[13:04] <spionlala> how can i change the apt-get autoremove behaviour? it always wants to remove some programs i still need only because those programs arent needed by any other packages...
[13:04] <DIFH-iceroot> BZH: yes
[13:04] <beli> jrib: i am a console guy....and thats not what i want...i want to start the xapp on BOTH sides
[13:04] <bn43> marcel1607: thanks I will try that
[13:04] <corey> In JBOD if a disk fails do you lose all data?
[13:04] <daftykins> spionlala, is it not just an option to avoid running autoremove?
[13:04] <Myrtti> Damir: you're not asking a very specific question, which might be the reason why you're not getting any answers
[13:04] <jrib> spionlala: well that's what autoremove means...  Install the packages explicitly
[13:04] <beli> s/start/show up/
[13:04] <Incarus> spionlala, jaunty or intrepid?
[13:04] <m3gaman> ls
[13:04] <spionlala> intrepid
[13:05] <Damir> Ok I have no MAX, AVG and MIN values in the database
[13:05] <corey> In JBOD if a disk fails do you lose all data?
[13:05] <spionlala> jrib: so they wont get autoremoved if i install those packages again explicitly?
[13:05] <Incarus> spionlala, and kde4, or?
[13:05] <lesshaste> Scooma, sorry I popped out
[13:05] <daftykins> yes corey
[13:05] <lfaraone> Incarus: hm? the x86 package won't install...
[13:05] <lesshaste> Scooma, did I miss something?
[13:05] <spionlala> no not kde4
[13:05] <spionlala> incarus
[13:05] <Damir> But I put data in the database
[13:05] <Damir> every 60 seconds
[13:05] <MauricioR> hi, i have a friend who has windows vista and only thing out of what he showed i could not do was that he could shut up any application he chose with the mixer
[13:05] <jrib> beli: that's the only way I know.  You can run whatever it is that remote desktop is in a shell if you want
[13:05] <daftykins> corey JBOD = just a bunch of disks, there is nothing RAID working at all, a disc is just used directly via the controller
[13:05] <Incarus> spionlala, k
[13:05] <jrib> spionlala: yes
[13:05] <Damir> I can output TOTAL but nothing else
[13:05] <MauricioR> can i do the same with ubuntu also
[13:05] <BZH> DIFH-iceroot are connected via usb or LAN
[13:05] <spionlala> jrib: trying
[13:05] <Incarus> lfaraone, do you use firefox?
[13:05] <lfaraone> MauricioR: pulseaudio can do that.
[13:05] <lfaraone> Incarus: Yes.
[13:06] <Damir> Maybe the rrd database is not correct
[13:06] <beli> jrib: i am familiar with that...but i want the app be seen on local and remote machine...
[13:06] <jrib> beli: isn't that what remote desktop does?
[13:06] <Incarus> lfaraone, can you paste firefox output?
[13:06] <spionlala> jrib: umm do i have to uninstall them before i reinstall again?
[13:06] <lfaraone> Incarus: will do, it'll take a moment.
[13:06] <corey> I am trying to further shrink my Vista partition but, GParted doesnt give any options when I click the partition. Any help?
[13:06] <jrib> spionlala: no, I don't think so
[13:06] <beli> jrib: yes, but not via X and ssh+X11 fwd...its using vnc
[13:06] <lfaraone> beli: you want to use remote desktop.
[13:07] <jrib> beli: right
[13:07] <Incarus> lfaraone, k
[13:07] <Myrtti> !enter | Damir
[13:07] <lfaraone> beli: you *can't* do what you want with X+ssh.
[13:07] <spionlala> jrib: ok, it didnt work, still wants to remove paman, paprefs, etc....
[13:07] <daftykins> corey, windows vista is capable of NTFS resizing in the "disk management" console. boot into vista and run "diskmgmt.msc" and look about resizing. remember to defragment first
[13:07] <beli> lfaraone: i am not sure about that...
[13:07] <Damir> Ok sorry, here is my database: http://paste-it.net/public/vca4a59/
[13:07] <BZH> !internet
[13:07] <BZH> !enternet
[13:08] <BZH> !cable
[13:08] <Slart> BZH: what are you looking for?
[13:08] <corey> daftykins: I am fairly certain you cant repartition a partition while it is in use.
[13:08] <benmachine> hi, can anyone tell me if apt-get/aptitude can be made to use an HTTP proxy?
[13:08] <lfaraone> beli: ok, but you're asking us. We answered; anything else and you'll just have to google or write it yourself ;)
[13:08] <BZH> how to connect to internet with cable internet Slart
[13:08] <jrib> spionlala: pastebin
[13:08] <Damir> I will put data every minute (with a shell script) like this: rrdtool update stats.rrd N:123:432
[13:08] <Slart> BZH: and what do you mean by "cable internet" ?
[13:08] <daftykins> corey, i think vista has features to resize during reboot or something similar, just go and check
[13:08] <beli> lfaraone: you can do amazing stuff with X....i guess it is possible just  by setting some DO
[13:08] <beli> lfaraone: DISPLAY vars and using Xtools...
[13:09] <Incarus> BZH, try "sudo dhclient3"
[13:09] <BZH> Slart dunno its not adsl its cable :)
[13:09] <Slart> BZH: you have a little box connected to something that is not a phone line, right?
[13:09] <beli> lfaraone: you can also run 2 or more X-servers on your machine....most ppl dont know about that...
[13:09] <vigo> Where is the info bot channel?
[13:09] <Raj_> Is there anyplace, I can see my computer's performance???like task manager ???
[13:09] <corey> daftykins: It does not.
[13:09] <BZH> right Slart do i need drivers and s****
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> Raj_: top
[13:09] <Slart> BZH: and from this box you have a regular network cable to your computer?
[13:09] <BZH> Slart cuz i am use to pppoeconf :P
[13:09] <daftykins> just let ubuntu setup take care of the resize then corey
[13:09] <spionlala> jrib: wait, now it worked, took some time obvioulsy, thx :)
[13:10] <daftykins> or defrag like i said
[13:10] <BZH> yes Slart
[13:10] <corey> Raj_: Yes, system>admin>system monitor
[13:10] <zerlor> hello
[13:10] <Slart> BZH: have you used this setup with windows?
[13:10] <Raj_> Thanks buddy
[13:10] <corey> daftykins: I am already in ubuntu. I do not want to reinstall.
[13:10] <Damir> Myrtti: Can You help me?
[13:11] <BZH> Slart no i just switched to cable and i dont know how to connect
[13:11] <BZH> Slart it was easy wiht pppoe :P
[13:11] <Raj_> Is binary files can change system's settings???
[13:11] <Slart> BZH: do you know if you have to go to a certain webpage to type in a password or something like that=
[13:11] <Raj_> Are*
[13:12] <daftykins> BZH if you have a cable modem, with a second network interface plugged into it, you should be able to just enable DHCP on that interface and you'll get an IP and settings to connect
[13:12] <jrib> Raj_: what?
[13:12] <vigo> BZH: You are using DHCP now, it is static.
[13:12] <Incarus> Raj_, in super user mode executable files can change system settings
[13:12] <zerlor> can i install gnome and kde on the same machine and then choose the one i will use for the session?
[13:12] <Slart> zerlor: yes
[13:12] <vigo> Yeah, what daftykins said
[13:12] <Raj_> ok
[13:12] <BZH> hmm vigo , Slart daftykins i will try every thing you told me :D now i will go home and try to connect :P
[13:13] <Damir> I don't know why rrdtool doesn't store the AVERAGE values
[13:13] <Myrtti> Damir: I'm trying to help you to ask the correct questions, I can't help you with your problem though
[13:13] <zerlor> can i just install it and the dispaly manager will give me the choice?
[13:14] <Slart> zerlor: at the login screen there usually is a "sessions" button
[13:14] <Slart> zerlor: it depends a bit on what theme you use..
[13:14] <zerlor> hmm okey and how is the kde paket called i have to install?
[13:15] <Slart> zerlor: kde-desktop I think
[13:15] <Slart> zerlor: or-.. kubuntu-desktop
[13:15] <LakesProse> in a ftp daemon, what is the advantage of having virtual users ?
[13:15] <futuh> why dpkg-reconfigure is just only setting keyboard, not resolution?
[13:15] <daftykins> futuh, because X.org does gfx settings automatically now, doesn't really use the file
[13:16] <daftykins> futuh, you can still force settings by entering them in there
[13:16] <Slart> LakesProse: not having to create real users for your system and then have to disable them for everything but ftp
[13:16] <zerlor> okey i will install it now.. and then try if it works
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> !vnc
[13:16] <Scix> a quic question: Is rc.local runed before or after network is up?
[13:16] <lfaraone> beli: if you already know that, why are you asking?
[13:16] <Raj_> I see that in KMplayer xine effects sound quality. It reduce players volume????
[13:16] <beli> lfaraone: cause i dont remember howto do it?!?!
[13:16] <Raj_> or up??
[13:16] <lfaraone> Incarus, ActionParsnip turns out it was a extention problem, sorry to bother you guys.
[13:16] <futuh> ok, but that isn't workig after reconfigure :o
[13:16] <wers> how do I create mac-readable symlinks on ubuntu?
[13:16] <beli> i am not asking for shit
, l
, k
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> lfaraone: no worries dude
[13:17] <Myrtti> beli: mind your language
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> lfaraone: as long as you reach the goal its fine :)
[13:17] <Incarus> futuh, whats problem?
[13:17] <beli> Myrtti: tell lfaraone not to start flaming and i will mind
[13:17] <wers> ikonia: the reboot didnt work. my sudo account is still broken. hal is still broken :(
[13:17] <Incarus> beli, whats the problem?
[13:17] <LakesProse> Slart: but doesn't a real local user have to exist in order to have 1 or more virtual ones ?
[13:17] <futuh> Incarus, i try to get 720p picture to videoprojector and it puts automatically 420i
[13:18] <beli> wers: what is the problem with the links?
[13:18] <bipi> hello
[13:18] <lfaraone> beli: I'm not flaming...
[13:18] <Incarus> futuh, k, dont know
[13:18] <plus91> hello people:D
[13:18] <Slart> LakesProse: it depends on the ftp server.. but in general it would be a good idea
[13:18] <bipi> hello people
[13:18] <plus91> ciao
[13:18] <DJones>  /whois bipi
[13:18] <pdlnhrd> I have a ATI Technologies Inc RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 XT] video card and I am try to set  up dual head but after every restart it goes back into clone mode.... does anyone know how I can fix this  (i can set it to the correct dual head display but than asks me to reboot)
[13:18] <sides> I have a problem with my xserver-org, my xorg.conf is okay but the resolution is still 600x800
[13:18] <Damir> Ok let's try again. I have a rrd Database (here You can find how I have created it: http://paste-it.net/public/vca4a59/) Ok what I wanna do? I grep every minute two values and I put it on the Database: rrdtool update stats.rrd N:123:432. The values will increase, so I chose the COUNTER Datasource type. OK now problem but If I wanna make the graph..I will get no lines, no MAXIMUM, MINIMUM and...
[13:18] <beli> lfaraone: i told that i want to use console, i told that i want to use X and i told that i dont want to use vnc.....and you ask me why i am asking? i guess you think for fun...
[13:18] <bipi> British petroliam
[13:18] <Damir> ...AVG values. Only the TOTAL value. And I don't know why?!
[13:18] <LakesProse> Slart: ok so you must have a real user anyways
[13:19] <bipi> bye
[13:19] <Slart> LakesProse: or use an already existing user
, did you try to configure your xorg.conf file
[13:19] <lfaraone> beli: Ok, is there a reason you don't want to use VNC?
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> !xinerama | pdlnhrd
[13:19] <usuario> ola
[13:19] <Incarus> sides, can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:19] <Slart> LakesProse: are you trying to decide on what ftp server to use?
[13:19] <sides> Incarus sec
[13:19] <Raj_> How to join other channels in Xchat, there is not seeing smashthestack.org channel, How to add it in Xchat in Ubuntu???????
[13:19] <LakesProse> Slart: no, I'm already using vsfrpd
[13:20] <Slart> LakesProse: oh, ok
[13:20] <LakesProse> Slart: I'm just trying to decide wheter implementing virtual users is worth it
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> Raj_: /j #<channel name>
[13:20] <Incarus> Raj_, just join with /join
[13:20] <pdlnhrd> Incarus: I used the catalyst tool to set up the dual displays... i was hoping to avoid editing xorg.cof
[13:20] <ikonia> wers: it's a livecd - you can't change a live
[13:20] <lfaraone> beli: X does not support what you are asking for as far as I am aware.
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> Raj_: e.g. /j #xubuntu
[13:20] <wers> ikonia: how?
[13:20] <indian> oh sorry its server
[13:20] <ikonia> wers: you can't change a livecd - it's read only
[13:20] <beli> lfaraone: yes, i dont want to use additional software...and some clients work on other operating systems....i want to use ssh2 client like putty with X11 fwd to do the job...
[13:21] <ikonia> wers: if you're livecd is broken, you must have a broken livecd - as you can't change a livecd, it's read only
[13:21] <sides> Incarus http://pastebin.com/m3d90863b
[13:21] <beli> lfaraone: the x.org channel is quiet atm....i asked there already
[13:21] <Raj_> sorry I want to join server
[13:21] <lfaraone> beli: hehe... ah, I figured it out:
[13:21] <Slart> LakesProse: I use virtual users for my ftp server.. I just find it easier to have two separate user databases... just makes me worry less
[13:21] <Pici> Raj_: /connect servername
[13:21] <vigo> Can I put Xubuntu current and Ubuntu8.04 on the same HDD? I wish to try Xubuntu or Xfce and Edbuntu later on, will this cause conflicts?
[13:21] <wers> ikonia: i meant, i'm on a live cd now because my root account in my ubuntu install is broken. i changed the root uid to 80 in my ubuntu install. how do i fix it on the live cd?
[13:22] <lfaraone> beli: enable VNC on the server, SSH into the server with X forwarding, and then use vinagre on the server (which spawns a window on the client)
[13:22] <Slart> LakesProse: and I know I can just uninstall the ftp server and those usernames are gone
[13:22] <ikonia> wers: how did you change the uid to 80 ?
[13:22] <ikonia> wers: and why did you do that on your install ?
[13:22] <lfaraone> beli: that way you don't need any additional client software.
[13:22] <LakesProse> Slart: that's true, true
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> vigo: sure: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:22] <beli> lfaraone: vinagre...ok reading...thanks
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> vigo: before you log in, change the session to whichever you want
[13:23] <sides> Incarus u with me ?
[13:23] <LakesProse> Slart: so there isn't really a security advantage in having virtual users, it seems more like hygiene
[13:23] <Slart> LakesProse: but on the other hand.. if I cared about those users I guess it would be easier to create system accounts.. that way I could change ftp server without having to recreate the accounts
[13:23] <disappearedng> any1 here can recommend a good easy to use FTP server?
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> vigo: in xfce you will be able to execute and use gnome based apps also
[13:23] <m3gaman> !ftp
[13:23] <Incarus> sides, line 2050
[13:23] <vigo> ActionPasnip: Thank you
[13:23] <Incarus> sides, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[13:23] <m3gaman> !ftpd
[13:23] <LakesProse> disappearedng: I use fireFTP gladly
[13:23] <Slart> LakesProse: well.. you'll have to trust the ftp server to do authentication and storing the password hashes in a sane way...
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> vigo: you could pile on the DEs all you want and use all the apps, just depends on HDD space
[13:23] <lfaraone> beli: vinagre is ubuntu's VNC client, it's quite nice
[13:23] <sides> Incarus-  i just reinstalled the driver and its still not working
[13:24] <erbi> vNd
[13:24] <disappearedng> For SERVER?
[13:24] <erbi> vMp
[13:24] <Silkjc> I just let Rhythmbox auto detect and download audio codecs. Sound was working, but after reboot it seems to just come out garbled..is this a common problem?
[13:24] <m3gaman> sLc
[13:24] <beli> lfaraone: that might work, isnt there a vnc client that is console controlable?
[13:24] <Russian_punks> hello people
[13:24] <wers> ikonia: I ran usermod -u 80 root
[13:24] <LakesProse> Slart: hmm, then I'd rather stay with real local users
[13:24] <ikonia> wers: why ?
[13:24] <Incarus> sides, your xserver is also to old (X.Org X Server <IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:24] <lfaraone> beli: i'm sure.
[13:24] <vigo> ActionParsnip: about 180g on first, 80 on slave.
[13:24] <LakesProse> Slart: I mean , as long as I chroot them and have a list, I think I should be okay
[13:24] <Scooma> pdlnhrd, try the instructions on   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=301941&highlight=ATI+x800XL
[13:24] <LakesProse> Slart: what ftp server do you use, good sir ?
