[02:33] <George^Deka> hi all
[02:38] <hornbeck> hello
[02:43] <George^Deka> hi hornbeck
[02:49] <hornbeck> do you know anything about apache?
[02:54] <robertj> yeah
[02:54] <robertj> whats the rub?
[02:54] <hornbeck> ok
[02:55] <hornbeck> I have opensoftdesign.org
[02:55] <hornbeck> it is pointed to my server, the same server as the svn server
[02:55] <hornbeck> I can <IP_ADDRESS>/book
[02:55] <hornbeck> but I cannot opensoftdesign.org/book
[02:55] <hornbeck> I know it is something I am doing wrong
[02:55] <robertj> does pinging opensoftdesign.org work
[02:56] <hornbeck> I don't know, you can try
[02:56] <hornbeck> you can go to it through a webbrowser and it is my blog
[02:56] <robertj> (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[02:56] <hornbeck> hmm
[02:56] <hornbeck> whys that
[02:57] <hornbeck> try it in a web browser
[02:57] <hornbeck> do I need to be running dns here at the server?
[03:00] <hornbeck> I will be back, I am going to go eat real quick
[03:01] <robertj> no
[03:03] <robertj> you have to register your ip address with go-daddy's nameservers
[03:18] <hornbeck> who's go-daddy
[03:22] <robertj> the address parking that domain
[03:22] <robertj> I thought you registered your domain through them
[03:26] <hornbeck> nope
[03:26] <hornbeck> I used freebsdportal.com but they look like the same place I think
[03:27] <hornbeck> I have to run though, I will check it out more.
[03:27] <hornbeck> Thanks though, and grab the svn version of the Book, the work directory has the newest version I was working on.  Book-main.xml will launch it.
[03:27] <hornbeck> Thanks Robert
[03:46] <Hoodster> Hi All
[08:30] <ChrisH> Morning friends and italians... ;)
[10:14] <lulu> morning all :o)
[10:40] <ChrisH> lulu: moin :)
[10:42] <lulu> Hiya!
[10:42] <lulu> Gorgeous day this side of the world :o)
[10:47] <ChrisH> lulu: Just send some weather. It's cold and raining here. :(
[10:50] <plovs_work> morning!
[10:51] <lulu> ChrisH: light a fire and grab a cup of good coffee :o)
[10:52] <ChrisH> bbl... fire alert... ;)
[10:52] <lulu> plovs_work: morning!
[10:54] <plovs_work> lulu, how are the plans for WikiWishes, will those things be implemented?
[10:55] <lulu> plovs_work: can you be more specific? You mean the whole wiki wish list to be done?
[10:58] <plovs_work> lulu, that would be nice, off course, but especially moving the oldwiki and dtml scripting
[10:59] <lulu> plovs_work: I don't know if you saw James Troups' response - he should eb getting to the wiki move this week. He's just gone to the datacentre and I will see him later today and remind him :o)
[11:01] <plovs_work> lulu, and dtml scripting, that would be cream on the pudding
[11:01] <plovs_work> ok, off to lunch
[11:02] <lulu> plovs_work: I'll certainly ask for the cream/cherry!
[11:53] <plovs> lulu, marvellous!
[01:34] <lulu> hi sid77!
[01:35] <sid77> ciao
[02:43] <hornbeck> I'm back
[03:17] <lulu> plovs_work:ping
[03:26] <plovs_work> ChrisH, awake? we need help with webdav
[03:27] <ChrisH> plovs_work: sure
[03:27] <hornbeck> nice, webdav here we come
[03:27] <ChrisH> plovs_work: for your funky idea about a to do list through evo? :)
[03:28] <plovs_work> ChrisH, yeah, and well, eeuh to play around with evolution as well
[03:28] <ChrisH> plovs_work: I like the idea. :)
[03:28] <sivang> Hey all
[03:29] <hornbeck> hey
[03:29] <ChrisH> sivang: Hey, Obi Wan. :)
[03:30] <sivang> ChrisH : Hey Luke :)
[03:33] <plovs_work> ChrisH, could you make s write-up of webdav? i want to do it at home as well
[03:33] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Uuuh. Tricky. I haven't done that much with webdav besides svn.
[03:34] <plovs_work> sivang, did you ask me about sip-phones?
[03:34] <plovs_work> ChrisH, ok, then we'll have to figure it out first
[03:34] <ChrisH> sivang is now the master of sip phones :)
[03:35] <plovs_work> hornbeck, http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/10825_2176771_2
[03:35] <hornbeck> I will look at it
[03:35] <sivang> yes, plovs_work I am thinking of an experimental way to do collaborative working in DocTeam - enter SIP Phones!
[03:35] <ChrisH> You'll probably not need the "loadmodule" stuff. Apache2 has DAV built-in.
[03:35] <sivang> we could extend this to whole canonical/ubuntu work scheme :))
[03:36] <plovs_work> sivang, i use skype sometimes, you're supposed to be able to conference as well
[03:36] <plovs_work> sivang, but i prefer chat and im and mail
[03:36] <plovs_work> sivang, less intrusive afaik
[03:37] <sivang> plovs_work : ok
[03:37] <hornbeck> plovs_work: I will set this up in alittle wihle
[03:37] <hornbeck> while
[03:37] <ChrisH> Voice-ICQ would be nice. :)
[03:37] <hornbeck> why not use yahoo?
[03:37] <hornbeck> it has voice ability
[03:37] <hornbeck> can conferance
[03:37] <hornbeck> I used to use it all the time with groups
[03:38] <ChrisH> linux? firewall?
[03:38] <plovs_work> hornbeck, i've got webdav running, easy as pie (which is not that easy i'm told)
[03:38] <plovs_work> ChrisH, skype conquers it all, and has messaging as well, and is NON-FREE
[03:39] <hornbeck> can webdav run on apache2?
[03:39] <hornbeck> I am finding stuff for apache 1.3
[03:40] <plovs_work> hornbeck, yes just dumb the following in httpd.conf:
[03:40] <plovs_work> DAVLockDB /var/www/lockfile/DAVLock
[03:40] <plovs_work> DAVMinTimeout 600
[03:40] <plovs_work> <Directory "/var/www/dav/">
[03:40] <plovs_work>     DAV On
[03:40] <plovs_work>     AuthType Basic
[03:40] <plovs_work>     AuthName test
[03:40] <plovs_work>     AuthUserFile  /var/www/passwd/webdav
[03:40] <plovs_work>     AuthGroupFile /dev/null
[03:40] <plovs_work>     Require user test

[03:41] <plovs_work> hornbeck, and make u user test with password (you need apache-tools, with htpasswd)
[03:41] <hornbeck> you need that for svn also
[03:41] <plovs_work> sivang, if you want you can try skype, i am alexander.poslavsky at skype
[03:42] <plovs_work> hornbeck, just the folder then DAV on is important
[03:42] <hornbeck> ok I will try it
[03:45] <sivang> plovs_work : ok, I will let you know when :)
[03:47] <hornbeck> plovs_work: Ok it is there, now what?
[03:48] <hornbeck> hey robert
[03:49] <plovs_work> hornbeck, looking here as well, i am trying to put a task-list on the web, locally, not so simple
[03:51] <hornbeck> how do I add the webcal:// to the server
[03:51] <hornbeck> it is asking for it
[03:56] <plovs_work> hornbeck, can't get it to work here as well
[04:01] <hornbeck> I am not getting it
[04:02] <plovs_work> hornbeck, that makes two
[04:02] <plovs_work> hornbeck, we need a howto
[04:02] <plovs_work> for dummies
[04:04] <hornbeck> I am searching right now
[04:04] <plovs_work> i'm gonna get st to eat
[04:19] <lulu> hornbeck and all: as per our discussion, thanks John :o) Mark has agreed that we can have an svn server to be set up in the Canonical datacentre for the doc team to use. ETA end of next week. James will be in touch with you, John on this. Thanks for all your help. It's likely that it will be under docteam.ubuntulinux.org..... :o)
[04:22] <sivang> yes!
[04:23] <plovs> lulu, thanks
[04:23] <plovs> hornbeck, i've got a read only tasklist now
[04:24] <hornbeck> nice
[04:24] <hornbeck> I cannot get anything :-)
[04:24] <hornbeck> I am heading out for a second though
[04:24] <hornbeck> brb
[04:24] <plovs> hornbeck<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:25] <plovs> and you should have tasks.ics in your /var/www/dav/ or whatever
[04:25] <plovs> hornbeck, still, this is rather useless
[04:25] <hornbeck> can I just "touch tastks.ics
[04:25] <plovs> hornbeck, sure go ahead
[04:25] <plovs> hornbeck, but carefully
[04:26] <lulu> plovs: dtml...
[04:26] <plovs> hornbeck, i actually don't know
[04:26] <plovs> lulu, yes???
[04:26] <lulu> plovs: I've had a chat to a guru or 2 :o)
[04:27] <plovs> lulu, who said ....
[04:27] <lulu> what exactly do we need dtml for, so we can find a way to achieve the goals with scripts that people can use, but not compromise the security of the site/wiki?
[04:28] <sm> I can answer that
[04:28] <lulu> by being able to create and edit them?
[04:28] <sm> hello lulu, plovs
[04:28] <lulu> sm: go ahead!
[04:28] <plovs> sm, the man of the hour
[04:28] <lulu> hiya! :o)
[04:29] <sm> well, you need it for dynamic lists etc, which everyone is so keen on
[04:29] <lulu> yes...
