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[10:54] <juliux> hey willvdl
[10:54] <willvdl> juliux, hey
[10:54] <juliux> who was your holiday?
[10:55] <willvdl> good thanks, except for the end bit (got robbed on the last day)
[10:55] <juliux> ohh
[10:56] <highvoltage> willvdl: ohno.
[10:57] <juliux> willvdl,  in which dangerours area you have been?
[10:57] <highvoltage> willvdl: you should just do what I do, make funny faces and scare them away.
[10:57] <willvdl> that was in Buenos Aires
[10:57] <willvdl> highvoltage, I pretended that I didn't understand them
[10:57] <willvdl> but the gun made it fairly obvious after that...
[10:58] <highvoltage> ouch... that bad...
[11:00] <willvdl> yip. well, not really. not "threatening" like back home if you know what I mean
[11:11] <RichEd> welcome back willvdl
[11:11] <willvdl> RichEd, have a good long weekend?
[11:11] <RichEd> willvdl: okay thanks ... back to the grindstone today ...
[11:12] <willvdl> likewise
[11:15] <RichEd> willvdl: I've added a spec for UDS for you, Edubuntu documentation as a subset of Ubuntu documentation
[11:15] <willvdl> ah. will look it up
[11:16] <RichEd> the idea is that at UES we discuss any holes in our processes or facilities or procedures ... and then carry any needs forward into UDS
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hey you guys
[11:23] <jsgotangco> willvdl: doing well now?
[11:24] <willvdl> jsgotangco, all good thanks. Good to be back
[11:28] <jsgotangco> that's good to know
[11:28] <jsgotangco> its nice to know as well that Edubuntu will have its own docs on feisty ;-)
[11:59] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco
[11:59] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hey how are you doing lately
[12:00] <RichEd> jsgotangco: well thanks ... and yourself ?
[12:01] <jsgotangco> hmm its alright, i might be moving to a new job soonish...
[12:03] <jsgotangco> had a week-long break to think about things
[12:04] <RichEd> jsgotangco: and with productive results I hope ?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> i guess :/
[12:04] <jsgotangco> wikipedia can be too entertaining sometimes
[12:04] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> let's see what happens in a month or two
[12:22] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[12:53] <RichEd> ping willvdl
[12:53] <willvdl> RichEd, pong
[12:53] <RichEd> ->
[01:31] <maccam94> RichEd, you around?
[01:31] <RichEd> hi maccam94 ... just creating a spec around the mass deployment / admin at the moment :)
[01:32] <maccam94> sweet
[01:32] <RichEd> I'll send you the wiki page link and the discussion page for the Education Summit
[01:33] <maccam94> thanks
[01:46] <RichEd> maccam94: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/BOF/EdubuntuMassDeploymentManagement
[01:46] <RichEd> please take a look, and email me comments / changes
[01:47] <maccam94> k
[01:47] <RichEd> I've added it to the UES discussion topics, but we should be able to get an initial overview out before the meet
[01:49] <maccam94> RichEd, are there going to be any meetings/summits in the northeast US anytime soon?
[01:49] <ogra> RichEd, thats nothing we should do without having cjwatson around
[01:49] <ogra> so rather a UDS task
[01:50] <ogra> (or any other prson deeply involved with dbeconf and package management devlopment fwiw)
[01:50] <ogra> *debconf
[01:50] <RichEd> ogra: we'll do a lot of these as brainstorm pre-prep for UDS ... to get requirements from an end user perspective ... so it will transfer to a UDS spec for a formal BOF
[01:51] <ogra> well, brainstorming on tasks where someone with deep knowledge would probably immediatly say "no that wont work" makes more sense than shooting in the blue imho
[01:52] <ogra> we should restrict the tech stuff for UES to pieces we can really discuss and keep the ones where we need knowledgeable people for UDS
[01:53] <ogra> (imho)
[01:54] <RichEd> ogra: I'm thinking more along the lines of brainstorming user needs ... as in "I have 4 schools under my management, each with 40 workstations, and a local school server. How do I configure for the easiest set-up and update process."
[01:54] <ogra> mass deployment will involve a *lot* of changes to many different subsytems if we want to do it right
[01:55] <RichEd> i.e. for Matt Oquist and David Trask to describt the real world environments at UES. And then we can make suggestions on how to best aproach this at a proper UDS BOF with the right people.
[01:56] <ogra> right, i just want to prevent us from going the wrong paths ...
[01:56] <ogra> mass deployment/management is as long requested as network authentication
[01:56] <RichEd> I understand, and we'll make it clear that UES will not create pie in the sky wishlists for UDS to shoot down.
[01:57] <RichEd> You and I will act as gatekeepers for allowing only specs that have a reasonable chance of passing
[01:57] <ogra> the task is involving to many other systems to even say more than "thats what we want to do" ... without involving knowledgeable people that say "thats what we *can* do"
[01:58] <ogra> so keep the expectations of such stuff for UES low
[01:58] <highvoltage> hey ogra and RichEd.
[01:58] <ogra> (for the atendees it should be clear that we might completely differ in views from what UDS people will say or do)
[01:59] <highvoltage> I'm currently background-processing ways that I could contribute at UES. Worst case scenario, I'll answer as many questions possible to the attendees, and make you guys coffee :)
[01:59] <RichEd> So the solutions emerging from UES may then be "guidance, recipes and pointers to existing web documentation"
[01:59] <maccam94> ogra, it's not necessary at this point to work out the technical details of how the packages will be modified. what's necessary is for the developers to hear what the users want, so they know what to work on
[01:59] <ajmitch> at this rate I may end up getting flights that arrive while UES is on :)
[01:59] <highvoltage> ajmitch: nice!
[02:00] <ajmitch> highvoltage: not really
[02:00] <ajmitch> highvoltage: got an email from the eyas people today, who looked for 4 hours & found no suitable flights yet
[02:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: a grand wishlist might be real good, will show the users that they are heard, as long as they understand that wishlist features won't necassarily make it into the gray giraffe (or whatever it's called)
[02:01] <willvdl> ajmitch, from where?
[02:01] <highvoltage> ajmitch: outch!
[02:01] <ajmitch> willvdl: new zealand
[02:01] <willvdl> doh
[02:01] <RichEd> highvoltage: you're going down on the list for 1) a presentation on tuXlabs and 2) any tools you've built that will make sense for us to look at or consider
[02:01] <ogra> highvoltage, learn C ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ldm-greeter
[02:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, will do
[02:02] <ajmitch> you might be interested to know of some ubuntu-directory work that's going ahead, with regards to hardware info, software deployment, etc
[02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: I've actually ordered the K&R C book, I'm planning to start working through that as soon as it lands on my doorstep from the Amazon
[02:02] <ogra> maccam94, i'm sure that the need for mass deployment and management been expressed over several releases by ISPs and other companies already :)
[02:03] <ogra> but as pdap authentication it will tae its time ... it needs deep changes in the architecture
[02:03] <maccam94> ogra, but is there an organized spec showing what all of the specific needs are?
[02:03] <ogra> *take
[02:03] <ogra> *ldap
[02:03] <ogra> *sigh*
[02:03] <ajmitch> ogra: the stuff I'm talking about is being written up in a spec, and is being done by someone as a masters project
[02:03] <ogra> maccam94, not sure ... i'm sure cjwatson could answer that from the top f his head :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> *very* conveniently, this person happens to be within walking distance of my place ;)
[02:04] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, but the request for such a feature is there since pre-hoary
[02:04] <ajmitch> ogra: I know that
[02:05] <ogra> i'm sure it would have been more successfull (and earlier as well) if we had had a spec where the people involved with the facts would have helped earlier on
[02:05] <RichEd> ogra: just some background ... maccam94 asked the other day in this channel on how to best deploy to many local workstations so as to simplify the updates process.
[02:05] <ogra> so i'm tryig to prevent such stuff
[02:06] <ogra> RichEd, yes, i was around
[02:06] <RichEd> he did not want to go LTSP as the w/s all have decent processing power & local disk etc.
[02:06] <ogra> yep
[02:06] <highvoltage> ajmitch: heh ;)
[02:06] <RichEd> so this spec is to give advice on that sort of question, and documented in such a way that we can just point someone to the wiki URL
[02:06] <ogra> RichEd, the problem with such big specs is that its very easy to go in the wrong direction and take more time through that
[02:07] <RichEd> okay, so then we need to make sure that the wiki discussion page is realistic before the session starts.
[02:07] <ogra> we should in any case formulate a requirement and point (and maybe test) to other distros solutions
[02:07] <ogra> but we'll need t stop very early without having input from the experts
[02:08] <ogra> so preparing the ground is fine ... but lets keep off suggestions and deep tec details for such big tasks
[02:08] <ogra> its not edubuntu specific at all either ..
[02:09] <ogra> ... even though we might have big demand in our community
[02:13] <RichEd> maccam94: http://www.ubuntulive.com/ porland oregon ... that's the next US event
[02:13] <RichEd> *portland
[02:13] <maccam94> gah, that's a bit of a treck from here :-\
[02:14] <ogra> where are you ?
[02:14] <maccam94> near boston, MA
[02:15] <cliebow_> ogra: we had a fellow with some issues yesterday using edgy and ltsp-build-client .124..How would you suggest proceeding?udpate somehow to 5.0.6?
