[00:02] <chippanfat> yeahh xD
[00:02] <chippanfat> or mabye two :p
[00:02] <ianto> markjones: http://www.lleol.net/swyddi/detail.php?id=275 Might be of interest to you
[00:03] <ianto> chippanfat: If you get pulled over, you seriously must of urgency unload the gun otherwise you will be arrested ;)
[00:03] <ianto> You can't have any pellets in the ring-loader or gas loaded in the CO2 canister
[00:03] <ianto> Otherwise it's legal to have
[00:04] <chippanfat> i love how you know this infomation :p
[00:04] <ianto> Neath Gun Shop tells me everything :)
[00:05] <Kaia> ianto: you spend too much time there obv
[00:05] <ianto> Kaia: Helps to cull the vermin
[00:05] <ianto> (/joke)
[00:09] <Kaia> :P
[00:09] <Kaia> your from neath mate, your the vermin :P
[00:09] <Kaia> the rats are huge there!
[00:09] <Kaia> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs766.ash1/165721_10150145385888646_776108645_7825579_3726837_n.jpg
[00:09] <Kaia> see!
[00:10] <ianto> :D
[00:11] <ianto> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1935017 -- Hoy Christ... :p
[00:12] <ianto> My old gun :D http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs128.snc3/17533_1305551991836_1021601352_30956046_1373376_n.jpg
[00:14] <markjones> ianto, i'm not living in Wales :(
[00:14] <ianto> markjones: You can move ;)
[00:14] <markjones> ianto, no, I can't
[00:19] <ianto> :(
[00:20] <Ambrina> wales is so much better than england tho
[00:24] <Kaia> trufax
[00:31] <markjones> ianto, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Certified_Professional
[00:31] <ianto> Waste of money ;)
[00:32] <markjones> how can you say that?
[00:32] <ianto> 'tis ;)
[00:32]  * ianto is bored so he's on ChatRoulette
[00:33] <markjones> is Ambrina on too?
[00:33] <ianto> Doubt it
[00:33] <ianto> Noone wants to talk to me :(
[00:33] <Ambrina> omg
[00:33] <ianto> Maybe I am too bearded
[00:33] <Ambrina> awwww they think you are terrorist
[00:35] <ianto> http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1843/chatroulettee.png
[00:36] <ianto> My shoulders look real awkward there
[00:36] <markjones> you look like a hobo
[00:37] <ianto> Diolch :)
[00:37] <Ambrina> you are listening to do it like a dude
[00:37] <ianto> It's a pile of sbwriel ;)
[00:37] <chippanfat> i wish i had that beard :P
[00:38] <ianto> Notice my mario poster?
[00:38] <Ambrina> markjones: dont be mean to him
[00:38] <markjones> Ambrina, i was merely stating the obvious, dear
[00:38] <Ambrina> he looks cute <3
[00:39] <markjones> whatever
[00:40] <Ambrina> ianto: im looking for you
[00:40] <ianto> rofl
[00:40] <ianto> Not many naked people tonight
[00:45] <ianto> Everyone is either naked or flicks past me, oh the rejection ;(
[00:45] <markjones> it proves my point above:
[00:45] <markjones> you look like a hobo
[00:46] <ianto> now I got some randomer dancing :p
[00:46] <Ambrina> ive given up i saw too many willies
[00:47] <ianto> Damn I've seen this black guy in a hat liek 10 times now
[00:49] <Kaia> he likes you
[00:58] <Ambrina> i was getting funny looks while eating my carrots
[00:58] <ianto> Rofl really?
[00:58] <Kaia> haha
[00:59] <Ambrina> yeh
[00:59] <Ambrina> i like carrots
[01:00] <Kaia> weirdo :P
[01:01] <Ambrina> they are part of my raw diet
[01:01] <ianto> Oh God there was a pair of 12 year old on the other end :(
[01:02] <Ambrina> what were you doing
[01:02] <Ambrina> ???
[01:02] <ianto> Nothing bad :p
[01:02] <Ambrina> i hope not
[01:04] <Kaia> what were they doing?
[01:04] <ianto> Just being goofy
[01:04] <markjones> I'm not looking forward to tomorrow, Natalie wants me to remove Ubuntu and install Windows 7 on her eee904
[01:04] <Kaia> :O
[01:04] <markjones> it'll kill it
[01:05] <markjones> since I got the machine it's ran Ubuntu
[01:09] <Ambrina> markjones: you have to do whateveer she wants
[01:09] <ianto> I'd never listen to her
[01:09] <Ambrina> she is your future wife
[01:09] <Kaia> haha
[01:10] <markjones> that is true
[01:10] <Kaia> mark got engaged? congrats
[01:10] <markjones> the fact I have to spend £20 on a USB pendrive (which I'm not sure I can format in OS X)
[01:11] <markjones> Kaia, I'm not engaged per - se
[01:11] <Ambrina> £20 for what memory?
[01:11] <markjones> 8GB
[01:12] <markjones> Windows requires at least 4gb
[01:12] <Ambrina> fliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipin eck that was pricey
[01:12] <Kaia> what do you mean per se?
[01:12] <markjones> I've not got it yet, ambwe
[01:12] <markjones> *amber
[01:13] <markjones> Kaia, well, Natalie and I act like a married couple
[01:15] <Kaia> that doesn't mean your engaged :s
[01:23] <markjones> Ambrina, did he fall asleep?
[01:24] <Ambrina> he is restartig
[01:24] <Ambrina> *restarting
[01:25] <markjones> 3 minute resart?
[01:25] <markjones> impressive
[01:25] <ianto> I went to the toilet when it prompted me for my fingerprint
[01:25] <ianto> would've been less had I stayed
[01:27] <Ambrina> A year on friday
[01:29] <markjones> congrats
[01:30] <ianto> So she says
[01:30] <Ambrina> thnx i dont know how he has put up with me for so long
[01:30] <Ambrina> what do you mean so she says?
[01:30] <ianto> You know what I mean
[01:31] <Ambrina> shhh
[11:04] <ianto> Anyone seen the new /. ?
[13:43] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:47] <ianto> P'nawn da
[13:47] <brobostigon> afternoonings ianto
[13:48]  * ianto is converting his CV into Welsh
[13:48] <brobostigon> :)
[13:49] <ianto> It's so tedious :p
[15:12] <AlanBell> markjones: ianto: o/
[15:13] <AlanBell> can one of you PM me a posting address so I can send you a bit of swag first class tomorrow
[15:13] <ianto> markjones:  I'll do it
[15:13] <ianto> AlanBell: Thanks for the offer
[15:13] <AlanBell> some sticker sheets, conference ID lanyards
[15:13] <AlanBell> few badges
[15:17] <AlanBell> some other stuff arrived today, heavier stuff suitable for prizes and things, haven't decided how to best use that yet
[15:17] <AlanBell> but if there are events that you are running/attending then do ask for stuff
[15:17] <AlanBell> we should have a tablecloth, a banner and a load of CDs but I don't have them yet
[15:20] <ianto> I really should prep some USB drives for the conference
[15:30] <Kaia> ianto: write me a cv :P
[15:31] <ianto> Kaia: You're as bad as my sister
[15:31] <ianto> She's always demanding me to write one for her
[15:31] <Kaia> ianto: lol, my cv isn't as good as the one i wrote for my aunt
[15:32] <ianto> Mine's alright I think
[15:33]  * ianto is enjoying Golyg :p
[15:34] <ianto> Kaia: I wrote mine in LaTeX, what a waste of time ;)
[15:34] <Kaia> ianto: I used an open office template for my aunts and then pdf
[18:21] <ianto> markjones: Ping
[18:29] <markjones> hiya pobol
[18:29] <brobostigon> noswaith dda all.
[18:31] <ianto> markjones: Should we do some more work on that ppt?
[18:31] <ianto> I put an SS of the Welsh Firefox on the Welsh Google page
[18:31] <ianto> slide 10
[18:32] <ianto> Slide 9 is playing up with me, the mynd gets cut off by the image so all I see is "my"
[18:32]  * brobostigon gets everyone a welsh whiseky.
[18:32] <brobostigon> whiskey*
[18:32] <ianto> Chwarae teg
[18:33] <brobostigon> ianto: cheers, thankyou?
[18:35] <brobostigon> ianto: could you please translate.
[18:35] <ianto> "Fair play"
[18:35] <brobostigon> ah,
[18:36] <brobostigon> ianto: i am not sure how that makes sense from my offer of a drink for everyone,
[18:37] <ianto> Must be a colloquial thing
[18:37] <markjones> Bye Bye Wrexham, Shropshire & Marylebone Railway :(
[18:38] <brobostigon> ianto: you maybe right, yes.i was expecting a cheers.:)
[18:43] <ianto> markjones: Did you read AlanBell's offer from earlier?
[18:44] <brobostigon> ianto: that reminds me, can i be of any more help with that presentation.?
