[01:15] <abrammichael> hi
[02:12] <nomic> hi
[04:54] <fifty-sevenC> hi
[05:08] <randall> yo
[05:14] <fifty-sevenC> yooooooo
[05:59] <Guest48448> hi all
[06:00] <Guest48448> I just installed Ubuntu mate and I have some problem with Ubuntu Software Center, do you have any suggestion?
[06:02] <fifty-sevenC> Suggestion for what?
[06:02] <SuperEngineer> Guest48448: please state *what* the problem is :-)  [and are you aware that the UbuntuMate "welcome" has a software selection?]
[06:18] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... a real community spirit shown there - a person who gives but wants nothing in return.  [in this case, someone who gives a question, doesn't want an answer in return for their giving] :-D
[06:23] <randall> funny how people do that, ask vague question, then leave when they dpn't get an instant answer
[06:23] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[07:24] <guixing> yeah!!
[11:36] <geonu> hi
[11:37] <ouroumov> hi geonu
[11:39] <Nosophorus> hello, guys
[11:39] <ouroumov> Sup Nosophorus
[12:08] <mase-tech> hihi I love ubuntu mate
[12:08] <mase-tech> really nice look
[12:08] <mase-tech> and other features are also very good
[12:16] <mate|41645> I have some trouble to download ubuntu mate for the raspi. The link seems to be broken. Is there an alternative link?
[12:31] <mate|32854> Hello guys
[12:31] <mate|32854> a question
[12:32] <mate|32854> can i make a NAS on ubuntu mate
[12:32] <mate|32854> using Dlink DL320
[12:32] <mate|32854> ?
[12:33] <mate|32854> for an example. can i install utorrent on ubuntu mate
[12:34] <mate|32854> i leave the question for response, thanks
[12:34] <SCHAAP137> i don't see why not
[12:35] <SCHAAP137> if the machine is capable of running ubuntu mate, it's capable of functioning as a NAS
[12:35] <SCHAAP137> (provided it has a network adapter)
[12:36] <mate|41645> No idea about the broken link? Anyone?
[12:36] <mate|32854> thanks. i forgot one detail, the ideia is use the  Raspberry 3...
[12:39] <mate|32854> i leave the question, see you guys back later
[13:32] <peewii> #c
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> #u
[15:36] <julio> boa tarde
[18:22] <veter900> 123456
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> [phew... no count down]
[18:28] <veter900> halov
[18:42] <agpirie> Hello. I had sophos antivirus for linux on my Ubuntu mate partition and it was blocking the grub update thing, now grub is gone and the computer boots straight into windows now. How do I fix this?
[18:46] <Akuli> agpirie, please don't use antiviruses on linux
[18:46] <Akuli> but lets fix this
[18:46] <Akuli> agpirie, do you have the installation cd?
[18:46] <Akuli> or dvd or usb stick or whatever
[18:47] <agpirie> Yes
[18:47] <Akuli> boot from it
[18:47] <Akuli> use the 'try ubuntu' thing
[18:48] <agpirie> Ermm
[18:48] <agpirie> I'm using the computer right now to message you.
[18:48] <agpirie> Hang on lemme get on here with my phone
[18:48] <Akuli> with the usb stick?
[18:48] <agpirie> No, on Windows
[18:48] <Akuli> well
[18:48] <Akuli> you can get here from the stick
[18:48] <agpirie> Yeha
[18:48] <Akuli> there's hexchat in the menu, just open it and join
[18:48] <Akuli> irc is not really a mobile phone thing :) you just can't write  fast enough
[18:49] <agpirie> Lemme reflash the image to the usb drive a sec, i formatted it for my files
[18:50] <Akuli> is someone else here using an antivirus on linux? please remove it before you're locked out of your system!!
[18:50] <agpirie> very good advice ^^^
[18:50] <agpirie> i recently found out linux doesnt need antivirus after i updated grub...
[18:50] <Akuli> :)
[18:51] <nomic> viruses are a factor of windows
[18:51] <Akuli> do you know why it doesn't need it?
[18:51] <nomic> IMO the anti-virus writers produce them, constantly
[18:51] <agpirie> Because there isn't much virus for linux out there..?