[02:16] <ogra> maccam94, i think there is something planned for the eastcoast
[02:16] <ogra> but nothing concrete yet (only roumors i heard)
[02:17] <ogra> cliebow_, 0.124 on feisty ?
[02:17] <cliebow_> no edgy
[02:17] <cliebow_> no...edgy
[02:18] <ogra> well, thne 5.0.x wont work unless he upgrades the server
[02:18] <ogra> *then
[02:18] <ogra> 5.0 ha dependencies not available in edgy
[02:18] <ogra> *has
[02:18] <cliebow_> he cited probs with network-manager...would simply manal edit of interfaces suffice there?
[02:19] <ogra> in edgy ? ther shouldnt be any probs with NM and ltsp ...
[02:19] <ogra> NM in edgy doesnt touch interfaces that are defined in the config file ...
[02:19] <cliebow_> he shied away from feisty cause of nm...
[02:20] <ogra> i have the fixed NM package running here already ;)
[02:20] <ogra> next upload should fix it for everyone
[02:21] <cliebow_> cool..so should be available pretty quick then..ill pass that on
[02:21] <ogra> not sure when Mithrandir wil upload it though ...
[02:23] <ogra> lol
[02:24] <ogra> while i wrote the above it did hit the archive :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/008321.html
[02:24] <cliebow_> heh..guess ill give it a try..
[02:24] <cliebow_> soon
[02:24] <ogra> yeah, it needs to build first :)
[02:24] <ogra> thats only the upload notice
[02:25] <ogra> but that should make many edubuntu users happy again :)
[02:25] <cliebow_> whic is a Good thing 8~)
[02:26] <ogra> yeah
[02:29] <knix_> morning all
[02:29] <knix_> did ogra get a chance to look at that issue with ltsp?
[02:29] <ogra> ??
[02:29] <ogra> "the *issue* with ltsp" ??
[02:31] <knix_> ya,  I cant boot to the server.  On a fresh install of edubuntu, booting to the server says tftp agent not found
[02:31] <knix_> and when i try and build-client etc  it says chroot fail
[02:32] <ogra> which release ?
[02:33] <knix_> ogra heres the story,  I want to get edubuntu in my job/school and so i did feisty, and I found out NM is broke.  so i installed edgy and no good
[02:34] <cliebow__> knix_:i ust talked to ogra on this..
[02:34] <ogra> knix_, are you kirk ?
[02:34] <cliebow__> nm should be available soon
[02:34] <cliebow__> for feisty
[02:34] <knix_> nope, i am oringinally stormchas3r
[02:34] <ogra> ah
[02:34] <knix_> o really
[02:35] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/008321.html <-- your fix :)
[02:35] <knix_> so i greatness
[02:35] <ogra> uploaded five min ago
[02:35] <knix_> you are the man
[02:35] <ogra> bug 100021 summarizes th eproblem btw
[02:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 100021 in ltsp "[Feisty]  LTSP fails on multi-homed server due to network manager touching predefined static interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100021
[02:36] <ogra> :)
[02:36] <knix_> so when will it be working
[02:36] <ogra> slow day today for the bot :)
[02:36] <ogra> as soon as the package has built
[02:36] <ogra> 1-2h from now should be fine ...
[02:36] <knix_> great, i will install feisty beta asap
[02:37] <knix_> ty
[02:37] <cliebow__> 8~)
[02:37] <knix_> thanks for the help yesterday cliebow_
[02:38] <cliebow__> sure...ogra tells me there deps that keep one from using 5.0.6 in edgy..so i was both wrong
[02:38] <knix_> i c,  thats why i had .024
[02:39] <cliebow__> .124
[02:39] <ogra> the 5.0 series is exclusively in feisty and later ...
[02:39] <knix_> ya that too
[02:39] <knix_> kewl
[02:39] <ogra> everything before where 0.xxx ones
[02:40] <ogra> (i bumped the version number to make it easier to determine for users that they run ltsp5)
[02:40] <knix_> roger
[02:41] <knix_> i know i asked this b4 but is there a way to join the eduubntu server to a windows domain?
[02:41] <maccam94> knix_, yes
[02:41] <maccam94> don't ask me how, but i read it somewhere
[02:42] <ogra> ajmitch wrote a tool :)
[02:42] <knix_> sweet
[02:42] <ogra> i dont know the link from the top of my head but it was on planet.ubuntu.com
[02:42] <knix_> great
[02:43] <knix_> so the problem i was having with feisty before was both nics would operate together, it was either on or the other.   This fix in NM will fix this?
[02:44] <ogra> yes
[02:44] <knix_> that made my day
[02:44] <knix_> :)
[02:44] <ogra> NM wont touch static interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces ... which is what the edubuntu installer does for ltsp
[02:45] <knix_> gotcha
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <knix_> morning
[04:06] <knix_> ogra, just checking, as of right now NM is still broke correct?
[04:06] <ogra> yes, until you get the updated package
[04:06] <knix_> ok, and what is the eta for that?
[04:08] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[04:09] <knix_> i see that for power pc
[04:11] <knix_> ogra, is this correct?  https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/317274
[04:12] <ogra> looks like
[04:12] <knix_> sweet, usually how long for that to hit the repos
[04:12] <ogra> if all arches have built it will be copied to the archive within about 30min
[04:12] <knix_> nice
[04:12] <knix_> ty
[04:50] <ogra> vagrantc, meet RichEd
[04:50] <ogra> RichEd, meet vagrantc
[04:50] <ogra> :)
[04:51] <vagrantc> greetings :)
[04:51] <RichEd> hi vagrantc ... good to meet you
[04:51] <RichEd> ogra has many kind & interesting words about you
[04:51] <vagrantc> ah, well, that's good to know :)
[04:52] <ogra> oh, mexico again ?
[04:52] <vagrantc> this is the part of mexico the US stole from mexico
[04:52] <ogra> ah
[04:52] <ogra> :)
[04:53] <RichEd> how unlike the US ;P
[05:05] <juliux> hi all
[05:05] <knix_> hello
[05:05] <ogra> hey juliux
[05:06] <juliux> hi ogra
[05:06] <juliux> ogra, i am sorry i have no time to test feisty:(
[05:06] <ogra> not once before 19th ?
[05:06] <knix_> ogra, I could test for ya
[05:06] <juliux> no chance
[05:07] <juliux> i have examen on 19th morning :(
[05:07] <ogra> knix_, that would be really appreciated ... we need any tester we can get :)
[05:07] <ogra> juliux, tsk ... totally overrated ... tell them you have more important stuff
[05:07] <ogra> ;)
[05:08] <juliux> ;)
[05:08] <knix_> ogra, great, count me in
[05:08] <knix_> I havent seen NM in the repo yet, I am paitently waiting
[05:08] <ogra> just monitor this room ... i'll get noisy if we have cadidates during the week
[05:13] <knix_> ogra, candidates?
[05:13] <ogra> isos ....
[05:13] <ogra> test candidates ....
[05:13] <knix_> kk
[05:14] <ogra> indeed you can test any iso image you like :)
[05:14] <ogra> but the announced ones are motre likely to work
[05:14] <ogra> *more
[05:14] <knix_> I installed beta and updated that,  couldnt i update NM thru that?
[05:16] <ogra> sure
[05:16] <knix_> Is there a link other than the one you gave me to monitor and know when NM will be available?
[05:16] <knix_> so I dont have to bug you
[05:17] <ogra> just run sudo apt-get update from time to time ...
[05:17] <ogra> the update-manager should tell you about it then
[05:17] <knix_> ha
[05:17] <knix_> ok
[05:18] <knix_> how do I get x11vnc installed on the client to monitor their screens?
[05:20] <ogra> enable universe in the chroot, then sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc ... and write a startscript in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc2.d  that attaches the vnc server to the local display
[05:21] <knix_> verynice, it's just i have no idea how to do that
[05:21] <knix_> :(
[05:22] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 makes you root in the clients /
[05:22] <ogra> all operations you do there then will affect all clients ...
[05:22] <knix_> ok
[05:22] <ogra> i.e. installing packages
[05:22] <ogra> or writing scripts
[05:23] <knix_> ok, no go for the scripts
[05:23] <knix_> but I would love to learn
[05:45] <cliebow_> knix_, lookslike networkmanager isready..
[05:46] <ogra> note that you have to reboot and that it will tear down your static interface during the package upgrade
[05:46] <ogra> at least it did that here
[05:47] <cliebow_> no worries 8~)
[05:47] <knix_> great
[05:49] <knix_> is there a guide to conifiguring x11vnc for thin clients?
