[13:48] <nikitalita> is this channel moving?
[16:05] <pmatulis> dunno
[16:18] <juanoterocas> hello, I'm trying to deploy k8s over microstack cloud but I'm getting this on kubernetes worker: Blocked and Master: Failed to setup auth-webhook tokens; will retry, any advice?
[17:22] <juanoterocas>       error: stat /root/.kube/config: no such file or directory when executing juju run-action --wait kubernetes-worker/0 microbot replicas=


[04:47] <vuntz> didrocks: go to bed!
[04:47] <didrocks> vuntz: I'm in bed :)
[04:47] <didrocks> you?
[04:47] <vuntz> same :-)
[14:01] <baptistemm> Does anyone have an SSD disk here? I'm open to any comment or suggestion to replace the mechanic disk of my T61
[14:01] <baptistemm> Christmas is coming :)
[14:01] <ccooke> baptistemm: yes, I have one
[14:02] <ccooke> what are you after?
[14:02] <Laney> tasty, new tomboy
[14:03] <baptistemm> ccooke, what you mean? I head of the Intel x25-m, there were nice but it was one year ago, what hot now
[14:03] <baptistemm> +'s
[14:03] <ccooke> baptistemm: I have an Intel X25-M g2
[14:03] <baptistemm> s/ head/ heard
[14:03] <baptistemm> ah
[14:03] <ccooke> which are cheaper than the original x25-m and faster
[14:03] <baptistemm> ah nice
[14:04] <ccooke> They were still the best in terms of common usage a couple of months ago, when I bought mine
[14:04] <baptistemm> I don't doo a lot of I/O, I just want fast boot and quick app launching
[14:04] <baptistemm> :)
[14:04] <baptistemm> and no more trade-off about the capacity
[14:05] <baptistemm> I have 130 GB I guess in my laptop
[14:05] <ccooke> the intel -m series are artificially limited in sequential write speed to differentiate from the -e series (which are much more expensive). They're slower than other SSDs for that, but the fastest for the usage most people actually do: random read and write is *fast*.
[14:05] <ccooke> I have the 160GB SSD.
[14:05] <ccooke> There'll be a 320GB out (now or later, I forget).. and that should be faster than the 160
[14:06] <ccooke> generally with SSD, the more space you have the faster the disk
[14:06] <baptistemm> eh
[14:06] <baptistemm> is G2 == "postville" ? I see that when looking for X25
[14:07] <baptistemm> 160  is 379,98 €
[14:07] <ccooke> that's right
[14:09] <baptistemm> what a price for a hard drivce
[14:10] <ccooke> yes, but my laptop now boots in about 3-4 seconds :-)
[14:26] <pitti> kenvandine: yes, I did so yesterday (gwibber session)
[14:29] <pitti> TheMuso: alternatives are very brittle unfortunately; perhaps we can find a better way, like adding another gconf search path for gdm for derivative themes to stack on?
[14:30] <baptistemm> ccooke, that impressive
[14:40] <mannyv> ive filed a few sync requests for some desktop packages on LP. Is that all I need to do or is there some further step to get them processed?
[14:41] <mannyv> btw I was formerly serialorder, decided to follow suit and just use my name =P
[15:02] <TheMuso> pitti: Fair enough. If I manage to catch you at some point during the rest of this week, we can have a chat about it.
[16:32] <kenvandine> pitti, thx... i found it last night.  We couldn't find it in the summit system in the afternoon.
[22:08] <LaserJock> kenvandine: ping
[22:15] <kenvandine> LaserJock, pong
[22:15] <LaserJock> kenvandine: hi, I was looking at bug #444170 again
[22:16]  * kenvandine just commented on that :)
[22:16] <LaserJock> kenvandine: are there any plans for hooking up more services/apps to the session applet?
[22:17] <LaserJock> right now it seems like empathy's behavior is the odd one
[22:17] <kenvandine> not certain atm, i know there are some specs
[22:17] <kenvandine> well it isn't actually the session applet
[22:17] <kenvandine> it is what mission-control-5 does
[22:17] <kenvandine> however
[22:17] <kenvandine> it is possible that there is a way the applet could change the behavior
[22:17] <kenvandine> but i don't have ideas there
[22:18] <kenvandine> like how should the applet know if you want to be online or not?
[22:18] <LaserJock> well
[22:18] <LaserJock> I don't have a problem with the session applet
[22:18] <LaserJock> it's more  like a problem with mission control
[22:18] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[22:19] <kenvandine> i think that design is right
[22:19] <kenvandine> the question is can we be better at predicting when we should connect to it
[22:19] <LaserJock> I don't see how the design is really right though
[22:19] <LaserJock> it's opening up apps when I've closed them
[22:20] <kenvandine> if you set it to offline or dnd, it won't open them
[22:20] <kenvandine> LaserJock, sort of
[22:20] <LaserJock> ok, but that's the *only* app where that happens
[22:20] <LaserJock> it's unexpected behavior
[22:20] <kenvandine> empathy is a handler for incoming messages
[22:20] <kenvandine> so mission-control-5 opens empathy as the handler
[22:21] <kenvandine> i think the missing piece is telling MC what the right state is
[22:21] <LaserJock> well, for me the problem is that I can't tell individual services what state I want to be in
[22:21] <LaserJock> the "normal" way to do that is to open or close the app
[22:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[22:21] <LaserJock> but with empathy/mission-control that's no longer really the case
[22:22] <kenvandine> right, because you didn't close the program that gets the messages
[22:22] <kenvandine> you closed the current instance of the handler for those messages
[22:22] <LaserJock> right, but I didn't know I "opened" that app
[22:22] <kenvandine> perhaps when you quit empathy it should set your status as offline
[22:22] <LaserJock> so you see where it gets to be confusing
[22:23] <kenvandine> yeah
[22:23] <kenvandine> i agree it is confusing
[22:23] <LaserJock> but what if I'm not offline
[22:23] <LaserJock> what if I just don't want IM's at the moment
[22:23] <kenvandine> well... what should happen when you get a message and you don't have an IM client running?
[22:23] <Zdra> LaserJock, in empathy you can go to discussion->quit
[22:23] <Zdra> that will disconnect your accounts
[22:23] <Zdra> or just set your presence offline
[22:23] <kenvandine> Zdra, he wants a different state
[22:23] <LaserJock> kenvandine: nothing
[22:24] <kenvandine> he wants to be online
[22:24] <kenvandine> but not get messages
[22:24] <Zdra> hidden?
[22:24] <LaserJock> I want to say "I don't want any IMs but I do want emails"
[22:24] <LaserJock> or "I want microblogging and IMs but no email"
[22:24] <kenvandine> LaserJock, offline doesn't make you stop getting emails :)
[22:24] <kenvandine> that presence in the status applet only affects your IM status
[22:24] <kenvandine> at least now
[22:25] <LaserJock> right, but how am I to know? that's what is confusing
[22:25] <LaserJock> each app acts differently
[22:25] <LaserJock> it's super confusing
[22:25] <kenvandine> LaserJock, perhaps when you quit empathy it should set you to offline?
[22:25] <kenvandine> and the session applet won't change that back unless you do it
[22:25] <LaserJock> but what if I don't want to be offline?
[22:26] <LaserJock> the thing is, "offline" is almost meaningless in this context
[22:26] <LaserJock> offline to what?
[22:26] <kenvandine> LaserJock, offline means you don't get messages
[22:26] <LaserJock> I just want a particular service to go away
[22:26] <kenvandine> yeah... so offline does that
[22:26] <LaserJock> but it will to all services, no?
[22:26] <kenvandine> IM
[22:27] <LaserJock> why only IM?
[22:27] <kenvandine> that is all the session applet sets now
[22:27] <LaserJock> well, but that's not the designed state of things is it?
[22:27] <kenvandine> we've talked about getting hints from that for other apps
[22:27] <kenvandine> so like gwibber might not send notifications if you have set offline or DND
[22:27] <kenvandine> it is
[22:28] <kenvandine> LaserJock, that was the design for the karmic cycle
[22:28] <LaserJock> ok, so what's the point of having it only interact with 1 service
[22:28] <LaserJock> 1 app even
[22:28] <kenvandine> not an app
[22:28] <kenvandine> a service
[22:28] <LaserJock> wouldn't it be better to just leave it alone?
[22:28] <kenvandine> it was a start
[22:28] <kenvandine> we want to use that to set some presence information/hints desktop wide
[22:28] <LaserJock> the inconsistency is worse than the problem trying to be fixed
[22:28] <LaserJock> ok
[22:28] <kenvandine> IM was the obvious start
[22:28] <LaserJock> *so* that goes back to my question
[22:28] <LaserJock> what if I only want a particular service "offline"
[22:29] <LaserJock> how will I do that?
[22:29] <kenvandine> you mean a single IM account?
[22:29] <LaserJock> no
[22:29] <LaserJock> say empathy, gwibber, and evolution are all using these hints or whatever
[22:29] <kenvandine> that is the only service affected by this
[22:29] <LaserJock> but you just said you hope more will use it
[22:29]  * kenvandine isn't a user experience guy :)
[22:29] <kenvandine> yeah
[22:29] <LaserJock> so if they do
[22:30] <kenvandine> there haven't been completely designed yet
[22:30] <LaserJock> what will the meaning of "offline" be
[22:30] <kenvandine> that interaction hasn't been completely decided
[22:30] <LaserJock> then why is it implemented!
[22:30] <kenvandine> it isn't
[22:30] <kenvandine> this was to prevent a regression
[22:30] <LaserJock> then why does this bug exist?
[22:31] <kenvandine> the fast user switching applet in jaunty and eariler would set your IM status
[22:31] <kenvandine> for pidgin
[22:31] <LaserJock> right, I thought that was a bug, but whatever
[22:31] <kenvandine> the difference is this sets pidgin or mission-control depending on which is running and configured
[22:31] <LaserJock> ok, but the real issue here is that pidgin is a user-facing app
[22:31] <LaserJock> mission-control is ont
[22:31] <LaserJock> *not
[22:31] <kenvandine> yeah
[22:32] <LaserJock> and that's a huge difference in behavior
[22:32] <LaserJock> I didn't even know mission-control existed
[22:32]  * kenvandine does think most people want to set themselves as offline when they want to be offline
[22:32] <LaserJock> all I knew was that I closed an app and then it kept reopening
[22:32] <kenvandine> yeah, it isn't obvious
[22:32] <kenvandine> but
[22:32] <LaserJock> when I want to be offline I close apps
[22:32] <kenvandine> note the status is still reported in the applet
[22:33] <kenvandine> so you can see you are still online
[22:33] <LaserJock> right
[22:33] <LaserJock> but it makes pretty much 0 sense to have to use an applet to actual "close" an app
[22:34]  * kenvandine thinks the concept of closing an app doesn't apply so much anymore
[22:34] <LaserJock> why not?
[22:34] <kenvandine> but that is a much bigger discussion than i can get into now :)
[22:34] <LaserJock> I've yet to experience a person who does anything but close the app when they decide they are done
[22:34] <kenvandine> anyway, if you have suggestions on how that interaction can be better please provide that
[22:34] <kenvandine> so the UX folks can weigh in
[22:35] <kenvandine> for openoffice that makes sense
[22:35] <kenvandine> but for communications that is different
[22:35] <LaserJock> my suggestion would be to get rid of the session status thing until more than empath/mission control uses it
[22:35] <kenvandine> do you unplug your land line phone at home when you aren't using your phone?
[22:35] <LaserJock> no, but I hang up the headset!
[22:35] <kenvandine> it's the same thing
[22:35] <kenvandine> people can still call you
[22:36] <LaserJock> but if you don't want them to, what do you do?
