[00:00] <BUGabundo> and sea water
[00:00] <asac> yeah
[00:00] <BUGabundo> ok either I'm to sleepy
[00:01] <asac> me too
[00:01] <BUGabundo> or you guys are messing my jokes on purposed
[00:01] <BUGabundo> the 1st joke was meant to asac not fta2
[00:01] <asac> hehe
[00:01] <BUGabundo> the 2nd to fta not asac
[00:02] <asac> yeah its funny, but i am too tired to recognize
[00:02] <asac> ;)
[00:02] <asac> so i will leave the room 'night!
[00:02] <BUGabundo> night
[00:02] <asac> maybe my dreams will tell me whats going on with npw
[00:02] <asac> that would be better than debugging it ;)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> you dream of work?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> when I dream, I dream with nice stuff
[00:03] <BUGabundo> like travels, girls, food, fun
[00:03] <asac> aha ;)
[00:03] <asac> work is fun for me ;)
[00:04] <asac> but no, i dont dream of work
[00:04] <asac> my dreams get work done ;)
[00:04] <BUGabundo> (12:02:39 AM) asac: maybe my dreams will tell me whats going on with npw
[00:04] <BUGabundo> ahhahaahahah
[00:04] <ricspencer3> g'night asac
[00:06] <BUGabundo> hey ricspencer3
[00:07] <fta2> i'll call it a day too, my desktop is still scratching the disks like crazy
[00:08] <fta2> too many crashes and regressions today
[00:42] <micahg> asac: you might want to remind people that running devel versions of distros = unexpected surprises
[00:46] <rickspencer3> micahg: good point
[00:46] <rickspencer3> I kind of thought that you ran them to help test and stuff
[00:47] <micahg> yeah, and to try new stuff that no one's seen before and get feedback as asac wrote
[00:47] <micahg> if people want consistency, you don't install a devel release
[00:48] <rickspencer3> I've found that no matter where I worked in software ...
[00:48] <wgrant> Is that about that annoying search change?
[00:48] <micahg> yeah
[00:48] <rickspencer3> of the vocal critics, some percentage always think you are an idiot, and some think you are evil
[00:48] <rickspencer3> no matter what you do
[00:48] <rickspencer3> wgrant: yes
[00:48] <BUGabundo> hey wgrant
[00:48] <rickspencer3> hi wgrant
[00:48] <wgrant> Hi BUGabundo, rickspencer3.
[00:48] <BUGabundo> look you guys know me
[00:49] <BUGabundo> and I'm vocally against the co-search
[00:49] <rickspencer3> "co-search"?
[00:49] <wgrant> I have to say that I don't see how anybody could have thought it was a good idea, but strange things do happen.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> it lacks lots of Google features, changes the expected behaviour of a browsers on cross plataform
[00:49] <rickspencer3> wgrant: well, the primary goal is to learn what pieces of the firefox UI users use for different kinds of searching
[00:49] <BUGabundo> sure add a new Search engine and make it default, on first time and *ask*
[00:49] <rickspencer3> the only way to discover that required using the "custom search" page
[00:50] <wgrant> Now Ubuntu even uses a different, crippled search engine to the rest of the world.
[00:50] <BUGabundo> wgrant: +1
[00:50] <rickspencer3> this was only intended to use for a while in the alpha to inform how to develop feature s and such
[00:50] <wgrant> I see.
[00:50] <micahg> wgrant: it's still alpha3
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I just find myself having to type google.com on awesomebar
[00:50] <wgrant> That could have been explained somewhere, perhaps.
[00:50] <rickspencer3> it's super easy to turn off
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I keep telling ppl they have a search bar for that!!!
[00:50] <wgrant> Because lots of changes like this stick forever unless there is much objection.
[00:51] <rickspencer3> well ... this was never intended as an implementation
[00:51] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: I have no probs with it being *easy* to turn off
[00:51] <wgrant> Also, you've just hugely skewed your results by doing this.
[00:51] <rickspencer3> wgrant: how so
[00:51] <rickspencer3> ?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> I have probs with it changing a very key use, without prior knowlage
[00:52] <wgrant> rickspencer3: Nobody is going to use the search box any more.
[00:52] <rickspencer3> wgrant: which one?
[00:52] <rickspencer3> there are four
[00:52] <wgrant> rickspencer3: The top right.
[00:52] <wgrant> Four? I only know of three.
[00:53] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:53] <rickspencer3> the two changes from the add on are:
[00:53] <rickspencer3> 1. new tab brings up the search page
[00:53] <rickspencer3> 2. All searches go through custom search
[00:53] <rickspencer3> (again #2 is just an artifact of collecting the data, and ..
[00:53] <rickspencer3> is not meant to be an implementation)
[00:54] <BUGabundo> wgrant: rickspencer3 even awesomebar now makes use of it :(
[00:54] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: right, that's one of the four places
[00:54] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: I opened a bug on the NewTab
[00:54] <wgrant> rickspencer3: You couldn't use a redirector?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I like to have a blank newtab
[00:54] <BUGabundo> and now I can't!
[00:54] <rickspencer3> wgrant: believe me ... this is hard than it may seem
[00:54] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: mmm
[00:54] <BUGabundo> plus it breaks the Newtab==HomePage
[00:54] <rickspencer3> yeah, I think if we do a new tab feature, it would need to be fully configurable
[00:55] <BUGabundo> more code on FF yay :(
[00:55] <rickspencer3> well, new tab was supposed to be a big feature in ff 3.5
[00:55] <rickspencer3> but it didn't make it
[00:55] <rickspencer3> so this should be helpful for them if we see how many people do a search from new tab
[00:56] <rickspencer3> sorry it's annoying, but like a lot of testing, it will be very helpful in the long run
[00:56] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: does it work normally for you if you turn off the add on?
[00:57] <BUGabundo> let me restart FF
[00:58] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: No
[00:58] <BUGabundo> I get a blank page
[00:59] <bluekuja> asac, I added a note for you on planet debian
[00:59] <BUGabundo> why didn't asac tell me that in the 1st place!!
[00:59] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: is that not what you wanted?
[00:59] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: y
[00:59] <rickspencer3> I'm confused ...
[00:59] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, asac left?
[00:59] <rickspencer3> asac: went to sleep
[00:59] <rickspencer3> it's quite late there
[00:59] <BUGabundo> bluekuja: sleeping
[00:59] <BUGabundo> like I should be doing
[01:00] <BUGabundo> tommorow won't be a very productive day
[01:00] <BUGabundo> hope I don't mess any server
[01:00] <BUGabundo> or I'll blame you guys
[01:00] <rickspencer3> heh
[01:00] <BUGabundo> for starting this talk so late!!!
[01:00] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: before you go ...
[01:00] <BUGabundo> shoot
[01:00] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, lol
[01:00] <BUGabundo> 1am now
[01:00] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, you from?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> portugal
[01:00] <bluekuja> 2 am here
[01:00] <rickspencer3> are you saying that when you disable the plugin firefox works the way you want?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: yes
[01:01] <rickspencer3> phew
[01:01] <BUGabundo> one of the ~30 addons I have :)
[01:01] <rickspencer3> had me worried there for a moment
[01:01] <BUGabundo> why
[01:01] <BUGabundo> ?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I replied "y"
[01:02] <BUGabundo> as in Yes
[01:02] <rickspencer3> I was confused
[01:02] <rickspencer3> as I said
[01:02] <BUGabundo> (12:58:45 AM) freenode: rickspencer3: No
[01:02] <BUGabundo> (12:58:50 AM) freenode: I get a blank page
[01:02] <BUGabundo> that was a reply to as in the plugin still works
[01:03] <rickspencer3> right, but my question was ambiguous, "does it work normally"
[01:03] <rickspencer3> in any case, I am not confused now
[01:03] <rickspencer3> well ... maybe a little
[01:03] <rickspencer3> :)
[01:04]  * BUGabundo $ sle -ep; echo load /dev/urandom /dev/eyes
[03:58] <LLStarks> asac. i'm curious, who ordered the implementation of multisearch?
[07:32] <micahg> can we add a note on the FF lp bug submission page about not adding credentials
[09:16] <asac> bluekuja: oh cool. didnt know you had a blog ;)
[09:16] <asac> bluekuja: now you need to microblog ;)
[09:25] <asac> bluekuja: did you talk to siretart yet too?
[09:26] <bluekuja> asac, he sponsored me bitstormlite, but now I'll have fische ready in like 2 hours
[09:26] <bluekuja> asac, are you available for it?
[09:26] <bluekuja> asac, btw what's microblog?
[09:39] <asac> bluekuja: twitter/identi.ca
[09:39] <asac> bluekuja: i will sponsor cgmail today. thats all i can do today.
[09:39] <bluekuja> asac, fische
[09:39] <bluekuja> you mean
[09:39] <bluekuja> cgmail is done already
[09:39] <asac> bluekuja: no cgmail ... which is what you asked me todo
[09:40] <bluekuja> cgmail is already in, gonna mail you fische details in a two hours
[09:40] <asac> bluekuja: did you send me a mail about cgmail?
[09:40] <bluekuja> asac, yes, but it got done
[09:40] <bluekuja> asac,
[09:41] <bluekuja> and yesterday i told you about fische I guess
[09:41] <asac> ok. please update me if sponsoring requests get invalid ;)
[09:42] <bluekuja> asac, yep, sorry, I would have said that on IRC anyway :)
[09:42] <asac> bluekuja: well, i almost did it last night ... that would have been wasted time ;)
[09:42] <bluekuja> asac, yeah, sorry m8
[09:42] <asac> bluekuja: anyway. fische is new upstream?
[09:42] <asac> or bug fixes?
[09:42] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[09:42] <bluekuja> new up
[09:43] <bluekuja> asac, upstream included my changes
[09:43] <bluekuja> I'm so happy about it ^^
[09:43] <asac> great
[09:43] <bluekuja> they even took my gpl header
[09:43] <bluekuja> with my mail
[09:43] <bluekuja> lol
[10:30] <bluekuja> asac, mail sent
[11:11] <asac> bluekuja: bzr upgrade your branches ;)
[11:12] <asac> e.g. just bzr upgrade lp:~bluekuja/fische/upstream.source and debian.source
[11:12] <bluekuja> k
[11:13] <asac> bluekuja: so which revision is the last release?
[11:13] <asac> (note that its important to have a release commit ;))
[11:13] <bluekuja> asac, they were already updated
[11:13] <asac> bluekuja: please do a debcommit -r
[11:13] <asac> _now_
[11:13] <bluekuja> k
[11:13] <asac> and everytime do that when you upload
[11:13] <bluekuja> k
[11:13] <asac> so which revision was the last released? 11?
[11:14] <bluekuja> no one
[11:14] <asac> fische was never uploaded`
[11:14] <asac> ?
[11:14] <bluekuja> it was uploaded yes
[11:14] <bluekuja> but branches has been created now
[11:14] <bluekuja> old ones were broken
[11:14] <asac> bluekuja: the branches have commits from 2007
[11:14] <asac> dont tell me thats not old ;)
[11:15] <bluekuja> 2007?
[11:15] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:15] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/230030/
[11:15] <bluekuja> debian one yes
[11:15] <bluekuja> yes yes
[11:15] <bluekuja> debian.source yes
[11:15] <asac> i am current talking about debian.source
[11:15] <asac> upstream probably has one commit per new upstream you upload
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac, rev 11 was latest
[11:15] <asac> i see that it was latests, but did that match exactly what was uploaded?
[11:16] <bluekuja> yes, rev 11 was the one uploaded
[11:16] <bluekuja> it was a bug fix
[11:16] <asac> k
[11:19] <bluekuja> asac, debcommit -r says me no changelog
[11:19] <bluekuja> asac, it tries to find it on debian/changelog
[11:19] <bluekuja> and not in ./
[11:20] <bluekuja> asac, is there a way to add a path to search it?
[11:20] <bluekuja> like --dir ./
[11:20] <asac> bluekuja: you say in changelog that you got rid of your changes because upstream applied them, but you didnt remove anything (like a patch etc) in that commit
[11:21] <asac> bluekuja: yes. -c
[11:21] <asac> debcommit -c changelog -r
[11:21] <bluekuja> asac, yes, changes were made directly on the source makefiles
[11:21] <asac> you should use debcommit all the time btw
[11:21] <asac> e.g. add new changelog content
[11:21] <asac> then run debcommit -c changelog FILE1 FILE2 FILE3 changelog
[11:21] <asac> this will commit stuff using bzr using the changelog comment
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, oh cool
[11:22] <asac> bluekuja: directly to the source makefiles?
