[00:00] <kenrin> What model A8 do you have
[00:00] <Aginor> Fenix_Peregrino: possibly, but it depends on a bunch of stuff
[00:00] <Fenix_Peregrino> AMD A8-7650K Radeon R7
[00:01] <Fenix_Peregrino> Aginor: like what :)?
[00:01] <Aginor> Fenix_Peregrino: drivers, linux port quality of the games, ram, other hardware in the system
[00:02] <kenrin> Yeah that CPU should be fine even by itself with no dedicated GPU at 60fps
[00:02] <kenrin> at medium settings anyway
[00:03] <Fenix_Peregrino> Aginor: I have good RAM and most or components are high quality. I just have problems in the processor part and graphic card.
[00:03] <Fenix_Peregrino> kenrin: perfect, the thing is I have it at best and shadows at ultra settings
[00:04] <kenrin> shadows is one of the things that kill FPS
[00:05] <Fenix_Peregrino> kenrin: lol
[00:07] <Fenix_Peregrino> kenrin: I was thinking getting this graphic card.Asus® Video AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB GDDR5 ROG Strix
[00:07] <Fenix_Peregrino> kenrin: will do the work?
[00:08] <leftyfb> Fenix_Peregrino: at this point, you should take this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:08] <kenrin> Honestly I think you'll still be limited by the CPU,  LoL isn't a GPU intensive game
[00:09] <Fenix_Peregrino> kenrin: is Dota2 a GPU intensive game?
[00:09] <kenrin> Nope
[00:09] <Fenix_Peregrino> leftyfb: ok :)
[00:09] <Fenix_Peregrino> kenrin: :(
[00:38] <lxtemp> hi, does ubuntu pull in non-security updates from debian outside the 6-month release cycle?
[00:38] <lxtemp> (I'm finally moving from win to linux and trying to pick between debian testing and ubuntu (for desktop). I do have some linux experience but prefer when things work, but I also like to have current software)
[00:41] <fallentree> lxtemp: ubuntu does important bugfix and security fixes for the lifetime of a release. imho, ubuntu does it faster and better than debian.
[00:41] <fallentree> meaning you'll see fixes in ubuntu sooner than in debian.
[00:41] <fallentree> generally.
[00:42] <lxtemp> even faster than debian testing?
[00:42] <fallentree> depends but yes that's my experience
[00:43] <fallentree> lxtemp: note that debian testing is actually last to receive updates in debian. sid and stable/oldstable get first, testing later
[00:43] <Fenix_Peregrino> can someone tell me how to see the CPU and GPU usage? what program or command should I use?
[00:43] <fallentree> security fixes at least
[00:44] <fallentree> Fenix_Peregrino: "System Monitor" for some nice graphs, or top on command line. as for GPU, no idea except nvidia-settings for nvidia
[00:46] <Fenix_Peregrino> fallentree: thank you very much
[00:46] <lxtemp> fallentree: thanks! do you know how bad the upgrades from one release to another are? in the past, I've always had some issues, and all the ubuntu systems I've used for a while were popping up crash warnings on login :(
[00:46] <Fenix_Peregrino> fallentree: !!!
[00:48] <fallentree> lxtemp: some swear they're fine, but that's not my experience, I always reinstall
[00:48] <lxtemp> ouch
[00:50] <fallentree> given the changes they do between releases, I'm not surprised
[00:51] <fallentree> I can only fetch boxloads of popcorn for the 17.10 upbreakgrade :)
[00:55] <lxtemp> fallentree, you mentioned ubuntu getting fixes faster - are we talking days or months here?
[00:57] <fallentree> days to weeks. sometimes debian is faster, but generally not. but that's not the point. the point is in ubuntu SAUCE patches to the kernel that debian hasn't got, so security is better in ubuntu. plus apparmor is native. if you need to choose, go ubuntu.
[00:59] <Bashing-om> lxtemp: I have seen security patches done within minutes of the discovery in ubuntu .
[01:04] <lxtemp> sigh. I guess I'll buy two stacks of keyboards. Try to get a working environment on debian, try to get a working environment on ubuntu, and try to maintain both across a release. the distro with the highest remaining stack of keyboards wins and stays, the other joins the keyboards broken in frustration on the way out ;)
[01:12] <lxtemp> thanks for the help, I think I'll just try both out one more time!
[01:19] <roothorick> Am I seeing this right? 64bit and 32bit Qt development files cannot be installed simultaneously?
[01:38] <roothorick> oh for crying out... I don't think 32bit Qt is even possible on 64bit
[01:38] <roothorick> in 16.04 at least
[01:42] <roothorick> Qt's official install instructions on Ubuntu specifically "download and run this installer..." well that pretty much confirms it
[01:51] <_28Kb> !apparmor
[01:55] <sachina> I used dd to create a bootable pendrive and created a new partition on it for persistent storage but it is not saving data of session. What is the thing I am missing?
[01:59] <Random832> sachina, i don't think you can do persistent storage if you use dd, you have to use a tool like usb-creator
[02:00] <sachina> Actually I followed a tutorial on linux dot com. DD was used to create bootable drive and gparted to create a new partition to store data.
[02:01] <Random832> well i don't know what instructions you followed... it looks like it is possible to do with a partition according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent but it has to have a volume label casper-rw
[02:01] <Random832> since i don't know what you did i don't know what you're missing
[02:02] <sachina> I labled partition as live-rw. Is this what I am missing?
[02:02] <Random832> maybe i don't know
[02:02] <sachina> ok, let me try that..
[02:02] <Random832> the instructions i found say casper-rw
[02:12] <catbehemoth> +
[02:20] <Jordan_U> sachina: I believe it should be "casper-rw".
[03:33] <schultza> How do I make a live-usb with the drivers I need for nvidia graphics and network from another computer so that the one I want to boot will have both GUI and network access?
[03:37] <Jordan_U> schultza: What happens when you try to boot the live-usb on the target computer now? If you at all can, it's easier to install drivers after installing Ubuntu.
[03:38] <schultza> I'm not trying to install ubuntu on this machine. Im doing emergency rescue of windows drives before I restart windows on it. There is a partition that doesnt seem to be recognizing by windows nor linux/ubuntu with an NTFS or FAT FS.
[03:38] <schultza> IE: im making an as-is 1:1 backup of the whole drive.
[03:40] <schultza> Now, to answer your question, I get to live boot, it has a problem with neavuo (sp?) drivers and doesnt load any GUI, just the command prompt. I plug in network cable, but doesnt update network settings. Manually update ip address and netmask, but doesnt seem to talk.
[03:49] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | schultza
[03:50] <schultza> I'll try this.
[04:13] <lgc> Hi. My ubuntu app-store goes blank and does nothing when I select an item or I type some name in the text box. What gives?
[04:16] <Oderus> Hello. I've replaced the sddm icons for breeze-slider theme and when I boot up they do not appear. However, when i run sddm-greeter from terminal, they do appear. Any ideas?
[04:26] <jayjo> Why would ssh fail from one machine and not the other when the pem file is the same used to authenticate on both? permission denied public key
[04:41] <dave79> anybody?
[04:41] <kostkon> !anyone
[04:41] <kostkon> nope
[04:41] <DArqueBishop> !ask | dave79
[04:41] <cfhowlett> dave79, anyone and no one will answer a question you have not asked
[04:58] <k_sze[work]> If my Ubuntu 14.04 installation never had a lightdm upstart conf in /etc/init/, it's probably the server flavour, right? I can't remember what flavour I installed on an old machine.
[04:59] <cfhowlett> k_sze[work], in your terminal: inxi -F | grep Desktop
[05:00] <k_sze[work]> I don't have inxi
[05:03] <Bashing-om> k_sze[work]: Neat little tool to have ' sudo a[t intall inxi '  man page is great reading ! - inxi -xxxw .
[05:03] <cfhowlett> apt install inxi
[05:03] <Bashing-om> sudo apt install *
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:17] <senaa> when I login stuck https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mA2774Is/P70606-131754.jpg
[06:18] <BlitzerHound> I need help with something that will hopefully be simple. I've looked up instructions on installing a standalone flash player on ubuntu, and there are instructions, but for some reason they don't seem to be working or I'm doing them wrong. TLDR - how do I get a standalone flash player on ubuntu?
[06:19] <skjar> join raspberrypi
[06:21] <BlitzerHound> Me?
[06:38] <ansichart> cat < /dev/tcp/towel.blinkenlights.nl/23
[06:38] <ansichart> ^ best command ever
[06:38] <Bashing-om> !info flashplugin-installer xenial
[06:39] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: ^^ Try ' sudo apt install flashplugin-installer ' .
[06:39] <BlitzerHound> Is that to play flash files locally?
[06:40] <BlitzerHound> Also, it didn't seem to do anything
[06:40] <BlitzerHound> 0 newly installed was part of the last bit it returned
[06:41] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: No, sorry did not read what you wrote .  I do not know of a flash stand alone .
[06:41] <BlitzerHound> crap.
[06:42] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: Just because I do not know of one, does not mean there are none . just I do not know .
[06:42] <BlitzerHound> Yeah. While I'm waiting for an answer here I'm still searching around to see if I can come up with it on my own.
[06:44] <BlitzerHound> How do I tell if my system is 32 or 64 bit?
[06:45] <EriC^^> BlitzerHound: "arch"
[06:45] <BlitzerHound> On terminal?
[06:45] <EriC^^> yup
[06:45] <BlitzerHound> It said i686
[06:46] <EriC^^> 32 bit
[06:47] <ansichart> uname -m
[06:47] <EriC^^> what's your problem?
[06:47] <Rajsun> BlitzerHound: dpkg --print-architecture
[06:47] <ansichart> uname -m will print "x86_64" if you're on a 64-bit machine
[06:48] <BlitzerHound> HA I got it
[06:48] <BlitzerHound> So I just used wine to run an exe program that adobe has on its downloads page.
[06:48] <BlitzerHound> In case anyone else wants to know how to do this in the future.
[06:49] <BlitzerHound> Anyway, thanks guys. Later.
[06:50] <peixoto> hello
[06:50] <peixoto> how are you?
[06:51] <ansichart> So did anyone try running that command I recommended?  "cat < /dev/tcp/towel.blinkenlights.nl/23"
[06:51] <ansichart> if you're board at work... I highly recommend that command
[06:53] <schultza> in a world of hacking, i don't recommend you type that command.
[06:53] <peixoto> tell me, is it okay to upgrade, by ourselves, the kernel, choosing the latest stable version (for example) of the kernel on kernel.org and downloading it from the ubuntu kernel ppa, or is it better to wait for the suggested updates from synaptic, etc?
[06:54] <ansichart> schultza, it's harmless I swear.. google search towel.blinkenlights.nl
[06:54] <ansichart> or just open a telnet connection to towel.blinkenlights.nl and watch
[06:54] <peixoto> show the video ansichart! x)
[06:54] <ansichart> It is an ASCII animation of Star Wars
[06:54] <schultza> better to wait unless you know what you are doing, peixoto. the reason is, ubuntu developers test the software and update it to make it work with their system before releasing it to us.
[06:55] <schultza> oh
[06:55] <ansichart> It uses the control characters to clear the screen, so it can print the characters frame by frame
[06:55] <ansichart> you heard of ASCII Art... this is an ASCII movie
[06:56] <ansichart> apparently this has been around for decades and is still up
[06:56] <peixoto> yeah, schultza, okay. i see. so it could not be totally adapted for the distrib, as it is just kernel kernel. okay. thank you. what version of the kernel do you have you, for example, and why? :)
[06:56] <RenegadeZed> hey, hot do i tell lubuntu to force install a graphic card with my chip id number?
[06:56] <RenegadeZed> how8
[06:56] <RenegadeZed> how*
[06:57] <schultza> the one that ships with ubuntu by latest ubuntu stable standards.
[07:00] <Ben64> RenegadeZed: can you be more specific
[07:02] <RenegadeZed> Ben64: how?
[07:02] <Ben64> what graphics card are you installing
[07:03] <RenegadeZed> it's an integrated graphic card
[07:03] <RenegadeZed> radeon xpress 200m
[07:03] <RenegadeZed> i have the chip id
[07:03] <RenegadeZed> 0x5955
[07:03] <Ben64> so whats the issue
[07:04] <RenegadeZed> when i boot up i have to open grub and add acpi=off in the edit .. if i don't do that i get a black screen and computer hangs
[07:04] <RenegadeZed> also my sound card does some weird fart noises
[07:05] <Ben64> ok well acpi=off isn't great
[07:05] <RenegadeZed> i know, but it's the only thing that made me boot up on the desktop
[07:06] <Ben64> what version of ubuntu
[07:06] <RenegadeZed> it's temporary
[07:06] <RenegadeZed> Lubuntu 17.04
[07:06] <Ben64> temporary?
