[03:57] <holycow> they play all good stuff, all english, and i haven't heard any of it
[03:57] <holycow> heh
[03:58] <fazer> pune: hmm...yeah, that could be it, did you try it with windows?
[03:58] <pune> mcphail, it did, that's the funny part, as soon as I upgraded, it went out
[03:58] <holycow> ubuntu, pas de problem :)
[03:58] <yfir> MMond: you mean try out every possible sequence of characters until the password is found? yes it's possible. 'john' is one such program that will do this
[03:58] <ubuntu> lol -:p
[03:58] <pune> fazer, yep everything works
[03:58] <mcphail> pune: i upgraded to hoary tonight. everything fine
[03:58] <Guga> help
[03:58] <fazer> pune: oh
[03:58] <holycow> ubuntu welcome to debian/ubuntu/linux/gnu btw :)
[03:58] <holycow> do you use other distros?
[03:59] <pune> mcphail, really, well, I don't know if it's just my wifi, cause I plugged in another pcmcia device, and nothign
[03:59] <spawn> does the latest GNOME version have an option to make the Panels appear under a window?
[03:59] <Guga> hdb1 mount crashes blender on hda1
[03:59] <mcphail> pune: any hint of light from the wifi leds?
[03:59] <ubuntu> thks; from movie scarface : you want to fuck my wife?
[03:59] <MMond> thoreauputic: Yes . . . and here before me, I do have complete binary of a file. The pdf . . . let's say. If the entire concept of the passwords was changed . . . instead of it being simple text in hash files . . . it being contained in yet another binary file . . . do you see what I'm getting at now?
[03:59] <holycow> spawn, not that i know of
[03:59] <pune> mcphail, how do you like hoary, I think it's a great operating system besides the problem i'm having
[03:59] <spawn> holycow: ok thanks
[03:59] <ubuntu> btw?
[03:59] <mcphail> pune: seems good so far
[03:59] <spawn> btw = by the way
[04:00] <pune> mcphail, no, that's the thing, the device is recognized and the driver is loaded, but it doesn't get any power
[04:00] <thoreauputic> MMond: everything ends up as binary - what do you mean?
[04:00] <MMond> And that binary that would be surrounded around the password . . . hell, make it anything . . . a web of strings that do ultimately get you to the password . . .
[04:00] <mcphail> pune: you could try what i did...
[04:00] <holycow> pune, whats the problem again?
[04:00] <pune> mcphail, what'd ya do
[04:01] <ubuntu> euh i was try slakeware, mandrake, knoopix, debian
[04:01] <hypno> MMond breaking a password usually involves trying every combination of passwords. Besides, the password can't be hidden, or else it is useless to any legitimate program trying to check it.
[04:01] <pune> holycow, I'm having trouble with my wifi card
[04:01] <MMond> thoreauputic: In essence . . . to sum up: A password is easier to break, then decompiling binary
[04:01] <mcphail> tried a different .inf file
[04:01] <holycow> pune, is it supported?
[04:01] <pune> holycow, i've got the driver loaded and the card is recognized but it gets no power
[04:01] <ubuntu> what the best distro ever?
[04:01] <holycow> is it a prism54?
[04:01] <pune> mcphail, ok, maybe i'll check that out
[04:01] <MMond> hypno: Yes . . . but the verification on the other side, put some binary tweaking stuff there as well . . . the only and only two ends meeting . . .
[04:01] <MMond> The verification system, I meant
[04:01] <pune> mcphail, what kind of card did you say you had?
[04:02] <Fazer> Does anyone know how I can get the userlist on the right? I seem to be missing it
[04:02] <mcphail> belkin (broadcom chipset)
[04:02] <holycow> pune, you tried iwconfig command to bring it up?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> MMond: but a password ends up as a string of ones and zeros - so cracking it is just geeting that string: not at all the sanme as decompiling
[04:02] <ubuntu> http://www.michaelmoore.com/
[04:02] <pune> holycow, yeah, all that, eject and put it back in
[04:02] <holycow> iwconfig eth0 up ... for example?
[04:02] <yfir> MMond: why don't you try developing such a system yourself. i doubt many here are cryptography experts...
[04:02] <holycow> and? what error messages do you get?
[04:02] <pune> holycow, it looks like a pcmcia problem
[04:03] <pune> holycow, no errors, just no power
[04:03] <g14> http://www.moorelies.com/
[04:03] <holycow> yeah sometimes you need several pcmcia cards to figure out if its card or port
[04:03] <ubuntu> in 2048bits
[04:03] <etzerd> hello room
[04:03] <etzerd> ?
[04:03] <holycow> pune, are you sure you don't get power? rather how do you know?
[04:03] <etzerd> is anyone here ever install crossover yet?
[04:03] <mcphail> pune: does ndiswrapper -l detect the hardware?
[04:03] <holycow> iwconfig eth0 up returns no error?
[04:03] <pune> holycow, which is what I did, and plugged in a card reader, it didn't work either
[04:03] <holycow> maybe its permanently stuck in scan mode?
[04:04] <pune> etzerd, I did a while ago, why?
[04:04] <holycow> ah okay ... not sure, las time i did anything pcmcia was in debian, i have yet to try it here
[04:04] <etzerd> I have crossover pro 4.1 i don't   know how to
[04:04] <g14> Anyone here know the status of the usplash project?
[04:04] <fuentes> Is there any known conflict with Athlon 64?  I just too a runing system and transferred the drives to a new A64 system, and I'm getting Buffer IO and driveready seek errors - it refuses to boot.  I can bring the machine up on a DSL (damn small linux) cd and the disks are fine - read, write, fsck, fine.  I boot ubuntu from the drive, and the disks are unusable...
[04:04] <pune> mcphail, I'm pretty sure I did all that, I can do it again though
[04:04] <pune> mcphail, lol
[04:04] <g14> I use ubuntu and fedora and want to try it on fedora
[04:04] <fuentes> Is there soemthing going around about this?
[04:05] <etzerd> pune: thre is a .rpm file there but I do not know how to install it
[04:05] <holycow> fuentes, no, i just installed ubuntu on amd64 yesterday
[04:05] <holycow> i did have problems with missing packages
[04:05] <holycow> or erroneous packages
[04:05] <holycow> what i couldn'
[04:05] <mcphail> pune: do the LEDs even faintly glimmer?
[04:06] <fuentes> holycow, Well, this install was on a regular athlon, then I transferred the drives - but that should not be a problem, should it?
[04:06] <holycow> t figure out if it was my cd being borked or the packages are hosed, but basically theres a bunch of dependencies either not compiled or borked in amd64 repositories
[04:06] <MMond> hypno: Yes . . . indeed, if a perfect algorithm was put to place (supposedly, impossible to decipher) then yes . . . the only way left to get to that password would be brute force. Instead of the password being that . . . if a system was created that would create random and smart source code . . . that would surround the _password_ with it . . . then to "crack" the password . . . an outsider would have to first decompile the binary (as it w
[04:06] <MMond> ill be when finalized) . . . and then decipher the password . . . but that source code that would had been surrounded around the password . . . just make that source code . . . at the other end over the adequate verification system . . . just like Adobe Reader . . . my Adobe Reader can understand the pdf stuff . . .
[04:06] <holycow> fuentes, *hmmm* not on 32 bit to 32 no ...
[04:06] <petjal> dumb noob q:  why does apt-get update give me W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:06] <holycow> fuentes, i dont know if a 32 bit kernel will even run on amd64?
[04:06] <pune> etzerd, sorry, a friend came in, what um version of ubuntu are you running
[04:06] <ubuntu> someone has a decryptor?
[04:06] <fuentes> holycow, DSL boots fine...
[04:07] <holycow> 32 to 32 bit cpu systems, thats no problem at all, install once and carry the hd with you, its all modular, ...
[04:07] <etzerd> pune: the last one that came out last week 5.04
[04:07] <pune> mcphail, yeah, now i think they do, but they don't turn on, it says their power management has been turned off
[04:07] <sadneophite> ANYONE NEED HELP CONFIGURING A SOUND CARD???!!!! YAY
[04:07] <MMond> It was indeed john the ripper I used to crack those passwords . . . and again . . . disgustingly easy. The disgustingly easy-to-break password had me deriding it . . . yet leaving me feeling unbelievable unsecure
[04:07] <fuentes> I thought the Athlong 64 was fully 32-bit compatable...  You just don't take advantage unnless the kernel is 64 bit...
[04:07] <Fazer> sadneophite, yeah sure
[04:07] <MMond> unbelievably*
[04:08] <Fazer> sadneophite, wanna help me get sound working?
[04:08] <sadneophite> that was the audigy one wasnt it?
[04:08] <holycow> fuentes, that makes sense, i just don't have enough experience to confirm if its true in reality
[04:08] <mcphail> pune: i think you can achieve nirvana...
[04:08] <sadneophite> sure
[04:08] <pune> etzerd, so you're running hoary, eh, try um ok, the .rpm means it's a different kind of installer
[04:08] <holycow> fuentes, i don't know what could be causing it however, i'm sorry :/
[04:08] <pune> etzerd, one which i'm not entirely used to using
[04:08] <sadneophite> Fazer what have you done?
[04:09] <pune> etzerd, was there a .tar.gz file on the site for download anywhere?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> MMond: if you're really paranoid, you can always encrypt your file system :)
[04:09] <difeta> when will openoffice 2.0 beta be for ubuntu?
 MMond: why don't you try developing such a system yourself. i doubt many here are cryptography experts...  <-- I'm a young one . . . this appeals to me as interesting . . . I think I'll stand up for it. Could you direct me to a few links maybe? Or maybe some keywords I can attest Google for?
[04:09] <Fazer> sadneophite, nothing, I can't modprobe mine, says it isn't found
[04:10] <Burgundavia> difeta, in hoary universe
[04:10] <mcphail> MMond: a decent long password would take years to crack with john the ripper
[04:10] <Burgundavia> difeta, and will be part of breezy main
[04:10] <etzerd> pune: there are two install there "install-crossover-4.1.sh and isntall-crossover.rpm"
[04:10] <holycow> difeta, its already in universe
[04:10] <sadneophite> Fazer have you looked on the net?
[04:10] <sadneophite> Fazer card type etc?
[04:10] <difeta> Burgundavia, holycow openofficeorg 1.9 is in universe, not 2.0 beta
[04:10] <MMond> mcphail: Indeed . . . but nevertheless, the algorithm can be another potential weak spot
[04:10] <Burgundavia> difeta, that is the beta
[04:10] <holycow> Burgundavia, any chance it might be backported to hoary?
[04:10] <etzerd> no .tar or .gz
[04:10] <Fazer> sadneophite, yes, people have gotten it working...not sure why I can't
[04:10] <dhonn> snes9x freezes and does nothing any ideas?
[04:10] <MMond> You can never be sure . . . if there are holes in there . . .
[04:10] <holycow> difeta, oh! yes you are correct :)
[04:10] <mcphail> MMond: the FBI cannot crack most of them
[04:10] <holycow> difeta, sorry, misunderstood
[04:11] <sadneophite> fazer what is the modell?
[04:11] <difeta> Burgundavia, i think the beta is one more than 1.9
[04:11] <Burgundavia> difeta, holycow that is the beta as of universe freeze on the hoary release date
[04:11] <MMond> mcphail: While having physical access to it?
[04:11] <difeta> Burgundavia, ok
[04:11] <Fazer> sadneophite, hold on
[04:11] <pune> etzerd, yeah, i can help you more with the .sh one, otherwise find the install helper that usually comes with it, otherwise go to codeweavers website and maybe look there for some detailed instructions
[04:11] <holycow> Burgundavia, ah okay
[04:11] <thoreauputic> MMond: I have a nice cocrete bunker with extra locks you can put your servers in ;-)
[04:11] <mcphail> MMond: yes, of course
[04:11] <Fazer> sadneophite, 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[04:12] <compmanio36> if an ISP won't respond to an email you send to their abuse line, who do you go to after that?
[04:12] <mcphail> MMond: there are other ways to access a system, however...
[04:12] <etzerd> pune: thanks let me go back to the site and find out.
[04:12] <pune> mcphail, what do you mean?
[04:12] <crimsun> Fazer: did you pull the requisite info from bios?
[04:12] <petjal> Can someone please help me with apt-get?  I keep getting errors like Err http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages  302 Redirect [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[04:12] <mcphail> pune: i think you can crack the wifi thing
[04:12] <holycow> compmanio36, sue them, that always gets their attention
[04:12] <pune> mcphail, how then?
[04:12] <MMond> mcphail: I'm a young fool, with odd ideas of things . . . ;\ and oh-- it was thoreauputic that said passwords can be always easily broken if one obtains the physical access to machines!
[04:12] <MMond> Wasn't it? o.0 Maybe I misconstrued you . . . :x
[04:13] <thoreauputic> MMond: easily wiped - not quite the same
[04:13] <etzerd> pune: have ever use SUSE before?
[04:13] <mcphail> MMond: i think the ubuntuguide has a section on obtaining root access
[04:13] <MMond> thoreauputic: Yes . . . and I can't help but apply the "Adobe Reader" logic to this
[04:13] <g14> MMond: why do you need to crack passwords if you have physical access to a machine?
[04:14] <mcphail> pune: your card isn't poering up because you're using the wrong driver or an out of date ndiswrapper
[04:14] <g14> MMond: boot the computer with knoppix and change the passwd file directly
[04:14] <MMond> No one gave an answer that brought awe to me . . . binary is hard to compile . . . passwords are not hard to decrypt
[04:14] <RustyShackleford> How do you fix the resolution?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> g14,, exactly
[04:14] <MMond> g14: That was indeed what I did to crack those passwords . . . and it sickens me, that it is that easy.
[04:14] <pune> mcphail, ok, i'll give that a go
[04:14] <pune> mcphail, you're probably right on that one
[04:14] <crimsun> MMond: physical access essentially negates "security"
[04:14] <Quest-Master> Where in Hoary can I install fonts?
[04:15] <pune> mcphail, do you think i can just keep installing different drivers without removin the old ones?
[04:15] <holycow> crimsun, not for encrypted hd's/partitions
[04:15] <qwe> howdy, has any thought been put to making the main repository available via jigdo for offline use?
[04:15] <g14> MMond: Set the bios to not boot from removable media, put bios passwords on everything, and FOR HEAVENS SAKE people, use a grub password
[04:15] <qwe> a dialup user's plea ;)
[04:15] <holycow> you can change the password all you want, unless the various hashes match, nothing is getting unencrypted
[04:15] <pune> etzerd, no actually i'm pretty new to linux, i started on ubuntu like 2 weeks ago
[04:15] <mcphail> pune: no. remove the old ones (ndiswrapper -e)
[04:15] <g14> init=/bin/bash root is way too easy
[04:15] <Fazer> crimsun, I am not sure how I can do that.  The ThinkPad BIOS is just...weird.  THere is nothing about sound.
[04:16] <MMond> crimsun: But yet . . . while one obtains the Adobe Reader on a physical machine . . . it is usally a "harder" task(if not impossible) to get the source of the decryption . . . whereas, the password stands little chance of being safe if one has physical access to it
[04:16] <MMond> To its containment
[04:16] <Quest-Master> ..
[04:16] <etzerd> pune: how do you like ubuntu by far?
[04:16] <mcphail> g14: you can still remove the cmos battery though
[04:16] <holycow> frequence3 <-- best web radio station
[04:16] <holycow> *doo* *doo* *doo*
[04:16] <g14> MMond: encryption is all relative on which algorithm is used...
