[00:26] <minasota> I guess Stallman isn't crazy after all
[00:44] <Unit193> You sure about that?
[03:00] <wrst> Pretty sure he is nuts
[03:03] <cyberanger> Even crazy can be right once in awhile.
[03:05] <wrst> Very true
[03:05] <wrst> Stallman just isn't practical at all in his views on free software
[03:06] <wrst> That said we would be better off if his ideas were the norm


[09:06] <SpmP> I am having issues with a radeon card giving kernel errors on start of X with HDMI. Works in console. As much info as I can think of at: http://pastebin.com/Ryf4kXG6 any ideas?
[09:06] <SpmP> maybe kernel and not X...
[09:06] <SpmP> thought I would ask before I upgrade to edgers to see if it will go away...
[09:14] <mlankhorst> probably kernel
[09:14] <mlankhorst> considering that's where the error occurs
[10:13] <alf__> For some time now I have been getting slowdowns under X with Radeon Evergreen. When rendering something heavy the CPU spins and takes ages to render. I think it started with the 3.16 kernel, and my current workaround is to use 3.15.x which doesn't have this problem. There is nothing in the logs. Any ideas?


[00:28] <RedSingularity> I confirmed a bug in virtualbox-ose.  If someone can take a look it would be much appreciated.  bug 738330
[00:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738330 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Today's Natty update means no guest additions in virtualbox (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738330
[00:28] <RedSingularity> Thanks!
[00:34] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: looking
[00:38] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: if you manually go back to the virtualbox-ose version 4.0.4-dfsg-1ubuntu2, does it work again?
[00:41] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: nope
[00:41] <RedSingularity> tried a few times
[00:42] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: oh, sorry, I misread the changelog, -1ubuntu1 version I meant. (-1ubuntu2 already has the new deps)
[00:44] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: I ran into this last night and then searched for bugs today that I may confirm instead of filing a new one.
[00:46] <Ampelbein> hm.... on second look, I don't think it is virtualbox-ose problem because the reporter is on MacOS, not ubuntu.
[00:47] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: yes true.  Cant he run ose on his mac though?
[00:47] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: -ose is the host part.
[00:48] <penguin42> someone earlier said they had problems that went away if they removed the guest additions; couldn't start X with them
[00:49] <RedSingularity> I did mark it under guest-additions as well to be sure.
[00:49] <RedSingularity> I have it under -ose and -guest-additions
[00:50] <RedSingularity> The dupe reporter is running the ubuntu host -ose version.
[00:50] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: a xorg.0.log from inside the guest would be good.
[00:50] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: Ahhhh ok.  Can I attach mine?
[00:51] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: yes
[00:51] <RedSingularity> ok standby....
[00:54] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: done
[00:55] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: [     5.900] (EE) module ABI major version (9) doesn't match the server's version (10)
[00:56] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: [     5.901] (EE) Failed to load module "vboxvideo" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
[00:56] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: What is it saying?  Sorry, I never worked xorg before :)
[00:56] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: the vboxvideo module needs to be rebuilt
[00:57] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: I did reinstall it twice to no avail
[00:58] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: I don't know, does vbox-guest-additions use dkms? if so, what does 'dkms status' say?
[01:00] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: can you pastebin the result of 'sudo aptitude purge virtualbox-guest-additions && sudo aptitude install virtualbox-guest-addtions'?
[01:01] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: on my host or guest?
[01:01] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: on the host
[01:01] <RedSingularity> standby....
[01:02] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: on that note: you DID reinstall the virtualbox-guest-additions inside the guest?
[01:02] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: yes.  That was the one I was referring to.  Never did that on the host.
[01:02] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: I don't mean the debian package, but the actual additions.
[01:04] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: Actually i dont have the guest additions package installed on my host.
[01:04] <RedSingularity> I mount it in the guest
[01:06] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: yes, but the iso you mount comes from the virtualbox-guest-additions package
[01:07] <Ampelbein> or how did you get that iso?
[01:08] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: It has always just "came" with the -ose install.  I never had to get a separate guest iso from anywhere....unless I delete it from virtualbox in which case i guess you could use the ubuntu -ose-guestadditions package from the repos.
[01:10] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: hmm, ok. what does 'apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose-guest-x11' say inside the guest?
[01:11] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: None is installed at the moment.  Version 4.0.4 is available tho.
[01:12] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: ok. if you reinstall the guest-additions in the guest, can you post the log?
[01:13] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: sure, hold on
[01:13] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: oh what log?
[01:15] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: should be in /var/log/VBoxGuestAdditions
[01:15] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: there should be one right now
[01:15] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: yes there is
[01:15] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: can you pastebin? if it's too big, attach to the bug please.
[01:16] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: its.....2 lines
[01:16] <Ampelbein> that's.... small.
[01:16] <RedSingularity> yeah
[01:16] <RedSingularity> thats what i was thinking
[01:17] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: This was all working fine until the update last night
[01:17] <RedSingularity> then I rebooted the VM and that was it
[01:17] <RedSingularity> no additions anymore
[01:17] <RedSingularity> the update in the VM i mean
[01:18] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: the xserver got a new ABI
[01:18] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: think its the cause?
[01:19] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: it definitely is the cause. see the 2 lines I posted above from xorg.0.log
[01:19] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: the module vboxvideo needs rebuilding
[01:19] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: so wouldnt this be a vbox bug then?
[01:19] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: which should be done by the virtualbox guest additions script
[01:20] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: no, the module is in the guest-additions.
[01:21] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: can you uninstall and reinstall the guest additions and pastebin any output?
[01:21] <Ampelbein> use ' | tee -a foo.bar '
[01:21] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: hmmmm lets try to do it in the term....
[01:26] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: nope.  All the output you want is put into another terminal window.  It doesnt even look like gnome-terminal btw.
