[02:13] <nomore> any chans about reseach chems or just regular dope on freenode? x)
[02:51] <bazhang> !alis | nomore
[18:35] <_guest_> hello, i'm trying to setup an xbox classic mic for use. it's detected but it does not work for anything thus far. does anyone have an idea?
[22:59] <sybariten> oh hai
[22:59] <sybariten> does xubuntu take well care of a side-by-side-installation of linux and WIndows, just by using the installer ?
[22:59] <sybariten> s/well/good
[23:00] <sybariten> i found this tutorial and it seems they recommend running gparted more manually, from inside a live session, before the install procedure


[06:07] <jono> hey all
[07:43] <darkxst> ricotz, did you get any response from debian re soname bump for gjs?
[07:47] <ricotz> darkxst, I made mbiebl aware of it, but it seems he doesnt care
[07:48] <ricotz> darkxst, note the package-name is the same since Trusty, and I guess there were more breakages since then
[07:50] <darkxst> right, I didn't look back past 1.43.3, but that doesn't look so bad, most of the changes are related to the coverage stuff
[07:51] <darkxst> atleast I didnt see anything that wouldnt cause a FTBFS if code moves
[07:54] <darkxst> Noskcaj, did you get those merges done?
[07:55] <ricotz> darkxst, anyhow still there were API changes, but feel free to ignore them and drop the blocking bug report
[07:56] <darkxst> ricotz, still powerpc test failures also, but happy to ignore those for now
[07:58] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757328
[08:00] <darkxst> for some reason its GI_TRANSFER_NOTHING on powerpc
[08:04] <ricotz> darkxst, did you try to bisect it?
[08:04] <darkxst> no but it is this https://git.gnome.org/browse/gjs/commit/?id=348ee04116eb4681320251329551d6b1ba2794d4
[08:04] <darkxst> (the test was in a different commit)
[08:05] <darkxst> but essentially on powerpc that patch does not exist
[08:05] <darkxst> atleast not for the test case
[08:06] <darkxst> and I aint bisecting anything, qemu emulation is soooooo slow
[10:25] <mgedmin> oh wow lightdm is very nice on a dual-head screen (login prompt shows up on the screen that has the mouse cursor)
[10:36] <darkxst> mgedmin, GNOME are working on that for 3.20
[10:39] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685300
[10:39] <darkxst> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Initiatives/EveryDetailMatters?action=show&redirect=EveryDetailMatters
[10:47] <mgedmin> "with some flat color fill when the displays' Y resolution doesn't match"
[10:47] <mgedmin> ooh, what happens when the resolution matches?
[18:35] <bcx> Hi can I get horizontal scrolling in Nautilus as in file-roller or baobab ?
[18:41] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I don't think you will ever *need* to have horizontal scrolling.
[18:42] <JohnnyComeL8ly> bcx: ^^^
[18:43] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: ?
[18:44] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: it is difficult to manage long filenames without it ...
[18:46] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly:  how do you manage long file names views on little screens ?
[18:48] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I'm on Xubuntu, and with Thunar, the rename is done in a pop-up window - I think that is a better design.
[18:49] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I use Ubuntu-GNOME too (16.04 dev).
[18:49] <JohnnyComeL8ly> bcx: how small is your monitor?
[18:50] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: 1024*768
[18:51] <JohnnyComeL8ly> You can't use the file browser in maximized position?
[18:51] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: i'm not talking about the rename, simply the view, I also have more columns, owner, perms, I would like to horizontally scroll instead of filenames being cropped
[18:52] <JohnnyComeL8ly> What is the file browser which is in use?
[18:52] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Nautilus?
[18:54] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: yes
[18:55] <JohnnyComeL8ly> bcx: Where do you live?
[18:55] <bcx> Is thunar able to scroll horizontally ?
[18:55] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: at granma's :p
[18:56] <JohnnyComeL8ly> When I hover over the horizontal bar, in detailed listing, then it scrolls sideways, but most of the time, I don't use that....
[18:56] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: Is thunar able to scroll horizontally ??? I would give it a try if so
[18:58] <JohnnyComeL8ly> bcx: I meant, Country/Region... if you live in the U.S.A., you should be able to get free monitors from people.  I got most of the monitors I use for free.  They are 1280x1024.
[18:58] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: Does Thunar have a configuration system as nautilus-actions ? I even would love not to re-implement my existing right-click actions ...
[18:58] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: :) I understand now
[18:58] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yes, Thunar is able to scroll horizontally, but like I said, you have to hover over the slider-bar.
[18:59] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: I mainly use VirtualBoxes images with no drivers
[18:59] <JohnnyComeL8ly> That isn't as good as real hardware for the OS to work on.
[19:00] <JohnnyComeL8ly> (In most cases, I should say.)
[19:00] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: so in Thunar I cannot scroll horizontally with two fingers anywhere in the view, that is the workflow I am looking for
[19:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Unless you have really crummy hardware, and M$ windoz has the best driver. Even then, I wouldn't do it... too much black hole with M$.
[19:01] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: indeed, especially without guest additions :( , but I won resolution a level with wily's mesa drivers on vbox, before that was 800x600
[19:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> What, are you on a touch screen lappie?
[19:03] <JohnnyComeL8ly> bcx: ^^^
[19:04] <bcx> JohnnyComeL8ly: i don't know the word lappie, no touch screen, I just use my laptop's integrated pointing device (synaptics touchpad), which is really less comfortable that on a mac
[19:05] <JohnnyComeL8ly> lappie = laptop
[19:06] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Idk about that... I get what you're saying, but have never messed with anything like that.
[23:58] <jamf> hi there!
[23:59] <jamf> i have ubuntu gnome 14.10 currently installed, and now im about to upgrade to 15.10
[23:59] <jamf> following the guide in the ubuntu-gnome website, says that i have to ppa-purge the ppa gnome3-team repos
[23:59] <jamf> and then upgrade


[13:07] <kalikiana> Kaleo: Commented here, just wondering if there's any way for QA to watch for problems here https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/enable_atlas_textures/+merge/298770
[14:09] <t1mp> kalikiana: hello :)
[14:09] <t1mp> kalikiana: I have an MR for you https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ActionBar-colors/+merge/299052
[14:09] <t1mp> kalikiana: that is a pre-requisite for my toolbar re-write (which will have a new design with scrolling of icons)
[16:57] <kalikiana> t1mp: Commented
[18:39] <t1mp> kalikiana: thanks.
[18:39] <t1mp> kalikiana: the background color of the icons is normally the same as the bg color of the actionbar/header.
[18:40] <t1mp> kalikiana: except when it is pressed
[18:40] <t1mp> kalikiana: if I rename the pressedBackgroundColor to pressedButtonBackgroundColor, it is okay?
[18:40] <t1mp> indeed that is more clear
[19:22] <kalikiana> t1mp: Will it always be the same? It seems like an arbitrary choice based on the default theme...
[19:22] <kalikiana> t1mp: Btw ready for review https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listsAndNameSpaces/+merge/299048
[19:23] <t1mp> kalikiana: you mean will the background of an unpressed button and the header/actionbar always be the same?
[19:23] <t1mp> the designs just show an icon. I don't want to add more properties because there are speculations that someone could have additional colors ;)
[19:23] <t1mp> but additional colors can be accomplished by setting a custom delegate instead of using the default one from the theme
[19:24] <kalikiana> t1mp: Yes. What if someone creates a theme with distinct button colors?
[19:24] <t1mp> defaultDelegate: Button { color: "pink"; action: modelData }
[19:25] <kalikiana> t1mp: That's in the app, not the theme.
[19:25] <t1mp> that's in the theme
[19:25] <t1mp> in ActionBarStyle
[19:26] <kalikiana> Well, if that's in the theme it only works depending on the color set in the app.
[19:26] <t1mp> but yeah, you could also set delegate: Button { color: "pink"; action: modelData } in the app :)
[19:26] <kalikiana> t1mp: We have no code checking that foreground and background are distinguishable here afair
[19:27] <t1mp> we don't have that anywhere
[19:27] <t1mp> kalikiana: are you proposing that we should have unit tests that check that all the components have proper color contrast?
[19:28] <kalikiana> That wouldn't help, my point is the colors can break at runtime if you can't have pairs for all values.
[19:28] <t1mp> it would be a fun exercise, but given the amount of work that it would be I think we could finish more useful stuff in that time.
[19:28] <kalikiana> We *know* what the default theme looks like, so no point in testing that.
[19:29] <t1mp> kalikiana: right. And people can mess it up by overriding the default theme.
[19:29] <t1mp> what's the problem? some people may have bad taste in colors, it is not up to us to judge that ;)
[19:31] <kalikiana> t1mp: Very clear example: high contrast theme with black and white buttons.
[19:32] <t1mp> kalikiana: ok, you'd set backgroundColor: "black"; foregroundColor: "white". But what do you want for the pressedButtonBackgroundColor?
[19:32] <kalikiana> The only way to make it work with the so far proposed values would be to ignore all the app-supplied colors.
