[00:02] <elfy> slickymaster jjfrv8 - fix landed for that 32 vbox issue, hopefully we'll see that in tomorrow's daily
[00:05] <jjfrv8> cool. might have time to give it a spin before I head out into the snow.
[02:49] <Unit193> andrzejr: Your libpulseaudio_plugin_la_LIBADD seems to be missing -lm ?
[08:42] <Unit193> evince (3.14.1-0ubuntu4) was uploaded, fixing LP: #1422354
[08:44] <brainvvash> Unit193, according to the last bug comment, it does not fix the issue
[08:45] <Unit193> Hah, so it doesn't. :D
[08:46] <brainvvash> I've only tested my patch, and it worked
[08:58] <brainvvash> Unit193, can you find any packaging error?
[08:59] <brainvvash> or maybe upload a version with my patch to some ppa
[09:13] <ochosi> Unit193: andrzejr is away for the next two weeks, so...
[09:13] <ochosi> and yeah, evince is still broken
[09:15] <brainvvash> ochosi, did you test the patch?
[12:37] <ochosi> brainvvash/brainwash: ofc, i've built the upstream 3.14.1 though
[12:37] <ochosi> with that it does work
[12:37] <ochosi> applied the other window-border patch that ubuntu is carrying and my patch
[12:38] <ochosi> so not really sure why it wouldn't work in ubuntu
[12:38] <ochosi> if you have time to test it with the ubuntu version, that'd be great
[12:40] <brainvvash> with the ubuntu version? isn't that basically the new package release?
[12:41] <ochosi> well, take the previous version, apply the patch by hand, rebuild the package and try that
[12:41] <ochosi> then we'd know it's some sort of packaging problem
[12:47] <brainvvash> ochosi, packaging problem, the patch was not added to debian/series
[12:47]  * ochosi facepalms
[12:47] <ochosi> ok, i guess we either report a new bug or reopen this one and assign it to Laney
[12:48] <ochosi> i'll be away from tomorrow till thu, so the earliest i can follow up on this is friday
[12:48] <brainvvash> new bug I guess
[12:48] <ochosi> ideally just ping him in #u-desktop about it
[12:48] <brainvvash> I was about to say that you should ping him (now)
[12:48] <brainvvash> :D
[12:49] <ochosi> well he's not around now
[12:49] <ochosi> but i can do that when we have the new bugreport
[12:51] <brainvvash> maybe someone else can fix it, well, every ubuntu dev should be able to
[12:56] <ochosi> nah, let's just stick to Laney
[12:56] <brainvvash> ok
[12:56] <ochosi> he's a nice guy and quite helpful
[12:57] <ochosi> also, he's the one who messed up ;)
[12:59] <brainvvash> bug 1424180
[13:02] <ochosi> ok, i consider that taken care of, sort of
[13:02] <ochosi> in -0ubuntu5
[13:03] <brainvvash> yep
[13:09] <ochosi> brainvvash: i vaguely remember UBUNTU_MENUPROXY not being set anymore, any recollection of that?
[13:10] <ochosi> (at least here in vivid it doesn't seem to be set anyway)
[13:10] <ochosi> my conclusion would be that all these bugs are basically fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/1347272
[13:11] <ochosi> since that was the troublemaker (according to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-volumed/+bug/1314782)
[13:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: any idea about this ^ ?
[13:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: as far I know, those were all fixed
[13:12] <brainvvash> UBUNTU_MENUPROX fixed in trusty + utopic
[13:12] <brainvvash> bug 1307657
[13:12] <ochosi> k
[13:12] <ochosi> in that case we should just mark that whole damn thing fixed with a reference to that SRU
[13:13] <ochosi> brainvvash: care to do the honours? ^
[13:13] <bluesabre> xfce apps were patched to fix it, and unity-gtk-module was patched for good measure
[13:13] <brainvvash> what about the upstream reports?
[13:13] <ochosi> i'll close those i guess
[13:13] <ochosi> although i guess finding a commit for each of those would be nice...
[13:14] <brainvvash> there are also other gtk modules like the unity scrollbars which could trigger the bug
[13:15] <brainvvash> it should be fixed in appfinder, because it was ported to gdbus and somehow (or because of that) does not trigger the bug anymore
[13:15] <brainvvash> let me try to find some comment
[13:16] <brainvvash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-appfinder/+bug/1048805/comments/15
[13:16] <ochosi> yeah, the commit for porting to gdbus is this one: 4a065a10945c72c985e254ff1ef13df188f3e11e
[13:16] <brainvvash> comment 15
[13:17] <brainvvash> so it's resolved unless proven otherwise
[13:17] <brainvvash> was there even a new appfinder release after that git commit?
[13:17] <ochosi> yes
[13:17] <brainvvash> ok
[13:17] <ochosi> 4.11.0
[13:18] <ochosi> ok, next up thunar
[13:20] <brainvvash> was thunar even affected or just added to the list, because it creates a daemon process too?
[13:20] <ochosi> i don't know tbh
[13:21] <brainvvash> I'd think that thunar uses gdbus too
[13:22] <ochosi> it definitely sets up the daemon mode after init
[13:23] <ochosi> so i'll mark this as invalid
[13:23] <brainvvash> ok
[13:30] <jjfrv8> elfy, the good news is we've gained the try/install buttons; the bad news, we've lost the restart button at the end of an install :(
[13:32] <jjfrv8> that's for the 32-bit. haven't had a chance to try the 64 and probably won't until later today.
[13:36] <jjfrv8> bbl
[13:38] <brainvvash> ochosi, what about https://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/xfce4-volumed-pulse/fork-before-gtk-init ?
[13:38] <brainvvash> can anyone merge that?
[13:38] <brainvvash> bluesabre, ^ :D
[13:39] <bluesabre> >.>
[13:40] <bluesabre> yes, will do that this morning
[13:40] <brainvvash> thanks
[13:41] <brainvvash> there is also another pending patch bug 1326733
[13:41] <brainvvash> but maybe it's a won't fix, dunno
[13:42] <bluesabre> yeah, that sounds undesirable
[13:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess none of us has pushrights to volumed-pulse
[13:43] <ochosi> so we can prolly only add it as a patch to the package, right?
[13:43] <brainvvash> oh ochosi, you've already marked volumed-pulse as fixed, before even fixing it :D
[13:43] <ochosi> ideally this should just be merged into upstream and made a build-option
[13:44] <ochosi> brainvvash: it's fixed via UBUNTU_MENUPROXY
[13:44] <ochosi> so whatever
[13:44] <ochosi> that bugreport was just not useful anyway, far too big
[13:45] <brainvvash> yea, especially because every package was also nominated for SRU -> additional clutter
[13:45] <ochosi> if the pulseaudio plugin progresses a little more, we might just replace volumed-pulse with it
[13:45] <ochosi> (well, and indicator-sound)
[13:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: get it to mostly feature parity :)
[13:49] <ochosi> i guess if we could motivate matias to join in, that wouldn't be too hard
[13:49] <ochosi> he has already written much of the mpris stuff
[13:49] <ochosi> it's in the soundmenu plugin
[13:50] <ochosi> bbabl
[13:53] <bluesabre> seeya
[16:10] <elfy> jjfrv8: mmm - the text is bit mixed up, but I can see the line to press enter in both 32 and 64bit
[16:46] <slickymaster> thanks for the heads up on the 32 bit images, e
[16:46] <slickymaster> elfy even
[16:46] <slickymaster> I'll try some tests next Monday
[16:46] <elfy> cheers :)
[17:01] <slickymaster> elfy. knome, yeah, we should set some time aside to look at/finish the slideshow
[17:02] <slickymaster> but not a three way as knome's suggestion :P
[17:02] <slickymaster> way many surreptitious readings on that
[17:04] <elfy> slickymaster: :)
[17:04] <bluesabre> knome only meant one
[17:04] <bluesabre> and we know which one
[17:04] <elfy> lol
[17:04] <bluesabre> and its not appropriate for this channel
[17:04] <bluesabre> :P
[17:04] <elfy> ha
[17:05] <elfy> slickymaster: basically we'd need to get a suitable poll set that we can run for a cycle - then make sure necessary is on a link
[17:06] <elfy> also - bluesabre slickymaster and Unit193 got mail re the QA thing
[17:06] <elfy> and everyone (incvluding knome ) can comment there - just still XPL and QA lead can edit
[17:07] <bluesabre> elfy: got it
[17:10] <elfy> cool
[17:11] <slickymaster> yeah elfy , saw the mail but haven't saw the soreadsheet yet
[17:11] <slickymaster> spreadsheet even
[17:11] <elfy> and obviously it's always going to be a wip
[17:15] <slickymaster> that's just images status, in the spreadsheet, right?
[17:16] <elfy> slickymaster: just straight count
[17:17] <slickymaster> I'm assuming that those values are pulled directly out of the tracker
[17:17] <slickymaster> or am I wrong?
[17:19] <slickymaster> elfy, those stats are somewhat different from the ones in the tracker
[17:19] <slickymaster> from the tracker: Vivid Daily (Testing): slickymaster: 33
[17:20] <slickymaster> nevermind; i saw now that you one add values until January 31st
[17:20] <elfy> :)
[18:10] <Unit193> Got it too, yep.
[18:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: should we do a release/upload of x-d-s at some point soonish?
[18:55] <ochosi> there are still some unreleased fixes iirc
[18:55] <Unit193> There are, I done did them.
[19:01] <bluesabre> oh
[19:02]  * bluesabre takes a look
[19:03] <ochosi> also, this one is a wontfix imo
[19:03] <ochosi> unless it's also changed upstream
[19:03] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1301056
[19:03] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre ^
[19:03] <elfy> Unit193: ack that
[19:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'd agree, thats a wontfix
[19:05] <bluesabre> bug I'm not a bug admin
[19:05] <ochosi> useless string change, breaks translations, useless delta
[19:05] <bluesabre> anything else you guys want in -default-settings before I push?
