[07:16] <Mirv> plars: I forgot to mention but I filed a bug about that maguro qmlscene crasher, but I just didn't get a good retrace bug #1269080
[07:17] <Mirv> the tracer service's trace at least goes somewhere inside Mir
[08:23] <vila> qa-intel-4000 crashed ~1h ago and has been power-cycled, seems fine now
[08:24] <vila> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/CI/IncidentLog/2014-01-15-qa-intel-4000-crashed for details
[09:05] <sil2100> didrocks: morning! A strange incident took place in cu2d which caused a lot of check jobs and build jobs to fail
[09:05] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, what happened?
[09:05] <sil2100> didrocks: the symptoms are as follows: it can be seen that a prepare job for a project prepares the source package and uploads it to the PPA, then:
[09:06] <sil2100> didrocks: the packages do not show up in the PPA (as if they were never uploaded), the build job wants to check for the status of those packages, but it cannot, since those are not uploaded
[09:07] <sil2100> didrocks: so the build job fails - do you know if we had a problem like that before?
[09:07] <sil2100> didrocks: it's not a single case, since many stacks failed in the same way: phone, apps, settings etc.
[09:07] <sil2100> didrocks: for instance, the dialer-app prepare job says it uploaded: Uploading dialer-app_0.1+14.04.20140115-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[09:08] <didrocks> sil2100: not sure, can you try dputing manually to the ppa?
[09:08] <sil2100> didrocks: but the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=dialer-app&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= (nothing)
[09:08] <didrocks> I guess we'll need to check if launchpad rejected the uploads
[09:08] <didrocks> fginther has access to the emails
[09:08] <didrocks> from ps-jenkins
[09:08] <sil2100> ACK
[09:13] <asac> balloons: hey
[09:13] <asac> balloons: have you tried backing out all the components?
[09:26] <Mirv> it would be cool to add more cores to brains
[09:27] <sil2100> Amen
[09:29] <sil2100> didrocks: a direct manual dput of any package to the PPA worked fine
[09:30] <sil2100> didrocks: it might have been some LP/PPA strangeness for a period of time, but I guess we'd need some logs to know for sure
[09:30] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, I guess we need fghinter access to ps-jenkins emails then
[09:30] <didrocks> sil2100: can you try building something and see if it was transiant?
[09:31] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, I'll start one of the stacks maybe
[09:31] <sil2100> didrocks: btw. the hangouts session says 'This party is over' o_O ?
[09:31] <didrocks> sil2100: you should have a wrong link I guess
[09:31] <didrocks> sil2100: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Y2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbV91cTRvNmQyMWJvNmJ0bm1mcW9xZWtsNTdnOEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t.us2orfbhb8ssqjui2u15tajj3s
[09:32] <sil2100> didrocks: the same here, hm
[10:05] <psivaa> didrocks: reverting hud from 13.10.1+14.04.20140108-0ubuntu1 to 13.10.1+14.04.20131205-0ubuntu1 made the maguro messaging ui test to pass.
[10:06] <didrocks> can you give details to thorst?
[10:06] <didrocks> on #ubuntu-touch?
[10:38] <vila> sil2100: do you have an estimated time on when your ppa issue occurred ? There seem to have been an issue with lp ~14 hours ago on http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/trusty-touch-maguro-smoke-install-and-boot/162/ .
[10:39] <sil2100> vila: when I was looking at this issue in the mornign, I saw that jobs that were started 2 hours ago (back then) had the issues - so from now it's around 4 hours ago when the issues happened
[10:40] <vila> sil2100: hmm, probably unrelated then, never mind.
[10:40] <sil2100> vila: how long did those LP issues been happening?
[10:40] <vila> sil2100: no idea, the one I referred to looks like a transient one
[10:41] <didrocks> sil2100: are the latest jobs better?
[10:43] <sil2100> didrocks: it looks better now, the all-job kicked in now even
[10:43] <sil2100> And I see that so far dputting works
[10:43] <sil2100> So I'm crossing fingers that all the stacks will be ok this time
[10:44] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, seems we had a launchpad outage then
[10:54] <cjwatson> or a transient network glitch, or ...
[10:54] <cjwatson> (no record of a general outage around that time)
[10:57] <sil2100> I want cu2d to move through those stacks that failed last time, I want to see if it wasn't anything strange with some selected stacks by some strange coincidence
[11:04] <didrocks> sil2100: also, something else to track when you have time, can you check why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg indicator-datetime recommends indicator-applet which is in universe?
[11:05] <sil2100> didrocks: looking into that
[11:05] <didrocks> thx!
[11:10] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100: that's because of ppc64el
[11:11] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100: the indicator recommends and indicator-renderer, our preferred one is unity but it didn't build yet on ppc64el so component mismatch resolves the available alternative option
[11:11] <sil2100> seb128: ah... thanks for the information
[11:12] <sil2100> Indeed, I see it's dep-waiting on libunity stuff for ppc64el
[11:14] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-misc/4.0.5daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1 <- hmm
[11:14] <mandel> morning, I'm wondering if there is a way to fix the following CI fails https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-download-manager-trusty-amd64-ci/161/console that are due to the speed of jenkins instead of increasing the timeout, is a little ugly to keep increasing the timeout when in a local machine there are no issues
[11:15] <cjwatson> component-mismatches(-proposed) is processed by humans for exactly this kind of reason; there are often issues with new ports and all kinds of other things
[11:16] <cjwatson> That libunity-misc build failure looks like something that would happen on all architectures if retried, though
[11:18] <seb128> cjwatson, right, another package doing Werror and hitting GTK deprecations it seems
[11:18] <sil2100> cjwatson: indeed, while it only got re-built for ppc64el since the others were already from trusty I guess
[11:18] <cjwatson> saucy, but yes
[11:18] <vila> mandel: that's.... a delicate one :-/ From the CI side, what timeout should be used ? If I were to change that, I will ask the project devs for advice and even then, I doubt there is a valid value for all tests.
[11:18] <sil2100> Right, saucy ;) Typo
[11:19] <seb128> sil2100, cjwatson: let me propose a fix for that ftbfs
[11:19] <sil2100> cjwatson, seb128: I guess I'll try fixing that, as Neil is not around anymore
[11:19] <sil2100> Oh, ok
[11:19] <cjwatson> bits of the unity stack will still fail until we're on Qt 5.2
[11:19] <cjwatson> (anything that needs qtdeclarative)
[11:19] <mandel> vila, the main issue I have is that I can increase the timeout but there is no guarantee that it will be valid in the future, that is, the servers might be slower and then the fail will be back :-/
[11:19] <vila> mandel: short of making the CI network at least as fast as your local one, how do we know the test correctly succeeds ?
[11:20] <sil2100> cjwatson: at least unity7 bits will move forward with this one fixed, as those are qt5 independent
[11:20] <cjwatson> right
[11:20] <cjwatson> well, except somebody needs to fix zeitgeist
[11:21] <cjwatson> oh, pitti did, good
[11:21] <mandel> vila, indeed, in this case I'm worried because I have been writing integration tests that spawn dbus daemons and http severs and is a bad idea to wait for ever for a dbus signal, for example
[11:21] <vila> mandel: yeah, I see your point, but I fail to see how to fix that :-/ Other than letting you control what a valid timeout is...
[11:21] <vila> mandel: yeah, tricky, but again, that requires internal knowledge of what the test expects
[11:22] <mandel> vila, well, I'll keep increasing it since it does not make the tests to be slower in the local machines, the code is testing the value of the var until is equal or the timeout is reached and fails
[11:22] <mandel> vila, so, technically my changes are not breaking the devs work
[11:22] <vila> mandel: yup, I was about to mention that: when tests succeed, the timeout is irrelavant
[11:22] <vila> irrelevant even
[11:23] <vila> mandel: but that's an area where I have little advice to provide except that test that rely on timeouts are inherently brittle ;-/
[11:24] <cjwatson> hmm, also, url-dispatcher is architecture-restricted but various indicator-* packages build-dep on it
[11:24] <mandel> vila, agreed, but when you are dealing with the emission of signals from qt is unavoidable :-/
[11:24] <vila> mandel: even trying to guess some values on the fly by exercising various parts (CPU, network), it's hard to scale
[11:24] <cjwatson> maybe that won't matter for this
[11:25] <vila> mandel: yeah, I know it's hard. The only workarond I can think of is having the test be purely event based instead of polling, but that's hard to reach
[11:26] <vila> mandel: increasing the timeouts is hardly satisfying either but it's still the only pragmatic solution I can think of
[11:26] <mandel> vila, yeah.. and in this precise tests I'm testing that the signal is used and a cb used.. well, I'll do my best to get this to work.. bummer
[11:27] <vila> mandel: have you tried with the emulator ? It's said to be slow and that may help you to get a behavior closer to what happens in CI ?