[19:33] <kalikiana> t1mp: Also disabled
[19:35] <t1mp> I still don't understand what you try to accomplish
[19:36] <t1mp> with only black and white as colors you cannot have different values for foreground/background/pressedBackground/disabledForeground
[19:38] <kalikiana> t1mp: I didn't say exclusively black and white, I said buttons that are black and white.
[19:38] <kalikiana> The point being the foreground colors may be wrong.
[19:39] <kalikiana> If the app uses black or white as a foreground color it won't be usable
[19:40] <t1mp> maybe it is getting late, but I still don't understand what you want :)
[19:40] <t1mp> yes you can set the button background to be white in the theme, and if in the app you make the button foreground white, then you don't see anything
[19:40] <kalikiana> t1mp: Imagine enabled buttons are white on black, disabled buttons are black on white - whatever the app sets is not going to work well
[19:41] <kalikiana> So right now we're restricting themes to do what the default theme needs
[19:42] <t1mp> ok, right.
[19:43] <t1mp> so you're saying that Styles/ActionBarStyle is not flexible enough for some things that you may implement in a theme
[19:43] <t1mp> well, you could set the defaultDelegate in the theme so that you get the result you want.
[19:43] <kalikiana> Yes. It's tailored to support the default theme.
[19:43] <t1mp> but if that is a real use case then it would be handier to have a property in the style for ti
[19:44] <t1mp> *it
[19:45] <t1mp> we cannot take all possbile themes into account. What if someone wants a theme where the button background has a gradient ;)
[19:45] <t1mp> I'm not saying we should never implement what is not in the default theme. We'll have to find a balance somewhere.
[19:45] <t1mp> in this case the API will seem more consistent if we have foregroundColor, backgroundColor, buttonBackgroundColor, pressedButtonBackgroundColor
[19:46] <t1mp> hmm..
[19:46] <t1mp> but then for the header we need to make a distinction between titleForegroundColor and buttonForegroundColor too?
[19:46] <kalikiana> I'll argue the problem is that the style is a hybrid of different components. Just like having the overflow part of the component was the problem in the other discussion.
[19:46] <kalikiana> In this case it's colors of the 1) bar 2) button.
[19:47] <t1mp> and also buttonForegroundColor and pressedButtonForegroundColor...
[19:47] <kalikiana> I'd love to suggest a grouped property alas objects aren't allowed here.
[19:48] <t1mp> kalikiana: so how can we avoid that?
[19:48] <kalikiana> We need *some* way to distinguish sub components eventually.
[19:50] <t1mp> how do we do grouped properties?
[19:51] <kalikiana> property Object button: Object { property color foreground }
[19:52] <kalikiana> Except that's not supported by Stylehints
[19:53] <t1mp> right, making it available via StyleHints was part of the goal.
[19:53] <t1mp> still, in a theme you can always change the defaultDelegate to use whatever colors you want.
[19:54] <t1mp> I think I'll have to think about it tomorrow, I'm getting sleepy.. :s
[19:54] <kalikiana> As in, ignoring the app colors completely?
[19:54] <kalikiana> Or you mean the app's theme... okay, now I'm also getting lost
[19:55] <kalikiana> We can mumble tomorrow
[19:55] <t1mp> yes, the app's theme. Still in the theme you have access to all the properties that are set on the component itself.
[19:55] <t1mp> yeah, let's do that.
[20:42] <ahoneybun> anyone good with dealing with a lot of json?
[21:12] <kalikiana> ahoneybun: What does that mean? 1GB of data? Or 10000 rows in a model?


[15:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[15:00] <matsubara> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[15:00] <Ursinha> erm
[15:00] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[15:00] <herb> me
[15:00] <Ursinha> me
[15:00] <mrevell> me
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <rockstar> we
[15:00] <matsubara> so who's here today?
[15:00] <sinzui> I'm still here
[15:00] <Ursinha> everyone except the bot
[15:00] <rockstar> me too
[15:00] <matsubara> lag
[15:01] <matsubara> flacoste, bigjools: ?
[15:01] <bigjools> me
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:01] <henninge> me
[15:02] <intellectronica> me
[15:02] <matsubara> all right. everyone is here
[15:02] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Next meeting
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:03] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:03] <matsubara>  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:03] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Next meeting
[15:03] <matsubara> so next meeting, same time next week?
[15:03] <Ursinha> +1
[15:03] <matsubara> how about removing that section and adding it again only when we won't be having the meeting?
[15:03] <rockstar> This part of the meeting should only be here if there's something that might make it not at the same time.
[15:03] <rockstar> :)
[15:03] <matsubara> :-)
[15:04] <flacoste> i'll need to send somebody
[15:04] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to remove the next meeting from the agenda and add a note to the MeetingAgenda page that it should be added again when we need to change the time
[15:04] <flacoste> as I might not be able to attend (TL meeting)
[15:05] <bigjools> me too
[15:05] <flacoste> same for bigjools and sinzui
[15:05] <sinzui> me too
[15:05] <matsubara> same here, I'll be attending the TL meeting so Ursinha will likely run it
[15:05] <Ursinha> yes
[15:05] <henninge> so there is a reason to discuss the next meeting at each meeting?
[15:06] <henninge> -> planned attendance
[15:07] <matsubara> [action] TL (sinzui, flacoste, bigjools) to send people to cover for them due the TL meeting next week
[15:07] <matsubara> indeed henninge
[15:07] <matsubara> so, moving on
[15:07] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[15:07] <matsubara>  * matsubara and Ursinha to QA some of registry team items
[15:08] <matsubara> ok, we did that.
[15:08] <sinzui> Thanks very much
[15:08] <matsubara> so, if any of the teams need a hand testing stuff, talk to us!
[15:08] <matsubara> sinzui, my pleasure :-)
[15:09] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:09] <matsubara> Today oops report is about bugs 319173, 318894, OOPS-1116EC265, OOPS-1113EB6
[15:09] <matsubara> so the first one, which I'll move to -registry I need to try to reproduce on windows
[15:10] <flacoste> herb: can you check that buildbot-poll script is working? buildbot has blessed a lot of revisions that weren't pushed to stable
[15:10] <matsubara> Im working with the reporter to find out the cause and will add more info once I have it
[15:10] <sinzui> matsubara: I think we limit the upload to tar.gz, changelof, and .txt
[15:10] <matsubara> sinzui, who in your team should be assigned to fix that one?
[15:10] <herb> flacoste: will check after the meeting, yes
[15:10] <sinzui> matsubara: is it a bug?
[15:10] <matsubara> sinzui, it works on firefox for linux. it doesn't matter the file extension
[15:11] <matsubara> sinzui, the thing is, according to the reporter, it oopses when he tries to upload while using FF on windows
[15:11] <sinzui> matsubara: I'll give it to my favorite bug assassin--salgado
[15:11] <matsubara> sinzui, ok, once I have more info I'll coordinate with salgado. thanks sinzui
[15:12] <matsubara> the other two oopses are for lp-bzr team
[15:12] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to file bugs for OOPS-1116EC265, OOPS-1113EB6
[15:12] <matsubara> rockstar, can you help me out with those two oopses after the meeting? need to find a way to reproduce them
[15:12] <rockstar> matsubara, okay.
[15:13] <matsubara> flacoste, news about the -foundations one?
[15:13] <flacoste> matsubara: looking into it, but unless it is happening a lot, i don't see it as a high priority
[15:13] <matsubara> flacoste, barry's been bitten a lot by that one, IIRC
[15:14] <flacoste> that's what you get for using proprietary email applications!
[15:14] <matsubara> flacoste, shall I close it as invalid with that as the rationale? :-)
[15:15] <flacoste> i'll take care of it :-)
[15:15] <matsubara> flacoste, thanks!
[15:15] <matsubara> for critical bugs, we have 3. all of them fix committed.
[15:15] <matsubara> good job everyone!
[15:15] <matsubara> moving on
[15:15] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:16] <herb> 2009-01-16 - Friday - We cherry picked r7586 to lpnet* to fix bug #315103
[15:16] <herb> 2009-01-20 - Tuesday - We cherry picked r7588 to lpnet* to fix bug #317241
[15:16] <herb> Bug #156453 and #118625 continue to be a problem requiring us to restart codebrowse at least daily.
[15:16] <herb> As noted by mthaddon and spm via email to the list, we've been seeing higher than normal DB load this week. We also experienced some issues with app servers taking too long to respond to requests (anywhere from 15-30 seconds). We suspect the two are related in some way but don't yet have any hard evidence to back this up.
[15:16] <Ursinha> hm, this explains the timeouts
[15:17] <matsubara> linkchecker was disabled last friday, but that didn't seem to make any difference on the staging DB load
[15:18] <herb> well. that's it from us unless there are questions.
[15:19] <matsubara> rockstar, how's the codebrowser bug going?
[15:19] <stub> The staging rebuild is the killer - it chews up an entire CPU and swaps important information out of RAM for its run, which is about 8 hours of the day IIRC.
[15:19] <rockstar> matsubara, we know no more this week than we did last week.
[15:19] <rockstar> jml and poolie are at the TL sprint early to work on it.
[15:19] <matsubara> rockstar, :-(
[15:19] <matsubara> that's great news
[15:20] <matsubara> stub, any way to optimize that?
[15:20] <stub> It already is optimized.