[19:05] <ochosi> elfy: you can haz bug-admin?
[19:05] <Unit193> Discussed that one a couple days ago.
[19:06] <elfy> ochosi: can I?
[19:06] <ochosi> yeah, that's the question
[19:06] <ochosi> if you can, please mark the above linked bugreport as wontfix ;)
[19:07] <elfy> oic - no I can't - not got bug-admin
[19:07] <ochosi> hm, anyone in team?
[19:07] <elfy> slickymaster I think for one
[19:08] <bluesabre> brainvvash, knome, I think
[19:08] <brainvvash> negative
[19:08] <elfy> odd
[19:08] <elfy> I Can mark as Opinion
[19:09] <bluesabre> same, but can't kill it
[19:09] <brainvvash> mark as invalid :>
[19:11] <elfy> yea - but probably best not to wildly change status :)
[19:11] <brainvvash> bluesabre, and bug 1033174 ?
[19:12] <brainvvash> this was added upstream "Add <Ctrl><Alt>l shortcut for screen locking (xflock4)"
[19:13] <brainvvash> currently we only have <super>l in xubuntu I think
[19:13] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+Del, to confuse all those windows users.
[19:14] <elfy> :p
[19:14] <ochosi> hehe
[19:14] <bluesabre> makes it easy to remember though
[19:15] <bluesabre> "I remember how to lock my xubuntu pc!"
[19:15] <ochosi> not sure we need yet another shortcut tbh, it's easy enough for ppl to configure their own
[19:15] <bluesabre> "oh... oh no... the screen is black"
[19:16] <brainvvash> we have <ctrl><alt>t AND <super>t for xfce4-terminal
[19:16] <elfy> isn't that the lock shortcut anyway?
[19:16] <ochosi> if you others agree it's worthwile, i don't care enough to oppose
[19:16] <brainvvash> I just want to close the report :)
[19:16] <brainvvash> no need to keep it open any longer
[19:16] <bluesabre> ctrl+alt+del is the lock shortcut
[19:17] <bluesabre> that bug report wants it to be shutdown menu
[19:17] <elfy> bluesabre: mmm not here in this brand new install it isn't
[19:17] <bluesabre> let's not change a shortcut we've used for years :D
[19:17] <bluesabre> orly
[19:17] <elfy> and I've not had time to break that
[19:18] <brainvvash> what does it do?
[19:18] <elfy> hang on
[19:18] <elfy> xfloc4 - shortcuts, ctrl+alt+del and also ctrl+alt+l
[19:19] <brainvvash> bluesabre, the thing is, if you can use <Ctrl><Alt>l in default Xfce, maybe it should also trigger the lock screen in xubuntu
[19:19] <elfy> sigh
[19:19] <elfy> it does
[19:21] <bluesabre> then we can mark it as fixed with a comment that ctrl-alt-del will not be changed
[19:21] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/aQWV4fc.png
[19:21] <brainvvash> did you start the normal Xfce session?
[19:22] <elfy> apart from anything else - reading make it for Windows users immediately makes me think Wont Fix
[19:22] <elfy> brainvvash: why would I do that - I run Xubuntu
[19:22] <bluesabre> heh
[19:23] <brainvvash> mmh, i have only one shortcut for xflock4
[19:23] <brainvvash> the -del one
[19:23] <elfy> in vivid?
[19:23] <brainvvash> yes
[19:24] <brainvvash> let me start the quest session
[19:24] <bluesabre> just verified in guest session here
[19:24] <elfy> this is a clean clean install from yesterday
[19:25] <elfy> bluesabre: verified both?
[19:25] <bluesabre> yes
[19:25]  * elfy hopes this isn't broken already ...
[19:25] <elfy> oh good :D
[19:25] <bluesabre> L, Del
[19:26] <brainvvash> yeah, ctrl+alt-l and ctrl+alt+del in guest session
[19:26] <elfy> bluesabre: cool :)
[19:26] <brainvvash> wasn't super+l used at some point?
[19:26] <brainvvash> maybe I'm mixing up things
[19:26] <elfy> this position of indicator menu's when panel is at bottom really is a bit of a pain you know
[19:26] <ochosi> what, are you gonna report a bug now that "Super+L" isn't a shortcut for locking?
[19:27] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, unfortunate gtk3 bug :/
[19:27] <brainvvash> i want to close the mentioned one
[19:27] <elfy> brainvvash: this is why I'm glad I sed release/dev on the sources list the day after release :p
[19:27] <ochosi> i guess this will (have to) improve when the panel is gtk3
[19:28] <elfy> brainvvash: doing something now
[19:29] <bluesabre> brainvvash: closed it
[19:29] <brainvvash> bluesabre, thanks
[19:30] <elfy> hah
[19:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: we should really apply for bugsquad...
[19:30] <elfy> biposting :D
[19:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: probably should :)
[19:31]  * elfy won't
[19:31] <elfy> have you seen the stupid wiki's they expect people to read for free ...
[19:32] <elfy> here you are - 10k words - easy :p
[19:32] <ochosi> :/
[19:32] <ochosi> we have to ask knome how he did it
[19:32] <ochosi> prolly pulled some strings ;)
[19:33] <bluesabre> elfy: sounds like some xfce bugs
[19:33] <elfy> changed the wiki so it was only 10k words probably :D
[19:33] <elfy> bluesabre: :)
[19:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: whenever you release x-d-s, please mark this one as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1396804
[19:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: too slow!
[19:55] <bluesabre> oh wait
[19:56] <bluesabre> yup
[19:56] <bluesabre> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/debian/changelog
[19:56] <ochosi> k, fix released then ;)
[19:56] <bluesabre> oh wait
[19:56] <bluesabre> you don't read those
[19:56] <bluesabre> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/debian/changelog#L9
[19:56] <bluesabre> theres the exact line
[19:56] <bluesabre> :P
[19:56] <elfy> I see file manager and also a command from where I've pkexec'd in al;t+f2
[19:56] <elfy> but you already know that's fixed ...
[19:57] <bluesabre> I just now uploaded x-d-s
[19:57] <bluesabre> so it won't appear for a few hours
[19:57] <bluesabre> (15.04.3)
[19:57] <elfy> bluesabre: I don't see 2 entries here
[19:58] <bluesabre> elfy: you have -staging installed?
[19:59] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings builds daily there, so you'd have the fix already
[19:59] <elfy> bluesabre: oh yea ...
[19:59] <elfy> :)
[20:00] <elfy> bluesabre:  the proposed fix for that 2 thunar's works :D
[20:01] <bluesabre> :D
[20:03] <Unit193> ochosi: And as to your ping.  Welp, that's a bummer but not high priority.
[20:21] <Noskcaj> Is there a ftp version of the xfce archive? I'm trying to port ubuntu-gnome's version watch to xfc
[20:21] <Noskcaj> *xfce
[20:33] <ochosi> Noskcaj: watch xfce?
[20:34] <Noskcaj> lists what versions are in PPA, upstream, ubuntu
[20:34] <Noskcaj> and debian
[20:34] <Noskcaj> Ignore my ftp questions, doesn't matter
[20:47] <Noskcaj> Are there any 4.11 things we don't have yet?
[20:58] <Unit193> mousepad, but not been released yet.
[21:08] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Also, you know there is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[21:08] <Noskcaj> yes, just it doesn't list PPAs and is often slow to update
[21:08] <Noskcaj> I"m giving up on the ppa_versions thing though. I'm too bad a coding for that
[22:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, can't push to the volumd branch - but can add the patch to the debian package
[22:20] <bluesabre> bbiab
[23:12] <bluesabre> back
[23:14] <Unit193> front
[23:17] <bluesabre> D:


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[07:24] <thorwil> morning!
[08:57] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[09:02] <thorwil> morning ubuntujenkins
[09:02] <ubuntujenkins> hey thorwil
[09:04] <thorwil> i wonder why communication regarding the german version with Daniel Schury works so badly
[09:04] <nisshh> thorwil: has anyone noticed that he has asked about it like 3 times now?
[09:05] <thorwil> nisshh: sure. he's aware of that, himself
[09:06] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: kevin and i worked out some more stuff that needs doing last night I am going to send a reply today
[09:07] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: good. be sure to send to both list and his address
[09:07] <ubuntujenkins> will do
[09:20] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: is the word index the same in german and english?
[09:21] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: yes, but depending on context, a synonym can be preferable
[09:22] <ubuntujenkins> in the manual it is index for the title of the index. What would better?
[09:23] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: for the index of terms: Stichwortverzeichnis
[09:24] <ubuntujenkins> wow could there be a longer word? I will change it to that
[09:24] <thorwil> literally keyword-directory
[09:26] <thorwil> yeah, german has a tendency for long and complicated terms
[09:27] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[09:29] <ubuntujenkins> e-mail sent
[09:41] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: title page = Titelblatt (cover or front page would be Titelseite
[09:41] <thorwil> colophon = Kolophon
[09:42] <thorwil> Creative Commons notice = Creative Commons Hinweis
[09:49] <ubuntujenkins> thanks thorwil
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> ubuntu devloper week next month
[13:55] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: which is a better translation ? Creative Commons notice = Creative Commons Hinweis or Creative Commons notice = Creative Commons Notice which has just been sent on the list
[13:57] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: Hinweis. while Creative Commons as a name shouldn't be translated, it's silly to not translate "notice"
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i thought it looks like a few corners are getting cut
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> i will make sure your version is used
[13:59] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: for Colophon, both "Kolophon" and "Schlussschrift" are correct. they are both not exactly widely known terms :)  i like the look and sound of "Kolophon" better
[14:00]  * thorwil -> coffee
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks :)
[18:47] <godbyk-android> The next presentation is titled "On-Demand  Creation of Documents Online"
[18:48] <godbyk-android> Might be a bit relevant.