[11:27] <mandel> vila, not yet, it is in my plans for the system image updates in a week or two, atm I'm focusing on getting full integration tests
[11:28] <vila> mandel: you may also want to talk to QA about that timeout issue, they probably encounter it too
[11:28] <mandel> vila, ok, will do
[11:29] <mandel> thx for the info
[11:29] <mandel> vila, I have another question related to CI, I'm spawning a http server to listen to 8080 and will increate the port number about 10 times in case the port is used
[11:30] <mandel> vila, does CI do something to avoid tests on a project breaking other tests, for example, the chromium tests also spawning a server in 8080
[11:30] <vila> mandel: yeah, a bad idea ;) socket.bind(0) can be used to get an unused port
[11:31] <mandel> vila, dammed.. I'll try to take a look at that using simplehttpserver :-/
[11:31] <vila> mandel: nope, we don't AFAIK (not sure how we would try... putting that in my background to think about it)
[11:32] <vila> mandel: bzrlib.test.http_server should have examples
[11:32] <mandel> vila, I'm dealing with cpp :P
[11:32] <mandel> vila, is not that easy to know the port etc.. anyway, is my job to find a decent way :)
[11:32] <seb128> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/libunity-misc/wno-error-deprecated-declarations/+merge/201755
[11:33] <vila> mandel: ? you mean simplehttpserver is written in cpp ?
[11:33] <sil2100> seb128: thanks! Test-building and reviewing
[11:33] <seb128> sil2100, that code is deprecated, it feels like it's not worth trying to update to not use deprecated functions, let's just not error out on those
[11:33] <mandel> vila, no, I'm starting it via cpp so I need to look on how to get the port it is using
[11:33] <mandel> vila, not to worry, I'll take a look later on how to fix this
[11:33] <sil2100> seb128: makes sense, we're not actively maintaining those parts of code anyway
[11:34] <vila> mandel: ha right, yeah, the idiom is to output the port used on stdout or stderr in that case
[11:34] <vila> mandel: so 1) you start the server, 2) you get the port 3) you give the port to your clients 4) you don't forget to stop the server when done ;)
[11:35] <mandel> vila, yeah, something of the kind with no timeouts etc..
[11:35] <vila> 4 includes error handling ;)
[11:35] <vila> mandel: right, 2 is also a way to make sure the server is already listening and can be used by clients
[12:04] <psivaa> didrocks: just an update, no luck still yet on rssreader failure reverts. working on the list still.
[12:04] <didrocks> psivaa: thanks for the update, good luck for the rest :)
[12:16] <seb128> sil2100, can you get libunity-misc released?
[12:20] <sil2100> seb128: sure, just waiting for the stack runs to finish - once that's cleared, I'll release it because it's a bit critical
[12:20] <sil2100> So I think of it as an exception from our 'blocking' rule
[12:21] <seb128> sil2100, thanks (it also doesn't affect touch so shouldn't get didrocks angry either ;-)
[12:49] <sil2100> didrocks: hmm... it happened again ;/
[12:49] <didrocks> sil2100: maybe try #webops?
[12:50] <didrocks> to debug and with cihelp ^
[12:50] <didrocks> to know if it's a network issue, a launchpad issue or anything else
[12:56] <sil2100> didrocks: the repository size!
[12:56] <sil2100> didrocks: we have too many packages!
[12:56] <sil2100> 2.0 GiB (100.00%) of 2.0 GiB
[12:56] <ahayzen> Hi, I'm having an issue landing the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906 ... when looking at the logs https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4675/console it appears tht the process isn't even starting, is Jenkins broken in some way? Thanks in advance.
[12:56] <sil2100> cihelp ^
[12:56] <sil2100> I poke #webops now
[12:56] <didrocks> sil2100: needs cleaning old ones then ;)
[12:57] <sil2100> didrocks: webops are bumping the size for us now, but a cleanup would be good anyway
[12:57] <didrocks> sil2100: yep
[12:59] <sil2100> Bumped to 8G \o/
[12:59] <didrocks> great, please look if we can autoclean some though ;)
[13:05] <cjohnston> ahayzen: look at the crashes.. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4675/
[13:05] <ahayzen> cjohnston, the process ends before it even has a chance? 'appears process has already exited.'
[13:06] <sil2100> didrocks: sure :)
[13:07] <cjohnston> ahayzen: qmlscene crashed
[13:08] <sil2100> didrocks: if you don't mind, I'll re-run all the stacks, since there's too many singular-cases
[13:08] <ahayzen> cjohnston, ah ... surely can't be from 3 line changes?
[13:08] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, fine
[13:09] <cjohnston> ahayzen: it could be, it could be that there is a problem elsewhere that's causing the crash.
[13:09] <sil2100> seb128: I published libunity-misc, it should be in proposed pretty soon I guess?
[13:10] <ahayzen> cjohnston, it passed once before if u look at the MP https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[13:10]  * sil2100 has to jump out for lunch and some errands, be back soonish
[13:10] <seb128> sil2100, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-misc/4.0.5+14.04.20140115-0ubuntu1
[13:10] <seb128> sil2100, thanks, enjoy lunch!
[13:10] <seb128> sil2100, seems it already built fine on some arch and is building ppc64el atm, let's see how that goes
[13:11] <cjohnston> ahayzen: did trunk change between the two? did something else change between the two? is it maybe something being flaky?
[13:11] <ahayzen> cjohnston, well we thought it was tht so i pulled trunk yesterday but still fails :/
[13:12] <cjohnston> ahayzen: not sure what to tell you. someone will need to investigate the crashes
[13:12] <ahayzen> cjohnston, ok who is best to do tht?
[13:12] <cjohnston> probably the developers for the things that are crashing?
[13:13] <ahayzen> cjohnston, ok, thanks for ur help :)
[14:11] <fginther> morning
[14:12] <timp> cjohnston: about https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[14:12] <timp> cjohnston: do you have an idea why CI is not running for the changes? (only autolanding which fails)
[14:13] <timp> I'm used to seeing new CI results for each change committed in an MR
[14:13] <cprov> fginther: good morning and thanks for the pointer on the PP upload notifications.
[14:13] <cjohnston> timp: I believe because the person is not Canonical.. fginther ^
[14:13] <cprov> fginther: although, I do not have access to that ML yet
[14:16] <timp> cjohnston: is there a way to trigger it anyway? it would be useful here to get CI results.
[14:18] <cjohnston> timp: I'm not sure about that... its failing because of crashes, so more than likely if those crashes aren't fixed, it's going to keep failing..  it doesn't look like anything has changed since the last time autolanding was run
[14:21] <timp> cjohnston: maybe.
[14:21] <fginther> cjohnston, timp, to answer at least one question, CI jobs are only automatically executed for Canonical people. Further, an MP from a non-Canonical submitter has to be top approved by a member of Canonical.
[14:21] <timp> cjohnston: I duplicated the MR here - https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/201784
[14:22] <timp> so I will see if CI fails there.. if yes, I revert the changes and if CI passes then, that means the original MR is broken.
[14:22] <timp> (in the code).
[14:22] <timp> fginther: yes, I top approved it but it fails. I don't see how the changes can break anything, but perhaps I am missing something.
