one I built on my laptop.  bizarre.
[05:34] <wallyworld> natefinch: you just copied it across the old one i assume and restarted the jujud service
[05:35] <natefinch> wallyworld: yep
[05:35] <wallyworld> obviously something went wrong, maybe upgrade-juju --upload-tools is the right thing after all
[05:36] <natefinch> gah, I can try
[05:36] <wallyworld> not sure why you're against it
[05:36] <wallyworld> i use it a bit in testing, not on openstck though
[05:37] <natefinch> going through the whole upgrade process... just a lot to go wrong
[05:37] <wallyworld> as opposed to doing it by hand and having it fail? :-P
[05:38] <natefinch> the binary is in the right spot and seems to be the one being run :/
[05:38] <natefinch> so... how does --upload-tools pick the jujud to upload?
[05:38] <bradm> is there anyway to tell a container to retry provisioning?  juju retry-provisioning doesn't seem to support containers
[05:39] <wallyworld> bradm: yeah, i don't think you can, i think thatwas just for cloud instances
[05:39] <wallyworld> natefinch: the same way as bootstrap --upload-tools does
[05:39] <bradm> bummer.
[05:40] <wallyworld> i could be wrong, but that's my recollection
[05:40] <natefinch> wallyworld: whoever thought that magically picking some random binary to upload was a good idea?  Why not let the user just specify a path? :/
[05:41] <wallyworld> natefinch: yeah, can't argue there, that was before my time
[05:45] <natefinch> wallyworld: now I get to wait to see if this works.
[05:45] <natefinch> wallyworld: so far, not looking good.  juju status is not connecting
[05:45] <wallyworld> shouldn't take too long
[05:47] <natefinch> hey, it finished
[05:47] <natefinch> hey, it finished
[05:47] <natefinch> hey, it finished
[05:47] <natefinch> oops, wrong window, sorry
[05:51] <natefinch> well crap, it used the wrong jujud
[05:51] <natefinch> I thought it was supposed to use one that exists in the same directory as the juju that is running, but evidently not.
[05:52] <natefinch> I gotta go to bed... I have to be up in ~4.5 hours
[05:53] <natefinch> wallyworld: ^
[05:53] <wallyworld> natefinch: it uses the one in the path, not sure
[05:54] <wallyworld> tomorrow is anothe day
[05:54] <natefinch> wallyworld: ahh, yeah, probably
[06:40] <axw> wallyworld: tests are still running, but optimistically send PR: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/5518
[06:40] <wallyworld> ok
[06:46] <wallyworld> axw: reading the cover description - maybe i misunderstood before. we still need custom image metadata in state, but structured in the image metadata collection, not a simplestreams json blob
[06:47] <axw> wallyworld: "Custom image metadata no longer needs to be written to the blob store in Mongo" -- it's no longer in the blob store, but structured metadata is still there
[06:47] <wallyworld> axw: ah, right, sorry, misread it
[07:04] <axw> wallyworld: do you have a doc for the rest of what's coming for bootstrap?
[07:05]  * axw bbs
[07:05] <wallyworld> axw: posted to #juju
[07:31] <axw> wallyworld: I'm not there (desktop is off for diagnosis, don't have the auth set up on this laptop), can you email me?
[07:31] <wallyworld> sure
[07:43] <mup> Bug #1588186 opened: reboot-executor does not run in jujud tests <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588186>
[08:27] <axw> wallyworld: is it known that HA is broken atm?
[08:28] <axw> I see no critical bug blocking master, so I guess not
[08:34] <frobware> babbageclunk: ping - sync?
[08:34] <babbageclunk> frobware: oops! Jumping into juju-sapphire now
[08:35] <babbageclunk> frobware: oh no - saw the right one
[08:36] <babbageclunk> frobware: in sync now.
[08:36] <babbageclunk> frobware: is it just named that for the pun?
[09:01] <dimitern> FYI fwereade just texted me his internet connection is down atm
[09:02] <voidspace> dimitern: hangouts playing up but omw
[09:04] <voidspace> gah
[09:04] <voidspace> not working - freezing firefox
[09:19] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: dooferlad: babbageclunk: firefox crashed!
