[18:33] <SrRobot> Hi
[18:35] <SrRobot> I need some SSH Help
[18:41] <SrRobot> how do you ssh tunnel?
[20:25] <jstacey> can anyone tell me why my voip doesn't respond to some touch tone automated phone services? it's like the buttons on my phone do nothing when asked to press 1 for this or that
[20:32] <jlamothe> jstacey: Perhaps the compression makes the tones unrecognizable to the system?
[20:40] <jstacey> perhaps
[20:40] <jstacey> thinking maybe it's something in sip.conf for the cisco 7940 phones I'm using
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> jstacey: try recording the tones in audacity on the receiving end to see if the DTFM is preserved
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> sorry, DTMF
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-tone_multi-frequency_signaling
[23:02] <DarwinSurvivor> the wiki page even shows a graph of what it should look like :)
[23:49] <Jaguar> as long as your using G711 as the codec, you can set your ATA or SIP app to send inband DTMF, which usually works well


[06:16]  * snwh is away: Away
[11:34] <mardy> any cmake users here?
[12:49] <AskUbuntu> Large amount of scrollable text in Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/308859


[00:13] <menn0> thumper: I figured out the blobstore thing. Although Juju doesn't use github.com/juju/blobstore any more, charmstore.v5 still does. I've emailed rog about it.
[01:02] <wallyworld> thumper: can you take another look at my PR?
[01:42] <anastasiamac> thumper: u r an OCR \o/ my monday might get better after all :D could u PTAL http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5590/?
[01:44] <thumper> yep
[01:55] <anastasiamac> tyvm!
[02:21] <anastasiamac> thumper: one line dependencies update - http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5591/
[02:22] <thumper> anastasiamac: timestamp is a lie
[02:22] <thumper> anastasiamac: do this:
[02:22] <thumper> godeps ./... | grep "juju/util"
[02:22] <thumper> you can then just copy that line
[02:23] <thumper> veebers: now good?
[02:24] <anastasiamac> thumper: done \o/
[02:24] <thumper> anastasiamac: I used to hand craft those lines until I worked out that trick
[02:25] <anastasiamac> thumper: u r awesome \o/ we should have this in our wiki, I think :D
[02:26] <anastasiamac> thumper: i need to update these licecne on 1.25 branch of juju/utils but no amount of fetching/pull is giving me this branch to creat my own on...
[02:26] <anastasiamac> i suspect my upstrem/origin pair r not correct but can't figure out where m going wrong
[02:26] <anastasiamac> could anyone point me in the right direction?
[02:27] <thumper> anastasiamac: probably not worth fixing IMO
[02:28] <thumper> there are hoops we could jump through if someone thinks it is important enough
[02:28] <thumper> bit kinda icky due to godeps
[02:28] <thumper> I know we were looking at updating godeps to allow it to look at different branches
[02:28] <thumper> but AFAIK, this isn't done yet
[02:29] <anastasiamac> thumper: the thing is i don't think it's too hard.. i think the problem is my setup.. juju/utils does have 1.25 branch which juju 1.25 uses.. my thinking i branch from utils/1.25 to change licence and then do update deps for juju/1.25...
[02:30] <thumper> anastasiamac: well, it kinda is hard because godeps expects the revision to be in the master history
[02:30] <thumper> what you have to do is make a branch from the 1.25 hash
[02:30] <thumper> make the change
[02:30] <thumper> the merge in master
[02:30] <thumper> resolve conflicts
[02:30] <thumper> then propose that to merge into master
[02:31] <thumper> even though it may not change any files
[02:31] <anastasiamac> thumper: is this not  utils for 1.25? https://github.com/juju/utils/tree/1.25
[02:31] <thumper> then you need to update the hash that 1.25 uses to be the non-mainline hash
[02:31] <thumper> that is the tag on master from which 1.25 was released
[02:32] <thumper> well branch
[02:32] <thumper> but you can't specify non-master branch in godeps
[02:32] <thumper> yet
[02:32] <anastasiamac> ah ... k.. i'll mark as won't fix on 1.25 and if it makes someone cry, we'll fix then :D
[02:32] <thumper> it is not impossible
[02:33] <thumper> just difficult at the moment
[02:34] <anastasiamac> of course \o/ but since 1.25 is in critical only, i can downgrade it to High and if there is a burning desire to have it in, then we'll go the painful way...
