[05:01] <inetpro> good morning
[05:01] <inetpro> heh
[05:01] <Kilos> jumping up and down
[05:01] <Kilos> oh wow
[05:01] <Kilos> beautiful
[05:02] <inetpro> do you have to join a few seconds after I greet everyone?
[05:02] <Kilos> ty so much superfly  inetpro  and captine
[05:02] <Kilos> yes
[05:02] <Kilos> im me
[05:02] <Kilos> me you greet independantly
[05:02] <inetpro> :-)
[05:02] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[05:03] <inetpro> Hi Kilos
[05:03] <Kilos> if i dont hear a bloep it means you dont care
[05:04] <Kilos> the sight is lovely hey
[05:04] <inetpro> the fly did like 99% of it
[05:04] <inetpro> looking great yes
[05:05] <Kilos> i know, as usual, but you were there to support and give opinions
[05:06] <Kilos> he must add it now on his wiki page so they can go look so long
[05:06] <Kilos> one guy already wants to vote via email before the meeting
[05:07] <Kilos> but im sure fly is in
[05:07] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:07] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:08] <Kilos> gaan kyk nuwe site https://ubuntu-za.org/
[05:08] <inetpro> eish and we have ourselves some more LoadShedding from 8:00 this morning
[05:08] <Kilos> ons het n vlieg, n super vlieg
[05:08] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[05:08] <Kilos> id forgotten about that
[05:10] <mazal> The irc channel name is wrong I see
[05:11] <mazal> It says #openlp instead of #ubuntu-za
[05:11] <inetpro> mazal: ouch! How did we miss that?
[05:11] <Kilos> lol
[05:12] <inetpro> superfly: please fix that first
[05:12] <mazal> inetpro: The one under "getting involved"
[05:12] <Kilos> and its hard work to change with the propose stuff
[05:12] <Kilos> no edit function
[05:13] <mazal> It looks very nice everyone who's involved
[05:14] <mazal> Nice work guys
[05:14] <inetpro> Am on my cell now, will only be on pc much later today
[05:15] <inetpro> guys, anyone can do this fixing, please try
[05:16] <mazal> Ok I will try
[05:16] <inetpro> just follow the branching instructions
[05:17] <mazal> Oh no , that look to complicated
[05:17] <mazal> Not gonna go mess there
[05:17] <Kilos> lol
[05:18] <inetpro> ai tog! ;)
[05:18] <mazal> I don't karring with things I don't know
[05:18] <mazal> Especially when it's someone else's things I could break :P
[05:19] <Kilos> sshh i must find the stuff
[05:21] <Kilos> hi bduk
[05:22] <Kilos> im in ubuntu-za here now must i go with new branch or does one edit an existing branch
[05:22] <bduk> Huh More Kilos Jy die bed nat gemaak vanmore dat jy so vroeg is??
[05:23] <Kilos> ek was gister ook voor jou hier man
[05:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:23] <bduk> Seker??
[05:23] <Kilos> ja
[05:26] <Kilos> eergister het ek laat hier geland
[05:29] <bduk> Ok Kilos
[05:29] <Kilos> lol
[05:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:44] <Kilos> wbb
[05:47] <Kilos> back
[06:54] <superfly> inetpro: heh, oops
[06:54] <superfly> inetpro: I'm only going to be able to fix that this evening :-(
[06:55] <inetpro> hmm, no stress
[06:56] <inetpro> you'll just have to live with the extra visitors in your channel
[06:56] <inetpro> :-)
[06:56] <superfly> haha, unlikely that we'll get any
[07:06] <superfly> inetpro: also, mixed content doesn't work in the Fox
[07:06] <superfly> inetpro: so the chat widget doesn't load
[07:06] <superfly> need to fix that too
[07:07] <superfly> inetpro: according to trunk, it should be using #ubuntu-za
[07:08] <qwebirc88025> inetpro: see?
[07:08] <qwebirc88025> it's MEEEEEEE
[07:09] <superfly> inetpro: oh, I see now
[07:12] <inetpro> ah, just the client details
[07:13] <inetpro> not serious
[07:13] <superfly> ja
[07:15] <inetpro> superfly: please merge
[07:15] <superfly> done
[07:16] <superfly> will upload when I get home
[07:16] <inetpro> ok
[07:21] <Squirm> Morning
[07:21] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[07:22]  * nuvolari reaches Zombie state -.-
[07:22] <nuvolari> got in bed just past midnight
[07:22]  * nuvolari mumbles something about board games taking a lot of time
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:41] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:53] <captine> site looks great guys
[07:54] <superfly> thanks captine
[07:55] <captine> off to work i go.
[07:55] <captine> chat later,
[07:55] <superfly> I'm already there
[08:03] <captine> lol
[08:03] <captine> i just got back from doc appointment.  daughter enters the world soon... so now heading
[08:04] <superfly> woohoo!
[08:08] <superfly> hey elacheche!
[08:09] <elacheche> Morning superfly.. Greetings from North Africa → Tunisia :D
[08:09] <superfly> elacheche: I heard so!
[08:10] <elacheche> :D
[08:16] <bduk> Dem eksdom
[08:17]  * mazal mompel net gekruide taal en se verder niks
[08:22] <Jacques_Stry> You guys have the wrong channel listed on the website :)
[08:22] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: we know, the fix will go out tonight
[08:23] <Jacques_Stry> haha, glad to see a local Ubuntu group going up - look forward to participating
[08:24] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: going up? we've been going for 8 years
[08:25] <Jacques_Stry> O.O where have I been... if Dave didn't post this on google+ I would have never heard about this!
[08:25] <Jacques_Stry> Ahem I meant Danie
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> where is the new site fly?
[08:31] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: https://www.ubuntu-za.org/
[08:31] <superfly> Jacques_Stry: I figured that's where you found out.
[08:34] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> ta
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos
[08:40] <Kilos> ai! thats my bit towards load shedding for the day hopefully
[08:40] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:41] <Kilos> ohi superfly  well done sir
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz  superfly  ++
[08:43] <Kilos> so inetpro  did you share the same load shedding slot?
[08:43] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:45] <Kilos> sjoe another strydom
[08:45] <Kilos> inetpro  you have company
[08:45]  * Kilos hides
[08:51] <Squirm> 1 hour to go :/
[08:51] <Kilos> ai!
[08:51] <Kilos> those 2 1/2 hours seem to take forever hey
[08:52] <Squirm> Depends if I have to give up my laptop to someone who needs it more
[08:52] <Kilos> oh my
[08:53] <Squirm> Yeah, our Customer Service agents have iMacs
[08:54] <Kilos> go hide with the lappy. let them use someone elses
[08:55] <Kilos> i love the zulu greeting
[08:56] <Jacques_Stry> Thanks Kilos
[09:00] <Kilos> oh wow inetpro  our new site is fast
[09:00] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/ rocks
[09:01]  * Kilos jumps up and down
[09:35] <Squirm> 25min to go
[09:36] <Squirm> Nice website
[09:36] <Squirm> you guys do know in Getting-Involved, under IRC, the channel is #openip
[09:36] <Squirm> not #ubuntu-za
[09:36] <Kilos> yip we gotta wait for fly to get home to fix it
[09:37] <Kilos> he must have been almost asleep when he was finishing up
[09:37] <Squirm> Ok
[09:37] <Kilos> and multitasking as well
[09:37] <Squirm> Just thought I'd let you know
[09:37] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[10:03] <Squirm> and we;re off
[10:04] <Kilos> lol
[11:29] <Squirm> Hi
[11:31] <superfly> Squirm: there's already a merge proposal to fix that.
[11:31] <Squirm> superfly: ok
[11:32] <superfly> We spotted it early this morning
[11:32] <superfly> And it's one of my other channels, so I can send people on.
[12:06] <Squirm> We're back online
[14:33] <Kilos> hi guys from africa
[14:34] <Kilos> hi rudi-is-me
[15:17] <superfly> Joy. Load shedding from 20:00 till 22:30 tonight.
[15:17] <Kilos> ouch
[15:18] <superfly> Guess I'd better have my phone and netbook fully charged
[15:18] <Kilos> catch a nap superfly
[15:18] <superfly> Not a bad idea
[15:19] <Squirm> Yep
[15:19] <Squirm> Damn Stage 3 and all
[15:19] <Squirm> :/
[15:20] <Squirm> 2 cuts in one day :/
[15:20] <Squirm> My laptop is on 70%, hasn't even recovered from the last one
[15:21] <Squirm> 3 hours until full
[15:21]  * Squirm closes chrome
[15:21] <Squirm> Munching my power
[15:25] <Kilos> ai!
[15:36] <Squirm> closed chrome 10min ago, saying 56min till full
[15:36] <Squirm> so it pretty much dropped my charging time for 2 hours
[15:39] <Squirm> Home time for me
[16:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:23] <superfly> inetpro: ping
[16:27] <superfly> inetpro: fixed site
[16:31] <Kilos> ty for a wonderful job superfly  and all the long hours and late night
[16:31] <Kilos> s
[16:31] <Kilos> and mornings too
[16:36] <inetpro> superfly: pong
[16:36] <inetpro> thanks
[16:37] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  go see https://ubuntu-za.org/
[17:10] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:35] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:37] <stickyboy> superfly: Very nice site, dude.
[17:37] <superfly> thanks stickyboy!
[17:37] <stickyboy> I like the mandatory HTTPS, and I notice you support strong crypto.
[17:37] <stickyboy> TLS 1.2 + AES-128-GCM is winning.
[17:38] <Kilos> hi stickyboy  you havent joined #ubuntu-africa
[17:39] <Kilos> its growing
[17:40] <stickyboy> Kilos: Too many channels, br0.
[17:40] <Kilos> i think i will use it as part of my application for ubuntu membership tonight
[17:40] <stickyboy> But haiya, lemme join.
[17:50] <Kilos> hi captine   go see https://ubuntu-za.org/
[17:50] <captine> evening
[17:50] <Kilos> ty for the help
[17:51] <captine> lol.  not even 100kb of text from me... :)  have been showing the site to my 2 colleagues that I "converted" to ubuntu
[17:51] <Kilos> great where are they
[17:52] <Kilos> every bit helped the fly i think
[17:53] <inetpro> captine: you can still add more
[17:54] <captine> i know
[17:54] <captine> may finish my "getting started" page and send it for you guys to review
[17:55] <captine> i will never remember Nikola if I dont do some more
[17:55] <captine> even if it doesnt go live :)
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <captine> So.. I am desperate for some South African success stories with Linux as opposed to Windows in the corporate world.  My Windows IT are putting demo SharePoints in, Project Servers, SQL Server clusters etc etc and are not keen on looking at anything outside the Microsoft stack.
[17:58] <Kilos> eish
[17:58] <captine> Basically, looking for a reference site with an Intranet solution and project management and ideally Email etc, that is not linked to MS products
[17:58] <captine> Liferay or Alfresco intranets would be great
[17:58] <inetpro> with Kilos gathering more support on the African continent we can only succeed
[17:58] <captine> have convinced out Infrastructure manager to demo Alfresco and Liferay
[17:59] <Kilos> good luck captine
[17:59] <captine> All our IT folks beleive MS is the cheaper option
[17:59] <inetpro> haha
[17:59] <captine> in terms of total cost of ownership
[17:59] <Kilos> what is the distance from he top af africa, tunisia, to capetown?
[17:59] <inetpro> what a joke
[18:00] <captine> yip.  no one will sit me down and take me through the license and support costs for MS
[18:00] <captine> so I can do a comparison (even with Cannonical Top End support per server
[18:02] <captine> unfortunately, Canonical's site is no good in terms of client references
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: Total distance: 7,965.97 km (4,949.82 mi)
[18:03] <Kilos> whew ty inetpro
[18:03] <inetpro> Measure and calculate distance https://support.google.com/maps/answer/1628031?hl=en
[18:05] <inetpro> captine: ye, unfortunately that seems to be true
[18:06] <inetpro> too few peeps around who are not in it for the money
[18:06] <inetpro> yet even they have to survive, it is a tough problem
[18:07] <superfly> captine: where are you based?
