[00:57] <toothe> I just installed kubuntu-desktop, but don't want all the extra packages that came with it.
[00:57] <toothe> so, I want to remove libre and all the others
[00:57] <toothe> Is there a way I can completely remove kubuntu-desktop and its associated packages, and reinstall it?
[00:57] <toothe> when I do apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, only 1 package is removed - but about 40+ others just installed over 30 minutes
[00:58] <bprompt> hmm
[00:59] <bprompt> toothe:     did you do an "autoremove" yet?
[01:00] <toothe> yes...
[01:00] <toothe> nada...
[01:00] <toothe> short of reinstalling the entire OS, I can't think of what to do...
[01:01] <bprompt> usually    some of the 40+ packages were upgrades..... not actual additions...usually.. and thus they do not get removed because some other app was using them to begin with
[01:02] <toothe> perhaps...
[01:11] <ildefonso> toothe, tbh, I am not sure you can do that automatically (however, it should be possible)... if you really want to do that, you may just use "aptitude", and manually remove the packages you don't want.
[01:42] <yoryor> What is the difference between...
[02:01] <rom1504> yes
[09:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:49] <jdwwatts> ok any idea how you load a iso desktop to a flash drive usb stick so the toshiba lap top can see a bootable img
[09:52] <lordievader> jdwwatts: Unetbootin ;)
[09:54] <jdwwatts> notsure what that means
[09:56] <lordievader> jdwwatts: It is a program for creating live-usb sticks.
[09:57] <jdwwatts> ok
[10:00] <jdwwatts> right now i experienced a horendous lockup hard drive erasing update in red hat on this computer and now it wont even install packages after the update failed
[10:01] <lordievader> jdwwatts: You are aware this is Kubuntu support and not RedHat support?
[10:01] <jdwwatts> so i want to put kbuntu on it instead
[10:01] <jdwwatts> yes
[10:02] <jdwwatts> because i want to install kbuntu on it
[12:03] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic
[12:03] <lordievader> Hihi 3.16 is EOL: kernel.org
[12:04] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic vivid
[12:23] <MoonUnit`> went back to 14.04 today, playing back some videos killed the pc, didn't seem to matter which kernel i used.
[12:24] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Could you be more descriptive? 'killed the pc'?
[12:26] <MoonUnit`> vlc/smplayer video window went green then the screen died then came back with odd colours, no keyboard or mouse and couldn't ssh in to see the logs
[12:28] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: What card/driver?
[12:28] <MoonUnit`> tried 3.16 through 3.17 and 3.18-rc kernels, didn't seem to change anything.
[12:28] <MoonUnit`> HD6970 using r600 opensource driver.
[12:29] <lordievader> Utopic?
[12:29] <MoonUnit`> yes
[12:29] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Ok, did you try the closed source driver?
[12:30] <MoonUnit`> no
[12:30] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Try it ;)
[12:30] <MoonUnit`> no :)
[12:30] <MoonUnit`> i'll stick with LTS, didn't gain much with 14.10 anyway.
[12:31] <lordievader> Why not?
[12:32] <MoonUnit`> opensource driver suits me fine, don't have to worry about installing a new kernel and having dkms problems
[12:34] <lordievader> You could at least try it to see if the problem persists with that driver.
[12:34] <MoonUnit`> already setup trusty again, not going to waste anymore time on it.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:08] <norman_> hello
[14:08] <lordievader> o/
[15:12] <murthy> lordievader: Yesterday you asked me to create a bug report even though I told you it could be a marked as a duplicate, so created one yesterday, now its marked as duplicate and I feel fooled
[15:13] <lordievader> murthy: Hehe, oh well. Odd though that it is marked as a duplicate. Is it marked a duplicate of valorie's bug?
[15:14] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340747
[15:15] <lordievader> murthy: This is a different bug (the source) from the one that was discussed yesterday?
[15:16] <murthy> lordievader: now you speak logic, why didn't you ask me to check for duplicate yesterday
[15:17] <murthy> lordievader:  valorie, specifically told there where many similar reports
[15:18] <lordievader> murthy: Err, I thought that was one of the steps. Besides it was late ;). But having a bug report marked duplicate does not matter, be glad that you filed a bug ;)
[15:22] <murthy> lordievader: I can understand about the need for bug reporting and I know it was an odd hour. The thing is the bug squad and the devs are suffering because of this. I like bug reporting and I dont mind the report marked as duplicate unless it affects the devs.
