[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Could a separate deb package drop a cloud-init DS in to .../cloudinit/sources/DataSourceFoo.py and have it work?
[13:54] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, it has to be listed in the config.
[13:54] <smoser> but other wise, yes.
[13:55] <smoser> there is actually also other packages that will be searched . other than 'sources'.
[13:58] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Right, dropping something in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d would do for "listed in the config"?
[13:59] <smoser> yeah.
[15:38] <smoser> rharper, around ?
[16:29] <rharper> smoser: here
[16:30] <smoser> pinged in #curtin
[16:58] <smoser> rharper, just looked and noticed that right in cloud-init we're rendering .link files and 70-persistent-name rules
[16:58] <smoser> which is kind of confusing
[16:59] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15553371/
[17:46] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/trunk.net-cleanups/+merge/290346
[17:46] <smoser> i'd appreciate your thoughts on that.
[18:17] <rharper> smoser: will review
[18:37] <smoser> rharper, thanks. i'm gonna run that through test on digglet and then upload
[18:45] <rharper> ok
[19:14] <Elyscape> hello! I have a question about userdata
[19:14] <Elyscape> if I have the same setting twice in the userdata, which takes precedence? the setting is an array (e.g. mounts:), does it get merged?
[19:28] <smoser> Elyscape, arrays truncate and replace. by default.
[19:29] <smoser> dictionaries merge more sanely.
[19:29] <Elyscape> good to know
[19:29] <Elyscape> thanks for your help!
[19:33] <Elyscape> oh, one other thing: cloud-init.org appears to be dead
[19:33] <smoser> Elyscape, thanks
[19:34] <smoser> rharper, how do i get cloud-init-test going ?
[19:34] <smoser> lost my history where i was just pushing up
[19:38] <rharper> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/+git/cloud-init-test
[19:38] <rharper> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15554581/
[19:38] <rharper> brb, getting kiddo
[19:38] <smoser> thanks
[19:43] <smoser> there was a nbd0 use hanging around and foobaring mount-image-callback
[20:00] <rharper> smoser: all good then /
[20:00] <rharper> ?
[20:00] <smoser> yea.


[09:54] <man-di> moin vi1
[09:54] <man-di> do you have knowlegde about tomcat?
[09:54] <vi1> hey man-di
[09:55] <vi1> somewhat
[09:55] <man-di> I'm currently looking into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423435
[09:55] <man-di> any idea how to disable the anonymous cipher?
[09:56] <vi1> sorry, no idea
[09:56] <man-di> np
[10:00] <vi1> man-di, maybe this one<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:05] <vi1> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/http.html
[10:06] <vi1> and also http://tomcat.apache.org/security-5.html mentions that this should be fixed in the future releases
[10:07] <man-di> yes, I saw all this
[10:07] <man-di> the problem is that I need to find the fix that fixed that issue to get it into Debian etch
[10:07] <man-di> I cant just package a new upstream
[10:08] <man-di> and the diff between 5.5.17 and 5.5.18 is very huge
[10:08] <man-di> and the for 5.0.x series there is no fixed version


[00:14] <binarymutant> he's baack *dumdumduummm*
[00:14] <binarymutant> ^ with lightning effects
[00:27] <binarymutant> wow a day after I said I didn't like lisp the creator died. Halloween spooky
[02:14] <Unit193> wrst: You know an autorejoin on kick for quassel?
[02:21] <wrst> uhh i think there is an option but not for sure?
[02:22] <wrst> well not finding it Unit193
[02:22] <Unit193> Thanks for checking
[02:26] <wrst> Unit193: there has to be something i'm missing
[02:29] <Unit193> wrst: Haven't used it enough
[02:29] <Unit193> average_guy: Welcome back
[11:12] <binarymutant> it's so early my eyeballs hurt.
[11:43] <wrst> ha ha binarymutant
[11:43] <wrst> wake up!
[13:27] <vychune> good morning\
[13:37] <wrst> morning vychune
[13:39] <vychune> whats up?
[13:40] <wrst> very littel you?
[13:43] <vychune> waiting on my friend to text me back\
[13:43] <vychune> :/
[13:43] <vychune> not much
[13:44] <wrst> hopefully you want be waiting for long
[13:49] <xpistos> morning all
[13:49] <xpistos> Capo!
[13:49] <wrst> morning xpistos
[13:55] <vychune> xpistos: o/
[14:59] <vychune> as usual BSID
[15:00] <vychune> *BSOD
[15:02] <wrst> nice vychune :\
[15:03] <vychune> a nice Bull S**T Over Dose to start the day
[15:03] <vychune> greatttttttttt
[15:08] <vychune> o/
[15:45] <vychune> *crickets*
[16:04] <xpistos_> I really need to figure out what is going on with that
[16:18] <wrst> yes you do xpistos_ it really annoys me :P
[16:28] <xpistos_> I could always kill quassel, that might fix the problem
[16:28] <wrst> looks like a network issu?
[16:28] <wrst> i rarely get those
[18:24] <chris4585> I really hate it when hardware ceases to work correctly in linux :|
[18:32] <cyberanger> chris4585: compared to windows, I like it, I hate failing hardware reguardless the software
[18:33] <chris4585> it just makes me want to bang my head and ask the question why does a outdated kernel support something but yet a updated kernel decides to stop supporting something?
[18:37] <cyberanger> an AGP graphics card or something a few era's back?
[18:37] <chris4585> no, ps3 eyetoy
[18:39] <cyberanger> really?!?
[18:40] <chris4585> yeah, in earlier releases of ubuntu it works just fine, mic and video, not just video works
[18:41] <chris4585> not=now
[19:12] <cyberanger> ouch
[20:16] <johnhaitas> so wrst cyberanger xpistos_ ... i forgot my bitlbee password
[20:16] <johnhaitas> any suggestions?
[20:16] <wrst> cyberanger: any suggestions ^^^ :)
[20:17] <wrst> johnhaitas: cyberanger got me into it so he has to provide support for life, i think that is correct?
[20:25] <xpistos_> I agree
[20:46] <xpistos_> alright peeps time to go home
[20:46] <xpistos_afk> Night everyone
[20:46] <Unit193> Good night (already?)
[20:48] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: your server?
[20:49] <xpistos_afk> yep when you start work at 7
[20:49] <cyberanger> xpistos_afk: still afternoon, your just a lucky .... umhm
[20:49] <xpistos_afk> well that too
[20:50]  * cyberanger would like to know who he has to kill for a stable job around here :-/
[20:52]  * cyberanger also wonders if buttering up somebody here would help
[20:54] <xpistos_afk> I could get you ajob where I work no problem
[20:54] <xpistos_afk> but
[20:54] <xpistos_afk> it is in Nashville
[20:55] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: lemme know when your back online, hopefully we both will be by then
[21:27] <binarymutant> gah work :(
[21:32] <cyberanger> what the mutant said ;-)
[22:02] <cyberanger> binarymutant: bad day?
[22:07] <binarymutant> no just exhausted
[22:07] <cyberanger> now that I understand
[22:07] <binarymutant> utterly & totally
[22:08]  * cyberanger hands binarymutant a cup of "rest" brand coffee
[22:09] <binarymutant> I've got my energy drink-but it isn't working
[22:10] <cyberanger> lol, my last energy drink worked too well
[22:11] <Unit193> Heh, yep ;)
[22:11] <cyberanger> 1.5 to 2 grams of caffine, so many issuees from that high a dose in a 15 minute window
[22:13] <binarymutant> lol, my caffine tolerance is too high
[22:13] <cyberanger> binarymutant: sounds like rest is what you really need (yes coming from the guy who's often up 40 hours at a time, I know I know)
[22:14] <binarymutant> thought about it, but if I go to sleep now I won't be able to sleep tonight
[22:14] <binarymutant> so must stay up
[22:14] <cyberanger> binarymutant: well, my tolerance is high to a point, doesn't handle getting firebombed into the system
[22:15] <cyberanger> arythmic & high heart beat
[22:15] <cyberanger> caffine jitters that are mistaken for a seizure
[22:15] <cyberanger> or nothing at all
[22:15] <binarymutant> http://aeroshots.com/
[22:19] <binarymutant> ^ I'd like to have some of that
[22:19] <cyberanger> ol
[22:19] <cyberanger> lol
[22:19] <Unit193> I have too much blood in my caffine system!!
[22:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: hahahah, thats good
[22:20] <binarymutant> rofl
[22:20] <Unit193> And maybe too true for some :P
[22:26] <binarymutant> I was just trying to use the '+' symbol in a google search, then opened my rss readers and BoingBoing just posted an article about how it no longer works
[22:26] <binarymutant> irony
[22:52] <chris4585> binarymutant, lol thats how it goes


 Eksdom is comming to blow our candels out
[05:31] <Kilos> here they are working on the lines. putting underground to houses
[05:32] <Kilos> so its the whole day off everytime
[05:34] <Kilos> i forget who was learning python, here is another link http://python.p2pu.org/en/
[05:50] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[05:51] <Kilos> wb jacques_
[05:51] <Kilos> stry nie vandag nie sien ek
[05:51] <MaNI> hi
[05:51] <jacques_> haha
[05:52] <Kilos> ok i gotta go, cheers all
[05:52] <Kilos> uh oh
[05:52] <Kilos> have a great day
[06:01] <magespawn> might be a good way to relax a bit, with no computer or electricity for a whole day
[06:13] <Jacques_StrY> Sounds peacefull
[06:14] <Jacques_StrY> peaceful*
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:33] <Jacques_StrY> Welcome back Kilos
[07:33] <Kilos> ty Jacques_StrY  they either forgot or are on strike
[07:34] <Jacques_StrY> :)
[07:34] <Kilos> i see in my mobilebroadband we must prepare for 12 hours of no power at a time now
[07:35] <Jacques_StrY> ???
