[03:22] <bnz> hi, can anyone tell me is there a way to get a beaglebone running ubuntu to have its usb port appear as a usb kbd?  or any links that may help would be apreciated..
[03:23] <bnz> i want to run some code on the beaglebone and have the output go to another computer that is blissfullly unaware its talking to another computer..
[03:24] <bnz> would like to output my data thru the usb keyboard interface to another PC..
[07:25] <marvin24> ogra_: swarren pointed my to the first and second patch on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/users/griffais which seem to fix a problem with the nvidia drivers
[07:25] <marvin24> (but for kwin-gles)
[07:40] <ogra_> marvin24, thanks, if they go upstream i guess the kubuntu team will want it ...
[07:40] <marvin24> ogra_: I thought more about the unity render problem
[07:41] <marvin24> it could be related
[07:41] <ogra_> yup
[07:41] <marvin24> but I failed to find the gles support code in unity ...
[07:42] <marvin24> is there a special branch ?
[07:42] <marvin24> lp:unity doesn't seem to contain it
[07:43] <ogra_> unity doesnt have much gles code there should be a few ifdefs though
[07:43] <ogra_> unity is just a bunch of compiz plugins ;)
[07:43] <marvin24> ah, so I need to check in the compiz code ...
[07:43] <ogra_> the heavyweight code part for gles is in compiz ...
[07:44] <ogra_> right
[07:44] <ogra_> and there gles is a gigantic ugly patch in debian/patches/
[07:44] <ogra_> its just being merged upstream with hope that it will make feature freeze
[07:49] <Kevin`> anyone know how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/CP1iAm29 MODULES=most (or anything) doesn't change the error
[07:55] <marvin24> ogra_: patch 2 seems to be included already, but we may need patch 1
[07:55] <ogra_> ah, great ...
[07:56] <marvin24> but I'm not an expert
[07:57] <ogra_> the experts are in #ubuntu-desktop ... i just pinged smspillaz there
[07:57] <marvin24> the driver exposes EGL_KHR_image, EGL_KHR_image_base, and EGL_KHR_image_pixmap
[07:57] <marvin24> so there shouldn't be a problem at all
[07:58] <Kevin`> ugh, I tried to reinstall initramfs-tools, and now of course it's stuck broken because of that error
[07:59] <ogra_> that doesnt look like an initramfs tools issue at all ... did you try running it with -v ?
[08:00] <Kevin`> ogra_: http://pastebin.com/E6G0vA4W
[08:00] <Kevin`> how can it not be an initramfs-tools issue, initramfs-tools is refusing to do it's thing
[08:01] <ogra_> because something is missing from your system that should be there
[08:01] <Kevin`> like what?
[08:01] <ogra_> you apparently have a devicemapper handled device there ... seems devicemapper doesnt properly create a sysfs entry for it
[08:01] <ogra_> thats either a kernel or a devicemapper bug
[08:02] <Kevin`> # ls /sys/block/dm-0
[08:02] <Kevin`> alignment_offset  capability  discard_alignment  ext_range  inflight  queue  removable  size    stat       trace
[08:02] <Kevin`> bdi               dev         dm                 holders    power     range  ro         slaves  subsystem  uevent
[08:02] <Kevin`> could you give me some information on exactly what it's complaining about?
[08:03] <ogra_> hmm, it seems it tries to find an SD card for that entry
[08:04] <ogra_> did you actually build a raid based on mmc devices ?
[08:04] <Kevin`> not raid, lvm
[08:04] <ogra_> aha
[08:04] <ogra_> well, to me it looks like you have a volume group made with an mmc that is not actually attached to the dm device
[08:04] <xnox> ogra_: and lvm can do raid levels....
[08:05] <ogra_> so there is no mmcblk entry in sysfs
[08:05] <Kevin`> # find /sys/block/dm-0/ -name \*mmcblk\*
[08:05] <Kevin`> /sys/block/dm-0/slaves/mmcblk0p2
[08:06] <ogra_> Kevin`, well, start with filing a bug and adding all that you pasted above to it ... file it against initramfs-tools for a start, we can re-assign it later
[08:07] <Kevin`> is there a way I can make it work now? this is holding me up, and now apt is in a semibroken state because of trying to reinstall it
[08:07] <ogra_> i guess lvm with SD cards isnt a very common case :)
[08:08] <ogra_> Kevin`, is your lvm actually your rootfs ?
[08:08] <Kevin`> yes
[08:09] <ogra_> well, then there is not much help unless the bug is fixed ... you willk need a wporking initrd that assembles the lvm on boot, weems you dont have one at all yet
[08:09] <ogra_> *seems
[08:09] <Kevin`> the system boots now
[08:10] <Kevin`> the lvm used to be on usb, and initramfs-tools didn't glitch out for that
[08:10] <ogra_> oh, well, then just add an exit 0 to update initramfs and run dpkg --configure -a
[08:10] <ogra_> (dont forget to remove it later indeed)
[08:11] <Kevin`> Generating Initramfs u-boot image... mkimage: Can't read /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-1417-omap4: Invalid argument
[08:11] <Kevin`> run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//zz-flash-kernel exited with return code 1
[08:11] <Kevin`> heh
[08:11] <Kevin`> apparenently the script is supposed to do something rather than exiting
[08:11] <ogra_> export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1
[08:12] <ogra_> sorry, forgot about flash-kernel :)
[08:12] <Kevin`> ok, at least apt isn't confused now
[08:12] <Kevin`> I still can't make an initrd for my new kernel
[08:12] <ogra_> no, not until the bug is fixed
[08:12] <ogra_> the above only worked around the apt issue
[08:15] <ogra_> btw, using an SD for an lvm will massively degrade the lvm's speed
[08:16] <ogra_> (at least if there are also normal disks involved it wioll slow them down)
[08:16] <Kevin`> it's an arm device, and it's one of the newer ones that loves to use sd in place of nand
[08:17] <ogra_> no, its a manufacturer who likes to sell the dveice cheap so did pick the cheaper storage option for the board
[08:18] <ogra_> nand is usually lots and lots faster than any MMC card
[08:18] <Kevin`> well sure, but everyone is doing it these days unfortunately
[08:18] <ogra_> but about ten times as expensive compared to just adding an SD slot
[08:18] <Kevin`> even production devices like phones, tablets, etc. almost all dev boards. :(
[08:19] <ogra_> well, you can use very fast eMMCs if you actually build a phone ... but thats not comparable to SD cards
[08:19] <Kevin`> yes it is. it's the same thing with different (or not) tweaks
[08:20] <Kevin`> still pretty horrible for random io because of the block translation done outside the os
[08:20] <Kevin`> still no reporting of failure status
[08:20] <ogra_> which is why we default to USB installs from quantal on :)
[08:21] <ogra_> the SD card is only used as boot device nowadays
[08:21] <Kevin`> a usb spinny drive is a pretty big thing to have hanging off the device all the time. although of course I started with that before I got a fast sd card
[08:21] <ogra_> and really shouldnt be used for anything else
[08:21] <ogra_> a good SD card will max out at 16MB/s ... a USB disk will get you between 20-24MB/s
[08:22] <Kevin`> bah no. a good sd card will max out at 1.5mbyte/sec (for 4k random writes)
[08:23] <ogra_> who cares about writes :)
[08:23] <Kevin`> the os when doing anything? :)
[08:23] <ogra_> they are cached anyway ... reading is the issue
[08:24] <Kevin`> writes still happen, and on an average sd card that does tham at 0.001mbytes/sec (not kidding.) it really affects usability
[08:24] <Kevin`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/initramfs-tools/+bug/1036546
[08:24] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1036546 in initramfs-tools "initramfs-tools fails for lvm on mmc" [Undecided,New]
[08:24] <ogra_> thx
[08:25] <xnox> ogra_: so I should test this? =)
[08:25] <ogra_> xnox, if you like to ?
[08:25] <Kevin`> ironically flash controllers with faster bulk read/write are normally the ones with horrible random performance
[08:25] <ogra_> i really think its quite a corner case to run lvm's off SDs
[08:26] <ogra_> (and ubiquity wont allow that ootb on qunatal installs)
[08:26] <xnox> well... i have a panda board =) and I can re-install it with rootfs on lvm on sd
[08:26] <ogra_> but it should indeed get fixed
[08:26] <xnox> ogra_: well... with a command line arg it does allow lvm instalations
[08:26] <ogra_> xnox, heh, have fun tricking ubiquity then, that wont be easy :)
[08:27] <ogra_> (partman will refuse to touch the partition table of the media you install from)
[08:27] <ogra_> (....which is your SD)
[08:28] <Kevin`> ogra_: actually, it won't. although I was using the minimal installer, I think it only uses kernel+initrd to boot from
[08:28] <xnox> hmm.... so --enable-partauto-lvm will do nothing =( sad
[08:28] <ogra_> you will need to create all partitioning you need in advance (without touching the first two partitions)
[08:28] <Kevin`> on that note, sd hotplug doesn't work on this board. was kind of annoying when booted from usb
[08:28] <ogra_> oh, yeah, you can do it from a netboot install indeed
[08:28] <xnox> hmmm... ok
[08:29] <ogra_> how does it not work ?
[08:29] <ogra_> if you plug in a card from i.e. your camera it doesnt get automounted ?
[08:29] <Kevin`> correct
[08:29] <Kevin`> well not just the automount
[08:29] <Kevin`> it doesn't detect card removal/insertion
[08:29] <ogra_> it does here, stgrange
[08:29]  * ogra_ just tried
[08:29] <Kevin`> kernel version?
[08:30] <ogra_> qunatal current ... some 3.2 kernel iirc
[08:31] <Kevin`> i'm using precise, might have different stuff there
[08:31] <ogra_> err, sorry, 3.4.0 actually
[08:32] <ogra_> welll, another bug to file then, linux-ti-omap4 is the package
[08:32] <Kevin`> but that one requires me booting from something else to test again =p
[10:00] <Kevin`> flash-kernel shouldn't attempt to identify compatible architectures by random stuff at the end of the kernel version string (say, git version info, or "+")
[10:14] <ogra_> Kevin`, well, it is designed for supported kernels ... you could file a wishlist bug in debian about it (though the 2.x version that was shipped in precise is dead now)
[11:06] <LetoThe2nd> when used only together with MLO and uboot.bin, shouldn't http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/index.php/view/49834947 run loaduimage and therefore boot the uImage kernel from the sd card on a pandaboard?
[11:22] <ogra_> LetoThe2nd, not sure what linaro sets as the default there, ask them :)
[11:23] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: hm will do
[11:23] <ogra_> we never use images without boot.scr
[11:23] <ogra_> and there we dont use loaduimage
[11:24] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: so you'd suggest to fixup boot.scr?
[11:24] <ogra_> well, rather /boot/boot.script, but yeah
[11:24] <LetoThe2nd> meh.
[11:25] <ogra_> or on quantal /usr/share/flash-kernel/bootscript/bootscript.omap
[11:25] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: some documentation link on boot.scr{ipt} tinkering?
[11:29] <ogra_> apt-get source flash-kernel :)
[11:29] <ogra_> no specific documentation
[11:30] <xnox> Kevin`_: what image did you use when you got lvm failure?
[11:30] <xnox> we have a jenkin lvm tests failing on amd64 for servers right now
[11:31] <Kevin`_> xnox: the failure isn't during install, it's after
[11:31] <Kevin`_> also, I have a fun situation now, with update-initramfs again
[11:31] <xnox> yeah, it installs and fails to reboot.
