[00:00] <bdx> but it needs the full path
[00:00] <valeech> bdx: ok, so I just need to feed it a config.yaml, right?
[00:00] <bdx> valeech: juju deploy cs:~blake-rouse/maas-region-4
[00:00] <bdx> valeech: correct
[00:01] <arosales> valeech: ubuntu deploys looks good
[00:01] <arosales> bdx: is the latest blake-rouse or maas-maintainers
[00:02] <valeech> arosales: so the status unknown is ok/expected?
[00:02] <bdx> valeech, arosales: the ha functionality isn't there yet as the docs portray, but if you just want 1 rack-controller + 1 region-controller it works great
[00:02] <valeech> bdx: curses! I was hoping for the HA pieces :)
[00:03] <bdx> arosales: as far as I know, yes - I have cs:~blake-rouse/maas-region-4 deployed
[00:03] <arosales> valeech: workload state looks to be "unknown" which is ok
[00:03] <valeech> arosales: ok
[00:03] <valeech> how do I go about removing those stranded mariadb and wordpress apps?
[00:03] <bdx> valeech: from what I hear the ha portion will be getting some cycles again soon
[00:04] <arosales> valeech: in juju 2.0 beta9 the new syntax is "juju remove-application mariadb"
[00:04] <arosales> and juju remove-application wordpress
[00:05] <valeech> bdx: cool. How does one go about contributing to something like that? I am new to this, but would love to give back
[00:06] <valeech> arosales: I have run both of those and the apps persist, they’re like extended family, they just won’t leave!
[00:06] <bdx> valeech: start here -> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-getting-started
[00:06] <arosales> bdx, re ha no available, the docs @ https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs2.0/ha.html are very misleading then :-(
[00:06] <valeech> arosales: Yes, the docs are misleading :)
[00:07]  * arosales filing a bug on that
[00:07] <bdx> valeech: then go here -> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-layer-example
[00:07] <arosales> valeech: huh remove-application doesn't want to work for you . . .
[00:07] <arosales> let me see if there is a --force
[00:08] <arosales> valeech: were you interested in maas ha contributions or charm contributions?
[00:08] <arosales> or both :-)
[00:08] <valeech> arosales: both! I plan on using these products heavily
[00:09] <bdx> valeech: I'm with you there .... I've got the hardware already set aside for it :-)
[00:10] <arosales> valeech: great to hear, the docs that bdx pointed are are excellent. I would also add https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-getting-started and suggest to join the mail list I pointed at earlier
[00:11] <valeech> bdx: me too! trying to get this lab up and running so the my product managers can push it into production before it’s ready!
[00:12] <valeech> arosales: I joined the mailing list! I’ll spend some time on the docs as soon as I can get a functioning concept of all of this :)
[00:12] <bdx> valeech: the docs will aid you in getting the concept down too though:-)
[00:13] <valeech> bdx: good point
[00:13] <arosales> valeech: for maas contributions see http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/about.html#contributing
[00:14] <arosales> valeech: but your manual setup is running
[00:14] <arosales> just not a lot of xenial charms yet
[00:14] <arosales> suggest to spin up some trusty machines
[00:14] <arosales> or if you have maas configured just point juju at that :)
[00:15] <valeech> arosales: true. I was trying to use juju to deploy maas ha :) Then I would point juju at maas. I guess I need to get maas ha up manually.
[00:16] <valeech> would it make sense to deploy 2 maas region controllers with juju and then do the work externally to ha them togeher? or is that more work than its worth?
[00:17] <arosales> valeech: try:  juju deploy --to 3 cs:~maas-maintainers/trusty/maas-region-3
[00:17] <valeech> Added charm "cs:~maas-maintainers/trusty/maas-region-3" to the model.
[00:17] <valeech> Deploying charm "cs:~maas-maintainers/trusty/maas-region-3" with the user specified series "trusty".
[00:17] <valeech> ERROR cannot add application "maas-region": cannot deploy to machine 3: series does not match
[00:18] <arosales> ugh
[00:18] <arosales> xenial
[00:18] <arosales> same issue as wordpress, no xenail charm for maas-region charm
[00:20] <arosales> valeech: you can try appending --force to see if deploy maas-region on xenail
[00:20] <arosales> but that is uncharted territory
[00:20] <valeech> arosales: sure
[00:21] <arosales> as the charm maintainer may have to make special accommodations for xenail especially given systemd
[00:21] <arosales>   juju deploy --to 3 cs:~maas-maintainers/trusty/maas-region-3 --force
[00:21] <arosales> may get you a deploy, but results may vary if it works on a xenial machine
[00:21] <arosales> valeech: may be better to just spin up a trusty machine and go from there
[00:22] <valeech> arosales: yeah, perhaps. I’ll give that a shot and report back on results.
[00:23] <arosales> valeech: good luck
[00:23] <valeech> the —force won’t take because between the time you asked to try the mass-region-3 and it failed and asking me to try the —force I install maas-region-4 and it took. I didn’t give it a yaml file though, I just wanted to see what would hapen.
[00:23]  * arosales goes to file bug against maas docs
[00:24] <valeech> but the remove-application function isn’t working so I can’t remove it and try the maas-region-3 —force install :)
[00:24] <valeech> arosales bdx lazyPower thanks for all the help!
[00:25] <lazyPower> valeech anytime :)
[00:25] <arosales> valeech: I will also file a bug on remove-application
[00:25] <arosales> that should remove the application from the model
[00:25] <arosales> valeech: could you pastebin me "juju remove-application wordpress --debug"
[00:26] <valeech> arosales: sounds good. Is there any logs or data I should gather?
[00:26] <valeech> sure
[00:27] <arosales> juju debug-log --replay may be interesting
[00:27] <arosales> but the --debug with remove-application I think will have the interesting bits
[00:27] <valeech> http://pastebin.com/xyjcMz9m
[00:30] <arosales> valeech: thanks
[00:31] <valeech> arosales: np!
[00:31] <arosales> valeech: the heavy handed approach would be to destroy the model and create a new one once you are done experimenting given remove-application doesn't seem to be happy atm.
[00:32] <valeech> arosales: I tried that too and it just runs forever waiting for the service to stop…
[00:32] <arosales> valeech: nice :-/
[00:32] <valeech> :)
[00:33] <arosales> and no --force on destory-model
[00:34] <arosales> there is on the controller, but at that point its a new bootstrap
[00:35] <valeech> This is neat: http://pastebin.com/iSnUi1ez
[00:36] <arosales> valeech: ah you may have to remove the units first, given they are manually added
[00:38] <arosales> valeech: try "juju remove-unit 4"
[00:38] <arosales> note if you have ubuntu on that still you may want to at least try "juju remove-application ubuntu"
[00:39] <thumper> 4 what?
[00:39] <valeech> error: invalid unit name "4"
[00:40] <arosales> valeech: sorry try remove-machine
[00:40] <arosales> so "juju remove-machine  4"
[00:40] <arosales> thumper: you just trying to cause trouble :-)
[00:41] <valeech> that worked
[00:41]  * thumper lobs hand grenades from the safety of another country
[00:41] <arosales> thumper: remove-application not being helpful tonight
[00:41] <thumper> well that sucks
[00:41] <arosales> thumper: http://pastebin.com/xyjcMz9m
[00:42] <arosales> valeech: try the same with 3
[00:42] <valeech> that worked too for 3
[00:42] <valeech> but the apps are still there :)
[00:42] <arosales> valeech: what does "juju destroy-model default" return now
[00:43] <valeech> ok, now destroy-model worked!
[00:43] <thumper> arosales: ooo...
[00:43] <thumper> 2016-06-17 00:26:42 DEBUG juju.api apiclient.go:520 health ping failed: connection is shut down
[00:43] <thumper> that line right there
[00:43] <arosales> thumper: timeout?
[00:43] <thumper> uh
[00:43] <thumper> maybe not
[00:43] <arosales> valeech: ok suggest to start a new model, and spin up some trusty images
[00:43] <thumper> debug on the client when things aren't working don't tell us much
[00:43] <thumper> the debug log of the controller is much more useful
[00:43] <arosales> thumper: well deploy ubuntu worked
[00:44] <arosales> thumper: but couldn't remove wordpress
[00:44] <thumper> if you have debug logging on
[00:44] <thumper> grab the output by doing this:
[00:45] <thumper> juju debug-log -m controller --replay --no-tail > foo.log
[00:45] <arosales> valeech: also if you want some run time on AWS and are interested in contributing to juju charms please feel free to enroll in https://developer.juju.solutions/
[00:45] <thumper> that will get the apiserver calls and internal errors or issues with removal
[00:46] <arosales> valeech: that will give access to more "machines" if you want to focus on just the charm piece if you don't have a lot of spare hardware in your maas to test against.
[00:46] <arosales> thumper: already destroyed the controller :-/
[00:47] <arosales> thumper: I'll try to recreate on AWS, but this issue was on manual provider so I may try Digital ocean to reproduce
[00:47] <thumper> ack
[00:47] <arosales> thumper: but " juju debug-log -m controller --replay --no-tail > foo.log" noted if I am able to reproduce
[00:47] <thumper> yeah, that is a handy command
[00:47] <valeech> arosales and thumper I can spin it back up again
[00:48]  * thumper is in the bowels of juju ripping at the bad code he left several years ago
[00:48] <arosales> thumper: make sure you get _all_ the bad code then
[00:48] <arosales> valeech: if you have time, sure. If not I can also try to produce
[00:49] <valeech> arosales: sure. It doesn’t take long to setup
[00:50] <arosales> valeech: thanks
[00:50] <thumper> arosales: no chance...
[00:50] <thumper> but I'll get the cancer called fslock out
[00:51] <arosales> thumper: well at least there is that :-)
[01:31]  * arosales filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1593516 in reference to the incorrect syntax for deploys
[01:31] <mup> Bug #1593516: docs2.0/ha juju deploy maas-region not correct syntax <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593516>
[07:25] <Yash> nova-compute/10         error           idle        2.0-beta7 2                      <IP_ADDRESS> hook failed: "install"
[07:25] <Yash> How to solve this?
[07:25] <Yash> Please help.