[04:16] <pune> etzerd, i love it, i think it's the easiest to use of all the distributions actually
[04:16] <pune> etzerd, of course, how would I know, hahaha
[04:16] <g14> MMond: Take DES for example, a decade ago, that was the US dod standard
[04:16] <etzerd> I thank so too
[04:17] <holycow> pune how does it compare to your other os experiences?
[04:17] <crimsun> Fazer: there should be something about the io and irqs assigned to isa devices, though
[04:17] <pune> mcphail, ok, gotcha
[04:17] <RustyShackleford> Which file do I edit to fix the resolution?
[04:17] <Phoenix_Zero> would anyone mind helping me with a graphics problem I'm having? I had nvidia driver running fine with an older card but now after I put a newer card in (NVIDIA 4200 ti, as to why I'm not installing with this, it wont work with install, monitor gives weird error (its stuck in another language)) After I config xorg for this new card and try to startx it just displays flashing white lines with maybe one pixel between them
[04:17] <g14> mcphail: true true, thats why physical access is important
[04:17] <neighborlee> could someone please check out my log  file and see if they can determine what is causing me to not get past the nvidia screen that 'try's to come up ??":::: http://www.heartseed.org/Xorg.0.log << thx ;-))
[04:17] <thoreauputic> MMond: decrypting a complete encrypted file system would require some serious computing power and a few lifetimes...
[04:17] <etzerd> pune: where are  you?
[04:17] <crimsun> holycow: sure it does. Imagine if you have access to an ETM.
[04:17] <crimsun> holycow: a bit extreme, but some recovery places do.
[04:17] <pune> holycow, well, i'm totally versed in windows, I basically grew up on it, ever since 95, so I'd say switching wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be
[04:17] <g14> thoreauputic: or a really big grid :P
[04:18] <pune> etzerd, i'm here, what's up?
[04:18] <tbird> anyone running Breezy yet
[04:18] <thoreauputic> g14: world domination! (tm)
[04:18] <MMond> thoreauputic: but not a password . . .
[04:18] <thoreauputic> MMond: you missed my point I think
[04:18] <holycow> pune, you tried at the right time, gnome2.10 and ubuntu finally polished off a few showstoppers for newbs
[04:18] <MMond> Hrmm, rephraase, please?
[04:18] <holycow> for example, mounting a floppy or cd rom required quite a  bit of knowledge just to begin
 MMond: encryption is all relative on which algorithm is used... <-- "relative?" Sorry.. I'm a nub :x
[04:19] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> MMond: easier to use filesystem encryption in cases of extreme security risk than try to make a perfect password
[04:19] <g14> MMond: I can crack a DES password relatively easy
[04:19] <Phoenix_Zero> could anybody help me with aforementioned graphics problem?
[04:19] <pune> holycow, I know, our school was having an install a thon and I was interested, it's been fun, I still have a few kinks to work out but
[04:19] <beggar> how can I execute a script everytime i initialize the system? it's a script that starts my internet connection....i want something like rc.local
[04:19] <g14> MMond: DES is a weak algorithm that has been broken and can be with decent computing power
[04:19] <holycow> crimsun, well i would need to read up more on that, the thing i'm thinking is that if a file system is encrypted, you need the 'same' key to unlock it, you cant swap in a 'different' key and unlock it ... however icould be wrong
[04:19] <queuetue> For massive values of "decent"...
[04:20] <g14> MMond: AES or Blowfish are much better encryption algorithms and prove much more difficult to break
[04:20] <mcphail> beggar: use crontab
[04:20] <RustyShackleford> I need to know how to fix the screen resolution.  I need to go to 1024x768
[04:20] <holycow> crimsun, its the regular passwords in unencrypted filesystems that are useless really, drop in a usb key/livecd and you have all the data
[04:20] <etzerd> no I'm asking you where are you chatting from, meaning what country are you now.
[04:20] <holycow> pune, cool, welcome :) keep it fun
[04:20] <crimsun> holycow: that's why I love livecds. I'm running off one.
[04:20] <Phoenix_Zero> ok I guess Ill just check back later
[04:21] <holycow> crimsun, hehe :)
[04:21] <pune> etzerd, you still there?
[04:21] <MMond> Okay -- I'm gonna crack my basics here for a second -- to "cracK' the algorithm . . . a "cytographer" is needed -- to "crack" a password . . . it can be done by using, john the ripper
[04:21] <yfir> MMond: you are suggesting that if one has, say, the 'shadow' file, one could easily crack the passwords within it by brute force?
[04:21] <pune> etzerd, i'm trying to install crossover on mine too, i had to anyway, so I might as well help you out
[04:22] <beggar> mcphail, and how i configure it to excute when i startup the system?
[04:22] <etzerd> ok
[04:22] <yfir> MMond: reasonably chosen passwords would take a very long time to crack by brute force, even with a lot of computing power
[04:22] <g14> MMond: Breaking algorithms is finding mathematical flaws that allow you to test passwords faster
[04:22] <etzerd> what version do  you have pune?
[04:22] <mcphail> beggar: use "@reboot" as the time
[04:22] <Fazer> crimsun, irq and isa?
[04:22] <beggar> mcphail, tks
[04:22] <MMond> yfir: Not ultimately what I'm "saying," but while I stand on my statements: Yes -- it could be potentially "known" by a tactic as simple as brute force
[04:23] <g14> MMond: If you have my shadow file (which uses MD5 to encrypt my passwords) It is going to take alot longer to crack them than if I used something like DES
[04:23] <duken> how to install to hdd ubuntu from live CD ?
[04:23] <pune> of crossover? just the standard trial
[04:23] <crimsun> Fazer: io, port, irq
[04:23] <etzerd> ok
[04:23] <queuetue> duken, Not supported, afaik.
[04:23] <MMond> g14: Again . . . I am unfamiliar to any "real-life used algorithms" -- but as for what you are saying, then it is indeed potentially possible to make a "pefect algorithm" -- _impossible_ to break?
[04:24] <Fazer> crimsun, I don't see those in the BIOS...
[04:24] <sadneophite> thoreauputic fazer has the same laptop as I do!!! HAHAHA
[04:24] <holycow> MMond, not only that, they exist
[04:24] <crimsun> MMond: there is one called the "one-time pad"
[04:24] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: :)
[04:24] <sadneophite> thoreauputic he doesn't know yet
[04:24] <RustyShackleford> I need to know which file to edit to fix screen resolution.
[04:24] <crimsun> MMond: unfortunately, there are severe scalability problems with OTP. One can never reuse the same pad.
[04:25] <g14> MMond: encryption algorithms are written by brilliant mathmeticians (spelling?)
[04:25] <jr_G-man> xorg.conf
[04:25] <g14> MMond: Great encryption is expensive (takes lots of cpu time) less encryption is easier to crack
[04:26] <g14> MMond: there will never be a perfect algorithm just there will never be a "secure" computer
[04:26] <MMond> So -- great encryption, by the verification system takes a longer time system to decipher on its part as well? (although, I imagine, still very minimal)
[04:26] <goldfish> there are algorithms that would take hundreds of years to crack
[04:26] <pune> etzerd, ah here we go, this is what you should do once you've downloaded the file
[04:26] <mcphail> gnight all
[04:27] <pune> etzerd, open a root terminal, then change directory to where the file is
[04:27] <goldfish> Sure, the nsa can crack anything though nowadays.
[04:27] <goldfish> apparantly ssh is near to being cracked.
[04:27] <pune> etzerd, then type in sh install-crossover-standard-demo-4.2.sh
[04:27] <MMond> Yeah . . . the thought just came to me . . .  I questioned him on it -- it actually was some sort of a key logger . . . sad . . . back to the circle -- a perfect password, cannot be created. :(
[04:27] <pune> etzerd, that should install it
[04:27] <crimsun> ssh is just a protocol, though, and orthogonal to any encryption used
[04:27] <g14> goldfish: ssh is near to being cracked? Do you even know what your talking about?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> MMond: use john, try to crack, say, a 12 character password with a mixture of characters, and see how long it takes (hint: you'll get very bored waiting)
[04:28] <goldfish> g14: Yes.
[04:28] <g14> goldfish: Would you like to elaborate?
[04:28] <goldfish> No.
[04:28] <g14> goldfish: I didn't think so
[04:28] <NigelS> g14: :P
[04:28] <goldfish> hehe
[04:28] <pune> etzerd, did you get that?
[04:28] <RustyShackleford> Damn, I can not fix this screen resolution.
[04:29] <NigelS> goldfish: ssh is a protocol.  It can use many different algorithms.
[04:29] <goldfish> NigelS: I know.
[04:29] <etzerd> I'm going to try it now hold on
[04:29] <g14> goldfish: obviously not
[04:29] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: hoary?
[04:29] <RustyShackleford> Yes
[04:29] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:29] <goldfish> with sudo
[04:29] <goldfish> g14: I retract that statement.
[04:30] <g14> goldfish: saying ssh is an ignorant statement. I can set anyone of several encryption algorithms for sshd to use
[04:30] <yfir> RustyShackleford: have you tried editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[04:30] <ubuntu> ALL WORKS FINE ON MY PC!
[04:30] <ubuntu> :-P
[04:30] <g14> goldfish: you were saying each one is near to being cracked and that is ridiculous
[04:30] <goldfish> I know.
[04:31] <goldfish> Apologies.
[04:31] <duken> where is i can get breezy iso ?
[04:31] <g14> goldfish: condolences
[04:31] <alindeman> g14: Someone could find a way to factor large numbers quickly tomorrow ;-)
[04:31] <g14> duken: use apt-get to update to breezy
[04:31] <thoreauputic> duken: nowhere, yet
[04:31] <g14> alindeman: they already have, it's called grid computing, and it happens to be part of my job :-)
[04:31] <crimsun> duken: (geez, Breezy just opened up this week!)
[04:31] <MMond> Someone proposed that I get some open-source program . . . and try decompiling the binary of it . . . and compare it to the original source code . . . potentially, if the decompiler was "perfect" -- then is it not true, that in fact, .. well, say the pdf encryption source code could be seen?
[04:32] <ubuntu> were i can find some babes?
[04:32] <crimsun> g14: do you work with IBM or Sun on it?
[04:32] <alindeman> g14: Which job is that?
[04:32] <RustyShackleford> yfir: I've got it open right now in gedit.  What do I edit?
[04:32] <ubuntu> lol
[04:32] <vHogemann> Wow! Did you just said breezy is open!?
[04:32] <yfir> ubuntu: try falling asleep
[04:32] <g14> crimsun: military
[04:32] <g14> but Im at home now
[04:32] <duken> g14: how the source.list ?
[04:32] <crimsun> g14: ah. My MSc thesis was on grid computing.
[04:32] <holycow> MMond, take a few advanced mathematics course and encryption courses, the answer is no
[04:32] <MMond> I am not famililar to any decompilers . . . or how they work. In this case, what would be their holes? What would it be . . . that could be wrong with them?
[04:32] <duken> hoary change to breezy like that ?
[04:33] <holycow> MMond, it's exceedingly difficult to answer that question without very high level knowledge
[04:33] <ubuntu> bye bonne nuit
[04:33] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: You are better off running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:33] <g14> crimsun: nice, we use suns oss gridengine to factor large numbers
[04:33] <holycow> abientot ubuntu
[04:33] <g14> crimsun: for war simulations
[04:33] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: that will edit xorg.conf for you
[04:33] <crimsun> g14: ah
[04:34] <MMond> holycow: Very well . . . and now, what I was saying before . . . instead of the password being that . . . make the password a binary, and the encryption--each individiual, self-contained to that source . . . and the verification system . . . to just meet the end of it. Do you understand what I'm trying to get at now?
[04:34] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:34] <duken> hey, why name of each release are warty, hoary and curently breezy ?
[04:34] <duken> the name take from ?
[04:34] <MMond> So ultimately, in essence . . . the password, would be a _program_ rather than some "text"
[04:35] <holycow> MMond, no, it's a specialty i don't care much for unfortunately, encryption and high level math are specialties that require lifetimes to gain profficiency in
[04:35] <thoreauputic> duken: just pure invention
[04:35] <g14> duken: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <goldfish> ehhh
[04:35] <g14> duken: and replace every "hoary" instance with "breezy"
[04:35] <duken> g14: ok thanks
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> Hey, is it possible to start ESD again after I killed it to use skype?
[04:35] <yfir> thechitowncubs: yep, just type esd
[04:36] <MacIver> esd
[04:36] <thechitowncubs> that doesn't seem to work
[04:36] <g14> duken: follow that with apt-get update
[04:36] <thechitowncubs> im going to try it right now
[04:36] <g14> duken: you can do it from within synaptic, but it's slower for some reason
[04:36] <goldfish> what the hell
[04:36] <thechitowncubs> it plays a weird noise but the command never closes
[04:37] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> ok
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> it worked, but if i close the console it stops working
[04:37] <goldfish> what is breezy?
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> what do I do to keep it running
[04:37] <yfir> thechitowncubs: that's how it works. if you want to keep a useable terminal when you run esd, type "esd &" instead
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> goldfish: the next release
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> ok
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> thanks
[04:37] <goldfish> it's out already?
[04:37] <NigelS> goldfish: aka ubuntu 5.10, scheduled for october
[04:37] <duken> goldfish: the next release of ubuntu
[04:37] <yfir> thechitowncubs: "esd &" will background it
[04:37] <goldfish> cool, thanks
[04:38] <duken> goldfish: not yet
[04:38] <goldfish> ah right
[04:38] <duken> just from apt-get
[04:38] <duken> if you trying to upgrade
[04:38] <thoreauputic> MMond: you "program" would by definition have to be "closed source" - hence it would be impossible to know what was in it ( a trojan, worm etc) : not an idea that appeals to peple in open/free software anyway
[04:39] <g14> MMond: the idea of a decompiler is very nice, the actual implimentations aren't so hot
[04:39] <duken> g14: u has tried the breezy ?
[04:39] <g14> MMond: If you don't understand low level C or ASM then forgot it
[04:39] <yfir> MMond: also, you'd have to figure out how other legitimate programs and services can access your "binary" passwords
[04:39] <g14> duken: No, but my best friend is a Ubuntu Dev and uses it
[04:40] <holycow> g14 or machine language
[04:40] <holycow> heh
[04:40] <duken> how his reason?
[04:40] <MMond> thoreauputic: People trust Adobe for their "closed source" . . . in a more pragmatic sense, the thing most important here is nevertheless security . . . at its most perfect state, is at least, what I feel safe with
[04:40] <holycow> ms actually require profficiency in being able to read machine language for some positions
[04:40] <g14> holycow: heh, asm is machine language
[04:41] <holycow> assembly is machine language?
[04:41] <crimsun> actually we distinguish microcode from asm
[04:41] <holycow> lol *shrug* wot do i know
[04:41] <NigelS> MMond: ask Skylarov about trusting Adobe :P
[04:41] <holycow> heh
[04:41] <yfir> MMond: also, what makes you think a password as "binary" is any more secure than MD5 encrypted password in a shadow file?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> MMond: you are wrong that people trust Adobe - in fact there has been recent information that their pdf reader contains spyware
[04:41] <g14> crimsun: your correct, but the differences are very minimal
[04:41] <MMond> g14: I'm young . . . and this appeals to me . . . I'm very erratic on my goings . . . I'm willing to learn C, got any pointers you can direct me to? :O
[04:41] <hien> Is it possible to add new categories to the "Applications" menu?