[11:32] <xnox> in the jenkins test.
[11:32] <Kevin`_> I removed the kernel with + in the name from boot and /lib/modules etc
[11:32] <Kevin`_> but dpkg still thinks it has to rebuild it
[11:32] <Kevin`_> so it tries and fails, because it doesn't exist
[11:32] <Kevin`_> xnox: it boots just fine, the problem is just in initramfs-tools. although i'm not sure what would happen if you tried to initially install to it
[11:33] <Kevin`_> where's the list of kernels the system will try to rebuild the initrd for?
[11:33] <xnox> ok.
[11:34] <Kevin`_> http://pastebin.com/yzymVf7u - I have no luck at all
[11:37] <Kevin`_> answer: something in /var/lib/initramfs-tools. luckily it's a file so it's indexed as a file
[11:37] <Kevin`_> doing a full text search of the filesystem wouldn't have been fun :)
[11:40] <ogra_> Kevin`_, how did you remove that kernel ?
[11:41] <ogra_> (did you remove the exit 0 from update-initramfs before doing it ?)
[11:41] <Kevin`_> I installed it with "make install", so I removed it with "rm" :)
[11:41] <Kevin`_> yes
[11:41] <ogra_> aha
[11:41] <ogra_> well
[11:41] <ogra_> then you need to manually remove the state file that was put in place for initramfs-tools
[11:41] <ogra_> (that would have been dont by the package scripts usually)
[11:41] <ogra_> look in /var/lib/initramfs-tools/
[11:42] <ogra_> s/dont/done/
[11:44] <Kevin`_> in case you were wondering, my hack to make it work temporarily while waiting for someone to look at the bug: http://pastebin.com/8rnK9Baj
[15:52] <prpplague> fyi, we are taking feedback on a possible pandaboard-nc variant over on the mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/74b5c6cc761d2e3c#


[04:20] <mup> Bug #1876365 changed: host passthrough not working with KVMs <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876365>
[04:29] <mup> Bug #1876365 opened: host passthrough not working with KVMs <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876365>
[04:32] <mup> Bug #1876365 changed: host passthrough not working with KVMs <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876365>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1876365 opened: host passthrough not working with KVMs <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876365>
[04:41] <mup> Bug #1876365 changed: host passthrough not working with KVMs <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876365>


[01:04] <orangeninja> chibihogoshino you still here?
[01:04] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[01:05] <orangeninja> how do you start python in ubuntu? It is not in my applications list but it shows installed.
[01:05] <chibihogoshino> drop to a terminal and type python
[01:05] <orangeninja> ohh duh....ha ha
[01:06] <chibihogoshino> yeah its not gui
[01:07] <orangeninja> how would you save work?
[01:07] <chibihogoshino> i never really used that part of it
[01:07] <chibihogoshino> i just wrote the program in pico and saved it and then ran it on the command line
[01:09] <chibihogoshino> you can use any text editor tho ..
[01:10] <orangeninja> I guess that is what you have to do to save it maybe
[01:10] <chibihogoshino> you just save the file like a regular docuemnt
[01:12] <chibihogoshino> but it has to be basic text and not a doc or word file
[01:13] <orangeninja> what is the newest version?
[01:13] <chibihogoshino> 3
[01:13] <chibihogoshino> but 2.6 is good
[01:13] <chibihogoshino> when you get enter python it has the version at the top
[01:13] <orangeninja> yep, I got 2.6
[01:15] <chibihogoshino> thats what i used
[01:42] <orangeninja> sudo apt-get install idle
[01:42] <chibihogoshino> lol
[01:43] <orangeninja> lol,
[01:46] <chibihogoshino> sundays are more idle than most days for some reason
[01:52] <orangeninja> IDLE might help with your python programming unless you just want to do it in cli
[02:17] <vychune> hello?
[02:17] <chibihogoshino> hello vychune
[02:17] <wrst> hey vychune
[02:17] <chibihogoshino> orangeninja: iv tried idle and didnt like it
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> hi wrst
[02:18] <orangeninja> my bad then bro.
[02:18] <vychune> hey yall can yall help me with this
[02:18] <vychune> http://pastebin.com/wvMBHYPB
[02:20] <vychune> guys?
[02:21] <vychune> anyone?
[02:22] <orangeninja> I'm so new I don't even know what that is....lol
[02:23] <vychune> ok im trying to open software center and it wont open thats the output i get
[02:26] <chibihogoshino> thats odd vychune
[02:27] <chibihogoshino> i get the
[02:27] <chibihogoshino> WARNING:root:No styling hints for trinity were found... using Human hints.
[02:27] <chibihogoshino> too tho
[02:28] <vychune> yeah i expected that too but the no file error is what im worried about
[02:28] <chibihogoshino> did you change or update anything ?
[02:28] <vychune> im doing that a lot lately now actually
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> sudo apt-get install software-center
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> did you try that ?
[02:30] <vychune> i just thought to do that
[02:30] <vychune> ill do it when the update finishes
[02:31] <vychune> wonder what happened to wrst
[02:31]  * wrst eyes vychune
[02:31] <vychune> :)
[02:31] <vychune> what?
[02:32] <chibihogoshino> maybe you cant run software-center while a update is running
[02:32] <wrst> vychune: you got that opening software center?
[02:32] <wrst> i have ran software center while updating, even told it to download stuff it will just wait until the lock on apt clears
[02:33] <vychune> @wrst:yes i did sir @chibihogoshino not while an update was running
[02:33] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[02:35] <vychune> update's done running apt get line
[02:36] <vychune> software-center is already the newest version.
[02:36] <vychune> that is the output
[02:37] <wrst> vychune: that's certainly a new one
[02:37] <wrst> to me
[02:38] <vychune> lol
[02:38] <vychune> oh im using peppermint/xubuntu
[02:39] <orangeninja> brb
[02:39] <vychune> ? brb
[02:40] <wrst> hmm vychune
[02:41] <vychune> yeah this is a dozey
[02:41] <wrst> vychune: so you are running the actual peppermint distro?
[02:44] <vychune> kinda sorta
[02:45] <vychune> installed the xbuntu package
[02:46] <wrst> well from my understanding pepermint uses the linux mint software manager
[02:46] <wrst> what do you mean you installed the xubuntu package?
[02:47] <vychune> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:47] <wrst> ok gotcha well i'm not for sure because that's quite the "different" setup :)
[02:48] <vychune> well yeah
[02:49] <wrst> i don't but maybe the two software managers are messing with each other vychune? maybe try uninstalling the one you don't want to use
[02:49] <wrst> but peppermint looks to depart from ubuntu a lot so i'm not really for sure
[02:50] <vychune> brb
[02:50] <vychune> i know what that means now
[02:50] <vychune> so ill brb
[02:51] <vychune> ok im back
[02:51] <vychune> what if i reinstall?
[02:52] <vychune> ????????????
[02:52] <wrst> reinstall what?
[02:53] <vychune> Tell me why i just found Linux Mint Software Manager
[02:53] <wrst> ?
[02:53] <vychune> Ubuntu Software Center
[02:54] <wrst> i don't know i'm thinking the two may not work together so you will need to uninstall the one you don't need, but that's totally a guess
[02:54] <vychune> reinstall that but i guess i can use linux mints
[02:54] <vychune> right
[02:54] <wrst> yeah... or just install ubuntu :P
[02:55] <vychune> i have lucid on my second HD
[02:56] <wrst> solve a lot of those issues i think
[02:56] <vychune> lol
[02:56] <vychune> when natty comes out lol
[02:56] <wrst> i'm testing it right now
[02:56] <vychune> good?
[02:57] <wrst> yes its going pretty good i think
[02:57] <wrst> well vychune gotta go catch you later
[02:57] <vychune> whats a good bookeeping program?
[02:57] <vychune> oh ok me too later
[02:58] <wrst> vychune: gnucash possibly
[02:58] <wrst> nothing that competes with quickbooks though
[02:58] <vychune> oh yeah thanks
[02:58] <vychune> rolls eyes
[02:58] <wrst> that i know of there are some others that might be ok i will try to find them for you later
[02:58] <vychune> ok thanks
[02:58] <vychune> later
[02:58] <wrst> later
[03:15] <orangeninja> anybody still here?
[16:31] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: you around?
[16:31] <Dan9186[MM]> ok i've put on a little weight lately, but you don't have to go pointing it out to everyone
[16:35] <cyberanger> hehe
[16:35] <cyberanger> I've been working on a blog post for what you've been needing
[16:35] <cyberanger> for the ssh server
[16:36] <cyberanger> and should have a link tonight, if things go as planned
[16:37] <cyberanger> catching up on things from the convention I was just at, luckily there wasn't alot, just a few hours
[16:45] <Dan9186[MM]> sounds good
[16:45] <Dan9186[MM]> i like blog posts, they're usually easier to follow
[16:48] <cyberanger> well, usually might not apply here
[16:48] <cyberanger> I'm used to a one on one
[16:48] <cyberanger> thus why I help via irc
[16:48] <cyberanger> not the wiki
[16:49] <cyberanger> but I'm giving it a shot
[16:57] <cyberanger> I'm just the type that tailors help to the issue, blog posts gotta be somewhat generic
[16:57] <cyberanger> by comparison
[18:47]  * chibihogoshino tweets: test
[19:36] <Dan9186[MM]> cyberanger: well give it your all, and hopefully i'll be able to glean something from it :P
[20:56] <Xpistos> Hey yal
[20:56] <Xpistos> Anybody got a windows 7 product key they aren't using?
[20:57] <wrst> cyberanger: ? ^^^^ ;)
[20:57] <Xpistos> My wife has to have it for a VM so she can run windows for work
[20:57] <Xpistos> and she only needs it for office 2007
[20:57] <Xpistos> it is rediculous
[20:58] <Xpistos> all my boxes have xp and vista codes
[20:58] <Xpistos> now wn7
[20:58] <wrst> Xpistos: how about office 2007 and wine?
[20:58] <Xpistos> no good
[20:58] <Xpistos> there are issues
[20:58] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: you want a unlocked HTC Kaiser ?
[20:58] <Xpistos> in crossover there are issues
[20:59] <Xpistos> this is making em absolutely crazy
[20:59] <Xpistos> I hear her compaining all weekend
[20:59] <wrst> Xpistos: i have used it with just wine, but not a lot
[20:59] <Xpistos> I say I have xp and vista, but noooooooo
[20:59] <Xpistos> they have to have win7
[21:00] <wrst> why win 7 if its just for office 2007? that's crazy
[21:02] <Xpistos> they want win7 and office 2007
[21:02] <Xpistos> office 2007 i have like a volume license for
[21:02] <Xpistos> windows 7 - nada
[21:02] <Xpistos> bubkis
[21:02] <Xpistos> zilch
[21:03] <Xpistos> squatah
[21:03] <Xpistos> oxi
[21:03] <Xpistos> (that is Greek for no)
[21:08] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: ever heard of removewat ?
[21:08] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: that might help you get that VM going
[21:09] <pace_t_zulu> it may be outdated though
[21:09] <Xpistos> removewat?
[21:12] <Xpistos> pisses me off. i got copies of everything except the thing they say she must have to run the stuff I have
[21:12] <Xpistos> retarded
[21:14] <Xpistos> I will check it out
[21:14] <Xpistos> thanks pace_t_zulu
[21:14] <pace_t_zulu> google it
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: i think it is outdated... but there must be some sort of successor out there
[21:16] <Xpistos> I will find it.