[07:35] <admcleod> Yash: juju debug-log -i nova-compute/10 -n 30
[07:45] <Yash> admcleod: yash@ugocloud:~$ juju debug-log -i nova-compute/10 -n 30 ERROR invalid entity name or password yash@ugocloud:~$ juju debug-log -i nova-compute/9 -n 30 ERROR invalid entity name or password yash@ugocloud:~$ juju debug-log -i nova-compute/11 -n 30 ERROR invalid entity name or password
[07:45] <Yash> ERROR invalid entity name or password
[07:47] <admcleod> Yash: do you still have this 'upgrade in progress' message somewhere?
[07:50] <admcleod> Yash: also i forget, which juju version are you on? (juju --version)
[07:51] <admcleod> Yash: also can you pastebin the full results of 'juju status --format=yaml'
[07:56] <Yash> juju 2.0 7 beta
[07:56] <Yash> nova-compute/9           waiting         executing   2.0-beta7 2                      <IP_ADDRESS> Incomplete relations: image, storage-backend             neutron-openvswitch/36 error           idle        2.0-beta7                        <IP_ADDRESS> hook failed: "install"                                   ntp/73                 error           idle        2.0-beta7                        <IP_ADDRESS> hook failed: "install"
[08:21] <admcleod> Yash: hmm
[08:23] <admcleod> Yash: how did you resolve the issue you were having yesterday? with connecting to the ip / port?
[08:25] <admcleod> Yash: also can you upgrade juju to the latest version?
[08:31] <Yash> admcleod : I restarted machine after login using container exec command
[08:31] <Yash> 2.0-beta7-xenial-amd64
[08:31] <Yash> How to upgrade?
[08:31] <Yash> using ppa?
[08:31] <Yash> devel one?
[08:31] <admcleod> yes
[08:32] <admcleod> beta8 is available
[08:34] <Yash> ppa:juju/devel
[08:34] <Yash> right?
[08:34] <Yash> And do I need to bootstarp again?
[08:35] <Yash> babbageclunk: welcome :)
[08:35] <Yash> *bootstrap
[08:36] <Yash> amd64 2.0-beta9-0ubuntu1~16.04
[08:36] <Yash>  2.0-beta9
[08:36] <Yash> its downloading 9
[08:36] <Yash> is that ok?
[08:37] <Yash> admcleod: please confirm
[08:38] <admcleod_> Yash: im sorry i seem to have disconnected and only saw you ask 'devel?' to which i responded 'yes', was there something else?
[08:38] <Yash> ppa:juju/devel
[08:38] <Yash>  amd64 2.0-beta9-0ubuntu1~16.04
[08:38] <Yash> is that ok?
[08:39] <Yash> np :)
[08:39] <Yash> Also do I need to bootstrap again?
[08:40] <admcleod_> beta9 -even better :)
[08:40] <admcleod_> you should bootstrap again, i think there is something wrong with the current deployment you have there
[08:41] <admcleod_> Yash: ^
[08:41] <Yash> ok
[08:41] <Yash>   Thanks let me try with beta 9
[08:41] <Yash> Thank you
[08:42] <Yash> Is there anytime when 2.0 stable will release?
[08:44] <admcleod> Yash: i was told, but ive forgotten and dont want to guess so ive asked
[08:44] <admcleod> yash: (the date)
[08:45] <Yash> which date... I don't get it?
[08:45] <admcleod> Yash: the release date for 2.0 stable
[08:45] <Yash> ohh..my bad ok :)
[08:46] <Yash> admcleod: Thanks
[08:48] <admcleod> Yash: let us know if re-bootstrapping with the new version fixes things please?
[08:49] <Yash> admcleod: ok..I'm doing it now. I will keep you posted.
[08:49] <Yash> admcleod: is there any tester position? I can join. ;)
[08:50] <admcleod> Yash: haha im not sure, maybe :)
[08:51] <Yash> admcleod: please ask and let me join your team :) ..lol
[08:54] <admcleod> Yash: :D
[09:29] <Yash1> https://api.jujucharms.com/identity/v1/idp/usso/callback?waitid=a593011ca1d5b53b399df26515435a53&openid.assoc_handle=%7BHMAC-SHA1%7D%7B5763c2e4%7D%7BCAq6Vg%3D%3D%7D&openid.claimed_id=https%3A%2F%2Flogin.ubuntu.com%2F%2Bid%2FhpYfrJt&openid.identity=https%3A%2F%2Flogin.ubuntu.com%2F%2Bid%2FhpYfrJt&openid.mode=id_res&openid.ns=http%3A%2F%2Fspecs.openid.net%2Fauth%2F2.0&openid.ns.sreg=http%3A%2F%2Fopenid.net%2Fextensions%2Fsreg%2F1.1&openid.op_endpoint=https%3A%2F%2F
[09:29] <Yash1> {"message":"cannot get user details for \"https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/hpYfrJt\": not found: not found","code":"forbidden"}
[09:29] <Yash1> juju authentication problem
[11:55] <jamespage> cholcombe, hey - can you join #openstack-charms as well pls
[11:56] <jamespage> cholcombe, I tidied https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328374/ in the interest of getting that cleared for the landscape folk
[12:06] <codepython777> anyone here?
[13:27] <jamespage> bdx, hey - could you respond to my re-licensing request on openstack-dev pls (ideally want all contributors to agree before we switch to Apache 2.0)
[17:39] <valeech> is there a way with a manual cloud to prevent juju from removing the machine after all services are removed from it?
[17:40] <lazyPower> valeech - there is a setting to tweak the machine reaping, but i dont recall what it is offhand
[17:49] <gennadiy> hi everybody, we have got issue with juju-gui-130. it doesn't display changes. i have found error in dev console - "Unknown delta type: actionInfo"
[17:55] <valeech> Thx lazyPower
[17:55] <lazyPower> valeech - i'm still looking
[17:55] <lazyPower> thats buried in one of our FAQ documents i think
[17:55] <catbus1> Hi, JUJU 2.0 will create a linux bridge interface  as "br-eth0" on the node with eth0 interface. Is there a way to stop juju from creating that bridge interface?
[18:00] <dooferlad> catbus1: As it stands the bridge is always created.
[18:00] <dooferlad> catbus1: is it actually causing problems, or is it just untidy?
[18:02] <catbus1> dooferlad: I will find out if it's causing problems from this charm partner.
[18:03] <bdx> lazyPower, valeech: https://www.jujucharms.com/docs/devel/howto-harvesting
[18:10] <valeech> bdx: w00t! thanks. One more question, where is the environments.yaml in juju 2.0???
[18:10] <magicalt1out> gone away
[18:11] <magicalt1out> never to be seen again
[18:11] <magicalt1out> banished, if you will
[18:11] <valeech> haha I just read that
[18:40] <valeech> ok so reading the 2.0 docs, I set the provisioner-harvest-mode to none with this command:     juju set-model-config provisioner-harvest-mode=none
[18:41] <valeech> I then spun up some services on a machine, verified they worked and then destroyed them. After the services were removed juju stopped the machine and them removed it. Am I missing something?
[18:59] <lazyPower> valeech - it may be prudent to send that to the list -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that way the core devs can get a chance ot see it and respond, as a lot of them are over in europe and way past EOD for them.
[18:59] <valeech> lazyPower got it!
[19:28] <lazyPower> bdx yo
[19:47] <bdx> yo
[19:50] <bdx> lazyPower: writing documentation like a madman :-)
[19:50] <lazyPower> bdx - http://<IP_ADDRESS>/app/kibana#/dashboard/Dockerbeat-Dashboard
[19:51] <bdx> lazyPower: no
[19:51] <bdx> redic
[19:51] <bdx> ulous
[19:51] <lazyPower> awww
[19:51] <lazyPower> he told me no ;_;
[19:51] <bdx> :-)
[19:51] <lazyPower> it just keeps on giving man.
[19:52] <lazyPower> now if only it supported triggers and notifications like prometheus, and we'd have a killer ops app on our hands.
[19:53] <bdx> no doubt ... did dockerbeat pre-exist, or did you build that?
[19:54] <lazyPower> its a community beat :)
[19:54] <lazyPower> https://github.com/Ingensi/dockerbeat
[20:00] <bdx> I have a feeling the beats stack is going to gain traction real fast .... its sooo useful and lightweight. Once people start to understand how simple and powerful it is .... game over
[20:08] <lazyPower> interesting prediction :)
[20:08] <lazyPower> I hope it does happen though, its a great stack to work with. Super simple and straight forward
[21:12] <bdx> thedac: nice mp for dnsha
[21:15] <thedac> bdx: thanks. It is coming along. Should be in our 16.07 release
[21:16] <thedac> bdx: follow along if you care to https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:dnsha
[21:41] <bdx> thedac: thats great. thanks, I will
[22:02] <bdx> I'm documenting like a monster as of late .... what do you guys think about these top level juju admin categories ->  http://imghub.org/image/HHh4
[22:14] <valeech> I have made a lot of progress on my juju understanding last night and today. Thanks for all of the help!
[22:14] <valeech> I am now stuck and can’t seem to find an answer.
[22:15] <valeech> I blew my whole setup away ealier and started with 3 fresh Trusty machines.
[22:18] <valeech> I have installed juju 2.0 beta 9 on the first, created a new model and add a manual cloud with 2 machines. I need to setup a postgres cluster. So I ran juju deploy cs:trusty/postgresql-101 —to 0. After postgres came all the way up I then ran juju add-unit postgres —to 1. Postgres installed on the other node and everything looked great until I get “Failed to clone postgresql/0”
[22:19] <valeech> That failure shows up in juju status
[22:19] <valeech> It changes between that and “(leader-settings-changed) Failed to clone postgresql/0”
[22:20] <valeech> How do I troubleshoot this one?
[22:22] <valeech> Fixed it.
[22:23] <valeech> I added my machines to maas using host names not IPs. The two machines weren’t able to resolve each other’s names so postgres could replicate.
[22:25] <valeech> I love this channel! you all are so helpful :)
[22:44] <arosales> valeech: good to see your making progress
[22:53] <valeech> arosales thx!
[22:55] <lazyPower> valeech tell your friends about us ^_^
[22:57] <valeech> lazyPower That’s why I’m here. I need friends :)
[23:00] <lazyPower> :) We welcome you with open arms my friend
[23:16] <valeech> So I have juju 2.0 beta 9 working well on trusty. I would now like to delpoy maas 2.0. If I look at the apt-cache I see the maas versions are old. Is there a way I can specify what version of maas I want loaded at deploy time? Do I have to add the maas dev repositories to the 2 trusty machines so that when the charm installs it gets the latest version?