[02:34] <anastasiamac> m sure there are other licencning inconsistencies in 1.25 deps :D
[02:36] <thumper> anastasiamac: menn0 thinks I'm wrong
[02:36] <thumper> which may well be trye
[02:36] <thumper> true
[02:37] <anastasiamac> thumper: menn0: which part wrong? tracking only master branches in dependencies.tsv?
[02:37] <thumper> to create a branch off the 1.25 branch do this
[02:37] <thumper> git branch update-1.25-foo upstream/1.25
[02:37] <thumper> then checkout
[02:38] <thumper> we were arguing about how git works when fetching revisions
[02:43] <anastasiamac> thumper: menn0: fatal: Not a valid object name: 'upstream/1.25'
[02:44] <anastasiamac> i think my remotes r funny
[02:44] <thumper> anastasiamac: do you have upstream set as the remote?
[02:44] <menn0> anastasiamac: what does "git remote -v" show?
[02:44] <anastasiamac> $ git remote -v
[02:44] <anastasiamac> origin  https://github.com/anastasiamac/utils.git (fetch)
[02:44] <anastasiamac> origin  https://github.com/anastasiamac/utils.git (push)
[02:44] <anastasiamac> upstream        https://github.com/juju/utils (fetch)
[02:44] <anastasiamac> upstream        https://github.com/juju/utils (push)
[02:45] <anastasiamac> menn0: ^^
[02:50] <menn0> anastasiamac: that looks ok
[02:50] <menn0> anastasiamac: what about "git branch -r | grep 1.25" ?
[02:51] <anastasiamac> menn0: and yet it does not work :( must b monday... 'git branch' yields nothing, just returns
[02:52] <menn0> anastasiamac: ok, do a "git fetch" and then try again
[02:52] <anastasiamac> menn0: did and it just returns too
[02:52] <anastasiamac> somehow m not "seeing" 1.25 in my git
[02:52] <anastasiamac> but I can see it against juju/utils on github in browser
[02:53] <anastasiamac> thumper: wallyworld: veebers: is it normal that landing jenkins says "(pending—juju-core-slave is offline)"
[02:54] <wallyworld> nope
[02:55] <thumper> anastasiamac: do you find that git asks for your github password everytime you push?
[02:55] <anastasiamac> yes
[02:55] <thumper> anastasiamac: considered using ssh rather than https?
[02:56] <veebers> anastasiamac: I'll see if I can find out whats happening
[02:56] <thumper> anastasiamac: make sure github has your public key
[02:56] <anastasiamac> i'd consider anything at this stage especially if it'll solve my current trip
[02:56] <wallyworld> eithet that or use a keyring
[02:56] <thumper> then set the remote url
[02:56] <thumper> git remote origin set-url git@github.com:anastasiamac/utils.git
[02:56] <thumper> then no more password requests
[02:57] <thumper> anastasiamac: do `git branch -r`
[02:57] <menn0> anastasiamac: also worth trying "git fetch -v upstream" to find out more about the fetch
[02:58] <anastasiamac> thumper: $ git remote origin set-url git@github.com:anastasiamac/utils.git
[02:58] <anastasiamac> error: Unknown subcommand: origin
[02:58] <thumper> anastasiamac: I got set-url and origin the wrong way around
[02:59] <anastasiamac> menn0: with "git fetch -v upstream" i can se that 1.25 there but it's not being fetched for me :(
[03:00] <veebers> anastasiamac: I've kicked that node back into action
[03:00] <anastasiamac> veebers: awesome
[03:00] <anastasiamac> thumper: menno: finally after setting up ssh, i can checkout 1.25 \o/
[03:00] <anastasiamac> m moving on to creating my branch - THANK YOU :D
[03:03] <menn0> anastasiamac: schweet
[04:04] <menn0> thumper: prechecks wired up inside the InitiateMigration API handler: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5595/
[04:04] <menn0> thumper: so much better from a UX perspective (see QA steps)
[04:04] <thumper> looking
[05:32] <menn0> thumper: just figured out the bug that jam filed a while back where migrations get stuck. it happens when you try to migrate a model back to a controller it's just been migrated from and the migrationmaster is still finishing up there.
[05:33] <menn0> thumper: the cause is subtle but I know how to fix it now.
[07:43] <wallyworld> axw: hey, hope your macaroon stuff is going ok. you probs don't have time today, but if you did get a few minutes free, would love a pretty straightforward review on a change to list-models output http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5594
[07:44] <axw> wallyworld: going ok, but slowly. will take a look
[07:45] <wallyworld> only if you are able
[09:14] <frobware> dimitern: ping - can we sync?