[04:29] <plovs> and a database frontend for the hardware database which should just be in a database
[04:29] <sm> it weakens security more than moin macros, because it's an open ended scripting language - someone could write dtml to erase all zope objects (worst case)
[04:30] <lulu> that's what I heard...
[04:30] <sm> you can prevent that by restricting permissions of the wiki folder's owner
[04:30] <lulu> sm: could we not have prewritten scripts that we can call...
[04:31] <lulu> sm: but not editable...
[04:31] <lulu> and anyone can "link" them in a page...
[04:31] <sm> yes we could.. moin-a-likes.. but that would take a bit of time
[04:31] <sm> which I seem to be terribly short of :)
[04:32] <sm> it's probably a good idea; I personally find dtml worth the bother and use it everywhere
[04:32] <lulu> sm: what skills would people need to write these scripts?
[04:32] <lulu> and does anyone else in the team have them?
[04:33] <sm> some python programming ability, willingness to dive into the zwiki codebase, with pointers from me
[04:33] <lulu> sm: what if we drew up a list of specific scripts that we need....and put a bounty and a deadline on it?
[04:34] <lulu> and is this a priority over and above the other things on the wish list?
[04:35] <lulu> perhaps we should prioritise things on the wiki wish list?
[04:35] <sm> that's a great idea
[04:36] <sm> bounties make it easier for me (or anyone) to justify it
[04:36] <sm> I am due to review WikiTodo & WikiDiscussion
[04:37] <lulu> Ok - so who can prioritise the wiki wish list to represent what most people would want to see handled in order...? could you do this?
[04:37] <sm> my priorities right now are your two bugzilla issues
[04:37] <lulu> sm: yes...
[04:37] <sm> yes I'll make a pass at it today.. maybe plovs can advise me
[04:38] <plovs_work> lulu, i'll be able to help, but only in three for hours from now
[04:38] <plovs_work> sm, i  meant
[04:39] <sm> plovs if you like, pick a time to check in ?
[04:39] <plovs_work> sm, 19:15utc ?
[04:41] <plovs_work> lulu, what about the other points on the wish-list?
[04:41] <sm> er utc is.. remind me ?
[04:41] <lulu> plovs, sm - that's great.....
[04:41] <lulu> plovs: I think you guys need to prioritise the wiki wish list and let's go from there ok?
[04:42] <plovs_work> lulu, np
[04:42] <plovs_work> sm, it is now 15:42utc
[04:42] <plovs_work> so 19:15 is 3,5 hours from now
[04:42] <sm> ok, 3.5 hours from now then
[04:42] <sm> is utc = gmt ?
[04:42] <lulu> thanks guys :o)
[04:43] <sm> thx lulu
[04:43] <plovs_work> lulu, see ya
[04:44] <plovs_work> ok, now i really have to go, see you in 3,5 hours, bye all
[04:46] <sm> see you
[04:48] <lulu> thanks :o)
[04:48] <sm> lulu, plovs: but this issue of custom tags vs dtml can use some more discussion/exploration imho
[04:49] <sm> we can see how it works out
[04:54] <lulu> ok - perhaps you could do that on email to the list?
[04:54] <lulu> sm: sound sane?
[04:55] <sm> I find email difficult sometimes.. but yes perfectly sane
[04:56] <sm> I'll send something short right now
[04:57] <lulu> sm: cool - then everyone can give their opinion. could u cc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too please. thanks :o)
[04:58] <sm> ok
[04:58] <lulu> sm: thanks!
[05:03] <sm> quoting from the above log, hope that's ok
[05:10] <lulu> np
[05:10] <sivang> sm : SImon?
[05:19] <sm> hello sivang
[05:20] <sivang> hi sm
[05:23] <sm> what are you working on ?
[05:28] <hornbeck> man this calendar is pissing me off
[05:41] <hornbeck> plovs: good to see you on the tomboy list :-)
[06:54] <sivang> hi again sm, wasn't here sorry
[06:54] <sivang> sm : Working on bunch of stuff, docs, new comers help, gst,yelp fixes ..:)
[06:55] <sivang> sm : btw what is the dtml script things? I find those posts to the list cryptic somehow..
[07:01] <sm> it's about putting scripts/macros in wiki pages
[07:01] <sm> to generate listings automatically, etc
[07:02] <sivang> any bounties invloved? (my unemloyed self is talking :))
[07:05] <sm> not yet
[07:06] <sivang> k
[07:06] <sm> see the list, perhaps there will be
[07:06] <sm> are you a python coder ?
[07:06] <sivang> just started with that, so guess it would not apply for me anyhow :)
[07:06] <sivang> I've been a C,C++,Java,bits perl hacker..
[07:06] <sivang> :)
[07:07] <sm> as we organize the WikiTodo list, I would think there'll be some good bounty candidates
[07:07] <sm> ah
[07:07] <sm> well if you want some pointers, ask me
[07:07] <sm> help is always welcome
[07:07] <sm> see you
[07:08] <sivang> ok, bye
[07:09] <sivang> sm : I am also working on a top level, not wiki specific todo list
[07:09] <sm> great
[07:09] <sivang> sm : you on your way out?
[07:10] <sm> I was.. yes, must work
[07:10] <sm> I'll be back in an hour to talk todos with plovs
[07:24] <lulu> night all :o)
[08:02] <plovs> hi guys
[08:04] <plovs> hornbeck, any news about evolution?
[08:04] <hornbeck> I just got back
[08:04] <hornbeck> we will have to make a calendar first
[08:04] <hornbeck> than we can link to it
[08:04] <hornbeck> we have to figure out how to make the .ics file first
[08:05] <plovs> hornbeck, make one and copy it from .evolution/ folder
[08:05] <hornbeck> ahhh good idea
[08:06] <hornbeck> you are so smart :-)
[08:13] <hornbeck> I can not open it
[08:13] <hornbeck> what was that page again?
[08:14] <plovs> that page ?
[08:14] <hornbeck> the one about setting up the webcal
[08:14] <hornbeck> you posted it in here
[08:14] <hornbeck> sorry
[08:14] <plovs> ah, brb
[08:15] <plovs> http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/10825_2176771_2
[08:17] <sm> hello
[08:20] <plovs> hi
[08:22] <plovs> sm, shall we work from top to bottom? i'll make a new write-up on a seperate page, ok?
[08:22] <sm> alright then
[08:23] <sm> are we including plone todos ?
[08:24] <plovs> maybe all
[08:24] <sm> * make login cookies persist
[08:24] <sm> why should we log in every day
[08:26] <plovs> sm, maybe for a week or so
[08:27] <sm> I was thinking about three ways to track these going forward - bullet list, zwiki issue pages, bugzilla
[08:28] <sm> bullet list is right for now eh
[08:28] <plovs> sm, yes, a list, we send it to the ml for review and then but it in bugzilla, ok?
[08:28] <plovs> s/but/put
[08:30] <plovs> sm i'll keep a list
[08:30] <sm> alright
[08:30] <plovs> 1. persistent login
[08:30] <plovs> (we can renumber later ok?)
[08:31] <sm> bien sur
[08:31] <plovs> When editing, a link to a summary of available markup , is this possible?
[08:31] <sm> my mind is a bit foggy.. go ahead
[08:32] <sm> for sure
[08:32] <sm> what exactly is needed do you think
[08:32] <sm> well we can go into it later
[08:32] <plovs> in moin, there was a short explanation of the markup-language
[08:32] <plovs> when you press edit
[08:33] <plovs> at the bottom of the page, under the edit box
[08:33] <sm> moin-like markup explanation (for each page type)
[08:33] <sm> ok
[08:33] <sm> what else do we have here..
[08:34] <plovs> an RSS feed of changes would be extremely useful -- MarkShuttleworth
[08:34] <sm> check.. that's not hard
[08:34] <plovs> moin has this (you'll hear this a lot)
[08:34] <sm> does he know about mail subscription I wonder
[08:34] <sm> zopewiki has it
[08:35] <plovs> maybe we just need to advertise it and pretend we fixed it :-)
[08:35] <sm> yah
[08:35] <plovs> Table Of Contents
[08:36] <sm> for moin page types ?
[08:36] <sm> rst already does it, right
[08:36] <plovs> i think we use ReST and moin only
[08:37] <sm> and this should be optional right ? some moin pages won't want this ?
[08:37] <sm> so: moin-like table of contents macro for moin pages
[08:37] <plovs> choice is nice, but always is better then never
[08:38] <plovs> and ReST?
[08:39] <sm> it's in rest already
[08:39] <plovs> how?
[08:39] <sm> .. contents
[08:40] <sm> something like that
[08:40] <sm> it's in the rst docs
[08:40] <plovs> really, duh
[08:40] <sm> I believe
[08:40] <plovs> rst or ReST? or both
[08:40] <sm> rst = restructured text
[08:40] <plovs> ok
[08:40] <sm> I use it in preference to varied spelling/capitalization
[08:41] <plovs> ok
[08:41] <plovs> moin:  internal wiki links with labels - [wiki:ThisPage Description]
[08:42] <plovs> off course if hacking moin is a lot of work we can settle with rst
[08:42] <plovs> but at least one markup language should be ok
[08:42] <sm> put it as an issue, sure
[08:42] <sm> IMHO it's a non-priority
[08:43] <sm> but if someone wants to bounty it..
[08:43] <plovs> i'll put it at the bottom
[08:43] <sm> can you use html in moin btw ?
[08:43] <plovs> if you turn it on, usually turned of and advised not to
[08:43] <plovs> it just parses whatever you write
[08:44] <plovs> moin: page list regular expresions - [[PageList(Howto$.*)] ]        (idem dito?)
