[07:00] <clown> lo, I ran into this problem that stage2 bails out on a netinst install (laptop with broken CD player). How can Ik restart stage2?


[13:19] <igalic> hello happy people o/~
[13:19] <igalic> I have a failing perl test on precise, which works on trusty, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/183205183/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.wallet_1.1-2un1~precise1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:20] <wgrant> # WebAuth version 3.06 required--this is only version 2.00 at lib/Wallet/Object/WAKeyring.pm line 24.
[13:21] <igalic> gah. of course.
[13:22] <igalic> thanks
[15:42] <igalic> well, this is no fun, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/183214568/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.webauth_4.6.1-2un1~precise1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz -- E: Unable to locate package dh-apache2
[17:06] <cjwatson> igalic: You'll probably need to reverse the migration from https://wiki.debian.org/Apache/PackagingFor24 in order to backport Apache modules to precise.
[17:46] <igalic> cjwatson: ack
[18:53] <Jeffrey_f> confused, need confirm bug fix commit.
[19:11] <mapreri> are dependency-wait uploads to ppa auto-retried?
[20:38] <cjwatson> mapreri: should be, cron job runs every 30 minutes and I believe it applies to PPAs too
[21:05] <sergio-br2> "The repository you are fetching from contains submodules, which are not yet supported."
[21:05] <sergio-br2> there is no submodules in the git repository...
[21:05] <sergio-br2> damn you buggy launchpad :p
[21:11] <dobey> yes there were
[21:11] <dobey> sergio-br2: if a git repo *ever* contained submodules, it will fail to be imported by bzr-git
[21:16] <sergio-br2> why launchpad does not ignore it them? The important is the code, not the history...
[21:21] <dobey> because it has to import the entire history
[21:22] <dobey> it converts a git repository to a bzr repository. it doesn't just take a bunch of files and make a repository from it
[21:35] <cjwatson> the path of least resistance is to assemble the source package locally rather than using recipes


[02:44] <akk> Huh, to renew a vehicle registration online, you have to have the renewal notice. If they didn't sent a renewal notice, you can find out how much it is online but you can't pay it.
[02:45] <nhaines> akk: this is true.
[02:46] <nhaines> akk: you can also go to your local Auto Club office and renew it faster than at the DMV, if you are an Auto Club member.
[02:46] <akk> I was wondering that! But I can't find anything on the AAA site saying whether they can renew if I don't have the notice.
[02:46] <akk> Or whether they renew motorcycles, though I might hope so since it's insured through them.
[02:46] <akk> Guess I'll call them tomorrow.
[02:50] <nhaines> akk: yeah, I think I've always been able to find my notice.  I can't imagine registration services are different based on vehicle type though.
[03:00] <sn9> if they didn't send a notice, there is nothing to renew
[03:00] <akk> ha, I wish
[03:02] <sn9> ?
[03:59] <rww> jyo_, pleia2: Can one of you check that the mails I sent you with gpg signatures actually work? It's been a while since I did this :)
[04:48] <jyo_> rww: Worked for me. Thanks again.
[04:49] <jyo> rww: I presume it is paranoid/courteous to encrypt the signature as well, correct?
[14:27] <BirthdayGirl> hi
[17:01] <iheartubuntu> Happy Birthday to BirthdayGirl
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> looking for some input... i now have access to any size classroom at CSULA for anything ubuntu or linux related. Any suggestions as to what I can do? A big Ubuntu Hour? A LUG?
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> thx
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> :)
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> sorry i got sidetracked
[17:05] <BirthdayGirl> lol
[17:06] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: how long do you have access to it for? maybe some kind of intro to ubuntu class or something? (I seem to recall you said there is already a lug in your area)
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> there is a LUG meeting up in Pasadena every month which is pretty good... Brings anywhere from 20-30 people every month. CSULA is probably 5-8 miles south of that?
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> An Ubuntu intro sounds like fun
[17:11] <iheartubuntu> I pretty much have access to a room at time
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> I'll have to ask for how long
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> I like Ubuntu Hours but theres no much hands on stuff going on for us at our Pasadena UH
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> Would be nice to have something similar, but much more hands on. So people can play around with the OS, ask questions, etc
[17:14] <pleia2> well, Ubuntu Hours are better in public places because then random people can drop by and ask you things
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> so far the only people that have asked us have been people who have heard of Ubuntu
[17:15] <pleia2> so I think a "what is this ubuntu thing anyway?" with hands on demos and stuff is better for a classroom session :)
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> yah
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> and maybe with some flyers around campus we can hook some people who have never even heard of Ubuntu
[17:16] <iheartubuntu> 5 years ago everyone i talked to had never heard of it.... now thats definitely changing
[17:16]  * pleia2 nods
[17:17] <pleia2> we've had people sitting near us in the coffee shop say things like "I've heard about it but I don't really understand what it is"
[17:17] <pleia2> so we get to talk to them, it's cool :)
[17:18] <iheartubuntu> we had a guy, i tell you, was straight from jules verne era. as if he dropped in on us or something and was bubbling with enthusiasm when we showed him Ubuntu
[17:18] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: care to blog about the awesome ubuntu earrings, $6 of which goes to partimus? :) http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4515
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> maybe he will bring the disc back to his time era
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> yah sure!
[17:20] <akk> Those earrings look really nice.
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> are those laser cut?
[17:22] <pleia2> Boutique Academia had them made, so presumably it was with an outfit experienced with such things, not sure what they do to make them
[17:22] <pleia2> not a do-it-yourself kinda thing
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - so maybe a 2 or 3 hour Ubuntu get together? Should I have possibly a 15 minute intro about Ubuntu and then a hands on thing?
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> did anyone see Super 8 over the weekend? Looks good
[17:35] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah that sounds fun :)
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> maybe some USB sticks with Ubuntu on them and a bunch of CDs
[17:36] <pleia2> yeah
[17:36] <akk> A hands-on event does sound like a lot of fun.
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> a couple weeks back I was sitting in on a live rehearsal of several different bands. some good stuff, some bad stuff :) i was asking them how they are making their music these days
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> they all said protools
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> i asked them was it expensive?