[04:41] <NigelS> no pun intended MMond ? :)
[04:41] <holycow> thoreauputic, i have no doubt about this, including the recent linux acroreader
[04:41] <MMond> Woah . . . spyware in Adobe's software? Absurdity! I trust Adobe with my life
[04:42] <thoreauputic> MMond: then I'm sorry, but you are very naive
[04:42] <g14> MMond: run a sniffer, that will tell you if they are sending your info back
[04:42] <MMond> Oh dear God, what has this world come to . . .
[04:42] <MMond> g14, what program of Adobe specifically?
[04:42] <holycow> MMond, to be sure, no one is actually saying they know there are
[04:42] <g14> MMond: Take classes in school for C, it's not exactly a beginners language. Maybe you could start with python
[04:42] <thoreauputic> MMond: this is one of the many advantages of open/Free software
[04:43] <holycow> we are extremely suspicious, adobe is a big corporation that hasn't shown good faith in the latter part of its existence
[04:43] <crimsun> MMond: the funny thing is that C is the most compact and easiest to learn of most languages
[04:43] <g14> MMond: I am not saying they do that, I am saying a sniffer will verfiy if they send info back or not
[04:43] <NigelS> a lot of people learn C first
[04:43] <MMond> And if I remember correctly -- the kernel of Linux was originally, and is, written in C?
[04:43] <holycow> still is
[04:43] <crimsun> MMond: C with arch-specific asm as necessary
[04:43] <holycow> gnome is mostly c if i remember reading that correctly
[04:43] <g14> MMond: yes there was a huge flamewar on LKML about the kernel being written in C++
[04:44] <Phoenix_Zero> given as its been a while since I asked, I will repeat my question
[04:44] <Phoenix_Zero> would anyone mind helping me with a graphics problem I'm having? I had nvidia driver running fine with an older card but now after I put a newer card in (NVIDIA 4200 ti, as to why I'm not installing with this, it wont work with install, monitor gives weird error (its stuck in another language)) After I config xorg for this new card and try to startx it just displays flashing white lines with maybe one pixel between them
[04:44] <MMond> We, the people, can see the source of the kernel -- can we not?
[04:44] <g14> C is one of the fastest languages, the lack of decent memory management (a garbage collector) make it difficult for some people new to the idea of programming
[04:44] <crimsun> MMond: of course
[04:44] <MMond> Then, would it not be really extremely easy to distinguish the language the kernel was written in?
[04:44] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, are you sure you have the right vertical and horizontal refresh rate?
[04:44] <holycow> thats the most common error
[04:45] <MMond> And leave no doubt?
[04:45] <NigelS> talking about huge flamewars, have people been watching this rather public spat? :) http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=3322&Thread=1&entryID=49309&roomID=11
[04:45] <holycow> also try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and pick the most common setings, and try the vesa driver first
[04:45] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: very sure, I set them myself based on the monitor's specs
[04:45] <holycow> you can work backward from there toward your nvidia drivers
[04:45] <lizardcry> chk
[04:45] <crimsun> MMond: in what sense? Remember that C++ really isn't far at all from C if used "purely" imperatively/procedurally.
[04:45] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, whats the max res of your moni?
[04:45] <Phoenix_Zero> ...hmm...well theyre the only nvidia drivers listed and it said they would work with geforce series cards
[04:46] <NigelS> MMond: what's your question? no one's in doubt :)
[04:46] <yfir> MMond: there is no doubt, the kernel is written in C (basically) and you can look for youself if you don't believe me
[04:46] <lizardcry> how do you boot straight to the terminal, not into X?
[04:46] <Phoenix_Zero> max res is 1280*1024
[04:46] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, "which" nvidia drivers did you install, the ones that come with ubuntu, or using the nvidia drivers via the info on the ubuntu website?
[04:46] <Phoenix_Zero> should I not even enable those modes when configuring x?
[04:46] <MMond> crimsun: I'm referring to what g14 said
[04:46] <GammaRay> The mouse pointer flickers like mad when scrolling; Whats up?
[04:46] <Fazer> crimsun, http://linuxfocus.org/~guido/gentoo-tp600e/tp600e-gentoo1.4-config.html <-- did you check this out? I think that has the partmers you were talkin gabout
 MMond: yes there was a huge flamewar on LKML about the kernel being written in C++
[04:47] <Phoenix_Zero> using the ones I downloaded using apt-get as defined in the wiki "apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:47] <g14> MMond: sorry let me rephrase that...
[04:47] <MMond> Or maybe I misconstued his statement . . . ? :s
[04:47] <Fazer> crimsun, isapnp=0 cport=0x538 port=0x530 sb_port=0x220 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0
[04:47] <crimsun> Fazer: you need parameters specific for _your_ install
[04:47] <GammaRay> dear god this channel is swollen now
[04:47] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, okay cool, yes that should be fine ...
[04:47] <crimsun> Fazer: they can differ from machine to machine
[04:47] <lizardcry> how do you boot straight to the terminal, not into X?
[04:47] <Fazer> crimsun, oh, damn =( okay
[04:47] <g14> MMond: A guy wrote a huge patch that allowed people to write kernel modules in C++
[04:47] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, do you get the gdm login menu at all?
[04:47] <Fazer> crimsun, let me restart
[04:47] <GammaRay> did half of #debian up and join?
[04:47] <yfir> MMond: that flame war was about whether the kernel should be in C or C++ or not, not what it was actually written in
[04:47] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, how far do you get on boot?
[04:48] <g14> MMond: Linus, Andrew Morton, and the main kernel devs laughed at it and said heck no
[04:48] <holycow> yfir, i think the kernel should be written in vb.net
[04:48] <thoreauputic> MMond: just a holy war about languages - anyone can see how it's written, because the code is available to all
[04:48] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: do you think it might be that I had x try and setup a res higher than the monitor allows? does it automatically try to boot into the highest res? When it starts x it goes into the white line blinking thing
[04:48] <holycow> -_-
[04:48] <g14> MMond: the kernel IS written in C
[04:48] <yfir> holycow: want to start a flame war about it :)
[04:48] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, yes thats what i'm trying to determine on your answers
 MMond: Linus, Andrew Morton, and the main kernel devs laughed at it and said heck no  <-- Why? C is much more powerful than C++ or what?
[04:48] <GammaRay> stop talking so quick.. don't make me ignore half of you!
[04:48] <thoreauputic> holycow: hell, no - BASIC !
[04:48] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, so do you see the gdm login screen?
[04:49] <yfir> holycow: personally, i'm partial to lisp...
[04:49] <Phoenix_Zero> I dont see a login screen at all
[04:49] <NigelS> lizardcry: I'm sure there's some ubuntu way of doing it :) but what's happening is gdm is being started. So move the gdm script from /etc/rc2.d/
[04:49] <holycow> yfir, haha funny :)
[04:49] <Phoenix_Zero> it starts x and goes nutz
[04:49] <g14> MMond: I don't remember the semantics, but I'm sure you could find it somewhere in the LKML archives. C is better for portability and really low level stuff
[04:49] <Kortor> Does anyone know if there is a mudclient for linux with the features of zMUD?
[04:49] <lizardcry> thanks
[04:49] <MMond> Ahh
[04:49] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, okay login to shell, do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:49] <holycow> phoenix then do startx ... does it go nuts still?
[04:49] <hien> g14: I'd say portability really just had to do with the quality of the compilers, the languages themselves are no more or less prone to portability.
[04:49] <Phoenix_Zero> um....
[04:49] <g14> MMond: basicly, the higher level a language is, the slower and less efficient it will run
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> I may sound like a moron, but it immediately starts into x
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> I dont know how to go only into shell
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> esentially I cant login
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> Im under LILO btw
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> Im reinstalling right now (no worries, was a clean install anyway...)
[04:50] <Marble2> what does gamin do?
[04:50] <NigelS> Phoenix_Zero: press ctr-alt-f1 to get to a virtual terminal.
[04:50] <goldfish> ctrl + alt + f1 to get aq shell
[04:50] <Marble2> /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server is hogging a ton of cpu
[04:50] <drbombay43> can anyone tell me where the rules file for iptables is kept
[04:50] <MMond> g14: "higher level" . . . don't know what you mean by that . . . but compact can indeed be powerful and stable . . . o.0
[04:50] <Marble2> does it matter if I kill it?
[04:50] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, no don't worry, oh lilo, well, not sure actually, how and why did you install lilo under ubuntu? thats just wrong on so many levels beyond 'just because'
[04:50] <g14> Marble2: gamin is a file monitor
[04:50] <holycow> hehe ;)
[04:50] <Marble2> g14: what is it used for?
[04:50] <g14> MMond: the more features, the higher level
[04:51] <Jerub> is there a a way of netinstalling ubuntu via bootting off the network?
[04:51] <g14> Marble2: for nautilus and gnome to see when files are added, deleted, or changed
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: on every attempt to install grub the installer fails
[04:51] <Marble2> ohh
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> actually Im almost to that part in the installation
[04:51] <lizardcry> how do you specifically address someone in chat?  [noob]
[04:51] <Marble2> i know why it started then
[04:51] <Marble2> thanks
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> so Ill tell you the exact error soon...
[04:51] <yfir> Marble2: best not to kill it :)
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> lizardcry: double click on their name
[04:51] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, really? weird.  okay well let me outline a couple of things so that you know what ot look for.
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> their name in the side window that is
[04:51] <thoreauputic> lizardcry: type their name (use tab complete)
[04:51] <NigelS> lizardcry: start typing their name and press tab :)
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> thank you very much holycow
[04:51] <g14> MMond: ASM is very close to pure machine code, as a result, you need to know how to move data around in memory. This makes it very difficult to program
[04:52] <lizardcry> thoreauputic, doh
[04:52] <holycow> a: your xorg.conf file only specificies the 'possible' resolutions it doesn't tell gdm or x which one to use by default
[04:52] <lizardcry> NigelS, got it.
[04:52] <g14> MMond: Python is very easy to learn. It does alot of work (behind the scenes) for you.
[04:52] <thoreauputic> lizardcry: did I misunderstand?
[04:52] <holycow> b: you don't start x by default, you actually start gdm which then starts x
[04:52] <g14> MMond: ASM is very low level whereas Python is very high level
[04:52] <Phoenix_Zero> what is gdm holycow?
[04:52] <Jerub> I'm really really stressed out, my laptop has died, and the only way I can instlal anything on it is via netboot.
[04:52] <lizardcry> thoreauputic, nope. I made fun of myself for not knowing ...
[04:53] <Jerub> becuase I don't have the external cdrom for the laptop model.
[04:53] <queuetue> Are there seperate repositories for AMD64?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> lizardcry: ah, OK :)
[04:53] <holycow> c: gdm is a program that controls the session, its the application that you type your user pass into, its not the same as gnome or x btw, its a separate app
[04:53] <Phoenix_Zero> Im sorry Jerub..
[04:53] <MMond> And a more random question: About 2 months ago, I got the "Linux in a nutshell" book . . . it said, that one of the three reasons people want to use Linux is: 1) It's free 2) I forgot precsiely, but I think it may had been that it was stable, or for its open source, and ultimately, powerful choices of extensiblity 3) It's small . . . -- small? Keep in mind, that it has been only 2 weeks since I've started using Linux . . . it's not small! N
[04:53] <Jerub> is there a way to netboot+install ubuntu ?
[04:53] <MMond> ot smaller than Windows anyways . . . my laptop (which I chose, merely for "experimenting" and playing around with linux for) had windows before and it had much more free space
[04:53] <yfir> Phoenix_Zero: gdm is the 'gnome display manager' - it's basically your graphical login screen and the prog that starts your xsession
[04:53] <sadneophite> thoreauputic is there an ubuntu site for specific hardware problems... like could I write up an ubuntu help or something
[04:53] <Phoenix_Zero> Im using kde...
[04:53] <sadneophite> BOOOOOO!
[04:53] <MMond> And oh-- I only read .. maybe about 10 pages of that book . . . I wouldn't be speaking such things of idiocy had I completed it ;D
[04:53] <holycow> d: your using kdm then, it does the same thing
[04:53] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: here it came to the part where it fails "Executing 'grub-install (hd0) failed' this is a fatal error"
[04:53] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: the wiki , I guess
[04:54] <holycow> e: shut the 'f' up and let me finish, k?
[04:54] <holycow> :)
[04:54] <holycow> k.
[04:54] <sadneophite> well I gave fazer my patented fix
[04:54] <g14> Everyone knows that gnome or openbox are the best 2 desktop environments / wms out there. Lets not start a KDE Gnome flamewar :P
[04:54] <sadneophite> he has the same computer I do hahah
[04:54] <robitaille> sadneophite, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[04:54] <GammaRay> g14: openbox? pfft!
[04:54] <Phoenix_Zero> k, listening
[04:54] <yfir> g14: fluxbox!!! dammit!!
[04:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: a default linux install usually includes many apps - on windows you get notepad and internet explorer...
[04:55] <hien> MMond: The Linux you're running is a specific distro, meaning someone's chosen what to include in it.
[04:55] <g14> yfir: I HATE the tabs. Openbox is way better!
[04:55] <holycow> f: kdm then takes your login/pass, authenticates, starts either gnome or kde, and then kde tells 'x' to resize to either highest res (this is when you first login) or it uses the last resolution (if its like the second time you log in and have said you want your res to be 800x600 @ 75 hz for example)
[04:55] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, okay thats the line of events that happen ... so now we haveto figure out wher ein the chain you get the error
[04:55] <yfir> g14: i haven't tried openbox actually...  *blush*
[04:56] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, if i can't help fix the issue that should let you deduce the problem later y our self ...
[04:56] <hien> MMond: you gotta understand that an operating system doesn't have to be graphical and multimedia... an OS only has to provide some *core* functionality.
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:56] <Phoenix_Zero> hmm...well Ive never tried to go above 1024 when Ive been in a working environment
[04:56] <D_F> How do I change file associations in GNOME?
[04:56] <Phoenix_Zero> I bet anything that its the high rez
[04:56] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, so you don't see the kdm login screen at all then? when kdm starts up its just white lines?
[04:56] <MMond> Mmmmhmm . . . got it. I do have lots of apps . . . makes sense. Happy answer that sums up and makes sense.. thanks :)
[04:56] <g14> yfir: I actually like it better that flux but this is linux... to each his own
[04:56] <Phoenix_Zero> just white lines holycow
[04:56] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, thats why you haveto know the chain of events and where to change
[04:56] <hien> MMond: if you want to see why they say Linux is small... look up "Damn Small Linux".
[04:56] <GammaRay> g14: icewm man :-P
[04:57] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[04:57] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, try reducing the refresh rates to default conservative values, and resolution posibilites to 800x600
[04:57] <MMond> hien: Linux on a floppy? I think I read up on that . . .
[04:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: it's possible to fit a functional linux with tools on a floppy disk
[04:57] <fazer> uhm...
[04:57] <Phoenix_Zero> ok, Ill do that holycow and then come back when Im done, this might take about 10 minutes or so
[04:57] <fazer> bah
[04:57] <Phoenix_Zero> thank you Ill be back soon
[04:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: see Tom's RootBoot
[04:57] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, if that doesn't fix it, your next step is to figure out how kdm picks the resolution it chooses to start at, because thats the next event in the chain
[04:57] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, k.
[04:57] <_exciton> Hello I have an iBook running ubuntu 5.04 and I want to know if there is any wireless options like USB that will work with the iBook and ubuntu
[04:58] <fazer> thoreauputic, who is that other person who was using the same thinkpad as me?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> fazer: sadneophite ?
