[00:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Cool!
[00:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I have one problem... I can detect when HP are plugged in, but not if they are plugged in at startup
 here's a question: is there even a mechanism that could be used to DETERMINE if it's plugged in or not at startup
 because I know there's system-level detect triggers for "new device plugged in" during initial handshakes to make it work
 but not sure if there's an exposed flag or such to that end that indicates 'connected' at boot, at least at a way you'd be able to do it easily
 'course you guys know more about it than I do :)
 *lurks more*
[00:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am also wondering if I should monitor anything that gets connected to the speaker output and auto reconnect that to the hp device (if they differ)
[00:25] <OvenWerks> teward: yeah, I can find a one line difference in /proc/asound/PCH/codec#0.
[00:28] <OvenWerks> The only problem is if it is there in the same place on all (or even most) systems
[00:29] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Yeah, HP = headphones, and that gets reported by the hardware weirdly.
[00:35] <OvenWerks> so Control: name="Front Playback Switch" has Pin-ctls: 0x00: that changed depending on plugged...
[00:35] <OvenWerks> but: Control: name="Headphone Playback Switch" does not change :P
 Eickmeyer: yep, it does 😜
 'course... depending on the headphones, mine're USB-C and probably aren't going to get reported right anyways XD
 *shot*
[00:37] <OvenWerks> Actually, I can deal with USB headphones
[00:37] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: It's been something we've been working on for quite some time. Users are reporting difficulty when they have Jack running and want to use their headphones: nothing is switching it.
[00:37] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: USB headphones are easier to deal with.
[00:37] <OvenWerks> if the device exists... usb headphones are in :)


[03:10] <duanedesign> o/
[09:39] <cullingworth> hi
[09:40] <cullingworth> I want to disable reverse DNS in apache2.
[09:45] <Guest41711> hi
[09:47] <Guest41711>  I want to disable reverse DNS in apache2.
[09:47] <Guest41711> any idea


[12:58] <ochosi> hey elfy
[12:58] <knome> hey elfy, ochosi
[12:59] <knome> i'll play some ps3 and then boot up my desktop machine
[12:59] <knome> if there's something any of me want to look at, i'll be on that in an hour at latest
[13:02]  * ochosi will go get some really late breakfast now
[13:03] <ochosi> elfy: i wanted to ask you whether you could test both lightdm-gtk-greeter from the daily ppa (we're planning to do a new release really soon) and greybird from git (without that, the greeter won't be themed properly)
[13:03] <ochosi> elfy: https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/daily
[13:04] <ochosi> elfy: and https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
[13:04] <ochosi> bbiab
[14:14] <elfy> ochosi: of course - it might be tomorrow - suffering a headache after fighting with bzr and testcases for the first time
[14:33] <ochosi> elfy: sorry to hear! yeah sure, anytime would be great
[14:33] <elfy> I'll be much more with it in the morning :)
[14:33] <ochosi> elfy: the layout of the greeter has changed a bit, but the important thing would be that everything is readable and looking ok
[14:34] <ochosi> well, and that it works :)
[14:34] <elfy> ha ha ha - ok - I'll report back tomorrow I expect :)
[14:35] <knome> https://twitter.com/Woogy_7/status/333648122108592128
[14:35] <knome> original message, mostly
[14:35] <elfy> :)
[14:36] <knome> the rest is just mac fanboy talk ;)
[14:42] <lderan> aye
[15:06] <ochosi> gotta honestly say that USC is far more responsive in R
[15:07] <knome> that's a good thing i suppose
[15:07] <elfy> really?
[15:07] <ochosi> yeah, it's still ugly looking unfortunately
[15:07] <elfy> I still found it dog slow
[15:07] <ochosi> the UI is kinda overloaded with stuff, wondering who designed that
[15:08] <knome> elfy, dogs aren't slow...
[15:08] <elfy> someone with rings on their fingers, bells on their toes, they shall bling, wherever they go
[15:08] <knome> anyway, i'm off
[15:09] <elfy> knome: sorry I'll be more specific next time
[15:09] <elfy> cya
[15:09] <knome> the humming from the pc is boring to listen to :P
[15:09] <elfy> :)
[15:09] <knome> see you! :)
[15:09] <ochosi> hf
[15:09] <knome> you too
[17:39] <pleia2> knome: so with twitter integration on the website I'm worried it'll look really cheesy
[17:40] <pleia2> (it usually does)
[17:40] <lderan> agreed
[17:40] <pleia2> so if we really want to address https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1006371 I think we need someone to do a non-sucky mock-up
[17:40] <pleia2> hi lderan :)
[17:40] <knome> pleia2, i can make it look good.
