[00:01] <bob2> <3 git's index
[02:02] <michaelh> Hey, I'm getting a zlib integrity check error while doing a bzr export.  Should two packs with the same name have the same content?
[02:02] <michaelh> Huh, the pack name seems to be the md5sum of the file...
[02:05] <spiv> michaelh: right
[02:06] <michaelh> Two machines, one pack file, and they differ in one byte part way through.  I'm assuming dodgy host.
[02:06] <spiv> michaelh: so md5sum of the file is a good quick check for corruption that's happened after the pack was generated.
[02:06] <spiv> michaelh: that sounds most likely to me too
[02:06] <michaelh> It's strange as the problem happened yesterday as well.  A nuke, re-fetch was OK but failed again today
[02:07] <michaelh> (which also sounds like a dodgy host)
[02:07] <spiv> Agreed.
[02:08] <michaelh> Once a pack has been fetched, does it ever change?
[02:08] <lifeless> no
[02:08] <lifeless> write once
[02:08] <michaelh> (ah, but it can't as contents==md5sum)
[02:08] <lifeless> very hard to have bugs that way
[02:09] <lifeless> we compact multiple packs together from time to time to amortize the time/space tradeoff
[02:09] <michaelh> Hmm.  I'll keep an eye on it.
[02:09] <lifeless> but all reads get the zlib extraction and validation done, and then recompressed into the new pack, so hard for things to slip through there as well
[05:09] <jono> hey folks
[05:09] <jono> can nayone help me fix this error I get when pushing:
[05:09] <jono> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-accomplishments-system/adminportal/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[05:10] <spiv> jono: "bzr lp-login && bzr push --overwrite lp:~jonobacon/ubuntu-accomplishments-system/adminportal"
[05:10] <jono> thanks spiv
[07:59] <mgz> morning!
[08:03] <jelmer> moin
[08:04] <mgz> hey jelmer
[08:07] <jam> jelmer: see you in mumble in a bit?
[18:26] <Marqin> hi
[18:26] <Marqin> where to find in .bzr files Changelog?
[21:27] <arand> I've: branched lp:ubuntu/precise/redeclipse; added a commit with a patch (committed applied as per the repo setup from original Debian import); branched lp:ubuntu/redeclipse; tried to (fast-forward) merge the former into the latter:
[21:27] <arand> Then I get this error: bzr: ERROR: Unable to unapply quilt patches for 'other' tree: rmdir: failed to remove `.pc/security-text-command-fix.patch': No such file or directory
[21:27] <arand> Likewise when I do a --pull merge and then try to use "bzr up"
[22:36] <wgz> arand: you might want to post to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for help with bzr-builddeb things
[22:38] <arand> well, the command itself if just a plain merge, does bzr detect that it is packaging in the repos and add some bzr-bs vodoo on top?
[22:38] <wgz> no.
[22:39] <wgz> if you're using the bzr-builddeb plugin on packaging branches it adds some fancy stuff to merge
[22:39] <wgz> see that plugin's documentation for how to configure it.
[22:55] <mgrandi> question, does anyone know how to change the name that bazaar explorer shows for a branch?
[22:56] <mgrandi> cause having a bunch of trunk->trunk names doesn't help
[22:58] <wgz> `bzr nick whatever-you-like`
[23:00] <mgrandi> that doesn't seem to do anything to bzr explorer
[23:01] <wgz> hm. it might be resolutely using folder names instead.
[23:02] <mgrandi> ill add that to the list of bug reports haha
[23:03] <mgrandi> also, on my todo list for today is to finally file the bug report against yui, do i link that to any lp bug?
[23:04] <wgz> yeah... what was it again.
[23:05] <mgrandi> opera failing on urls and giving like launchpad.net/bugs/null
[23:05] <wgz> bug 897277
[23:06] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 897277 in Launchpad itself "Going to +bugs results in incorrect URL location" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897277
[23:07] <mgrandi> ok i'll link it there
[23:10] <mgrandi> or maybe i'll fix it myself since i semi know pyqt4!
[23:12] <mgrandi> is there a special way to link that? i see a RDF metadata thingy, but im not sure how to link other bug trackers
[23:13] <wgz> you can set a url on https://bugs.launchpad.net/yui/+bug/897277/+editstatus but yui uses a weird tracker so I'm not sure that'll work nicely
[23:13] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 897277 in Launchpad itself "Going to +bugs results in incorrect URL location" [Low,Triaged]
[23:14] <mgrandi> ok
[23:24] <quotemstr> Can I change a branch's URL?
[23:24] <quotemstr> I have a read-only branch and I'd like to change its URL so I can push to it.
[23:26] <wgz> ...yes? though I don't really understand what you're trying to do
[23:27] <wgz> I mean, mv changes a branch's URL, but doesn't make it writable
[23:27] <quotemstr> I have a clone of a branch from Savannah. It's a bzr:// URL.
[23:27] <quotemstr> I'd like to start using bzr+ssh:// without pulling down the entire branch again.
[23:27] <wgz> bzr pull --remember bzr+ssh://
[23:28] <wgz> (and the rest of the location)
[23:28] <quotemstr> Ah, okay.
[23:28] <quotemstr> Thanks.
[23:28] <wgz> push --remember too, though if it was read-only before you've probably not pushed previously


[00:02] <Sphinx_away> Hello, I just wanted to see what is happening here.
[00:02] <Sphinx_away> bazhang: thanks for asking
[00:02] <bazhang> Sphinx_away, ok. as per the topic though could you please part
[00:03] <Flannel> Sphinx_away: We take care of operator related requests in the ubuntu channels.  In order to make our jobs easier, we do ask people don't idle/spectate here though.  Thank you for your understanding, we appreciate it.
[00:07] <Flannel> derek_smart: Do you know why you were banned?
[00:08] <derek_smart> yes i was being disruptive in the channel
[00:10] <Flannel> derek_smart: And if you're unbanned, will you continue to be disruptive?
[00:11] <derek_smart> never again
[00:12] <Flannel> derek_smart: Have you read the IRC guidelines and the Code of Conduct?
[00:13] <derek_smart> upon getting banned i skimmed over the two in order to prevent further displays of buffonery
[00:13] <derek_smart> lest i get banned once again
[00:13] <derek_smart> although i must admit that i dont know every entry by heart
[00:14] <Flannel> derek_smart: Alright.  Take some time right now and actually read them, not just skim.
[00:14] <Flannel> You really shouldn't accuse other people of not following the code of conduct if you haven't yourself read them.
[00:16] <derek_smart> im having issues understanding the following
[00:16] <derek_smart> "Members of every project come and go and Ubuntu is no different. When somebody leaves or disengages from the project, in whole or in part, we ask that they do so in a way that minimises disruption to the project."
[00:16] <Flannel> derek_smart: What about that don't you understand?
[00:17] <derek_smart> i am not part of a project so i assume it does not apply, unless the irc channel is considered a project
[00:17] <derek_smart> is it?
[00:17] <elky> that is more aimed at developers and team leaders than irc channel chatters
[00:18] <elky> but it basically means "dont kick over sand castles and throw the toys out of the sand pit"
[00:18] <elky> the way it refers to the irc channels would be like "dont be rude on your way out the door" kind of thing
[00:19] <elky> that make sense? :)
[00:20] <derek_smart> well ive read the code of conduct (COC) in its entirety. im considerably more apt (apt-get get-it?) for #ubuntu, or at least id like to think so
[00:20] <Flannel> derek_smart: And the IRC guidelines?
[00:21] <derek_smart> one more question -- is talk about The Hurd appreciated?
[00:21] <derek_smart> oh i have overlooked the document in question, ill ammend this shortly
[00:22] <Flannel> derek_smart: Hurd doesn't apply to Ubuntu support, so it would be offtopic in #ubuntu
[00:24] <ubot3`> In #ubuntu-release-party, emma said: !no, isitout is <reply> Yes! And it's wonderful! Please try to use a torrent or a mirror to get your downloads. Torrents at http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[00:24] <derek_smart> ok i guess my behaviour fits under attention grabbing
[00:28] <derek_smart> im done reading it btw
[00:28] <derek_smart> im ready to be reinstated (i kinda feel like the main guy in clockwork orange after rehabilitation)
[00:32] <Flannel> derek_smart: Alright, I've removed your ban.
[00:32] <derek_smart> most gracious
[00:33] <derek_smart> ~~Cloud Of Smoke~~
[00:33] <ubot3`> derek_smart: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[00:35] <topyli> Sphinx_away, anything we can help you with?
[01:17] <tsimpson> bot'll be back soon
[04:45] <wgrant> !keyserver
[04:45] <wgrant> +1
[04:46] <wgrant> I recommend s/pgp.mit.edu/pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ too
[04:49] <mneptok> Sphinx_away: if you have no further business here, as per the /topic could you please /part ?
[04:49] <mneptok> Sphinx_away: you were asked to do this almost 5 hours ago
[04:59] <MenZa> mneptok: /remove?
[04:59] <MenZa> mneptok: (also, good morning)
[05:00] <MenZa> &w 77
[05:03] <rww> Good day folks. The !keyserver factoid points to http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/ . This is not the correct URL, as the keyserver's web interface is on port 11371.
[05:20] <MenZa> Does mikeru have a history?
[05:21] <MenZa> It sounds familiar.
[05:21] <MenZa> rww: orly :o
[05:21] <MenZa> !keyserver
[05:22] <MenZa> rww: I don't have bot access to change factoids, but I'll poke someone who does when they return :)
[05:22] <rww> MenZa: thanks :)
[05:22] <MenZa> rww: get your butt back to -ot
[09:00] <Sphinx_away> Hello, I am sorry for being too long time yesterday here.
[09:03] <Sphinx_away> I spent few hours on kubuntu channel and it seemed to me that the questions that incomming people had could be more easily answered if there was some FAQ ... with basic commands/recipes. I think that is so usual that there must be something. So is there some doc where basic users can find how to repair their grub, boot from live cd ...?
[09:04] <Sphinx_away> I asked on kubuntu channed and was told to go here.
[09:07] <Sphinx> The person who advised me to go here mentionned that ubuntu bot is not complex now to do this
[09:08] <Sphinx> and btw, I was here for several hours, because I went to sleep and have not read your messages before that.
[09:20] <mneptok> Sphinx: such things are better discussed in #ubuntu-irc
[09:21] <Sphinx> Ah, okay, so what is this channel good for? I mean with what issues shold I go here?
[09:21] <Sphinx> I do not get it clearly
[09:21] <mneptok> Sphinx: and the Ubuntu wiki already provides most of what you suggest
[09:21] <Sphinx> mneptok: it would be better if it could be automated by a bot
[09:21] <mneptok> this channel is for problems and issues with IRC that require ops attention
[09:21] <Sphinx> ah, okay
[09:22] <Sphinx> then I get why I was kicked
[09:22] <mneptok> !info digikam
[09:22] <mneptok> !photos
[09:22] <mneptok> !mp3
[09:22] <Sphinx> mneptok: yes, but try to get how to repair grub
[09:22] <mneptok> !grub
[09:22] <Sphinx> which is quite freqent issue
[09:22] <mneptok> !grub2
[09:23] <Sphinx> yes, those are projects, but not guidelines
[09:23] <mneptok> uhhh
[09:23] <mneptok> the links all point to wiki entries on how to use and repair grub
[09:23] <Sphinx> mneptok: you know something like: Annonymous just enters the room ... Hi all, I need help, my kubuntu doesnot boot ...
[09:24] <Sphinx> mneptok: it might be good idea to add links for basic things to bot
[09:24] <mneptok> and a bot answers without specifically being asked a question? bad idea in a channel of 100+ people
[09:24] <mneptok> or 1000+
[09:25] <Sphinx> mneptok: yes, of course, but yesterday I spent there several hours and maybe 4 of 7 users I advised needed this kind of information
[09:26] <mneptok> and you should refer them to the wiki pages with detailed instruction on how to repair grub just like the bot refers people to those pages
[09:26] <MenZa> Sphinx: Invoke the bot 7 times, then.
