[00:07] <nshire> blue1, what is the drive formatted as?
[00:07] <nshire> *the installer drive
[00:08] <nshire> initially I had my installer on a ntfs formatted drive and I think I was getting similar issues. Make sure its fat32
[00:18] <ChinnoDog> blue1: It would be helpful to know how you laid out your disk since you are dual booting.
[00:35] <raub> Does anyone use ubuntu in macbooks? I am having the issues with palm rejection.
[00:36] <raub> I was playing with xinput (from https://askubuntu.com/questions/931761/how-to-fix-palm-rejection-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts#938564) and did not see something as the trackpad itself (https://paste.centos.org/view/df2f14d9)
[00:43] <Phaellow> Hey guys, I have sort of a weird question for you. I want to install Ubuntu on a USB stick, but I'm having a bit of trouble booting from whatever I install. I have tried doing it first from a VM because I'm running Windows, but then I installed from a live boot running in another USB drive, and it still doesn't boot :(  Any clues as to where I migh
[00:43] <Phaellow> t look why? I've followed the guide here (https://askubuntu.com/a/54388) and I'm pretty sure it's because it didn't install as UEFI, but I'm not sure how I can even change that during the installation, seeing that I am installing from a drive booted in UEFI with GPT
[01:07] <UBuxuBU> reinstall grub
[01:07] <UBuxuBU> reinstall grub
[01:20] <chris349> I am installing Ubuntu on a new PC and it asks me to pick a secure boot *if I want to install hardware drivers* I dont understand that. Can I delete this password later?
[01:27] <BunBun> Hey Guys,, Im running 16.04.   I heard that it has Python 3.5 in it, but when I launch python from the command line it shows..  2.7.12.    How to activate 3.5 ??????????/
[01:28] <guiverc> chris349, this may help (https://askubuntu.com/questions/755238/why-disabling-secure-boot-is-enforced-policy-when-installing-3rd-party-modules) - refer to last comments (re-enable after having turned off) & answer; this is the wiki on it, as I just disable uefi I've never explored with it on so can't provide more
[01:29] <guiverc> BunBun, python 2.7 is default; use `python3 --version` to see your version of python3  (pip is for python2 or default, pip3 for python3-pip etc)
[01:29] <BunBun> $ python3 --version
[01:29] <BunBun> Python 3.5.2
[01:30] <guiverc> you have python 3.5.2 :)   access it via python3..
[01:32] <BunBun> Thanks...
[02:09] <chris349> Is this a sure sign that the CPU throttling itself to control for temperature: censors reports the cpu is at 90 C, and lscpu reports CPU MHz is 3200, but the CPU is rated for 3600mhz / 4200 mhz turbo
[02:19] <blue1> I am doing a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04 and it complained that it couldn't find the EFI-directory.  The system legacy boots -- there is no EFI.  I tried boot-fix, to no avail.  Suggestions?
[02:29] <cnnx> I like gentoo caue it lets me compile the kernel how I want with make menuconfig, is this possible with ubuntu?
[02:43] <BunBun> Hey guys....   anyone know how to upgrade PIP.    im getting the following error when compiling...
[02:43] <BunBun> You are using pip version 8.1.1, however version 18.1 is available.
[02:43] <BunBun> You should consider upgrading via the 'pip install --upgrade pip' command.
[02:50] <dhs227> what is the default filesystem for 18.10? how do I change my fs type after default installation is complete?
[03:00] <blue1> BunBun: it seems to be saying that a later version of that programme is available.  Have you tried:  sudo apt update and then sudo apt dist-upgrade to see if that resolves the issue?
[03:02] <BunBun> thx ble will try
[03:03] <blue1> dhs227: it depends on how it was installed.  you can do a:  cat /etc/fstab and it will show you what file systems are being used for what partitions
[03:09] <guiverc> dhs227, also `sudo parted -l` can be useful to see fs, xfs common for encrypted, ext4 if not encrypted...  changing fs generally requires reformat (mkfs) thus backup/restore of data so better to do before/during install
[03:24] <dhs227> thanks blue1 guiverc
[05:07] <aro> is there a way to get the status of pon
[05:08] <explodes> upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 - hope this doesn't break everything like 14.04 -> 16.04 :]]]
[05:11] <Bashing-om> explodes: Did you follow procedure ?
[05:11] <explodes> yes
[05:11] <Bashing-om> !upgrade | explodes
[05:13] <explodes> it more of a destruction of my installed packages and dev tools that have either collected dust and I no longer needed anyway because they were one off toys, or something bad just happened to happen
[05:14] <explodes> i've only been on this image for a year, i have my backups, -- hopefully it does fail to force me to start fresh again
[05:15] <Bashing-om> explodes: ways to protect that too, see "debfoster" .
[05:16] <explodes> mmm that looks toasty
[05:18] <Bashing-om> explodes: :) 'buntu it's linux .. nothing new under the sun. Some one has been there and done that .
[05:21] <explodes> damn
[05:21] <explodes> debfoster looks like its worth running every month or two
[05:21] <explodes> i love it
[05:22] <explodes> If I mark a package as "keep" - that means that it won't ask about it again, yes?
[05:23] <Bashing-om> explodes: I am not that familiar with debfoster :(
[05:23] <explodes> no worries
[05:33] <explodes> which version of gcc comes with 18.04 - or is there a better way to tell
[05:33] <explodes> nvm google search pulls up 7.3.0
[05:36] <Bashing-om> !info gcc bionic | explodes
[06:13] <explodes> this upgrade has stopped halfway through
[06:13] <explodes> Its been hung up on Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-33-generic (4.15.0-33.36) ...
[06:13] <explodes> for about 15 minutes now
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> explodes: kernel .38 is out your far away behind
[06:19] <explodes> FUCK
[06:19] <explodes> distro upgrade stopped halfway through
[06:19] <explodes> i killed it hoping i could restart it but obviously i cannot
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> explodes: always try to avoid killing an upgrade
[06:20] <explodes> it was hung-up. I had no choice
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> explodes: are you still on desktop?
[06:20] <explodes> yes
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> explodes: try to restart the upgrade
[06:21] <explodes> i'm somewhere in limbo between 16.04 and 18.04
[06:21] <explodes> do-release-upgrade: "No new release found."
[06:21] <explodes> apt update && upgrade?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> explodes: unless system is 18.04 already?
[06:23] <explodes> system is reporting 18.04 but it was only about 50% through do-release-upgrade.
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> explodes: ok try sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade then
[06:23] <Bashing-om> explodes: bionic in the sources : ' -c cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ' .
[06:27] <explodes> i caught the stalled dpkg --configure, killed it an am re-running it
[06:27] <explodes> then i'll do a full-upgrade thereafter
[06:27] <explodes> nvm. dpkg re-run failed. doing full-upgrade
[06:28] <explodes> lol damn, I'm going to have to reimage for sure
[06:28] <explodes>  this is not safe
[06:30] <explodes> its hanging on "Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-34-generic (4.15.0-34.37)" again
[06:30] <explodes> maybe i just need to wait 30 minutes this time
[06:31] <ConsoleFx> Hi All
[06:32] <lotus|NUC> hey ConsoleFx
[06:34] <ConsoleFx> I am trying to create a multiboot USB drive which contains Win7 and Ubuntu18 Bootable files. Now to test the USB, while booting I tested both OSes and they are booting pretty well. But for Ubuntu, I am getting an additional option to boot from UEFI mode, and I want to remove that since my Win7 was installed without UEFI mode.
[06:35] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: not sure that will work
[06:35] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: there is multisystem to create several linux distro's on 1 usb
[06:35] <ConsoleFx> As a workaround I could see in Ubuntu folder there is a file called efi.img, if I remove that file manually, would that solve this problem? Following is the file that I am talking about: F:\multiboot\ubuntu18.04-desktop-amd64\boot\grub\efi.img
[06:35] <Triffid_Hunter> ConsoleFx: I have a dualboot usb with win/linux and EFI, except windows setup always complains that it needs a driver but won't tell me what driver it wants
[06:35] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: but like w8 & w10 we reccomend woeusb
[06:36] <ConsoleFx> lotus|NUC, multisystem would create Windows and Ubuntu as well? or its suitable only for having linux bases OSes?
[06:37] <ConsoleFx> as long as if there any tool which could create non-UEFI based installers, it would do the trick for me
[06:37] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: not sure, didnt test win on multisystem myself, but positive for linux distro's
[06:37] <lotus|NUC> Triffid_Hunter: how did you create your stick?
[06:38] <ConsoleFx> I used YUMI tool (in Windows) to create 2 OS menus
[06:38] <ConsoleFx> lotus|NUC,
[06:38] <Triffid_Hunter> lotus|NUC: dumped a Mint iso onto it, then added a partition for windows, put windows stuff in there and merged its EFI into the one Mint put
[06:39] <lotus|NUC> Triffid_Hunter: so you actually made 2 partitions on 1 usb?
[06:39] <Triffid_Hunter> fiddle grub.conf a bit and voila!
[06:39] <ConsoleFx> you can add mutliple OSes there irrespective whethere they are windows/linux. but the only issue is, it created UEFI based installers :(
[06:39] <ConsoleFx> and that part is killing me
[06:39] <Triffid_Hunter> lotus|NUC: four actually, I added a fourth one (fat32) for transferring random files around
[06:39] <lotus|NUC> Triffid_Hunter: aha great feedback
[06:39] <Triffid_Hunter> ConsoleFx: what's wrong with EFI?
[06:40] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: yeah, whats your endgoal exactly?
[06:40] <lotus|NUC> explodes: are you upgrading over wifi or cable?
[06:40] <ConsoleFx> my Win7 instance was installed in Non-UEFI mode. Thus I want to install ubuntu in non-uefi mode as well
[06:41] <ConsoleFx> and while I boot my pen drive, for ubuntu it asks me to boot ubuntu using UEFI mode :P
[06:41] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: change efi/uefi settings from bios itself?
[06:41] <Triffid_Hunter> ConsoleFx: if your usb boots with efi, you can still install onto a non-efi disk
[06:41] <ConsoleFx> lotus|NUC, would that work? basically you are telling me to disable Secure Boot option. right?
[06:41] <ConsoleFx> Triffid_Hunter, how?
[06:42] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: yes, for singleboot or dualboot you need to change your settings within bios
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> ConsoleFx: no idea, haven't touched an ubuntu installer for a long time.. just know that there's no technical limitation on doing so, and the existing layout of the drive may force it
[06:42] <lotus|NUC> !uefi | ConsoleFx start here
[06:43] <ConsoleFx> lotus|NUC, okay!
[06:43] <ConsoleFx> btw just curious is there any command which would tell me whats the boot mode for the installed Ubuntu copy?
[06:44] <ConsoleFx> like in windows msinfo32 tells your boot mode
[06:44] <ConsoleFx> something like that in ubuntu per se?
[06:45] <Triffid_Hunter> "a replacement for the bios" ? lol nope, it's a replacement for digging stub loaders out of MBR, BIOS is still there
[06:45] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD"
[06:46] <ConsoleFx> Aaha there you go! sweet stuff lotus|NUC  :)
[06:47] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in UEFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode"
[06:47] <ConsoleFx> basically the bottom line would be to check the existince of this file. if yes then uefi else legacy mode
[06:47] <explodes> why is dpkg configuring different versions...
[06:47] <explodes> Processing triggers for linux-image-4.15.0-34-generic (4.15.0-34.37) ...
[06:47] <explodes> Processing triggers for linux-image-4.15.0-36-generic (4.15.0-36.39) ...
[06:47] <ConsoleFx> cool
[06:47] <lotus|NUC> explodes: latest is .38 give your system time to update
[06:48] <explodes> how many versions of linux am I running ?!
[06:48] <explodes> the numbers go up AND down again - is this normal?
[06:48] <lotus|NUC> explodes: in normal case, unattended upgrades will cleanout your older kernels auto
[06:49] <lotus|NUC> explodes: initram is always longg waiting
[06:49] <explodes> ok i'll be patient
[06:49] <ConsoleFx> explodes, FYI, "sudo apt autoremove" should help to remove older kernels
[06:49] <explodes> i run autoremove from time to time
[06:49] <lotus|NUC> ConsoleFx: he's in the middle of upgrade
[06:50] <ConsoleFx> lotus|NUC, oops didnt see that.. sorry
[06:50] <lotus|NUC> explodes: depends how many kernels your system still has, initram will take a while
[06:50] <explodes> or, used to. 3-4 months ago, a linux upgrade dropped my wireless driver and it a PITA to get it back, i have lots of drives that didn't work between two different OS's despite a common drive format.