[08:44] <sm> is that a way to achieve labelled wiki links right now then ?
[08:44] <sm> (html in moin)
[08:45] <plovs> sorry i thought you meant in real moin, no in the wiki it doesn't work afaik, but i don't use moin often
[08:46] <sm> ok
[08:46] <sm> me neither
[08:46] <sm> page list - that's the general need macros issue, right
[08:47] <sm> I think we have a proposed solution there
[08:47] <sm> to work on, I mean
[08:47] <plovs> does dtml work in moin?
[08:48] <sm> I think.. not
[08:48] <sm> you saw the latest list discussion, right
[08:49] <plovs> anti dtml: related: right now DTML doesn't work in RST either. It's only available in the structured text and HTML page types.
[08:51] <plovs> we'll put the moin stuff in but lower in the list, i think, we should have a working solution first, ok?
[08:53] <sm> we should probably just list the issues and prioritise them according to the community's need
[08:53] <plovs> ok
[08:54] <plovs> Allow pages that list the current page to be included - [[FullSearch()] ]  one more moin macro
[08:55] <plovs> it's kindoff the same as PageList, i'll file it there
[08:55] <plovs> consider installing PTS for skin i18n (http://zopewiki.org/PlacelessTranslationService)
[08:55] <hornbeck> bbl
[08:56] <sm> yes - that would translate the plone & zwiki skins somewhat
[08:56] <plovs> this looks nice, but does it make the site even slower?
[08:57] <sm> and comes basically for free, so seems like a good idea
[08:57] <sm> no
[08:57] <plovs> then we should put it high in the list
[08:57] <sm> hmm it might interact with caching
[08:57] <sm> I think we won't know without trying
[08:57] <plovs> the admins can figure that out :-)
[08:58] <sm> actually it needs some discussion on the list; the caching guru(s) may know
[08:58] <sm> I don't know who that is
[08:58] <plovs> we just make the list, they can sort it out
[08:58] <sm> but ubuntu is international, so it should be looked into
[08:59] <plovs> in moin we had icons, flags, road-signs etc, (this is my first one, we spoke about this already)
[08:59] <plovs> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnSmileys
[08:59] <sm> yes
[08:59] <sm> these would work only in moin pages ?
[09:00] <plovs> rst, more pages are being done in rst atm
[09:00] <sm> I don't think you want to mess with standard rst though.. ?
[09:00] <sm> or maybe you do; an issue to discuss
[09:00] <sm> you're sure bugzilla is the place ? I agree it would be nice to have real issue pages
[09:01] <sm> but I'm replying to one now and it sucks
[09:01] <sm> hard
[09:01] <sm> well partly because I can't remember my login
[09:02] <plovs> ;-) that makes life hard
[09:02] <plovs> Deleted Pages do not show up in changes
[09:02] <sm> never mind.. let's get the list first
[09:02] <plovs> this is a real problem afaik
[09:03] <plovs> to keep track of the wiki, RecentChanges should work well
[09:06] <plovs> is it possible to see  Deleted Pages, somewhere?
[09:06] <sm> plovs: yes, by subscribing
[09:07] <plovs> well, i do not want to subscribe to the whole wiki, so then what?
[09:07] <sm> then it's an open issue
[09:08] <sm> current recent changes can't show them easily
[09:08] <plovs> ok, i added it
[09:08] <sm> thx.. what else
[09:08] <plovs> Add a spelling checker to the editor.
[09:08] <sm> oh, there's also http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/recycle_bin/folder_contents
[09:09] <sm> or a view like http://zwiki.org/RecycleBin
[09:09] <plovs> can i subscribe to that?
[09:09] <sm> no
[09:10] <plovs> i like http://zwiki.org/RecycleBin
[09:10] <sm> we could pretty easily set this up (not as a wiki page) on ubuntu
[09:11] <plovs> ok
[09:11] <plovs> RecentChanges? in moin has a feature which allows the user to set a bookmark timestamp
[09:12] <sm> right.. open issue
[09:12] <plovs> The frontpage has a recent items, block (left-top) stuff from the wiki does not go there, or how can the doc-team add content there?
[09:13] <sm> hmm
[09:14] <sm> only published items appear there
[09:14] <sm> something to look into
[09:15] <sm> should not be a problem
[09:15] <plovs> Add a spelling checker to the editor.
[09:15] <sm> you mentioned that one
[09:16] <sm> what else have we
[09:16] <sm> surely that's everything :)
[09:16] <plovs> plenty left
[09:16] <sm> these are all site and wiki software todos, right
[09:16] <sm> not wiki content
[09:16] <plovs> RecentChanges? calls everything new, even if it is just an update, very confusing. New, updated and removed as indicator would be much more usefull
[09:17] <sm> no.. only pages created in the last week
[09:17] <sm> we can probably do better
[09:17] <sm> hmm I have to go shortly
[09:18] <plovs> yes, it's late
[09:18] <sm> where are you ?
[09:18] <plovs> latvia, it's 22:19 here
[09:18] <sm> aha
[09:18] <sm> los angeles
[09:18] <plovs> ah, ok
[09:18] <plovs> some more quickly
[09:19] <sm> so how to move forward -
[09:19] <plovs> usernames in recentchanges are not clickable
[09:19] <bsm117532> someone please go moderate my post to ubuntu-doc...
[09:19] <sm> some of these need discussion, some don't ..
[09:19] <bsm117532> didn't want to join the mailing list...
[09:19] <sm> they all need prioritisation and the ability to be bounty-ised if they aren't happening quickly enough..
[09:20] <plovs> make optional change note, not optional
[09:20] <sm> aha, I dispute that
[09:20] <sm> open issue
[09:20] <sm> is opening a bunch of bugzilla issues the next step ?
[09:20] <plovs> that's ok, i still think i'm right :)
[09:21] <plovs> no i send it to the mailing-list for the other to say what they want done first
[09:21] <plovs> could the favourites box be added as a useroption?
[09:21] <sm> I don't know.. I need to talk about process for a sec
[09:21] <plovs> that was the last one
[09:21] <sm> great
[09:22] <sm> so you'll keep the wiki list for a bit longer, and we can adjust the ordering there based on list discussion
[09:22] <sm> maybe you can number them there, to facilitate that discussion ?
[09:22] <plovs> ok, will do that, and clean m up a bit
[09:23] <sm> cool
[09:23] <sm> there are two in bugzilla already, which we should link
[09:23] <sm> I have the urls somewhere
[09:23] <sm> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3613
[09:23] <sm> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3629
[09:24] <plovs> should i put all the items concerning RecentChanges together?
[09:24] <sm> for now, yes please
[09:24] <sm> something to think about - there is also the http://zwiki.org/IssueTracker
[09:24] <plovs> ok, i'll add those as well
[09:25] <plovs> we don't have that? looks nice
[09:25] <sm> so in some cases there'll be a page there for in-depth discussion
[09:25] <sm> you have that
[09:25] <sm> it's bugzilla-lite
[09:26] <sm> if you want to try, make a page named [#1 some issue]
[09:26] <plovs> nice, i'll try
[09:27] <sm> but I'm just pointing out we'll need to keep the different trackers in mind and try to avoid duplication
[09:27] <sm> plovs, thanks
[09:27] <plovs> yes, thank you
[09:27] <sm> is this a good hour for you ? I am often on earlier as well
[09:28] <plovs> depends, sometimes i'm busy all day until 23:00 sometimes i have time of during the day... jus ttry
[09:28] <sm> alright
[09:28] <plovs> do you use icq/gaim?
[09:28] <sm> gaim
[09:29] <plovs> you mind if i would use it if i have a question, or mailing-list?
[09:29] <plovs> or irc?
[09:29] <sm> chat is good for me
[09:29] <sm> often better than email
[09:29] <plovs> ok
[09:29] <sm> if I'm free, I'll chat
[09:29] <sm> I hang in #zwiki and #zope
[09:30] <sm> as you know, of course
[09:30] <sm> thx.. see you later
[09:30] <plovs> ok, thanks, yes, i know, see ya
[10:15] <littlepaul> ChrisH, can i ask you something?
[10:16] <sivang> hey littlepaul, ChrisH is currently away I think, what's up?
[10:17] <littlepaul> wanted to ask something about the http://irclog.workaround.org/
[10:19] <sivang> ah yes, I might help on that..what do you want to know?
[10:19] <littlepaul> logging #ubuntu would be interesting for me and others - there are a lot of good discussions
[10:23] <littlepaul> but #ubuntu has a few thousend lines per day but maby this is also the reason for living out this channel
[10:25] <sivang> are you thiking of some kiand if exarction method for info?
[10:27] <littlepaul> i thought about Security Announcements and Workarounds like the actual sed problem
[10:27] <sivang> you mean a seperate channel?
[10:28] <sivang> I can add news item to the main website
[10:28] <sivang> if you're interested in it
[10:28] <littlepaul> i am
[10:31] <sivang> ok, then
[10:31] <sivang> I was wondering what is the workaround for the sed problem..
[10:31] <sivang> which holds my apt back
[10:32] <littlepaul> smurfix posted this workaround  Quick workaround for the sed problem in hoary: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst as root, add "exit 0" in the second line...
[10:37] <littlepaul> sivang, it is late for me so i must go off now
[10:38] <littlepaul> cu and thx
[10:38] <sivang> ok, no prob
[11:55] <sivang> hey littlegreenman
[11:55] <sivang> what's up?
[11:56] <littlegreenman> hei sivang break from work :D
[11:56] <littlegreenman> how u doing?
[11:56] <sivang> fine, you? how's portugal in winter?
