[01:31] <bulazeem> i've been having a lot of problems getting my archer t1u wireless dongle to work consistently on my pc.  anyone have the time and patience to help me while explaining things in a very basic way (linux novice here)
[01:38] <bulazeem> well if anyone decides to take a look, i've explained my troubles here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328049
[13:00] <Salmoneus> Hello all from China. Since leaving my last job I decided to take the plunge with Linux via Lubuntu 16.04.
[13:00] <Salmoneus> As you might expect it hasn't been entirely smooth sailing, but I think I've got my basic bearings and now I need some advanced help, hence my appearance in this IRC Channel.
[13:00] <Salmoneus> For the past several days since installing Lubuntu, I have been struggling with getting an L2TP connection up and running. I have tried via ShrewSoft and then via KVpnc. ShrewSoft is entirely unfamiliar and I cannot get any good guides, while KVpnc appears caught in Version Hell and calls "ipsec whack" from the now-obsolete build of strongSwan.
[13:00] <Salmoneus> Any of you have experience setting up L2TP in our beloved Lubuntu?
[13:27] <teward> Salmoneus: L2TP or L2TP+IPSec?
[13:27] <teward> (they're different beasts)
[13:28] <Salmoneus> Given that I need it to circumvent the great firewall, L2TP+IPsec is probably the first beast I want to tackle
[13:28] <TikityTik2> Why is lubuntu so slow on my grandma's laptop. It takes 5 min after startup to open anything. The laptop has 512 MB DDR2 ram and 1.7 Ghz.
[13:29] <Salmoneus> but it's possible that my vpn provider has simply setup its L2TP connections without IPsec, I don't know at the moment
[13:30] <teward> Salmoneus: that's something that would need to be known - L2TP+IPSec is a beast I don't think there's an easy way to achieve on Ubuntu
[13:30] <teward> s/Ubuntu/Lubuntu/
[13:30] <teward> Salmoneus: if it's pure L2TP and that's it, that's easier to handle I believe
[13:31]  * teward starts up his Lubuntu VM to make sure
[13:31] <Salmoneus> Hi teward, well, in that case, let's start with what's accessible, in this case just pure L2TP
[13:31] <Salmoneus> :)
[13:33] <teward> foo i deleted my Lubuntu desktop VM
[13:33]  * teward goes to reinstall
[13:34] <teward> give me a bit to recreate the thing so I can help :)
[13:34] <Salmoneus> TikityTik2: I'm new to this myself, but given how many extraneous packages I've installed these past few days, I could see how the advantage of Lubuntu's lightweight-ness could be eaten up with a bunch of common programs, e.g. LibreOffice etc.
[13:35] <teward> TikityTik2: any chance that's a single-core CPU?
[13:35] <TikityTik2> teward: it is
[13:35] <teward> that's problem #1 there
[13:35] <Salmoneus> teward: Thanks, I'll be around
[13:35] <TikityTik2> teward: intel celeron 530
[13:36] <teward> TikityTik2: the single core processor is one reason
[13:36] <TikityTik2> teward: I thought lubuntu was made for bad computers like this?
[13:37] <teward> i'm just making a note about that being one of the performance bottlenecks :P
[13:37] <teward> don't shoot me because i made an observation :p
[14:23] <teward> Salmoneus: i was trying to figure this out myself, but I don't think there's a pure L2TP client anymore... last one looks like it was L2TP+IPSec, and I can't find one builtin anymore
[14:23] <teward> because that one was deprecated and dropped
[14:24] <teward> sorry if I led you on about there being a solutoin, but googling around a little seems to suggest there aren't any viable solutions
[14:26] <Salmoneus> teward: On one hand, I'm satisfied with myself that I was able to figure that much out. On the other, well, that's really disappointing! I thought Linux was supposed to be the super-system to replace Windows/Mac functionality provided one was willing to get down with command line and somewhat coarser UI's!
[14:26] <Salmoneus> teward: not you leading my own, more my own misperception of Linux :)
[14:26] <Salmoneus> *leading me on
[14:28] <Salmoneus> for ubuntu though, it looks like there's a client called l2tp-ipsec-vpn, but for some reason I can't install the general ubuntu software center on lubuntu, else i would look to give that client a spin
[14:29] <Salmoneus> continuing with lubuntu then, do you think it would be possible to tweak KVPnc so it didn't rely on the outdated pluto library of strongSwan?
[14:32] <teward> Salmoneus: that's the one i was talking about - it was dropped along with openswan
[14:32] <teward> I think strongswan supports l2tp+ipsec VPNs, but I've never seen a *pure* L2TP VPN without the IPSec part
[14:32] <teward> not in the wild anyways
[14:34] <Salmoneus> ha, right, well i'm more than amenable to continuing my venture into the jungle of Linux networking. you said above that l2tp+ipsec was something you were not sure ubuntu supported, but looks like that's the only option left
[14:35] <teward> Salmoneus: possibly, though I roll OpenVPN for the most part on my environments, or old-style Cisco IPSec
[14:35] <teward> (because E:OldCiscoEquipment)
[14:36] <Salmoneus> right, maybe it's just my client, but here in China, the great firewall seems to be pretty able to block out OpenVPN and I've been working L2TP recently at my vpn provider's recommendation
[14:37] <Salmoneus> I suppose that I'll try OpenVPN again, since that seems to be the new kid on the block.
[14:37] <Salmoneus> thanks, teward
[16:09] <lobi> "#lubuntu-es Cannot join channel (+l) - channel is full, try again later" i didn't know channels could fill up, what's up with that?
[16:11] <lobi> anyway... hi all. a friend of mine is bringing an old laptop to install lubuntu on, we'll be asking you guys for help if we run into trouble.
[16:14] <krytarik> lobi: Hi.  That channel isn't used, and just has weird settings - if you want Spanish support, try #ubuntu-es.
[16:15] <lobi> ok. thanks, krytarik
[16:42] <lobito> is lubuntu precise more likely to run on an older laptop than say trusty or xenial? i mean, is support for older hardware dropped as new versions are released?
[18:19] <freelancerbob> hi
[18:19] <freelancerbob> my lubuntu is little bit laggy what i should do or check ?
[18:20] <freelancerbob> videos in firefox are laggy
[18:20] <freelancerbob> when i typing sometime it freezes for few miliseconds
[19:37] <lobito> brb
[21:40] <TikityTik> Hi all, just installed Lubuntu-minimal
[21:40] <TikityTik> and i don't have a window manager or whatever. Can I put John's window manager on it?
[21:42] <Unit193> You should have Openbox, but if you didn't install the task and just went for the meta, that'd change things.  I have never heard of that WM, but you should be able to use it just fine.
[21:43] <Unit193> (Do you perhaps mean 'Joe's Window Manager'?)
[21:43] <TikityTik> probably lol
[21:49] <TikityTik> alright so how do i make a gui automatically come up?
[21:50] <TikityTik> all i get is the sda1 is clean line and everything black


[19:58] <tsimonq2> valorie: falkon should no longer segfault, enjoy
[21:19] <valorie> \o/
[21:20] <valorie> so not gonna miss chrome!
[21:21] <tsimonq2> valorie: It's working, right? :D
[21:22] <valorie> yup
[21:24] <acheronuk> has it stopped doing certificate errors on almost every site?
[21:24] <acheronuk> last time I tried, that was really annoying
[21:24] <valorie> acheronuk: it is my full-time browser
[21:24] <valorie> works on *every* site
[21:24] <tsimonq2> Niiiiiice
[21:25] <valorie> I used to have juggle ff/chromium/chrome
[21:25] <valorie> it's years ahead of my try of qupzilla about a year ago, which I quickly gave up
[21:27] <acheronuk> nope. stupid erros still there
[21:27] <acheronuk> *errors
[21:29] <acheronuk> at least on some sites
[21:29] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Have you tried with my PPA
[21:29] <tsimonq2> ?
[21:29] <acheronuk> that is with your ppa. seems not quite so often. still hates github certs through
[21:30] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[21:30] <acheronuk> may be ok if it's just a case of a few manual exceptions, but it was virtually every https site a few weeks ago!
[21:32] <valorie> well, we hit different sites, obviously
[22:17] <acheronuk> download pages updated to remove Zesty
[22:19] <valorie> cool
[22:38] <acheronuk> Interesting https://twitter.com/edouardvince/status/952633981496975360
[22:38] <acheronuk> installing kubuntu for a school somewhere
[22:43] <valorie> that's great!
[22:43] <valorie> depending on the version
[22:44] <valorie> I might go for lubuntu myself after trying that on someone's super-cheep old xp laptop
[22:44] <valorie> kubuntu would baaaaarrely run
[22:44] <valorie> lub might have been zippier
[22:44] <tsimonq2> :3


[17:04] <dholbach> hiya
[17:17] <Pici> dholbach: howdy
[17:18] <dholbach> hey Pici
[17:18] <dholbach> I was just going to ask who of the IRC Council would have time for a catchup with the CC in a bit :)
[17:20] <Pici> dholbach: I'm kind of around, I'll ping the other irccers and see if someone else might be able to join me
[17:20] <dholbach> <3
[18:06] <teward> anyone know who runs ubot93
[18:07] <DJones> I think that is Unit193
[18:08] <teward> Unit193: ubot93 and !info doesn't recognize Precise
[18:08] <teward> which IIRC is not EOL yet


[00:50] <Unit193> So after the apport retracer runs, isn't it supposed to remove private data and make a private bug public?