[13:24] <Slart> LakesProse: yes, sure.. both ways are safe if you know what you're doing..
[13:24] <lfaraone> beli: what do you mean by "console controllable", as in has a CLI as well as a GUI?
[13:25] <sides> Incarus-  im allways up to date with the packges
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> vigo: also depends on needs and your standpoint on bloat
[13:25] <Scooma> wers,  so you did it eh?
[13:25] <Incarus> sides, 1.5.99 is the newest
[13:25] <beli> lfaraone: yes....CLI, i dont care about GUI...but if it has also ;)
[13:25] <LakesProse> Slart: well I don't know per sé, but I get that chroots make home dir  look like / and the list is a lit :P
[13:25] <LakesProse> list*
[13:25] <sides> Incarus-  k .. i'll update both
[13:25] <Incarus> sides, you should upgrade to the latest xserver and it should work
[13:26] <sides> Incarus-  k .. thx
[13:26] <Incarus> sides, np
[13:26] <vigo> ActionParsnip: Just playing and testing to see which I will present to my brother , he is a high school band director.
[13:26] <ikonia> wers: what made you do that ?
[13:26] <wers> ikonia and Scooma: to have the same root account in ubuntu and os x
[13:26] <ArcSighter> ikonia: what about our tests on ubuntu, you left me hanging dude ;)
[13:26] <beli> lfaraone: i will saerch for a client then, thanks for your ideas
[13:26] <LakesProse> it's really frustrating, some options for vsftpd.cong are only online, some are online in the man page and I just can't find anymore
[13:26] <Slart> LakesProse: no need for the sir, we're all dogs here on the internet =).. and I use pure-ftp for my small server
[13:26] <ikonia> ArcSighter: ahh had to drive home
[13:26] <ikonia> ArcSighter: do you have the vmstat output still ?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> vigo: try lxde too, i think its awesome
[13:26] <disappearedng> Any1 here have a good FTP server to recommend?
[13:26] <lfaraone> beli: well, if it doesn't have a GUI how do you expect to be able to see what's happening on the desktop? :)
[13:27] <ikonia> wers: osX uses 0 uid for a root account
[13:27] <Scooma> ikonia, i suggested that if I was him I wouldn't do it...
[13:27] <LakesProse> Slart: how's that working out ?
[13:27] <lfaraone> beli: if you're just looking to share a console session there is GNU screen.
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> disappearedng: proftpd vsftpd are two
[13:27] <vigo> >>>taking notes
[13:27] <wers> ikonia: aw. so i broke my root and didnt get anything out of it.. aw
[13:27] <Russian_punks> girls to me)
[13:27] <deany> how can i set an applications icon (menu entry) to open on desktop 2 and not always on first visible virtual desktop
[13:27] <Slart> LakesProse: nicely for those once a month file transfers
[13:28] <Slart> LakesProse: I've never used it for anything really serious
[13:28] <Scooma> wers ubuntu default is zero too --     root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[13:28] <ikonia> wers: I don't understand why as the mac OS root account has a UID of 0 to, so I don't know what made you do 80 ?
[13:28] <beli> lfaraone: nah needs to be X....you can start X stuff from console...you dont need a gui to start windows' and apps
[13:28] <LakesProse> Slart: good to know :)
[13:29] <Incarus> wers, are you in a live linux?
[13:29] <vigo> ActionParsnip: Is lxde more graphical and media and which has the lightest load as this will be run on Desktop and Laptop.
[13:29] <lfaraone> wers: the only thing that makes root special is its UID.
[13:29] <Scooma> Incarus,  he's now running a livecd
[13:29] <Incarus> Scooma, k
[13:29] <lfaraone> wers: as in if I made an account named "defjoasndoasnd" and gave it UID 0 it would have all of root's powers.
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> vigo: its very lightweight and snappy but still looks fairly decent
[13:30] <ikonia> wers: from the livecd mount your root file system on your disk and change /etc/passwd to change the uid from 80 ro 08
[13:30] <ikonia> to 0
[13:30] <JarG0n> What does it mean if a service is running on <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[13:30] <ikonia> wers: I still don't understand why you changed it to 80
[13:30] <Incarus> wers, take a look at the sudoers file
[13:30] <wers> Scooma, Incarus, and lfaraone: i guess, i fixed it. i changed it in etc/root and etc/passwd :D
[13:30] <ikonia> JarG0n: all iP
[13:30] <wers> is that right?
[13:30] <coreyman1> hmm
[13:30] <Slart> JarG0n: that it listens to all local ips?
[13:30] <ikonia> wers: etc/root is not needed
[13:30] <JarG0n> should rpc.statd  do that?
[13:30] <ikonia> wers: that's not even a file
[13:30] <JarG0n> and rpc.mountd ?
[13:31] <vigo> ActionParsnip: Ok, let me get all those, and give them a try.
[13:31] <Scooma> wers,  is /etc/root on your Mac?
[13:31] <ikonia> JarG0n: thats just a rpc service
[13:31] <wers> ikonia: sorry. i meant etc/group
[13:31] <Incarus> wers, k, but check your /etc/sudoers file
[13:31] <ikonia> wers: you don't have to change /etc/group
[13:31] <chomwitt> hi. does  seahorse-daemon  and gnome-keyring-daemon do the same thing?
[13:31] <ikonia> wers: /etc/group doesn't contain uid info
[13:31] <Slart> JarG0n: no idea
[13:31] <JarG0n> ok, thx :)
[13:32] <wers> ikonia: okay. but is changing 80 to 0 in /etc/passwd enough?
[13:32] <ikonia> yes
[13:32] <lfaraone> JarG0n: it's on all addresses
[13:32] <lfaraone> JarG0n: *bound to all
[13:32] <wers> ikonia: thanks. rebooting now :D
[13:32] <Scooma> wers are you logging in as root?
[13:33] <wers> Scooma: nope
[13:33] <Scooma> wers okay :)
[13:33] <gencha> i'm on 8.04.1 and am trying to enable mod_logio for apache2 but i can neither find the module nor fine it in the apt repositories
[13:34] <gencha> is it deprecated or something? or am i looking in the wrong spots?
[13:34] <lfaraone> gencha: then maybe it's not packaged.
[13:34] <lfaraone> gencha: was it included in other versions of ubuntu?
[13:34] <Jackaruto> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an emachine however, the CD seems to know I'm not installing an MS product and won't boot, any MS product I put in the drive will boot from CD but my know good ubuntu CD will not?
[13:34] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: did you change the BIOS settings to ALWAYS boot from CD?
[13:34] <gencha> lfaraone: can't say, this is the first i'm using
[13:35] <Jackaruto> yes
[13:35] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: no idea then.
[13:35] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: that *should* be illegal, but it might not be in your area :)
[13:35] <Jackaruto> is it possible to restice a CD boot up to an MS product
[13:35] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: sure.
[13:35] <ArcSighter> hello all
[13:36] <lfaraone> gencha: looks like it's just unpackaged. What exactly does this mod_ do? (is there anything packaged that does the same thing?)
[13:36] <Incarus> JAckaruto, wow, which country?
[13:36] <Jackaruto> US
[13:36] <gencha> "This module provides the logging of input and output number of bytes received/sent per request."
[13:36] <ArcSighter> ikonia: yesterday you were guiding to me to do some tests about my intrepid slowdown issues, are you there?
[13:36] <Jackaruto> I've got 12 PC I've buitl myself all running nix
[13:36] <Jackaruto> never had a problem
[13:36] <gencha> well it's needed to use a certain feature in mod_security, thus i was looking for it
[13:36] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: odd.
[13:36] <Jackaruto> tell my buddy brings me this dman emachine
[13:36] <lfaraone> gencha: hm...
[13:37] <Scooma> gencha, i think there's a debian rpm package... also you might need to alien it to convert it?
[13:37] <zerlor> slart: i have installed the kde enviroment
[13:37] <zerlor> now how can i start it?
[13:37] <ikonia> ArcSighter: yes, I asked you 10 minutes ago if you had the vmstat output I asked for yesterday
[13:37] <Slart> zerlor: log out and search for the session button
[13:37] <gencha> well i don't really rely on the feature but it would have been nice to have. thanks :)
[13:37] <zerlor> okey and can i start it in a virutal consol?
[13:37] <Travis-42> after I change an Authorization (system->administration->authorizations), do I have to do anything to make it go into effect (E.g. reboot)?
[13:37] <zerlor> then i could start kde and gnome
[13:37] <lfaraone> gencha: well, you have two options: a) install it from source B) package it yourself and maintain it in Ubuntu so others can benefit from your work :)
[13:38] <Slart> zerlor: let me see if I can find a screenshot for you... here is one.. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/twiki/bin/view/CSDocs/GnomeDesktopFAQs
[13:38] <gencha> lfaraone: good point ;)
[13:38] <Slart> zerlor: the first picture even has a nice big black arrow pointing it out =)
[13:38] <zerlor> yes i see thanks:)
[13:39] <zerlor> i will try it ;)
[13:39] <Kuukkeli^> Hello, i have a problem with my Linux ubuntu, i started using it again after about 2 years. Well this time i got ATI drivers and its Proprietary, how could i fix this dilemma?
[13:39] <zerlor> be back in some minutes=)
[13:39] <Slart> zerlor: if it isn't there you might have to enable it in system, administration, login window
[13:39] <ArcSighter> ikonia: wait
[13:39] <lfaraone> gencha: if you do decide to package it, #ubuntu-motu will be more than glad to help you out. (although I recommend pushing your package through Debian so that both distros will benefit)
[13:39] <Incarus> JAckaruto, and whats about usb keys?
[13:40] <Jackaruto> ?
[13:40] <Scooma> Travis-42, you needed to change something in there to make something work, yes?  so try to do it again and if it works, no. if it doesn't, maybe you need to restart your shell (or logout/login)
[13:40] <Incarus> JAckaruto, bootable usb key
[13:40] <erbi> shuttutututufuckfuieeeup
[13:40] <lfaraone> erbi: ...?
[13:40] <Jackaruto> hum? maybe, I haven't any flash drives
[13:40] <Slart> erbi: yes, you're keyboard works.. no, that wasn't a good thing to test it with
[13:40] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: does windows boot currently?
[13:40] <JarG0n> I have a service running on a port that is not recognized via netstat -apn.  I can connect to it via telnet, but don't know what commands to issue.  Can anyone help?
[13:40] <Jackaruto> that a things I'm always going to get aournd to buying but never do
[13:41] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: you can use unetbootin to do a netinstall.
[13:41] <Jackaruto> yes
[13:41] <Incarus> Jackaruto, have you got a floppy drive?
[13:41] <Jackaruto> no
[13:41] <Scooma> Kuukkeli^, what's the problem with the driver? you don't want it?
[13:41] <Jackaruto> I guess I could add one
[13:41] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[13:41] <Incarus> Jackaruto, and windows is working?
[13:41] <Kuukkeli^> Could anyone help me with my ATI driver being Proprietary problem?
, sure, whats the problem?
[13:41] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: that requires only a net connection, it installs via the LiveCD or alternate net install. (the latter is faster)
[13:42] <Jackaruto> yes I know it, never used it before
[13:42] <Incarus> Jackaruto, wubi is also good
[13:42] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: I use it all the time, it's very easy
[13:42] <Kuukkeli^> Incarus, well the ubuntu isn't working smoothly at all and i think the reason is because my ATI drivers are proprietary.
[13:42] <lfaraone> Incarus: but that's not a good idea for stability :)
[13:42] <lfaraone> Incarus: moreover, wubi still is dependent on windows
[13:42] <Incarus> lfaraone, k
[13:42] <Scooma> Kuukkeli^,  read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=517225  first and follow the instructions
[13:42] <zerlor> slart it works!
[13:42] <zerlor> thank you
[13:43] <Kuukkeli^> Scooma, Thank you!
[13:43] <Jackaruto> you all have gave me so good ideas thanks
[13:43] <Slart> zerlor: you're welcome, enjoy your new kde desktop =)
[13:43] <Scooma> Kuukkeli^, make sure you read it all first
[13:43] <Kuukkeli^> Scooma, woah! Nice article about ati Pro_PIE_tary
, paste output of "glxgears"
[13:43] <Kuukkeli^> Thank you
[13:43] <zerlor> slart: i enjoy both:) ... but one more question.. can i start a grapic enviroment form a virtual console like tty1?
[13:43] <jaspal4805> hi :)
[13:43] <Incarus> zerlor, yes
[13:43] <Kuukkeli^> I'll read the forum thread properly, maybe 2 times
[13:44] <zerlor> how this work?
[13:44] <jaspal4805> i need some help :(
[13:44] <JarG0n> What does it mean when using netstat -p, when a service is listed as - ?
[13:44] <lfaraone> Jackaruto: no problme
[13:44] <Slart> zerlor: hmm.. I have no idea really..
[13:44] <Incarus> !ask | jaspal4805
[13:44] <tifrugonelpc> Ciao
[13:44] <tifrugonelpc> a tutti
[13:44] <Pici> !it | TheAngel
[13:45] <Pici> TheAngel: sorry, meant that for tifrugonelpc
[13:45] <TheAngel> damn my wifi sux
[13:45] <Pici> JarG0n: Use sudo
[13:45] <TheAngel> np
[13:45] <JarG0n> Pici> I did, actually.
[13:45] <JarG0n> Pici> Still have the -
[13:45] <jaspal4805> i have an Acer aspire 4710z laptop. i installed ubuntu 8.10 yesterday
[13:45] <Scooma> JarG0n, it just means that it couldn't identify the application using it - possibly it's because it belongs to a service started by root?
[13:45] <zerlor> slart: not so important wil find it out;) because then its possible to have 2 grapic enviroment at the same time.. like kde and gnome... ah how can i update this kde verison? just apt-get update and upgrade?
[13:46] <Pici> JarG0n: I only get - in PID/program if I do not run it with sudo.
[13:46] <tifrugonelpc> sapreste dirmi se per caso avete problemi a scaricare la posta con thunderbird
[13:46] <JediMaster> random thought =): don't you hate it when you scroll through past commands, hitting the up arrow, so many times that you could have typed the same command in half the amount of keypresses?
[13:46] <digifor> I am trying to "ask [my] favourite burning software to burn “rEFIt-0.12.cdr” as a “ISO image”
[13:46] <Kuukkeli^> Scooma, now i see why you said the read it properly, AdrianP forgot to add that xorg thingie
[13:46] <Slart> zerlor: I think you can run two x-servers if you want.. using different desktop managers..
[13:46] <tifrugonelpc> io sono 2 giorni che non riesco a scaricare la posta con tin
[13:46] <Kuukkeli^> So shall i use that command?
[13:46] <jaspal4805> i have an Acer aspire 4710z laptop. i installed ubuntu 8.10 yesterday. i cant get wifi working on it. the button for wifi is not working .
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> tifrugonelpc: italy?
[13:46] <digifor> as per http://refit.sourceforge.net/doc/c1s5_burning.html
[13:46] <Slart> zerlor: it will of course use a bit more memory and such..
[13:46] <Pici> !it | tifrugonelpc
[13:46] <Scooma> Kuukkeli^,  :)
[13:46] <tifrugonelpc> yes Italy
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> jaspal4805: use lspci to identify the wifi chip
[13:46] <JarG0n> Scooma> shouldn't sudo enable netstat to ID the service ?
, yes
[13:46] <tifrugonelpc> sorry
[13:47] <digifor> but k3b and brassero both tell me it is not an iso image
[13:47] <ArcSighter> ikonia: the vmstat output http://paste.ubuntu.com/129768/
[13:47] <jaspal4805> the drivers for aethros are installed
[13:47] <Kuukkeli^> Scooma, you're a lifesaver, althought im not into men but i would kiss you! =)
[13:47] <digifor> Should I rename the .cdr to .iso?
[13:47]  * Scooma blushes
[13:47] <Incarus> jaspal4805, ask in one line
[13:47] <tifrugonelpc> ok thx
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> digifor: what does the command   file   say the .cdr is?
[13:48] <tifrugonelpc> #ubuntu-it
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> jaspal4805: are they modprobed?
[13:48] <zerlor> slart: memory is not the problem =) okey i will be back later! thank you for your help perhaps i wil be soon back and ask some questions ;)
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> jaspal4805: sudo lshw -C network will show you whats what
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> jaspal4805: are you sure its an atheros?
[13:48] <jaspal4805> i just need to know weather acer_acpi is already there with ubuntu 8.10??
[13:48] <Slart> zerlor: you're welcome
[13:48] <Scooma> JarG0n you might want to read up on what daemons use certain ports?