[18:51] <Akuli> yes, but why aren't people just writing them?
[18:51] <Akuli> they're hard to write because everything requires a password
[18:51] <agpirie> Yeha
[18:52] <Edve> Akuli, you could be suprised
[18:52] <Akuli> to keep it that way, never enter your password if you don't need to :)
[18:52] <Akuli> Edve, i'm speaking of things that destroy the system
[18:52] <Akuli> not stuff in your home folder, its easy to get rid of
[18:52] <Akuli> if you ever get any just remove all hidden setting files and you're done
[18:53] <Edve> no i know , just with the right coding into an java applet loaded by a browser
[18:53] <Akuli> how would it gain root access?
[18:53] <Akuli> just doesn't make any sense
[18:53] <agpirie> http://i.imgur.com/2V5WcE7.png around 5 mins left.... ;c
[18:53] <Edve>  java is full of exploit like that
[18:54] <Edve> yes it has some limitation avout the JVM that is running but it can interact outside of the box
[18:54] <Akuli> nice, irc is a built-in thing on the website
[18:54] <agpirie> Edve, I would normally add .js to the ublock list...
[18:54] <agpirie> On firefox that is...
[18:54] <Akuli> ublock runs on chrome-based browsers too
[18:55] <agpirie> Yeah
[18:55] <agpirie> I'm on chrome rn
[18:55] <Akuli> hehe :)
[18:55] <agpirie> I wonder why there isn't many videos on youtube of stuff like "scammer v linux"
[18:56] <Akuli> there's videos about people telling about how you need an antivirus and bla bla bla, but you already have one
[18:56] <Akuli> your common sense
[18:56] <agpirie> xd
[18:56] <Edve> because people using linux are Leet , they dont want to let you know that they had a virus . That is a common fact
[18:57] <Akuli> even a lot of windows users, especially security professionals use nothing but their common sense
[18:57] <agpirie> I'm thinking of something right now. Since Ubuntu phone and kubuntu phone is a thing... then what would Ubuntu MATE phone be like(if in development)?
[18:57] <Akuli> viruses don't appear by theirselves, 99% of the time they come from the web browser
[18:57] <Akuli> agpirie, mate isn't that nice for phones
[18:58] <Akuli> the panels are a bit too narrow by default
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> click click click virus
[18:59] <Akuli> agpirie, is the usb stick done?
[18:59] <agpirie> Almost, it's verifying
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> that's how it's done... we wise peeps check what we click before we click... we're called Linux peeps
[18:59] <agpirie> Validating*
[18:59] <agpirie> http://i.imgur.com/hKP3xlJ.png
[19:01] <agpirie> Okay, gonna boot into the usb now
[19:05] <Akuli> hi agpirie
[19:05] <agpirie> Akuli I'm on Ubuntu mate right now.
[19:05] <agpirie> Now what?
[19:05] <Akuli> open a terminal, run this:  lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:05] <Akuli> that'll list your hard drives, and upload the list to termbin.com and give you a link to it
[19:05] <agpirie> NAME    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[19:05] <agpirie> sda       8:0    0 465.8G  0 disk
[19:05] <agpirie> ├─sda1    8:1    0     1G  0 part
[19:05] <agpirie> ├─sda2    8:2    0   100M  0 part
[19:05] <agpirie> ├─sda3    8:3    0   128M  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda4    8:4    0 298.9G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda5    8:5    0  47.7G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda6    8:6    0  47.7G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda7    8:7    0   3.8G  0 part [SWAP]
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda8    8:8    0    95M  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda9    8:9    0   804M  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda10   8:10   0  10.1G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> └─sda11   8:11   0  47.7G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> sdb       8:16   1   7.2G  0 disk /cdrom
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sdb1    8:17   1   1.5G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> └─sdb2    8:18   1   2.3M  0 part
[19:06] <Akuli> agpirie, copy-paste it next time :)
[19:06] <agpirie> loop0     7:0    0   1.5G  1 loop /rofs
[19:06] <agpirie> http://termbin.com/s3i1
[19:06] <Akuli> i mean, copy-paste the command
[19:06] <agpirie> I used ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[19:07] <agpirie> It's what I'm used to
[19:07] <Akuli> don't paste that much here
[19:07] <Akuli> :)
[19:07] <agpirie> Okay
[19:07] <Akuli> 3 lines is a good maximum
[19:07] <Akuli> anyway
[19:07] <Akuli> do you know which of the drives is your ubuntu partition?