[18:07] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:08] <captine> Johannesburg
[18:08] <Kilos> i think here by us
[18:08] <Kilos> ah
[18:08] <Kilos> 80 ks out
[18:08] <inetpro> superfly: what did you still want to do with the getting-involved page?
[18:14] <qwebirc64384> Sawubona Mhlaba!
[18:14] <Kilos> haha
[18:14] <inetpro> It Works!
[18:14] <Kilos> hi qwebirc64384  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:15] <Kilos> was that you inetpro  ?
[18:15] <inetpro> thank you oom Kilos
[18:15] <Kilos> lol skelm
[18:15] <inetpro> :-)
[18:15] <qwebirc64384> bye
[18:15] <Kilos> chow now
[18:16] <Kilos> ai! such bad manners
[18:18] <Kilos> i forgot where ubuntu-cm is
[18:18] <Kilos> sigh
[18:18] <inetpro> superfly: the display area of irc on the web is a bit big on my laptop, can't see the whole page
[18:18] <superfly> inetpro: what's your resolution, 640x480? :-P
[18:20] <inetpro> 1366x768
[18:21] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:22] <Kilos> the fly must get some sleep so he can rattle them while i am thinking what to say
[18:22] <inetpro> if the iframe says height="600", what does that mean?
[18:23] <Kilos> that means  height="600"
[18:23]  * Kilos hides
[18:23] <inetpro> guess that means pixels?
[18:23] <Kilos> sorry my pro
[18:24] <inetpro> no man, not a problem... just testing
[18:24] <Kilos> i use 1280X1024
[18:24] <Kilos> was the most comfortable resolution
[18:26] <inetpro> ok, works perfectly when switching the browser to full screen
[18:26] <Kilos> see using multiple workspaces has its advantages
[18:27] <inetpro> we don't want too many peeps staying in the browser interface for too long anyway
[18:27] <inetpro> better to tel them about a proper client asap
[18:27] <inetpro> tell*
[18:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:31] <Kilos> you missing all the fun man
[18:31] <magespawn> good evening
[18:32] <magespawn> sorry
[18:32] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:32] <Kilos> no im sorry you missing it
[18:32] <magespawn> i saw that last night already, has it changed since then?
[18:32] <Kilos> ya everything is fixed
[18:32] <Kilos> no wrong irc addy
[18:34] <magespawn> it is looking pretty cool
[18:35] <Kilos> oh fly has power off now
[18:35] <Kilos> till 22.30
[18:35] <Kilos> very nice hey
[18:35] <magespawn> i prefered the side by side one for the home page, but both look good
[18:35] <Kilos> and fast
[18:35] <inetpro> side by side?
[18:36] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[18:36] <magespawn> i am currently being load shed for the fourth time today
[18:36] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[18:36] <Kilos> ouch
[18:37] <inetpro> magespawn: eish!
[18:37] <magespawn> yes the home page, with the what is ubuntu and the get involved etc.
[18:37] <inetpro> that is seriously bad
[18:37] <magespawn> i must also say that this is not in the same location
[18:38] <magespawn> what is IT without electricity?
[18:38] <inetpro> magespawn: if you resize your browser it displays side by side
[18:39] <inetpro> if you make it wider
[18:39] <magespawn> i understand that you can implement the the ip protcol using carrier pigeons
[18:39] <magespawn> inetpro let me see
[18:40] <magespawn> indeed it does change, now that is pretty cool, adapting to the level of zoom i have
[18:41] <magespawn> i am on a small netbook at the moment
[18:41] <Kilos> multiple workspaces ftw
[18:42] <superfly> woo! Cape Town FTW still on stage 2
[18:42] <Kilos> haha
[18:46] <magespawn> i think it was so warm up here today the instant the power came on, all the aircons kicked in and tripped it off again
[18:46] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <magespawn> people started moaning at me, because the routers and that went off after 4 hours of load shedding, and did i not just put a ups in last week?
[18:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:50] <magespawn> nothing like dodgy power to really test you setup and systems
[18:50] <magespawn> s/you/your
[18:51] <Kilos> haha
[18:56] <captine> our office park was on generator for about 4 hours...
[18:56] <captine> am sure they will "forget" to get more diesel and we will have no power tomorrow
[18:56] <captine> lol
[18:57] <Kilos> ai!
[18:57] <magespawn> when phoning in to report a eskom fault etc you get a helpful voice menu that says if you would like to you may report this fault online at www.eskom.co.za
[18:58] <magespawn> hi captine
[18:58] <captine> hi there
[18:58] <magespawn> how big is the generator?
[18:58] <captine> havent seen it, but must be pretty big.  we have 100 people on the top floor and some offices are on the second floor, plus there are more buildings in the park
[18:59] <Kilos> whew
[18:59] <captine> our legal chap recons we will get at least a R10 000 bill for diesel this month, if not more.... just for our share
[18:59] <magespawn> just as well the fuel price dropped
[18:59] <captine> yip
[18:59]  * Squirm looks around
[18:59] <magespawn> that is hectic
[19:00] <Squirm> Hello
[19:00] <captine> hi Squirm
[19:00] <magespawn> howdy
[19:01] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[19:02] <inetpro> haha guys, I beat you all
[19:03] <magespawn> how so?
[19:03] <inetpro> in Hatfield we have been without power since 10:39 yesterday and it's still down
[19:03] <inetpro> running on generator all the time
[19:03] <Kilos> wow
[19:04]  * inetpro even stopped complaining
[19:04] <magespawn> direct pipeline from sasol just for you inetpro
[19:05] <Squirm> lol
[19:05] <inetpro> really testing the generator to the limits
[19:06] <magespawn> do you have critical stuff that needs to stay on?
[19:06] <Kilos> ya govt servers
[19:07] <magespawn> thats not critical
[19:07] <Kilos> it is man
[19:07] <magespawn> the rest of the government does not work, so they do not need the computers
[19:07] <inetpro> well at least it's not a hospital but I consider servers and many other stuffs as quite critical
[19:08] <Squirm> Heh, well, they've assured everyone that power will stay on for the State of the Nation address
[19:08] <Squirm> :D
[19:09] <magespawn> which only 1/3 of the population can watch
[19:09] <inetpro> lol
[19:09] <Squirm> Indeed
[19:09] <Kilos> then how will the pro find time to be here if nothing is working and he cant even charge his cell
[19:09] <inetpro> when is the SON even?
[19:10] <magespawn> in Richards Bay the last place to be switched off is BHP Hillside Aluminium, even the hositals go off before them
[19:10] <Kilos> haha ya money talks
[19:10] <Squirm> I spoke to some who's friend works there
[19:11]  * inetpro lost touch with the real world a long time ago
[19:11] <Squirm> They said that Eskom calls them and tells them they're going off
[19:11] <Squirm> so... the other day Eskom called them
[19:11] <Squirm> so they shut down the plant
[19:11] <Squirm> the whole factory
[19:11] <Squirm> so
[19:12] <Squirm> Eskom decided not to turn the power off :P
[19:12] <magespawn> yup and it takes about 2 weeks to get everything running again
[19:12] <Kilos> ai!
[19:12] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:12] <magespawn> inetpro: is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[19:12] <Squirm> So they went down for nothing - AFTER a phone call from Eskom
[19:13] <Kilos> magespawn  you also missed my new project
[19:13] <magespawn> Squirm: quite funny i also have a friend who works there
[19:13] <Kilos> peeps are working me to a standstill
[19:13] <Kilos> the pro is a slave driver
[19:13] <magespawn> ?
[19:13] <Squirm> magespawn: was the info correct?
[19:14] <Squirm> magespawn: I think I was chatting to a colleague at work.
[19:14] <Squirm> and he mentioned it
[19:14] <magespawn> ah we only infrequently
[19:14] <magespawn> ^talk
[19:14] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2RNrWvZLY
[19:15] <Squirm> ah
[19:15] <Kilos> thats my connection mail
[19:15] <Kilos> ended up here #ubuntu-africa
[19:16] <magespawn> cool idea Kilos
[19:16] <Squirm> Nice Kilos
[19:16] <Kilos> yeah im happy. 9 countries have joined
[19:17] <Kilos> can only get bigger
[19:17] <magespawn> inetpro: what did you mean "when is the SON even?" lost me completely there
[19:17] <Kilos> if i dont get membership one of you have to take over
[19:17] <Squirm> State of the Nation
[19:17] <inetpro> magespawn: SON = state of the nation address
[19:17] <inetpro> sorry
[19:18] <inetpro> just checked... it's next week on the 12th actually
[19:18] <Squirm> inetpro: 12th
[19:18] <Squirm> afaik
[19:18] <magespawn> ahh right, bit slow on the uptake there, going to blame that on eskom too
[19:18] <inetpro> lol
[19:18] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Squirm> www.gov.za/state-nation-address-2015
[19:19] <Squirm> 12 February. President Jacob Zuma will present the State of the Nation Address (SoNA) to a joint sitting of Parliament at 19h00 on Thursday, 12 February 2015.
[19:19] <Squirm> inetpro: s/SON/SoNA/
[19:19] <Squirm> :D
[19:19] <Squirm> but then I didn't know that until a few seconds ago
[19:20] <magespawn> the people are all at home but the lights are not on
[19:20] <Kilos> rofl
[19:22] <magespawn> not to sure if the hamster is in the cage, but the wheel is squeeking
[19:22] <Kilos> hhe
[19:22] <Kilos> hehe as well
[19:23] <superfly> Some parts of the Cape Town CDB are never load shed.
[19:23] <superfly> I know this because I worked through load shedding today... we still had power.
[19:23] <magespawn> superfly: find one and move there
[19:23] <superfly> magespawn: I'm actually quite glad we don't. we have SOOOO much work to do
[19:23] <stickyboy> http://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/install/
[19:23] <stickyboy> Compiling Prometheus...
[19:24] <superfly> (yeah, that's right, I just said that I WANT to work)
[19:24] <superfly> stickyboy: I heard of that the other day... lemme check it out
[19:24] <superfly> Kilos: you ready?
[19:24] <Kilos> i hope so superfly
[19:24] <Kilos> nervous
[19:25] <magespawn> is that tonight?
[19:25] <Kilos> too important to not make it
[19:25] <Kilos> ya magespawn  at mignight
[19:25] <magespawn> good luck you two
[19:25] <magespawn> what is prometheus?
[19:26] <superfly> magespawn: a monitoring system built by the folks at SoundCloud
[19:27] <magespawn> i see, just read the overview, sounds very useful
[19:31] <stickyboy> Go is cool.
[19:31] <stickyboy> I love that the resulting binaries have no runtime dependencies.
[19:32] <superfly> meh.
[19:32] <magespawn> what sort of systems can you use it to monitor/
[19:33] <stickyboy> magespawn: I have 40 servers, which have several disks each... :D
[19:33] <stickyboy> And dozens of web servers... etc...
[19:33] <stickyboy> Those kinda things. :D
[19:33] <inetpro> Squirm: oops, right
[19:34] <magespawn> sounds like something i need to investigate
[19:35] <stickyboy> magespawn: devops people use it also, for like API stuff.
[19:35] <stickyboy> User registrations, HTTP return codes, etc.
[19:36] <stickyboy> I'm not a dev guy, so I just wanna know when my servers are up or down, plus historical trends.
[19:36] <magespawn> might also be good thing to monitor webservers for attacks
[19:37] <stickyboy> magespawn: Yah
[19:40] <magespawn> i also have several adsl connections, and asterisk servers that i need to keep an eye on
[19:52] <stickyboy> magespawn: Asterisk, cool.
[20:01] <magespawn> bed time, good night all
[20:12] <inetpro> eish!
[20:12] <inetpro> The South African Press Association (Sapa) will send out its last story at midnight on March 31
[20:12] <superfly> deserter!
[20:13] <superfly> inetpro: heh. not terribly surprised :-(
[20:13] <inetpro> sad news man
[20:13] <Kilos> ai!
