[00:04] <Valeness> Is there a way to remove an application listing from the menu with a CLI command?
[00:06] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: *usually* (and it doesn't have to be this way, it just often is) you're running the commands from the destination machine
[00:06] <nerium> I've a server that's currently having a load average of over 9
[00:06] <nerium> Can anyone see anything wrong in top output?
[00:06] <nerium> http://i.imgur.com/iWkgpNo.png
[00:06] <nerium> http://i.imgur.com/iWkgpNo.png
[00:06] <FloodBot1> nerium: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:06] <MrPPS> i.e., you're setting on machine "A", and pulling from "machine "B"
[00:06] <DANtheBEASTman> I'm transitioning from debian stable to ubuntu precise. somebody please explain to me how I'm supposed to get newer packages? on debian backporting was simple. on ubuntu it's proving to be a nightmare. I'd prefer not to use ppas that aren't maintained by upstream.
[00:06] <Yowl> I made a partition, but it seems to have been made with high restriction permission setting, How do i open up its permissions?
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  what filesystem did you put on it?
[00:07] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: ext4
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  then you need to use chown/chmod to have it owned by whatever users/groups you want to have access to it.
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> its not 'high restriction permissions' ;) its owned by root by default.
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> whats the mountpoint of the filesystem at this time?
[00:08] <Ubnoobtu> MrPPS I've ran the command on the pc I want receiving it, and it didn't ask for the PW or anything, its just thinking
[00:08] <Dem> hello
[00:08] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: what is your exact command?
[00:08] <omixam> How can install mtpfs?
[00:09] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: How So how do I chown it? Mount point? not sure, base level I guess
[00:09] <Ubnoobtu> MrPPS, sudo ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:09] <Dem> who likes ubuntu 13.10
[00:09] <k1l> Ubnoobtu: dont sudo ssh
[00:09] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: you don't need to run that as sudo
[00:09] <Ubnoobtu> its stopped
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  you mount a filesystem to some directory (which Must exist befor you mount it) then you chown/chmod that directory as needed
[00:09] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: second, just ssh'ing into it won't get you any files
[00:09] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: which computer are the files you want located?
[00:09] <MrPPS> and in which folder are they?
[00:09] <Ubnoobtu> it says connect to host ip.here.0.1. port 22: connection timed out
[00:09] <k1l> Ubnoobtu: dont use sudo with every command. think before using sudo
[00:09] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: Media\ and a really long number
[00:10] <omixam> which is the repossitory fo mtpfs?
[00:10] <heywood> experimenting with freeNX, just installed it on my 12.04 LTS box. i already have passwordless (key-based) ssh access set up to that machine. can i re-use the same keypair for freeNX?
[00:10] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: alright, let me give you a scenario
[00:10] <MrPPS> lets say you're using computer with ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:10] <MrPPS> and you want files on computer <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:11] <MrPPS> the file that you want is located in the folder: /home/robert/IwantTHIS.jpg
[00:11] <MrPPS> so, you'd go to the terminal on your computer (the computer that is <IP_ADDRESS>)
[00:11] <MrPPS> and you would type:
[00:12] <MrPPS> scp robert@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/robert/IwantTHIS.jpg ./IwantTHIS.jpg
[00:12] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: and what that does, is the following
[00:12] <MrPPS> scp - says to use "SCP", which is a program to copy files over SSH
[00:12] <Garzak> Hello everyone. I have a problem with... Minecraft! I can access the launcher, but when I clic "Play", the Minecraft windows doesn't appear (I just get a "?" icon on the unity left pane). I tryed with openjdk 6/7, oracle-java 6/7, but still the same issue. Does anyone here have an idea please ? :p
[00:12] <MrPPS> second field tells it the location of the remote file, in the format user@host:/file/location
[00:12] <MrPPS> third field tells it where you want it to go locally
[00:12] <MrPPS> in this case, "./" just says current folder
[00:12] <nerium> Anyone?
[00:13] <MrPPS> and you can specify a name after that, or if you don't, it'll keep its original name
[00:13] <MrPPS> I hope that helps Ubnoobtu
[00:13] <Ubnoobtu> that clears up a lot,
[00:13] <Ubnoobtu> but how do i get past
[00:13] <Ubnoobtu> it says connect to host ip.here.0.1. port 22: connection timed out
[00:13] <MrPPS> that means your trying to connect to a machine which does not have SSH running
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  ie:     sudo mount /dev/sdd1   /media/sdd1
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  sudo chown bubba:bubba /media/sdd1
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  the long number is the uuid. You can mount it whever you want
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  the auto mounting system uses the UUID if the filesystem has no LABEL
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  so you can chown/chmod that /media/thenumber
[00:13] <MrPPS> if you copied and pasted that
[00:14] <MrPPS> ip.here.0.1
[00:14] <MrPPS> is not an ip address
[00:14] <Ubnoobtu> I was trying to connect to this one
[00:14] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: and if you redacted that, there's not really a need to
[00:14] <MrPPS> if it's on your LAN
[00:14] <Ubnoobtu> oh
[00:14] <MrPPS> because LAN addresses are not unique - they're used all over the world
[00:14] <Ubnoobtu> I'm worried, I read a lot about SSH services being a big help for hackers
[00:14] <MrPPS> so I could tell you mine is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:14] <MrPPS> but that means nothing, because it's a "private" address
[00:15] <Ubnoobtu> to get into your system if its unprotected
[00:15] <Ubnoobtu> i see
[00:15] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: additionally, even if you gave me your public IP address, I still don't know your password
[00:15] <MrPPS> so it's going to be much more effort than it's worth to break in :P
[00:15] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: But I did give the partition a label
[00:15] <MrPPS> but, LAN IP addresses are always safe to give away
[00:16] <themhz> ubuntu 13.10 is LTS?
[00:16] <Pici> themhz: no.
[00:17] <MrPPS> themhz: no, every 2 years
[00:17] <MrPPS> so 14.04 will be next
[00:17] <Ubnoobtu> okay, so the computer I am using is <IP_ADDRESS>, I want the folders on <IP_ADDRESS>, so I type spc -r connell@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/connell/music to get the folder?
[00:17] <hitsujiTMO> themhz: no ... lts is every 2 years ... i.e, 12.04, 14.04, 16.04 etc
[00:17] <Pici> themhz: 10.04, 12.04 etc
[00:17] <MrPPS> themhz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[00:17] <themhz> ok thank you
[00:17] <themhz> each year grows one V?
[00:17] <MrPPS> themhz: each .5 year
[00:17] <themhz> ok
[00:17] <themhz> thank you
[00:17] <Pici> themhz: The release numbers are the YEAR.MONTH of release
[00:17] <hitsujiTMO> themhz: the versioning is Year.Month
[00:17] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: almost - you'd have to put the destination at the end of that
[00:18] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: also, I think you installed SSH in <IP_ADDRESS> before, but not on <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:18] <MrPPS> so make sure it's installed on <IP_ADDRESS>, or else you won't be able to connect to it
[00:18] <Ubnoobtu> I have ssh installed on both, is that bad?
[00:18] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: it's not
[00:18] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: was just making sure you had it installed is all
[00:18] <MrPPS> I have it installed on all my computers + servers
[00:18] <vcs> ./set theme pandemonium
[00:18] <MrPPS> so no need to worry :P
[00:19] <Guest2376> i have caffine running , and disable screensaver checked and my screensaver keeps activating, can someone assist
[00:19] <Ubnoobtu> okay, thanks, and should I reset the ssh services before I try to connect? or how can I make sure they are running coorectly?
[00:19] <vacho> I am setting up a linode for a LAMP server, should I go with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or 13.10??
[00:19] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: you can type: sudo service status ssh
[00:19] <MrPPS> that will tell you if it's running
[00:19] <MrPPS> vacho: I'd suggest 12.04 LTS
[00:19] <MrPPS> then upgrade to 14.04 LTS when it comes up
[00:20] <MrPPS> iirc, there's an upgrade path from each LTS to the next
[00:20] <vacho> aight, got it
[00:20] <vacho> 12.04 is still being updated and supported right?
[00:20] <MrPPS> vacho: correct, I use it for my web and mail serveres
[00:20] <MrPPS> servers*
[00:20] <MrPPS> and am still regularly getting updates
[00:20] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: Is the Bubba:bubba if its named that? or is that part of the command?
[00:20] <Ubnoobtu> connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo service status ssh [sudo] password for connell:  status: unrecognized service
[00:20] <MrPPS> and will do so until october 2017
[00:20] <Ubnoobtu> wtf, I know I installed it
[00:20] <vacho> MrPPS: aight, going to attend to install virtualmin/webmin
[00:20] <MrPPS> vacho: which you can see from that website I linked :)
[00:21] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: are you sure? try installing it again, and see what happens
[00:21] <Pici> !webmin | :(
[00:21] <vacho> MrPPS: didn't see any websit?
[00:21] <MrPPS> vacho: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[00:21] <MrPPS> :)
[00:21] <Ubnoobtu> connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install openssh [sudo] password for connell:  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package openssh
[00:21] <vacho> Pici: it says on webmin's site that it's supported?
[00:22] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: sudo apt-get install ssh
[00:22] <Pici> vacho: If you have any issues with it you'll need to take it up with them then. We don't support it here.
[00:22] <vacho> Pici: ok thanks for letting me know!
[00:22] <SmallR2002> also, openssh-server and openssh-client are the actual packages as I remember
[00:22] <vacho> maybe I should install it on debian then?
[00:22] <MrPPS> you're right SmallR2002, just ssh is quicker to type :P
[00:23] <Ubnoobtu> Setting up ssh (1:5.9p1-5ubuntu1.1) ... connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo service status ssh status: unrecognized service connell@connell-laptop:~$
[00:23] <MrPPS> vacho: what do you want to "get out" of webmin?
[00:23] <MrPPS> i.e., reasononing bhind installing it?
[00:23] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: to be fair you might want client and not server
[00:23] <MrPPS> SmallR2002: issue is the remote server isn't accepting the connection
[00:23] <vacho> MrPPS: all the admin tools. so I don't have to deal with setting up virtualhsots etc.
[00:23] <MrPPS> which, to me, would indicate a lack of ssh server, rather than client?
[00:23] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: odd, does telnet work to the same port (firewall check)?
[00:24] <Ubnoobtu> okay, so how do I make sure ssh is running aggain, and how do I get it running if its not
[00:24] <MrPPS> SmallR2002: ask Ubnoobtu :P its his issue :)
[00:24] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: I'm so not paying attention
[00:24] <SmallR2002> :p
[00:24] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: you did it the wrong way around :P
[00:24] <Guest2376> Ubnoobtu: service sshd status
[00:24] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: sudo service ssh status
[00:24]  * Ubnoobtu shoots himself in the foot
[00:25] <MrPPS> Guest2376: sshd isn't the service name :)
[00:25] <MrPPS> SmallR2002: all good :)
[00:25] <Guest2376> MrPPS: thx
[00:25] <MrPPS> np
[00:25] <Ubnoobtu> okay here is the end result
[00:25] <Guest2376> MrPPS: shouldn't caffine disable xscreensaver
[00:26] <Ubnoobtu> nnell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo service ssh status ssh stop/waiting
[00:26] <vacho> "Fully update your system with the native package manager before beginning installation."
[00:26] <MrPPS> Guest2376: has nothing to do with me
[00:26] <MrPPS> :P
[00:26] <vacho> how do I do that from terminal in ubuntu?
[00:26] <MrPPS> vacho: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:26] <Ubnoobtu> should I try to connect now?
[00:26] <MrPPS> vacho: also, I've always done my virtual hosts by hand
[00:26] <vacho> thanks
[00:26] <Guest2376> MrPPS: ya it does, i asked you +-)
[00:26] <MrPPS> :P
[00:26] <MrPPS> Guest2376: oh sorry, thought you were trying to answer a question
[00:26] <MrPPS> haha
[00:27] <MrPPS> Guest2376: no idea, in that case, don't use caffeine
[00:27] <MrPPS> aside from in my coffee's
[00:27] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: so it's stopped, in that case
[00:27] <MrPPS> sudo service ssh start
[00:27] <cvtsx> hello
[00:27] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: do that ^
[00:27] <SmallR2002> I'm having fun installing Ubuntu on an old T20 with 128MB of RAM
[00:27] <SmallR2002> this is fun
[00:27] <SmallR2002> or something like that
[00:27] <Guest2376> hi all i have caffine on ubuntu 13.04 with xscreen saver, and i have caffine running with disable screen saver checked , but the screen saver is still activated , can someone assist
[00:28] <MrPPS> SmallR2002: I can't imagine the modern versions would run spectacularly on that by default
[00:28] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: net install, going for icewm and some stuff
[00:28] <MrPPS> ah that'll run alright then :)
[00:28] <wilee-nilee> SmallR2002: netinstall  server?
[00:28] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: I plan on upgrading it to a whole 512MB
[00:28] <MrPPS> personal laptop, SmallR2002 ?
[00:29] <SmallR2002> personal and just straight netinstall
[00:29] <SmallR2002> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[00:29] <SmallR2002> from there ^^
[00:29] <SmallR2002> it has been going for a little while now
[00:30] <SmallR2002> at the 'select and install software' process
[00:30] <SmallR2002> I'm running LVM and dm-crypt on there too
[00:30] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  bubba is the users name for example
[00:31] <tuXtrack_> k
[00:31] <MrPPS> SmallR2002: you know, I've never actually done a net install
[00:31] <MrPPS> never had to
[00:31] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: that's the only way I install debian
[00:31] <SmallR2002> hardcore minimalist :p
[00:32] <Dr_Willis> extreme minimalism!
[00:32] <omixam> make: Nothing to be done for `all '. when I try to compile mtpfs....
[00:32] <SmallR2002> whenever someone says 'spin up a VM for that and we'll host it' at work it's the debian netinstall I go straight for
[00:33] <Ubnoobtu> So , made sure that ssh is running on both computers
[00:33] <cvtsx> How do i get winbuntu? (its like windows but slower)
[00:33] <Dr_Willis> cvtsx:  never heard of it. check its homepage for details i guess. since its not suppored here if its some ubuntu-spinoff
[00:33] <Ubnoobtu> and I ran the command ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I got the same error, port 22:connection timed out
[00:33] <cvtsx> Ok thanks
[00:34] <DANtheBEASTman> I'm transitioning from debian stable to ubuntu precise. somebody please explain to me how I'm supposed to get newer packages? on debian backporting was simple. on ubuntu it's proving to be a nightmare. I'd prefer not to use ppas that aren't maintained by upstream developers
[00:34] <madMan_Xanadau> if i install ccsm, make changes, then uninstall ccsm... do i keep the changes?
[00:34] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: when you ran the "sudo service ssh status" command, did it return to say that it was "start/running"?
[00:34] <Ubnoobtu> on both machines, yes
[00:34] <Dr_Willis> DANtheBEASTman:  the backports repo might have some things. but in general theres not many official 'new versions' of packages for a given ubuntu relase
[00:35] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: alright, and just to confirm
[00:35] <Dr_Willis> DANtheBEASTman:  thats sort of the point of ppa's to let users get newer stuff of things they may want
[00:35] <Ubnoobtu> I just re ran it on the machine  im trying to get the files from, and its now says stopped waiting
[00:35] <Dr_Willis> !latest | DANtheBEASTman
[00:35] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: ah, well, try starting it again
[00:35] <MrPPS> ubottu: and immediately after starting it, check the status
[00:35] <MrPPS> sorry ubottu!