[07:35] <Kilos> can someone here speak french?
[07:36] <Kilos> http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=465&m=480&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=10657&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/124657-prepare-for-power-load-shedding-which-could-last-12-hours.html
[07:36] <Kilos> oh mybroadband
[07:37] <MaNI> I should really sort my solar backup plans out
[07:39] <MaNI> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-Shipping-Z3-ATX-160-160W-high-power-24pin-mini-ITX-DC-ATX-power-supply-with/211500_729581097.html < anyone know a local place that sells things like that?
[07:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:58] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:58] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[07:58] <Kilos> gaanit?
[07:58] <pieter2627> goed dankie, self?
[07:58] <Kilos> goed dankie
[08:00] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:17] <Jacques_StrY> MaNI: http://goo.gl/NNjWHC
[08:18] <Kilos> pieter2627  one comment fron the council
[08:18] <Kilos> I see no problems or concerns with this site, everything looks great to me.
[08:19] <MaNI> Jacques_StrY, nice thanks
[08:19] <MaNI> 160W maybe just too low, hmm
[08:20] <Jacques_StrY> Yea a bot low
[08:20] <Jacques_StrY> bit*
[08:23] <Jacques_StrY> and that only works with itx boards - no extra 4pin power connecter
[08:23] <Jacques_StrY> connector*
[08:23] <Jacques_StrY> sigh...
[08:25] <pieter2627> Kilos: oky, imo the line up of the button look nice though
[08:26] <Kilos> yeah it was just one guys um
[08:26] <Kilos> er
[08:26] <Kilos> opinion
[08:27] <MaNI> Jacques_StrY, yeah, sucks how limited we are locally sometimes, forever finding little things I want that can't be bought easily here
[08:59] <Squirm> Morning
[08:59] <Squirm> Does anyone know what papers I need to register my car in a different province?
[09:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:01] <Kilos> see if you can find anything on your local testing grounds online
[09:01] <Squirm> I've tried
[09:02] <Kilos> they keep all papers in hardcopy but not sure abnout online
[09:02] <Kilos> oh my
[09:02] <Squirm> No, I mean
[09:02] <Squirm> what documents
[09:02] <Squirm> Do I need to take my Natis
[09:02] <Kilos> whats that?
[09:02] <Squirm> logbook
[09:02] <Kilos> oh yes
[09:03] <Squirm> Because the bank has mine :/
[09:03] <Squirm> Crap
[09:03] <Kilos> years agon you took your vehicle registration papers to the new peeps
[09:03] <Kilos> the paper they send you for renewal of licence should do
[09:04] <Kilos> all your info is on there so you should just need id with that
[09:04] <Squirm> On where?
[09:04] <Kilos> unless everything has changed now too
[09:05] <Squirm> I basically need to renew my license and get CA plates
[09:05] <Kilos> you know the paper you cut out the licence
[09:05] <Kilos> that has engine and registration info on it iirc
[09:06] <Kilos> maybe i keep quiet, its been years since i did it
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: give them a call on<PHONE_NUMBER> they are generally quite clued up
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> or go pay them a visit: http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/Vehiclelicensing/Pages/Vehicleregistrationoffices2.aspx
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> once you've got all that sorted, you can also renew your car licence online every year
[09:11] <Squirm> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, awesome!
[09:11]  * Squirm falls in love with Cape Town
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> also might want to bookmark this one: https://www.capetown.gov.za/en/ServiceRequests/Pages/default.aspx
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> and this one too: https://www.capetown.gov.za/en/contact/Pages/default.aspx
[09:16] <Squirm> Sorted
[09:16] <Squirm> Just need ID and Proof of Address
[09:16] <Kilos> cool
[09:16] <Squirm> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, much appreciated
[09:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> no problem :)
[09:57]  * magespawn wonders if there are sites like that for the rest of the country
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> not until the DA is voted in :-p
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm sure there are, but whether they are as effective is another issue
[10:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> I reported a burst water main one sunday evening around 9 and the truck was there 15 minutes later
[10:11] <MaNI> yeah they are generally quite responsive
[10:11] <MaNI> can get car licensing sorted out in person without feeling like the people on the other end of the counter hate you etc.
[10:12] <Kilos> lol
[10:12] <MaNI> lots of room for improvement, especially the building plan people, but functional at least
[10:19] <magespawn> i am out of here for now
[10:19] <magespawn> chat later
[10:19] <Jacques_StrY> cheers
[10:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:33] <Jacques_StrY> ???
[10:35] <Kilos> these peeps that disappear at lunch time
[10:43] <Jacques_StrY> Eating lunch in front of my pc...
[10:43] <Kilos> best place
[10:43] <Kilos> dont mess on the keyboard
[10:43] <Jacques_StrY> haha no i'm a pro by now
[10:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:44] <Kilos> did you see the link william left in list mail?
[10:44] <Jacques_StrY> no...
[10:44] <Jacques_StrY> what link
[10:44] <Kilos> ill get it
[10:45] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_idpAV8YcQ&feature=youtu.be
[10:46] <Jacques_StrY> Ooh! Looks better than the one I tested, must be a newer version
[10:47] <Kilos> if they make it so it doesnt need a dedicated server that could help
[10:48] <Kilos> shame he has been trying for months now
[10:49] <Jacques_StrY> Would be awesome if I could get the source
[10:49] <Jacques_StrY> to try installing it
[10:49] <Kilos> havent they got a forums
[10:49] <Kilos> i cant get into that as well ill go mad
[10:50] <Jacques_StrY> Found it
[10:50] <Jacques_StrY> But seems you still need a dedicated server
[10:50] <Kilos> cool
[10:50] <Kilos> eish
[10:51] <Kilos> then he will have to get his friend in pennington to host it
[10:51] <Jacques_StrY> install is at least fully-automated apt install with proper repository
[10:51] <Kilos> cool
[10:51] <Jacques_StrY> will test it tonight but should work easily then
[10:52] <Kilos> ok keep william informed please, im sure he thinks everyone has given up on it
[10:52] <Jacques_StrY> :) Will do
[10:52] <Kilos> :D
[10:53] <Kilos> see thats my other job
[10:53] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[10:53] <Kilos> make sure everyone is working their butts off but with a smile on the face
[10:54] <Jacques_StrY> I see they still use that wierd SQL
[10:55] <Kilos> i dunno bout that or mysql
[10:55] <Kilos> pc decides wha it want to use
[10:56] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  hows you
[10:57] <Kilos> have you joined out list yet?
[10:58] <Kilos> s/out/our
[10:58] <Kilos> mailing list that is
[10:58] <Kilos> and also ubuntu za on launchpad
[10:59] <Kilos> ask inetpro  for the link
[11:29] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[11:29] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is lunch?
[11:44] <Kilos> the tummy filling process that gets you through the afternoon with ease
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds unfamiliar :p
[11:47] <Kilos> aw shame
[11:48] <Kilos> you nibble on the go?
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i'm more a breakfast and supper person
[11:48] <Kilos> and coffee of course
[11:48] <Kilos> ok
[11:48] <Kilos> no coffee either?
[11:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> water
[11:49] <Kilos> whew
[11:50] <Kilos> my days would be long without coffee and tea
[11:50] <Kilos> and a sarmy here and there
[13:22] <Jacques_StrY> Cheers, chat later
[14:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:05] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[14:06] <kulelu88> o/
[15:00] <Kilos> aw jacques is gone
[15:13] <Kilos> wb Trixar_za  you been gone a long time
[15:13] <Kilos> you missed all the fun
[15:14] <Trixar_za> Which fun woudl that be?
[15:14] <Trixar_za> would*
[15:14] <Kilos> we launched a new site
[15:14] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info
[15:14] <Kilos> hit refresh a few times on first page and watch
[15:15] <Kilos> we as in the site building team of ubuntu-za
[15:16] <Kilos> not me im an onlooker of note
[16:00] <Kilos> hi Arcanum_za
[16:01] <Kilos> oh its you trix
[16:01] <Trixar_za> Thanks :P
[16:02] <Kilos> lol you just confussing me
[16:02] <Kilos> weve had so many new peeps im ready to welcome anyone i dont remember
[16:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:36] <Kilos> at least hibana shows when he is afk
[16:39] <Kilos> inetpro  is there any reason/excuse for for usings that dindins thing
[17:50] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:15] <captine> evening all
[18:15] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:15] <Kilos> hows you?
[18:29] <inetpro> .
[18:29] <Kilos> >>
[18:29] <Kilos> ai!
[18:29] <Kilos> ..
[18:30] <Kilos> MaNI  whats happening with your connection
[18:30] <inetpro> ohi Kilos
[18:30] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[18:31]  * inetpro dog-tired
[18:31] <Kilos>  inetpro  is there any reason/excuse for me usings that dindins thing
[18:31] <inetpro> dindind?
[18:31] <Kilos> then you must sleep early ballie
[18:31] <inetpro> dindins?
[18:31] <Kilos> dyndns
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: why would you want it?
[18:32] <Kilos> im asking you
[18:32] <inetpro> why asking?
[18:32] <Kilos> dont answer a question with a question
[18:33] <inetpro> what makes you think that you would need it?
[18:33] <Kilos> im asking you is there a reason i could need it
[18:33] <inetpro> many
[18:33] <Kilos> ai!
[18:34] <Kilos> name them
[18:35] <Private_User> guys, I was just curious, how do hotels setup all the DSTV channels on each channel in each room? For us we would have to buy the decoder and change the channels via the decoder but at hotels I noticed they have it setup where one would just change the channels on the TV so wondering how they do that?