[20:13] <inetpro> been in existence since 1938
[20:14] <Kilos> i ran cables to connect the reuters things for them in durbs
[20:14] <Kilos> feels like 100 years ago
[20:15] <inetpro> I first learned about SAPA 25 years ago
[20:15] <inetpro> had to put up modems so our guys could get a direct feed from them
[20:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:16] <inetpro> well actually a modem
[20:16] <inetpro> think it was my first modem I ever worked with
[20:17] <Kilos> the cables i ran were up in the air from building to building to connect them directly to the telkom exchange
[20:17] <Kilos> trying to work out when it was
[20:18] <inetpro> think it was still 1200 baud rates or even less
[20:19] <Kilos> must be 28 or 9 years ago
[20:19] <inetpro> ok, not exactly 25 years ago but close
[20:20] <Kilos> we are too old man
 deserter!
[20:20]  * superfly doesn't really have a story like that
[20:20] <inetpro> and that ^^ ?
[20:21] <superfly> inetpro: that was for magespawn
[20:21] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <inetpro> ah
[20:21] <Kilos> he is also old man
[20:21] <superfly> all I can say about SAPA is that I wrote a system that IOL used back in the day for collecting stories from SAPA, AP, Reuters, etc.
[20:25] <Kilos> oh well at least we did something for them
[20:26] <Kilos> are we joing them early superfly  ? its #ubuntu-meeting hey?
[20:26] <Kilos> joining
[20:39] <Kilos> i go wash dishes and make coffee to try wake up a bit
[20:41] <inetpro> good idea
[20:42] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but probably no sooner than an hour
[20:44] <Kilos> cool ill join when you do
[21:01] <inetpro> yay!
[21:01] <inetpro> looks like power is back on at the office
[21:02] <Kilos> yay
[21:22] <superfly> Love it when all my tests pass!
[21:23] <Kilos> what tests superfly
[21:23] <superfly> code tests
[21:24] <superfly> I write code that tests my code
[21:24] <Kilos> you too clever man
[21:25] <Kilos> so stallman is giving a speech in algiers on saterday
[21:25] <Kilos> that will grow my channel if nothing else does
[21:25] <Kilos> i mean the africa channel
[21:25] <Kilos> my project channel
[21:26] <Kilos> superfly  you opened a can of worms
[21:26] <Kilos> growning like weeds
[21:27] <superfly> Kilos: it's good for you, keeps you busy.
[21:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:31] <Kilos> 7 of the 18 african teams are already joined
[21:32] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za  you up late hey
[21:32] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I was angry earlier
[21:32] <Kilos> again
[21:33] <Kilos> you must relax more, anger makes you old quicker
[21:34] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I got blocked from making comments and likes because I responded to a bad joke by the one admin with another joke.
[21:34] <Kilos> lol
[21:34] <Trixar_za> She didn't take it well. But what do you expect for insecure 19 year olds? :/
[21:34] <Kilos> eish
[21:39] <Trixar_za> The fact that you can't make your case is the maddening part of facebook. If it was like on IRC where I could contact the person that banned or kicked me, then it would be fair.
[21:39] <Trixar_za> Hell, on IRC people atleast warn you before they take a drastic step :/
[21:40] <Kilos> i dont like chatting on fb at all
[21:40] <superfly> I drag myself onto FB once a day on my PC\
[21:40] <superfly> I don't have it on my phone anymore
[21:42] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I think I need to cut back on it. Social Media is a kids thing and I'm starting to get too old to care about their antics :P
[21:43] <Kilos> lol
[21:43]  * superfly prefers his code
[21:46] <Kilos> superfly  we must join i think
[21:47] <superfly> ek kom nou
[21:47] <Kilos> ok
[21:47] <superfly> moet eers hierso klaar maak
[21:50] <superfly> OK, let's go... if I can find that channel again
[21:50] <Kilos> #ubuntu-meeting
[22:08] <inetpro> ai!
[22:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[22:27] <Neo31> congrats Kilos and superfly
[22:28] <superfly> Thanks Neo31
[22:28] <Kilos> ty Neo31
[22:28] <inetpro> \o/
[22:28] <Kilos> w00000t
[22:28] <inetpro> well done guys!!
[22:28]  * Kilos jumps up and down
[22:29] <Kilos> ty for the support inetpro  Neo31
[22:29] <inetpro> eish!
[22:29] <inetpro> and I even forgot to add something, damn!!!!
[22:29] <Kilos> lol
[22:29]  * inetpro spoke with drubin via email earlier today
[22:29] <inetpro> he was very quick to reply as usual and said due to the timing he would unfortunately not be able to make it to the meeting but asked me to convey a message of good luck to Kilos in the hope that his testimonial will be enough for him to succeed
[22:29] <Kilos> tell me ill use it for you
[22:29] <Kilos> next month
[22:29] <inetpro> today = yesterday
[22:30] <Kilos> great tell david ty very much
[22:30] <Kilos> wow im still shaking
[22:30] <inetpro> enjoy it man!
[22:31] <Kilos> how does one sleep after this
[22:31] <Neo31> lool Kilos
[22:31] <Neo31> let's go party
[22:31] <Neo31> :p
[22:31] <superfly> Kilos: you put your head on the pillow and close your eyes
[22:32]  * inetpro has to do just that now
[22:32] <inetpro> good night
[22:32] <Kilos> lol its the spinning inside that wont stop
[22:32] <Kilos> night all ty for the help and support
[22:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[22:32] <Neo31> damn u sleep early guys
[22:32] <superfly> night everyone
[22:32] <superfly> Neo31: it's after midnight
[22:32] <Kilos> ok ill stay up some more
[22:32] <Neo31> 1am ?
[22:33] <Neo31> hum i see
[22:33] <Neo31> :)
[22:33] <superfly> 00:30
[22:33] <Neo31> ah ok
[22:33] <superfly> and I have to be up at 6am
[22:33] <Kilos> sleep tight my fly
[22:33] <superfly> dankie oom
[22:33] <Neo31> wow 6am ? damn
[22:33] <Neo31> i hate that
[22:34] <Neo31> i'm lucky i don't have to wake up that early
[22:34] <Neo31> anyway nice to meet u guys
[22:34] <Neo31> btw superfly
[22:34] <Neo31> have u don't some python/qml before ?
[22:35] <Neo31> just a quick yes or now, we can talk tomorrow or another day :)
[22:35] <Kilos> hes gone i think
[22:35] <Neo31> yep
[22:35] <Kilos> catch him tomorrow evening
[22:35] <Neo31> i'll ask him another time
[22:35] <Neo31> yep
[22:36] <Kilos> too busy at work to chat
[22:36] <Neo31> gotcha
[22:36] <Neo31> i understand that :)
[22:36] <Neo31> gotta go afk
[22:36] <Neo31> c u soon Kilos
[22:36] <Kilos> ty for the support Neo31
[22:36] <Kilos> ill be online tomorrow
[22:36] <Kilos> or later today
[22:37] <superfly> Neo31: I've done Python, but not much QML
[22:38] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[08:10] <d4rk-5c0rp> hi,  I need an ubuntu-member clock.. here's my launchpad https://launchpad.net/~d4rk-5c0rp
[13:33] <d4rk-5c0rp> ping braderhart
[13:36] <Unit193> d4rk-5c0rp: No need to go off randomly pinging people.
[13:36] <Unit193> d4rk-5c0rp: You'll have to be identified for the cloak to take affect when you get one.
[13:37] <Unit193> Pici, elky, IRCC ^ he's in members.
[13:37] <Pici> d4rk-5c0rp: Do you have a registered account on freenode?
[13:37] <Unit193> (And nik o is active.)
[13:38] <Pici> Indeed, looks like it.
[13:42] <d4rk-5c0rp> Unit193, sorry dude
[13:52] <Pici> !register | d4rk-5c0rp
[13:53] <Pici> d4rk-5c0rp: once you've gotten that done, let me know.
[14:00] <d4rk-5c0rp> Pici, done
[14:01] <Pici> d4rk-5c0rp: great, let me press some buttons here and we'll get you setup.... congrats btw :)
[14:01] <d4rk-5c0rp> thx dude :)
[14:02] <Unit193> https://freenode.net/sasl/ There is this too.
[14:02] <Unit193> d4rk-5c0rp: Congrats.
[14:02] <Pici> tada
[14:03] <d4rk-5c0rp> thx Unit193, Pici thx dude :D


[00:31]  * micahg_ thanks cjwatson profusely for the sync run
[00:46] <cjwatson> micahg_: it's incomplete, but I cut the list down by 83, at least
[00:48] <micahg_> that's great, thanks, it was just getting hard to tell what still needs to be done w/the open requests
[16:47] <Laney> yeah, thanks a lot
[16:47] <Laney> almost at the end of having to do sync runs, eh? :-)
[21:28] <GrueMaster> Are we not making daily-live cds for x86/amd64?
[21:28]  * GrueMaster hasn't seen one since prior to A3.
[21:28] <charlie-tca> yes, but they failed today
[21:29] <charlie-tca> They built yesterday - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110808/
[21:30] <charlie-tca> oh, wait, you are ARM, aren't you?
[21:30] <GrueMaster> I keep x86 & amd64 images on the side.
[21:30] <GrueMaster> Usefull for verifying failures.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu had them yesterday. Something went wrong today and the server refused to build them today
[21:31] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Hadn't seen them in the failure emails.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Lots of 404 errors today
[21:31] <GrueMaster> Now to figure out why my mirror script keeps making broken links.
[21:32] <charlie-tca> They don't let me have answers very often. Usually I just get to ask questions. ;)
[21:33] <charlie-tca> s/have/give
[22:02] <slangasek> today's build failures are a bit odd... seems to involve failing to find the livefs downloads?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> yes, something like that
[22:56] <ScottK> Yesterday was, IIRC, apt turning the world upside down.


[00:48] <jdstrand> joedborg: ok, I responded to zyga's bug and your email. I'm crashing now :) do let me know in the email if you need more immediately, but the problem is totally tractable
[00:48] <jdstrand> well, the solution to the problem is tractable. anyhoo. goodnight!
[00:51] <joedborg> Thanks jdstrand! Have a good one
[07:18] <mup> PR snapd#7439 closed: packaging: remove obsolete usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine in postinst <Bug> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7439>
[07:18] <mup> PR snapd#7478 closed: snapstate: increase settleTimeout in TestRemodelSwitchToDifferentKernel <Created by mvo5> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7478>
[07:50] <mup> PR snapd#7473 closed: sanity: sanity check cgroup probing <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7473>
[07:56] <mborzecki> pstolowski: the simple one https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/z3kmnrq22b/ one i use for setting up fedora https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gJgf4ms36c/
[07:57] <pstolowski> mborzecki: thanks!
[09:02] <zyga> dot-tobias: hello
[09:02] <zyga> are you around?
[09:02] <dot-tobias> zyga: hi, yes I am
[09:02] <zyga> dot-tobias: about https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-does-not-start-after-reboot/5750/12
[09:02] <zyga> I'm trying to expand my test to reproduce this issue
[09:03] <zyga> when it occurred, was the application running?
[09:03] <zyga> or alternatively, was there a service that was running?
[09:04] <dot-tobias> zyga: My test app is just a daemon running “pwd”, so I guess yes, but I can't imagine that this affects file handles
[09:04] <zyga> dot-tobias: daemon written in which language?
[09:04] <zyga>  I'll try to do the same
[09:05] <dot-tobias> zyga: See https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-does-not-start-after-reboot/5750/13?u=tobias → FYI: This refers to the *test* snap you asked me for, which does not contain any real code. The issue first came up with a kiosk snap running a daemonized WPE Webkit launcher (cog)
[09:05] <zyga> ok
[09:06] <zyga> I'll try with a simple shell daemon
[09:06] <roadmr> 😷
[09:07] <dot-tobias> zyga: Ok, I'll test if removing the daemon stanza (i.e. making it a regular app) produces different results
[09:07] <roadmr> jdstrand: new review-tools is now in production 👍
[09:08] <zyga> dot-tobias: that doesn't reproduce it for me
[09:08] <zyga> dot-tobias: my attempt is on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7486
[09:08] <mup> PR #7486: tests: add regression test for lp: #1844496 <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7486>
[09:09] <zyga> dot-tobias: this reliably passes for me
[09:09] <zyga> dot-tobias: so there must be something missing still
[09:12] <dot-tobias> zyga: Hm. I tested all the layouts iteratively and none came up with this error *except* the one I thought was the culprit, so I put that front and center. But the snapcraft.yaml (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-does-not-start-after-reboot/5750/13?u=tobias) contains all of them … maybe copy all of those over to your test because I made a mistake during tests and it's a combination?