[11:56] <sivang> :)
[11:56] <littlegreenman> :)
[11:56] <littlegreenman> coldish
[11:57] <littlegreenman> been thinking about the open office manual thingy
[11:57] <littlegreenman> and i was wondering what is it we want to achieve, one
[11:57] <littlegreenman> and two, isn't there anything written already?
[11:57] <littlegreenman> first, is it for
[11:58] <littlegreenman> I am a newbie, never used a pc and/or word processor
[11:58] <littlegreenman> or i come from microsoft word
[11:58] <littlegreenman> or been there done that, want to know more
[11:58] <littlegreenman> or all of the above....
[11:58] <littlegreenman> :)
[11:58] <sivang> hmm, have you mailed the list about it already?
[11:59] <sivang> one things sounds really good to me, as you said you are a word processore specialist,
[11:59] <sivang> a document like ms word --> OOo/AbiWord/KWord would be great,
[12:00] <sivang> but do mail the list so we would have some more review to find you some already existing works you could use or derive on.
[12:00] <sivang> if you are interested (and have the ability) to start something from you own especially for this subject - superb.


[09:20] <alazred> zyga: Hi there ! I made the install of snapd from scratch this morning.  There are a few things that seems off When you have a few min look at the step i took to install it. Thanks! https://pastebin.com/Mu53z5km
[09:21] <zyga> alazred: can you show me the packaging file, it seems some things are wrong
[09:21] <zyga> fontconfig bits are something mborzecki should look at next week
[09:21] <zyga> he's off today and tomorrow, can you show up on Monday and chat with him please?
[09:22] <alazred> zyga: the font config thig is an error related to telegram tho
[09:23] <alazred> zyga: Yeah1 I'll try to to seek him on Monday.
[09:24] <zyga> it's a more complex issue
[09:24] <zyga> fontconfig broke compatibility
[09:25] <zyga> and writes cache in different format without saying the version is different
[09:25] <zyga> there was some more differences that were a factor that got partially resolved recently and should be released soon
[09:27] <alazred> zyga: here is the PKGBUILD file https://gitlab.manjaro.org/manjaro-arm/packages/community/snapd/-/blob/master/PKGBUILD
[09:28] <alazred> zyga: Those are the change that has been made yesterday. https://gitlab.manjaro.org/manjaro-arm/packages/community/snapd/-/blob/master/snapd.install
[09:28] <alazred> reguarding starting the snapd.apparmor.service
[09:29] <zyga> ah
[09:29] <zyga> the post install feels wrong
[09:29] <zyga> the socket should be started, not the service
[09:29] <zyga> snapd.socket
[09:29] <alazred> that was my next question
[09:29] <zyga> and the other service should be *enabled*, not started
[09:30] <zyga> and it should not be restarted on upgrade
[09:30] <zyga> and is it snapd-apparmor.service or snapd.apparmor.service?
[09:30] <zyga> the snapd apparmor service only matters on boot
[09:30] <zyga> does not need to be restarted or anything
[09:30] <zyga> on upgrade snapd.service should be restarted
[09:30] <zyga> on install snapd.socket should be enabled and started
[09:30] <zyga> and snapd apparmor service should be enabled but not started (no need to)
[09:31] <zyga> compare with our first-party arch version: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/packaging/arch/snapd.install
[09:32] <alazred> Ok and snapd.service will get started when snapd.socket will be enabled. right ?
[09:32] <zyga> and even that is buggy as it doesn't mention snapd.apparmor.service
[09:32] <zyga> snapd.service is socket activated by snapd.socket
[09:33] <zyga> so it will start when needed
[09:33] <zyga> yeah, I need to talk to maciek
[09:33] <zyga> those are all low hanging fruit
[09:34] <alazred> Same for snapd.apparmor.service is handled by snapd.socket
[09:34] <zyga> oh?
[09:35] <zyga> what do you mean?
[09:35] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/data/systemd/snapd.apparmor.service.in
[09:36] <alazred> I mean when .socket get enabled and started it handle snapd.service and snapd.apparmor.service  when it needs it
[09:38] <zyga> alazred: snapd.apparmor.service is different
[09:38] <zyga> it's not socket activated
[09:39] <zyga> it just needs to be enabled to run once on each boot
[09:39] <zyga> it's not needed after booting
[09:41] <alazred> ok all clear ! =)
[09:42] <alazred> So the change needed to be done to have a proper install are: enabling and starting snapd.socket and enabling snapd.apparmor.service.
[09:43] <zyga> yes
[09:43] <zyga> in addition there are some things done in the arch version that should be ported over
[09:43] <zyga> like handling reloading snapd
[09:43] <alazred> Perfect
[09:43] <zyga> I would sync with Maciek on Monday to discuss details as he knows this part better than I do
[09:44] <alazred> ok I'll refer that
[09:44] <alazred> Perfect thanks again for the help!
[09:44] <zyga> sure, it's a pleasure :)
[09:47] <alazred> zyga: One last thing. someting need to be done with the apparmor.service at all ?
[09:48] <zyga> I don't quite know what's the state of apparmor in manjaro but it has the same purpose as snapd.apparmor.service - it loads profiles on boot
[09:48] <zyga> apparmor profiles are text files
[09:48] <zyga> that are compiled and cached into a binary form
[09:48] <zyga> that is then loaded into the kernel to become effective
[09:48] <zyga> that service performs that step
[09:49] <alazred> ok so the snapd-apparmor.service should be sufficient
[09:49] <alazred> ?
[09:50] <zyga> it's not a replacement, it's just handling the part that snapd generated
[09:50] <zyga> both are needed, one loads system wide profiles from packages
[09:50] <zyga> and the other loads system wide profiles generated by snapd
[09:53] <alazred> OK.
[11:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3168 opened: plugins: fix loading of catkin-tools <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3168>
[12:20] <cachio> ijohnson, when you have 10 minutes, could you please take a look to #8755?
[12:20] <mup> PR #8755: tests: fix classic ubuntu core transition auth <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8755>
[12:22] <cachio> ijohnson, jello
[12:22] <ijohnson> hallo
[12:23] <ijohnson> cachio: yes I will take a look at that test
[12:28] <cachio> ijohnson, thanks
[13:00] <pedronis> ijohnson: cachio: standup?
[13:01] <ijohnson> 2fa sry
[13:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3168 closed: plugins: fix loading of catkin-tools <bug> <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3168>
[14:08] <roadmr> jdstrand: hey sorry didn't tell you yesterday - review-tools from 2020-06-08 (the one with the 2.45 snapdecl changes) is now in prod
[14:23] <jdstrand> roadmr: nice, thanks! (cc emitorino)
[14:49]  * cachio lunch
[14:57] <emitorino> nice roadmr, thanks!
[15:56] <abeato> ijohnson, hey, if a kernel/core snap had a failed update, will snapd try to refresh again to the same revision that failed?
[15:58] <ogra> hopefully not ... you'd end up in an install loop
[15:58] <ogra> (because it is likely it will keep failing if it didnt change)
[15:59] <abeato> right... but I would like confirmation ;)
[16:03] <ijohnson> abeato: iirc it depends on how it failed, if it was something like a network error trying to download we should retry but if the device fails to boot from it and it got rolled back no it shouldn't try again, but let me double check the code for you
[16:04] <abeato> ijohnson, thanks - I'm talking here about the roll back case especifically
[16:13] <pedronis> ijohnson: afair we will retry, we need a different way to remember blocked to avoid that
[16:14] <ijohnson> pedronis: hmm maybe I was thinking of `snbap revert` ?
[16:14] <ijohnson> but also you're right I don't see that code anywhere right now :-/
[16:20] <ijohnson> actually I don't even know that a snap revert will prevent automatic refresh again
[16:21] <ijohnson> I seem to recall John telling me/explaining to me how snap revert marked snaps we reverted _from_ somehow so that they were garbage collected at some point but I can't find that code at all anymore
[16:21] <ijohnson> it's probably still there I just can't find it
[16:24] <pedronis> ijohnson: yes, snap revert does
[16:25] <ijohnson> pedronis: is that by manipulating the Sequence[] and then something else cleans up the Sequence ?
[16:25] <ijohnson> that's the only logic I can find in snapstate that seems like it would clean things up
[16:25] <pedronis> ijohnson: snapst.Blocked
[16:25] <pedronis> sorry
[16:26] <pedronis> ijohnson: I mean look at SnapState.Block
[16:26] <pedronis> but yes it relates to having Current not match the top of the Sequence
[16:27] <pedronis> but it doesn't help for a kernel that failed completely because that doesn't go into Sequence
[16:27] <ijohnson> hmmm
[16:28] <ijohnson> I must say how this garbage collection works is quite unintuitive and non-obvious :-/
[16:31] <ijohnson> yeah I see how it works now for snap revert and why it won't work for kernel/base snaps
[16:31] <ijohnson> abeato: so I was wrong we will retry even if the kernel failed to boot and was rolled back unfortunately
[16:31] <ijohnson> abeato: if there's not already a LP bug about this could you file one? unclear when we will be able to get around to it however
[16:31] <abeato> ijohnson, hm, I see...
[16:32] <abeato> ijohnson, yeah, I will do that, thanks for taking a look - it certainly feels like a bug
[16:32] <pedronis> it's definitely something we want to fix, but therer are some open questions around it
[16:33] <abeato> ijohnson, so when will it try again? which is the time between snap refreshes?
[16:34] <pedronis> 6 hours unless configured otherwise
[16:36] <ijohnson> abeato: what pedronis said
[16:38] <abeato> ijohnson, pedronis : https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1883147 - thanks
[16:38] <mup> Bug #1883147: snapd does not blacklists rolled back kernel snaps <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1883147>
[16:38] <ijohnson> thanks
[16:50] <pedronis> thx
[17:31] <ijohnson> degville: hey I just noticed that the uc20 release page doesn't have an html title for the specific page ?
[17:31] <ijohnson> i.e. https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/releases/uc20 shows up as just "| Ubuntu for IoT Developers documentation"
[17:38] <degville> ijohnson: ah, good spot - thanks - I'll fix it. Most of the pages do place their titles ahead of that IoT stanza. It's probably because I'd quite like to drop it entirely but haven't been brave enough.
[17:38] <ijohnson> :-)
[19:58] <mup> PR snapd#8850 opened: dirs: delete unused Cloud var, fix typo <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8850>


[18:21] <Nivex> my barometer on UI changes is when my Dad tests them. He does not care for Unity at all.
[18:22] <Nivex> my netbook and laptop are still on LTS due to a power consumption regression in later versions
[18:22] <Nivex> my media PC and desktop have been upgraded.


[09:00] <soren> Will Ubuntu's ARM stuff work with a Pandaboard? Everyone seems to talk about Beagleboards, and I have no clue how similar they are.
[09:04] <hrw> it does
[09:06] <soren> hrw: Excellent, thanks. They seem much beefier than Beagleboards and only a bit more expensive. Is there any particular reason by Beagleboards are still the center of attention (which is the impression I get)?
[09:10] <hrw> beagleboard is easy to buy
[09:11] <hrw> and if you want to make own hw then omap3 cpu is also easy to buy
[09:11] <hrw> so companies are buying beagleboards to experiment and then develop own hw
[09:12] <soren> Funny you should say that. The reason I ask about Pandaboards is exactly because those actually seem to be available, while Beagleboards seemed to be out-of-stock in most places.
[09:12] <soren> ...but thanks for clarifying. Your other points make lots of sense.
[09:23] <hrw> I worked for company which went that route ;)
[09:26] <soren> Ok :)
[09:42] <infinity> soren: Beagles aren't the center of attention by any means.
[09:43] <infinity> soren: Pandas are out target proof-of-concept platform for most of what we do right now.
[09:43] <infinity> soren: (And the omap4 images are built specifically with Pandaboards in mind)
[09:43] <infinity> s/out target/our target/
[09:45] <soren> infinity: I must either not be paying attention or be paying attention to the wrong folks :)
[09:45] <infinity> soren: To put that in perspective, my desk has Pandas, an i.MX53, an i.MX51, a Toshiba AC100, an LG-P999, but no Beagleboards.   It's our ref platform for desktop and "mobile", but it's a POC platform for server, since the Panda is pretty effin' obviously not server hardware. ;)
[09:49] <infinity> It's really not desktop hardare either, to be honest.
[09:50] <infinity> Mobile is all I'm comfy calling it.
[09:50] <soren> ogra_: I did play around with an NSLU2 a couple of years ago, but it wore out my patience pretty quickly. I get the impression things have changed ever so slightly since then :)
[09:50] <ogra_> indeed
[09:50] <infinity> Or "a giant cell phone".
[09:50] <infinity> soren: The Panda's quite nice, modulo a couple of kernel bugs that we've finally got a handle on.
[09:50] <ogra_> nuslu2 makes a good NAS :)
[09:50] <ogra_> -s
[09:50] <infinity> soren: And the fact that all your I/O is over USB, which can get frustrating.
[09:50] <ogra_> err
[09:51] <ogra_> -u indeed
[09:51] <infinity> soren: But they're speedy, other than that.
[09:51] <soren> infinity: Oh, no SD card or anything?
[09:51] <hrw> infinity: anything omap based is mobile
[09:51] <soren> infinity: (or is that connected over a USB bus?)
[09:51] <ogra_> soren, SD is the default boot media
[09:51] <infinity> soren: The SD reader isn't on USB, but how that would make you happy, I don't know. :P
[09:51] <infinity> soren: Given that SD isn't exactly "fast".
[09:51] <ogra_> and in our preinstalled images also the default rootfs media, but of you want to use the board in production you want USB root
[09:52] <soren> infinity: Err... Right you are.
[09:53] <infinity> soren: The ethernet, and any external storage you might attempt, will be over USB2, however.    And the price point is nice for a dev kit.
[09:53] <infinity> (As is the price point for an iMX.53, if you're in a collecting mood).
[09:54] <ogra_> they surely can cope with the low end atoms speed wise
[09:54] <infinity> Oh, all the ARM kit on my desk blows my Atom netbook out of the water.
[09:54] <ogra_> sadly not IO wise
[09:54] <infinity> I only still use the Atom because it has a sane SATA controller, and, like, a portably form factor. :P
[09:55] <soren> The ethernet adaptor is hooked up to the USB bus?
[09:55] <infinity> (The i.MX53 has sane SATA, the AC100 has a good form factor, if only I could combine the two...)
[09:55] <infinity> soren: Yes.
[09:55] <ogra_> soren, well ...
[09:55] <soren> Hm. Ok.
[09:55] <ogra_> the ethernet adapter *is* the host afaik
[09:55] <ogra_> its one chip
[09:56] <infinity> Not that it matters.  USB2 is 480Mbps, the ethernet is only 100Mbps. :P
[09:56] <ogra_> indeed
[09:57] <infinity> soren: Wait... I thought you were living in the US these days?
[09:57] <ogra_> infinity, i have the ac100 datasheet, you could write a PCIe driver and use SATA SSDs
[09:57] <infinity> soren: What are you doing awake at this ungodly hour?
[09:58] <soren> infinity: Good grief, no.
[09:58] <infinity> soren: Oh, you're in .dk?
[09:58] <soren> infinity: Yup. Not planning on going anywhere either :)
[09:58]  * infinity wonders where he got the US idea...
[09:58] <soren> infinity: What are *you* doing up at this ungodly hour? Or did you move to a more sensible timezone?
[09:58] <ogra_> heh
[09:59]  * ogra_ was about to ask the same
[09:59] <infinity> ogra_: That would be more tempting if I they had PC105 keyboard variants.
[09:59] <infinity> soren: Long weekend, lots of gin, I dunno.  DON'T JUDGE ME.
[10:00] <infinity> I don't work tomorrow, I'm travelling on Tuesday, and at Plumbers on Wednesday.
[10:00] <infinity> I'm not sure that sane sleep patterns matter between now and then.
[10:00] <soren> You're in UTC-5? Or -6?
[10:00] <infinity> -6
[10:01] <soren> Ooh, lunchtime.
[10:01] <infinity> I don't often eat lunch at 4am.
[10:01] <infinity> But sure.
[10:01] <infinity> (Okay, who am I kidding, there's nothing I don't often do at 4am)
[10:01]  * ogra_ considers breakfast ...
[11:51] <lilstevie> persia: ping me when you are about
[11:52] <lilstevie> ogra_: so the ac100 has an unused mini pci-e?
[12:21] <ogra_> lilstevie, well, depends on the model, all of them have a PCIe slot, but we only have a driver for the USB part of ot atm
[12:22] <ogra_> all non 3G models dont have a header soldered to the socket though
[12:22] <lilstevie> sounds like what we have on the transformer
[12:22] <ogra_> that makes using the slot a bit difficult  on the non 3G ones
[12:22] <lilstevie> the non 3G tf has the port with no header
[12:23] <lilstevie> and well same deal with the usb part only having a driver
[12:23] <lilstevie> trimslice has a driver for its pci-e
[12:23] <lilstevie> wonder if that would help at all
[12:24] <ogra_> i doubt its a 1x1 replacement
[12:24] <ogra_> so even if they have a driver, that would likely only be a base to build on
[12:24] <lilstevie> true
[12:25] <ogra_> i think there is also a driver in the old harmony kernels
[12:25] <lilstevie> one good thing is they are all AP50
[12:25] <lilstevie> er
[12:25] <lilstevie> AP20
[12:43] <sebjan>  /join #linaro
[12:43] <sebjan> oups
[12:47] <lilstevie> ogra_: do you have a good test of egl for the ac100?
[12:48] <ogra_> not atm, i think janimo did some gles testing on ac100
[12:48] <lilstevie> ogra_: hm, what about that quake3 port?
[12:49] <ogra_> ask phh, i think he has something like that
[12:49] <lilstevie> heh ok,
[12:49] <phh> ok i need to find the url.
[12:49] <ogra_> not sure thats usable on a std ubuntu though, i think he adjusted it for the nvidia overlay stuff
[12:49] <lilstevie> I have been running CrOS kernel and u-boot on the tf
[12:49] <phh> ogra_: no
[12:50] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:50] <phh> lilstevie: it's pandora's quake3 port
[12:50] <phh> ogra_: well ok there is one change, i changed the hardcoded :0 to :1
[12:50] <lilstevie> which also is compatible with the L4T stuff
[12:50] <ogra_> heh, well, that should probably work on all tegras
[12:51] <phh> lilstevie: http://kotelett.no/ac100/phh/Android2.1/Games/openarena.tar
[12:51] <lilstevie> phh: ah ok, well I have that
[12:51] <phh> sed -ie s/:1/:0/g on the binary
[12:51] <lilstevie> awesome
[12:51] <lilstevie> kk
[12:52] <lilstevie> phh: did that libflashplayer.so come from an android flash apk?
[12:53] <phh> lilstevie: no, it comes from Atrix' L4T
[12:53] <phh> you can't use android's libflashplayer.so
[12:53] <lilstevie> ah ok
[12:53] <phh> well not as is
[12:53] <lilstevie> yeah I found that out :p
[12:53] <lilstevie> I attempted with flash 10.3 apk
[12:54] <phh> and making it work on "standard" linux would be REALLY painful
[12:54] <lilstevie> heh
[12:57] <lilstevie> I'm also having a strange problem in oneiric, I don't know if it is my fault though
[12:57] <lilstevie> :p
[12:57] <lilstevie> default route is not being set when wifi connects
[12:58] <ogra_> works fine here, its usually the duty of NM
[12:59] <lilstevie> hm
[12:59] <ogra_> might be that your driver does not expose the bits and pieces the right way for NM
[12:59] <lilstevie> it works perfect in natty
[12:59] <lilstevie> it is the brcmfmac staging driver
[12:59] <ogra_> well, might be an NM bug, but i definitely dont see it here
[13:00] <ogra_> so i would guess driver ...
[13:01] <lilstevie> ok
[13:03] <lilstevie> hmm ok
[13:04] <lilstevie> so looking at the network manager logs, i have <warn> Failed to add route Invalid input data or parameter
[13:04] <lilstevie> but that is for setting ipv6 stuff which I don't use cause I don't have
[13:27] <lilstevie> ogra_: are builds still taking 70 minutes when you build locally on your ac100?
[13:28] <ogra_> kernel ?
[13:29] <ogra_> i havent built locally for quite some time, and before i always had a configured tree, so only changed files were rebuilt
[13:29] <lilstevie> heh yeah
[13:29] <lilstevie> building with debuild cleans the tree every time though :/
[13:30] <ogra_> yeah, i dont do that for tests
[13:30] <ogra_> and for binary packages i just use the archive :)
[13:30] <lilstevie> yeah I am building this not as a test though, trying to seed it into an image
[13:31] <lilstevie> but also making sure that it builds
[13:31] <lilstevie> so if I send it to persia that it doesn't get rejected again :p
[13:32] <lilstevie> I'm not lucky enough to have an archive that I can upload it to :p
[13:33] <ogra_> just get more sponsored packages in ... and then apply for upload rights ;)
[13:33] <lilstevie> heh, well I don't have one yet
[13:35] <lilstevie> ogra_: though some massive stuff has happened for us with the transformer
[13:35] <lilstevie> we got a u-boot port
[13:36] <ogra_> we have a u-boot port for the ac100 as well
[13:36] <lilstevie> working well?
[13:36] <ogra_> its just not usable without any input device support
[13:36] <lilstevie> ah yeah, similar space then
[13:36] <ogra_> seems to work if you have soldered a serial port on
[13:36] <lilstevie> trying to figure out how to to get the stupud EC keyboard to work with it
[13:37] <lilstevie> keyboard gives us some input, just it is random noise
[13:38] <lilstevie> but I have interaction through boot.scr :p
[18:24] <plm> the ubuntu for omap will works in this board too? http://igloocommunity.org/
[18:24] <plm> of course is omap.. but my question is about the board.. or just pandaboard with omap4 is supported?
[18:32] <infinity> The Snowball isn't OMAP.
[18:33] <plm> infinity: ahh sorry.. is just cortex-A9
[18:33] <infinity> Of course, Ubuntu's userspace will run fine on Snowballs, we just don't ship a kernel or installer for them currently.
[18:33] <plm> infinity: but.. they say that supported by ubuntu
[18:34] <plm> infinity: but what ubuntu I get to install in snowball?
[18:34] <infinity> See above.  We don't have a Snowball installer.
[18:34] <plm> infinity: because don't have a ubuntu for ARM. just for omap
[18:34] <plm> humm
[18:35] <infinity> All of our packaged software will work fine on them.  Just, like I said, no kernel or installer.
[18:35] <infinity> Linaro's hwpacks should work for Snowball.
[18:35] <plm> infinity: yes.. option is linaro
[18:35] <infinity> And you could, for instance, use linaro-image-create with an ubuntu-core tarball as the rootfs and a snowball hwpack, to create a Snowball image.
[18:36] <plm> humm
[18:37] <infinity> We're working on trying to make this whole "every board is different, so we can't have a unified installer" business a bit less messy going forward.
[18:37] <infinity> But building 32 different images isn't the way to go. :P
[18:38] <plm> infinity: maybe is better use entire linaro.. because has modified kernel and apps to works with board.. like, acell, GPIO, gps and so one
[18:38] <infinity> It will, ultimately, be about leveraging linaro hwpack type stuff with Ubuntu rootfses, I imagine.
[18:38] <infinity> Hrm?  Other than the kernel, "linaro" is Ubuntu.  Well, except that they rebuild binaries to test their toolchain.
[18:39] <infinity> If you want your userspace to be supported sanely, Ubuntu userspace with a linaro kernel is the way to go.
[18:39] <infinity> Which is what you get with a linaro hwpack.
[18:39] <infinity> And an ubuntu tarball.
[18:40] <plm> infinity: so I use just kernel of linaro and the rest is the same ubuntu used in ubuntu for omap?
[18:41] <infinity> Yes... There is no "Ubuntu for OMAP".
[18:41] <infinity> Don't confuse installers with the archive.
[18:41] <plm> ok
[18:41] <plm> so for arm :-)
[18:41] <infinity> Our OMAP images are Ubuntu with an OMAP kernel and an installer that knows how to boot the system.
[18:41] <plm> ubuntu for arm :-)
[18:42] <plm> but the packages are ported/recompiled for arm arch.. is not the same use in cisc right
[18:42] <infinity> The ubuntu/arm packages are just generic armv7, they work on anything.
[18:42] <infinity> Well, anything v7 and up.
[18:43] <plm> infinity: are there in "cookbook" or a tutorial for to do that.. linaro kernel + ubuntu?
[18:43] <infinity> linaro-image-tools takes an argument for a rootfs tarball.  You'd just need to point it at an ubuntu-core tarball, and that would be that.
[18:44] <infinity> I'm sure there's l-i-t documentation somewhere, but other than manpages, I'm not sure where to point you online.
[18:44] <plm> ok
[18:44] <plm> infinity: thanks.. that is a good start point :-)


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[01:00] <Niglop> how can I edit my theme in xfce?
[01:05] <schlaftier> Niglop: you mean really edit a particular theme or just choose between themes? And are you referring to window decorations or the GTK theme?
[01:06] <Niglop> um schlaftier I have 'shiki-wise' as my theme
[01:06] <Niglop> I want to change the color of the text in my panel
[01:27] <Sysi> Niglop: you can propably edit gtkrc in folder where theme is, but you have to know how to
[01:36] <RJ_F1> how do I change keybindings? More specifically, I am on a HP laptop with the Volume Up-Down buttons, and I read an article on how to set them to virtual F-buttons, F21,22,and 23
[01:37] <RJ_F1> but the article I read was for openbox.
[01:38] <RJ_F1> anybody?
[01:41] <Niglop> yeah Sysi  I just don't know what syntax to enter
[01:46] <RJ_F1> does anybody know the answer to my question? or should I try a different channel?
[04:26] <picard1421> hey guys can i install GDM themes on xubuntu
[04:26] <picard1421> like not the GDM2 which you cannot theme the login screen.. like login screen themes for GDM1 ? etc..?
[04:27] <picard1421> ??
[04:27] <picard1421> i was thinking about installing Xubuntu instead of Gnome ubuntu.. beccause the new gnome has the GDM2
[04:28] <picard1421> i want to install the normal style GDM themes... for the login.. can xubuntu 10.04 do that?
[04:33] <picard1421> any xubus out there?
[05:02] <Niglop> How can I edit the color of the font in my panel?
[05:05] <Niglop> how can I change the color of my font on my panel?
[06:04] <picard1421> anyone here?
[06:05] <picard1421> i had a question about installing XDM
[06:05] <picard1421> i want to use GDM themes ... but obviously a very light GUI login screen
[06:05] <picard1421> xubuntu 10.04 is not GDM its GDM2 correct? im trying to install XDM on a regualr karmic server install..
[06:06] <picard1421> so i intalled x with sudo apt-get install xinit and also install xdm.. but whenever i boot it goes to CLI???C?C?C?
[06:52] <pleia2> ii  gdm                                   2.30.2.is.2.30.0-0ubuntu3                       GNOME Display Manager
[06:53] <pleia2> looks like gdm 2.3
[06:53] <picard1421> yea
[06:53] <picard1421> i dont want that
[06:53] <picard1421> ,ol
[06:53] <picard1421> lol
[06:53] <picard1421> want GDM1
[06:53] <pleia2> you'll have to use an older version of ubuntu for older packages
[06:54] <pleia2> but even 8.04 from over 2 years ago ships with 2.2
[06:55] <pleia2> gdm1 is pretty old :\
[06:56] <pleia2> there are a number of themes for gdm in the repository, what problem are you having exactly?
[07:08] <picard1421> ok..
[07:08] <picard1421> pleia2: are you  tehre
[07:08] <pleia2> yes
[07:09] <picard1421> i want to use this theme
[07:09] <picard1421> in XDM
[07:09] <picard1421> or GDM doesnt matter
[07:09] <picard1421> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/SystemAccess?content=52145
[07:09] <picard1421> im not sure how to do it..
[07:09] <pleia2> I think you'll have to use gdm
[07:10] <pleia2> but I really don't know much about theming, might want to ask in #ubuntu
[07:10] <pleia2> just ask how to install a theme from gnome-look
[11:36] <Graciasfidel> hi all
[11:37] <Graciasfidel> i've installed a fresh xubuntu 10.04, and i have a little problem with qt4-theme
[11:40] <Graciasfidel> on session xubuntu the theme gkt is not used with application qt, but on session xfce the theme gkt is used
[11:40] <Graciasfidel> why ?
