[19:31] <blami> tekk: because nm is something that constantly watches your network situation (hotplug events which trigger ifup/ifdown are not)
[19:32] <ctjctj> what is the best way to capture the startup text?
[19:32] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: No, leave the boot loader alone. Click on "Change..."
[19:32] <ctjctj> boot startup text.
[19:33] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, ok, I see two fields, "size" and "use as" - "use as" has a dropdown list
[19:34] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: systemd ? ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot,
[19:34] <blami> ctjctj: journalctl -b -0
[19:35] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, blami 14.04LTS
[19:35] <ctjctj> no journalctl :-(
[19:35] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: The "use as" should be set to "/"
[19:35] <sudhirkhanger> Should my swap size be in GB or GiB?
[19:35] <blami> ctjctj: dmesg
[19:36] <blami> ctjctj: dmasg should do - at least for kernel messages
[19:36] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: sadly, in my experience upstart does not have that capability . Best I have been able to come up with is to pause the boot screen while booting .
[19:36] <ctjctj> blami, unfortunately I'm trying to capture the output of the upstart scripts.
[19:36] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, yeah, about where I'm at.
[19:37] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I only get a drop down list, can't set ot to "/"
[19:37] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: What does the dropdown list contain?
[19:37] <elichai2> I have a problem, My Ubuntu stopped working after I've updated some stuff and now I get the BusyBox-initramfs screen on boot
[19:37] <elichai2> Google search told me to restore superblocks, but I have encrypted LVM and when I mount it via Live-CD it works fine
[19:38] <elichai2> ideas on how to fix?
[19:38] <pirata> !ciao
[19:38] <blami> ctjctj: aren't they in /var/syslog?
[19:39] <blami> ctjctj: afaik if you change loglevel to info `% sudo initctl log-priority info`
[19:39] <ctjctj> blami, not that I can verify.
[19:39] <Firefly67> many options, "do not use partition", "ext4 journaling file system", etc. This screenshot is not mine, but it suggests I choose "ext4 journaling file system"? https://i.stack.imgur.com/5JkQX.png
[19:39] <Firefly67> ^tdannecy_
[19:39] <ctjctj> blami, hmmm.
[19:39] <blami> ctjctj: messages from services should go either to syslog or /var/log/boot.log
[19:40] <blami> ctjctj: I don't remember much about upstart, however
[19:41] <elichai2> someone?
[19:41] <blami> ctjctj: there was also per-service log somewhere in /var/log, would expect /var/log/upstart but that's a mere wild guess
[19:41] <LinuxNovice> hello... the problem got solved in 16.10
[19:42] <pirata> lista
[19:42] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, Great!
[19:42] <pirata> !list
[19:42] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: :))
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> very happy now.
[19:42] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, so upgrade to 16.10 and you are done!
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> yes. Great.
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> thanks guys. for your help.
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot.
[19:43] <LinuxNovice> will install 16.10 now.
[19:43] <sudhirkhanger> Should I create my swap in the middle or on one end of the disk if I may be looking at expanding it in future if hibernate requires more?
[19:44] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: Just keep in mind that soon from 16.10 will need to release-upgrade to 17.04. As soon as 17.04 is available .
[19:44] <ctjctj> blami, Yes!  boot.log.  Thank you thank you.
[19:44] <LinuxNovice> ok. that will be even better.
[19:44] <elichai2> anyone? please?
[19:45] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, don't torment the boy like that!
[19:45] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, Lubuntu or Xubuntu for my laptop?
[19:45] <blami> sudhirkhanger: if you plan to expand it its always better to place it after partition you plan to shrink in order to get more space
[19:45] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, stick with Lubuntu.  It is what you are already use to.
[19:45] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: :) . But LinuxNovice Not a big deal huh ?
[19:45] <LinuxNovice> I have used Xubuntu also.
[19:45] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice then it is your choice.  Not mine.
[19:46] <ctjctj> That's the problem with Linux.  The answer is always "well pick one...."
[19:46] <LinuxNovice> I mentioned the specs of my laptop.
[19:46] <LinuxNovice> which one suits it better. It is very old.
[19:46] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: That screenshot you attached is what you're looking for. You need an ext journaling file system with the mount point set to /
[19:47] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, did you see my post above?
[19:47] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, ummm, you are speaking to a guy that use to run slackware '96 on a P100.... Even if I spent the time to research the specs on your laptop it isn't up to me to choose which will feel best for you.
[19:47] <Firefly67> oh ok
[19:47] <LinuxNovice> after this I don't want to keep changing the distros. Need to get on with my work.
[19:47] <ctjctj> I'm just as likely to be an arse and say something like "bohi" or "mint"
[19:47] <sudhirkhanger> blami: my setup is going to be efi---root---swap or efi---swap----root. If I have to shrink which config is going to be easier former or the latter.
[19:47] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, then stick with Lubuntu which you have been using.
[19:47] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, other pages suggest I should have a swap partition, and I don't have one. Shouldn't I create one?
[19:47] <blami> LinuxNovice: no big deal, you can install xfce to lubuntu by just installing xubuntu-desktop metapackage afaik
[19:47] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, ok
[19:48] <Firefly67> like this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/490801/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-14-04-without-losing-data-on-a-windows-7-pc-physically
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> blami, that's great too.
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> will go for lubuntu
[19:48] <blami> sudhirkhanger: efi root swap
[19:48] <sudhirkhanger> ok thanks
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot, guys. again.
[19:49] <elichai2> if I get initramfs how can I know what caused it? (no errors shows up on screen)
[19:50] <blami> elichai2: like when ubuntu does not boot further than to initramfs environment?
[19:51] <elichai2> blami, yes. stuck in BusyBox
[19:53] <blami> elichai2: I don't know anything about those "rescue" options when booting ubuntu. I'd start with pressing e in grub and removing quiet and splash from kernel cmdline to see what's going on from messages ...
[19:53] <elichai2> blami, it's too fast to read
[19:54] <blami> elichai2: and there are no error messages before it drops you to busybox?
[19:54] <sudhirkhanger> blami: any opinions on standard or lvm. I head lvms are easy to move around.
[19:54] <elichai2> It's hard to see
[19:55] <blami> elichai2: my guess is that initramfs is unable to find/mount root filesystem, but can be dozen of other issues
[19:55] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: you have a lot more options with LVM over conventional volumes
[19:55] <elichai2> blami, that's my guess too, but I don't know how to fix that problem
[19:56] <sudhirkhanger> dStruct: I just want to make sure that I can resize swap if more is needed in future for hibernation. Ubuntu installer assigns 16GB for 16GB of RAM. The wiki says I need 20GB.
[19:57] <blami> elichai2: do you see the root device from initramfs environment? I mean is there device node in /dev ?
[19:58] <blami> sudhirkhanger: lvm gives more flexibility
[19:58] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Don't worry about swap. If you have over a gig in ram, you'll be fine.
[19:59] <blami> tdannecy_: he wants to hibernate (not sleep) that imho dumps ram image into swap or something like that
[19:59] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: you should be able to resize the volume regardless of LVM
[19:59] <Fixader> I hope I'm not interrupting any conversation. If so, if anyone is willing to PM me so I don't distract from the topic, that'd be great. I'm really interested in switching to Linux over Windows. I tried Ubuntu studio on another computer and loved it. I was ready to switch right there, the only thing is I'm an audio engineer and Cubase & Pro Tools are my bread an butter. Has anyone successfully ported them in Wine or the like b4?
[20:00] <feneco> when I try to open gnome-software
[20:00] <feneco> I get this error:
[20:00] <feneco> Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: cannot open shared object file: Too many open files
[20:00] <feneco> any ideas?
[20:00] <tdannecy_> Fixader: I think if you're using two or three programs for your daily life, you shouldn't completely switch.  Then you can go from there.
[20:01] <sudhirkhanger> dStruct: I haven't done resizing in ages. In older days it used to take hours. I have to hope it should have improved by leaps and bounds. Standard partitions make more sense for single small disk like mine which is 256GB SSD.
[20:01] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: AFAIK, those aren't ported (I'll have to double check). Running a VM or a dual boot (as tdannecy_ suggested) is probably your best bet.
[20:01] <blami> sudhirkhanger: as swap is salvageable in nolvm environment drill will be: shrink rootfs, grow swap. In lvm there will be also step shrinking the lvm volume holding the filesystem ...
[20:01] <elichai2> blami, I see /dev/sda1 in the initramfs env
[20:01] <blami> sudhirkhanger: what filesystem is your rootfs?
[20:01] <blami> elichai2: is that your root filesystem?
[20:01] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: Otherwise, you'd have to switch software to Linux-friendly FOSS projects like Ardour.
[20:01] <sudhirkhanger> blami: ext4
[20:01] <elichai2> hmm wait, it's /dev/sda5. that's my root
[20:02] <elichai2> /dev/sda1 is the boot partition
[20:02] <blami> sudhirkhanger: then shrinking will be relatively fast
[20:02] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Yeah Ardour looks impressively similar to Cubase in it's newest version. The thing is I don't know if my VSTs would work. That'd be a bummer. But ya, maybe dual boot is ideal. I've just been afraid of accidentally erasing Windows if I set up a dual boot. Is it pretty straight forward?
[20:02] <blami> sudhirkhanger: and should be no problem ... and swap is salvageable (you'll either grow it over space made by shrinking or completely destroy and create new one - and update fstab)
[20:03] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I have 8 GB of RAM, I think conventional wisdom is to assign 4 GM in swap? My old laptop has that. Here is where I read that: http://askubuntu.com/a/49138
[20:03] <quantibility> i went from xubuntu to a fresh install ubuntu, is there any way to transfer certain parts of my previous home folder into my current?
[20:03] <bekks> quantibility: sure, just copy your desired "parts".
[20:03] <elichai2> blami, so?
[20:03] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: I mean, there are a million thoughts about it, but I always run my ubuntu installs with no swap and I've never had an issue. Feel free to add one, but in my experience, a swap drive is not required.
[20:04] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: It's worth dual booting, and then experimenting with the VSTs. I have a similar issue - I have to keep a Mac handy for running my Garritan VSTs, although I feel like there is some sort of compatibility layer in development for Windows/Mac VSTs
[20:04] <quantibility> bekks, so, if i had like a bunch of files just unzip it? cut and paste?
[20:04] <Kman> hi, how to install QT 5.7 in Ubuntu 14.04? via PPA or binary
[20:04] <jwitko> Hey All, question here on ISCSI mounts during a network loss.  I had the following errors come up on a server using an ISCSI connection to a SAN http://cdn.pasteraw.com/j6tsqwua0qhop1cfl59t4spnmmku3z1 .   The issue was easily resolved by unmounting the device using "-f", doing "multipath -F" and "multipath -r", and then remounting the device.  My question is, is there any way that I could have
[20:04] <jwitko> prevented the need for manual intervention here?  Any settings I'm missing that could make iSCSI recover on its own ?
[20:04] <blami> elichai2: i'd try to mount it into /root and drop from busybox to see if it boots fine
[20:04] <sudhirkhanger> Firefly67: I am following SwapFAQ myself. For my 16GB RAM it says to use 20GB Swap if I am looking to hibernate. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_much_swap_do_I_need.3F
[20:04] <blami> elichai2: did you do any partitioning changes?
[20:05] <sudhirkhanger> Thanks blami and dStruct
[20:05] <bekks> quantibility: Did you zip them before?