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, yes
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, some dirs were wrong on the makefiles
[11:22] <asac> bluekuja: also debcommit will automatically attach your branches to the launchpad bug if you have like "LP: #xxxx" in the changelog
[11:22] <asac> bluekuja: ok. so you modified the orig.tar.gz
[11:22] <asac> in future dont do that again ;)
[11:22] <bluekuja> asac, yes
[11:22] <bluekuja> ok^^
[11:23] <asac> ok checking if it builds here on ubuntu ... wonder if there are any real improvements upstream
[11:24] <asac> bluekuja: release commit pushed?
[11:24] <bluekuja> asac, just a second and its done
[11:24] <asac> k
[11:26] <asac> http://identi.ca/asac
[11:26] <bluekuja> asac, still tries to get it into debian/changelog
[11:26] <bluekuja> also with the -c rule
[11:27] <asac> yeah its a bug
[11:27] <bluekuja> asac, that thing rocks
[11:27] <bluekuja> it's really nice
[11:28] <asac> bluekuja: i think you might need to update timestamp; do dch -r -Dunstable; debcommit -r -c changelog
[11:29] <bluekuja> asac, to fix debcommit thing?
[11:31] <bluekuja> let's see if it works
[11:33] <bluekuja> asac, it doesnt work
[11:33] <bluekuja> asac, adds a wrong tag
[11:33] <bluekuja> asac, bzr tags >/dev/null 2>&1
[11:33] <bluekuja> bzr tag
[11:33] <bluekuja> Created tag .
[11:34] <bluekuja> debcommit is a bit bugged, isnt it?
[11:34] <bluekuja> :)
[11:36] <bluekuja> asac, gonna make a identi.ca account later
[11:37] <asac> bluekuja: debcommit is quite mature. i think the -r feature is new and probably buggy for top level debian branches
[11:37] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[11:37] <bluekuja> asac, going out for lunch
[11:37] <bluekuja> asac, need to dress up
[11:37] <bluekuja> ^^
[11:38] <asac> bluekuja: manual way is to: dch -r -Dunstable; bzr commit -m "* RELEASE  0.0-1 to debian/unstable"
[11:38] <bluekuja> asac, is the same for you if I do that later?
[11:38] <asac> dch -r -Dunstable -c changelog
[11:38] <bluekuja> or need it now?
[11:38] <asac> how likely is it that you forget?
[11:38] <asac> :)
[11:39] <bluekuja> lol
[11:39] <bluekuja> I add a todo
[11:39] <asac> bluekuja: oh. the timestamp of changelog is updated in a release commit
[11:39] <bluekuja> for it
[11:39] <asac> so it would be better. just run the command line above
[11:39] <asac> and adjust the version
[11:39] <asac> its a matter of one second ;)
[11:39] <bluekuja> ok
[11:43] <bluekuja> asac, should be done
[11:44] <bluekuja> asac, wait email
[11:45] <bluekuja> asac, fixed
[11:48] <asac> bluekuja: there is again no real release commit
[11:48] <asac> bluekuja: you changed the email afterwards
[11:48] <asac> uncommit twice
[11:49] <asac> commit with the same message
[11:49] <asac> then you are done man ;)
[11:49] <asac> do you understand the purpose of release commits at all or do you feel thats a bad thing?
[11:50] <bluekuja> asac, yes, release commits are usefull for tagging an uploaded rev
[11:50] <asac> anyway i can upload with current state. but please, fix it
[11:50] <bluekuja> into the archive
[11:50] <asac> why are they useful? ;)
[11:50] <bluekuja> look now
[11:50] <bluekuja> asac, for you to remember which rev got uploaded
[11:50] <bluekuja> :D
[11:50] <bluekuja> for me as well
[11:51] <asac> yeah thats the right apporach
[11:51] <bluekuja> without the need to ask which rev was uploaded
[11:51] <asac> have fun
[11:51] <bluekuja> ty, gonna add you on identi.ca later
[11:51] <bluekuja> bbl
[11:55] <asac> bug 512111
[11:56] <asac> debian bug 512111
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have the xulrunner-1.9 removal bug handy? you opened it from fix released to inprogress
[12:03] <gnomefreak> we have duplicate
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: removal?
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: you mean the alternatives problem when you remove the last xulrunner?
[12:06] <asac> the bug id should be in the last commits
[12:06] <asac> i think i dented about it let me check
[12:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:07] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.2.head/revision/480
[12:07] <asac> hmm ... no bug id ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:07]  * asac bad
[12:08] <asac> the xulrunner bug list shoulndt be that long
[12:08] <asac> bug 390664
[12:08] <gnomefreak> you would think. let me check
[12:08] <asac> 1.9.1 has just 5 bugs
[12:08] <gnomefreak> oh damn that was fast
[12:08] <asac> you could have found it
[12:08] <asac> ;)
[12:08] <asac> i am sure
[12:08] <gnomefreak> i was going to look
[12:08] <asac> maybe thats the dupe
[12:08] <asac> the other looked different iirc
[12:09] <gnomefreak> not same bug. same bug not the one i was thinking of
[12:09] <asac> 1.9 buglist shouldnt be too long either
[12:09] <asac> hmm 128 bugs
[12:09] <asac> all the epiphany crashes
[12:09] <asac> i think someone should merge them into a sink that is wont fix ;)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> i found all 4 of them
[12:10] <gnomefreak> only they are not the one either.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> nope no luck
[12:11] <asac> bug 390664 bug 400848
[12:12] <gnomefreak> asac: we have have issues some of these are not the same it looks like
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bug 3.6190 is not the same as well this one is unusale but its his repos i think
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 390664 care to translate ? its either dutch or german
[12:14] <asac> hmm
[12:15] <asac> that looks bad actually
[12:15] <asac> meaning we already had the same problem in jaunty and upgrades are breaking
[12:15] <asac> why doesnt it happen for lots of other people
[12:16] <gnomefreak> asac: dont know but thats like saying why does my sound not work and yours does :)
[12:16] <asac> no its not
[12:16] <asac> the prerm should fail for all that have only one xulrunner installed
[12:17] <gnomefreak> does he only have one xul installed?
[12:17] <asac> ok let me check in chroot
[12:19] <asac> it doesnt happen here
[12:21] <gnomefreak> persons set up? maybe. your using a chroot you use to build?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the orig error saying anything about corrupt:
[12:22] <gnomefreak> update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xulrunner corrupt: invalid update mode
[12:25] <gnomefreak> i havent gone through all the logs yet but will start when i get back in.
[12:27] <asac> yeah
[12:27] <asac> i think the fix is like what we did to ffox
[12:29] <gnomefreak> asac: m not sure if bug 404007 is the same as 270303 but i doubt it
[12:29] <gnomefreak> i still need my smake
[12:29] <gnomefreak> bug 27030
[12:29] <gnomefreak> damnit
[12:29] <gnomefreak> bug 270303
[12:42] <asac> gnomefreak: that bug might need a backport
[12:43] <gnomefreak> the update manager one is in Karmic it sounds like u-m and ubufox are warning him
[12:43] <asac> i dont see anything bad in the last comments
[12:43] <asac> looks good
[12:43] <asac> that bug is fixed
[12:43] <asac> "I just want to confirm that the latest upgrade (to FF 3.0.11) went very smoothly, with no repeated restart requests... only once. Thank you to everyone once again. you do good work."
[12:44] <asac> ok i am out getting cigarettes
[12:44] <asac> have a couple of calls afterwards and need to get some backup ;)
[12:45] <gnomefreak> have fun
[13:09] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[13:11] <bluekuja> asac, back
[13:16] <asac> yes let me check the upstream diff
[13:20] <asac> bluekuja: there are no bugs closed in changelog. thats correct?
[13:20] <bluekuja> asac, correct, no one reported a bug in the last year
[13:21] <bluekuja> asac, perfect package
[13:21] <bluekuja> ^^
[13:21] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/6931311
[13:22] <bluekuja> asac, ty alex
[13:22] <bluekuja> asac, will you come italy?
[13:22] <bluekuja> * to
[13:22] <asac> not this year ;)
[13:22] <bluekuja> aww
[13:22] <asac> maybe another year
[13:22] <bluekuja> asac, where do you live in germany?
[13:23] <asac> Hamburg
[13:23] <asac> see launchpad ;)
[13:23] <asac> there is a google map integrated
[13:23] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/
[13:24] <bluekuja> asac, aww that's far away from italy
[13:24] <asac> yeah
[13:24] <bluekuja> asac, I wanted to come to meet you, but that's definitely far away
[13:24] <asac> np
[13:24] <bluekuja> I live in the north-east part of italy
[13:24] <bluekuja> so near austria
[13:24] <asac> you should visit one of our next ubuntu conferences ;)
[13:25] <bluekuja> next one will be where'
[13:25] <bluekuja> ?
[13:25] <asac> though i think next one will be outside of EUROPE
[13:25] <bluekuja> aww
[13:25] <asac> we usually have one in europe and one outsied
[13:25] <asac> last was in barcelona
[13:25] <asac> so this one is most likely US
[13:25] <bluekuja> I guess why no conference are done in italy
[13:25] <asac> or maybe asia ;)
[13:26] <bluekuja> never heard of a debconf or ubuntu conf
[13:26] <bluekuja> in italy
[13:28] <bluekuja> asac, soon an italian friend will be DD, so I can meet him and have my key signed
[13:28] <asac> heh
[13:29] <bluekuja> asac, so I can ask the DM status
[13:32] <bluekuja> asac, the DM field can be added only when you get approved as a DM or also before?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> asac: did you change the new tab to blank tab or so far just thinking about it?
[13:38] <asac> bluekuja: i am not sure about DM procedure. at best get that info from somewhere else. i would just make guesses out of my guts
[13:39] <bluekuja> asac, ok
[13:39] <asac> gnomefreak: i made a firest comment in bug 402767 comment #8
[13:39] <bluekuja> asac, I'll let you when my key is signed
[13:39] <asac> we will post more info asap
[13:39] <bluekuja> * know
[13:40] <asac> bluekuja: yes, so far the key seems to be the main blocker - so lets see that happening first of all
[13:40] <asac> bluekuja: if you dont have many signatures consider to create a new one with high bitrate
[13:40] <asac> i am not sure, but there was a potential flaw nad a bunch of folks made a new key because of that
[13:41] <asac> fta2: so we might finally get new nss
[13:41] <gnomefreak> 3.5 is fixed atleast
[13:41] <asac> for hardy and newer
[13:41] <bluekuja> asac, ok, as soon as ftp-masters create his account
[13:41] <asac> bluekuja: you can get his signature before
[13:41] <bluekuja> asac, I gonna go to him to have my key signed
[13:41] <asac> its just not a signature of a DD before his account is created ;)
[13:42] <bluekuja> asac, but that doesnt count as official sign?
[13:42] <asac> if you get the signature now, it will count on the day he gets his account crated
[13:42] <asac> (assuming he uses the key he puts in the keyring for signing)
[13:42] <bluekuja> asac, true
[13:43] <bluekuja> asac, thanks for the hint
[13:43] <bluekuja> gonna talk to him later then
[15:02]  * gnomefreak hangs out for a little while. it doesnt look like i will be back until at least late next week after today
[15:59] <kenvandine> asac, so i assume the globalmenu is known to break ff3.5?
[16:01] <kenvandine> yup... that fixed it
[16:02] <eagles0513875> morning guys
[16:10] <eagles0513875> morning gnomefreak :)
[16:10] <asac> kenvandine: yes. thats crashy
[16:10] <asac> so you are a mac fan ;)?
[16:10] <kenvandine> asac, no... i hate mac
[16:10] <kenvandine> :)
[16:10] <asac> i think we should file a bug
[16:10] <asac> can you do that and try to get a backtrace?
[16:11] <kenvandine> but... i told myself it spend a week with that menu :)
[16:11] <kenvandine> yes
[16:11] <asac> against firefox-3.5 ... problem is that globalmenu is not even in the archive, so its probably not high prio
[16:11] <asac> i think global menu had a workaround for ffox 3
[16:11] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:11] <asac> and someone said to me they have to fix it for ffox 3.5 in the same way
[16:13] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/230629/
[16:17] <kenvandine> asac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/404156
[16:17] <kenvandine> damn
[16:17]  * kenvandine fixes
[16:17] <asac> kenvandine: apport crash?