[23:20] <bdx> valeech: 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental3' will get you the daily
[23:21] <bdx> valeech: then you must 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --upgrade maas'
[23:22] <valeech> bdx: I only do the upgrade if I have maas installed, right? I don’t have maas installed yet. I am using a manual cloud to deploy maas and then I will connect juju to that cloud once installed
[23:26] <arosales> have a good weekend folks
[23:27] <valeech> arosales you too
[23:41] <valeech> bdx: apparently the maas-maintainers don’t have a trusty experimental release.


[07:40] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:18] <knome> iainfarrell|WFH_, hey, please consider not using awaynicks :P
[09:18] <iainfarrell|WFH_> hey knome
[09:18] <iainfarrell|WFH_> it's not an away nick as much as an explanation as to why I might be slow
[09:18] <iainfarrell|WFH_> but I can happily switch it off
[09:19] <iainfarrell|WFH_> I thought I was being helpful :)
[09:19] <knome> it's still a bit obtrusive :)
[09:19] <knome> maybe an away message would be more helpful even in this case
[09:19] <iainfarrell> ta daa :)
[09:19] <knome> the people who try to contact you probably /whois you if you're totally slow
[09:26] <knome> need to eat
[23:01] <zniavre> good evening
[23:02] <zniavre> any ideas how to modify the chrome menus ? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/187396/chromemenu.png  please


[13:33] <dkessel> good day everyone!
[14:00] <balloons> morning dkessel
[14:00] <balloons> dkessel, fixing testdrive isn't a bad thing :-)
[14:00] <dkessel> balloons: phew :)
[14:01] <balloons> timing is good, early in the cycle easy to get it in I hope
[22:08] <veebers> dobey: ping, following up a python-testtools bug #1435978


[20:42] <ndroftheline> hey guys, i'm receiving an error trying to follow the link to this(?) irc channel from https://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nz/
[20:42] <ndroftheline> "illegal channel name"
[20:44] <ndroftheline> i came here because i'm keen to find a local community or local events here in auckland to start attending. i've done some googling and not found a lot of linux groups here. wondering if anybody has recommendations for groups they personally know?
[20:48] <atamira> ooo . its been a while since i attended any
[20:49] <atamira> last one was a couple of years ago
[20:49] <ndroftheline> lol womp. like, in general or in auckland?
[20:49] <atamira> in auckland . was held at mt eden at the time
[20:49] <ndroftheline> i'm afraid LUGs might have somehow fallen out of vogue
[20:49] <ndroftheline> just not sure if it's speicfic to auckland or not
[20:49] <atamira> true.
[20:49] <atamira> i think the howick lug is still going
[20:49] <atamira> but not sure on that one
[20:50] <ndroftheline> it's a bit of a drive but i'd got to howick. i live in silverdale though so, ha
[20:50] <atamira> meetup has an auckland free and open source meet up
[20:50] <atamira> if thats to your liking
[20:51] <ndroftheline> that does sound to my liking
[20:51] <atamira> oh the howick group is still meeting. 5th dec is the next one
[20:51] <atamira> its also on meetup.com
[20:52] <ndroftheline> ah yip i'm on the foss one, but it seems very inactive
[20:53] <atamira> auckLUG is still going
[20:53] <atamira> wow.
[20:53] <ndroftheline> yeah, it's still going but...
[20:54] <ndroftheline> presumably your exclamation is in regards to the dearth of activity there :(
[20:54] <atamira> heh. the email list is normally more active
[20:55] <atamira> but you wont know unless you ask.
[20:56] <ndroftheline> fair point
[21:16] <olly> sees the freenode webchat parses the URL parameters badly and sets the channel name to: #ubuntu-nz&prompt=1&uio=OT10cnVlJjEwPXRydWUmMTE9MjM218&nick=locodir-user
[21:16] <olly> i wonder if the # needs escaping
[21:16] <olly> *seems


[00:17] <evil_tech> blarg
[00:17] <evil_tech> its a mystery
[01:54] <evil_tech> could someone point me to a link that explains how to pass kernel and module parameters
[02:13] <newUser> is there someone who can help me
[02:14] <newUser> i need to install xubuntu in PC a for PC b
[02:15] <zoredache> sorry?
[02:15] <newUser> i have a laptop without cd-rom and no floppy and no lan / internet
[02:16] <newUser> so i take the harddrive and install xubuntu on my pc
[02:16] <newUser> and the move the disk again to my laptop
[02:16] <newUser> is it possible
[02:16] <zoredache> yes, it is possible
[02:16] <newUser> is there any special trick that need to be done ?
[02:17] <iCEifer> hello, how can I get the xfce-dusk theme to work with Ubuntu? can I download it?
[02:17] <zoredache> disconnect the hard drive that is actually in your desktop computer so the laptop drive will be the only drive
[02:18] <newUser> hmm thnk :)
[02:18] <zoredache> make sure you install, or at least download everything you will need
[02:18] <zoredache> installing software without a network connection really won't work well.    If you could get the client to install a forged CA certificate then you could intercept things.  But that isn't something that is very easy to do
[08:01] <la_loOse> hi
[08:34] <alex_> i installed xubuntu-desktop, and it made my titlebars disappear in gnome, can anyone tell me why?
[09:57] <gunashekar> hi
[11:22] <march> tschüss
[13:31] <gerro> hello
[14:32] <gerro> bleh laptop troubles but I'm back
[14:33] <gerro> think the thing is overheating or something
[14:33] <gerro> anyway I read this article about conky and other system monitors I ws wondering what this statement meant " Conky is very flexible and very configurable but because it's defaultly in the root window makes it unsympathic."
[14:34] <stmartin> Hi! I wanna ask you how to safely plug-out flash memory on xubuntu?
[14:37] <gerro> stmartin: when you see the icon on your desktop right click it and choose unmount
[14:37] <stmartin> ok, thanks
[14:37] <gerro> otherwise it might still be writing stuff
[14:37] <stmartin> and how to see my files on my win xp drives (c: and d:), I have dual boot
[14:38] <gerro> it should be displayed already.. isn't it?
[14:38] <stmartin> no
[14:38] <gerro> if its not you'd have to add its configuration into /etc/fstab
[14:39] <gerro> it might already be there but commented out so you don't accidentally trash your windows drive not knowing what it is
[14:39] <stmartin> I receive this error
[14:39] <stmartin> error: device /dev/sda5 is not removable
[14:39] <stmartin> error: could not execute pmount
[14:40] <gerro> sda5 is which device now?
[14:40] <gerro> df -H to see a listing of them
[14:43] <stmartin> I used diskmounter script
[14:43] <stmartin> and it worked
[14:44] <stmartin> thanks for the help, anyway
[14:45] <gerro> alright is it permanently added into /etc/fstab though?
[14:45] <gerro> otherwise you'll have to redo it at every boot
[14:46] <stmartin> It said that they are permanently added
[14:46] <stmartin> but they are read-only
[14:46] <stmartin> how can I paste something in them?
[14:46] <gerro> yeah to change that you have to edit it yourself
[14:46] <gerro> ntfs support has come a long way since then
[14:48] <gerro> hmm might not be a good idea giving user access to that drive though
[14:48] <gerro> can't you still write to it as root?
[14:49] <gerro> gabkdlly: yo
[14:50] <gabkdlly> greetings
[15:03] <sigma_123> why does xubuntu not have a battery manager for laptops?
[15:04] <sigma_123> in the taskbar like how kde and gnome do
[15:05] <gerro> it does
[15:05] <gerro> right click and choose add new item
[15:05] <gerro> scroll down the list to battery
[15:06] <sigma_123> ah i see. il try that after its finished installing
[15:06] <sigma_123> thanks
[15:07] <sigma_123> i also noticed that the shutdown shortcut on the main menu does not work. why is this?
[15:08] <gerro> try applications > settings > sessions and startup all things pertaining to that should be there
[15:08] <sigma_123> im refering to gutsy gibbon
[15:09] <gerro> yeah of course
[15:10] <sigma_123> ok but when you click the menu shortcut it goes nowhere. but the button in the taskbar gives the shutdown options
[15:11] <Usuario> hello, a question, it is possible to install eeexubuntu from a sd card, in my eeepc ??
[15:12] <gerro> eeexubuntu??
[15:12] <Usuario> yes, a modified xubuntu version for the eeepc
[15:12] <gerro> its possible to install systems from sd card.. but not usually done
[15:12] <gerro> probably best to use a flash drive
[15:13] <Usuario> yes thats true, but i have actually the eeepc, a sd card, a pc and the netinst cd
[15:14] <gerro> no clue, you tried checking the forum? if nothing there might want to make a post
[15:14] <Usuario> so wanted to know if it was possible.... althrought i have to buy a flash memory
[15:15] <gerro> can probably just borrow someones if you know of someone
[15:15] <gerro> just be sure to remove the boot flag when your done might cause them troubles
[15:16] <Usuario> okay! thanks
[15:25] <stmartin> gerro can u help me?
[15:25] <stmartin> I still can't find the ntfs-config package
[15:25] <gerro> ntfs-config package?
[15:26] <stmartin> yes
[15:26] <stmartin> I have 6.06 LST Dapper
[15:26] <stmartin> how can I make read-write
[15:26] <gerro> I'm sorry not experienced in handling that version dual booted
[15:26] <gerro> like i've said you have to edit /etc/fstab
[15:27] <gerro> should be a howto on the ubuntu site
[15:27] <gerro> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[15:28] <gerro> oh also leave a space at the bottom of that file
[15:31] <stmartin> gerro, by your opinion, what should I do?
[16:05] <stmartin> How to remove Local Disk and sda1 from Desktop?
[16:08] <TheSheep> stmartin: settings->desktop settings->behavior->show filesystems
[16:11] <Ryuki> question.
[16:12] <Ryuki> how do I update the STV0680 driver for my Xubuntu?
[16:16] <Ryuki> Hmm...
[16:17] <Ryuki> I'm trying to figure out why my webcam won't work on kopete, but works fine in Camorama and other programs
[16:21] <Ryuki> hello?
[16:22] <Ryuki> I figured it out
[16:23] <Ryuki> http://pastebin.com/m4df555a2
[16:25] <Ryuki> anybody?
[16:46] <benz_> anyone is also having problems accessing logs.ubuntu-eu.org?