[01:39] <nt0> has anybody had success installing node.js v13 in 20.04?
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[12:11] <TJ-> Was there a transition from python 3.7 to 3.8 recently? seeing a 20.04 host with several packages marked as local install, e.g. libpython3.7.7-1 but cannot find a source for it via packages.{ubuntu,debian}
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> python3:
[12:12] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 3.8.2-0ubuntu1
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> checking dpkg logs
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: on 2020-03-09
[12:37] <TJ-> it turns out it came from debian experimental or testing
[20:10] <loru> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to install php and its dependencies. There's almost everything on php 7.3, for example php7.3-json, but when i try and install php-geoip, i have php7.4-geoip (and other dependencies as 7.4)
[20:10] <loru> Should I expect 7.4 or 7.3 with focal?
[20:11] <nacc> loru: there is a transition ongoing to 7.4
[20:11] <nacc> loru: php-defaults hasn't migrated yet (i believe) but will soon?
[20:11] <loru> Alright
[20:11] <loru> I hope it'll be okay, my whole code is on 7.3 I hope not much is going to break :(
[20:11] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.4
[20:12] <oerheks> reinstall to 7.43 ?
[20:12] <loru> 7.43? lol
[21:57] <longstride> Hey guys, looking for some insight.  I have a few games I play in Ubuntu and the experience is flawless in 18.04.  I play Minecraft with BSL shaders, and Factorio through Steam.  In 20.04 I have some issues, basically some minor screen tearing and the camera pan in Minecraft just isn't as buttery smooth as in 18.04
[21:57] <longstride> Now is this something that just goes away once 20.04 is officially released?  If it works in an older version, it should technically work in the newer version as well, right?
[22:28] <Bashing-om> loru: In progress as you speak: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1869087 .


[01:41] <nixternal> man is it warm in Chicago tonight
[01:42]  * Hobbsee dumps ice on nixternal
[01:45] <nixternal> no doubt..I just went outside and messed around in the yard with the dog, and I started to sweat...totally unheard of
[01:45] <nixternal> we have severe weather tonight turning into yet another snow storm tomorrow
[01:45]  * nixternal throws a snowball at jjesse
[03:39] <nixternal> Riddell: are we going to apply for GSoC this year?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> he's probably way asleep by now....
[03:40] <nixternal> oh I know, but when he wakes up he can respond :)
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> but I hope so! I want to do a project :)
[04:22] <yuriy> nixternal: idea page is in the topic, i would think that's a yes
[04:40] <ScottK> Debian is doing it.  You could always apply through Debian and then Kubuntu gets it too.
[04:43] <ScottK> Any of you see my mail to kubuntu-devel?
[04:45] <nixternal> the qt3 email?
[04:46] <ScottK> Yeah
[04:46] <ScottK> More precisely the please test my mountconfig changes in my PPA email.
[04:46] <nixternal> I would need KDE 3.5.9 to test that right?
[04:47] <ScottK> KDE3 something.
[04:47] <ScottK> Yeah.
[04:47] <nixternal> guess I would have to install KDE 3 then
[04:47] <ScottK> You're probably no help then.
[04:47] <nixternal> since I just accidentally wiped it
[04:47] <ScottK> Bah.
[04:47] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:47]  * ScottK will just upload the changes next week.
[04:47] <nixternal> oh wait, I still have KDE 3 on this laptop
[04:47] <nixternal> how do I go about testing mountconfig
[04:47] <nixternal> I forget about this laptop still having KDE 3
[04:48] <ScottK2> Install be version from my PPA (linkage in the mail) and run mountconfig.  See if it works OK for you.
[04:48] <nixternal> roger that
[04:52] <nixternal> OK, before I install this, I just ran mountconfig and it opened the Disks & Filesystems window
[04:52] <nixternal> will I notice any difference between the old and new?
[04:52] <ScottK2> If you do, it's a problem.  It should be just the same.
[04:52] <nixternal> survey says
[04:53] <nixternal> its the same
[04:53] <nixternal> so I guess it works then
[04:53] <nixternal> but it worked for me prior to the update
[04:53] <nixternal> don't know how good of a test case I was
[04:54] <ScottK2> Right, but the package you just tested removed some code that was driving bogus changes in the Py QT3 package.
[04:54] <nixternal> gotcha
[04:54] <ScottK2> So it's not a change to fix mountconfig but to allow me to fix Py QT3
[04:54] <nixternal> Guidance has never worked for me anyways
[04:54] <ScottK2> It does well enough for me in Gutsy/Hardy.  Feisty wasn't so fun.
[04:55] <nixternal> it did work for me a long time ago, maybe Edgy, but all of the dist-upgrades since then and has been useless
[04:55] <ScottK2> BTW, I read the MC call minutes.  Did Kmos make a new LP account for himself?
[04:55] <nixternal> reports 2 batteries, doesn't do CPU scaling or show my CPU speed
[04:55] <nixternal> ya he did
[04:55] <ScottK2> Someone turned him in?
[04:56] <nixternal> someone noticed the similarities
[04:56] <nixternal> and then he set himself out with one of his commits under the other account
[04:56] <ScottK2> On my Dell D430 the battery/cpu stuff is perfect.
[04:56] <ScottK2> I'm not suprised.
[04:56] <nixternal> I am sure there is a configuration somewhere that stuck between dist-upgrades during development cycles
[04:56] <ScottK2> Actually I predicted that if he made a new account it'd be noticed before long.
[04:57] <nixternal> he committed an example of the end of pbuilder and it had his gothicx shell info in it
[04:57] <nixternal> what a moron
[04:57] <nixternal> he has me so pissed off it isn't even funny
[04:58] <crimsun_> nixternal: 2 batteries seems like hal and not guidance*.
[04:59] <ScottK> Well he's staying out of my bugmail, so I'm happy.  Glad it's you on the MC and not me.
[04:59] <nixternal> I swore I looked at hal and it was OK
[04:59] <ScottK2> He seems to managing to stay out of my bugmail, so I'm happy.
[04:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:59] <nixternal> wrong button?
[04:59] <nixternal> must be switching puters
[04:59] <crimsun_> note that hardy's current hal has fixed that but has introduced regressions in power reporting.  I have posted test fixes with ~3 at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/hal/ .  This affects #194052 and #194719.
[04:59] <ScottK> No.  I typed the ScottK2 comment on my laptop about 30 seconds before and gave up on IRC through it.
[05:00] <ScottK> Laggy as heck.
[05:01] <nixternal> is there a simple package that will give me xorg and what not for ubuntu-server
[05:01] <nixternal> don't want any de stuff as I will build it from trunk/
[05:01] <ScottK> My standard ubuntu-server answer is as soon as you install X, it's not a server any more.
[05:02] <nixternal> well I use server for my KDE 4 builds so I don't get all of that old qt3 stuff and kde3 apps
[05:02] <ScottK> Makes sense.    Yet the damn applet keeps popping up and switching languages.
[09:10] <Tonio_> hi
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the translation for kde apps just broke
[09:10] <Tonio_> it only concerns the menu bar, are you aware of the problem ?
[09:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: no idea
[09:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: maybe bug 196106 ?
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106
[09:18] <Riddell> 08:58 < carlos> pitti: it's related with some data migration when we added native kde plural forms support
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: same bug looks like....... I'll investigate toonight
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki
[09:26]  * hunger had to log out again to get his keyboard settings back.
[10:11] <Hub441> hi!
[10:14] <Hub441> is there any reason why there is no fix for a simple packaging mistake for almost 5month now? see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146145
[10:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,Fix released]
[10:17] <Tm_T> Hub441: "fix released" ?
[10:18] <Hub441> Tm_T: fixed released for hardy not for gutsy
[10:18] <Tm_T> interesting
[10:19] <Hub441> Tm_T: i appreaciate the efforts the dev took to update the package between the last rc and the final release but doing a packaging mistake and not fixing it any more just.. well, sucks
[10:26] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[10:26] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[10:27] <kwwii> _StefanS_: pong
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: finally :)
[10:29] <kwwii> I looked for you last night...was gone most of sat
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh, I was having some friends over last night, so I werent online
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh well, do you want me to email the settings to you?
[10:30] <kwwii> _StefanS_: can't you commit them yourself?
[10:30] <_StefanS_> kwwii: to bzr? yes maybe I can
[10:31] <kwwii> _StefanS_: to be honest, it has been awhile since I commited anything to that package...I'd probably ask a Riddell or someone as well :-)
[10:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I just thought that you maybe was going approve it before it got comitted
[10:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii: what about the wallpaper, does it need adjustments besides that you did initially?
[10:36]  * apachelogger is super informed about any package
[10:36] <apachelogger> omg, coffee on the keyboard
[10:36]  * apachelogger starts crying
[10:36] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I think that it is quite light, but I like it
[10:36] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: keep typing until its dry :)
[10:36] <kwwii> _StefanS_: we should probably talk about these changes at the next meeting
[10:36] <kwwii> get some feedback
[10:37] <_StefanS_> kwwii: err.. so you want me commit them to k-d-s and then activate after the meeting?
[10:37] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: just don't push the changes until post-meeting
[10:38] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: alright..
[10:39] <_StefanS_> be back in 30mins
[10:40] <kwwii> _StefanS_: branch the package, commit your changes, push them...add this as in item for the next meeting
[10:53]  * serega waves
[11:05] <serega> darn, kubuntu-kde4 is very good!
[11:07] <_StefanS_> serega: how is it good ? - just curious
[11:08] <serega> _StefanS_: it is really promising, imho
[11:08] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[11:09] <_StefanS_> serega: does the search in the kde4 kickoff menu work for you? my session crashes
[11:09] <_StefanS_> serega: when using it
[11:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:11] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: is there a bug report?
[11:11] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: uhm I'm still investigating it, I just saw the bug now
[11:11] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: err.. now it works
[11:11]  * apachelogger likes it when other people track down issues :P
[11:12] <apachelogger> nice
[11:13] <serega> _StefanS_: didn't try to search. I can just boot it at laptop and answer any your questions
[11:14] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: well its not a crash... its a looong wait. It happens if you're too impatient when logging in. I start typing search keywords in kickoff before the startup sound is done playing. It will hang for 40-50 secs
[11:15] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: guess its just a matter of some services not being all ready
[11:18] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: actually, I think this is a very deep going issue
[11:18] <apachelogger> for some reason knotify can't be started at login
[11:19] <apachelogger> ...first try...
[11:19] <_StefanS_> ah
[11:19] <apachelogger> and I think the reason for knotify being unstartable is exactly the same source of this search problem
[11:19] <_StefanS_> hmm might be
[11:20] <_StefanS_> ah well.. its probably something that will be looked at in the future, if its something deeper
[11:20] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: anyway, that kubuntu-kde4 package, is that on ppa?
[11:21] <serega> very strange... numerous read errors on laptop, I can't boot :-\
[11:21] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: dunno, but considering stdin didn't backport, and I didn't backport either recently ... I doubt it
[11:21] <_StefanS_> serega: maybe your harddrive is b0rked
[11:21] <serega> _StefanS_: thanks god no :) CD read errors
[11:21] <apachelogger> ktorrent is also out-of-date in the ppa
[11:22] <serega> it can be a kernel issue
[11:23] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: hmm what is that SKIM thingy that appeared on the recent kde3 update?