[04:58] <fazer> there we go!
[04:58] <fazer> sadneophite, yo!  it didn't work
[04:58] <sadneophite> yo
[04:58] <sadneophite> WHAT!
[04:58] <fazer> sadneophite, yeah, during boot up, i got an error
[04:58] <sadneophite> do you have a little sound icon in the upper right
[04:58] <DocUb> Anyone here know the command to mount your DVD drive?
[04:58] <fazer> "Device busy or" something
[04:58] <fazer> sadneophite, haha, nope.
[04:59] <MMond> thoreauputic: While we are on the topic -- someone stated, to "reset," the password of Windows XP . . . one could boot from Linux, find way to the SAM file . . . and change the password. I actually tried the Ubuntu Linux for this . . . I could not access to it . . . or rather, /mnt/ was empty . . . that made no sense -- could you please explain what might be going on here? Something specific with the Live CD?
[04:59] <DocUb> Fazer: how's ubuntu treating you?
[04:59] <g14> GammaRay: I am running XFCE with nautilus for the desktop / icons right now
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> MMond, since XP is installed on NTFS and Ubunu only reads NTFS, that is the reason
[04:59] <thoreauputic> MMond: I haven't used the live ubuntu CD - but knoppix can do it easily
[05:00] <Marble2> how can I create a .deb file from a .tar.gz?
[05:00] <g14> MMond: There is something better than that
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> MMond, there are customized bootables for just that purpose
[05:00] <thoreauputic> MMond: you have to mount the partition of course, read/write
[05:00] <fazer> DocUb, fine, fine, I wa able to get my soundcard to work, but still wiating on sound.  And it is laggy when I try to move windows around.
[05:00] <DocUb> what theme are you using?
[05:00] <DocUb> and do you have gtk2 installed?
[05:00] <holycow> MMond, just do fdisk or fdisk -l, or some other command to find /devices and parittions
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> fazer, at least it works
[05:00] <mainer> marble2: alien -d filename
 MMond, since XP is installed on NTFS and Ubunu only reads NTFS, that is the reason  <-- Was that a paradox, or am I a fool?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Marble2: that depends on whether it's a binary or source code
[05:01] <holycow> MMond, then just add the partition to your /etc/fstab and point it to the FOLDER you created for that partition in /mnt
[05:01] <MMond> Ahh
[05:01] <holycow> MMond, otherwise google how tomount partitions / hd's under linux
[05:01] <g14> I'm not running ubuntu atm
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> MMond, if you want to actually write to NTFS partition, then you will need to install the CaptiveNTFS
[05:01] <g14> does the stock kernel support NTFS?
[05:01] <holycow> MMond, you will find out that windows actually does exactly the same thing, they just hide it, and it will explain why windows spins the hd/floppy in the ways it does
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> gl4, in read only
[05:02] <GammaRay> g14: and I'm listening the guano apes.. boy they have gibberish for lyrics
[05:02] <BockBilbo> goodnite
[05:03] <MMond> But to this, one could only _change_ the password.. and perhaps set it to blank (by simply putting 0000.. to it) but suppose one wants to uphold the password . . . is it possible simply copy the hash then, and paste it later? Or does the algorithm change real-time or something?
[05:03] <LinuxJones> it's quiet
[05:03] <fazer> nomasteryoda, hey
[05:03] <fazer> nomasteryoda, well,yeah, it dos, but the reason why I was planning on switching to Linux was because of spyware and shit
[05:03] <fazer> since it all laggy and what ont, I don't see the reason to stay though =
[05:03] <fazer> and plus, there's no sound
[05:04] <g14> MMond: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html
[05:04] <Marble2> thoreauputic: a binary I think
[05:04] <Marble2> no make files, or ./configure bs
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if so, there's no need to convert it
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> fazer, what kind of old system do you have? hehe
[05:04] <Marble2> thoreauputic: just add .deb extension?
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, congrats man
[05:04] <DocUb> nice Gnu :-D
[05:04] <RastaMahata> woo
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Marble2: just decompress it, read theREADME or INSTALL text - usually it contains a script to be run
[05:05] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, thanx a bunch!  ;)
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> glad to help
[05:05] <Marble2> well it's an upgade from a package I got through apt-get
[05:05] <MMond> EFS, DES (was it?) and what were the few other ones..? :x
[05:05] <GnuKemist> DocUb, thanx
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you usually make it executanle, and run it with ./scriptname
[05:05] <Marble2> and I don't want to have 2 copies
[05:05] <Marble2> I just want to update the one I already have
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Marble2: why are you bypassing the packaging su=ystem?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> *system
[05:06] <Don2> Anyone in here use Ubuntu with the iws2200 wifi card?
[05:06] <Marble2> it's not in the respositories yet
[05:06] <Marble2> and I'm impatient
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Marble2: what is it?
[05:06] <Marble2> which is why I wanted to convert it to a deb
[05:06] <GnuKemist> Don2, you mean the ipw2200?
[05:06] <Marble2> firefox 1.0.3
[05:06] <Don2> yes >_<
[05:06] <Dreamer3_> ok
[05:06] <Burgundavia> Marble2, it will only go into the breezy repos, but the security stuff will be backported
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Don2, I do... ;)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Marble2: from mozilla.org?
[05:07] <Marble2> thoreauputic: yes
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> my system continues to "lose" memory
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> after 2-3 days it's unusable and i have to reboot...
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> Dreamer3_, running kde?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Marble2: then just read the directions - you run firefox-installer or something
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> nomasteryoda: no, gnome, stock hoary install
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> java?
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> nomasteryoda: no
[05:07] <Marble2> yea. but how do I get it so my firefox file overwrites /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[05:08] <MMond> g14: So again -- what did you advise that I learn first? Python? :o
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you don't
[05:08] <Marble2> can I just cp it over no big deal?
[05:08] <Don2> GnuKemist, it recognized it during install but my internet is a little different. The ISP does some sort of DHCP and acts like the router it's hooked up to. Each computer has it's own IP outside of the router. If you know what I mean, do you know how to set that up?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Marble2: no
[05:08] <chaitatp> hello which command do you use to start/stop mysqld?
[05:08] <Marble2> yea, see I don't want to have 2 copies running
[05:08] <Marble2> just wanted to update it
[05:08] <Dreamer3_> chaitatp: /etc/init.d/mysql stop?
[05:08] <Dreamer3_> WOW
[05:08] <Dreamer3_> irssi auto-completed
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Marble2: just install it in your home directory and make a link for it is the easiest way
[05:08] <fazer> nomasteryoda, i have a Thinkpad 600E
[05:08] <g14> MMond: Python is very easy to learn, it is in heavy use for linux development (Redhat uses pygtk2 for all of their system tools) and Canonical loves python
[05:08] <fazer> nomasteryoda, it has 366 MHz with 160 MB ram.
[05:08] <fazer> nomasteryoda, the video ram is 2.5
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> fazer, k
[05:09] <fazer> Dreamer3_, yeah, its awesome.
[05:09] <g14> MMond: it will get you familar with programming in general
[05:09] <GnuKemist> Don2, in other words you're connected directly to the ISP... no router on your end?
[05:09] <fazer> nomasteryoda, should I give xfce4 a try or something.
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> fazer, you could set the ram using a script
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> shared ram
[05:09] <MMond> And before I tackle it, am I expected to know anything before it?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> right?
[05:09] <chaitatp> Dreamer3_: thanks, and whatif i want to prevent it from running within a specific runlevel?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if you overwrite /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox, you are just breaking things
[05:09] <Don2> Yes, there is a wireless router (linksys). The ISP does something really weird, I've never seen anything like it
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> fazer, flux is nice
[05:09] <Don2> I dont think I can access the router through the browser >_> (in this box)
[05:09] <Marble2> k
[05:09] <ripgut> firefox 1.0.3 is out
[05:09] <Dreamer3_> chaitatp: edit the links in /etc/rC0.d (something like that)
[05:10] <fazer> nomasteryoda, shared ram for video?!
[05:10] <ripgut> how do i update to it
[05:10] <Don2> I do an ipconfig in windows and it looks like it's set up directly to the isp, never touching the router
[05:10] <Marble2> haha
[05:10] <fazer> nomasteryoda, how is that...like...possible?
[05:10] <GnuKemist> Don2, I was having problems until a few hours ago
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you really don't need to uninstall anything
[05:10] <Marble2> i was just asking that ripgut
[05:10] <Don2> but it's on a wireless modem too
[05:10] <ripgut> :P
[05:10] <Don2> -modem +wifi
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> holycow: you could try update-rc.d, read the manpage, but not sure that's what it's used for
[05:10] <g14> MMond: http://www.diveintopython.org/
[05:10] <chaitatp> Dreamer3_: yeah, i know buta i thought there's something about update-rc.d command
[05:10] <GnuKemist> Don2, I couldn't get an IP for mine though
[05:10] <holycow> Dreamer3_, wrong nick -_-
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> chaitatp: read it's man page, see what you think
[05:10] <Marble2> thoreauputic: I'm not... it still uses ~/.mozilla for my profile, so i'm just running my 1.0.3 install untill it's in the repositories
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> holycow: yeah, sorry
[05:10] <Don2> yea, the ISP dynamically gives the computer an IP address
[05:11] <aliasd> heyas, i just did my first ubuntu install
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Marble2: right
[05:11] <aliasd> i got a couple of questions
[05:11] <Marble2> aliasd: shoot
[05:11] <aliasd> 1. is the root password randomised, changed periodically?
[05:11] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: there is no root password
[05:11] <Marble2> there is not root password by default
[05:11] <ripgut> o
[05:11] <ripgut> k
[05:11] <Marble2> it
[05:11] <aliasd> the password is nothing?
[05:11] <ripgut> so about this firefox update
[05:11] <Marble2> just use sudo for root commands
[05:11] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: root is disabled
[05:11] <MMond> g14: Got it, thanks for the pointers and the answers :)
[05:12] <Marble2> sudo command that requires root access here
[05:12] <GnuKemist> Don2, I got the new firmware from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net and copied them to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and it just started working after a reboot
[05:12] <Marble2> or you could do sudo passwd root to set a password, but you don't need to
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, lol
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> i forgot all about the firmware
[05:12] <Don2> GnuKemist, I'll give that a try.
[05:12] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, hehehe....  the weirdest thing
[05:12] <aliasd> umm... there has to be a root password, weather or not anyone knows it :)
[05:13] <GnuKemist> Don2, hope it will do the trick for you
[05:13] <Don2> Me too ;)
[05:13] <NigelS> aliasd: no, there doesn't :P the root account is disabled
[05:13] <ogra> aliasd, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:13] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: it's prolly randomly set and root is disabled
[05:13] <aliasd> fair nuff
[05:13] <aliasd> anyway
[05:13] <queuetue> Is there an AMD64 process?  Is the install supposed to know what kernels to use, or am I supposed to download a different ISO?
[05:13] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: move along, move along, no root, nothing to see here ;-)
[05:13] <thoreauputic> aliasd: not exactly - sudo effectively makes your user pass into a root pass
[05:13] <duken> how to make bootflash ?
[05:13] <aliasd> how do i get packages from the universe apt repository to add themselves into the gnome menus?
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: restart gnome? they should
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: at least most of the big ones that are packaged right
[05:14] <aliasd> thoreauputic, i know how sudo works :)
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: maybe apt-get install menu?
[05:14] <aliasd> hmm, i will try that
[05:14] <aliasd> is that the debian menu system?
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: i'm not sure what it is, just know i've seen it before :)
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: i installe something and it usually shows up :)
[05:14] <fazer> crimsun, so, what informtaion were you asking of to get the sound working?
[05:15] <aliasd> gnome really needs something like the kde appfinder, or that similar program for windows
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:15] <g14> aliasd: like beagle's Bleeding edge search tool maybe?
[05:15] <duken> how to make bootsplash ?
[05:16] <aliasd> g14, is that what im after?
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> fazer, you might want to turn on DMA on the HD to make the system more responsive . side effect should make sound smother
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> smoother
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> aliasd, no
[05:17] <Don2> GnuKemist, what version do I need (firmware)? How would I figure out what I have?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> beagle is the search engine for the desktop
[05:17] <aliasd> oh, like mac's finder?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> on steroids
[05:17] <GnuKemist> Don2, I actually just downloaded the current version off the website
[05:17] <g14> aliasd: Beagle is what Longhorn aspires to be with WinFS search
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> similar to google desktop, but better
[05:17] <fazer> nomasteryoda, what? how...do I do that?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> Don2, that should work
[05:17] <g14> aliasd: and it is sort of equivalent to Apple's spotlight search
[05:17] <Marble2> Is there a way to change the dialogs firefox uses to upload and download files?
[05:18] <Don2> k cool
[05:18] <fazer> nomasteryoda, and DMA on the HD is off? How do you know that?  ANd what is DMA?
[05:18] <aliasd> fair nuff
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> fazer, google for hdparm
[05:18] <aliasd> i like the idea of beagle
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> fazer, it should also be in apt
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> Direct Memory Access
[05:18] <g14> aliasd: check out the first 2 videos. THEY ARE SOO COOL! http://www.nat.org/demos/
[05:18] <aliasd> but i want something with a database of known applications that can find the binarys for those apps, and add them to menus
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> gl4, yea
[05:18] <cnez0red> hey I'm on dialup. Is there a way I can limit the bandwidth on an apt-file update, so it doen's take it all up?
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> i got to see Nat show them off at Brainshare
[05:19] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: this is taking longer than expected, Ive screwed up a few times, please excuse me
[05:19] <aliasd> heh, im on a bork3d archlinux install, no web browser, and no package manager
[05:19] <g14> nomasteryoda: thats awesome
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> it was fun
[05:19] <fazer> nomasteryoda, that will solve this window lagging?
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> sat right up front
[05:19] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, thats okay, if i leave you should have the framework to ask the right questions
[05:19] <Marble2> aliasd: use w3m
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> fazer, the dma turned on will help
[05:19] <siimo> anyone wanna help sort this mess? i cant remember which cable goes where ! http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/cables.jpg
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> and changing the shared mem for video
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> fazer, which video chipset?
[05:21] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, was that (Brainshare) in Utah?
[05:21] <aliasd> Marble2, would rather back up the system and install something better
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> very fun
[05:21] <Marble2> ;)
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> i got to go for free...
[05:21] <fazer> nomasteryoda, hold, let me you get you exact name
[05:21] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I met Miguel this Feb
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> Novell paid for the flight
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:21] <fazer> nomasteryoda, VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicGraph 256AV]  (rev 20)
[05:22] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, he was pretty cool.. got to see a bunch of the gnome folks
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> ah, let me look again
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> yea, they hacked up the demo and finished it at 1am the day of the keynote where nat showed it off
[05:22] <Don2> How do I extract the tgz into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? I need to login to do it? >_<
[05:22] <valts> hey how do i remove animation of 'min-max'imize' in Gnome?
[05:23] <MMond> In gnome-terminal . . . is there a "find feature" for the past history of it? Through the entire text on the terminal that has passed? :x Like "ctrl + f" in windows on a text file? :x
[05:23] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I also got Mako to give a talk at my LUG
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> MMond, try history | grep command
[05:23] <GnuKemist> MMond, ctrl + r
[05:23] <dcraven> valts, In gconf-editor, set /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources to true.