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> well we know how they obtained the software
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> i told them about ubuntu and they could use Ardour which is pretty close to protools
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> now everyone is emailing me
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> i helped one guy via chat install Ubuntu using Wubi and I was surprised Wubi does not offer which version of Ubuntu to install. My experience I remember Wubi had a drop down menu asking which version
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> this new Wubi just installs the latest version
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> and im not sure which it installed either... 32 or 64 bit
[17:41] <pleia2> I imagine investing in the professional tools is one of the biggest investments an amateur musician has
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> ProTools is a software program
[17:41] <pleia2> oh :)
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> expensive one
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> mostly its pirated
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> I think it ranges for $1000 on up
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> up to $10k for more features
[17:42] <pleia2> wow
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> I know Ardour is a pretty good replacement for it rom what Ive seen
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> from
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> im sure it cant handle the 10k capabilities
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> but still. free is free
[17:43] <iheartubuntu> http://ardour.org/
[17:43] <pleia2> and even if it just measures up to the lower end version that's something :)
[18:00] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 do you know of any ubuntu intro slideshows available? i was just checking spreadubuntu and did not see anything
[18:01] <pleia2> it's one of the things ubuntu-learning wanted to develop but we don't have the volunteers to do right now :( so no, I don't know of any off-hand right now
[18:02] <pleia2> if you want to write some I'd be happy to proof them though (and adding them to spreadubuntu would be great)
[18:05] <yantrashilpi> iheartubuntu, pleia2 : isn't there an ubuntu intro book? wouldn't that work?
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> ok - i'll havw to whip somwething up
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> and put it on spreadubuntu
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> is there an intro book?
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> i think i'll first head to the ubuntu site and use some of the ubuntu tour points
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> i would need to highlight the key points people are most interested in
[18:08] <pleia2> most of the books focus on gnome2, there may be a new one out that has unity stuff but I haven't kept an eye out
[18:22] <nhaines> I didn't get very far in my attempt to write a Unity book.
[18:22] <nhaines> Mostly lack of time.  :(
[18:33] <pleia2> the official natty docs were updated and have unity screenshots, so it is probably worth pulling from them some
[18:33] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html
[18:34] <pleia2> (and serious kudos to the docs team for pulling this off)
[18:38] <pleia2> just be care to note the license (cc-by-sa) to give credit appropriately :)
[19:05] <nhaines> pleia2: the docs team worked like crazy the last two weeks.  It was pretty incredible.
[19:07] <pleia2> yeah, they did
[19:08] <nhaines> I actually was careful not to read it whenever possible because of the book project.  But the screen shots were pretty.  :)
[19:09] <nhaines> And the GNOME 3 help is pretty nice, too.
[19:14] <yantrashilpi> nhaines, where can I find these docs? are they released?
[19:17] <pleia2> they are the default docs that ship with 11.04, the link I gave above is the web version
[19:39] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks, I didn't know about the Web version.  I see it's just as nice as the desktop version.  :)
[21:44] <pleia2> nhaines: it's now been a week and task is going strong, I think it's finally a solution I'll stick to :)
[21:44]  * pleia2 typically would go back to scraps of paper after a couple days
[21:44] <nhaines> pleia2: yay! :)
[21:45] <nhaines> Yeah, it's just Unixy enough that I find it charming.
[21:49] <pleia2> the biggest problem with my scraps of paper method was that it had no history, the task reports are nice
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> scraps?
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> i finally converted all of my scraps to tomboy
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> :)
[21:50] <nhaines> pleia2: yeah, plus you have to worry about lost clusters.  ;)
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> god i feel efficient
[21:51] <pleia2> I use 3 computers regularly, one of which is my chomebook, tomboy wasn't a good solution for me
[21:51] <pleia2> needed something I could access from anywhere
[21:51] <iheartubuntu> so what do u use instead
[21:51] <nhaines> pleia2: ssh is a good solution for everything.  :)
[21:52] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: she uses taskwarrior
[21:52] <pleia2> the package in ubuntu is "task"
[21:52] <pleia2> nhaines recommended it :)
[21:52] <nhaines> pleia2: did you see the dependancy feature?  :)
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> its available in chrome too?
[21:52] <pleia2> http://taskwarrior.org
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> ohh command line
[21:52] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: chromeos has an ssh terminal, I run it on my server with IRC and email and ssh to it
[21:53] <pleia2> and it's simple for basic use, but highly extendable when you want to get complicated, just like any good ole unixy app should be :)
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> are there any SSH classes i cant take? :) i feel so alone
[21:58] <pleia2> this has the basics: http://princessleia.com/sshscreen.php
[21:59] <pleia2> (I wrote this for less techie friends on IRC who used to ask how I can stay on IRC all the time)
[22:00] <nhaines> pleia2: that's cute.  :)
[22:00]  * iheartubuntu r2d2 *chuckles*
[22:00] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: these days all the machines on my network are named after astromech droids :)
[22:01] <pleia2> (my servers are star wars planets)
[22:01] <nhaines> My computers are named after biomes and my remote servers are supercontintents.
[22:02] <pleia2> hehe
[22:02] <nhaines> Which is why you saw vaalbara.nhaines.com a lot until I got my irssi script just the way I liked it.
[22:04] <pleia2> yeah, we had a netsplit the other day which exposed coruscant.princessleia.com (which I like! I just keep the member cloak so I can +o in channels where only ubuntu member cloaks folks can, sad sad)
[22:05] <nhaines> Haha, yeah, I really like vaalbara.nhaines.com.  :)
[22:06] <broder> there's also irccloud.com
[22:06] <broder> (which i have invites for, if anybody wants them)
[22:07] <nhaines> Ooh, that's kinda cool.
[22:07] <nhaines> SSH looks more like working though, so...  :)
[22:07] <nhaines> pleia2: speaking of GNU screen, I'm in love with Byobu!