[05:49] <ogra> wiki.ltsp.org might have something
[05:49] <knix_> ty
[05:50] <ogra> apart from that try to ignore the term "thin clients"
[05:50] <ogra> the thin client environment behaves like any other ubuntu
[05:50] <knix_> your right, my bad
[05:50] <ogra> so if u run the chroot command you can follow any howto for setting up vnc servers on ubuntu
[05:51] <knix_> great, ty for the tip
[05:51] <cliebow_> knix_:fwiw http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress
[05:52] <cliebow_> dont know just how this will port
[05:52] <knix_> ty
[06:06] <knix_> Please bare with me guys.  I chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386, then run apt-get install x11vnc, it says it couldnt find the package
[06:08] <knix_> so if I go into apt/sources.list there is nothing listed there
[06:08] <ogra> add universe to the sources.list file and run apt-get update
[06:08] <ogra> you can also copy over the one from the server
[06:08] <ogra> just make sure to run apt-get update after any change to it
[06:08] <knix_> ok, ty
[06:09] <knix_> that did it
[06:09] <knix_> gracias
[06:09] <knix_> i just copied the whold list over
[06:26] <knix_> alright, i install x11vnc in the chroot, try to run it and fail everytime
[06:30] <ogra> dont *run* it in the chroot :)
[06:30] <ogra> you can only run it from te client
[06:30] <ogra> s/from/on/
[06:34] <knix_> ok, if I run it from the client, it says "x error of failed request: Bad
[06:35] <knix_> Access (attempt to access private resourse denied)
[06:48] <greg_g> sorry to interrupt, don't answer if you are busy with that problem (it is more important) but...  What have you found to be the best source for the thin client hardware.  I did a basic look around the internet and the majority of products only support the Windows thin client.  Are there options for do it yourself people that want low cost and low power?
[06:49] <ogra> disklessworkstations.com
[06:50] <greg_g> thanks, *looks*
[06:50] <knix_> ogra, ok, im clueless here.  I am trying everything from the client to connect to the server and nada
[06:52] <cbx33> anyone here know iranian?
[06:52] <cbx33> or know what language this is?
[06:52] <cbx33> http://opmdream.blogspot.com/2007/04/top-ten-tips-for-not-burning-out-in.html
[06:53] <juliux> hi cbx33
[06:53] <cbx33> hey juliux #
[06:55] <knix_> cliebow_, you there?
[07:05] <greg_g> interesting how disklesscomputing's logo is sort of a rip of microsoft
[07:09] <knix_> ogra, I understand the concept.  When I start it on the client it fails.  I tested it on the server and it started fine.  Im not sure what im missing
[07:57] <knix_> ogra, i got x11vnc up and running on the client but the "thin client mangaer" still says unavailable, install x11vnc on the client
[08:06] <knix_> anyone else know?
[08:37] <greg_g> sorry knix, no idea, I'm just here lurking and learning
[08:38] <knix_> ya, me too, thanks anyway
[10:01] <zzaza> hi all
[11:59] <knix_> so when is the full release suppose to be out for feisty?


[00:12] <bluesabre> brainwash: Done, thanks.
[14:35] <brainwash> was this discussed yet? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/try-color-emoji-in-18-04/1492
[14:39] <brainwash> whether to add fonts-noto-color-emoji or not to Xubuntu
[18:40] <brainwash> ali1234: I'm not quite sure what to do with bug 1769774
[18:40] <brainwash> leaving it only on launchpad won't fix it
[18:41] <brainwash> you gotta inform the devs! :)
[18:42] <brainwash> you've tagged xubuntu-default-settings also. are there any changes needed in x-d-s?


[05:00] <maps> hi all
[05:43] <maps> hmmm what film to watch
[05:44] <maps> london has fallen or eye in the sky hms
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> sound of one, picture of the other
[05:44] <maps> lol
[05:55] <knightwise> good morning
[07:06] <MooDoo> well for any one wanting to play with nextcloud on ubuntu 16.04LTS server, let me tell you it's bloomin easy to install with snap :)
[07:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:26] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[07:29] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:33] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:33] <MooDoo> morning SuperMatt hows the job goinf?
[07:34] <SuperMatt> It's going well, finally managed to tackle OS X, and beat in to the kind of submission that gives me a semi-decent workflow
[07:37] <SuperMatt> although part of me is thinking of aliasing bash on this thing to "docker start supermatt/bash"
[07:37] <SuperMatt> and have a real command line
[07:38] <MooDoo> hehe :)
[07:38] <SuperMatt> though really I've just got zsh and oh-my-zsh to fill all the painful gaps left by Apple's refusal to upgrade bash beyond version 3
[07:52] <MooDoo> hehe
[07:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:25] <foobarry> anyone had dealings with pimoroni?
[08:25] <Myrtti> why?
[08:25] <Myrtti> I believe we have
[08:25] <foobarry> bought a pi zero on saturday, nothing arrived and no response to my emails
[08:25] <Myrtti> oh. Do you have a Twitter account?
[08:25] <foobarry> yep
[08:25] <Myrtti> complain there :-P
[08:26] <Myrtti> (I've not emailed them ever, just used Twitter. altho mine was just a 'look what I've done')
[08:27] <ali1234> i ordered a pi zero yesterday evening, they are back in stock now
[08:27] <ali1234> you probably encountered a glitch on their website
[08:28] <ali1234> i told you so :)
[08:28] <foobarry> lolz
[08:28] <ali1234> or maybe they'll ship it out to you now
[08:28] <ali1234> i dunno
[08:28] <foobarry> if they oversold they should just tell me
[08:28] <ali1234> they didn't sell out instantly this time so they'll probably honour your order if you bug them
[08:28] <foobarry> just tweeted them as per Myrtti advice
[08:29] <ali1234> they haven't oversold, they still have stock
[08:29] <ali1234> they probably didn't have stock on saturday though, hence why you have not got one yet
[08:29] <foobarry> they may have done on saturday
[08:29] <foobarry> altohugh i like the look of the chip for $9
[08:29] <foobarry> includes wifi , bt, etc
[08:29] <ali1234> well yeah i mean they might have had none at all
[08:30] <foobarry> must be a loss on that
[08:30] <ali1234> i ordered a chip in january i thnk
[08:30] <ali1234> pi 3 was released since then... its better i think
[08:39] <ali1234> apparently they did have a batch up last friday
[09:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Fresh Veggies Day! 😃
[09:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT0QHYKAA  you're welcome
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> thing that makes the chip more interesting is the pda case they plan to release for it
[09:23] <knightwise> morning peeps
[09:25] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZFqyAhvQWc thanks to JamesTait and fudgeday it led to this and I realised I remembered them all :(
[09:27] <JamesTait> Nope, not going there.
[09:27] <JamesTait> I already feel old enough, thank you.
[09:27] <MooDoo> oh dear
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I like the look of the PocketCHIP. So very tempted...
[09:30] <davmor2> 70's ads for car oil because men were manly back then and looked at their car engines rather than looking at the piece of plastic on top of one nowadays :D
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Thanks. I have realised I am now closer to retirement than I am to my memories of those adverts.
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> I would be more forthright, but this channel if meant to be family-friendly. :-P
[09:35] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: don't blame me JamesTait started it
[09:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: I know why ubuntu doesn't boot now, it can't handle drive sizes of >2tb on non uefi hardware...
[09:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: sorry boot drive sizes of greater than 2tb
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> What?
[09:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: stop trying to use ntfs already :P
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Is that an Ubuntu limitation, or something kernel-y that affects most distros?
[09:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: also use 64bit :P
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> Or maybe GRUB-y?
[09:53] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: don't think so, think it's a limitation of BIOS vs uefi
[09:53] <Switches> TwistedLucidity: It's actually neither, it's an MBR limitation and using GPT on non-UEFI systems can be a bit sketchy
[09:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush
[09:53] <MooDoo> Switches: that what i meant lol
[09:53] <MooDoo> guess it's use a small boot drive, then create another partition
[09:54] <Switches> If you run Windows is where the problem is as Windows can't boot from a GPT disk prior to (Windows 8 i think it was)
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> Switches: Ta, good to know when space gets tight on the home server (I had been considering 4TB drives)
[09:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh you mean you don't partition your drive well I have no sympathy then :P
[09:55] <MooDoo> it's wierd though as vmware esxi works fine as it's software gpt so sees it all :) which is what i'm uding at the moment
[09:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: bah humbug
[09:55] <Switches> Tbh as long as your Bios can see the full size and you don't run Windows you can just use GPT with a small "boot" partition at the start of the disk flagged as "bios_grub"
[09:55] <MooDoo> Switches: yes i've just read about that.
[09:56] <Switches> Well thats wrong actually it's not really a "boot" partition just a blank space marked for Grub to fake a EFI loader
[09:56] <MooDoo> not sure it's worth the hassle when I can just run a ubuntu vm [in my situation any way]
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> So it's not the physical drive, but whatever partition you're trying to boot from?
[09:57] <Switches> It depends tbh, if the VM has hardware passthrough and VT-x/VT-d imo it's pretty much worthless trying it on baremetal, if it lacks passthrough and either of the VT's then the performance suffers
[09:58] <Switches> Well kind of TwistedLucidity the problem is the way MS products read a bios with larger than 2tb drives
[09:59]  * TwistedLucidity checks channel
[09:59] <Switches> or well really it's how any OS handles bios calls
[10:01] <Switches> an original "bios" normally can't handle disks larger than 2tb, so the bios manufacturers kinda use a "firmware" fix for it to see them, that causes issues with MBR on the disks and things go all weird arse
[10:01] <MooDoo> stupid old computers lol
[10:01] <Switches> :D
[10:01] <Switches> That too MooDoo
[10:02] <MooDoo> I have a dell 2950 with 6 disks that's a 4.5TB raid 5 might have a play about
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: Stooopid sysadmins not partitioning I blame :P
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'll just raid 1 2 x drives and then raid 5 the rest ;) lol
[10:09] <MooDoo> :)
[10:09] <popey> Myrtti: TIL: sudo purge-old-kernels
[10:09] <Myrtti> ooh.