[18:35] <Private_User> I tried searching on the net but not sure what to search for cause I do not find what I am looking for?
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: there are many reasons why you could use it but I don't think there's one good reason why you should use it
[18:38] <Kilos> ok ty inetpro  ill close that tap then
[18:38] <Kilos> opera will be happy
[18:38] <inetpro> ai!
[18:38] <Kilos> lol what now
[18:38] <inetpro> you had an open tap?
[18:38] <Kilos> yes for a week now
[18:38] <Kilos> i been busy
[18:38]  * inetpro shakes his head
[18:38] <Kilos> Private_User  hand a bit plse
[18:39] <Kilos> hang
[18:39] <Private_User> lol ok Kilos, I will hand and hang a bit
[18:39] <Private_User> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:41] <Kilos> start here https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmybroadband.co.za%2Fvb%2Fshowthread.php%2F315993-DSTV-in-Guesthouses&ei=Kes3VcPrAaKR7AaHhoGgDA&usg=AFQjCNGtIqRgbimB2SuegXwn0iT9uSUi2w&sig2=_vQC9IKVt4D58ri5YYw65w&bvm=bv.91071109,d.ZGU
[18:41] <Kilos> whew
[18:42] <Kilos> Private_User  ^^
[18:43] <Kilos> or here http://is.gd/N5BCuQ
[18:43] <captine> Kilos, sorry, neighbour popped in.  Am good thanks
[18:43] <Kilos> good captine
[18:43] <captine> so all, whats the safest way to remove unity and replace it with gnome 3?
[18:43] <captine> on 14.04
[18:44] <captine> want to try something different
[18:44] <Kilos> just install gnome3
[18:44] <Kilos> then choose at boot
[18:45] <captine> doesnt it break things if both are installed?
[18:45] <captine> (unity and gnome)
[18:45] <Kilos> when you get to where you ener password there is a tiny thing top right that lets you choose
[18:45] <Kilos> if it will break things in wont install
[18:46] <captine> ok.  I thought I read that, esp if you use the gnome PPA, it will change some libraries or something and break things...
[18:46] <captine> will give it a shot soon
[18:46] <Kilos> you could install it with aptitude to make sure
[18:46] <Kilos> aptitude will give options
[18:46] <Kilos> if there could be a prob
[18:48] <superfly> install the gnome-desktop package
[18:48] <superfly> it's supposed to be part of the repos
[18:49] <Kilos> there you go
[18:49] <superfly> hrm, maybe not on 14.04 though
[18:49] <Kilos> ty superfly
[18:49] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, its what I found as well but getting 100% how they do it. I worked for a company where they had TVs in each building where at the back of the TV a what looked like a normal antenna cable was plugged into the TV then you did a search on the tv and it picked up the DSTV channels sort of like how we used to search when the only channels we had were the SABC Channels using a UHF/VHF ariel
[18:51] <Kilos> whew Private_User  thats beyond me
[18:51] <Private_User> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> do you want to run a hotel now
[18:53] <kulelu88> Private_User: they must have been broadcasting from 1 decoder across a local frequency
[18:53] <Private_User> yeah I was just curious how they did I always wondered but today a friend of min is staying at a hotel so the thought came back to me and was wondering if it can be setup at home so we pay for one subscription without needing extra view and dual view and PVR
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <superfly> Private_User: they probably pay a special exhorbitant rate to do that
[18:54] <kulelu88> Possible, yes. You could even do it via streaming
[18:54] <Private_User> yeah sounds like that could be it kulelu88 but what hardware will be needed?
[18:54] <superfly> Private_User: which would make the extra view/ dual view look like pocket change
[18:54] <Private_User> lol superfly
[18:55] <kulelu88> Well as long as nobody who works for SAPS is here, I'm thinking ...
[18:55] <kulelu88> decoder
[18:55] <kulelu88> some type of streaming device
[18:55] <Private_User> thats what I wanna avoid paying and more money per month
[18:55] <kulelu88> antenna
[18:55] <kulelu88> and receiving antennae
[18:58] <Private_User> if we can figure that out then it would be lekker then we can get OpenView HD, DSTV and that other one which used to be TOPTV and also a FTA receiver to receive all the FTA channels then instead of changing from AV1 to AV2 or HDMI1 to HDMI 2 for each decoder everything will be on the tv then we just select the tv channels
[18:58] <Kilos> whew when are you going to work
[18:58] <Private_User> or even better if I install a Tuner card or something on the PC/Laptop then I can watch it on my laptop like that
[18:59] <kulelu88> I think having DStv alone would suffice. isn't openview where ETV plays all their Segal movies from 1999?
[18:59] <Private_User> lol @ kulelu88
[18:59] <kulelu88> kwaai movies some of them
[19:00] <Private_User> lol Kilos, I try to work everyday
[19:00] <Private_User> hehe
[19:00] <Kilos> ya but not once you sort all this tv stuff
[19:01] <Private_User> oh well I will find out eventually but optimal setup is to have them setup on my laptop... hmm... this gets me thinking is there any Free Open Source software out there to receive channels so I can just connect a satellite to the computer and pick everything up for free maybe the software can decode it for me
[19:02] <Private_User> cause paying to watch the same thing over and over again seems like a waste of money in my opinion rather spend the money on broadband
[19:03] <Private_User> and even that is too expensive at the moment but what can we do
[19:04] <Private_User> hence the reason for looking for alternative solutions like above
[19:04] <kulelu88> where do you live? Priva
[19:04] <kulelu88> Private_User:
[19:05] <Private_User> South Africa
[19:05] <Private_User> lol
[19:05] <Private_User> you wanted precise location kulelu88
[19:05] <kulelu88> tis be ubuntu ZA, we're all from SA :/
[19:05] <Private_User> LOL
[19:05] <Private_User> I know
[19:05] <Private_User> KZN
[19:06] <Kilos> haha think again
[19:06] <kulelu88> dirtbin or Ballito <3 ??
[19:06] <Private_User> oh yeah there are a few ex pats here hey Kilos and they not living in SA
[19:07] <Kilos> and a buntu member from the staes i think
[19:07] <Kilos> states
[19:07] <kulelu88> Muricans
[19:07] <Private_User> no kulelu88, dirtbin I think is a very unhygenic place to live
[19:07] <Private_User> lol
[19:08] <kulelu88> radiation wise, it's the safest to live
[19:08] <Private_User> but I am not far from Balito, Balito is like right next door to me
[19:08] <Private_User> lol @ kulelu88
[19:09] <kulelu88> ahh you're just the guy who can tell me about life in the dolphin coast.
[19:09] <Private_User> 10 min drive and I am in Balito
[19:09] <kulelu88> is jy n oom of a rugby player?
[19:09] <Private_User> 20 to 30 min drive and I am in Durban central
[19:09] <Private_User> depending on traffic
[19:10] <Private_User> kulelu88: we have the beach here, need I say more... LOL
[19:11] <kulelu88> but how is life there. Can I surf in July? Is there a lot of outdoor activities? Is it a retirement village for old people?
[19:11] <Private_User> yesterday when I decided to take a break I went and sat at the Beach
[19:11] <Private_User> yeah you can Surf dude in July
[19:11] <kulelu88> how old are you? Private_User
[19:12] <Private_User> if I remember correctly I think in July is when they used to have the surfing competitions in Durban, cannot remember do they still do that?
[19:12] <kulelu88> searching says the Mr Price surf event is now in Ballito
[19:12] <Private_User> lots of outdoor activities as well
[19:13] <Private_User> but Balito is becoming an expensive place to live
[19:13] <kulelu88> yeah. 40m^2 flat in an estate is R5000
[19:14] <Private_User> yeah and people say cost of living on JHB is expensive, I disagree
[19:15] <kulelu88> JHB is cheaper rental wise (cause there's more housing)
[19:15] <Private_User> yeah but I think its more or less the same depending where you live but here because we at the coast its a bit more pricey because of the Sea I think
[19:16] <kulelu88> I'm guessing you stay north of Ballito?
[19:16] <Private_User> South, North of Durban place called Tongaat
[19:17] <Private_User> I stay on a farm at the moment
[19:17] <kulelu88> you a indian bloke?
[19:17] <Private_User> where are you @?
[19:18] <Private_User> does it make a difference dude?
[19:18] <kulelu88> PTA
[19:18] <Private_User> this is the New South Africa we all South Africans
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah indians make better curry
[19:18] <Private_User> HAHAHA
[19:18] <kulelu88> no not really. I'm just following the Home Affairs principle of classifying you racially B-)
[19:18] <Private_User> LOL
[19:18] <kulelu88> Kilos: hows your GF?
[19:19] <Kilos> which one
[19:19] <kulelu88> from facebook
[19:19] <Kilos> getting old
[19:20] <Private_User> the issue now is that there are so many people from other countries here if we say we are Indian/Asian/African now people gonna think we from those other countries then the Xenophobia people will come to attack
[19:20] <Private_User> lol
[19:20] <Private_User> some of the Chinese shops in Durban were attacked by Xenophobia
[19:21] <kulelu88> I dont think the okes here care much for politics or issues in SA. We all universally accept that its a kak country
[19:21] <Private_User> so they now are done with African foreigners and moving on to people from other parts of the world, SAD
[19:22] <Private_User> oh well, for now let me go eat and BBL
[19:23] <Private_User> btw kulelu88, what did the previous regime classify you as? You can guess what they classified me as
[19:24] <kulelu88> chinese?