[22:07] <pleia2> nhaines: really? I found it horribly noisy
[22:08] <rww> same reason I have my cloak ;(
[22:08] <rww> reminds me, I need to poke the IRC cabal about irccloud.com
[22:08] <pleia2> I think dustin was going to add a "turn off all noise" option, not sure if he has
[22:09] <jyo> rww: Hey, so everything worked out, key-signing-wise.
[22:09] <rww> jyo: looks that way, yes :)
[22:10] <nhaines> pleia2: yup!  you can turn off a lot of the status indicators and I don't use it locally unless I'm going to be signing in and out but for remote access it's really handy.
[22:10] <rww> well, between us. some people haven't done their post-keysigning stuff yet.
[22:10] <rww> broder: can I get one, please?
[22:11] <pleia2> rww: oops, did I not send you your key?
[22:11]  * pleia2 frowns at sent box
[22:11] <rww> pleia2: nope ;P
[22:11] <pleia2> oops, sec
[22:11]  * rww figures an irccloud might be useful if we decide to do something complicated to exempt irccloud users
[22:11] <broder> rww: sure, just PM me your e-mail
[22:11] <rww> broder: rww at ubuntu.com
[22:11] <broder> sent
[22:12] <rww> thanks
[22:12] <nhaines> rww: that's handy.
[22:12] <jyo> Okay, so for devin, I need to sign that four word blurb he gave me?
[22:12] <rww> jyo: no idea. I just did my usual sign-and-encrypt-and-attach on the key signatures and asked him to let me know what to do with the phrase if he wanted me to use it.
[22:13] <rww> though I also said something along the lines of "screw this, you admin devin.com, there's no point in me sending individual emails to each UID on there", so I am perhaps not a good role model
[22:14] <nhaines> web of trust!
[22:15]  * nhaines sighs.
[22:16] <nhaines> Font rendering in Windows XP makes me a sad panda.
[22:20] <pleia2> for devin I just did --clear-sign on a text file I created with his phrase
[22:20] <jyo> rww: Was --output foo.asc working for you when exporting the signature? For some reason, didn't work for me and pleia2
[22:21] <rww> jyo: you need to put --output before --export
[22:21] <pleia2> jyo: no, I just ended up piping it with >
[22:21] <pleia2> rww: aha!
[22:21]  * pleia2 goes to update docs (I swear it used to work the other way)
[22:21] <nhaines> Pipes are amazing things.
[22:21] <rww> probably did, I've noticed myself tripping over gpg order a few times recently and don't remember it being a problem in the past
[22:22] <rww> s/order/options order/
[22:22] <jyo> pleia2: oh the philly guide assumes the signature files aren't encrypted?
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> its 3+ months since i last ordered from the Ubuntu software center. Anyone interested in ordering anything?
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> I'll post to the mailing list in the next day or so
[22:24] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I trust you mean the Canonical Store?
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> ohhh yah
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> duh
[22:24] <nhaines> That is a really handsome laptop sleeve they have there which I would never use.
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> i was in the software center :)
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> good thing i wasnt in the terminal
[22:25] <nhaines> heh
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> at least you van order from the software center
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> *can
[22:26] <nhaines> I ordered Vendetta Online.
[22:26] <nhaines> I'd order Uplink but I'm pretty sure I can find my CD copy if I look hard enough.
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 are there any more 10.10 discs available from the CA team?
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> I have about 30 left from ordering from the store last time. official discs are hot items :)
[22:29] <rww> people not keen on Unity or something?
[22:29] <iheartubuntu> i dont have any unity discs, just 1010
[22:29] <iheartubuntu> but everyone from the cal tech LUG all pretty much... ummm... are not fans of unity
[22:29] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: no, we got rid of the last 10.10 ones at scale back in february
[22:29] <pleia2> and the burned ones I brought home are gone too
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> ok
[22:30] <pleia2> (were given to the local hackerspace and some folks who needed them in san jose)
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> when i get this thing set up at CSULA i was wondering if you could spot me 10 nattys or something
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> i noticed most lug users there were ubuntu users (one guy had chrome opened up with my chrome app on his dash :) ) but there was talk of people switching distros over natty
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> im fine with natty once kinks get worked out
[22:32] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: can you check with DarkwingDuck? I sent him a big package and he said he'd share with LA
[22:33] <pleia2> I can certainly send more down, but I sent down a big batch so I wouldn't need to make lots of shipments :)
[22:33] <iheartubuntu> k
[22:33] <iheartubuntu> dear darkwingduck
[22:34] <iheartubuntu> i'll burn some discs as backup
[22:34] <pleia2> just let me know if he can't spare them, we do have more
[22:36] <iheartubuntu> k
[22:38] <DarkwingDuck> Yes? I can spare.
[22:39] <nhaines> Now someone just has to fuel up and start driving.
[22:40] <pleia2> what, LA and SD aren't 20 minutes apart? :)
[22:40] <pleia2> oh, 2 hours!
[22:41] <nhaines> pleia2: 3-4 with traffic!
[22:41] <pleia2> that's unpleasant
[22:41] <nhaines> Indeed.  :)
[22:41] <rww> pleia2: it's socal, of course it's unpleasant
[22:41] <pleia2> zing
[22:42] <pleia2> we're thinking of going to monterey for the 4th of july is that midcal?
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> you could get there quicker in a  hot air ballon
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> yah
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> im thinking of lake tahoe... supposed to have biggest and longest fireworks show west of the mississippi
[22:44] <nhaines> pleia2: that's still northern California.
[22:44] <pleia2> nhaines: ah, ok
[22:44] <jyo> Driving around Lake Tahoe sounds fun until you actually do it.
[22:45] <nhaines> And even though we never talk about it (because there's nothing to say), between SoCal and NorCal is "central California".  ;)
[22:45] <pleia2> I suspect the 4th is a big holiday there too
[22:45] <pleia2> lol
[22:45] <pleia2> we drove to vegas last 4th of july, it was very busy, and hot (and driving there is for crazy people)
[22:45] <pleia2> and our car was all "why are you driving me in a desert in july :("
[22:46] <rww> "Central California" is the mind-numbingly boring part of the drive down I-5. NorCal is anything north of that, SoCal is anything south of that. Problem solved!