[00:35] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: ^^
[00:35] <cvtsx> i like bots
[00:36] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: uninstalling it would be a bad idea it's barely stable if you mess with it anyway.
[00:36] <Ubnoobtu> Its stopped
[00:36] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, i shal not use it, don't really need to lol ;\
[00:36] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: and you did run the commands sudo?
[00:36] <Ubnoobtu> yep
[00:37] <Ubnoobtu> connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo service ssh status [sudo] password for connell:  ssh stop/waiting connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo service ssh start ssh start/running, process 19048 connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo service ssh status ssh stop/waiting connell@connell-laptop:~$
[00:37] <madMan_Xanadau> hey when I try to "sudo nautilus" i get a "IBUS-WARNING **: The owner of /home/username/.config/ibus/bus is not root!"  but i am root.
[00:38] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: gksudo that are you an admin in this account?
[00:39] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: perhaps try a reinstall on that system
[00:39] <MrPPS> sudo apt-get remove --purge ssh; sudo apt-get install ssh
[00:39] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, one ssec
[00:39] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: and if it still doesn't work, we'll take a look at why it's not
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: what do you mean you are in root?
[00:40] <MrPPS> back in 5 Ubnoobtu
[00:40] <Ubnoobtu> okay,
[00:40] <Ubnoobtu> thank you again
[00:40] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, i am the admin, the only user.
[00:40] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, this used to work with just "sudo" ... also messes with
[00:41] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, this used to work with just "sudo" ... also messes with 'gedit'
[00:41] <madMan_Xanadau> sorry *--
[00:41] <vacho> when updating ubuntu, does it automatically update the package management URL"S?
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: you seem to have lost it, it would be gksudo as well.
[00:41] <cvtsx> is a 32gb ssd big enough for ubuntu 64bit and a few apps (code blocks)
[00:41] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, how do I make myself root again?
[00:42] <heywood> hi all. anyone reasonably well familiar with freeNX?
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: Not sure exactly to be honest.
[00:42] <k1l> cvtsx: yes. the / takes something from 5GB to 10GB.
[00:43] <cvtsx> thanks k1l ;)
[00:43] <DANtheBEASTman> Dr_Willis: I'm sorry I just don't trust random ubuntu users binaries, I'd rather build from upstream source like I do on Debian, but none of the backports that I've tried are successful. I'm about to give up and go back to Debian
[00:44] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: calling yourself root is also confusing contextually, you can have super user access, but the term root is incorrect.
[00:44] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, hm probably has to do with some gparted stuff i did recently, think i mounted outside of root on install...
[00:44] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, oh
[00:45] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: might just be quickest to reinstall correctly.
[00:46] <MrPPS> alright, back Ubnoobtu
[00:46] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, i've been doin that a lot lately... with my 13.10 usb...  many problems... any bad things that can some of this? seems to be doing fine so far... been like 7 times in the last 5 days
[00:46] <Ubnoobtu> Welcome back, A reinstall didnt correct it, and I googled some and found this. http://askubuntu.com/questions/201995/bizarre-ssh-problem-it-wont-even-start
[00:47] <Ubnoobtu> I did that and that didnt help, so I am uninstalling it completely
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: these full installs or loading iso's, and a flash or hd?
[00:47] <MrPPS> LAMBODIE: don't PM with crap I don't need
[00:48] <Ubnoobtu> Welcome back, A reinstall didnt correct it, and I googled some and found this. http://askubuntu.com/questions/201995/bizarre-ssh-problem-it-wont-even-start MrPPS
[00:48] <Ubnoobtu> I did that and that didnt help, so I am uninstalling it completely MrPPs
[00:48] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee,  uhm, made a usb with a 13.10 ISO using Linux Live... and I format and re-install each time.
[00:48] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee, the ..."erase all current 13.10 files" option
[00:49] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: alright, let me know how you get on
[00:49] <Ubnoobtu> MrPPS, I see the etc/ssh folder still exsists after uninstall,
[00:49] <Ubnoobtu> how can I clean that out to be fresh
[00:50] <MrPPS> remove it :)
[00:50] <MrPPS> rm -rf /etc/ssh/
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> Ubnoobtu:  you did 'purge' the ssh packages so you removed all teh config files?
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: I can't really follow your descriptions, it is apparent this is fairly new to you, I'm not sure I can really help beyond this
[00:51] <Ubnoobtu> I put in sudo apt-get remove --purge ssh
[00:51] <madMan_Xanadau> wilee-nilee,  i hear ya, thanks a bunch man.  later, just going to re-install.
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> Ubnoobtu:  and does /etc/ssh/ still exist?
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> with files in  /etc/ssh/?
[00:52] <Ubnoobtu> Yes Dr_Willis
[00:52] <Ubnoobtu> yes
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> move those files to some backup dir..
[00:52] <Ubnoobtu> ok
[00:52] <auzzie> hey gents anyone know where i can get a list of australian professional support partners for ubuntu? looking at buying support
[00:52] <SmallR2002> might be worth running updatedb and then locate ssh
[00:52] <trism> Ubnoobtu: ssh is just a metapackage, it doesn't have any config
[00:52] <auzzie> for the company i work for
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: good luck we all start somewhere. ;)
[00:52] <SmallR2002> auzzie: this is IRC, there are no gents here :p
[00:52] <auzzie> ha
[00:52] <auzzie> sorry
[00:52] <trism> Ubnoobtu: it doesn'
[00:53] <auzzie> ;)
[00:53] <trism> Ubnoobtu: it depends on openssh-client and openssh-server
[00:53] <SmallR2002> madMan_Xanadau: might be worth imaging a fresh install so you can just revert to that when you break it
[00:53] <MrPPS> auzzie: wipro is global
[00:53] <MrPPS> but not sure that's precisely what you're after
[00:54] <cvtsx> Anyone have a ssd boot drive for ubuntu?
[00:54] <auzzie> mrpps: thanks. its a starting point... any other ideas?
[00:54] <cvtsx> I am wondering if i should get a 32gb ssd and put it in my laptop
[00:54] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get remove --purge openssh-server          Ubnoobtu
[00:54] <Ubnoobtu> It wont let me move, or delete the files, I'll need to sudo it, what the command for that?
[00:54] <madMan_Xanadau> SmallR2002, yeah i will once i have a good one up and running
[00:54] <[Gentoo]> cvtsx: yeah
[00:54] <fishduck> how do you keep vlc up to date in ubuntu? Download it manually?
[00:54] <MrPPS> auzzie: honestly, I'd contact the sales team directly
[00:54] <MrPPS> see where they put you :)
[00:55] <Ubnoobtu> Dr_Willis, you must be psychic
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> cvtsx:  check the cost/size - a 100gb is  most likely not much more $$ but  will be much bigger
[00:55] <madMan_Xanadau> here's my gparted screen, http://i.imgur.com/v7j37DQ.png i have ubuntu installed on sda5... retardedly i beleive.. wilee-nilee , SmallR2002   it's like within another partition
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> my main ubuntu box is on a 120gb SSD.   32gb would be to tiny
[00:55] <cvtsx> dr_willis whats the speed like?
[00:56] <k1l> cvtsx: a ssd speeds up the desktop alot
[00:56] <cvtsx> gentoo whats the speed like?
[00:56] <[Gentoo]> cvtsx: good
[00:56] <cvtsx> k1l ya thats why i want one
[00:56] <Dr_Willis> cvtsx:   fast
[00:56] <[Gentoo]> another benefit is you dont get the noise
[00:56] <Dr_Willis> thats sort of the main reason for a ssd. ;)
[00:56] <auzzie> MrPPS: thanks. ill look into it
[00:56] <Dr_Willis> no noise - is a little weird at times. ;P
[00:56] <cvtsx> i am currently using a 500gb 5400rpm hdd ;(
[00:56] <cvtsx> lol
[00:56] <[Gentoo]> cvtsx: and itll draw less power than a hdd
[00:56] <cvtsx> i listen to music constantly so
[00:57] <Ubnoobtu> Dr_Willis, MrPPS, Its now gotten rid of most the of the files except a few, ssh_config
[00:57] <Ubnoobtu> etcetc
[00:57] <Dr_Willis> Ubnoobtu:  rename them/remove them. it wont want to remove configs you have customized
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> madMan_Xanadau: having ubuntu in a extended is common not a problem
[00:58] <cvtsx> ya i am thinking of getting a ssd for my desktop (128gb boot with win 7 and visual studio on it) and a 32gb for my laptop (ubuntu and code blocks). But i would also like to be able to swap out the laptop ssd for the old hdd that has win8 ect. on it
[00:58] <Ubnoobtu> Dr_Willis, It wont, so how do I do it
[00:58] <woofer> hi everyone
[00:58] <Ubnoobtu> It wont let me**
[00:58] <SmallR2002> madMan_Xanadau: when you install fresh consider taking a backup of that whole partition and keeping it on a flashdrive somewhere
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> Ubnoobtu:  use sudo rights.. since you MUST use sudo/sudo rights to mess with system files.. rember that.
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> sudo mv file  /some/other/place
[00:58] <Ubnoobtu> awesome auce
[00:59] <Dr_Willis> sudo to mess with system files - a fundamental idea. :)
[00:59] <fishduck> So correct me if I'm wrong. I can create a PPA, and get people to use it, and then rootkit their systems basically?
[00:59] <Dr_Willis> fishduck:  ppa's are personal. and not in any way controlled. thats why they are  not official
[00:59] <JokesOnYou77> Hi all.
[00:59] <Ubnoobtu> Is there a easy way to copy a files location?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> !tab | Ubnoobtu
[01:00] <Ubnoobtu> and paste it as text for this type of situation
[01:00] <fishduck> Dr_Willis: in other words, yes. What bothers me is that they're kind of integrated into ubuntu
[01:00] <JokesOnYou77> How do I figure out what version of SQL I have installed? Not just MySQL but the actual SQL implementation?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> select  copy/paste/ middle click
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> fishduck:  they are not integerated.. they are just extra repositories.. that feature has been around in apt for decades.
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> they are in their own /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files. instead of the old 'toss everything in /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> fishduck:  if you dont want them.. dont use them
[01:01] <woofer> This is the busiest linux IRC ive ever seen :!!
[01:01] <Ubnoobtu>  sudo mv file /etc/ssh/moduli /etc/ssh/ssh_config  /etc/ssh/sshd_config.old  /etc/ssh/ssh_import_id    ????
[01:01] <cvtsx> Damn just found a 60gb ssd for 55 usd. would it be adequate for ubuntu and some applications?
[01:02] <JokesOnYou77> woofer, hello and welcome! :)
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> Ubnoobtu: cd /etc/ssh/
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> sudo mkdir OLD
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> sudo mv * OLD
[01:02] <fishduck> Dr_Willis: just saying that they aren't safe, but seems to be well supported by the community and the OS itself. Whether I want them or not doesn't matter. Oh well, enough of that discussion.
[01:02] <MrPPS> Ubnoobtu: sudo mv /etc/ssh /etc/ssh_backup
[01:02] <woofer> hello and i cant understand most of what everyone says :D
[01:02] <MrPPS> sup woofer
[01:02] <woofer> hi
[01:02] <fishduck> what's the difference between deb http://duck.com and deb-src http://duck.com ?
[01:02] <Ubnoobtu> I don't feel so nubish now
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> fishduck:  nothing is safe. :)  its all degrees of safeness
[01:02] <hispeed67> cvtsx: yea
[01:03] <madMan_Xanadau> SmallR2002 thanks
[01:03] <woofer> I got wattOS a distro based on ubuntu so thought id get back to my roots
[01:03] <fishduck> Dr_Willis: :)
[01:03] <cvtsx> damn a 120gb for 80 usd!!!!!
[01:03] <SmallR2002> I have an inlaw I want to build an auto-restored image for
[01:03] <JokesOnYou77> fishduck, I think that one is a repository of packages and the other is a repo of source files
[01:04] <wsz> hello
[01:04] <SmallR2002> only people I know who can destroy a computer in under a week, and repeat it
[01:04] <JokesOnYou77> How do I figure out what version of SQL I have installed? Not just MySQL but the actual SQL implementation?
[01:04] <Ubnoobtu> MrPPS: Dr_Willis. You both have been a lot of help today and I'm feeling overwhelmed by the lack of knowledge and I feel sorry for the amount of help you've both given me, I just want to say thanks again
[01:04] <n008> JokesOnYou77: sql --version
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> SmallR2002:  you can set up grub2 to be able to boot ISO files :)
[01:04] <SmallR2002> or mount everything but /home ro
[01:04] <MrPPS> no worries Ubnoobtu - we all start somewhere :)
[01:05] <pizo> ok, im a linux noob. how do I accept a EULA in terminal?
[01:05] <SmallR2002> tempting :p
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> Ubnoobtu:  might be a good idea to spend an hr or so learning some bash basics. :) theres tons of guides on that.
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> pizo:  tab key to get to the  <ok> button, then enter
[01:05] <MrPPS> pizo: hit "tab" until you get to the "agree" button
[01:05] <pizo> oh nice, totally not obvious :/
[01:05] <SmallR2002> my T20 is stuck on 10% of select and install software
[01:05] <SmallR2002> ooooh, might be moving!
[01:06] <JokesOnYou77> n008, That doesn't work.
[01:06] <pizo> I'm installing Pipelight, someone told me it would get Netflix running natively in firefox
[01:06] <JokesOnYou77> And I don't think that SQL is a package even remotely related to the relational database
[01:06] <pizo> Do you expect there will be an uptick of Linux users when SteamOS comes out?
[01:07] <SmallR2002> SteamOS?
[01:07] <n008> JokesOnYou77 :)
[01:07] <pizo> I do a lot of webdev in osx and would like to switch my home machine over to Linux entirely.
[01:07] <JokesOnYou77> How do I figure out what version of SQL I have installed? Not just MySQL but the actual SQL implementation?
[01:07] <pizo> SmallR2002, Linux OS built by Gabe Newall & team
[01:07] <woofer> I have a netbook with a 256mb shared ATI graphics chip HD6250, what graphics drivers would be best? can i install them with smxi or is there and easier way?
[01:07] <Voi> cant connect to the internet on 12.04 LTS, will detect my wireless network and ask for WAP password, but then it will just try to connect and fail; strangely it works for eg on the newest linux mint with the exact same connection settings as on my 12.04
[01:08] <n008> JokesOnYou77: you need to figure out the version of Mysql to figure out the SQL implementation
[01:08] <n008> mysql --version
[01:08] <n008> and then google mysql <versio> implementation
[01:09] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: I have worries this may not be bootable, the crypt part of this could be bogging the system down badly
[01:09] <MrPPS> eek, yeah, fair point SmallR2002
[01:09] <MrPPS> might have to bump the RAM first
[01:09] <JokesOnYou77> n008, no, I really don't think you do. And after you had no idea what you were talking about the first time I'm not sure im interested in getting the run around.
[01:10] <SmallR2002> it's been running for at least two hours :/
[01:10] <n008> JokesOnYou77: I was joking the first time
[01:10] <pizo> SmallR2002, http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/
[01:10] <n008> cos of you handle sorry :)
[01:10] <n008> I had to, couldn't resist it
[01:11] <SmallR2002> OK, just going to reinstall using LVM and no crypt
[01:11] <russ5811> Anyone know if Xubuntu mounts discs differently than Ubuntu? More spcecifically in Xubuntu the path is /user/media/discname any idea?