[09:12] <zyga> I can try
[09:13] <dot-tobias> zyga: Ah, also your test has a fixed layout /usr/lib/x86_64 … whereas I'm using $SNAPCRAFT_ARCH_TRIPLET. Should produce the same result, but there's a difference too
[09:13] <zyga> no, that's not the case
[09:13] <zyga> the variable is only meaningful to snapcraft
[09:13] <zyga> snapd doesn't expand it
[09:13] <zyga> it is expanded in snap.yaml
[09:13] <zyga> if you use snapcraft it gets expanded but I only care about the layer below
[09:14] <dot-tobias> Ah, just noticed that it's snap.yaml and not snapcraft.yaml 😊 My bad
[09:14] <zyga> no worries
[09:14] <dot-tobias> zyga: Will run some more tests and get back to you
[09:16] <zyga> dot-tobias: I just reproduced it
[09:16] <zyga> dot-tobias: it was the extra layout entries
[09:16] <zyga> I will investigate now, you can wait until I get some results
[09:20] <jamesh> jdstrand: do you know if there are any ways to allow D-Bus activation for services without an AssumedAppArmorLabel key in their service activation file?
[09:23] <mup> PR snapd#7487 opened: interfaces/udev: account for cgroup version when reporting supported features <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7487>
[09:34] <jdstrand> jamesh: for a confined application to talk to it, no. have I mentioned how much I hate this dbus upstream misfeature (we argued against it)
[09:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#2727 opened: storeapi: use the channels attribute in push <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2727>
[09:35] <jamesh> jdstrand: okay.  This is for the fwupd interface changes I was working on: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7454
[09:35] <mup> PR #7454: interfaces: extend the fwupd slot to be implicit on classic <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7454>
[09:35] <zyga> dot-tobias: I managed to reduce the case further, it should be easier to understand
[09:36] <jamesh> jdstrand: the spread tests I added end up trying to activate fwupd (it isn't initially running), so fail on Ubuntu backends
[09:37] <jdstrand> jamesh: unfortunately, we need SRUs for whatever ships those service files :\
[09:37] <jdstrand> jamesh: I mean, you could sed them for the test, but... ;)
[09:38] <jamesh> jdstrand: fair enough.  I might adjust the spread test for now to manually start the service first, with a comment about why it is doing that.
[09:38] <jamesh> and then look at the SRUs later
[09:38] <jamesh> jdstrand: thanks.
[09:39] <dot-tobias> zyga: Great, excited to see what you dig up 😊 and a reminder for me that I wanted to check out spread for testing …
[09:39] <zyga> I have a hunch I know what is the problem now
[09:39] <mup> PR snapd#7488 opened: docs: Update README.md <Created by degville> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7488>
[09:39] <jdstrand> jamesh: np
[09:47] <ijohnson> zyga: did you want to look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7409 again or can we merge it?
[09:47] <mup> PR #7409: interfaces/wayland: allow a confined server running in a user session to work with Qt, GTK3 & SDL2 clients <Created by AlanGriffiths> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7409>
[09:49] <jdstrand> jamesh: really, AssumedAppArmorLabel should default to unconfined imo. I mean, I know why they didn't do it that way, but the default deny is onerous (you would always need corresponding rules for the communication that are default deny...)
[09:49] <jdstrand> (that's what we recommended before)
[09:50] <jamesh> jdstrand: perhaps an AppArmor rule specifically covering D-Bus activation of a name would make sense
[09:50] <jamesh> although that would be a multi-year project to roll out :-(
[09:51] <jdstrand> I think that was something tyhicks also suggested when we upstreamed
[09:54] <dot-tobias> jdstrand: Just to confirm: The only way to get a DBus interface between two of my snaps (same publisher) auto-connected is through a store assertion *if* my application in the forum is granted – correct? Would that also apply to new revisions of already installed snaps – i.e. would existing users benefit from auto-connection after a refresh?
[09:55] <jdstrand> dot-tobias: it can be done per snap(s) or globally
[09:57] <jdstrand> dot-tobias: it would apply to all revisions of your snaps
[10:05] <dot-tobias> jdstrand: Great, thanks!
[10:09] <mup> PR snapd#7489 opened: store, ..., client: add a "website" field <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7489>
[10:09] <zyga> dot-tobias: I update the thread as I go if you are curious
[10:09] <zyga> ijohnson: in a moment
[10:29] <dot-tobias> zyga: *grabs popcorn*
[11:51] <mup> PR snapd#7490 opened: interfaces/shell-support: support confined snaps launching other snaps <Created by AlanGriffiths> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7490>
[14:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#2728 opened: Base bare <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2728>
[19:39] <joedborg> zyga: are you around?
[22:08] <zyga> joedborg: yes but heading to bed
[22:09] <joedborg> zyga: no worries!


[00:01] <valorie> aren't effects coming from kwin?
[00:11] <ahmadfaris> Hello
[00:23] <keithzg> valorie: Yeah, or not coming, as it may be ;)
[00:24] <keithzg> I had just suspected that the same root cause was behind lightdm not starting and desktop effects failing, but it seems I was wrong.
[00:24] <valorie> yes, that seems very possible
[00:24] <valorie> coincidences have thrown me off a hundred times
[00:59] <keithzg> Aha! The Xorg log showed it trying (and failing) to load an NVIDIA GLX module, which made no sense for this all-Intel box.
[00:59] <keithzg> A quick purge (metaphorically speaking) of all nvidia packages et voila, wobbly windows and transparent Yakuake :)
[01:00] <keithzg> ...although the tearing is painful, I swear performance has gone down a lot since 13.04. Oh well.
[02:10] <Aristide> Hi !
[02:11] <Aristide> I have a BIG problem with mouse in Kubuntu
[02:11] <Aristide> Mouse disappear every 2 or 3 seconds, and I must move cursor for display cursor and disappear again after 2 or 3s of inactivity
[02:12] <Aristide> In desktop, its cool, but while playing game, every 2 or 3 secondes, mouse is put to screen center ...
[02:42] <Erthe> Anyone know how to remove a plasma widget that failed?
[02:49] <apb1963> Anyone know how I can downgrade Qt from 4.8.2 to 4.8.1 ?
[04:38] <gustavo> I can't to install the Ubuntu on my Desktop. It stops in 45% and tells me an error. By the virtual machine, installs without problems.
[06:02] <vivid> is there some way to change sound devices quickly?
[06:02] <vivid> the sound settings priority list is a really cumbersome way to swap devices.....there's got to be a faster way
[06:08] <ForgeAus> ok so its not exactly a kubuntu question but does anyone know if hot weather can cause an ADSL modem to drop out?
[06:09] <ForgeAus> its ok when I reset it again, just the last few days its been 44 or so degrees (celsius) temperatures and since yesterday it had a few drop outs
[07:29] <gino_> lista
[07:37] <gino_> !list
[08:30] <Welshrob> Hello, can someone tell me if Kbuntu will install to a 2gb CF card?
[08:54] <alvin> No, it's larger than that. Kubuntu isn't fit for embedded systems.
[10:29] <rony> ciao
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:15] <Aristide> Hi !
[12:15] <Aristide> I have a big problem with mouse in Kubuntu
[12:16] <Aristide> Mouse disappear every 2 seconds if don't move cursor
[12:16] <Aristide> In desktop is not a problem, but in Many games, every 2s, cursor is put to screen center :(
[12:17] <neotheo> do you have the t0ol 'unclutter' installed?
[12:17] <neotheo> tool*
[12:17] <Aristide> neotheo: Wait I finish to install a software and check
[12:18] <neotheo> np, dpkg's description of the utility is: hides the mouse cursor in X after a period of inactivity
[12:19] <Aristide> Yes neotheo :)
[12:19] <Aristide> Ok
[12:19] <Aristide> Oyeah :)
[12:19] <Aristide> I reboot
[13:13] <Aristide> Thank you neotheo :)
[14:30] <dtirc2014> bonjour
[14:30] <dtirc2014> je suis nouveau sur irc
[14:31] <dtirc2014> esk il ya kelkun
[14:51] <J70> Hi, is there a Kubuntu beta available?
[14:51] <J70> 14.04 that is...
[14:57] <genii> J70: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ always has the latest
[14:58] <genii> J70: Sorry, Kubuntu specific images here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:02] <J70> @genii Thanks!
[15:17] <BluesKaj> !paste
[16:17] <wulong> if this quassel  support chinese ,that will be better
[17:41] <arthurfiggis> hello :) hopefully this isn't an off-topic or abrasive question, but i'm considering using kubuntu as an alternative to ubuntu proper due to some of the stuff they're including in unity lately.. :( i know kubuntu is an official derivative so a lot of the same packages are used, is there any sort of verification done to make sure they aren't bundled with something nasty?
[17:43] <lordievader> arthurfiggis: Kubuntu uses the Ubuntu base. Most of the stuff you are talking about is included in Unity. I haven't seen any nasty stuff on Kubuntu.
[17:44] <arthurfiggis> lordievader: oh yes, as far as i know it's exclusive to unity for that matter...but i'm not an expert so i figured i would throw the question out there :) i kind of steered away from mint's kde spin for the same reason, mint's desktop meta-packages all have a weird dependency on an extension called "mint search enhancer" and i have yet to either see the source or even a precise explanation...
[17:44] <arthurfiggis> ...of what it actually does :/
[17:45] <lordievader> arthurfiggis: Join the family of Kubuntu users :D
[17:46] <arthurfiggis> lordievader: i might just have to :) i've been using kde on debian stable and now that there's some recent versions of things in backports it's actually quite nice...but the version of libc in stable is still too old to use steam, which is what i'd like to try running :)
[17:47] <Mrodri> hello everybody, I am comming back to IRC  from a very long time
[17:47] <Mrodri> i dont remember anything abou it
[17:47] <lordievader> Mrodri: Welcome back ;)
[17:47] <Mrodri> so I am trying to open a new channel and I was wondering if i can get some help in here
[17:48] <Mrodri> the channel is #chrubuntu
[17:48] <lordievader> Mrodri: /join #chrubuntu (and if it doesn't exist: /join ##chrubuntu)
[17:49] <Mrodri> ooh cool thank you very much lordievader ;-)
[17:49] <Mrodri> it wonked .... I am having dome issues on my chrome ubuntu hybrid and I want to look for some help in here
[17:49] <Mrodri> Have a nice day
[17:50] <lordievader> Mrodri: No problem ;)
[17:55] <gustavo> I've loss two cds to try burn the Kubuntu. The cd not is working.
[19:10] <pgquiles> is anyone using kubuntu 13.10 or 14.04 with a hybrid hard drive? While the performance under Windows 7 is very good, I'm getting awful performance under Linux, system is almost unusable when IO is taking place :-/
[19:14] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, hybrid HDD ?
[19:16] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: SSHD is what they call them
[19:17] <BluesKaj> hybrids aren't ssds, afaik
[19:18] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: hybrid = magnetic hard drive with ssd cache
[19:18] <pgquiles> it's the reason they are called hybrids
[19:18] <BluesKaj> anyway, what do you think is the problem, have you checked top to see what processes are running that could be usng up resources
[19:19] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: done that already, slowness for no good reason
[19:19] <pgquiles> iotop, etc
[19:19] <BluesKaj> akonadi, nepomuk indexing maybe?
[19:19] <pgquiles> http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/laptop-hard-drives/laptop-solid-state-hybrid-drive/?sku=ST1000LM014
[19:19] <pgquiles> no, all of that is already disabled
[19:27] <BluesKaj> did you install the OS to the ssd or the hdd ?
