[09:54] <Dark> no repositories that means :)
[09:54] <dope> the live cd is the install disk
[09:54] <Dark> no it's not :)
[09:54] <deus> Not sure, the website didnt have any information
[09:54] <menteck> where can i get 3D Blender from
[09:54] <dope> you sure?
[09:54] <Dark> of course :)
[09:54] <cloakable> :( ubotu is gon.
[09:54] <dope> i just installed kubuntu with the live cd
[09:54] <cloakable> *gone.
[09:55] <menteck> !3D blender
[09:55] <Bubba_Gump> Dark: the live cd is the install cd
[09:55] <dope> i just said that
[09:55] <Dark> O.o
[09:55] <mats> i hope Seveas gor somekind of a backup for his database!
[09:55] <Bubba_Gump> Dark: have you downloaded the correct one
[09:55] <Bubba_Gump> ?
[09:55] <mats> s/gor/got/
[09:55] <dope> there should be an icon on the desktop that says "install"
[09:55] <Dark> live cd is to run OS from a cd
[09:55] <Bubba_Gump> yes
[09:55] <deus> is there a install CD that is not a liveCD?
[09:55] <Dark> without copying files to hdd
[09:55] <Bubba_Gump> and install it, too
[09:55] <Dark> or am I missing something?
[09:55] <dope> when you boot the live cd you'll see an icon on the desktop that says "install"
[09:55] <menteck> is there a package for 3d blender
[09:55] <SNAKE> how much ram i need to run kubuntu whith 3d blender?
[09:55] <Bubba_Gump> it runs the OS from the CD yes
[09:56] <mats> Dark: its both ;)
[09:56] <Sanne> menteck: Blender should be in the repositories, or for the latest version you can download from blender.org and just unzip to a directory and start.
[09:56] <Bubba_Gump> and if you look
[09:56] <Bubba_Gump> at the desktop
[09:56] <Dark> ooo I see :)
[09:56] <dope> Dark: you click the install button and it installs kubuntu from the live cd
[09:56] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[09:56] <menteck> thank you
[09:56] <Dark> heheh
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3D blender - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <Dark> sorry for that :P
[09:56] <mats> 'install kubuntu' or somethink
[09:56] <Bubba_Gump> easily done :)
[09:56] <Sanne> menteck: to check which repository blender is in, you can search on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <matthew> deus, yes, use the alternate install. It will boot into runlevel2 and you can install from there
[09:57] <deus> what If i want to try it first?
[09:57] <Sanne> menteck: edgy has the latest blender 2.42a
[09:57] <matthew> deus, ummm, I don't understand what you mean.
[09:57] <deus> runlevel 2 is text based, isnt it?
[09:57] <mats> deus: thats what you are doing - and if you want it. Click on the install on your desktop
[09:57] <dope> someone help me change my refresh rate from 50Hz to 60Hz
[09:57] <Dark> good job lol
[09:57] <aleksanteri> :P
[09:57] <mats> aleksanteri: ;-) nice
[09:58] <Dark> don't forget to back up your data aleksanteri
[09:58] <deus> well, Id like to see the desktop first, find out if it will load up my tvcard the easy way, that kinda thing
[09:58] <aleksanteri> http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-ubuntu-dapper-to-ubuntu-edgy-eft.html <-- good how-to :)
[09:58] <Dark> dist upgrades are not always smooth :)
[09:58] <mats> hehe - no ;)
[09:58] <aleksanteri> Dark: ? oh
[09:58] <menteck> what dos it mean when it say break install
[09:59] <aleksanteri> oh god i have lots to pack itc
[09:59] <scherfa> Anyone else has problems with the swap partition today ?
[09:59] <mats> what problem?
[09:59] <Dark> aleksanteri, just a precaution. I had to browse with w3m and aptitude to run xserver. It would not start after upgrade :)
[10:00] <aleksanteri> ok
[10:00] <scherfa> My swap partition wasn't mounted on startup --
[10:00] <menteck> him i had that problem yesterday
[10:00] <aleksanteri> good thing that i own a usb memory stick :)
[10:01] <aleksanteri> an*
[10:01] <menteck> i reset my computer an it fixed its self
[10:01] <scherfa> ok
[10:02] <menteck> what dos it mean when adept manager says intall break
[10:02] <Dark> that you need to reinstall that package
[10:03] <aleksanteri> hmmm i have no time for precautions tho :P , i'll just get those most important things
[10:03] <animimotus> :
[10:03] <Dark> and (imho) use synaptic
[10:03] <menteck> but i am trying to get it off the internet and it is saying thaat
[10:04] <hex_st0rm> hey everyone
[10:04] <hex_st0rm> i just downloaded firefox 2.0 but i cant figure out how to upgrade, is anyone here aware of how to upgrade?
[10:05] <aleksanteri> apt-get install firefox
[10:05] <Dark> :D
[10:05] <aleksanteri> ^_^
[10:05] <sercik> !beryl
[10:05] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:06] <hex_st0rm> as simple as that alek?
[10:06] <hex_st0rm> gah im an idiot
[10:06] <Dark> apt-get rulez :)
[10:06] <aleksanteri> ye
[10:06] <hex_st0rm> rofl
[10:07] <hex_st0rm> here i was trying to do extremely complex commands when its the most basic command out there
[10:07] <hex_st0rm> gah, thanks
[10:07] <aleksanteri> if it says "already newest version" then you need no upgrade
[10:07] <aleksanteri> otherwise it asks you for confirm if i am correct
[10:07] <aleksanteri> well, in most cases :P
[10:07] <hex_st0rm> k
[10:07] <aleksanteri> in others it does it automatically :P
[10:08] <hex_st0rm> well im using 1.5 when they just distributed 2.0
[10:08] <aleksanteri> ye just use apt-get
[10:08] <hex_st0rm> i can get my hands on 3.0 too ^_^
[10:08] <aleksanteri> O_o oh
[10:08] <Dark> if a .deb has been resealed
[10:08] <menteck> i tryed apt get and it say the package dos not exist an more
[10:08] <Dark> otherwise long hours of compiling :)
[10:08] <aleksanteri> well i am using opera tho, i need no foxes on fire :P
[10:09] <Dark> opera here too heheh
[10:09] <hex_st0rm> lol
[10:09] <hex_st0rm> i've never tried opera
[10:09] <aleksanteri> :D
[10:09] <aleksanteri> i guess you should get it with apt-get too :P
[10:09] <Dark> aleksanteri what irc client are you using?
[10:09] <aleksanteri> kvirc
[10:09] <Dark> you will never guess mine :D
[10:09] <aleksanteri> opera? :P
[10:09] <Dark> ye :D
[10:09] <Sanne> hex_st0rm: (in case you don't know already) if you look for software, it is best to first check if it's already provided by the ubuntu repositories, before downloading manually from the net. You might want to read this info about repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[10:10] <aleksanteri> :P you were wrong, i guessed it
[10:10] <Dark> heheh
[10:10] <aleksanteri> i was using opera for a few months but i changed
[10:10] <Dark> you are using opera too, what's why P
[10:10] <Dark> :P
[10:10] <aleksanteri> i was using opera as the irc client*
[10:10] <aleksanteri> :D
[10:10] <hex_st0rm> woot getting vmware too
[10:10] <Dark> it's good for basic irc needs
[10:11] <aleksanteri> the powers of apt-get are unlimited. well almost :P
[10:11] <Dark> apt-get + alien
[10:11] <aleksanteri> for example you can't get xampp with apt-get :|
[10:11] <hex_st0rm> whats alien for?