[16:17] <asac> kenvandine: thats ok it takes a bit till it gets visible to us
[16:17] <asac> crash triagers
[16:17] <kenvandine> yes
[16:17] <kenvandine> i made it public
[16:18]  * kenvandine removes the globalmenu now
[16:19] <eagles0513875> asac: might be a mac fan but still love kubuntu
[16:19] <asac> kenvandine: do you know an upstream place for globamanu?
[16:19] <asac> kenvandine: maybe you could file a bug there too and link them?
[16:19] <kenvandine> dunno
[16:19] <kenvandine> got it
[16:21] <kenvandine> it is already filed... and also filed in LP... i marked mine a dupe
[16:24] <asac> kenvandine: thanks
[16:35] <fta2> asac, http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=330#c6
[17:12] <asac> fta: thats fantastic news
[17:13]  * asac wonders if he finds the time to try a head build of v8 today
[17:35] <asac> fta: hmm am i supposed to fix ffox 3.6 still?
[18:24] <fta> asac, i didn't have time, busy with work, half of my team is in holidays
[18:24] <asac> fta: thats ok, just was curious if its still on our plate
[18:24] <asac> (as i dont get build failures :()
[18:26] <fta> asac, i played with the lp api last week, i have a way to expose our ftbfs, but it's too slow
[18:27] <fta> bug 369112
[19:15] <LLStarks> bug 506317
[19:15] <LLStarks> bugzilla 506317
[19:15] <LLStarks> ...
[19:15] <LLStarks> fffffffffffff
[19:23] <LLStarks> rick
[19:24] <LLStarks> asac bug 404246
[19:24] <LLStarks> can you replicate?
[19:24] <LLStarks> firefox 3.6
[19:24] <asac> i am out in a few minutes. i think i saw that on intel hardware a few days ago
[19:24] <asac> or i saw a bug about it
[19:24] <asac> now i am confused
[19:25] <asac> but dont see it here on ati
[19:25] <asac> LLStarks: are you running intel?
[19:25] <LLStarks> graphics?
[19:25] <asac> yes ... driver
[19:25] <LLStarks> yah
[19:25] <LLStarks> git
[19:25] <rickspencer3> oh, hi LLStarks
[19:25] <asac> yeah. then its probably a driver issue. actually i think it went a way ... maybe after restarting or something
[19:26] <asac> s/a way/away/
[19:26] <rickspencer3> this is probably a better place to discuss
[19:26] <LLStarks> no dice on restarts
[19:26] <asac> LLStarks: git directly or edgers?
[19:26] <LLStarks> edgers
[19:27] <asac> thats odd. when did it start?
[19:27] <asac> today?
[19:27] <LLStarks> 48 hours
[19:27] <LLStarks> i think
[19:27] <asac> can you see if downgrading the intel driver to whatever .deb you had before fixes it?
[19:27] <asac> would be extremely helpful as it would be quite a tight regression range
[19:28] <LLStarks> i'll ask the devs.
[19:29] <LLStarks> the edgers and karmic drivers are virtually the same though
[19:29] <LLStarks> and this is firefox 3.6 only
[19:30] <LLStarks> anyway, rickspencer3, who at canonical created and ordered the implementation of multisearch.
[19:30] <rickspencer3> LLStarks: why do you ask?
[19:31] <LLStarks> because the addon is causing quite a stir and you guys seem to be under some sort of gag order
[19:31] <rickspencer3> hmm
[19:31] <rickspencer3> not sure what gives the impression of a "gag order"
[19:32] <rickspencer3> I think I said all I have to say about the topic is all
[19:32] <LLStarks> asac and yourself have been quite suspicious with your choices of words
[19:32] <rickspencer3> how so?
[19:32]  * robbiew tries to understand what the big deal is
[19:33] <LLStarks> and you guys shoved this in 3 different versions of firefox including the ppa versions.
[19:33] <rickspencer3> right
[19:33] <LLStarks> 3.0 main. 3.5 main. 3.6 ppa. 3.5 ppa. 3.0 ppa.
[19:34]  * asac drops a quick note before leaving that this is the the case because all firefox versions share the same location for extensions
[19:34] <rickspencer3> bye bye asac
[19:34] <rickspencer3> have a good weekend
[19:34] <LLStarks> yes, but it was coded to work with all 3 versions.
[19:34] <asac> u2
[19:34] <rickspencer3> tx
[19:34] <LLStarks> including 3.6
[19:34] <rickspencer3> right
[19:35] <LLStarks> you wanted a catch-all testing audience
[19:35] <LLStarks> even the trunk users
[19:35] <rickspencer3> I think it was what asac said
[19:35] <e-jat> bye asac
[19:35] <rickspencer3> and we just wanted to try it out
[19:35] <LLStarks> then the behavior should've been well-documented
[19:35] <LLStarks> and included in the alpha 3 release notes
[19:36] <rickspencer3> hmm
[19:36] <rickspencer3> that's a fair point
[19:37] <LLStarks> even the most casual alpha 3 tester will think "somebody broke teh google"
[19:38] <rickspencer3> ok
[19:38] <robbiew> LLStarks: I'm confused...what's the big issue? the casual user is notified of the new plug-in at startup...if they don't like it...remove/disable it
[19:38] <LLStarks> i never saw such notification.
[19:39] <LLStarks> my point is, i see no need for all the secrecy. this change was readily apparent yet delivered stealthily with no warning or explanation.
[19:39] <rickspencer3> ok, noted
[19:39] <LLStarks> to the end-user
[19:39] <rickspencer3> this point has been made
[19:39] <LLStarks> what will be done to rectify that?
[19:39] <rickspencer3> rectify what?
[19:40] <LLStarks> the whole situation. canonical needs to improve or remove the extension with all deliberate speed.
[19:40] <rickspencer3> why?
[19:40] <robbiew> LLStarks: I did..checked it out...and didn't really care
[19:40] <LLStarks> the data collection can achieved without the fugly changes that have been made.
[19:41] <LLStarks> *can be
[19:41] <rickspencer3> no they can't
[19:41] <rickspencer3> as I said in my response
[19:41] <rickspencer3> on the bug
[19:42] <LLStarks> google custom search can be modified using an api, can it not?
[19:42] <LLStarks> http://code.google.com/apis/customsearch/
[19:42] <rickspencer3> not sure about that
[19:42] <LLStarks> it should be quite simple to restore core google functionality like images and news
[19:42] <rickspencer3> yeah
[19:43] <rickspencer3> as I mentioned in the bug, I understand that this is important to users
[19:43] <rickspencer3> and we won't proceed to make any real changes without taking that into account
[19:44] <rickspencer3> that was, in fact, the primary regression that was identified by the original bug reporter
[19:49] <LLStarks> rickspencer3. what data specifically is collected?
[19:49] <rickspencer3> each of the four areas that a user can search from has a channel id
[19:50] <rickspencer3> this data is passed to Google today
[19:50] <rickspencer3> we changed those identifiers so that we could, in turn, see which channels are used
[19:51] <rickspencer3> then we can use the same google tools that are commonly used for analysing search traffic and click throughs
[19:51] <rickspencer3> so essentially, we just get a scope on the google analytics
[19:52] <rickspencer3> LLStarks: is getting near my lunch time
[19:52] <LLStarks> okay. same here.
[19:53] <rickspencer3> anything other questions I can answer, etc..?
[19:53] <LLStarks> who is handling the data?
[19:53] <rickspencer3> (not trying to shut you up, but my stomach is growling ;) )
[19:53] <rickspencer3> well, Google handles the data for everybody
[19:53] <fta> asac, u gone? did you fix ff trunk or should I?
[19:54]  * rickspencer3 hopes asac is gone to enjoy a much needed break
[19:54] <LLStarks> sup fabien. what's broken today? :3
[19:54] <rickspencer3> well "deserved" anyone, I sometimes wonder if asac ever "needs" a break :)
[19:54] <rickspencer3> LLStarks: does that make sense?
[19:55] <rickspencer3> Google only shares the data with you if you own the channel id
[19:55] <rickspencer3> it's normal web site stuff
[19:55] <LLStarks> rick, i guess so.
[19:56] <LLStarks> thanks.
[19:56] <rickspencer3> no problems
[19:56] <rickspencer3> and thanks
[19:57] <rickspencer3> what happened to robbiew?
[19:57]  * rickspencer3 goes for a sandwhich
[19:58] <fta> LLStarks, usual -daily breakage, i usually fix it 1st, but i've been busy
[19:59] <LLStarks> would gif rendering fall under that? or is this merely packaging issues?
[20:01] <fta> nope
[20:01] <fta> i really don't have time to fight all bugs in bugzilla
[20:06] <fta> not to mention that i prefer to package and experiment with new stuff
[20:13] <fta> reed_, mozilla/browser/app/firefox-branding.js is gone?
[20:14] <fta> mozilla 504953
[21:11] <BUGabundo> ola
[21:30] <fta> lo
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[21:30] <BUGabundo> ehh
[21:30] <BUGabundo> poor asac... he is being head bashed
[21:30] <BUGabundo> on multisearch
[21:30] <BUGabundo> he doesn't even reply now :\
[21:31] <BUGabundo> and if he does show up
[21:31] <BUGabundo>  I have a few question for him
[21:31] <BUGabundo> many already asked all over the place
[21:31] <BUGabundo> this could have been done so diferently
[21:31] <BUGabundo> a blog, an email, telling us, user, all about it
[21:32] <reed_> fta: it moved to browser/branding/nightly/pref/firefox-branding.js ??
[21:32] <fta> reed_, too late
[21:33] <BUGabundo> hey reed_
[21:33] <fta> reed_, but even the new file contains broken urls
[21:34] <fta> +-pref("startup.homepage_override_url","http://www.mozilla.org/projects/%APP%/%VERSION%/whatsnew/");
[21:34] <fta> +-pref("startup.homepage_welcome_url","http://www.mozilla.org/projects/%APP%/%VERSION%/firstrun/");
[21:34] <fta> ++pref("startup.homepage_override_url","http://%LOCALE%.www.mozilla.com/%LOCALE%/firefox/%VERSION%/whatsnew/");
[21:34] <fta> ++pref("startup.homepage_welcome_url","http://%LOCALE%.www.mozilla.com/%LOCALE%/firefox/%VERSION%/firstrun/");
[21:34] <fta> (modulo the s/%APP%/firefox/ which is an ubuntu thing only)
[21:38] <reed_> hmm
[21:39] <reed_> fta: the www.mozilla.org ones are correct
[21:39] <reed_> for nightly
[21:43] <fta> for 3.5 before the release, it was always broken
[21:44] <fta> reed_, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.6a1pre/firstrun/ is broken
[21:45] <reed_> yes
[21:45] <reed_> that's normal
[21:48] <fta> i don't call that normal, it's broken
[21:48] <fta> if the link is not supposed to exist, drop the entry in the menu
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fta: its always broken pre-release
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hence _normal_
[21:50] <fta> BUGabundo, broken shouldn't be normal
[21:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:50] <BUGabundo> tell that to audio :)
[21:56] <fta> asac, !! what did you do?Using saved parent location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:56] <fta> bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('file:///src/bzr/firefox-3.1.head/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade.
[21:56] <fta> oh, right, he's not there..
[21:57] <asac> fta: looking in for a moment
[21:57] <asac> i dont know
[21:57] <asac> i didnt do anything. just used the branch
[21:57] <fta> Tags not supported
[21:57] <asac> fta: oh. yes, i think i know
[21:57] <asac> fta: i used debcommit -r to create the release commit
[21:57] <asac> that seems to create a tag iirc
[21:57] <asac> just upgreade your local branch i guess
[21:58] <asac> i definitly didnt run upgrade on the remote branch ... i would have noticed that
[21:58] <fta> fixed 3.6 btw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/231483/
[21:58] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:58] <BUGabundo> seems like FF3.6 now starts again
[21:59] <BUGabundo> but broke on my work debian machine
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no libgtk 1.7
[21:59] <BUGabundo> strange how Ubuntu is ahead SID :\
[22:01] <fta> we often are for gnome
[22:01] <BUGabundo> really?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> did not know that
[22:01] <fta> the french desktop guys are doing a good job ;)
[22:01] <asac> we are typically ahead for all things we take explicitly care of
[22:01] <BUGabundo> though our packages came from sid
[22:02] <BUGabundo> guys=seb
[22:02] <fta> +didrocks
[22:02] <fta> +lool
[22:02] <fta> all french
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:05] <asac> fta: looks good. so nightly is now where the milestone branding is?