[22:36] <kenvandine> you just ignore it :)
[22:36] <LaserJock> you turn the bugger off or unplug it
[22:36] <LaserJock> with a cell phone you turn it off
[22:36] <kenvandine> so on your desktop, you set your IM to offline
[22:36] <LaserJock> no, I close the IM app ;-)
[22:37]  * kenvandine needs to get back to this UDS session :)
[22:37] <LaserJock> I mean, I understand where this is headed
[22:37] <kenvandine> LaserJock, please provide the feedback in the bug report though
[22:37] <LaserJock> but partial implementations are just more confusing
[22:38] <kenvandine> we definately want your feedback
[22:39] <LaserJock> kenvandine: I just dont' know how to give it, frankly
[22:40] <kenvandine> yeah... understand
[22:40] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is just really starting to feel far away from what I find personally usable
[22:40] <LaserJock> and since it seems to be by design I'm having problems trying to figure out how I can help
[22:41] <kenvandine> it isn't just ubuntu, it is more things are becoming more widely used across the desktop
[22:42] <kenvandine> which i think is awesome... the ability to leverage telepathy from other desktop apps is awesome
[22:42] <kenvandine> i think it is just good progress, evolution of desktop technologies
[22:42] <LaserJock> right
[22:42] <LaserJock> I've been using the desktop and file sharing
[22:42] <LaserJock> that's cool
[22:43] <LaserJock> but then empathy is really not a very good IM/IRC client for me
[22:43] <kenvandine> the thing is it needs to feel natural for you to set yourself as offline when you want to be offline
[22:43]  * kenvandine thinks it is a great IM client... but not a great irc client
[22:43] <LaserJock> so I get frustrated when features are added but seemingly basic stuff stops realy working
[22:43] <kenvandine> LaserJock, but this isn't something that stopped working, it is that it requires different behavior
[22:44] <LaserJock> my essential problem with all this is that I have very different levels of offline and online
[22:44] <LaserJock> well, I currently don't trust that I can use Ubuntu to give a presentation
[22:44] <LaserJock> I used to, but not any more
[22:44] <kenvandine> why not?
[22:44] <kenvandine> set yourself to offline and quit gwibber
[22:44] <LaserJock> because frankly I'm afraid some notification is going to pop up
[22:44] <kenvandine> quitting gwibber does kill the service now
[22:44] <LaserJock> but I don't know where they come from
[22:45] <LaserJock> because I didn't know about those, maybe there are others
[22:45] <LaserJock> after talking with you guys for a while I feel like I understand it a bit better
[22:45] <LaserJock> but there were a few days there where I was kinda freaked out
[22:45] <kenvandine> i added that quit behavior based on our conversation :)
[22:45] <LaserJock> things were just popping up, and I couldn't tell why
[22:45] <kenvandine> and for the next cycle gwibber will take hints from your status
[22:46] <kenvandine> so not display notifications when you are offline or dnd
[22:46] <kenvandine> something like that
[22:46] <LaserJock> yeah, that's definitely better
[22:46] <kenvandine> we have been discussing that this week at uds
[22:47] <kenvandine> we will use mission-control for a hint
[22:47] <LaserJock> I just started feeling like I couldn't trust my computer
[22:47] <LaserJock> which sounds silly
[22:47] <LaserJock> but I was going around with ps aux for a while making sure I had everything closed before doing a demo or talk for instance
[22:48] <LaserJock> which seems like a step down in usability, at least IMO :-)
[22:56] <LaserJock> speaking of empathy as an IM client, does anybody know how to get it to have chats all in the same window?
[23:51] <TheMuso> pitti: Would derivatives be able to set an additional gconf path when they install a particular gdm theme package, or does the gdm package need to be extended to add another path?
[23:59] <pitti> TheMuso: I'm not entirely sure; I think we should discuss that with seb128


[02:17] <Muscovy> The DNS is updated.
[02:17] <Muscovy> http://ubuntutour.org now points to a reliable host. :D
[02:17] <TourBot> Title: The Ubuntu Tour Project (at ubuntutour.org)
[02:21] <Omega> Muscovy: :D
[02:22] <Omega> Now we need to wait for it to propagate :)
[02:25] <Muscovy> Propagate?
[02:25] <Omega> Yes, wait for the dns servers to pick up the change :)
[02:26] <Muscovy> http://alexandos.org/subdomains/ubuntu-tour/test.txt http://ubuntutour.org/test.txt
[02:26] <TourBot> Title: Not Found | Ubuntu Tour (at ubuntutour.org)
[02:27] <Muscovy> The change seems to be in action.
[02:27] <Muscovy> Haha, the bot sees it.
[02:30] <Omega> I still can't :<


[01:07] <Kraus> I believe the development team is in a position where they can find someone else to update their designs.
[01:07] <Kraus> GOod day.
[09:49] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: I saw now the chat in support channel. I am very sorry you had to go through that conversation. You must be a saint.
[09:51] <MauroGaspari[m]> It has been a very difficult year for everyone. I find many people to be a bit "on edge" lately. You are doing great OvenWerks Eickmeyer and US team. Don't let some people drag you down guys, keep up the great work and cheers to US team. It is a group of wonderful people doing amazing work. 🥳🤩


[10:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:04] <arraybolt3> o/
[10:05] <arraybolt3> me and alkisg just got in a small fight over how to properly do local builds of deb packages. He won :P
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> come fight in -discuss :p
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> in other news, i found a nice app to auto shutdown an program, timelimit -t15 snap run firefox
[10:09] <arraybolt3> Nice!
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: I disagree with your redirection of Darkwarrior to -offtopic for that compatibility question. In the future, don't be so quick to redirect. It wasn't a question of opinion.
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Basically, you didn't have to answer at all.
[18:23] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: they're asking about personal experience on hardware they do not yet own
[18:24] <leftyfb> without someone with the exact same configuration, there is zero troubleshooting that can be done
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Doesn't matter. Don't be so quick to redirect. You didn't have to answer at all. You made the people in offtopic angry because that really was a support question. Was it opinion? Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it's not a support question.
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: My point is, there's no need to be so pedantic when people are asking a question. Try to be more friendly.
[22:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue766 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue766 :D
[22:54] <JanC> yeah, questions on whether certain hardware works with Ubuntu are best asked on #ubuntu or maybe #hardware
[22:54] <JanC> or on a forum maybe
[22:54] <JanC> web forum
[22:55] <JanC> or maybe answered with a link to some site(s) that list hardware compatibility or so
[22:56] <JanC> e.g. https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki


[15:28] <cristian_c> Hi
[15:29] <cristian_c> I'd like to use the pinch gesture on my multi-gesture touchpad
[15:29] <cristian_c> I was told to look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/11300/how-do-i-test-multi-gesture-capabilities-of-a-touchpad
[15:29] <cristian_c> but I don't know what set-prop is related to the pinch gesture
[15:29] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[17:46] <WebVisitor-1> hi
[17:48] <WebVisitor-1> I have an EEESlate EP150 and I just installed Ubuntu. The problem is that the touch screen is not working well. I can only use the pen but i cant use my finger to press buttons, and the multytouch is not working
[17:51] <cristian_c> WebVisitor-1, type: lsusb && lsusb -t
[17:52] <WebVisitor-1> ok, here's what I get:
[17:52] <WebVisitor-1> Commande 'type:' non trouvée, vouliez-vous dire :  La commande 'typer' du paquet 'erlang-typer' (universe) type: : commande introuvable rabeb@rabeb-EP121:~$ lsusb && lsusb -t Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Inte
[17:53] <cristian_c> !pastebin | WebVisitor-1
[17:55] <WebVisitor-1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303172/
[17:57] <cristian_c> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0eef:a001 D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd
[17:57] <cristian_c> WebVisitor, what is this?
[17:58] <WebVisitor-1> this is the output  of :  lsusb && lsusb -t
[17:58] <cristian_c> D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd
[17:59] <WebVisitor-1> I don't really know
[17:59] <WebVisitor-1> :(
[17:59] <cristian_c> ok
[17:59] <cristian_c> I'm searching
[18:00] <cristian_c> ok
[18:01] <cristian_c> WebVisitor-1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11428016&postcount=78
[18:01] <WebVisitor-1> thanks, i'll check it


[12:29] <lotusleaf> yay, a kubuntu universe team @ launchpad? :)
[12:30] <lotusleaf> yes, thank you allee :)
[12:31] <allee> lotusleaf: well, that just first step to get a bit of an overview ;)  Your welcome as the first kubuntu-universe-member ;)
[12:32] <lotusleaf> allee: oh? am I already a member? sweet! thank you, & thank you for bringing this up at the meeting
[12:32] <allee> no, but I will do it, promised :)
[12:32] <lotusleaf> (:
[12:33] <allee> lotusleaf: first I need some sleep
[12:33] <Riddell> someone called tonio just subscribed to kubuntu-bugs
[12:33] <lotusleaf> allee: ha! nn
[12:33] <nixternal> lol
[12:34] <nixternal> Riddell: took him long enough :)
[12:36] <nixternal> Kubuntu Universe..new one I take it
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh you saw me ;)
[12:38] <Tonio_> hehe shame on me :) I receive lots of bugs via launchpad but yeah I completly forgot to subscribe to this ;)
[12:38] <Tonio_> I wanted to do it silently, hidden......
[12:39] <nixternal> heh, i must have subscribed a long time ago
[12:40] <nixternal> yay Tonio_ because I am buying a new laptop soon with a synaptics touch pad, as I don't like the erasers
[12:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: well in fact I was comfortable using launchpad to receive all bugs, but yeah the ML is probably better :)
[12:40] <nixternal> ya, with the ML you won't miss a K bug for sure
[12:43] <Lure> [00:41]  <ailean> composite-by-default has been deferred? :(
[12:43] <Lure> that is good for us, as we did not plan it anyway ;-)
[12:43] <nixternal> \o/ YAY \o/
[12:43] <nixternal> please, never do composite by default, I don't care how pretty it is. lets wait for the new Kwin
[12:48] <Tonio_> nixternal: bah we don't want gtk deps anyway.....
[12:48] <nixternal> another good point
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: where is the current page to modify on the wiki for next UWN ?
[12:55] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24
[12:55] <Riddell> hmm
[12:55] <Tonio_> great thanks
[12:56] <nixternal> ya, they edit it in gobby, so Tonio_ contact Burgundavia or Burgwork and provide him some info if need be
[12:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's being edited just now, you'll need to poke Burgwork toot sweet
[12:57] <nixternal> toot sweet?
[12:57] <nixternal> that is a new one
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell, nixternal : okay thanks for the info
[12:58] <Riddell> nixternal: it's french
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it ?
[12:58] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[12:58] <Tonio_> tout de suite :)
[12:58] <Tonio_> haha
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to do it right now ?
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm talking to him if you want to snooze
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: not snoozing, I'm cooking :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> I don't want it to burn in fact....
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah if you can do it, it would be nice..... mushrooms are hard not to get burned
[01:43] <freeflying|away> moin all
[10:40] <\sh> moins
[11:27] <Riddell> Huahua, freeflying|away: when you first set up scim is there no way to get it working besides restarting X?
[11:33] <freeflying|away> Riddell: need restart X after set up
[11:39] <Riddell> freeflying|away: I'm adding support to language-selector for turning it on, I just feel dirty saying "you need to re-log in for this to take affect"
[12:07] <allee> \sh: ping
[12:08] <allee> \sh:  URL for your fai 3 dapper backport?
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_, nixternal: either of you looked at merging gwenview?
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi ;)
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you see with corey concerning the uwn ?
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: that wasn't necessarily a request :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: no but well I have time, so... I'm doing it right now
[12:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: corey said it should go in next week's UWN since the one he was working on was for last week
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks, I'll look at adding the modifications
[12:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you want to look at the translation issue at the same time see if you can work out what strings are in the upstream .pot (from gwenview-i18n) and are missing from ours
[12:17] <Riddell> although it might be due to the .pot filename
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: how do you proceed on that point ?
[12:22] <Tonio_> do you simply upload the pot file on rosetta ? I don't think we have that package
[12:22] <Tonio_> ah.... we have it sorry ;)
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: I need to fix it generally for all extragear.po files, I think it'll need various packages changes and all the kde-i18n-xx packages changed
[12:23] <Riddell> the filename in KDE SVN is different from the one that's actually needed, is the problem
[12:23] <Riddell> (I think)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: well we can have issues since we have gwenview-i18n 1.4.1 and gwenview 1.4.0 packages....
[12:23] <Tonio_> can't that cause issues ?
[12:24] <Tonio_> I'm not a specialist of translation things so....
[12:24] <Riddell> yes, that's why you said you were about to merge gwenview 1.4.1 :)
[12:24] <Riddell> someone just wrote https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KolabMailServer
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh !
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: gwenview now depends on exiv2 too.....
[12:24] <Tonio_> the problem is afaik exiv is in universe...
