[21:09] <geekmasterflash> ThomasBS, You probably need to open it on your router/modem
[21:09] <zykotick9> ThomasBS: have you added firewall permissions?  if not, then run the service = port opened
[21:09] <geekmasterflash> ThomasBS, Or port forward
[21:09] <ThomasBS> yes I've added firewall permissions
[21:09] <ThomasBS> with the iptables.firewall.rules
[21:09] <ThomasBS> do i need to reboot the server if I just the rules file?
[21:10] <ThomasBS> if I changed*
[21:10] <geekmasterflash> ThomasBS, Shouldn't need a reboot. Maybe just a restart of the service
[21:10] <GTB3NW> Hi I'm currently having issues with any desktop environment running under any ubuntu distro
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> Beldar: they're just search params, theres entries for both bios + efi for those: --hint-bios=hd0,msdos6 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos6
[21:11] <GTB3NW> I use a R.A.T 9 mouse but the tutorials to fix "known" issues with the mouse do not fix my issue
[21:11] <GTB3NW> nor is it as described in any of the tutorials
[21:11] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, What is your issue, exactly?
[21:11] <GTB3NW> essentially I cannot interact with any windows (xfwm, gnome etc)
[21:12] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, because?
[21:12] <GTB3NW> I have no idea, that's why I'm here
[21:12] <GTB3NW> I've tried other mice as well..
[21:12] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, Keyboard not working either?
[21:12] <GTB3NW> keyboard is A-OK
[21:12] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, USB?
[21:13] <GTB3NW> yes
[21:13] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, Both are?
[21:13] <GTB3NW> Correct
[21:13] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, Switch them
[21:13] <GTB3NW> I have
[21:13] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, See if you've got dead ports
[21:13] <GTB3NW> Ports are okay as well
[21:13] <GTB3NW> I have some ID's on the mouse for buttons which are "unknown"
[21:14] <wesley_> Holler, is there someone dutch who can help me ?
[21:14] <GTB3NW> the guides to fix the mouse say add the ID's, however there's only 1 ID
[21:14] <GTB3NW> but.. lots of them
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> !nl
[21:14] <GTB3NW> as in it displays the same ID button lots of times
[21:14] <Beldar> hitsujiTMO, Your right I just ran the old bootscript in trusty which I'm on right now I have all msdos, an I see the same notations.
[21:14] <Beldar> and*
[21:14] <GTB3NW> May I link you the guide geekmasterflash
[21:14] <GTB3NW> ?
[21:14] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, According to my googlefu, the RAT mouse may require a customer xorg.conf file
[21:15] <geekmasterflash> custom*
[21:15] <GTB3NW> Xmodmap you mean?
[21:15] <geekmasterflash> No
[21:15] <geekmasterflash> I mean xorg
[21:15] <geekmasterflash> http://fcns.eu/2011/04/01/cyborg-rat-7-mouse-under-linux/
[21:16] <zykotick9> geekmasterflash: you might want to consider getting some startpage-fu https://startpage.com/ same results as google, without the tracking ;)
[21:16] <kry_> Thanks for your help again
[21:16] <kry_> bye
[21:16] <GTB3NW> geekmasterflash, thanks for that link
[21:17] <GTB3NW> anyway I can add that to my liveCD?
[21:17] <GTB3NW> currently can't get onto a browser if I'm in the OS
[21:17] <GTB3NW> let alone get to that and copy and paste haha
[21:18] <Danato> how do i fix an over sensitive touchpad? it taps when i dont want to, making me close and click things accidentally all the time
[21:18] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, The problem with xorg configs is that often they require a system reboot to take effect. One of the rare cases in Linux
[21:18] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, Chances are from LiveCD it wouldn't take?
[21:18] <GTB3NW> hence why I want to install directly onto the liveCD rather than boot in then do it
[21:19] <Kry> Good night
[21:19] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, Oh, I misunderstood
[21:19] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, I suppose that would work but you might want to ask someone else
[21:19] <GTB3NW> I'm in my windows OS atm, wondering if I can just drag that somewhere onto my disk
[21:19] <GTB3NW> no worries :)
[21:19] <GTB3NW> thanks for your help
[21:19] <GTB3NW> appreciated
[21:20] <Beldar> Surkow|laptop, My argument on gpt or efi is incorrect as far as the partition table or the sda1 partition or in general.
[21:20] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, Well, if you can find /etc/X11/xorg.conf in windows
[21:20] <geekmasterflash> GTB3NW, You can edit it and save it from there as well
[21:20] <GTB3NW> I wish it were simple but it wont
[21:20] <zykotick9> geekmasterflash: editing xorg.conf from windows - that would be cute... or would it?
[21:20] <GTB3NW> screw it, I'll go install and hope for the best
[21:20] <GTB3NW> haha
[21:21] <GTB3NW> zykotick9, install media, probably even more annoying to do
[21:21] <GTB3NW> right, wish me luck -.-
[21:22] <Mage_Dude> Can anyone point to a good guide for user management wrt levels like admin (full), maintainer (no user management, but install/upgrade software), and basic user (locked to home more or less)?
[21:23] <zykotick9> Mage_Dude: kinda sounds like ubuntu's default setup, to me...
[21:24] <hisham> hi pleas How do I run a calculator in the Linux system
[21:25] <zykotick9> hisham: try xcalc
[21:25] <Mage_Dude> zykotick9: I've got a vanilla server install and am using some configuration management tools (ansible) and want to be able to give certain team members access to some of the managemetn tools (like upgrades) but not allow them the keys to the kingdom.
[21:25] <Screwba> all:  is there a way to install heimdal-clients without it prompting for a realm name?  I was thinking of a --no-config option to apt-get but...
[21:25] <hitsujiTMO> kisham: there's also gnome-calculator
[21:25] <zykotick9> Mage_Dude: it can be done, probably through sudoers somehow.  best of luck!  i've got nothing further, sorry.
[21:26] <reisio> hisham: 'bc' is nice if you like terms
[21:26] <hitsujiTMO> Mage_Dude: you limit sudo to a set of apps for specific users/groups
[21:26] <hisham> thank you so much thanks thanks <zykotick9> <hitsujiTMO> <reisio>
[21:27] <hitsujiTMO> Mage_Dude: more info here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/sudo
[21:27]  * zykotick9 uses concalc from terminal, but guesses bc is better
[21:29]  * Screwba is on a roll today...2 Q's asked, 0 answers
[21:29] <He4dShOt> hi
[21:30] <He4dShOt> how can I have an external drive with ext4 to automount like my ntfs drive does?
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> heavystorm:
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> He4dShOt: you need to add an entry into fstab for it
[21:31] <He4dShOt> hitsujiTMO, I added it, but still no automount
[21:31] <reisio> He4dShOt: probably would work fine if you hadn't altered /etc/fstab
[21:31] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: really gnome/gvfs doesn't automount ext drives automatically... lame...
[21:31] <reisio> it does :)
[21:31] <zykotick9> reisio: i'd think so.
[21:31] <reisio> you probably accidentally told it not to by altering fstab
[21:31] <hitsujiTMO> o.) really ?
[21:32] <reisio> you thought Unix systems had an automounter for foreign FSs but not native? :p
[21:32] <gassho> a/oha
[21:32] <reisio> a\oha
[21:32] <hitsujiTMO> He4dShOt: try adding the options user,auto
[21:32] <zykotick9> reisio: i believed it, for a moment...  with gnome anything is possible ;)
[21:32] <reisio> He4dShOt: if you really want it auto mounted on _insertion_, then do not list it in fstab
[21:32] <reisio> zykotick9: heheheh
[21:33] <He4dShOt> reisio, I altered fstab because it wouldn't automount
[21:33] <dho> anybody have suggestions on how in the world to get non-stripped base libraries?
[21:33] <reisio> He4dShOt: that was the wrong course of action ;)
[21:33] <zykotick9> reisio: middle mouse click, is going away.  so really, anything is possible ;)
[21:33] <reisio> zykotick9: in gnome?
[21:33] <zykotick9> reisio: ya
[21:33] <reisio> 'cause Mac OS hasn't middle mice!
[21:33]  * reisio rolls eyes
[21:33] <hitsujiTMO> He4dShOt: do you want to auto mount it permanently? or will you be removing the drive?
[21:34] <Gerbi> hi! Sorry X-chat make me come here, godd night everybody
[21:34] <He4dShOt> hitsujiTMO, I will power on the drive only when I need it
[21:35] <lonewulf85> My Acer AO722 fn+dimmer button does not work but the volume does same set of buttons the arrow keys.
[21:35] <hitsujiTMO> He4dShOt: then it should not be in fstab alright.
[21:36] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: OR in fstab with noauto and user ;)
[21:37] <He4dShOt> hitsujiTMO, reisio, so what should i do?
[21:37] <reisio> He4dShOt: you should figure out why it isn't mounting
[21:37] <trism> dho: some packages have a -dbg variant, otherwise usually ddebs.ubuntu.com, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages
[21:37] <hitsujiTMO> He4dShOt: do what zykotick9 suggests add the options noauto,user to fsbab entry
[21:38] <zykotick9> He4dShOt: that WON'T automount the drive!
[21:39] <zykotick9> He4dShOt: it would - not automount the drive, but let users mount it, without sudo.
[21:39] <lonewulf85> AO722 no dim when told to please help I am running ubuntu 12.04
[21:39] <reisio> if it's not automounting, it might not do anything with fstab, either
[21:39] <He4dShOt> I think I'm missing something here...
[21:40] <zykotick9> reisio: the fstab is an alternative to the automounter...  mutually exclusive i believe...
[21:43] <reisio> zykotick9: I think I already said that
[21:43] <He4dShOt> reisio, maybe is because it's 4TB?
[21:44] <reisio> He4dShOt: maybe if you have other smaller drives that work, sure
[21:44] <HexSquid> Hi folks! I'm on ubuntu-gnome 13.10, just downloaded some updates and now I get "starting gnome display manager ... [fail] " on boot. No GUI anymore! Looking at my Xorg.2.log I've found a line (EE)  intel(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version: Permission denied [13].
[21:44] <lonewulf85> fn and dimmer keys really anoying please help.
[21:44] <He4dShOt> reisio, the other drives are ntfs
[21:45] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, Can you tell me who owns /home/(username)/X.authority?
[21:45] <HexSquid> I'm check
[21:45] <HexSquid> I'll check
[21:45] <ZIPY> where are the vlc settings saved ? cant find /home/user/.vlc or .videolan
[21:45] <zykotick9> Hexeon: it's .Xauthority BTW
[21:45] <geekmasterflash> Woops.
[21:46] <zykotick9> Hexeon: see above
[21:46] <reisio> He4dShOt: you can do a simple test if you have a spare drive/usb stick you can format as ext
[21:46]  * zykotick9 doh! x2
[21:47] <He4dShOt> reisio, I have a 8gb usb stick
[21:48] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash - sorry, how do I check the  owner
[21:48] <HexSquid> ?
[21:48] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[21:49] <HexSquid> ta
[21:49] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, What hitsujiTMO
[21:49] <geekmasterflash> siad
[21:49] <geekmasterflash> said*
[21:50] <HexSquid> I get ls-w-------- myusername myusername
[21:50] <lonewulf85> Not being able to manually dim my PC is really annoying please help.
[21:50] <HexSquid> whoop, ls-rw------
[21:50] <lonewulf85> My pc is ao722-0879 my distro is Ubuntu 12.04 x64
[21:51] <HexSquid> .Xauthority appears to be empty
[21:52] <ePax> i just have installed latest drivers from ATI and my remote desktop got super slow. Ubuntu server 12.04 LTS and ati radeon HD 5450. Any ideas how to fix remote desktop?
