[05:48] <zsombi> good morning folks!
[07:40] <om26er> gusch, Hi!
[07:40] <gusch> om26er: hi
[07:41] <om26er> gusch, how do I run the unit tests of the gallery ?
[07:41] <gusch> om26er: one way is to run "make test"
[07:42] <om26er> gusch, and the other way ?
[07:42] <gusch> om26er: or you can run then individually, by just calling the executables in tests/unittests/*/
[09:28] <oSoMoN> gusch: I have addressed all your comments in my MR, would you mind having a second look?
[09:28] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[09:33] <gusch> oSoMoN: I approved - waiting for jenkins for top approving
[09:35] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks
[09:41] <oSoMoN> gusch: note that because of a bug in the CI job, the tests that are run are those from the latest package in the daily PPA, not those from the branch being reviewed, which is pointless…
[09:42] <oSoMoN> gusch: I’m trying to resolve that
[09:42] <oSoMoN> gusch: in the meantime, if you could run the autopilot tests for my branch locally, just to confirm that they pass, it’d be nice
[09:42] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[09:48] <gusch> oSoMoN: the tests run fine - you can top approve once you fixed the jenkins issue
[09:48] <oSoMoN> gusch: ok, thanks
[09:56] <oSoMoN> om26er: just sent you an e-mail with a rather urgent matter, can you please have a look at it some time today?
[09:57] <om26er> oSoMoN, read the email, I am looking into that
[09:58] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks
[10:11] <oSoMoN> gusch: considering that I don’t know when the jenkins issue will be fixed (afaict the issue has been around for quite some time, affecting all incoming MRs), and that both you and me verified that autopilot tests pass locally, I’m very tempted to top approve now, would you object to it?
[10:11] <gusch> oSoMoN: I'm fine with that
[10:11] <gusch> oSoMoN: jenkins will anyway object if something is wrong ;)
[10:14] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks, I’m going ahead then
[10:52] <kalikiana> Mirv, do we have an eta for qt 5.1? there's a bug fix very relevant for u1db-qt in there
[10:57] <Mirv> kalikiana: 5.1 beta1 is available at qt5-beta-proper PPA, but the current plan is not to upgrade to 5.1 very soon since it might involve all kinds of regressions. I'd recommend filing a bug against the component and backporting the bug fix to 5.0.2 - there's already a lot of patches in eg. qtdeclarative from 5.1
[10:58] <Mirv> possibly
[10:58] <Mirv> the 5.1.1 release timeframe would be about the time to consider switching
[10:59] <Mirv> if 5.1 is needed for developing new features or such, the PPA can be used to develop those in a branch
[11:03] <kalikiana> Mirv, there's a bug already and a qt review with the patch, should I assign that to you to have a look?
[11:08] <Mirv> kalikiana: yes, please
[11:08] <Mirv> or just a link
[11:09] <kalikiana> Mirv, https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1db-qt/+bug/1181359
[11:09] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1181359 in U1DB Qt/ QML "Documents: Integers are getting corrupted" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:09] <kalikiana> and https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,56072 (also referenced in the qt bug)
[11:21] <Mirv> kalikiana: thanks, looking
[11:35] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-remove-directory-includes/+merge/167702
[11:35] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-medialoader/+merge/167722
[11:36] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-photo-dependency-reduce/+merge/167741
[11:36] <gusch> pending MRs ^ oSoMoN tmoenicke (where is renato?)
[11:38] <oSoMoN> gusch: I guess he’ll be online soon
[11:40] <oSoMoN> gusch: what’s the rationale behind removing the directory includes in favour of adding those directories to the include paths?
[11:43] <gusch> oSoMoN: to make the dependencies more visible
[11:43] <gusch> oSoMoN: there is a total dependency hell inside of gallery atm - that makes it hard to add new stuff (video)
[11:45] <oSoMoN> gusch: I’m skeptical that this will help, but I don’t have a strong opinion against it either, so I’ll verify that it doesn’t break anything, and I’ll approve
[11:49] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx
[11:49] <gusch> oSoMoN: and it did help already in MR 2 and 3 ;)
[12:04] <Kaleo> sorry folks, emergency called
[12:18] <zsombi> Kaleo: sorry dude, 10th of June is not good for me I'm "OoO" that day.. would it be possible to schedule it for some other day?
[12:20] <Kaleo> you are going to ask the organizer
[12:21] <zsombi> Kaleo: ouh, I thought it was you, I got it from you...
[12:21] <Kaleo> zsombi: I only added you to the invite
[12:21] <Kaleo> :)
[12:22] <zsombi> Kaleo: ehh, stupid gugel... :)
[12:26] <Kaleo> loicm: hi
[12:42] <loicm> Kaleo: hey
[12:42] <odraencode> Hey people :D
[13:01] <oSoMoN> gusch: when you build the gallery app locally, you do it out of source, right?
[13:02] <gusch> oSoMoN: mostly - only at the end for autopilto I compile it in source
[13:02] <gusch> oSoMoN: you mean I should update the .bzrignore? that's on my list ...
[13:09] <oSoMoN> gusch: not, that’s not what I meant, I only wanted to test in a different way than the one you usually do, to ensure no regressions in both cases
[13:09] <oSoMoN> gusch: although updating the .bzrignore list would also be nice :)
[13:30] <oSoMoN> gusch: man, I hadn’t realized there was so much C++ code in the gallery :/
[13:30] <oSoMoN> gusch: I made two comments on your MR
[13:30] <gusch> oSoMoN: 42 cpp files in src ;)
[13:30] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - thx I'll have a look
[14:08] <oSoMoN> gusch_: do you have a plan to get rid of circular dependencies in the gallery app?
[14:09] <gusch_> oSoMoN: slowly I want to reduce them - one by one
[14:09] <gusch_> oSoMoN: will take a while and several iterations
[14:09] <oSoMoN> gusch_: good, no rush, but definitely something to keep on the radar
[14:31] <oSoMoN> gusch_: got a MR for you to review when you have a moment (making webbrowser autopilot tests more robust): https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/autopilot-more-robust/+merge/167770
[14:32] <gusch_> oSoMoN: ok
[15:38] <seb128> hey
[15:39] <seb128> does any of the current list items allow to have an item with 2 labels, one aligned on the left and one on the right?
[15:39] <seb128> I looked at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html#list-items and it doesn't seem so (out of putting custom widgets in a Base one)
[15:40] <seb128> would that make sense as a standard item?
[15:41] <seb128> or rather that 2 labels, 2 widgets, or a label and one widget
[15:42] <seb128> that comes often enough in the design of the settings app, e.g https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#Phone the Serial/IEMI/OS lines
[15:42] <seb128> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-wifi
[15:42] <seb128> the wifi on/off
[15:43] <seb128> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Phone the  Ringtone line which is "Ringtone ...... <name of the sound>"
[15:45] <kalikiana> seb128, check the ui toolkit gallery/ list items/ value selector
[15:45] <kalikiana> that looks maybe like what you need?
[15:46] <kalikiana> in ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples if you don't have it installed
[15:48] <seb128> kalikiana, looking to the documentation that seems to have a list of value and select one, with an expander
[15:48] <seb128> which is not especially what I want
[15:48] <seb128> some items are just like
[15:48] <seb128> |Version:                 1.0|
[15:48] <seb128> where Version is left aligned and 1.0 right aligned
[15:52] <kalikiana> seb128, taking the ringtone example you would pick out of a choice of tunes wouldn't you?
[15:52] <seb128> kalikiana, the design is that clicking on it should pop another page
[15:52] <seb128> not open a subsection inline
[15:52] <seb128> pop->push rather
[15:57] <seb128> kalikiana, sorry, got disconnected
[15:57] <seb128> the value selector doesn't seem to do what I need
[15:57] <seb128> well there are several cases there
[15:58] <kalikiana> seb128, so basically it has the looks but you'd need a property like "page: myTuneSelection"
[15:58] <seb128> there is "label ...... value"    "label ...... value >" "label ...... <switch>"
[15:58] <seb128> those are the 3 I can see
[15:59] <seb128> seems like they could fit in a label + widget + status progression: true/false
[16:00] <seb128> kalikiana, doing the page push on click is not the issue ... in fact I've no issue, I can do those just fine with packging stuff in a ListItem.Base
[16:01] <seb128> but I was wondering if that's a common enough case to justify a toolkit widget rather than a custom
[16:03] <odraencode> Hey
[16:04] <odraencode> Why nobody ever says hi to me?
[16:04] <kalikiana> seb128, the main reason I would consider it would be that I think you need some arbitrary tweaks to get the looks right, valueselector is more than subclassing and adding the expanding
[16:05] <kalikiana> seb128, so if it's 10 apps doing those same tweaks and using magic values consistency is about gone
[16:06] <seb128> why would app need to tweak the look of those more that the one of other list items in the toolkit?