[01:11] <Ubnoobtu> connell@connell-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install ssh Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   thunderbird-globalmenu language-pack-kde-en linux-headers-3.2.0-51   language-pack-kde-en-base kde-l10n-engb firefox-globalmenu   linux-headers-3.2.0-51-generic linux-headers-3.2.0-51-generic-pae Use 'apt-ge
[01:12] <Ubnoobtu> !paste
[01:12] <JokesOnYou77> n008, very well then.  I know my MySQL version and it still doesn't answer my question.
[01:12] <Ubnoobtu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6321528/
[01:12] <n008> JokesOnYou77: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/compatibility.html
[01:13] <n008> I googled for you
[01:13] <n008> thats what In got
[01:13] <Ubnoobtu> this new error I get after renaming the etc/ssh
[01:13] <n008> JokesOnYou77: basically, dbs have varying compliance with SQL standard
[01:13] <SmallR2002> n008: varying? that's an understatement :p
[01:13] <n008> that page says mysql 5.5 is compatible swith SQL:1999
[01:14] <n008> SmallR2002: relatively so :)
[01:14] <JokesOnYou77> n008, right...I'm still looking for the implementation of SQL running under MySQL on my machine
[01:14] <n008> JokesOnYou77: now how do you mean implementation ?
[01:15] <n008> SQL has standards, and dbs try to comply that's as far as I know.
[01:16] <n008> JokesOnYou77: what are you trying to do really ?
[01:19] <SmallR2002> MrPPS: started again with no crypt
[01:19] <SmallR2002> lets see...
[01:21] <SmallR2002> seems to be going a little faster
[01:21] <SmallR2002> shame, now I have to worry about my data
[01:23] <MrPPS> :(
[01:23] <SmallR2002> I do wonder if I could encrypt /home and /tmp
[01:26] <vkr> hello all
[01:26] <xandxtreme> hello
[01:26] <LAMBODIE> sharp beak raises power of flying type attacks for more tips like this just ask me LAMBODIE da pokemaster and join #LAMBODIE_CLAN server for da hangout of da best pokemon XY clan on da net.
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> LAMBODIE:  most of us in here are at an age we have outgrown pokemon.
[01:28] <SmallR2002> and 'da net'
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> SmallR2002:  if you are going to do encryption.. be sure you understand how it works.. so you can reopair it when it breaks. ;)
[01:29] <MrPPS> LAMBODIE: use english
[01:29] <MrPPS> don't spam
[01:29] <MrPPS> check your audience
[01:29] <SmallR2002> Dr_Willis: I make a fair number of encrypted bootable flashdrives, I'm just used to far more powerful platforms
[01:30] <hitsujiTMO> SmallR2002: why do you want to encrypt /tmp? that could potentially break a lot of stuff
[01:31] <SmallR2002> hitsujiTMO: don't have enough RAM to mount it as a ramdisk
[01:31] <SmallR2002> if you want to be really hard core you need to encrypt swap too
[01:33] <fnordy> quit
[01:35] <SmallR2002> hitsujiTMO: given that this will sit on my desk at work I have the choice of never signing in to anything I'd rather not have others get access to or encrypt
[01:35] <Dr_Willis> hideibng stuff eh.... ;P
[01:35] <forgotmynick> Evening
[01:36] <SmallR2002> not really, just paranoid :p
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> but they really are out to get you...
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> lol
[01:36] <SmallR2002> not me, I'm not important enough
[01:36] <alainus> I recently got a sony vaio pro 11, and installing ubuntu isn't trivial yet --lot's of hacking to make things work. I also saw that Linux 3.12 will have the necessary patches. Is there a website I can keep track of to see when the notebook is fully supported ?
[01:37] <hitsujiTMO> I still don't understand why you want to encrypt /tmp ... i can understand $HOME ... but /tmp?
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> alainus, hacking?
[01:37] <SmallR2002> hitsujiTMO: lots of stuff sits in /tmp
[01:38] <SmallR2002> sometimes full copies of documents you're using
[01:38] <alainus> wilee-nilee, manually patching the kernel, etc. see https://spicious.com/sony-vaio-pro-11-with-ubuntu.html
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> alainus, There is a certified webpage but does not cover every possible computer nor is it up to date, check hardware in general.
[01:39] <hitsujiTMO> LAMBODIE: please refrain from spamming users
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> alainus, that link comes up as not trusted in FF, not really important for me.
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> LAMBODIE:  spamming users in ubuntu support can lead to USER BANNED STATUS. For more tips like these please join #UBUNTU-OPS
[01:42] <forgotmynick> My uploads with webdav (davfs2) are really slow and I think it's because they're not 'threaded' as the speeds are nominal using commercial software on Windows. Is there anything I can do about this?
[01:43] <SmallR2002> Dr_Willis: I hear they're working on m_death.so for the IRCd here ;)
[01:44] <SmallR2002> to resolve spam issues
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> i tend to just ignore all pm's ;)
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> but then you get beginner users that cant comprehend the idea of channels
[01:45] <ubnoobtu> port 22: No route to host. fml, lol, jk, immakillmyself
[01:45] <ubnoobtu> #*
[01:47] <ezoe> Sometimes, after waked up from suspend, network menu does not shows available connections, Even if I added it later. Is there a way to fix this?
[01:48] <ezoe> interestingly, if that happened, shutdown/reboot from menu doesn't work too. So I have to use shutdown -h.
[01:51] <MrPPS> lol Dr_Willis
[01:51] <MrPPS> I missed your comment above :P
[01:51] <MrPPS> haha
[01:53] <leonid> SmallR2002, you may want to encrypt /var/tmp, too.
[01:53] <Hilikus> every time i log into my computer, i get asked for my key ring password. is this necessary? after i enter that password i get asked my calendar password "Calenda authentication request", then another calendar. i can't find where i configured these calendars, can someone tell me?
[01:54] <SmallR2002> leonid: I am considering just waiting till I have more RAM in this thing
[01:54] <SmallR2002> then encrypt everything
[01:56] <heywood> how do i check if freenx server is running and listening on a given port?
[01:57] <leonid> oh, yeah
[01:57] <b-rad_> how do I install Cinnamon-2.0.6.tar.gz? I've followed instructions in the Ask community but I always get an error with the "make/install/./configure" commands :/
[01:57] <leonid> Hilikus, did you enable log in automatically into your desktop without password?
[01:58] <leonid> I had similar issues when I did it, but since I disabled it, all issues are gone.
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> if you set the keyring password to be empty - it wont ask.   i only see it ask for the keyring password wheni have auto login enabled
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  what ubuntu reelase are you using
[02:00] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: I'm currently on 12.04 (can't get Cinnamon to install from Terminal/USC)
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  newest releases of ubuntu have cinnamon in the repos i recall.
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> Ive also seen/heard where installing it in older releases can cause bad breakage
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> !info cinnamon
[02:01] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: the repo is there, but I can't get it to install at all D:
[02:01] <k4t434sis> install mint if you want cinnamon, too many issues in ubuntu
[02:01] <k1l> cinnamon is in since 113.04
[02:01] <b-rad_> Nope, not going to LM, k4t434sis
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> easy way to get it would be upgrade to 13.10  b-rad_
[02:02] <b-rad_> No can do. That broke my system last night
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  13.10 gnome-shell also has its own gnome 2 look mode.
[02:02] <k4t434sis> have fun
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> clean install perhaps.
[02:02] <b-rad_> and every version of linux that JUST came out has something wrong when I install it
[02:03] <b-rad_> So no one can try to walk me through the .tar.gz installation process to see if it'll work out?
[02:04] <k1l> b-rad_: i would suggest to look out for a PPA for 12.04
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> we would have to basically be doing the exact same thing on our machine b-rad_
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> now ifyou want to give the errors the ppa is giveing in a pastebin. or what errors the source is giving.. we might be able to help
[02:04] <b-rad_> I'll give you the last line: "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> but step-by-step - most likely is not going to happenm. ;)
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> so figure whats being held. and unhold/them force them to update
[02:05] <b-rad_> how would I go about this?
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' commonly fixes that message
[02:05] <b-rad_> soooooo forcing an upgrade to 13.xx?
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> No....
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> you are upgradeing the HELD PACKAGE
[02:06] <Dr_Willis> dist-upgrade does NOT do a 'release upgrade'
[02:06] <b-rad_> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[02:06] <b-rad_> >___>
[02:06] <k1l> sudo apt-get install -f
[02:07] <b-rad_> same response :/
[02:07] <b-rad_> 0's across the board
[02:07] <b-rad_> if it helps, it says that Cinnamon has "umet" dependencies...whatever that is
[02:12] <ravigehlot> kdm is purge yet I still get a login manager...what else could be running?
[02:15] <excesseye> q
[02:15] <excesseye> q
[02:15] <excesseye> quit
[02:17] <b-rad_> Soooooooooooooo....no hope to get any version of Cinnamon on 12.04?
[02:19] <k1l> b-rad_: what about that ppa? https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable?field.series_filter=precise
[02:20] <b-rad_> k1l: I have this PPA added, but Terminal says I "hold broken packages"
[02:20] <b-rad_> and I have a .tar.gz file of Cinnamon...I just don't know how to install it
[02:21] <mheinke> b-rad_ it should be as simple as compiling it.
[02:21] <mheinke> unpack
[02:21] <mheinke> hit the terminal into the directory
[02:21] <mheinke> ./configure
[02:21] <mheinke> make
[02:21] <mheinke> make install
[02:21] <FloodBot1> mheinke: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:22] <b-rad_> I ran the xvzf (whatever the proper command is) and I have a Cinnamon folder with a lock icon on top.
[02:22] <b-rad_> ./configure yields "no such file/directory"
[02:22] <rostam> On my system I have two distinct disk, is it possible I install the grub on one disk and ubuntu on other disk?
[02:22] <ampw> im getting a pxe error and im trying to install a intel linux driver
[02:23] <ampw> how do i do this in ubuntu
[02:23] <mheinke> so tar -xzf cinnamon.tar.gz ---> cd cinnamon ---> ./configure ----> make ------> make install
[02:23] <mheinke> b-rad you may have to use sudo as well
[02:24] <mheinke> ampw,  whats the error/
[02:24] <ampw> intel pxe error i cant boot a live usb
[02:24] <Hilikus> leonid: yes, i did. sorry for the late reply. i won't disable it. i just want to know how to disable the calendar integration
[02:24] <Dr_Willis> time to read the readme docs for the app.. it might not use the ./configure make method.
[02:24] <mheinke> b-rad_, try this as well....http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-cinnamon-1-8-on-ubuntu-13-04.html
[02:25] <b-rad_> mheinke:
[02:25] <b-rad_> 1
[02:25] <b-rad_> 2
[02:25] <b-rad_> $ sudo make
[02:25] <b-rad_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[02:25] <FloodBot1> b-rad_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:25] <b-rad_> D:< sorry
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> the ./configure script makes all the needed config files for make to work.
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> Look for a readme.txt or other docs in the dirs as to how to compile it.
[02:26] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: the ReadMe file doesn't have any instructions on what to do. It just talks about the release...it's useless
[02:27] <mheinke> is there a install.txt?
[02:27] <mheinke> and read the URL i provided above
[02:27] <b-rad_> mheinke: no there isn't
[02:27] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6321788/
[02:28] <mheinke> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-cinnamon-1-8-on-ubuntu-13-04.html
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> mheinke:  hes on 12.04 :)
[02:29] <b-rad_> mheinke: says I still have broken packages
[02:29] <mheinke> should be at least similar enough to follow
[02:29] <mheinke> b-rad have you installed any bad ppas?
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> fixing the pacakge issue may be the better way to go.
[02:29] <b-rad_> I don't know how to fix anything in Linux -_____-
[02:30] <b-rad_> I'm assuming the PPA is bad...that or the packages in the PPA are bad
[02:30] <mheinke> b-rad_, do you get errors when you run sudo apt-get update
[02:30] <mheinke> if you get an error running that...then the ppa is bad and you need to remove it (software sources)
[02:30] <b-rad_> mheinke: yes
[02:31] <mheinke> open software & updates from the unity launcher
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> b-rad_, You might consider the nest install once working and updated before you tweak it cloning it, so you can just reload that to save time when you break it.
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> next*
[02:31] <mheinke> and remove the third party PPA that you added
[02:31] <mheinke> then run sudo apt-get update again
[02:31] <mheinke> make sure you get no errors
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> !ppa-purge | b-rad_
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> or perhaps just use the classic mode of ubuntu and forget about cinnimna
[02:32] <mheinke> id just do it from the UI wilee-nilee
[02:32] <mheinke> he doesnt seem to be CLI savvy yet
[02:33] <b-rad_> ubottu: I manually removed the Cinnamon repos. Gonna re-add
[02:33] <mheinke> b-rad_, before you re-add
[02:33] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: I HATE HATE H A T E the default DE...runs so slowly
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> mheinke, removing a ppa does not remove what it installed if that is the problem.
[02:33] <mheinke> wilee-nilee, right but he didnt get that far
[02:33] <b-rad_> wilee-nilee: the problem IS installing...
[02:33] <mheinke> errors on apt-get update
[02:33] <leonid> Hilikus, sorry, I don't know.
[02:33] <b-rad_> mheinke: no errors this time without the Cinnamon repos
[02:34] <mheinke> ok so dont readd them
[02:34] <b-rad_> D:<
[02:34] <mheinke> they are obviously broken
[02:34] <n008> is it a good idea to install cinnamon ?
[02:34] <b-rad_> fawk
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> mheinke, I have not seen any info that confirms much of what has been done overall, is all I would say.
[02:34] <mheinke> i would just get used to Unity. or run Mint if you want Cinnamon
[02:34] <b-rad_> wilee-nilee: I can pastbin you every error in my terminal...lol
[02:35] <b-rad_> mheinke: I ran two versions of mint last night and both broke themselves
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> b-rad_, My advice in reinstall and clone it, then breal away.
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> break*
[02:35] <mheinke> b-rad_, really? Mint is typically VERY stable
[02:35] <n008> mheinke: b-rad_ you had problems with Cinnamon ?
[02:35] <Mindy> hi everyone, I am from China.
[02:35] <b-rad_> wilee-nilee: don't have that kind of time :/
[02:35] <cfhowlett> Mindy, nihao
[02:35] <mheinke> hi Mindy!
[02:35] <cfhowlett> I'm IN China!
[02:35] <n008> Mindy welcome to China
[02:36] <mheinke> b-rad_, then just get used to unity?
[02:36] <Mindy> cfhowlett: can we speak chinese?
[02:36] <b-rad_> mheinke: I promise. LM15 was broken on install...certain things did not work with Cinnamon (settings wouldn't save). THEN LMDE worked but then it installed a bunch of updates and Cinnamon freaked out and stopped working
[02:36] <cfhowlett> Mindy, nope.  sorry. but...
[02:36] <cfhowlett> !cn
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> b-rad_, Heh, poor excuse really, you have no idea how long this picking at it will take, but carry on. ;)
[02:36] <cfhowlett> Mindy, english channel is here.  #ubuntu-cn for Chinese.
[02:36] <cfhowlett> !kylin
[02:36] <b-rad_> wilee-nilee: cool. I don't care. I'm just trying to get help. Maybe I'll install KDE >__>
[02:37] <b-rad_> ANYTHING but unity is fine by me
[02:37] <mheinke> b-rad_, KDE is not a bad choice.