[01:26] <RedSingularity> I cant even copy the output with the mouse
[01:26] <RedSingularity> or ctl+c
[01:27] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: hmpf, anything in /var/log/VBoxGuestAdditions this time?
[01:27] <Ampelbein> or did you see anything related to vboxvideo
[01:28] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: nope no change in the log files either...
[01:31] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: I guess I can mark "invalid" the package under virtualbox-ose since the problem is with the guest addition package?
[01:35] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: one last try. the directory where the uncompressed guest additions are (normally named install), run 'sudo ./install.sh uninstall' from there.
[01:35] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: alright
[01:36] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: when uninstall is done, run 'sudo ./install.sh'
[01:36] <Ampelbein> after that, run 'dkms status'
[01:37] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: hold on.  I have an idea for the info you wanted before....about the term output while installing.
[01:38] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: here you go.... http://i.imgur.com/ujGYm.png
[01:39] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: ok, so there is no error. what does dkms status say?
[01:40] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: "program dkms is not installed"
[01:43] <Ampelbein> ok...
[01:44] <Ampelbein> can you try starting X now and (if it fails) 'grep vboxvideo /var/log/xorg.0.log'?
[01:46] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: give me the error that the server is already running.  That makes sense though because I do have a desktop....I am not stuck in a term or anything.
[01:49] <Ampelbein> ok, now I'm confused. I thought with the guest additions installed you don't have X at all?
[01:54] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: I have x....but it seems that natty wont detect the guest additions.  I cant use the "accelerated graphics" and therefore cant use Unity as Jean said in the duplicate bug report.
[01:54] <RedSingularity> I cant even use "fullscreen"
[01:54] <RedSingularity> Seemed to me that Jean suffered from the same issue
[01:55] <RedSingularity> So its not just a graphics issue but rather a whole guest additions package issue.
[01:56]  * RedSingularity hopes he sent the correct report :/
[01:59] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: ok, I seem to understand clearer now. the basic issue remains though, the vboxvideo driver doesn't get built, which means no 3d and no advanced X11 integration.
[02:00] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: can you remove the guest-additions inside the VM, install 'dkms', install guest-additions again and reboot?
[02:02] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: trying now..
[02:02] <RedSingularity> If there is a "remove" script...
[02:04] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: well, how did you uninstall the additions before?
[02:04] <RedSingularity> I didnt get to that part....i instead sent you the image....
[02:05] <RedSingularity> .sh remove or uninstall does not seem to work
[02:06] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: you can use the normal way of uninstalling.
[02:06] <RedSingularity> the autorun just keeps reinstalling no matter what i put after in terms of uninstall
[02:06] <RedSingularity> hmmm
[02:08] <Ampelbein> if you can't uninstall, just install dkms, reinstall and reboot
[02:08] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: the guest additions is not installed via dpkg
[02:08] <RedSingularity> ok
[02:09] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: I never needed the dkms package before....why would i need it now?
[02:09] <RedSingularity> ...rebooting..
[02:09] <Ampelbein> it makes it easier in those cases because you can easily rebuild modules
[02:11] <RedSingularity> reinstalled the additions and rebooting again
[02:11] <RedSingularity> Ahhhh!  Still nothing.  Natty does not see the additions.
[02:12] <Ampelbein> what does 'dkms status' say?
[02:13] <RedSingularity> vboxguest 4.0.4  2.6.38-7-generic i686: installed
[02:14] <Ampelbein> ok. I'm lost.
[02:15] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity:
[02:15] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: 'grep EE /var/log/xorg.0.log' does still say wrong ABI?
[02:22] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: yep
[02:23] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: actually, looking at the code it seems there is a new version of the videodriver needed and since the driver is binary only, you need to wait till there is a new virtualbox version out.
[02:24] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: there is vboxvideo, the kernel driver that gets rebuilt everytime and there is vboxvideo_drv that interacts with the X-Server, which is binary only.
[02:25] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: So we cant use the vbox with natty and guest additions until a new version comes out?
[02:26] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: yes. another example of "Closed source is evil!".
[02:26] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: what is closed in this tho?
[02:27] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: the videodriver.
[02:27] <RedSingularity> oh vbox
[02:27] <RedSingularity> video
[02:27] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: but it is the OSE i thought??
[02:29] <Ampelbein> RedSingularity: well, the guest additions don't provide the source of the vboxvideo_drv module.
[02:30] <RedSingularity> ohhhh
[02:30] <RedSingularity> Ampelbein: pm
[09:55] <njin> Hello triagers, wich is the command to save in a file the data collected by 'apport-collect -p.....'. Thanks
[09:57] <njin> ^^ in a pc without a working net
[10:18] <Abhijit> njin, anycommand > text.txt
[10:19] <nigelb> njin: use apport-cli and it will give you option to send, keep or delete the report.
[11:49] <rr0hit> can anyone tell me what to do with bug 738551
[11:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738551 in istanbul (Ubuntu) "istanbul doesn't launch under unity (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738551
[11:49] <rr0hit> can i close it and open another bug because the problem reported appears to be solved
[11:51] <yofel> rr0hit: doesn't istanbul require the tray icon to be controlled?
[11:51] <yofel> haven't tried it in a while
[11:52] <rr0hit> yofel: the tray icons are the only controls available
[11:52] <rr0hit> yofel: it works when the gconf key is added
[11:52] <rr0hit> yofel: but fails during saving
[12:00] <yofel> rr0hit: the fails during saving would be another bug
[12:00] <rr0hit> yes
[12:01] <yofel> rr0hit: but that it doesn't show the tray icon by default is a bug too if it's required
[12:01] <rr0hit> yofel: so shall i close this bug and report another?