[09:26] <mneptok> !away > Sphinx
[09:26] <mneptok> and there's something just for you ;)
[09:27] <Sphinx> mneptok: yes, wouldn't it be good idea to use something like ubottu: grub-reparation: see http://
[09:27] <Sphinx> mneptok: thanks
[09:27] <mneptok> Sphinx: i fail to see how that's any better than the existing factoid
[09:28] <MenZa> Sphinx: Give a man a fish and he'll be fed for the day. Teach a man to fish and he'll be fed for the rest of his life.
[09:28] <MenZa> Sphinx: It gives new users a chance to dig through documentation to solve problems in the future.
[09:28] <Sphinx> mneptok: it is an extension ... MenZa: yes I want to have just nicer table to teach the men
[09:28] <MenZa> They might even learn something about other things than their specific issue they can use if they get a differerent error some other time.
[09:29] <Sphinx> MenZa: well, yes that is what I talk about
[09:30] <Sphinx> MenZa: it is easy to point them to wiki, but you have to repeat that every time so having some message that could contain description of error and point to several links would be nice and more handy to me
[09:30] <Sphinx> not to people I advise to
[09:31] <mneptok> Sphinx: you'd have to repeat that for every user, too
[09:31] <Sphinx> It could contain also some information like: grub is ... to do ...
[09:31] <Sphinx> mneptok: yes, but it would save my fingers
[09:31] <MenZa> ubottu is not the "All-Knowing Ubuntu Encyclopedia"
[09:31] <MenZa> It's, among other things, a factoid tracker for common problems.
[09:31] <mneptok> Sphinx: no one forces you to be on IRC, or to help people when you are.
[09:31] <Sphinx> MenZa: no, I do not speak about major changes, just small improvements
[09:32] <Sphinx> mneptok: sorry, bad verb, ... conserve ?
[09:33] <mneptok> Sphinx: the bot's functionality has worked very well for a long time. and i think it falls under the "ain't broke, not fixing" umbrella
[09:33] <Sphinx> mneptok:  I like to be here and try solve other peoples problem, I do not want to complain, just want to know whom address to with small improvement
[09:33] <Sphinx> mneptok: ah, opk
[09:33] <mneptok> Sphinx: spend some time learning how to use what is already there
[09:34] <Sphinx> mneptok: where to find intro/guide ..?
[09:34] <Sphinx> guidelines?
[09:34] <mneptok> Sphinx: watch on #ubuntu
[09:34] <bazhang> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi Sphinx
[09:34] <mneptok> Sphinx: many people use the bot every day
[09:34] <Sphinx> mneptok: yes, I know
[09:35] <Sphinx> however if it is not improved time to time, what will happen with it
[09:36] <Sphinx> nevertheless, I get the state
[09:36] <Sphinx> thanks for links and intro to ubuntu channels :-)
[09:36] <mneptok> np. enjoy your time on IRC.
[09:37] <mneptok> and with that, it's bedtime
[09:37]  * Gary tucks mneptok in
[09:38]  * mneptok goes to dream of carnivorous toilets trampling a mesozoic landscape
[09:39] <mneptok> oh, and a nude Gary pole-vaulting over megalodons while whistling Lloyd-Webber tunes
[09:39] <mneptok> (i have an .... interesting ... fantasy life)
[09:40] <Gary> only fantasy?
[09:40] <mneptok> Gary: until you can pole-vault the Atlantic, yes :(
[09:51] <jussi01> ubottu: ping
[09:51] <jussi01> ubot3:  ping
[09:51] <ubot3> pong!
[11:52] <MasterJimmy> hey guys, i deserve to offer you all an apology. I'm a Christian, and I've been acting, well....utterly horrible since i've been on these IRC rooms. I don't curse in real life, and i certainly don't say and talk about the things i have here in real life. I sincerely apologize for my actions. Maybe you don't see it as being a bad thing, but for me, I'm showing you a bad name for those who are christians. I apologize.
[11:52] <MasterJimmy> this is Psinetic btw
[11:53] <MasterJimmy> just thought i'd toss that in there. a simple "i'm sorry" isn't good enough. catch you guys later.
[12:16] <bazhang> interesting
[12:19] <elky> if i s/christian/human/ then it does make sense.
[13:54] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-release-party
[13:59] <jussi01> arrgh
[13:59] <jussi01> @login
[14:01] <jussi01> nalioth: can you make sure ubot3 syncs factoids soon?
[14:37] <nhandler> Just out of curiosity, when are you guys planning on removing the forward on #ubuntu+1 ?
[17:02] <Pici> @login
[17:21] <jussi01> nhandler: usually alpha 1.
[17:41] <Pici> or just before it
[18:00] <Psinetic> someone please explain to me why the mod warns me and i get kicked right after...
 !stop | Psinetic
 Psinetic: NOTICE - Please stop NOW. This conversation is making someone uncomfortable. Continuing may result in action being taken. You have been warned. Please /msg ubottu o4o for the rules of #ubuntu-offtopic.
[18:00] <Psinetic> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Seeker`
[18:00] <Psinetic> * You have been kicked from #ubuntu-offtopic by Seeker` (come back when you have calmed down)
[18:00] <Psinetic> * Now talking on #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:00] <Psinetic> since when do people warn and then kick side by side?
[18:00] <nalioth> Psinetic: h00k is not a mod
[18:01] <Psinetic> does it matter?
[18:01] <Psinetic> it was a warning was it not?
[18:01] <nalioth> evidently you are past the 'warning point'
[18:01] <Psinetic> i don't see how.
[18:01] <Psinetic> i was going to stop when i saw that
[18:01] <Psinetic> then i got kicked
[18:01] <Seeker`> why didn't you stop after you were asked to stop the previous time?
[18:02] <Psinetic> because i was asking why saying the word "fag" was such a big deal.
[18:02] <Psinetic> that's why
[18:02] <nalioth> you shouldn't have to wait for a warning to be decent
[18:02] <Seeker`> or do we have to ask you not to use each and every insult individually
[18:03] <Psinetic> seriously, what's up with this being so liberal?
[18:04] <Seeker`> again, what do you mean by "liberal"?
[18:04] <Seeker`> you keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means
[18:05] <Psinetic> i mean i'm not even doing anything major and everyone flips out and gets their panties in a wad at the smallest things
[18:06] <Flannel> Psinetic: You started out poorly with the "fags should die"
[18:06] <Seeker`> the rules of the channel are clearly stated
[18:06] <Seeker`> as far as I am aware, noone is forcing you to chat in that channel
[18:06] <Psinetic> more like stated generally so that the mods and admins can pretty much do whatever they want
[18:07] <Seeker`> and I don't think that the equivalent of "please please help me you jerks" has ever been a good way of asking for help
[18:07] <Psinetic> since you quoted that, i want to see the quote directly from the channel
[18:07] <Psinetic> i didn't say that
[18:08] <Psinetic> don't put words in my mouth
[18:08] <Seeker`> I wasn't quoting you
[18:08] <Seeker`> i said "the equivalent of"
[18:08] <Psinetic> w/e you say
[18:08] <Seeker`> but, since you asked
[18:08] <Seeker`> -19:59:18- :Psinetic : maybe if people weren't a bunch of jerks i'd be fine.
[18:09] <Psinetic> i know i said that. it was a response to someone else
[18:09] <Psinetic> not related to my question at all
[18:09] <Psinetic> so again, don't put words in my mouth please
[18:10] <Seeker`> again, i said that you said _the equivalent of_ that. You called everyone jerks, and I really hope you won't try to argue that you weren't asking for help
[18:11] <Psinetic> how about you guys give me a list of words i shouldn't use instead of just saying "don't say that!!!!!"    Usually this means we add a forward to here so we can chat to the user, having a similar effect.
[18:33] <Psinetic> yeah i joined this channel on my own because i was pissed off that that's the action seeker chose was just to up and kick me
[18:35] <topyli> jussi01, Psinetic is not banned, he's just here to discuss the policy of the pub
[18:35] <jussi01> topyli: Ive been told, thanks
[18:37] <Psinetic> well. thanks for the helps guys. have a good night, i'm certainly not gonna sleep tonight.
[19:44] <Mamarok> !staff
[19:44] <Mamarok> what's going on?
[19:45] <jrib> Mamarok: excellent question
[19:45] <Pricey> Mamarok: aware, dealing
[19:45] <Mamarok> Pricey: thx, it's in all freenode apparently, #amarok, etc.
[19:50] <Amaranth> eep, chanserv down
[19:50]  * Amaranth waits for floods
[19:51] <Seeker`> what does it mean "nick collision from syn"?
[19:51] <Amaranth> Seeker`: it means something bad happened
[19:51] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[19:52] <Mamarok> maybe somebody made a typo and klined a node...
[19:52] <Mamarok> I mean, a typo cut off Sweden from the internet for a whole day, didn't it?
[19:53] <Mamarok> :)
[19:53] <Amaranth> hehe, nickserv fail
[19:53] <Pricey> 19:53:35 <+~christel> rwg|desktop: the timeprint should inform you that its a kline from february, predating syn -- we're trying to work out why she went  insane now or why she thinks we all match it
[19:54] <Mamarok> 19:53:35 <+~christel> rwg|desktop: the timeprint should inform you that its a kline from february, predating syn -- we're trying to work out why she went insane now or why she thinks we all match it
[19:54] <Mamarok> what the?
[19:54] <Guest31767> anyone want to paste it a third time
[19:54] <Guest31767> :P
[19:54] <Pricey> Guest31767: you're just tempting me there
[19:55] <Amaranth> 19:53:35 <+~christel> rwg|desktop: the timeprint should inform you that its a kline from february, predating syn -- we're trying to work out why she went insane now or why she thinks we all match it
[19:55] <Amaranth> sure, why not?
[19:55] <Mamarok> :)
[19:55] <Guest31767> cool, thanks
[19:55] <Guest31767> had problems reading it the first two times
[19:55] <Guest31767> that just made it extra clear
[21:03] <nhandler> jussi01 / Pici: Might I suggest opening it up sooner? There is no technical reason not to do so. And technically, once the lucid repos open up, people can "upgrade". There is already a forum on ubuntuforums.org open, and discussion is already underway
[21:06] <ikonia> nhandler: seems a reasonable request, I always wish it was open a bit later as it stops silly people joining and asking to upgrade with no-understanding of the consiquences
[21:07] <nalioth> when are the brakes engaging on #ubuntu-release-party ?
[21:07] <ikonia> nalioth: as soon as you want from my point of view
[21:43] <LjL> just to make you aware there's in excess of 200 in -unregged, i guess because the bots restored +J after the bot killae without anyone noticing
[23:39] <nhandler> ikonia: I have to disagree with you. I would much rather have a person join #ubuntu+1 and have the reasons for not upgrading to lucid at this time explained to them than not provide them with a place to ask their questions and have them just upgrade.
[23:43] <Amaranth> aww, I was enjoying the silence
[23:43] <Amaranth> Seriously though, I've always been for opening the channel sooner
[23:44] <Amaranth> Although this time the lucid repos have existed since release day so that's not a good marker
[23:44] <nalioth> nhandler: at this stage "just upgrading" is a pretty high-level exercise
[23:49] <Pici> I think most people will just try to use #u+1 for support of karmic/jaunty.