[00:50] <sarnold> mostly yes
[00:51] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/variety there's a lot of recent bugs here that have been processed by apport, but are private.
[00:54] <sarnold> curious. I can see them even though I thought I didn't have privileges to see "private" bugs, only "private security" bugs.
[00:57] <Unit193> I have a little because of being Xubuntu dev.  A Debian developer maintains that package, and while not using Ubuntu he actually does try to keep on top of things.
[00:58] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I can see those bugs, for what it's worth.
[00:58] <tsimonq2> (I'm a member of the relevant Apport something or other team, something Brian Murray owns :P)
[00:59] <Unit193> tsimonq2: That really doesn't help.  The question was: "Why doesn't apport set these public?"
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Well that's because the stacktraces "could" "possibly" have sensitive information.
[01:00] <tsimonq2> Unit193: As far as I can tell, Apport does that for *, right?
[01:00] <Unit193> It's supposed to review, debug a little, remove private, set public.  At least as far as I know.
[01:01] <tsimonq2> I suspect that bdmurray might know the answer to that question.
[01:01] <tsimonq2> I don't think it did it automagically, did it?
[01:01] <Unit193> I have seen it do so in the past.
[01:02] <tsimonq2> Oh? Got a bug number? I'm curious what it spits at the bug.
[01:04] <Unit193> Not offhand.
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Alright, that's fine, but if you happen to come across one, let me know.
[01:05] <Unit193> tsimonq2: Though if you get bored and go through all of them before I do, that'd work too. :P
[01:06] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Heh. I've been keeping myself busy enough lately :)
[01:41] <bdmurray> Unit193: No apport is not supposed to the set the bug to public. It doesn't have the smarts to tell if there is sensitive data or not so that requires manual review.
[01:41] <tsimonq2> Oh. Makes sense.
[01:42] <sarnold> hrm. I thought I'd seen it open some bugs up.
[01:42] <Unit193> ↑
[07:12] <blahdeblah> Flannel, hggdh, Tm_T, Unit193: Are any of you ops in this channel & #ubuntu?  In the next hour or so I'm going to send an email about a brief service-affecting outage on Sunday at 23:00 UTC, and want to make sure we'll have someone who can op us briefly, or update topics for us.
[07:13] <Flannel> Service outage for what?
[07:14] <blahdeblah> Various web sites, incl. Launchpad git, ubuntu.com, canonical.com, etc.
[07:14] <Flannel> Regardless, yes, we have people who can update topics.  Although I may not personally be around.
[07:15] <blahdeblah> Who's the best person to ask at that time of the week?
[07:15] <Flannel> blahdeblah: Go to #ubuntu-ops and let them know, and then topics will get updated.  That's the place.  Or #ubuntu-irc, but -ops is probably better.
[07:15] <blahdeblah> thanks
[07:45] <niedbalski> rbasak, ping
[07:52] <niedbalski> tjaalton, rbasak could you please check the SRU for LP: #1657256? thank you.
[08:01] <tjaalton> niedbalski: I'm about to EOW to start moving my office and everything after a 5mo evacuation, and this bug seems to be a tough one to go through with little time
[08:05] <niedbalski> tjaalton, gotcha, fyi it's already in unapproved.
[08:06] <tjaalton> noticed, still needs sru review
[09:49] <cpaelzer> xnox: hiho - is there an override for systemd dep8 test on zesty already?
[09:49] <cpaelzer> xnox: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/systemd/zesty/armhf looks rather consistently red
[09:51] <xnox> cpaelzer, i'm not going to give you a straigh answer =)))))))) is there a "regression systemd/armhf" mentioned on a pending_sru page for you?
[09:51] <xnox> cpaelzer, have you looked at the britney override hints for zesty?
[09:51] <xnox> cpaelzer, do you know where to look both of those things up
[09:51] <xnox> ?
[09:52] <xnox> test-copy is known to fail, because test-copy binary is compiled too small and it is used as part of test suite. I am hoping to cherrypick test fix for that, and get systemd to become green.
[09:52] <xnox> and there is a hint committed into zesty series of britney hints in the bzr branch by ~ubuntu-sru
[10:01] <doko> mitya57: could you merge qtbase-opensource-src ?
[10:20] <cpaelzer> xnox: I saw it in an pending-sru
[10:20] <cpaelzer> xnox: and honestly I don't know if the overrides would make it not show up there or not
[10:20] <cpaelzer> xnox: and I have to admit I didn't check the overrides yet, but I can
[10:23] <cpaelzer> thanks for the answer
[10:25] <cpaelzer> I didn't know there is a ubunut-sru branch of the hints
[10:25] <cpaelzer> xnox: I beg your pardon but can you send me a pointer for that that is better than https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu ?
[10:25] <cpaelzer> found it I think
[10:25] <cpaelzer> all in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru
[10:27] <cpaelzer> ok found all of them, learned about the per-release nature of the overrides now
[10:27]  * cpaelzer ticks the "learned something today" checkbox :-)
[10:46] <rbasak> Does udev definitely continue a RUN+= sequence if a script returns non-zero? I can't find the behaviour defined anywhere.
[10:49] <rbasak> I mistake; I don't think it matters here. Though I'm still curious to know the answer.
[10:58] <xnox> cpaelzer, however, it really should be hinted over =/
[10:58] <xnox> cpaelzer, let me double check the report
[11:00] <xnox> cpaelzer, ah! it is hinted, but needs more hinting due to security update.
[11:04] <xnox> cpaelzer, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/britney/hints-ubuntu-zesty/+merge/332899 should make you happy, once merged.
[11:10] <cpaelzer> xnox: thanks
[11:10] <xnox> juliank, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25829628/ -> glob, regex, but why no relative full filename?
[11:11] <xnox> juliank, had to do this # sudo apt install `find . -name '*.deb'`
[11:11] <juliank> xnox: Needs to start with ./
[11:11] <juliank> xnox: The reason is to make it easy to differentiate from real package names.
[11:11] <xnox> juliank, not user friendly as there is no bash shell expansion for ./*.deb
[11:11] <juliank> So, apt install ./*.deb would have worked
[11:12] <xnox> juliank, but if there are no real package name.... it already tried glob and regex which are not real package names either.
[11:12] <juliank> xnox: That expands normally
[11:12] <xnox> trying by filename is sane.
[11:13] <xnox> juliank, hm, ./*.deb does work, but this is the first time in my life that do such an expansion =)
[11:13] <Faux> Never had a file named -? :)
[11:14] <juliank> xnox: The autocompletion also only expands ./, I'd love to teach it to automatically turn filenames without it into that format. I don't like it either, but we really need to figure out things in general with command-line.
[11:14] <xnox> Faux, i opened nautilus to remove that one!
[11:14] <juliank> We just fixed Debian porterboxes dd-schroot-cmd to not accept package names starting with ./ or / in order to prevent people from installing locally built packages and gain root privileges.
[11:15] <xnox> juliank, hahahahahaha
[11:15] <xnox> cute
[11:16] <juliank> The regex and glob thing should go away eventually, it's really unpredictable.
[11:17] <juliank> Like, apt install foo1.2 -> installs foo1.2 if foo1.2 exists, otherwise installs anything matching regex foo1.2
[11:17] <juliank> So I think long term we probably have package names, files, ? patterns, and ~ patterns
[11:18] <juliank> And I guess ?file(path) or something
[11:19] <juliank> aptitude's handling is OK, my goal is to get closer to that.
[11:19] <juliank> xnox: I guess we should at least make apt check if the specified argument is an existing file, and then say: Please prepend ./
[11:20] <xnox> juliank, yes
[11:20] <xnox> it should check that the specified argument is an existing file, and say this is ambigious
[11:23] <juliank> xnox: I guess one case where just respect any file name would break down is if you have a directory pkg with an extracted pkg, and do apt-get build-dep pkg and it's completely unclear if you mean the real package or the directory :)
[11:25] <xnox> juliank, check that a file foo_18241-1_arch.deb exists, not a foo_18241-1_arch.deb folder =)
[11:25] <juliank> build-dep can actually take both files and directories as arguments
[11:25] <xnox> juliank, oh that works, hm i always did $ apt build-dep ./
[11:26] <xnox> juliank, and imho it should actually just be $ apt build-dep
[11:26] <xnox> juliank, and it should require to be in the top of the unpacked package
[11:26] <xnox> juliank, just like the rest of ./debian/rules
[11:26] <juliank> I'd like apt install ?build-depends(package) ?build-depends-file(...) ?build-depends-dir(...) or something
[11:27] <xnox> juliank, nobody apart from you will remember that
[11:27] <xnox> define an order and print a warning, if a particular order is used, but is ambigious.
[11:28] <xnox> file/dir overriding pkg with a warning when specified without ./ is sane
[11:28] <juliank> xnox: That's probably true. But apt-get build-dep could translate to that. And it gives you the ability to tweak build-dep installation, so you could manually specify an alternative
[11:28] <xnox> what is build-depends-file? is that .dsc or debian/control?