[12:25] <Riddell> oh rocking, quick, write a main inclusion review before Martin gets round to his batch of reviews
[12:25] <Tonio_> configure: error: You are missing libexiv2, which is required to compile Gwenview
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, yes will do that today
[12:25] <Riddell> but don't let it stop your merge and upload
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: writing it right now
[12:32] <allee> Riddell: Kolab? cool,  heh, but he chooses the openpkg way, not the debian pkgs
[12:34] <Riddell> allee: are there any sane debian packages?
[12:35] <allee> Riddell: they are not supported upstream of course, but it looks like the README.Debian file reaches some sort of perfection ;)
[12:35] <Riddell> allee: where are they?
[12:35] <Riddell> sebas: does that idle time detection need xscreensaver?
[12:36] <allee> Riddell: alioht pkg-kolab AFAIR
[12:36] <allee> yeah, pkg-kolab
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportExiv2
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think it is okay
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's a library in exiv2, but you deleted the line about complying to library policy
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum true, yes, I'm adding it
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I've checked at approved libs approved by pitty, they don't include this too, this is why I didn't put that
[12:40] <sebas> Riddell: Don't think so. It links against xss, however.
[12:40] <Riddell> right
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: added
[12:41] <Tonio_> sebas: hey ;)
[12:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: well he can see it himself, but it's always good for him to know you checked too
[12:41] <Tonio_> sebas: did you get the modified icons in my guidance tarball ?
[12:41] <sebas> Hey Tonio_
[12:41] <sebas> Tonio_: Which tarball?
[12:41] <sebas> I'm running guidance pre-svn all the time :>
[12:41] <Tonio_> sebas: I released a svn snapshot in guidance feisty, including modified icons for powermanager
[12:42] <Tonio_> sebas: want a tar file ?
[12:42] <sebas> Tonio_: Sure, but I already have Ken's new icons ... what icons do you have modified?
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: gwenview built and uploaded
[12:43] <Tonio_> sebas: 80% is missing, and there is another one causing an issue.... don't remember which one
[12:43] <Tonio_> sebas: I'm sending you the icons so that you can check by yourself the changes I've done
[12:44] <Tonio_> sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/icons.tar.Gz
[12:44] <Tonio_> sebas: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/icons.tar.gz
[12:44] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[12:44] <sebas> 404
[12:45] <Tonio_> sebas: refresh :)
[12:45] <Riddell> allee: what's wrong with it?
[12:45] <sebas> got it.
[12:46] <sebas> Tonio_: It's a mess, it contains old and new icons.
[12:46] <Tonio_> sebas: hu ?
[12:46] <sebas> Such as the directory in svn :/
[12:46] <Tonio_> sebas: yes, but I only changed the icons that are currently used, as 80% was missing and there is another one I had to replace
[12:46] <Tonio_> I never said I cleaned the thing ;)
[12:46] <sebas> Well, the 'lying battery' (newer, more fine-grained) and the 'standing'
[12:47] <sebas> Tonio_: I'll check so it works with svn and clean that one up then.
[12:47] <sebas> Deal?
[12:47] <Tonio_> sebas: sounds good
[12:47] <Tonio_> battery-charged.png was wrong afaicr
[12:47] <sebas> Ok, back to administrative KDE work then.
[12:47] <sebas> Aye.
[12:48] <Tonio_> I changed this one, and added new battery-charging-080.png and battery-discharging-080.png
[12:48] <Tonio_> this is the changes I've done if my remembering is correct
[12:48] <sebas> Thanks
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have digikamimageplugins 0.9rc2 too but I wait for digikam to build before uploading
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: why ?
[12:49] <Riddell> no pointing blocking on archive administration
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay so I have to test the build locally before :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I noticed that when a package is in dependancy wait, it is very long even once the dep has built to come back to needs building state, that was my point
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: by "don't" you mean don't upload or don't wait ? ;)
[12:51] <Riddell> don't wait
[12:52] <Riddell> upload digikam, upload digikamimageplugins with the necessary build-deps, wait for archive to sort itself out
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay will do
[12:53] <Tonio_> I know I should be too old for this but well...... ^^
[01:41] <allee> Riddell: well, a soname change usualy means that you have to adapt all apps using the lib. Otherwise you end up with with several version of the libs (and -dev pkgs too unless you accept to old deb can be rebuild)
[01:42] <Riddell> allee: yes, why is there an soname change?
[01:46] <allee> Riddell: not sure I had a quick look at the headers lot's of things have changed, but I don't know if they are part of the public interface.
[01:47] <allee> Riddell: at least one enum change definitely break the API it it's part of the public interface, but it could have been writen differentliy to not affect API
[01:47] <allee> Riddell: I'll ping Gilles, what really going on.
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question.... I have an issue with digikam, since a .h file required by digikamimageplugins is missing in the deb...
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can fix this by forcing the installation in the .install file, works, but is dirty
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: have another idea ?
[01:48] <Tonio_> I can do it via rules.... but I wonder what to change in the sources to get the .h file installed correctly...
[01:48] <allee> Riddell: but so a soname modeled after pkg version looks wrong (maybe true for a yound lib with 0.* but conceptionally wrong)
[01:49] <allee> Tonio_: really? digikamimageplugins rc2 build on edgy?  Which header is missing?
[01:49] <allee> s/edgy?/edgy./
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: ask upstream why it isn't installed I guess
[01:49] <Tonio_> allee: yes it builds, no issue
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as long as digikamimageplugins requires it, I assume it should be installed :)
[01:50] <Tonio_> allee: the missing file is digikam_export.h
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe a packaging issue probably...
[01:50] <Tonio_> I'm investigating
[01:53] <pinheiro> moin
[01:53] <allee> Tonio_: I assume so all /usr/include/*.h should be installed
[01:54] <Tonio_> allee: they all are installed except this one.... this is what drives me nuts...
[01:55] <Tonio_> allee: well I can force the installation via debian/rules, but I'd like to understand first why it isn't installed...
[01:57] <allee> Tonio_: wait I've now 0.12 installed and can rebuild digikam ...
[01:58] <Tonio_> allee: okay, tell me if you have /usr/include/kde/digikam/digikam_export.h
[01:58] <Tonio_> this is the missing one
[01:58] <allee> k
[01:58] <Tonio_> allee: it looks like only the .h files under libs dir are installed....
[01:59] <Tonio_> this one is under digikam folder, that may explain
[01:59] <allee> might be but I wonder why I got digikamimageplugins compiled here?
[01:59] <allee> lets see ...
[01:59] <Tonio_> in a certain way that makes sense.... I wonder if that's not a debhelper trick
[01:59] <Tonio_> allee: it compiled for you ?
[02:00] <Tonio_> well it compiles here but just the mo files... digikam is ignored because of that issue
[02:01] <Tonio_> allee: well in any case I can do that with a one line in debian/rules...
[02:01] <allee> Tonio_: then do it.  I can later fix it upstream ..
[02:02] <Tonio_> yes, that's my thinking actually
[02:10] <allee> strange, should be installed Makefile.am has: include_HEADERS = digikam_export.h, ah it ends up in /usr/include/KDE3 not /usr/include/KDE3/digikam
[02:10] <Tonio_> allee: ah ?
[02:10] <allee> Tonio_: I'll check if  digikaminclude_HEADERS is the right thing
[02:11] <allee> Tonio_: debian/tmp/usr/include/kde3 to be presise ;)
[02:12] <Tonio_> allee: debian/tmp/usr/include/kde here
[02:12] <Tonio_> allee: I install all of those files
[02:12] <Tonio_> debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/digikam/*
[02:12] <Tonio_> allee: it shouldn't be in kde/ afaik
[02:12] <Riddell> the correct kde path isn't being passed to ./configure
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: is a .h file supposed to be in ......./kde/ ?
[02:13] <allee>  debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/digikam/* is not  debian/tmp/usr/include/kde/* ;)
[02:13] <Tonio_> allee: yes, but we should probably patch to install it under digikam instead....
[02:13] <Tonio_> allee: works here
[02:13] <Riddell> if it wants to, I don't see why not
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but well that's not very clean, especially if all other files are going under digikam/
[02:14] <Riddell> it might not be a stable API
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you suggest changing the install file or patch for the installation directory ?
[02:15] <Tonio_> I can do both
[02:15] <Riddell> in which case it shouldn't be installed and digikamextrathings should probably have it own copy
[02:15] <Riddell> well, it can still be installed I guess
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, sure, but well.... the easy way is to fix the .install file, but the nice way would be to fix the file installation I guess...
[02:17] <Riddell> don't change where it's installed to
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll do that way then and just fix the install file
[02:21] <Riddell> do which way?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: install /usr/include/kde/*
[02:22] <Riddell> where does the extras thing #include it from?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: both case work
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just tested and it works if the file ends up in kde/ or kde/digikam/
[02:24] <Tonio_> my first idea was to mv the file from kde/ to kde/digikam/ during the install part
[02:24] <Tonio_> but as you don't think we should change the installation path... :)
[02:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the extra thing doesn't include it, but includes dimg.h which includes it
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: and what's the #include line in that?
[02:26] <Tonio_> #include "digikam_export.h"
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I think changing the directory is better ;)
[02:27] <Riddell> yes, I agree then
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: all version since 0.7.4 have digikam_export.h in /usr/include/kde3.  Not the digikam subdir.  So the digikam.install file needs fixing
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's do that way then :)
[02:27] <Riddell> put it in /usr/include/kde3
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: ah ? okay
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it is /usr/include/kde here
[02:27] <Tonio_> not kde3
[02:28] <Riddell> hmm, so it is
[02:28] <Riddell> ok, put it in /usr/include/kde
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: okay I'll do that way, there might be a reason for this then.......
[02:28] <allee> Tonio_: oh, right no 3
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: but that's not clean in my opinion ;)
[02:31] <allee> Tonio_: I tend to agree.  But a clean fix can wait until rc3 or final
[02:32] <Tonio_> allee: sure
[02:32] <Tonio_> allee: well I'm rebuilding and reuploading digikam, and then once built I'll upload the plugins
[02:33] <Tonio_> since building with the current version will produce empty deb
[02:33] <Tonio_> sad that those plugins are so big, since they are really great !
[02:33] <Tonio_> I'd like to have them on the cd
[02:34] <Riddell> new kdebase is in -updates
[02:35] <Tonio_> great
[02:35] <Tonio_> ho I have to ping mdz concerning digikam on edgy..... nobody gave a look to my sru proposal
[02:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: he's not doing SRU
[02:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's cjwatson that's doing it in theory
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll ping him then
[02:36] <allee> Tonio_: not sure if this distinction is possible and worth the work, but one could splitt into  digikamimaplugins -base and -extras
[02:38] <Tonio_> allee: hum maybe yes, that's an idea... with a meta to provide everything, that can make sense
[02:40] <Tonio_> I can't wait for the new kaffeine with the kpart fix...........
[02:41] <Tonio_> allee: just read that yesterday, upstream is finally fixing the kpart crashing konqueror issue :)
[02:43] <Tonio_> allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9802&forummode=2&forumpage=16&forumexplevel=99 third message
[03:02] <Riddell> work of perfection http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kcontrol.png
[03:02] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kcontrol2.png
[03:03] <raphink> nice
[03:04] <raphink> Riddell: I wonder if this box could actually be presented the way keyboard layouts are
[03:04] <raphink> maybe it would make it easier to use
[03:04] <Riddell> which box?
[03:05] <raphink> I mean the language-selector module
[03:05] <Riddell> with tickboxes?
[03:05] <raphink> no I mean
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: is clicking to "default" always putting english in the first place ?
[03:05] <raphink> instead of having a single list of selected languages
[03:05] <raphink> and a menu to add languages
[03:05] <Tonio_> that's a very old kubuntu bug
[03:05] <raphink> to have it the way the keyboard layout selector is
[03:05] <Tonio_> maybe a kde one
[03:05] <raphink> as in
[03:05] <raphink> two colomns
[03:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: C is US English yes
[03:05] <raphink> one for the available languages
[03:05] <raphink> the other for the selected ones
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh..... I'd like to see that fixed for feisty....
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I checked once and I think this is hardcoded stuff...