[23:50] <Pici> I think we should also close #u-r-p today or tomorrow
[23:50] <nalioth> at this time, you are probably correct, Pici (support for current Ubuntu)
[23:55] <nhandler> nalioth: I wouldn't call it a "high-level exercise". At least in the past, once the toolchain is uploaded, threads on the forums usually start popping up where people explain how you can simply s/karmic/lucid/g in /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade to lucid. However, I'll leave the decision up to you guys


[01:20] <sanubuntu> hey guys what could be the problem, i installed 9.10 on a machine last nite with no hitches, but when i installed on this toshiba satellite laptop, i get no desktop image, just a black screen .. the system is useable, i have my menus and gnome panels, but no desktop (so also when i tried to save a vid to desktop, it doesn't appear)
[01:25] <likemindead> Did you try it via the Live CD first?
[01:26] <likemindead> Can you drop to a CLI & run updates?
[01:27] <sanubuntu> likeminded, yes it had standard background in live .. i installed ubuntu studio desktop after installation, now that i remember, and after that no image
[01:29] <sanubuntu> likeminded, sudo apt-get updates ?
[01:33] <sanubuntu> damn, i can't even get my flashplugin installed right ..
[01:33] <sanubuntu> arrrrgggghhhhhhh
[01:34] <likemindead> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (minus the quotes).
[01:39] <sanubuntu> likemindead, k i did that prolly have to restart to see if it took .. b4 i do that, can you tell me what might be wrong with my flash?  i installed from synaptic, and its showing as installed, but can't get any video
[01:40] <likemindead> You want to "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras" (you are running Xubuntu, right?).
[01:40] <sanubuntu> ubuntu
[01:40] <sanubuntu> so same just with ubuntu then?
[01:40] <likemindead> Okay. Install "ubuntu-restricted-extras" then.
[01:40] <likemindead> And head over to #ubuntu. ;-)
[01:40] <sanubuntu> k, lemme try
[01:41] <sanubuntu> i like it better here :)
[01:41] <likemindead> Xubuntu _is_ better.
[01:41] <likemindead> :D
[01:44] <likemindead> And yes, sanubuntu, I would reboot.
[01:45] <sanubuntu> k, ubuntu extras almost done then i reboot, thx i be back in a while :)
[01:46] <likemindead> Certainly.
[03:03] <andy1> hello?
[03:03] <andy1> can anyone help me?
[03:06] <likemindead> -____-
[03:19] <Tonno> how do I change the driver of my graphic card on xubuntu?
[03:22] <likemindead> What kind of card, Tonno?
[03:22] <likemindead> System>Hardware Drivers is one way.
[03:23] <likemindead> Searching Synaptic Package Manager will give you further options.
[03:23] <Tonno> i have to use a openchrome but i think that i using a vesa generic
[04:09] <qwebirc42894> Can someone help
[09:04] <xharx> problem with karmic: I have crashes when the battery reaches about 50%. I have tried mainline kernels and I have no problem with the battery, but now I have no trackpad support. How can I fix this. Where do I find a kernel to go with
[09:30] <dtox> iam using xubuntu 9.10..it doesnt install vmware workstation from the package manager..help plzzz
[12:58] <XubuntuNewUser> Hi! I didn't get mms to work with Totem so I uninstalled totem-gstreamer and installed totem-xine. But Totem is STILL using Gstreamer! Why?
[12:58] <XubuntuNewUser> And I can't find the Totem-Xine.
[12:58] <XubuntuNewUser> Where is it+
[12:58] <XubuntuNewUser> ?
[12:59] <XubuntuNewUser> Any IRC channel for Totem? I can't find one (that is for the Totem player).
[13:01] <Xubuntus> (Changed nick from XubuntuNewUser, just in case you think I'm gone. But I suppose you also se me logging out and in again here above.)
[13:01] <Xubuntus> Any ideas to the questions above?
[13:01] <Xubuntus> Anyone managing to play mms streams?
[13:04] <Xubuntus> Okay.  :D
[13:32] <messiah>  i re-installed xubuntu due to my problem with static IP, and i can't see again my NTFS partitions; which was the things i had to install? ntfs-3g and ntfs-configuration???? from terminal or sypnatic or packages normal program?
[13:42] <kromar> hi
[13:42] <messiah> i can't set my ip static
[13:42] <messiah> i have tryed many things
[13:44] <kromar> i did a clean install of 9.10 and everything worked perfect the first time, but now when i reboot the other partitions dont get mounted/recognized. how do i make them mount at boot?
[13:45] <messiah> kromar you mean ntfs partitions?
[13:45] <kromar> yes
[13:45] <messiah> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[13:45] <messiah> and then, ntfs-config
[13:47] <kromar> ahh that looks good, thanks a lot:D
[13:47] <messiah> np
[14:43] <subspider> sorry messiah
[14:44] <subspider> i wasn't here
[14:44] <subspider> hey feewillie
[14:44] <subspider> are you there
[14:44] <subspider> no
[15:39] <Xubuntus> Hi. I've got a serious problem with sound. Ever since I installed Xubuntu 9.10 I haven't been able to get any sound.
[15:41] <Xubuntus> I tried the LiveCD for Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Gentoo (LiveDVD). With both the Ubuntu and the Gentoo disc I've got sound.
[15:41] <Xubuntus> Out of the box.
[15:42] <Xubuntus> Is there anyone that can help me?
[15:46] <Freewillie> Hi
[15:53] <Xubuntus> Hi.
[15:56] <Freewillie> How do you do?
[16:08] <Xubuntus> Having a cold, otherwise well. You?
[16:14] <Freewillie> I am ok to
[16:15] <Freewillie> Sorry for the late response
[16:15] <Xubuntus> Same here.
[16:15] <Xubuntus> Checking every now and then. Hoping for a reply to my issue.
[16:16] <Freewillie> What's your isue??
[16:19] <Xubuntus> Freewillie, check http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/11/09/%23xubuntu.html
[16:20] <Freewillie> ok
[16:20] <Freewillie> What sound chip do you have?
[16:23] <Xubuntus> Realtek ALC883
[16:24] <Freewillie> ok qand it is on the supported hardware list?
[16:24] <Xubuntus> (I've also got another soundcard installed, "SBLive!...", but I'm not going to use it on Xubuntu.)
[16:24] <Xubuntus> Where is that list?
[16:24] <Xubuntus> Xubuntus homepage?
[16:24] <Xubuntus> Hehe... Xubuntu's homepage?    :)
[16:25] <Freewillie> i think so
[16:35] <Freewillie> maar ik denk dat ie er niet in staat
[16:35] <Freewillie> sorry,
[16:35] <Freewillie> I don't think he is in the list butt i know where you can get the driver
[16:35] <Freewillie> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[16:35] <Freewillie> Download the linux driver:p
[16:36] <Freewillie> You have to compile the driver to use it
[16:39] <Freewillie> I hope it will solve your ptoblem
[16:39] <Freewillie> I think faster as I can type:)
[16:41] <Freewillie> I've got A problem myself now
[16:41] <Freewillie> I've a usb thumbdrive witch is formatted in ntfs
[16:41] <Freewillie> But if i want to write to it in xubuntu I am not allowed
[16:41] <Freewillie> Even root is not allowed
[16:42] <Freewillie> Does someone have any idea how to solve this?
[16:42] <Freewillie> subspider: do you have any idea?
[16:50] <Freewillie> Could someone help me?
[17:01] <likemindead> !ntfs
[17:09] <Freewillie> Yes ntfs
[17:09] <Freewillie> I am not using linux only
[17:09] <likemindead> Follow those links, Freewillie.
[17:10] <Freewillie> I want compatebility
[17:10] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[17:11] <likemindead> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NTFS+Ubuntu
[17:12] <Freewillie> But why does xubuntu mount other ntfs partitions well?
[17:12] <fatih> hi, i am on xubuntu 9.10. i cant use 4 desktops. i can see only 2 desktops on panel and i cant handle it. any suggestion? thanks
[17:13] <likemindead> Add panles under Settings, fatih.
[17:13] <likemindead> "Workspaces" I think it is.
[17:13] <likemindead> Very easy.
[17:13] <fatih> likemindead: thanks i m trying.
[17:14] <fatih> likemindead: thank you very much. i am a bit newbie.
[17:14] <fatih> it worked.
[17:14] <likemindead> Glad to help.
[17:14] <likemindead> If you want the fancy cube, etc. you have to install & tweak Compiz.
[17:14] <likemindead> !compiz
[17:15] <fatih> thanks. i asked it for compiz desktop cube effect. i like it very much.
[17:19] <Freewillie> likemindead: There is one problem its never mentioned in fstab
[17:31] <Xubuntus> I have looked at the driver Freewillie pointed me to. It seems like a good idea if nothing else works, BUT. I wonder, WHY does sound work perfect on Ubuntu 9.10 and not on Xubuntu 9.10?
[17:32] <Freewillie> Difrence in driver model?
[17:32] <Xubuntus> I even checked which driver Ubuntu used, and it's not the one Xubuntu tries with. Can it be that Xubuntu is made for people not needing sound?
[17:32] <Freewillie> I know it works that way i had it myself
[17:32] <Freewillie> NOO
[17:33] <Freewillie> normaly xubuntu just recognizes the sound chip
[17:33] <Tesssa> sound here works perfectly in xubuntu
[17:33] <Xubuntus> Isn't the two distro's actually the same, just a different windows manager and some other programs?
[17:33] <Xubuntus> Do the come with DIFFERENT drivers?!
[17:34] <Freewillie> I surely don't know but i am awae of the sound problems
[17:34] <Freewillie> I had it with a pentium 4 motherboar
[17:35] <Xubuntus> Does Xubuntu handle audio differently then Ubuntu? (Refering to what you wrote, Freewillie, about recognizing the sound chip.
[17:35] <Freewillie> I ve solved it but it wasn't easy
[17:35] <Xubuntus> =
[17:35] <Xubuntus> )
[17:35] <Freewillie> I think, but i am not sure
[17:35] <Freewillie> I hate sound myself, it doesn 'tmather wich os.
[17:36] <Xubuntus> I've heard/read that you can convert your Ubuntu to Xubuntu, and vice verse. In that case the audio shouldn't change.
[17:36] <Xubuntus> Oh? Sound issues, you mean?
[17:36] <Freewillie> i dont know but it can because you install or uninstall more than just the window manager
[17:37] <Freewillie> Why else uses ubunutu more diskspace then xubuntu
[17:37] <Xubuntus> I would like to know how it works a little better. I mean, to be able to identify what is different and change exactly that.
[17:37] <Xubuntus> Well, a lot of different programs. But DRIVERS?!
[17:37] <Freewillie> I would like to know it to but i am afraid i cannot help you because i dont know it myself
[17:37] <Xubuntus> Ok
[17:38] <Xubuntus> So, how do I compile the driver in Xubuntu? And then install it?
[17:38] <Xubuntus> Oh, first!!!
[17:38] <Freewillie> have you download it already?
[17:39] <Xubuntus> Can I search for the driver/card that I saw UbuntuLiveCD, in Xubuntu somehow?
[17:40] <Freewillie> I don't know, but why would you like to use xubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[17:40] <Xubuntus> F.ex. I saw, using UbuntuLiveCD, the card "VT1708 [Azalia HDAC] (High Definition)...".
[17:40] <Xubuntus> Because it is faster?
[17:41] <Xubuntus> As far as people here told me.
[17:41] <Xubuntus> And you?
[17:41] <Xubuntus> :)
[17:41] <Freewillie> I like to use xubuntu because of xfce and the speed and the easy way to mod it's login screen and themes
[17:42] <Freewillie> But ubuntu does just fine for me too
[17:42] <subspider> hi
[17:42] <subspider> freewillie??
[17:43] <Freewillie> yes
[17:43] <Freewillie> its me
[17:43] <subspider> can you tell what you did to change your login screen
[17:44] <subspider> i can't change mine lol
[17:44] <Freewillie> check at first if gdm is installed
[17:45] <subspider> nao it is
[17:45] <subspider> then the folder with the new them where did you put it
[17:45] <subspider> ??
