[12:00] <howrealisreal> okay. thanks anyway
[12:00] <farruinn> howrealisreal: I don't think that's an exactly simple task
[12:00] <howrealisreal> i have to remake the kernel?
[12:00] <farruinn> maybe, what's the error you get on boot?
[12:00] <mjt> howrealisreal: since it's being loaded somewhere, it should be listed in some config file, and all config files are in /etc.  So, fgrep -r floppy /etc will help...
[12:01] <mjt> howrealisreal: does it sound logical? ;)
[12:01] <howrealisreal> it says when i boot up, something to the extent of: modprobe error initiating floppy.ko, fd0 device does not exist
[12:01] <farruinn> aren't some things set in the initrd.img itself?
[12:01] <howrealisreal> yeah i think i know what you mean
[12:01] <howrealisreal> i looked in /etc/modules.conf bu there wasn't anything there about floppy drives
[12:02] <farruinn> howrealisreal: that doesn't exactly sound like a fatal error...
[12:02] <howrealisreal> it says it is a fatal error but it doesn't hang the boot up
[12:02] <howrealisreal> i just want to get rid of it so i get no errors on startup
[12:02] <mjt> farruinn: initrd is build based on configs found in that some /etc directory ;)
[12:02] <farruinn> well, probably fatal for modprobe, but not for boot
[12:02] <howrealisreal> yeah exactly
[12:02] <howrealisreal> triple5soul
[12:02] <howrealisreal> sorry
[12:02] <farruinn> mjt: then why do I need to modify my initrd.img to make my B&W G3 bootable?
[12:02] <howrealisreal> wrong window
[12:02] <tjs> mjt: python2.4-unit
[12:03] <tjs> I just removed the universe from the apt-source line and its not giving me all the python issues
[12:03] <farruinn> mjt: if you're interested: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[12:03] <tjs> now I just get a conflict with gimp vs gimp-python
[12:03] <mjt> tjs: Depends: python2.4, python2.4-tk
[12:03] <eliasson> whats the difference between warty and hoary unsept hoary is in developer?
[12:04] <eliasson> is there a special cd for hoary or is it just the apt-package?
[12:04] <farruinn> eliasson: check the website, that will explain it far better than we could
[12:04] <tjs> mjt: yeh, but there is no pyhton2.4 package, only python2.4-0ubuntu6
[12:04] <mjt> farruinn: i know exactly nothing about macx
[12:04] <tjs> which dpkg doesnt think is the same
[12:04] <mjt> tjs: it IS python-2.4, with release 0ubuntu6
[12:04] <Riddell> hybrid: what is tux mag?
[12:05] <farruinn> mjt: that doesn't change the fact that I can't simply modify something in /etc to change which modules are loaded, I have to edit loadmodules in initrd.img
[12:05] <tjs> mjt: yes i know, but apt/dpkg doesnt
[12:05] <eliasson> i cant see any hoary-release on their page.
[12:05] <mjt> eliasson: there's none because hoary isn't released yet
[12:05] <hybrid> Riddell a lot of kde  tips and howtos anda few  product reviews
[12:05] <hybrid> notthing hardcore tho
[12:06] <eliasson> mjt: oh :/
[12:06] <Riddell> hybrid: which country?
[12:06] <Riddell> hybrid: is it available online?
[12:06] <mjt> tjs: and in universe, there's indeed some different Depends: line
[12:06] <hybrid> Riddell yea h/o ill get u thee link
[12:06] <tjs> yeh
[12:06] <tjs> how do I make apt forget what its trying to install
[12:07] <howrealisreal> i dont see anything in any of the config files in /etc that calls up the floppy module
[12:10] <tjs> Im now in a state where whenever I try to run apt it fails trying to resolve gimp / gimp-python, I cant even get it to just remove gimp alltogether, im more interested in having a working gnome
[12:10] <mjt> howrealisreal: are you sure? say, /etc/modules?
[12:10] <hybrid> Riddell ; download2.ssc.com/tux/
[12:11] <mjt> tjs: you can always use dpkg for that sort of stuff.  In this case, dpkg -r gimp
[12:11] <Riddell> hybrid: Error 403 "Access forbidden!"
[12:11] <hybrid> Riddell ;try ssc.com/tux/
[12:11] <mjt> tjs: or, really, dpkg -r gimp-python
[12:12] <howrealisreal> thers' ide-disk in the /etc/modules
[12:12] <howrealisreal> is that it?
[12:12] <tjs> that gives me: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of gimp: ubuntu-desktop depends on gimp; however: Package gimp is to be removed
[12:12] <Riddell> hybrid: "Page not found" :(
[12:13] <hybrid> Riddell ; it is on osnews.com and i-hacked.com
[12:13] <mjt> howrealisreal: nope ;)  Well i give up ;)
[12:13] <howrealisreal> ah well
[12:13] <howrealisreal> i guess it's not such a big deal
[12:13] <howrealisreal> it just slows down boot up a little
[12:14] <mjt> howrealisreal: it must be somewhere, and 99% chances it's in /etc.  If not, well...  maybe it's finding some plug-n-play stuff in your bios and tries to load that module in a hope there is a floppy drive...
[12:14] <hybrid> Riddell ; tuxmagazine.org/subscribe iis it
[12:15] <howrealisreal> here's the error i get: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device
[12:15] <mjt> howrealisreal: when it's loading, can you say? I mean, in initrd or after it?
[12:15] <howrealisreal> when it boots up under the hotplug section
[12:15] <mjt> aha!
[12:15] <hybrid> srry  for the confusion riddell
[12:17] <howrealisreal> does that help?
[12:17] <hybrid> |QuaD| u  see red  hat iss havin a convention  up there
[12:17] <mjt> howrealisreal: so my second quess was right when -- it's the hotplug startup scripts that handles all that stuff.  In a hurry, you can list "floppy" (in a line by itself, w/o quotes) in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or maybe better create a file with single line "floppy" in /etc/hotplug.d/
[12:18] <howrealisreal> you suggest the second option?
[12:18] <mjt> howrealisreal: it may be interesting to find out why it is trying to load the module in the first place, but that's some more digging.. ;)
[12:18] <mjt> howrealisreal: yes
[12:18] <howrealisreal> hehe.. indeed
[12:18] <howrealisreal> alright let me try that and i'll see if it works
[12:18] <mjt> howrealisreal: /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/nofloppy is the most appropriate ;)
[12:19] <fsc> hmm...firefox on hoary just up and died on me
[12:19] <mjt> (the name of the file does not matter)
[12:19] <drasko> is eth0 interface always given to ethernet card... In my case I want to change it and give it to usb modem, and eth1 interface to be ehternet card
[12:19] <robtaylor> hmm, is anyone experincing a distict lack of hostap funtionality in hoary atm?
[12:19] <mjt> drasko: why do you care?
[12:20] <howrealisreal> okay. so i created /etc/hotplug.d/nofloppy that is just a single line that states "floppy"
[12:20] <howrealisreal> that's it?
[12:20] <mjt> drasko: it's better not to do that.  Your ethernet card is always here, while usb device may be plugged or not.  The interfaces gets next free number, so you will have eth0/eth1 depending whenever your usb device works or not
[12:21] <mjt> howrealisreal: yes -- w/o quotes ofcourse
[12:21] <howrealisreal> yeah without quotes
[12:21] <howrealisreal> awesome. thanks mjt
[12:21] <howrealisreal> i hope this works
[12:21] <mjt> howrealisreal: you can verify w/o rebooting
[12:21] <mjt> howrealisreal: /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[12:21] <howrealisreal> okay i'll give it a go
[12:21] <mjt> (and try the same w/o that file ;)
[12:22] <aeonphive> can anyone help me install alsa1.08? i've downloaded, untared, all the .bz2 files into /usr/src/alsa but when i try to ./configure, it says: "checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unsupported soundcard ice1724"
[12:23] <aeonphive> i ran the command: sudo ./configure --with-cards=ice1724 --with-sequencer=yes
[12:23] <howrealisreal> i think it works
[12:23] <howrealisreal> thanks mjt
[12:24] <drasko> mjt, because on the booting it looks like other card (eth1) is not activated... This eth1 goes to internet (usb modem), and eth0 is used for lan connection
[12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> anyone speaks spanish here?
[12:25] <drasko> mjt, I want to use eth0 for internet sharing with windows xp machine, while eth1 is my usb modem for internet. So I want to set this linux box to be a gateway for windows. How do I do that?
[12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> need a translation real wuick :)
[12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> quick
[12:26] <mjt> drasko: whenever it's activated or not has nothing to do with the naming/numbering (well, not really but it's some different issue)
[12:26] <Thom_Holwerda> primero Me encanto para que el Joe cierre su poca boca del cutch = ?
[12:27] <Neil3> nite nite folks off to beddy byes
[12:27] <mjt> drasko: also, the purpose of each interface has nothing to do with the numbering either
[12:27] <rapha> Hmm
[12:27] <hybrid> hey  tritium
[12:27] <rapha> Which drive would you trust more: an IBM DeskStar or a Western Digital WD800 (same size)
[12:27] <Agrajag> WD
[12:28] <eliasson> WD
[12:28] <mjt> drasko: the point is to have all static interfaces (the ones which are always present) first, and the rest -- "dynamic" -- after.
[12:28] <Neil3> IBM deathstar
[12:28] <Agrajag> they call them "deathstars" for a reason
[12:28] <Agrajag> beaten
[12:28] <tritium> hybrid, hello
[12:28] <Pluk> i sold my deathstar to my mother in law :D
[12:28] <rapha> Okay thanks
[12:29] <rapha> Then I'll put the unimportant stuff there
[12:29] <maswan> IBM
[12:29] <rapha> So it is normal for the WD to become hotter than the IBM?
[12:29] <drasko> mjt, well, can you tell me why? But you re right - eth0 is static while eth1 happens to be dynamic (usb modem)...
[12:29] <drasko> mjt, thanks for answers, you are really helpfull
[12:30] <mjt> drasko: nope, not with usb modems - i never used one so don't know what they're after
[12:30] <maswan> I have a statistically significant sample of WD disks sucking on the level of the worst deathstar problems.
[12:30] <hybrid> is mono in the rrepos
[12:30] <mjt> hybrid: apt-cache search mono ?
[12:30] <drasko> mjt, no, I just was wondering why static has to go first...
[12:31] <hybrid> ok
[12:33] <marcin_ant> hi
[12:33] <mjt> drasko: imagine you're booting without your usb modem plugged in (easy - pulled the cable, etc).  Each interface picks up the next number available, so your former eth1 will become eth0 (as there's no eth0 corresponding to the modem) -- havoc will happen ;)
[12:33] <howrealisreal> hey back again
[12:33] <marcin_ant> how to remove package which has broken uninstallation script?
[12:34] <howrealisreal> mjt: no dice.. it still gets an error
[12:34] <mjt> marcin_ant: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.* (* is postrm, preinst etc) - you can edit it
[12:35] <mjt> howrealisreal: remember my comment - "and try hotplug start without that file you created too" ? ;)
[12:36] <mjt> howrealisreal: it might not be hotplug, after all ;)
[12:37] <howrealisreal> with and without the file i still get an error about no floppy controller found
[12:37] <mjt> howrealisreal: when starting hotplug or when starting something else?
[12:37] <marcin_ant> mjt: great - thanks !
[12:37] <howrealisreal> when starting hotplug
[12:37] <tritium> mjt, drasko you should check out ifrename
[12:38] <mjt> tritium: no thanks ;-P
[12:38] <tritium> mjt, how come?
[12:38] <marcin_ant> any Eclipse user here?
[12:40] <mjt> tritium: well, there are many other ways to rename interfaces too.  But in this case i just don't see a reason for renaming (aka additional complications) -- just let ethercard be eth0 and usb modem be eth1, and be done with that ;)
[12:41] <drasko> mjt, not shure I understand this... If a interface with static ip given change from eth1 to eth0 (as this place becames free) it leads to mess? Why...? Aren't those settings just brought to the eth0, and that the same for every device.
[12:41] <drasko> tritium, what is that suppose to be?
[12:41] <tritium> drasko, you can consistently name network interfaces easily
[12:42] <Riddell> hybrid: I've signed up for a free subscription but I don't know where to get the actual magazine, and I havn't got an e-mail
[12:43] <mjt> drasko: because your scripts will "think" eth0 is your "outside" interface (which is in fact your LAN), and vise versa - and eg will give static IP to your usb modem when you will plug it in, and will try to use dhcp client (eg) for your LAN interface -- so nothing will work.
[12:43] <tritium> drasko, in my case, my docking station NIC and wireless cards both get assigned to eth1, depending on what I'm using.  ifrename eliminates that trouble
[12:44] <tritium> drasko, so I identify my network interface by MAC address in ifrename
[12:44] <howrealisreal> mjt: you have any other ideas of how to prevent hotplug from trying to install the floppy drie?
[12:44] <Rocha> Hello
[12:44] <howrealisreal> err drive?
[12:44] <Rocha> I installed today Ubuntu Hoary array-3
[12:44] <tritium> mjt, you already blacklisted it?
[12:45] <Rocha> It is much much much better than array-2
[12:45] <tritium> howrealisreal, you already blacklisted it?
[12:45] <tritium> mjt, ignore last msg
[12:45] <Rocha> But i noticed that the taskbar now shrinks each window, which really sucks.
[12:45] <mjt> howrealisreal: well, if it's really hotplug... it should honor your hotplug/blacklist stuff.  You can try to debug it (setting VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/hotplug).  Or, you can disable it entirely the "hard way", by creating a file /etc/modprobe.d/hofloppy with a line "install floppy :" (again w/o quotes)
[12:45] <Rocha> I can't read the title bar in the taskbar
[12:45] <Rocha> How can I change this?
[12:46] <howrealisreal> well i tried the /etc/hotplug.d
[12:46] <siimo> anyone use marillat mplayer packages?
[12:46] <Rocha> x-chat for example appears as... "X..."
[12:46] <howrealisreal> but i didn't do anything with a file named blacklist
[12:46] <drasko> mjt, tritium thanks a lot for all the help!
[12:46] <midnight_sunray> hi everybody
[12:46] <howrealisreal> maybe i misunderstood you
[12:46] <tritium> drasko, good luck :)
[12:46] <siimo> why does mplayer require xmms? i prefer beep-media-player thats a GTK2 version of xmms instead
[12:46] <tritium> howrealisreal, it's /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:46] <Rocha> siimo, use Totem instead o mplayer
[12:47] <Rocha> (and instead of xmms)
[12:47] <mjt> howrealisreal: what did you do with hotplug.d ?  We were talking about hotplug/blacklist.d , not about hotplug.d ;)
[12:47] <Rocha> btw, use Rhythmbox instead of xmms
[12:47] <midnight_sunray> i have som problem with my realtek ac97 integrated soundcard.. i read some stuff on the forum but i haven't got where the problem actually is yet... can anybody help me ?
[12:47] <mjt> what IS your problem?
[12:47] <siimo> Rocha: can totem play real+quicktime+windowsmedia ?
[12:47] <Rocha> siimo, yup
[12:47] <Rocha> install "totem-xine"
[12:48] <siimo> Rocha: what about a firefox plugin for it
[12:48] <mjt> siimo: mplayer-nogui does not require xmms ;)
[12:48] <howrealisreal> okay that worked
[12:48] <Rocha> siimo, you'll get all that plus an integration with gnome.
[12:48] <Rocha> siimo, i don't know, never used that.
[12:48] <mjt> siimo: and, gui for mplayer does not really work anyway
[12:48] <midnight_sunray> mjt , my problem is that ubuntu just dont recognize my soundcard.. and i dont know how to make it work right..
[12:48] <siimo> mjt: ok thanks
[12:49] <howrealisreal> i solved the problem by added floppy to the hotplug blacklist file
[12:49] <siimo> so mplayerplug-in will work too
[12:49] <Rocha> mjt, are you using hoary?
[12:49] <howrealisreal> thanks guys
[12:49] <siimo> mjt: ?
[12:49] <kent> muine in Hoary still depends on libflac4. Cant it compile against the libflac that is in Hoary?
[12:49] <mjt> Rocha: i'm using alot of various stuff ;)
[12:50] <Rocha> mjt, is you taskbar always showing very little of the apps name?
[12:50] <siimo> or will i need mplayer gui for it
[12:50] <mjt> siimo: i dunno what's mplayerplug-in anyway
[12:50] <siimo> its a browser plugin to play embedded media
[12:50] <mjt> Rocha: i don't have a taskbar ;)
[12:51] <siimo> Rocha: thats a bug in hoary/gnome 2.9x
[12:51] <Rocha> siimo, ok, thanks
[12:51] <midnight_sunray> mjt , did you abandone me ? :)
[12:51] <Rocha> mjt, :)
[12:51] <mjt> siimo: well, i dunno really.  Just try it?
[12:51] <Rocha> mjt, how do you know what apps you have opened?