[03:06] <raphink> yes it is
[03:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: but yeah, the idea is pretty great
[03:06] <raphink> I remember taht
[03:06] <Tonio_> raphink: yeah we checked together
[03:06] <raphink> yep
[03:07] <Tonio_> is it hard to read tne env variables ? :)
[03:07] <raphink> not to mention the fact that you get only US listed when yo ufirst open the module
[03:07] <raphink> even if your system is not in English
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I forgot that about ksynaptics..... to let it work you have to manually touch xorg.conf to activate shared memory...
[03:08] <Tonio_> Shared Memory is not accessible.
[03:08] <Tonio_> Please add the option 'SHMConfig ''on''' into the touch pad section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, that's evil
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is
[03:09] <Tonio_> no way to include that in main then......
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will probably just patch the desktop file to come in systemsettings and that's it
[03:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: well no security issue as long as it is optional and requires the user to do it, but that'll give a bunch of complains if we provide this
[03:10] <Tonio_> and the point is that we cannot, of course, automate this xorg.conf change....
[03:10] <Tonio_> sh**
[03:11] <Riddell> nope
[03:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about a script that would ask user "do you want to activate this ?"
[03:12] <Tonio_> as long as it is not automatic....
[03:12] <Riddell> risky
[03:12] <Riddell> couldn't go in main anyway
[03:13] <Tonio_> hum, forget this, hard to do and dangerous....
[03:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm just fixing the package for systemsettings and that's it
[03:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing we should do is listing and fixing all packages that provide a kcm module
[03:13] <Tonio_> since they don't appear in systemsettings by default
[03:13] <Riddell> well system settings should merge them in by default
[03:14] <Riddell> it's system settings that needs fixed
[03:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, well the problem is that we have splitted catgories compares to kcontrol
[03:15] <Tonio_> but we should use kcontrol categories as much as we can I agree
[03:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can do that, I'll fix systemsettings then
[03:15] <Tonio_> that will replace ksynaptics stuff then ;)
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: but just to be sure : how do we want to hide things in systemsettings if we use the kcontrol categories ?
[03:17] <Tonio_> we need to provide all the desktop files with a NoDisplay=true tag then no ?
[03:17] <Tonio_> I think that's because we hide things that we used different tags
[03:20] <Riddell> they can be hidden in the /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu file
[03:21] <Riddell> use <Exclude></Exclude> or something
[03:21] <Riddell> certinaly don't edit the .desktop files, that'll hide them in KControl too
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, so in fact we have to go back to the way it worked before :)
[03:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: any idea why it was changed?
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should ask Sime
[03:23] <Tonio_> he did this
[03:24] <Riddell> but we do include categories <Category>X-KDE-systemsettings-administration</Category>  etc
[03:24] <Riddell> why doesn't that let ksynaptics show up?
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: because the tag isn't the same :)
[03:25] <Tonio_> X-KDE-systemsettings-administration <> X-KDE-administration
[03:25] <Tonio_> that's why I suggested to patch the kcm modules in universe
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the tags for systemsettings inclusion are now specific to systemsettings
[03:25] <Riddell> so why do we change the category names?
[03:26] <Riddell> that makes no sense to me, they wouldn't be used
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: because according to Sime the idea was to display only what we want instead of hidding what we don't want
[03:26] <Tonio_> I don't know why he did this but he did the change, I remember clearly discussing this with him....
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: good lunch :)
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping him and we'll fix this
[03:28] <Tonio_> HU ? Reiser is in prison ??? omg....
[03:29] <Tonio_> I just discovered that news....
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya
[03:51] <Jucato> boo
[03:54] <bddebian> aaahh
[03:54] <bddebian> :)
[04:10] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[04:13] <nixternal> Riddell: you just one upped me with the Herd2 beginning ;)
[04:26] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[04:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: see pitti in #ubuntu-devel
[04:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not sure to understand what's soname issue you were talking about with allee... that's too "developer" thing for me ;)
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you explain me a bit please ?
[04:40] <Tonio_> that would help as I'm not very used to package libs :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> or allee maybe ?
[04:43] <ryanakca> why does libc6   have locales as a dependency and a suggests at the same time? wouldn't having it as a dependency kindof automaticly have it as a "suggests"?
[04:54] <allee> Tonio_: I've to leave soon (christmas presents). so tersly:  soname are used by object loader to locate libs.  As soon (and only then) when the installation of a new lib will break apps linked agaist older version, develper, should change the soname.  Soname is usually  lib<namem>.so.<major>.  That allows to have several API/ABI revisions of a lib installed.
[04:57] <Lure> Tonio_: in short, if API/ABI changes (different function return values/arguments), then soname (shared object name) should change as it will break all apps that link with it
[04:57] <allee> Tonio_: as ABI/API breakage should not happen with each release it makes no sense to use tarball version in soname.  (usal is 1 2 3 4 )
[04:59] <Tonio_> allee: okay makes sense now, thanks for the tip
[04:59] <allee> Tonio_: exiv uses pkg version in soname, that raised some doubts ;)
[04:59] <Tonio_> okay now it is clear :)
[05:01] <allee> Tonio_: yound libs may break ABI with each release, nevertheless it's not good pratcive to  release-version == soname-major
[05:01] <allee> bbl
[05:02] <Tonio_> allee: seya
[05:04] <Riddell> hmm, christmas presents
[05:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: still planning to sort out the Meeting page and UWN?
[06:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I'm doing that toonight probably
[06:03] <Riddell> groovy
[06:03] <Tonio_> not time before that.... unfortunately
[06:19] <nixternal> anyone having issues with gnupg after the update?
[06:20] <nixternal> nixternal@MasTequila:~$ gpg --list-keys
[06:20] <nixternal> gpg: can't open `/home/nixternal/.gnupg/pubring.gpg'
[06:20] <nixternal> gpg: keydb_search_first failed: file open error
[06:20] <nixternal> lovely
[06:21] <nixternal> fixed...stupid update chown the file root:root
[07:33] <jjesse> quick question bug #70102 still exists in feisty hurd 1, in edgy it was reported against the package linux-source-2.6.17 should i change it to the current kernel in feisty?
[07:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70102 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Toshiba Satellite A70 always reports lid as closed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70102
[07:35] <Riddell> jjesse: don't think it matters
[07:35] <jjesse> should i just say that i'm still having the problem in feisty?
[07:36] <Lure> jjesse: yes
[07:36] <jjesse> ok
[07:36] <jjesse> add lshal like last time?
[08:10] <Lure> Riddell: anything missing in SRU for /.hidden - bug 75017
[08:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU request: remove /.hidden file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75017
[08:10] <Lure> Riddell: where is the source repo for k-d-s to grab the diff and attach it?
[08:10] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^
[08:11] <Riddell> Lure: kdebase got in edgy-updates by the way, no complaints so far
[08:11] <Riddell> Lure: launchpad.net/products/kubuntu-default-settings
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: bzr?
[08:11] <Riddell> Lure: yes, click on Code and it'll give you the bzr branch
[08:12] <Riddell> Lure: background on 75017 is good but if course it misses the debdiff
[08:13] <Riddell> Lure: you should just do a debdiff against the k-d-s in edgy, not frombzr
[08:13] <Lure> Riddell: that is what I plan to do - I am just looking for what Tonio_ did exactly to backport exactly the same change
[08:14] <Lure> Riddell: ok, right - I can do debdiff edgy feisty....
[08:15] <Riddell> Lure: but change the changelog entry for the distro (edgy-proposed) and version number -XubuntuX.1
[08:16] <Lure> Riddell: will prepare it for review before attaching ;-)
[08:39] <Lure> Riddell: since k-d-s does not have debian/patches, is it OK that debdiff changes orig.tar.gz directly?
[08:41] <Riddell> Lure: since it's just a 1 line edit in the Makefile that should be fine
[08:41] <Riddell> leave the actual file there, just don't install it
[08:42] <Lure> ok, so Makefile, .postinst and change log
[08:42] <Lure> Riddell: will boot into edgy and test first
[08:44] <Riddell> yep
[08:46] <Lure> Riddell: actually, I think postinst in feisty is not enough for users upgrading from edgy - it does not remove existing symlink
[08:46] <Riddell> doesn't need to, it'll be removed by not being in the file
[08:46] <Riddell> s/file/package/
[08:47] <Lure> Riddell: but symlink was created by postinst script (ln -s) - will it work still!?
[08:48] <Riddell> oh, so it is.  bummer
[08:48] <Riddell> but for the update, should be enough just not to install the /etc file
[08:48] <Riddell> don't need to touch the postinst
[08:49] <jjesse> i noticed that bug 36552 hasn't been updated since 2006-04-21 can we close this bug? or does anyone know if there is still a problem?
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36552 in kdenetwork "Kubuntu Flight 5: kwifimanager unable to perform scan" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36552
[08:50] <Lure> Riddell: but then we will leave the users with dangling symlink in /.hidden
[08:52] <Riddell> does no harm
[08:52] <Riddell> and means if they have edited their .hidden file to their preferences, that won't magically disappear
[08:53] <Lure> Riddell: we could any remove if symlinks still points to original location
[08:53] <Riddell> jjesse: probably a problem on his card, ask if it's still an issue and close after some time if no response
[08:53] <Riddell> Lure: pardon?
[08:54] <Lure> new postinst could check if /.hidden is symlink and points to /usr/shares/k-d-s/... then remove it, otherwise leave it intact
[08:57] <Riddell> it's not necessary for the update, so don't do it
[08:57] <Riddell> updates should do the minimum possible
[09:00] <Lure> Riddell: I am concerned that mdz/cjwatson will not like leaving dangling sym link in /
[09:03] <Riddell> Lure: I know they won't like doing more than necessary in a SRU
[09:03] <Riddell> (which doesn't mean you're not right, but my bets are on leaving it)
[09:06] <Lure> Riddell: ok, we can add later if they complain
[09:42] <Lure> Riddell: it does not work w/o removing the symlink as old file stays in /etc/k-d-s - will add code to remove symlink instead
[09:48] <Lure> ryanakca: apt-get segfaulting? feisty or edgy?
[09:48] <ryanakca> edgy
[09:48] <ryanakca> just a sec
[09:48] <ryanakca> [15:44]  <ryanakca> why does apt* keep on crashing with a sigsev? backtrace : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35927/          I've reinstalled apt and libc6 and rebooted as well to try to fix the problem. I've remove /var/lib/apt/lists/*, same problem. run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a, same problem
[09:49] <ryanakca> I've been trying to get it fixed for a couple of days now
[09:50] <Lure> ryanakca: i386?
[09:50] <Lure> otr amd64?
[09:51] <ryanakca> it's a 686
[09:51] <ryanakca> yep
[09:51] <ryanakca> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-10-386 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 42/186GB, RAM: 371/375MB, 142 proc's, 20.26h up
[09:51] <Lure> ryanakca: can you do "bt" before exit in gdb? does it print more stach than just strlen?
[09:52] <ryanakca> yeah... looks like it's all libc6 stuff... even though I've reinstalled it... just a sec
[09:54] <Lure> Riddell: can you review this debdiff http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/k-d-s.debdiff?
[09:54] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^
[09:54] <ryanakca> http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/aptsigsev
[09:57] <ryanakca> should I put it threw strace?
[10:09] <Lure> ryanakca: nothing on that link - is it correct?
[10:09] <ryanakca> erm... no... my apache server must be sick
[10:12] <ryanakca> here we go... I've got all my straces and the outputs from gdb in aptsigsevs.tar.gz... should I e-mail it to you? I'd stick it on apache... but for some reason it refuses to start
[10:13] <Lure> ryanakca: ok - lure @ ubuntu . com
[10:13] <ryanakca> kk, ty, just a sec
[10:15] <ryanakca> sent
[10:30] <Lure> ryanakca: if you remove /var/lib/apt/lists/*, is then the strace the same?
[10:30] <Riddell> Lure: you did edit the postinst?
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: I had to - it does not work otherwise, as /etc/k-d-s/ file is not removed (as it is config file)
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: I have tested this carefully so it should be pretty safe
[10:32] <ryanakca> nope, but still sigsevs
[10:32] <Riddell> right
[10:32] <Riddell> hmm, config files should be removed
[10:33] <ryanakca> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35962/
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: they are not :-(
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: I have tested it carefully by simulating all cases (no .hidden, .hidden is regular file, .hidden is simlink to some other location...)