[10:10] <Myrtti> ah, part of byobu
[10:40] <SuperMatt> ok, maybe changing the date on my PC forward a couple of years was a bad idea...
[10:40] <SuperMatt> must only do that sort of thing in vms
[10:40] <MooDoo> lol
[10:41] <Switches> xD
[10:41] <SuperMatt> every thing I was using suddenly broke because certs were no longer valid
[10:41] <Myrtti> ahhahahhahaha I just purged kernels out and now I have to do it again
[10:41] <Myrtti> sweet jebus
[10:41] <Myrtti> ok, I'll reboot again then
[10:41] <Switches> Just don't put 2038 in.. the world will end!
[10:41] <SuperMatt> hah
[11:17] <ali1234> hmm... i never realised there's so much meat for sale on ebay
[11:17] <ali1234> i wonder how they deliver it
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> by general post... even the toughest steak is very tender after that... :-)
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> i've heard a few americans describing getting packages packed with dry ice
[11:26] <popey> I have had meat delivered
[11:27] <popey> in a cardboard box with loads of packing and ice blocks.
[11:27] <popey> it's rated to stay frozen for 24 hours on the doorstep
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> of course if it's cured meat an air tight package with nitrogren amto will do the trick
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> and hawaii gets through a lot of spam as it doesn't need any refrigeration iirc
[11:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:31] <popey> yo
[11:31] <bigcalm> Is it September yet?
[11:32] <bigcalm> popey: I'm thinking of getting a Volvo V40 D2 in a few years. What's your experience of Volvo been over time?
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> boxy but good? :-P
[11:34] <popey> I loved mine
[11:34] <popey> Not sure I'd buy a diesel these days
[11:36] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: Volvo - they're boxy but safe
[11:36] <bigcalm> Yes, I've been wondering about petrol vs diesel now
[11:36] <popey> getting rid of my volvo, i never use it
[11:36] <bigcalm> All of my cars have been diesel
[11:36] <popey> I'd quite like an electric car
[11:37] <bigcalm> I'd love an electric car, but my purse would not
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> the charging points at nearby tesco and shopping centre are often in use
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> and i have noticed i have to listen more carefully at junctions as leccy cars are much more silent as they approach
[11:43] <bigcalm> popey: have you experienced this with your pebble time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3WJ8zE3A4s (excuse the terrible video, it was late and dark)
[11:43] <popey> is it maps updating?
[11:43] <Myrtti> Volvo's arent' that boxy anymore
[11:43] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:43] <popey> yes, i saw it and made a similar video a year or more ago
[11:43] <bigcalm> Ah
[11:43] <popey> it's bonkers
[11:46]  * Switches grumbles under breath, people are stupid
[11:48] <Switches> Can anyone tell me why people think MS have bought Canonical because of the whole Ubuntu on Windows stuff?..
[11:49] <foobarry> "people"?
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> ms makes lots of deals with lots of companies... and for most of those companies it seems that later they end up with smelly end of the stick.
[11:50] <Switches> Well so far I've seen it on G+, Twitter and a few other places posted about..
[11:50] <MooDoo> Switches: it's been going about for years,
[11:51] <MooDoo> Switches: popey has been a secret MS employee for ages ;)
[11:51] <Switches> I know it just kinda gets to a point where you see it and just cba explaining to people that MS and Canonical are working "together"!
[11:52] <foobarry> ah, magically a piromoni email appears
[11:52] <foobarry> ali1234 theory seems correct. they either oversold or screwed up on sat
[11:52] <MooDoo> Switches: feed on this - http://techaeris.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Microsoft_Canonical.jpg ;)
[11:52] <Switches> The other thing that gets me is Canonical are in the "wrong" for working with MS, yet Redhat and Novell should be the "poster boys" for working with MS >.<
[11:53] <ali1234> nobody should ever work with MS
[11:53] <Switches> rofl
[11:53] <Switches> Why?
[11:53] <MooDoo> at the end of the day it's not a bad thing, what ever makes things better is always good
[11:53] <ali1234> can you name a company that has ever benefitted from a strategic partnership with MS?
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> stac, sendo worked with ms and ended up suing and winning against ms but are now still dead
[11:53] <foobarry> its never better for the other party
[11:53] <MooDoo> bash on windows is a fantastic idea and works quite well
[11:53]  * Switches was an oem for MS for 15 years, it had its ups and downs but made me and my company money..
[11:53] <foobarry> its just a project by one guy
[11:53] <foobarry> rather than a company collab
[11:54] <ali1234> that's not a strategic partnership... that's you selling MS products
[11:54] <MooDoo> i'd also like to see it the other way around as well, windows on ubuntu running windows apps natively from the os not using wine etc
[11:54] <ali1234> canonical aren't in that business
[11:55] <ali1234> nokia were though... went great
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> nokia actually may have done better than ms from that deal.. a rare instance
[11:57] <Switches> MooDoo: That would be a good thing
[11:57] <ali1234> considering that the deal was done only to eliminate nokia as a competitor and ended when microsoft decided they didn't want to be in that market any more... no
[11:58] <Switches> Guess that's one way to look at it
[11:59] <SuperMatt> https://blog.mozilla.org/tanvi/2016/06/16/contextual-identities-on-the-web/ - oh man, this is going to be awesome. I means I can be signed out of facebook, amazon, google, etc for most of my browsing, but then I can select the personal context for certain tabs, and they'll be logged in
[11:59] <foobarry> http://boingboing.net/2016/06/15/intel-x86-processors-ship-with.html
[11:59] <foobarry> had problems due to AMT already
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> but now nokia has bought alcatel and a number of wearable companies and looks set to re-enter the market
[11:59] <foobarry> windows machines in sleep state were flooding our 1Gb network due to AMT somehow
[12:01] <Switches> Yay more stuff on Intel ME :p
[12:01] <ali1234> alcatel phones are terrible
[12:01] <foobarry> SuperMatt: poor choice of name though: containers
[12:01] <foobarry> i picture a phone from the 90s when i hear alcatel
[12:02] <ali1234> as for wearables... there's certainly a lot of room in that market... but if they just make another rubbish fitness band or overpriced smartwatch then they are toast
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> i have one ali1234 cheap and nasty software, the hardware isn't bad
[12:02] <Switches> Don't worry before long Intel and Redhat will have everything under their control muhahaha :p
[12:02] <SuperMatt> foobarry: sure, but it helps techs quickly understand what's happening
[12:08] <Switches> foobarry: That looks to be a really interesting read, had a scan over it will read it properly later (pocketed) lol
[12:59] <foobarry> COME ON ENGLAND!
[13:00] <foobarry> problem with working in IT is lack of enthusiasm for football among colleagues
[13:01] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/16/lester_haines_obituary/ :(
[13:02] <popey> my tv stream is so bad, the football looks like FIFA 2010
[13:04] <MooDoo> I've got it open on a tab in the background, if it gets exciting i'll switch to it lol
[13:04] <foobarry> iplayer?
[13:04] <foobarry> mine seems fine
[13:05] <foobarry> flash performance sucks a bit
[13:06] <popey> tvcatchup
[13:08] <foobarry> iplayer seems fine here
[13:11] <MooDoo> ah nice to england in can't finish mode again lol
[13:11] <foobarry> sterling is lame
[13:14] <DJones_> Sheesh, an MP has been shot & stabbed in yorkshire
[13:15] <MooDoo> blimey
[13:16] <daftykins> :/
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> that won't affect the brexit vote in any way... :-/
[13:17] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304
[13:17] <MooDoo> no it won't just wondering what it was all abou
[13:25] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/xPoW8  top one tvcatchup, bottom is iplayer
[13:25] <diplo> Guys, I've got a customer who wants to backup to a usbdrive every minute of pdf files that their system has created, I need to check drives are mounted or not because staff remove other drives that are plugged in, this is a 1tb drive so not flash, I was just wondering whether it causes damage to drives constantly mounting / unmounting them ?
[13:26] <diplo> Linux box, with a ntfs usb drive
[13:29] <daftykins> oh you'll have some horrible permissions woes there i'd bet, using NTFS on the external
[13:30] <daftykins> that idea doesn't sound so nice to me, what volume of PDFs are we talking?
[13:30] <diplo> Thousands
[13:30] <diplo> Not had any perm issues on the backup
[13:31] <diplo> More worried about the drive being mounted/unmounted quite often for wear and tear
[13:31] <diplo> As in writing to the drive I mean, not keeping the permissions
[13:32] <daftykins> it's a disk and mounting is just reading, can't see any issues unless the machine and power supply to this drive aren't UPS'd
[13:32] <diplo> Very hard work customer who basically wants any paper invoice he creates on his counter create a pdf and sync it to a usb device every minute in case of issues with anything
[13:33] <diplo> He's quite a high maintenance customer, so bosses rather we just do what he asks than try to argue
[13:34] <daftykins> well, it won't be a very good backup if the power goes :>
[13:34] <daftykins> if the initial copy is on a single disk i'd have more issues with that
[13:35] <ali1234> diplo: mount/unmount shouldn't do anything... the drive doesn't know if it's mounted after all
[13:36] <daftykins> unless it were uncleanly unmounted, you get that error message about NTFS ones no?