[19:07] <agpirie> I have 3 Linux partitions
[19:08] <Akuli> which one is grub on?
[19:08] <Akuli> i mean, which one has the antivirus crap?
[19:08] <agpirie> I removed the antivirus
[19:08] <agpirie> But grub doesnt work on it
[19:08] <Akuli> which one had it?
[19:08] <agpirie> I don't know which partition
[19:08] <Akuli> ok
[19:09] <agpirie> It's one of the 47.7G ones
[19:09] <Akuli> open 'Computer' in the places menu
[19:09] <agpirie> I found it by mounting it and finding it in gnome-disks
[19:10] <agpirie> It's /dev/sda11
[19:10] <Akuli> is it mounted now? where?
[19:10] <agpirie> That's where
[19:10] <Akuli> ok
[19:10] <agpirie> I can't paste it lol
[19:10] <Akuli> no problem :)
[19:10] <agpirie> Because it starts with a slash
[19:10] <agpirie>  /media/ubuntu-mate/8e93a68c-dc60-49f7-b7f3-7c420641b298
[19:10] <agpirie> There
[19:10] <Akuli> ok
[19:10] <Akuli> run these:
[19:10] <Akuli> umount /dev/sda11
[19:11] <Akuli> sudo mount /dev/sda11 /mnt
[19:11] <Akuli> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[19:11] <agpirie> Done
[19:11] <Akuli> now you're on your computer, but using the live cd's kernel
[19:11] <Akuli> if you now run update-grub, what does that do?
[19:12] <agpirie> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bas
[19:12] <agpirie> wait
[19:12] <Akuli> bash, not bas
[19:12] <agpirie>  /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[19:12] <Akuli> exit out of the chroot
[19:12] <Akuli> just type exit
[19:12] <agpirie> Yeah..
[19:12] <Akuli> then we'll mount /dev:   sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[19:12] <Akuli> i wonder what else we need to mount
[19:13] <Akuli> when thats done, try the chroot again
[19:13] <agpirie> maybe /mnt/sys?
[19:13] <Akuli> could be
[19:13] <Akuli> sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[19:14] <Akuli> they work just like that,  you can mount others yourself too if you get error messages
[19:15] <agpirie> attempting to open chroot is slow now..
[19:15] <Akuli> hmm
[19:15] <Akuli> chroot should start really fast
[19:15] <agpirie> It normally does..
[19:15] <Akuli> you can interrupt it with Ctrl+C
[19:15] <agpirie> Yeah
[19:15] <agpirie> I know most keyboard shortcuts
[19:16] <Akuli> do you know how to copy-paste with the terminal without mouse?
[19:16] <agpirie> But running chroot again does the same thing
[19:16] <agpirie> Yeah
[19:16] <Akuli> or how to move around without arrow keys>
[19:16] <agpirie> CTRL+SHIFT+C CTRL+SHIFT+V
[19:16] <Akuli> there's another way
[19:16] <agpirie> those are the main ones I use
[19:16] <Akuli> you still need to highlight the text with your mouse
[19:16] <Akuli> Ctrl+K and Ctrl+Y
[19:16] <Akuli> cut/paste
[19:19] <agpirie> Gonna restart. Because now the terminal is just playing up
[19:24] <agpirie> Okay
[19:25] <Akuli> so
[19:25] <agpirie> I don't know what to do...
[19:25] <agpirie> About the whole grub thing
[19:25] <Akuli> follow this tutorial http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[19:26] <Akuli> with sda11 as sdXY
[19:26] <agpirie> Okay, thanks
[19:26] <Akuli> :)
[19:26] <Akuli> ask me if you have any problems
[19:26] <Akuli> i forgot that updating grub from chroot is such a problem
[19:30] <agpirie> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[19:30] <agpirie> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[19:30] <agpirie> That's what happens when running grub-install /dev/sda
[19:31] <Akuli> maybe you've mounted the wrong partition?