[17:40] <knome> pleia2, but that's not the only consideration
[17:40] <lderan> hi pleia2 :D
[17:41] <pleia2> I need to run out
[17:41] <knome> hf pleia2
[17:41] <pleia2> see you
[17:43] <jjfrv8> knome, I just pushed revision 42 to my branch. I edited an entry in the xubuntu.ent file. Don't know if I'm supposed to do that.
[17:44] <knome> jjfrv8, that's fine. i'll look at it in a moment :)
[17:50] <knome> skellat, the status isn't "merged" yet. i didn't merge it... :)
[17:50] <skellat> knome: Crud.  Could you please fix that since I can't?
[17:50] <knome> skellat, i'm about to do it soon though
[17:50] <knome> i did. :)
[17:51] <skellat> Thank you
[17:51] <knome> skellat, jjfrv8: feel free to set me (knome) as the reviewer when you send merge proposals
[17:53] <skellat> What's the diff that LP is flagging at lines 84 & 85?  I'm not seeing it. https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8-gmail/xubuntu-docs/managing-apps-edit/+merge/165753
[17:53] <knome> skellat, last sentence
[17:54] <skellat> Ah
[17:54] <knome> skellat, +"can be found"
[17:54]  * skellat figures he needs to set a bigger font size one of these days...or go find his glasses...
[17:55] <jjfrv8> knome, it looks like you are set as a reviewer on my last push, did you do that yourself?
[17:55] <knome> jjfrv8, that's probably done automatically since i reviewed it before
[17:55] <jjfrv8> OK, I'll remember to set it on my next one.
[17:56] <knome> can't remember if i added myself as the reviewer or not
[17:56] <knome> probably yes if you didn't :)
[18:04] <knome> skellat, jjfrv8: both merges approved and merged.
[18:04] <knome> thanks!
[18:05] <skellat> Cool
[18:05] <skellat> Now I need to rebase my local copy of the branch
[18:05] <knome> :)
[18:05] <jjfrv8> Thank you!
[18:05] <knome> bzr pull
[18:05] <knome> jjfrv8, no problem!
[18:06] <knome> jjfrv8, also: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/saucy/revision/43 :)
[18:07] <knome> yay for fixing xfce bug 8284
[18:08] <skellat> And now that UNRELEASED is removed and saucy is in place we should start build for the dailies
[18:08] <knome> skellat, we should get it uploaded to saucy then :)
[18:09] <knome> skellat, want to work on sponsored uploads?
[18:09] <knome> i don't even know how much more we would need with this. it's pretty much ready for an upload.
[18:10] <skellat> Give pleia2 a chance to poke and prod as well
[18:10] <knome> sure
[18:10] <knome> i'll give her any chances she wants :P
[18:10] <knome> (and don't get me wrong...)
[18:10] <skellat> I'll shoot for Wednesday or Thursday to get it into sponsor pool perhaps
[18:10] <knome> ta
[18:11]  * skellat bugs out to go shopping for a lawn mower
[18:11] <knome> hf
[18:20] <OvenWerks> knome: the changes xubuntu has done with settings in the menu. Do you know if any of that style of things is being done upstream?
[18:20] <OvenWerks> (This is Len from studio)
[18:21] <knome> OvenWerks, i would believe not
[18:22] <OvenWerks> So they would still have both a settings manager and a settings menu?
[18:22] <knome> yes
[18:22] <OvenWerks> OK.
[18:22] <knome> it's still possible to have both in xubuntu as well..
[18:22] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:23] <OvenWerks> Right now not in studio
[18:23] <knome> we just thought it's cleaner if we organize things like this
[18:23] <OvenWerks> I agree
[18:24] <OvenWerks> I have set the settings menu not to show. Even if a new app shows up we haven't thought of.