[16:08] <kalikiana> seb128, at a glance I saw that valueselector uses an image and some internals
[16:08] <kalikiana> feel free to prove me wrong :-)
[16:08] <kalikiana> if that's not strictly needed I'd just do it in the app
[16:08] <seb128> ok, I'm happy to do it in the app
[16:09] <seb128> it's just that Kaleo said at the oakland sprint to talk to the SDK teams when we have common patterns/widgets
[16:09] <seb128> to see if those should be the toolkit
[16:09] <seb128> so that's what I was doing
[16:09] <seb128> seems like it doesn't interest you guys in this case, fine enough, I will keep packaging my 2 labels in a ListItemBase and tweak the anchors
[16:11] <kalikiana> seb128, well, certainly I'm not the linus of the uitk ;-) I have no idea how many apps may need this exact same component
[16:12] <kalikiana> can't hurt to file a feature suggestion once you have written it, which you will do anyway
[16:12] <kalikiana> suggesting existing new widgets is always useful
[16:25] <gusch_> oSoMoN: I fixed your comment - only waiting for jenkins
[16:27] <gusch_> renato__: would you mind reviewing this? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-medialoader/+merge/167722
[16:37] <oSoMoN> gusch_: approved
[16:38]  * oSoMoN EOD
[16:45] <gusch_> renato__ tmoenicke would you mind reviewing this? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-medialoader/+merge/167722 and or https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-photo-dependency-reduce/+merge/167741
[17:16] <Kaleo> seb128: you should check with the design team
[17:16] <Kaleo> seb128: in the person of calum
[17:18] <Kaleo> seb128: he will tell you if a) the design you were given is justifiably not using an existing pattern b) or if the existing pattern should in fact be adjusted for your case c) or if your case should be adjusted to using the pattern
[17:18] <Kaleo> pattern == widget
[17:19] <odraencode> :/
[17:19] <odraencode> Srsly, nobody says hi to me?
[17:20] <Kaleo> hi odraencode !
[17:20] <odraencode> FINALLY!
[17:20] <odraencode> Hello there Kaleo
[17:20] <Kaleo> odraencode: people are probably deep in there codfe :)
[17:20] <Kaleo> code*
[17:20] <odraencode> Kaleo: I have been here for six hours waiting someoen to say hi
[17:21] <Kaleo> odraencode: I hope you did other things in the meantime
[17:21] <odraencode> Kaleo: Yes. I made a few videos of my project :u
[17:21] <odraencode> Kaleo: And linked them to random people on IRC
[17:21] <odraencode> Kaleo: I like to think that was productive.
[17:21] <Kaleo> odraencode: good
[17:21] <Kaleo> odraencode: is it Ubuntu apps related?
[17:22] <Kaleo> seb128: calum = ckpringle btw
[17:22] <odraencode> Kaleo: It is an app running on Ubuntu. Maybe it is an Ubuntu app!
[17:22] <Kaleo> odraencode: cool!
[17:22] <Kaleo> odraencode: link?
[17:22] <odraencode> Kaleo: To what? The videos?
[17:23] <Kaleo> odraencode: yes
[17:23] <odraencode> Kaleo: http://youtu.be/x4ppo1t_f1M
[17:23] <odraencode> Kaleo: http://youtu.be/LgfsXFD683E
[17:24] <odraencode> Kaleo: http://youtu.be/QsCuhqEnsbM
[17:28] <seb128> Kaleo, thanks
[17:30] <Kaleo> odraencode: cool! is it QML?
[17:38] <timp> seb128: have a look at this http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-singlevalue.html
[17:38] <timp> seb128: the second label is the value
[17:42] <timp> seb128: for a label and a single "widget", use this one http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-singlecontrol.html
[17:42] <seb128> timp, thanks, I was looking at that and it covers one of my usecase ... do you know if there is a way to set another widget as a "value"? (e.g a switch)
[17:43] <seb128> timp, ah, that looks useful, thanks again (I think I tried but didn't know you could position the control as you wanted, the example on that page is useful ;-)
[17:44] <odraencode> Kaleo: QML?
[17:44] <odraencode> Kaleo: what is QML?
[17:46] <timp> seb128: oh wait... with SingleControl, the control fills the list item. So you don't have a label there.
[17:46] <timp> seb128: for label left and control right, you can use http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-standard.html
[17:46] <timp> seb128: set the control property of ListItems.Standard
[17:55] <seb128> timp, great ;-)
[17:57] <nik90> odraencode: QML is the language we use for the upcoming Ubuntu Touch platform
[17:57] <nik90> odraencode: it would be nice if your app uses it so that it will work on the desktop, mobile and tablet
[17:57] <odraencode> nik90: Hmm, it is written in python3/Gtk3, not QML
[17:58] <odraencode> nik90: Besides I don't really know about ubuntu touch, sorry. I just made an image viewer for desktop
[17:58] <nik90> odraencode: yeah I realised
[17:58] <nik90> odraencode: no worries


[00:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: cross-toolchain-base-ports [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [18ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[04:40] <tjaalton> slangasek: yes, it needs nss-pem which needs some static nss libs packaged to build
[04:46] <tjaalton> glandium refuses to package them, so i was thinking of taking it to the tech-ctte
[05:02] <tjaalton> but if the tests are blocking stuff, just ignore them for now..
[05:22] <slangasek> tjaalton: so nss-pem is only needed for the tests?
[05:28] <tjaalton> slangasek: no, it's needed for server install to pass
[05:29] <tjaalton> and useful on the client too, since certmonger needs it
[05:29] <tjaalton> when renewing certificates
[05:30] <slangasek> well, then I'm not sure there's a point in ignoring the test failures to get the package into release... since these are the test failures
[05:31] <tjaalton> not freeipa itself, I thought it's blocking other things
[05:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cross-toolchain-base-ports [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [18ubuntu1]
[05:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [source] (bionic-proposed) [3:14]
[05:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: xorg-lts-transitional [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [3:14] (no packageset)
[05:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: xorg-lts-transitional [arm64] (bionic-proposed/none) [3:14] (no packageset)
[05:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: xorg-lts-transitional [i386] (bionic-proposed/none) [3:14] (no packageset)
[05:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: xorg-lts-transitional [armhf] (bionic-proposed/none) [3:14] (no packageset)
[05:47] <slangasek> tjaalton: not anymore, no
[05:48] <tjaalton> okay
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: xorg-lts-transitional [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/none) [3:14] (no packageset)
[06:12] <tjaalton> cyphermox: any update on the review of pysmi/pycryptodome? bug 1748572
[06:12] <ubot5`> bug 1748572 in pysmi (Ubuntu) "[MIR] pysmi, pycryptodome" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748572
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [3:14]
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [3:14]
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [3:14]
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [3:14]
[06:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [i386] (bionic-proposed) [3:14]
[06:44] <estan> infinity: ah, bugger.
[07:01] <estan> infinity: i'll have a go at those crashes when i'm at work, and i've alerted upstream (https://github.com/Blosc/c-blosc/issues/223)
[07:05] <estan> it's strange that the armhf debian build succeeded fine though.
[07:12] <infinity> estan: If Debian's works and ours doesn't, there's a fair chance the issues are alignment-related.
[07:13] <infinity> estan: Debian runs on ARMv7 hardware with alignment fixups at runtime.  We run on ARMv8 hardware that falls over on unaligned access with ARMv7 code.
[07:14] <infinity> estan: 9 times out of 10, that'll be a SIGBUS, not a SIGSEGV, but when you do it just wrong, segfaults occur, so my bet's on that.
[07:16] <tjaalton> is LP selective with it's debian mirror? some packages seem to not have "been picked up by LP yet", while newer ones have
[07:16] <infinity> estan: Upshot of caring about unaligned access is that it'll be a (very minor) performance increase on even x86 for upstream to fix it. :P
[07:17] <infinity> tjaalton: You want wgrant or cjwatson.
[07:18] <infinity> tjaalton: (and probably #launchpad, not here, but meh)
[07:20] <tjaalton> ok
[08:31] <estan> infinity: ah ok. thanks for the input. i'm sure it's that then. the upstream author has also been sloppy with endianness in the past, so i wouldn't put alignment issues past him :) i see the failures are in the tests related to the shuffling that blosc does, where i think he twiddles around with bytes/bits.
[08:34] <cjwatson> infinity: are you still working on that dpkg SRU for .asc files in format 1.0?  IIRC that's what tjaalton's problem is about
[08:49] <tjaalton> filed FFE bug 1755717 for xcb-proto/libxcb
[08:49] <ubot5`> bug 1755717 in xcb-proto (Ubuntu) "FFE: xcb-proto/libxcb 1.13" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755717
[09:41] <LocutusOfBorg> sil2100, good morning, seems that in less than 12h we got already a lot of happy people wrt vbox stack, and zero new bug founds
[09:41] <LocutusOfBorg> (except for one reporting the issue fixed in -proposed, marked as duplicate)
[09:41] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll redo all the tests today
[10:04] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg: \o/ thanks!
[11:09] <rbalint> juliank: re: zstd for initramfs: sure, let's measure boot speed with it and lz4 and add support for the best
[11:10] <rbalint> juliank: imo decompression time is way more important than size in initramfs case
[11:22] <juliank> rbalint: there's no kernel support yet, we were a bit optimistic yesterday :(
[11:23] <rbasak> It's great that you're working on this.
[11:23] <rbasak> But I think it's premature for Bionic.
[11:23] <rbalint> juliank: :-)
[11:23] <rbasak> If we hit a zstd edge case in initramfs unpack that causes failure, we'll have broken users with no automatic way for them to recover.
[11:24] <juliank> _I_ never said anything about doing that this cycle :D
[11:25] <juliank> the kernel patches from october or november have not been reviewed yet AFAICT
[11:25] <juliank> probably the submitter should resend them
[11:25] <juliank> If we want to do something _now_, it would be adding support for lz4 I guess.