[12:51] <siimo> Rocha: it wont be fixed in ubuntu till its fixed in gnome so follow this link - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160977
[12:52] <mjt> midnight_sunray: sure i did! ;)
[12:53] <siimo> Rocha: for now, right click on window list > goto size tab and increase the minimum size
[12:53] <mjt> midnight_sunray: what's the output of `lspci -v' for your card? (find the proper entry - lspci will show you alot of stuff)
[12:54] <midnight_sunray> damn , i dont know right now.. i'm chatting under windows..
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> :)
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> well.. i will reboot , launch lspci and then come back..
[12:55] <Rocha> siimo, thanks for the help
[12:55] <mjt> realtec ac97 should be well-supported.
[12:55] <Rocha> Bye now, i have to get up early for classes.
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> but it wasnt recognized..
[12:55] <Rocha> Good night
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> damn..
[12:56] <midnight_sunray> mjt, i know i'm annoying , but can u please tell me the commands i have to launch, the thing i have to write down in order to get all the info u need to help me? :)
[12:58] <siimo> np
[12:58] <midnight_sunray> i think my last msg isn't so clear,is it? :)
[12:59] <malakyaz> hi, anyone know why, before i install ubuntu and install XFCE it ask to me for glib(gmodule)> 2.0.. I have installed 2.4 version, any idea about that or url??
[12:59] <mjt> midnight_sunray: realtec? is it really realtec?
[01:00] <midnight_sunray> yup.. realtek ac97
[01:01] <midnight_sunray> why are you dubious? am i particulary unlucky not to have that card recognized?
[01:01] <midnight_sunray> uhm.. tonight my english isnt good at all
[01:01] <midnight_sunray> sorry.. i'm just a poor italian guy.. :)
[01:02] <zhukov_> hi
[01:03] <drasko> Are the rc.x directories in /etc dedicated for each runlevel. So, now my default runlevel is 2 -> thoes that mean that other rc.x aren't even read? So when I want to make rc.iptables to put it in rc2.d?
[01:04] <mjt> lol. on realtec site, there's a "driver" for "realtec ac97"... which is a full copy of alsa kernel stuff as of 2004/12/22 ;)
[01:04] <midnight_sunray> can u give me the link mjt?
[01:04] <midnight_sunray> i'd be really glad..
[01:04] <malakyaz> hi, anyone know why, before i install ubuntu and install XFCE it ask to me for glib(gmodule)> 2.0.. I have installed 2.4 version, any idea about that or url??
[01:04] <mjt> midnight_sunray: it's useless for you
[01:05] <midnight_sunray> why?
[01:06] <midnight_sunray> as you probably already saw, i'm quite a newbie.. so be patient.. or just tell me to shut up and i'll do.. i dont want to be annoying..
[01:06] <mjt> midnight_sunray: because i doubt you will be able to recompile your kernel
[01:06] <mjt> midnight_sunray: and because the instructions on the site are too dense (i'd say non-existing)
[01:07] <midnight_sunray> oh.. i'm SURELY not able to recompile my kernel.. not for the next 2-3 months at least.. :)
[01:08] <roo9> has anyone seen an issue where the ubuntu install CD repeatedly freezes?
[01:09] <blah09> anyone else find the ubuntuforums are incredibly slow ?
[01:10] <tritium> blah09, what are you trying to get help for?
[01:10] <mjt> midnight_sunray: well, it looks like realtec added something to standard alsa, for their "azalia" series. but standard driver should work
[01:12] <blah09> im trying to figure out if polypaudio is worth installing
[01:12] <midnight_sunray> so.. mjt , what do i have to do in order to get my sc workin ?
[01:12] <blah09> i have crackly sound =/
[01:13] <hybrid_> *wonders  why  sound is always  weird in  linux
[01:13] <tritium> blah09, I'd advise against it right now
[01:13] <mjt> i'm off to bed...
[01:14] <blah09> still buggy?
[01:14] <tritium> blah09, yes
[01:14] <blah09> oh
[01:14] <tritium> blah09, it's surprising that ubuntu-desktop was made to depend on it already.  It appears to have not been tested.
[01:15] <blah09> so if i did a dist upgrade recently its installed already?
[01:15] <mjr> with some cards/drivers it seems that if you set the PCM volume too high, it'll overdrive the samples, resulting in distortion. Try to reduce the PCM volume somewhat
[01:15] <blah09> its at about 25%
[01:15] <blah09> =/
[01:15] <mjr> ok, well, that should be low enough :/
[01:15] <marioch> Hello I have a broadcom wireless card, I did try installing ndiswrapper with ubuntu (from ubuntu archives), everything went ok - installing windows driver, and loading ndiswrapper - but the card doesn't work, does anyone have a hint?
[01:15] <tritium> blah09, yes, but you reinstall esound.  It'll remove polypaudio and ubuntu-desktop, but that's not too critical
[01:17] <setite> i need help
[01:17] <setite> i cant get k3b to recognize my burner
[01:17] <blah09> isnt ubuntu-desktop tied to everthing else?
[01:17] <tritium> blah09, it's just a meta-package that depends on a lot of other packages.
[01:17] <blah09> oh
[01:17] <tritium> blah09, but removing it doesn't remove all those things
[01:18] <blah09> only the other way round then
[01:18] <hybrid_> where iss mono d/l tto after apt-get
[01:18] <blah09> ok gotta reboot, brb
[01:18] <setite> anyone know why k3b doesnt recognize my burner?
[01:18] <tritium> blah09, ok
[01:18] <Juice^> how do i get psybnc with apt-get? :]
[01:19] <hybrid_> apt-cache searcch psybnc
[01:19] <hybrid_> serch
[01:19] <hybrid_> search
[01:19] <Juice^> thanks
[01:20] <hybrid_> oo too mucch coffe
[01:20] <Brett> Hello!
[01:20] <Juice^> hehe
[01:20] <hybrid_> hi
[01:20] <Brett> How is everyone?
[01:20] <JCarax> Hi guys, have you tried "Streamtuner"
[01:20] <hybrid_> GOOD  U??
[01:20] <JCarax> It rocks!
[01:20] <setite> anyone... please help
[01:21] <sulkd> hybrid_, what kind of coffee y'all got, heh
[01:21] <hybrid_> sulkd EXSPRESSO
[01:21] <Juice^> hybrid_: that didnt help much... it just didnt do anything
[01:21] <hybrid_> lol wo0t wo0t
[01:21] <sulkd> O_o
[01:22] <setite> anyone... is k3b supposed to figure out the drive automatically?
[01:22] <hybrid_> Juice^ did you sudo
[01:22] <blah09> ugh, speedstep still broken
[01:22] <LinuxJones> linux-restricted-modules in warty are uninstallable for the 386 and k7 kernels what's up with that ?
[01:22] <hybrid_> sulkd i  love strate up exspresso
[01:22] <Juice^> hybrid_: i dont know how to use the correct commands with sudo
[01:22] <sulkd> hybrid_, espresso :]
[01:22] <setite> ok i think i figured it out
[01:22] <setite> i ran it with sudo
[01:23] <hybrid_> Juoce sudo apt-cache  search package
[01:23] <hybrid_> silkd =)
[01:23] <mjt> apt-cache does not need sudo
[01:23] <Juice^> oh :]
[01:23] <hybrid_> it doesnt??
[01:23] <hybrid_> hmm
[01:23] <tritium> nope
[01:23] <zhukov_> hey anyone here with a bootsplash and hoary?
[01:23] <sulkd> hybrid: r u dyscixel ?
[01:23] <sulkd> :]
[01:23] <rapha> zhukov_: Here
[01:24] <hybrid_> only when on coffee
[01:24] <hybrid_> (=
[01:24] <zhukov_> rapha, how did you?
[01:24] <randabis> zhukov_, no there isn't
[01:24] <randabis> and there won't be
[01:24] <randabis> oh, misread
[01:24] <sulkd> hybrid_, yeah.. "coffee".. why don't you show us where you're hiding the mirror? =)
[01:25] <randabis> usplash isn't going to make it to hoary is what I meant
[01:25] <Juice^> hybrid_: didnt work when i used sudo either.
[01:25] <Hwolf> randabis: I fear you are right
[01:25] <hybrid_> Juice ^ just  dsearch  ssynaptic forr the package if it iainnt  there u need  to edit the repos
[01:25] <zhukov_> rapha, ive installed the kernel patch, the theme and nothing...
[01:25] <randabis> HiddenWolf, yeah, sucks :/
[01:25] <hybrid_> sulkd i dont havee a rorrim *drops mirror*
[01:26] <HiddenWolf> randabis: I believe they'll make it downloadable / backport it.
[01:26] <randabis> hopefully
[01:26] <rapha> zhukov_: I had forgotten to enable initrd support in the kernel and do a /usr/sbin/splash -s -f /patch/to/theme.cfg >> /boot/initrd.img-splash
[01:26] <HiddenWolf> randabis: sladen said as much
[01:26] <randabis> I see
[01:27] <tritium> that's good to know
[01:27] <randabis> sucks though, that was one of the biggest things that was going to differentiate between hoary and warty
[01:28] <randabis> to me it was progress
[01:28] <sladen> HiddenWolf: *looks*
[01:28] <tritium> Mad Phat Splash did initially catch my attention about ubuntu
[01:28] <randabis> not to say the rest of hoary isn't
[01:28] <hybrid_> what is splash?/
[01:28] <HiddenWolf> sladen, you did, didn't you?
[01:28] <sladen> tritium: interesting.  Sorry, it's too mad and phat to fit just yet :)
[01:29] <randabis> hybrid_, graphical image at boot like windows xp
[01:29] <sladen> HiddenWolf: yes.  It's my fault usplash isn't in Hoary
[01:29] <HiddenWolf> sladen: need a tester?
[01:29] <tritium> sladen, no worries.  We'll be anxiously awaiting :)
[01:29] <hybrid_> randabis  why  would you want that i like the way it is
[01:29] <sladen> tritium: all the more reason to stick around for Hoary+1  eh?  ;_)
[01:29] <randabis> hybrid_, eyecandy
[01:30] <tritium> sladen, I'm pretty sure I'm sticking with ubuntu for the long haul
[01:30] <randabis> hybrid_, there would still be a verbose mode
[01:30] <HiddenWolf> tritium: amen
[01:30] <hybrid_> o ok
[01:30] <tritium> HiddenWolf, :)
[01:30] <randabis> you'd hit F2 like with bootsplash and fbsplash
[01:30] <zhukov_> rapha, it replyed Usage: /usr/sbin/splash -s [-u unit]  -n [cfgfile]
[01:30] <HiddenWolf> sladen: I'd be highly appreciated if you wouldn't add to the urge to run hoary+1 from the first week. Ubuntu is already too addictive, and takes up too much time.
[01:30] <randabis> I like framebuffer splash a lot :) gentoo looks sexy with it
[01:30] <rapha> Well, what exactly did you type zhukov_?
[01:31] <sulkd> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[01:31] <sulkd> heh
[01:31] <sulkd> what dribble is that?
[01:31] <rapha> zhukov_: Btw, this is all documented and there's also man splash
[01:31] <zhukov_>  /usr/sbin/splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/aquamatrix/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-386
[01:31] <sime_> the default ubuntu installation, does it have a news reader... as I cannot find one in evolution
[01:31] <zhukov_> this is my second day in this...thats why im calling for help
[01:32] <tritium> HiddenWolf, I know what you mean by too addictive.  I spend too much time with it, when I should be doing other things.
[01:32] <hybrid_> *oucch*
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> tritium, the price you pay for running hoary on a production-rig
[01:33] <skuld> anyway.. as I was saying.. iirc from the days of console, 13<= was switchable by right-alt+F*
[01:34] <tritium> HiddenWolf, that, or just having fun
[01:34] <sladen> skuld: the kernel keeps a list of which consoles are switchable to---you can get to others by switching through X or using chvt
[01:34] <LinuxJones> sime_, install pan
[01:34] <skuld> sladen, kernel? no it's in /etc/securetty
[01:35] <jaco> yawn
[01:35] <jaco> hi all
[01:35] <skuld> sladen, just a policy
[01:35] <jaco> :)
[01:35] <randabis> hi
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> tritium: If i wanted fun on my pc, I'd run windows and play games ;-)
[01:35] <Pluk> hi
[01:35] <randabis> HiddenWolf, plenty of gaming action available in linux
[01:35] <hybrid_> linux is a drug
[01:35] <jaco> what's windows? :)
[01:35] <hybrid_> like umm..... caffine
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> randabis: not when you're running an old ati card.
[01:35] <tritium> I don't even play games
[01:35] <Octane> i just came to announce that i am now downloading Ubuntu and I will drop windows once and for all!
[01:36] <randabis> HiddenWolf, touche
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> jaco: it's that virii-ridden os that some people still use
[01:36] <jaco> new xfree has a full support to ati
[01:36] <skuld> sladen, give it a whirr.. login on some vt, sudo echo >/dev/tty13, then right-alt+F1
[01:36] <randabis> xfree is deprecated :p
[01:36] <jaco> x.org
[01:36] <jaco> :)
[01:36] <jaco> ok? :
[01:36] <jaco> )
[01:36] <randabis> :)
[01:37] <tritium> I'll put it this way:  spending all day working is more fun with ubuntu than Windows
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> Did any of you guys get pestered by that msn-messenger worm yet?
[01:37] <Pluk> full support without acpi support...
[01:37] <randabis> HiddenWolf, no sir
[01:37] <tritium> HiddenWolf, does it affect gaim?
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> tritium: If only because I can download a virus and dissect it. :-)
[01:37] <Pluk> darn fglrx :(
[01:37] <randabis> I like x.org 6.8.2
[01:37] <LinuxJones> Why are linux-restricted-modules (386 & k7 kernels) in warty not installable ?
[01:38] <tritium> HiddenWolf, ah, okay.
[01:38] <HiddenWolf> tritium, I happily put it on my desktop. It's a winblows worm being spread by a bit of code in msn messenger
[01:38] <sladen> skuld: or  echo -e '\e[12;13] '
[01:38] <randabis> lol
[01:38] <skuld> heh
[01:38] <sladen> Pluk: ACPI /should/ pretty much work in Hoary---otherwise it's a bug
[01:38] <jaco> HiddenWolf msn messenger is a virus :)
[01:38] <setite> anyone know a nice tutorial for quickly adding my linux box to my local network via SMB?
[01:39] <Pluk> sladen, i meant acpi in  fglrx
[01:39] <HiddenWolf> jaco: true
[01:39] <Pluk> the xorg ati driver works just fine
[01:39] <randabis> setite, ubuntuguide has some info
[01:39] <Pluk> even with dynamic clocks
[01:39] <skuld> file transfers in msn clients is so slow it's a wonder anyone would try
[01:39] <jaco> HiddenWolf u can try a standart im like gaim or jabber or ics
[01:39] <jaco> HiddenWolf u can try a standart im like gaim or jabber or icq
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> tritium: I was happily downloading it and googling to try and find out how to run a .pif file, getting pissed at ubuntu for not being able to run a filetype, when i figured it was a virus
[01:40] <Pluk> :P
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> jaco: I'm running gaim, but was enjoying a msnmessenger virus that's becoming big right now. :-)
[01:40] <setite> ok...
[01:40] <setite> im on the forum
[01:40] <setite> so i need actual samba... is there nothing on synaptic
[01:40] <tritium> HiddenWolf, I hadn't heard about it.
[01:41] <randabis> setite, samba, samba-common, smbfs
[01:41] <Anubis> HiddenWolf, Are you saying the virus infected gaim?
[01:41] <setite> all 3
[01:41] <jaco> what's a virus? :) i use linux... i don't know this matter :)
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> anubis, no, but my msn-using friends where offering me the download, and I happily downloaded it before I figured out that it was a virus, so I'm pretty happy with ubuntu right now
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> jaco: it's something that's pretty amusing
[01:42] <Anubis> sweet
[01:42] <setite> i have libsmbclient already... im addine smbfs
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> anubis, ofcourse I could be spreading it by now, but considering that ubuntu didn't know how to handle the file, I think i'm quite safe.
[01:44] <setite> i have samba-common
[01:44] <setite> ok i got it all now... thanks randabis.. your the man
[01:44] <krism> hmm.. im upgrading to xorg from hoary now..
[01:44] <Lithi> whereis smb.conf usualy located when you installed via apt-get?
[01:44] <kapputu> hey guys is hoary out?
[01:45] <krism> is 'apt-get install xserver-xorg' the propery way to do it?
[01:45] <skuld> feh... I setup a feckin vfat formatted drive just for quick portage between ubuntu and windows.. and it can't store a damn dvd iso... maximum filesize is 4095mb
[01:47] <MacPlusG3> skuld: yes, vfat is the suck. try using a program called 'split'. you can then just cat the parts together.
[01:48] <Seabook> Hi
[01:48] <skuld> MacPlusG3, ah good idea :]
[01:48] <Seabook> I need help configuring GRUB.