[19:31] <agpirie> No..
[19:31] <agpirie> I mounted /dev/sda11
[19:31] <Akuli> hmm
[19:34] <agpirie> Wait, I had to force shut down Windows.  Cya on the other sideeeeeeee
[19:43] <agpirie> Okay
[19:43] <agpirie> Now what was that reinstall grub 2 link again?
[19:47] <Akuli> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[19:47] <Akuli> first result on google, but i read it
[19:47] <agpirie> I already found it, and grub-install /dev/sda didnt work
[19:47] <agpirie> but grub-update did
[19:47] <agpirie> except a little error
[19:47] <agpirie> grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1.  Check your device.map.
[19:47] <Akuli> little error :)
[19:48] <Akuli> why is it /dev/sdb1?
[19:48] <agpirie> That's my usb stick...
[19:48] <agpirie> sdb1
[19:48] <Akuli> what did the grub-install one say?
[19:48] <agpirie> root@ubuntu-mate:/# grub-install /dev/sda
[19:48] <agpirie> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[19:48] <agpirie> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[19:48] <Akuli> hmm
[19:51] <agpirie> Gonna  restart computer to see if the grub-update thing did the trick
[20:00] <agpirie> Akuli, I just realized that in the welcome app there is "Boot-Repair"
[20:03] <agpirie> An error occurred during the repair.
[20:03] <agpirie> Please write on a paper the following URL:
[20:03] <agpirie> http://paste2.org/IAmUmmeb
[20:10] <agpirie> Another one...
[20:10] <agpirie> An error occurred during the repair.
[20:10] <agpirie> Please write on a paper the following URL:
[20:10] <agpirie> http://paste2.org/fKbUGs0P
[20:10] <agpirie> Gonna reboot and see if it worked anyway
[20:24] <Akuli> agpirie, i'd recommend going to #ubuntu
[20:24] <Akuli> there's more skilled people than here, and your issue is not ubuntu mate specific so they should be ready to help you there
[20:24] <agpirie> ok
[20:28] <agpirie> There is literally nobody there who is responding to me and lots of people are active right now..
[20:28] <Akuli> let me come there
[20:38] <scotty__> hey all... how do i check if my system is 32 or 64 bit in terminal??
[20:38] <scotty__> total linux noob XD
[20:40] <bekks> scotty__: check uname -a first
[20:41] <scotty__> armv7l GNU/Linux
[20:48] <agpirie> bekks, why is the output:
[20:48] <agpirie> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo mount /boot/efi
[20:48] <agpirie> mount: can't find /boot/efi in /etc/fstab
[20:48] <agpirie> cannot find it
[20:48] <bekks> Why are you changing support channels?
[20:49] <agpirie> I don't know...
[20:50] <agpirie> My keyboard is covered in my little brothers crisps...
[20:50] <agpirie> disgusting
[20:56] <MATE-Cinnamon> Hi all
[21:54] <toru> Is it really necessary for the disk manager to chmod a folder I want a drive mounted to to 777?  I might as well just manually edit fstab.
[21:55] <ouroumov> toru, I don't get what you mean.
[21:56] <toru> It gives full read write execute permissions to the drive I want automatically mounted.
[21:57] <ouroumov> weird
[21:57] <toru> I'm sure they do it for convenience, I just think it's a bit less secure that way.
[21:58] <ouroumov> No I mean, this should not happen I think
[21:58] <bekks> toru: Security is the same.
[21:59] <ouroumov> bekks, please explain
[21:59] <bekks> It is irrelevant wether you set permissions via fstab or via chmod.
[22:00] <ouroumov> Unless I misunderstood, the problem is the permissions, not the way they're given
[22:00] <bekks> "I just think it's a bit less secure that way." - thats what toru said.
[22:00] <ouroumov> Yeah because it's freaking 777
[22:01] <ouroumov> Or did I misread him?
[22:01] <teward> that said, that sounds like a bug that needs addressed
[22:01] <teward> and you didn't.
[22:01] <toru> It's called "gnome-disks" I guess, so maybe it's the gnome project's fault.  i dunno.