[19:33] <genii> pgquiles: Probably uses the problemmatic Intel Z68 chipset
[19:34] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: SSHD is not ssd + hdd but one piece. It's not fusion drive.
[19:34] <genii> Ah, nvm, I missed the url which shows it's a seagate
[19:35] <genii> BluesKaj: The hybrid types are supposed to appear as a single drive to the OS even though internally they contain both platters and SSD
[19:40] <BluesKaj> genii, yeah, i thought they would show as separate partitions
[19:41] <genii> BluesKaj: That's where either the drive chipset does the work seamlessly to the OS, or the OS driver does it ( in the Intel case the OS does it)
[19:45] <BluesKaj> hmm, wonder why pgquiles has such poor response
[19:46]  * pgquiles wonders too :-(
[19:46] <BluesKaj> don't see much on google about it
[19:47] <genii> It could this drive is too new for the problems to be widely known yet
[19:48] <pgquiles> don't know
[19:48] <pgquiles> my old hdd was broken and this sshd had a very good price: 100 eur (~130 usd) for the 1 tb drive
[19:49] <BluesKaj> pgquiles, maybe you'll find this useful, http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=124299
[19:49] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: thank you
[19:50] <pgquiles> BluesKaj: it doesn't apply to my case. That's for the case where you have a separate ssd + magnetic hdd
[19:50] <BluesKaj> it's not kubuntu , but it is an ubuntu derivative
[19:50] <BluesKaj> bummer
[20:07] <genii> pgquiles: What says the result of: parted /dev/sda print       ( eg, are the two numbers in the "Sector size" line the same ?) ... if not /dev/sda then adjust accordingly...
[20:07] <genii> ( it may be a 4K drive formatted to 512K)
[21:29] <pgquiles> genii: Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
[21:33] <genii> pgquiles: I think there's your problem.
[21:33] <pgquiles> genii: I'm reading about partition alignment but I'm not sure how to verify whether this is the problem or not
[21:44] <pgquiles> genii: KDE Partition Manager shows a lot of warnings like this "Partition '/dev/sda3' does not start at a cylinder boundary (first sector: 399,120,383, modulo: 1,524)" and "Partition: '/dev/sda3' does not end at a cylinder boundary (first sector: 399,120,384, modulo: 1,524)"
[21:44] <pgquiles> I guess I am affected by unaligned reads and writes, which means I need to repartition my disk :-/
[21:46] <pgquiles> and to complicate things more, it's a mac and those wrongly-aligned partitions were the result of allowing Mac OS X partition the disk. Who knows how will Mac OS X react to a libparted-partitioned disk? (OS X seems to leave a lot of mysterious gaps between partitions)
[21:47] <genii> pgquiles: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[21:47] <pgquiles> genii: trusty
[21:50] <genii> Ah, OK. Then it should have already in the kernel support for the 4K situation. I'm reading a bit about this here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/337693/how-to-format-a-4k-sector-hard-drive
[21:54] <pgquiles> genii: I found that too but IIRC, that link talks about *supporting* 4K situations, i. e. making it work, no matter the performance. Other websites seem to indicate unless I properly align partitions, performance will always be seriously degraded :-(
[21:55] <genii> pgquiles: Yes, that seems to pretty match what I've been finding also.
[21:56] <pgquiles> which means the os x 10.9 disk utility is not smart enough to deal with 4k disks. Ugh.
[22:08] <pgquiles> genii: thank you!
[22:15] <genii> pgquiles: Sorry not to be of more assistance, but at least we know more about the subject now :)
[22:35] <kunguz> I am lost with ulimit
[22:35] <kunguz> Can one limit whole memory usage to a certain number with ulimit? To my experince it can limit per process, not the total memory.
[22:36] <kunguz> I am doing some computation with my machine, and it ends up frozen when total physical memory is used
[22:57] <rcw2> hi,  kubuntu just got  much slower after many weeks of ok use
[22:58] <rcw2> how can i troubleshoot this
[23:43] <sithlord48> any packagers here . who know how to pack up Qt5 (non cmake) project for launchpad. it was a working qt4 package.


[00:04] <kelvinliu_> wallyworld: sry, one more thing about ecs  jump back for 1 min?
[00:05] <wallyworld> kelvinliu_: ok
[10:40] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa: Can either of you look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12241 ?
[10:40] <achilleasa> manadart: looking
[11:09] <stickupkid> manadart, can you look at this PR https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/453
[11:09] <stickupkid> or achilleasa
[11:11] <manadart> stickupkid: Looking.
[12:55] <stickupkid> manadart, achilleasa https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/454 adds the missing facades as well
[12:57] <achilleasa> stickupkid: you should be targeting the 2.9 branch ^^^
[12:57] <stickupkid> achilleasa, not for this one... this ones actually safe
[12:58] <stickupkid> achilleasa, I have another one for 2.9 that I can propose later
[12:58] <achilleasa> the 2.9 one also includes changes in this file
[12:58] <achilleasa> cool
[12:58] <achilleasa> let's keep the 2.9 in sync so we don't forget :D
[12:58] <stickupkid> yarp
[12:58] <stickupkid> I'll bring in master to 2.9 now
[13:04] <stickupkid> achilleasa, merge master into 2.9
[13:04] <stickupkid> https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/455


[16:13] <ebel> OK, this is weird. I have an upstart job that starts a SSH tunnel to a host. But I can't stop it!
[16:14] <ebel> it was running, and when I "stop JOBNAME" it, the ssh process is still running.
[16:14] <xnox> ebel: probably tracking wrong pid.
[16:14] <xnox> ebel: compare ps output with `status yourjobname`. Do the pids match?
[16:15] <ebel> http://pastebin.com/9XghsZFu FYI this is the /etc/init/JOBNAME.conf
[16:16] <ebel> xnox: ah, yeah, different pids...
[16:16] <ebel> I should use "expect" here
[16:16] <ebel> I read that part of manual, but I thought ssh would stay in foreground....
[16:17] <ebel> after I 'stop JOBNAME' it, the process is still running. But if I kill the PID, then a new one starts up again
[16:34] <SpamapS> ebel: you should not need expect
[16:34] <SpamapS> ebel: you don't need to use sudo
[16:35] <SpamapS> ebel: setuid svn_ssh is all you need there
[16:36] <SpamapS> ebel: a whole raft of things wrong with that upstart job.
[16:36] <SpamapS> ebel: 1: start on startup means you will start before networking, before filesystems are mounted, before EVERYTHING
[16:36] <SpamapS> ebel: you want 'start on runlevel [2345]'
[16:36] <ebel> this is my first attempt at an upstart job...
[16:36] <SpamapS> ebel: oh and two start ons means 'start on startup' isn't actually going to be used, so 'started network-services' will be used
[16:37] <SpamapS> ebel: I have almost the exact same thing... I use keep-one-running to keep mine up though, because upstart is too eager to give up with respawn
[16:39] <ebel> gah, i've stopped the upstart job, and the ssh process is still there. i keep trying to kill it but something is respawning it....
[16:40] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5596412/
[16:40] <SpamapS> ebel: thats what I use to keep a tunnel up (changed to use some of your values ;)
[16:40] <SpamapS> ebel: note that I have vmstat 30 doing my alive interval ;)
[16:41] <SpamapS> hm, I guess -TN would have been better :)
[16:41] <SpamapS> ebel: anyway, I've been using that job for a couple of years now
[16:42] <ebel> thanks
[16:44] <ebel> gah, now it says "unknown job" when I try to start it...
[16:45] <ebel> anyway to do a syntax check or something?
[16:46] <SpamapS> ebel: init-checkconf
[16:47] <ebel> don't have that command
[16:48] <ebel> ubuntu 10.04 server
[17:09] <SpamapS> ebel: oohhh
[17:09] <SpamapS> ebel: then you do need sudo :-P
[17:09] <SpamapS> ebel: you know.. 12.04 released almost a year ago.. :)
[17:09] <ebel> ;)
[17:33] <ebel> is there anyway to see if it's upstart that's restarting/respawning this ssh process? is there logs or something?
[17:44] <SpamapS> ebel: initctl log-priority info
[17:44] <SpamapS> ebel: though I think default logging priority would show upstart messages on respawn
[17:46] <ebel> where are the logs?
[17:46] <ebel> restarting the server is maybe an option, but don't want to have to
[17:47] <ebel> ah syslog
[17:50] <ebel> feck it, rebooting server
[17:50] <ebel> hit it with a big hammer


[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <dholbach> dpm, can you please post something like this on the ubuntu-translators social media channels: "Daniel Holbach had a quick look at the statistics of the #Ubuntu #Development guide #translations: http://is.gd/nfYLuq"
[08:20] <dholbach> dpm, muchas gracias
[08:21] <dpm> dholbach, ok, posted on G+, FB and Twitter
[08:22] <dholbach> I hope folks will get go and review all those unreviewed strings :)
[08:34] <popey> dholbach: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1k0kl8/surprising_stats_daniel_holbachs_blog/
[08:35] <dholbach> thanks a bunch popey!
[09:12] <popey> dholbach: how much do you know about click packages?
[09:12] <popey> dholbach: specifically, can I have a dependancy on a package in the repo? or do I have to pull that in and statically compile it?
[09:38] <dholbach> popey, you have to pull that in, there's no dependencies... you can just specify which version of the sdk you rely on
[09:39] <popey> gotcha
[10:38] <dpm> jcastro, jcastro_, marcoceppi, here's one app for the app showdown that is trying to implement trello support, very nice! http://sonrisesoftware.wordpress.com/2013/08/08/ubuntu-tasks/
[10:38] <jcastro_> whoa!
[11:53] <marcoceppi> dpm: awesome!
[13:44] <daker> Eid Mubarak everyone :)
[13:45] <SergioMeneses> daker, \o
[14:05]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:06] <smartboyhw> daker, what's Eid Mubarak BTW?
[14:07] <coolbhavi> smartboyhw, today is eid the day when ramzan and roza ends
[14:07] <coolbhavi> happy eid daker
[14:07] <daker> smartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Fitr
[14:07] <smartboyhw> coolbhavi, still not understanding:P
[14:07] <daker> smartboyhw: it's a religious holiday
[14:07] <smartboyhw> daker, ah
[14:09] <daker> the first day of the tenth month of the Islamic calendar
[14:09] <daker> coolbhavi: thank you!
[14:09] <pleia2> coolbhavi: you in town? :)
[14:10] <coolbhavi> yes pleia2 in NJ
[14:10]  * daker hugs dholbach back
[14:10] <smartboyhw> pleia2, you woke up early today:P
[14:10] <pleia2> coolbhavi: hooray! welcome
[14:10] <pleia2> smartboyhw: I'm on east coast US today
[14:10] <smartboyhw> pleia2, ah
[14:10] <coolbhavi> pleia2, thanks!
[14:11] <smartboyhw> That means it's high time I call on balloons :P
[14:12] <elfy> I'm sure he's just waiting ;)
[14:12] <smartboyhw> elfy, heh, nice:)
[14:12] <smartboyhw> elfy, you experiencing slow typing in XMir? Me too:(
[14:13] <elfy> only when I boot it
[14:13] <elfy> many are
[14:13] <pleia2> smartboyhw: there is a bug report, sec
[14:13] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1199450
[14:13] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1199450 in Mir "[xmir] Inputs slowing, last event of a stream of events greatly delayed" [Critical,In progress]
[14:13] <pleia2> known and being worked on
[14:14] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I do wonder who sabdfl will nominate for this year's CC election:P
[14:18] <smartboyhw> I think the same names as before
[14:18] <pleia2> people self-nominate, then sabdfl selects 12 that will be on the ballot
[14:18] <pleia2> hopefully not the same :) new people are great!
[14:19] <smartboyhw> pleia2, I thought it's sabdfl who nominates...
[14:19] <pleia2> smartboyhw: from 2011: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2011-September/001390.html
[14:20] <pleia2> we'll do something similar this time too :)
[14:20] <elfy> pleia2: due soon is it?
