[06:07] <kfogel> Anyone here who can do UI review?
[10:43] <allenap> henninge: I can't see a review on the queue for you, so I'll do jpds's now.
[10:44] <henninge> allenap: oh sorry, that entry is stale. But I am currently preparing a new MP, so I'll keep my spot in the queue ... ;)
[10:46] <allenap> henninge: Cool.
[11:45] <allenap> I have not made any progress with jpds's review yet.
[11:50] <adeuring> beuno: could you have a look at kfogel's recent screenshots for the +patches view ( https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/506018-patch-report/+merge/18181 ) ?
[11:52] <beuno> adeuring, sure, I'll do it now
[11:53] <adeuring> beuno: thanks! I've added links to karl's recent screenshots in a comment
[11:56] <beuno> adeuring, thank you for that
[12:07] <beuno> adeuring, done
[12:07] <adeuring> beuno: thanks!
[12:11] <henninge> allenap: my mp is ready now but I will go to lunch. We can talk later. ;-) Thanks.
[12:15] <jpds> allenap: Here's a screenshot of my changes: http://people.canonical.com/~jpds/2010-02-03-121355_1280x800_scrot.png
[12:19] <allenap> jpds: I'm really sorry, I haven't looked at your branch at all; I got stuck on other things. Assuming it lp:~jpds/launchpad/fix_361650, then I think you should go back to the reviewers who've already seen it. In this case you'll need to talk to noodles775 and sinzui. I suspect sinzui1 will not be available much this week, so I can try to step in for him if you would like.
[12:20] <jpds> It was ~jpds/launchpad/mirror_pages_v3
[12:21] <jpds> allenap: Actually, it looks like sinzui1 has claimed the review, I'll leave it with him.
[12:21] <allenap> jpds: Ah ha, well that's a different kettle of fish altogether :)
[12:23] <allenap> jpds: It wasn't appearing on the view I use because it didn't have a review request for me or a team I'm in. I've added it, and I'll do it after lunch. Sadly, I cannot do UI reviews, but several people can, for example intellectronica and noodles775.
[12:24] <jpds> allenap: fix_361650 needs, err, fixing, which I'll do later on. :)
[12:26] <allenap> jpds: Hehe :) I'm going out now, but I'll be back in <2h, and other reviewers may turn up too, so one way or another your branch will be reviewed today.
[12:50]  * henninge is back
[14:16] <abentley> allenap, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/ampoule-0.1.1/+merge/18481 ?
[14:31] <allenap> abentley: Sure, sounds interesting :) I have jpds's to do first, but I don't think it will take long.
[14:32] <abentley> allenap, thanks.
[15:37] <intellectronica> who wants a review?
[15:37] <intellectronica> allenap: do you really have 3 more in the queue?
[15:38] <allenap> intellectronica: Yeah, I've been stuck on trying to get the production-devel builder to work, so please talk to henninge. Thank you.
[15:39] <intellectronica> are you suggesting that i talk to henninge about reviewing my branch?
[15:39] <henninge> lol
[15:39] <intellectronica> i'm not sure i can offer my help with reviews just now, if that's what you meant. sorry.
[15:40] <henninge> intellectronica: if your's is not too big, we can trade reviews ...
[15:40]  * henninge goes to look how big his is ....
[15:40] <intellectronica> henninge: mine is 154 lines, and most of that boring test updates
[15:41] <henninge> intellectronica: ok,  mine is 217, not quite as trivial. You chose ... ;-)
[15:43] <intellectronica> henninge: i'll review your branch
[15:43] <intellectronica> just creating an MP now
[15:44]  * gmb reads scrollback.
[15:44] <gmb> Ah.
[15:44] <intellectronica> henninge: this is a bit urgent, so i'm assuming you can do it immediately. if you can't, please tell me and i'll find another reviewer
[15:44] <gmb> allenap: I'll take a wild stab and guess that the chances of you getting through that queue this afternoon are very low
[15:44] <gmb> allenap: Want me to take jpds's branch, since intellectronica's already taking care of henninge's?
[15:44] <henninge> intellectronica: going right to it
[15:44] <allenap> intellectronica: Oh right, I got the wrong end of the stick.
[15:46] <intellectronica> henninge: wonderful. thanks a lot for offering this review. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/sort-by-patch-age/+merge/18531
[15:46] <intellectronica> henninge: do you have an MP for your branch?
[15:47] <henninge> intellectronica: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-515680-status/+merge/18517
[15:47] <henninge> intellectronica: thanks
[15:47] <intellectronica> henninge: cool, i'm on it
[15:48] <allenap> gmb: Yes please, that would be awesome. Thank you indeedy.
[15:50] <gmb> allenap: I'm on it.
[15:51] <intellectronica> oh wow, looks like MPs now generate the correct diff if you include a dependent branch
[15:51] <intellectronica> i lurve launchpad code!
[15:51] <intellectronica> rockstar: ^^^^^
[15:56] <henninge> intellectronica: I am not familiar with the patch report. Do you have an example? Is it on edge already?
[15:57] <intellectronica> henninge: i'm not sure it's on edge already. you can give it a try by going to launchpad.dev/product-name/+patches
[15:57] <intellectronica> but it's only interesting if there are some bugs with patches in the project
[15:58] <henninge> I figured ... ;)
[16:01] <intellectronica> henninge: sorry, hard as i tried i could not find even a single flaw in your branch
[16:01] <intellectronica> i'm afraid i'll have to approve it
[16:01] <intellectronica> maybe next time
[16:01] <henninge> rats, now I have to land it!
[16:01] <henninge> ;-)
[16:01] <henninge> intellectronica: thanks!
[16:02] <henninge> intellectronica: what's with the leading "-" on the orderby values? Is it to indicate inverse ordering?
[16:05] <intellectronica> henninge: exactly
[16:05] <intellectronica> it's the same format that is used on bug searches. a bit funny, i know
[16:06] <henninge> intellectronica: consistency is cool
[16:07] <henninge> intellectronica: but not all possible orderings are allowed, right?
[16:09] <henninge> intellectronica: ok, got it now. The value is coming from a drop-down list, so the choices are limited.
[16:09] <henninge> I was thinking of table headers with little arrows ... ;-)
[16:10] <henninge> intellectronica: now that I understood it, I had to approve it. ;-)
[16:11] <intellectronica> henninge: fanks!
[16:17] <EdwinGrubbs> gmb: are you looking for someone to review your process apport blob job branch?
[16:17] <gmb> EdwinGrubbs: Yes.
[16:18] <gmb> EdwinGrubbs: Excellent, thank you :)
[16:18] <allenap> EdwinGrubbs: I just put your name down in the topic for gmb's branch, but I'm free too and very happy to take it if you want to do something else. I've been rather a negligent reviewer today.
[16:19]  * gmb notes he should *acutally read* the full "$foo has changed the topic..." notices
[16:20] <EdwinGrubbs> allenap: I can take it. Thanks for offering.
[17:10] <EdwinGrubbs> gmb: do you get any errors when you try to set _json_data to a str object instead of a unicode object?
[17:14] <gmb> EdwinGrubbs: Yeah, that's why I do the conversion.
[17:14] <gmb> I can't remember the exact error though. Hang on...
[17:16] <EdwinGrubbs> gmb: since launchpad doesn't override the default encoding unicode(foo) will raise an exception if foo contains any non ascii characters. You can decode utf-8 characters correctly with unicode(foo, 'utf-8')
[17:16] <gmb> EdwinGrubbs: Ah, good point.
[17:16] <gmb> Thanks.
[17:17] <gmb> EdwinGrubbs: Yeah, trying set _json_data to a str just gets me a TypeError.
[17:32] <EdwinGrubbs>  I don't think I'll be able to keep my composure if I read job_for_blob any more.
[17:44] <gmb> Hmm. A poor choice of var name, in hindsight...
[17:45] <gmb> Although it was nearly called blob_job.
[17:45] <gmb> Which is just too open to typos.
[19:44] <thekorn> hey, who wants to review a small string change in launchpadlib?  -  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/launchpadlib/add_tilde_to_url/+merge/18552
[21:34] <leonardr> thekorn: r=me


[09:41] <rmg51> Morning
[11:04] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[14:37] <InHisName> morning all
[16:13] <ChinnoDog> afternoon
[18:06] <InHisName> It's also a good one, too, ChinnoDog
[18:42] <jthan> I miss when this was like the most active LoCo around.
[18:42] <jthan> jedijf: y u kill vibes?
[18:53] <jedijf> jthan: not me ...look up - mojo marauders abound
[18:54] <jthan> lolwut
[18:56] <jthan> waltman: Graph theory.
[18:56] <jthan> jedijf: what's that supposed to mean?
[18:56] <waltman> jthan: It's all about graph theory.
[18:56] <jthan> waltman: Have you ever done any work with genome assembly on the compsci side of things? lol
[18:57] <waltman> I have not, no.
[18:57] <jthan> daww.
[18:57] <jthan> Finding people that have done that is apparently not as easy as I'd hoped.
[18:57] <jthan> We only have one lab on campus here that does it pretty heavily.
[18:57] <jthan> I JUST WANNA TAKE SOMEONE TO COFFEE AND LEARN A LITTLE
[18:58] <waltman> oh, you want to learn?
[18:58] <jthan> I do.
[18:58] <jthan> I have a bunch of yeast genomes that don't match up to the references
[18:58] <jthan> I'm trying to take the 40% that doesn't match up and somehow get it to align/piece it together/find genes
[18:59] <jthan> There are a lot of programs that do this in part, and some are even open source, but they're only as good as what you give them..
[18:59] <waltman> Isn't that what BLAST does?