[10:11] <Dark> transforming rpm into deb :D
[10:11] <aleksanteri> alien is a creater in outer space
[10:11] <hex_st0rm> nice
[10:11] <aleksanteri> creature*
[10:11] <mats> ports is allmost unlimited.. but hey - you save time using binarys
[10:11] <hex_st0rm> im so excited
[10:11] <aleksanteri> fyi
[10:12] <clodo> vive la france vive la france
[10:12] <hex_st0rm> getting vmware
[10:12] <Dark> lol
[10:12] <aleksanteri> ^_^
[10:12] <hex_st0rm> wait
[10:12] <hex_st0rm> oh poo
[10:12] <hex_st0rm> i only got 256mb of ram
[10:12] <aleksanteri> i use partititions so i don't use vmware
[10:12] <hex_st0rm> lol my virtual machines are gonna be hella slow
[10:12] <aleksanteri> windows xp + linux kubuntu :)
[10:12] <Dark> me too
[10:12] <Dark> :D:D
[10:12] <aleksanteri> :D :P
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> me too
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> i tried nUbuntu
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> its ok
[10:13] <aleksanteri> nubuntu? O_o
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> network ubuntu
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> built for hacking
[10:13] <aleksanteri> ahh :P
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> basicly..
[10:13] <hex_st0rm> not really sure what distro i wanna try next
[10:13] <mats> i think whoax is a better distro for hacking with script-kiddies tools
[10:13] <malik__> how do i  install windows in linux?..............i mean virtually?
[10:13] <fnord5> whats nubuntu running kde/gnome/?
[10:13] <aleksanteri> vmware? :P
[10:14] <hex_st0rm> i think nubuntu runs fluxbox
[10:14] <mats> malik__: use vmware.. the best tool for windows
[10:14] <fnord5> !fluxbox
[10:14] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[10:14] <hex_st0rm> vmware is a program to run virtual machines alek
[10:14] <malik__> is it free or paid software?
[10:14] <aleksanteri> !xgl
[10:14] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:14] <hex_st0rm> free of course
[10:14] <aleksanteri> !beryl
[10:14] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:14] <aleksanteri> ic :P
[10:14] <mats> malik__: you cant get it for free
[10:15] <hex_st0rm> it doesnt want me to install it though
[10:15] <hex_st0rm> wont let me hit the cursed OK button
[10:15] <hex_st0rm> *sighs*
[10:15] <hex_st0rm> !adept crash fix
[10:15] <aleksanteri> hmm
[10:15] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:16] <aleksanteri> ubotu is smart! :D
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is smart! :D - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <hex_st0rm> uh oh
[10:16] <aleksanteri> O_o
[10:16] <aleksanteri> lol
[10:16] <hex_st0rm> vmware = going corrupted already
[10:16] <Dark> ahahahaha
[10:16] <Dark> ubotu rocks :D
[10:16] <ubotu> rocks: Make network sockets reliable in a transparent way. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4-3build1 (edgy), package size 77 kB, installed size 248 kB
[10:16] <aleksanteri> :P
[10:16] <Adlai> !vmware
[10:16] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[10:17] <fnord5> compile a binary?
[10:17] <aleksanteri> O_o
[10:17] <hex_st0rm> too lazy
[10:17] <hex_st0rm> wo0t
[10:17] <hex_st0rm> vmware's workin again
[10:18] <hex_st0rm> does it run .iso files or what?
[10:18] <Dark> yep
[10:18] <fnord5> how do i compile a binary?
[10:18] <aleksanteri> now i can't pack them :|
[10:18] <aleksanteri> what's the command to pack a tar file :P
[10:18] <hex_st0rm> *curses vmware*
[10:19] <Dark> you won't believe, but I still don't know that command :D
[10:19] <aleksanteri> darn
[10:19] <hex_st0rm> lemme find it
[10:19] <hex_st0rm> yeh i got it bookmarked
[10:19] <aleksanteri> oh :P
[10:19] <aleksanteri> what's it then?
[10:19] <cloakable> !anything
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <aleksanteri> lmao
[10:19] <menteck> how do you install from .tgz
[10:19] <Dark> rofl
[10:20] <hex_st0rm> isnt it just tar?
[10:20] <Dark> noo
[10:20] <aleksanteri> menteck: tar -zxvf tar-file
[10:20] <aleksanteri> try that
[10:20] <aleksanteri> tar unpacks
[10:20] <menteck> thanx
[10:20] <hex_st0rm> untar unpacks
[10:20] <Dark> I knew hat command by hears one day.. but gui makes your memory leak :)
[10:20] <dope> ok what are the codecs again?
[10:20] <hex_st0rm> !pastebin
[10:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:20] <dope> i'm playin an avi file and i can't see the movie
[10:20] <aleksanteri> hex_st0rm: no tar unpacks :P
[10:20] <ricanelite> Who here uses Apollon File Sharing?
[10:21] <hex_st0rm> http://www.computerhope.com/unix/utar.htm
[10:21] <mc__> ricanelite: me
[10:21] <Dark> ubotu osama bin laden
[10:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about osama bin laden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <Dark> :D
[10:21] <aleksanteri> :P
[10:21] <dope> are the codec packs i can download?
[10:21] <hex_st0rm> i need some help...
[10:21] <hex_st0rm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37624/
[10:21] <ricanelite> well mc_ I'm getting a Connection Error when I open up the program
[10:21] <hex_st0rm> when i try to install firefox i get that
[10:21] <aleksanteri> ubotu microsoft
[10:22] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute.  :P
[10:23] <hex_st0rm> owns
[10:23] <aleksanteri> not sure
[10:23] <hex_st0rm> its good
[10:23] <hex_st0rm> lol
[10:23] <aleksanteri> o
[10:23] <aleksanteri> m$ sux
[10:23] <hex_st0rm> bull!
[10:23] <aleksanteri> ???
[10:23] <aleksanteri> o well :|
[10:23] <Dark> hex your firefox is newest already
[10:23] <hex_st0rm> no its not
[10:23] <hex_st0rm> when i open it up its still the crappy one
[10:24] <ricanelite> who here uses Apollon File Sharing?
[10:24] <Dark> forefox -v in console hex
[10:24] <hex_st0rm> sudo apt-get install firefox -v?
[10:24] <Dark> no
[10:24] <Dark> firefox -v
[10:24] <Dark> only
[10:24] <Dark> paste what is says
[10:24] <hex_st0rm> menace@menace-desktop:~$ firefox -v Mozilla Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2006 mozilla.org
[10:24] <fnord5> some ones trying to warn me on gaim but it wont let them,it says "user fnord portland cant be warned".is this a niffty feature of gaim or soemthing else?
[10:25] <Dark> hmm
[10:25] <aleksanteri> !gaim
[10:25] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[10:25] <aleksanteri> o
[10:25] <BDDF> ricanelite: i do
[10:25] <Dark> hex that means you have to install firefox manually
[10:25] <fnord5> oh n ever mind we found te problem
[10:25] <hex_st0rm> how can i do that?
[10:25] <Dark> get a 2.0 .deb packaje if you can
[10:26] <hex_st0rm> i downloaded 2.0 and its a tar file
[10:26] <aleksanteri> if ur lucky you get sh :P
[10:26] <hex_st0rm> then i untar'd it
[10:26] <hex_st0rm> it has a sh file
[10:26] <Dark> then dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb
[10:26] <aleksanteri> the do
[10:26] <hex_st0rm> it wont run
[10:26] <aleksanteri> cd <unpacked directory>
[10:26] <Dark> you downloaded source
[10:26] <aleksanteri> and "./configure"
[10:26] <aleksanteri> but that's a bit tricky :|
[10:26] <Dark> yea...