[18:50] <ubuntujenkins> hey godbyk-android later today/tonight when you have a moment tonight cna you talk me though what I need to do to help the german editon on its way. I need to do some phone calls and bits and bobs now
[18:50] <godbyk-android> Sure thing.
[18:52] <godbyk-android> Also all of these talks are being recorded, so they should be online in a week or two.
[18:53] <thorwil> godbyk-android: does that session handle creation of driver licenses and international passports? :)
[18:55] <godbyk-android> Heh, we'll find out when  it starts
[18:55] <godbyk-android> That might be streaming live
[18:56] <godbyk-android> Try river-valley.tv
[18:56] <thorwil> nah, gotta try to do a little work done :)
[18:57] <thorwil> get, even
[18:59] <godbyk-android> U don't see a live stream anyway. Sorry.
[19:15] <godbyk-android> Aha. These are the pedigree folks.. They use latex to create medical pedigrees.
[19:31] <Z-RAY_> after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstallin
[19:31] <Z-RAY_> g of the program and ffmpeg does not helping.
[19:31] <Z-RAY_> help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!
[19:31] <Z-RAY_> white dots and lines examples:
[19:31] <Z-RAY_> http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png
[19:31] <Z-RAY_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a0
[19:33] <godbyk-android> Hello, Z-RAY_. I'm afraid we can't provide support in this channel. You might try asking in #ubuntu.
[19:35] <vish> godbyk-android: hmm , he just spammed a lot of channels and might have been set on mode -q   :s
[19:35] <vish> well , maybe not here ;p
[19:36] <godbyk-android> vish: Ah. Fun.
[19:38] <Z-RAY_> sorry guys
[19:39] <Z-RAY_> just everything is so silent
[19:39] <Z-RAY_> kde forums - silence, ubuntuforums - silence, kdenlive forums - silence
[19:39] <vish> Z-RAY_: try asking in #ubuntu or maybe posting in the forums will help?
[19:39] <vish> oh!
[19:40] <vish> Z-RAY_: tried #kubuntu?
[19:40] <Z-RAY_> yes
[19:41] <vish> hrm , well , its times like these when it seems like ubuntu sucks :/
[19:41] <vish> Z-RAY_: hehe , if all else fails re-install , not a word we like to see though;p
[19:42] <godbyk-android> Z-RAY_:  If you think it's a bug, you might file a report through launchpad.
[19:42] <Z-RAY_> :(
[19:42] <Z-RAY_> i spent all day to make my video clip
[19:42] <Z-RAY_> worked so hard
[19:42] <Z-RAY_> and now i can't render my project
[19:44] <godbyk-android> That sucks.
[19:44] <vish> Z-RAY_: you really cant expect an answer within one day of posting your questions/problems on forums ;)  ..
[19:45] <Z-RAY_> yeah
[19:45] <vish> sometimes you get replies , sometimes it takes time
[19:45] <godbyk-android> That's true, it does take time to investigate the problem and find a solution.
[19:45] <Z-RAY_> i've posted a bug about LCD backlight problem
[19:45] <Z-RAY_> more than week ago
[19:45] <Z-RAY_> or two weeks
[19:45] <Z-RAY_> i'm updating it everyday
[19:46] <Z-RAY_> but still no answer
[19:46] <Z-RAY_> thats how they "working on ubuntu to make it better"
[19:47] <Z-RAY_> i can't control intensivity of my LCD backlight on my laptop and this is a serious problem, but on ubuntu no one cares of that (looks like)
[19:47] <Z-RAY_> who knows - maybe i'm not right
[19:48] <zkriesse> Z-RAY_: once again, we don't provide support in this channel. please join #ubuntu
[19:48] <zkriesse> and have patience
[19:48] <godbyk-android> It think they care, but some problems are not as easy too did as one might assumes
[19:48] <godbyk-android> assume, rather.
[19:49] <Z-RAY_> i do have patience, my friend
[19:49] <Z-RAY_> (=
[19:49] <Z-RAY_> sorry, if i made you angry, zkriesse
[19:50] <zkriesse> ya didn't make me angry
[19:50] <zkriesse> just trying to help you not get in trouble
[19:50] <godbyk-android> It is also difficult typo did a bug when you (as the programmer) don't experience it yourself.
[19:50] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: agreed
[19:50] <godbyk-android> typo -> to fix
[19:51] <vish> Z-RAY_: also , your problem is too specific for many to have faced or even know about..
[19:52] <vish> (white lines and dots problem)
[19:55] <Z-RAY_> ok..
[19:55] <Z-RAY_> lines and dots problem :D
[19:56] <Z-RAY_> lines and dots problem is very similar to round stars and bicubic bubbles problem
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> Z-RAY_: as you have been quitened on #ubuntu can i suggest you rejoin and ask your question in one line and one use of the send button. Then hopefully the floodbot will not "quiten" you
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> :)
[19:59] <Z-RAY_> i'm not hacker
[19:59] <Z-RAY_> i don't understand what you mean
[20:01] <vish> ubuntujenkins: why you confusing the poor chap .. ;p
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> well you posted your question in six separate posts. the bot then thinks you are a hacker or a filling the channel with to much and makes it so that your posts are not seen. You need to use a different name as far as i know to avoid the bots. You then need to ask something like " I have tried to update MLT to 0.5.6 however......does any one know anything about this? I have examples if anyone wants to see them
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> vish: I am trying to help :P I do tend to sonfuse people more though
[20:03] <vish> ubuntujenkins: i was j/k ;p
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> I know :P
[20:03] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: sonfuse? now i'm confused ;)
[20:03] <vish> daughterfused!
[20:10] <Z-RAY_> jenkins
[20:10] <Z-RAY_> thanks
[20:10] <Z-RAY_> you are right
[20:10] <Z-RAY_> that's how it must work
[20:11] <Z-RAY_> thanx so much for tips
[20:13] <ubuntujenkins>  no problem have fun and good luck finding a fix
[20:13] <Z-RAY_> yeah
[20:13] <Z-RAY_> good luck finding a chicks
[20:14] <Z-RAY_> chix
[20:22] <vish> argh!
[20:22] <ubuntujenkins> what vish?
[20:23] <vish> ubuntujenkins: well , his response didnt seem friendly though we have been patient with him!
[20:27] <Z-RAY_> :(
[20:27] <Z-RAY_> now what?
[20:28] <Z-RAY_> you will make me feel pain?
[20:28] <Z-RAY_> thank you my friends for trying to help!!
[20:28] <Z-RAY_> now it's good?
[20:28] <vish> Z-RAY_: you may not be a native english speaker , but saying things like  " <Z-RAY_> good luck finding a chicks"
[20:28] <vish> is not polite ;)
[20:29] <Z-RAY_> why?
[20:29] <Z-RAY_> dorry - i didn't knew you are gay
[20:29] <Z-RAY_> it's ok
[20:29] <Z-RAY_> don't worry
[20:29] <Z-RAY_> i understand you
[20:29] <vish> lol!
[20:29] <zkriesse> Z-RAY_: One, completely off topic, and two, we're or they are trying to help you.
[20:29] <vish> Z-RAY_: you are one adorable chap aernt you ;)
[20:30] <zkriesse> The saying, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" applies here as well
[20:30] <Z-RAY_> don't feed the hand, that spanks yooou
[20:31] <vish> Z-RAY_: i think we have had enough of you .. you may leave
[20:32] <Z-RAY_> how can you think for all those people? are you god?
[20:32] <vish> jussi: around?
[20:33] <Z-RAY_> nope
[20:33] <Z-RAY_> only you
[20:33] <jussi> vish: no :P
[20:33] <jussi> oh, we have the pleasure of Z-RAY_'s company.
[20:33] <Z-RAY_> now you will call your friends to say collectively that some one human is bad?
[20:34] <Z-RAY_> like you are sinless
[20:34] <Z-RAY_> we all are 50% good and 50% bad
[20:34] <ubuntujenkins> thank you jussi
[20:34]  * pleia2 hugs jussi
[20:35] <jussi> Z-RAY_: please remember to follow the guidelines
[20:35] <ubuntujenkins> we all do i need to sort out getting ops here
[20:35] <vish> yay jussi
[20:35] <ubuntujenkins> I had the command ready to go just needed op for a bot :(
[20:35]  * ubuntujenkins e-mails humphreybc
[20:36] <jussi> I can get it sorted
[20:36] <jussi> but Id rather humphreybc did it
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool if he does not know how to do it i will ping you if thats ok
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> with him here to tell you its ok
[20:40] <jussi> ubuntujenkins: yeah, just get him to name some people
[20:41] <ubuntujenkins> jussi we have ops but none are here atm :(
[20:41] <jussi> ubuntujenkins: then you need more :) (I saw the access list)
[20:43] <vish> ubuntujenkins: did we forget to ping godbyk ..
[20:45] <ubuntujenkins> no i pm'd him
[20:45] <vish> ah, yeah you mentioned :)
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: ping
[22:35] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: hey
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> hey c7p i jsut wanted to ask how the greek edition was going?
[22:36] <c7p> well it's almost finished
[22:37] <c7p> i can't do anything else by myself, so we are waiting kevin for the final arrangements
[22:38] <brandonj> anybody else get a spam email via the mailing list?
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> what are we missing now then?
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> brandonj: such as?
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> not me as far as i can tell
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> wow i am lagging tonight
[22:39] <zkriesse> brandonj: the pretty store thing?
[22:39] <zkriesse> brandonj: yeah i got it
[22:39] <brandonj> yeah, thats the one
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> I had 5 e-mails today, one yesterday and five the day before
[22:40] <brandonj> this one just came in a few minutes ago
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> let me just refresh evolution
[22:42] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: EVOLUTION?!?!?!!??!?! WTF?!?!?! use thunderbird
[22:42] <brandonj> gmail...
