[00:20] <jrwren> i always hated ironing shirts
[00:20] <jrwren> even though I love suiting up, I'm glad I'm a tshirt guy when I'm not suited up.
[00:26] <cscheib> I wear button downs most of the time now, and it's not so bad... although, no iron shirts are a myth, you've still either gotta iron em or deal with a bit of wrinklage
[00:26] <cscheib> I usually just skip ironing em.
[00:30] <jrwren> i used to too. :)
[00:31] <jrwren> its weird, I used to love my button ups, but then I fell into the wrong developer crowd, and I felt the need to conform to their fashion norms. I adopted t-shirts.
[00:41] <cscheib> heh
[00:41] <cscheib> I rarely leave the house in a t shirt
[00:41] <cscheib> polo, if anything
[01:10] <cmaloney> I wear polos at work and T-shirts the rest of the time
[01:11] <rick_h_> button ups ftw
[01:11] <rick_h_> I've gone the t-shirt -> button up route
[01:11] <cmaloney> And in the winter I wear sweaters with t-shirts underneath
[01:11] <cmaloney> Frankly I couldn't care less what people think of what I wear.
[01:11] <gamerchick02> i feel better at work when i've ironed my shirts
[01:11] <cmaloney> Just as long as it's not completely off-base.
[01:12] <cmaloney> and somewhat matches. :)
[01:12] <gamerchick02> sorry i was working on my pathfinder character
[01:12] <gamerchick02> yay for matching!
[01:12] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Playing PF locally?
[01:12] <gamerchick02> at work actually
[01:12] <gamerchick02> we have a game going on thursdays at lunch
[01:12] <cmaloney> Ah, neat.
[01:12] <gamerchick02> yes! i'm a Kitsune in this game
[01:12] <gamerchick02>  Hunter. with a badger as a pet
[01:13] <cmaloney> Wonder if I could get a game started at work
[01:13] <cmaloney> something like Fiasco or some other one-shot.
[01:13] <gamerchick02> we're doing a long-ish game but breaking it up more
[01:16] <cmaloney> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4jcIDkFu9gg/VW46olSWMjI/AAAAAAAAgqU/3sZJ2sPmY10/w610-h343-no/15%2B-%2B1
[01:18] <gamerchick02> bwahahahaha
[01:20] <gamerchick02> that was hilarious!
[01:20] <cmaloney> :-l
[01:20] <cmaloney> ;)
[01:21] <gamerchick02> switching dice because my purple dice were being stupid last game
[01:23] <gamerchick02> going green and blue for this character
[01:25] <gamerchick02> i've not created a character for anything in the longest time. i spent probably from about 7 to 9 working on it tonight. oi
[01:36] <rick_h_> what do you call something that you all know but aren't saying explicitly?
[01:36] <rick_h_> I keep thinking assumption, but that's not really it
[01:36] <jrwren> SWEET!  I just scored 2 Intel PRO-1000 card from some guy down the road
[01:36] <jrwren> I <3 the internet.
[01:36] <jrwren> he just posted on some group email list i'm on.
[01:36] <rick_h_> jrwren: <3
[01:53] <cmaloney> rick_h_: implicit knowledge
[01:53] <gamerchick02> rick_h_: kind of like an observation?
[01:54] <rick_h_> cmaloney: gamerchick02 no, but yea you guys get the idea. I swear there's some work out there
[01:54] <rick_h_> like acknowledgement, or matter of fact, or something but my english is fail
[01:54] <cmaloney> a priori knowledge
[01:54] <gamerchick02> you swear there's work out there? you know you can contact my mom and she can put you to work...
[01:54] <gamerchick02> :-P
[01:55] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: :P word
[01:55] <cmaloney> up
[01:56] <gamerchick02> hee
[01:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Awesome re: the network cards.
[01:57] <gamerchick02> yes!
[01:57] <gamerchick02> free or cheap?
[01:57]  * cmaloney is trying to find someone local that has access to some Sinclair hardware that isn't a Timex TS1000
[01:57] <jrwren> free
[01:58] <gamerchick02> free is best
[01:58] <jrwren> i don't know if I have empty slots for it in my computer.  HOw many networks are you running?
[01:59] <gamerchick02> OH if anyone in here works at Chrysler and is interested in Pathfinder, i have a group i meet with on Thursdays
[01:59] <jrwren> cmaloney: just one.