[22:01] <teward> i read it as "Disk Manager chmod 777'd a folder before it was mounted by the thing, and that seems unnecessary."
[22:01] <teward> maybe file a bug on it?
[22:02] <toru> Well, thats what happened when I set it to a folder.
[22:02] <toru> it came up as 777.
[22:02] <toru> But i already had the folder before hand.
[22:02] <toru> But yea, it's not hard to just do it manually.
[22:03] <toru> just mount the drive without the disk-manager.
[22:31] <agpirie> bekks, i managed to get grub back
[23:06] <aronou25> Hi, I need some help
[23:06] <ouroumov> hi aronou25
[23:06] <ouroumov> aronou25, please describe your problem
[23:08] <aronou25> Well, I'm new in Linux, before linux, I had Windows 8, I have Intel HD Graphics Integrated, but I dont know where to download the drivers
[23:09] <aronou25> Hi ouroumov
[23:10] <ouroumov> aronou25, do you experience a graphics problem?
[23:10] <ouroumov> Intel integrated graphics are usually not a problem on Linux
[23:11] <ouroumov> There's a step in the Welcome Splash screen, section "Getting Started", about installing Drivers & Firmware packages
[23:12] <ouroumov> If you check in System -> Administration -> Software & Updates, in the "Additional Driver" tab you should be able to see if you're using the intel firmware for your processor
[23:13] <aronou25> Well, It looks like I'm already using it
[23:13] <aronou25> Thank you
[23:13] <ouroumov> yw
[23:40] <mate|43779> Hi
[23:41] <mate|43779> how can I search an app that I already have installed?
[23:47] <crege> so i have ubuntu on my raspberry pi 3 and a usb keyboard and a bluetooth mouse it is compatable but i need to somehow use the keyboard to pair and connect the mouse I need help!!!!!!
[23:48] <__user__> how can i apt-get unutu mate alpha?
[23:48] <crege> what is ubuntu mate alpha?
[23:49] <__user__> ubuntu mate alpha -> ubuntu mate 16.10
[23:50] <crege> oh just download it from their website
[23:51] <__user__> I wanted to apt-get --dist-upgrade it
[23:51] <__user__> How do I do that
[23:52] <crege> probably go to terminal in apps
[23:53] <crege> so i have ubuntu on my raspberry pi 3 and a usb keyboard and a bluetooth mouse it is compatable but i need to somehow use the keyboard to pair and connect the mouse I need help!!!!!!
[23:54] <crege> hello _user_?
[23:55] <__user__> yea
[23:55] <crege> I didn't know you where still there
[23:56] <__user__> look up how to pair bt mouse via cli
[23:56] <crege> thanks
[23:56] <__user__> Ive done it a couple times but don't remeber the commands
[23:57] <crege> I have had mine for a month and cant use it
[23:59] <crege> bye


[19:50] <balloons> veebers, a couple questions for you when you have a moment
[19:50] <balloons> 1) when will autopilot land with the json build?
[19:51] <balloons> 2) Are you ok with not having links to the source itself inside the api docs for the first iteration?
[19:52] <veebers> balloons: OTP at the mo, will be with you in a bit
[20:06] <veebers> balloons: 1.  I'll try get a card for next sprint(so next week)
[20:07] <veebers> balloons: 2. No, as that would make the documentation unusable, and with no guarantee when it will be rixed
[20:07] <veebers> fixed*
[20:09] <balloons> veebers, heh, ok we should chat more about 2; but first an update on what's been happening. You may have noticed we pushed things out a week as mhall needed more time to implement. The source docs are not something they are willing to implement right now and would require much more work.
[20:13] <balloons> veebers, we don't have to remove the static documents as soon as the initial import is complete; so we could keep those and refer to those until the import is done satisfactorily. That way at least the status quo is maintained
[20:14] <balloons> does that help things?
[20:14] <balloons> i would push to keep them until you are happy with the alternative
[21:35] <veebers> balloons: sorry was distracted. The problem I have with that is then there are 2 versions of the docs available (one being broken). Also, what's the guarantee that it will get finished and we don't sit in a half finished state for ever?