[11:26] <apw> juliank, as in mainline has not yet taken them ?
[11:26] <juliank> no maintainer has responded to them
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-117.141] (core, kernel)
[11:27] <juliank> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10003007/
[11:27] <juliank> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10003011/
[11:27] <juliank> 2017-10-12	 these are the latest oners
[11:27] <juliank> *ones I could find
[11:32] <juliank> I guess I'll ping him and ask for a status update
[11:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-117.141]
[11:45] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh.  Yes.  Yes I am.  By which I mean I wasn't, but I will today.
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-themes (xenial-proposed/main) [14.04+16.04.20171116-0ubuntu1 => 14.04+16.04.20180307-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[15:33] <xnox> AAs old binaries left on amd64: kernel-signed-image-4.15.0-11-generic-di, linux-signed-image-4.15.0-11-generic, linux-signed-image-4.15.0-11-lowlatency (from 4.15.0-11.12)
[15:33] <xnox> please clean up bionic-proposed, from un-migrated kernel udebs
[15:41] <apw> xnox, looking
[15:49] <apw> xnox, wacked
[16:10] <apw> jamespage, percona-extradb-cluster-5.7 ... what is happening with that, is it replacing -5.6 ?
[16:11] <jamespage> apw: yep - raised a bug for the RM somewhere
[16:11] <jamespage> ubuntu-archive subbed
[16:11] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6/+bug/1752373
[16:11] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1752373 in percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6 (Ubuntu) "[RM] replaced by percona-xtradb-cluster-5.7 package" [Undecided,New]
[16:13] <apw> jamespage, ahh ok, thanks
[16:14] <xnox> jamespage, what about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/percona-server-5.7 ? is that coming?
[16:15] <xnox> and ditto percona-server-5.6
[16:15] <apw> jamespage, and there is no issue with version skew with that and percona-server
[16:16] <jamespage> xnox: nope and I actually think we should drop ps-5.6
[16:17] <jamespage> apw: there should not be - have a missed something?
[16:17] <apw> jamespage, no information here, just asking
[16:17] <jamespage> ack no should be fine
[16:17] <xnox> apw, i think cluster & server are standalone things; and do not depend on each other.
[16:18] <xnox> jamespage, please file RM for ps-5.6 then. Old / unmaintained / not-desired.
[16:18] <xnox> request of maintainer; or some such
[16:27] <apw> jamespage, ok, cleared out
[16:42] <jamespage> xnox: ack will do
[16:42] <jamespage> apw: ta
[16:42]  * jamespage feels fresher already
[17:42] <slangasek> jbicha: gnome-calculator is showing up on component-mismatches, I see that's because you seeded it with "upgrades" as a rationale; but we don't normally retain packages in main with "upgrade" as a rationale.  And the metapackage won't depend on them anymore.  Was this discussed somewhere?
[17:42] <slangasek> jbicha: btw your bzr committer setting is missing a closing >
[17:43] <xnox> slangasek, i believe the package needs to be there, to perform deb -> snap migration no?
[17:43]  * xnox hopes there is no deb->snap complexities for gnome-calculator....
[17:43] <jbicha> bzr config fixed. I wonder how long that's been broken
[17:43] <slangasek> the commit doesn't mention migration, but lack thereof
[17:43] <jbicha> it was discussed briefly in #ubuntu-desktop today
[17:44] <jbicha> seb128: do you want to weigh in on gnome-calculator and friends? ^
[17:44] <xnox> promoting it back in, is contrary to the existing practice. so yeah, it is interesting to know what's different about gnome-calculator.
[17:45] <jbicha> well there are 4 total apps, gnome-calculator was just the first one and the only one that had been fully demoted yet
[17:51] <jbicha> Laney: or you? ^
[17:59] <Laney> yes we wanted to keep "officially" supporting those for upgraders
[18:00] <Laney> I think they won't be marked for autoremoval, and I'm not sure of a way to keep them installed via a metapackage but if there is one we could do that
[18:00] <Laney> supporting as deb -> snap isn't something we are doing for 18.04
[18:05]  * Laney is going, hopefully Seb can give you more information if you want it
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dpkg (xenial-proposed/main) [1.18.4ubuntu1.3 => 1.18.4ubuntu1.4] (core)
[19:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpkg [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.18.4ubuntu1.4]
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pciutils (xenial-proposed/main) [1:3.3.1-1.1ubuntu1.1 => 1:3.3.1-1.1ubuntu1.2] (core)
[21:57] <doko> tempted to remove make-dfsg from proposed ...
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: beets (bionic-proposed/primary) [1.4.6-2]


[09:38] <Drulgaard> Hi, all.  Been using MAAS 2.5.x for a year now, just trying MAAS 2.7.1, and getting frustrated with the fact it's a snap and my MAAS-building script needs a complete overhaul.  I'm now stuck on how to get my MAAS to remote-control a couple of libvirt VMs, as there's no longer a 'maas' user with a home directory to put an SSH key in.  Anyone know
[09:38] <Drulgaard> how to do SSH (with public key auth) control of libvirt from MAAS 2.7?
[09:40] <Drulgaard> (Basically, this... https://maas.io/docs/vm-host-networking#heading--set-up-ssh ... is now incorrect, as there is no 'maas' user.)
[09:42] <Drulgaard> Oh, never mind, I just scrolled down that page a bit. :)
[10:33] <mup> Bug #1882229 opened: Unable to upload any script <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882229>
[15:04] <mup> Bug #1882133 changed: MAAS 2.8 snap install hangs on "INFO Waiting for restart..." <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882133>
[19:16] <mup> Bug #1882295 opened: 4 types of IPMI status in UI for same way configured nodes <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882295>
[22:14] <cloaked1> Hey all. We have a problem where maas thinks all of the IP addresses in a subnet are saturated, but when you scan the subnet, not even a quarter of the addresses are in use. How can we get maas to recheck the address usage? I've removed dhcpd leases and restarted dhcpd.
[22:31] <mup> Bug #1882313 opened: Unable to upload commissioning/test script <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882313>
[22:34] <mup> Bug #1882313 changed: Unable to upload commissioning/test script <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882313>
[22:37] <mup> Bug #1882313 opened: Unable to upload commissioning/test script <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882313>
[22:40] <mup> Bug #1882313 changed: Unable to upload commissioning/test script <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882313>
[22:43] <mup> Bug #1882313 opened: Unable to upload commissioning/test script <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882313>
[23:58] <mup> Bug #1882229 changed: Unable to upload any script <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882229>


[07:07] <daubers> Morning
[07:12] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:30] <AlanBell> morning
[08:15] <tonytiger> hi
[08:20] <DJones> Morning all
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> The future for datacentres and home servers? http://www.calxeda.com/
[08:31] <diplo> Anyone recommend any open source Assett management software and also helpdesk software, preferably something that integrates together
[08:32] <diplo> I like OSTicket, but no asset stuff built in
[08:33] <diplo> Looks good stuff TheOpenSourcerer
[08:33] <diplo> I'd certainly want to use something that low power at home :)
[08:33] <AlanBell> ooh, ARM servers :)
[08:34] <AlanBell> and funnily enough canonical on the software partner page :)
[08:38] <smittix> Morning all
[08:46] <selinuxium> Morning all!  :)
[08:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:01] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:01] <MooDoo> :)
[09:12] <oimon> had to roll back to CM7.0.3 from 7.1.0 :(
[09:13] <MooDoo> oooooooooooooo
[09:13] <bigcalm> That sucks, why so?
[09:14] <oimon> had low space issues that i couldn't resolve, and some stuff wasn't working e.g. google chat
[09:14] <oimon> for no perceivable gain
[09:14] <oimon> need to make the decision quickly if you are gonna roll back to a previous backup
[09:15] <oimon> if i had have persevered, i probably could have moved the dalvik cache somewhere else
[09:24] <ali1234> the NAS unit i just set up to replace the broken one is ARM
[09:24] <ali1234> the old one was PPC
[09:24] <ali1234> so ARM servers are already in the home
[09:24]  * MooDoo is getting a new nas
[09:25] <ali1234> what's so good about ARM servers in the datacentre anyway?
[09:25] <ali1234> the only reason i can think to use them is because your servers are not CPU bound, and so running x86 is a waste of electricity
[09:25] <mattt> power consumption perhaps?  :)
[09:26] <ali1234> if you are akamai it probably makes sense
[09:28] <AlanBell> ali1234: core density as well, if you want that
[09:29] <mattt> ali1234: what kind of nas did you get?
[09:30] <ali1234> iomega ix2-200
[09:30] <mattt> weird, looks like some sort of APC unit
[09:31] <ali1234> the firmware is terrible
[09:31] <mattt> ack, meeting, brb
[09:31] <AlanBell> ali1234: so it runs debian?
[09:32] <ali1234> it runs a broken version of debian
[09:32] <oimon> ali1234: power consumption and heat production and less expensive air con
[09:32] <oimon> virtualisation offers similar benefits too of course
[09:33] <ali1234> that's what i mean. ARM seems good if you have low CPU/high IO requirements
[09:34] <oimon> lots of servers in the datacentre are idling
[09:34] <oimon> in my experience
[09:43] <JamesTait> Gooooood mooooorning all! :D
[09:44] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:44] <Pernig> morning
[09:45] <JamesTait> How are we all this morning?