[02:37] <mheinke> but then just install kubuntu
[02:37] <Mindy> cfhowlett: I just have a asking and i like talking in english
[02:37] <b-rad_> mheinke: it's the only other route I can take :/
[02:37] <cfhowlett> Mindy, also se   http://www.ubuntukylin.com/#
[02:37] <mheinke> b-rad_, kubuntu or xubuntu might be right up your alley
[02:37] <mheinke> XFCE or KDE
[02:38] <b-rad_> mheinke: I'd be all for downloading the ISO files but I have shoddy internet :/
[02:38] <Pwnna> hey guys. this bug (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70151) affects ubuntu 13.10. Any plan to fix this ASAP? It's pretty bad
[02:38] <mheinke> im a big fan of using flavors that have already been built. why reinvent the wheel
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> Lubuntu and xubuntu are rather old-skool gnome2-sh in look also
[02:39] <Mindy> cfhowlett:  I don't want to ask questions about how to opeart ubuntu, i just get here have a look
[02:39] <mheinke> ive gotten used to unity. ive built a couple of custom scopes for the launcher..im not sure i could live without it at this point
[02:40] <b-rad_> mheinke  Dr_Willis: how does Mate differ from Unity?
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> id still rather have more 'focused' searching.. 90% of the time i want to seearch askubuntu.com  - but im always like enableing/disabling the other search 'scopes' to either get Just askubuntu, or switching to normal seearching
[02:40] <mheinke> b-rad Mate is more like the old Gnome 2
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_: i dont use mate. I find the idea behind it pointless.
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> Gnome-shell guys have their own official gnome-2ish look now. so i imagine these other gnome2-spinoffs will die out in the next year or so
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> if i want old skool look. - i use Lubuntu or xubuntu
[02:41] <mheinke> i use gnome 2 all day at work..(rhel webservers that i manage) i hated gnome 2 when it was out, i hate it now..and mate just reminds me of that
[02:41] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: I don't even know what it looks like, lol
[02:42] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: I would be all for Unity if it didn't lag lack fawk on my system
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  no idea. its a gnome2 spinoff-  with little supprt/active development i imagine.
[02:42] <b-rad_> like*
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  i use xubuntu and lubuntu on my low end machines
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> both are actively supported and developed.
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Chromecast dongle working now in ubuntu.. now if only i could find more  chromecast enabled apps/ :)
[02:43] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: again I would love to download another ISO but my internet sucks. Christmas will arrive before it finishes downloading...
[02:43] <mheinke> b-rad_, you can download xfce from the terminal
[02:44] <mheinke> sudo apt-get install xfce
[02:44] <b-rad_> awesome. appreciate it :P brb
[02:44] <mheinke> then reboot and choose it
[02:44] <mheinke> its going to take awhile to download
[02:45] <mheinke> downloading desktop environments is a pain
[02:45] <crazybotsmoker> if I'm upgrading the ram from 4GB to 8GB on my 64 bit ubuntu server minimal install, do I need to do anything special?
[02:45] <crazybotsmoker> or will it be regonized automatically
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> crazybotsmoker:  should all be automagicly done
[02:45] <mheinke> crazybotsmoker, assuming that the RAM is all the same speed etc...should be find
[02:45] <mheinke> fine
[02:45] <mheinke> bounce the box and itll be there
[02:45] <crazybotsmoker> its all 1333mhz
[02:45] <mheinke> MAN im so happy i work with virtual servers...
[02:46] <mheinke> i dont have to deal with that anymore
[02:46] <crazybotsmoker> mheinke I'd like to install vsphere
[02:46] <n3tfr33> #ubuntu-br
[02:46] <crazybotsmoker> but i think i need a better machine for it
[02:46] <mheinke> i have 2 head units and 2 SANS that i manage i love it
[02:46] <mheinke> when i need more ram..i just click the button
[02:46] <mheinke> :P
[02:47] <b-rad_> back. going to run the terminal command for xfce...wish me luck
[02:47] <b-rad_> AWESOME...unable to locate...
[02:47] <crazybotsmoker> I'd love that, this paticular machine just runs a personal percona database with a ngix server
[02:47] <mheinke> b-rad_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/223536/how-can-i-install-xfce-along-side-unity
[02:48] <kostkon> b-rad_: apt-get install xubuntu-desktop maybe?
[02:48] <cfhowlett> b-rad_, sudo apt-get install xfce4   for desktop environment only - no programs
[02:49] <b-rad_> mheinke: beat you to it, lol
[02:49] <b-rad_> cfhowlett: had to add the repo first xD thanks
[02:49] <b-rad_> Alright...downloading it now, peeps >___<
[02:50] <shroomduke> how do i restart networking on 13.10
[02:50] <mheinke> shroomduke,  /etc/init.d/networking restart
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[02:51] <FloodBot1> LAMBODIE: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:51] <b-rad_> O___0
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[02:52] <b-rad_> mheinke: what's it mean "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place"? it stops after that
[02:52] <shroomduke> /etc/init.d/networking restart  didn't seem to work
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[02:53] <shroomduke> I had some big problems after trying to install video driver now I have sundry issues poping up
[02:53] <b-rad_> screw it! time to reboot. ttyl if I have any troubles
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[02:55] <mheinke> shroomduke, sudo service network-manager restart
[02:56] <mheinke> shroomduke,  sorry, i work in RHEL more often then not, still getting used to upstart "service" command instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d....
[02:56] <shroomduke> I thought I sudo'ed it but I don't see it in the buffer, humm...
[02:56] <mheinke> i couldnt find it in the buffer either
[02:56] <mheinke> but its there
[02:56] <mheinke> i just tested it
[02:56] <mheinke> :P
[02:57] <FloodBot1> mheinke: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:57] <shroomduke> oh yea, it came back with "Please use the 'service' command instead"
[02:57] <mheinke> sudo service network-manager restart
[02:58] <mheinke> that should work
[02:58] <shroomduke> I'll note that
[02:59] <SPEEDWAVE> anyone please help me my dota 2 hero and trees are invisible using steam anyone knows how to fix it?
[02:59] <shroomduke> looks like it might, I'll test it, bbl
[02:59] <baron_zemo> how do i install GTK Soruce 3.0 on 13.10??
[03:00] <mheinke> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/gtk+3.0
[03:00] <mheinke> baron_zemo ^^^
[03:00] <cfhowlett> SPEEDWAVE, steam issue, ask steam support
[03:01] <SPEEDWAVE> cfhowlett, ok
[03:02] <baron_zemo> mheinke, thanks, which of the 3 do i download?  or does it not matter?
[03:03] <b-rad_> mheinke: omfg....XFCE...is so old school xD the only issue this DE has is that Terminal won't run
[03:03] <shroomduke> am i here
[03:03] <mheinke> baron_zemo, not sure lol
[03:03] <cfhowlett> b-rad_, perhaps an install of xubuntu is in order
[03:03] <shroomduke>  sudo service network-manager restart worked, thanks!
[03:03] <mheinke> b-rad_, yea thats what you are going to get...either it looks like that...or it looks like unity/Gnome 3...
[03:04] <shroomduke> i knew the answer was simple
[03:04] <mheinke> or you go with E18 and get something that looks like a mac
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  terminal works fine in xfce.. unless you got some weird issues going on
[03:04] <b-rad_> mheinke: and Terminal doesn't run D:< what the elf?
[03:04] <mheinke> shroomduke, no sweat any time
[03:04] <mheinke> b-rad_, im sure it does...you have something goin on with your system
[03:04] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: It opens with a blank black screen. no text, and nothing happens when I type
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  you installed 'xfce' or the 'xubuntu-desktop' package?
[03:05] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis xfce O___0 there a difference?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  run gnome-terminal perhaps
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  yes theres a differance.. otehr wise why have 2 pacakges. :)
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu-desktop = the FULL set of xfce+ubuntu addons for xfce
[03:06] <b-rad_> WELL it doesn't matter...if I need terminal I guess I'll switch over xD
[03:06] <b-rad_> thanks for all the help, everyone.
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  any X terminal app can run in xfce
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> or on any desktop
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> terminator. gnome-terminal, xfterm.  rxvt, xterm...
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> any can work on xfce
[03:06] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: yes, but in this DE terminal runs but I cannot see anything in the box. it's just black
[03:07] <jimmy51_> hello.  i have a webcam that provides video and audio streams like through<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS> currently if i open two windows of VLC and open those both as network stream locations I can get video and audio.  is there a way to combine them in one instance of VLC?  i'd also like to launch it from the command line rather than clicking through the UI each time
[03:07] <jimmy51_>  (baby monitor)
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> check its theme/settings  and its about menu. to see what terminal is really is
[03:08] <mheinke> b-rad_, install xubuntu-desktop
[03:08] <b-rad_> mheinke: hold on. looking for the info Dr_Willis asked for
[03:09] <mheinke> jimmy51_, there might be for the first question....the second question is a definite yes...but it would take some work
[03:09] <b-rad_> Dr_Willis: it's called Xterm and UXTerm
[03:10] <jimmy51_> mheinke:  i've tried the box that says to check it to synchronously play another file.  i put the audio.cgi path in there but i never get audio.
[03:10] <jimmy51_> (although if i intentionally give it a typo like http://user:password/ipaddress/audioWRONG.cgi it errors and says it can't find it
[03:10] <mheinke> hmm
[03:10] <mheinke> thats odd
[03:11] <b-rad_> okay, now that's all working, I'll ttyl. Thanks again for the help!
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> b-rad_:  theres literally dozens of terminal apps.  xterm and uxterm are rather old skool.  xfce has its own terminal i think called...xfce4-terminal
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> thats its name here. ;)
[03:12] <jimmy51_> mheinke: ah... i'm incorrect.  if i put just audio.cgi (no path) it errors thinking it's a local file it can't find.  if i just mistype the url it fails silently
[03:12] <mheinke> that makes more sense
[03:20] <SPEEDWAVE> how to update my openGL
[03:20] <LuminNaughty> hello. can anyone help me with a problem with Quetzal?
[03:21] <mheinke> LuminNaughty, maybe
[03:21] <mheinke> ask?
[03:21] <LuminNaughty> okay mheinke
[03:21] <cfhowlett> !quetzal
[03:22] <Guest31593> how do you delete past terminal lines
[03:22] <LuminNaughty> i just set up a dual boot with Quetzal and I set up a password to get into the system. but the setup didn't ask me to confirm the password. now when I enter the password it says its incorrect
[03:22] <mheinke> Guest31593, the command clear
[03:22] <mheinke> $clear <enter>
[03:23] <Guest31593> so it will delete is forever right
[03:23] <mheinke> oh you are looking to delete history?
[03:23] <mheinke> not just the lines above?
[03:23] <Guest31593> yeah
[03:23] <mheinke> ok
[03:24] <mheinke> go to your home directory in the terminal
[03:24] <mheinke> cd /home/username
[03:24] <mheinke> then ls -la
[03:24] <mheinke> you should see a file called .bash-history
[03:24] <mheinke> delete that file
[03:25] <mheinke> rm -rf .bash-history
[03:25] <Guest31593> okay thank you
[03:25] <mheinke> or .bash_history (depending)
[03:26] <mheinke> whats curious is...what are you hiding from who? ;-) :-P
[03:27] <somsip> Guest31593: and history -c
[03:27] <Guest31593> my password changes and other things
[03:27] <mheinke> oh yea. i always forget about the -c flag
[03:28] <somsip> mheinke: and <picky> rm .bash_history will do it because it's not a dir and it's owned by the user
[03:28] <mheinke> somsip, thats true, but i just always rm -rf
[03:28] <mheinke> habit
[03:28] <Ben64> dangerous
[03:29] <somsip> mheinke: IKWYM, until once when I killed something I didn't mean to.
[03:29] <mheinke> Ben64, not really, you just have to not be root
[03:29] <Ben64> could still kill your whole home
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> !resetpassword
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> LuminNaughty:  boot to recovery mode. set a new password.   'sudo passwd username'
[03:29] <mheinke> Ben64, true..but i always double check anything im typing into a terminal
[03:30] <mheinke> Ben64, and, anything im nervous about...i write a script for rather then free hand it
[03:31] <Guest31593> another question how would I do the same for metasploit
[03:32] <mheinke> i dont have too much experience with the metasploit framework
[03:32] <Guest31593> neither do I
[03:33] <mheinke> pentesting is something i try not to get into. except at work..which we arnt allowed to use tools
[03:33] <mheinke> its a write your own kind of environment
[03:34] <mheinke> Guest31593, im sure that google, or the metasploit framework book has the answer :)
[03:34] <Guest31593> Okay
[03:35] <msdw> mheinke: i got some books that can help you
[03:36] <mheinke> msdw, ?
[03:36] <msdw> sorry Guest31593:i got some books that can help you
[03:36] <mheinke> :)
[03:37] <Guest31593> I have the metasploit pentesters guide
[03:38] <msdw>  Guest31593:check this out
[03:39] <Guest31593> Okay, how did you do that I am still rather new to IRC
[03:39] <msdw> do what
[03:39] <loa> hello, i have such configuration on server. I have ssh with disabled login for root. How i can connect to sftp for root access?
[03:39] <shroomduke> i didn't see nuthen
[03:39] <loa> is it possible?
[03:39] <Guest31593> the file transfer
[03:39] <loa> i have filezilla now
[03:40] <mheinke> loa, why would you want ftp access for root?
[03:40] <loa> for example edit configuration files using geany :)
[03:41] <shroomduke> you want to log in as root loa?
[03:41] <loa> yes
[03:41] <mheinke> that is..a terrible idea :P
[03:41] <Ben64> why not just edit the files using ssh?
[03:41] <loa> i have user there which can do sudo
[03:41] <loa> because it is bad practice too =/
[03:41] <loa> i changed that config files last week
[03:41] <loa> and change root password.
[03:41] <loa> changed *
[03:42] <Ben64> you shouldn't set a root password
[03:42] <shroomduke> do it with sudo
[03:42] <Ben64> sudo vim /path/to/foo.conf
[03:42] <mheinke> never, ever ever ever run as root for any period of time
[03:42] <shroomduke> what do you want to edit
[03:43] <loa> ok i understand you opinion.
[03:43] <loa> your *
[03:44] <loa> for example last what i done i need to create folder in etc and copy there bunch of files.
[03:44] <loa> it was hard
[03:44] <loa> first i copy files to user home folder
[03:44] <Ben64> its not opinion. enabling root ftp, enabling a root password makes your system less secure
[03:44] <mheinke> create a directory in etc?
[03:44] <mheinke> wow
[03:44] <shroomduke> pratice pratice pratice loa
[03:44] <loa> after that i copy folder from user home folder to etc.
[03:44] <mheinke> the sys admin in me is crying in a corner
[03:45] <shroomduke> sudo md /etc/<name>
[03:45] <Ben64> mkdir
[03:45] <Ben64> this isn't dos :)
[03:45] <shroomduke> doh!
[03:45] <shroomduke> I keep forgetting
[03:45] <loa> yes all stuff which must use root rights, was done using sudo command.
[03:46] <loa> mheinke, it was crappy python script which must rely in /etc
[03:46] <Ben64> except when you set a root password and are apparently logging in as root to do random stuff
[03:46] <loa> and it was not run under root :)
[03:50] <shroomduke> if I were a mental patient, I'd be in a much better place!
[03:51] <ses1984> hey, i was trying to play around with samba4, so i installed samba4-clients ... and it includes smbclient version 3.6.18, not 4. is that correct?
[03:52] <shroomduke> is it possible to go back to 12.xx  from 13.10?