[22:06] <asac> seems so
[22:06] <BUGabundo> hi asac... doing better now?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> or still bothered by all the replies?
[22:07] <fta> replies?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> fta: naggings
[22:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:07] <BUGabundo> LP, forums, blog, irc
[22:07] <BUGabundo> who knows, even private emails ;)
[22:07] <fta> bash                           1170837  99.91%     64367 1084963   21386     121
[22:07] <fta> dash                           1169882  99.83%    184557  980553    4619     153
[22:08] <fta> what are the others using??
[22:08] <fta> probably popcon discrepancy
[22:09] <BUGabundo> let me see
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I have both
[22:09] <BUGabundo> on a clean install
[22:09] <fta> dash is the default sh, unlike in debian
[22:10] <fta> csh                              18615   1.59%       604   17551     448      12
[22:10] <fta> tcsh                             12466   1.06%       640   11499     322       5
[22:10] <fta> yeah! i'm part of the 1.06% !
[22:11] <asac> BUGabundo: no. i played ETQW
[22:11] <asac> and ran a couple of searches ;)
[22:11] <asac> lol
[22:11] <fta> bud id?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahah
[22:12] <fta> bug
[22:12] <asac> bug?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> asac: now for real. who is behind this?
[22:12] <asac> which bug?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> which me??
[22:12] <fta> your search thingy
[22:12] <BUGabundo> are there more!?
[22:13] <asac> BUGabundo: i dont understand why you are asking that.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> fta: which one? there are 3
[22:13] <asac> fta: there are a few ... multsearch is the tag
[22:13] <BUGabundo> asac: which? the bug joke or multisearch?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> asac: you know Im curious
[22:13] <BUGabundo> and you have been avoiding the subject
[22:14] <fta> just want to have a good laugh
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I won't presure you , of course
[22:14] <asac> its me. i want go get rich quick instead of chatting in this channel :-P
[22:14] <BUGabundo> share it with us
[22:14] <asac> i dont know what i can share that isnt in the content ;) ... really!
[22:14] <BUGabundo> if you have read what I wrote
[22:14] <BUGabundo> as several other users
[22:14] <BUGabundo> it would have been a much better UX
[22:15] <BUGabundo> *if* this was pre-announced
[22:15] <asac> fta: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 ... multisearch in the tag field -> go
[22:16] <asac> BUGabundo: thats true. but also consider that it wouldnt have changed a thing
[22:16] <asac> BUGabundo: users would be pissed off, talking about getting exploited, their human rights sacrificed and so on
[22:16] <BUGabundo> would have reduced the flames
[22:16] <BUGabundo> asac: see the Know Your Rights from mozilla?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> that's what _we_ miss
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I consider this an offence
[22:17] <BUGabundo> not from you, of course, but the distro
[22:17] <asac> BUGabundo: Know Your Rights was much more fuzz
[22:17] <BUGabundo> it changed something for worse , just so *someone* could have collected data
[22:18] <BUGabundo> that _we_ don't even know what it is, and what it is for!
[22:20] <asac> BUGabundo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/24/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt
[22:20] <asac> read from 19:30
[22:20] <BUGabundo> time?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:31] <asac> BUGabundo: read it?
[22:32] <fta> BUGabundo, last chromium was not broken for you?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> asac: still reading
[22:34] <BUGabundo> am a slow reader
[22:34] <BUGabundo> that's why I have so much unread email
[22:34] <BUGabundo> fta: not on ubuntu
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I LOVE the NewTab of chromium
[22:34] <BUGabundo> 10000x better then FF
[22:34] <BUGabundo> plus it has recover pages woot
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I can't resist sharing this with you
[22:39] <BUGabundo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0l&
[22:39] <BUGabundo> asac: done
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I see we need to blame rickspencer3 instead :D
[22:39] <rickspencer3> I heard that
[22:39] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:40] <rickspencer3> rats
[22:40] <rickspencer3> BUGabundo: that link broke for me
[22:40] <fta> asac, all, any idea to improve the new chromium-browser man page is welcome
[22:41] <fta> btw, chromium has subpixel AA since today
[22:41] <BUGabundo> rickspencer3: I just copied it from FF, youtube
[22:41] <asac> fta: chromium-browser manpage ... do we really need that?
[22:41] <fta> asac, to please lintian ;)
[22:41] <asac> fta: chromium-browser
[22:41] <asac> exec: 87: -a: not found
[22:41] <fta> asac, it's not mine, it's from upstream
[22:41] <asac> (you asked if its broken)
[22:42] <asac> i usually ignore lintian ;)
[22:42] <fta> asac, yep, fixed in ~ucd2
[22:42] <fta> it was a bashism, proposed by upstream :P
[22:42] <asac> proposed? so you patched it?
[22:42] <fta> my /bin/sh is bash so i didn't notice
[22:42] <asac> ah
[22:42] <asac> yeah. better use dash
[22:43] <fta> no, dash had some nasty bugs for me in the past
[22:43] <asac> posh ;)
[22:43] <asac> at least that thing can do proper <tab> ;)
[22:43] <asac> does not this stupid autocomplete
[22:44] <fta> would would want to autocomplete in sh?
[22:44] <fta> my own shell is tcsh, not dash/bash
[22:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:44] <asac> yeah. then use posh. thats best
[22:44] <fta> !info posh
[22:45] <asac> posix-shell
[22:45] <asac> oh policy ;)
[22:45] <asac> hehe. yeah its annoying but you will write proper stuff
[22:45] <fta> as my own shell, i prefer c shells, not korn/bourne shells
[22:46] <fta> i like ^^, ! !!, !?2, etc
[22:46] <BUGabundo> wtf
[22:46] <asac> i think its the obvious choice for perlers
[22:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:46] <BUGabundo> I like bash/dash
[22:46] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:47] <BUGabundo> asac: I'm seeing something strange on FF now
[22:47] <BUGabundo> when I open external links
[22:47] <fta> you probably don't spend the same time in shells as i do/did
[22:47] <BUGabundo> FF opens a new page, but I see the previous page, until the new one loads
[22:48] <BUGabundo> while before I used to see a blank page
[22:48] <BUGabundo> fta: I spend all day
[22:48] <BUGabundo> ssh debian servers
[22:48] <BUGabundo> svn
[22:48] <BUGabundo> rsyncs
[22:48] <BUGabundo> meld and diffs
[22:48] <BUGabundo> mv and rms
[22:48] <BUGabundo> lesss, nanos, and apaches
[22:48] <BUGabundo> and when I get home, I open a few more
[22:49] <BUGabundo> as I said
[22:49] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:50] <fta> i made the switch to c shells when the "best" advanced korn shell was ksh, back in the SunOS 4 / HP-UX 8 days
[22:50] <BUGabundo> don't remind me hpux
[22:50] <BUGabundo> we still have too many on my job
[22:50] <BUGabundo> and the other job, is planning on getting new ones
[22:51] <BUGabundo> :\\
[22:51] <BUGabundo> they cost the double of intel ones :.
[22:52] <fta> asac, i don't like the header of the man page, "chromium-browser - the web browser from Google"
[22:53] <BUGabundo> errr
[22:53] <BUGabundo> chromium is not *from* google
[22:54] <asac> fta: yeah
[22:54] <fta> it's not *my* wordings, it's upstreams
[22:55] <fta> but they said suggestions are welcome, so here i am
[22:55] <asac> maybe chromium-browser: a free browser based on google chrome
[22:56] <asac> chromium-browser: a free browser similar to chrome
[22:56] <asac> chromium-browser: a chrome browser clone
[22:56] <fta> about:linux-splash says:
[22:56] <fta> about:linux-splash
[22:56] <fta> ‘Chromium’ vs ‘Google Chrome’
[22:56] <fta> Chromium is an open source browser project. Google Chrome is a browser from Google, based on the Chromium project.
[22:57] <asac> chromium-browser: fast and furious webbrowser, build from the same code base as chrome
[22:59] <BUGabundo> asac: gagaaagaga
[22:59] <BUGabundo> forget google, forget chrome
[23:00] <asac> chromium-browser: webbrowser developed by the chromium project
[23:00] <asac> :)
[23:01] <BUGabundo> better
[23:06] <fta> hm.. NSS_DISABLE_DBM
[23:08] <fta> http://codereview.chromium.org/160026
[23:08] <fta> i'm not sure we want that
[23:08] <fta> so far, my wrapper hides it, it intercepts -h/--help and displays its own usage
[23:09] <fta> asac, ^^, what do you think
[23:11] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/app/resources/manpage.1.in
[23:23] <fta> gzip: stdout: Broken pipe
[23:23] <fta> tar: Child returned status 1
[23:23] <fta> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[23:23] <fta> bzr: ERROR: There was an error executing tar to uncompress /data/bot/ppa/firefox-3.5_3.5.2~hg20090724r26132+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz.
[23:23] <fta> again
[23:23] <fta> bzr bd is broken somehow
[23:30] <fta> asac, i give up with that tarball, 3.5 still red in the ppa, fix committed, so maybe tomorrow
[23:30] <asac> argh
[23:30] <BUGabundo> asac: so when will the parter repo for flash instaler?
[23:30] <asac> why are our tarballs broken
[23:31] <asac> BUGabundo: ?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> let me get it for you
[23:31] <asac> that isnt a complete sentance ;)
[23:31] <asac> sentence even
[23:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:31] <BUGabundo> too much µblogging
[23:32] <BUGabundo> so, I did a fresh install, got restried extras, it pulled flash wrapper, I got the 64 bits .so and put it on disk
[23:32] <BUGabundo> only then I noticed I had the flash plugin installer and tried to remove it
[23:33] <asac> fta: so chromium opens the manpage if you start it with wrong arguments?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but apt didn't let me, and now I always get a post install error
[23:33] <fta> asac, no, with -h or --help
[23:34] <asac> thats better than dumping it to console?
[23:34] <fta> asac, i asked james, remember? he had no idea. i gave him one of the faulty tarball, no news since
[23:35] <asac> BUGabundo: yes. thats a regression bug in the scripts
[23:35] <asac> BUGabundo: can you file a bug please?
[23:35] <asac> though there probably are some already
[23:35] <fta> asac, try /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser -h
[23:35] <asac> hmm
[23:37] <asac> 231939
[23:37] <asac> BUGabundo: ^^
[23:37] <fta> asac, as opposed to my /usr/bin/chromium-browser -h
[23:37] <asac> bug 231939
[23:37] <asac> bullshit ;)
[23:37] <asac> 395653
[23:37] <asac> 398042
[23:37] <asac> yeah. those
[23:37] <asac> bug 398042
[23:37] <asac> bug 395653
[23:37] <BUGabundo> eheh so many dups
[23:38] <BUGabundo> its pick and choose
[23:39] <BUGabundo> lolol John marker my bug as a dupe bug 403246
[23:39] <BUGabundo> its not a dupe
[23:39] <BUGabundo> its a diff point!!
[23:39] <BUGabundo> related sure, but no dupe
[23:40] <asac> i didnt dupe it
[23:40] <asac> undupe it
[23:40] <BUGabundo> i'm
[23:40] <asac> done
[23:41] <BUGabundo> did it too
[23:41] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:41] <BUGabundo> haah
[23:41] <BUGabundo> we said rthe same thing
[23:42] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:42] <BUGabundo> that should mark a point
[23:42] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:42] <asac> hehe
[23:44] <asac> fta: personally i think that git log shoing in less can be considered an improvement, but for -h i would prefer to keep it just dumped to the console
[23:44] <fta> me too


[09:11] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4228 opened: "snapcraft plugins" generates different output format based on base <Bug> <Created by rpjday> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4228>


[08:22] <dpm> good morning all
[08:23] <sagaci> evening, dpm
[08:23] <dpm> hi sagaci :)
[15:13] <dpm> happyaron, reading Osamu's e-mail on ubuntu-devel-discuss re: im-config, I had hopes it would be rewritten with python or some other language than shell, which would also make it easily internationalizable, but it seems it's pure shell :(
[15:13]  * dpm hasn't had ever a good experience with i18n'ized shell scripts
[15:25] <happyaron> dpm: :)


[10:45] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: something landed in unity8
[10:45] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: so you need to rebuild the silo for edit reviews i guess
[10:49] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, oh noes
[10:49] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ok, thanks..
[10:50] <tsdgeos> it's all mzanetti's fault!
[10:50] <tsdgeos> let's take advantage he's on holiday today :D
[10:50]  * tsdgeos hides
[10:51] <pstolowski> :)
[10:51] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hmm the silo is not marked as dirty, are you sure?