[20:05] <quantibility> yes
[20:05] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: :D
[20:05] <elichai2> blami, no
[20:05] <bekks> quantibility: So unzip them :P
[20:05] <elichai2> the thing is how do I mount it without cryptsetup
[20:05] <Kman> hi, how to install QT 5.7 in Ubuntu 14.04? via PPA or binary
[20:05] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Good advice, thanks man/woman! Lol, screen names, I never know how to attribute. Do you use Ardour much then? And, so when I install Ubuntu it'll just have a dual boot option?
[20:05] <quantibility> oh so if i unsip em anywhere i should be good enough for me to sifft through?
[20:06] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: I'm a dude. And, I use Ardour a little bit...not as much as I would like, though. (I haven't been able to get it working w/ my audio drivers on this laptop yet).
[20:06] <blami> elichai2: well that little bit complicates things ... I understand now
[20:06] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: As far as dual boot goes, it depends on your version of Windows. There are dual boot tutorials around.......
[20:06] <Firefly67> sudhirkhanger, I only have 256 GB total and only like 90 GB for Ubuntu, I certainly don't want to devote 20 GB to swap, but it is suggested in the link that I posted that you need 4 GB swap if you have 8 GB RAM, so I might want that, though I'm not sure if that's necessary, as tdaneecy_ says
[20:06] <blami> elichai2: problem probably is that your initramfs does not have cryptsetup
[20:06] <blami> elichai2: can you run cryptsetup?
[20:07] <quantibility> bekks, what my problem was before is i some how messed up my working home folder name and current screen name with the system, it seemed off with the permissions.. i screwed up somewhere.. anyhow. now im working off of authoring and setting up mystem before i make a new working defualt of my current set up..
[20:07] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: Your best bet may be to stick with Ubuntu Studio for your purposes, tho. The low latency kernel and the audio setup is helpful. You can totally install those on any other Ubuntu distro, of course, but pre-packaged is nice. :3
[20:07] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: What version of Windows do you have?
[20:08] <bekks> quantibility: I have no clue what you are talking about.
[20:08] <bekks> quantibility: Create a folder, unzip your zip-file into that folder, done.
[20:08] <blami> Firefly67: will he be able to dump e.g. 12GB of occupied memory to swap then when hibernating?
[20:08] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Cool, I will do that! I hope these n00b questions aren't too annoying haha. I'm running Windows 8.1
[20:08] <elichai2> blami, no
[20:08] <blami> elichai2: so now we have culprit
[20:08] <Firefly67> blami, I don't have much of an opinion or understanding of swap
[20:09] <blami> Firefly67: it's not about swap. Hibernation uses swap partition to dump ram before powering off
[20:09] <quantibility> bekks, thanks for your help.
[20:09] <quantibility> now that i wait for all this to unzip.
[20:09] <sudhirkhanger> Firefly67: my understanding is if you are not looking for hibernating and or photo/video editing then go with minimal swap.
[20:10] <Firefly67> so trying to decide whether or not I want swap - seems to be important only when hibernating. If it is useful even in some rare cases, I would like to have a small swap, given I am not tech savvy and I wouldn't know what to do if things go wrong.
[20:10] <blami> Firefly67: I heard rule is to have at least RAM + 2G to be able to hibernate even in case the memory is full (e.g. lot of docker images running)
[20:10] <_adb> ubuntu server 14.04.5. attempting to join wireless (WPA encrypted) network on boot. when the system is starting up, it hangs "waiting 60 more seconds for network configuration", then times out and completes booting without ever getting a connection. once booted up, however, i can log in and `ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0` will successfully join. why wouldn't this work on its own at startup?
[20:10] <blami> Firefly67: for ordinary use you'll hardly need swap with 8G of RAM
[20:10] <blami> Firefly67: 2-4G for safety reasons is fine, I think
[20:11] <Firefly67> is it possible to add swap later if needed, or is that complicated?
[20:11] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: I run a 1gb swap because I have 16gb of ram, it works fine on Debian for my purposes
[20:11] <blami> Firefly67: it's easy and you don't even need partition I think  (as long as you're not on btrfs)
[20:11] <blami> Firefly67: you can just create sparse flat file and mount it as swap
[20:12] <blami> dStruct: I am running swapless on 16gb machine
[20:12] <blami> dStruct: no problems as well
[20:12] <dStruct> blami: I've done that as well, I probably could have since my machine literally never touches the swap
[20:12] <Firefly67> my current laptop, which I have had for 3 years, has swap, and I have never had any issues with RAM, so I am inclined to add it, but idk if lack of issues was due to presence of swap or just the machine being a good one
[20:12] <sudhirkhanger> dStruct: that's what I have been reading if you are not hibernating and or doing memory intensive work only a minimal amount of swap is needed.
[20:12] <Firefly67> but can that minimal amount be 0?
[20:13] <dStruct> sudhirkhanger: if you don't plan on hibernating, you can just use sleep, or shut the machine down, with a SSD it only takes seconds to boot back up
[20:13] <sudhirkhanger> Nop don't go with 0.
[20:13] <blami> dStruct: problem is not speed of boot but losing the session
[20:13] <Firefly67> but people seem to report they've run with 0 with no harm done
[20:13] <sudhirkhanger> Firefly67: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_do_I_need_swap.3F
[20:13] <blami> dStruct: I hate even reboots
[20:14] <_adb> /etc/network/interfaces includes "auto wlan0\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\n wpa-ssid <ssid>\n wpa-psk <passphrase>"
[20:14] <dStruct> blami: I shut down on a regular basis to keep my encrypted volume locked when I'm not around
[20:14] <feneco> any idea where this can come from? http://termbin.com/ey4p
[20:15] <blami> dStruct: Understood. On my laptop - this is why I hibernate and not sleep
[20:15] <sudhirkhanger> Is it common for installer partition editor to leave 1mb or 0mb free spaces between partitions.
[20:15] <CodeMouse92> Fixader: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[20:15] <dStruct> blami: hibernation does not lock encrypted volumes tho..
[20:16] <vitimiti> Is there a way for Nautilus to give my "New file" option back? It's making me mad having to use the console to create a new file
[20:16] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[20:16] <Cust0sLimen> what is ubuntu's default mode ?
[20:16] <blami> dStruct: It does depending on setup. I have encrypted LVM of (btrfs, swap). RAM is dumped to swap which is encrypted, then turned off. When I boot again I need to unlock whole LVM and THEN restore image. Neat. Safe.
[20:16] <Cust0sLimen> default selinux mode I mean
[20:16] <Firefly67> I would like to add 4 GB swap, how do I do that?
[20:16] <blami> dStruct: much safer than just sleep and screenlock
[20:17] <dStruct> blami: oh very nice indeed, I just have my root and swap LVM'd and 512-bit encrypted
[20:17] <Cust0sLimen> oh by default no selinux
[20:17] <Cust0sLimen> fair enough
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:21] <_adb> ....i can put @reboot root /sbin/ifdown wlan0 && /sbin/ifup wlan0 in
[20:21] <vitimiti> Seriously, though, has the GNOME team flat out removed the Nautilus option to create a new file?
[20:21] <_adb> my /etc/crontab, but this is a horrible solution.... any ideas?
[20:22] <Fixader> @CodeMouse92 Thanks!
[20:22] <blami> elichai2: problem is that your initramfs has no cryptsetup - did you change kernel or something?
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> vitimiti, just joine here so missed your chat, but I doubt it
[20:22] <vitimiti> No, yeah, it's missing
[20:23] <blami> elichai2: usually these things should be automatically included as long as your rootfs is encrypted and properly stated in /etc/crypttab
[20:23] <vitimiti> Just checked the Arch wiki, too, you have to add a script
[20:23] <Firefly67> is swap going to be relevant for hibernation in only ubuntu, or also for windows hibernation?
[20:24] <xangua> Firefly67: Linux only
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, uhmm a Linux swap is Linux only
[20:24] <Firefly67> I see, I never hibernate ubuntu
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, however whilst I Was uh deleting WIndows 10  since re installing things on al p top, but whilst I  did that yesterday
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I noticed Windows 10 seems to have some kind of swap file program or something
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> by default built in
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, if you have lots of ram, and not going to hibernate or suspend LInux, well it's herbinate that swap needs, but yeah if not going to do that, then I guess no need for swap with lots of ram
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, how much RAM?  also you could add a swap file yourself later if suddenly you want swap, in fact Ubuntu is going to do swap files only I read, and drop the swap partition
[20:26] <Firefly67> I have 8 GB of RAM
[20:26] <elichai2> blami, it should. the problem is tools like Boot-Repair don't handle encryption
[20:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, well then what I put above, and you decide
[20:27] <elichai2> so how can I regenerate /etc/crypttab + fstab + grub acording to the encryption and correct UUID's
[20:27] <Firefly67> and only 256 GB SSD, of which Windows is taking up a lot, so I am only left with 90 GB for Ubuntu, so I don't want to waste space if possible
[20:28] <xangua> Then don't, make 4 GB swap
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, then don't bother with swap
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, not going to hibernate anyway etc and lots of ram
[20:28] <Firefly67> xangua, how do I make a 4 GB swap
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in custom install
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or  a swap file
[20:28] <aka> hello , i had an issue in Grub 2
[20:29] <vitimiti> SebthreeBQM10HD, Windows uses "Pagination", it's different from Swap
[20:29] <aka> it doesn't boot windows 10 and just restart every time i choose it
[20:29] <Firefly67> I am just afraid once everything is installed I won't be able to tweak things further, I am not an expert at computer/system administration
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, oh you don't have an install yet?
[20:30] <Firefly67> are you saying 4 GB swap should be easy to make later on, if needed?
[20:30] <Firefly67> no, I am installing now
[20:30] <Firefly67> no swap yet
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, ok you make a swap partion now and continue installing, or you go without
[20:30] <Firefly67> wondering whether to add
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I have ran fine with 1gb ram and no swap,  but I guess i dind't hibernate
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, swap file could be added later, Ubuntu 17.04 or was it 17.10 will do swap file by default not partiiton
[20:31] <Firefly67> here is my gparted screen: http://imgur.com/a/YTmnE
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I read
[20:31] <aka> hello ,who is good at technical issues of grub2 ?
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I'll probably put some swap in myself when getting to the linux stage,  trying to get al tpo pall re set up windows and linux, well slowly getting there.  but  it only has 2gb ram so, with a samller amount of ram swap makes more sense
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or is it 4gbb ram I got hmm
[20:32] <bekks> !ask | aka
[20:33] <Firefly67> brb
[20:33] <lollololiooolom> ciao
[20:33] <aka> okay bekks and ubottu , i have windows 10 and ubutun but when i choose windows 10 to boot from grub 2 it just restart the pc
[20:33] <lollololiooolom> !list
[20:35] <aka> bekks: ubottu : so how i can fix it ?
[20:36] <beatsteak> Guys, I don't even know where to start. I got k-lined on freenode. Is there still an issue with Quassel? It doesn't even load the GUI anymore on 16.10, although it does start and connect to the freenode server in the background. Also, the Polaris IRC client seems to be nastily broken.  What's the process name of Polaris? I didn't find any when I tried for
[20:36] <elichai2> blami, ok, I get volume group not found
[20:37] <beatsteak> ... way to close Polaris, I had to reboot the machine! Also, why is there no thermald shipped with the network install image? I had to manually install it?
[20:37] <crippledmonk> aka: take a look here. Mabey it will help? No guarantee but worth a look. http://askubuntu.com/questions/725290/grub-windows-10-doesnt-start-anymore
[20:38] <aka> crippledmonk: i remove grub and reinstall it and still the same issue
[20:39] <crippledmonk> have you run sudo update-grub
[20:39] <aka> yea
[20:40] <aka> crippledmonk: when i type /boot/grub/grub.cfg at terminal give me permission denied
[20:40] <crippledmonk> are you running it with sudo or just /boot/....