[01:48] <rellik> the 'ls' manpage isn't clear on something...  my file ('a'): abcd : (hex, 5 bytes) 61 62 63 64 0a ... when I use 'ls -s --block-size=1 a' it says 4096...  what are the units on this? opening the file in a hexer shows only the 5 expected chars (incl. EOF), but 4096/5 is not an integer :(
[01:48] <MacPlusG3> skuld: wastes some disk space... but is better than nothing.
[01:49] <MacPlusG3> skuld: also useful if you need to transfer big files around
[01:49] <skuld> MacPlusG3, should only waste an inode, shouldn't it?
[01:49] <Seabook> So that it boots to Windows by default. (shoot me, but mom can't handle Linux yet) :/
[01:49] <hybrid_> mine eithr
[01:49] <MacPlusG3> skuld: well, if you start with a 4GB file and split it up into 1GB chunks, you'll end up with 4G+1+1+1+1=8G of usage
[01:49] <HiddenWolf> seabook: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst to default to windows
[01:49] <MacPlusG3> skuld: but you could always split it *onto* the vfat.. so you're not wasting much then
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> default 0 > default x where x is the windows-entry
[01:50] <skuld> MacPlusG3, :]
[01:50] <kapputu> where do I get new themes for ubuntu?
[01:51] <setite> randabis... what is ubuntuguide
[01:51] <setite> the www.ubuntuguide.com or org
[01:51] <Seabook> aaah
[01:51] <Seabook> thx HiddenWolf
[01:52] <HiddenWolf> seabook: mind, grub counts from 0, not from one
[01:52] <Seabook> :)
[01:53] <kapputu> hello
[01:54] <kapputu> how do I get new themes for gnome
[01:54] <kapputu> or ubuntu
[01:54] <skuld> kapputu, http://www.gnomelook.org/
[01:54] <Seabook> I almost forgot my root password. :/
[01:56] <giard> wow, I don't think I've ever seen so yellow and orange flowers on a page before
[01:56] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[01:58] <Seabook> Does GRUB count the divider? The lines that say "title Other operating systems:\n root"
[01:59] <hybrid_> caan u appt-get thee newest kernal
[02:00] <Seabook> GRUB does count the divider line. :P I just did a tias.
[02:00] <Octane> can someone give me a oneliner to encourage me to install ubuntu and dump windows
[02:01] <dredg> Octane: no. it's a preference thing. use what works for you
[02:01] <Seabook> Octane: chicks dig Ubuntu geeks
[02:01] <Octane> lol
[02:01] <somethin1> o_O
[02:01] <Octane> i have 3 boxes, freebsd, fc3, and winxp
[02:01] <hybrid_> SeaBook  lol
[02:01] <macewan> anyone messed with engage on warty?
[02:01] <Octane> and am considering dumping my main box, the winxp, and putting ubuntu on it
[02:01] <Octane> well, not considering, gonna, but im still weary
[02:01] <hybrid_> Octane : xp o_O no chix ffor u
[02:02] <gangalino> I have my dmesg output in #flood
[02:02] <gangalino> it shows up w/ udf support, and modules seem to be loaded, but I can't find the device
[02:02] <hybrid_> it is awesome
[02:02] <spinifex> is there any way to hibernate, like in windows?
[02:02] <setite> this tuturial shows you how to share the home folder... but how do i share root
[02:02] <setite> i need to be able to share the windows partition of this PC too....
[02:02] <setite> so i need /mnt
[02:02] <hybrid_> Octane : it  is   a great community distro
[02:02] <somethin1> anyone feel like telling me how Ubuntu mounts /sys at boot without an fstab entry?
[02:02] <Octane> thats a great reason
[02:02] <setite> magick
[02:03] <dredg> somethin1: the kernel does it automatically
[02:03] <spinifex> *poke poke*  how do I hibernate?
[02:03] <somethin1> dredg:  but if I install this kernel on another system it doens't
[02:03] <dredg> is there a /sys directory created?
[02:03] <darmou> I have a raid with one disk (raid0) ubuntu refuses to create a partition on it, anyway I can drop into a command line and force it to create a partition?
[02:03] <somethin1> yes, but HAL no longer works unless I mount sysfs myself
[02:05] <somethin1> and even with gnome-volume-manager (the ubuntu package), my cd mounting doesn't work automatically
[02:06] <somethin1> hmm
[02:06] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:07] <aquarius> I have various packages installed which depend on having an MTA installed. If I want to install my own MTA (in /usr/local) how can I uninstall the Ubuntu-provided one without also removing everything that depends on it?
[02:08] <bob2> a) it's really best to stick with postfix or another packaged mta
[02:08] <dredg> somethin1: i lie. it's in an init script
[02:08] <bob2> b) if you insist, use "equivs" to make a fake mail-transport-agent package
[02:09] <aquarius> bob2, I know, but I'd like to play with Hula, the new Novell thing, and it won't be able to run as my SMTP server if something else is already using port 25. I don't want to run it on odd ports because then I'm not giving it a proper test.
[02:09] <somethin1> dredg:  do you know what it's named?
[02:10] <dredg> somethin1: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs
[02:10] <spinifex> =\ is there any support for suspend?
[02:10] <bob2> you mean suspend-to-ram?
[02:10] <bob2> depends how buggy your hardware is
[02:10] <spinifex> I mean hibernate
[02:11] <bob2> suspend-to-disk should work with swsusp just fine
[02:11] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[02:11] <spinifex> just installed it and it said my kernel needed support for it
[02:11] <bob2> it = what?
[02:11] <spinifex> hibernate.  *reads link*
[02:11] <bob2> you don't "install" hibernate.
[02:12] <spinifex> I got the package named hibernate
[02:12] <bob2> you don'tneed that
[02:12] <bob2> and it won't be useful
[02:13] <Octane> whats the default wm on install?
[02:13] <spinifex> gnome
[02:13] <setite> can someone help me share my entire PC
[02:13] <spinifex> are you gonna share it with us?
[02:13] <bob2> Octane: metacity
[02:13] <gangalino> what's the name of that moon phases app?
[02:13] <setite> nothing you would want... basic windows and linux with some mp3s
[02:13] <Octane> im amazed that the distro iso is only 574mb
[02:13] <HiddenWolf> setite: I'd rethink about doing that, really
[02:14] <WW> Hello, world.
[02:14] <spinifex> =\ do I have to do this whole process to set up hibernating?  damn, don't have time no
[02:14] <spinifex> w
[02:14] <setite> hiddenwolf i need to back up this entire PCs contents to another PC
[02:14] <bob2> it'd be best to stop refering to it as hibernating
[02:14] <bob2> when you mean suspend-to-disk
[02:15] <bob2> and following those steps doesn't take very long
[02:15] <spinifex> fine.  to suspend-to-disk
[02:15] <WW> This has probably been asked a hundred times recently, but... what's the story with linux-restricted-modules and the recent kernel upgrade?
[02:15] <setite> i need to expose this whole PC to the local network via SMB
[02:15] <jdub> bob2: hibernate is the right word for it
[02:15] <setite> but i dont know how
[02:15] <bob2> and if you have a 2.6.10 hoary kernel, you don't een need to do that
[02:15] <bob2> jdub: hrm, ok
[02:15] <bob2> spinifex: ok, ignore me
[02:15] <spinifex> yes but you see my potential to screw it up means they could take hours
[02:15] <setite> well not so much everything... becuase i have home shared
[02:15] <setite> i need to share the mnts
[02:15] <jdub> bob2: suspend-to-disk is a silly technical word :)
[02:15] <|QuaD|> is there a way to get networking to work with qemu? the wiki way isn't working
[02:15] <HiddenWolf> setite: can't help you there. I'd think it's faster to just walk copy the harddisk and place the harddisk in the other pc.
[02:15] <bob2> jdub: hah
[02:16] <AlphaZero> whats a good bittorrent client to use?
[02:16] <bob2> jdub: sleep and suspend seem to mean both mean str or std depending on who you talk to
[02:16] <somethin1> alphazero: bittorrent
[02:16] <setite> nah this thing is an emachine... last time i disassembled part of an emachine... it didnt go back together
[02:16] <jdub> bob2: seriously. hibernate (suspend to disk) and sleep (to ram) are great words
[02:16] <setite> to much inaccessible screws
[02:16] <setite> thanks anyway
[02:16] <jdub> AlphaZero: if you're using hoary, gnome-bt is included. it's simple and easy.
[02:16] <setite> does anyone know how to share my windows mount
[02:17] <setite> or is there a way to remount the windows mount somewhere within my home drive
[02:17] <bob2> jdub: I shall remember that
[02:17] <setite> or link it so that it would be transferable via SMB
[02:17] <somethin1> ...put it in /etc/fstab
[02:17] <AlphaZero> i'm using warty
[02:17] <setite> soemthin1 you talking to me?
[02:17] <maggi> is there anyone that can tell me why I can not find the sda1 in /media on my k6 computer, but can on the centrino laptop?
[02:17] <maggi> by the way it's an USB pen
[02:17] <somethin1> unless you mean you want to share it with another comp.. I haven't really been paying attention
[02:18] <setite> usb pen.. they have those now
[02:18] <setite> yea with another comp
[02:18] <setite> i have a windows box... that is my bigger box...
[02:18] <maggi> usb storage device then
[02:18] <setite> and i want to back up the linux files and the windows files
[02:18] <setite> i can do them both seperately if i must... but i wanted to try to get both shared via the smb with linux
[02:19] <AlphaZero> i downloaded bittornado and bittornado-gui and cant find it to launch it
[02:19] <setite> i need to wipe this PC and install both OS's fresh...
[02:19] <setite> problem with putting this drive into the other PC is that the other box only has windows
[02:19] <setite> it screwed up installing ubuntu for some damn reason
[02:19] <AlphaZero> where are apps stored on ubuntu?
[02:20] <AlphaZero> <--noob
[02:20] <IneedaNickname> hi folks
[02:20] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:20] <spinifex> um, about the guide-- my kernel is built for i686-- should I really be getting a i386 kernel module?
[02:20] <gangalino> what's the name of that moon phases app?
[02:20] <IneedaNickname> how do I retrieve my password?
[02:21] <setite> ahhh screw it... not worth the effort./... thanks guys
[02:21] <WW> Anyone? ^^^   Is there another update in the works for linux-restricted-modules?
[02:21] <spinifex> bob2
[02:22] <spinifex> it seems this updates grub.  Will I have to actually boot an i368 kernel to be able to use suspend-to-disk?
[02:22] <bob2> er
[02:22] <bob2> you're not on i386?
[02:22] <spinifex> nope
[02:23] <spinifex> wait
[02:23] <bob2> do you want me to guess?
[02:23] <bob2> or can you just say
[02:24] <spinifex> lol, misread my motd when it installed.  i386
[02:26] <bascule> evening
[02:27] <|QuaD|> evening
[02:27] <bascule> thnks just checking the lag, been pretty bad for me the last few times I connected
[02:30] <WW> Any advice on getting the recent kernel update to work? I use linux-restricted-modules for the nvidia graphics driver, but something is wrong with its dependencies.
[02:31] <LinuxJones> WW, it doesn't work in warty for some odd reason, a real jab for a stable realease :(
[02:31] <bascule> mine worked I'm sure ...
[02:32] <WW> LinuxJones: Right, I had to reboot with the previous version (-4).
[02:32] <LinuxJones> WW, it's a real pain
[02:33] <WW> There has been some discussion of the problem in the forum, but I haven't seen anything that looks like an official ubuntu announcement.
[02:33] <LinuxJones> WW, funny cause the kernel upgraded just fine, wonder what is wrong with it ?
[02:34] <isma> i cant get my sound card to work on ubuntu (i get a no mixer elements/devices found message)
[02:34] <isma> any help would be appreciated
[02:34] <|Maragato|> isma wich card do you have?
[02:34] <isma> i know its a maestro3
[02:34] <isma> an ESS
[02:34] <isma> allegro something
[02:35] <isma> i used the maestro3 driver on another distro
[02:35] <El_XiNo> nickserv identify dindadinda
[02:35] <isma> lol
[02:35] <skuld> haha
[02:35] <isma> i'd change ur pass if i were u
[02:35] <|Maragato|> rofl
[02:35] <bascule> I am still booting the original kernel, left my own bootloader
[02:36] <bascule> guess tjat is why
[02:36] <|Maragato|> lets get his nick :p
[02:36] <isma> LOL!
[02:36] <isma> someone took over his nick
[02:36] <skuld> heheh
[02:36] <fracan> lol
[02:37] <|Maragato|> rofl
[02:37] <|Maragato|> men irc is a dangerous place
[02:37] <bascule> that is sooo humiliating
[02:37] <isma> That, is why u should id to nickserv in the Status window
[02:37] <LinuxJones> You can get a ban for doing that and alot worse
[02:38] <isma> lol
[02:38] <bascule> <-- done a root password, nobody seemed to guess ...
[02:38] <skuld> you can setup xchat to authenticate automatically
[02:38] <isma> im definitely posting it on www.bash.org
[02:38] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:38] <|Maragato|> isma I did first!
[02:38] <isma> damn u
[02:38] <isma> lol
[02:38] <|Maragato|> that is another quote for bash.og
[02:39] <skuld> can you put a timestamp on it? see how fast it was?
[02:39] <skuld> hehe
[02:40] <skuld> dinda..
[02:41] <El_XiNo> lool
[02:41] <skuld> :]
[02:41] <bascule> it was within the same minuite
[02:41] <|Maragato|> you see ppl, if I hadnt said lets hget his nic, maybe I had time before he realises to get his nick
[02:41] <skuld> I miss El_XiNo..
[02:41] <|Maragato|> damm Im taling engRish
[02:41] <isma> yea me too
[02:42] <|Maragato|> talking
[02:42] <skuld> tarking
[02:42] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:42] <skuld> he's probably changing all his accounts' passwords
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> hello everybody
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> for the record i am a total *nix newbie
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> and im here because i couldnt stand the people congregating in the #debian channel
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> i know nothing about linux
[02:44] <ShadeofGrey> im just THAT sick of winblows
[02:44] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, half the people here are in the same boat :P
[02:44] <skuld> gangalino, you've asked like 50 times already :]  try mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:44] <gangalino> trying to get some response!
[02:44] <ShadeofGrey> okay look - ill be honest
[02:44] <|Maragato|> ShadeofGrey backup the stuff you care burn ubuntu cd part your driver and go for it
[02:44] <usual> I have been going to #debian for years, and the other day an abusive op took my voice
[02:44] <usual> I wont be going back
[02:44] <bascule> lsusb, there you can see it ... :)
[02:44] <ShadeofGrey> i REALLY know nothing about ubuntu
[02:44] <gangalino> not there
[02:45] <gangalino> gimmee a break
[02:45] <ShadeofGrey> but i downloaded the livecd and ran it
[02:45] <ShadeofGrey> and everything worked
[02:45] <ShadeofGrey> so
[02:45] <bascule> oh, try rear USB instead of front if appropriate
[02:45] <gangalino> not there, only 1 usb port
[02:45] <gangalino> another USB device works
[02:46] <ShadeofGrey> im downloading the main install CD as we speak (theres only one? -- p.s. AMD64 version) and am going to dedicate the spare 200gig disk i have in my box
[02:46] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, it would be very convenient for you to start the install from the livecd and ask questions here on irc but you can't
[02:46] <gangalino> should I post to flood again?
[02:46] <sulkd> bascule, sounds sexual.. o_o?
[02:46] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, unless you have more than 1 computer
[02:46] <bascule> gangalino: and I jut *know* that is a VIA chipset ...
[02:46] <ShadeofGrey> please tell me the ubuntu installer can make its own partitions and such as long as i tell it which drive
[02:46] <ShadeofGrey> wait
[02:47] <ShadeofGrey> are you telling me i cant dual boot it?
[02:47] <bascule> sulkd: de[ends where your haead is at I guess (keeping it going ...)
[02:47] <gangalino> bascule: my USB port or the dvd+rw is VIA?
[02:47] <scoon> ShadeofGrey, you have an extra drive ?
[02:47] <gangalino> I think neither are really
[02:48] <ShadeofGrey> scoon: i have a 400 gig thats a win32 partition. i have another 200gig thats not being used
[02:48] <bascule> laaaaaag
[02:48] <ShadeofGrey> scoon: cant i just blow away the 200gig partition and install ubuntu on that?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, you have 600 gig of storage wtf ??
[02:48] <bascule> gangalino: teh chipset on the motherboard
[02:49] <marcin_ant> hi ppl could you tell me how much ram should I have to make my system not to use swap at all?