[11:40] <Sysi> xfce uses gtk
[11:41] <Sysi> qt-programs use qt
[11:41] <Graciasfidel> ok but why on session xubuntu the theme gkt is not used with application qt, but on session xfce the theme gkt is used
[11:41] <Sysi> qt-apps don't use gtk-theme
[11:42] <Sysi> (of course there are exeptions)
[11:43] <Graciasfidel> i speak a seesion with gdm
[11:43] <Graciasfidel> session*
[11:43] <Graciasfidel> you want a screenshot ?
[11:44] <Sysi> it maybe makes things more clear
[11:50] <Graciasfidel> first screenshot is on xubuntu session with qjackctl
[11:50] <Graciasfidel> http://www.imagup.com/pics/1280893444.html
[11:51] <Graciasfidel> 2 on xfce session with qjackctl
[11:51] <Graciasfidel> http://www.imagup.com/pics/1280893572.html
[11:53] <Sysi> oh right, now i got it
[11:53] <Graciasfidel> :)
[11:54] <Sysi> they're handling them differenly for some reason, but at least they work in other :P
[11:55] <Graciasfidel> :P
[13:21] <Ileden> Hi! Ubuntu/gnome has a nice way of moving windows around workspaces, but pressing ctrl-shift-alt with arrow keys. Is there a way to duplicate this in xubuntu?
[13:22] <TheSheep> Ileden: yes, you can set the keys in window manager setttings
[13:28] <Ileden> TheSheep: really? I thought I had looked there...
[13:29] <Ileden> gah, apparently not.
[13:29] <Ileden> oh well, thanks for helping this silly person :D
[13:31] <tesuji> can someone tell me how to change boot options with livecd?
[14:08] <slow-motion> hi
[14:17] <brain_> hi good morning people
[15:24] <br41ng33k> scan
[15:24] <br41ng33k> hi good morning people
[15:24] <knome> !hi | br41ng33k
[15:24] <vinnl> Good afternoon :)
[15:24] <knome> oh hai vinnl
[15:25] <vinnl> Hey knome :)
[15:27] <charlie-tca> hey, vinnl
[15:27] <knome> hoi charlie-tca
[15:27] <charlie-tca> Hello, knome
[15:27] <Sysi> ohai ppl
[15:28] <vinnl> Hey charlie-tca en Sysi :)
[15:28] <vinnl> Getting busy around here :)
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Hello, Sysi
[17:13] <tesuji> can anyone tell me how to install a bootable xubuntu onto a usb?  this is not a job for usb-creator - it does make a bootbale usb but directories that should be owned by root are instead owned by user 1000 so that you don't have to sudo, and that is gonna cause problems down the road
[17:14] <Sysi> you want real installation to the stick?
[17:14] <Sysi> take off your hdd and do normal installation from cd
[17:15] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[17:16] <tesuji> charlie-tca, it helps if you read the ques before you give the answer :)
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Maybe the question was not clear, then?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> It also helps to answer questions asked, if you want help.
[17:19] <tesuji> charlie-tca, i said explicitly i cannot use the solution you gave
[17:19] <Sysi> how about mine
[17:19] <tesuji> sysi i give it a try
[17:21] <charlie-tca> I am sorry. I will not attempt to help you again
[17:21] <slow-motion> bye
[17:25] <tesuji> charlie-tca, i apologize for barking at you, completely undeserved
[17:27] <tesuji> charlie-tca, fyi - if a person is going to run off the usb he needs a rela install on the usb - what usb-creator makes is just a livecd on the usb - not the same
[17:28] <charlie-tca> That was the question asked by Sysi that never got an answer. I could not read what you were thinking.
[17:29] <tesuji> charlie-tca, it was the answer i was looking for - in the process of trying that right now
[17:29] <charlie-tca> good to hear. I am glad you got an answer then.
[17:35] <tesuji> i am using xubuntu because my machine has limited memory - will the system be lighter if i dump the gnome compatibility stuff, and if so, how do i do that?
[17:37] <tesuji> hello?
[18:01] <tesuji> Sysi, i installed to the thumbdrive as you suggested but it doesn't boot...
[18:06] <Sysi> you put grub there too? it should boot, if you have set it in bios
[18:06] <tesuji> Sysi, i just ran the install, whatever the install does, doesn't it always install grub?
[18:07] <Sysi> it does
[18:07] <tesuji> Sysi, this computer will boot off the thumbdrive, have done it many times
[18:07] <Sysi> do you get *anything*?
[18:07] <tesuji> Sysi, no
[18:07] <tesuji> Sysi, flashing cursor, that's all
[19:17] <Graciasfidel> bye all
[20:06] <br41ng33k> qitr
[20:06] <br41ng33k> exit
[20:06] <br41ng33k> quit
[20:07] <Sysi> (just do it :)
[20:08] <statue2> Hello. I seem to have no sound, after upgrading from xubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. I've  been lurking for hours trying to find solutions, tried out many, and still have no  sound. Could someone please help me?
[20:09] <statue2> Just as a note, I'm on a ~9yr old laptop
[20:09] <statue2> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[20:16] <statue2> ~sigh~
[20:16] <charlie-tca> !sound
[20:18] <statue2> charlie-tca: thanks. I've been to 2/3 of those, but I guess it's time to check the third :p
[20:18] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:18] <statue2> ugh
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I got about 4 installations running at one time, so a little busy here
[20:18] <statue2> such an annoying problem
[20:18] <statue2> that's okay. I can wait/check stuff out first
[20:19] <Sysi> 9.10 had lots of sound problems
[20:20] <statue2> it seems so
[20:20] <statue2> :/
[20:21] <statue2> and when I tried to switch to 10.04 (a while back), all hell broke loose
[20:41] <sjjh> hi, I've problems with a fresh installed xubuntu 10.04
[20:41] <sjjh> for the German speaki
[20:41] <sjjh> *ng people: I've followed this howto: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/System_verschl%C3%BCsseln/Alternate_Installation
[20:42] <sjjh> In english: I've used the alternate CD to create a encypted installation using LVM
[20:42] <sjjh> but now I can't boot my notebook.
[20:43] <sjjh> I can enter my passphrase, but after an ok-message I only get an empty screen
[20:43] <sjjh> anybody know what to do?
[20:44] <sjjh> booting the rescue system with the alternate CD is no problem. but I didn't found any usefull stuff in /var/log/
[20:48] <charlie-tca> switch using Ctrl+Alt+F2 and then back to Alt+F7 sometimes works
[20:50] <sjjh> here not. :-/
[20:50] <sjjh> still only a blank screen.
[20:51] <sjjh> is it possible to see the messages, what the laptop is atm doing?
[20:52] <sjjh> I mean, I don't get a spash-screen, but nervertheless there should be some more messages after "cryptsetup: sda_crypt setup successfully", shoudln't?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> yes, but they may on tty1 or 6 instead of the one it is on
[20:54] <charlie-tca> Sometimes switching through the ttys will show them
[20:54] <sjjh> well STRG+ALT+F1 ... F8 didn't show anything
[20:55] <charlie-tca> and you are sure you used the correct passphrase? They are case sensitive, you know.
[20:55] <sjjh> yes, I'm shure.
[20:55] <charlie-tca> that's a bug then
[20:55] <sjjh> I get the "cryptsetup: sda_crypt setup successfully" message
[20:56] <sjjh> so it should be correct. And I can start the rescuesystem (using the alternate cd), and there I can mount my encrypted /
[20:57] <sjjh> well, it's an fujitsu siemens lifebook S7010, it's an older one. so no brand new (not yet support) hardware.
[20:59] <sjjh> and here it sais, that it is (better "was") supportet in ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsFujitsu
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Might be an issue with the video card instead of the encrypted file system
[21:04] <sjjh> but I can see the passphrase enter-dialog. so I should be able to see some text messages what'S going on on tty 1 to 8, shouldn't I?
[21:05] <sjjh> Is there anything I can check/edit with the rescue system? I can mount / so I would be able to edit X11 config or so...
[21:05] <charlie-tca> no, because it switches to a framebuffer after that
[21:06] <sjjh> ok. any log I should check?
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Try holding the shift key during the boot, and see if the grub menu will come up. then you can edit the boot line and remove splash quiet to see what is happening
[21:06] <charlie-tca> It will be before the passphrase is asked for
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Errors should show up in /var/log/syslog
[21:08] <sjjh> deleting quit splash was good.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> That's a one time boot thing. To make it permanent, you remove them in /etc/default/grub
[21:09] <sjjh> nearly... I just turned around my head an all messages were gone. blank screen again. No messages any more on tty1-8
[21:09] <sjjh> but there where some lines, so it is actually doing *anything*.
[21:10] <charlie-tca> video card issues.
[21:10] <sjjh> I'll use the altrnate cd again and have a look in /var/log/syslog
[21:11] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/ might help you
[21:12] <sjjh> thx "blank on startup issuses" sounds familiar
[21:15] <charlie-tca> They don't specifically address encrypted drives, but it should be the same after you entered the passphrase
[21:16] <sjjh> yeah, I can enter the correct passpharse, thats realy not the problem, and without "quiet slash" I still see something hppening. It will be a problem with the video card
[21:17] <sjjh> FYI: syslog is 0 byte
[21:17] <sjjh> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen they suggest to log in at tty1. But I don't get so far, I don't get a text login prompt.