[09:48] <MooDoo> ready for the weekend but not bad, what about yourself
[09:48] <oimon> when making a OO impress doc and wanting to draw some block diagrams, is it best/easier to draw them in OOimpress, or another app and import them?
[09:49] <JamesTait> All fired up ready to kick some refactoring butt. :)
[09:50] <AlanBell> oimon: depends on complexity, but you can do a lot with impress, also the draw application in the suite
[09:50] <JamesTait> And sounding a little like a cross between beuno and jonobacon. :-P
[09:50] <AlanBell> which is basically the same, but without the slideshow bit (might have better layer support too)
[09:50] <oimon> AlanBell: cool, i was wondering if they were the same
[09:50] <oimon> gonna try impress
[10:04] <andylockran> Nov  2 09:52:51 enzo kernel: [ 2066.641830] at-spi-registry[5574]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f9f3e9da5f1 sp 00007fffa9565260 error 4 in libgconf-2.so.4.1.5[7f9f3e9c3000+2d000]
[10:05] <andylockran> I get logged out as soon as I attempt to login
[10:05] <andylockran> seeing that message above in the kern.log with oneric
[10:12] <andylockran> any ideas?
[10:22] <hoover> god morning
[10:23] <MooDoo> it's good as well :D
[10:23] <iclebyte> mornin
[10:33] <bigcalm> I missed all of you so much!
[10:33] <andylockran> morning
[10:35] <DJones> That was somewhat of a netsplit
[10:36]  * DJones blames popey for being in the US and probably asleep at this time & not adminstering the whole of the internet properly
[10:37] <bigcalm> DJones: sounds reasonable
[10:37] <bigcalm> Think I just killed the bookmark manager in Chromium \o/
[10:44] <danfish> DJones: sshhh! He has a daemon process in his brain that works even when he's asleep monitoring this channel ;)
[10:45] <LjL> can someone please check why my uncloaked host appears to be banned from here? it's 93-32-53-73.ip32.fastwebnet.it
[10:48] <andylockran> I do like netsplits
[10:49] <bigcalm> LjL: that might be a request for #freenode
[10:49] <DJones> LjL: Give me a minute
[10:49] <LjL> bigcalm: erm, not really
[10:49] <DJones> I can only guess that it was from a time when you had connection problems & were bouncing in & out of the channel
[10:49] <LjL> freenode doesn't deal with channel bans
[10:49] <bigcalm> Oh, from this channel, sorry :)
[10:50] <LjL> DJones: i was thinking it might be that, thanks
[10:50] <DJones> Just got to remember the command to remove it now :)
[10:50] <LjL> DJones: you can't remove it now, because we've got no chanserv to op you :P
[10:50] <DJones> Bugger
[10:50] <LjL> well it doesn't matter very much, i'm usually cloaked
[10:51] <DJones> I'll remove it when I can anyway
[10:51] <LjL> thanks
[10:52] <DJones> Even freenode.net is down
[10:52] <bigcalm> -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, one of our sponsors are experiencing some routing issues -- as a result we are missing a few servers, have a messed up rotation, no services and no web presence. Hopefully we'll return to some normality soon. Thank you for your patience and have a good day (or night, if you're Australian!)
[10:52] <DJones> Ah
[10:56] <bigcalm> ChanServ is back
[11:03] <DJones> LjL: Do you want to check thats working now
[11:03] <DJones> Back in a bit, just got head to a meeting for a minutes
[11:17] <oimon> i think that means djones has gone for a poo
[11:18]  * DJones kicks oimon
[11:18] <oimon> irc'ing on the toilet?
[11:18] <DJones> Nah, ended up a 30 second web demo meeting
[11:20] <DJones> Is packages.ubuntu.com down? Can't decide if its just my web connection causing problems or the site itself
[11:20] <oimon> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/packages.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <DJones> I suspect it must be my web connection because downforeveryoneorjustme.com seems down :)
[11:24] <oimon> woops
[11:30] <DJones> \o/ somebody has put a new hamster in the hamster wheel powering the internet
[11:31] <bigcalm> Where you getting an +++OUT OF CHEESE ERROR+++ ?
[11:31]  * bigcalm forgets the exact quote :S
[11:34] <kirrus> We've seen some strange transient routing issues over the last few days
[11:36]  * awilkins is wondering if he should try Unity2d for a while
[11:36] <DJones> bigcalm:
[11:36] <DJones> Yep, that was the warning
[11:36] <bigcalm> DJones: yes?
[11:36] <awilkins> If I didn't know this machine was perfectly stable in Windows, I'd suspect the hardware was flaking out
[11:37] <bigcalm> Ah
[11:40] <DJones> Why when you change to a new server, do you always forget the little things you've installed "just at the time", why do I never write them all down
[11:40] <awilkins> DJones, Yeah, I know
[11:40] <awilkins> DJones, It would be nice to have a tool that logs all that stuff and presents a structured list of what you did, so you could separate out the bits that you want everywhere and apply it to all new machines
[11:41] <DJones> yeah, would be good
[11:41] <bigcalm> A project for the 2 of you ;)
[11:42] <DJones> Wouldn't mind, its only a little piddly home server, serves a tiny static website, runs irssi, & keeps a stack of media files for distributing round the house
[11:43] <awilkins> How about... a terminal with an inbuilt wiki pane to the right... select the command text, type a documentation string, it logs that
[11:43] <awilkins> Would help eliminate all the piddly little commands you run like cd, ls
[11:44] <awilkins> Or annotate your bash history
[11:45] <bigcalm> That wouldn't log what you did in config files though
[11:45] <awilkins> bigcalm, No... so how do we link etckeeper or similar into this
[11:45] <awilkins> Link to the commit IDs in your log?
[11:46] <bigcalm> Erm, could do :)
[11:46] <bigcalm> I didn't know about etckeeper
[11:46] <bigcalm> !etckeeper
[11:46] <AlanBell> !info etckeeper
[11:46] <lubotu3`> etckeeper (source: etckeeper): store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. In component main, is optional. Version 0.52ubuntu1 (natty), package size 26 kB, installed size 384 kB
[11:47] <bigcalm> AlanBell to the rescue!
[11:47] <bigcalm> Most interesting
[11:48] <awilkins> So, if etckeeper hooks apt, presumably you could also get it to log installed packages
[11:49] <awilkins> (or maybe it does alreadY)
[11:50] <kirrus> package changes are logged into /var/log/dpkg.log.. not sure how helpful that is for you though
[11:52] <Oli> popey: What's your job? Just saw your tweets.
[11:52] <directhex> pkgsync.
[11:52] <MooDoo> isn't it engineering manager?
[11:58] <bigcalm> Chief cake taster
[12:01] <Oli> :)
[12:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] UDS-P Day 2 - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/11/02/uds-p-day-2/
[12:07] <daubers> Afternoon
[12:09] <MooDoo> hiya daubers
[12:10] <AlanBell> anyone dipping into interesting sessions from UDS today? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today
[12:10] <daubers> AlanBell: WOuld do if I had some more time. Intending to try and read some of the summaries over the weekend
[12:15] <MooDoo> hola davmor2 how's UDS?
[12:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: I don't know it's the other side of the building ;)
[12:16] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I'm surprised that czajkowski hasn't sent him to the ER
[12:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're not partaking?  Or ust got up?
[12:16] <MooDoo> bigcalm: give her chance :)
[12:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: No czajkowski won't kill me apparently as I'm organising the workspace thing :D
[12:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: no I'm on a team sprint
[12:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah!
[12:17]  * mattt is finally getting around to listening to the keynote
[12:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: good, my words didn't go unheeded
[12:18] <mattt> huge openstack focus, wow
[12:19] <awilkins> Hummph, I've switched to Unity2d
[12:20] <awilkins> I shall see if this improves stability - my machine keeps having nasty crashes that coincidentally coincide with pretty graphics moments like window fades, etc
[12:22] <andylockran> :D
[12:22] <andylockran> I'm a happy bunny
[12:22] <MooDoo> andylockran: any particular reason?
[12:22] <andylockran> MooDoo: just enjoying xubuntu+dock
[12:22] <selinuxium> andylockran, Been given a carrot?
[12:22] <andylockran> selinuxium: I'd quite like a carrot
[12:23] <bigcalm> andylockran: which dock?
[12:24] <andylockran> docky
[12:24] <bigcalm> What's the difference from having a panel down there?
[12:24] <andylockran> it also holds minimized apps
[12:25] <bigcalm> I see
[12:25] <bigcalm> I didn't install it as I thought it would need gnome to work correctly
[12:25] <andylockran> nope - it works really well - though need to enable compositing
[12:25] <bigcalm> :|
[12:26] <andylockran> what's that face for?
[12:26]  * selinuxium posts andylockran a carrot...   CoIP hasn't been invented yet...
[12:26] <bigcalm> This system isn't the greatest under Linux for fancy graphics. Which is a shame
[12:27] <andylockran> CoIP
[12:27] <awilkins> Carrot over Internet Protocol
[12:28] <awilkins> Will have to make do with cookies. It does seem a short leap from there to cake, and thus carrot cake... but never mind
[12:28] <bigcalm> Great how the mind works ;)
[12:32] <bigcalm> andylockran: do you find it difficult to grab the edge of a window for resizing?