[13:48] <zerlor> thanks  bye!
[13:49] <JarG0n> Scooma> ok, thx
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> jaspal4805: yes its in the current kernel. didnt used to be (man that was hell)
[13:49] <Slart> jaspal4805: I've got an acer laptop with 8.10, is there anything I can check for you?
[13:49] <digifor> looking at properties it seems to tell me it is a "corel draw" file???
[13:49] <ArcSighter> ikonia: is the one you requested , right?
[13:49] <ikonia> ArcSighter: you've not shown me one yet
[13:50] <Kuukkeli^> Scooma, shall i now reboot after the command? =)
[13:50] <jaspal4805> ya slart. my wifi buttin on 4710z is not working. drivers for aethros chip are already installed
[13:50] <ikonia> ArcSighter: I saw one yesterday, and then asked for another one
[13:50] <ikonia> ArcSighter: I need the other one
[13:50] <usr13> Slart: jaspal4805 Compare to see if you have same wifi cards:  lspci
[13:50] <Kuukkeli^> It has Removed and processed the thingie.
[13:50] <Kuukkeli^> I shall try my luck by rebooting ;D
[13:50]  * Slart gets his laptop
[13:50] <ArcSighter> ikonia: I just did: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129768/
[13:50] <yudy> hi
[13:51] <gogul2k> hm openbox seems to be ignoring my autostart.sh file =/
[13:51] <Kuukkeli^> I'll come back if i get more troubles.
[13:51] <Scooma> Kuukkeli^, you should just need to restart your shell... or logout/login again
[13:51] <Rabbitbunny> Anybody installed WoW? I'm getting extreme input lag and it's acting like it thinks it's full screen although it's only 800x600 of my 1600x1200.
[13:51] <ikonia> ArcSighter: thats of a "busy" or "slow" box, yes ?
[13:51] <Kuukkeli^> Rabbitbunny, did you tinker with the config list yet?
[13:51] <Rabbitbunny> Kuukkeli^: No. Hints?
[13:51] <usr13> jaspal4805: What does lspci say?  See your wifi card listed there?
[13:51] <Kuukkeli^> I remember something about changing some things in the config list..
[13:51] <Rabbitbunny> Hmm.
[13:52] <Kuukkeli^> Wait a sec, i'll link you it before reboot. =)
[13:52] <Rabbitbunny> o0o0o
[13:52] <Kuukkeli^> rabbitbunny, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[13:52] <ArcSighter> ikonia: yes I've opened the apps that normally make it slow and after some time the system became sluggish
[13:52] <Rabbitbunny> Kuukkeli^: Thanks.
[13:52] <Kuukkeli^> I sure hope that helps you.
[13:52] <Rabbitbunny> me too.
[13:52] <ikonia> ArcSighter: ok, let me compare and have a think
[13:52] <Kuukkeli^> Althought i hate WoW. =D
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> Kuukkeli^:  +1
[13:53] <Kuukkeli^> Same boring old crap expansion after expansion
[13:53] <jaspal4805> yupp my card is listed there in  lspci
[13:53] <disappearedng> any 1 here used gproftpd before? I installed it and I can't find gproftpd in /usr/bin or in the toolbar
[13:53] <Rabbitbunny> yes, over and over./me like the data aquisition.
[13:53] <Kuukkeli^> =D
[13:53] <Kuukkeli^> Well, rebootan pc
[13:53] <Slart> jaspal4805: lspci reports Intel corporation P
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> jaspal4805: ok now you can websearch for that and you can find out how to set it up
[13:53] <ArcSighter> ikonia: ok pal I'm waiting...
[13:54] <Slart> jaspal4805: lspci reports Intel corporation Pro/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan]...
[13:54] <jaspal4805> my drivers are already there in the system only i cant get my wifi turn on from a dedicated button my keyboard
[13:55] <thread2fork> hi, can anyone help me with a wubi and raid1 problem ... i tried out wubi even though i know fake-raids are not the best thing to try out and now it seems wubi only manages to boot into ubunto 2 out of 10 times
[13:55] <Spectros>  hi, I have a problem, if I open any audio file with audacious, it tells me, my kernel of GTK crashed... how can I solve it?
[13:56] <MasterZ> Hey guys, I'm having a bit of trouble mountaing a USB hard drive on ubuntu, any suggestions?
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> Spectros: change from pulse to alsa, or alsa to pulse
[13:56] <klaas> hey, can I use the alternate install cd to setup a server environment?
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> !sound
[13:56] <MasterZ> !usb
[13:56] <usr13> jaspal4805: http://pastebin.ca/1358173
[13:57] <usr13> jaspal4805: But first, use comand   lspci
[13:57] <Spectros> ActionParsnip: I don't have problem with sound but with audacious AND GTK :/
[13:57] <siriusnova> sawp
[13:57] <Scooma> MasterZ, you might want to do it manually?
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> Spectros: maybe try reinstalling the app, or read   dmesg | tail just after it crashes
[13:57] <MasterZ> yes, how?
[13:58] <MasterZ> I plugged in 3 hard drives, do not see them in df -h, but I see them show up in lsusb
[13:58] <MasterZ> what is the next step?
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: do they show up in sudo parted -l
[13:58] <Scooma> MasterZ, pop the drive in, wait a second and then run    dmesg | tail    to see what hardware device it mounted it, then   sudo mount /dev/sdx /media/disk      (making sure that you've mkdir media/disk  so it exists)
[13:59] <Spectros> thx
[13:59] <usr13> jaspal4805: lspci |grep Wireless
[13:59] <lenni_-_> i run 8.04 but would like just one package from the latest 8.10 repo without updating the entire server. Can i do that?
[13:59] <genii> MasterZ: You are likely seeing in lsusb the usb controller of what the drives are attached to
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> usr13: if you use grep -i   it makes it case insensitive ;)
[13:59] <Scooma> MasterZ,  oh are they FAT or ext?
[13:59] <jaspal48051> afetr lspci i get  03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[13:59] <MasterZ> they are unformatted, brand new just plugged them in
[13:59] <usr13> jaspal4805: lspci |grep ireless
[14:00] <genii> MasterZ: Does: sudo fdisk -l                      show them?
[14:00] <Scooma> MasterZ, ah all good then
[14:00] <usr13> ActionParsnip: Thanks for the tip, should have done that.
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> jaspal48051: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[14:00] <MasterZ> yes
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> jaspal48051: can't say fairer than that
[14:00] <MasterZ> Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>016 bytes
[14:00] <MasterZ> Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[14:00] <usr13> jaspal4805: Show us what you get back from the command    lspci |grep Wireless
[14:00] <MasterZ> it says that for all 3
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: ah, not so good, do they have data on?
[14:01] <usr13> jaspal4805: Show us what you get back from the command    lspci |grep -i Wireless
[14:01] <kumar123> hello everybody
[14:01] <MasterZ> nope, they are brand new drives
[14:01] <jaspal48051> after lspci |grep ireless i just get the prompt again
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: great then you need to partition and format them
[14:01] <daftykins> it's highly unlikely to be called wireless
[14:01] <Veinor> fdisk format reinstall
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: gksudo gparted
[14:01] <Veinor> doo-dah, doo-dah
[14:02] <MasterZ> okay, so /dev/sdb is the hardware name? can I use mdadm to create a raid by using that device name, right?
[14:02] <Scooma> MasterZ,  yeah run the partition editor
[14:02] <MasterZ> trying to setup a raid5
[14:02] <jaspal48051> lspci |grep wireless i get the prompt again
[14:02] <usr13> jaspal4805: Just try  lspci  and see if you see any lines that indicate a wifi type of device
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: you can use that gui app to manage them if you wish or use sudo fdisk if yo uprefer text based goodness
[14:02] <MasterZ> just didn't know about fdisk to show the device name :D
[14:02] <MasterZ> I'm ssh'ed into the box
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: /dev/sdb is a disk you can feel and touch, /dev/sdb1 will be the first partition on the disk
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: every day is a school day
[14:03] <MasterZ> true
[14:03] <MasterZ> :D
[14:03] <Scooma> MasterZ,  do they show up in   blkid  ?
[14:03] <MasterZ> no they don't Scooma
[14:03] <MasterZ> okay, let me use this info I have so far to see if I can get mdadm to work
[14:04] <Scooma> MasterZ,  yeah just wondering ;)
[14:05] <lesshaste> I get a lot of messages like (firefox:26389): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[14:05] <lesshaste> any ideas about that?
[14:05] <usr13> jaspal4805: If you do not see the wifi device listed in the output of  lspci  you may need to check bios settings to see if it is dissabled.  You might also have a defective device - one that no longer works.  But at any rate, you need to identify it.  Try command:  iwconfig
[14:06] <Rabbitbunny> roksox?
[14:07] <MasterZ> hmmm, another problem... I have the ubuntu box on the network, I am curreontly remoted into it from my mac, but the ubuntu box cannot see the internet
[14:07] <MauricioR> to program in ubuntu which is better, java or c#? i want to learn a computer language
[14:07] <thread2fork> that depends on what you are planing to code
[14:07] <Scooma> lesshaste, yeah that's a flash problem
[14:07] <MauricioR> thank you my friend, muchos gracias
[14:07] <usr13> MasterZ: Can the mac "see the internet"?
[14:07] <thread2fork> i personally would start with c#
[14:08] <MasterZ> i'm on it now talking to you :)
[14:08] <Scooma> lesshaste, remember how the leftover socket file might be audio/flash related?
[14:08] <lesshaste> Scooma, :(  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/221668 says disable libflashsupport
[14:08] <lesshaste> Scooma, I don't really understand what that means
[14:08] <usr13> MasterZ: Then the ubuntu box should also have access to internet
[14:08] <pepe21> somebody can give me a url warez for downloading... games ?
[14:08] <Scooma> lesshaste, maybe switch to  swfdec?
[14:08] <MasterZ> usr13: the ubuntu box can ping my router
[14:09] <usr13> MasterZ: On the ubuntu box issue command    route -n
[14:09] <Scooma> lesshaste, basically your firfox/flash aren't playing nicely
[14:09] <Scooma> *firefox
[14:09] <lesshaste> Scooma, oh... :(
[14:09] <MasterZ> got 4 lines
[14:09] <MasterZ> Kernel IP routing table
[14:09] <MasterZ> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[14:09] <MasterZ> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[14:09] <MasterZ> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     U     1000   0        0 eth0
[14:09] <MasterZ> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eth0
[14:09] <FloodBot2> MasterZ: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:09] <MasterZ> 5 lines :p
[14:10] <Scooma> lesshaste,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swfdec
[14:10] <MasterZ> oops
[14:10] <Scooma> MasterZ,  sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[14:10] <usr13> MasterZ: If  route -n  returns the router's  IP address as the default gateway, then look at /etc/resolv.conf file and see if you have nameserver line:  cat /etc/resolv.conf
[14:10] <lesshaste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888 is informative
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: please use pastebin or pastebinit in future
[14:11] <Scooma> MasterZ,   then use     pastebinit -i /etc/group   as an example
[14:11] <MasterZ> resolve.conf only says: # Generated by NetworkManager
[14:12] <ubilicios> Hey all.  I am having a problem.  I am trying to get to a website that is dropping packets.  Now on my windows machine it dosen't drop packets and it connects no probs
[14:12] <usr13> MasterZ: (Don't flood, just send pertainent info.) If your router's IP address is <IP_ADDRESS>  you should have access to internet.  Check to see if you are resolving domain names:  host av.com
[14:12] <ubilicios> Anything I can do to help my ubuntu client?
[14:12] <MasterZ> host av.com is timing out I think
[14:13] <lesshaste> can you get flash 10 for hardy?
[14:13] <MasterZ> yp, timed out
[14:13] <MasterZ> yup*
[14:13] <QQQ> hey ho, is there anyone who can tell me how to install applications to an external drive? (otherwise my EEE-PCs storage kills me one day)
[14:13] <usr13> MasterZ: That is the problem, resolv.conf does not contain nameserver address.  Either your router's DHCP server failed to send it, or Ubuntu's dhcp client timed out before receiving it.
[14:13] <MasterZ> how do I fix that?
[14:13] <Scooma> MasterZ,       yeah you need to have this line in your resolv.conf      nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:14] <Slart> ubilicios: what kind of network connection are you using? wired? wireless?
[14:14] <ubilicios> Slart: Wired.
[14:14] <rrofl> wow big group
[14:15] <MasterZ> bingo, Thanks Scooma
[14:15] <rrofl> can anyone tell me if a desktop comes packaged with the server (8-04) installation please?
[14:15] <usr13> MasterZ: You can manually add a nameserver like this: cat >> /etc/resolv.conf     and then on the next line type:  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  and then do: Ctrl-D (hold Ctrl key and hit letter d)
[14:15] <lesshaste> I thought it was in hardy backports
[14:15] <lesshaste> but it isn't listed
[14:15] <MasterZ> I keep forgeting about the cat >> shortcut.. I always vi it lol
[14:15] <iixzzzzz>  im using konversation client how can  display my systeminfo ?
[14:15] <usr13> MasterZ: sudo cat >> /etc/reslov.conf
[14:16] <MasterZ> yeah, already done
[14:16] <Slart> ubilicios: and you only get packet loss when connecting to a specific site? or all the time?
[14:16] <rbowes> s/reslov/resolv/ :)
[14:16] <ubilicios> just to the site.
[14:16] <usr13> MasterZ: Try to reslove domanin name:  host av.com
[14:16] <Scooma> yay reslov!
[14:16] <MasterZ> yeah, it works now usr13
[14:16] <Slart> ubilicios: but it works ok if you try it from a windows machine
[14:16] <ubilicios> I have been working with the tech that controls the router in front of the server.
[14:16] <iixzzzzz>  im using konversation client how can  display my systeminfo ?
[14:16] <rrofl> hello there, can i get a little help for a wee problem please?
[14:16] <ubilicios> Slart:  Yes
[14:17] <ubilicios> I can give you the site and see if you can get to it
[14:17] <usr13> MasterZ: Good,  :)
[14:17] <Slart> ubilicios: that is very strange.... yea sure
[14:17] <ubilicios> http://ps.posen.k12.mi.us/admin
[14:17] <iixzzzzz> anyone ?
[14:17] <corey> Some of my movies are not loud enough. Is there a way to use software to make it louder?
[14:17] <Scooma> iixzzzzz,  what's the konversation client?
[14:17] <telematica> hello
[14:17] <iixzzzzz> Scooma its  irc client ?
[14:17] <usr13> corey: alsamixer
[14:17] <MasterZ> uhm... sudo apt-get install mdadm     that should install mdadm, right? I'm getting a "configuring citadel-server" menu right now
[14:17] <QQQ> is my patience worth it (or should I resend my question or search for help somewhere else?)
[14:18] <Scooma> iixzzzzz, when you say system info do you mean    uname -a    ?
[14:18] <rrofl> all i wanna do is run a desktop from the server version i just installed
[14:18] <Scooma> QQQ what's your q'n?
[14:18] <QQQ> how to install applications to an external drive?
[14:18] <MasterZ> thanks for the help everyone :)
[14:18] <corey> usr13: have you used it?
[14:18] <Scooma> rrofl, startx ?
[14:18] <iixzzzzz> Scooma yes alot with umm space mem g/card etc etc
[14:18] <daftykins> rrofl, that defeats the purpose of installing the server version somewhat, but you can "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" on server
[14:19] <Scooma> iixzzzzz, ah you want to look in /proc then
[14:19] <Slart> ubilicios: no response when I tried it from my browser.. how do you determine that it is packet loss you're experiencing?
[14:19] <usr13> corey: Yes
[14:19] <rrofl> scooma, oh yeah ill start with installing xinit :)
[14:19] <MasterZ> hmmm, question, I'm setting up 3 1TB drives in a raid 5 configuration... should I make them all 1 big partition or make a few smaller ones?
[14:19] <ubilicios> Slart:  I ran wireshark
[14:19] <mikevankuik> how can I auto login a user? I only have assess via ssh... I know its posible just not sure how to do it again...
[14:19] <Scooma> iixzzzzz,  ie -  cat /proc/meminfo
[14:19] <rrofl> daftykins, no it doesn't, i wanted to make sure I have all default server packages installed and get nothing left out
[14:19] <iixzzzzz> Scooma how do i spam it in a channel like my system stat ?
[14:19] <PerryArmstrong> hey can anyone help me... whenever i set my system in hibernate, i get to see some erorr messages that the activation has failed
[14:19] <ubilicios> Slart:  Plus if you let it go for a bit it will slowly start to load it
[14:19] <yudy> how I can see  broken packages in ubuntu 8.10?