[18:35] <martinZGR> hello, i'm on xubuntu 7.10... do you know anything about charging devices from USB? i didn't try it by now cause first i want to discharge it and then fully charge - but i've heard that sometimes due to power saving settings charging does not defaultly work
[18:38] <PeckaH> well, at least my mp3-player is charged
[18:43] <martinZGR> ok,thanks:) hope my will work too:)
[20:17] <darkk^> what web-browser, IM client and office tools are used in xubuntu ?
[20:18] <darkk^> or redirect me to right place please, I tried to find software list at xubuntu website, but found nothing.
[20:20] <vidd> firefox, pidgin, abi-word, gnumeric spreadsheet
[20:23] <darkk^> Is it possible to change abi-word/gnumeric to OOo without headache about integration? Is it as simple as "aptitude install ..." ?
[20:26] <vidd> yep
[20:27] <vidd> apt-get install [opplication] then (if you want) apt-get remove [other apps]
[20:30] <darkk^> Ok, happy to hear that, going to try xubuntu on low-mem (256mb) machine. I know, that OOo will be slow there, but abi-word had lots of issues while reading M$ .doc's.
[20:30] <darkk^> Thank you for this metapackage.
[20:57] <march> gn8
[21:22] <stmartin> what is the problem?
[21:22] <stmartin> I receive this message: W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[21:24] <flox> stmartin: here, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#Menu_Method_for_Adding_Repositories
[21:25] <flox> or here for Dapper: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[22:46] <Ryuki> hello.
[22:56] <soldats> hello
[22:56] <Ryuki> okay. I have question on STV0689 driver.
[22:56] <Ryuki> it's a webcam driver, but I tried to figure out how to get it working.
[23:11] <Ryuki> anybody?
[23:35] <Ryuki> wow really quiet.
[23:40] <castrox> guys.. just installed xubuntu on an old laptop.. everything works fine for me except the graphics.. it has a neomagic video card. Seems the installation picked up on this and seemingly installed the driver.. but I cannot "modprobe neomagic" since that module doesn't exist. Any ideas? Shouldn't it exist? xorg.conf has it as a loadable module.
[23:41] <castrox> of course lsmod doesn't yield any neomagic driver.
[23:41] <soldats> !neomagic
[23:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about neomagic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:42] <castrox> I'm afraid I've searched the almighty google for quite a while. :-(
[23:42] <Ryuki> lol me too
[23:43] <castrox> having problems with neomagic?
[23:43] <Ryuki> nope
[23:43] <Ryuki> I jsut have problems with my webcam
[23:43] <Ryuki> everyone is quiet lol
[23:44] <soldats> castrox, did yousee this i didnt read it but it yet though http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/x11/xserver-xorg-driver-neomagic
[23:44] <Ryuki>  http://pastebin.com/m4df555a2 It is my decive name, and I did read the webcam site
[23:44] <castrox> funny thing I installed xubuntu on an old Dell the other day.. like a week ago.. has Neomagic aswell.. worked fine - loaded the neomagic module and everything.. this IBM laptop didn't get it :-\
[23:44] <castrox> soldats, checking
[23:45] <castrox> soldats, yeah it's installed in fact. Weird huh.. it only installs a *.so file - and not a *.ko. Don't know what I'm supposed to do with that. Any idea?
[23:48] <soldats>  .so is the for nameserver for somolia i thought
[23:48] <castrox> searching the system for neomagic only turns up some uninteresting man pages and the exact files listed in the repos.. which includes a *.so file.
[23:48] <soldats> hmm wierd
[23:49] <soldats> maybe try looking for all the packages on the other laptop and see what the other doesnt have and install the missing ones
[23:50] <castrox> soldats, don't have it at home right now.. :{
[23:51] <castrox> checking if anyone had this problem on #ubuntu, thanks for helping soldats
[23:52] <methods[laptop]> i installed xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop together but when my system loads i see the xfce boot image i would like ubuntu to my dominant desktop... how do i change this ?
[23:52] <soldats> np sorry i havent ever dealt with neomagic so im not too sure
[23:54] <castrox> methods[laptop], you mean at the boot? system startup? or the login manager or what?
[23:54] <Ryuki> !webcam
[23:54] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[23:55] <methods[laptop]> at boot
[23:55] <methods[laptop]> i see xubuntu
[23:55] <castrox> methods[laptop], because you've installed xubuntu, correct? And you have another installation with ubuntu or?
[23:56] <methods[laptop]> xubuntu was my cd install... and i used apt-get to install ubuntu-desktop
[23:56] <soldats> xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce so naturally xfce will be the dominant boot image
[23:58] <soldats> ubuntu desktop basically installes gnome and nautilus i believe but youll have to make the default boot to gnome for a different image i believe but im not sure how to do it i havent used ubuntu gnome in a long time


[18:12] <LjL> earthquake felt in Kathmandu
[19:55] <pavlushka> LjL: 130 kms radius will not reach us
[19:58] <pavlushka> or even 210 kms
[19:58] <pavlushka> that's about 518 kms away
[20:19] <LjL> yeah, i just thought i'd mention it, as i only knew some of the reports were from there, but not the actual location yet


[11:03] <absk007> how to change LXDE desktop theme? How to install fonts?
[11:08] <leszek> absk007: there is no global desktop theme. But you can change icons, wallpaper, gtk-theme, window decoration manually if you want to
[11:08] <leszek> To install fonts just copy them to your hidden ~/.fonts directory
[11:09] <absk007> leszek, how to change your mentioned themes?
[11:09] <absk007> leszek, there is not hidden ~/.fonts. Should i create it manually?
[11:10] <leszek> in settings you should find the coresponding things. Like appearance which should give you all you need
[11:10] <leszek> absk007: yeah just create it manually
[11:10] <leszek> this will install the fonts for your user only. If you want them for all users they need to be copied to the global /usr/share/fonts directory with root rights
[11:13] <absk007> leszek, how do i chsh -s `where zsh` ?
[11:13] <absk007> is that the correct command?
[11:13] <absk007> to change my shell?
[11:15] <leszek> absk007: you can just use chsh and it will interactively ask you what to set your shell to. As far as I know zsh in trusty is /bin/zsh5 . Maybe take a look beforehand
[11:16] <absk007> leszek, should i create a truetype directory in my ~/.fonts directory like in /usr/share/fonts/truetype ??
[11:17] <absk007> and after font installation, shouldn't i run some kinda font-cache refresh?
[11:18] <leszek> absk007: you don't need the truetype directory. And as far as font refresh. I never used that and everything worked as expected
[11:18] <absk007> leszek, how do i know which shell i'm in
[11:19] <leszek> absk007: by default its bash as far as I know in lubuntu
[11:19] <leszek> echo $SHELL should give you the shell you are using
[11:19] <leszek> not sure if every shell is using this variable though
[11:20] <leszek> and I guess if you are starting zsh5 for example from bash it would probably use the $SHELL variable provided by bash
[11:21] <leszek> I don't think there is an reliable way to check that
[11:27] <absk007> where is the preference to choose the fonts folder?
[11:29] <leszek> absk007: I am not sure if there is any. There is no graphical tool for that. Maybe this is what you are looking for: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html
[11:30] <leszek> ah sorry thats not exactly what you were asking for
[11:30] <leszek> I thought there might be a XDG_FONT_DIRS variable but it isn't
[11:32] <absk007> ok.
[11:35] <absk007> leszek, can i use some kinda keyring such that when i use sudo apt-get or gksudo, it won't bother me for passwords?
[11:37] <leszek> absk007: sudo by default uses a 5 min. timer I guess. So if you execute sudo in that 5 min. after first entering the password it won't nag you about it. As for gksudo it should do the same
[11:38] <leszek> actually it is 15 minutes, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:39] <leszek> absk007: there is also a tutorial on setting the timeout here: http://ubuntuserverhelp.com/sudo-timeout/
[11:48] <absk007> leszek, thanks. I set it to 60 mins
[11:50] <absk007> leszek, how to insall chromium with flash?
[11:51] <absk007> leszek, i mean about the flash.
[11:51] <absk007> chromium-browser installed
[11:55] <leszek> there should be a ppapi-flashplugin somewhere in the repo
[11:55] <leszek> let me search it
[11:55] <leszek> absk007: the package is called pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[11:55] <absk007> leszek, how do i add icons to the lower left corner near the Menu?
[11:57] <leszek> absk007: in the panel you mean ?
[11:57] <absk007> yeah!
[11:57] <leszek> If there is an icon just right click and you should have an option to go to the properties of the panel plugin. There you can add icons
[11:57] <leszek> otherwise in global panel settings there should be a plugin to allow you adding icons
[12:00] <absk007> leszek, i don't get it. Could you show a snapshot
[12:01] <leszek> wait a sec
[12:04] <dust> http://store.steampowered.com/universe/
[12:04] <dust> i hope also all with lubuntu :)
[12:05] <leszek> absk007: http://abload.de/image.php?img=foo2irumv.png click on the top menu item here after right clicking
[12:06] <leszek> it should give you a dialog where you can add new applications to the bar
[12:08] <absk007> leszek, thanks
[12:08] <absk007> leszek, why isn't my synaptic showing the quick search bar?
[12:10] <absk007> leszek, when i installed Terminator, the LXTerminal somewhere disappeared
[12:10] <absk007> why?
[12:15] <leszek> absk007: first synaptic. This needs apt-xapian. So you need to install that for the quicksearch to appear (it basically creates a local db of available packages)
[12:15] <leszek> absk007: can you start lxterminal with CTRL+ALT+T still ?
[12:16] <absk007> leszek, nope. only terminator and terminator everywhere
[12:16] <absk007> even in the pcmanfm, pressing F4 opens terminator
[12:16] <absk007> i didn't manually uninstall LXterminal
[12:17] <leszek> absk007: thats strange. Seems like it registers itself as the default everywhere
[12:17] <leszek> so from terminator you cannot execute lxterminal ?
[12:17] <absk007> leszek, yes. I can
[12:17] <absk007> but it doesn't appear in the menu
[12:18] <absk007> some things are missing: notify-send and xclip. Should i install them using apt-get?
[12:18] <leszek> strange indeed. If the package wasn't removed it shouldn't be gone from menu. Only if terminator somehow diverted lxterminal
[12:18] <absk007> i need them for a screenshot tool
[12:19] <leszek> I don't see a problem with that
[12:19] <absk007> leszek, just after installing terminator, lxterminal just disappeared. Poof!!
[12:20] <absk007> i didn't do anything
[12:20] <leszek> absk007: what version of lubuntu do you run ?