[12:01] <yofel> the gconf key is a workaround, not a fix
[12:01] <rr0hit> yofel: alright
[12:01] <yofel> as it's still broken for everyone else
[12:02] <rr0hit> yofel: looks like the bug has been there for long
[12:02] <rr0hit> yofel: bug 494343
[12:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 494343 in istanbul (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Istanbul crashes whenever I stop recording. Save video dialog pops out very briefly then crashes (affects: 25) (heat: 95)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494343
[12:04] <yofel> rr0hit: which release are you on?
[12:05] <rr0hit> natty
[12:05] <yofel> odd, according to the debian bug this should be fixed in maverick and natty
[12:06] <rr0hit> yofel: some comments suggest that itis present in maverick
[12:06] <yofel> can you get a backtrace of your crash? It might be a different one
[12:07] <yofel> ah wait, you already posted that
[12:07] <rr0hit> yofel: you r right
[12:07] <rr0hit> yofel: its different
[12:08] <yofel> and "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'xid'"has nothing to do with the older bug
[12:14] <rr0hit> yofel:  SOLVED
[12:15] <rr0hit> yofel: in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/istanbul/main/save_window.py , one place Gtk is to be changed to gtk
[12:15] <rr0hit> yofel: works fine afterwords
[12:16] <yofel> rr0hit: then you can add a patch to the bug and ask in #ubuntu-motu how to get that into the archive
[12:17] <rr0hit> yofel: alrightie
[12:25] <rr0hit> it has already been fixed in the tarball given here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/istanbul/0.2.2-8
[12:25] <rr0hit> yofel: just needs repackaging right?
[12:26] <yofel> it has? but that's what natty has
[12:27] <rr0hit> yofel: yes, the typo isnt there in that file in the tarball. Maybe it was fixed after someone packaged it
[12:28] <rr0hit> yofel: or maybe i am yet to get an update, wait
[12:30] <yofel> rr0hit: ask someone in -motu, I don't get what's wrong here
[12:31] <yofel> rr0hit: aaah, one of the patches seems to add the Gtk line
[12:31] <yofel> debian/patches/fix_grab_xid.patch
[12:33] <rr0hit> yofel: yup !!
[12:33] <rr0hit> yofel: so what next?
[12:34] <yofel> the patch needs to be updated using quilt, after that create a debdiff for the package so it can be uploaded to natty. More information in #ubuntu-motu as this isn't triaging anymore
[12:41] <rr0hit> yofel: can I apply the patches to the tarball, then create a patch to correct the mistake and submit that patch?
[12:42] <yofel> I'm not sure what's the best way to patch a patch, that's why I would advise to wait for an answer in -motu, you can file a seperate bug for your issue with the information you have so the work doesn't get lost though
[12:43] <rr0hit> alright
[12:57] <yofel> bbl
[12:59] <rr0hit> yofel: can you mark bug 738551 as triaged? problem is identified
[12:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738551 in istanbul (Ubuntu) "istanbul doesn't launch under unity (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738551
[14:06] <xteejx> Afternoon all
[14:07] <ari-tczew> hi xteejx
[14:07] <xteejx> hey ari-tczew :)
[14:08] <xteejx> Hmm, my right click menu in firefox has stopped working lol
[14:11] <ari-tczew> on my firefox (running natty) java has been stopped working
[14:12] <vish> xteejx: FF4 ?
[14:12]  * ddecator has no trouble with firefox on natty kubuntu
[14:13] <xteejx> vish: Hey vish, yeah FF$, Natty
[14:13] <xteejx> also the damn menu
[14:13] <vish> yea, thats a known bug..
[14:13] <xteejx> mus be a recent update, was fine yesterday
[14:13] <xteejx> FF$?? I meant 4
[14:13] <xteejx> ari-tczew: I don't really use sites with Java as such, Js maybe :)
[14:14] <vish> xteejx: bug 438868 …
[14:14] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 438868 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend (affects: 173) (dups: 17) (heat: 890)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[14:14] <ari-tczew> ddecator: yes, kklimonda doesn't have troubles on natty as well
[14:14] <vish> xteejx: but, it has grown more severe with FF4
[14:14] <xteejx> vish: That's autocomplete
[14:15] <xteejx> My problem is the menu
[14:15] <xteejx> and right click menu
[14:15] <vish> xteejx: yea, the menu too, see upstream bug(s)..
[14:15] <ari-tczew> xteejx: ehh, I can cure addiction to java games, though :)
[14:15] <xteejx> vish: Ahh ok :)
[14:15] <vish> xteejx: if the right-click menu does not work, just change window and then come back, *voila* you have menu ;)
[14:16] <xteejx> ari-tczew: Not that damn Minecraft is it?? lol
[14:16] <xteejx> vish: Changing window didn't work, but jus minimized/maximised, it's fine now
[14:16] <xteejx> thanks :)
[14:16] <ari-tczew> xteejx: no, polish card games :)
[14:16] <xteejx> ari-tczew: That's ok then hehe :P
[14:17] <xteejx> I see the Software Centre still doesn't popup a dialog on quit if something is installing/removing :(
[14:24] <xteejx> Grrr....why do people insist on putting loads of things together in 1 report
[14:24] <xteejx> Or worse yet "I have the game graphics card, lets comment" !!!!! :@
[14:34] <ashams> I can't find my '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' anybody knows how can I generate a new one?
[14:34] <Abhijit> !x
[14:34] <ubot4`> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[14:34] <ari-tczew> ashams: just delete current existing and reboot
[14:34] <jpds> ashams: You don't need such a file; but you can write one out by hand.
[14:35] <ashams> ari-tczew: I don't have one now!
[14:35] <ashams> jpds: the problem is!
[14:35] <ari-tczew> ashams: ah right, so it should be created automatically
[14:35] <mortal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/738718 reported a resolution bug for natty
[14:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738718 in xorg (Ubuntu) "On DG45FC board the resolution is low, kernel related, it works till 2.6.36, 2.6.37 breaks things (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:35] <xteejx> There isn't an xorg.conf anymore is there?