[03:52] <mheinke> shroomduke, its risky..but you might be able to
[03:53] <mheinke> back up your home directory
[03:53] <shroomduke> it was risky upgrading to 13.10, I don't think I have the courage to take the risk going back
[03:53] <mheinke> i have yet to have an issue with 13.10
[03:54] <mheinke> infact its better then 13.04 was for my system
[03:54] <shroomduke> I tried to install the crystal driver and it hosed everything
[03:54] <Ari-Yang> 13.04 is EOL in like 3 months right?
[03:54] <Ari-Yang> !13.04
[03:54] <mheinke> Ari-Yang, yes
[03:54] <shroomduke> but I dont know what i'm doing so it's no suprise
[03:55] <Gabboz> 12.04 server(64 bit).  Hi. I have aliases in my ~/.bash__aliases and they are correct.  However, they don't work unless I type . ~/.bash_aliases first.  Is this a bug?  I only see it in some servers I run.  Anyone know why or how I can fix?  Thanks.
[03:55] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: is it possible to go from 12.10 to 12.04 LTS?
[03:55] <mheinke> thats easier...but still going back is difficult
[03:55] <mheinke> back up your home directory
[03:56] <mheinke> Gabboz, sounds like a bug
[03:56] <shroomduke> i'm learning... the hard way
[03:56] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: how would I go about downgrading from 12.10 to 12.04? just curious
[03:56] <Gabboz> mheinke, I suppose I could add . ~/.bash_aliases to ~/.bashrc   You think that would be a good workaround?
[03:57] <Ben64> .bash_aliases is supposed to already be in .bashrc
[03:57] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: you can't really, aside from reinstalling
[03:57] <Gabboz> Ben64, i wonder.... im gona check to see if it is missing.  FYI Ive never had to edit the .bashrc on that specific server before.
[03:57] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: yeah, if I were to install 12.04, I rather re-install. Would be easier
[03:57] <mheinke> Ari-Yang, back up your home directory, install 12.04, bring back your home
[03:58] <Ben64> or just wait for 14.04 to be ready
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aurora-player/hffkcdfnepngeimbakeicmdndgbapook
[03:58] <Ben64> will be in beta soonish
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> oops - wrong paste.
[03:58] <Ben64> alpha*
[03:58] <Gabboz> Ben64, weird!  It was #'d out.  Thanks for the clue. :)
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> .bashrc:# ~/.bash_aliases, instead of adding them here directly.
[03:58] <Ben64> Gabboz: np
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> .bashrc:if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then
[03:58] <mheinke> interesting
[03:58] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: not really interested in using alpha :|
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> .bashrc parses bash_alias's if the fil;e exists
[03:59] <Ari-Yang> !downgrade
[03:59] <Ari-Yang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto
[03:59] <Ari-Yang> that does look risky :|
[03:59] <Ben64> yeah, i'd reinstall if i needed to go back a version
[04:00] <cfhowlett> Ben64, likewise
[04:00] <Ben64> just seems a bit weird to install 12.04 fresh now when 14.04 is coming so soon
[04:01] <mheinke> i lik 13.10
[04:01] <Gabboz> Ben64, im still on 12.04 and no plans to move until then :P
[04:01] <mheinke> like*
[04:01] <cfhowlett> LTS = Less Tears & Screams
[04:01] <Gabboz> hah
[04:01] <mheinke> my Nagios server (the only ubuntu server i have) is still on the LTS..and will be...forever :P
[04:02] <Ben64> seems they're really trying to push LTS, reducing non-lts support to 9 months only
[04:02] <mheinke> but my laptop here..bleeding edge
[04:02] <Gabboz> Ben64, i can understand their reasons.
[04:02] <mheinke> Ben64, if you want to sell to the server markets you have to
[04:02] <cfhowlett> I consider the interim releases to be bleeding edge beta versions ... but that's just me
[04:03] <Gabboz> cfhowlett, thats why i don't take them too seriously.  for VMs, sure.. for production workstations, noper.
[04:04] <ArielX> men, stressed out. Got a Huawei D25HW WiFi but my neighbour got the password and always connect when I/m sleeping which I dont like though cos he doesnt pay for my conection. The USER GUIDE is in japanese. Is there a way to change he WEP/WPA key
[04:05] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: this laptop is running 12.10 bleeding edge. kernel 3.11 with mesa 10 :b
[04:05] <mheinke> i havnt rerolled the kernal yet in ubuntu
[04:05] <cfhowlett> ArielX, look it up online on the huawei site and change the default password.  not an ubuntu issue
[04:05] <mheinke> im worried about all of the ubuntu specific stuff
[04:05] <guanyu_> ArielX: you cannot turn it off while you sleep?
[04:06] <ArielX> did the site iis in japense including E-mobile and Huawei
[04:06] <mheinke> my Arch box, hell yea. latest RC of the kernal
[04:06] <Gabboz> just leave router connected but pull the ethernet to modem..that should keep the thief busy :P
[04:06] <ArielX> I might leave it on cos my phone uses it as well as my wifes'
[04:06] <mheinke> but ubuntu..i know that they do some hacks to it..and i havnt played enough with ubuntu internals to understand what it is
[04:07] <msdw> ArielX: why dont you use mac address filtering
[04:07] <cfhowlett> ArielX, try admin username admin password
[04:07] <ArielX> which link and how to change it
[04:07] <ArielX> where do I log in the admin admin
[04:07] <mheinke> Mac filtering is one of the really good ways to secure home routers
[04:08] <cfhowlett> ArielX, http://<IP_ADDRESS>  should get you the adminstrative menu
[04:08] <cfhowlett> mheinke, or turn the damn thing off
[04:08] <ArielX> ha!.... good...
[04:09] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: just use the kernel ppa
[04:09] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ that's what I use
[04:10] <ArielX>  This screen is a screen for exclusive use of the setting.
[04:10] <cfhowlett> ArielX, seems the password might be the imei number.  look on your device
[04:10] <ArielX> yes seen the log in page now wrong password
[04:10] <mheinke> Ari-Yang, thanks! i didnt know that existed !
[04:10] <ArielX> tried
[04:10] <ArielX> operator
[04:10] <hellangel> morning :)
[04:10] <ArielX> admin
[04:10] <ArielX> tech
[04:10] <FloodBot1> ArielX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:10] <ArielX> all wrong
[04:10] <hellangel> for questions regarding avconv, can someone recommend me a channel?
[04:10] <cfhowlett> ArielX, again, not an ubuntu issue.   seek huwei help
[04:11] <mr-rich-76> Every time I close my laptop, sound stops working. 13.10 - system76 laptop - any ideas?
[04:11] <hellangel> since sharp avconv is pretty much empty :)
[04:11] <cfhowlett> hellangel, #ubuntustudio
[04:11] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: you're welcome, easy to install a kernel from there. grab the image, headers, and the headers-all; throw it into a folder and run dpkg -i *.deb done
[04:11] <hellangel> cfhowlett, sweet, thank you
[04:11] <Alloyed> hellangel: try #libav or #ffmpeg or something
[04:12] <hellangel> Alloyed, #ffmpeg might actually be also a great idea, thanks for the suggestion
[04:12] <Ari-Yang> mheinke: this is the ppa I use for mesa 10 and updated optimized drivers https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ mainly for hardware video decode on open source radeon driver via vdpau (UVD)
[04:13] <LostyJai> anyone know any real time replication software besides DRBD?
[04:14] <LostyJai> one is primary, secondary can be read only
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> real time replication of what?
[04:21] <xlogik> Hey all, is there a way to reset my hdmi port via the cmdline?
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> xlogik:  i almost hate to ask why you want to do that. ;)
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> or need to.
[04:23] <xlogik> well I have my laptop hooked up to the HDtv but for some reason the tv is not connecting to the laptop
[04:23] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: i think he lost his hands in the war. P.S. Don't mention the war.
[04:23] <Dr_Willis> xlogik:  most laptops have that fn-SOMEKEY that toggles the monitors/displays used.
[04:23] <xlogik> ah....
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> ive seen some older laptops that dont like it if the external monitor is not plugged in when you power on the laptop. (but thats old ones) :)  non hdmi
[04:24] <mheinke> typically its f(f4)
[04:24] <ArielX> cfhowlett
[04:24] <cfhowlett> ArielX, yes?
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> people have laptops for ages.. and never notice that (normally light blueish) printing on some of the keys. ;)
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> and how it matches up to the fn keys blue printing also. ;)
[04:25] <xlogik> Ty yeah F4 worked but now i cant see my laptop screen
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> hit it again
[04:25] <xlogik> i did.. lol
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> monotor 1, 2, both on, are normally how mine ork
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> work
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> you might need to then use the monitors/settings tool perhaps
[04:26] <msdw> xlogik: theres an app that admins the monitors even hdmi
[04:26] <Feef> Hi
[04:26] <cfhowlett> Feef, greetings
[04:26] <ArielX> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[04:26] <Feef> I'm lookign for some help, getting a VPN onto ubuntu
[04:26] <cfhowlett> !vpn
[04:26] <ArielX> I log in this with
[04:26] <xlogik> yeah I've switched it a couple times but I guess i have to reset the th itself.... Dr_Willis Thanks :-)
[04:26] <Feef> I loked at that
[04:26] <hitsujiTMO> xlogik: if thats the screen off button, then there's usually a seperate screen on button next to it
[04:26] <Feef> *looked
[04:26] <Feef> Did not help
[04:27] <ArielX> nope.. D25HW Huawei wifi
[04:27] <xtriz> what does this means ? i got bit confused. -> Tell the SSH client to use local port-forwarding to connect port 5,900 on your desktop to port 5,900 on localhost.
[04:27] <cfhowlett> ArielX, sorry.  officially OOVS (out of valid suggestions)
[04:28] <Feef> Anyone mind private chagting me to help out?
[04:28] <roota> if i fixed mbr would it erase or make grub malfunctional? bcoz grub2 didnt find Windows so i googled and were asked to fix mbr..ubuntu 12.04
[04:28] <msdw> Feef: try this
[04:28] <cfhowlett> roota, fix mbr.  reinstall
[04:28] <cfhowlett> roota, fix mbr, reinstall grub
[04:29] <ArielX> I question only.. you said http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ but I couldnt log in there. So I tried http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ and it logged in using this tuturial..   http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&category_id=674&content_id=12804
[04:29] <Feef> msdw try what?
[04:29] <msdw> OpenVPN
[04:29] <Feef> see
[04:29] <roota> cfhowlett Windows in /dev/sda1 .. ubuntu in /dev/sda3 ...fix mbr and reinstall grub?
[04:29] <msdw> the manual i sent u can help
[04:29] <Feef> The vpn im using,
[04:29] <cfhowlett> ArielX, and that got you to Huawie control?  Great!  now you just need to guess the login/password
[04:29] <k1l> ArielX: setting up the software on a router is not really the focus of this ubuntu support
[04:29] <Feef> Is riseup's vpn
[04:30] <Feef> using openvpn
[04:30] <cfhowlett> roota, most times grub goes to /dev/sda
[04:30] <roota> ok i try
[04:30] <cfhowlett> roota, but it depends on how you installed.  did you use the windows installation method?
[04:30] <ArielX> yes I know.. I tried alot my friend but must toturial I see online is in Jappenese PDF format
[04:30] <Feef> Now i get an error code saying invalid vpn secrets
[04:30] <cfhowlett> ArielX, :)
[04:31] <roota> cfhowlett what window installation method? i installed 12.04 from usb
[04:31] <cfhowlett> roota, OK.  so one hard drive and windows /// 7? 8?
[04:32] <roota> cfhowlett yes one hd only win 7
[04:32] <cfhowlett> !dualboot|roota, so easy a caveman could do it.
[04:32] <Feef> '/chat msdw
[04:32] <Feef> how do i private chat on freenode? lol
[04:32] <k1l> !pm | Feef
[04:33] <Feef> ^ i did
[04:34] <Feef> hes the only guy who helped
[04:35] <ArielX> cfhowlett http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ and this  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/  are they thesame
[04:36] <cfhowlett> ArielX, search the net for Huwai + model number + default + password
[04:38] <ArielX> aha.. tghanks
[04:39] <xtriz> what does this means ? i got bit confused. -> Tell the SSH client to use local port-forwarding to connect port 5,900 on your desktop to port 5,900 on localhost.
[04:39] <mr-rich-76> Hello. Every time I close my laptop, sound stops working. 13.10 - system76 laptop - any ideas?
[04:39] <ArielX> cfhowlett do I need to connect the wifi on usb to my PC before I login
[04:40] <cfhowlett> ArielX, that SHOULD connect over the net , but plug away and see
[04:40] <xll11> what
[04:41] <xll11> 's the alternative to 'polymorphism' in c? say I want to make an array that will store different shape structs?
[04:41] <Gabboz> xll11, wrong channel for that info. :/
[04:42] <k1l> !alis | xll11
[04:42] <xll11> oh, mny bad, I totally thought I was in C
[04:43] <mheinke> xll11,  even though this is the wrong channel i will say there is no real poly morphism replacement in C...traditional C predates polymorphism
[04:46] <SPEEDWAVE> how to update my mesa to 9.1.5?
[04:46] <hitsujiTMO> xtrix: it means you're using an interim machine as a proxy
[04:49] <hitsujiTMO> xtrix: should be something like this: ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 <host>
[04:50] <eoss> Just wanted to congratulate you all on your award
[04:51] <BAMbanda> trying to install haskell:http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/haskell-platform
[04:51] <BAMbanda> having trouble...
[04:51] <BAMbanda> sudo apt-get install haskell-platform
[04:51] <BAMbanda> sudo apt-get install haskell
[04:52] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get install haskell-platform
[04:53] <ola2> plz help me
[04:53] <ola2> i want to add reposirtory in apt-list
[04:53] <cfhowlett> !plz
[04:54] <BAMbanda> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6322242/
[04:54] <cfhowlett> !repository
[04:54] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO ^^
[04:55] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: as cfhowlett has pointed out, you need to enable the universe repo and run: sudo apt-get update    before you can install it
[04:56] <BAMbanda> thanks
[04:57] <ola2> i have a friend
[04:57] <ola2> i want to give him deb from repository
[04:57] <ola2> and he doesnot have them in apt list
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:58] <ola2> dpkg says openvas-scanner and others not in apt-list
[04:58] <mheinke> sudo add-apt-repository url
[04:58] <ola2> ok so u mean i will add this
[04:58] <ola2> to my friend machine
[04:58] <ola2> and then give him deb
[04:59] <hitsujiTMO> ola2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openvas-scanner&searchon=names   there's no such package
[04:59] <ola2> i know there is no such standard package
[04:59] <ola2> but what i want to do is
[05:00] <ola2> to give my friend downloade deb
[05:00] <ola2> but his machine will not recognize them as standard
[05:00] <ola2> so will not install them
[05:00] <ola2> how can i add repository offline
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | ola2
[05:01] <cfhowlett> ola2, friends don't give friends PPA
[05:01] <ola2> i will give debs from ppa package i downloaded
[05:01] <ola2> i will give those debs to firend
[05:01] <ola2> just i  want his machine to recognize them as standard and install them
[05:02] <mheinke> cfhowlett, lol
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: is it always a risk to add one?
[05:03] <ola2> i want his machine to dpkg -i *.deb
[05:03] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, yes.  but : you choose your own level of risk since YOU are your own sysadmin.
[05:03] <mheinke> lotus, is it always a risk to download software from a random website?
[05:03] <ola2> but it shows openvas-scanner not found
[05:03] <ola2> in apt-lost
[05:03] <ola2> so how to add it in apt-list
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: see above, thats what i was asking cfhowlett
[05:03] <mheinke> i was answering your question with a question
[05:04] <hitsujiTMO> ola2: what version of ubuntu is he using?