[09:15] <dimitern> frobware: hey, sure, just give me 5m
[09:16] <frobware> dimitern: ok, will be in standup HO
[10:25] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Around?
[10:44] <voidspace> babbageclunk: ping
[10:44] <babbageclunk> voidspace: pong
[11:14] <voidspace> I have a test failure on master
[11:14] <voidspace> state/metrics_test.go:748:
[11:14] <voidspace>     c.Check(metricBatches[0].Unit(), gc.Equals, "metered/0")
[11:21] <babbageclunk> godeps?
[11:21] <babbageclunk> voidspace: ^^
[11:21] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: hey
[11:21] <voidspace> babbageclunk: nope, fully godep'ed up
[11:21] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: hey!
[11:21] <voidspace> babbageclunk: probably a map ordering issue
[11:22] <perrito666> morning all btw
[11:22] <voidspace> perrito666: o/
[11:23] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Replying to your email - maybe worth a hangout if you can? (Sorry, realise it's late for you)
[11:23] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: no worries, give me 5 and i'll ping
[11:23] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: awesome, thanks
[11:29] <voidspace> babbageclunk: yeah, the result has two entries and they're swapped over
[11:29] <voidspace> babbageclunk: so the test is order dependent
[11:29] <babbageclunk> babbageclunk: stink
[11:29] <voidspace> babbageclunk: easy enough to fix, I'll do it in my branch
[11:33] <frobware> dimitern: which HO?
[11:33] <dimitern> frobware: I've realized it's not there so I just added one
[11:33] <dimitern> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/juju-dns-nss
[11:33] <dimitern> jam: ^^
[11:34] <jam> dimitern: brt
[11:36] <perrito666> wow 500M of Res memory is a bit of a heavy footprint
[11:45] <mup> Bug #1613992 changed: 1.25.6 "ERROR juju.worker.uniter.filter filter.go:137 tomb: dying" <landscape> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1613992>
[11:47] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: free now, did you want to hang out?
[11:48] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yes please - how about in core?
[11:48] <wallyworld> sure got a link handy?
[11:49] <wallyworld> i don't have that one visible in my calendar
[11:49] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/core
[12:21] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: ah damn, missed one place - ControllerInstances is called when restoring from backup
[12:21] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: doh
[12:21] <wallyworld> so we'll need that query by tag
[12:21] <wallyworld> damn
[12:21] <babbageclunk> Oh well
[12:21] <wallyworld> so close
[12:22] <babbageclunk> But it's still only query by one tag for now, right? I don't need to do multiple calls and then intersect them together?
[12:22]  * perrito666 hears backup and peeks in
[12:52] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Oh no, I do - the machines in the controller model are not all necessarily controllers.
[12:53] <wallyworld> correct
[12:53] <wallyworld> iscontroller=true && controller-uuid=blah
[13:46] <frobware> dimitern: I pushed an update for bridging all interfaces - https://github.com/frobware/juju/tree/master-bridge-all-interfaces
[13:46] <dimitern> frobware: ok, looking
[13:47] <frobware> dimitern: that's just the unit test cases updated (and the bridge script updated). Was going to try some genuine deployments next.
[13:47] <dimitern> frobware: at first glance looks like it does what we need
[14:03] <frobware> voidspace: standup?
[14:03] <voidspace> frobware: oh yeah, thanks
[14:48] <dimitern> frobware, voidspace, babbageclunk: can you please have a look at this tiny PR: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5597/
[14:56] <babbageclunk> dimitern: LGTM!
[14:58] <dimitern> babbageclunk: thanks!
[14:58] <dimitern> frobware: I'll land this unless you have comments I guess?
[14:58] <frobware> dimitern: was just looking at it
[14:59] <dimitern> frobware: ok, no rush then
[15:05] <frobware> dimitern: do you know if the sysfs paths are consistent across kernel versions?
[15:06] <dimitern> frobware: as far as I can see - yes, tested on trusty, xenial, and centos 7
[15:08] <frobware> dimitern: I wonder why "brif" is not listed in here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-net
[15:11] <dimitern> frobware: not sure, but I've seen lots of examples using brif
[15:13] <frobware> dimitern: OK I see this in if_bridge.h - #define SYSFS_BRIDGE_PORT_SUBDIR "brif"
[15:13] <dimitern> frobware: also this - https://books.google.bg/books?id=ALapr7CvAKkC&pg=PT420&lpg=PT420&dq=sys+class+net+bridge+brif&source=bl&ots=gVdzaVkYPv&sig=PVTMP6WszdmaCcAj4v6hNmYY67c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje3OPnwfjOAhUDWxQKHVJqBBYQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=sys%20class%20net%20bridge%20brif&f=false
[15:13] <frobware> dimitern: I'll believe the header file :)
[15:16] <frobware> dimitern: LGTM
[15:16] <dimitern> frobware: :) thanks!