[22:42] <zkriesse> lol
[22:42] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: the issues that should deal with are 1) warnings (kevin will ensure that everything is ok) 2)glossary entries reference number (topo fixed it but I don't know if Kevin approved his method)
[22:43] <ubuntujenkins> I have not used thunderbird in a while does it give nice bubbles when you get messages?
[22:43] <zkriesse> well...
[22:43] <zkriesse> thunderbird is more business than play
[22:44] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: I spoke to kevin about warnings I wonder if i can find the logs or if we pm'd for some reason
[22:45] <c7p> "pm'd" ?
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> private message. I think we were talking about something else and then got onto the warnings
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: is there a thunderbird ppa?
[22:47] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: 10.04 'buntu?
[22:47] <zkriesse> if so it's in the software center
[22:47] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: oh yes, but what?
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> as for the spam it hit google mails spam filter i know who that is so i will chat with them i guess their password has been hacked
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> or they gave a website to much info
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: for a more uptodat one
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: i am just waiting for my itnernet to catch up
[22:48] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: ah that should be the most recent available
[22:49] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: don't worry I'll find the logs
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: check out http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> kevin has commented on them all
[22:51] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: do we know how topo fixed the the glossary stuff?
[22:51] <c7p> nice thx
[22:51] <c7p> yes he altered manually some files
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: ping
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> do we know which ones?
[22:54] <c7p> let me check his mail
[22:55] <ubuntujenkins> that way i can check with kevin when i next talk to him
[22:56] <c7p> he changed some .glo and gls files
[22:57] <c7p> i am requesting this files and when I receive them I'll send them to you
[22:57] <ubuntujenkins> thanks c7p I will see what we can do
[22:58] <c7p> btw I think topo finished the job :P
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> hehe
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> yea i just want to look to see what he has done thats all.
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> my only concern is that stuff is auto generated iirc and i don't know how it is effected when building
[23:01] <c7p> yes offcourse this is the way things should go
[23:02] <c7p> have you fixed the Japanese index bug on your system ?
[23:02] <ubuntujenkins> no not yet and a really don't want to have to download the old way. I have a download limit at home
[23:03] <c7p> :/ that sux
[23:03] <c7p> italic numerals are i, ii, iii, iv ... etc ?
[23:03] <ubuntujenkins> brandonj: was that the only spam you were asking about or are there others?
[23:04] <brandonj> ubuntujenkins: no, that was the only one I've gotten
[23:04] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: erm i thought italic was text at a slant
[23:04] <brandonj> roman numerals are i, ii, iii, etc
[23:04] <ubuntujenkins> brandonj: cool, hopefully that will be the first and last of it
[23:04] <c7p> ok
[23:05] <ubuntujenkins> yea thats it roman numerals. brain balnk for amoment
[23:09] <c7p> so we have to locate italic numerals on official Ubuntu Manual (english) and then see if everything looks fine on the Greek one, right ?
[23:12] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: i don't know what an italic numeral is appaerntly they are real. and not a number that is slanted
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: look at error 2 that might be what we need to do to fix the glossary
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> I am googling italic numerals
[23:14] <godbyk-android> Italic numeral us just a slanted numeral.
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> hey godbyk-android
[23:15] <godbyk-android> Edited the glossary files is general nit the best  route as they get regenerated all the time.
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> well that does make sense then
[23:16] <ubuntujenkins> wow our latest team member is Ubuntu Yemen LoCo Team
[23:16] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: cool
[23:17] <zkriesse> hmm
[23:19] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i figured kevin
[23:20] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: all the references have already been checked and the bugs have been submitted :)
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> ok so we have very little left to do. italic numerals and re run xelatex a few times
[23:21] <c7p> oh yes :D
[23:22] <c7p> which is the whole command (:D) ?
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: I can't do it as i still have my bug, cam you run those commands when you have time
[23:25] <zkriesse> hello rickspencer3
[23:27] <c7p> hey topo :P
[23:27] <Guest57355> hey c7p
[23:27] <Guest57355> i just answered to your email
[23:29] <c7p> yap i checked
[23:29] <c7p> it
[23:31] <Guest57355> keep a backup if your going to try yourself :P
[23:32] <c7p> sure :D
[23:34] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: how do you select your url on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ ? e.g (http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo)
[23:35] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: just type what you want it to be and then if it is free it will give you a create pad page
[23:35] <c7p> ok thx
[23:44] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/YknjBKBNG8
[23:45] <ubuntujenkins> wow thats simple :P
[23:45] <ubuntujenkins> I will have ago in the morning
[23:47] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: could you submit for me the ubnntu-manual-el.tex file to the lucid-e1 branch ?
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> i will mail it you I have the one from kevin
[23:48] <c7p> I have many conflicts and i can't deal with it, bazzar doesn't approve experiments on lucid-e1 folder :P
[23:48] <c7p> i have corrected some translations and removed the extra page (actually topo did)
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> sent
[23:50] <c7p> okey thx
[23:53] <c7p> from what i see the page is removed from kevin's tex file
[23:54] <c7p> the files only differ on the colophon where I corrected the translations
[23:55] <ubuntujenkins> coll, just e-mail kevin and i the new one
[23:55] <ubuntujenkins> *cool
[23:55] <c7p> okey
[23:56] <c7p> i have to go to sleep :) it's 2:00 here ... g' night all
[23:56] <c7p> cu tomorrow :)
[23:57] <ubuntujenkins> nigh c7p


[08:01] <gnuoy> jamespage, I'm going to look at switching to using a context for populating the cells.json but given it's a file that contains a json dump I don't see much point in having a normal template. I was just gong into go for a template which contains {{ cells_data }} are you likely to -1 that :)
[08:01] <jamespage> gnuoy, no that's fine
[08:01] <gnuoy> thanks
[09:59] <jamespage> gnuoy, does https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/hacluster/unicast-support/+merge/228658 need a rebase and fixup based on ivoks feedback>
[09:59] <jamespage> ?
[10:00] <gnuoy> jamespage, yes, it needs the fix you suggest but it needs lots of love since the hacluster charm rejig
[10:01] <jamespage> gnuoy, ok marking WIP for now
[10:01] <gnuoy> jamespage, kk
[10:15] <jcastro> kwmonroe, https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/?field.tag=audit
[10:58] <jamespage> niedbalski, hey - what do you think about my sysctl comments on your ceph charm merge-proposals? I think we can make things better by default :-)
[11:00] <rbasak> rick_h_, frankban: do you have a requirement to land the newer juju-quickstart in Utopic? Because none of the FFes have been approved.
[11:00] <rbasak> (yet)
[11:00] <rbasak> And release is coming up real soon now.
[11:42] <rick_h_> rbasak: :( did we do something wrong on the FFE to get them approved?
[11:43] <rick_h_> rbasak: I'm checking what was in it to see if there's anything that breaks, I don't think so but it's just stuff we wanted to get to users.
[11:56] <rbasak> rick_h_: no, just that nobody from the release team have considered them.
[11:56] <rick_h_> rbasak: ok, it's a bit of a sad face thing, but no I don't think there's a requirement
[12:57] <jamespage> dosaboy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/quantum-gateway/+bug/1379324
[12:57] <mup> Bug #1379324: Upgrade stable->next fails <openstack> <upgrade> <quantum-gateway (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379324>
[12:59] <jamespage> gnuoy, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/swift-storage/upgrade-fixes/+merge/237374
[12:59] <jamespage> fixes the swift-storage upgrade
[13:02] <dosaboy> jamespage: think i know what the issue is there
[13:03] <jamespage> dosaboy, awesome
[13:55] <jamespage> coreycb, some comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charms/trusty/cinder/remove-missing/+merge/237439
[13:55] <jamespage> dosaboy, wanna give me a hint so I can fixup that upgrade issue?
[13:56] <jamespage> gnuoy, dosaboy, coreycb: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/swift-storage/upgrade-fixes/+merge/237374
[13:56] <jamespage> needs a review - fixes upgrades from stable->next
[14:00] <dosaboy> jamespage: fixing now
[14:00] <dosaboy> v simple
[14:00] <dosaboy> gimme min
[14:02] <dosaboy> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~hopem/charms/trusty/quantum-gateway/fix-bug-1379324/+merge/237790
[14:03] <dosaboy> jamespage: had a quick scan, seems other charms are ok
[14:10] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks, will change to bool and resubmit.  I used the string T/F to keep in sync with the overwrite option.
[14:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, ah-ha - I have an upgrade bug with neutron-gateway + l2population
[14:12]  * jamespage looks
[14:17] <jamespage> gnuoy, dosaboy: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/quantum-gateway/l2pop-upgrade-break/+merge/237792
[14:17] <jamespage> we must default to off, otherwise upgrades in existing deployments will not work as the l2population driver is never enabled in the nova-cc charm
[14:19] <dosaboy> jamespage: lgtm
[14:42] <dosaboy> jamespage: added new 'backport-potential' tag to charms offical tags
[14:46] <jamespage> dosaboy, awesome
[14:59] <coreycb> jamespage, if that l2pop changes the config file it's gonna break the amulet test
[15:14] <roadmr> hello folks! We're trying to get nested lxc containers working with juju (so juju deploy to a local lxc-backed environment, and my charm also starts an lxc container). But it's not working. We were told we need a couple of settings in the host lxc (i.e. the one that juju creates), but we don't know where to set this. Has anyone gotten nested lxc working while using juju local environment?
[15:27] <jamespage> gnuoy, dosaboy, hey guys - I've seen alot of good merges and reviews from coreycb in ~openstack-charmers - so I'm proposing him for full membership
[15:27] <jamespage> gnuoy, dosaboy: +1 from either of you and I'll add him into the team
[15:28] <gnuoy> jamespage, +1
[15:28] <jamespage> gnuoy, ta - welcome coreycb!
[15:28] <coreycb> w00t!
[15:29] <coreycb> thanks guys :)
[15:29] <jamespage> coreycb, normal rules, get review, test stuff, but you can land changes now as well!