[10:52] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: well a bzr pull on lp:unity8 gave me new code
[10:53] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hmm.. we'll find out for sure when they attempt to land the silo
[10:54] <tsdgeos> hope it doesn't overwrite stuff
[10:56] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, no, it's not possible
[10:57] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, the ci machinery checks changelog or some such and detects unknown versions
[10:57] <tsdgeos> k
[13:27] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, pstolowski: everything ok?
[13:27] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure
[13:28] <mzanetti> did I mess up something?
[13:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: no no
[13:29] <mzanetti> ok
[13:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: was just a joke that again our landing landed before pstolowski's
[13:29] <mzanetti> O_o
[13:29] <tsdgeos> now go away on holiday again
[13:29] <mzanetti> ack
[13:29] <mzanetti> o/
[14:10] <dandrader> mzanetti, does flashing arale takes ages for you?
[14:11] <dandrader> ah, you're on holiday
[14:43] <tsdgeos> dandrader: did you see the bug about the laucher i assigned you?
[14:43] <tsdgeos> arghhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:43] <tsdgeos> broken interwebs today
[15:17] <dandrader> tsdgeos, mterry took it
[15:17] <tsdgeos> ah ok
[15:18] <tsdgeos> i hate that launchpad doesn't autosubscribe me to bugs i comment on
[15:18] <tsdgeos> it's so antinatural
[15:18] <mterry> oh right, I need to finish that MP
[15:18] <tsdgeos> i'll leave here a comment
[15:18] <tsdgeos> but i don't care if anyone follows up
[15:18] <tsdgeos> why would that be the default behaviour?
[15:20] <mterry> tsdgeos, dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/tutorial-launcher-gap/+merge/259127
[15:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, agreed
[15:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, I think maybe it was intended to combat bug spam in early days when everyone was doing everything
[15:21] <mterry> But nowadays, it should probably change
[15:21] <tsdgeos> mterry: yeah
[15:22] <tsdgeos> dandrader: can you do the review ↑↑↑ you know more about the changes introduced in the MR that regressed
[15:25] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok
[15:46] <Encrypt> Hi!
[15:46] <Encrypt> Anybody around?
[15:53] <Encrypt> larsu, Hi o/
[15:53] <Encrypt> I've just read MeetingLogs about the messaging menu
[15:54] <Encrypt> I'm now stuck, trying to use the Messaging Menu...


[13:42] <coolbhavi> hey dpm
[13:44] <dpm> heya coolbhavi
[13:44] <coolbhavi> pm?
[13:44] <dpm> coolbhavi, about to go for lunch, ttyl if you don't mind (feel free to post it and I'll read it when I come back)
[13:45] <coolbhavi> sure :)
[13:45] <coolbhavi> enjoy :)
[13:47] <coolbhavi> heya highvoltage
[13:48] <coolbhavi> good morning if you are around :)
[14:42] <coolbhavi> hey cwayne
[14:42] <cwayne> heya coolbhavi
[14:54] <coolbhavi> how are you cwayne ?
[14:54] <cwayne> not too bad coolbhavi, how about you
[14:55] <coolbhavi> cwayne, fine here too :-) m still seeing your name in the lenses I reviewed :-)
[14:57] <cwayne> coolbhavi: hm?  you're reviewing lenses?
[14:57]  * coolbhavi thinks cwayne is one of the lens men for unity  :-)
[14:58] <coolbhavi> yes
[14:58] <cwayne> hey thanks :P
[14:58] <cwayne> coolbhavi: is this for inclusion in raring?  as the 100 scopes installed by default thing?
[14:58] <coolbhavi> :-)
[14:58] <coolbhavi> cwayne, inclusion in quantal
[14:59] <cwayne> coolbhavi: ah, cool :D
[14:59] <coolbhavi> just came across a couple of them which had copyright headers under your name
[15:04] <cwayne> :)
[16:40] <PaoloRotolo> hi all
[16:40] <coolbhavi> hey PaoloRotolo
[16:45] <cwayne> coolbhavi: so where are those lenses going to?  aren't they already in extras?
[16:45] <PaoloRotolo> ciao coolbhavi  :)
[16:45] <coolbhavi> cwayne, intended to extras
[16:47] <cwayne> coolbhavi: i thought they were already in extras?
[16:57] <coolbhavi> cwayne, was just picking off arb queue
[16:57] <coolbhavi> anyway good night all!
[16:58] <cwayne> coolbhavi: hah, cool
[16:58] <coolbhavi> :)
[16:58] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, :) ciao!


[02:08] <duflu> mterry: We're not tied to my CMake prototype at all. In fact I might context switch now and not get back to this task for another week or so...
[03:37] <RAOF> vgdb-error is basically the best thing ever.
[03:38] <RAOF> Ah, good. It's a race.
[03:38] <RAOF> That'll make it easier.
[03:42] <duflu> Hmm, why is upstart being added *back in* as part of a vivid update?
[03:45] <RAOF> It's still session init, right?
[11:17] <duflu> greyback_: Is there a way to get through the Unity8 welcome wizard with a mouse? I can't seem to do the right edge swipe
[11:17] <duflu> Tried two machines
[11:18] <duflu> Never mind... G'night
[11:18] <greyback_> duflu: hmm, quite possibly a bug.
[11:18] <duflu> Yeah seems like it
[11:18] <duflu> Later...
[11:18] <greyback_> duflu: o/
[11:31] <alf_> Saviq: greyback_: Do any recent unity8/dash updates contain performance improvements?
[11:33] <greyback_> alf_: I can see nothing performance specific in the unity8 log
[11:33] <greyback_> alf_: dash looking good with double-buffering?
[11:34]  * greyback_ would be surprised
[11:34] <greyback_> dash often used to go over 16ms per frame
[11:36] <alf_> greyback_: Yes, I am suprised too, but I will wait for some independent confirmation of my results
[11:37] <greyback_> alf_: ok
[11:37] <greyback_> perhaps some perf improvements landed in qt5 recently
[11:37]  * greyback_ reflashes
[11:39]  * alf_ checks list of updated packages in phone
[11:42] <alf_> greyback_: so there was an upgrade from 5.4.0 to 5.4.1
[11:48] <alf_> greyback_: But I can't see anything interesting in the Qt 5.4.1 changelog
[11:51] <greyback_> alf_: nor do I
[12:08] <greyback_> alf_: think there's 1 fix which has a positive impact on rendering performance, as yeah I see a definite improvement on the devel-proposed image right now
[12:08] <alf_> greyback_: which fix?
[12:11] <greyback_> alf_: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/thumbnailer/fix_dbus_blocking/+merge/251065
[12:11] <alf_> greyback_: nice, thanks
[13:41] <kgunn> alf_: trying to sort this one out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1418456
[13:41] <kgunn> you one comment seems pretty certain it's due to the other 2 bugs you referenced
[13:42] <kgunn> but the 1414999 bug seems fixed in mesa? (so unrelated?)
[13:43] <kgunn> oh nvmd...could be related, i see it's unity8 desktop
[13:49] <alf_> kgunn: right, the core problem is not being able to get an EGL context, possibly because of unsupported gpu (possibly fixed by Mesa 10.5 depending on the gpu). The "double free" part of the problem was an because we didn't tear down the EGL driver correctly when the error happened (fixed).
[13:49] <alf_> s/an because we/that/
[14:05] <anpok> hm I wonder if this patch is still shipped with mesa: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/mesa/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/i915-dont-default-to-2.1.patch
[14:28] <anpok> alan_g: hm what do you mean by adding another level of indirection?
[14:28] <anpok> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/stub-input-platform/+merge/252760/comments/631055
[14:31] <anpok> i tried to avoid running into the symbol mangling issues caused by having an anonymous type in the signature, and do not see a way to keep the constructor private
[14:31] <alan_g> anpok: well, you could define friend builder function that's called in make_module_ptr, or make the constructor protected and have a local derived class in make_module_ptr
[14:37] <anpok> alan_g: brilliant!
[18:08] <alf_> Saviq: camako: I have trouble running the unity8 autopilot tests on the phone. Has the way we run them changed?
[18:09] <alf_> e.g. phablet-test-run -n -r 0000 -p unity8-autopilot unity8 doesn't work for me (can't find unity8-autopilot)
[18:43] <alf_> greyback_: ^^ Any ideas?
[19:18] <alf_> greyback_: Saviq: camako: arggh, I just had to run apt-get update :/
[19:26] <greyback_> alf_: yeah that'll do it
[19:33] <camako> alf: :-)
[20:48] <racarr> privatizing event header
[20:48] <racarr> feels good :D
[20:49] <racarr> NO MORE INPUT
[20:49] <racarr> I mean privatizing the old event header of course
[20:49] <racarr> ;)


[07:45] <Kilos> morning every body
[11:02] <nuvimob> er a bit lost
[11:04] <nuvimob> anyone from ubuntu hour here?
[11:15] <nuvolari> live from Durban Ubuntu Hour
[11:16] <nuvolari> ye :> I found it
[11:21] <drubin> nuvolari: welcome
[11:22] <nuvolari> thank you :>
[11:22] <nuvolari> need to get the other people on here
[11:23] <nuvolari> seems they are afraid of IRC
[11:37] <nuvolari> oi, can I create a page for Durban Ubuntu Hour
[11:38] <drubin> nuvolari: You can create a report/news item
[11:38] <drubin> and please do!
[11:38] <drubin> nuvolari: Did the other guys come?
[11:39] <nuvolari> we're about 7 people attending
[11:39] <nuvolari> drubin: ^^
[11:39] <drubin> but are they there yet?
[11:40] <nuvolari> drubin: attending, not said they'd come :p
[11:40] <drubin> nuvolari: Let me know when you have an account (and the username and I will give you permision to edit stuffs)
[11:41] <nuvolari> I already have an account (johanmynhardt)
[11:41] <nuvolari> just signed in
[11:42] <drubin> ah thought you would be nuvolari
[11:42] <drubin> you might need to logout and in again not sure how permisions in drupal work
[11:43] <drubin> any how I am off to have a nap been up since 5:00am
[11:54] <nuvolari> cool, enjoy
[12:20] <boegoe> /?
[14:38] <drubin> hey dries, nlsthzn
[14:38] <dries> hi drubin
[14:38] <nlsthzn> hey dries, drubin and all
[14:39] <drubin> dries: are you the maia dries?
[14:39] <dries> that's the one!
[14:39] <drubin> that is horrid English.
[14:39] <drubin> welcome. ;-p
[14:40] <dries> thanks, i am just fooling around with irc...
[14:40] <nlsthzn> I have seen maia pop up a few times, what is it?
[14:40] <dries> its who not what
[14:41] <drubin> in emacs?
[14:41] <dries> yes, that's why I battle...
[14:42] <dries> ERC, one of emac's irc's
[14:42] <nlsthzn> oh ok...
[14:42] <drubin> hehe
[14:43] <drubin> dries: give weechat/irssi a go if you want commandline clients
[14:43] <dries> I have weechat, but I'll wait till you can show me the magic
[14:45] <drubin> dries: http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_quickstart.en.html
[14:46] <dries> thanks - trying to get me off the church of emacs :)
[14:47] <dries> drubin: I'll give it a try
[14:47] <drubin> dries: only suggesting it because you said "that is why i battle" ;-p
[14:48] <dries> sure, I apprec it
[14:50] <dries> msg drubin am I talking to you alone now?
[14:56] <nlsthzn> dries: yes ( I mean no)
[15:00] <dries> nlsthzn: thanks...typo
[17:12] <nuvolari> bwhaaahahahha :'(
[17:12] <nuvolari> I hate website sessions
[17:12] <nuvolari> take your time writing an article... preview *click* blank. back, *click* blank
[17:24] <nlsthzn> eh?
[17:36] <nuvolari> meh :/ I'm not in reporter-mode, but here's feedback anyway http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2010/12/12/durban-ubuntu-hour-12-12-2010-our-first
[17:38] <nuvolari> argh!
[17:38] <nuvolari> what's up with drupal?
[17:39] <nuvolari> nothing. sorry. I'll blame my headache
[18:06] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: doesn't look bad... doesn't say to much but I guess we get the over-all idea :)
[18:14] <nuvolari> I'll add detail a bit later, my head is popping :'(
[19:59] <drubin>    nuvolari Nice
[20:04] <confluency> nuvolari: It's All Text / Lazarus. ;)


[00:12] <timClicks> i'm converting an old laptop into something of a server
[00:13] <timClicks> how do I log into a shell? e.g. sans ubuntu-desktop
[00:20] <Atamira> merry christmas all
[00:39] <ojwb> timClicks: Alt-F1 to F6 should give you a login prompt
[00:39] <timClicks> ojwb: noted, but I want to avoid the memory overhead
[00:39] <ojwb> modern ubuntu comes up on VT7 it seems, even if you don't have X running
[00:39] <ojwb> timClicks: um, memory overhead?