[22:47] <pleia2> there are lots of signs telling me that central california is a congress-created dust bowl
[22:47] <pleia2> driving down I-5
[22:47]  * pleia2 didn't realize that water rights were still a political thing here until moving out here
[22:47] <jyo> Also fun: Smelling cows before you see them.
[22:48] <pleia2> yeah, I lived in eastern pennsylvania so the cow thing is not new
[22:48] <nhaines> Last time I drove up there with the kids we passed a huge dust devil and they pointed out the window and said "look! a vortex!"
[22:48] <jyo> pleia2: Sacramento delta, basically
[22:49] <pleia2> vortex++
[22:49] <nhaines> pleia2: they recognized it from the vortex created by bathwater running down the drain.  :)
[22:49] <pleia2> hehe
[22:50] <pleia2> it was also interesting seeing all the oil wells near bakersfield
[22:50] <jyo> Bart vs. Australia. Decent Episode.
[22:50] <pleia2> so I actually don't regret doing the drive, once
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> cow tipping?
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - i dont know but when i grew up the entire central valley was lush green
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> i like the 101 drive better than 5
[22:58] <sn9> 5 is less stress
[22:58] <sn9> and 101 has a speed trap with a limit of something like 25 near king city
[23:25] <rww> broder: irccloud users should now be able to talk in #ubuntu
[23:26] <broder> rww: nooo! but my excuse for never going in there...!
[23:26] <broder> :-P
[23:26] <rww> hehe :)
[23:26] <pleia2> haha
[23:26] <sn9> isn't irccloud a paid service?
[23:27] <broder> not yet
[23:27] <broder> but yes, once it goes out of beta
[23:27] <broder> (s/once/if/)
[23:28] <sn9> i don't see the point of it
[23:28] <broder> two things: (a) it's a web-based irc service so i can use it from any machine with a web browser
[23:28] <sn9> a la mibbit
[23:28] <broder> (b) it leaves me logged in when i don't have the window open
[23:28] <rww> mibbit is banned from freenode
[23:29] <sn9> rww: i know
[23:29] <sn9> hidemyass is banned too, i think
[23:35] <nhaines> sn9: it's web-based screen+irssi for people who don't want the complexity or the power.  :)
[23:36] <sn9> oh.
[23:46] <iheartubuntu> so broder is on irccloud


[17:28] <Unit193> Anyone hear about the animals in Ohio?
[17:33] <paultag> yeah!
[17:33] <paultag> nuts!!
[17:33] <paultag> lions tigres and bears!
[17:35]  * Unit193 doesn't want to visit that city right now
[17:37] <paultag> it was cbus iirc
[17:38] <Unit193> not Zanesville?
[17:40] <paultag> that's the one
[17:40] <paultag> I remember thinking "lolwut? painsville?"
[17:42] <thafreak> what about animals in ohio?
[17:42] <paultag> they got loose
[17:42] <thafreak> from the zoo?
[17:42] <paultag> yeah
[17:42] <paultag> 17:33 <+paultag> lions tigres and bears!
[17:43] <thafreak> like in the town?
[17:44] <paultag> yep
[17:44] <thafreak> awesome
[17:44] <paultag> inorite??
[17:44] <thafreak> what a story...I was driving, and i hit a lion with my car...
[17:45] <Unit193> Just as long as it doesn't start with "I was walking home from the park...."
[17:59] <jrgifford> Agreed, that's a mess down there.
[21:38] <Unit193> paultag: Guess who's back in control of UBT? :D
[21:39] <paultag> Unit193: who?
[21:40] <Unit193> paultag: Bodhi
[21:40] <paultag> he never lost it :)
[21:40] <paultag> he was always in control
[21:40] <paultag> why?
[21:40] <Unit193> Well, he's fully taking over, reverting it back to older days
[21:41] <paultag> Unit193: because the council all idled away :)
[21:41] <paultag> (myself included)
[21:41] <paultag> dang. 4 years.
[21:42] <Unit193> paultag: Yep, they were supposed to just watch for issues too, not really tell you what to do
[21:42] <paultag> Unit193: I know, I created the council role 2 years ago :)
[21:42] <paultag> Unit193: but it's since become very very different from what I authored :)
[21:42] <Unit193> Oh XD
[21:42] <paultag> so I left
[21:42] <Unit193> It's gone
[21:43] <paultag> that's fine :)
[21:43] <paultag> it needed a restructure because we had too many people
[21:43] <paultag> it seems the UBT no longer has that issue
[21:43] <paultag> it's far too much paperwork for it's own good now
[21:43] <Unit193> Heh, yep, that's why it needed changed
[21:44] <Unit193> You're not in Ubuntu stuff anymore? No point in asking about OpenWeek then :P
[21:44] <paultag> Unit193: Nope :)
[21:45] <paultag> Unit193: I left the UBT last year at some point a few months after I left the ubt council
[21:45] <paultag> and I've been leaving other stuff since
[21:45] <paultag> and I'm about to drop ubuntu-lococouncil in the next month or two
[21:46] <Unit193> Awww.... We still get to keep you?
[21:46] <paultag> ubuntu ohio?
[21:46] <Unit193> Yep
[21:46] <paultag> yeah, of course :)
[21:46] <Unit193> Well, more the older members anyway (Although I'd love to know what happened to the ones I knew back in '08)
[21:53] <jrgifford> Unit193: UBT? /me is clueless
[21:53] <Unit193> jrgifford: #Ubuntu-Beginners-Team
[21:54] <jrgifford> oooohhh. ok
[21:55] <Unit193> It's great, bodhizazen is getting a bunch of the forum people on there too now :D
[21:55] <paultag> that's how it's always been :)
[21:56] <paultag> Unit193: look at the founders, we're all forums staff, mods or active
[21:56] <Unit193> Used to be
[21:56] <jrgifford> I love how paultag is just like "It's always been this way. ;)"
[21:56] <paultag> yeah
[21:56] <paultag> it's more of a return to normalcy
[21:56] <paultag> which is a good thing
[21:56] <Unit193> Aye, how it should be
[21:56] <Unit193> He cleaned out the +V the other day, it was really fun since the channel was Verbose :D
[21:57] <Unit193> .... Wasn't trying to get you to join...