[11:29] <juliank> Well, that's really the same from our perspective IIRC
[11:29] <xnox> my undertanding was that specifying dir, is actually translating dir -> dir/debian/control
[11:29] <juliank> yeah
[11:29] <juliank> I think so
[11:29] <xnox> hence there is no build-depends-dir
[11:29] <xnox> (underlying, it's syntatic sugar)
[11:30] <juliank> right
[11:30] <xnox> and when i do $ apt build-dep foo_1-1.dsc -> i do mean the file here locally, not the package name
[11:31] <juliank> Anyhow, my plan is to sit down in January and define a proper pattern/package specification language and then implement that, starting with apt(8) and warning about incompatible uses in apt-get(8) for some time before switching that over
[11:31] <xnox> imho you should ignore regex/glob/pkg-name if the argument ends with .dsc .deb /control
[11:31] <xnox> and use file:/// syntax if something ends in .dsc .deb /control
[11:32] <xnox> and declare that package names ending in '.dsc .deb /control' are broken.
[11:32] <juliank> Let's just support all URIs :D
[11:32] <juliank> apt install https://host/path/to/deb
[11:32] <xnox> juliank, why not recursive glog too? $ apt install https://host/path/to/archive/*
[11:32]  * xnox giggles =)
[11:33] <juliank> xnox: /control might in fact be a valid release specifier like apt/xenial
[11:33] <xnox> juliank, apt-url is built-in to fetch all the things, right right
[11:33] <xnox> juliank, sigh
[11:34] <juliank> xnox: It's at least not an adjective, so it won't be the next release codename :)
[11:34] <xnox> juliank, warning + use local if ends in "/control .dsc .deb" is sane and say something like "use apt --no-file debian/control, if you mean to install a package called debian from a component called control"
[11:34] <xnox> component? the term is suite, no?
[11:35]  * xnox always confuses those things
[11:35] <juliank> It's not component.
[11:35] <juliank> APT calls it archive or codename, depending on what it is, but others might use suite or release or something
[11:36] <juliank> In fact, APT has APT::Default-Release, so it also calls it release.
[11:36] <xnox> ok so i'm not crazy for not knowing the term for the thing
[11:36] <juliank> apt-get(8) calls it distribution
[11:37] <juliank> xnox: The other thing also has different names, component, section, probably more.
[11:38] <juliank> section (main) could easily be confused with section (admin), though
[11:50] <juliank> oh, apt and python-apt are basically in an autopkgtest cycle.
[11:51] <juliank> python-apt tests against apt 1.5 which fails, and apt 1.5 tests against old python-apt which fails too :)
[11:52] <juliank> But I see some retries with newer versions, so at least its working there
[11:53] <juliank> apt has test depends on python3-apt for one specific test case...
[16:16] <jbicha> infinity: are you ok with me adding my patch from https://bugs.debian.org/879157 to bionic?
[16:21] <infinity> jbicha: Unsure.  I'm generally not a fan of terminal apps showing in GUI menus, but vim and emacs are sort of special snowflakes, being the preferred editors of most Linux users, despite being terminal apps.
[16:23] <infinity> jbicha: And it works so seamlessly at least in GNOME (opens in my default terminal, with my preferred terminal size, etc) that it may as well be a GUI app.
[16:23] <infinity> Heck, it feels more integrated than gvim. :P
[16:23] <rbasak> gvim isn't bad as a GUI app.
[16:23] <rbasak> At least unsuspecting users will be able to leave :)
[16:23] <infinity> You can leave just by closing the terminal.
[16:24] <rbasak> Doesn't that give you a scary warning?
[16:24] <infinity> Nope.  Try it.
[16:24] <infinity> Windows key -> vim -> enter -> close.
[16:24] <rbasak> Interesting. I wonder how it manages that.
[16:25] <rbasak> Oh
[16:25] <rbasak> It just closes even if I make changes.
[16:25] <infinity> Well, yes.
[16:25] <rbasak> I stand by my claim then. gvim is better integrated :)
[16:26] <infinity> I dunno.  I could go either way.
[16:26] <jbicha> I believe GNOME is the most used desktop on Debian and it's hidden there…
[16:27] <infinity> Yeah.
[16:27] <rbasak> GNOME would :)
[16:27] <jbicha> I did try to upstream it but I haven't had luck so far
[16:27] <infinity> jbicha: I'll probably take this patch in.  I'd prefer to upload myself, so I don't lose track of TIL for merges.
[16:27] <jbicha> ok, thanks!
[16:29] <jbicha> my strategy to get it upstream now is to try to get distros to take my patch before asking upstream again
[16:30] <infinity> jbicha: Yes, their justification for closing it was "both show up on Ubuntu and that's fine", which is a bit lolz, given you're from Ubuntu. :)
[16:31] <infinity> jbicha: Oh, wait.  I was under the impression that this was a "new" feature.  We've been shipping this for years?
[16:31] <infinity> Hrm.
[16:31] <infinity> Now I'm less okay with removing it.
[16:31] <infinity> Cause uers might actually be used to it being there in their workflow.
[16:32] <jbicha> oh Fedora actually doesn't ship vim.desktop at all
[16:33] <infinity> That could be a packaging bug rather than intentional.
[16:33] <jbicha> the GNOME Activities Overview makes .desktops a lot more prominent than in Unity so it's more annoying now
[16:33] <infinity> (ie: when it was added upstream, they may have just not noticed)
[16:33] <jbicha> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/vim/blob/master/f/vim.spec#_1205
[16:34] <infinity> Intentional indeed.
[16:35] <infinity> That is one ugly specfile.
[17:02] <infinity> jbicha: While I'm waffling on this vim.desktop thing, do you... Oh look, you already fixed mozjs38, NEVERMIND.
[17:02] <infinity> Well, "fixed".
[17:02] <infinity> By skipping tests.
[17:02] <infinity> Ick.
[17:02] <jbicha> best fix
[17:03] <jbicha> it's Cinnamon's fault that we still have mozjs38 in Ubuntu
[17:03] <slangasek> bdmurray, jbicha, cyphermox, micahg, rbasak, sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1716770 is in the DMB's hands now regarding population of the ppu packageset, correct?
[17:04] <jbicha> infinity: I did try applying https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commit/526416 but it's got RTL stuff going on and it didn't seem to work
[17:05] <infinity> jbicha: Neat.
[17:05] <infinity> jbicha: Though, that also seems to imply that it's just the test that sucks, and not the code being tested, so a bit more blase about the test being skipped.
[17:07] <jbicha> infinity: you might like LP: #1728038 once edbrowse and libproxy publish and so on
[17:07] <cyphermox> slangasek: looks that way, yes
[17:09] <sil2100> slangasek: I guess yes, thanks! We'll try to finally resolve the budgie packageset in our nearest meetings
[17:09] <slangasek> sil2100: ok; but this is fossfreedom's ppu, so that is not blocked on that meeting, correct?  you have a list of packages ready to be added to that acl?
[17:10] <slangasek> I would offer to jfdi this part, but last I knew I could create a packageset owned by the dmb but not add things to that packageset ;)
[17:11] <sil2100> slangasek: let me do that now ;)
[17:11] <slangasek> cool, thanks
[17:23] <sil2100> fossfreedom: you have now been granted your rights for bionic, use this power wisely!
[17:24] <jbicha> it looks like some s390x builders don't have bionic-proposed enabled? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-maps/3.26.1-1/+build/13629162
[17:24] <cjwatson> that's not done on a per-builder basis
[17:25] <cjwatson> that build was attempted in the release pocket, because it was on an arch that previously failed in artful, so was retried in bionic after being copied forward
[17:26] <cjwatson> it'll be automatically retried once the new gjs makes it to bionic from -proposed
[17:26] <jbicha> that's unexpected but ok
[17:30] <cjwatson> it sort of makes sense, and since that kind of thing almost always only clears when dep-waits become available, it usually works out
[17:32] <infinity> cjwatson: Speaking of add-missing-builds, is there still a backlog work item and/or bug somewhere to have that functionality rolled into series init?
[17:32] <infinity> cjwatson: It's one of the few remaining reasons for ftpmaster shell.
[18:28] <cjwatson> infinity: I don't think so ...
[18:38] <infinity> Oh, lovely, icu59 forces c++11/gnu++11.  Derp.
[18:40] <infinity> Do I turn icu into ifdef hell and submit upstream, or make the 2 C++ projects that fail use C++11?  Decisions, decisions.
[18:44] <sarnold> are those two C++ projects C++14 or C++bad?
[18:44] <infinity> sarnold: The latter.
[18:44] <infinity> And oh my, just switching from gnu++98 to gnu++11 makes this thing explode SPECTACULARLY.
[18:45] <infinity> So maybe doing the correct icu ifdef fix is smarter.
[18:45] <infinity> (icu seems to have not noticed that they made their headers dependent on a C++ type that only appeared in C++11)
[18:45] <sarnold> infinity: do we -need- those packages? :)
[18:46] <infinity> sarnold: I mean, that's potentially up for debate, but it's still poor form to make a pretty core system library suddenly demand its rdeps use a certain language standard.
[18:46] <infinity> Oh, I might be able to work around this with a -D
[18:47] <sarnold> infinity: and yet I can entirely understand why someone would want to use C++11
[18:49] <infinity> sarnold: Sure, but 6 years isn't actually a long time to expect the long tail to catch up.
[18:49] <infinity> (sadly)
[18:49] <sarnold> infinity: right
[18:50] <infinity> sarnold: Using 11, or even 14 in your shiny leaf node application is awesome and encouraged, in a low level system library used by hundreds of consumers, a bit of guarding isn't too much to ask.
[18:50] <infinity> Or maybe I live in a fantasy world.