[09:19] <dooferlad> voidspace: mine died too
[09:19] <dooferlad> voidspace: and it is chrome
[09:19] <voidspace> nice
[09:34] <babbageclunk> voidspace, dooferlad: google hangouts experimenting with "kill packets"
[09:34] <voidspace> babbageclunk: you jest...
[09:34] <dooferlad> babbageclunk: :-)
[09:34] <babbageclunk> voidspace, dooferlad: future iterations expected to have lethal options
[09:34] <dimitern> LOL
[09:35] <dimitern> then they'll just send killbots next time
[09:39] <mwhudson> connection interrupted by ordnance
[11:31] <anastasiamac> dooferlad: standup today ?
[11:34] <perrito666> morning all
[12:57] <perrito666> mongodb is an endless source of joy
[14:30] <natefinch> is there a JFDI for upgrade-juju?  --reset-previous-upgrade does not seem to actually do anything
[14:33] <natefinch> wallyworld, fwereade, perrito666? ^
[14:36] <natefinch> wallyworld: (this is why I don't use upgrade-juju btw - ERROR some agents have not upgraded to the current environment version <IP_ADDRESS>: machine-0-lxc-0, machine-0-lxc-1, machine-0-lxc-2, machine-0-lxc-3, unit-ceph-mon-0, unit-glance-0, unit-landscape-client-3, unit-landscape-client-6, unit-landscape-client-7, unit-ntpmaster-0)
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1588390 opened: 2.0 beta7: can't bootstrap with vsphere cloud provider - ERROR invalid config: host: expected string, got nothing <oil> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588390>
[14:39] <perrito666> I know very little about upgrade-juju
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1588390 changed: 2.0 beta7: can't bootstrap with vsphere cloud provider - ERROR invalid config: host: expected string, got nothing <oil> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588390>
[14:40] <perrito666> natefinch: look in the archive for mails from menno on that aspect
[14:40] <perrito666> there was a way to kick the chair from under juju to trigger an upgrade
[14:40] <perrito666> iirc, it requierd touching mongo
[14:43] <perrito666> whoever shortened lxc names, thank you
[14:44] <natefinch> heh
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1588390 opened: 2.0 beta7: can't bootstrap with vsphere cloud provider - ERROR invalid config: host: expected string, got nothing <oil> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588390>
[15:09] <alexisb> perrito666, that was thumper
[15:09] <alexisb> morning/evening all
[15:09] <perrito666> alexisb: Ill make sure to thank him
[15:09] <perrito666> morning alexisb
[15:13] <mup> Bug #1588403 opened: Tab completion missing in Juju 2.0 betas <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588403>
[15:33] <natefinch> fwereade: is there a way to force upgrade-juju to work even with units in error states?
[15:46] <fwereade> natefinch, hmm, not without surgery that I can think of
[15:46] <fwereade> natefinch, if you can create the upgrade doc I don't think the errors will impede the process
[15:48] <natefinch> fwereade: so... all I really want to do is swap out the binary for one particular machine... but somehow when I do so, it is not running the new binary... I think I must be doing something very dumb.
[15:51] <fwereade> natefinch, ah, right: ok, exactly what did you swap out? tools/<version>?
[15:51] <natefinch> fwereade: yes
[15:52] <fwereade> natefinch, what's in the tools/<agent> dir?
[15:54] <natefinch> fwereade: hang on, sorry... a previous failed juju-upgrade is putting me in a bad state
[15:54] <fwereade> natefinch, (it certainly *used* to just be a symlink to the one in version, but I have a feeling there was some churn there at some point)
[15:56] <fwereade> natefinch, you can make the tools think they're a different version by putting some file next to them, if that helps? you can use that to get everything reporting a consistent version if you have to
[15:56] <natefinch> fwereade: ahh.. it is not a symlink
[15:56] <fwereade> natefinch, yay, vague instinct saves the day ;p
[16:22] <natefinch> lol, another bug I fixed elsewhere getting hit on this machine.  it's gonna be one of those days
[16:28] <alexisb> natefinch, is this dpb machine?