[21:57] <paultag> I'm not going to Unit193


[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <dpm> hi Mirv, I've just sent you an e-mail with an issue the calendar devs are having with the qtjsondb package. Let me know if that gives you enough info or if you'd need me to put you in touch with the guy who reported the issue
[07:47] <Mirv> dpm: I think I understand the problem, the raring version of qtjsondb was built in a PPA where it didn't pick up the 5.0.2. rebuilding in qt5-proper.
[07:47] <Mirv> and I assume the guy has raring
[07:48] <dpm> Mirv, yeah, I think most of the core app devs are running raring
[07:48] <dpm> Mirv, is there a way to get the package to work for raring?
[07:50] <Mirv> dpm: yep, just a rebuild, should be fixed in about half an hour in qt5-proper
[07:51]  * dpm hugs Mirv
[07:51] <dpm> cool, thanks!
[07:53] <Mirv> no problem
[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday! :-D
[08:46] <oSoMoN> gusch: hey, would you have some time for reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/disable-webview-when-activityview-visible/+merge/173156 ?
[08:47] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[08:54] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved
[08:55] <oSoMoN> gusch: thx
[09:21] <rafaelement> Hi guys! I need help with this snippet. i have a state change with a transition, but its animation doesn't work. can someone please tell me what i am doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/SxgZerE9
[09:23] <dpm> I'm not very familiar with animations, timp or kalikiana, perhaps you might be able to help rafaelement ^^ ?
[09:26] <rafaelement> :)
[09:49] <timp> rafaelement: I'm quite busy now, but I can have a look in an hour or so
[09:50] <timp> rafaelement: can you try to simplify your code? to have a small test program with the animations only?
[09:52] <rafaelement> i will do that
[09:52] <rafaelement> just a second
[09:57] <rafaelement> i reuploaded the simplified version to the previous link! thanks for your help.
[10:15] <Laney> how do I refer to an enumeration type in a property?
[10:15] <Laney> e.g. property ??? fillMode : Image.PreserveAspectCrop
[10:17] <Laney> https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qml-enumeration.html says it's not possible but is there some trick? I got a review comment asking me to make my types more specific.
[10:41] <timp> Laney: ask the reviewer :)
[10:41] <Laney> timp: Rather avoid pinging people if possible. :P
[10:43] <timp> I don't think you can tell qml that a variable is of "enumeration" type
[10:44] <timp> rafaelement: what is the url of your updated code? http://pastebin.com/SxgZerE9 is still not that basic; It needs includes, and I think in your case a very basic program with only two states and a transition between the two would be helpful
[10:45] <Laney> I'll just bounce it back on the review
[10:46] <Laney> I also got asked to link to Image's documentation for properties which are the same - is there a qmldoc way to do that or does it mean to link to the webpage?
[10:48] <rafaelement> timp: i left it that way because i think i may have nested the elements in the wrong way
[10:53] <rafaelement> timp: http://pastebin.com/f4ehyhUR simpler...
[10:53] <Laney> ah \l
[10:54] <timp> rafaelement: that qml just gives me a blank window with only a header
[10:55] <rafaelement> it uses ubuntu buttons... do you use them? for me it displays a window with a centered button. on click, it displays an overlay with a centered close button
[10:56] <timp> rafaelement: you shouldn not anchors.centerIn parent if the parent is a column
[10:56] <rafaelement> timp: what can i use then?
[10:58] <timp> maybe my local installation of the ui toolkit is broken..
[10:59] <rafaelement> timp: does it give errors?
[10:59] <timp> rafaelement: you can use left/right anchors or align horizontally, and also set the height
[10:59] <timp> rafaelement: sorry, I have a meeting now
[11:00] <oSoMoN_> gusch: remember yesterday how you asked me whether increasing the page load time for one given autopilot test to 10 seconds wouldn’t time out? well it turns out you were right… my bad, here is a MR that should fix it: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/increase-test-timeout/+merge/173183
[11:00] <gusch> oSoMoN_: ok - I think I can approve it right away :)
[11:01] <oSoMoN_> gusch: yes, I think it’s safe :)
[11:01] <rafaelement> timp: fine, i will try to be patient and ask again sometime or find  a solution
[11:31]  * oSoMoN gets out for lunch
[11:45] <gusch> om26er: for camera seems to have some random failing tests :( https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/camera-app/camera-update-today-user-metric/+merge/173135
[11:46] <om26er> gusch, hey! looking
[11:46] <gusch> om26er: there was/is a config problem (fixed by mzanetti), but still I have random failing tests from time to time
[11:47] <gusch> om26er: ... on jenkins
[13:21] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: ping
[13:22] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: pong
[13:22] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: was waiting for you to reappear :)
[13:22] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: have you seen my MR that fixes the notes-app ? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/new_theming_fixed/+merge/173139
[13:23] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: yes, I don't get it
[13:23] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: I don't see the type property used anywhere
[13:23] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: only the type role in the model
[13:23] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: in MixedEdit.setCurrentTextItem()
[13:24] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: at the very end of the function, if (item.item.type [13:24] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: well done
[13:24] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: ok, happroved
[13:24] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: :)
[13:24] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: the thing I really don’t get is how the tests were passing before, as this is clearly a bug that was already there in the code
[13:25] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: indeed
[13:25] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: puzzling
[13:25] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: this week was breakage week unfortunately.
[13:26] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: but I can’t be bothered spending more time to investigate, as long as the app works again
[13:26] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: indeed
[13:26] <oSoMoN> got other priorities
[13:28] <seb128> Kaleo_, hey ... "The default height of Button has changed as per design.", is there anyone specifically in design I should ping with screenshots/to ask opinion if I find the design changes to look weird?
[13:31] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: with the new simplified theming infrastructure, can I style a ListItem.Header ?