[18:50] <sarnold> infinity: just how much work is the ifdef hell? that might (a) already be done by someone else in their issue tracker (b) if not, would probably be something someone else would love to find stuffed in the icu issue tracker
[18:51] <infinity> (Or, rather, using it in your low level library is also great, but exposing that through your ABI/API isn't)
[18:51] <infinity> sarnold: Dunno, I'm trying to sort out if it might actually end up part of the ABI.  It might.  In which case, one can't fix this in headers, one would have to make a build-time choice, which sucks a bit.
[18:57] <infinity> Well, my hack worked, so my carefactor just lowered a bit.
[18:57] <sarnold> yay!
[19:10] <geofft> anyone want to sponsor my SRU? it's a small fix, it's in universe, and it comes with autopkgtests :) LP #1725110
[19:10] <geofft> or is there a better place for me to ask for sponsorship? (#ubuntu-motu maybe?)
[19:13] <nacc> geofft: looking
[19:15] <nacc> geofft: so, iiuc, bionnic will auto get the fix when 5.4 syncs?
[19:15] <geofft> yes
[19:15] <geofft> I fixed it in Debian as soon as I got the bug report, that was just after artful's Debian import freeze
[19:16] <nacc> geofft: ok, so I do't think i'd sponsor the 17.10 change, i'd just sync it (ow that the archive is open)
[19:17] <geofft> so if an SRU that takes the form of syncing from Debian is a thing that can be done, that works. (or if the answer is "wait a bit for bionic then come back" that works for me)
[19:17] <nacc> geofft: sorry, i meant that bionic needs the fix first
[19:17] <nacc> geofft: and the right way for bionic to get the fix is to sync from debian
[19:18] <geofft> do I need to do anything for that to happen? it's not patched currently so it should get auto-synced, right?
[19:18] <nacc> geofft: yeah, i'm assuming the sync job is prety loaded right now, it might just not have hit it yet
[19:19] <geofft> cool, I'll check back in a couple of days, thanks!
[19:20] <geofft> nacc: at that point is the right thing to request sponsorship of the 5.4~ubuntu17.10.1 debdiff already on the bug, or do something else for the SRU?
[19:22] <jbicha> nacc: autosync hasn't been turned on yet, but you're welcome to manually sync packages
[19:25] <nacc> jbicha: ack, i know :)
[19:26] <nacc> geofft: i don't think a full version update is immediately appropriate for an SRU
[19:26] <nacc> geofft: i'm readingn the bug still, though
[19:29] <nacc> geofft: meanwhile, I can sync it for bionic, at least
[19:29] <geofft> thanks!
[19:30] <nacc> geofft: would it be possible to list functional changes between 5.2 and 5.4 and why it is safe for SRU? it might be in there, but i'm having a bit of trouble parsing it out
[19:31] <geofft> the only functional change is the bugfix. the other changes are autopkgtests, fixing examples/ so that autopkgtest works, adding .travis.yml and README.md (irrelevant for the package), and updating standards-version
[19:32] <geofft> because I was not previously testing the examples, they were badly out of date :-(
[19:32] <nacc> geofft: ah ok
[19:32] <geofft> so it looks noisy
[19:32] <nacc> geofft: right, i think that was the concern :)
[19:32] <nacc> geofft: i also think we'll need to fiddle the versioning for 17.10
[19:33] <nacc> geofft: oh nm, you used ~
[19:33] <nacc> geofft: i do thnnk it might be missing an `update-maintainer`?
[19:36] <geofft> woops, yes. sorry, I haven't done Ubuntu dev in forever :(
[19:36] <nacc> geofft: np, i can run it locally, just easier to tick stuff off while i have you on irc :)
[19:48] <nacc> geofft: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/config-package-dev/5.4
[19:52] <geofft> nacc: nice, thanks!
[19:54] <geofft> nacc: I ran update-maintainer and uploaded a new debdiff
[19:54] <nacc> geofft: thank you
[19:59] <infinity> geofft: FWIW, you could have asked someone to sync this into artful before release.  The Debian import freeze is a freeze on automatic imports, but manual syncs for bugfixes are much appreciated.
[19:59] <infinity> (but indeed too late now, and yay SRU)
[20:00] <geofft> infinity: yeah, I just completely failed to notice :(
[20:01] <infinity> geofft: Life will probably somehow go on. :)
[20:02] <karstensrage> hey infinity hope things are well, any chance we can revisit my packages?
[20:02] <infinity> karstensrage: Oh crap.  Speaking of forgetting things.
[20:02] <infinity> karstensrage: Yes, we absolutely ca.
[20:02] <infinity> n
[20:02] <karstensrage> i know you were busy with personal things
[20:02] <karstensrage> so i havent wanted to bother you
[20:02] <infinity> That was kind.
[20:04] <karstensrage> so if you recall there was update to a package that already exists, so like a new version of upstream
[20:05] <karstensrage> and there is going to be a new package that depends on it
[20:06] <infinity> I have a feeling this webkit build might test the limits of my "build everything in RAM" strategy...
[20:06] <infinity> karstensrage: Yep, an NSS module and a PAM module, IIRC.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> infinity: How many builds does the arm builder build before the arm builder needs rebuilding?
[20:19] <tsimonq2> *ahem*
[20:19] <tsimonq2> I mean
[20:19] <tsimonq2> What's up with arm builders? :)
[20:20] <infinity> tsimonq2: Other than "they're a little over capacity right now"?
[20:22] <tsimonq2> infinity: Why are they over capacity while the others are fine?
[20:23] <infinity> tsimonq2: Because we don't have precisely identical capacity on all arches.
[20:23] <infinity> (I feel like that's an obvious answer...)
[20:23] <tsimonq2> infinity: My point is, ppc64el is fine and it only has 30 builders...
[20:23]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[20:23] <tsimonq2> Maybe I'm missing something obvious.
[20:23] <infinity> tsimonq2: 30 much faster builders.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> Ah, gotcha.
[20:24] <infinity> tsimonq2: Also, ppc64el only builds one arch, arm64 builds two.
[20:24] <infinity> (arm64 and armhf)
[20:24] <Unit193> ppc64el builders always seem to finish first, armhf tends to be last.  From what I've noticed.
[20:24] <infinity> It's a game of leapfrog.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> infinity: Interesting.
[20:24] <infinity> For a couple of years, armhf was always the first done.
[20:25] <infinity> Then we built up capacity elsewhere.
[20:25] <infinity> Lather, rinse, repeat.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> So then I wonder why we don't have more arm builders.
[20:25]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[20:25] <infinity> See above, re: game of leapfrog.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> I'm just asking because it's being a bottleneck.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> Oh.
[20:25] <infinity> In an ideal world, I'd put in a PO for a few hundred of every machine and never run out of capacity, but it's not an ideal world, and I'd prefer not to get fired for being a twit.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Heh.
[20:36] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: One major reason is that server-class arm64 hardware has been a bit of a movable feast.  The generation we're using at the moment is really the first we have that's actually been server-class (not devboards, virtualisation-capable, etc.), but unfortunately it's no longer being manufactured and we haven't worked out what the next one along is going to be.
[20:39] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: So at this point it isn't so much just a matter of "buy more of the same and plug it in" (when we heard it was going EOL, we bought up pretty much all we could ...), as "decide on a new platform, qualify OpenStack on it, etc.".
[20:39] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: It's likely to be more interesting still because the hardware we have supports ARMv7 insns natively, which is nice for armhf build performance, but isn't actually required by the ARMv8 architecture.
[20:40] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: So we'll have to be quite careful with the next generation of hardware to make sure armhf still builds reasonably.
[20:40] <infinity> cjwatson: To the last point, most manufacturers are still opting into that, if we just avoid the ones that don't.
[20:40] <cjwatson> (whatever that generation may be ...)
[20:40] <infinity> My bet's on QC being a good possibility for next gen.
[20:40] <cjwatson> infinity: Right, it's just another way to limit the field
[20:50] <juliank> jbicha: We need to stop requesting new python-apt autopkgtest runs, there are 3 or 4 in the queue now. so wasteful...
[20:50] <juliank> python-apt {"triggers": ["python-apt/1.4.0~beta3ubuntu1", "apt/1.5.1"]}
[20:50] <juliank> python-apt {"requester": "jbicha", "triggers": ["apt/1.5.1", "python-apt/1.4.0~beta3ubuntu1"]}
[20:51] <juliank> python-apt {"requester": "costamagnagianfranco", "triggers": ["apt/1.5.1", "sphinx/1.6.5-1"]}
[20:51] <juliank> and
[20:51] <juliank> python-apt {"requester": "juliank", "triggers": ["apt/1.5.1", "python-apt/1.4.0~beta3ubuntu1"]}
[20:51] <juliank> oh man
[20:51] <juliank> jbicha: Sorry, forgot :D
[20:51] <juliank> * a :D
[20:51] <jbicha> at least we only did one each, right?
[20:52] <juliank> yeah
[20:52] <jbicha> at least it's not one of the longer autopktests to run http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/python-apt/bionic/amd64
[20:54] <juliank> yeah
[20:54] <juliank> I wonder what's happening with snapcraft on armhf
[20:56] <juliank> with different errors even
[20:57] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Huh, interesting. Good to know.
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> juliank, sorry, I triggered them on batch, because of armhf failures due to ENOSP
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> they weren't "intentional"
[21:08] <infinity> juliank: The one with no requestor was me.  The rest are all from terrible people. :)
[21:09] <juliank> infinity: yeah
[23:35]  * jbicha grumbles at qtdeclarative-opensource-src


[00:09] <jschall> on my mom's machine, flashplugin has stopped working twice and I've had her run "sudo apt-get --reinstall install flashplugin-installer" which has fixed the problem both times. Anyone know why it happens and how to stop it from happening? She uses chromium on kubuntu 11.04 on a system76 gazelle professional.