[15:24] <lordievader> murthy: True, it is good pratice to check for duplicate bug reports before filing a new one ;)
[15:25] <murthy> lordievader: We are agreed then. I hope you are not feeling bad about me
[15:25] <lordievader> murthy: Why should I?
[15:26] <murthy> lordievader: for wasting your time, when you could be helping others :)
[15:27] <lordievader> murthy: Hehe, you didn't waste my time ;)
[15:28] <murthy> lordievader: thank you, see you later
[15:28] <lordievader> murthy: Talk to you later ;)
[16:32] <renzorzons> hola una consulta es recomendable actualizar kde 4.13 a kde4.14 en kubuntu 14.04
[16:36] <lordievader> !es | renzorzons
[18:08] <MrS1lentcz> hello folks, I have new installed kubuntu on i7 haswell with nvidia 840 graphic card. I have installed nvidia-current and reboot os, but x-server was not started. any ideas? i am in terminal mode there...
[18:14] <BluesKaj_> MrS1lentcz, there is no nvidia-current driver on 14.10. Try removing it since it's most likely an old driver and rebooting into kubuntu .Then oppen system settings and choose the driver manager, from there choose the recommended nvidia driver
[18:15] <BluesKaj_> rebooting = reboot
[18:16] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: driver manager was empty so i tried install nvidia-current..
[18:17] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: is the way, how can i fix xorg.conf.d automatically for intel graphics?
[18:18] <MrS1lentcz> now it references to nvidia...
[18:18] <BluesKaj_> remove nvidia current anyway since it's old and not suitable, once back in kubuntu you will be on the the default nouveau driver, update and upgrade with apt-get
[18:18] <BluesKaj_> MrS1lentcz, no need for xorg.conf
[18:19] <BluesKaj_> just make sure the bios/uefi is using the nvidia graphics
[18:20] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: i cannot update repository if i am in terminal mode without using wifi connection manager
[18:21] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: so does exist any things what can i to do for startkde ?
[18:22] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: because it's in dead state, i can reinstall it only :/
[18:22] <BluesKaj_> MrS1lentcz, you need to be connected to the internet in  order to update/upgrade, try an etherenet connection if available, otherwise your install can't be finished properly
[18:23] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: i am not linux guru, i dont know how can i to do without x-server from terminal mode
[18:23] <MrS1lentcz> :(
[18:24] <BluesKaj_> are you familiar with apt-get commands in the terminal ?
[18:25] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: no, but i am familiar for using wifi manager from terminal
[18:27] <maysara> Hi, baloo is using the processor which makes the fan works all the time and it's annoying. What can I do other than disabling desktop search?
[18:27] <BluesKaj_> MrS1lentcz, run this in the terminal, sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current , then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, then, startx
[18:28] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: nvidia-current is removed, but i have no active internet connection
[18:28] <BluesKaj_> maysara, afaik baloo on ly runs for a couplr minutes atfter bootup
[18:28] <MrS1lentcz> apt-get reports "url" cannot be resolved
[18:29] <MrS1lentcz> i dot know how can i connect to wifi router without manager from terminal, do you understand? :( aptitude is easy for using
[18:30] <BluesKaj_> MrS1lentcz, you have no access to an ethernet connection, even just temporarily ?
[18:31] <BluesKaj_> just connect ot the ethernet on thje router, you won't need a network manager for that
[18:31] <BluesKaj_> ot=to
[18:31] <maysara> BluesKaj_: I'm using the laptop for 5 hours now and baloo is running since then.
[18:32] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: I have not utp cable here :/
[18:32] <BluesKaj_> maysara, it shouldn't be unless you'ew letting it index your whole install
[18:34] <MrS1lentcz> BluesKaj_: i have solved this... i changed "nvidia" option with "intel" in xorg.conf... thank you for your time
[18:36] <BluesKaj_> that's your choice, than after upgrading you can open the driver manager and choose the nvidia recommended driver
[18:36] <BluesKaj_> than=then
[18:42] <Phillies> im having some problems getting my connection to vpn to work on kubuntu 14.10 since upgrading not sure waht the problem is   same info   it says it connected by no traffic at all   not sure what the problem is at all not sure where to ask for help :/
[18:42] <Phillies> but
[18:44] <BluesKaj_> Phillies, are your vpn servers listed in network manager?. if not you may have to reinstall your client and server software
[18:45] <Phillies> yeah i redid the server info and it says it connects but no sites work
[18:47] <BluesKaj_> Phillies, which vpn ptotocol ?