[21:52] <zykotick9> HexSquid: it's the USER/GROUP, the stuff directly after -rw------ that's important, does it say root anywhere?
[21:53] <HexSquid> no, it was my username twice after that
[21:53] <zykotick9> HexSquid: that's good...
[21:53] <HexSquid> What are you thinking?
[21:54] <HexSquid> (appreciate the help btw - I'm doing my best via the tty and irssi)
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: whats the output of: find ~ ! -user `whoami`
[21:57] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: a wall of text appears
[21:57] <He4dShOt> reisio, I've formatted the drive in ntfs and it works on windows, but it won't work on ubunutu
[21:58] <MVanDruff> huzah!!! i fixed it even went dual screen in the process
[21:58] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: you used the back tick (`) and not (') right?
[21:58] <HexSquid> Yes backtick
[21:58] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: then somethings wrong there coz that should not return anything
[21:58] <HexSquid> find ~ ! -user `whoami`
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: try: sudo chown -R `whoami`:`whoami` $HOME
[22:00] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO what does that do?
[22:01] <hitsujiTMO> Hexeon: that ensures anything in your home directory is owned by you
[22:01] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, Sorry, I was on a phone call
[22:02] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash no sweat
[22:02] <andrewwibi> help. i have a desktop with uefi and nothing i do lets me to boot into the installed ubuntu partitions
[22:02] <andrewwibi> the first parition is boot-bios flagged and / is on everything else
[22:03] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, Do you have more than one card in this machine?
[22:03] <andrewwibi> CSM is enabled in the bios
[22:03] <HexSquid> ok I've chowned everything to my username
[22:03] <Ilmen> This evening I succeded booting both Ubuntu and Slitaz from an external HDD, but in both cases my screen end up freezing after the welcome screen of the OS; with Ubuntu the screen gets black after choosing "try" in the first purple screen asking whether I want to try or install it
[22:03] <hitsujiTMO> andrewwibi: and did you install ubuntu with csm enabled?
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: see if that fixes your problem
[22:04] <Ilmen> I guess it means there is a problem with my screen?
[22:04] <andrewwibi> hmm i never heard of that, is that an option in the installer? csm was enabled when installed
[22:04] <HexSquid> OK folks - I figure I'll reboot and see if gnome appears
[22:04] <andrewwibi> i tried running boot-repair and it complains about GPT but i have boot-bios flagged in the first paritition
[22:05] <HexSquid> Back in a moment cheer
[22:05] <hitsujiTMO> andrewas1: i meant was it enabled in bios when you installed. so cool. can you boot the live cd or are you in it now?
[22:06] <hitsujiTMO> andrewas1: :) gpt points to you having installed as uefi not bios/csm
[22:06] <arvut> where are the keymaps stored in ubuntu? I need to run loadkeys in a ssh session in order to help my dad with his computer, I use a dvoraklayout and find it hard to type with qwerty
[22:07] <arvut> /usr/share/keymaps is what I'm used to
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> arvut: have you tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[22:08] <HexSquid> Alas the GDM still fails on boot
[22:09] <arvut> I just need to change it in the terminal, so that he can continue to use his keymap (swedish qwerty) in the everyday gui apps he use
[22:09] <leptone> this may be the wrong channel. but im hoping some1 here can help me understand this issue. i've enabled the html 5 player for youtube.com. I like the feature which allows me to adjuct the playback speed. however, some videos randomly don't have this option. anyone know whats going on? or how i can work around this?
[22:09] <winb> some1
[22:10] <Ademan> so console-kit-daemon is currently taking up 3.0GB of swap on my machine, 12.04 64bit... what in the actual heck?! Only 2.0MB is actually resident, so I really don't know why it's consuming so much swap... I found a few old bugs but nothing seems to have been resolved, this is a desktop so it's my understanding I need console-kit-daemon, any ideas?
[22:10] <arvut> hitsujiTMO: do you know where keymaps are stored? I am in no need to configure the keyboard for the whole ubuntu login. just the terminal that I login to with ssh
[22:10] <trism> arvut: you might just need to install the console-data package
[22:10] <arvut> trism: loadkeys is installed, so I should be able to use it, if I can find the keymaps
[22:11] <trism> arvut: which seem to be in console-data
[22:11] <trism> arvut: but it is in universe so generally not installed by default
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> arvut: fraid not, i just use the pagage congurator
[22:11] <arvut> trism: well, it is installed on this machine, an old 10.04 32bit install running on a perhaps 8 year old hardware
[22:12] <trism> arvut: oh yes it probably would have been then...I see /usr/share/keymaps/* in that package on 13.10
[22:12] <arvut> k
[22:12] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, Try apt-get remove gdm, apt-get install gdm and dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:12] <Rallias> Is there a maximum length I can give an interface name?
[22:13] <arvut> there was no keymaps folder in /usr/share in this install tho
[22:13] <arvut> and as I mentioned, its 10.04-lts 32bit
[22:13] <CrazyZurfer> how do i run a command and tell it to display the response in english?
[22:13] <hitsujiTMO> geekmasterflash: fyi to reninstall a package just use: sudo apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>
[22:14] <arvut> CrazyZurfer: what do you mean? some kind of translator?
[22:14] <CrazyZurfer> no
[22:14] <arvut> what do you want to do then?
[22:14] <hitsujiTMO> CrazyZurfer: you mean the -h flag?
[22:14] <CrazyZurfer> hitsujiTMO: might be
[22:14] <CrazyZurfer> how's that
[22:15] <arvut> some programs require --help for help contents. also see "man command" where command is the command you want help with
[22:15] <trism> arvut: strange I see the path in that package on packages.ubuntu.com too for 10.04
[22:17] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: I'm afraid that hasn't changed anything :(
[22:17] <arvut> trism: weird.. I'll look into it tomorrow then, he shut down his pc now due to bedtime and we decided to continue the work tomorrow. But I recall that I didn't see that folder when I typed "loadkeys /usr/share/k" and pressed tab twice.
[22:17] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: can you get us the gdm logs then please. should be somewhere in /var/log
[22:17] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: I'll take a look
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: you can install pastebinit and use that to paste the logs
[22:18] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: There are a lot of log files
[22:18] <arvut> oh btw, any idea on how to fix adobe flash in 10.04? 11.2 r200 isn't working and there are plenty of ppl that seems to have issues with it if you google on it. but no solution to be found
[22:19] <draken> how do you create a list of all the filenames and directories in unix (ls ???)
[22:19] <HexSquid> Ok will do
[22:19] <arvut> draken: ls -Al
[22:19] <draken> thx
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: the logs i'm interested in right now are Xorg.0.log  and there should be a log or folder containing logs that begin with gdm
[22:19] <arvut> draken: or do you want a list of all files and folders in your filesystem? du -h /
[22:20] <arvut> draken: you can run "du -sh ." if you just want to list the size of the folder you're in.
[22:20] <draken> yes..
[22:21] <arvut> draken: du -h / > ~/output.file
[22:21] <arvut> should create a pretty long list
[22:21] <draken> thx.. thas it
[22:22] <arvut> =)
[22:22] <arvut> why do you want a list of the whole filesystem anyway?
[22:22] <draken> a want a list of mp3
[22:23] <andrewwibi> anyone have any tips for ubuntu uefi issues? does not want to boot after installed, first partition is boot-bios flagged
[22:23] <hitsujiTMO> draken, arvut, i'd use: sudo du -h --one-file-system / > ~/output.file                    to avoid the virtual filesystems like /dev and /proc and get ALL folders
[22:23] <arvut> draken: du -h / | grep *.mp3
[22:23] <hitsujiTMO> andrewwibi: are you in a live cd atm?
[22:24] <andrewwibi> yes
[22:24] <arvut> you actually have to use sudo to run du?
[22:24] <arvut> or is it simply to get access to the folders that are read-protected for normal users?
[22:24] <arvut> like /root
[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> arvut: yes if you want it to follow folders that are not traversable by your user
[22:25] <syntac> i have two computers running ubuntu. is it possible to start a second X session on my remote machine and have it tunneled to my local machine on vt8? (X is running locally on vt7)
[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> draken: there's also: find / -name *.mp3
[22:27] <arvut> hitsujiTMO: yeah, find might do the job better actually
[22:31] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: not knowing which one to pick, this one looked interesting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481390/
[22:32] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, You had more than one Xorg.0.log ?
[22:32] <HexSquid> Er... that's looking in /log/gdm/
[22:32] <HexSquid> Ok I'll get you Xorg.0.log, one moment
[22:33] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481404/
[22:35] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, What happens if you do startx?
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: that just says that X is closing cleanly without any errors so its looks to be a problem with gdm
[22:36] <__raven> possible to resize the "crypt-luks" partition or will it become broken?
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> __raven: not sure about luks but in the general rules for encrypted partitions say no
[22:37] <tsnyph> Just a quick query about the ufw that comes with ubuntu. How effective is it? Does it block all the main ports that could be expoited? or do I have to add ports to it to block?
[22:37] <__raven> hitsujiTMO: is this a lvm resize or how to do that?
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> __raven: yes you need to resize the lvm, then you cna resize the contained partitions. have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=726724     it seems to be possible but its a fairly dangerous process
[22:39] <__raven> hitsujiTMO: mounted or on live system?
[22:39] <dreamy_> hi, does anyone knows why i dont got voice on #httpd
[22:39] <dreamy_> ?
[22:39] <hitsujiTMO> __raven: that has to be done from a live cd.
[22:39] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: yep I've found gdm logs that show out of memory warnings and other errors :/
[22:40] <hitsujiTMO> dreamy_: you probably need to register with nickserv.
[22:40] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: can you pastebin them please
[22:40] <dreamy_> hitsujiTMO, i did  a temporary register? that wont do for today?
[22:40] <__raven> ok
[22:40] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash: startx? I'll try
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> dreamy_: did you verify your email?
[22:41] <dreamy_> i will
[22:41] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash: I get a black screen
[22:42] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: ok one moment
[22:42] <hitsujiTMO> tsnyph: ufw will leave some common services thru like icmp but will block anything else incoming
[22:43] <tsnyph> ok that's good to know
[22:43] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, Do you see a cursor when you move your mouse?
[22:43] <andrewwibi> help. i have a desktop with uefi and nothing i do lets me to boot into the installed ubuntu partitions
[22:43] <hitsujiTMO> tsnyph: that is at least if you configure it to default deny
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> andrewwibi: can you boot a live cd
[22:44] <tsnyph> I have incomming set to deny
[22:44] <andrewwibi> yes. i am in one now
[22:44] <stevecam> Trying to work out what the hell is wrong with my ubuntu install, do a md5sum on the disk image i downlaoded and and quickly realised it was the first thing i should of done!
[22:45] <tsnyph> What is the difference between deny and reject?
[22:45] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481474/
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> andrewwibi: can you pastebin the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[22:45] <GuybrushThreepwo> anyone familiar with PCSX2 on ubuntu
[22:45] <geekmasterflash> HexSquid, How much memory do you have?
[22:46] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, I have it running right now.
[22:46] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash: from startx? no
[22:46] <stevecam> GuybrushThreepwo, are you having trouble with libs?
[22:46] <GuybrushThreepwo> http://pastebin.com/he6mwuRg <- Need to know what to do (I don't know much about the technical side of linux)
[22:46] <tb01110100> I don't know if it still exists on Ubuntu, but what is the name of the program that lets you select colors off the screen and tells you it's hex value, etc? Thanks.