[18:24]  * elfy still doesn't believe it should be described as customise desktop anymore though even if ochosi does :)
[18:24] <OvenWerks> User customization is a whole other topic :)
[18:25] <OvenWerks> We just found that having a settings manger for some settings and a menu for others (with some duplicats) was confusing
[18:25] <elfy> nothing to do with user customisation
[18:26] <elfy> at least my bug with the description :)
[18:26] <OvenWerks> I know, everything to do with what we were shipping though
[18:26] <knome> elfy, i agree that not all of the items are just "user" customization
[18:27] <OvenWerks> The whole category thing is less than perfect. We had a num,ber of settings things in other that belong in proper categories too.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> But then Studio has a mix of apps xfce, gnome and even KDE
[18:29] <elfy> I can see that getting a bit mixed up
[18:30] <OvenWerks> We also have an audio category in our settinsg manager
[21:35] <pleia2> knome: flyer drafts?
[21:35] <knome> pleia2, i have them, but i lack content
[21:35] <knome> pleia2, but yes, i should export them
[21:35] <knome> pleia2, do you want it in the wiki?
[21:35] <pleia2> I have a volunteer who keeps joining to help, was waiting on them :)
[21:35] <knome> awesome
[21:35] <pleia2> wiki is fine
[21:35] <knome> who is (s)he?
[21:35] <pleia2> amerigena
[21:36] <knome> ᐅᔅ, ᕆᒡᔅᑦ
[21:37] <pleia2> he posted to the list in march about helping, I keep missing him on irc but I can follow up in email
[21:37] <knome> UM!
[21:37] <knome> can somebody tell me
[21:37] <knome> why has the terminal started changing the input method on the fly?
[21:37] <knome> that comment was in inuktitut
[21:37] <knome> !
[21:38] <elfy> but what did it say ...
[21:39] <pleia2> oh right, I am taking the day off
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, from work or from foss? :P
[21:39] <lderan> have fun
[21:40] <knome> pleia2, have fun! :)
[21:40] <elfy> pleia2: have fun
[21:42] <knome> i need to organize my xubuntu-dirs
[22:14] <knome> pleia2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Flyers is updated


[15:43] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[15:47] <pleia2> doctormo: pong
[15:48] <doctormo> pleia2: I need your permission to publish a picture to my deviantArt scraps.
[15:49] <pleia2> doctormo: sure, what picture?
[15:50] <doctormo> pleia2: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/drawing-2011-09-19.png
[15:51] <pleia2> oh, is that a drawing of me?
[15:52] <doctormo> pleia2: Supposed to be, I'm doing character practice.
[15:52] <pleia2> yes, it's fine to publish it :)
[15:52] <pleia2> and cool
[15:54] <doctormo> http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Art-2011-09-19-259180430 Permanent Link
[15:55] <doctormo> Thanks for the nod :-)
[15:56] <pleia2> sure :)
[15:56] <doctormo> Yesterday was discord: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Art-2011-09-19-Discord-259140675 ;-)
[15:57] <pleia2> hehe
[15:59] <doctormo> how's Ubuntu doin'? I haven't heard hardly anything from the community for weeks.
[16:00] <pleia2> well enough, same old same old
[16:00] <pleia2> user days is coming up on saturday
[16:05] <doctormo> pleia2: Lots of user days and other such, but no formalisation of the materials and notes.
[16:06] <doctormo> Perhaps the next step is attracting people to convert the irc logs into reusable materials
[16:07] <pleia2> yeah, that would be nice
[16:19] <dinda1> doctormo: just the person i was looking for!
[16:19] <dinda1> doctormo: congratulations btw
[16:41] <pleia2> dinda1: since you own the nickname "dinda" you can stop someone else from using it with the nickserv ghost command :)
[16:41] <pleia2> /msg NickServ ghost dinda password
[16:41] <pleia2> then /nick dinda
[16:41] <pleia2> to reclaim it
[17:09] <dinda1> pleia2: it's still saying the nick is already in use
[17:10] <pleia2> yeah, you do the ghost command first
[17:10] <dinda1> pleia2: I did :(
[17:11] <pleia2> hm, maybe they reconnected immediately
[17:12] <dinda1> pleia2: I'm thinking this from the Rackspace setup they had me do. . .
[17:12] <dinda1> pleia2: setting irc up so I could scrollback even when signed off
[17:13] <pleia2> aah
[17:13] <pleia2> 10:10:39 [freenode] -!- dinda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:13] <pleia2> so that is you :)
[17:13] <dinda1> pleia2: apparetly - my old RS laptop
[17:14] <dinda1> pleia2: I haven't sent it back yet so maybe I'll fire it up and see if I can kill it there
[17:21] <dinda1> pleia2: well shoot,  I forgot the password to get onto that computer!
