[00:38] <mwhudson> another mystery<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:58] <mwhudson> (that one went away on retry)
[01:58] <mwhudson> another another wtf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:59] <sarnold> TypeError: 'Boost.Python.class' object is not iterable
[01:59] <sarnold> boost .. python? wat?
[02:00] <mwhudson> yeah and the error is coming from the stdlib enum.py??
[02:04] <mwhudson> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNpMtzgdnc/ <- something be busted bad
[02:05] <sarnold> oh my
[02:11] <mwhudson> can we apply the infinity gauntlet to the packages in ubuntu perhaps
[02:14] <mwhudson> checking whether boost_python310 is the correct library... yes
[02:14] <mwhudson> i would like to offer a second opinion
[02:16] <mwhudson> ginggs: so pythonmagick linked its python3.9 extension against the python3.10 boost_python library
[02:17] <mwhudson> ginggs: i think thanks to more autoconf nonsense
[02:17] <mwhudson> also in general --with-python-min-version={version.major}.{version.minor} seems a risky way to select a python version, i hope there aren't too many packages using it
[02:18] <mwhudson> i think a build of pythonmagick where python3.10 was default but python3.9 was still supported would build a python3.10 extension twice
[02:20] <mwhudson> probably better to set PYTHON in the environment
[02:50] <mwhudson> ginggs: what do you think about https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/devirt/+packages?field.name_filter=sphinxbase ?
[04:29] <ginggs> mwhudson: pythonmagick seems to have had issues building for two supported python versions, see debian #954812
[04:37] <ginggs> mwhudson: sphinxbase looks good to me, shipit!
[07:10] <mwhudson> ginggs: re pythonmagick: hmm
[07:11] <mwhudson> ginggs: sphinxbase uploaded
[07:12] <ginggs> mwhudson: thanks!
[07:13]  * mwhudson stares at reverse-depends src:pythonmagick
[07:13] <mwhudson> maybe we can just bodge it to build for the default python?
[07:13] <mwhudson> hmm not sure that will help actually
[07:34] <mwhudson> ginggs: do you know who is looking after the r stuff?
[07:35] <mwhudson> i find working on r packages pretty incomprehensible so i'm happy to look into specific things but not sure i can find generally useful things to do myself
[07:35] <ginggs> mwhudson: it's been a group effort; vorlon, xnox and me
[07:36] <ginggs> i think it's just about ready to migrate, just needs some retrying of autopkgtests now
[07:44] <ginggs> mwhudson: building pythonmagick for only the default python sounds reasonable to me.  the autopkgtest will need to be adjusted as well
[08:40] <cpaelzer> Hi, I'm unsure if something is down or if my memory is playing tricks on me
[08:40] <cpaelzer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration points to https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu
[08:40] <cpaelzer> the latter seems down from Web and git fetch POV
[08:41] <cpaelzer> I vaguely remember that the location of some repos got changed to be more accessible and wonder if that might be one of them
[08:41] <cpaelzer> but then OTOH https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+ref/devel is still up
[08:42] <cpaelzer> so I wonder if this is a technical issue of LP-git or if it really moved and I (and the wiki page) just need a hint to the new place?
[08:46] <gjolly_> cpaelzer: LP-git is under maintenance apparently, even https://git.launchpad.net is down
[08:48] <cpaelzer> thanks gjolly - that explains
[08:51] <cjwatson> It was also announced on #launchpad and https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[09:41] <nibbon_> o/
[09:42] <nibbon_> is there a special reason why golang-1.14 installs the binary in /usr/lib/go-1.14/bin instead of /usr/bin like the golang package does?
[09:54] <cjwatson> nibbon_: the point of the golang-$version packages is so that you can have multiple versions installed at the same time, and that wouldn't work if they all tried to install to the same path
[09:54] <cjwatson> nibbon_: and the point of the golang (and golang-go, etc.) metapackages is so that you don't have to worry about that, so if it bothers you, just install golang and be done with it?
[09:56] <nibbon_> I would like to build a .deb with golang 1.14 but the meta package fetches only golang 1.13
[09:56] <nibbon_> so I forced golang-1.14 but the build fails because cannot find the golang binary
[09:56] <cjwatson> golang-go basically just ships symlinks
[09:56] <cjwatson> nibbon_: set PATH then?
[09:57] <nibbon_> I'm trying but I'm failing  in doing so in debian/rules :/
[09:57] <cjwatson> "export PATH := /usr/lib/go-1.14/bin:$(PATH)" should do it
[09:58] <cjwatson> (untested)
[09:59]  * nibbon_ tries
[10:01] <nibbon_> cjwatson: it works :)
[10:01] <nibbon_> cjwatson: my mistake was to export GOPATH
[10:01] <nibbon_> cjwatson: thx
[10:05] <cjwatson> np
[11:57] <slyon> ddstreet: wrt lp:#1949089 Thanks for your comment on the MP! Apparently they had some issues with the testing and it turned out that SRU isn't actually the root-cause of this failure, so no need to revert it anyway. It's right AFAIU that the snap mount unit is being restarted during a daemon-reload.
[12:19] <seb128> RikMills, hey, is there any chance you could try to handle some of the kde items on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/auto-poppler.html ? unsure if they need fixes or if no change rebuilds would be enough
[12:21] <RikMills> seb128: sure, I will get on that in a short while
[12:23] <seb128> RikMills, thanks!
[13:08] <seb128> Is there anyone who could tell me how are ubuntu-manual-tests items associated with images on the ISO tracker?
[13:08] <seb128> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/429/builds/239456/testcases for example (ubuntu desktop arm64) has no test case listed where it should probably have the same than the amd64 iso
[13:09] <seb128> similarly canary has no tests atm
[13:22] <ddstreet> slyon ok thanks, i'll let you handle it then, feel free to engage sustaining eng if needed
[13:25] <slyon> ddstreet: ACK!
[14:16] <seb128> bdmurray, ^ maybe you know about the iso tracker question?
[14:33] <Orz> So, any development of ubuntu is discussed here before being published?
[14:37] <seb128> we discuss desktop work on daily basis here if that's what you are interested in
[14:37] <seb128> reading https://discourse.ubuntu.com/ is also useful if you want to follow what's going on
[14:39] <Orz> awesome!
 "http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/..." <- It's been a while, but if you're logged in and have the right perms you should be able to assign testcases to that test suite + series. It's done manually iirc.
[15:14] <seb128> tsimonq21, either I don't have the right or I'm not finding the right screen to use
[15:20] <Orz> one last question: How do you guys know when a topic is being discussed? I mean being online 24*7 is not possible and the chat gets reset everytime you join...
 "Simon Quigley, either I don't..." <- Don't quote me on it, but this looks right: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase
[15:25] <tsimonq21> seb128: Can you see this page? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/266/edit
 "one last question: How do you..." <- Being online 24/7 is possible, just use a bouncer or something that works in a similar way.
[15:33] <Orz> bouncer?
[15:33] <bdmurray> seb128: What tsimonq21 said is correct and you need to edit the relationship on the ISO tracker.
[15:34] <seb128> tsimonq21, no, I don't have access to that one
[15:34] <seb128> bdmurray, do you know if it's restricted to release team or if I could get added and by who?
[15:35] <tsimonq21> seb128: So from here iirc, you can either provide one of us with a list of testcases you like added, or file a bug here for an audit log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests
[15:35] <bdmurray> seb128: You should have access are your logged in?
[15:35] <tsimonq21> (But I do think you should have access.)
[15:38] <seb128> bdmurray, I'm logged in but http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/ gives me an oops page
[15:38] <bdmurray> seb128: what about the url tsimonq gave earlier?
[15:39] <seb128> same, I started from there and went down by deleting parts
[15:43] <bdmurray> seb128: hrmm, there are two seb128's in the access list seb128 and seb128_
[15:44] <seb128> I'm logged in as seb128
[15:49] <bdmurray> I'm in a meeting at the moment but I'm trying and will try and figure out how to manage permissions here.
[15:53] <Orz> tsimonq21 so you all host a bouncer server in order to remain online? Why didn't you consider discord? This is such a hassle to setup
[15:55] <tsimonq21> Orz: Nope, we all do it a little bit differently. Discord came after IRC and is proprietary with much less flexibility. You don't have to set up a bouncer, just use something like Matrix to bridge it.
[16:01] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks!
[16:50] <usvsnsp> Hey! Thanks again for the advices. Finally got Element, a matrix bridging app to work for me. Can't wait to be a part of this awesome community!
[16:51] <usvsnsp> (I was nicked as Orz before)
[20:07] <bdmurray> seb128: I updated your role on the site - let's see if that helps.
[20:34]  * mwhudson eyeballs libseccomp build failure
[21:36] <mwhudson> ah looks like a good lump of r stuff migrated
[22:20] <mwhudson> hm
[22:20] <mwhudson> does someone have a thing that can do "retry autopkgtests of package foo with an additional trigger"?
[22:20] <mwhudson> mind you just all-proposed retries of r stuff seems to be doing the trick currently
[22:22] <mwhudson> and i guess i can do the first thing i asked for with sed
[23:33] <mwhudson> *something* in the R blob has regressed on s390x
[23:34] <mwhudson> probably https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/r-cran-s2


[01:53] <MacLaren> hello, i am just look for some help
[01:53] <MacLaren> i am currently trying the ubuntu 13.10. But it seems i ma missing some of the apps ie. Document viewer
[01:53] <MacLaren> and way i can add these apps?
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> MacLaren, you tries sudo apt-get install
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> tried*
[01:56] <RobbyF> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/collection
[01:56] <RobbyF> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily
[01:56] <RobbyF> sudo apt-get install touch-coreapps touch-collection
[01:56] <MacLaren> within Ubuntu the terminal app? in 13.10?
[01:56] <RobbyF> yup
[01:56] <RobbyF> don't forget to update obviouusly
[01:56] <MacLaren> i would like to, but it asks for a root password
[01:56] <RobbyF> phablet is pw
[01:56] <MacLaren> i dont know thats -_-
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> user password
[01:57] <MacLaren> ok
[01:57] <MacLaren> lemme try what you guys said
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> there is no root password
[02:11] <MacLaren> nope,the document viewer and other missing apps are still not there, rebooting now
[02:12] <MacLaren> i take that back -_-
[02:12] <MacLaren> reboot did the trick, sorry
[02:13] <MacLaren> another question, any way to get music/contact on this?
[02:26] <MacLaren> the music app still dosent work :/
[02:57] <AskUbuntu> Install ubuntu touch on toro | http://askubuntu.com/q/340268
[03:14] <john____> hi
[03:14] <john____> busy
[05:40] <ikarus_> ugh, can someone please just gather the info you need for sticking Ubuntu on a tf300, instead of linking half a dozen xda-developers posts written by people who don't understand Linux....
[05:40] <ikarus_> (I guess I'll do it on the wiki
[05:41] <ikarus_> also, how easy is it to stick another window manager on ubuntu touch installations ? a tf300 is not handicapped due to lack of a touchpad and keyboard
[06:22] <discopig> ikarus_, i think with mir it would be relatively easy
[06:22] <discopig> it would probably be just a matter of starting mir then starting a window manager
[06:23] <discopig> and getting mir to work on ubuntu touch isn't too hard
[06:23] <discopig> i'd test myself but I'd need to reflash my nexus 4
[06:26] <ikarus_> discopig: thing is, no one but Ubuntu uses Mir, so neither do the window managers I want, just get me a good old X11 session
[06:33] <diwic> b
[06:33] <diwic> how does one close/kill an application under Ubuntu touch?
[06:33] <diwic> is there a gui way or do you have to use the terminal?
[06:47] <SeanHosie54> Hi guys, just wondering if someone can help me with my nexus 10  ubuntu installation when I try to deploy the image to the device it pops up with (FAILED (remote: signature verification failed!))