[00:12] <Walex> I am keeping on Kubuntu LTS 10.04, but I'd like to try to update the KDE SC on it to something newer like 4.6 and wondering if there are Kubuntu KDE SC backports
[00:24] <amichair> what's the meaning of this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guarddog/2.6.0-3ubuntu1
[00:25] <amichair> guarddog has been removed from Natty repos, but a new version is out? (relative to the last one available in the repos before upgrade)? Or something else going on here?
[00:26] <yofel> amichair: if you click on 'Full publishing history' at the right, you see that it has been deleted
[00:27] <yofel> what you see is the changelog of the package while it existed
[00:27] <amichair> yofel: so the last version (2.6.0-3ubuntu1) was published on Natty, except it wasn't because it's deleted?
[00:28] <yofel> amichair: it was published in natty and later removed from the archive
[00:28] <yofel> what you see is the package data left on Launchpad
[00:28] <amichair> yofel: iirc, it was removed right when Natty was released...
[00:29] <yofel> well, a bit before looking at the deletion date
[00:30] <amichair> yofel: ok, so it was both updated and deleted before Natty came out. Strange, but ok :-)
[00:30] <amichair> so if I'm still using it (couldn't find a decent alternative), with the last version that was indeed published (2.6.0-2.1ubuntu3), I should be updating manually to this version somehow?
[00:30] <yofel> amichair: really? It was updated in january and deleted in march
[00:31] <yofel> as part of the kde3 removal round
[00:31] <yofel> see bug 727386
[00:32] <amichair> yofel: I'm confused, you're saying it wasn't both updated and deleted before Natty was launched?
[00:32] <yofel> amichair: it was updated in natty in january, later in march it was deleted as part of the kde3 application removals
[00:33] <yofel> the 2 actions weren't done by one and the same person
[00:33] <amichair> yofel: yes, and this all happened before natty was released...
[00:33] <yofel> yes? happens often
[00:33] <yofel> amichair: feel free to pull the .deb packages that are on launchpad if you want to use them, we don't support them anymore
[00:34] <amichair> yofel: so if I still have it from the maverick->natty update, should I update manually somehow to the -3ubuntu version? or does this mean it shouldn't be considered and updated or is broken or something like that?
[00:34] <amichair> yofel: while I'm at it, is there a good alternative available yet?
[00:35] <yofel> I don't know if it was broken, and I have no idea what guarddog even is, maybe someone else knows an alternative
[00:35] <amichair> a great firewall  GUI, it was :-)
[00:36] <amichair> does kde have one yet?
[00:36] <amichair> !firewall
[00:36] <amichair> heh
[00:36] <amichair> or not :-)
[00:37] <yofel> I think I saw a kde ui for UFW somewhere on kde-apps.org, but haven't looked lately
[00:37] <yofel> here it is http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137789
[00:38] <amichair> yofel: is that supported by kubuntu, or planned to be?
[00:40] <amichair> fwiw, I think the guarddog model of defining zones and rules between them was a really good way of doing things. Much more organized and friendly than a bunch of messy explicit rules.
[00:40] <yofel> we did discuss this for oneiric (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging) but I don't remember why it didn't end up on the todo list
[00:42] <amichair> yofel: well, I'll give the updated guarddog a shot for now. Hope to see a decent fw in kubuntu sooner rather than later.
[00:42] <amichair> yofel: in any case, thanks for your help :-)
[00:42] <yofel> you're welcome :)
[00:45] <apachelogger> yofel: I am reasonable certain because firewalls suck and there is no reason to have something on the CD that does not make sense in a CD setup
[00:45] <apachelogger> now since we have a no-open port by default policy a firewall ui would make no sense
[00:45] <yofel> well, nvm CD, it's not in the archive at all
[00:45] <apachelogger> cause no one packaged it
[00:46] <apachelogger> and since we'd not put it on the CD there is no incentive for taking up a work item as it has no direct value for the product :P
[00:47] <amichair> might as well remove ufw and iptables as well, then :-)
[00:48] <apachelogger> that is not within our seed
[00:48]  * apachelogger quite frankly has no idea why ufw is seeded by default
[00:48] <amichair> I'm sure if anyone can manage it, you can :-)
[00:48] <yofel> amichair: feel free to file a needs-packaging bug for kde-config-ufw, don't think there is one yet
[00:48] <apachelogger> or package it :P
[00:49]  * amichair has no idea what's the point of ufw in the first place...
[00:49] <apachelogger> it is meant to not be complicated
[00:50] <apachelogger> and if the ufw kcm is any indication I'd say it does a pretty bad job at not being complicated
[00:50] <amichair> just as inconvenient as iptables, with less flexibility and no cross-distro acquaintance
[00:51] <amichair> it's a real shame guarddog is no longer maintained. It actually works ok on Natty, so a port might not be all that complicated... who knows.
[00:52] <amichair> oh well. 4am is no time to be dealing with security.
[00:52] <amichair> g'nite guys!
[00:52] <apachelogger> nini
[00:52] <apachelogger> yofel: you should go to bed
[00:52] <apachelogger> oh, I should too
[00:52] <apachelogger> ...
[00:52] <yofel> heh
[00:52] <yofel> amichair: gn
[01:23] <bl4ckc00k1e> hello
[01:23] <bl4ckc00k1e> hola
[01:23] <bl4ckc00k1e> spanish or inglish?
[01:24] <bl4ckc00k1e> i have a problem, i dont know why i start with gnome
[01:24] <bl4ckc00k1e> i installed some program or someting
[01:24] <bl4ckc00k1e> and i dont now how to change to KDE
[01:24] <bl4ckc00k1e> all my programs are KDE but when i start i start with gnome
[01:25] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I'm looking for a Kubuntu alternative to the Gothic style of font.
[01:25] <bl4ckc00k1e> where can i change that?
[01:25] <bl4ckc00k1e> i try to start firefox but i have a kde screen that tell me if i wanna install, and nothing happend, so i cant search in google
[01:33] <Daskreech> bl4ckc00kle: Hello
[01:34] <Kaesi> hello
[01:34] <Daskreech> Hi
[01:35] <Kaesi> now i installed my kubuntu ;)
[01:36] <Kaesi> ein telekomiker *grinz*
[01:45] <Daskreech> :)
[02:33] <semitones> i'm having a little trouble figuring out how to install this: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/konsolator/ -- can anyone take a look?
[02:36] <Daskreech> from source?
[02:37] <semitones> yes
[02:37] <semitones> i guess
[02:37] <semitones> i can't find any packages
[02:37] <semitones> and i can't seem to download these files
[02:39] <Daskreech> how are you getting them?
[02:48] <yoga> How do I upgrade to the 11.10 from 11.04 in Kubuntu? I cannot find it in KPackageKit.
[02:52] <semitones> Daskreech: i can't seem to get them at all. I just get linked to a revision log
[02:53] <semitones> i just thought it would be handy to have konsole on the desktop, but it is proving very complicated
[02:55] <Daskreech> !upgrade | yoga
[02:57] <Wolf_22> Running Kubuntu on 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and just finished installing the ndiswrapper for my Belkin F7D1101 without internet--a pretty hairy job, I might add. Anyway, it seems to see scanned APs, but can't connect to my home's AP. Anyone have any ideas? Shouldn't I be able to ping my <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:58] <Daskreech> semitones: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Package
[02:58] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: does it get an IP?
[02:59] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: wlan0 has an IP6 assigned to it from what I can tell (the hex characters.
[03:01] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: Your AP is giving out IPv6 ?
[03:02] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: All I see is hex characters for the wlan0 where is says "inet6 addr:"... I'm beginning to wonder if the computer isn't tuning into the right channel. Would I need to configure this or does that get handled automatically?
[03:03] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: no Idea. Never fiddled with a belkin driver
[03:04] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: I wouldn't think I'd have to because I told the Wifi connector to "scan" for APs and it saw my home's AP--which makes me wonder now about my Wifi router / modem.
[03:09] <bandit5432> any one having issues with touchpads and oneiric?
[03:31] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: you have the driver loaded I presume?
[03:32] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Yep. After doing some digging using "dmesg | grep wlan0", I see that the last entry saying how "no IPv6 routers present". This makes me think that it's trying to use an IP6 router, but how on earth it's thinking it needs to is beyond me...
[03:34] <Daskreech>  what happens when you run dhclient against the network card?
[03:41] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Looks like it runs wlan0 on the broadcast on port 67 at different intervals...
[03:41] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Then it sleeps...
[03:41] <Daskreech> hrrm
[03:43] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: In my eyes, I think the drivers are there and I think the adapter is working, but I think there's something stupid going on with a setting or something...
[03:45] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: I'll believe that. I've never used Wifi so I don't know
[03:45] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: The settings for my adapter / connection are as follows: Ad-hoc, assigned a BSSID (the router), not restricted to any interface, and the MTU is "Automatic."
[03:45] <Daskreech> Is it a hidden AP?
[03:46] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: And my security is set to use WPA / WPA2. And no, it's not hidden (and the AP uses the same security setting). I also manually tried to set the channel and frequency of the adapter, but it didn't seem to do anything.