[22:46] <andrewwibi> hitsu pastee.org/f33ra
[22:46] <CrazyZurfer> I'm receiving erros on my ppa's and cannot install software from the ubuntu's software center :(
[22:47] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Looks like you don't have some libs installed, or at least ancient ones installed?
[22:47] <HexSquid> geekmasterflash: 4 gigs ram
[22:47] <CrazyZurfer> here's my apt-get update
[22:47] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Are you trying to compile from source?
[22:47] <CrazyZurfer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481484/
[22:48] <GuybrushThreepwo> geekmasterflash: it came in a tar.gz file, i extracted it and tried to run the launch_pcsx2_linux.sh file
[22:48] <GuybrushThreepwo> which is what i assume i'm supposed to do
[22:48] <GuybrushThreepwo> also i haven't installed any libraries or anything really
[22:49] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, What you are seeing is the source complaining that expected libraries are not there or are old
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: can you try: sudo mv /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-khmer.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/65-khmer.conf.disabled
[22:49] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[22:49] <stevecam> GuybrushThreepwo, pretty old program tries to access old libs
[22:49] <GuybrushThreepwo> ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[22:49] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, 64-bit?
[22:49] <GuybrushThreepwo> yes
[22:50] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Yeah, that wont happen.
[22:50] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, PCSX2 is 32 bit only
[22:50] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, It cant find any libraries likely because you have 64 bit libs
[22:50] <GuybrushThreepwo> so it's not possible to install 32 bit ones..?
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> tb01110100: gpick
[22:50] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: here is another from /gdm http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481493/ if it means anything
[22:51] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, It's possible, yes. I think it would be sudo apt-get install multiarch-support
[22:51] <tb01110100> hitsujiTMO: Thank you so much.
[22:51] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, But there is a simple way to do it too, as PCSX2 has a PPA
[22:51] <djeimsyxuis> hey
[22:51] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo,  https://launchpad.net/~gregory-hainaut/+archive/pcsx2.official.ppa
[22:52] <djeimsyxuis> is there a program that opens .mm (mindmap) files for ubuntu?
[22:52] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: I'll try
[22:52] <tsnyph> hitsujiTMO,  what is the difference between deny and reject settings in ufw?
[22:52] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, I'd recommend getting multiarch support then adding that PPA
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> andrewwibi: your hard drive is too big to install with csm. you have to install as uefi
[22:52] <GuybrushThreepwo> so sudo apt-get install multiarch-support?
[22:54] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: Moved
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> tsnyph: i'm not sure tbh
[22:54] <aaaabbcc> hello, is it normal for a fresh install of ubuntu to eat 20-50% CPU in idle?
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: try and reboot now
[22:55] <tsnyph> hitsujiTMO,  a quick google search revealed the answer :P
[22:55] <tsnyph> "deny" uses the DROP iptables target, which silently discards incoming packets.
[22:56] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: ok rebooting now, thanks, see you in a moment
[22:56] <tsnyph> "reject" uses the REJECT iptables target, which sends back an error packet to the sender of the rejected packet.
[22:56] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Yeah give that a shot. Might be a different command for 12.04
[22:56] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, But can't hurt to try.
[22:56] <hitsujiTMO> tsnyph: ahh i see. i always use deny never reject.
[22:56] <tsnyph> yeah metoo
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> aaaabbcc: possibly. what cpu do you have?
[22:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> sudo apt-get install multiarch-support <- it already has it
[22:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> er
[22:57] <lar1991> alright fellas! anyone fancy lending me a hand here
[22:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> it cicnt copy...but yeah
[22:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> it auto-installs that package i guess
[22:57] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, K, then try using that PPA
[22:57] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, https://launchpad.net/~gregory-hainaut/+archive/pcsx2.official.ppa
[22:58] <GuybrushThreepwo> What am I clicking on exactly?
[22:58] <aaaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, a phenom 1100T (6 cores at 3.3Ghz)
[22:58] <tsnyph>     "deny" will keep the program waiting until the connection attempt times out, some short time later.
[22:58] <tsnyph>     "reject" will produce an immediate and very informative "Connection refused" message.
[22:58] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, It's the offical PCSX2 PPA
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> aaaabbcc: and whats the output of: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[22:58] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Which will allow you to install PCSX2 via apt-get
[22:59] <aaaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, 800 x 6
[22:59] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: I'm afraid that didn't work either
[22:59] <GuybrushThreepwo> I don't see a download link. I see a list of files down below
[22:59] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Have you never added a PPA before?
[22:59] <aaaabbcc> made this screenshot earlier http://imagebin.org/279112
[22:59] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, See the section labeled "Adding this PPA to you system"
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> aaaabbcc: so its using 20-50% of 800MHz   .... you cpu is downclocked when its not on heave load.
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: can you pastebin that same gdm log again
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> aaaabbcc: s/heave/heavy
[23:01] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: ok if I can remember which one it was
[23:01] <GuybrushThreepwo> done
[23:01] <TauNeutrino> hey penguin lovers
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: can you pastebin the output of: ls -l /var/log
[23:02] <CrazyZurfer> I'm receiving erros on my ppa's and cannot install software from the ubuntu's software center :( here's my apt-get update http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481484/
[23:02] <TauNeutrino> when I download some pdf, for example, I search via google with it an then I click on the link, but it first loads the whole document with the pdf viewer, but I want it to download it to my pc not just open it slowly in the viewer
[23:03] <GuybrushThreepwo> sudo apt-get install pcsx2?
[23:03] <TauNeutrino> when I do right click and "save as" it only downloads the url
[23:03] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, sorry, my system crashed
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> CrazyZurfer: cn you try changing mirrors
[23:04] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Alright now do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pcsx2-unstable
[23:04] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, well, the problem is that it's slow, it hangs a lot
[23:04] <xangua> TauNeutrino: google chrome and firefox have an internal pdf-reader
[23:04] <aaabbcc> like the mouse freezes constantly and then there's the crashes...
[23:04] <TauNeutrino> yeees but it loads it very slowly ;(
[23:04] <TauNeutrino> I want it to direcly download it
[23:04] <HexSquid> ok
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: can you install: indicator-cpufreq then reboot and use that to set your cpu on performance and see if you get the same stalling/hanging
[23:05] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, sure
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: you will need to reboot after isntalling it.
[23:05] <aaabbcc> ok
[23:06] <GuybrushThreepwo> is it true that pcsx2 has worse performance in ubuntu than it does in windows?
[23:06] <GuybrushThreepwo> just curious
[23:06] <TauNeutrino> ok seems to work with wget
[23:06] <TauNeutrino> 8 hours
[23:06] <TauNeutrino> O_O
[23:06] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, I guess? I have only run it on something of a beastly machine
[23:06] <aaabbcc> rebooting
[23:06] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, The real problem is that there are some plugins missing on the Linux version
[23:06] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Which means some games may not work
[23:06] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: If this worked ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481577/
[23:07] <HexSquid> that was ls -l | pastebinit
[23:07] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, As far as performance... well I do fine but my machine is sort of highend
[23:07] <choiceuser> i love pp
[23:07] <GuybrushThreepwo> well, in windows, for example, final fantasy 12 tends to lag slightly at times, but is still playable
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: cool, so: ls -l /var/log/gdm | pastebinit
[23:08] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, I am playing FF12 now
[23:08] <HexSquid> ok
[23:08] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, On hardware render, I never get any lag.
[23:08] <stevecam> i love that, "my machine is sort of high end"
[23:08] <geekmasterflash> stevecam, :D
[23:09] <syzo> hey, so I'm getting frame tearing while playing games and watching videos (and anything else probably); using an AMD 6970 with default drivers on xubuntu 13.04. Can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this?
[23:09] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, I installed it, now what?
[23:09] <GuybrushThreepwo> Alright, well, that's setup
[23:09] <GuybrushThreepwo> Now I have to try running it
[23:09] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: http://past.ubuntu.com/6481589/
[23:09] <GuybrushThreepwo> Another question: Does ubuntu install default drivers for graphics and such? I assume it does
[23:10] <eb0t>  /mouse enable
[23:10] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481589/ sorry
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: in top right corder you should have a new icon for the cpu. set that to performance
[23:10] <stevecam> /doesnt need spaces
[23:10] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Easy way to tell: go to system settings->Details
[23:11] <geekmasterflash> Info should be in graphics
[23:11] <stevecam> eb0t, type // at the start of your conversation
[23:11] <aguitel> any tips to install epson scanner cx 5600 ?
[23:11] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, still hangs
[23:12] <aaabbcc> the cpu usage is still high, in long bursts
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: pastebinit /var/log/gdm/0-greeter.log && pastebinit /var/log/gdm/0.log && pastebinit /var/log/gdm/0-slave.log
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: then i doubt its the cpu causing th issue. can you pastebin the output of the command: dmesg
[23:12] <aaabbcc> like 70% at times
[23:13] <HexSquid> I wish I could copy / paste that line!
[23:13] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, the whole thing?
[23:13] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: on it
[23:13] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: install pastebinit. then run: dmesg | pastebinit
[23:13] <GuybrushThreepwo> says AMD Radeon HD 7660G, standard
[23:13] <GuybrushThreepwo> so i guess yes, it did
[23:13] <scottyob> Have you guys ever seen /proc/net/arp not matching what arp shows?
[23:14] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: what ubuntu version are you on?
[23:14] <GuybrushThreepwo> 12.04 LTS 64bit
[23:14] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: and you're looking to game?
[23:15] <GuybrushThreepwo> I have windows on my other partition, but I'd prefer to have the emulator on this one too since I use it more
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: because you'll most likely need to install fglrx (which I don't advise you to do) OR use this ppa https://launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/graphics-drivers
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: and if you do add that ppa I linked, you'll have hardware video decode support that supports certain video formats (like h264 for e.g.)
[23:16] <GuybrushThreepwo> so the default driver isn't enough?
[23:17] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481614/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481615/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481616/
[23:17] <HexSquid> Pastebinit is pretty amazing
[23:17] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: the default open source driver in ubuntu's repos isn't enough. fglrx is proprietary and usually installed if one wants to do gaming, BUT, has glitches and might cause your system to crash. That ppa I linked has the open source driver, but it's updated (latest) along with mesa.
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: can you also pastebin /var/log/syslog
[23:18] <aaabbcc> sure
[23:18] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, AMD/ATI's opensource driver should do okay with PCSx2
[23:18] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, But if you wanna go with steam or modern gaming
[23:18] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, You'll probably want the proprietary driver
[23:19] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: I recommend you add that ppa I linked, run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and after that logout, log back in. And if you don't have kernel 3.11 or 3.12, install that too.
[23:19] <GuybrushThreepwo> I remember one time I updated my graphics driver and when I rebooted ubuntu didn't want to display anything on screen anymore
[23:19] <GuybrushThreepwo> i had to reinstall
[23:19] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: though those kernels are "supported here"
[23:19] <Ari-Yang> * aren't
[23:20] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: sudo apt-get install fglrx <--- use at your own risk
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: was there a kernel update before the issue?
[23:21] <GuybrushThreepwo> Is there a way to recover if something goes wrong?
[23:21] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Shouldn't be exceedingly hard. Reinstallation for a driver issue is usually over kill
[23:22] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: probably, but might be a hassle...
[23:22] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Most times you can fix it by switching back to the FOSS driver.
[23:22] <GuybrushThreepwo> geekmasterflash:  But I didn't know how to fix it at the time
[23:22] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: but if you boot using fglrx, you might get a crash, again, install it at your own risk
[23:22] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Only have one computer?