[18:59] <jthan> So I need to find a way to script finding some kind of patterns and getting some possibilities
[18:59] <jthan> Sort of.. BLAST is kind of rudimentary at this point
[19:00] <jthan> It only looks at local regions of DNA
[19:00] <jthan> whereas I'm working with a full genome
[19:00] <waltman> there are roughly a zillion things in the bioperl package, but I've never used any of them
[19:00] <jthan> and it looks specifically for a certain type of similarity.
[19:00] <jthan> yeah - I have been reading some of the docs on bioperl
[19:00] <jthan> A lot of people just rely on Python it seems
[19:00] <waltman> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/combinatorial-pattern-matching-algorithms-in-computational-biology-using-perl-and-r-gabriel-valiente/1101538438?cm_mmc=googlepla-_-textbook_instock_75up_pt99-_-q000000633-_-9781420069730&ean=9781420069730&isbn=9781420069730&kpid=9781420069730&r=1 ?
[19:01] <waltman> http://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Strings-Trees-Sequences-Computational/dp/0521585198 was the book I was really looking for
[19:01] <jthan> Oh nifty.
[19:01] <waltman> jthan: there's undoubtedly something in scipy for that
[19:01] <jthan> You use that book before?
[19:02] <waltman> I checked it out of Drexel's library one, but didn't have a need for it. Seemed good though.
[19:02] <jthan> I'll have to see if we have it, and if not get it from somewhere else.
[19:02] <waltman> What university are you at?
[19:02] <jthan> CU Boulder
[19:02] <waltman> ah
[19:02] <jthan> Working now under Robin Dowell
[19:04] <waltman> The only person I know of at Drexel who does that is Gail Rosen. Might be more, I don't know. And there's a bigger group over at upenn.
[19:04] <waltman> I work with images, not sequences.
[19:04] <jthan> I know a few people in bioinformatics at Brown, but they're currently all on an overseas trip together doing some kind of research.
[19:06] <jthan> Mostly just trying to get a headstart before they actually hand me the genome data
[19:06] <jthan> Trying to find which programs/libraries people have had the best results with
[19:06] <jthan> Maybe write a few of my own scripts to play around with.
[19:07] <jthan> http://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/python-for-bioinformatics/9780763751869/
[19:07] <jthan> Interesting
[19:08] <waltman> Are you coming at this from the bio end or the computer science end?
[19:08] <jthan> Well... I'm more educated on the bio end, but I think initially I need to come at it more so from the computer science end.
[19:10] <waltman> CS folks tend to not know what a protein is.
[19:10] <jthan> :-p I've learned that the hard way.


[01:42] <emgent> @now rome
[01:50] <no0tic> @now
[01:50] <emgent> :D
[03:26] <emgent> @now rome
[03:26] <emgent> @schedule rome
[04:24] <RoAkSoAx> @now
[04:25] <RoAkSoAx> @schedule
[04:59] <LaserJock> well
[04:59] <LaserJock> should we get on with it?
[04:59] <TheMuso> 2 mins by my clock here.
[04:59] <TheMuso> 1 min
[04:59] <LaserJock> ah, I have 2 after here
[04:59] <persia_> Any volunteers to chair?
[04:59]  * ajmitch is just here for the LaserJock fan club
[05:00] <LaserJock> do we have the fancy bot in here andymore?
[05:00] <ajmitch> not that I can see
[05:00] <LaserJock> I can chair but I don't know how to use the bot
[05:00] <TheMuso> Damn bots, we become too dependant on them.
[05:00] <persia_> That's OK.  There's no bot.  Are you sure you want to both chair and have all the agenda items?
[05:00] <ajmitch> they'll take over one day
[05:01] <LaserJock> persia_: then you chair :-)
[05:01] <persia_> Bah.
[05:01] <TheMuso> I can chair if you'd like.
[05:01] <persia_> Welcome to the MOTU Meeting for 9th May 2008.
[05:01] <ajmitch> how about we hold a meeting on how to hold the MOTU meeting?
[05:01]  * TheMuso gets the agenda up.
[05:01] <persia_> The agenda is available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[05:02] <persia_> Who would be willing to handle minutes & announcements for the next meeting?
[05:02]  * TheMuso raises his hand.
[05:02] <persia_> TheMuso: Thank you.
[05:02] <persia_> OK.  First up, LaserJock re: Name/need for MOTU fan club?
[05:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:02] <LaserJock> so this is from our last meeting
[05:02] <ajmitch> state your rationale behind this suggestion
[05:03] <LaserJock> where we renamed ubuntu-universe-contributors to revu-uploaders
[05:03] <LaserJock> some people thought we should have an open team for people who wish to associate with MOTU can join
[05:04] <RAOF> So people can LP badge hunt?
[05:04] <ajmitch> so that they can feel involved?
[05:04] <ajmitch> this team would have no functional purpose then?
[05:04] <LaserJock> it's purpose is to help people find "identity"
[05:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not presently no
[05:04] <persia_> Badge hunting / feeling involved sounds clearer than "fan club" to me.
[05:04] <RAOF> Very much so.
[05:04] <ajmitch> so this would come before the team that grants ubuntu membership which is prior to upload rights?
[05:04] <LaserJock> persia_: yeah, I just threw it up there
[05:04] <lifeless> badge hunting is a time honoured wow tradition
[05:05] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yep
[05:05] <ajmitch> team proliferation
[05:06] <RAOF> Yeah.  I don't really see how membership of an entirely open team maps to feeling involved in anything but a transient way.
[05:06] <LaserJock> sebner last time said he joined u-u-c just to gain some identity with the team
[05:07] <ajmitch> RAOF: like my involvement with MOTU? ;)
[05:07] <LaserJock> I've seen a few times where people have asked if they could join a team to get into MOTU
[05:07] <RAOF> I'd suggest hanging around in #u-motu is both a better way to feel involved and learn useful things at the same time.
[05:08] <LaserJock> RAOF: for sure, but that doesn't really say anything about a team
[05:08] <LaserJock> it's an orthogonal issue
[05:08] <TheMuso> Doesn't make sense to me.
[05:08] <LaserJock> persia_: thoughts?
[05:08] <RAOF> LaserJock: I thought the idea was to make people feel more involved?
[05:09] <ajmitch> anyone can create such a team, to be honest
[05:09] <LaserJock> RAOF: for people who see joining such a team, yes
[05:09]  * persia_ temporarily takes off the "chair" hat.
[05:09] <LaserJock> but it doesn't mean that joining #ubuntu-motu is any less important
[05:09] <ajmitch> that must be a heavy hat
[05:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's a small chair
[05:09] <persia_> Such a team might make sense, if there was a known purpose, and a clear demand.  I'm not sure there is value if there is no demand, and no known purposed
[05:10] <LaserJock> agreed for sure
[05:10] <RAOF> And that it's a distraction from a useful way to feel involved; ie: hang in #motu or join the motu list.
[05:10] <LaserJock> my agenda item is mostly a response to what sebner said last time
[05:11] <ajmitch> it would give people some way to say "I'm a foo!
[05:11] <ajmitch> "
[05:11] <ajmitch> but no more
[05:11] <LaserJock> well
[05:11] <ajmitch> fill in foo with the appropiate team member name
[05:11] <LaserJock> we currently have no good way of seeing who's associated with MOTU
[05:11] <LaserJock> in terms of new people
[05:12] <ajmitch> what does it mean to be associated?
[05:12] <ajmitch> are you looking at potential MOTUs?
[05:12] <ajmitch> revu-uploaders?
[05:12] <LaserJock> well, it shows interest
[05:12] <LaserJock> and potential for contribution
[05:13] <LaserJock> we'd surely get badge hunters
[05:13] <RAOF> What would we do with the knowledge of interest or potenital contribution?
[05:14] <ajmitch> I'm not opposed to the idea, I just don't see it being much use
[05:14] <ajmitch> maybe as a psychological stepping-stone into MOTU
[05:14] <bbyever> i think people show more interest when they join a channel or a mailling list than just a lp team
[05:14] <RAOF> I mean, that we wouldn't get by people popping up in #motu or on the motu list?
[05:15] <LaserJock> well, would it be worth an email to -motu asking if people are interested?
[05:15]  * persia_ redons hat
[05:15] <persia_> There doesn't seem to be much of either agreement or argument.
[05:15] <TheMuso> Maybe its something for the ML.
[05:15] <persia_> LaserJock: Could you put together a draft wiki page decsribing the potential team for representation at a future meeting?
[05:16] <persia_> (or the mailing list :) )
[05:16] <ajmitch> persia_: probably because it's such a non-intrusive change that it wouldn't mean much to us either way
[05:16] <LaserJock> persia_: I think an email would be best. I'm not sure a wiki page is going to do much right now
[05:16] <persia_> ajmitch: Perhaps, but my immediate concern is about finishing the agenda within an hour :)
[05:16] <ajmitch> well the next 2 items aren't too long, I'm sure :)
[05:16] <LaserJock> persia_: if we get lost of response I/we can do a wiki page for a formal proposal
[05:17] <persia_> LaserJock: Makes sense.  Anything else you want to add for this item, or shall we go to the next?
[05:17] <LaserJock> nah, I just wondered what people thought of the idea
[05:17] <LaserJock> I think we all pretty much agree
[05:17] <ajmitch> next item is fairly simple, I think
[05:17] <LaserJock> persia_: moving on?
[05:17] <persia_> OK.  Next item: LaserJock re: Require 7 day aging period in -proposed for SRUs?