[14:22] <timp> let's see what happens with my MR
[14:22] <cjohnston> timp: I still believe its failing due to crashes, that may not be from the changes in the MP
[14:22] <timp> cjohnston: yes, it seems like *something* is crashing
[14:23] <fginther> timp, I'm looking for the last known crasher bug, maybe it's rearing its ugly head here
[14:23] <cjohnston> timp: there are a few things crashing
[14:24] <timp> we had some merges in ubuntu-ui-toolkit trunk that passed autolanding these days. just this branch doesn't like to go in for a while now
[14:27] <fginther> cjohnston, timp, This is the bug I was looking for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu/+bug/1262982
[14:27] <fginther> cjohnston, timp, It appears to cause what appear to be random crashes. I can't say that is what is causing the failures in the uitk MP, it would need crash analysis to confirm
[14:42] <timp> fginther: the autolanding failures here seem quite consistent. but that could be a coincidense
[14:42] <timp> *coincidence
[15:00] <balloons> sergiusens, didrocks fyi, I have a mp in the works for rssreader
[15:34] <didrocks> balloons: great, with the local xml I guess? just tell us and we'll kick an image once done
[15:37] <ogra_> didrocks, what do we do about calendar ?
[15:39] <didrocks> ogra_: calendar regressed? Sorry a lot going on, couldn't follow latest results
[15:42] <ogra_> didrocks, one qmlscene crash, 10 test failures in the latest image
[15:42] <ogra_> seems a bunch of people looked into it already, but i havent seen the golden shot for a fix yet
[15:43] <didrocks> sergiusens: is it related to the calendar release you wanted? ^
[15:46] <ogra_> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1268693
[15:47] <ogra_> seems to have come in with the Mir update
[15:47] <didrocks> ogra_: ah, that one is a flakyness issue with Mir, right?
[15:48] <didrocks> psivaa: plars: can you try relaunch the calendar AP tests? To know if it's a flaky issue
[15:48] <ogra_> well, according to davmor2 only 3 out of 10 test runs of calendar passed for him
[15:48] <didrocks> ogra_: Mir didn't change and run on previous isos
[15:48] <didrocks> so, maybe it's a Mir locking up
[15:48] <didrocks> let's see
[15:49] <psivaa> didrocks: ack, just a sec
[15:49] <didrocks> hum
[15:49] <didrocks> yeah, rev 126 was better
[15:49] <didrocks> bue not 125
[15:49] <ogra_> didrocks, well, seems calendar is flaky since 119
[15:50] <ogra_> (according to davmor2 )
[15:50] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I'm fetching history back
[15:50] <didrocks> ogra_: which is the latest Mir release
[15:50] <ogra_> right
[15:50] <didrocks> so not a "regression" from latest promoted imagfe
[15:50] <didrocks> just something to put on the list to track
[15:50] <didrocks> sounds legit?
[15:50] <davmor2> didrocks, ogra_: from what I understand it is a mix of possibilities from mir and gfx memory, to system memory, to race in unity app launcher.  And back to mir and gfx memory again
[15:50] <ogra_> well, not sure we can claim that just because we missed the error all the time
[15:51] <cjwatson> seb128: libunity-misc/ppc64el passed, but now unity/ppc64el fails.  Also doesn't look ppc64el-specific, but I'm not sure as I don't really speak C++
[15:51] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, but we only compared 2 promoted images
[15:51] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, but we can nail it to a certain time
[15:52] <ogra_> didrocks, the point is, can we call it "not a regression" just because we were lucky and the tests passed for some days by sheer luck
[15:52] <didrocks> ogra_: I didn't tell "not a regression" but "not a regression from latest promoted image"
[15:53] <davmor2> ogra_: it might just be that there is some more memory in use now that wasn't before and that is enough to stop the app running correctly
[15:53] <didrocks> which means, not an image promotion blocker
[15:53] <didrocks> but put on the high priority list as a regression from saucy
[15:53] <ogra_> didrocks, well, that might be true
[15:53] <ogra_> from saucy ?
[15:53] <ogra_> from image 118 rather :)
[15:53] <didrocks> yeah, but in general, I mean ;)
[15:54] <sergiusens> didrocks, calendar only fixes tests; the qmlscene crashes seem to come from the image; I'm losing free ram ;-)
[15:54] <ogra_> didrocks, right, we seemingly released 121 with that
[15:54] <didrocks> sergiusens: buy more! :)
[15:54] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, thanks for the hilight, I'm adding that to the list
[15:54]  * ogra_ hands sergiusens a soldering iron
[15:54] <didrocks> let's wait on balloons for rssreader and we'll kick an image
[15:54] <ogra_> ++
[15:55] <sergiusens> ogra_, I need someone who understands memory mapping on the emulator ;-)
[15:55] <davmor2> didrocks: he is on the emulator just provide it with more ram surely no need to buy some :D
[15:55]  * ogra_ hands sergiusens an emulated soldering iron then
[15:55] <didrocks> heh
[15:56] <davmor2> sergiusens: blame ogra_ it works for me
[15:56] <ogra_> sergiusens, i dont think the arch used i the emulator understands more than mapping 512M ... we would need a newer qemu version in there
[15:56] <davmor2> sergiusens: please note, it doesn't fix it, it just means you got to blame someone :D
[15:56] <ogra_> iirc rsalveti researched that when we started the emulator work
[16:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, there's a fix that lool did a few years ago that we might be able to use
[16:06] <rsalveti> but max is still 7xx
[16:06] <ogra_> yeah
[16:06] <rsalveti> other than that it'll overwrite the kernel memory
[16:07] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/linux-patches/
[16:08] <psivaa> didrocks: calendar app test rerun has finished with 5 failures (earlier there were 10 failures)
[16:09] <didrocks> yeah, so the flakyness ones
[16:09] <didrocks> ok, thanks for confirming psivaa ;)
[16:09] <psivaa> yw :)
[16:09] <didrocks> rsalveti: balloons: any news on rssreader?
[16:09] <silDroid> Hi guys
[16:10] <balloons> didrocks, I'm stuck in meetings all morning :-( But I want to push the quick fix in
[16:10] <silDroid> I might be a bit late for the meeting, I'm stuck in Katowice right now waiting for a train
[16:10] <silDroid> The last errand left me stranded here :/
[16:11] <didrocks> balloons: do you mean, you are working in parallel? You know that all ubuntu touch work is blocked on that issue, right?
[16:11] <balloons> didrocks, bien sur!
[16:11] <silDroid> We're trying to get home now somehow
[16:11] <didrocks> balloons: merci!
[16:11] <didrocks> silDroid: ok, keep us posted, at worse, read emails :)
[16:12] <silDroid> Sure I think we'll be back in an hour or so, sorry for not being aroun
[16:12] <silDroid> D
[16:12] <silDroid> Ok, time to leave the wifi area
[16:13] <ogra_> didrocks, time you allow him to expense a car ;)
[16:13] <didrocks> ogra_: ahah! I would hate that :p I'm so happy to not have one myself ;)
[16:13] <didrocks> (just renting, like next Saturday, for 3 hours for instance)
[16:14] <ogra_> but he seems to drive cross country by train all the time :)
[16:14] <didrocks> I'm not sure how far Katowice is from him
[16:14] <didrocks> but yeah ;)
[16:14] <ogra_> (my car is rotting in the grarage too ... not the job to have one)
[16:15] <didrocks> exactly
[16:17] <popey> heh, same here
[16:17] <popey> i got in it the other day and all the windows were frozen
[16:17] <popey> (on the inside)
[16:17] <ogra_> heh
[16:18] <didrocks> popey: it was "frozener" in the inside? ;)
[16:18] <popey> it was chuffing cold!
[16:18] <didrocks> (sorry, couldn't resist)
[16:18] <ogra_> really ? i thought the uk is only wet thee days
[16:18] <ogra_> *these
[16:19] <popey> its certainly very wet, yes
[16:19] <popey> cold now and then in the morning
[16:19] <popey> not that I drive it in the morning ☻
[16:19] <ogra_> germany seems to have switched to eternal autumn ... 6°C constantly since 6 weeks
[16:19]  * popey enjoys the commute from upstairs to downstairs
[16:19] <ogra_> and grey
[16:19] <didrocks> ogra_: 6! we had 12-13 here ;)
[16:19] <popey> hey! grey is our colour!