[17:23] <pleia2> doh :)
[17:25] <dinda1> pleia2: I guess I need to find someone at openstack to kick me off their server
[17:26] <pleia2> it's not really a problem, I was just trying to be helpful to get your nick back
[17:26] <dinda1> pleia2: I would like it back myself :)


[06:45] <parlos> Good Morning, my Maas (snap 3.0.0~rc1) has stopped handling PXE booting on the default VLAN. From the UI the dhcp service is 'green'.
[06:46] <parlos> What I can see from the MAAS config (UI), and the dhcpd.conf, is that the non-default VLANs that have 'maas-provided' as DHCP are present.
[15:41] <mup> Bug #1929437 opened: Node fails to commission, mounting squashfs fails <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1929437>
[15:50] <cih187> Hello, I'm not able to install centos on my servers, ubuntu works correctly. But centos boot setup doesn't seem to work correctly.
[15:53] <cih187> The server boots into ubuntu and the configuration does not throw any errors, but when it reboots, the server tries to boot on a centos network image that does not exist
[16:38] <mup> Bug # changed: 1774529, 1919001, 1922891, 1923268, 1925249, 1926140, 1926164, 1926171, 1926510, 1927036, 1927292, 1927340, 1927559, 1927657, 1928024, 1928098, 1928104, 1928107, 1928115, 1928224, 1928226, 1928235, 1928324


[12:22] <Burgundavia> hey rob^
[12:22] <rob^> hi Burgundavia
[12:22] <Burgundavia> rob^, I like the idea of StartingWithUbuntu
[12:23] <Burgundavia> did you a specific goal for it?
[12:23] <rob^> well mainly an advanced users guide, for those switching from another linux to Ubuntu
[12:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:23] <rob^> just a quick overview, but yeah it needs a bit more work
[12:23] <Burgundavia> do you want me to work on it?
[12:24] <rob^> just ran out of time
[12:24] <rob^> if you want, sure
[12:24] <Burgundavia> I will try over the next few weeks
[12:24] <rob^> I think it was SwitchingToUbuntu..
[12:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:24] <mdke> looks cool
[12:25] <mdke> synaptic is in the menu btw
[12:25] <Burgundavia> we might want to split it into FromAnotherDistro and FromWindows and FromOSX
[12:25] <Burgundavia> those were ideas for subpages
[12:25] <rob^> Burgundavia, yeah might be a good idea
[12:26] <Burgundavia> let me throw some ideas on those
[12:26] <rob^> sure
[12:26] <Burgundavia> not likely to happen before later next week
[12:26] <rob^> heh
[12:26] <Burgundavia> today is the last day at UBZ
[12:27] <Burgundavia> and I fly home tomorrow and start work again on monday
[12:27] <rob^> yay
[12:27] <Kinnison> Yep, Monday is the first day of LaunchpadBelowZero as it were :-)
[12:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:27] <Kinnison> Except we get to move up to floor two and have natural light
[12:27] <Burgundavia> you lucky bastard
[12:27] <mdke> cheating!
[12:27] <mdke> natural light is cheating
[12:27] <robitaille> who needs natural light?
[12:27] <rob^> natural what?
[12:28] <rob^> I've heard of that..
[12:28] <Kinnison> rob^: a specific subset of the electromagnetic radiation emitted from the big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky.
[12:28] <robitaille> Hopefully there is more natural light in Montreal than in Victoria these days...
[12:28] <Burgundavia> is quite cloudy today
[12:28] <Burgundavia> somewhat fuggy
[12:28] <rob^> theres a big ball of burning hydrogen in the sky? what sky?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> s/fuggy/foggy
[12:28] <mdke> rob^, btw, you have a "sudo" group on your system?
[12:28] <rob^> yes
[12:28] <mdke> mine doesn't
[12:28] <mdke> strange
[12:29] <rob^> you need to tick "show all groups/users"
[12:29] <Burgundavia> it is an admin group
[12:29] <mdke> i'm looking in /etc/passwd
[12:29] <mdke> mine is admin too
[12:29] <rob^> I've got admin and sudo
[12:29] <Burgundavia> it should be admin for all hoary/breezy
[12:30] <mdke> rob^, what did you install at?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> warty has the specific user in the sudo file
[12:30] <rob^> warty
[12:30] <mdke> ahhh
[12:30] <rob^> I haven't reinstalled in ages..
[12:31] <mdke> heh
[12:31] <mdke> strange that it didn't update that when you dist-upgraded
[12:31] <rob^> yeah
[12:31] <robitaille> mdke,  it was an issue ay back when.  I vaguely remember an email on the -devel list
[12:31] <rob^> well feel free to update it with whats current..
[12:32] <mdke> yeah i changed it
[12:32] <robitaille> something about it was too difficult to deal with while doing a dist-upgrade
[12:32] <Burgundavia> upgrading from release to release will not add any user to a new group
[12:32] <Burgundavia> which that change would require
[12:32] <Burgundavia> that is a policy decision
[12:33] <robitaille> I wonder  what else is "broken" on my desktop; I have been dist-upgrading it since a pre-release of Warty.
[12:35] <mdke> i was thinking
[12:36] <mdke> we don't use the ubuntu website enough on the wiki
[12:36] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:36] <rob^> yeah
[12:36] <Burgundavia> but the current ubuntu website is a godawful mess, to be honest
[12:36] <rob^> heh
[12:36] <rob^> just a bit
[12:36] <mdke> we're nearly finished moving it to moin :)
[12:36] <mdke> this would be a cool page to use
[12:37] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[12:37] <Burgundavia> rob^, it is not going to happen
[12:37] <rob^> maybe they are all still hung over..
[12:37] <Burgundavia> I spoke with several people about the diea
[12:37] <Burgundavia> jeff waugh, etc.
[12:37] <mdke> rob^, i think you can make it clearer that you are suggesting a very minor feature improvement, not a major one
[12:38] <rob^> quite frankly gai is a pain in the butt
[12:38] <mdke> yes, it is a poor app atm
[12:38] <rob^> mdke, I thought I'd done that
[12:38] <Burgundavia> it shows much promise, but unfortunately lacks promise
[12:38] <Burgundavia> s/promise/polish
[12:38] <mdke> i would say it has polish, but not promise :D
[12:39] <mdke> it really needs to find a way to make all packages easily available
[12:39] <mdke> without wasting users' time
[12:39] <rob^> yep
[12:39] <mdke> i'll comment on the thread i think
[12:39] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  so what they told you: the gai  we curentlt have is what we'll have for dapper?
[12:40] <robitaille> for anything else use synaptic?
[12:40] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[12:40] <rob^> I thought they want to kill synaptic?
[12:40] <Burgundavia> the repo dialog is going to get a redesign
[12:41] <robitaille> we're getting mixed message it seems....
[12:41] <Burgundavia> synaptic maybe be hidden, but still installed
[12:41] <mdke> it's early days, we'll get a clarification I'm sure
[12:41] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
[12:42] <Burgundavia> there is no spec for the kind of improvements we are looking for in gai
[12:42] <Burgundavia> thus it is not going to happen
[12:42] <mdke> specs are god!
[12:43] <mdke> presumably a spec won't be necessary for every bugfix?
[12:43] <Burgundavia> no, but that is fairly major changes
[12:43] <robitaille> so another god:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDesktopPlan   "Top panel icons   We will remove the Help icon, but keep the web browser and email icons."
[12:43] <Burgundavia> the non-app stuff
[12:43] <robitaille> so the help icon is going away from the panel
[12:43] <mdke> robitaille, i think that's fair, people probably won't use that icon
[12:43] <Burgundavia> robitaille, yes, it is
[12:43] <LaserJock> rob^: I talked to Unfrgiven about the packaging guide and he will have a svn repo up shortly
[12:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, it should go into ours
[12:44] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I spoke with MOTU's about it
[12:44] <robitaille> the help icon is generally the first one that I remove on a new install.  It's nice to see that I was right :)
[12:44] <LaserJock> yes, but once he has a svn repo can't we just take if from there and add it to the docteam one?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, why not just push it directly into ours?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> that way we never deal with the two repos issue
[12:45] <mdke> +1
[12:45] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I don't know he just said that he would have get back to me soon. Maybe if he heard it from you.
[12:45] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I just pinged him
[12:47] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: seems he has been idle on irc for 2 days. Email seemed to work today pretty well.
[12:47] <rob^> LaserJock, great!