[18:47] <ianto> brobostigon: I'm thinking that the presentation at the moment is lacking a "why use Ubuntu" before we even get to the translation part, perhaps you could think of some stuff for Welsh technological people to use Ubuntu
[18:47] <markjones> ianto, not seen it. no
[18:47] <ianto> markjones: Read up a bit then ;)
[18:47] <markjones> it's not been logged
[18:48] <brobostigon> ianto: ok,let me think, iam sure i will think somethings.
[18:48] <ianto> markjones: http://pastebin.com/K7qbGhSg
[18:49] <markjones> ta ianto
[18:51] <brobostigon> ianto: maybe start with its floss-ness, and how indepth you can study the workings.?
[18:51] <ianto> brobostigon: We've got a lot of time, an hour to explain stuff but at the same time I don't want to go in depth to confuse or bore them
[18:51] <ianto> *too in depth
[18:52] <brobostigon> ianto: ah, true, yes.
[18:53] <brobostigon> ianto: ok, let melook how farwe are, is it still on google docs ?
[18:54] <ianto> brobostigon: https://docs.google.com/a/ubuntu-cym.org/present/edit?id=0AWFS_gYmWbNaZGNodjY3cWpfN2djZHBiZ2Rt&hl=en
[18:54] <ianto> brobostigon: You won't have access but if you try and request it I'll get an email to give you access
[18:55] <brobostigon> ianto: it is giving me a server error when i request access.
[18:56] <ianto> What Google account are you using again?
[18:56] <brobostigon> ianto<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mainly,
[18:57] <ianto> You should now have access then
[18:57] <brobostigon> ok, let me try.
[19:01] <brobostigon> interesting beard, ianto .
[19:01] <ianto> Thanks ;)
[19:02] <brobostigon> :)
[19:03] <brobostigon> ianto: can i do some translation on that document, without killing it?
[19:03] <ianto> brobostigon: Perhaps chuck any changes in the "Speakers Notes" of the page
[19:04] <brobostigon> ianto: my problem is understanding some of the welsh.
[19:05] <ianto> brobostigon: Just ask me if you have trouble with it; also for the moment all speakers notes are in English so that should be easier for you
[19:06] <brobostigon> ianto: ok, thank you. and it is mixed english and welsh on some of the slides.
[19:06] <markjones> that'll be my fault
[19:07]  * ianto always blames markjones ;)
[19:08] <markjones> oi
[19:08] <ianto> :D
[19:08] <brobostigon> inthe speaker notes on slide 3, its describes "free", can me make a differentiation between cost free and philosophical free. maybe.
[19:09] <ianto> In Welsh we have different words for free and free but we should mention them both
[19:09] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:10] <brobostigon> because in reality ubuntu does contain some closed bits, so please be clear.
[19:11] <brobostigon> like wifi adaptor firmware blobs.
[19:16] <brobostigon> but thats maybe extreme, to explain.
[19:36] <markjones> the 'free' I used was in comparison the the
[19:36] <markjones> *to the licenses you pay for Apple and windows software
[19:36] <brobostigon> ?
[19:37] <brobostigon> ah, i see.ok.
[19:39] <brobostigon> markjones: however i think the philosohpical(floss) and otherwise needs tobe touched on, as it is somewhat fundemental.
[19:39] <markjones> yup
[19:39] <brobostigon> :)
[20:54] <markjones> ianto / brobostigon : want any help with the presentation?
[20:58] <ianto> markjones: ok
[21:05] <markjones> I see that there's been little change...
[21:09]  * ianto was distracted by Alys
[21:09] <markjones> Alys?
[21:10] <ianto> New series on S4C
[21:10] <ianto> Got it from Golyg
[21:10] <ianto> btw you seen Ar y Tracs 2 yet?
[21:10] <ianto> Apparently it was aired around New Years
[21:11] <ianto> Ar y Tracs - Y Trên i'r Gêm
[21:11]  * ianto is writing the why translate section now
[21:13] <markjones> ciilio
[21:14] <brobostigon> markjones: i cant really think of much else, to your question earlier, to be honest.
[21:14] <markjones> I'll grab some stuff off golyg in a bit
[21:14] <ianto> I can seed Alys if ya want
[21:21] <AlanBell> how many people going to this hack the language thing?
[21:21] <markjones> about 30
[21:21] <AlanBell> ok, and how many loco people?
[21:21] <markjones> 3 or 4
[21:21]  * brobostigon is surprised to see AlanBell.
[21:22] <markjones> AlanBell, which part of the UK are you residing in?
[21:22] <AlanBell> surrey
[21:23] <ianto> markjones: IT looks like Amber is probably going btw
[21:23] <markjones> by bws?
[21:23] <ianto> Yeah
[21:23] <ianto> If she can work it out properly
[21:23] <markjones> AlanBell, ah, so long way to go around to mid wales from Sheffield
[21:25] <AlanBell> ok, 4 aubergine lanyards, 4 pin badges, 5 sheets of 12 assorted stickers
[21:26]  * ianto used to have an aubergine lanyard but it got lost with his USB drive
[21:26] <AlanBell> these are new
[21:26] <AlanBell> not seen this design before
[21:27] <ianto> Not available in the shop then?
[21:27] <AlanBell> actually they are
[21:27] <AlanBell> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=722
[21:27] <ianto> Yeah that's the one I had
[21:27] <ianto> I think that I also spilt ink on it once too
[21:28] <ianto> markjones: Right so when we have the screen/project/whatever, how's this going down?
[21:28] <AlanBell> luckily they don't send these in the goodie bag -> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=776
[21:28] <ianto> markjones: Or are we just focusing on the ppt first
[21:28] <ianto> Heh God
[21:28] <ianto> I don't think that they sell well
[21:28] <ianto> Ouch £73!
[21:29] <AlanBell> "Due to popular demand. . ."
[21:29] <markjones> ianto, i'll run through it with you Friday night
[21:29] <ianto> Heh getting it prepped the night before eh? :)
[21:30] <markjones> yup
[21:30] <markjones> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=783
[21:30] <markjones> i wantone of those for my birthday
[21:30] <markjones> (mrch 14th btw)
[21:30] <ianto> You do cycling?
[21:31] <ianto> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=767 = better and half the price
[21:32] <markjones> no, but I like sports clothes
[21:34] <ianto> markjones: How much does the X32 cost?
[21:35] <markjones> Fiver i think
[21:35] <markjones> (for a single)
[21:41] <Ambrina> markjones: where is bangor bus station?
[21:41] <brobostigon> noswaith dda Ambrina :)
[21:41] <Ambrina> hellooooo
[21:43]  * brobostigon gets a customery drink.
[21:43] <brobostigon> Ambrina*
[21:44] <Ambrina> diolch
[21:44]  * brobostigon gets Ambrina a welsh whiskey
[23:10] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.


[18:33] <YoBoY> Hi
[18:34] <YoBoY> I need the unity launcher icon in svg, someone can help me with that ?


[17:58] <blackflow> eeos: ah, I see.
[17:59] <eeos> blackflow: I have already everything working for the mobile broadband .....
[17:59] <cluelessperson> eeos: Long story short, phone companies are assholes and make it hard to do proper calls from computers.      It's easiest to setup the LTE DATA, then make software calls.
[17:59] <blackflow> well anyway, I'd got for that solution one way or another. use the phone regularly and export the mobile broadband through its wifi hotspot service
[17:59] <blackflow> in fact, thats what I do
[18:00] <eeos> cluelessperson: I am not sue what do you mean ....
[18:00] <cluelessperson>  eeos: which part?  be specific
[18:00] <cluelessperson> I have to spend time typing this shit out, I'm not going to play guessing games with you
[18:01] <muhaha> Does exists something like compat-openssl10 in ubuntu 18.04 ? Seems there is a problem with dotnet and libssl, which needs 1.0
[18:01] <eeos> cluelessperson: very simple: how do I make phone calls from the laptop over the SIM card.
[18:01] <eeos> cluelessperson: no data, this is already sorted. Just phone calls.
[18:03] <cluelessperson> eeos: I've explained it like three times now.   Phone companies are assholes and they purposely make it difficult to make calls from computers.
[18:03] <cluelessperson> eeos: The reliable solution is to use LTE DATA for software calling.
[18:03] <cluelessperson> eeos: You might try some random software and see how it works for you though, matter of googling
[18:04] <eeos> cluelessperson: apologies, but I do not care how difficult it is. How do I do it? I do not find any documentation.
[18:04] <mystic> skype is pretty good value eeos
[18:04] <cluelessperson> eeos: documentation for what?
[18:04] <cluelessperson> skype is malware
[18:04] <eeos> cluelessperson: I do not know what LTE DATA  .....
[18:04] <mystic> lol
[18:05] <mystic> how is skype malware
[18:05] <cluelessperson> eeos: LTE is the connection method, you get a laptop with a simcard reader/card.   Ubuntu will probably just see the network card and connect to internet.
[18:05] <cluelessperson> mystic: it's owned by microsoft for one.