[10:27] <Dark> compiling is the last resort :)
[10:27] <aleksanteri> i needed to download lots of libraries to get autoconf :P
[10:27] <aleksanteri> then i had compiling as the first resort :P
[10:27] <Dark> known expelience lol
[10:27] <hex_st0rm> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0&os=linux&lang=en-US
[10:27] <aleksanteri> i was stupid :P
[10:27] <Dark> experience*
[10:27] <hex_st0rm> thats the only download i can find for it
[10:28] <aleksanteri> hmmm
[10:28] <hex_st0rm> menace@menace-desktop:~/Desktop/firefox$ ./updater
[10:28] <hex_st0rm> Usage: updater <dir-path> <parent-pid> [working-dir callback args...]
[10:28] <hex_st0rm> eeeek sorry
[10:28] <Dark> lol
[10:29] <hex_st0rm> but, how do i work that?
[10:29] <Dark> hex_st0rm
[10:29] <hex_st0rm> not sure what parent pid means and stuff...
[10:29] <Dark> either disro upgrade
[10:29] <Dark> or source compilation
[10:29] <hex_st0rm> disro upgrade?
[10:29] <Dark> using dapper right?
[10:29] <hex_st0rm> yes i think
[10:29] <hex_st0rm> not sure
[10:29] <aleksanteri> :D 7z is great! :P
[10:29] <Dark> distro*
[10:29] <hex_st0rm> and not sure how to check
[10:29] <aleksanteri> xcept that i don't know where's the zip file now
[10:30] <Dark> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:30] <aleksanteri> ahh it's at the root folder :P
[10:30] <aleksanteri> ok everything backed up ;)
[10:30] <Dark> if you see manny dappers there
[10:30] <Dark> than it's dapper :D
[10:30] <hex_st0rm> yes im using dapper then
[10:30] <aleksanteri> let's go :)
[10:31] <Dark> so if you want 2.0 firefor, you need to upgrade to edgy
[10:31] <hex_st0rm> k
[10:31] <Dark> or compile 2.0 source
[10:31] <hex_st0rm> is edgy still in beta?
[10:31] <Dark> nope
[10:31] <aleksanteri> O_o now i got stuck
[10:31] <hex_st0rm> ok
[10:31] <Sanne> hex_st0rm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:31] <hex_st0rm> is there any chance of me losing my files?
[10:32] <aleksanteri> apt-get -f install
[10:32] <aleksanteri> Reading package lists... Done
[10:32] <aleksanteri> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:32] <aleksanteri> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 809 not upgraded.
[10:32] <aleksanteri><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:32] <aleksanteri> uh oh...
[10:32] <hex_st0rm> because i think i wanna upgrade to edgy
[10:32] <aleksanteri> it gets stuck
[10:32] <deus> hello again
[10:32] <hex_st0rm> but i dont wanna lose my files
[10:32] <mirsh> i'm trying to install kubuntu from the live environment, but the partitioner keeps saying i've no root filesystem. although I DO. i've set a perfect 7 GBs as /, a swap, and a /home. what's wrong?
[10:32] <aleksanteri> !7z
[10:32] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[10:32] <Sanne> hex_st0rm: backing up is wise
[10:32] <hex_st0rm> ok
[10:32] <hex_st0rm> gah
[10:32] <aleksanteri> !p7zip
[10:32] <ubotu> p7zip: 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.42.dfsg.1-2 (edgy), package size 315 kB, installed size 944 kB
[10:32] <hex_st0rm> 8gigs that i have to back up
[10:32] <hex_st0rm> gah
[10:32] <aleksanteri> p7zip is cwl
[10:33] <deus> I let my computer sit, trying to load up the kubuntu liveCD, for 30 minutes and it did nothing.  Im pretty sure there was something wrong
[10:33] <deus> It just sat there with a frozen progress bar for 30 minutes
[10:33] <Dark> hex distro upgrade is not that brutal :) but you need to be able to work with console, just in case :)
[10:33] <matthew> deus, did you do a checksum on it?
[10:33] <deus> yeah, twice
[10:34] <matthew> deus, did you check it to make sure the d/l wasn't corrupt, or did you check it to  make sure that the image on the disc matched the image stored on you computer?
[10:34] <ricanelite> BDDF I am getting a Connection Error when I open up Apollon
[10:35] <aleksanteri> ok
[10:35] <deus> yeah, i thought I did
[10:35] <aleksanteri> brb
[10:35] <aleksanteri> hopefully :P
[10:35] <Sanne> deus: there's also a cd check just after starting, in case you haven't donw that yet.
[10:35] <matthew> deus, how much RAM does your computer have?
[10:35] <deus> yeah, I ran that and it hung too
[10:35] <deus> about 1 GB
[10:35] <matthew> deus, hmmm, I'm out of ideas...sorry
[10:36] <deus> groan
[10:36] <Dark> :(
[10:36] <Dark> something with hardware as it seems
[10:36] <deus> Is there anyway I can hire someone to come to me house and force this POS to work?
[10:36] <BluesKaj> how is foobar used in a URL search ?
[10:36] <Sanne> deus: if you want to install, the alternate cd might work then.
[10:37] <deus> I wanted to run the liveCD to make sure it workde
[10:38] <Sanne> deus: lol, yeah, that's kinda doh ;). Did you do a memtest? Sometimes it's because of bad ram.
[10:38] <Sanne> deus: or, you could burn the cd again very slowly, also helps sometimes.
[10:43] <Sanne> deus: also maybe this might help you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyKnownIssues
[10:44] <aleksanteri> :D works perfectly
[10:44] <aleksanteri> i have now transparent menus and shading :)
[10:44] <aleksanteri> that's why i wanted to upgrade my xorg :P
[10:45] <Dark> gratz on new distro aleksanteri :)
[10:45] <aleksanteri> ty dark
[10:45] <deus> thanks
[10:45] <fnord5> how would switch to the 2600 network?
[10:47] <Dark> !rezus
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rezus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <Dark> ^^
[10:49] <deus> My computer has been working correctly for about 5 months with windows and then mepis. Is it likely that I could still have bad ram?
[10:49] <klopsy> hello
[10:49] <aleksanteri> !you
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <fnord5> im trying to switch to another irc network,how do i do this?
[10:50] <aleksanteri> :P
[10:50] <aleksanteri> fnord5: client?
[10:50] <fnord5> its the 2600 network
[10:51] <aleksanteri> ???
[10:51] <fnord5> client?
[10:51] <fnord5> im confused im new to irc
[10:52] <aleksanteri> what app are you using?
[10:52] <aleksanteri> konversation/kvirc/opera?
[10:52] <fnord5> kon
[10:52] <aleksanteri> ok
[10:52] <aleksanteri> lemme see
[10:53] <aleksanteri> hmm
[10:53] <aleksanteri> menu -> file
[10:53] <aleksanteri> of F2 :P
[10:53] <fnord5> yup
[10:53] <aleksanteri> or*
[10:53] <Sanne> deus: Windows is more forgiving re bad ram, but if you ran linux, it isn't too likely. But why not check it just to be safe? It's an option on the live cd (if you get it to run), let it run for some hours.
[10:54] <aleksanteri> a dialog box opens, choose ur server there
[10:54] <fnord5> thnx
[10:55] <aleksanteri> np ;)
[10:59] <fnord5> whats the lost and found folder?
[10:59] <menteck> tgz
[10:59] <aleksanteri> dunno
[10:59] <fnord5> the only thing ive seen it used for in windows programs
[11:00] <aleksanteri> oh
[11:00] <sinpath> what should i do about a java plugin install that seems to be stuck in preparing prosses for 3 hours?
[11:01] <aleksanteri> O_o
[11:01] <matthew> sinpath, it's probably stuck at a screen where you need to accept the license agreement
[11:01] <sinpath> >_<
[11:01] <matthew> what program are you using to install it?