[12:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:47] <LaserJock> this is what he told me:
[12:47] <LaserJock> I currently do not have an svn repository but will set one up shortly.
[12:47] <LaserJock> > > Can I get back to you in the next few days with the details?
[12:48] <mdke> best thing is to ask him to push it to one of us to insert in the docteam repo
[12:48] <Burgundavia> can you email him back and say hey, just give us the file and we will push it into our repo
[12:48] <rob^> ymm yeah just use ours :)
[12:48] <Burgundavia> then we can build it and get it onto help.ubuntu.com
[12:48] <rob^> I wonder if gai is done in python? If it is I'm half tempted to do the change myself and submit a patch..
[12:48] <Burgundavia> yes, it is written in python
[12:49] <Burgundavia> and patches might be accepted
[12:51] <rob^> hmm]
[12:56] <jdub> `
[12:56] <jdub> ````````quebecistani keyboard hell!
[12:57] <Burgundavia> jdub, you having fun with your brandnew laptop?
[12:57] <Kinnison> jdub: poor you
[01:01] <robitaille> jdub,  french-canadian keyboard problem?  :)
[01:01] <jdub> oh man
[01:01] <jdub> this is so much crack :)
[01:01] <robitaille> I always refused to get one of these keyboard...and always stayed with us-keyboard style.
[01:02] <robitaille> but I have been know to swear a few time at my UK keyboard on my canonical laptop
[01:02] <robitaille> s/know/known
[08:31] <rob^> wow, the dg is so pretty
[08:31] <highvoltage> dg?
[08:31] <rob^> desktop guide
[08:32] <highvoltage> where is it? i'd like to do an adaptation for Edubuntu.
[08:33] <robitaille> wow...Corey is now a movie star   http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/
[08:33] <rob^> our svn repo under /ubuntu/desktopguide/C/
[08:35] <rob^> heh
[08:36] <Madpilot> robitaille: we'll have to give him a hard time about that when he gets back...
[08:37] <rob^> could someone else try making the dg and see if it all works?
[08:38] <rob^> mainly I want to make sure the xrefs work after I xincluded everything :)
[08:38] <rob^> it seems to work here..
[08:42] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RideTheWildElmo        I guess we cannot delete since jdub link to it from  his blog :)
[08:43] <Madpilot> um...??
[08:43] <rob^> just ask him about it :)
[08:44] <Madpilot> if you haven't already, grab Mark Shuttleworth's video from that Fanpeople page - it's amusing...
[08:46] <highvoltage> i'm downloading all of them now... :)
[08:46] <rob^> when did mark grow his hair?
[08:46] <Madpilot> "My name is Mark, and I'm just some geek from South Africa..."
[08:47] <highvoltage> i think since he came back from space :)
[08:47] <rob^> heh
[08:47] <rob^> most likely
[08:50] <robitaille> there was an article last fall in a sa online magazine commenting on his various air styles.
[08:50] <robitaille> s/air/hair
[08:51] <highvoltage> there was an article in a national newspaper as well.
[08:51] <highvoltage> I think it was in Die Burger
[08:51] <highvoltage> and the Argus too.
[08:52] <robitaille> one of the first google link about his hair bring this:  http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/lca-miniconfs/lca-miniconfs-016.html
[08:54] <Madpilot> ha
[11:26] <mdke> rob^, yo?
[01:25] <jsgotangco> lol someone almost made a wiki boo boo on the FrontPage
[02:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco
[02:03] <jsgotangco> hi mr afrikaans
[02:07] <mdke> crazy random deletion of the frontpage ;)
[02:08] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[02:10] <mdke> hello
[02:33] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco, sorry, got distracted here.
[02:33] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:34] <highvoltage> mhuhahahahahaha!
[02:34] <highvoltage> we'll never get kharma this cheap again.
[02:34] <highvoltage> we might as well take advantage of it.
[02:34] <jsgotangco> i got up to 517 in just 2 hours of lp work in rosetta
[02:35] <highvoltage> wow.
[02:36] <jsgotangco> it seems to give 1 karma point for every line
[02:37] <highvoltage> yep, i think they'll bring that down though, like 1 point for every 10 translations.
[02:38] <highvoltage> i think 1 for each line is a bit easy.
[02:38] <highvoltage> if you look how little bug management currently counts in comparison.
[02:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: when are you starting with your new job again?