[11:26] <hunger> _StefanS_: input method applet for strange languages.
[11:26] <hunger> s/strange/east asian/. Sorry.
[11:27] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: what defines a strange language ? :D
[11:28] <hunger> _StefanS_: strange as in "with more characters than can comfortably fit on a keyboad".
[11:30] <apachelogger> ^_^
[11:32] <hunger> Anyway that skim thingy is highly annoying.
[11:32] <_StefanS_> yep, its gone now.
[11:32] <_StefanS_> from my machine atleast
[11:32] <hunger> _StefanS_: How did you do that?
[11:32] <_StefanS_> apt-get remove
[11:33] <hunger> I did that as well... but it still pops up occassionally. Only stopped after logging out/in.
[11:33] <hunger> s/pops/poped/
[12:00] <serega> does anybody know how to fix such situation? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/925905
[12:02] <Hobbsee> serega: what happens if you try to apply kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff manually?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> and why do you want to reverse patch it, anyway?
[12:03] <serega> Hobbsee: Hi, Sarah.
[12:03] <serega> Hobbsee: I just want do perform debuild -S
[12:04] <serega> Hobbsee: I wonder why debuild tries to reverse all patches
[12:04] <Hobbsee> serega: i see that.  your patch is broken.  is it already applied?
[12:05] <serega> Hobbsee: I did no changes in source, the only changes in ./debian/sime_script
[12:05] <serega> *some
[12:06] <Hobbsee> does that modify what the script then modifies?
[12:08] <serega> Hobbsee: not sure I follow you... The script is just for installing to target system it is not for package building/installation.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> serega: can you put the source somewhere?
[12:10] <serega> Hobbsee: sure. But it will be ok if you make 'apt-get source kaffeine' and update that script and kaffeine. Current broken state of the package is the result of some my faulty actions.
[12:10] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:11] <Hobbsee> so the rest of the package doesn't need fixing.  don't worry then
[12:11] <serega> Hobbsee: if this is not common problem of newbies I can just refresh the source and dig into manuals
[12:12] <serega> Hobbsee: thank you for your attention
[12:12] <Hobbsee> patches don't tend to break, unless you do things to the directories they patch
[12:12] <Hobbsee> no problem
[12:49] <_StefanS_> anyone know if file deletion in ext4 is faster than ext3?
[13:24] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I saw your question about my Klamav patch the other day, but haven't seen you since.
[13:25] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I sort of got it to work, but could use some more help if you have the time.
[13:26] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I pinged you a few times :) anyway, what do you need help with ?
[13:27] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I got the U/I looking like I wanted it.  The problem I have is that if you try and enable automatic update or if you have it (or the removed autoscanning function) enabled from a previous version, klamav will crash.
[13:27] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I never had any luck with getting a nostrip version to produce a useful traceback.
[13:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: like previously, make a screenshot of where the automatic update is
[13:28] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I was wondering if you would have another look at it and see if you can point me in the right direction (or maybe make a traceback I can use).
[13:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I will have a look tonight
[13:28] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Will do.  Is there an email address I can send this screenshot too?
[13:29] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Thanks again.  I really appreciate the help.
[13:29] <_StefanS_> ScottK: its no problem :)
[13:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I like these small things
[13:30] <ScottK> Small maybe for someone with the right knowledge ...
[13:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw, I'm a bit puzzled as to why 'use export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip' and debuild after that, dont make you see the lines in the krash dialog (?!)
[13:30]  * ScottK too.
[13:31] <ScottK> I'm suspecting I lacked another debug package for KDE, but I'm not sure.
[13:32] <_StefanS_> uhm, you should see the symbols anyways.. but we can always look at that another time
[13:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw I need the download url again for the dget
[13:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK: so I'll be working with your patched package
[13:33] <ScottK> _StefanS_: It's the one in Hardy.  I uploaded it to make U/I freeze
[13:33] <ScottK> Bad me, I know.
[13:34] <_StefanS_> hehe
[13:34] <_StefanS_> thats fine
[13:34] <_StefanS_> (for me atleast)
[13:35] <ScottK> This has the added bonus of forcing me to actually get this worked out.
[13:35] <_StefanS_> yes, and you can always just pretend you're working overtime on something important for your work ;)
[13:36] <_StefanS_> to get time off from the kids + wife hehe
[13:52] <jjesse> morning
[13:52] <Jucato> moin jjesse!
[13:54] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[13:54] <nareshov> heh
[13:54] <Jucato> yay! he didn't mistake me for jussi01!
[13:54]  * jussi01 whacks Jucato
[13:54] <jussi01> I still got hilighted...
[13:54] <jussi01> LOL
[13:54] <Jucato> that was my intention :)
[13:55] <nareshov> :P
[13:55] <jjesse> :P
[14:00]  * ryanakca wonders if Kubuntu has a color palette
[14:01]  * ryanakca wonders using the oxygen one for the website
[14:01] <Jucato> ryanakca: we seem to change color palettes every release anyway :)
[14:02] <ryanakca> Jucato: I know... *wonders what the hardy one is*
[14:02]  * ryanakca doesn't think he's used KDE3 since early january :)
[14:03] <Jucato> heh
[14:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: we don't, oxygen one is good
[14:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[14:13] <aos101> I've put a patch on the KDE bug tracker for bug 93878.  It's only a minor GUI bug, but do you think it could make it into Hardy or is it not worth it for something so minor?
[14:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93878 in kdeadmin "The "up" and "down" buttons in the DNS configuration have very low quality icons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93878
[14:16] <Riddell> hi aos101
[14:16] <Riddell> that should be fine
[14:16] <Riddell> the best fix is to not to embedded images but use the normal icon loader but that's a KDE 4 job (if the issue is still relevant there)
[14:18] <aos101> Yeah I thought it would be better if it would use the icon from the current theme also, but I didn't know how to do that.  Presumably that would involve some code instead of just changing the .ui file.
[14:19] <aos101> Do I need to do anything or will someone upload the change sometime?  (I'm a bit new to all this)
[14:21] <Riddell> aos101: I'm uploading it now
[14:22] <Riddell> aos101: or I can take you through making a debdiff if you want the launchpad karma
[14:23] <aos101> I'm not bothered either way.  I've played with debdiffs a little before, and I think they're fairly straight forward.
[14:23] <aos101> Whatever is easier for you guys really.
[14:26] <Riddell> aos101: I'll just upload then, thanks
[14:27] <Riddell> there she goes
[14:27] <aos101> Cool, thanks.  I'm just glad to see my (very simple) fix make into the OS I use :-)
[14:45] <Riddell> so dudes, what do we want on our CD covers?
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> I think the should have "kubuntu" on it:)
[14:47] <sebas> THey won't do naked girls again, I suppose?
[14:47] <davmor2> Riddell: A background image ;)
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> sebas» they'd probably do naked dragons....
[14:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: is our moto the same as the Ubuntu one? I'd pass on having people's faces on them (like Ubuntu has every year). Also, if I'm not mistaken, we've had a gear on them since 6.06 (no way of verifying, I gave all my CDs away), so maybe try something different?
[14:51]  * ScottK would suggest a Kubuntuized version of some of the KDE4 promotion artwork.
[14:51]  * ScottK thought some of that was pretty good.
[14:51] <ryanakca> ScottK: yeah
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> can we have a screenshot of a kde4 desktop for the kde4 one?.... thats more beautiful than any artwork :)
[14:56] <ryanakca> For the website. Should a, a:visited be darker, lighter; lighter, darker; or same color? Colors are pulled from http://www.oxygen-icons.org/wp-content/themes/oxy/images/figure4.png . darker = 6th row, 2nd from right on Normal. lighter = 6th row, furthest right on Normal
[14:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: I'd use default web colours unless there's a reason not to
[15:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: if I'm not mistaken, different browsers might have slightly different default colors for links. Also, a:visited as purple (IE jumps to mind) would clash with our pretty blue :)
[15:01] <davmor2> Riddell: why not turn Konq into nessie for the cover :)
[15:01] <ryanakca> lol
[15:04] <Jussio1> apachelogger: hei, you around?
[15:04]  * Jussio1 is playing with quassel
[15:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you OK with what I proposed on kubuntu-devel for mountconfig and Py QT3 (assuming no one reports problems)?
[15:06] <Riddell> hi ScottK, thanks for looking into that, let me read it over again
[15:08] <ScottK> I didn't mention it in the mail, but I'll take care of Debian/upstream bug reporting too.
[15:08] <apachelogger> Jucato: ahoy
[15:08] <Jucato> oy! :)
[15:08] <Riddell> ScottK: does anything use kdedesigner?
[15:08] <jpatrick> apachelogger: try Jussio1
[15:09] <Jussio1> lol
[15:09] <apachelogger> hm
[15:09] <apachelogger> Jussio1: sup?
[15:09] <apachelogger> Jucato: how are you?
[15:09] <Jucato> :D
[15:09] <Jucato> doing ok. except for the fact that Jussio1/jussi01 and I are mostly mistaken for each other :)
[15:09] <Jussio1> apachelogger: are you one of the quassel devs, or just packager/maintainer?
[15:10] <apachelogger> Jucato: huh, who does do such things?
[15:10] <Jucato> :D
[15:10] <apachelogger> Jussio1: just packag0r
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> #quassel is VERY helpful
[15:11] <Jussio1> nosrednaekim: tanks, just joined
[15:11]  * apachelogger is pushing a new neon builds
[15:12] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: pffft, that sounds like I wasn't helpful :P
[15:12] <Jussio1> apachelogger: ahh, ok, just had a small bug or 2
[15:12] <apachelogger> uhh, they probably are features :P
[15:12] <Jussio1> lol
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Not as far as I can tell.
[15:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I grepped the source for references to it and didn't find any.
[15:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Since upstream doesn't have the same -dev package splits we do, I doubt they ever notice.
[15:19] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead then
[15:20] <ryanakca> hmm, for a cheesy CD cover, we could have a pretty semi see through globe, made in KDE colors, and have a heron flying across it...
[15:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Will do (after the Alpha).
[15:20] <Riddell> alpha?
[15:20] <ScottK> The Alpha 6 milestone sched for Thursday.
[15:21] <ScottK> I figure on waiting until that to do it since I'm touching two packages in Main for non-alpha milestoned bugs.
[15:21]  * ryanakca crunches so that we can get the website at about the same time as release
[15:21] <Riddell> oh jings, we're onto two week alpha
[15:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: that'll need coordination with sysadmin
[15:22] <ryanakca> Release is the last Thursday of April, correct?
[15:22] <davmor2> Riddell: ah yes :)
[15:22] <Riddell>  April 24th
[15:22] <davmor2> thursday alpha 6 :)
[15:23] <ScottK> OTOH, since I just updated my Hardy laptop displayconfig crashes for me, so I can actually work on that one and may have something before the alpha for that.
[15:23] <Riddell> ScottK: well   I"developers are asked to refrain from
[15:23] <Riddell> uploading packages between Tuesday and Thursday"
[15:23] <Riddell> so quick quick!
[15:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, it won't be up the day of release, because the sysadmins are going crazy with the increase of traffic, etc. But I'm hoping within a week of release. If I can get it done soon, I can tarball the document root, run a mysql dump and send it to them for whenever they get a chance to install it.
[15:24] <ScottK> Hopefully tonight.  I'm about to head out for a $WORK Meeting.
[15:24] <davmor2> Riddell: It's amazing how quickly this release cycle is going...