[18:06] <mystic> they arent the devil incarnate u know.  they may have access t ostuff a bit, but they also make useful stuff.  why do u need 100% privacy all the tiem anyway. its not like theyd arrest your for chatting normally ?
[18:07] <cluelessperson> mystic:    1. Owned and run by Microsoft  2. It's adware.  3. It often comes installed on computers without permission, which makes it bloatware.  4. It introduces security attack vectors to your computer, which makes it dangerous
[18:07] <cluelessperson> Altogether == Malware
[18:07] <myghty> hi there
[18:07] <cluelessperson> stop apologizing for microsoft
[18:07] <cluelessperson> myghty: sup
[18:07] <myghty> just a question, maybe someone knows how to help
[18:07] <mystic> im not.  im just not a microsot hater either
[18:07] <eeos> cluelessperson: apologies, but this is not what happens. I have explained several times: the sim card works, and it is configured.
[18:07] <cluelessperson> mystic: that's because you're naive and institutionalized.
[18:07] <myghty> I am trying to kill a remote process via ssh, having its pid in a pid file
[18:07] <explodes> Found why my wifi stopped working: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1757008
[18:07] <Richard_Cavell> Anyone have an opinion on kernel 4.15?  It won't boot on my machine.      :P
[18:23] <DeathTickle1> I'm looking for a library that would be a straight play_mp3_file(filename) in C/C++ with dependencies on libavcodec and alsa
[18:25] <cluelessperson> DeathTickle1: a library? for what language?
[18:25] <cluelessperson> assuming C/C++, uncertain
[18:25] <DeathTickle1> C/C++ yes
[18:26] <cluelessperson> DeathTickle1: I'd suggest taking a look at the basic,  aplay and arecord commands and see what htey use?
[18:26] <cluelessperson> they're used with alsa/
[18:26] <DeathTickle1> aplay plays basic PCM sound data
[18:28] <DeathTickle1> I would like to use the decoding facilities of libavcodec with a simpler API
[18:28] <mystic> any reason my wine installation wont launch?
[18:28] <cluelessperson> mystic: errors?
[18:29] <cluelessperson> tail -f /var/log/syslog  and whatever other logs wine puts out
[18:29] <mystic> i dont want your help
[18:29] <cluelessperson> you might try starting it from terminal as well, perhaps with a --verbose option   (--help)
[18:30] <coconut_> Thank you for that!
[18:33] <mystic> why was a kicked when i was the one insulted?  wat a bunch of snobs you people are
[18:34] <mystic> if u wanna know how to treat newcomers, go to the puppylinux chat room
[18:34] <mystic> they are actually nice guys
[18:34] <phunyguy> mystic: you got kicked because you keep going.  Want to make it a ban?
[18:34] <blackflow> mystic: because you were the first to continue aggroing. and you're still doing it. just calm down and let's keep the support machinery rolling ;)
[18:34] <mystic> dont threaten mee asshat
[18:35] <coconut_> mystic: i do not want to feel you bad, but you chat, are offtopic and make questions by questions. This is a support channel, leave please!
[18:35] <phunyguy> they are gone.
[18:35] <phunyguy> back to work!  ☺
[18:46] <ste> hi i'm using qemu for pci passthrough and all is well. after I add spinlocks to the configuration, windows doesn't boot properly and the vm appears to hang. I'm trying to get the best performance out of the vm and apparently that's something that needs setting up - does anyone have any info on why I would need that setting and why changing literally only that setting causes boot issues?
[18:58] <grorco> Hey guys does anyone know of a way I can capture my full key input while editing text?
[18:59] <grorco> like when I'm done I want to have an edited file, and a file with any error's/ mistakes I've made along the way
[18:59] <ckyle22> Can anyone tell me why my NFS mount works fine with a mount command but won't automount when I edit my /etc/fstab file?
[19:00] <ckyle22> <NAS IP>:/volume1/Media /mnt/Media nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,_netdev 0 0 is what I have in there, but it doesn't automount
[19:00] <ckyle22> mount <NAS IP>:/volume1/Media /mnt/Media works though
[19:04] <_KaszpiR_> ckyle22 switch to autofs
[19:05] <ckyle22> _KaszpiR_, sorry I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to editing fstab, I was following a guide so how would I switch to autofs? Like what do I change?
[19:06] <_KaszpiR_> it's a package
[19:06] <_KaszpiR_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[19:06] <RandomGu2OnIrc> I just installed the newest ubuntu on another computer. A screensaver came up, and I can't get back to log into anything. How do I make the screen saver go away and unlock the machine?
[19:07] <ckyle22> _KaszpiR_ just installed it, do i have to change anything in fstab? like do I change nfs to autofs?
[19:08] <ckyle22> Oh I see what you mean, don't use fstab at all.
[19:09] <_KaszpiR_> ckyle22 you should move lines from fstab to autofs config
[19:09] <ckyle22> I will try that
[19:10] <_KaszpiR_> in the url I gave there is point 4 which explains how to use autofs with nfs mount
[19:11] <jhutchins> ckyle22: Try trimming back the options you're specifying.  Look at /var/log/syslog and dmesg, see what the system thinks is happening to that mount.
[19:14] <MagePsycho_> Hello
[19:14] <ckyle22> And I'm assuming I can check this with a df command when I'm done?
[19:15] <MagePsycho_> How to create parent directory if not exists and create symlink? for example: ln -s /src/directory /A/B/link -> where B folder doesn’t exist
[19:15] <louiemat> does anyone use kde connect?
[19:16] <Mr> hi all, is any available to answer a couple of technical questions?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> louiemat, yes, what's your issue?
[19:16] <_KaszpiR_> Mr just ask and wait
[19:16] <jhutchins> louiemat: No, kde is a desktop environment, it doesn't connect to things.
[19:17] <Mr> ok - i am having an issue with my vps where it doesn't load the kernel after a reboot... in grub ls / shows that vmlinuz exists but i can't find it
[19:17] <louiemat> ok that answered my questio, thanks
[19:18] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, kdeconnect is kde app that connects to android phones over LAN
[19:18] <BluesKaj> louiemat, read above
[19:19] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: I need to read more carefully.
[19:19] <Mr> when i type ls /vmlinuz i am unable to locate it
[19:20] <ckyle22> _KaszpiR_ autofs worked perfectly!
[19:20] <louiemat> does anyone like Abi word ?
[19:20] <louiemat> I find it great
[19:21] <ckyle22> I don't understand this bit: "But remember that you need to access a directory before it is auto-mounted.", does that mean I have to cd to that directory every time, or that anything that tries will "just work"
[19:22] <_KaszpiR_> ckyle22 it should work without any special steps
[19:22] <_KaszpiR_> if it is not mounted then it may take a while to show up - to initiate connection
[19:23] <ckyle22> That's fantastic.
[19:23] <_KaszpiR_> looks into autofs 'ghost' option
[19:23] <ArtMia> join #yoa
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> That was the most unintuitive screen ulock ever. I had to drag it up, to get the login prompt
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> I thought the machine was hung
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> I rebooted
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> then accidentally locked it again when trying to disable the lock screen
[19:29] <AssociateX> Holas todas aqui!!!
[19:30] <AssociateX> How do I remove my password for DM login but still have it for sudo?
[19:30] <p0a> Hello
[19:31] <p0a> I just installed `pinta' using apt-get but now I have a lot of root certs installed; 148 in particular
[19:31] <p0a> how can I undo the whole action removing the certs & pinta?
[19:33] <tsmasterX> p0a, apt --purge autoremove ? or
[19:34] <p0a> tsmasterX: so first remove pinta and then run that?
[19:34] <p0a> thanks! I didn't realize
[19:35] <tsmasterX> p0a, ok np :) this is just how i get rid of software
[19:35] <tsmasterX> with apt-get --purge autoremove packagename
[19:35] <p0a> tsmasterX: it says "0 removed"
[19:35] <p0a> so that the new ca certs were not removed
[19:36] <tsmasterX> p0a, idk then, lets someone else say how to do it
[19:37] <ioria> pinta installs ca-certificates-mono ,if it's that that bothers you, it will be removed with autoremove
[19:41] <p0a> ioria: /etc/mono with all the certs stayed
[19:41] <p0a> and it seems apt did not update the deleted certs, so they stayed
[19:42] <ioria> p0a, sudo apt purge pinta
[19:42] <p0a> ioria: that only removes pinta
[19:43] <ioria> p0a, did you run it ?
[19:43] <p0a> yes
[19:43] <ioria> p0a, sudo apt autoremove
[19:44] <p0a> ioria: updating certs in /etc/ssl/certs: 0 added, 0 removed;
[19:45] <p0a> ioria: I think I'll just manualy delete all certs in /etc/ssl/certs that were created today
[19:45] <ioria> p0a, dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-mono
[19:45] <p0a> ioria: empty
[19:46] <ioria> p0a, autoremove is autoremove not autopurge
[19:46] <ioria> p0a, you need it to purge it manually
[19:47] <p0a> ioria: what do you mean?