[05:18] <LaserJock> ok
[05:18]  * persia_ doesn't always type sufficiently quickly
[05:18] <LaserJock> so our current SRU wiki page only says that verification requires 2 + votes and no - votes
[05:18] <ajmitch> If, as I've been told, archive admins require this anyway, then there's no reason not to sync MOTU SRU policy with what's expected by archive admins
[05:18] <LaserJock> however, the ArchiveAdmin page says that there is a 7-day aging period
[05:19]  * ajmitch lets LaserJock 'talk' :)
[05:19] <LaserJock> as a MOTU SRU member I think we should resolve the two for sure
[05:19] <LaserJock> and don't mind  7-day aging
[05:19] <ajmitch> ok, I agree, objections to the plan? :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> *however* I do see where we need to be able to have exceptions to that
[05:20] <TheMuso> IMO we sync with what main has.
[05:20] <TheMuso> Less confusing.
[05:20] <LaserJock> TheMuso: well, Main doesn't have it either
[05:20] <TheMuso> LaserJock: So you're saying we should have a 7 day aging period?
[05:20] <LaserJock> this is w.u.c/StableReleaseUpdates vs w.u.c/ArchiveAdministration
[05:21] <LaserJock> SRU has no 7 day aging, ArchiveAdmin does have it
[05:21] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:21] <persia_> From my reading of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings/2007-11-23, ~motu-sru may adjust the plan as required, at their will, so long as MOTU is notified of the changes.
[05:21] <LaserJock> and pitti says 7-days is his current SOP
[05:22] <RoAkSoAx> (sorry if its kinda late)  I would like to make a suggestion. If you create a team, so called a fan club, you should give that team special tasks so that they will feel more involved than just being part of a ML or being active on a #u-motu. That way, those team members will have some specifical things to work on and not just going around searching for things to do... For example, all those team members would work in certain type of bugs, maybe
[05:22] <RoAkSoAx>  only work on merges or things like that.
[05:24] <LaserJock> so
[05:24] <LaserJock> everybody think going with the 7-day aging is cool?
[05:24] <TheMuso> Yep.
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes, if that's archive admin or main sru policy.
[05:25] <persia_> Just to ensure consensus, I'd like there to be an ACK from one of jdong, imbrandon, or dktrkranz, although not necessarily in this meeting.
[05:26] <persia_> (unless you decide it's just an oversight by the last person to edit the page)
[05:26] <LaserJock> sure, I can email them
[05:26] <persia_> OK.  Anyone disagree with a 7-day aging period, or shall we move on?
[05:26] <LaserJock> well, I think perhaps the ArchiveAdmin page was just never updated
[05:27] <TheMuso> Move on IMO.
[05:27] <LaserJock> but I think it's reasonable and if that's the way they've been operating anyway
[05:27] <LaserJock> might as well get it written down for everybody
[05:27] <persia_> Next up: LaserJock with General thoughts on microrelease exceptions to "minimal diff" requirement for SRUs
[05:28] <LaserJock> ok, so the TB approved a process for having exceptions to the "minimal changes to fix the bug" rule for SRUs
[05:28] <persia_> Is there a link to the exception process?
[05:29] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[05:29] <LaserJock> basically, the TB approves packages that do stable branch microreleases
[05:30] <LaserJock> right now there is only firefox, thunderbird, and postgresql
[05:30] <LaserJock> I emaild the TB about the possibility of MOTU SRU doing the approval for Universe packages
[05:31] <ajmitch> which packages in universe do you think this may apply to?
[05:31] <LaserJock> well, often times gnome-related packages have a stable branching scheme
[05:31] <LaserJock> one I know personally is gchemutils
[05:32] <LaserJock> but perhaps glom, as we've been discussing with Murray Cummings about what to do there
[05:32] <RAOF> And a test suite?  Do we want to maintain that criterion?
[05:32] <ajmitch> so this suggestions is mainlly that the motu-sru team should petition the TB to be allowed to decide?
[05:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, the TB told me to liase with slangasek on the issue, which I'm working on
[05:33] <LaserJock> basically, given good enough testing it shouldn't be a big deal to do new uptream microreleases
[05:33] <ajmitch> ok, so what are you asking from us?
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, basically is this something you guys would like to see?
[05:34] <ajmitch> sure, if the packages involved are sane
[05:34] <LaserJock> I'm looking at things that might streamline the SRU process
[05:35] <RAOF> I don't touch many packages with a test suite, let alone one that's run during package build.  Are there many such packages in universe?
[05:35]  * ajmitch is not involved in the SRU process, so doesn't have much of opinion worth considering
[05:35] <persia_> (speaking only as myself): In addition to approved microrelease exceptions per-package, it may be interesting to look at selected microreleases by non-exempt packages where only a subset of the closed bugs would otherwise be considered suitable for SRU.
[05:35] <LaserJock> RAOF: I'm guessing a test suite would not be required.
[05:35] <RAOF> Right.  That'd be worth mentioning :)
[05:36] <LaserJock> RAOF: well, I haven't specifically thought of that
[05:36] <LaserJock> but the number of packages with test suites is pretty small
[05:36] <LaserJock> and Universe, in general, just isn't so strict
[05:37] <RAOF> Yeah.
[05:37] <TheMuso> Yeah I'd like this.
[05:37] <LaserJock> persia_: right
[05:37] <TheMuso> 5~/c
[05:37] <LaserJock> one thing I'm seeing in SRU is that we fix one bug at a time
[05:38] <LaserJock> if an upstream does a bug-fix-only release that fixes 5 bugs, one of them being an SRU bug, I think we're making things better
[05:38] <TheMuso> I agree.
[05:38] <RAOF> Absolutely.
[05:38] <LaserJock> I'm also looking at upstream testing
[05:39] <LaserJock> upstreams often are going to have more testing than we're going to be able to do in -proposed
[05:39] <LaserJock> so I sometimes worry about the potential for us to cause a regression/bug in cherry picking
[05:39] <ajmitch> trying to cut down on the number of "you all suck" blog posts after a release?
[05:39] <LaserJock> yes, that too :-)
[05:40] <LaserJock> we want to balance keeping user's systems stable with the need to get usptream fixes to users
[05:41] <LaserJock> in an ideal world they'd be the same thing
[05:41] <LaserJock> in any case
[05:41] <LaserJock> I just wanted to hear people's feelings on "opening" up a little more to upstream bug-fix-only releases
[05:42] <LaserJock> well, that and I thought we should have an agenda for tonight ;-)
[05:43]  * ajmitch is happy enough with the idea
[05:43]  * ajmitch is also not involved in approving such packages :)
[05:44] <LaserJock> on a somewhat side note, I think MOTU SRU is really kicking butt right now
[05:44] <TheMuso> Agreed.
[05:44] <persia_> Anyone else want to express an opinion about opening this right now?
[05:45] <RAOF> Nope.  I'm broadly in agreement.
[05:45] <persia_> OK.  LaserJock: Please continue keeping us all informed about SRU stuff.
[05:45] <persia_> Does anyone have any other business they would like discussed at today's MOTU Meeting?
[05:45] <LaserJock> yeah, I just don't want to ramrod things through without getting people's thoughts
[05:45]  * ajmitch can't wait to join the laserjock-fan-club team on LP
[05:46] <LaserJock> pfft
[05:47] <LaserJock> persia_: I think I'm good
[05:48] <persia_> Actually, I've one.  The next meeting is scheduled for 23rd May, 12:00 UTC, which is during UDS.  Anyone else think the 30th might be a better date?
[05:48] <TheMuso> Yes.
[05:48] <TheMuso> Things will be in full swing at that time.
[05:48] <TheMuso> i.e during uds.
[05:49] <persia_> Anyone really want to have the meeting on the 23rd?  (you have seconds to speak, or you wait a week for the meeting)
[05:49] <persia_> (err.. 120 seconds)
[05:49] <LaserJock> yeah, I think moving it to the 30th is reasonable
[05:49] <LaserJock> I don't know how many people are going to UDS but it I don't think we exactly have any pressing issues
[05:50] <RAOF> The 30th seems reasonable.
[05:50] <TheMuso> There will be a lot of MOTU folk there.
[05:50] <LaserJock> great
[05:50] <LaserJock> so that's a good reason to postpone
[05:51] <persia_> OK.  Next meeting will be 12:00 UTC on the 30th then.
[05:51] <persia_> Meeting adjourned.
[05:51] <TheMuso> Thanks fols.
[05:51] <TheMuso> folks
[05:52] <LaserJock> awesome
[05:52] <LaserJock> thanks everybody
[17:21] <ubuntero-ar> *******   Pedro Villavicencio Garrido -----------> ¿¿¿porque me expulsaste del canal #ubuntu-cl ???? ¿¿¿que te pasa???'
[17:21] <ubuntero-ar> *******   Pedro Villavicencio Garrido -----------> ¿¿¿porque me expulsaste del canal #ubuntu-cl ???? ¿¿¿que te pasa???'
[17:22] <jdavies> ...
[17:22] <jdavies> mruiz: you here for ubuntero-ar?
[17:23] <pedro_> ubuntero-ar: you're insulting us, that's why
[17:23] <jdavies> ubuntero-ar: el lugar mejor para descutir esto seria en #ubuntu-irc
[17:23] <mruiz> jdavies , hi. Yes... days ago we had some troubles with him
[17:23] <jdavies> hi pedro_
[17:23] <jussi01> this is really not the place...