[15:18] <frobware> dimitern: stepping out for early dinner (read no breakfast and no lunch)...
[15:19] <dimitern> frobware: enjoy!
[15:19] <frobware> dimitern: neither were intentional, just the way the day planned out
[16:23] <dimitern> frobware: you've got a review on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6156 btw
[16:37] <frobware> dimitern: thanks
[16:37] <dimitern> frobware: I'm about to propose the next step - decided to split networkingcommon changes in 2 PRs for easier review
[16:37] <frobware> dimitern: doh! :)
[16:55] <dimitern> frobware: here's the next step: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5598/
[16:55] <dimitern> I don't expect you to review it tonight :) just FYI
[22:58] <axw> wallyworld: sorry I was a bit rushed in my review yesterday. I'll try again later.
[22:58] <axw> wallyworld: it would be helpful if there were a definition for the access levels for models somewhere. we don't have that do we?
[23:06] <wallyworld> axw: there's a doc, let me find it, but it is a bit vague tbh
[23:16] <menn0> thumper: standup?
[23:16] <thumper> coming
[23:42] <anastasiamac_> thumper: have u made the decision about Jesse's MADE PRs?
[23:45] <thumper> no
[23:45] <thumper> I'm waiting until after 2.0 to look
[23:45] <thumper> no time right now
[23:45] <thumper> also
[23:45]  * thumper weeps at apiserver/params importing mongo
[23:46]  * thumper looks at perrito666
[23:47] <thumper> UpgradeMongoParams
[23:47] <thumper> apiserver/params shouldn't import external packages
[23:47] <thumper> especially not for arg structures
[23:47] <thumper> I'
[23:47] <thumper> I'll fix it in my branch
[23:47] <thumper> because I have introduced the cycle


[08:28] <buz> i think there's some TOP of the line editing stuff for linux
[08:29] <buz> but that's in the 5 digit range
[08:29] <buz> it would have to be considering most stuff used to run on the big unices back in the days
[08:29] <buz> but it doesnt matter to me
[08:30] <buz> i'm totally untalented wrt to graphics
[08:30] <pussfeller> i dont know, mplayer/xine beat wmp hands down
[08:31] <pussfeller> multimedia playback, we rock, generation/encoding, we are lagging way behind
[08:31] <buz> encoding is not a real problem
[08:31] <buz> playing WMV and Real streams is kinda painful at times
[08:32] <pussfeller> you have to jump thru all sorts of hoops to get subtitles in windows
[08:32] <buz> na
[08:32] <buz> you can just use vlc like on linux ;)
[08:32] <pussfeller> yep, they wont render unless you have overlays or something i
[08:33] <pussfeller> the problem in wmv and real isnt our fault, its proprientary stuff thats the probem
[08:33] <pussfeller> and also most sites use active x controls to launch a media player
[08:34] <pussfeller> theres nothing good on wmv anyways
[08:34] <pussfeller> or real
[08:35] <pussfeller> all rips of anything worth watching are divx5 or xvid
[08:36] <pussfeller> we lag in easy to use encoding tools
[08:36] <kkathman> howdy pussfeller  :)
[08:37] <pussfeller> hey kkathman
[08:43] <kkathman> be back in a bit...gotta run to the airport
[08:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > hey anyone wanna help me test a game to figure out the problems in cedega?
[09:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > are there any other creatures you can get for amor?
[10:20] <phxguy> can someone help with superkaramba
[10:21] <msb> what about it?
[10:21] <phxguy> for some reason when I have the LWP Theme running my console opens to the lwp directory instead of the normal $home directory
[10:38] <kkathman> hey all
[10:40] <slicnotslak> i want to install openoffice2, but kynaptic won't let me install it.  i suspect because oo.org1.* is installed, but i can't uninstalling that w/o uninstalling kubuntu-desktop.  any advice?
[10:41] <Kisain> OMG!!!! my computer crashed 0_o
[10:49] <DoctorFlange> come to think of it, kubuntu's never crashed on me
[10:49] <DoctorFlange> win ME used to crash so easily
[10:56] <slicnotslak> linux has crashed on me every now and then.  these have always been caused by either hardware failure or doing wierd stuff in xfree86.