[02:49] <ShadeofGrey> LinuxJones: hey man.. i got great deals on ecost.com during christmas. i had the opportunity and fucking took it
[02:49] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, my first computer had 800 meg hard drive
[02:49] <ShadeofGrey> my first PC had a 40 meg
[02:49] <bascule> marcin_ant: depends how long it is on, 4GB of ram will swap out after 12 hours
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> ShadeofGrey: language please
[02:49] <ShadeofGrey> HrdwrBoB: ...oops.. sorry
[02:49] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, swap is not a bad thing
[02:50] <ShadeofGrey> and i have a gig of 3200 dual channel ram
[02:50] <ShadeofGrey> ...the best christmas present was the samsung 19" syncmaster
[02:50] <|Maragato|> ShadeofGrey dont you want to spare a bit of your pc for non so rich ppl?
[02:50] <Pluk> :D
[02:50] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: I just don't want to listen to my hdd
[02:51] <gangalino> bascule: no, it's NEC/Ratoc subsystem
[02:51] <ShadeofGrey> |Maragato|: i AM one of those not so rich people
[02:51] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, umm what do you do during a big download
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> |Maragato|: it's not that high end
[02:51] <bascule> gangalino: well I never heard of that chipset on a motherboard ...
[02:51] <ShadeofGrey> hrdr: you have faster ram than 3200?
[02:51] <Pluk> ddr2/667
[02:51] <gangalino> it's not on the mb, it's a card. I'm going to post lspci -v on #flood
[02:52] <ShadeofGrey> hrdr: mated to a AMD64 3500?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> ShadeofGrey: not really, but 3200 is standard ram
[02:52] <bascule> gangalino: on a cd drive, yes, but not a motherboard, It's OK you don't seem to know what I mean, or I am missing knowledge
[02:52] <Pluk> thats pretty standard now ShadeofGrey
[02:52] <ShadeofGrey> ddr2 is expensive ... couldnt afford it
[02:52] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: sure - but anyway how much ram is enough?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention that the memory controler on an amd64 is onboard
[02:52] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, I only need about 10 thousand dollars to get me a hot dual G5 Mac
[02:52] <ShadeofGrey> okay well.. whatever all i know is that its dual channel running at 400 megahertz
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> so you only get 333mhz speeds in any case
[02:52] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, how much do you have ?
[02:53] <ShadeofGrey> a gig
[02:53] <bascule> gangalino: paste it in http://rafb.net/paste
[02:53] <ShadeofGrey> 2 512's
[02:53] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, nice
[02:53] <marcin_ant> bascule: 4GB?? on desktop?
[02:53] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, err that was 4 U :P
[02:53] <ShadeofGrey> heres a question foryou
[02:53] <bascule> marcin_ant: it was to illustrate that a linux box will swap out over time regardless of RAM
[02:54] <marcin_ant> bascule: I see.... but I don't like this at all
[02:54] <Octane> I plan on installing Ubuntu on my main box instead of winxp. now, my current hdd is pretty much full... are there any workarounds to install ubuntu to a small partition and later on worry about all the ntfs shit?
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: you really want a minimum of abotu 2gb
[02:55] <bascule> always
[02:55] <Pluk> Octane, what do you consider to be small?
[02:55] <marcin_ant> bascule: but when you got 4GB than you propably should create ramdisk as swap
[02:55] <Octane> Pluk: like 4 gigs
[02:55] <hybrid^away> Octane try damn small linux
[02:55] <Pluk> Octane, thats enough
[02:55] <bascule> marcin_ant: why does swap bother you?
[02:55] <Octane> hybrid^away: im not looking for an intermediary, just looking to install ubuntu and later on start reformatting my ntfs partitions
[02:55] <gangalino> bascule: OK
[02:56] <Octane> okay great, thanms HrdwrBoB and Pluk
[02:56] <gangalino> bascule: that's a nice page
[02:56] <Pluk> np
[02:56] <_hybrid> Octaane there is a live cd
[02:56] <marcin_ant> bascule: because I think that when you have enough ram (I still don't know how much) your system shouldn't swap at all
[02:56] <bascule> yes, there are lots of them, just a fave cause it picks up highlighting from a text editor and gives line numbers
[02:56] <Juice^> I bought myself a domain name, could i use it with irssi as a vhost? or does it depend on my isp?
[02:56] <marcin_ant> bascule: btw I prefer ramdisk as swap mainly because hdd swap is slow
[02:57] <bascule> marcin_ant: so swapoff /dev/hd?
[02:57] <MrCranky> anybody know how to open a chm e-book in Ubuntu?
[02:57] <Pluk> Juice^, your isp takes care of the reverse dns
[02:57] <bascule> marcin_ant: and remove it from fstab
[02:57] <Pluk> and thats that annoying long hostname 244-218.isp.com
[02:57] <Juice^> Pluk: ok.. is it hard to setup a vhost, any guide around?
[02:58] <marioch> MrCranky, look for gnochm, I'm not sure if it's included in ubuntu
[02:58] <bascule> gangalino: and the URL for this paste is .... :)
[02:58] <marcin_ant> bascule: sure - but I don't want to turn off swap if my system _really_ needs it
[02:58] <MrCranky> marioch, thanks
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: you realise that is entirely redundant
[02:58] <Pluk> never done it Juice^
[02:58] <Pluk> so dont know :)
[02:58] <jesuel> Juice^, for you to use a hostname for a vhost, you would first have to have a static ip, then you would ask your isp to assign the reverse dns to that static ip address
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: swap on a ramdisk is not of any use
[02:59] <Pluk> would be a great isp if they did that
[02:59] <jesuel> Juice^, alot of isp's will charge for the static ip, and they are sometimes very hard to get to assign reverse dns
[03:00] <Pluk> jesuel's story is way more informative :)
[03:00] <jesuel> ive done it, its a pita
[03:01] <Pluk> hmm maybe my isp would do it, i also managed to get a subnet :)
[03:01] <bascule> marcin_ant: saying a system should only swap when the RAM is full/nearly full is something you would need to argue with Linus Torvalds an company
[03:01] <marcin_ant> bascule: hmm propably yes
[03:01] <Juice^> jesuel: ok... thanks for the info
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: ram/swap operates that way because it's the most effecient
[03:02] <marcin_ant> bascule: but I really don't understant why my system uses swap
[03:03] <isma> .
[03:03] <marcin_ant> bascule: when it has free physical memory
[03:03] <gangalino> bascule: sorry, now I get it. It's http://rafb.net/paste/results/pI4aWm26.html, I was too busy lurking around other parts of your site, trying to find where you got this paste page from.  If you stand up for your consumer rights (and make enough of a scene), they'll do it.
[03:03] <delltony> anyone ran across this issue before? for some reason k3b after installing it says o have 0 space available on blank dvds any thing i could check cause i don't believe the drive is bad or i hope not anyway cause it was working fine with winblows
[03:03] <bascule> marcin_ant: try #kernel, they could give well founded reasons on the subject, I just accept it is the best way to do things
[03:03] <isma> i just installed ubuntu 4.10 today and it did not autodetect my sound card (ESS Allegro) i've been googling all day for a possible solutions but i cant find any... HelP?
[03:03] <Juice^> how do i detach, and attach irssi when im using ssh?
[03:04] <Pluk> Juice^, use screen
[03:04] <bascule> gangalino: that isn't my site ...
[03:04] <marcin_ant> bascule: for example now i got 94% in use of which 50% is cache
[03:04] <Juice^> Pluk: screen?
[03:04] <Pluk> man screen
[03:04] <Juice^> ahhh
[03:04] <Juice^> thanks :)
[03:04] <Pluk> yw
[03:04] <marcin_ant> bascule: and... 3MB swap.... I just wonder what for?
[03:04] <gangalino> bascule: now I see...
[03:05] <delltony> oh maybe thats what it is dvd shrink made it 4.8 and available reports as 4.4 interesting
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: caching files/etc is more useful than keeping unused memory swapped in
[03:05] <fsc> gnome and kde are resource hogs, even more so than xp
[03:05] <delltony> i thought dvdshrink did dvd9 to dvd5
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> macewan: so unused memory are swapped out
[03:05] <fsc> but at least you can run fluxbox if you want
[03:06] <macewan> HrdwrBoB: huh?
[03:06] <bascule> gangalino: I never resall seeing an NEC USB controller, wel I learn every day, is it a Dell?
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> macewan: sorry, I meant marcin_ant
[03:06] <macewan> k
[03:06] <fsc> can esd conflict with say playing mp3 with totem?
[03:06] <ShadeofGrey> hey linuxjones and everybody... does ubuntu support Nvidia cards? i mean things looked okay to meon the liveCD but i had a horrid time trying to get things going under fedora freebsd and gentoo
[03:06] <marcin_ant> HrdwrBoB: I don't get it
[03:06] <ShadeofGrey> thats why i dropped them all
[03:07] <fsc> ShadeofGrey, I think there's a .deb for nvidia drivers
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: basically, the kernel knows more about memory management than you do
[03:07] <ShadeofGrey> whats a .deb?
[03:07] <marcin_ant> HrdwrBoB: I can understand that when I have free ram than it is taken for cache
[03:07] <marcin_ant> HrdwrBoB: but I dont understant why system uses hdd when it still has free ram?
[03:08] <fsc> marcin_ant, why are you asking on #ubuntu? read some kernel books and goto #linux-kernel
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: because, as I said, caching files/etc is more useful than keeping unused memory swapped in
[03:09] <marcin_ant> fsc: because my first question was "how much ram I need to make my swap clean"
[03:09] <fsc> plus, as HrdwrBoB said, if you swap out least recently used processes then that can free up memory for other programs that are in use...but i'm no kernel expert
[03:09] <marcin_ant> fsc: and because I ask in "ubuntu desktop" context
[03:09] <bascule> marcin_ant: It also permits processes to have nonfragmented address spaces, regardless of how physical memory is organized or fragmented.
[03:09] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, nvidia in Warty is broken as we speak :(
[03:10] <gangalino> bascule: it's like this- Dell Latitude CSx laptop with a broken USB port, so I put in a RATOC Cardbus USB adapter, that connects to the Microsolutions Backpack USB dvd+rw. The NEC part is probably the dvd's internal host controller
[03:10] <bascule> marcin_ant: if you know what a seg-fault is or how mwmory is paged that last line will make things clearer for you
[03:10] <gangalino> I know the card works because other USB devices work under it, like USB-storage
[03:10] <fsc> if some in use program spikes up its memory usage, then it might be better to have some dormant processes in swap and have that free memory available for the in-use program
[03:10] <marcin_ant> bascule: ok thx
[03:11] <bascule> gangalino: yes, I have seen USB devices not recogninised by some hubs before, usually VIA
[03:11] <fsc> but there are books and mailinglists and all sorts of stuff to talk about linux kernel VM manageers
[03:11] <marcin_ant> bascule: then could you tell me how much ram (physical) should I have as minimum for ubuntu-desktop?
[03:11] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone know of a linux library site?
[03:11] <fsc> marcin_ant, a gig
[03:11] <khaled> hi.. is not there way to use windows driver for wireless network with linux ? ndswrapper ?
[03:11] <NetwrkMonkey> of all the linux related books out there?
[03:11] <marcin_ant> fsc: _minimum_
[03:12] <bascule> gnome, I would go 256, but it will *always* swap over time ...
[03:12] <bascule> marcin_ant: ^
[03:12] <fsc> marcin_ant, 512
[03:12] <khaled> NetwrkMonkey: library for what ? GUI / networking ?
[03:12] <bascule> minimum 256 comfortabe 512
[03:12] <NetwrkMonkey> eveything
[03:12] <NetwrkMonkey> ;-)
[03:12] <marcin_ant> bascule: sure - I ask about _minumum_ so I know that it will swap
[03:12] <fsc> much more comfortable a gig over 512
[03:12] <bascule> well 128 will work
[03:12] <fsc> 512 is barely comfortable
[03:12] <bascule> 256 is nice 512 is easy
[03:13] <marcin_ant> bascule: mhmmm
[03:13] <fsc> i'm at 632.7 MB of user memory right now
[03:13] <fsc> in use according to system monitor
[03:13] <bascule> second line of free -m
[03:14] <marcin_ant> bascule: then I should upgrade... I have old celeron 633 and want to install ubuntu - unfortunately 128MB
[03:14] <bascule> -/+ buffers/cache:        153         96
[03:14] <WW> NetwrkMonkey: Go to amazon.com, search for "linux" in books.  1,387 hits.
[03:14] <fsc> marcin_ant, just get 512
[03:14] <NetwrkMonkey> bah
[03:14] <NetwrkMonkey> i mean like a card catalogue
[03:14] <marcin_ant> fsc: it's not for me - 256 should be enough
[03:14] <bascule> marcin_ant: yeah 128 is tight and in an older amchine the drives are slower so you will feel it even more, gt another 128
[03:15] <fsc> marcin_ant, 256 is barely enough
[03:15] <fsc> marcin_ant, after browsing with firefox for a while, they'll be swapping hard
[03:15] <marcin_ant> fsc: I got 768 on my system and it works really nice
[03:15] <NetwrkMonkey> iirc linu.org has a good book selection
[03:15] <jesuel> i got 768 on my desktop, 256 on my linux console only machine
[03:15] <jesuel> it works pretty beautiful
[03:15] <jesuel> i wouldnt use a desktop machine with less than 512 these days though
[03:16] <bascule> fsc: please apste the second line of free -m for me, I am *really* interested in you RAM usage ...
[03:16] <fsc> bascule, ok
[03:16] <fsc> -/+ buffers/cache:        626        258
[03:16] <bascule> what on earth are yo running?
[03:17] <khaled> i got 1 GB
[03:17] <fsc> xchat, firebird, evince, SPE, vim, gaim, synaptic, gnome-terminal
[03:17] <khaled> so smooooooooooooth
[03:17] <fsc> you really want a gig these days
[03:17] <bascule> I have rhythm box opera(8 tabs)  xmms 4 eterms giftd and giFTcurses
[03:17] <fsc> firefox
[03:17] <marcin_ant> fsc: what is SPE and evince?
[03:17] <bascule> and gkrellm2
[03:18] <bascule> and a nautilus window
[03:18] <Pluk> SysInfo: Mem: 595/755M [||||||||||]
[03:18] <MrCranky> 512 MB works for me
[03:18] <fsc> evince is a pdf viewer,  SPE is a python wxPython IDE which is greeding tons of memory i bet
[03:18] <Pluk> free mem
[03:18] <Pluk> but maybe thats the difference between gnome and xfce
[03:18] <fsc> i really need another gig
[03:18] <DeanG> Synaptics suggestions for me to grab pictures from my canon digital camera?
[03:19] <fsc> firefox has a 100 meg (not bad), X is at a 100 meg
[03:19] <marcin_ant> fsc: I think that this SPE is broken or something
[03:19] <fsc> haha. clock-applet using freaking 20 meg!
[03:19] <marcin_ant> fsc: even Eclipse doesn't use that much ram
[03:19] <gangalino> what's the name of that moon phases app?
[03:20] <farruinn> pom
[03:20] <farruinn> it's in bsd-games or something like that
[03:20] <farruinn> *I think
[03:20] <fsc> trash-applet - 29 meg, wnck-applet 23.7 meg
[03:21] <Pluk> adds up really fast :)
[03:21] <marcin_ant> fsc: -/+ buffers/cache:     243720     402420
[03:21] <fsc> marcin_ant, SPE is using only 63.3 meg. now that's not bad at all for a pretty feature-filled python IDE
[03:21] <fsc> these applets are massive memory hogs
[03:21] <marcin_ant> fsc: with amule, xchat, gnome-system-monitor, firefox and eclipse
[03:22] <marcin_ant> fsc: some applets, and firestarter and apache2
[03:22] <fsc> gnome-panel - 70.4 meg
[03:22] <jesuel> wow
[03:22] <MrCranky> how do I make programs find libs in /usr/local/lib?
[03:22] <jesuel> fsc, your system is hogging ram
[03:22] <fsc> jesuel, yeah linux is greeding memory
[03:22] <stuNNed> will synaptic be completely removed from hoary stable for slimness?
[03:22] <jesuel> your linux is lol
[03:22] <mebaran151> yes
[03:22] <marcin_ant> fsc: there is something wrong with your system - maybe wrong/broken kernel?
[03:22] <mebaran151> I got my ftp server working
[03:22] <mebaran151> sweet deal
[03:22] <mebaran151> but I have a weird problem
[03:23] <Pluk> congrats mebaran151  :)
[03:23] <mebaran151> the nivida modules
[03:23] <mebaran151> for some reason
[03:23] <mebaran151> keep complaining about version magic
[03:23] <marcin_ant> fsc: my gnome-panel 29MB
[03:23] <mebaran151> I am able to load them with -f
[03:23] <fsc> marcin_ant, just stock warty kernel. there is nothing wrong with my system. gnome and company is greedy
[03:23] <x-naga> hey is ubuntu good for newbies?
[03:23] <fsc> x-naga, yeah
[03:23] <mebaran151> but is there anyway to pass the -f automagically
[03:24] <x-naga> and only 1 cd right
[03:24] <fsc> synaptic is 57 meg
[03:24] <fsc> gnome-cups-icon - 32.1 meg? WTF
[03:24] <x-naga> any screenshots of ubuntu
[03:24] <marcin_ant> fsc: are you sure that you got kernel optimized for your cpu?