[21:36] <veebers> As long as there is a complete version of the docs around I can imagine there being less encouragement to get them done


[16:00] <pitti> hello
[16:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:03] <mdeslaur> hrm
[16:04]  * slangasek waves
[16:05] <infinity> \o/
[16:06] <slangasek> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-03-31-16.02.html says kees is chair?
[16:06] <slangasek> else mdeslaur
[16:07]  * stgraber waves
[16:08] <slangasek> kees: are you chairing? :)
[16:08]  * mdeslaur waits a minute for kees
[16:09] <mdeslaur> ok, looks like kees is a no-show again
[16:09] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[16:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 14 16:09:24 2015 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:09] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:09] <mdeslaur> [topic] Apologies
[16:09] <mdeslaur> nobody
[16:09] <mdeslaur> [topic] Action review
[16:09] <mdeslaur> nothing
[16:10] <mdeslaur> [topic] Mailing list archive
[16:10] <mdeslaur> so it looks like we've responded on-list to MAAS
[16:10] <mdeslaur> whoops
[16:10] <mdeslaur> to docker
[16:10] <mdeslaur> does anyone have anything else they'd like to say about the new docker proposal?
[16:10] <pitti> +1 on that, LGTM now
[16:11] <pitti> the previous per-series packaging was scary, but that's gone now
[16:11] <mdeslaur> yeah, +1 from me as well.
[16:12] <pitti> caribou: *prod*
[16:12] <caribou> yes, just want to have TB's opinion on an MRE for sosreport
[16:13] <caribou> it is a fast moving project with many new inclusions
[16:13] <caribou> and not possible to adhere to SRU rules when adding new plugins
[16:13] <infinity> caribou: That description is exactly the opposite of what MREs are (usuaully) for.
[16:13] <pitti> what does that do, roughly?
[16:13] <caribou> so I think that it would be beneficial to have the current upstream version on Ubuntu for all stable rel
[16:14] <caribou> collect configuration & logs on running systems for offline analtysis
[16:14] <pitti> i. e. a program which shows and manually sends data, or automatic in the background, etc?
[16:14] <mdeslaur> it seems to be pretty self-contained and nothing seems to depend on it, so at least there's that
[16:15] <caribou> for instance, a new plugin was added for cloud-init which will not be available to any of the stable release
[16:15] <caribou> since it is not part of any stable release and will only make it to "W"
[16:15] <pitti> it sends it to a location you configure, or to canoincal?
[16:15] <caribou> so the possibility to have the same 'recent' version on stable release would be a bonus
[16:15] <slangasek> manual
[16:15] <pitti> i. e. with SRUs is there a chance that we'd suddenly leak private data which it didn't before on that release?
[16:15] <caribou> infinity: I was told  that MRE would be a solution for that
[16:15] <slangasek> it's not really an MRE
[16:15] <caribou> pitti: manual
[16:15] <slangasek> but that's a nomenclature question
[16:16] <pitti> TBH I think I need some more details of what that does, how new versions impact stable releases, etc.
[16:16] <slangasek> conceptually, as a tool that's used by support to gather information from a customer's system, I think it makes sense to allow it to be updated
[16:17] <slangasek> because the extent of the interface from the user is "run this command, get results back from the Canonical support team"
[16:17] <caribou> pitti: there is confidential data scrubbing built in, but there is always a chance of bugs around this
[16:17] <pitti> caribou: if that's manual configurations, how do me make sure that newer upstream releases work with older configs, and don't suddenly drop config options/information that's sent, or change their format?
[16:17] <slangasek> so it seems analogous to me to other exceptions we've made for software where the server interface has changed
[16:17] <slangasek> just that in this case the "server interface" is the support team
[16:18] <caribou> pitti: but this would affect the dev release in the same way
[16:18] <pitti> ah, so it does send data to Caonical, not to the admin's servers
[16:18] <caribou> pitti: the tool doesn't send anything
[16:19] <caribou> pitti: it produces a tarball to be uploaded "somewhere" by the user
[16:19] <pitti> ah, ok
[16:19] <caribou> pitti: the only output is a tarball in /tmlp
[16:19] <caribou> s/tmlp/tmp
[16:19] <infinity> I'm not against it conceptually.