[06:50] <explodes> since then, i kept old linux flavors around just in case i need to revert. :I
[06:50] <explodes> s/flavor/version
[06:51] <explodes> any way to list the kernels for an estimate? its way past my bedtime
[06:51] <lotus|NUC> explodes: once your on 18.04 automatic kernel cleanout will be a fact
[06:51] <lotus|NUC> explodes: leave your pc on the whole night mate :p
[06:52] <explodes> i can't leave it - there have been configuration popups that i have to answer :(
[06:52] <lotus|NUC> explodes: dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[06:52] <explodes> "are you sure you want to upgrade postgres??!!!!" "do you need a machine key???!!!"
[06:53] <explodes> 21.
[06:53] <explodes> excluding -extra and -generic
[06:53] <lotus|NUC> explodes: we dont know what you had installed on 16.04
[06:54] <explodes> sorry yes i'm not trying to attack you
[06:54] <lotus|NUC> explodes: you are not mate
[06:54] <lotus|NUC> explodes: 21 kernels will take a while
[06:54] <explodes> i'm don't think that a multi-hour upgrade should have 5 random points in time where the user must hit "yes" or "no" - if i could be avoided by collecting input up front that would be nice
[06:55] <lotus|NUC> explodes: its the users choice
[06:55] <explodes> oh well, gonna sleep. hopefully it gets most of the way through
[06:55] <explodes> thanks for the help
[06:55] <lotus|NUC> np
[08:05] <Skybot> small throw out.  I like ubuntu.
[08:05] <lotus|NUC> Skybot: feel free to use #ubuntu-discuss for your love :p
[08:06] <Skybot> ubuntu helping replace windows program is nice
[08:06] <Skybot> desktop as a service is a no go
[08:06] <lotus|NUC> Skybot: we try to focus on ubuntu questions only in this channel
[08:07] <Skybot> fair
[08:08] <Skybot> product too strict
[08:08] <Skybot> no point in using an irc channel if not for feedback?
[08:09] <Skybot> am I correct?
[08:09] <lotus|NUC> Skybot: we use different channels here for different topics
[08:09] <lotus|NUC> Skybot: in #ubuntu = only ubuntu serious questions
[08:09] <lotus|NUC> !discuss | Skybot
[08:10] <Skybot> good rules; when there's a flood of users asking..   Ban me.
[08:17] <Skybot> Is that Ubuntu's direction?
[08:18] <Skybot> OPEN SOFTWARE?
[08:36] <fub> Hi. I am using gnome under ubuntu 18.04. I am trying to disable the autostarted bluetoothd. I tested different solutions I found on stackoverflow, but none worked. Any hints how to disable this?
[08:40] <ducasse> fub: 'systemctl disable bluetooth.service' should do it, i think?
[09:13] <fub> ducasse: persistent?
[09:13] <fub> or just for the moment
[09:13] <fub> executed it, lets see. thanks
[09:14] <thinky> hi there
[09:14] <EriC^^> hi thinky
[09:15] <EriC^^> fub: it's permanent
[09:15] <ducasse> fub: that's persistent, use 'stop' instead of 'disable' to stop it now
[09:15] <thinky> my ubuntu is sucking too much system
[09:15] <thinky> it is feeling heavy
[09:16] <thinky> i thought latest updates could fix the problems but didnt fix. i dont know what i have to do.
[09:19] <tarzeau> thinky: gnome-shell?
[09:19] <tarzeau> thinky: nvidia graphics card? nouveau driver? nvidia driver?
[09:19] <thinky> tarzeau: both
[09:19] <tarzeau> thinky: how much memory? tried activating zram-config ?
[09:20] <thinky> gnome shell is using too much cpu and ram
[09:20] <thinky> plus i think i have problem with graphics driver
[09:20] <thinky> i didnt activate zram since i dont know what it is
[09:20] <tarzeau> use not gnome-shell, /me likes wmaker/gnustep, but there's plenty others around, xfce, kde being popular
[09:20] <tarzeau> thinky: compressed memory, helps a lot: apt-get install zram-config; service zram-config start
[09:20] <thinky> well i installed gnome tweak tool and made a good look on my desktop
[09:21] <thinky> for example while typing on firefox - facebook it delays.. also when i try to drag open folder windows it moves slow
[09:22] <tarzeau> thinky: tried using chromium(-browser)?
[09:22] <thinky> not much, but i can try
[09:22] <fub> ducasse: great, thanks you. all the SO answers had different way, like with editing /etc/rc.local and so on.
[09:23] <thinky> i am using firefox because it is default and good browswer
[09:23] <tarzeau> thinky: i've found the nouveau driver to be much better with 16.04, with 18.04 we're going all for nvidia binary drivers (works also great with 18.04 + cuda10 + src built tensorflow)
[09:23] <fub> or editing the /etc/bluetooth/main.conf and setting AutoEnable=False
[09:23] <tarzeau> thinky: i'm not using it because it's slow, heavy, memory wasting
[09:23] <tarzeau> we even replace the default gdm3 with lightdm (18.04)
[09:23] <thinky> i am on 18.04.1
[09:24] <tarzeau> not all defaults are excellent choices done by canonical
[09:24] <thinky> tarzeau: how can i install nouveau driver?
[09:24] <tarzeau> we also change some sysctl.conf and initramfs, default filesystem btrfs with compression
[09:24] <thinky> i have intel graphics
[09:24] <tarzeau> thinky: you can't use nouveau drivers without an nvidia graphics card
[09:25] <tarzeau> is that on a laptop?
[09:25] <thinky> yep. a ThinkPad x201
[09:25] <RefractiveIndex> Guys why does my openvpn get stuck at "Initialization Sequence Completed" everytime
[09:26] <thinky> gnome shell 25% cpu :/
[09:29] <thinky> am i here?
[09:30] <thinky> hello?
[09:34] <thinky> how can i change shell to different one from gnome?
[09:37] <EriC^^> thinky: sudo apt-get install <name-of-desktop>
[09:39] <thinky> but then my current look will change
[09:39] <EriC^^> thinky: isn't that the idea? unless by shell you mean "terminal program" or shell as in bash sh dash etc
[09:42] <thinky> not really. is it possible to use former shell unity instead of gnome? i was happy with unity
[09:43] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:43] <EriC^^> !info ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <EriC^^> thinky: install the above package
[09:45] <thinky> is the name ubuntu-desktop only?
[09:46] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:46] <thinky> ok
[09:47] <thinky> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:47] <thinky> will that remove gnome shell?
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> RefractiveIndex: perhaps a config issue? maybe the #openvpn guys might know
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> thinky: ubuntu-desktop is gnome, are you looking for ubuntu-unity-desktop?
[09:55] <thinky> lotuspsychje: yes
[09:59] <guiverc> thinky, looking at prior comments, x201 with intel graphics -- nouveau driver is for nvidia, not intel
[09:59] <thinky> guiverc: yes noticed that but is there any driver for intel?
[10:00] <guiverc> thinky, i have a x201; i didn't need to add drivers, if you `sudo lshw -C video`  (list hardware, class video) will show driver= telling you what driver is being used -- i'm not on my x201 currently
[10:01] <blackflow> thinky: only the in-kernel one, there's no proprietay variant like nvidia-driver
[10:01] <thinky> the thing is that while watching video sometimes it freezes and sometimes it doesnt load video
[10:02] <guiverc> i haven't run 18.04.1 (or gnome) on mine - mine still runs 16.04.5 (Unity desktop, you can add to yours if you wish - https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-unity-desktop)
[10:03] <thinky> guiverc: i am installing unity to 18.04 at the moment.
[10:05] <thinky> guiverc: how can i am still learning ubuntu sorry asking. how can i add package to ubuntu?
[10:07] <guiverc> thinky, my preference is terminal, so to add ubuntu-unity-desktop to your system I would use the command `sudo apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop`  (command being inside back-quotes).. you can use gui tools, eg. gnome-software, ubuntu-software, synaptic or others..
[10:07] <thinky> got it
[10:07] <thinky> thx
[10:07] <thinky> i think i installed
[10:07] <thinky> let me try
[10:07] <thinky> brb
[10:10] <thinky> back
[10:11] <thinky> i installed unity desktop and at login screen there are 3 options : Ubuntu/Ubuntu on Wayland/Ubuntu(default)  i am not sure which one is unity because when i login all looks same that previous theme
[10:13] <guiverc> thinky, you may have installed more gnome options if you installed ubuntu-desktop; I think Eric meant to say ubuntu-unity-desktop  (so it was the wrong package installed I suspect)
[10:13] <thinky> guiverc: no later i installed ubuntu-unity-desktop
[10:13] <thinky> and i chose lightDM when it asked
[10:14] <thinky> i did explained here : https://itsfoss.com/use-unity-ubuntu-17-10/
[10:14] <guiverc> :)
[10:14] <thinky> what s wrong?
[10:17] <vlt> Hello! When using the xul-ext-lightning package for the latest Thunderbird how can I change the language?
[10:17] <guiverc> thinky sorry I'm not sure. i'm looking.. but I haven't tried unity on 18.04 (I'm a XFCE fan/user myself [mostly])
[10:18] <thinky> np
[10:19] <guiverc> thinky, did you reboot, or just logout?
[10:20] <tomreyn> vlt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/545778
[10:23] <thinky> guiverc: rebooted
[10:23] <thinky> looks all same
[10:23] <thinky> no difference
[10:24] <vlt> tomreyn: Hmmmm, I cannot find a reasonably practicable solution in that bug report. What did I miss?
[10:25] <tomreyn> vlt: that it's a universe package
[10:25] <guiverc> sorry thinky i can't see any other clues as to why you weren't offered a unity option
[10:26] <thinky> np
[10:26] <vlt> tomreyn: So what could I do? Any idea?
[10:28] <blackflow> vlt: seen the workarounds suggested in that bug report?
[10:28] <guiverc> thinky, you could try `sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-unity-desktop` , but it shouldn't make a difference (it shouldn't need to redownload, will only re-install the .deb package  - about all i can think of.
[10:28] <tomreyn> vlt: you can use the wrokaround in comment 45, or you could contribute localized builds to ubuntu
[10:29] <thinky> let me try
[10:29] <tomreyn> unfortunately this workaround lacks an (automated) upgrade path, needs to be applied on any upgrade.
[10:30] <vlt> blackflow, tomreyn: If I didn't miss one, the workarounds all include manual mouse clicks in every single user instance. Where do I start to read about providing a localized build?
[10:33] <thinky> brb
[10:35] <tomreyn> vlt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[10:36] <tomreyn> 8.1
[10:36] <vlt> Thank you :)
[10:37] <tomreyn> you're welcome. :)
[10:54] <thinky> guiverc: done
[10:54] <thinky> now i have both gnome and unity desktop
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | guiverc
[10:55] <thinky> lol
[10:55] <thinky> yes
[10:56] <thinky> another problem. even i purge unity it doesnt go away
[10:56] <thinky> it is still there
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> thinky: you just installed unity, you want to pyrge now?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> purge
[10:58] <thinky> no i was trying and noticed that
[10:58] <thinky> it doesnt remove
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> thinky: trying what, to do what?
[10:59] <thinky> it didnt work at first time and i purged reinstalled several times
[10:59] <thinky> then after i purged i noticed that in login screen there is unity login option i loged in that way and it worked
[11:00] <thinky> even i removed unity desktop it worked
[11:00] <thinky> i dont know why
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> thinky: wich command did you use to purge?
[11:02] <tomreyn> ubuntu-unity-desktop is a meta package, it just pulls in dependencies when installing it, purging it doesn't remove those depednencies.
[11:03] <thinky> sudo apt purge ubuntu-unity-desktop
[11:05] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-unity-desktop lists the dependencies
[11:24] <rmerry> Hey guys, I wonder if any body can help me; I'm building a Trusty (14.04) .deb package that has a dependency on a version of a library that exists for bionic and not trusty; what is the correct way to handle this; would I simply add a post install script that displays a message saying "You must build x from source blah blah..." ?
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> rmerry: you can tell us wich package you would like
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> rmerry: volunteers might have a think-along what to try
[11:27] <rmerry> hey, it's libboost-dev 1.62
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> !info libboost-dev trusty
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> rmerry: and wich package are you trying to build?