[23:22] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: tbh I recommend you upgrade to kernel 3.12 and install that ppa I linked
[23:22] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: There were updates which required a password prompt.
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: can you reboot to grub and try an older kernel
[23:23] <GuybrushThreepwo> I only have one computer yes, but it's dual booted. My second computer has hardware issues and it doesn't always load right
[23:23] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: I recall the undates mentioned gnome among other things
[23:23] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: Ok
[23:24] <alexhoua> Привет
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.12.1-trusty/ here is where you'd install kernel 3.12
[23:25] <daze_> Anyone know the best guide to ubuntu?
[23:26] <Ari-Yang> GuybrushThreepwo: seeing how you're on 64bit, you'd download the headers amd64, headers all, and image amd64
[23:26] <reisio> daze_: you're talking on it
[23:26] <GuybrushThreepwo> pcsx2 doesn't want to run my game
[23:27] <arvut> daze_: using it tends to teach you pretty fast how it works, as long as you are unafraid and somewhat tech-savvy
[23:27] <daze_> Negative just something that will help me learn it quickly
[23:27] <GuybrushThreepwo> File Not Found Path: IsoFileSystem
[23:27] <GuybrushThreepwo> And if I try a second time, it crashes
[23:27] <Letatcest> 't bier en de grappa waren lekker.
[23:27] <arvut> daze_: its a huge area, what do you want to learn?
[23:28] <arvut> terminal? gui? some specific program?
[23:28] <scrxw> grappa is te zoet
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: unfortunately the logs aren't giving any indication of where the issue could be
[23:28] <daze_> terminal and then ruby programming
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> !manual | daze_ you mean this?
[23:28] <arvut> open up a terminal and type "man bash" then, without quotes.
[23:29] <arvut> and then go get a good book on the ruby programming language
[23:29] <andrerics> Hi! How to dual boot Windows 8.1 and UbuntuStudio 13.10?
[23:29] <reisio> andrerics: install one, install the other
[23:30] <arvut> andrerics: afaik, you have to install windows first. then ubuntu.
[23:30] <arvut> as windows can't read any of the unix filesystems without extra software
[23:31] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, I see, thanks for the help tho
[23:31] <reisio> arvut: it's easier if you do, but you don't have to, and that isn't the reason :D
[23:31] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: tried all the other kernals, same problem
[23:32] <arvut> reisio: well, its annoying to have to reinstall the bootloader again after windows screws it up
[23:32] <aaabbcc> hitsujiTMO, about that indicator-cpufreq, what would be the default behaviour? "On demand"? or should I just uninstall it?
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> aaabbcc: on demand
[23:32] <reisio> arvut: it's annoying to have windows installed
[23:32] <aaabbcc> thanks
[23:32] <arvut> but I think win8 can have linux integrated in its bootloader now, not sure tho as I don't have any experience running it myself
[23:32] <daze_> yeah when i installed ubuntu i don't have my windows os
[23:32] <daze_> anymore
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> HexSquid: first line here seems to give some indication of the problem, but can't find much info on it http://paste.ubuntu.com/6481616/
[23:33] <arvut> reisio: oh yeah, but sometimes ppl want winblows anyway. I know I do as I run some programs that only run in it. And it is fairly excellent for running a virtual machine in =)
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> arvut: only on mbr not uefi
[23:33] <HexSquid> hitsujiTMO: geekmasterflash: thanks for your help but I think I'll go back to 13.04 for now
[23:33] <TauNeutrino> hey , is apple based on unix/bsd?
[23:33] <reisio> arvut: if you say so
[23:34] <reisio> TauNeutrino: yes
[23:34] <reisio> TauNeutrino: that is, Mac OS is
[23:34] <TauNeutrino> but not linux?
[23:34] <TauNeutrino> ehh yes, I mean Mac OS
[23:34] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, It's telling you that you didn't define the path to an ISO image
[23:34] <arvut> daze_: you get a choice to install ubuntu side by side with windows, it will then create a boot option to boot windows in grub2
[23:34] <reisio> TauNeutrino: it's based on FreeBSD, a BSD, which is a Unix
[23:34] <hitsujiTMO> TauNeutrino: thats OT, but darwin is built from freebsd + mach
[23:35] <TauNeutrino> darwin??
[23:35] <reisio> TauNeutrino: "Linux" (that is, GNU/Linux) is a Unix clone, a de facto Unix
[23:35] <GuybrushThreepwo> geekmasterflash: , I think my FF12 file is an .IMG file
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> TauNeutrino: darwin is the osx kernel
[23:35] <reisio> TauNeutrino: darwin is all the parts of Mac OS that Apple doesn't own exclusively
[23:35] <TauNeutrino> ahh ok
[23:35] <reisio> it's not the kernel
[23:35] <reisio> it's what I said :p
[23:35] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, So make it an ISO or find an iso version.
[23:35] <geekmasterflash> err
[23:35] <geekmasterflash> I mean
[23:35] <GuybrushThreepwo> It worked before, though
[23:35] <GuybrushThreepwo> but
[23:35] <geekmasterflash> "Buy the game"
[23:35] <geekmasterflash> ;)
[23:35] <TauNeutrino> ahh ok cool
[23:36] <reisio> you can actually run Darwin, except it has a tiny community because sane people choose GNU/Linux instead and insane choose Mac OS instead
[23:36] <TauNeutrino> thx
[23:36] <GuybrushThreepwo> maybe something happened when I copied it to dvd?
[23:36] <TauNeutrino> ;D
[23:36] <TauNeutrino> so apple wrote darwin??
[23:37] <TauNeutrino> said someone at apple channel
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: sorry your right.
[23:37] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Potentially, what you are getting is a warning that you don't have an ISO path. If you have it on DVD you can play direct from the disc provided it's written to the disc and not just a datafile on the disc
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> TauNeutrino best to take this convo to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:37] <TauNeutrino> hm ok
[23:37] <arvut> reisio: or maybe its the tech-savvy that chose linux while the ppl that "just want it to work" as so many mac users say, run OSX.
[23:37] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: apology accepted! You are pardoned :p
[23:37] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, I take that back, apparently the play from DVD plugin doesnt work
[23:38] <reisio> arvut: nope
[23:38] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, It has to be an ISO file.
[23:38] <arvut> if I ever bought a mac, I'd install gentoo on it
[23:38] <reisio> you can pay someone to install GNU/Linux for you and have it "just work" the same way you can pay to have Mac OS installed for you and just work
[23:38] <GuybrushThreepwo> how to confert img to iso then?
[23:38] <reisio> arvut: hear hear
[23:38] <GuybrushThreepwo> convert*
[23:38] <reisio> GuybrushThreepwo: what for
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: thany you my lord
[23:38] <GuybrushThreepwo> geekmasterflash tells me that i need to
[23:38] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: you will go far my child, don't forget those goat sacrifices
[23:38]  * reisio basks in the warmth of himself
[23:39] <arvut> reisio: yeah, but the ppl that buy macs get macosx preinstalled, so they tend to stick with it just because of that.
[23:39] <reisio> GuybrushThreepwo: that isn't a good enough reason
[23:39] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, ccd2iso name-of-file.img name-of-file.iso ?
[23:39] <Beldar> If one wants to not watch their computer and worry better apple than MS
[23:39] <geekmasterflash> reisio, He wants to use PCSX2 to play a ps2 game
[23:39] <krabador> hi, people, i've fsck every boot, how can i solve this'
[23:39] <reisio> arvut: mmm, but if the choice is between an OS that is preinstalled and one that is not, then the choice is not between Mac OS and GNU/Linux, as both can be bought preinstalled
[23:39] <geekmasterflash> reisio, But the plugin for playing from DVD doesnt exist on the Linux version
[23:40] <geekmasterflash> reisio, but PCSX2 can play direct from an iso image
[23:40] <Beldar> krabador, It is in fstab now
[23:40] <reisio> geekmasterflash: what happens when you tell it the .img is a .iso?
[23:40] <geekmasterflash> reisio, Crashes, apparently.
[23:40] <reisio> oh right it's not you :p
[23:40] <reisio> well that isn't indicative of much, except that the program is not well made
[23:40] <arvut> reisio: true, but I doubt apple offers a gnu/linux preinstall on their hardware ;) you have to pay your friendly pc-guy to do that for ya ;)
[23:41] <Beldar> krabador, Yuo have been running a fsck right?
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> GuybrushThreepwo: usually a .img can be renamed to .iso .... both are typically a raw copy of the filesystem
[23:41] <reisio> arvut: paying either way
[23:41] <GuybrushThreepwo> ccd2iso IOPRP300.IMG IOPRP300.ISO  Unrecognized sector mode (0) at sector 0!
[23:41] <GuybrushThreepwo> Maybe the file just got corrupted
[23:41] <GuybrushThreepwo> and i need to redownload it
[23:41] <GuybrushThreepwo> :/
[23:42] <GuybrushThreepwo> it worked as img just fine before. and it's one of the extensions pcsx2 accepts
[23:42] <krabador> Beldar, it's in fstab to check every boot?
[23:42] <reisio> GuybrushThreepwo: then it should work now without "converting" it
[23:42] <Beldar> krabador, You have run a fsck right?
[23:42] <tehlulzfor> @seen
[23:42] <krabador> Beldar, for / , i've 1 at pass
[23:43] <krabador> Beldar, i've it every boot
[23:43] <krabador> not scheduled
[23:43] <krabador> every boot
[23:43] <Beldar> krabador, Where did you run the fsck from?
[23:44] <krabador> Beldar, i've it later the latest upgrade
[23:44] <aguitel> any tips to install epson scanner cx 5600 ?
[23:44] <andrerics> reisio: I tried this. UbuntuStudio 13.10 not recognized Windows 8.1 so I shrinked a Windows 8.1 partition and installed UbuntuStudio 13.10 manually. After this i runned Boot Repair but only UbuntuStudio 13.10 appeared at GRUB. There are tutorials and documentation of how install ubuntu 13.10 in UEFI systems, but i don't know if my computer uses UEFI.
[23:44] <Beldar> krabador, upgrade within the release or to another release?
[23:44] <krabador> Beldar, i haven't run it, later the latest apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:45] <krabador> Beldar, not, i've a 13.10, fresh installation, from the day it comes out
[23:45] <Beldar> krabador, OKay back to the question, when you ran the fsck how did you do it?
[23:48] <GuybrushThreepwo> umm
[23:49] <GuybrushThreepwo> should i be able to run pcsx2 with no disk without selecting plugins or anything?
[23:49] <GuybrushThreepwo> cause that gives me an error too
[23:49] <GuybrushThreepwo> i do have a bios
[23:49] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, How are you trying to do this
[23:49] <bugtraq> hello gays
[23:49] <reisio> suppa homie
[23:49] <GuybrushThreepwo> I just selected "No Disk"
[23:50] <GuybrushThreepwo> under the iso menu
[23:50] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Because when I run it, CDVD->ISOSelector->(path/to/iso)
[23:50] <Beldar> krabador, Since you ran a fsck it changed fstab, ubuntu does not have fsck as part of a every 30 boot anymore. http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/88818-disabling-fsck-startup.html
[23:50] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Yeah no.
[23:50] <GuybrushThreepwo> idk, i wanted to see if it would do anything
[23:50] <GuybrushThreepwo> >_>
[23:51] <GuybrushThreepwo> I guess I'll find an actual game to test
[23:51] <hitsujiTMO> andrerics: are you on the live cd now?