[05:23] <MMond> Ahh, cool, thanks
[05:24] <GnuKemist> ;)
[05:24] <RustyShackleford> I'm back.  I tried to fix the resolution, but I always got the error that it could not start the xserver.  So I had to go back to 640.
[05:24] <GnuKemist> ouch
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> MMond, you can also type 'history' then select your command by line number
[05:25] <cnez0red> hey I'm on dialup. Is there a way I can limit the bandwidth on an apt-file update, so it doen's take it all up?
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> cnez0red, there should be
[05:25] <MMond> Okay . . . any way I can have that simply high-lighted while all else that is surrounding the specific text is visable on the screen?
[05:25] <valts> dcraven : Thanks for your help!
[05:25] <dcraven> valts, any time.
[05:26] <DocUb> Does anyone know the command to mount my DVD
[05:26] <DocUb> not been a big fan here for the DV mounting lately
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> MMond, then use !linenumber
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> to call one of them out to use
[05:26] <RustyShackleford> Anybody know why i'm having this problem?
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> RustyShackleford, the drivers?
[05:27] <MMond> nomasteryoda: Based on what you said . . . and I'm taking guesses here, can I just do "history > file.txt" and maybe open that file with a GUI text editor such as leafpad and go windows-style?
[05:27] <Don2> Trying to figure out how I can login into my root so I can move files into a protected folder
[05:27] <MMond> Is it possible?
[05:27] <MMond> I'm mainly skeptic on the "history > file.txt" command . . .
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> MMond, if you want
[05:28] <MrNonchalant> Don2: There is no root account in Ubuntu.
[05:28] <MMond> Just gotta enable the root account, yep . . .
[05:28] <DocUb> Don2: you'll need to chmod 777 to that dir
[05:28] <MMond> nomasteryoda: got it, thanks
[05:28] <dcraven> RustyShackleford, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:28] <GnuKemist> Don2, use the root terminal  ;)
[05:28] <Marble2> uh MrNonchalant yes there is
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:28] <turkey_joe> When i am watching a dvd i can't hear any audio??
[05:28] <Don2> I was just making sure there wasnt an easier route :P
[05:28] <turkey_joe> any solutions?
[05:28] <circuit_rider_> Don2 - you can use sudo 'command' - or you can do sudu su
[05:29] <GnuKemist> Don2, ;)
[05:29] <MrNonchalant> Marble2: "In Ubuntu, the traditional UNIX 'root' account is disabled."  Now what?
[05:32] <Don2> (regarding the ipw2200)
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, thks
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> Don2, rebooting should enable it
[05:32] <GnuKemist> Don2, what I did was reboot but I make no garantees
[05:32] <Don2> k cool
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> right GnuKemist
[05:32] <fazer> GnuKemist, thanks
[05:32] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, my pleasure
[05:33] <GnuKemist> fazer, pleasure
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> Don2, remember dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> just in case
[05:33] <Don2> >_>
[05:33] <fazer> GnuKemist, bah, now if I only can get the soundcard to work on my thinkpad 600e.  Bah.
[05:34] <GnuKemist> fazer, mine just worked...  you said you got the nforce one right?
[05:34] <dcraven> fazer, what chipset is the thinkpad?
[05:34] <fazer> GnuKemist, uh...no not nforce.
[05:34] <fazer> dcraven, hold on.
[05:34] <fazer> Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[05:34] <fazer> there we go
[05:34] <GnuKemist> fazer, sorry... wrong memory  ;)
[05:34] <fazer> GnuKemist, no worries =)
[05:34] <dcraven> fazer, you'd think you'd have it memorized by now ;P
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> fazer, did you see this? http://www.io.com/~manojk/linux-tp600x/
[05:35] <fazer> that is 600x, mine's 600e
[05:35] <GnuKemist> fazer, do you know if the module for it is loaded?
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:35] <fazer> GnuKemist, how do I check? lsmod?
[05:35] <GnuKemist> fazer, yup... but assuming you know the name already
[05:35] <Kortor> Anyone here know anything about tinyfugue?
[05:36] <fazer> GnuKemist, well, i see "cs4236"
[05:36] <super_dude2> whats the defut root pasword in ubuntu ?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, there isn't
[05:36] <fazer> not sure if csnd_cs46xx is the name of the module
[05:36] <lunitik> super_dude2: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> you use the first user password
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> lunitik, thks
[05:36] <turkey_joe> can someone help me with my audio problem??
[05:37] <super_dude2> when i went to run program as user i put in my first user account pasword to go on root and it said worng password
[05:37] <GnuKemist> fazer, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml has a good tutorial on Alsa...  should be helpfull
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, just type
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> sudo
[05:37] <elcu> I'd like to use XFce but am not sure which package to install.  I'm running Warty.
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> and then your password
[05:37] <fazer> GnuKemist, thanks
[05:37] <lukewarm> anyone tried to install unreal tournament 2003 on hoary *AMD64*? the installer is confused and thinks I'm using glibc-2.0
[05:37] <super_dude2> in terminal?
[05:37] <GnuKemist> fazer, np  ;)
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:38] <super_dude2> ok
[05:38] <beggar> elcu xfce4
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> nice... just installed knoppix on my laptop
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> as 6th boot
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:38] <elcu> beggar: so not the xfce package? but xfce4?
[05:38] <darmou> does anyone know of mplayer that works with esd? ie mplayer-esd package?
[05:39] <turkey_joe> well fine then, i guess i'll have to continue using windows
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> turkey_joe, ouch
[05:39] <wgandhi> darmu, i compiled mplayer from source as a debian package...
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> if you will provide some more info, we might be able to help
[05:39] <wgandhi> it works with esd post compile.
[05:39] <turkey_joe> yeal....its painfull i know
[05:39] <beggar> yes...i think the "xfce" is an older vercion... 3.*
[05:39] <elcu> goodo
[05:40] <maclan> what's the prob turkey?
[05:40] <GnuKemist> fazer, I think your module/driver should be cs4610
[05:40] <darmou> ahh ok so just download the standard mplayer src package build it as a debian package and it should work with esd out of the box cool ,thanks for your help:)
[05:40] <turkey_joe> can hear anything when trying to watch a dvd.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> great, knoppix installed in german
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:40] <GnuKemist> fazer, snd-cs46xx to be exact
[05:40] <benkorkor_> Question: can impress play embedded sounds in presentations?
[05:41] <DocUb> anyone know the command to mount the dvd on?
[05:41] <wgandhi> darmu, run mplayer with -ao of esd..
[05:41] <DocUb> to the fstab
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> benkorkor_, it does in mine
[05:41] <maclan> but you see images?
[05:41] <maclan> what are you using to watch the dvds?
[05:41] <GnuKemist> DocUb, is there an entry for the dvd in fstab?
[05:41] <DocUb> no
[05:41] <turkey_joe> xine
[05:41] <wgandhi> darmu, try mplayer -ao help
[05:41] <DocUb> I made th efolder in /dev
[05:41] <benkorkor_> nomasteryoda, did you change any default settings?
[05:41] <wgandhi> if esd is listed urs set..
[05:41] <GnuKemist> DocUb, that could explain why it doesn't show up
[05:42] <MMond> By the "tail" command . . . does it offer such an option, that could capture not the very last of the lines . . . but modifiable on that part? Like for example . . . not the last 10 lines, but starting at before the last lines . . . and then regular from thereon . . .
[05:42] <DocUb>  can't find /dev/dvd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:42] <DocUb> not sure how to even add it for the dvd
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> DocUb, it should load automatically
[05:43] <benkorkor_> nomasteryoda, i'm using 1.1.3, you?
[05:43] <SpookyET> Does Rythmbox supports the iPod like amaroK?
[05:43] <GnuKemist> DocUb, if you dmesg |grep dvd you'll see where it is... should be /dev/hdc
[05:43] <DocUb> That's what I thought too
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> 2.0
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> er. beta
[05:43] <DocUb> ok Gnu, lemme give it shot
[05:43] <super_dude2> how do i run executeble files?
[05:43] <darmou> ok does anyone know how to configure the mplayer plugin to work with esd?
[05:43] <dcraven> GnuKemist is right fazer, I think you need the snd-cs46xx driver too.
[05:43] <dcraven> err...module
[05:44] <GnuKemist> DocUb, I'm a Gentoo user and not used to automatic mounting... ;)  don't know much yet about Ubuntu and udev
[05:44] <maclan> have you tried playing in anything else?
[05:44] <fazer> oh
[05:44] <fazer> thanks dcraven  and GnuKemist
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> try inserting another dvd or cd
[05:44] <dcraven> super_dude2, I swear you were in here a day or two ago asking the same questions.
[05:44] <fazer> But, where do I get these drivers?
[05:44] <benkorkor_> nomasteryoda, will give beta a try
[05:44] <GnuKemist> fazer, hope it works
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> google
[05:44] <dcraven> super_dude2, ./filename
[05:44] <super_dude2> i probly was
[05:44] <maclan> try installing totem-xine and using totm to play the movie
[05:44] <fazer> GnuKemist, I hope so too, but I am still lost
[05:44] <darmou> Does the lastest hoary kernel have inotify compiled in?
[05:44] <dcraven> fazer, you already have it.. modprobe it if it is not loaded.
[05:44] <GnuKemist> fazer, you see, I only know how to do it by building it into the kernel
[05:45] <Burgundavia> darmou, yes, but not turned on
[05:45] <maclan> i don't use xine player myself, i was looking for an option to select its sound output to esd but i can't find it
[05:45] <super_dude2> dcraven: it says accses denied
[05:45] <dantheman> how do i change the default program to open a given file type?
[05:45] <super_dude2> permision sorry
[05:45] <dcraven> super_dude2, prepend it with sudo if you trust the source.
[05:45] <super_dude2> i do
[05:46] <lizardcry> there's a gtk widgets package for openoffice;  what about for kde?????
[05:46] <dcraven> lizardcry, I doubt it. Try asking in #kubuntu if nobody here can help.
[05:46] <super_dude2> now it says command not found?
[05:46] <fazer> GnuKemist, oh =(
[05:46] <fazer> dcraven, I modprobed it, didn't do anything =/
[05:47] <GnuKemist> fazer, maybe it's called something else?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> lizardcry, yes
[05:47] <dcraven> super_dude2, cd /path/to/file/I/want/to/run; sudo ./filename
[05:47] <DocUb> GnuKemist: it says: Mount: dev/dvd is not a block device
[05:47] <fazer> hnmm
[05:47] <elcu> Anyone use gdesklets?  I've installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data but when I run it from the Applications menu, nothing happens.  The gdesklets application in the window list dissapears after a while.
[05:47] <DocUb> so must be getting close I suppose
[05:47] <GnuKemist> fazer, at which point you're completely w/o a clue as to what it is called
[05:47] <fazer> GnuKemist, yeah =(
[05:48] <GnuKemist> DocUb, you have to tell me what you did after we last spoke
[05:48] <DocUb> anyone have an fstab for dvd I can use
[05:48] <DocUb> ok
[05:48] <DocUb> /dev/dvd        /media/dvd      udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:48] <GnuKemist> DocUb, did you mount /dev/hdc to /mnt something?
[05:48] <super_dude2> it still says command not found
[05:48] <DocUb> I put that in the fstab
[05:48] <darmou> Burgundavia how do you turn it on?
[05:48] <GnuKemist> DocUb, but does /dev/dvd exist and link to /dev/hdc?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, did you choose the root terminal
[05:48] <holycow> heh
[05:48] <super_dude2> yes
[05:48] <DASC> hi
[05:48] <Don2> GnuKemist, still nothing after the firmware. >_< I found an article that says to use the latest drivers but I get an error "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop."
[05:48] <Burgundavia> darmou, no idea, sorry
[05:49] <DASC> 1 question
[05:49] <DocUb> lemme check
[05:49] <holycow> finally got vmware installed on an ubuntu system on a p300, 400 megs ram
[05:49] <holycow> woot
[05:49] <holycow> also installed win2k, on it for runnin weird stuff
[05:49] <DASC> how install the real player
[05:49] <DASC> for firefox
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Don2, I'm assuming you are trying to compile the drivers
[05:49] <DASC> ??
[05:49] <holycow> :) it's not so bad infact, responsive enough, its not 10ghz system but so what
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Don2, and you should be only copying files over to the folder
[05:49] <holycow> ubuntu, you don't sleep much, do you?
[05:49] <dcraven> super_dude2, then the file isn't there.
[05:49] <Don2> I just downloaded the drivers from the ipw2200 project website. No clue
[05:49] <holycow> :)
[05:49] <DASC> y unlock with chmod
[05:49] <DASC> but now
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Don2, don't compile driver
[05:49] <super_dude2> but it is i can see
[05:50] <Don2> k
[05:50] <Don2> Where do I copy the drivers to?
[05:50] <DASC> i do not how install
[05:50] <DASC> is .bin
[05:50] <dcraven> super_dude2, what kind of file is it?
[05:50] <DocUb> GnuKemist, I have no Idea, this is way to confusing for me
[05:50] <GnuKemist> Don2, if you lsmod do you see ipw2200 ?
[05:50] <dcraven> dcraven, is it executable?
[05:50] <super_dude2> executeble to install first class
[05:50] <ubuntu> gn
[05:50] <DocUb> it says it's not a block devie, and I suck terribly at mounting
[05:50] <dantheman> does anyone know how to change the default program to open a given file type?
[05:50] <Don2> GnuKemist, yes.
[05:51] <dcraven> super_dude2, bash script? Binary? Python script? Perl?
[05:51] <fazer> dcraven, GnuKemist do you think if I find those old How-to documents, which are made for like RH6, do you think it could still work?
[05:51] <Don2> ipw220  66156 0
[05:51] <GnuKemist> Don2, should be /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
[05:51] <dcraven> fazer, there is a chance. I dunno.
[05:51] <Don2> Just copy the drivers to the same firmware folder?
[05:51] <GnuKemist> fazer, lemme see if I can find something here
[05:51] <super_dude2> dont know all i know is its an exectuble installer
[05:51] <GnuKemist> Don2, yes
[05:51] <Don2> k
[05:51] <GnuKemist> DocUb, ls -l /dev/hdc
[05:52] <pharaonic_anubis> Does anyone have experience with the Cedega CVS release?
[05:52] <DocUb> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-04-15 17:06 /dev/hdc
[05:52] <DocUb> GnuKemist ^^
[05:52] <dcraven> super_dude2, "chmod 777 filename" then "sudo ./filename".
[05:52] <GnuKemist> DocUb, now ls -l /dev/dvds
[05:52] <GnuKemist> DocUb, now ls -l /dev/dvd
[05:52] <GnuKemist> no s
[05:53] <DocUb> bash: now: command not found
[05:53] <darmou> mmm managed to configure mplayer plugin to use esd but now getting stuttering on sound
[05:53] <DocUb> err
[05:53] <super_dude2> it says ./fcc-7.1-rc17: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, don't type now ;)
[05:53] <DocUb> total 0
[05:53] <DocUb> sorry
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, ls -l
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, np
[05:53] <dcraven> super_dude2, it is only executable if the permissions say so. Websites calling it executable is meaningless.
[05:53] <a_peck> :)
[05:53] <fazer> GnuKemist, thank you
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, change your fstab to /dev/hdc /mnt/media
[05:54] <GnuKemist> fazer, np
[05:54] <fazer> GnuKemist, I have fund some stuff but haven't tried it yet.
[05:54] <tweek888> hello,im having a problem with the sound controller ssetting my volume back to 0
[05:54] <GnuKemist> fazer, am keeping my fingers crossed
[05:54] <super_dude2> well when i dblclick on it it says the was an error launching the aplication
[05:54] <DocUb> GnuKemist one sec
[05:54] <GnuKemist> DocUb, k
[05:54] <DocUb> should I replace it?