[17:23] <ubuntero-ar> estaba buscando al sujeto y esta acá basta de defensa coorporativa
[17:23] <jdavies> best take this to #ubuntu-irc
[17:23] <pedro_> jdavies: agreed :-)
[17:24] <jdavies> ubuntero-ar: por favor haz: /join #ubuntu-irc
[17:25] <ubuntero-ar> /join #ubuntu-irc
[17:25] <jdavies> sin el espacio
[17:28] <zul> afternoon
[17:29]  * pitti does the Hardy dance
[17:29] <pochu> @now
[17:29]  * asac jumps in
[17:29] <slangasek> morning, folks
[17:30]  * ogasawara waves
[17:30]  * mvo waves
[17:30]  * zul waves
[17:30]  * bdmurray waves
[17:30] <pitti> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html is rocking hard
[17:31] <bdmurray> pitti: does tagging bugs as hw-specific still get reflected there?
[17:31] <pitti> don't know about you guys, but for me it helped tremendously to actually *use* hardy while doing fixes for it :)
[17:31] <asac> pitti: those are the ones we should verify, right?
[17:31] <pitti> bdmurray: yes
[17:31] <pitti> bdmurray: (hw)
[17:31] <pitti> asac: right, the non-green ones
[17:32] <pitti> I spend about 2 hours on SRU processing every day, so people are very active :)
[17:32] <slangasek> :)
[17:32] <asac> bookmarked
[17:32]  * seb128 hugs pitti for the good work
[17:32]  * pedro_ waves
[17:32] <seb128> hello pedro_
[17:33] <pedro_> hey seb128
[17:33] <slangasek> ok, let's go ahead and get started, I'll direct evand to the logs afterwards
[17:33] <bdmurray> So if I am running the proposed kernel and have no issues with it how do I document that?
[17:33] <pitti> I just have two points, but let's hand the mike to slangasek
[17:33] <slangasek> (though perhaps we're already started :)
[17:33] <slangasek> likewise, I just have a couple of things
[17:33] <pitti> bdmurray: for cases like that I usually say exactly that in the bug
[17:33] <bdmurray> pitti: but there are 9 bugs for the kernel...
[17:33] <slangasek> first, please keep in mind that any bug that's going to be fixed in an SRU needs to be tracked in both hardy and intrepid, which means nominating the bug for release
[17:34] <pitti> ^ also my point
[17:34] <pitti> please create *both* hardy and intrepid tasks
[17:34] <slangasek> We currently have a large number of bugs that are milestoned but have not yet been targeted for the release!
[17:34] <pitti> so that we won't forget to fix stuff in intrepid which we SRUed
[17:34] <slangasek> (You can see the difference in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1264, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1264)
[17:34] <pitti> (many bugs don't even have hardy tasks)
[17:34] <asac> slangasek: so the right search to get a list of bugs that need are properly targetted would be to search in "hardy" + 8.04.1 tag?
[17:35] <evand> Sorry about that.
[17:35] <slangasek> asac: correct; the first of those links I provided is the list of bugs that are tracked as "release-critical" for .1.
[17:35] <asac> i was a bit confused what search i should exactly use to get the right ones :/
[17:36] <slangasek> evand: hi; will send logs in /msg
[17:36] <evand> thanks slangasek
[17:37] <slangasek> of course, in practice since there are so *many* more bugs that are targeted for .1 without being targeted to the release, I can't ignore the other set either - but if any of those bugs are *yours*, please make sure you talk to me about getting them targeted to release. :)
[17:37] <asac> slangasek: so whould someone go through the second link and nominate those that look properly milestoned?
[17:37] <slangasek> asac: yes, that's an ongoing task of mine, but I would like us to get to the point where I don't have to poll the page :)
[17:37] <pitti> asac: you can do that 'on the go' when you start working on a bug
[17:38] <asac> pitti: right. question is if we should work on all bugs of the second link
[17:38] <asac> maybe slangasek wants to filter them first
[17:38] <pitti> slangasek: +milestone/8.04.1 should be good enough for an overview, no?
[17:38] <pitti> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04.1 that is
[17:38] <pitti> that's my preferred page
[17:39] <pitti> since it shows assignments and doesn't care (so much) about tasks
[17:39] <slangasek> asac: for the moment, I'm just asking that people make sure that any bugs that their team has identified as targets for 8.04.1 get targeted to the release
[17:39] <slangasek> asac: I'll take care of filtering the rest and confirming/denying release nominations
[17:40] <pitti> for the record, yesterday the desktop team went through the list and assigned desktopish stuff to people
[17:40] <pitti> it would be good if the other teams could do the same
[17:40] <asac> slangasek: ok, so we should only work on nominated ones and the teams should get around and fix that list as good as possible
[17:40] <pitti> IMHO it is very important to have assignees
[17:40] <asac> will do that for mozilla stuff now
[17:40] <pitti> unassigned milestoned bugs -> will be forgotten about
[17:40] <slangasek> pitti: right, unfortunately I don't find a way to filter that list to bugs that are properly nominated :)
[17:40] <pitti> asac: you should be able to create the actual tasks, not just nominations
[17:40] <asac> pitti: yes. word confusion here
[17:41] <slangasek> pitti: so I need to catch up on that first
[17:41] <pitti> slangasek: you mean sth. like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+nominations?field.subscriber=ubuntu-sru ?
[17:41] <pitti> well, probably not with subscriber, but rather with a milestone
[17:42] <slangasek> pitti: roughly, yes
[17:42] <slangasek> but then, that's the page I already linked to :)
[17:42] <slangasek> ok, the next thing from me is to check in and make sure that everyone's workloads are appropriate, or whether we need to try to redistribute
[17:42] <pitti> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+nominations?field.milestone%3Alist=1264
[17:43] <pitti> slangasek: ^ I think that's pretty good
[17:44] <slangasek> yes.  It's not the same view, though, it lacks the assignee info you were keen on :)
[17:45] <pitti> slangasek: right, but ideally this list would be empty, so we can just go through and accept/deny
[17:45]  * slangasek nods
[17:45] <slangasek> so, no comments from anyone on workload?
[17:45] <zul> no Im good
[17:45]  * pitti is fine, he'll grab some more bugs (and generate some with the /etc upgrade diff)
[17:45] <seb128> help on desktop bugs is welcome
[17:45] <seb128> I'll never manage to tackle everything singled handed
[17:46] <kirkland> anyone with particular expertise on openssl?  I could use a second set of eyes on a memory leak....
[17:46] <kirkland> i see pitti's name in the changelog :-)
[17:46] <pitti> *cough*
[17:46] <pitti> kirkland: happy to review
[17:46] <asac> slangasek: i am still utilized with catching up on my own SRU stuff. i expect to have cycles for others by mid of next week, so could start to assign some low-hanging fruits to me.
[17:46] <kirkland> that's what i thought :-)
[17:46] <slangasek> seb128: is there a good list somewhere of the desktop bugs in question?
[17:46] <kirkland> pitti: i'll ping you later
[17:46] <asac> own == mozilla related
[17:46] <pitti> kirkland: (although I'm not an openssl guru at all, but I can give it a general review)
[17:46] <evand> I can probably handle taking on a few more bugs in the near future, but I'd like to make sure I get through the major installer issues first.
[17:46] <slangasek> asac: great, thanks
[17:46] <seb128> slangasek: bugs in those lists assigned to ubuntu-desktop
[17:47] <zul> the server team keeps track of server related bugs on the wiki for what its worth works for us
[17:47] <asac> but remember that i am 50% ;)
[17:47] <evand> By all means, assign things to me as well
[17:47] <slangasek> evand: oh, btw, I did a one-off hardy livecd build yesterday; if it checks out I can go ahead and cron something
[17:47] <evand> hooray
[17:47] <evand> that will make my life much easier, thanks
[17:47] <pitti> oh, yeah, that's one of my current TODOs, cron hardy-proposed dailies
[17:47] <pitti> we need them to SRU-verify installer things
[17:48] <slangasek> kirkland: I also have some familiarity with OpenSSL <whimper>, so if I'm easier to grab than pitti on account of timezones or whatnot, feel free
[17:48] <kirkland> slangasek: thx.
[17:49] <pitti> encryptz: maybe just grab some from the unassigned list you feel comfortable with?
[17:49] <slangasek> seb128: hmm, currently I find zero bugs in those lists assigned to ubuntu-desktop, maybe I'm doing something wrong
[17:50] <pitti> erm, evand, I meant
[17:50] <asac> maybe we can setup a wiki page with a list links to tasks?
[17:50] <pitti> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04.1 has plenty
[17:50] <pitti> slangasek: ^
[17:50] <slangasek> then I guess my query is broken somewhere :)
[17:50] <pitti> argh, please no wiki page for tracking bugs
[17:50] <slangasek> oh, these are assigned to desktop-bugs, not ubuntu-desktop :)
[17:50] <evand> pitti: ok, I'll give a look through it
[17:50] <seb128> slangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=1264&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search
[17:51] <pitti> evand: (sort first by status, then by assignee, otherwise you'll go crazy)
[17:51] <evand> haha ok
[17:51] <slangasek> shorter URL: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1264&field.assignee=desktop-bugs :)
[17:51] <pitti> seb128: I'll grab bug 210379
[17:51] <slangasek> ok, ^^ there's the list of bugs that seb128 is asking for help with on desktop
[17:51] <asac> pitti: well ... there are lots of links floating around :) i don't want the bugs on wiki page ... just the links we paste here ;)
[17:51] <pitti> that's my competency
[17:51] <pitti> asac: ah, yes, that would be good
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: that one should already be fixed
[17:52] <pitti> seb128: no, see my latest bug comment (upstream and LP)
[17:52] <seb128> pitti: though the fix doesn't work for you? I'm just reading my mails about that
[17:52] <seb128> ok, thanks
[17:52] <pitti> assigned to me
[17:52] <pitti> (it takes some communication with hal probably)
[17:53] <seb128> pitti: right, I suggested that on the bug before too (checking for local mounts)
[17:53] <pitti> seb128: I saw
[17:53] <slangasek> zul: I didn't get a chance to chase up all of those bugs before the meeting, but yes, we ought to have all of the relevant bug state in LP itself instead of stored externally in a wiki; pitti and bdmurray are both very good at generating static web pages from LP queries, so I'm sure one of them could show you guys how to get the reporting view you want without trying to keep a separate authoritative source for the data
[17:54] <zul> slangasek: sure but Rick asked me to do that so he could track them better
[17:54] <pitti> zul: e. g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html is dynamically generated for tracking bugs, and IMHO it's very useful (and updated hourly)
[17:54] <slangasek> zul: noted, I'll talk to Rick then :)
[17:54] <zul> but I will ask pitti and bdmurray as well
[17:55] <pitti> zul: I'm happy to add more stuff to it if you need something
[17:55] <zul> pitti: thanks
[17:55] <pitti> zul: or categorize it differently, etc
[17:55] <slangasek> it's reasonable to want a page that lets the team get an easy overview, but this page needs to be built from LP data
[17:56] <slangasek> 5 minutes on the clock, any other business?