[20:40] <jwitko> Hey All,  if I have a multipath iSCSI setup on a server and the server has a total network failure (all paths in the mpath I/O go down), is there any way for this to automatically recover when the network is restored?  Currently I've been having to unmount the stale mount (due to I/O network loss errors), flush and reset multipath, and then remount the device.  Wondering if there are some
[20:40] <jwitko> settings or recovery options I'm missing that would make this work?  It seems like the iscsi sessions recover gracefully but linux isn't happy until the mount is removed and brought back?
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, it's eaiser to work with gpart the partition editir, if going to make a swap of a certian size and such first
[20:41] <aka> just boot
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, gparted
[20:42] <crippledmonk> aka: preceed with sudo then the /boot/grub.... stuff
[20:43] <_adb> is there a version of https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-connect.html document, for example, that is written for server installs that do not have X? "click the network menu in the menu bar" ain't gonna work for me, and i'm coming up empty looking for the relevant config files in /etc/
[20:43] <aka> command not found
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD>
[20:44] <aka> crippledmonk: do you know the main reason for it
[20:44] <ikonia> aka: it's not a command
[20:44] <ikonia> aka: that it a config file that should not be manually manipulated
[20:45] <crippledmonk> aka: well if your trying to edit eh config file you need to choose an editor to use. nano if you're running in terminal for example gksu gedit if you want a gui program etc.
[20:46] <crippledmonk> aka: I would suggest not messing to much if you are unsure.
[20:46] <aka> i am not expert , and i amnot sure but i want to fix that issue ,
[20:49] <aka> here what happened , first i install ubuntu then i was booting both well , but i try to customize Grub 2 screen and install grub 2 customizer and windows doesn't boot since it
[20:51] <aka> crippledmonk: ikonia: here what happened , first i install ubuntu then i was booting both well , but i try to customize Grub 2 screen and install grub 2 customizer and windows doesn't boot since it
[20:52] <ikonia> aka: so you broke grub
[20:53] <ikonia> aka: undo what you did
[20:53] <crippledmonk> sudo apt-get remove grub-customizer  mabey.
[20:53] <aka> ikonia: i remove grub then and install it again and still the same issue
[20:54] <ikonia> aka: not properly it would seem
[20:55] <aka> so i remove grub customizer , should i remove grub and reinstall it again ?
[20:56] <ikonia> aka: depends what grub customizer changed
[20:57] <aka> i remove timeout and remove memetest from boot list to have only windows 10 and ubuntu
[20:58] <ikonia> aka: so it's only windows 10 thats not booting
[20:58] <aka> yes
[20:59] <aka> it get me a black screen then restart the pc
[20:59] <ikonia> aka: so you need to look at the windows 10 boot option you need to look at
[20:59] <aka> how then ?
[20:59] <ikonia> aka: look in the grub config about what it's trying to do when it boots windows 10
[20:59] <aka> how then to look , sorry i am not expert
[21:00] <ikonia> aka: look at the grub.cfg file you where told to earlier
[21:00] <dStruct> Winblows 10 is a nightmare, they're trying to hard to be like Apple and Mac OSX, when you install it, it then shares a bunch of your personal information, contacts, accounts, browsing history, etc with Micro$oft
[21:02] <aka> here what i type "sudo /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:02] <aka> "
[21:02] <aka> sudo: /boot/grub/grub.cfg: command not found
[21:02] <ikonia> aka: thats a text file, not a command
[21:02] <ikonia> you can't execute it
[21:02] <dStruct> aka as a super user?
[21:02] <ikonia> dStruct: it's called "windows"
[21:02] <dStruct> ikonia: not in my world lol
[21:02] <ikonia> dStruct: I'm not laughing, stop it
[21:02] <ikonia> dStruct: and that comment is nothing to do with this channel, so please keep it to your self
[21:03] <dStruct> ikonia: ahh, very true, my apologies :D
[21:03] <aka> so what i write ikonia
[21:03] <ikonia> aka: you need to open it in a text editor
[21:04] <aka> i open the file now
[21:04] <ikonia> aka: ok, so scroll down to the boot options for windows 10
[21:06] <aka> ikonia: ## BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[21:06] <aka> menuentry 'Windows 10 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)' --class windows --class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-chain-F47E7E1F7E7DDAB6' {
[21:06] <aka> 	insmod part_msdos
[21:06] <aka> 	insmod ntfs
[21:06] <aka> 	set root='hd0,msdos1'
[21:06] <aka> 	if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
[21:07] <ikonia> aka: didn't ask you to paste it
[21:08] <greyoda> I want to connect a bluetooth keyboard to my PC, recognizes it as a keyboard and starts pairing with it but it fails afterwards. I suspect it's because it requires me to input a pin on the keyboard but the setup device wizard never prompts me to do so.
[21:08] <aka> ikonia: what should i found and what should i do then ?
[21:09] <ikonia> aka: look at the boot options it's trying to boot for windows 10
[21:09] <ikonia> aka: make sure they match up with your system
[21:14] <aka> ikonia: what statement should make me sure of that , because there is a word parttool {root} is hidden
[21:14] <ikonia> aka: just pastebin the windows 10 boot options
[21:17] <aka> Ikonia
[21:17] <ikonia> yes
[21:17] <aka> : sorry for being lost but now words for windows 10 boot options at all
[21:18] <xangua> ??
[21:18] <ikonia> aka: I don't know what you just said, sorry
[21:19] <aka> i am sorry for unprofessional, and  i found no words about boot options for windows 10 at all
[21:20] <Vin3> dual boot u saying?
[21:20] <Vin3> with windows 10?
[21:20] <aka> Vin3: you mean me ?
[21:20] <ikonia> aka: what does the grub menu option for windows say
[21:20] <Vin3> y
[21:20] <ikonia> when it's on your screen
[21:21] <Exterminador> weird thing that happened to me. before zero out the drive, Stremio was working like a charm. now, it don't even load a single movie. any ideas?
[21:21] <Exterminador> that on Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
[21:21] <ikonia> Exterminador: zero out the drive ?
[21:21] <aka> Ikonia: grub menu gives me Ubuntu and windows 10 loader , and advanced ubuntu and memory test..
[21:22] <ikonia> aka: ok, so search for the windows 10 words in that file
[21:22] <Exterminador> ikonia: yes. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[21:22] <ikonia> Exterminador: if you've zerod the drive how do you expect it to work....
[21:22] <ikonia> aka: if it's on the screen, it's in that file
[21:22] <aka> Vin3: yes dual boot with windows 10
[21:23] <Exterminador> ikonia: i've reinstalled all again. in windows works well. on Xubuntu it dont even load the movie. even with the addons installed
[21:23] <Vin3> aka: ok I can help you
[21:24] <aka> i press Ctrl+f to find all words about windows 10 and only one line but i didn't get what it means
[21:24] <Vin3> what's is your mother language?
[21:24] <aka> vin3: good, Arabic
[21:25] <greyoda> Are there any Bluetooth drivers that don't come pre-isntalled with Ubuntu?
[21:25] <aka> vin3: here what happened , first i install Ubuntu then i was booting both well , but i try to customize Grub 2 screen and install grub 2 customizer and windows doesn't boot since it
[21:25] <Exterminador> i've updated the system, all like i had before. and it simply dont start the movie. it stays on the loading screen and then closes.
[21:25] <Vin3> aka: update your grub
[21:26] <ikonia> Exterminador: sounds like a codec is missing
[21:26] <ikonia> Exterminador: at a guess
[21:26] <aka> Vin3: i remove it and install it again and update it many times still the same
[21:26] <Vin3> aka: gksu update-grub
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: Dumb question, you have tried other movies, yes ? and others also do not load ?
[21:26] <bekks> aka: So where did you install Ubuntu to, after installing Windows 10?
[21:27] <Vin3> aka: try gksu update-grub
[21:27] <aka> okay
[21:27] <Vin3> go to login screen on ubuntu
[21:27] <Vin3> then press
[21:27] <Vin3> ctrl+alt+f1
[21:27] <Vin3> then login
[21:27] <Vin3> and gksu update-grub
[21:27] <aka> bekks: i install it alongwith windows 10 at c i guess
[21:28] <Vin3> then reboot
[21:28] <bekks> aka: that doesnt answer my question, technically. Which partitions did you have, and wgere did you install Ubuntu to?
[21:28] <Exterminador> ikonia: maybe. i think i've used to have VLC installed. i'll give it a shot
[21:28] <aka> partition sda1 , C
[21:29] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[21:29] <Cust0sLimen> with ubuntu server install iso ... can I somehow get to a terminal so I can manually format disks ?
[21:30] <aka> Vin3: you mean in Terminal ?
[21:31] <Exterminador> Bashing-om: seems it depends on vlc libraries. lol
[21:31] <Exterminador> now, the damn movie is loading.
[21:32] <ikonia> Exterminador: it probably doesn't depend on vlc
[21:32] <ikonia> just the codec it installs
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Exterminador: :) makong progress .. as ikonia surmissed - codecs missing in the new install (??) .
[21:32] <Exterminador> it's weird in some point, but i've installed vlc and it's working like a charm
[21:32] <Exterminador> well, it depends on vlc libs
[21:33] <Exterminador> seems i'm improving something into linux world
[21:33] <Exterminador> xD
[21:35] <aka> Vin3: hey ?
[21:35] <Exterminador> ikonia: tks for the hint. as you talked in codecs, i've google stremio codecs linux ans found it pretty fast
[21:35] <Necy> Is is straight forward to install kde on 'ubuntu gnome'?
[21:35] <Necy> so it functions well
[21:36] <xangua> You can install as many desktops as you want Necy
[21:36] <Jack> Hello
[21:36] <liberpater> http://stackoverflow.com/a/37956249
[21:37] <Necy> do you know if i install kde on gnome, will i be able to choose from the login you can on unity
[21:37] <ikonia> liberpater: ?
[21:37] <liberpater> Is this really what I need to do to get gem to work properly?
[21:37] <xangua> Necy: yes
[21:37] <Necy> cool cool
[21:37] <liberpater> seems kind of hacky
[21:37] <lasersaber> hi guy
[21:37] <lasersaber> i'm back
[21:38] <ikonia> liberpater: is what ?
[21:38] <ikonia> liberpater: do you have a question
[21:38] <lasersaber> still can't play video at http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[21:39] <liberpater> I am trying to do gem install scss-lint, but I get "You don't have write permissions for the /var/lib/gems/2.3.0 directory."
[21:39] <lasersaber> no ad blockers or no scripts installed. using firefox.
[21:39] <ikonia> liberpater: so sort the permissions
[21:40] <liberpater> ikonia: why would there be permissions issues if all I have done is install ruby and run that command?  Seems like that's an issue with the package
[21:40] <ikonia> liberpater: not really
[21:40] <ikonia> liberpater: look at the permissions on that directory and look at the user your trying to do the gem install as
[21:40] <liberpater> The directory is root:root
[21:41] <ikonia> liberpater: and what user are you executing the install as
[21:41] <liberpater> running as sudo gives me "ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension."
[21:41] <ikonia> liberpater: thats not what I asked
[21:42] <aka> bekks: hey
[21:42] <RoidTUx> exitt
[21:42] <liberpater> IBinder: I'm 'ubuntu'
[21:49] <aka> hey guys , i was dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu very well ,and i install grub customizer and unmark time out and delete memory test from grub boot list but hten i can't boot my windows 10 any more
[21:50] <elcap1> hi, I am running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS under virtualbox, want to share files between host and guest but I have problems connecting
[21:50] <aka> it just restart my pc when i choose it to boot
[21:50] <RoidTUx> elcap1: What is your connection problem?