[11:01] <matthew> sinpath, what program are you using to install it?
[11:02] <sinpath> adept manager its a mozilla/firefox plug in
[11:03] <matthew> sinpath, I try to stay away from adept, so I don't really know. Look around for an option to view more, or see terminal or something like that.
[11:03] <aleksanteri> :P
[11:04] <sinpath> how would i go about ending this stalled prosses?
[11:04] <aleksanteri> hmm
[11:04] <aleksanteri> click on the x button :P
[11:04] <sinpath> haha  ok
[11:05] <sinpath> seems  to work
[11:05] <matthew> sinpath, it worked?
[11:05] <sinpath> yep
[11:05] <matthew> sinpath, good to hear it!
[11:05] <aleksanteri> :)
[11:06] <sinpath> so how doy you install java olug ins for mozilla/fire fox with out adept?
[11:06] <aleksanteri> apt-get ?
[11:07] <matthew> sinpath, for command line, use apt-get or aptitude, for a graphic installer, use synaptic
[11:07] <matthew> sinpath, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:07] <sinpath> o_o lost me
[11:07] <matthew> type in sudo apt-get install synaptic in a terminal
[11:08] <sinpath> konsole?
[11:08] <matthew> sinpath, yup
[11:09] <}Feanor{> mmm someone can use a nokia 6600 like a wireless mouse?
[11:09] <}Feanor{> on [k] ubuntu
[11:10] <sinpath> Recommended packages:
[11:10] <sinpath>   libgnome2-0 gksu deborphan libgnome2-perl
[11:10] <sinpath> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:10] <sinpath>   launchpad-integration libglade2-0 liblaunchpad-integration0 libvte-common
[11:10] <sinpath>   libvte4 synaptic
[11:10] <sinpath> 0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 119 not upgraded.
[11:10] <sinpath> Need to get 1807kB/1890kB of archives.
[11:10] <sinpath> After unpacking 8475kB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:10] <sinpath> Do you want to continue
[11:10] <sinpath> should i keep going with this?
[11:10] <matthew> sinpath, yes
[11:10] <aleksanteri> ye
[11:11] <matthew> sinpath, if you need to paste big stuff like that, use paste bin
[11:11] <matthew> !pastebin | sinpath
[11:11] <ubotu> sinpath: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:11] <aleksanteri> :)
[11:11] <matthew> aleksanteri, ha ha, I'm always just a _little_ bit faster...lol
[11:12] <aleksanteri> darn it :|
[11:12] <sinpath> so this will install the java plug ins i need?
[11:13] <matthew> sinpath, this will install a GUI-based program that will allow you to install the java-plugins that you need.
[11:13] <sinpath> ok its done so now what?
[11:14] <matthew> sinpath, type in "synaptic" in the terminal w/o the quotations
[11:15] <sinpath> not runing as root
[11:15] <sinpath> The application will run in read-only mode. You will not be able to change the package database.
[11:15] <matthew> sinpath, it's easier to see messages that are addressed to me...try typing my name, or the first three letters and hitting tab to complete my name.
[11:15] <matthew> sinpath, whoops, do this: sudo synaptic
[11:15] <aleksanteri> it will ask for ur password
[11:16] <matthew> aleksanteri, that's kind of a given.
[11:16] <aleksanteri> :P
[11:16] <matthew> sinpath, you need to close synaptic and do sudo synaptic in the Konsole
[11:16] <sinpath> matthew   i did that
[11:17] <matthew> sinpath, ok, now that synaptic is up, do a search for firefox java
[11:17] <sinpath> ok
[11:18] <sinpath> cant you use privet chat?
[11:18] <moritz> hey guys.... Ihave a problem: After studying and trying a lot of things I can't look straming videos on the internet.....there is an error message that says ("no video")
[11:18] <matthew> sinpath, read my messages in private chat, please
[11:18] <matthew> moritz, I'm really not supposed to say this, but try automatix2 www.getautomatix.com
[11:18] <matthew> sinpath, brb, gotta go take a dump
[11:19] <aleksanteri> matthew: what was the shortcut to get the kdesu window?
[11:19] <sinpath> lol ok cant see your messages
[11:19] <moritz> matthew, I tried it already
[11:19] <LjL> !automatix | matthew, moritz
[11:19] <ubotu> matthew, moritz: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:19] <BluesKaj> !fr
[11:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:20] <aleksanteri> !ubuntu
[11:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[11:20] <aleksanteri> :P
[11:20] <moritz> ubotu, some videos a running, but not quicktime, do you have another Idea, then reinstalling?
[11:20] <aleksanteri> moritz: ubotu is a bot
[11:20] <moritz> oh, alright
[11:20] <moritz> sorry
[11:20] <SnDPhoenix> hello ppl, i need help and im hoping someone here knows what to do
[11:21] <BluesKaj> moritz, type ,about:plugins,  in your browser address bar
[11:21] <moritz> bluesKaj, done
[11:22] <aleksanteri> i gotta go to sleep
[11:22] <aleksanteri> bye
[11:22] <moritz> bye
[11:22] <rance> Anybody remember the old "banner" program from unix that allowed you to print long horizontal banners to continuous feed printers?, is that available for ubuntu, I can't find it
[11:22] <sinpath> bye
[11:23] <moritz> bluesKaj, what's next? What I'm supposed to do?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> now you'll see which codecs and video players are setup in your browser , moritz...make sure you have "flash " ...it's the most popular on video stream sites like youtube
[11:24] <matthew> k, I'm back
[11:24] <moritz> bluesKaj, yes flash is there, as well as VLC, Quicktime plugin, Real Player 9, Windoof Media Player Plugin, mplayerplug,
[11:25] <moritz> blueskay, but only quicktime is not running
[11:25] <sinpath> hey matthew cant see your privet chat messages
[11:25] <esaym> say can someone help me out and send me: /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py
[11:26] <matthew> sinpath, oh, ok....ummm, I just smoked some salvia, so I'm pretty messed up right now...
[11:26] <sinpath> hahaha ok man
[11:26] <BluesKaj> that means you need to DL quicktime plugin for your browser...make sure all the plugins say "enabled "
[11:26] <matthew> sinpath, I just said that I prefer to use the open chat room so that if anyone else has the same problem, they can see the solution
[11:27] <sinpath> ok sutes me fine
[11:27] <moritz> blueskay, I have QuickTime Plug-in 6.0 / 7 and it is enabled.....
[11:27] <matthew> sinpath, so...how did synaptic turn out? did it work ok?
[11:27] <moritz> do you have any Idea, blueskay?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> moritz, try youtube for flash
[11:28] <sinpath> *sigh* installed but still cant use the java window needed
[11:28] <moritz> yes youtube works, I just tried it
[11:28] <matthew> sinpath, try installing it, and in the window that pops up, click on view terminal
[11:29] <moritz> if you know www.rocketboom.com for instance.... it is quicktime and in the videowindow is standing (no video)
[11:29] <BluesKaj> ok, checking it our , moritz
[11:29] <moritz> thank you
[11:30] <sinpath> well i installed the mozilla java plug in but the java window im trying to use still dosnt work
[11:30] <matthew> sinpath, restart firefox
[11:30] <esaym> do you have a link to the java window? is it on a website?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> moritz, that site requires Mplayerplugin for your browser , FF or mozilla ?