[23:54] <GuybrushThreepwo> CDVD->ISOSelector->Browse is what i did before. tried full and fast
[23:54] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Okay, and what happened?
[23:54] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, and it was a .iso image, right?
[23:55] <Beldar> krabador, Honestly if it is running every boot and it is not the fstab check your HD for errors with the smartcheck.
[23:55] <krabador> Beldar, smartcheck?
[23:55] <GuybrushThreepwo> well for starters it said the supported files are iso mdf nrg bin img .dump, but that img to iso converter didnt even work so im guessing my game was corrupted
[23:56] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Ok, so get an iso. Lots of plugins are not on the linux version. I have never gotten anything but .iso files to load properly.
[23:57] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Make sure you have an .iso, that you set CDVD to ISO (and not plugin or no disc)
[23:57] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Then boot full
[23:57] <Beldar> krabador, The disks app has a smartcheck top right corner gear dropdown.
[23:57] <Hetal> Can someone develop a script that checks if a program died and it restarts it if it died
[23:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> ccd2iso IOPRP300.IMG IOPRP300.ISO  Unrecognized sector mode (0) at sector 0!
[23:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> I did show you that, right?
[23:57] <GuybrushThreepwo> it didn't work
[23:57] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, You did, and my answer is the same
[23:57] <geekmasterflash> GuybrushThreepwo, Get an iso file.
[23:58] <reisio> GuybrushThreepwo: what does 'file IOPRP300.IMG' say?
[23:58] <GuybrushThreepwo> IOPRP300.IMG: data
[23:58] <Beldar> krabador, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.
[23:59] <reisio> GuybrushThreepwo: strings IOPRP300.IMG | head | pastebinit


[08:08] <mdamt> Can I use PPA to build packages for UME?
[08:09] <mdamt> Hmm I guess no, https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart says it's only for x86 and AMD64....
[08:51] <dholbach> good morning
[03:24] <Uraeus> Mithrandir: around?
[03:24] <Mithrandir> Uraeus: I am
[05:09] <amitk> Mithrandir: ping
[05:13] <Mithrandir> hi amit
[05:16] <amitk> Mithrandir: Hi. I have to run to the shop to fix an emergency leak in the bathroom. I'll try to make it back before the meeting, but I have sent the spec status in case I don't
[05:16] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> good luck with fixing the leak. :-)
[05:17] <amitk> Mithrandir: easier said than done. I have no idea how to fix it :-p
[05:18] <Mithrandir> worst case, call a plumber.
[05:23] <bfiller> Mithrandir: question about hildon-desktop from upstream
[05:24] <Mithrandir> shoot
[05:24] <bfiller> Mithrandir: how often do we plan to merge into ubuntu branch? Looks like they've made a bunch of fixes that we proabably want
[05:25] <Mithrandir> I don't have a schedule for it, I'm happy to take whatever fixes they think are suitable for us
[05:26] <bfiller> Mithrandir: ok, I can also take a look at some of the changes and see if it's stuff we need
[05:29] <bfiller> Mithrandir: one more thing re:hildon-desktop trunk that I see on Lauchpad. Is this imported daily into launchpad or is it linked directly to upstream's source control?
[05:31] <Mithrandir> the vcs-import branch is imported regularly.  I'm not sure exactly how often, but I believe it's every 15 minutes or so
[05:32] <bfiller> thanks
[05:46] <smagoun> Mithrandir: I have patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137346 , which affects xserver-xorg-video-psb. Is that something you can apply? I was hoping bryce would get to it, I haven't seen him around recently though.
[05:48] <Mithrandir> smagoun: there was a bit of discussion about it either on a list or private mail.
[05:48] <Mithrandir> I can't remember what the conclusion was, though
[05:55] <smagoun> Mithrandir: There was some discussion on IRC; as I recall the conclusion was that EXA 2.2 (a hw-accelerated X API) wouldn't be backported to gutsy, so the driver needed to be able to work with EXA 2.1.
[05:56] <agoliveira> Meeting in 4?
[05:56] <Mithrandir> oh, you have a patch, sorry, I didn't see that bit.  Please send it to bryce and I'll prod him to get it integrated.
[05:56] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: yes
[05:56] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: morning, do you have your guys awake and present?
[05:57] <agoliveira> Thanks. I just had lunch so you won't hear me complaining this time :)
[05:57] <bfiller> agoliveira: pre-meeting question for you - a few weeks back you were working on completing the libosso integration (rather than stripping it out). Is this complete?
[05:57] <agoliveira> s/hear/see
[05:58] <agoliveira> bfiller: Yes, libosso is running at least on a compatibility level. I didn't test it's services tough but dbus wise should work I believe.
[05:58] <Mithrandir> asac,kwwii: you guys around?
[05:59] <bfiller> agoliveira: ok, thanks. I will ping you later w/some further questions
[05:59] <agoliveira> bfiller: no probme.
[05:59] <agoliveira> problem
[06:00] <asac> Mithrandir: yes
[06:00] <Mithrandir> good, since we're about to start the meeting, once the Intel guys show up.
[06:00] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: morning.  I am my guys
[06:00] <Mithrandir> hi Charlie
[06:01] <agoliveira> "I am my guys" ? Weird... :)
[06:01] <ToddBrandt> Hello all
[06:01] <ToddBrandt> bspencer is all of us
[06:01] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: so you're all present and accounted for then?
[06:01] <bspencer_> indeed
[06:02] <Charliefjohnson> Morning folks (at least morning here in Oregon, USA)
[06:03] <Mithrandir> ok, let's start then
[06:03] <agoliveira> Cool. Let's try 1 hour today? :)
[06:04] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: can you give us an update on the hardware decode bits?
[06:04] <Mithrandir> it's marked as not started in LP, I hope that's not correct?
[06:04] <Mithrandir> #startmeeting
[06:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:55. The chair is Mithrandir.
[06:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE]
[06:04] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  mobile-hw-decode
[06:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-hw-decode
[06:04] <Mithrandir> I almost forgot to use the bot. :-)
[06:04] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir: Don't have the updated info.  I'll have to nag Waldo. Sorry.
[06:05] <Mithrandir> could you do that and get him to send the status to the list?
[06:05] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:OK
[06:05] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  Charliefjohnson to talk with Waldo and get hw decode spec status posted to ubuntu-mobile@
[06:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Charliefjohnson to talk with Waldo and get hw decode spec status posted to ubuntu-mobile@
[06:05] <Mithrandir> thanks
[06:05] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  mobile-browser
[06:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-browser
[06:06] <cwong1> Asac has Uploaded a new midbrowser release to gusty. It had a problem but asac has just uploaded a fix. The browser should come up in the new target.
[06:06] <bspencer_> really?  great news
[06:06] <asac> ack
[06:06] <bspencer_> what was the problem?
[06:06] <Mithrandir> cwong1: yay, great.
[06:06] <cwong1> We contacted addons owners to add support for midbrowser.  The responses are good so far. If we supply them the patch to install.rdf, they will incorperate it in their package.
[06:06] <asac> bspencer_: packaging glitch
[06:06] <Mithrandir> cwong1: should you be the assignee for the mobile-browser spec, rather than Bob?
[06:06] <asac> bspencer_: uploaded from wrong local bzr branch :)
[06:06] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: probably, yes
[06:06] <cwong1> Mithrandir: yes
[06:06] <bspencer_> asac: I see
[06:06] <Charliefjohnson> So is the icon on the UI hooked up to launch it ?
[06:07] <cwong1> It should
[06:07] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: from what I've seen on crown beach applications start very slowly.
[06:07] <Mithrandir> cwong1: what's your LP username?
[06:07] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: including calculator
[06:07] <bfiller> cwong1: is there a .service file to prevent multiple instances from being launched?
[06:07] <cwong1> LP?
[06:07] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: and the browser is the slowest right now.  just fyi.
[06:07] <Charliefjohnson> bspencer_, : you have the libata patch?
[06:07] <HappyCamp> launchpad.net cwong1
[06:07] <agoliveira> cwong1: Launchpad
[06:08] <cwong1> cwong1
[06:08] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: I only heard from QA.  I'll check with you about that after . I don't know if they had the libata patch
[06:08] <cwong1> bfiller: I done have a .service file yet
[06:08] <bfiller> cwong1: but you are planning to, correct?
[06:08] <Charliefjohnson> bspencer_, :If they have the lastest kernel, they should have it.  You'll know it on the install if you don't.
[06:09] <cwong1> bfiller: y
[06:09] <cwong1> One last thing, we are currently working on a browser plugin to invoke our media player for video, pictures, music, ..etc.
[06:09] <cwong1> as the default ...
[06:10] <Mithrandir> ok
[06:10] <bspencer_> just a note here:  the current plan is to play all media content in the external player, except for flash video.
[06:10] <Mithrandir> is that properly documented in the spec?  (I can't remember)
[06:10] <bspencer_> if you click a radio link, for example, it opens the media player and starts to play.  Then you have to toggle back to the browser.
[06:10] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: not sure.  cwong1 is the owner ;)
[06:10] <cwong1> I will double check and if not I will update the doc
[06:11] <Mithrandir> ok, good
[06:11] <Mithrandir> moving on then.
[06:11] <Mithrandir> amitk: are you back again?
[06:12] <Mithrandir> seems not, we'll hopefully catch him later.
[06:12] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  mobile-graphics
[06:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-graphics
[06:12] <agoliveira> literally...
[06:12] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: could you please give us an update here?  I saw some discussion about EXA 2.2?
[06:13] <Charliefjohnson> OK. We have a current issue with the "psb" driver where it is claiming EXA 2.2 support where xserver 1.3 only has EXA 2.1
[06:13] <Charliefjohnson> So you get no 2D acceleration.
[06:13] <Mithrandir> smagoun here said he had a patch to fix that?
[06:13] <Mithrandir> (just before the meeting)
[06:13] <Charliefjohnson> Who is smagoun?
[06:14] <smagoun> yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137346
[06:14] <Charliefjohnson> So is this now resolved?
[06:14] <smagoun> CharliefJohnson: I work with bfiller, patm, lenkawell, etc
[06:14] <Mithrandir> it's not uploaded, but apparently we have a fix for it available.
[06:14] <smagoun> The patch needs to be applied to UME and possibly moblin
[06:15] <Charliefjohnson> I'll look at the bug report.
[06:15] <Mithrandir> smagoun: if you could attach the patch (if you haven't already) that'd be good.
[06:15] <Mithrandir> I'll notify bryce about it too
[06:15] <Charliefjohnson> Anyway - the redesign to ensure that the psb drm module can be open is complete and they are implementing.
[06:15] <smagoun> Mithrandir:  did that already
[06:16] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to talk with Bryce about EXA 2.1 patch for psb X driver
[06:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to talk with Bryce about EXA 2.1 patch for psb X driver
[06:17] <Charliefjohnson> I thinik the first 3D capable drop will show up in Nov.
[06:17] <Mithrandir> ok
[06:17] <Charliefjohnson> There may be some intermediate drops worth taking, I have to verify that with the team however.
[06:18] <Mithrandir> it would be useful so we could test it when we start getting the clutter UI drops happening.
[06:19] <Mithrandir> moving on, we've had reports from Bob about the UI so next up is the USB client stuff
[06:19] <Charliefjohnson> "clutter" is the replacement for flash?
[06:19] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: yes, based on OpenGL
[06:19] <Mithrandir> clutter is libclutter, OpenGL library developed by openedhand
[06:19] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  usb client
[06:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  usb client
[06:20] <Charliefjohnson> I got a status from them yesterday.  I'll post it to the mailing list.