[15:29] <coreycb> jamespage, got it, sounds good
[16:32] <ayr-ton> Someone want to try my charm of zabbix server forked from marcoceppi_? https://manage.jujucharms.com/~ayrton/trusty/zabbix
[16:32] <ayr-ton> I'm passing to some problems to connect it to mysql database. If someone figure out why, I would be very happy (:
[16:36] <ayr-ton> The logs are in tail -f /var/log/zabbix-server/zabbix_server.log
[17:11] <ayr-ton> Fixed. Now I'm getting error 500 from apache2, with no logs in /var/log/apache2 /o\
[20:50] <niedbalski> jamespage, ping ^^ ,  re:sysctl , better defaults? which ones?


 Eickmeyer: lp:artyfx upload in progress to NEW
 Eickmeyer: add64 FAILTOCLONE
 gbp:error: Error creating add64_3.9.3.orig.tar.bz2: Pristine-tar couldn't checkout "add64_3.9.3.orig.tar.bz2": fatal: Path 'add64_3.9.3.orig.tar.bz2.delta' does not exist in 'refs/heads/pristine-tar' … pristine-tar: git show refs/heads/pristine-tar:add64_3.9.3.orig.tar.bz2.delta failed
 i think yo ufailed to push pristine-tar
 or it failed in a bad way
 Eickmeyer: redkite uploaded to NEW
 i'll do more tomorrow.
 and I'll circle back to add64 later as well.
 but i need sleep now, good night.
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: The tarball had the wrong name, I fixed that. Try pulling the pristine-tar branch again, should be fixed.
 that worked.  I just did a clean gbp clone ;P
 running sbuild
 Eickmeyer: add64 in NEW
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> teward: Thanks!
 need you to do some work on bchoppr.  they aren't breaking but i want these fixed. … I: bchoppr source: unused-file-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright paragraph at line 21 … I: bchoppr source: wildcard-matches-nothing-in-dep5-copyright src/Bwidgets/pugl/pugl_osx.m (paragraph at line 21)
 while you're there actually check the copyright file while you're at it and that the copyrights line up
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: I manually create those copyright files, so I guess I didn't know that unused files (stuff for osx) don't need to be included even though the source is there.
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Fixed.
 well either the wildcard doesn't match
 or you fatfingered
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> ...
 you DO need to include it if the source files is tehre but if it's covered by another wildcard it should then work
 that's waht the error indicates
 your wildcards in here don't work :P
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> I removed it....
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> *sigh* I was working on something entirely different right now. Problem is, that affects something like 4 packages (b*) since they were all developed the same way by the same author.
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> SO, the question is, did my fix work or is it bad?
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: ^
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, StevenJayCohen: I'm working on some gsettings-overrides for ubuntustudio-menu that *should* add application folders to GNOME to organize things better there.
 i'll have to check.  work just slammed me with some things
[21:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: which gnome?  ;)  gnome actually had a menu, gnome3 does not really, just a plugin that is not (so far as I know) gnome maintained, but rather a separate project
[21:32] <OvenWerks> *gnome2 actually had a menu
[21:32] <OvenWerks> Anyway, have fun
[21:33] <OvenWerks> just don't braek freedesktop compat.
[21:33] <OvenWerks> gnome is not worth it
[21:33] <OvenWerks> whatever fix you do today will be broken the next release of <whatever>
[22:55] <OvenWerks> gnome make me grumpy, sorry.
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Gnome2 is dead and not in the repos.
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> I'm going with Gnome 3, and using a dconf profile method that has been in use for over 5 years now.
[23:53] <OvenWerks> but one of the new DEs is based in gnome 2, No?
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> Only MATE. I'm not worried about MATE, it technically does respect XDG, but some 3rd party menus (which are in use by default in Ubuntu MATE) do not.
[23:54] <OvenWerks> if we can make the menu work with that, good stuff
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> It does, so long as you use the old, traditional menu.
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> For Gnome 3, though, I had to make some app folders.
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> Luckily, it works. You just can't have folders within folders.
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> It's better than nothing though.
[23:56] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, the file that does the configuration must be maintained separately from the XDG-based studio.menu.
[23:56] <Eickmeyer> Still in the same package since it nothing interferes.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> Of course what else are standards for? but at least it keeps it from getting in the way for other DEs
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> Well, the GNOME developers have said over and over again they're forging their own path on this. It's not a traditional desktop, so throw everything you know about desktops wrt GNOME out the window.
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: If you have a cycle or two, I wouldn't mind you testing this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild/+build/19429834/+files/ubuntustudio-menu_0.42+git-0~202006082338~ubuntu20.04.1_all.deb
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> It should automatically put Ubuntu Studio items into folders.


[16:51] <psusi> could someone who does automatic bug duplication check magic take a look at bug #1281130?  It is the latest in a series of bugs lately with the relevant error line being "grub-installer: cannot find EFI directory."
[16:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1281130 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "Installation crash when installing grub in a real Mac, using MBR, not GUID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1281130
[16:52] <psusi> it looks like there's a bug in Ubiquity in trusty where it doesn't mount the efi system partition when it runs grub-installer, and the automatic install crash reports keep coming in and being assigned to grub-installer


[10:23]  * keesj created two fresh bug reports this morning
[13:27] <keesj> me would like some feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/337665
[13:28] <keesj> is is a bug or just and anoying feature
[15:29] <Keybuk> keesj: it sounds like you're inferring ordering where none exists?
[16:00] <keesj> Well not in the direct rules but clearly I think I defined that the services should be exclusive
[16:01] <Keybuk> there's no such thing as an exclusive service though
[16:01] <keesj> clearly :p
[16:01] <Keybuk> you just defined two services that used each other's events to change their own state
[16:01] <Keybuk> both can be running simultaneously
[16:01] <Keybuk> if the event queue is paused, for example
[16:03] <keesj> My understanding is that whenever service_b is started the service_b starting event is launched and therefore service_c will be stopped
[16:04] <keesj> but there is clearly a difference of interpretation between us
[16:06] <Keybuk> that will happen, yes
[16:08] <keesj> and why isn't service_b waiting for service_a to be stopped (or actlaly why doesn't service_a block the starting of service_b) ?
[16:08] <Keybuk> whuh?
[16:08] <Keybuk> let's break this down
[16:08] <Keybuk> you have:
[16:08] <Keybuk> A stop on starting service_b or starting service_c
[16:09] <Keybuk> this means that A will be stopped should B be starting
[16:09] <Keybuk> OR should C be starting
[16:09] <Keybuk> --
[16:09] <Keybuk> B start on starting service_c
[16:09] <Keybuk> B stop on starting service_a
[16:09] <Keybuk> this means that B will be started should C be starting
[16:09] <Keybuk> and B will be stopped should A be starting
[16:09] <Keybuk> --
[16:09] <Keybuk> C nil
[16:09] <Keybuk> this means that C is under full manual control
[16:15] <sadmac2> Keybuk: where'd you get libnih's string hashing algo?
[16:16] <Keybuk> keesj: so you do
[16:16] <Keybuk> start A
[16:16] <Keybuk> A is thus started
[16:16] <Keybuk> B will be stopped, but is already at stop, so won't go anywhere
[16:16] <Keybuk> start B
[16:16] <Keybuk> B is thus started
[16:17] <Keybuk> A will be stopped, as a result of the "starting B" event
[16:17] <Keybuk> you now have
[16:17] <Keybuk> A - stopping
[16:17] <Keybuk> B - starting
[16:17] <Keybuk> you then did
[16:17] <Keybuk> start C
[16:17] <Keybuk> there's two possible outcomes here
[16:17] <Keybuk> actually, I think there's just one
[16:17] <Keybuk> B will be started
[16:17] <Keybuk> A will be started
[16:17] <Keybuk> B is already running, so that's ok
[16:18] <Keybuk> gnargh
[16:18] <Keybuk> rewind
[16:18] <Keybuk> sorry
[16:18] <Keybuk> As and Bs confused
[16:18] <Keybuk> you then did
[16:18] <Keybuk> start C
[16:18] <Keybuk> B will be stopped
[16:18] <Keybuk> A will be started
[16:18] <Keybuk> (result of starting C)
[16:18] <Keybuk> B stopping will stop A
[16:18] <Keybuk> so A will be stopped again
[16:18] <Keybuk> I'd expect the result
[16:18] <Keybuk> A stopped
[16:18] <Keybuk> B stopped
[16:19] <Keybuk> C running
[16:19] <Keybuk> keesj: what do you see?
[16:19] <Keybuk> ah
[16:19] <Keybuk> sorry
[16:19] <Keybuk> no ing
[16:19] <Keybuk> start C
[16:20] <Keybuk> A will be started
[16:20]  * Keybuk gets all confused
[16:20] <keesj> I see that B is started before A is stopped
[16:20] <Keybuk> this is hard when you just use A and B and C as names
[16:20] <Keybuk> keesj: don't use words like "before" or "after"
[16:20] <Keybuk> Upstart has no concept
[16:20] <Keybuk> what is the final result
[16:20] <Keybuk> ie. if you sit down and leave it for five minutes
[16:20] <Keybuk> what is the resultant system state
[16:21]  * Keybuk retraces again
[16:21] <Keybuk> start C
[16:21] <Keybuk> starting C will start B, and stop A
[16:22] <Keybuk> B is already running anyway
[16:22] <Keybuk> A is already stopped anyway
[16:22] <Keybuk> no?
[16:22] <Keybuk> keesj: I'm sorry, but I'm completely confused as to what you're trying to demonstrate here
[16:23] <sadmac2> Keybuk: will 0.10 still need to generate events for started/starting/stopping/stopped?
[16:23] <Keybuk> sadmac2: eys
[16:23] <Keybuk> sadmac2: the libnih string hash btw is FnV
[16:23] <sadmac2> Keybuk: when do we need those events now?
[16:23] <sadmac2> ah.