[10:35] <Lure> Riddell: it removes it only if sym link and only if it points to /etc/k-d-s/hidden-root
[10:35] <Lure> Riddell: can I attach and finalize SRU?
[10:42] <Lure> ryanakca: this is really strange - I do not understand what beside libc6 could be the problem - this is more or less only dependancy they share...
[10:42] <Lure> ryanakca: but it crashes in strlen() which is so widely used that it is unbeliveable
[10:51] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:52] <ryanakca> file a bug report?
[10:53] <Lure> ryanakca: yes
[10:57] <ryanakca> kk
[10:58] <nixternal> who sent me a book through amazon?
[10:58] <nixternal> i got my python books today, and then there was a "Security+ Guide to Network Security" as well, and I never ordered it/paid for it, and it isn't on my wishlist :)
[11:01] <Riddell> Lure: sure, attach away
[11:01] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[11:10] <Lure> Riddell: I think bug 75017 is now all set according to SRU rules
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU request: remove /.hidden file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75017
[11:15] <Lure> Riddell: you should probably put some comment about you supporting this, as I am not even motu and they might ignore it ;-)
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: added
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: not sure how quickly SRUs are processed as there are quite some in queue
[11:54] <Lure> Riddell: there 4 just for Kubuntu...


[19:21] <cousteau> sup
[19:21] <cousteau> My mouse is too slow.  Is there a way to increase its velocity?  I see parameters for "acceleration" and "sensitivity" but those don't seem to do much


[01:12] <mup> Bug #1962378 opened: [3.1] maas vs [0.6.5] maas-cli snap partial commands support <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1962378>


 Ich soll dpkg - configure - a eingeben. Wo und wie geht das bitte?
[11:38] <cuber2460> borysb
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi all, I just wanted to ask if anyone have any advice to improve my experience with kubuntu. I mean it is great but i'd like to know if it can be better
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[12:39] <Elliria> Do you have any specifics on what parts of Kubuntu need improvement? Kubuntu is  very customizable.
[12:47] <utkojhamela> Don't use the trash
 How and why (re @IrcsomeBot: <utkojhamela> Don't use the trash)
 No just a general question (re @IrcsomeBot: <Elliria> Do you have any specifics on what parts of Kubuntu need improvement? Kubuntu is  very customizable.)
[12:56] <Elliria> I make man customizations automatically right after installation and you'll probably find that you will, too. I recommend making notes of the things you change, because the list can grow quite quickly considering how many options are available to you for customizing just about every aspect of the experience.
[12:56] <Elliria> *many


[00:46] <Adhikarin> I don't want ubuntu to leave Unity, Are there some forum or place for tu vote or say to Mark Shutteleworth don't to leave Unity
[00:49] <Adhikarin> Congratulations to the developers, they have done a great job with Unity.
[00:49] <Adhikarin> Ciao !
[00:50] <Adhikarin> quit
[02:15] <lpotter> I dont think Canonical is a democracy...


[00:01] <darkxst> jbicha, ok.
[00:02] <darkxst> I should have some time to do a bunch more later today.
[00:03] <darkxst> jbicha, are you missing background on 3.7.5?
[00:14] <jbicha> darkxst: no, but I don't have ubuntu-settings installed either https://launchpadlibrarian.net/130099807/ubuntu-settings_12.10.6_12.10.7.diff.gz
[00:15] <jbicha> we need to figure out whether we should explicitly override the Ubuntu overrides in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[00:18] <darkxst> we probably need to, if they are going to go an disable stuff like that!
[00:36] <darkxst> jbicha, seems latest cogl is quite unhappy about having g-s-d background plugin disabled
[00:36] <darkxst> seg faults everytime trying to enter overview
[00:37] <darkxst> (fixed itself after I removed ubuntu-settings)
[00:38] <darkxst> cogl 1.14
[00:40] <jbicha> darkxst: ok but there's still the question of whether we should explicitly override other settings
[00:41] <darkxst> jbicha, or conflict against ubuntu-settings?
[00:41] <darkxst> probably you don't want ubuntu-settings if you have install ubuntu-gnome-setting
[00:42] <jbicha> darkxst: ubuntu-settings is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop though so maybe change that to an alternate dependency too
[00:48] <darkxst> I think that would be best
[00:53] <darkxst> or it could be nice if there were per-DE overrides, but I don't think thats actually possible
[00:56] <jbicha> desrt wanted that but I don't know whether that's possible yet
[07:51] <darkxst> ricotz, how do I update .symbols files? there are a lot of changed symbols in libsoup update
[07:57] <ricotz> darkxst, apply the diff which you get on the build failure
[07:57] <ricotz> and change the version to the upstream version only
[09:06] <darkxst> ricotz, change the overall version aka. library version?
[09:08] <darkxst> or something else
[09:18] <ricotz> it should be the upstream version without the debian part
[09:27] <darkxst> hmm so just this in the changelog?, libsoup2.4 (2.41.5-0ubuntu1) raring; urgency=low ? and/or libsoup2.4-1 > libsoup2.4(1)?
[09:31] <ricotz> darkxst, "2.41.5"
[09:31] <ricotz> you asked about the symbols file
[09:31] <darkxst> yeh
[09:32] <darkxst> but got confused I guess, it has
[09:32] <darkxst> libsoup-2.4.so.1 libsoup2.4-1
[09:33] <ricotz> did you built your package?
[09:33] <darkxst> (for 2.40.1)
[09:33] <ricotz> it will complain about new symbols normally
[09:33] <ricotz> which gives you a diff to apply
[09:34] <darkxst> I patch the file and libsoup built
[09:37] <ricotz> if you already done it, you don't really gave me much to work with
[09:37] <ricotz> look at the file you make the new symbols match the scheme of the old entries
[09:38] <ricotz> don't change the first line (soname) if there wasnt a bump
[09:44] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/GKJTjsJN
[09:45] <darkxst> sorry wrong on
[09:45] <darkxst> one
[09:47] <darkxst> right one, http://pastebin.com/DtQk8PLJ
[09:48] <ricotz> darkxst, are you using a chroot/pbuilder to build?
[09:49] <ricotz> you are probably missing some builddeps
[09:49] <darkxst> hmm no
[10:04] <ricotz> darkxst, seems like bad luck for you, this looks like an upstream problem imo
[10:04] <ricotz> probably some deprecation fallout
[10:16] <darkxst> meh pbuilder not happy either
[10:16] <darkxst> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring/main libdconf1 amd64 0.15.2-0ubuntu4
[10:16] <darkxst>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:23] <ricotz> darkxst, ok, the symbols removals seems fine since they never were part of the public api
[10:23] <ricotz> done between 2.41.1 > 2.41.2
[10:29] <ricotz> darkxst, i had a look at the package and will push it to gnome3-staging
[10:31] <darkxst> ricotz, thanks
[10:40] <darkxst> atleast, gnome-documents requires it
[18:08] <ricotz> jbicha, just a heads up, cogl >= 1.13.2 will be needed soon, currently it seems avoidable with some reverts though
[18:18] <jbicha> ricotz: that doesn't sound fun, we can't run apps built against two different cogl's at the same time?
[18:18] <ricotz> jbicha, exactly
[18:18] <ricotz> we can't
[18:19] <jbicha> and we can't land the new cogl in raring directly because gnome 3.6 won't work with it easily?
[18:20] <ricotz> jbicha, it is suppose to be API compatible, so it should work
[18:22] <jbicha> ok, do you want to open a tracking bug at some point?
[18:22] <jbicha> we don't need new clutter then?
[18:23] <ricotz> imo they should go together
[18:24] <jbicha> I think seb128 will let us land a few 3.8 things if it's "safe"
[18:24] <ricotz> it should be tested before going for it
[18:25] <ricotz> this requires a rebuild of lot of things as you know :\
[18:25] <jbicha> yeah
[18:25] <ricotz> clutter master currently depends on cogl 1.13.2
[18:25] <ricotz> but it is avoidable
[18:25] <jbicha> like gnome-games 3.8 should be easy since except for the split, not much has been done with them
[18:26] <ricotz> (clutter 1.14 i mean)
[18:27] <ricotz> it would be reasonable to copy the shlibs mechanism of gjs/mozjs
[18:28] <ricotz> to bundle clutter/cogl together
[18:28] <ricotz> which should make it impossible to have a no-working install combination
[18:30] <jbicha> ok that's beyond my expertise :)
[18:33] <ricotz> i see
[18:33] <ricotz> the problem is also to hope there won't be another cogl soname bump
[21:40] <darkxst> http://pastebin.com/6F61502i
[22:02] <darkxst> jbicha, ricotz ^
[22:08] <darkxst> do you want debdiff's for pacakges that have no debian changes required? (gnome-sushi, gnome-system-monitor etc..)
[22:10] <jbicha> darkxst: sure, it will help fill out your https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+related-packages
[22:12] <jbicha> it's not as significant as if there were lots of things that needed to be changed but I think it still helps
[22:14] <darkxst> gnome-sushi http://pastebin.com/pbSvE2xu
[22:15] <darkxst> gnome-system-monitor http://pastebin.com/8zMrTcek
[22:44] <darkxst> gsettings http://pastebin.com/24Stcb79
[23:06] <darkxst> ricotz, is xorg 1.14 going to land this cycle?
[23:24] <ricotz> darkxst, yes, i think so
[23:29] <darkxst> ok, cool
[23:58] <darkxst> jbicha, don't know if you saw this one, before you got disconnect, gsettings http://pastebin.com/24Stcb79


[02:34] <doctormo> jcastro: Did you had a good time at FOSSCON?
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <dholbach> hola ara
[06:49] <ara> morning dholbach, all
[06:56] <jussi> You know I think Ill severely laugh if Germany, England, Spain, France and Italy all fail to get through the group stages...
[06:59] <JanC> jussi: yeah, it this level, even Belgium could end as the group winner  ;)
[06:59] <jussi> JanC: o.O
[06:59] <JanC> *at this*
[07:00] <JanC> also funny how most of the teams actually have players that play or played in the Belgian competition  ;)
[07:01] <JanC> except for Italy, France, England, Spain & Germany, that is  :P
[07:02] <dholbach> Belgian competition?
[07:03] <JanC> like, 2 years ago or so, 7 of the players of Ivory Coast played in Belgium (okay, they lost 3-1 from Brazil yesterday...)
[07:05] <dholbach> that's not "most of the teams" :)
[07:05] <JanC> dholbach: still: Paraguay, Serbia, etc.
[07:06] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:06] <JanC> I don't remember all the teams
[07:06] <dholbach> right
[07:08] <JanC> Ivory Coast was just an extreme case (one Belgian team played with 5 or 6 players from Ivory Coast for 2 years, and most of them ended up in the national team it appears
[07:09] <JanC> that team wasn't exactly a top team though
[07:09] <JanC> so maybe that's why they lost from Brazil  ;)
[08:05] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:05] <ara> morning dpm
[08:05] <dpm> hey ara :)
[09:22] <dholbach> hey dpm, hey randa_
[09:22] <randa_> hello dholbach
[10:32] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:44] <nigelb> dholbach: you're still in tears after Germany's DEFEAT ;) ?
[10:44]  * nigelb runs
[10:44] <dholbach> nigelb: I survived
[10:45] <nigelb> dholbach: heh, good :)
[12:14] <akgraner> dholbach, ping
[12:14] <dholbach> akgraner: pong
[12:15] <akgraner> do you have a couple mins to talk about Dev Week?
[12:15] <dholbach> yep
[12:15] <akgraner> awesome!
[12:23] <dholbach> can you all go and update your teams and venues in http://loco.ubuntu.com/venues/ and http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ please?
[13:49] <akgraner> dholbach, does developer week have a logo like open week?
[13:49] <akgraner> I didn't see it on the wiki's but didn't want to assume one didn't exist :-)
[14:13] <paultag> hey akgraner, prod
[14:13] <paultag> akgraner: you are north carolina, yeah?
[14:13] <akgraner> paultag, yeppers
[14:13] <paultag> akgraner: when were yall approved, again?
[14:14] <akgraner> a couple months ago
[14:14] <akgraner> one sec I'll get you the exact date
[14:14] <paultag> akgraner: ok, right. I think you are subject to an issue with membership length
[14:15] <paultag> akgraner: I'll sort you out, just wanted to make sure before I pulled up LP :)
[14:15] <akgraner> paultag, April 20, 2010 1744 EDT
[14:15] <paultag> akgraner: yupp. Thanks :)
[14:15] <akgraner> :-)  thanks!