[15:25] <ryanakca> worse comes to worse they only put it up after UDS, but I can live with that too :)
[15:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: week before would be better if possible
[15:25] <Riddell> davmor2: I agree!
[15:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies. The theming part is done I think... I'm just looking for things that might be leftover from ubuntu.com ... if you know of somebody who wants to help port content, that would be helpful :)
[15:27] <Riddell> must of the content can be consolidated
[15:27] <Riddell> much
[15:27] <ryanakca> ?
[15:28] <Riddell> I think the new package announcements can all go on one page
[15:29] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/effects/ - new version as requested by nosrednaekim
[15:32] <Riddell> ooh, thanks jpatrick
[15:33] <Riddell> uploaded
[15:34] <jpatrick> awesome, thanks
[15:47]  * jpatrick is off till... his ISP brings back his connection
[15:56] <TommyH> hallo everybody! congrats for the work! As soon as I'll have some time, I'll try to help you if it's needed
[15:57] <Riddell> hi TommyH!
[15:57] <TommyH> :-)
[15:58] <TommyH> don't know if I can help... I coded in C, now mostly php-asp... once upon a time, ASM...
[16:34] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:35] <manchicken> http://manchicken.com/gallery/albums/userpics/hpim0167_resized.jpg
[16:36] <manchicken> Oh yeah.
[16:37] <Riddell> manchicken: blog it!
[16:37] <Riddell> that child is going to be so embarraced in 15 years time :)
[16:37] <manchicken> Will do.
[16:38] <manchicken> No way.  Kubuntu is nothing to be ashamed of.
[16:38] <davmor2> Riddell: that or in your job :)
[16:43] <nixternal> manchicken: I should take a picture of me wearing that same outfit :)
[16:43] <nixternal> groovy pic
[16:44] <manchicken> heh
[16:44] <manchicken> It are blogged.
[16:51] <Riddell> manchicken: wherever did you get that?
[16:51] <ryanakca> manchicken: you're missing a y to gallery in your post.
[16:52] <nixternal> Riddell: probably cafepress
[16:52] <manchicken> Am I?
[16:52] <manchicken> Yeah, I got it from cafepress
[16:54] <manchicken> found it, fixed it.
[16:54] <ryanakca> lol, common sense is an obsolete skill :)
[17:23] <Riddell> hunger: does anything use libdecibel0.6.0 except decibel and kdenetwork?
[17:26] <hunger> Riddell: I doubt it.
[17:26] <hunger> Riddell: I would be surprised if kdenetwork used it already.
[17:27] <Riddell> ./CMakeLists.txt:macro_optional_find_package(Decibel)
[17:28] <Riddell> "Used by the Kopete telepathy protocol."
[17:28] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, didn't know that.
[17:29] <nixternal> Riddell: have you seen the Decibel FTBFS we have in Hardy right now?
[17:29] <nixternal> for some reason we attempted to sync from Debian
[17:30] <hunger> Riddell: I'd just disable decibel in kde 4.0.x in your place.
[17:30] <hunger> Riddell: It is not offically supported there.
[17:30] <Riddell> nixternal: yeah, I'm looking at that now
[17:31] <hunger> Riddell: If somebody complains (which I doubt) you can send them over to #decibel;-)
[17:32] <nixternal> Riddell: I was looking at it and it was giving me a headache
[17:33] <nixternal> I thought the original package installed normally and didn't do the KDE4 install
[17:33] <serega> Riddell: Hey, Jonathan. I have found that the kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff patch of kaffeine is -p1 and it breaks package build in some cases (on clean). Should I fix it?
[17:33] <Riddell> original package?
[17:33] <hunger> Riddell: The kde4 integration had a problem for a while.... maybe that is killing you? Try setting INTEGRATION_OVERRIDE_DIR to simplistic to fix it.
[17:34] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I did the initial package for decibel last year I thought..though I might be thinking of something else
[17:34] <hunger> s/fix/work around/.
[17:34] <Riddell> hunger: what does that do?
[17:34] <Riddell> serega: I would expect the problem is the added translation domain lines
[17:34] <hunger> It turns off kde4 integration in favour of using the simplistic file based stuff.
[17:35] <hunger> If the package is older than a couple of weeks that this is the problem, then kde4 and simplistic will not differ anyway;-)
[17:35] <hunger> s/that/and/
[17:36]  * hunger is heading home... see you later/tomorrow.
[17:36] <Riddell> thanks hunger
[17:41]  * Riddell hugs kde 4.0.2 for fixing kded4 and the konsole control-q annoying thing
[17:42] <Riddell> hmm, control-s control-q thing is still there
[18:06] <serega> Riddell: can I fix all such patch warnings? (Hunk #1 succeeded at 2859 (offset 96 lines).
[18:10] <serega> Riddell: what the changelog entry should be if I can?
[18:14] <Riddell> serega: I tend not to bother but you can if it annoys you, I'm not sure of the easiest way to do it, maybe just cdbs-edit-patch
[18:15] <Riddell> changelog is just "rebuild patches" or similar
[18:15] <serega> Riddell: thank you
[18:28] <Riddell> nixternal: I've uploaded a quick fix that doesn't include the kde bits
[18:29] <Riddell> I don't think there's an easy way to do anything else
[18:29] <Riddell> installing to /usr/lib/kde4 would be an option but it didn't want to compile forme
[18:32] <nixternal> Riddell: same here
[18:32] <nixternal> issue with QtTapioca right?
[18:34] <nixternal> I think the only way I got it to compile for installation into /usr/lib/kde4 was I commented out DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX, hard coded the paths up top
[18:34] <nixternal> or maybe it was something with RPATH in the CMake files...can't remember now
[18:37] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[18:38] <Riddell> doesn't link to QtTapioca even though it is told to
[18:38] <nixternal> ya, I couldn't figure that one out
[19:18] <serega> god, cdbs-edit-patch rocks! this are MUCH easier with it :)
[19:19] <Riddell> it can be handy yes
[19:20] <Riddell> pitti is the one to hug there
[19:22]  * serega hugs pitti strongly
[20:05] <hunger> ho
[20:06] <DaSkreech> yo
[20:06] <jussi01> hunger: now now you shouldnt go round calling people that :P
[20:07] <hunger> jussi01: ?
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Matt stil rubbing raw on Decibel?
[20:07] <hunger> DaSkreech: I guess so:-)
[20:07] <hunger> But I have not seen a reply to my mail from this morning yet.
[20:08] <DaSkreech> It's kinda tricky though since it's a shared process if you have already gotten over the pain it's little utility to port right now
[20:08] <hunger> DaSkreech: you go round spending lots of time building a cool and and then there shows up some guy and says he'll do everything differently;-)
[20:08] <DaSkreech> a cool what? :)
[20:08] <DaSkreech> Cause that can be from Matt's point of view as well
[20:08] <hunger> a cool chat app. Sorry.
[20:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know Sho is having the same issue as well
[20:09] <DaSkreech> What's the groovy goodness for him to port Konversation to Decibel
[20:09] <hunger> Anyway, I have been telling about the app starting and filtering and stuff at two akademies now, so it is nothing new.
[20:09] <seele> DaSkreech: you pinged me?
[20:09] <DaSkreech> seele: All the time :)
[20:09] <seele> hey now, hehe
[20:09] <seele> whats up
[20:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: The greater good. What else?
[20:10] <DaSkreech> seele: Wanted to kontinue the diskkusion on kard sorting
[20:10] <DaSkreech> When you have time :-)
[20:13] <seele> what did you want to know?
[20:13] <DaSkreech> Do I have to limit it?
[20:13] <seele> well i'm not an ebook!
[20:13] <DaSkreech> seele: since you seem to be in mix of eternal busy do you have any links?
[20:13] <DaSkreech> mmm eBook
[20:14] <DaSkreech> seele: not with DRM at least :)
[20:15] <DaSkreech> We are being asked at work to do some Govt FOSS training
[20:15] <DaSkreech> I'm wondering if Card sorting might help
[20:15] <seele> card sorting of what?  training topics?
[20:16] <DaSkreech> Well they are a) kinda dumb when it comes to IT and b) of really varied jobs so that we may need to figure out the expectations they have
[20:17] <DaSkreech> From what you described I think that may be helpful for us
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Most of our training is more short term so I was interested in card sorting but didn't have a grasp of where we would use it in out workflow
[20:20] <DaSkreech> They asked us to train on Openoffice and "open Source Adminstration" for front and backend
[20:20] <seele> what is it exactly you are doing?
[20:20] <DaSkreech> So I don't know what they want I don't know if they do either
[20:20] <seele> i'm not sure i see where card sorting fits in.
[20:21] <seele> what are you building/designing?
[20:21] <DaSkreech> me either :)
[20:21] <DaSkreech> seele: systems for differnt depts
[20:22] <DaSkreech> No idea what for yet
[20:22] <DaSkreech> We do FOSS consultation for companies which need a better workflow or cheaper solutions
[20:23] <DaSkreech> so we build things to go along with or strengthen the organizations workflow
[20:23] <DaSkreech> Normally that comes along with training
[20:24] <DaSkreech> this is perhaps the first time I can think of us being called in to do training and then later build a system
[20:25] <seele> so do you need help organizing the training?  card sorting is sortof a librarian method to help organize stuff
[20:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, just sent you the updated buttons
[20:29] <DaSkreech> well I was thinking of the way of splitting the groups into training classes based on what they need to learn
[20:31] <ryanakca> woah, KDE4 is slow all of a sudden
[20:33] <DaSkreech> seele: Plus I'm kinda just interested in having it explained :)
[20:36] <jussi01> ryanakca: all of a sudden? its always been slow here :(
[20:39] <ryanakca> jussi01: hmmm... I guess uninstalling a program while its still running wasn't so good an idea :)
[20:42] <fdoving> ryanakca: check if kded4 uses alot of cpu. i find that nepomuk server is a cpu hog sometimes.
[20:44] <ryanakca> fdoving: konsole is using the most CPU, 5.3%
[20:44] <fdoving> oh. that's not much.
[20:44] <ryanakca> however, Xorg and kwin are using lots of MEM. 13.2% and 11.9% respectively
[20:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: oooh, I see. that ugly grey box in KDE4 is because compositing was off :)
[20:46] <fdoving> ryanakca: my kwin only use 57M. or 0.8% of 2G.
[20:47] <ryanakca> fdoving: lol, I only have 512M of ram, so 11.9% of 512M... about 43M
[20:47] <fdoving> oh, not that much then.
[20:47] <fdoving> go buy more, it's not that expensive now.
[20:48] <DaSkreech> seele: if you are uplater I can try and poke atta you
[20:48] <DaSkreech> assuming the money market is flat
[20:48] <ryanakca> fdoving: my net worth is < 600$... I've only recently turned the legal working age over here... I'm going to go job hunting next week, so I guess I'll be able to get more ram in a few weeks :)
[20:49] <fdoving> ryanakca: nice :)
[20:49] <fdoving> 1G is way better than 512. that's a noticeable upgrade, imho.
[20:50]  * ryanakca nods. I think I can get 2x1G for ~ 125$
[20:50] <fdoving> 1G - 2G is not that much a difference. only thing i've noticed is that hibernation is slower. :)
[20:50] <ryanakca> hmm...
[20:51] <ryanakca> okies :)
[20:51] <nixternal> Riddell: should the new extragear package be renamed to libksane-kde4-x.x.x?