[16:19] <ogra_> popey, heh, me too, my only sports i do
[16:20] <didrocks> 8 today (and gree)
[16:20] <didrocks> but back to 12 on Friday
[16:20] <ogra_> didrocks, we had short warm bumps of 1-2 days ... but the average is 6 ... and that still goes on
[16:20] <didrocks> anyway, it's crazyness…
[16:20] <ogra_> usually it would be -10 or so
[16:21] <didrocks> hah, really cold for you. The average temperature is 3 here in January
[16:21] <ogra_> i'm ~400m high here
[16:22] <didrocks> 162m here ;)
[16:22] <didrocks> well, on one of the 2 hills, it's 305m! :)
[16:22] <didrocks> (and 600 stairs)
[16:22] <ogra_> heh, stairs
[16:22] <didrocks> I was so thin when I was a student, climbing them everyday
[16:22] <didrocks> in the end, I was just reading books and bypassing people in those stairs
[16:23] <ogra_> haha
[16:24] <didrocks> http://dvalot.free.fr/pictures/escaliers/Montee_des_Chazeaux_DSD_0464.jpg (part 1 of the stairs)
[16:25] <ogra_> we only have some fake stairs up the hill here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergpark_Wilhelmsh%C3%B6he
[16:25] <didrocks> ah right, it's more for the style than being useful :)
[16:25] <ogra_> in summer they are water cascades
[16:25] <didrocks> oh nice
[16:26] <ogra_> but its all fake ...
[16:26] <ogra_> first disneyland in the world
[16:27] <didrocks> interesting… is that the city as a whole in that spirit?
[16:27] <ogra_> nope ... i think it was but it was completely bombed down in WW2
[16:28] <ogra_> there are no old parts in this city, everything was built after 1950
[16:28] <ogra_> (and it looks like you imagine ... 50-70 architecture is awful)
[16:28] <didrocks> yeah… so less "historical" sense
[16:29] <ogra_> definitely
[16:29] <didrocks> I prefer to not give my so bad option about the 70s architecture :p
[16:29] <didrocks> opinion*
[16:29] <ogra_> heh
[16:29] <balloons> sergiusens, can you check, and approve if it runs ok for you? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-add-topic-test/+merge/201809
[16:31] <balloons> popey, perhaps ^^?
[16:31] <popey> sure thing
[16:31] <popey> doing now
[16:39] <seb128> cjwatson, yeah, seems like an issue with zg maybe, something for the unity team to look at, I'm going to ping them
[16:39] <cjwatson> nod, thanks
[16:39] <slangasek> didrocks: hi, so asac has indicated that the rssreader test failure may be fixed now, is that true?
[16:40] <slangasek> didrocks: or do you need more support yet tracking it down?
[16:40] <balloons> slangasek, just testing out on the mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-add-topic-test/+merge/201809
[16:40] <didrocks> slangasek: it's figured out (I'm going to send an email about it), balloons has a fix, but we need popey/sergio to publish it
[16:40] <didrocks> (to the click store)
[16:40] <slangasek> didrocks: ok cool
[16:41] <didrocks> thanks for proposing the help :) (and yeah, the more testing, the better)
[16:41] <seb128> cjwatson, good news, they already have a fix for the issue up for review
[16:42] <popey> balloons: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6757070/  rss tests failed twice
[16:43] <balloons> popey, your click build didn't push.. look at the version ;-)
[16:43] <ogra_> slangasek, the test used an actual feed (from canonical.com) ... the xml of the feed changed
[16:43] <balloons> popey, you built com.ubuntu.shorts_0.2.163_all.click but ran com.ubuntu.shorts_shorts_0.2.152
[16:44] <popey> hmm
[16:44] <slangasek> didrocks: fwiw, I'm glad to see the mail to ubuntu-devel about this, but I think there was insufficient information included for most people to know where to start looking for regressions - would be great if part of the stop the line procedure could include a pointer to the delta in package versions when the regression was introduced
[16:44] <popey> wonder why
[16:44] <popey> balloons: your script ☻
[16:44] <slangasek> ogra_: right, the last time rssreader had a test failure (for 3 months) was due to a similar issue on the canonical.com rss feed... I would've loved to replace this with local test data, but the qml api doesn't support it :P
[16:45] <balloons> popey, got some tweaks for that to pass on soon ;-)
[16:45] <ogra_> slangasek, well, autopilot should just ship a minimal local webserver ... and mangle the rssreader config to point to localhost
[16:46] <balloons> rss reader is not the only app that has network dependencies
[16:46] <didrocks> slangasek: yeah, I copied that on IRC, should add that to the email, I'll ensure next time we have it
[16:46] <balloons> nor is it the last.. reminders is on the docket to be added to CI (you may not know it yet hah!), and depends on evernote
[16:46] <didrocks> slangasek: btw, do you know why I can't post to ubuntu-devel? I was moderated in each email telling I posted as a Non developer from my @ubuntu.com address
[16:46] <didrocks> slangasek: I tested, I still have uploads rights (thanks to the HUD reverts :p) Nobody demoted me (yet ;))
[16:47] <balloons> popey, running my branch in the emulator too.. did you retry the script?
[16:47] <slangasek> ogra_: installing a local webserver on the phone for autopilot testing? ARGH
[16:48] <didrocks> balloons: we really need autopilot to provide an emulator to factorize this code…
[16:48] <ogra_> slangasek, #/bin/sh ...
[16:48] <balloons> didrocks, we've spoken about this in the past.. we are trying to reduce our dependence, but there isn't a simple answer to be found as of yet
[16:49] <ogra_> slangasek, while true; do { echo -e 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK\r\n'; \
[16:49] <ogra_> #       cat rss.cml; } | nc -l 80; done
[16:49] <balloons> it's definitely on my mind
[16:49] <ogra_> err
[16:49] <ogra_> .xml indeed
[16:49] <slangasek> ogra_: ok, so something we can run from the autopilot dir without having to install a webserver package, that's fine :)
[16:49] <didrocks> balloons: well, not telling you should be the one doing it :)
[16:49] <ogra_> slangasek, yeah, indeed i didnt mean to install apache, just something that returns a file on port 80
[16:50] <slangasek> didrocks: posting to ubuntu-devel> no idea at all, sorry, not an admin on u-d
[16:50] <didrocks> time to look at who is in the admin configuration
[16:53] <popey> balloons: i tried twice
[16:53] <popey> three times in fact
[16:53] <balloons> popey, is it not building the click app?
[16:54] <popey> Successfully built package in './com.ubuntu.shorts_0.2.163_all.click'.
[16:54] <balloons> log perhaps?
[16:54]  * popey fiddles
[16:55] <popey> got it
[16:55] <popey> i had a click in /tmp
[16:55] <popey> and i think your script assumes it generated the only click in /tmp
[16:55] <balloons> the older script yea has some poor assumptions :-)
[16:56] <popey> ok, running 163
[16:56] <balloons> :-) perfect
[16:57] <popey> Ran 3 tests in 117.524s
[16:57] <popey> OK
[16:58] <balloons> woot
[16:59] <sergiusens> slangasek, webbrowser and notes have local webservers as part of their tests; should be doable
[16:59] <slangasek> sergiusens: oh, excellent :)
[17:03] <didrocks> sil2100: cyphermox: kenvandine: robru: around/coming?
[17:03] <robru> didrocks, link? when i try to join the hangout it tells me it's over already
[17:03] <didrocks> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Y2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbV91cTRvNmQyMWJvNmJ0bm1mcW9xZWtsNTdnOEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t.cg7k3h1nmqml7psc1nn68223i0
[17:04] <robru> didrocks, "This party is over.... but you can start a new one"
[17:04] <popey> balloons: Ran 3 tests in 113.386s
[17:04] <popey> OK
[17:04] <kenvandine> didrocks, sorry, in another meeting
[17:04] <popey> good to me
[17:05] <balloons> k, so sergiusens can you push rss reader in? :-)
[17:05] <sergiusens> balloons, yes; the lunch and then I might add that mocking for the webserver if you want
[17:06] <sergiusens> balloons, your MR hasn't merged yet
[17:07] <balloons> sergiusens, :-( Ok.. I blame jenkins bot
[17:07] <balloons> ty popey and sergiusens
[17:07] <sergiusens> fginther, can you speed it up?
[17:07] <balloons> it's running, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-rssreader-app-autolanding/
[17:07] <fginther> sergiusens, ditto
[17:08] <sergiusens> cheerio
[17:09] <fginther> sergiusens, merged
[17:20] <didrocks> sergiusens: we're at you!