[16:32] <natefinch> alexisb: yes, it's not  a big deal... there were multiple machines experiencing the bug so I just switched to a different one
[16:33] <natefinch> er experiencing the bug I'm debugging, not the one I already fixed
[16:45] <alexisb> dimitern, ping
[16:51] <mgz> can I get a stamp on reviews.vapour.ws/r/4968 for service-to-application
[16:55] <mup> Bug #1588446 opened: MAAS bridge script emits "RTNETLINK: file exists" during bootstrap many times <bootstrap> <maas> <network> <juju-core:New for frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588446>
[17:03] <mgz> ocr, or anyone, poke ^
[17:17] <perrito666> mgz: shipit
[17:17] <mgz> thank you horachan
[18:30] <redir> who knows about user management?
[19:53] <natefinch> cmars: FYI I am aware of the PRs against npipe... will get to them when I have some time.  Let me know if they become critical for me to look at.
[19:54] <cmars> natefinch, thanks. i've been hacking away at this with gsamfira. going to try to confirm my latest fix with jujud tests, will let you know
[19:54] <natefinch> cmars: glad you're getting help from Gabriel, that windows code is nasty business, and he knows his stuff.
[19:55] <natefinch> cmars: feel free to ping me when you think it's all stable
[20:03] <cmars> sinzui, what kind of instance would run the windows CI test, run-unit-tests-win2012-amd64 ?
[20:03] <cmars> how many cores would it have?
[20:05] <sinzui> cmars: it is a c4.xlarge
[20:07] <alexisb> cmars, you are a rockstar thank you!
[20:08] <cmars> sinzui, thanks! gsamfira, looks like 4 cores running windows tests
[20:10] <gsamfira> test will probably pass if you set GOMAXPROCS=1...but that is not a fix.
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1274755 changed: simplestreams test metadata only lists tools for arm and amd64 <arm64> <hs-arm64> <simplestreams> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274755>
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1517092 changed: [xenial] libgo panic doing a bootstrap on ARM64 <2.0-count> <arm64> <bootstrap> <xenial> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517092>
[21:27] <wallyworld> cmars: sorry, that may have been me who removed the model uuid param :-(
[21:28] <cmars> wallyworld, no worries
[21:30] <cmars> I really ought to have CI tests to catch this stuff
[21:51] <mup> Bug #1588542 opened: Juju2 is slow with MAAS2, log shows errors, works anyway <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588542>
[22:00] <alexisb> thumper, ping
[22:32] <alexisb> axw, wallyworld ping
[22:32] <wallyworld> alexisb: otp with rick
[22:32] <alexisb> wallyworld, ack
[22:51] <axw> alexisb: pong
[22:51] <alexisb> heya axw, I need someone to hash through manual provider planning with me
[22:51] <alexisb> do you have time to chat?
[22:52] <axw> alexisb: sure
[22:52] <alexisb> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/core-leads-call
[22:52] <alexisb> wallyworld, feel free to join us when you are free
[22:53] <perrito666> wallyworld: wanna call off the 1:1? ill be there for standup anyway
[22:53] <wallyworld> perrito666: sorry :-( just finished with rick, now this one, i'll catch you after standup
[22:54] <perrito666> wallyworld: dont worry I forgive you (did you see that restore landed fixing 2 bugs in its way?)
[22:54] <wallyworld> perrito666: yay, ty
[23:08] <menn0> wallyworld: the charms upload HTTP endpoint seems to require a series argument... this doesn't work for multi-series charms
[23:08] <menn0> wallyworld: should this be relaxed?