[00:40] <timClicks> am following http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-boot-debian-in-text-mode-instead-of-graphical-mode-gui.html
[00:40] <timClicks> see how things go
[00:40] <ojwb> it's a key press
[00:40] <ojwb> there's not a lot of memory overhead
[00:40] <timClicks> oh.. from gdm/lightdm?
[00:40] <ojwb> the VTs are there anyway, Alt+Fkey just switches between them
[00:40] <ojwb> no, it's nothing to do with X
[00:41] <timClicks> sweet :)
[00:41] <timClicks> sorted
[00:41] <ojwb> you can tell it to come up on VT1, let me just check
[00:42] <ojwb> sudo sed -i '/^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=/ s/\<splash\>//;/^#GRUB_TERMINAL=console/ s/#//' /etc/default/grub
[00:43] <ojwb> the first part turns off the splash option, and that causes it to come up on VT1
[00:43] <ojwb> the second part give you the text console rather than a text console in graphics mode
[00:44] <ojwb> you may or may not want the second part - I find it's much more responsive when connecting to remote VMs using virt-manager
[00:44] <ojwb> oh, and: sudo update-grub
[00:44] <ojwb> grub is the default boot manager


[01:11] <qdb> hello. netbook with intel gma 3600 loads to black screen, but  recovery - resume normal and recovery - root - restart fixes it temporarily ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12055698#post12055698 ) . i have looked at logs  - found nothing. i have tried to add "nomodeset" to grub menu item , has not helped... but at next start after starting with nomodeset it loads nirmally, as i remember... any ideas? we need gma 3600 driver just for correct resoluti
[01:11] <qdb> on 1024 600, and there  it  is, just there is black screen appear
[01:14] <bjsnider> qdb, it would be more productive to ask in #ubuntu-x, and submit a bug too. but the channel will be dead now, since most of them are home for the evenings or asleep
[01:28] <qdb> thank you
[02:02] <imnichol> I'm experiencing segfaults when X starts on the most up to date Quantal
[02:04] <imnichol> When I check the logs, I see an error: "fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found"
[02:07] <imnichol> Hm, looks like I might have to boot with nomodeset
[02:28] <Daekdroom> fglrx doesn't even use kernel modesetting.
[02:31] <jbitcm-> hello can you help me to upgrade from ubuntu 12.4 to 12.10 rc1 please
[02:35] <imnichol> Which file do I edit to change which graphics driver loads?
[02:43] <Daekdroom> Under the system configurations > Additional hardware drivers (or something like that), you can disable fglrx
[03:02] <imnichol> Daekdroom, X is crashing, I only have commandline access to this system
[03:05] <Daekdroom> imnichol, 'sudo jockey-text'
[03:05] <Daekdroom> Well, I'm not sure whether Quantal still has jockey.
[03:05] <imnichol> yeah it does
[03:05] <imnichol> But I wasn't running it as sudo
[03:05] <imnichol> I tried it earlier
[03:05] <imnichol> Thanks for the tip
[03:09] <imnichol> When I run jockey-text as root, it just prings "Sesarching for available drivers..." and drops me back to the shell prompt
[03:12] <Daekdroom> It's possible to pass a --disable=DRIVER parameter to disable it, but I'm not sure what name fglrx is under.
[03:14] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[03:15] <Daekdroom> xorg:fglrx or xorg:fglrx_updates according to 'sudo jockey-text --list'
[03:17] <imnichol> well, looks like it's doing something
[03:17] <imnichol> Just pegged the HDD
[03:18] <imnichol> I could have sworn there was a file I could modify to force it to load the radeon driver instead of the fglrx driver
[03:21] <imnichol> whoa, whoa, looks like it worked
[03:23] <Daekdroom> Modifying a file is not enough because fglrx likes to overwrite a few important X.org components.
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:44] <edgy> Hi,, I am getting this error when I dist-upgrade since yesterday: /usr/bin/mandb: zcat < /usr/share/man/man1/pgrep.1.gz: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:44] <edgy> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mandb: corrupted double-linked list: 0x00007fb3c8b31130 ***
[11:59] <edgy> any hint
[12:02] <philinux> edgy: have you tried a normal update upgrade today
[12:02] <edgy> philinux: yes, and got same error
[12:02] <edgy> nvidia-current is also broken for me because nvidia-settings cannot be installed
[12:02] <edgy> is it only me?
[12:03] <philinux> edgy: not seeing that here. Just had a massive update.
[12:04] <edgy> ok let me try again ...
[12:04] <philinux> I had to do a install -f to get a compiz package to install
[12:05] <edgy> I will paste the whole session if it didn't work so may be you can help
[12:05] <philinux> edgy: I doubt it. tra
[12:05] <philinux> try a dpkg --configure -a
[12:18] <edgy> philinux: dpkg --configure -a gives Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:18] <edgy>  man-db
[12:19] <philinux> edgy: I would grab the alpha 2 iso or zsync yours and clean install
[12:20] <edgy> philinux: I don't want to make a fresh install if possible
[12:20] <philinux> edgy: you didnt do a partial upgrade by any chance
[12:21] <edgy> philinux: sorry? what do you mean by partial upgrade
[12:21] <philinux> edgy: using software updater
[12:21] <edgy> philinux: software updater? I just did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:21] <philinux> ok
[12:22] <philinux> edgy: why not clean install. This is testing
[12:22] <philinux> you get to test the iso
[12:22] <edgy> philinux: I migrated some data
[12:22] <edgy> let me reboot and try again
[12:51] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone testing kde 4.9?
[13:25] <Raydiation> great idea for pusing python3
[13:26] <Raydiation> now arch wont be alone any more :D
[13:27] <zniavre> python and pygtk 3 ?
[13:27] <zniavre> does python applications lloks like gtk+3 ?
[13:27] <zniavre> looks*
[13:48] <Raydiation> ?
[13:58] <Fudge> where is a package list for precise dvd
[13:59] <Fudge> oops wrong chan
[16:38] <qdb>  hello. netbook with intel gma 3600 loads to black screen, but  recovery - resume normal and recovery - root - restart fixes it temporarily ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12055698#post12055698 ) . i have looked at logs  - found nothing. i have tried to add "nomodeset" to grub menu item , has not helped... but at next start after starting with nomodeset it loads nirmally, as i remember... any ideas? we need gma 3600 driver just for correct resoluti
[16:38] <qdb>  on 1024 600, and there  it  is, just there is black screen appear
[20:50] <tdjones> Hello. I need help
[20:51] <tdjones> Can somebody please help me with ubuntu?
[20:51] <guntbert> !ask | tdjones
[20:52] <tdjones> I got bumped off the site.
[20:52] <tdjones> Can somebody please help me with ubuntu?
[20:52] <guntbert> !ask | tdjones
[20:52] <guntbert> tdjones: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[20:53] <tdjones> I have two folders on my desktop which are locked. How do I unlock them? I found instructions on the Internet but they didn't work.
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> guntbert; the second time is that "See also !patience" missing ^_^
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> tdjones; which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[20:54] <guntbert> MrChrisDruif: I know - it would have been impolite :)
[20:54] <tdjones> Ubuntu 11.04 I think it's gnome.
[20:55] <guntbert> tdjones: the channel you need is #ubuntu
[20:55] <tdjones> Yup 11.04 it says in About Ubuntu.
[20:55] <tdjones> So you can't help me?
[20:55] <guntbert> tdjones: this channel is for the alpha version
[20:55] <tdjones> ok
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> guntbert; it's for the development version to be precise (haha, still gives me giggles this cycle)
[20:56] <guntbert> MrChrisDruif: right you are - but I was typing with just one hand :)
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> And he got the hint ^_^
[22:38] <imnichol> So what's the deal with the Quantal cd image being 760MB?
[22:38] <imnichol> Too big for a CD with overburn but so close
[22:41] <trism> imnichol: the limit will be 800mb in quantal: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-one-iso-for-q
[22:42] <imnichol> Ah ok
[22:42] <imnichol> It's for USB drives, that makes sense
[22:42] <imnichol> Thanks


[00:38] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: It's the linux-image postinst that's meant to twiddle them.
[00:38] <houkouonchi-work> infinity: well if you check my pastebin it doesn't appear to be doing it or do you have to do something special when making the linux-image .deb to get it to do that?
[00:38] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: Well, the distro packages are clearly working, since your links point to -31- and -30- for current and old.
[00:39] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: So, I'd assume your postinst is different from ours.
[00:39] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: At which point, I can't say how yours is different, cause I haven't seen it.
[00:40] <infinity> diff -u /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-{3.5.0-31-highbank.postinst,3.9.0-ceph-b5b09be3-highbank} should be enlightening.
[00:40] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: If you're producing yours with make-kpkg, rather than using our kernel packaging, it will probably be quite different.
[00:41] <houkouonchi-work> well when you build a debian with make 'deb-pkg' do you need to specify something special to get it to do the the symlinks?
[00:41] <infinity> See above, we don't use make-kpkg, we build our kernels as proper Debian source packages (from the 'linux' source package), so the method is quite different.
[00:43] <houkouonchi-work> big differences ok so its part of the postinstall script of the .deb hmm
[00:43] <houkouonchi-work> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HwMs9Qr1
[00:43] <infinity> You want a unified diff (-u), if you want that to be readable...
[00:43] <houkouonchi-work> really the post install of the one i built is pretty much nothing
[00:44] <infinity> Oh, but true, the make-kpkg one is mostly empty these days, it would seem.
[00:44] <houkouonchi-work> yeah its pretty much non-existent
[00:44] <infinity> So, it would seem there might need to be a hook script to do the symlink twiddling in the new world order.
[00:45] <houkouonchi-work> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HVBtbRWg <-- inline one not that its saying much
[00:45] <infinity> (Or, use the Ubuntu packaging for your kernels instead, if your goal is just to add some patches to the highbank kernel...)
[00:45] <houkouonchi-work> well its more like build kernels using newer ceph-client stuff
[00:45] <houkouonchi-work> not really just a matter of patches
[00:48] <houkouonchi-work> Do you think stealing the post install script off the ubuntu one is likely to work with a different one. It looks pretty generic so a quick look over it by me looks like it would probably work?
[00:49] <infinity> Possibly.
[00:49] <infinity> Though seems like overkill if all you want is the symlink twiddling.
[00:49] <houkouonchi-work> i guess my $version is being specified in the file though... Yeah I guess I am just trying to figure out the best way to automate this
[00:50] <houkouonchi-work> these kernel packages are all automated and the installation/testing is automated too the problem is if that symlink isnt correct when the machine is rebooted u-boot isnt loading the kernel
[00:50] <houkouonchi-work> even though it says its flashing with it during the installation of the package...
[00:51] <houkouonchi-work> might be easier if we just create the symlink in our code-base that does the testing after it does the install rather than doing it with the post install of the .deb I just wasnt sure what handled that stuff. Not super familiar with the .deb packaging system
[00:51] <infinity> Well, there is no "flashing" to do with flash-kernel on highbank, that's a bit of a lie.
[00:51] <houkouonchi-work> Thanks for the help
[00:51] <houkouonchi-work> infinity: then it makes sense why it didnt boot the kernel =)
[00:53] <houkouonchi-work> cant wait for these newer arm hardware. Even with like 10+ nodes and distcc it takes a long time to build stuff on them heh
[00:53] <infinity> So, Debian's kernel postinsts are also still the massive long Perl postinst.
[00:53] <infinity> I wonder why make-kpkg's is so anaemic.
[00:54] <infinity> Waaait, so is the one in make-kpkg.
[00:55] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: How are you building these kernel packages?
[00:55] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: Are you using "make-kpkg" from the "kernel-package" package?
[00:55] <infinity> houkouonchi-work: Cause that should provide you with something with the complex/useful postinst.
[01:27] <houkouonchi-work> infinity: its kernels from git doing make debb-pkg
[07:22] <tharvey_home> where did ubuntu core for 11.10 go?  I see lots of references to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/11.10 yet it doesn't exist (removed as 11.10 is no longer supported?)
[07:23] <infinity> tharvey_home: 11.10 is EOL and gone, yeah.  Use 12.04.