[20:51]  * ryanakca debates on going for XHTML 1.0 Strict or HTML 4.01 Strict
[20:52] <DaSkreech> btw are we divorcing KATE in KDE4 ?
[20:52] <nixternal> no
[20:52]  * DaSkreech hugs kate :)
[20:52] <nixternal> why would we do such a thing?
[20:52]  * jussi01 huggles kate
[20:53] <nixternal> Kate is the greatest
[20:53] <DaSkreech> It's no longer KDE4's default text editor
[20:53] <ryanakca> whats the default? kwrite?
[20:53] <nixternal> just like konqi isn't the default file manager
[20:53]  * DaSkreech puts ina vote for Katie ;)
[20:53] <nixternal> simplicity was chosen for default
[20:53]  * nosrednaekim <3 KATE
[20:53] <nixternal> and kate moved from base to kdesdk
[20:54] <Riddell> nixternal: we don't seem to have an existing libksane package, so I don't much mind
[20:55] <nixternal> OK, just wanted to make sure first
[21:52] <serega> goodnight all
[21:59] <nixternal> note to self: when creating new KDE 4 packages, remember to not forget cmake in the build-depends
[22:04]  * ScottK boggles.
[22:04] <ScottK> We moved from Kate to Kwrite for simplicity?
[22:05] <nixternal> looks like it...for simple text editing, all anyone needs is KWrite
[22:05] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Define We
[22:05] <nixternal> those who are doing coding and what not will open up Kate
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> eh.. what?
[22:05] <nixternal> Kate has become a little stronger in KDE 4 than it was in KDE 3
[22:05] <nixternal> s/stronger/more powerful I guess
[22:06] <ScottK> OK.  On KDE3 Kwrite never struck me as simpler than Kate.
[22:07] <nixternal> well, simpler as in it doesn't have all of the options that Kate has
[22:07] <nixternal> a notepad is a notepad is a notepad, and I guess that is the role KWrite fulfills with a smaller footprint I guess
[22:07] <nixternal> I use KWrite all of the time, only use Kate for a couple of things now
[22:08] <DaSkreech> !info glest hardy
[22:08] <ubotu> glest (source: glest): A free 3D real-time customizable strategy game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 436 kB, installed size 1252 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 ia64 mipsel arm alpha kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> but is Kate going to be on the liveCD?
[22:09] <ScottK> Maybe I'm just odd, but Kate made immediate sense to me and Kwrite just confuses me (in KDE3).
[22:12] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking you may not be the arget audience :)
[22:14] <nixternal> ScottK and Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libksane  <- ack it and lets go! :)
[22:15] <nixternal> err, only one of you has to ack it, first come first serve then!
[22:15] <ScottK> Got FFe?
[22:15] <nixternal> thought we had an open one for KDE 4?
[22:15] <nixternal> if not, then you need to tell your MOTU-Release people to stop telling us otherwise
[22:15] <ScottK> Actually no.  No one ever asked for one.  I've suggested it several times
[22:16] <ScottK> Maybe I missed it.
[22:16] <nixternal> ya, why nobody answered your request was beyond me
[22:16] <nixternal> I can whip up one really quick, or you can just use the bug report I created that the package will close..granted it is a needs packaging boog, but it answers the questions you will have I am sure
[22:17] <nixternal> that is my first library package too, so be gentle
[22:17] <nixternal> though it is a small but important library for anything dealing with kipi
[22:18] <nixternal> before it can be uploaded though, the kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.0.1) needs to be changed to (>= 4:4.0.2)
[22:19] <nixternal> ScottK: how should I go about filing an open FFe for KDE 4 stuff? I am going to need it in 5 minutes to upload all of these new extragear packages for 4.0.2
[22:20]  * DaSkreech should file a kipi SoC
[22:21] <ScottK> nixternal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-sounds/+bug/192535 is a good sample.
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192535 in usplash-theme-ubuntustudio "FF: General exception for Ubuntustudio packages." [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» a what?
[22:23] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: SoC is open KDE has a wiki page up for projects
[22:23] <hunger> Oh, cool. Decibel has build.
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> oh... summer of code...right :)
[22:24] <hunger> nosrednaekim: There are a couple of really nice decibel projects up there;-)
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> I don't know C++ so thats out for me
[22:25] <DaSkreech> I'm out
[22:32] <ScottK> Is skim starting automagically now on purpose (in en-US)?
[22:33] <hunger> ScottK: Everybody else has purged the damn thing already...
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> ok.... this is getting annoying... search this : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=mYy&q=kubuntu+summerofcode+ideas&btnG=Search
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> and see what it suggests!
[22:34] <ScottK> hunger: I suspect we ought to find out why it's running and get it stopped.
[22:35] <hunger> ScottK: It keapt randomly switching to some strange input method. I have no time for that stuff.
[22:37] <jjesse> is it bad if i'm just starting to work on a presenation i'm giving tomorrow on a subject i know nothing about
[22:39] <nixternal> ScottK: roger that, I will go ahead and file one for KDE 4 then for us
[22:39] <hunger> jjesse: The worst preparation I had was when a coworker asked me whether I could take over a presentation for him. I said sure, when. He replied in 25min.
[22:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Great.  I'll ack it no problem.  I don't imagine the 2nd one will be hard to get either.
[22:43] <jjesse> hunger: that's awesome
[22:43] <jjesse> at least i have tomorrow
[22:43] <jjesse> and an early flight at 5:30am :(
[22:45] <ScottK> Once I was preparing a presentation for a customer (this is back when we still had to print them on acetate and project them) and the printer was slow and things were running late.
[22:45] <ScottK> It was time to go and it wasn't done.
[22:45] <jjesse> wow that's crazy
[22:45] <ScottK> So I handed him the stuff that was done and said "Here's the first half.  Talk slow."
[22:45] <jjesse> the person i'm co-presenting with caleld me today and had no clue what he was supposed to present on
[22:46] <ScottK> I once had to give a presentation I'd never seen before.
[22:46] <ScottK> I was familliar with the topic, so it wasn't hard to improvise, but it was interesting.
[22:58] <jjesse_> wow wirelesses is crappy today
[23:11] <nixternal> ScottK: you want me to go ahead and Confirm/Wishlist each package affected?
[23:11] <nixternal> I am going to add a *-kde4 in the comments so I don't have to list every KDE 4 package if that is OK
[23:11] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  Need two motu-release acks.
[23:11] <nixternal> we have a bunch of KDE 4 packages already
[23:11] <nixternal> OK then
[23:12] <ScottK> Fine with me.  As long as it's clear what's covered.
[23:13] <nixternal> any special tags needed for FF report
[23:14] <nixternal> and we will need the 2 motu-release acks asap, as we need to get these packages all complete within in next few hours, which some have already been uploaded :)
[23:15] <jjesse_> you don't ask for much do you?
[23:15] <jjesse_> nixternal: you are a motu now right?
[23:15] <nixternal> ya
[23:17] <nixternal> ScottK: bug 198178 is all you I think :)
[23:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198178 in kdewebdev-kde4 "FF: General Exception for KDE 4 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198178
[23:17]  * nixternal notes that motu-release need better documentation
[23:18] <nixternal> hrmm, Henrik said I have been registered on the QA site for 38 weeks...I thought I just signed up for the brainstorm stuff...interesting
[23:19] <ScottK> nixternal: It's a wiki.  Go for it.
[23:19] <nixternal> I knew you would say that
[23:19] <nixternal> I hate wikis just for that reason :p
[23:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Ack #1 done.
[23:20] <nixternal> heh, if the bossman tells me to upload, do I still need an FF? :p
[23:24] <nixternal> I was just going to do something and now I can't remember
[23:24] <nixternal> oh ya, revu that libksane people :p
[23:58]  * nixternal points that revu has a cool new feature...it is called libksane :p


[01:04] <tgm4883> bkerensa, so who won the drawing for the magizine subscription?
[06:25] <bkerensa> Hi Epitrope
[06:41] <Epitrope> hey
[07:06]  * bkerensa is going to bed but wanted to say Hello :)
[18:15] <bkerensa> My newest toy arrived this morning: http://twitpic.com/6kfo2h
[18:17] <shantorn> hello
[19:31] <Epitrope> bkerensa: shiny
[19:35] <Brian_H> oh cool
[19:35] <Brian_H> its that just a straight e book reader only?
[19:39] <bkerensa> nah its running android so you can install apps
[19:39] <bkerensa> :D
[19:44] <Brian_H>  sweet
[20:08] <c_smith> g'day! :D
[21:13] <Kitty-> g'day mate


[14:13]  * xTEMPLARx yawns.
[14:14]  * wrst pours water on xTEMPLARx
[14:14] <wrst> wake up xTEMPLARx
[14:14] <xTEMPLARx> can't
[14:18] <wrst> me either any advice?
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> nope
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> none that works
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> still sleepy
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> but then, I started out with a giant coffee from pilot
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> laden with sugar
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> and a donut
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> or two
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> so now the sugar's doing me in
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[14:55] <wrst> i had to run from doughnuts today my wife had boxes of them she was taking with her to work
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> too
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> much
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> suga
[15:18] <xTEMPLARx> shoo-gah
[15:18] <wrst> ha ha
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> MY NAME IS DOOF, AND YOU'LL DO WHAT I SAY!
[16:33] <xTEMPLARx> woot woot!
[16:38] <xTEMPLARx> nobody?
[16:38] <xTEMPLARx> boooo
[16:43] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ??? :)
[16:55] <xTEMPLARx> phineas and ferb reference
[16:56] <xTEMPLARx> guess i'm the only one here with kids
[16:56] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[16:57] <wrst> well i have kid note singular be no phineas and ferb... yet
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> i thought you had more than the one... Maybe I'm thinking of Raoul.
[17:12] <wrst> just one for me !!! thats MORE than enough
[17:12] <wrst> morning chris4585 ;)
[17:13] <chris4585> hey wrst
[17:24] <xTEMPLARx> downloading latest 12.10 beta
[17:25] <xTEMPLARx> I tried updating my machine at home from 10.04 to 12.04 doing the built-in dist upgrade... it failed miserably.
[17:25] <xTEMPLARx> miserably I say
[17:25] <xTEMPLARx> although now that I think about it, it was probably graphics issues
[17:25] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[17:28] <wrst> you always have graphics issues :P
[17:40] <xTEMPLARx> only here lately for some reason
[17:40] <xTEMPLARx> frustrating
[17:43] <wrst> that is and you are running nvidia right?
[17:56] <xTEMPLARx> yup everywhere
[17:57] <xTEMPLARx> so its almost like I never had any trouble with them until Linus ran his mouth about NVidia
[18:27] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: evil plot by them?
[18:27] <xTEMPLARx> could be!
[18:27] <wrst> NVidia says... I'll show you Linus, how dare you stick that particular digit out at us!
[18:30] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[18:31] <xTEMPLARx> i wonder... can one upgrade from a 32-bit to a 64-bit system?
[18:39] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: good question that would rquire a different kernel and all different packages correct?
[18:39] <xTEMPLARx> possibly
[18:39] <xTEMPLARx> definitely on the kernel
[18:41] <wrst> you currently 32 bit i take it?