[23:08] <wallyworld> menn0: yeah
[23:08] <menn0> wallyworld: I'm trying to use the endpoint to upload charms during migration
[23:09] <wallyworld> good catch
[23:09] <menn0> but because I'm testing with the ubuntu charm it's failing because the charm URL series is blank
[23:09] <wallyworld> series in url should now be optional
[23:10] <menn0> ok cool
[23:16] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: perrito666: be right there
[23:28] <mup> Bug #1588559 opened: juju agree should tell the user what to do next <juju-core:New for cmars> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588559>
[23:52] <wallyworld> cmars:
[23:52] <wallyworld> # github.com/juju/juju/cmd/juju/application
[23:52] <wallyworld> cmd/juju/application/deploy_test.go:931: unknown metricRegistrationPost field 'ApplicationName' in struct literal
[23:52] <wallyworld> cmd/juju/application/deploy_test.go:978: unknown metricRegistrationPost field 'ApplicationName' in struct literal


[22:21] <ahoneybun> pleia2: its clear its not a over night thing true but I don;t think the benefits could be over looked
[22:21] <pleia2> context: ahoneybun proposing that all documentation teams move to RST
[22:21] <pleia2> ahoneybun: I definitely see benefits :)
[22:22] <pleia2> it's just a lot of work
[22:22] <ahoneybun> plus I;m maining talking about online docs not deskop atm
[22:22] <ahoneybun> *mainly
[22:22] <ahoneybun> *desktop
[22:22] <pleia2> the desktop documents are online
[22:23] <pleia2> just like xubuntu docs, ubuntu desktop docs are built and the output is published online
[22:23] <ahoneybun> I see
[22:23] <pleia2> the help.ubuntu.com/community/ wiki is supplimental to that
[22:23] <ahoneybun> then the way I'm talking about would reverse - online -> desktop
[22:23]  * pleia2 needs to publish the xubuntu docs for 15.04 soon :\
[22:24] <ahoneybun> I saw that
[22:24] <pleia2> not really, I assume the RST files would still reside in bzr?
[22:25] <pleia2> and we don't want all the ubuntu wiki put into the official docs, that's a huge maintenance burden and ruins the whole point of an easy to contribute to wiki
[22:25] <ahoneybun> you should be able to host them on LP
[22:25] <ahoneybun> the core things really
[22:25] <ahoneybun> pleia2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[22:25] <pleia2> the core things are already in the desktop documentation
[22:27] <pleia2> anyway, just some thoughts, I'm happy to make time to discuss further (maybe a doc team agenda item?) or answer questions about what we use later
[22:27]  * pleia2 needs to go do Sunday things now :)
[22:28] <ahoneybun> yes of course
[22:28] <ahoneybun> I'll come to that meeting if I can
[22:28] <ahoneybun> pleia2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[22:28] <ahoneybun> opps
[22:28] <ahoneybun> pleia2: http://imgur.com/PNm0oRX
[22:29] <ahoneybun> also http://imgur.com/QbyFBVZ
[22:29] <ahoneybun> and I'll let you go lol
[23:09] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: i already proposed we move the ubuntu server guide to RST (or some variation like Git RST/markdown) but no one wants to help so it's not going to get done.  and just the server guide is quite a task, even with using a conversion tool (such as pandoc)
[23:10] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: maybe if one project does and the others see the benefits
[23:10] <ahoneybun> it could convice them
[23:11] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: i did some tests and all links, in all documents break, in addition to the fancy docbook references to internal pages/sections of the guide
[23:11] <ahoneybun> yea you would have to redo it all within the language
[23:12] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: hint, start with the server guide, it's a more compact project and it does not have the constraints of the desktop docs (it's not a package)
[23:12] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: I started moving the kubuntu docs by hand and it looks pretty darn nice in RST
[23:13] <ahoneybun> but gsliva makes a point that having one language would stop others to help since they might use another language like TeX
[23:16] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: if you *really* want to help convert the server guide to non-XML (Git Markdown; my preference) then join the doc team (if not already) and come to our next meeting (first tuesday of every month)
[23:16] <pmatulis> ahoneybun: and this is what i did a while ago: https://github.com/petermatulis/serverguide
[23:17] <ahoneybun> see that look so pretty to me
[23:17] <ahoneybun> that is RTS though
[23:18] <ahoneybun> so the next meeting is June 2nd pmatulis?


[16:39] <jose> pleia2: you doing the release announcement on the Fridge?