[13:31] <Kaleo_> seb128: ask Rosie
[13:31] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: no
[13:31] <seb128> Kaleo_, thanks
[13:31] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: ListItems are still not themable
[13:31] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: what's your need?
[13:32] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: the latest visual design for the browser’s timeline view has the list headers with a different background color, but I think I know how to achieve that easily
[13:34] <oSoMoN> confirmed, making the item a rectangle and putting the Header inside it works
[13:34] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: can you show me the mockup?
[13:37] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: forwarded to you the visuals by e-mail
[13:38] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: thx
[13:39] <Kaleo_> timp: I replied to your comments
[13:42] <timp> Kaleo_: I saw. The MR is not done yet, right?
[13:42] <Kaleo_> timp: there is only one remaining fix; the background color
[13:42] <timp> Kaleo_: PaletteValues is not documented yet
[13:42] <Kaleo_> timp: and that
[13:42] <Kaleo_> timp: indeed
[13:42] <Kaleo_> timp: how is the rest?
[13:43] <timp> Kaleo_: looks good. only the property names in PaletteValues are not intuitive for me. Documenting them may help there, or relating the colors to the colors used in http://people.canonical.com/~kaleo/themes.png
[13:44] <om26er> wow whats' wrong with jenkins, the change has already been merged in trunk but it also seem the merge proposal is still there
[13:45] <Kaleo_> timp: yes, I'm thinking that 1) we add textual doc to the properties
[13:45] <timp> Kaleo_: now each Palette has 20 colors, I'm not sure we need that many
[13:45] <Kaleo_> timp: 2) once design has a design guidelines page ready, we link to it
[13:45] <Kaleo_> timp: hmm, do youo see many redundancies?
[13:47] <timp> Kaleo_: I count only around 5 colors per theme, plus gradients but I didn't check for different opacities with the same color
[13:51] <Kaleo_> timp: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5846810/
[13:51] <Kaleo_> timp: your counting is odd
[13:51] <Kaleo_> timp: that's 8 colors
[13:53] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: it might well be that should be the default design for list item header
[13:53] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN:  need to ask Rosie
[13:55] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: ok, in the meantime I’ll go for a custom header component that embeds the default one, will be easy enough to replace with the default one in the future if needed
[13:58] <timp> Kaleo_: I missed the background and overlay colors. I don't see them listed in Themes.png
[13:59] <timp> Kaleo_: I was counting from that image
[14:02] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: that's not cool
[14:02] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: let's ask Rosie
[14:02] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: and that way you don't have to do anything
[14:03] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: aside from asking her
[14:18] <Kaleo_> timp: so what's your conclusion?
[14:22] <Laney> Halp - the toolkit started failing to build like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5846911/
[14:27] <timp> Kaleo_: I get the same. And Totals: 61 passed, 0 failed, 0 skipped
[14:27] <timp> 61 passed for trunk
[14:27] <Kaleo_> timp: ok, fixing
[14:27] <Kaleo_> timp: by removing, I think it's silly to check the colors
[14:28] <timp> ok
[14:29] <Kaleo_> timp: jenkins does not fail probably because it's that special folder for X11 tests that it probably does not run for lack of X11 (tests/unit_x11)
[14:29] <Kaleo_> timp: pushed
[14:29] <timp> Kaleo_: I see that this test is the only place where that property is checked to be part of the API
[14:30] <Kaleo_> timp: I guess that the only remaining thing is the documentation
[14:30] <Kaleo_> timp: no, components.api does that automatically
[14:30] <timp> ah but we have an API check now
[14:30] <timp> yes :)
[14:30] <Kaleo_> timp: thanks for your good review
[14:31] <Kaleo_> timp: ckpringle is writing up the colors docstrings as we speak
[14:32] <timp> Kaleo_: you have this still FIXME: 'background' does not come from design, do you plan to remove that in this MR?
[14:33] <Kaleo_> timp: nope
[14:33] <Kaleo_> timp: later
[14:33] <timp> ok
[14:34] <Kaleo_> timp: and if you want to have fun, check out https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/dark_gradient_themes
[14:35] <timp> Kaleo_: one last thing, did you test it with some apps on device? I have some custom versions of packages installed on my device so it is a bit of a hassle to test it
[14:35] <Kaleo_> timp: not really, only on desktop, but colors have not really changed much
[14:39] <Kaleo_> Laney: working now?
[14:39] <Laney> nope
[14:39] <Laney> reverting commits until I get to the one which caused it
[14:42] <seb128> Kaleo_, hum, the new toolkit daily broke button, they show as void space ...
[14:42] <seb128> Kaleo_, is that a known issue?
[14:43] <seb128> Kaleo_, unping :p
[14:43] <Kaleo_> seb128: reported, fixed, fix merged
[14:43] <Kaleo_> :)
[14:44] <seb128> Kaleo_, we just need it in saucy then ;-)
[14:44] <Kaleo_> yes
[14:44] <seb128> Kaleo_, did we get a test with the fix to make sure next time landing fails in such cases? ;-)
[14:46] <timp> Kaleo_: qmlscene -I works fine for trunk, I wonder what is causing the problem with the color_palette
[14:46] <Laney> hrm, it's my r576: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/crossfadeimage/revision/576
[14:48] <Kaleo_> timp: thinking
[14:48] <Kaleo_> Laney: :)
[14:48] <Laney> can you see anything wrong?
[14:49] <Laney> I can't see errors in the build log
[14:54] <oSoMoN> renato__, boiko: would one of you have time to have a quick look at https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/update-tabsview-label/+merge/172972 and approve it? Günther was reviewing it, and it was pending input from Jouni, and I got the answer to the question, but it looks like Günter has left already…
[14:55] <boiko> oSoMoN: is it fine if I review it in a couple hours?
[14:57] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: you should use UbuntuColors.orange
[14:57] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: though it might break at some point..