[18:42] <xTEMPLARx> yeah here
[18:42] <xTEMPLARx> but this is the base install I had prior to upgrading to the quad-core AMD mobo
[18:43] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: it is possible it appears: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750169
[18:43] <wrst> last commetn
[18:51] <xTEMPLARx> haha thanks... not very encouraging, that post
[18:54] <wrst> no xTEMPLARx i really figured you could switch your sources somehow pull in a 64bit kernel and the packages then reboot
[18:54] <wrst> sudo apt-get reinstall the whole stinkin' thing
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> haha probably
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> might as well just reinstall it though
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> I need to re-establish a better partitioning scheme though
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> i.e., separate /home location from the main OS install
[18:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i really need to do that, when we quit using my laptop at church and arch moves totally over to systemd i'm going to do that
[18:57] <xTEMPLARx> that's always been a big problem here... when it comes time to install a clean system on this box, its a pain and things get lost
[18:57] <wrst> i have Win7 native on my laptop but i NEVER boot into it when i need windows i have  a VM so probably use all 640GB on that thing for arch and partition it properly
[18:57] <xTEMPLARx> I wish one of the VM proggies would let you boot your win partition rather than having to install a dedicated one
[18:58] <wrst> that would be cool
[18:59] <wrst> when i go heavy into paritioning i generally screw something up
[18:59] <wrst> i followed all the arch stuff and didn't pay attention to /tmp and had it filling up if i let a machine run more than for a week or two
[19:00] <wrst> i need to study up before i do that again
[19:00] <xTEMPLARx> my biggest issue here is carrying my email over
[19:00] <xTEMPLARx> it SHOULD be a simple process, but it never really is
[19:00] <xTEMPLARx> I'm using Thunderbird now, so maybe it won't be as bad
[19:00] <xTEMPLARx> was always usingEvolution prior
[19:01] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: this is promising looking: http://askubuntu.com/questions/81824/how-can-i-switch-a-32-bit-installation-to-a-64-bit-one
[19:02] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: t-bird is super easy that's what i used at work, i backed everything up when a hard driving was going away and i just replaced the files and it was like nothing ever happened
[19:03] <wrst> that linke makes since you install 64 bit package apt, etc then chroot with a 64boot live cd to run those to get the 64bit kernel i think you can do it or blow your system up trying ;)
[19:05] <xTEMPLARx> guess the larger question would be:  is it FASTER to do it that way?
[19:11] <wrst> i would think absolutely not :)
[19:20] <xTEMPLARx> I wouldn't think so either
[19:21] <xTEMPLARx> I mean.. .its an interesting thought to think it COULD be done, but really, the benefits (if any) of doing so don't seem to outweigh a simple  backup-and-reinstall
[19:35] <wrst> i'm sure it can be done it appears, its linux!
[19:39] <wrst> but yes probably a total waste of time :)
[20:20] <xTEMPLARx> :D  booting into the 12.10 beta dvd... bbiab
[20:38] <wrst> wb xTEMPLARx
[20:48] <wrst> orr wb xTEMPx
[20:48] <wrst> hmm wb xTEMPLARx


[00:09] <JonathanD> 120.
[00:09]  * JonathanD does a little dance.
[00:11] <rmg51> about time you posted something about fosscon
[00:11] <JonathanD> I know.
[00:12] <teddy-dbear> I thought you were broken

[02:59] <JonathanD> See ya all in a few hours.
[02:59] <jthan> Sure thing
[02:59] <jthan> yeah
[02:59] <jthan> totally
[02:59] <jthan> bye
[02:59] <jthan> hey
[02:59] <jthan> cya
[03:00] <jthan> Sorry :-p
[03:00] <jthan> I just don't know what you're referring to
[03:00] <JonathanD> oh
[03:00] <JonathanD> jthan: That I'll be back on here at 5 ish, thats all :)
[03:00] <JonathanD> 122
[03:01] <jthan> Oh.
[03:01] <jthan> Nice.
[03:01] <JonathanD> 18 to go.
[03:01] <JonathanD> thats it, we need more chairs.
[03:28] <jthan> Anyone else awake?
[03:31] <x_hochiBisjeK> nope
[03:33] <jthan> If I didn't know any better I'd think you were lying to me
[03:51] <x_hochiBisjeK> zZz
[09:32] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:39] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:39] <JonathanD> Howdy.
[09:39] <rmg51> o/
[09:48] <JonathanD> Still 122
[09:51] <rmg51> you forgot the day countdown :-D
[09:51] <JonathanD> oh yes
[09:52] <JonathanD> 5 days
[09:52] <InHisName> JonathanD: if you have 140 chairs, you might get away with registering 160-170 and still not need to add any chairs due to no-shows.  Then if 133 really show up, it will look really full.
[09:53] <JonathanD> InHisName: there are only 70 chairs in each speaking area.
[09:53] <JonathanD> Even 120 will be VERY full.
[09:53] <JonathanD> Come one, come all to basekamp tonight to discuss it! ;)
[12:37] <ChinnoDog>  morning
[12:38] <rmg51> morning ChinnoDog
[12:38] <teddy-dbear> o/
[13:06] <JonathanD> Morning v2.
[13:09] <ChinnoDog> v2? I must be using a beta release
[13:09] <andrew> darn bug, we'll have to reboot JonathanD again
[13:10] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[13:13] <x_hochiBisjeK> Texting While Walking Is Now a Crime in Philadelphia http://ow.ly/5HWTd
[13:13] <PennBot> Title: Texting While Walking Is Now a Crime in Philadelphia (at ow.ly)
[13:21] <ChinnoDog> I am forseeing a new market for head up displays
[13:21] <ChinnoDog> sweet
[13:22] <JonathanD> how bout being on the phone while walking?
[13:22] <ChinnoDog> Or chewing gum while walking
[13:22] <ChinnoDog> Playing video games while walking?
[13:23] <ChinnoDog> Might as well outlaw having your hands above your waist while walking and be done with it
[13:24] <JonathanD> how bout we just outlaw walking?
[13:25] <ChinnoDog> That would really be nipping this problem in the bud
[13:25] <JonathanD> "text while they walk without looking ahead."
[13:25] <JonathanD> thats not so bad.
[13:25] <JonathanD> if applied as written there
[13:25] <ChinnoDog> So, android powered head up display? Who is going to make one?
[13:26] <ChinnoDog> My phone already has an hdmi port
[13:27] <ChinnoDog> chorded keyboard can probably be implemented on screen so no other hardware needed besides display
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> Making the cause illegal is kind of silly but I'm willing to play the game.
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> I would prefer that sanding in the street staring into traffic is illegal, but hey, whatever
[13:30] <ChinnoDog> s/sanding/standing
[13:42] <jedijf> that's actually very legal; called pedestrian right of way
[13:44] <ChinnoDog> So, what are we making laws about then? hehe
[13:44] <ChinnoDog> Lets just reduce the penalty for hitting a pedestrian that is not watching traffic
[13:47] <JonathanD> To -$50
[13:48] <ChinnoDog> I can't agree with that. I'm occasionally an offender. haha
[13:49] <ChinnoDog> What amazes me is that after I put my phone down at the street corner and start crossing at the crosswalk when I have the right of way the people turning towards me get angry when I am looking at my phone. wtf?
[13:50] <ChinnoDog> I'm not going to move any faster or slower whether I'm looking at my phone, looking at them, or chatting with a friend
[13:50] <JonathanD> thinkgeek is sending stuff to fosscon.
[14:52] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[15:39] <JonathanD> 2128
[15:39] <JonathanD> erm
[15:39] <JonathanD> 128
[16:02] <andrew> JonathanD: You forgot the / again
[16:15] <JonathanD> 130
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: what are you counting?
[16:20] <JonathanD> fosscon regs
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> ah. ic
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> Is there a projected number?
[16:21] <JonathanD> we're going to sell out, almost for sure
[16:21] <JonathanD> which would be 140
[16:29] <rmg51> which means I can't come at the last moment
[16:29] <JonathanD> correct.
[16:29] <JonathanD> unless you bring a camping chair.
[16:30] <teddy-dbear> what about me?
[16:30] <JonathanD> You can sit on the floor.
[16:30] <teddy-dbear> not on your lap?
[16:30] <JonathanD> I'll be standing.
[16:31] <teddy-dbear> that's ok,you can just hold me :-D
[16:32] <teddy-dbear> now all I need is a way to get there
[16:32] <JonathanD> rmg51 should bring you.
[16:37] <rmg51> I still can't be sure about making it :P
[16:48] <waltman> JonathanD: there might be some walk-ups, too, of course.
[16:49] <JonathanD> I hope they bring chairs.
[16:49] <waltman> JonathanD: I'm assuming some percentage of attendees will be in the hallway track at any given time.
[16:52] <JonathanD> indeed
[19:40] <rmg51> andrew: fix PennBot
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> PennBot must be on a coffee break
[19:54] <andrew> meh
[19:54] <andrew> why did you break him?
[19:54] <rmg51> it's all JonathanD's fault :-D
[19:55] <andrew> wow... that log was flying by fast
[19:56] <andrew> all dead now
[19:57]  * andrew is giving it a few minutes to clear things up
[20:37] <JonathanD> 9 left.
[20:38] <andrew> 9 IRC windows?
[20:39] <JonathanD> fosscon spots.
[20:43] <jedijf> get the 'sold-out' banner ready! great job JonathanD
[20:44] <JonathanD> I just got a batch of funding. Going to see if I can secure more seats instead.
[20:44] <JonathanD> not a LOT more because we're going to be packed as it is, but a few.
[23:59] <rmg51> @seen PennBot


  Good afternoon!
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> 4h13 on this side
[06:37] <ducasse> good morning
[06:45] <wyoung> Good afternoon!
[08:06] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[11:00] <Walex> the convention of IRC is that it is always "morning" when you join, and "evening" when you leave, regardless of your actual timezone and local time. Probably the quotes around "morning" and "evening" in that sense are needed :-).
[11:11] <lordievader> Walex: Really, that is news to me. For my years of IRC it was always simply "good $timeofday", where $timeofday was localized.
[11:36] <guiverc> I just use the aussie colloquialism (spel?) and say G'day  (means I don't need to think)
[12:20] <Walex> lordievader: it is a relatively reent convention http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
[12:30] <lordievader> Interesting concepts. Gives "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey" time a whole new meaning
[12:37] <Walex> lordievader: it could be based on the Douglas Adams principle "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.", as if lunchtime is an illusion, morning and evening times can well be subjective :-)
[12:38]  * Walex is not totally persuaded by the "everything is relative" argument though :-)
[12:39] <lordievader> Yeah, that is a nice fit too
[12:40] <Walex> as to that, one of the few advantages of working from home for ubuntu server sysadmins is that lunchtime has become less of an illusion, and "sandwichtime while standing in front a rack" more a of a memory :-)
[12:43] <Walex> [VMGuy23]: "I have Windows and Ubuntu dual boot" if you have that it is quite easy to boot the MS-Windows partition into a VM under Ubuntu, the problem is the risk of gettin it wrong and booting twice into Ubuntu.
[12:46] <Ussat> Wat ?
[13:46] <Walex> Ussat: the "root" filesystem can end shared by the real machine Ubuntu and the virtual machine Ubuntu.
[14:12] <lordievader> This is why I created a new mbr and linked my windows partition into it with device-mapper, before booting windows as a vm.
[19:04] <[VMGuy23]> Walex: doesn't the Windows license invalidate ater 4 hardware changes?