[11:30] <rmerry> It's a development package with some core libraries that my company use; it's for our internal Nexus-apt repository
[11:31] <Ben64> rmerry: i think the correct way is to build a package for the library
[11:32] <rmerry> I see; I would build a libboost-dev package for trusty v 1.62, and host it on our internal repo
[11:33] <rmerry> makes sense
[12:16] <aruns> Hey guys.
[12:16] <aruns> I set up a dedicated backup server for a client on a spare Ubuntu 18.04 machine they had lying around.
[12:17] <aruns> I am now unable to SSH or RDP into the box, I raised the issue with them, and they confirmed the issue.
[12:18] <aruns> I set up the server with Laravel Forge, and I tried to refresh the connection status for the server from the Forge dashboard, and it came back with the following error message that it apparently received from the server: "WHEN CONNECTING AS "root" USER:"
[12:18] <aruns> Any idea what this error message means? A simple Google search doesn't yield any results.
[12:18] <vlt> aruns: You are *now* unable? Were you before?
[12:18] <aruns> Yes.
[12:19] <aruns> If I try to SSH in verbose mode, nothing much is returned, it just complains about "debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory"
[12:20] <aruns> But the user I am trying to SSH in as uses password based authentication.
[12:20] <blackflow> aruns: what's teh error message given by ssh?
[12:20] <aruns> nc: getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[12:21] <aruns> I guess I'm best off waiting for the client's IT department to resolve.
[12:21] <aruns> Just wondered if I could find any meaningful debug info to send their way.
[12:22] <blackflow> aruns: what's the error message given by ssh?
[12:22] <blackflow> (on the client side)
[12:26] <aruns> blackflow: nc: getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host is all I get
[12:26] <aruns> If I don't run SSH in verbose mode.
[12:27] <blackflow> aruns: what's the exact ssh command you're calling?
[12:27] <aruns> ssh *username*@*ip*
[12:28] <aruns> I think I'll just need to wait for client to get back.
[12:28] <blackflow> aruns: and what about ~/.ssh/config  ? any params pre-set there? like ProxyCommand?
[12:29] <JimBuntu> probably listed for Host *
[12:29] <blackflow> yeah. that nc means they're probably using a netcat based proxy or something.
[12:29] <blackflow> aruns: it'd be great if you could pastebin the _entire_ output of   ssh -v username@ip
[12:30] <blackflow> feel free to censor usernames, IPs
[12:30] <aruns> Host * ProxyCommand nc %h %p %r is what I have in my ~/.ssh/config
[12:30] <blackflow> yea.
[12:30] <aruns> Just so I can get meaningful error messages.
[12:30] <blackflow> so ssh ...  is NOT the _exact_ command I was looking for, you have a proxy there
[12:31] <blackflow> you use a jump host. this error is from the jump host most likely, and not from the end server you're connecting to.
[12:32] <blackflow> I bet %p is a word and not a port. that's why it's failing to resolve the port by that name.
[12:32] <blackflow> full ssh client side -v  output will show tht
[12:32] <aruns> Is https://pastebin.com/wfy3WV1f OK?
[12:32] <aruns> Apologies for formatting.
[12:32] <blackflow> ...
[12:33] <blackflow> can't read that
[12:36] <aruns> Apologies. Any recommended tools for formatting terminal output in that case?
[12:41] <dhs227> btrfs-convert not found in default installation, btrfs-progs install already.
[12:41] <dhs227> ubuntu 18.10
[12:41] <dhs227> Any suggestions?
[12:43] <JimBuntu> aruns, have you tried SSHing into the jump box directly, and then SSHing out from there?
[12:43] <blackflow> dhs227: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/btrfs-progs/+bug/1774794
[12:43] <whothehellami> Hi, my ubuntu 16.04 system does not start anymore (A start job is running for Create Volatile Files and Directories - no limit) using <IP_ADDRESS>. I also tried to install 4.18.17 but this didn't change anything. The system boots if I select 4.4 from the boot loader. Anyone here who can help?
[12:46] <blackflow> whothehellami: have you looked up the service name "Create Volatile Files and Directories" on google?  that's for tmpfiles, and some problems and solutions are listed.
[12:50] <whothehellami> blackflow, yeah, I looked it up. most of the posts I found are some years old. I read that this issue could be related to a lot of files (created by chrome) inside /tmp. As suggested I recreated /tmp but that didn't work
[12:51] <M4n9o> hi all
[12:51] <whothehellami> blackflow, also there are not that many files/dirs inside /tmp
[12:52] <blackflow> whothehellami: it's not about /tmp. That's "tmpfiles" service, a systemd service that manages volatile and temporary paths.
[12:53] <blackflow> I mean it's not JUST about /tmp.   I'd be great if you could somehow mount the root fs, or wherever /var/log  is and try see if there's anything related, logged by /var/log/syslog
[12:54] <blackflow> but if different kernel fixes it, sounds like something in the kernel config of 4.15 is missing or wrong, for the 16.04 userland.   that's a HWE kernel, right?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:56] <whothehellami> blackflow, ATM the system is running with 4.4 so I could post syslog. 4.15 should be a hwe kernel. at least I can see a line 'linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04  <IP_ADDRESS>.61' with 'dpkg --list | grep linux-image'. sorry I am not an expert
[12:57] <whothehellami> blackflow, I think before I restarted the system the last time I updated it with apt-get upgrade. Mby a newer version of some package broke the system using a kernel >= 4.15 ?
[12:58] <coconut> Is ext4 still a recommended file system for an external usb hdd? (i have one around from 2006)
[12:59] <whothehellami> blackflow, well, posting syslog after booting with 4.4 doesn't make sense, right?
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> coconut: what will be your purpose for the stick?
[13:00] <M4n9o> does anyone have a guide on how to run a file system check where the filesystem is encrypted?
[13:00] <coconut> lotuspsychje: basicly a backup for files from my /home parition.
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> coconut: no exchange with other operating systems?
[13:02] <blackswan> M4n9o: here's the guide. "you're doomed". unless you can decrypt it, there's nothing you can do.
[13:03] <blackflow> whothehellami: it does, that's a (r)syslogd file, it's peristent, so it contains all the previous entries. but eh.... there's gonna be a megaton of them. better try to search for anything related to "tmpfiles"
[13:03] <coconut> lotuspsychje: exchange with other systems sound more interesting now you ask...
[13:03] <blackswan> M4n9o: what exactly is your question? because i use fsck all the time on encrypted block devices. but they're decrypted when it runs.
[13:04] <M4n9o> blackswan: lol, need to know how to decrypt them first, do I boot from a live ubuntu iso, decrypt and then run fsck
[13:05] <blackswan> you can use cryptsetup luksOpen to decrypt them, probably?
[13:05] <M4n9o> I know the password so thats not an issue
[13:05] <blackswan> yes
[13:06] <blackswan> are you using lvm or any other sorcery?
[13:06] <blackflow> M4n9o: you can force systemd to run fsck on boot. That happens _after_ the fs is decrypted. I think it applies only to rootfs
[13:06] <M4n9o> lvm
[13:06] <blackflow> M4n9o<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:07] <blackswan> is the lvm using an encrypted block device, or are the individual volumes encrypted?
[13:07] <whothehellami> blackflow, If you meant to search for tmpfiles inside the syslog, then I only get 'systemd-tmpfiles[6534]: [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/var.conf:14] Duplicate line for path "/var/log", ignoring.' with 'cat /var/log/syslog | grep tmpfiles'
[13:08] <M4n9o> i'll give it a go and let you know how I get on, thanks
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> coconut: exfat, ntfs
[13:08] <blackflow> whothehellami: yeah but that's probably not the problem here. It's also possible that the problem won't be logged directly relatable to "tmpfiles"
[13:09] <coconut> lotuspsychje: and if only on ubuntu pc?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> coconut: ext4 would be fine there
[13:10] <coconut> ok :)
[13:13] <blackflow> whothehellami: look at the timestamp and check the period when you tried to boot and failed.
[13:14] <mIk3_08> have to go guys....
[13:24] <whothehellami> blackflow, I'll restart with 4.15 kernel to update syslog and to hopefully find some suspicious lines more easily. will be back soon
[13:27] <cnnx> can ubuntu kernels be custom compiled as easily as gentoo's make menuconfig?
[13:28] <blackflow> cnnx: make menuconfig doesn't compile, and it's part of regular kernel sources Makefile target. So yea you should be able to configure it with that target, but using deb-src and rebuilding from that.
[13:29] <cnnx> right
[13:29] <cnnx> i used to do make menuconfig;make;make install
[13:29] <blackflow> it's a bit more involved though as the src deb is creating many packages from single source
[13:29] <cnnx> so its easier in gentoo?
[13:29] <blackflow> no
[13:29] <blackflow> oh IN gentoo, yes.
[13:29] <cnnx> debating to choose gentoo or ubuntu on my new system today
[13:30] <blackflow> cnnx: #ubuntu-discuss or #gentoo-chat if you wanna discuss reasons for your choice ;)
[13:30] <cnnx> ty
[13:34] <XenophonF> 18.04.1's DHCP client is sending a very weird client ID to my Microsoft DHCP server, and it results in the wrong hostname getting registered in DNS.
[13:34] <XenophonF> Has anyone else hit this problem? I'm not even sure what to search for.
[13:35] <XenophonF> the hostname that ends up in DNS looks something like "hostname<Unicode character>domain<Unicode character>tld.domain.tld"
[13:35] <bluesceada> XenophonF, what is in /etc/hostname
[13:35] <XenophonF> hostname.domain.tld
[13:36] <bluesceada> not sure if dots should be in /etc/hostname
[13:36] <bluesceada> your dhcp server might add stuff behind it
[13:36] <bluesceada> i think normally per dhcp you just give a name, not a complete hostname
[13:36] <bluesceada> in /etc/hosts you can add your complete name
[13:37] <XenophonF> if it isn't a FQDN, then other apps don't correctly detect/set the computer's FQDN
[13:37] <bluesceada> for example a home router might add ".local" behind it or ".lan"
[13:37] <bluesceada> that should be in /etc/hosts
[13:37] <thinky> hi again
[13:37] <XenophonF> hm, OK let me change that and see what's what
[13:37] <bluesceada> at least from my limited understanding and what i am doing since years for home networks
[13:38] <XenophonF> thanks bluesceada
[13:38] <thinky> how can i watch Netflix on Chromium?
[13:38] <thinky> it requires HTML5 or Silverlight
[13:38] <bluesceada> i thought silverlight is finally dead
[13:38] <thinky> apperantly not for netflix
[13:38] <bluesceada> i think you need google chrome because of some other proprietary extension for drm content ..
[13:39] <bluesceada> but which is not silverlight afaik ...
[13:39] <thinky> well chromium suggested because it is light instead of firefox
[13:39] <bluesceada> chromium is the open source part of google chrome
[13:39] <thinky> i would like to use chromium if possible
[13:40] <sruli> i need to shrink my partition to make space for another one, i shrinked the lv with pvresize, how do i now shrink the actual partition sda4?
[13:40] <bluesceada> no idea then, sorry
[13:41] <XenophonF> sruli: what file system is sda4?
[13:42] <XenophonF> also you have to shrink the fs before the parent volume
[13:42] <XenophonF> if ext4: https://www.systutorials.com/124416/shrinking-a-ext4-file-system-on-lvm-in-linux/
[13:43] <thinky> how can i uninstall default intel graphics driver and reinstall on ubuntu?
[13:43] <thinky> it is buggy
[13:43] <sruli> XenophonF: everything upto sda4 is shrinked, the pv size is shrinked only sda4 remaining, type is LVM (83e)
[13:43] <thinky> while watching movies online screen comes frame by frame
[13:43] <sruli> XenophonF: its not ext4
[13:43] <thinky> it has delay
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> thinky: your ubuntu version and graphics card chipset please?
[13:46] <thinky> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 18.04.1
[13:46] <thinky> graphics : intel
[13:46] <thinky> using ThinkPad x201
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> thinky: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video please
[13:47] <thinky> ok
[13:47] <thinky> sudo lshw -C video ?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:48] <thinky> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jnmwY2Q8q2/
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> thinky: driver is not active, card is unclaimed
[13:48] <thinky> what can i do?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> thinky: what happens when you ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ?
[13:50] <thinky> lotuspsychje: No drivers found for automatic installation.
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> thinky: you were the one who upgraded from 16.04 right?
[13:51] <thinky> nope i clean installed
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> oh
[13:51] <thinky> when it first released it has been months. i was waiting upgrades to fix this but not happened..