[17:10]  * PaulW2U it looks like this is that time again where I add hundreds of links to the working .doc only for pleia2 to keep the best and delete the rest  :o)
[17:11] <jose> haha, maybe if they're all 14.04 reviews we can group them?
[17:13] <PaulW2U> I think some of them are just speculating about what's going to be released very soon. Anyway, there will be plenty for pleia2 to group/edit/delete/move etc :)
[17:54] <pleia2> jose: I'll be around for the next 2-3 hours, if it's released in that time I'll be able to post it
[17:55] <pleia2> I'll be sure to mention here if I do :)
[17:55] <jose> ok, I can take care if needed :)
[18:01] <pleia2> PaulW2U: thanks \o/
[18:06] <jose> pleia2: we're good to go
[18:06] <pleia2> I do not see an announcement yet
[18:07] <pleia2> aha, there it is
[18:07] <pleia2> jose: you want to do it?
[18:07] <jose> sure, I'm all set
[18:07] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html
[18:07] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:07]  * pleia2 runs off to publish the xubuntu one
[18:15] <jose> announcement is now on the fridge
[18:15] <pleia2> thanks jose \o/
[18:15]  * jose pops champagne... but doesn't drink it
[18:16]  * pleia2 too
[18:17] <pleia2> we're having our release party next week so I can drink then (hopefully)
[18:32] <pleia2> PaulW2U: so if you want, you can move all the release-related posts up as bullet points under the main announcement and I'll cull as needed
[18:33] <PaulW2U> ok, i'll do that shortly
[19:49] <jose> pleia2: ronnie tucket x-posted the announcement to the planet via his personal blog, not sure if we should give him a heads up
[19:49] <jose> (and I'm working with IS as Fridge doesn't appear)
[19:50] <pleia2> jose: fridge always takes forever to appear, it's the caching
[19:50] <pleia2> xubuntu.org has the same problem, they've known about it for ages
[19:50] <pleia2> I gave up complaining, but by all means :)
[19:50] <jose> :P
[19:51] <jose> well, let's hope they can fix it at some point
[19:51] <jose> (even if that's in 2020)


[13:42] <zxmpi> nature is healing, pi shops have pi's in them once again
[16:09] <penguin42> some day I'll get enough time to buy a Pi and do something with it
[18:26] <knightwise> hey penguin42
[18:26] <knightwise> I"ve played around with Dietpi , but started looking at virtualisation instead of running it on the pi
[19:08]  * penguin42 has only got as far as playing with a Pico


[06:47] <ginggs> nacc, Pharaoh_Atem: did you see https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pcre3/news/20160227T165039Z.html ?
[10:53] <Pharaoh_Atem> ginggs: hmm, maybe that'll fix the php segfaults
[10:53] <Pharaoh_Atem> ginggs: that's one of the things Fedora patched to fix
[10:54] <Pharaoh_Atem> but can someone please tell me why pcre has a soversion of 3 in Debian/Ubuntu but nowhere else?
[10:55] <ginggs> Pharaoh_Atem: and pcre2 is the new version
[10:55] <Pharaoh_Atem> yeah
[10:55] <Pharaoh_Atem> in Fedora it makes sense, because pcre kept the soversion 1
[10:56] <Pharaoh_Atem> so pcre2 is named correctly
[10:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> it's the same way in openSUSE, where they actually put the soversion in package names
[10:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> it's libpcre1
[10:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> it's a really bizarre ABI change that seems to be exclusive to Debian/Ubuntu
[10:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> ginggs: do you have any idea, as the pcre maintainer in Ubuntu?
[11:00] <Pharaoh_Atem> ginggs: this is not a patch that makes me very happy... https://sources.debian.net/src/pcre3/2:8.38-2/debian/patches/soname.patch/
[11:00] <ginggs> i think i recall reading aomething about that
[11:01] <ginggs> upstream where bumping the SONAME unecessarily
[11:01] <ginggs> *were
[11:02] <ginggs> you can look back through the changelog http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/p/pcre3/unstable_changelog to see where pcre2 and pcre3 appeared
[11:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> oh geez
[11:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> I see how it happened
[11:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> they patched and bumped the soversion when major versions were introduced
[11:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> but that's not irreversible now... unless they don't have a tool that rebuilds all the reverse depends, I guess?