[03:24] <bascule> linux memory management is a mystery, cause I can run all that in 150MB of ram
[03:25] <tkiesel> Less than a wek ago, I'd never run Linux. I'm typing this now from Warty and thanks to the forums I've done a considerable amount of tweaking. :)  So pretty good for Linux newbies.  Computer Newbies? I'm not so sure.  I'd always had fun poking through Windows XP's gut to mess with stuff, so I'm a tinkerer by nature.
[03:25] <fsc> bascule, yeah. those numbers a bit weird and really don't matter until you run out of real memory
[03:25] <jesuel> fsc, just curious, how long has your system been up?
[03:25] <rapha> How do you get the **!*%$"$" suspend function in GDM working?
[03:25] <fsc> jesuel, 3 days or so maybe. not long
[03:25] <jesuel> very strange
[03:25] <marcin_ant> fsc: my system is up for about 10 days
[03:25] <bascule> fsc: yeah, there is no way of understanding it, yoy relly would need to ask Torvalds and company to explin it :)
[03:25] <fsc> bascule, but these applets are memory hogs. no doubt about that - and gnome in general. i've got a gig, not that i really care, but others might
[03:26] <farruinn> bascule: but the kernel isn't what's hogging the ram...
[03:26] <x-naga> any screenshots of ubuntu
[03:26] <bascule> fsc: how were you seeing the memory count for each app?
[03:26] <jesuel> fsc, what kinda processor you using?
[03:26] <farruinn> x-naga: check gnome-look.org
[03:26] <fsc> bascule, system monitor
[03:26] <x-naga> k
[03:26] <fsc> jesper, 3.2 p4
[03:26] <bascule> farruinn: no but it *manages* the RAM
[03:26] <farruinn> bascule: ah, good point
[03:26] <jesuel> well with all that runnin, im sure your system load is low
[03:27] <jesuel> the system load on my main linux box sits around 1.75 to 2 or so average
[03:27] <marcin_ant> bascule: I got lower numers in gnome-system-monitor
[03:28] <bascule> yeah I was looking at mine and they are lower too
[03:28] <fsc> now i am running hoary not warty
[03:28] <isma> why?
[03:28] <tkiesel> It's been fun lurking and absorbing information. Take care, folks!
[03:28] <fsc> i could trim some stuff out of the kernel modules, but that's not the problem. it's Gnome/X
[03:28] <isma> isnt' warty the last realese?
[03:28] <Pluk> fsc, you could try xfce4.2
[03:29] <bascule> mind you nautilus 95.1MB ....
[03:29] <jesuel> nautilus is a memory hog
[03:29] <bascule> xmms 53.3
[03:29] <bascule> surely wrong ^
[03:30] <hybrid_> hey randabis
[03:30] <|QuaD|> any c++ guru's here?
[03:31] <marcin_ant> bascule: in my gnome-system-monitor
[03:31] <|Maragato|> |QuaD| go for #c++
[03:31] <hybrid_> |QuaD| guru wannab count?/
[03:31] <bascule> who knows the vodoo on memory management and can explin it?
[03:31] <marcin_ant> bascule: I got nautilus: memory 34MB, resident memory 16,5MB, shared memory 10,7
[03:31] <|QuaD|> |Maragato|: i need too much help for them ;)
[03:31] <marcin_ant> bascule: so... 95MB????
[03:32] <|Maragato|> |QuaD| ask away so, I also recommend www.cprogramming.com
[03:32] <jesuel>  79m S 26.0  8.1  32:27.50 XFree86
[03:32] <jesuel> now thats nasty
[03:32] <|QuaD|> |Maragato|: can i pm you?
[03:32] <jesuel> 26% cpu 79m ram
[03:32] <jesuel> just for xfree
[03:33] <hybrid_> wooooooo
[03:33] <|Maragato|> |QuaD| sure
[03:33] <DeanG> what app do you use to connect to your USB digicam?
[03:34] <marcin_ant> jesuel: switch to xorg
[03:34] <socomm> polyaudio
[03:34] <hybrid_> isnt xorg and xfree desktop enviromentts??
[03:34] <socomm> hybrid_: No.
[03:34] <hybrid_> what are they
[03:35] <randabis> hybrid_: no, they are different flavors of the xserver
[03:35] <khaled> hybrid_: no.. they are graphics server
[03:35] <bascule> lag
[03:35] <hybrid_> oo ii cc
[03:35] <Pluk> im wondering: my cpu is clocked down from 1.7ghz to 600mhz , if my cpumeter shows 5% does that mean 5% of 600mhz or 5% of 1.7ghz
[03:35] <tweek> is there a guide to apache on ubuntuguides.org?
[03:35] <socomm> They are window systems.
[03:35] <socomm> "X Window System"
[03:36] <randabis> I hope XGL takes off
[03:36] <socomm> Xorg is just a fork of XF86.
[03:36] <randabis> yep, because the xfree team changed the license and it conflicts with the GPL
[03:36] <bascule> Pluk: 600MHz
[03:36] <socomm> XGL, we are ready for take off.
[03:36] <Pluk> ty bascule
[03:37] <farruinn> this is going to sound odd, but could someone download the oroborus source (www.oroborus.org) and tell me how to build it?
[03:37] <farruinn> I see no ./configure, just configure.in and I have no clue :/
[03:37] <tweek> ./configure > make >make install
[03:37] <tweek> ./autogen.sh?
[03:37] <socomm> farruinn: sh autogen.sh.
[03:38] <fsc> yeah, give me XGL
[03:38] <farruinn> no autogen.sh....
[03:38] <socomm> What the heck is oroborus by the way.
[03:38] <fsc> gtk+/cairo/glitz/XGL -
[03:38] <farruinn> socomm: light window manager
[03:38] <socomm> farruinn: aclocal && automake && autoconf
[03:38] <randabis> any INSTALL readmes
[03:38] <socomm> automake -a -v -c --foreign
[03:38] <tweek> socomm know how to setup apache http serv?
[03:39] <farruinn> randabis: yeah, it's friggen weird, in INSTALL is just says run ./configure but there is none
[03:39] <randabis> hah
[03:39] <randabis> brb
[03:39] <socomm> tweek: edit the files under /etc/apache2
[03:39] <tweek> :)
[03:39] <tweek> genius
[03:40] <khaled> hey..how come i was never prompted to enter root password while installing ?
[03:40] <sls> ok i just can not get pxe to work...
[03:40] <|QuaD|> randabis: you a c++ programmer?
[03:40] <sls> what am i ding wrong?
[03:40] <socomm> tweek: also read apaches manual "man apache2"
[03:40] <farruinn> khaled: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:40] <sls> is there a good resource for pxe?
[03:40] <khaled> |QuaD|: what about c++? i know a little bit of c++ and pretty good with C
[03:41] <Pluk> farruinn, To first generate neccessary files out of the CVS Version of Oroborus, run `make -f Makefile.cvs'.
[03:41] <icerogue> Hi all, question what is the best video card to use for ease of instalation that can handle doom 3?
[03:41] <|QuaD|> khaled: can i pm you :) i am trying to find a bug
[03:41] <khaled> farruinn: thanks
[03:41] <socomm> khaled: Ubuntu is a rootless distro. Read farruinn's link.
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: 6600GT
[03:41] <khaled> |QuaD|: sure.. lets try
[03:41] <icerogue> HrdwrBoB: is that nvidia or ati?
[03:41] <farruinn> I think the root/sudo question should be #1 in the faq
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: nvidia
[03:42] <farruinn> Pluk: did you read that somewhere?
[03:42] <Pluk> farruinn, 1st line in the INSTALL file
[03:42] <hybrid_> farrruinn yea it shoulp
[03:42] <darmou> Does anyone know if you can install ubuntu on a hp prolient server?
[03:42] <Pluk> although it says for cvs
[03:42] <Pluk> you also must do it for the normal source prolly
[03:42] <farruinn> yeah, I'll try
[03:43] <darmou> And if so how, it does not seem to recognise the array?
[03:43] <darmou> I'm not sure if you can configure the server not to try to use the disk as an array.
[03:43] <Pluk> farruinn, and you prolly need libguile-dev
[03:45] <icerogue> HrdwrBoB: what about a card that is more wallet friendly?
[03:45] <Pluk> farruinn, oroborus is also in the repo's
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: if you want to play doom3
[03:45] <socomm> orobus doesn't look all too promising.
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: you would need at least a 600
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> 6600
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> really
[03:45] <farruinn> Pluk: I know.  I'm crazy
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> the 6600 is cheaper than the GT and should still be fine
[03:46] <farruinn> Pluk: besides, I'm in OS X atm
[03:46] <Pluk> hehe lol
[03:46] <stuNNed> 6600 is probly as cheap as you're going to get for good doom3 performance
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:46] <stuNNed> unfortunately have a p4 here and it is the suck w/doom3
[03:48] <linuxn00b> Hi, I was wondering if anyone here using GAIM, because I always get disconnected from AIM all the time :(
[03:48] <icerogue> what site tends to have the best prices for computer hardware?
[03:49] <linuxn00b> icerogue, newegg is good :)
[03:49] <stuNNed> newegg, icerogue
[03:50] <icerogue> ok with the 6600 what all would i need to do to get it running effectivly in ubuntu?
[03:54] <bascule> marcin_ant: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/spt2/chapter/ch04.html#79188 <-- some sort of answer
[03:56] <farruinn> Pluk: thanks for being more astute than I - this works beautifully
[03:56] <ramb0> i have decided, after much thought, to change from gentoo to another binary-based distro, as my 1ghz laptop just can't do all the compiling of gentoo... which os would you recommend(preferabbly one with Xorg)
[03:56] <Pluk> farruinn, your welcome
[03:56] <LinuxJones> ramb0, gee I wonder
[03:56] <stuNNed> ramb0: definitely not ubuntu ;)
[03:57] <ramb0> lol
[03:57] <allio> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. <- i'm getting that with libxext6 and libxext-dev installed to the latest version, what's the problem? :/
[03:58] <ramb0> how does ubuntu stack up on custom and high performace kernels: ie, is it easy to compile a custom kernel, and apply special patches( like nitro sources )
[03:58] <ramb0> and does it have bleeding-edge packages?
[03:58] <stuNNed> nitro sources? lol, sorry, it's a funny.
[03:58] <ramb0> lol
[03:58] <ramb0> http://nitro-sources.org
[03:58] <stuNNed> no thnx :)
[03:58] <Pluk> configuring a kernel can be a pain
[03:58] <Pluk> but as long as you know what hardware yur running and some common sense you can do it
[03:59] <ramb0> ok
[03:59] <Pluk> just takes a long time to check all options :)
[03:59] <ramb0> ok
[03:59] <ramb0> can someone here compare and contrast debian to ubuntu?
[03:59] <jdub> ramb0: see the website
[03:59] <ramb0> ok
[03:59] <Pluk> for me ubuntu=debian with newer packages
[04:00] <ramb0> that's good
[04:00] <thully> Ubuntu actually releases more often than once every Olympics..
[04:00] <hybrid-> Plluk pretty  much  and more updates
[04:00] <stuNNed> jdub: will synaptic be phased out of hoary? (i should hope so :)
[04:00] <Pluk> always ran debian unstable do had the same amount of updates as with hoary now
[04:00] <Pluk> do=so *
[04:01] <thully> why would it be phased out (synaptic)?
[04:01] <tha_gamemaster> hey hybrid- how's it  going?
[04:01] <stuNNed> thully: replaced by ubuntu update manager?  oh doh sorry, that's just for updates :)   ....well imho synaptic is nice fat hog.
[04:02] <thully> Ubuntu also focuses on having latest Gnome, and has xorg and newer kernels than debian (at least in hoary)
[04:02] <tony> Hello, how do I enable 1600x1200 resolution?
[04:02] <jdub> stuNNed: no
[04:02] <bascule> gah
[04:02] <stuNNed> warty is still good if you can get over the fact of not having xorg and having heavily patched xfree which is nice as well imho
[04:03] <thully> Also - it can be slightly easier to install Ubuntu than Debian (and my wi-fi works on Ubuntu)
[04:03] <Pluk> only reason to switch to ubuntu was xorg
[04:03] <tony> I used to have his resolution in WInXP...
[04:03] <khaled> sudo passwd root --> should enable root account according to the manual.. but it prompts for password ?
[04:03] <templario> alguien habla espaol que me ayude
[04:03] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, just do sudo su and then type passwd
[04:03] <icerogue> Ok which brand tends to be easier to set up in linux, ATI or nVidia?
[04:03] <tweek|afkish> ati :)
[04:04] <tweek|afkish> they jsut have crappier drivers
[04:04] <tha_gamemaster> icerogue, x86 ?
[04:04] <jdub> icerogue: nvidia
[04:04] <templario> i from chile
[04:04] <darmou> I think from what I read it is an integrated raid device
[04:04] <jdub> icerogue: it is very simple in ubuntu
[04:04] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: i am still prompted for a password. wht should i enter there ?
[04:04] <thully> Ubuntu has a plan to release every 6 months - Debian releases when "it's ready" (which often turns out to be every 2-3 years - Debian's current stable has 2.2 kernel by default, while Ubuntu has 2.6)
[04:04] <robertj> Should a Mobility 7500 have any issues with suspend?
[04:04] <templario> nadie habla espaol aca
[04:04] <tweek|afkish> anyone have an easy to read guide to apache http server, the on in the man file is a bit over my head =\
[04:05] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, you typed sudo su and hit enter?
[04:05] <LinuxJones> jdub, warty linux-restriced-modules for 386/k7 is still broken ?
[04:05] <stuNNed> tweek|afkish: apache's site has excellent documentation
[04:05] <icerogue> tha_gamemaster: yeah for now i am using a athlon xp
[04:05] <tweek|afkish> thanks stuNNed
[04:05] <thully> robertj:  I use that just fine with suspend using Xorg's built in drivers (I don't think ATI drivers work on this card)
[04:05] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: yes .. just "sudo su"
[04:05] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: and i am prompted to enter password
[04:05] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, odd, let me check
[04:05] <robertj> thully: I'm using the default drivers but it doesn't make it into X after resume
[04:05] <icerogue> jdub: why does ubuntu have nvidia built in or what?
[04:05] <farruinn> khaled: the sudo command prompts for a password, your user password
[04:06] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: yes..i am trying to follow the manual ..but not working
[04:06] <thully> warty or hoary?
[04:06] <robertj> hoary
[04:06] <Scaramouche> Can someone explain a strange discrepancy:  System monitor tells me "Used memory 188 MB" (out of 743 total)
[04:06] <khaled> farruinn: oh..let me try that
[04:06] <Scaramouche> But on the command line I'm getting a very different figure
[04:06] <jdub> icerogue: it's shipped in separate, but easy to install packages.
[04:06] <Scaramouche> used: 590 megs!
[04:06] <Scaramouche> I don't get this, which is right?  My swap is not being accessed at all, ever
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> Scaramouche: free -m
[04:06] <robertj> it's a G3 iBook
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> will tell you
[04:06] <bascule> there is a questiom, how can the nvidia drivers be ledally re-packaged into a .deb?
[04:06] <Scaramouche> damn!  loose patch cable from laptop, I'm typing into X-chat, nobody sees it!
[04:06] <bascule> legally*
[04:06] <khaled> farruinn: nice. that worked. is not that weird though ?
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> Scaramouche: the difference is likely buffers/cache
[04:06] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, just type in your normal user passwd after sudo su
[04:06] <thully> oh - you have a mac - I have an i386 - I've heard suspend doesn't work well on Macs...
[04:06] <farruinn> khaled: no, that's how sudo works.
[04:07] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: yeh.. thanks.. got it
[04:07] <hybrid-> robertj  what  arre  you  doing with  an ibook?
[04:07] <thully> correction - I use i386 version, I actually have a Pentium M Thinkpad
[04:07] <tha_gamemaster> suspend doesn't work hadly at all
[04:07] <jdub> khaled: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[04:07] <khaled> farruinn: ah. ok
[04:07] <tha_gamemaster> hybrid-, good boddy, I need your help my my g4 tower again, last night didn't work
[04:07] <hybrid-> lol ok
[04:07] <thully> robertj: did you try suspend-to-disk?  or just suspend to ram?
[04:07] <hybrid-> meet me in the onofficial ppc
[04:08] <robertj> thully: I tried closing the lid
[04:08] <LinuxJones> jdub, why are Warty linux-restriced-modules for 386/k7 broken ?