[21:51] <elcap1> I can see the share folder I created in virtualbox for the mac show up in ubuntu but I can’t access it
[21:52] <elcap1> when I try and click on that shared folder in ubuntu is says I don’t have the right permissions
[21:53] <elcap1> I spent the last 2 hour running in circles trying to fix it but was not successful
 hey guys , i was dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu very well ,and i install grub customizer and un-mark time out and delete memory test from grub boot list but then i can't boot my windows 10 any more
[21:54] <enzotib> elcap1: add yourself to the vboxsf group
[21:54] <aka> hey guys , i was dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu very well ,and i install grub customizer and un-mark time out and delete memory test from grub boot list but then i can't boot my windows 10 any more  it just restart my pc when i choose it to boot
[21:54] <elcap1> how do I do add myself to that group ?
[21:54] <enzotib> elcap1: sudo adduser $USER vboxsf
[21:54] <ikonia> elcap1: open the groups tool and add yourself to it
[21:54] <ikonia> elcap1: users and groups tool
[21:55] <elcap1> k, let me try this…hold on ….
[21:55] <enzotib> elcap1: you should also restart the session
[21:56] <makos20> hi guys
[21:57] <elcap1> ok, I made that change in the terminal, I should restart, right ?
[21:57] <enzotib> elcap1: at least the session, not necessarily the machine
[21:58] <elcap1> gdamn it ! it works now, thanks so much !!
[21:59] <elcap1> I can see the contents of that folder now
[22:00] <elcap1> thanks again, happy new year to you all
[22:00] <cuddle> afk
[22:00] <elcap1> bye for now….
[22:02] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[22:03] <wafflejock> hi Cust0sLimen
[22:04] <Cust0sLimen> so fedora generates a kickstart file in /root/ after installation with options selected during install
[22:04] <Cust0sLimen> is there some way to do same for ubuntu ?
[22:04] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: not really, no.
[22:04] <Cust0sLimen> so for preeseed - basically have to write it by hand ?
[22:06] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: most people start with the wiki example, i'd guess
[22:07] <Cust0sLimen> nacc, thats fine  - just checking - I have always written files for fedora/redhat by hand also ... just like to have an example as a base from a system I installed
[22:07] <Cust0sLimen> but yeah wiki should do fine
[22:08] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: there are some tools to extract preseed-able values, iirc -- debconf-get-selections, maybe?
[22:08] <Cust0sLimen> nacc, ye just saw that on askubuntu - will check it out thanks
[22:08] <nacc> Cust0sLimen: gl!
[22:09] <Cust0sLimen> so another question ... I'm installing ubuntu server iso ... and its downloading stuff ... is there some way to get a server install iso that can install without downloading or would it install fine if I did not have internet connection ?
[22:09] <Cust0sLimen> I guess it probbably would install fine if I did not have internet ...
[22:11]  * Cust0sLimen holds thumbs
[22:14] <wedgie> it will install without internet.
[22:14] <Cust0sLimen> cool stuff
[22:25] <Necy> does anyone know how much extra space kubuntu-desktop would take up?
[22:25] <_adb> depends how many of the dependnecies you already have installed. apt-get will tell you
[22:26] <Bashing-om> !info kubuntu-desktop | Necy
[22:28] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, are you still around?
[22:29] <Firefly67> I am trying to install linux, and am getting this message:
[22:29] <Firefly67> The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as a "Reserved BIOS boot area" and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot.
[22:29] <Firefly67> If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible to install the boot loader to a partition.
[22:30] <ikonia> Firefly67: so do what it tells you
[22:30] <Firefly67> does anyone know what I should do at this point?
[22:30] <Firefly67> how do I create another partition?
[22:30] <ikonia> Firefly67: the same way you created others in the partition section
[22:30] <Firefly67> I shrunk it in windows
[22:30] <Firefly67> and used gpart to create a new partition in the unallocated space
[22:31] <ikonia> Firefly67: the installer comes with a partitioning section
[22:31] <ikonia> Firefly67: use that to change the partition layout
[22:32] <Firefly67> should I click on "new partition table"?
[22:32] <ikonia> Firefly67: no that will delete the old partition table
[22:32] <Firefly67> a partition is the same as a partition table?
[22:32] <ikonia> it's the thing that holds the information about all the partitions
[22:32] <ikonia> no
[22:33] <Firefly67> oh I see
[22:33] <Firefly67> so I go to gparted to do this?
[22:34] <ikonia> Firefly67: there is a partitioning tool in the installer !
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: There is not already a EFI partition that Windows created ? for boot code to reside in ?
[22:37] <Firefly67> which is the partitioning tool? Does it look like this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/a8Xcn.png
[22:38] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, it created unallocated space, I had to create a new partition called /dev/sda7 there, as it wasn't able to find any other os on the computer and was saying it'd wipe out everything else and install only ubuntu
[22:40] <Firefly67> I can edit a a partition there and make it smaller - will that create unallocated space?
[22:41] <Vin3> Firefly67: gparted
[22:43] <wedgie> Firefly67: yes
[22:43] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: I can only surmise that your Windows is a EFI install (EFI boot partition), and that with ubuntu you are installing as legacy ? Maybe ? As I have no experience with Windows/EFI .
[22:45] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | Firefly67 : Does this help ?
[22:46] <Firefly67> I was following this tutorial at first: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html
[22:47] <Firefly67> then started the official one
[22:47] <chickenbreast> can anyone tell me how to how i can make it so that a python module/script from my home folder can be run from the python interpretor window? i think i need to add the directory to PATH, or PYTHONPATH, or something like that. can anyone explain everything.
[22:47] <Firefly67> I entered USB live by pressing F12 during booting
[22:47] <ikonia> chickenbreast: /path/to/python/script.py
[22:48] <chickenbreast> yeah, but what if i just want to be able to execute script.py, without typing the path everytime?
[22:48] <chickenbreast> because i want to store scripts in my home folder, ikonia
[22:48] <lethu> hello, I have installed the latest mesa from oibaf ppa, and after entering the following command : "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"" I get "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.1.0-devel"
[22:48] <lethu> I need opengl 4
[22:48] <Firefly67> why would you run scripts from the interpreter?
[22:48] <chickenbreast> ...i dont know. im just learning
[22:49] <chickenbreast> because im trying to do stuff
[22:49] <chickenbreast> script.py.function(value,value)
[22:49] <Firefly67> if you need modules, you can do "from /home folder/file.py import *" - that will import all functions from that script
[22:49] <chickenbreast> thats what i want to run^
[22:49] <chickenbreast> oh
[22:49] <chickenbreast> nice
[22:49] <Firefly67> scripts are usually run on command line, not interpreter
[22:50] <Firefly67> actually when I'm testing scripts, I copy-paste and run on the interpreter
[22:50] <chickenbreast> yeah...i tend to use the idle interpreter for some reason
[22:50] <Cust0sLimen> is there any good reason to not use networkd for xubuntu or ubuntu server ?
[22:50] <chickenbreast> thanks guys
[22:50] <Firefly67> a whole script should be run only when you're sure it runs properly, you can test parts in the interpreter by copy-pasting
[22:51] <chickenbreast> yeah. thats what i will try to do , Firefly67
[22:51] <chickenbreast> thanks
[22:52] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: From your link " The important link on this screen is the “EFI USB Device” option. " Are you sure sure that you booted the installUSB as EFI ?
[22:52] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, no, I wasn't able to do it that way
[22:52] <Firefly67> I pressed F12 during reboot to get here
[22:53] <Firefly67> I couldn't find USB in the menu like they said I should
[22:53] <wedgie> chickenbreast: if you add the script location to your path, mark it as executable, and it has a proper shebang you can run it without the full path. Note that if you can create a 'bin' directory in your home directory that will be added to your PATH by default
[22:53] <Firefly67> well, there was something that said USB, but when I clicked on it I got back to Windows
[22:53] <wedgie> chickenbreast: though I have no idea how that affects the python interpereter window
[22:54] <chickenbreast> nice to know. thanks, wedgie.
[22:55] <lethu> hello, I have installed the latest mesa from oibaf ppa, and after entering the following command : "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"" I get "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.1.0-devel"
[22:55] <lethu> And I need opengl 4
[22:55] <ikonia> lethu: does the ppa contain version 4
[22:56] <lethu> ikonia, let me check
[22:56] <ikonia> lethu: you don' tknow
[22:56] <ikonia> but you installed it anyway ?
[22:56] <ikonia> I'm not interested in that approach to solving a problem
[22:56] <lethu> ikonia, I had already installed it previously and it worked
[22:56] <ikonia> lethu: not what I asked
[22:57] <lethu> ikonia, * OpenGL 4.5+ support and new OpenGL extensions: http://mesamatrix.net
[22:57] <ikonia> not what I asked
[22:57] <lethu> ikonia, what did you ask?
[22:57] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Well, until you can verify that the install matchs the Windows install type ( EFI) there is not much else that can be done, On a single shared hard drive you MUST match the install method of Windows . I Do not have the experience to advise how to match Windows .
[22:57] <ikonia> lethu: I asked if the PPA contained Mesa 4
[22:58] <ikonia> (or opengl 4 to be specific)
[22:58] <lethu> ikonia, it's mesa 13 not 4 it's opengl 4 that I need
[22:58] <ikonia> thats why I corrected it
[22:58] <lethu> ikonia, and yes it has opengl 4
[22:59] <ikonia> lethu: so do you need a specific version of mesa to use it, or is it stand alone
[22:59] <lethu> but for a reason it's not enabled for me
[22:59] <ikonia> what's not enabled
[22:59] <ikonia> is the opengl 4 package instlled ?
[22:59] <lethu> ikonia, opengl 4
[22:59] <lethu> nope
[22:59] <ikonia> lethu: then how do you expect it to work
[22:59] <ikonia> what do you expect the opengl version to be if you haven't installed it
[23:00] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, how do I make sure the Ubuntu install is also UEFI?
[23:00] <tomasz> jak z tableta zrobić ruter
[23:01] <bazhang> !pl | tomasz
[23:01] <lethu> ikonia, how do µ%I install it?
[23:01] <lethu> I*
[23:01] <ikonia> lethu: how do you know the repo has it if you don't know how to install it ?
[23:02] <lethu> ikonia, https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[23:03] <ikonia> lethu: opengl support
[23:03] <ikonia> "support"
[23:03] <ikonia> does that mean it actually provides opengl, or just the packages it provides support opengl 4.5
[23:05] <lethu> ikonia,  it provides support for it
[23:05] <CommonCents> Good evening everyone.
[23:05] <ikonia> lethu: right, so again....if it doesn't contain the packages for opengl 4 - how do you expect them to be on your system
[23:05] <CommonCents> Just got a second video card installed.  I'm having some problems getting two monitors working with my xubunut 16.04.
[23:06] <lethu> ikonia, then where do I find opengl4?
[23:06] <ikonia> lethu: no idea
[23:07] <CommonCents> lethu, have you tried "sudo apt-get install opengl4"?
[23:07] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[23:07] <Cust0sLimen> how can I see all packages that require python-minimal ?
[23:07] <clived> hello
[23:08] <lethu> CommonCents, let me check
[23:08] <lethu> CommonCents, there is no such package
[23:09] <CommonCents> OK.  I'm checking
[23:09] <kambei> Using 14.04 LTS, which I attempt to mount an nfs4 volume with the sec=krb5 option, it fails "an incorrect mount option was specified"
[23:09] <kambei> Any ideas on why sec=krb5 would fail?  I have the proper modules loaded.