[13:36] <ali1234> yeah
[13:36] <ali1234> it might even refuse to mount with NTFS if it is not clean
[13:38] <diplo> yeah it does, basically tried a less good solution with fstab before
[13:39] <diplo> It is supposed to stay plugged in and use the same mount point, but the guys staff are unplugging it i'm sure, so it tries remounting as a different drive sde at the same path and fails because its already mounted ( although its not )
[13:39] <diplo> I've got lots of ways around it, just wanted to check me unmounting it constantly wouldn't do any issues
[13:39] <SuperMatt> Shouldn't do
[13:43] <daftykins> diplo: did you use /dev/sdx or UUID?
[13:43] <daftykins> i guess being in fstab would get ignored if someone removed it though
[13:44] <diplo> I'm using uuid now
[13:44] <popey> oops
[13:45] <daftykins> honestly it should just never be touched and be UPS'd, the host and this drive
[13:45] <daftykins> if that can't be handled, then this customer needs to handle his own staff
[13:45] <daftykins> hmm naughty IPs trying to hit the Austrian lad i know again - <IP_ADDRESS> - - [16/Jun/2016:15:40:11 +0200] "POST /xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.0" 200 581 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)"
[13:45] <daftykins> wordpress abusers
[13:47] <diplo> Sorry, lost internet
[13:48] <diplo> Yep, had this discussion with the boss, basically he says if you agree with what the customer says he disagrees with what he formely said and if you disagree with him its all out war
[13:48] <diplo> They've tried dropping him and hes threatened to take him to courts
[13:48] <diplo> PITA :/
[13:49] <daftykins> that doesn't sound like the world i live in XD
[13:49] <zmoylan-pi> that's one way to build customer relationship....
[13:50] <daftykins> i heard a great line yesterday, "if 10% of your customers are causing 90% of the trouble, that's ok if they're bringing you 90% of your profits"
[13:50] <daftykins> if not, bye bye
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> one of the weirdest/toughest programmes i wrote was for a service based database called troublesome customers... initially it was simply to look for on site callouts within last 30 days, covered v uncovered. but every customer had a difference idea of what a troublesome customer was
[13:54] <daftykins> would you tend to charge for follow up support calls, even if they were resolved within 5 minutes?
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> the company worked on support contracts which were fairly liberal in terms of accomodating the customer... 99% of calls were covered by support contract
[13:57] <zmoylan-pi> they'd pretty much have to be standing over the smouldering pc with a lump hammer saying 'i'm really glad i killed the bloody thing' before we'd charge them :-)
[13:57] <daftykins> heh
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> sometimes even then...
[14:50] <popey> *applause*
[14:55] <bigcalm> There's a lot of shouting happening outside the office window
[14:56] <popey> haha
[14:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: 2-1 to England
[14:56] <MooDoo> we did a russia
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> invaded poland?
[14:57] <MooDoo> no silly scored in injury time
[15:02] <foobarry> my iplayer got paused somehow and we were watching 5 mins delayed
[15:08] <diplo> Spoilers!!!!!!!!!
[15:08] <diplo> :)
[15:23] <daftykins> when i fire up my baseball streams, i'm always 20 seconds behind mates in the US :( they see it all happen and comment before!
[15:23] <daftykins> no the plus side, it's a good way to make you pay attention...
[16:19] <Myrtti> well.
[16:21] <daftykins> https://roketman.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/well_well_well.jpg
[16:21] <Myrtti> she died ;__;
[16:22] <daftykins> who?
[16:22] <Myrtti> the shot MP
[16:22] <daftykins> omw
[16:22] <daftykins> any details yet?
[16:24] <Myrtti> I suppose.
[16:25] <Myrtti> BBC News is on it quite well
[16:26] <Myrtti> :-|
[16:29] <bashrc> shocked middle class sensibilities
[16:30] <bashrc> was there a motive?
[16:30] <daftykins> no info yet it would seem
[16:30] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-leeds-36543180
[16:30] <daftykins> updates there
[16:31] <bashrc> it's sad when people become victims of violence. There's a lot of it about, and most of it doesn't get onto the BBC news.
[16:33] <daftykins> weird for a gun crime to crop up in England, or at least it is to me
[16:36] <Newman101> Good grief... MP listening her constituents murdered. This is beyond belief.
[16:36] <zmoylan-1i> would it make such big news if the victim wasn't an mp?
[16:37] <daftykins> most likely not
[16:38] <Azelphur> Tempted to buy a surface 3 and put Linux on it, anyone have any recommendations around that?
[16:38] <Azelphur> I like that it has a long battery life and supports USB charging, yet can run a full OS
[16:39] <daftykins> not sure about the 3, but the pro 4 a client has suffers from that sleep bug and so i'm advising everyone avoid it like the plague
[16:39] <daftykins> tempting to say it could be a win10 thing, but the fact they keep trying to fix it with firmware updates says otherwise o0
[16:43] <Newman101> Dualboot might be an option but if you run solely Linux you won't get firmware updates because they are distributed through Windows updates.
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> what are the surface keyboards like.  they seem very... flat looking with little travel
[16:51] <Newman101> To put it mildly, problematic.
[16:51] <Newman101> The keyboard stops responding occasionally.
[16:52] <daftykins> the keys on the type cover for the surface 4 seem very nice, i set one of those up - though £104.99 at Gatwick airport for one, it better be
[16:53] <daftykins> Newman101: which model is that?
[16:54] <Newman101> daftykins: Surface Pro 3.
[16:55] <Newman101> daftykins: usually the problem is solved by shutting down, holding down the volume up + power, then powering the surface again.
[16:55] <daftykins> mmm i found the key travel was a bit better on the newer type cover
[16:58] <Newman101> Also, auto-rotate tends to stop working occasionally which is VERY annoying.
[17:26] <Azelphur> Newman101: ah, so basically I shouldn't buy a surface
[17:26] <Azelphur> that's a shame, I wanted something long life and microusb charging
[17:28] <popey> chromebook
[17:29] <Azelphur> popey: is there an x86 chromebook with usb charging?
[17:31] <brmbrmcar> Chromebook?
[17:31] <brmbrmcar> hehehe
[17:47] <popey> Azelphur: the hp ones are I think
[19:19] <daftykins> *gasp* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/16/adobe_36_flash_flaws/
[19:19] <daftykins> ;)
[19:19] <popey> NO WAI
[19:20] <daftykins> ikr!
[21:54] <zleap> anyone had issues with the 16.04 mini iso file,  just tried to write to a external usb disk and it just shows up blank
[22:24] <maps> hola
[22:24] <maps> que pasa


[05:24] <Greg-AtlantaGA> Greetings everyone! I am a linux newbie, but fairly computer knowledgeable, I have some slick fujitsu p1120 units, but the bios will not allow me to boot from CD
[05:25] <Greg-AtlantaGA> However, i have another new dell laptop, which I can boot from an ISO and load lubuntu onto a hard drive which will go into one of these things, would that work?
[05:25] <Greg-AtlantaGA> or does it customize itself to the device? how should I prep the HD which is going into a p1120?
[05:26] <Greg-AtlantaGA> I could PXE it, but its pxe is old as hell... likely useless
[05:26] <Greg-AtlantaGA> any advice would be great, thanks so much
[05:26] <Greg-AtlantaGA> *note, the p1120 does not come with a cd drive, it is a sub-notebook
[05:44] <revildab> So I'm having issues with my sound.  Both the onboard and my soundcard are properly identified and listed when I do a lspci -v . Both show up in alsamixer, but I cant actually choose which one to output to.
[05:50] <Unit193> Greg-AtlantaGA: I take it you also can't boot from USB?
[05:50] <Unit193> !boot | Greg-AtlantaGA
[05:56] <Greg-AtlantaGA> Greetings Unit! I was ebaying!!
[05:56] <Greg-AtlantaGA> Umm, not sure but I think not
[05:57] <Greg-AtlantaGA> It will boot only to floppy
[05:57] <Greg-AtlantaGA> However, I have full access to hard drive via a newer dell which will boot on any flavor you choose
[05:58] <Greg-AtlantaGA> Ah, I see the readings, running over there to check it out, thanks ubot!
[06:07] <jmarsden> Greg-AtlantaGA: There are floppies that act as a way to boot from a CD when the BIOS won't do it for you... SmartBootManager is one of them.
[06:15] <Greg-AtlantaGA> jamrsden, I have no usb cdrom however, and this thing is usb 1.0 so its dark ages, what I am trying first is to install lubuntu using this new dell I have, get it installed on the hard drive, then boot the p1120 and see if it runs
[06:15] <Greg-AtlantaGA> will it run? or during setup does it customize itself to the system?
[06:16] <Greg-AtlantaGA> because I know windows, for instance, if I take the hard drive in my fujitsu pc and put it in my dell, windows freaks out and crashes, lubuntu, not sure
[06:20] <jmarsden> Greg-AtlantaGA: Linux does that much less than Windows does, your chances of success that way are fairly high.  You may need to play with networking stuff to edit MAC addresses etc but basic Linux booting and running should be fine.