[05:54] <GnuKemist> yup
[05:54] <DocUb> ok done
[05:55] <GnuKemist> DocUb, ls -l /mnt/media
[05:55] <DocUb> ls: /mnt/media: No such file or directory
[05:55] <fazer> GnuKemist, hehe cool
[05:55] <DocUb> might want it to say mount?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> DocUb, I only asked that b/c that's what you had told me....  mkdir /mnt/media
[05:56] <Don2> GnuKemist, I've copied the files to the directory and restarted. Now what?
[05:56] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: you still there?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> Don2, try your card
[05:56] <DocUb> lol
[05:56] <DocUb> ok done
[05:56] <DocUb> sorry about that
[05:56] <Don2> How? >_<
[05:56] <GnuKemist> DocUb, np... ;)
[05:56] <GnuKemist> Don2, man iwconfig
[05:56] <GnuKemist> Don2, do you know the AP essid?
[05:56] <Don2> Yep
[05:57] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: you still there?
[05:57] <DocUb> ok total for /mnt/media is total 0
[05:57] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig eth1 (your device may be something else) essid [name]
[05:57] <DocUb> same as dev/dvd
[05:57] <super_dude2> dcraven: what now?
[05:57] <GnuKemist> DocUb, mount -a
[05:57] <dcraven> super_dude2, ?
[05:57] <super_dude2> how do i run it?
[05:58] <DocUb> ok done
[05:58] <dcraven> super_dude2, I thought you ran it and it said you needed qt.
[05:58] <GnuKemist> ls -l /mnt/media
[05:58] <Don2> Ok, now what GnuKemist?
[05:58] <super_dude2> no?
[05:58] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig eth1 key [wep goes here if you use it]
[05:58] <DocUb> total 0
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, nice
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, ?
[05:59] <Don2> k, done with that
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> that command
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, thanx anyhow  ;)
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, ohh
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> just one of the nice little things about linux
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> terminal
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, hehehe
[05:59] <DocUb> lol
[05:59] <DocUb> very true
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> cli
[05:59] <GnuKemist> 'amen
[05:59] <super_dude2> oh well then how do i get "qt"
[05:59] <GnuKemist> Don2, ifup eth1
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, apt-get install qt
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> right?
[06:00] <DocUb> GnuKemist, did you want me to do anything else?
[06:00] <Phoenix_Zero> allright, would  anybody else be able to help me with my video/gfx issue?
[06:00] <DocUb> don't mean to bother
[06:00] <DocUb> :(
[06:00] <GnuKemist> DocUb, do you have any dvd in the dvd tray? ;)
[06:00] <Phoenix_Zero> right now I have the nvidia driver installed but whenever I boot it wont go into x fully ,it just crashes
[06:00] <DocUb> yep
[06:00] <GnuKemist> DocUb, np at all
[06:00] <Don2> GnuKemist, Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
[06:00] <GnuKemist> DocUb, and you can't see anything yet?  with ls?
[06:00] <super_dude2> cannot find package
[06:00] <dcraven> super_dude2, try "sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev".
[06:01] <DocUb> total 0 GnuKemist
[06:01] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig should tell you if the device name
[06:01] <super_dude2> still cannot find packege
[06:01] <DocUb> the HD light shows then it goes away
[06:01] <elcu> Phoenix_Zero: any error messages?
[06:01] <GnuKemist> DocUb, try it as root
[06:02] <GnuKemist> Don2, are you sure the device is eth1?
[06:02] <Don2> I should be using the right device name O_o
[06:02] <Don2> I'll try eth0
[06:02] <Phoenix_Zero> well it just did the white lines thing again...
[06:02] <Don2> ifconfig shows it as eth1
[06:02] <Phoenix_Zero> after a long black screen
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, which version? warty or hoary
[06:02] <DocUb> GnuKemist: total 0 as root and user
[06:02] <super_dude2> warty
[06:02] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig by itself
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:02] <DocUb> to weird
[06:02] <shawnh> good evening
[06:02] <DocUb> it's like it doesn't want to mount
[06:02] <SiRrUs> hello
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, you need to look at the wiki for warty
[06:02] <shawnh> sirus
[06:03] <GnuKemist> DocUb, were you running mount -a as user or root?
[06:03] <DocUb> root
[06:03] <Don2> I did iwconfig, it shows it as eth1
[06:03] <shawnh>  how is it goin tinnight
[06:03] <super_dude2> why?
[06:03] <shawnh> root
[06:03] <GnuKemist> Don2, then it should be eth1
[06:03] <SiRrUs> hello shawnh
[06:03] <dcraven> super_dude2, the libqt3-mt-dev package is in the Hoary repos.
[06:03] <Don2> I tried eth0 essid linksys and it says invalid arguement
[06:03] <shawnh> any gals out there
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> and add the other sources of apt packages to your /etc/sources.list
[06:03] <DocUb> lol
[06:03] <shawnh> I'm shawn
[06:03] <shawnh>  from bc
[06:03] <DocUb> this is Open Source Shawnh :)
[06:03] <super_dude2> oh
[06:03] <Phoenix_Zero> any ideas elco?
[06:03] <DocUb> nice to meet you
[06:03] <shawnh> so what are ya guys chatting about
[06:03] <shawnh> eh dude
[06:03] <GnuKemist> Don2, someone told me to try the GUI way first...  System -> Admin -> Networking
[06:04] <shawnh>  yeah  salgood
[06:04] <shawnh> yeaheh man
[06:04] <shawnh>  I sent my  comoputer to my cousin and   this is what I got back
[06:04] <shawnh>  seems to be working  fine
[06:04] <DocUb> GnuKemist: did you want me to settle for the night?
[06:04] <SiRrUs> shawnh seems you cousin is pretty smart
[06:04] <shawnh> what is open source
[06:05] <shawnh> hehhe
[06:05] <shawnh>  yeah  he is
[06:05] <elcu> Phoenix_Zero: Well, I'm on an ATI card. :-/  What install steps did you use?
[06:05] <shawnh>  are you a woman sirus
[06:05] <GnuKemist> DocUb, I'm actually leaving soon, but sometimes I good reboot or some sleep helps  ;)
[06:05] <erich> My Java 1.5 is not working any more since the latest upgrades.:-(
[06:05] <SiRrUs> no
[06:05] <DocUb> ah
[06:05] <shawnh> hahha
[06:05] <Phoenix_Zero> allright, would  anybody else be able to help me with my video/gfx issue?
[06:05] <shawnh>  too funny
[06:05] <Phoenix_Zero> right now I have the nvidia driver installed but whenever I boot it wont go into x fully ,it just crashes
[06:05] <DocUb> GnuKemist, good idea
[06:05] <shawnh>  where are ya from
[06:05] <DocUb> brb then
[06:05] <shawnh> (B)
[06:06] <DocUb> GnuKemist, ty for your time an dhelp
[06:06] <GnuKemist> DocUb, it worked for my wireless problem  ;)
[06:06] <Phoenix_Zero> either it freezes (except for mouse)
[06:06] <shawnh> hey  I think I am going  out  tinight
[06:06] <Phoenix_Zero> or I get the white lines
[06:06] <DocUb> VERY much appreciated
[06:06] <shawnh>  tin man had no heart eh
[06:06] <GnuKemist> DocUb, it was my pleasure and I wish we could have solved your issue
[06:06] <DocUb> hehe, I hope it works ;)
[06:06] <Don2> GnuKemist, okay it configured it. Now what?
[06:06] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:06] <shawnh> ;)
[06:06] <GnuKemist> Don2, try the net buddy
[06:06] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:06] <Don2> "Wireless connection -- The interface eth1 is active"
[06:06] <Don2> I tried a ping and it did nothing >_>
[06:06] <shawnh> where are the females  in here
[06:07] <Don2> the network icon in the top right says it's still using 'lo'
[06:07] <shawnh> lo
[06:07] <dcraven> shawnh, good luck with that.
[06:07] <shawnh> hahha
[06:07] <GnuKemist> Don2, does iwconfig eth1 show the right info?
[06:07] <shawnh>  good luck eh
[06:07] <shawnh>  thanks alot
[06:07] <shawnh>  crave
[06:07] <shawnh>  wee yoo from
[06:07] <Don2> GnuKemist, the info is the same as it was
[06:07] <shawnh> eggy
[06:07] <GnuKemist> Don2, and does ifconfig eth1 show a valid IP?
[06:07] <shawnh>  welcome
[06:07] <Don2> Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00
[06:08] <shawnh> bylaw
[06:08] <dcraven> Am I in the right channel?
[06:08] <GnuKemist> hehe
[06:08] <shawnh> am I in the right channel
[06:08] <Don2> I dont see any IP under ifconfig
[06:08] <GnuKemist> Don2, so we don't have a valid IP and we're back to zero
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> allright, well if someone can solve my issue, which is once again
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> right now I have the nvidia driver installed but whenever I boot it wont go into x fully ,it just crashes
[06:08] <GnuKemist> Don2, same prob I had
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> Id appreciate it
[06:08] <Don2> Excellent
[06:09] <Phoenix_Zero> otherwise Im going to just hang around
[06:09] <Phoenix_Zero> thanks
[06:09] <shawnh> thankyou
[06:09] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, did you change your xorg.conf?
[06:09] <dr_willis> Phoenix_Zero,  check the X logs  yet? you get the nvidia logo?
[06:09] <GnuKemist> Don2, don't give up
[06:09] <Don2> I'm not
[06:09] <shawnh> don;t quit your day job
[06:09] <GnuKemist> Don2, good
[06:10] <SiRrUs> gee Breezy seems ok so far
[06:10] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: yes I did, I added the horizSync and VertRefresh as they were autodetected incorrectly
[06:10] <Don2> holy crap.
[06:10] <Don2> You know what it was?
[06:10] <Don2> Guess ;)
[06:10] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, but did you change the driver from nv to nvidia?
[06:10] <GnuKemist> Don2, ???
[06:10] <Phoenix_Zero> dr_willis: I get the nvidia logo SOMETIMES but then it just freezes up at the logon screen, soemtimes with the boxes all non existence
[06:10] <Don2> GnuKemist, the WLAN button on the machine was set to off. :\
[06:10] <dr_willis> Phoenix_Zero,  sometimes.. Ugh. :P
[06:10] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, and add the glx module comment
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:11] <GnuKemist> Don2, ;)
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> i hate that
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: I ran nvidia-glx-config enable which does that
[06:11] <Don2> Thanks for all of the help GnuKemist. :)
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: glx module comment?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> happens to many people
[06:11] <GnuKemist> Don2, my pleasure
[06:11] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, try lowering your DefaultDepth if you haven't don that yet.
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: default depth is bit depth yes?
[06:11] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, there's a module that needs to be uncommented(sp) in xorg.conf
[06:12] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, yeah.. Look for the string "DefaultDepth" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. A value of 16 is typically safe. I think it's 24 by default.
[06:12] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:12] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: really now? ok I will definitely try that once Im done reinstalling (dont know how to do a console only boot with LILO installed (grub wont install) and it boots to x by default)
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> ahh...thank you as well dcraven
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> I will try both of those once this install is finished
[06:13] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, check the readme file that accompanies the driver for the info
[06:13] <dcraven> Okay I'm outta here for the night. Cheers fellas.
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: what is the module to uncomment and where is it in the xorg.config please?
[06:13] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, or better yet, go to ubuntuguide.org
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> aloha people, catch you on the flip side
[06:15] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: This site seems to assume Im using gnome, but Im using kubuntu
[06:15] <Phoenix_Zero> so some of the commands dont make sense to me...
[06:16] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, lemme find it for you
[06:16] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, my desktop has nvidia card
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: thank you very much
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> card in question is a 4200 ti if it matters
[06:16] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, by the way, do you have nvidia in /etc/modules
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> well its worked before with an older nvidia card
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> this old TNT RAGE
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> *TNT
[06:17] <lucas> hello
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> worked just fine
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> which is really why Im confused more tha nanything else
[06:18] <elcu> noob question: Anyone use gdesklets?  I've installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data but when I run it from the Applications menu, nothing happens.  The gdesklets application in the window list disappears after a while.
[06:19] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, Load "glx"
[06:19] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, needs to be uncommented
[06:19] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:19] <smouche> elcu, it's been a while since I tried gdesklets, but try this:
[06:19] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, and driver from nv to nvidia
[06:19] <GnuKemist> modprobe nvidia
[06:20] <Azerus> hi
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> I already modprobed nvidia
[06:20] <smouche> run from applications -- you won't notice it do anything, but it's running
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> Ill do the glx thing though
[06:20] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, k
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> youre really helpful kemist
[06:20] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, then kill KDE and restart
[06:20] <|cosmo|> hi all
[06:20] <|cosmo|> i have a problem with my sound here
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> righto
[06:20] <smouche> then I think you just drag any of the gdesklet displays to the desktop and release
[06:20] <|cosmo|> anyone can help me ?
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> these guys from another irc serv basically just mocked me...
[06:21] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, how so?
[06:21] <elcu> smouche: gdesklets displays?
[06:21] <smouche> and the display should start there...
[06:21] <smouche> elcu, you have to find the folder(s) where the gdesklets displays and sensors were installed
[06:22] <elcu> smouche: Ah, OK.  I'll try that.  Thanks.
[06:22] <GnuKemist> well folks... this is it for me...  see you all later
[06:22] <erich> Is there a way to use sun java 1.5 on hoary
[06:22] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: well then I was brand new to linux. So I'd ask something like "can someone please tell me how to copy a file to another location? I'm having some trouble, thanks!" and Id get "oh god...(then he'd put a link) And how do I know this? I BOTHERED TO LOOK. God dammit. Lazy idiot"
[06:22] <Phoenix_Zero> tired kemist?
[06:22] <smouche> elcu, sorry, I don't remember the exact procedure -- I found them more trouble than they were worth, but they're fun...
[06:22] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, long day here
[06:22] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, good luck to you
[06:23] <killapop> hi. im having trouble getting the wifi to work on my acer laptop running ubuntu. im quite a newbie. any help will be appreciated. thanks
[06:23] <yfir> erich: there is no java1.5 package as far as I know, but you could dl something from Sun probably
[06:23] <Phoenix_Zero> kemist: now leaving are ye?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, and about the mocking, we were all noobs once
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, I still am
[06:23] <elcu> smouche: do they end in .display?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, yup... leaving
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> aw crud
[06:24] <GnuKemist> killapop, out of curiosity, which wifi card?
[06:24] <erich> yfir: I know how to use java-package, its just that jdk 1.5 recently started crashing. and according to bugzilla/wiki a couple of people are seeing that
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> well. goodnight man
[06:24] <RustyShackleford> How do I determine my Horisync and VertRefresh?  I'm using a Dell Laptop and I can find it anywhere.
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> hope your day tommorow is better ^_^
[06:24] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, same to you buddy
[06:24] <killapop> GnuKemist: its a built in
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> Rusty: do you know the model number? I could help you look
[06:24] <don_> Where are fonts stored?
[06:24] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, same to you
[06:25] <GnuKemist> killapop, but do you know which?
[06:25] <don_> And ubuntu can read ttf fonts right?
[06:25] <GnuKemist> killapop, believe me, you'll need to know that  ;)
[06:25] <killapop> GnuKemist: hmmm :D oops. lemme check
[06:26] <yfir> don_: yes
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> rusty?...