[23:11] <Ben64> lethu: i don't think your problem is related to packages
[23:12] <lethu> Ben64, CommonCents I found the fix, I did not add the correct repository
[23:12] <lethu> thanks for your help!
[23:12] <CommonCents> OK.  That's good.
[23:13] <lasersaber> video will not play. unsing firefox. help. http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[23:15] <Guest4617> what tool can I use to check vram allocation? so I can see what application is using what
[23:16] <KRAAN> hello
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Laundry tool my attention. Were me I would consilt the firmware manual for your hardware and see what the boot option are and how to get them up .
[23:20] <Bashing-om> consult*
[23:21] <GroundZero1> hey there..can i ask a question about ubuntu mate? on the ubuntu mate channel is nobody online
[23:21] <GroundZero1> GroundZero1> anyone here? need help with my panel menu
 i wanted to edit the order of my categories of the apps in the upper menu
 and now..the application list is just empty
 and when i open the window to edit the order again...the windows closes and doens't show up
[23:22] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, I think I will consult the system administrators at work, this seems beyond my expertise level, I really don't even understand BIOS/UEFI/legacy mode/secure boot etc.
[23:22] <KRAAN> hello there i have a toshiba satellite p85 laptop with ubuntu 16/4 installed on it and i wanted to give another operating sytem a try but i cant boot from a usb the computer boots straight into ubuntu without a promp i tested the usb on a different machine and it works fine so i dont know why this computer wont boot from it i would appreciate any help
[23:23] <lasersaber> KRAAN, have you considered Virtualbox?
[23:23] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Do not feel alone, many of us are in that boat with you . I have yet to work with a EFI system .
[23:24] <Firefly67> yeah, if I could do it myself I would learn and my confidence would increase, but I am kinda terrified of destroying my new laptop by doing things wrong
[23:25] <KRAAN> Lasersaber yes but i wanted to figure out whats wrong with this specific machine i can install it into another machine as well if it doesnt work
[23:25] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Going back to your link, I bet that if you were to look with 'efibootmgr' thre is no entry for ubuntu .
[23:25] <c00lbard> KRAAN: BIOS/UEFI boot order?
[23:26] <priporg> is nano a graphical application?
[23:26] <k1l_> priporg: its a cli editor
[23:27] <KRAAN> c00lbard the order is set to boot from usb first but even then it skips it completely i tried uefi and legacy modes no difference
[23:27] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: You will not destry beyond what you can fix . Worst case is to re-install Windows and ubuntu . It is all softwaare. Make you feel any better ?
[23:27] <priporg> k1l_, cli like gedit?
[23:27] <k1l_> priporg: cli means "command line interface". some call it terminal
[23:27] <k1l_> or konsole
[23:27] <Firefly67> yes, and I have backed up windows to a HDD
[23:28] <priporg> k1l_, yes i understand. is gedit also a cli  editor?
[23:28] <k1l_> priporg: no, gedit is a gui editor. graphical user interface.
[23:28] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: See, You are all set for the learning curve :)
[23:29] <Firefly67> yeah, these days you are supposed to administer your own machines, system administrators only do the network stuff, they get impatient with people who are incompetent at managing their own machines
[23:29] <c00lbard> KRAAN: Is USB enabled pre-OS?
[23:30] <priporg> k1l_, thanks. how do i add a launcher?
[23:30] <k1l_> priporg: for what? if the program is installed from the ubuntu repo it should create a launcher by itself
[23:31] <priporg> k1l_, i want to create a custom launcher
[23:31] <k1l_> !launcher
[23:31] <mdeguest__> test
[23:32] <para000> hi guys
[23:32] <KRAAN> c00lbard: i think so before i installed ubuntu 16.4 i was able to boot into any usb i prepared as a bootable drive but there is no specific option for pre os usb in my bios as far as ive seen
[23:32] <k1l_> priporg: look at this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/78730/how-do-i-add-a-custom-launcher
[23:32] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Any consolation. none of us were born knowing what we know - it is all a process of learning . Presently you are to know how to boot that USB in EFI mode .
[23:32] <KRAAN> c00lbard: i had ubuntu 14. something before i installed the latest version if that helps
[23:33] <k1l_> priporg: but that is not the right thing, if you mean a launcher for the unity starter bar on the left
[23:33] <para000> I have ubuntu 16.04 and I wanna assign multiple external IPs to it, and I searched the internet for the past 2 days can't find any viable solution.
[23:34] <k1l_> priporg: this is the proper documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[23:34] <priporg> k1l_, a launcher icon to be place on the left bar
[23:34] <Firefly67> when I type "efibootmgr" in the trial version, it says: EFI variables are not supported on this system
[23:34] <kambei> para000: Is it behind a firewall?
[23:34] <Ben64> para000: you need to have the ips
[23:34] <priporg> k1l_, which link should i be reading?
[23:34] <kambei> Also, what he said
[23:34] <para000> Ben64: i have the IPs
[23:34] <k1l_> priporg:  the second one
[23:34] <para000> i rented a server with 9 aditioanl ips
[23:34] <Ben64> para000: so add them to an interface
[23:34] <priporg> k1l_, thank you
[23:34] <para000> i just need to add them to the server
[23:35] <para000> ubuntu server 16.04 is complicated
[23:35] <Ben64> para000: nope
[23:35] <Ben64> para000: http://askubuntu.com/questions/313877/how-do-i-add-an-additional-ip-address-to-etc-network-interfaces
[23:36] <para000> Ben64: this is my interfaces file https://codepaste.net/np9uah
[23:37] <para000> Ben64: i tried that and i fuckted up the server and needed to reinstall
[23:37] <para000> Ben64: and this is what the interfaces points to https://codepaste.net/vsvzbq
[23:38] <Ben64> doesn't look like a server install
[23:38] <para000> Ben64: do i need to make my main IP static first ?
[23:38] <para000> Ben64: is fress install of 16.04 LTS, and done only update and upgrade on it
[23:38] <para000> nothing more
[23:39] <para000> just this 2 commands since my last reinstall
[23:39] <Ben64> doesn't look like a server install
[23:39] <para000> k, Ben64, in my situation what i need to do?
[23:40] <para000> cause i rented from OVH one VPS and selectged Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[23:40] <Ben64> no idea, it doesn't look like a server install
[23:40] <Ben64> good, ask them what to do
[23:41] <slah> bonjour
[23:44] <para000> i checked the Google Comput Engine that is runing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and that has same configuration
[23:44] <para000> so :(
[23:46] <Darkchaos> Is here anyone which knows about the ddebs.ubuntu.com repository? I am having a 404 for yakkety-security/main/binary-i386/Packages and yakkety-security does not have a Release file, thus I get some errors
[23:48] <ZJAY> how would i soft link a path like /Volumes to my main path /media/dumpebut/<somehugedrive> i need it to see the soft link path in a script..
[23:48] <Ben64> ZJAY: man ls
[23:48] <Ben64> ln*
[23:49] <ZJAY> willit see the softpath in a bash shell or korn shell script
[23:49] <wedgie> yes
[23:49] <Ben64> it's not a shell function, it's a filesystem thing
[23:49] <wedgie> ln -s <link path> <link name>
[23:50] <priporg> how to edit existing launcher file? for example, the File launcher.
[23:51] <ZJAY> solike "ln -s /Volumes /media/dumpebut/"
[23:52] <ZJAY> will do it
[23:52] <wedgie> ln -s /media/dumpebut/whatever /Volumes
[23:52] <wedgie> assuming /Volumes is the link, not the original
[23:52] <ZJAY> ok my bad
[23:52] <ZJAY> yes /Volumes is the link tyvm wedgie
[23:57] <fegsgrhth> /mode $me +x
[23:58] <fegsgrhth> /mode $me +x
[23:59] <ZJAY> yea that didn't work right or i did it wrong i need /media/dumpebut/<somehugedrive> to be able to look like /Volumes/<somehugedrive> so basically if i do a cd /Volumes/<somehugedrive> it is the same as doing a cd /media/dumpebut/<somehugedrive>


[12:47] <banaan> File access rights question, trying to sync data from pc to networkdrive: Somehow unison is able to create (hidden) files on my synology, but unable to access them: sync ends with access denied error. What do I do wrong here?


[02:01] <ScottSanbar> valorie, would you give me permission to PM you so I can see if I can get it to work with irssi?
[02:02] <ScottSanbar> vim
[02:45] <valorie> sure, but you left


[02:04] <Israel> I am having a bit of an issue with QML.  tools: ToolbarItems  keeps giving me an error when I try to run my program. "Cannot assign to non-existent property "tools""  though I import Ubuntu.Components.Popups 0.1
[02:05] <Israel> Does Ubuntu.Components.Popups 0.1 conflict with another, such as Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 0.1 ??
[02:17] <Israel> is this a bug?  does anyone know?
[02:24] <AskUbuntu> How do I make a random amount of an elements in QML | http://askubuntu.com/q/315678
[03:02] <Denubis> Is this the appropriate channel to discuss different packaging strategies for part of an app we're planning on running on an ubuntu laptop?
[03:02] <Denubis> or is this more for the process of developing the thing itself?
[03:17] <tsimpson> Denubis: #ubuntu-packaging is more for packaging, though this and that channel are both rather quiet. you may find http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ useful
[03:40] <Denubis> tsimpson, I'm more interested in discussing the different approaches, the link you gave is quite useful in the more pragmatic howto sense
[06:27] <dpm> good morning all
[06:28] <AskUbuntu> Design standard for "About" and "Options" | http://askubuntu.com/q/315729
[06:39] <gusch> mhall119: ping
[06:40] <AskUbuntu> Clickable emails in Label | http://askubuntu.com/q/315733
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <xzcvczx> evening actually :)
[07:26] <AskUbuntu> get the ubuntu sdk preview | http://askubuntu.com/q/315751
[07:50] <oSoMoN> hey gusch, would you have some time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/toolbar-buttons/+merge/172604 today?
[07:50] <gusch> oSoMoN: sure - I'm on it ...
[07:50] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[07:57] <gusch> oSoMoN: the icons are bigger now, an vertical centered
[07:58] <gusch> oSoMoN: the problem is, for "Tabs" the text and icon overlap slightly
[07:58] <oSoMoN> gusch: interesting, I haven’t seen that, are you testing on desktop or phone?
[07:58] <gusch> oSoMoN: on the desktop
[07:59] <oSoMoN> gusch: let me test again then
[08:00] <gusch> oSoMoN: I updated UITK today
[08:00] <oSoMoN> gusch: ah, I haven’t yet (doing it now), might be the reason of the difference
[08:01] <gusch> oSoMoN: but I'd say that is a bug in UITK
[08:02] <oSoMoN> gusch: it was working well (looking exactly the same as standard toolbar buttons) with yesterday’s uitk
[08:02] <gusch> oSoMoN: hmmm - or you have to use (anchor?) the ToolbarButton different
[08:04] <gusch> oSoMoN: gallery looks fine with the new UITK
[08:10] <oSoMoN> gusch: I updated to the latest uitk, and I’m not seeing the issue you’re describing, in fact I’m running the browser (my branch) and the gallery (latest trunk), and the size and appearance of the toolbar buttons is exactly the same
[08:10] <oSoMoN> gusch: can you take a screenshot of the issue and send it my way?