[12:33] <bigcalm> It feels like a pixel hunt to me
[12:34] <awilkins> Yeah, it's a single pixel area... the alt-F8 key shortcut is a nice idea but it rather removes your hand from the mouse, which is daft when you want to resize a window
[12:35] <bigcalm> Most interesting, ta
[12:35] <bigcalm> Really not optimal though
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Take a look at bug 160311 :-)
[12:35] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 160311 in metacity "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160311
[12:35] <awilkins> No, my hand reach is not enough to hit alt-f8 with my left hand, so It's a 2-hand key combo
[12:35] <awilkins> So I have to leave the mouse to do it
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> An old and bloody annoying bug.
[12:37] <bigcalm> awilkins: use the right hand alt?
[12:37] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: poo :(
[12:38] <awilkins> bigcalm, AltGr doesn't work
[12:38] <bigcalm> So I see
[12:53] <bigcalm> Why do I struggle to decide what to have for lunch?
[12:53] <bigcalm> It really shouldn't be this stressful
[12:53] <daubers> bigcalm: I've been told to find myself a new work computer
[12:53] <daubers> thats more stressful
[12:54] <bigcalm> But you can't eat a computer
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ham Sandwich with some of my amazing Chilli Chutney :-D
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> 50 Chillies and 25 cloves of Garlic
[12:56] <bigcalm> How long did it take you to learn to like having your mouth on fire?
[12:56] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: So you're trying to get some time to yourself then....
[12:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: About 28 years I guess.
[12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: :-D
[12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> It also goes very well with cheese too.
[12:57] <bigcalm> Next you'll tell us that you like chilli chocolate
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I say "my" Chilli Chutney. I did make it but it was this recipe: http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2011/10/27/how-to-make-my-favourite-green-chilli-chutney/
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great website BTW
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: I do, and so does my 7 yr old son.
[12:59] <bigcalm> My future mother-in-law likes it as well. But I think mothers-in-law are meant to be odd ;)
[13:02] <dogmatic69> anyone used ganglia?
[13:03] <dogmatic69> looks pretty good
[13:03] <popey> $morning all
[13:03] <bigcalm> Afternoon part-timer
[13:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey popey! Guess what I got yesterday ;-)
[13:04] <bigcalm> popey: Does every morning start with a hangover, or is that just Aq?
[13:04] <popey> haha
[13:04] <popey> i have no hangover
[13:04] <popey> which is surprising
[13:05] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: hp touchpad?
[13:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> 32G
[13:05] <popey> ooo nice
[13:05] <popey> just one?
[13:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Unfortunately yes.
[13:05] <popey> ☹
[13:05] <AlanBell> got ubuntu on it yet?
[13:05] <popey> heh
[13:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> I haven't even unboxed it yet.
[13:06] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: Put CM on it
[13:09]  * popey is in an interesting session about linaro set top boxes
[13:09] <bigcalm> Central heating just came on. Woot \o/
[13:10] <popey> heh
[13:14] <bigcalm> What can we expect the next gen. of set top boxes then?
[13:14] <bigcalm> Will TiVo be a thing of the past?
[13:18] <mattt> does anyone here use juju?
[13:18] <oimon> i wonder how many cheapo STB's over the next year or so will turn out to be a raspberry pi hidden in a bigger case
[13:18] <AlanBell> oimon: not the ones that are linaro based
[14:06] <denny> how can I set the window auto-raise delay for focus-follows-mouse in 11.10 gnome fallback? (or whatever the non-unity, non-gnome-shell UI is called)
[14:16] <popey> davmor2: what was that macro recorder thing you mentioned?
[14:17] <davmor2> popey: xpresser ?
[14:17] <popey> ta
[14:20] <Myrtti> I think more tea is needed
[14:27] <selinuxium> Is there any way of opening applications on particular workspaces? I open the same applications and put them in the same workspaces every morning... would be nice to automate...
[14:27] <selinuxium> To add to the dilemma I have a dual screen set-up
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> selinuxium: Me too :-) If you find out how to do that I'd love to know.
[14:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thunderbird on screen 1, FFox and Hotot on 2, OpenERP Client on 3 and 4 mostly eclipse and/or other stuff.
[14:30] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, :) Will do... How are you doing anyway? You near Liverpool Street any time soon?
[14:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good thanks selinuxium but not got any "in town" meeting booked for the forseeable right now.
[14:31] <daubers> urgh, I dislike it when customers say "We know you told us not to do this but....."
[14:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha
[14:32] <daubers> The answer is generally "Sorry, you're on your own, or you can pay for a callout at £1000+VAT per day (min 1 day) to fix it"
[14:40] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, Next time you are in town give me a bell for beer! :) Also... http://www.foosel.org/linux/devilspie  is looking promising...
[14:41] <denny> selinuxium: if you're running Compiz you can teach it rules for specific windows...  based on their titles I think
[14:41] <denny> window placement is a long-running pile of &"$£* in Linux/X
[14:42] <denny> if you file a bug about it, everyone goes "It's not our fault, it's their fault!" and points at someone else
[14:42] <denny> it's very tedious
[14:43] <denny> currently it's actually down to application developers to save and request restoration of window position, which seems a bit silly.
[14:43] <selinuxium> hi denny, yeah I am using Compiz but i need to open Chromium-browser in 2 workspaces, one in incognito so I can have 2 google accounts open...
[14:43] <denny> funtiems  :)
[14:44] <selinuxium> denny, TheOpenSourcerer, there appears to be a GUI - gDevilspie
[14:45] <denny> I used devils pie before, but the built-in stuff in compiz seemed to be equivalent or better when I was last looking
[14:45] <denny> I don't even know what WM I'm using any more
[14:46] <denny> 11.10 has done odd things to my machine  :)
[14:46] <denny> well, trying to run 11.10 but without Unity has done odd things
[14:46] <denny> Gnome Shell won't even load on my three-screen setup
[14:46] <denny> although it looked pretty rubbish before it crashed anyway
[14:46] <denny> so I'm running the fallback thing
[14:47] <denny> which is a bit rubbish, but at least I can get work done without the UI getting in my way all the time
[14:47] <nymwar> Gnome shell seems to be running well on my system on 11.10
[14:47] <denny> do you have three monitors running off of two graphics cards?
[14:47] <nymwar> no
[14:47] <denny> I find this causes me a number of issues  :)
[14:48] <denny> in 11.10's defence, this is the first installation of Linux ever to find all three monitors and enable them using only GUI tools
[14:48] <denny> shame about Unity really
[14:48] <denny> and as I say, Gnome Shell didn't like the three monitors, which is interesting given that fallback manages okay and that's still gnome3 if I understand correctly?
[14:49] <AlanBell> unity is a shell for gnome3
[14:49] <denny> oh aye?
[14:49] <AlanBell> gnome-shell is another shell for gnome 3
[14:49] <denny> right
[14:49] <denny> I didn't much like the look of either, but Unity did at least run  :)
[14:50] <AlanBell> and fallback uses the two panel shell for gnome 3
[14:50] <denny> it just took ages to switch between windows and stuff like that
[14:50] <denny> (in terms of my identifying the window I wanted and selecting it, rather than in terms of rendering speed etc)
[14:50] <AlanBell> alt-tab is not very deterministic under unity, I turned that off and use one of the normal switchers
[14:51] <denny> the 'I must be on the left of the screen' thing was a bit of a nuisance on a triple-head setup too...  the left of the left screen is a long way away  :)
[14:51] <denny> I tried Cairo Dock but that was quite faffy too
[14:52] <denny> I'm fairly sure having a task bar is actually quicker for switching between windows, rather than just being what I'm used to
[14:52] <denny> always hard to assess your own biases though
[14:52] <denny> the fact that I like focus-follows-mouse doesn't really work well with the detached menu bar thingy either
[14:53] <denny> i r special snowflake edge case, I guess
[14:53] <AlanBell> focus-follows-mouse has been mentioned in some of the design sessions at UDS
[14:53] <denny> if you're coming from Windows 7, Unity is probably quite nice
[14:53] <denny> it looks quite similar, to my uneducated eye
[14:54] <MooDoo> if you're coming from windows 7 it's aweful, then again if you're linux then windows then linux, it all becomes a blur lol
[14:54] <denny> heh
[14:56] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19802/design-p-design-and-community/ would be a good session to bring up comments about unity and what you want it to be in 12.04
[14:56] <AlanBell> at 4PM today
[14:57] <AlanBell> live audio here -> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/bonaire2.ogg.m3u
[14:57] <AlanBell> talk to the room in the #ubuntu-uds-bonaire2 IRC channel
[14:58] <AlanBell> the IRC channel is on a big projector at the front of the room, all rooms have dual projectors, one for IRC, one with a dangling VGA connector for laptops
[14:58] <AlanBell> so do go in there and politely say you would like multi-monitor improvements and alt-tab to be unbroken
[15:03] <oly> hi, anyone in here able to tell me why firefox is not associated to application when i download files
[15:04] <oly> for example when i download a word document it trys to use archive manager instead of open office and open office is not available in the list
[15:26] <daubers> oly: It's a known bug. I think a fix has been released......
[15:26] <daubers> bug 873470
[15:26] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 873470 in desktop-file-utils (Ubuntu Oneiric) "File-roller is associated with .docx,.xlsx,.pptx files instead of LibreOffice" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873470
[15:26] <daubers> it might be filtering through the system
[15:26] <bigcalm> Everything is associated with the Archive Manager upon installing 11.10
[15:27] <bigcalm> A bit silly really :)
[15:29] <oly> aha cheers for that info daubers
[16:02] <jacobw> pentadactyl > vimperator? discuss.
[16:08]  * denny blinks
[16:08] <denny> Evolution won't let me create any IMAP folders today
[16:08] <denny> that's helpful
[16:09] <bigcalm> Evolution has never been helpful. Why does it still exist?
[16:10] <denny> I find it more usable than Thunderbird, on average
[16:10] <denny> they all have their quirks though
[16:10] <jacobw> denny: have you tried thunderbird with muttator?
[16:11] <denny> nope?
[16:11] <jacobw> http://vimperator.org/muttator
[16:12] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:12] <bigcalm> vim is going the way of emacs
[16:13] <funkyHat> http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/teledactyl
[16:13] <jacobw> (no (its (not)))
[16:14] <bigcalm> funkyHat: same thing with a different name?
[16:14] <funkyHat> bigcalm: that's just an extension for thunderbird that gives it vi-like keybindings, not actually part of vim
[16:14] <funkyHat> bigcalm: more up to date fork I believe
[16:14] <bigcalm> I know, but everything is starting to look like vim ;)
[16:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:14] <bigcalm> Ah yes, just read that
[16:14] <bigcalm> Hi czajkowski :)
[16:14] <denny> why anyone would want anything to behave like vim I have no idea
[16:14] <denny> or like any CLI application for that matter, they're almost all completely insane
[16:15] <denny> vi has always struck me as particularly special though... a text editor that, when you load it, won't let you edit the text (until you change mode)
[16:15] <funkyHat> denny: vim has a bit of a steep learning curve but then the amount of keypresses required to do stuff just gets less and less
[16:15] <denny> primary purpose fail :)
[16:16] <funkyHat> Except experienced vim users probably spend less time in insert mode than other modes
[16:18] <funkyHat> Starting in insert modewould annoy me, at any rate ;)
[16:20] <bigcalm> There are 2 things that need to be made obvious when using an editor: 1) how to edit. 2) how to exit
[16:23] <funkyHat> That depends on whether you're trying to make a tet editor that's easy to use or a text editor that's fast to use
[16:23] <funkyHat> s/tet/text/
[16:23] <ali1234> vim isn't fast to use
[16:24] <bigcalm> It's quite often set as the default editor on systems. I had no idea what I was doing when I 1st tried to edit a cronjob
[16:24] <ali1234> most of the claimed "fast" things you can do with it rely on you having memorized the entire text you are editing
[16:24] <funkyHat> ali1234: I disagree
[16:25] <denny> yeah, pico would be a friendlier default
[16:25] <denny> with the menu across the bottom  :)
[16:25] <funkyHat> But I'm also not going to suggest that it should be the default editor ⢁)
[16:25] <funkyHat> Or nano. I think nano is the default in ubuntu
[16:25] <jacobw> nano provided by debian and ubuntu for intuitive editting
[16:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> nano is pretty cool as long as you open it with -c
[16:27] <bigcalm> I open with -w
[16:27] <bigcalm> Otherwise it kills configs
[16:28] <bigcalm> As with everything, you need to know what you're doing before you start
[16:28]  * funkyHat sshes into a box that has nano on it to check what those options do
[16:30] <funkyHat> What? It actually edits lines just bcause they are too long without -w?
[16:30] <denny> :-o
[16:30] <denny> helpful.
[16:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have not experienced that issue before. I like -c cause it shows your cursor position a.k.a line number
[16:33] <NET||abuse> hey guys. i'm on a new work machine, ubuntu 11.10, tomboy fails to finish initial sync
[16:33] <NET||abuse> i get about 38 of my 200 notes downloaded, then it stops
[16:34] <NET||abuse> just says failed to sync, see below for details, that gives me the 38 notes with "Added" indicated beside each one, but that's it.
[16:34] <NET||abuse> no errors apparent in that list
[16:34] <jacobw> NET||abuse: which synchronisation method are you using?
[16:56] <jacobw> i've seen the same episode of scrubs twice today on sky
[16:56] <jacobw> perhaps its a good thing i've never had sky before
[16:57] <sadsun> I watch everything online nowadays
[17:23] <aaronr> upgrading a machine to 11.10 and see a message saying "the support in ubuntu 11.10 for your intel graphics hardware is limited and you may encounter problems after the upgrade" — will this computer still work in the Ubuntu 2D mode, or does it need a better graphics card before i upgrade? (are there any docs on what doesn't work?)
[17:28] <jacobw> aaronr: http://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[17:34] <NET||abuse> jacobw: oops, an hour later.....
[17:34] <aaronr> jacobw: thanks, but i'm interested in what specifically won't work. if it will work in unity 2d mode, then i don't need to upgrade the graphics card. if not, i will.
[17:35] <NET||abuse> jacobw: yeh, using Tomboy Web sync, through Ubuntu One
[17:36] <jacobw> aaronr: can you try it with the live image?
[17:38] <jacobw> NET||abuse: how many notes can you see in the web interfac?
[17:39] <aaronr> jacobw: yeah, i can give it a shot.
[17:40] <aaronr> i'd still like to understand what's changed in 11.10 and find out more about what will break, though. i'm having trouble finding relevant docs explaining this message.
[17:40] <jacobw> do you know which driver your using?
[17:43] <gord> http://i.imgur.com/CGB8v.png is genius.
[17:45] <aaronr> jacobw: according to Xorg.log it's the intel driver for an intel 865g gpu
[17:54] <AlanBell> gord: that got through the app review process!
[18:03] <jacobw> aaronr: i don't think there's any regressions, looking at launchpad bugs and answers doesn't uncover any new issues in oneiric
[18:03] <bigcalm> gord: haha
[18:05] <diplo> Evening all
[18:06] <diplo> Gnome3 is much smoother than unity so far
[18:17] <BigRedS> Gnome3 has more boring bugs than unity, though
[18:18] <diplo> Not for me yet, not crashed once yet
[18:18] <diplo> Yet unity has crashed multiple times
[18:18] <aaronr> thanks jacobw
[18:18] <BigRedS> nah, not crashes, just stupid design decisions
[18:18] <BigRedS> I've not had either crash much at all
[18:18] <diplo> Oh unity has been once or twice a night
[18:18] <diplo> Don't like the no option of minimise though
[18:19] <BigRedS> yeah, that's the sort of design decisions that need fixing
[18:20] <BigRedS> that's the thing, gnome3 is broken out of the box in a usability sense, so you isntall these extensions and it works
[18:20] <BigRedS> unity just does random things every so often to keep me on my toes
[18:46] <gr33npeace> whois tomk tomk
[18:46] <sadsun> busted
[18:56] <mattt> haha
[18:56] <mattt> boosted
[18:57] <bigcalm> Mmm, could nobble a Boost
[19:08] <jacobw> i'm considering a system76 lemur ultra, can anyone testify as to their quality?
[19:42] <stevepdp> evening friends
[20:07] <daubers> Evening
[20:09] <mattt> howzit guys
[20:17] <feisar> I've just done a clean install of 11.10 with an nvidia card, activated the nvidia drivers but I have no shadows on the desktop - why would that be?
[20:21] <jacobw> feisar: have you restarted the X server since activating the drivers? you can log out and back in again to do so
[20:30] <feisar> jacobw: yeah I have restarted and still no go, thanks
[20:31] <jajajajaj> 895
[21:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Precise Ubuntu Developer Summit - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4496
[21:09] <ali1234> i just watched the a-team reboot movie
[21:09] <ali1234> it's terrible
[21:09] <ali1234> don't watch it
[21:10] <DJones> A wish you'd said that about 6 months ago
[21:10] <hamitron> is it so bad I got to watch it, to believe how bad it is? ;)
[21:11] <ali1234> no
[21:11] <ali1234> it's just stupid
[21:15] <ali1234> i haven't really watched any films in ages
[21:15] <Myrtti> apparently the frozen planet on bbc is really exciting
[21:15] <hamitron> Myrtti, after Planet Dinosaur, I haven't bothered with that one
[21:15] <hamitron> :/
[21:16] <ali1234> hamitron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3uIQZkXPkU
[21:16] <hamitron> ouuu
[21:17] <hamitron> I got a server to bypass youtube filtering now, so i can download it
[21:17] <hamitron> :)
[21:17] <ali1234> what is youtube filtering
[21:17] <hamitron> I blocked youtube
[21:17] <ali1234> you blocked youtube and then you got a server to get around your own block
[21:17] <hamitron> so others here can't slow down my internet
[21:17] <hamitron> yes
[21:17] <hamitron> haha
[21:18] <hamitron> I can't remember the command for downloading youtube
[21:18] <hamitron> :/
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> wget
[21:19] <hamitron> wget does it?
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> if you know the URL, sure
[21:20] <ali1234> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb53su_nathan-smithe-s-tv-impossible-plane_fun
[21:20] <ali1234> same video
[21:21] <hamitron> but....