[10:58] <hunger> slicnotslak: I think xfree does count as hardware... :-)
[11:00] <DoctorFlange> win ME used to BSOD right after booting
[11:09] <narg> kubuntu stores kde headers in a wierd place, right?
[11:16] <anang> hello ?
[11:17] <anang> need some info on acpi on Ubuntu
[11:17] <anang> will anybondy here help ?
[11:20] <pussfeller> I'll help
[11:20] <pussfeller> !
[11:44] <Trackilizer> i need your help guys
[11:45] <Trackilizer> i read the guide at ubuntuguide.org
[11:45] <Trackilizer> even though i can now listen to mp3s and watch movies
[11:46] <Trackilizer> i cant seem to be able to install java
[11:46] <Trackilizer> or Azereus
[11:46] <Trackilizer> amule was really to install
[11:46] <Trackilizer> but just cant seem to install Java
[11:47] <Trackilizer> any advice
[11:47] <Trackilizer> ?
[11:47] <gdh> cry?
[11:48] <Trackilizer> cry?
[11:48] <Trackilizer> dont get you
[11:49] <sarom> Anyone here experienced problems with their Audigy 2 sound card?
[11:49] <Trackilizer> so no one can help
[11:49] <Trackilizer> ?
[11:49] <smouche> internal or external card, sarom?
[11:49] <sarom> internal
[11:50] <smouche> no, sarom, sorry - I only have experience (miserable) with an external audigy.
[11:50] <pv> For java, have you tried these instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:50] <sarom> too many audigy problems
[11:51] <sarom> My problem is that I can hear my voice through the mic, but I can't record.
[11:52] <Blissex> sarom: capture and loopback are different states in ALSA.
[11:53] <foodcoman> sarom: Sounds like kareokee!
[11:53] <sarom> Blissex, ahh, ok... hehehe, yeah
[11:53] <foodcoman> =)
[11:54] <sarom> I get this error when I try to record using Sound Recorder:
[11:54] <sarom> "ALSA device "default" had an error"
[11:54] <Blissex> sarom: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html (the introduction bit perhaps) Also ask in #ALSA
[11:54] <Trackilizer> i cant seem to be able to fill my whole screen
[11:54] <Trackilizer> tried all res
[11:55] <Blissex> sarom: perhaps your '/etc/asound.conf' defines 'default' to be a playback only device.
[11:55] <sarom> Blissex, yeah, I've seen that page, and also the alsa wiki page.. but nothing there could help me... the people at #alsa aren't answering
[11:55] <sarom> Blissex, let me open up that file.. just a sec
[11:56] <Blissex> sarom: or it could be '~/.asoundrc'
[11:56] <sarom> Blissex, I added "card 0" in the default settings
[11:56] <sarom> how can I restart the sound?
[11:57] <sarom> so it could take effect
[11:57] <Blissex> sarom: no need to.
[11:57] <Blissex> sarom: just restart the app.
[11:57] <sarom> hoky doky
[11:57] <sarom> just a sec
[11:57] <sarom> nope, it didn't work, I got the same error message
[11:57] <Blissex> sarom: I suspect you need to read a lot more about '/etc/asound.conf'/'~/.asoundrc'  syntax :-)
[11:58] <sarom> yeah I need to
[11:58] <sarom> where can I find that info? if you don't know, there is always google ;)
[11:58] <Blissex> sarom: try to see if you can record giving explicitly this device: 'hw:0,0' to the recording application.
[11:58] <foodcoman> I can sit here for hours reading new stuff from Pro's like Blissex!
[11:58] <Blissex> sarom:  http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html has a section with pointers.
[11:58] <foodcoman> I Learn more watching than asking it seems.  Thanks people!


[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <Noskcaj> dholbach, Any chance you could sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/clutter-1.0/1.16.4/+merge/207778 ?
[07:11] <Noskcaj> woops, should have said that in -devel
[07:15] <dholbach> Noskcaj, I'm a bit busy right now - can you try asking in -devel?
[07:15] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:16] <dholbach> thanks
[08:17] <phanimahesh> Hey!
[08:17] <phanimahesh> I'm trying to debug a FTBFS issue.
[08:17] <phanimahesh> and I'm stuck.
[08:17] <phanimahesh> Anyone has a few minutes to spare?