[06:25] <Greg-AtlantaGA> so during install it probes the mac of the nic and wifi, and hardcodes that somewhere in a config file, so I will just have to edit that later is what you are saying?
[06:25] <Greg-AtlantaGA> I was planning on imaging this hard drive if I liked lubuntu, is there a way I could leave that mac stuff blank and have it just source it itself as opposed to me having to manually edit every machine which runs lubuntu?
[06:25] <jmarsden> Greg-AtlantaGA: Yes.
[06:26] <jmarsden> I'm not sure about the "imaging" thing...
[06:26] <Greg-AtlantaGA> acronis images everything, pie easy
[06:27] <Greg-AtlantaGA> even a windows point click idiot like me can do it, so i was hoping to do that here but, your suggesting I will have to get in there and fix each machines config or else the routers going to shit when it sees three machines with identical macs
[06:27] <jmarsden> The file you care about for the MAC addresses is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[06:28] <jmarsden> I *think* if you edit out the rules and the system finds new NICs it will add new rules for the new ones, so you may be in luck.
[06:29] <jmarsden> The script that creates those rules is at /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[06:29] <Greg-AtlantaGA> pure genius... ok, stay tuned... we are about done with the install on new dell
[06:30] <Greg-AtlantaGA> well... question is will it run that script again, possibly if no rules are in place or if I delete all nics in rules config
[06:30] <jmarsden> It should get run at every boot, as far as I know and from a comment in the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file
[06:31] <jmarsden> How many of these things are you going to run Lubuntu on?? :)
[06:32] <Greg-AtlantaGA> if this thing runs lubuntu like baller I'm totally wiping out xp on all of those little guys, they are great laptops but slow as hell
[06:32] <Greg-AtlantaGA> I have 35 at present
[06:32] <Greg-AtlantaGA> if I can't get them to work right, you may inherit one
[06:33] <Greg-AtlantaGA> or someone with linux know-how, to get an image I can use that is linux on these little guys that work
[06:33] <jmarsden> OK... :)  BTW if the CPU is i586 not i686 you might need to revert back to 10.04 LTS
[06:33] <Greg-AtlantaGA> great machines, touch screen, small, portable, cool, just 700mhz crusoe
[06:33] <Greg-AtlantaGA> um... no idea, google p1120
[06:34] <jmarsden> have you read http://sifter.org/~simon/journal/20030911.html which is someone's blog of doing this back in 2003-2005?
[06:34] <Greg-AtlantaGA> It should be, its 2004 era
[06:35] <bioterror> crusoe
[06:35] <bioterror> havent heard that name for a while
[06:35] <bioterror> flybooks were awesome
[06:36] <Greg-AtlantaGA> shit
[06:36] <Greg-AtlantaGA> its likely installing 686 as we speak no?
[06:36] <Greg-AtlantaGA> and I need to have it install 586?
[06:37] <jmarsden> Which release of Lubuntu are you installing?  10.04 LTS will be fine, 11.04 probably will not be so fine.
[06:38] <Greg-AtlantaGA> 11.04 is installing, just finished... what should I do?
[06:38] <bioterror> boot it :D
[06:39] <Greg-AtlantaGA> "oh, you don't know how to swim? that's ok! just jump over there on the deep end side, a few seconds and you'll figure it out!!"
[06:40] <jmarsden> Greg-AtlantaGA: boot it and see what happens is probably worth a try... it might boot OK...
[06:40] <Greg-AtlantaGA> if it doesn't work, the lifeguard is hot
[06:41] <bioterror> if it does not boot, try 10.04 ;)
[06:43]  * jmarsden waits for the Fujitsu to boot, but (given how slow it is) refuses to hold his breath :)
[06:43] <Greg-AtlantaGA> haha
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> he is swimming....
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> past boot
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> loading
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> black screen...shit
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> chink...
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> chink....
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> still no screen
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> WAIT!
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> MOUSE!
[06:44] <Greg-AtlantaGA> WHITE!
[06:45] <Greg-AtlantaGA> AND LOGIN!
[06:45] <Greg-AtlantaGA> hot damn!
[06:47] <Greg-AtlantaGA> its got some sex appeal, I have to say lu looks nice
[06:48] <jmarsden> Cool.   You don't need a GUI for that, do you?
[06:54] <jmarsden> Oh, but "Runs in Linux Wine environment" ???  Weird, why do network stuff in Windows when you have Linux? :)
[06:55] <Greg-AtlantaGA> dude is friendly, graphical, two clicks I can see everything, and I can work it so, thats why
[06:56] <jmarsden> OK :)  I meant more, why did the people who wrote it write it for Windows rather than for Linux :)
[06:56] <Greg-AtlantaGA> touch doesnt work... bummer
[06:57] <Greg-AtlantaGA> thats a good question, but I'm glad they did or else I wouldn't have found it
[06:57] <jmarsden> I'd be fairly amazed if it worked out of the box.  But there may be some old driver code around somewhere on the net for it.
[07:00] <Greg-AtlantaGA> its gotten pretty good, I still am floored by how much linux has changed, it hasn't caught up to windows gui or integration as of yet but its getting damn close
[07:00] <Greg-AtlantaGA> the things it does, it does damn well
[07:01] <Greg-AtlantaGA> its just a matter of time really...
[07:01] <Greg-AtlantaGA> but the use case is totally different so, you can't even compare them really
[07:05] <Greg-AtlantaGA> what should I use to edit/fix those macs?
[07:05] <Greg-AtlantaGA> what is the command to do that?
[07:07] <jmarsden> Any text editor will be fine.
[07:07] <jmarsden> You will need to be root to edit files in there, so something like     sudo nano /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[07:10] <Greg-AtlantaGA> should I just delete everything in there then?
[07:11] <Greg-AtlantaGA> as it will regenerate right?
[07:15] <jmarsden> You can, I'd leave the top five lines of comments in and just delete out any lines below that
[07:16] <jmarsden> Then reboot, and then see whether networking works :)
[07:20]  * jmarsden is yawning, and has a server install to deal with half way up a mountain tomorrow morning... I'll go to bed but leave the client logging the channel.
[07:21] <Greg-AtlantaGA> nice, I have a girlfriend that I must drive to tybee island at 8am... I should be heading along too
[07:21] <Greg-AtlantaGA> thanks for the help marsden
[07:21] <Greg-AtlantaGA> best wishes
[07:22] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  Goodnight!
[07:22] <Greg-AtlantaGA> and thanks everyone else, goodnight
[07:23] <Unit193> Have a good one!
[09:12] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[09:13] <kosaidpo|> i tried last night lubuntu live usb to upgade with it my actual one but there's no option i have only the install one
[09:13] <kosaidpo|> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1104-natty.html
[09:22] <kosaidpo|> i guess the team wud add this featur in the next release it wud be awesome ; ]
[10:23] <kernelnewbie> Hello, how can I turn off the sounds on xfce?
[10:28] <bioterror> :o
[10:30] <pythoned> anyone here?:)
[10:30] <bioterror> I am
[10:33] <pythoned> bioterror:  Do you know how I can disable sound notifications in lxde? I searched on google but found nothing relevant that can help me.
[10:46] <Tenochito> How do i upgrade flash, it is asking me on youtube
[10:47] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update
[10:47] <bioterror> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:50] <Tenochito> it is the latest
[10:50] <Tenochito> just finished installing it
[10:51] <pythoned> Maybe you have javascript disabled?
[10:52] <bioterror> haaaa
[10:52] <bioterror> Tenochito, you have lubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[10:53] <Tenochito> no idea, i just installed and then updated on synaptic.
[10:53] <bioterror> install that package
[10:53] <bioterror> restart your browser and try youtube again
[10:53] <Tenochito> i just checked and it is istalled java or allowed
[10:53] <bioterror> youtube works even older flash
[10:55] <Tenochito> another thing i noticed is that i can not turn volume down either on audacios or ont he applet in the bottom right
[10:55] <bioterror> how about with alsamixer?
[10:56] <Tenochito> have not tried that yet lets see
[10:57] <Tenochito> only pcm control
[10:57] <Tenochito> works to turn down and up volume on alsamixer
[11:01] <bioterror> :D
[11:49] <Veneficus> greetings everyone
[11:49] <Veneficus> i have a noob question>
[11:50] <Veneficus> i was poking around in lubuntu 11.04 and i have removed power button from panel
[11:50] <Veneficus> and i cant seem to bring it back... any ideas?
[11:56] <MrChrisDruif> Veneficus: I'm using Ubuntu (gnome) experience here, but right mouse button on the bar and it'll appear a menu with options like adding stuff to the bar?
[11:56] <MrChrisDruif> s/bar/panel
[12:03] <Veneficus> yeah, i am using ubuntu on other comps, but this is rather old laptop so i have decided on lubuntu. unfortunatly there is no option to add power button in "add panel items"
[12:04] <Veneficus> what did you mean by s/bar/panel?