[19:47] <ioria> p0a, ca-certificates-mono is not purged is just removed
[19:47] <tsmasterX> p0a, yeah
[19:48] <p0a> ioria: should I purge it? apt purge ca-certificates-mono ?
[19:48] <p0a> so I should reinstall and then purge?
[19:48] <ioria> p0a, nope
[19:48] <p0a> then what?
[19:48] <ioria> p0a, dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-mono | pastebinbit
[19:48] <ioria> p0a, dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-mono | pastebinit
[19:49] <p0a> it's empty
[19:49] <ioria> you should see 'rc'
[19:49] <p0a> it's empty?
[19:50] <ioria> p0a, weird
[19:51] <jsqkldhf> Hi
[19:51] <jsqkldhf> what's the most popular way to install a VM inside my current (distant) Ubuntu server?
[19:52] <jsqkldhf> to have a second "isolated" from host development machine
[19:52] <p0a> ioria: I deleted them manually
[19:57] <cuddylier> What is the latest Ubuntu 18.04 kernel? I'm on 4.15.0-23 atm
[19:57] <rud0lf> 4.15.0-24 here
[19:58] <cuddylier> Hmmm, I did 'apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade' but it's not finding anything newer.
[20:00] <jsqkldhf> anyone?
[20:03] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic
[20:03] <ppf> cuddylier: you're up to date
[20:04] <cuddylier> Good :) Just seemed quite old date wise vs CentOS but I'm just not used to Ubuntu.
[20:04] <ppf> jsqkldhf: sounds like you actually want a contaienr
[20:05] <ikonia> cuddylier: cetos is on a much much older kernel
[20:05] <cuddylier> yea, I realise that
[20:05] <ikonia> so not sure how 4.15 seem "old"
[20:05] <cuddylier> Well, I mean since the last update I mean really
[20:06] <ikonia> what ?
[20:06] <cuddylier> Says it was released on 23rd May
[20:06] <ikonia> what has a package release date got to do with anything
[20:06] <Anticom> Hi. I've got dual boot xenial and win10. My Win10 is always wrong with its time, however i'm assuming the issue might actually be on the linux side: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings-winpc/windows-10-time-always-wrong/75d9036d-9f43-4a06-9c34-ec9bdc8f4fd7 (last reply)
[20:06] <jsqkldhf> ppf: what would you recommend?
[20:06] <ppf> jsqkldhf: docker
[20:06] <ppf> because it's easy
[20:07] <Anticom> The answer states to set UTC=no in /etc/default/rc5, however on xenial there is no such option in there currently
[20:07] <Anticom> can i safely add it or is there a "ubuntu" way of achieving this?
[20:07]  * Anticom doesn't want to mess with rc scripts
[20:08] <jsqkldhf> ppf: what do you have in a docker for example?
[20:08] <ppf> Anticom: timedatectl set-local-rtc 1 --adjust-system-clock
[20:08] <ppf> jsqkldhf: build slaves
[20:08] <jsqkldhf> ppf: what does that mean?
[20:08] <ppf> like, various flavors of linux building llvm
[20:09] <ppf> or running a distccd
[20:10] <Anticom> ppf: cheers
[20:11] <Anticom> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JzMY5c9XpQ/ what's the matter with the warning tho?
[20:12] <ppf> Anticom: i think it means what it says
[20:12] <Anticom> well i won't change time zones that often
[20:13] <ppf> DST though?
[20:13] <Anticom> so TL;DR; of that warning is that some other software relying on date/time might not expect the rtc to change radically when chaning time zones?
[20:13] <Anticom> like the issue is not the setting itself but software relying on a stable rtc?
[20:13] <ppf> yes
[20:14] <ppf> if rtc is UTC then it's slightly more monotonic
[20:14] <Anticom> okay
[20:15] <Anticom> well if nothing is crashing on my in the next couple of days i'll forget about this warning :>
[20:31] <J0ca_> hi guys
[20:31] <J0ca_> what can i do
[20:31] <J0ca_> to fix it
[20:31] <J0ca_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CvPG663ktQ/
[20:31] <J0ca_> :S
[20:32] <J0ca_> when i use #service sshd start
[20:32] <Sven_vB> what's the most light-weight way to run a 64bit X11 application on a 32bit ubuntu? is there some compatibility layer like wine?
[20:34] <Sven_vB> stackoverflow recommends qemu but the thread os old so maybe I'm in luck nowadays. :o
[20:34] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB you will not be able to run 64bit app on 32bi system
[20:35] <MoKKuJiN> hi
[20:35] <raidghost> _KaszpiR_: But the other way around 32 in 64bit works like a dream
[20:35] <_KaszpiR_> raidghost ;D
[20:35] <_KaszpiR_> maaaaaggiiiiic
[20:35] <Sven_vB> raidghost, well, using less bits than available sounds like the easier way. :D
[20:35] <oerheks> J0ca_, did you start ssh deamon  properly?  sudo systemctl enable ssh.service
[20:36] <_KaszpiR_> you could emulate 64bit sysem on 32bit system but that's pure overkill
[20:36] <Sven_vB> so there's no general solution lighter than a virtual machine?
[20:36] <oerheks> Sven_vB,  "to run a 64bit X11 application on a 32bit ubuntu?" .... LOLZ
[20:37] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB what is your hardware?
[20:37] <oerheks> nice troll,... next!
[20:37] <J0ca_> oerheks i will try, 1 sec
[20:37] <Sven_vB> Thinkpad T420. if there's no general solution I'll narrow down to running Waterfox. worst case would be to run the Windows build in wine.
[20:40] <t_> Hello Ubuntu and 1686 irc users
[20:41] <rud0lf> and 1 bot
[20:41] <rud0lf> :)
[20:41] <nx_> hi
[20:41] <nx_> hi
[20:41] <J0ca_> oerheks wow
[20:41] <J0ca_> it's working now
[20:42] <J0ca_> thanks :D
[20:42] <oerheks> J0ca_, have fun!
[20:42] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, when you say "32bit system", are both the CPU bitwidth and kernel bitwidth hard limits, or could I somehow run 64bit code on a 64bit CPU even while a 32bit kernel is booted?
[20:42] <nx_> i am surprise too
[20:42] <nx_> hey
[20:42] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB  if you have Thinkpad t420 then you should have an intel cpu, which is 64bit
[20:43] <_KaszpiR_> just reinstall system
[20:43] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, if reinstalling was an easy option I'd have done it already.
[20:43] <J0ca_> oerheks ow :( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HXWyHTxxhw/
[20:43] <nx_> just reinstall
[20:43] <J0ca_> dont work now
[20:43] <t_> week using 18.04 with Lenovo x201, no promlems 4 GB mem and 64bit.
[20:43] <_KaszpiR_> what disallows you to run 64bit system?
[20:44] <t_> under 2GB mem
[20:44] <nx_> i am from Ukraine
[20:44] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, I can't convince steam to download the 32bit linux version of starbound.
[20:45] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, and the 64bit version doesn't work on a 64bit Ubuntu
[20:45] <oerheks> J0ca_, not sshd, but ssh, that triggers the sshd(eamon)
[20:45] <Anthaas> I can't work out why my internet connection over wifi is so poor.
[20:45] <Anthaas> My phone gives me ~35mbps, the computer gives 0.81
[20:45] <Anthaas> Link quality is at 79%
[20:45] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html.en
[20:45] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB  you know you can run 32bit apps under linux?
[20:45] <_KaszpiR_> and it should be pretty easy
[20:46] <_KaszpiR_> probably just run 32bit steam
[20:46] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, yeah, I did that for normal apps, but steam was too stubborn.
[20:46] <_KaszpiR_> or there is an option for that to force 32bit installs
[20:46] <J0ca_> oerheks i know but have problem too
[20:46] <J0ca_> [....] Starting ssh (via systemctl): ssh.service
[20:46] <J0ca_> Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status ssh.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:46] <J0ca_>  failed!
[20:46] <J0ca_> :S
[20:46] <_KaszpiR_> running 32bit system is pretty useless nowadays
[20:46] <strive> Anthaas: What is the computers' capable wifi standards?
[20:47] <Anthaas> strive: I dont know how to answer that.
[20:47] <_KaszpiR_> ok, I gotta go now, good luck and bye
[20:47] <Anthaas> I have a WiFi dongle that is 802.11n if that is what you meant?
[20:47] <J0ca_> oerheks when i use service ssh start or /etc/init.d/ssh start i have this problem
[20:47] <J0ca_> oerheks Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status ssh.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:49] <J0ca_> oerheks https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HGTYYhN4wt/
[20:49] <J0ca_> when i use journalctl -xe
[20:52] <ppf> J0ca_: maybe also paste the first half :p
[20:52] <ppf> J0ca_: what's the status say
[20:53] <oerheks> J0ca_, maybe you have 2network adapters, and it is bound to the wrong one?