[11:30] <sinpath> o.o tryed that
[11:30] <matthew> sinpath, try a reboot...and if that doesn't work, then I don't know
[11:30] <costas> hey guys, im having a really weird problem. i have a custom compiled kernel with the latest 9631 nvidia drivers. Also, i use fluxbox+rox-filer. when i double click on the rox pinboard desktop icons in fluxbox i get massive delays where the pc is doing nothing before apps start. everything is fine with kde and starting apps using the terminal. any ideas
[11:31] <BluesKaj> "mplayer plugin for mozilla" will work for both
[11:31] <moritz> blueskay, I have installed mplayerplug-in 3.31.... is it the right one?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> FF & mozilla
[11:31] <[Relic] > What section of configuration am I looking for to turn off all the annoying sounds?
[11:32] <sinpath> mplayer for a java plugin?
[11:32] <matthew> sinpath, I don't think they were addressing you
[11:33] <sinpath> oh>.<
[11:33] <matthew> sinpath, try a reboot...and if that doesn't work, then I don't know
[11:33] <sinpath> firefox has been restared
[11:33] <Sanne> [Relic] : System Settings/Sound & Multimedia/System Notifications
[11:33] <sinpath> ok then brb
[11:34] <moritz> blueskay, so I have already mplayerplug-in 3.31....
[11:35] <[Relic] > yay!  no more sound everytime I click something  :)
[11:35] <matthew> [Relic] , that was buggin
[11:36] <matthew>  me as well
[11:36] <BluesKaj> moritz, does it work ?
[11:36] <Sanne> [Relic] : glad it worked. Turning off all system sounds is one of the first things I do ;)
[11:36] <moritz> blueskay, by the way....wma doesn't work as well.......no it doesn't
[11:37] <BluesKaj> It's harder in windows...darn updates reiopens those obnoxious sounds
[11:37] <BluesKaj> what browser?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> moritz, what browser ?
[11:38] <moritz> firefox 2.0
[11:38] <[Relic] > I just did the window manager stuff
[11:38] <esaym> anyone want to help?
[11:39] <manchicken> wma == evil
[11:39] <moritz> manchicken, yes I know
[11:39] <moritz> I meant wmv
[11:39] <[Relic] > now if I could only find away to import my mozilla settings into firefox I would be ok  :)
[11:39] <manchicken> That's evil too ^_^
[11:39] <moritz> :)
[11:40] <BluesKaj> moritz, do you have mplayer installed on kde ?
[11:40] <manchicken> ogg is nice
[11:40] <sinpath> ok back
[11:40] <moritz> blueskay, Yes
[11:40] <matthew> sinpath, did it work?
[11:41] <sinpath> checking now
[11:41] <hex_st0rm> when i put a blank dvd+r in my computer so that i can back up all my files, why does it not let me open the dvd? it just asks me if i want to save it or what to open it with. I try to open it with konq but that just asks me what to open it with again or says "malformed URL"...does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
[11:41] <sinpath> no not working
[11:41] <matthew> sinpath, ok, I'm out of ideas, sorry
[11:42] <julle_> !lamp
[11:42] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:42] <Sanne> esaym: there you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37642/
[11:42] <moritz> blueskay, any ideas....?
[11:42] <sinpath> its ok
[11:42] <sinpath> i'll figer it out some how
[11:42] <esaym> heck ya your the best!!!
[11:43] <esaym> thanks Sanne
[11:43] <Sanne> esaym: you're welcome
[11:43] <BluesKaj> reinstall mplayer plugin for mozilla ...is all I can think of , moritz
[11:43] <moritz> blueskay, ok thank you for your time.... I'll try it
[11:44] <BluesKaj> np
[11:44] <julle_> is there possible to install LAMP over repro?
[11:44] <PsiKloPx> I've used kiso to image a cd but can't find a way to mount the image.   I found it not too difficult, I had my lamp up and running pretty quickly. And I don't think it's very nice to refer to our nice guide as "shit".
[11:47] <matthew> sinpath, I don't know...I'm pretty blasted at the moment...lol
[11:48] <hex_st0rm> when i put a blank dvd+r in my computer so that i can back up all my files, why does it not let me open the dvd? it just asks me if i want to save it or what to open it with. I try to open it with konq but that just asks me what to open it with again or says "malformed URL"...does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this
[11:48] <sinpath> hehe i hear yas man take care then imma gonna try it
[11:48] <matthew> sinpath, ok, I've a good one
[11:49] <sinpath> i will
[11:50] <matthew> sinpath, I meant, have a good one...lol
[11:50] <sinpath> go have fun man your blasted
[11:50] <Sanne> PsiKloPx: mount -o loop -t iso9660 path/to/your.iso /path/to/mountpoint
[11:50] <sinpath> me i got to cook
[11:50] <matthew> yeah...
[11:50] <matthew> sinpath, lol, have fun at that...
[11:51] <moritz> blueskay, any sources I have to add?
[11:51] <PsiKloPx> Thanx Sanne...I'll give it a shot
[11:51] <Sanne> PsiKloPx: you're welcome
[11:51] <manodad> moritz: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[11:51] <julle_> Sanne: did you use a lamp server? no the guide is not shit that not what a meant, i am sorry i am just tired and you know how words can come out wrong ;)
[11:52] <moritz> yes, he doesn't find it , blueskay
[11:52] <BluesKaj> moritz, http://www.linux-sxs.org/multimedia/mplayer.html
[11:52] <Sanne> julle_: yeah, sometimes it can be frustrating ;). I'm using apache, php and mysql on my dapper.
[11:52] <hex_st0rm> anyone have any ideas on my problem?
[11:52] <manodad> moritz: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[11:52] <A-L-A-R-M> where can i find the kdetv configuration file ? i want actually to reset the applications settings to default. i got it running once , but now i get the message "unable to grab image and to try to play with v4l pluging"
[11:53] <julle_> Sanne: okey
[11:53] <BluesKaj> manodad, he already tried apt-get
[11:54] <julle_> Sanne: i will read it again when i am not this tired, been fixing problems all evening :P
[11:54] <Sanne> julle_: good luck :)
[11:55] <manodad> BluesKaj: Yes but the package name was wrongly spelled
[11:55] <lguilherme> alguem sabe se o kubuntu tem synaptic?
[11:55] <manodad> the package is called mozilla-mplayer, Not mplayer-mozilla
[11:55] <bioticpro> Can anyone recommend good laptop brand to buy? (or another irc to go ask on)
[11:55] <BluesKaj> that's the way it's listed in adept, manodad
[11:56] <cloakable> bioticpro: IBM are pretty linux friendly laptops
[11:56] <manodad> ok..I just installed it by using apt-get install mozilla-mplayer....work like a charm now on www.rocketboom.com
[11:56] <moritz> blueskay, manodad, the terminal says I already have the newest version
[11:57] <moritz> manodad, no it doesn't on my PC
[11:58] <manodad> BluesKaj: try apt-cache search mplayer | grep mplayer
[11:58] <manodad> BluesKaj: Does it then find a package called that
[11:58] <hex_st0rm> !frostwire
[11:59] <BluesKaj> I'l already have it installed and working , manodad
[11:59] <manodad> BluesKaj: Ok
[11:59] <moritz> manodad, blueskay.... Yes I already have installed it as well, but it doesnt work.... and I don't know why
[11:59] <bioticpro> cloakable, IBM has no 17" gamer laptops I think, any others good?  I am thinking of Toshiba or HP, maybe Dell/Gateway
[12:00] <hex_st0rm> when i put a blank dvd+r in my computer so that i can back up all my files, why does it not let me open the dvd? it just asks me if i want to save it or what to open it with. I try to open it with konq but that just asks me what to open it with again or says "malformed URL"...does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this
[12:00] <manodad> moritz: Have you tried to uninstall the package and the installed it again...
[12:00] <moritz> and I followed exactly this manual to install it (it is like yours): http://www.debianadmin.com/install-mplayer-ubuntu.html
[12:01] <BluesKaj> did you try manodad's method , sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer  ?