[15:20] <stub> We would have to start dropping features, which makes it less useful.
[15:21] <flacoste> or get a new box
[15:21] <flacoste> kiko is on it
[15:21] <flacoste> gpg: Erreur de CRC; E7341E - DC3E73
[15:21] <flacoste> gpg: aucune signature trouvée
[15:21] <flacoste> gpg: impossible de vérifier la signature.
[15:21] <flacoste> ignore those gpg thing
[15:22] <matsubara> hehe that's barry's broken signature :-)
[15:22] <matsubara> all right. thanks stub, flacoste, herb and rockstar
[15:22] <matsubara> moving on
[15:22] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:22] <stub> Staging rebuilds are getting dangerously close to filling up their disk partition again. Avoiding this looming problem involves moving staging to new hardware, or bringing down the databases on Chokecherry while we repartition the disks.
[15:22] <stub> We have been getting some load spikes again, causing the losas to rewire the appservers to distribute db load a little more evenly. In the past, these have been bots request spamming. I don't think anyone has identified the trigger this time yet. My money is on a bot crawling an expensive part of the site, or the load of the staging rebuild causing trouble, or a combination of the two.
[15:22] <stub> I've suggested shutting down staging and the staging rebuild next time it happens to reduce the possible variables.
[15:22] <stub> DB patches for this cycle have all landed except for one of mine still being worked on (severing relationships between the future authentication replication set and the main db), and a late request from Salgado (caching the total download count on LibraryFileAlias, which I'll probably defer until next cycle rather than make a hasty decision).
[15:24] <matsubara> all right, questions for stub?
[15:26] <matsubara> thanks stub
[15:26] <matsubara> what do you think of officially make this meeting 30 min rather than 45?
[15:27] <Ursinha> matsubara, we in average use 40-45 mins
[15:27] <Ursinha> do you think it's needed?
[15:27] <Ursinha> to reduce the time, that is
[15:27] <matsubara> Ursinha, do we? I thought we used less than 30.
[15:27] <matsubara> but let's keep it 40-45 then
[15:27] <Ursinha> AFAIR
[15:28] <matsubara> anyway, thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[15:28] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[15:28] <stub> 20% slack time is good.
[15:28] <Ursinha> :)
[15:28] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara


[12:17] <poningru> hey guys beta is coming out in 22nd we have to do a release notes thing for it
[12:22] <beuno> poningru: gotcha, I'll setup the wiki and send a the URL to the ML
[12:53] <poningru> ooh thanks
[01:56] <BHSPitMonkey> I live my life open-source-release-date to open-source-release-date
[01:56] <BHSPitMonkey> today was one, but it's been delayed... so I guess feisty beta's the next one on the radar
[01:59] <adamant1988> lol
[05:20] <bimberi> !denyhosts
[05:20] <bimberi> erk, wrong window, sry
[12:40] <jenda> juliux: ping
[12:41] <jenda> hey, mrevell! welcome back :)
[12:42] <mrevell> jenda: yo :)
[12:47] <juliux> jenda, pong
[12:48] <jenda> juliux: livingdaylight complained that you didn't send him his shirt :)
[12:49] <jenda> his name is 'conrad'
[12:49] <jenda> I promised to prod you.
[12:53] <juliux> jenda, i e-mailed him
[12:53] <juliux> jenda, i think dhl lost is shirt
[12:53] <jenda> ouch
[12:53] <juliux> i send him his shirt last week
[12:54] <jenda> ok
[12:54] <jenda> don't shoot the messenger ;)
[04:22] <adamant1988> Anyone conscious? mrevell ?
[04:22] <mrevell> adamant1988: I'm alive :)
[04:23] <adamant1988> mrevell: Wanted to discuss something with you (since I know you're an uppity up in the team)
[04:24] <adamant1988> Could we put a "community bulletin board" type program into effect?  Kind of like a "Karma-bounty" system to get work done for the marketing team, the art team, and what have you?
[04:25] <mrevell> adamant1988: I'm not sure what an uppity up is, but I don't think I am one :) Hmm, the thing you describe sounds like Launchpad's Blueprint Tracker.
[04:25] <mrevell> adamant1988: Perhaps I'm missing something.
[04:26] <adamant1988> Well, except half of the community never visits launchpad.  My logic is that we could offer some kind of points system with a leadership board, but we could put things up  on this to get them done quicker by people who just want to help with individual bits.
[04:27] <adamant1988> For instance if I need an article written for say a newsletter, but no one seems interested in writing it we could put it up there and offer so many "points" to get it done.  Think of it at out-sourcing some stuff to the main community
[04:28] <adamant1988> I think in particular the art team would benefit from something like this too.
[04:29] <mrevell> adamant1988: I'd say that creating a new resource, because people don't use an existing resource, isn't the answer. However, the points system you describe sounds interesting.
[04:30] <adamant1988> Well, I'm not talking about creating a whole new one.. just perhaps adding onto the launchpad and modifying it to allow this kind of activity
[04:30] <mrevell> adamant1988: I do think, though, that Blueprint will provide you with what you need. If people don't go there, well, that's a job of telling people about it, not for creating something new.
[04:30] <mrevell> Right
[04:30] <adamant1988> The only thing is.. no one goes to the launchpad, so I'm hoping it can be linked on the main site or something?
[04:30] <mrevell> Yeah, sounds like a nice idea. I'd recommend writing a spec for it, again using the blueprint tracker :)
[04:31] <adamant1988> Ideally it would create an almost competitive environment for helping out Ubuntu
[04:31] <mrevell> Well, I don't have any sway over the main site
[04:31] <mrevell> It's a cool idea
[04:31] <adamant1988> Thanks, I'll try to write out a spec for it.
[04:31] <mrevell> cool :)
[04:31] <adamant1988> Another thing I wanted to bring up
[04:31] <mrevell> Ping me when you've got something and I'll help you tweak it
[04:31] <adamant1988> What would be the best way to get some surveys out there to Ubunturoos?
[04:32] <adamant1988> In particular I just think we should be collecting more information about and from the community, I'd manage the whole thing myself if I have to.
[04:34] <mrevell> adamant1988: Hey, I agree that getting more information is a great thing. Have you spoken to Melissa about it? She's done some work on that before.
[04:35] <adamant1988> mrevell: I haven't, I was kind of absent for a while.
[04:35] <adamant1988> haha.
[04:35] <adamant1988> do you have an email I can use to get in touch with her?
[04:35] <mrevell> adamant1988: Ah, well, ping elkbuntu, she's your lady
[04:35] <mrevell> erm
[04:35] <mrevell> just a sec
[04:39] <adamant1988> oh man.. how do I do these specs again lol
[05:19] <adamant1988> elkbuntu: hello
[05:36] <adamant1988> mrevell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/bulletinboard
[05:36] <adamant1988> seem alright to you?
[05:38] <mrevell> adamant1988: Busy at the moment, but will look later. Thanks :)
[05:40] <adamant1988> sure thing
[07:56] <adamant1988> oh my god
[07:56] <adamant1988> *sigh*
[07:57] <poningru> oh blargh?
[07:58] <adamant1988> I keep trying to load the new ubuntu.com
[07:58] <adamant1988> but I can't seem to get it to load.
[07:59] <poningru> the new ubuntu.com?
[07:59] <poningru> uh thats not supposed to be out till 19th
[07:59] <adamant1988> it's up now, supposedly.
[08:00] <poningru> wth nm
[08:02] <poningru> what do you mean you cant get it to load?
[08:02] <adamant1988> I still see the old site
[08:02] <adamant1988> I've cleared my cache and everything, it's STILL the old site.
[08:02] <poningru> adamant1988: in a terminal go ping ubuntu.com
[08:02] <poningru> what server does it give you?
[08:03] <poningru> and instead of ubuntu.com go to signey.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <adamant1988> that's what I'm getting
[08:03] <poningru> in the browser I mean
[08:03] <adamant1988> 64 bytes from signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=97.8 ms
[08:03] <adamant1988> 64 bytes from signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=97.8 ms
[08:03] <adamant1988> 64 bytes from signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=3 ttl=51 time=90.4 ms
[08:03] <adamant1988> 64 bytes from signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=4 ttl=51 time=98.9 ms
[08:03] <poningru> in the browser instead of going to ubuntu.com go to signey.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <poningru> dont paste damn it
[08:03] <poningru> err sorry
[08:04] <adamant1988> poningru: that's a 404 error on that site.
[08:05] <poningru> hmm you're right
[08:06] <adamant1988> I'm getting very annoyed :(
[08:06] <beuno> want a screenshot  :D
[08:07] <adamant1988> I've seen it.
[08:07] <adamant1988> I just want to be able to navigate it to see if there is any real improvement.
[08:08] <adamant1988> I can't understand why the old webpage is still loading
[08:08] <beuno> martin@martin-laptop:~$ ping signey.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <beuno> PING signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[08:08] <beuno> 64 bytes from signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=309 ms
[08:08] <beuno> 64 bytes from signey.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=362 ms
[08:54] <beuno> hey jenda
[09:21] <jenda> oi
[09:22] <jenda> beuno: the forums people seem not to like the fact that it's them who have to do the work, not LP...