[04:08] <hybrid-> ubuntu-ppc
[04:08] <jdub> LinuxJones: as far as i'm aware, they're not
[04:08] <robertj> let me check the log
[04:09] <templario> help me
[04:09] <templario> i need help in spanish o irc ubuntu in spanish
[04:09] <LinuxJones> jdub, they been busted for about 7 hours, the new kernel installs but the restricted mods are uninstallable
[04:10] <farruinn> templario: try #ubuntu-es, there are a few people there
[04:10] <cryer> I'm having issues installing ATI drivers on Warty.  I install the deb (alien'd from rpm) but then I do: rmmod fglrx - I get the error:  ERROR: Module fglrx does not exist in /proc/modules
[04:10] <thully> I don't know if suspend-to-disk works on PPC, though...  All I know is this card suspends fine on x86 (actually, it takes excessive battery in acpi suspend-to-ram, suspend-to-disk works though
[04:10] <bascule> templario: /j #ubuntu-es
[04:10] <robertj> thully: what s level is that?
[04:11] <thully> ACPI level is S4
[04:11] <thully> for suspend-to-disk
[04:11] <randabis> does anyone know how to prevent system sounds from being recorded when you record from a microphone?
[04:12] <MobyTurbo> randabis, turn off system sounds?
[04:12] <LinuxJones> randabis, turn down the volume or unplug the mic :)
[04:13] <robertj> what script is it that gets exceuted on close of lid?
[04:13] <bascule> all i can think is mute them in lasa-mixr (or whatever) but there must be another way ...
[04:13] <randabis> that's a workaround...I need an actual solution...in windows you can select what source is recorded...I have not found a way to do this in linux
[04:13] <randabis> I need the sounds to still play (multitracking full duplex)
[04:14] <randabis> but I need them to not be recorded :/
[04:14] <stuNNed> jdub: which gnome based cd player do you recommend for ubuntu?  gnomebaker?
[04:14] <robertj> well, err, brb hopefully
[04:15] <robertj> ahh, whee
[04:15] <robertj> dist-upgrade fixed it, even without a reboot
[04:15] <robertj> that was nice
[04:15] <robertj> I really in no way expected that to work
[04:16] <robertj> so, umm, whee
[04:17] <randabis> I love audacity, but this is a real hinderance to recording
[04:17] <salti> Hi all! I keep getting the error that the "hald" service is required but not running...how do I enable "hald"? Thanks!
[04:17] <robertj> wowzers
[04:17] <jesuel> mmmm ben and jerry's chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream
[04:17] <jesuel> nummy
[04:17] <Pluk> rub it in!
[04:17] <salti> yummy
[04:17] <robertj> I now have a Linux laptop where everything but the modem works
[04:18] <robertj> Internal wifi + suspend, whee
[04:18] <robertj> I could care less about the modem thoughj
[04:18] <jdub> stuNNed: player? the normal cd player.
[04:18] <khaled> robertj: wifi works? which brand ?
[04:18] <robertj> it's an airport card
[04:19] <robertj> lsmod shows thats orinico
[04:19] <khaled> robertj: i got an inexq card.. can not find a driver for it.
[04:19] <stuNNed> jdub: sorry meant burner app
[04:19] <jdub> stuNNed: nautilus
[04:21] <salti> :(
[04:28] <plagerism> Anyone know how to setup cups in gnome, or any special steps I need to do??
[04:28] <mpq> I forgot how to enable an installed wireless driver
[04:29] <randabis> hmm
[04:29] <randabis> I think I may have found a way
[04:29] <randabis> amixer can do it I think
[04:30] <farruinn> http:cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4 ;)
[04:30] <plagerism> I didnt mean gnome, I meant Ubuntu, by default the cups web interface is deactivated, and I dont know how to activate it
[04:30] <calamari> hi
[04:30] <farruinn> plagerism: that doesn't sound right...
[04:30] <calamari> anyone know how to make gnome-keyboard-layout settings permanent?
[04:31] <plagerism> farruin:  the cups web interface doesnt seem to be responding
[04:32] <plagerism> What port is the cups web interface on? 631 right??
[04:32] <Pluk> plagerism, adduser cupsys shadow
[04:32] <trans_err> so they changed how columns work in OOorg 1.1.3-- any idea how to force OOorg to wrap each page into 2 columns and not the whole doc?
[04:32] <hybrid-> how do i get ightly builds?/
[04:32] <Pluk> that way you can login on the cups website
[04:33] <hybrid-> how do i get nightly builds?/
[04:33] <plagerism> Pluk, its not that I can login, its not responding
[04:33] <Pluk> you get the login screen back?
[04:33] <Pluk> or you dont get any website at all?
[04:33] <plagerism> Pluk, no, no login screen at all
[04:34] <mpq> I forgot how to use modprobe
[04:34] <Pluk> you sure cupsys is installed?
[04:34] <Pluk> and running?
[04:34] <plagerism> cupsys    6408     1  0 20:22 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
[04:35] <farruinn> could a firewall interfere with that?
[04:36] <tha_gamemaster> mpq what about modprobe ?
[04:36] <plagerism> yes a firewall could interfere with that, however I have no firewall rules up
[04:36] <mpq> I forgot how to enable an installed wireless driver
[04:37] <plagerism> you know what it was, I have never seen this before, but my loopback device wasnt setup properly
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> modprobe -l | grep -i nameofwirelessdriver
[04:37] <Pluk> it is listening on <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> if it's pcmcia grep that
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> or you can grep for net, for all net adapters
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> and then just modprobe drivername
[04:37] <plagerism> Pluk, I fixed it
[04:37] <Pluk> yup
[04:37] <Pluk> good
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> as root/sudo
[04:38] <plagerism> Now its just a matter of straightening out my networking issues
[04:38] <TongMaster> Anyone here up on the current status of latest Powerbook hardware support in Warty/Hoary?
[04:39] <TongMaster> IIRC there's no 3D support or Airport support. Is that the extent of the problems?
[04:39] <plagerism> I should just define my network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces right??
[04:39] <hybrid-> how do i get nightly builds???????
[04:39] <plagerism> and then those should be brought up wint /etc/init.d/networking right??
[04:39] <mpq> I don't think it worked
[04:39] <bascule> hybrid-: of what?
[04:39] <hybrid-> hoary
[04:39] <tha_gamemaster> mpq no news is good news, if it didn't say anything it did
[04:39] <bascule> no idea
[04:39] <hybrid-> ok
[04:39] <Pluk> plagerism, indeed
[04:39] <mpq> but the wireless card is still off
[04:40] <farruinn> hybrid-: cdimage.ubuntu.com maybe?
[04:40] <hybrid-> ok
[04:40] <mpq> how do I mount a windows partition?
[04:40] <salti> ALL the processes in my system monitor say that they are "sleeping". How do I activate them, at least the ones I'm using or need to use? Thanks
[04:40] <tha_gamemaster> mpq is it set up in fstab?
[04:40] <mpq> I don't know
[04:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, theres something wrong wit this: im using hoary - completly upgraded as of today  --- i can login to my ftp acc on a hosting server im working for through the command line and through gftp but i cant do it through nautlius which is my preferred method, it just shows me no files after i enter usename/password - how can i check output?
[04:41] <mpq> I don't think so
[04:41] <tha_gamemaster> mpq wel if windows is on hda1 then its just mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows, something like that
[04:41] <lavigj> hey guys, any suggestions on where to find libsdl1.2debian that is a higher package number than 1.2.7? ffmpeg needs it...
[04:42] <mpq> it says I don't have permission
[04:42] <tha_gamemaster> mpq as far as your wireless is concerend, did you install the wireless-tools? can you do iwconfig
[04:42] <templario> ubuntu-es please
[04:42] <tha_gamemaster> mpq type the same thing but put sudo in front
[04:42] <farruinn> templario: /j #ubuntu-es
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> hey guys
[04:42] <Pluk> hi
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> what is the command for downloading wine?
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> in terminal
[04:43] <Pluk> apt-get install wine
[04:43] <bosewicht> anyone have a working httpd.conf using users dir?
[04:43] <ubuntu2u> ty
[04:43] <calamari> is there a way to run a command after gnome has loaded but before the login screen?
[04:43] <bosewicht> i have yet to get mine working
[04:43] <calamari> I should say automatically run a command
[04:43] <mpq> it says I don't have permission to access windows
[04:43] <farruinn> calamari: taht doesn't make sense, gnome doesn't load until after you login...
[04:43] <farruinn> calamari: unless you mean gdm by gnome
[04:43] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, theres something wrong wit this: im using hoary - completly upgraded as of today  --- i can login to my ftp acc on a hosting server im working for through the command line and through gftp but i cant do it through nautlius which is my preferred method, it just shows me no files after i enter usename/password - how can i check output? is there anything i have to do to setup ftp to get it workin
[04:44] <tha_gamemaster> mpq someone can help you, its a very easy thing to do, bbl, food
[04:44] <tux_> man, what an essay
[04:44] <DeepSpaceAnt> lol
[04:44] <calamari> farruinn: oic.. well I want to run "xmodmap /home/calamari/.gkb_default.xmm" so that my custom keyboard settings take place
[04:44] <mpq> The folder contents could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows".
[04:45] <ubuntu2u> how do i use telnet in ubuntu. do i just go to terminal and write sudo telnet?
[04:45] <jdub> no
[04:45] <jdub> just run telnet
[04:45] <jdub> why would you want to run telnet as root?
[04:46] <calamari> farruinn: I figure there is a default file somewhere that I could just change and be done with it.. but nobody knows much about keyboards in linux :)
[04:46] <ubuntu2u> i dunno
[04:46] <jdub> don't run things with sudo unless there's a *really* *really* good reason to
[04:46] <farruinn> calamari: I think that's more of a general X configuration thing
[04:46] <calamari> farruinn: oic
[04:46] <farruinn> calamari: probably belongs in some xinitrc or something or other, but I have no clue :/
[04:47] <farruinn> (wow, that was really unhelpful... sorry)
[04:47] <lavigj> anyone have ffmpeg working under ubuntu?
[04:47] <calamari> farruinn: no prob.. is there a good x channel on freenode?
[04:47] <GammaRay> calamari: after gnome is loaded but before the login screen? huh?
[04:47] <DeepSpaceAnt> lavigj, im using mplayer, it works right - gstreamer / xine dont
[04:48] <calamari> GammaRay: you're lagged ;)
[04:49] <GammaRay> calamari: rather.. I didn't read carefully enough
[04:49] <buckminst> ok.. this is rather strange.. i'm trying to install ubuntu from the latest hoary CD image... and about 53% of the way through installing base ubuntu my laptop will shut itself off for no apparent reason.
[04:49] <lavigj> DeepSpaceAnt: that's fine, what about ffmpeg? I am looking for the encoding abilities... not the playback
[04:49] <GammaRay> calamari: try /etc/X11/Xsession maybe
[04:49] <calamari> GammaRay: ok :)
[04:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> lavigj, ah, no clue
[04:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> anyone know how to get debug from nautilus? i cant use ftp within nautilus
[04:50] <lavigj> DeepSpaceAnt: do you know where I can get a newer version of libsdl1.2debian?
[04:50] <GammaRay> calamari: that's global. IS there any reason you can't have gnome-session load it?
[04:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> lavigj, no clue :(
[04:50] <calamari> GammaRay: nope, except that I've never heard of it :)
[04:51] <ubuntu2u> ummm...
[04:51] <ubuntu2u> when i telnet something what is the hostname?
[04:51] <ubuntu2u> is that the ip adress or what?'
[04:51] <GammaRay> calamari: check out gnome-session-properties
[04:51] <lavigj> ubuntu2u: the ip address or something that will resolve to it. for example, www.google.com
[04:51] <GammaRay> it's in the menu somewhere also
[04:52] <lavigj> ubuntu2u: even though I am pretty sure they wouldn't let you know telnet in
[04:53] <lavigj> can anyone suggest a way to get an updated version of libsdl1.2debian without moving to hoary?
[04:53] <lavigj> or something unstable
[04:53] <calamari> GammaRay: thanks
[04:53] <farruinn> lavigj: what I do in cases like that is add a deb-src line for hoary in sources.list and apt-get source -b [package from hoary]
[04:53] <|QuaD|> khaled: you still around?
[04:54] <khaled> |QuaD|: yes
[04:54] <mpq> how do I upgrade from warty to hoary?
[04:54] <lavigj> farruinn: um... ok... I will look into that then. Will I have to compile it manually if I do that?
[04:54] <farruinn> lavigj: no, that's what apt-get source -b does
[04:54] <lavigj> farruinn: ok
[04:55] <farruinn> lavigj: check out the apt howto from www.debian.org/doc
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> mpq, by reading the ubuntu guid i think you just type sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> or hell i'll just give you a link
[04:55] <bascule> ubuntu2u: telnet cyberspace.org
[04:55] <lavigj> farruinn: ok, thanks.
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> bascule. it won't work. it says invalid command when i type telnet something
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> mpq there is the link
[04:55] <mpq> ok
[04:56] <bascule> ubuntu2u: telnet twenex.org <-- pdp-10 system you don't stand a chance of understanding it
[04:56] <lavigj> farruinn: is that going to cause synaptics to want to upgrade numerous things, or does that not base it on deb-src sources?
[04:56] <ubuntu2u> bascule, it says invalid command when i type telnet
[04:56] <ramb0> i have just installed ubuntu hoary; any tips for here on out?
[04:57] <farruinn> lavigj: nope, synaptic won't try to upgrade you to hoary
[04:58] <lavigj> farruinn: thanks for the help
[04:58] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me? when i try to run telnet it says invalid command
[04:58] <ramb0> apt-get install telnet?
[04:58] <salti> what is telnet?
[04:59] <ra> try apt-cache search telnet
[04:59] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, don't use telnet search google for "ssh tutorial"
[04:59] <bascule> ubuntu2u: what are you trying to do, bounce email, grab http direct?
[04:59] <ra> ok, so try apt-get install ssh
[05:00] <robertj> aha!
[05:00] <robertj> one last problem with my laptop
[05:00] <farruinn> ssh is already installed
[05:00] <bascule> ubuntu2u: friendly word, if you can't work out how to install it, stay awy from it for a bit, you have all the entertainment you need on that ubuntu machine
[05:00] <robertj> if I put my laptop to sleep, the only button which will wake it is the power button'
[05:00] <shad0w1e> well I finally tried out fluxbox like everyone said i should....
[05:00] <robertj> and that causes the machine to shut down ;)
[05:00] <shad0w1e> and I think it should come built into every distro of linux
[05:00] <bascule> learn how to use the shell, all telnet will do is get you another one, it *so* old that you'll get trouble all the time with it
[05:00] <Pluk> robertj, you have fglrx installed?
[05:01] <shad0w1e> nope
[05:01] <shad0w1e> its installed, but no 3d
[05:01] <GammaRay> fluxbox.. yawn
[05:01] <plagerism> thats strange, gedit uses the gnome-print stuff which works with cups, why doesnt abiword use this gui as well??
[05:01] <shad0w1e> well it sucks
[05:01] <shad0w1e> but it should still come build into every distro
[05:01] <lavigj> farruinn: shoot... I don't think that even has it
[05:01] <ubuntu2u> bascule, i dunno i read some article about port surfing and it said to do this and it is legal... i dunno lol
[05:01] <robertj> Pluk: what's that?
[05:01] <Pluk> the ati 3d driver
[05:01] <shad0w1e> like solaris comes with openwin
[05:01] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: why is that?
[05:01] <mpq> will I have to restart to upgrade to hoary?
[05:01] <shad0w1e> because its like 100KB window system
[05:02] <shad0w1e> with the basic: a window system
[05:02] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: icewm would be a betetr choice
[05:02] <bascule> port sufring with telnet i old news, it just raises alarms and gets you in trouble
[05:02] <robertj> Pluk: this is an nvidia laptop
[05:02] <farruinn> lavigj: that sucks :/
[05:02] <robertj> err adapater
[05:02] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: it's lighter than flux
[05:02] <|QuaD|> once hula includes ical, it is going to be awesome
[05:02] <shad0w1e> it's good to have when everything else is dead
[05:02] <farruinn> shad0w1e: I concur, fluxbox rox
[05:02] <Pluk> maybe nvidia;s 3d is bugging acpi too
[05:02] <shad0w1e> fluxbox can't rock
[05:02] <shad0w1e> its a window system
[05:02] <shad0w1e> thats it
[05:02] <bascule> although it is leagal, it is an unfriendly gesture, like walking about a night with a torch looking in windows
[05:02] <lavigj> farruinn: yeah..... I think I need greater than 1.2.8 for ffmpeg
[05:02] <marcin_ant> hi
[05:02] <shad0w1e> It's good to have, but not to use
[05:02] <robertj> Pluk: it works
[05:03] <robertj> its just that pressing the power button signals it to shut down
[05:03] <Pluk> cuz i had the same problem sleep and 3d didnt work at the same time
[05:03] <marcin_ant> does ubuntu use ~/.bash_profile ?