[12:20] <absk007> very strange indeed. In my last lubuntu installation, that was not the case
[12:20] <absk007> leszek, the latest 14.10
[12:23] <leszek> ok I only see it installing itself as the default terminal in the package itself. But I am running trusty (14.04) and there is a /usr/share/applications/lxterminal.desktop that should be always shown in the menu. Not sure if in 14.10 they changed that to the default terminal which is the only explaination I have currently that it dissappeared from the menu
[12:26] <absk007> leszek, ok
[12:30] <absk007> leszek, installing apt-xapian-index didn't do the job. The quick search in synaptic didn't appear
[12:36] <leszek> absk007: did you restart synaptic and let apt-xapian-index running in the background ?
[12:36] <leszek> it needs to first create the database before synaptic can use it
[12:36] <absk007> how to let apt-xapian-index run in background
[12:38] <leszek>  update-apt-xapian-index
[12:38] <leszek> sudo !!
[14:01] <absk007> how to download notify-send in Lubuntu 14.10?
[14:02] <ianorlin> install libnotify-bin
[14:03] <ianorlin> absk007, ^^
[14:05] <absk007> ianorlin, thanks
[14:05] <ianorlin> although sometimes command not found will tell you if you try the command and don't have it installed
[14:07] <absk007> ianorlin, how much RAM should i allocate to lubuntu so than i can develop java application using IntelliJ IDEA
[14:07] <absk007> using VMWare
[14:07] <ianorlin> I don't use vmware or java so I don't know
[14:13] <absk007> how to add a directory to system path?
[16:20] <web-man> do you have a good script for conky?
[16:21] <testdr> web-man: who do u ask?
[16:22] <web-man> general question
[16:22] <web-man> for all
[16:22] <testdr> there is no good script for conky - it always depends what hardware you have and whats your desire..
[16:23] <Unit193> One good script?  I have the weather, several timezones, internal and external IP, and sometimes Google calendar (agenda view)
[16:23] <testdr> Unit193: i have the weather right at my window..
[16:24] <web-man> and where can I download this script
[16:24] <testdr> web-man:  you get a lot of links using the google-search -
[16:25] <web-man> I created a .conkeyrc file in /home/webman  directory
[16:25] <Unit193> testdr: Appearances can be deceiving, can look like a warm day but actually be below 0F.  Also the alerts are nice. :P
[16:25] <testdr> web-man: thats a first step -- you check whats around and how much it will consume your cpu-power
[16:26] <web-man> but I want to write a working script in .conkeyrc file because I copy-pasted some scripts and not working at all
[16:26] <Unit193> There's also built-in functions of conky itself to consider, you may not need a script for what you're looking for.
[16:27] <testdr> Unit193: i am living in germany and i dont wanna know the weather of berlin - or the weather of south-africa, because thats both with no relation to the weather in front of my door
[16:27] <web-man> is there a gui to configure conky
[16:27] <testdr> web-man:  i never heard about this -- only checking google-search and there are a lot of examples
[16:27] <web-man> but in germany is berlin
[16:28] <testdr> web-man: berlin ist around 700 Kilometres from my location and the weather of berlin is more the same of warsow .. or sometimes moskow
[16:29] <Unit193> conky -C  will give you a sample config.
[16:29] <Unit193> So don't look at it if you don't want to know it? :P
[16:31] <testdr> Unit193: some users may think its nice to know if their leader (or chancellor) may need an ubrella today
[16:31] <testdr> umbrella
[23:28] <dust> lubuntu will use at 15.04 systemd too?
[23:34] <krytarik> dust: If the decision holds up - just like any other flavor, I believe.
[23:35] <dust> i only did read about ubuntu and the other flavors... and as lubuntu was mentioned i asked here... well i thought it ll... just to be sure...
[23:35] <dust> was not
[23:38] <krytarik> dust: This is the official announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-March/001130.html
[23:40] <dust> ...and all flavors... thx... well media didnt copy that...


[02:32] <ScottK> Riddell: the newer sip4 is known to break pykde.  it's mostly pykde's fault, but no fix available AFAIK.  To avoid it, sip4 needs a ~really downgrade, but the means python-qt4 and pyqt5 need downgrading too since they require the newer sip4.
[06:16] <soee> good morning
[10:32] <Riddell> still lots of beta 1 testing needed, that i386 won't run itself :)
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, unfortunately, I'm syncing the Ubuntu Studio 13.04 amd64 image down for upgrade testing, and I only have the Kubuntu amd64 image handy here. So can't help, sorry
[10:39] <marcuspbaird> hello
[10:39] <marcuspbaird> are you looking for testers
[10:39] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, yes we are
[10:39] <marcuspbaird> ok I know darkwing I be keen If you have a link
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Please test the 13.10 pre-Beta 1 i386 images
[10:40] <smartboyhw> You can find the image at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current
[10:40] <marcuspbaird> I am on the jupiterbroadcasting mumble if you want to chat to me about it
[10:40] <smartboyhw> The test pages is on iso.qa.ubuntu.com (Select "Saucy Beta 1")
[10:40] <marcuspbaird> ok kool will down loadit
[10:40] <shadeslayer> I won't recommend that link tbh
[10:41] <smartboyhw> A detail walkthrough is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[10:41] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, ^
[10:41] <smartboyhw> And BTW, knowing Darkwing_ does NOT give you an extra advantage:P
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> ok which one
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> lol
[10:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, well, it's the generic link we can use
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> I know everyone
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> be shocked
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> and the youtubers
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> I know popey two don't hold that against me
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, the wiki one
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, everyone?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Heh
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> 32 bit or 63
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> 64
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, if you can use 3 sentences to describe each and every single person in this chat channel, I will believe that.
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> sorry
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, 32-bit is more urgent:P
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> looking
[10:43] <Riddell> marcuspbaird: take a look at missing test cases on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/302/builds
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> popey you in here as well
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> ok do 32
[10:43] <Riddell> duplicate test cases welcome too, the more bugs we find the better
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> I have a intel
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> 8 g ram
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> old processer
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> gt210 ndivia
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Hell, 8 GB RAM:P
[10:44] <marcuspbaird> ion windows at moment
[10:44] <marcuspbaird> lol
[10:44] <marcuspbaird> looking for a full install
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> ok I good at finding bugs
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> I can get quidsup to have a look if you like
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> he can do a score for u
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> lol
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> or kaddy
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> but hes not a fan of ubuntu
[10:46] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, we need everybody:)
[10:46] <marcuspbaird> lol
[10:46] <smartboyhw> !testers | Please test the Kubuntu 13.10 pre-Beta 1 images available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/302/builds
[10:47] <smartboyhw> !testers
[10:47] <soee> had no time yesterday as i was on laptop
[10:48] <smartboyhw> soee, how about today?
[10:48] <marcuspbaird> if any of you guys no how to use mumble you might be alble to talk some of the others into it '
[10:48] <marcuspbaird> ts.jupitercolony.com
[10:48] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, we have a dedicated Mumble server
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> '64734
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> I know
[10:49] <soee> smartboyhw, yes after work and gym :D
[10:49] <smartboyhw> yofel__, what's the link again!:
[10:49] <smartboyhw> ?
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> darkwing told me
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> nixie goes on it see i know things
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> anyway its a linux chat room so all welcome
[10:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:50]  * smartboyhw does not go on Mumble except for Kubuntu meetings
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, speaking about meetings, I'm planning the next developer meeting soon to re-think my application
[10:51] <smartboyhw> (Since you guys said "Next month":P)
[10:52] <marcuspbaird> I happy to jump in meet you guys
[10:52] <marcuspbaird> whats your server guys
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> in case I need your help with kubuntu
[10:53] <yofel__> smartboyhw: uh, good question, try kyofel.dyndns.org if it has mumurd running
[10:53] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, ^
[10:53] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, if you need help with Kubuntu, #kubuntu is a better idea:)
[10:53] <yofel__> I remember moving it around a few times for the last meeting because sound failed
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> no probls
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> I ok I talking about testing it
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> ok is cause the updates
[10:54] <marcuspbaird> theres been some issues with mumble on kde latley with sound
[10:54] <marcuspbaird> allkdes
[10:54] <shadeslayer> my monitor finally works again
[10:54] <shadeslayer> hurray
[10:54] <Riddell> we only use mumble for some meetings generally
[10:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, \o/
[10:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: great
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, will probably be around 18th (since I want to go to the Software Freedom Day in Hong Kong doing talks having a "Kubuntu Developer" title):P
[10:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ooh exciting :)
[10:55] <smartboyhw> I mean, telling people that I am
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, huh, 15-year-olds doing talks to first-time free software people
[10:56] <marcuspbaird> I ma 43
[10:56] <marcuspbaird> am 43
[10:56] <smartboyhw> They will think, "WHAT!?!?!? What is a 15-year-old doing here? Aren't he supposed to be doing extra-curricular activities or studying!?)
[10:56] <Riddell> my first talk was nerve wracking but it was commended as the best talk of the conference
[10:57] <marcuspbaird> I use to have a youtube channel
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[10:57] <Riddell> kubuntu is the perfect extra-curricular activity and free software is the best way to study software
[10:57] <marcuspbaird> anyway wasn't spaming happy to help
[10:58] <marcuspbaird> what do u need to no with the testing
[10:58] <marcuspbaird> do u need me to install a certain peace of software for it
[10:59] <Riddell> these test cases http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/302/builds/52716/testcases
[10:59] <Riddell> mostly to know that it installs and runs fine
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  beta1 looking fine this morning , no gltches or freezes/crashes so far
[11:00] <smartboyhw> yofel__, the mumble server still exists but with no people;P
[11:00] <Riddell> yay
[11:00] <Riddell> thanks
[11:00] <yofel__> ok, then I at least correctly remembered where it's running ^^
[11:01] <BluesKaj> heh , even the coffee's good this morning :)
[11:01] <smartboyhw> yofel, no rooms whatsoever
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, maybe we should plan another Mumble meeting soon
[11:02] <marcuspbaird> ok
[11:02] <marcuspbaird> doing a full install anyway
[11:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I do wonder how many support has the WithSupport team done currently:P
[11:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how much? that's their business
[11:52] <Riddell> kde desktops will be new to them professionally, but they're all linux fanboys like us so they'll have used it in the past and all run it now
[11:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but you can quiz vinay_ and rshort in person if you want :)
[11:53] <marcuspbaird> nods me two
[11:53] <marcuspbaird> is there still the debate with meir and wayland
[11:53] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion owncloud-client 1.4.0
[11:53] <marcuspbaird> darkwing and jonobacon got into debate on g+ afew months ago
[11:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220661
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I know. Will be very interesting to see how the promotion by different mediae worked out:P
[11:54] <Riddell> marcuspbaird: we plan to use wayland, ubuntu desktop plans to use mir
[11:54] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, cut off, we won't support XMir for now
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> I heard that
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> :)
[11:54] <smartboyhw> And, since upstream obviously hates it, I don't think we will be using it for some time
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> what version
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> ok
[11:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want an FFe for this?