[06:47] <SeanHosie54>
[06:48] <SeanHosie54> anyone able to help?
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <mzanetti> tvoss: hi, I've been testing the location stuff on the weekend
[07:55] <tvoss> mzanetti, working?
[07:55] <mzanetti> tvoss: in general, works quite nicely, but I found 2 issues I think
[07:55] <tvoss> mzanetti, shoot
[07:55] <popey> mzanetti: got sample qml code?
[07:55] <mzanetti> tvoss: QGeoPositionInfoSource::setInterval() doesn't seem to be working. The source trows positioninfo every half a second.
[07:55] <tvoss> mzanetti, yeah, known issue
[07:55] <popey> mzanetti: the core apps devs could really benefit from some sample code to implement location detection in their apps
[07:56] <tvoss> popey, qtlocation examples are a good place to start
[07:56] <mzanetti> tvoss: the other is that I had lots of crashes when opening the device
[07:56] <popey> if you can point me at a specific one I can paste into a new qml project I'd appreciate it ☻
[07:56] <tvoss> mzanetti, how do you mean opening the device?
[07:57] <popey> (and it work)
[07:57] <mzanetti> tvoss: when creating the QGeoPositionInforSource object
[07:57] <mzanetti> tvoss: I think it happens when 2 application try to access it at the same time
[07:58] <tvoss> mzanetti, hmmm ... there is an open issue where the default source selection is not deterministic. Let me see if it helps when we force it to the ubuntu location provider
[07:58] <mzanetti> popey: well... its so simple... the doc really should be enough
[07:58] <popey> yeah, people say that
[07:58] <popey> and none, _none_ of the examples we ship work
[07:58] <popey> i filed bugs
[07:58] <mzanetti> really?
[07:58] <tvoss> popey, http://qt.developpez.com/doc/5.0-snapshot/declarative-flickr/
[07:58] <popey> yes
[07:58] <tvoss> popey, flickr works fo rme
[07:59] <popey> bug 1214369
[07:59] <mzanetti> popey: what I think is wea more important, is to tell people that they should stop the source when its not needed etc
[07:59] <popey> bug 1214368
[07:59] <popey> bah
[07:59] <popey> "qml_location_flickr crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance()"
[07:59] <mzanetti> popey: ah... yeah, the location examples only work since last thursday
[07:59] <mzanetti> popey: the map doesn't crash any more since last weekend, and the positioninfo started working end of last week only
[08:00] <popey> super!
[08:02] <popey> thanks chaps, will re-try with an up to date image
[08:03] <mzanetti> popey: in case you're interested: http://gitorious.org/getmewheels/getmewheels2/source/1442af229209bbaa2ae177c7752cf566b6711d37:
[08:04] <popey> ooh, nice!
[08:04] <popey> is that like the Zipcar?
[08:04]  * mzanetti googles tipcar
[08:04]  * mzanetti googles zipcar
[08:04] <popey> hourly rental of cars nearby
[08:05] <mzanetti> popey: nope. much cooler
[08:05] <popey> hehe
[08:05] <mzanetti> popey: there are like 250 cars distributed over the whole city
[08:05] <mzanetti> popey: you can just jump on and off however you want. leaving the car wherever you want (as long as within the city boundries)
[08:06] <popey> you dont have to take it back to its home?
[08:06] <mzanetti> no
[08:06] <popey> that _is_ cool!
[08:06] <popey> there would end up being a pile of cars outside my house though :D
[08:06] <mzanetti> there's enough people that would drive them back to the city center
[08:06] <mzanetti> and then taking the cab home because they're drunk
[08:07] <mzanetti> thats what I do at least :D
[08:07] <popey> hah ☻
[08:07] <mzanetti> this app shows you a map with all the cars so can easily find them. and you can book them for half a hour so noone can steal it from you
[08:08] <popey> omg! they have them in the uk
[08:08] <mzanetti> yep. in london so far
[08:09] <mzanetti> it started off here in Ulm 3 years ago... when I wrote the app, only Ulm and Austin-Texas were supported. by now its like 15 cities all over the globe. and new ones are appearing every 2 months or so
[08:09] <popey> That's great, hadn't heard of it. Ta!
[08:35] <mamenyaka> diwic, hi, do you have a moment please?
[08:37] <diwic> mamenyaka, hi
[08:38] <mamenyaka> diwic, for the n8000, sinks are detected, no sound
[08:38] <mamenyaka> diwic, HiFi file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054406/
[08:40] <diwic> mamenyaka, there were some .state files in there too, right?
[08:40] <Laney> mpt: Hi, happy Monday! Check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone - should the "Switching from/to" titles be sentence case?
[08:40] <diwic> mamenyaka, in the link you posted a few days ago
[08:41] <mamenyaka> diwic, yes
[08:41] <mamenyaka> diwic, the link: https://code.google.com/p/opensgn/source/browse/data/n8000/usr/share/alsa/ucm/Midas_WM1811/
[08:42] <diwic> mamenyaka, perhaps you could look at that file, and for every control in there, change it manually to what the state file says
[08:42] <diwic> mamenyaka, and see if that can make sound work
[08:43] <mamenyaka> diwic, can you give me an example?
[08:45] <diwic> mamenyaka, let's try something else. I assume PulseAudio is running on the HiFi profile. Run "alsactl store -f /tmp/speaker.state"
[08:45] <diwic> mamenyaka, then diff /tmp/speaker.state against init.state and see what differences you find
[08:45] <mamenyaka> diwic, okay, give me a moment
[08:46] <mamenyaka> diwic, just downloading the 0902 iamge
[08:48] <Laney> mpt: Moving from #-desktop - are the "two fields" there an entry and confirmation text entry?
[08:49] <Laney> If so, how should we give feedback when the entries don't match?
[08:50] <mamenyaka> diwic, a question regarding my other device with no h2w/state; shouldn't the default state be the speakers?
[08:51] <diwic> mamenyaka, the default is to remember what you have previously
[08:51] <mamenyaka> and if there is no previous?
[08:51] <diwic> s/have/had
[08:51] <diwic> mamenyaka, then it should pick the one with highest priority
[08:52] <mamenyaka> can I change the priority?
[08:52] <mamenyaka> it showed as I remember 100 for both
[08:53] <diwic> mamenyaka, try adding "PlaybackPriority 200" in the "Value" section for speakers
[08:53] <diwic> mamenyaka, just below "PlaybackChannels"
[08:54] <mamenyaka> diwic, thank you, I will try it later, now installing for the n8000
[09:14] <mamenyaka> diwic, alsactl is in which package?
[09:14] <ogra_> mamenyaka, alsa-utils, it is pre-installed
[09:15] <mamenyaka> ogra_, thank you, but it doesn't show up
[09:15] <mamenyaka> oh, sorry
[09:15] <mamenyaka> it doesn't show up as phablet user
[09:16] <ogra_> ??
[09:16] <mamenyaka> $ alsactl
[09:16] <mamenyaka> -su: alsactl: command not found
[09:16] <ogra_> surely does ... unless oyu messed up your path
[09:16] <ogra_> dont ever use su
[09:16] <mamenyaka> oh now
[09:16] <ogra_> sudo -u phablet -i
[09:16] <mamenyaka> oh
[09:16] <mamenyaka> thank you
[09:17] <ogra_> cjwatson, do you know whats the reason that we dont adjust the path and environment with su ?
[09:18] <mamenyaka> diwic, no speaker.state file
[09:19] <cjwatson> ogra_: use "su -" rather than su
[09:19] <diwic> mamenyaka, weird, did it perhaps save /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[09:19] <cjwatson> defined interface since forever
[09:19] <mamenyaka> diwic, empty dir
[09:19] <mamenyaka> I used su - phablet
[09:20] <ogra_> cjwatson, right, but why dont we just use the proper user PATH that we use everywhere else ? (sudo and login set it properly)
[09:20] <cjwatson> that's odd, it should, I'll have a look in a bit
[09:20] <ogra_> without having to use a switch
[09:20] <diwic> mamenyaka, any errors?
[09:20] <ogra_> ENV_SUPATH      PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[09:20] <ogra_> ENV_PATH        PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
[09:20] <ogra_> from login.defs
[09:20] <mamenyaka> diwic, paplay runs fine
[09:21] <cjwatson> err - that's a regression, I'm sure
[09:21] <ogra_> k, i thought there was probably a decision i missed :)
[09:21] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneTruePath
[09:21] <ogra_> yeah
[09:21] <cjwatson> perhaps su has lost pam_env or something
[09:22] <diwic> mamenyaka, it runs fine on the N4 under the phablet user
[09:22] <diwic> mamenyaka, did you run exactly "alsactl store -f /tmp/speaker.state" ?
[09:23] <cjwatson> ok, for those here who care about PPAs, I think we have now actually managed to patch things up so that the build farm will spend less time at half capacity
[09:23] <diwic> mamenyaka, no need to su to anything else
[09:23] <mamenyaka> diwic, I can try running it, but I have no speaker.state file, checked tmp
[09:23] <cjwatson> so the current hideous queue should manage to drain
[09:23] <diwic> mamenyaka, it will create the speaker.state file
[09:23] <ogra_> yay
[09:23] <mamenyaka> nono, that su thing was only for switching to phablet, now I know the right way to do that
[09:23] <mamenyaka> diwic,
[09:23] <mamenyaka> diwic, okay
[09:24] <mamenyaka> that I didn't know, sorry
[09:24] <mamenyaka> so now I compare
[09:24] <diwic> mamenyaka, compare speaker.state with init.state you found on the opensgn website
[09:25] <mamenyaka> diwic, doing that right now
[09:26] <mamenyaka> diwic, quite a lot of differences
[09:29] <mamenyaka> diwic, if you are interested, here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054522/
[09:31] <diwic> mamenyaka, always run  diff with the -u switch
[09:31] <diwic> mamenyaka, then it becomes more readable :-)
[09:31] <mamenyaka> diwic, I just used Meld to compare, but thanks :)
[09:32] <mamenyaka> diwic, yes, this is more friendly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054528/
[09:33] <diwic> mamenyaka, e g, "Speaker Mixer Volume" should probably be turned up, since it is '3' on init.state and '0' on speaker.state?
[09:33] <diwic> mamenyaka, and 'Speaker Reference'
[09:33] <diwic> mamenyaka, and 'DAC1 Switch' and 'DAC2 Switch'
[09:34] <diwic> mamenyaka, and 'SPKR DAC2 Switch'
[09:35] <mamenyaka> diwic, where do I need to edit?
[09:35] <diwic> mamenyaka, and 'SPKR DAC1 Switch' and 'SPKL DAC1 Switch' and 'SPKL DAC2 Switch'
[09:35] <mamenyaka> or how do I overwrite it?
[09:35] <mamenyaka> with my init.state
[09:36] <diwic> mamenyaka, either in EnableSequence for Speaker or in the EnableSequence for the HiFi verb, depending on whether you need it for headphones too, or not
[09:37] <mamenyaka> diwic, what is the command to call the init.state?
[09:38] <diwic> mamenyaka, "alsactl restore -f /path/to/init.state"
[09:39] <mamenyaka> diwic, should I worry? alsactl: set_control:1325: failed to obtain info for control #150 (No such file or directory)
[09:40] <mamenyaka> diwic, but still no sound
[09:41] <diwic> mamenyaka, okay, you can take a new state (alsactl store -f /tmp/foo.state) to verify that the values changed to what you expected
[09:44] <mamenyaka> diwic, no, looks like still the same
[09:45] <mamenyaka> diwic, this is what I get on restore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054567/
[09:46] <mamenyaka> diwic, the diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054571/
[09:54] <diwic> mamenyaka, so, hopefully it's only about setting up the mixer correctly, but we can't know for sure. You can use amixer, alsamixer and alsactl to get and set the current mixer values until you get something working.