[09:22] <jenda> ...but they're always like that :/
[09:23] <beuno> ah, I think launchpad-independence is a good thing
[09:23] <jenda> hmm
[09:23] <beuno> I mean, they *are* going to have to do some sort of work on this side
[09:23] <jenda> I guess
[09:23] <jenda> of course
[09:23] <beuno> *this = their
[09:24] <beuno> I can easily do the script that will parse the information, and I might even be able to code the forum integration
[09:24] <beuno> but ultimately it's up to them
[09:25] <beuno> and I really don't want to invest too much time if neither launchpad folks and forum folks are interested
[09:26] <beuno> I'm having a hard time getting through to launchpad devs, although I've gotten some very good "off the record" comments
[09:27] <poningru> what are we talking about?
[09:27] <jenda> beuno: alrighty
[09:27] <beuno> hey poningru, I'm trying to get some sort of integration done between forums and launchpad
[09:27] <jenda> poningru: forum-LP integration
[09:28] <poningru> oh
[09:28] <beuno> jenda: sorry to put you in the middle of this, but you're a easy person to talk to  :D
[09:28] <jenda> beuno: hehe :)
[09:28] <jenda> beuno: no problem
[09:28] <jenda> I mean...
[09:28] <jenda> get lost ;)
[09:29] <jenda>
[09:29] <beuno> hahaha
[09:30] <jenda> hehe
[09:30] <tsmithe> beuno, that forum-lp integration thing would be very useful for everyone (and i'm particularly keen to see it working well for the audio team); so keep pushing
[09:30] <tsmithe> and well done :)
[09:31] <beuno> damn you tsmithe, I was so close to letting it go...    ;)
[09:31] <beuno> and thank you!
[09:31] <tsmithe> don't do that
[09:31] <tsmithe> !
[09:31] <tsmithe> and, no problem :P
[09:32] <beuno> jenda: who should I be bugging about this on the forums side?
[09:35] <jenda> ryan troy :)
[09:35] <jenda> I'll brb
[09:35] <Burgwork> beuno: lp is very much marks project
[09:36] <adamant1988> hello all
[09:37] <beuno> Burgwork: well, he might be harder to "get to", but I've got some very good feedback from launchpad devs, and actually found a way around to implement this on the forums without them doing anything
[09:37] <tsmithe> using email?
[09:37] <beuno> I think once it's on the forums, it'll be easier to convince them to get on board
[09:37] <beuno> tsmithe: no, a magic little feature which I wasn't aware of: text mode
[09:37] <tsmithe> text mode?
[09:38] <beuno> tsmithe: https://launchpad.net/bugs/90028/+text)
[09:38] <beuno> see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384627 and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-March/001184.html
[09:39] <tsmithe> why didn't i hear of this? :P
[09:39] <beuno> dunno, I've been pretty annoying about this!
[09:39] <tsmithe> "Not allowed here
[09:39] <tsmithe> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[09:39] <tsmithe> You are logged in as Toby Smithe"
[09:40] <adamant1988> wow
[09:40] <adamant1988> the ubuntu home page is BACK to normal
[09:40] <beuno> tsmithe: sorry, https://launchpad.net/bugs/8242/+text
[09:40] <tsmithe> why couldn't i see the other one?
[09:40] <beuno> tsmithe: because it's a bug I reported which was marked private
[09:40] <tsmithe> ah
[09:41] <beuno> I should changed that in the forum now that I think about it, heh
[10:07] <adamant1988> mrevell: Hello again :)
[10:08] <mrevell> adamant1988: hey :)
[10:08] <adamant1988> had a chance to look at the spec?
[10:17] <adamant1988> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/bulletinboard << mrevell
[10:41] <mrevell> adamant1988: Sorry dude. I'll put it on my list for tomorrow.


[00:19] <abdoempire> hi
[01:47] <pycurious> maybe some docker user on ubuntu knows what the issue here is  https://dpaste.org/Wrsey  (happens in ubuntu 24.04lts + lxc container)
[01:48] <sarnold> heya pycurious, this is my guess https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890#unprivileged-user-namespace-restrictions-14
[01:52] <pycurious> @sarnold - https://dpaste.org/P2FiS - this looks like you are in the right direction.
[01:53] <sarnold> pycurious: nice; check dmesg, you'll probably see some more messages there
[02:05] <pycurious> @sarnold type=1400 audit(1713837244.007:652): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" class="mount" info="failed flags match" error=-13 profile="incus-ubuntu-container_</var/lib/incus>" name="/var/lib/docker/165536.165536/vfs/dir/899b9b63502beb3586a2622ab5641f318855f354cdfc7d8141036118b756e858/proc/" pid=153686 comm="runc:[2:INIT]" fstype="proc" srcname="proc" flags="rw, nosuid, nodev, noexec"
[02:16] <pycurious> fixed the issue, thanks!
[05:14] <tarzeau> reading https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/03/gnome-46-new-features i wonder what is the details on "Remote login using RDP", gnome-remote-thing or xrdp? probably the first
[05:17] <Bashing-om> !next | tarzeau
[05:24] <Jim`> When is the next LTS release?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Jim`: 25 april
[05:24] <Jim`> lotuspsychje: Guess I might as well wait a few days then
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> !final | Jim`
[05:25] <Jim`> M$ is pushing Win 11 down our throats and aint nobody got no money under Biden'twin to buy a new setup
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Jim`: feel free to join the #ubuntu-release-party channel
[05:26] <Jim`> lotuspsychje: I just hope I can get my HP Deskjet 2040 to work
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Jim`: depending on your HP model, some models might need a latest hplip version, instead of the hplip version default on the ubuntu repos
[05:28] <Jim`> lotuspsychje: I suppose I can try all that under Live ?
[05:28] <Jim`> before I go installing?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Jim`: you can test the add printer in a live
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> see if it picks up your model by default
[05:29] <Jim`> lotuspsychje: That's the only thing I'm worried about.  My games run under Linux now anyway.
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> Jim`: its a minor thing, HP printers are supported pretty well under Ubuntu
[07:18] <gebbione> hi all, is it normal that last reboot shows two entries as still running https://termbin.com/752n ?
[07:39] <Apachez> when in the boot process are the stuff from /etc/sysctl.conf being applied?
[07:58] <aatki> JOIN #cha1
[07:58] <aatki> PASS poi
[09:12] <kn_34> allo
[09:29] <mozambique> ckserv identify wantmykids
[12:02] <MaddieMouse> hey everyone o/  was hoping to get a question answered ^.^
[12:04] <MaddieMouse> I've installed the latest ubuntu on my Asus TUF laptop, been great so far! Came across a weird problem: my WASD keys dont really work simultaneously for some reason
[12:04] <MaddieMouse> like when I hold down W and press A, the A isnt triggered
[12:05] <MaddieMouse> same issue with my mouse (no mouse movement when holding down a key on the keyboard)
[12:05] <MaddieMouse> is there a fix out there for this? :3
[12:13] <ioria> MaddieMouse, on games ?
[12:15] <MaddieMouse> ioria: yes!
[12:16] <ioria> MaddieMouse, what's the kb layout in use  ?
[12:16] <MaddieMouse> USA layout :3
[12:16] <Alo> 33
[12:17] <MaddieMouse> English (US)
[12:17] <Alo> ALO
[12:19] <ioria> MaddieMouse, try the varaint :  English (US, alt. intl.)
[12:19] <ioria> *variant
[12:19] <MaddieMouse> i'm a bit of a linux noob tbh
[12:20] <MaddieMouse> on the keyboard settings GUI, the list of keyboard layouts dont have English (US, alt. intl.)
[12:20] <MaddieMouse> there's English (US), (UK), etc...
[12:20] <ioria> MaddieMouse, it should; press '+'
[12:21] <meandrain> what is the recommended swap size for a linux server ?
[12:22] <ioria> MaddieMouse, select English (United States)
[12:22] <ioria> MaddieMouse, and scroll down
[12:22] <MaddieMouse> oh!
[12:22] <MaddieMouse> ok I see now
[12:23] <MaddieMouse> ok, I selected it
[12:23] <MaddieMouse> should probably restart?
[12:23] <ioria> nope
[12:24] <MaddieMouse> Iĺl give it a run then and see ^.^ hope it works!
[12:24] <ioria> but probably would depend on the game
[12:25] <MaddieMouse> ahh kk
[12:26] <MaddieMouse> wow it actually works :D now my only issue is the mouse wont move when holding down a key :3
[12:28] <ioria> that's , maybe, a mouse setting... disable when typing or similar, idk
[12:29] <MaddieMouse> thanks for the help though ^.^ progress!
[12:30] <ioria> MaddieMouse, try with gnome-tweaks -> mouse
[12:30] <MaddieMouse> Iĺl look into it :D cheers <3
[12:30] <ioria> ok
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:37] <olle> what's the deal with wine on ubuntu 22.04-lts?
[12:37] <olle> https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=37388
[12:37] <tyrone_j> what deal?
[12:42] <olle> Broken as f
[12:42] <leftyfb> olle: try installing it from scratch using the ubuntu repo's, not the 3rd party repo.