[14:36] <ashams> jpds: I want to reconfig the synaptics of a bug reporter, but can't without it!
[14:36] <xteejx> synaptic tpouchpad?
[14:37] <ashams> xteejx: yes
[14:37] <xteejx> Recent Ubuntu versions don't need an xorg.conf, and making one would be pointless
[14:37] <xteejx> It's not used
[14:38] <ashams> xteejx: if he uses the synclient to set new option, it gives error msg
[14:38] <jpds> ashams: You can still write one, and put it into place.
[14:38] <jpds> ashams: But of course, you'll have to do this by hand, from scratch.
[14:39] <ashams> jpds: do you know where 'synclient -l' gets cofig options from when invoked?
[14:39] <jpds> No, never used that; I'm afraid.
[14:40] <ashams> jpds: no problem, I wonder if it can read it, then it must be saved somewhere
[14:40] <xteejx> man synclient?
[14:42] <jpds> ashams: Looks like it gets the information from the shared memory from X.
[14:43] <jpds> $ apt-get source xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; cat xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-*/tools/synclient.c
[14:43] <ashams> xteejx: it lists two locations and they both not existed, :)
[14:44] <ashams> jpds: No such file or directory
[14:44] <ashams> jpds: Great, you mean SHMConfig?, but how to enable it, I mean itself is an option!
[14:45] <ashams> jpds: yu know how to enable SHMConfig?
[14:48] <xteejx> Wow, liking the new "app reviews" in software centre, what bright spark thought of nicking that from apple? :D
[14:59] <yofel> rr0hit: maybe, but I won't touch it since I don't know much about unity (especially not where you're supposed to fix this globally)
[15:03] <ashams> jpds: thanks
[15:03] <ashams> ari-tczew: thanks
[15:03] <ashams> xteejx: thanks
[15:04] <xteejx> Thanks? I hardly said anything lol but you're gone anyway, but you're welcome nonetheless
[15:29] <penguin42> any BC people around? Bug 719446 seems to have been tracked down to a particular patch
[15:29] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 719446 in linux (Ubuntu) "systematic freezes on any kernel version post 2.6.35-22 (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719446
[16:06] <trinikrono> penguin42: what a interesting bug
[16:07] <trinikrono> how did you find this one lol
[16:08] <penguin42> trinikrono: Just made some debugging suggestions when it was opened it and have been following it
[16:17] <bejoe95> hey all, i need help installing the latest version of perl. can anyone help?
[16:18] <hggdh> bejoe95, do you mean installing the current package for your Ubuntu version, or installing from source/elsewhere? Anyway, either should be asked on #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1.
[16:18] <hggdh> bejoe95, #ubuntu-bugs is not a support channel
[16:19] <bejoe95> alright, thanks
[16:19] <njin> can someone verify if http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/xserver-xorg-video-nv_2.1.17-3ubuntu7_i386.deb is up and running?
[16:20] <hggdh> njin, you mean the mirror?
[16:21] <njin> hggdh, the file
[16:21] <njin> sorry one moment, compiz continuosly crash today
[16:22] <hggdh> njin, the site is up, but I get a 403 on http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/
[16:23] <hggdh> njin, which means the directory is unavailable
[16:23] <njin> hggdh, then the file isn't up, so who disturb?
[16:23] <hggdh> njin, it is a 403. Have you tried another mirror?
[16:24] <hggdh> us.archive.ubuntu.com works for this file.
[16:24] <hggdh> njin, you may want to contact the mirror admins
[16:24] <njin> hggdh, is a bug report, i've already suggested to try to change to main sewrver
[16:25] <njin> yesterday i've got problems with italian too
[16:25] <njin> damn compiz, crash and crash
[16:26] <njin> i've only xchat window at full screen
[16:26] <hggdh> njin, you may also try #ubuntu-mirrors
[16:27] <njin> ok, i try, thanks a lot hggd
[17:02] <erkan^> I have added a bugs for kompozer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompozer/+bug/738801 ... can someone that bugs for next newst version for Ubuntu  11.04 ?
[17:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738801 in kompozer (Ubuntu) "Kompozer have not Dutch language (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:34] <penguin42> bug 719446 probably should be triaged and medium
[17:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 719446 in linux (Ubuntu) "systematic freezes on any kernel version post 2.6.35-22 (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719446
[17:49]  * penguin42 hates bugs which run away and hide when you try and recreate them
[18:05] <Podex> hello
[18:06] <Podex> I have filed a bug report for upgrading the software nicotine to the latest version, however nobody has replied or done anything: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nicotine/+bug/696819
[18:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 696819 in nicotine (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade to nicotine+ 1.2.16 (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[18:06] <Podex> is there anything I can do?
[18:28] <serfus> Podex, seems like the right teams are subscribed. i guess all you can do is to wait
[18:30] <Podex> does it help if I get more people to go to the bug report and click the "this bug affects me too"? to get attention?
[18:31] <serfus> it will increase it's heat
[18:40] <Ampelbein> Podex: natty is in feature freeze, you need FFe for that upgrade.
[18:40] <Podex> yes well
[18:40] <Podex> I filed that bug in January
[18:41] <Podex> but I understand
[18:44] <hggdh> Podex, there are many more requests than people available to work on them. You _can_ help -- for example, by finding out where we get nicotine from (Debian?), and verifying this new version is already packaged there
[18:44] <Podex> its not in Debian either
[18:44] <Podex> I just looked
[18:44] <Podex> Debian unstable also has 1.2.14
[18:44] <Podex> not 1.2.16
[18:46] <Podex> there is a deb on the official site though: http://www.nicotine-plus.org/files/debian/nicotine_1.2.16-1_all.deb
[19:08] <Podex> I don't know if I'll request a FFe yet, but thank you anyway for the info
[19:08] <Podex> bye
[19:39] <njin> Hello, can someone explain what mean this, Use Nominate for series to mark the bug as an SRU candidate for the appropriate Ubuntu releases, how can i do this ?