[20:54] <ste_> hi i'm using qemu for pci passthrough and all is well. after I add spinlocks to the configuration, windows doesn't boot properly and the vm appears to hang. I'm trying to get the best performance out of the vm and apparently that's something that needs setting up - does anyone have any info on why I would need that setting and why changing literally only that setting causes boot issues?
[20:55] <t_> my laptop Lenovo x201 https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/8895012
[20:55] <Jonta> !enter | t_
[20:56] <t_> ok
[20:59] <t_> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 520  @ 2.40GHz (1,20GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,6 GiB Total (2,2 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 133,4 Gt / 969,7 Gt (836,2 Gt Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved • Uptime: 1h 50m 19s
[21:00] <El_Presidente> hi, I am running 16.04.4 Server and I have an odd problem with apache2. I tried to enable only TLSv1.2 with "SSLProtocol  all -SSLv2 -SSLv3 -TLSv1 -TLSv1.1
[21:00] <El_Presidente> " but ssllabs shows TLSv1 and TLSv1.2. I ran a grep of the entire etc dir to look for some double configuration but I have not found anything ... any suggestions?
[21:04] <Jonta> t_: Dunno what you're trying to accomplish
[21:12] <t_> why unity desktop and Wayland ended as default desktop at Ubuntu. Gnome and X-server is future?
[21:13] <gigirock> t_: yes seems so
[21:14] <gigirock> t_: to develop and maintain unity and wayland u need money and the Canonical idea is not to spend in desktop
[21:15] <t_> ok
[21:17] <oerheks> bionix 18.04:  wayland is available and installed, not standard. unity is available, not standard
[21:17] <oerheks> so you should be on Xorg
[21:21] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: remove "-SSLv2", it's not supported anyways. other than that, it looks correct to me. you will also need to restrict ciphersuites. make sure you configured it in thecorrect scope, e.g. per virtual server (and optionally additionally globally). be aware that ssllabs' scanner caches results (but you can override this).
[21:23] <ste_> how can i tell ubuntu to use a specific graphics card if i rebind drivers and start gdm?
[21:23] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: https://mozilla.github.io/server-side-tls/ssl-config-generator/?server=apache-2.4.28&openssl=1.0.2g&hsts=yes&profile=modern
[21:24] <gigirock> u can't ste_
[21:25] <ste_> so if i have 2 cards plugged in, how do make one or the other "do the work"
[21:26] <ste_> or how does ubuntu determine which one to use
[21:26] <gigirock> ste_: which cards ?
[21:26] <ste_> as the primary
[21:26] <ste_> I have an amd r7 360 in pci express slot 1, and a 1070 gtx in slot 2
[21:26] <tomreyn> depends on the hardware you have there and the drivers you use
[21:26] <El_Presidente> tomreyn, it was the default vhost
[21:26] <ste_> im passing the 1070 through in a VM for windows
[21:27] <ste_> if i stop gdm and rebind the drivers how can I make the 1070 all of a sudden be the primary
[21:27] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: usually the mozilla generators' configurations just work, give it a try.
[21:27] <gigirock> ste_: use an yellow helmet and plastic glasses , the sudo reboot
[21:27] <gigirock> ste_: use an yellow helmet and plastic glasses , then* sudo reboot
[21:27] <ste_> but if the 1070 is in slot 2 then how does it know to use that one
[21:28] <gigirock> ste_: i think yours is an exotic configuration and developers never tested
[21:29] <gigirock> ste_: try inxi -G now and look for the response
[21:30] <gigirock> i think the default gpu will be choosen
[21:31] <tomreyn> ste_: i'm not actually sure whether you can change the order in which graphics cards will be used from the OS. maybe in bios, you can. if you just want to disable one of them, there should be two options to achieve this: blacklisting the driver of the unwanted hardware, making linux ignore thie PCIx slot.
[21:31] <ste_> Graphics:  Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Tobago PRO [Radeon R7 360 / R9 360 OEM]
[21:31] <ste_>            Card-2: NVIDIA GP104 [GeForce GTX 1070]
[21:31] <ste_>            Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: radeon,vfio-pci Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:31] <ste_>            OpenGL: renderer: AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.15.0-24-generic, LLVM 6.0.0)
[21:31] <ste_>            version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
[21:31] <tomreyn> !paste | ste_
[21:32] <gigirock> so seems amd is the main. ste_ is amd card on mb ?
[21:32] <ste_> yeah, it's in slot 1
[21:33] <ste_> the 1070 is currently bound to vfio-pci which is the one im passing through
[21:33] <gigirock> ste_: i mean is a 'separate' card ?
[21:33] <ste_> yep
[21:33] <en50> Xorg has a delay loading because mcookie/getrandom() isn't returning a random number due to low entropy. This just started happening with the latest kernel release.
[21:34] <en50> I installed "haveged" and it seems to have solved the problem, but it's way beyond my knowledge as to why there isn't enough entropy any longer on boot.
[21:36] <en50> The first couple of times I run 'startx' (or try to start LightDM/GDM), it doesn't work, and it seems it's because the entropy is too low and getrandom() blocks
[21:37] <tomreyn> en50: is this bare metal or a VM? also, you seem to be saying that there was enough entropy in the same (or a similar?) configuration in the past - what change dbetween then and now?
[21:38] <tomreyn> ok you're saying a kernel security patch intorduced the change, if i'm getting you right? which version was it before, which version is it now?
[21:38] <en50> tomreyn, bare metal on a ThinkPad. It seems to work on the last kernel (4.15.0-23), so I'm assuming it has something to do with 4.15.0-24.
[21:40] <tomreyn> hmm, that's probably worth a bug report then (using 'ubuntu-bug') if there isn't one already.
[21:41] <tomreyn> what you're discussing would be a 'regression', introduced yb a kernel patch. it would be good to rule out other possible causes, though, if you can.
[21:42] <en50> tomreyn, I'm going to search to see if I can find a changelog between the two releases to see if I can figure it out on my own before submitting a bug report, but I'll definitely do that if I can't do it on my own.
[21:43] <tomreyn> en50: is this 18.04 or 16.04 with HWE kernel?
[21:43] <en50> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051555/after-security-update-to-4-15-0-24-generic-26-ubuntu-screen-shows-log-content <-- It seems this person is having the same problem.
[21:44] <en50> tomreyn, 18.04, and I'm not sure about HWE
[21:44] <tomreyn> if it's 18.04 then it's the GA kernel since there is no HWE for 18.04, yet
[21:44] <blackswan> can somebody tell me where in the graphical adminitrative-type tools one can turn multicast dns stuff on and off?
[21:45] <blackswan> or give a hint
[21:45] <blackswan> administrative*
[21:46] <gigirock> blackswan: what is the trouble with the multicast dns ?
[21:46] <squealingcode> I'm not sure if there's a GUI way, but does this help? blackswan
[21:46] <squealingcode> https://askubuntu.com/questions/378572/how-to-turn-off-the-multicast-dns-and-multicast-upnp-services-in-ubuntu
[21:47] <blackswan> the trouble is i don't know how to turn it on :-)
[21:47] <en50> tomreyn, I just did a search and there's a lot of people with the problem. There's already a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1779476
[21:47] <blackswan> i can muck with the configuration files, sure, but i want to know what pointy-clicky tool there is to manage this stuff
[21:47] <algid> anyone have any idea how to get terminator to open on my secondary display?
[21:48] <gigirock> algid: something like terminator screen:!
[21:48] <gigirock> algid: something like terminator screen:1
[21:48] <tomreyn> en50: no reference to a lack of entropy there.
[21:48] <Anthaas> Is there a clear tutorial on how to permanently mount a second HDD?
[21:49] <tomreyn> en50:what made oyu think it was a lack of entropy?
[21:49] <squealingcode> Anthaas, absolutely. Just a sec
[21:49] <Ben64> !fstab | Anthaas
[21:49] <squealingcode> Anthaas, ubottu got there before me:)
[21:49] <gigirock> !uefi
[21:49] <squealingcode> Or rather, Ben64 got there before me :D
[21:49] <gigirock> sorry
[21:50] <tomreyn> en50: you said "Xorg has a delay loading because mcookie/getrandom() isn't returning a random number due to low entropy." - is this actually what was rptined on scrren or these (at least partially?) conclusions you have made?
[21:50] <en50> tomreyn, lightdm and gdm both had a strange delay that seemed to resolve itself after changing VT and typing some text--it would just popup at random if I was actively typing something.
[21:51] <en50> tomreyn, I set the boot default to multi-user instead of graphical, and then tried a simple 'startx' which had the exact same delay
[21:51] <Ben64> i don't see how that makes it related to entropy
[21:51] <en50> tomreyn, 'startx' would hang for an indefinite amount of time without any errors. I looked through the 'startx' script and found it was hanging at the call to xauth/mcookie
[21:52] <en50> So instead of doing 'startx' the next boot, I just ran mcookie, and lo and behold, it hung just like xorg, returning a random number only after typing a little or changing virtual terminals.