[11:12] <ginggs> Pharaoh_Atem: are you able to test if pcre3 2:8.38-2 fixes the php segfaults?
[11:13] <Pharaoh_Atem> atm no, I have to rebuild everything :/
[11:13] <Pharaoh_Atem> which... takes hours
[17:10] <cjwatson> stefanct: groff> somewhat, depending on what you need
[22:32] <stefanct> cjwatson: sorted it out myself. i dont really understand why but adding \{ and \} to a branch containing a macro definition (.de) helped to avoid "warning: macro `.' not defined" at the end of that definition...
[22:35] <stefanct> http://dpaste.com/3MX4WYK
[22:36] <stefanct> and no, the line break within the .de is not the problem (alone)
[22:38] <cjwatson> stefanct: that would make sense.  if you don't have the \{ there, then the .el only executes the next request, I'm not very surprised that that would have strange interactions with .de without \{ \}
[22:42] <stefanct> well but executing the next request is exactly what it should do... just because that request has multiple lines i would not expect it to fail
[22:55] <cjwatson> stefanct: I think technically the single line containing .de is the request, and then that request copies subsequent lines of input into a buffer
[22:56] <cjwatson> stefanct: so if the .de isn't executed, then you have subsequent lines of input that will just be executed there and then
[22:57] <cjwatson> stefanct: the .. (or whatever the macro closure is) is in fact a separate request after that telling troff to stop the macro definition
[22:57] <cjwatson> stefanct: basically the parser is less smart than you were giving it credit for, but you have arrived at the correct answer :)
[22:58] <stefanct> yes, i think you are right
[22:59] <stefanct> in any case... lintian should now be happy so i am too :)


[01:00] <vinod> i have a sd card with ubuntu mate on it
[01:00] <vinod> recently it is not booting it is showing vfs kernel panic
[01:01] <vinod> can someone help me on this regard
[01:04] <lowkey_> I'll tell what someone else told me this channel is only for the desktop environment mate all other questions is better asker elsewhere
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> i need help please
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> someone
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> :(
[01:14] <ubuntu-mate> i need help installing my wifi card
[01:52] <mate_> hi
[02:00] <TheMarius> good day, mate_!
[02:28] <lonux> hello
[08:30] <imexil> morning alkisg. So bad news. The mini display port is not working and matching screen resolutions are also not regconised even on HDMI. This also worked before :-(
[08:55] <alkisg> imexil: boot from an ubuntu live cd where it should work, and then paste Xorg.log from the live cd and from the broken system, to compare
[09:17] <imexil> alkisg: OK will try that.
[10:52] <epizefiri> Hi there
[10:53] <epizefiri> I've always caja with high use of cpu
[10:53] <epizefiri> also when i didn't make any operations with caja
[11:06] <epizefiri> ok, it was for the thumbnails.. in a forum of 2012 they says to put off the thumbnails
[11:07] <epizefiri> .. and in fact the consume of cpu go down
[12:44] <TheUncertainMan> hey guys, without setting up a static ip, how long would I be able to ssh into a rasppi using the same ip address?
[12:50] <ouroumov> TheUncertainMan, it depends on the DHCP lease period of your router, I think.
[12:58] <TheUncertainMan> Well, without access to the router I reckon I'm buggered.
[12:58] <ouroumov> TheUncertainMan, do you have another machine on that net with a static IP address? Or even outside the net?
[12:59] <TheUncertainMan> Though I seem to be able to ssh into my raspberry pi, from my raspberry pi.
[12:59] <TheUncertainMan> Not really, no.
[12:59] <ouroumov> Okay so that rules out the VPN option
[12:59] <TheUncertainMan> Yeah..Might have to wait till I go home.
[12:59] <ouroumov> TheUncertainMan, and you're sure the network doesn't allow to use hostnames for IP resolution?