[19:39] <micahg> njin: I think only bug control can do that now
[19:40] <micahg> njin: but there's a nominate for series under the tasks
[19:42] <njin> micahg: bug 738831 , but i cannot see that nominates for series anywhere
[19:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 738831 in ubuntu "Nvidia 173.14.28 needs to be backported to Lucid 10.4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738831
[19:44] <micahg> njin: we usually don't backport drivers like that
[19:44] <micahg> at least as an SRU
[19:44] <njin> ah, ok
[19:44]  * micahg wonders if it would qualify for backports
[19:45] <hggdh> dangerous
[19:45] <micahg> yeah, and I don't think the xserver in lucid supports it in any case
[19:46] <micahg> er, I guess it does
[19:47] <njin> Do you think that is right assign it to linux?
[19:47] <micahg> njin: no, nvidia-graphics-drivers-173
[19:48] <njin> ok, i'll do
[19:48] <micahg> njin: you can also check for duplicates, add regression-release and lucid tags
[19:48] <njin> ok
[19:50] <penguin42> micahg: Can you set prio on bug 719446?
[19:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 719446 in linux (Ubuntu) "systematic freezes on any kernel version post 2.6.35-22 (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719446
[19:50] <penguin42> micahg: I'd say it's probably triaged and now medium given what Pawel is saying on it
[19:51] <hggdh> I have seen that before
[19:51] <micahg> penguin42: sorry, I'm not familiar enough with kernel bugs to ascertain whether or not they're triaged, maybe someone else can help
[19:52] <penguin42> micahg: Fair enough; it's been a bit quiet on here
[19:53] <hggdh> penguin42, I do not see a kernel backtrace there
[19:53] <penguin42> hggdh: Which given it's a solid hang, you won't necessarily see
[19:55] <hggdh> penguin42, ah, by fault, I did not look the bug to the end. We do have a picture of the oopses
[19:56] <penguin42> I originally asked the 2nd reporter to split it off as a separate report, but they do between them seem to have bisected it down to one patch and then found removing it fixes it for both of them
[19:58] <hggdh> I agree
[20:00]  * penguin42 disappears
[20:00] <hggdh> penguin42, done
[20:00] <penguin42> Thanks
[20:01] <hggdh> penguin42, now, a question: when are you going to apply for bug-control? You would, then, be able to do it yourself ;-)
[20:02] <njin> I want penguin42 mentoring me!, if he can have all the needed patience


[04:54] <pitti> Good morning
[07:52]  * Sweet5hark has returned.
[07:52] <Sweet5hark> ... and am grinding through my inbox.
[08:03] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: good luck!
[08:05] <Laney> hellooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:05] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:05] <larsu> and hi Sweet5hark and didrocks as well
[08:06] <Sweet5hark> heya larsu, Laney, didrocks!
[08:08] <didrocks> re larsu
[08:08] <didrocks> morning larsu
[08:08] <didrocks> and Laney ;)
[08:09] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:09] <seb128> oh Sweet5hark is back too?
[08:09] <larsu> everyone is back!
[08:09] <seb128> hey didrocks Laney larsu Sweet5hark
[08:10] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:10]  * seb128 is sort of away
[08:10] <larsu> sort of?
[08:10] <Laney> yo yo
[08:10] <seb128> London this week and on vac starting friday
[08:10] <larsu> seb128, ah cool. Sprinting?
[08:10] <seb128> yes
[08:11] <Sweet5hark> yeah, we can now open the discussion/flamefest on what was most awesome: Defcon, DebConf, Froscon, CCCamp all happening in the same few weeks ...
[08:12]  * larsu was climbing volcanos and walking through rain forest
[08:15] <Sweet5hark> larsu: thats hard to beat as an off hand comment ...
[08:16] <larsu> :)
[08:16] <seb128> citizenM fail, fire alarm and building evacuate at 3am, we stayed for half an hour in the street
[08:16] <seb128> which seemed an issue with the system, not a real problem
[08:16] <seb128> then we still had half an hour of blinking red lights
[08:17] <larsu> seb128, ugh, annoying
[08:17] <larsu> I hope you got some compensation?
[08:18] <seb128> free breakfast and extra coffee
[08:19] <larsu> seb128, hm :(
[08:23] <darkxst> hey seb128, Laney larsu didrocks
[08:25] <larsu> hi darkxst!
[08:25] <darkxst> where have you been larsu?
[08:25] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:26] <larsu> darkxst, costa rica
[08:26] <darkxst> larsu, oh wow that would be intersting
[08:26] <larsu> and nicaragua for a couple of days
[08:26] <larsu> it was indeed :)
[08:27] <didrocks> evening darkxst
[08:27] <darkxst> I had my shed warming party on the weekend! was a great night, although the sun came up before we got to bed!
[08:29] <darkxst> larsu, were you looking at gedit update?
[08:29] <larsu> no?!
[08:30] <Laney> good old shed
[08:30] <larsu> good old gedit
[08:30] <darkxst> Laney, shed is an awesome studio apartment now!
[08:30] <larsu> darkxst, we couldn't decide on the headerbar problem last we talked about it
[08:30] <larsu> (can't believe I'm already talking about header bars on the first morning back)
[08:31] <seb128> can't believie it took like an hour before that ;-)
[08:31] <pitti> oh, live in the channel!
[08:31]  * pitti waves good morning to seb128, didrocks, and larsu
[08:31] <larsu> hi pitti!
[08:31] <darkxst> feature freeze did just hit! and I swear I saw screenshots of gedit with the old toolbar last cycle
[08:31] <pitti> larsu: welcome back! we missed you
[08:31] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[08:31] <darkxst> hey pitti
[08:31] <larsu> pitti, thanks :)
[08:33] <darkxst> larsu, but removing headerbars and keeping otherwise the same UI is like 5 lines of code
[08:34] <larsu> darkxst, it's not about the amount of code, it's about the loss of toolbar
[08:34] <darkxst> larsu, the mac port may have lost the old toolbar now as well
[08:35] <didrocks> hey hey pitti!