[06:20] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[06:20] <Mithrandir> any interesting highlights?
[06:21] <Charliefjohnson> I didn't really read it yet. Sorry.  I was in a meeting all day yesterday.
[06:21] <HappyCamp> Charliefjohnson, http://projects.o-hand.com/  for Clutter info and more.
[06:21] <Mithrandir> ok, no problem
[06:21] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  mobile utilities
[06:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile utilities
[06:21] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: do you have a status update for us?
[06:22] <ToddBrandt> yea
[06:22] <ToddBrandt> As for the status of specific applets: All existing applets are fully functional except Date & Time, but it should be fully debugged by next week. The volume and screen brightness applets are delayed because they don't yet conform to the hildon status bar applet format (waiting for the owner to send an update)
[06:22] <ToddBrandt> Then there's a general issue of gconf settings: most control panel applet functions don't take because the apps on the system aren't listening to the cp applets' gconf keys. I'm creating a spreadsheet with all the them so we can add/change things til we get it right, then I'll maintain it on moblin.org for reference.
[06:23] <ToddBrandt> The second is more interesting, I assume that gconf is the standard of choice, yes?
[06:23] <agoliveira> ToddBrandt: You had that on your clipboard all the time didn't you? :)
[06:23] <Charliefjohnson> ToddBrandt: Great Update!
[06:23] <ToddBrandt> heh, I like to get it right ;)
[06:23] <Mithrandir> why don't they take?
[06:23] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, ToddBrandt is our very own "Mavis Bacon" ;)
[06:23] <bfiller> ToddBrandt: when will the applets show up in the control panel so we can play with them?
[06:23] <ToddBrandt> well the apps have to be listening to the right keys, so some do and some don;t
[06:23] <bspencer_> ToddBrandt I think gconf is the default.  I don't know if there is a dbus interface for it.  I recall corba being there and Nokia had some dbus addition, but it wasn't upstream
[06:24] <ToddBrandt> bfiller: they're there now, you're not seeing them !?
[06:24] <ToddBrandt> they're in ubuntu-staging
[06:24] <bfiller> ToddBrandt: no
[06:24] <amitk> agoliveira: I survived ;)
[06:24] <agoliveira> amitk: Cool ;)
[06:24] <bfiller> ToddBrandt: I ran image creator yesterday and didn't see them
[06:24] <Mithrandir> bfiller: they're in a separate fset
[06:25] <bfiller> Mithrandir: ah, which one?
[06:25] <ToddBrandt> bfiller: yea you have to install the ubuntu-stagin fset
[06:25] <Mithrandir> ubuntu-staging
[06:25] <bspencer_> you have to add it manually, (not part of samsung-full...)
[06:25] <bfiller> ToddBrandt: thanks, sorry for the confusion
[06:25] <bspencer_> bfiller: until they get integrated into ubuntu-mobile.
[06:25] <ToddBrandt> no problem :)
[06:25] <Mithrandir> gconf in Ubuntu doesn't have a dbus interface, but it does have a CORBA interface.  We should probably kill orbit and just use dbus
[06:26] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: I think that is the right thing to do
[06:26] <bspencer_> Nokia did this I believe
[06:26] <agoliveira> +1
[06:26] <bspencer_> owner = ToddBrandt  ?
[06:26] <Mithrandir> if he's willing or can be voluntold, sure.
[06:26] <ToddBrandt> bspoencer: yea, I'll take it
[06:26] <bspencer_> agoliveira doesn't have anything to do I hear ;)
[06:26] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  ToddBrandt to investigate use of DBUS for gconf
[06:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ToddBrandt to investigate use of DBUS for gconf
[06:26] <bspencer_> ToddBrandt cool.
[06:27] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: are you working with HappyCamp on getting the code uploaded?
[06:27] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: did you get that lsb-base patch uploade ?
[06:27] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: which code uploaded?
[06:27] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: asac fixed it in NM itself.
[06:27] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: the control panel applet code.
[06:28] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: asac only fixed half the bug, it will still fail when the package is removed, we need the fix to lsb-base
[06:28] <Mithrandir> he's your point main for getting stuff into Ubuntu now, and knows how the sponsorship process works.
[06:28] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to investigate lsb-base bug which breaks when network-manager is removed
[06:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to investigate lsb-base bug which breaks when network-manager is removed
[06:28] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: ok, I'll bug him about that
[06:28] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: for network manager, or for everything ?
[06:29] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: in general, but if there's something special, I can upload too
[06:29] <HappyCamp> bspencer_, I think for everything at the moment.  It is so I can become a member of MOTU
[06:29] <asac> Mithrandir: i am not sure if I should sponsor fixes to lsb-base
[06:29] <asac> Mithrandir: nm is fine though :)
[06:29] <HappyCamp> Of couse I just give it to Mithrandir or someone else.
[06:29] <Mithrandir> asac: I'll do it.
[06:29] <asac> good.
[06:29] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: in the short term, you do.  In the long term, you'll upload yourself.
[06:29] <HappyCamp> right.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> let's move on?
[06:30] <ToddBrandt> k
[06:30] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  mobile-image-creation
[06:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-image-creation
[06:30] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: can you give us a status update?
[06:31] <Mithrandir> also, what's your launchpad user ID?  You should be the assignee, not pkl.
[06:31] <HappyCamp> I have done more bug fixing mainly.
[06:31] <HappyCamp> I think my lp id is: john-l-villalovos
[06:32] <HappyCamp> I haven't had a whole lot of time to work on image-creator this week.  We had some other issues come up this week and it has taken up most of my time :(
[06:32] <bspencer_> images have been broken since last thursday due to nm bug
[06:32] <bspencer_> fsets failed.  But that should work today, I'm guessing
[06:32] <HappyCamp> I did put in the config file changes and they seem to be working.
[06:32] <bspencer_> I've used the ~/.image-creator/image-creator.cfg   -- it works for me
[06:32] <HappyCamp> Expansion of the config file work and much much better error handling is next.
[06:33] <smagoun> HappyCamp: is someone working on the save/restore feature we discussed during the sprint?
[06:33] <HappyCamp> Not yet.  I think there is a bug in bugzilla on it.
[06:33] <HappyCamp> But I did get assigned my very own "minion".  So hopefully I can get him up to speed and we can get some of this stuff cranked out soon.
[06:34] <HappyCamp> smagoun, https://www.moblin.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=97
[06:34] <HappyCamp> I don't really have much more to add on image-creator.  Anyone have questions?
[06:35] <Mithrandir> sounds like things are moving along at a good pace
[06:36] <bspencer_> error handling will be nice
[06:36] <Mithrandir> indeed, all of the wanted features would be nice
[06:36] <bspencer_> esp mine :)
[06:36] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  mobile-power-thermal-optimizations
[06:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-power-thermal-optimizations
[06:36] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: that one's yours.
[06:37] <Charliefjohnson> Is there anything more to discuss here, the patches were integrated into the kernel.  The blueprint was updated a couple of weeks ago so that the only thing adress was the thermal extension.
[06:38] <Mithrandir> it says "beta available", which usually means there is still work going into it.
[06:38] <Charliefjohnson> I'll take the action to find out if there is going to be any additional updates.
[06:39] <amitk> Charliefjohnson: What is the schedule to send the patches upstream?
[06:39] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  Charliefjohnson to investigate updates to mobile-power-thermal-optimizations
[06:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Charliefjohnson to investigate updates to mobile-power-thermal-optimizations
[06:39] <Charliefjohnson> I'll have to check with the guys in India.  I don't have that info close at hand.
[06:40] <Mithrandir> if you could do so and report back, that'd be much appreciated.
[06:41] <Charliefjohnson> OK
[06:41] <Mithrandir> I'd like us to review action items from the last meeting, and get an update on how we ended up deciding to get updates into Ubuntu is actually working.
[06:42] <Mithrandir> anybody got any more agenda items?
[06:42] <Charliefjohnson> Was a UI update sent to the mailing list?
[06:42] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: yes
[06:42] <amitk> are there any more kernel patches pending integration?
[06:42] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: before 1400 as requested (IIRC)
[06:43] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Action items from last meeting
[06:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action items from last meeting
[06:43] <amitk> Charliefjohnson: Any updates on schedule for 2D DRM drivers?
[06:43] <Mithrandir> bfiller,rusty and bspencer_ were to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way
[06:43] <Charliefjohnson> Can we get the Xterm icon hooked up to xterm ??  It is a pain in the but with no xterm available except by booting to single user mode.
[06:44] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: we had a discussion with bfiller, but the task isn't completed
[06:44] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: ok, so you want it again for the next week too?
[06:44] <Charliefjohnson> The graphics drivers and DRM are all part of the same package.
[06:44] <agoliveira> Charliefjohnson: Ctrl+Alt+F1? :)
[06:44] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: yes.  we will report next week
[06:44] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  bfiller, rustyl, bspencer to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way
[06:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bfiller, rustyl, bspencer to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way
[06:45] <Charliefjohnson> agoliveira: has worked for me.  Just hangs my crown beach.
[06:45] <Mithrandir> I have reviewed a few specs and sent them back, so that's an ongoing process, but since it's not complete, I earn an ACTION
[06:45] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to review and approve specs (2)
[06:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to review and approve specs (2)
[06:45] <agoliveira> Charliefjohnson: Oh... I only have the Q1 and works on it.
[06:45] <Charliefjohnson> agoliveira: probably a driver bug.
[06:46] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: the psb driver is buggy and switching away from X doesn't work.
[06:46] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: though, I agree getting the icon hooked up would be good.
[06:46] <Charliefjohnson> There is an updated 2D driver they we need to test.  It might be worth taking.
[06:46] <Mithrandir> sure, can you coordinate that with Bryce?
[06:47] <patm> Charliefjohnnson, what is new in the updated 2D driver?
[06:47] <Charliefjohnson> Issue: We might have a problem with folks applying patches to the "psb" driver directly in MOBLIN.
[06:48] <Mithrandir> ok, moving on the next topic then?
[06:48] <Charliefjohnson> The team doing the driver doesn't not participate in MOBLIN.  So patches that go there will cause extra merging since MOBLIN is not the source of the driver.
[06:48] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: can that be solved by just letting the authorised set of people push to the driver repository?
[06:49] <HappyCamp> Mithrandir, it could, I guess.  If they would want to.  I'm not sure who "they" are.
[06:49] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  It is a bit more complicated than that and become political. :^(
[06:49] <bspencer_> political:  Does this have something to do with the Senator from Idaho?
[06:50] <Charliefjohnson> Internal Intel politics.
[06:50] <Mithrandir> well, we need to make sure that nobody commits to the moblin tree without it coming from the relevant group inside intel, right?
[06:50] <agoliveira> bspencer_: The one that "loves" cops? :-D
[06:50] <bspencer_> :)
[06:50] <Mithrandir> this either means not having the tree there or restricting access somehow.
[06:51] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: is it contentious for the people writing the driver to be pushing their updates onto the git tree on moblin.org?
[06:51] <Charliefjohnson> Yes - Any patches for Graphics (2D or DRM) should be sent to me.  I'll work with the team to incorporating the change.
[06:52] <Mithrandir> so the tree on moblin.org is pointless, then?
[06:53] <Mithrandir> or are you working with an internal git tree which this one is just a branch of?
[06:53] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  For certain components - yes
[06:53] <Mithrandir> which of those questions was that a yes to?
[06:53] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  This is probably an offline discussion.
[06:53] <Mithrandir> ok, we can cover it on the phone later then?