[17:45] <Freewillie> ok then you have to download a loginscreen fromthe internet
[17:45] <subspider> i download same as yours
[17:45] <Freewillie> in the themes folder in its own subfolder
[17:47] <Freewillie> the folder is: /usr/share/gdm/themes
[17:48] <Freewillie> in the folder of the login screen is an xml file where you can edit the screen
[17:49] <Xubuntus> Freewillie, No, I haven't downloaded it yet. I have to boot into Xubuntu first. But, will there be any "lost stuff" on the way?
[17:50] <Xubuntus> Like the current drivers staying on in the background and so forth?
[17:50] <Freewillie> what do you mean with: lost stuff?
[17:50] <Freewillie> oh ok
[17:50] <Xubuntus> Btw. Anyone with a system monitor-problem, showing one of the (dual) processorns at 100% all the time and the other normal?
[17:51] <Freewillie> I don't know
[17:51] <subspider> so where did you define your default theme??
[17:51] <Xubuntus> Okay.
[17:51] <Freewillie> it was already there
[17:54] <subspider> ok freewillie i have two folders
[17:55] <subspider> autostart and themes
[17:55] <Freewillie> And in the menu Applications > settings  splashscreen
[17:55] <subspider> you tell me to move the fod with my theme into the theme folder right??
[17:56] <Freewillie> you can set the one witch should be used
[17:56] <Freewillie> yes
[17:58] <Freewillie> And?
[17:58] <Freewillie> Does it work?
[17:58] <subspider> i don't find tha place you say
[17:58] <Freewillie> the folder? ore teh menu?
[17:59] <subspider> applications settings and then no splashscreen
[17:59] <subspider> i have one called session
[17:59] <Freewillie> its the secondmenu item
[17:59] <Freewillie> Ive the dutch one
[17:59] <Freewillie> so i dont know the exact english words
[18:00] <subspider> what is native lagauge of yours??
[18:00] <Freewillie> Dutch
[18:01] <Freewillie> yours?
[18:01] <subspider> portuguese
[18:01] <subspider> hm
[18:01] <Freewillie> ah
[18:03] <Freewillie> I will swich my language into english
[18:03] <Freewillie> wait a moment
[18:03] <subspider> ok
[18:03] <subspider> thats good
[18:06] <Freewillie> itw ould take to much time, but i think session is te good one
[18:07] <Freewillie> and then you have to select xubuntu-noir
[18:08] <subspider> sorry i can't find
[18:09] <Freewillie> hmmm
[18:10] <Freewillie> you can edit a file to but i dont know wich one
[18:11] <Freewillie> http://softsolder.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/changing-the-xubuntu-8-10-gdm-login-splash-screen/
[18:14] <subspider> no
[18:14] <Freewillie> I have to go now, I hope i helped you enough
[18:14] <Freewillie> what no?
[18:14] <subspider> hm ok thanks anyway
[18:14] <subspider> the tuto you gave me it's says things i don't have
[18:14] <Freewillie> Such as?
[18:15] <subspider> like xubuntu theme folder in themes
[18:15] <Freewillie> strange
[18:15] <Freewillie> Then I dont know how to solve it
[18:15] <Freewillie> I need to go now
[18:15] <Freewillie> So bye
[18:16] <subspider> bye
[18:16] <subspider> and thnk you man
[18:54] <Person[a]> any clue about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/475920?
[18:55] <Person[a]> any clue about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/475920  ? (*typpo)
[19:18] <jhb1608> Why not Xubuntu detect the CD?
[19:19] <jhb1608> I did is put a CD and it won't work, but it works fine in other version of Ubuntu. Why?
[19:20] <jhb1608> anyone?
[19:23] <jhb1608> hmmm...
[19:24] <jhb1608> anyone?
[19:31] <jhb1608> I did is put a CD and it won't work, but it works fine in other version of Ubuntu. Why?
[19:33] <jhb1608> how do I mount a CD?
[20:18] <howhard> hey how do I connect to a shared folder on windows via my xubuntu???
[20:21] <TheSheep> !samba
[20:36] <Xubuntus> Hi, people.
[20:36] <Xubuntus> Anyone care to help with managing some drivers?
[20:37] <Xubuntus> :)
[20:38] <likemindead> !ask | Xubuntus
[20:40] <Xubuntus> Well, that kind of is the question. How do I manage drivers in Xubuntu? Right now, I'm interesting in sound-drivers.
[20:46] <Xubuntus> Where are the drivers located? Is it as easy as just checking Synaptic?
[20:51] <likemindead> Yes, Xubuntus, you can check Synaptic for the drivers installed/available.
[20:51] <likemindead> You can also track down drivers and compile from source if necessary.
[20:57] <Xubuntus> Is there any other general list for the drivers?
[21:06] <wrgb> Xubuntus: check in Applications > System > Hardware Drivers for any third party drivers being used or available for your machine
[21:09] <wrgb> Xubuntus: you can also click on the volume control and check the sound card drop down to see what sound card your system detected
[21:12] <Xubuntus> Yeah, I got three in the list, but two in reality. And out of those in the list only one is a existing one, but not the one I want to use.
[21:13] <Xubuntus> I just downloaded some drivers from Realtek. I hope it's okay to follow the instructions in the Readme.txt for Xubuntu. (The instructions seems to be for Ubuntu, but no version is mentioned.)
[21:15] <wrgb> Xubuntus: installing them should be the same for Xubuntu, after you install them, select the sound card from the dropdown list and configure the controls
[21:21] <Xubuntus> Do I need to uninstall anything first?
[21:24] <wrgb> Xubuntus: You may need to uninstall the existing driver, but I'm not sure how to do that, sorry
[21:25] <wrgb> Xubuntus: but since it's not recongnising the one you want to use, there shouldn't be any problem
[21:26] <Xubuntus> The instructions now say: "Turn on sound support from kernel config". Can I suppose this is already done?
[21:27] <Xubuntus> Also:   "(soundcore module, default turn on)".
[21:30] <wrgb> Xubuntus: restart your pc and check the dropdown in the mixer for the sound card you just installed
[21:37] <Xubuntus> The step above is step TWO of many. Hence, I have not yet finished installing.
[21:38] <Xubuntus> I did however run into another problem further on.
[21:39] <Xubuntus> It asks me to run "alsaconf", which doesn't work.
[21:40] <wrgb> Xubuntus: try sudo alsaconf
[21:41] <Xubuntus> did
[21:42] <Xubuntus> Same result.
[21:42] <Xubuntus> "command not found"
[21:44] <Xubuntus> Any ideas?
[21:52] <wrgb> Xubuntus: sorry, had to step out for a moment - I'm that's about all I know about sound in (X)ubuntu - I've never had a sound card problem, really they just came up and worked
[21:53] <wrgb> Xubuntus: try asking the question on the channel again and maybe there's someone with  more experience
[21:54] <wrgb> Xubuntus: be specific about the Realtek model number of the card you're using
[21:59] <Xubuntus> While installing the realtek-drivers, for the onboard sound card Realtek ALC883 (VT1708), I can't get alsaconf to run; "command not found". Help me, someone!
[22:12] <Xubuntus> Rebooting... We'll see if this ends up working. :)
[22:15] <wrgb> Xubuntus: If it doesn't, you might also try the Xubuntu users mailing list at : https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[22:16] <probando> Hello
[22:17] <probando> Silly question: how can I darg and drop or copy any launcher from the applications menu to the desktop, same as I can do on gnome/kde?
[22:17] <probando> *drag
[22:21] <probando> hello?
[22:26] <crash2k> whats the default xubuntu theme called?
[22:28] <likemindead> In 9.10?
[22:28] <crash2k> yes
[22:28] <likemindead> It's Albatross, I believe.
[22:29] <crash2k> thank you :)
[22:34] <crash2k> whats the name of the default border? lol
[22:34] <Xubuntus> I'm starting to dislike this distribution very much. Got sound but extreeeemly low.
[22:35] <Xubuntus> Why can't things work?! It's the year 2009. These problems shouldn't be here...
[22:36] <likemindead> Complaining should help. :-\
[22:36] <likemindead> You want your money back?
[22:36] <crash2k> ummm whats the default  metacity theme in xubuntu 9.10?
[22:36] <Xubuntus> Yeah, maybe.  No need for more then ONE way.
[22:39] <Xubuntus> likemindead, What? "Because I really _need_ "? I don't understand.
[22:40] <Xubuntus> Is ANYONE of you using snd-hda-intel?
[22:42] <Xubuntus> I downloaded the drivers from Realtek's site. Installed following their instructions. But not all was possible, strangly enough. :/  alsaconf doesn't exist and the instructions tell me to run it.
[22:42] <crash2k> ugh
[22:42] <Xubuntus> And why do I have THREE soundcards in the mixer, but in reality only two in my computer?
[22:43] <Xubuntus> ugh? Not a good idea to follow those instructions, huh?
[22:43] <Xubuntus> Or do you mean alsaconf?
[22:45] <Xubuntus> Can I somehow copy the audio-configuration AND drivers from a running UbuntuLiveCD to my installed Xubuntu?
[22:46] <schizoTK> Hello xubuntu gurus!
[22:46] <schizoTK> Many thanks for this fine OS
[22:47] <Xubuntus> Isn't it strange that BOTH the ALSA and the OSS volume control is synchronized and work at the same time?! I mute one, the other mutes - and vice versa.
[22:48] <Xubuntus> schizoTK, fine? You've got sound working then?
[22:48] <Xubuntus> :)
[22:48] <schizoTK> Having an issue installing another separate full xubuntu alongside winXP/winNT/xubuntu
[22:49] <schizoTK> Oh Yeah! Sound! Streaming! 3G! Oh Yeah!
[22:49] <schizoTK> Using 9.04
[22:49] <schizoTK> tried the upgrade, but had problems
[22:50] <schizoTK> I'm on an Acer Aspire One ZG5
[22:50] <schizoTK> 1GB RAM 160GBhdd
[22:51] <Xubuntus> Ok.
[22:51] <Xubuntus> What sound card have you got in the mixer?
[22:51] <schizoTK> Qualcomm 9121 3g modem is not working, but cell phone tethering works
[22:52] <hoeq> Anyone who knows how to make terminals _really_ transparent in xubuntu?
[22:52] <schizoTK> mixer shows both HDA Intel ALSA
[22:52] <hoeq> Now I can see my wallpaper through them, but not the windows behind.
[22:53] <schizoTK> and Realtek ALC268 (OSS Mixer)
[22:54] <schizoTK> In terminal select menu option Edit then scroll to preferences
[22:55] <schizoTK> Been trying to install a 2nd xubuntu alonside everything else for testing purposes
[22:55] <hoeq> schizoTK: that's not what I meant, the terminal is transparent (via the setting you mentioned) but not entirely.
[22:55] <hoeq> I can see the desktop behind it, but if I put another window behind a terminal, that will not be visible at all.
[22:55] <hoeq> Plus the wallpaper lags a bit while I move the terminal windows around.
[22:56] <schizoTK> Maybe too much for your video hardware?
[22:56] <hoeq> It worked fine before I reinstalled xubuntu.
[22:56] <Xubuntus> Which of the two cards is the one working for you?
[22:57] <schizoTK> Which version of xubuntu?
[22:57] <hoeq> schizoTK: 9.10
[22:57] <schizoTK> @ Xubuntus ... Both!
[22:57] <schizoTK> I had problems when I upgraded to 9.10
[22:58] <schizoTK> Had to re-install 9.04 to get everything working again
[22:58] <schizoTK> But it works GREAT!
[22:59] <hoeq> About the transparency thing, it works on my laptop, also xubuntu 9.10
[22:59] <hoeq> And I also had 9.10 on this computer prior to re-installation
[22:59] <schizoTK> So you have compositing enabled @ hoeq?
[23:00] <hoeq> Sry, you lost me there : >
[23:00] <hoeq> Where can I find it?