[05:04] <mheinke> a PPA is nothing more then a random website that hosts applications
[05:04] <ola2> same we both have 12.04
[05:04] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, I'm thinking that gifting a friends with a  ppa and you can't even figure out your repos is ... suspicious
[05:04] <mheinke> so you take the same risk is if you were to go to joeswebsite.org and download software from it
[05:04] <hitsujiTMO> ola2 does he have internet access?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: yes that sounds very logic
[05:04] <xtriz> when i am doing vnc to my desktop i am only getting basic X server running. no unity is displayed
[05:04] <ola2> there is no risk
[05:04] <cfhowlett> mheinke, exactomundo
[05:04] <ola2> just i want to install deb on friends machine
[05:05] <ola2> but debs are not in apt list
[05:05] <cfhowlett> ola2, maybe your friend should install it on his machine for himself ...
[05:05] <ola2> so it dpkg fails
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: but even if the package itself is 'poisoned' could it override root?
[05:05] <hitsujiTMO> ola2: add the ppa: https://launchpad.net/~openvas/+archive/stable
[05:05] <ola2> thank you
[05:05] <ola2> i m trying it ok
[05:05] <mheinke> just upgraded my php to 5.5.5 and everything is working! woot!
[05:05] <ola2> i will come in minutes after trying
[05:06] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, over my clearance level ... I've never heard of that attack method though
[05:06] <cfhowlett> mheinke, congrats
[05:06] <xtriz> how to start unity from cli ?
[05:06] <xtriz> like for xfce4 we do startxfce4
[05:07] <mheinke> lotuspsychje, cfhowlett  depends, what permissions did you install the package with?
[05:07] <mheinke> if you installed it with sudo then yea..it could definitely privex and go wild
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: what is the worst senario that could happen, when adding an untrusted ppa?
[05:08] <xtriz> lotuspsychje, you machine can get compromise ?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: im having a few nice packages added with ppa myself
[05:08] <hitsujiTMO> xtrix: startx if you have xinit installed (should bring you to default DE)
[05:08] <mheinke> lotuspsychje, worst case scenario. privilage escalation with remote exicution.
[05:08] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, cascade failure, rift in the temporal membrane, alien invasion?  *or just a fritzed machine*
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> alien ppa makes me think... :p
[05:09] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, you're an elite user ... my suggestion was that if you don't understand the basics of repo management, you might not want to mess with PPA
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: you think remote escalation could override root?
[05:10] <xtriz> hitsujiTMO, still i am getting no DE or GUI interface in my vnc connection
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: yes im not argueing mate, just wanna learn
[05:10] <hitsujiTMO> xtriz: how did you install unity?
[05:11] <mheinke> lotuspsychje, definitely i mean...thats what a remote pentester does right. comprimise your machine with an insecure package...bounce around the box, get privilage escalation..then you can do whatever you want
[05:11] <xtriz> hitsujiTMO, i have not installed unity, using ubuntu 13.04
[05:11] <mheinke> they dont override root...they get root
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: so the point is, we actually never can trust a malicious ppa...like everyone said
[05:12] <hitsujiTMO> xtriz: hmm, not sure tbh, maybe unity just gets called from login manager
[05:12] <mheinke> lotuspsychje, technically...you should never trust a PPA period
[05:12] <mheinke> but
[05:12] <mheinke> there is such a thing as "acceptable risk"
[05:13] <mheinke> sort of like...if you never go outside you wont get run over...but at some point you need to go to the store
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: maybe its wise like the trigger says, to search alternative packages
[05:13] <hitsujiTMO> mheinke: hmmm, maybe we should escalate that to never trust the repos
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> hitsujiTMO: even own official repos?
[05:13] <xtriz> hitsujiTMO, ok np mate :)
[05:14] <mheinke> hitsujiTMO, exactly...you can take it as far as you want...but there is acceptable risk..like me, on this laptop i have every 3rd party PPA installed and dev packages..etc..etc...
[05:14] <mheinke> but at work, i have to compile everything from source, disable ALL PPAs..etc
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> hitsujiTMO: an official repo could hold a vunrable package inside when the users has not updated right?
[05:15]  * mheinke feels like he needs his tin foil hat on
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: interesting technique, but how do you keep things updated?
[05:15] <mheinke> lotuspsychje, manually
[05:16] <mheinke> you manually patch. everything is from source
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: but you can never know all security holes out there...
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: you should inform yourself much
[05:17] <mheinke> we patch the same files that Cannonical patches, we just run ours from source instead of using apt-get upgrade
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: i see
[05:17] <mheinke> yep
[05:17] <mheinke> but like i said, this laptop that im on now...i have EVERYTHING enabled
[05:18] <mheinke> auto patch, every PPA, dev and proposed packages/updates
[05:18] <mheinke> because this laptop doesnt really matter
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: me too
[05:18] <mheinke> if i did that at work id be fired almost immediately.
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> mheinke: so depending on what network you want secure, its wise to think further
[05:18] <hitsujiTMO> only thing you can do if you're overly scared of anything is grab the source and go thru everyline of code til you're satisfied there's no malicious content.   ... now back to my scanning of the kernel code so i can update the bloody thing...
[05:19] <mheinke> lotuspsychje, exactly
[05:19] <mheinke> its threat landscape and security protocol. how far do you want to take it...and what is the risk if you dont
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> well its an interesting thread tnx to all
[05:19] <mheinke> hitsujiTMO, we have 2 guys who QA / Review mainline patches
[05:19] <SomeDamnBody> hey, I'm trying to set up a Virtual Machine linux and I need to get a linux that I can install on there that everyone knows how to use. It's for a group of students, we want to provide them exploitation trials (trivial heap overflows and stuff) because it's for a computer security class
[05:19] <mheinke> its awful
[05:20] <Guest16530> hi my Ubuntu login screen has a new user called Light Display Manager which i have not created. How it got there?
[05:20] <SomeDamnBody> the problem is, the recent downloads of ubuntu have heap protection built in
[05:20] <SomeDamnBody> is there an old version of ubuntu that I can specifically target, perhaps that will have an old kernel
[05:20] <SomeDamnBody> but that I can nonetheless still install in a VM?
[05:20] <mheinke> SomeDamnBody, interesting question
[05:20] <hitsujiTMO> mheinke: that can't be fun at all ... why would some take up such a job
[05:21] <SomeDamnBody> or can anybody tell me the name of the protections?
[05:21] <mheinke> hitsujiTMO, its pretty dull, but they are also DBAs
[05:21] <mheinke> SomeDamnBody, depends on how relivent you want it
[05:22] <SomeDamnBody> relivent? I only want the easiest set of configs that allow them to see how heap exploitation works with double frees
[05:23] <mheinke> you could try older ubuntu but you will be going back aways...maybe 8.10?
[05:23] <SomeDamnBody> there's some check that the standard library is doing on free that's stopping it. I need to disable the checks on this one Virtual Machine to let the heap exploit work
[05:23] <mheinke> or earlier
[05:23] <SomeDamnBody> mheinke, yeah, see I just don't want to guess about it
[05:24] <SomeDamnBody> I want solid info, because unless I know that version works, then what I think is that I'll just be bouncing around trying everything and not really knowing
[05:25] <mheinke> SomeDamnBody, wish i could help further with that..but your asking for something that simply doesnt work in the modern kernel. and when it was patched...im not sure that your going to find that info other then looking at kernel.org and going through release notes
[05:26] <SomeDamnBody> ah ok
[05:26] <mheinke> you could use Gentoo and compile a kernel yourself that has the vulns unpatched
[05:26] <Gabboz> SomeDamnBody, you could try a netsec board or arstechnica forum.. just a guess
[05:26] <SomeDamnBody> ah ok
[05:26] <saxonjf> Please help. When I try to open this website: http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/shows/travis-rodgers/the-friday-facts-with-brian-beckner-101113-54893/ the streaming is only a black box. Any ideas for help?
[05:27] <mheinke> saxonjf, do you have the java plugin installed?
[05:27] <mheinke> browser plugin..not just java jdk
[05:27] <mheinke> or the adobe flash plugin?
[05:27] <saxonjf> so I need to install the java plugin for my browser?
[05:27] <saxonjf> adobe flash works.
[05:28] <cfhowlett> !java|saxonjf,
[05:28] <mheinke> either java or flash
[05:28] <Gabboz> saxonjf, google "java test" and run sun.s test
[05:28] <specialOffer11> Hi. For some reason, I can't log in when I "reconfigure" to gdm, but I can when I select lightdm.
[05:28] <specialOffer11> If it makes a difference, I'm using XFCE as well.
[05:28] <Guest16530> hi my Ubuntu login screen has a new user called Light Display Manager which i have not created. How it got there?
[05:30] <lone> how to diagnose and fix network problem in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[05:30] <mheinke> lone, that is a LONG discussion in networking...
[05:30] <anudas> network problem?
[05:30] <mheinke> can you narrow down your issue?
[05:31] <Gabboz> lone, care to elaborate
[05:31]  * Gabboz laughs.
[05:31] <AntAnonymous> Morning all
[05:32] <cfhowlett> AntAnonymous, sez you.  afternoon in Beijing.  Greetings
[05:32] <lone> I'm using mobile broadband.I'm connected but FireFox says ;server not found'
[05:32] <xtriz> which vnc server is best supported by ubuntu ?
[05:32] <cfhowlett> !best|xtriz,
[05:32] <lone> for all websites.
[05:32] <xtriz> cfhowlett, :D ok
[05:32] <xtriz> cfhowlett, recommended ?
[05:32] <cfhowlett> xtriz, I'd ask the #ubuntu-server folk
[05:32] <xtriz> which vnc server is recommended  to be used by ubuntu ?
[05:33] <xtriz> cfhowlett, ok
[05:33] <anudas> system monitor
[05:33] <BAMbanda> I have the universe package enabled, and I can't sudo apt-get install haskell-platform
[05:33] <BAMbanda> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/haskell-platform
[05:33] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: did you apt-get update?
[05:34] <BAMbanda> yup
[05:34] <mheinke> BAMbanda, did you apt-get update?
[05:34] <mheinke> LOL
[05:34] <mheinke> nevermind
[05:34] <mheinke> hmmm
[05:34] <BAMbanda> same output: can't locate package
[05:34] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <anudas> network tools
[05:36] <Guest21609> Hey
[05:36] <BAMbanda> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6322360/
[05:36] <Guest21609> i have a ubuntu 13.10 router
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> xtriz:  depends on how you are going to be using the vnc server
[05:36] <Guest21609> how can i overclock it
[05:36] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO
[05:36] <Gabboz> vnc server in ubuntu server??
[05:36] <AntAnonymous> thanks @cfhowlett
[05:36] <Guest21609> i Already overclocked my dvd drive
[05:36] <Guest21609> i need 100% overclock packet acceleration pls
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> go oveclock your alarm clock.
[05:36] <Guest21609> np
[05:36] <Guest21609> already done
[05:36] <jdrs> heh
[05:37] <Guest21609> 
[05:37] <Guest21609> Ω
[05:38] <xtriz> Dr_Willis, i am trying to connect vnc using ssh.
[05:38] <Guest21609> wow i rly have 2 poop but i dont want 2
[05:39] <intrader> Anyone, earlier I was helped with a problem I have with eclipse's menu. Unfortunately, the changes that were prescribed in the pastebin no longer work as I had to reinstall the latests version of eclipse (as ubuntu does not offer the latest one). My version is in /usr/lib/eclipse.eclipse (executable). When I execute this eclipse comes up but its menu does not work
[05:39] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6322360/
[05:40] <intrader> Anyone, earlier I was helped with a problem I have with eclipse's menu. Unfortunately, the changes that were prescribed in the pastebin no longer work as I had to reinstall the latests version of eclipse (as ubuntu does not offer the latest one). My version is in /usr/lib/eclipse.eclipse (executable). When I execute this eclipse comes up but its menu does not work --- sorry that is /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse
[05:40] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: looking into it now
[05:46] <intrader> Anyone, earlier I was helped with a problem I have with eclipse's menu. Unfortunately, the changes that were prescribed in the pastebin no longer work as I had to reinstall the latests version of eclipse (as ubuntu does not offer the latest one). My version is in /usr/lib/eclipse.eclipse (executable). When I execute this eclipse comes up but its menu does not work --- sorry that is /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse. The /usr/share/applicatio
[05:46] <intrader> ns/eclipse.desktop file contains as http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322378/
[05:46] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: ok, i've checked from a few precise installs and all seems ok. can you try changing repos incase its an issue with that repo
[05:46] <mheinke> you may need to talk to eclipse people intrader
[05:47] <Guest21609> why did nobody answer me
[05:47] <Guest21609> i really want overclocked packets
[05:47] <inahd> i am thinking that netflix-desktop will not work on a 64bit install
[05:48] <mheinke> Guest21609, do you know how WAN acceleration works?
[05:48] <intrader> mheinke, sorry it is a known bug in 13.10
[05:48] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, its the only link that the website offers :(, i'll try #haskell and see what they say
[05:48] <KnownSyntax> No one knows how to help you out, that's why Guest. We're all people here, not like Ubuntu pays someone to answer everyone's question in here
[05:48] <Guest21609> ok :[
[05:48] <mheinke> Guest21609, WAN acceleration is complex
[05:48] <Guest21609> man that sounds so cool
[05:48] <Jordan_U> Guest21609: Please stick to legitimate support discussion only.
[05:48] <mheinke> do you have experience with it?
[05:48] <Guest21609> Yes Sir!
[05:49] <Guest21609> no mam
[05:49] <intrader> mheinke, sorry it is a known bug in 13.10 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1221848
[05:49] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, thanks for the help though
[05:49] <mheinke> i wouldnt attempt to write a WAN accelerator...go talk to riverbed or a company who does WAN acceleration (juniper networks)
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> hmm. no menus in eclipse.. perhaps disabel the global menu just for eclipse
[05:50] <mheinke> Guest21609, that was for you ^^^
[05:50] <hispeed764> what should i use (software-wise) to create a raid array?
[05:50] <Guest21609> TY
[05:50] <hispeed764> will gpart do it?
[05:50] <hispeed764> or is that an lvm thing?
[05:50] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: ahh, its raring you're on ... i'll check that too
[05:51] <intrader> Anyone, earlier I was helped with a problem I have with eclipse's menu. Unfortunately, the changes that were prescribed in the pastebin no longer work as I had to reinstall the latests version of eclipse (as ubuntu does not offer the latest one). My version is in /usr/lib/eclipse.eclipse (executable). When I execute this eclipse comes up but its menu does not work --- sorry that is /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse. The /usr/share/applicatio
[05:51] <anudas> for eclipse, perhaps update in eclipse and check
[05:51] <intrader> ns/eclipse.desktop file contains as http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322378/ -- the bug in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1221848
[05:51] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: its not in raring ... thats your problem
[05:52] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, yeah #haskell says its not out for newer Ubuntus yet
[05:52] <mheinke> is there a karma system in this channel?
[05:52] <hispeed764> anybody familiar with software raid?
[05:52] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: its in saucy
[05:53] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: just not raring
[05:53] <mheinke> hispeed764, i am, but not creating one with ubuntu
[05:53] <mheinke> with/from
[05:53] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, can I get it from saucy?
[05:54] <hispeed764> trying to figure out what software to use to create it..
[05:54] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: you'd have to upgrade the os, or find a ppa
[05:54] <anudas> classic gnome
[05:54] <Guest21609> should i take vitamin c vitamins
[05:54] <Guest21609> 2 grow muh dik hair?