[08:36] <darkxst> larsu, atleast from screenshots I was shown while you were away
[08:37] <larsu> darkxst, I know, and that's what my preferred solution is as well. But when we last discussed it, people were against it (understandably: it looses the toolbar for no real reason and people like it)
[08:37] <larsu> *loses
[08:37] <darkxst> larsu, some people want the header bars!
[08:37] <larsu> many people don't.
[08:38] <larsu> and they still don't work properly in compiz/unity
[08:39] <willcooke> hey larsu - welcome back!
[08:39] <larsu> shadow is ok now, but no transparancy behind the corners
[08:39] <larsu> willcooke, hi! Thanks. How are you?
[08:39] <darkxst> larsu, isnt that just because .titlebar is set?
[08:39] <seb128> larsu, we have Trevinho in our team to fix issues now though ;-)
[08:39] <willcooke> larsu, good thanks!  Did you have an amazing time?
[08:40] <larsu> seb128, HAHAHAAHHHA
[08:40] <seb128> :-)
[08:40] <larsu> darkxst, hm? in which case?
[08:41] <larsu> willcooke, yes. very much so
[08:41] <darkxst> the cases where you see corners in the non-header bar-ed apps
[08:41] <larsu> willcooke, a mixture of walking through rain forests, lying on beaches, onto volcanos, and drinking chile guaros
[08:42] <larsu> darkxst, no (and .titlebar is set)
[08:42] <darkxst> larsu, oh you talking about using actual headerbars in unity?
[08:44] <larsu> darkxst, I thought you were talking about that...
[08:44] <darkxst> Ive never actually trued that
[08:44] <larsu> in any case, even then we couldn't do it because LIM
[08:44] <larsu> showing the headerbar as a toolbar is very, very ugly
[08:44] <larsu> it works for some apps, but not gedit
[08:46] <willcooke> attente, did you hear that conversation between ted and Kaleo?  About gsettings access?
[09:02]  * Laney gets the main GCC5 transition on his desktop
[09:07] <seb128> excited? ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> already had it on my laptop :P
[09:08] <Laney> no drama
[09:08] <Laney> (boring)
[09:12] <didrocks> Laney: what? you didn't upgrade during debconf? :)
[09:12] <pitti> hey Laney, wie gehts? safe trip back?
[09:12] <Laney> didrocks: my desktop was off :P
[09:12] <Laney> pitti: hey! doing good!
[09:12] <Laney> more delays on the way back :)
[09:12] <Laney> I had to do a late night diversion to my parents
[09:13] <Laney> (which is closer to London than my home)
[09:13] <didrocks> Laney: ah, I for a second thought you tricked me into upgrading first!
[09:13] <didrocks> argh on more delays :/
[09:15] <Laney> someone sent me into a queue which took 10 minutes
[09:15]  * darkxst upgraded the puppies to gcc5 on the weekend for my party, they became normal and didnt try and eat the guests!
[09:15] <Laney> (the wrong queue it turns out)
[09:15] <Laney> and I was less than 10 minutes late for the train
[09:15] <Laney> annoying
[09:17] <darkxst> (real puppies at that!)
[09:18] <Laney> darkxst: your puppies are running the development version of Ubuntu!?!?!?!?!
[09:19] <darkxst> Laney, sure, and perhaps a magic mushrooms got lost at the party also!
[09:24] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, ${QT_INSTALL_BINS}/qmlplugindump -notrelocatable Ubuntu.Content 1.1 ../../
[09:24] <Laney> ah, you can tell there's a sprint going on
[09:24] <Laney> weird out of context lines start appearing :P
[09:25] <pitti> Laney, didrocks: tried "caff" again, and it's an usability nightmare :/ do you have any tips to make that DTRT?
[09:26] <pitti> in particular, it asks for my passphrase on the command line for each key ID, and it throws me into an interactive "gpg>" prompt without telling me what to do
[09:28] <didrocks> pitti: interesting about the passphrase, it only asked me once, I thought it was using an agent
[09:28] <didrocks> weird that it doesn't for you
[09:28] <pitti> what do you do in the gpg prompt?
[09:28] <didrocks> on an how-to, I followed https://wiki.debian.org/caff
[09:29] <didrocks> just type "save"
[09:29] <Laney> I seem to not have it configured atm
[09:29] <pitti> ah, -m yes
[09:29] <pitti> now I remember why I'm still using Keybuk's ancient signkeys.pl -- it just DTRT without any config
[09:32] <didrocks> yeah, you need to edit the config, but once done, it's quite nice
[09:37] <pitti> hm, I don't get around the stupid "save" thing in interactive gpg
[09:39] <pitti> ... or the "passphrase on every key"
[09:39]  * pitti gives up and returns to signkey.pl, for the fourth time :/
[09:39] <didrocks> :(
[09:40] <didrocks> 3% of chance to rain outside… well, we are in the 3 then :p
[09:40] <didrocks> (and really raining, likes cats and dogs)
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: splitthebill is now Laney-proof, where you add a lot of characters and try to destroy my layout :)
[09:44] <Laney> \o/
[09:46] <darkxst> its raining here!
[09:47] <darkxst> did have a few days of spring the last week though
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: ah, echo use-agent > ~/.caff/gnupghome/gpg.conf
[09:53] <didrocks> pitti: interesting, I don't even have that file
[09:53] <pitti> neither did I, apparently that was the problem
[09:53] <pitti> use-agent isn't the default
[11:01] <willcooke> tjaalton, hey!  Have you heard any reports in the last month of screen corruption and bad flickering when connecting an external display on Intel gfx?