[18:47] <BluesKaj_> err rotocol rather
[18:49] <BluesKaj_> anyway, is it openvpn ?
[18:50] <BluesKaj_> Phillies, ^
[19:19] <Phillies> yeah openvpn sorry
[19:19] <Phillies> using privateinternetaccess provider
[19:21] <Phillies> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/#ubuntu_openvpn_installer    followed this pretty much the instructions for ubuntu
[19:21] <Phillies> slighty diffrent cause its 14.10 but whatever essentially the same
[19:22] <lordievader> Phillies: What exactly doesn't work?
[19:22] <renzorzons> hello is recommended to install kde 4.14 en kubuntu 14.04??
[19:22] <Phillies> i enter in all the vpn info      click connect it says it conencts   but no traffic while it says this
[19:22] <Phillies> the net doesnt work again until i disconnect from vpn
[19:23] <lordievader> Phillies: Could you give the output of 'ip r' before you connect to the vpn and while you are connected to the vpn?
[19:24] <lordievader> !paste | Phillies
[19:25] <Phillies> sure thanks 1 sec
[19:26] <Phillies> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8888790/
[19:27] <Phillies> https://i.imgur.com/tLIUDNn.jpg
[19:28] <lordievader> Phillies: I get the feeling that the default gateway is wrong when the vpn connection is live.
[19:30] <lordievader> Phillies: Could you run "sudo ip r del default&&sudo ip r add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev tun0 proto static" while connected to the vpn?
[19:48] <Phillies> 1 sec thanks
[19:50] <Phillies> RTNETLINK answers: No such process
[19:50] <Phillies> RTNETLINK answers: No such process
[19:51] <Phillies> RTNETLINK answers: No such process
[19:51] <Phillies> dunno if that wprked   connection issues
[19:57] <MrS1lentcz> so, what is the best practice for install nvidia drivers?
[19:58] <MrS1lentcz> download latest "run" file from nvidia official site?
[19:59] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: no
[19:59] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: apt-get install nvidia-current
[19:59] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: if you have an recent card
[20:00] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: command "apt-get install nvidia-current" is the reason why I had to reinstall my new system
[20:00] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: "(19:08:33) MrS1lentcz: hello folks, I have new installed kubuntu on i7 haswell with nvidia 840 graphic card. I have installed nvidia-current and reboot os, but x-server was not started. any ideas? i am in terminal mode there..."
[20:01] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: maybe it is better to use nouveau
[20:01] <lfrlucas> What is your card
[20:01] <MrS1lentcz> GF 840M
[20:01] <MrS1lentcz> kubuntu 14.10
[20:02] <lfrlucas> kde 4?
[20:02] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: i dont know which kde version is in 14.10, wait
[20:03] <lfrlucas> i think there are two versions of kubuntu 14.10
[20:03] <lfrlucas> one of them brings the unstable kde 5
[20:03] <lfrlucas> is your laptop new?
[20:03] <lfrlucas> or computer
[20:04] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: laptop
[20:04] <MrS1lentcz> oh, new :D
[20:04] <lfrlucas> hmm
[20:05] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: how can i find which kde version i have, please?
[20:05] <lfrlucas> open any kde app
[20:05] <lfrlucas> like dophin
[20:06] <Phillies> system settings
[20:06] <lfrlucas> go toa about
[20:06] <lfrlucas> About kde
[20:06] <Phillies> abut system
[20:06] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: 4.8.6
[20:06] <lfrlucas> chose About KDE
[20:07] <lfrlucas> not the other about
[20:07] <MrS1lentcz> kde4-config -v is relevant?
[20:07] <lfrlucas> 4.8.6 is qt version
[20:08] <MrS1lentcz> ok, mmt
[20:08] <lfrlucas> that command should say kde version
[20:08] <lfrlucas> ya, you are using the stable kde 4
[20:08] <MrS1lentcz> 4.14.1
[20:08] <lfrlucas> ya
[20:08] <lfrlucas> i don't know why nvidia-current is failing
[20:09] <lfrlucas> you should find other guys with the same card
[20:09] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: it set "nvidia" value to Screen 0 and it fails on it
[20:09] <MrS1lentcz> in xorg.conf
[20:09] <lfrlucas> you shouldn't touch in that file
[20:09] <lfrlucas> apt-get does it
[20:10] <lfrlucas> when you install nvidia
[20:10] <MrS1lentcz> if i set "intel" value, run "init 5" and startx, it works, but KWallet needed some password every click-up the dialog
[20:10] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: i touched only when xserver not boot
[20:11] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: so i had press "ctrl alt F1" and trying repair it
[20:12] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: but it was so unstable so i have to reinstall whole os
[20:12] <MrS1lentcz> and now you are saying i have to do the same :/
[20:13] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: can be a trouble if i am using external monitor as main single screen?