[21:52] <algid> anyone have any idea how to get terminator to open on my secondary display?
[21:52] <en50> I ran an strace on mcookie, and found it was stuck on the getrandom() kernel call
[21:52] <blackflow> en50: install haveged if you have entropy issues
[21:53] <blackflow> !haveged
[21:53] <blackflow> !info haveged
[21:53] <tomreyn> blackflow: they already did
[21:53] <en50> blackflow, yes, haveged solved the issue
[21:53] <blackflow> oh, k. don't see it mentioned in the backscroll. nvm.
[21:54] <en50> What I really don't understand is why the system is low on entropy with the latest kernel update.
[21:54] <tomreyn> en50: okay, i'm not entirely convinced that it's related to entropy, yet, but it would be good to point this out.
[21:54] <Ben64> i'm updating my laptop now to see if i get a different result
[21:54] <tomreyn> right
[21:54] <en50> tomreyn, what else would cause mcookie/getrandom() to hang?
[21:55] <tomreyn> en50: i don't know, it's just surprising to me that a kernel security patch would reduce entropy
[21:55] <en50> tomreyn, well, I didn't really know anything about entropy before trying to figure this out, so I'm a little puzzled too.
[21:56] <en50> tomreyn, I'm not 100% certain it was the kernel update that did it, but it does work on the previous kernel
[21:59] <Ben64> my laptop pulled in 4.15.0-25
[22:00] <en50> Ben64, apt says everything's up to date at 4.15.0-24
[22:01] <tomreyn> en50: this would be the kernel patch we'Re talking about: https://usn.ubuntu.com/3695-1/
[22:02] <Ben64> oh, -25 is in proposed
[22:02] <tomreyn> Ben64: can you check its changelog? packages.ubuntu.com still thinks -23 is the latest
[22:03] <Ben64> well, -24 gets me into gui within 20 seconds from boot
[22:03] <Ben64> so i'm not even seeing your issue
[22:04] <tomreyn> on bug #1779476 which en50 pointed to, lspci was requested, returning https://launchpadlibrarian.net/377005312/lspci.txt
[22:04] <tomreyn> quite the amd system
[22:05] <tomreyn> en50: what's your hardware?
[22:06] <en50> tomreyn, Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga
[22:06] <en50> Intel core i7
[22:06] <Ben64> still within 20 secs from boot to gui on -25
[22:06] <tomreyn> hmm very different then
[22:06] <tomreyn> ...the hardware
[22:08] <tomreyn> en50: i don't know... report a new bug, and point out how you worked areound it and that it *may* be similar to 1779476
[22:10] <raidghost> to make a /home/ on ssd at installation. And after installation make /mnt/raid/home/ copy /home/ to /mnt/raid/home/ and make a symlink so /home/ links to /mnt/raid/home
[22:10] <raidghost> Is that Tricky and not recommanded?
[22:15] <tomreyn> raidghost: why dont you install the way you want to have it in the end?
[22:16] <tomreyn> raidghost: also, why not mount whatever you mount to /mnt/raid/home to /home instead ?
[22:17] <raidghost> tomreyn: the 240GB drive is not big enought to set some /home
[22:17] <raidghost> So i thought of using space from my raid as /home space
[22:18] <raidghost> aah. mount raid as /home ? :P
[22:19] <t_> bye, Good night Ybuntu
[22:19] <tomreyn> raidghost: this may be an option. i don't know what the drives you have there, are.
[22:20] <en50> tomreyn, thank you; I just posted what I've found in the comments section on that bug report, so at least others might be able to benefit in the meantime while I continue trying to figure out the code that caused the problem.
[22:27] <bapa> Gosh, 18.04.1 can't come soon enough. These freeeezes. If only I was not dumb enough to write a tool to get a core dump of gnome-shell when my thingy freezes for like 2 mins. ;_;
[22:28] <bpye> Hey, so I have a weird issue
[22:29] <bpye> On boot my network doesn't come up, this delays boot because it waits to time out and also means no network which sucks, however, if I run dhclient eno1 once booted, it gets it's IP immediately
[22:29] <bpye> I'm really confused, I've basically taken this machine and put it on a different network, but I don't know why that's killed DHCP
[22:29] <bpye> This is running 16.04 server
[22:53] <hfp> Hey, I am converting my storage to zfs so I have done all that with a livecd and now I have a mirror vdev ready to go. But how do I tell my ubuntu to mount this zfs pool now? It's not with fstab so where? I want to mount the datasets where my drives were originally so that the applications on the server can't tell the difference once it reboots with the zfs pool
[23:05] <blackflow> hfp: you run zpool import and all datasets on it with canmount=auto property will mount to their respective points
[23:05] <blackflow> hfp: in addition, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache will remember the import for next boot, and automount it
[23:07] <maman> exit
[23:07] <maman> quit
[23:07] <maman> q
[23:07] <blackflow> maman: /quit
[23:18] <hfp> blackflow: cool, can I do this in a chroot from the livecd?
[23:38] <AnswerGuy> Just setting up my first preseed/PXE installation for 18.04 (bionic) ... noticed that change from ipupdown to netplan; wonder how we're supposed to indicate configuration of eth1 in our preseed files
[23:38] <blackflow> hfp: yup
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> Alternatively, how do I force systemd-networkd to re-reach the tree of .yaml settings from /etc/netplan?
[23:45] <donofrio> does this mean bad things? "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored."
[23:47] <AnswerGuy> BTW: I configure these to use the old eth0 eth1 names and I'm curious what I need to do to get d-i to create a configuratio like: /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link for eth1 as well as eth0
[23:49] <AnswerGuy> donofrio: it sounds like you have some program trying to LD_PRELOAD a shared library that you don't (no longer?) have on your system.


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[00:20] <bush> is there a set of comprehensive documentation on creating a ubuntu core port for a custom board that anyone knows of?
[00:21] <frecel> bush: I couldn't find anything, it would be nice if something like this existed
[00:22] <bush> I'm stuck trying to figure out how to include device specific bootloaders (FSBL, u-boot, etc.)
[00:22] <frecel> bush: what device are you working on?
[00:22] <bush> zynq
[00:23] <frecel> bush: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/porting/
[00:23] <bush> the target is ARM Cortex-A9, similar to BBB and RPi
[00:23] <frecel> I managed to find something
[00:24] <bush> I've followed that and exhausted a few other (outdated) guides, blogs, etc.
[00:25] <bush> It seems the documentation isn't moving as quickly as the development, as I'm sure we've all been guilty of.
[00:27] <frecel> yeah, this seems to be the common case for fast moving projects
[01:21] <sergiusens> bush, where are you stuck wrt bootloader setup?
[01:21] <jeffesquivels> bush: zynq? that's cool... I'm interested in the FPGA part of it
[01:21] <jeffesquivels> bush: I think that's what the snickerdoodle has
[01:22] <jeffesquivels> (sorry about being OT, he he)
[01:35] <bush> sergiusens: I can't figure out how to specify a bootloader or .dtb within a device package when building an image with 'ubuntu-device-flash'
[01:43] <sergiusens> bush, you need to create an oem snap and pass --oem to u-d-f
[01:43] <sergiusens> one sec
[01:44] <sergiusens> bush, something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-systems/files/head:/beagleblack/
[01:58] <bush> sergiusens: I just include the oem snap within the device package under /assets?
[02:24] <sergiusens> bush, hmm, /assets in a device package is long gone
[02:24] <sergiusens> bush, where is this info coming from?
[02:24] <sergiusens> jdstrand, do you know why I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/13222977/ ?
[02:25] <bush> sergiusens: One of the outdated guides I've been disecting: https://ograblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/porting-ubuntu-snappy-to-a-yet-unsupported-armhf-board/
[02:25] <sergiusens> bush, oh, that is indeed old
[02:26] <sergiusens> ogra_, add a not mentioning it is outdated :-P
[02:27] <bush> sergiusens: Exploring the BBB package made me think the format was still relevant: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/porting/
[02:27] <sergiusens> bush, you need to create a snap out of what I just gave you and do ubuntu-device-flash ... --oem <thesnap> ...
[02:28] <sergiusens> the yaml is indeed outdated
[02:29] <sergiusens> bush, use this as a base http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/xenial-preinstalled-core-armhf.device.tar.gz
[02:30] <bush> seriusens: awesome, thanks.
[02:30] <sergiusens> change $arch if relevant
[04:16] <soffokl> Hey guys, we still have big problems with disk IO on Ubuntu Snappy for virtualbox.
[04:16] <soffokl> Disk blocked sometimes without any reasons, even just copying file.
[04:16] <soffokl> http://s23.postimg.org/byhfb9g57/Screenshot_from_2015_11_11_10_03_18.png
[04:16] <soffokl> dmesg shows following http://pastebin.com/M96u8Che
[04:16] <soffokl> We are using SSD only systems and disk on host system not loaded.
[04:16] <soffokl> There is no such problems with other OS on virtualbox.