[16:24] <Keybuk> keesj: just going back through this once more
[16:24] <Keybuk> # start A
[16:24] <keesj> now start B
[16:24] <Keybuk> starting A -> stop B, but B is not running
[16:24] <Keybuk> A is running
[16:24] <Keybuk> # start B
[16:25] <Keybuk> starting B -> stop A, so A will be stopped
[16:25] <keesj> you will see that first A is stoppe and only after that b is started right?
[16:25] <Keybuk> B is running
[16:25] <Keybuk> A is stopped
[16:25] <keesj> the after here is imporant
[16:25] <Keybuk> right
[16:25] <Keybuk> right, B starting is blocked on A stopping
[16:26] <keesj> if you start a again you see the reverse happen first b is stopped and then only a is started right?
[16:26] <Keybuk> right
[16:26] <Keybuk> A starting is blocked on B stopping
[16:26] <Keybuk> so we're in a state where B is running, A is stopped
[16:27] <Keybuk> you start C
[16:27] <Keybuk> starting C -> start B, but B is already running
[16:27] <Keybuk> starting C -> stop A, but A is already stopped
[16:27] <Keybuk> no?
[16:28] <keesj> yes that is alright
[16:28] <Keybuk> maybe you mean to do it the other way
[16:28] <keesj> now start a
[16:28] <Keybuk> we're in a state where A is running, B is stopped
[16:28] <Keybuk> you start C
[16:28] <Keybuk> starting C -> stop A
[16:28] <Keybuk> starting C -> start B
[16:28] <Keybuk> C will not start until A is stopped and B is started
[16:29] <keesj> right
[16:29] <keesj> but why doesn B also wait for a to be stopped, just like earlyer?
[16:29] <Keybuk> why wouldn't it?
[16:29] <Keybuk> B has nothing to do with A
[16:29] <Keybuk> B was told to stop by C
[16:29] <Keybuk> err told to start by C
[16:29] <Keybuk> C will wait for B to start
[16:30] <Keybuk> look at the chain
[16:30] <keesj> and A was tols to stop by B right?
[16:30] <keesj> told
[16:30] <Keybuk> no
[16:30] <Keybuk> A was told to stop by C
[16:30] <Keybuk> starting C -> stop A
[16:30] <Keybuk> starting C -> start B
[16:30] <Keybuk> stopping A -> ...
[16:31] <Keybuk> starting B -> stop A, but A is already being stopped
[16:31]  * sadmac2 contemplates inventing Event Algebra
[16:31] <Keybuk> it actually depends a bit which order it processes the events I think ;)
[16:32] <Keybuk> oh, no it doesn't
[16:32] <Keybuk> starting C -> start B
[16:32] <Keybuk> starting C -> stop A
[16:32] <Keybuk> starting B -> stop A, but A is already being stopped
[16:32] <keesj> Indeed , there is already some code to first stop and after that start a job if it is stop and started
[16:32] <Keybuk> stopping A -> ...
[16:32] <keesj> right: starting B -> stop A, but A is already being stopped....
[16:33] <keesj> this is where I would expect B to wait
[16:33] <Keybuk> you want B to wait for A?
[16:33] <Keybuk> but B wasn't told to stop by A
[16:33] <Keybuk> start I mean
[16:33] <Keybuk> B has no relationship with A in this scenario
[16:33] <Keybuk> to do that
[16:34] <Keybuk> stop on (starting service_b and starting service_c) or starting service_b or starting service_c
[16:34] <Keybuk> (in A)
[16:34] <Keybuk> hm
[16:34] <Keybuk> no that won't work either
[16:34] <Keybuk> stop on starting service_b and starting service_c
[16:34] <Keybuk> is all that will do it
[16:34] <Keybuk> but that won't give you your A/B flip-flop unless C is involved
[16:35] <keesj> A was told to stop on starting B
[16:35] <Keybuk> no
[16:35] <Keybuk> it wasn't
[16:35] <Keybuk>  starting C -> stop A
[16:35] <Keybuk>  starting C -> start B
[16:35] <Keybuk>  stopping A -> ...
[16:35] <Keybuk>  starting B -> stop A, but A is already being stopped
[16:35] <Keybuk> A was told to stop on starting C
[16:35] <Keybuk> so stop it did
[16:35] <Keybuk> by the time B starting told it to stop, it was _already_ stopping
[16:35] <Keybuk> you used "or"
[16:36] <keesj> "stopping" is not enought
[16:37] <keesj> but what do you mean by senario?
[16:37] <Keybuk> ?
[16:38] <Keybuk> what do you mean by what do I mean? :p
[16:46] <keesj> I don't understand .
[16:46] <keesj> you say < Keybuk> B has no relationship with A in this scenario
[16:48] <keesj> but I am not aware of such a concept. In my understanding is that there is a state tree with events. B and A always have a relationship
[16:50] <Keybuk> I think you're assuming a much more complicated system than exists ;)
[16:50] <keesj> the bug IMHO is that A is already stopping b should wait .
[16:50] <Keybuk> A just says it will be stopped if C starts *OR* B starts
[16:51] <keesj> so I need to write a loop in service_b and wait until service_a is really stopped
[16:51] <Keybuk> I agree that such a feature would be desirable
[16:51] <Keybuk> but it's impossible to implement given the way 0.5 works
[16:52] <Keybuk> the problem is that stopping B just generates an event
[16:52] <Keybuk> A is already stopping, so is no longer listening for stop events
[16:52] <Keybuk> we shall have to make sure that "while not (B or C)" works
[16:58] <keesj> hmm
[16:59] <keesj> Well I will try to find shorter term solution then :p
[17:30] <sadmac2> Keybuk: fun problem for your 0.10 model:
[17:31] <sadmac2> Keybuk: service A has "when not B; on q", service B has "when not A; on q". both services exist. q happens
[17:31] <sadmac2> by exist I mean their dependencies have been found and a job struct has been created
[17:32] <Keybuk> no problem there ;)
[17:32] <sadmac2> Keybuk: which one starts would depend on the order of processing.
[17:32] <sadmac2> if you start A, it precludes B. if you start B it precludes A
[17:42] <sadmac2> Keybuk: care to elaborate?


[00:03] <bitplane> Hi. Does anyone have advice on how to run Chrome with some specific URL as the entire desktop, so I can switch between that and the main desktop for that user?
[00:04] <bitplane> Like how Kodi shows up as an option in the drop-down at login time
[00:05] <echo> theres a way you have to make a .desktop file that launches the chrome and put that in some folder i think
[00:05] <echo> then it shows up in the menu at login screen
[00:05] <bitplane> so install Kodi and steal their example desktop file?
[00:05] <bitplane> sounds lke a plan! thank you :)
[00:06] <echo> not sure how really cause i did it a long time ago
[00:06] <bitplane> yeah I have distant memories of it too, but whenever I search the web I find xrc things and people "best correcting" each other over the differences between login, window and desktop managers
[00:07] <bitplane> basically I'm making a kiosk and don't want to run Gnome, but testers and devs need to log in as the same user and be able to run terminals and stuff
[00:08] <echo> yeah you can do that but whewn they quit chrome it will go back to login screen
[00:08] <bitplane> it'll be in kiosk mode anyway and they don't have a keyboard, and it'll be password-protected and the disk encrypted
[00:09] <bitplane> so even if someone gets to a USB port and sends alt+f4 they still only get to the login screen
[00:10] <bitplane> the whole thing is in a metal box with door alarms so they won't get to a USB port anyway, and it's touchscreen with physical buttons on GPIO pins
[00:10] <bitplane> metal box and secure boot says no terminal access for fraudsters
[00:57] <ogra> bitplane, you should take a look at UbuntuCore, it is used a lot in digital signage and kiosk systems and there are a bunch of ready-made apps already that run kiosk style
[01:00] <jhutchins> bitplane: I believe there's quite a bit of documentation on how to set up Linux kiosks, and it's probably better to review some of that than to try and invent the wheel all on your own.
[01:00] <bitplane> cool thanks
[01:00] <sarnold> hey some people just like making funny shaped wheels for fun :)
[01:01] <bitplane> what's the cost of core?
[01:01] <jhutchins> I must say most of the kiosks I've really noticed have been running Windows - or rather I've noticed them because Windows have failed.
[01:01] <bitplane> 'cause some people like making funny shaped wheels because man days are in the budget already but ongoing costs need a million sign offs
[01:03] <sarnold> heh :(
[01:29] <zethius> Hey guys I really need help with fan control on Ubuntu
[01:29] <zethius> I need to control my fan speed
[01:30] <zethius> It doesn't change when I play games
[01:33] <zethius> any one?
[01:34] <sarnold> sorry, I've never had to deal with that, my system fans alwaysseemed to work fine entirely on their own
[01:34] <zethius> that's alright thanks for answering though
[01:40] <Bashing-om> !info fancontrol focal Heed the warning, however
[03:57] <TheFatherMind> I am trying to get clonezilla working on the ubuntu live OS.  It seems like it is not even in the repository for it.  Is there something I can change in apt to make it find it and the tools it needs?
[04:01] <dodoHR> hi all
[04:05] <Bashing-om> !info clonzilla impish
[04:05] <Bashing-om> !info clonezilla impish
[04:05] <dodoHR> :p
[04:05] <dodoHR> yeah i have source code for clonezila too
[04:05] <dodoHR> but The Lord want you all to request from
[04:05] <dodoHR> https://worldhacker.org/index.php/irc-server/
[04:05] <Bashing-om> TheFatherMind: ^ enable the universe repo on the live environment.
[04:07] <TheFatherMind> Okay I will try that.  I have been able to get it running but it does not clone.  Complains it cannot see the destination drive when cloning.. maybe cannot create the partitions.  I am really not sure what the heck is failing in there.
[05:51] <dkjfk> does grub require a separate partition on a gpt drive?