[06:26] <GnuKemist> killapop, if you have a ipw2200 check the forums for my post (search ipw2200 woes)
[06:26] <don_> Do you happen to know where I would store these fonts?
[06:26] <GnuKemist> killapop, you caught me on my way out
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist, before yo leave, what forum is this?
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> of which you speak?
[06:26] <elcu> smouche: hmmm, gdesklets doesn't seem to be listed in the system monitor.
[06:26] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, ubuntuforums.org
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> thanks! ^_^
[06:27] <helio7> bash question: If I want to import a bunch of (digital image) files that are in a few subfolders but I want them all to be copied into one folder how can I 'word' that in bash terms?
[06:27] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, it even has a pic of me... hehehe
[06:27] <killapop> GnuKemist: i wont hold you up good sir
[06:27] <Phoenix_Zero> wowies
[06:27] <smouche> elcu -- sorry, I really don't remember the procedure well -- but this looks like a good page to check:
[06:27] <smouche> http://gdesklets.free.fr/board/
[06:27] <GnuKemist> killapop, so I will bid you farewell good sir
[06:27] <RustyShackleford> Model number: PP07L
[06:27] <elcu> smouche: No worries.  Thanks anyway.
[06:28] <killapop> GnuKemist: im sure i'll get some help in this fine channel.
[06:28] <Phoenix_Zero> Rusty: any other model name?
[06:29] <RustyShackleford> Dell Inspirion 1100
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> there we go ^_^
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> one second
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> got it!
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> horizontal is 31.5-48.5
[06:29] <fazer> How do I run in a .rpm in Ubuntu?
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> vertical is 59-75
[06:29] <RustyShackleford> Where did you find it?
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> fazer Im not sure you can, thats redhat
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> I googled  ' "Dell Inspiron 1100" vertical sync"
[06:30] <yfir> don_: the standard place for fonts is /usr/share/fonts/  (for all users) or just ~/.fonts/ for personal use
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> I think it was just the PP07L versus Dell Inspiron 1100 that threw you off
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> hope that works!
[06:31] <fazer> bah
[06:31] <elcu> fazer: you need to alien it to convert it to a .deb file.  Then run dpkg --install
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> Im reinstalling for the 8th time tonight :P
[06:31] <yfir> don_: /usr/local/share/fonts/ is another place for fonts you add yourself
[06:31] <fazer> elcu, alien? is it installed with hoary or do I have to apt-get it?
[06:31] <RustyShackleford> Thanks
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> elcu: didnt know that was an option elcu, that helps me out too..
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> no problem rusty
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> Im fairly new, so I help however  Ican
[06:31] <elcu> fazer: pretty sure it's installed by default.  check synaptic just in case.
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> geez Im sick of reinstalling everything..
[06:32] <fazer> hmm on
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> over and over
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> SO I CAN GET 3D working!!
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> Amaranth, isnt that a grain of some sort?
[06:32] <Amaranth> Phoenix_Zero: What?
[06:33] <Phoenix_Zero> Amaranth is a grain is it not?
[06:33] <Phoenix_Zero> some kind of aztec or incan thing?
[06:33] <Amaranth> Oh, my nick.
[06:33] <Amaranth> That's one of the meanings, yeah.
[06:33] <Amaranth> One I didn't know about when I picked it. :)
[06:33] <elcu> Amaranth: Isn't that from Xenogears?
[06:34] <elcu> Your nick, that is.
[06:34] <Amaranth> It's also a shade of blue, a mythical flower that never wilts, and a combination of two hindi words that say something about a god, iirc.
[06:34] <Amaranth> elcu: No clue.
[06:34] <Phoenix_Zero> wow, thats quite a diverse name you have there
[06:34] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:36] <fazer> elcu, , thanks!
[06:36] <elcu> fazer: it worked?  now worries.
[06:36] <kingsley> Unless I'm mistaken, I'm in the unenviable position of owning a dying printer, which means I'll need to a.) find a new one that's for sale and supported by gimp-print and ghostscript, and b.) pay for the new one and c.) upgrade gimp-print and ghostscript to versions that support it.
[06:37] <elcu> s/now/no :)
[06:37] <kingsley> Since inkjet printers seem to last about two years, I find myself wondering if there's a better way...
[06:38] <[Xaero] > my next printer is going to be a lazer
[06:38] <[Xaero] > larger upfront cost, cheaper in the longrun
[06:39] <yfir> [Xaero] : I made essentially the same choice about two years ago and am glad I did
[06:40] <kingsley> [Xaero] : Have you checked how well color laser printers are supported by gimp-print and ghostscript?
[06:40] <Phoenix_Zero> kingsley: LASER!! $200 and one toner can last over a year
[06:40] <Phoenix_Zero> for b&w that is
[06:40] <[Xaero] > kingsley, no I haven't
[06:40] <tga> laser rules unless you really need color
[06:40] <tga> even for colour you can go with a $500 laser
[06:41] <[Xaero] > yfir: did you buy new or used?
[06:42] <kingsley> Phoenix_Zero: Do you happen to know if laster printers last longer than ink jets ( ~2 years)?
[06:42] <MMond> A more random question . . . lots of my friends . . . who used Linux (Not Ubuntu) laugh at me for using Ubuntu, and tell me to go get a "real distro" . . . what is it exactly, that is so very different from most of the other Linux distros?
[06:44] <dr_willis> ask them to define 'real'
[06:44] <yfir> MMond: it's a full blown bleeding edge Debian. what more do your friends want?
[06:44] <dr_willis> tell them to get a 'real' oponion. :P
[06:45] <yfir> MMond: they are probably derisive simply because Ubuntu is aimed at home users, not l33t H4x0Rz
[06:45] <MMond> Hold on a sec, one of my friends was helping me solve a problem.. and ended up saying that, I'll paste what he said that on
[06:45] <dr_willis> i dont really find it that aimed at a home user. :P  its just a very polished over all disrto. that is good for a home user. :P
[06:45] <fazer> Bw
[06:45] <fazer> *btw
[06:45] <fazer> if I install something from that .deb
[06:45] <kingsley> Do laser printers last longer than ink jets?
[06:45] <fazer> later on, can I delete that .deb ?
[06:46] <dr_willis> kingsley,  i got a HP laserjet6l thats over 9 yrs old.
[06:46] <fazer> Do I need that .deb after wards?
[06:46] <dr_willis> kingsley,  so i would say yes. :P
[06:46] <dr_willis> kingsley,  a GOOD one will at least.
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> well gnukemist's suggestion isnt working
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> I suppose Ill just talk to him tommorow, as Ive already spent close to three hours on this and Im tired...
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> well
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> goodnight all!
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> and thank you all for your help
[06:47] <fazer> Hello?
[06:47] <dr_willis> Hello fazer
[06:47] <fazer> dr_willis, hi =)
[06:47] <kingsley> dr_willis: Does HP laserjet6l print in color?
[06:47] <fazer> dr_willis, I had a qustion, can I later on delete a .deb after its used?
[06:47] <fazer> dr_willis, but what if I want to delete what i have just installed?
[06:48] <yfir> fazer: you may delete the .deb file after it's been installed, yes. if you want to uninstall it though, you must use apt or synaptic or whatever
[06:48] <cc> hi, any gcc4+qemu users around?
[06:48] <dr_willis> kingsley,  No. :P
[06:48] <fazer> yfir, aah okay, thanks.
[06:48] <kanuha> anyone get the kalendar to work in superkaramba?
[06:49] <fazer> yfir, how about when I compile something from souce and later on deleted the folder ?
[06:49] <dr_willis> kingsley,  9 yrs ago. they dident have color lasers taht a normal person could afford.. heck any color printer was high doller.
[06:49] <kanuha> I've gone throught the faqs and the font still does not show.
[06:49] <dr_willis> fazer,  once its installed the source/deb isent needed.
[06:49] <[Xaero] > Kingsley: most HP and Xerox lazerprinters will hold up
[06:49] <fazer> dr_willis, how about if I need to remove an application that was compiled from source/deb?
[06:49] <dr_willis> fazer,  THEN you are on your own. :P
[06:50] <dr_willis> compiled from source - a 'make uninstall' MAY remove it.. it may not..
[06:50] <dr_willis> deb - use the package manager tools
[06:50] <fazer> dr_willis, woah!
[06:50] <fazer> dr_willis, I deleted some .debs that I used earlire, you are saying I can no longer remove them?
[06:50] <fazer> (the applications that were used)
[06:51] <dr_willis> fazer,  No...
[06:51] <yfir> fazer: no, that's not what he's saying
[06:51] <MMond> Okay . . . sorry, but can't exactly point out where and when he said . . . but it was about 2 weeks ago or so . . . when he was trying to help me solve my acpi problems . . . I can probably find it if I try a little bit hard, but . . . this is Friday
[06:51] <fazer> oh...
[06:51] <fazer> you mean only for source?
[06:51] <dr_willis> for .debs you want to use the package manager.. YOU lumped "source with .debs" - wich are 2 vastly different things. :P
[06:51] <kingsley> [Xaero] : Ah...hA! I wonder if I can find an HP or Xerox color laser printer that's supported by gimp-print and ghostscript...
[06:51] <dr_willis> kingsley,  check the cups.org site for how well they support stuff.
[06:51] <[Xaero] > Kingsley: Thats what google is for!
[06:52] <fazer> dr_willis, Ah, sorry.  Okay, so I compiled ndiswrapper from source.  Later on, I deleted the source (the folder) will that do anything to ndiswrapper?
[06:53] <dr_willis> fazer,  nope
[06:53] <yfir> MMond: Ubuntu is polished, and that means that many things are set up by the distributor. perhaps that is what your friends don't like about it
[06:53] <dr_willis> shouldent at least.
[06:53] <kingsley> dr_willis: Do you use cups?
[06:53] <elcu> fazer: you won't be able to uninstall it though because you have deleted the makefile.
[06:53] <dr_willis> kingsley,  mosts all disrtos use cups as their main printing system.
[06:54] <fazer> elcu, ah, nuts
[06:54] <fazer> damn
[06:54] <fazer> so I shouldn't have extracted the ndiswrapper source onto my desktop =/
[06:54] <elcu> fazer: which is why you should gor for debs. :)
[06:54] <dr_willis> not sure how cups relates to gimp-print and ghostscript.. but I think they all inter-connect some how in  some cases.
[06:54] <fazer> elcu, I had no choice for ndiswrapper thouhg.
[06:55] <[Xaero] > I'm having some problems with my apt-get...or I'm missing something
[06:55] <elcu> fazer: you could try d'loading the source again to the same place and do an install/uninstall.
[06:56] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : what's that
[06:57] <[Xaero] > I've gone though and edited the sources.list, but when I do 'sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla'
[06:57] <[Xaero] > i end up getting 'E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla'
[06:57] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : don't you try 'sudo apt-get update'?
[06:57] <beggar> [Xaero] , #sudo apt-get update"
[06:57] <beggar> oh..ok
[06:58] <beggar> lol
[06:58] <chaitatp> beggar: ^&^ ... i love you
[06:58] <[Xaero] > yeah, ive updated
[06:58] <kingsley> [Xaero] : Does "apt-cache search man" work?
[06:58] <beggar> love you too
[06:59] <[Xaero] > no results
[06:59] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  can u e-mail me your '/etc/apt/sources.list'?
[06:59] <kanuha> anyone know how to get quake3 to work with sound?
[06:59] <[Xaero] > yeah, sure
[06:59] <chaitatp> [Xaero]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:00] <kingsley> [Xaero] : If so, and if sources.list points to a flashplayer-mozilla package, "apt-cache search flashplayer-mozilla" should report it. Otherwise, either sources.list doesn't point to the package or you haven't done "apt-get update".
[07:00] <yfir> kanuha: try turning off esd
[07:00] <kanuha> how do I do that?
[07:01] <yfir> kanuha: type 'ps aux | grep esd' and then kill anything listed
[07:01] <kanuha> I tried esdctl stop
[07:01] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: sent
[07:02] <chaitatp> yfir: sort of sound problem in ubuntu?
[07:02] <chaitatp> yfir: like in debian?
[07:02] <[Xaero] > I was have problems with "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main"
[07:02] <chaitatp> yfir: that, i think, only one process can own the speacker
[07:02] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : got it
[07:02] <[Xaero] > got errors connecting to any of those on that domain
[07:02] <yfir> chaitatp: yes, exactly
[07:03] <kanuha> ok, this is what I get ,  eddie    18180  0.0  0.0   2904   712 pts/2    R+   01:02   0:00 grep esd
[07:03] <kanuha> how do I kill it
[07:03] <RustyShacklefor1> Apparently, I can't edit a file because i'm not the owner.  How do I get to be the owner?
[07:04] <tga> RustyShacklefor1: what are you trying to edit?
[07:04] <RustyShacklefor1> xorg.conf
[07:04] <Dreamer3_> 0 updates for hoary still
[07:04] <Dreamer3_> is nothing broken? :)
[07:04] <tga> RustyShacklefor1: you have to be root. `sudo su` or `sudo $EDITOR xorg.conf`
[07:04] <yfir> kanuha: try again. open a terminal, type 'ps aux | grep esd' then post the result in #flood
[07:04] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  your file is fine
[07:04] <Dreamer3_> tga: or sudo -s ;-)
[07:04] <yfir> you are looking for the process number for esd
[07:05] <[Xaero] > Chaitatp: thats good
[07:05] <Dreamer3_> yfir: how not killall esd?
[07:05] <yfir> Dreamer3_: yes, but i'm trying to teach him how to find and kill processes :)
[07:05] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  try mine.  i have sent it you you via e-mail
[07:05] <senator32> how do i make my local user have equivilant access to the root user, aka so i can make sb4k work
[07:06] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: got it
[07:06] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  'apt-get update' again with that file
[07:06] <kanuha> done
[07:06] <Agrajag> senator32: use sudo
[07:06] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  and hope for the good thing to come :D
[07:06] <senator32> how
[07:06] <Dreamer3_> yfir: hmmmm, ok :)  if you think that's best ;-)
[07:06] <Agrajag> senator32: sudo <command>
[07:06] <senator32> will that work for applications like samba4k
[07:06] <Agrajag> I have no idea what that is
[07:07] <senator32> its a samba client that mounts windows shares
[07:07] <kanuha> yfir, I posted it in #flood
[07:07] <Agrajag> ok, why would it not work?
[07:07] <senator32> the mount always says i have insefficiant priviliages to mount
[07:07] <yfir> kanuha: yes, same as before. not sure i understand the output though
[07:07] <senator32> it works in root though
[07:08] <kanuha> let me paste it again
[07:08] <rykel> hi all, i am from singapore, and i simply love ubuntu!   =)
[07:08] <yfir> kanuha: haha, looks like esd isnt' even running
[07:08] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: as soon as I get my permissions straitened out. im so used to windows where it doesnt really matter
[07:08] <farruinn> has anyone burned an i386 install cd from os x?
[07:09] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  and that's why there are full of virus in win32 :D
[07:09] <yfir> kanuha: sorry, doesn't help you play quake. but often sound problems are due to esd.
[07:09] <kanuha> yfir, I also tried the other idea in the faq, quake3 +set s_initsound 0
[07:09] <kanuha> still did not work
[07:10] <yfir> kanuha: ok. sorry, i don't know anything about playing quake itself. you''ll have to ask someone else about that
[07:10] <kanuha> yfir, let me post the error I get about sound when I start Quake3 and see if that helps.