[14:20] <pleia2> elfy: we haven't even announced it for this year :)
[14:20] <smartboyhw> elfy, October:P
[14:20] <smartboyhw> The expiry date at least
[14:20]  * smartboyhw will nominate pleia2 or elfy :P
[14:21] <pleia2> but yeah, terms expire in mid october so we will probably start doing nominations call soon
[14:21] <pleia2> tend to give 2 weeks for voting
[14:22] <elfy> you can expect an nomination from me ...
[14:22] <smartboyhw> pleia2, what was that that I wanted to nominate you but you refused? Xubuntu project lead?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Should be...
[14:22] <pleia2> smartboyhw: hah, yeah
[14:23] <pleia2> smartboyhw: I started a new job this year that I love, but it is challenging and takes up tons of my time, I need to plan my volunteer work accordingly :)
[14:23]  * elfy was wondering why pleia2 was chatting in #ubuntu-quality
[14:23] <elfy> I see why now
[14:24] <smartboyhw> elfy, oh?
[14:24] <elfy> it's #u-c-t
[14:24] <pleia2> lol
[14:24] <smartboyhw> elfy, LOL
[14:25] <pleia2> I sometimes talk in #ubuntu-quality :)
[14:25] <pleia2> less so now that I do less iso testing
[14:25] <smartboyhw> pleia2, you should return to do more ISO testing
[14:25] <elfy> was in the middle of a pleasant cat nap and Patti Smith woke me up
[14:25] <smartboyhw> But anyways, elfy is here:)
[14:25] <pleia2> smartboyhw: I should do many things :) alas, human
[14:25] <smartboyhw> pleia2, yeah
[14:31] <smartboyhw> pleia2, whose names was on 2011's CC election ballot?
[14:32]  * smartboyhw hasn't even known Ubuntu by then so he doesn't know
[14:32] <pleia2> smartboyhw: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_234037fcede80bac
[14:33] <smartboyhw> pleia2, hmm I really can't recgonize some of the names:P
[14:33] <pleia2> Emmet and Amber stepped down, so Milo and Charles ended up replacing them on the council
[14:33] <elfy> only one I don't recognise
[14:34] <smartboyhw> elfy, Joe Barker probably?
[14:34] <elfy> nope
[14:34] <smartboyhw> elfy, who then?
[14:34] <elfy> known Joe since 2008
[14:34] <pleia2> Emmet is persia on irc (lots of people don't know his name)
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Oh, it's joeb454
[14:34] <pleia2> Joe is big forums guy :)
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Didn't realize that:P
[14:34] <pleia2> yeah
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Probably Scott Ritchie then:P
[14:34] <elfy> martin albisetti means nothing to me
[14:34] <elfy> smartboyhw: you go on guessing ;)
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Wait, he's yokozar:P
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Got it
[14:35] <smartboyhw> elfy, hmm?
[14:35] <elfy> so?
[14:35] <pleia2> elfy: Martin is beuno on irc, if you've seen him
[14:35] <elfy> what's a nick got to do with anything
[14:35] <smartboyhw> elfy, LOL
[14:35] <elfy> pleia2: not that I remember no
[14:36] <smartboyhw> pleia2, you should work on improving voting rates this time:P
[14:36] <smartboyhw> 252/694....
[14:36] <pleia2> smartboyhw: that's not actually bad turnout
[14:36] <smartboyhw> pleia2, oh?
[14:36] <pleia2> yep
[14:36]  * smartboyhw checks Kubuntu Council voting rate:P
[14:36]  * elfy has only been around 6 years - plenty of time to know others
[14:37] <smartboyhw> At least Kubuntu Council is 31/53....
[14:37] <pleia2> the best voter turn I've seen in a big open source project is about 40% (that was openstack)
[14:37] <pleia2> smartboyhw: yeah, kubuntu is not very big :)
[14:37] <smartboyhw> pleia2, yeah
[14:37] <smartboyhw> pleia2, better than Edubuntu Council LOL
[14:38] <pleia2> well, most of the project members there are on the council, very small team
[14:38] <smartboyhw> pleia2, yeah, and I think you Xubuntu people can make a council yourself;)
[14:38] <pleia2> that's why we don't
[14:39] <smartboyhw> pleia2, I think Xubuntu is bigger than Edubuntu
[14:39] <pleia2> it is, but having half your team members on a council seems a bit silly
[14:39] <smartboyhw> (sorry stgraber and others:P)
[14:40] <elfy> pleia2: lol
[14:40] <smartboyhw> pleia2, how many Xubuntu Team members there are now?
[14:40] <elfy> 79
[14:40] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members
[14:40] <smartboyhw> elfy, pleia2 hmm that's big
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Even bigger than us
[14:40] <pleia2> elfy: eh, well that number includes ubuntu core devs
[14:40] <smartboyhw> pleia2, eh
[14:40] <pleia2> really it's 11
[14:41] <elfy> pleia2: I was being forestpiskie ...
[14:41] <smartboyhw> pleia2, oh alright:P
[14:41] <elfy> I know theres not 79 :)
[14:41] <pleia2> :)
[14:41] <pleia2> pixies...
[14:41] <elfy> sssss
[14:41] <elfy> not xxxx
[14:41]  * smartboyhw chases elfy into the woods
[14:41] <elfy> :p
[14:41] <smartboyhw> pisies!?!?!?!?!?
[14:42] <nigelb> elfy: I remember those days.
[14:42] <nigelb> You probably remember me getting on IRC for the first time ^.^
[14:42] <elfy> I do - and BT
[14:42] <smartboyhw> nigelb, hmm, we probably can search back the IRC logs for you:P
[14:42] <elfy> nigelb: some would remember me turning up
[14:42] <nigelb> Heh
[14:42] <smartboyhw> When did I first pop up on IRC?
[14:43] <elfy> that is a date indelibly etched on my mind :|
[14:43] <elfy> lol
[14:43] <nigelb> I remember talking to paultag and being mesmerized about this python language.
[14:44] <nigelb> Now I get paid to write python code.
[14:44] <nigelb> </memory lane>
[14:46]  * smartboyhw has no clue on when he started on IRC
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Got it, 25th July 2012
[14:48] <smartboyhw> I am so young in Ubuntu world!
[14:48] <nigelb> The time doesn't matter!
[14:48] <nigelb> It's what you do!
[14:49] <smartboyhw> nigelb, :)
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Weird, that date is 2 days before my birthday :O
[14:50] <smartboyhw> balloons, stop hiding:P
[14:55] <smartboyhw> dholbach, private message?
[14:55] <dholbach> sure
[16:17] <dholbach> all rightie my friends - time to kick off the weekend
[16:17] <dholbach> have a good one everyone!
[16:17] <dholbach> hugs all around
[16:17] <dpm> same here, have a nice weekend!
[18:54] <jono> hey mhall119
[18:54] <jono> you online?
[18:57] <mhall119> jono: yup
[18:57] <jono> mhall119, meet in lobby on floor 25 in 10?
[18:58] <mhall119> ok


[16:42] <leftyfb> I created a username on launchpad that I would like to redo as a team. Can I delete the old account and re-use the name for the team?
[16:42] <rbasak> I'm not sure, but you could try it on staging or qastaging.
[16:44] <cjwatson> leftyfb: If you deactivate the account then it will (after a short time) rename it out of the way so that you can reuse the name.
[16:45] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Closing
[16:45] <leftyfb> how long is a "short time"? Hours? Days? Months?
[16:45] <cjwatson> Minutes
[16:46] <leftyfb> perfect. I'll disable it now and setup the team after lunch
[21:58] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/builders/ - any reason why s390x is frozen up?
[22:01] <acheronuk> not just s390x. a lot of builds seem 'stalled'
[22:01] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/4:5.10.2-0ubuntu1/+build/12752998
[22:02] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/4:5.10.2-0ubuntu1/+build/12753001
[22:02] <acheronuk> stuck for well over 1hr I think
[22:02] <acheronuk> and I think other builds are similar
[23:05] <cjwatson> tsimonq2,acheronuk: buildd-manager seems to have stopped mysteriously.  Asking sysadmins.
[23:08] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Thank you. :)
[23:09] <cjwatson> Apparently mysteriously crashed; it's been restarted and is making progress now
[23:10] <tsimonq2> \o/
[23:13]  * cjwatson watches the mainframe drain the s390x queue without breaking a sweat
[23:13] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: :D
[23:14] <cjwatson> First time I've seen a queue there in a long tim e:)
[23:15] <tsimonq2> lol


[00:07] <rharper> smoser: would you expect trunk cloud-init to run inside trusty as-is ?
[00:47] <smoser> rharper,  yeah, i'd think so
[00:47] <smoser> dont remember though.
[01:22] <rharper> smoser: ok, it doesn't; that does make injecting a deb of cloud-init into the various target releases somewhat problematic;
[01:23] <smoser> oh. trusty needs python2
[01:23] <smoser> right ?
[01:23] <smoser> is that it.
[01:24] <smoser> try
[01:24] <smoser> ./packages/bddeb --python2 -v -S
[01:24] <smoser> i'm trying that
[01:25] <rharper> ah, that makes sense
[01:28] <smoser> well, it does install
[01:29] <rharper> ph
[01:29] <rharper> it installs
[01:29] <smoser> but needs python-jinja2 and python-oauthlib the second of which might not be necessary
[01:29] <smoser> as i think it tries one and then the other
[01:29] <smoser> and jinja2 also
[01:29] <rharper> it errors out running
[01:29] <smoser> we can probably make it build wihtout those deps
[01:29] <rharper> /bin/sh: 1: exec: cloud-init: not found^M
[01:29] <rharper> I'm injecting the deb; dpkg --install; apt-get -f install ; that picks up package deps
[01:30] <smoser> seems to work for me
[01:30] <smoser> (with --python2)
[01:30] <rharper> right
[01:30] <smoser> i have to run
[01:30] <rharper> and built inside trusty sbuild
[01:30] <rharper> ok
[01:30] <smoser> right.
[01:35] <rharper> Keeping session: trusty-amd64-0c52d381-b0b8-48af-a299-5ed976f72b21
[01:35] <rharper> E: cloud-init_0.7.7~bzr1163-1.dsc: amd64 not in arch list or does not match any arch wildcards: all -- skipping
[01:37]  * rharper sbuilds harder
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So I now have a few different things that are pending merges in to trunk; I've been holding off on that because of overheard conversations about switching to git, but that hasn't happened yet (AFAIK).
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Is trunk still frozen for the move, or can we continue using it?
[13:49] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, i can't right now be delayed by moving to git.
[13:50] <smoser> i'd like to be on git. and i'd welcome you or someone setting up a git branch that synced trunk
[13:50] <smoser> on launchpad i think.
[13:50] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I'd like that too, but also don't have the time.
[13:50] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So can we safely merge things in to lp:cloud-init for the time being?
[13:50] <smoser> yes
[13:50] <Odd_Bloke> OK, cool.
[13:51] <smoser> and i'm ok for you to do that.
[13:51] <smoser> do the merges yourself, that is, and push.
[13:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Ack, thanks.
[13:51] <smoser> some things:
[13:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Also, I'm going to have a patch for UUID endianness for trusty soonish.
[13:51] <Odd_Bloke> (Luckily, it doesn't affect wily onwards. \o/)
[13:51] <smoser>  a.) tox must work
[13:52] <smoser>  b.) do not add dependencies
[13:52] <smoser>  c.) commit message in 'git style' format
[13:52] <smoser>     short description, blank line, longer description
[13:52] <smoser>  d.) update ChangeLog with roughly short description, and please give people credit there
[13:53] <smoser>  e.) when a bug is fixed, please --fixes lp:XXXXX on the commit
[13:53] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, so its cloud-init's job to flip endieanness of a uuid ?
[13:53] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: The problem is that the kernel with the bug is in the wild.
[13:53] <smoser> i think basically we just have to test both possible endianness
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke>     if current_instance_uuid == reported_instance_uuid:
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke>         # The endianness of the instance UUID has not changed
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke>         return reported_instance_uuid
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> NAILED IT
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke>     if current_instance_uuid == reported_instance_uuid:
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke>         # The endianness of the instance UUID has not changed
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke>         return reported_instance_uuid
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> Oh FFS.