[17:20] <didrocks> looking*
[17:20]  * didrocks shouldn't eat words
[17:20] <sergiusens> didrocks, I'm here
[17:20] <sergiusens> just building the click
[17:20] <didrocks> sergiusens: just tell us once publish and I'll kick an image
[17:20] <didrocks> thanks man :)
[17:23] <sergiusens> popey, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/155/
[17:23] <sergiusens> np
[17:26] <popey> sergiusens: ack
[17:28] <sergiusens> didrocks, do you have access to snakefruit?
[17:29]  * sergiusens thinks he asked this already
[17:29] <popey> sergiusens: approved
[17:30] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah
[17:36] <sergiusens> didrocks, you can force sync the click packages for building if you want; there's a cronned click-sync.py in there
[17:37] <sergiusens> if not, I think it will trigger at :10 or :43 iirc
[17:37] <didrocks> sergiusens: do you know if it's in the archive admin one?
[17:37] <didrocks> account?
[17:38] <cjwatson> it is
[17:38]  * didrocks looks
[17:38] <cjwatson> it's at 11,41 * * * *
[17:38] <didrocks> ok, no need to win 3 minutes then ;)
[17:38] <didrocks> (seeing it)
[17:44] <sergiusens> didrocks, seems ok to trigger now
[17:44] <sergiusens> the image build
[17:44] <didrocks> sergiusens: done!
[17:44] <didrocks> balloons: FYI ^
[17:45] <didrocks> plars: can you please ensure we are getting results for images 130? it's an important one :)
[17:45] <didrocks> (once built of course :p)
[18:13] <plars> didrocks: will do
[18:15] <sil2100> kenvandine: hello! Do you have a moment for https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/extra_packages_for_stacks/+merge/201820 ? ;)
[18:23] <timp> cjwatson: so my copy of the MR that was crashing gets good results for CI
[18:23] <timp> cjwatson: see https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906 and https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/201784
[18:23] <timp> cjwatson: the .crash files don't tell me more :s
[18:24] <robru> sil2100, approved
[18:24] <sil2100> robru: thank you! ;)
[18:25] <robru> sil2100, you're welcome
[18:25] <timp> robru: perhaps you have an idea? something (qmlscene?) is crashing here for autolanding https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[18:25] <timp> CI passes on my copy of the MR, so maybe I can get that one merged... but still it is weird.
[18:27] <timp> perhaps we need a unity developer to have a look at it?
[18:27] <robru> timp, very weird. the traceback looks like it has something to do with autopilot's interactions with dbus. beyond that I couldn't say why.
[18:27] <robru> timp, maybe you should ping thomi about it
[18:29] <timp> robru: ok. at what time does he usually come online?
[18:29] <robru> timp, hmmm, not sure. maybe email him for now?
[18:29] <timp> okay
[18:29] <ahayzen> timp, for the past two days he has been in meetings at this sorta time
[18:30] <ahayzen> timp, i was talking to him about other autopilot issues lol
[18:30] <timp> it seems like he is in new zealand where it is 7:30 in the morning now
[18:30] <timp> if I were him, I would be sleeping
[18:30] <timp> I'll mail him :)
[18:31] <timp> ahayzen: what's your e-mail address? I can cc you
[18:31] <ahayzen> timp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:36] <fginther> timp, ahayzen, if you're talking about https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906, the autopilot trace backs are caused by the app not being there, probably because of the qmlscene crash
[18:37] <timp> fginther: yes that is what we are talking about
[18:37] <timp> fginther: I copied the same MR here, and there CI passes https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/201784
[18:38] <timp> fginther: what does it mean the app not being there? which app is that? the UITK gallery app? or something else?
[18:40] <timp> fginther: which log file are you looking at?
[18:40] <fginther> timp, I don't know the exact mechanics, the process launched is qmlscene which matches the crash file
[18:40] <fginther> the log file is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4675/consoleFull
[18:40] <fginther> the messages "testcase:566 - Appears process has already exited." indicates the process died before autopilot finished the test
[18:41] <timp> so qmlscene is missing?
[18:41] <timp> can be that it crashed immediately after starting?
[18:41] <fginther> it crashed: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4675/artifact/results/crash/_usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_qt5_bin_qmlscene.32011.crash
[18:41] <timp> I have to leave now unfortunately. it is late here.
[18:41] <fginther> timp, yes, it could have crashed first thing
[18:42] <fginther> timp, as I mentioned earlier, this bug is believed to cause these type of random crashes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1262982
[18:42] <fginther> but someone would need to trace the crash to confirm
[18:43] <fginther> timp, have a good night
[18:51] <ahayzen> timp, fginther, thanks for ur help so far guys
[19:45] <thomi> fginther: A while ago you forwarded me an email thread containing instructions to retrace crash files from the phone...
[19:45] <thomi> I'm trying to use those instructions to retrace crash files produced by the medium tests runner
[19:46] <thomi> but it seems the first step (apport-cli) needs to be run on the device
[19:46] <thomi> so... is there any way I can get a stack trace from the crash files here? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4675/
[19:51] <ahayzen> thomi, tht branch tht was failing just landed https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906 .. guess it was a random error then?
[19:55] <thomi> ahayzen: oh, ok, I'll stop looking into it then :)
[19:55] <thomi> but I think this is a pretty serious issue that we need to fix in general, even if we've landed that one branch
[19:55] <ahayzen> thomi, probably tht Mir bug?
[19:56] <ahayzen> thomi, meanwhile i didn't manage to get any further with the other issue i was having, with the MediaPlayer not appearing :/
[19:57] <thomi> ahayzen: I did start looking at it yesterday, but ran out of time. I should be able to get back to it today
[19:57] <ahayzen> thomi, cool thanks
[19:57] <ahayzen> thomi, is there a bug for it?
[19:58] <thomi> ahayzen: not AFAIK, feel free to file one against autopilot-qt
[19:58] <ahayzen> thomi, will, shall i link both the music-app and the simple example branches to it?
[20:02] <thomi> ahayzen: yes pelase
[20:03] <ahayzen> thomi, awesome...i'll ping u the bug number when done :)
[20:03] <thomi> thanks
[20:06] <jdstrand> lines 199 and 200 of the landing asks state that dbus and apparmor are in the landing plan, line 377. line 377 does not exist
[20:08] <jdstrand> I'll adjust
[20:09] <ahayzen> thomi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot-qt/+bug/1269578 ... think i've done it right
[20:09] <thomi> ahayzen: thanks
[20:12] <fginther> thomi, I need to that retrace added to the touch testing, but at the moment, you don't require it, correct?
[20:26] <thomi> fginther: sorry, took me a moment to parse that :)
[20:26] <thomi> fginther: today, the specific issue I was looking at has been fixed
[20:26] <thomi> fginther: but I imagine it'll come up again./.. and agian, and again :)
[20:27] <fginther> thomi, agreed (man I wish I had oodles of time)
[20:27] <thomi> heh, me too
[22:06] <cjwatson> timp: I don't know anything about the pieces involved in your CI failure earlier; I see it's Merged now so I guess you got it sorted out
[22:06] <dobey> do i need to ping someone to poke at approving a NEW package?
[22:06] <dobey> for the whole landing process thing
[22:09] <robru> dobey, are you talking about ubuntu-purchase-service? i thought didrocks was supposed to take care of that, but I think he forgot. in general we need an archive admin, but i worry that didrocks might be the only person who knows what to do
[22:10] <cjwatson> I know how to NEW things in general but I'm reluctant to touch something that I know didrocks was already in the process of reviewing
[22:11] <dobey> robru: i am
[22:12] <cjwatson> So it's more about not wanting to step on toes than about lack of knowledge
[22:12] <robru> cjwatson, well, didrocks already reviewed and approved it, but when I published it, it didn't get into -proposed. so whatever archive robot is responsible for taking daily_release publications and uploading them into -proposed, that piece of the puzzle is missing. do you know how to fix it? if so, please do, as didrocks already approved everything.
[22:12] <cjwatson> (That said, I have no real idea how the whole preNEW process works, but ubuntu-purchase-service is apparently past that)
[22:12] <cjwatson> robru: no, it's not a robot's job at this point
[22:12] <cjwatson> robru: it's awaiting *manual* review
[22:13] <dobey> right, didrocks reviewed a previous package and we fixed the issues and a new version is up
[22:13] <cjwatson> robru: it's 10pm here; if somebody hasn't done it by tomorrow morning then I'll look at it, but I'm not up for it now
[22:13] <robru> dobey, yeah, and then he saw my MR and said "great, publish that once it lands" which sounds like an approval to me
[22:13] <dobey> cjwatson: go rest :)
[22:14] <dobey> robru: right; but you're not an archive admin :)
[22:14] <robru> cjwatson, ha, ok.
[22:14] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=ubuntu-purchase-service <- here it is awaiting manual review
[22:14] <dobey> nor am i
[23:31] <timp> cjwatson: I don't know why the autolanding on that MR failed before, or why it passed now. It may be some random crash that is not fixed yet.
[23:31] <timp> cjwatson: I'll summarize it like this: I have no idea what's happening


[01:51] <xubuntu813> :poop:
[04:19] <xubuntu411> Good evening everyone.
[04:20] <xubuntu411> Is anyone willing to help me with an issue with a new xubuntu install?
[04:21] <holstein> xubuntu411: you'll have to ask, and find out if a volunteer is available
[04:22] <xubuntu411> Ask here or elsewhere?
[04:22] <holstein> xubuntu411: you just type it here..
[04:23] <xubuntu411> did what I type before not count?
[04:23] <xubuntu411> or was I muted/silenced before?
[04:23] <holstein> 23:20 < xubuntu411> Is anyone willing to help me with an issue with a new xubuntu install?
[04:23] <holstein> ^^ thats all i see.. no details
[04:25] <xubuntu411> ah, ok. Details. I am trying to get a live USB XUbuntu going. I burned a CD, but I have no network access with my wired connection. XUbuntu shows the connection is good, and the information shows everything correct. Wireless works fine. I have tried this on two different PCs, with different hardware, and get the same error.
[04:26] <xubuntu411> any help figuring this out would be appreciated.
[04:26] <xubuntu411> as I have never used linux before and have no idea what I am doing.
[04:27] <xubuntu411> Using my wireless connection, i was able to get the startup disk creator software downloaded, and made a usb bootable disk, and it suffers from the same issue.
[04:28] <holstein> you are trying to get a live usb going? if so, you dont need to burn a disc
[04:29] <holstein> you can use unetbootin, the usb creator, or dd copy... all of which is in the default repos, and unetbootin is available to windows
[04:29] <xubuntu411> I am. I was following an instruction guide which said to use a live disc to create it.
[04:29] <holstein> xubuntu411: no.. it says "use a live iso" to create it, i bet
[04:29] <holstein> xubuntu411: you dont need to use a live CD, a physical plastic disc to create a live USB
[04:30] <holstein> xubuntu411: you can use any of the tool i refernce above, as well as others.. pendrive linux or whatever
[04:31] <holstein> xubuntu411: could be the wired network device is not supporting linux
[04:32] <xubuntu411> ok, but that doesnt really change the issue I am having though. I have the live linux USB, but still no wired network access. status and information shows everything working ok, but can't ping out, cant ping the router. Router shows that the system is connected. Tried this on two different motherboards.
[04:32] <xubuntu411> Is there a compatibility chart I can check out to see if it is supported?
[04:33] <holstein> xubuntu411: then, i would assume its the networking setup.. if you cant make any networking device work
[04:33] <holstein> xubuntu411: i literaly just plug a cable from my router, and DHCP give it an address.. or i do static ip's
[04:34] <xubuntu411> yeah, that is what I was hoping to do too.
[04:34] <holstein> xubuntu411: you can always ask your manufacturer if they support linux, but the chances of you have 2 wired nic's that linux doesnt support out of the box is pretty slim
[04:34] <holstein> when you connect wirelessly, is that the same router? or access point?
[04:35] <xubuntu411> that is what I figured. and normally if they were not supported, it would say not connected or something similar, right?
[04:35] <xubuntu411> yeah, same router
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu411: still, i wouldnt worry about it too much at this point.. i would just make your live USB, and start using it.. keep in mind how long you likely use windows before connecting it to ethernet.. and just give yourself some time to learn
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu411: you can open a terminal and run "lspci" to try and see the NIC, and also "ifconfig" can tell you some helpful information
[04:42] <xubuntu411> Well, I kind of need the internet for this machine'
[04:42] <holstein> xubuntu411: sure.. and you have wireless.. and im sure you can get wired working.. what is the output of "ifconfig" ?
[04:43] <holstein> !paste
[04:44] <xubuntu411> can't give full information quickly as it is a different machine. but it shows eth0, with HWaddr, inet addr, bcast and mask
[04:44] <xubuntu411> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST   MTU:1500 Metric 1
[04:44] <xubuntu411> ashows packet information, 0 collitions.
[04:44] <xubuntu411> also has a lo interface with that information filled out as well
[04:45] <holstein> xubuntu411: that can help you see what is going on.. i would try replacing things.. try a different router if you have one laying around.. see if it gets an IP address.. try a different lan cable.. try the live USB on all the machines you have access to
[04:45] <holstein> xubuntu411: lo is "loopback".. not helpful for what you are doing
[04:46] <xubuntu411> Tested it on 2 different machines with 2 different cables. Neither the CD or the live USB had working ethernet.
[04:46] <holstein> xubuntu411: then, keep going.. i literally plug them in here, on nearly all my net cards and it just works
[04:47] <holstein> xubuntu411: i had one card that wasnt automatically supported, and i tossed it
[04:47] <holstein> xubuntu411: try a different router, if you have one..
[04:47] <holstein> they could be the same NIC that just doesnt support linux, but thats not likely
[04:48] <holstein> xubuntu411: share the output of lspci and ifconfig in a pastebin
[04:48] <xubuntu411> how do I take a screenshot in linux?
[04:48] <holstein> !screenshot
[04:49] <holstein> but, i would like to see a pastebin of the output, personally
[04:49] <holstein> then, i can copy and paste as well..
[04:49] <xubuntu411> k, 1 moment.
[04:54] <xubuntu411> http://imagebin.org/287444
[04:57] <xubuntu411> working on a text version
[04:58] <holstein> xubuntu411: thats a pci express card?
[05:00] <xubuntu411> PCI Express is 2 video cards. everything else is onboard.  text version ->  http://pastebin.com/wkkvQbDR
[05:00] <holstein> xubuntu411: you are getting an address.. <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:00] <holstein> xubuntu411: that is from the router
[05:00] <xubuntu411> yes
[05:00] <holstein> xubuntu411: can you ping the router?
[05:00] <xubuntu411> nope
[05:00] <holstein> xubuntu411: what is the output of "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"?
[05:00] <xubuntu411> it sits and waits until it his the timeout or is cancelled, with 0% returned
[05:01] <holstein> xubuntu411: you are connected to the router and getting that IP address from there
[05:01] <xubuntu411> yes
[05:01] <holstein> xubuntu411: do you have another router laying around?
[05:01] <xubuntu411> that is why I am so confused.
[05:01] <xubuntu411> unfortunately not
[05:02] <xubuntu411> <IP_ADDRESS> gets me destination host unreachable, but that is not my router ip
[05:02] <xubuntu411> my router ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:02] <xubuntu411> would that cause a problem in xubuntu?
[05:03] <holstein> xubuntu411: ?
[05:04] <holstein> xubuntu411: yes.. you'll need to ping the actual router.. try pinging *anything* on the network.. try pinging from another machine, and then from xubuntu
[05:04] <holstein> try pinging <IP_ADDRESS> from another box
[05:05] <xubuntu411> pinging that from my windows machine gets me ping replies, 100% returned
[05:06] <xubuntu411> pinging my windows machine from my ubuntu machine gets replies as well.
[05:06] <xubuntu411> but it cannot ping the router, or any outside website.
[05:07] <holstein> xubuntu411: but, you are on the network, so you can stop troubleshooting "my nic is broken in linux"
[05:07] <xubuntu411> trying to ping www.google.com gets me unknown host, pinging <IP_ADDRESS> gets me connect: Network is unreachable
[05:09] <holstein> xubuntu411: sure.. but the nic is working.. it can ping other boxes
[05:09] <xubuntu411> yes
[05:09] <xubuntu411> but not anything outside the network, or the router itself.
[05:09] <holstein> xubuntu411: so, you can stop troubleshooting that.. you can look at DNS.. or the router config.. or just relax until you get more comfortable
[05:15] <xubuntu411> route -n shows a gateway of <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:15] <xubuntu411> does that tell you anything?