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> thinky: but you installed unity today right
[13:52] <thinky> yes i did but removed later
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> thinky: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/1767468
[13:52] <thinky> i beleive driver problem is effecting system running slow not related with gnome or unity
[13:53] <thinky> lotuspsychje: btw i am having an error when i try to restart or shut down on black screen shows up in few seconds
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> thinky: seems on these users, unity disabled hardware acceleration
[13:53] <thinky> it says usr/... intel graphics bla bla
[13:54] <thinky> lotuspsychje:  i am having this problem for months before unity installed today
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> thinky: is your system up to date?
[13:54] <thinky> yes
[13:54] <thinky> i always keep up to date
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> thinky: can you share us your syslog please
[13:54] <thinky> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade always
[13:54] <thinky> ok
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> thinky: lets see where your intel driver goes wrong
[13:55] <thinky> ok
[13:56] <thinky> cant show it
[13:56] <thinky> i think i need to install syslogd
[13:56] <thinky> how can i share syslog please?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> thinky: pastebin /var/log/syslog
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> thinky: or dmesg
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> thinky: another usefull test would be, booting a liveusb 18.04.1 and see if your intel driver loads there
[14:00] <thinky> ~$ sudo pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[14:00] <thinky> Failed to contact the server: [Errno socket error] The write operation timed out
[14:02] <thinky> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dNZCV65t9S/
[14:02] <thinky> it took time to select&copy&paste and pastebin
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> thinky: seems like you have alot of trouble there, with ips and snap htop
[14:04] <thinky> lotuspsychje: yes i wanna fix it please :/
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> thinky: can you test a 18.04.1 liveusb please
[14:07] <thinky> i dont have liveusb with me :/
[14:08] <Greyztar> can i state an variable in bash,then after refer to it inside a config file?
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> thinky: are you booting from a nomodeset?
[14:09] <thinky> what is that?
[14:09] <thinky> i am booting normally from pc
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> thinky: doublecheck your grub
[14:10] <thinky> dual boot with win10
[14:10] <thinky> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YbmSQV9KqG/
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> thinky: in your /etc/default/grub please
[14:13] <thinky> ok
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> thinky: check if you have nomodeset there
[14:14] <XenophonF> oh, I think I want to tell systemd-networkd to stop sending the hostname in the DHCP request
[14:14] <Jubei> wow perfect timing I also have a grub question :)
[14:14] <sruli> how do i shrink a lvm partition? not the lv, vg or pv but the actual sdaX
[14:14] <XenophonF> sruli: you never said what file system you're using
[14:15] <thinky> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XpYChYMr6t/
[14:15] <sruli> XenophonF: i did its LVM which is type 8e
[14:15] <thinky> lotuspsychje: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[14:15] <Jubei> I'm trying to make grub boot linux from a usb stick. I assume it will be hd1,0 (or hd1,1). Could somebody point me to a guide that explains how to accomplish this because my googling so far has been unsuccesful
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> thinky: delete nomodeset, save file sudo update-grub and reboot
[14:15] <XenophonF> sruli: that's not a file system
[14:15] <thinky> ok
[14:16] <XenophonF> xfs, ext4, jfs, zfs are all file systems
[14:16] <XenophonF> how you shrink them (whether you can shrink them) depends on how the volume is formatted
[14:16] <XenophonF> LVM can sometimes shrink the contained file system, e.g., ext4 per the link I posted.
[14:17] <XenophonF> That doc also shows how to change the disk partitioning
[14:17] <sruli> XenophonF: i am confused, its a LVM partition of 150G containing a  pv of size 100G all the filesystems are in the LV's
[14:18] <thinky> brb
[14:20] <sruli> XenophonF: i found the resizepart in that page, thanks (the ext4 part of the title was not what i needed to didnt check)
[14:20] <thinky> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y2Chn96zgf/
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> thinky: check: sudo lshw -C video again
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> thinky: see if your driver= has loaded now
[14:22] <thinky> ok
[14:22] <thinky> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m8bJBTnxZ2/
[14:22] <thinky> i think it is ok now :)
[14:22] <thinky> thank you very very much !
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> thinky: try video now :p
[14:23] <thinky> !cookie lotuspsychje
[14:23] <thinky> how was that command? lol
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> thinky: | in between
[14:23] <thinky> lotuspsychje: one more thing
[14:23] <thinky> !cookie | lotuspsychje
[14:24] <thinky> how can i totally remove ubuntu-unity-desktop from the system? it still shows up on login screen
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> thinky: you installed few hours ago, you sure yout want to remove it now?
[14:28] <thinky> yes
[14:28] <thinky> do u think system slow down and non stability issues was related with graphics card?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> thinky: nomodeset blocked your graphics driver, that was surely related to your video issues
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> thinky: stability problems is something else, not sure how you define those?
[14:30] <thinky> it was heating my laptop too much cpu and ram usage..etc
[14:31] <thinky> there was delay problems with desktop
[14:31] <thinky> it seems now it is smooth
[14:31] <thinky> it feels smooth now
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> thinky: you said earlier you already purged unity
[14:33] <jinzo78> Hi all. Quick question: I have a problem which appeared at a first time on the VPS I use as server for my client-server application, and now on my client. Suddenly, when I try to execute some processes, it fails with the "failed to allocate memory". This happens even if I try to execute "reboot", "bash", or if I try to SSH connect into the problema
[14:33] <jinzo78> tic machine. For the VPS, I solved by rebooting from Plesk; for the kiosk, it's not reasonable, because I have to sell this product and I have to guarantee 24h uptime. Could you give me some advice? Thank you in advance!
[14:34] <thinky> lotuspsychje: yes purged but still exists :/
[14:35] <blackflow> jinzo78: best advice you can get: if you need to ask this question, better not sell any "guarantee" based service. you'll just end in a pickle and potentially in a lawsuit trouble for negligence.  Having said that, first things to check. How much memory you have for the VM/kiosk?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> thinky: try sudo apt autoremove
[14:36] <thinky> ok
[14:36] <jinzo78> blackflow: 6 GB RAM
[14:36] <jinzo78> in the kiosk
[14:37] <jinzo78> and 8 GB on the server
[14:37] <blackflow> jinzo78: is there any limit on the cgroup of the service that's failing?
[14:37] <jinzo78> How do I check that?
[14:37] <thinky> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CjHH8CZFty/
[14:38] <blackflow> jinzo78: have oyu configured any via service unit files?  Also are you out of free space in /dev/shm?
[14:38] <blackflow> jinzo78: also check /run and other tmpfs. better, pastebin   df -h   run on a machine that's failing.
[14:40] <johnc--> hi, which one is the correct format to enter in a crontab entry: 0 0 1 * * ./certbot-auto renew "OR" 0 0 1 * * certbot-auto renew
[14:41] <leftyfb> johnc--: neither. Use the full path to certbot-auto
[14:41] <blackflow> aye.
[14:41] <jinzo78> First question: I have configured some service unit that don't run as daemons but run at boot, to start the services on tmux terminals, but no service units with daemon processes. Second question: how do I check in /dev/shm?
[14:41] <johnc--> ok
[14:41] <jinzo78> Do I have to use df -h on /dev/shm?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> thinky: check if you still have of these packages installed: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/04/how-to-install-unity-in-ubuntu-1804-lts.html
[14:42] <blackflow> jinzo78: no, df -h gives a summary for all mounted filesystems.    really, if you have to ask that, how can you sell any services, and guarantee anything for them!
[14:44] <johnc--> leftyfb, i have doubt. I can do ./certbot-auto from my home directory with no folder, so i'll do 0 0 1 * * /home/john/certbot-auto renew ?
[14:45] <leftyfb> johnc--: that would also be the wrong way to go about it
[14:45] <leftyfb> johnc--: install letsencrypt properly and use the full apth
[14:45] <leftyfb> path*
[14:46] <johnc--> okay. will do.
[14:46] <blackflow> pacakged certbot?
[14:46] <leftyfb> correct
[14:46] <blackflow> methinks that even comes with a cronjob already installed
[14:46] <leftyfb> letsencrypt is part of ubuntu
[14:47] <blackflow> oh aye, /etc/cron.d/certbot  installed by 'certbot' package
[14:47] <blackflow> !info certbot
[14:47] <blackflow> !info letsencrypt
[14:47] <jinzo78> blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wCQqp28fBm/ that's my df -h output now, the machine currently is not failing but I don't know if it will. Also, I don't feel the need to be that nasty, so please be more kind with me.
[14:49] <blackflow> jinzo78: I've been burnt by people selling services who had no clue how to work those services. so yeah, I'll be nasty. Get a clue before you sell and take peoples money.
[14:51] <jinzo78> I'm here to have a clue before selling :)  so will you ask me my question or do I have to leave the channel?
[14:53] <blackflow> jinzo78: you have to check the state of the machine _when_ it is failing. df -h will show stats for mounted filesystems, tmpfs included. `free -m` will give you general memory info see  linuxatemyram.com for more info in its output.
[14:54] <blackflow> jinzo78: when it fails, you need to know which process failed. observe it's RSS and VSZ in output of `ps axuf`. is there swap? is `dmesg` listing any OOM situations, is OOM killer at work?
[14:55] <thinky> oh i need to go
[14:55] <thinky> see ya later dudes
[14:56] <hellhound> !paste
[14:56] <blackflow> jinzo78: which ubuntu is that? is tehre systemd? if yes, write a proper service unit file instead of running stuff via tmux. tmux damons have its use, but not for production, and a dedicated service is what you need. limit the service's memory use so it doesn't bring the entire machine down, in case it needs lots of RAM
[14:58] <jinzo78> Ubuntu 18.04. Yes, there is systemd. I use tmux to run my stuff because I need to debug them. I'm not yet at selling stage, I'm still in a beta/pre-release phase.
[14:58] <jinzo78> blackflow
[14:59] <blackflow> jinzo78: right, well, you need to take look at it when it starts happening
[15:00] <johnc--> leftyfb, i followed the instructions here, https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/ubuntubionic-apache.html and everything is working fine. On the last page Automatic Renewal section, it says automatic, but when i do crontab -l nothing is present. Do i need to manually add it?
[15:00] <leftyfb> johnc--: sudo apt install certbot
[15:01] <plasmid>  Ubuntu Desktop has virtual manager installed (virt-manager) but Ubuntu 18.04 server does not. I want to use the server but i am running into dependency nightmares with the server because it can't find this and that. I installed the basic development packages but ti cannot find virt-manager in the repository like Ubuntu desktop. Why?
[15:01] <leftyfb> johnc--: then you are done. There should be a cron job created for you
[15:01] <jinzo78> blackflow if "it" means the "failed to allocate memory" error, as I said before, I can't run any process, including "reboot". How do I run df -h if I can't even manage to reboot?
[15:01] <blackflow> jinzo78: OTOH running tmux like that gets you under user slice and cgroup, which have special considerations. I don't know if this is already in effect on Ubuntu, but for example logind should kill any process, even your tmux, when you logout, unless you run it under its own scope
[15:02] <johnc--> leftyfb, i got:  certbot is already the newest version (0.26.1-1+ubuntu18.04.1+certbot+2). certbot set to manually installed. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed.
[15:02] <ducasse> plasmid: add the universe repo
[15:02] <blackflow> jinzo78: not even if you log in through another channel? another ssh session? console?
[15:02] <plasmid> @ducasse err.. can you point me to the documentation on how to add repos to the Ubuntu server?
[15:03] <ducasse> plasmid: 'sudo add-apt-repository universe'
[15:03] <jinzo78> blackflow sometimes I can't even log via SSH, it gets completely stuck...
[15:03] <blackflow> jinzo78: what about virtual console?
[15:05] <plasmid> @ducasse it states: sudo: add: command not found
[15:05] <jinzo78> blackflow the kiosk (that is a MiniPC) has no virtual console besides of a terminal. And if I can't run gnome-terminal, I don't know other ways to have access to a console.
[15:05] <blackflow> jinzo78: ctrl-alt-F2  for example, to access the tty2
[15:06] <blackflow> then F1 or F7 back to GUI tty
[15:06] <blackflow> *ctrl-F1 or ctrl-F7
[15:06] <ducasse> plasmid: you must have a typo, copy and paste what i wrote
[15:06] <blackflow> jinzo78: also consider setting up syslog forwarding to an external machine, or even journal remote loading (google for "systemd journal remote service"). if you can't run anything on the machine, all this is moot and you need to find a way to siphon away all the info so you can read it elsewhere.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> plasmid no ":" between sudo or add
[15:08] <plasmid> @ducasse and @BluesKaj, i missed the hyphen. Getting glasses...