[08:10] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[08:12] <gusch> oSoMoN: oh - mixed that up - the old one looks wrong
[08:14] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - so I'll approve
[08:15] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved - sorry for the fuzz
[08:21] <oSoMoN> gusch: no worries, thanks for the review
[08:39] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Compliment Your Mirror Day! :-D
[09:12] <dpm> hi oSoMoN, I hope you had a nice holiday and welcome back! :) - quick question: I've noticed that after the work to get desktop files for the core/system apps internationalized, they still don't appear translated in the dash. I'm not sure if it's a regression or if they never appeared translated, do you have any ideas why the desktop file translations might not be loaded?
[09:13] <oSoMoN> dpm: hey, thanks :)
[09:14] <oSoMoN> dpm: not sure about unity8, it might be that it doesn’t use the correct mechanism to get the translated names
[09:14] <oSoMoN> dpm: when I tested on my desktop though, it was
[09:14] <oSoMoN> working
[09:14] <dpm> oSoMoN, how did you do the testing on your desktop?
[09:15] <oSoMoN> dpm: I installed the package from the ppa on the desktop and searched for the app in the dash
[09:16] <dpm> oSoMoN, yeah, that works. I can confirm that, but on the device they're untranslated.
[09:16] <dpm> I'll file a bug against unity
[09:22] <seb128> hey toolkit guys
[09:23] <seb128> is there a magic to tell a ListView "height: whatever is needed to include the ListItem stacked in the list"?
[09:27] <nik90> seb128: not a toolkit guy, but cant you use height: ChildRect.height or something?
[09:27] <nik90> I mean ChildrenRect
[09:29] <seb128> nik90, that seems to work, thanks!
[09:29] <seb128> qml is weird, I wonder why those are not default
[09:29] <seb128> it's like columns
[09:29] <nik90> seb128: yes
[09:30] <seb128> when using qml you keep running into stuff not doing what you want because their default size is null
[09:30] <seb128> rather than being the one needed for the things they include
[09:31] <nik90> seb128: I think qt quick and qml is still picking up and is a bit new.
[09:33] <seb128> right
[09:37] <seb128> ok, next question :p
[09:38] <seb128> is there a way to have an icon: of a ListItem do "look in the theme if that's a name, use the path if that's a path"?
[09:38] <seb128> e.g I want to use "icon: desktop.Icon" where desktop.Icon is the Icon=... from /usr/share/applications/<name>.desktop
[09:39] <seb128> those are sometime a theme icon, sometime a filepath
[09:43] <nik90> seb128: sry no experience with that. I am still trying to figure that myself.
[09:43] <nik90> seb128: although how do they do it in the current .desktop files?
[09:52] <seb128> nik90, "they"?
[09:52] <seb128> nik90, well, desktop files can contain an icon name or a path to an icon, gtk handles that fine, not sure what qt does which is what I was asking
[09:52] <seb128> "icon: icon" works for a themed icon
[09:53] <seb128> but if you have a filename you need "icon: Qt.resolvedUrl(icon)" it seems
[09:54] <nik90> seb128: I use Qt.resolvedUrl(icon) for the clock-app
[09:55] <nik90> seb128: However there I give it a relative path. But am not sure what happens when the theme is changed
[09:55] <seb128> where icon is a name from an icon in the theme or a path to a file?
[09:55] <nik90> path to a file
[09:55] <seb128> k, that makes sense
[10:32] <seb128> nik90, just for info, using "icon: "image://gicon/" + iconname" seems to do the trick
[10:38] <nik90> seb128: thnx. Will keep that in mind
[12:47] <gema> boiko: ping
[12:47] <boiko> gema: pong
[12:47] <gema> boiko: remember the ssh command we discussed to make the phone send a call to a given number?
[12:47] <gema> boiko: I cannot find it in my logs
[12:49] <boiko> gema: there is a dbus command, but it won't call directly, it will only fill the dialer page with the number and wait for the call button to be pressed
[12:49] <gema> boiko: I remember we discussed a way to ssh into the phone and make it call
[12:49] <gema> boiko: maybe calling the app from the command line?
[12:50] <gema> boiko: I haven't tried it , I was going to, but cannot find the line
[12:51] <boiko> gema: wasn't that for accepting incoming calls? for that there is a dbus command (omer asked me to add that)
[12:51] <gema> boiko: that's another thing we need indeed
[12:51] <gema> boiko: this is to be able to control the phone at the other end from the testing phone
[12:51] <gema> and make a call to the testing phone initiating it from outside
[12:52] <boiko> gema: ah ok, there is the ofono phone simulator, but as far as I know it is not fully controllable from the command line, let me check
[12:52] <gema> boiko: thanks
[12:53] <boiko> gema: let me check what can be done from the command line, just a minute
[12:53] <gema> boiko: thanks a lot
[12:55] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: hey, any idea
[12:55] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: hey, any idea what could cause bug #1197293
[12:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1197293 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ReferenceError: UbuntuColors is not defined" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197293
[12:55] <oSoMoN> ?
[13:00] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: looking
[13:01] <oSoMoN> thanks
[13:03] <seb128> could somebody knowing qml help us and review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/background-welcome-image-accountsservice/+merge/172595 ?
[13:04] <seb128> (that's for system settings, most of us working on it are new to qml and that's the first "plugin" we use ... it would be good if somebody who knows those stuff better could check things are done the right way)
[13:04] <seb128> (that's likely going to used as base/copied in other panels)
[13:04] <seb128> oSoMoN, Kaleo, ...: ^ if you have some spare cycle, it's not a big diff to review ... ;-)
[13:05] <seb128> Laney, ^ fyi
[13:06] <Laney> cool
[13:06] <oSoMoN> seb128: I’ll have a look later today
[13:06] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks!
[13:08] <Kaleo> seb128: camel case
[13:08] <Kaleo> seb128: (just going through it quickly, that struck me, names should be camelcase)
[13:08] <boiko> gema: so, once you get ofono-phonesim running (omer was working on that) you can follow the instructions
[13:08] <boiko> gema: here: https://kernel.googlesource.com/pub/scm/network/ofono/phonesim/+/c94e6c0c64dd10da2a297d37336653ef707be49a/doc/scriptable.txt
[13:08] <gema> boiko: excellent thanks
[13:09] <boiko> gema: but that's not real phone calls, it is using the modem simulator from ofono
[13:09] <gema> uhmmm, that;s not good enough
[13:09] <gema> I need to make a real phone call
[13:09] <boiko> gema: for real calls I don't know a way to do that, cause you have to call from another phone, and that I don't know how to do
[13:09] <Kaleo> seb128: use property bindings: instead of "onBackgroundFileChanged: testWelcomeImage.source = backgroundPanel.backgroundFile"; do "source: backgroundPanel.backgroundFile"
[13:10] <seb128> Laney, ^
[13:10] <gema> boiko: ack, no worries
[13:10] <boiko> gema: from the app you can do that easily using autopilot (omer already created code for that)
[13:11] <gema> boiko: I'd like not to depend on the app
[13:11] <gema> for the testing
[13:11] <boiko> gema: but from the other end (to simulate an incoming call), I don't know how to do
[13:11] <gema> boiko: no worries we'll write a little C program if needed be
[13:11] <gema> I thought there was one already , will ping rsalvetti again
[13:11] <Kaleo> Laney: seb128: QString backgroundFile(); is protected but should be public
[13:12] <Laney> that came from the template
[13:12] <Kaleo> Laney: seb128: there is some qDebug statements lying around and the qdebug import unneeded
[13:12] <boiko> gema: so if the idea is to use two ubuntu touch phones, then there are some tricks that we can do
[13:12] <Laney> how do I do the property binding thing while keeping the fallback as default?
[13:12] <gema> boiko: the idea is to use two, one of them will be quite stable
[13:13] <gema> able to make/receive calls and send / receive smss
[13:13] <gema> but I don't want to depend on the UI apps to do that
[13:13] <Kaleo> Laney: in the constructor you do background_file = get_background_file(); twice
[13:13] <gema> just a command line that we can send through ssh to that phone
[13:13] <gema> to get it going
[13:13] <gema> becuse the phone under test is the other one
[13:13] <Kaleo> Laney: you could even do get_background_file() lazily in the backgroundFile() getter; that would speed up startup time
[13:13] <gema> that one would only be test infrastructure
[13:13] <Kaleo> Laney: let me see about the binding
[13:14] <boiko> gema: in that case there is something you can do to make a call, let me get the command here
[13:14] <Laney> Kaleo: Will it be cached by qml?
[13:14] <gema> boiko: thanks
[13:14] <boiko> gema: (sorry, I didn't realize you were going to use two ubuntu-touch phones)
[13:14] <gema> boiko: ok
[13:14] <Laney> The thought of doing it in the ctor was to avoid dbus roundtrips
[13:14] <Kaleo> Laney: no
[13:15] <Kaleo> Laney: the background() function will be called everytime you type object.background in QML
[13:15] <Kaleo> Laney: to answer your question/issues in the description of the MR:
[13:15] <Laney> then wouldn't it be better to have that cost once at startup?
[13:15] <Kaleo> Laney: 1. it's right
[13:15] <Kaleo> Laney: no
[13:15] <Kaleo> Laney: it's still a one time cost
[13:16] <Kaleo> Laney: if you keep storing the result in your private member variable
[13:16] <Kaleo> Laney: and not call the dbus function every time
[13:16] <Kaleo> Laney: 2. ubuntu-system-settings and not libsystemsettings1: are those package names?
[13:16] <Laney> yes
[13:16] <Kaleo> Laney: 3. your way is better
[13:17] <kenvandine> Kaleo, yes those are package names
[13:18] <Kaleo> Laney: 4. that's alright
[13:18] <mhall119> gusch: pong
[13:18] <Kaleo> Laney: 2. we have convention names for those
[13:18] <Kaleo> Laney: qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin qtdeclarative5-localstorage-plugin qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin
[13:18] <Kaleo> Laney: etc.
[13:19] <Kaleo> Laney: but hang on
[13:19] <Laney> -system-settings-plugins?
[13:19] <gusch> mhall119: I tried to merge to music-app
[13:19] <Kaleo> Laney: I would not separate the plugin into a separate debian package at all
[13:19] <Kaleo> Laney: unless you intend other apps to use it
[13:19] <Laney> right
[13:19] <Laney> not really
[13:19] <Kaleo> Laney: so no
[13:19] <gusch> mhall119: lanuchpad says it's merged, but it isn't
[13:20] <Kaleo> Laney: 5. I don't know yet
[13:21] <Laney> Kaleo: so the variable name convention is camelCase for all variables?
[13:21] <gusch> mhall119: any idea why?
[13:21] <Kaleo> Laney: yes
[13:21]  * Laney discovers Qt Creator has a refactoring tool for this
[13:21] <Laney> :D
[13:22] <mhall119> gusch: no, let me look though
[13:22] <gusch> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/music-app/music-fix-warnings/+merge/172573
[13:22] <Kaleo> Laney: and member variables prefixed with m_
[13:22] <Kaleo> Laney: about the binding, you are right
[13:22] <gusch> mhall119: and https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/music-app/music-declarative-duration/+merge/172620
[13:22] <Kaleo> Laney: no use for one
[13:22] <Laney> cool
[13:22] <Laney> Kaleo: Give me 5 minutes to do your fixes
[13:22] <Kaleo> Laney: you can take a look at the following file from the toolkit
[13:23] <gusch> mhall119: oh - maybe dpm fixed that already?