[05:22] <xubuntu673> Thanks for the help holstein, but I think I'll have to go with another route on this one.
[11:17] <yamamotoai> anyone feel like helping a noob?
[11:18] <elfy> really depends on the question and whether anyone lurking can answer it - so the best thing is to just ask ;)
[11:19] <yamamotoai> okay, well i have xubuntu iso downloaded. I am on a laptop with windows 7 currently, and i want to put the iso on a USB drive and install it on my desktop (cannot access it until i get an OS on it.) Can anyone point me in the direction for installing the iso on the USB drive as if it were an installtion disk? I hope this gets through logically
[11:20] <elfy> yamamotoai: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Windows
[11:21] <elfy> personally I use unetbootin - (but I've not used it in windows)
[11:21] <yamamotoai> thanks. i see this before, but is that not just alive boot installion instruction? or is that one and the same?
[11:22] <elfy> burn the iso to the stick - boot from stick - then you install from there
[11:23] <yamamotoai> okay thanks very much for the help!
[11:23] <elfy> welcome
[11:36] <roosbeef> so i just upgraded to 13.10 on my laptop. All of a sudden power settings are totally messed up (imo) - when i close the lid it suspends (used to just keep running and lock screen), when pressing power button it immediately shuts down (used to ask) -- how do i restore this to old settings?
[11:45] <Ofloo> Hi, i've got a question, i've got multidisplay setup, with 12.04LTS works fine however i've got 2 tiny problems guess, when i boot the logon prompt isn't on the middle one it's on the first one, .. and for some reason when i enable Xinerama xfce4-panel crashes
[11:46] <Ofloo> does anyone know why that is
[11:46] <Ofloo> Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0"  something like that happens
[11:46] <Ofloo> the error i mean
[11:47] <Ofloo> however i've installed arand
[11:47] <Ofloo> however i've installed arandr
[11:49] <brainwash> roosbeef: see bug 1222021
[11:50] <brainwash> roosbeef: there is a PPA with a patched xfce4-power-manager available (comment #9)
[11:50] <brainwash> feel free to test it and report back, this will help to fix this issue
[11:51] <roosbeef> cool thanks brainwash
[11:53] <roosbeef> ok yea so changing HandleLidSwitch=ignore in logind.conf worked (had to remove the # too which i didnt before)
[11:54] <roosbeef> i havent installed the ppa, firstly because i prefer not to install repository-external packages, and secondly because in the comment it said another bug was introduced by that package..
[11:54] <Ofloo> this sucks where can i set the primary monitor cause wine goes to the left monitor as well
[11:55] <roosbeef> ok so i guess that logind was overriding the powersettings config, set lid and powerkey both to ignore in logind.conf and reset logind, works fine now :) thanks brainwash
[12:00] <mara> salve a tutti
[12:01] <mara> I can write in italian or english?
[12:04] <elfy> english please
[12:04] <mara> ok i will try
[12:04] <mara> so i just installed xubuntu on my compaq nx 7300
[12:05] <mara> but i can see that wifi it's not working
[12:05] <mara> you know why?
[12:51] <Ofloo> can anyone answer how i run "xrandr --output DFP6 --primary" at boot ? so it applies to all sessions
[12:51] <baizon> Ofloo: try arandr
[12:52] <Ofloo> that doesn't do what i want
[12:52] <Ofloo> everything works fine only one tiny thingy
[12:52] <Ofloo> i want my center montor to be primary
[12:52] <Ofloo> and it's using the left one as primary
[12:52] <Ofloo> so when is start wine with a game it falls back to the left monitor which is anoying
[12:53] <Ofloo> also when i get my logon screen it's on the left side
[12:53] <Ofloo> rather then the center
[12:53] <Ofloo> that i could live with
[12:53] <Sysi> Ofloo: add it to /etc/rc.local
[12:53] <Ofloo> thanks
[12:55]  * Ofloo boots and crosses his fingers
[12:56] <Ofloo> no that didn't do it
[12:58] <brainwash> add it to the startup applications (settings manager > session and startup)
[12:58] <brainwash> /etc/rc.local might get executed even before the X server is up and running
[13:01] <Ofloo> would it work if i put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[13:11] <Ofloo> i guess taht worked
[13:11] <Ofloo> however on my logon screen the logon thingy is still on the left
[13:11] <Ofloo> pff have to figur that out later i guess
[13:12] <Ofloo> maybe it doesn't depend on primary
[13:12] <Ofloo> have to look into that
[13:12] <gema_> hello, im installing xubuntu and as i was sugessted by the installation i clickek to joing the irc . Is still installing, do i have do do anything else after installation? do i have to install drivers and all that like in windows?
[13:13] <Ofloo> gema_: that depends i guess
[13:13] <Ofloo> on the hardware and on what version, ..
[13:13] <Ofloo> if the version supports your hardware then no
[13:13] <gema_> i choosed the options to downlad updates while installing and to download mp3
[13:13] <Ofloo> if it doesn't you might have to
[13:13] <gema_> mmm, i havent checked compatibility lists (if there is one)
[13:14] <gema_> and the installation havent told me that my computer is not compatible
[13:14] <Unit193> gema_: Just check Settings Manager > Additional Drivers  after, and see if it's good.
[13:14] <Ofloo> this is no different from windows i guess if on install the kernel/os supports your hardware then you'll be just fine
[13:14] <Ofloo> otherwise you'll have to install the drivers
[13:14] <gema_> oke, i will check the additional drivers after installation
[13:15] <gema_> is still installing from by usb
[13:16] <gema_> nevertheless, as i am online even during installation, i could guess i would be able to be online after running from harddisk, is that true? if not afeter reestarting if something goes wrong i dont have other computer to join the irc and ask
[13:19] <gema_> it seems i will going to need and aditional graphics drivers, the screen is doing strange things (color of closed windows stays there unless y move a window around the whole screen)...
[13:55] <lobo_> hi everyone
[13:56] <lobo_> Do you have any idea what this process is supposed to be?
[13:56] <lobo_> /usr/bin/X:0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 nolisten tcp vt7 novtswitch -background none
[13:56] <lobo_> it overloads my cpu
[14:51] <xubuntu774> hey all
[14:51] <xubuntu774> installing xubuntu as I type this. I've installed it several times yesterday and after the install the system doesn't boot. I'm not sure why.
[14:52] <xubuntu774> dell 1501 is the laptop
[15:12] <vampatori> Hi, I'm trying to install Xubuntu on a really old machine and I'm having problems.  I'm getting a blank screen when booting from the installation disc.  So I get the command line stuff, then the graphical boot comes up, then it goes blank.  I can get into the terminal (ALT + F1, etc.) and X doesn't seem to be running.  I run startx and it switches to it but blank, back on the console the last thing is "Loading extension GL
[15:12] <vampatori> Any ideas on how to proceed?
[15:15] <rocoro> hi, how do I get my monitor to stop turning off every 10 minutes..  I want this applied at startup.. the settings in screensaver do not work.. this is on 12.04
[15:21] <vampatori> rocoro - That sounds like a power management setting to me rather than a screensaver.  I don't have Xubuntu running in front of me though so maybe they're one and the same thing.
[15:22] <vampatori> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7215
[15:23] <rocoro> vampatori,  i've tried that already .. and does not work
[15:23] <rocoro> its like the file in xorg.conf.d directory doesn't get acknowledged
[15:23] <rocoro> or.. noblank isn't doing anything
[15:24] <rocoro> i'm trying this  xset s -dpms  for now..  maybe that will work?
[15:25] <vampatori> I'm not sure, without it in front of me I can't tinker.  Certainly worth a try.
[15:27] <rocoro> so far blanktime,   xset s off,  and noblank don't seem to do anything and it doesn't work with the file placed in xorg.conf.d either :(
[15:28] <vampatori> Are you restarting X between making these changes?  Might be worth a go.
[15:29] <rocoro> I reboot the whole machine,   sometimes it does seem to work and other times not
[15:30] <rocoro> or sometimes the monitor will shut off like maybe 3 times,  then it stops doing that and behaves with just black screen set at the time i have set in screensaver settings
[15:31] <rocoro> very strange
[15:31] <vampatori> Indeed.  Might have to try asking in the forums.
[16:56] <Ofloo> hmm, .. why is it if i configure dhcp for eth0 in /etc/networking/interfaces that the icon isn't working proper anymore
[17:04] <drc> Running 13.10, <I> don't have a "/etc/networking/interfaces".  I have a "/etc/network/interfaces".
[17:06] <cub> drc, I think it's /etc/network/interfaces in 12.04 too
[17:13] <sebokie> hello
[17:13] <sebokie> how can I get xubuntu to automount dvd's?
[17:15] <drc> Menu>Settings Manager>Removable Drives>Storage & Multimedia has some config options.  I'd start there.
[17:16] <sebokie> yes I saw it but it doesn't work
[17:21] <drc> Is this just a problem with DVD's?  Do CD's and/or USB sticks automount?
[17:24] <xubuntu854> Hi Just wrote 1310 to DVD.  What next?
[17:24] <drc> xubuntu854: reboot from DVS and install.
[17:25] <drc> sebokie: and by automount, do you mean just automount (shows up in thunar) or do you automount and play in $MEDIAPLAYER ?
[17:26] <xubuntu854> Sorry, but need it even simple. How do I reboot?
[17:26] <drc> s/DVS/DVD
[17:27] <drc> xubuntu854:   Easiest way, turn the computer off and then back on, making sure you tell it to boot brom the DVD, not the hdd.
[17:27] <xubuntu854> ta muchly.  Will try.
[17:27] <drc> enjoy
[18:24] <Ofloo> sorry for the late answer it is network for me as well, .. typo
[18:24] <Ofloo> couldn't answer was playing starcraft 2 and due to wine i was locked to the game
[18:40] <sebokie> drc, yes I only meant automount the dvd
[18:40] <sebokie> it seems thunar is not able to do it
[18:40] <sebokie> so I unchecked the volume manager in thunar and installed udevil
[18:40] <sebokie> and now everything mounts automatically
[19:04] <monkeynaut> when i reboot my machine, sometimes my wireless mouse doesn't work correctly.   it is recognized and the cursor moves, but it moves extremely laggy, like a centimeter per second.  rebooting usually corrects it, sometimes i have to reboot twice.   the whole time my built in stick mouse on my laptop works fine.  this has happened on multiple distros.   it also happens on two different devices (two different logitech m570 wireless trackballs
[19:05] <monkeynaut> is there a way to restart just the USB services without rebooting the machine?
[19:07] <flux242> monkeynaut: yes you can disable and enable a usb device using a simple script
[19:07] <monkeynaut> flux242: is it sudo restart udev?
[19:08] <flux242> monkeynaut: no, wait a sec
[19:08] <monkeynaut> k
[19:09] <flux242> monkeynaut: the keyword to google is bind/unbind usb. The first arcticle I've found http://lwn.net/Articles/143397/
[19:10] <monkeynaut> thanks, i'm having the problem right now so i'll give it a shot
[19:14] <flux242> monkeynaut: the tricky part is to find the device path when it is unbound. I've written a script for that very long time ago
[20:18] <Uszasty> Hi. Is there any command to some kind of reboot monitor? Something like when I'm suspending computer?
[20:19] <TheSheep> xfce4-session-logout
[20:20] <TheSheep> try it with --help
[20:20] <ROPA> How do I change permissions on a cd-rw?? The sudo chmod command fails, and gives the error that it is a read only disk. The disk was previously used in a windows machine years ago. Do I need to reformat the cd?? I'm stuck.
[20:27] <TheSheep> ROPA: you can't, it's read-only
[20:29] <Sysi> use xfburn
[20:32] <Uszasty> I have very specific question, I don't know if this can be repaired within system, or it's something hardware-related
[20:34] <Uszasty> I have very old laptop, which seems to have broken trigger in that part where screen is(I dont know how to spell it in english, sorry :P)
[20:35] <Uszasty> And it's randomly turning blacklight on and off
[20:35] <Uszasty> backlight*
[20:35] <Uszasty> And only solution that i found by far is suspending or shutting down system
[20:37] <Uszasty> And I'm just wondering if backlight in notebooks is controlled from hardware or from system
[20:43] <ROPA> TheSheep but it's a rewritable disk!!!! How come I can't write to it????
[20:44] <Sysi> ROPA: first make it blank with xfburn
[20:44] <ROPA> Sysi I tried xfburn, but it doesn't allow me to blank the disk. Should I be trying to do something else??
[20:45] <Sysi> not AFAIK
[20:45] <Sysi> are you sure the disc is still good and you have rw and not rom optical drive?
[20:46] <Myrtti> I've never succeeded with a -rw disk
[20:47] <Sysi> I actually have, but I might have used k3b
[20:47] <Sysi> it was years ago
[20:48] <ROPA> Sysi The drive is a modern drive that does everything. One of the logo's on the front of it says 'rw'. I have a whole stack of these disks and I can read from them, so they are likely not defective.....
[20:51] <Sysi> ROPA: do you get some error if you start xfburn from terminal?
[20:53] <ROPA> Here's what it says if I start xfburn........
[20:53] <ROPA> Possibly the disc(s) are in use, and cannot get accessed.
[20:53] <ROPA> Please unmount and restart the application.
[20:53] <ROPA> If no disc is in the drive, check that you have read and write access to the drive with the current user.
[20:53] <ROPA> then, xf burn will not start.
[20:56] <ROPA> I'll try it in my laptop and see if it fails there too.
[20:56] <ROPA> I do get the same error if I start it from terminal.
[21:03] <ROPA> thanks to all for the guidance-not sure what's going on though. Permissions say it's read only, but the sudo chmod command doesn't do anything (although it appears to run without errors).
[23:21] <gema1> hello, i dediced to replace my windows os with xubuntu, everything works very good but i cant play my facebook flash games. I have being googling and it looks like in linux flash is to slow. Still we dont have a solution to play flash games on linux? i dont want to go back to windows just because i cant play those games.
[23:22] <gema1> or do we hace a flash alternative that will improve perfomance in flash games?
[23:23] <gema1> have*
[23:24] <Unit193> gema1: Howdy again.  What version do you have?
[23:25] <gema1> i instaled and upgraded LTS
[23:25] <Unit193> Well, what version of flash?
[23:25] <gema1> lets me chech flash player version in a youtube video
[23:25] <Unit193> Package?
[23:26] <gema1> <IP_ADDRESS>5
[23:27] <brainwash> you should consider installing google chrome, it includes the latest flash version
[23:28] <Unit193> (Or pull flash from that and use it in chromium. :P )
[23:29] <gema1> so i should uninstall my flash package from the ubuntu software center and then install chromium or chrome? that would improve flash performance in my xubuntu?
[23:29] <brainwash> worth a try
[23:30] <drc> gema1: I have heard/read that turning off "hardware accelerstion" in Flash can speed it up.  No promises :)
[23:30] <gema1> ok, im going to try
[23:30] <brainwash> drc: in flash games
[23:30] <brainwash> ?
[23:31] <gema1> yes im just worring about flash games, videos play ok (but overheat my laptop) but games are so slow i cant even play them
[23:31] <drc> dunno, just something I've read. I mentioned it 'cause it'll only take 30 seconds to try.
[23:32] <gema1> i going to unistall flash and install chrome or chromium and check
[23:33] <brainwash> chrome might improve the situation, because (1) chrome is more responsive in general and (2) flash player version 12.x comes with some performance improvements compared to the old version 11.2
[23:36] <brainwash> gema1: chromium does not ship or use the new flash version out of the box, only chrome does
[23:37] <gema1> but chrome is not on the repositories
[23:37] <gema1> i just intalled chromium and i was going to try
[23:37] <gema1> should i go to Chrome web page?
[23:41] <gema1> buf, right, with chromium i cant even watch movies (i unisntalled flash before installing chromium) so it says i have to install flash (the same version i had), by the way, im my windows, uninstalling flash i could play the videos of youtube in html5 without flash, why i cant with chromium?
[23:43] <gema1> firefox does play the videos in html5 :) love firefox
[23:43] <gema1> so chromium is not the path
[23:43] <gema1> i will try chrome
[23:56] <gema1> perfect, with chrome i have latest Flash Version and seems much faster on video playing, i will check facebook games now
[23:58] <xubuntu523> i got a problem, i just installed xubuntu to my computer, i'm dual booting it, but i don't get the grub, instead i just get the default windows boot options screen, what do i do?