[12:44] <olle> I'm just using apt
[12:45] <leftyfb> olle: please pastebin the error you are getting
[12:49] <olle> It's  libgphoto2-6:i386 : Depends: libgd3:i386 (>= 2.1.0~alpha~) but it is not installable
[12:49] <olle> but same error as other people are getting
[12:50] <olle> Ah wait, the program actually has linux packages, I might not need wine, lol
[12:58] <ioria> olle, you got libgd3 from a sury ppa, probably
[12:58] <leftyfb> olle: do you still need help with wine?
[13:03] <tyrone_j> i decided to test if yabridge needs wine-staging and it doesn't. 9.0-stable works fine. maybe some newer plugins need wine-staging
[13:09] <olle> leftyfb: not 100% sure, the program has a linux client but
[13:09] <olle> it didn't get the folder right
[14:27] <Guest8538> Hello from OnePlus 6T on postmarketOS
[17:44] <erradi> hello
[19:44] <Guest76> KDE network manager is constantly altering my wireguard configuration in /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf even though I removed wg0 from network manager interfaces. How do I tell it not to change settings anymore? Right now, if I manually fill out wg0.conf with my desired settings, when I start the service ("systemctl start wg-quick@wg0") then KDE network
[19:44] <Guest76> manager overwrites the configuration files with its own settings
[19:45] <leftyfb> Guest76: why not configure wireguard in network manager?
[19:47] <Guest76> Because it breaks everything
[19:47] <leftyfb> define "breaks" and "everything"
[19:47] <Guest76> It randomly sets listening ports when I didn't ask it to, alters the IP addresses without me asking it to, changes CIDR settings without me asking it to. And then if I try to manually change these things back it overwrites my changes
[19:48] <leftyfb> Guest76: did you try configuring a wireguard profile in the network manager GUI (nm-connection-editor)?
[19:48] <Guest76> yes
[19:48] <leftyfb> Guest76: https://www.xmodulo.com/wireguard-vpn-network-manager-gui.html
[19:49] <leftyfb> https://www.xmodulo.com/wireguard-vpn-network-manager-gui.html#:~:text=on%20%2B%20button.-,NetworkManager,-version%201.26.2%20and
[19:49] <sarnold> Guest76: this might work https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/configuring_and_managing_networking/configuring-networkmanager-to-ignore-certain-devices_configuring-and-managing-networking
[19:50] <Guest76> leftyfb - Is there something that you think I should be seeing in that guide, because following the instructions there is what broke everything
[19:50] <Guest76> I made mistake of trying to make the configuration settings in KDE network manager match the ones that I had manually written in wg0.conf
[19:51] <Guest76> the ones I wrote had been working, but once I touched settings in KDE network manager, everything is permanently broken.
[19:51] <Guest76> is there a way to just stop KDE network manager from ever touching settings, at all?
[19:51] <leftyfb> yes
[19:52] <leftyfb> sarnold: gave you a link telling you how
[20:17] <Guest23> Sorry if anyone already responded, but I got disconnected. Does anyone know how to make it where KDE network manager doesn't overwrite wireguard config setttings in /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf? I have removed the wg0 interface from network-manager with nmcli device delete wg0 but network manager keeps overwriting the wireguard config file every time I
[20:17] <Guest23> try to restart the service.
[20:17] <Guest23> all I want is for network manager to never touch the file /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf ever again.
[20:17] <leftyfb> 2024 Apr 23 15:49:53 <sarnold>	Guest76: this might work https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/configuring_and_managing_networking/configuring-networkmanager-to-ignore-certain-devices_configuring-and-managing-networking
[20:18] <Guest23> leftyfb - Yes, I tried that, and it didn't fix the problem. It just removed the interface from list of connections in network manager GUI but still keeps overwriting the config
[20:18] <leftyfb> Guest23: please pastebin your /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/99-unmanaged-devices.conf
[20:20] <Guest23> [keyfile]
[20:20] <Guest23> unmanaged-devices=interface-name:wg0
[20:20] <leftyfb> and did you reload network manager?
[20:30] <webchat24> leftyfb, Hey, user formerly known as "Guest23" here (with the wireguard problems) ... I switched to chat on a different computer so I don't keep getting disconnected. I don't know if you saw my response that, yes, I reloaded network manager
[20:31] <leftyfb> and did you reload network manager?
[20:31] <webchat24> `nmcli device show` lists wg0 as unmanaged
[20:31] <webchat24> but it's still re-writing wg0.conf every time I restart the service
[20:33] <webchat24> I replaced wg0.conf with my manually written version, and then when I stop/start wireguard service, it rewrites it with all the random settings (listen ports, incorrect CIDR, FwMark, etc) that KDE network manager started inserting
[20:33] <webchat24> Is there a way to just wipe out Network Manager altogether, purge all of it's configuration files, and then reinstall so that it acts like a clean new copy that was there during initial Ubuntu install?
[20:34] <webchat24> I would rather just re-enter my wifi passwords than waste any more time dealing with this broken mess
[23:22] <ComputerTech> So randomly after rebooting my PC, the gnome authenticator app is now empty, not sure if this is even the correct channel to ask this in, but anyone have any ideas where i can recover the data file of that app?


[13:44] <AskUbuntu_> relation error between nova-compute and nova cloud controller | http://askubuntu.com/q/277139
[15:30] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy!
[15:30] <roaksoax> allenap: howdy! were you able to make a branch available with the changes needed for the cluster_url thing for the FPI?
[15:32] <roaksoax> rvba: were you able to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/ipmi_usercreation_ilo_versions_trunk/+merge/148579 ?
[15:34] <roaksoax> allenap: and does this make sense to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5670766/
[15:34] <rvba> roaksoax: hi.  Sorry, not yet;  I know I'm a bit late with this I'll take a look tomorrow morning first thing.
[15:34] <roaksoax> rvba: awesome! thank you!
[15:35] <rvba> roaksoax: allenap is off today and tomorrow btw.
[15:36] <roaksoax> rvba: plop :) thanks!!
[15:36] <roaksoax> rvba: how was australia btw? lots of gofun?
[15:37] <rvba> roaksoax: it was great :).  We got started on a library written in Go indeed.
[15:37] <roaksoax> rvba: awesome!
[15:39] <rvba> roaksoax: do you have a list of the things we need to do (for the FPI, etc) in MAAS?
[15:39] <rvba> There is https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/ipmi_usercreation_ilo_versions_trunk/+merge/148579
[15:39] <rvba> Then https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/preseed-cluster-host/+merge/149954 … ?
[15:40] <rvba> And then there is bug #1148016.
[15:40] <rvba> roaksoax: These are the 3 things I have on my TODO list… anything else?
[15:41] <roaksoax> rvba: allenap branch above as bigjools mentions it doesn';y fix the issue really, but it is an improvement to the code. I already made changes to that to support the cluster_host correctly
[15:41] <roaksoax> rvba: so bug #1148016 is the real blocker right now
[15:41] <rvba> roaksoax: ok… allenap is working on this one IIRC.
[15:42] <roaksoax> rvba: the bug is happening specially when the cluster controller is not managing any interfaces... hence maas doesn't know how to tell that a node belongs to a particular cluster controller
[15:42] <roaksoax> and I tested that in the same network
[15:43] <rvba> All right.
[15:43] <rvba> I think we've identified where the problem is.  The only trick is that we will need to tweak the lab's network setup after the fix for this lands.
[15:43] <rvba> That's what alexlist was investigating.
[15:44] <roaksoax> biut i'm guessing its the same case on cluster with different networks (not managing dhcp/dns)
[15:44] <rvba> err, allenap
[15:45] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah he did say he was gonna make a branch available for me to test
[15:46] <rvba> roaksoax: I can probably do that for you since he is off today… would a branch based on trunk work for you?
[15:47] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah that would be perfect
[15:56] <rvba> roaksoax: lp:~rvb/maas/all-interfaces
[15:56] <rvba> roaksoax: that branch changes the way we guess to which nodegroup a node should be attached.
[15:56] <rvba> All the interfaces are considered, not just the managed ones.
[15:57] <rvba> So, if you configure the interfaces correctly (and still leaves them "unmanaged"), you should be able to get the detection working, even when using an external DHCP server.
[15:58] <roaksoax> rvba: ok awesome! I'm gonna test it
[15:59] <roaksoax> thanks for making it available
[15:59] <rvba> np


[21:25] <ohzie> Hey
[21:25] <ohzie> :D
[21:25] <thebwt> hello
[21:30] <ohzie> :D
[21:30] <ohzie> The ubuntu-austin channel is always quiet
[21:30] <ohzie> but you guys seem to be awake a lot
[21:30] <ohzie> Any Austinites? :D
[21:33] <thebwt> <- austinite
[21:36] <ohzie> Sweet
[21:36] <ohzie> I've only lived in Austin for three years
[21:36] <ohzie> but I'm getting used to the whole sun thing
[21:36] <ohzie> that was difficult
[21:36] <thebwt> hehe
[21:36] <thebwt> I moved here in 08 myself.