[05:03] <robertj> but my laptop wont wake the machine unless the power button is pressed
[05:03] <farruinn> shad0w1e: whatever, I used to use it all the time
[05:03] <Pluk> same here robertj
[05:03] <GammaRay> and I actually kinda enjoy using icewm :-P
[05:03] <stuNNed> jdub: i mean to burn mpg/ogg/flac to cd as cd tracks
[05:03] <shad0w1e> I'm considdering changing distros to get my stupid fglrx working, unless someone's got some newer tips....
[05:03] <mre> Having a problem with CUPS.  Anyone knowledgable about security issues?
[05:03] <Pluk> only diff is that ia have an ati card
[05:03] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, yes
[05:03] <marcin_ant> I switched from fedora but I would like to delete this file from ~/
[05:03] <lavigj> farruinn: actually... what the heck. it is saying that it needs Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-7 is to be installed, but the only thing like that is cvs...
[05:03] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones:
[05:03] <mre> CUPS, anyone?
[05:03] <shad0w1e> can you stick a menu onto flux ??
[05:04] <Pluk> and now using the non 3d driver from x.org, now it works like a charm
[05:04] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: but I cannot see these variables in "export"
[05:04] <Pluk> dont play games at all anyway
[05:04] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: it got one.. click on the background
[05:04] <farruinn> shad0w1e: in hoary, menu-xdg or something like that
[05:04] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: so I'm not sure if it is safe to remove this file
[05:04] <lavigj> farruinn: maybe this will do it - I think I found a less cutting edge one available
[05:04] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, what are you trying to do ?
[05:04] <mre> Trying to get past the default CUPS installation security.
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, i want to use telnet for port surfing cuz i read an atricle on it. how do i get net send to work?
[05:04] <mre> Anyone know what user to use?
[05:04] <Pluk> mre, adduser cupsys shadow
[05:05] <stuNNed>  /win 10
[05:05] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: hmm I just have for example JAVA_HOME in this file
[05:05] <lavigj> farruinn: bingo
[05:05] <stuNNed> oops
[05:05] <mre> cupsys already exists
[05:05] <lavigj> farruinn: thanks for the helpt though
[05:05] <farruinn> lavigj: no problem, glad you found a solution =)
[05:05] <lavigj> farruinn: me too :)
[05:05] <Pluk> you want to login to localhost:631 right?
[05:05] <shad0w1e> I meant a menu that I can add shortcuts onto, heh heh
[05:05] <mre> yes
[05:05] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: but I don't have JAVA_HOME in export's output
[05:05] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: edit the file :-P
[05:05] <Pluk> then you have to add cupsys to the shadow group
[05:05] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: and this is why I wonder if ubuntu uses file
[05:05] <farruinn> shad0w1e: go read the fluxbos website or something
[05:06] <shad0w1e> andalso get rid of that stupid thing on top of all the windows. i hate that thing
[05:06] <Pluk> that way cupsys can check the password and allows login
[05:06] <mpq> will I have to restart the computer once I'm done downloading the hoary upgrade?
[05:06] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, don't use telnet use ssh, search gogle for it there are thousands of how-to's for Linux + ssh
[05:06] <shad0w1e> hmm prob a good idea
[05:06] <mre> let me see if there's a group 'shadow'
[05:07] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, have you checked www.ubuntuguide.org ??
[05:07] <shad0w1e> man fluxbox looks rad cool from the site, but crap on my own computer
[05:07] <shad0w1e> guess i gotta pimp it up....
[05:07] <mre> Yes, there's a group shadow, but that doesn't help.
[05:07] <Pluk> why doesnt it?
[05:08] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: yes, but why?
[05:08] <Pluk> did you already add cupsys to the shadow group?
[05:08] <mre> Beats me.  I just want a printer to work.
[05:08] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: JAVA_HOME?
[05:08] <stuNNed> shad0w1e: lol
[05:08] <robertj> Pluk: Bug # 6625
[05:08] <Pluk> after that you need to restart cupsys through /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:08] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, is ssh already downloaded and i just need to install it using terminal or do i have to download it?
[05:08] <buckminst> Ok. Can anyone lend me some advice? During the ubuntu base installation, every time the installer hits a certain point, my laptop just shuts off. no warning, no apparant reason. I'm using an array 4 hoary CD image from the URL in the topic. Any clues?
[05:08] <ramb0> why does ubuntue never prompt me for a root password on install?
[05:09] <MacPlusG3> ramb0: RTFM
[05:09] <mre> user cupsys is now in groups dialout, lp and shadow.  Authrorization still fails.
[05:09] <trans_err> ramb0: because there is none
[05:09] <stuNNed> ramb0: cuz root account is disabled by default, it uses sudo instead, if you want a root account afaik after you log in you sudo passwd
[05:09] <trans_err> MacPlusG3: be kind
[05:09] <Amaranth> ramb0: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:09] <Amaranth> we really need a bot
[05:09] <billytwowilly> ever since I upgraded the kernel a couple days ago my laptop has started spinning down the hard drives while plugged in leading to irritating freeze times while it spins up again. How do I fix this?
[05:09] <khaled> yes
[05:09] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[05:09] <khaled> specially for that question
[05:09] <Amaranth> so i could do `root or something and have the bot spit that out
[05:09] <mre> I haven't restarted yet.  I will.
[05:10] <Pluk> after that you need to restart cupsys through /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:10] <MacPlusG3> trans_err: when things are in the FAQ... and *easily* findable in the FAQ
[05:10] <ramb0> stunned: that is clever, why is that?
[05:10] <Amaranth> that and ndiswrapper
[05:10] <shad0w1e> okay I'm gonna go give fluxbox a second shot before opening my mouth
[05:10] <shad0w1e> I'm gonna make it look like the pics on the website
[05:10] <trans_err> MacPlusG3: we may have inhereted a lot of debian, but no need to inheret the attitude
[05:10] <khaled> Amaranth: you have the link to ndiswrapper ?
[05:10] <stuNNed> ramb0: because it's basically a bad idea to use the root account directly, it's too dangerous.
[05:10] <ramb0> o
[05:10] <shad0w1e> u know i got ndiswrapper working without any trouble at all
[05:10] <ramb0> ok
[05:10] <ramb0> thanks
[05:10] <shad0w1e> and im a "newbie"
[05:10] <mre> OK, that made it work.  Thanks!
[05:11] <Pluk> mre, your welcome :)
[05:11] <shad0w1e> when they come out with a winmodem wrapper
[05:11] <shad0w1e> let me know
[05:11] <MacPlusG3> trans_err: F can be Fine.
[05:11] <stuNNed> ramb0: use sudo it will prompt you for your user password or you can create a root account if you wish, but it's not ubuntu policy, at least current, afaik
[05:11] <Amaranth> khaled: Yeah, but I have to google that one. :P
[05:11] <shad0w1e> i created an ubuntu root acount
[05:11] <shad0w1e> just type in
[05:11] <Amaranth> khaled: It's the first result for "ndiswrapper ubuntu" in google.
[05:11] <shad0w1e> sudo passwd root
[05:11] <shad0w1e> then su to switch into root
[05:11] <stuNNed> think just sudo passwd will do it no?
[05:12] <trans_err> sudo passwd works as well, but there is no need
[05:12] <trans_err> just sudo -s
[05:12] <shad0w1e> its annoying to have to keep typing in sudo at every damn command
[05:12] <shad0w1e> thats what i found
[05:12] <khaled> Amaranth: thanks
[05:12] <trans_err> shad0w1e: sudo -s opens a sudo session
[05:12] <stuNNed> sudo -s can be dangerous as it can change permissions of stuff created in ~/home
[05:12] <stuNNed> imho
[05:12] <shad0w1e> aight later fellas , im gonna go work on my fluxbox
[05:12] <farruinn> stuNNed: only if you screw around in ~ ...
[05:12] <shad0w1e> pimp it up
[05:12] <shad0w1e> heh
[05:12] <shad0w1e> its really fast
[05:12] <shad0w1e> cya
[05:12] <stuNNed> if files get created using sudo -s they are created as root, no?
[05:13] <farruinn> right
[05:13] <trans_err> stuNNed: yes
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> sometimes i huff butane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_______________________________________________
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> am i cool or what?
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> or what
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> damn!
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> nah staaa ever sick
[05:13] <marcin_ant> hmm I see there are sudo questions
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> i don't huff butane
[05:13] <marcin_ant> so I got another onr
[05:14] <marcin_ant> one
[05:14] <ubuntu2u> i sniff gas!
[05:14] <farruinn> ubuntu2u: please, that's very inappropriate for this channel
[05:14] <marcin_ant> how to ssh as root on localhost on ubuntu without root account?
[05:14] <lavigj> farruinn: "/ignore" :D
[05:14] <billytwowilly> what is SHA-1 used for?
[05:14] <Pluk> marcin_ant, never ssh as root
[05:14] <Pluk> just ssh as user the su there
[05:14] <marcin_ant> Pluk: on _localhost_
[05:14] <stuNNed> farruinn: so i take it the reason k3b-setup can be dangerous when run with sudo is what it creates in home?
[05:15] <Pluk> ah soz
[05:15] <marcin_ant> Pluk: I want to use "tramp" package in emacs
[05:15] <farruinn> stuNNed: oh, well for gui apps it's usually better to use gksudo or kdesudo (or whatever the kde equivalent is)
[05:15] <trans_err> stuNNed: you have to run k3bsetup2 as root
[05:16] <marcin_ant> Pluk: and open files owned by root with C-x C-f /root@localhost:/etc/fstab (for example)
[05:16] <marcin_ant> Pluk: is this possible when there is no root account?
[05:16] <farruinn> sudo emacs ?
[05:16] <Pluk> hmm dunno
[05:16] <Pluk> 1st thing i always do is enable root account :P
[05:16] <marcin_ant> farruinn: I don't want to fire another instance of emacs
[05:17] <marcin_ant> farruinn: I just want to open single file - as root
[05:17] <farruinn> hm, dunno then.  maybe ask in #emacs?
[05:18] <marcin_ant> farruinn: heh and you propably know their answer
[05:18] <marcin_ant> farruinn: "don't use rootless distro" :)
[05:19] <farruinn> hm, I see
[05:19] <farruinn> you could request a solution on the ubuntu devel mailing list I suppose
[05:19] <jesuel> no root account?
[05:19] <jesuel> what distro is this?
[05:19] <jesuel> :)
[05:20] <|QuaD|> jesuel: :)
[05:20] <jesuel> there is always a superuser account of some sort
[05:20] <|QuaD|> jesuel: you can enable root
[05:20] <jesuel> i know that :)
[05:21] <jesuel> thats the first thing i did when i installed ubuntu
[05:21] <regeya> and unlike os x, you won't void your warranty
[05:21] <farruinn> root isn't disabled, there just ins't a password
[05:21] <marcin_ant> jesuel: but there is no way to ssh to this account on ubuntu
[05:21] <jesuel> marcin_ant, do you have a user account on the system?
[05:21] <marcin_ant> jesuel: user? soure
[05:22] <marcin_ant> s/soure/sure
[05:22] <GammaRay> well root is overrated.. have never missed using it
[05:22] <ubuntu2u> farriunn, hey umm i installed an ssh server how the heck do i use it? i want to be able to telnet to other computation devications
[05:22] <jesuel> so just ssh to the user account and then sudo emacs wheverfile
[05:22] <marcin_ant> jesuel: I don't want to do this
[05:22] <mre> ssh requires a username as well as a host
[05:23] <jesuel> you could enable root to ssh in
[05:23] <jesuel> but i wouldnt do that ;p
[05:23] <farruinn> ubuntu2u: go read some documentation, you don't need a server on your machine to access other computers
[05:23] <mre> e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:23] <marcin_ant> jesuel: because I have my own configuration for emacs as user in  ~/.emacs
[05:23] <|QuaD|> so have you guys seen hula?
[05:23] <mre> that is ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:23] <regeya> ?
[05:23] <|QuaD|> ?
[05:24] <regeya> what's hula
[05:24] <marcin_ant> jesuel: and another thing is that when I'll forget that this emacs session is sudo session
[05:24] <ubuntu2u> farriunn shut the hell up! *proceeds to jump off building in monkey suit with cape on* you will never stop me! BTW do i need to have ssh installed on another computer i want to remotely log onto?
[05:24] <|QuaD|> new novell open source project
[05:24] <|QuaD|> was /.'ed earlier
[05:24] <marcin_ant> jesuel: then I'll change files in my ~/ with root priviledges
[05:24] <jesuel> hrm
[05:24] <mre> more than just installed.  sshd needs to be running on the remote computer
[05:25] <marcin_ant> jesuel: do you have emacs?
[05:25] <jesuel> have, yes...
[05:25] <jesuel> i dont like it
[05:25] <jesuel> or use it
[05:25] <jesuel> im a vi person
[05:25] <marcin_ant> jesuel: and you don't have root password?
[05:25] <jesuel> i do have a root password
[05:26] <regeya> indeed, sshd must be running
[05:26] <marcin_ant> jesuel: heh then there is no point trying
[05:26] <marcin_ant> jesuel: hmmm then...... how to remove user password?
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: don't run sudo emacs
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: just run emacs
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: as user
[05:27] <trans_err> marcin_ant: no-- let him have fun for a bite
[05:27] <regeya> marcin_ant: um, someone was lamenting not being able to open a file in emacs as root...?
[05:27] <trans_err> s/bite/bit
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: and then try to edit file like for example /etc/fstab
[05:28] <regeya> well
[05:28] <regeya> whee
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: you can do this as root
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: with "tramp"
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: just open file with
[05:28] <mpq> the hoary installer stopped
[05:28] <mpq> does that mean it's done?
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: ctrl+x ctrl+f
[05:28] <jesuel> i actually HATE emacs, lol :)
[05:29] <regeya> marcin_ant: so, what's your gripe again?
[05:29] <marcin_ant> regeya: and then /root@localhost:/etc/fstab
[05:29] <regeya> oh heh
[05:29] <marcin_ant> regeya: I don't wan to run two instances of emacs and remember which is "user" instance and which is "root" instance
[05:29] <regeya> I've got tramp set to use ftp by default :-}
[05:30] <regeya> marcin_ant: sudo passwd root
[05:30] <marcin_ant> regeya: then /ssh:root@localhost:/etc/fstab
[05:30] <farruinn> marcin_ant: use screen -S root sudo emacs
[05:30] <trans_err> have you kids tried amarok yet?
[05:30] <regeya> and quityerbellyachinalready
[05:30] <tux_> trans_err, it kinda sucks
[05:30] <trans_err> tux_: ?!
[05:30] <tux_> xmms seems to be better
[05:30] <tux_> IMHO
[05:30] <trans_err> tux_: how so? just curious
[05:31] <tux_> amarok that is
[05:31] <marcin_ant> regeya: heh so - there is no way to use tramp in emacs on "default rootless ubuntu" right?
[05:31] <tux_> has some coolness, but crashes often
[05:31] <trans_err> tux_: they just released a 1.2 final
[05:31] <regeya> I found that blogmax bitched on the os x box at work always used sftp, and I use the same .emacs there and here
[05:31] <regeya> marcin_ant: you're biting the head off the wrong person.
[05:31] <trans_err> tux_: just built it-- no normal crashes yet
[05:31] <shad0w1e> hey does anyone want to give me a crash course on flux?
[05:31] <mpq> what the hell just happened?
[05:32] <trans_err> shad0w1e: right click
[05:32] <regeya> marcin_ant: I guess you failed to notice the lack of 'Ubuntu Developer' nametag on my shirt
[05:32] <tux_> trans_err, maybe that was the problem
[05:32] <shad0w1e> I'm not that bad
[05:32] <jesuel> lol regeya
[05:32] <shad0w1e> i got X-chat open
[05:32] <mpq> I just upgraded to hoary... I think... and everything on the toolbars is gone
[05:32] <tux_> ah, nice
[05:32] <trans_err> tux_: i just rolled up a deb if you want to try her out
[05:32] <tux_> ok
[05:32] <mpq> it said the "trash applet" crashed and now there's nothing else on the toolbar
[05:32] <shad0w1e> but I got a theme : how to install?
[05:32] <tux_> i will build it
[05:32] <marcin_ant> regeya: sorry I just wanted to know if I really need root password to use tramp - nothing more
[05:33] <trans_err> tux_: make sure to grab the xinerama-devs -- for some reason it fails the build if you dont have them
[05:33] <regeya> marcin_ant: I wish I knew what the logic of not setting a root password is, but I don't.  So, my suggestion would be to set a root password, run emacs sudo, or run off and investigate how to get tramp to do what you want to do because not only do I not know, I don't need to know how to do what you want to do.
[05:33] <mpq> you have to be kidding me
[05:33] <mpq> this is running worse than windows now
[05:33] <Amaranth> regeya: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:33] <Amaranth> Man, I really need to make a bot do that...
[05:33] <tux_> mpq, living on the edge has it's risks
[05:33] <Pluk> LOL
[05:33] <tux_> =)
[05:34] <regeya> Amaranth, I'll file that link under 'stuff I'll read after I'm dead'
[05:34] <mpq> what is that supposed to mean?