[14:15] <paultag> no problems :)
[14:25] <dholbach> akgraner: nope
[14:28] <akgraner> dholbach, I updated the dates for Dev Week on the wiki - but wasn't sure if you leave the old time table on the page until you get the new one or how you do that - so didn't mess with that one...
[14:31] <dholbach> akgraner: which dates did you update? I thought I had updated the ones on UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep?
[14:33] <akgraner> you did on prep - I updated them on the UbuntuDeveloperWeek page - was I not supposed to?  I'll change them back if ya want...
[14:33] <dholbach> akgraner: I thought I'd update the timetable as soon as we have the complete schedule planned
[14:33] <dholbach> akgraner: what do you think? how did you do it?
[14:34] <akgraner> I got confused when I first look at the page - so I just updated the dates - but thought about adding - a line for the timetable  - to add sessions go to and then list the prep page
[14:35] <akgraner> I didn't want people to see the full schedule from last time and think we had enough people
[14:35] <akgraner> but wanted to as before I did that...
[14:36] <akgraner> dholbach, let me change it to show ya what I mean  - :-)  we can always revert the page if you don't think it works for this
[14:37] <dholbach> akgraner: we can have both on there as well
[14:37] <dholbach> akgraner: saying "next UDW is ………, we're planning <link to the page>"
[14:38] <akgraner> ok that's what I'll do then :-)...  (I do things the hard way sometimes  - so now I just ask :-)
[14:38]  * dholbach hugs akgraner
[14:38] <dholbach> you're doing great
[14:39] <dholbach> I just didn't know what was going on … which is fine too, I just thought I'd ask :)
[14:55] <akgraner> :-)
[16:21] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:26] <jono> dholbach, 'allo sailor
[16:26] <jono> :)
[16:37] <cjohnston> o.
[16:37] <cjohnston> o/ too
[16:52] <vish> jono: hi, is there a bug jam scheduled any time soon?
[16:53] <jono> vish, we plan the Ubuntu Global Jam in this cycle
[16:53] <vish> neat!
[16:59] <dholbach> jono: just wrapping up a longer email and will re-locate to use ethernet cable instead of wifi - brb in a few
[16:59] <jono> dholbach, np
[17:02] <dholbach_> jono: back again
[17:03] <cjohnston> jono: if you could try to fit me in for a couple minutes today, that would be great. ;-)
[17:05] <jono> cjohnston, sure
[17:05] <jono> dholbach, one sec
[17:05] <dholbach> jono: sure
[17:06] <jono> cjohnston, 1pm Pacific?
[17:06] <jono> cjohnston, actually
[17:06] <jono> lets do it after my call with dholbach
[17:06] <jono> so in about an hour?
[17:06] <cjohnston> ok
[17:06] <cjohnston> sure
[17:07] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[17:07] <jono> dholbach, ok signing into mumble
[17:07] <cjohnston> no, thank you
[17:07] <jono> cjohnston, :)
[17:50] <dholbach> alrightie, see you guys tomorrow
[17:50] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeee
[17:50] <cjohnston> have a good night dholbach !
[17:50] <dholbach> :-)
[17:51] <jono> dpm, jcastro before our calls this week could you go through your blueprints and separate them out into the Alphas
[17:51] <jono> I know you have done some of them
[17:51] <jono> dpm, jcastro as an example: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-patch-review-initiative
[17:51] <dpm> jono, mine should be all separated into milestones
[17:51] <jono> dpm, thanks!
[17:51] <jono> jcastro, what is the status on yours?
[17:53] <jono> ahhh yes, jcastro is out at a conf
[18:06] <jono> cjohnston, free now?
[18:06] <cjohnston> yup
[18:07] <cjohnston> skype/phone?
[18:08] <jono> cjohnston, skype please
[18:08] <cjohnston> okie.. whenever your ready
[18:12] <cjohnston> thanks jono! easy enough!
[18:12] <jono> cjohnston, np :)
[18:48] <paultag> jono: heyya jono, have a sec?
[18:48] <paultag> I figure IRC is faster then email
[18:48] <jono> paultag, sure
[18:49] <paultag> jono: so what I was talking about is that the locoteams-approved lp group had a 360 membership length for the last few years, and no one noticed
[18:50] <paultag> jono: so teams started getting warned that they were about to expire, even though they were not even being considered for review
[18:50] <paultag> jono: so some contacts went into panic mode, and emailed you + the loco council in DEFCON 5 mode
[18:50] <jono> paultag, ahhh yes
[18:50] <jono> is this resolved now?
[18:50] <paultag> just letting you know that it's all set and taken care of. don't want you loosing sleep jono :)
[18:50] <paultag> jono: all set. I went through and got everyone in place.
[18:51] <jono> thanks!
[18:51] <jono> paultag, you rock, dude :)
[18:51] <paultag> no problem :)
[18:51] <paultag> jono: by the way, did you hear about mhall's new meme?
[18:52] <doctormo> jono: I agree, paultag does rock.
[18:52] <paultag> haha, oh you
[18:53] <jono> paultag, I heard something, what is it?
[18:53] <paultag> jono: it all started in the locoteams room with this:
[18:53] <paultag> < xhaker> itnet7 and paultag ubuntu-pt LoCo is expiring. I can't reach  jono and the LoCo council seems to be the next best thing. Care to help?
[18:53] <paultag> jono: then dholbach started in, and now it's a full blown meme
[18:53] <jono> right
[18:53] <jono> what is the meme?
 yo paultag, I'mma let you finish, but Jono has the best meme of all time
[18:54] <paultag> jono: mash you up as better then another meme ;)
[18:54] <jono> I am a bit confused, what is the meme?
[18:54] <jono> :)
[18:54] <paultag> Here was another one:
[18:54] <paultag> Yo, I heard you like jono, so I put jono in your jono so you can be better while you be better
[18:55] <jono> ahhh so just mentioning me is the meme?
[18:55] <paultag> jono: yeah, that you are better then meme X
[18:55] <jono> ahhhh wicked
[18:55] <jono> lol!
[18:55] <paultag> jono: being the next best thing :P
[18:55] <paultag> haha
[18:56] <paultag> we need to make a Jono Roll
[18:56] <paultag> doctormo: I'm stoked for coffee tom. afternoon -- good looking out with the green line
[18:56] <pleia2> paultag: except call it a Bacon Roll
[18:56] <paultag> pleia2: hahaha!!
[18:56] <jono> lol, reminds me of http://omgjonosaid.wordpress.com/
[18:56] <paultag> pleia2: how are you, lyz? :)
[18:57] <paultag> jono: hahahaha!
[18:57] <pleia2> paultag: good! far too busy lately, I need a vacation :) you?
[18:57] <paultag> pleia2: just got back from the beach. _AMAZING_
[18:57] <doctormo> pleia2: Doesn't everyone this time of year
[18:57]  * pleia2 has not yet investigated California beaches, thinks a trip to Santa Cruz is in the near future
[18:58] <paultag> pleia2: I forgot about doctormo, he was not even 4 minutes from where I was
[18:58] <pleia2> hehe
[18:58] <paultag> Figured I would go visit the dad-io with a case of beer
[18:58] <paultag> turned into manual labor. Figures.
[18:58] <doctormo> paultag: It's ok, I enjoyed the sun (but no beaches) and family too.
[18:58] <paultag> doctormo: well that's good
[19:00] <doctormo> Awesome, I'm being emailed by the Canadian forensic police :-D
[19:01] <paultag> doctormo: wha wah wah?!
[19:01] <paultag> doctormo: should I be having coffee with you?
[19:02] <paultag> or is the FBI going to smash in the window and drag me out in a murder case?
[19:02] <paultag> or mounties
[19:02] <jussi> yes :P
[19:02] <jussi> wait, what?
[19:02] <paultag> hey jussi :)
[19:02] <jussi> heya
[19:02] <doctormo> paultag: Sure, they want to know about the barry project and how it can help them get the databases from blackberry phones quickly.
[19:02] <paultag> doctormo: Killer! ( Get it!? It's a pun! )
[19:02] <jussi> hehehe
[19:03] <paultag> doctormo: but really, good for you, well done :)
[19:05] <paultag> doctormo: http://xkcd.com/364/ <-- we need to adopt this as a logo somewhere
[19:05] <doctormo> paultag: Helping the authorities isn't good for me, duty calls :-P
[19:05] <paultag> doctormo: heh :)
[19:16] <doctormo> paultag: I think we might be able to make that into a simple banner (the xkcd exchange)
[19:17] <doctormo> paultag: You haven't told jono yet have you? I want it to be a surprise :-D
[19:17] <paultag> doctormo: I have not :D
[19:18] <paultag> doctormo: just remembered that and gave it to you, I'll keep it quiet :)
[19:18] <jono> uh oh
[19:18] <paultag> ssshhhhhh, he's here
[19:42] <doctormo> paultag: Should I invite Westlly?
[20:49] <paultag> doctormo: up to you
[20:50] <paultag> doctormo: you're the quarterback, I'm the lineman, tell me where to be :)
[21:49]  * doctormo is British and doesn't understand paultag
[21:51] <jturek-iphone> Test. 1 2 3. Is this thing on?
[21:57] <paultag> doctormo: it's a handegg reference
[21:57] <paultag> doctormo: handegg == american football
[22:01] <paultag> doctormo: I'm going to leave Boston College at about 3:00 tom. to head down, if that's OK. If you can't leave that early, it's quite alright
[22:01] <paultag>  /me is afk


[04:36] <ToStItOs> Anybody know where I can get a Alternate CD or DVD for 9.04?
[04:37] <gottto> !alternate
[04:37] <gottto> !minimal
[04:38] <gottto> ToStItOs: that should get you started
[04:38] <ToStItOs> Whats the difference between the actual disc and upgrading via Synaptic
[04:40] <ToStItOs> is it faster on the disc
[04:40] <gottto> the alternate isn't a livecd but a text based installer - upgrading usually works fine (with the normal caveats)
[04:41] <ToStItOs> The reason I ask is I have dial up and upgrading is such a pain because of the speed
[04:41] <gottto> with a new install you have the base but still need to d/load your fav apps
[04:42] <gottto> it'll save a few 100 mbs tho
[04:42] <ToStItOs> a fresh install you mean?
[04:42] <gottto> yep
[04:43] <ToStItOs> I have the live cd for 9.04 I just hate to do that
[04:44] <gottto> go the upgrade route then - I still use dapper and don't see the need to upgrade just cause there's a new version
[04:44] <ToStItOs> What I am trying to do is get to 9.10 for hardware compatibility reasons
[04:45] <gottto> well there's only the two options then... :)
[04:45] <ToStItOs> I might just go the upgrade route just the downloads take forever : (
[04:46] <gottto> you can still use the os while upgrading - it's just that your net would be slow or useless
[04:47] <gottto> it would be nice to have an option in the upgrader to limit the d/load speed
[04:47] <ToStItOs> Well I have a wired network a windows box and Ubuntu box
[04:47] <gottto> like in torrents
[04:47] <ToStItOs> yeah it would
[04:48] <evolv> as someone who is interested in using a Linux operating system, but with no experience, is there anything I should look out for when investing in in a laptop or desktop when taking into consideration compatability
[04:48] <evolv> also
[04:48] <evolv> what resources would I have available to check that out?
[04:49] <ToStItOs> I have run into a short problem when I was trying to upgrade. I received a message saying something about a partial upgrade
[04:49] <evolv> Xubuntu was something I wanted to use, but when installing it on my laptop, I encountered a number of issues I couldn't easily resolve
[04:49] <ToStItOs> evolv modem support but if using high speed most likely not a issue
[04:49] <gottto> evolv: what I do is not get the absolute newest hardware - someone has to write the drivers and that takes time
[04:50] <gottto> ther's a site - linux for laptops or similar - where you can check compatabilty
[04:50] <evolv> do you have the site on hand?