[03:48] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: I also tried to manually set the IP details by giving my computer a manually-set IP address within the same net, I used the appropriate subnet and assigned it the gateway... All to no avail. It's really strange. It can see the AP using the generic "scan", but when I try to connect the guy to it, it just doesn't get anything--I can't even ping the AP.
[03:48] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: Was there any notes on your driver for difficulties ?
[03:50] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Not that I can remember, but I'll go back and see. Keep in mind that this is a ground-up operation because the box I'm doing all this on didn't even connect to anything--I'm using a Belkin adapter as my main method of connecting to my AP...  LOL.
[04:01] <Daskreech> >_<
[04:01] <Daskreech> ok well you have net on another device at least
[04:02] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Yeah, I'm not too worried about access at this point because I have 2 laptops that can use the Wifi with no problems (they're using XP and Windows 7). It's just this manual stuff on top of older hardware that's killing me...)
[04:03] <Daskreech> Hopefully it's not a phone :)
[04:03] <Daskreech> So what happened when you installed
[04:04] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Get this... I just deactivated ALL security on the router and now it's working flawlessly.
[04:04] <Daskreech> Woohoo!
[04:04] <Daskreech> So It's a WPA issue with the driver
[04:05] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: That's what it's looking like... But now it's off again.
[04:05] <Wolf_22> lol
[04:05] <Daskreech> off as in connected but no packets  or not connected at all?
[04:06] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: When I told it to connect to the AP, it connected and I even saw it on my router's network readout, but then suddenly it fell off. I can't explain it. I'm thinking this might be a driver issue now...
[04:07] <Daskreech> Pretty much
[04:07] <Daskreech> Or Gremlins
[04:07] <Daskreech> try starting the kernel with --gremlins2wasbetter
[04:08] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Haha.
[04:08] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: I would, but then I probably wouldn't even be able to reboot the damn thing.
[04:09] <Daskreech> Good point :)
[04:09] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Well, it seems to be a bit more stable now as it doesn't seem to be dropping the connection.  Yeah, well one thing I intend on doing is posting about this over on the forums because it just dropped again... Hopefully someone out there in the ether will have some insight into this. Surely it's not the adapter, but right now I'm not willing to mark off anything. Heck, it could be the ozone for all I know...
[04:11] <Daskreech> Wolf_22: Yeah that's a good spot. Where did you get the driver?
[04:13] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Came with the adapter. Had to use that "ndiswrapper" combined with the "ndisgtk" for the gui (to know what the heck I was doing because the gui is the thing that let me load the actual drivers normally used on XP or whatever).
[04:13] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: And trust me, installing those 2 things was a PAIN.
[04:14] <Daskreech> On the disk?
[04:16] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: The OEM drivers were on the disk that came with the Belkin. Had to sneaker-net the DEB files necessary for the ndiswrapper stuff... Once I got the front-end working, I used it to load up the WinXP net8192su.inf file (the drivers).
[04:17] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: I went through installing about 10 dependencies before I could finally use the ndisgtk and all this was after finally coming to a compatible version of Linux for the old hardware this computer of mine is using.
[04:18] <Daskreech> which card is it?
[04:18] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: It's a USB F7D1101.
[04:19] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: The thing has a nasty rep in the Linux community...
[04:19] <Daskreech> Great :)
[04:20] <Daskreech> May the Wrath of a thousand penguins assault them
[04:20] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Yeah, no kidding. It's like, "I'm divorced with no legs and 1 arm that's missing 4 fingers. I'm blind, have lung cancer, and my middle name is "Lucky.""
[04:21] <Daskreech> ha ha
[04:21] <Daskreech> So you are left with just your middle finger and driving through the bad part of town?
[04:22] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Hell, I could be resting my compass on the rock of Gibralter and not find my way out of this cluster... I just need to break down and get a new box man. This things even showing some faults with the video card now (old Voodoo 3).
[04:23] <Daskreech> Wow I have a Voodoo2
[04:23] <Daskreech> Thought I can't think of when last it was in a box. what is your intention for the machine?
[04:24] <Wolf_22> Daskreech: Shoutcast stream to my Soundblaster Audigy and simple file server if possible.
[04:24] <Daskreech> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522815&highlight=Belkin+F7D1101
[04:25] <Wolf_22> Might have to try that, but hey man, it's been nice: bed time for me over here in Indiana. Catch ya on the flip-flop and thanks for your help in all this mess.
[04:34] <Daskreech> Ok night
[06:56] <jussi> So, quick question, hows does one create a pdf from 3 images. (I scanned 3 pages, want them now as a pdf)
[07:02] <jussi> nvm, figured it: Pictures$ convert Image-0009.png Image-0010.png Image-0008.png new_pdf.pdf
[07:02] <jussi> :)
[07:03] <ikonia> jussi: can you do that from within the desktop, or does it have to be from the application
[07:03] <ikonia> eg: is it intergrated into the desktop ?
[07:03] <silv3r_m00n> I need a good time tracking widget for kde
[07:04] <jussi> ikonia: I think convert is a comand from imagemagick
[07:04] <jussi> silv3r_m00n: time tracking in what sense?
[07:04] <ikonia> jussi: sure, but is that now intergrated into the desktop, or are you just running "convert" from the command line ?
[07:04] <jussi> ikonia: from the clui
[07:04] <silv3r_m00n> how much I worked like coding , web development yet
[07:04] <jussi> cli
[07:05] <silv3r_m00n> etc*
[07:05] <ikonia> jussi: I was about to be impressed they had intergrated it into the desktop.....now I'm not.
[07:05] <silv3r_m00n> I found ktimetracker but its more like an application
[07:05] <silv3r_m00n> need something for the desktop , that is quick
[07:06] <jussi> silv3r_m00n: like a plasmoid ?
[07:06] <silv3r_m00n> yeah
[07:07] <jussi> silv3r_m00n: this isnt in the repos as far as I can see, but maybe useful: https://github.com/sickill/rubytime-plasmoid
[07:08] <silv3r_m00n> and how do I install it ?
[07:10] <jussi> silv3r_m00n: might be a bit complicated tbh - looks like I didnt read very well. sorry (it needs the web backend running for it to report to etc)
[07:27] <igungor> hi
[07:28] <igungor> is there any service like patch tracker of debian, for kubuntu?
[08:21] <effchen> hello, is kubuntu useful for netbooks?
[08:21] <effchen> im searching for alternatives for unitiy
[08:22] <effchen> ubuntu netbook edition was great, but unity is not
[08:30] <valorie> I like it on my netbook
[08:30] <valorie> it's on 11.10 at this point
[08:30] <valorie> the beta
[08:30] <valorie> there is a netbook interface, which is all windows maximized
[08:30] <valorie> but I don't like that
[08:30] <valorie> I just use the regular interface
[08:31] <valorie> but you can switch back and forth in systemsettings
[08:31] <effchen> i wanna be my programms sorted in categorys
[08:31] <effchen> that was so good
[08:31] <effchen> now it is possible but not so easy
[08:32] <roxxy> i am unable to open my home folder, it opens VLC up.  is there some where i can check to see if the file path has changed? if so how or where can i check to see and correct it?
[08:34] <runlevelten> anyone had any issues with sound breaking at the most recent update, who can share? It's got me stumped, but I'm at work so I both need sound alerts and lack the time to tinker extensively?
[08:35] <runlevelten> anyone who has, please ping. Obviously I won't respond straight away as I have no sound, but I'll check regularly.
[08:38]  * runlevelten reboots to try a fix
[09:08] <eean> so kmail locks up after 1 minute of having the composer open
[09:08] <eean> the event loop is still running: it checks for mail etc
[09:08] <eean> but it stops accepting new input
[09:09] <eean> using kde 4.7
[09:14] <Vovan> пиздец
[09:14] <Unit193> !ru
[09:22] <Mamarok> eean: might be a question for the kmail people, I don't think this is distro specific
[10:17] <airrobot> Hi I am unable to configure proxy settings can any one help please
[10:19] <airrobot> I did "export http_proxy=http://someValidProxy.de:3128"
[10:19] <airrobot> then I am trying "ping google.com"
[10:19] <airrobot> but there is no response
[10:20] <airrobot> any suggetions will be lot helpful
[10:38] <Torch> airrobot: ping does not use http
[10:45] <eean> is there a repo for kmail 2?
[10:48] <eean> ah found it ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:28] <raptorninja> hello is ther german speaking alowed ?
[12:35] <raptorninja> 26.09.2011 14:07:13	raptorninja-PC	dbus-daemon	[system] Rejected send message, 7 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.31" (uid=1000 pid=1662 comm="/usr/bin/plasma-desktop ") interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" member="Sleep" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" (uid=0 pid=537 comm="NetworkManager "))
[12:38] <jmut_> hi. happy kubuntu user.  It comes with gwenview for checking up images.
[12:39] <jmut_> is there some image viewer to recommend that is not trying to be "smart" about images. Rotating them for me for example and not able to see them vanilla
[12:47] <tonymc> i think there's a preference in gwenview
[12:47] <tonymc> that turns that off
[12:47] <tonymc> but i'm not sure
[13:11] <jamil_1> Hi all, sound is giving me problems. If I do sudo alsa force-reload and manually select the alsa backend and the device in vlc then sound work for vlc only
[14:17] <BarkingFish> Hi guys. I don't know if I'm missing something, but I need to install a package which doesn't appear to exist anymore, at least not in natty - it's urgent that I get it and I can't seem to install it.