[20:17] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: maybe
[20:18] <lfrlucas> you should install and try it first without external monitors
[20:18] <lfrlucas> I would recomment kubuntu 14.04
[20:19] <lfrlucas> it will be suported for several years
[20:19] <lfrlucas>  and you can keep kde updated in kubuntu 14.04 by adding a specific PPA
[20:20] <bprompt> hmmm I run 12.04  just fine.... though I use an intel videocard
[20:21] <bprompt> MrS1lentcz:      doens't nvidia have a drivers download?
[20:33] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: bprompt I have installed nvidia-current but in nvidia x server settings i have only two options
[20:33] <bprompt> bleh
[20:33] <MrS1lentcz> nothing about any card
[20:33] <MrS1lentcz> application profiles and nvidia-settings configuration
[20:34] <lfrlucas> nvidia has drivers to download, but i do not recomend, because kubuntu cannot update it then
[20:35] <bprompt_> hmm     no need... nvidia would update them... thus
[20:36] <bprompt_> I recall using them in SuSE 9.2   in kde... they worked very well..... and the screen blanked out at first....  I think it was a setting in the nvidia-settings
[20:36] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: the same problem... black screen during booting :/
[20:43] <MrS1lentcz> the third reinstall for today....
[20:45] <MrS1lentcz> can anyone help me using team viewer? :)
[21:10] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: if I used notebook original monitor only and installed not current, but nvidia-343, i see driver in diver manager for first of day! :))
[21:16] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: successfully done :)
[21:20] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: hmmm
[21:21] <lfrlucas> You reinstal system every time it fails?
[21:21] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: You could just remove nvidia curretn
[21:23] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: yes :D
[21:23] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: i have not installed nvidia-current
[21:24] <lfrlucas> but you don't need to reinstall kubuntu every time something goes wrong
[21:24] <lfrlucas> just search the solution
[21:25] <MrS1lentcz> but I am confused now, what is better for switching graphic cards? i heard about bumblebee but from 14.04 is offered nvidia-prime, so ... any expierences, please?
[21:25] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: i know, but what can I to do if system not booted?
[21:26] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: You can try Ctrl-Alt-F1
[21:26] <lfrlucas> to change to console login
[21:26] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: and if i run "sudo init 5" and "startx /usr/bin/startkde" so kwallet reports bug every click-up the dialog ?
[21:27] <MrS1lentcz> no chance
[21:28] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: with console login you could remove nvidia-current
[21:29] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: yeah i done it
[21:30] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: but there is broken xorg.conf where is nvidia defined
[21:30] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: If you search the driver for your card in http://www.geforce.com/drivers , the 343 is the last supported. Maybe, that is the reason why nvidia-current doesn't work, and nvidia 343 does
[21:31] <MrS1lentcz> if I repaired it and run xsever, kwallet fails so i was offline and kwallet bombed me with never closed dialog window
[21:32] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: hmmm, I'm not aware of that problem. but you could reset kwallet removing its configs in your home
[21:32] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: after reboot wrong xorg settings were back
[21:32] <MrS1lentcz> lfrlucas: i did it too :)
[21:33] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: I think that xorg.conf should not exist. Nouveau (the open source nvidia driver) configures X automatically
[21:33] <lfrlucas> you should remove xorg when using nouveau.
[21:33] <lfrlucas> MrS1lentcz: But now it's ok
[21:34] <lfrlucas> If you nvidia-343 works don't modify xorg.conf
[21:47] <lordievader> Phillies: I was away from keyboard, what is the current status?
[22:03] <Phillies> RTNETLINK answers: No such process      ;   lordievader
[22:03] <Phillies> sorry i was afk
[22:05] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/rVezAAr.png
[22:05] <Moter8> Aaaahhhhhhhhh!
[22:07] <lordievader> Phillies: On which one exactly the deleting part or the adding part?