[21:22] <hamitron> still need to work this out
[21:22] <hamitron> :/
[21:23] <hamitron> ali1234, that is blocked too
[21:23] <hamitron> I'm just been dumb with youtube-dl
[21:23] <hamitron> :/
[21:23] <hamitron> can't work it out
[21:28] <hamitron> why is this not working?
[21:28] <hamitron> youtube-dl -b http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3uIQZkXPkU
[21:29] <hamitron> :/
[21:29] <ali1234> because you've blocked youtube?
[21:30] <hamitron> it isn't blocked on the server I'm running that
[21:31] <hamitron> get_iplayer works
[21:31] <hamitron> :)
[21:31] <DJones> hamitron: Just ran that same command, I get an error "no such option: -b"
[21:31] <hamitron> b for best
[21:32] <DJones> -b isn't listed in the options for man youtube-dl
[21:33] <hamitron> well, can you get it working at all?
[21:33] <hamitron> -b, --best-quality  download the best quality video possible
[21:33] <jacobw> version?
[21:33] <DJones> Just take the -b, seems to be working for me
[21:34] <DJones> "youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3uIQZkXPkU"
[21:34] <hamitron> version is 2010.04.04
[21:36] <DJones> hamitron: http://pastebin.com/pi0s7Ybg
[21:37] <hamitron> DJones, what is youtube-dl -v
[21:37] <hamitron> ?
[21:37]  * hamitron on lucid
[21:38] <DJones> hamitron: No idea, I've never used it until you mentioned you had problems
[21:38] <DJones> -v is version
[21:38] <hamitron> I mean, what version you have?
[21:38] <hamitron> ;)
[21:38] <DJones> sorry, just realised that
[21:39] <DJones> 2011.08.04 (I'm on 11.10)
[21:39] <hamitron> must be some fixes :/
[21:41] <DJones> These are the options available in this version http://pastebin.com/3D9wnNAa
[21:41] <hamitron> I guess it is tough keeping apps up-to-date with online services that change
[21:42] <Laney> especially ones that probably don't want you doing it
[21:43] <hamitron> DJones, yeh, different :)
[21:43] <ali1234> i was thinking about that the other day when trying to rip a video from the bbc
[21:43] <hamitron> http://pastebin.com/TuWMgMHC
[21:44] <hamitron> one reason i don't like all this online stuff tbh
[21:44] <ali1234> you can make a foolproof ripper by using tcpdump
[21:45] <hamitron> :/
[21:45] <hamitron> I can? ;/ maybe you can
[21:45] <hamitron> ;)
[21:45] <ali1234> then i was thinking a bit more
[21:46] <ali1234> and i came up with the idea of dumping all packets and replaying them
[21:46] <ali1234> rather than spidering everything and trying to keep up with site changes
[21:46] <hamitron> but wouldn't that be messy, and increase storage size?
[21:47] <ali1234> just record every outgoing stream, checksum on the first few bytes, and then store the response
[21:47] <hamitron> also, would need another app that supports connecting in the first place
[21:48] <ali1234> it would be done at the network device level
[21:48] <ali1234> you'd have a special network device that has recording or playback modes
[21:48] <ali1234> most of the infrastructure for this already exists
[21:48] <jacobw> it'd allow many users on a high bandwidth domain to stream X from a low bandwidth domain
[21:49] <ali1234> i suppose it could be used as a cache too
[21:49] <ali1234> i've done some work on a wayback machine type of thing
[21:49] <hamitron> imo, the bbc and youtube should just have torrents
[21:49] <ali1234> and spidering pages that uses flash etc is hard
[21:49] <hamitron> ;)
[21:50] <ali1234> mainly because flashplugin crashes so much
[21:50] <ali1234> the approach i used was to use webkit and hook every received file
[21:50] <ali1234> since plugins go through the browser api for most stuff
[21:50] <ali1234> but it isn't perfect
[21:50] <Laney> how do I rate something in the software centre?
[21:51] <ali1234> you have to write a review i think
[21:51] <Laney> don't think so
[21:51] <ali1234> and you have to be logged in of course
[21:51] <Laney> but how do you get to that bit?
[21:51] <ali1234> i don't really use software centre
[21:51] <Laney> can't see anywhere to log in
[21:52] <ali1234> you also have to have the package installed
[21:52] <Laney> yes
[21:52] <ali1234> you have to go to more info
[21:52] <ali1234> then scroll down to "add your review"
[21:53] <ali1234> "write your own review"
[21:54] <Laney> found it
[21:54] <hamitron> heh
[21:54] <hamitron> youtube-dl is just a python script
[21:54] <hamitron> so downloaded it and running with ./youtube-dl
[21:54] <Laney> "An exception representing server-side error"
[21:54] <hamitron> ;)
[21:54] <Laney> hah
[21:56] <ali1234> i tried to write a review once and it just crashed the whole thing
[21:56] <ali1234> that was ages ago though
[21:56] <ali1234> i heard that has been fixed
[21:57] <Laney> worked on the second try
[21:58] <hamitron> ali1234, 55mins remaining
[21:58] <ali1234> hah
[21:58] <ali1234> the video isn't worth it
[21:58] <hamitron> oh, ok
[21:59] <hamitron> well, at least I got the downloader fixed now, for when there is something worth getting
[21:59] <hamitron> ;)
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] UDS In Full Swing - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/02/uds-in-full-swing/
[22:06] <dwatkins> I wish they hadn't turned off Google Reader's ability to share links via bookmarklet.


[10:20] <DjZU> Hi there! I just upgraded to Ubuntu Studio 16.04 and I'm a bit disapointed by the output of the command "uname -a" which is still showing version 14.04
[10:20] <DjZU> Linux djzustudio 3.19.0-61-lowlatency #69~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 9 10:15:00 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:20] <DjZU> any thoughts?
[11:32] <studio-user245> hi
[11:32] <studio-user245> anyone here?
[11:37] <studio-user245> I'm running UbuntuStudio on a VirtualBox VM in Windows 10 on a MSI laptop and am trying to get sound working
[11:37] <studio-user245> help tells me to check if my sound card is supported by ALSA
[11:38] <studio-user245> would that be the physical Windows sound card or the virtual sound card from the VM?
[11:38] <studio-user245> (I am very new to Linux and VM)
[11:53] <cmb___> I'm the guest user with the audio driver question, now on Windows because Linux is going to need to be rebooted a lot ;)
[13:13] <cmb___> update: managed to get sound working, turns out the bugged thing is something called "xV", any suggestions?
[14:49] <OvenWerks> cmb___: Linux needs to be rebooted a lot?
[14:51] <OvenWerks> cmb___: getting good sound in a VM (windows on linux or linux on windows) generally will give problems.
[14:51] <cmb___> yes most tutorials end with "restart the VM for it to magically work" (it never does)
[14:51] <OvenWerks> I would suggest running Studio from a live ISO
[14:52] <OvenWerks> (or just installing)
[14:53] <cmb___> live ISO means burning ISO to a physical optical disc?
[14:53] <OvenWerks> In all honesty I have never used windows
[14:53] <OvenWerks> cmb___: run from a usb stick is fine.
[14:53] <cmb___> hmm ok
[14:54] <cmb___> maybe ubuntu studio on vm is a bit too much as a first dabble into linux :P
[14:55] <OvenWerks> linux on a VM doesn't make sense at all from my point of view... But I am prejuduced
[14:56] <cmb___> of course it does
[14:56] <OvenWerks> audio generally doesn't.
[14:56] <cmb___> my entire workflow is based on Windows but ubuntu studio had some features I like, like a video editing suite
[14:57] <OvenWerks> video should be fine.
[14:57] <cmb___> so I thought it'd be nice to have both at the same time
[14:57] <OvenWerks> video has a much higher latency
[14:58] <OvenWerks> Or to put it another way video can work with a higher acceptable latency.
[15:04] <cmb___> guess I just overestimated what technology was capable of these days
[15:06] <OvenWerks> video is just once every 1/25th of a second at it's lowest latency. Audio in profesional use may go lower than once every 1/1000 of a second
[15:06] <OvenWerks> 5 to 10 ms audio is very common.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> it is interesting that we are quite comfortable watching video with audio delayed quite a bit.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> but playing with other tracks requires less than 10ms
[15:26] <cmb___> not too interested in getting good audio performance... if it works I'll be happy
[15:27] <cmb___> I use Reaper which does not work on Linux anyway
[15:36] <cmb___> aha! found it, managed to find a way to change audio device
[15:36] <cmb___> thanks for the input
[15:55] <Tommy_> hello
[15:56] <Tommy_> Someone can help me
[15:57] <Tommy_> ther is someone?
[16:01] <OvenWerks> Tommy_: just state your question and wait
[16:02] <OvenWerks> People do not just wait for activity on irc, they may come back from doing other things.
[16:06] <Tommy_> ok sorry
[16:06] <Tommy_> I would like to know how i can put my usb live key in persistant mode?
[16:08] <OvenWerks> personally, I don't know :)  (I have never tried) It used to be that the USB stick was created that way.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> but the old usb stick maker hasn't worked for a while.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> And is no longer included.
[16:09] <Tommy_> ok because when i restart my computer i have to set the language and change the keyboard to azerty each time
[16:09] <OvenWerks> So it would depend on how the USB stick is made. I generally use dd and then gparted shows two partitions on the stick
[16:10] <Tommy_> you use DD instead ISO
[16:10] <OvenWerks> So I am guessing that the second partition could be mounted.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> What is iso?