[08:23] <Noskcaj> phanimahesh, yeah, sure
[08:24] <phanimahesh> Noskcaj: Thanks. :)
[08:24] <Noskcaj> what's the issue
[08:24] <phanimahesh> I'm the developer of unity-tweak-tool
[08:24] <phanimahesh> and we have a FTBFS only on trusty.
[08:25] <phanimahesh> attempting to fix it somehow screwed up the build on all platforms, and I have reverted my "fixes"
[08:25] <phanimahesh> allow me to fetch a failed log for you
[08:25] <Noskcaj> ty
[08:26] <phanimahesh> https://launchpad.net/~freyja-dev/+archive/unity-tweak-tool-daily/+build/5627836/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.unity-tweak-tool_0.0.7-0%7E180%7Eubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:26] <phanimahesh> That is the most recent attempt.
[08:26] <phanimahesh> https://github.com/freyja-dev/unity-tweak-tool/blob/master/debian/rules
[08:27] <phanimahesh> And that is our debian/rules file
[08:27] <phanimahesh> The issue appears to be that the build system is trying to reference a non existant python version.
[08:29] <Noskcaj> ubuntu currently build python3.4 and 3.3 i think
[08:29] <phanimahesh> The logs show that python 3.3 is not found.
[08:30] <phanimahesh> the build happened with python 3.4, and then somewhere in there, it tried to reference python 3.3
[08:30] <phanimahesh> If I try removing the line
[08:30] <phanimahesh> for python in $(shell py3versions -r); do
[08:30] <phanimahesh> to not try all versions,
[08:31] <Noskcaj> Could you try building with the rules files at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6985889/
[08:31] <phanimahesh> then only the man page is getting bundled.
[08:31] <phanimahesh> Sure, I'll queue up a build now.
[08:32] <phanimahesh> sorry, i'm on a low bandwidth network and can not run a local pbuilder.
[08:32] <phanimahesh> I'm pushing it to my playground ppa right now.
[08:37] <Noskcaj> Since this is a python transition issue, maybe contact #ubuntu-devel or check the unity-tweak-tool ubuntu package (if there is one_
[08:37] <phanimahesh> debuild -S itself fails with your debian/rules
[08:38] <Noskcaj> error message plz
[08:38] <phanimahesh> well, the package is there in the repos, and I am its developer.
[08:38] <phanimahesh> dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2
[08:39] <phanimahesh> Noskcaj: ^
[08:43] <Noskcaj> that means something broke further up
[08:43] <Noskcaj> Could you paste the build log


[19:24] <cub> OvenWerks or zequence online?
[19:26] <cub> for the FreeDesktop review I'm a bit uncertain about the instruction:
[19:26] <cub> Install the package that the desktop file belongs to, if needed, in order to learn what the application that you start with the desktop file is used for. Make sure you are starting the correct desktop file by investigating the contents of /usr/share/applications/<name>.desktop, if needed.
[19:27] <cub> If I have the application installed, that should be equivalent to "install the package"?
[19:27] <cub> Then, how do I make sure I'm starting the right .desktop file?
[19:32] <cub> Also, does it matter which US version or application version I'm running? In 14.04 I have kdenlive 0.9.6, but perhaps I should do the review running 15.04/15.10 to get kdenlive 0.9.10?
[19:40] <cub> And lastly, what is our policy on using "Audio or Video or AudioVideo"? Is AudioVideo enough or should we combine them?


[04:05] <ailo> ScottL: about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows, I suppose this is meant to be a sort of documentation project? How should it be implemented?
[04:07] <holstein> the idea is to learn how people use the tools
[04:07] <holstein> maybe fashion some meta-packages
[04:07] <holstein> like sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-podcasting
[04:07] <holstein> and get a certain set of tools ready to rock-n-roll
[04:10] <ailo> I'm thinking there could be a very simple wizard for new users with links to documentation.
[04:10] <holstein> i keep thinking that too
[04:10] <holstein> but, its challenging
[04:10] <holstein> just getting JACK running can be a real drag
[04:11] <holstein> ailo: remember that guy last nite
[04:11] <holstein> i had to totally re-learn how ive been setting up my firewire device for the past 3 or 4 releases
[04:11] <holstein> and he *still* didnt get it running
[04:12] <holstein> it would have to be a dynamic wizard
[04:12] <holstein> with lots of sections
[04:12] <holstein> ailo: im into entertaining that idea though
[04:12] <holstein> i was thinking about doing some screenshots on my webserver
[04:12] <holstein> for what happened last nite
[04:13] <holstein> how to get the kernel you need
[04:13] <holstein> etc
[04:13] <holstein> ailo: were you thinking something fancier than a wiki?