[11:02] <tjaalton> willcooke: nnope
[11:02] <willcooke> tjaalton, oki, thanks
[11:02] <seb128> on trusty
[11:02]  * willcooke wonders if this is a hardware issue
[11:02] <tjaalton> original trusty? or 14.04.3?
[11:03] <willcooke> I'm on 14.04.3
[11:03] <tjaalton> so it's the vivid kernel
[11:03] <tjaalton> it's semi-broken on broadwell at least
[11:03] <willcooke> just downloading an ISO to test fresh
[11:04] <willcooke> We tried about 3 different kernels going back as far as .49 and it still happened.
[11:04] <willcooke> If I boot with the screen connected, everything works
[11:04] <seb128> tjaalton, we tried to boot older kernels without much luck though
[11:05] <tjaalton> what hw is this?
[11:05] <willcooke> tjaalton, it's a Thinkpad X220
[11:05] <willcooke> X220i if that makes any difference
[11:05] <tjaalton> sandybridge-ish
[11:05] <tjaalton> so kinda old
[11:05] <tjaalton> what's .49?
[11:05] <willcooke> the kernel version
[11:05] <tjaalton> 3.13.0-49?
[11:05] <seb128> tjaalton, kernel version
[11:06] <willcooke> yeah
[11:06] <tjaalton> snb hasn't changed much there, it's fairly stock 3.13
[11:06] <tjaalton> but you get 3.19 with 14.04.3 image
[11:06] <seb128> we lost laney?
[11:07] <willcooke> I'll see if I can find a fellow X220 user with 14.04.3 in the office...
[11:10] <tjaalton> so it's a regression then?
[11:11] <Guest65212> seb128: INCOGNITO!
[11:11] <seb128> lol
[11:11] <Laney> silly freenode
[11:12] <willcooke> tjaalton, If it's a real s/w issue, then yes I think so.  I'll try and boot off this ISO and see what happens...
[11:12] <willcooke> Oh, this from syslog...
[11:12] <larsu> how do we know you're the real Laney?
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579338] [drm] Wrong MCH_SSKPD value: 0x16040307
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579341] [drm] This can cause pipe underruns and display issues.
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579342] [drm] Please upgrade your BIOS to fix this.
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579681] input: ThinkPad Extra Buttons as /devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input7
[11:12] <seb128> Laney, larsu, darkxst, should we just land new gedit without toolbar this cycle and see how it goes so we can react/adapt next cycle for the lts?
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.611030] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.6.0 loaded
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.635895] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.648584] [drm] GMBUS [i915 gmbus dpb] timed out, falling back to bit banging on pin 5
[11:12] <larsu> seb128, strong yes from me
[11:12] <willcooke> tjaalton, any idea if any of that is relevant?   ^
[11:13] <Laney> larsu: you trust my nickserv identification
[11:13] <Laney> :)
[11:13] <larsu> Laney, oh - can I ask it?
[11:13] <Laney> also, I need £10k
[11:13] <tjaalton> willcooke: could be, check if you have bios updates available
[11:13] <Laney> via your local western union office should be fine
[11:13] <larsu> Laney, what bicycle helmet would you suggest me to buy?
[11:13] <Laney> haha
[11:13] <Laney> is this a test?
[11:14] <Laney> I don't wear one :P
[11:14] <willcooke> tjaalton, will do, thx
[11:14] <Laney> seb128: sure, I seem to remember that the osx stuff needs splitting up though
[11:14] <larsu> ok. real Laney. NickServ doesn't know shit!
[11:14] <larsu> Laney, splitting up?
[11:14] <Laney> we want to use the osx ui right?
[11:14] <larsu> didn't my patch land?
[11:14] <Laney> dunno
[11:15] <larsu> if it did, master should do the right thing on unity
[11:15] <larsu> ah wait..., I might be confused
[11:16] <Laney> I know I am
[11:16] <larsu> at least you know it!
[11:26] <larsu> Laney, indeed not: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741904
[11:27] <willcooke> tjaalton, so, turns out popey has the same thing on W and V.  Wondering if something got backported to T recently as part of HWE which is causing it.  I've got an old 14.04.2 ISO which I'm going to try
[11:28] <popey> bug 1421575
[11:29] <popey> willcooke: ^
[11:31] <willcooke> yeah, that's the fella
[11:32] <willcooke> popey, so you copied a monitors.xml and that fixed it? Like, really fixed it?
[11:39] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[11:39] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[11:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so, I got an arduino, I can't remember if there is support in umake for it, though
[11:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the support is very limited, as it's just about installing the ide and put you in correct group, but yeah, it should work (I don't have one myself, so relying only on the written tests ;))
[11:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: with latest version, it should just be "umake ide arduino"
[11:41] <rickspencer3> ok
[11:42] <rickspencer3> didrocks, will it work ok on 14.04?
[11:42] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yes, if you upgraded using the ubuntu-make ppa
[11:42] <didrocks> ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make
[12:47]  * rickspencer3 tries umake ide arduino
[12:49] <willcooke> seb128, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421575
[12:53] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so, it worked perfectly except for one small thing
[12:54] <rickspencer3> I needed to run sudo chmod a+xrw /dev/ttyUSB0 after connecting the arduino board
[12:54] <rickspencer3> I suspect that this is not totally a no-brainer to fix because it won't always be on ttyUSB0
[12:54] <rickspencer3> but, should I log a bug?
[12:54] <didrocks> rickspencer3: even once you logout and login back?