[05:55] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, so if I get 13.04, it should work fine?
[05:55] <mheinke> thank you Jordan_U
[05:55] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: 13.10 :P
[05:55] <BAMbanda> ah, ok
[05:56] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, how do I upgrade from the terminal?
[05:56] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: it seems 13.04's GHC is incompattable with haskell platform
[05:56] <anudas> apt-get
[05:56] <hitsujiTMO> BAMbanda: do-release-upgrade
[05:57] <BAMbanda> hitsujiTMO, thanks a lot man
[06:02] <mheinke> alright time to upgrade mysql...wish me luck!
[06:06] <Skaag> which package contains do-release-upgrade?
[06:06] <Skaag> it seems to be missing in some of my 'precise' openvz images
[06:08] <ola2> best way to set apt-get offline with dependencies????
[06:09] <ola2> which is best way to set apt-get install a package offline
[06:09] <mheinke> ola2, you cant apt-get offline...you need to have the packages with dependancies on your machine
[06:10] <ola2> i want to give a package to client
[06:10] <ola2> package name is openvas
[06:10] <ola2> it is not standard apt package
[06:10] <ola2> so i want to give it with my software
[06:10] <ola2> what to do
[06:11] <intrader> mheinke, please address my problem with 13.10 - it is a reported and accepted ubuntu 13.10 bug with a solution that I am unable to apply
[06:11] <Jordan_U> !offline | ola2
[06:11] <mheinke> i dont use eclipse
[06:11] <mheinke> intrader i use another IDE...i dont use eclipse
[06:11] <mheinke> its too heavy
[06:12] <intrader> mheinke, Ok - hopefully I will get help with this ubuntu (not eclipse) bug
[06:16] <sammy> so why would apt suddenly not be able to hit a mirror? I can use apt-get install <package> to download packages from it, I can browse the mirror using a browser, but doing apt-get update just says the mirror isn't there.
[06:16] <Ben64> sammy: it would help if you pastebinned the relevant information
[06:17] <sammy> Ill wait until it finishes and pastebin the output, sure. its an ipv4 address its trying to reach, the same that it resolves to when I ping it (which it responds to)
[06:17] <anudas> ubuntu software center
[06:18] <sammy> well look at that, even though it lists its IPv4 address in brackets when attempting connection, all the error messages mention an ipv6 address :(
[06:19] <sammy> that's quite misleading
[06:19] <anudas> sammy,  try ubuntu software center
[06:21] <Skaag> ok found it, update-manager-core
[06:23] <sammy> anudas: thanks for the suggestion. I think instead Ill look into filing a bug for apt-get displaying an IPv4 address its appearing to connect to when its really attempting to connect to an IPv6 address.
[06:24] <sammy> anudas: I'm assuming the ipv6 setup is just incorrect through the dsl modem/router, regardless of what apt interface I use.
[06:24] <anudas> sammy, ok, i have no problem >/]
[06:25] <saxonjf> Still having problems. When I try to open this website: http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/shows/travis-rodgers/the-friday-facts-with-brian-beckner-101113-54893/ the streaming is only a black box. I tried installing JRT and then tried Ubuntu Rested Extras, nothing works Any ideas for help?
[06:25] <saxonjf> I tried installing the JRT formats
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> thats weird.. google chrome crashed me back to the login screen..
[06:26] <saxonjf> I erased them,and made sure Ubuntu restricted extras was on. That didn't work.
[06:27] <sammy> though okay this is odd, why would apt-get update not work but apt-get install properly fetches a package...
[06:28] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[06:29] <intrader> Anyone, earlier I was helped with a problem I have with eclipse's menu. Unfortunately, the changes that were prescribed in the pastebin no longer work as I had to reinstall the latests version of eclipse (as ubuntu does not offer the latest one). My version is in /usr/lib/eclipse.eclipse (executable). When I execute this eclipse comes up but its menu does not work --- sorry that is /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse. The /usr/share/applicatio
[06:29] <intrader> ns/eclipse.desktop file contains as http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322378/ -- the bug in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1221848
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  tried just disabling global menus for Eclipse?
[06:31] <tomato16> has anyone here tried a system76 laptop?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> env UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= eclipse                     intrader   as a test.
[06:33] <aeon-ltd> tomato16: ask your real question
[06:34] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I am confused - how ? on the terminal?. There are no menus that work on eclipse
[06:35] <Ben64> intrader: you installed eclipse manually?
[06:36] <intrader> Ben64, yes - I must use kepler
[06:37] <Ben64> well, we can't support such installs in this channel, you should see if there is an eclipse specific support option
[06:38] <intrader> Ben64, yes - I must use kepler
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> env UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= eclipse                     intrader    this command runs eclipse with the global-menu feature disabled JUST for eclipse
[06:39] <saxonjf> I am having problems, I believe with Java.  I have Ubuntu Restricted Extras, but I cannot get the streaming to work on this website: http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/shows/travis-rodgers/the-friday-facts-with-brian-beckner-101113-54893/  Any assistance?
[06:40] <intrader> Dr_Willis, when I issue env UBUNTU_MENUPROXY = eclipse       from the /usr/lib/eclipse directory it tells me env: eclipse: No such file or directory
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  give the proper path to the command then. if its not in your default paths
[06:42] <intrader> Dr_Willis, the executable path is /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> so... use that instead of just 'eclipse' ;)  or cd to where its at and use ./eclipse as the command
[06:43] <saxonjf> I am having problems, I believe with Java.  I have Ubuntu Restricted Extras, but I cannot get the streaming to work on this website: http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/shows/travis-rodgers/the-friday-facts-with-brian-beckner-101113-54893/  Any assistance?
[06:44] <xtriz> what framework does askubuntu.com uses ?
[06:44] <intrader> Dr_Willis, it works when I use the fulls path in the env command. Thanks. How do Integrate it so that I don't need to issue the env command?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> edit your .desktop file
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> would be one way
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> xtriz:  Hmm. its used by a lot of other sites. :) i forget the original site.. let me look
[06:46] <xtriz> Dr_Willis, mostly the stack exchange  sites use it.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> xtriz:  'stackexchange' is the parent  of it. :)
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> but i forget what its called
[06:46] <tomato16> aeon-ltd: was just looking for people's opinions on them, thinking of picking one up
[06:46] <xtriz> Dr_Willis, it is a framework ?
[06:46] <tomato16> aeon-ltd: read some reviews about bad keyboards and what not
[06:47] <leroybdist132> hi
[06:48] <intrader> Dr_Willis, the .desktop file contains http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322378/
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> that the one you edited? looks like you got some extra lines in it.
[06:50] <sammy> well I guess the issue isn't ipv6 afterall :( after using sysctl to disable ipv6, apt fails to connect to the mirror, even though I can ping it and browse it on port 80
[06:52] <sammy> *and* I can use apt-get install to install something from the mirror. 'could not connect to... connection timed out'
[06:52] <crocket> How do I downgrade php 5.5 to 5.4 on ubuntu 13.10?
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  if you are lucky and the older version is in the repos. you can pin it.. if not... well.. Not sure.
[06:52] <somsip> !info php5
[06:52] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I guess I don't know how launching eclipse works. I have a launcher that launches the troubled eclipse without executing the env command
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  you could just launch it from a shell script and make a launcher that does that.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  as far as i know you just need to make a copy of the original eclipse.desktop file and change the exec line
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> that desttop file you pasted looks right on the exec line. but i dont know about the last few lines. those might be for the unity quick lists
[06:54] <ola2> i am not able to understand dpkg -s packagename
[06:54] <ola2> does it tells if package is installed
[06:54] <ola2> what does it tells
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> or you could just disable the global menu competely intrader
[06:55] <intrader> Dr_Willis, but how does it connect to the launcher on the left - and how do I disable the global menus?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/10481/how-do-i-disable-the-global-application-menu
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> did that edited .desktop launcher file work?
[06:55] <mnathani> How do I modify the colours used by bash when doing directory listings? It uses blue for directories which is not very visible
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> mnathani:  'man ls' i think mentions the LSCOLORS variable
[06:56] <ola2> plz help me
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> or you edit the blue color it uses in your terminal setting/profiles
[06:56] <ola2> how to check if package is installed
[06:56] <ola2> and if not install it
[06:56] <ola2> i want to write a script
[06:56] <Jordan_U> ola2: What is your end goal?
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> echo $LS_COLORS
[06:57] <ola2> to make a script
[06:57] <ola2> install a package if it is not in system
[06:57] <ola2> but first check
[06:57] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I am not sure. THe env command works. If I make a script with just that command it should start eclipse
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  or make a shell script called 'run-my-eclipse' that does that one command. then make a launcher for it.
[06:57] <Jordan_U> ola2: That's not an end goal. Why are you trying to write said script?
[06:58] <ola2> i will give a client debs
[06:58] <ola2> if already instaLLED PACKAGE NOTHING TO BE DONE
[06:58] <ola2> if no package then that package will be installed
[06:58] <intrader> Dr_Willis, when I saw that unity integration of menus, I knew it would be trouble with many apps
[07:00] <Jordan_U> ola2: So you're trying to help a single client install openvas?
[07:00] <ola2> yes now u r right
[07:00] <ola2> i will give openvas with my software
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  really ive seen very few issues with it
[07:00] <saxonjf> OK, I was able to install iced-tea properly, and got java to run properly, but for some reason, the streaming on this website still won't work: http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/shows/travis-rodgers/the-friday-facts-with-brian-beckner-100413-54453/  Any ideas?
[07:01] <ola2> so i will give debs to him
[07:01] <furoido> im having problem with setting group permissions
[07:01] <ola2> if he doesnot have openvas
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  eclipse written in java seems to cause more troubles for itself then anything else i belive
[07:01] <furoido> how can i make read/write to a certain group in the whole os
[07:01] <mheinke> saxonjf, did you install the browser plugin?
[07:01] <mIKEjONES> how do I run 32bit binaries on a 64bit system now that ia32-libs is no longer available?
[07:02] <mheinke> furoido, why would you ever want to do that?
[07:02] <Ben64> furoido: what exactly are you trying to do
[07:02] <mheinke> other then root
[07:02] <saxonjf> mheinke, Yes, the iced-tea plugin is installed and works properly
[07:02] <Jordan_U> ola2: Why not let your client install the latest version of openvas normally via openvas' repositories?
[07:02] <Ben64> mIKEjONES: multiarch, packagename:i386
[07:02] <mheinke> saxonjf, ok..what about the adobe flash plugin?
[07:02] <ola2> my company doesnot want that
[07:02] <ola2> i have told the same
[07:02] <Jordan_U> ola2: Why not?
[07:02] <ola2> but they have lost thier mind
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> !info zsnes
[07:02] <ola2> what can i do
[07:03] <furoido> mheinke, because im using a VirtualBox and it couldnt write in the OS
[07:03] <Jordan_U> ola2: OK, good luck :)
[07:03] <ola2> i told them lets give them script to download openvas from internet
[07:03] <ola2> they said no
[07:03] <mheinke> furoido, ok..well add the users to the root group
[07:03] <saxonjf> mheinke, yes, flash plugin is installed, and flash runs properly also
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Hmm . zsnes works here on my 64bit system. - i wonder if it pulled in whatever packages it needed to run 32bit stuff on 64bit
[07:03] <Ben64> furoido: what ~exactly~ are you trying to accomplish
[07:04] <mheinke> saxonjf, hmm then i dont know
[07:04] <saxonjf> mheinke, Can you pull up the page, and look at the script?
[07:04] <Jordan_U> ola2: Ideally what you would want to do would be to create your own repository containing your software, properly packaged, as well as a mirror of any package your software depends on that aren't in Ubuntu's standard repositories.
[07:04] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: I downloaded a binary from the internet, so I don't exactly know what libraries it has depencies for
[07:04] <codesmithx> ubuntu 13.10, Touchpad keeps freezing, someone save me pls
[07:05] <mIKEjONES> is there a way to just apt-get install 32bit libraries?
[07:05] <furoido> oh yeah mheinke. right.
[07:05] <mheinke> saxonjf, im not getting the video either, i have java and flash
[07:05] <ola2> Jordan_U , i am making now aptoncd
[07:05] <ola2> will it be good
[07:05] <Ben64> mIKEjONES: you'll need to know which you need, what binaries are you downloading? sounds sketchy
[07:05] <saxonjf> it's audio, but it's just a long black box...
[07:05] <mheinke> i didnt even get a black box
[07:05] <mheinke> it was white
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> saxonjf:  that site fails to play anything here.
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> long black box. ;)
[07:06] <saxonjf> Dr_Willis maybe it's an issue of the website.
[07:06] <furoido> Ben64, i was running a VirtualOS.
[07:06] <Jordan_U> ola2: That and having your company's software packaged properly, with dependencies specified for those packages it needs, is the next best thing to a proper repository.
[07:06] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: http://www.altera.com/ they're reputable
[07:06] <furoido> and it cant write in the system
[07:06] <intrader> Dr_Willis, I am surprised - obviously the eclipse folks are surprised also . I am having a problem make runMyEclipse executable from nautilus file viewer. I change permissions to executable and it still wants to chose gedit as application to run
[07:07] <saxonjf> It's just my one of my favs, and I assumed that the 13.10 issues were the cause of the problem
[07:07] <ola2> Jordan_U : ya but how to make it plz give an idea
[07:07] <ola2> Jordan_U : I will give them debs all debs are working except openvas
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  launch it from a terminal, or make a whatever.desktop to launch  the script. dont double click on the script
[07:07] <sammy> would someone- could someone try changing their mirror to mirror.uoregon.edu and trying an apt-get update for me, please? I'm wondering if something changed with the mirror and that's why I'm having these strange errors.
[07:07] <Ben64> furoido: thats still not really giving us enough information to solve whatever problem you're having
[07:08] <Ben64> sammy: why don't you change yours to a standard ubuntu one?
[07:08] <ola2> Jordan_U : any idea
[07:08] <ola2> i dont want client to use internet
[07:09] <sammy> Ben64: by standard you mean the roundrobin us.archive.ubuntu.com? I tried that and the update worked, but that still doesn't explain why the uoregon mirror stopped working for me. and if its broken for other people, I'd like to report it to them.
[07:09] <Johnson88232> Hi, will it be better to install ubuntu than xfce or start freshw ith xubuntu
[07:09] <mheinke> Johnson88232, xubuntu
[07:09] <mheinke> they have it stable and tested
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Johnson88232:  i always put the xubuntu desktop on my ubuntu installs. :)
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Johnson88232:  but it depends on your end goal. I test out all the desktops ;P
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> wife perfers lubuntu or xubuntu.
[07:09] <cfhowlett> Johnson88232, ubuntu + xfce is not quite xubuntu.  different packages.  depends what you want.
[07:10] <Ben64> sammy: well if ubuntu's worked and that other one doesn't, that sounds like good evidence that the mirror is the problem
[07:10] <Johnson88232> so unity sucks?
[07:10] <Johnson88232> :P
[07:10] <mheinke> i love unity!
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> i have no issues with unity.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> wife just needs a button for her browser.
[07:11] <mheinke> Dr_Willis, cant lock firefox to the launcher?
[07:11] <mheinke> :P
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> cant seem to get that chromeos package working  in 13.10 - thats all she really needs
[07:12] <intrader> Dr_Willis, when I execute ./runEclipse from the terminal it works. If I attach the launcher that shows in the as a left icon it does not work
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  use the full proper path to the script perhaps?  (common issue)  or have it run in a terminal.