[09:55] <diwic> mamenyaka, if you need to do something more than just setting up the mixer, that would probably be hiding in the audio HAL code, if you have access to that.
[09:55] <mamenyaka> diwic, thank you, I will try my best
[09:56] <jamesh> ogra_: hi.  One thing I ran into when getting mediascanner running on the phone is that we don't support XDG user dirs out of the box.  I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-session/+bug/1219348 about it, which is hopefully the right place
[09:56] <mamenyaka> diwic, with amixer, do I need to manually set everything_
[09:56] <mamenyaka> ?
[09:56] <diwic> mamenyaka, once you get things working, you should modify the UCM files to do the same.
[09:56] <ogra_> jamesh, if your service runs as the user you should get the dirs i think
[09:57] <ogra_> seb128, ^^^ ?
[09:58] <jamesh> ogra_: there was no ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs file, so it wasn't working.
[09:58] <seb128> ogra_, jamesh: in the latest discussions it was not clear they wanted to support customisable/translatables dirs in touch
[09:58] <seb128> that adds complexity and overhead
[09:58] <seb128> especially for the app isolation/apparmor
[09:58] <ogra_> who does that discussion ?
[09:58] <seb128> lool jdstrand tvoss
[09:59] <asac> oSoMoN: hello. any idea what could be wrong on the maguro tests failing?
[09:59] <ogra_> i think the mediascanner part is rather a system service, isnt it ??
[09:59] <jamesh> seb128: if we don't support customisable user dirs, we could still provide the config file pointing at the non-translated dirs
[09:59] <seb128> jamesh, that would work for me
[09:59] <oSoMoN> asac: hi, I’m investigating
[09:59] <tvoss> ogra_, it is, or more precisely, a session service
[09:59] <jamesh> that way code that is written against the spec would still work
[09:59] <ogra_> tvoss, ah, thanks
[09:59] <oSoMoN> asac: mmm, looks like they didn’t run at all
[10:00] <asac> oSoMoN: webbrowser didnt
[10:00] <asac> the rest did
[10:00] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3906/camera-app-autopilot/329637/
[10:00] <asac> camera
[10:00] <asac> something fishy with a PID
[10:00] <ogra_> but had failures it didnt have on mako
[10:00] <asac> oSoMoN: we will retry webbrowser
[10:00] <asac> psivaa: can you do that?
[10:00] <psivaa> asac: tests for today's image have started to run
[10:01] <psivaa> asac: i'll re-run webbrowser if today's one fails too
[10:01] <asac> psivaa: ok
[10:03] <oSoMoN> asac: all the failing tests for camera-app seem to have this error message: Camera error: "Unable to connect to camera"
[10:04] <asac> ogra_: ^^ that feels like us?
[10:04] <asac> ogra_: did we change anything? when was the last test success there?
[10:05] <ogra_> asac, no idea when the last success was there, but rsalveti changed some bots on the android side iirc
[10:05] <ogra_> along with the switch to pulse
[10:05] <ogra_> s/bots/bits/
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <kokoye2007> hello
[10:07] <kokoye2007> where can check support CPU list
[10:11] <lool> dholbach: it's nice to be able to install new packages that were uploaded since friday  :-)
[10:11] <lool> I tried the lighbulb game
[10:11] <lool> works on read-only image
[10:11] <lool> there are a bunch of small bugs in the user experience, but it works
[10:11] <ogra_> kokoye2007, cortex A9 and above CPUs are supported by ubuntu touch
[10:12] <segastep> yey i have A9
[10:12] <ogra_> (technically you can run on A8 too, but single core wont be fun to use)
[10:16] <kokoye2007> thx ogra_
[10:16] <kokoye2007> MTK6589T is can't ?
[10:20] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-extras/+bug/1219765, can you please have a look?
[10:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: looking
[10:22] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: also filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-extras/+bug/1219766
[10:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: the first one is a good catch. the second one i noticed too but from looking into it for a while but IIRC could not find where the loop came from
[10:23] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: at least you can confirm it, right?
[10:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yeah
[10:23] <oSoMoN> thanks
[10:26] <jantjeman> hi guys, I've been testing ubuntu touch for a bit on my nexus 4 and last night the battery was almost empty so overnight my phone ran out of juice. I found it shut down this morning but now it doesn't do anything. If I try to boot the screen just stays black. I cannot even get into the bootloader. Do you guys have any idea what might by causing this? Thanks
[10:27] <ogra_> jantjeman, iirc you need to charge it for a while, then unplug the cable and hold all three buttons for 1min (not less !) to get it out of that state
[10:28] <jantjeman> ogra, thank you, I will try that right away!
[10:28] <ogra_> and also always use the wall charger
[10:28] <ogra_> a USB port will only provide 500mA, thats as much as the device draws
[10:29] <ogra_> (or nearly at least)
[10:31] <jantjeman> OK, I'm going to charge it for a while with the charger, it's always been plugged in to the computer. I'll get back to you if it works out OK.
[10:34] <popey> jantjeman: I've seen that too, needs a big fat charge
[10:35] <jantjeman> popey: OK, I'll leave it plugged in a couple of hours then :)
[10:39] <mamenyaka> diwic, how to set up priority for speaker to be greater then headset for apq... ?
[10:40] <diwic> mamenyaka, try adding "PlaybackPriority 200" in the "Value" section for speakers
[10:40] <diwic> mamenyaka, just below "PlaybackChannels"
[10:40] <diwic> ogra_, wanna upload another alsa-lib ?
[10:41] <mamenyaka> Value {
[10:41] <mamenyaka> 		PlaybackChannels "2"
[10:41] <mamenyaka> 		PlaybackPriority 200
[10:41] <mamenyaka> 	}
[10:41] <diwic> right
[10:41] <mamenyaka> or should it be "200" ?
[10:41] <diwic> "200" probably
[10:41] <diwic> I think both is okay actually
[10:42] <ogra_> diwic, a little later, yes
[10:43] <diwic> ogra_, yeah, no hurries. Just a little higher gain on the N4 speaker and N7 fixup
[10:43] <diwic> so nothing urgent
[10:43] <mamenyaka> diwic, great! thank you!
[10:45] <mamenyaka> diwic, can I MR this change?
[10:45] <mamenyaka> diwic, well, Music app is not working, when I pless play, it just ends in a fraction of a second
[10:46] <mamenyaka> diwic, but videos work with sound
[10:51] <diwic> mamenyaka, hmm, yes, I think we could merge an increase in priority
[10:51] <diwic> for speaker
[10:51] <diwic> mamenyaka, at least for now
[10:52] <mamenyaka> diwic, could you do it?
[10:52] <diwic> yes
[10:53] <mamenyaka> diwic, thank you! do you know anything about the Music app?
[10:53] <diwic> mamenyaka, it works here, I tested it this morning (N4, 0901.1 image)
[10:53] <mamenyaka> diwic, logcat shows nothing
[10:54] <mamenyaka> diwic, it worked like a week ago with the same file
[10:54] <mamenyaka> diwic, any way I could degub?
[10:54] <diwic> mamenyaka, mp3 files do not work by default
[10:54] <mamenyaka> oh
[10:54] <diwic> it isn't an mp3 file?
[10:54] <mamenyaka> it's an mp3 file
[10:54] <mamenyaka> that explains
[10:54] <ogra_> try ogg
[10:54] <diwic> patents and stuff
[10:56] <mamenyaka> ogg working fine, thank you
[10:57] <ax562> hello
[10:58] <mamenyaka> ogra_, do you have any idea why the sintel video laggs like hell, but other work fine?
[10:58] <ogra_> because that coded runs software rendered atm
[10:58] <ogra_> will change this week once the new gstreamer stuff lands
[10:58] <ogra_> *codec
[11:00] <mamenyaka> ogra_, great!
[11:00] <mamenyaka> diwic, thank you for all your help!
[11:01] <ax562> anyone use eclipse?
[11:02] <diwic> mamenyaka, what's the name of the device with the apq sound card?
[11:02] <mamenyaka> Sony Xperia Tablet Z
[11:03] <diwic> mamenyaka, ok, playbackprioirty merge is in, will be in next alsa-lib upload
[11:03] <mamenyaka> diwic, thank you
[11:03] <diwic> yw
[11:04] <mamenyaka> will there be a 09-02.1 image?
[11:04] <ogra_> at 8pm UTC, yes
[11:05] <ogra_> (unless asac cracks the whip to have it manually built earlier)
[11:07] <psivaa> asac: oSoMoN: ogra_: the webbrowser tests in maguro are still failing. http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3916/webbrowser-app-autopilot/
[11:07] <psivaa> i'm rerunning it again but this failure seems consistent
[11:08] <mamenyaka> ogra_, thank you, I will test the change, just to be sure
[11:08] <oSoMoN> psivaa: they’re not failing, they’re not even running…
[11:08] <mamenyaka> anyone watching? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2qOhDloy2w
[11:10] <oSoMoN> gusch, nerochiaro: would one of you be available for a trivial review? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/increase-test-timeout/+merge/183425
[11:11] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[11:11] <psivaa> oSoMoN: the are running in fact but the results are not getting collected for some reason: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-webbrowser-app-autopilot/108/consoleText
[11:11] <dholbach> lool, it is :)
[11:11] <ogra_> psivaa, funnily it passed on the last mako run
[11:12] <psivaa> ogra_: not only in the last one, on mako it was passing even before. the failure is only seen in maguro
[11:13] <oSoMoN> psivaa, ogra_: and they consistently pass locally on my maguro device
[11:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it looks good to me, but I am not really sure what happens if the environment gets even slower
[11:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: sounds like keeping things together with duct tape ;)
[11:14] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: well then every single autopilot test out there will fail, for all applications :)
[11:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: so why your app needs a longer timeout and the others don't ?
[11:15] <nerochiaro> shouldn't they all fail already ?
[11:15] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: because one of the tests requests loading a page that takes 8 seconds to load (by design), so that leaves only 2 seconds for the rest of the test to succeed, and in slow environments that might be a bit to short
[11:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: with this change, the test now has 12 seconds, more than enough
[11:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: excellent. approved
[11:19] <nerochiaro> rachelliu: good morning, can I ask you a question about the camera app ? or should I refer to another designer for that ?
[11:19] <rachelliu> nerochiaro: hi! christina is working on the camera app
[11:19] <rachelliu> nerochiaro: what's the question? I can see if I have a quick answer!
[11:19] <christina> hey nerochiaro :)
[11:20] <christina> nerochiaro, how can i help?
[11:20] <nerochiaro> christina: rachelliu: i spent some time looking into this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1129132 but it seems that it's really hard to do what is requested there. so i was wondering if there was an alternative way
[11:21] <christina> nerochiaro, i will take a look
[11:21] <nerochiaro> christina: thank you :)
[11:21] <christina> nerochiaro, as im picking this app up now, is this when you rotate the chrome disappears and then re-appear?
[11:21] <nerochiaro> christina: yes, exactly
[11:22] <christina> nerochiaro, ok :)
[11:23] <christina> nerochiaro, do the chromes need to rotate to fit into landscape too?
[11:23] <christina> for example
[11:23] <christina> or stay the same?
[11:24] <ogra_> on my samsung phone the UI elements stay in tehir position but the icons rotate to match the screen rotation
[11:24] <ogra_> (in android)
[11:24] <nerochiaro> christina: the icons inside the toolbar rotate, everything else just shifts between the two short edges
[11:24] <nerochiaro> (top/bottom)
[11:25] <ogra_> nerochiaro, would you want the bar to move to the bottom in landscape too ?