[14:58] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: true, but I’ll do the transition to UbuntuColors in one go over the whole code base, if you don’t mind
[14:59] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: sure
[14:59] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: I hope jouni thought about what it means for the color palette
[15:00] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: ie. what color in the palette that should correspond to
[15:00] <renato__> timp, Kaleo_ , any plans for a combobox widget in the SDK?
[15:00] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: I’m sure he did
[15:00] <Kaleo_> renato__: yes, well it depends what you mean exactly
[15:00] <timp> renato__: no but we have the ValueSelector
[15:00] <Kaleo_> renato__: do you have a screenshot?
[15:00] <Kaleo_> renato__: mockup..
[15:00] <timp> haha :) opposite answers
[15:01] <renato__> Kaleo_, yes give me a minute I will share it with you
[15:01] <renato__> Kaleo_, timp this is different from value selector
[15:01] <renato__> Kaleo_, I just sent a e-mail to you
[15:02] <renato__> Kaleo_, take a look on  "Ubuntu_Contacts_Profile_Edit_01.jpg"
[15:02] <oSoMoN> boiko: sure, there’s absolutely no rush, I just want to make sure it doesn’t bitrot while Günter is away
[15:02] <boiko> oSoMoN: ok, I'll handle it today still then
[15:03] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[15:04] <Kaleo_> timp: http://people.canonical.com/~kaleo/Ubuntu_Contacts_Profile_Edit_01.jpg
[15:04] <Kaleo_> renato__: so the thing lwon the left?
[15:05] <Kaleo_> renato__: where you can select the type?
[15:05] <renato__> Kaleo_, yes and in the bottom, where you can select the Ring tone and Text tone
[15:07] <timp> those in the bottom might be new visuals for the current valueselector
[15:07] <timp> but the other ones on the left cannot be done with what we have now
[15:08] <timp> did rosie/calumn approve these designs? they are the pattern police
[15:08] <timp> ;)
[15:09] <Kaleo_> renato__: I believe that nic is working on that
[15:10] <Kaleo_> renato__: confirming now
[15:10] <Kaleo_> renato__: who is your visual designer?
[15:10] <renato__> Kaleo_, christina
[15:10] <Kaleo_> renato__: I did not know Christina did visual design
[15:10] <Kaleo_> renato__: interaction design for sure
[15:11] <Kaleo_> renato__: but actually that's even better
[15:11] <Kaleo_> renato__: I really meant interaction designer :)
[15:11] <Kaleo_> nic-doffay: thanks!
[15:11] <Kaleo_> renato__: nic-doffay confirms
[15:12] <renato__> Kaleo_, nic-doffay , whe this will be ready to use?
[15:12] <renato__> *when
[15:12] <nic-doffay> renato__, as soon as the themes and one or two additional features are implemented, not to mention the documentation being done.
[15:13] <Kaleo_> renato__: and about the fact that the app is using the dark theme; you won't have to do much; you can develop with the light theme and next week the dark theme will land with for you the option to make it the theme the phone app uses
[15:13] <renato__> Kaleo_, great
[15:15] <Kaleo_> renato__: also for widgets that are not in the toolkit (custom widgets) you should use the theme color palette when possible so that your widget will respond appropriately to changes in the theme
[15:15] <Kaleo_> renato__: it's going to land in a couple of hours (the color palette)
[15:16] <Kaleo_> renato__: and I'll make an email next week
[15:16] <renato__> Kaleo_, ok thanks
[15:18] <timp> renato__, Kaleo_ the selectors at the bottom for ringtone and texttone are the the new style for optionselector (now named valueselector)
[15:18] <timp> so that needs no new component
[15:19] <timp> the other, "small" selectors on the left seem odd to me to have on a phone. what would it look like expanded?
[15:22] <renato__> timp, if nic-doffay  is already creating a new component I do not see the point of use the valueselector since
[15:22] <renato__> the components looks the same with different sizes
[15:24] <timp> I mean it IS a valueselector, just the naming changed in the design documents
[15:24] <timp> Option selector in this doc: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1cg9ruHiEpRynEr_Ipf39Z0MQINEWoChIN-d111yx-Qw/edit#
[15:24] <timp> and the visuals need to be updated in the UITK
[15:27] <renato__> timp, something that I notice on the valueselector (I do not is is already fixed) is that it does not scroll, for example if you the options is bigger than the screen is not possible to select a option that is not visible on the screen
[15:27] <nic-doffay> renato__, that's the first thing I'm implementing after the themes
[15:27] <nic-doffay> for the option selector
[15:28] <timp> Kaleo_: I built and installed color_palette UITK on tablet, and the unselected titles in the tabs header now have white text
[15:28] <timp> which is wrong
[15:31] <renato__> Kaleo_, something that I will need, ( I need to check with christina) is the file choose dialog , for change the contact avatar. What do you have in mind for that?
[15:33] <renato__> Kaleo_, forget about it, this probably will use the content picker
[15:34] <Kaleo_> timp: in what app?
[15:34] <timp> phone-app and gallery-app
[15:36] <timp> Kaleo_: and calendar-app; probably all
[15:38] <Kaleo_> timp: odd, I don't reproduce on the desktop
[15:38] <Kaleo_> timp: let me see
[15:40] <Laney> finally building again
[15:40] <Laney> hope it still works
[15:43] <renato__> Kaleo_, matt steven is the visual designer for the contact-app
[15:44] <Kaleo_> renato__: cool; don't know him
[15:49] <timp> Kaleo_: I tried with gallery-app on desktop, and it does not have the white titles
[15:49] <timp> Kaleo_: but in the tabs header, the chevron used to be the color of the unselected titles when the tabs header is active, that is no longer the case
[15:49] <timp> very subtle difference
[15:51] <Kaleo_> timp: right, so I'm testing on the device
[15:56] <Kaleo_> timp: for the subtle difference you noticed, I think we can live with it and I will fix it when I get to updating the visual design of the tabsz
[15:56] <Kaleo_> -z
[15:59] <oSoMoN> boiko: Günther approved my MR, no need for a review anymore
[16:00] <timp> Kaleo_: ok. I didn't know we would get new visuals for tabs
[16:00] <Kaleo_> timp: slight updates for everything
[16:01] <Kaleo_> timp:  i see the white tabs
[16:01] <Kaleo_> timp: on the phone
[16:01] <Kaleo_> timp: but I don't see any error message on the console!