[14:19] <rrofl> however, i would like to occasionally use some apps on it that run in desktop
[14:19] <Scooma> QQQ, you mean like a usb drive?
[14:20] <usr13> QQQ: dpkg -i /media/disk/where/it/is
[14:20] <QQQ> Scooma: yes, usb hd
[14:20] <Scooma> usr13,  :)
[14:20] <Slart> ubilicios: hmm.. booting a vm with windows .. then it works.. but slowly as you say
[14:20] <PerryArmstrong> and when i come back from hibernation i get a message that the hibernation has failed
[14:20] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone solve this problem
[14:20] <ubilicios> No, its a full windows client
[14:20] <QQQ> usr13 thx, and I'll try that and will see If get it started :)
[14:21] <Scooma> yudy,   dpkg --audit
[14:21] <ubilicios> No it will slowly load up in ubuntu
[14:21] <iixzzzzz> Scooma im saying is there are plugin. where it can display my systeminfo in a channel
[14:21] <ubilicios> But in windows its just like any other web site.  Fast loading.
[14:21] <Slart> ubilicios: ok.. perhaps I didn't let it run for a long enough time
[14:21] <iixzzzzz> huh ?
[14:22] <iixzzzzz> SCooma..
[14:22] <rrofl> does installing xinit install the default GNOME (ubuntu) desktop ?
[14:22] <Scooma> iixzzzzz,  oh you mean to show off? i don't know sorry. maybe someone else? usr13   how can iixzzzzz dump his system info into a channel?
[14:22] <jrib> rrofl: no...
[14:22] <iixzzzzz> yea show off.
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[14:22] <rrofl> jrib, i can start by installing xinit? or I dont need xinit at all if I am going the gnome route?
[14:22] <ubilicios> It really has me puzzled and I really don't know how to word a google search for it
[14:22] <rrofl> aha ok thanks actionparsnip
[14:22] <QQQ> other Question: Is there any strict and good firewall  that askes for any programm if it may connect?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: you should have that any way
[14:23] <jrib> rrofl: just install ubuntu-desktop as someone else suggested
[14:23] <iixzzzzz> no luck ?
[14:23] <werner-xfs> hi, i changed my / and /home from ext2 to xfs and now it seems i lost all setuid bits... any help?
[14:23] <rrofl> where is it installed actionparsnip so i can check?
[14:23] <corey> usr13: alsamixergui?
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: that will repair your desktop o default settings
[14:23] <Scooma> ubilicios, more memory maybe?
[14:23] <usr13> iixzzzzz: You need something like pastebin?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: its installed all over the place, its not like windows where there is a program files folder
[14:24] <rrofl> i have server version, am booting into command line
[14:24] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong, there are problems with hibernation
[14:24] <rrofl> no i mean what location is the launcher
[14:24] <ubilicios> Scooma:  Its not a memory issue
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: the stuff apps use is scattered so it can be reused
[14:24] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong, it's a bug for quite a lot of systems still
[14:24] <usr13> corey: No, just alsamixer
[14:24] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; you mean there's no solution yet?
[14:24] <Slart> ubilicios: well.. I doubt it's something in ubuntu.. I would check the web site more carefully.. perhaps it's really really unoptimized for anything non-IE
[14:24] <rrofl> how can i launch gnome from command line?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: launcher for what, can you please type my name at the start of lines if you are addressing me
[14:24] <Scooma> ubilicios, i mean allocate more memory to the vm to make it run faster
[14:24] <b4cchus> gdm?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: startx
[14:24] <Slart> ubilicios: but I'm just guessing.. I don't see anything suspicious
[14:24] <rrofl> actionparsnip ok will do
[14:24] <usr13> rrofl: gdm
[14:25] <ubilicios> Slart:  I know its not Ubuntu, my fedora client does it as well
[14:25] <rrofl> actionparsnip when i run startx it says i need to install xinit
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: did you install ubuntu-server?
[14:25] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong, no there are solutions but ... quite a few hardware clients don't work... it's something to be addressed eventually...
[14:25] <rrofl> usr13 gdm is not found
[14:25] <ubilicios> Scooma:  VM is not even being used
[14:25] <werner-xfs> will i lose setuid by using cp and mv ?
[14:25] <rrofl> actionparsnip yes SERVER
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: why?
[14:25] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; ohh...thank you for the info
[14:25] <rrofl> actionparsnip cos i will be mainly using as a server, so didnt want to miss out on any server packages
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: you are clearly a new ubuntu and/or linux user
[14:26] <PKodon> Okay, i can set Kopete up to join channels when I connect to an IRC account, can I do that in Pidgin?
[14:26] <rrofl> actionparsnip not new to linux
[14:26] <rrofl> actionparsnip just new to ubuntu
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: you can install any and all server packkages on the desktop
[14:26] <rrofl> actionparsnip i thought it would save time to have it configure the server for me
[14:26] <Scooma> ubilicios,  sorry - I confused you with someone else
[14:26] <rrofl> actionparsnip i learned my lesson now lol
[14:26]  * ScottG489 is away: Gone away for now
[14:26] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong, but don't give up on ubuntu just because of that...
[14:27] <iixzzzzz> usr13 no not like pastebin. i wanna dump my systeminfo in a channel like are mirc addon.
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: its just got no x server as a default to save usless junk like x apps being installed by default as well as PAE for ram management
[14:27] <iixzzzzz> show off etc.
[14:27] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; so how save this error message....i need to see it without hibernating
[14:27] <dradus> Hi
[14:27] <dradus> wsup? :D
[14:27] <rrofl> actionparsnip: so is it now possible for me to install x server without the useless junk?
[14:27] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; no way...i have been using ubuntu ince the past 8 months...and i am quite fascinated....
[14:28] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; and i luv ubuntu..
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> rrofl: you can but it can get messy, also the server doesnt come with sound stuffs which will be nicely setup in the desktop for you
[14:28] <iixzzzzz> usr13 ?
[14:28] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; i am trying to expertize myself on this distro
[14:28] <MasterZ> thanks for all the help everyone, my drives are formatting so I'm going to go get some sleep.. I'm sure 3 TB will not be a quick format job lol
[14:28] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong, it should be in one of your logs?
[14:28] <usr13> iixzzzzz: Yes, I see what you mean now, but don't know how to implement such a task.
[14:29] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong, all errors are logged in /var/log
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> MasterZ: can be if yuo use multiple systems ;)
[14:29] <rrofl> actionparsnip: ok, thanks, i really only wanted the LAMP but the equipment will be put to better use if I use the sound + media stuff too... so I'm gonna dload and install the desktop verion :)
[14:29] <iixzzzzz> usr13 i heard its infobash -v
[14:29] <rrofl> actionparsnip: thanks for your time :)
[14:29] <Scooma> PerryArmstrong,  you can access the logs (more easily) via  System -> Administration -> System Log
[14:30]  * Scooma is afk
[14:31] <PerryArmstrong> Scooma; i just checked it and i found that though i hibernated just a few minutes ago...it shows me as ubuntu restart
[14:31] <usr13> iixzzzzz: No help for infobash
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> !away | evanderv
[14:36] <donjuanluis07> hi guys need some help for a non-newbie
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> !ask | donjuanluis07
[14:37] <donjuanluis07> i am using HPLIP Fax Utility Address book and I cant get a vcf file to import to the address book
[14:38] <fxr> hullo, i am getting warnings/errors when apt0get installing nvidia-cg Toolkit --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/129784/ is anyone able to confirm they are just warnings in there or are they something to worry about?
[14:38] <usr13> donjuanluis07: Maybe the format is wrong?
[14:38] <tyler_d> how do you spawn a new terminal session from within a terminal?
[14:38] <kriss3d> uhmm whats the config file for kdm ? and where is it located ?
[14:39] <usr13> Ctrl-n
[14:39] <usr13> tyler_d: Ctrl-n
[14:39] <axisys> is there a ubuntu/deb pkg for linux citrix client http://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?downloadID=3323&productID=-1
[14:39] <mikerose357> Hi I've noticed directly editing xorg doesn't work like it did in older versions of fedora specifically adding the right resolution to metamodes doesn't work
[14:39] <tyler_d> usr13: using a command
[14:39] <skyred> How can I find "your network address in reverse notation" for DNS BIND9 setup?
[14:39] <mikerose357> using nvidias gui tool doesn't list any number of valid resolutions as usable so I'm stuck with a low resolution
[14:39] <usr13> tyler_d: gnome-terminal
[14:40] <eternal_p> hey all..is there an easy way in getting the new 64-bit java module loaded into firefox..I seem to be stuck with iceTea
[14:40] <tyler_d> usr13: and a default terminal session? ie. xterm?
[14:40] <apostle> what is a good PCI Express Network 1 Gigabit Card
[14:41] <usr13> tyler_d: Just give the command?  Not sure what  you mean?
[14:41] <erUSUL> apostle: i have a realtek 8169 and works ok
[14:41] <hatter243> !32
[14:41] <hatter243> !32bit
[14:41] <tyler_d> usr13: nope that worked.... ty
[14:41] <usr13> tyler_d: Ok, good....
[14:41] <mikerose357> anyone know how you are supposed to manually configure xorg in ubuntu 8.10?
[14:42] <apostle> erUSUL, it is PCI Express 1 gigabit ?
[14:42] <erUSUL> mikerose357: manually? you mean editting xorg.conf ?
[14:42] <usr13> mikerose357: xorgconfig -X
[14:42] <donjuanluis07> usr13, how can I reformat the vcf file?  I converted a csv file to vcard via this website http://homepage.mac.com/phrogz/CSV2vCard_v2.html  then imported it into Evolution then used the export of Evolution to the HPLIP
[14:42] <erUSUL> apostle: no just pci... i missed the express bit :| i'm sure there are pci express versions though
[14:43] <usr13> donjuanluis07: I don't know, never done that.... sorry
[14:43] <BeBoo_> is an intel xeon 64 bit?
[14:43] <apostle> erUSUL, cool will look into it
[14:43] <SpaceBass2> hey folks
[14:43] <SpaceBass2> having trouble getting the Cisco VPN client to compile on 8.10 - anyone had success ?
[14:43] <usr13> mikerose357: X -configure
[14:44] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: depends there are many versions of Xeon's
[14:44] <usr13> mikerose357: Not sure, but something like that.
[14:44] <donjuanluis07> great so im screwed basically
[14:44] <BeBoo_> erUSUL: easiest way to tell which version it is?
[14:44] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: do "grep --color " lm " | /proc/cpuinfo"
[14:45] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: do you see a red lm in the output ?
[14:45] <BeBoo_> i currently don't have *nix installed on it... it's win server 2k3 atm... i want to format and install ubuntu server but i need to know which to download... lol
[14:45] <BeBoo_> would you happen to know how to find it out in windows?
[14:45] <usr13> mikerose357: If you are just rying to recover from a missconfigured xorg.conf file, just delete it, xorg will creat a new one.
[14:45] <donjuanluis07> anybody used the HPLIP Fax Utility
[14:45] <QQQ> can I set the folder to install into with aptitude, too?
[14:46] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: use cpu-z ?
[14:46] <mikerose357> actually it apears that if I set it to any normal resolution nvidia just sets that monitor to off
[14:46] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
[14:46] <BeBoo_> erUSUL: lemme try, one sec
[14:46] <mikerose357> so I'm stuck with garbage 1024 x 768
[14:46] <w30> My Compiz mouse button is set to rotate cube on middle button but it has universal focus. How can I set that so it only works when focused on a bate desktop area and not mess up paste when focused in a window of an editor or xterm for example?
[14:47] <w30> bate/bare
[14:47] <mikerose357> w30 I don't think thats just a misconfiguration I believe thats a bug its not set to rotate everywhere it just does due to buggy behavior I don't know what the fix is
[14:49] <usr13> mikerose357: xorgconfig is the manual command to configure the X server.
[14:49] <w30> mikerose357, my PClinuxOS setup works only on bare desktop so maybe I will will have to ask them how to do it.
[14:49] <donjuanluis07> if someone has not use the HPLIP Fax program then could someone send me to the right chat for it?
[14:49] <BeBoo_> erUSUL: now what am i looking for in here? I see EM64T under instructions
[14:49] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: then is 64 bits
[14:49] <BeBoo_> great, thanks for your help
[14:49] <usr13> mikerose357: I don't think that it is the nvidia card that is shutting the monitor off.  I think it is the monitor that is just not accepting out of range signal.
[14:50] <usr13> mikerose357: What is your monitor?
[14:50] <snowveil> every time I click my mouse, it actually double-clicks...and the sensitivity is up extremely high.  Does anyone have any idea why it might be doing this?
[14:50] <mikerose357> it is absolutely NOT out of range
[14:50] <bmbm> excuse me guys after hi all and how r u could upgrade from ubuntu 8.04 lts to 8.10 without formatting
[14:50] <bmbm> ?
[14:50] <corey> Is there a way to use wireshark to watch what websites people are accessing on my network?
[14:50] <mikerose357> my monitor displays up to 1920 x 1440
[14:50] <ubuntu__> hi morning
[14:51] <thiebaude> snowveil: i had that happen to my mouse i had to replace it
[14:51] <w30> mikerose357, my ubuntu dell laptop works kinda. You have to hold the mouse down a long click for the focus to stay in the editor or whatever paste reciept is.
[14:51] <corey> lo morning
[14:51] <donjuanluis07> usr13 could u plz send me to the right chat?
[14:51] <mikerose357> and the resolution I tried to set it to works in windows
[14:51] <usr13> !distupgrade
[14:51] <Viata> corey is it a home network?
[14:51] <erUSUL> !upgrade | bmbm
[14:51] <snowveil> thiebaude, it's doing the same thing with a few different mice
[14:51] <corey> viata: No, I am an employer
[14:51] <erUSUL> corey: wireshark seems overkill
[14:51] <usr13> donjuanluis07: Sorry, I just don't know.
[14:51] <snowveil> I have 2 connected now and they're both causing the same problem
[14:51] <bmbm> thx very much erusul
[14:52] <corey> erUSUL: what would you use?
[14:52] <m3gaman> donjuanluis07:: have you tried searching the HPLIP knowledge base
[14:52] <erUSUL> !info ntop | corey
[14:53] <donjuanluis07> yep and no help or info on the address book feature and I have a 1400+ contact file that I have to use
[14:53] <usr13> mikerose357: What is your monitor?  What is your dsiplay adapter?  What video driver are you using?
[14:53] <invalid> !ot > invalid
[14:53] <donjuanluis07> if my vcf file is wrong format I will change it I just need to know what format to put it into
[14:53] <tom_eats_lives> I want to stop wireless coming on by default on gnome-network manager how i do this ?
[14:53] <m3gaman> donjuanluis07:: try google groups or something?
[14:53] <donjuanluis07> ?
[14:54] <donjuanluis07> dont know google groups
[14:54] <cheeser> how do I get ubunto to boot in to runlevel 3?  i don't want X running as i'm thinking of running this on a server.
[14:54] <cheeser> erm, ubuntu  8^)=
[14:54] <m3gaman> groups.google.com
[14:54] <donjuanluis07> k thnks
[14:54] <thiebaude> snowveil: maybe check the mouse settings
[14:55] <usr13> mikerose357: Do you have an xorg.conf file?
[14:55] <Pici> cheeser: runlevels on Ubuntu/debian do not work like other distributions. If you don't want X running, remove it from startup: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove
[14:55] <mikerose357> usr13 monitor is an IBM crt, graphics is 8600M GT driver is 180 binary nvidia
[14:55] <cheeser> Pici: oh, right.  i was going to try that yesterday and got sidetracked.  thanks.  i'll try that.
[14:55] <theonelostmodder> hello all can i ask for help here
[14:55] <mikerose357> I'll Pastbin the xorg.conf
[14:55] <snowveil> thiebaude, for some reason it never opens properly
[14:55] <pirx_> hi! when downloading server edition 64bit, the image is called amd64. Is this somehow specific to AMD cpus?
[14:56] <theonelostmodder> im having problems watching movies using the movie player on ubuntu8.10
[14:56] <usr13> mikerose357: What screen size do you want to use?
[14:57] <tom_eats_lives> theonelostmodder,  whats the problem ?
[14:57] <dze1> anyone used bonnie++ for benchmarking
[14:57] <QQQ> Could I install Apps and move them via C&P on myy external drive and than make simbolic links? (what happens if the drive is not connected?)
[14:57] <theonelostmodder> umm its a 26 inch so probably 1240x800
[14:57] <ArcSighter> ikonia: ok , no news?