[04:16] <soffokl> Checked on different hardware with 15.04, 15.10, 14.04, same results.
[04:17] <soffokl> ogra_, Chipaca please help us, we have no idea about direction to dig
[06:39] <liuxg> I have a simple snappy project at https://github.com/liu-xiao-guo/go-webserver. If I do not want to use "source: git://github.com/liu-xiao-guo/golang-http" in the snapcraft.yaml to compile the go. Instead, I want to make the source code locally.  how can I modify the snapcraft.yaml file?
[06:47] <mvo> liuxg: hm, does the line "source: /home/liuxg/path/to/golang-http" work?
[06:48] <liuxg> mvo, I am not sure about it. Let me try it. thanks
[06:51] <liuxg> mvo, it does not seem to work http://paste.ubuntu.com/13225257/
[06:52] <liuxg> mvo, we have examples to show how to pull the sources, but it does not show how to compile a project whose sources are local.
[06:54] <mvo> liuxg: interessting, what version of snapcraft is that? the code has examples for local sources, e.g. "source: ." or "source: my-app". however no absolute paths in the examples, so maybe thats the problem
[06:54] <mvo> liuxg: could you try a relative path and put the source inside the dir? let me try to find you an example
[06:55] <liuxg> mvo, snapcraft (0.4). it shall be latest.
[06:55] <mvo> liuxg: yeah, that should be fine. here is a trivial example with local source https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/tree/master/integration-tests/data/local-source
[06:56] <mvo> liuxg: and here is one that uses a subdir https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/tree/master/integration-tests/data/simple-maven
[06:56] <mvo> liuxg: maybe thats helpful? i.e. put the snapcraft.yaml directly into your go source and use "source: ."?
[06:57] <liuxg> mvo, this is the result of it http://paste.ubuntu.com/13225279/
[06:58] <liuxg> mvo, do you mean that i need to move my snapcraft to the source code directory?
[06:59] <liuxg> mvo, for go, I need to have a directory name to come out the final binary name, right?
[07:00] <mvo> liuxg: hm, something funny is going on there, let me finish my current task and branch your code, it really should not crash like this
[07:01] <liuxg> mvo, ok. thanks for your help. I think it is a common practice to have the code locally. Once everything is fine, then it is pushed to the github or whatever.
[07:02] <mvo> liuxg: yeah and its supported in general, seems like there is a bug in the detection of whats local
[07:03] <liuxg> mvo, right. please let me the result of your testing.  thanks
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <liuxg> mvo, do you have any findings?
[08:06] <mvo> liuxg: sorry, got distracted. I think its a bug in the go plugin code, I'm investigating a bit now
[08:08] <liuxg> mvo, oK. thanks for the help. by the way, do we need to report a bug for it?
[08:08] <mvo> liuxg: I think a bugreport is prudent, yes. at least it should not crash
[08:09] <liuxg> mvo, OK. so, I just report a bug against for snapcraft at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+filebug
[08:09] <mvo> ta
[08:13] <liuxg> mvo, I have reported the bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1515132
[08:14] <dholbach> liuxg, I think snapcraft might more be a thing for sergiusens and tedg to answer
[08:14] <liuxg> dholbach, it is alright. I will check it with them later on :)
[08:16] <mvo> liuxg: yeah, I poked it a bit but it seems like there is more to it, i.e. seting up a go workspace or copying it into the go workspace etc
[08:17] <liuxg> mvo, setting a go env is straightforward. apt-get install golang, it will install everything, I think.
[10:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Armistice Day! 😃
[10:26] <longsleep> What is the best way to report and discuss security issues with Snappy?
[10:36] <ogra_> file bugs
[10:49] <Chipaca> longsleep: use the 'security' flag when filing the bug
[10:49] <Chipaca> soffokl: uh, ouch?
[10:50] <Chipaca> soffokl: are these errors in the host's dmesg, or in the vm's dmesg?
[11:04] <soffokl> Chipaca, on vm's dmesg
[11:07] <Chipaca> soffokl: from googling the error it seems to have something to do with weird disc configurations
[11:07] <Chipaca> bah. "weird" for a vm or an iot thing
[11:07] <Chipaca> like raid 6 on sas
[11:08] <Chipaca> soffokl: e.g. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34173/mptscsih-ioc0-task-abort-success-rv-2002-causes-30-seconds-freezing
[11:10] <ogra_> especially since you wouldnt have a raid6 in snappy :)
[11:11] <ogra_> why is that driver even loaded inside the VM
[11:11] <Chipaca> dunno if it's raid6 :)
[11:11] <Chipaca> but it seems to be sas
[11:11] <Chipaca> which, sure, should work, but no idea how good/bad virtualbox's sas driver thing is
[11:12] <Chipaca> also, always be suspicious of expensive storage hardware that just happens to have the same name as a secret agency
[11:12] <Chipaca> :-p
[11:13] <soffokl> my vm is just OVA from Snappy website
[11:14] <soffokl> on the host system only single ssd
[11:15] <Chipaca> soffokl: i don't know who or how we build those; could you look up how it's set up? in the vb settings i mean?
[11:17] <soffokl> Chipaca, I tried to change every settings that i found in vm configuration, nothing changed
[11:18] <soffokl> Actually, we found workaround, we converting img for KVM from Snappy page to vmdk and using it for virtual box. And it works fine :)
[11:19] <ogra_> hmm, interesting
[11:22] <soffokl> for OVA even copying 500MB file into VM freeze several times
[11:23] <Chipaca> ogra_: do you know who builds the ova?
[11:23] <Chipaca> sounds like something they need to know about
[11:24] <Chipaca> aha!
[11:24] <Chipaca> soffokl: bug in virtualbox
[11:24] <Chipaca> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10031
[11:25] <ogra_> Chipaca, no, i dont
[11:25] <ogra_> i'd expect the cloud people
[11:25] <soffokl> Chipaca, Opened 4 years ago, hmmm
[13:13] <frecel> ogra_: do you know anything about anyone actively working on a snappy build for intel edison?
[13:13] <ogra_> frecel, nope, i dont ... i know that lool took a look at it ages ago and there were probs
[13:16] <frecel> do you know when loop tends to hang out on irc?
[13:20] <longsleep> Is there some gear so a snap can run its own config hook, or should that be handled by the snap internall?
[13:20] <longsleep> i have a chicken egg issue, and need to make sure the config hook was run at least once before start
[13:20] <longsleep> before start of a service in the snap i mean
[13:25] <ogra_> longsleep, make it touch a stampfile, add a check for the stampfile to the startup script
[13:26] <longsleep> ogra_: yeah, but how do i run the config hook from the startup script? Directly?
[13:27] <ogra_> thats what i do
[13:27] <ogra_> if there is no initial config file i run the config.sh script once in my snap
[13:27] <longsleep> ok, i was wondering if there is a way to trigger whatever "snappy config" is doing
[13:28] <longsleep> yeah makes sense, i can certainly do that
[13:28] <ogra_> snappy config only pipes strings into your hook anyway
[13:28] <ogra_> or rather "a string"
[13:28] <ogra_> :)
[13:28] <longsleep> right, but maybe it does or will do something more
[13:29] <ogra_> i think there was a bug open to restart the service once it applies a config, but that wont affect you on first start
[13:29] <ogra_> thats the only planned enhancement i know about
[13:29] <longsleep> ogra_: yes, i think i created that bug
[13:29] <longsleep> ok
[13:29] <longsleep> fair enough
[13:29] <ogra_> ask Chipaca, he migh know more :)
[13:35] <Chipaca> me? i know nothing
[13:35]  * Chipaca <- in a meeting
[14:28] <jdstrand> sergiusens: it might be a bug in the review tools. there is some pretty ugly code due to the click compat bits that I think might be getting confused (ie, it is trying to detect if the yaml and the click compat manifest are in sync cause if they aren't, the snap could be crafted)
[14:29] <jdstrand> sergiusens: this won't be any issue once the pending feature branch mvo and I are working on lands (and I make the corresponding change to the review tools)
[14:29] <jdstrand> sergiusens: Chipaca saw this too the other day. I think something changed in snappy that started triggering this issue
[14:29] <jdstrand> sergiusens: can I have the snap?
[14:30] <Chipaca> about what?
[14:30] <Chipaca> jdstrand: is it about network-client?
[14:32] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13222977/
[14:33] <jdstrand> it seems like snappy build isn't generating the compat apparmor profile correctly
[14:33] <jdstrand> when you specify nothing, you are supposed to have the default template and 'network-client'
[14:33] <jdstrand> oh, actually, I think I may know the issue
[14:34] <jdstrand> this might be related to the networking -> network-client change
[14:34] <jdstrand> I'll fix that real quick
[14:34] <jdstrand> but again, all this compat code will be leaving both snappy and the review tools once mvo and I are down with the policy regeneration branch
[14:35] <jdstrand> done*
[14:36] <mvo> jdstrand: :-D indeed, thats going to be a glorious day. let me know how I can help further, I prepared the warning for the compatitbility if security-override.apparmor,seccomp is used and I wrote the ubuntu-core-launcher upate
[14:36] <jdstrand> mvo: I saw! I think that is perfect. just ignore that it is there
[14:37] <jdstrand> mvo: I'm preparing an apparmor upload that is related to snappy image policy uploads and the new /var/lib/snappy/apparmor/profiles dir
[14:37] <jdstrand> mvo: I will have that done this morning and then get back to reviewing your changes
[14:38] <mvo> yay!