[16:11] <OvenWerks> dd is a copy utility that copies the iso byte by byte to the install medium
[16:12] <Tommy_> so DD is a soft
[16:12] <OvenWerks> dd is a sw utility
[16:13] <OvenWerks> It does not work for DVDs I use xfburn
[16:13] <Tommy_> ok so what you advise me?
[16:13] <Tommy_> to install ubuntu on my hard disk
[16:14] <OvenWerks> Tommy_: I would ask someone who knows more :)
[16:14] <Tommy_> ok
[16:14] <OvenWerks> there is a lot more activity on #ubuntu than here.
[16:14] <Tommy_> you know i'm french and it's difficult to use ubuntu in english
[16:14] <OvenWerks> There is no real difference from Studio to plain ubuntu for this purpose.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> there may be a french channel too.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> !fr
[16:15] <OvenWerks> Does that help at all?
[17:25] <studio-user071> anybody else having a issue with connecting an email client to gmail servers
[17:25] <studio-user071> with either evolution or geary?
[17:25] <studio-user071> neither can reach server.
[17:46] <studio-user071> Hello anyone here?
[18:13] <studio-user071> hello
[18:20] <krytarik> studio-user071: I don't have any issues with it and Thunderbird.  But try asking in the main #ubuntu channel, as it's not really Studio-specific.
[18:34] <cmb___> 800 ms latency in LMMS :D
[18:35] <cmb___> JACK is not working though...
[18:36] <magic_silver_box> YYAAAYAAyayayAYaayyyayayaYayaYyaayayAYyaayayayaYa
[18:37] <cmb___> and with it about half of the interesting programs
[18:50] <d1g1t4Lnrg> Question - can anyone here give information on settings for email client?
[18:50] <d1g1t4Lnrg> network utils are missing from this distribution for some reason
[18:52] <studio-user071> #evolution
[18:52] <d1g1t4Lnrg> anyone here know the command to install network utils in terminal.
[18:53] <d1g1t4Lnrg> such as traceroute ?
[18:54] <Guest48643> sudo apt-get install traceroute
[18:55] <d1g1t4Lnrg> tried that it dis not work.
[18:55] <d1g1t4Lnrg> did not work
[18:55] <Guest48643> apt-get update
[18:56] <d1g1t4Lnrg> well worked this time.
[18:56] <d1g1t4Lnrg> strange it did not work last time.
[18:58] <d1g1t4Lnrg> well seems that i can traceroute to imap.googlemail.com
[18:58] <d1g1t4Lnrg> yet it says network unreachable on the message in evolution
[18:58] <d1g1t4Lnrg> anyone using a email client in the ubuntustudio ?
[18:59] <d1g1t4Lnrg> oh wait. i installed from software manager. probably only half installed or some shit like that.
[18:59] <d1g1t4Lnrg> anyone know the sudo command for install of evolution ?
[19:00] <d1g1t4Lnrg> going to have to uninstall and reinstall from terminal.
[19:00] <d1g1t4Lnrg> seems like that is the only way to get apps to fully install on this distribution.


[09:39] <jarjar> hello
[09:45] <jarjar> does any french people here please
[09:52] <evilbug> anyone awake?
[14:14] <evilbug> i'm having a bigger than little ( X_X ) noob issue, humor me... so ubuntu mid won't work on ANY smartphone, yes?
[20:31] <pronto> anyone working on porting the project for ARM processors?
[20:33] <pronto> or the OMAP processor
[21:49] <lool> pronto: Actively?  not yet
[22:49] <cxo> i doubt its very hard since everything around it ready for xcompiling
[22:49] <pronto> that would be great, guess ill look into it , though i would have no idea what im doing
[22:50] <pronto> i have both the HTC wizard and HTC Kaiser
[22:51] <cxo> well basically you would start with getting an arm toolchain
[22:51] <cxo> which means getting a linux distro installed
[22:51] <cxo> then build gcc with arm support
[22:51] <cxo> then xcompile glibc and friends
[22:51] <cxo> compiling vanilla for arm is child's play
[22:52] <cxo> now you just need the gui apps
[22:52] <cxo> X is bit of a bitch to x-compile but people have done it...
[22:52] <pronto> heh


[10:36] <StudioUser27> hi
[10:38] <StudioUser27> I have the new Ubuntu-Studio and I want to set it up my midi keyboard but the first thing I guess would be to start the jack server. It keeps coming up with a warning saying that it fails to connect to server. I am at a loss on what to do.
[15:51] <OvenWerks> opps they hung up...
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The timestamp was 3:30-ish AM our time.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Yeah, I saw that.


[01:06] <bdx> hows it going everyone?
[01:07] <bdx> im running 1.8.0+bzr4001-0ubuntu2~trusty1
[01:07] <bdx> on trusty 14.04.3
[01:10] <bdx> core: I'm having MAJOR issues with nodes not being able to reboot after a storage disk replacement
[01:11] <bdx> core: I'm experiencing this issue when I replace an osd disk on any ceph storage node and then reboot it
[01:12] <bdx> any* osd disk
[01:14] <bdx> core: immediatly after pxe boot the console of the node will show a "disk uuid mismatch" error message and will not continue the boot process any further
[01:20] <bdx> core: it seems the only work arounds I've found to get a node to boot after a storage disk replacement is to momentarilly disable maas from managing the network after a power on of the node, following that, after the node pxe boot times out and it results to booting from local disk into the os, I re-enable maas management on that network so the node gets an ip and continues the boot process and eventually
[01:20] <bdx> successfully boots.
[01:22] <bdx> core: the other work around -> swap the newly replaced disk out with the original that was initially replaced
[01:28] <bdx> core: it would be nice to get some feedback on what is going on here, and also a best practice for what/how to proceed in the case when you need to swap storage disks
[01:31] <bdx> also....the second work-around is really not
[01:31] <bdx> because it just returns the node to the original state so it can boot
[01:31] <bdx> lol
[01:31] <bdx> srry
[01:33] <bdx> I'll post this to the lists if no one on here has any ideas!
[01:33] <bdx> thanks!
[04:22] <mup> Bug #1466852 changed: doesnt wait long enough for release power off on power <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466852>
[04:22] <mup> Bug #1468408 changed: cannot release, or delete node from maas ui <maas-cli> <maas-ui> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468408>
[06:55] <gnuoy> I have a cluster whose images are out-of-sync. In the maas.log I see
[06:56] <gnuoy> "maas.import-images: [WARNING] I/O error while syncing boot images. If this problem persists, verify network connectivity and disk usage"
[06:56] <gnuoy> both network connectivity and disk space seem fine. Where can I look to further diagnose this?
[15:42] <mup> Bug #1488558 opened: maas 1.7 client (in trusty) cannot login to 1.8.0 server <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488558>
[16:21] <mup> Bug #1488558 changed: maas 1.7 client (in trusty) cannot login to 1.8.0 server <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488558>
[17:21] <mup> Bug #1488589 opened: make 'current' symlink in /var/lib/maas/boot-resources relative , not full path <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488589>
[17:21] <mup> Bug #1488593 opened: Unable to add AMT machine to MAAS 1.8.2 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488593>
[17:21] <mup> Bug #1488594 opened: Nodes cannot boot after a storage disk replacement <ceph> <disaster-recovery> <storage> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488594>
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1488593 changed: Unable to add AMT machine to MAAS 1.8.2 <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488593>
[19:59] <bdx> any takers on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1488594
[19:59] <bdx> ?
[20:22] <mup> Bug #1488649 opened: Can't set a specific API key through the API or UI <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488649>
[23:04] <mup> Bug #1488684 opened: power on option available while system is deploying and already powered on <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488684>
[23:11] <jamesgao> hi, i'm having trouble with a test of maas i'm running -- all the nodes always get stuck on a lengthy sequence of "iscsistart: connect to __ (connection refused)"
[23:12] <jamesgao> tgt is running properly on the server
[23:12] <jamesgao> both machines are within libvirt / kvm, in an attempt to test this setup before we deploy on physical hardware


 Really used it?
 Yes, making one now
 Nice
 Here is a great deal on the Seagate Hybrid Drive ST1000DX001 1TB MLC/8GB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s NCQ 3.5" Desktop SSHD , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=n82e16822178381 …  I found.
 This is freaking tempting
 Massive 1TB capacities combined with SSD-like performance
 I meant because of the price of it
 Oh, damn, it doesn't show it here
 75 bucks
 Yeah, it's like $60 or something
 I think there's a rebate
 Mm I don't see one
 Or not, but it's still a good price
 I need a 1tb for the linux side of my rig, right now it's a 200gb
 The windows side is 1tb, but not a hybrid
 Hi all, Ubuntu Online Summit is today and tomorrow, starting in about 30 minutes: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/2016-11-15/
 Guys! I'm Google Street view again
 Huh?
 Back in 2012, I was walking in Israel and a street view car passed me. A year later I found myself.
 Just now, I was walking on the streets of Buenos Aires and a street view car passed me again
 I'm now in street view in two countries
 Xd
 May be a year before Google uploads the new pics
 But I wrote down the intersection I was at
[21:15] <maxolasersquad> govatent: ++
[21:15] <maxolasersquad> You're an international cartographical landmark.