[23:00] <schizoTK> Window Manager Tweaks under the Applications menu
[23:01] <Xubuntus> I don't get it. I installed the Realtek Alsa drivers and all of a sudden one completely wrong card turned into a OSS card! What's happening?!
[23:01] <Xubuntus> Btw. Is this the official IRC-channel for Xubuntu?
[23:01] <schizoTK> I don't know @ Xubuntus
[23:02] <schizoTK> Maybe all the uberxunterkind are busy?
[23:02] <hoeq> schizoTK: that doesn't change anything, other than the custom settings under the "Compositor" tab.
[23:02] <hoeq> Like making the window decorations transparent, for example.
[23:03] <hoeq> Or wait, when I enabled compositing, I can't make the terminals transparent at all anymore. :S
[23:03] <Xubuntus> Okay. Now this is even MORE weird. The ONLY channel (in the mixer and in reality) that plays sound is the CENTER speaker!
[23:03] <hoeq> Now they're solid black.
[23:03] <schizoTK> Somewhere in there are settings for popup transparencies etc
[23:03] <Xubuntus> I give up. This is TERRIBLE.
[23:04] <hoeq> But then there's also the terminal-specific settings, which is what I am trying to get to work.
[23:04] <schizoTK> Once compositing has been enabled, try opening terminal
[23:04] <hoeq> hmm, wait, I'll try closing my terminals, brb
[23:04] <schizoTK> Then go to the Edit menu in Terminal
[23:04] <schizoTK> Then scroll down to Preferences
[23:05] <schizoTK> Then select Appearances
[23:05] <hoeq> It works fine now, thanks a lot!
[23:05] <schizoTK> Then select Background
[23:06] <schizoTK> No prob!
[23:06] <hoeq> I just had to enable compositing and close all "old" terminal windows.
[23:06] <hoeq> And then make them transparent again.
[23:06] <schizoTK> =)
[23:07] <schizoTK> So... Anyone familiar with multi-boot systems?
[23:07] <Xubuntus> Jepp.
[23:08] <schizoTK> I'm having an issue installing a 2nd xubuntu alongside everything else
[23:08] <Xubuntus> Have you got two parallel systems already?
[23:08] <schizoTK> Yes, 3
[23:09] <Xubuntus> Yeah, I read a little of it. But I'm to consumed of the sound issue. Although, I'll try to help you a little on the way. :)
[23:09] <schizoTK> WinXP/WinNT(recovery)/xubuntu (9.04)
[23:09] <Xubuntus> Ok.
[23:09] <hoeq> I had to do the partitioning manually, if that's what you meant, schizoTK.
[23:09] <Xubuntus> Harddrives?
[23:09] <schizoTK> 160GB hdd
[23:09] <Xubuntus> One?
[23:09] <hoeq> Couldn't get it the way I wanted otherwize.
[23:09] <schizoTK> yes
[23:09] <Xubuntus> Partitions?
[23:09] <Xubuntus> From 0 to x.
[23:10] <schizoTK> already running WinXP/WinNT(recovery)/xubuntu (9.04)
[23:10] <schizoTK> /dev/sda0
[23:11] <schizoTK> what's the terminal command? fd
[23:11] <schizoTK> I had more linux distros installed at on time
[23:12] <schizoTK> but pared things down once I got xubuntu installed
[23:12] <schizoTK> Now I can't install another xubuntu for testing
[23:15] <schizoTK> I'm currently running off a live USB
[23:15] <schizoTK> I'll come back after a reboot
[23:15] <schizoTK> Thanks for your time.
[23:19] <Xubuntus> Okay. FINALLY got the "stupid" sound to work. Windows2008 or rather the driver from MSI for the audio detects which plug is in which port automatically. But not the linux drivers, so my front speakers are SIDE channel in the mixer. Aaaawesome...
[23:19] <Xubuntus> :D
[23:20] <schizoTK> Hello xubuntu gurus!
[23:20] <Xubuntus> Any idea why the flashplayer doesn't react on youtube? It playes, but doesn't go HD, pause or anything else.
[23:20] <Xubuntus> Hi, again!
[23:20] <Xubuntus> What was your problem?
[23:21] <schizoTK> I reverted to 9.04 & everything worked again
[23:21] <schizoTK> trying to setup another xubuntu alongside 3 other OS'
[23:22] <schizoTK> I tried the upgrade to 9.10 but had too many issues
[23:23] <schizoTK> Tried kuki linux, but had no net connectivity via 3g
[23:24] <schizoTK> found a magazine that had several *buntu flavors
[23:24] <schizoTK> on DVD
[23:24] <Xubuntus> But, did you try to install an upgrade by itself, somehow?
[23:24] <Xubuntus> Aha.
[23:24] <schizoTK> Copied the DVD onto a USB flash drive prepared with syslinux
[23:25] <schizoTK> copied the contents of isolinux to the / of the USB key
[23:25] <Xubuntus> And you know some about how to work with Grub and Grub2 then I suppose?
[23:25] <schizoTK> renamed isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg
[23:26] <Xubuntus> Oh, btw. Have you got mms:-links working?
[23:27] <Xubuntus> But whats the problem now?
[23:27] <schizoTK> I know how to edit grub.cfg
[23:27] <schizoTK> What's mms:-links
[23:28] <schizoTK> No not grub itd menu.lst
[23:28] <schizoTK> its
[23:28] <schizoTK> anyway, got xubuntu 9.04 installed
[23:29] <schizoTK> want to install another
[23:29] <schizoTK> for testing
[23:29] <schizoTK> need to compile qcserial.c into the old kernel
[23:30] <schizoTK> don't want to bork the current installation =)
[23:30] <schizoTK> Don't know if the newest kernel will work on my mini
[23:32] <schizoTK> tried the Upgrade Manager's suggestion to "Upgrade" to 9.10
[23:32] <schizoTK> then lost 3g connectivity in 9.10
[23:33] <schizoTK> so re-installed 9.04 from my USB key
[23:34] <schizoTK> now getting error msg when attempting to resize partitions during the install alongside option
[23:34] <schizoTK> currently have 4 partitions
[23:34] <schizoTK> That's the problem! Only can have 4!
[23:35] <schizoTK> So if I get rid of linux-swap I may be able to complete the mult-boot setup!
[23:35] <schizoTK> Thanks! =)
[23:35] <schizoTK> LMAO!
[23:36] <schizoTK> You've been a great help! Thanks!
[23:39] <Xubuntus> LMAO? What's that, any?
[23:40] <Xubuntus> Ah, okay. Got it, haha!!
[23:41] <Xubuntus> Good night people!


 If unsure about whether or not you should file a bug, it's probably best to file the bug & just add that you were unsure if it's a concern (and don't be worried if it gets filed as closed/invalid etc).
 File with ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader and follow the prompts, login etc.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs (re @Willem: Hi all.
 I am testing Ubuntu 22.04 and xubuntu 22.04.
 On my dual boot laptop I've upgraded both Ubuntu 21.10 and xubuntu 21.10 to 22.04.
 The upgrade "went wrong" in both distro's in the same way and on the same place in the upgrade process (the desktop disappears suddenly in the middle of the upgrade, a black screen appears with only a blinking cursor, can't switch to a different tty) I managed to finish the upgrade in both cases by doing "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and other commands.
 Both distro's are fully upgraded and working well now.
 Question: should I report the upgrade issue I ran into? If so where? And what logs should I be looking at to find out more about the problem?
 Thank you.)
 https://linuxunplugged.com/449 last weeks Ubuntu Bug hunt week mentioned
 Thank you.
 I'll get to it later today. (re @guiverc: If unsure about whether or not you should file a bug, it's probably best to file the bug & just add that you were unsure if it's a concern (and don't be worried if it gets filed as closed/invalid etc).
 File with ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader and follow the prompts, login etc.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs)


[00:45] <dougl> Mobildug, hello?
[00:47] <dougl> Mobildug, hello?
[00:47] <dougl> Mobildug, hello?
[00:50] <bprompt> allo
[00:55] <valorie> dougl: do you have a question for the channel?
[00:55] <valorie> if you want to speak to only one person, you can PM
[00:58] <dougl> sorry no just realized I was in the wrong channel
[00:58] <valorie> :-)
[07:35] <alebaby> hi
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:00] <mika__> 3
[09:00] <mika__> 3
[11:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:06] <afterlight> Hellow everyone :D
[13:28] <afterlight> hellow there dose someone play starcraft 2 on kubuntu or kde and if he can halp me do the same.
[13:28] <afterlight> i have tryed with wine and play on linux but dosent seems to work..
[14:07] <spe_> hi
[14:09] <soee> hiho
[14:38] <gonyere> so I apparently installed KDE a few months ago briefly, while using a different root pw that I've since forgotten... and now I can't unlock my kdewallet. Is there any way around this? (currently running Ubuntu 14.04 w/ gnome-shell, unity and xfce4 also installed...)
[14:50] <gtrepas> hello
[14:56] <gtrepas> i was thinking of switching to mint 16 kde but i have no idea what to expect of that. any ideas?
[15:09] <kenneth__> I think with mint KDE you have to reinstall the hole OS for a distro upgrade
[15:10] <gtrepas> hmmmm really? what about opensuse. i think it is more stable even than kubuntu
[15:12] <kenneth__> Yeah open suse is really good you can set it a a rolling relese here is a link  http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
[15:17] <gtrepas> nah i will probabl stick with kubuntu. opensuse is for newer hardware
[15:18] <hateball> !ot
[15:21] <gtrepas> only hing hat bugs me is that when i click on a folder and that thing starts to jump up and down, if i move the mouse it leaves a trail
[15:21] <gtrepas> it is so annoying
[15:25] <RahulAN> kanchan: hiii
[15:27] <kanchan> hii
[15:43] <kenneth__> yaeh same ting some small bugs sometimes when I'm doing things like  moving windows around I have issues with grabing the window and moving it, mouse doesnt want to grab it sometimes, I seen were you an adjust the window grab size but that doesnt do much of anything
[15:49] <frediego> after ive set up kubuntu with lvm, can i fill the disc with random data or do i have to do this manually before the installation?
[15:51] <frediego> you know, with dd urandom or something
[16:22] <gtrepas> damn it
[16:22] <gtrepas> i am confused about distros lol
[16:27] <gtrepas> mnt mate looks nice but i dont like that it is not polished at all. looks like a childs distro
[16:36] <kenneth__> Yeah I tried allot, mint sucks becuse you have to reinstall it when a new version comes out every 9 months, kubuntu you can upgrade, suse is nice but hard to use, everything else is buggy, regular ubuntu I have the ad ware and the UI
[16:38] <kenneth__> theres lubuntu, and xubuntu
[16:45] <genii> It's always good to try many distributions and then settle into whichever one works best for your workflow, etc
[16:47] <rberg> its true, I figured who can screw up a dist-upgrade on a debian-ish distro, so I attempted a dist-upgrade on mint a few years ago and it failed when dpkg got removed :(
[16:49] <BluesKaj> rberg, how and why did dpkg get removed ?
[16:50] <genii> That would be painful. You'd have to wget the deb file and then manually extract it, untar the data.tar.gz and so on
[16:52] <rberg> not sure why, this was years ago attempting to dist-upgrade a mint install
[16:52] <rberg> I have also had gentoo remove sed, you can emerge sed with out sed :|
[16:59] <bogfrog> hello i am looking for a good place to find animated backgrounds for kubuntu
[17:02] <rberg> kde-look.org  is a resource for art and eye-candy type stuff
[17:03] <bogfrog> Thank You
[17:09] <kenneth__> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=33584
[17:11] <mparillo> gtrepas: Under System Settings > Application and System Notifications > Launch Feedack do you see bouncing cursor?
[17:18] <dabauer> how do I install kompozer???
[17:45] <JuJuBee> I am using 13.04 and wish to burn 13.10 to a USB stick.  I have used imageburn but it no longer exists.  What should I use?