[13:23] <Kaleo> Laney: for something similar: modules/Ubuntu/Components/ListItems/ImageWithFallback.qml
[13:23] <Laney> ok
[13:23] <gusch> mhall119: oh dpm did - thx
[13:23] <mhall119> ok,cool
[13:23] <Laney> ah interesting
[13:23] <mhall119> yeah, I'm seeing them in trunk
[13:24] <dpm> gusch, np, I just noticed that Jenkins hadn't kicked in because the MP hadn't been top-approved and approved it (it was manually marked as merged)
[13:31] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: that's beyond me so far
[13:33] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: ok, thanks, I’ll keep digging
[13:34] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: try to call the plugin with something that does not start with Ubuntu.Components
[13:36] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: do you mean renaming it?
[13:36] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: yes
[13:36] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: that's the only change that Isee could be relate
[13:36] <Kaleo> d
[13:37] <oSoMoN> yes, that makes sense
[13:37] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
[13:39] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: something is odd
[13:39] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: you did not put the browser plugin under Ubuntu/Components/Extras/Browser
[13:40] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: forget it, my bad
[13:40] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: was looking at the wrong tree :)
[13:40] <oSoMoN> the tree that’s hiding the forest? ;)
[13:42] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: yes, I'm starting to have a good idea of what's going on
[13:42] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: I doubt it has anything to do with the naming
[13:43] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: I had not noticed that message before "QQmlComponent: Component is not ready"
[13:43] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: good, I don’t feel like renaming again
[13:43] <oSoMoN> ah, me neither, good catch
[13:51] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: found it!
[13:51] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: createQmlObject  QUrl( "file:///home/kaleo/Projects/apps/webbrowser-app/src/Ubuntu/Components/Colors/UbuntuColors.qml" )
[13:51] <Kaleo> that's not gonna work :)
[13:51] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: where in the code is that?
[13:52] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: the toolkit
[13:52] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: ok it _is_ a naming problem
[13:52] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: what's happening is that inside the toolkit plugin "Ubuntu.Components" I'm trying to guess what the path on disk to the plugin is
[13:53] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: Qt 5.1 has a method for that http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtqml/qqmlextensionplugin.html#baseUrl
[13:53] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: but Qt 5.0 does not
[13:53] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: so the way I do it is that I convert Ubuntu.Components into Ubuntu/Components
[13:53] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: and then go through the importPathList
[13:54] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: to look for a directory that ends in Ubuntu/Components
[13:54] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: I did not anticipate there could be another Ubuntu/Components
[13:54] <oSoMoN> ahah
[13:54] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: which there is not when the webbrowser is installed
[13:54] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: so the warnings don't happen when installed I guess
[13:55] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: that's wild
[13:55] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: not tested installed, I must admit
[13:55] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: can that be fixed in the toolkit, or should I try to address that in the uninstalled scenario for the browser?
[13:55] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: nah, I can fix it
[13:56] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: somehow
[13:56] <oSoMoN> cool
[13:58] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: I don't know how yet :/
[13:59] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: ok, I do
[13:59] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: that’s ok as I can live with the issue for now, it’s not blocking me in any way
[13:59] <seb128> Kaleo, thanks for the review comments ;-)
[14:00] <Kaleo> seb128: yw
[14:00] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: done, fixed
[14:00] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: ugly
[14:04] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix_1197293/+merge/172824
[14:06] <Laney> Kaleo: ok, pushed an update if you feel like looking again
[14:17] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: thanks, approved, you might want to have someone on your team give it a quick sanity check too
[14:41] <inaciando> hi all. i am looking the incredible "quickly" an my question is : is it possible develop for ubuntu tablet using "quickly" and gtk liberies?
[14:44] <inaciando> or i have to use qt and qml ?
[14:46] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: you're enough :)
[14:47] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: the code will go away with 5.1
[14:47] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: ok, so feel free to top-approve
[14:48] <Kaleo> oSoMoN: ok
[15:05] <Kaleo> seb128: can you look at the email I fwed you?
[15:56] <seb128> Kaleo, sure (I was out for some exercice, taking a shower and looking at ità
[15:56] <seb128> )
[15:56] <mhall119> jvrbanac: hey, are you around for the API website call in 5 minutes?
[15:58] <jvrbanac> mhall119,
[15:58] <jvrbanac> mhall119, yeah
[15:58] <mhall119> cool
[15:59] <Kaleo> seb128: thx
[16:01] <mhall119> jvrbanac: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/08c66ad1e28595b54c403c1771de1ac4fc4c66bf?authuser=1
[17:23] <doanac> boiko: i'm looking at getting some sms stuff automated in the qa lab. I was told you might have some info to help me get stated
[17:24] <doanac> the first question i have. are there some API's for things like "wait for sms"
[17:24] <doanac> ie - how to tell when an sms has arrived
[17:24] <boiko> doanac: hi
[17:25] <boiko> doanac: so, you mean in the phone app or just to test the infrastructure itself?
[17:26] <doanac> boiko: i guess via the phone-app. ie - i'm running a test on the phone and it needs to know if it got an SMS or not
[17:27] <doanac> so a cool CLI like "wait-for-sms --timeout 60s" would be an example
[17:27] <boiko> doanac: ok, are the tests C++ or what?
[17:28] <doanac> boiko: the tests don't exist. i'd prefer python, but I don't know what my options are
[17:28] <boiko> doanac: ah ok, got it, I think python is fine
[17:29] <boiko> doanac: without having to rely on the phone-app itself, you could write a program that listen to ofono signals telling you that you got a new sms
[17:29] <doanac> boiko: is this a dbus sort of thing, or does ofono include its own api?
[17:29]  * doanac googles :)
[17:30] <boiko> doanac: it's dbus
[17:30] <doanac> boiko: cool. i'm going to do some research, but any pointers would be greatly appreciated
[17:30] <boiko> doanac: salem_ can give you more info (as he recently implemented the telepathy component that talks to ofono using those interfaces)
[17:32] <doanac> boiko, salem_: is something like this were I might get started: https://github.com/c4milo/ofono/blob/master/test/list-messages ?
[17:33] <salem_> salem_, kind of, will you be using a real phone, or ofono emulator?
[17:33] <boiko> doanac: that for messages that are already there, but there is a signal emitted when new messages arrive
[17:33] <boiko> doanac: https://github.com/c4milo/ofono/blob/master/doc/messagemanager-api.txt
[17:34] <salem_> doanac, ^
[17:34] <doanac> boiko: thanks!
[17:34] <boiko> doanac: those are for real phone calls and messages, right?
[17:34] <salem_> doanac, org.ofono.MessageManager.IncomingMessage is the signal you have to listen to.
[17:35] <doanac> boiko: yes. we are going to send the phone real sms's
[17:40] <boiko> salem_: ^
[17:42] <salem_> doanac, ok, so the object path will be /ril_0 and the signal is org.ofono.MessageManager.IncomingMessage. a simple python script should do the trick. if you need help to create the script, let me know.
[18:09] <doanac> salem_: if you could share the script it would be incredibly helpful.
[18:09] <doanac> i haven't done DBUS signals before, so i'm guessing i'd make a few dumb mistakes before getting something working
[18:22] <AskUbuntu> autopilot ImportError: No module named input | http://askubuntu.com/q/315996
[18:28] <salem_> doanac, https://pastebin.canonical.com/93763/
[18:29] <salem_> doanac, just change /phonesim by the real modem object path
[18:29] <doanac> salem_: thanks so much! i owe you a beer
[18:30] <salem_> doanac, no problem!
[19:16] <AskUbuntu> I wish to translate for Ubuntu! | http://askubuntu.com/q/316019
[19:50] <AskUbuntu> Can I download Ubuntu for my Galaxy S lll Fido? | http://askubuntu.com/q/316028
[21:43] <boiko> Kaleo: ping
[21:44] <boiko> Kaleo: nevermind, let me double check here
[23:18] <Kaleo> boiko: pong


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[02:09] <lbnt_sr> hello, i would like to get some help here. I just upgraded to lubuntu 17.10 my lenovo s10-2 but the system wont start. i get the following message: '/dev/sda1: clean, xxxx/xxxx files, xxx/xxx blocks'. it works on recovery mode only
[02:10] <tsimonq2> What did you upgrade it from?
[02:11] <lbnt_sr> previous version of lubuntu
[02:12] <tsimonq2> 17.04 or 16.04?
[02:12] <lbnt_sr> 16.04 probably
[02:12] <tsimonq2> How long did you wait after seeing that message?
[02:14] <lbnt_sr> a couple of hours
[02:14] <tsimonq2> Hrm.
[02:14] <tsimonq2> lbnt_sr: This isn't Lubuntu-specific, try #ubuntu
[02:15] <lbnt_sr> ok
[21:50] <Frank_> how can i verify my e-mail adress
[21:53] <wxl> say what, Frank_ ?
[21:56] <Frank_> i downloaded lubuntu and  the result is on the f drive but i like to install
[21:56] <wxl> what's that have to do with your email?
[21:57] <wxl> and i assume by f drive you mean flash drive? did you just copy it or how did you move the file? (a regular copy won't work)
[21:58] <Frank_> on the lubuntu home page i registered myself but got the message that i have to verify my e-mail-adress
[21:59] <wxl> which home page?
[21:59] <Frank_> the f drive was created by the download program
[21:59] <wxl> you mean it saved to your hard drive?
[22:00] <Frank_> the lubuntu home  page
[22:00] <wxl> which one?
[22:00] <wxl> what's the address?
[22:02] <Frank_> no  normally i just have a c: harddisk and a usb station, the download result (about 1.5G)
[22:02] <wxl> how did you download the .iso file?
[22:02] <Frank_> my e-mail adress is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:03] <wxl> i don't want your email address. i want the site of the "home page" you refer to
[22:03] <wxl> this is the tutorial for putting the .iso file onto a flash drive: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[22:03] <Frank_> by under chrome ask for lubuntu and started the 64-version
[22:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: He's probably referrring to the "sign up to get emails when we post a new blog post" thing that Mario did...
[22:04] <wxl> or phabricator? i have no freaking clue
[22:04]  * tsimonq2 whistles and walks away
[22:04] <Frank_> i suppose the phabricator
[22:05] <wxl> you suppose, or you know?
[22:06] <Frank_> it's been six years ago i was last using lubuntu but i'm glad i'm gettting at least some information
[22:12] <Frank_> now i need rufus
[22:22] <Frank_> rufus has done something, probably created a bootable USB
[22:24] <Frank_> yes it has a autorun 64kb
[22:25] <Frank_> thanks for the tutorial, i will reboot my laptop
[22:44] <Frank_> well, i have a usb stick with lubuntu on it, so it seems.
[22:45] <Frank_> i noticed that lubutu.me.phab tells me to veryfy my e-mail adress
[22:45] <Frank_> verify
[22:46] <Frank_> but my toshiba boots from c: not from the USB=stick rufus just created
[22:54] <Frank_> but i subscribed to the lubuntu-users group, succesfully . tomorrow there is a lot to do


[00:13]  * brousch_ farts
[00:28] <greg-g> busy day. interviewing for a new QA Tester, responding to high prio bugs, and now doing a grant proposal review for Hewlett (iow: Hewlett sent me a proposal they got, want my opinion on it)
[00:29] <brousch_> I'm testing more kivy contest apps
[00:41] <greg-g> annnnd.... done with that review
[03:52] <rick_h_> actually got out of the house and put work down for a bit
[04:41] <greg-g> rick_h_: good deal
[04:41] <greg-g> we went downtown and danced next to Petaluma Pete, aka: the guy who plays ragtime-type piano outside
[04:41] <greg-g> "piano guy" as rowan calls him
[12:13] <cmaloney> morning
[13:45] <rick_h_> party
[15:30] <cmaloney> party party
[15:45] <greg-g> morning
[15:51] <cmaloney> waiting for dad-in-law to be doischarged
[15:51] <cmaloney> woo woo
[20:21] <cmaloney> and today is mostly shot
[20:57] <cmaloney> blergh
[22:27] <brousch_> cmaloney: gonna end it with a shot of tequila?