[11:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah my feeling is for a FFe, needs investigation though
[12:04] <Riddell> sigh, virtualbox crashing the real box
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, for me, s/crashing/freezes/
[12:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah that's what I mean
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, but my laptop ALWAYS freezes:P
[12:08]  * smartboyhw thinks that he has overused his CPU and RAM doing packaging and stuff
[12:09] <Riddell> is there a better location for upgrade instructions than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[12:09] <marcuspbaird> so have you gusy tested this installer yer
[12:10] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, we did (for amd64, it works I think)
[12:11] <marcuspbaird> does the 32 bit
[12:13] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, good
[12:13] <Riddell> proofreaders needed for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[12:13] <marcuspbaird> ok just downloader the 32 bt will install soon
[12:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, looks good
[12:19] <Riddell> ScottK: do you know if we have a bug for that sip issue?
[12:32] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1220675
[12:41] <shadeslayer> is it just me or does the guided setup not allow me to resize partitions
[12:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, except if you have another OS, no
[12:41] <shadeslayer> I have Kubuntu on the disk
[12:41] <shadeslayer> but it doesn't allow me to resize
[12:56] <BluesKaj> sha always use the manual partitioning the guided is clunky and lacks options
[12:56] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,^
[12:56] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: was testing out the i386 ISO
[12:57] <BluesKaj> nods , of course seeing the guided option is good so you guys van fix it :)
[12:57] <Riddell> LANG = "fr_GB.UTF-8"  sigh
[12:57] <BluesKaj> can
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it'll only offer it if it knows it can resize, maybe you don't have enough disk space to do so
[12:58] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:04] <BluesKaj> is there a method to renaming the /dev/sdXs on a disk I'm up to sdb8 on one hdd, with missing numbers in between... tried the new partition table command but that didn't seem to get rid of old unused assigned /dev/sd's , so now it's become kind of messy
[13:05] <BluesKaj> probly not the place to ask
[13:06] <Riddell> you'd need to mess around with partitionmanager or gparted
[13:06] <BluesKaj> yeah , i have
[13:13]  * Riddell high fives jmux
[13:30] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, isn't KTp 0.6.3 in already?
[13:35] <smartboyhw> (Since I packaged it myself-.-)
[13:37] <yofel__> Riddel: bug 1195256 is bug 1196752, or is systemd-shim not installed ?
[13:38] <Riddell> systemd-shim is installed
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do you know how to install bodega into Kubuntu!?
[13:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: um, apt-get ?
[13:41] <yofel__> Riddell: so does suspend work for you now? afaik they implemented the part where it was supposed to tell upower that the wakeup finished
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't find the package anywhere
[13:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well is it packaged?
[13:41] <Riddell> yofel__: good question, I've got in the habit of using pm-suspend, I'll test once this test install is done
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't think so, but I need it to build Muon at it's fullest state:(
[13:42] <yofel__> Riddell: same here -.- (pm-suspend)
[13:49] <Riddell> hmm, strife in lubuntu land
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[13:50] <smartboyhw> phillw resigned:O
[13:52] <soee> 4.11.1 for Raring ready ? :)\
[13:52] <smartboyhw> soee, we haven't got 4.11.1 ready for Saucy I think
[13:53] <soee> smartboyhw, yeah one package failed from what i see
[13:53] <soee> but http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.1_raring.html
[13:53] <smartboyhw> soee, ah, it's done
[13:53] <smartboyhw> soee, which? We can fix that
[13:54] <soee> oh 2
[13:54] <soee> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.1_saucy.html
[13:54] <smartboyhw> soee, heh heh
[13:54] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:55] <smartboyhw> soee, that's why I'm saying it isn't fixed yet
[13:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer is supposed to be patching
[13:55] <shadeslayer> I'm supposed to be what?
[13:55] <soee> ;D
[13:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, patching kde-workspace 4.11.1 in Ninjas PPA!?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> wasn't that done
[13:56] <shadeslayer> more new symbols :S
[13:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :S
[13:59] <soee> ok cu you later
[14:05] <apol_> Hi, isn't there a bodega client package anywhere?
[14:05] <Riddell> agateau: meh oem-config broken too at least on virtualbox bug 1220193
[14:05] <agateau> Riddell: damn :/
[14:06] <Riddell> agateau: I'm guessing it's not hard to make it fail gracefully if NM isn't running
[14:06] <Riddell> but for the ubiquity only install we need to work out how to get NM running as that's the whole point
[14:07] <Riddell> lordievader: you did an OEM install on amd64 with oem-config running ok?
[14:07] <agateau> Riddell: I agree with both your points
[14:07] <agateau> I can have a look at it tomorrow
[14:07] <smartboyhw> \o/ http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
[14:08] <lordievader> Riddell: On the image of yesterday yes. Was there a respin?
[14:08] <lordievader> Riddell: However it had the bug that the oem user was present after running the initial config.
[14:09] <Riddell> lordievader: no respin, so maybe it's only in virtualbox or when no wifi is present or something
[14:09] <lordievader> Riddell: I tested it in VB indeed, the vm had an internet connection.
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you got the scoop :)
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:10] <Riddell> lordievader: oh interesting, then I've no idea why I got it and you didn't
[14:10] <Riddell> lordievader: I was i386 you were amd64 but I don't see that should affect it
[14:11] <lordievader> Riddell: At your side the oem user was removed?
[14:12] <Riddell> lordievader: I didn't get that far, oem setup crashed
[14:12] <lordievader> I think that is the real issue, yes.
[14:13] <lordievader> I wasn't sure if it was ment to disappear or that it crashed.
[14:14] <Riddell> nah it didn't just disappear it crashed with a crash dialogue before it started
[14:15] <Riddell> you'd have noticed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220193/+attachment/3802437/+files/wireless-crash.png  :)
[14:22] <Riddell> hi manchicken
[14:43] <Quintasan> yofel__: You don't happen to know any tools to "draw" relations between machines in a network?
[14:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: dia?
[14:46] <Riddell> calligra flow?
[14:49] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll actually give calligra a go
[14:50] <mikhas> pencil & paper never let me down
[14:50] <mikhas> and fax machines
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Yeah, ready!
[15:22] <Riddell> well, more testing would be good, I don't trust images only I've tested
[15:23] <Riddell> and more testing on oem especially good
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we're actually investigating if flavours are supposed to support OEM testcases-.-
[15:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that'll be up to the flavour
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no, we are meaning for all flavours
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it'll be up to the flavour to decide
[15:25] <Riddell> I'd like to support it for system 76 and anyone else
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well, can't do the test today
[15:25] <smartboyhw> And tomorrow I need to still do the Ubuntu Studio upgrade tests (for amd64)
[15:26] <smartboyhw> So, can't join in
[15:28] <Riddell> yofel: I just suspended three times :)
[15:34] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion bluedevil 1.3.2
[15:34] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220779
[15:34] <smartboyhw> ^ Let's do it after Beta 1
[15:35] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion libbluedevil 1.9.4
[15:35] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220780
[15:36] <smartboyhw> ^ Sae
[15:36] <smartboyhw> *Same
[15:59] <ejat> hi .. after upgrade to saucy .. my kde desktop window manager missing .. i tried to reinstall then this come up
[16:00] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6063145/
[16:00] <ejat> anyone can help?
[16:00] <ejat> is there a way to force install the dependencies?
[22:31] <valorie> Riddell: the /SaucyUpgrades page looks good
[22:32] <valorie> this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu has a funky pink glow around Muon Discover image
[23:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1217639] 13.10 Daily Build has no icon for Wireless Network on the Panel @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1217639 (by Marco Parillo)


[08:51] <alourie> good morning
[08:51] <mdke> morning alourie
[08:55] <alourie> mdke: I have a bug and need help resolving it, do you have a moment?
[08:55] <mdke> alourie: I have a few minutes, shoot
[08:56] <alourie> I've installed latest Maverick build
[08:56] <alourie> default everything, English
[08:56] <alourie> when I start Help and Support, it shows a bunch of cryptic symbols
[08:56] <alourie> very unappropriate :-)
[08:57] <alourie> so, where would I start with this?
[08:57] <alourie> s/unappropriate/inappropriate/
[08:57] <mdke> you're suffering from a bug that has already been reported, it's shown at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/605577
[08:58] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 605577 in yelp (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Help contents title bar shows cubes with numbers instead of a proper title (affects: 111) (dups: 59) (heat: 726)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:58] <alourie> ah
[08:58] <mdke> There is not much you can do except for wait for it to be resolved
[08:58] <alourie> mdke: yea, imagined that, just tried to find it myself. Thanks :-)
[08:58] <mdke> np
[08:59]  * mdke is off to work
[17:02] <jono> mdke, around?
[17:02] <mdke> jono: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[17:03] <zkriesse> What do you need jono
[17:03] <jono> mdke, I am coordinating a review of our major communities and how easy it is to get involved and participate
[17:03] <jono> I am looking for two volunteers to help lead this work for the docs team
[17:03] <jono> starcraftman, would you be interested in helping?
[17:03] <zkriesse> For the docs team or from the docs team
[17:03] <jono> zkriesse, either
[17:04] <zkriesse> Ah
[17:04] <jono> someone to focus on the docs team and how easy it is to participate
[17:04] <zkriesse> depends upon what part of the doc team
[17:04] <jono> the team as a whole
[17:04] <jono> someone wants to write docs for ubuntu, this process is how easy they can get involved
[17:05] <zkriesse> ah
[17:06] <zkriesse> Well writing help documentation for ubuntu is fairly easy
[17:06] <zkriesse> https://help.ubuntu.com/community is where all the community contributed docs go
[17:06] <jono> right
[17:06] <zkriesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com is for Ubuntu Teams and Project(s) pages


[00:09] <BenC> Laney: I'll check on it
[00:11] <BenC> Laney: hopefully that failure is something stupid like endian issues
[00:48] <darkxst_> jbicha, any idea where I can file a bug against gdm off ricotz ppa?