[16:05] <odra> Kaleo_: What do you have against white tabs???
[16:07] <Kaleo_> odra: :)
[16:09] <Kaleo_> timp: I'm 99% sure I know
[16:10] <Kaleo_> timp: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32238
[16:12] <timp> ohh
[16:13] <timp> Kaleo_: in which file is headerTextColor defined now?
[16:13] <Kaleo_> timp: actually it's not that bug
[16:13] <Kaleo_> timp: in NewTabBar.qml
[16:13] <Kaleo_> timp: or it is...
[16:14] <timp> it used to be in the qmltheme
[16:14] <timp> yes, the property is defined there, but its value?
[16:16] <Kaleo_> timp: in TabsStyle.qml
[16:16] <timp> ok, found it in TabsStyle
[16:16] <odra> I feel isolated because everyone here seems to code for phone.
[16:21] <Kaleo_> timp: I'm lost: if I assing to the Label.color property in NewTabBar the value from the theme directly #81888888
[16:22] <Kaleo_> timp: then it's still broken & white
[16:22] <odra> #81888888?
[16:23] <odra> Isn't there two digits too many?
[16:23] <Kaleo_> odra: no
[16:23] <Kaleo_> odra: it's the alpha channel
[16:24] <odra> Which is?
[16:24] <timp> odra: the opacity
[16:24] <odra> I mean which digits :p
[16:26] <Kaleo_> odra: the firsts 2
[16:26] <Kaleo_> -s
[16:31] <Kaleo_> timp: alright, found the bug
[16:31] <Kaleo_> timp: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5847291/
[16:35] <timp> :s
[16:35] <timp> how come we never noticed that before?
[16:36] <timp> well in the tabs we had a separate opacity property, but in other places
[16:37] <Kaleo_> timp: maybe it works with Qt.rgba()
[16:38] <timp> Kaleo_: nope
[16:38] <Kaleo_> timp: nope
[16:38] <Kaleo_> timp: darn
[16:39] <Kaleo_> timp: the issue with qmlscene tests/resources/tabs/Tabs.qml
[16:39] <Kaleo_> timp: I think it's also in trunk
[16:39] <Kaleo_> timp: I pushed the docstrings for the propertiez
[16:39] <Kaleo_> +s
[16:39] <Kaleo_> timp: now digging in Qt's bug tracker for that color bug
[16:40] <timp> Kaleo_: color: "#81888888"
[16:40] <timp> ^ only fails for text
[16:40] <Kaleo_> timp:  ah ah
[16:40] <timp> for Rectangle it works fine
[16:41] <Kaleo_> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-30246
[16:41] <Kaleo_> timp: but only on some platforms/architecture
[16:46] <Kaleo_> timp: so to summarize; there are only 2 issues left with the MR: this Qt bug we need to fix & this strange import path issue
[16:46] <Kaleo_> timp: right?
[16:46] <timp> yes
[16:47] <Kaleo_> timp: ok, so Monday then
[16:47] <timp> ok
[16:47] <Kaleo_> timp: oh hang on
[16:47] <Kaleo_> idea for a wrk around
[16:47] <Kaleo_> in Label.qml
[16:47] <Kaleo_> opacity: color.a
[16:49] <Kaleo_> timp: of course that's not enough
[16:49] <Kaleo_> timp: the color if cooked
[16:50] <Kaleo_> timp: ok, Monday
[16:50] <Kaleo_> timp: thanks for you help
[16:51] <timp> yw
[17:13] <surgemcgee> Does the tools toolbar iconSource use a units.gu() like resize method?
[17:34] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch apps don't open on Desktop 13.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/316760
[22:26] <AskUbuntu> Programmatically Present Windows (Invoke Window Picker) in Compiz | http://askubuntu.com/q/316857
[23:42] <AskUbuntu> Possible to download packaged deb file before final publishing on myapps portal? | http://askubuntu.com/q/316890


[01:09] <weblife> Anyone interested in reviewing a tutorials code for an Express based CRM application.  I want ensure I am using some of the best practices around before I start to elaborate on the code itself in the article I am righting?  It works fine but I want to teach only good practices, even though I think mine are great!
[01:10] <weblife> It is going to be part of a bigger series for deployment with Juju
[14:52] <weblife> If anyone has input on code for a tutorial guide I am putting together for an Express based CRM using Node.js and MongoDB, I would greatly appreciate it. The code: https://github.com/webbrandon/simple-secure-auth
[22:13] <thumper> avoine: how close is the python-django charm that supports django 1.7 and python 3?
[22:13] <thumper> avoine: bonus points for virtual envs too...
[22:13]  * thumper would like to use it now...


[12:18]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[14:39] <mac_v> MacSlow: hi... you mentioned long back that there would be gconf for setting the color of the bubble background or the size of the text in Karmic... did those options make it?
[14:39] <MacSlow> mac_v, not yet in trunk
[14:40] <MacSlow> mac_v, but trying hard to get them into this weeks realease
[14:40] <mac_v> MacSlow: great :) thanks
[18:38] <mccann> hi tedg
[18:39] <tedg> Good afternoon mccann
[18:39] <mccann> i'm not sure if you still work on inkscape stuff or not but do you have any thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/406578?comments=all ?
[18:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 406578 in inkscape "use correct Name and GenericName in desktop file" [Undecided,New]
[18:40] <mccann> I'm not even sure I posted the bug to the right place
[18:42] <tedg> mccann: Looks good to me.
[18:42] <tedg> We're in a string freeze... I'll post it to devel.
[18:42] <mccann> oh i should update that with the Fullname thing too... doing now
[18:44] <tedg> Long story about how I can't get mail for Inkscape bugs, for some reason Evolution won't see that IMAP folder...
[18:46] <mccann> ok i've updated the bug now
[18:46] <tedg> mccann: Cool, sent mail to -devel.