[22:09] <Phillies> when i ran the command that was the output
[22:09]  * Moter8 is about to pull out some hair
[22:09] <Phillies> sudo ip r del default&&sudo ip r add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev tun0 proto static
[22:11] <lordievader> Moter8: Calm down, grab a coffee or a beer or something ;)
[22:11] <Moter8> :> sure
[22:12] <Moter8> Already drinking some tee. Coffee is no good.
[22:12] <lordievader> Phillies: I know it is a two parter. Could you give me your current
[22:12] <lordievader> Phillies: Your current 'ip r' output*
[22:14] <Phillies> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS>  metric 9
[22:15] <lordievader> Phillies: Is the default gateway gone?
[22:16] <Phillies> not sure what you mean sorry im not the greatest with nix and this stuff :/
[22:16] <renzorzons> hello is recommended to install kde 4.14 en kubuntu 14.04??\
[22:19] <lordievader> Phillies: Is that line all the output?
[22:24] <Moter8> Grr these language packs.
[22:24] <Moter8> Always having issues with ubuntu mirrors.
[22:27] <Phillies> yeah it is
[22:27] <Phillies> thats all of it
[22:27] <Phillies> sorry laptop died wasnt plugged in
[22:28] <lordievader> Phillies: Hmm, then all I've managed to do was nuke your default gateway...: sudo ip r add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0
[22:28] <lordievader> Phillies: After that you should be able to ping, say, <IP_ADDRESS> again.
[22:29] <Phillies> hmmm
[22:29] <Phillies> mussolini@MediaServer:~$ ip r
[22:29] <Phillies> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0  proto static
[22:29] <Phillies> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS>  metric 9
[22:29] <Phillies> mussolini@MediaServer:~$
[22:30] <Phillies> after reboot
[22:30] <lordievader> Phillies: Yeah that does it too ;)
[22:30] <Phillies> ill try this vpn again
[22:30] <Phillies> i dunno what the issue is
[22:30] <lordievader> Phillies: Okay, could you connect to the vpn again and get the output of ip r again?
[22:31] <Phillies> 1 sec my buddy wrote some shit for me
[22:31] <Phillies> he thinks its gonna work
[22:32]  * lordievader still thinks the default gw of the vpn is broken.


[00:00] <yorwos> i just had to reinstall ubuntu studio while keeping my /home. after the fresh installation i have this problem , my firewire soundcard is working out of the box (alsa or pulseaudio) , but qjackctl fails to properly use it. i tried with "pasuspender -- jackd" in the server prefix advanced settings but still fails to , any ideas what to try ?
[00:02] <yorwos> before i formatted my system was upgraded 12.04->14.04->16.04 and the firewire card never showed on sound settings on taskbar
[00:34] <yorwos> rebooting , brb hold ur idea for fix if u get any
[02:09] <yorwos> it appears i can select my audiocard choosing alsa instead of firewire in qjackctl , but in just starts with whatever settings , eg. i've set it to 96000 and it starts at 44100. seems i must somehow stop alsa doing anything at all with my firewire audio card. i reinstalled ub.studio with the card unplugged and mobo sound on , but after rebooting with the mobo off and fire on the alsa still got the firewire in it


[05:46] <qwebirc16986> I know very, very little about Linux so please bear with me. I have been trying for hours to get the MythTV backend to recognize my Hauppauge 2250 capture card. When I try to add it, I select "DVB-T/S/C,ATSC or..." but nothing ever populates in the "DVB Device" field. I do an "ls" on my "/dev/" and don't see a dvb folder. I have tried everything I can find on the internet but nothing seems to be working for me. Any sugg
[07:29] <Shadow__X> qwebirc16986: which version of linux are you using
[07:30] <Shadow__X> and did you see if you needed to get drivers?
[09:38] <qwebirc92853> I know very, very little about Linux so please bear with me. I have been trying for hours to get the MythTV backend to recognize my two Hauppauge 2250 capture cards. When I try to add it, I select "DVB-T/S/C,ATSC or..." but nothing ever populates in the "DVB Device" field. I do an "ls" on my "/dev/" and don't see a dvb folder. I have tried everything I can find on the internet but nothing seems to be working for me. Any
[14:19] <manithree1> Ugh.  In the process of upgrading to 14.04, I must have accidentally chosen mythtv 0.28.  Now my PS3 sees the UPNP server, but 0 titles. mythtv-common  2:0.28.0~master.20140906.35dca9e-0ubuntu0mythbuntu2
[14:22] <manithree1> Should uPNP be working ATM?  Or should I just trash my database and go back to 0.27?
[23:06] <tgm4883> manithree1: FWIW, mythtv should have backed up your database prior to the upgrade
[23:07] <tgm4883> manithree1: and how do you accidently get 0.28? You get a warning if you try to select it and have to put in a code to activate it


[21:38] <joanc> iw?
[21:38] <joanc> Hola
[21:38] <joanc> Que tal??
[21:38] <Maik> joanc: you have a lubuntu support question?
[21:39] <joanc> No
[21:39] <joanc> Tanks
[21:39] <joanc> Solo ando probando cosas :D
[21:39] <Maik> keep in mind that this is a support channel, if you want to chit-chat join either #ubuntu-offtopic or #lubuntu-offtopic
[21:40] <joanc> Oh, nice. Ok Bro, tank you!


[12:08] <Bischoop> Hi
[12:10] <gnrp> hi
[15:21] <xubuntu36w> Question: if I install the 19.10 daily builds now, with it automatically progress/update to the Beta and finally the final release version? Or will I need to reinstall once the official release is out?
[15:22] <xubuntu36w> with it => WILL it...
[15:50] <Spass> xubuntu36w, no need to reinstall, it will use the same repos, so the same package versions
[15:50] <Spass> so the progress will be automatic
[16:02] <xubuntu36w> Spass: does that mean that any packages that might currently be present only for debugging, and removed in the final release, would also be removed in my installation come the final release? I.e. I won't end up with any redundant/left over packages once the release is out?
[16:04] <xubuntu36w> Because I would like to end up in the exact same spot as if I would have done a new install (excluding any packages that I might install, of course...)
[16:25] <Spass> I can't think of any packages that would be removed in the final release compared to the daily build
[16:26] <Spass> said all that, nothing will give you 100% fresh state other than a fresh install
[16:29] <xubuntu36w> That's good enough. I tried xfce 4.14 on Manjaro and was impressed by the improvements, but would like to run it on Xubuntu. Thanks for the help! :)
[16:31] <Spass> you can run 4.14 even on 18.04
[16:32] <Spass> but yeah, officially from 19.10
[16:33] <xubuntu36w> how would I do that?
[16:34] <Spass> there's a QA Staging PPA for 18.04 (and 19.04) with 4.14
[16:35] <Spass> here - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[16:38] <Spass> and after adding it, simple "sudo apt full-upgrade" and reboot should do the trick
[16:38] <Spass> but not everyone wants/likes to add additional PPAs
[16:39] <xubuntu36w> So if I were to add that PPA to 19.04, what will happen to it once I upgrade to 19.10?
[16:42] <Spass> well, the PPA will get disabled (normal procedure during the GUI release upgrade), and everything should work just fine
[16:44] <xubuntu36w> So I can remove the PPA after the upgrade, and it will be as if I had done a vanilla upgrade from 19.04 -> 19.10?
[16:44] <Spass> but I think adding PPA to the 19.04 just to get 4.14 one (or two) month before the 19.10 release is a little bit hasty, why not wait a bit?
[16:45] <Spass> no, it may be not vanilla, some packages from that PPA that were installed/upgraded on 19.04 may be newer than those in the official 19.10 repos
[16:47] <Spass> I didn't compare the versions tho, you may take a look here 1) https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging?field.series_filter=disco and here 2) https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xfce4&searchon=names&suite=eoan&section=all
[16:47] <Spass> to compare
[16:48] <Spass> (most packages should be the same I think)
[16:49] <Spass> anyway, you have some options, I think everything that we talked about here is safe
[16:49] <Spass> depends on your needs really
[16:49] <xubuntu36w> Thanks, good to know. Then I will go with the daily builds instead. I could wait, or run something else in the meantime, but I'm curious to see if 4.14 runs equally well on Xubuntu as on Manjaro; e.g. there was no screen tearing out of the box, without any tweaks on my part, which is a first in my experience for xfce
[16:50] <Spass> yeah, at this (late) stage 19.10 daily should work pretty good
[16:53] <Spass> at least Xfce/Xubuntu stack seems stable, not sure what changes are the Ubuntu team planning before the final release, nothing major probably, so nothing should break
[16:54] <Spass> well… the standard warning here is "don't expect 100% stability from the daily and beta builds"
[16:56] <xubuntu36w> Duly noted :)
[16:56] <xubuntu36w> Thanks again! Take care
[16:59] <Spass> you too