[21:38] <ohzie> Nice


[04:24] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[05:48] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[05:49] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy inetpro superfly pavlushka paddatrapper bushtech anton_may theblazehen and others too
[05:50] <bushtech> Morning Kilos, others
[05:51] <Kilos> hi zipper
[05:51] <Kilos> i thought i better greet before you become jellie
[05:59] <mazal> Mornings
[06:06] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Really enjoying KDE, and I've only been using it for about 15 minutes
[06:09] <Kilos> w00000t
[06:11] <mazal> Another kde man :)
[06:11] <paddatrapper> Now I just need to get used to things like Activities and QT versions of GTK applications
[06:19] <Kilos> you will see paddatrapper after a month of getting used to it you wont want to change again
[06:19] <Kilos> wb  mazal
[06:20] <paddatrapper> I love how everything ties into everything else. Looks very slick
[06:20] <Kilos> if you  dont have a cap you can install kubuntu-full i think its called
[06:20] <Kilos> then it has lots of stuff to use
[06:22] <paddatrapper> I see. apt install kubuntu-full?
[06:22] <Kilos> lemme check in synaptic
[06:23] <paddatrapper> Currently updating everything, otherwise I'd just check quickly
[06:23] <Kilos> ya kubuntu-full
[06:24] <Kilos> did you use the advice on the link 20 cool things to do after installing kubuntu 14.04
[06:24] <paddatrapper> Busy following it - first was the update
[06:24] <Kilos> can even give the file goodie root powers
[06:25] <mazal> Kilos, is paddatrapper using 14.04 ? On 16.04 most of those 20 things don't work
[06:26] <paddatrapper> Yeah I am using 14.04
[06:26] <mazal> k
[06:26] <Kilos> good lad
[06:26] <mazal> I went through those 20 things on 16.04 and plenty of them doesn't work
[06:26] <mazal> Some still do
[06:28] <mazal> Lekker bang vir 16.04 nê lol
[06:29] <Kilos> see mazal he didnt take years to convince either
[06:29] <theblazehen> morning Kilos, others
[06:29] <Kilos> i have lots of outside work today so will be slow with answers
[06:29] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[06:30] <mazal> Morning theblazehen
[06:30] <theblazehen> Hi mazal. How are you?
[06:30] <mazal> Kilos, it didn't take so long with me
[06:30] <mazal> okish and you theblazehen
[06:30] <theblazehen> I'm alright thanks. Really busy..
[06:32] <paddatrapper> hey theblazehen
[06:32] <theblazehen> hey paddatrapper
[06:38] <magespawn> good morning
[06:39] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:41] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos , how can I help you?
[06:43] <Kilos> smile pavlushka
[06:43] <magespawn> hi pavlushka
[06:45] <pavlushka> today I've installed k3b, kde based after failing brasero, it works way better.
[06:45] <pavlushka> And hello every one!
[06:46] <paddatrapper> hey pavlushka
[06:46] <Kilos> k3b rocks
[06:47] <Kilos> oh paddatrapper look at systemback
[06:47] <Kilos> can make an installable stick of your running system in case you mess up
[06:48] <chesedo> good morning all, hope all (za peeps) enjoyed the long weekend
[06:48] <Kilos> i tiried the live option now i have a stick i can plug into any pc and have same system running as here
[06:48] <paddatrapper> Oh nice, very useful! Can it be used as a live USB as well?
[06:49] <paddatrapper> That answers my question, awesome
[06:49] <paddatrapper> Hey chesedo
[06:49] <Kilos> there are many options
[06:49] <Kilos> 4.7g iso it made
[06:50] <paddatrapper> I'm off. I'll be back later
[06:50] <Kilos> and it writes to the stick easily
[06:50] <Kilos> be good
[08:55] <paddatrapper> The problem with having a new setup is that it means I will most certainly not be studying for the tests I have coming up...
[08:56] <chesedo> lol paddatrapper, know the struggle
[08:57]  * chesedo suppose to be working in his notes
[08:59] <paddatrapper> lol
[09:08] <Kilos> study paddatrapper
[09:08] <Kilos> study comes first
[09:09] <Kilos> the new setup is going nowhere slowly, it will wait for you
[09:09] <paddatrapper> But it's fun, calculus is repetetive
[09:20] <magespawn> back again
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:40] <mazal> maaz google kdeinit5
[10:40] <Maaz> mazal: "Ubuntu Manpage: kdeinit5 - Launcher for applications built with ..." http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man8/kdeinit5.8.html :: "kdeinit5 could not start - FedoraForum.org" http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=304622 :: "Bug #1411259 “kdeinit5 crashes on logout and log in screen never ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1411259 :: "Re:
[10:40] <Maaz> Upgrade warning: KDE/Plasma 5 stuff broken" https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2015/09/msg…
[10:43] <mazal> That wasn't much help
[10:44] <mazal> maaz google kdeinit5 crashed when working with partitions
[10:44] <Maaz> mazal: "OpenSUSE Leap 42.1-RC1 | Thoughts on computing" https://nwrickert2.wordpress.com/2015/10/17/opensuse-leap-42-1-rc1/ :: "Test Cycle 2016.03 ISO - KaOS" http://kaosx.us/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1371 :: "[solved but not nvidia] System hangs starting X (SDDM / KDE Plasma ..." https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=209511 :: "KaOS 2016.01 review - The fallen
[10:44] <Maaz> angel - Dedoimedo" http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kaos-2016-01.html :: "Manjaro KDE 0.…
[10:46] <mazal> Seems there is a problem between gparted and kdeinit5. Everytime I create partitions with gparted that app/services crashes
[10:47] <mazal> Wil do the next one with KDE's built-in partition app and see what happens
[11:25] <mazal> Another bug and it's not fixed in 16.04 :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasque/+bug/1448512
[11:43] <Kilos> just keep bug reporting
[11:43] <mazal> I have 2 more bugs that affects me
[11:43] <Kilos> more reports raise the priority
[11:43] <mazal> 16.04 a very buggy experience so far
[11:43] <Kilos> well i told you wair
[11:43] <Kilos> wait
[11:44] <mazal> Remember why the rush oom , I was desperate to get of Winbloze at home
[11:44] <Kilos>  best to install 3 months after release
[11:44] <mazal> Otherwise I would have waited for .1 release
[11:44] <Kilos> nono you could have gone 14.04
[11:45] <mazal> Don't want to re-install now and again later
[11:45] <Kilos> just keep reporting bugs
[11:45] <Kilos> one of the dev guys laptops wouldnt boot this morning
[11:45] <mazal> This system icons missing one seems to be around since 15.10 already
[11:50] <mazal> I'm actually thinking of adding unity until kde/plasma become more stable , but ish I don't like unity
[11:50] <Kilos> i think you will find more bugs in unity
[11:51] <Kilos> if the bugs are wasting your time go back to 14.04
[11:51] <mazal> I'll try and live with it for now. Re-installing is too big a job
[11:52] <Kilos> lol
[11:52] <mazal> The two main ones left for me is the missing email system tray icon and kde5init regularly crashing
[11:52] <mazal> The latter is worrying me
[11:53] <mazal> The icon I can live without , but that init app might be important. Couldn't really get proper info on it
[11:54] <Kilos> open synaptic and reinstall all the init packages, maybe there is a patch released already
[11:56] <Kilos> oh mazal what did you choose in systemback to make it installable
[11:57] <Kilos> i chose live and it works fine but doesnt show an install goodie
[11:58] <mazal> The install is only in the boot menu
[11:59] <mazal> There is an option " run installer "
[11:59] <Kilos> oh ill check that again ty
[11:59] <mazal> There is no shortcut in live mode
[12:00] <mazal> btw , did you guys beat that duel-boot with Win 10 ?
[12:00] <mazal> I lost track of the progress on that one
[12:00] <Kilos> yes its running
[12:00] <mazal> kewl
[12:01] <Kilos> had to tell bios to boot from u buntu
[12:01] <mazal> oi
[12:01] <Kilos> first time ive seen that
[12:01] <mazal> eufi/secure boot
[12:01] <mazal> An example of what I said the other day of change does not equal better
[12:01] <Kilos> i dunno , will have to ask langjan
[12:02] <mazal> I read in that doc I linked that is one of the uefi "features". You have to tell the bios to allow ubuntu to boot
[12:03] <mazal> And have two places inside Win 10 that must be done also
[12:03] <Kilos> 10 is a curse on mankind i think
[12:03] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes
[12:04] <mazal> Change ≠ better
[12:04] <mazal> Ah my compose key works at least lol
[12:04] <Kilos> lol
[12:05] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos
[12:05] <Wolfeyes> hey everyone
[12:05] <mazal> Hi Wolfeyes
[12:05] <Wolfeyes> hy mazal
[12:10] <mazal> oom Kilos , I think I must kill my rss app
[12:10] <mazal> They keep posting today about new releases :P
[12:11] <mazal> The PS4 kind
[12:20] <Kilos> lol
[12:23] <mazal> Bye for now
[12:58] <nlsthzn> o/
[13:07] <superfly> o/
[13:07] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[13:08] <nlsthzn> hi superfly, uncle Kilos :)
[13:08]  * superfly is a zombie today
[13:09] <nlsthzn> sounds like me on a normal day >.<
[13:09] <nlsthzn> and today is such a day :D
[13:10] <nlsthzn> silly konversation, why u no spell check :/
[13:11] <superfly> nlsthzn: kids were up last night
[13:11] <superfly> and I didn't sleep well
[13:11] <Kilos> ai!