[19:20] <Maik> [VMGuy23]: that's offtopic and non Ubuntu related
[19:20] <Maik> !topic
[19:21] <[VMGuy23]> Maik: It continued a conversation initiated by someone else about running a VM on ubuntu. It's ubuntu related
[19:21] <Maik> Windows lincense chatter isn't
[19:21] <daftykins> technically it was relevant
[19:21] <daftykins> it was a follow on and related to running a native bare metal install but via virtualbox under 'buntu
[19:22] <Maik> ok
[20:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 680 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue680 :D


[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[15:48] <Pendulum> did we ever have a decision on our catch-phrase?
[15:48] <Pendulum> (or whatever we were calling it?)
[15:50] <czajkowski> slogan
[15:50] <czajkowski> no I really should just go in and pick or mail list
[15:50]  * Pendulum was thinking this team needs a jump-start ;)
[15:51] <czajkowski> Pendulum: tonight is mail night
[15:51] <czajkowski> folks shall be getting emails
[15:51] <Pendulum> heh
[16:01] <mgdm> czajkowski: so do you have a human version of mailman day? :)
[16:01] <czajkowski> yup it's called get down to business
[16:01] <czajkowski> and work through my to do list
[16:01] <czajkowski> which I've been rather bad at in the last 2 weeks with other stuff going on
[16:02] <mgdm> I picked up another project last night by accident :(
[16:02] <Pendulum> mgdm: welcome to the club
[16:02] <czajkowski> mgdm: Pendulum does that a lot
[16:02] <Pendulum> I've been banned from picking up new projects until I'm not longer working :(
[16:03] <mgdm> I wish I could take a month off, then use 2 weeks of it to do all the projects I have, and the remainder to play with all the cool tech I want to play with
[16:03] <Pendulum> haha
[16:03] <Pendulum> you'd finish your projects in 2 weeks?
[16:04] <mgdm> if I treated them as a 9-5 for a couple of weeks, I'd at least get them to the stage where I'd not need to worry so much for a while
[16:04] <Pendulum> heh
[16:05] <Pendulum> speaking of which, mgdm, I didn't know you were in here ;)
[16:05] <mgdm> alternatively: take a month off, use 2 weeks to clear as much stuff as I can, go sailing for the remainder
[16:05] <mgdm> it's a recent thing :)
[16:05] <Pendulum> how about 6 weeks: 2 weeks projects, 2 weeks playing with tech, 2 weeks sailing?
[16:05] <mgdm> I was intending to have a look at the CivicCRM packaging a while back, which is what brought me over here first, then I forgot and didn't add to autojoin, then I came back :)
[16:06] <mgdm> that would be great! but impractical :(
[16:06] <mgdm> also I'd need a boat
[16:06] <mgdm> but I know 5 boats whose owners would be up for a trip, I'm sure :)
[16:07] <Pendulum> heh
[16:07] <Pendulum> my father always used to talking about owning a boat and learning to sail when he retired. Instead he bought a campervan :-/
[16:08] <mgdm> awww
[16:08] <mgdm> I saw a video a wee while ago of a yacht adapted for sailors in wheelchairs, incidentally
[16:09] <mgdm> amusingly they're referred to as "RoRo" :)
[16:10] <mgdm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvCgzvHmqIQ
[16:45] <Pendulum> mgdm: there's a group in the UK that does disabled sailing stuff


[23:02]  * beagleburt is away: Away at the moment
[23:04]  * beagleburt is back.
[23:04]  * beagleburt is away: Away at the moment
[23:51] <nalioth> beagleburt: can you disable the public away messages?  thanks
[23:52] <beagleburt> ok sorry
[23:52]  * beagleburt is back.


[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <davidcalle> Good morning all
[08:01] <popey> morning
[08:06] <dpm> morning everyone
[08:52] <silverlion> good morning indeed... a very good one ;)
[10:51] <popey> mhall119: apologies for the dropbox spam :)
[12:10] <czajkowski> popey: in the BQ phone which is the main sim port top of bottom sim reader?
[12:11] <popey> top
[12:11] <czajkowski> thanks
[12:11] <popey> np
[12:11] <czajkowski> bah wrong sim in the post
[12:11] <czajkowski> it's large
[12:13]  * popey sends czajkowski some scissors
[12:13] <czajkowski> popey: I don't trust myself to cut a straight line
[12:13] <czajkowski> will popover to Guildford and see if I can swap it out
[12:13] <czajkowski> need it for the US tomorrow
[12:25] <czajkowski> popey: any ideqa if the Bq works with bluetooth in the car?
[12:25] <popey> it does.
[12:25] <popey> But some have reported issues with it. Feel free to test and report :)
[12:25] <popey> I think you need to pair _from_ the car, rather than pair from the phone
[12:25] <popey> but I don't have a fancypants car like you :)
[12:26] <czajkowski> popey: :p
[12:26] <popey> :)
[12:26] <czajkowski> car is normal
[12:26] <popey> lulz
[12:26] <czajkowski> driver less so :p
[12:26] <popey> your car is far from normal :)
[12:26] <czajkowski> right doing some updates now
[12:26] <popey> mind you, my car is ~15 years old
[12:26] <czajkowski> and then I cna have two phones for US trip one of which is my new 3 sim with unnlimited data in the US
[12:26] <czajkowski> hmmm not seeing todays sms in on the new phone
[12:26] <czajkowski> shall go and poke
[12:43] <czajkowski> popey: one more Q. any plans for gesture writing the way you have an on android keyboard
[12:44] <popey> like swype?
[12:44] <popey> we have talked about it, but no current plans
[12:44] <popey> would probably have to license something
[12:47] <czajkowski> ack
[12:47] <czajkowski> so not used to telegram
[12:47] <czajkowski> I log in and have messages from many people
[12:47] <czajkowski> oops
[12:47] <popey> I use telegram on my desktop mostly
[12:47] <popey> https://desktop.telegram.org/
[12:48] <czajkowski> oh
[12:48] <czajkowski> interesting
[12:48] <czajkowski> see there I use viber to poke jon and others
[12:48] <czajkowski> and then whats app for non geek mates
[12:48] <czajkowski> skype for work and for family
[12:48] <czajkowski> just want one tool :)
[12:49] <popey> hah, good luck with that
[12:56] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, balloons, popey, davidcalle: can we talk about the q&a times in the team meeting later on?
[12:56] <czajkowski> bah stuck in telegram
[12:56] <popey> good idea
[12:56] <czajkowski> popey: may have just messaged you
[12:56] <czajkowski> I miss my back arrow
[12:57] <balloons> dholbach, we can.. full agenda today
[12:57] <balloons> :p
[12:57] <dholbach> :)
[12:58] <czajkowski> when all fails restart
[13:01] <dpm> dholbach, we discussed it yesterday, we decided on setting the time to 15:00UTC
[13:01] <dpm> but we haven't changed it yet
[13:54] <dholbach> ok
[16:03] <jono> dpm, hey
[16:03] <jono> dpm, still good for our usual catch up?
[16:03] <dpm> jono, wrapping up a call, yes
[16:03] <jono> cool
[16:03] <jono> dpm, just dial me when you are done
[16:04] <dholbach> jono, hippie!
[16:04] <jono> dholbach, yessir :-)
[16:04] <jono> hows it going dholbach ?
[16:06] <dholbach> good good - how are you?
[16:19] <mhall119> jono: how'd the food turn out? or is it still cooking?
[16:27] <balloons> mhall119, given the size of that pork butt, he's likely still smoking it :p
[16:27] <balloons> I mean, did you see how much charcoal he bought?
[16:28] <jcastro> jono: yo yo
[17:02] <mhall119> balloons: as far as butts go, I've seen bigger :)
[17:02] <mhall119> jono: I've caved in and bought a propane smoker
[17:02] <popey> that did look like an amazing piece of meat
[17:02] <popey> I am tempted to get a smoker too
[17:03] <jono> hey mhall119
[17:04] <jono> food was questionable
[17:04] <popey> :(
[17:04] <jono> I think I hit the 40 - 140 danger zone
[17:04] <jcastro> was going to grill today but it just started downpouring here
[17:04] <jono> popey, smokers are so much fun
[17:04] <jono> popey, get a Weber Smokey Mountain
[17:04] <jono> the food that comes off that thing is incredible :-)
[17:04]  * popey loves weber
[17:04] <popey> 400 notes!
[17:05] <popey> ooh, cheaper elsewhere
[17:05] <mhall119> jono: if I had any free-time, I'd make rig an Arduino to my adjustable vents and a digital thermometer
[17:05] <popey> snappy!
[17:05] <jono> popey, worth it though
[17:05] <popey> jono: http://www.notcutts.co.uk/weber-smokey-37cm-bbq-mountain-cooker/charcoal-barbecues/notcutts/fcp-product/15950 that one?
[17:05] <jono> popey, thing is built like a tank
[17:05] <popey> heh
[17:05] <jono> popey, get the bigger one
[17:06] <jono> there are two sizes - you want the 22" version
[17:06] <popey> ahh
[17:06] <jono> then you don't have to chop ribs in half to smoke them
[17:06]  * balloons envisions popey's head popping out of the grill with a military helmet
[17:06] <popey> 57 cm I think we call it ㋛
[17:06] <jono> and you can do briskets and such
[17:06] <jono> :-)
[17:06] <jono> mhall119, I would just get a BBQGuru
[17:06] <jono> they are the same thing, but less screwing around
[17:06] <jono> the one I have has a web server in it :-)
[17:07] <jono> popey, I promise you that the food you get off the weber will make every penny worthwhile
[17:07] <popey> :)
[17:07] <jono> popey, I can send you my ribs technique
[17:07] <jono> it is simple
[17:07] <jono> and fall of the bone ribs
[17:07] <popey> ok, I am hungry now
[17:07] <mhall119> jono: but screwing around is 90% of the fun
[17:08] <jono> :-)
[17:08] <jono> mhall119, maybe for you :-)
[17:08] <jono> I just wanted something to work
[17:08] <mhall119> jono: Gentoo all the way!
[17:08] <popey> ricer
[17:08] <jono> I would rather be smoking ribs :-)
[17:08] <jono> lol
[17:08] <popey> thats a bumper sticker right there
[17:08] <mhall119> jono: BBQPad needs an API, so you can have your BBQGuru auto-updating it
[17:09] <jono> mhall119, I know, but that is a tough challenge
[17:09] <jono> and I haven;t had much time
[17:09] <jono> brb
[17:09] <mhall119> not much time? What, is there something going on at work? :)
[17:09] <popey> do you have a massive sink in which to clean the grill trays etc/
[17:10] <popey> i need to get something to clean my weber rack
[17:10] <mhall119> popey: it's called a hose
[17:10] <popey> hah
[17:10] <popey> i want something i can submerge them in
[17:10] <popey> to soak
[17:10] <popey> holy cow that smoker can do 8 chickens at once
[17:10] <mhall119> popey: things don't usually get stuck on that much
[17:10] <mhall119> one of the benefits of low heat cooking
[17:11] <popey> ah
[17:11] <mhall119> also, high-fat cooking
[17:26] <jono> some thoughts on this whole Kubuntu thing: http://www.jonobacon.org/2015/05/27/isupportcommunity/


[08:10] <darkxst> Noskcaj, octoquad can you guys package up syslinux and ubiquity?
[08:19] <darkxst> ill do the plymouth stuff, thats a little bit more complicated with needing code
[14:59] <Roland> Anyone want to help a semi-noob with random logging out issues both before and after an Nvidia update? If not maybe a point towards where to look/start.
[15:36] <octoquad> darkxst, sure, I'll take on ubiquity. I haven't forgotten about shotwell items, will do that first.