[12:01] <moritz> I'll do ot now, manodad, if you would mind telling me how to do it
[12:01] <cloakable> bioticpro: Wouldn't know. But you're going to install Linux on a gaming laptop?
[12:01] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get remove mozilla-mplayer
[12:02] <moritz> yes, blueskay
[12:02] <moritz> ok, thx, blueskay
[12:02] <manodad> moritz: and then sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[12:02] <BluesKaj> it's BluesKaj, not blueskay ...I'm an old guy
[12:03] <hex_st0rm> lol
[12:03] <manodad> moritz: all these operations you do in a console window
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Kaj rhymes with sky ...hence BluesKaj
[12:04] <hex_st0rm> what language is kaj from?
[12:04] <moritz> BluesKay (sorry), manodad, yes I did it all in the console window and even after reinstalling mozilla-mplayer, it doesn't work
[12:04] <bioticpro> cloakable, probably not, I use linux on desktop... laptop, I am just asking based on general quality and durability
[12:04] <moritz> BluesKay (sorry), manodad, and I closed firefox and reopend it
[12:04] <manodad> moritz: ok...
[12:06] <BluesKaj> the guy can't read either
[12:06] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:06] <moritz> BluesKay (sorry), manodad, I think I will be going to bed (it is already 00:05 am over here. And I'll try somewhat later on
[12:06] <moritz> BluesKay (sorry), manodad, I thank you both for your patience with me
[12:07] <BluesKaj> moritz, try hitting the tab after typing this,  Blu
[12:07] <manodad> moritz: Yeah...The time is same here in Sweden so its time for bed as well here
[12:07] <moritz> BluesKaj: hey cool trick ;)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> svenksa !
[12:08] <BluesKaj> see there's no Y in my name :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> or y
[12:08] <moritz> BluesKaj: oh shit, shame on me
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hehe
[12:08] <moritz> BluesKaj: good night
[12:08] <cloakable> bioticpro: Then IBM. High quality, excellent durability.
[12:08] <moritz> manodad: good night
[12:09] <BluesKaj> goodnight moritz
[12:09] <manodad> BluesKaj: Goodnight
[12:09] <manodad> moritz: Goodnight
[12:09] <BluesKaj> goodnight manodad
[12:09] <moritz> :D
[12:15] <drkm> when doing apt-get install kde-desktop.. what version of kde is that installing?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> should be 3.5.5
[12:15] <drkm> ok thanks
[12:15] <drkm> is 4 still under development?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> yes


[00:13] <rharper> bdx: if you can pastebin /var/log/cloud-init.log we can see what's going on;
[03:19] <bdx> rharper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1729715
[14:00] <smoser> rharper: in netwokr config v1, i think that we can't rename an interface without knowing the mac. is that right ?
[14:09] <rharper> smoser: correct
[16:49] <smoser> https://git.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/commit/?h=feature/json-socket-server
[16:49] <smoser> thats my json server
[16:49] <smoser> see that commit message for how to use.
[16:59] <Sargun> Can you write templates in write_files?
[17:13] <blackboxsw> not sure what you mean Sargun, you can write any file content  you want. if you wrote templates in write_files I'd guess you'd be processing templates  in your runcmd config.
[17:18] <blackboxsw> the files written by the write_files is a list with a single file declared per list item.
[17:53] <bdx> @rharper, @smoser does static interface network-config for nocloud work for you guys?
[18:07] <rharper> bdx: working; I replied, you need network-config in separate file, and drop the top 'network' key
[18:10] <bdx> rharper: that is awesome!
[18:10] <bdx> I just got it to work
[18:10] <rharper> ]o/
[18:10] <bdx> many thanks
[18:10] <rharper> what happened to my arm!?
[18:10] <rharper> \o/
[18:10] <rharper> there we go
[18:10] <bdx> :)
[18:10] <rharper> np, sorry it wasn't clear from the docs
[18:11] <bdx> its cool, its pretty clear, there are just a few gotchas
[18:11] <bdx> like you *must* use the network-config file
[18:11] <bdx> which I did
[18:11] <bdx> geh
[18:11] <rharper> I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1708255
[18:12]  * bdx beats his own head
[18:12] <rharper> which should have made it obvious that it got a config but was unhappy with it
[18:12] <rharper> now just to allocate time toward that one
[18:12] <bdx> ha - right
[18:12] <bdx> thanks all the same
[18:13] <rharper> np
[18:13] <rharper> I may repurpose your bug into updating the docs around NoCloud's use of network-config since that part wasn't clear
[18:14] <bdx> that would be great
[18:15] <Sargun> blackboxsw: I have a file I want to write in write_files, but I want to substitute instance_id into the config files in some places. Is there an easy way to do this?
[18:40] <smoser> Sargun: no. :-(
[18:40] <smoser> but https://trello.com/c/AYaCdQyT
[18:40] <smoser> that is the trello card that i descried what i'd want.
[18:41] <smoser> powersj: what am i doing wrong
[18:43] <smoser> Sargun: i'd be interested in your thoughts on that.
[18:43] <powersj> smoser: not sure yet, I was just finishing lunch let me dig in
[18:49] <powersj> smoser: hmm now it is working, but super slow... 20 seconds for each pull.
[18:50] <powersj> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25881348/
[18:51] <powersj> are you seeing similar results?
[18:52] <smoser> for each pull ?
[18:52] <smoser> what is pull
[18:52] <powersj> sorry each cmd run
[18:54] <smoser> no..
[18:54] <smoser> 2017-11-03 18:53:28,938 - tests.cloud_tests - DEBUG - running collect script: result.json
[18:54] <smoser> 2017-11-03 18:53:28,938 - tests.cloud_tests - DEBUG - Executing "collect: result.json"
[18:54] <smoser> 2017-11-03 18:53:29,321 - tests.cloud_tests - DEBUG - running collect script: status.json
[18:54] <smoser> 2017-11-03 18:53:29,322 - tests.cloud_tests - DEBUG - Executing "collect: status.json"
[18:56] <powersj> hmm
[18:56] <smoser> powersj: i have a thoguht that it could be sudo and dns related possibly.
[18:57] <smoser> or it could be paramiko related.
[18:58] <smoser> maybe the wway we are sending stdin now is not rigiht
[18:58] <smoser> (we were not sending before)
[19:07] <smoser> powersj: can you try
[19:08] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25881453/
[19:08] <smoser> that re-uses the connected ssh client
[19:35] <blackboxsw> smoser: powersj I'm seeing successes on nocloud-kvm (artful)
[19:35] <blackboxsw> will pull in your paste too
[19:37] <powersj> blackboxsw: Are you seeing timings like smoser, which are quick?
[19:39] <powersj> smoser: still getting 20-second delays between each collect... that definitely feels like something is timing out somewhere along the path.
[19:39] <powersj> I'll pastebin shortly
[19:40] <blackboxsw> lemme, check timestamps on that powersj
[19:41] <powersj> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25881623/
[19:41] <blackboxsw> meh powersj yeah 20 second delays between collect calls
[19:41] <blackboxsw> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25881628/
[19:43]  * powersj goes and find's smoser's venv cmd
[19:47] <smoser> powersj: ./tools/tox-venv
[19:47] <smoser> blackboxsw: where are you running that ?
[19:48]  * blackboxsw hasn't tried smoser I'm running that on artful desktop at home.
[19:48] <smoser> oh. i thought you said you had.