[22:59] <cmaloney> brousch_: I'm not insane
[22:59]  * cmaloney hates tequilla
[22:59] <cmaloney> maybe hard cider, beer, or wine.
[23:40] <greg-g> tequilla is disgusting


[06:28] <knightwise> good morning peeps
[08:39] <MooDoo> happy birthday popey :D
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> Happy Popeyday!
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning boy and girls.
[09:48] <knightwise> morning MartijnVdS brobostigon
[09:48] <popey> \o/ thanks MooDoo MartijnVdS
[09:50] <brobostigon> happy birthday hrh popey'ness
[09:50] <popey> ta
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:50] <brobostigon> yw.
[09:50]  * brobostigon is using his imagination abit.
[11:29] <jussi> Happy birthday popey, you have a very distinguished day for a birthday :D
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> distinguished?
[15:24] <mapps> :D
[18:15] <Myrtti> new kettle \o/
[18:16]  * zmoylan-pi is not sure a kettle is worth getting excited over... unless it runs linux of course...
[18:18] <Myrtti> well considering that we've been thinking about getting a new one for a few years and considered about it for over a month, it's a good achievement.
[18:18] <Myrtti> http://www.johnlewis.com/cuisinart-cpk17u-multi-temperature-kettle-silver/p621260
[18:18] <zmoylan-pi> ah the putting it off as next years kettles will blow away this years kettles conundrum... :-)
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> i only replaced the kettle this year as they brought in water charges and the spout on old one had miniscule leak
[18:26] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, if it does run on Linux, you can be sure it'll run *Steam* ;)
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> hold on a moment... and no one gave you a fantastic new kettle for wedding present??
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> my brother got around a dozen toasters for his wedding in the 80s. still hasn't used all them
[18:27] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: we specifically requested no physical presents
[18:27] <funkyHat> All toasters, no kettles
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> ah
[18:27] <Myrtti> well, we specifically requested NO presents
[18:28] <Myrtti> so a lot of people gave us cards with information on the charity they donated to
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i would have ignored the no physical pressie rule.  but i would have made the pressie a doozie
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> to the norwegian friends who didn't want big gifts i sent a massive box of lego instead. lego vikings... it felt right to send vikings from ireland to norway in revenge :-P
[18:33] <Myrtti> well many people understood that since we don't live in Finland, we'd have trouble transporting the presents back home
[18:33] <Myrtti> and we didn't have a gift registry either for getting stuff home delivered.
[18:33]  * penguin42 should get a new kettle, the current one sometimes gets upset and turns itself off
[18:34] <penguin42> Myrtti: £58?! for a kettle?!
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> i sent it to their home in norway, should have seen the faces in the post office when the box wouldn't fit through hatch.
[18:34] <Myrtti> penguin42: it was 'cheap' for a 'smart' kettle
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> it does algebra? :-)
[18:34] <penguin42> Myrtti: smart? For that price I'd expect it to drink it for me
[18:36] <Myrtti> you're welcome to check the prices of other kettles that you can choose the water temperature - prices usually start from 70
[18:36] <penguin42> do you need to choose the water temp?
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> an external temperature gauge would do the trick
[18:37] <Myrtti> it's nice for some teas and hot cordials?
[18:37] <Myrtti> but I'm not forcing anyone to buy the same kettle...
[18:37] <penguin42> Myrtti: But out of interest, it's a cuisinart and I've just got one of their ice cream machines, it seems well made but pretty basic
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> no, a kettle like a lot of tech is not a one size fits all product.
[18:38] <penguin42> Myrtti: Yeh, I could argue but then I've got a slowly healing scald on one finger from a too hot cordial
[18:39]  * zmoylan-pi remembers fondly the kettle my mother used in 70s on gas oven which was ancient even then
[18:40] <penguin42> I think we have one of those for doomsday situations
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> i have a kelly kettle for disasters all ready.  nowt but the best...
[18:40] <penguin42> what's that?
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> volcano kettle that will boil a kettle of water with just an old magazine newspaper for fuel. http://www.kellykettle.com/
[18:42] <penguin42> oh ok, I don't worry about that level of disaster
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> i had always wanted one since i saw one in the 70s.  just a weirdly cool tech to my mind
[18:43] <Azelphur> Does anyone know if a power strip exists, that has UK/US/EU outputs, and takes UK/US/EU input?
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't that be bigger than 2-3 power strips and silly money?
[18:44] <penguin42> Azelphur: You'd need two different transformers to do that wouldn't you?
[18:45] <penguin42> a small UPS would almost be the easiest answer to that
[18:45] <Azelphur> penguin42, no you don't? no adapter needs that
[18:45] <penguin42> Azelphur: OK, so you just want physical adapters?
[18:46] <Azelphur> penguin42, yea, any device I plugged into it would support 110-240V
[18:46] <Azelphur> penguin42, I get around a lot xD
[18:47] <penguin42> Azelphur: If you had a strip with multiple types of output then you could use that together with one of the multiplugs that will go into anything
[18:48] <Azelphur> penguin42, yea that's what I'm tempted to do, was just hoping to find something that does it all in one go
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> might be easier to get stuff that would charge off usb and then buy biggest usb chearger for any trip?
[18:49] <penguin42> Azelphur: http://www.p-wholesale.com/cn-pro/17/146to2/power-strip-141528.html   will that take all the plugs you need?
[18:50] <Azelphur> penguin42, not sure, doesn't mention what type of input it has?
[18:50] <penguin42> Azelphur: Who cares if you put one of those multiple type adapters on the input
[18:51] <Azelphur> penguin42, true just trying tp space save
[18:51] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: That might become possible with USB-C
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> unless someone *cough* apple *cough* make their own wacky version
[18:52] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: It's standard isn't it?
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> there are standards and their are /enhanced/ standards...
[18:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I think they actually followed it this time; the only dumb thing they did was only putting one on the system
[18:54] <penguin42> Azelphur: The thing is I can't think of a design that would fulfill your needs except by putting an adapter on the input, you can't have multiple input leads - unless you use one that has an input lead which would probably take even more space, but I bet there are blocks that take kettle leads
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a local plug to cigarette adapter and a cigarette adapter powered inverter...
[18:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: Or just chop the input plug off and put a c13 on,  although remember you've probably not got any fusing at that point
[18:57] <Azelphur> penguin42, yea I was thinking its plug would be a universal one
[18:57] <Azelphur> but I can just put a universal adapter
[18:57] <penguin42> Azelphur: I've never seen a universal plug
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> well 2 wires wrapped around matches probably doesn't count... :-)
[18:59] <penguin42> Azelphur: http://jinggoal.en.alibaba.com/product/389353719-210192640/Universal_plug.html   !!!!
[18:59] <penguin42> is that thing real?
[18:59] <penguin42> it looks scary
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> transformers... robots in disguise...
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.getdatgadget.com/kikkerland-universal-travel-adapter/
[19:05] <Azelphur> penguin42, I have one of them
[19:05] <Azelphur> In fact I have 4 of them...
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> and i also liked but haven't heard of recently the folding uk adapter... https://www.themu.co.uk/
[19:37] <mapps> 25c to now raining;D
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> 9c and cloudy, a nice weekend in dublin
[19:40] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: It's been about 10c but pretty sunny here over here to the east of you in Manc
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> it's odd as usually bank holiday weekends are guaranteed damp, windy occasions
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> followed by a day of beautiful sunshine when everyone has gone back to work just to rub it in
[19:42] <penguin42> yesterday was awful though
[22:04] <Myrtti> ohmygawd the new kettle might have just revolutionised my lunches
[22:04] <Myrtti> cup-a-soups. cup-a-soups for everyone. no need to scald mouth anymore
[22:11] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: is it one of those heathen kettles with a temperature knob?
[22:11] <Myrtti> yeah
[22:12] <Myrtti> see discussion approx. 4 hours earlier
[22:21] <daftykins> O_O
[22:21] <daftykins> sounds high tech
[22:58] <Myrtti> oh my god the 4k display
[22:59] <penguin42> on your kettle?
[22:59] <daftykins> ?
[23:00] <Myrtti> no, hubby's new laptop. It looks and works pretty badly with the nVidia drivers, but using the Intel integrated and watching videos...
[23:00] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/+DuncanSample/posts/JQJb656Xpmb
[23:01] <Myrtti> we're watching a GoPro video and it is eye watering on this display
[23:05] <daftykins> nvidia prime?
[23:12] <Myrtti> yeah.
[23:19] <daftykins> i'd be curious as to whether your hubby tried a newer driver than is available in repos
[23:19] <daftykins> depending on what the nvidia chip is and which OS version this is
[23:25] <m0nkey_> I'd say try a different DE


 hi all how can i install py3.11 and switch to it
 I installed it by
 sudo apt install python3.11
 Will switching to it couse any problems?
[15:39] <penguin> Hello
 Hi
[22:45] <KevlarUnicorn> I'm new to Snap, and I just read that Firefox 116 released the other day. What is the schedule for Snap updates?
[22:48] <oerheks> sudo snap refresh
[22:48] <oerheks> 116 is availabla, no?
[22:49] <oerheks> 116.0.1
[22:50] <KevlarUnicorn> Nope. When I do sudo snap refresh, it says everything is up to date. I'm still on Firefox 115.02.
[22:52] <RikMills> KevlarUnicorn: upstream mozilla maintain the snap, so that is a question for them. but as in this case it is likely to be rapid, as most releases include some security fixes
[22:53] <oerheks> still i have 116...
[22:53] <oerheks> weird
[22:54] <KevlarUnicorn> I'm on Kubuntu 23.04 if that makes any difference.
[22:54] <oerheks> should not..
[22:54] <RikMills> I have 116.0.1 in 23.04
[22:54] <KevlarUnicorn> I've got Snap fully enabled, I haven't disabled or changed anything, so I'm not sure why it hasn't updated.
[22:56] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/7Rg18BP.png
[22:56] <RikMills> that is in testing VM, but should be the same as any other install
[22:57] <oerheks> run some proper updates? sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # and reboot
[22:58] <oerheks> i see no slow mirrors in USA
[22:59] <KevlarUnicorn> I did that earlier this afternoon, and this is my current list:
[22:59] <KevlarUnicorn> https://i.postimg.cc/Kc67p34y/2023-08-061691362624-3840x1080.png
[23:00] <oerheks> try change mirror to main?
[23:01] <RikMills> changing deb repos won't help snap updates
[23:01] <oerheks> oh, correct
[23:01] <RikMills> this seems a snap specific issue, not kubuntu, so maybe there is a better place to ask
[23:03] <RikMills> kubuntu does nothing to alter any config that might affect snap updates
[23:03] <RikMills> if there is such a thing
[23:04] <KevlarUnicorn> It must be something, because just for a lark, I went into the Discover app, looked up Firefox, listed as 116. I open it (because it's shown as installed), and it says Firefox 115.0.2. I had my hopes up for a second. :/
[23:06] <RikMills> my knowlegde of snaps is not great, but maybe there are the equivalent of apt phased updates. i.e. update are rolled out gradually across users over a few days rather than all at once
[23:07]  * RikMills shrugs
[23:09] <KevlarUnicorn> I'm not sure. I'll talk to some Snap folks, though, see if they can help me work this out. I appreciate all of the help! :)