[06:54] <Mithrandir> then I'd like us to move on to the topic of updates from moblin into Ubuntu
[06:54] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  flow of updates from moblin into Ubuntu
[06:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  flow of updates from moblin into Ubuntu
[06:54] <Mithrandir> we've covered this a couple of times before, and now we've changed the procedure so HappyCamp should become a MOTU relativetly quickly, and I am less of a bottleneck.
[06:55] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: have you had much experience with the process yet, or has that been hampered by the "other stuff" you mentioned above?
[06:55] <HappyCamp> I've been hampered with the "other stuff" this week.  Hopefully I will be finished with everything today.  And then can get back on the moblin stuff fulltime.
[06:56] <Mithrandir> ok, good.  I'll raise the topic again next week and we can evaluate how the new process is working?
[06:56] <HappyCamp> sounds good.
[06:57] <Mithrandir> anybody got any other business?
[06:58] <agoliveira> I just want to warn that tomorrow is a holiday here so I won't be available.
[06:58] <Charliefjohnson> App List - Long discussion yesterday.
[06:58] <Mithrandir> ah, yes
[06:58] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  user applications
[06:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  user applications
[06:59] <agoliveira> Fine. Charliefjohnson, do you have any specific questions?
[06:59] <bspencer_> just FYI, Peter is Mauri's replacement.  I think some of the discussion is him getting familiar with the application work going on
[06:59] <bspencer_> and the email yesterday was to clarify where best to put additional help and not duplicate adilson's work
[06:59] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Yes, I've traded a few emails about this yesterday.
[06:59] <Charliefjohnson> Peter is the engineering mgr.  Mauri will continue to be the program mgr I thought.
[06:59] <bspencer_> agoliveira: right.  just fyi for those listening
[07:00] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: yes, true.
[07:00] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Sure
[07:00] <bspencer_> agoliveira: I'd like to chat with you after this mtg more
[07:00] <bspencer_> or after lunch if you prefer
[07:00] <Charliefjohnson> The root of the app list email is that Intel mangement wanted a date for when all the apps have been identified.
[07:00] <Mithrandir> just to be clear, engineering manager is roughly what we call technical lead?
[07:00] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Sure. I already lunch so we can do just afetr the meeting.
[07:00] <Charliefjohnson> I think with the latest list.  The only apps not identified are the Games.
[07:00] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: no, he won't be writing code
[07:00] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: more of a director
[07:00] <Mithrandir> ok
[07:01] <agoliveira> Charliefjohnson: Exaclty. I expect to do it next week.
[07:01] <bspencer_> everyone should write one
[07:01] <agoliveira> You can also keep an eye or subscribe to the wiki page. I try to keep it updated,
[07:01] <bspencer_> and we should have a prize for the best game
[07:01] <bspencer_> agoliveira: yes, thanks for keeping that up to date.  I use that page here a lot to remind me what is up.
[07:01] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: you suggested a date about two weeks into the future as a deadline for selection of all applications.  That sounds fine to me, at least.
[07:02] <agoliveira> bspencer_: I have several published... for casinos, but it's a game anyway ;)
[07:02] <Charliefjohnson> I have to attend a staff meeting.  So have to bail.
[07:02] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: I have one more topic:  deadlines for October release and what it means to Ubuntu-mobile
[07:02] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: / everyone:  sorry if we go over :-\
[07:02] <Mithrandir> see you, Charlie.
[07:03] <Mithrandir> ok, so no conclusion on user applications as Charlie had to leave.
[07:03] <agoliveira> BTW, would be great if Peter could attend the meeting too.
[07:03] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  deadlines for October release and implications for UME
[07:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  deadlines for October release and implications for UME
[07:04] <bspencer_> agoliveira: I'll mention that, but I thikn it is rusty and I who will be here usually
[07:04] <bspencer_> agoliveira: and Mauri will attend too (she is on vacation)
[07:04] <agoliveira> bspencer_: At least ;)
[07:05] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: I know there are upcoming deadlines
[07:05] <bspencer_> and I wanted to clarify what kind of expectations or limitations there would be
[07:05] <bspencer_> one example:  Clutter UI probably gets done end of Sept.  Is it still possible to make it the default UI for Oct ?
[07:05] <Mithrandir> We've been discussing this a fair bit back and forth, both internally and at least with some others.
[07:06] <Mithrandir> and I'd like to make 7.10 also be an developer-targetted alpha
[07:06] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: This is very reasonable
[07:07] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: ok.  Well maybe you could set some dates when changes will be frozen
[07:07] <Mithrandir> I need to sit and look at the calendar for exactly when freezes should be happening.  7.10 happens on october 18th
[07:07] <bspencer_> ok.  Maybe you could share that next week?
[07:08] <Mithrandir> my main problem with making the clutter UI the default is it's going to be useless on menlow hardware until we have 3D support.
[07:08] <Mithrandir> I'll see what I can do, absolutely.
[07:08] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: true.  I have a fallback fro that
[07:08] <bspencer_> s/fro/for
[07:08] <Mithrandir> input is much appreciated too, if anybody has any (strong or otherwise) opinions.
[07:09] <bspencer_> I think a minimum of 2wks should be used for bug fixing only
[07:09] <bspencer_> and we should clairfy the apps and features we expect now
[07:09] <bspencer_> (not now as in this meeting)
[07:09] <bfiller> bspencer_: I'd like to see navigation work alot better too
[07:10] <bspencer_> bfiller: navigation in the home screen or navigation between apps?
[07:10] <bfiller> bspencer_: as in being able to get back to home plugin
[07:10] <Mithrandir> we're kinda running out of time for that to happen, but I'll raise it on the mailing list and based on that, we can decide in the meeting next week?
[07:10] <bfiller> bspencer_: and not relaunching apps if they are running
[07:10] <bspencer_> bfiller: definately.  We will be trying a new idea this week:  jump to home screen instead of drop-deown menu. (like iPhone a little)
[07:11] <bspencer_> and yes, no duplicate apps running
[07:11] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: ok.
[07:11] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to raise scheduling/freezes on mailing list, decision to be taken in next week's meeting
[07:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to raise scheduling/freezes on mailing list, decision to be taken in next week's meeting
[07:11] <Mithrandir> ok, then I think we're out of agenda items.
[07:12] <HappyCamp>  offtopic: Mithrandir, Has Ubuntu emailed invitiations for UDS yet?
[07:12] <agoliveir1> Sorry... it did drop
[07:12] <bfiller> bspencer_: sounds good. I've played with this a little and used keyboard shortcut to get back home as well
[07:12] <ian_brasil> HappyCamp: yes
[07:12] <bspencer_> bfiller: Alt+D ?
[07:12] <bspencer_> :)
[07:12] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: argh, no, that's fallen off my list.  It's not meeting thing, so I'll note it on my offline todo list.
[07:12] <HappyCamp> ian_brasil, okay.  Hopefully they went to my manager :)
[07:12] <bfiller> bspencer_: right!
[07:13] <Mithrandir> ian_brasil: no, not really.  Some, but not all.
[07:13] <ian_brasil> ah, ok..sorry
[07:14] <Mithrandir> Before adjourning I'd like to ask everybody to please, please, please remember to post status updates to the list next week as they help keep the meeting somewhat short.  Also, if you would be so kind as to be here on time and not wander in three minutes past, that should make us waste less time.
[07:14] <Mithrandir> thanks everybody, adjourned
[07:14] <Mithrandir> #endmeeting
[07:14] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:05.
[07:15] <bspencer_> agoliveira: 2 mins for chat?
[07:15] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Sure.
[07:16] <bspencer_> ok.  4 apps listed.  We want to put a couple "spare" guys on a few for a few weeks
[07:16] <kwwii> oops, sorry guys I was at the store and missed the meeting
[07:16] <bspencer_> we'll call it a "surge"
[07:16] <bspencer_> then when peace reigns we'll pull them out
[07:16] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Fine
[07:16] <bspencer_> kwwii: you lose man
[07:16] <bspencer_> agoliveira: Peter had 4 apps listed, one was GPS/Navigation .l
[07:16] <kwwii> bspencer_: no doubt - i'll new get to test my new theme :-(
[07:16] <bspencer_> s/.1//
[07:17] <bspencer_> kwwii: you could send a status to the mailing list.  That would be interesting for me.  I'll try your theme!
[07:17] <kwwii> bspencer_: did you get my mail about the missing pieces needed to test the theme ?
[07:17] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: That wasn't on the initial specs.
[07:17] <kyleN> kwwii, could you include me in th emailings please? thx
[07:17] <kwwii> bspencer_: it will not install...it seems that our hildon-theme-tools package is missing a couple of parts
[07:17] <kwwii> kyleN: sure, you are on the list right?
[07:18] <bspencer_> agoliveir1: right
[07:18] <bspencer_> agoliveir1:  so no worries.  We'll maybe see if we can find somehting
[07:18] <kyleN> oh, you sent to ubuntu-mobile - I must have missed it
[07:18] <bspencer_> agoliveir1:  Office:  abiword.  Can we help there?
[07:18] <bspencer_> kwwii: just a sec.  I just want to wrap up woth agoliveir1 first
[07:18] <kwwii> kyleN: no, I sent the last email just to bspencer_ because I thought he would know about whether these pieces are missing
[07:18] <kwwii> bspencer_: no problem
[07:19] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Abiword is just packing, don't worry. Evince would be a good one.
[07:19] <kyleN> cool
[07:19] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Not too hard too as the interface is simple.
[07:19] <agoliveir1> Another great help would be in simplifying the OpenOffice interface.
[07:20] <bspencer_> agoliveir1: mm... I'm not excited about OO
[07:20] <bspencer_> it is so big
[07:20] <bspencer_> it is like Mozilla x 4
[07:20] <bspencer_> not a mobile app
[07:20] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Me neither but it's the only option we have now to support all MS docs and this is on the SoW.
[07:21] <bspencer_> agoliveir1:  really?  I'm checking the SOW
[07:21] <agoliveir1> And the rest of the chain food there is asking for it :)
[07:21] <bspencer_> Maybe we should push back alittle.  Mainly we need a ppt app, right?
[07:21] <bspencer_> food chain, not chain food
[07:21] <agoliveir1> Yes.
[07:21] <agoliveir1> From sharks to mcdonalds :)
[07:22] <bspencer_> :)
[07:22] <bspencer_> hold on that then, there were two more apps.
[07:22] <bspencer_> oh, PDF viewer?
[07:22] <bspencer_> and RSS reader
[07:22] <agoliveir1> Yes, evince can handle it.
[07:22] <bspencer_> maybe we could work on Lafeara
[07:23] <bspencer_> is evince PDF?
[07:23] <agoliveir1> Already on my list
[07:23] <bspencer_> which?
[07:23] <agoliveir1> Evince can handle PDF and a lot others.
[07:23] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: On my list - RSS reader I mean.
[07:23] <bspencer_> I know you have a list, but I want to know which apps you are 100% sure you can Hildonize by end of month.
[07:23] <bspencer_> or 80% :)
[07:24] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: It's hard to say but I believe that, not counting things like OO, all of them or almost that.
[07:24] <bspencer_> Are you planning to port Lifeaara (sp)
[07:24] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Yes.
[07:24] <bspencer_> ok.  We won't do any work there
[07:24] <bspencer_> and evince?
[07:24] <agoliveir1> That too.
[07:24] <bspencer_> k
[07:25] <bspencer_> and rdesktop -- what was the conclusion?
[07:25] <agoliveir1> It will go in the pot too. I was looking at it today BTW.
[07:25] <bspencer_> after using it I like it
[07:25] <bspencer_> because it feels so Windows-y  for those Windows people out there
[07:26] <bspencer_> and it scaled to 1024x600 very gracefully with no work
[07:26] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: I've being hacking on it for almost 3 years so I know a bit or 2 about it ;)
[07:26] <bspencer_> sweet
[07:26] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: The only limitation is the RDP protocol itself.
[07:26] <bspencer_> what about porting the maemo GTK-based VNC application to moblin?   Maybe we can do that
[07:27] <agoliveir1> and what we can reverse-engineer from it... which brings me the case of legal that you're afraid...
[07:27] <bspencer_> (in addition, on the side)
[07:27] <agoliveir1> I woudn't care about vnc now as it requires a server to work on windows and it's much more limited.
[07:27] <bspencer_> ah, RDP for rdesktop is reverse engineered and not fully in the clear.
[07:27] <agoliveir1> bspencer_: Right.
[07:28] <agoliveir1> The RDP spec published does not work on MS implementation.
[07:29] <bspencer_> agoliveira: ok
[07:30] <bspencer_> agoliveira: have you triued it with vista?
[07:30] <bspencer_> (I only tried with XP)
[07:30] <bspencer_> I assume nothing changed.  just wondered.
[07:30] <agoliveira> bspencer_: No, I don't have a vista capable of work as server but should work while they don't push RDP to version 6.
[07:30] <bspencer_> ok.
[07:31] <bspencer_> so are there any othre important apps (besides OO or ppt equivalent) that you would like short-term help with?
[07:31] <agoliveira> Even so you can aways work on RDP 5 and miss a few things like seamless windows.
[07:32] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Well, all help you could lend would be great but for now I guess that's it.
[07:32] <bspencer_> agoliveira: gnumeric -- you can get that ported by end of Sept too ?  :)
[07:32] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Same as abiword. No problem.
[07:32] <bspencer_> agoliveira: you da man
[07:33] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Tell that to my boos when my next review comes :)
[07:33] <agoliveira> s/boos/boss
[07:33] <bspencer_> I tell your boos anytime
[07:33] <bspencer_> you bring the boos, I'll tell it you're great
[07:34] <bspencer_> agoliveira: ok.  thanks.
[07:34] <agoliveira> bspencer_: My pleasure.
[07:34] <agoliveira> Let me know when you can provide any help so I can sync the efforts and avoid duplication.
[07:35] <bspencer_> agoliveira: well, aside from OO and GPS I didn't see you needing any help
[07:35] <bspencer_> so I won't be providing any
[07:36] <agoliveira> bspencer_: It's a matter of time. If you want faster...
[07:36] <bspencer_> right, I understand
[07:36] <agoliveira> Cool.
[07:36] <kyleN> hey agoliveria, question?
[07:37] <kyleN> typo in name notwithstanding ;)
[07:37] <agoliveira> kyleN: Sure, if I can help...
[07:37] <kyleN> it is about help, as a matter of fact
[07:38] <kyleN> I am wondering in general what thought has been given to help in ume, with respect to apps and the system
[07:38] <kyleN> is the ubuntu model going to be used?  (yelp and etc.)
[07:38] <kyleN> are all apps following that model?
[07:38] <agoliveira> Well, to tell you the truth, I didn't think about it.
[07:39] <kwwii> bspencer_: quick chat about the themeing?
[07:39] <kyleN> I think Yelp looks good.
[07:39] <agoliveira> and I guess we won't have time to mess with that right now so it goes down the line :)
[07:39] <kyleN> but, what about apps? is there a standard that they need to know about to fit into the system?
[07:39] <kyleN> down the line is farther away for some folks than others ;)
[07:40] <agoliveira> kyleN: In general, if the applciation uses hildon the right way, they fit the interface but there's a few things like dbus messaging that will probably need more hacking later.
[07:40] <kyleN> does hildon support a help framework?
[07:41] <agoliveira> kyleN: Beats me, sorry. Never looked at it.
[07:41] <kwwii> kyleN: it is based on xml with an xslt stylesheet and a utility to install it in the system
[07:41] <kyleN> yes, I know how Yelp works
[07:41] <kyleN> thx
[07:42] <kyleN> I think UME should decide to use it and state it as THE requirement for help
[07:42] <kwwii> kyleN: yes, I agree
[07:43] <agoliveira> kyleN: I suggest you send this to the ML so we can open a discussion about it.
[07:43] <kyleN> and, at the risk of sounding shrill, I think the sooner this decision (or some decision) is taken, thebetter
[07:43] <kyleN> OK, I'll do that
[07:43] <kwwii> bspencer_: so as far as the themeing goes, I figured out how to create a theme about 8 hours before the documentation came out.
[07:44] <kwwii> kyleN: for themeing we will probably need to add a bit of specific info on top of the stuff already online
[07:44] <kyleN> kwii, cool. does it handle the points in the spec?
[07:44] <kwwii> bspencer_: but after building a theme it fails to install because we are missing "hildon-theme-cacher" which is apparently in the hildon-theme-tools package (but not our version)
[07:45] <kwwii> kyleN: yes, it handles them in a pretty basic way
[07:45] <ian_brasil> kyleN: i agree
[07:45] <kwwii> kyleN: it does not say what each pic does exactly so we might want to add a bit more
[07:45] <kyleN> i noticed the outliner tool helps designer know where to put images
[07:46] <kwwii> kyleN: yes, that helps quite a lot in creating a theme actually
[07:46] <kyleN> kwwii, yes, I think the theme sdk is a great idea
[07:46] <kwwii> but the colors stuff, for instance, is quite spooky
[07:46] <kyleN> that will help them try out themes and find out what happens
[07:46] <kwwii> there are a lot of names and I still have little idea exactly what each one does
[07:47] <kyleN> kwii, that's the difficult part.
[07:47] <kyleN> I did make a list of the main image files used today
[07:47] <kwwii> I would like to add a sentence about each color-name and perhaps a screenshot of where exactly that color is used
[07:48] <kwwii> kyleN: cool
[07:48] <kyleN> it includes everythign on the marquee and on marquee menus and submenus, but not icons
[07:48] <kwwii> the most important thing at this point would be to enable theme switching in our current stuff
[07:49] <kyleN> kwwii: yes, theme switching is important
[07:49] <kwwii> kyleN: yeah, the icons are going to be a lot of work as well...it is more down to experience than anything else at this point
[07:49] <kyleN> I think a document specifying what themeing is and isn't would be really helpful
[07:49] <kwwii> kyleN: yeah, I pretty much stopped working on it because it is unrealistic to continually manually copy over all the pics and files in a running system
[07:50] <kyleN> kwwii, do they have to be copied, or could te system just look in the new directory?
[07:51] <kwwii> if we had everything working right it would/should be able to simply create new directories in the right places and allow one to switch back and forth
[07:51] <kwwii> as things are now we cannot even install a new theme without doing it by hand
[07:51] <kyleN> yes, that's definitely the goal
[07:51] <kyleN> well, it's great that work is going on in this area. I know it's a tedious area
[07:52] <kwwii> I guess bspencer_ would know more about what we need to do to get that working though
[07:52] <kyleN> I think we need a high level plan with milestones and etc
[07:53] <kwwii> at this point, the plan would be to get the theme-switching working and then to document all the pieces...after that we can document the process for including a theme in a default setup
[07:53] <kyleN> getting it working for theme designer pre-build is probably the highest priority
[07:53] <kyleN> we said opposite things ;)
[07:54] <Mithrandir> kyleN: for help, would you be willing to spearhead that?
[07:54] <kyleN> sure M.
[07:54] <kwwii> the thing is that without the theme-switching capability it is almost impossible to really test a theme otherwise you would have to rebuild the whole system after replacing all the pics and config files in the source
[07:54] <kwwii> and I really need to be able to test things to figure out how it all fits together
[07:54] <Mithrandir> kyleN: great.  Could you add a blueprint to launchpad and make ubuntu-mobile the approver and then start by writing a spec for it?
[07:55] <Mithrandir> (there's a SpecTemplate on the wiki, so base your spec off that)
[07:55] <kyleN> kwwii, is that true? couldn't you just put the new files in a target and relaunch in xephyr?
[07:55] <kwwii> kyleN: yes but that is a big waste of time
[07:55] <kyleN> ok, but it tests/exercises slicer, outliner, in other words, the tools the third party theme designer would need to use
[07:56] <kyleN> Mithrandir, yes
[07:56] <kwwii> for the colors for instance, you have to change one color at a time and then test it...perhaps switching back to the old version to see how it worked
[07:56] <kwwii> kyleN: yepp, the tools to create the theme work great and pretty straight forward
[07:56] <kwwii> that part is done, really (thanks nokia!)
[07:57] <kyleN> ok. do we have a clear "App API" for icon themeing yet?
[07:57] <kwwii> kyleN: not sure I get what you mean by app api
[07:57] <kwwii> I do not think that there are any documents which explain what each icon does specifically and where it will appear
[07:57] <kyleN> a clear description of how a UME application usees themeable icons - where they go and don't go, etc
[07:58] <kyleN> not what each icon does, but how to write an app that whose icons are themeable
[07:58] <kwwii> the xdg stuff lists some icons and explains them in decent context but that is only a few of the many icons in the system
[07:59] <kwwii> kyleN: ahh, now I see...not sure if that exists or not..I would guess that it simply comes from the gtk code and not something app-specific
[07:59] <kyleN> I  might not understand, but I am not talking about what each icon does
[08:00] <kwwii> each app might add special icons, of course
[08:00] <kyleN> yes: as in a wiki page that specifies UME requirements for applications with respect to themeable icons
[08:00] <kwwii> you will probably also find that many apps simply use icons that some developer picked at random
[08:00] <kyleN> yes, and those special icons, to be themable, should go somewhere and not somewhere else, right?
[08:00] <kyleN> let's say we get user-settable themes really working
[08:01] <kwwii> yes, the places for icons are very well defined
[08:01] <kyleN> ok.
[08:01] <kyleN> usr/share/icons/(theme)... I suppose
[08:02] <kyleN> anyway, I'll shut up now ;)
[08:02] <kyleN> (gotta go eat - cheers)
[08:02] <kwwii> yes, exactly
[08:02] <kwwii> cheers
[08:17] <bspencer_> kwwii: ok.  sorry I stepped away
[08:17] <bspencer_> kwwii: does someone own getting hildon-theme-cacher updated?
[08:34] <alek_in_AG1> bspencer_, how about no lunch too ?
[09:05] <kwwii> bspencer_: I think that it is part of hildon-theme-tools package
[09:07] <bspencer_> kwwii: yeah.  do you know what is broken?
[09:07] <bspencer_> we have that package
[09:08] <kwwii> bspencer_: in our package there does not appear to be the hildon-theme-cacher part - as far as I can tell it is simply missing
[09:10] <bspencer_> yeah, I don't see it
[10:03] <agoliveira> Gentleman, tomorrow is our Independence Day here in Brazil which I'll celebrate sleeping until it hurts (I won this right parading on the streets during the military dictatorship times) so, Im' leaving right on cue and I bid you farewell!
[10:03] <kwwii> agoliveira: have a lot of fun :-)
[10:04] <agoliveira> kwwii: I will dream about it :) Bye!
[10:08] <lucasr> yo
[10:33] <bspencer_> lucasr: ping -- I had a question about configuration files in hildon-desktop
[10:42] <benj3one> Is anyone here experimenting with ARM port yet?
[11:01] <benj3one> I am settling for windows mobile5 on my motoQ at the moment, and it's making me cry :-(