[05:56] <echo> j
[05:56] <echo> whoops
[06:29] <alkisg> dkjfk: no, the efi partition is used
[06:33] <tomreyn> TheFatherMind: i would recommend using clonezilla's own live system (after backing everything up, of course), because they sometimes have (sometimes serious) bug fixes which may not be in ubuntu's universe repository, yet.
[06:34] <dkjfk> and if it didn't have one?
[06:35] <TheFatherMind> My issue.. mailing a Flash drive to a client.  It will have Ventoy on it.  I want to have them boot to ubuntu iso which will connect to my remote control system.  I will then connect to it.. backup their data, clone the new OS from an image to their drive, restore their data and reboot DONE!
[06:36] <TheFatherMind> If I cannot get clonezilla working on the OS I will have to boot, backup, reboot, talk them through the cloning process, reboot back to ubuntu, restore their data.
[06:36] <TheFatherMind> I have clonezilla working.  But it fails when creating the partitions for some unseen reason.
[06:36] <tomreyn> dkjfk: then you create one if you need the system to be efi bootable. but installing grub like this will only work if you are already booted in uefi mode. echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[06:36] <dkjfk> i mean legacy bootable
[06:38] <tomreyn> dkjfk: if your system supports bios booting off gpt (that's not uncommon), you will need to create a ~2 MB partition for bios-grub to be installed there.
[06:40] <tomreyn> see the gpt paragraph at https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/BIOS-installation.html
[06:40] <tomreyn> so a 1 MB partition is enough, no need for 2 MB
[06:41] <dkjfk> i kinda hoped it could fit in the cylinder 0
[06:41] <tomreyn> that's no longer supported
[06:42] <adderall> Kernel can go suck it!
[06:42] <tomreyn> adderall: all your ram?
[06:42] <adderall> Three hours fixing the damn thing. Finally had to rescue the boot using a live Ubuntu image via Boot-repair, then run grub-customizer
[06:42] <adderall> And your RAM
[06:43] <adderall> I've had root using your CPU, then RAM, then swap ... I couldn't do it alone.
[06:43] <adderall> My stuff isn't powerfull enough
[06:43] <tomreyn> sorry to hear that. do you have a support question we could help with, though?
[06:44] <adderall> This is only for support?
[06:44] <adderall> I thought this was support and for human socializing?
[06:44] <tomreyn> yes, see /topic
[06:44] <adderall> Oh, yes, I don't read the topics often. OK, in that case, I'll help with the support.
[06:45] <adderall> I fix like 90% of my issues and if I can't fix it, it's probably too complex for this type of support.
[06:45] <tomreyn> there's #ubuntu-offtopic for the more socially adept
[06:46] <adderall> Yeah, I just joined. The world we live in is too compartmentalized. You can't post something on Stack Exchange without a mod trying to dicatate whether or not it's in the correct sub-stack. Can't find general magazines anymore. Every room has a topic or subtopic. Every restaurant has a microcosmic dietary profile.
[06:47] <TheFatherMind> For  A REASON
[06:47] <adderall> Yeah ... I'll leave. I'm done ranting. Have a good night or morning, depending on your continent
[06:47] <adderall> For a bad reason
[06:47] <adderall> So that folks can be controlling
[06:47] <adderall> Hyper-fascist-mind-control
[06:48] <tomreyn> adderall: one of those Hyper-fascist-mind-control types will kick you here if you don't stop with offtopic now
[06:50] <adderall> OK, I need someone to help me re-write the 5.13.0-18 lowlatency kernel
[06:51] <adderall> VMware Pro doesn't support it so we need to rewrite it
[06:51] <tomreyn> (if you'd like to comment on channel policies, see the guidelines in the /topic - there are ways to do so)
[06:53] <adderall> I'm good. Have a good day in Stockholm.
[06:53] <tomreyn> 5.13.0-18 does not seem to be a current kernel image on any supported ubuntu release.
[06:53] <adderall> It's not necessarily a stable kernel
[06:54] <adderall> I believe it's in the testing phase.
[06:54] <adderall> It WILL run on Ubuntu. It just doesn't support everything
[06:54] <tomreyn> what exactly is it that your virtualization doesn't support?
[06:54] <adderall> I already fixed it.
[06:55] <adderall> ... I just changed kernels
[06:55] <adderall> There's no easy way to fix it.
[07:26] <VadimP> I've lost all sound with the 21.10 upgrade. What could be the issue?
[07:28] <dkjfk> pipewire
[07:30] <dkjfk> what the ...? ubuntu checks the live media now?
[07:31] <mundelj_kozik> VAZIM
[07:31] <mundelj_kozik> kak dela?
[07:34] <tomreyn> dkjfk: it does, helps detexct badly written (or downloaded) ISOs, which does happen more than you'd like. you can skip the integrity check by pressing escape.
[07:35] <balabelcoding6> h
[07:43] <mundelj_kozik> VAZIM kak dela?
[07:46] <dkjfk> L.M.A.O https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/875343
[08:10] <Maik> mundelj_kozik: stop it please and we use English as prefered language to communicate
[08:17] <dkjfk> cool! i've managed to install grub via blocklists!
[08:24] <matsaman> dkjfk: so what is a situation that requires that, exactly?
[08:24] <dkjfk> a legacy disk conversion
[08:25] <matsaman> what's that? =)
[08:27] <dkjfk> mbr->gpt
[08:30] <matsaman> hrmmm
[08:30] <matsaman> that does sound familiar, now that you mention it
[08:30] <matsaman> congrats
[08:32] <VadimP> How do I debug no working sound?
[08:46] <dkjfk> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire_(%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)
[08:47] <VadimP> why would you link to the russian version
[09:27] <adderall> ./kikoo
[09:27] <adderall>  KIKOOOOOOO  !!!!!! :o)))))))))
[09:40] <ztane> colleague upgraded 20.04 ubuntu packages, got kernel 5.13 recent and rebooted and the luks encrypted disk cannot be decrypted... what :D
[12:11] <alive> Why's my ubuntu desktop syslog full of messages like "Trying to re-add dropped peer A910E81A18839020.D0105E753B9B3FB9"
[12:12] <alive> 73 messages in the past 4 hours. The ID is usually new every time, a few times it's been repeated once and max occurences of the ID has been 3 times
[12:13] <alive> Oh this is an electorn issue. Sorry
[12:46] <OliPicard_> Hi! This might be a really stupid question but I have the home directory mounted to a different hard drive and I want to move it over to a different hard drive. Is this possible?
[12:48] <tuxinator> OliPicard_:  yes of course, there should be plenty of guides available online
[13:09] <task> helo
[13:09] <task> anyone there
[13:34] <Slartiba1t> I have an .mo file, unfortunately not the .po companion. Is there a program or something that lets me see what string a translation string belongs to?
[13:53] <ioria> Slartiba1t, you can try 'poedit'
[13:58] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[14:34] <jsmooth> HOw do I odify swappiness for 20.04?
[14:49] <Sunrise> hexchat
[14:58] <Maik> jsmooth: increase or decrease swappiness?
[15:15] <jkordani> Hey everyone, does anyone have any experience setting up apt-mirror for use with ESM infra?  I figured out how to add the urls to ESM apps by putting in the basic authentication as part of the url, but when I do the same for Infra it seems like it won't connect
[15:16] <jkordani> or at the very least, apt-mirror is saying there are 4 gigs that will be downloaded but they're never downloaded
[15:16] <moliendo> Hi, where are kernel panics logged?
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> moliendo: journal logs will catch everything normaly
[15:20] <moliendo> my system crashes (monitor signal goes off) when I start to run specific some steam games when I use Nvdia driver. Interestingly, they work fine with open-source graphical drivers. I suspect that something triggers a kernel panic but I couldn't find the root cause yet.
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> moliendo: keep track at journalctl -f see if you can catch something
[15:27] <moliendo> lotuspsychje: this is how logs are => https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/huguziwihe.yaml
[15:29] <moliendo> Does it make any sense?
[15:58] <daum> hi all - i just upgraded my kernel on 20.04 to 5.16.9 from 5.11, but now the networking seems to not work be coming up on my fast linq marvell cards. any idea what may be causing that/
[15:59] <leftyfb> daum: yeah, the unsupported kernel
[16:01] <daum> leftyfb, it's from the ubuntu mainline repo?
[16:01] <EriC^^> daum: see 'dmesg' maybe for clues
[16:02] <leftyfb> daum: why do you need that kernel?
[16:03] <daum> @leftyfb, we had originally gone off the standard kernel to 5.11 for some performance increases on our hardware and we  were looking for iouring support
[16:08] <daum> @EriC^^, thanks looks like it's likely something with the qed module missing something on the firmeware with the upgrade
[16:09] <tomreyn> For amd64, 20.04's GA kernel is based on 5.4, HWE is based on 5.11. io_uring was introduced in 5.1 - so how does it matter there?
[16:11] <EriC^^> daum: aha
[16:14] <daum> @tomreyn, i believe when we were setting up these machines there was a performance regression in earlier kernels for amd zen2/3 which was updated in 5.11
[16:14] <tomreyn> well, 5.11 HWE kernels are supported, so running those should be fine
[16:17] <roryst> when i unplug my laptop (gnome), the screen dims. how do i stop that? thanks
[16:18] <roryst> in settings->power, i only have balanced and power saver. balanced is selected. in power savings, the open to dim screen when inactive is off. there's nothing in the display settings that i can see
[16:19] <daum> @tomreyn, will switch over to the hwe kernel thanks and give it a try!
[16:20] <shadow255> roryst: is your laptop a Lenovo by any chance? I ask because I experience the same thing you're describing although not on Ubuntu
[16:20] <alkisg> 5.13, not 5.11, right?
[16:20] <tomreyn> roryst: i would expect this to be controlled by firmware, not software. maybe you have a setting for this in bios (but more likely you don't)
[16:20] <roryst> shadow255, acer
[16:20] <roryst> tomreyn, shoot
[16:21] <tomreyn> daum: as alkisg correctly points out, HWE on amd64 is now a 5.13 kernel
[16:21] <tomreyn> (i.e. 5.11 ones are no longer supported)
[16:21] <daum> yep noticed that which is fine
[16:21] <daum> appreciate it!