[14:57] <mikerose357> 1600x1200
[14:57] <Picassotamus> mikerose357: i believe someone had a similar issue to you yesterday, and they had a line to ~/xprofile or something
[14:57] <ikonia> ArcSighter: just a little busy at the moment
[14:57] <thiebaude> snowveil: system>preferences>mouse>general>pointer speed>senssitivity
[14:57] <mikerose357> xorg.conf is at http://pastebin.com/m22c19ac9
[14:57] <QQQ> (thats what I did to my 2GB Win-XP partition)
[14:57] <snowveil> thiebaude, the Mouse window never opens for me
[14:57] <snowveil> not sure why
[14:58] <w30> pirx_, Intel licenses the amd x86+86 arch. from amd.
[14:58] <snowveil> the mouse worked fine yesterday, but after a reboot it started acting crazy...every click is a double click
[14:58] <snowveil> it seems to me like it's recognizing every event coming from the mouse twice
[14:58] <thiebaude> snowveil: i'm not sure how you fix it
[14:58] <bujar> hello i tried to install cnet, the "make" and "sudo make install" commands didnt show any errors, but now when i type "cnet" i still get " unknown command" . HELP!!!
[14:58] <theonelostmodder> question for ne one - i have my laptop hooked up to my tv. Vizio 26 inch lcd 1080i and when i try to play a movie or other video file it wont show uo in the player on the tv just shows a black screen
[14:58] <w30> pirx_, so it's a dig against Intel by the Linux guyes *smile*
[14:59] <theonelostmodder> *up
[14:59] <ArcSighter> ikonia: ok, let me know when you're up to it
[14:59] <slerder> Hey guys. Does anyone know how to create an NTFS partition in ubuntu. I tried to use Gparted but the NTFS option is greyed out. Thanks
[14:59] <mikerose357> snowveil that sounds like a hardware issue
[14:59] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone tell me the command used to view the users existing on a system
[14:59] <mikerose357> I had the same issue with my mouse , the button was wearing out
[14:59] <Picassotamus> slerder: Do you have the ntfs-3g package installed?
[14:59] <snowveil> I've tried two different mice though mikerose357, both are doing the same thing
[15:00] <donjuanluis07> usr13 m3gaman: thnks for help googlegroups no help Im trying #linux channel
[15:00] <jtaji> slerder: install ntfsprogs, then all ntfs operations will work in gparted
[15:00] <genii> slerder: From a livecd you need package installed which first supports the fs or so you are trying to partition/format for. So ntfs-progs
[15:00] <slerder> picasso and jataji thanks ill look into that
[15:00] <Kartagis> I get libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.18.2-0ubuntu1) but 2.18.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed. what to do?
[15:00] <slerder> genni thanks
[15:00] <theonelostmodder> question for ne one - i have my laptop hooked up to my tv. Vizio 26 inch lcd 1080i and when i try to play a movie or other video file it wont show uo in the player on the tv just shows a black screen. what could the problem be? everything else shows up but the video on the tv in the movie player help plz thanks.
[15:00] <bujar> hello i tried to install cnet, the "make" and "sudo make install" commands didnt show any errors, but now when i type "cnet" i still get " unknown command" . HELP!!! im running the update manager, could that be the reason why the cnet command is still unknown to the console?
[15:00] <Picassotamus> slerder: what is the diff between ntfs-3g and ntfs-progs?
[15:01] <w30> slerder, there is special applications for ntfs file systems in the repos. Have you got those installed. that might help.seardh ntfs in the synaptic app.
[15:01] <theonelostmodder> question for ne one - i have my laptop hooked up to my tv. Vizio 26 inch lcd 1080i and when i try to play a movie or other video file it wont show uo in the player on the tv just shows a black screen. what could the problem be? everything else shows up but the video on the tv in the movie player help plz thanks.
[15:01] <luca> i have insallet kubuntu-desktop.. and now i can use kde.. but i saw its the old version so i installed kubuntu4-desktop
[15:01] <luca> how can i remove kubnutu-desktop?
[15:01]  * ScottG489 is away: Gone away for now
[15:02] <theonelostmodder> no one?
[15:02] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone tell me the command used to view the users existing on a system
[15:02] <luca> i tryed sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop but it didnt work
[15:02] <usr13> mikerose357: Is 1600x1200  an acceptable screen size?
[15:03] <w30> luca, kubuntu 8.10 has KDE4. Would you consider installing that?
[15:03] <Germanaz0> #jdownloader
[15:03] <catnap> I have a great development idea
[15:03] <theonelostmodder> question for ne one - i have my laptop hooked up to my tv. Vizio 26 inch lcd 1080i and when i try to play a movie or other video file it wont show uo in the player on the tv just shows a black screen. what could the problem be? everything else shows up but the video on the tv in the movie player help plz thanks.
[15:03] <catnap> is there some sort of development channel?
[15:04] <m3gaman> man will you people stop posting the same thing over and over again...give it time...someone will naswer
[15:04] <munichlinux> has someone fixed the firefox dsp issue? (Firefox holding up the /dev/dsp)
[15:04] <theonelostmodder> sorry m3gaman
[15:04] <luca> w30: i installed ubuntu.. and use gnome but i installed the packet kubuntu-desktop that i can choose between the enviroments
[15:04] <slerder> jtaji and genii thanks it worked great. Now I have another problem though. When i try to create a new partition it says It is not possible to create more than 4 primary partitions. What should i do? is there some way i can change some partitions to not primary (logical) all the partitions i have on that drive are only for media files. thanks
[15:04] <thiebaude> luca: yes
[15:04] <KewliOO> can someone help me
[15:04] <luca> w30: then i realised that kubuntu-desktop is the 3.5 version of kde
[15:04] <m3gaman> no need to be sorry...I just don't understand why people can't have some patients...
[15:04] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone explain me the difference between 'who' and 'who am i' commands
[15:05] <thiebaude> at the log in prompt choose sessions
[15:05] <theonelostmodder> im an impatient person
[15:05] <luca> so i decided to install kubuntu4-deskotp .. thats the new version and i want to remove the old version
[15:05] <jtaji> slerder: if you already have 4 primaries, you'll need to delete one, and then you can put one or more logicals in that space
[15:05] <m3gaman> then hit google and figure out the answer for your self
[15:05] <luca> w30: do you understand what i mean?
[15:05] <theonelostmodder> i am while i wait
[15:05] <theonelostmodder> hoping to find the answer
[15:06] <slerder> jtaji, but cant i just change a parition from primary to logical?
[15:06] <jtaji> slerder: unforutnately no
[15:06] <m3gaman> theonelostmodder:: great...then there is no need to ask again in here
[15:06] <KewliOO> can someone tell me how to get into the GUI of Ubuntu 8.10....All it shows wheh it boots is " GRUB>
[15:06] <theonelostmodder> :P
[15:06] <KewliOO> ??
[15:07] <slerder> jtaji.. mm that seems absurd. I think ill just use acronis disk director for windows then...Im pretty sure i can use that
[15:07] <theonelostmodder> if u know the answer u could just tell me
[15:07] <Scunizi> KewliOO: do you have more than one drive in your machine?
[15:07] <w30> luca, gotcha, but I am afraid I can't help on that one except to say removing KDE3 is complicated because it affects so much other stuff.
[15:07] <KewliOO> yes
[15:07] <m3gaman> theonelostmodder:: yeah and if I did I would have told you...just like im sure if someone else knew the answer they would have let you know...
[15:07] <Scunizi> KewliOO: Grub is the bootloader and didn't install correctly or on the right drive.. I'll have ubottu give you a link
[15:07] <KewliOO> I have 3 Hard drives and one cd-R/dvdrom
[15:07] <Scunizi> !grub | KewliOO
[15:08] <snowveil> theonelostmodder, have you tried playing it back on your standard monitor?
[15:08] <snowveil> are you sure you have the right video codecs?
[15:08] <luca> w30: ah okey thats the problem ;) i tryed just to remove kubuntu-desktop but then saw that it didnt work;) but no porlbem will find it out =)
[15:08] <luca> thanks
[15:08] <KewliOO> Thank you alot
[15:08] <Scunizi> KewliOO: np
[15:09] <snowveil> theonelostmodder, try playing it back in VLC, see if it will work there...if so you need the right video decoder, if not I don't know
[15:09] <Lindsay2009> hi - i have found a replacement DVD rom drive for my ubuntu machine, and i'm wondering if it works perfectly, could i use it to read my NTFS dvd-rs
[15:09] <theonelostmodder> k ty snow ill try. it works on the laptop screen just not on the tv thru the rgb (vga) connection
[15:10] <Scunizi> Lindsay2009: the proof is when you try it and it works..
[15:10] <snowveil> if it works on the laptop screen that's probably not the issue theonelostmodder
[15:10] <QQQ> Lindsay2009 why dont you try it?
[15:10] <sim-value> what an NTFS DVD rs ?
[15:10] <QQQ> ^^
[15:10] <Lindsay2009> NTFS Is a windows file format
[15:10] <Lindsay2009> and dvd-r is a burnt dvdrom disc
[15:10] <sim-value> actually filesystem
[15:10] <sim-value> ajep..
[15:10] <jtaji> Lindsay2009: there is no such thing as NTFS formatted optical discs, but yes you will be able to read any format used on DVDs
[15:10] <snowveil> Lindsay2009 , the dvds won't be ntfs
[15:10] <Scunizi> but to combine ntft and dvd is not correct
[15:11] <mikerose357> ok another question, some programs if I try to start them from konsole like so "sudo kate" tell me command not found
[15:11] <mikerose357> and yet just "kate" works fine
[15:11] <theonelostmodder> ok ill try to gogle the issue as no one here has the answer. if all else fails theres alwasy google
[15:11] <theonelostmodder> *always
[15:11] <Lindsay2009> jtaji - k. but i do need any additional tools to access my data files from the disc?
[15:11] <sim-value> and if you use su ...
[15:11] <sim-value> ?
[15:11] <Scunizi> mikerose357: you should start graphic programs with gksudo not sudo
[15:11] <mikerose357> su doens't even fundtion
[15:11] <sim-value> ?
[15:12] <jtaji> Lindsay2009: nope
[15:12] <Lindsay2009> alright. thank you.
[15:12] <PKodon> Umm, when you say "it's the old version", are you talking about it being KDE 3.x?
[15:12] <Scunizi> mikerose357: su is not a function in ubuntu unless you do some hacking
[15:12] <JarG0n> where is the pastebin for this channel?
[15:12] <JarG0n> !pastebin
[15:12] <erUSUL> Lindsay2009: dvdr use iso9669 or udf not ntfs that's for hard drives
[15:12] <JarG0n> ah
[15:12] <bogey> hi, I removed wpasupplicant
[15:12] <Lindsay2009> erUSL - thank you for info
[15:12] <Scunizi> JarG0n: or you can use any pastebin service.. pastebin.com etc
[15:12] <Lindsay2009> wasn't sure
[15:12] <bogey> The following packages will be REMOVED: network-manager network-manager-gnome ubuntu-desktop wpasupplicant
[15:12] <bogey> why it removes network totally
[15:12] <Lindsay2009> my old dvd-rom had hard time reading anything
[15:12] <bogey> I don't need wlan thingys
[15:13] <Lindsay2009> wouldn't read dvd-rs and barely played dvds
[15:13] <mikerose357> ok thanks gksudo works, I was used to using kdesu for graphical apps but that doesn't work either
[15:13] <PKodon> Ack! Sorry, for some reason the channel was scrolled back, I was answering someone who asked a question a long time ago.
[15:13] <JarG0n> I just ran chkrootkit, and it found the following.  Would this have been caused by installing Wireshark?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/129794/
[15:13] <bogey> need to plugin keyboard to fix my network :P
[15:13] <Scunizi> mikerose357: are you on gnome running kde aps or kde running kde aps?
[15:14] <mikerose357> on kde
[15:14] <Lindsay2009> well thank you all for your help
[15:14] <Lindsay2009> take care
[15:14] <Scunizi> mikerose357: weird that kdesu doesn't work
[15:14] <mikerose357> kde 3.5 I'm waiting for 4 to someday stop sucking
[15:15] <Scunizi> mikerose357: 4.2 is looking good
[15:15] <JarG0n> anyone? :)
[15:15] <mikerose357> great I can't believe that labeled an alpha release 4.0 heh
[15:15] <usr13> bogey: What is your issue?  (What problem are you trying to solve?)
[15:16] <Scunizi> JarG0n: probably is wireshark.. you can always uninstall wireshark and check again as a comparison..
[15:16] <sipior> JarG0n: is the interface still in promiscuous mode?
[15:17] <javb> what's the directory of the trash in Ubuntu 8.04 - the Hardy Heron - released in April 2008 ? I need to empty it via CLI !
[15:17] <JarG0n> Scunizi> I did uninstall.  Should that still be there ?
[15:17] <JarG0n> sipior> not sure, how do I check?
[15:17] <w30> Whe does one get those long gibish names for partitions for cat /etc/fstab
[15:17] <Scunizi> !trash | javb
[15:17] <sipior> JarG0n: ifconfig will show it
[15:18] <JarG0n> sipior> what indicates promiscuous mode on eth0 ?
[15:18] <Scunizi> JarG0n: not sure if the config files etc left behind make a difference or not.
[15:18] <JarG0n> Scunizi> I thought that might be the case.
[15:18] <sipior> JarG0n: "PROMISC"
[15:19] <Picassotamus> !fstab > w30
[15:19] <JarG0n> sipior> Nope.  I don't see that anywhere.  Thx sir :)
[15:19] <JarG0n> sipior> Scunizi> I've ran two rootkit detectors.  It's good to know you don't have a rootkit installed. :D
[15:22] <w30> Picassotamus, thank you very much.
[15:22] <CosmiChaos> Does somebody know how to enable nautilus to create thumbnails for mpeg and x264??? I have it working for xvid, all unstripped packages and thumbnailers installed. Please help.
[15:22] <Picassotamus> w30: np yw
[15:24] <Scunizi> JarG0n: how did you start chrootkit? I just installed
[15:24] <JarG0n> sudo chrootkit
[15:24] <Scunizi> ah. thanks
[15:24] <sipior> JarG0n: might be worth digging through the rootkit detection scripts, and see precisely what test is returning that result. it should then be pretty clear where it thinks the problem is.
[15:25] <Scunizi> JarG0n: "chkrootkit".. I keep forgetting the "k" in the name
[15:25] <JarG0n> Scunizi> I did that too.  Also install Rootkit Hunter from package rkhunter.  It seems to be more comprehensive.
[15:26] <Achoth> Hello. I'm installing Mumble server on my Ubuntu Server 8.10. I need an application that is able to send simple mails. Is it a complicatied process to make a server able to send mails?
[15:26] <CosmiChaos> Does somebody know how to enable nautilus to create thumbnails for mpeg and x264??? I have it working for xvid, all unstripped packages and thumbnailers installed. Please help.
[15:26] <storbeck> Achoth: sendmail
[15:27] <rhousand> is there a command like chkconfig --list for ubuntu?
[15:27] <JarG0n> sipior> I did.  I think I pasted the test in pastebin, which shows it was searching for possible sniffers.
[15:27] <laic> Hi, can somebody shed some light on hardware.  I plan to build a desktop for editing some HDV probably using Kino and Cinelerra which I have minimum experience on my present system running 8.04 on 32 bit with 1GB of RAM, a system I built 7 or 8 years ago.  THANKS.
[15:28] <Achoth> storbeck: Is it as simple as apt-get install sendmail?
[15:28] <sipior> JarG0n: i meant: what precise code is being executed to determine the presence of a sniffer. there are a number of possibilities, and an inspection of the source code would reveal what's going on.
[15:28] <usr13> rhousand: There is a gui: services-admin
[15:28] <JarG0n> sipior> I see
[15:29] <rhousand> usr13,  yea, I was looking for a command line option. :(
[15:29] <Achoth> storbeck: Well, I'll try it, thanks :)
[15:31] <storbeck> rhousand: sudo apt-get install chkconfig
[15:31] <Kuukkeli^> hmmmh, steam keeps freezing on "Logging to steam account"
[15:31] <rhousand> ez as can be
[15:31] <CosmiChaos> Does somebody know how to enable nautilus to create thumbnails for mpeg and x264??? I have it working for xvid, all unstripped packages and thumbnailers installed. Please help.
[15:32] <storbeck> yep :)
[15:32] <HanzZ> hi, is it possible to install package from proposed repository without adding it? I need to do it in one command
[15:32] <storbeck> Kuukkeli^: /join #wine
[15:32] <HanzZ> I think I can't do it, but I want to ask
[15:33] <storbeck> HanzZ: I suppose you could wget the package, then dpkg install it
[15:33] <mikevankuik> erUSUL: can you help me with a thingy? I want a user to autologin on a machine but I only have ssh access... I did it before but I can't remember how :P
[15:33] <storbeck> mikevankuik: use ssh keys
[15:33] <gerryxiao0> hello
[15:34] <bening> anyone knows how to view wmf file on ubuntu?