[11:26] <christina> nerochiaro, it seems weird to have the zoom in/zoom out not part of the toolbar as it is in portrait
[11:26] <ogra_> i thnk that makes pressing the shutter button a lot harder
[11:26] <nerochiaro> ogra_: the yes, it is by design that none of the bars move to the right/left sides. they always stay either at top or at bottom side
[11:27] <ogra_> well, in case of the cameria i think it makes sense to keep the shutter at the side
[11:27] <ogra_> (in landscape that is)
[11:27] <nerochiaro> christina: it was designed that way to make it easier to use, because when the phone is in landscape it is normally held with two hands
[11:27] <nerochiaro> christina: ogra_: so basically with one hand you operate the zoom and with the other the shutter
[11:28] <ogra_> yeah
[11:28] <ogra_> i think that makes sense
[11:28] <christina> nerochiaro,  have we tried just making the toolbars stay visible when we switch? we can test if moving from bottom to top/bottom between orientation is too much
[11:29] <nerochiaro> christina: you mean trying to have the bars visibly slide around the screen ?
[11:29] <nerochiaro> christina: that should be doable, i'll give it a shot
[11:29] <christina> nerochiaro, yes
[11:30] <nerochiaro> christina: ok, i'll try and let you know
[11:30]  * ogra_ doesnt think thats a good idea
[11:30] <christina> nerochiaro, and if we think when rotating is too much distortion we can try something else then
[11:30] <nerochiaro> christina: sounds good. thanks
[11:30] <ogra_> unlesss you probably have the shutter button in a corner
[11:30] <nerochiaro> ogra_: why not ?
[11:31] <diwic> rsalveti, last week you asked me to look into the volume hotkeys. I'm not sure how that's expected to work on the phone. On the desktop, it passes through gnome-settings-daemon, which is not running on the phone.
[11:31] <ogra_> nerochiaro, well, currently the shutter button stays at the same place on the screen ... physically ... if you start flipping the bar it will change position ... you wont find it blindly while atm you can (roughly)
[11:32] <christina> nerochiaro, cool. let me know how you go then!
[11:32] <ogra_> i think it iss easier if the one really iportant button does not change its physical position in this case
[11:33] <ogra_> (i dont care about settings and the like at all, if i need to use these i'm not taking a snapshot, in snapshot mode i would like to trust my finger memory for quick actions)
[11:33] <nerochiaro> ogra_: it will have to change position when you rotate the phone 180
[11:33] <seb128> ogra_, can you get ubuntu-touch-settings added to the touch image?
[11:34] <ogra_> seb128, yep
[11:34] <ogra_> (you can too, as every core dev can :) )
[11:34] <nerochiaro> ogra_: sorry, i meant when you rotate between landscape and portrait
[11:34] <seb128> ogra_, thanks ;-)
[11:34] <nerochiaro> ogra_: basically: in landscape the button is always on the right of the screen. in portrait it is always on the bottom of the screen.
[11:34] <seb128> ogra_, (yeah, I just don't have a checkout/didn't do it for a while, if it's easy for you to do I would appreciate you doing it)
[11:34] <ogra_> nerochiaro, well, today the button stays where it is ... same position on the screen, no matter how you rotate
[11:35] <ogra_> np
[11:35] <nerochiaro> ogra_: i think we're saying the same thing
[11:35] <ogra_> nerochiaro, right, it is always Xmm from the bottom of the case and in the center of the screen ... physicallz
[11:35] <ogra_> k
[11:35] <nerochiaro> ogra_: yeah, so you can always find it blind
[11:35] <ogra_> right
[11:36] <nerochiaro> ogra_: and christina's suggestion won't change things, it will only add a small delay while the button transitions on rotation
[11:36] <oSoMoN> psivaa: I strongly suspect the tests are failing because the device they’re being run on is in landscape mode, is there a way to verify that?
[11:36] <ogra_> i'm saying i wouldnt change that, you sounded like you wanted to change it
[11:36] <ogra_> oh, then ignore me :)(
[11:36] <ogra_> :)
[11:37]  * ogra_ totally misunderstood the intentions :)
[11:38] <psivaa> oSoMoN: i'll need to check if there is any test to indicate that. but what i see is that the webbrowser test is timing out. it's not able to complete all the tests within 30 mins
[11:38] <annerajb> hello
[11:38] <psivaa> oSoMoN: i see unity8 is taking up CPU resources during the run
[11:38] <annerajb> ogra_, you there?
[11:39] <psivaa> oSoMoN: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6054864/
[11:40] <oSoMoN> weird…
[11:41] <annerajb> ogra_, cat /proc/cmdline
[11:41] <annerajb>  console=ttySAC2 no_console_suspend=1 --verbose -v INIT_VERBOSE=yes datapart=/dev
[11:41] <annerajb> console=ttySAC2 no_console_suspend=1 --verbose -v INIT_VERBOSE=yes datapart=/dev
[11:41] <annerajb> ahhh it keeps getting cut off
[11:42] <annerajb> ogra_, here http://pastebin.com/d91CL4zg does that cmdline look right?
[11:43] <mpt> tvoss, "an mpt server implementation is available"? That sounds scary.
[11:43] <lool> stgraber: Ok, tested latest daily-proposed -> latest daily-barry (going down in version numbers, required cmdline with -b 0); now testing daily-barry's -1 -> daily-barry's latest
[11:43] <tvoss> mpt, sorry :) I keep on confusing those three letters :)
[11:43] <ogra_> annerajb, sure
[11:44] <psivaa> oSoMoN: the unity8 impact is seen in some other tests as well: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-mediaplayer-app-autopilot/103/artifact/clientlogs/top_after.log/*view*/
[11:45] <oSoMoN> psivaa: is the unity8 team aware of the issue?
[11:46] <psivaa> oSoMoN: not really sure.
[11:49] <annerajb> ogra_, i dont see any upstart debug views on the ttySAC2 do i need to do the /etc/init/tty1.conf to be able to see that??
[11:51] <ogra_> seb128, what about ubuntu-system-settings ... are they different things ?
[11:51] <seb128> ogra_, ubuntu-system-settings is the settings app (control center)
[11:51] <ogra_> and touch settings are defaults ?
[11:52] <seb128> ogra_, yes, a schemas override to have a different unity launcher config
[11:52] <ogra_> ok
[11:52] <ogra_> should that probably also ship the XDG stuff from above ?
[11:52] <seb128> it's a bit trickier, those files are in the user directory
[11:52] <ogra_> or should that rather go into the session package ?
[11:52] <OrokuSaki> I had to edit default.pa and uncomment alsa-sink
[11:53] <OrokuSaki> @mamenyaka
[11:53] <seb128> so they can't be shipped from a deb
[11:53] <annerajb> ogra_, here is the serial output are those sys_prop denied message deal breakers? or are they more like warnings http://pastebin.com/eCVLVLWC
[11:53] <OrokuSaki> mornng ogra
[11:53] <ogra_> annerajb, nope, the tty1 upstart job is only for firing up a getty on the tty
[11:53] <seb128> ogra_, ideally we would have an upstart job or something creating those on login if they don't exist, or maybe the session script can do that
[11:53] <seb128> ogra_, same as having .local/share created
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> ogra@ I have been trying like crazy to rotate the camera image preview 90 degrees... Is there a way to do this with the camera app? etc?
[11:54] <ogra_> seb128, right, so the session package then
[11:54] <seb128> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1204599
[11:54] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, rotates fine on the nexus devices
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> Something to do with qcom
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> I am using cameraHAL
[11:54] <ogra_> seb128, oh, so we already started a collection of bugs it seems :)
[11:55] <seb128> ogra_, yeah...
[11:55] <OrokuSaki> camera controls rotate with the compass
[11:55] <OrokuSaki> I get really confused between the accel and compass
[11:55] <OrokuSaki> I know what a compass does
[11:56] <OrokuSaki> accel... like a gyroscope?
[11:56] <annerajb> ogra_, so that means i have to do something to get serial output from upstart? i tried copying tty1.conf and renaming getty tty1 to getty ttySAC2 but it didnt work
[11:56] <OrokuSaki> anyways... maybe this will help. #define APP_ORIENTATION 90 to #define APP_ORIENTATION 0
[11:56] <OrokuSaki> in my QualcommCameraHardware.cpp
[11:56] <OrokuSaki> grrr!
[11:58] <ogra_> annerajb, no, yuo shouldnt need to do anything, it shuld just write to the console device you defined
[12:00] <annerajb> ogra_, i did something the other day that printed more debug output (like return value of commands on the init screen) dont remember how i think it's the INIT_VERBOSE=yes it worked when i had a different cmdline order
[12:00] <annerajb> ogra_, btw that cmdline is not using the extend patch since that breaks my phone everytime i use it.
[12:05] <ogra_> annerajb, did you yrt with using console=ttySAC2 for the second console arg ?
[12:05] <ogra_> *try
[12:05] <annerajb> both saying the same thing?
[12:06] <ogra_> also make sure that devtmpfs and devtmpfs mount are enabled in the config so that /dev gets populated as early as possible
[12:06] <ogra_> yes, both saying the same thing
[12:10] <ogra_> ? Unknown touch package: ubuntu-touch-settings
[12:10] <ogra_> [armhf] Merging seeds with available package lists...
[12:10] <ogra_> No changes found
[12:10] <ogra_> seb128, is that still in NEW or some such ? ^^
[12:11] <asac> psivaa: very odd
[12:11] <asac> wonder what is diffrerent in webbrowser than other apps
[12:11] <asac> i guess retrying until we get some type of result might be the idea for now
[12:11] <asac> :)
[12:12] <ogra_> it loads pages from external servers
[12:12] <ogra_> i.e. it is relying on responses from there
[12:12] <asac> ogra_: but nothing got run really
[12:12] <asac> at least there is like zero logs etc.
[12:12] <seb128> ogra_, it's in proposed, Laney big beta1 block (and buggy firefox autopkgtest)
[12:12] <seb128> Laney, can we get ubuntu-settings unblocked (that's only adding a new binary for touch)
[12:12] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:13] <asac> let me try running locally i guess
[12:13] <seb128> Laney, can we force over the buggy firefox autopkgtest while we are at it? ;-)
[12:13] <asac> oh we have an intro OOBE thingy now
[12:13] <asac> swipe screen :)
[12:13] <ogra_> since a week ?
[12:13] <ogra_> :)
[12:13] <asac> ogra_: no... it surely was never there
[12:14] <asac> i ran --pending on thu/friday i think
[12:14] <ogra_> i think i have seen it since wed. or so
[12:14] <asac> who knows, maybe its not reliably happening
[12:14] <ogra_> it happens every new flash since
[12:14] <ogra_> for me at least
[12:15] <asac> ok will keep my eyes open i guess
[12:17] <lool> stgraber: ok, upgrade worked within daily-barry
[12:18] <lool> stgraber: the only thing I expected and didn't happen is using cmdline to start the update when versions go down; I thought barry would hardcode this
[12:21] <asac> oSoMoN: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6054976/
[12:21] <asac> thats what i get if i run it locally
[12:22] <oSoMoN> asac: the [Errno 32] traceback is a known issue in python (fixed in python 3), it has no impact on the tests
[12:22] <asac> oSoMoN: what about the 404?
[12:22] <oSoMoN> asac: no impact either, it’s because the engine is requesting a favicon, which the test server doesn’t have
[12:23] <asac> oSoMoN: OK ... how about : Sep  2 11:27:10 ubuntu-phablet utah: 11:27:10.779 WARNING testcase:115 - No tracing available - install the python-autopilot-trace package!
[12:23] <asac> ?
[12:24] <oSoMoN> asac: don’t know, I would say it’s more of an informative message than an error, you’ll probably see the same for all tests, unless python-autopilot-trace is installed
[12:24] <diwic> unity8 takes a lot of cpu here
[12:24] <asac> Sep  2 11:09:57 ubuntu-phablet utah: 11:09:57.895 ERROR proxies:410 - Introspect error on :1.68:/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject: No such object path '/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection'
[12:25] <oSoMoN> that one is clearly an autopilot issue
[12:25]  * diwic tries rebooting
[12:25] <psivaa> asac: the webbrowser tests on maguro have been run 3 times with today's images and failed. they all timeout after 30 mins
[12:28] <asac> psivaa: when you rerun, does it do a complete reinstall?