[12:04] <MK``> s/x/y is a function meaning replace x with y
[12:07] <MrChrisDruif> s=switch
[12:07] <MK``> I am used to 'switch' being used in the C way :P
[12:08] <MrChrisDruif> MK``: I'm not the only to use it this way, it's pretty standard
[12:09] <MK``> I mean just the word itself is all :P
[12:10] <MrChrisDruif> But I'm not running Lubuntu atm, so I can't check for you Veneficus
[12:11] <szczur> MK``, i have solution
[12:11] <szczur> but i need to check it
[12:11] <szczur> wait for a while
[12:11] <bioterror> rm -rf .config
[12:11] <bioterror> :D
[12:11] <bioterror> ahaha
[12:13] <szczur> open your ~/.config/lxpanel/default/panels file
[12:13] <Veneficus> k, thx to bioterror suggestion, i have found a config...
[12:13] <Veneficus> k
[12:13] <Veneficus> opened
[12:13] <szczur> and add these line at the end
[12:14] <szczur> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/604049/
[12:14] <szczur> logout and log back in
[12:15] <Veneficus> will be right back
[12:16] <MK``> Anyone have the Maverick alpha and beta isos?... I cannot find them anywhere
[12:16] <MK``> Google only returns dead torrents that were just scraped
[12:18] <Veneficus> i m back
[12:18] <Veneficus> it worked
[12:18] <bioterror> MK``, hardly
[12:18] <Veneficus> thanks, its appreciated
[12:19] <bioterror> I used maverick betas just by upgrading
[12:19] <MK``> :o?
[12:20] <bioterror> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Lubuntu-50492.shtml :D
[12:23] <MK``> That seems to have been replaced by 11.04
[12:24] <bioterror> yep
[12:24] <bioterror> and why would you want to download 10.10 beta
[12:24] <bioterror> as the final is perfect <3
[12:24] <MK``> People always ask that when they give up looking XD
[12:25] <bioterror> as I've used those betas, I know what I'm talking about
[12:25] <MK``> "Why do you want it anyway", cuz I do D:
[12:25] <bioterror> and that's why I'm wondering
[12:25] <MrChrisDruif> Same here
[12:25] <bioterror> there's really no cool factor points in share for using old betas
[12:28] <Paintman> Hi. Where can I download Lubuntu alternate 11.04?
[12:29] <bioterror> Paintman, atm. you have to use mini install and after installation run "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends"
[12:29] <Paintman> When it is scheduled to be released?
[12:30] <Paintman> Can I use the Lubuntu alternate 10.10 too?
[12:30] <bioterror> sure, why not
[12:30] <bioterror> "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[12:30] <Paintman> and then update?
[12:30] <bioterror> for upgrading to 11.04
[12:30] <Paintman> ok :D
[12:31] <Paintman> it's lik a "clean" install?
[12:32] <MrChrisDruif> There is an alternative CD for 10.10
[12:32] <bioterror> really?
[12:32] <Paintman> yes
[12:32] <Paintman> but not for 11.04
[12:32] <Paintman> (yet)
[12:33] <MrChrisDruif> No, but someone is going to build them shortly :)
[12:33] <MrChrisDruif> Just read it in the mailing-list today
[12:35] <Paintman> where can I read the mailing list?
[12:36] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[12:36] <MrChrisDruif> Or quicker: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+join
[12:39] <Paintman> MrChrisDruif: can you give me a link to the thread?
[12:42] <MrChrisDruif> Paintman: Thread? BRB
[12:43] <Paintman> to the thread about building Lubuntu alternate 11.04
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> Paintman: I'll check
[12:54] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, there appears to be missing some entries in the mailing-list archive :-/
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> "For the time being, I can go ahead and whip up a 64 bit .iso if there is any interest in me doing so. It shouldn't take but a couple of hours. I have most of one put together already as I'll need it to build the 64 bit Peppermint release. Kendall Weaver"
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> Copied from my own trash bin :P
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> Guys, lubuntu-desktop wasn't available right? you'd need to install lxde-session right?
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> I'm talking someone through the installation process
[13:01] <Paintman> I am a newbie.
[13:01] <Paintman> ;P
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> From a current Ubuntu installation
[13:09] <smoothtaste> http://imgur.com/2Md8k
[13:09] <smoothtaste> That's my lubuntu daily
[13:10] <Paintman> nice.
[13:10] <smoothtaste> :)
[13:12] <MrChrisDruif> smoothtaste: That is f*cking awesome sweet :D
[13:13] <MrChrisDruif> smoothtaste: No power button?
[13:14] <smoothtaste> nah
[13:14] <smoothtaste> when i hit my pulldown
[13:14] <smoothtaste> i can logout, which has been modified to include suspend, hibernate, etc. in this release
[13:14] <smoothtaste> and seein as im on a toshiba satellite
[13:14] <smoothtaste> suspend A LOT. :P
[13:15] <MrChrisDruif> Hibernate doesn't seem to work properly on my install. Ubuntu 10.10 based Elementary OS
[13:15] <bioterror> who hibernates?
[13:15] <bioterror> there's no benefits for it
[13:15] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: Uses no power like shutting down, but opens opened up windows etc...
[13:16] <smoothtaste> suspend jumpstarts my fan :)
[13:16] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, technically you can do the same with any smart window manager
[13:16] <bioterror> "save state" check - yes :D
[13:16] <smoothtaste> yup
[13:16] <smoothtaste> just a matter of organizing and believing
[13:17] <bioterror> but suspending laptop wont take any more power than hibernating
[13:17] <bioterror> only if you unplug the power cable from wall :D
[13:18] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: Why would I wanna use it any way?
[13:18] <new_kid1> how to disable desktop effects in lxde ???
[13:19] <bioterror> there's none?
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> There desktop effects? =-O
[13:20] <new_kid1> Yes when I minimize / maximize windows they kind of are I cant exactly explain
[13:20] <bioterror> that's openbox stuff
[13:21] <new_kid1> well then can those be disabled ??

[13:22] <bioterror> could it be that?
[13:22] <new_kid1> how?
[13:22] <smoothtaste> 3rd party app
[13:22] <smoothtaste> very like
[13:22] <smoothtaste> similiar to compiz or emerald
[13:22] <smoothtaste> prolly inheirited in a "batch" download.
[13:36] <HeerSMZett> lo ppl
[13:38] <bioterror> hi
[13:38] <HeerSMZett> hmm lo ppl
[13:38] <bioterror> hmm hi
[13:39] <HeerSMZett> any known problems with tha aspire one laptop and lubuntu? i tryed it but it returns direct to inlog screen
[13:40] <HeerSMZett> hmm does he got that problem to :P
[13:40] <HeerSMZett> ?
[13:40] <bioterror> there's problem in logging in, I assume
[13:40] <bioterror> something does not get loaded or something
[13:42] <HeerSMZett> possible it returns to the black scren with grey letters fast and than after les than a second to the login screen
[13:43] <smoothtaste> are you selecting openbox/gnome or openbox/kde at the login screen?
[13:45] <HeerSMZett> just lubuntu
[13:46] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:46] <bioterror> I would go to tt1
[13:46] <smoothtaste> downloaded a lot of stuff lately?
[13:47] <smoothtaste> or upgrade?
[13:47] <bioterror> login, sudo service lxdm stop
[13:47] <smoothtaste> good call bioterror!
[13:47] <bioterror> and then with xinit start openbox-session
[13:47] <HeerSMZett> i upgraded all lately
[13:47] <bioterror> that's what I would do
[13:48] <bioterror> tty1 even
[13:48] <HeerSMZett> ?
[13:49] <HeerSMZett> i tryed openbox to and it was olny a rightmousebutton menu. but how can i make my wlan active?
[13:49] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:49] <bioterror> okay
[13:49] <bioterror> so you can get to openbox
[13:50] <bioterror> but lxde stuff crashes
[13:50] <HeerSMZett> yep
[13:51] <bioterror> I would like to someday know the exact lubuntu starting command, so it would be easier to diag things like these
[13:52] <HeerSMZett> hm
[13:52] <HeerSMZett> hmm
[13:52] <HeerSMZett> i reinstalled it en will now test it again
[13:52] <HeerSMZett> brb
[13:52] <bioterror> okay
[13:54] <HeerSMZett> lo again
[13:54] <HeerSMZett> i now started up agian lubuntu.
[13:54] <HeerSMZett> it works now
[13:54] <HeerSMZett> strange
[13:54] <HeerSMZett> did nothing diffrent
[13:55] <bioterror> the position of moon has changed a little bit
[13:55] <HeerSMZett> yes thats true and the planets are more on one line now
[13:56] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, I should've told you that...:)
[13:57] <HeerSMZett> yep
[13:57] <HeerSMZett> foei jangen
[13:57] <bioterror> HeerSMZett, yes, if you look that line with sun
[13:57] <HeerSMZett> jongen
[13:57] <HeerSMZett> hmm
[13:58] <bioterror> installing lubuntu needs precise timing
[13:58] <HeerSMZett> damn i starting to type shity now
[13:58] <bioterror> city
[13:59] <HeerSMZett> yeah but why? is it not more cool to use temperature than timing?
[13:59] <MrChrisDruif> HeerSMZett: Imagen me....switching between English and Dutch all the time :P
[13:59] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, your language is weird!
[13:59] <HeerSMZett> why?
[14:00] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: I know?