[05:34] <trans_err> mpq: make sure you got everything properly and restart X
[05:34] <Pluk> ehehehe
[05:34] <shad0w1e> ok how do I add a menu onto fluxbox - where I pop shortcuts onto?
[05:34] <tux_> mpq, time to do a downgrade back to warty
[05:34] <tux_> eh
[05:34] <Amaranth> regeya: You didn't know why they disable root, that tells you.
[05:34] <trans_err> shad0w1e: terminal and your fav text editor is your friend
[05:34] <shad0w1e> I got that...
[05:34] <mpq> this is idiotic
[05:34] <Pluk> shad0w1e, your prolly ask that in #fluxbox
[05:34] <regeya> ...
[05:34] <tux_> mpq, i did that once too
[05:34] <shad0w1e> ohh
[05:35] <mpq> the trash applet is crashing repeatedly
[05:35] <shad0w1e> why didnt i think of that
[05:35] <tux_> was a pain
[05:35] <shad0w1e> thanks then
[05:35] <Pluk> :)
[05:35] <bascule> shad0w1e: ALL TEXT FILES ~/.FLUXBOX , i RECOMMEND READING THE DOCS AT FLUXBOX.ORG
[05:35] <mpq> and there's nothing on the toolbar now
[05:35] <tux_> so i started again with warty cd
[05:35] <Amaranth> regeya: If you're going to ignore it don't give advice about it, please.
[05:35] <regeya> !
[05:35] <trans_err> mpq: did you try restarting X?
[05:35] <tux_> mpq, try using the console
[05:35] <mpq> what do you mean x?
[05:35] <tux_> Ctrl+Alt+Bkspace
[05:35] <regeya> Amaranth: could you PLEASE direct that at the person who was needing to resolve an emacs issue? :-)
[05:35] <bascule> oops, I'll watch next time and not roll cigarrettes while typing, sorry :(
[05:35] <tux_> or Ctrl+Alt:F1
[05:35] <tux_> lol
[05:35] <tux_> he did it
[05:36] <trans_err> mpq: you should know what X is before you install hoary
[05:36] <trans_err> hahaha
[05:36] <tux_> gotta love them noobs
[05:36] <Amaranth> regeya: "I wish I knew what the logic of not setting a root password is, but I don't.  So, my suggestion would be to set a root password,"
[05:36] <trans_err> tux_: why did you ever think upgrading to hoary would be a good idea?
[05:36] <regeya> Amaranth, please leave me alone!
[05:36] <trans_err> tux_: did he*
[05:36] <tux_> trans_err, I wanted to try
[05:36] <tux_> hehe
[05:36] <Pluk> Amaranth, did you follow the whole conversation?
[05:36] <tux_> trans_err, love to live on the edge
[05:36] <trans_err> tux_: oh i run it as well
[05:36] <shad0w1e> u know, firefox starts up instantly on fluxbox -- it is a sight to be seen!
[05:36] <Amaranth> Pluk: I tried, I lag.
[05:36] <tux_> evidently mpq does too
[05:36] <regeya> also, Amaranth, I'm /ignoring you for now, so I'm going to direct the person I was talking to toward the link you provided THANKS AGAIN
[05:37] <tux_> shad0w1e, yes
[05:37] <Amaranth> Keeps jumping along on me.
[05:37] <trans_err> shad0w1e: okay now connect to a samba share and add it to your desktop :D
[05:37] <tux_> i use flux here on my damnsmall lcd pictureframes
[05:37] <tux_> very fast
[05:37] <regeya> marcin_ant: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:37] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[05:37] <tux_> mpq, well that worked
[05:37] <mpq> no it didn't
[05:37] <tux_> mpq, have you rebooted
[05:37] <tux_> >
[05:37] <mpq> now gnome isn't even open
[05:38] <trans_err> mpq: you didnt fully install hoary
[05:38] <|junit|> Can anyone tell me how to completely remove firefox?
[05:38] <mpq> I followed the directions
[05:38] <mpq> why didn't it work?
[05:38] <tux_> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:38] <Pluk> |junit|, apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox
[05:38] <mpq> I did that
[05:38] <trans_err> mpq: |junit| dpkg -P mozilla-firefox
[05:38] <trans_err> tux_: don't do that
[05:38] <tux_> mpq, some package missing
[05:38] <trans_err> ugh
[05:38] <tux_> ok
[05:38] <trans_err> dist-upgrade is horrid
[05:38] <mpq> I can't open the console now
[05:38] <Xenguy> |junit|: sudo apt-get --purge remove <packagename> should work
[05:39] <trans_err> pull things down as you need
[05:39] <Pluk> trans_err, explain?
[05:39] <mpq> I'm going to be pissed if I have to reinstall
[05:39] <tux_> mpq, try Ctrl+Alt+F2
[05:39] <trans_err> mpq: dont freak out-- you're missing some packages
[05:39] <marcin_ant> regeya: I know this page
[05:39] <tux_> mpq, yes
[05:39] <marcin_ant> regeya: but thanks anyway
[05:39] <trans_err> Pluk: dist-upgrade will pull down new packages, which has the potential to break stuff-- and a lot-- all at once
[05:39] <tux_> and Ctrl+Alt+F7 to come back to X
[05:39] <tux_> lol
[05:40] <tux_> didga do it?
[05:40] <tux_> hehe
[05:40] <|QuaD|> back to installing kubuntu on qemu :)
[05:40] <Pluk> trans_err, maybe with hoary
[05:40] <|junit|> I get this error on Firefox, and even reinstalling doesn't help =/
[05:40] <trans_err> Pluk: ?
[05:40] <Pluk> but then again its beta
[05:40] <mebaran151> hey
[05:40] <trans_err> |junit|: what error?
[05:40] <regeya> marcin_ant: seriously, if I were you, it sounds like you have a need for a root password, so I'd go ahead and set a password if I were you.  I even set root passwords on OS X machines, despite the near complete lack of needing to do so (notice I said 'near complete lack', emphasis on 'near' ;-)
[05:40] <|junit|> Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser
[05:40] <mebaran151> I have a nvidia modules problems
[05:40] <mebaran151> problem
[05:40] <mebaran151> sorry
[05:40] <trans_err> mebaran151: have you read the binary driver howto?
[05:40] <mebaran151> nvidia modules wont modprobe because it is the Invaild Format
[05:40] <mebaran151> yes
[05:41] <mebaran151> it installs
[05:41] <mebaran151> so I did a modprobe -f
[05:41] <mebaran151> and it works
[05:41] <trans_err> ugh
[05:41] <mebaran151> they load correctly and I can restart x
[05:41] <bascule> |junit|: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/fix-extensions.html
[05:41] <|junit|> Saw that
[05:41] <|junit|> I don't have a ~/.phoenix/ dir
[05:42] <bascule> not work, try ~/.firefox instead of ~/.phoenix?
[05:42] <trans_err> |junit|: because it hasn't been there for a while
[05:42] <mebaran151> how can i pass
[05:42] <trans_err> |junit|: try ~/.mozilla
[05:42] <marcin_ant> regeya: I agree
[05:42] <|junit|> sweet
[05:42] <|junit|> thanks for the help
[05:43] <marcin_ant> regeya: I could use sudo emacs but is so uncomfortable....
[05:43] <mpq> this is infuriating
[05:43] <regeya> marcin_ant: *nod*
[05:43] <mpq> nothing is working now
[05:43] <marcin_ant> regeya: and now I got root password and I'm happy ;)
[05:43] <tux_> mpq, can you do the switch to another console... like i said?
[05:43] <regeya> heh
[05:43] <regeya> w00t
[05:44] <tux_> mpq, try Ctrl+Alt+F2
[05:44] <mpq> I did that
[05:44] <tux_> ok
[05:44] <trans_err> mpq: i'm running hoary-- it does work-- nothing i can see is broken-- try an apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <mpq> I couldn't do anything in it
[05:44] <mpq> I had to reboot
[05:44] <tux_> but tabbing between consoles  you should be able to find one that allows you to
[05:44] <marcin_ant> regeya: heh I need to find out what this *nod* and w00t means ;>
[05:45] <mpq> but I don't know what I'm supposed to do in the console
[05:45] <tux_> do sudo apt-get upgrade / update
[05:45] <bassinboy> LOL@ funny ebay auctions http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5558812835&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
[05:45] <tux_> mpq, type that command using "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:45] <tux_> in the other console
[05:45] <tux_> cli is not that bad
[05:45] <marcin_ant> regeya: ok - now I'm geek - I know what w00t means :)
[05:45] <tux_> lol
[05:47] <tux_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w00t&btnG=Google+Searchhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w00t&btnG=Google+Search
[05:47] <tux_> oops
[05:47] <tux_> rumor has it the SHA-1 has been cracked
[05:48] <tux_> for real
[05:48] <|junit|> Hey, I have a question about Hoary, is it stable and what is the biggest difference?
[05:48] <trans_err> |junit|: it is for me-- differences include gnome changes (most noticable)
[05:48] <trans_err> |junit|: oh and xorg
[05:49] <crimsun_> tux_: that's a really tall stretch. Even with the collisions that are forceable in MD5 and SHA1, they were a _long_ way from being "cracked."
[05:49] <tux_> yea, but reputable source from slackware group just told me about it
[05:49] <crimsun_> (not that it's not possible, because anything's possible, ...)
[05:49] <|junit|> Does apt-get have all the packages Warty does?
[05:49] <tux_> lol
[05:49] <tux_> apt-get has moe
[05:49] <|junit|> what
[05:50] <tux_> depends on what u want
[05:50] <tux_> something like 20K in debian sources
[05:50] <|junit|> im gonna download it =D
[05:50] <tux_> lol
[05:50] <crimsun_> tux_: ah, from Bruce Shneier's web site?
[05:50] <crimsun_> Schneier^
[05:51] <tux_> yea, that was what Alan said
[05:51] <crimsun_> yeah, I'm reading about it now.
[05:51] <tux_> Alan is rewriting the manual for slack
[05:51] <crimsun_> if this is verified (it looks like it will be), this is gonna stomp something major :(
[05:52] <tux_> yes
[05:52] <tux_> scary
[05:53] <dud> what are ya talking about...?
[05:54] <tux_> SHA-1 craked
[05:54] <crimsun_> dud: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html
[05:54] <tux_> cracked
[05:54] <tux_> thks crimsun
[05:54] <crimsun_> collision attack
[05:54] <tux_> lol
[05:55] <ewhitten> evenin' all.
[05:55] <ewhitten> or well, whenever it is there.
[05:55] <tux_> welcome
[05:55] <tux_> or greetings suffice
[05:55] <regeya> xargs: invalid option -- I  <- (!)
[05:55] <dud> damn...
[05:55] <ewhitten> random question:  anyone tried to get on a cingular wifi hotspot with ubuntu?
[05:56] <crimsun_> regeya: what command are you feeding it?
[05:56] <ImagistTD> Hello
[05:56] <tux_> ewhitten, it should work unless they have some bogus login process
[05:56] <regeya> oh hooray
[05:56] <regeya> --replace={} works
[05:56] <ewhitten> tux_:  yeah, I spent almost an hour in philly international airport yesterday morning trying to get on.
[05:57] <ImagistTD> I'm having problems with an install
[05:57] <ewhitten> I could associate, see the AP feeding me a WEP key, but... no DHCP servers answering.
[05:57] <ImagistTD> I'm new to linux
[05:57] <regeya> crimsun_ if you must know, and I just got it to work, I was trying to do (for various reasons) ls *.gz | sed s/.gz//g | xargs -I {} mv {}.gz {}
[05:57] <ImagistTD> can anybody help?
[05:57] <regeya> but I did it, it worked beautifully as xargs --replace={} mv {}.gz {}
[05:57] <ewhitten> ImagistTD:  don't ask to ask questions, just go for it. :)
[05:58] <alien_in_rm_301> once i have a program installed through synapse how do i get it's icon in the applications menu?
[05:58] <regeya> meh.  I thought os x also used gnu xargs...h.
[05:58] <regeya> hm.
[05:58] <crimsun_> regeya: ah, I would have used a for loop with sed, too
[05:58] <ImagistTD> I'm running a Dell Inspiron 1100 and I can't get past  Retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di
[05:58] <ImagistTD> I tried the noapic workaround
[05:59] <calamari> re's
[05:59] <heydude> hey i need some help - i want to dual boot a computer
[05:59] <tux_> uhoh
[05:59] <tux_> heydude, one drive or 2?
[05:59] <alien_in_rm_301> anyone know how to get icons in the applications menu of apps that you just installed
[06:00] <ImagistTD> is there any other workaround?
[06:00] <regeya> soon as I finish rsync'ing my blogmax folder to my work box, that is. ;-)
[06:00] <calamari> I think I've been able to trace the default keyboard mapping to the file xmodmap.us-101  I tried doing a text search for that, but the Find tool seems to keep locking up on me.  Is it bad to search from / ?
[06:01] <calamari> I'm trying to figure out which file loads the xmodmap.us-101 file
[06:01] <heydude> i just have 1 drive
[06:01] <heydude> its for an old comp
[06:01] <heydude> i finally got it networked, and want to try out linux since it should run much smoother
[06:02] <ImagistTD> my install hangs at  "Retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di"
[06:02] <ImagistTD> that's common for dell laptops
[06:02] <SiRrUs> good evening boys
[06:02] <ImagistTD> but I can't get any of the workarounds to work
[06:02] <CarlK> what do I apt-get to update all?
[06:03] <CarlK> upgrade
[06:03] <tux_> ImagistTD, what chipset for the NIC?
[06:03] <CarlK> got it
[06:03] <alien_in_rm_301> ok nobody can help me
[06:03] <alien_in_rm_301> i give up
[06:03] <calamari> alien_in_rm_301: or you simply have no patience ;)
[06:03] <crimsun_> alien_in_rm_301: how did you install those apps?
[06:03] <ewhitten> alien_in_rm_301:  menu editing is currently not possible through the GUI
[06:04] <ewhitten> you can always create the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications.
[06:05] <regeya> crimsun_: sorry, I seem to be typing in irc client first, reading manpage later.  I'll try to stop that. :-}
[06:05] <ewhitten> speaking of which, has anyone else in hoary had a Debian menu randomly appear under applications
[06:05] <alien_in_rm_301> I installed them with synapse
[06:05] <crimsun_> ewhitten: "randomly?" ;) So 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' were installed?
[06:05] <Bandit> ewhitten a couple weeks ago
[06:06] <calamari> ewhitten: you can go to applications:/// to set up menus
[06:06] <ewhitten> okay, so by "randomly," I mean "when I wasn't paying attention"
[06:06] <neom> Any of you guys have apache running on ubuntu?
[06:06] <calamari> although it's a crapshoot as to whether the icons you choose will stick or if they'll go to a default setting
[06:06] <ewhitten> calamari:  I thought that wasn't working in gnome 2.10 beta?
[06:06] <alien_in_rm_301> sorry i dont have alot of time tonight, i dont mean to seem impatient
[06:06] <crimsun_> neom: for a short while I did; used aptitude to install it
[06:06] <crimsun_> ewhitten: it only works for warty
[06:07] <calamari> ewhitten: sorry, maybe I came in late.. I'm referring to 2.8 :)
[06:07] <neom> aptitude?
[06:07] <ImagistTD> Tux_, I don't know which chipset offhand, but a quick search says that inspiron 1100s have the CMD64x chipset, so that's probably it
[06:07] <ewhitten> that's what I thought.
[06:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys after i did a ubuntu update and polysound was installed i cant play music in rhythmbox / totem / mplayer anymore
[06:07] <dud> heydude, good to hear you want to try out linux... but the default ubuntu install doesnt really run too fast on old computers :)
[06:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> any ideas
[06:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> ?
[06:07] <neom> I was just going to get it from synaptic.
[06:08] <DeepSpaceAnt> noone knows wats wrong?
[06:08] <calamari> heydude: I'm working on updating Grey Cat Linux to use some of the Ubuntu features.. going slow though.  Basically I have the 2.4.29 kernel going.  No X yet :P
[06:08] <dud> does ubuntu have polyphonic sound drivers by default?
[06:08] <ewhitten> DeepSpaceAnt:  I think the polypaudio isn't quite the drop-in replacement it needs to be right now.  I did the same thing today on two machines.. one worked perfectly, the other had the same problem as you.
[06:08] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022670.html
[06:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, so should i just install esound again?
[06:09] <ewhitten> DeepSpaceAnt:  maybe you should read that link crimsun_ just posted first. :)
[06:09] <|junit|> Ubuntu mirrors are so fast =D
[06:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, :P yea
[06:09] <dud> |junit|, thats the idea of mirrors yes hehe
[06:10] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, k tw, all working
[06:10] <ewhitten> cool
[06:10] <ewhitten> thank crimsun_, not me. :-P
[06:10] <mpq> okay, it's working now... finally...
[06:10] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, those steps are clean or is that just a hack for now?