[12:29] <psivaa> asac: no, installation is on another test : install-and-boot
[12:29] <asac> psivaa: so if we retry a job it will run against whatever was last installed on the device>?
[12:30] <asac> psivaa: can you trigger a reinstall and then rerun the webbrowser?
[12:30] <asac> not sure if that works
[12:30] <psivaa> asac: ok, it should work. ill retry that
[12:30] <asac> cool
[12:30] <asac> doanac: ^^ lets discuss the case above when you are up
[12:33] <asac> doanac: also want to discuss how to refine the way we log and export results
[12:33] <jantjeman> Hi everyone, I've left my phone charging for 2 hours now and pressed the 3 buttons for 1 minute to try and boot the phone multiple times, but it hasn't worked yet. Does it take longer than 2 hours? Or should I start worrying now? :)
[12:34] <asac> jantjeman: i think it was 1 minute power button
[12:34] <asac> not all 3
[12:34] <asac> but maybe i misremember
[12:36] <jantjeman> ok, I'll try that :)
[12:36] <jantjeman> thank you
[12:38] <jantjeman> hmm, not do anything, I'll just leave it a couple more hours and check if it works again then.
[12:46] <ejat> elo … anyone know where i can refer / use presentation slide for ubuntu edge / ubuntu touch ?
[12:49] <ejat> ?
[13:02] <annerajb> ejat, what do you mean?
[13:02] <ejat> introduction … features …
[13:03] <ejat> so i can use as reference for my slide
[13:18] <Laney> seb128: ok, and firefox is already unblocked by cjwatson as you can see in excuses
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[13:19] <Laney> if nobody is going to work on fixing those tests they should be removed though
[13:19] <Laney> otherwise it's just pointless work updating the version every time
[13:19] <seb128> right
[13:23] <darpax> hi guys i was here last week trying to get installed on a nexus7 3G - I'm getting the following in the dmesg on bootup "initrd: Couldn't find data partition. Spawning adbd ..." this is a pre-2013 tilapia device
[13:28] <annerajb> ogra_, http://pastebin.com/qHyGX4n1 the init is crashing??
[13:29] <ogra_> annerajb, 402
[13:29] <lool> ogra_: hey, Mir images aren't on cdimage?
[13:29] <ogra_> (line)
[13:29] <lool> ogra_: would you know why?
[13:29] <ogra_> lool, they are on jenkins (like all test images)
[13:30] <annerajb> ogra_, i had that warning since i started never gone away
[13:30] <ogra_> lool, jenkins hackery is quicker and less effort yo set up i think
[13:30] <ogra_> for these short living test images thats a good way imho
[13:31] <annerajb> ogra_, could that mean a problem with the /dev/?
[13:31] <lool> ogra_: ok
[13:31] <lool> ogra_: was curious if that was the only reason
[13:31] <ogra_> annerajb, with the console device
[13:31] <annerajb> maybe it's missing a mknode /dev/ttySAC2
[13:31] <ogra_> lool, we did the same with the pulse images before merging the new audio stack
[13:31] <lool> ogra_: and do we have a phablet-tools image type for them?
[13:31] <ogra_> annerajb, no, devtmpfs would take care
[13:31] <lool> ogra_: yeah; I think it's good not to make them too confortable
[13:32] <psivaa> asac: the webbrowser test on maguro had the same timeout issue even after a fresh install.
[13:32] <ogra_> thats why i asked you to make surte it is enabled (as well as devtmpfs moount)
[13:32] <annerajb> ogra_, well devtmpfs is already enabled and moutn too. on the config.
[13:32] <psivaa> this was the state of the device just before it timed out (after 27 mins in to the running) : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6055164/
[13:32] <ogra_> lool, i think we do, but dont ask me whats the name :)
[13:32] <ogra_> psivaa, was the fix that oSoMoN landed above ?
[13:33] <ogra_> (which extended the timeout)
[13:33] <ogra_> *was that with the
[13:33] <psivaa> ogra_: i dont think so, it timed out after 30 mins which was the original value
[13:34] <ogra_> annerajb, hack something in that dumps "ls -l /dev" to /proc/kmsg ...
[13:34] <ogra_> psivaa, oh, probably a different timeout :)
[13:34] <psivaa> ogra_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-test-runlists/touch-runlists/view/head:/jenkins/job-creation/templates/touch-autopilot-base.xml.jinja2 still says 30 mins
[13:34] <lool> ogra_: do I understand correctly that the Mir images are private: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Mir ?
[13:34] <ogra_> 30 min for getting a website seems a bit high
[13:34] <lool> (s-jenkins)
[13:34] <annerajb> ogra_, where should i place it in the initrd of the init before it runs exec on upstart?
[13:35] <ogra_> lool, that could well be, i never used them
[13:35] <lool> ok, thanks
[13:35] <oSoMoN> ogra_: the fix that I landed today is not related, it was just a general-purpose enhancement, but I don’t expect it to make a difference in the failures we are seeing
[13:35] <ogra_> (i guess i will have to once the merge is near)
[13:35] <psivaa> ogra_: the 30 min timeout is for the whole suite with 38 tests
[13:35] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yeah, understood
[13:36] <ogra_> psivaa, right, i mixed that up
[13:38] <asac> psivaa: maybe the webbrowser test just takes longer?
[13:38] <ogra_> xnox, do you know anything thats faster than "find /" to get a list of all files in the filesystem ?
[13:38] <psivaa> asac: on mako it finishes in 21 mins
[13:39] <ogra_> mako has twice the power of maguro ;)
[13:39] <asac> psivaa: whats our timeout?
[13:39] <psivaa> asac: 30 mins
[13:39] <asac> psivaa: we should at least give it 40 min
[13:39] <ogra_> 45
[13:39] <asac> psivaa: lets wait... i wam running this stuff locally
[13:40] <psivaa> asac: ack
[13:40] <xnox> ogra_: i know dlocate, but that's cheating as it needs a cache.
[13:40] <ogra_> yeah
[13:41] <asac> xnox: ho
[13:41] <asac> xnox: how is emulator going? :)
[13:42] <xnox> asac: working on a few projects/task simultaneously at the moment. no breakthroughs yet.
[13:42] <asac> xnox: what projects?
[13:42] <xnox> asac: things for the sdk and stuff that came out of vUDS.
[13:45] <sergiusens> cjwatson: can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click/older/+merge/183466 ?
[13:47] <mhall119> cjwatson: is the Path= that is added to the .dekstop file for click packages also supposed to be used for Icon lookup?
[13:47] <mhall119> it seems that right now developers have to have the full /opt/click.ubuntu.com/blahblahblah/image.png path
[13:47] <sergiusens> mhall119: the path to the icon gets set by the desktop hook
[13:48] <mhall119> sergiusens: it doesn't seem to
[13:48] <sergiusens> mhall119: I just proposed an MR to fix that
[13:48] <sergiusens> mhall119: right above you comment
[13:48] <sergiusens> your*
[13:48] <mhall119> ah ha, nice
[13:48] <mhall119> you're fast :)
[13:48] <sergiusens> mhall119: saw the issue with sudoku and stock ticker
[13:50] <mhall119> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click/older/+merge/183466 is the MP to fix it?
[13:50] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Can you revert the first hunk?  "iff" is standard mathematical shorthand for "if and only if"
[13:50] <cjwatson> It's not a typo
[13:50] <sergiusens> cjwatson: yeah, sorry about that
[13:50] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Good call otherwise though, I'll merge once you fix that
[13:52] <sergiusens> cjwatson: done
[13:55] <cjwatson> sergiusens: merged/uploaded, thanks
[13:55] <sergiusens> np
[14:16] <mzanetti> dholbach: huh? the ubuntu touch software store is online?
[14:16] <mzanetti> dholbach: does that mean I can really start uploading apps?
[14:16] <RobbyF> yup
[14:16] <RobbyF> and i can download them :)
[14:18] <dholbach> mzanetti, http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/08/software-store-for-click-packages-now-open-for-testing/
[14:18] <RobbyF> It wild be cool if someone made a G+ app like the Gmail app.
[14:18] <RobbyF> I assume someone with skill could do it very fast.
[14:19]  * mzanetti won't spend any spare time G* stuff
[14:19] <mzanetti> :P
[14:19] <mzanetti> but I will upload lots of other stuff probably very soon
[14:21] <popey> yay
[14:23] <asac> psivaa: can we try the webbrowser on 02 with a bit more timeout?
[14:23] <asac> just in case?
[14:23]  * asac  not sure if we did that
[14:24] <cking> hrm, where is the clock-app on today's maguro image? it's no where to be seen
[14:26] <annerajb> ogra_, what is suppose to ls -l dev > /proc/kmsg do? I tried doing that on recovery and it dosnt show up on dmesg
[14:26] <psivaa> asac: i am running a copied version of the webbrowser test with 45 mins timeout. (did not edit the job config of the original one because that's setup automatically)
[14:26] <annerajb> ogra_, it didnt work by adding it to the init it didnt print anything
[14:27] <ogra_> annerajb, well you would want /dev
[14:27] <annerajb> right i have /dev
[14:27] <asac> psivaa: cool
[14:27] <ogra_> (not above though :) )
[14:27] <annerajb> yeah sorry
[14:27] <asac> psivaa: so we have a jenkins job to try out. nice
[14:27] <ogra_> annerajb, also was that /proc/kmsg or /dev/kmsg ?
[14:27]  * ogra_ cant remember
[14:28] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: hey, I just submitted a trivial MR against calendar-app, would you have a moment to review it? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-ap-test-assumption/+merge/183476
[14:28] <annerajb> ogra_, i have ls -l /dev > /proc/kmsg at the bottom of the initrd init before the exec
[14:28] <ogra_> annerajb, theoretically it should dump the listing of /dev nto dmesg
[14:28] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN, sure :)
[14:28] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: awesome, thanks!
[14:29] <annerajb> ogra_, right but it's not printing
[14:30] <sergiusens> cking: it's there, search it or unfold installed apps
[14:32] <cking> sergiusens, doh, i didn't see the unfold
[14:34] <sergiusens> cking: many got hit by this, this was in the shell before, removed now seems to be added back in
[14:35] <cking> sergiusens, well, it guess it's a "discoverability" issue :-)
[14:42] <asac> ogra_: for me webbrowser on maguro takes 12 min
[14:42] <asac> with 4 failyures
[14:42] <asac> guess thats matching what we see on mako
[14:49] <rsalveti> diwic: I don't think bug 1204434 is a duplicate of 1219057
[14:50] <rsalveti> diwic: the first one was just about volume not working in the indicator
[14:50] <rsalveti> the other one (bug 1219057) is an issue in unity, because of the old indicator, breaking the volume keys up/down
[14:51] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN, I tested it, but it doesn't work also after I clean the db
[14:51] <diwic> rsalveti, which one is about the physical keys on the side?
[14:51] <rsalveti> diwic: so yeah, the issue is not on our side, it's in unity8
[14:51] <rsalveti> just bug 1219057
[14:51] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN, before clean db -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6055434/
[14:51] <rsalveti> the other one (bug 1204434) was about sound not working in the indicator, which I had before as well
[14:52] <rsalveti> you changed volume in there, but it wasn't affecting it for real
[14:52] <rsalveti> which got fixed once we move to pulseaudio
[14:52] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN, after clean db -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6055438/
[14:52] <rsalveti> the indicator works just fine now, the problem is just with the volume keys
[14:52] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: yeah, I’ve seen the failure for the CI job too, I pushed an update, can you check this one?
[14:54] <ogra_> asac, yeah
[14:54] <WebbyIT> sure
[14:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: the camera was working fine last friday iirc
[14:55] <rsalveti> flashing latest to see
[14:58] <rsalveti> ogra_: seems the failures are only with nexus 7, right?