[13:00] <TheUncertainMan> I'm not entirely sure of that. How would I go about doing it?
[13:00] <ouroumov> ping hostname of your RPi, see if you get somewhere
[13:01] <TheUncertainMan> hmm, alright. It brought up my local ip (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:02] <ouroumov> I mean, you have to ping from another machine, right
[13:02] <ouroumov> Not from the rpi
[13:02] <TheUncertainMan> Oh right, I'll give it a whirl
[13:11] <TheUncertainMan> well
[13:11] <TheUncertainMan> flatmate can putty into it and everything
[13:12] <TheUncertainMan> g2g thanks for the help
[13:42] <arjarjun> hlo
[13:42] <arjarjun> i am new in ubuntu mate
[13:42] <arjarjun> anyone here to help how can i contribute
[13:47] <arjarjun> nobody chat??
[13:48] <arjarjun> join #<ubuntu-mate>
[13:49] <arjarjun> hi
[16:03] <imexil> alkisg: So I did what you said but looking at the Xorg.log _I_ can not really see where the problem is. If you got time and the mood to it, I've pasted the files here: https://gist.github.com/dietmarw/02e25a616b966ad6390cbcd0b8387342
[16:27] <tony_> Computing with Fresh installed Ubuntu mate OS
[16:51] <titus_> tion please: how do i open and extract RAR ?
[16:51] <titus_> Could not open "Ghostbusters-2016-Extended-DVDRip-HD-1080p-6CH-2.9GB-Cu-Subtitrare.rar
[17:23] <sixwheeledbeast> lol, pirate...
[18:18] <ddd_> ok


[21:40] <robert_ancell> The Mir headers have no flag to check version right? I was looking how we can make GTK+ conditionally support new enum values
[21:43] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, you're making GTK+ depend on unreleased Mir code and you haven't added any checks to configure.ac
[22:34] <desrt> robert_ancell: i yelled at him for that a bit earlier :)
[22:35] <robert_ancell> desrt, ah good
[22:35] <desrt> (i think he's not around on account of it being sunday, though)
[22:35] <desrt> jhbuild is currently broken :/
[22:35] <desrt> also: not sure who acked Trevinho to push patches to gtk...
[23:31] <RAOF> robert_ancell: We do not have such a flag, no. This sounds like a reasonable idea.
[23:31] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I vote for the same as the GTK+ #defines for versions
[23:31] <robert_ancell> they seem to work
[23:38]  * RAOF shall whip up a branch providing such things.
[23:38] <RAOF> I was going to say “Hm, what about feature-flags”, but screw it. Versioning's simpler.
[23:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yeah, featuring flags gets a bit out of control


[03:12]  * skellat is not amused at the thought of Lake Effect Snow already.  I want a white, snowy Christmas...not a white, snowy Halloween...
[03:12] <Unit193> Snow! :D
[03:12] <skellat> Unit193: Of which I stand a stronger likelihood of seeing in the next 24 hours than you do
[03:12] <Unit193> Yeeeeeeep.
[03:13] <Unit193> Temp: 39 F (4 C) ~ Overcast ~ Windchill: 37 F (3 C) ~ Humidity: 79% ~ Observed: Tue 22, 22:52
[03:13] <skellat> Unit193: Upper air mass needs to cool to 35 F for the precipitation to crystallize properly to form snowflakes
[03:14] <Unit193> Sure, just pointing out it's getting colder and closer. :D
[03:14] <skellat> Yeah
[03:14] <skellat> Unit193: Any thoughts on the draft verification application?
[03:20] <Unit193> Wouldn't it be better to link to the dynamic page and leave out the static screenshot?
[03:20] <Unit193> 10 active members, not Ubuntu members I'd presume?
[03:22] <skellat> We have 5 Ubuntu Members.
[03:22] <skellat> Where are you getting the 10 from?