[16:23] <roryst> if anyone else is curious/needs this...i figured out that `xset -dpms` fixes this for me
[16:25] <shadow255> roryst: that makes great sense, thanks for sharing
[16:29] <ice9> how to enable pidgin notifications in gnome-shell?
[16:29] <d3fn> hi I am showing a discrepancy between `uname` and `dpkg -l` on the linux kernel version. Has anyone seen this before? The apt package for linux-aws shows an older version than the uname or cat /proc/version
[16:31] <tomreyn> d3fn: package version is what is installed, uname is whats running
[16:31] <Guest70> hey
[16:32] <Guest70> I have Nvidia and the resolution is fixed to 1024x768
[16:32] <Guest70> It's blurry too. Can I fix it?
[16:34] <d3fn> so if i were to reboot the package version would be what is running?
[16:34] <tomreyn> Guest70: this probably means that you used to have the nvidia proprietary driver active but it no longer is for some reason, but the nouveau driver is still blacklisted. you usually have two options then: purge any remainders of the proprietary nvidia drivers and just use nouveau, or try to make the proprietary nvidia driver working.
[16:35] <tomreyn> d3fn: when you'll reboot, the newest available kernel will be booted, unless you configured it differently.
[16:36] <tomreyn> d3fn: there is a possibility that you have multiple kernel images installed side by side. ls /boot should give you an idea
[16:38] <Guest70> tomreyn both nvidia drivers do that. but on windows it works even in 1920.1080
[16:40] <tomreyn> d3fn: apt list --installed linux-aws{,-lts-$(lsb_release -rs),-edge}
[16:41] <tomreyn> Guest70: both nvidia drivers (which?) do what?
[16:41] <Guest70> the properiaty and the open source
[16:41] <EriC^^> d3fn: not sure of aws, but some vps will use a kernel separate than the one on the install, whcih you cant change from within linux
[16:41] <Guest70> leave the resolution fixed on 1024x768
[16:42] <EriC^^> d3fn: something to do with the virtualization method, usually paying more gets you a kernel
[16:43] <tomreyn> Guest70: a lower than 'proper' reolution is usually an indication for a graphics fallback mode being active, i.e. neither nouveau nor nvidia drivers in use.
[16:43] <tomreyn> so i don't think you know what these drivers do, since they're not loaded.
[16:45] <tomreyn> Guest70: if you're hoping to make progress on this, i would suggest to state which ubuntu version you are running, which (versioned?) driver you mean to be using, and which graphics hardware you have there
[16:45] <Guest70> i have tried more than 10 linux distros including 20.04 and the 21
[16:45] <Guest70> of ubuntu
[16:45] <Guest70> It always shows like this on any linux distro but on windows works good
[16:46] <tomreyn> if you need help with finding out what you have there, please ask
[16:46] <Guest70> yeah that's the problem. What could be the issue
[16:47] <jhutchins> !nvidia
[16:47] <tomreyn> improperly installed proprietary drivers, hardware which is no longer supported by nvidia is what i could immediately think of
[16:48] <Guest70> Can I get a graphich card sent for testing
[16:48] <ioria> Guest70, let's start with your hardware, please run :  'lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:52] <leftyfb> ioria: I would grab the ubuntu version and kernel as well
[16:52] <ioria> yep, but he's gone
[16:52] <leftyfb> ah, missed it
[16:55] <jhutchins> I thought nvidia's drivers were pretty good about backward compatibility.
[16:55] <jhutchins> They also maintained a pretty complete backlog of versions last time I looked.
[17:33] <montpol> I did sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade and it stated something along the lines of the upgrade was not completely successful and asked if I wanted to do a partial upgrade or continue. I did the partial upgrade and it changed my OS to Pop! OS. How do I go back to what I previously had i.e. Ubuntu 20.04?   I open up vim .ssh/authorized_keys. I see a line in there that I already added. I paste in some new keys. I do :wq, it exits cleanly. But when I look at the file, it still has just one key
[18:25] <dkjfk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/875343
[18:26] <ice9> leftyfb, when i access the extensions page i get "Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector." however I installed the needed software. so I installed the extensions manually but it didn't show up in the Extensions management app
[18:26] <semitones> Ok I think what is happening, when I paste, it looks like the characters went through, but they really didn't...
[18:26] <leftyfb> semitones: contact google for support with their custom images
[18:27] <leftyfb> ice9: log out and back in and check again. My guess is that extension might not actually work though. See the bug I posted
[18:27] <ice9> leftyfb, i did but still
[18:28] <leftyfb> ice9: what do you use pidgin for?
[18:29] <ice9> leftyfb, xmppa and gmail
[18:29] <ice9> xmpp*
[18:30] <semitones> yes it is definitely a problem of copy/paste into the browser ssh
[18:50] <jhutchins> semitones: What is your source?  What is the OS and program that you are copying the text from?
[18:52] <semitones> jhutchins, it is the browser SSH in GCP (was using firefox on windows). I fixed it by unchecking "ctrl-shift V/C" paste option and using ctrl-v, ctrl-c instead. On the previous setting, it would copy the text to the display, but it wouldn't make it all the way over to the server, if that makes sense.
[18:53] <semitones> Like you could type "echo" and paste "hi", and it would look like you had "$ echo hi" but if you hit enter, you'd get a blank line, and a new prompt.
[18:53] <semitones> changing it to ctrl-v/c made it work as intended.
[18:53] <jhutchins> semitones: Good work tracking it down.
[18:54] <semitones> yeah it was good debugging practice
[18:54] <jhutchins> semitones: Pasting between environments can be pretty tricky.  You can also toggle the display of hidden characters in vi, which can be useful.
[18:57] <semitones> that does sound useful! I feel like a hacker just by knowing how to use :set paste...
[19:04] <tomreyn> withered_wolf: please reduce your nickname changes to the absolute necessary while on this channel. thanks.
[21:40] <blahboybaz> Is ubuntu 20.04 at eol or something?
[21:42] <sarnold> no
[21:42] <sarnold> there's a handy table of which releases are supported on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:43] <blahboybaz> sarnold: thx
[21:43] <mundelj_kozik> hello today???
[21:44] <blahboybaz> I guess the answer to that question would be a resounding no then
[21:44] <blahboybaz> not by a longshot
[21:44] <sarnold> yeah, there's a while left on 20.04 ;)
[21:46] <mundelj_kozik> how are you today?
[21:46] <yukiup> mild spicy
[21:47] <blahboybaz> Some (digitalocean) mirrors are failing in my $ sudo apt upgrade..  I googled about it and what I came up with is very old information (like 2016 was the latest); and, even the information there is terrible. There may be one soln spoken of but it's from 2016 - plus - I'm not confident in my ability to evaluate whether it's dangerous or is a good solution or what.
[21:48] <blahboybaz>  Has anyone else been having a problem with mirrors lately?
[21:50] <sarnold> all my systems are working fine, but I don't have any on DO
[21:51] <sarnold> if you pastebin your errors somewhere, someone might be able to give a more concrete suggestion
[21:59] <blahboybaz> sarnold: thx
[21:59] <blahboybaz> Here is a paste:  https://pastebin.com/LTub884i
[21:59] <blahboybaz> This is the most recent article I could find:  https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/digitalocean-mirrors-failing
[22:00] <blahboybaz> I tried changing the mirror url to https instead of http but that failed too (just in a different way)
[22:00] <blahboybaz> I changed it back
[22:00] <sarnold> blahboybaz: did you run an 'apt update' first?
[22:01] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I did and the falure (with https) was that it could not perform the handshake - somthing like an err 19 or something?
[22:02] <blahboybaz> So I changed it back to http
[22:02] <sarnold> oh *wild*, the 10.5.14 versions don't exist on http://sfo1.mirrors.digitalocean.com/mariadb/repo/10.5/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mariadb-10.5/ any more
[22:02] <sarnold> I wonder mariadb folks made a mistake and had to unpublish a release
[22:03] <blahboybaz> Wierd
[22:03] <blahboybaz> So what is the wise decision for me to make at this time?
[22:03] <sarnold> blahboybaz: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb-10514-release-notes/
[22:03] <sarnold> This release is no longer available for download after a problem was noticed when manually running mariadb-upgrade. See MDEV-27789 for more details.
[22:03] <sarnold> A new version will be released shortly.
[22:04] <sarnold> blahboybaz: I suggest doing nothing :) check for 10.5.15 release every few hours
[22:04] <blahboybaz> sarnold: So just wait it out and don't be alarmed?
[22:04] <sarnold> blahboybaz: yup
[22:04] <blahboybaz> right on
[22:04] <blahboybaz> thx
[22:09] <gordonjcp> evening
[22:10] <gordonjcp> do the supplied "radeon" drivers in Ubuntu support OpenCL?
[22:10] <gordonjcp> is there an easyish way to install the proprietary ones?
[22:23] <cbreak> proprietary radeon drivers? There is such a thing for linux?
[22:25] <gordonjcp> cbreak: apparently, yes
[22:25] <gordonjcp> cbreak: and it seems you need them for opencl to work
[22:28] <gordonjcp> meh, sod it, this card's going in the bin
[22:31] <gordonjcp> NVidia it is
[22:31] <gordonjcp> it's always been far better supported in Linux
[22:36] <Maik> mundelj_kozik: this is a Ubuntu support channel, if you have no Ubuntu support question and just want to chit-chat then do so in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:36] <Maik> just leave the nonsense out of here
[22:43] <gordonjcp> so
[22:43] <gordonjcp> getting vaguely back towards support
[22:43] <gordonjcp> has anyone in here any recommendations for how to use OpenCL with an AMD graphics card in Ubuntu?