[14:58] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah
[14:59] <rsalveti> will check, but it never worked that well with it
[14:59] <rsalveti> at least it seems fine with mako and maguro
[14:59] <rsalveti> but one interesting thing is that recording is not working anymore
[14:59] <rsalveti> but the test passed :-)
[14:59] <ogra_> hmm, bank holiday for the US today ?
[14:59] <ogra_> do we do a standup ?
[14:59] <rsalveti> labor day afaik
[14:59] <ogra_> yeah
[14:59] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm on
[14:59] <rsalveti> yup, quick one
[15:02] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN, it works only after I delete the db, is it ok?
[15:05] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: it shouldn’t really matter, can you please comment about your findings in the MR? I’ll take a closer look later
[15:05] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN, sure
[15:06] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[15:10] <rsalveti> diwic: will you push the pulseaudio bump in the archive?
[15:12] <diwic> rsalveti, yes
[15:13] <rsalveti> awesome, thanks
[15:13] <diwic> rsalveti, that's just making a new version and uploading it, right?
[15:13] <rsalveti> diwic: yeah
[15:15] <sergiusens> jdstrand: you around?
[15:16] <sergiusens> jdstrand: I think this is what caused the issue i mentioned on friday
[15:16] <sergiusens> jdstrand: open("/vendor/lib/egl/libGLES_mali.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) ...
[15:17] <beuno> sergiusens, it's a national holiday in the US
[15:17] <sergiusens> that's with aa-exec
[15:19] <AskUbuntu> is ubuntu touch available for xolo phones? | http://askubuntu.com/q/340463
[15:24] <sergiusens> beuno thougth there might of been a slight chance of him not taking it :-)
[15:24]  * sergiusens emails
[15:25] <mhall119> beuno: https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1219876
[15:27] <mhall119> bzoltan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1219877
[15:28] <bzoltan> mhall119:  :) it would be nice to receive these click app naming policies in one bundle :) But I will fix it
[15:32] <xnox> Mirv: I'm rebuilding qtbase-opensource-src locally and I'm getting: .obj/release-shared/qfilesystemwatcher.o: In function `QFileSystemWatcherPrivate::createNativeEngine(QObject*)':
[15:32] <xnox> /home/xnox/canonical/qtbase-opensource-src-5.0.2+dfsg1/src/corelib/io/qfilesystemwatcher.cpp:76: undefined reference to `QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::create(QObject*)'
[15:32] <xnox> /home/xnox/canonical/qtbase-opensource-src-5.0.2+dfsg1/src/corelib/io/qfilesystemwatcher.cpp:76: undefined reference to `QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::create(QObject*)'
[15:32] <xnox> Mirv: yet last upload did build everywhere in launchpad. Any idea what's going on?
[15:35] <mhall119> thanks bzoltan, if I knew all of the rules I'd include them all for you, but I don't :)
[15:36] <bzoltan> mhall119:  No worries :) I am prepared to deal with changes like this
[15:39] <beuno> mhall119, thanks!
[15:44] <mhall119> beuno: I'm preparing a new package
[15:45] <beuno> mhall119, DO YOUR WORST
[15:45] <mhall119> beuno: I can't change the App package name in the new MyApps
[15:45] <beuno> ah
[15:46] <beuno> let me check something
[15:46] <mhall119> I can change the Application Name, but not the packag ename
[15:46] <mhall119> and changing the application name to all lower-case (which I don't want to do) doesn't update the package name to be all lower case (which I *do* want to do)
[15:47] <beuno> mhall119, I'll see if it's a bug and change it for you
[15:48] <beuno> mhall119, yeah, once you upload you're stuck, which is reasonable I think
[15:48] <beuno> I'll change it for you
[15:48] <mhall119> I can't seem up upload my new package either...
[15:48] <beuno> mhall119, why not?
[15:49] <mhall119> dunno, it counts down "second remaining" and stops at 0
[15:49] <mhall119> but then does nothing
[15:49] <beuno> mhall119, ah, I see someone else is stuck in the same place. Do you have something to debug what's happening to the request?
[15:49] <mhall119> ah, third (or fifth) time's the charm, it uploaded
[15:50] <beuno> mhall119, ah, then it's a known issue we're having (and fixing today)
[15:50] <mhall119> I never saw any errors or anything in previous attempts
[15:51]  * beuno nods
[15:51] <beuno> mhall119, changed that package name for you
[15:51] <mhall119> bzoltan: is there a bug for the fact that hidden files and directories (like .bzr) are being included in click packages?
[15:51] <mhall119> thanks beuno
[15:51] <netcurli> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1214628
[15:52] <mhall119> beuno: I manually set the full Icon= path too, so hopefully 0.9.1 is good to go now
[15:52] <mhall119> thanks netcurli
[15:55] <gusch> seb128: ping
[15:58] <seb128> gusch, hey
[15:59] <gusch> seb128: any idea why/if mako has an old package of ubuntu-extras?
[16:00] <asac> ogra_: can we somewhat set the CPU to a low frequency state?
[16:00] <asac> ogra_: force it during testing?
[16:01] <asac> in hope that thermal throttling is going away and our overall timeout thing becomes more predictable
[16:01] <asac> ogra_: is it "just" enabling powersave govenor?
[16:02] <asac> or mayube disabling all governors and forcing low freq?
[16:02] <seb128> gusch, no idea, try asking ogra_ maybe ... what image do you use?
[16:03] <gusch> seb128: the problem is on jenkins ...
[16:03] <seb128> gusch, oh? url?
[16:03] <gusch> seb128: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/426/testReport/junit/gallery_app.tests.test_album_view/TestAlbumView/test_album_view_open_photo_with_touch_/
[16:03] <beuno> mhall119, you are live
[16:04] <seb128> gusch, is there a fix that landed since and that you need or...?
[16:04] <mhall119> \o/
[16:06] <gusch> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-ui-extras/friends0.2/+merge/182895
[16:06] <gusch> ups - just saw I was chatting with sil2100 about that issue, not you - sorry
[16:07] <seb128> gusch, no worry, but that fix landed in saucy last week: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148752827/ubuntu-ui-extras_0.1%2B13.10.20130821.1-0ubuntu1_0.1%2B13.10.20130829-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[16:08] <sil2100> seb128, gusch: yes, that's what I was saying earlier
[16:08] <gusch> seb128: yes, but still, sometimes jenkins fails on mako because of that bug
[16:08] <gusch> sil2100: ^
[16:08] <sil2100> This fix was in, but I still didn't get an answer from the QA guys what version of ubuntu-ui-extras is installed on the mediumtests
[16:08] <sil2100> But I guess it's using the fixed one
[16:08] <sil2100> gusch: is it possible that it's some different issue?
[16:09] <gusch> sil2100: well - one time it worked today, and 3 times it didn't
[16:09] <gusch> sil2100: it always and only fails on mako
[16:09] <seb128> gusch, sil2100: what is bringing ui-extra in?
[16:09] <seb128> Depends: gallery-app (>= 0.0.67+13.10.20130829.1-0ubuntu1), libautopilot-qt, libqt5test5, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot
[16:09] <seb128> shouldn't the gallery autopilot package depends on it if it needs it?
[16:10] <seb128> gusch, sil2100: to me it looks like you are missing a depends, I'm surprised it works at all
[16:10] <seb128> it probably works by luck on some machines with non cleaned status
[16:10] <mhall119> hmmm, apps scopes keep failing on me
[16:11] <gusch> seb128: gallery needs it, and gallery has the dependency - I don't see an issue here
[16:11] <beuno> mhall119, on download?
[16:12] <mhall119> beuno: no, on searching
[16:12] <mhall119> it's like things get stuck
[16:12] <beuno> ah
[16:12] <mhall119> I clear the search, but it doesn't reload the dash results
[16:12] <beuno> that's an alecu thing then
[16:13] <seb128> gusch, if you need the current version you should depends on >=
[16:15] <mhall119> beuno: after installing, I don't have the /current/ folder, just /0.9.1/ in /opt/
[16:16] <mhall119> and my .desktop wasn't installed :(
[16:16] <beuno> mhall119, that would be more of a cjwatson question
[16:16] <gusch> seb128: I depend on almost every package on a pretty new version - but I could add that here just to get it integrated somehow
[16:16]  * beuno dodges left and right
[16:19] <ogra_> asac, you need to do that based on what android uses ... ondemand on mako will for example make the device not behave well
[16:19] <mhall119> gah, stuck again
[16:20] <mhall119> alecu: how can I debug scope problems?  After I search I can't "unsearch"
[16:21] <ogra_> asac, i think powersave and performance might work, but that also would require testing, usually the BSP kernels are built around the preferred governor, ignoring all the others 9or if we break the others)
[16:21] <mhall119> hmmm, this may go beyond scopes...
[16:21] <mhall119> http://ubuntuone.com/4v3fUxUPkTDGzqOyGRC4Ha Unity doesn't see any apps at all
[16:25] <cjwatson> mhall119: That means that click crashed somewhere in the middle of the install
[16:25] <cjwatson> mhall119: I would need an example I can reproduce
[16:26] <mhall119> cjwatson: try https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119/uReadIt/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.uReadIt-0.9.1.click?noauth=1
[16:27] <mhall119> the 0.9.1 directory in /opt/ is empty too
[16:27] <mhall119> so it's like it's not even unpacking it
[16:28] <seb128> gusch, otherwise wait on fginther and co to have a look, but it's an holiday in the U.S today so it's going to be for tomorrow
[16:28] <mhall119> cjwatson: beuno: here's my unity-scope-click.log
[16:28] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6055750/
[16:29] <cjwatson> Unfortunately that's no use due to bug 1218483
[16:30] <cjwatson>  error setting ownership of symlink `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.ureadit/0.9.1/debug/hot.json.dpkg-new': Operation not permitted
[16:30] <cjwatson> is the actual failure here
[16:30] <mhall119> I had just dist-upgraded the phone too, so everything is latest
[16:31] <mhall119> dang, ./debug/ isn't even needed
[16:31] <cjwatson> well, it's not anything especially specific to that path
[16:31] <cjwatson> it's probably a bug in the preload library; investigating
[16:33] <mhall119> it's strange because the symlink it pointing to another file in the same directory, both with the same permissions
[16:33] <cjwatson> Not relevant
[16:33] <mhall119> ok
[16:34] <cjwatson> click has a preload library that it uses to ensure that the low-level unpack operation can't evilly overwrite other files
[16:34] <mhall119> cjwatson: is there any place I can add excludes to click build?
[16:34] <cjwatson> Some details of this are a bit architecture-specific due to differences in libc; this is one
[16:35] <cjwatson> mhall119: The intent of click build is that you assemble a staging directory containing the things you want to ship which you then build into a .click
[16:35] <cjwatson> So at present there's no exclude support
[16:35] <mhall119> ok, and QtCreator is just running it inside the project directory
[16:35] <cjwatson> Since people seem to be ignoring / not aware of this intent, maybe I'll have to change this
[16:36] <mhall119> cjwatson: that would probably make it easier on the qtcreator plugin, since it has no way of knowing what files it should copy into such a staging dir
[16:37] <mhall119> but being able to run "click build -I.bzr -Idebug" to ignore ./.bzr/ and ./debug/ would be nice
[16:37] <cjwatson> mhall119: I don't buy that argument as such, because it would need configuration for what to exclude just as it would need configuration for what to include
[16:37] <mhall119> true, but it's easier to maintain a list of excludes than a list of includes
[16:37] <cjwatson> But it may be convenient to add exclude support in any event.  Feel free to file a bug
[16:37] <mhall119> cjwatson: file a bug against what?