[15:34] <erUSUL> mikevankuik: i do not know how to do it either.... something on the gdm config perhaps
[15:34] <mikevankuik> storbeck: ? how do you mean? I'm not sure
[15:34] <erUSUL> !w32codecs | bening
[15:34] <mikevankuik> erUSUL: yeah... there is some file I should edit I think... but not sure witch :P
[15:34] <storbeck> mikevankuik: ssh-keygen, install the key, then copy the key to an ~/.ssh server
[15:34] <bening> anyone knows how to view wmf image on ubuntu?
[15:34] <usr13> rhousand: I guess in distros other than RH / Fedora, you just work with the executible bits on the scripts.  In other words, you just chmod -x or chomd +x to the actual scripts, (mostly in /etc/init.d/ )  Someone correct me as needed....
[15:34] <bhsx> i've been having some locking/freezing issues in 8.10, newly installed and updated, haven't even installed codecs yet...  with ati x300 se
[15:35] <bhsx> has the latest update caused hanging issues for anyone?
[15:35] <bhsx> this never happenned before, i updated my box and it started freezing up...
[15:35] <csarven> If a typeface supports a particular Unicode characters does the text rendering still default to DejaVu because of the Pango library?
[15:36] <bhsx> i could SSH into it and initiate a reboot, and it would kick me out of ssh but hang on the reboot
[15:36] <bhsx> and not complete it
[15:36] <bhsx> any ideas?
[15:36] <usr13> rhousand: And to see what is running or not, just ls -l /etc/init.d/
[15:36] <milda_> hi, I lost my eth0 connection in ubuntu 8.10 - it's not in control pannel next clock .. and i can't connect the internet now - i haven't any control :( can somebody help me ?
[15:36] <storbeck> bhsx: Run it in a screen
[15:36] <mikevankuik> storbeck: but I have access on the machine (via sftp its possible to access the machine too just nog via vnc but that is solved as soon as I have the user autologed in)
[15:36] <bhsx> run what in a screen?
[15:36] <rhousand> \j #mysql
[15:37] <storbeck> Yes mikevankuik All you need to do is copy over your ~/.ssh folder to the server. You can do it with sftp :)
[15:37] <CosmiChaos> Does somebody know how to enable nautilus to create thumbnails for mpeg and x264??? I have it working for xvid, all unstripped packages and thumbnailers installed. Please help.
[15:37] <sipior> mikevankuik: the file you want is /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, i think. pay attention to the comments, though, as it is autogenerated :-) alternatively, you can forward an X session with ssh -X, and run the configurator that way.
[15:37] <rhousand> haha opps!
[15:37] <corey> can wireshark be used to see what my employees are viewing on the internet?
[15:37] <storbeck> Oh, you're trying to auto-login to gdm?
[15:37] <storbeck> I thought you meant auto-login to ssh
[15:37] <bhsx> storbeck, what do you mean run it in a screen?
[15:37] <storbeck> bhsx: Open up a screen session, then run the command inside screen
[15:37] <rhousand> corey, squid is a better way of doing that
[15:38] <bhsx> ?  i'm talking about 8.10 crashing....    i don't understand why screen would have anything to do with it?
[15:38] <mikevankuik> sipior cool tx :) I'll have a look
[15:38] <donjuanluis07> usr13: not getting any help, do you know someone that edits vcf files?
[15:38] <usr13> rhousand: I found   update-rc.d
[15:39] <storbeck> bhsx: After it kicks you out, you can log back in, and re-attach yourself to the screen session, and see what's going on
[15:39] <rhousand> corey, there are even perl scripts that will go through your log files and do reporting
[15:39] <usr13> donjuanluis07: Just a sec.  I'll see
[15:39] <rhousand> usr13, I have installed chkconfig via apt-get. it works great
[15:39] <usr13> rhousand: update-rc.d - install and remove System-V style init script links
[15:39] <rhousand> usr13, thanks though
[15:39] <donjuanluis07> dude i appreciate it
[15:40] <gherghout> j'ai kubuntu 8.10 et je veux installer ubuntuME mais j'ai pas réussit pouvez vous m'aidez ?
[15:40] <Scunizi> storbeck: not if you're initiating a reboot of the machine via ssh like bhsx is saying.. the screen session would terminate on reboot
[15:40] <donjuanluis07> having the worst time with this first time I have had a problem this bad with linux
[15:40] <usr13> rhousand: Ok, cool...  update-rc.d  may be the backend to it... but yea, that's good to know because chkconfig is good tool
[15:40] <bhsx> thank you
[15:40] <Scunizi> np
[15:41] <TheAngel_> yes tether works _O_
[15:41] <gherghout>  i have kubuntu8.10 and i want install ubuntuME but i can't can you help me to do that  please
[15:41] <storbeck> Scunizi: His reboot is hanging though, so I don't think it would close out screen
[15:41] <bhsx> so i'm the only one?  boo hoo
[15:41] <BeBoo_> anyone know if you can configure a raid from the ubuntu installer? I have an hp server and i need to adjust the raid before i install
[15:41] <Scunizi> storbeck: depends on if it hangs on the shutdown side or the boot side.. > bhsx
[15:41] <bhsx> prolly just a matter of turning off my "effects" again... but they shouldn't be on by default if they're gonna cause crashing issues
[15:42] <presshere> any recommended firewalls for ubuntu?
[15:42] <Scunizi> bhsx: metacity --replace?
[15:42] <yggdrasil> hello can somone recomend a linux supported video capture card  (s-video)?
[15:42] <Scunizi> bhsx: instead of a full reboot how 'bout just doing a gdm reboot.. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[15:42] <sim-value> !virtualhost
[15:42] <corey> rhousand: squid? I am more interested in using wireshark regardless of what is better. All I have to do is find logs that use the dns protocol and type the destination IP in my web browser correct?
[15:43] <BeBoo_> yggdrasil: many of the hauppauge series
[15:43] <bhsx> i tried that.. didn't do anything
[15:43] <Scunizi> bhsx: then screen would be usefull
[15:43] <presshere> !firewall
[15:43] <ubuntistas> where can i find gimp as a deb file?
[15:43] <ubuntistas> any clue?
[15:43] <Scunizi> bhsx: change the driver to vesa?
[15:43] <sim-value> packages.ubuntu.com
[15:43] <bhsx> that's weak though....
[15:43] <bhsx> i have the card, i should be able to use it
[15:44] <bhsx> it's disappointing...
[15:44] <Scunizi> bhsx: is the driver one that ubuntu supplied or one that you installed from ati's site?
[15:44] <emperorcezar> Is there any possible way to install flash 9 plugin on 8.10 64 bit? Synaptic only has 10 and the it's just too unstable.
[15:44] <bhsx> it's a fresh install.... so it's the ubuntu one.... although, i reinstalled because of the initial freezing issue, and that was with ATI drivers
[15:45] <luis_lopez> hi SevillaElisa
[15:45] <presshere> can anyone help me to turn off IPv6 pls?
[15:45] <corey> rhousand: squid? I am more interested in using wireshark regardless of what is better. All I have to do is find logs that use the dns protocol and type the destination IP in my web browser correct?
[15:45] <bhsx> and the pc doesn't freeze in XP....
[15:45] <bhsx> no hardware issues...
[15:45] <sim-value> Which card do you have =
[15:45] <tinto> i wish to promote the use of ubuntu in my campus is there any documentation or howto to help me through?
[15:45] <sim-value> Ati sucks for Drivers btw ...
[15:45] <bhsx> yes it does
[15:45] <bhsx> but it's what i have
[15:46] <sim-value> What card ?
[15:46] <bhsx> ati radeon x300 se
[15:46] <bhsx> "stock" gateway 700GR
[15:46] <usr13> donjuanluis07: So we need to convert cvs to vcf ?  Right? Wrong?
[15:46] <bhsx> 5 years old... should be WELL supported
[15:46] <sim-value> shouldnt the Opensource driver have 3D accel =
[15:46] <sim-value> ?
[15:47] <donjuanluis07> csv to vcf yes!
[15:47] <Bacta> How can I make my Ubuntu look like MacOS?
[15:47] <sim-value> Mac4Lin
[15:47] <usr13> And from where do you get the csv file?
[15:47] <donjuanluis07> i used http://homepage.mac.com/phrogz/CSV2vCard_v2.html but no luck
[15:47] <mohanohi> hi
[15:47] <bhsx> right now i'm using the open source drivers and yes, they have accel
[15:47] <donjuanluis07> I got it from openoffice
[15:47] <sim-value> so .... ?
[15:47] <bhsx> i haven't even installed the "restricted" drivers yet
[15:47] <donjuanluis07> i saved a ods to csv text
[15:48] <donjuanluis07> like the web address told me to
[15:48] <usr13> donjuanluis07: So you are creating the cvs file with OO ?  Your doing it yourself?
[15:48] <bhsx> sim, i'm talking about a hard crash/freeze issue, i'm not complaining that i dont have 3d accel....
[15:48] <mohanohi> I am unable to mount USB Drive in ubuntu 8.10. It showing Cannot mount volume. You are not privileged to mount this volume.
[15:48] <usr13> donjuanluis07: Well, what about this?:  http://freshmeat.net/projects/vcard/
[15:48] <sim-value> I thought you had that with the Restricted one
[15:49] <mohanohi> pls anybody help me..
[15:49] <bhsx> i had the issue with the "ATI" supplied catalyst drivers... i reinstalled just on a whim, updated, and it froze again
[15:49] <Bacta> sudo su first
[15:49] <rhousand> corey, it can be done. but the pcap files are very large and you will have to dig through the logs your self. We did that for a wile but we have a lot of users and use thin clients so it looks like everyone connects from the server. now i have user based  acl and a perl script which converts our logs. so, the answer is yes you can use wire shark.
[15:49] <Bacta> before mounting
[15:49] <bhsx> so it's not the drivers, it's the update
[15:49] <n8tuserf> mohanohi-> use sudo
[15:49] <mohanohi> ok.. then..
[15:50] <Bacta> Ubuntu is ghey in that regard
[15:50] <sipior> corey: in principle. but how are you going to deal with the fact that most viewed web pages pull images (for adverts and the like) from multiple other locations? even a small amount of web use is likely to generate quite a few addresses to check. and if you're planning on using this information against an employee (which is what it sounds like you're asking), you'd best be quite sure you understand what you're doing, lest you accuse an innocent.
[15:50] <tinto> mohanohi, sudo mount /media/usbname
[15:51] <usr13> donjuanluis07: apt-cache search vcard reports:  "2vcard - perl script to convert an addressbook to VCARD file format"
[15:51] <donjuanluis07> k how am i supposed to use this, its just a tar with a vcf file in it
[15:51] <Bacta> And this ladies and gents is why Ubuntu is still not ready for the everyday user
[15:51] <Chousuke> I still think mounting external drives should be made easier
[15:51] <pavs> can't wait for Chrome to make linux port of the browser. I freaking love it.
[15:51] <mohanohi> ok.. but how can i permanently set permission for my account to do mount?
[15:51] <Chousuke> Bacta: meh
[15:51] <Bacta> Chousuke: Absolutely!
[15:51] <tinto> Bacta, who says?
[15:51] <invalid> mohanohi, use fstab
[15:51] <Chousuke> Bacta: most of the time gnome automounts USB drives just fine
[15:51] <n8tuserf> Chousuke-> if you learned to use udev rules, then those can be automated!
[15:52] <invalid> err - maybe not
[15:52] <Bacta> what kind of a beginner wants to see a terminal? It's rubbish
[15:52] <Chousuke> n8tuserf: yeah. that's not simple :P
[15:52] <mohanohi> hmmm. i am a noob for ubuntu.. what is fstab
[15:52] <Picassotamus> !fstab
[15:52] <n8tuserf> Chousuke-> correct and i wish it could be better
[15:52] <Bacta> There we go again
[15:52] <Chousuke> n8tuserf: there should be a simple GUI for setting up removable device properties somewhere.
[15:52] <Bacta> Why must a noob know about fstab? :P
[15:52] <vlady> help please
[15:52] <sipior> Bacta: well what are you planning on doing to fix it?
[15:52] <vlady> i can't install postgresql-8.3.6-1-linux-x64.bin
[15:52] <Scunizi> Bacta: because he's learning?
[15:52] <tinto> mohanohi, you can changes privilages for users form system>administration>users and group
[15:52] <Bacta> sipior: Complaining until my C skills are decent
[15:52] <Chousuke> like "mount this drive automatically when you see it and give users A, B and C access to it"
[15:53] <mohanohi> ok ok.. thank you i will try..
[15:53] <Kuukkeli^> storbeck: it's invite only channel. the #wine
[15:53] <sipior> Bacta: get back to studying, then :-)
[15:53] <Chousuke> Bacta: again, gnome still automounts most things just fine.
[15:53] <Bacta> We seriously need a Steve Jobs
[15:53] <Chousuke> Bacta: it just could be even easier
[15:53] <mohanohi> yes.. it was mounting previously automatically i double click on it..
[15:53] <Bacta> who will yell and scream at everyone
[15:53] <Bacta> yet will make things work for the user
[15:53] <mohanohi> now it shows dont have permission...
[15:53] <donjuanluis07> usr13: what am I supposed to do
[15:54] <sipior> Bacta: screaming at volunteers tends to make them ignore you
[15:54] <tinto> mohanohi, are you in sudoers file?
[15:54] <wers> how do I name partitions with Ubuntu? the os x installer allowed me to name my os x partition while my linux partitions are unnamed
[15:54] <Bacta> sipior: I guess what I meant was an evangelist like Jobs
[15:54] <mohanohi> hmm what is sudoers file?
[15:54] <Kuukkeli^> Hello, my steam keeps freezing, could someone recommend me a fix to this? Freezes at "connecting to steam account" part
[15:55] <Scunizi> wers: you can do that with gparted if you want.. or if you're more adventurous use fdisk
[15:55] <tinto> mohanohi, you first do some study
[15:55] <Kuukkeli^> too bad wine is Invite only
[15:55] <usr13> donjuanluis07: apt-get install 2vcard
[15:55] <mohanohi> ok.. i will tinto..
[15:55] <mohanohi> sorry if i am bothering..
[15:55] <wers> Scunizi, thanks
[15:55] <Scunizi> wers: np
[15:55] <aspoor> I hacked Renegade with HEX
[15:56] <Bacta> mohanohi: You're not bothering anyone. There are people who know how to do what you want done but they're too high up on their high horses to give you a straight answer
[15:56] <Chousuke> Kuukkeli^: tried #winehq?
[15:56] <aspoor> not sappose to.
[15:56] <tinto> Bacta, i think its not so
[15:56] <Kuukkeli^> Chousuke, not yet, testing now.
[15:56] <mohanohi> yes i understand..
[15:56] <Scunizi> !cc
[15:57] <mohanohi> i should first learn..
[15:57] <Bacta> It's quite sad when you go into a channel having spent ages trying to get something to work and then be told to go somewhere by some bot or told to do "study" by someone who knows clearly what you must do
[15:57] <Picassotamus> Bacta: i don't think thats accurate or appropriate
[15:57] <Chousuke> Bacta: you should not make such remarks.
[15:57] <Scunizi> !conduct | Bacta
[15:57] <gnu_d> Hi, Nautilus crashes after update to Ibex
[15:57] <Bacta> *sigh* perhaps I just have a different view of the "user" than everybody else
[15:57] <gnu_d> this gives me dmesg> [10413.365865] nautilus[20292]: segfault at 72656854 ip b764d1ae sp b676a030 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.1800.2[b762c000+65000]
[15:57] <phiberoptik> hi
[15:57] <Chousuke> Bacta: no you don't.
[15:57] <Chousuke> Bacta: I know what mohanohi needs to do but frankly I am not certain I can give him proper advice.
[15:57] <phiberoptik> ubuntu french?
[15:58] <quibbler> !fr
[15:58] <Scunizi> Bacta: it wasn't the user you were making comments about, it's the volunteers helping new users.
[15:58] <sipior> Bacta: were you planning on helping at some point? or just doing the emo thing for a while?
[15:58] <aspoor> release renew the lib set
[15:58] <Chousuke> Bacta: the way I do things might not be the easiest to understand, you see.
[15:58] <Chousuke> Bacta: I'm not a gnome expert.
[15:58] <Bacta> Ok, sorry
[15:58] <aspoor> sudo make uninstall
[15:58] <aspoor> sudo make unload
[15:58] <donjuanluis07> usr13: working on it
[15:58] <usr13> Good luck.
[15:59] <Bacta> Perhaps I'm venting over things I've seen here in the past. People coming to Ubuntu often don't want to have to learn about configuration files etc. they just want something that helps them do their work
[15:59] <Chousuke> Bacta: that's a problem
[15:59] <mohanohi> as reading about fstab, its actually is for partition of drives on booting configuration files right? But i am talking about pen drive here..
[15:59] <Chousuke> Bacta: when you use a new system, you SHOULD want to learn how it works.
[15:59] <Chousuke> Bacta: either that, or get someone to set it up for you.
[15:59] <usr13> mohanohi: fstab is for mounting drives
[16:00] <m3gaman> Chousuke:: I could not agree more
[16:00] <emperorcezar> Is there any possible way to install flash 9 plugin on 8.10 64bit? Synaptic only has 10 and the it's just too unstable.
[16:00] <Chousuke> Bacta: such users would not be able to use windows properly either if it weren't set up for them already.
[16:00] <Bacta> Chousuke: Does a XP/Vista user need to know about configuration files or others? They just get up and going
[16:00] <gnu_d> Hey, what to do with Nautilus ?
[16:00] <Chousuke> Bacta: no they don't.
[16:00] <Chousuke> Bacta: the system is set up for them.
[16:00] <Scunizi> Chousuke: sort of .. but more indirectly.. most new users what to learn how to do "what they have an interest in" or what to replicate what they had on a different system using linux programs
[16:00] <Chousuke> Bacta: and if it happens not to work, they'll be just as clueless as they would be with ubuntu.
[16:00] <dell2009> hi
[16:00] <usr13> mohanohi: It tells the operating system what you want mounted or what you want the user to have access to, in being able to mount.
[16:00] <Duddle> hmm... I have a script that does some stuff, e.g. start firefox. if I run it manually, it works. but if I put it in cron, it gets executed but does not do anything. the script has all rights. any ideas?
[16:00] <Bacta> I've just had a lot of experience with people like my father and I imagine them trying to get up and running with Linux. It would be hell but sadly he represents a majority of computer users
[16:01] <Scunizi> Chousuke: and that's ok for them.. This is all off topic
[16:01] <mohanohi> ok.. ok.. now i really understood.. thank you usr13..
[16:01] <usr13> mohanohi: What are you trying to do?
[16:01] <Chousuke> Bacta: your father would not be able to install Windows either :)
[16:01] <Bacta> He did last time
[16:01] <gnu_d> Come on, it's emergency, how to rebuild Nautilus !
[16:01] <Bacta> Barely but he did
[16:01] <PKodon> Chousuke: This is one reason I hesitated for years to try Linux. Sometimes it's a matter of the ammount of time and money you have (time to figgure out a new system, money to have someone else do it when you don't have the time).
[16:02] <mohanohi> i inserted a pen drive to transfer some files.. upon double clicking the drive it showed me i dont have permission to mount the drive..
[16:02] <Chousuke> PKodon: there's always the pain of switching.
[16:02] <usr13> mohanohi: Oh, ok.
[16:02] <luca> where and how is the name of the configurationfile form init
[16:02] <luca> ?
[16:02] <kriss3d> hmm if im on the network with windows computers.. how would i access their shares ? would i have to mount each one ?
[16:02] <Bacta> mohanohi: If it were me I would bust out the terminal and type sudo mount whatever but my ranting in here has been that you shouldn't need to do that
[16:03] <Picassotamus> Bacta: Do you have any evidence that people "like your father" are the majority of computer users, or you just want to prove your point? I have parents too, that are running XP, and they have problems w/ it and don't know what to do either so, your anectote means nothing
[16:03] <Chousuke> PKodon: but if you're even marginally prepared to accept that you might need to *study* the new system a bit, Ubuntu is just great.
[16:03] <sipior> gnu_d: what were you doing in nautilus at the time it crashed?
[16:03] <luca> kriss3d: samba
[16:03] <Scunizi> !ot | Bacta Chousuke PKodon Picassotamus
[16:03] <gnu_d> sipior: I dropped images in the folder.
[16:03] <sipior> gnu_d: and the bug is reproducible?
[16:03] <Chousuke> mohanohi: So hm, how did you try mounting the drive, and what exactly happened?
[16:04] <Bacta> #ubuntu-offtopic is full of feminists...
[16:04] <gnu_d> sipior: I don't know, but when I paste stuff also crashes.
[16:04] <PKodon> Scunizi: Sorry.
[16:04] <mohanohi> i double clicked on the icon of pen drive in nautilus..
[16:04] <Scunizi> PKodon: happens..
[16:04] <Chousuke> mohanohi: did it give you any details? :/
[16:04] <usr13> mohanohi: you may need to edit /etc/goup and see that  your user name is entered on the line that starts with the word disk  and also the one that starts with plugdvd  But first, let me ask;  Are you the original user that was established on this system?
[16:05] <Chousuke> usr13: editing /etc/group directly is not recommended.
[16:05] <usr13> mohanohi: Have you added a new user to the system?
[16:05]  * PKodon shuts up till he has a question.
[16:05] <mohanohi> yes..
[16:05] <Chousuke> use "adduser user group" or the gnome user config tools to add yourself to a group
[16:05] <mohanohi> i will edit the permission in /etc/group
[16:05] <Scunizi> PKodon: or an answer :)
[16:05] <Chousuke> no, don't!
[16:05] <usr13> Chousuke: May have a better way...
[16:05] <Chousuke> mohanohi: do not touch that file.
[16:05] <mohanohi> ok.. ok.. i wont..
[16:06] <mohanohi> i will do adduser..
[16:06] <mohanohi> One thing i didn't understand..
[16:06] <Chousuke> don't do that either yet.
[16:06] <Chousuke> mohanohi: first we need to figure out why you don't have permissions for the disk.
[16:06] <mohanohi> i installed and used ubuntu for 1 month..
[16:06] <mohanohi> it didn't give this problem since.
[16:07] <PKodon> Scunizi: Well, I'm actually using PC/OS, which is based on Xubuntu, so I don't know how many "answers" I can give here, unless it has to do with getting a WEP connection with a linksys card.
[16:07] <Chousuke> mohanohi: first, try mounting the disk again normally and tell me exactly what happens.
[16:07] <mohanohi> nowadays it is telling like that..
[16:07] <Bacta> Yeah I don't get it? Why do you need permission to mount a disk?
[16:07] <Chousuke> Bacta: of course you do.
[16:07] <Voltaplein>
[16:07] <Chousuke> Bacta: basic security.
[16:07] <sipior> gnu_d: you might have to downgrade, but did the problem start immediately after upgrading to Ibex?
[16:08] <Chousuke> Bacta: the problem here is that by default users SHOULD have that permission.
[16:08] <gnu_d> sipior: yes
[16:08] <Chousuke> Bacta: he for some reason does not.
[16:08] <mohanohi> it throws an msg that i dont have permission to mount that drive..
[16:08] <Chousuke> mohanohi: and no details?
[16:08] <mohanohi> no..
[16:08] <Chousuke> is there a "show details" thing anywhere?
[16:08] <Picassotamus> mohanohi: This is a pen drive? What filesystem is it using?
[16:08] <mohanohi> like what type of details?
[16:08] <usr13> mohanohi: If you just edit the file /etc/group and add a comma and your new user name to the end of each line that contains the original user name.
[16:08] <mohanohi> fat 32
[16:08] <gnu_d> sipior: I'll change to dolphin then ]:).
[16:08] <Chousuke> mohanohi: ANYthing.
[16:08] <sipior> gnu_d: then i'd have a look to see if a bug has been filed, although i haven't heard of anything like that biting a lot of people. you might be stuck going back to the earlier version.
[16:08] <Chousuke> usr13: NO.
[16:08] <sipior> gnu_d: dolphin?
[16:09] <usr13> Chousuke: Why not?
[16:09] <sipior> Chousuke: dude, chill.
[16:09] <Chousuke> usr13: do not encourage users to directly edit system files. it's dangerous.
[16:09] <Voltaplein> Hi  -- question about ifdown and ifup.  if I enter "ifdown eth0" I get the message: "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" which is not true according to the command "ifconfig eth0".  Is this a bug?
[16:09] <usr13> mohanohi: And after that, just log out and back in again.
[16:09] <gnu_d> sipior: it's the official KDE file-browser, there is an option in gconf-editor to set which file-browser to start in Gnome.
[16:09] <Chousuke> mohanohi: I'm going to ask you to use terminal, but that's because I have no idea how to do this using the GUI :)
[16:09] <digitalhighway> I have ubuntu 8.04 running on my dell laptop - What would be the best rss reader for this operating system?
[16:10] <Chousuke> mohanohi: open a terminal and type "id" and press enter
[16:10] <Chousuke> mohanohi: then tell me what it says
[16:10] <mohanohi> right.. uid=1000(mohan) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),107(fuse),110(lpadmin),116(netdev),119(admin),124(sambashare)
[16:10] <Chousuke> uh
[16:10] <Chousuke> why is your gid 0 :/
[16:10] <mohanohi> dont know..
[16:10] <Chousuke> did you use sudo?
[16:11] <mohanohi> nope..
[16:11] <Chousuke> okay, so not that.
[16:11] <sipior> gnu_d: half a moment: which file browser are you trying to use? you're logged into gnome, yes?
[16:11] <digitalhighway> what's a good rss reader for linux
[16:11] <sipior> gnu_d: ah wait, i see what you meant.
[16:11] <mohanohi> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[16:11] <gnu_d> sipior: are kidding me ?
[16:11] <Scunizi> digitalhighway: liferea
[16:11] <Chousuke> mohanohi: the command without sudo was fine :)
[16:11] <gnu_d> sipior: sorry I got a headache
[16:11] <mohanohi> ok..
[16:11] <sipior> gnu_d: no, i simply didn't understand what you wrote
[16:11] <Chousuke> mohanohi: but that looks correct, so :/
[16:12] <Picassotamus> mohanohi: You may have an unclean unmount on there.. look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB, and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TestingStorageMedia
[16:12] <digitalhighway> thanks
[16:12] <Chousuke> mohanohi: now do "ls -l /dev/sd*" and put the output in pastebin somewhere
[16:12] <quibbler> digitalhighway: pan
[16:12] <mohanohi> ok Picassotamus, i will try..
[16:12] <m3gaman> !rss
[16:12] <sipior> quibbler: pan does rss now?
[16:13] <Picassotamus> mohanohi: You can check for "FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1) " in System Log or use dmesg from ternimal if you want
[16:13] <Chousuke> mohanohi: actually, do what Picassotamus suggested first :)
[16:13] <gnu_d> sipior: ow, I forgot, there is a "sudo: unable to resolve host xxx"
[16:13] <quibbler> sorry i raed news reader ...i'm tired!
[16:13] <QQQ> when I move whateverApp to my external hd and run: ln -s media/externaldrive/usr/whateverApp /usr/whateverApp how will the updates on whateverApp behave?
[16:14] <Chousuke> QQQ: you shouldn't do that.
[16:14] <QQQ> why?
[16:14] <Chousuke> QQQ: /usr/ belongs to the package manager. you shouldn't mess with it manually unless you know exactly what you're doing
[16:14] <QQQ> Chousuke I need to free some space somehow...
[16:15] <BeBoo_> what is the purpose of an LVM and is it needed?
[16:15] <Chousuke> QQQ: for starters run "apt-cache clean" :)
[16:15] <QQQ> Chousuke and moving/installing apps too my external drivve was a great solution (i thought)
[16:15] <Chousuke> QQQ: it's not really so easy.
[16:15] <QQQ> Chousuke did that :) but I have 5gb only on my ssd
[16:15] <toddoon> i have crashed my X server after manipulating compiz manager how do i start a X session without compiz i have removed .compiz but it runs compiz
[16:15] <Chousuke> QQQ: /usr usually doesn't take that much space anyway
[16:16] <Chousuke> QQQ: anyway, moving stuff there is possible, but not with simple symlinks.
[16:16] <Chousuke> or at least, that's not very robust.
[16:17] <Guest72276> hello
[16:17] <QQQ> Chousuke the diskspace analyser does show 3,5gb of 6,3GB used. I wonder what the rest is
[16:17] <Chousuke> QQQ: however, if you did that you would be unable to use the system without the external drive.
[16:17] <QQQ> Chousuke that sucked...
[16:18] <Chousuke> QQQ: you might want to look for big files in /home perhaps and move them to the external drive?
[16:18] <Chousuke> QQQ: or remove some packages you don't need :)
[16:18] <vernet> hey... does anyone know how to disable panning via the mouse when using a virtual resolution?
[16:18] <erUSUL> "lvm | BeBoo_
[16:18] <arussel> the "monitor resolution settings" offer as max resolution 1360x768, mine should be 1600x900. How can I add it ?
[16:18] <erUSUL> !lvm | BeBoo_
[16:18] <Yownanymous> vernet: Dunno if you can...
[16:19] <Chousuke> QQQ: you still have 2GB of free space, which is plenty.
[16:19] <Picassotamus> !resolution > arussel
[16:19] <Chousuke> QQQ: don't worry about it too much :)
[16:19] <Chousuke> QQQ: just store big files on the external drive.
[16:19] <QQQ> Chousuke: no i have 150mb left
[16:19] <Chousuke> ah. hmm
[16:19] <Yownanymous> QQQ: Ouch
[16:19] <mchelen> arussel, what is your video card
[16:20] <donjuanluis07> usr13: ok got it from synaptec BUT now what?  is this command line only? or is there a gui?
[16:20] <kedare> Hi, somebody know what is the "Cached memory" ? that use 50% of all my memory on my ubuntu-server
[16:20] <vernet> Yownanymous, I think I've done it before a really long time ago, but I can't remember how :-/
[16:20] <kedare> (look here: http://kedare.free.fr/Dist/mem-cached.png)
[16:20] <Chousuke> QQQ: try removing some packages?
[16:21] <Chousuke> using synaptic.
[16:21] <usr13> donjuanluis07: 2vcard is a Perl script to convert an addressbook to the popular VCARD file format. It can convert addresses for mutt, pine, mh, juno, Eudora, and ldif.   I need most of my apps (all bigger ones are uninstalled by now)
[16:21] <Yownanymous> Linux is apparently less organised than Windows
[16:21] <Chousuke> QQQ: anyway, I strongly recommend against doing anything weird with /usr; just try to find out where the space is going.
[16:21] <mohanohi> if i mount /dev/sdd1 it shows mount: only root can mount /dev/sdd1 on /media/sdd1
[16:21] <Yownanymous> apparently having lib and bin folders is too difficult for the poor guys' brains...
[16:21] <arussel> Picassotamus: thanks
[16:22] <Chousuke> mohanohi: try gnome-mount
[16:22] <Chousuke> or is it gvfs-mount
[16:22] <Picassotamus> arussel: Found your answer then I gather... np :)
[16:22] <QQQ> Chousuke: okey. to bad I can't make use of my 40GB external for apps (dont have many (big-)files)
[16:22] <mohanohi> Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount
[16:22] <Chousuke> QQQ: if you have most of your bigger apps uninstalled then /usr/ really shouldn't be taking more than 2 GB :/
[16:23] <toddoon> i have crashed my X server after manipulating compiz manager how do i start a X session without compiz i have removed .compiz but it runs compiz
[16:23] <Chousuke> QQQ: make sure you don't have anything big in /tmp/?
[16:23] <Voltaplein> Hi  -- question about ifdown and ifup.  if I enter "ifdown eth0" I get the message: "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" which is not true according to the command "ifconfig eth0".  Is this a bug?
[16:24] <QQQ> Chousuke: oh, stupid I'll check that now (but did it some time ago)
[16:24] <QQQ> Chousuke: tmp is 2,5 mb
[16:24] <Chousuke> okay, so not there
[16:24] <QQQ> Chousuke: /usr/ is 2,5 GB
[16:24] <Chousuke> how big is /home?
[16:25] <Chousuke> QQQ: that sounds okay for /usr
[16:25] <sim-value> why dont you use Disk usage analyzer ?
[16:25] <Chousuke> so the rest of your space is going somewhere else.
[16:25] <QQQ> Chousuke: 550 says  the diskspacemanager/explorer
[16:25] <QQQ> Chousuke for home
[16:25] <Chousuke> that's quite a lot.
[16:25] <arussel> Picassotamus: not yet
[16:25] <Picassotamus> QQQ: What sim-value said... its a nice tool
[16:25] <Greatucker> anybody here want to help me debug a problem
[16:26] <Picassotamus> arussel: You wanted to get a higher resolution than what was listed?