[19:48] <blackboxsw> tox -e citest -- run --verbose --os-name xenial --deb cloud-init_17.1-46-g8a49e051-1~bddeb_all.deb --data-dir ~/collection --preserve-data --platform=nocloud-kvm --test=tests/cloud_tests/testcases/modules/final_message.py
[19:51] <powersj> smoser: still having issues: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25881674/
[19:53] <blackboxsw> smoser: sorry about the last couple comments,  I had tried running artful with the following commandline  I see various successes there, but I'm seeing the 20 second gap between each collect
[19:54] <blackboxsw> and that 20 second gap persists even across your re-use ssh patch
[19:55] <smoser> could one of you letl me in somewhere ?
[19:55] <smoser> so i can run. i'm kind of out of ideas.
[19:56] <blackboxsw> smoser: yeah adding you
[19:57] <blackboxsw> gotta open up my router one min
[20:00] <smoser> blackboxsw: hm.. ok . i ran here and i see it. (locally on artful desktoip) rather than on diglett.
[20:00] <blackboxsw> smoser: ok. I've got creds for you if needed
[20:06] <powersj> Running on torkoal seems fine
[20:06] <smoser> it hangs on
[20:06] <smoser>             rc = channel.recv_exit_status()
[20:14] <blackboxsw> should we be checking exit_status_ready ?
[20:17] <blackboxsw> not going to help
[20:17] <blackboxsw> I looped in a pdb session
[20:17] <blackboxsw> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25881811/
[20:17] <blackboxsw> it also is false for about 20 seconds
[20:17] <blackboxsw> then true
[20:17] <blackboxsw> which presumably is when the exit status becomes available to paramiko
[20:22] <smoser> blackboxsw: yeah, iwas looking at that too.
[20:22] <smoser> the examples of paramiko and sending data are not a lot.
[20:22] <smoser> just tried here doing a channel.shutdown(2)
[20:22] <smoser> http://docs.paramiko.org/en/2.3/api/channel.html
[20:22] <smoser> rather than shutdown_write()
[20:22] <smoser> and taht didnt help
[20:42] <smoser> blackboxsw: dropping remvoes the hang.
[20:43] <smoser> self.ssh(["sudo", "cat", "/etc/cloud/build.info"])
[20:43] <smoser>  ^^ slow ---- vv faster
[20:43] <smoser> self.ssh(["cat", "/etc/cloud/build.info"])
[20:45] <smoser> ok.
[20:45] <smoser> well... not paramiko fault
[20:45] <smoser> this hangs similarly
[20:45] <smoser> ssh ubuntu@localhost -p 37425 -i results.nocloud-kvm.d/id_rsa "cat /etc/passwd"
[20:46] <smoser> i really, really hate that feature in sudo
[20:51] <blackboxsw> geez right, it's sudo trying to hit resolve or something for the hostname?
[20:51] <rharper> yeah
[20:51] <rharper> you need the hostname in /etc/hosts or sudo barfs;
[20:52] <blackboxsw> so we could set the hostname in /etc/hosts
[20:52] <blackboxsw> yeah
[20:52] <rharper> or, set NOPASSWD in sudoers
[20:52] <smoser> ?
[20:52] <smoser> we do have nopassword for that user
[20:52] <rharper> ah, right, I guess it still does the lookup
[20:53] <rharper> looks like ALL would work
[20:53] <blackboxsw> ok in ip tools world (no netstat) how do I check what open ports I'm listening too
[20:55] <blackboxsw> I'm so used to netstat -ln
[20:55] <smoser> its such a non-feature
[20:55] <smoser> https://superuser.com/questions/429790/sudo-command-trying-to-search-for-hostname
[20:55] <smoser> that describes what it is and what is doing it.
[20:55] <rharper> hey, you want to share your sudoers file across your entire company
[20:55] <rharper> it needs to know which host it's on
[20:56] <blackboxsw> ss -l
[20:57] <smoser> im' not sure why, but
[20:57] <smoser>  'time host ubuntu'
[20:57] <smoser> that returns in 1 second on my system (where this is slow)
[20:57] <smoser> and 0.014 seconds on diglett
[20:57] <blackboxsw> dns search order?
[20:57] <smoser> which i think is basically the source of why it works fast on diglett
[20:58] <rharper> what does host -v show ?
[20:58] <rharper> that walks the dns search list here
[20:59] <rharper> with vpn, it rns through all of those domains in the list
[20:59] <rharper> all those domains have to say no before your caching nameserver can give up and let /etc/hosts respond IIUC
[20:59] <rharper> wow, localhost even has to do that with the "host" command
[21:01] <blackboxsw> so on artful I'm talking to systemd/resolved, what's diglett running again?
[21:01] <rharper> artful
[21:01] <blackboxsw> hmm ok
[21:01] <smoser> diglet is bionic
[21:01] <rharper> oh, when did we upgrade ?
[21:02] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1728616
[21:02] <smoser> looks like i did on 2017-10-30
[21:02] <smoser> :)
[21:02] <rharper> heh
[21:03] <smoser> we really should fix sudo
[21:03] <smoser> to not do a dns lookup if it doesnt need to
[21:13] <rharper> the claim is that it wants to, ifyou set the section to (ALL) for the hostname it won't do that
[21:13] <smoser> it doesnt claim that.
[21:13] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/32906
[21:13] <smoser> well, it doesnt fail
[21:14] <smoser> …yeah, sudo, it’s all very clever until someone loses an eye!
[21:14] <smoser> i like that :)
[21:14] <rharper> now, it appears are are using (ALL); so now I'm confused
[21:16] <rharper> https://www.sudo.ws/repos/sudo/rev/1e10105ade5b
[21:16] <rharper> fun stuff
[21:16] <rharper> sudo + PAM
[21:18] <smoser> well, acouple of options here.
[21:18] <smoser> a.) cloud-init can be set to write the  hostname to /etc/hosts
[21:18] <smoser> b.) we can just eat this once when we first run a command
[21:18] <smoser> but even then, 20 seconds is suck
[21:19] <smoser> c.) maybe this is sufficient, for nocloud we can just modify it pre-boot
[21:20] <smoser> also in these scenario..
[21:20] <smoser> we can be trickly.
[21:20] <smoser> for nocloud-kvm, if i add an 'ubuntu' to the *hosts* /etc/hosts
[21:20] <smoser> then qemu dns -> host resolv -> that entry
[21:20] <smoser> and magic fast
[21:21] <smoser> <IP_ADDRESS>   localhost ubuntu
[21:22] <blackboxsw> yeah I think I don't want to eat that 20 second cost even on setup
[21:22] <blackboxsw> that makes every test that much more costly
[21:23] <smoser> with that in place, on diglett
[21:23] <blackboxsw> I like being trickly
[21:23] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25882159/
[21:23] <blackboxsw> looks much better
[21:23] <smoser> ~ 0.06
[21:23] <blackboxsw> instead of 0.014 right?
[21:24] <smoser> oh. no. instead of something like a half a second it hink
[21:24] <blackboxsw> Ohh I was thinking you were talking time host ubuntu ... and 0.014 seconds on diglett
[21:25] <rharper> I'm +1 for writing ubuntu into hosts
[21:26] <rharper> oh, heh, I forgot we had something like this for m-i-c
[21:26] <blackboxsw> yeah, I think that's warranted given we know sudo's shortfall w.r.t. hostname lookup


[14:31] <scott-work> astraljava: will you be able to finish updating the ubiquitiy plugin and file the FFe?
[14:32] <scott-work> knome: this weekend i commit to getting the slideshow stuff reconciled, but that really isn't going to affect you i guess
[14:49] <len> scott-work, after playing with the beta for a bit, I have found that backdrop distracting. (the one with the extruded hex tiles, just to make sure I have the right one)
[14:50] <len> It is quite bright where it shows around the working window(s)
[14:52] <len> There have been a number of backdrops submitted, perhaps a darker one would be better. Or something with the busy-ness in the middle where the window would cover that part while working.