[17:45] <soee> someone has lately problems with lightdm on 14.04 ?
[17:52] <jjinco33> JuJuBee: unetbootin is what I used
[18:02] <JuJuBee> I always seem to have trouble with that
[18:29] <yazeed> well guys,
[18:29] <yazeed> I know this is a bit off topic, but I have to ask you all to help me in my school project
[18:29] <yazeed> I find these chat rooms awesome to spread any word.
[18:29] <yazeed> so I would like you to take some time (I promise no longer than 1 minute) and answer my questionnaire
[18:29] <yazeed> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1llaZ7AM9SkvX9_A-8eNCUvnxBM7y3fNa7pKMxP4iZuw/viewform
[18:29] <FloodBotK1> yazeed: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:48] <starcraftman> hi, recently upgraded to kubuntu 13.10 on my notebook. When resuming from sleep, sometimes my touchpad stops working properly. I can scroll up/down a page but not click or move the cursor. Aynone else had such troubles?
[19:07] <genii> starcraftman: Is it a AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad?
[19:08] <starcraftman> genii: hi, how do I check? Not really an expert of debugging touchpads.
[19:09] <genii> starcraftman: If you can open Konsole, the command: xinput       ...should tell you
[19:10] <starcraftman> genii: it says SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[19:10] <starcraftman> among other stuff
[19:12] <genii> starcraftman: I think it might be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/588973
[19:13] <starcraftman> genii: damn, that's a really annoying bug :/
[19:15] <genii> starcraftman: They have some workarounds for it listed there on the bug page, might be one of them works for your situation
[19:16] <starcraftman> genii: I'm looking through, I'll try to find something I can get to work automatically. Thanks for the excellent help :).
[19:17] <genii> starcraftman: You're welcome :)
[23:09] <KubuntuUpgradeQu> Hello, I have a question about upgrading from LTS to a new version


[00:30] <EleanorEllis> How do I install fonts in Ubuntu Studio 14.04?
[00:36] <holstein> EleanorEllis: same as in xfce, xubuntu, or main ubuntu really what are you looking for?
[00:37] <holstein> EleanorEllis: you can see "manually installing fonts" here, which looks like how i would do it and have done it http://sourcedigit.com/9735-install-fonts-linux-ubuntu-14-04/
[00:42] <EleanorEllis> holstein: On a hunch I looked in Synaptic and discovered that Font-manager is actually installed. It just doesn't seem to show in the menu. But it can be called from the command line
[00:49] <EleanorEllis> holstein: I just found that font manager is also in the publishing menu#
[00:50] <holstein> or, you can do it manually.. or,just add fonts in your users /home..
[04:25] <cyborg_> i need help wit usb midi drivers can someone help?
[04:25] <holstein> cyborg_: no.. you need help with linux suppot on that specific hardware. its not a midi device that you are trying to use in linux
[04:26] <holstein> support*
[04:26] <holstein> cyborg_: you have an entire PC.. that you are trying to run linux on.. have you contacted the mailing list? or a larger channel?
[04:27] <cyborg_> i have and no response.
[04:28] <holstein> cyborg_: you'l have to wait.. when i go to bed here in a minute, and back to work, this channel can be quite dead
[04:28] <cyborg_> i am not having an issue with the device and not the computer just with the way in which linux addresses the device
[04:28] <holstein> cyborg_: i would go to the general ubuntu mailing list..
[04:29] <holstein> cyborg_: linux is not given support to address the machine
[04:29] <cyborg_> please stop thinking it is a proprietory machine it is just a computer with linux installed
[04:30] <cyborg_> fresh install at that
[04:30] <holstein> cyborg_: oh.. im not thinking that, at all.. it *is* a proprietary machine that has not promise of linux support
[04:31] <holstein> cyborg_: thats why its not working "out of the box". the maufacturers have not supplied the linux kernel developers with data to add in so that it would just get supported out of the box.. they are likely not interested in supporting linux like that
[04:31] <holstein> cyborg_: i would join the main ubuntu development list and try and find someone who maybe works with embedded systems
[04:33] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel for example
[04:33] <holstein> this channel is about ubuntustuduio support, and quite slow... its not really about larger hardware support like that
[04:34] <holstein> cyborg_: do try and be clear, though.. you are stating the question as if you have a midi use device that is not working in ubuntustudio, which is far from the case
[04:34] <holstein> midi USB
[04:40] <cyborg_> no that is pretty much exactly the case.  but the approach should be find a way to load a driver for the device and then develope one from there
[04:41] <holstein> cyborg_: its not, friend.. you do *not* have a usb device sitting there, and plugging it into a machine running ubuntu
[04:41] <holstein> cyborg_: you have an entire os with integrated devices that are not working.. that you want to provide support for
[04:42] <holstein> cyborg_: its not to "Find a way to load a driver", you have to go way further down than that.. the manufacturer doesnt give you a driver, so you can just load it. you have to identify what that hardware can be used as, and get help on that level
[06:31] <cyborg_> okay can someone help me with assigning a driver to a usb device that is intended to be a midi controller but may be looked at as a HID device in ubuntu
[08:38] <kostex> hello experts!  I've searched the net.. nothing useful.. so: I want to get rid of the xcfe session save feature.. What I did now is added 'rm /home/xxx/.cache/sessions/*' to rc.local   This is a 'brute force' method.. Is there a better way? Or just leave it like this?
[09:33] <coelebs> iirc there was a box to uncheck
[09:33] <coelebs> but i'm not on my ubuntu box right now
[09:33] <coelebs> or was it per program...
[13:07]  * krokus is away (Linux is culture.)
[13:33] <cyborg_> can someone help me with assigning a driver to a usb device that is intended to be a midi controller but may be looked at as a HID device in ubuntu
[15:28] <holstein> cyborg_: i suggest mentioning that its a standalone PC.. and i would go to the ubuntu devel mailing list..
[15:49] <zequence> cyborg_: There's no reason why it can't be both, I think, but if there aren't drivers for it, someone will need to write some.
[15:52] <zequence> cyborg_: ..or package some firmware
[15:53] <holstein> ideally, the manufacturer, of the device.. if you dont mind saying, zequence
[15:53] <zequence> http://alsa.opensrc.org/USBMidiDevices
[15:53] <holstein> zequence: i seem to have a challenging communicating what i mean by that
[15:53] <holstein> challenge*
[15:53] <zequence> Well, we don't write drivers anyhow :P
[15:53] <zequence> Not me, anyway
[15:54] <holstein> zequence: im just having an issue communicating with cyborg_ about this..
[15:55] <holstein> cyborg_ has stated that linux is running on the device, and windows works, so linux should work.. but, the drivers are not there, as you are saying..
[15:55] <zequence> Well, depends of course if he installed any drivers on Windows
[15:56] <zequence> ..which happens automatically nowadays for some devices, I think
[16:42] <cyborg_> it is just a computer.
[16:43] <cyborg_> pads faders and other inputs are Midi controllers
[16:43] <zequence> I don't get it. Is the PC the midi controller, or you want a midi controller to work with a PC?
[16:43] <holstein> its a PC
[16:43] <zequence> What is?
[16:43] <holstein> the controls are integrated
[16:43] <holstein> the dbeat from openlabs.. the device in question
[16:48] <zequence> Ah, it came with a specially configured Windows OS
[16:49] <holstein> afaik, it ships with windows.. i asked cyborg_ if it came with windows to see if the hardware was functioning properly.. cyborg_ stated he had seen, first hand, the device running properly in windows before his friend gave it to him.. or sold
[16:49] <zequence> cyborg_: If the buttons on that thing are functional as HID devices, then you can use something to translate that into MIDI, like puredata
[17:03] <cyborg_> zequence, thanks that is closer to what i am looking for
[17:05] <cyborg_> the pressure sensitive pads are the ones that i really want to work and the faders.  would be nice to get everything talking to and from apps
[17:06] <holstein> cyborg_: so, fire up puredata and translate the midi data, or share with zequence what you have done that makes that not possible..
[17:21] <zequence> cyborg_: Might be a bit of trouble getting the hid library to work on puredata
[17:22] <zequence> I haven't dealt with it much. But, if you want to learn how to do it, first look up how to use puredata. Then, ask around on #dataflow, or on the pure data mail list on how to get hid to work
[17:23] <zequence> puredata, to clarify, is a programming language, but it's graphical and fairly easy to use, especially for midi
[17:24] <zequence> The package for puredata is "puredata", and hid is "pd-hid"
[17:24] <zequence> There's also pd-extended, in a PPA. At ppa:eighthave/pd-extended
[17:24] <zequence> ..which looks prettier and includes all the libs
[17:24] <zequence> If you are serious about that alternative, start here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgGol-I4gA
[19:50]  * krokus is away (Linux is culture.)


[00:50] <ryebot> Is there a way to customize hostnames when launching machines with juju? Or are we stuck with the juju-... hostnames?
[00:53] <bdx> ryebot ... I'm not sure ... I think its a provider thing ...
[00:54] <bdx> like ... have you ever tried to change your instances host name on aws?
[00:54] <ryebot> I have not
[00:54] <bdx> (I haven't either lol)
[00:54] <ryebot> :D
[00:54] <ryebot> alright, cool, I'll look in that direction; thanks bdx
[00:54] <bdx> np
[00:59] <lazyPower> you can change it post deployment without any reprocussions, but it does default to the juju- hostname schema.
[01:00] <lazyPower> if we ever start doing computed DNS that may change.
[01:00] <lazyPower> but that's a future ryebot problem, not a today ryebot problem.
[01:01] <ryebot> lazyPower: ah, excellent, I'll give it a shot, thanks
[01:03] <lazyPower> actually rye, i think that may not be 100% true. I'm pretty sure we run dnsmasq on lxd
[01:03] <lazyPower> that'll break hostname resolveability
[01:04] <lazyPower> which matters if you care about specifying hostnames as the remote
[01:04] <lazyPower> eg: in the context of k8s nodes you'll no longer be able to kubectl exec or kubectl logs
[07:50] <kklimonda> can juju 2 authenticate against Keystone V2 API?
[07:51] <erik_lonroth3> lazyPower: I've been looking at that example you sent me and its the one I started with - without success. Its perhaps me being stuck in some wrong mental view of how things work with states or something. But I can't so far get my head around how things work. The example http://interface-pgsql.readthedocs.io/en/stable/requires.html#example-usage for example doesn't mention anything about how to include this in the "metadata.yaml
[07:51] <erik_lonroth3> " or how the "admin-pass" variables are to be used etc. I guess its somehow implicit or perhaps I'm also not reading the right things? Also, I've been trying to read and look how others have made this things and still don't really get it to work with states. I feel that using "hooks" is straight foreward and by using hooks, I can likely get further, but I need to work alot more to get a better understanding of the reactive frame
[07:51] <erik_lonroth3> work.
[07:54] <erik_lonroth3> I feel a bit worried about this since I also think its very important for my friends at work to be able to "understand" this concept. Most of them are not used to hard-core programming and the steep learning curve here worries me alot. If it takes weeks and months to get practical about juju charming, its likely not going to take off at work either. Does anyone provide education on this matter today?
[07:54] <kklimonda> right now after setting endpoint: http://[ip]:5000/v2.0/ it's trying to access V3 path for tokens: http://[ip]:5000/v2.0/auth/tokens
[07:58] <erik_lonroth3> lazyPower: I will try to summarize my technical problem later. I will try some more today and see if I manage to get through. I'm likely also  just doing something wrong.
[08:08] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: I looked also at your example interface and I can "sort of" understand. However, the pattern of implementation used in that example is new to me and also I so far have not been touching with "interfaces" yet. Another hurdle I guess...