[07:24] <tharvey_home> so is core just another rootfs like server, desktop, cloud are?  is core the only one that supports arm?
[07:25] <infinity> core is just a minimal rootfs with pretty much nothing installed but essential packages and apt.
[07:25] <infinity> We also have full installer images for some platforms (like omap4/Panda), but not many.
[07:25] <tharvey_home> would you call 'server' and 'desktop' a rootfs too then?
[07:25] <infinity> And netboot installer images for things like highbank and armadaxp.
[07:25] <infinity> server and desktop are installers, not rootfses.
[07:27] <tharvey_home> where are the installer images and how would I go about creating one for a different board?
[07:28] <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ for netboot images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ for some installer images.  Creating one for a specific board isn't trivial, and not something I'd try to explain at 1:30am.
[07:29] <infinity> This is all very much a hacker's game right now, still.  It's not easy to give simple "this is how you do it" instructions for booting a board we don't support.
[07:30] <infinity> But that's slowly changing with generic multiplatform kernels.
[07:30] <infinity> Slowly.
[07:31] <tharvey_home> well, I know how to 'boot' my board with say the core rootfs, I'm just not clear what the 'installer image' does for me - perhaps make it easier for someone to repeat my process less manually?
[07:32] <infinity> tharvey_home: Possibly that, yeah.  But it's certainly not a necessity for people to have shiny installers, if you can give people simple instructions on booting and jamming a kernel/config into ubuntu-core.
[07:34] <tharvey_home> looking at some of the installer images - I see they are just the bins needed like the bootloader, and kernel, boot scripts and then the .img* files are ie usd images you would dd to the usd?
[07:35] <infinity> tharvey_home: The .img files are DDable to SD, yeah.
[07:36] <infinity> tharvey_home: And for some platforms (androidish platforms, like ac100 or nexus devices), we provide a bootimg to stuff in the boot partition.
[07:36] <tharvey_home> so the images presume a specific sized uSD for example?
[07:36] <infinity> tharvey_home: The old preinstalled images we used in 12.04 actually just auto-resize to fill the card on first boot.
[07:37] <infinity> tharvey_home: The images we did for 12.10 and later use the same installer as x86 desktop images and expect to install FROM the card to an external storage device (like a USB hard drive).
[07:39] <tharvey_home> ah... neat.  Is there someplace I can see the installer script that does the auto-resize for the 12-04 images and the script that does the installing for 12.10?
[07:40] <infinity> The "script" that does the installing for 12.10 is ubiquity.  It's the full desktop installer.
[07:40] <infinity> The auto-resizing magic in 12.04 is in the jasper-initramfs package.
[07:42] <tharvey_home> and what is used to 'build' the img file (what dictates the packages and actually installed them to a rootfs)?
[07:43] <infinity> tharvey_home: That's a combination of live-build/livecd-rootfs, and the finishing touches are cdimage.  That's the part(s) of the process that I hinted at being pretty complex and not something for a 1:30am conversation. :)
[07:44] <tharvey_home> infinity, no worries - thanks for the explanation
[09:04] <LetoThe2nd> for the record_ he/she is banned in #pandaboard now
[09:45] <hrw> who?
[09:45] <hrw> morphis?
[09:48] <LetoThe2nd> yes.
[14:42] <brykt> Hi.
[14:43] <brykt> I have installed ubuntu for ARM on a beaglebone black. Should it be possible to login to the BBB via ssh  when it has booted. I am able to ping the BBB, but when I try the ssh into it i get: ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: No route to host
[14:43] <maxinux> yes you should be able to
[14:44] <maxinux> can the bbb ssh into itself?
[14:45] <brykt> I tried using "ubuntu" and "root" as users but still no luck.
[14:45] <brykt> How do you mean ssh into itself?
[14:45] <maxinux> ssh from it to it :)
[14:46] <brykt> I dont have any acces to temrinal. My mointor does not work with the mini-HDMI output.
[14:47] <ogra_> well, did you set up the network and did you install ssh ?
[14:47] <hrw> ogra_: I just had to ask the same ;D
[14:47] <ogra_> we dont offer any official images for the beagles anymore, best is to talk to the person who created that image
[14:48] <maxinux> are you using the armhf image brykt?
[14:48] <brykt> I flashed the eMMC by booting up from the mini SD-card....
[14:48] <brykt> I dont know how to set it up.
[14:48] <maxinux> so you got the image from armhf.com?
[14:48] <brykt> I used the image from this page:
[14:48] <brykt> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black
[14:48] <ogra_> well, find the person who created it
[14:49] <maxinux> ive not used that image
[14:49] <maxinux> i use www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ loaded on an SD card
[14:50] <maxinux> though it can be loaded onto the mmc if you want
[14:50] <brykt> ok, great. I will try that one...
[14:51] <maxinux> note that it does not support fbdev out of th ebox
[14:51] <maxinux> oh no screen
[14:51] <maxinux> you dont care
[14:52] <maxinux> that image will bring up eth0 automatically via dhcp on first boot  and has ssh going .. and supports all the wifi cards ive thrown at it... but i also reloaded a new kernel on it shortly thereafter... 3.8 > 3.2
[14:52] <maxinux> though i suppose i could give you my  kernel and modules if you need it
[14:53] <brykt> ah, ok. Will keep that in mind if I ever want to connect a screen.
[14:53] <hrw> maxinux: iirc beaglebone black had 3.8 kernel out of the box
[14:53] <maxinux> hrw:  angstrom comes with, but ubuntu does not
[14:54] <hrw> maxinux: person which created image to blame then
[14:54] <maxinux> im not complaining
[14:54] <maxinux> i simply cross recompiled my kernel
[14:54] <hrw> ;)
[14:54] <maxinux> i jokingly recompiled on the bbb also
[14:54] <maxinux> a few -6 hours later it was starting on modules
[14:56] <brykt> You loaded Angstrom  3.2 from 3.8?
[14:56] <maxinux> ? no
[14:56] <maxinux> ubuntu arm image from armhf.com ships with kernel 3.2
[14:56] <maxinux> i compiled 3.8.13 and loaded it on my bbb
[14:58] <brykt> ah. ok... I'll get back to you if I cannot get the stuff I need the BBB for to work. Maybe 3.8.13 will solve it...
[22:46] <T3CHKOMMIE> hello everyone.
[22:46] <T3CHKOMMIE> I was wondering if I could get some pointers on imaging an SDcard with Ubuntu Server Arm...
[22:47] <T3CHKOMMIE> I have a BeagleBone Black, and I have tried the documentation several times, but still cant get it to post.
[22:47] <T3CHKOMMIE> does anyone know of a good method to getting the image on an SD card?
[23:52] <mijk> hi
[23:53] <maxinux> hi.


[01:49] <qwebirc96694> i am trying to install mythbuntu but it wont install it starts and when it looks like it is about 90% done it hangs for a while and says it crashed and is going to send a error report
[01:50] <Hydr0p0nX> what version ?
[01:51] <qwebirc96694> just downloaded it yesterday from this website i think it is the newest
[01:56] <Hydr0p0nX> haven't tried the latest release yet ...
[01:57] <Hydr0p0nX> what kind of hardware is it ?
[01:59] <qwebirc96694> i have a intel i7 processor, 6 gigs ram, 2 tb seagate hard drive, happauge wintv 2250 card and a nvidia 8400gs graphic card
[01:59] <Hydr0p0nX> what kind of motherboard ?
[02:01] <qwebirc96694> a asus p6t
[02:03] <Hydr0p0nX> selecting vnc as part of the install options?
[02:06] <qwebirc96694> ive tried both ways
[02:07] <Hydr0p0nX> hmm
[02:07] <Hydr0p0nX> any detail provided ? ticket number or anything ?
[02:08] <JohnQ> FWIW, I had a similar "hang at the end of the installation", and it went away when I disabled the "Download updates during install" option.
[02:08] <JohnQ> It'll update later anyway.
[02:12] <qwebirc96694> i tried that also.  it seemed to hang installing the nvidia drivers the last time
[02:17] <JohnQ> Ah.  For me it was in "Configuring mythtv" and seemed to be an issue with mysqld.  Sounds like a different issue.  Sorry
[03:38] <qwebirc4207> after many tries i finally got mythbuntu installed.  I didnt select any option that werent chosen for me during install.  But now how do i get my hauppage wintv card to be recognized
[03:39] <qwebirc4207> it doesnt seem to see it.  Im a beginner so baby steps if you can
[03:46] <qwebirc4207> can anyone help me get my hauppage card setup?
[05:08] <qwebirc4207> anyone still up
[05:10] <qwebirc4207> ok im out of here i will try tomorrow and see if anyone can help me get my card to work
[16:55] <qwebirc43213> I installed mythbuntu and after many trials i got it installed.  I have 2 issues, 1 MYSQL doesnt seem to be working anytime i try to make changes in the backend it keeps giving me errors
[16:56] <qwebirc43213> 2 i need to get my hauppage 2250 card to work
[16:56] <qwebirc43213> Anyone feeling like they are up to a chalange today?
[17:17] <tgm4883> what do you mean mysql isn't working
[18:06] <qwebirc27788> i had a heck of a time getting mythbuntu to install i could only take all of the defaults when doing the install.  If i tried to install the lir for my hauppage remote the installer would crash.  if i tried to use nvidia drivers the installer would crash.  i have it installed now but it doesnt see my hardware and keeps giving me mysql errors
[18:07] <qwebirc27788> when i try to configure the backend
[18:07] <tgm4883> 10:17 AM <tgm4883> what do you mean mysql isn't working
[18:07] <qwebirc27788> I want to get my Hauppage 2250 wintv card to work and i want to get mysql to work the picture seems ok so maybe i dont need the nvidia drivers
[18:08] <tgm4883> those are 3 separate things
[18:08] <qwebirc27788> but i havent seen anything but the mythbuntu screens so once i can maybe i will need the nvidia drivers for my 8400gs 1 gig video card
[18:09] <qwebirc27788> i know i think i need to start with mysql
[18:09] <tgm4883> so it's not running?
[18:09] <tgm4883> 'sudo service mysql status'
[18:09] <tgm4883> do that
[18:09] <qwebirc27788> when i go into the backend it says disabled.  i enable it but then i get a error saying it is shutting down the service
[18:10] <tgm4883> that doesn't make sense. Where does it say disabled
[18:10] <tgm4883> can you give me a screenshot?
[18:11] <qwebirc27788> not sure how to do that.  i am a new linux user
[18:12] <qwebirc27788> i just restarted it so give me a minute to check it again
[18:12] <tgm4883> ok. lets start from the beginning
[18:12] <tgm4883> check it again
[18:17] <qwebirc27788> under mythbuntu control center says disable next to MySql service on ethernet interfaces
[18:18] <tgm4883> You are on 14.04 right?
[18:18] <tgm4883> have you run updates yet?
[18:19] <qwebirc27788> i am on the newest i havent run updates yet i didnt know how to do it
[18:21] <tgm4883> you can open a terminal and do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[18:23] <qwebirc27788> ok its doing something
[18:27] <qwebirc27788> still going its doing a bunch of preparing and unpacking of files
[18:30] <qwebirc27788> its asking about samba server and utilities saying a new version of the configuration file /etc/samba/smb.conf is available and what i want to do with it
[18:31] <qwebirc27788> i can install, keep local version, show differences
[18:36] <qwebirc27788> should i choose install
[18:40] <qwebirc27788> i choose install and it seems to be done.  now whats next
[18:43] <tgm4883> ok, now restart the Mythbuntu control center
[18:44] <qwebirc27788> ok i am back in it MySQL still says disable.  do i need to reboot computer
[18:44] <tgm4883> well you should be able to enable it now
[18:45] <qwebirc27788> ok now what it is enabled
[18:47] <qwebirc27788> do i launch the mythtv setup?
[18:47] <tgm4883> not yet
[18:47] <tgm4883> first, open a terminal and do 'sudo service mysql restart'
[18:48] <qwebirc27788> ok its running it says process 1542
[18:49] <tgm4883> ok, so I'm guessing there was never a problem with mysql, but now you can connect up other frontends to this machine if you want
[18:49] <tgm4883> and you can go forth with your setup
[18:50] <qwebirc27788> Do you know how i get it to see the hauppauge card.  I have reinstyalled this so many times i dont want to mess it up again by doing the wrong thing
[18:50] <tgm4883> what card
[18:51] <qwebirc27788> hauppauge wintv-hvr-2250
[18:52] <tgm4883> how are you setting it up in mythtv-setup
[18:52] <tgm4883> what type of card are you adding it as?