[02:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: tommorow
[02:40] <jsgotangco> not expecting much on the first day though, just a couple of hi and hellos
[02:41] <highvoltage> nice.
[02:41] <jsgotangco> I'll see how it pans out in a few days :)
[02:42] <mdke> cool
[02:42] <mdke> what sort of job?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> well its linux admin stuff for an au-based MVNO
[02:46] <mdke> great
[02:47] <jsgotangco> i accepted the job because it'll be my first exporsure to carrier-grade linux
[02:47] <mdke> MVNO?
[02:47] <jsgotangco> mdke: think ringtones, games, logos, etc. services for mobile carriers
[02:47] <mdke> aha
[02:47] <mdke> cool
[02:48] <jsgotangco> i dunno what to expect at the moment, my boss looks cool though (Indian)
[02:50] <mdke> well you'll have fun I'm sure
[02:51] <jsgotangco> mdke: thanks i do hope so too (and fix this career of mine)
[02:52] <mdke> :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> at least i got a linux-related job finally
[02:54] <highvoltage> :)
[02:54] <highvoltage> i quit my last computer-related jobs, yelling i'd rather clean toilets for a living than work with computers again.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> is there such thing as karma ranking in lp?
[02:55] <highvoltage> s/jobs/job
[02:55] <jsgotangco> let's say top 10
[02:55] <highvoltage> there's a top5 on the front page
[02:55] <highvoltage> so we'll have to wait until we have 10000+ karma
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i don't think we'll get past jordi
[02:56] <highvoltage> jordi has been idle the past while. someone mentioned that he's not feeling to well.
[02:57] <highvoltage> but i think you're right, we won't get past him.
[02:57] <highvoltage> 20000 is totally doable, though.
[02:58] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: our next project should be publishing an LP tips & tricks and blackhat guide hehe
[02:58] <highvoltage> hehe
[02:58] <jsgotangco> "how to get instant karma without really trying"
[02:59] <highvoltage> no, we're too 1337 for that :)
[03:11] <jsgotangco> hi bhuvan
[03:11] <bhuvan> hello
[03:14] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: ?
[03:17] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: nice one on serverguide
[03:18] <bhuvan> ok
[03:19] <bhuvan> jsgotangco, hope you meant w.u.c/ServerGuide
[03:19] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: yes
[03:29] <jsgotangco> good night
[03:32] <bhuvan> rob^: ping


[01:00] <twm> Hey, this cookbook recipe <
[01:01] <twm> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#stop-a-job-from-running-if-a-pre-start-condition-fails> should note that it's incompatible with setuid.
[01:02] <twm> If someone could update that, it would be great.  The failure mode is rather confusing; I get this message in /var/log/upstart/{foo}.log:
[01:02] <twm> stop: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.161" (uid=121 pid=17016 comm="stop ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Instance" member="Stop" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")
[01:05] <twm> While I'm here, it's obnoxious that init-checkconf complains about the file extension, because that makes it useless for checking the syntax of debian/{package}.upstart jobs.
[01:07] <twm> fg
[07:50] <JanC> twm: I assume that's because it will look for both a *.conf and an *.override, but maybe a parameter to ignore the extension would be useful...
[07:54] <JanC> (assuming initctl wouldn't complain about it?)


[01:39] <termitor> hello
[01:40] <termitor> i'm have some problem on my wifi ,
[01:40] <termitor> ath5k drivers , rs2413
[01:41] <IdleOne> termitor: /join #ubuntu+1 for support.
[01:41] <termitor> oki ,
[06:46] <ara> good morning
[06:49] <mantiena> hi
[09:39] <pratik> :-D
[09:48] <ara> morning pratik :)
[11:29] <davmor2> morning all
[12:30] <Voffko> hi 2 all
[12:32] <Voffko> Problem: The touchpad does not work in netbook Acer One 532h. Sometimes it works hotkey to activate the touchpad, but it still does not work
[12:33] <Voffko> Ubuntu 10.04 RC
[12:35] <Voffko> can you help me?