[16:38] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/click doesn't have bug tracking enabled it seems
[16:38] <cjwatson> Deliberately\
[16:38] <cjwatson> Use the Ubuntu package
[16:38] <cjwatson> It's distracting for me to have to track bugs in two places, so I refuse to
[16:39] <mhall119> only two? :)
[16:39] <cjwatson> No point if I don't have to
[16:40] <cjwatson> Also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/click/ says "Ubuntu tracks bugs for packages derived from this project" with a link
[16:40] <mhall119> I suppose that's fine until Click packages become wildly popular on other distros and gains widespread use
[16:41] <cjwatson> I've added a note to https://launchpad.net/click
[16:41] <cjwatson> mhall119: Even so, you're experiencing your bug using the Ubuntu packaging of click, so you should file it against that
[16:42] <cjwatson> If it were the case that they were different, you wouldn't know whether it was a bug in the upstream code or the Ubuntu code
[16:42] <mhall119> well, I would because I know the original author's IRC nick :)
[16:43] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1219912 filed, marked as Wishlist
[16:47] <cjwatson> mhall119: I've fixed that symlink handling bug for 0.4.2
[16:47] <mhall119> thanks cjwatson
[16:48] <mhall119> cjwatson: and the Icon path replacement was fixed in 0.4.1 right?
[16:48] <mhall119> I just need the relative path to the icon file now?
[16:49] <cjwatson> mhall119: The bug fixed in 0.4.1 would have prevented the desktop file being written at all
[16:50] <mhall119> what do you mean?
[16:50] <cjwatson> Not sure how to explain it differently
[16:50] <mpt> seb128, Laney: Unless you make any notes in the "System Settings planning" doc, I'll start with the screens that don't have any wireframe at all right now, then work through the rest from top to bottom.
[16:50] <cjwatson> mhall119: With <0.4.1, the problem was that "click desktophook" wasn't writing out a new desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications/
[16:51] <cjwatson> mhall119: So you could have ended up with a stale file from a previous version
[16:51] <Laney> mpt: can you re-link me? I'll try and look tomorrow
[16:51] <seb128> mpt, what sort of notes would you like?
[16:51] <mhall119> cjwatson: ok, the bug I was talking to sergiusens about was the fact that Icon=uReadIt.png wouldn't show the icon in the Unity 8 dash
[16:51] <Laney> priorities for re-wireframing iirc
[16:51] <seb128> mpt, things missing?
[16:51] <mpt> Laney, http://goo.gl/ZaL8VL
[16:51] <mhall119> cjwatson: sergiusens said it was fixed by his MP
[16:51] <Laney> ta
[16:51] <cwayne_> sergiusens, ping
[16:52] <cjwatson> mhall119: Not quite.  sergiusens' MP did what I explained above
[16:52] <seb128> mpt, "sound - battery - about" are my top 3 (we are close to finish those) if you want priority of things useful to me
[16:53] <mhall119> cjwatson: so does the desktop file hook replace the Icon= path with the installed location or doesn't it?
[16:53] <annerajb_> ogra_, i added a break before the mount move.
[16:53] <annerajb_> and ran the mount move commands by hand
[16:54] <mpt> seb128, ok, I'll do those first
[16:54] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[16:54] <annerajb_> ogra_, i dont see a tty1 let me get a pastebin or something more readable
[16:54] <annerajb_> ogra_, sorry the other way around i dont see ttySAC2
[16:56] <annerajb_> ogra_, http://pastebin.com/T1JkdHXD
[16:59] <mpt> seb128, notes on preferred priority and/or things missing. :-)
[16:59] <cjwatson> 17:52 <cjwatson> mhall119: Not quite.  sergiusens' MP did what I explained above
[16:59] <cjwatson> 17:52 <cjwatson> mhall119: But "click desktophook" normally replaces the value of Icon with an absolute path in the modified version it writes out to ~/.local/share/applications/
[16:59] <cjwatson> (was disconnected)
[17:00] <seb128> mpt, k, thanks for adding those number, I'm going to have another look for things missing as well
[17:00] <mhall119> cjwatson: ok, I'll wait until I can get 0.4.2 on my phone then try installing again
[17:01] <ogra_> annerajb_, well, then you can not output anything to it indeed
[17:01] <annerajb_> so should i add a mknode on the init?
[17:01] <ogra_> no
[17:01] <ogra_> i thought you already read output on that device ?
[17:01] <mhall119> beuno: it won't let me upload a new package again, anything I can do to debug this?
[17:02] <annerajb_> ogra_, what do you mean read output?
[17:03] <ogra_> annerajb_, i thought you asked how to get the console output printed to that device
[17:03] <annerajb_> ogra_, i can read output thru the serial but it seems some output like upstart is not showing up on the serial
[17:03] <annerajb_> the --verbose for example didnt do a difference on the serial output
[17:05] <ogra_> annerajb_, so you used something like init="/sbin/init --verbose" and that didnt work ?
[17:05] <annerajb_> ----__----- no lol
[17:05] <annerajb_> i just dropped a --vebrose on the cmdline
[17:05] <annerajb_> i feel stupid..
[17:06] <annerajb_> brb let me change it to be init=
[17:06] <ogra_> (thats at least how i understand the upstart debugging doc)
[17:07] <ogra_> ah, no, the first paragraph looks like just adding --verbose would be allowed too
[17:07] <ogra_> though i think your init dies before it can even be verbose :)
[17:07] <annerajb_> ogra_, you know what INIT_VERBOSE=yes is for?
[17:07] <ogra_> no idea
[17:07] <annerajb_> i had something that it printed a really verbose output on the serial but can't recall what it was or what combination of commands
[17:07] <ogra_> where did you get that from ?
[17:08] <annerajb_> it printed the output of every command the init executed
[17:08] <ogra_> probably some upstart specialist knows more :)
[17:08] <annerajb_> there's where i got that surfacefligner was started drm pvsrss
[17:08]  * cjwatson gets pre-existing tests passing on his click multi-root branch - no bets on it actually working yet though
[17:08] <annerajb_> a bunch of apps are started
[17:08] <ogra_> like xnox or jodh
[17:08] <annerajb_> ok ogra_ is surfaceflinger started by upstart?
[17:08] <ogra_> no
[17:08] <cjwatson> --verbose
[17:08] <cjwatson> re upstart
[17:09] <annerajb_> cjwatson, so adding that on the kernel command line is enought?
[17:09] <ogra_> cjwatson, doesnt work ... thats what started this discussion
[17:09] <ogra_> at least thats what annerajb_ claims
[17:09] <cjwatson> annerajb_ said "--vebrose" which is not the same
[17:09] <ogra_> oh
[17:09] <annerajb_> yeah it's written correctly on the cmdline
[17:09] <annerajb_> i am not copy pasting
[17:09] <ogra_> lol ... annerajb_ you shouldnt discuss with dyslexic people llike me :)
[17:09] <cjwatson> I would not expect init="/sbin/init --verbose" to work; quoting on the kernel command line is optimistic at best
[17:10] <annerajb_> cjwatson, ok so ill change it back to --verbose
[17:10] <cjwatson> Perhaps your boot is dying before it gets to upstart
[17:10] <ogra_> it is
[17:10] <cjwatson> Then you probably want debug=
[17:11] <cjwatson> Literally that, nothing afterwards
[17:11] <annerajb_> ok what does that do?
[17:11] <ogra_> it dies directly after or at run-init
[17:11] <cjwatson> Turns on "set -x" in the initramfs, which causes the shell to emit a debugging trace
[17:11] <annerajb_> ok
[17:13] <annerajb_> does the order on the kernel cmdline matter?
[17:13] <cjwatson> No
[17:13] <ogra_> only for the console= statements
[17:13] <ogra_> if you have more thna one
[17:14] <annerajb_> CONFIG_CMDLINE="no_console_suspend=1 debug= --verbose datapart=/dev/mtdblock3 console=tty1"
[17:14] <annerajb_> that's how it looks
[17:14] <annerajb_> thought i will have to add console=ttySAC2,115200 at the start to see serial output
[17:16] <cjwatson> You'll have to add it somewhere.  Output should appear on all console=, but the last console= is used when opening /dev/console, so I'd be inclined to suggest putting the serial console last just in case
[17:17] <annerajb_> ok so ill put it after tty1
[17:17] <ogra_> cjwatson, upstart wont like that since there is no /dev/ttySAC2
[17:18] <annerajb_> but i cant atleast see upstart complain in ttySAC2 with --verbose :D
[17:18] <annerajb_> or should be able too
[17:19] <ogra_> well, you will see, i guess it dies because there is no proper cosole then
[17:20] <cjwatson> ogra_: If it doesn't get to upstart, who cares :)
[17:20] <gaurav__> which are the exact files to download
[17:20] <gaurav__> for mako
[17:20] <gaurav__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[17:20] <gaurav__> is this the lastest available?
[17:20] <ogra_> this is ancient
[17:21] <sergiusens> cwayne_: pong
[17:21] <cwayne_> sergiusens, was there a change to maalit recently?  our maalit config we dropped in ~ now causes maalit to never show
[17:21] <annerajb_> ogra_, that page needs a giant banner saying that is old i thought that was the latest too. since a bunch of web post on xda link to it.
[17:22] <ogra_> annerajb_, well, a bunch of ports have never been updated beyond that point in time ...
[17:22] <ogra_> so for them it is recent i guess :)
[17:22] <gaurav__> can you get me the latest page
[17:23] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/
[17:23] <gaurav__> can you help me install this thing
[17:23] <gaurav__> I am one a stock rooted nexus 4
[17:23] <gaurav__> on*
[17:23] <gaurav__> Windows 8
[17:24] <ogra_> do you have working fastboot and adb on that windows box ?
[17:24] <gaurav__> yes
[17:24] <gaurav__> i do
[17:24] <ogra_> ok, so first of all boot into fastboot/bootloader mode
[17:24] <gaurav__> okay
[17:24] <gaurav__> 1 sec
[17:24] <gaurav__> gimme the command to reboot
[17:24] <gaurav__> i forgot :P
[17:25] <ogra_> adb reboot-bootloader iirc
[17:25] <ogra_> (or without dash, i'm never sure)
[17:25] <gaurav__> done
[17:25] <gaurav__> yeah its without the dash
[17:25] <ogra_> download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.img
[17:25] <gaurav__> is this the very latest
[17:26] <ogra_> fastboot flash recovery saucy-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.img
[17:26] <ogra_> thats the last blessed image
[17:26] <gaurav__> 1 sec
[17:26] <ogra_> there are untested ones in the /pending folder if you prefer something newer
[17:28] <gaurav__> 1 sec please
[17:28] <sergiusens> cwayne_: for maliit, there were talks about moving to gsettings, seb128 might know more about that
[17:28] <sergiusens> as in status
[17:28] <cwayne_> sergiusens, thanks
[17:28] <cwayne_> seb128, ping
[17:29] <seb128> cwayne_, hey
[17:29] <gaurav__> OGRA thats done
[17:29] <ogra_> gaurav__, great, then boot into the new recovery mode you just flashed
[17:29] <sergiusens> cwayne_: the configs should be in lp:ubuntu-keyboard  fwiw
[17:29] <gaurav__> how
[17:29] <sergiusens> if anywhere
[17:29] <cwayne_> sergiusens, thanks
[17:30] <cwayne_> seb128, have there been any changes to maalit that would cause our configs to break it (i.e. have it not show up anymore)
[17:30] <ogra_> gaurav__, fastboot reboot recovery
[17:30] <gaurav__> and the name of the recovery?
[17:30] <seb128> cwayne_, I doubt it, there was no landing of ubuntu-keyboard since 0829.1
[17:30] <ogra_> just these three words
[17:31] <seb128> cwayne_, I don't work on the osk though
[17:31] <seb128> tmoenicke does
[17:31] <gaurav__> no its just gving me a list of commands
[17:33] <ogra_> gaurav__, well, you should have a big green "start" on your screen ... just select recovery mode with the volume keys and press power
[17:33] <gaurav__> Done
[17:33] <gaurav__> yea works
[17:33] <ogra_> great, now you should be able to run adb shell
[17:33] <ogra_> if that works, exit the shell again
[17:34] <gaurav__> Now what do i do?