[04:14] <ailo> Well, the fundamental things should of course work first, if possible, but there will always be problems.
[04:15] <ailo> A wizard could be anything from a 3 step guide to a program that collects data from your system to adjust your installation.
[04:16] <holstein> ailo: i would like to see something like that in the installer
[04:16] <holstein> OR on the desktop after install
[04:16] <holstein> ailo: have you installed KXstudio?
[04:16] <ailo> not yet
[04:17] <holstein> lots of slick prompts
[04:17] <holstein> kernels and extra packages
[04:17] <holstein> ailo: when you add the user to groups
[04:17] <holstein> that has a page
[04:18] <holstein> with radio buttons
[04:18] <holstein> or check boxes
[04:18] <holstein> themed really nice
[04:19] <holstein> something like that after the install
[04:19] <ailo> I always felt that adding oneself to groups was a kind of bug. Should happen automatically, I think.
[04:19] <holstein> you click and get a little set-up wizard
[04:19] <holstein> ailo: i was thinking about filing a few bugs
[04:19] <holstein> maybe i'll drop them here
[04:19] <holstein> and you can glom on
[04:20] <holstein> if you file a bug for the adduser thing
[04:20] <holstein> i'll add myself :)
[04:20] <ailo> You mean to the Ubuntu people? Isn't this specific for US?
[04:21] <holstein> well, we're on the same repos
[04:21] <ailo> Or audio distros.
[04:21] <holstein> i think we get a category on LP right?
[04:21] <holstein> maybe not
[04:23] <ailo> I guess if it doesn't hurt them, it could be worth a shot, but considering how RT is maybe about to change, maybe that wont matter soon
[04:24] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892
[04:25] <ScottL> ailo, originally i was concerned because ubuntu studio didn't see cohesive, a lot of the apps just seemed included "just because"
[04:25] <holstein> not sure how to change that to 'wishlist'
[04:25] <ScottL> ailo,  they didn't seem to support anything in particular, other than to include a neat app
[04:25] <ScottL> ailo, so to "justify" an app's inclusion we needed to identify it's need
[04:26] <ailo> of course :)
[04:26] <ScottL> ailo, therefore, if a viable workflow could be developed that would demonstrate it's worthiness we keep it :)
[04:26] <ScottL> ailo, but also, the workflows provide framework for documentation and testing
[04:27] <ailo> Who is hands on with the US iso? A live CD seems like a better choice for a number of reasons.
[04:27] <ScottL> holstein, it's marked as "wishlist" now ;)
[04:27] <ScottL> ailo, supposedly falktx was working on a livedvd for ubuntu studio but i haven't seen it yet, i hope to though
[04:28] <holstein> ScottL: where is that ?
[04:28] <holstein> wishlist
[04:28] <ailo> I would rather see a cd, or both, since burning DVD's can be a challenge. Memory sticks is fine, CD are fine.
[04:28] <ScottL> holstein, your bug is now marked as wishlist
[04:30] <ScottL> if ubuntu studio continues i think a community supported stripped-down liveCD would be an awesome "calling card" or hardware test (as holstein suggested)
[04:30] <ScottL> i mean, people give cd's away but dvd's are still kinda pricey
[04:31] <ailo> Main reason why I stopped using Ubuntustudio DVD was because none of the recorders at my disposal were able to do it right. Installing would mostly fail, while retrieving some small file.
[04:31] <ScottL> holstein, on your bug, to the right of assignee, do you see the "importance" heading?  do you see a yellow circle below it?
[04:32] <ScottL> errr.left...to the left of the assignee
[04:33] <holstein> how about
[04:33] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893
[04:35] <ScottL> holstein, do you want me to change that one to wishlist as well?
[04:35] <holstein> ScottL: not sure
[04:35] <holstein> i mean
[04:35] <holstein> its a bug right?
[04:35] <holstein> you can though
[04:35] <holstein> nothing can be done about it now
[04:35] <holstein> ACTUALLY
[04:36] <holstein> let me try to change it to wishlist
[04:36] <holstein> i still dont see it ;)
[04:37] <ailo> A live DVD is mostly nice on a usb, stick. Particularly if you can install programs on the USB like you can on Puredyne.
[04:37] <ailo> Meaning, on Puredyne you can install programs, add users
[04:38] <ailo> But not all systems support booting from USB
[04:38] <ailo> If burning a DVD fails, you need a CD
[04:38] <ScottL> how does puredyne keep from trashing the usb stick with so many writes?