[16:26] <BeBoo_> thank you, erUSUL
[16:26] <QQQ> sim-value: I use it: showing me 3,5 of 6 used GB
[16:26] <erUSUL> BeBoo_: no problem
[16:27] <Picassotamus> !anyone | Greatucker
[16:27] <Greatucker> installing ubuntu from the disk and only getting a terminal prompt and no GUI
[16:27] <Greatucker> thats my  bug or problem
[16:28] <arussel> Picassotamus: yes. I want to add 1600x900 resolution. I tried  xrandr --addmode 1600x900
[16:28] <Chousuke> QQQ: if it's showing 3.5, how come you have only 150MB left?
[16:28] <Greatucker> im installing the latest edition thats stable of ubuntu and installing it for CSS server in my basement the computer is stable
[16:28] <QQQ> It says 3,5GB for / and used spac 6,o of 6,3GB
[16:29] <Greatucker> and meets minimum requirements
[16:29] <Chousuke> QQQ: that doesn't quite make sense :/
[16:29] <arussel> what is a mode ? I get what is an output, a resolution . and xrandr shows the resolutions for per output. Where is hte mode ,
[16:29] <arussel> s/,/?
[16:29] <Chousuke> QQQ: what does df -h tell you?
[16:29] <evilfix> Greatucker: try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[16:29] <QQQ> Chousuke: yeah...
[16:30] <Greatucker> ok one second im right now running this through firefox the FMware on ubuntu 64bit edition
[16:30] <QQQ> Chousuke: /dev/sdb5             6,4G  5,9G  146M  98% /
[16:30] <Greatucker> pain in the neck
[16:30] <QQQ> Chousuke: and some minor 0% or 1% things
[16:31] <Greatucker> alrighty  one second neeed to run down staris
[16:31] <Chousuke> QQQ: are there by chance any big files in / for whatever reason? :P
[16:31] <Picassotamus> arussel: Does xrandr show you the resolution you need?
[16:31] <sim-value> somebody knows howto update nexuiz manually ? with the patch ?
[16:31] <QQQ> Chousuke: no, only 2 making 10mb
[16:32] <Chousuke> QQQ: run du -sh /*
[16:32] <Chousuke> takes a while
[16:32] <Chousuke> (does not need root)
[16:32] <QQQ> Chousuke: I c :)
[16:32] <outlier> Is there an app out there that can reposition your open windows to tile them or some such?
[16:32] <h4ckluserr> like the equivalent to macs Expose?
[16:33] <arussel> Picassotamus: no. I tried to add it:  xrandr --newmode 1600x900 60 but it doesn't accept it.
[16:33] <sebsebseb>
[16:33] <outlier> I'm not familiar with Expose - just something to get things to be non-overlapping
[16:33] <Chousuke> QQQ: du just counts diskspace, it's nothing malicious :)
[16:33] <h4ckluserr> Are you using compiz-fusion?
[16:33] <Chousuke> you might get some permission denied stuff but you can ignore them.
[16:33] <outlier> h4ckluserr: yup
[16:34] <QQQ> Chousuke: takes a while..
[16:34] <Greatucker> is it bad to be running a server on a computer thats 4-10 years old
[16:34] <Chousuke> QQQ: yeah.
[16:34] <Chousuke> QQQ: it goes through everything on your disk :P
[16:34] <Greatucker> but its stable never crashes
[16:35] <Greatucker> oh nvm
[16:35] <m3gaman> Greatucker:: Not at all
[16:35] <h4ckluserr> nah, it's no issue, as long as the machine is stable
[16:35] <Picassotamus> arussel: Now you may need to add that mode to your output, u could try xrandr --addmode VGA 1600x1400 ( or whatever you need )
[16:35] <QQQ> Chousuke: 2,4G	/root; 2,6G	/usr
[16:35] <kranny_> hi
[16:35] <Chousuke> QQQ: /root is huge :|
[16:36] <outlier> h4ckluserr: Even some way of telling a window where to open itself in the launcher or script would do the job.
[16:36] <Chousuke> QQQ: go see what it contains
[16:36] <Chousuke> QQQ: it's root's home dir; it should be a few KB at most.
[16:36] <QQQ> Chousuke: nautillus shows nothing
[16:36] <Chousuke> QQQ: ls -la /root/
[16:36] <Chousuke> -lah actually
[16:36] <Chousuke> easier to see the sizes
[16:37] <arussel> Picassotamus: xrandr: cannot find mode "1600x1400"
[16:37] <QQQ> Chousuke: -rw-------  1 root root  256 2009-01-09 01:17 .pulse-cookie
[16:37] <h4ckluserr> outlier: I can't think of anything off my head, I thought CF had a plugin that did just that
[16:37] <QQQ> Chousuke: is that a huge file?
[16:37] <Chousuke> QQQ: nah
[16:37] <Yownanymous> argh, WINDOWS TROLLS!!!
[16:38] <kranny_> hi
[16:38] <Yownanymous> RUN!!!
[16:38] <Chousuke> QQQ: it's in blocks.
[16:38] <Yownanymous> :P
[16:38] <arussel> and to create a new mode I need to add a lot of info I don't have
[16:38] <Chousuke> QQQ: use ls -lah to see sizes in KB/MB/GB
[16:38] <Greatucker> has anyone seen heavymetal the movie?
[16:38] <Yownanymous> I've never seen something so stupid, claiming Windows is more secure than Linux...
[16:38] <Chousuke> QQQ: if there are any subdirectories in /root/, check them too
[16:38] <h4ckluserr> ee gads really?
[16:38] <outlier> h4ckluserr: Not that I've found so far.
 Need a small help regarding some text
[16:39] <Greatucker> windows more secure(starts laughing
[16:39] <m3gaman> you mean windows isn't more secure?
[16:39] <Yownanymous> kranny_: ?
 http://jntucea.ac.in/1.txt
[16:39] <Greatucker> no it is not
[16:39] <Picassotamus> arussel: Did you try that w/ 1600x1900? I just put 1600x1400 cos i couldn't remember what you were going for
[16:39] <m3gaman> lol
[16:39] <QQQ> Chousuke: http://paste.ubuntu.com/129826/
[16:39] <Yownanymous> hang on a sec
[16:39] <m3gaman> I kid I kid
[16:39] <Greatucker> lol
[16:39] <Yownanymous> WTF is that?
[16:39] <m3gaman> could only be serious for a second before I started lol
 someone send it to decode that text
[16:39] <Yownanymous> hmm
[16:39] <Picassotamus> arussel: err 1600x900
[16:40] <Yownanymous> good luck lol
[16:40] <Greatucker> i mean ive never gotten a virus malware or anything if i use linux
[16:40] <Yownanymous> I've never gotten a virus on Windows mind, it's called being careful
[16:40] <m3gaman> does anyone here even run an AV solution on their linux box
[16:40] <h4ckluserr> bingo!
[16:40] <Greatucker> well yes
[16:40] <Yownanymous> but I would be SERIOUSLY less likely to get a linux virus
[16:40] <Chousuke> QQQ: taht doesn't tell much... hm
[16:40] <Greatucker> AV solution
[16:40] <Yownanymous> m3gaman: I use AVG
[16:41] <Greatucker> i use nod32
 :Can you just throw some light on atleast what it is
[16:41] <sipior> m3gaman: sure, although that's generally to disinfect mail being handled by the linux box...
[16:41] <Chousuke> QQQ: do ls -lahR /root/ next
[16:41] <Chousuke> QQQ: recursive :/
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> I sometimes install clamAV, when I can be bothered
[16:41] <Yownanymous> to tell the truth, I'm actually using Windows right now
[16:41] <sim-value> anybody knows where nexuiz data goes ?
[16:41] <BeBoo_> i use clam
[16:41] <Greatucker> calm isnt bad but i dont like its like of functionality
[16:41] <Greatucker> clam**
[16:41] <Yownanymous> I use Clamwin on Windows, which unfortunately is my main OS :(
[16:41] <QQQ> Chousuke: oh, thats loads of output
[16:41] <Chousuke> QQQ: yeah, it is
[16:42] <Chousuke> QQQ: but pastebin saves :)
[16:42] <Yownanymous> it's become increasingly tempting to format the drive...
[16:42] <Yownanymous> kranny_: Got no idea
[16:42] <Greatucker> same here dude im windows32bit mediacenter 2005
[16:42] <Chousuke> QQQ: you can redirect to a file if it's too much
[16:42] <Chousuke> QQQ: do ls -lahR /root/ > output.file
[16:42] <h4ckluserr> Yownanymous, why would you format?
[16:42] <Yownanymous> h4ckluserr: so I could install Linux!
[16:42] <Greatucker> but i have a partion on the computer to ubuntu64bit
[16:42] <Yownanymous> cause I have a small hard drive...
[16:43] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: Windows as a main OS?  what why?
[16:43] <Greatucker> LOL
[16:43] <Yownanymous> sebsebseb: came with the PC, haven't really bothered doing Linux and dual booting and such
[16:43] <h4ckluserr> are you familiar with linux? or just dabbling?
[16:43] <Greatucker> anybody know if VMware is really good
[16:43] <Yownanymous> h4ckluserr: familiar
[16:43] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: maybe you can just get rid of Windows :)  depending on what you want to use your computer for
[16:43] <Yownanymous> Greatucker: VMWare is good
[16:43] <Geek`N`Proud> Greatucker: depends what version and what OS you plan to run in it
[16:43] <h4ckluserr> Greatucker: I use VMWare all the time on my Mac, I love it
[16:43] <Yownanymous> well the only thing I'd really miss is one game and shockwave
[16:44] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: or just run Windows fine inside  a virtual machine inside Ubuntu, as long as you don't want to say 3D game, and have enough RAM, how much do you have?  I guess at least 1GB so fine for the vm
[16:44] <Yownanymous> I have at least a gig
[16:44] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: Macromedia Shockwave works on Linux through Wine
[16:44] <Yownanymous> Geek`N`Proud: not very well admittedly
[16:44] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: shockwave well that will work fine in a vm
[16:45] <Yownanymous> sebsebseb: yeah, I'm gonna be using PUD through a virtual machine inside Windows...
[16:45] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: VirtualBox runs Windows 2000/XP/Vista better than VMWare Server (if you're looking to avoid paying)
[16:45] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: what's PUD?
[16:45] <Yownanymous> yeah I like virtualbox
[16:45] <h4ckluserr> If it's a space issue yownanymous, why not grab a real lightweight distro, DSL or Puppy?
[16:45] <Yownanymous> PUD's a teeny linux distro based on ubuntu
[16:45] <Greatucker> ok here are some tech specs amdathalon 64X2 runnning 3.0GHZ 4GB 800MHz ram and The geforce 260 graphics card
[16:45] <Yownanymous> with LXDE
[16:45] <Yownanymous> cause I hate DSL and Puppy...
[16:45] <Yownanymous> with a passion
[16:45] <h4ckluserr> ok, as said...  PDL run's really fast as well
[16:46] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: Directx 10  games suppourt coming soon in Codeweavers  Games by the way
[16:46] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: what Windows version by the way?
[16:46] <Yownanymous> Codeweavers?!? The bunch of scammers that take from Wine and don't give back?!?
[16:46] <Yownanymous> Geek`N`Proud: XP
[16:46] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: they power wine
[16:46] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: no that's Cedega
[16:46] <h4ckluserr> I dumped Cedega when I had more luck running Steam in Wine than Cedega
[16:46] <Yownanymous> home edition, SP3
[16:46] <Greatucker> xp nice
[16:46] <QQQ> Chousuke:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/129829/
[16:46] <Chousuke> Yownanymous: Um, codeweavers sponsors wine development.
[16:46] <Greatucker> i hate vista
[16:47] <Greatucker> resource hog
[16:47] <freedumMan> does anyone know why rsync in ubuntu would not copy hidden files? I'm using rsync -avz which works on any other distro?
[16:47] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: VMWare Server does not work on XP Home
[16:47] <Yownanymous> I'm not planning on using VMWare server...
[16:47] <Greatucker> try sudo
[16:47] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: VMWare Workstation costs money though
[16:47] <Yownanymous> well I could just use virtualbox or qtemu
[16:47] <Geek`N`Proud> and using Workstation to create a VM then Player from there on in sucks
[16:47] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: how much hard disk space do you have?
[16:47] <h4ckluserr> why would you pay for a solution when perfectly good, free apps exist
[16:47] <Chousuke> QQQ: root's trash is full of files!
[16:47] <Yownanymous> sebsebseb: just over 8 gigs
[16:48] <QQQ> Chousuke: how comes?
[16:48] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: I woudn't normalley recommend it, but  you could do wubi, and  have  Ubuntu like that,  yes it puts it inside a part of your NTFS file system
[16:48] <Chousuke> QQQ: I have no idea
[16:48] <Yownanymous> I do like wubi
[16:48] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: and then you won't run Windows and Ubuntu at the same time
[16:48] <Greatucker> ok how much performance do you loose using windows inside a linux box through VMWare
[16:48] <Greatucker> on a high performance machine
[16:48] <QQQ> Chousuke: hmkay, so I will just emtpy the trash as root?
[16:48] <Chousuke> QQQ: try doing "sudo -rm -rf /root/.local/share/Trash/files"
[16:48] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: about 1GB for a clean install of Ubuntu
[16:48] <Geek`N`Proud> Greatucker: under what load?
[16:48] <Yownanymous> Greatucker: depends how much RAM it's allocated
[16:48] <h4ckluserr> Wubi was probably the best thing that happened to Linux in awhile, in fact, I use it for it's simplicity
[16:48] <Chousuke> QQQ: will free 800MB :)
[16:48] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: partitning is better usualley, but maybe not in your case
[16:48] <Greatucker> CRysis
[16:48] <sebsebseb> Yownanymous: 8GB seems a bit rubbishey to give to LInux, even though you could do a lot with 8GB
[16:49] <Yownanymous> sebsebseb: I think Wubi is a miracle
[16:49] <Chousuke> QQQ: no,  actually. a lot more :P
[16:49] <Chousuke> QQQ: did you log in as root at some point? :/
[16:49] <nameless`> how many times a n810 battery is supposed to live with wifi and online stream radio turn on ?
[16:49] <nyad> hi what files must I edit in ubuntu to configure my network? i need to do this via CLI, so no gui tools.   /etc/hosts and that other files?
[16:49] <Geek`N`Proud> Wubi isn't that great.. alternatives have existed for ages :|
[16:50] <sebsebseb> h4ckluserr: Wubi is really for noobs that can't partition their hard disk, or are to afraid to
[16:50] <Yownanymous> more linux distros need to introduce a wubi-type solution
[16:50] <Chousuke> QQQ: oh damn
[16:50] <nyad> i just need the file names
[16:50] <nameless`> because mine was empty after about 5h
[16:50] <Yownanymous> Geek`N`Proud: what alternatives?!?
[16:50] <Chousuke> QQQ: I just realised my rm command was wrong :)
[16:50] <BeBoo_> do i need to worry about these highlighted lines? http://pastebin.com/df517f52
[16:50] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: the Debian Windows-based Installer
[16:50] <Chousuke> QQQ: it's "sudo rm -rf /root/.local/share/Trash/files"
[16:50] <Yownanymous> that partitions thoughh
[16:50] <sipior> freedumMan: it works on ubuntu 8.10 as well (i just tested it on my machine). maybe a mistyped command?
[16:50] <h4ckluserr> sebsebseb: forgive me saying, but that sounded like a shot.  I dont' feel the need for using tools if it can be done for me
[16:50] <Yownanymous> well
[16:50] <QQQ> Chousuke: a allready wondered and wanted to do it with a sudo nautilus
[16:50] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: yes but the Guided option will let you resize.. which won't hurt
[16:50] <Chousuke> QQQ: don't use sudo with GUI apps
[16:51] <Chousuke> QQQ: it messes up things.
[16:51] <Chousuke> QQQ: use gksudo instead
[16:51] <Yownanymous> Geek`N`Proud: but I'm also scared of bootloaders, how do I get my XP bootloader back if I want to get rid of Linux?
[16:51] <Geek`N`Proud> stuff like Wubi encourages people to be lazy with learning how to use a PC
[16:51] <Greatucker> gksudo?
[16:51] <Chousuke> Greatucker: gnome's sudo tool
[16:51] <sebsebseb> h4ckluserr: partitning tends to be better, after all what if a Windows install buggers up properly, (which is likely since it's Windows) where someone did wubi, then Ubuntu buggers up as well
[16:51] <Geek`N`Proud> Yownanymous: easy.. fixmbr and fixboot
[16:51] <QQQ> ok
[16:51] <eule3> hi, is there a german support room?