[17:34] <ogra_> download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip
[17:34] <gaurav__> yes
[17:34] <ogra_> then adb push saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip /sdcard/
[17:34] <gaurav__> 2 min to download
[17:34] <gaurav__> do i do it when the phone is in recovery mode or fast boot mode
[17:35] <gaurav__> I am currently on the CWMbased recovery page on my phone
[17:36] <cwayne_> seb128, hm, im not sure when we introduced our confg, maybe it broken on 0829.1, i'll take a look thanks
[17:38] <ogra_> gaurav__, thats where you should be :)
[17:38] <gaurav__> where should i be to use the push command
[17:39] <beuno> mhall119, yeah, we have a problem with the server
[17:39] <beuno> working on it
[17:39] <ogra_> wherever you executed the fastboot command before

[17:41]  * annerajb_ on reboot loop apparently those kernel cmdlines broke somethin
[17:43] <gaurav__> it says device not found
[17:43] <gaurav__> OGRA
[17:44] <gaurav__> when i press adb devices there are no devices showing
[17:45] <gaurav__> should i just switch on my phone and put it in the sd card manually
[17:49] <gaurav__> OGRA you there?
[17:51] <gaurav__> can anyone help me out ?
[17:51] <gaurav__> i am kinda struck installing ubuntu touch
[17:52] <netcurli> gaurav__: you are in the recovery screen right now?
[17:52] <netcurli> on the phone
[17:52] <gaurav__> yes
[17:52] <netcurli> and you can or cannot connect with adb?
[17:53] <gaurav__> cannot connect
[17:53] <gaurav__> i am unable to push this file
[17:53] <gaurav__> so i booted up and maually copied the file into my internal storage
[17:55] <gaurav__> that didnt work out either
[17:55] <ogra_> select "install zip from sdcard" in the menu ...
[17:55] <gaurav__> i was unable to copy :(
[17:55] <ogra_> (once you managed to copy it over)
[17:55] <gaurav__> no
[17:55] <gaurav__> now i am in CWM based rcovery screen
[17:56] <ogra_> right, and you should be able to adb push the file
[17:56] <gaurav__> gimme the command again please
[17:57] <ogra_> adb push saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip /sdcard/
[17:57] <ogra_> (it is a few lines above in the backlog too btw)
[17:58] <gaurav__> done
[17:59] <ogra_> k, now select "install zip from sdcard" on the phone ...
[17:59] <gaurav__> installed it
[17:59] <ogra_> great
[17:59] <gaurav__> now
[17:59] <ogra_> now do exactly the same with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[18:00] <gaurav__> I push it and then install it from sd card
[18:00] <gaurav__> ?
[18:00] <ogra_> download, push, install
[18:01] <gaurav__> okay it says 5 min to download
[18:01] <gaurav__> then what do i do
[18:01] <gaurav__> i just reboot?
[18:01] <ogra_> reboot
[18:01] <ogra_> and thats it
[18:01] <gaurav__> will it reboot to ubuntu?
[18:01] <ogra_> yes
[18:01] <gaurav__> Okay one more question does it have OTA's
[18:02] <gaurav__> once i boot in
[18:02] <ogra_> not this image variant
[18:02] <gaurav__> Oh but this is a Stock Image right
[18:02] <ogra_> and if you want the system image there is no windows installation yet
[18:02] <gaurav__> Oh I get it!!
[18:02] <ogra_> (system image is how we call the OTA one)
[18:02] <gaurav__> Is this the latest i can get?
[18:02] <gaurav__> I mean with the bugs and all
[18:02] <ogra_> yes
[18:03] <ogra_> no, that would have been /pending instead of /current for the download URl
[18:03] <gaurav__> So if i have to revert to android
[18:03] <gaurav__> Flash-all.bat would do it right?
[18:03] <ogra_> you just follow the instructions on the install wikipage
[18:03] <gaurav__> Thats kinda for linux so...
[18:03] <ogra_> ah, not sure there is a windows way described
[18:03] <gaurav__> was just wondering!!
[18:04] <ogra_> well, i'm sure you will find documentation for how to do it from windows
[18:04] <ogra_> that should be a pretty standard task
[18:04] <gaurav__> could you please link me the website from where you have downlaoded these files
[18:04] <gaurav__> i mean not the download links
[18:05] <ogra_> does your IRC client have a scroll bar ? just scroll up
[18:05] <gaurav__> haha yea
[18:05] <ogra_> :)
[18:06] <gaurav__> thanks a ton?
[18:06] <gaurav__> !!
[18:06] <ogra_> welcome
[18:06] <gaurav__> could you share your email!!
[18:06] <ogra_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>...
[18:06] <gaurav__> Thanks again
[18:07] <ogra_> Laney, did that settings package i was supposed to seed make it in ?
[18:08] <ogra_> aha, seems it did
[18:08]  * ogra_ updates meta
[18:10] <gaurav__> Hey Ogra !! just a random question
[18:11] <gaurav__> Is ubuntu like windows phone
[18:11] <gaurav__> or is it like android using Triple Buffering to make things smoother
[18:11] <ogra_> lol, no idea, i never had a windows phone in my hand
[18:11] <gaurav__> lets say apple
[18:12] <gaurav__> i mean smooth like how apple was from the beginning without hardware accleration
[18:12] <aquarius> jdstrand, ping: in a click package's manifest, do I need "audio" permissions to play any sound at all (even, say, a "ding" you've-picked-something-up sound in a game), or is that for apps that want to play background audio or something equally clever?
[18:12] <ogra_> its is a little less smooth than android in some places (browser for example) but smoother in others
[18:12] <gaurav__> yea!!
[18:12] <ogra_> apple has always had HW acceleration
[18:13] <beuno> aquarius, I would expect he's not around today, labour day in the US, etc
[18:13] <gaurav__> you get my point about the smoothness don't you
[18:13] <ogra_> (as does android and ubuntu touch)
[18:13] <gaurav__> i mean its so natural on Ios
[18:13] <gaurav__> than it is on android
[18:13] <aquarius> beuno, oh yeah, good point. Who else is on the security team and isn't celebrating the eventual triumph of socialism?
[18:13] <gaurav__> running the ui on background thread like ios
[18:13] <ogra_> gaurav__, dont forget it is less than 6 months old
[18:13] <aquarius> mdeslaur, ping
[18:13] <aquarius> bah, he's not around either ;)
[18:14] <beuno> aquarius, they're all socialists, these security folks
[18:14] <sergiusens> aquarius: sbeattie
[18:14] <aquarius> power to the people!
[18:14] <aquarius> sbeattie, ping :)
[18:14] <aquarius> sbeattie, in a click package's manifest, do I need "audio" permissions to play any sound at all (even, say, a "ding" you've-picked-something-up sound in a game), or is that for apps that want to play background audio or something equally clever?
[18:14] <ogra_> try it our in that light and you will see sommther stuff than android, but also a lot of rough edges everywhere ... and even bad behavior sometimes
[18:14] <ogra_> s/sommther/smoother/
[18:14] <sergiusens> aquarius: but I think the answer is yes
[18:15] <aquarius> sergiusens, yes to "you need audio permissions to play any sound at all"?
[18:15] <sergiusens> aquarius: and audio_files if you want to access files out of your namespace
[18:15] <aquarius> ooooh.
[18:15] <gaurav__> hey ogra
[18:15] <gaurav__> i am done pushing the file
[18:15] <sergiusens> aquarius: correct
[18:15] <ogra_> gaurav__, so install it then
[18:15] <gaurav__> the file name appears to be ready to flash?
[18:15] <aquarius> sergiusens, what does "access files out of my namespace" mean? I currently load some wav files in QML and play them.
[18:15] <gaurav__> "ready to flash!
[18:15] <gaurav__> is that the file
[18:16] <sergiusens> aquarius: files like $HOME/Music
[18:16] <aquarius> oh right, I don't need that :)
[18:16] <gaurav__> the file is succesfully pushed
[18:16] <gaurav__> but i dont see it
[18:17] <ogra_> it should still have the same name it had on your PC
[18:17] <beuno> mhall119, try and upload again?
[18:17] <gaurav__> 1 sec
[18:17] <gaurav__> i made a blooper
[18:18] <annerajb_> ogra_, do you foresee any problems with my partitions being in yaffs instead of ext4? i sometimes get crashes on yafs on recovery
[18:18] <sbeattie> aquarius: 'audio' gives you the ability to play sounds, access to $HOME/Music is through 'music_files_read'
[18:18] <mhall119> beuno: worked like a charm!
[18:19] <ogra_> annerajb_, well, the mounting obviously works, i think your issue lies somewhere in upstart vs the kernel config
[18:19] <aquarius> sbeattie, excellent. So to play any sound at all I need "audio"?
[18:19] <gaurav__> could you give the command to push again please
[18:19] <sbeattie> aquarius: yes
[18:19] <annerajb_> ogra_, ok any benefit of using ext4 instead of yaffs
[18:20] <aquarius> sbeattie, thank you!
[18:20] <ogra_> annerajb_, i doubt it helps your issue in any way
[18:20] <annerajb_> ogra_, i know it wont help the issue just asking for a future as in when it works fine
[18:21] <sergiusens> aquarius: /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof/policygroups/ubuntu/1.0/audio
[18:21] <sergiusens> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6056120/
[18:21] <ogra_> there is surely a reason the vendor picked yaffs
[18:21] <annerajb_> ok
[18:21] <ogra_> might be the best with your flash chip
[18:21] <beuno> mhall119, sweet
[18:30] <gaurav__> ogra is Basic data and WIFi working on this rom
[18:30] <gaurav__> it hasent booted yet
[18:34] <gaurav__> how do i put music on this thing
[18:34] <gaurav__> the mtp is not visible
[18:34] <gaurav__> OGRA
[18:49] <annerajb_> cjwatson, ogra_, http://pastebin.com/bTYZuvBi "no_console_suspend=1 debug= --verbose datapart=/dev/mtdblock3 console=tty1 console=ttySAC2,115200"
[18:51] <cjwatson> don't ask me :)
[19:05] <annerajb_> cjwatson, sorry , ogra_ forgot this  Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[19:05] <annerajb_> [   21.847560] Backtrace:
[20:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: can you review this https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/android/+merge/183532 ?  And answered a lot of questions already. For some reason I pressed control + c, now I need to start over again...
[20:23] <balachmar> \me hits head against the wall
[21:37] <OrokuSaki> Anyone know how the camera app decides to be portrait or landscape??
[21:44] <netcurli> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/view/head:/DeviceOrientation.qml
[22:23] <OrokuSaki> @netcurli thanks!
[22:35] <OrokuSaki> anyone know how to compile an ubuntu touch application?
[22:35] <OrokuSaki> I see it uses cmake?
[22:45]  * mhall119 was hoping to see click 0.4.2 available today :(
[23:10] <OrokuSaki> Anyone have a guide to setup an enviroment to compile ubuntu touch qt5 apps?
[23:11] <OrokuSaki> I want to recompile the camera-app
[23:13] <OrokuSaki> Neat. http://askubuntu.com/questions/260185/is-there-way-to-compile-qt5-programs-written-with-c-to-ubuntu-touch
[23:35] <annerajb_> cjwatson, hey you aroudn my kernel panic is because upstart dies.
[23:37] <annerajb_> [   21.791001] ANNER: running upstart.
[23:37] <annerajb_> [   21.795314] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[23:37] <annerajb_> [   21.801411] Backtrace:
[23:39] <annerajb_> hmmm maybe i should add back that tty1 -_-... let me try taht