[07:11] <yfir> kanuha: ok, worth a shot
[07:11] <farruinn> I think it should be possible to burn an i386 .iso from os x, but firestarter fx isn't working with it.
[07:12] <kanuha> yfir, it is in #flood
[07:12] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: you seem to have a few more sources than I do
[07:13] <elcu> Any Zsnes users?  I'm having poor performance when I use an OGL video mode.  The terminal says that Zsnes is forcing 16bpp from my default of 32.  Any way of fixing this?
[07:13] <farruinn> heh, only 1/10 the number of ppc seeders than i386, that's amusing
[07:13] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : can you update and install those s/w with mine?
[07:14] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: I updated, still not found
[07:15] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  can you install other s/w?
[07:15] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: I was earlier
[07:15] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  like cvs, i mean
[07:16] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: java, cd burner, been mostly trying stuff of the quick guide
[07:16] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  you mean you can install any s/w but flashsomethingmozilla?
[07:16] <yfir> kanuha: not sure. try making sure you are part of the 'audio' group. looks like quake is running into permission problems
[07:16] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: there are also a few others I cant find
[07:16] <yfir> kanuha: not sure exactly what's happening though
[07:16] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/Release  Unable to find expected entry
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  umm
[07:17] <yfir> kanuha: but i guess, if you have other sounds you already are audio group...
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  sudo apt-get update
[07:18] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  for that ftp.nerim.net
[07:19] <kanuha> yfir, I googled on the error that I got and I am reading up on a fix action. Hope it works, Thanks for your help.
[07:19] <yfir> kanuha: or lack of help :) hope you figure it out
[07:20] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: I had tried that before, and did it again, now I am getting:
[07:20] <[Xaero] > W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:20] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  sorry, i dunno T_T
[07:21] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: thanks anyway
[07:24] <don_> For some reason my mouse on my laptop stays on (even if the switch is off) after the first power off then power on of the mouse switch
[07:26] <elcu> anyone create pdf documents a lot?  i'm looking for a way to create compact pdf files.  i've tried scribus, but found it a little fiddly.  is using latex the only other alternative?
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[07:29] <jirwin> hello
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> Do any of you use the Open Office 2.0 beta?
[07:29] <evilmegaman> does anyone use the fglrx drivers?
[07:29] <fazer> How do yu set the default browser?
[07:29] <fazer> I just love Opera
[07:29] <jirwin> system preferences
[07:29] <elcu> evilmegaman: i do.  what's the problem?
[07:30] <evilmegaman> I need an example. Because I am trying to setup my xorg.conf
[07:30] <jirwin> anyone have any idea why when I try to install hoary, it hangs on configuring apt?
[07:30] <elcu> I'm on Warty so I'm using XFree, but I could still show you mine.  They're basically the same.
[07:31] <kingsley> Why would one color stop printing, even after trying two new ink cartridges?
[07:31] <evilmegaman> so if you can, elcu, can you paste your graphics card driver part here?
[07:31] <duken> jirwin: cannot make bootstraps ?
[07:31] <thechitowncubs> Do I need to uninstall open office 1.1.3 before installing 2
[07:31] <evilmegaman> it's ok elcu :) that will work
[07:31] <kingsley> Why would one color stop printing, even after trying two new ink cartridges?
[07:31] <jirwin> duken: i am not sure
[07:31] <elcu> Section "Device"
[07:31] <elcu>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (RV350 AP)"
[07:31] <elcu>         Driver          "fglrx"
[07:31] <elcu>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[07:31] <elcu> EndSection
[07:31] <evilmegaman> Thanks :)
[07:32] <jirwin> it formats the drive, puts the base system on, and hangs when it trys to configure apt
[07:32] <jirwin> at the exact same spot
[07:32] <evilmegaman> hmm exactly the same as mine. But what if I want to run windows games will that setup work?
[07:32] <evilmegaman> (with cedega)
[07:32] <duken> jirwin: see the log on console 3 ( alt + F3)
[07:32] <jirwin> during the install?
[07:33] <vincent> Hi all :)
[07:33] <elcu> I haven't tried Cedega.  Are games not running?
[07:33] <vincent> Anybody get gdesklets working properly in Hoary?
[07:33] <evilmegaman> I have no clue. I guess I might as well try to play one :)
[07:34] <vincent> I can't get it to do anything, either from synaptic or compiled from source;
[07:34] <vincent> i tell it to load a desklet (doesn't matter which one) and it does nothing
[07:34] <vincent> according to the output in the terminal, it's doing SOMETHING, but it just hangs
[07:34] <duken> jirwin: yes
[07:35] <vincent> (installed the latest available to the Universe and the latest on gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org)
[07:35] <jirwin> one sec
[07:35] <Burgundavia> vincent, I think gdesklets is borked in hoary. I think there was an upstream change that broke backwards compatibility
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> gdesklets works
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> im using it now
[07:36] <vincent> Burgundavia: Shite.  Guess I have to wait for an update.
[07:36] <vincent> thechitowncubs: Oh.
[07:36] <vincent> thechitowncubs: How'd you get it working?
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> some displays don't work, most do
[07:37] <Burgundavia> some work and some don't, that is the gist of what I said
[07:37] <vincent> thechitowncubs: Yeah, I tried that, and it didn't work, no matter the desklet I tried; so I compiled from source, and it still no worky
[07:37] <elcu> thechitowncubs: noob question: how do you actually use them?  i tried running it from the applications menu, but it just seems to quit.
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> "gdesklets &"
[07:38] <vincent> i'll try it
[07:39] <nickrud> has desklets ever worked for anyone?
[07:39] <vincent> Still nothing.  What does the "&" mean?
[07:39] <ironwolf> anyone having problems copying large files on an external firewire drive? linux1394 says to set serialize_io=0, and I've done that, same results.
[07:39] <Burgundavia> vincent, means run in the background
[07:40] <vincent> Burgundavia: Oh.  Thanks.  Still learning commands.
[07:40] <Burgundavia> vincent, np
[07:40] <Burgundavia> vincent, very useful
[07:40] <vincent> Burgundavia: So, this probably means I'll have to wait for an update, ne?
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> it should work
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> are you using hoary?
[07:40] <vincent> Yep.
[07:41] <Burgundavia> vincent, there are going to be no updates for hoary except security
[07:41] <senator32> i cant seem to ever log into my root acount, i made the password the in install, but when i goto log in i do the username as root and the password as the root password i set and i still cant log in
[07:41] <vincent> According to the forums, people had gdesklets working in Warty and upgraded to Hoary and it broke
[07:41] <linux_galore> looks like VIA has added another graphics card with 3D support in the driver for Linux
[07:41] <ironwolf> senator32: sudo
[07:41] <Burgundavia> senator32, the passwod you made in the install is your username, unless ou choose custom install
[07:41] <vincent> thechitowncubs: And after some searching, couldn't find if anybody got it to work in Hoary
[07:42] <vincent> thechitowncubs: so I figured I'd ask in here.
[07:42] <senator32> yea but sudo doesn't help me run programs that need root permissions aka samba4k
[07:42] <nickrud> senator: sudo passwd
[07:42] <nickrud> the login as root
[07:42] <senator32> i cant
[07:42] <senator32> username for root in this distro is just root not /root correct
[07:43] <vincent> Burgundavia: Yeah, I figured as much--I should've specified, upgrades to Breezy
[07:43] <smouche> opening a root terminal wouldn't do it?
[07:43] <vincent> Burgundavia: thanks again though.  Catch you later
[07:43] <chaitatp> how can i add more fonts into xchat 2.4.1
[07:43] <linux_galore> thought samba4k was a konqueror add on
[07:43] <senator32> naw
[07:43] <vincent> thechitowncubs: thanks for your help, I'll try some more desklets, but prolly have to wait for an upgrade
[07:43] <senator32> yes it is but it wants to mount
[07:43] <vincent> g'bye all :)
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> vincent: no problem
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> later
[07:43] <jirwin> senator32, sudo should work fine for root access
[07:44] <senator32> k ill try again
[07:44] <senator32> i just wanted to log in as root
[07:44] <holycow> rofl!!!!!
[07:44] <nickrud> senator: if all you want is a root shell, try sudo -s
[07:45] <holycow> i bought an amd64 and asus a8v mobo .... so i'm booting it up, and the speakers go 'no keyboard detected'
[07:45] <senator32> k
[07:45] <senator32> thx
[07:45] <linux_galore> senator32: install swat then just go sudo swat
[07:45] <holycow> hahaha, they put voice instructions in the bios!!!!
[07:45] <holycow> wow
[07:45] <jirwin> holycow, that is crazy
[07:45] <saik0> haha what
[07:45] <linux_galore> swat = makes samba easy
[07:46] <verden01> holycow: ihave an abit av8 m/b
[07:46] <holycow> do they do the same?
[07:47] <verden01> no kubuntu installed perfectly for me on my AMD64
[07:47] <linux_galore> holycow: hmm av8 works in Linux I installed suse 9.2 on one recently.....try using a PS2 keyboard
[07:47] <runt> does anyone know how to get X.org to change resolutions when the config file says it should be able to?
[07:47] <chaitatp> thanks
[07:48] <neighborlee> runt, thats under: system > prefs > screen resolution
[07:48] <chaitatp> just tell me to use 'slash charset'
[07:48] <jirwin> duke|ib, you around?
[07:48] <runt> tried that, only lets me choose 640x480 at 60hz
[07:48] <DR_K13> hey runt
[07:48] <chaitatp> anyway i still dunno how to add more font to xchat
[07:48] <runt> hi DR_K13
[07:48] <jirwin> runt...I had the same problem
[07:48] <holycow> linux_galore, yeah it does, i'm using a ps2 kb through a kvm switch right now infact ... not this box
[07:49] <jirwin> make sure that your xorg.conf has your monitor scan rates in there
[07:49] <neighborlee> runt, gotta be sure your monitor was discovered properly ...and make double sure xorg.conf has all the resoltions you want under the xbit you are using
[07:49] <neighborlee> yup
[07:49] <nickrud> runt, just what model is your monitor?
[07:49] <geneo93> i have kvm here and works great
[07:50] <runt> samsung 955df
[07:50] <linux_galore> runt: need to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file add the resolution you need that matches your "defaultColorDepth"
[07:50] <runt> it doesn't have the horizontal and vertical refresh rates in it
[07:50] <jirwin> runt, that is your problem
[07:50] <jirwin> look them up, and put them in there
[07:50] <Cred> Hello. Does someone have an idea why Firefox crashes when it asks if I want to permit SSL certificate installation?
[07:50] <runt> well, i ran xorgconfig before and when i put those in, xorg wouldn't work
[07:51] <runt> i have them in front of me (actually, i memorized them), but i don't remember the syntax to add them
[07:51] <linux_galore> runt: editing the xorg.conf  file is easy its plain text
[07:51] <DR_K13> lol
[07:51] <runt> i know, i have it open
[07:51] <nickrud> so do a google on samsung 955df HorzSync, you'll probably find a matcing config file
[07:51] <linux_galore> runt: look for this first "DefaultColorDepth"
[07:52] <jirwin> I believe it is "HorizSync, and VertRefresh"
[07:52] <runt> DefaultColorDepth is at 24, right where i want it
[07:52] <linux_galore> runt: read the number
[07:52] <nickrud> jirwin: thanks
[07:52] <linux_galore> runt: in my case its "24"  as in DefaultColorDepth 24
[07:53] <jirwin> under Section "Monitor"
[07:53] <runt> that is what mine says too, and under the config for resolutions for that color depth, it lists the one i want ot use, i just can't choose it :(
[07:53] <linux_galore> runt: now I look for this section
[07:53] <linux_galore> Subsection "Display"
[07:53] <linux_galore>         Depth 24
[07:53] <linux_galore>         Virtual 1280 1024
[07:53] <linux_galore>     EndSubsection
[07:53] <linux_galore> EndSection
[07:53] <linux_galore> runt: as you can see i only have one setting in there
[07:53] <runt> don't have the virtual part
[07:54] <linux_galore> runt: thats because its all I have
[07:54] <jirwin> runt, did you put in the refresh rates?
[07:54] <runt> just did now
[07:54] <runt> be right back, gonna exit x and try again
[07:54] <jirwin> now log out of gnome and press ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:55] <jirwin> oops
[07:55] <linux_galore> runt: ignore virtual because Im on a weird xf86 setup but the thing will be similar
[07:55] <DR_K13> runt will be back
[07:56] <linux_galore> <-- is on CCuX Linux right now
[07:57] <runt> ok, it works now.  how do i enable gdm again though?  i've never used it before and i don't wanna deal with having to type startx all the time in an "easy" linux distro
[07:57] <jirwin> lol
[07:57] <hksdu> Does anybody know that if the current nvidia linux driver supports dual view or multi-monitors?  how do I configure? does it have utility for it?
[07:57] <nickrud> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:57] <runt> ok, thanks again
[07:57] <jirwin> runt, to restart x, you can log out of gnome and press ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:58] <jirwin> bet he didn't see that one again...heh
[07:58] <nickrud> too slow.....
[07:58] <jirwin> i guess to
[07:58] <jirwin> so*
[07:58] <jirwin> i am tired thow
[07:58] <jirwin> though*
[07:58] <jirwin> see
[07:58] <jirwin> night.
[07:58] <nickrud> it's late here, just passing through ...
[07:59] <fazer> hmm, why did my hard drive just shut off
[07:59] <fazer> woops, there it goes again.
[08:01] <hksdu> Does anybody know that if the current nvidia linux driver supports dual view or multi-monitors? how do I configure? does it have utility for it?
[08:02] <evilmegaman> Hi, why doesn't sound work in any of my games but it does in gnome and other programs?
[08:02] <eEye> killall esd
[08:02] <geneo93> read the doc at nvidia site
[08:02] <evilmegaman> eEye is that directed at me?
[08:02] <eEye> yeah
[08:02] <evilmegaman> oh
[08:03] <evilmegaman> What will that do exactly?
[08:03] <eEye> Turn off the sound server of gnome
[08:03] <Burgundavia> evilmegaman, that kills the sound server, as the games don't know it is there and try to access /dev/dsp directly
[08:03] <Burgundavia> the sound server allows, say flash and totem to both play sounds at the same time
[08:03] <evilmegaman> oh ok :) then how do I turn it back on?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> esd &
[08:04] <evilmegaman> ok thanks :)
[08:04] <hksdu> geneo93: thanks
[08:04] <Burgundavia> evilmegaman, np
[08:04] <evilmegaman> thanks that worked :)
[08:05] <eEye> anyone got work xchat-systray&
[08:05] <geneo93> whats the default media player for kde system sounds
[08:06] <nickrud> kde sounds -> arts
[08:06] <fazer> anyone here a thinkpad 600e user?
[08:07] <geneo93> nickrud:  why wont it play ogg sounds
[08:07] <nickrud> don't have a clue anymore :) maybe ask on #kubuntu
[08:08] <geneo93> i dont have kubuntu
[08:08] <benh> stuffed a home made ppc64 kernel with the latest initrd
[08:08] <benh> it installed like a charm on this iMac G5, and even X works out of the box (nvidia)
[08:08] <benh> in general things "just work"
[08:08] <nickrud> then what program you're using needs kde sounds
[08:09] <geneo93> benh:  dont the g5's have some special cooling thing
[08:09] <geneo93> kde i have both gnome and kde
[08:10] <benh> geneo93: which one ?
[08:10] <benh> the iMac G5 ? yes, I'm working on a driver