[17:56] <pitti> o/
[17:56] <zul> nope
[17:56] <pitti> I would appreciate if you guys could follow some rules which would really help me with the SRU bug management:
[17:56] <slangasek> pitti: go ahead :)
[17:56] <pitti>  * make sure that the bug has proper and correct tasks
[17:56] <pitti>  * try to avoid stacking uploads into -proposed without getting the older ones into -updates first
[17:56] <pitti>  * if you do upload a new version into -proposed, use -v<latest version in -updates/final>
[17:57] <pitti> (otherwise they become a nightmare to track)
[17:57] <pitti>  * after you uploaded to -proposed, don't forget about it; encourage and chase people to get it tested!
[17:57]  * mvo coughs for being guitly of point (2)
[17:57] <pitti> with the current number of SRUs, I can't possibly chase all bugs to get verified
[17:58] <pitti> I'm a bottleneck for SRU processing, so I'd like to spend less time with fixing tasks, asking people whether stuff is fixed in intrepid, asking for test cases, etc.
[17:58] <slangasek> on that note, bdmurray had also asked me about folks not providing test cases for their SRU uploads
[17:58] <pitti> I do see that this is hard for things like the current kernel upload
[17:59] <pitti> I guess for those we can just all use the new kernel for two weeks and then take the plunge
[17:59] <slangasek> this is documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates as one of the responsibilities of the SRUer - please provide a clear test case in the bug description wherever possible, so that our SRU verification team can get a handle on these bugs with a minimum of effort
[17:59] <pitti> also, it's perfectly reasonable to ask bug reporters for testing stuff
[17:59] <pitti> even more so for hardware specific issues
[18:00] <seb128> anybody has an issue with the evolution switch to gnome-keyring btw?
[18:00]  * pitti doesn't use a keyring in evo, didn't test
[18:00] <pitti> but I can set it up if required
[18:00] <slangasek> pitti: this is in reference to email passwords, AFAIK?
[18:00] <seb128> I don't feel strongly about it, I think it's better to have the keyring used for the lts but we can do without it too
[18:00] <slangasek> I don't use evo for email, is the thing-
[18:00] <zul> pitti: what about test cases that require special hardware?
[18:00] <pitti> well, I only have a local Maildir,
[18:01] <pitti> zul: as I said, I think for those the bug reporters should test it
[18:01] <seb128> pitti: no ldap directory configured in evo either?
[18:01] <zul> pitti: gotcha
[18:01] <pitti> seb128: not ATM
[18:01] <pitti> seb128: I did have LDAP for taks and contacts at one point, but that was only for testing
[18:01] <bdmurray> zul: It'd be helpful if those were tagged as hw-specific too
[18:01] <seb128> ok
[18:01] <pitti> (about three years ago perhaps)
[18:02] <zul> bdmurray: sure
[18:02] <pitti> seb128: let's discuss that offline
[18:02] <slangasek> and we're at time - any last-minute comments before everyone runs away? :)
[18:02] <seb128> pitti: ok
[18:03] <slangasek> adjourned.  thanks, folks!
[18:03] <evand> thanks
[18:03] <pitti> thanks everyone
[18:03] <pitti> oh
[18:03] <pitti> next meeting?
[18:03] <pitti> 'when we need one'?
[18:03] <slangasek> I'll send out a proposed meeting time for next week by email
[18:04] <seb128> thanks
[18:08] <asac> thanks
[18:09] <zul> thanks
[18:10] <mvo> thanks
[20:38] <RoAkSoAx> anyone knows if the CC meeting handles issues related to translations?
[20:38] <RoAkSoAx> or if there is a council that can handle that?
[20:39] <juliux> RoAkSoAx, add it to the cc agenda and we will see what happens
[20:39] <RoAkSoAx> ok thanks juliux
[20:40] <RoAkSoAx> =)


[01:23] <allure> hello! My ubuntu desktop can't find my Sony wh-1000xm3 headphones via bluetooth, but it finds my galaxy s1
[01:23] <allure> s10*
[01:23] <allure> any ideas on what could be causing this? it is on pairing mode and my wife can see it on her phone
[01:25] <ironpillow> hi all, I can install ubuntu server on headless hardware fine. But it is not recognizing the HDD, it's ending up trying to boot from pxe. I re-installed ubuntu 18.04.2 multiple times. Right now I am at a screen showing "install ubuntu server" "OEM install" "install maas region controller" "rescue a broken system" But I don't know to fix the grub from this screen. Any advice? thanks!
[01:25] <sarnold> allure: a few wild guesses: (a) do your headphones have a limit to how many devices they will pair with? have you hit that limit? what's it do once you hit it?
[01:25] <OerHeks> allure, i installed blueman, much better control / auth / pair devices
[01:25] <OerHeks> !info blueman
[01:26] <allure> sarnold: honestly, not sure :) I will check
[01:26] <allure> OerHeks: I am using it too :(
[01:26] <sarnold> allure: (b) bluetooth has something like a thousand different protocols (okay slight exaggeration) and both endpoints have to speak the same protocols; which protocols do your headphones support and which ones do your bluetooth thing in your machine supoprt? how about bluez?
[01:26] <OerHeks> no need to 'trust' the device, easy peasy. make sure it is unpaired with other devices ofcourse
[01:26] <sarnold> ironpillow: rescue ought to give you a prompt of some sort..
[01:27] <cluelessperson> I can't get bluetooth to work in ubuntu 19
[01:27] <allure> OerHeks: I put it in pairing mode, still won't find it :(
[01:27] <allure> sarnold: I've seen people pairing it to ubuntu 19 (like I am doing) on forums, I just won't see it listed anywhere :-(
[01:27] <allure> cluelessperson: same :-/
[01:27] <OerHeks> sometimes the 1st time can take up a minute
[01:27] <ironpillow> sarnold: it's goes into booting from blind mode
[01:28] <cluelessperson> also I'm getting these weird error messages in syslog
[01:28] <cluelessperson> Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym 32 with keysym 32 (keycode b)
[01:28] <cluelessperson> thousands of them
[01:28] <cluelessperson> unhelpful log messages suck
[01:30] <cluelessperson> I might go back to ubuntu 18, seemed far more stable
[01:30] <allure> if I install another distro, it won't be ubuntu this time.. too many issues with 19 got me scarred :
[01:30] <allure> :p
[01:32] <cluelessperson> allure   18 is long term support release, and it's been out longer.  It'll be more reliable.
[01:32] <ironpillow> sarnold: error: no suitable video mode found. Booting in blind mode
[01:32] <sarnold> ironpillow: hmm -- do you need to add console=serial or something to the rescue command line?
[01:32] <ironpillow> sarnold: let me try it
[01:32] <allure> cluelessperson: true, but I like the bleeding edge and, for that, ubuntu is not that great
[01:32] <allure> :/
[01:32] <cluelessperson> mint is nice sometimes
[01:32] <cluelessperson> but sometimes less stable
[01:34] <sarnold> ironpillow: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/admin-guide/serial-console.rst  -- you may need to look at your BMC docs to figure out what serial port it pretends to be
[01:34] <OerHeks> discovery visable? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/bluetooth-problem-connecting.html.en
[01:35] <OerHeks> turned off standard, iirc
[01:35] <allure> OerHeks: I can see my S10 and I can see it on my wifes phone...
[01:35] <allure> should just work :)
[01:35] <allure> brb
[02:14] <mmystic> hi, is there a way or a tool to save something like "ps aux" per session ? I mean I'd like to know what process was running a specific pid before my last reboot.
[02:24] <hays> what is the difference between main and universe
[02:28] <hays> kinda surprised to see python-pip in universe
[02:36] <OerHeks> easy to find; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#The_Four_Main_Repositories
[02:46] <ironpillow> hi all, hard drive is being recognized when I am installing from usb iso. everything goes ok without errors, but when I reboot hard drive is not recognized and UEFI shell boots up. Has the HDD gone bad?
[03:15] <Bashing-om> ironpillow: Installed in legacy mode ? .. what results changing the boot option in the firmware ?
[03:17] <ironpillow> Bashing-om: I tried both legacy and UEFI modes. Sorry which boot option are you referring to? HDD is not showing up on the boot menu, only usb flash drive and pxe boot. But I don't have pxe boot server.
[03:20] <Bashing-om> ironpillow: Every manufacturer inplements UEFI differenrly - no telling how yoyr firmware is set up, .. boot a liveUSB to try ubuntu mode and pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' . see what gets seen.
[03:28] <ironpillow> Bashing-om: my hardware is headless and has not graphic mode. Every time I try to boot from IiveUSB get the installation screen and I can't get into terminal.
[03:47] <Bashing-om> ironpillow: Out of my skill set too - to know how to deal with that.
[03:47] <ironpillow> Bashing-om: no worries. thanks for taking the time. I somehow booted into grub rescue> prompt
[03:49] <Bashing-om> ironpillow: grub command 'ls' shows partitions ?
[03:50] <ironpillow> Bashing-om: yes, (hd0) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
[03:52] <Bashing-om> ironpillow: There is hope then this is but a bootloader issue - others will have to guide in this event as I do not know UEFI .
[03:52] <ironpillow> Bashing-om: got it. thanks :)
[04:00] <Bray90820> So on 19.04 my apps seem to be opening on my second monster instead of my primary one
[04:05] <OmniscientQ> I just reinstalled 18.04 on my desktop machine, and then set up my /home VG afterwards. When I rebooted with the new /home, it looked like Ubuntu set everything up for me a second time.
[04:05] <OmniscientQ> But certain things are missing, like the default .bashrc . What else might I be missing, and is there a way to make Ubuntu run the full first-time user setup?
[04:15] <bqq> hi do i have to do ssd-related tweaks nowadays as suggested years ago in: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1400/how-do-i-optimize-the-os-for-ssds
[04:18] <OerHeks> bqq, no. currently Trim (discard) is enabled to run weekly by default in 18.04. It is a systemd service managed via systemctl. and white spots are long gone.
[04:18] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1034169/is-trim-enabled-on-my-ubuntu-18-04-installation
[04:20] <bqq> OerHeks: what do you mean by white spots?
[04:20] <OerHeks> sectors that wear out easily
[04:20] <OerHeks> so, have fun!
[04:21] <bqq> how about other tweaks in that question?
[04:22] <bqq> like fs, scheduler, ..
[04:23] <OerHeks> no, noatime, nodiratime, is an opinion, and that guide is too old.
[04:26] <bqq> using tmpfs on /tmp, /var/log, and others; noop scheduling?
[05:40] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. I am using a Dark theme on Ubuntu 18.04.2 and the VirtualBox looks terrible. All fonts have gone white and tried a few QT variables from google but nothing worked
[05:40] <Mr_Cyclops> any clues please? tx
[07:24] <devslash2> is there anything in ubuntu os wide that would disable drm
[07:27] <OerHeks> disable drm on what?
[07:29] <devslash2> well i  just installed ubuntu 19.04 the other day and suddenly DRM doesnt play in FF
[07:29] <devslash2> on any site even though its enabled
[07:29] <devslash2> in the FF pres. its off by default but i turned it on
[07:30] <devslash2> I wasnt gonna ask that really in here because it may be  just FF but its weird. brand new profile.
[07:33] <devslash2> oh so same in chromium
[07:35] <devslash2> seems to work in chrome
[07:35] <devslash2> well so far thats only sptofiy but im also testing other sites
[07:38] <devslash2> all drm seems to work in chrome but not chromium of ff
[07:44] <ricks_> drm?
[07:44] <ricks_> oh
[07:45] <ricks_> wait digital rights mgmt or gpu drm?
[07:45] <devslash2> digital rights management
[08:30] <TabMasher> Is it better to install chrome, skype, etc.. from a deb package or snap/flatpak?
[08:31] <OerHeks> skype is best from snap, not sure there is flatplak, nor is flatpack enabled.
[08:32] <OerHeks> chrome, just install the deb, it contains the repo info & key
[08:35] <TabMasher> OerHeks: Thanks for the advice.
[08:51] <ricks_> how do you guys manager the files that appimages leave around?
[08:52] <OerHeks> one should manage those manually, there is no tool /plugin for nautilus or like that
[08:53] <OerHeks> err synaptic
[08:53] <OerHeks> and appimages do not update, right?
[08:53] <OerHeks> snaps do
[09:19] <uio> Hi. How can i remove one of my LUKS keys for my hdd?
[09:19] <uio> sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/lubuntu-vg/root/ gives not output.
[09:20] <SwedeMike> uio: https://linux.die.net/man/8/cryptsetup luksRemoveKey
[09:20] <SwedeMike> uio: but you must of course find what your partition is that has the LUKS header on it
[09:20] <SwedeMike> uio: so keep looking with luksDump to try to find it.
[09:21] <SwedeMike> uio: look in /etc/crypttab, it should contain your LUKS partitions that are automatically started at boot
[09:23] <uio> SwedeMike, Thanks. I see sda5_crypt
[09:23] <uio> But sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda5_crypt gives nothing.
[09:24] <uio> SwedeMike, Well, "Le périphérique /dev/sda5_crypt n'existe pas ou l'accès y est interdit." actually.
[09:24] <uio> doesn't exist or access is denied.
[09:25] <tomreyn> uio: /dev/sda5_crypt is the decrypted storage, you'll need to wok on the encrypted one
[09:25] <uio> tomreyn, Okay, how can I find it?
[09:26] <uio> in disks?
[09:26] <SwedeMike> uio: what does the cryptsetup line say?
[09:26] <SwedeMike> that mentions sda5_crypt?
[09:26] <uio> doesn't exist or access is denied.
[09:26] <tomreyn> uio: if you found sda5_crypt in crypttab, then you'll also find the encrypted one on the same line
[09:27] <SwedeMike> uio: "sudo grep sda5 /etc/crypttab" and paste the output
[09:27] <tomreyn> chances are it's /dev/sda5
[09:27] <SwedeMike> better to know for sure.
[09:27] <uio> Is this info sensitive?
[09:27] <uio> Big long line of numbers and letters...
[09:28] <uio> That one?
[09:28] <tomreyn> a UUID?
[09:28] <SwedeMike> uio: if it says "UUID=" and numbers then it's not sensitive
[09:28] <uio> Right.
[09:28] <uio> Cool.
[09:28] <uio> sda5_crypt UUID=fcfc9a97-23d2-4134-820e-f90f54b6daae none luks,discard
[09:29] <SwedeMike> uio: "sudo blkid" and look for that uuid
[09:29] <SwedeMike> "sudo blkid | grep fcfc9a"
[09:30] <tomreyn> blkid --uuid fcfc9a97-23d2-4134-820e-f90f54b6daae
[09:30] <uio> sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda5 gave output...
[09:31] <uio> Of both the keys.
[09:31] <uio> I'd like to remove key 2
[09:31] <uio> which is called slot 1
[09:31] <SwedeMike> uio: https://linux.die.net/man/8/cryptsetup luksRemoveKey
[09:33] <uio> SwedeMike, tomreyn Okay. I think we're good :)
[09:33] <uio> Thanks for your help!
[09:34] <uio> I want to reinstall on the same machine and use one of the same keys. Would this be a security issue? Ie, if someone learns the re-used key could they somehow access my old files? Should I rewrite with zeros to be safe?
[10:24] <B|ack0p> hi
[10:26] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: are you there and available?
[10:27] <B|ack0p> sorry pinging you..
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:35] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: There's no 1-on-1 support offering here. Please state the question / issue. If someone's available to help with it, they will respond.
[11:44] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: sorry
[11:46] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: no problem, i'm just explaining my POV on how we do support here.
[11:49] <x000> hi I'm looking for a solution to use my android device as a touchpad on ubuntu
[11:49] <x000> there's an app for this on windows and mac
[11:49] <x000> but no love for ubuntu, or linux at all ?
[11:50] <mouses> x000: https://rarcher.github.io/couch-potato-server/downloads.html
[11:50] <OerHeks> bing + "android as touchpad for linux"   gives https://www.maketecheasier.com/remote-control-ubuntu-android-phone/
[11:51] <OerHeks> more suggestions https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/15-android-apps-remote-control-linux-pc/
[11:57] <cluelessperson> When I do ping   example.server    it pings the WRONG ip address
[11:57] <ph88> i try to install Lubuntu on VM, i can choose the language and start Lubuntu .. but then it's not starting .. what to do ?
[11:58] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: Host example.server not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[11:59] <cluelessperson> .. you see "example" right?
[11:59] <cluelessperson> I found it, my bad
[11:59] <cluelessperson> had to restart the cache on the dns server, meh
[12:00] <tomreyn> ph88: when is "then" exactly? after installing, when you reboot?
[12:00] <tomreyn> or does the live system from your installer not start up properly?
[12:05] <ph88> the live system doesn't start
[12:05] <ph88> i get to see text EDAC pnd2: Failed to register device with error -19.
[12:05] <ph88> Which i googled and should be a "normal" error when there is no ECC ram available
[12:06] <ph88> tomreyn, and then nothing ... just that text
[12:06] <OerHeks> ph88 what os is the host, and what vm software?
[12:10] <ph88> synology DSM os host
[12:10] <ph88> vm software i don't know
[12:13] <crised> Is it ok to format a pendrive with only one partition?
[12:13] <crised> it's going to be used for file storage only
[12:17] <Epharim> hi!
[12:17] <Epharim> This should be an important update. https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2019-August/116875.html
[12:18] <Epharim> How long it takes usually to be in the release. My last compiling of sources was long time ago.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> !usn | Epharim you can follow security updates here
[12:26] <ph88> i have to go
[12:26] <ph88> bye
[12:29] <Epharim> I was thinking that I'm save with the version <IP_ADDRESS> but I altough save with <IP_ADDRESS>. I hope so. CVE-2019-11500 Thanks
[13:52] <cluelessperson> hrm.  ubuntu seems to be resolving ipv6 before ipv4, so results in pulling external dns
[13:52] <cluelessperson> ingoring internal dns
[13:54] <mystic> get ignored in here too lol
[14:13] <afidegnum> hello, pls what tool do i need to create a Windows MRB bootable usb stick in ubuntu 18.04 ?
[14:16] <ioria> !woeusb
[14:16] <afidegnum> ioria: woeusb create UEFI by default which is not supported by my system
[14:16] <afidegnum> i had ubuntu installed already i want to add windows
[14:16] <ioria> ah, didn't know that
[14:17] <ioria> nope, "Legacy/MBR-style/IBM PC compatible bootmode"
[14:17] <afidegnum> there is no option for that
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: there's woeusb snap if you want
[14:24] <afidegnum> lotuspsychje: i have woeusb installed already which create an EFI bootable, does snap offers an MBR version?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> afidegnum: not sure, didnt test that myself
[14:41] <afidegnum> any insight ?
[14:42] <ioria> afidegnum, no, but you may try with the cli version
[14:43] <ThothCastel> I am running Ubuntu on a VMware Workstation VM on a laptop host machine with 16GB RAM, 1 Wireless adapter and 1 NIC of 1GB speed, the VM is picking up only 10MB speed for the connection when my host laptop is connected via WIFI - although my VM says it is 'wired' and I don't see my wireless adapter in my VM - why not? and why getting this limited speed? Network adapter is 'Natted'
[14:43] <ioria> afidegnum,  sudo woeusb --target-filesystem NTFS --device ~/Downloads/Win10.iso  /dev/sdX
[14:44] <afidegnum> ok, let me try
[15:03] <Surfer2011> ^hello, is there anything needed to be taken care of using rsync in rsnapshot with ntfs drives?
[15:03] <Surfer2011> i get this error:  ERROR: Warning! /bin/rm failed.
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> Surfer2011: you received suggestions yesterday, did any of those help?
[15:05] <Surfer2011> how can i check as what user the rsnapshot will be started?
[15:07] <Surfer2011> 30 3          * * *           root    /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily is how it is started
[15:08] <Surfer2011> /dev/disk/by-label/LaCie /srv/dev-disk-by-label-LaCie ntfs defaults,nofail 0 2            is the fstab entry
[15:21] <EriC^> Surfer2011: where is that cron line in
[15:21] <Surfer2011> /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot
[15:27] <geirha> sixth field is the user it runs as. root in this case
[15:31] <geirha> Surfer2011: what does this output?   mount | grep LaCie
[15:31] <Surfer2011> /dev/sdd1 on /srv/dev-disk-by-label-LaCie type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[15:31] <Surfer2011> /dev/sdd1 on /sharedfolders/0_LaCie type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[15:31] <x000> I have the coolest nick ever
[15:33] <geirha> it's mounted read-write and with root as owner on the files, so it should be able to remove files on it
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> x000: only ubuntu issues here please
[15:34] <x000> lotuspsychje, yes of course
[15:44] <Surfer2011> any other ideas geirha
[15:46] <ioria> Surfer2011, some here suggested a fs check : https://github.com/rsnapshot/rsnapshot/issues/195
[16:16] <Surfer2011> ioria: any chance it is because of the ntfs format / mount?
[16:18] <Surfer2011> ioria: how do i do the fsck.ext4 -f /dev/ ? ... do i need to unmount it?
[16:21] <Surfer2011> and would it make any difference to mount it as ntfs-3g ???
[16:24] <MoPac> Hi, sorry, having a massive brain lapse -- what is the standard format for placing an 'override' config file containing some select text that should take priority over what is in the main file? If I want to override some options in /folder/gtk.css, is it to make /folder/gtk.css.d , then put files names whatever I want in that with a line or two of css in them? Feels not quite right...
[16:33] <Surfer2011> ntfsfix and fsck was fine
[16:41] <x000> fsck was definitely fine
[17:03] <slyrobot> tomreyn: Any progress on the Nvidia issue ?
[17:07] <kokokon> ty sarnold snap did work
[17:37] <axy> Hello there -- how can I display a log file in real time in ubuntu?,
[17:37] <axy> maybe this is more of a general linux question - not sure
[17:37] <axy> for instance tail command to display last lines -- and I need to display the logs in real time in my access.log file for nginx
[17:38] <axy> Not sure if what I need has a specific more technical name
[17:38] <axy> :)
[17:40] <molinot> Ubuntu in 16GB RAM, Chromium, 4GB swapfile goes better than in Chrome 2GB swapfile (many tabs open both cases)
[17:40] <cluelessperson> axy     tail -f /var/log/syslog
[17:40] <cluelessperson> -f  or --follow
[17:42] <axy> cluelessperson thanks! you saved my day
[17:42] <molinot> however the last kernel version has increased the power consumption from around 17+W to 40+
[17:52] <gbear14275> Hello, where would printer log files go to if a print job keeps stopping... I
[17:52] <gbear14275> I'm battling a printer setup and my latest problem is every job get's "Stopped"
[17:55] <ph88> hello. i try to install Lubuntu but the live CD is not continueing to start in the synology VM .. what can i do ??
[18:14] <Netmage> Hi, I would like to spindown the hdd after 3 minutes. I already added the recommended lines to hdparm.conf. Unfortunately nothing happen after 3 Minutes. If I use the hdparm -y /dev/sdb the hdd spindown. Is it necessary to activate (in some ways) hdparm ?
[19:12] <zetheroo> about a year ago I made this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gthumb/+bug/1799084 but there hasn't been a single comment to date. What's the next steps?
[19:13] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, one option could be to bribe the maintainer to make them care. ;)
[19:13] <zetheroo> :D
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: did you file this bug yourself?
[19:14] <zetheroo> yes
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: when you file bugs to ubuntu, its reccomended to use ubuntu-bug
[19:15] <Sven_vB> there once was a Ubiquity bug that made it crash due to memory exhaustion. several people had that problem. I published a patch for it. afaik it never got mainlined, so I had to maintain my patcher for 3 generations of ubuntu just to be able to install it. then some day I switched to another installer so I don't need to cope with Ubiquity anymore.
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: thats why we created the #ubuntu-discuss bug team, to create a greater audience to affect bugs
[19:17] <Sven_vB> (the patch itself stayed the same btw. I just wrote an automatic patcher because I guessed I'll need it.)
[19:17] <zetheroo> sorry, got disconnected .. what did I miss?
[19:17] <Soo_Slow> somebody once told me the world is gonna ruin me
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: did you try apport-collect BUGid ?
[19:17] <Sven_vB> Soo_Slow, I'll be happy to help with that. :)
[19:18] <Soo_Slow> :(
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: a few other tricks to get attention to your bug is, find other affected users
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: and do some tests yourself, and keep your bug updated, alive
[19:19] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: I cannot recall now how I reported this issue back then
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: by launchpad manual, cause no system info shows in your bug
[19:20] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: nothing has changed since I opened the bug report. Still the same issue. I'm really surprised more people don't experience this as well.
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: you need to give a little hand to bugs, try things
[19:21] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, especially with the memory exhaustion type bugs, a lot of power users just don't experience them because they use insane amounts of RAM on all their notebooks.
[19:21] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: thing is, I don't really know where to start with this.
[19:22] <zetheroo> Sven_vB: I had 16GB of memory on my last laptop and it was used right up
[19:23] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, "used" is usual in linux, it doesn't imply it's unavailable.
[19:23] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, lots of caches are kept around until something more important needs their space.
[19:24] <zetheroo> used up .. meaning ... swap was also being used up ... laptop freezing up ... can't do anything until gthumb crashes
[19:25] <Sven_vB> uplink comment #15 looks like it was fixed in version 3.5.2. you could report those good news to launchpad in case the maintainer there is waiting for upstream to fix it.
[19:25] <Sven_vB> err, upstream
[19:25] <Sven_vB> not uplink
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: a start would be: apport-collect 1799084
[19:27] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: I don't know what that is :(
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: also, does this bug still happen on your updated system 18.04.3?
[19:27] <zetheroo> yes
[19:27] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, have you considered mitigating the impact with ulimit until it's fixed? that way only the image viewer should crash instead of a system freeze.
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: apport collect gathers your system info & logs into your bug, they are needed for the devs to debug better
[19:28] <zetheroo> ok
[19:28] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, also a good idea would be to try and check the updated upstream package. if it's fixed there, the debug info is redundant.
[19:29] <Sven_vB> the maintainers would just need to merge the fix.
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> good idea Sven_vB
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> !info gthumb disco
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> !info gthumb bionic
[19:32] <zetheroo> ok well I did the apport-collect 1799084 thingy
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: i dont see it in your bug yet
[19:35] <zetheroo> I did it again now
[19:36] <zetheroo> it collects the info and then shows it to me and I click 'Send'
[19:40] <ioria> zetheroo, that memory leak seems to be a common issue; have you tried the latest upstream ver or downgrade it ?
[19:42] <zetheroo> ioria: how do I try a newer version?
[19:42] <devslash2> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu and any sites that uses drm like spotify.com or songsterr.com or yahoo news videos which all use drm do not work
[19:43] <Sven_vB> DRM never works anyway. ;)
[19:43] <ioria> zetheroo, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/sources/gthumb/3.8/   (if you know how to )
[19:43] <devslash2> i used to be able to listen to spotify
[19:43] <devslash2> in ubuntu
[19:43] <devslash2> until i reinstalled ubuntu\
[19:44] <zetheroo> ioria: so this would be something I would have to compile myself I suppose
[19:44] <Bashing-om> devslash2: "ubuntu-restricted-extras" installed ? as maybe the sites require non-free codeces ?
[19:44] <Sven_vB> are you sure you have the required licenses etc.? maybe your new Ubuntu install just looks like a new device, in which case the malfunction might be the exact purpose of DRM.