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> How do clipboards in X even work?
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15266719/ is what I have currently.
[13:55] <Odd_Bloke> Untested as yet.
[13:55] <smoser> if current_instance_id in (big_endian(value), little_endian(value)):
[13:55] <smoser>  good
[13:56] <smoser> can you put such a function in util ?
[13:56] <smoser> i'm expecting that very soon i'll be having the same thing on openstack
[13:57] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So ATM it only affects Azure on trusty and maybe precise (I haven't checked there yet, focussed on getting trusty fixed first).
[13:57] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15266739/
[13:57] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So this was all going to be in an Ubuntu patch.
[13:58] <smoser> interestingly. azure uses system-uuid
[13:58] <smoser> openstack uses product-uuid
[13:59] <smoser> would both be vulnerable? or is product-uuid safe due to its different location?
[14:00] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Where does OpenStack use product-uuid?
[14:00] <smoser> see thatpaste.
[14:00] <smoser> and then followed paste is http://paste.ubuntu.com/15259269/
[14:01] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I think the OpenStack data source uses the metadata API to get the instance ID.
[14:02] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: It may be that that's also presented via DMI, but I don't think it's used.
[14:02] <Odd_Bloke> (And so it should be fine)
[14:03] <Odd_Bloke> Anyway, lunch is ready, I'll BBIAB.
[14:04] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, read the message :)
[14:04] <smoser> i'm looking to change that. or at  least to not re-hit the MD (which might be there) if the dmi data says that i am the same insatnce i was last time.
[14:17] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Oh, I didn't understand it was a proposed change. :)
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Oh, hmph, we remove the /var/lib/cloud/instance link before we determine instance ID.
[15:15] <smoser>  Odd_Bloke see /var/lib/cloud/data/previous-instance-id
[15:16] <smoser> and honestly, your check here should really run before we remove that link
[15:16] <smoser> because what you're doing is fairly definitive
[15:16] <smoser> and we only remove that link so that we go searching again, which we wouldnt need to do.
[15:16] <smoser> make sense ?
[15:20] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Not quite, no.  Looking at bin/cloud-init, the bits under '# Stage 4' don't do anything but clean things up if we aren't running with --local...
[15:20] <Odd_Bloke> (Perhaps I don't understand enough about when we run cloud-init at boot, and how)
[15:20] <smoser> right. you are adding somethign that is smarter than that.
[15:21] <smoser> so basically first thign that happens is cloud-init --local runs.
[15:21] <smoser> and it removes /var/lib/cloud/instance/
[15:21] <smoser> if it had 'manual_cache_clean' then it would nto remove that link
[15:21] <smoser> and it would not go looking for a datasource again
[15:21] <smoser> it'd just re-use the cached data.
[15:21] <smoser> which is what you want it to do.
[15:22] <smoser> so
[15:22] <smoser>  if manual_cache_clean:
[15:22] <smoser>     do not remove
[15:22] <smoser>  else:
[15:22] <smoser>    if my_quick_check_for_instance_id() == the_previous_instance_id:
[15:22] <smoser>    do not remove
[15:22] <smoser>  else
[15:22] <smoser>     remove link
[15:23] <Odd_Bloke> But my quick check for instance ID is Azure-specific, other things might will need to hit metadata APIs etc.
[15:24] <Odd_Bloke> And we haven't yet determined a data source at this point.
[15:25] <Odd_Bloke> I'm not saying that we shouldn't do that, I just don't think I can do it in the scope of a fix for a critical bug (that only affects old versions of cloud-init). :)
[15:28] <smoser> 2 othe rthings that allow me to support you making such a possibly invasive change
[15:28] <smoser> a.) /var/lib/cloud/data/previous-datasource is there. meaning you could look and noly consider this if the previous datasource was azure
[15:28] <smoser>   i dont think this is necessarily required, though, given
[15:29] <smoser> b.) its a UUID ! this thing should never be seen *anywhere* randomly twice
[15:29] <smoser> the failure path i guess is if you are a new instance on hardware, where that value is actually the node's uuid.
[15:30] <smoser> and you happen to have ran on this system when someone captured a new image.
[15:30] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Or if the cloud sets the same value for all instances.
[15:30] <smoser>  and it happened to hit the same instance id that your "proper" check found ?
[15:31] <smoser> if a cloud has all their instance ids with the same instance-id, then yes. we are foobarred.
[15:31] <smoser> i think we can strongly suggest people not do that.
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> :D
[19:11] <rharper> smoser: I think the lxd check isn't quite right;  IIUC, if one does not specify a lxd: dict in cloud-config, then it shouldn't attempt to install lxd;  we do a lxd_cfg = cfg.get('lxd'); which if yaml doesn't include a lxd section returns None;  the next check if not lxd_cfg and isinstance(lxd_cfg, dict);  is True and False for lxd_cfg of NoneType;  this means we fall through and attempt to install lxd;
[19:13] <smoser> you're probably right.
[19:13] <rharper> adding a not isistance(, dict) I think achieves what is wanted; assuming that if someone adds just lxd section (empty dict); that will install lxd ..
[19:37] <rharper> cool, with a fix in that logic;  I don't get lxd attempting to install in trusty (and thus breaking since it needs to be installed via backports);  I;ll file a bug, and send you a MR
[19:37] <rharper> there's also another lurking error in one of the error paths; pyflakes cloudinit/config/cc_lxd.py will show it
[20:12] <rharper> smoser: I packaged a python3 version of cloud-init built inside a xenial sbuild;  it installs to /usr/lib/python3.5/dist-packages ;  the python3 interpreter on vivid doesn't know to look there;  contrast with curtin, which uses /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages which works for any python3.x IIUC;  shoudl we do the same when packaging cloud-init ?  or do we need to build a new cloud-init deb for each release?  that does mak
[20:12] <rharper> e testing changes to cloud-init across all release a longer process since it requries N rebuilds
[20:13] <smoser> hm... the packaging doesn't use /usr/lib/python3.5 at all. right ?
[20:14] <smoser> it dh_python that does that.
[20:14] <rharper> oh
[20:14] <rharper> hrm, maybe the tools/build-deb in curtin does something different
[20:15] <rharper> I built the curtin package on my xenial host, so I don't think an sbuild of curtin would change the python path
[20:15] <rharper> build curtin inside xenial sbuild; that is
[20:15] <smoser> well i'm certain that i have never typed that path
[20:15] <rharper> I agree
[20:15] <rharper> now to look at the difference
[20:15] <smoser> tools/build-deb does with dh_python too (curtin)
[20:17] <rharper> maybe newer debhelper ?
[20:17] <rharper> 7 vs 9 ?
[20:18] <smoser> well thats just declaring the minimum
[20:18] <smoser> it uses what isthere.
[20:46] <smoser> rharper, i know what it is.
[20:46] <smoser> see in curtin/trunk/debian/rules
[20:47] <smoser> we build for python in $(PY3VERS)
[20:51] <smoser> it has somethignto do with that.
[20:58] <rharper> smoser: yeah, I was looking at the rules in curtin which specifies 2 and 3; looking to see if I can build with those changes
[22:44] <suro-patz> hello folks!
[22:45] <suro-patz> cloud-init 0.7.x on rhel7 is failing to execute due to dependency on urllib
[22:45] <suro-patz> am I missing some requirement?
[22:46] <suro-patz> https://github.com/openstack/cloud-init/blame/0.7.x/cloudinit/util.py#L49
[22:49] <suro-patz> harlowja_at_home: ^^
[23:15] <harlowja_at_home> suro-patz, sup
[23:16] <harlowja_at_home> is six installed?
[23:16] <harlowja_at_home> or a new enough six?
[23:16] <harlowja_at_home> suro-patz, i'd check the version of six
[23:16] <harlowja_at_home> causeit works for me
[23:27] <suro-patz> harlowja_at_home: yes, that's where the issue was
[23:27] <suro-patz> the rhel7 image i was using had six-1.3 :(
[23:28] <harlowja_at_home> ya, sounds old
[23:28] <harlowja_at_home> to old
[23:28] <suro-patz> Do you think it makes sense to put a lower bound in cloud-init requirements
[23:28] <suro-patz> harlowja_at_home: ^^ ?
[23:28] <harlowja_at_home> nope
[23:29] <harlowja_at_home> oh
[23:29] <harlowja_at_home> yes i mean
[23:29] <suro-patz> ok, I will go ahead and submit a request
[23:29] <harlowja_at_home> suro-patz,  https://github.com/openstack/cloud-init/blob/master/requirements.txt#L8
[23:29] <suro-patz> this days is it on github/gerrit or ol bazar stuff?
[23:30] <harlowja_at_home> oh nm, the 0.7.x branch not have that
[23:30] <suro-patz> oh cool
[23:30] <harlowja_at_home> smoser, where 0.7.x stuff happening now-adays
[23:30] <harlowja_at_home> :-P
[23:30] <suro-patz> yes, 0.7.x does not have
[23:30] <harlowja_at_home> i think smoser thought launchpad for 0.7.x and git for 2.0 stuff
[23:30] <harlowja_at_home> he'll know best
[23:31] <suro-patz> okie dokie
[23:31] <suro-patz> harlowja_at_home: thanks !
[23:31] <harlowja_at_home> np
[23:33] <rharper> smoser: I was unsuccessful in teaching cloud-init to do both python2 and 3 ; without more study at least.  Currently I'm just using the python2 version of the build any place that doesn't have python3.5 (which I belive is only xenial)


[01:40] <Guest_48> how to install intel graphics driver on xubuntu 20.04?
[01:41] <Guest_48> I tried "Intel Graphics Installer For Linux"
[01:42] <tomreyn> Guest_48: it is installed by default
[01:42] <Guest_48> But distribution not support was displayed
[01:42] <Guest_48> um...
[01:43] <Guest_48> Programs using OpenGL and webGL do not work at all
[01:43] <Guest_48> I am using Intel's E5300 CPU
[01:45] <tomreyn> the    glxinfo    command can tell you whether hardware graphics acceleration is supported, and which opengl version is.
[01:45] <tomreyn> glxinfo is provided by the    mesa-utils    package
[01:46] <Guest_48> name of display: :0.0display: :0  screen: 0direct rendering: Yesserver glx vendor string: SGIserver glx version string: 1.4server glx extensions:    GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_ARB_create_context_no_error,     GLX_ARB_create_context_profile, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float,     GLX_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB, GLX_ARB_multisample,
[01:46] <Guest_48> GLX_EXT_create_context_es2_profile, GLX_EXT_create_context_es_profile,     GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB,     GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_libglvnd, GLX_EXT_no_config_context,     GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,     GLX_INTEL_swap_event, GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer,
[01:46] <Guest_48> GLX_OML_swap_method,     GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer,     GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,     GLX_SGI_swap_controlclient glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGIclient glx version string: 1.4client glx extensions:    GLX_ARB_context_flush_control, GLX_ARB_create_context,
[01:46] <Guest_48> GLX_ARB_create_context_no_error, GLX_ARB_create_context_profile,     GLX_ARB_create_context_robustness, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float,     GLX_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample,     GLX_EXT_buffer_age, GLX_EXT_create_context_es2_profile,     GLX_EXT_create_context_es_profile, GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float,
[01:46] <Guest_48> GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, GLX_EXT_import_context,     GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,     GLX_INTEL_swap_event, GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer,     GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer,     GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control,     GLX_SGIS_multisample,
[01:46] <Guest_48> GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer,     GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,     GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_syncGLX version: 1.4GLX extensions:    GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_ARB_create_context_no_error,     GLX_ARB_create_context_profile, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float,     GLX_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
[01:47] <Guest_48> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 10)00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
[01:47] <Guest_48> result of lspci
[01:50] <tomreyn> !paste | Guest_48
[01:51] <tomreyn> Guest_48: if you'd like me to review this output, please use a pastebin, the above not only spams the channel but also makes it difficult to read.