[15:09] <plasmid> so the universe repository will contain everything Ubuntu desktop has?
[15:10] <plasmid> What I am trying to accomplish is setup Ubuntu server as the host and KVM Windows 10
[15:10] <diverdude> hi, how do i install python pip on ubuntu 16.04? apt-get install python-pip says "Unable to locate package"
[15:10] <ducasse> plasmid: there is also multiverse, for example
[15:10] <ducasse> !repositories | plasmid
[15:11] <blackflow> jinzo78: but ideally.... you should write a proper systemd .service unit and use resource control to constrain memory use. that way you can get the process killed wihtout it affecting the whole machine.   see systemd.resource-control(5) manpage and enties MemoryHigh and MemoryMax
[15:11] <plasmid> @ducasse thanks. appreciated m8.
[15:11] <ducasse> plasmid: yw
[15:11] <jinzo78> blackflow I totally forgot about CTRL+F1 for the console. However, I can't access that console right now from the kiosk, I don't know why. I tried CTRL+F2, CTRL+ALT+F2, but nothing.
[15:12] <jinzo78> Thanks for the advice about the systemd .service unit, I will seriously consider it
[15:13] <blackflow> jinzo78: dunno why, is the kiosk software somehow hijacking those shortcuts?
[15:15] <diverdude> ahh looks better with kernels i think? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s9ZxHkF3Jh
[15:16] <diverdude> hi, how do i install python pip on ubuntu 16.04? apt-get install python-pip says "Unable to locate package"
[15:17] <blackflow> !info python-pip
[15:17] <blackflow> !info python-pip xenial
[15:17] <blackflow> diverdude: did you enable the Universe repo?
[15:18] <diverdude> blackflow: no...how do i do that?
[15:19] <jinzo78> blackflow sorry for the late reply, I was trying with another keyboard
[15:19] <blackflow> diverdude: see the links given to plasmid right after you logged in
[15:19] <ducasse> diverdude: 'sudo add-apt-repository universe'
[15:19] <jinzo78> Anyway, I don't think that a normal fullscreen Firefox window hijacks those shortcuts, could it?
[15:20] <blackflow> jinzo78: no, but your DE/WM of choice could
[15:20] <blackflow> ctrl+alt+F# shoudl work under gnome, for example
[15:21] <jinzo78> blackflow I'm under GNOME and I can't...
[15:21] <blackflow> jinzo78: or try another tty, maybe F2 is taken
[15:21] <blackflow> try F3
[15:21] <jinzo78> blackflow I've tried all Fx from 1 to 7
[15:22] <jinzo78> no response
[15:22] <blackflow> ctrl + alt + F#   and not just ctrl  ?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F#
[15:22] <jinzo78> Tried both CTRL+ALT and CTRL, same result
[15:23] <blackflow> jinzo78: is this a regular Bionic installation? GDM for DM and GNOME for DE?
[15:23] <jinzo78> blackflow yes
[15:24] <Miar> Hi, just bumping this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1802052
[15:24] <BluesKaj> jinzo78, check your Fn key if this is a laptop
[15:25] <blackflow> jinzo78: sorry I don't know why, or what the solution would be
[15:25] <jinzo78> BluesKaj it's not a laptop :/  and I tried two different external keyboards
[15:25] <jinzo78> blackflow no problem, no one knows everything
[15:26] <jinzo78> My actual problem is the "cannot allocate memory" issue, because I know how to solve it under the server now (systemd) but not under the client
[15:28] <diverdude> hi, how do i downgrade to kernel linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic?
[15:29] <blackflow> jinzo78: pretty much the same way, there's no difference in that regard. except that with GUI you're under different defautl cgroup/slice
[15:30] <blackflow> jinzo78: my bet is on tmpfs getting filled up. /run probably.   it happened in the past that journald for example would eat up all the tmpfs RAM and lock the machine. that should've been resolved by now and by default journal is now persistent on disk
[15:32] <diverdude> can i even downgrade kernel in when booted on a live ubuntu?
[15:32] <blackflow> diverdude: you can install <another> version and reboot into it. only like that.
[15:33] <diverdude> blackflow: ok, where can i download an ubuntu with kernel linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic ?
[15:34] <blackflow> diverdude: isn't that regular kernel on Xenial?
[15:34] <blackflow> !info linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic
[15:34] <blackflow> !info linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic xenial
[15:35] <diverdude> blackflow: is there no URL?
[15:35] <blackflow> diverdude: what _exactly_ are you trying to do? which ubuntu, what, and why?
[15:35] <diverdude> blackflow: i need to download new ISO file right?
[15:36] <diverdude> blackflow: i have a malfunctioning FTDI device and i need to test it with an older kernel somehow
[15:36] <jinzo78> blackflow I've checked again df -h now
[15:36] <blackflow> diverdude: on Xenial?
[15:36] <jinzo78> (it is not in failing state)
[15:36] <diogoc> hi all
[15:36] <jinzo78> The difference is not in /run, but in /dev/shm
[15:36] <diverdude> does not really matter actually
[15:39] <blackflow> diverdude: thing is, kernel and systemd should be more on less in lock-step feature-wise. it is supported to install a newer kernel, but not the other way around. You could try installing the deb directly, I suppose
[15:40] <blackflow> diverdude: see  https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic   see the table Download...   near the bottom of the page, then click on the architecture in that table, eg. amd64
[15:40] <diverdude> blackflow: amd64 is just standard 64bit right?
[15:40] <blackflow> then you can install it with   dpkg -i <that file>     but... you should probably remove your existing kernel package first.
[15:41] <diverdude> blackflow: ok, how do i do that?
[15:41] <tgm4883> removing the existing kernel seems like a bad idea
[15:41] <blackflow> diverdude: see one line above.   but note that this is NOT supported. no idea what will happen or if it will run at all.
[15:41] <blackflow> tgm4883: well yeah. but I don't know if those packages can co-install like that.
[15:41] <tgm4883> also, use apt to install .deb files, not dpkg
[15:42] <blackflow> diverdude: perhaps listen to tgm4883 and don't remove the existing kernel first
[15:43] <tgm4883> blackflow: diverdude the packages should be able to coexist just fine
[15:43] <tgm4883> assuming I've read enough backlog and you're attempting to install a different version of the linux kernel
[15:44] <cryptodan> but what is the issue that diverdude is trying to solve ?
[15:44] <blackflow> jinzo78: Use at 100% ?
[15:44] <tgm4883> you'll probably also want the cooresponding -headers and -modules packages
[15:45] <tgm4883> cryptodan: "i have a malfunctioning FTDI device and i need to test it with an older kernel somehow"
[15:45] <jinzo78> blackflow no, it raised from 29 to about 40 MB (of 2,9 GB total). But now it decreased again
[15:45] <jinzo78> to 29 MB
[15:46] <blackflow> tgm4883: what modules package tho? aren't all the module packed together with the kernel?
[15:46] <blackflow> ah, there's linux-image-extra-<version>-generic
[15:46] <cryptodan> diverdude: any errors that can be shared via dpaste.com or other paste site?
[15:47] <blackflow> jinzo78: that's irrelevant then.
[15:47] <tgm4883> blackflow: no, there's a 'linux-modules-extra-<version>' and a 'linux-headers-<version>' package
[15:47] <geri> hi, can someone tell me whats this error about? https://ideone.com/qv1eMF
[15:47] <blackflow> !info linux-module-extra-4.4.0-21-generic xenial
[15:47] <blackflow> tgm4883: are you sure?
[15:47] <blackflow> !info linux-modules-extra-4.4.0-21-generic xenial
[15:48] <blackflow> !info linux-image-extra-4.4.0-21-generic xenial
[15:48] <jinzo78> blackflow as I thought... But if /run is not the problem (2 MB used of 579 MB), /dev/shm is not the problem (the increases are not critical), what could the problem be?
[15:48] <Pozzo> hello
[15:48] <blackflow> and headers aren't needed unless you're building a module, or have a DKMS package (like nvidia)
[15:48] <diverdude> cryptodan: my FTDI linear actuator hangs i cannot communicate with it
[15:49] <Pozzo> Hi... I've an issue with a fresh install of 18.04LTS on an old Dell laptop E5400 (core i5, etc)
[15:49] <diverdude> cryptodan: no errorsæ... it just hangs when i try to communicate with it
[15:49] <blackflow> jinzo78: but you're looking at it now. you should look at that when it starts to fail for OOM. situations that lead to that can be short and transient and observable only when they happen
[15:50] <blackflow> jinzo78: anyway, I have to split now, good luck.
[15:50] <jinzo78> blackflow thanks for all!
[15:50] <Pozzo> all is seems ok when I boot ... but once I've entered the login/passwd of the user account : the screen turn black with just the white cursor moving... and it's blicking with my external display (connected by VGA port)
[15:51] <Pozzo> if I disconnect the external display... it works...
[15:52] <Pozzo> before the login has been completed : the GDM is displayed correctly (the purple background is displayed on the main laptop screen AND on the external screen too.. and the cursor can move over the 2 screen...)
[15:52] <tgm4883> geri: which error? The one about the missing packages or the one where you ask about a distro not supported in this channel?
[15:52] <Pozzo> any help will be very appreciate...
[15:53] <tgm4883> blackflow: yes, although maybe it was named different in the 4.4 version?
[15:54] <blackflow> tgm4883: looks like it changed recently yes
[15:54] <blackflow> bbl
[16:23] <HipHop-openbox> Can I install screenkey in Openbox?
[16:25] <Irritiable|LT> What is "screenkey?"
[16:25] <Irritiable|LT> Accessibility?
[16:28] <HipHop-openbox> Screencast like key-mon
[16:29] <HipHop-openbox> IrritiablyLT you all right?
[16:30] <HipHop-openbox> I was looking at dependencies. Cause I don't want to install gnome to get screenkey to function in lxde openbox
[16:32] <HipHop-openbox> Also looked at key-mon for same dependencies to see if I can get around package installs of this nature...
[16:32] <HipHop-openbox> Anyways I have answered my own question
[16:47] <bluesk> anyone here that can help me for a minute my computer keeps force shutdown?
[16:50] <bluesk> i am asking here because I am pretty desperate, been trying to fix it myself for 2 weeks..
[16:51] <tomreyn> bluesk: this is usually a hardware issue.
[16:51] <bluesk> is there any way to disable the force shutdown argh...
[16:52] <tomreyn> bluesk: has it been working reliably before, if so, what have you changed, if not, what else happened 2 weeks ago?
[16:52] <bluesk> yes thank you, i shall explain...
[16:52] <tomreyn> i assume that by "force shutdown" you mean spontaneous power off?
[16:52] <bluesk> when I do something heavy, like compile GCC or compile the kernel it will "ubuntu will shutdown in 60 seconds"
[16:53] <tomreyn> hmm, that's unusual. which ubuntu version is this?
[16:53] <bluesk> but I am on said computer now, it wont shutdown just playing music and typing to you it will never shutdown
[16:53] <Irritiable|LT> kernel_panic?
[16:53] <tgm4883> bluesk: laptop/desktop?
[16:54] <bluesk> laptop thank you guys
[16:54] <tgm4883> my money is on heat
[16:54] <tomreyn> bluesk: there's no hit on a web search for "ubuntu will shut down in", so i don't think "ubuntu will shutdown in 60 seconds" is the message it prints
[16:54] <bluesk> well not the exact message it comes up with hold on...
[16:54] <tgm4883> ...
[16:55] <Irritiable|LT> Windows/Ubuntu XD
[16:55] <bluesk> it says..
[16:55] <bluesk> Shut down this system now? "this system will be automatically shutdown in 60... 59..."
[16:56] <bluesk> and it only happens when I am compiling GCC or the kernel
[16:56] <tomreyn> so this message would display if you press the power button, triggering the acpi shutdown signal.
[16:56] <bluesk> I do not have the experience with ubuntu to manually disable this message
[16:57] <bluesk> yes it is the same message it is as if someone is clicking shutdown on my computer...
[16:57] <tomreyn> there are other ways to trigger this signal, including by software. ubuntu would not normally display this message as a result of the system running hot or as an immediate result of compiling software.
[16:57] <tomreyn> bluesk: which ubuntu version is this?