[16:19] <pitti> so it's intended for e. g. the Canoincal support team, so it's ok if the format/content changes?
[16:19] <infinity> As Martin says, though, are there config files, is migration guaranteed to be sane, etc?
[16:20] <pitti> yeah, I'm mostly interested in what this does structurally, and what's the worst thing that can happen
[16:20] <pitti> .. if a new upstream version changes format or drops files, etc.
[16:20] <caribou> pitti: worst thing is that some collection would be missing (which is the case in the current situation)
[16:20] <mdeslaur> perhaps we could better decide if you sent an email to the list with a description of what the tool does, who uses it, what config is uses, what it produces, and the types of changes that have happened in the past?
[16:20] <caribou> pitti: this is the current situation with SRU
[16:21] <caribou> mdeslaur: that was my intent, but I wanted a first feeling for it
[16:21] <caribou> mdeslaur: no point in formally proposing it if the first reaction is totally negative
[16:21] <pitti> I'm generally not opposed to SRU exceptions as long as they are done in a safe and sane way
[16:22] <mdeslaur> I'm open to the idea, I think this type of tool is something that is definitely worth considering for an exception
[16:22] <caribou> pitti: I think that regression issues would be restricted to the output content
[16:22] <pitti> ^ agreed; I woudl just like to understand what exactly it is and what the impact is :)
[16:22] <pitti> caribou: right, understood
[16:22] <caribou> mdeslaur: pitti: Fine, I will send an email with all the details requested
[16:23] <pitti> caribou: so I'm trying to find out whether that would break automatic evaluation of the content
[16:23] <mdeslaur> caribou: ok, I think we're all open to the idea, and we'll await your post
[16:23] <caribou> thanks to the TB, this will help in writing the email
[16:23] <caribou> this is all I had
[16:23] <pitti> caribou: thanks
[16:23] <mdeslaur> thanks caribou
[16:24] <mdeslaur> doesn't look like there was anything else to discuss on the list
[16:24] <mdeslaur> [topic] Community bugs
[16:24] <mdeslaur> None
[16:24] <mdeslaur> [topic] Next chair
[16:25] <mdeslaur> looks like it's pitti?
[16:25] <infinity> or kees. :P
[16:25] <pitti> ack
[16:25] <slangasek> ;)
[16:25] <mdeslaur> ok, so kees if he's still alive, then pitti
[16:25] <infinity> Yes, that.
[16:25] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss?
[16:26] <pitti> nothing from me
[16:26] <slangasek> not I
[16:26] <mdeslaur> ok, that's it for today folks
[16:26] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[16:26] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 16:26:43 2015 UTC.
[16:26] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-04-14-16.09.moin.txt
[16:26] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:26] <mdeslaur> thanks!
[16:26] <caribou> thanks!
[16:27] <pitti> cheers
[16:27] <slangasek> thanks!


[05:08] <Bashing-om> OK, enough for one session ... Gnight .
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/microsoft-windows-convergence-patent-phonepad
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[21:42] <EriC^^> evening gents
[21:43] <daftykins> hallo o/
[21:47] <EriC^^> how are you daftykins ?
[21:49] <daftykins> all good here thanks! got a new client today that's going to keep me busy :)
[21:49] <daftykins> what's new with you?
[21:53] <EriC^^> cool, not much went for a short drive and came home from a bit
[21:53] <daftykins> :D


[17:09] <ahoneybun> mhall119: did the meetup idea fail?
[17:09] <ahoneybun> as ours was cut
[17:10] <mhall119> ahoneybun: no, there was just a miscommunication between us and meetup.com that should be getting resolved now
[17:11] <mhall119> we got a 2-week notice from meetup, the florida team's group should still be active
[17:11] <mhall119> if it's not, and they've actually closed it down, then we need to do something
[17:11] <mhall119> if not, then it should all be worked out in the next few days
[17:13] <ahoneybun> Keith was going to pay for it but if you think we should wait
[17:15] <ahoneybun> these damn red lines
[17:15] <ahoneybun> always happens when I connect 2 machines to my bouncer