[04:39] <holstein> maybe it just trashes it ;)
[04:39] <holstein> ScottL: d00d
[04:39] <holstein> im blind
[04:39] <holstein> i cant find the right yellow circle
[04:40] <ScottL> i remember falktx saying something about not writing to the usb until you unmount the stick, everything else is kept in memory until then
[04:40] <ScottL> but he wasn't necessarily talking about puredyne i think
[04:40] <ScottL> holstein, it's probably a permission thing in luanchpad, i can see it because i'm in ubuntustudio-dev probably
[04:41] <ailo> I don't really know anything other than that they use Debian-live and a specific script to create the live usb.
[04:41] <ailo> It works great, though.
[04:41] <holstein> ScottL: OH
[04:41] <holstein> thats the deal
[04:41] <ailo> Two partitions, live-image + writeable
[04:43] <ailo> Anyway, from my point of view, CD format is still the best, since it excludes all sorts of problems.
[04:44] <holstein> you can always unetbootin the image
[04:45] <ailo> But only if it's "live-able" right?
[04:45] <holstein> i know installing doesnt work from the alternates
[04:45] <holstein> with unetbootin
[04:45] <holstein> like with ubuntustudio's installer
[04:45] <holstein> and ubuntuserver
[04:49] <ailo> I'm still wondering why bios'es aren't adapted to install stuff directly from the internet.
[04:50] <holstein> i should be able to flash my bios
[04:50] <holstein> and get that
[04:51] <holstein> with some tricky embedded linux
[04:51] <holstein> i guess we could if things were more open
[04:52] <ailo> Have you guys ever discussed longer release cycles?
[04:56] <ailo> holstein: how did you get your firewire working yesterday? Was it on 10.04?
[04:57] <holstein> ailo: its been cool on 10.04
[04:57] <holstein> i got it working in 10.10
[04:57] <ailo> If I haven't misunderstood, the guy yesterday was on 10.10
[04:57] <ailo> ok
[04:57] <holstein> using that kernel
[04:57] <holstein> from 11.04
[04:57] <ailo> But with dependency problems?
[04:57] <holstein> or abogani's PPA for 11.04
[04:57] <holstein> ailo: i dont think so
[04:57] <holstein> there's 3 packages
[04:57] <holstein> one of them didnt isntall
[04:57] <holstein> you dont need all three though right?
[04:58] <holstein> it worked
[05:02] <ailo> In many ways I consider Ubuntustudio a sort of central point for debian based Linux Audio. Lately there have appeared several new Ubuntu based distros. Why are we not working together? It't the same base after all.
[05:03] <holstein> i think falk is trying to do that
[05:03] <holstein> help instead of compete
[05:03] <holstein> dont know about the others
[05:03] <holstein> lots of different ideas and focus though
[05:04] <holstein> really doesnt take much to get a fork going on
[05:04] <ScottL> ailo, that is a very profound (and heavily considered) aspect of ubuntu studio
[05:04] <ScottL> i meant, in respect that others are based on ubuntu studio
[05:04] <ScottL> what would they do if ubuntu studio stopped existing?
[05:05] <ailo> exactly
[05:06] <ailo> Certain things are problematic for some people: Desktop, Pulseaudio...
[05:06] <ailo> But the base issues are still the same
[05:06] <ScottL> holstein, tomorrow i will send an email to quadrispro about helping with some items for ubuntu studio that need to be done, that's the start of what we talked about earlier
[05:06] <ScottL> ailo, unless pulse audio is ripped out, then i do not think too much can be done within ubuntu to improve it dramatically
[05:07] <ScottL> meaning that most substantive improvements will most likely come from upstream of ubuntu
[05:07] <ScottL> be it debian or lennar
[05:07] <ScottL> lennart
[05:07] <ScottL> most likely lennart though (when he's not dorking with systemd)
[05:08] <ScottL> i just bought "Guerrilla Home Recording: How to Get Great Sound from Any Studio (No Matter How Weird and Cheap Your Gear Is)"
[05:08] <ailo> Pulseaudio doesn't need to be a consern in my mind for collaboration. Other distros can have it without Pulseaudio, but still share pretty much everything else.
[05:08] <ScottL> i'm hoping this will improve my knowledge and results with recording
[05:09] <ScottL> i'm going to bed, goodnight all :)
[05:10] <ailo> gn
[05:12] <holstein> ScottL: GN