[03:23] <skellat> There is the direct/indirect thing caused by the ~ubuntu-us-ohio-ne group that may or may not be nuked in the near term due to internal machinations in LoCo Council
[03:24] <skellat> That's where the numbers deviate a little because LP double-counts people present in both sets
[03:25] <skellat> So when you go to ~ubuntu-us-ohio it shows 99 members...it double counts the people who present in both ~ubuntu-us-ohio and ~ubuntu-us-ohio-ne which is a subordinate member group
[03:26] <Unit193> "Ubuntu Ohio will return to leadership by a council once there are at least ten active Ubuntu Members within this social community."
[03:27] <skellat> Oh
[03:27] <skellat> That line
[03:27] <skellat> Yep
[03:28] <skellat> You have to be an Ubuntu Member now to be able to request any resources
[03:28] <skellat> So
[03:28] <skellat> If we were to restaff the Council right this minute...it would be you, me, and jrgifford
[03:29] <skellat> Someone who is an Ubuntu Member could lead in theory but they'd be locked out of the process of requesting any support from the Community Support Budget
[03:29] <skellat> We're the first LoCo to have done so
[03:30] <skellat> Which we had to do to make sure UbuCon at OLF still happened
[03:31] <skellat> s/Someone who is an Ubuntu Member could lead in theory but they'd be locked out of the process of requesting any support from the Community Support Budget/Someone who is NOT an Ubuntu Member could lead in theory but they'd be locked out of the process of requesting any support from the Community Support Budget/
[03:31] <jenni> skellat meant to say: Someone who is NOT an Ubuntu Member could lead in theory but they'd be locked out of the process of requesting any support from the Community Support Budget
[03:31] <Unit193> But why 10 Ubuntu Members?  If we had a 3 person council and us three on it, but 20 non-"Ubuntu member" members...
[03:32] <skellat> :-) It is rather open for discussion.  Ten sounded like a good number when I was writing initially.
[03:32] <skellat> That's part of why we've got the meeting coming up to discuss the application and edits to make to it
[03:33] <Unit193> Heck, that's a small part, I personally wouldn't even require the council member be an "Ubuntu Member", but would recommend that person try for it after a time.  Of course one of them would have to be, though.
[03:34] <skellat> Like I said, LoCo Council guidelines don't require it at all.  It is only truly necessary when you need to ask for help from Jono's Community Budget.  Rather than leave it as an implied matter, I prefer to leave it as explicit
[03:34] <skellat> Plus the last three LoCo verifications we just did had an Ubuntu Member leading each LoCo (California, Australia, Pennsylvania)
[03:36] <skellat> With the state that OLF was in this last round...we'll likely need to ask for help from Jono's Community Budget again in the future.  So far we're the first and only LoCo to have drawn on it.
[03:38] <skellat> I do wish we'd scap the term "Ubuntu Member" and just put "Knight"/"Dame" in its place
[03:39] <Unit193> Erm...
[03:39] <skellat> :-)
[03:40] <skellat> We don't have to go that extreme but you catch my drift
[03:43] <skellat> It is a wiki and things are negotiable.  The meeting will be a chance to talk about the draft, edit it, and then I can get it scheduled for consideration by LoCo Council.  If we want there can be an IRC meeting of LoCo Council that we could all attend on the Third Tuesday of November or I can handle it privately via closed LP bug traffic.
[03:44] <Unit193> Well, only thing is just the 10 Ubuntu Member requirement.
[03:45] <skellat> We can go for 5 then but we'd have to figure out where the 2 unreachables are
[03:46] <skellat> If they're actually still around, great
[03:46] <skellat> If not, we need to figure out what to do with their digital ghosts
[03:50]  * skellat disappears to deal with real world matters
[12:42] <jrgifford> skellat: right. We are smaller. :(
[12:43] <jrgifford> Digital ghosts sounds like a really cheesy horror story.
[20:22] <belkinsa> skellat do we have a official date and time for the meeting?
[20:27] <skellat> Ooops
[20:28] <skellat> Been busy with family matters today
[20:28] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[20:31] <skellat> belkinsa: Better?
[20:31] <belkinsa> Yup, thank you
[20:34] <skellat> And e-mailed
[20:34] <belkinsa> Thanks again
[20:34]  * skellat heads off to handle other things in the house