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  you miht need the script to use #!/bin/bash and cd to where the eclipse binary is also
[07:19] <intrader> Dr_Willis, nautilus wants now to open emacs with it
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> open what?  you still doubleclicking on the start-eclipse.sh ?
[07:21] <Feef> So umm.
[07:21] <Feef> question to you guys
[07:22] <Feef> How do i get autovpn.py to work
[07:22] <Feef> Iim having major issues with vpn's on the latest ubuntu build
[07:22] <Feef> Anyone willing to help me out a bit?
[07:23] <Feef> Anyone?
[07:23] <Feef> *Criket Criket Criket*
[07:24] <intrader> Dr_Willis, the runEclips file:: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322662/
[07:24] <Feef> intrader
[07:25] <Feef> Do you know anything about settign vpn on the latest vpn build? I'm having nothing but trouble...
[07:25] <Feef> Latest Ubuntu Build i mean
[07:25] <Feef> again *Criket Criket Criket*
[07:25] <intrader> Feef, no I don't know about that
[07:26] <Feef> gah
[07:26] <Feef> this is SOOO anying.
[07:26] <Feef> *Annoying
[07:26] <dispassion> hi all
[07:26] <cfhowlett> !patience|Feef,
[07:26] <cfhowlett> dispassion, greetings
[07:26] <Feef> Sorry
[07:26] <Feef> just like
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> latest ubuntu build = is vague also. ;)    what ubuntu release are you using exactly
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> I dont use vpns either. :0 so cant really help
[07:27] <Feef> umm 1 sec
[07:28] <intrader> Dr_Willis, wow - that was an experience with 'feef'
[07:28] <Feef> ?
[07:29] <Feef> but ya, very annoyed, took me like 2 days to get ubuntu passed a bunch of error codes
[07:29] <Feef> finally got it working today and now vpn issues lol
[07:34] <intrader> Dr_Willis, thanks for your help - for now I will use the terminal to execute runEclipse. I have no idea how to the the left  eclipse icon (once locked to launcher) to execute runEclipse
[07:35] <intrader> Dr_Willis, sorry for nonsense in phrase. I amd going to bed. Thanks again!
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  if its running a differnt .desktop file then what you are editing that would explain it.. make your own .desktop thats using its own icon and so rofth so you can tell them apart i guess..  but i  alwyas have a terminal open. :) so i dont  worry about laucchers to much
[07:36] <ola2> i want to give an offline installation of openvas package
[07:37] <ola2> it is from ppa repository
[07:37] <ola2> plz help me any idea except aptoncd
[07:37] <intrader> Dr_Willis, my preference also as I have more than one eclipse
[07:37] <pixiebit> Hey guys how to automatically disown a process in bash?
[07:37] <pixiebit> I literally googled that and nothing.
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> pixiebit:  you mean like   'nohup  command &'
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> you may need to pipe the stderr/out also to null.
[07:38] <pixiebit> Okay wait so I can't kill nohups?
[07:38] <ikonia> ola2: you've been told how to do this many times, you where asking about java the other day
[07:38] <ola2> ikonia java i have installed
[07:38] <ola2> with same way
[07:38] <ola2> but openvas is creating problem
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> pixiebit:  i imagine you can kill them somehow.
[07:39] <ikonia> ola2: yes, and the process is the same for any other package
[07:39] <ikonia> ola2: follow the same process
[07:39] <ola2> i did as told and problem solved for java
[07:39] <ola2> no its not working thats why m asking
[07:39] <pixiebit> oh god how do i pipe to null
[07:39] <pixiebit> fuk
[07:39] <ola2> not working for openvas
[07:39] <Dr_Willis>  > /dev/null
[07:39] <ikonia> pixiebit: control the language please.
[07:39] <ikonia> ola2: just repeating that doesn't change it
[07:39] <ikonia> ola2: you use the same process as you did for java.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> but  i forget the stderr/out thing.. &2> or somthing like that
[07:40] <ola2> why would i disturb u im telling u bcoz i have problem
[07:40] <pixiebit> pkill works on nohups
[07:40] <pixiebit> nice
[07:40] <Somefellow> How would I set my hostname to blank?
[07:40] <ola2> error : unable to process package openvas ...
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> Somefellow:  why would you think you need to?
[07:40] <Somefellow> it's currently "server.domain.tk"
[07:40] <Somefellow> I just want "domain.tk"
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> !hostname
[07:41] <pixiebit> omg Dr
[07:41] <pixiebit> thanks
[07:41] <ikonia> ola2: look, you've been told how to do this MANY times before, you've also been told if you have a problem the information you need to provide for others to help you - please think about it
[07:41] <Somefellow> Hm, maybe I'll just set the hostname to www
[07:42] <ola2> ok tell me i will do same as u say
[07:42] <ola2> and u can try it too for openvas
[07:42] <ikonia> tell you what ?
[07:42] <ola2> for java , python and nmap its working
[07:42] <ola2> tell me how to set offline download for openvas
[07:42] <Somefellow> While I'm here, can I just give a shoutout to Dr_Willis, you've always been helpful to me
[07:42] <ikonia> ola2: I suspect the problem you are having will be down to the dependencies being needed from the PPA you are using, rather than the core repo
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> moo Somefellow  :)
[07:42] <ola2> ya
[07:43] <ola2> how to solve that
[07:43] <ikonia> ola2: download the dependencies from the PPA
[07:43] <ola2> ppa is problem
[07:43] <Somefellow> oink!
[07:43] <ola2> i did
[07:43] <ikonia> ola2: or contact the maintainer of the PPA and ask him why his packages don't work
[07:43] <ola2> but when i installed on other machine it didnot work
[07:43] <Somefellow> Now, back to breaking things
[07:44] <ola2> ikonia: i did this
[07:44] <sgo11> hi, when I do apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras, I want to ignore "flashplugin-installer" and "ttf-mscorefonts-installer". they are useless to me. how can I do that? thanks.
[07:44] <ola2> apt-get build-dep openvas packages
[07:44] <ikonia> ola2: no no no no no
[07:44] <ola2> and then downloaded all debs
[07:44] <ola2> ok
[07:45] <ola2> tell me what to do now
[07:45] <ikonia> ola2: contact the PPA maintainer and ask him for support
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> sgo11:  you install all the packages except those  individually - as far as i know.
[07:45] <ola2> ok
[07:46] <ola2> ikonia: plz could u do that
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> the point of ubuntu-restricted-extas - is its just a meta package. it just  has dependencies.. guess you could make your own  not-quiet-all-ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[07:46] <sgo11> Dr_Willis, ok. that works. but ugly. :) I am wondering if there is a flag like --ignore in apt-get.
[07:46] <ola2> means like doing what i want to
[07:46] <ola2> i m not able to understand problem
[07:46] <ikonia> ola2: no, I'm not contacting the PPA maintainer, you need to contact him
[07:46] <ola2> no u dont need to
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> sgo11:  ive never seen one.  never really looked however. ;)
[07:46] <ola2> i m asking to just try openvas install offline
[07:46] <ola2> plz if u could experiment
[07:46] <sgo11> Dr_Willis, thanks. :)
[07:46] <ikonia> I have no need to
[07:46] <ikonia> I'm not ruining my system with untrusted PPA's
[07:47] <cfhowlett> ^^^^ this!
[07:47] <bazhang> ola2, PPA are not supported here, contact the PPA maker yourself and work out the issues. Stop asking for support here.
[07:47] <ola2> dont trust ppa trust me
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  you could explain whats 'not working'  to the channel and we might be able to figure out the core of the problem
[07:47] <ola2> unable to process openvas-scanner
[07:47] <ola2> no package found
[07:47] <ikonia> ola2: you have no technical awareness of what you are doing, I certainly will not trust you vouching for this PPA's status
[07:47] <cfhowlett> ola2, "trust me" are probably the 2 most expensive words in the english language.  we don't know you.
[07:47] <ola2> im trying to set offline installation of openvas for client
[07:47] <ikonia> ola2: right - the package is MISSING, so contact the person who puts the package there, the PPA maintainer
[07:48] <wessly> i have a problem - rhythmbox won't start! i tryed thousand methods, --purge, autoremove & etc. but still won't start.
[07:48] <wessly> i'm listening with audacious2 but i want to use rhythmbox
[07:48] <cfhowlett> wessly, purge doesn't start rhythmbox ...
[07:48] <cfhowlett> it removes RB
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> wessly:  run it from  a terminal.. and look for error messages? cleaned out your users settings?
[07:49] <cfhowlett> wessly, sudo apt-get install rhythmbox
[07:49] <wessly> yes, i tryed to remove it with config and etc, all gnome reinstalled, dpkg-reconfigure but...
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> wessly:  purgeing rythembox and reinstalling it will NOT touch/remove any problem settings in the users home.. test with a newly made user also.
[07:49] <wessly> uno momento, i will paste
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> wessly:  so - test with a newly made user. see if that user works or not. that would a good step #1
[07:50] <wessly> segfault error
[07:50] <SlickRIck> bit.ly/1abgczC
[07:50] <Feef> So like
[07:51] <Feef> So like
[07:51] <ikonia> Feef: do you have a question ?
[07:52] <Feef> well
[07:52] <Feef> I'm attempting to put novpn onto my ubuntu
[07:52] <DamienCassou> hi
[07:52] <ikonia> Feef: you're in #ubuntu, this channel is for ubuntu support questions,, you're best approach is to put a summary onto one line so people can help
[07:52] <Feef> ok then
[07:52] <cfhowlett> DamienCassou, greetings
[07:53] <sam113101> is there a way to silence a job when it's running in the background?
[07:53] <ikonia> sam113101: not unless you redirectted it's output when you started it
[07:53] <DamienCassou> duplicity crashes with an exit code of '30' and a stack trace: http://pastebin.com/sKyVmmJ0. What can I do please?
[07:54] <sam113101> ikonia: aaaww, really?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  'exit' the terminal? ;)
[07:55] <sam113101> I guess I could redirect it to some file in /tmp and then tail -f to it later
[07:55] <mIKEjONES> this multiarch thing is pretty broken
[07:56] <mIKEjONES> is there a way to install ia32-libs on 13.10?
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/361084/13-10-how-to-install-ia32-libs
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[07:58] <mIKEjONES> yea ":i386" is nice... but I need something that works
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> seems it does work for packages in teh rpos.
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> repos.
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> if its not you can use the 'ldd' command to see what the binary needs from what i just read
[07:58] <mIKEjONES> it breaks on a few packages for me
[08:00] <mIKEjONES> http://pastebin.com/Z3kss2kr
[08:00] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: you need to be careful where packages are being pulled down from, not all sources will support it, eg: PPA's, 3rd party repos etc
[08:00] <mIKEjONES> ikonia: this is straight from saucy
[08:01] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: is there a 32bit package of it in the repo ?
[08:01] <Ben64> but you have other stuff that is conflicting
[08:01] <mIKEjONES> ikonia: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4276838
[08:01] <ikonia> does in conflict with a 64bit version you have
[08:01] <mIKEjONES> ikonia: no, http://pastebin.com/Z3kss2kr
[08:01] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: daily build....not stable saucy repo
[08:01] <Ben64> and wait, why overlay scrollbar 386? thats already a x64 package...
[08:02] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: well my 32bit binary application can't find it :/
[08:03] <mIKEjONES> so I think the issue is that there is no "overlay-scrollbar:i386"
[08:03] <mIKEjONES>  overlay-scrollbar-gtk3:i386 : Depends: overlay-scrollbar:i386 but it is not installable
[08:03] <Ben64> because you already have overlay-scrollbar
[08:03] <mIKEjONES> so why is overlay-scrollbar-gtk3:i386 not installing?
[08:03] <Ben64> because you have overlay-scrollbar....
[08:03] <mIKEjONES> no
[08:03] <mIKEjONES> I don't
[08:04] <Ben64> well then, to be more specific, because you're running 64 bit
[08:04] <mIKEjONES> well I want to have the 32bit version of overlay-scrollbar
[08:04] <anuvrat> iptables doubt ... does this output indicate that everything is allowed right now? https://dpaste.de/jJg8
[08:04] <Ben64> why
[08:04] <mIKEjONES> hence the :i386
[08:04] <Ben64> install 32 bit ubuntu if you want that
[08:04] <mIKEjONES> I don't want to reinstall my entire OS just to get 32bit applications to work
[08:04] <Ben64> theres absolutely no reason to get that package in 32bit on a 64bit system
[08:05] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: yes there is
[08:05] <wonna> can osx 10.8 be emulated reasonably well on a phenom x6
[08:05] <Ben64> you must be misunderstanding what it does
[08:05] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: just to clarify, do you have any 3rd party repos ?
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> wonna:  not really a ubuntu support related question. ;)
[08:05] <mIKEjONES> ikonia: I do not believe so, do you mean in sources.list?
[08:05] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: in any repo config
[08:05] <wonna> Dr_Willis, on ubuntu, oops
[08:05] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: misunderstanding what?
[08:05] <Ben64> overlay-scrollbar is JUST a scroll bar, that thing on the right if the window's contents doesn't fit in the window size ----->
[08:06] <wonna> where would a better place to ask that question be
[08:06] <Ben64> there is absolutely no reason for having it in 32bit on a 64bit system
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> wonna:  the virtualbox or vmware chananel perhaps? i dont know how you are planning on running it. 'on ubuntu'
[08:06] <histo> wonna: probably the vbox or vmware people if youa re going to use their products
[08:06] <fishcooker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6322780/
[08:07] <fishcooker> how to solve this
[08:07] <cfhowlett> wonna, there are rumours of running it on VBox, but I've never actually seen it
[08:07] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: if you go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4276838
[08:07] <wonna> alright, thank y'all
[08:07] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: that is DAILY build
[08:07] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: stop referencing that - you are using the stable build
[08:08] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: you are using the core/base ubuntu repos
[08:08] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: overlay-scrollbar-gtk3
[08:08] <ikonia> oops
[08:08] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/overlay-scrollbar-gtk3
[08:08] <mIKEjONES> http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/i386/overlay-scrollbar-gtk3/filelist
[08:08] <mIKEjONES> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/modules/liboverlay-scrollbar.so
[08:08] <Voi> how is that opaque thing called that shows up quickly on the middle of the screen for example when i change the volume using my multimedia keys?
[08:08] <mIKEjONES> see there it is
[08:08] <Ben64> mIKEjONES: what does that prove
[08:08] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: are you trolling me?
[08:09] <Ben64> no! i'm trying to figure out why you think you need that
[08:09] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: I think you need to look at what problems/conflict it may cause
[08:09] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: 04:06 < mIKEjONES> Ben64: well my 32bit binary application can't find it :/
[08:09] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: eg: do you have the 64bit version already installed ?
[08:09] <Ben64> can you pastebin anything that relates to anything that you're saying?
[08:09] <Ben64> nothing needs overlay-scrollbar
[08:10] <mIKEjONES> Ben64: go install quartus v13.0sp1 from altera.com
[08:10] <mIKEjONES> you will see that eclipse needs it
[08:10] <Ben64> no thanks
[08:10] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: lets focus here, do you already have the 64bit version installed ?
[08:10] <mIKEjONES> ikonia: I believe so
[08:11] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: ok, so that will probably be the conflict then as it will want to put binaries in the same place as the already existing 64bit
[08:11] <mIKEjONES> ok 1 sec let me remove them again
[08:11] <Ben64> ikonia: it will likely conflict with everything else being 64 bit
[08:11] <ikonia> mIKEjONES: keep in mind the same will be true of it's dependencies, (apart from libraries that live in the i386 path)