[04:51] <gottto> !laptop
[04:51] <evolv> thanks :D
[04:51] <gottto> np
[04:51] <gottto> it was a guess :)
[04:51] <evolv> excellent guess
[04:51] <gottto> hehe
[04:51] <evolv> I figured learning Linux would've been a good career move, it's kind of too late now because my hardware isn't compatible
[04:52] <ToStItOs> well I'll see what I can do about my upgrade
[04:52] <gottto> luck
[04:53] <gottto> evolv: I use it on pent2s to dual cores
[04:53] <ToStItOs> It may not be a problem but what is bothering me is the message about a partial upgrade
[04:53] <gottto> where's that from?
[04:54] <gottto> !paste
[04:54] <gottto> ToStItOs: can you paste it?
[04:54] <ToStItOs> When I ran the upgrade a few times it didn't finish
[04:54] <ToStItOs> let me see hold on
[04:54] <gottto> k
[04:57] <ToStItOs> This is the text box message I receive "Not all Updates can be installed run a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible
[04:58] <ToStItOs> Can I just bypass this and try to run the upgrade again
[04:58] <gottto> that isn't taking you to the newest version of xubuntu but d/loading the latest version of apps for the present one
[04:59] <gottto> !upgrade
[04:59] <gottto> bahh
[04:59] <gottto> try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:00] <ToStItOs> the package manager gives me the option too
[05:00] <ToStItOs> I'll just run it again
[05:01] <ToStItOs> I really do appreciate your help
[05:02] <ToStItOs> thanks a lot
[05:02] <gottto> np
[05:03] <ToStItOs> see you later
[05:03] <gottto> to upgrade to the next version is   sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[05:03] <gottto> sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:03] <ToStItOs> let me try that
[05:06] <ToStItOs> what will these sudo commands do
[05:06] <ToStItOs> will it upgrade to 9.04
[05:06] <gottto> get you the latest stable xubuntu
[05:06] <gottto> no 9.10
[05:06] <gottto> !karmic
[05:07] <gottto> what version are you on?
[05:07] <ToStItOs> I thought I couldn't upgrade from 8.10
[05:07] <gottto> I thought 9.04 - it takes you one stepat  a time
[05:07] <ToStItOs> to 9.10
[05:08] <gottto> you can't - I made an assumption
[05:08] <gottto> it will take you to 9.04
[05:08] <ToStItOs> Thats what I have 8.10
[05:08] <ToStItOs> Xubuntu intrepid
[05:08] <gottto> 8.10 + 1 = 9.04
[05:09] <gottto> to get to 9.10 will be 2 upgrades
[05:09] <ToStItOs> so I need 9.04
[05:09] <ToStItOs> I know
[05:10] <ToStItOs> should I cancel the upgrades I am running for 9.10?
[05:11] <gottto> you can't be doing an upgrade to 9.10 - if you used those commands I wrote you're going to 9.04
[05:11] <ToStItOs> I'll run Synaptic
[05:12] <ToStItOs> thats fine I want 9.04 should I start it again
[05:13] <gottto> it's your choice ultimately
[05:13] <ToStItOs> or are there other commands to hit in the terminal
[05:14] <gottto> no same commands
[05:14] <ToStItOs> The commands you gave me that upgrades me to the next stable version which in my case is 9.04 correct?
[05:16] <ToStItOs> ok so that will upgrade me to 9.04 right
[05:17] <gottto> yep
[05:17] <gottto> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[05:18] <ToStItOs> ok good
[05:18] <gottto> sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:18] <ToStItOs> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:18] <ToStItOs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:19] <gottto> is synaptic open?
[05:19] <ToStItOs> I closed it
[05:19] <gottto> works now?
[05:20] <ToStItOs> wait its doing someting
[05:20] <gottto> should be getting headers
[05:21] <ToStItOs> brb
[05:22] <gottto> k
[05:25] <ToStItOs> Synaptic won't stop running
[05:26] <gottto> in terminal   ps aux | grep apt   and look at the pid of synaptic then   kill -9 "pid"
[05:26] <gottto> pid is a 4 digit number
[05:26] <gottto> mostly
[05:30] <ToStItOs> operation not permitted
[05:32] <gottto> err kill -n 9 "pid" sorry
[05:32] <gottto> and use sudo...
[05:33] <ToStItOs> I got it working
[05:33] <gottto> ToStItOs:
[05:33] <gottto> yah
[05:35] <ToStItOs> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:35] <ToStItOs>   File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 5, in <module>
[05:35] <ToStItOs>     import apt
[05:35] <ToStItOs> ImportError: No module named apt
[05:35] <gottto> bugger me - did you install the update-manager-core ?
[05:36] <ToStItOs> It said it was the latest one
[05:36] <gottto> k
[05:36] <ToStItOs> now what
[05:37] <gottto> all I can suggest is
[05:37] <gottto> to update + upgrade and
[05:37] <gottto> retry...
[05:38] <ToStItOs> ok
[05:38] <gottto> I've never seen that happen - I'll have a google
[05:38] <ToStItOs> ok
[05:38] <ToStItOs> I closed the terminal while it was downloading
[05:40] <gottto> ctrl+c is a better way
[05:41] <gottto> that error is from a python script that is the do-release-upgrade app
[05:41] <ToStItOs> So what do I need to do
[05:42] <gottto> apt module should've been d/load as a dep of update-manager-core
[05:42] <ToStItOs> can we fix it
[05:42] <gottto> update + upgrade and install the update-manager-core
[05:43] <ToStItOs> sudo command?
[05:43] <gottto> yep
[05:43] <gottto> sudo apt-get update
[05:43] <gottto> suado apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[05:44] <gottto> *sudo
[05:44] <ToStItOs> its upgrading now
[05:44] <gottto> k
[05:45] <ToStItOs> but the upgrade is gonna take forever
[05:45] <gottto> the joys of dialup :)
[05:45] <ToStItOs> yeah joy
[05:46] <ToStItOs> more like torture
[05:46] <gottto> ubuntu.com recommends updating and upgrading before the distubution upgrade
[05:47] <ToStItOs> yeah I know so once this is done then what do I need to do
[05:47] <gottto> sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:48] <gottto> once the manger core is installed - it should need to have some deps d/loaded
[05:48] <ToStItOs> all I did was sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:49] <gottto> should've updated first - so it could find what was missing
[05:49] <gottto> but wait till it finishes now
[05:49] <ToStItOs> i did
[05:49] <gottto> k
[05:50] <gottto> then sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:50] <ToStItOs> ok gotcha now
[05:50] <gottto> hopefully the update picked up on the missing dep
[05:51] <gottto> and manager core has the apt module
[05:51] <ToStItOs> so the manager core then do release
[05:51] <gottto> yep
[05:51] <ToStItOs> after all this is done I should be at 9.04
[05:52] <gottto> you will be - that's what all this does :)
[05:52] <ToStItOs> great
[05:53] <ToStItOs> saved me a headache and a lot of head scratching
[05:53] <gottto> took me a while to learn the ropes -- and I'm still learning...
[05:54] <ToStItOs> same here When I had my last computer I was a internal dial up modem that was a pain
[05:55] <ToStItOs> *using
[05:55] <gottto> hehe
[05:57] <ToStItOs> if you don't mind me asking where are you from
[05:57] <gottto> I'm in Australia - Brisbane
[05:58] <gottto> you're in texas right?
[05:58] <ToStItOs> ok well there is a city named after me
[05:58] <ToStItOs> take a wild guess
[05:58] <gottto> there's a brisbane in canada as well
[05:58] <ToStItOs> no Mississippi
[05:59] <gottto> Houston1.level3.net shows on your ip address
[05:59] <gottto> so I thought
[05:59] <gottto> ...
[05:59] <ToStItOs> let me give you a riddle in Australia there is a small city with a unique name and it ends with a n
[06:00] <ToStItOs> no Mississippi
[06:00] <gottto> I give up :)
[06:00] <ToStItOs> ip address are misleading at times
[06:00] <gottto> they are that
[06:01] <ToStItOs> The city is Darwin which is my name
[06:01] <gottto> ohhh
[06:01] <evolv> your name is Darwin?
[06:02] <evolv> I'm a fan of Charles Darwin's work :D
[06:02] <ToStItOs> yep
[06:02] <evolv> led me to what I do now
[06:02] <ToStItOs> uh huh
[06:03] <ToStItOs> oh really my father gave me that name
[06:03] <ToStItOs> I guess I am sort unique
[06:03] <ToStItOs> of
[06:04] <evolv> to have a last name as a first name?
[06:05] <ToStItOs> just the name in general not many people in my State have that name
[06:06] <evolv> I want to name my first born Claudius
[06:06] <evolv> if things work out with my current girlfriend, I will not realize my dream
[06:06] <evolv> :\
[06:07] <ToStItOs> Thats a good name
[06:07] <gottto> she doesn't like claudius?
[06:08] <evolv> nope
[06:08] <evolv> but she has no roman ancestry
[06:08] <evolv> so that might explain it
[06:08] <ToStItOs> well that sucks
[06:09] <evolv> to be fair, she doesn't want kids with Indian names
[06:10] <ToStItOs> picky picky
[06:11] <evolv> Indian names are kind of ridiculous
[06:11] <evolv> :P
[06:11] <evolv> chandreshakar
[06:11] <ToStItOs> yeah you have a point there
[08:57] <RobertZaccour> will there be a new theme in lucid?
[08:57] <bazhang> should be. #ubuntu+1 for lucid support/discussion
[11:07] <hexdump_> has anybody here ever tried using mod_bw or mod_cband with apache and had success?
[11:07] <hexdump_> I'm running into problems constantly
[11:13] <hexdump_> nm I think I just had version errors I dunno
[13:45] <tachiro1> hmm
[13:46] <tachiro1> now i guess i just have to assassinate who took my original name
[13:46] <gottto> I'm for hire at a reasonable feee :)
[13:47] <gottto> *fee
[13:47] <tachiro1> well i gotta double check, they may be uhh
[13:47] <tachiro1> me
[13:47] <gottto> hehe
[13:49] <tachiro1> i swear, ubuntu is great and all, and i see all these things that by design make me wish i started using it years ago, but jumping in without a real knowledge foundation, is CRAZY
[13:50] <tachiro1> just dancing around complex terminal commands to pull off the stupidest stuff, like changing my mouse polling rate
[13:50] <gottto> most start with a dual boot so they can go back to windows when things get hard...
[13:50] <tachiro1> yea
[13:50] <tachiro1> well in this case.. mother board blew out
[13:51] <tachiro1> thank you blackout from 2-3 weeks ago
[13:51] <gottto> they do suck
[13:52] <tachiro1> i do love nautilus though
[13:52] <gottto> in xubuntu - what's wrong with thunar?
[13:53] <tachiro1> ok before i continue, lol signing in here i had no idea what Xubuntu was referring to, i figured it was just to indicate all ...ubuntu distros
[13:54] <tachiro1> but i think i'm using karmic koala
[13:54] <Sysi> do you know how much there are ubuntu related channels? :)
[13:54] <tachiro1> nope lol
[13:54] <tachiro1> brb
[13:54] <gottto> heh - ther's #ubuntu, #kubuntu and many others as well
[14:00] <tachiro1> yeaa those are the two i spotted... stumbling through the how-to to get in here lol
[14:00] <tachiro1> i've heard of kubuntu before
[14:01] <tachiro1> dunno what the basic diff is though
[14:13] <tachiro1> so how many nuubs get on here with issues everyday?
[14:14] <Sysi> varies
[14:14] <tachiro1> i figured i'd be fighting to get a word in here, looking at all the people logged in
[14:20] <tachiro1> btw anyone heard about some new business plan that i think certain movie companies are initiating?
[14:21] <tachiro1> using lawsuits against individuals who pirate movies as a source of revenue
[14:21] <tachiro1> steady*
[14:57] <tachiro1> see, here's another mystery, i'll need to double check with another OS on this laptop to see if the problem persists, but would i be the only person that has issues with sound in ubuntu? it seems like the strength of certain frequencies keep fluctuating
[14:58] <tachiro1> so it sounds like someone is wiggling the volume knob when i'm playing music
[17:20] <Balsaq> testing testin
[17:42] <tachiro1> i really need to fix this everyday mouse lag, it's unacceptable
[17:43] <tachiro1> anyone know how to change mouse polling rate?
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Mouse ?