[14:18] <BarkingFish> It's referred to in other packages as a require, but it's not on the mirrors - opensync-module-python
[14:18] <BarkingFish> the last I can see of it was in maverick
[14:30] <markkraevskijj> hey, guys! kubuntu 1104 on wetab 3g works correctly! congrate me!
[14:31] <OerHeks> nice, mark
[15:18] <markit> hi, with dolphin I delete a file, but tells me that the trash is full, and I have to empty it first. But is already empty! I've checked permissions and seem ok
[15:22] <genii-around> markit: Does ls ~/.local/share/Trash/files/           show any files in there?
[15:23] <markit> genii-around: ops, sorry, was trying something, I'm rebooting, hold on
[15:23] <markit> (I've moved the dir elsewhere, hope will rebuit at next login)
[15:24] <markit> (happens on a different pc than this, so I can keep chatting :))
[15:24] <markit> btw, don't know where trash dimensions are setup
[15:25] <markit> ok, has been recreated and now works
[15:25] <markit> let me investigate old trash, just for curiosity
[15:25] <markit> there is only a .directory file
[15:28] <pyron> ahoj
[15:31] <markit> genii-around: metadata file had a HUGE number inside
[15:34] <genii-around> markit: Very odd.
[15:38] <markit> yep, was Size=18446744073670674302
[16:46] <Nightsdawn> Hello, new Kbuntu user here
[16:47] <Nightsdawn> kubuntu even
[16:49] <pythonsnake> Nightsdawn: Hello.
[16:49] <pythonsnake> Nightsdawn: Welcome to Kubuntu (or Linux) World. :-).
[16:50] <pythonsnake> Nightsdawn: If you need any support, just ask. :-).
[17:03] <TheLastProject> Ah, a new Kubuntu user?
[17:03] <TheLastProject> Welcome to OS heaven
[17:04] <TheLastProject> I can almost guarantee you'll never want to switch back to Windows again
[17:04] <Nightsdawn> hi :) new to Kubuntu but have used ubuntu recently and slackware and suse waaaaay back in the day when it was faster to mail order discs than DL them
[17:05] <Nightsdawn> sorry dinner making disturbing chat
[17:05] <TheLastProject> Ah, okay
[17:06] <Nightsdawn> but mainly a windows user as i play a lot of games but think its about time to try wine and see if i can go all linux for a month :)
[17:07] <pythonsnake> TheLastProject: :-)
[17:07] <Nightsdawn> better sidh up food back in 20, sorry to drop in then vanish
[17:07] <TheLastProject> Hi o,o
[17:07] <TheLastProject> dw Nightsdawn
[17:09] <pythonsnake> dw ?
[17:09] <TheLastProject> dw = don't worry
[17:26] <Nightsdawn> back
[17:26] <pythonsnake> Welcome back.
[17:27] <pythonsnake> How to get bash completion with sudo ?
[17:27] <twocarlo> can i use pppoeconf command in kubuntu
[17:27] <twocarlo> 10.10
[17:29] <ikonia> pythonsnake: you're using 11.10 - so please don't discuss in here
[17:30] <twocarlo> because i cant connect to the internet  and because i cant do it on knetworkmanager on gui
[17:30] <ikonia> twocarlo: try it,
[17:31] <twocarlo> wait
[17:32] <Nightsdawn> using nvidia x server settings and need to save to X config file but not sure where to find it
[17:33] <pythonsnake> ikonia: it is general question, not version-specific
[17:35] <Nightsdawn> have tried /usr/share/X11/ and /usr/lib/X11/rstart/ but config file in there wont accept change
[17:35] <ikonia> pythonsnake: no - it's version specific, you ARE using 11.10 - please do not ask for support in here
[17:37] <pythonsnake> ikonia: I fixed it with complete -cf sudo command, is it version specific command or something like that ?
[17:39] <ikonia> pythonsnake: the packages and dependencies are version specifc as are any potential bugs, so I'll ask you one more time, you ARE running 11.10, please do not ask for support in here
[17:44] <Walex> I am keeping on Kubuntu LTS 10.04, but I'd like to try to update the KDE SC on it to something newer like 4.6 and wondering if there are Kubuntu KDE SC backports
[17:54] <genii-around> !info kubuntu-desktop lucid-backports
[18:00] <Nightsdawn> cant seem to save settings to xorg.conf even saving as a new file fails
[18:01] <Nightsdawn> should i overwrite an existing dile?
[18:01] <Nightsdawn> file
[18:02] <TheLastProject> I usually do "sudo kate" and open the xorg.conf file with that
[18:02] <TheLastProject> o,o
[18:02] <genii-around> kdesudo kate is preferred there
[18:02] <pythonsnake> o,o
[18:02] <TheLastProject> kdesudo?
[18:02] <TheLastProject> Hmmm, don't know the difference =/
[18:02] <TheLastProject> Is that bad?
[18:03] <Nightsdawn> thers no actual xorg.conf file just 10-evdev.conf 50-wacom.conf etc
[18:03] <TheLastProject> (Except from the fact that kdesudo looks nicer)
[18:03] <TheLastProject> etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist? o,o
[18:03] <genii-around> TheLastProject: Running graphical apps with sudo sometimes leads to problems with files getting modified ownership to root in the users home directory.
[18:03] <TheLastProject> Errr... then I don't know, sorry =/
[18:03] <Nightsdawn> im looking in /usr/share/x11/xorg.conf.d
[18:03] <genii-around> Nightsdawn: /etc/X11/xorg.conf    ( it does not exist by default )
[18:04] <Nightsdawn> i even tried locate xorg.conf
[18:04] <TheLastProject> Ah, okay
[18:04] <TheLastProject> I suppose that's a bad thing
[18:04] <genii-around> TheLastProject: Yes.
[18:04] <TheLastProject> (Geez, I know too little about Linux...)
[18:04] <TheLastProject> I have been sudo-ing all my graphical apps so far =/
[18:04] <Nightsdawn> cool ill try that cheers
[18:04] <TheLastProject> But I'll try to remember genii, thanks for the tip
[18:12] <genii-around> !kdesudo
[18:16] <TheLastProject> 2. Running graphical applications with sudo also has the downside of always having to be run from the terminal. If you don't use the proper command—gksudo or kdesudo, you will not be able to use the command as an icon launcher or keyboard shortcut because there will be no graphical dialogue box to enter your sudo password in.
[18:16] <TheLastProject> That explains so much...
[18:17] <genii-around> :)
[18:17] <Nightsdawn> so in KDE sudo is kdesudo?
[18:17] <TheLastProject> Now I know why my "sudo savage2" icon didn't work XD
[18:17] <TheLastProject> For graphical applications, yes
[18:18] <Nightsdawn> what about normally like sudo apt-get
[18:18] <TheLastProject> apt-get is a command line application, not a graphical one, so sudo should be fine
[18:18] <TheLastProject> (If I understand it right)
[18:20] <TheLastProject> (I only learned about kdesudo 5 minutes ago myself as well :P )
[18:20] <genii-around> Nightsdawn: As TheLastProject said. Commands which normally execute only in the command line are fine to use sudo with. It's only when you mix sudo with running graphical applications
[18:21] <TheLastProject> Maybe the overuse of sudo is what broke my Fedora 15 =/
[18:21] <Nightsdawn> ah ok, think i finaly saved xorg.conf with the settings i need for dual monitors, now to reboot. hope it works
[18:21] <TheLastProject> Good luck!
[18:25] <Nightsdawn> partial success
[18:26] <Nightsdawn> 2nd monitor working but as seperate window that i cant drag stuff over too but thats just a settings change
[18:26] <TheLastProject> Hey, it could be worse :P
[18:27] <TheLastProject> In Fedora 15 I broke my kernel when trying to install my graphic card driver =D
[18:31] <roboso> hello
[18:37] <roboso> con I7 ONU Devo usare THIS version? 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD
[18:37] <user_> hi...I am not able to get the X server to use the radeon driver...I get a blank screen
[18:38] <user_> the last line in the log says "AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch"
[18:38] <maco> roboso: para ayuda en español, va a #kubuntu-es por favor
[18:38] <user_> is this a problem with acpid?
[18:40] <Nightsdawn> harray success at last
[19:07] <transformers> hello
[19:07] <transformers> i have a problem
[19:08] <transformers> in kubuntu 11.04 i create flash(usb) for kubuntu 10.03 NOT work
[19:08] <transformers> a use usb creator(in kubuntu 11.04)
[19:13] <pythonsnake> Hi
[19:14] <pythonsnake> is Description:    Ubuntu oneiric (development branch) correct ofr Kubuntu ?
[19:16] <pythonsnake> Anyone can give me his lsb_release -d please ?
[19:18] <OerHeks> yes, oneiric is in development, beta 2 status
[19:19] <pythonsnake> OerHeks: lsb_release -d
[19:19] <pythonsnake> For Kubuntu is Description:    Ubuntu oneiric (development branch) ?
[19:19] <OerHeks> i am not running oneiric
[19:19] <ahel> hi! trying installing beta2 through wubi. is a bad idea mounting the cd from alcohol and not burning one?
[19:20] <OerHeks> ahel should work, but support & discussion for oneiric beta2 in #Ubuntu+1 please
[19:21] <ahel> oh thank you for your answer OerHeks :) really appreciated :)
[19:21] <OerHeks> have fun
[19:21] <pythonsnake> OerHeks: please give me your lsb_release -d
[19:22] <OerHeks> what has it to do with your oneiric question, pythonsnake ?