[16:57] <bluesk> ubuntu mate
[16:58] <tomreyn> that's the flavour. i mean the output of "lsb_release -ds"
[16:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'm developing a service. where on the filesystem should i drop the env file on ubuntu? /etc/env.d/ doesn't seem to be a thing.
[16:59] <bluesk> tomreyn 18.10 server with ubuntu-mate as the gui that i used
[17:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> should i just go with /etc/myservice/foo?
[17:00] <tomreyn> bluesk: is it fully updated? which 3rd party software and apt respoitories are configured and installed?
[17:00] <bluesk> tomreyn: it has been updated all types of software I have installed ive even installed AMD's OpenCL software just to use the drivers
[17:01] <tonyt> for anyone following Linux On Galaxy, they changed the name https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/11/linux-on-dex-ubuntu
[17:01] <bluesk> ive installed intel C++ compiler to use their CPU drivers
[17:02] <bluesk> apt repositories are default hey could not having the 32-bit libraries cause this problem?
[17:02] <tomreyn> no
[17:02] <bluesk> I compile GCC with --disable-multilib
[17:02] <bluesk> oh ok
[17:03] <tgm4883> bluesk: I'm doubtful that it's caused by compiling. I still think it's heat/cpu stress
[17:04] <bluesk> right but I want to manually disable it from shutting down
[17:05] <tgm4883> bluesk: You're assuming that it's malfunctioning and not shutting down to protect your hardware?
[17:06] <bluesk> tgm: I am assuming that you are right, that it is overheating, and I want to keep running it anyway
[17:07] <tgm4883> bluesk: out of curiosity, is there anything in /var/log/syslog that would indicate the purpose of the shutdown?
[17:07] <tgm4883> !tab | bluesk
[17:07] <Irritiable|LT> I disabled my logs eons ago. :3
[17:08] <tgm4883> Irritiable|LT: good thing I wasn't asking you for them then...
[17:08] <Irritiable|LT> That is a good thing!
[17:08] <Irritiable|LT> In fact: It's grrrrreat!
[17:09] <tgm4883> !ot | Irritiable|LT
[17:09] <Irritiable|LT> Good point.
[17:09] <Irritiable|LT> !ot | tgm4883
[17:09] <Irritiable|LT> [11:08:34] <tgm4883> Irritiable|LT: good thing I wasn't asking you for them then...
[17:11] <tomreyn> bluesk: running this may get us something to work with:   sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -fys install 2>&1; sudo apt-get -fyVs dist-upgrade 2>&1; ); journalctl -b | pastebinit
[17:12] <bluesk> yes I was in the process of pastebin you the ....
[17:15] <bluesk> doesnt allow that much to paste
[17:17] <tomreyn> bluesk: which pastebin are you using?
[17:17] <bluesk> pastebin.com
[17:18] <bluesk> Nov  8 07:55:08 p370sm sensors[1271]: Core 3:        +76.0°C  (high = +84.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[17:18] <tomreyn> no one here recommended using pastebin.com
[17:18] <tomreyn> !paste | bluesk
[17:19] <tomreyn> the second command's output might be too long, indeed. but ithen you don't seem to have tried to run those anyways.
[17:20] <bluesk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dWxqqfzvkn/
[17:20] <bluesk> thanks
[17:26] <Irritiable|LT> !weather 78753
[17:26] <tomreyn> bluesk: you booted with the 'ro' parameter, is this a live / installer image?
[17:26] <tomreyn> !ot | Irritiable|LT
[17:28] <bluesk> tomreyn: I installed using a ubuntu server 18.10
[17:28] <bluesk> using a ubuntu server 18.10 live cd...
[17:28] <bluesk> the sudo apt install ubuntu-mate*
[17:30] <tomreyn> bluesk: i assume you probably chose to boot to the recovery menu, then chose to boot the system up fully from there.
[17:34] <arooni> /exit
[17:40] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: this message keeps repeating on your logs: dbus-daemon: Unknown group "power" in message bus configuration file; dbus-daemon: [system] Reloaded configuration
[17:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> doh, /etc/default/myservice
[17:41] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: sorry this wasnt for you, but dorr Bluesk
[17:41] <tomreyn> *for
[17:47] <Apachez> any of you who have a recommended way to reformat microsd-cards in ubuntu?
[17:49] <lordcirth> Apachez, reformat to what filesystem?
[17:54] <jayjo> I can't scp a file from a server that I just chown'd with a permission denied error. I'm connecting with the user (ubuntu) that owns the file (ubuntu:ubuntu) - what else can I look into?
[17:55] <Apachez> lordcirth: just any, this microsd card seems to not accept writes but ubuntu doesnt complain (18.10)
[17:55] <Apachez> lsblk verifies its not readonly
[17:55] <Apachez> and no lock button is enabled
[17:56] <jayjo> I see that the permissions are `-rw-------` - do I need more for scp?
[17:56] <lordcirth> jayjo, are you sure you have permission to write the file on the other end?
[17:56] <lordcirth> Apachez, and your user has write permission to the mountpoint?
[17:56] <TheFuzzStone> Hi!
[17:57] <lordcirth> Apachez, What error do you get when you try to write?
[17:57] <lordcirth> TheFuzzStone, hi
[17:57] <Apachez> no error
[17:57] <Apachez> here is how I tried to force it into a reformat:
[17:57] <Apachez> plug it into the box (microsd hc 8gb samsung card into a samsung microsd to sd adapter, lockbutton is disabled)
[17:58] <TheFuzzStone> Nice! You see my messages! (I'm not familiar with IRC).
[17:58] <Apachez> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=100
[17:58] <TheFuzzStone> I have a question. There is a possibility to see what was going on before I came to some channel?
[17:58] <Apachez> cfdisk /dev/mmcblk1
[17:58] <tgm4883> TheFuzzStone: no. This is the support channel so it wouldn't be relevant anyway
[17:58] <Apachez> there are now no partitions (because of the dd above), create one single primary dos partition of type: 0C (W95 LBA)
[17:59] <Apachez> run mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1
[17:59] <TheFuzzStone> tgm4883: I'm asking in general.
[17:59] <Apachez> mount mmcblk1p1
[17:59] <Apachez> touch /media/ubuntu/<id of the partition>/hepp.txt
[17:59] <Apachez> vi /media/ubuntu/<id of the partition>/hepp.txt         fills it with some text and save it
[17:59] <Apachez> run    cat /media/ubuntu/<id of the partition>/hepp.txt    to see the content
[18:00] <Apachez> sync
[18:00] <tgm4883> TheFuzzStone: not anything close to real time
[18:00] <Apachez> remove the sd adapter with the microsd inside
[18:00] <Apachez> reinsert it
[18:00] <Apachez> old partions are back (2 of them) with the previous files... that hepp.txt is nowhere to be seen
[18:02] <TJ-> Apachez: that has been a fairly common issue with SD-cards; usually it's a problem with the firmware/controller in the device (or the adapter)
[18:02] <TJ-> Apachez: It *seems* to work because the writes go into the kernel page cache and and subsequent reads come from there
[18:05] <TJ-> Apachez: I once had that with the laptop's built-in MMC controller; I put the micro-SD card in a USB adapter and was able to dd if=/dev/zero the entire device, after which it behaved with the MMC - my hypothesis is it needed that to do garbage-collect and re-map failed blocks
[18:07] <Apachez> tnx
[18:07] <Apachez> Im trying with a usb adaptor now instead of that sd adapter
[18:10] <c|oneman> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 on an android box that has had a custom-image cobbled together for it. The barrier to updating to 16.04 seems to be the custom kernel they put 3.0.36+. Does a kenel 4.x exist for my device? It's an RK3188 ARM chip. Also it uses U-boot or something instead of grub.
[18:11] <FxSubzero> hi
[18:11] <FxSubzero> i thing that can run ubuntu-mate for raspberry
[18:12] <FxSubzero> sory, i have a bad enghish
[18:12] <FxSubzero> https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[18:13] <lordcirth> FxSubzero, you want to install ubuntu mate on a raspberry pi?
[18:13] <FxSubzero> yes
[18:14] <lordcirth> FxSubzero, ok, and what problem are you having?
[18:14] <FxSubzero> i think <c|oneman> device can run ubuntu-mate for raspberry pi
[18:14] <FxSubzero> i have no problem, runs very well
[18:14] <FxSubzero> :)
[18:15] <lordcirth> Oh ok
[18:15] <c|oneman> FxSubzero: what device do you have
[18:16] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. When I start mate-terminal, how do I start it with a shell other than bash?
[18:16] <FxSubzero> pi 3 b+
[18:17] <Apachez> nope didnt work
[18:17] <FxSubzero> with Cortex-A53
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> Richard_Cavell: You might find better assistance in the #ubuntu-mate channel
[18:27] <wilkinsmicawber> the installation of ubuntu I pick shouldn't impact operating speed if i'm booting to terminal, correct?
[18:28] <wilkinsmicawber> aside from boot time
[18:28] <leftyfb> huh?
[18:29] <wilkinsmicawber> ubuntu has all these system requirements for all the different versions
[18:29] <wilkinsmicawber> but i'm assuming that's just if you use the desktop
[18:29] <wilkinsmicawber> i want to download ubuntu mate to get the gnome backend up front
[18:29] <leftyfb> if you're only booting to terminal, install ubuntu server
[18:29] <wilkinsmicawber> i eventually want to run a gnome program in a low-end window manager
[18:30] <leftyfb> lxde would be better for that as opposed to mate
[18:30] <blackflow> gnome program... you mean gtk program?
[18:30] <wilkinsmicawber> even if i set it up to boot to terminal and then some other window manager?
[18:30] <wilkinsmicawber> ya
[18:30] <blackflow> gtk3?
[18:30] <wilkinsmicawber> right
[18:31] <blackflow> mate's not bad, or xfce even.
[18:32] <wilkinsmicawber> going to be booting to fluxbox
[18:32] <blackflow> I'd go with open box if you don't need a full DE
[18:32] <blackflow> or flux yeah
[18:32] <blackflow> I used to run openbox for steam as gnome negatively impacts performance
[18:33] <wilkinsmicawber> just hoping no part of that 3gb system rec. for mate is for background processes that run regardless of the desktop being launched
[18:37] <blackflow> wilkinsmicawber: hmm?
[18:39] <CoolerZ> ok something REALLY WEIRD just happened
[18:40] <wilkinsmicawber> @blackflow the mate page recommends 3gb ram for installation, but i'm assuming that's just for if you're using their desktop
[18:40] <CoolerZ> i opened a folder in visual studio code and now if i click the file explorer it opens visual studio code
[18:40] <CoolerZ> and opens the folder in visual studio code
[18:40] <CoolerZ> That has to be a bug or something
[18:40] <TheWild> hello
[18:41] <CoolerZ> I didn't know it was possible to change the default application to use when opening folders
[18:42] <blackflow> CoolerZ: what!
[18:42] <CoolerZ> ok i fixed it by opening system monitor and killing nautilus
[18:42] <CoolerZ> now its returned to normal
[18:43] <CoolerZ> blackflow, thats exactly what i said
[18:43] <blackflow> CoolerZ: isn't visual studio a snap?
[18:44] <kur1j> anyone have suggestions on resolving this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autofs/+bug/40189/ I've tried every single suggestion listed in the bug report but not having any luck
[18:44] <TheWild> does someone know the Nestopia emulator in apt repository is somewhat modified version of the https://github.com/0ldsk00l/nestopia or just the author f'd it up so badly?
[18:44] <TheWild> my emulator is missing a lot of advanced options and has no support for keyboard... I mean *Subor* keyboard.
[18:44] <tgm4883> blackflow: it's both a snap and a deb
[18:45] <blackflow> I see
[18:45] <blackflow> but there's no mimetype on folders to open them with a custom app like that. I wonder what happened there
[18:52] <TheWild> I know. The idiot uploading it to apt messed up with flags when compiling it, thinking advanced settings aren't necessary.
[18:52] <TheWild> Compiling it myself :/
[19:11] <Apachez> wtf, this microsd just refuses to get deleted - this is getting personal!
[19:12] <TJ-> Apachez: you sound to be having 'fun' :)
[19:15] <TJ-> TheWild: I don't see any missing configure flags; what is missing? (BTW, it is a package imported from Debian)
[19:16] <TheWild> hmm... I don't know yet, I'm compiling it myself and testing.