[17:47] <tachiro1> eh, tried that, nothing there that seems like it'll significantly affect the response time
[17:49] <tachiro1> imagine this, you clicking around and then the mouse stops picking up every move, so if you just zigzag the mouse in place, the cursor eventually ends up off screen from the lag
[17:49] <tachiro1> this'll happen for 5-6 second intervals
[17:49] <tachiro1> then back to normal
[17:49] <tachiro1> then a minute later same seizure again
[17:49] <tachiro1> sometimes less than a minute in between
[17:50] <charlie-tca> how much memory?
[17:50] <tachiro1> one moment
[17:51] <charlie-tca> I have seen that in low memory configurations
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Seems to be the databases updating and causing the freeze to happen. Sometimes killing the "gam_server" makes it behave, but that slows down the drive updates, too.
[17:53] <tachiro1> hmm
[17:54] <tachiro1> well this is an older dell laptop
[17:54] <tachiro1> i think i got a 256 and a 512 in here
[17:55] <tachiro1> but isn't there a way to give the mouse more priority over other processes?
[17:56] <tachiro1> i got no clue if there's an individual process in charge of the mouse
[17:58] <charlie-tca> There probably is a way. Might try #ubuntu on that. It should use the same processes
[17:59] <tachiro1> ummm
[17:59] <tachiro1> don't tell me i'm in the wrong place
[17:59] <tachiro1> am i?
[17:59] <tachiro1> here we go
[18:00] <charlie-tca> No, it is just that they have more people there
[18:00] <tachiro1> lol oh ok
[18:00] <tachiro1> cuz i'm using karmic now
[18:01] <tachiro1> <looking at channel name>
[18:01] <tachiro1> wait a minute is Xubuntu somethign else like Kubuntu?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> xubuntu is based on ubuntu
[18:01] <tachiro1> JESUS
[18:01] <charlie-tca> and we use some of their processes and applications
[18:01] <tachiro1> really
[18:01] <charlie-tca> They are both based on gtk
[18:02] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu is based on kde, which changes things much more
[18:02] <tachiro1> so is there a basic difference between the two? like, the reason why it was made into it's own thing?
[18:04] <charlie-tca> yes, gnome desktop in ubuntu is more resource hungry than xfce in Xubuntu
[18:06] <charlie-tca> We use some of the same applications, but stay away from the gnome-specific apps and try to use lightweight applications specifically
[18:06] <charlie-tca> We don't change the underlying hardware driver stuff
[18:11] <tachiro1> hmm
[18:11] <tachiro1> so what's the trade off then?
[18:11] <charlie-tca> resources
[18:12] <tachiro1> hmm, so what about like.. learning curve
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Takes about 3.5GB to install Ubuntu, 1.5GB to install Xubuntu. Takes about 512MB memory to run Gnome desktop; takes about 256MB to run xfce
[18:13] <charlie-tca> learning curve is there, just like anything else.
[18:15] <charlie-tca> You had to learn gnome and openoffice and the rest of the apps in Ubuntu.
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Now you learn different applications. Not too big a curve, actually.
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Abiword instead of OpenOffice Writer is almost the same, but doesn't need as much memory and drive space. Gnumeric instead of OO spreadsheet is the same
[18:17] <charlie-tca> You have an older laptop there. It may not even run Ubuntu anymore. It will run Xubuntu.
[18:18] <tachiro1> lol ohhhh ok
[18:19] <tachiro1> lol i might not have mouse laggeh issues either if i was using that
[18:19] <tachiro1> ok bookmarking thought
[18:19]  * charlie-tca thinks also that Xubuntu is really the best thing going, too.
[18:20] <charlie-tca> you might not, if it runs
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I run Xubuntu on a p2, 400MHz system, a P4 1.5GHz system, and an athlon 64bit 2.2GHz system
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I don't see the mouse lag, though
[18:24] <tachiro1> hmm
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I wonder if you need to shut off the touchpad buttons to fix that?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> Or, rather, that thingy in the middle of the keyboard
[18:27] <tachiro1> oh the nub thing
[18:27] <tachiro1> y'know what? i think i'll try that
[18:27] <tachiro1> cuz i'm using a usb keyboard too
[18:27] <charlie-tca> That's the one!  Wish I could be more help. Feel free to ask here every couple of hours, though.  Eat Fresh! *chomp*] walking home today"
[19:08] <Myrtti> no, nothing like that here
[19:10] <tachiro1> awww
[20:00] <hexdump_> yo
[20:13] <hexdump_> hi all, I have a question maybe one of you experts in there could help me with it
[20:13] <hexdump_> I'm trying to use sed to remove blackslashes or forward slashes in my html file
[20:14] <hexdump_> I figured out how to remove leters, but I run into errors when trying to remove shashes
[20:15] <naaina> you need to escape them
[20:15] <naaina> like
[20:15] <naaina> $ echo "/" | sed "s/\//test/g"
[20:15] <naaina> test
[20:16] <hexdump_> naaina:  ok thanks I'll give it a shot
[20:17] <hexdump_> naaina:  I'm actually trying to remove a string like ///var/www
[20:17] <hexdump_> so it would me $ echo "///var/www" | sed "s/\//test/g"
[20:18] <hexdump_> naaina:  test would be my document correct?
[20:19] <naaina> don't understand it
[20:19] <naaina> what exactly do you want to do?
[20:19] <Sysi> ah, regular expressions ♥
[20:19] <hexdump_> I need to remove a string of text such as "///var/www"
[20:19] <naaina> completely?
[20:19] <Sysi> invented for clean-language ubuntu channels :p
[20:20] <hexdump_> reason it is like "///var/www" is because I've already used sed to remove //file:/var/www
[20:20] <naaina> so, you want to make //file:/var/www to /var/www?
[20:20] <hexdump_> naaina:  the only thing is I don't want to delete all instances of "/"
[20:22] <hexdump_> naaina:  give me just one sec k
[20:23] <hexdump_> naaina:  actually the only characters left for me to delete is this "///" no quotes
[20:24] <hexdump_> I'm sorry just "//" two slashes
[20:25] <naaina> //file:/var/www -> //
[20:25] <naaina> ?
[20:33] <hexdump_> naaina:  sorry bud, I just had to take a phone call
[20:33] <hexdump_> naaina:  on the two slashes "//" are remaining
[20:34] <naaina> .... i really can't understand the question. what do you want to achieve? gimme an example for source text and say what the result should be.
[20:36] <hexdump_> naaina:  ok here is the rundown.  I used a program that generates an html file output and lists the given directories/files.  I'm using it for my website to speed up the process.
[20:37] <hexdump_> the problem is that when I generate the html file it lists the local files and not an online url, so I need to remove the file://var/www/ portion of the entire directory
[20:38] <hexdump_> I need to remove that section so that ppl will be able to download files with the correct web directory
[20:38] <naaina> okay
[20:38] <naaina> cat index.html | sed "s/file:\/\/var\/www\//g"
[20:39] <naaina> or this one (if you want to replace directly in the file):
[20:39] <naaina> sed -i "s/file:\/\/var\/www\//g" index.html
[20:39] <hexdump_> ok then how to I save the new file
[20:39] <hexdump_> ah okay
[20:39] <hexdump_> so cat index.html | sed blah first
[20:39] <hexdump_> then sed -i "s blah
[20:39] <naaina> if you want to output it on the console
[20:40] <naaina> you use ONLY the second one
[20:40] <naaina> if you want to repalce directly in the file
[20:42] <hexdump_> naaina:  gotchat hence cat right.  cool, thanks I'll give this a shot and give let you know what happens.
[20:43] <slow-motion> hi
[20:46] <hexdump_> naaina:  sed 's/apple$/windows/g' document.txt > new.file
[20:46] <hexdump_> slow-motion:  eh how are ya
[20:47] <hexdump_> naaina:  yeah then of course the prob with special characters came along.  Anyway, I'll let you be, thanks again for the great support.
[20:47] <naaina> $
[20:47] <naaina> is a string / line end in regex (the "language" sed uses)
[20:47] <naaina> you have to escape it too.
[21:01] <hexdump_> naaina:  fantastic man worked out perfectly
[21:04] <naaina> regular expressions (regex) are a very mightly tool for string replacing
[21:04] <naaina> you should read some stuff about it. there are fantastic things possible with it.
[21:05] <hexdump_> naaina:  it worked, I had to modify it slightly, but this is what worked sudo sed -i "s/\/\///g"  networking.htm
[21:06] <hexdump_> naaina:  this program is really powerful.  I have some books on this program.  I think I might check it out soon as I'm done with my site
[21:11] <hexdump_> ah damn, I don't want to ask you this again, but I don't think google can find exactly what I'm looking for.
[21:11] <hexdump_> naaina:  gimmie a sec, I might be back.  let me read up first I don't want to immediately ask again.
[21:12] <hexdump_> naaina:  If it gets too tough, and I can't find what I'm looking for I might have to come back.
[21:16] <naaina> just ask your question ;)
[21:45] <hexdump_> naaina:  I can only seem deletion of characters on a like this:  first 10 lines .doc or something
[21:46] <hexdump_> naaina:  I need to only delete the second instance of the same characters on each of those lines but I can't find out how in any documents.
[21:50] <naaina> only once per line?
[21:50] <hexdump_> naaina:  see here is the prob, reason why it seems tought for me...
[21:51] <hexdump_> naaina:  first instance of .chm or .pdf is in the hyperlink and the second is in the description itself.  this is on maybe like every other line or something.
[21:51] <hexdump_> naaina:  I must delete only the second instance of the .chm or .pdf extension on those lines
[21:52] <hexdump_> naaina:  see now I was thinking if there was a possibility to remove say .chm next to the text </a> but I'm not sure how to accomplish that.
[21:52] <hexdump_> naaina:  brb in just a sec
[22:00] <hexdump_> naaina:  okie I'm back
[22:03] <slow-motion> n8
[22:05] <hexdump_> naaina:  I have 2 instances of the same *.pdf or *.chm per line
[22:05] <hexdump_> naaina:  rather every other line or so.
[22:18] <naaina> and you want to remove the second one? :)
[22:32] <hexdump_> yes
[22:33] <hexdump_> naaina:  sorry I was helping somebody with samba
[22:33] <hexdump_> naaina:  ues I need to remove the second instance of each *.chm or *.pdf on each line.  the *.chm or *.pdf is located in the description field, and I need to remove those.
[22:42] <hexdump_> naaina:  yeah that's right brb
[22:48] <hexdump_> naaina:  you there bro?
[22:49] <naaina> yes yes. paste a line here where both entries occur
[22:52] <hexdump_> I'm going to pastebin it
[22:57] <hexdump_> naaina:  here you go http://pastebin.com/5Si9gLpa
[23:02] <naaina> and you want to replace the 2nd one?
[23:02] <naaina> ok. only the extension.... i see
[23:02] <naaina> one second pls
[23:04] <naaina> sed -i "s/\.[a-z]\{3\}//gi" yourhtmlfile.html
[23:05] <naaina> sed -i "s/\.[a-z]\{3\}<\/a>/<\/a>/gi" yourhtmlfile.html
[23:05] <naaina> this one is better
[23:09] <hexdump_> sorry I'm back
[23:12] <hexdump_> naaina:  sed 's|\(<a class="file" href=.*>\).*/\(.*\)\.[^<]*\(</a>\)|\1\2\3|' oldfile.htm > newfile.htm
[23:34] <hexdump_> naaina:  craziness getting access denied from sed 's|\(<a class="file" href=.*>\).*/\(.*\)\.[^<]*\(</a>\)|\1\2\3|' programming.htm > programming.htm
[23:41] <schlaftier> hexdump_: use sed -i for in-place editing
[23:42] <hexdump_> ah okie
[23:42] <hexdump_> let me give er a shot
[23:42] <hexdump_> schlaftier:  thanks bud
[23:43] <hexdump_> schlaftier:  still permission denied
[23:43] <schlaftier> the problem with shell redirection is that it tries to open and empty the > file before reading from it
[23:43] <hexdump_> ah ha got it
[23:43] <hexdump_> permissions problem
[23:43] <schlaftier> hexdump_: sorry, gotta go, can't help you with the permissions issue. But keep sed -i in mind
[23:44] <schlaftier> hexdump_: good luck :)
[23:44] <hexdump_> schlaftier:  np you helped me.  I found out what was wrong tho.  it was a permissions problem
[23:44] <schlaftier> hexdump_: alright, glad you solved it.