[01:59] <gamerchick02> why do you need that many cards?
[01:59] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Sadly no to both. :)
[02:00] <gamerchick02> sadly. but you *could* come as a visitor and i could escort you to the room... hah!
[02:00] <jrwren> at one point it was because I didn't want a switch and cables hanging everywhere, so everything went to the 1 server, which switched for me.
[02:00] <gamerchick02> that's actually kind of brilliant
[02:00] <jrwren> now I think I may bond some channels between some systems.
[02:00] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: That would require me to be interested in Pathfinder. I'd rather play other games. :)
[02:00] <gamerchick02> ah! well, i've not played an RPG in forever so i kind of jumped at this one.
[02:01] <gamerchick02> would have done a White Wolf campaign too
[02:01] <cmaloney> I want to find a 13th age campaign without having to start one
[02:01] <cmaloney> sadly that's a little trickier
[02:01] <gamerchick02> i almost wish we were still doing the long-running Rifts game i was in while i was in college
[02:01] <gamerchick02> ah college
[02:01] <cmaloney> Hah, Rifts
[02:01] <gamerchick02> that was AWESOME
[02:02] <cmaloney> where the setting is importat and the system doesn't matter.
[02:02] <gamerchick02> i was a techno-wizard who rode a motorcycle and could fix ANYTHING
[02:02] <gamerchick02> i was like an engineer who had magic, and honestly, i'm half that right now. i wish i was magic.
[02:02] <cmaloney> heh
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i've played Shadowrun (that character was a hacker), Lo5R (samauri!), RuneQuest (i was a duck), D&D (multiple characters), WW mage and vampire one-shots...
[02:04] <cmaloney> Yay Runequest!
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i was a DUCK!!
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i had armor and everything!!
[02:05] <cmaloney> I've come to appreciate the RuneQuest system
[02:05] <cmaloney> Glorantha makes me want to hurt people though
[02:05] <cmaloney> RuneQuest 6 and OpenQuest are pretty sweet
[02:05] <gamerchick02> and the puns would go really well: "hey, put the party's drinks on my bill." (get it... MY BILL?!?! haw haw haw!!)
[02:05] <gamerchick02> it was only a one-shot game
[02:06] <cmaloney> Still, <3 RuneQuest
[02:07] <cmaloney> Also <3: Fate Core, Dungeon World / Apocalypse World, D6, GURPS, GUMSHOE, and FUDGE
[02:07] <cmaloney> and Eclipse Phase.
[02:07] <gamerchick02> GURPS!!
[02:07] <gamerchick02> yay!
[02:07] <gamerchick02> i'd like to do more GURPS
[02:08] <cmaloney> Same
[02:08] <gamerchick02> we did a big eyes small mouth one-shot too
[02:08] <cmaloney> also <3 talislanta
[02:09] <gamerchick02> :)
[02:10] <cmaloney> Mostly because they released it CC-BY-NC-ND
[02:12] <gamerchick02> yes
[02:12] <cmaloney> http://talislanta.com/
[02:13] <gamerchick02> thank you
[02:13] <gamerchick02> we also did a D6 one shot
[02:13] <cmaloney> np
[02:13] <cmaloney> D6 is pretty sweet
[02:13] <cmaloney> http://www.breachworld.com/
[02:13] <cmaloney> This has been called Rifts for D6
[02:14] <gamerchick02> oooo
[02:14] <gamerchick02> like i need MORE games to play. :-P
[02:14] <cmaloney> heh
[02:14] <gamerchick02> i'll stick with pathfinder right now
[12:32] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:32] <rick_h_> morning
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> morn
[12:47] <_stink_> yo
[12:48] <cmaloney> CHC Tonight. :)
[12:48]  * _stink_ shrinks into the shadows
[12:48] <cmaloney> _stink_: You get a pass for another 4 years.
[12:48] <cmaloney> Make the best of it.
[12:49] <cmaloney> ;)
[12:52] <_stink_> i... will try.
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> i feel bad about CHC
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> I would say i've been busy but that just feels like a bad excuse
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> i live an hour away from CHC now though
[12:53] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Has life settled down any?
[12:54] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I used to live an hor away from CHC
[12:54] <cmaloney> it's do-able. :)
[12:54] <cmaloney> rick_h_ lives an hour away.
[12:54] <cmaloney> Also: did you move recently?
[13:03] <wolfger> I just don't even code anymore :-(  Not that I ever really did. Not like everybody else.
[13:03] <wolfger> but if you start up Beer House Brewers meetings, call me! :-D
[13:05] <cmaloney> You can still come to the coders meeting
[13:06] <wolfger> I used to dodge it because I felt like an imposter. Now I know I'm an imposter. I can't even remember how to write Perl without hitting google.
[13:07] <wolfger> My current career ambition is to milk my IT job until I can afford to open a brewery.
[13:08] <wolfger> or until I find wealthy investors that will enable my dream
[13:13] <brousch> You will miss the brewery bubble if you wait much longer
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: life is settled-ish
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> i moved in with $gf
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> mom is stable again
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> parents divorced though
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> so better but not ideal i guess
[13:16] <jrwren> wolfger: you don't code AT ALL!?!?!
[13:18] <wolfger> I coded some VBA about... 4 months ago?
[13:19] <wolfger> brousch: I've been hearing about the brewery bubble for years. And every year Michigan breweries increase sales and production. The bubble is a myth.
[13:19] <jrwren> i can't live without coding. I get some idea for how something could be better, adn I go do it. Especially little things, becuase they sound little, and so I feel the MUST be done.
[13:19] <wolfger> people will never stop drinking beer
[13:19] <jrwren> the bubble is in big beer, and it lasted for 50yrs. Its bursting.
[13:21] <wolfger> I'm still a few years out from being able to make a serious go at it, sadly. In the meantime, I practice the craft and study the business.
[13:22] <wolfger> The hard part of running a successful brewery will not be "making good beer".
[13:23] <brousch> Where will you open it?
[13:23] <rick_h_> wolfger: don't feel bad. I don't code any more and actually spent the weekend thinking of how to shut down bookie.io.
[13:24] <wolfger> :-o
[13:24] <brousch> wat?!
[13:25] <wolfger> brousch: there's currently no breweries near where I live. That meshes nicely with my desire to have a job where I ride my bicycle to work. :-)
[13:25] <rick_h_> I've not done a bookie commit in some 6mo? and it's costing me $200/mo
[13:25] <rick_h_> it's into unmanged territory and I don't have time for it.
[13:26] <brousch> Gratipay is changed now, so that $0.25/wk I donated won't get to you
[13:26] <rick_h_> yea, I killed my account there
[13:26] <rick_h_> brousch: so that was you! :)
[13:26] <rick_h_> ty for that. I used it to donate to others that did software I used like the pyramid folks and mike bayer
[13:27] <brousch> To kill bookie, all you have to do is insert annoying ads and inject malware downloads
[13:28] <rick_h_> heh, I don't think it's all that alive as it is
[13:28] <wolfger> lol
[13:28] <rick_h_> but yea, expect to see an email shortly with a 'here's your export options, run your own, etc'
[13:29] <brousch> So you've become so manager that you no longer code?
[13:29] <rick_h_> pretty much, and no time for coding in my spare time with other things going on
[13:29] <rick_h_> and spending the $$ a month to run it is jsut something I should cut from my expenses
[13:29] <brousch> Yeah, that's a big expense
[13:30] <brousch> Could maybe be justified when it was a hobby
[13:30] <rick_h_> I mean for what I pay for bookie it'd pay all my cell phone, mifi, and streaming services
[13:30] <rick_h_> right
[13:30] <rick_h_> I used to justify it as if I went golfing I'd spend as much
[13:30] <wolfger> Yeah...
[13:30] <rick_h_> but I don't spend time on it so it's just sinking $$ to keep folks happy with performance
[13:30] <wolfger> so... taking up golf?
[13:30] <brousch> I like golf
[13:31] <rick_h_> no, but fishing, getting a kayak, and with the camping/photography/woodworking more than enough stuff to spend my time on
[13:31] <wolfger> I still haven't played a second game of golf, but I will some day. I've been hitting driving ranges just working on not sucking
[13:31] <rick_h_> hah good luck at that
[13:31] <rick_h_> when I play gold I just equate it with sucking
[13:32] <wolfger> my definition of "not sucking" is probably a lot more generous than other people's, too. ;-)
[13:33] <brousch> It's OK if you suck.  I gave it a go.
[13:33] <rick_h_> it's a good way to get outdoors a bit
[13:33] <phwelo> jrwren: i have to go with my father all of the time.  it's awful
[13:33] <rick_h_> I do more fishing/camping but golf serves a purpose
[13:33] <jrwren> i get outdoors to cut my grass.
[13:33] <rick_h_> lol
[13:34] <phwelo> BUT if you get really drunk first and take a cart it's easier to just give up and ride around
[13:34] <rick_h_> not sure that counts
[13:34] <brousch> jrwren: I have some outdoors work for you if you have 45 minutes
[13:34] <rick_h_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/18397073015/in/datetaken/ (outdoors)
[13:34] <jrwren> brousch: if you mean cutting your grass. I'd consider it, but the drive is so far.
[13:35] <wolfger> I have seen that some courses now use these snowboard-ish single person carts. I think that's nifty.
[13:36] <wolfger> a bit more exercise than normal carts, but less than walking.
[13:40] <jrwren> no wheels?
[13:40] <rick_h_> walking golf ftw
[13:40] <rick_h_> but courses aren't liking as much because you play slower
[13:40] <rick_h_> :(
[13:43] <jrwren> disc golf i might like?
[13:44] <brousch> It's not really more exciting than golf, just cheaper
[13:46] <wolfger> jrwren: ok, more like a skateboard than a snowboard I guess. :-p
[13:46] <wolfger> pedant
[13:46] <wolfger> disc golf is awesome!
[13:47] <wolfger> although losing one in the water is considerably worse than losing a ball in the water
[13:47] <jrwren> wolfger: i was honestly asking, because I'd be surprised if golf courses would like something sliding across their greens.
[13:51] <wolfger> https://youtu.be/B9VuKK5sbQo
[13:51] <rick_h_> lol golf segway
[13:53] <jrwren> bwahahaha
[13:54] <wolfger> I mean, that looks so much more fun than the actual game!
[13:55] <rick_h_> wolfger: turns golf into polo
[13:55] <wolfger> rofl
[13:55] <wolfger> a new meaning for "golf scramble"
[13:56] <wolfger> no waiting for other people to take their shots. Everybody tee off at once and first one in the hole wins.
[13:56] <wolfger> helmet required
[14:01] <cmaloney> rick_h_: LMK if I can help in any way with Bookie.
[14:01] <cmaloney> I've been slacking in my contributions.
[14:02] <cmaloney> I'd hate to see the project wither but I can completely understand the reasoning
[14:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, just life moved on here
[14:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: won't be out at CHC tonight heads up
[14:02] <rick_h_> but nothing on MUG night for the first time in a while :)
[14:03] <cmaloney> Understandable.
[14:03] <rick_h_> so maybe make that
[14:03] <cmaloney> Woo woo!
[14:03] <cmaloney> Last week's CHC was... interesting
[14:03] <rick_h_> lol
[14:03] <rick_h_> how so?
[14:03] <cmaloney> Apparently there was a fashion show scheduled from 5ish to 8:30pm
[14:04] <cmaloney> some charity thing
[14:04] <cmaloney> so the place was packed.
[14:04] <cmaloney> Ended up being James and I meeting at my house.
[14:08] <cmaloney> But yeah, I was rather confused at the number of people in the coffeeshop.
[14:14] <_stink_> maybe there were all there for CHC
[14:15] <cmaloney> riiiiight
[14:16] <rick_h_> :)
[15:31] <cmaloney> brousch: Dammit
[15:31] <cmaloney> I'm resigning
[15:31] <brousch> I told you you had problems on the left and right!
[15:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, well I have a complete blind-spot to those edges. :(
[15:34] <brousch> They seem safe, but can be big problems
[15:42] <brousch> cmaloney: Your resignation bumped me up to 24k
[15:43] <cmaloney> Yay
[15:44] <cmaloney> Pretty sure I'm going to be at 50kyu soon. ;)
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> rolling comcast outages in your area
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> pretty much the worst day
[16:12] <cmaloney> :(
[16:12] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+CraigMaloney/posts/7Lebs5ykgf2
[16:12] <cmaloney> Here's some emergency cat photos
[16:15] <mrgoodcat> lol
[16:15] <mrgoodcat> <3 cats
[16:16] <mrgoodcat> lunch time
[17:29] <ColonelPanic001> <3 cats
[17:45] <_stink_> ..
[17:45] <rick_h_> I wish cats would die
[17:46] <rick_h_> especially after about...8 years
[17:46] <_stink_> haha
[18:06] <ColonelPanic001> ...
[18:06] <cmaloney> rick_h_: now now
[18:07] <cmaloney> Just because my cat is a spoiled brat doesn't mean you can't love her. :)
[18:09] <jrwren> i say that about my daughter every day.
[18:11] <phwelo> hm, got an interview at Ford.  anyone know anyone in IT over there?
[18:12] <greg-g> jrwren: hah
[18:12] <jrwren> phwelo: i'm so soarry :)
[18:13] <phwelo> i mean i already have a good stable job. the raise would be helpful but not OMFGMYLIFEROCKS helpful
[18:15] <wolfger> phwelo: I'm not sure, actually. Many of my coworkers are working on Ford projects, but they aren't Ford. I know some others, but they may or may not be Ford either. :-p
[18:16] <wolfger> when I was there briefly, I was in, essentially, "the outsource department". Everybody around me was non-Ford.
[18:17] <phwelo> wolfger: This would be "contract to hire" with a year contract
[18:17] <wolfger> hard to give up stable for that....
[18:17] <cscheib> phwelo: I"m sure I know someone over there
[18:18] <cscheib> what in IT would you be doing?
[18:18] <jrwren> phwelo: if it isn't a 50+% raise, its not worth going to the terrible, terrible place that is Ford. At least not for me, it isn't.
[18:18] <jrwren> come to think of it, I'd not do it for 50% more I'd need at least 100% more.
[18:19] <phwelo> here's the description if anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/49745Tu7
[18:19] <cscheib> I haven't heard much great about Ford recently either
[18:19] <cscheib> Chrysler's (IBM) OK if you don't have to deal with upper management (Senior Managers/Directors/CxO)
[18:20] <phwelo> well i'm really interested in ditching the windows and SMB world and getting into a tech company, but have found it really hard to get myself the experience I need.  I'm kind of wondering if I can't use ford to learn more (while earning a decent salary) and then move to a company i'll like
[18:20] <cscheib> phwelo: ah, I got the recruiter from TekSystems wanting me to spam that to my Puppet group
[18:20] <cscheib> HPC stuff may actually be interesting
[18:21] <cscheib> and doing config management is pretty neat.
[18:21] <cscheib> phwelo: I may be able to get the pay range on that so you know what to ask for
[18:21] <phwelo> it's the space i want to be in, just not sure if i need to go as far as to work for a huge corporation to get that experience.
[18:21] <wolfger> all I know about Ford is, a bunch of Chrysler people jumped ship to go there. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement though.
[18:21] <phwelo> also, i drive a chevy, do i auto-lose?
[18:22] <cscheib> wolfger: how long ago?  that could have been force-jump due to CSC leaving and IBM coming n
[18:23] <jrwren> phwelo: oh that is sweet, ford's HPC group seemed pretty awesome.
[18:23] <cscheib> phwelo: don't expect preferred parking
[18:24] <wolfger> Ford seems much less anal about what their people drive than Chrysler is. At least, at the tech center in Dearborn
[18:24] <wolfger> csc ain't left yet
[18:25] <phwelo> yeah my wife was with porsche for a little bit and she said her parking situation sucked pretty bad
[18:26] <wolfger> These were all very-voluntary changes in the past 2 years
[18:26] <cscheib> oh? I know a lot of the CSC folk are gone, at least in infrastructure
[18:26] <cscheib> 2 years is around the time Chrysler started letting CSC know they were out :P
[18:26] <jrwren> she drove a porsche or she worked for htem?
[18:26] <wolfger> I work in systems. No changes in personnel there yet. Still a CSC show
[18:27] <wolfger> will probably be the last to go, since IBM won't have any experienced people in our in-house systems
[18:27] <phwelo> jrwren: worked, but they got to drive them as part of training.  it actually seriously changed her attitude toward cars & driving
[18:27] <wolfger> s/our/their/  I have to remember I'm not them anymore :-)
[18:27] <jrwren> phwelo: a porsche will do that :)
[18:28] <cmaloney> I worked at ford until 2003
[18:28] <phwelo> i've yet to drive one, but i already enjoy a quick car
[18:28] <phwelo> plan on owning one some day :|
[18:28] <cscheib> wolfger: ah.  I used to manage the storage/backup group for CSC, and I'm pretty sure that's officially hit EMC via IBM.


[22:43] <protn> he wants u to give bug report
[22:43] <devslash> i explained the problem in specific detail
[22:44] <nicomachus> gorelative: I'm not adding some random ppa to my host file, thanks.
[22:44] <kk4ewt> devslash,  and with that attitude why would anyone want to help you
[22:44] <nicomachus> devslash: why upgrade a virtual instead of just installing a new one?
[22:44] <devslash> logged into ubuntu 16.04. Prompted to upgrade to 16.10, did so,removed obsolete packages,rebooted, computer doesn't boot says CPU #0 stuck for 23 s
[22:44] <devslash> thats stupid
[22:44] <protn> devslash: why did u do it
[22:44] <devslash> why would I do that ?
[22:44] <devslash> do what
[22:44] <protn> 16.04 to 16.10
[22:44] <protn> why
[22:45] <protn> its silly
[22:45] <nicomachus> protn: stop.
[22:45] <devslash> why wouldnt i
[22:45] <nicomachus> you aren't helping.
[22:45] <protn> nicomachus: well would u do it?
[22:45] <OerHeks> devslash, we are missing what gpu exactly
[22:45] <devslash> im glad i didnt attempt to upgrade any of my other ubuntu machines
[22:46] <devslash> i dunno whatever one virtualbox uses
[22:47] <guest100> !bridge-utils
[22:47] <guest100> Hunh.
[22:47] <postmodern> is there a wrapper script to pass upstart's start|stop|restart commands to systemctl?
[22:47] <devslash> can you guys help me out
[22:48] <devslash> this is clearly a bug in ubuntu's installer
[22:48] <guest100> So, anyone know how to get a version of bridge-utils installed on ubuntu? I want to set up a router with both wired and wifi, but b-u is not in apt, and I need it.
[22:49] <OerHeks> devslash, i wouldn't think of upgrading ubuntu 16.04 > 16.10 in a virtualbox thingy.
[22:49] <devslash> why ? I did it with past version and its always worked fine
[22:51] <squinty> guest100:   bridge-utils    - Utilities for configuring the Linux Ethernet shows up in repos here on 16.04
[22:52] <guest100> I'm on 14.04, that may be why...
[22:54] <lordcirth> !info bridge-utils trusty
[22:55] <squinty> guest100:  it also show on  my 14.04 as being available
[22:55] <guest100> Wait, wot.
[22:55] <guest100> Then why on here does it show up not found?
[22:56] <bardock> hello
[22:57] <ShayBox> would anyone know how i could setup "start (command/path here)" to launch a second X session with openbox and that program? i've gotten the cmd working, but i cant get both openbox and the program to launch at the same time...
[22:58] <squinty> guest100: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bridge-utils&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all
[22:58] <bardock> do you mean two X session at the same time?
[22:59] <ShayBox> Yes, but the second one running as :1 and vt8 (i got that working)
[22:59] <campeche> ey
[22:59] <Ivana> Hello
[22:59] <Ivana> :)
[23:00] <campeche> como esta la comunida
[23:00] <Bashing-om> !es | campeche
[23:01] <Ivana> can someone help me, when i run sudo apt-get update, i get Invalid 'Date' entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/developer.download.nvidia.com_compute_cuda_repos_ubuntu1604_x86%5f64_Release
[23:02] <lordcirth> Ivana, that probably means that nvidia's repo has an invalid Date entry.  Are you sure you need that repo?
[23:03] <bardock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
[23:03] <Ivana> yeah
[23:03] <Ivana> lordcirth I need cuda :/
[23:04] <lordcirth> Ivana, I assume you mean a more recent version of cuda?  Because cuda is in main repos
[23:04] <ShayBox> and i need a gpu that will work with higher than nvidia-340 but we dont always get what we want lol
[23:05] <Ivana> lordcirth what im trying to do is install tensorflow, it is telling me it needs Cuda toolkit 7.5 and CUDNN
[23:05] <lordcirth> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[23:05] <lordcirth> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit xenial
[23:05] <lordcirth> Oh, I guess I have a ppa too
[23:06] <Ivana> i have a gtx 1070 if it helps at all
[23:07] <lordcirth> 'apt show nvidia-cuda-toolkit' tells me it's in Multiverse
[23:07] <Ivana> i dont know what that means lol
[23:07] <lordcirth> One of the official repos
[23:07] <lordcirth> Then why doesn't ubottu show it?
[23:07] <guest100> Ah, found the problem, maybe. I didn't update the install after the original install from ISO.... So many packages to update....
[23:08] <lordcirth> Ivana, look in /etc/apt/sources.list and see if multiverse is enabled
[23:08] <ShayBox> @bardok i got it working, openbox and the program launch in a new X session, but if i run that session as root it wont start openbox... any reason why?
[23:09] <Ivana> i see a lot of entries, how do i know which are enabled?
[23:09] <Ivana> there are a few lines with the term multiverse in it
[23:10] <lordcirth> Ivana, well, are they commented out or not?
[23:10] <Ivana> nope
[23:11] <lordcirth> then they are enabled
[23:11] <Ivana> okay
[23:11] <Ivana> i think i need to remove that line  that im getting the error from before using other packages though
[23:11] <lordcirth> And therefore you should have a 'nvidia-cuda-toolkit' package in main repos
[23:11] <lordcirth> Yes, you need to remove the nvidia ppa
[23:12] <Ivana> do you know how to do that by any chance?
[23:12] <bardock> @Shaybox good question!
[23:13] <User123> Hey, guys. Trying to use gs to merge some PDF files but getting "Error: /undefinedfilename". Could I link to the Pastebin that has my code and see if anybody could help out?
[23:13] <Bashing-om> Ivana: If this helps : " sysop@x1604:~$ apt list nvidia-cuda-toolkit >> nvidia-cuda-toolkit/xenial 7.5.18-0ubuntu1 amd64 " It is there .
[23:13] <bardock> @Shaybox try to open the openbox app as root after the two session has been launch
[23:14] <ShayBox> that works
[23:14] <ShayBox> but it wont start with it :/
[23:16] <ShayBox> @bardock heres the script im using, its the ArchWiki's one with some slight changes http://paste.ubuntu.com/23346239/ maybe that will give some insight
[23:16] <Ivana> i dont know how to remove the ppa
[23:17] <squinty> !ppa-purge
[23:18] <surgy> can someone please help me to get minecraft to work? im running 16.04 lts
[23:19] <ShayBox> surgy add the "peeps ppa" on google, then sudo apt-get install minecraft-installer (thats how i do it)
[23:19] <Ivana> okay i just rm -rf it from the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and it works now
[23:19] <Ivana> hopefully i never broke annything
[23:19] <surgy> ShayBox, got a tut?
[23:19] <Ben64> surgy: not really on topic here, but 1. install java, 2. download minecraft, 3. java -jar minecraft.jar
[23:20] <ShayBox> surgey, http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/easily-install-minecraft-in-ubuntu-via.html (follow that)
[23:20] <surgy> Ben64, thats what i tried first
[23:20] <Ben64> surgy: and?
[23:21] <niytro> I've done an archbang installation with LVM on LUKS and I edited GRUB to pull a keyfile from a USB stick to unlock the partitions. Is this possible with a full disk encryption install of Ubuntu 16.10?
[23:22] <daniel__> chaospsychex
[23:23] <chaospsychex> i'm on ubuntu 12.04 and I can't get root access after turning on automatic logins
[23:24] <niytro> chaospsychex, im a newbie but i read root is disabled by default and sudo is recommended?
[23:24] <chaospsychex> niytro, doesn't work
[23:24] <chaospsychex> niytro, says my password is wrong when i know it's right
[23:25] <niytro> chaospsychex, can you change your password in the users app?
[23:25] <lion4407> well i looked online and others are having issues
[23:25] <gorelative> looks like Packages isnt on the ubuntu archive
[23:25] <chaospsychex> niytro, no because i can't even unlock it
[23:25] <lion4407> apparently there is a problem
[23:25] <Caluser2000> That's interesting. What about su?
[23:25] <gorelative> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/
[23:25] <gorelative> no Packages..
[23:25] <niytro> chaospsychex, reinstall?
[23:26] <chaospsychex> i've basically broken 12.04 by turning on auto login
[23:26] <chaospsychex> niytro, are you serious? wow
[23:26] <niytro> chaospsychex, you said you didnt have access but its on auto login?
[23:26] <ShayBox> people still use 12.04...?
[23:26] <niytro> thats what i was thinking
[23:26] <Caluser2000> Why not
[23:26] <chaospsychex> yes people still use 12.04
[23:26] <chaospsychex> god damn
[23:26] <surgy> ShayBox, i installed from peeps and now it tries to start but doesnt
[23:26] <niytro> seems pretty dated but i guess if it does the intended job
[23:26] <Caluser2000> If it works.
[23:27] <ShayBox> surgy, can you paste.ubuntu.com the error if there is one?
[23:27] <chaospsychex> Caluser2000, thank you for logic
[23:27] <niytro> chaospsychex, my bad i assumed it was maybe a fresh install
[23:27] <OerHeks> chaospsychex, you might be in trouble, 12.04 is EOl and you missed important fixes that are used in the wild. nobody can tell if you are hacked.
[23:27] <surgy> ShayBox, i dont know how to start it from terminal...... so it just flashes the icon in the unity bar for a few seconds and goes away
[23:28] <Caluser2000> chaospsychex: I'm using an even older distro. ;)
[23:28] <ShayBox> oh right, run "java -jar /usr/share/minecraft/minecraft.jar" in terminal
[23:28] <rhollan> Is there a snappy core chatroom anyone knows about?
[23:28] <OerHeks> #snappy
[23:29] <rhollan> thanks, wasn't sure
[23:29] <niytro> I did a full disk encryption install on 16.10, is it possible to have grub unlock the drive from a keyfile on a usb stick instead of entering a password?
[23:29] <surgy> ShayBox, A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
[23:29] <surgy> #
[23:29] <surgy> #  SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00007f75215a4009, pid=2035, tid=2036
[23:29] <surgy> #
[23:30] <ShayBox> surgy: can you type java -version and tell me the version?
[23:32] <surgy> openjdk version "9-internal"
[23:32] <surgy> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 9-internal+0-2016-04-14-195246.buildd.src)
[23:32] <surgy> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 9-internal+0-2016-04-14-195246.buildd.src, mixed mode)
[23:33] <ShayBox> yea... maybe try getting java 8, package "default-jre"
[23:33] <surgy> ShayBox, how to purge openjdk?
[23:34] <surgy> is it sudo apt-get purge openjdk-/*
[23:34] <lordcirth> niytro, a quick search finds this: http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
[23:34] <ShayBox> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge openjdk-*
[23:37] <surgy> ShayBox, thnx brah! come to #surger sometime!
[23:41] <et09_> how is radeon support on linux these days?
[23:43] <niytro> et09_, im running mobility radeon in my laptop and since ubuntu 16 there is no more proprietary driver support for the time being, its open source drivers only, performance in CS:GO is kinda meh compared to W7
[23:44] <et09_> it's for employees @ job not involving 3d rendering
[23:44] <et09_> just trying to make sure it's not really glitched - proprietary or OSS O
[23:44] <et09_> OK *
[23:45] <niytro> my ubuntu 16.10 runs very well
[23:45] <ShayBox> my KDE Neon (16.04 based) works well
[23:45] <ShayBox> but im on nvidia.. so Kappa
[23:45] <niytro> lol
[23:55] <Bray90820> Someone was helping me with ubuntu 16.10 and this is the information they found
[23:55] <Bray90820> reposting this in hopes of a second pair of eyes seeing what I'm missing: http://pastebin.com/raw/8GmUeSg1. This is Bray90820's lshw. *-multimedia UNCLAIMED caught my eye
[23:55] <Bray90820> Anyone have an answer to those errors?
[23:57] <df00z1> Hey - there are several key packages that conflict with eachother.  Should I email the package maintainers?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/amd64/libxi-dev/filelist  http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/i386/libxi-dev/filelist for example
[23:57] <df00z1> there are open bugs too,
[23:58] <dxiri> guys, I need my server to have the old naming conventions instead of the new ones, running ubuntu 16.04
[23:59] <dxiri> how can I do that? I have set some kernel options but they are not working for some reason