[01:51] <Guest_48> ok
[01:51] <tomreyn> and please mention my nickname when you post the pastebin link
[01:51] <tomreyn> (so i get a notice)
[01:53] <Guest_48> tomreyn
[01:53] <Guest_48> https://pastebin.pl/view/935d8f6e
[01:59] <tomreyn> Guest_48: ok, looking
[02:00] <tomreyn>     Accelerated: yes -> you have hardware acceleration
[02:00] <tomreyn> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33   << your graphics chipset is Intel G33
[02:01] <tomreyn> OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 20.0.8    << highest OpenGL version supported is 1.4
[02:01] <tomreyn> Guest_48: this looks as good as it ever will with these integrated graphics
[02:01] <tomreyn> Guest_48: now what does not work?
[02:02] <Guest_48> https://webglsamples.org/
[02:03] <Guest_48> Everything here doesn't work
[02:03] <Guest_48> Status: WebGL creation failed: * Refused to create native OpenGL context because of blacklist entry: FEATURE_FAILURE_OPENGL_1 * Exhausted GL driver options.
[02:04] <Guest_48> Older versions of Minecraft released in 2011 also don't worㅏ
[02:04] <Guest_48> k
[02:04] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what this means, but a website is not the best way to test your graphics stack
[02:04] <tomreyn> glxgears    is a simple opengl application you can run
[02:04] <tomreyn> does it work?
[02:04] <tomreyn> run it from a terminal window for extra output
[02:05] <Guest_48> it works.
[02:07] <Guest_48> purumi@purumi-desktop:~$ glmark2Error: Glmark2 needs OpenGL(ES) version >= 2.0 to run (but version string is: '1.4 Mesa 20.0.8')!Error: main: Could not initialize canvas
[02:07] <tomreyn> Guest_48: so then i guess other opengl games will, too. try some which are in ubuntu, such as widelands, megaglest. xonotic.
[02:07] <Guest_48> glmark2 doesn't work
[02:08] <Guest_48> ok
[02:08] <Guest_48> I will install
[02:08] <tomreyn> i guess you'd need a better graphics chipset to run glmark
[02:08] <tomreyn> probably for some of these games, too
[02:09] <tomreyn> actually, xonotic isnt in ubuntu, i got this wrong
[02:10] <tomreyn> supertuxkart is, though
[02:11] <Guest_48> https://pastebin.pl/view/f94d2c43
[02:11] <Guest_48> widelands doesn't works
[02:11] <tomreyn> there is also a way to fake your opengl version, pretending you have support for a higher one. sometimes this can work, but often games will crash that way
[02:11] <tomreyn> you should probably get a dedicated graphics card for gaming.
[02:12] <Guest_48> How to forge the OpenGL version?
[02:14] <Guest_48>  megaglest works.
[02:15] <tomreyn> yes, megaglest will work for smaller games
[02:21] <tomreyn> MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=9.9   glxinfo | grep 'version string'
[02:21] <tomreyn> Guest_48: if you run this, you will see how the output changes at some places
[02:22] <tomreyn> this *can* help trick some games into assuming your hardware is supported, but then they'll fail when actually trying to use commands available in this opengl version
[02:22] <tomreyn> so it does not really help you much., you really need to get better / actual hardware.
[02:24] <Guest_48> I understand
[02:25] <Guest_48> Thanks for answering
[02:25] <Guest_48> will upgrade the gpu
[02:27] <tomreyn> any cheap or pre-owned dedicated amd graphics card that's compatible to your computers' pci bus should work
[02:27] <tomreyn> this cpu is 12 years old, it may even be about time to consider replacing the whole thing
[02:27] <tomreyn> Guest_48: ^
[02:29] <tomreyn> nowadays you get a lot more computation for the same or less power consumption
[02:30] <Guest_48> I will change the computer sooner or later
[02:30] <Guest_48> :)
[02:35] <tomreyn> Guest_48: your cpu compared to a current cpu with integrated graphics: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Pentium-E5300-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-PRO-4650G/1098vs3795
[02:36] <tomreyn> "cpu mark" is this benchmark's performance counter
[02:43] <tomreyn> Guest_48: and here's a comparison of the integrated graphics chips in both these cpus: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-G33G31-Express-vs-Radeon-Ryzen-5-PRO-4650G-with/782vs4274
[12:03] <ipkh> Hello, I need some help with permissions.
[12:04] <ipkh> The boinc manager is broken due to file permisions on the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file.
[12:06] <ipkh> It symlinks to the /etc/boinc-client/ directory where it is root boinc.  But Boinc Manager cannot read it to get the password.  Copying the password manually does work, but it should be automatic
[12:07] <ipkh> htop
[12:07] <ipkh> Boinc Manager is run under my username
[16:38] <sanjari> hello guys, after a fresh install of xubuntu 20.04.1 i only get a mouse pointer and no desktop on screen, using radeon driver on a very old rv535 (Radeon X1650 Pro rev 9e). can anyone help me out?
[16:39] <tomreyn> sanjari: that's after (graphical) login? or do you have autologin enabled?
[16:40] <sanjari> tomreyn: i selected auto login at setup
[16:40] <tomreyn> try clearing out ~/.cache/
[16:40] <tomreyn> oh wait, a fresh install, then ignore this
[16:41] <tomreyn> can you post a system log?    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:44] <sanjari> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/lupgg
[16:45] <sanjari> tomreyn: i had to use the power switch to turn it off before because after switching to tty1 and back to graphical desktop it hung up
[16:45] <sanjari> and yes this computer is very old :D
[16:47] <tomreyn> that's an understatement ;)
[16:47] <tomreyn> latest bios is here: https://support.ts.fujitsu.com/IndexDownload.asp?Softwareguid=48C0E0B9-1430-4728-AE8D-B56974708E5E
[16:48] <tomreyn> the versioning differs from yours, though.
[16:48] <sanjari> u think this is bios related?
[16:49] <tomreyn> no, i just look this up usually because a lot of people don't realize those can fix problems
[16:50] <sanjari> my guess was that i need old proprietary drivers but ubuntu-drivers doesnt list any
[16:50] <tomreyn> it will likel ynot help with this issue. i'm reading on, will keep posting single findings as i read the log, and repost back when i'm done
[16:50] <tomreyn> you'll need the radeon driver with this graphics chipset
[16:50] <tomreyn> which comes with xubuntu
[16:50] <tomreyn> 3 GB RAM is not much
[16:51] <sanjari> the machine had windows 7 32 bit installed before and showed up 4gb (3 usable), u think the ram is faulty maybe?
[16:52] <tomreyn> Memory: 3006488K/3144172K available (14339K kernel code, 2398K rwdata, 4956K rodata, 2716K init, 4988K bss, 137684K reserved, 0K cma-reserved)
[16:53] <tomreyn> i have no reason to assume that any ram is faulty at this time
[16:57] <sanjari> well in case there is no way to fix this quickly i think ima just replace the machine, its my neighbour's desktop so actually i dont give a damn if this thing lands in the trash bin
[16:57] <tomreyn> consider replacing your old 500GB WDC WD5000AAKS-00V1A0, 05.01D05, max UDMA/133, HDD by an SSD. only 1.5 Gbps  SATA links are supported by your hardware, but it'd still be much faster
[16:58] <tomreyn> i'm still reading, just reached graphics card initialization, feel free to (not)have patience
[17:00] <tomreyn> looks like the fourth GB of your RAM is assigned to the graphics card.
[17:01] <sanjari> u think that causes problems with the radeon driver maybe?
[17:03] <tomreyn> no, it just means you don't have a whole lot left for other things.
[17:03] <tomreyn> okay, i've finished reading the log. but i don't see anything serious there.
[17:03] <sanjari> can i disable it in bios? i didnt see an option for that
[17:03] <sanjari> because i guess my neighbour doesnt need the additional gpu ram
[17:03] <tomreyn> graphics initialization is fine, and the desktop also seems to start up ok
[17:04] <tomreyn> whether you can choose how much ram is assigned to vram in bios depends on the bios
[17:04] <tomreyn> this one has an award bios, they can offer a lot of options, so you could try.
[17:05] <sanjari> yeah ill reboot real quick and in case i still need help ill return later after dinner
[17:05] <sanjari> thanks for your time
[18:40] <samuk190> hi guys
[18:40] <samuk190> someone ahve problem with kde connect too?
[18:41] <samuk190> they've fixed it but its waiting for xubuntu devs to upload


[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:37] <RikMills[m]> https://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/plasma/5/5.26.2-5.26.3/
 havent land in ppa yet right?
 haven't land in ppa yet right?
 5.26.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu22.10~ppa1
 it is building, but currently launchpad looks not very well
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cb0ff44a/file_61345_tgs.webp
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ed9a8442/file_61348.jpg
 spinning ...
 loading spinning ...
 saw fews failed build
 I am assuming they were due to outage. I haven't even been able to load the logs to see
 \0/ : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6be92b60/image_2022_11_08_20_04_34.png
 bad news there
 (a) LP is still buggered for the rest of the builds
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3c67216b/file_61351_tgs.webp
 (b) https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2022-November/012864.html
 /me gives up and goes to find a 🍺
 👆🏻yeah .. the breeze broken (re @myfenris: )
 of course i wont update it (re @myfenris: )
 Is it only bcoZ of the project version only? Got other things to find out? (re @RikMills: /me gives up and goes to find a 🍺)
 Is it only bcoZ of the project version only?or Got other things to find out? (re @RikMills: /me gives up and goes to find a 🍺)
 U should (re @RikMills: /me gives up and goes to find a 🍺)
 Yes, the project version only. It makes plasma-workspace ignore breeze as a build dep
 Have ya submit the build changes? Or after your booze time ☺ (re @RikMills: Yes, the project version only. It makes plasma-workspace ignore breeze as a build dep)
 No idea. Depends really on launchpad working ok
 I may have a look later before I go 💤
 🫡
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c8e58f93/rocket.mp4
 Forwarded from RikMills: that is the current state of launchpad 😭
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/71ebb243/file_61354_tgs.webp


[11:18] <Us3r_Unfriendly> hiya guys
[11:18] <Us3r_Unfriendly> anyone awake?
[11:22] <Us3r_Unfriendly> !ls
[11:22] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[11:22] <Us3r_Unfriendly> !rsync
[11:22] <ubot2> rsync is a fast remote file copy and synchronization program - For more see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[11:26] <Us3r_Unfriendly> hi pascalaldo
[11:27] <pascalaldo> hi?
[11:28] <Us3r_Unfriendly> sounds like everyone else is sleeping here
[11:30] <Us3r_Unfriendly> great, pascalaldo fell asleep too
[11:30] <Us3r_Unfriendly> :P
[19:27] <jelatta> !man
[19:27] <ubot2> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the  command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | Manpages online: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/


[04:07] <lwizardl> hi
[04:42] <lwizardl> anyone here use a toshiba protege 3500 with ubuntu or linux
[06:34]  * drgnu Ubuntu 8.10 on TabletPC Motion Computing LE1600
[06:35] <drgnu> Does anyone know how to tweak Ubuntu to get an on-screen keyboard on LOGIN & when ADMIN password is required (i.e. when starting synaptic)?
[06:44] <lwizardl> drgnu i do not but i'm sure ubuntu-forums might have something about it
[19:35] <drgnu> does anyone know how to get "dead keys" recognized?  My tabletpc (Motion LE1600) has hardware keys on the slate and they don't do anything and don't show up in "xev" when I push on them.
[22:28] <drgnu> should I ask my question again?


[01:19] <pleia2> SF Ubuntu Hour \o/
[03:01] <nhaines> ianorlin: congrats!  I'll need a new monitor soon.
[03:04] <DonkeyHotei> ?
[03:20]  * ianorlin got a new monitor that I now have working on hdmi out of my laptop
[06:27] <ianorlin> welcome back nhaines
[06:28] <nhaines> ianorlin: thank you!  I hardly knew I was gone.  :)
[06:28] <nhaines> I should watch Tears of Steel again.
[06:28]  * ianorlin should probably go to bed
[06:31] <nhaines> ianorlin: Tears of Steel is only 12 minutes long.  You could watch it as a bedtime story and then go to bed.