[19:22] <pythonsnake> OerHeks: I want to check if it's "kubuntu" or "ubuntu"
[19:23] <pythonsnake> OerHeks: please =[
[19:24] <OerHeks> Description:    Ubuntu 11.04
[19:24] <OerHeks> ic, you want to make sure if it is KDE ? > kded4 --version
[19:30] <ikonia> pythonsnake: why do you want to know
[19:30] <ikonia> pythonsnake: why do you want it ?
[19:32] <OerHeks> it is not telling what KDE version, afaik
[19:34] <ikonia> lsb isn't for the desktop, it's the core base product
[19:42] <rhudgins> Can someone tel me why when i go into System settings/Desktop effects says Desktop effects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues: but it doesnt tell me the issue?
[19:43] <rhudgins> everything is just grayed out and i cant check mark anything
[19:43] <rhudgins> i installed the compiz settings stuff but i cant make cube desktop or anything no effects work
[19:44] <rhudgins> so yeah when i run CCSM i can change settings and stuff in there but whatever i change i get no effects from anything.
[19:46] <genii-around> rhudgins: Most likely is that your current video card driver doesn't support compositing/3D effects. Many Intel cards probably will never work. There's hope for an ATI or NVidia when using proprietary drivers.
[19:47] <OerHeks> is the driver in use ?
[19:48] <genii-around> rhudgins: Perhaps run System... Additional Drivers       to see if an alternate driver is recommended.
[19:48] <rhudgins> i have PCI-E ATI
[19:48] <rhudgins> i did and installed them
[19:48] <rhudgins> looking for to find the graophics card info
[19:49] <rhudgins> ATI HD 5670
[19:50] <pythonsnake> ikonia: nothing special
[19:50] <pythonsnake> OerHeks: thanks
[19:51] <OerHeks> rhudgins, go in ccsm and see if vsync is enabled, this can cause trouble too
[19:51] <rhudgins> k one sec
[19:54] <rhudgins> man ok im sorry takign a while tryign to find where vsync is lol
[20:00] <rhudgins> well i looked through all the compiz settinstg
[20:01] <rhudgins> i dont see vsync anywhere
[20:01] <OerHeks> rhudgins, first screen, opengl
[20:02] <rhudgins> Sync to VBlank?
[20:02] <rhudgins> its checked
[20:02] <OerHeks> yes, try without ?
[20:02] <rhudgins> ok one sec
[20:03] <rhudgins> i unchecked it closed out CCSM nothing happens
[20:03] <rhudgins> i didnt even see a save or apply
[20:03] <OerHeks> close will save settings.
[20:04] <rhudgins> alright so now what do i do?
[20:04] <rhudgins> i have wobbly windows and stuff checked but i get no effects
[20:04] <OerHeks> what videocard do you have ? lspci | grep VGA
[20:05] <rhudgins> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5670]
[20:05] <OerHeks> oke, and you enabled the nvidia [current]  driver ?
[20:05] <wpecker> Hi, when I change my resolution to 1024x768 in kubuntu 11.04 the system tray and clock disappears, how can I fix this?
[20:05] <OerHeks> that would be the latest.
[20:07] <rhudgins> All i did when i installed Kubuntu was go to the thing where you have to install 3rd party drivers and i installed my ATI driver
[20:07] <rhudgins> but its not nvidia
[20:07] <ikonia> zul: /window 14
[20:07] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[20:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[20:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> whoops wrong chan
[20:09] <rhudgins> im searching the addictional drivers thing now
[20:09] <rhudgins> it says its activated
[20:10] <wpecker> Hi, when I change my resolution to 1024x768 in kubuntu 11.04 the system tray and clock disappears, how can I fix this? It comes back when I change it to another resolution like 800x600
[20:10] <rhudgins> the ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver
[20:12] <rhudgins> like my system runs fast the desktop looks good and everyting works its just cant enable effects
[20:13] <OerHeks> i am looking through http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Natty_Installation_Guide for a possible cause/solution, but can't find any clue
[20:16] <rhudgins> i'm sure its just something simple im missing like am i supose to rub CCSM as sudo or something? i dont know ive been out of the loop with linux for years just now 3 days ago decided to try out kubuntu after like 5 years of not useing linux so just a little lost
[20:16] <rhudgins> it was nice though when i installed kubuntu everything worked right from the box
[20:17] <rhudgins> and its fast!!!
[20:17] <OerHeks> no need to run ccsm as root, afaik
[20:17] <rhudgins> desktop effects is only eyecandy so im not that concerned about it but i wanted to just check it out
[20:17] <rhudgins> OerKeks: ok
[20:26] <rhudgins> OerKeks: i'm looking in the kwinrc
[20:27] <rhudgins> i see [Compositing] CheckIsSafe=true OpenGLIsUnsafe=true
[20:28] <rhudgins> and i see [Plugins] kwin4_effect_cubeslideEnabled=false kwin4_effect_fadedesktopEnabled=false kwin4_effect_slideEnabled=true
[20:33] <rhudgins> i changed the OpenGLIsUnsafe=true to false going to try that
[20:35] <russ> OerKelks: that did it!
[20:35] <russ> its enable now!
[20:35] <OerHeks> nice :-)
[20:35] <russ> awesome!
[20:35] <russ> :)
[20:36] <bilygates> hello! any idea how safe it is to install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu 11.10 beta 2? :D
[20:36] <russ> I found that “KWin has detected that your OpenGL library is unsafe to use, falling back to XRender.”
[20:37] <russ> Nice now when i hit ALT+TAB i get the flipping windows! nice!
[20:39] <OerHeks> i am courious about not been enabling that effect.
[20:39] <russ> OerKelks: you can't enable it?
[20:39] <OerHeks> bilygates, oneiric beta2 is not stable for production or seriouse use
[20:40] <OerHeks> i have nvidia, and works, but i disable those features, it does not make my pc faster.
[20:40] <bilygates> oerheks i know, i have been dumb enough to install it on my production pc
[20:40] <russ> OerKelks: ahhh i see yeah well i would never use them either they just look cool :)
[20:57] <bilygates> i'm happy to report that 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' worked flawlessly in ubuntu 11.10 beta2 ^.^
[20:58] <mj> hi for all
[20:59] <Guest87463> is here anyone willing to help with 2 monitors on kubuntu?
[21:00] <Guest87463> I have issue with 2 monitors, can anyone help me out?
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Guest87463, I would help , but i haven't any experience with 2 monitors , but if you state your issue in more detail , perhaps someone can help
[22:23] <BarkingFish> Evening guys.  I'm in need of some desperate help, and so far, google's been next to useless.  Anyone in the mood to help me fix my kernel drivers please? I need some modules I haven't got, and can't seem to reinstall them.
[22:24] <BarkingFish> I took them out earlier per instructions for installing a program called synce - I need rndis_wlan , usbnet and cdc_ether, none of which I seem to be able to get again, despite reinstalling my kernel
[22:26] <pythonsnake> hi?
[22:30] <soee> hmm im trying to install icon task but git this erro: CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE):
[22:30] <soee>   Could NOT find DBusMenuQt (missing: DBUSMENUQT_LIBRARIES
[22:30] <soee>   DBUSMENUQT_INCLUDE_DIR)
[22:30] <soee> Call Stack (most recent call first):
[22:30] <soee>   /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindDBusMenuQt.cmake:90 (find_package_handle_standard_args)
[22:30] <FloodBotK1> soee: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:31] <BarkingFish> anyone about who can help me fix this module problem please? It's pretty important
[22:35] <OerHeks> re-install of the kernel does not solve ??
[22:36] <BarkingFish> OerHeks, no
[22:36] <BarkingFish> I reinstalled from the .deb in the apt/archives and it didn't work - do I have to reinstall from kpackagekit?
[22:39] <hamed> hi every body
[22:39] <hamed> any one here
[22:39] <BarkingFish> Basically, I've bought a sync lead for my HP iPAQ, and I need to be able to sync with it in order to get my programs updated on it.  I am now getting it to appear in lsusb (Bus 004 Device 002: ID 03f0:1c1d Hewlett-Packard iPAQ) but it's not loading the right modules, it's missing rndis_host and the other two mods I need to exchange data with it
[22:41] <hamed> may be no one here
[22:42] <BarkingFish> hamed, we're here.
[22:42] <BarkingFish> If you need to ask something, ask :)  We won't bite.
[22:42] <BarkingFish> much
[22:43] <hamed> ok i tried to install windows and ubuntu on my laptop but i damaged my hard
[22:43] <hamed> at first i lost one of my partitions
[22:43] <hamed> his name changed
[22:43] <hamed> and no data on it
[22:44] <BarkingFish> hamed, did you try to install ubuntu or kubuntu?
[22:44] <hamed> the second when i try to install ubuntu the hard appear as a one part
[22:44] <hamed> ubuntu
[22:45] <BarkingFish> hamed - you need to ask #ubuntu then
[22:45] <BarkingFish> we deal with the KDE version here
[22:46] <hamed> ok thank you very much
[22:46] <BarkingFish> no problem
[23:35] <sizz> I'm trying to setup google calendar in thunderbird 7 (for 11.10), but there's no 'file->new->calendar' option in the menu. can anyone confirm this, and is there a solution?
[23:38] <zapperdj> does anyone know how can i asign an different activity to each virtual desktop in kde 4.6?
[23:39] <zapperdj> i know it was possible in earliar versions of kde4, but onthe latest ones it seems impossible