[19:44] <devslash2> does anyone know why DRM doesnt work at all
[19:44] <ioria> zetheroo, kinda : https://askubuntu.com/questions/789400/how-to-downgrade-gthumb-in-16-04
[19:44] <devslash2> how do i check
[19:45] <Bashing-om> devslash2: ' dpkg -l ubuntu-restricted-extras ' .
[19:46] <devslash2> that was it thanks
[19:46] <zetheroo> ioria: I am using the version shipped with 18.04, an LTS release of Ubuntu, and I don't really see downgrading as a 'solution'. It's just surprising that something with such a noticeable bug gets into an LTS and doesn't get fixed. :/
[19:47] <ioria> ok
[19:47] <zetheroo> ioria: but thanks for your help anyhow ;)
[19:47] <zetheroo> I'll just wait for 20.04 and hope it's fixed by then
[19:48] <Sven_vB> zetheroo, consider ulimit ;)
[19:49] <zetheroo> I even opened an issue here https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gthumb/issues/36
[19:49] <zetheroo> 4 months since last contact ... :D
[20:57] <raidgh0st> Where is the dvb tuners listed in the ubuntu system?
[22:12] <fromBeyond> Hi. When my machine goes to sleep (dell xps 15), the battery drains very fast, and the fans are still working like crazy. Is it true that is should inspect the /sys/power/mem_sleep and set it too "echo deep > /sys/power/mem_sleep? Currenty the contents are [s2idle] deep.
[22:13] <fromBeyond> Is there anything else i should do?


[23:27] <tildar> Is there any way to have my current password sent to my registered address?
[23:28] <k1l> tildar: if you mean your freenode nickserv password try to ask in #freenode
[23:30] <tildar> Thanks, I will try that.


[10:36] <o_cee> hello! trying to make an upstart script for spawn-fcgi, but ran into a problem.. how can I make sure the socket is chmodded 770, since I have to run the script from the upstart script without daemon mode?
[10:37] <o_cee> if I use daemon mode i can just stick it after it, but then upstart don't know about the status of the task..
[10:44] <o_cee> maybe easier to use port instead of socket
[10:59] <mbiebl> o_cee: why is the socked chmod 770 if you run the script in daemon mode?
[11:00] <mbiebl> Or do you chmod manually?
[11:00] <o_cee> mbiebl: problem is that the socket is 766 or something instead of 770
[11:00] <o_cee> yeah, don't know why spawn-fcgi does that, but i've solved it before by chmodding it afterwards
[11:00] <o_cee> but, seems port+addr instead of socket works fine, so i'll use that instad
[11:00] <mbiebl> o_cee: well, that you can do with a post-start script
[11:01] <o_cee> yeah, but the it wouldn't be all upstart, right?
[11:01] <o_cee> (never done any of these things before heh)
[11:03] <o_cee> ah post-start, yeah, but it seemed to get reset when spawn-fcgi is run? couldn't get it to stick.. either way, port mode works just as fine i think
[14:58] <voroskoi> hi
[23:20] <sadmac> ion_: ping


[01:07] <seanmontana> hello
[01:08] <seanmontana> Anyway to know an update on Launchpad Bug #1010981
[01:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1010981 in linux "Computer does not power off when attempting to shut down by any route." [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010981
[01:08] <seanmontana> or a workaround
[01:15] <TheLordOfTime> that bug is marked as incomplete
[01:15] <TheLordOfTime> they want the latest upstream kernel tested
[01:16] <seanmontana> whats that mean
[01:16] <TheLordOfTime> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1010981/comments/23)
[01:16] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1010981 in linux "Computer does not power off when attempting to shut down by any route." [Medium,Incomplete]
[01:17] <TheLordOfTime> basically that means the bug is incomplete, so they can't fix it yet.
[01:17] <TheLordOfTime> i think
[01:17]  * TheLordOfTime isnt on the kernel team
[01:18] <TheLordOfTime> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/BugStates#Incomplete_Bugs for what they mean by "incomplete"
[01:18] <TheLordOfTime> if you have questions, you could post those questions on the bug
[01:18] <TheLordOfTime> but in its state i dont think the kernel team can diagnose the problem in its current state
[01:19] <seanmontana> hmm
[01:19] <seanmontana> maybe ill do that kernel upstream thing
[01:19] <seanmontana> i have no idea how though..
[01:19] <seanmontana> ill check it out
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> they give you a link
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> if you're unsure how to test, well...
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> not sure that bug'll get fixed
[01:21] <TheLordOfTime> (although i can't confirm that bug anyways, with any kernel, and i'm running a Quantal kernel on Precise)
[01:22] <seanmontana> right cause you would have to have my computer model right
[01:27] <seanmontana> how do i know which mainline build is the most current
[01:28] <seanmontana> because i see v3.2.28-precise/ with timestamp 20-Aug-2012
[01:29] <seanmontana> and then i see v3.3.1-precise/ with timestamp 02-Apr-2012
[01:29] <seanmontana> which appears to be a higher version number but older date
[01:43] <seanmontana> how do i know which is the latest mainline build image to install
[01:43] <seanmontana> based upon version number alone?
[14:07] <penguin42> xnox: Bug 1041838 - I think the naming is the feature, but it's still a bug - the ubuntu-devel notes are only work arounds; the only case I see where it's not a bug is if he set it as eth0 in a preseed
[14:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041838 in ubiquity "i386 netboot install ubuntu server: no wired network after install [incorrect name in interfaces file]" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041838
[14:08] <xnox> penguin42: "set it as eth0 in a preseed" this must/should not be done any more.
[14:09] <penguin42> xnox: Right, so the question is did he use a preseed, if he didn't preseed then it should have got it right
[14:09] <penguin42> xnox: He doesn't say he preseeded
[14:10] <xnox> but he did use pxe boot, which sets options.
[14:13] <penguin42> xnox: right, so I think it's important to ask where his pxe config came from; and the interesting thing is that the install process worked fine, it was only what happened after that didn't - so the installer did get the biosdev but the installed result didn't which seems to be the opposite of what's being suggested
[14:38] <olmjo> folks, any help would be appreciated; I am working on triaging my first bug.
[14:39] <olmjo> turns out the first is, I think, a feature request. i need a bug-control member to change the "importance" to "wishlist", right?
[14:39] <penguin42> olmjo: Yes, but we're happy to make the changes for you
[14:40] <penguin42> olmjo: So just give the bug number  and say what you want it to set to and why
[14:40] <olmjo> great, thanks.
[14:43] <penguin42> does someone have an ARM install of Quantal that they can check a bug on?
[14:50] <olmjo> Bug #702905 should be changed to "Wishlist". The Ubuntu package depends on open-jdk, but the upstream project does not, so this isn't a feature request for upstream. The upstream project is at <http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/rJava/index.html>.
[14:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 702905 in rjava "r-cran-rjava depends on openjdk-6-jre only" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702905
[14:51]  * penguin42 looks
[14:54] <penguin42> olmjo: I don't think that's a wishlist; I mean if it's possible to use a variety of JRE's then it *should* be dependent on something like java6-runtime
[14:55] <olmjo> penguin42: Okay. Fair enough. I guess I reasoned that is how it would be classified because the Ubuntu package is explicit about that dependency. It just shouldn't be artificially restricted that way.
[14:57] <olmjo> I'll re-read some of the bug triaging doc. Thanks!
[14:57] <penguin42> olmjo: What I don't know is whether there is a reason that it's restricted to openjdk-6 - I'm guessing from the description it's a jni thing, and I wonder if those do move between jre's easily? I don't know enough Java foo
[15:00] <micahg> olmjo: that's invalid now
[15:00] <micahg> sun-java was dropped from the archive last year
[15:01] <micahg> err...this year
[15:01] <penguin42> micahg: Should probably still be fixed to depend on java-runtime ?
[15:02] <micahg> penguin42: you'll want to check the packaging in quantal for something like that
[15:02] <olmjo> michag: Ah, I see. I knew I haven't had sun-java for a while now, so that makes sense.
[15:02] <penguin42> micahg: Still says it's a depend on openjdk-6-jre on quantal
[15:03] <micahg> package hasn't been updated for java 7 or the new java packaging standards yet AIUI
[15:03] <penguin42> micahg: Yeh which is probably the right thing to ask for
[15:04] <penguin42> micahg: So back to a previous question; do you have a Quantal ARM board to hand?
[15:04] <micahg> no
[15:05]  * micahg disappears for a bit
[15:05] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[15:11] <olmjo> penguin42: can you clarify things for me? what is the right course of action?
[15:13] <penguin42> olmjo: I'm not sure - but that's ok you don't have to triage every bug; I think '(16:03:34) micahg: package hasn't been updated for java 7 or the new java packaging standards yet AIUI'  is the right comment here - the package really needs updating in various javay ways - but I don't know enough about Java to say that
[15:14] <olmjo> okay, great.
[15:14] <olmjo> thanks!
[18:05]  * penguin42 bug 235539 is fun
[18:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 235539 in acpi "Laptop boots at Midnight, by itself." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235539
[18:32] <RoyK> penguin42: Achluophobian laptop? ;)
[18:32] <penguin42> RoyK: Thank you for the word of the day!
[18:35] <penguin42> RoyK: You've not got an ARM quantal install do you?
[18:35] <RoyK> only precise atm
[18:35] <penguin42> nod, not got any ARM stuff setup atm - I'm suspecting bug 501277 will still happen on ARM
[18:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 501277 in gdb "gdb "catch syscall" doesn't work, missing syscalls/amd64-linux.xml" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501277


[05:01] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[06:35] <dhq> some one who is in portugal and who speaks english please ping me
[20:49] <astroo-> ola pessoal