[14:00] <bioterror> it just makes less sense than german or france :D
[14:00] <HeerSMZett> why?
[14:00] <HeerSMZett> i think dutch is a nice language
[14:00] <MrChrisDruif> France is just crappy....can't make heads or toes out of it
[14:01] <HeerSMZett> na the local versions are great
[14:01] <bioterror> but you guys should learn to swear in finnish!
[14:01] <HeerSMZett> france is crap. i really dislike that language
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> HeerSMZett: You'd be wrong, it's a language which is based upon exceptions
[14:02] <HeerSMZett> yeah but the local way of speaking it is great its one of the oldest language of the world lokal saxon
[14:02] <HeerSMZett> niedersaxon
[14:02] <HeerSMZett> yeah!
[14:02] <HeerSMZett> :P
[14:03] <gNewPower> Hi!  Am I correct in assuming that Lubuntu is 100% community driven and that Shuttlework and/or Canonical have no control over it?
[14:04] <bioterror> gNewPower, no control yet
[14:04]  * gNewPower is at work, so he might be interrupted for a while
[14:04] <HeerSMZett> gnewpower?
[14:04] <gNewPower> yet?
[14:04] <gNewPower> yes
[14:05] <phillw> gNewPower: we are following the guidelines so we can gain full adoption.
[14:05] <gNewPower> phillw, but they cannot make decisions like forcing the adoption of a desktop, right?
[14:05] <gNewPower> or, say, force Lubuntu to use application x y z
[14:05] <phillw> gNewPower: no, they cannot.
[14:05] <gNewPower> ok
[14:05] <gNewPower> thanks
[14:06] <gNewPower> I think I will adopt Lubuntu
[14:06] <gNewPower> I am a big Ubuntu fan, but the latest stuff from Shuttleworth and Canonical pisses me off
[14:06] <gNewPower> and I don't like how Unity and Gnome3 try to become mac-like
[14:06] <gNewPower> and LXDE looks fantastic
[14:07] <bioterror> those are things you just have to live with
[14:07] <bioterror> gnome3 broke lots of things
[14:07] <bioterror> for a ordinary user
[14:07] <gNewPower> does Lubuntu use the same repos as Ubuntu?
[14:07] <bioterror> yes
[14:07] <gNewPower> I mean - has access to the same applications
[14:07] <HeerSMZett> i find lubuntu a big xp like menu and things
[14:07] <phillw> gNewPower: they are taking ubuntu in a new direction, kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu will all retain our own DE's
[14:08] <gNewPower> phillw, great, that is EXCATLY what I need then
[14:08] <bioterror> kubuntu is nice
[14:08] <gNewPower> lastly, lubuntu also has free universe multiuniverse partners?
[14:08] <bioterror> ys
[14:08] <bioterror> yes
[14:09] <bioterror> same stuff
[14:09] <bioterror> nothing is different except the eyecandy what you see
[14:09] <bioterror> candy is dandy!
[14:09] <gNewPower> great!  you made my day :-)
[14:09] <gNewPower> brb
[14:12] <needhelp> Hello! I have a question: I searched your website and with google, but can't find the required minimum amount of disk space for Lubuntu. This is crucial, as my mother's upcoming slow netbook will have only 4GB of diskspace. That's why I can't even install Ubuntu or Windows XP on it :P
[14:13] <needhelp> I seriously want a Ubuntu derivate and the laptop will be some Asus eee -one I think. Please put that "disk space required" thing on your website in the System requirements section :)
[14:13] <bioterror> you should have no probs with 4GB
[14:14] <bioterror> I think the installer requires ~3GB or something
[14:14] <MrChrisDruif> needhelp: Lubuntu can be installed on such a small disk, however the updated Ubiquity (installer) made some changes which made it impossible to install it with the normal disk. Go for the miniCD > Minimal installation
[14:14] <MrChrisDruif> needhelp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[14:15] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, you really mean you cant install 11.04 on 4GB drive?
[14:15] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: I've you had follow the mailing-list, you heard about it :)
[14:16] <bioterror> worse code then
[14:16] <bioterror> but my workday is done
[14:16] <bioterror> laters
[14:17] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: "As far as I know, the number in casper/filesystem.size *should* be being generated from the installed-size fields in each of the packages we install.  I plan to add code to do this to our ISO creation script soon."  I heard Xubuntu
[14:43] <needhelp> I heard Xubuntu does*
[14:43] <needhelp> And Lubuntu is lighter.
[14:45] <needhelp> Well...
[14:46] <needhelp> I don't know if my mom's future sucky netbook will even have a CD-rom. I know it's some Asus EEE-one though. She gets it from a friend. I'll format it and I was thinking of a distro when I heard it only has 4 gigs on built-in storage
[14:47] <needhelp> So so... I'm a long-time fan of Ubuntu when it comes to Linux and I had Xubuntu and Lubuntu in mind. Then I heard that Lubuntu is lighter and Xubuntu takes around 2 gigs, I heard.
[14:58] <gNewPower> one more question: do any Lubuntu features require any hardware acceleration or Open GL?
[16:51] <silverlightning> hi
[16:51] <stlsaint> silverlightning: o/
[16:52] <silverlightning> do you know anything about the  fglrx drivers?
[16:52] <mark76> Hi ho silverlightning, stlsaint?
[16:52] <silverlightning> hi  mark
[16:53] <mark76> And away we go :D
[16:53] <silverlightning> you do?
[16:54] <silverlightning> I am fuzzing with an old difficult graphic card
[16:54] <silverlightning> radeon express 200M
[16:54] <mark76> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StNY8P2UILs
[16:55] <silverlightning> lol
[16:55] <silverlightning> is there a way to activate  fglrx drivers from cd bootup?
[16:55] <stlsaint> not sure
[16:55] <mark76> Dinner!
[16:56] <silverlightning> bon apetite
[16:56] <silverlightning> I keep booting up into a white screen in Ubuntu and lubuntu, and ...
[16:57] <silverlightning> anything except puppy
[16:57] <silverlightning> windows 7 is all right
[16:57] <silverlightning> maybe there's no way about it?
[17:01] <kosaidpo|> guys hello
[17:02] <kosaidpo|> i have added some repo's game and during the upgrade to 11.04 there desactivated so iwanna activate em via console how can i  do that ?? thanks
[23:25] <KM0201> dang, plymouth upgrades.lol


[09:20] <freedom07> I'm using lubuntu 11.04 and have my user account loging in automatically on startup, how do I change it to not automatically login?
[09:21] <Unit193> freedom07: Just do the reverse of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How%20to%20enable%20automatic%20logon%20in%20LXDM
[09:23] <freedom07> thanks Unit193 , I set it up on install and decided i want to change
[09:43] <AmberJ> Hello
[09:44] <AmberJ> Isn't 'sudo passwd' supposed to change the password of current user invoking the command?
[09:44] <Unit193> sudo passwd username
[09:56] <MrCTP> good morning
[09:57] <MrCTP> Is there anyone who can help a newbie?
[09:57] <AmberJ> Unit193, ok ...but what does it updates if I run it without username as command line argument?
[09:57] <AmberJ> MrCTP, Dont ask to ask.
[09:57] <MrCTP> so i simply ask?
[09:58] <AmberJ> yes MrCTP
[10:01] <MrCTP> i need to run a win application on lubuntu.. i installed wine... i runned the command wine setup.exe but it didn't work.. the process is blocked during the installation.. so i simply copied the installation folder from windows to lubuntu and tried to execut the program.exe with "wine program.exe". and i got the message "wine: Install the windows versione of Mono to run .NET executables"
[10:03] <MrCTP> now i don't understand, what do i have to install?
[10:05] <AmberJ> MrCTP, you need to install Microsoft's .NEt framework.
[10:06] <MrCTP> What about mono project?
[10:07] <MrCTP> http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[10:07] <AmberJ> Mono is open source implementation of .NET/C# etc....and windows version of mono means .NEt framework
[10:08] <AmberJ> MrCTP, if you dont mind, PM me the application you are trying to run...
[10:08] <MrCTP> ok
[10:08] <MrCTP> i saw in that website there is a version for ubuntu.. but i can't use it right?
[10:09] <MrCTP> i need the version for the windows enviroenment right?
[10:09] <AmberJ> wait MrCTP ...
[10:10] <AmberJ> I just checked...it seems that they meant this windows version: http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html
[10:10] <AmberJ> not sure though...the error message could have been more exact :(
[10:10] <MrCTP> i have to install that through wine?
[10:11] <AmberJ> yes
[10:22] <Valentinex> what is the name of package for screenshot taking application?
[10:23] <Valentinex> I want to install screenshot application in my lubuntu so that I can take screen snaps :)
[10:26] <AmberJ> Valentinex, there are many....I use imagemagick's 'import'...gimp if you want a GUI
[10:26] <Valentinex> gimp is also not installed in lubuntu
[10:27] <AmberJ> sudo apt-get install gimp
[10:27] <AmberJ> :P
[10:27] <Valentinex> there was one sceenshot application which comes default installed in ubuntu
[10:27] <Valentinex> eh, i am having slow internet right now that is why want to skip large downloads
[10:27] <AmberJ> Valentinex, I guess it's 'shutter'
[10:27] <Valentinex> no
[10:29] <AmberJ> