[07:37] <tjaalton> uh, so audio doesn't really work when there are more than one users logged on
[07:37] <tjaalton> the first user can choose which output to use, others not so much
[07:46] <TheMuso`> tjaalton: Any of your users in the audio group?
[07:48] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: both
[07:48] <TheMuso`> I suggest you remove them from the audio group then.
[07:48] <tjaalton> oh?
[07:49] <tjaalton> shouldn't this be handled on upgrades then?-)
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Yes, the use of consolekit by pulseaudio means that the audio group only hinders audio working for more than one user.
[07:49] <tjaalton> ok, good to know
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Its been this way for ages.
[07:49] <tjaalton> this is an old install
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Right.
[07:49] <TheMuso`> I don't think the policy is to remove users from groups on upgrade.
[07:49] <TheMuso`> Or add them etc.
[07:50] <TheMuso`> And I am not even sure how one could reliably check for this on upgrade either.
[07:51] <didrocks> good morning
[07:51] <tjaalton> the janitor-thingy might do it
[07:52] <RAOF> didrocks: Good mornin'
[07:52] <TheMuso`> tjaalton: Good thought. I'll put it down as something to investigate next cycle.
[07:53] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: great, thanks
[07:57] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: oh, I know why the users were on those groups.. it's the users and groups admin capplet
[07:57] <TheMuso`> Ah yes.
[07:58] <TheMuso`> That should be fixed in rrecent Ubuntu versions.
[07:58] <tjaalton> I'll try ;)
[07:58] <tjaalton> to see if it's true
[07:59] <tjaalton> didrocks: unity-window-decorator doesn't want to start on display !:0.0 on the first start, is there a bug filed already?
[08:00] <tjaalton> (unity-window-decorator:20170): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[08:00] <tjaalton> compiz --replace fixes that
[08:00] <didrocks> tjaalton: yeah, it's filed and on the top priority list
[08:00] <tjaalton> didrocks: cool
[08:01] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: nu-uh, still adds the user to the audio-group when I tick the box and apply
[08:04] <TheMuso`> tjaalton: Is this natty?
[08:04] <tjaalton> TheMuso`: yes
[08:04] <TheMuso`> And what box are you talking about being ticked?
[08:06] <tjaalton> select the users, click on "additional settings", then "user rights" tab and there select the "can use audio devices" box
[08:07] <TheMuso`> Right, that box should go away entirely I think...
[08:07] <tjaalton> and a whole bunch of others
[08:07] <TheMuso`> I.e for the moment, that shouldn't even be checked, because everyone can use audio regardless of whether that is checked or not.
[08:13] <tjaalton> yep
[08:16] <pitti> Good morning
[08:17] <TheMuso`> Good morning pitti.
[08:19] <didrocks> hey pitti
[08:20] <didrocks> vish: small question, on bug #721121. Shouldn't the icon "user-home" in humanity be the one with the folder drawn?
[08:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 721121 in humanity-icon-theme "Icon in Launcher should be home folder icon" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721121
[08:36] <vish> didrocks: hi, nope.. :)
[08:36] <didrocks> vish: what's the meaning of that lonely icon? ;)
[08:37] <vish> didrocks: i already mentioned on the other bug; but i guess mark is reading only unity bug mail :D
[08:37] <didrocks> vish: let me look at the links then
[08:37] <didrocks> (still through the 800 messages of unity bugmails this week)
[08:38] <vish> didrocks: in short; user-home being a folder is not important; its the same higher level folder as / or any media
[08:38] <didrocks> vish: oh ok, make sense
[08:38] <didrocks> hum, adding a new desktop file seems to be the only solution
[08:39] <popey> morning
[08:41] <didrocks> bryceh: love it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/747014/comments/4
[08:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747014 in unity "Wanda is gone from unity" [Critical,In progress]
[08:42] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:56] <bryceh> didrocks, :-)
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: Hi, can I try packaging Gdm 2.91 for the GNOME3 PPA?
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: or have you begun it already?
[09:07] <rodrigo_> cdbs, no, please go
[09:07] <rodrigo_> cdbs, although 3.0.0 is due today, so wait a bit and package that
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: thanks!
[09:07] <rodrigo_> I am doing gnome-tweak-tool now
[09:07] <cdbs> rodrigo_: Weren't the tarballs due for tomorrow?
[09:08] <cdbs> so that they can release on Wednesdat
[09:08] <cdbs> *Wednesday
[09:10] <rodrigo_> cdbs, today at 23:59 UTC
[09:10] <cdbs> Riddell: hmm
[09:10] <cdbs> Riddell: oops, unping, meant for rodrigo_
[09:11] <rodrigo_> cdbs, but yes, I guess you can start doing 2.91.x and then just update to 3.0 when it's done
[09:11] <cdbs> rodrigo_: yeah, that's what I am doing already
[09:11] <rodrigo_> ok cool
[09:11] <cdbs> rodrigo_: though GDM can be a tough task
[09:11] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:11] <cdbs> its a base thing
[09:12]  * cdbs downloads current gdm deb so that he can deal with failures
[09:12] <rodrigo_> cdbs, look at debian, I guess they have already packaged it, so it should be easier
[09:12] <cdbs> oh they did? nice!
[09:12] <rodrigo_> not sure, check it
[09:12]  * cdbs looks at experimental
[09:12] <cdbs> rodrigo_: nope, they didn't
[09:12] <rodrigo_> ah :(
[09:12] <cdbs> they have 2.20
[09:12] <cdbs> too old
[09:13] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:13] <Laney> look at gdm3
[09:13] <cdbs> Laney: gdm3 is 2.30, again old
[09:13] <Laney> less old :-)
[09:14] <Laney> anyway, it might make sense if you ask on their irc and coordinate efforts
[09:14] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:14] <tjaalton> resizing gnome-terminal doesn't show the terminal size anymore with compiz on natty, but can't find a bug filed against g-t, is it filed elswhere?
[09:15] <rodrigo_> cdbs, as you said, gdm is tricky so if you can get help from them, it will be easier for you
[09:15] <cdbs> rodrigo_: well, yeah, but most of the tricky part is ubuntu-specific stuff like upstart files and ubuntu patches
[09:17] <rodrigo_> cdbs, right
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:35] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Aloha!
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF!
[09:36] <RAOF> I had something to ask you about the unity freeze you were seeing.  What was it…?
[09:36] <RAOF> Oh, yes!
[09:36] <RAOF> Have you reproduced it with drm.debug=0x01 (as mentioned on the bug)?
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> ah, i've not tried it just yet
[09:37] <RAOF> Is it still easily reproducible?
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> i'll reboot in a but with that, and see if it happens again today
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it happened 4 or 5 times yesterday
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> so i should be able to get the information quite quickly ;)
[09:37] <didrocks> hum, nautilus and evolution crashing
[09:38] <didrocks> ok, shouldn't be that, almost no app opens
[09:39] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:39] <seb128> didrocks, what did you do to your box?
[09:40] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Handy hint: echo 0x0e | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: something evil… upgrading ;)
[09:40] <didrocks> all was going well since morning (for the last 3 hours), then, I decided to upgrade and reboot :)
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, thanks!
[09:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:41] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:41] <pitti> seb128: pretty well, thanks! the WE was splendid, wholly new feeling to sweat :)
[09:42] <pitti> we had 22 degrees and all sun
[09:42] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: That's going to fill the kernel ringbuffer pretty quickly and start eating /var.  Just in case you wonder why you've run out of disk space :)
[09:42] <pitti> and I started packing and disassembling furniture
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, yeah, i noticed it's quite verbose ;)
[09:42] <seb128> weather was great on a saturday here as well
[09:42] <seb128> but it was raining yesterday
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, when do you move?
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: probably around end of April
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: we have some appointments for visiting flats now
[09:44] <seb128> ok
[09:44] <seb128> pitti, oh btw I'm just catching up with emails, that nautilus abort bug... some users said in a duplicate it happens only when liboverlay-scrollbar is installed
[09:45] <pitti> seb128: the one comment I saw was having dropbox
[09:45] <didrocks> evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in os_pager_move_resize()
[09:45] <seb128> it's not dropbox, it's the scrollbars
[09:45] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646555 has loads of duplicates. Would be good to cherry pick the fix to the natty package
[09:45] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646555 in Contact List "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in event_manager_add" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[09:45] <didrocks> ok, scrollbars, bye
[09:45] <seb128> hey cassidy, I was going to check on that today since the retracer has closed quite some duplicates of it recently it seems
[09:46] <seb128> didrocks, is that the scrollbars leading to crashes for you?
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: just a guess, all gtk apps seems weirdly crashy…
[09:46] <didrocks> an seeing this stack…
[09:46] <didrocks> let's have a try
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: hm, I don't even see that package -- it's from a PPA?
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: oh, is that the new DX shiny scrollbars?
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, yes
[09:47] <seb128> it's in a ppa and in NEW
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, see bug #748552
[09:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748552 in ayatana-scrollbar "With liboverlay-scrollbar installed nautilus crashes with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748552
[09:51] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[09:52] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, didrocks, seb128, did you have a good weekend?
[09:54] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, morning rodrigo_
[09:54] <rodrigo_> and yes, hi chrisccoulson, pitti, didrocks and all :)
[09:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: indeed we had, thanks! was splendid and warm spring weather here
[09:54] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! Excellent, thanks ;) week-end in family, long walks and such ;)
[09:54] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[10:00] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Oh, also on the unity freeze thingy - to give a little more evidence that my hypothesis is correct could you attach gdb to X and check that it's blocked waiting for input rather than in some other point?
[10:07] <seb128> didrocks, did you figure what is causing your crashes?
[10:08] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, the overlay scrollbar, but I had an old version
[10:08] <didrocks> in fact I packaged one of the first version, install them to test, and such
[10:08] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[10:08] <didrocks> then, I removed the ppa and switch to natty gtk which didn't load it
[10:08] <didrocks> until… this upgrade :)
[10:08] <seb128> ;-)
[10:08] <seb128> it shows that the gtk update works at least ;-)
[10:13] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, let's tell it that way :p
[11:02] <vish> seb128 or didrocks : can you sponsor the compiz SRU debdiffs to -proposed » Bug 438868 ?  (trying to get them in before pitt-i makes his SRU rounds)
[11:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[11:02] <seb128> vish, hey
[11:02]  * vish reminds seb128; chrisccoulson is not a core-dev yet.. make him apply! ;)
[11:02] <seb128> compiz should be in the destkop set
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is, but i'm not sure i can upload it in lucid though. i've had trouble uploading lucid SRU's before ;)
[11:03] <seb128> well, he has written his wikipage, I need to put a nice comment on there btw
[11:03] <seb128> what about just trying?
[11:03] <seb128> it should work
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll try it in a few minutes
[11:03] <vish>  thanks.. :)
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> it would be nice to get that fixed, it's driving jo crazy now she's using firefox 4 ;)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> pitti - did you put your gnome-python-extras package split anywhere? (the one which didn't build)
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> i can try it again and upload it if you like
[11:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw should be try to get tracker 0.10 synced from debian or something,
[11:16] <seb128> ?
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's just what is in current bzr, plus http://paste.ubuntu.com/589195/
[11:16] <seb128> it seems like that's the sort of things where we should better get the current serie
[11:16] <pitti>  that seemed the easiest way of disabling a package
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, you mean it should build with the updated firefox now?
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i don't mind. i haven't tried it yet (i haven't looked at tracker in ages)
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I uploaded packagekit, that works great now
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> it probably would be good to have though
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i fixed the xulrunner SDK now
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> thanks for uploading packagekit
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm just building icedtea-web now (but i can't upload that one)
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ha, i just saw a screenshot from a few weeks ago, and thought that unity has definitely progressed a long way since then: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.png
[11:24] <seb128> nice!
[11:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: excellent :)
[11:24] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, :-)
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> pitti - would you mind sponsoring http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/icedtea-web/ when you get a few moments please :)
[11:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ooh, sure
[11:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: done
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool, thanks
[11:35] <pitti> seb128: seems we shouldl make bug 740765 a dupe of 748552 then?
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crash: assertion failed: (NAUTILUS_IS_VIEW (view))" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740765
[11:35] <seb128> pitti, I was just waiting for some extra confirmations but if you want to do it now feel free
[11:36] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok; let's wait for another confirmation then to be sure
[11:39] <seb128> pitti, btw I didn't get to review libscrollbar-overlay in NEW yet so if you have a free slot and want to do it please do
[11:39] <seb128> I'm still catching up with the bug emails from the weekend
[11:39] <seb128> 350 for my desktop box, over the double for unity
[11:42] <pitti> seb128: urgh
[11:42] <dpm> hi seb128, quick question:
[11:42] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I can review it
[11:42] <dpm> I was trying to find out why the gdm translations did not get imported, and I think it's because of the fact that they are now imported from bzr upstream branches instead of packages. I've noticed that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm the upstream connection is set to the master branch instead of gnome-2-32. I would have thought someone would have noticed if the link is wrong, but perhaps you guys don't use it at all - how do you use
[11:42] <dpm> the upstream bzr branches?
[11:45] <pitti> seb128: more confirmation came in; duplicating now (using the web UI :) )
[11:45] <pitti> blergh, timeout error
[11:45] <pitti> seb128: I already used https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/740765/+duplicate but that times out as well (as expected -- *all* LP pages time out after 11 s)
[11:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740765 in nautilus "nautilus crash: assertion failed: (NAUTILUS_IS_VIEW (view))" [High,Incomplete]
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: hm, what's the correct spelling of https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/overlay-scrollbar/ubuntu/ ?
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: it should also use v3 source format, I'll fix that in bzr (as well as Vcs-Bzr) once I know the project name :)
[11:53] <pitti> didrocks: oh, ayatana-scrollbar ?
[11:53] <seb128> didrocks, right
[11:53] <seb128> ups
[11:53] <seb128> pitti, right
[11:53] <didrocks> pitti: v3 source format didn't work with hudson daily build last time I checked
[11:53] <pitti> ah, thanks
[11:54] <seb128> pitti, oh, web ui timeout? duplicate the other way around ;-)
[11:54] <pitti> didrocks: ok, will keep v1 then and just fix vcs-bzr
[11:54] <didrocks> pitti: and yes, the project is called ayatana-scrollbar
[11:54] <pitti> seb128: how?
[11:54] <didrocks> right, thanks ;)
[11:55] <pitti> ah, Ken already did
[11:55]  * pitti fixes Homepage:
[11:57] <pitti> Accepting overlay-scrollbar
[11:58] <pitti> seb128: how does "the other way around" work?
[11:58] <seb128> pitti, keep the one with a stack of duplicate and close the one with a short list
[11:58] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok; I thought more magic :)
[11:58] <seb128> ;-)
[11:58] <seb128> no, but you are right, the ui timeout where there is quite some duplicates to reassign
[11:58] <seb128> got the issue the other day as well
[11:59] <seb128> or just use the lp script if you want, it spam a bit but it's not the end of the world
[11:59] <pitti> ok, done
[12:06] <didrocks> pitti: if you get a chance, can you have a look at bug #744104 ?
[12:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744104 in unity "Feature Freeze Exception: Animation for Grid Plugin Previews" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744104
[12:16] <davmor2> is anyone else not seeing banshee in the sound indicator anymore?
[12:17] <TheMuso`> davmor2: Yeah can confirm that here.
[12:17] <davmor2> TheMuso`: Thanks.
[12:17] <TheMuso`> np
[12:26] <ogra_> TheMuso`, hey
[12:26] <ogra_> i got a bunch of patches from TI
[12:26] <ogra_> TheMuso`, would you mind taking a look at them ?
[12:27] <TheMuso`> ogra_: Can do so tomorrow, if you can point me at them I'
[12:27] <TheMuso`> ogra_: Can do so tomorrow, if you can point me at them I'll look then.
[12:27] <ogra_> TheMuso`, i'll forward you some mails with explanations from the author, the patches are at http://afuera.cortijodelrio.net/~ddiaz/paucm/
[12:29] <TheMuso`> ogra_: ok thanks. Do you want them all to be considered?
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> vish, tut tut, there's already a -0ubuntu16 version of compiz in the archive (in maverick) ;)
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[12:30] <ogra_> TheMuso`, not sure they are all needed, we better ask the guy from TI working on them, i just forwarded you a mail with explanations from alejandro
[12:31] <TheMuso`> ogra_: ok thanks.
[12:31] <TheMuso`> Will look tomorrow.
[12:31] <ogra_> thanks, tell me if i can help with anything
[12:31] <TheMuso> ogra_: will do, thanks again.
[12:38] <vish> chrisccoulson: you mean lucid?
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> vish, no, in maverick. you can't have 2 builds with the same version anywhere ;)
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+publishinghistory
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> there's also a 15.1 already
[12:40] <vish> chrisccoulson: weird, i see only compiz (1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9) maverick and compiz (1:0.8.4-0ubuntu15) lucid here » https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> vish - that doesn't show the publishing history ;)
[12:41] <vish> hmm..
[12:42] <vish> weird.. , i just apt-got the source, and i got only version compiz (1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9.1) maverick-proposed  :(
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> and, they've been rejected anyway ;)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> i can't upload them
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> never mind!
[12:53] <vish> chrisccoulson: so, i need to make a new debdiff with the right version? (-0ubuntu17)
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> vish - -0ubuntu15.2
[12:54] <vish> ok. :)
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> (you don't want a version newer than what was uploaded to maverick)
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> vish - then i guess you'll need to subscribe sponsors ;)
[12:55] <vish> chrisccoulson: oh! you dont have access for maverick either?
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> vish, no. and neither for natty
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> compiz is in desktop-core
[12:56] <vish> chrisccoulson: dont make me tell seb-128 ! ;p
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> i *can* upload it to dapper though if you like ;)
[12:57] <vish> wait! i just noticed that the maverick version was 8.*4*
[12:57] <vish> but this is 8.6
[12:58] <vish> nope. i'm blind :D
[13:00] <vish> or maybe not.. :s .. 1:0.8.4-0ubuntu16 is last maverick that i can see on that link..
[13:02] <vish> and then the 8.6 starts in which 1:0.8.6-0ubuntu9.1 seems latest
[13:03]  * vish gives up, subscribes sponsors and lets them yell at me :)
[13:04]  * rodrigo__ lunch
[13:11] <dpm> hey seb128, I'm not sure you saw my question earlier on: <dpm> I was trying to find out why the gdm translations did not get imported, and I think it's because of the fact that they are now imported from bzr upstream branches instead of packages. I've noticed that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm the upstream connection is set to the master branch instead of gnome-2-32. I would have thought someone would have noticed if the link is wr
[13:11] <dpm> ong, but perhaps you guys don't use it at all - how do you use the upstream bzr branches?
[13:12] <seb128> dpm, did you check with danilo? I though they didn't turn on upstream import for Ubuntu yet?
[13:12] <seb128> or that they would make it an optin on sources you have to ask to be imported
[13:12] <seb128> dpm, we don't use the upstream imports
[13:12] <seb128> dpm, I though launchpad was not supporting imports from != trunk anyway?
[13:13] <dpm> seb128, danilo no longer works on translations after the squad reorg in Launchpad, only henninge from the old team works on a translations feature right now. They have turned upstream imports now - but that's a good point, I'll check if it supports imports from branches other than trunk
[13:14] <seb128> dpm, right but he might still know what's going on there
[13:15] <seb128> dpm, when you say translations didn't get imported are those .po from the tarball or template?
[13:16] <dpm> seb128, I know, I was just pointing out. It seemed to me that the translations from the .po files did not get imported
[13:16] <seb128> dpm, do you have any example of string wrong or missing?
[13:19] <dpm> seb128, yeah, any of these: https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gdm/+pots/gdm/ca/+translate?show=untranslated (giving you the staging.lp.net link which contains an older copy of the database, as on production I fixed it for Catalan by manually importing the translations)
[13:20] <dpm> by manually importing the upstream translations, I mean
[13:22] <dpm> Any of the untranslated ones in that URL are present (and completed) upstream, but don't seem to make it to LP through package uploads
[13:23] <seb128> dpm, hum ok, yeah you need a launchpad guy there, I've no clue about that, at last UDS danilo told me that upstream imports would be opt in and not turned on before checking with us and using some testcases first
[13:24] <seb128> we didn't request those to be on for gdm in any case
[13:24] <dpm> seb128, yeah, I'll check with the lp guys, I was just asking you to know which use you made of the upstream branches first
[13:24] <dpm> thanks!
[13:24] <seb128> yw
[13:24] <seb128> let me know what you figure
[13:24] <seb128> I'm curious now ;-)
[13:24] <dpm> will do :-)
[13:25] <didrocks> making some session tests, brb :)
[13:36] <nessita> hello everyone!
[13:36] <nessita> hi dpm, I was wondering if you can confirm if this https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/translate-volumes/+merge/55989 requires a UI freeze
[13:37] <dpm> hola nessita, let me have a look...
[13:38] <nessita> dpm: I'm adding a new ui file for translation, that I dumbly forgot to add sooner :-(
[13:38] <nessita> dpm: but it only adds a new string: "Sync locally?"
[13:39] <dpm> nessita, that should be fine. Generally fixing strings that were untranslatable is not a problem. But if you could just send an e-mail to ubuntu-translators@ and ubuntu-doc@ with a heads up so that they know that there are new things to translate, that'd be great
[13:40] <nessita> dpm: thank you very much! I can send an email, no problem
[13:40] <dpm> nessita, excellent, thanks!
[13:41] <dpm> seb128, I haven't found any translations people around yet to answer the question on imports, but on the related question whether upstream imports other than the main branch are supported: for git, they are not, but they soon will be, according to jelmer -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589239/
[13:41] <seb128> dpm, ok
[13:41] <seb128> hey nessita
[13:42] <nessita> hey seb128! how are you?
[13:42] <cdbs> rodrigo__: gdm ported successfully, just that it isn't using the Adwaita theme for some reason
[13:43] <cdbs> rodrigo__: its using the old fallback theme with ugly Windows 98 buttons
[13:43] <seb128> nessita, I'm fine thanks, how are you?
[13:43] <seb128> cdbs, gdm ported to what?
[13:43] <nessita> seb128: pretty good, currently on buenos aires on a desktop+ sprint
[13:43] <cdbs> seb128: not ported, updated
[13:43] <seb128> nessita, oh, nice ;-)
[13:44] <cdbs> seb128: gdm 2.91.94
[13:44] <seb128> cdbs, you managed to port the stack of patches to the new codebasE?
[13:44] <cdbs> seb128: yeah, though it required a headache of work
[13:44] <seb128> I can imagine so
[13:44] <cdbs> many seemed to have been accepted upstream
[13:44] <seb128> does it require the new accountservice now?
[13:45] <cdbs> seb128: yeah
[13:45] <cdbs> it uses libaccountsservice
[13:45] <seb128> you managed to port gdmsetup to that?
[13:45] <cdbs> seb128: yeah, magically I changed configure.ac to build it with gtk3 and it build successfully
[13:45] <cdbs> and right now I am running a GNOME3 session booted using the version of gdm I just built
[13:46] <seb128> ok, weird that gdmsetup didn't need porting to use the accountservice
[13:46] <seb128> you are sure it's working as it should?
[13:46] <cdbs> seb128: yes it is, but I can't be sure about what happened during the build; whether gdmsetup built properly or not
[13:47] <seb128> ok
[13:47] <cdbs> seb128: My packaging isn't suitable for the PPA, it would require more pairs of experienced eyes before it enters te PPA
[13:47] <cdbs> seb128: the built GDM is in ppa:bilalakhtar/gnome-builds
[13:48] <seb128> ok
[13:48] <cdbs> you are sure to find a ton of mistakes in it
[13:48] <cdbs> but it still worked, magically
[14:02]  * bcurtiswx waves to room
[14:03]  * alex3f waves back to bcurtiswx
[14:04] <seb128> hey bcurtiswx
[14:04] <bcurtiswx> hey seb128, is anyone backporting the patch mentioned in bug #748535
[14:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748535 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in event_manager_add" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748535
[14:04] <seb128> you? ;-)
[14:05] <bcurtiswx> seb128, can do, just making sure i'm not performing a futile action
[14:05] <seb128> go for it
[14:05] <bcurtiswx> OK :)
[14:10] <davmor2> kenvandine: Gwibber lens doesn't seem to be doing anything for me,  is there something I'm meant to do once it's installed?  (By nothing I mean there are no quick menus, no tweets/fb entries shown etc)
[14:13] <kamstrup> davmor2: does normal gwibber work for you?
[14:14] <JanC> davmor2: do other lenses do anything (here none of them work, currently...  :P )
[14:14] <davmor2> kamstrup: Yeap
[14:14] <kenvandine_> davmor2, having trouble with the gwibberlense?
[14:14] <kamstrup> davmor2: have you restarted unity (or fx. logged out/in)?
[14:14] <davmor2> kamstrup: I rebooted
[14:15] <davmor2> kenvandine_: indeed nothing shows up, no quick menus, if I type in a name that is in a recent tweet nothing shows up etc
[14:15] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i noticed a pretty weird problem... installing the lense on a box that has never had it installed before is "odd"
[14:16] <kenvandine> davmor2, have you logged out twice?
[14:16] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i witnessed it 2 machines... had to logout and login 2 times before it populate the sections and the menus
[14:17] <kenvandine> which just seems impossible
[14:17] <davmor2> kenvandine: nope only once after I installed it,  I can reboot again if you'd like
[14:17] <kenvandine> kamstrup, just restarting the service doesn't do it
[14:17] <kenvandine> it is like the rendering side is confused
[14:17] <kenvandine> davmor2, please do
[14:17] <davmor2> one second
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: that can only happen if the daemon somehow keeps running and is in a bad state to begin with
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: is there maybe a headless login on the same user account or somethhing?
[14:18] <kenvandine> kamstrup, is it possible that i am doing something out of order or something... so the first time it runs it doesn't get the model right
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: if you log out and log back in it should always work...
[14:18] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i reproduced it on 2 fresh installs
[14:19] <kamstrup> kenvandine: and then after that you never see it again?
[14:19] <kenvandine> never again
[14:19] <kenvandine> does it do the on disk caching thing?
[14:21] <kenvandine> kamstrup, note: it isn't just that it isn't displaying results from gwibber... but it isn't populating the quicklists either
[14:21] <kenvandine> until the second restart
[14:21] <kamstrup> kenvandine: not unless you use the Dee.ResourceManager (which the unity-place-python example does not)
[14:21] <kenvandine> mine doesn't
[14:21] <kamstrup> ok
[14:21] <kenvandine> the renderer does seem to do some caching
[14:21] <kenvandine> it always has the last set of results
[14:21] <davmor2> kenvandine: Nope, however compiz crashed which triggered unity to restart and then everything showed up :)
[14:22] <kenvandine> which is awesome
[14:22] <kenvandine> davmor2, so now it is working?
[14:22] <davmor2> kenvandine: it is now indeed
[14:22] <kamstrup> kenvandine: Unity does "caching" in the sense that all the models are *shared* so they exists both locally on unity and on the daemon and are automagically kept in sync
[14:23] <kamstrup> kenvandine: and even if the daemon stops unity will still keep the model as it is
[14:23] <kamstrup> kenvandine: and when the daemon comes back up the models will be synced back into the daemon (from unity)
[14:23] <kenvandine> kamstrup, so maybe a race condition setting up the model?
[14:23] <kamstrup> kenvandine: could be, but if you restart or log out nothing should be cached
[14:24] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i had assumed it was caching on disk since once it works once, it always works reliably
[14:24] <kenvandine> it is just that first run
[14:25]  * kenvandine tries to reproduce in a guest session
[14:26] <kamstrup> kenvandine: no disk caching
[14:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ok, easy to reproduce in a guest session
[14:27] <kamstrup> you only get that if you explicitly do it yourself
[14:27] <kamstrup> ok
[14:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, so start a guest session
[14:28] <kenvandine> add a gwibber account
[14:28] <kenvandine> try then lens
[14:28] <kenvandine> it'll be empty and no sections
[14:28] <kenvandine> then
[14:28] <kenvandine> setsid unity
[14:28] <kenvandine> and like magic the lens works
[14:28] <kenvandine> kamstrup, it is very puzzling... :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> kamstrup, it doesn't even get the sections model
[14:30] <kenvandine> kamstrup, yeah, you can reproduce it even without adding a gwibber account
[14:30] <kenvandine> you'll notice there are no sections in the quicklist
[14:30] <kenvandine> but if you "setsid unity"
[14:30] <kenvandine> they show up
[14:30] <kamstrup> kenvandine: lol, sorry dude, works perfectly here :-)
[14:30] <kenvandine> sigh :-D
[14:31] <kenvandine> do you have the ppa version?
[14:31] <kenvandine> maybe it is something i broke :)
[14:33] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.34.0-0ubuntu2/+merge/56161 when you get some free time
[14:33] <kenvandine> kamstrup, try again
[14:34] <kenvandine> out of 5 attempts in a guest session it worked twice for me
[14:34] <kenvandine> so gotta be a race
[14:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, sure
[14:37] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ok... this is getting freaking weird by the minute
[14:37] <kenvandine> after a bunch of attempts in a guest session it is working everytime
[14:38] <kenvandine> but adding a new user and logging in it fails the first time
[14:38] <kenvandine> but the guest session gets cleaned up each time!
[14:39] <kenvandine> anyway, it does make it seem like a race condition, which of course can be unpredictable :)
[14:44] <JanC> isn't it possible to put windows back on the right workspace after a unity/compiz crash?
[14:49] <seb128> JanC, no, that's compiz which has the infos about those
[14:49] <seb128> so when it crashes it get a clean state
[14:49] <seb128> well it would be possible I guess but time is better spent on fixing the crashers ;-)
[14:51] <JanC> seb128: it seems to remember some of it, as it puts the workspaces in a different order, and then moves the windows slightly such that they end up partly off-screen
[14:53] <rodrigo__> cdbs, I think it's because we change the gsettings-desktop-schemas package to have another default theme
[14:53] <cdbs> rodrigo_: oh thanks for figuring it out
[14:59] <cdbs> rodrigo_: so, what is to blame for that? gdm or gsettings-desktop-schemas?
[15:09] <rodrigo_> cdbs, well, the problem is that we should set gsettings-desktop-schemas to use a default theme that we ship
[15:09] <rodrigo_> cdbs, so if we indeed have a patch in g-d-s to change the them, it's g-d-s' fault
[15:09] <rodrigo_> cdbs, can you check if that's the problem?
[15:10] <cdbs> rodrigo_: I apt-get sourced the g-d-s package and I found it to be setting Adwaita as the default theme
[15:10] <cdbs> rodrigo_: That seemed to be for the whole interface
[15:10] <cdbs> rodrigo_: I couldn't find a GDM-specific key for it
[15:12] <cdbs> rodrigo_: leave it, I am not uploading gdm to the GNOME3 ppa right now, I just left it in my own ppa, I'll see after the final release
[15:12] <cdbs> where final release is GNOME 3 final release
[15:13] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, thx for the merge
[15:14] <rickspencer3> hey all
[15:14]  * bcurtiswx waves at rickspencer3
[15:14] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:14] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, seb128, pitti, etc...
[15:14] <rickspencer3> it's beta 1 plus a few days, what's the work ont he street?
[15:15] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:15] <rodrigo_> cdbs, hmm, ok, I thought we had a patch
[15:15] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, back home?
[15:15] <rodrigo_> cdbs, and afaik, gdm should be using the default, so not sure who to blame now then
[15:15] <cdbs> rodrigo_: /me scans accross GDM source code to see how its determining the theme
[15:16] <seb128> rickspencer3, lot of bug feedback over launchpad during the weekend, having reading though most of it desktop seems solid, unity seems quite stable now but lot of small issues
[15:16] <rickspencer3> pitti, yeah, got back yesterday evening
[15:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, do you think unity is going to be ready to ship by beta 2?
[15:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, I mean, what's your gut feel?
[15:16] <pitti> it's still very crashy
[15:16] <pitti> but I think it'll be good, if they keep the current bug fix pace
[15:17] <seb128> pitti, is it?
[15:17] <pitti> seb128: not for you?
[15:18] <pitti> it's a lot better than in beta-1, though
[15:18] <seb128> pitti, I didn't get any crash for 3 weeks out of stress testing it to make it crash which worked once
[15:18] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems fine to ship to me, it's not like we ever have a bug free product
[15:18] <rickspencer3> the only time I get any kind of instability is when I am in multi-mon
[15:27] <didrocks> pitti: if it's very crashy, please tell us, we have very few crashes since last update
[15:28] <pitti> didrocks: I'll apport it the next time it goes boom
[15:28] <didrocks> thanks :)
[15:32] <seb128> mvo, bug #742935
[15:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742935 in aptdaemon "aptd crashed with OSError in release(): [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742935
[15:32] <seb128> mvo, that one got several recent duplicate
[15:33] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I check it out
[15:33] <seb128> mvo, there is another one about unicode error but it's on the natty list so I guess it's on your list right?
[15:34] <seb128> bug #730643 as well
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730643 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with Error in setlocale(): unsupported locale setting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730643
[15:35] <seb128> not sure if it's a pitti thing due to the gi port though
[15:35] <mvo> seb128: the aptdaemon unicode one I have a branch ready
[15:35] <mvo> I had hoped that glatzor is able to have a look, but if he dosn't in the next days I will merge/upload
[15:35] <seb128> ok
[15:36] <pitti> seb128, mvo: I can have a look at the s-p-g crash
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, that would be great thanks, doesn't seem to be gi related but it started this cycle
[15:36] <seb128> or it's frequent nowadays for some reason
[15:36] <pitti> seb128: coudl be related to more detailled locale setting in gdm
[15:36] <seb128> right
[15:37] <seb128> pitti, btw I've a go at fixing the retracers
[15:37] <pitti> seb128: argh, they crashed again?
[15:37] <seb128> yes
[15:37] <pitti> what is it this time?
[15:37] <seb128> the amd64 without a reason, I restarted it and it's going through python duplicate fine still
[15:38] <seb128> the i386 one crashes on ['apt-get', '-y', '--allow-unauthenticated', 'dist-upgrade']
[15:38] <seb128> I'm logging in manually to see what fails to upgrade
[15:40] <seb128> pitti, it's the udev upgrade which breaks it
[15:41] <pitti> ah, needs set -e removed from the postinst again
[15:42] <seb128> pitti, well I usually just rm the postinst
[15:42] <seb128> that's not like those were boxes that need to start or have a working udev ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> dobey, hi, we got another g-s-d crash bug from natty due to the quota dialog
[15:52] <seb128> dobey, do you think you can work on it before natty?
[15:53] <dobey> seb128: ok
[15:53] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[15:57] <dobey> seb128: i think we are going to remove that part of the plug-in, in favor of other integration points with unity
[15:57] <seb128> dobey, if you could just drop a comment on the bug from the other day to say you will work on it that would be nice since the submitter since quite responsive and sort of corporate user with landscape support
[15:58] <seb128> dobey, ok, I'm find either way, as long as g-s-d stops crashing and that the submitter see that we are taking care of the issue ;-)
[15:58] <dobey> seb128: right, yes, i will fix it today even.
[15:59] <seb128> dobey, great, thanks
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i just reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/natty/upower/sleep/+merge/54093, but you should probably have overall authority on that. you might want to take a look at it at some point
[16:08] <dobey> seb128: so there's a couple g_return_if_fail_warning crashes i see in g-s-d filed under ubuntuone. but it looks like it's crashing in libc or in glib maybe
[16:27] <seb128> doh, mvo is making the retracer life hard ;-)
[16:31] <seb128> dobey, do you have examples?
[16:34] <dobey> seb128: bug #744758
[16:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744758 in ubuntuone-client "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744758
[16:34] <dobey> seb128: it seems to be crashing in vasprintf internals, which is a bit weird
[16:35] <seb128> dobey, could be a corruption issue
[16:35] <seb128> dobey, or an invalid translation
[16:35] <seb128> like not using the right format
[16:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm aware of it, thanks
[16:43] <seb128> pitti, seems quite some users ran into #713863
[16:43] <seb128> it's jockey crash
[16:44] <dobey> seb128: sorry, broken wifi toggle button on this laptop
[16:44] <seb128> sorry guys, I've been doing some duplicate counting in the retracer log to see frequent python crashers
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: thanks, assigned to me
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: no need to be sorry; I'm so glad that you do this kind of urgent bug review!
[16:45] <seb128> ;-)
[16:45] <seb128> it's just mvo who hates me after it because he has some of the most frequent ones ;-)
[16:46] <seb128> mvo, #728713 is a s-c one
[16:46] <pitti> well, hate isn't proportional to frequency, but to difficulty :) (for developers anyway)
[16:48] <seb128> bug #736507 as well
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736507 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _convert_struct(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 100: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736507
[16:51] <mvo> thanks seb128
[16:51] <seb128> mvo, sorry for spamming you ;-)
[16:54] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, how would I get a subscription request box to pop up?  I'm testing a fix to gnome bug #646654
[16:54] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646654 in Contact List "Empathy subscription request dialog box should be more helpful" [Trivial,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646654
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i have a patch for the gsd/u1-plugin crasher
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> it also makes g-s-d actually shut down properly
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> (it just spins the CPU for ages on shutdown atm)
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice, tell dobey when he's back
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the quota crasher?
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - bug 744758
[17:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744758 in ubuntuone-client "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744758
[17:35] <seb128> oh, that one
[17:35] <seb128> nice catch
[17:35] <seb128> sorry we discussed 2 issues earlier and I was still set on the other one
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that one has been an issue for ages, but i never actually sat down to investigate it properly
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure it's a problem on maverick too
[17:36] <seb128> the bug is a lucid one...
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> it stops gsd from quitting properly too
[17:36] <seb128> so it's likely an issue since at least lucid
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> brb, i need to restart xchat now i've been playing with g-s-d ;)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> that's better :)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> i don't have an xchat window that looks like it came from the 1970s now
[17:50] <kenvandine> seb128, i fixed bug 746962, looks like it was a copy paste of the bug i fixed in 739319
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746962 in indicator-me "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGABRT in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746962
[17:50] <seb128> kenvandine, right, that's what I assumed when I read it, thanks
[17:50] <kenvandine> seb128, i reviewed the rest of the service, only other g_error is if we can't get on the bus at all
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the theming issue is fixed in gtk3 it seems
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, i.e applications not picking up the theme correctly
[17:51] <seb128> kenvandine, ok great
[17:52] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know why the username fetching fails for those btw? what will be displayed instead?
[17:53] <kenvandine> so should be good
[17:54] <kenvandine> i can't reproduce the failure
[17:54] <kenvandine> but it'll be an empty string
[17:55] <kenvandine> actually, it'll just never set_label
[17:55] <kenvandine> set_text on the label rather
[17:56] <kenvandine> same for the status icon, it just won't set it
[18:34] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:41] <didrocks> good night pit
[18:41] <didrocks> pitti*
[18:41]  * didrocks can't type anymore
[18:56] <davmor2> kenvandine: I have one issue with the gwibber-lens it's not obvious which order the posts are in.  Does it go down the columns left to right or along the rows left to right?
[18:57] <davmor2> kenvandine: the issue is only raised because in gwibber you go down the column rather than across.  It is still pretty cool though :)
[18:59] <kenvandine> yeah... i have the same complaint
[18:59] <kenvandine> davmor2, unfortunately i can't control that, the renderer does
[18:59] <kenvandine> left to right does feel weird for this
[19:00] <kenvandine> davmor2, i am hoping to convince njpatel to create a single column version of the render
[19:00] <kenvandine> davmor2, i suspect there will be bribing involved at UDS :)
[19:02] <davmor2> kenvandine: get him drunk to the point where he'll say yeah to anything record it then dub the question in before, then he has to he said yeah :D
[19:59] <tedg> Is there a way to find out what version of indicator-appmenu this stack trace aligns with?  bug 738561
[19:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 738561 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738561
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> dobey, did you see the patch on bug 744758?
[20:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744758 in ubuntuone-client "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744758
[20:28] <dobey> chrisccoulson: no not yet.
[20:30] <dobey> chrisccoulson: hrmm. weird. are you going to propose an upstream branch for that?
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> dobey, yeah, can do
[20:33] <dobey> chrisccoulson: great, thanks
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646654
[20:39] <ubot2> Gnome bug 646654 in Contact List "Empathy subscription request dialog box should be more helpful" [Trivial,New]
[21:14] <nagappan_> in #ubuntu-testing, I asked patrickmw the following info, pasting here, can someone help us ?
[21:14] <nagappan_> nagappan_> patrickmw, okay, the reason I ask is, in VMware Workstation, we have Unity functionality, where the guest window will appear as on of the host application window
 patrickmw, in Ubuntu 11.04 I don't see the menu in this window
 patrickmw, if we can enable / disable the menu bar at run-time, that will be nice ;-)
[21:14] <nagappan_> patrickmw suggested me to check here, thanks patrickmw :-)
[22:03] <SpamapS> In Unity sometimes I swear the launcher just stays visible and won't go away.
[22:04] <SpamapS> I have to close or open a program to make it slide back away
[22:04] <SpamapS> am I crazy?
[22:04] <Ampelbein> SpamapS: I have the same problem, so we are crazy together \o/
[22:05] <Ampelbein> it seems to have something to do with clicking launcher then switching to another window without waiting for the program to load.
[22:07] <SpamapS> Hmm that doesn't seem to do it for me.
[22:09] <Ampelbein> it's not always happening for me, so maybe it's only a coincidence.
[22:09] <SpamapS> I can't put a finger on when it stays stuck.. but when its stuck its very annoying because its not clear how to make it go away. :-P
[23:07] <nagappan_> patrickmw, can I ping someone is specific ?
[23:10] <nagappan_> patrickmw, found something interesting online, but this requires to be changed before any app started or restart the system - http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html
[23:10] <nagappan_> patrickmw, not at runtime
[23:12] <patrickmw> nagappan_, nice.  try asking the guy who wrote the blog :)
[23:12] <nagappan_> patrickmw, finding some more useful info here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu
[23:13] <patrickmw> nagappan_, I really don't know the answer, so you may want to ask again
[23:13] <nagappan_> patrickmw, sure
[23:13] <nagappan_> patrickmw, np
[23:25] <nagappan> is there a way to disable the appmenu at run-time ? rather than before starting the app ?


[07:34] <vila> hello all !
[07:40] <poolie> hello vila
[07:40] <vila> poolie: hi there !
[07:40] <vila> poolie, spiv: Regarding the doc-new-config mp, thanks for the feedback !
[07:40] <poolie> hi there
[07:41] <poolie> thanks for posting it; sorry for the delay
[07:42] <vila> I don't think it's ready to land in trunk, devnotes sounds more like it, but even there, I think more work is needed before landing, so I will reply to the points raised and put it in wip
[07:42] <poolie> well, i think you should merge it to devnotes then
[07:42] <poolie> there doesn't have to be any guarantee that files in that tree are finished or agreed-upon
[07:43] <poolie> and it makes them visible and shareable
[07:43] <poolie> (more so than being in just a random wip branch)
[07:44] <vila> good point, I'll do that then
[07:48] <MTecknology> So... somebody just asked me "How do I do bzr?"
[07:49] <MTecknology> any link?
[07:49] <vila> MTecknology: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/en/ ?
[07:49] <vila> MTecknology: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/tutorials/index.html ?
[07:50] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[07:50] <poolie> vila, so on the sru
[07:50] <vila> poolie: So, as maxb raised, on step forward two steps backwards for the Mricro Release Exception, we need testtools included in the main archive to be able to run the tests as part of the build
[07:51] <vila> poolie: as you pointed out in your reply, this means running the tests externally
[07:51] <vila> poolie: and making sure testtools is part of main for natty
[07:53] <vila> poolie: jml said he doesn't care whether python-testtools is part of main or universe, I've started looking at what is needed to get it in main (hopefully not much)
[07:53] <vila> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess is the relevant page AIUI
[07:55] <poolie> ok
[07:55] <vila>  From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements, I think this shouldn't cause any problems
[07:55] <poolie> meant to do it today; didn't
[07:55] <vila> ?
[07:55] <vila> *I* meant to do it Friday but couldn't finish ;)
[07:56] <vila> well, I didn't get farer than reading the above pages really
[07:59] <lifeless> vila: farther
[08:01] <vila> lifeless: haaaa, but of course !
[08:01] <poolie> *further*
[08:02] <poolie> or not?
[08:02] <vila> meh
[08:02] <poolie> apparently yes, but only barely: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000213.htm
[08:03] <vila> I meant: I've started, there is more to do, but I lacked time to continue
[08:04] <poolie> right, that's what i understood :)
[08:05] <vila> so literally I think it's farther, but the English usage is probably further, thanks to both of you anyway ;)
[08:05] <spm> "farer" that's perfect! it even makes sense following the insane rules of english.
[08:05] <poolie> i think i'll just send a brief note to tb and see what they say
[08:06] <vila> poolie: ok, can you CC me ?
[08:08] <poolie> i will
[08:09] <lifeless> poolie: heh, whoops.
[08:09] <lifeless> poolie: I've finally logged into netbank and wired you that stuff
[08:11] <poolie> thanks
[08:19] <poolie> vila, maxb: just so i don't embarrass myself, it is correct that the test suite is now clean both during a build and from the installed package
[08:19] <poolie> in 2.2.2
[08:19] <vila> I haven't checked recently, but that's my understanding
[08:20] <vila> If that's not the case, it should be fixed
[08:55] <poolie> vila: sent; we'll see
[08:56] <vila> ok
[08:58] <vila> poolie: maverick slave upgraded to 2.2.2, running the test suite there to confirm
[09:05] <poolie> ok, good night vila
[09:06] <vila> hehe, good night to you ;)
[09:10] <lifeless> poolie: http://blog.benstrong.com/2010/11/google-and-microsoft-cheat-on-slow.html
[09:13] <poolie> nice
[09:13] <poolie> "Google.... decided the best way to make forward progress was to just turn it on and see whether the internet actually melts down or not"
[09:13] <poolie> :)
[09:16] <fullermd> Which do they consider success?   :p
[15:22] <vila> jelmer: ping
[15:23] <jelmer> vila: hey
[15:24] <vila> jelmer: I tried to upgrade lp:~bzr-core/bzr/devnotes which is still in format knitpack6 (bzr 1.9) but it failed because it's still stacked on the old trunk
[15:24] <vila> there is now a backup.bzr.~1~ there with the previous content
[15:25] <vila> jelmer: is there a way for me to either restore that and re-stack on the new trunk and upgrade or do I need someone powerful hand behind the scenes ?
[15:26] <jelmer> vila: It should be possible to use hitchhiker to move the old backup directory and manually fix the stacked-on branch using hitchhiker as well
[15:27] <vila> jelmer: ha right, made a typo with lftp
[15:28] <vila> and got a misleading Access failed: Permission denied: "Cannot create '.bzr-broken'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed.
[15:29] <jelmer> there are particular file names that are allowed
[15:29] <jelmer> I think backup.bzr* is allowed
[15:29] <jelmer> as well as .bzr
[15:30] <vila> yeah, the typo was backup.bzr~2~ instead of backup.bzr.~2~ after .bzr-broken was refused
[15:30] <vila> so the last period is mandatory
[15:49] <vila> jelmer: I had to upload a locally patched branch.conf to update the stacked-on repo :-/ After the upgrade failed successfully 8-/
[15:49] <jelmer> vila: \o/
[15:49] <jelmer> vila: This is too hard for somebody not familiar with the internals though :-/
[15:50] <vila> jelmer: yeah, filing a bug asking for --stacked-on parameter for upgrade
[15:50] <vila> jelmer: exactly my point
[16:28] <jam> morning vila and jelmer
[16:28] <vila> hey jam 1
[16:28] <vila> how was the turkey ?
[16:28] <jam> pretty good
[16:28] <jelmer> hey John
[16:28] <jam> fun to be around my family
[16:35] <maxb> jelmer: hey. Got a moment to talk about how to run tests on a buildd and the 2.2.2 SRU?
[16:35] <jelmer> maxb: sure
[16:35] <maxb> The thing is, the 2.2.2 SRU as is doesn't pass the tests
[16:35] <maxb> The problem is the tests in 2.2 fail if they are run in a directory containing setup.py and run as root
[16:35] <jelmer> maxb: I don't think we should be introducing the change to run the tests in a SRU
[16:35] <vila> maxb: which ones ?
[16:36] <jelmer> maxb: I fixed the setup.py test a week or two ago in bzr.dev.
[16:36] <maxb> The one which tests 'setup.py install', and tries to write to /usr/share/apport/
[16:36] <maxb> This is not a problem in bzr.dev because I ripped out the apport installation from setup.py there with poolie's blessing
[16:37] <jelmer> maxb: Why did you remove the apport installation?
[16:38] <maxb> I can dig up the MP, but the summary is "This is never the right thing to do - configuring apport is something for distros to do."
[16:38] <vila> maxb: I think this test should be skipped if run by root, sounds far too dangerous anyway
[16:39] <maxb> https://code.launchpad.net/~maxb/bzr/no-install-apport/+merge/38463
[16:39] <jelmer> maxb: Ah, ok. That's a reasonable approach (though it'd mean we'd have to patch bzr in Ubuntu)
[16:39] <maxb> vila: To be honest, I'm rather confused why this test is considered valuable at all
[16:40] <jelmer> maxb: Making sure that "setup.py install" works seems like a nice thing, it's broken in the past.
[16:40] <vila> maxb: catching up regressions
[16:40] <maxb> jelmer: The interesting fact to note is that the old apport installation code does *not* install the apport hooks in the bzr ubuntu package :-)
[16:40] <jelmer> maxb: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr/setup.py-root/+merge/40067
[16:40] <maxb> Oh, I get it now, you want to catch setup.py install failures in PQM
[16:40] <vila> maxb: which is why eager tests are bad :(
[16:40] <jelmer> maxb: But I guess that's been obsoleted by your change.
[16:42] <vila> maxb: I ran http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick/ this morning, but not as root, is it the only test failing ?
[16:42] <maxb> --root is more technically correct anyway
[16:42] <maxb> vila: checking for my ppa build log...
[16:43] <vila> meh, wrong url, the correct one is: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick-proposed/
[16:43] <maxb> https://code.launchpad.net/~maxb/+archive/ppa/+build/2064150
[16:43] <vila> maxb: so I used the bzr from the bzr/proposed ppa
[16:43] <maxb> That buildlog shows just the one failure
[16:44] <maxb> Oh, you are testing the run-tests-when-installed part of the puzzle, I am focussing on the run-tests-on-buildd part of the puzzle
[16:45] <vila> maxb: yes
[16:46] <vila> maxb: my understanding was that we couldn't use python-testtools during the build so I reverted to the manual check
[16:47] <vila> oh, so you activate the tests in your private ppa (was wondering where I got my bzr-2.2.2 suddenly ;)
[16:54] <maxb> vila: I'm testing in ~maxb because ~bzr has a newer testtools than the primary archive, so wouldn't be a realistic test
[16:56] <maxb> Also, I am running the tests in ~bzr, but with some tweaks to how they are invoked in debian/rules, which I haven't managed to convince jelmer of the rightness of for Debian&Ubuntu yet.
[19:44] <bzr> Hi--I'm having some trouble with pushing from bzr explorer.  Is this the right place to be?
[19:58] <bzr> Is anyone here?
[20:06] <jelmer> bzr: hi
[20:06] <bzr> Hi!
[20:06] <jelmer> bzr: I'm afraid I don't really have much experience with bzr-explorer. What's the problem?
[20:06] <bzr> I seem to have set my username wrong--I'm George from that tricky bzr push bug.
[20:07] <bzr> When I try to push, I get:
[20:07] <bzr> Run command: bzr push
[20:07] <bzr> Using saved push location: https://george<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:07] <bzr> bzr: ERROR: Please upgrade your Subversion client libraries to 1.5 or higher to be able to commit with Subversion mapping v4 (current version is (1, 4, 4, ''))
[20:07] <bzr> (The bug was https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/681285?comments=all)
[20:08] <jelmer> bzr: you're using bzr-svn trunk?
[20:08] <bzr> I think so.
[20:09] <bzr> Is that:
[20:09] <bzr> svn 1.0.3
[20:09] <jelmer> your copy of subvertpy was linked against an old version of libsvn
[20:09] <bzr>    Support for Subversion branches
[20:09] <bzr>    /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/svn
[20:09] <bzr> How do I fix that?
[20:09] <bzr> I tried rebuilding bzr using MacPorts, but that didn't work at all...
[20:09] <jelmer> bzr: you can either recompile subvertpy against a newer libsvn or install bzr from another source
[20:10] <bzr> Can I recompile just subvertpy using MacPorts?  Or is there another way to do that?
[20:10] <bzr> What other sources can I use to install bzr?
[20:10] <jelmer> bzr: I'm not sure (I've never really used a Mac)
[20:11] <bzr> Hm.
[20:11] <jelmer> bzr: I think the other alternative is the installer on the bzr site
[20:11] <Tak> macports is a quick path to brokenness
[20:11] <dash> nah
[20:11] <bzr> I used the installer from the bzr site.
[20:11] <bzr> This one:
[20:11] <bzr> http://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/2.2/2.2.1/+download/Bazaar-2.2.1-OSX-10.5-1.dmg
[20:11] <bzr> Right?
[20:11] <dash> yeah you can't use the installer if you want to use macports stuff
[20:13] <bzr> I've also tried: http://launchpad.net/bzr/2.2/2.2.0/+download/Bazaar-2.2.0-OSX-10.5-1.dmg
[20:14] <bzr> Shouldn't those have a more up-to-date svn version?
[20:14] <bzr> Do I want to try: http://launchpad.net/bzr/2.3/2.3b3/+download/Bazaar-2.3b3-OSX-10.5-1.dmg
[20:14] <bzr> ?
[20:15] <jelmer> I've been using 2.3 for quite some time without problems
[20:16] <bzr> Okay, I guess I'll try that then...
[20:17] <bzr> Is it possibly that I'm on OS X 10.5?
[20:23] <bzr> Same error on bzr 2.3b3.
[20:24] <poolie> hi all
[20:24] <poolie> hm, that's confusing :)
[20:24] <bzr> Run command: bzr push
[20:24] <bzr> bzr: ERROR: Please upgrade your Subversion client libraries to 1.5 or higher to be able to commit with Subversion mapping v4 (current version is (1, 4, 4, ''))
[20:24] <jelmer> 'morning poolie
[20:24] <bzr> Hi poolie.
[20:27] <bzr> I just tried downloading and installing the py26-subvertpy via MacPorts.  Same error.
[20:27] <jelmer> bzr: I'm not sure what's going on there. It could be that you end up using the system svn libraries or something like that
[20:28] <bzr> My system svn claims to be 1.6.9.
[20:28] <maxb> bzr: Perhaps you could first confirm where this Subversion 1.4.4 installation is - the system one? Something else?
[20:28] <bzr> (from svn help)
[20:28] <bzr> It's not the system one.
[20:28] <bzr> I really don't know where it is.
[20:29] <bzr> Is there any way to get bzr to tell me where it's getting its svn?
[20:36] <poolie> bzr set 'BZR_PDB=1' in the environment
[20:36] <poolie> then when it/if it crashes, type 'pp sys.modules()'
[20:38] <bzr> Where do I type pp sys.modules()?  And will it work if bzr doesn't crash?
[20:40] <bzr> It just fails with:
[20:40] <bzr> Run command: bzr push
[20:40] <bzr> Using saved push location: https://george<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:40] <bzr> bzr: ERROR: Please upgrade your Subversion client libraries to 1.5 or higher to be able to commit with Subversion mapping v4 (current version is (1, 4, 4, ''))
[20:40] <maxb> If it does not crash, you will not get the prompt at which you would type the pp command
[20:40] <bzr> Hm.
[20:40] <bzr> Is there a way to get it to crash?
[20:41] <maxb> bzr: OK, so I have checked the bzr-svn source code, and the 1.4.4 being reported is the version of Subversion that the subvertpy python extension was compiled against
[20:41] <bzr> Thanks.
[20:42] <bzr> So...I need to upgrade subvertpy?
[20:42] <bzr> Shouldn't updating subvertpy via MacPorts have worked?
[20:42] <maxb> I have zero Mac knowledge
[20:43] <maxb> But certainly, you do need to rebuild subvertpy against a newer subversion
[20:45] <bzr> Who would know how to do that?
[20:48] <maxb> I have to go now, sorry.
[20:51] <bzr> I have to go too.  More anon.  Thanks!
[21:30] <rootart> hello to all
[21:31] <rootart> I have a question about the bzr hooks and signals, how we can check on server side that new branch is created?
[21:32] <rootart> I found this hook post_branch_init but I'm not very familar with API so, can someone suggest how to work with this ?
[22:39] <spiv> rootart: have you seen http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/development/en/user-guide/hooks.html ?
[22:41] <spiv> rootart: the object passed to the hook is http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.branch.BranchInitHookParams.html
[22:42] <rootart> spiv: yes, I saw that, for now I think I can get the action, but now I have over one, I have a repository 'repo', I want create a branch 'b1', I am getting the new one branch object, but how can I know what repository this branch is a copy of ?
[22:42] <rootart> spiv: thanks again, that is done I think
[22:42] <rootart> spiv: now have only this last one question
[22:49] <spiv> rootart: if you have a branch object, the repository is 'your_branch.repository'
[23:35] <poolie> hi maxb, spiv, jelmer
[23:40] <dOxxx> evening
[23:54] <mgz> ...if I try and delete the bug watch from bug 682600 I get OOPS-1794O2309


[11:47] <sonda> hello
[11:47] <sonda> i want to write my own application in ubuntu
[11:47] <sonda> i know c,c++
[11:48] <sonda> how to get started?
[11:49] <sonda> my idea is to write a note taking application which will integrate with some database may be mysql... i am not sure
[11:50] <sonda> to provide facilities like find as you type, tags, etc..
[11:52] <sonda> right now i use zim... its nice but it doesn't have search as you type feature
[11:55] <tsimpson> you should decide if you want to write a GTK+, GNOME, Qt, KDE, or fancy-pants QML application first
[11:57] <sonda> i can learn qt quickly i guess
[11:59] <sonda> which one is the most widely used?
[11:59] <tsimpson> it's hard to say, but I would speculate that Qt is the most widely used
[12:00] <tsimpson> I'm one of those Qt fanatics though, so I may be biased
[12:00] <sonda> is it free
[12:00] <sonda> or i would need license?
[12:01] <tsimpson> it's free
[12:01] <tsimpson> you only need a license if you plan on changing the Qt source and not sharing those changes (closed-source proprietary applications)
[12:02] <sonda> No I am not that intelligent
[12:02] <tsimpson> but it's LGPL, so you can use it freely for open-source stuff
[12:02] <sonda> I want to use my free time productively. so thinking of starting with something
[12:02] <sonda> i have never done such things before
[12:03] <sonda> but my inner voice says I can do it
[12:03] <tsimpson> you likely already have the Qt libraries installed, you just need the development packages with an "apt-get install qt-sdk"
[12:03] <sonda> any website for help
[12:03] <tsimpson> then you should see the Qt Creator IDE installed
[12:04] <tsimpson> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/
[12:04] <sonda> i have heard qt can be used on many platforms
[12:04] <sonda> specific to qt on ubuntu any website
[12:05] <sonda> or the os doesn't matter?
[12:05] <tsimpson> you don't need to know anything specific really, it's designed so you write the same C++ code and it works everywhere
[12:06] <sonda> can i get help here regarding coding
[12:06] <tsimpson> http://developer.ubuntu.com/ may have some more info, but last I checked some of it's links for Qt were out of date
[12:06] <tsimpson> you can ask here, but this channel is rather.. dead
[12:06] <tsimpson> there is #qt though
[12:07] <sonda> oh i see
[12:10] <sonda> thanks simpson
[12:11] <sonda> hope to see you soon, when i am stuck with something
[12:12] <tsimpson> well I'm also in #qt so I'll probably see any questions you ask ;)
[12:12] <sonda> cool :)
[12:15] <sonda> one more thing
[12:15] <sonda> for database can i use mysql
[12:15] <sonda> i think it comes with ubuntu right?
[12:17] <tsimpson> I don't think it comes with ubuntu by default
[12:17] <tsimpson> there is SQLite installed by default though
[12:17] <sonda> oh i see
[12:18] <sonda> it might be sufficient right?
[12:18] <tsimpson> it likely is
[12:18] <tsimpson> there's also that couchdb/desktopcouch thing that ubuntu likes to use
[12:19] <sonda> whats that
[12:19] <sonda> do i need any special learning for that
[12:19] <tsimpson> "RESTful document oriented database" apparently
[12:20] <tsimpson> it's not SQL as far as I know, so you'd need to get to grips with whatever API it uses
[12:20] <tsimpson> but SQLite is always there, and Qt has built-in support for SQLite too
[12:20] <sonda> ok
[12:24] <sonda> which ide u use for coding
[12:25] <tsimpson> depends on my mood and the scale of coding I'm doing, either just a plain text editor like kate or nano, or I use Qt Creator
[12:26] <tsimpson> and maybe kdevelop now it's getting stable again
[12:27] <sonda> any ide that has intellisense?
[12:28] <tsimpson> Qt Creator has code completion, yes
[12:29] <sonda> ok great
[14:08] <sohail_> hey guys, I'm trying to install both libssl-dev and libssl-dev:i386 on 12.04 but I get the following error: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134608 - I need to build against both 32 and 64-bit :(
[14:09] <sohail_> (it's a conflict)
[14:10] <sohail_> anyone know how to fix it?
[14:13] <sohail_> damnit: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689093
[14:13] <ubot2`> Debian bug 689093 in libssl-dev "libssl-dev is not Multi-Arch compatible" [Normal,Open]
[14:24] <christoffer> Hi, I'm trying to use Glade to design a Toolbar with "Text beside icons" but it doesn't seem to work. "Text below icons" works just fine.
[14:24] <christoffer> anyone know if there is a known bug reported for this?
[14:28] <christoffer> aha, had to mark the toolbutton "important"
[14:28] <christoffer> that doesn't make sense :P
[15:45] <wed_> hi
[15:46] <wed_> i have a question about packaging for the ubuntu software center: does the package to upload be a .deb file? if so, how do i create one? i dont use the pygobject api.
[18:26] <ziyadb> Good day all!
[18:26] <ziyadb> Glad to see the number of users in this channel.
[18:27] <ziyadb> I'll be a regular from here on as I am working on developing a heavily customized app.
[18:27] <ziyadb> I'm also new to the platform :D
[22:38] <JanC> ziyadb: thanks for staying and wanting to become a regular; too many people just drop in, ask a question, and leave again before anybody can answer...   :-/
[22:38] <JanC> I guess it's not obvious for everybody dat IRC != instant messaging
[22:40] <JanC> also, we need a lot more users to make the channel more active  ☺
[23:10] <dually> I see that qml can call XMLHttpRequest(); with GET parameter.  Is it possible to POST as well?


[22:45] <qengho> Hi all.  I'm working on a project that doesn't use gettext, and I have made a translator that reads and writes POT and PO files. I just uploaded a branch and it doesn't match the (meaningless) Template Names in LP.  What should I do?
[22:46] <qengho> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+imports
[22:46] <qengho> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+templates
[22:50] <qengho> Ah, never mind. I think I figured it out.


[00:34] <sergio-br2> if I can nest branch into a main branch, why launchpad complains about submodules? I can do this manually in the recipe
[03:07] <skypce> hello all
[03:07] <skypce> how many time delay to appear a uploaded package in launchpad repo*?
[03:08] <skypce> how many time request a package to appear  in launchpad repo*?
[07:01] <Ashok> Hi
[07:02] <Ashok> I m trying to update crash report for a non packged binary ... but getting errors ...
[07:03] <Ashok> Is there a way to skip checks for package search?
[09:08] <cjwatson> skypce: somewhere in the general area of 5-15 minutes.  If you get no response then see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors#The_upload_appears_to_work_but_I_don.27t_get_any_email_about_it
[14:08] <chrigl> hey. is there any way to define "deb http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-updates/icehouse main" as a build dependency for PPAs?
[14:14] <skypce> hello
[14:14] <skypce> i am uploaded a package
[14:14] <skypce> but nothing append, it doesnt appear in packages
[14:15] <skypce> for upload i need sign into bzr launchapd-login*?
[14:16] <tsimpson> skypce: how long has it been since the upload completed?
[14:16] <skypce> all night
[14:17] <skypce> in a ppa
[14:17] <skypce> i was delete it
[14:17] <skypce> and create other new
[14:17] <skypce> now i was uploaded files again
[14:17] <tsimpson> skypce: then you should have a look at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors#The_upload_appears_to_work_but_I_don.27t_get_any_email_about_it
[14:20] <skypce> this is the problem
[14:20] <skypce> key is not in launchpad
[14:24] <dobey> chrigl: no, you can only define other PPAs as dependencies of a PPA. but you should probably have all the packages that are needed to build a package you wish to upload to a PPA, in the PPA itself.
[14:25] <chrigl> dobey: ok… thanks.
[16:50] <skypce> hello all
[16:50] <skypce> i have this error
[16:50] <skypce> add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
[16:51] <skypce> gpg: skipped "01C907DC": secret key not available
[16:51] <skypce> i am working from pbuilder
[16:51] <skypce> each time it looses the key
[16:51] <skypce> how can i enable the key from launchpad?
[16:54] <cjwatson> Don't see why it wants the secret key, particularly since that isn't the key ID for that PPA
[16:54] <cjwatson> I suspect this is junk left over in your local /etc/apt/trusted.gpg somehow
[16:54] <cjwatson> You can use apt-key to manage it
[17:02] <skypce> thank you cjwatson
[17:12] <sergio-br2> Unable to import branch because of limitations in Bazaar.
[17:12] <sergio-br2> The repository you are fetching from contains submodules, which are not yet supported.
[17:12] <sergio-br2> why launchpad does not simply ignores git submodules?
[17:12] <sergio-br2> if I can nest branch into a main branch, why launchpad complains about submodules? I can do this manually in the recipe
[17:15] <cjwatson> Just ignoring git submodules would give wrong results ...
[17:15] <cjwatson> I'd just construct the source package externally if I were you.
[17:17] <cjwatson> I think at any rate it's rather unlikely that non-trivial git->bzr import bugs will be fixed.  There haven't been engineers working on that for some time.
[17:52] <sergio-br2> cjwatson, but sometimes I have a git repo without submodules, and launchpad continue to complain
[17:55] <sergio-br2> the big deal with the git->bzr import is that i can maintain a package up to date without touch it
[18:00] <sergio-br2> cjwatson, are there any way to use a debian folder branch in launchpad, that downloads the tarball from upstream?
[18:05] <sergio-br2> i'm helping to maintain libretro ppa. It has 23 packages, and growing. 3 of them i have to update manually
[18:30] <sergio-br2> to build the package using multi core, is it dh $@ --parallel
[18:30] <sergio-br2> ?
[18:31] <sergio-br2> i'm using it, but it seems that it does not work, at least in my laptop
[18:41] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: Honestly I'd just do it outside LP.  There's nobody available to fix bzr import bugs, really.
[18:41] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: dh $@ --parallel should work, but to test that in sbuild you'd also need some flavour of the -j option.
[18:42] <cjwatson> Or --debbuildopts "-j4" or whatever in pbuilder, I think
[18:43] <sergio-br2> you mean in the sbuild command?
[18:44] <cjwatson> Yes, man sbuild
[18:44] <sergio-br2> like sbuild --debbuildopts "-j4"
[18:44] <sergio-br2> and in the debuild ?
[18:44] <sergio-br2> i'm compiling mame here...
[18:44] <cjwatson> sbuild passes that through to dpkg-buildpackage which sets an environment variable which is what tells dh --parallel what to do
[18:45] <cjwatson> Please read the documentation for your tools - this doesn't take much searching!
[18:45] <sergio-br2> :p
[18:45] <sergio-br2> ok, thanks
[18:45] <cjwatson> And --debbuildopts is for pbuilder, not sbuild, just in case you're using that.  For sbuild it's just -j4.
[18:45] <cjwatson> (Or whatever.)
[18:45] <sergio-br2> but in launchpad farm, it do automatically, right?
[18:45] <cjwatson> Yes.
[18:45] <sergio-br2> ok, great
[18:45] <sergio-br2> thanks
[18:45] <cjwatson> sbuild:                         "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=\"parallel=".$main::nr_processors."\" " : "").
[18:45] <cjwatson> (That's in launchpad-buildd's sbuild fork.)
[18:45] <sergio-br2> ah
[18:46] <cjwatson> I guess the stuff in sbuild-package is more relevant.  Anyway.


[10:25] <rmg51> Morning
[13:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> morning
[13:32] <teddy-dbear> \o


[12:16] <EnolaGay> pochu: Make a new bug report?
[12:16] <pochu> EnolaGay: yep
[12:16] <EnolaGay> :)
[12:22] <acm> Hi, I would like to know what is planned for enabling 3d effects in gutsy? many people in #ubuntu-de have problems to enable them especially ati user.
[12:23] <EnolaGay> pochu: I wonder why apport-gtk doesn't pop up because of this crash. Should I upload the report as an attachment?
[12:24] <EnolaGay> acm: I think it is a driver problem but at least Radeons have an working 3d open source driver afaik.
[12:25] <pochu> EnolaGay: it won't hurt :)
[12:29] <EnolaGay> pochu: finally https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/115681 :)
[12:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115681 in apport "apport-retrace crashes after downloading dbgsyms for a xorg crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:29] <acm> EnolaGay: Yes I agree with that driver problem. But for me the radeon driver doesnt work on my thinkpad. There should be an automated workaround for fglrx driver, because the driver works with xgl. the configuration is more complicated.
[12:30] <EnolaGay> acm: Ask AMD ;) I don't know, I am no dev.
[12:31] <lfittl> acm, automated workaround is not possible, as XGL is a completely different x server that is not supported in Ubuntu
[12:48] <EnolaGay> acm: Btw why a 3D Desktop. It looks not bad but is has no real advantages imho and at the moment some disadvantages like not working vnc and problems with playing movies.
[12:49] <sn0> EnolaGay why not ? :}
[12:49] <sn0> the option is there, you can disable certain functions if you deem them not useful
[12:49] <EnolaGay> And it crashes for me more often.
[12:49] <sn0> having everything rendered by the gpu has its advantages
[12:49] <EnolaGay> sn0: Do you know something about the energy consumption?
[12:49] <sn0> well crashes are common + it is early days yet
[12:50] <sn0> you can compare it to running a 3d game really EnolaGay
[12:50] <pochu> EnolaGay, acm: it's planned: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/composite-by-default
[12:50] <sn0> but i find my card runs cooler with beryl/compiz running than at full peak in a 3d game
[12:50] <EnolaGay> Hm, that wouldn't be good for laptops.
[12:50] <sn0> obviously uses more than no acceleration
[12:51] <sn0> going by intels power tool they released it seems certain apps can cause more power drain/causing the cpu to wake up
[12:51] <sn0> so there is a lot to be done
[12:52] <EnolaGay> sn0: Do you know if the fixes are released in gutsy?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> probably not yet
[12:52] <sn0> the intel tool is a seperate download, not sure about plans for gutsy
[12:52] <Hobbsee> UDS was only a week ago, gutsy hasnt been open terribly long
[12:52] <EnolaGay> sn0: It sounds great but I doubt if it let the laptop run three hours longer.
[12:52] <pochu> EnolaGay: gutsy still have same compiz (0.3.6)
[12:53] <EnolaGay> sn0: I know I mean the fixes of intel and other devs.
[12:53] <sn0> EnolaGay fyi http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php
[12:53] <sn0> that has nothing to do with gpu / composite acceleration mind
[12:54] <EnolaGay> I know. I don't ask for composite it is just if the program and kernel patches of Intel are integrated in Gutsy?
[12:54] <sn0> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/powertop-support :)
[12:54] <EnolaGay> cool
[12:54] <pochu> EnolaGay: sudo apt-get install powertop ;)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> pochu: doesnt seem to be there at all, yet
[12:55] <Hobbsee> sn0: that's not written by a developer
[12:55] <pochu> Hobbsee: it's already been synced, though
[12:55] <Hobbsee> and has no developer input on it
[12:56] <Hobbsee> pochu: exactly.  i'm wondering where it is
[12:56] <EnolaGay> Funny is that one of the biggest energy consumer in Linux versus Windows are the Intel WLAN drivers. They consumes much more than under win. I know that they have a patch for ip2100 and a workaround for 3xxx but there are other cards and I think it is not as good until now.
[12:56] <pochu> Hobbsee: I've installed it from Debian :)
[12:56] <sn0> Hobbsee there is nothing official on it yea, its early days yet
[12:56] <Hobbsee> pochu: what was the package name?  even my madison-lite isnt finding it.
[12:57] <sn0> ahd i see it is paying off, icedove2 for sid is almost here for i386 :]
[12:58] <pochu> Hobbsee: powertop
[12:58] <Hobbsee> pochu: ahhh.  it's failed to build.
[12:58] <bhale> Hobbsee: your madison is busted :)
[12:58] <EnolaGay> Powertop doesn't help until Kernel 2.6.21 afaik
[12:58] <bhale>   powertop |      1.1-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[12:58] <Hobbsee> or si under a different name
[12:59] <Hobbsee> bhale: yeah, found that much.  the binaries are good, though
[12:59] <EnolaGay> ok, gutsy has a 21 kernel
[12:59] <pochu> Hobbsee: it's built fine: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7703469/powertop_1.1-3_i386.deb
[12:59] <Hobbsee> bhale: ah, i'tll be in binary NEW
[12:59] <pochu> no, it's been approved :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> whcih is why my apt-cache isnt finding it.
[12:59] <bhale> Hobbsee: yes ma'am
[12:59] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:59] <Hobbsee> pochu: approved when, and for what?
[01:00] <pochu> powertop. It's not in NEW. cjwatson processed it
[01:00] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:00] <pochu> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powertop/1.1-3
[01:00] <desrt> hello birdies
[01:00] <Hobbsee> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/powertop/
[01:01] <EnolaGay> Ok, thanks for help and good night.
[01:01] <Hobbsee> pochu: i realise that.  but the binaries are not in the archive yet, which makes me think that it's gone thru source NEW, but not binary NEW.  or that soyuz has eaten it.
[01:01] <Hobbsee> unless they've changed procedure
[01:02] <acm> EnolaGay: I think so too, but many other people like to have 3d desktop enabled. maybe only to show their friends that are using windows ;)
[01:02] <bhale> Hobbsee: fyi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[01:02] <pochu> Hobbsee: bug 114417
[01:03] <pochu> I don't know why the binaries aren't in archive.u.c
[01:03] <Hobbsee> bhale: ah, thanks.
[01:03] <bhale> because they are in NEW
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114417 in Ubuntu "Please sync powertop from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114417
[01:03] <bhale> can we please move on or offtopic this?
[01:03] <pochu> bhale: Processed through NEW. For future reference, you don't need to file bugs for syncs of new packages from Debian before the Debian import freeze.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> pochu: there are 2 NEW's.  it's only gone thru the first one.
[01:04] <bhale> pochu: sorry?

[01:04] <desrt> Hobbsee; heh. you wish.

[01:04] <pochu> :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:04] <Kmos> Hobbsee: can you upload from merges ?
[01:04] <bhale> pochu: the only sync bug i filed was for evo-sharp, which had local ubuntu changes and would not have synced.. i falsely believed that it work work, recently added EDS "too new" check and failed.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Kmos: upload *from* merges?
[01:05] <bhale> pochu: not sure what else you are talking about
[01:05] <Kmos> Hobbsee: http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/k3b/
[01:05] <Kmos> k3b v1.0.1 is there
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Kmos: ie, do the merge
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yes i could.
[01:05] <Kmos> Hobbsee: plz do it :)
[01:05] <Kmos> for gutsy.. and it would be nice to see it on feisty backport soon
[01:05] <Hobbsee> however, if you look at the report, you'll see that it's not merged cleanly.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Kmos: why dont you?
[01:06] <pochu> bhale: I was taking about powertop, which was already proccesed trough new. Sorry if you weren't talking about it, it seems I misunderstood you :)
[01:06] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i can't do that.. i'm not a ubuntu member
[01:06] <Hobbsee> you dont need to be
[01:06] <Hobbsee> you'd need to be in core dev to upload anyway
[01:06] <bhale> pochu: ok, maybe i can clear this up for you...
[01:06] <Hobbsee> that's why there are sponsorships
[01:06] <bhale> pochu: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=powertop
[01:06] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i'm not a core-dev too hehe
[01:06] <bhale> pochu: there is NEW for new sources, and NEW for new binary names
[01:07] <bhale> pochu: if you have a brand new source (powertop), it hits both, it is in the later state
[01:07] <bhale> pochu: it is not 'cleared' really
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Kmos: i havent done so, mainly because i didnt touch it last, and i'd need a sponsor - which is often hard to find on a weekend.
[01:08] <pochu> bhale: so it has been processed trough NEW source, but not from NEW binary?
[01:08] <pochu> That makes sense :)
[01:08] <Hobbsee> pochu: exactly
[01:08] <bhale> pochu: yes.
[01:08] <pochu> ok :)
[01:08] <Kmos> Hobbsee: ok.. yeah, weekend it's hard for that
[01:08] <bhale> pochu: for example, the name of evolution-sharp binary has changed, so it is stuck in binary new
[01:08] <pochu> Anyway, the binary is there at launchpad ;)
[01:08] <pochu> bhale: ok :) I think I understand the process now :)
[01:09] <pochu> thanks a lot :-)
[01:09] <bhale> np :)
[01:09] <pochu> Wakeups-from-idle per second :  331.6
[01:10] <pochu> it should be under 3, so I'm 100x :/
[01:10] <pochu> luckily I'm plugged to the AC :)
[01:13] <bhale> weird, my #1 interupt is uhci_hcd (usb)
[01:14] <bhale> nothing usb is plugged in
[01:17] <lathiat_> nothing internally usb, liek bluetooth on laptops, etc?
[01:18] <bhale> hm, bluetooth
[01:18] <bhale> but nothing should be using it
[01:18] <lathiat_> be interesting to see if its that driver causing it
[01:30] <acm> where can I see current state of a blueprint? Do I have to mail the drafter?
[01:31] <pochu> acm: look at the status in the blueprint
[01:31] <pochu> e.g. started, beta available, blocked...
[01:36] <acm> pochu: drafting is the current state. I think there should be something to code, but I dont know which package etc. Btw. Iam new at doing some work to ubuntu and Iam looking for an project to contribute to.
[01:39] <acm> but drafting means there isnt any code yet right?
[01:52] <bhale> lathiat_: it was bluetooth. which is probably sucking its own power besides
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:53] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee
[07:53] <Hobbsee> spam!!!
[07:53] <jsgotangco> gah!
[07:54] <fabbione> OMG she is around!
[07:54] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[08:02] <Hobbsee> fabbione: are you scared yet?
[08:03] <fabbione> Hobbsee: hmmm no
[08:03] <Hobbsee> fabbione: oh.  you should be, 'im sure.
[08:03] <fabbione> :)
[08:04] <fabbione> i am too tired to even be awake
[08:04] <fabbione> nevermind scared
[08:05] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:32] <ajmorris_> how close are we to getting ntlm_auth 3.0.25?
[11:38] <ajmitch> ajmorris_: if you mean the one from samba, real soon (in gutsy)
[11:39] <ajmorris_> ajmitch, kk, cool, i am using gutsy
[12:53] <nuu> morning
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:03] <pitti> hi Hobbsee
[01:03] <Hobbsee> pitti!
[01:07] <nuu> hi Hobbsee, pitti
[01:07] <pitti> hey nuu
[01:07] <Hobbsee> heya nuu
[01:07] <nuu> pitti, you're the hal developer, aren't you :)
[01:08] <pitti> nuu: well, I package it
[01:08] <nuu> ah, great, been looking for you
[01:08] <nuu> i've a doubt concerning hal and policy directories
[01:08] <nuu> do you have a minute ?
[01:10] <pitti> I think so, just ask
[01:11] <nuu> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+question/6836
[01:12] <nuu> in two words, my kubuntu feisty ignores .fdi policies under /etc/hal/fdi/policy, while it picks that policy under /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor
[01:12] <nuu> and i'm trying to understand whether this is by design or not, since it works under /etc/hal/fdi/policy on debian
[01:13] <pitti> nuu: hm, it doesn't evaluate /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi ?
[01:13] <nuu> preferences.fdi is all commented out
[01:13] <pitti> nuu: it's certainly not by design, we don't touch the policy parser in Ubuntu compared to Debian
[01:14] <nuu> incidentally that commented out preferences.fdi is the only file under the whole /etc/hal dir tree
[01:14] <nuu> which made me wonder what the purpose of the dir is, but i know next to nothing about hal's directory structure in the first place
[01:14] <nuu> which in turn led me to confusion, posting that question on launchpad, and bothering you :)
[01:15] <pitti> nuu: it's not used at all in the distro, so noone else checked this so far, I figure
[01:15] <nuu> i see pitti, so theoretically one could merely symlink /etc/hal to /usr/share/hal and problem solved
[01:15] <nuu> because i figure that if ntfs-config uses /etc/hal, who knows who else uses it
[01:16] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[01:16] <pitti> nuu: I closed the answer request with 'please file a bug'
[01:16] <pitti> hi ajmitch
[01:16] <ajmitch> & hi Hobbsee
[01:16] <nuu> alright pitti, thanks for your time
[01:16] <Fujitsu> pitti: Was my rationale for renaming sixpack good enough?
[01:16] <pitti> Fujitsu: yes, it was; thnaks
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: so, exactly what am i supposed to say on the ML?
[01:19] <nuu> pitti: bug filed, thanks for the responsiveness
[01:19] <pitti> nuu: thanks to you
[01:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: knowing that you actually mean to go for core dev would be a start
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: which would of course be helpful if i knew what i had to do to get it.
[01:23] <ajmitch> it would, wouldn't it?
[01:23] <ajmitch> TB meeting is in a couple of days
[01:23] <ajmitch> we'll find out then
[01:23] <macneib> hello everyone.  I just read about Ubuntu on embedded systems.  Is there anywhere i can go to read up on this?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: 6am meetings.  dammit.
[01:26] <pochu> macneib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[01:26] <ajmitch> caffeine is good
[01:26] <bhale> hi
[01:26] <macneib> thanks pochu
[01:26] <ajmitch> hello bhale
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's not that good
[01:26] <pochu> Hobbsee: with your jetlag that shouldn't be a problem ;)
[01:26] <pochu> macneib: np
[01:26] <Hobbsee> pochu: that's going away.  now i'm just plain exhausted all the time
[01:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ah, into the fun part of jetlag
[01:27] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:29] <ajmitch> I wish some of these complaints on the forums could be filed as actual bugs
[01:29] <Hobbsee> fix bugs, dont waste time on the forums.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> far more useful
[01:30] <bhale> i wish i wasnt at the end of a ~600 package NEW queue
[01:30] <Hobbsee> at the end of?
[01:31] <bhale> most recent, not that it is fifo
[01:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I was just doing some merging
[01:31] <Hobbsee> bhale: ohh, right. yes
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: good man.
[01:32] <ajmitch> with a few tricks with debdiff & filterdiff, it's quite easy to patch things into the newer version without MoM
[01:32] <Hobbsee> likely, true
[01:32] <Hobbsee> but MOM makes it easier :P
[01:33] <ajmitch> in many cases, not all
[01:33] <ajmitch> besides, I wanted to review each change for samba separately
[01:33] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:35] <ajmitch> not sure if I should upload it yet, or grab the patches from the 3.0.25 svn branch that are needed
[01:39] <Kmos> ajmitch: http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/k3b/ -> you've time to take a look at k3b v1.0.1 and upload it ?
[01:39] <ajmitch> see the bit about sleeping now :)
[01:39] <Kmos> :(
[01:40] <ajmitch> you prepared a merged package?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Kmos: and the fact that the merge is there in no way means that it's done
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no he hasnt, he's hoping someone will do the merge for him
[01:40] <ajmitch> ah, that's very different
[01:40] <Hobbsee> (we had this discussion this morning)
[01:40] <ajmitch> there are a large number of conflicts there
[01:41] <Kmos> persia has done the diff
[01:45] <ajmitch> night all
[01:45] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[01:47] <Ng>  /win 160
[01:47] <Ng> gah
[01:47] <Spads> that's a *lot* of windows.
[01:48] <pochu> Ng: 160? :)
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Spads: i saw some 3**'s at UDS
[01:48] <Ng> I wait for screen to crash to clean them up ;)
[01:48] <Ng> and that hasn't happened since sometime last year ;)
[01:51] <Spads> huh
[01:51] <Spads> I tend to /wc rather agressively so I can Alt-# and Alt-[qwertyuio]
[01:52] <Spads> but usually I alt-A
[01:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:52] <thom> Spads: i have more _channels_ than that!
[01:52] <Hobbsee> the 3** users were using a lot of /win goto foo
[01:52] <Hobbsee> thom: yes, but you're crazy.
[01:52] <thom> Hobbsee: hrm, this is a definite possibility
[01:52] <thom> but bitlbee doesn't exactly help, either :-)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:53] <bhale> hi thom
[01:53] <thom> hey dude!
[03:05] <Treenaks> so.. does anyone have working battery monitoring support for their bluetooth mice? :)
[03:06] <Treenaks> Apparently, my mouse does report battery state.. but I haven't found a way to retrieve it yet ;)
[04:16] <cy_`> hello
[04:19] <cy_`> which tool does modify the xorg.conf when booting ? :/ nobody in #ubuntu could help me.. sorry for asking in here..
[04:19] <Mithrandir> none
[04:19] <cy_`> thats wierd.
[04:20] <cy_`> because i copied an image of ubuntu installation to a disk, adjustet grub and everything.. and clearly the Driver in the xorg.conf was fglrx .. after a first boot of the system the Driver was changed to vesa :?
[04:22] <Mithrandir> well, there's nothing there which changes it, unless you're booting a live cd.
[04:22] <cy_`> nope.. booting a installed system i copied over using a tar file ..
[04:23] <cy_`> now i changed it back manually, rebooted and it didnt change.
[04:23] <cy_`> ehw, this is strange :?
[04:35] <cy_`> it changes the Xkblayout, the Resolution and the Driver.. does that sound familiar anyhow :/
[04:35] <cy_`> ?
[05:47] <desrt> hello hackers.
[05:47] <bhale> hi desrt
[05:47] <desrt> what's an easy way to find out if my stdout is the linux virtual console driver?
[05:48] <desrt> (and not, for example, a serial console)
[05:48] <Treenaks> desrt: uh.. _why_?
[05:48] <Treenaks> (why isn't isatty() enough? + termcap?)
[05:48] <desrt> i'm thinking about doing some sort of vc-only ioctl and checking if it fails :)
[05:48] <desrt> Treenaks; in the case of serial console we don't know TERM
[05:48] <desrt> (yet)
[05:49] <Treenaks> desrt: uh.. what are you writing?
[05:49] <desrt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/friendly-recovery
[05:49] <Treenaks> desrt: can't you ask HAL?
[05:49] <desrt> from single user mode?  i suspect not.
[05:49] <Treenaks> desrt: if the device has capability: serial it's a serial port :)
[05:49] <Treenaks> desrt: and it's another dependency, which you don't want, I understand
[05:50] <desrt> let me be more specific: i have a fd.  what syscalls and/or libc functionality can i use to determine if it's the linux virtual console driver?
[05:51] <Treenaks> desrt: I think the ioctl thing is your best bet
[05:51] <desrt> how hacky :p
[06:42] <thesaltydog> which is the daemon name for apport?
[07:03] <dsas> thesaltydog: As far as I remember apport isn't a daemon, it's a program called by the kernel when an app crashes
[07:03] <thesaltydog> dsas, ok, so there is nothing running on background in the services list?
[07:04] <dsas> thesaltydog: Not as far as I remember.
[07:04] <thesaltydog> thanks
[07:40] <wereHamster> can I see the output when you folks build the wine package? Or even the config.log file?
[07:42] <wereHamster> I'd like to see how exactly you configure the wine package..
[07:43] <ThunderStruck> were grab the source with apt-get source wine and look in rules file for config options (unless there is a differnet file that holds them for wine
[07:43] <ThunderStruck> wereHamster, ^^^
[07:43] <geser> wereHamster: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7705044/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.wine_0.9.37-0ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz is the log from the last i386 build
[07:43] <wereHamster> I don't run ubuntu, that's the problem ;)
[07:43] <ThunderStruck> unless ofcourse someone has it handy ;)
[07:59] <elpargo> hi I notice http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is down. anyone knows if this was scheduled?
[10:28] <tormod> #ubuntu-ch
[10:33] <phoenix24> tormod: what's the problem ?
[10:35] <tormod> phoenix24: just that it pops up windows and dialogs when I am typing in commands, therefore my little "message" came up as above in this channel!
[10:41] <Nafallo> hi everyone :-)
[10:44] <pochu> hey Nafallo!
[11:01] <calc> doko_: hello