[12:54] <rickspencer3> didrocks, oh, I didn't do that
[12:54] <didrocks> I'm adding you to the group which should give you access to it
[12:55] <didrocks> hem, was written as the last line :p
[12:55] <rickspencer3> I just ran the ide and attached my arduino
[12:55] <didrocks> yeah, so you are being added to a new group
[12:55] <didrocks> and that's why the final umake message is "please logout and login back"
[12:55] <didrocks> (or something along this line)
[12:55] <rickspencer3> oh
[12:55] <rickspencer3> that would have required reading
[12:55] <rickspencer3> ;)
[12:55] <rickspencer3> ok, nm :)
[12:56] <didrocks> heh, sure :p
[12:56] <didrocks> great to hear that it worked out though :)
[12:56] <willcooke> :D
[12:56] <ogra_> arduino is for people that cant affort snappy boards, right ? :P
[12:57] <rickspencer3> ogra_, well, I met a lot of people recently who love arduino, so i wanted to see what it's all about
[12:57] <rickspencer3> but ...
[12:57] <ogra_> :)
[12:57] <rickspencer3> it seems like a BBB is much more capable
[12:57] <ogra_> yes, it is
[12:57] <rickspencer3> seems like arduino can only run one program
[12:57] <rickspencer3> and I have to write the program in their c language
[12:58] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[12:58] <ogra_> the BBB is an actual computer ... arduino is just a microcontroller
[12:58] <rickspencer3> seems like arduino is just for hacking
[12:58] <rickspencer3> yeah, exactly
[13:00] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I wonder if it might be nice to have a post somewhere about when to use arduino vs. a BBB kind of thing?
[13:01] <rickspencer3> I ask because a lot of people asked me about why they would ever use snappy
[13:01] <ogra_> i bet there are 100s of such articles out there
[13:01]  * ogra_ never googled though :)
[13:01] <rickspencer3> they obviously never distributed apps, tried to interface with the devices, etc...
[13:04] <ogra_> rickspencer3, the point is that there is about 10x as much documentation and examples for arduino than you find for RPi and BBB together
[13:05] <ogra_> and it is cheap
[13:05] <rickspencer3> ogra_, not even to mention examples for snappy ;)
[13:05] <ogra_> all the five of them ?
[13:05] <ogra_> :)
[13:05] <rickspencer3> ogra_, but, well, I think many people just hack a device together for themselves, and never really worry about distribution, updates, etc...
[13:05] <rickspencer3> much less security
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, thats the point
[13:06] <ogra_> my heating control doesnt have any security either :) ... my network does thogh
[13:09] <willcooke> rickspencer3, you get really good insight in to the impact of clock speed when you start playing with microcontrollers, and quite how insanely fast 3Ghz is.
[13:13] <davmor2> willcooke: create a simon says game based on it, when nobody can complete it every the proof will be known ;)
[14:04] <Sweet5hark> anyone want to buy facebook and google stock at yesterdays prices? Only selling for EUR not USD, I only buy hard currency ...
[14:12] <desrt> Sweet5hark: O_o
[14:30] <Laney> pitti / didrocks: Care to quickly review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/xpathselect/g++5/+merge/268923 ?
[14:30]  * Laney spied you are in the right team
[14:31] <pitti> Laney: done
[14:31] <Laney> thanks!
[14:32] <Laney> we should do an Ubuntu test build to find leftovers like this
[14:32] <Laney> it was only autopkgtest that stopped breakage getting through
[14:32] <Laney> (and actually it didn't - unity migrated)
[15:06] <kirkland> Trevinho: didrocks: hey guys!  is there any way to restore the non-unity alt-tab (static application switcher) from the command line?
[15:06] <kirkland> Trevinho: didrocks: I see the ccsm way via http://askubuntu.com/questions/68151/how-do-i-revert-alt-tab-behavior-to-switch-between-windows-on-the-current-worksp
[15:06] <kirkland> Trevinho: didrocks: but I'd really like to do it from the command line, via gconf, or something
[15:06] <Trevinho> kirkland: hi
[15:07] <kirkland> Trevinho: howdy!
[15:07] <Trevinho> kirkland: compiz uses gsettings, then indeed you can do that
[15:07] <Trevinho> kirkland: you've to ensure you use the right settings profile, though
[15:07] <kirkland> Trevinho: nice -- could you help me with that?
[15:08] <Trevinho> kirkland: basically use something like gsettings set org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/<plugin-name>, than tab-completion should help you
[15:09] <Trevinho> kirkland: so for example for setting the active plugins:
[15:09] <Trevinho> gsettings set org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins "['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'unitymtgrabhandles', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', 'unityshell']"
[15:09] <Trevinho> ("add to that list 'switcher')
[15:09] <kirkland> Trevinho: okay, let me try a few things
[15:10] <Trevinho> err, tab-completion doesn't work... but well you only have to use the same pattern with key-names
[15:10] <Trevinho> kirkland: you can find the option names by listing keys or dconf-editor
[15:14] <didrocks> kirkland: note that switcher needs to be place before unityshell
[15:14] <didrocks> in the active-plugins list
[15:38] <K1Du> hi
[15:48] <K1Du> can anyone help me with 1 issue?
[21:03] <Sweet5hark> hmm, am I seeing ghosts or is clucene-dev uninstallable in wily (proposed)?
[21:31] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, you are seeing ghosts ;P
[21:32] <kenvandine> boo!
[21:32] <kenvandine> :)


[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:35] <dholbach> iulian, thanks!
[09:36] <iulian> dholbach: No probs.
[20:18] <ESphynx> hey guys... can we upgrade to Utopic already?
[20:26] <Unit193> ESphynx: On a technical level?  Sure, but it's not released yet of course.
[21:37] <ESphynx> Unit193: yeah just wondering if apt-get dist-upgrade is going to bring me up to Utopic? To test with the latest packages and stuff? (and assuming it's usable :P)
[21:38] <Unit193> ESphynx: Of course it won't, but you can  do-release-upgrade -d  to it.
[21:39] <ESphynx> ah! :) thanks
[21:39] <ESphynx> it'd be usable?
[21:45] <ESphynx> come to think of it, I need this laptop for doing presentations so I better not :P