[19:25] <Private_User> your nick and place of residence is confusing me so honestly I doubt I can guess what they classified you as but then again I never care too much about those things cause I never see it until its actually mentioned
[19:25] <Private_User> ok be back in a bit time for dinner
[19:26] <Private_User> late dinner
[19:26] <kulelu88> enjoy
[19:26] <Private_User> hehe
[19:31] <Kilos> kulelu88  what you doing investigating my fb
[19:31] <Kilos> that was long back info i put there
[19:31] <kulelu88> you confused Kilos . I'm talking about that chick I showed you yesrday.
[19:32] <Kilos> i didnt look
[19:33] <Kilos> so yes i was confused
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro  gaan slaap man
[19:37] <Kilos> superfly  did you notice the council are happy with the site
[19:37] <Kilos> ive filled in another form with canonical and if they again dont answer for 2 weeks ill just forget about it
[19:38] <superfly> Kilos: ya, but you need to talk to canonical
[19:38] <superfly> yeah, that's fine. put the ball in their court
[19:38] <Kilos> i dont know how to chat direct
[19:39] <Kilos> its only the legal department that we need to clear with
[19:39] <Kilos> the council with mark it are happy
[19:39] <Kilos> on it
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe he even mailed me and asked where the url was
[19:46] <superfly> ah, OK, then I think we're in the clear
[19:46] <captine> (unity and gnome)so.  anyone had issues with wifi strength on intel centrino wifi and ubuntu
[19:46] <captine> windows seems to have a stronger signal
[19:47] <Kilos> windows is just lying to you with false info
[19:57] <captine> lol
[20:01] <smile> Hi :)
[20:01] <Kilos> hi smile
[20:02] <smile> Still having problems with freezing pc
[20:02] <smile> :-(
[20:02] <Kilos> eish
[20:03] <smile> Power save will go off starting tomorrow
[20:03] <smile> I hope thats the solution
[20:03] <Kilos> what OS you using?
[20:04] <Kilos> does it freeze when hibernating
[20:06] <smile> Its a family pc running Windows.. The other pc runs Linux Mint
[20:06] <Kilos> oh then there is  a quick cure
[20:06] <Kilos> boot from ubuntu dvd and choose delete and use whole drive'
[20:07]  * Kilos ducks
[20:07] <smile> Not sure, I doubt its a software issue
[20:07] <smile> And Kilos then I would lose my data partition too
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <Kilos> why do you think i ducked
[20:08] <smile> Probably my family wont like it, lol
[20:08] <smile> :-P
[20:08] <Kilos> turn of the hibernate function too
[20:08] <smile> You were afraid
[20:08] <smile> :-P
[20:08] <Kilos> ya i thought you would fight me and im only small
[20:09] <smile> Lol :)
[20:14] <smile> Its hard to change operating systems for my family, they all use windows specific software. Some runs on wine, some not
[20:14] <smile> Its just unrealistic
[20:14] <Kilos> ya then just find whats causing it to hang
[20:15] <smile> First I thought sata connection, but the old one has the same problem
[20:15] <Kilos> as you say power saving first then hibernate then look further
[20:15] <Kilos> oh a desktop pc?
[20:16] <smile> Then power cable, but its fine as far as I can see
[20:16] <smile> Yeah
[20:16] <Kilos> have you got a spare psu?
[20:16] <smile> So now I will look at my last options
[20:17] <smile> Nope. :-P
[20:17] <Kilos> ai!
[20:17] <Kilos> how much dust is on the cpu cooler
[20:18] <Kilos> and back of psu by fan
[20:19] <smile> All fine. Booting from hard disk worked, its just the ssd
[20:19] <Kilos> ah
[20:19] <Kilos> move the sata to another socket
[20:22] <smile> It always worked from sata port 1. Port 3 works also. Its not the sata
[20:23] <Kilos> well if the hdd works then it must be the OS or the ssd
[20:23] <Kilos> so you can try a backup then reinstall
[20:24] <Kilos> or move the ssd to another pc
[20:25] <smile> Its a new install. :)
[20:25] <Kilos> ai!
[20:25] <smile> That last thing is an option, yes, thanks :)
[20:26] <Kilos> you have to check piece by piece till you pinpoint the trouble part
[20:26] <Kilos> there is a saying for that
[20:26] <Kilos> i forget
[20:26] <smile> Dont worry :)
[20:28] <Kilos> process of elimination
[20:29] <Kilos> or something like that
[20:29] <Kilos> easiest is move ssd to another pc and if that freezes you have your prob
[20:30] <smile> Yeah
[20:32] <smile> I wont be thanked though
[20:32] <smile> :-P
[20:33] <Kilos> just find the prob first
[20:33] <Kilos> if its the ssd it could be a bad install
[20:33] <Kilos> have you run chkdsk
[20:33] <smile> It works great.. :-P
[20:34] <smile> Yes, all fine
[20:34] <Kilos> yes they are fast
[20:34] <Kilos> ok then you have no choice
[20:34] <Kilos> only for a day to find the prob thats all
[20:37] <smile> I can put a live session of ubuntu on the faulty pc while the ssd is out, so we have at least one pc
[20:37] <Kilos> family cant be happy with the freezing
[20:37] <Kilos> where is the hdd that was in there before the ssd
[20:38] <superfly> I gave some friends a live CD to use in their computer while I got hold of a Windows CD for reinstalling... they didn't once have an issue with the PC while using Linux. Put Windows back on and the original problems appeared again. And yet they refused to load Linux
[20:39] <superfly> as jy dom is, is jy dom, hey Kilos?
[20:39] <smile> Its still alive but without bootable operating system because I removed grub
[20:39] <Kilos> hahaha peeps are so funy
[20:39] <Kilos> funny
[20:39] <Kilos> ek stem
[20:39] <superfly> Kilos is not dom
[20:40] <Kilos> not that dom anyway
[20:40] <superfly> you're not dom at all
[20:40] <superfly> slow at times, yes, but not stupid
[20:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:42] <Kilos> sounds like you trying to convince me
[20:42] <Kilos> hows the family superfly
[20:43] <superfly> doing fine
[20:43] <Kilos> great
[20:51] <melodie> hi
[20:51] <Kilos> hi melodie
[20:51] <Kilos> nice to see you back here
[20:51] <melodie> hi Kilos o/
[20:51] <melodie> thanks for the greetings
[20:52] <Kilos> the guys said hi to you last night but you stayed quiet
[20:52] <Kilos> maybe got lost somewhere
[20:53] <Kilos> kulelu88  melodie  is in the south of france
[20:53] <Kilos> say hi superfly
[20:54] <Kilos> melodie  superfly is the brain behind our sites
[20:55] <superfly> more like the fingers
[20:55] <Kilos> haha
[20:56] <melodie> hi superfly
[20:56] <kulelu88> bonjour melodie
[20:56] <superfly> hi melodie
[20:56] <kulelu88> jini se qwa
[20:56] <melodie> Kilos next month I'll be teaching the director of a non for profit association : he needs to learn the basics in Linux administration.
[20:56] <melodie> the contract is made
[20:56] <melodie> his non for profit operates in countries in Africa to help the people
[20:57] <melodie> digging wells and else, that kind if thing
[20:57] <melodie> salut kulelu88
[20:57] <melodie> hi superfly
[20:57] <melodie> Kilos I don't know where they work though, I'll discover. they have 5 machines running Linux Mint, Ubuntu Edition (Mate)
[20:58] <Kilos> ok
[21:00] <Kilos> melodie  where are you going to teach
[21:00] <melodie> I will probably present Bento so they can bring Bento to Africa as well, and also Malinux, which is especially dedicated to Mali (teachers in high schools and universities)
[21:00] <melodie> Kilos in my area, about 1 and half hour drive
[21:00] <Kilos> nice
[21:00] <melodie> they have their main office in Toulouse, and their work office in the countrysdie
[21:00] <melodie> contryside
[21:01] <melodie> sorry fingers mixed XD
[21:02] <Kilos> lol
[21:02] <Kilos> how long are you going to teach for?
[21:03] <superfly> KDE Connect FTW
[21:03] <Kilos> superfly  ?
[21:04] <superfly> Kilos: it's an app for your Android and a widget thing for your KDE desktop, which allows you to trasfer files and do a few other things
[21:04] <Kilos> aha
[21:12] <Kilos> melodie  teach them irc as well and give them the ubuntu-africa.info link and irx #ubuntu-africa
[21:14] <Private_User> back
[21:15] <Kilos> irc
[21:16] <melodie> Kilos if we have time, will do. 2 days is a bit short to put everthing into the course
[21:16] <Kilos> wow
[21:17] <melodie> Kilos how long : 4 half days (3 hours each with half an hour break in the middle)
[21:17] <Kilos> have they any linux background already?
[21:20] <Kilos> and melodie are you going to give support later
[21:21] <Kilos> you can use #ubuntu-africa if you like
[21:21] <melodie> Kilos do you know I have my own chan?
[21:21] <melodie> :D
[21:21] <melodie> #linuxvillage
[21:22] <melodie> but thanks
[21:22] <Kilos> oh yes
[21:22] <melodie> I will certainly provide support later if requested
[21:31] <Kilos> i need to sleep. night all, sleep tight
[21:37] <melodie> what makes #ubuntu-africa and #ubuntu-za different?
[21:58] <kulelu88> the name melodie
[21:58] <melodie> kulelu88 lol
[21:59] <kulelu88> actually, nothing happens in ubuntu africa
[22:01] <melodie> do you want to test Bento ? (Ubuntu Openbox Remix) ?
[22:02] <kulelu88> Bentobox?
[22:04] <melodie> nice name
[22:04] <melodie> Bento is a japonese word for lunch box
[22:04] <melodie> so the name box is already in Bento
[22:04] <melodie> Bentobox would mean lunch box box
[22:04] <melodie> :D
[22:04] <kulelu88> why does bentobox ring a bell :/
[22:05] <melodie> let's check on the internet?
[22:06] <kulelu88> this is why: https://www.bento.io/
[22:07] <melodie> http://www.black-blum.fr/products/bento-box/
[22:07] <melodie> oh?
[22:07] <melodie> this is bento (io) not bentobox
[22:08] <kulelu88> yeah
[22:09] <kulelu88> aah if you search for bento box you'll see why. it's called that by many companies
[22:10] <melodie> we will name "Bento" either bentovillage, or bentolinux
[22:10] <melodie> probably bentolinux I think
[22:11] <melodie> what would you say?
[22:11] <melodie> here is a summary, by the way,  http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php/topic,701.0.html
[22:12] <kulelu88> bentolinux sounds nicer
[22:13] <melodie> kulelu88 thanks
[22:13] <kulelu88> although I'm not sure why you guys are making another distro
[22:14] <melodie> oh does anyone here need a domain name ? I have won several at gandi.net while they were celebrating their 15th birthday. I can give away promo codes for .xyz and .me as I have several, and also one .info for 1 euro
[22:14] <melodie> and 2 .websites
[22:14] <melodie> kulelu88 lighter while elegant and easy to go
[22:14] <melodie> I started in 2009 with PCLinuxOS
[22:14] <melodie> until 2012
[22:15] <melodie> then in 2012 I wanted it to be supported by a stronger basis (teams, packages and so on)
[22:16] <kulelu88> i'll take a .me
[22:16] <melodie> so I reproduced the method in Ubuntu and adapted it, while working to get some packages into the repos. openbox-menu and obsession are now in the Debian repositories, which means they are available in Ubuntu as well
[22:16] <melodie> give me your mail address and I forward you a promo code
[22:16] <kulelu88> so I get the .me for free?
[22:16] <melodie> you also need to be registered at http://gandi.net to buy your domain and once you are about to pay to enter the promo code and then the bill is 0 euro
[22:17] <melodie> you will have it for free for one year
[22:17] <kulelu88> but they take my card details?
[22:17] <melodie> I am not sure what your question is, but come to #gandi and you ask
[22:17] <melodie> here on freenode too
[22:18] <kulelu88> melodie: they don't bill me, but in order to buy the domain, they take my purchase details?
[22:18] <melodie> I don't remember that part
[22:18] <melodie> just come at #gandi and we ask, they all talk English there
[22:18] <melodie> and some French too :)
[22:42] <melodie> bonne nuit - good night
[23:08] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for mentioning KDE Connect!
[23:09] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos and this is what happens if I go sleep early... sleep patterns messed up now
[23:09] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[23:12] <inetpro> wb DalekSec
[23:13] <DalekSec> Thanks.
[23:14] <kulelu88> watch some series inetpro
[23:15] <inetpro> kulelu88: lol
[23:15] <kulelu88> im serious
[23:15] <kulelu88> what you watch currently?
[23:15]  * inetpro I'll go sleep now
[23:15] <inetpro> just had to run updates with midnight data


[06:05] <Salt> valorie, I know, thought I'd see ya!
[06:06] <valorie> I was on the road, meeting or schlepping my husband on the last of his PCT trip
[06:07] <valorie> he skipped the section closed by fire close to Lake Chelan
[14:39] <Salt> gotcha


[08:05] <micahg> hi dpm
[08:05] <dpm> hey micahg
[08:05] <micahg> I had to revert the brunei translation since it wasn't utf8
[08:06] <micahg> dpm: did you do thunderbird also to just firefox?
[08:07] <dpm> micahg, ah, ok, thanks for the info, I'll tell translators to look into it, although I guess it might be to late to include it even if they fix it. I did TB as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop
[08:07] <micahg> luckily I know what Hebrew is :)
[08:08] <dpm> Yeah, I was going to say that they are missing the code, but it is pretty evident which language it is :-)
[08:08] <micahg> dpm: well, not if one doesn't know Hebrew, I just happen to know it :)
[08:08] <dpm> ah, cool :)
[08:08]  * micahg tries to get TB in before freeze
[08:09] <dpm> awesome, thanks micahg
[08:09] <micahg> dpm: np
[08:16] <micahg> dpm: which editor can I use to see the languages properly?
[08:18] <micahg> Isn't gl Galecian?
[08:19] <dpm> micahg, gl is Galician, they just copied the comment from Croatian :)
[08:19] <micahg> dpm: k, thought so :)
[08:20] <dpm> micahg, what do you mean which editor? Does gedit not display the characters properly?
[08:20]  * micahg was trying vim/gvim
[08:20]  * micahg tries gedit
[08:20]  * micahg needs to install gedit :)
[08:21] <micahg> abiword doesn't work
[08:22] <micahg> dpm: no, maybe I need a UTF-8 locale set
[08:23] <micahg> no dice
[08:23]  * micahg tries in the Hebrew locale
[08:26] <micahg> wow, even with a Hebrew locale it won't display (menus in Hebrew) :-/
[08:27] <dpm> micahg, oh, so you can fetch the translation but it will not get displayed in the FF menu entry? That's strange...
[08:27] <micahg> no, I'm having an issue viewing it in my editors
[08:27] <micahg> even when the menus are in Hebrew
[08:31] <dpm> oh, that's even stranger, I don't have a Hebrew locale, and I can see them well. I just do a copy paste from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop?action=raw into Gedit and they look fine (unless they are reversed and I don't notice)
[08:36] <dpm> fta, fta2, additional translations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ChromiumDesktop should be ready to fetch whenever you've got the time
[08:48] <micahg> dpm: how do I set my system locale
[08:51] <dpm> micahg, you can use gnome-language-selector to do it for you by dragging the wanted locale to be above English in the list. Or you can do it manually by setting the LANG environment variable (you can also set LANGUAGE or unset it altogether if you don't need to specify fallback locales)
[08:52] <dpm> in both cases you'll have to log out and log back in after the change
[08:53] <dpm> (and choose the wanted locale in gdm)
[08:53] <micahg> dpm: it's set for English, but my locale is C
[08:54] <dpm> I don't know off the top of my head if C is set explicitly in English installations. It might be that the en language code is used instead
[08:55] <micahg> no, I think it's just me
[08:59] <micahg> dpm: not sure what to do here
[09:01] <dpm> micahg, what's the problem exactly? Is it still that the Hebrew text is not rendered in any of your editors?
[09:01] <micahg> dpm: yes
[09:01] <micahg> so I can't edit the non-UTF-8 compliant bit
[09:01]  * micahg has to go to sleep shortly
[09:04] <dpm> micahg, have you tried to install the Hebrew locale, even if you don't use it? You can do it in gnome-language-selector, which will also install additional fonts. I haven't got it installed myself and I can see the Hebrew text properly in Gedit, but it might be worth a try
[09:04] <micahg> dpm: I have it installed
[09:04] <micahg> it has to be my system locale being set to C, but idk how to fix it
[09:05] <dpm> micahg, and running 'LANGUAGE=he gedit' does not help?
[09:05] <micahg> dpm: no
[09:06] <dpm> does anyone in the channel has got an English locale? What's the output of 'locale'?
[09:06] <micahg> and it won't open with the Hebrew locale set
[09:06]  * micahg tries geresh
[09:08] <micahg> nope
[09:11] <dpm> micahg, I think your locale should be set to LANG=en_US.UTF-8. Do you have LANG defined in  /etc/default/locale or /etc/environment ? You can change it manually there
[09:12]  * micahg checks
[09:13] <micahg> set in /etc/default/locale
[09:23] <micahg> dpm: chrisccoulson should be on in about an hour, maybe he can figure it out
[09:23] <dpm> micahg, yeah, thanks for all your help, I'll talk to Chris later on
[09:23] <micahg> dpm: here's what I have, so he has a starting point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494631/
[09:24] <micahg> I deleted the hebrew Name line since it wasn't UTF-8 comliant
[09:24] <micahg> compliant
[09:24] <micahg> dpm: np, next cycle, can we plan this for beta :)
[09:25] <dpm> ok, I'll point
[09:25] <dpm> Chris to the patch
[09:25] <dpm> debdiff
[09:25] <micahg> k, have a good day
[09:25] <dpm> you too, thanks :)
[09:25] <dpm> well, good night, I mean
[09:25] <micahg> actually a bzr diff
[09:26] <dpm> :)
[10:40] <fta2> dpm, where are they? i just see hu
[10:50] <fta2> i see one between gl and it but without langcode
[10:56] <fta2> (most probably 'he')
[10:57] <dpm> fta2, yeah, it is Hebrew, I've now added the code
[11:00] <dpm> chrisccoulson, if you are around already, could you look into merging the translations from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop ?. micahg has already provided a bzr diff as a starting point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494631/, but had some problems with the Hebrew ([he]) translation. Could you perhaps pick it up from there?
[11:01] <dpm> I see that the existing [he] translations on the diff don't look quite right, either
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> dpm - yeah, sure
[11:04] <dpm> thanks chrisccoulson
[11:51] <gnomefreak> i miss a few days and i end up with 284 updates
[12:26] <gnomefreak> fta2: why wont chromium save passwords/forms/ect... is it a feature or bug?
[12:40] <fta2> gnomefreak, wfm, but sometimes, you have to type the 1st few letters of your login to help it refill the form
[12:40] <gnomefreak> 0k thanks
[12:41] <fta2> or on google services, they like to drop the cookie to force you to retype everything, a kind of security
[12:43] <gnomefreak> i can see why they would do that, i had to start with new profile but same as above
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, network problems? :)
[14:27] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, minor. why?
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i just noticed you keep getting disconnected ;)
[14:27] <cyphermox> I'm killing and restarting NM too to try to understand a bug :)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. that makes sense
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> see, it's such low traffic in this channel that i notice when people get disconnected a few times
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[14:28] <cyphermox> sorry :)
[14:31] <fta2> chrisccoulson, you can no longer see me flapping ;) i still do
[14:31] <fta2> °but
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - no, your connection appears to be solid now ;)
[14:31] <fta2> it's not, ~40 flaps per day
[14:42] <fta2> dpm, should i consider we'll not get more translations and merge the last two?
[14:52] <dpm> fta2, yeah, I'd say go for it
[14:56] <fta2> ok, even if there're more, as there are frequent updates, i can still adopt them later
[15:08] <Samed87> salve
[15:08] <Samed87> ho un problema con il buffer di youtube nessuno mi può aiutare
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> !it | Samed87
[15:22] <ubot2> Samed87: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[15:23] <Samed87> sorry ... I have a problem with buffer video on firefox
[15:24] <Samed87> do you can help me to fix it ?
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> Samed87, it depends what your issue is. but i'm pretty busy right now i'm afraid
[15:35] <Samed87> ok ... when you have a moment I can give you all the description
[16:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm running out for a few minutes, but is there anything I can help with before freeze?
[16:17]  * micahg didn't think the tb-locales update was necessary since we didn't pick up any new languages
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think we're ok
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - dpm mentioned you had an issue with the hebrew translation on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> what was the issue?
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> i've not had a chance to look at this yet
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, i've got the unit tests running on FF4.0 now :)
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> i will push the changes for that in a bit
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> well, everything except for mochitest so far
[16:22] <micahg> jdstrand: I'm still getting a few apparmor blocks for the Firefox profile in Maverick due to stuff that's in the archive, I'll file the bugs this weekend, you're call if it's worth breaking freeze for
[16:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, I can't get hebrew in an editor to see why the translation is having UTF-8 issues
[16:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: awesome on the unit tests
[16:23] <jdstrand> micahg: are you user-files in /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/ubuntu-browsers.d/firefox?
[16:23] <jdstrand> err
[16:23] <jdstrand> are you *using* user-files...
[16:24] <micahg> jdstrand: yes
[16:28] <jdstrand> micahg: I fixed /var/cache/fontconfig and it is in ubuntu2
[16:28] <micahg> jdstrand: yes, I saw, but my stuff is for gears and firefox-notify :)
[16:29] <jdstrand> I know of ~/.fontconfig and ~/.thumbnails when not using user-files
[16:29] <jdstrand> micahg: oh, yes, please file
[16:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll upload the TB .desktop translations w/out the Hebrew in about 40  minutes, we'll get the Hebrew in later/next cycle if need be
[16:38]  * micahg will bbiab
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, thanks
[17:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll get to gnash this weekend, I think we can probably still get lightning in as well
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not sure about lightning, nobody from ubuntu-release has commented on the bug yet
[17:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll start poking next week if no one replies by monday
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> i asked pitti, but he wanted somebody else to comment really, and i asked in #ubuntu-devel
[17:05] <micahg> it's going in universe, so we should be able to get a pass
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> it seems there is a large pile of FFe requests with no comments
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> tbh, i'm tempted to just upload it
[17:06]  * micahg thinks they're just busy
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, most likely. i hate being always blocked on other people though ;)
[17:06] <micahg> ah, the nature of collaborative efforts
[17:11] <fta> jdstrand, just uploaded .59 to maverick. do you want it for lucid, or do you want to wait for .55?
[17:12] <fta> jdstrand, i feel there's another sec update near the horizon..
[17:12] <jdstrand> fta: if possible, for lucid. maybe we can just reuse the bug you have for .59
[17:12] <jdstrand> err
[17:12] <jdstrand> for .55
[17:13] <fta> why? there's also bug 638736
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638736 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "6.0.472.55~r58392 -> 6.0.472.59~r59126 upgrade (affects: 1) (heat: 3699)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/638736
[17:14] <jdstrand> fta: I was not aware of that bug. we can just invalidate the other one when .59 is in -proposed
[17:14] <fta> you were in Cc
[17:16] <fta> jdstrand, next one has 3 sec bugs (2 high, 1 critical)
[17:16] <jdstrand> well then I forgot about it
[17:17] <jdstrand> regardless, it would be great to have .59 for -proposed unless the next one is imminent
[17:17] <fta> it is
[17:18] <jdstrand> then let's not bother-- it won't make it to -security before a week anyway
[17:18] <fta> ok, so when it's out, i'll re-update maverick, and merge the last 3 updates for lucid
[17:18] <jdstrand> fta: sounds perfect
[17:19] <fta> expected tomorrow
[17:19] <fta> (i'm trying to be proactive here)
[17:19] <jdstrand> fta: your proactivity is appreciated :)
 what does it take to have bug 636894 fixed??
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636894 in libvpx (Ubuntu) "please sync libvpx 0.9.2-1 from debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 3448)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636894
[17:31] <micahg> fta: a cupcake for an archive admin?
[17:32] <fta> micahg, remotely, it's not easy
[17:32] <micahg> heh
[17:32] <micahg> fta: would be better to get in now, maybe ask in -devel before Final Freeze
[17:33] <micahg> which is in 27 minutes :)
[17:35] <fta> pfff
[17:36] <fta> i really considering moving back to in-source libs
[17:36] <fta> i'm
[17:37] <fta> uhh, fta2 flapped??
[17:38] <micahg> fta: it actually needs a core-dev ack
[17:38]  * micahg forgot about that
[17:40] <fta> micahg, didrocks asked me to do it the way i did
[17:41] <micahg> fta: hmmm, well, is he ack'd it, that should be in the bug
[17:41] <micahg> *if
[17:41] <micahg> so the AA knows
[17:42] <fta> he's not there atm :(
[17:43] <micahg> fta: yes, on vacation, seb128 as well, you can paste the chat log if you have it where he said it's ok
[17:47] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: hi, where can i find information about mozilla addons?
[17:47] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: i need to update a couple of addons from 3.0 to 3.6
[17:47] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: and i've no clue of how to do that
[17:50] <fta> micahg, done
[17:50] <fta> now what?
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions is a good start
[17:51] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it seems i'm the only person left on the desktop team ;)
[17:51] <micahg> fta: just getting someone to do it, maybe ask in -devel
[17:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: really?
[17:52] <fta> micahg, already did, nada
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, everyone's on holiday or at conferences
[17:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I guess you have to hold down the fort
[17:56] <micahg> fta: in progress :)
[17:56] <micahg> fta: might want to thank cjwatson when he's done
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> actually, cyphermox is here too, so i'm not the only person :)
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, we're not frozen yet
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> i thought it was meant to be 1700UTC
[18:15]  * chrisccoulson should go on a last minute uploading frenzy
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> oh, actually, we are
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> was looking at the wrong bit in launchpad
[18:19] <fta> jdstrand, just read your last post to the t-b, maybe you can add the current situation of 3 sec updates in row hold back by the SRU process.. just to give a clear real-life example
[18:19] <jdstrand> fta: that is a good point
[18:20] <fta> jdstrand, also, regarding future libs, ch is considering libjpeg-turbo (which will require yasm >= 1.0.1)
[18:21] <fta> "in a row, held back"...
[18:21] <fta> i really need more sleep
[18:22] <micahg> fta: as a runtime dep or a build-time dep?
[18:23] <fta> build-time
[18:23] <fta> moz wants it too
[18:23] <fta> mozilla 573948
[18:23] <micahg> fta: ah, might be able to work around that then since builds are done in the security PPA
[18:23] <micahg> fta: yes, I know :)
[18:24] <micahg> fta: syncing is blocked on a soyuz bug ATM, but cjwatson made a note and will sync as soon as he can
[18:24] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 573948 in ImageLib "Replace libjpeg with libjpeg-turbo" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573948
[18:25]  * micahg got yasm 1.1.0 in maverick
[18:25]  * micahg has to run now, will bbiab
[18:26] <micahg> dpm: thunderbird was uploaded w/out the Hebrew, we'll have to figure it out later
[18:26]  * micahg is really off now
[18:27] <dpm> micahg, sure, thanks for taking care of this!
[18:28]  * dpm is off as well
[18:31] <fta> http://dailyshite.com/2010/08/if-dinosaurs-had-twitter/  :)
[18:39] <sebner> fta: hilarious, trying ff4.0b6 upstream binary from mozilla and then it doesn't even start xD missing libxul.so, even if it's present
[18:42] <fta> sebner, you're supposed to use the wrapper, it sets a LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[18:43] <sebner> fta: you mean run-mozilla.sh?
[18:43] <sebner> fta: run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute .
[18:43] <fta> sebner, hm, iirc, it's firefox. the real bin being -bin
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> sebner, just running the firefox wrapper should take care of all that
[18:44] <sebner> fta: that starts ubuntu ff 3.6.10
[18:44] <fta> lol
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> sebner, anyway, why are you downloading from mozilla? whats wrong with the daily builds? ;)
[18:44] <fta> sebner, go to that unpacked dir, and ./firefox
[18:45] <sebner> chrisccoulson: just a quick test, adding PPA is too slow :P
[18:45] <sebner> fta: ehm, I know ;) Don't think I'm a noob that typed "firefox" into the terminal
[18:45] <fta> sebner, sorry ;)
[18:46] <sebner> heh, np
[18:46] <fta> no offense intended
[18:46] <sebner> fta: nah, really no problem .. I'm sure you have to deal with such people a lot so nvm
[18:50] <fta> indeed
[18:50] <sebner> :)
[18:52] <sebner> fta: any other suggestion I should try?