[19:16] <TJ-> TheWild: it doesn't provide much in the way of configure options: ao, jack, gui and doc
[19:16] <TheWild> But for example menu should have way more options, e.g. selecting what device is connected to given port
[19:17] <TheWild> TJ-: I suspect there are flags inside the code
[19:18] <TJ-> TheWild: I don't see anything aside from the configure script's library-detection. debian/rules isn't missing anything or disabling either
[19:20] <TheWild> no idea. The problem I'm facing is that I'm running "Study and Game 32-in-1" (the cart for those Famicom clones with keyboard), which requires Subor keyboard. The Windows version automatically detected it and even I was able to change it to something else.
[19:21] <TheWild> btw, this cart was chosen because it has BASIC interpreter and I want to prove some hacky stuff
[19:22] <TheWild> the code for Subor keyboard definitely exist in current Nestopia code
[19:24] <Apachez> TJ-: damn that collegue who first tried the sdcard.org reformatter, which failed and then "hey - Apachez probably would like to take a look at this" :)
[19:24] <Apachez> so here is my weekend ;)
[19:25] <Apachez> dd: writing to '/dev/sdf': No space left on device
[19:25] <Apachez> 15415297+0 records in
[19:25] <Apachez> 15415296+0 records out
[19:25] <Apachez><PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (7,9 GB, 7,4 GiB) copied, 1501,16 s, 5,3 MB/s
[19:26] <TheWild> okay TJ-, give me a while
[19:26] <TheWild> maybe it's just i3wm broken
[19:26] <Apachez> I synced, I physically unplugged the usb adapter
[19:27] <Apachez> reinserted it... and the damn original partitions are still there !1111111111111111oneonggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:28] <TheWild> how there could be "No space left on device" when you're writing directly to a *block* device?
[19:29] <TJ-> Apachez: so the device firmware is refusing to write; presumably there's a bug or its got to many blocks retired
[19:29] <TJ-> TheWild: no space left is when you try to write beyond the end of the device
[19:29] <TheWild> ah ok. That was confusing
[19:33] <Apachez> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[19:33] <Apachez> sdf      8:80   1   7,4G  0 disk
[19:33] <Apachez> ├─sdf1   8:81   1   243M  0 part /media/ubuntu/49C0-945E
[19:33] <Apachez> └─sdf2   8:82   1   6,9G  0 part /media/ubuntu/90d8a831-40b8-410d-9bc1-dfd254a4fe8d
[19:33] <Apachez> TJ-: device firmware? its a damn microsd card... there is no room for firmware there :P
[19:33] <blackflow> !paste
[19:35] <Kyros> what is the login manager server called in ubuntu
[19:35] <Kyros> service
[19:36] <TJ-> Apachez: they all have a controller and firmware; it does wear levelling/block reallocation,etc.
[19:36] <Apachez> question is how I can force to rewrite the damn microsd card
[19:36] <blackflow> Kyros: systemd-logind? or are you talking about the desktop manager?
[19:36] <Kyros> desktop manager
[19:38] <Kyros> its just gdm
[19:42] <Kyros> its listed as static which is why i didnt see it
[20:00] <TJ-> Apachez: what make/model is it?
[20:03] <Apachez> samsung 8gb microsd hc
[20:03] <coconut> Apachez: i had (mount) problems too a few weeks ago with two SD cards.  Just so you know you're not the only one. ;)
[20:23] <TheWild> TJ-: figured out. The author "cleaned up" the interface while porting it to Linux
[20:23] <TheWild> Damn, what a pain
[20:23] <TheWild> commit 5942049
[20:23] <TJ-> TheWild: at least you now know :)
[20:33] <Apachez> output of f3probe (I first unmounted the partitions of the microsd) https://pastebin.com/QdkHfy1T
[20:36] <TJ-> Apachez: so, the device is foobar then
[20:46] <Apachez> https://pastebin.com/BJYD4uHh    1st partition, trying 2nd now...
[20:46] <Blubberbop> test
[20:46] <phoenixz> test
[20:50] <phoenixz> Installing Ubuntu server 16.04 (This version is required for Virtualizor, hence not using 18.04) with RAID0 drives, encryption, then LVM.. Install works perfectly, but upon reboot, it appears the system boots, and starts checking for LVM groups while it hasn't done decryption yet.. It first appers to look for the volume group "system" which doesn't exist, because ubuntu itself put "vps2-vg" for the system volume group.. Then I do see some other
[20:50] <phoenixz> LVM error messages and then a message "Begin: Waiting for encrypted source device..."
[20:51] <TJ-> phoenixz: RAID-0 (stripes) across raw disks or partitions? do you have /etc/crypttab entries for both?
[20:52] <phoenixz> Does anybody here know how I could solve this? I've googled which gave me loads of results from 2009, and I even tried them but they are no longer relevant.. I've been at this for hours, I think there is an issue in the initrd.img file, which I tried to unpack as stated in https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1138779&p=7159100#post7159100 but the contents are completely different , I could only find a kernel file in there
[20:53] <phoenixz> TJ-: Two raw NVMe disks. They both make /dev/md127, and the ubunto setup for some reason put partitions in there, even though the drives themselves had partitions separated for that (I don't mind that, its only a few hundred lost MBs) and the encrypted device is /dev/md127p3, in /etc/crypttab there is an entry for md127p3_crytpt
[20:54] <TJ-> phoenixz: do you know how the initrd.img is built? you can do it manually with verbose logging to see what is found/included using "sudo update-initramfs -vu |& tee /tmp/initrd.log"
[20:54] <phoenixz> TJ-: So there is only one entry in crypttab
[20:54] <Apachez> aaand 2nd partition is foobared too: https://pastebin.com/3vfRPczF
[20:55] <phoenixz> TJ-: I am quite familiar with most of Linux, but the initrd.img is very new for me, trying to lean ASAP on the fly...  I'll try the command you specified, one sec (gotta type it manually on that server)
[20:55] <TJ-> phoenixz: well yes it will need partitions; the boot loader usually needs one, as well as the OS
[20:55] <phoenixz> TJ-: Correct, but the NVMe devices actually have 2 partitions (both) one 500MB for /boot and the rest for the encrypted stuff.. Hold on, doing the update-initramf...
[20:55] <TJ-> phoenixz: there is also the tool "unmkinitramfs" if you want to extract contents of an initrd - it can dela with an initrd that has a raw microcode update prefix
[20:56] <craigbass76> I'm trying to use a laptop with two monitors. I've got it all going, but I'd like one of the monitors to be a duplicate of the laptop's screen. Is that possible in GNOME3 ? How about Cinnamon? I'm in the latter.
[20:56] <TJ-> phoenixz: is it using UEFI or BIOS boot method?
[20:56] <TJ-> craigbass76: that's called mirroring
[20:56] <craigbass76> But the third screen, that needs to be it's own rig
[20:57] <craigbass76> TJ-, so it's kind of hybrid
[20:57] <TJ-> craigbass76: and yes, it is possible. the display manager tool should do it, or you can use the CLI tool "xrandr --output HDMI-X --same-as LVDS-Y"
[21:02] <phoenixz> TJ-: Just FYI: I'm doing this stuff on that server through a rescue USB. I booted the rescue drive, dropped to a shell, manually cryptsetup the drive, vgchange enabled the volume group, mounted the root LV in /mnt, then mount --bind proc dev and sys in there then chrooted in there so that I can work directly in that file system..
[21:03] <phoenixz> TJ-:  I ran update-initramfs, I saw a huge wall of text coming by, I take it you want that wall.. I'm checking if I can get SSH access so that I can pull the data from that server
[21:05] <phoenixz> TJ-: going over that wall, I see a warning from cryptsetyp "WARNING invalid line" which I already figured out is a warning that the crypt device in /etc/crypttab has to be the same name as I used to mount it myself manuall (I just mounted it as md127p3 and in crypttab its md127p3_crypt)
[21:05] <phoenixz> I already fixed that  before, tried the update-initramfs without any results, so I want to imagine that that warning is not important?
[21:07] <TJ-> phoenixz: any warning is important. The wall of text should be in /tmp/initrd.log
[21:08] <phoenixz> TJ-: I'll update the crypttab contents so that the name matches and retry, then at least that warning is out of the way, one sec
[21:09] <TJ-> phoenixz: if you're working in a chroot, and it has a separate /boot/ file-system, are you doing "mount -a" as soon as you enter the chroot so it is mounted - otherwise you'll be writing new initrd.img's into the root file-systems /boot/ directory, which at run-time isn't the one GRUB will see
[21:09] <TJ-> phoenixz: I'm assuming there is an entry in /etc/fstab for /boot/
[21:10] <phoenixz> TJ-: *slap* yeah! I completely forgot that one...
[21:11] <phoenixz> Rerunning it, attempting to get SSH access so that I can do it from this comptuer and dump that log output somewhere, one second
[21:17] <phoenixz> TJ-: Could not SSH into the machine for some reason, but I could SSH out.. Pasted the log output here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YQmxDdV6bK/
[21:18] <TJ-> phoenixz: I'll take a look
[21:19] <TJ-> phoenixz: you'd best pastebin the /etc/cryptab since it seems that is broken
[21:20] <pizzaburger> Hey all! I just installed 18.10 and it looks awesome! However, I can't find some of the settings available in previous versions. Where are Themes/Appearance/Hot Corners?
[21:20] <TJ-> phoenixz: if it is broken then the cryptsetup hooks won't be able to write a good /conf/conf.d/cryptroot table to the initrd.img
[21:20] <TJ-> phoenixz: I'll bet your extracted doesn't have a (good) /conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[21:21] <TJ-> pizzaburger: your extracte ^^initrd.img^^
[21:21] <phoenixz> TJ-: Wait, that one had the warning, this one doesn't https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BYQYwDdQ4g/
[21:22] <pizzaburger> TJ-: sorry, I don't really understand
[21:22] <TJ-> phoenixz: that one will work it added "Adding binary /lib/cryptsetup/askpass" - extract it, check it has a valid /conf/conf.d/cryptroot - and ensure it was written into the REAL /boot/
[21:22] <TJ-> pizzaburger: sorry, my tab-complete chose your nickname instead of phoenixz
[21:29] <phoenixz> TJ-: sorry for asking but  what is the best way to extract it? I tried cpio -vid < initrd.imgxxxx which gave me this:  kernel/x86/microcode/Authenticate.AMD that one file in that directory, that's it
[21:30] <TJ-> phoenixz: as I said earlier: unmkinitramfs
[21:30] <phoenixz> TJ-: I missed that one, sorry. trying now
[21:31] <TJ-> phoenixz: it knows about the early-microcode raw prefixes and deal with them. You'll get 2 directories: early/ and main/
[21:33] <phoenixz> TJ-: unnkinitramfs doesn't exist, tried apt search, doesn't find it
[21:34] <phoenixz> unmkinitramfs, I mean
[21:34] <TJ-> phoenixz: what release are you on?
[21:35] <phoenixz> 16.04
[21:35] <phoenixz> 16.04 is required for virtualizor, which is going to run on this server
[21:35] <phoenixz> TJ-: I'd want 18.04 but it's not supported at this time
[21:36] <TJ-> ahhh, the command was added in initramfs-tools 0.126
[21:36] <TJ-> !info initramfs-tools-core xenial
[21:36] <phoenixz> TJ-: Would that work on 16.04?
[21:36] <TJ-> phoenixz: in which case, you'd best grab a copy of the shell script I wrote before that command was added!
[21:37] <phoenixz> I just installed initramfs-tools-core but it wasn't there
[21:37] <phoenixz> :)
[21:37] <phoenixz> Out of sheer curiosity btw, are you an ubuntu or kernel dev?  You seem to know quite a lot about Ubuntu..
[21:38] <phoenixz> TJ-: What I just wrote above ^^^
[21:39] <pizzaburger> So it seems that I have to manually install some of the settings managers which used to come pre-installed before 18.10, like themes and hot corners. Why is that?
[21:39] <Tecan> virtualbox needs updating for security
[21:39] <TJ-> phoenixz: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/initrd-extract.bash    ... call it as "initrd-extract.bash /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)"
[21:39] <TJ-> pizzaburger: if you call it with no arguments it'll try (and fail in an endless loop) to extract all initrd.img files! (I need to fix that!)
[21:40] <TJ-> grrr, sorry pizzaburger !
[21:40] <phoenixz> TJ-:  working...
[21:40] <OerHeks> pizzaburger,  i think those are plugins now, see gnome-tweak-tool
[21:40] <TJ-> phoenixz: : if you call it with no arguments it'll try (and fail in an endless loop) to extract all initrd.img files! (I need to fix that!)