[14:38] <rickspencer3> stgraber, so, lxc is not working for me on my up to date (version 9) Beagle Bone Black: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13227521/
[14:41] <jdstrand> man I hate this compat code in the review tools...
[14:43] <mvo> jdstrand: it will be over soon
[14:44] <mvo> jdstrand: soon we have it all replaced
[14:45] <jdstrand> \o/
[14:48] <sergiusens> mvo, well, well; there will be one more point of sync as snapcraft would be assembling the snap
[15:29] <stgraber> rickspencer3: hmm, not completely clear what's the problem there. It looks like something's failing with lxc-net in there but then lxd itself is running or lxd-images would have failed differently...
[15:29] <rickspencer3> stgraber, ok, what should I do?
[15:29] <stgraber> rickspencer3: I'd recommend doing a reboot if you haven't yet, see if that gets things back in working order. If not, another possibility for that error would be that you're running out of disk space somehow.
[15:30] <rickspencer3> stgraber, I did reboot
[15:30] <rickspencer3> stgraber, what's a good way to check disk space?
[15:31] <stgraber> rickspencer3: "df -a | grep writable" may do it, it's a bit of a mess with all the bind-mounts though
[15:31] <rickspencer3> stgraber, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13227923/
[15:32] <stgraber> that should be fine
[15:32] <stgraber> ok, let me try to reproduce that issue on my beaglebone black here
[15:33] <rickspencer3> thanks stgraber
[15:41] <jdstrand> beuno: can you pull r543 to the store. this is needed to address the error in things like https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3675/seq/4/
[15:42] <jdstrand> beuno: beuno more review tools changes will be coming in the next week or so, but this one is kinda needed now
[15:44] <beuno> jdstrand, yeap. cc/ pindonga
[15:44] <jdstrand> beuno: also, I don't seem to be able to waive https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3675/seq/4/ through
[15:45] <sergiusens> jdstrand, beuno let me calm eveyone a bit though; only us devs see that as it is only in the tools-proposed area or xenial at most
[15:45] <jdstrand> beuno: the first failure is what I fixed in the review tools. the second is Chipaca wanting access to snapd and I'm presuming he knows what he is doing :)
[15:55] <stgraber> rickspencer3: fyi, I did manage to reproduce the issue here on my bbb, I'm trying to figure out what's going on now
[15:55] <rickspencer3> thanks stgraber
[15:55] <rickspencer3> stgraber, if you give me a link to the project, I will log a bug for you if you want
[15:56] <stgraber> doh, found the issue
[15:56] <stgraber> MemoryError
[15:56] <stgraber> the bbb doesn't have enough RAM to process the cloud image :)
[15:57] <rickspencer3> stgraber, ouch
[15:59] <stgraber> looks like we could change lxd-images to use less RAM, it'd use more I/O though but probably still worth doing
[15:59] <stgraber> I'll file an upstream bug for that
[16:02] <stgraber> rickspencer3: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/1300
[16:03] <rickspencer3> stgraber, ok, doesn't sound like it will be fixed quickly
[16:03] <rickspencer3> keep me posted
[16:05] <stgraber> rickspencer3: fix should be pretty straight forward but it'll take another couple of weeks before it's in a release that hits snappy
[16:05] <rickspencer3> stgraber, ack, I get it
[16:05] <rickspencer3> np
[16:05] <stgraber> rickspencer3: though you'll be able to grab the lxd-images script from git and manually use it until then
[16:06] <rickspencer3> stgraber, ooh
[16:06] <rickspencer3> ok, just let me know when you have something for me to try
[16:07] <jdstrand> beuno, pindonga: actually, can you make that r544? r544 has the vendor checks removed too
[16:07] <jdstrand> bug #1510522
[16:29] <jdstrand> beuno, pindonga: heh, make that r545 -- I missed sergiusens branch which I just merged
[16:33] <stgraber> rickspencer3: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/pull/1301
[16:34] <rickspencer3> stgraber, nice
[16:34] <stgraber> testing on my bbb now (prepared it on x86 obviously :))
[16:34] <rickspencer3> I'm working on something else right now, but if you want me to try your fix later, just post me some instructions
[16:38] <stgraber> doh, /tmp is a tmpfs on snappy, so that's not helping much as it still ends up in memory
[16:38] <stgraber> pretty sure /tmp on tmpfs is a bad idea for low-memory devices...
[16:38] <stgraber> mvo: ^
[16:39] <stgraber> rickspencer3: sure enough, the MemoryError is now replaced by a No space left on device :)
[16:39] <rickspencer3> um
[16:39] <rickspencer3> stgraber, so, I guess we need an image for a bigger sd card?
[16:40] <stgraber> what we'd need is for snappy to detect that the board has low memory and setup /tmp as a path on /writable instead of an in-memory tmpfs
[16:40] <stgraber> I'm basically doing that manually here now to confirm that this then all works
[16:51] <mvo> stgraber: thanks! indeed, thats our default setup
[16:51] <mvo> stgraber: i.e. use tmpfs
[17:03] <stgraber> rickspencer3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13228814/ <- confirmed that this works fine here
[17:04] <stgraber> rickspencer3: so moving forward, hopefully snappy won't be using tmpfs for /tmp on beagleboneblack and LXD 0.23 will contain the lxd-images fix, at which point everything should just work (albeit very slowly, but that's because of the hardware)
[23:01] <jerryG> how do i start mir manually?
[23:50] <csanders> I'm running through the "your first app" tutorial. After building the example webcam .snap, can I locally install this on my Snappy Ubuntu Core VM?
[23:50] <csanders> The guide moves on to "publishing apps" but doesn't mention installing this to test that it built correctly.


[07:52] <dekarl1> tgm4883: does that mean that thze package mythbuntu-repos (which provides that script on my system) is deprecated and should be removed on 12.04 installations?
[07:54] <dekarl> s/removed/purged/
[13:49] <superm1> i thought it was sets to conflicts/replaces
[13:49] <superm1> with mythbuntu-common
[13:54] <tgm4883> superm1, IIRC it's a virtual package now
[13:54] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-common provides mythbuntu-repos
[13:54] <tgm4883> but the cron job sounds like it should have been removed
[13:55] <tgm4883> thomas@ares:~$ apt-cache show mythbuntu-repos
[13:55] <tgm4883> N: Can't select versions from package 'mythbuntu-repos' as it is purely virtual
[13:56] <tgm4883> dekarl, no, as it's virtual. You can remove it if you want but it isn't necessary
[13:57] <tgm4883> superm1, -common is a C&R for -repos
[13:57] <tgm4883> not provides it seems
[13:57] <superm1> oh so it wasn't purged on upgrade probably
[13:58] <superm1> i think the common postinst needs to remove that cron job
[13:58] <superm1> if it hasn't been changed
[14:08] <tgm4883> superm1, I thought that was suppose to happen automatically?
[14:08] <superm1> only if -repos is purged
[14:08] <superm1> it was probably only removed
[14:08] <tgm4883> ok
[14:56] <dekarl> well, purging mythbuntu-repos removed the file. No idea if thats right or wrong :)
[15:03] <superm1> was the file causing problems or errors somewhere?
[15:12] <tgm4883> superm1, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list: No such file or directory
[15:12] <superm1> where does that happen?
[15:12] <tgm4883> since that is true, it doesn't exist anymore
[15:12] <tgm4883> superm1, in the cron logs probably
[15:12] <superm1> well can you add something to -repos for older versions so that doesn't cause an error?
[15:13] <superm1> test for the file first or something?
[15:13] <tgm4883> you mean to -common?
[15:13] <tgm4883> or did we backport those fixes to -repos too
[15:14] <tgm4883> superm1, old versions should be fine
[15:14] <tgm4883> they still have that file
[15:14] <tgm4883> so it's just since we moved to -common
[15:15] <superm1> yeah so i'm saying for people still on repos you can put a fix out that will prevent breakage when they upgrade and move to common
[15:15] <tgm4883> so have it delete the cron job on removal then
[15:33] <superm1> that's a better solution i think, test for changes
[15:46] <tgm4883> superm1, so unlike mythbuntu-repos.list, we ship that cron job in the deb. What is the best way to test for changes? Is there a hash of that file somewhere?
[15:47] <superm1> yes
[15:47] <superm1> it's stored in /var/lib/dpkg


[20:53] <blackboxsw> smoser: quick review on https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/352010
[21:01] <smoser> thank you blackboxsw
[21:02] <smoser> blackboxsw: that is a good comment