[18:54] <qwebirc27788> its not listed for me to select it the default seems to be under capture caard it defaults to dvb-t/s/c atsc
[18:54] <tgm4883> ok, do this
[18:54] <tgm4883> "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[18:55] <tgm4883> then run "dmesg | pastebinit"
[18:55] <tgm4883> then post the link it gives you
[18:55] <qwebirc27788> ok it completed
[18:57] <qwebirc27788> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7676200
[18:58] <tgm4883> You are missing the firmware it seems
[18:58] <tgm4883> Lines 934-940
[18:59] <qwebirc27788> ok i'll bite, how do i find it
[19:00] <tgm4883> I would think this still applies  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=942403&page=43&p=11205874#post11205874
[19:01] <tgm4883> I've not used hauppauge devices in awhlie
[19:01] <tgm4883> and I don't recall ever having to deal with firmware
[19:06] <JohnQ> When I went through the mythbuntu installer, it gave me the option of an open source video driver or an nvidia one.  Whats the easiest way to try the other one, post-install?
[19:07] <tgm4883> JohnQ: personally I use jockey-text, because I administer it all though SSH
[19:08] <JohnQ> Hmm.  I'll take a look.  thanks for the pointer.
[19:10] <JohnQ> Dont seem to have it installed.  maybe ubuntu-drivers is the replacement?
[19:11] <tgm4883> JohnQ: do you have software sources?
[19:11] <JohnQ> yep
[19:11] <tgm4883> you should have an additional drivers tab in that
[19:11] <JohnQ> OK thanks
[19:18] <JohnQ> Interesting.   Hard to tell if it worked or not.  :-)
[19:34] <JohnQ> Before the install I was seeing occasional tearing in the video during high-speed sceens... but it seems better now.  Its very hard to tell
[19:35] <JohnQ> OK... well for now, I'll just assume its better until proven otherwise.
[19:38] <JohnQ> Different question:  Whenever I try to delete a video in myhhvideo, it says "failed to delete file".  I've made sure that the files are delete-able by root, mythtv, and the user running the frontend... I dont see any error messages about it in /var/log/mythtv.. and I am not sure what else to try.
[19:40] <tgm4883> JohnQ: are they backend storage groups or frontend storage directories?
[19:40] <JohnQ> I have no idea.  (Imnot clear on the difference... mostly I just tweaked the various path settings haphazardly until the videos showed up).  How can I tell?
[19:42] <tgm4883> did you set up the directories in the frontend, or in mythtv-setup
[19:42] <JohnQ> Checking.
[19:44] <JohnQ> Must have been in the frontend.  Only my recorded-tv directories are listed in the "Storage Directories" in myth-setup.
[19:45] <tgm4883> ok, your frontend user will need access to delete them then, and the logs would be in the frontend log I believe
[19:46] <JohnQ> drontend user does have access (su - john  ; rm ...  works)..
[19:46] <JohnQ> And nothing shows in the logs :-/
[19:48] <JohnQ> I'll try switching them to backend directories and see if that helps.
[20:09] <JohnQ> Woah... curiouser and curiouser... I switched to a storage group, and I still get the error but now things show in the logs.   When I delete file A in myth, I get an error in the logs that it couldnt delete file B.   File B seems to be the file that is alphabetically first in that sorage dir.  ... and it should have been able to delete file B if it had tried.  (Glad it didnt)
[20:14] <JohnQ> Hah.  Its a known bug.  "Won't fix.":  https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11407
[20:15] <JohnQ> Looks like im going to have to learn to live without "file browse mode"... :-(
[20:35] <qwebirc27788> i got myy mythtv up and running (Sort Of) i was watching COPS and it just locked up.  Is there a way to fix this it is the first show i ever tried to watch on it
[20:41] <JohnQ> You sure the hardware you're running on is solid?  I.e. no memory faiures, not overheating, not overclocked etc...?
[21:30] <JohnQ> Anyone know if there is a way to make the mythvideo scan skip symlinks?
[21:42] <JohnQ> Ugh how to people cope with the slow scan every time they add a new file?  It took 6min 22 sec to "Scan for Changes"  :-/
[21:49] <JohnQ> And seems to crash mythfrontend on occasion... ick.
[22:04] <JohnQ> With a default mythbuntu install, is it safe to assume that mythbackend will be running before the rc.local is run on boot?
[23:38] <JohnQ> Wow... really strange.   mythutil --scanvideos wont run from rc.local.  It produces error messages and exits with code 130.  Runs fine from command line.  Weird.


[02:35] <yoyoned> I have a GeForce 6100 nForce 430.  The restricted driver manager does not show anything to install.
[02:35] <LSD|Ninja> yoyoned: that's normal right now
[02:36] <yoyoned> LSD|Ninja: any thing I can hack about to get it to work
[02:36] <LSD|Ninja> I'm not sure
[02:37] <yoyoned> LSD|Ninja: ok, thanks
[02:37] <LSD|Ninja> you could install nvidia-glx manually but I think a recent round of updates broke that too
[06:30] <LSD|Ninja> Anyone else getting weird bootsplash corruption and problems with the gdm greeter? O_o
[07:10] <Bernardo> hi
[11:15] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: Yes, every now and then; maybe it's a race condition in the framebuffer driver?
[11:18] <LSD|Ninja> At least I'm not alone there like I seem to be on the greeter thing. I wish I knew wtf was up with that, even changing from gdmgreeter to gdmlogin still doesn't seem to get me any closer to the GUI. It used to work, soemthing has broken I jsut have nfi what
[11:32] <RAOF> Oh, it works almost all the time for me.  When the framebuffer is messed up, it also messes up X.
[11:34] <LSD|Ninja> It started out that just the progress bar would be screwed up but a recent round of (pre Alpha 2) updates messed it up entirely though it does come good every once in a while and of course I get the greeter crashing message
[11:38] <RAOF> Nah, I don't got that.
[11:40] <s0u][ight> is X fixed?
[11:46] <LSD|Ninja> it depends on how it was broken for you :P
[11:48] <s0u][ight> it wasn't
[11:48] <s0u][ight> i didn't upgrade yet
[11:48] <LSD|Ninja> X appears to work for me, I just can't log in or do anything because gdm keeps crashing
[11:52] <s0u][ight> ok i'll wait some longer before upgrading
[12:15] <Hew> Anyone running Intrepid that can open .diff.gz files with file-roller? I don't seem to be able to. eg http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/file-roller/file-roller_2.23.3-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[17:14] <LSD|Ninja> >_< latest xorg-xserver-core update restored my greeter but the splash is still b0rked, going to try a final reinstall and see what happens
[17:46] <Klanticus> hi... I'm using kubuntu, and it stopped working after an update... kdm do not work anymore
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> Klanticus: should be fixed in in 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu2
[17:46] <Klanticus> and the bootsplash don't work too
[17:47] <LSD|Ninja> Klanticus: all kinds of weird corruption?
[17:48] <LSD|Ninja> ranging from the bar appearing in three different places to what looks like a siblinal digital message?
[17:48] <Klanticus> LSD|Ninja: no... it just doesn't appear
[17:48] <Klanticus> LSD|Ninja: it show me the console
[17:49] <Pici> In Intrepid?
[17:50] <Klanticus> Pici: kubuntu 8.10 alpha 1 (amd64)
[17:51] <Pici> Klanticus: Just checking ;)
[17:51] <LSD|Ninja> Klanticus: I get that from time to time too but I have no idea if it's something I've done or related to the main issue I'm having
[17:51] <Klanticus> i'm fetching more updates now... let's see if they solve the problem
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> I've not had a splash since I upgraded a hardy install to pre-alpha1
[17:52] <Klanticus> JontheEchidna: I had splash before this update
[17:52] <LSD|Ninja> splash works in Hardy. It's 1280x1024 (I'd rather it be 1024x768) but it works. Intrepid is where is went crazy
[17:52] <LSD|Ninja> works for me*
[18:02] <Klanticus> well... it's not working yet... looks like kdm can't find some theme file
[18:02] <Klanticus> it just show a message complaining about not finding a theme and then exits
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> Klanticus: what version is kdm at?
[18:04] <Klanticus> JontheEchidna: Version: 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell said 0-ubuntu2 should fix it
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> *-0ubuntu2
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> so I'd watch for that
[18:05] <Klanticus> JontheEchidna: how do I get it? apt isn't downloading it
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it's done building yet
[18:06] <Klanticus> JontheEchidna: ah... ok.. I'll wait them
[18:06] <Klanticus> JontheEchidna: thank you
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> np
[18:09] <cbr> why is opengl (kde4 kwin effects to be specific) broken in intrepid?
[18:13] <jbroome> opengl came up on the "wheel of broken" today
[18:15] <cbr> it has been broken for over a week
[18:24] <Nece228> Does ubuntu will change that dark brown theme in ubuntu 8.10?
[18:26] <Nece228> In alpha 2 ubuntu's look didnt changed
[18:26] <Nece228> Maybe this will be final look ?
[18:27] <LSD|Ninja> I have no idea what they were smoking when they came up with the new theme in Intrepid, people want *less* brown, not more
[18:27]  * JontheEchidna uses kubuntu so he doesn't have to deal with that :D
[18:28] <Nece228> LSD|Ninja: thats it
[18:28] <Nece228> But i that look isn't ugly for me :D
[18:29] <LSD|Ninja> JontheEchidna: you have to deal with KDE, which is worse :P
[18:29]  * JontheEchidna starts flamewar
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> *obligatory
[18:30] <Nece228> LSD|Ninja: >:( kde is not bad
[20:14] <LSD|Ninja> I *hate* ath5k, please put madwifi back in in time for release
[20:24] <LSD|Ninja> what's the way to install nvidia now again?
[20:41] <papabean> LSD|Ninja: I used sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173 for my card.
[20:41] <papabean> Then I used nvidia-settings to generate a new xorg.conf
[20:42] <papabean> I can't validate that that's the preferred method, but it worked for me.
[20:44] <papabean> That brought in the source package which built the appropriate kernel module.
[20:44] <papabean> That being said, that was the third nvidia-glx- package I tried (1 because I was hasty, 1 because my card was listed).
[20:47] <LSD|Ninja> I'll give that a go as soon as the restricted-extras get done installing
[21:16] <papabean> Anyone else using Kmail?
[21:17] <LSD|Ninja> for the love of all that's holy how in the hell do I kill that utterly retarded PC Speaker as a sound card driver? >_<
[21:17] <Unksi> LSD|Ninja: rmmod pcspkr?
[21:17] <Unksi> that should kill it for good :P
[21:17] <Unksi> (and blacklist so it wont be loaded on boot)
[21:18] <LSD|Ninja> Unksi: I tried that and snd_pcsm, neither worked. It still sounds like my hard disk crashes each time I log in
[21:18] <Unksi> ok
[21:24] <yuriy> papabean: I am on hardy. but I'm guessing you're asking about intrepid since you're in here
[21:26] <papabean> Unless you're experiencing crashes right after mail retrieval on IMAP accounts.
[21:26] <papabean> The problem could be the same.
[21:26] <papabean> Hard to troubleshoot what's going on since even running from console gives no good output.
[22:50] <Jordan_U> I have installed linux-restricted-modules but I still can't modprobe ath_{hal,pci}
[22:51] <Jordan_U> I have installed linux-restricted-modules but I still can't modprobe ath_{hal,pci}
[22:55] <LSD|Ninja> linux-restricted-modules are for an older kernel, the ydon't work in Intrepid
[22:55] <LSD|Ninja> which is a shame, because ath5k really, really sucks
[23:07] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, ath5k works great in Fedora 9 for me
[23:07] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, Is it missing features / unstable ( why does it suck ) ?
[23:08] <LSD|Ninja> Actually, ath5k sucked more in Fedora than it does in Intrepid but it still doesn't work anywhere near as well as madwifi
[23:09] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, Doesn't work at all for me in intrepid, what problems have you had with it?
[23:09] <LSD|Ninja> In Fedora it could never keep a connection up for a few minutes whereas in Intrepid it's relatively stable but is dog slow
[23:10] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, Did you have to do anything special to get ath5k to work in intrepid?
[23:11] <LSD|Ninja> Nope, it was as easy to get going as madwifi in Hardy
[23:11] <LSD|Ninja> Well, when I could get into the GUI that is
[23:56] <Jordan_U> Any ideas on how to troubleshoot ath5k not working?