[13:12] <nlsthzn> sorry to hear.  can make a long day very long
[13:13] <nlsthzn> 16.04 giving me sound issues again... other than that it seems to be pretty solid :(
[13:14] <Kilos> kde nlsthzn ?
[13:15] <nlsthzn> all of the flavours... corruption in sound using steam
[13:15] <nlsthzn> intermittent corruption
[13:15] <Kilos> ai!
[13:15] <nlsthzn> pita
[13:17]  * nlsthzn will be back... using MS patented fix - rebooting :p
[13:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:22] <magespawn> chat later all, on the road
[13:22] <Kilos> go well
[13:25] <nlsthzn> multimedia can be strange... had to install the weirdest codec to get m4a files to play
[13:25] <nlsthzn> and spell check still not automatically working >.<
[13:25] <nlsthzn> grrrr
[13:27] <inetpro> goeie more
[13:27] <inetpro> The Ubuntu Online Summit starts in 30 minutes! Join us for 3 days of interactive content to learn, participate and talk about Ubuntu's present and future. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/2016-05-03
[13:28] <nlsthzn> hey inetpro... thanks for the heads up :)
[13:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: just follow @ubuntuappdev on Telegram or go to https://telegram.me/ubuntuappdev for other future news
[13:30]  * inetpro likes this kinda service on Telegram
[13:34] <inetpro> another one I follow is https://telegram.me/kubuntu
[13:34] <inetpro> oh and then there is our own one at https://telegram.me/ubuntuza
[13:43] <inetpro> if only oom Kilos knew what is good for him he would be exploiting this service already a long time ago
[13:45] <theblazehen> Wow..
[13:46] <theblazehen> I wrote horrible code today, in order to interface with a (IMO) horrible api
[14:14] <theblazehen> hey Maaz
[14:14] <theblazehen> mazal
[14:15] <mazal> hi
[14:35] <theblazehen> How are you mazal?
[14:36] <mazal> no comment
[14:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:43] <mazal> One day bad , the next day worse
[14:47] <theblazehen> mazal: That sucks :/ Want to talk about what's happening or nah?
[14:48] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[14:51] <mazal> no thanx theblazehen
[14:51] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos
[14:52] <theblazehen> Hi andrewlsd
[14:53] <Kilos> inetpro what are you on about , me exploiting telegram
[14:59] <Kilos> i use telegram just for ian and the girls
[15:04] <paddatrapper> I wish more people used it as aposed to Whatsapp. So much easier to create bots, etc. for
[15:09] <Kilos> i have too many channels and mailing lists to want to add more stuff
[15:09] <Kilos> i need to retire
[15:11] <Kilos> padda do you get these https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue464
[15:13] <paddatrapper> I don't, no
[15:14] <Kilos> you can read it online i think
[15:14] <Kilos> i cant remember how i got to get it in mails
[15:15] <Kilos> maybe there is a subscribe button
[15:17] <gremble> Good evening
[15:17] <Kilos> hi gremble
[15:17] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[15:17] <Kilos> ok ty just tired
[15:17] <Kilos> lol getting like everyone else
[15:17] <gremble> Long day of work? :P
[15:17] <Kilos> redshift didnt help me sleep last night
[15:18] <gremble> Ah. Well, get to bed early tonight. Or at least stop looking at a screen so late. You are getting like those youngens :P
[15:19] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:19] <gremble> I am excited though. I finally got a job. I am a professional writer now :D
[15:21] <Kilos> congrats
[15:21] <Kilos> what are you writing
[15:21] <gremble> My first project is an N6 mathematics textbook
[15:21] <Kilos> cool
[15:25] <gremble> Anyway. I am off to go learn how to fight using historic weapons. talk to you later
[15:26] <paddatrapper> gremble: Don't you just swing and hope it hits the other guy before he hits you?
[15:29] <Kilos> haha
[15:29] <gremble> paddatrapper, No, because then the other guy will hit you :P If you ever find yourself somewhat curious, let me know, I will send you a textbook that I like. :P
[15:30] <gremble> I am doing Italian sabre at the moment, but I'm quite keen on the D\utch wrestling.
[15:30] <gremble> Anyway, I am popping out. :P
[15:30] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:31] <paddatrapper> I've always been curious - dabled in blacksmithing a little, but never could afford good tools and materials. Also done some reading on fencing styles which was interesting
[16:23] <Kilos> too much inetpro
[16:24] <Kilos> power gone
[17:25] <Kilos> power came back
[17:31] <Kilos> seems like you all asleep. maybe i should sleep as well
[17:36] <paddatrapper> ot asleep, just frantically studying
[17:36] <paddatrapper> s/ot/not
[17:37] <Kilos> god , study lad
[17:37] <Kilos> good
[17:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:11] <gremble> What are you frantically studying, paddatrapper?
[20:14] <paddatrapper> gremble: maths - calculus 1 (so proofs for Africa)
[20:15] <gremble> Shout if you need assistance.
[20:15] <gremble> I study mathematics
[20:15]  * gremble pops collar
[20:18] <paddatrapper> Thanks. For the moment I'm finding it pretty straight forward, but I'm sure I'll need some prodding later in the year!
[20:18] <paddatrapper> Where are you studying?
[20:33] <paddatrapper> Alright Night everyone
[20:38] <gremble> Cheers paddatrapper
[20:38] <gremble> I study at UP


[08:02] <chonkas> hi i cant get the programs i need to either install or run properly
[08:06] <alkisg> Which programs? What do you mean?
[08:06] <chonkas> well i have cs4 adobe master pack and i cant seem to run dvd's
[08:07] <chonkas> i cant seem to install adobe
[08:07] <alkisg> Does that program have a linux version/
[08:07] <alkisg> ?
[14:04] <AndyGraybeal> okay, i need some help -- i am trying to install a scanner on a client, and maybe eventually share it with everyone.  i'm following these instructions<EMAIL_ADDRESS>although i'm very confused.  i have installed inetd and sane-utils as sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get... i get the testing xterm to run locally.. hurray.  i'm very confused when it comes to editing the
[20:01] <sbalneav> So, can someone explain what all this "Opportunistic development" hooha is?
[20:06] <mhall119|work> sbalneav: basically is about being able to quickly write a program that fulfills a need
[20:07] <mhall119|work> something small enough that you don't need to form a large, multi-developer project to get it off the ground
[20:07] <mhall119|work> but big enough that you can't do it in a few lines of Perl
[20:08] <mhall119|work> giving you the 'opportunity' to scratch your own itch quickly and easily
[20:20] <JZA> hi everyone
[20:21] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: nixternal: JZA is part of the OOo4Kids project, and would like to start the process of getting OOo4kids into universe
[20:21] <highvoltage> hi JZA!
[20:21] <JZA> highvoltage: nice to meet you
[20:21] <mhall119|work> they already have .deb packages
[20:22] <highvoltage> they'll need feature freeze exceptions, but they can still make it in of course
[20:22] <JZA> highvoltage: we have this site for most of our download builds http://download.ooo4kids.org/
[20:22] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: that would be awesome of they can make it into Lucid, otherwise Lucid+1 would  be good too
[20:23] <mhall119|work> I have to go back to work (out at lunch right now), but I'll be back around in a little while
[20:23] <sbalneav> JZA: Greetings, and welcome to our merry band of misfits.
[20:23] <highvoltage> ok see you later mhall119|work
[20:23] <highvoltage> heh.
[20:23] <highvoltage> sbalneav: couldn't have sed it better myself
[20:24] <JZA> sbalneav: thanks
[20:24] <JZA> highvoltage: is there anything that you need from us?
[20:25] <JZA> highvoltage: so far we support english, spanish, french dutch, german, italian, japanese and portuguese locales.
[20:28] <highvoltage> JZA: what mhall119|work has been working on, and what would be very nice is to have qimo in the ubuntu repositories so that Ubuntu users couldd just install qimo from their ubuntu systems if they wanted to
[20:29] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: Qimo isn't using OOo4Kids this cycle
[20:29] <mhall119|work> I just wanted to help them get into Universe ;)
[20:29] <highvoltage> JZA: I've seen screenshots of OOo4kids before, but never installed it
[20:30] <highvoltage> JZA: do you have to ship an entire openoffice distribution, or is it a plugin to openoffice?
[20:30] <JZA> highvoltage: is a different product
[20:30] <mhall119|work> okay, really going back to work now...
[20:30] <mhall119|work> bbl
[20:30] <JZA> mhall119|work: thanks for everything
[20:31] <mhall119|work> np
[20:31] <highvoltage> JZA: it would be a nice addition to Edubuntu I think! I've had a bit of a long day so I might not make the most of sense at the moment, it would be great if you could ping me again tomorrow though
[20:32] <highvoltage> JZA: we'll be very happy to have you as part of the community here, we also have team meeetings every Wednesday at 19:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting, you're welcome to join that as well
[20:33] <JZA> highvoltage: I'll try to ping you tomorrow
[20:33] <JZA> highvoltage: where are you located? just to know when is the best time to catch up with you.