[00:56] <jbicha> darkxst_: you can go ahead and file against gdm, once we get the bugs worked out, I'd like to upload the newer gdm into ubuntu and filing that bug helps
[00:59] <darkxst_> jbicha, ok
[02:37] <darkxst_> jbicha, with a trivial patch and can now boot into gdm ;)
[02:49] <jbicha> darkxst_: cool!
[02:51] <jbicha> darkxst_: the other two major bugs we have are: broken locale support and the keyring doesn't get auto-unlocked
[02:57] <darkxst_> jbicha, yeh I noticed the keyring thing
[02:59] <jbicha> I'm guessing we should look at the PAM code for that
[03:28] <darkxst> jbicha, looks like it is using the autologin pam profile
[03:30] <darkxst> when it probably should be using /etc/pam.d/gdm (for password login)
[03:52] <pitti> Good morning
[04:13] <darkxst> jbicha, however when I change to the correct pam profile, gdm breaks ;(
[04:17] <jbicha> darkxst: well that might not be it. What I was referring to is that upstream now ships 3 different PAM profiles
[04:17] <jbicha> and the current Ubuntu profile is slightly different than the Debian one but I don't understand the GDM/PAM stuff
[04:17] <jbicha> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/tree/data
[04:18] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh, and the debian packaging is using the gdm-autologin profile
[04:57] <darkxst> jbicha, I think I fixed it
[05:01] <darkxst> jbicha, you need to create another link in gdm.postinst
[05:02] <darkxst> ln -s gdm /etc/pam.d/gdm-password
[05:23] <darkxst> jbicha, I have to run, filed this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1042052
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24] <dholbach> ogra_, would it be possible for you to swap with bilal on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable?
[07:38] <tumbleweed> dholbach: can bilal make later on wednesday (ideally, I'd like to swap too, something came up on wednesday evening. an earlier slot or different day would be great)
[07:38] <dholbach> tumbleweed, no bilal can only make Tuesday
[07:38] <tumbleweed> ah, never mind then
[07:39]  * tumbleweed will survive
[07:39] <bilal> I'll be unavailable throughout Wednesday and Thursday
[07:53] <dholbach> ivoks, happy birthday! :)
[07:57] <ogra_> dholbach, i would have answered the mail if i could ... :)
[07:57] <dholbach> ah ok, yes - you were CCed
[07:59] <ogra_> (i got teh same meetings as barry)
[08:00] <dholbach> I'm sure slangasek would understand, if you missed one and gave somebody else your notes :)
[08:01] <ivoks> dholbach: thanks :)
[08:03] <bilal> dholbach: so that leaves us with mterry, right? let's see if he agrees
[08:03] <ogra_> dholbach, apart from the fact that i have to write up a summary of the meeting for the release meeting on friday, yeah :P
[08:06] <dholbach> ogra_, there's always the logs and it'd give you an extra day to prepare your session :)
[08:07] <ogra_> haha, you wont convince me :)
[08:18] <dholbach> can somebody help me reject a few merge proposals?
[08:21] <dholbach> can somebody please reject the following merge proposals? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169455/
[08:53] <pitti> dholbach: erledigt :)
[09:14] <dholbach> danke pitti
[09:15] <dholbach> pitti, do we have a tool which tells us if a source package can be safely removed? (check all packages if they're a depends or build-depends somewhere)
[09:18] <hsn> what can i do for help translating ubuntu?
[09:18] <pitti> dholbach: there is checkrdepends in ubuntu-archive-tools, but it needs a mirror to work with
[09:19] <dholbach> ah ok, thanks pitti
[09:19] <pitti> dholbach: there is reverse-depends and reverse-build-depends in ubuntu-dev-tools, but I guess they only check the architecture you are running on, not all of them
[09:20] <dholbach> thanks
[09:24] <dholbach> pitti, updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive
[09:24]  * ogra_ curses launchpad
[09:24] <ogra_> *LOUDLY*
[09:25] <ogra_> thats the third time i file a bug today and end up at the error page ...
[09:25] <ogra_> with all my input lost :(
[09:26] <dholbach> pitti, did you get some bug reports about apport using 100% cpu for an extended period of time?
[09:29] <Sweetshark> ogra_: cursing doesnt help, do the angry-old-man-fistshake!
[09:29] <ogra_> heh
[09:30] <ogra_> well, it helped to file bug 1042151
[09:30] <ogra_> pitti, btw, the component-mistmaches tool that sends the reports to ubuntu-release doesnt seem to take restricted build-deps into account, is that on purpose ?
[09:30] <Sweetshark> ogra_: http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/angry/angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon.gif <- threaten lp with that
[09:31] <ogra_> LOL
[09:37] <pitti> erk, DSL reconnect
[09:37] <pitti> dholbach: wiki> thanks
[09:37] <pitti> dholbach: apport 100% cpu> not recently; can you reproduce it?
[09:39] <pitti> ogra_: it's meant to consider restricted
[09:39] <dholbach> pitti, it's happening right now and happened some days ago too
[09:40] <dholbach> pitti, I can give you the logs and the crash file it's currently working on (at least according to lsof)
[09:40] <pitti> dholbach: which process in particular is using the CPU? (check in top)
[09:40] <pitti> dholbach: something called from a hook, or apport-gtk itself?
[09:41] <dholbach>  /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/apport/apport 2662 11 0
[09:41] <pitti> oh, that part, it's still crashing
[09:42] <dholbach> what do you want me to do? :)
[09:42] <pitti> most of the activity is usually due to compressing core dumps; what crashed exactly?
[09:42] <pitti> dholbach: can you strace it and check if it's still reading data?
[09:42] <pitti> if it doesn't read anything but burns CPU, attaching gdb to it and seeing where it's currently stuck might help, too
[09:43] <pitti> if the core dump is huge, compressing it will take a bit, but that's the only thing I'm aware of
[09:43] <pitti> if it's stuck somewhere else, I'm interested in fixing that
[09:44] <dholbach> I guess the core dump was huge and it just finished and redirected me to (https://launchpad.net/bugs/929219)
[09:45] <dholbach> but it took like 10-15 minutes at the very least on a quad-core machine with SSD disk
[09:45] <dholbach> sounds a bit weird
[09:45] <pitti> how big is the .crash?
[09:45] <dholbach> 29M
[09:46] <pitti> ok, that's not exactly small; I'll take a closer look once the bug gets retraced and I can access it
[09:47] <pitti> there might be a way to speed it up somehow, python's zlib might be much slower than calling gzip and piping
[09:48] <dholbach> ok
[09:49] <pitti> dholbach: oh, this bug -- LP timed out
[09:51] <pitti> dholbach: oh, this bug -- LP timed out
[09:51] <pitti> sorry, EFOCUS
[09:52] <tumbleweed> everyhting seems to timeout these days :/
[10:03] <ogra_> micahg, seeing the xubuntu build failures you might want the same seed change lubuntu-meta got recently
[10:03] <ogra_> or mr_pouit ^^^
[10:26] <doko> hmm, any qmake exports online?
[10:43] <Sweetshark> moin all!
[10:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: can you unconfuse me about source package clucene-core? there is a version <IP_ADDRESS>-2 in debian but an autosynced 0.9.21b-2 in quantal. how is that?
[10:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clucene-core.html
[10:46] <seb128> unstable
[10:46] <seb128>     save 0.9.21b-2
[10:46] <seb128> sorry about the "save", select fail
[10:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, we don't think from experimental by default
[10:48] <Sweetshark> seb128: ah, doh - the debian package pages are even more confusing than lp. I took a wrong turn and got diverted to experimental.
[10:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, I've a bookmark with a keyword on "http://packages.qa.debian.org/%s"
[10:50] <seb128> so I can just "debsrc <source>" in my firefox and get to the summary page
[10:51] <seb128> the pts pages are easy to ready and have most of the infos you need
[10:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: so debian uses system clucene now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=661703 -- shall I continue to use the internal clucence copy (Im doing that now, but it makes the package bigger obviously) or shall we try to FFE clucene from experimental?
[10:54] <xclaesse> upgrades should *really* remove old kernel images and headers
[10:54] <xclaesse> this weekend I had to fix my mother's computer: a 15G / partition full for a simple ubuntu installation (initial install was some years ago)
[10:56] <xclaesse> reason: kernel images and headers accumulated (since 2.6.24) was taking ~9G
[10:56] <seb128> Sweetshark, go for the ffe I guess
[10:56] <xclaesse> seriously, it still had 2.6.24 kernels on a Precise system...
[10:56] <seb128> xclaesse, yeah, it's a known issue (and surprisingly hard to get resolved) :-(
[10:57] <xclaesse> seb128, it happened exactly 0 times to need an older kernel
[10:57] <xclaesse> in all my ubuntu experience
[10:57] <xclaesse> the package could just replace the previous one
[10:57] <xclaesse> that should be trivial, no?
[10:58] <xclaesse> (well, being a dev as well, I know things that seems trivial aren't :)
[10:59] <ricotz> xclaesse, replacing the previous kernel is a *bad* idea!
[10:59] <seb128> xclaesse, well, if there is a bug for your hardware on the new kernel one day you will be happy to have an old kernel to boot
[11:00] <ricotz> xclaesse, seb128 a simple sweep-tool suggesting to remove *ancient* kernels of previous ubuntu release would be reasonable though
[11:02] <Bluefoxicy> blah.
[11:02] <Bluefoxicy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/+bug/1042194
[11:03] <Bluefoxicy> probably a duplicate of something, since there's 10 million MTP bugs listed in launchpad but none look quite like what I'm looking for
[11:03] <Bluefoxicy> they're all like "Cannot use X device" or "cannot write files to Sony walkman"
[11:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clucene-core/+bug/1042192
[12:16] <micahg> pitti: dholbach: reverse-depends and reverse-build-depends at least in 12.04+ should query ubuntuwire and check all archs AIUI
[12:16] <dholbach> ah cool
[12:40] <Laney> excuse me while I repeat my question from #-release yesterday
[12:40] <Laney> to update P-a-s, do we just push to lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/packages-arch-specific/ubuntu?
[12:40] <Laney> is there some workflow to sync it with Debian or something?