[14:57] <len> The login screen is nice though.
[15:01] <knome> scott-work, not really. just tell me when you've done the editing though so i can merge to the main branch :)
[15:18] <scott-work> len: i agree, but that was just to set _something_ for the time being
[15:22] <scott-work> len: this is the image that dick macinnis (who is working on our art) has submitted for the desktop wallpaper:  http://imagebin.org/201710
[15:23] <scott-work> i agree with a backdrop that is not busy or distracting
[15:42] <holstein> yeah... i always change it too
[15:42] <holstein> its a brand though
[15:42] <holstein> its brite
[15:42] <holstein> i think it might be doing a service branding wise
[15:43] <holstein> though... i would prefer something more subtle
[21:23] <astraljava> scott-work: I will, on Sunday. During the working week I'm too exhausted, the temp job is killing me.
[21:24] <len> scott-work, http://imagebin.org/201710 looks nicer though in parts very bright, but at least the transitions are slower and less distracting. I think the brightness levels of the backdrop can be adjusted if I remember right, so maybe a lower brightness would help.
[21:57] <scott-work> astraljava: i understand
[21:58] <scott-work> len: i would still like to work with macinnis to get closer to realizing my vision, but we certainly have this which i believe to be better (i.e. less distracting) than our outher existing wallpapers
[22:19] <len> Yup, much better.
[22:20] <scott-work> len: while i don't intend to make many changes to the panel, i really do want to change orage to make it a functional calender
[22:20] <len> The panel is broken, you need to at least remove the broken stuff
[22:21] <len> I just tried todays ISO and when I double click on the time orage came up just fine.
[22:22] <len> scott-work ... at least running live, the live session seems very true to the installed session.
[22:23] <len> I would replace one of the broken icons with xchat BTW ;-)
[22:25] <len> However, new kernel, Jack-rt need to get done.
[23:29] <len-1204> ScottL, I know you are not home yet, but thought I would expand on what I have found with orage.
[23:31] <len-1204> The advantage to staying with xfceclock is that from boot or login, orage is not running and taking up resources.
[23:32] <len-1204> Double clicking on the clock does start orage and a calendar apears on the desktop. However, closing orage does not stop it. ps shows it still running.
[23:34] <len-1204> I am not sure what happens once it starts and logout and login happens. It may then self start at next login.
[23:35] <len-1204> Also, once an appointment is set up, I would think orage has to be running in order to indicate to the user the start of an appointment.
[23:37] <len-1204> Replacing the clock with orage means that appointments will always work. Only one click is needed to show the calendar and another hides it again. The calendar then remembers what part of the screen you moved it to.
[23:38] <len-1204> I guess it remembers position anyways.


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[23:05] <blahdeblah> thumper: Time to require registration to join this channel?
[23:05] <thumper> blahdeblah: do you know the incantation?
[23:06] <blahdeblah> I think it's mode +r, but I'm a bit of an IRC gumby
[23:06] <blahdeblah> search of freenode.net should probably show the right way
[23:07] <thumper> found it
[23:07] <thumper> no idea if it worked
[23:08] <blahdeblah> I don't think so - normally we should see a channel mode change notification
[23:09] <thumper> according to the docs I'm doing it right
[23:09] <thumper> this->   /mode #juju-dev +R
[23:10] <thumper> changed it to just require a registered acct to talk
[23:10] <thumper> but not to join
[23:10] <thumper> I guess we'll see
[23:10] <blahdeblah> cool
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[23:15] <thumper> well that didn't work
[23:18] <thumper> was reading a different irc mode command


[07:47] <lool> Heya
[10:04] <lool> ogra: Should be ok to use aufs now; new meta seems to have landed
[10:30] <lool> StevenK: old post which I'm only unpiling now, but really worth checking out for you!  http://www.enricozini.org/2008/debtags/write-your-own-launcher.html
[10:30] <lool> StevenK: And /you/ have the GUI part  :-)
[10:45] <ogra> lool, lrm went in at 1am and i'm not sure they are all binary NEWed yet, but i'll kick off a fresh build and see :)
[10:58] <lool> ogra: Oh right, we need lrm as well
[10:58] <lool> Hmm some people manage to do some really impressive hildno themes; I wouldn't use them, but it's still impressive http://faceted.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/okuda_media_player.png http://faceted.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/okuda_home_photo.jpg
[13:22] <lool> amitk: Hmm checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:23] <lool> amitk: -Only detected 903888 of RAM (-mobile and the 8.04 MID image both find
[13:23] <lool> 2063196 kB correct amount of RAM).  On boot the kernel says (via dmesg): Warning only 896MB will be used. Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel.
[13:23] <lool> ogra: Good report on Q1U usage on the list
[13:23] <lool> (in above m-id)
[13:24] <lool> StevenK: Another person wanting single click launch :)
[13:25] <StevenK> lool: Tomorrow
[13:43] <amitk> lool: config mistake. Fixed in local tree. Will push with next update
[14:15] <ogra> lool, persia asked me on friday if we would like to have wubi support in the mobile images
[14:16]  * ogra just remembered that seeing the conversation in -devel
[14:16] <lool> ogra: I see no reason we wouldn't :)
[14:17] <ogra> well, then we need to add casper-lupin to the live set in the seeds
[14:17] <lool> amitk: Not sure you got, it there was a netsplit just after my line: 14:47 < lool> amitk: Yeah, that's what I guessed; thanks for the quick fix
[14:17] <ogra> the rest is up to the wubi mantainer
[14:17] <lool> k
[15:13] <Nanojit> Is bash completion working better in the latest isos?
[19:54] <ian_brasil_> a common comment is about the size of the bar on the left
[19:54] <ian_brasil_> in that it is too big
[19:55] <ogra> it only appres like :)
[19:55] <ogra> *appears
[19:55] <ogra> because the icons are so small
[19:55] <ogra> how wide would you like it instead ?
[19:56] <ogra> (its currently 80px)
[19:56] <ian_brasil_> well the text does not really serve much purpose as you cannot read it anyway
[19:56] <ogra> probably my thumb is to big :)
[19:56] <ian_brasil_> just the size of the icon ..maybe 50px
[19:56] <ogra> right, its still a first try image, fixes for that will show up in jaunty
[19:57] <ogra> top panel is 48px
[19:57] <ian_brasil_> maybe go with that
[19:57] <ogra> i'm currently trying it on 800x480
[19:57] <ian_brasil_> also tooltips when mouseover icon would be great
[19:57] <ogra> there the 80px are just perfect
[19:58] <ogra> yeah, agreed
[19:58] <ogra> we'll fix the wnck applet for jaunty to properly scale and have a gonf key to disable text
[19:58] <ogra> are there no tooltips ?
[19:58] <ogra> there should
[19:58] <ian_brasil_> ah, yes
[19:59] <ogra> on 800x480 the 80px are actually perfect though
[20:00] <ogra> i guess we need some code that applies different panel setups according to the screensize
[20:00] <ian_brasil_> yes, that would solve it...dunno how that would work with touch though
[20:01] <ogra> touchscreen setus are anyway on a per device base
[20:01] <ogra> *setups
[20:02] <ian_brasil_> also midbrowser is not the easiest to use..how does one go home for instance
[20:04]  * ian_brasil_ was certain there was a home icon in one midbrowser version
[20:05] <ogra> it is in the menu we cant show yet
[20:06] <ogra> midbrowser is built with the menu sitting in a hildon applet, we dont have any hildon stuff in -mobile
[21:11] <lool> 'night
[21:33] <ian_brasil_> just found a bug on an acer aspire 1 ..hibernate just knoks the wireless connection out and nothing else
[21:33] <ian_brasil_> s/knoks/knocks/g