[18:54] <fta> sebner, iirc, it's an issue with the code trying to resolve the symlinks
[18:55] <fta> or maybe not. try running the wrapper in trace mode (sh -x ./firefox)
[18:55] <fta> and paste what you get
[18:58] <sebner> fta: http://pastebin.com/k850Q79E
[18:59] <fta> hm, nothing's wrong in there
[19:00] <sebner> fta: ah, error found. It can't be run parallell to ubuntu firefox
[19:00] <fta> oh, right
[19:00] <fta> forgot about that one
[19:00] <sebner> :)
[19:01] <sebner> fta: is ff4b6 supposed to support <canvas> from html5 already?
[19:02] <fta> yes
[19:02] <fta> 3.5/3.6 too iirc
[19:02] <sebner> hmm
[19:02] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: just found a bug in /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/xpi.mk
[19:02] <fta> i use it in my own webapps
[19:02] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: there is something that says # clean build and remove all .xpi in top-level if a MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND is defined
[19:02] <sebner> fta: kk, thanks a lot for your help! :)
[19:02] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: and in the top of the file you have: MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND ?= xpi-pack $(CURDIR) $(MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG).xpi
[19:03] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: so it doesn't matter if i defined MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND or not it will clean the .xpi anyway
[19:05] <fta> jdstrand, you asked about the number of users of ch, i used to follow the evolution of our debs vs the google ones: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/popcon-20100915.png   but i don't have the repartition by PPA/dists (yet)
[19:06] <fta> in 2~3 days, we should re-gain the 1st place
[20:39] <yofel> hm, how does firefox identify what files it can open by itself? on launchpad apport attachments have <text/plain; charset="utf-8"> as type which it opens fine, but the retracer attaches files with <text/plain> as type and ffx tells me to open it in gedit. Any way to make firefox open those in a new tab too?
[20:40] <yofel> (firefox 3.6)
[20:57] <jcastro> fta: whoa, nice growth
[20:57] <jcastro> fta: that's -browser just what's in the archive right? no dailies?
[20:58] <fta> jcastro, nope, all merged. popcon is not smart enough
[20:59] <fta> jcastro, i keep asking the lp guys about the ppa stats, i'm even ready to code that in python if the api has what's needed, but i never get any answer
[21:00] <jcastro> fta: out of curiosity are you measuring the lag time between an upstream chrome release and how long it takes for an equivalent chromium release to hit the archive?
[21:05] <fta> jcastro, yes, somehow. my bot populates the -stable ppa within a few hours of google (tracking releases on http://omahaproxy.appspot.com/), or even sooner if i'm available when my tracker detects it and i force it manually, then I merge what needs to be merged and if that's fine (build + some tests), i can push to maverick
[21:05] <fta> jcastro, that could happen within a day, if there are build resources available
[21:08]  * jcastro nods
[21:09] <fta> grrr, disconnected
 jcastro, that could happen within a day, if there are build resources available
[21:10] <fta> * Disconnected ().
[21:10] <fta> jcastro, as for lucid, i usually prepare the debs at the same time as the maverick ones, and hand them over to jdstrand
[21:10] <fta> (did i miss something?)
[21:10] <jcastro> about how long does it take after you hand it to jdstrand?
[21:11] <jdstrand> I get it building in ubuntu-security-proposed immediately
[21:11] <jdstrand> well, after review
[21:12] <jdstrand> but then it might be the next day before it gets pocket copied to lucid-proposed
[21:12] <jcastro> ok, so it's not like a week or anything crazy like that?
[21:12] <jdstrand> (it has been longer in the past, but that is usu. the case)
[21:12] <jdstrand> we mostly are waiting for the build to finish
[21:12] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+publishinghistory
[21:12] <kees> jcastro: we need to get jono to record a song in death-metal style titled "CRUSHING THE BUILDDS!"
[21:12] <jdstrand> jcastro: fta is keen to remind me if it starts to slip :)
[21:13]  * jdstrand appreciates that (really :)
[21:13] <jcastro> ok so it's the same problem everyone else has, buildd's are slow
[21:13] <jcastro> there's nothing broken with the process itself is what I am getting at.
[21:14] <jdstrand> jcastro: well, yes, but our buildd is special
[21:14] <jdstrand> jcastro: so we get put to the front, but arm is still arm
[21:14] <jcastro> ah
[21:14] <fta> jcastro, there's a problem with SRU, it's too slow
[21:14] <jdstrand> our *ppa* is special (we don't have dedicated buildds)
[21:15] <jdstrand> jcastro: that is the issue-- the SRU process because chromium hasn't been given a micro/macro release exception
[21:15] <jdstrand> jcastro: it is being discussed in TB, but still not resolved
[21:15] <jcastro> yeah I was just going over the mail archive
[21:15] <jcastro> is there anything I can do to help?
[21:15] <jcastro> I feel bad when fta has to flail
[21:16] <jdstrand> jcastro: I don't think so. I poked kees (hi!) this week and it started a new exchange. I imagine it will be discussed at the next TB meeting
[21:17] <jcastro> I think we should make the chromium guys ubuntu developers and give them all the work. But evan wasn't keen on that when I proposed it, heh
[21:17] <jdstrand> heh
[21:18] <jcastro> is the tb aware of them switching to a 6 week release cycle?
[21:18] <fta> it's in one of the emails to the t-b ml
[21:18] <kees> I'm hoping to just drop the waiting period
[21:18] <jcastro> ah "Another piece of information worth noting is that upstream has been releasing so fast that the SRU 7 day period is blocking new updates."
[21:19] <fta> but it doesn't really matter, really. it doesn't make any difference, almost all stable updates are security updates, or regression fixes
[21:19] <fta> only a few are big jumps
[21:20] <jcastro> it's web-like deployments except with an application. Just when you think we've got The Debian Way(tm) all sorted out.
[21:20] <kees> heh
[21:20] <jdstrand> that's out the window with browsers these days
[21:21] <jcastro> yeah, then you find out they're probably going to do their entire OS like that.
[21:23]  * jdstrand notes his improper use of "'" in that email :(
[21:23] <jdstrand> at least we don't have to provide security updates for that OS
[21:39] <fta> been disconnected again and my bnc sucks, no backlog
[21:39] <fta> and irclogs.u.c is not realtime :(
[22:16] <fta> irclogs.u.c is only updated once an hour :(


[01:10] <bjsnider> micahg, fixed that gecko-mediaplayer bug. thanks for the help
[01:22] <alex_mayorga> chrisccoulson: Any hopes of fixing firefox-trunk on the PPA?
[03:12] <micahg> alex_mayorga: he made some commits on Tuesday morning, it might build tonight
[03:13] <micahg> bjsnider: good to hear, need something sponsored?
[03:13] <bjsnider> micahg, well, i guess there's no bzr branch or anything to merge
[03:13] <bjsnider> i added a patch to the bug report which will fix 1.0.4
[03:14] <bjsnider> but gmtk and gnome-mplayer are at 1.0.5 in precise, so gecko should be updated too
[03:14] <bjsnider> i fixed the debian scripts for that version and put them in my junk area
[03:14] <micahg> the only thing stopping that before was the FTBFS, but I'm not sure if it'll need an FFe at this point (if it has new features)
[03:15] <bjsnider> 1.0.5 depends on external gmtk, whereas 1.0.4 has it internally
[03:16] <bjsnider> and it uses gnome-mplayer which also uses gmtk, so i'm not sure if it would all work together well if one of the 3 was a different version
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, ffs
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> sigh
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> it seems we still can't get a good firefox build, thanks to the KDE patch again on everything except precise
[13:28]  * chrisccoulson wishes the weekend to appear already
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> heh, indeed, https://twitter.com/#!/bhearsum/status/190180081245761538 ;)
[21:15] <Dimmuxx> I agree
[23:39] <alex_mayorga> chrisccoulson: Thanks on reviving firefox-trunk


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[02:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! I need some flag changes in #ubuntu-pe. We're having a meeting on Sunday, and we need to give +votiA to the bot, JoseBot. Also, we need to remove TOPICLOCK and KEEPTOPIC, for the bot to make the changes. The problem is, nobody knows who have flags.
[02:42] <JoseeAntonioR> Can you make those changes, or I need to go to another channel?
[02:55] <ubot2`> jalcine called the ops in #ubuntu-beginners-team ()
[03:02] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I suggest waiting here for now
[03:03] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Thank you, Lyz :)
[03:04] <pleia2> sure, hope you can get it sorted without too much trouble :)
[03:04] <pleia2> shame the access list isn't open
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: That's the main problem we have, I'll ask the ops to change it too.
[03:05]  * pleia2 nods
[03:06] <JoseeAntonioR> By the way, just found a troll in #ubuntu. It's danielboston26.
[03:43] <m4v> I suppose p3l|c4n0 was #ubuntu-pe's founder, he's not around anymore.
[03:48] <JoseeAntonioR> m4v: Yep, I haven't seen him ever on IRC
[11:23] <jokerdino> hey guys, i would like to request for ubuntu members cloak. here's my launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/~jokerdino
[11:24] <k1l> jokerdino: congrats on member status. just wait untill the IRCC wakes up and confirms :)
[11:24] <jokerdino> k1l: thanks, i can wait :)
[11:25] <jokerdino> i just wanted to post it here
[11:25] <k1l> yep, that is the right procedure.
[11:26] <jokerdino> is there anything else i have to do that is necessary for the process?
[11:30] <k1l> you need an account on freenode (since you are logged in you got one :) ) and member status. just wait until the ircc reacts. this is not an heavy traffic channel here. but AlanBell and topyli are not marked away, maybe the sneek here in minutes
[11:30] <AlanBell> maybe . . .
[11:31] <k1l> :)
[11:31] <topyli> yeah who knows!
[11:32] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/jokerdino cloak please for jokerdino
[11:33] <Mkaysi> Shouldn't you !staff ?
[11:33] <topyli> that's more for real emergencies imo
[11:33] <AlanBell> they mostly have "staff" on hilight anyway
[11:34] <Mkaysi> Ok
[11:34]  * Mkaysi didn't know that
[11:35] <jokerdino> i didn't expect to see people on a saturday.
[11:36] <topyli> office hours don't matter to volunteers :)
[11:37] <jokerdino> i see. haha :)
[11:42]  * Myrtti has a look
[11:42] <Myrtti> congrats, jokerdino
[11:43] <jokerdino> thanks Myrtti :)
[11:43] <Myrtti> np
[11:46] <jokerdino> thanks, i can now see the cloak.. :)
[11:50] <topyli> thanks Myrtti
[11:50] <AlanBell> nice cloak jokerdino :) thanks Myrtti
[11:51] <jokerdino> :)
[14:26] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! I need some help, on claiming flags from #ubuntu-pe.
[14:27] <jussi> AlanBell: ^^^
[14:27] <JoseeAntonioR> jussi: Thanks :)
[14:28] <AlanBell> hi JoseeAntonioR
[14:28] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: Hello! Should I explain my problem here, or via PM?
[14:28] <AlanBell> I had a look and I can't see the flags at all
[14:28] <AlanBell> here is good
[14:28] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: Yep, that's one of the problems I have
[14:28] <jussi> AlanBell: you need to add tthe ircc account via asking staff
[14:29] <jussi> Once you have +fF, you can add all the resto f the flags and see it
[14:29] <JoseeAntonioR> Well, we're having a meeting on Sunday, and we need to give +votiA to the bot,  JoseBot. Also, we need to remove TOPICLOCK and KEEPTOPIC, for the bot  to make the changes. The problem is, nobody knows who have flags.
[14:29] <AlanBell> ok
[14:30] <JoseeAntonioR> If possible, also to remove the private flags, so anyone can see who have them.
[14:30] <AlanBell> that all sounds reasonable
[14:31] <JoseeAntonioR> It has been a pretty inactive channel, but since we're trying to revive the LoCo, we need access to it.
[14:32] <AlanBell> staff, can we get UbuntuIrcCouncil with founder flags +fF in #ubuntu-pe please
[14:36] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: Shouldn't !staff be called?
[14:37] <AlanBell> I am not in a hurry :) they will see it at some point
[14:37] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: Oh :)
[15:23] <JoseeAntonioR> nothing yet?
[15:23] <AlanBell> all watching the rugby I think
[15:25] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[15:31] <Mkaysi> So I am not the only person asking about using !staff today :)
[15:32] <JoseeAntonioR> Mkaysi: did you asked that before?
[15:32] <Mkaysi> JoseeAntonioR: Yes, someone was asking Ubuntu member cloak and just said "staff"
[15:33] <Mkaysi> I was told that staff usually have "staff" on highlighted words (sorry for highlight spamming)
[15:33] <JoseeAntonioR> then, someone should see it soon
[16:32] <Fuchs> hrm, at least I don't have it as a highlight, so in urgent cases maybe asking in #freenode, the channel you just asked in or via /query might be a better idea </sidenote>
[16:32] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: ^^^
[16:32] <Fuchs> if one of us is on /stats p, contacting him/her is probably the most quick one
[16:36] <AlanBell> mrmist got to it :)
[16:37] <AlanBell> thanks Fuchs
[16:38] <Fuchs> saw it, yes. Sorry for the delay :)
[16:38] <JoseeAntonioR> Fuchs: No problem
[16:38] <AlanBell> oh, is it working right I wonder
[16:39] <AlanBell> I still can't see the access list I think
[16:39] <JoseeAntonioR> same over here, I can't check it, but has UbuntuIrcCouncil got access?
[16:40] <AlanBell> don't think so
[16:40] <JoseeAntonioR> :S
[16:40] <Mkaysi> If AlanBell is in UbuntuIrcCouncil, just add flags +* to yourself.
[16:41] <Mkaysi> You should be able to do it with +Ff and then you should be able to see the flags
[16:42] <AlanBell> ah, right, so I can
[16:42] <AlanBell> thanks Mkaysi
[16:42] <Mkaysi> You're welcome :)
[16:43] <JoseeAntonioR> by the way, I found a troll on #ubuntu, gfc, saying random words to spam the channel
[16:44] <Mkaysi> JoseeAntonioR: Maybe you should !ops there or join #ubuntu-ops
[16:44] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll tell the user to stop spamming, I forgot the first step :)
[16:45] <marienz> Mkaysi: who told you we have that word hilighted? Because I most certainly don't, and I don't *think* most of the rest of us do
[16:45] <AlanBell> 16:46 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 6     JoseBot                +votiA [modified 15 seconds ago]
[16:46] <Mkaysi> marienz: It's just outside my buffer, I can check from logs soon
[16:46] <AlanBell> marienz: it was me, I think some people do
[16:46] <marienz> first I've heard of it
[16:46] <AlanBell> anyhow, there was no particular hurry
[16:46] <Fuchs> I think most don't, but I might be wrong
[16:46] <Mkaysi> Ok
[16:46] <Fuchs> at least the current statistic speaks against it ;)
[16:46]  * Mkaysi thought that it was topyli
[16:47] <JoseeAntonioR> Thanks! Can you please also remove the topiclock, keeptopick and the private flags?
[16:47] <Fuchs> AlanBell: I think it would missfire quite a lot to have this word as a highlight, which would be against it's purpose, because then it would get less attention
[16:47] <AlanBell> probably true
[16:47] <marienz> I guess I could add an exclamation mark followed by that word, much like the ops thing. But I don't think it'd get much use
[16:48] <jussi> !staff  >  marienz
[16:48] <marienz> yes, that's a thing
[16:48] <marienz> so I guess I'd not have to add that for this channel
[16:48] <Fuchs> oh god ...
[16:49] <Mkaysi> jussi: But that has another problem. There are scripts like masshighlightignore for XChat :)
[16:49] <Fuchs> I'd recommend to use /stats p  and contacting people on it before firing this script :)
[16:49] <AlanBell> that is good to know
[16:49] <jussi> now that staff are actually on stats p, that seems reasonable
[16:50] <AlanBell> JoseeAntonioR: all done
[16:50] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: A question, why can't I see the flags? :S
[16:50] <Fuchs> or see whether one of us is currently active in #freenode. Just to get a person before using this shotgun :)
[16:51] <Mkaysi> JoseeAntonioR: Try /msg chanserv access #channel list
[16:51] <Fuchs> JoseeAntonioR: reasons for not seeing flags would be: a channel set private and you not having +A on it
[16:51] <Fuchs> JoseeAntonioR: however, for the channel I think this is about, it should work
[16:51] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: Oh, yep, I see them :) Thanks for all your help!
[16:51] <Mkaysi> Flags requires more permissions
[16:52] <AlanBell> Fuchs: yeah, I didn't want to use the blunderbus :0
[19:19] <bodhizazen> Help with an ubuntu channel pleas
[19:19] <pangolin> AlanBell topyli funkyHat Pici incoming
[19:19] <bodhizazen> channel #ubuntuforums
[19:19] <pangolin> bodhizazen, may as well give some details now, they will end up asking you for them anyway
[19:20] <bodhizazen> The founder, jdong, has been MIA for a long time, can not contact jdong via e-mail, PM on forms, /msg on IRC
[19:20] <bodhizazen> I am on the Forums council
[19:21] <bodhizazen> https://launchpad.net/~forum-council
[19:22] <pangolin> next step in this process requires waiting and patience :)
[19:22] <bodhizazen> yep =)
[19:24] <bodhizazen> I would like to request setting up the FC to own the channel (+F) , but I do not know how to set up group ownership on IRC (I can read on that part), but there is no one with sufficient privileges to make changes
[19:25] <pangolin> The Ubuntu IRC Council will have to request that staff give them the needed flags and all. You can talk to them about owner transfer.
[20:09] <funkyHat> Hi bodhizazen
[20:11] <funkyHat> We (the IRC council) already have +f in #ubuntuforums, which is enough to grant access if more operators are needed
[20:29] <bodhizazen> hey funkyHat , sorry wa AFK
[21:02] <funkyHat> bodhizazen: is that satisfactory? #ubuntuforums is officially under the control of the IRCC so if there are any specific issues we can deal with them, or get them dealt with quickly by freenode staff
[21:02] <bodhizazen> I do not really care who owns #ubuntuforums
[21:03] <bodhizazen> I would like to be able to add / remove ops
[21:03] <bodhizazen> Preferably all FC members would have that privilige
[21:08] <m4v> IRCC, ping
[22:25] <AlanBell> hi m4v
[22:26] <m4v> AlanBell: you might want to check #ubuntu-pe access list, there's one entry that should be removed or fixed.
[22:28] <m4v> AlanBell: there's an entry that gives ops to anyone with the nick Seveas, instead of giving it to his account.
[22:28] <AlanBell> ah right, ok
[22:32] <AlanBell> ok, removed, and sevias has the neverop flag set so I can't add back by account
[22:42] <m4v> thanks AlanBell


[07:34] <trijntje> Hi all. I would like to get the following package into 13.04 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defaults-nl-team
[07:34] <trijntje> its a customization package of which a few are already in the repo, this one is for Dutch. It's main purpose is to be used to create localized iso images of ubuntu
[07:35] <trijntje> can someone take a look at the package an tell me what I should change before it can be included?
[17:06] <obounaim> Hello, how to request a merge from launchpad UI?
[17:08] <bobweaver> obounaim,  you have read  https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review  ?
[17:09] <obounaim> bobweaver, it worked for me thanks.
[17:09] <bobweaver> np have a good one