[07:06] <RenegadeZed> yeah acpi=off, using it until i can find a better solution
[07:07] <peixoto> https://goo.gl/forms/Iwpc3vyCsUiVm0xn1 > survey for the kernel version :)
[07:07] <peixoto> (the full link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSftkj9F85wxvrkVAVmFUnxxJiaNG2SpuvSPWflkIT_8k4Ol4A/viewform?usp=sf_link)
[07:07] <Ben64> peixoto: please don't
[07:08] <peixoto> aight, too bad :)
[07:08] <Ben64> RenegadeZed: what do you mean by 'black screen and computer hangs'
[07:09] <RenegadeZed> i mean exactly that.. lol
[07:09] <Ben64> well alright then, good luck
[07:09] <RenegadeZed> it doesn't boot, i get a black screen, then the computer freeze
[07:11] <RenegadeZed> Ben64: i'm saying it how i see it, with limited knowledge.. if you need specific information, just ask. i'm not going to write an essay on how a black screen is black lol
[07:12] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: black screen with no strings displayed?
[07:12] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: where is the boot process blocked?
[07:13] <RenegadeZed> right, cristian_c: i get half a second of lubuntu logo, then boom, black screen. the del that shows hdd activity doesn't blink at all, and the power button is fading in and out of orange
[07:14] <RenegadeZed> looks like it's in sleep/hibernate mode .. but frozen. only way to do something is to hold the power button and make it reboot into grub with acpi=off just before the quiet splash line
[07:14] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: you've to disable quiet splash in order to display boot messages
[07:15] <RenegadeZed> ok, so just delete quiet splash from the edit in grub?
[07:15] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: delete them at runtime, I mean, pressing 'e' in grub and deleting the strings, then f10
[07:16] <RenegadeZed> yup, just done that
[07:16] <RenegadeZed> waiting for boot
[07:16] <RenegadeZed> well crash on boot.. lol
[07:16] <cristian_c> ?
[07:17] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: if you remove quiet splash, lubuntu logo is not displyed
[07:17] <RenegadeZed> hmm, removing quiet splash makes it boot without any problem tho
[07:17] <RenegadeZed> can the lubuntu logo make the laptop crash? lol
[07:17] <cristian_c> but you'll see boot messages in place of logo or black screen
[07:18] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: try again
[07:18] <cristian_c> make sure it makes the trick
[07:18] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: try removing quiet splsh without adding acpi=off
[07:19] <RenegadeZed> that's what i did
[07:19] <RenegadeZed> hmm weird
[07:19] <schultza> What is acpi?
[07:20] <RenegadeZed> well, just removing quiet splash makes me boot all the way to the desktop.. no need of acpi=off now lol
[07:20] <RenegadeZed> schultza: some power management thing
[07:21] <RenegadeZed> schultza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
[07:21] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: splash screen is an animation, it's possible it involves the gpu graphics
[07:21] <RenegadeZed> cristian_c: makes sense.. also, i think the graphics might not be installed correctly on the laptop..
[07:22] <cristian_c> :O
[07:22] <RenegadeZed> so i got the chip id, wanted to try to force lubuntu into installing graphic drivers with the chip id
[07:22] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: lshw -C video
[07:23] <RenegadeZed> cristian_c: would you happen to remember the shortcut for the lxterminal?
[07:23] <cristian_c> ctrl+alt+t
[07:23] <RenegadeZed> tyvm
[07:26] <RenegadeZed> cristian_c: product RC410m (mobility radeon xpress 200m)
[07:26] <RenegadeZed> looks good to me
[07:27] <RenegadeZed> proprietary driver i think.. is the open source driver better in this case?
[07:27] <RenegadeZed> i remember playing CS:S on this laptop back in the days, when it was running windows xp
[07:35] <RenegadeZed> anyone available? how do i fix quiet splash from making my computer freeze?
[07:38] <elstellino> hello
[07:38] <elstellino> one sec RenegadeZed, remove quite splash and see where it gets stuck
[07:42] <RenegadeZed> elstellino: if i remove quiet splash, no more stuck
[07:42] <elstellino> https://askubuntu.com/questions/109944/highlight-the-first-entry-and-replace-quiet-splash-with-nomodeset-how-do-i-d#109953
[07:43] <RenegadeZed> nomodeset doesn't work, it was one of the first thing i tried a couple days ago. and recovery menu is now built with nomodeset in mind with 17.04 form what i heard
[07:43] <elstellino> RenegadeZed: if you remove quite splash, still getting stuck but it will prompt you what the computer is doing, so you will see where it gets stuck
[07:44] <RenegadeZed> then i found out that acpi=off works.. but not a good solution.. then we found out just removing quiet splash works too, don't even need acpi=off
[07:44] <elstellino> or do like this RenegadeZed: https://askubuntu.com/questions/477821/how-can-i-permanently-remove-the-boot-option-quiet-splash
[07:44] <RenegadeZed> elstellino: no, i removed quiet splash, and it doesn't get stuck anymore
[07:44] <elstellino> ah
[07:44] <RenegadeZed> elstellino: thanks ill look into this
[07:45] <schultza> nomodeset is not starting a gui
[07:45] <elstellino> so it’s quiet splash really, very odd, never heard, sorry
[07:45] <schultza> how do i get an intel wireless connected to download and install a lighter desktop?
[07:45] <cristian_c> nomodeset disables the gpu driver
[07:45] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: pastebin the result 0f lshw -C video
[07:46] <schultza> let me rephrase... NO NETWORK!
[07:46] <laceylaney> HI guys ^^
[07:46] <cristian_c> schultza: is the wifi chip well detected by ubuntu=
[07:46] <cristian_c> ?
[07:46] <cristian_c> and, what ubuntu?
[07:46] <schultza> hang on
[07:47] <schultza> 16.4
[07:47] <cristian_c> schultza: lshw -C network
[07:48] <schultza> hang on
[07:49] <cristian_c> schultza: it doesn't prevent you from copying the result of the command
[07:49] <schultza> apprently closing the lid preventing it from coming back up
[07:49] <schultza> had to reboot
[07:51] <schultza> wireless intel 3165 , realtek 8111
[07:51] <renegadezed_> cristian_c, https://pastebin.com/xD1uXsRJ
[07:51] <cristian_c> !paste | schultza
[07:52] <schultza> cristian_c, no internet... cant copy paste
[07:52] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: open source drivers, there are no proprietary drivers for that gpu
[07:53] <RenegadeZed> thanks cristian
[07:53] <cristian_c> schultza: use the trick (usb copy-paste) ;)
[07:53] <RenegadeZed> so is the solution to just delete quiet splash from the boot sequence
[07:53] <RenegadeZed> or screenshot with cellphone and use imgur to paste the link
[07:54] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: I don0t know why splash doesn't support your gpu anymore
[07:54] <schultza> gui came up.. hang on
[07:54] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: is the splash supported in live session of 17.04?
[07:55] <cristian_c> schultza: which cases the system crashes?
[07:55] <RenegadeZed> i don't know, i'm brand new to lubuntu
[07:55] <cristian_c> *does the system crashes
[07:55] <RenegadeZed> been a week
[07:55] <icey> If I wanted to contribute a new 2FA to Ubuntu Login (login.launchpad.net) where would I go about finding that code?
[07:55] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: how have you installed lubuntu 17.04?
[07:56] <RenegadeZed> rufus, mounted the iso on a sandisk 16gb usb key
[07:56] <cristian_c> and....
[07:57] <schultza> what dev does and an ssd map to?
[07:57] <cristian_c> sata?
[07:57] <cristian_c> schultza: can ypu use an ethernet connection temporarily?
[07:58] <schultza> im on the network
[07:58] <schultza> trying to restore an ssd or sda1
[07:58] <schultza> or both
[07:59] <cristian_c> O.o
[07:59] <RenegadeZed> when i booted from live usb, everything worked perfectly, that's why i installed
[07:59] <schultza> ok.. sda1 is reserved ms... so im definately misisng an ssd
[07:59] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: does the live session show the splash screen?
[08:00] <RenegadeZed> yep, Lubuntu in cian-ish with dots running under it
[08:00] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: cyanish splash seems the fallback version of splash
[08:00] <RenegadeZed> oh
[08:00] <cristian_c> it shows also in vm
[08:01] <RenegadeZed> hmm, anything i need to update?
[08:02] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: immediately after you installed lubuntu, do you see the splash? Or dpes the issue appears after system updates?
[08:03] <RenegadeZed> yeah splash shows up, looks like the screen is changing resolution (weird flicker) then black screen and freeze
[08:03] <RenegadeZed> it does show up for a fraction of a second if i just boot up with normal parameters, without touching anything in grub
[08:04] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: do you mean the first boot after you've installed the system?
[08:05] <RenegadeZed> cristian_c: first boot looked the same as any other boots, might have taken slightly longer to crash tho, couple seconds max
[08:06] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: so, did the splash work only in live session? Has it never worked in the installed os?
[08:07] <schultza> just entered an external drive.. why can i not write to it?
[08:07] <RenegadeZed> the full animation of the splash only works in live or when i add acpi=off, other than that, i never see the full animation, just a couple fraction of a second i see the splash on "normal" boot/crash
[08:08] <cristian_c> schultza: I don't know if your issue is related to either wifi or storage
[08:08] <schultza> nvm
[08:08] <schultza> had to make a folder in command prompt
[08:08] <schultza> initially gpu, then network, then storage.. i was originally doing this to backup data from an ssd if i could.. and a regular hard drive.. no ssd is showing
[08:09] <schultza> not even in bios/uefi
[08:10] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: sudo apt-get update
[08:11] <cristian_c> schultza: is ubuntu 16.04 installed on your machine?
[08:11] <schultza> no
[08:12] <schultza> had windows on the missing ssd
[08:12] <cristian_c> schultza: so, are you in a live session?
[08:13] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: have you tried to load a previous kernel between those installed?
[08:14] <RenegadeZed> not sure what a kernel is to be honest
[08:14] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: look at grub
[08:15] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: and then advanced options
[08:15] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: but first
[08:15] <cristian_c> RenegadeZed: sudo apt-get update
[08:15] <RenegadeZed> i did sudo apt-get update
[08:15] <RenegadeZed> do i need to reboot?
[08:16] <cristian_c> !paste | RenegadeZed
[08:19] <RenegadeZed> i'll be back tomorrow, just saw it's 4am.
[08:19] <RenegadeZed> gotta work in less than 12 hours
[08:19] <schultza> cristian_c, yes.
[08:19] <RenegadeZed> see you around!
[08:20]  * cristian_c ask himself why schultza uses linux
[08:20] <cristian_c> *asks
[08:21] <aldaek> I use linux because windows is broken. :)
[08:21]  * aldaek is the same as schultza.
[08:22] <cristian_c> aldaek: install a not broken copy of windows (reinstall)
[08:22] <cristian_c> :)
[08:22] <aldaek> cristian_c, cant... missing ssd.
[08:22] <ikonia> aldaek: not sure you wanted to achieve with joining the channel and that random statement
[08:22] <aldaek> in fact, if the ssd was responding like it should, id be in windows playing my games.
[08:22] <aldaek> ikonia, im on the channel twice.
[08:23] <schultza> ikonia, yep yep
[08:23] <ikonia> ?
[08:23] <ikonia> ?
[08:23] <cristian_c> aldaek/schulza, is windows installed on the ssd?
[08:24] <aldaek> on the ssd, if it was responding, has windows installed on it.
[08:24] <aldaek> was trying to see if linux will help me fetch and save files from said ssd...
[08:24] <aldaek> im sad it still will not show up
[08:24] <cristian_c> so, you can't boot windows anymore and you0ve to make a backup of windows content using ubuntu in live session
[08:24] <aldaek> cristian_c, yes.
[08:25] <cristian_c> aldaek: I don't know if you've never used linux on that machine
[08:26] <aldaek> cristian_c, live dvd is the first time im using ubuntu on this machine.
[08:26] <cristian_c> cpu, ram, gpu, please?
[08:26] <cristian_c> *.
[08:27] <oerheks> cristian_c, you better find out what partitiontype that SSD is, windows(10) usually uses ExFat
[08:28] <oerheks> that would need exfat-fuse exfat-utils to make it work
[08:29] <cristian_c> oerheks: if it's exfat, you're right
[08:29] <cristian_c> I believe exfat-fuse is a dependency pf exfat-utils
[08:30] <aldaek> https://pastebin.com/xF4iqure
[08:31]  * cristian_c did not think exfat was so common in windows installation (he was left to ntfs/fat32)
[08:32] <amosbird> Hello, does ubuntu-mono font contain chinese character?
[08:32] <aldaek> lshw doesnt even show the ssd... probably not going to until uefi/bios shows it first.
[08:32] <aldaek> im very sad.
[08:32] <cristian_c> aldaek: btw, your nvidia driver is not loaded, same for the intel builtin gpu driver
[08:33] <aldaek> cristian_c, currently nomodeset, as standard boot will not load gui
[08:33] <cristian_c> aldaek: so, pci express and not sata?
[08:33] <aldaek> either/or... not showing up
[08:33] <cristian_c> aldaek: 16.04.2 iso?
[08:33] <aldaek> yes
[08:34] <cristian_c> aldaek: sudo fdisk -l
[08:34] <cristian_c> aldaek: and: sudo parted -l
[08:35] <aldaek> um... what is all this /dev/ram## ?
[08:35] <cristian_c> is sqashfs (or zram)
[08:35] <cristian_c> filsystem used in live session
[08:36] <Ben64> uh, no
[08:36] <Ben64> it's ram
[08:37] <cristian_c> !oaste | aldaek
[08:37] <cristian_c> !paste | aldaek
[08:37] <aldaek> https://pastebin.com/f2H5CXML only shows the data drive from windows.
[08:37] <aldaek> minus all the ram and loop and cd.. and external storage that im currently using to backup data from the data drive.
[08:38] <cristian_c> sudo parted -l also
[08:39] <oerheks> Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. fix that
[08:39] <aldaek> https://pastebin.com/sCJ5Pq8k again only shows the cdroms im using, external data backup drive, and the data drive itself.
[08:40] <cristian_c> strange, there is not any efi partition on you 1 TB ssd
[08:40] <cristian_c> *your
[08:41] <aldaek> there is no SSD showing... what is showing is a regular hard drive.
[08:41] <cristian_c> but only a reserved one and the windows ntfs
[08:41] <cristian_c> ok
[08:41] <aldaek> and secure boot is disabled.. i even tried enabling it.. no change....
[08:41] <cristian_c> but 1 TB disk has a gpt table
[08:42] <cristian_c> so, it seems a boot disk
[08:42] <cristian_c> ahm ok, western digital, you're right
[08:43] <cristian_c> aldaek: so, there are connected: the live dvd, a western digital 1 TB disk and a seagate 2 TB disk on your laptop?
[08:44] <cristian_c> + ssd
[08:44] <aldaek> yes. there is another non-working cdrom internaly to the laptop and should be another drive of ssd type 256-500 GB in size also internal to the laptop. not showing in uefi/bios screens either.
[08:45] <aldaek> i looked up the drive, it doesnt show anyting about an ssd or other storage attached to the disk drive.
[08:46] <oerheks> i think you cannot fix GPT with ubuntu, use your windows dvd
[08:46] <oerheks> elseor bring that machine back to your reseller
[08:46] <aldaek> cristian_c, should have a .... One M.2 2280 SSD, SATA interface or PCIe Gen3 x4 interface
[08:47] <aldaek> oerheks, going to.. just backing up data. what data i can.. i lost a lot of data.
[08:47] <cristian_c> it seems as if seagate it's external and wester digital is internal (both sata hdd)
[08:48] <aldaek> seagate is external backup storage.... wd is internal data drive.
[08:48] <cristian_c> yeah
[08:48] <cristian_c> you don't see only internal m.2 2280 sd
[08:49] <cristian_c> *ssd
[08:49] <aldaek> there should be an ssd... holding all my OS files and is not responding.... should've waited until windows shut down properly.... *sniff sniff*
[08:50] <cristian_c> aldaek: it seems as if the ssd volume is hibernated, so it can't be mounted in ubuntu, maybe
[08:50] <k_sze[work]> Just me or everybody is getting Hash Sum Mismatch for trusty-updates/universe/source/Sources?
[08:50] <gummipunkt> #fedora is the best OS
[08:50] <ChristW> For a problem with a freezing system, I manually installed the 4.12.0-041200rc3-generic kernel. Now I can't get rid of the menu item in Grub, and I can't find how to purge this kernel version. Any ideas? dpkg -l doesn't seem to list it, and dpkg -r can't uninstall from the debs I re-downloaded.
[08:51] <aldaek> cristian_c, it was blue-screening and saving files to the ssd when i hard shutdown it as it was required that i needed to go right then.
[08:52] <aldaek> cristian_c, ie: power button for 5 secs.
[08:52] <cristian_c> aldaek: you could ask in ##windows resources about using a restore method without deleting your personal files
[08:52] <cristian_c> if fast boot is activated in windows, you can't do anything in ubuntu, I think
[08:53] <aldaek> if i can get ssd to respond, ill just reinstall windows.. sheesh.
[08:54] <aldaek> but im sad, there is two videos of my just over a year passed away dad.
[08:54] <cristian_c> ChristW: how have you deleted the kernel?
[08:54] <ChristW> I haven't yet.
[08:54] <ChristW> cristian_c: ^
[08:55] <cristian_c> aldaek: you could use a windows PE live media, but it's not matter of this channel, sorry
[08:56] <cristian_c> you should look for in windows resources
[08:56] <schultza> ssd not even responding to uefi/bios though
[08:56] <schultza> it's dead, jim
[08:57] <cristian_c> ChristW: I don't mean in grub, I mean in the system
[08:57] <ChristW> cristian_c: I haven't yet, I don't know how to (in the system).
[08:57] <ChristW> dpkg doesn't seem to list it.
[08:58] <j0h2n> Hello good people! I have been tinkering with DD-WRT on my Linksys router, doing a usb hdd as Samba, minidlna, irc bouncer etc. It has been too much tinkering, so I was looking at a Nvidia Shield -> TV instead, but realized I have a sweet pc in my basement collecting dust. Would Ubuntu be a good alternative for doing a desktop pc, hdmi -> tv, doing irc bouncer, samba server, media player, web server for fun, ipcam, etc
[08:58] <j0h2n> etc?
[08:58] <cristian_c> ChristW: uninstallig the -headers and -image related packages by a package manager
[08:59] <cristian_c> ChristW: maybe, you've made a bad search with dpkg
[08:59] <cristian_c> try to make a sesrch by gui
[09:00] <cristian_c> ChristW: btw, does 4.12.0 boot?
[09:00] <ChristW> No.
[09:01] <cristian_c> I don't know how you0ve installed it
[09:01] <akik> ChristW: "dpkg -l *linux*" doesn't find it?
[09:03] <ChristW> cristian_c: Which gui? I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelMainlineBuilds
[09:04] <ChristW> akik: Interesting! no packages found matching linux-headers-4.12.0-041200rc3_4.12.0-041200rc3.201705282131_all.deb
[09:05] <akik> ChristW: i think you should use dpkg -l '*linux*'
[09:05] <ChristW> akik: cristian_c: That's the deb I installed to see if it fixed my problems (it didn't :-) ). How do I get rid of it?
[09:06] <akik> ChristW: so the shell doesn't try to expand
[09:06] <cristian_c> ChristW: dpkg -l | grep linux
[09:06] <ChristW> akik: Ah, ok... Did that, but it didn't return anything with ' | grep 4.12'
[09:07] <cristian_c> ChristW: and ir seems you've install linux-headers
[09:07] <cristian_c> without headers-generic and linux-image
[09:07] <ChristW> cristian_c: That doesn't list the 4.12 kernel. Also, I didn't copy the other 2 lines (spamming the channel and stuff...)
[09:08] <cristian_c> !paste | ChristW
[09:08] <akik> ChristW: if it's installed, you should see its files in /boot
[09:09] <ChristW> akik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24792205/
[09:11] <akik> ChristW: i'm baffled :) try dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.0-041200rc3-generic
[09:12] <ChristW> akik: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.0-041200rc3-generic
[09:12] <cristian_c>  vmlinuz-4.12.0-041200rc3-generic
[09:12] <cristian_c> and there is also config file
[09:12] <cristian_c> s, it's instslled (headers)
[09:13] <ChristW> Yup. How do I get rid of it :-)
[09:15] <cristian_c> ChristW: pastebin: dpkg -l | grep linux
[09:16] <ChristW> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24792252/
[09:16] <ChristW> (I'm baffled as well!)
[09:16] <ChristW> The linux-image-extra-4.10.0-21-generic was another one that didn't boot, so I got rid or that via apt.
[09:19] <cristian_c> btw, you've a kernel not completely uninstalled: rc linux-image-4.10.0-21-generic 4.10.0-21.23 amd64 Linux kernel image for version 4.10.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP rc linux-image-extra-4.10.0-21-generic 4.10.0-21.23 amd64 Linux kernel extra modules for version 4.10.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[09:20] <paulnoise> good morning all, i have an irritation/problem with volume control in ubuntu studio.  I was hoping someone could help with
[09:20] <cristian_c> ChristW: it can look strange, but you can try to reinstall the all_deb -headers package and then remove it completely by your package manager
[09:20] <cristian_c> in order to remove all the config and vmlinuz stuff
[09:21] <cristian_c> ChristW: btw, you've not installed all the needed 4.12 packages, so it's normal it doesn't boot
[09:22] <ChristW> cristian_c: Ouch! Didn't know I didn't install everything@
[09:23] <akik> ChristW: i think rc usually means you have used apt-get remove but not apt-get purge
[09:24] <ChristW> akik cristian_c I purged the 4.10.0-21 stuff and they are gone from the dpkg -l list now.
[09:25] <ChristW> cristian_c: I dpkg -i the _all.deb and then dpkg -l | grep linux showed the package. Then I ran sudo apt purge linux-headers-4.12.0-041200rc3. It removed it from the dpkg -l, but update-grub still finds the /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.0-041200rc3-generic image.
[09:26] <ChristW> Install the other .debs I have as well to see if that helps? And purge them afterwards, of course :-)
[09:26] <cristian_c> ChristW: if you want pick a kernel from mainline, you've to install all_deb -headers, and -headers-generic and linux-image-genrric for you architecture (not low-latency)
[09:26] <cristian_c> ChristW: it could be an idea
[09:26] <ChristW> cristian_c: I have these debs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24792310/
[09:28] <cristian_c> ChristW: yeah
[09:29] <ChristW> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24792354/
[09:29] <ChristW> I copuld try to boot with that kernel, of course...
[09:30] <cristian_c> ChristW: yeah
[09:30] <ChristW> Ok, let's see after the reboot :-) I hope USB keyboard keeps working in GRUB, I had a problem with that a few days ago...
[09:31] <ChristW> See you later (I hope!) and thanks for the help do far!
[09:34] <paulnoise> i have uploaded the problem via screenshots here http://imgur.com/gallery/ySmOZ
[09:34] <paulnoise> the white and blue panel sits over the volume slider stopping me adjusting volume, any ideas?
[09:34] <paulnoise> i have to then click the panel away. it appears on the screen as soon as i adjust the volume
[09:39] <paulnoise> any help would be appreciated
[09:41] <cristian_c> paulnoise: it's a notification
[09:42] <paulnoise> is there a way to stop it happening for volume as it means i cannot adjust the volume
[09:43] <cristian_c> paulnoise: if clicking the notification in order to push it away it's annoying for you, I don't know if there is a simple method for configuring the notification position
[09:43] <cristian_c> I remember there it was
[09:43] <cristian_c> xfce in ubuntu studio?
[09:43] <paulnoise> i think so
[09:44] <cristian_c> (btw, notofications disappear after some seconds)
[09:44] <paulnoise> the notification sits over the volume control making it useless
[09:44] <paulnoise> this notification needs to be clicked before it disappears
[09:44] <cristian_c> xfce4-notify
[09:44] <cristian_c> !info xfce4-notify
[09:44] <cristian_c> maybe it has another name
[09:45] <ChristW> cristian_c: Whew, made it back, on another computer…
[09:46] <ChristW> I selected the -rc3 kernel in GRBU, it greets me wit “Loading Linux 4.12.0-041200rc3-generic” “Loading initial ramdisk”. And that’s it for over 5 minutes.
[09:46] <paulnoise> i just checked it goes away after 20 seconds, meaning i can adjust the volume in small incraments every 20 seconds
[09:47] <akik> paulnoise: maybe this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/816237/ubuntu-is-showing-multiple-notification-when-volume-is-changed
[09:48] <ChristW> cristian_c: Don’t I need the ‘-extra’ package for 4.12.0-rc3 to work?
[09:48] <paulnoise> awesome, i'll have a look thanks, i spent ages googling but couldnt think of what to search on as i'm fairly i have to then click the panel away. it appears on the screen as soon as i adjust the volumenew to linux and its early, all i could think of is panel and searches did not help
[09:49] <akik> paulnoise: i used "remove xfce4 notification volume"
[09:49] <akik> this could be the reason "This is happening because of inclusion of Unity related indicator in Xfce."
[09:49] <akik> desktop environments should not bleed their configs into each other
[09:50] <paulnoise> killall xfce4-volumed worked, thanks :)
[09:50] <cristian_c> ChristW: you can try to install it
[09:50] <ChristW> cristian_c: There is no such thing as an ‘-extra’ package, sorry for the noise...
[09:50] <ChristW> I’ll just apt purge the 4.12.0-rc3 stuff and see if grub picks it up corectly.
[09:51] <akik> paulnoise: there's more to it: "To disable xfce4-volumed permanently open Session and Startup from settings manager.
[09:51] <paulnoise> just doing that now :D
[09:52] <cristian_c> ChristW: it's a release candidate, do not surprise if it doesn't boot
[09:52] <ChristW> cristian_c: Whew, back to a booting system now!
[09:52] <paulnoise> cheers akik
[09:56] <paulnoise> just re-booted and it works great, many thanks guys
[10:11] <ChristW> cristian_c: Thanks, back to ‘normality’ now. Restoring files and back in action!
[10:49] <brez0> hi all
[10:50] <brez0> I just ran some ssh checks on my box and noticed that speech-dispatcher is setup as an ssh acount, and I don't remember setting it up... Any suggestions? Have I been compromised?
[10:50] <brez0> or am I paranoid?
[10:50] <brez0> I have never even heard of speech-dispatcher
[10:52] <\9> brez0: there's no such thing as a 'ssh account', just accounts on your system. speech-dispatcher appears to be a sound utility thing on the system
[10:52] <\9> brez0: speech-dispatcher is a system account
[10:52] <\9> you can try your self: sudo su - speech-dispatcher, it does nothing
[10:53] <\9> brez0: these kinds of accounts exist so that system processes don't have to run as root and potentially screw up your system if bugs happen
[10:53] <\9> so no. you have not been compromised.
[10:53] <brez0> Right
[10:53] <brez0> Thanks ;)
[10:53] <\9> np
[10:54] <brez0> But would a system account such as speech-dispatcher be able to login? Is it a user/pass combo?
[10:54] <brez0> no other system accounts showed up when I did a scan
[10:55] <\9> hmm, how did you scan it?
[10:56] <\9> what does `getent passwd speech-dispatcher` say? the last entry (the shell used) should be /bin/false
[10:56] <tomreyn> it would be able to login if it had an ssh (public) authentication key and ssh key based authentication was enabled or if it had a password and password authentication was enabled.
[10:56] <brez0> How would I be able to find out if it has a pwd set? It def doesn't have a key as I would have had to set that myself, no?
[10:56] <brez0> Is there a default password for that?
[10:56] <tomreyn> (or if you had another sshd authentication mechanisms enabled which grats it access)
[10:57] <tomreyn> getent shadow speech-dispatcher
[10:57] <brez0> Someone recommended I upgrade my openssh version as the version I'm currently on is vulnerable to a ssh enumeration scan, so I did the scan and it all came back negative on standard system accounts except for speech-dispatcher, which is just the weirdest thing
[10:57] <tomreyn> if it has a password set its password hash will be printed there
[10:58] <brez0> Thanks tomreyn
[10:58] <tomreyn> you still did not tell us how you scanned
[10:58] <brez0> it's a standard auxiliary metasploit module for ssh enumeration
[10:59] <tomreyn> chances are the scanner is not aware of patches backported to ubuntu packages.
[10:59] <brez0> and I apparently need to upgrade my openssh as version 7.2 is vuln to enumeration, as I just confirmed
[10:59] <\9> !info openssh-server
[11:00] <brez0> yup, need to do a quick upgrade on that
[11:00] <\9> at least that's for 17.04
[11:00] <brez0> I'm on 14.04
[11:00] <\9> mm that's trusty, right?
[11:00] <brez0> yes
[11:00] <\9> !info openssh-server trusty
[11:00] <tomreyn> find out which CVE ID refers to this user enumeration issue
[11:01] <\9> i'd expect ubuntu to patch this vulnerability
[11:01] <tomreyn> then search for the CVE ID on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[11:01] <tomreyn> it will tell you which version fixes it for each of the supported releases
[11:01] <brez0> CVE-2016-6210
[11:01] <brez0> yup, already confirmed
[11:02] <\9> released (1:7.2p2-4ubuntu2.1)
[11:02] <brez0> Just checking if someone would've been able to login using the speech-dispatcher account
[11:02] <tomreyn> so that's already fgix3ed in 14.04. if you're still vulnerable you missed to install updates
[11:02] <brez0> yup, running updates now
[11:02] <tomreyn> *fixed
[11:02] <\9> it shouldn't be possible to login as speech-dispatcher or any other system user
[11:02] <brez0> I neglected the box for a while
[11:03] <tomreyn> use unattended upgrades if this is likely to happen again
[11:03] <brez0> yup
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:03] <tomreyn> but even then, entirely neglecting it is obviously very bad.
[11:03] <brez0> yeah i've just been busy with life
[11:03] <brez0> but unattended will save me
[11:04] <\9> tip: you can narrow the users ssh allows to login as by adding 'AllowUsers your_username' to sshd_config
[11:04] <tomreyn> consider having it reboot automatically for kernel upgrades, too
[11:17] <squig> so I am a bit new to systemd
[11:17] <squig> but I heard that to change a configuration file I should use an override in /etc/systemd
[12:08] <scottjl> depends on what you're trying to change.
[12:20] <vlt> Hello. On Ubuntu 16.04 there was a Thunderbird update to 52.1.1 recently. Now my users complain about very slow performance when loading attachments. (The IMAP server is connected via GBit LAN.) Any idea how to fix that?
[12:21] <scottjl> downgrade to previous version?
[12:23] <vlt> scottjl: Yes. What is the offial way to do this?
[12:48] <synthetiq> In case anyone has any ideas:   https://askubuntu.com/questions/922682/specify-smb-3-0-in-etc-fstab
[12:59] <OlofL> Anyone good at wifi/drivers ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/922657/why-doesnt-ubuntu-change-ssid-properly-intel-wireless-7265
[13:00] <Etothetaui> has anyone else running zesty encountered problems with shift keys after a recent update?
[13:01] <SimonNL> OlofL: there is a setting in NM to connect to a specific network have you tried un-setting that
[13:02] <Etothetaui> when i open xev to see if there is any output for my shift keys i noticed that they do work sometimes. sometimes it works how its supposed to, sometimes it doesn't work at all and sometimes it registers a keypress but not a keyrelease until i press it again. i noticed that the shift keys also do not work when i log in using gnome, and also when i use tty3 or tty4 just using terminal.
[13:02] <pakcjo> what's the difference between package xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core?
[13:03] <Etothetaui> i cant figure out how to make them work again
[13:04] <SimonNL> OlofL: it says automatically connect to this network when it's available.
[13:04] <SimonNL> OlofL: in network connections
[13:04] <cores> anyone with ubuntu 16 or later want to run a statically linked binary as a test?
[13:05] <cores> you need X11 too
[13:05] <cores> or an server at least
[13:05] <compdoc> sounds tempting, but no
[13:06] <cores> no problem
[13:06] <cores> i'll spin up a vm or something
[13:06] <Etothetaui> cores what does that mean?
[13:07] <cores> Etothetaui, i send you binary, you chmod it, run it and tell me what happens
[13:07] <Etothetaui> if you can help me fix my shift keys ill test anything you want
[13:07] <cores> what's wrong with your shift keys?
[13:08] <cores> oh i see
[13:08] <Etothetaui> they randomly stopped working
[13:08] <Etothetaui> but sometimes they work
[13:08] <Etothetaui> and i cant figure out what is making them work or not work randomly
[13:08] <OlofL> SimonNL: I dont think you understand the question. I need it to be able to switch ssid back and forwards at any given time.
[13:09] <Etothetaui> and i would prefer if they worked all the time
[13:10] <SimonNL> oops was I typing in ubuntu channel /o\
[13:10] <cores> so you're running xev, pressing the shift keys and the xev app is only recording *some* presses?
[13:10] <cores> is that right?
[13:10] <Etothetaui> yeah
[13:10] <Etothetaui> and sometimes it just registers press but not release
[13:11] <cores> maybe something is gobbling the input
[13:11] <cores> and it's ONLY the shift keys?
[13:11] <Etothetaui> yup
[13:11] <Etothetaui> just shift keys
[13:11] <SimonNL> OlofL: yes but if making new connection doesn't succeed I think it will pick the automatic one
[13:11] <cores> i wonder if theres something lower level than xev that can siff out whats happening
[13:11] <cores> like some xinput driver hooks or something
[13:12] <Etothetaui> well i was just using xev to troubleshoot
[13:12] <cores> i know
[13:12] <cores> xev is handy
[13:12] <Etothetaui> its messing with my keyboard shortcuts and stuff too
[13:12] <SimonNL> OlofL: if you can find that setting in network connections just disable it and see what happens
[13:12] <Etothetaui> i had to use copy and paste to type a question mark
[13:12] <cores> did you upgrade X?
[13:13] <Etothetaui> i did 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[13:13] <Etothetaui> does that upgrade x
[13:13] <cores> do you mind if "i put i had to use copy and paste to type a question mark" in my unix-haters quotes book?
[13:13] <cores> you will get credit of course
[13:14] <Etothetaui> yeah course lol
[13:14] <Etothetaui> do i have to do something different from apt-get upgrade to upgrade x?
[13:16] <Etothetaui> sorry if that's a dumb question, i am still relatively a noob
[13:19] <tomreyn> Etothetaui: (on a system with a default / sane configuration) "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" will install security patches and bug fixes. it will not install upgrades.
[13:20] <Etothetaui> oh
[13:20] <Etothetaui> what about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:20] <tomreyn> !newest | Etothetaui
[13:22] <tomreyn> generally, if you really need a newer version of a package (ask yourself for the specific reasons you need them) then you should either upgrade ubuntu (but not from LTS to non-LTS just for this reason) or look for backports.
[13:23] <Etothetaui> i was asking that because cores asked me if i have upgraded x
[13:23] <OlofL> SimonNL: Im on loads of different wifis every day. That is not a solution.
[13:23] <Etothetaui> i just trying to fix my shift keys
[13:23] <Etothetaui> i'm
[13:24] <SimonNL> OlofL: if you click on NM icon on panel is there a list shown with connection options ?
[13:25] <SimonNL> OlofL: I'm not sure how it looks for you I'm not using real ubuntu
[13:25] <compdoc> fake ubuntu? thats sounds new
[13:26] <SimonNL> don't know how to properly say it.
[13:26] <SimonNL> mint
[13:26] <OlofL> mint with gnome?
[13:26] <SimonNL> could be
[13:27] <SimonNL> 17.3  14.04
[13:27] <OlofL> damn this NM sucks in gnome
[13:27]  * BluesKaj waits for the bot
[13:27] <Etothetaui> this is so frustrating, nothing i try fixes my problem
[13:28] <Etothetaui> my computer was working so nicely before
[13:30] <cwarner> I have a bug to report I just want to see if anyone else can verify.. this is 14.04 but I suspect it affects other versions basically limits.conf is being ignored as configured for limits in a current session because the module isn't loaded by default as being optional or required. It's set for login by default but it should also really be turned on for the session
[13:31] <cores> can you renice a process before it starts running?
[13:31] <cwarner> cores, no
[13:32] <cores> cwarner, how do i run a process with a lower priority from the moment of execution?
[13:32] <cwarner> cores, you should be able to nice a process when you start it
[13:32] <cores> oh, duh
[13:32] <cwarner> cores, so you'd just nice -n priority command
[13:32] <cores> that makes sense
[13:32] <luis30> Etothetaui, if you use terminal to update you need to use all three commands...or just use gui..its so much easier..:P
[13:33] <Etothetaui> ok, thanks
[13:33] <luis30> dunno why ubuntu requires three terminal commands for full upgrade but they do ..but you have the gui option
[13:33] <Etothetaui> any ideas for why my shift keys aren't working
[13:33] <Etothetaui> because that my real probelm
[13:34] <luis30> Etothetaui, oh you have zesty sigh so do I ...I feel your pain lol
[13:34] <Etothetaui> luis are you having the same shift problems
[13:34] <Etothetaui> ?
[13:34] <oerheks> how does one type ? without shiftkey ..
[13:34] <oerheks> lolz
[13:34] <leftyfb> Etothetaui: try booting a live cd/usb and see if the problem persists
[13:34] <luis30> Etothetaui, have you look for a similar bug report on launchpad
[13:35] <Ichimusai> Etothetaui: Is the shift key not workin in console or graphical mode?
[13:35] <Etothetaui> leftyfb thats a good idea, i'll try that when i get home
[13:35] <max3> is there a way to find out what time a file was written to disk instead of what time it was created
[13:35] <leftyfb> Etothetaui: I would also recommend trying a different live cd distro to see if it's an ubuntu problem at all
[13:35] <Etothetaui> Ichimusai, i have the same problem regardless of if im using i3wm or gnome, and also when i use tty3 and tty4
[13:35] <cores> max3, there should be a modified time, no?
[13:36] <Etothetaui> i think i have a fedora usb somewhere i can try
[13:36] <cores> max3, try stat
[13:36] <Ichimusai> Etothetaui: So it's a bit of a deeper issue. Is it a laptop?
[13:36] <Etothetaui> Ichimusai, yeah a laptop
[13:36] <Ichimusai> Etothetaui: Which model?
[13:36] <max3> cores, access, modify, change. what's the difference between modify and change?
[13:37] <Etothetaui> Ichimusai, http://i.imgur.com/LoTcul9.png
[13:37] <luis30> Etothetaui, look at this and see if this is your problem... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1683383
[13:38] <SimonNL> Etothetaui: check if something is stuck under the key.
[13:38] <Etothetaui> SimonNL, i am having the problem with both shift keys
[13:38] <SimonNL> Etothetaui: check both
[13:38] <Ichimusai> Etothetaui: Usual suspects are also sticky-key options an do a dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration if not already done so
[13:38] <SimonNL> it's just a few seconds
[13:41] <Etothetaui> luis30, it doesnt sound like that bug. shift acts weird by itself
[13:41] <Etothetaui> in xev
[13:41] <luis30> i c
[13:41] <luis30> interesting
[13:41] <Etothetaui> Ichimusai, i tried dpkg-reconfigure that didn't do anything
[13:41] <luis30> there do seems to be various people complaining about keyboard combinations..
[13:42] <cores> max3: without looking at any documentation, i believe access is the last time the file was opened, modify is the last time the file's content was changed and change is the last time the files metadata was changed
[13:43] <cores> i could be wrong about the modify and change though, i swap those sometimes
[13:43] <max3> what's more interesting is that birth is -
[13:45] <cores> maybe you have a different stat than i do
[13:45] <cores> i have no idea what birth is
[13:45] <cores> my stat man page is surprisingly unhelpful when it comes to defining what the differences between "change" and "modify" is
[13:47] <cores> the touch(1) man page isn't great either.
[13:50] <Etothetaui> Ichimusai, after i did dpkg-reconfigre it didn't fix my shift keys but it did make my comptuer switch between virtual consoles with super and arrow keys
[13:50] <Etothetaui> and alt and arrow keys
[13:50] <Etothetaui> how do i disable that
[13:53] <Etothetaui> omg that's annoying
[13:54] <Etothetaui> now i have two problems
[14:13] <annihilator> which is prefered synaptics or ubuntu software for a gui software installer?
[14:15] <guardianx> they're both good
[14:16] <annihilator> i was asking as i can install items with synaptics that i cannot find with ubuntu software
[14:18] <BluesKaj> the new packahe management guis cater to a trendy look rather thana practical view for package mangement IMO, muon discover in kde/plasma is waful
[14:18] <BluesKaj> awful even :-)
[14:19] <nacc> annihilator: 'ubuntu software center' or 'ubuntu software' (which i believe is actually gnome software)? which version of ubuntu
[14:19] <annihilator> one reason i like synaptic is its clean and loads right. hasnt changed much since i used ubuntu y10
[14:20] <annihilator> i am using ubuntu with unity in 17.04
[14:20] <BluesKaj> annihilator,  yup good old stanbys FTW
[14:20] <nacc> annihilator: ok, so when you are running the GUI thing, check if `ps aux | grep gnome` indicates it's gnome-software running or not
[14:21] <nacc> annihilator: if, instead, you're using ubuntu software centre, its a known deprecated project (it's not even in zesty anymore, but if you were on an older version and never removed it, it might still be there)
[14:21] <annihilator> its a fresh install ubuntu 17.04
[14:21] <annihilator> and it installed Ubuntu Software
[14:23] <nacc> annihilator: ok, that's probably actually gnome software then
[14:24] <annihilator> either way it does not show all software rep nor all software addons (e.g retroarch)
[14:40] <annihilator> how can i map a network drive to appear like a local drive?
[14:41] <annihilator> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288534 i found this guide
[14:41] <annihilator>  and want to make sure its still relevant
[14:42] <annihilator> just a fyi its a hdd hooked up to my router running samba
[14:44] <hashwagon> Okay I have a strange issue. I setup an automated preseed install for ubuntu server 16.04 and it boots with a black screen and I have to hit Alt+Left/Right Arrow to get to the login screen. Google searches are suggesting encryption, but I don't have any drive encryption on  with my preceed. Any thoughts?
[14:46] <hashwagon> No luks encryption or LVM
[14:50] <_KaszpiR_> hashwagon https://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it sounds like video issues, nomodeset, noacpi, noapic, nosplash?
[14:50] <annihilator> do i need cifs or samba to mount my router hdd
[14:51] <_KaszpiR_> annihilator probably samba-client will be enough
[14:53] <annihilator> _KaszpiR_, how do i add it to automount when i turn my computer on? im trying to get it to recognize as a regular hdd for when i run some of my programs
[14:54] <cmpscabral> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu-17.04-server-amd64. I get an error stating that initramfs-tools has unmet dependencies - can anyone help me?
[14:54] <_KaszpiR_> autofs, or maybe some other scripts in nautilus
[14:54] <_KaszpiR_> or other file manager
[14:55] <compdoc> cmpscabral, thats odd. are you booting from a cd/dvd?
[14:56] <cmpscabral> compdoc: no, usb stick; yes, I went through the "cdrom not mounted error" by mounting it manually
[14:56] <cmpscabral> is it related?
[14:56] <compdoc> how did you create teh usb stick?
[14:57] <cmpscabral> unetbootin, on osx
[14:57] <compdoc> eww
[14:57] <compdoc> horrible program
[14:57] <cmpscabral> :)
[14:58] <cmpscabral> also, prior to this error the installer is unable to detect and install the necessary network drivers - not sure if this is relevant
[15:05] <hashwagon> Thanks, _KaszpiR_. Turns out my preceed install was including GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" in my /etc/default/grub... my manual installations do not have quiet and splash.
[15:05] <hashwagon> Removing quiet and splash causes the system to boot normally.
[15:14] <ubone> is ubuntu using debian packages
[15:15] <Amethist> hi
[15:15] <boredguy> Anyone have any suggestions for setting up a compression proxy on a ubuntu server?
[15:15] <Amethist> why is ubuntu copy file so much slowler than windows
[15:17] <boredguy> Maybe its single threaded?
[15:19] <Amethist> boredguy:  how do i know that?
[15:19] <Pici> Amethist: why do you think its slower?
[15:20] <Amethist> it goes 700kb/s and when it says 1 second remaining it actually takes 5 min
[15:20] <Amethist> Pici:
[15:20] <nacc> ubone: ubuntu is based on debian, yes.
[15:21] <Amethist> i use nautilus btw
[15:22] <ubone> but do they use debian packages or build on their own? i see ubuntu syncs with debian every few months. how does it work?
[15:23] <ubone> try cp file location
[15:24] <Amethist> ubone:  ok  , thanks
[15:25] <boredguy> Are you trying to copy a single file or thousands?
[15:26] <Amethist> boredguy: dozens
[15:26] <nacc> ubone: both cases exist
[15:27] <\9> boredguy: multi-threaded copying wouldn't help if I/O is the bottleneck and it usually is
[15:28] <boredguy> Maybe a SSD would help
[15:28] <Amethist> boredguy:  the disk my OS is in is SSD
[15:30] <bozza> I thought ubuntu has abandoned IRC?
[15:31] <nacc> bozza: I don't know what that even means (ubuntu is a distribution). But no, ubuntu development and users still use IRC
[15:31] <bozza>  I mean #ubuntu chan on irc
[15:31] <bozza> nacc: I read that some popular distro went with slack over irc
[15:31] <tgm4883> bozza: still not sure what that is supposed to mean, also OT for this channel
[15:31] <bozza> tgm4883:  I read that some popular distro went with slack over irc
[15:32] <tgm4883> bozza: "some popular"
[15:32] <nacc> bozza: your statement now reads (to me): "i thought the ubuntu irc channel abandoned irc" :)
[15:32] <bozza> tgm4883: it was a news article I read a while ago.. can't remember which distro they wrote about.. I thought it may have been ubuntu
[15:32] <\9> boredguy: i'm reading on the subject and it doesn't seem it helps with SSDs either
[15:32] <bozza> but I kinda feel like they are/were misinformed
[15:33] <tgm4883> bozza: let me save you some time. Read the topic. Seems like if it still says this is the official irc channel and not a link to slack that you may be misinformed
[15:33] <\9> boredguy: with hard drives the head of course becomes the bottleneck, but the kernel also caches things. so multithreading doesn't really help much
[15:33] <bozza> tgm4883: I am citing some web news article ...
[15:34] <nacc> bozza: you are not "citing" anything
[15:34] <tgm4883> bozza: no you aren't
[15:34] <nacc> bozza: you are saying you read something somewhere sometime
[15:34] <tgm4883> nacc: +1
[15:34] <Amethist> hmm
[15:34] <bozza> nacc: precisely
[15:34] <nacc> bozza: which isn't citing. please stop
[15:35] <tgm4883> bozza: that's not citing anything. Citing something would be providing a link. In any case, it's obviously wrong (or 1351 people that are here are wrong) and is off topic for this channel
[15:35] <Amethist> llol
[15:35] <bozza> tgm4883: exactly
[15:35] <bozza> a different word is more appropriate
[15:35] <tgm4883> troll?
[15:35] <Amethist> if i use nemo it would be faster_?
[15:36] <bozza> tgm4883: huh?
[15:36] <bozza> no!
[15:36] <tgm4883> bozza: sorry, I thought you wanted to know the word that was more appropriate
[15:37] <bozza> tgm4883: at the moment I am googling to see if some popular distro abandoned freenode for slack
[15:37] <bozza> but I highly suspect the article got something wrong
[15:37] <Southern_Gentlem> or your understanding
[15:38] <tgm4883> bozza: ok good. If you do find that it's ubuntu, please take it to #ubuntu-discuss as it's off topic for this channel. If it's not ubuntu and you still want to talk about it take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:38] <bozza> well I am here now tgm4883. Am I not? :)
[15:38] <tgm4883> bozza: you are in the support channel, and that is most definitely not a support question
[15:39] <Amethist> lol , i cant restart nautilus by "nautilus -q"
[15:39] <Amethist> on terminal
[15:39] <nacc> Amethist: nautilus -q 'quit' nautilus. it doesn't restart it
[15:39] <Amethist> hmm
[15:40] <Amethist> nvmind , i'll restart the OS
[15:40] <Amethist> brb
[15:42] <ubone> how outdated are packages on avarage?
[15:42] <nacc> ubone: depends on the package. in the current release, we try to match debian
[15:43] <\9> also depends on your definition of "outdated". ubuntu maintains packages with support patches
[15:43] <\9> which is how LTS releases work
[15:43] <nacc> \9: true
[15:44] <ubone> any update on 32bit support? iafai see there's still install images coming out
[15:44] <\9> 32bit support still exists yes
[15:44] <ubone> wasnt steam 32bit only?
[15:45] <\9> i don't know off hand. but, 64bit systems can run 32bit binaries, so even if steam was 32bit only it wouldn't really matter
[15:46] <akik> ubone: it was 18.04 that will drop the 32-bit installation images
[16:11] <annihilator> ok im having trouble mounting my router hdd as a local drive.
[16:14] <thewillo> what is the difference between generic kernel and hwe kernel in 16.04 repo?
[16:16] <DJones> !hwe | thewillo That should give you an idea,
[16:16] <cc_user> hello
[16:16] <thewillo> thanks DJones
[16:17] <DJones> thewillo: Hopefully it'll help, I generally use latest releases so doesn't affect me
[16:18] <thewillo> DJones, I was having trouble with the latest releases
[16:18] <Kman> In ubuntu, is there any tool to setting pointer speed of my Razer abyssus V2, it is still quick even stetted at the lowest value
[16:19] <thewillo> specifically 16.10 and 17.04 were not acting nicely with my bluetooth speakers
[16:20] <annihilator> its sad i can figure out how to mount an external hdd manually but not a router HDD.
[16:22] <tgm4883> annihilator: you're router has a HDD? Nice router
[16:22] <scottjl> turris omnia supports hd's and can act as a nas.
[16:23] <thewillo> mine has a 320gb ssd
[16:23] <scottjl> besides routing
[16:23] <thewillo> my router is some proprietary one that also provides tv service and acts as a multi-headed(supports 4 tvs) dvr aside from network router
[16:24] <tgm4883> scottjl: I wouldn't call an external hard drive a routers HDD
[16:24] <scottjl> that's not a router, that's the kitchen sink
[16:24] <nicomachus> thewillo: google fiber?
[16:24] <thewillo> nicomachus, no Bell Fibe
[16:24] <scottjl> tgm4883: the omnia's hd is internal, attached to a microsata card.
[16:25] <tgm4883> scottjl: fair enough, my comment was a bit in jest and I think we're talking about different things here
[16:26] <annihilator> external hdd router
[16:30] <annihilator> either way i need to mount it as a local drive and its driving me nuts.
[16:33] <rohan_flag0> How does the router connect? SMB?
[16:33] <annihilator> yes
[16:33] <annihilator> it has a samba server
[16:34] <rohan_flag0> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Mounting_samba_shares_from_a_unix_client have you tried this?
[16:36] <rohan_flag0> tgm4883: external hard drive connected using USB probably. I used to use one from d-link.
[16:38] <annihilator> no such address when i do that
[16:39] <rohan_flag0> OK. have you tried connecting it using a different device? Does that wor?
[16:39] <rohan_flag0> Work*?
[16:39] <SimonNL> annihilator: can you find the device using file manager
[16:39] <annihilator> yes it shows up as a network drive
[16:39] <annihilator> but no ip address
[16:40] <rohan_flag0> So it shows up in files but you can't connect it directly. Am I right on that?
[16:40] <SimonNL> should see that in some dhcp client list
[16:40] <annihilator> i can even mount it as a network drive but does not show up as a local drive in any of my programs
[16:41] <rohan_flag0> Try remounting it
[16:41] <annihilator> ?
[16:41] <SimonNL> annihilator: make sure it's mounted then have an other look
[16:41] <annihilator> i did
[16:41] <annihilator> but what folder does it mount to?
[16:41] <rohan_flag0> So it mounts as a device somewhere in /. Unmounted it from there and choose a different location
[16:42] <rohan_flag0> It should be there In files at the top.
[16:42] <SimonNL> smb:\\ something I presume.
[16:42] <annihilator> yes it shows smb:\\
[16:42] <SimonNL> or smb://
[16:42] <annihilator> well one
[16:42] <annihilator> but it does not mount local rohan_flag0
[16:42] <annihilator> but as a smb drive
[16:42] <annihilator> i need it to be able to access it like a / folder
[16:43] <SimonNL> not sure but I think it's not a local
[16:43] <annihilator> smb://ac68u/roms%20(at%20seagate_backup_plus_drive)/
[16:43] <annihilator> its not
[16:43] <annihilator> that is my problem
[16:43] <annihilator> i need to mount that as a local folder
[16:43] <tgm4883> So mount it from the command line to some folder...
[16:43] <annihilator> how?
[16:43] <karvas> hello, I did a bios reset - now I can not boot anymore and my harddrives seems to be formatted with gpt partition table - if I choose UEFI / secure boot in bios my harddrive is not detected - if I choose legacy it wont boot; And I tried the boot repair disk, but it cant help and just prints out that I need to switch to UEFI boot mode
[16:43] <rohan_flag0> mkdir /mnt/linky_share mount -t cifs -o user=luke //<IP_ADDRESS>/share /mnt/linky_share
[16:43] <annihilator> it wont let me mount using normal commands
[16:44] <annihilator> failed
[16:44] <rohan_flag0> From the samba wiki
[16:44] <annihilator> Retrying with upper case share name
[16:44] <annihilator> mount error(6): No such device or address
[16:44] <annihilator> rohan_flag0, please read thoruoghly
[16:44] <annihilator> i have been saying that guide has failed me
[16:45] <rohan_flag0> Oh. My bad. .
[16:45] <karvas> any help is highly appreciated, since I can not reinstall because I can't decrypt my ecrytfs-protected data somehow (I already tried this as well and asked about it here)
[16:46] <tgm4883> annihilator: i'd give it a better name without a bunch of special characters first. Second, I'd paste the entire output you get including the command you ran to a pastebin and post that link here
[16:46] <annihilator> tgm4883, cannot do the first part
[16:46] <rohan_flag0> karvas: disable secure boot and try.
[16:46] <annihilator> as it is router auto name
[16:46] <rohan_flag0> Is it a DLink router?
[16:46] <annihilator> asus
[16:47] <rohan_flag0> Can you paste the terminal output in Pastebin? That would be really helpful.
[16:47] <SimonNL> annihilator: what's the name/type number     of that device
[16:47] <annihilator> asus ac68u
[16:47] <annihilator> i already posed it
[16:47] <annihilator> the only other line is to refer to the manual
[16:48] <karvas> rohan_flag0: secure boot is disabled, but I can still choose between 'Custom' and 'Standard' Secure boot mode. If I choose Standard it says that all keys will be overwritten with the default keys
[16:52] <karvas> rohan_flag0: rohan_flag0: https://ibb.co/jSE9Av here' a picture of my settings - any idea what I could do?
[16:54] <karvas> If I try to boot it reads: "Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" (I tried a lot of different setting combinations already)
[16:54] <rohan_flag0> What's the other option in boot option filter?
[16:54] <karvas> the options are: 1) UEFI and Legacy, 2) Legacy only, 3) UEFI only
[16:55] <rohan_flag0> Have you tried 1?
[16:55] <karvas> yes, it
[16:55] <karvas> it's the same thing
[16:56] <rohan_flag0> Does your bios have drive selection option somewhere?
[16:56] <rohan_flag0> Keep it on 1 and change the default boot device to your hard drive. Select the partition to boot to /efi if it allows it.
[16:57] <karvas> rohan_flag0: I can select the hard drive, but there is no option to select efi
[16:58] <rohan_flag0> And is the drive first option?
[16:58] <karvas> yes, the first and only
[16:58] <rohan_flag0> Do you have a live CD or flash drive with Linux on it?
[16:58] <karvas> and I also tried to select it directly via the boot selection menu by pressing f10
[16:59] <karvas> yes, I have the boot repair disk on a usb drive
[17:00] <rohan_flag0> Is ubuntu installed in UEFi/GPT mode or BIOS/MBR?
[17:00] <Kman> how to set Razer Abyssus V2 sensitivity low?
[17:00] <Kman> Virtual core pointer                     id=2 [master pointer  (3)]
[17:00] <Kman> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer               id=4 [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:00] <Kman> ⎜   ↳ Razer Razer Abyssus V2                   id=10 [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:00] <Kman> ⎜   ↳ Razer Razer Abyssus V2                   id=11 [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:00] <Kman> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad               id=15 [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:00] <Kman> ⎜   ↳ TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                    id=17 [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:00] <Kman> ⎣ Virtual core keyboard                    id=3 [master keyboard (2)]
[17:01] <karvas> rohan_flag0: the disk has a gpt partition table, I'll show you a picture
[17:01] <nevermind> I've got a fleet of servers that need a do-release-upgrade done on them. In the past when I've done this, I get a few TUI menus that I need to go through manually. Are there any flags that can be set via the command line so that I can do-release-upgrade in a more automated fashion?
[17:02] <compdoc> nevermind, yeah, when some things are upgraded where youve modifed some conf file, it will stop to ask
[17:03] <karvas> rohan_flag0: http://ibb.co/jrTuAv
[17:03] <nevermind> compdoc: No way to pass in options to handle those cases?
[17:03] <compdoc> nevermind, dunno
[17:04] <karvas> rohan_flag0: the partitions seem all ok and are mountable
[17:04] <rohan_flag0> boot, efi flag for efi partition
[17:05] <karvas> I can not choose a efi flag
[17:05] <karvas> in gparted at least
[17:06] <karvas> do you mean /dev/sda1 needs both boot and efi ?
[17:06] <annihilator> ? for yall would it be simplier to mount it as a drive on my windows computer then mount that to linux? or just stream the program through steam and install it on my windows box?
[17:07] <rohan_flag0> One sec... Let me crossinspect with mine.
[17:07] <rohan_flag0> Yeah. AFAIK.
[17:10] <karvas> rohan_flag0: there is no efi flag to choose - I found this: https://superuser.com/a/764871 there it says that in gparted you should set the boot flag
[17:11] <rohan_flag0> Yeah. I just checked mine and it is true. .
[17:11] <rohan_flag0> My mistake.
[17:11] <rohan_flag0> Can you inspect the contents of efi? Does it have grub?
[17:12] <BluesKaj>  /uefi/boot
[17:13] <karvas> on sda1 there is a folder EFI/ubuntu which has the file 'grubx64.efi'
[17:13] <karvas> But I think my computer still boots in legacy mode (because I get a message saying this if I try to run boot repair disk - and if I choose UEFI only in bios the disk is not detected at all)
[17:15] <Kman> anybody using razer mouse with Ubuntu?
[17:15] <rohan_flag0> In the root directory create a 'Boot' folder and copy grub there. That's the default location where windows installation puts its loader and some UEFi defaults to check there.
[17:16] <karvas> Ok, I'll try this
[17:16] <hashwagon> Anyone here use preseed for unattended installs for Ubuntu servers?
[17:16] <compdoc> sounds like secure boot is involved. or uefi boot only. I have cds that can boot in either mode, and the bios can see disks that are either type
[17:17] <nacc> hashwagon: people certainly do, but you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[17:18] <hashwagon> Okay, I'll check that channel out too, thanks
[17:18] <BluesKaj> karvas,  does your uefi have t6he bios back flash option?
[17:20] <karvas> rohan_flag0: It did not work :(
[17:20] <karvas> BluesKaj: I can not find such an option
[17:20] <rohan_flag0> Does your live boot disk have disks?
[17:20] <rohan_flag0> The default gnome Disk manager
[17:22] <karvas> no it has not
[17:22] <karvas> maybe I can install it
[17:23] <karvas> btw here is what I see when I choose the secure boot menu of my harddrive: https://ibb.co/h8CbOF - but I can not change anything here
[17:24] <BluesKaj> karvas,  I doubt it unless your uefi/bios has it included with a firmware upgrade
[17:25] <rohan_flag0> If you can get it, backup your efi folder. In disks select you hard drive and select your efi drive. Go to edit partition and under type select efi system. Select system partition and select legacy bios bootable. http://ibb.co/hZM33F sorry for bad pic :(
[17:28] <karvas> rohan_flag0: Ok, thank you very much! I'm trying to get it but it'll take a while because I have trouble with the network card and drivers
[17:28] <rohan_flag0> No probs. Message me on personal if you need help.
[17:31] <karvas> thank you!
[17:34] <hovis> I just installed Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.2 and I'm having some trouble with my multimedia keys, and I'm not finding a lot of help with Google.  When I use `xdotool key XF86AudioPlay` (for example) a big verboten sign flashes but my media player doesn't play or pause.  Can I get some tips on how to search for this?
[17:34] <hovis> (I get identical behavior when I use the real media key, I just wanted to rule out a keybinding issue)
[17:37] <black_vegetable> Hey, I am temporarily wanting to disable apt unattended-upgrades. Would this be accomplished by deleting the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades ?
[17:37] <black_vegetable> Or would that cause the sky to burn and the moon to turn to blood?
[17:37] <black_vegetable> (Ubuntu 16.04)
[17:38] <karvas> I have another related question: If I choose to reinstall my system, what do I need to backup to be able to encrypt my home folder later? (ecryptfs, /home on different partition) or is it better (safer) to make a complete backup of my disk with dd ?
[17:39] <karvas> *decrypt
[17:39] <rohan_flag0> Do you have the keys?
[17:40] <karvas> no, I do just have my user login and passphrase
[17:40] <tomreyn> black_vegetable: you could do what you suggested, or set "APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";" in this file, or, maybe the easiest option, sudo apt remove unattended-upgrades
[17:40] <karvas> I tried to get the keys using a live cd but it didnt work
[17:41] <black_vegetable> Ok. Thank you tomreyn.
[17:42] <karvas> oh no - I do the key
[17:43] <tomreyn> karvas: how do you backup?
[17:43] <rohan_flag0> You need the mount passphrase to be able to remount the Disk.
[17:44] <rohan_flag0> It was a string displayed when you first setup encryption
[17:45] <karvas> yes, i think I found this string and I will try to decrypt it
[17:47] <karvas> tomreyn: i mean copying the files over to a save location like an external harddrive or network storage
[17:50] <rohan_flag0> Use `sudo ecryptfs-add-passphrase --fnek` and insert your passphrase. Leave everything else default
[17:50] <tomreyn> karvas: if you'll have your logged in user do it the source files won't be encrypted. if you'll have root or another administrative user do it you'll need to somehow store the encryption passphrase, too (or just rememberit).
[17:53] <karvas> I tried to use ecryptfs-recover-private, and it accepted my passphrase (''Success...') and mounted the folder somewhere - but all the files are still encrypted
[17:54] <rohan_flag0> Sudo mount -t ecryptfs /Dev/X /home/me
[17:54] <rohan_flag0> Try this
[17:54] <karvas> ok
[17:55] <rohan_flag0> Ofcourse the dev/x is your partition and last one is Destination
[17:55] <rohan_flag0> I'm not 100% sure about this command. But I guess this should be it.
[17:56] <rohan_flag0> Also i guess you need to mount the .Private directory
[17:57] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/93975/recovering-ecryptfs-partition-with-ecryptfs-recover-private-not-working
[17:59] <robodep> hi all
[18:00] <rohan_flag0> Use find / -iname '.Private' -type d 2>/dev/null
[18:00] <rohan_flag0> Ofcourse with sudo
[18:00] <robodep> I don't have fdisk or parted available to me in the ubuntu-installer.  how do you make this available to the installer?
[18:05] <Davelow> Hey, I ahve an issue with an old laptop, after installing ubuntu server, my wireless (which worked during install) doesn't work anymore
[18:05] <Davelow> Is there a way to install the drivers during the install, when the wifi actually works
[18:06] <karvas> rohan_flag0: it worked thank you very much - I'm now trying to recover my data
[18:07] <rohan_flag0> No probs.
[18:08] <rohan_flag0> Also i take it that we couldn't boot from the disk
[18:13] <Oderus> Hello. I've replaced the sddm icons for breeze-slider theme and when I boot up they do not appear. However, when i run sddm-greeter from terminal, they do appear. Any ideas?
[18:24] <karvas> rohan_flag0: Thank you very much again. My files are now copying to a safe and unencrypted location :) Yes, we couldnt boot from the disk but I'll try to install a fresh new system with legacy boot and MBR and I'm sure this will work. Thank you very much, you made my day!
[18:30] <disposable> i installed 16.04, choosing btrfs for /. it created a @home subvolume that i'm now trying to delete (unsuccessfully). what is the correct syntax? 'btrfs subvolume delete /home' returns - Delete subvolume (no-commit): '//home' ERROR: cannot delete '//home': Invalid argument. i've tried home, /home, /@home and @home. (the last two give me no such file or directory)
[18:41] <cp5i6x> sorry  to bother, can someone help me figure out how to set up an ip route so that I can ping the two network cards on the same machine?
[18:41] <cp5i6x> with a patch cable
[18:42] <scottjl> cp5i6x: do they have different ip addresses?
[18:42] <cp5i6x> yea that's set up properly, eth0 is <IP_ADDRESS> and eth1 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:42] <scottjl> so then just ping each address?
[18:43] <cp5i6x> the routing isnt set up properly so eth0 doesnt see eth1 when connected to a patch cable
[18:44] <scottjl> you're saying you're plugging eth0 into eth1?
[18:44] <cp5i6x> yes
[18:44] <SimonNL> huh
[18:45] <SimonNL> what's that for
[18:45] <scottjl> if you try ping on the box that has the nics you're not going to get routed out the interface
[18:45] <cp5i6x> i know i'm not
[18:45] <cp5i6x> i just need the box to be able to ping from one interface to the other
[18:45] <scottjl> ok. not at all understanding what you're trying to do
[18:46] <tgm4883> cp5i6x: what problem are you trying to solve?
[18:46] <scottjl> you're not going to.
[18:46] <cp5i6x> ping -I eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:46] <leftyfb> cp5i6x: both ip's are the same network. There's no need for a route. If they're on the same machine and you're logged into the machine, they will ping eachother without a problem
[18:46] <leftyfb> don't use -I
[18:46] <scottjl> sounds like he's trying to force a packet out the interface.
[18:46] <cp5i6x> exactly
[18:46] <scottjl> it's not going to do it
[18:46] <tgm4883> but why?
[18:47] <scottjl> because the other nic is already present in the box
[18:47] <leftyfb> cp5i6x: why do you think you need this to work?
[18:47] <cp5i6x> latency testing between network cards
[18:47] <tgm4883> scottjl: sorry, let me clarify. Why are we trying to ping one nic to another nic on the same box
[18:47] <scottjl> tgm4883: yes. i figured that out
[18:48] <tgm4883> scottjl: sorry, that you had directed that at me
[18:48] <scottjl> afaik it won't send out a packet since the other address is already present on the server
[18:48] <leftyfb> cp5i6x: there is zero latency because they are on the same box. They will not be seen as external devices to test latency across
[18:48] <cp5i6x> that is incorrect
[18:48] <cp5i6x> there is a latency going out from one network card, through a patch cable into the other network card
[18:49] <scottjl> the routing tables already see both addresses as direct
[18:49] <tgm4883> I don't think I'm following how that is going to give you any stats on latency
[18:49] <leftyfb> cp5i6x: no, traffic does not go out and back in
[18:49] <cp5i6x> that's why i'm asking how to set up the ip tables
[18:49] <leftyfb> cp5i6x: it will always go direct
[18:49] <leftyfb> you don't
[18:49] <scottjl> you're trying to trick it
[18:49] <scottjl> afaik you can't
[18:50] <scottjl> then again i never tried to do that. lol.
[18:50] <cp5i6x> you can
[18:50] <cp5i6x> i forgot the exact syntax
[18:50] <leftyfb> you can't ... you would have to block direct/local access to a NIC
[18:50] <cp5i6x> so now i'm trying to ask
[18:50] <SimonNL> #networking  maybe better place for it.
[18:50] <cp5i6x> SimonNL: thanks for the suggest
[19:02] <Slart> so, imapfilter segfaults on ubuntu 16.04 and has done so since.. 5 months? I figured going with an LTS release I wouldn't have to mess with manual fixes for things like this.. it was fixed in december upstream but nothing so far in the ubuntu release.
[19:02] <nacc> Slart: is there a bug filed with ubuntu?
[19:02] <Slart> any recommendations? compile from source? install it from somewhere else?
[19:02] <Slart> nacc: yea https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imapfilter/+bug/1619968
[19:02] <nacc> Slart: looking
[19:04] <nacc> Slart: looks to be fixed in 2.6.10 upstream, which is in 17.04+. Will look at the SRU today
[19:05] <Slart> I really would rather stay on the LTS releases.. but yea, I saw they had a newer version on later ubuntu versions
[19:05] <nacc> Slart: understood, just letting you know
[19:05] <Slart> but isn't this why we do backports of things.. if imapfilter now has some weird dependency
[19:05] <nacc> Slart: backports?
[19:06] <Slart> I guess I just needed to vent a little
[19:06] <nacc> Slart: no, this is not a backport, it's a bugfix
[19:06] <nacc> Slart: the version *upstream* was broken when 16.04 came out
[19:06] <nacc> Slart: should it have been caught by us? yes :) but not every package has full coverage (or any) in tests
[19:06] <Slart> ah.. perhaps I should move away from imapfilter altogether
[19:06] <nacc> Slart: i will sru the fix back to 16.04
[19:06] <nacc> Slart: but it will take a week for it to trickle in, once accepted
[19:07] <nacc> !sru | Slart: just fyi:
[19:07] <Slart> as long as there is a plan for fixing it I'm happy
[19:07] <Slart> thanks
[19:07] <nacc> Slart: yw
[19:10] <jnj> Hey guys, I'm having issues with running wordpress locally on 16.04. I followed the steps here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-wordpress-with-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04 and here (to create a v host): https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts. I have my site in /var/www/bullardphoto-test.com/public_html. Whenver I go to the website though I get redirected to a search page
[19:10] <jnj> that my isp provides, and my logs are completely empty.
[19:17] <kenrin> If you are getting isp search page then it likely can't find the site through dns
[19:26] <allure> guys, my friend is trying to edit the wireless driver QoS stuff. Should he edit it on the wireless driver module or somewhere else?
[19:28] <jnj> kenrin: Ah, ok - I have this line in my hosts file: <IP_ADDRESS> bullardphoto-test.com which I thought would work
[20:11] <stephanlap> Hello. My main HD (including system and home) got read-only some time ago (don't know when). Trying to remount it as rw didn't work and rebooting put me into a "(initramfs)"-prompt. is there anything I can do from this prompt to repair the system or find the problem?
[20:12] <leftyfb> stephanlap: sounds like a bad HDD. Buy a new HDD and restore from backup
[20:14] <u_u> +felmer dudde
[20:14] <dckx> hi guys, I've been trying to setup my touchpad for a while with no success. When I slide my finger on the touchpad, the cursor does not move until my finger has traveled a certain distance, and then starts moving. It is not a sensitivity issue, because the touchpad is very responsive once the cursor starts moving. It seems to be a "protection" so the cursor doesn't move if I accidentally lay my hsven't finger on the touchpad, or maybe while
[20:14] <dckx> I tap, etc. My question is, does anyone know what synclient option controls this wake-up motion? Ihttps://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.html
[20:14] <dckx> can't figure out which one does
[20:25] <cristian_c> dckx: what laptop? What ubuntu?
[20:35] <dckx> gigabyte aero14v7 16.04
[20:35] <dckx> cristian_c:
[20:36] <cristian_c> dckx: have you experinced the same issue in live session?
[20:37] <dckx> i don't know. It definitely does not have this issue on windows
[20:37] <dckx> cristian_c:
[20:38] <cristian_c> dckx: how have you installed ubuntu?
[20:38] <dckx> cristian_c: live cd but touchad was not recognized, so I used the keyboard
[20:38] <cristian_c> O.o
[20:39] <cristian_c> dckx: so, have ypu installed ubuntu, though live session didn't detect touchpad?
[20:39] <dckx> cristian_c: exactly
[20:40] <dckx> cristian_c: when ubuntu was installed, I fix the issue and the touchpad was recognized. I also managed to setuo the three-finger click and tap... but just can't tell what option controls the touchpad "awake" time
[20:40] <dckx> cristian_c: assuming there is such option
[20:41] <cristian_c> dckx: how did you fix the issue?
[20:43] <cristian_c> dckx: elan touchpad?
[20:44] <dckx> cristian_c: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="i8042.kbdreset=1"
[20:44] <dckx> cristian_c: yes, elantech
[20:48] <cristian_c> dckx: xinput list
[20:48] <cristian_c> (in a terminal)
[20:48] <dckx> cristian_c: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="i8042.kbdreset=1"
[20:49] <dckx> cristian_c:  ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad
[20:49] <cristian_c> !paste | dckx
[20:56] <dckx> cristian_c: sorry, internet connection went crazy
[20:57] <gginsight> Hello, is there anyone with a bit of experience with reinstalling GRUB in a raid setup available to help me for a few minutes?
[21:01] <frostschutz> gginsight, just ask your real question... grub and raid is a wide field, either someone knows the answer or not
[21:02] <cristian_c> hi all
[21:03] <cristian_c> I've a ite 9135 dvb chip (with remote control)
[21:03] <gginsight> Okay so after rebooting my server through a web cp I got the error "Issue:  error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found" Then it goes straight to > Grub rescue. I have no clue how to recover from this.
[21:03] <cristian_c> it uses dvb-afatech9035 driver, and i've typed sudo ir-keytable
[21:05] <cristian_c> ir-keytable and evtest perform successfully keypresses on the remote control
[21:05] <frostschutz> gginsight, not much you can do with grub rescue. you have to boot a rescue system, chroot, and fix it from there.
[21:06] <cristian_c> unfortunately, enabled protocol field is empty and if I try to configure shortcuts in kaffeine, many keys don't work
[21:06] <cristian_c> I've tried to modprobe some nec modules, because the remote control support the nec orotocol, but I don't know how to solve the issue
[21:07] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[21:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: hi
[21:08] <gginsight> Yeah I have a rescue image loaded. But grub install is giving me alot of troubles cause I have no idea where to install it or what to mount
[21:08] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Hello, what's up ?
[21:09] <cristian_c> btw, I've already tried to put a new rc keymap into /lib/udev/rc-keymaps and /etc/rc-keymaps, associating by ir-keytabpe command
[21:10] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: hi, I've installed windows 10 in order to monitor temperatures by some softwares as hwinfo64 and another software developed by the cpu-z same software house
[21:12] <cristian_c> I've dusc9vered temp1 and temp3 seen in sensors output in 17.04 are related to mobo, in particular they are f0r cpu and system, I don0t what that means
[21:12] <frostschutz> gginsight, you install it to each drive (like, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb). pastebin parted -l and cat /proc/mdstat and blkid to give a picture of your setup ...?
[21:12] <cristian_c> same for temp4, temp5 and temp6, always related to mobo
[21:13] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: instead, ther4 are apso two temperatures in windows software, they seem related to k10 temp and radeon pci temps seen in sensors command output in 17.04
[21:14] <bigMouthCommie> running a stock apache2 install. i tried symlinking ~/Downloads/Something\ to\ Share into /var/www/html but i got a 403. then i chmod -R 666 * and STILL denied
[21:14] <bigMouthCommie> help plz
[21:14] <cristian_c> in windows values are dufferent, and unfortunately they do not seem very promis8ng
[21:14] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Regrets, I do not know how to tell you how to map the sensors .
[21:15] <cristian_c> f8rst temp is named cpu package and is high, from 48 to 70 °C
[21:15] <gginsight> frostschutz: fdisk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24796241/     parted http://paste.ubuntu.com/24796244/       mdstat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24796245/      blkid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24796250/
[21:15] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I just tell you the monitoring results :)
[21:16] <cristian_c> the other temp is named systemand is lower, about 19-20 °C, I remember
[21:17] <cristian_c> so, definitely , it looks like the cpu temp is wrong in 17.04
[21:18] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: The good thing here is that you are making progress - there are means to calibrate the results .
[21:19] <cristian_c> I don0t know if temperatuee is too high (btw is about summer in this emisphere)
[21:20] <frostschutz> gginsight, okay, so /dev/md2 is your root partition, mount that, mount bind proc sys dev, chroot? you chroot before? inside chroot it should be grub-install /dev/sda, grub-install /dev/sdb.
[21:20] <cristian_c> it looks kike similar to bios temperature, btw
[21:20] <cristian_c> I think 'cpu package0 is the real temperature of the pc
[21:20] <cristian_c> *of the cpu
[21:20] <annihilator> what is a good weather app unity?
[21:20] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: I tend to have confidence in the readings as reported by bios .
[21:22] <CoderEurope> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/1030/jblive/
[21:22] <Bashing-om> annihilator: How about the terminal ? Try ' inxi -xxxw ' .
[21:23] <cristian_c> it's a desktop pc without many cooling space
[21:24] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I don0t know if inxi command was addressed to me
[21:25] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: No the inxi command was for annihilator - what I use for a weather report .
[21:25] <cristian_c> :O
[21:26] <Sleaker> can also  be used to grab sensor data though
[21:26] <Sleaker> <3 inxi
[21:27] <cristian_c> Sleaker: yeah, it returns a value for the temp, though
[21:27] <Sleaker> what were you needing?
[21:28] <cristian_c> kavery and fam15h sensors an amd apus are n9t well supported by linux
[21:28] <cristian_c> so, it doesn't display apparently cpu proper temperature
[21:29] <cristian_c> in k10temp I see something that goes from 7 °C to 12 °C
[21:30] <cristian_c> and it87 module ahows a bunch of vslues , between them there are some values apparently related to cpu but they should not the cpu te p vslue
[21:30] <cristian_c> *the cpu
[21:31] <cristian_c> (I talk about lm-sensors btw)
[21:32] <Ben64> you're never going to get a real temperature
[21:32] <gginsight_> frostschutz: Do you see anything wrong with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24796318/
[21:36] <frostschutz> gginsight_, ...maybe something deleted all your files? check it out with cd and ls, or `find /mnt -xdev -type f | less`
[21:38] <gginsight_> frostschutz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24796396/ Could it be those files are on another partition or something?
[21:42] <frostschutz> gginsight_, is that all or just the first page of less?
[21:42] <gginsight_> Derp thast the first page ;P hard to copy it all
[21:43] <JoeBk> anyone having trouble with update being very slow?
[21:44] <frostschutz> gginsight_, well you have files then so you can't have deleted all of them. not sure why some would be missing. do you have a /mnt/bin/bash or no? maybe you're just using another shell, like zsh?
[21:45] <stephanlap> A general question: Do I need to have a swap-partition if I have 8 GB or RAM on a general-use Ubuntu-System? I mean, do I need to have a swap-partition at all or could I run a ubuntu-system without it? The reason I'm asking is that my current SSD is becoming unreliable and I wonder if the swap-partition (along with lots of writes) is the cause of the problems.
[21:46] <gginsight_> frostschutz: Do I need to mount bin aswell?
[21:46] <frostschutz> stephanlap, you don't need swap if you don't use suspend to disk, and don't need more ram than what you actually have
[21:46] <frostschutz> gginsight_, no. it should all be there.
[21:46] <stephanlap> frostschutz: I never use suspend to disk.
[21:46] <gginsight_> frostschutz: Okay heres the full output https://clbin.com/np8U9
[21:48] <AndrewMock> Is it just me or is it kinda weird how bad some of the mirrors are allowed to be? Is this being worked on?
[21:49] <skinnymg1> AndrewMock: a slow mirror is better than no mirror
[21:50] <frostschutz> gginsight_, lots of bash related files, even a .bash_history for root, but no bash itself. seems like something deleted some of your files? see if the root/.bash_history has commands that were not you, maybe you got compromised
[21:50] <JoeBk> I'm trying to do update now.  It's taking a very long time.
[21:51] <AndrewMock> sounds like a no then haha. i will setup internal mirrors for now
[21:52] <gginsight_> frostschutz: Holy damn
[21:52] <gginsight_> frostschutz: rm -r /*
[21:52] <gginsight_> NotLikeThis
[21:53] <frostschutz> that will also delete files on your md3 /home
[21:54] <gginsight_> frostschutz: Yep but it seems like whoever did it cancelled the command straight after
[21:54] <AndrewMock> "allow all mirrors or allow no mirror" is based on a thinking error (black or white thinking) and i would have imagined that mirrors would suddenly fall in line for being kicked but that is sad
[21:54] <gginsight_> So it should have only removed some of the required system files :l
[21:55] <gginsight_> Whew I think this is going to be a very long night
[21:58] <cristian_c> ok, then another question:
[21:58] <AndrewMock> lol only 1/9 Spain mirrors are up to date
[21:59] <cristian_c> I need to find an effective method in order to add and use a new resolution for employing in a basic projector
[21:59] <cristian_c> I've looked at xconfigresolution ubuntu wiki, and also tried cvt, but I've got some difficulties in order to perform the task
[21:59] <cristian_c> How could control the proper commands and debug in case of failure?
[21:59] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[22:00] <kenrin> I've always used xrandr for that
[22:00] <cristian_c> kenrin: ok, but I0ve to add anew resolution
[22:00] <cristian_c> not formerly inckuded in xrandr -q output
[22:01] <cristian_c> but appearing after creating a new one with cvt, etc.....
[22:01] <kenrin> did the cvt give you output ?
[22:01] <kenrin> then you add with xrandr
[22:01] <cristian_c> yeah, I've tried
[22:02] <cristian_c> I've to repeat the test in order to provide more info
[22:02] <cristian_c> but I wonder ifnthere is a right method to make this task
[22:02] <cristian_c> or what's the most proper method
[22:03] <cristian_c> kenrin: btw, thanks for the answer :)
[22:03] <gginsight_> frostschutz: Oh well thank you so much for the help! Atleast I found out who to get my boss to fire ;D
[22:03] <kenrin> if you follow something like this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution
[22:03] <cristian_c> ok
[22:04] <cristian_c> kenrin: yeah, I've followed that type of way
[22:05] <cristian_c> I don't remember if the final command returned error or did nothing
[22:05] <cristian_c> but I'll try agsin and I'll save the output
[22:06] <cristian_c> kenrin: for the moment, thanks for the help
[22:09] <ddaughtrey> Wow lots of people in here Hi :)
[22:10] <\9> ddaughtrey: hi, this is ubuntu support
[22:10] <gginsight_> Have you tried shutdown -r now ?
[22:15] <ddaughtrey> Is it possible to check hard drive utilization? My hard drive sounds to be running nonstop. CPU and Memory don't seem to be having any issues.
[22:16] <akik> ddaughtrey: not sure what you need but maybe iotop will show it to you
[22:18] <ddaughtrey> I'm just trying to see what it's doing. It seems to be slowing my system down because it's trying to do something.
[22:18] <akik> ddaughtrey: hmm i remembered the wrong command. maybe i was thinking of sar which can show how much each disk is utilized
[22:20] <akik> ddaughtrey: you can install it with sudo apt-get install sysstat
[22:20] <fishbowlkraken> Alright, I've taken a break from my stupid driver issues for about a week, but the models I'm working on are getting to the point where I really need my GPU running on all cylinders, so here I am again.
[22:20] <akik> process io with iotop
[22:22] <fishbowlkraken> So, I'm having an issue where my Nvidia M2200 isn't able to reclock itself above about 10% speed regardless of settings or drivers loaded. I've tried using the proposed kernels, I'm running the latest drivers from the gpu-drivers PPA, but nothing works.
[22:23] <fishbowlkraken> It simply will not reclock. And it only even loads the card correctly if Prime is disabled in BIOS, otherwise it runs from the Intel Iris card almost exclusively, and still won't aggressively clock the card higher when I need it.
[22:24] <fishbowlkraken> If I enable Prime, the Iris graphics sorta work, but while the Nvidia clock seems to bounce around a bit, it doesn't actually improve graphical performance. I'm not the only person encountering the problem, either. Here's a post on the Nvidia forums from other users with the same issue, and a list
[22:24] <fishbowlkraken> of the things they've tried to get their machines running.
[22:24] <fishbowlkraken> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1010612/sluggish-performance-no-reclocking-ubuntu-17-04-kernel-4-12rc2-nvidia-quadro-m2200-driver-381-22-/
[22:24] <fishbowlkraken> The part that drives me nuts is reclocking worked exactly once.
[22:25] <fishbowlkraken>  I don't know what happened, but I installed the OS, installed the latest graphics drivers, and it ran a single game I used as a benchmark flawlessly for about an hour.
[22:26] <fishbowlkraken> I ran the updater, shut it off, went to bed, and in the morning, nothing. Stuck at barely functional.
[22:27] <akik> fishbowlkraken: can you boot windows on it to test if it works there?
[22:27] <fishbowlkraken> I don't have Windows installed, nor do I use it. Others have confirmed the card works in Windows, but that's not my operating environment.
[22:28] <akik> fishbowlkraken: there are a lot of options that you can set it a xorg config snippet
[22:28] <fishbowlkraken> I
[22:29] <akik> fishbowlkraken: nvidia specific. but i would guess the nvidia dev talk forum is the best forum this time
[22:29] <fishbowlkraken> oops. I've tried using Nvidia-SMI to allow clockspeed adjusting, and it's not done anything.
[22:29] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, I linked an Nvidia forum page about this issue.
[22:31] <fishbowlkraken>  So as far as the Nvidia Dev forum is concerned, there's already a post about it where they've tried a number of things.
[22:31] <akik> fishbowlkraken: if you search for xorg.conf and RegistryDwords, you'll find the nvidia options i think
[22:32] <fishbowlkraken> As in a Xorg.conf file? I don't have one, Ubuntu doesn't have one by default.
[22:34] <akik> fishbowlkraken: yes but if you create one, it'll be used (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[22:35] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, so how do I format a xorg.conf to allow reclocking in this scenario? I've not had to use a Xorg.conf for like, five years so I'm not exactly well versed on how it works.
[22:36] <akik> fishbowlkraken: i'm not sure of the options you need but you can also put one section only in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf (doesn't need to be the whole config)
[22:38] <fishbowlkraken> And setting this will enable the setting that the Nvidia SMI tool tells me is unavailable to me?
[22:38] <akik> fishbowlkraken: for example that file could only have Section "Device"
[22:38] <akik> fishbowlkraken: no i don't know which options you need, just how you can create the xorg config snippet
[22:39] <fishbowlkraken> There's already an output class config for Nvidia in conf.d, by the way. The problem, though, is I'm looking for answers on what setting I need to enable to make the clockspeed adjust itself
[22:39] <fishbowlkraken> so it's great that a xorg.conf snippet would fix it if I put the setting that'd fix it in there, but I have no idea what that setting is, which is why I'm here.
[22:45] <fishbowlkraken> Alright, gonna try another fix option someone mentioned.
[22:53] <Meliorator> hi all, i need some help getting ubuntu to boot from a hdd on an older intel motherboard, BIOS just gives me "insert boot disk"
[22:54] <Meliorator> i have tried setting the bootable flag on the nested partition, but still doesn't boot
[22:55] <Meliorator> apparently it's an issue with older intel motherboards and "buggy" BIOS's, but the workarounds i found, don't seem to work
[22:55] <Ben64> seems likely that the drive isn't bootable
[22:55] <YankDownUnder> Meliorator, Does that particular BIOS give you the option to choose a boot device when it gets past the POST?
[22:56] <Meliorator> Ben64: windows boots from the drives ok
[22:56] <Ben64> that doesn't mean anything
[22:56] <Meliorator> YankDownUnder: yes, both devices with grub are installed, are the only devices allowed to boot
[22:57] <Meliorator> Ben64: it means there is a way to make them boot!
[22:57] <YankDownUnder> Meliorator, So you can get to "Win" through grub?
[22:58] <Ben64> it means you don't have it set up properly to boot now
[22:58] <Meliorator> YankDownUnder: No, i just did a plain windows install and let it use a whole disk
[22:59] <Meliorator> Ben64: the BIOS config has not changed
[22:59] <YankDownUnder> Meliorator, So an MBR based partition boots fine.
[22:59] <Ben64> Meliorator: that doesn't matter either
[22:59] <Ben64> you need to have something on the drive that can boot for it to boot
[23:00] <Meliorator> YankDownUnder, seems so
[23:00] <Meliorator> Ben64: so what is missing?
[23:00] <Ben64> an operating system, a bootloader, something like that
[23:00] <Meliorator> Ben64: grub/linux?
[23:28] <archpc> how's the support for a 980Ti?
[23:30] <Ben64> archpc: good
[23:39] <Bashing-om> archpc: mvidia recommends the 375 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/118290/en-us , It is in our repo for later OSs .
[23:48] <Meliorator> ok, so, i have run through Boot-Repair, but it still won't boot :(
[23:50] <Meliorator> ...the log of which is here: https://pastebin.com/raw/W3EyPmHa