[08:30] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: Nice to hear you are moving forward with this
[08:31] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: If you have your code public somewhere I would be pleased to take a look and give hints on any problems you may have
[08:36] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: I just read what you wrote above, do not be afraid about the learning curve. Do not be scared with the docs. You are probably over the hard part (understanding hooks)
[08:36] <erik_lonroth3> Thanx!
[08:38] <kklimonda> can I disable lxcfs for containers spawned by Juju, or is this going to lead to even more sadness?
[08:38] <erik_lonroth3> I've come to the understanding that you normally mix  "hooks and states" only in "interfaces" or "layers" ?
[08:38] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: only in interfaces
[08:39] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: regarding the metadata.yaml entries, you will need to specify if you require or provide the interface you want to use and you will also need to add the 'interface:foo' in your layer.yaml
[08:40] <erik_lonroth3> OK, because I've looked at https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/trusty/python-django-19/archive/hooks/hooks.py to try to understand how "other charms" have used the postgresql charm and that "python-django" charm does mainly use hooks to use the postgre-sql. Then I've been looking at https://github.com/johnsca/juju-relation-mysql/ (an interface) which I don't yet understand.
[08:41] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: You are on a wrong path :)
[08:42] <erik_lonroth3> I probably am =D
[08:42] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: ok, lets fix this :)
[08:42] <kjackal> let me grab some example code
[08:43] <erik_lonroth3> My intention is to be able to create a simple charm using a postgre-sql database.
[08:43] <erik_lonroth3> and to "join"them with a relation.
[08:44] <erik_lonroth3> I can commit my test to github so you can se what I've been doing so far
[08:44] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: yes please do that
[08:48] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: and let me know where the repo is
[08:48] <erik_lonroth3> Setting it up as we speak
[08:49] <kjackal> thanks
[08:51] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: btw stub is the maintainer of postgresql so if we hit any wall we will call for his help :)
[08:51] <erik_lonroth3> https://github.com/erik78se/pgtest
[08:52] <erik_lonroth3> Mind that what I just commited is not working. Let me fix it and lett you know when you can pull
[08:53] <erik_lonroth3> There, you can pull now
[08:55] <erik_lonroth3> What I currently was failing on, was/is that my charm never see the state "db.connected'. https://github.com/erik78se/pgtest/blob/master/reactive/pgtest.py I believe thats because its not any "interface" acctually setting that state - so. I'm left with acting on "hooks" instead.
[08:57] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: gitve me 15 minutes
[08:58] <erik_lonroth3> No worries, I'm going to try to clone the mysql interface and see if I can replicate it to work the way it does for mysql
[09:03] <erik_lonroth3> Oh, I managed to get "db.connected" to execute once I implemented the interface:pgqsl by simply cloning the mysql and replacing all Mysql stuff with postgresql. However, I'm sure I'm doing this very akwardish
[09:09] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: nope, please give me 5 minutes :)
[09:13] <erik_lonroth3> Oh, and after breaking through that wall . I found this : https://git.launchpad.net/interface-pgsql
[09:14] <erik_lonroth3> ... so now I'm rebuilding the charm to test again.
[09:14] <erik_lonroth3> (after having cloned this repo)
[09:19] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: Have a look here: https://github.com/ktsakalozos/pgtest/blob/master/reactive/pgtest.py
[09:20] <kjackal> first of all NEVER mix reactive and hooks
[09:20] <kjackal> remove all the @hook from your reactive part
[09:21] <erik_lonroth3> Cool. I understand the code.
[09:21] <erik_lonroth3> But so far, I nver got the part "db.connected" to execute.
[09:21] <kjackal> doing a deployment right now to see if it works
[09:22] <erik_lonroth3> Great! I believe my problem is that I need the "interface" code added also to my charm.
[09:22] <stub> erik_lonroth3: The example with hookenv.config()['admin-pass'] is exactly that - an example. That one is just a handler that is retrieving a password from somewhere and setting a reactive state.
[09:23] <stub> erik_lonroth3: You have no handler setting the admin-pass state, but you are using it to guard the pgtest.connected handler and it never gets run
[09:24] <stub> oh, its guarding the handler with pgtest.available. So that would be a different issue to the pgtest.connected guarted handler being called.
[09:25] <erik_lonroth3> Its OK. I don't care about that admin-pass thing.
[09:26] <erik_lonroth3> I could have removed that part, but I stilll wont see the "db.connect" code beng run.
[09:26] <stub> Do you have a relation named 'db' with interface 'pgsql' defined in your metadata.yaml ?
[09:27] <erik_lonroth3> I think this is that part where my knowledge breaks
[09:27] <stub> requires:
[09:27] <stub>   db:
[09:27] <stub>     interface: pgsql
[09:27] <erik_lonroth3> Yes I do.
[09:28] <stub> And it is called db ? Because that name needs to match the state name 'db.connected'
[09:28] <erik_lonroth3> This is the part where I'm really confused in how these names repate to interfaces or just some user-defined name/strings ?
[09:29] <erik_lonroth3> Because in the documentation, I've read that these "states" are really only just that - some user-defined names.
[09:30] <erik_lonroth3> So, how would I know that @when("<db>.<xxx>.<yyy>" ) is supposed to be related to a interface, rather than to just some random dead-code or acctually something that is being enforced by the framework ?
[09:30] <kjackal> stub: can you tell me if I am using the interface correctly here: https://github.com/ktsakalozos/pgtest/blob/master/reactive/pgtest.py#L29
[09:31] <kjackal> stub: i get "Got connection string None"
[09:32] <stub> In the example above, the relation name is 'db' and you get to choose that. The interface is 'pgsql', which declares the type of relation and needs to match the interface in the charm you are connecting to. It is also used by charms.reactive to discover and install an implementation of that protocol so you have less work to do.
[09:33] <stub> charms.reactive uses the name to set states for that particular relation. So when you join the 'db' relation, the 'db.foo' states get set and it isn't confused with any other relations you have declared.
[09:33] <stub> kjackal: .connected is when the relation is connected. You won't have a connection string until .available
[09:34] <kjackal> thanks stub
[09:35] <erik_lonroth3> In the example it states that "db.master.available" is when I acctually seem to be able to access configuration items...
[09:39] <stub> Its confusing because we are crossing three bounaries here. Relations are a juju thing, and is documented there. Then we go through charms.reactive, which defines how the relation states work. Then the interface, which defines what the relation states are, when they get set and how it can be used.
[09:39] <stub> But I think there are some all-in docs now in the main Juju docs? Probably nothing PostgreSQL specific though.
[09:43] <erik_lonroth3> stub: I agree and can recognize the situation as we are interscting alot of areas within juju. This is also part of my worries, since this kind of maneuver is very common for "sysadmins" who likely are target for juju-related things. I'm struggeling with all of this and I can immagine that others are too. Its very easy to "give up".
[09:45] <erik_lonroth3> Building "services/applications" with juju should ideally be easy (given the powerful framework). But the number of hurdles, complexities are dauting. Also consider that sysadmins normally are not hardcore programmers. These "concepts" with interfaces, relations etc. are really not trivial things to grasp.
[09:47] <erik_lonroth3> Having a few "tutorials" that takes one though some common tasks within juju would be great and in the case of connecting an application to a (mysql,postgresql,oracle,mongodb,...)-database should be really well covered... if you ask me.database
[09:48] <erik_lonroth3> Also - thank you alot for helping me out so far... I wouldn't have made it so far without you help...
[09:49] <erik_lonroth3> ... if I only could get this pgtest to work today. I've been fighting with it for a few days not.
[09:49] <erik_lonroth3> now*
[09:49] <stub> There have been things like that in the past, but they tend to get lost in the sea of blog posts rather than into the official docs
[09:50] <stub> (I could have sworn there was at least one example in the main docs, but not having success finding it)
[09:51] <erik_lonroth3> stub: I understand. I do think the documentation site would be good to place a few "best practices" or "common tasks" tutorials.
[09:55] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: here is the PR with how to get pgtest running: https://github.com/erik78se/pgtest/pull/1
[09:55] <erik_lonroth3> For example. I'm about to try package a system we have built in my startup. We have some code-base which involves setting up database, connecting our software to it and get going with juju. However, its taken me almost 3 weeks now to get to where I am. I do think this is the right path for us, worth the time, but I'm sure there are alot of other companies/persons that do not come to the same conclusion. Getting to apoint when yo
[09:55] <erik_lonroth3> u can deploy your system on juju really have to be alot easier.
[09:55] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: Thanx! I'll merge
[09:57] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: indeed the juju has its complexities. The abstractions imposed are there to make sure the approach you are taking in setting up your cluster can scale
[09:57] <magicaltrout> just from the peanut gallery, for us part timers getting the hooks reacting correctly in a new charm can be an absolute ballache, of that there is no doubt.  Clearly with relations and states its a lot harder, but I do dream of that day in Juju land
[09:58] <magicaltrout> on the flip side, compared to non reactive charms, this shit is a breeze
[09:59] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: I will test and I saw the changes you did and understand them.
[10:00] <erik_lonroth3> Would it make sense to add url:s that points to where the interfaces are kept that makes the charm work ?
[10:00] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: so honestly some toy examples indeed seem overengineered. But if you have a big infrastructure with many services juju will realy help. I am not aware of any other framework that allowes you to handle the complexity of large infrastructures so elegantly
[10:02] <kjackal> magicaltrout a "part-timer"... yeah right.... You heard it here at #juju first!
[10:03] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: two points to remember 1. Never mix hooks and reactive 2. What you use in the metadata.yaml to reference an interface will be used in the states that interface sets
[10:04] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: for exmample we used "db" to ref pgsql interface so the states this interface set are "db.<whatever>"
[10:04] <erik_lonroth3> I'm not arguing juju isn't good. Really the contrary. I'm arguing that having a few paths that assists you into acctually producing "common task" juju charms will make it easier to grow a community aroud it also. I'm happy to help here.
[10:04] <stub> erik_lonroth3: I think we actually want to replace interface:pgsql with a URL to a repo, because people want to pin versions, test forks etc.
[10:05] <stub> erik_lonroth3: (but I don't think that has moved beyond the vague notion stage yet)
[10:06] <erik_lonroth3> stub: I think thats really important. Its critical to be able to know how to reproduce a charm.
[10:06] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: would you be able to tell us your experience in this list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Your feedback is much appreciated and deserves more visibility!
[10:07] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: I would love to at some stage. I do however need to get to a point where I'm experienced enough to differentiate between my "novelty-beginner-experience" and "inherent problems with juju".
[10:08] <erik_lonroth3> I don't want to bloat your input when I'm still so new to this.
[10:09] <anrah> erik_lonroth3: I can comfort you as I started with 0 knowledge of Juju last October and I was as confused as you are now. But after multiple trials and errors things just slowly started to make sense
[10:10] <kjackal> erik_lonroth3: I think it is right the oposite. We know what to do for the experienced users. We need to understand what we are doing wrong with the begginers
[10:10] <anrah> Our team has now developed for our internal use multiple charms and I like the simplicity of reactive framework and how that eases the deployment
[10:11] <erik_lonroth3> anrah: Thanx. But wouldn't you also agree from your opinion that its not so good that it takes well over a year to get to a point where you can do more advanced stuff?
[10:11] <erik_lonroth3> anrah: I like to hear that you are saying so.
[10:11] <erik_lonroth3> about your team.
[10:12] <anrah> erik_lonroth3: well yes, the learning curve was quite steep
[10:13] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: testing your stuff now.
[10:13] <anrah> We've refactored our charms couple times after we got something working.. First it was just bash that was run through Juju hooks
[10:14] <anrah> And after getting comfortable with reactive we rebuilt everything from scratch using reactive only
[10:19] <erik_lonroth3> anrah: sonds like a common path =)
[10:23] <anrah> Yes :) And well I don't know whether half a year is long period to learn something
[10:24] <anrah> It took also half a year of me to learn how to write chef cookbooks in a decent way
[10:25] <erik_lonroth3> anrah: Perhaps its me wanting too much. =)
[10:30] <anrah> But I can comfort you that after you get your head around with states and interfaces things get lot easier and charming is quite straight-forward
[10:31] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: Thanx, it works. After my lunch, I'll try to wrap up some of my experiences and maybe provide an email to the list.