[12:37] <davmor2> Voffko: best bet will be #ubuntu+1
[12:38] <davmor2> that is the general help for lucid
[12:38] <davmor2> this channel is setup to co-ordinate testing
[12:38] <Voffko> thx a lot
[13:22] <slangasek> first candidate images posted for final
[13:22] <slangasek> (alternates only, so far)
[13:27]  * ara syncs
[13:27] <slangasek> and... disabled again, due to a partman bug from cjwatson
[13:29] <ara> :D
[13:47] <davmor2> .1's already :D
[14:29] <slangasek> a few more builds coming up now
[17:06] <slangasek> and... another round of respins; sorry, folks
[17:06] <slangasek> should be getting some final respins going after the next publisher cycle, in an hour
[18:37] <slangasek> respins starting
[21:10] <jaminc> anyone here successfully installed using the 10.04 server 64-bit RC iso?
[21:15] <jaminc> my md5sum checks out, 41eed7d87aab38a71dfe2560fff666b9  ubuntu-10.04-rc-server-amd64.iso.  However, the installation keeps failing on a dependency problem for the linux-server package
[21:22] <jaminc> Looking at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com, I can't seem to find a test case for a full server install from the ISO, is this not being tested?
[21:24] <sbeattie> jaminc: it's been successfully tested in the past; I'm not sure why the build's aren't listed on the iso tracker now, but it may be due to that breakage being known.
[21:25] <jaminc> sbeattie, can't seem to find any bug report on it... was going to file a full testing report but can't seem to find any way to do that either
[21:27] <jaminc> suggestions on where to file the bug report?
[21:27] <sbeattie> jaminc: right, but given that everything that's listed that's not an upgrade is currently marked as a rebuild, I suspect it's known at this point.
[21:29] <jaminc> hmmm the only rebuilds I see are for the alternate ISOs, granted I'm very new to that site and simply may not be familiar with navigating it
[21:29] <sbeattie> jaminc: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[21:30] <jaminc> right, but even in there, there isn't a test case (rebuild or otherwise) for the server other than upgrade
[21:31] <sbeattie> jaminc: right, that's why I said I'm not sure why that build (or ubuntu desktop) is not listed.
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Usually, if the tracker doesn't list it yet, it is because the image is not available for testing yet
[21:37] <jaminc> very odd then, because the image is definitely available for download...
[21:37] <charlie-tca> So are the alternate and desktop images, but they are not the ones for testing yet
[21:37] <jaminc> guess I'll test the upgrade route then... =(
[21:37] <charlie-tca> They are being rebuilt again.
[21:47] <charlie-tca> hmm, the mixer and network-manager applet both disappear from panel when upgrading Ubuntu and Xubuntu 8.04
[21:53] <sbeattie> charlie-tca: even after rebooting?
[21:53] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:54] <charlie-tca> And I don't know how to put network manager back. I found the volume control
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Trying a 9.10 upgrade to see if it happens there too
[21:55] <persia> charlie-tca: Check to see if nm-applet is running: it may need a different autostart hint or something.
[21:56] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:56] <charlie-tca> full name?
[21:57] <charlie-tca> (network-manager-applet is no longer valid)
[21:57] <charlie-tca> NetworkManager is running
[21:57] <persia> "nm-applet"
[21:58] <charlie-tca>  nm-applet is running
[21:58] <persia> And it doesn't appear in the Notification area?
[21:58] <persia> Do you have a Notification Area applet on your panel?
[21:59] <persia> (mixer going away is intentional, if a change, I believe network manager is supposed to go away with maverick, from my interpretation of various information feeds)
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Is that the one with Chat Accounts... Boradcast Accounts... etc?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> It can't be added, even though it is listed in 'Add to panel'
[22:01] <charlie-tca> It appears to be running, too
[22:01] <persia> No.  That's the one with absolutely nothing by default.
[22:02] <persia> The Notification Area is different than the Indicator applet.
[22:03] <charlie-tca> I do show 'notification-area-applet' running
[22:04] <persia> Odd.  That's where nm-applet sticks itself.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Well, both are running, but nm-applet is not visible
[22:06] <charlie-tca> ubuntu no longer a volume control?
[22:10] <persia> charlie-tca: Uses indicator-sound
[22:10] <charlie-tca> but there is no visible control for it?
[22:13] <persia> indicator-sound embeds itself in indicator-applet, and is a visible control.
[22:37] <charlie-tca> jaminc, server tests are up on the tracker now - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[22:37] <jaminc> charlie-tca, thank you... was there a new build?
[22:37] <charlie-tca> 2010-04-26.1
[22:38] <jaminc> that would be a yes... wonder if that'll invalidate all the torrents
[22:39] <jaminc> definitely a different MD5SUM
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I will finish upgrade tests here