[20:34] <highvoltage> JZA: South Africa, same timezone as Germany/Spain/etc basically
[20:35] <highvoltage> JZA: although I tend to stay up a bit later since I work for a Canadian company
[20:35] <highvoltage> today is just different because I had to be up early this morning for a test :)
[20:36] <JZA> highvoltage: I see, I am in CST (-05:00) but would surely ping you
[20:37] <highvoltage> JZA: excellent
[20:37] <JZA> bye now
[21:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> hi.  did the specs for the artwork ever get worked out?
[21:22] <reynolds> Is there anyone around who can help me with video issues on my clients


[19:44] <arraybolt3> Not sure if anyone else is actively fixing Python 3.12 stuff at this moment, but if so, I'm taking abinit unless someone else already is working on it.
[19:46] <arraybolt3> does it count as patch piloting to be working on transition fixes?
[19:46] <arraybolt3> I don't think so, but anyway.
[20:20] <vorlon> no, patch piloting is specifically about being a resource for non-uploaders who are trying to get changes included in Ubuntu
[21:37] <arraybolt3> so... how exactly do I handle a package that isn't ready for Python 3.12 at all? Do I port it and forward the port upstream? Or is there a documented (ro at least standard) way to force something to use Python 3.11 only?
[21:37] <arraybolt3> I did something similar to the latter once but it was for the tests I think
[21:46] <jbicha> Ubuntu 24.04 LTS is not expected to have Python 3.11 available at all
[21:46] <arraybolt3> (as opposed to being for the whole package build process - I'm fighting with a package that uses Python in part of it)
[21:48] <arraybolt3> jbicha: I'm trying to help get Python 3.12 to migrate currently. I figure software that isn't ready for it yet will eventually becme ready (or get left behind), but right now there are packages that need to ignore it so they can pass.
[21:49] <arraybolt3> currently abinit is building with Python 3.11 but not 3.12.
[21:50] <arraybolt3> I suppose I *could* try to upgrade it to Python 3.12 and see if I can give upstream a needed shove in the right direction
[21:50] <jbicha> you can file Launchpad bugs for things that don't work with Python 3.12. There might already be Debian bugs
[21:50] <arraybolt3> kk makes sense
[21:54] <jbicha> if not, a Debian bug would be helpful since Debian is trying to finish the Python 3.12 transition soon too
[22:01] <arraybolt3> sounds good, also I'm filing an upstream bug
[22:01] <arraybolt3> yeah, no Debian bug. I'll get that filed too.
[22:05] <vorlon> packages that aren't compatible with python3.12 get dropped
[22:05] <vorlon> (if not fixed)
[22:06] <arraybolt3> Makes sense to me.  :P)
[22:06] <arraybolt3> "Backwards compatibility? What's that?"
[22:30] <vorlon> backwards compatibility with, in this case, python2.  all the languages old enough to *have* a longer deprecation cycle are worse languages in much more important ways.
[22:30] <vorlon> and abinit looks like it's a one-line fix?
[22:33] <arraybolt3> vorlon: nope. turns out it's way harder than that.
[22:33] <arraybolt3> I just tried to do the one-line fix only to find out that abinit doesn't even *build* with Python 3.12 enabled.
[22:34] <vorlon> do you want to paste the error?
[22:34] <arraybolt3> sec
[22:34] <vorlon> since it's not a short build
[22:34] <arraybolt3> https://github.com/abinit/abinit/issues/69
[22:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Issue 69 in abinit/abinit "Python 3.12 incompatibilities" [Open]
[22:34] <arraybolt3> doesn't happen if you leave -proposed disabled so that you're using Python 3.11.
[22:36] <vorlon> well the abisrc.py script is broken already without python3.12
[22:36] <vorlon> RuntimeError: Found two Fortran files with same basename `/tmp/abinit-9.10.4/shared/common/src/02_clib/m_fsockets.F90` and other in dir `/tmp/abinit-9.10.4/src/02_clib/abinit.src`
[22:36] <vorlon> that's not a python3.12 incompatibility, it looks more like building when python3.12 is present causes some code to be invoked which wasn't otherwise
[22:37] <arraybolt3> oh good catch
[22:37] <arraybolt3> well perhaps that will help upstream dig up deeper issues, I'll look at the build logs.
[22:39] <arraybolt3> vorlon: where are you seeing that? I don't see it in my bug report, and I don't see it in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/694336606/buildlog_ubuntu-noble-amd64.abinit_9.10.4-2_BUILDING.txt.gz either.
[22:41] <sudip> arraybolt3: "SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence" should be an easy fix. python 3.12 needs raw strings
[22:42] <arraybolt3> sudip: Right. The issue is that if Python 3.12 isn't supported yet (which is obviously isn't), and it's unsupported enough that a build is failing and tests are failing because of it, porting the whole thing to Python 3.12 may be time-consuming, dangerous (since now we're shipping an entire feature that upstream doesn't have, namely support for a newer version of Python), difficult to
[22:42] <arraybolt3> maintain, and probably work that upstream would want to have anyway.
[22:43] <arraybolt3> but it sounds like vorlon found an issue even deeper invovling Fortran code in abinit, and if that's the case them 👋 thanks I'm out :P I'm not touching Fortran with a ten-foot pole if I can avoid it. (that's a joke, I will try to fight with it if I have to, but I know literally zero Fortran so...)
[22:46] <vorlon> arraybolt3: look at the redirected output in abisrc.stderr
[22:46] <vorlon> actually sorry, the above was with python3.11
[22:46] <vorlon> with python3.12 it's a different failure
[22:46] <arraybolt3> looking
[22:46] <vorlon>     import imp
[22:46] <vorlon> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp'
[22:46] <vorlon> that's the python3.12 failure
[22:47] <arraybolt3> found it
[22:47] <arraybolt3> that's probably the error they need to see
[22:47] <arraybolt3> I'll attach that to the bug report.
[22:48]  * sudip has seen a bug report for another package about "No module named 'imp'"
[22:48] <sudip> LP: #2049942
[22:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2049942 in passenger (Ubuntu) "Python 3.12, ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049942
[22:54] <vorlon> had to resort fo stackoverflow for an answer to translating the obsolete syntax https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69884878/replacing-imp-with-importlib-maintaining-old-behavior
[22:54] <vorlon> s/fo/to/
[22:56] <vorlon> so, 3-line change
[23:11] <arraybolt3> alright, what am I doing wrong.
[23:12] <arraybolt3> echo "Package: src:*python*:any" > /etc/apt/preferences.d/99proposed
[23:12] <arraybolt3> echo "Pin: release a=experimental" >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/99proposed
[23:12] <arraybolt3> echo "Pin-Priority: 950" >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/99proposed
[23:12] <arraybolt3> ^ that's in a script that sbuild runs automatically when attempting to build against Sid (or anything else, but I'll disable it after trying to build this thing with Sid).
[23:13] <arraybolt3> for some reason apt seems to ignore this in the schroot and I end up with Python 3.11 installed instead and nothing is downloaded from Experimental. Yet, https://packages.debian.org/experimental/python3
[23:13] <arraybolt3> obviously I've gotten confused about how apt pinning works, that *should* snag python3-default (and everything else with python in the source package name too).
[23:14] <arraybolt3> for clarity, yes I do have... oh... I am silly.
[23:15] <arraybolt3> echo "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian experimental main";
[23:15] <arraybolt3> :face_palm: you know I might actually want to redirect that output to a file or something...
[23:15] <arraybolt3> ok, thanks everyone for letting me rubber-duck debug
[23:26] <arraybolt3> \o/ reproduced the failure on Debian


[08:30] <matumba> kwwii, when will we be able to add images to 'Ubuntu Artwork' on flickr?
[08:33] <thorwil> matumba: why do you think you can't, currently?
[08:34] <matumba> thorwil, because flickr tells me: "Adding items to Ubuntu Artwork has been disabled."
[08:36] <thorwil> matumba: ok, that's clear then, sorry. i just thought it stayed open all the time and the admin text on http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ would suggest it is (even updated for Maverick)
[08:45] <kwwii> matumba: hrm, not sure why that is diabled
[08:45] <kwwii> matumba: I will see if I can turn it back on
[08:47] <kwwii> matumba: it is now turned back on, thanks for pointing that out
[08:48] <matumba> kwwii: works now, thanks!
[08:49] <kwwii> matumba: sorry for the trouble
[08:50] <matumba> kwwii, np, bye bye!
[09:20] <vish> kwwii: hey , have you seen this > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475606  ?
[09:20] <vish> logo is far too similar to Ubuntu's ;s
[19:07] <vish> kwwii: dashua: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/nautilus.png  ;)
[19:07] <vish> nearly close to the mockups ;p
[19:08] <vish> the problem was the breadcrumbs seem to be overlayed as individual buttons , instead of a single widget :/
[19:09] <vish> otherwise we can make the breadcrumbs bg white
[20:35] <dashua> vish, Looks good.  Try it with the bottom scale and it starts getting ugly.
[20:44] <darkmatter> I'm catching up with dinner, because food is palatable today