[10:36] <kjackal> thanks erik_lonroth3
[12:18] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: well you do know that galgalesh is working on the whole IDE part... so your dream is coming together one piece at a time
[12:19] <lazyPower> if there were some kind of clairvoyance.py we could tap into to lint your intent, we would totally be able to deliver your entire dream ;)
[12:27] <magicaltrout> true that
[12:45] <CoderEurope> Kubernetes made it to HN https://hackernoon.com/what-is-kubernetes-and-why-should-you-care-f4c8da25b143
[12:49] <lazyPower> Well thats an interesting way to cross promote
[12:50] <lazyPower> I wish it had more substance though, it seems like its missing a lot of detail
[14:22] <tychicus> probably a really low priority item but it looks like the juju charm store counts tags rather than charms when you search for a charm
[14:22] <tychicus> https://jujucharms.com/u/cloudbaseit/#charms
[14:22] <tychicus> charm count 17, but only 10 charms
[14:23] <tychicus> there are 17 tags though
[16:04] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: https://twitter.com/lazypower/status/862699798654275586
[16:04] <magicaltrout> #lol
[16:05] <magicaltrout> indeed lazyPower
[16:05] <magicaltrout> we use it to stalk you!
[16:05] <lazyPower> even better
[17:27] <rick_h> NOTICE with usso having some issues logging into JAAS and such is going to have issues. Apologies to those that choose now to "I'll just logout and back in"
[17:58] <lazyPower> as such anyone attempting to build layers hosted out of launchpad will also have similar issues assembling charms.
[17:59] <lazyPower> stub: FYI - during the outage i repointed layer-snap to point @ your github mirror until its resolved. I'll revert to launchpad once we get the all-clear signal from IS
[18:24] <erik_lonroth3> kjackal: I wrote that mail you asked for to the juju mailing list.
[18:57] <lazyPower> erik_lonroth: that was a solid and well-detailed write up. Thank you for sharing
[19:01] <zeestrat> erik_lonroth: Great write up. We've been deploying Juju stuff for a year and now more into developing/fixing charms and we feel the same. Major need for better docs, tutorials and more opinionated guidelines/best practices
[19:07] <rick_h> erik_lonroth: zeestrat +1 on the great feedback. One note, I'm looking to pull together juju material for https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/ if anyone's interested I'm happy to help put tutorials together for things.
[20:11] <arosales>  Hello, is there a arch doc that describes communication between Juju and MAAS to provision services?
[20:12]  * arosales understand its communications via the MAAS API, but didn't know if there was an arch doc out there that described that a bit better
[20:18] <Catbus> stokachu hi
[20:19] <Catbus> Conjure-up kibernetes returns unable to locate package kibernetes. What may go wrong?
[20:19] <Catbus> Snaps is the latest.
[20:19] <Catbus> Snapd
[20:20] <Catbus> Snapd 2.24.1, conjure-up 2.1.5
[20:21] <arosales> rick_h: not sure if you would know of any doc that exists
[20:21] <hml> catbus: try ‘conjure-up kubernetes’   :-)
[20:22]  * arosales poking around https://github.com/juju/juju/tree/develop/provider/maas atm
[20:22] <Catbus> Tried that, it was a typo in my irc msg
[20:23] <Catbus> It was a copy and paste from the doc.
[20:24] <Catbus> Conjure-up openstack works. But not kuberbetes.
[20:24] <stokachu> Catbus: hey!
[20:24] <Catbus> Hey
[20:25] <stokachu> so what's happening?
[20:26] <Catbus> Conjure-up kubernetes returns unable o locate package kubernetes
[20:26] <Catbus> Conjure-up openstack works.
[20:26] <stokachu> strange
[20:26] <stokachu> this on 16.04?
[20:26] <Catbus> Me is on the phone, pardon my typos here
[20:26] <stokachu> np
[20:27] <stokachu> Catbus: are you typing that or is someone else?
[20:27] <stokachu> im bringing up a 16.04 system now
[20:28] <rick_h> arosales: hmm, so there's the https://github.com/juju/gomaasapi which was basically built for the provider and I there was a new provider checklist spreadsheet that lists calls/etc but I can't seem to find that doc now
[20:29] <Catbus> Helping someone else at Marcos hands on session at openstack summit. Only one person on the room has this problem. They are using VM on aws.
[20:29] <stokachu> that is crazy
[20:29] <stokachu> i just booted a aws vm and tried it
[20:29] <stokachu> are they sure they are on correct Ubuntu?
[20:30] <Catbus> Aws credentials are prepare by Marco.
[20:30] <stokachu> i dunno :(
[20:31] <stokachu> it works for me
[20:31] <stokachu> and obviously everyone else
[20:31] <stokachu> so it's gotta be something with that vm
[20:31] <Catbus> Yeah
[20:31] <stokachu> conjure-up doesn't even have an error message like 'unable to locate package kubernetes'
[20:31] <rick_h> arosales: tim drove most of that maybe he's got something personally that'll cover that better.
[20:32] <Catbus> Wow, ok.
[20:33] <stokachu> Catbus: if they just run conjure-up
[20:33] <stokachu> can they select kubernetes from the list?
[20:36] <arosales> rick_h: thanks I'll ping thumper
[20:36] <Catbus> Tried that, but the menu doesn't appear.
[20:36] <stokachu> uh
[20:37] <stokachu> im out of ideas
[20:37] <Catbus> It  complains a spell is required to run.
[20:37] <stokachu> other than kill the vm and try again
[20:37] <stokachu> Catbus: what does dpkg -l |grep conjure-up show
[20:37] <Catbus> Yeah, I just gave him another VM.
[20:38] <stokachu> Catbus: i bet he apt install conjure-up
[20:38] <stokachu> he/she
[20:39] <Catbus> No, he used snap
[20:40] <stokachu> Catbus: you sure? i have a feeling they have an older conjure-up installed
[20:40] <stokachu> the old old version of conjure-up pre-snap used to look for deb packages in the form of `openstack`
[20:41] <stokachu> so conjure-up openstack would apt-get install openstack which was a metapackage we used
[20:41] <stokachu> there is no deb package named kubernetes
[20:41] <stokachu> that's why they are hitting the error
[20:44] <Catbus> It works on the new VM. But your explanation makes sense.
[20:46] <Catbus> We just moved on, I don't want to verify so he can focus on the session.
[20:46] <Catbus> Thanks.
[20:46] <Catbus> Again.
[21:04] <stokachu> np


[03:26] <Shred00> is the latest build 27 hours old now because something has to be done to ack the last failure?
[04:27] <tgm4883> Shred00, there are two parts to the build process. Building of the source packages, and building of the binaries. Building of the source packages takes place outside of launchpad and can be monitored at this link  http://smithers.mythbuntu.org/~autobuild/weekly_mythtv.txt ( I just kicked off a new build )
[04:27] <Zinn> [smithers.mythbuntu.org] N/A
[04:27] <tgm4883> When the source packages are done building, they get uploaded to launchpad, you will see that in the log as well
[04:28] <tgm4883> The binaries are built on launchpad. You will see the source upload in the queue and when it starts building you will see a build log as well
[04:29] <tgm4883> If you see that the latest build is > 24 hours old, I'd check the source build log (at the link above) and see if it's still building, or if there was an error
[04:29] <tgm4883> IIRC, it will also state whether there were no new changes


[14:58] <alkisg> tedg: thanks to your help yesterday, I have a 4-line-diff for 95_dbus_request_shutdown.patch that makes LTSP clients properly reboot/shutdown. What should I do with that? Post it to the mailing list? Wait for chrisccoulson and give it to him directly? File a launchpad bug?
[14:58] <tedg> alkisg: Filing a LP bug would probably be best.
[14:58] <tedg> alkisg: Really cool that it's all working!
[14:59] <alkisg> It works fine, and the way you told me it'll even work with iTalc (classroom management tool)
[14:59] <alkisg> I'll file a bug, thanks a lot for everything!
[15:50] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
[15:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491940 in gnome-session "Patch for LTSP clients to properly reboot/shutdown" [Undecided,New]
[17:18] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: I've tested this and it's working: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
[17:18] <alkisg> I could use gdk_property_change() instead of spawning `xprop` to be a little faster, but it required additional headers. :-/
[17:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491940 in gnome-session "Patch for LTSP clients to properly reboot/shutdown" [Undecided,New]
[17:18] <alkisg> Please give it a look when you have some time. Thank you.


[05:17] <Guest91429> Mamarok here, I try to get my nick back, but freenode doesn't give me the command, can someone remind me how to free a nick? Ghost doesn't work as it is apparently not in use, just "not available"
[05:17] <Guest91429> I am on mobile so autologi didn't work :(
[05:18] <Guest91429> and googling from asmartphone is really not very convenient :(
[05:19] <Guest91429> anyone?
[05:19] <Flannel> Guest91429: ghost works.  \msg nickserv ghost [nick] [password]
[05:20] <Guest91429> weird, I tried, all I get is the message it is not available
[05:20] <Flannel> Guest91429: Mamarok isn't logged in, so you wouldn't need to ghost it.
[05:20] <Flannel> Just change to the nick and identify, and you'll be fine.
[05:21] <Flannel> Oh, you said that.
[05:21] <Guest91429> it says it is not yet available
[05:21] <Guest91429> so I need to free it first, and I can't remember that command
[05:21] <Guest91429> it's not ghost, I tried that
[05:22] <Guest91429> unblock or something like that?
[05:23] <Flannel> Can't you just login (msg nickserv identify [nick] [password]) and then nick to it?
[05:23] <Flannel> maybe release is what you were originally looking for.  But logging in to it should also fix any issues.
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> Guest91429: /quote nickserv regain looks more like what you want than release
[05:25] <Flannel> hah, I thought my slashes felt strange.
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> If I had a nickel for every time a commercial spokesperson said "www-whatever-backslash-whatever", I'd put those nickels in a bag and beat them with it.
[05:27] <Mamarok> it was release, thx
[05:27] <Mamarok> I couldn't remember that command, silly me
[05:28] <Flannel> I was just thinking "These look strange... but I typed them... well, I guess it's escaping the command."
[06:23] <gry> Is everyone dead here or quite not yet?
[06:25] <gry> I would suggest cfhowlett as an op; he's been around for at least a couple years and is around now, too
[21:34] <k1l_> Empyrium: hi, how can we help you?


[07:48] <ara> infinity, :(
[07:49] <infinity> ara: ?
[07:52] <ara> infinity, moving 12.04.4 and 14.04.0 to old-releases
[07:53] <infinity> ara: Oh, bleh.  Was on vacation for a while and forgot about getting that done.
[07:53] <infinity> ara: Will forget less in the morning.
[07:54] <ara> infinity, ok, thanks
[13:20] <mdeslaur> can someone plese delete squid3 from the trusty and utopic upload queues?
[13:23] <ScottK> mdeslaur: Done
[13:23] <mdeslaur> ScottK: thanks
[13:55] <utlemming> hey release team...could I get one of you to ack in the SRU upload for Bug 1367883? udev? Its been sitting now for two months
[13:55] <ubot2> bug 1367883 in udev (Ubuntu Precise) "[SRU] Add Microsoft-owned MAC address to 75-persistent-net-generator.rules" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367883


[08:59] <mup> PR operator#815 closed: require tests to pass on a commit before we publish it to pypi <Created by rwcarlsen> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/815>
[13:46] <mup> PR operator#814 closed: add symmetrical teardown sequence simulator in Harness <Created by PietroPasotti> <Closed by pengale> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/814>