[21:41] <OerHeks> https://www.fosslinux.com/4184/how-to-enable-hot-corners-in-ubuntu-18-04.htm/
[21:41] <TJ-> phoenixz: I've been hacking on Ubuntu since 2005, and do a LOT of the far-out complicated stuff, as well as programming and bug-squashing
[21:41] <TJ-> phoenixz: I've been running LUKS encrypted systems for nearly 10 years I think.
[21:42] <pizzaburger> OerHeks: I see it now. Installed GNOME Tweaks 3.30.1 from software manager and I can see all the settings from the plugin, thanks!
[21:42] <pizzaburger> OerHeks: also appreciate the hot corners guide!
[21:43] <OerHeks> have fun!
[21:43] <phoenixz> TJ-:  I've worked on Linux / Ubuntu since 2004 I think, and with problems I've faced I've learned quite a lot by now, just not your level yet lol.. Been doing LUKS and LVM as well for as long as its there I think..
[21:43] <phoenixz> anyway, working on it
[21:44] <TJ-> phoenixz: I've recently been hacking on GRUB to add LUKS key-file and yubikey support, but had to pause on that due to other commitments. I do use encrypted /boot/ too
[21:45] <phoenixz> TJ-:  I'm happy with encrypted root, encrypted boot sounds too scary with all the problems I've faced already lol
[21:46] <TJ-> phoenixz: well there's no point in encrypted rootfs without encrypted /boot/ since anyone can easily interfere with the kernel and/or more likely initrd.img and capture your LUKS passphrase
[21:46] <phoenixz> TJ-:  mmmmmm I went over it and the contents in conf/conf.d/crypt looks okay now... But that is AFTER I ran mkinitramfs... so maybe just MAYBE it would already work. I'm going to try a reboot
[21:46] <phoenixz> TJ-: True.. But how would you do an encrypted boot, then?
[21:46] <TJ-> phoenixz: yes, that's what I suspect and mentioned earlier with that 2nd pastebin
[21:46] <phoenixz> Almost afraid to ask...
[21:47] <TJ-> phoenixz: GRUB has the "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y" - add that to /etc/default/grub (of course, encrypt the /boot/ file-system's partition first :)
[21:47] <TJ-> phoenixz: that works for when you have a local console so you can unlock, but not for keyfiles as yet
[21:50] <TJ-> phoenixz: I found for headless systems it's easier to use PXE boot to keep the kernel/initrd.img files protected and then can use something like dropbear or mandos
[21:51] <phoenixz> TJ-: sounds like that is still in the design phase?
[21:51] <phoenixz> TJ-: Boot failed, same problem.. I'll post a picture of console output
[21:51] <TJ-> phoenixz: what? mandos?
[21:51] <TJ-> GRUB_CRYPTODISK=y has been around for about 8 years I think
[21:52] <TJ-> oops, ^_ENABLE_
[21:53] <phoenixz> TJ-: https://imgur.com/a/aP5jcB5
[21:53] <phoenixz> TJ-: No, sorry, the boot of that server still failed with the same error
[21:54] <phoenixz> TJ-:  I am going to have to reboot into the USB, chroot and recheck the initramfs contents
[21:54] <phoenixz> TJ-:  Gotta go step for a minute first though, I'll be back later to retry..
[21:54] <phoenixz> TJ-: Thanks so far for all the help! You're a great rare dude, not many people left on IRC willing to respond and lend a hand!
[21:56] <TJ-> phoenixz: you'd best give me some log files: "pastebinit <( lsblk; cat /etc/fstab /etc/crypttab /proc/mdstat /proc/cmdline; ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ ) "
[21:57] <TJ-> phoenixz: you don't need to reboot, you can unlock from there - it should drop to the busybox shell so you can interact
[22:02] <TJ-> phoenixz: another tip, to do a controlled initialramfs shell, tap Esc to get to the GRUB boot menu, edit the entry and add "break=premount" to the linux... command-line, do Ctrl+X (or F10) to boot. You'll get the busybox shell. then you can identify the device you need to unlock ("blkid") and do "cryptsetup open --type luks /dev/sdXY crypt_root" (or whatever your device names are) then "exit" or Ctrl+D to
[22:02] <TJ-> resume the init script
[22:20] <fishcooker> could i downgrade to old version https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xd8Tn3c5kN/... i cant do sudo apt install thunderbird=38.6.0+build1-0ubuntu1
[22:22] <tomreyn> fishcooker: why wouöd you want to? the old version is unmaintained, is subject to publicly documented security vulnerabilities.
[22:23] <bray90820> How can I fix this error
[22:23] <bray90820> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'http://dl.google.com/linux/musicmanager/deb stable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[22:24] <OerHeks> bray90820,  disable or remove that .list, as it never installed any package
[22:24] <tomreyn> bray90820:  install an amd64 variant of ubuntu on hardware which supports it, or use software which provides i386 builds.
[22:26] <bray90820> Is any software from that repo required?
[22:26] <tomreyn> or make it say "deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/..." on your sources list if you're already using amd64
[22:26] <tomreyn> it's a third party repository you installed, we can't know what you require
[22:26] <bray90820> Oh wait that's my google music uploader ok nevermind now
[22:27] <tomreyn> ubuntu doesn't depend on it
[22:27] <bray90820> Yeah i just realized that once I figured out what it actually was
[22:29] <OerHeks> snap is also 64 bit only https://snapcraft.io/google-play-music-desktop-player
[22:32] <bray90820> OerHeks: Thanks but it's the uploader i am using not a player
[22:57] <fishcooker> tomreyn: because i need  the required addon supported on the previous version... actually on i actually did accidentally upgrade from /var/log/dpkg.log.1:2018-10-17 13:47:42 upgrade thunderbird:amd64 1:52.9.1+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> 1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> ... is it possible to roll-back?
[23:00] <Howie69> probably the wrong channel, but it's worth a try..
[23:08] <OerHeks> remove your current thunderbird and download the old debs?  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/  --- not sure it will work, you might need to use the pinning manual
[23:08] <OerHeks> !pinning
[23:09] <TJ-> fishcooker: which add-on is it that is no longer compatible?
[23:09] <OerHeks> you might better contact that plugin writers
[23:11] <tomreyn> fishcooker: wich addon is it?
[23:12] <tomreyn> Howie69: you didnt give it a try, though
[23:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: telepathic support :p
[23:12] <vimar> Hi all
[23:14] <tomreyn> :)
[23:15] <vimar> :-)
[23:23] <Greyztar> is there any one non rocket science kind of laymen terms explanation somewhere of netplan?
[23:24] <TJ-> Greyztar: netplan is a configuration generator, for either NetworkManager, or systemd-networkd
[23:25] <OerHeks> sure, these examples might clear up https://netplan.io/examples
[23:25] <Howie69> tomreyn: Lol
[23:25] <Howie69> tomreyn: I found something else to try first :)
[23:26] <Howie69> I format a flash drive as EXT2, but devices keep reading it as EXT4 from the ubuntu desktop
[23:26] <Greyztar> TJ-: so its not the new NetworkManager?Ive had a never ending fight with /etc/resolv.conf getting overwritten on reboot,says dhcpd overwritten or something,it kind of explains it if its just generating confs
[23:26] <Howie69> I wonder if it's the wrong partition type..
[23:26] <damiryden> hola!
[23:26] <Greyztar> OerHeks: thanks ill look into that :)
[23:27] <Greyztar> damiryden: hola (,")
[23:27] <TJ-> Greyztar: netplan just writes NM or systemd-networkd configs. If you're trying to manually alter /etc/rsolv.conf you're doing it wrong
[23:28] <TJ-> Greyztar: that file is usually a symbolic link to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf, which is updated by the resolvconf package, from data generated by whichever network manager is in use
[23:28] <TJ-> Greyztar: what is it you are trying to achieve? ignore DHCP nameservers in favour of your own static set?
[23:29] <Greyztar> TJ-: that explains the lengthy struggles hehe,ive been busy with so much else ive not taken the time to properly investigate it,ive just testet few things ,and it worked atleast for a while and then go about other things,time to to a proper read up
[23:29] <Greyztar> TJ-: spot on yes ,ive got my own nameserver i want to use :)
[23:30] <TJ-> Greyztar: and you're using Network Manager?
[23:30] <OerHeks> edit /etc/netplan , sudo netplan apply https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/
[23:30] <TJ-> Greyztar: is this for a desktop system, or a server?
[23:31] <TJ-> Greyztar: desktops shouldn't be using netplan
[23:31] <Greyztar> TJ-: i feel kind of dumb,to be honoust i dont know,ive been editing interface files abit here and there and things atleast work until reboot which i rarely do,sorry i feel dumb,ill go read abit before using your expertise
[23:31] <Greyztar> OerHeks: Thanks ill try that also
[23:31] <TJ-> Greyztar: if you edit /etc/network/interfaces, that is part of the (deprecated) ifupdown package. When you have an entry in there, the default install of NetworkManager will ignore that interface
[23:31] <Greyztar> TJ-: sorry im using server
[23:32] <TJ-> Greyztar: OK, so by default server uses systemd-networkd
[23:32] <Greyztar> TJ-: this explains alot,i suspected systemd was giving me this troubles
[23:33] <Greyztar> TJ-: but please,let me hit google for now,thank alot for your time,ill step back and do a proper reading,again thanks
[23:33] <TJ-> Greyztar: so instead of relying on netplan, you should drop that, and manually write a /etc/systemd/network/mynetwork.network
[23:35] <Greyztar> TJ-: ill look into that aswell thanks alot (,") time to get proper network up,little tired of always resort to console when rebooting,man i feel stupid ,well im off to google,ill figure it out,thanks for mentioning systemd in that setting
[23:35] <pi0> how do i change the color of the locked screen
[23:35] <pi0> it sill the standard purple
[23:36] <pi0> or default purple
[23:36] <TJ-> Greyztar: this is what you need: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7mX88j2Q5q/
[23:36] <Greyztar> TJ-: let me see thanks
[23:37] <TJ-> Greyztar: change the interface name and nameserver values to your preferences; rename the file if you want (as long as it is .network suffix)
[23:37] <Greyztar> TJ-: Sweet!
[23:37] <TJ-> Greyztar: and remove any /etc/netplan/* files
[23:37] <TJ-> Greyztar: and anything in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:38] <TJ-> Greyztar: to load that do "sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd"
[23:39] <Greyztar> TJ-: ill do this,yeah probably interfaces i saw that deprecatiated,im kinda of guilty there,again always the hard way learn i must (,") its just so much awsome stuff im doing these days with containers and automation,gets easily sidetracked
[23:40] <TJ-> Greyztar: I know the feeling! I spent 4 hours today trying to figure out why IPv6 RA SLAAC had stopped wotking on one of my servers, and went around the houses until someone spotted a sysctl setting had changed! still don't know what changed it
[23:41] <pi0> does anyone know how to change the locked screen color or add wall paper to it
[23:41] <Greyztar> TJ-: but man that feeling when things atrt working ohh the joy! im used to manual windows labour,now ive started using sed to edit larger text files,so easily and no more tire hands hehe
[23:42] <TJ-> pi0: I think that depends on which screen locker is in use
[23:43] <Greyztar> TJ-: ipv6 im really emberrased to say,ive not started that chapter,im going to dual stack my vps after i got ipv4 so i might learn some then
[23:50] <fishcooker> tomreyn: lightning, sogo connector... did you use the latest thunderbird... any alternative for used addon would be appreciated
[23:51] <TJ-> fishcooker: v60 has lightning either as a built-in, or an easy to add add-on. Not sure about sogo though
[23:51] <fishcooker> sometimes i just need the apps works this upgrade kill the functionality that i used to
[23:52] <fishcooker> checking TJ-
[23:52] <TJ-> fishcooker: what is this "sogo" - cannot find a reference that makes sense
[23:53] <Greyztar>  isnt sogo webui mail something?
[23:54] <Greyztar> i used it with redmail server i think
[23:54] <tomreyn> fishcooker: you install xul-ext-lightning
[23:55] <fishcooker> sogo connector for sogo webapps by google AFAIK... they provide the crafted addon for their service
[23:55] <fishcooker> checking tomreyn
[23:55] <Greyztar> ohh and also front ends/extension to thunderbird
[23:55] <Greyztar> frontend*
[23:58] <fishcooker> cool tomreyn TJ- i see the calendar on the menu... thanks for pointing
[23:59] <fishcooker> the lightning addon more critical rather than sogo ... because sogo just an dav address book syncing