[12:42] <jamespage> Laney, I'm pretty sure that is the right branch - P-a-S syncs periodically from it from memory
[12:43] <Laney> I think I remember some weird workflow but I'm not sure
[12:48] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagesArchSpecific
[13:21] <mterry> ogra_, hello!  So this dri2 MIR: you mention it's a split out copy from mesa, but it doesn't look like it's the same content as the other dri2.c files in mesa?  (forgive me, I'm not super familiar with graphic drivers)
[13:22] <ogra_> i dont think its a 1:1 code copy, no
[13:23] <mterry> ogra_, OK.  And it's a separate upstream?  Like a fork of the code or something?  Why use this instead of mesa's libs?
[13:24] <ogra_> there are no libs in mesa for dri2 atm, thats the point :)
[13:24] <ogra_> everyone accesses it differently
[13:24] <ogra_> this is an attempt to unify
[13:24] <mterry> ah
[13:25] <mterry> and the hope is that mesa would use it in the future?
[13:25] <mterry> or at least various drivers (like the arm one does apparently) use it
[13:25] <ogra_> mterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169816/
[13:26] <ogra_> rob is the upstream (thats also on irclogs.u.c in the #ubuntu-arm channel from 23rd if you want to see more context)
[13:26]  * mterry reads
[13:28] <mterry> k
[14:04] <hrw> hi
[14:04] <mterry> mvo, hello!  Btw, that phased-updates branch does still have an error in it on i386 branches.  I had told you that it didn't, but that's only when running nosetests3 directly on it.  If you run nosetests3 on the suite, previous tests that instantiate MyCache, which inits the apt_pkg system seem to mess one of your tests up
[14:05] <hrw> I added debdiff to fix aptitude bug 824708 for precise. Can someone take a look at possible SRU?
[14:05] <mterry> mvo, because the apt_pkg system is initialized with i386 and then later you try to use amd64, but it's ignored
[14:59] <bdrung> kengyu: have you heard of wrap-and-sort?
[15:00] <kengyu> bdrung, no. (sorry for the author) :-)
[15:01] <bdrung> kengyu: now you have. ;) i recommend to use it :)
[15:03] <kengyu> bdrung, yes, I will definitely try it. :-)
[15:04] <bdrung> kengyu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:05]  * bdrung pressed crtl+w in the wrong window.
[15:41] <smoser> cyphermox, around?
[15:42] <cyphermox> smoser: yup
[15:42] <smoser> i've just rebooted this system, logged back in, and busted resolv.conf
[15:42] <smoser> (you helped me before with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1034946)
[15:42] <cyphermox> smoser: check if it's the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/1042275
[15:43] <cyphermox> basically, you'd see <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/resolv.conf
[15:44] <smoser> yes
[15:44] <smoser> i do have dnsmasq installed
[15:45] <smoser> just a bit of fyi, lxc installs: /etc/dnsmasq.d/lxc
[15:45] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170081/
[15:47] <smoser> anyone else with a second display running current unity in quantal?
[15:49] <smoser> i can' make "auto hide the launcher", "sticky edges" or "launcher placement" work. it wont hide, appears on all displays, and i have that annoying sticky edges.
[15:51] <smoser> cyphermox, so you're telling me "disable" ?
[15:52] <cyphermox> smoser: I can test the dual display in a second (need to take my laptop because if i upgrade this system it might break)
[15:52] <cyphermox> smoser: no, I'm telling you if it's the same thing we need to figure out why dnsmasq writes that file out when it really really shouldn't :)
[15:53] <cyphermox> as a workaround you could disable the system dnsmasq, or the one from network-manager if the system one is properly configured
[15:53]  * cyphermox is starting to dislike dnsmasq
[16:04] <smoser> cyphermox, thanks.
[16:08] <smoser> cyphermox, well, disabling the system dnsmasq makes my current pain point go away.
[16:08] <cyphermox> yeah it's just not optimal if you need it ;)
[17:19] <ogra_> infinity, did the branch for livecd-rootfs move or did colin actually not commit his changes
[17:20] <infinity> ogra_: Eh?  Looks committed to me.  Or did you just do that?
[17:20]  * infinity checks the log.
[17:21] <infinity> revno: 602
[17:21] <infinity> tags: 2.76
[17:21] <infinity> committer: Colin Watson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:21] <infinity> branch nick: livecd-rootfs
[17:21] <infinity> timestamp: Thu 2012-08-23 11:10:28 +0100
[17:21] <infinity> message:
[17:21] <ogra_> well, do i use the wrong branch ?
[17:21] <infinity>   releasing version 2.76
[17:21] <infinity> ^-- After that is a commit from you, so you clearly know where it lives. :P
[17:21] <infinity>   checkout of branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/
[17:23] <ogra_> hmm, right, wrong local branch
[17:24] <dobey> is errors.ubuntu.com broken?
[17:25] <ogra_> works here
[17:25] <dobey> ogra_: the list of all the errors loads too?
[17:25] <ogra_> ah, no
[17:25]  * ogra_ tries https://errors.ubuntu.com/?launchpad=false
[17:25] <ogra_> aha
[17:26] <ogra_> that seems to work
[17:26] <ogra_> ev, ^^^
[17:26] <dobey> hrmm
[17:28] <ogra_> evil weather indicator
[17:29] <dobey> evil errors reporting apparently mixing up version information :-/
[18:34] <smoser> anyone else using xchat on quantal?
[18:34] <smoser> the scrolling seems screwed up for me after last update
[18:34] <smoser> by scrolling i mean grabbing the overlay scroll bar
[20:36] <trism> did the compression options change on the quantal iso squashfs? I'm only getting ~4% complete on an iso from 2 days ago
[20:36] <trism> with zsync that is
[20:40] <trism> oh sorry, must have been a weird build on the weekend, an older iso is ~53%
[20:44] <Laney> yeah, there was some slight bustage there
[20:45] <roaksoax> jdstrand: howdy!! So I'm finishing up the packaging of the cobblerless maas, and I was wondering a few, security related things. 1. MAAS needs to be able to restart a service, so I was thinking to add maas to sudoers, is that a good approach? 2. MAAS needs to write files under both, etc/bind, /etc/dhcp/, What wuold the best approach to do so be? (maas runs as its own user/group)
[20:52] <Laney> dobey: what's the point of those u1 uploads you just did? They don't appear to have any changes ...
[20:54] <dobey> Laney: scheduled releases for beta1 freeze target
[20:59] <micahg> dobey: releases for the sake of releasing seems pointless
[21:00] <micahg> at least for a beta
[21:00] <Laney> and it uses buildd time and bandwidth
[21:00] <micahg> ah, I was mistaken then, not pointless, wasteful :)
[21:01] <dobey> it's not releases for the sake of realasing. it's to keep our suite of projects the same version across the board so it's easier to support
[21:06] <micahg> it's still doesn't make sense from the distro side of things (especially for a beta), I could see doing it for a final release though if that's what will be shipping in quantal at release
[21:07]  * micahg isn't saying you can't do it, just that it seems to not make sense
[21:11] <slangasek> @pilot in
[21:11] <slangasek> ev: are you still piloting? :)
[21:20] <ia> Hello. Probably this channel not for my question, but I take a chance. Let's say I have a hardware with cpu CPUNAME; If I want to compile C/C++ app for this, then I'm doing something like gcc -march=CPUNAME and it works. But how can I do cross recompilation of some existing deb package [from official ubuntu repo] for such CPUNAME? I guess, that should exist some [auto] tools for this, so when ubuntu dev team preparing packages for arm,x86 and x86-64 from the
[21:20] <ia>  same sources/packages, they probably don't do all those stuff by hands. So I will be very appreciate for pointing me to any relevant direction for solution of this issue. Thanks.
[21:22] <slangasek> ia: DEB_CFLAGS_APPEND=-march=CPUNAME dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -B
[21:22] <slangasek> this is not guaranteed to work for all packages; but it is the standard interface
[21:22] <slangasek> and if it doesn't work, you can file a bug on the package (preferably in Debian)
[21:23] <slangasek> ia: however, this is entirely unrelated to how packages are prepared for different architectures.  *that* is done by native compilation on the target architecture, using a gcc that outputs binaries for the target machine by default.
[21:27] <ia> slangasek: right. I forgot about detail - let's say we need not only flag, but another CC value - instead of gcc something like ARCH-gnu-linux-gcc, then what?
[21:28] <slangasek> ia: then for that, you want dpkg-buildpackage -a$arch, where $arch is an architecture name which is known to dpkg and which has a correct mapping to the GNU triplet you need
[21:28] <slangasek> dpkg-buildpackage -a$arch is how you cross-compile.  Support for cross-compilation is much, much less complete in the Ubuntu archive compared with support for DEB_CFLAGS_APPEND
[21:31] <ia> slangasek: very interesting, thank you; one more question - what about automation? let's say I want to do it not only with one package, but with all packages from 'main' part of repository - I guess, that somehow I should use apt-build? Any working recipes for such case?
[21:32] <slangasek> ia: there are several tools for archive autobuilding; xdeb is one intended specifically for in-place cross-bootstrapping of a port
[21:33] <slangasek> if that doesn't meet your needs, Ubuntu uses sbuild for the building and launchpad for the build scheduling; and Debian uses sbuild+wanna-build.
[21:34] <slangasek> the hard part is figuring out which packages to build in what order for purposes of bootstrapping.  There's been some Google Summer of Code work in Debian around that this year, but the results haven't yet been incorporated into the mainline tools AFAIK
[21:43] <ia> slangasek: interesting and useful information, thanks again. BTW, I think that it will be cool to see some articles (at wiki.ubuntu, for example) with detailed instructions how exactly ubuntu dev team is building packages - from upstream/debian sources to iso generation for misc. arch's, so anybody can repeat it; I think that it will be very interesting and useful for advanced users/developers. Probably somewhere such information is available already, but I
[21:43] <ia> can't google it easily
[21:47] <slangasek> ia: most of the things you're asking about aren't related to how Ubuntu themselves are building packages, and are in such rough form that they're not interesting to document at this stage :)
[21:50] <jdstrand> roaksoax: hmm, sorry for the delay. I need to think about that. Can you send an email to security at ubuntu.com for what you are thinking you'd like to do?
[21:51] <roaksoax> jdstrand: will do! Thanks!
[21:51] <roaksoax> :)


[00:52] <wrst> well that is cool... wifi printer and sacanning works also
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