[21:22] <sjjh> I tried to collect some xrandr data like toled here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/NonGraphicalBoot -- blank screen again, need to reboot...
[21:26] <sjjh> mh, I tried to create the xrandr-file in /tmp, but after reeboting there is no file...
[21:27] <sjjh> another try in /root
[21:43] <sjjh> no luck again
[21:47] <sjjh> strange no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[21:52] <sjjh> after creating an xorg.conf with only the section "Device" with using the vesa driver (like here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen) I was able to boot...
[21:52] <sjjh> charlie-tca BIG thx for your help!
[21:52] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:54] <sjjh> no I can go to bed with a happy smile on my face. :-D
[21:55] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:56] <sjjh> but strange, that the xorg.conf was missing completely, and that creating a nearly empty one did the trick.
[21:56] <knome> sjjh, it's normal to not have xorg.conf in the new ubuntu releases
[21:56] <charlie-tca> xorg.conf is no longer created by default. Most systems will work without one. If you create it, it will then be used
[21:57] <sjjh> mh I don'T have the heart to delete it... :-D
[21:57] <sjjh> maybe tomorow.
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Keep it, it won't hurt anything
[21:58] <knome> except the HD and CPU >:)
[21:58] <sjjh> charlie-tca do you know the defult permissions that the xorg.cof should have? because I gave it 777 to make sure that missing permissions are no problem...
[21:59] <sjjh> well, therefor I chose Xubuntu and not Ubuntu, to have some HD and CPU in spare ;-)
[21:59] <charlie-tca> 644
[21:59] <knome> and probably owned by root
[22:00] <sjjh> it is root:root
[22:00] <charlie-tca> permissions are 644
[22:00] <sjjh> thx. will change that
[22:02] <sjjh> wow WLAN access without preoblems - didn'T have that with my desktop pc
[22:03] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:03] <sjjh> beside I liked cable better (for a desktop)
[22:04] <sjjh> but wireless is cool for a laptop :-D
[22:15] <slow-motion> hi
[22:20] <sjjh> hi slow-motion
[22:20] <slow-motion> hi sjjh
[22:20] <sjjh> if yo've got a question/problem just start asking :-)
[22:21] <Sysi> s-m is oldie :)
[22:22] <sjjh> okay, even better when you are here without a problem - than you can help people like me. :-D ;-)
[22:56] <sjjh> gn8


[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <rpadovani> mzanetti, o/ I started to review the fix-enable-push, but I can' t compile it, there is some new dependecy?
[07:57] <rpadovani> reminders-app/src/push-helper/core.cpp:7:28: fatal error: Accounts/Manager: No such file or directory
[07:57] <rpadovani>  #include <Accounts/Manager>
[08:00] <mzanetti> rpadovani, ah, sorry, forgot to drop that
[09:34] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:34] <dpm> hey dholbach
[09:34] <dholbach> dpm, do you remember, when playing around with the developer portal locally, that you got an error message about "Reason given for failure:    CSRF cookie not set."?
[09:35] <dholbach> I just added a new app with a model and wanted to navigate to its admin view
[09:35] <dholbach> and got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11755682/
[09:35]  * dpm looks
[09:36] <dpm> dholbach, are you familiar with https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/csrf/ ?
[09:37] <dpm> this is what has fixed it for me in the times I've gotten that error
[09:37] <didrocks> you can set CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN to None to disable the check for local hacking
[09:38] <dpm> ah, thanks didrocks
[09:38]  * didrocks got that when working on OneConf some years ago :)
[09:38] <didrocks> yw!
[09:41] <dholbach> ah, cool - thanks
[09:58]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[10:42] <faenil> Hey guys, are you aware of any app/project running on UbuntuTouch which uses qtquickcontrols?
[10:44] <nik90> faenil: I remember using it in my app
[10:44] <nik90> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-controls-splitview.html
[10:44] <t1mp> nik90: which app?
[10:44] <t1mp> nik90: you have millions of apps ;)
[10:44] <nik90> t1mp: I used SplitView in my Flashback for a short while
[10:44] <faenil> nik90: did you package the whole controls files with your app? or just the .so?
[10:44] <faenil> or did you just install the package on phone? (which is what I'm doing right now)
[10:44] <nik90> faenil: is QtQuick Controls seeded in the default images?
[10:45] <faenil> nope
[10:45] <nik90> hmm strange..
[10:46] <t1mp> nik90: speaking of splitview, did you see this idea yet? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit#heading=h.16jpv756ki35
[10:46] <nik90> requesting access now
[10:48] <t1mp> nik90: with which email address you want access? I can add you
[10:48] <t1mp> nik90: I gues your request goes to zsombi but he's on holidays
[10:48] <nik90> t1mp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:48] <nik90> faenil: It was a long time ago when I wanted to create tablet app where I needed to show a Sidebar on the left. For that purpose I used a SplitView since it allowed the user to increase/decrease the width. I cannot remember how exactly it worked at the time though :/
[10:49] <t1mp> nik90: ok, I added you.
[10:49] <nik90> t1mp: thnx
[10:49] <faenil> nik90: np. I just install the package, but that way I can't send it to ubuntu store
[10:50] <t1mp> nik90: so the MultiColumnView also takes care of adding/removing columns when the window size changes
[10:50] <faenil> so I guess I'll have to have a submodule pointing to qqc source, and modify the pros to build qqc together with my app and then bundle everything in the same click
[10:50] <nik90> faenil: previously I used to request ogra_ to seed specific QT packages that I thought would be useful to app devs. If you make legitimate use case, then they might add it.
[10:50] <t1mp> it should all be automatic. On narrow window you get behavior like a pagestack, on wider windows you get two columns
[10:51] <nik90> t1mp: oh wow..how does Ubuntu.Layouts work with this? Can one combine them together?
[10:51] <ogra_> nik90, sil2100 took that over from me (i work full time on snappy)
[10:52] <nik90> ogra_: ah ok..so you left us for something better eh until we reach wily+snappy :P
[10:52] <ogra_> many of us did to prepare the switch, yes
[10:53] <faenil> t1mp: automatic as long as you define the rules to add columns
[10:54] <t1mp> nik90: we use the Layout attached objects to specify the widths etc of the columns (not required, only if you want to override the defaults)
[10:54] <faenil> (unless you changed the code atm it requires you to change the number of columns yourself, which could make sense)
[10:54] <t1mp> the current implementation of MultiColumnView is using RowLayout
[10:55] <t1mp> nik90: in case you are interested in the code, https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview/+merge/261703
[10:55] <t1mp> feel free to comment
[10:56] <nik90> ah ok ..makes sense
[10:57] <nik90> I would need to try it out to see how it works
[12:06] <dholbach> mhall119, do you use any special local settings for the dev portal?
[12:06] <dholbach> I added a new app with models to it, with migrations and stuff, and I'm running into CSRF issues in the admin interface
[13:31] <dholbach> mhall119, not sure if you have time, but can you use /admin in lp:~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/store-data?
[15:15] <didrocks1> t1mp: bzoltan_: hey, do you know if there is any simple way of testing the state saver on desktop? (just for testing purpose, I'm fine with hackish way ;))
[15:16] <t1mp> kalikiana: ^ did you do any work on that? or was it zsombi?
[15:17] <kalikiana> t1mp: I don't think I hacked the code, though I was reviewing most of it
[15:17] <kalikiana> didrocks1: kill the app
[15:17] <kalikiana> Ctrl+C does the job
[15:18] <didrocks1> kalikiana: and then, repress F5 to start it?
[15:18]  * didrocks1 tries
[15:19] <didrocks1> kalikiana: hum, doesn't seem so…
[15:19] <didrocks1> kalikiana: oh, actually, you're right
[15:20] <didrocks1> but it seems there is a bug in the state saver to restore some textfield
[15:20]  * didrocks1 will have a deeper look
[15:20] <didrocks1> thanks kalikiana!
[15:20] <didrocks1> (it seems to break data-binding)
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[16:01] <rarara_> hi channel!
[16:04] <rarara_> I have a question about qml. I have a main.qml where I have a xmlListModel that fetches and displays an xml file from the internet. I want to decouple the xml logic, the model, in a file Data.qml. But now how do i 'instantiate' Data.qml and access all of its objects? I want to check for status and give it to a listmodel.
[16:28] <sverzegnassi> popey, ping
[16:34] <popey> sverzegnassi: heya
[16:35] <sverzegnassi> popey, o/ I've replied to https://code.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/ubuntu-docviewer-app/document-page-filters/+merge/261858
[16:35] <popey> ooh, i'll look
[16:35] <sverzegnassi> what do you think for the title of the page (I've proposed just "Documents")?
[16:36] <popey> +1 :)
[16:36] <popey> Makes more sense than "Viewer"
[16:38] <sverzegnassi> ok thanks, I will update the branch with the fixes then. I hope to complete it today :)
[16:41] <popey> thanks sverzegnassi :)
[16:46] <kalikiana> bzoltan_: what's up with this? https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/landing_12-6-2015/+merge/261831
[18:30] <dupingping> awesome notes editor: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntusticky/files/ubuntu-sticky-trial_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb/download
[20:27] <dubstar_04> my Qt Creator has gone bonkers and I can't copy and paste or press return for a new line. Anyone else seen this?
[20:53] <dubstar_04> sorted: if this comes up again i deleted the config files at /home/user/.config/QtProject and its working again.
[23:47] <josharenson> I have a Map component that is, essentially, full screen. It seems to be preventing the back button (in a PageStack) from appearing. Any tricks to get around this?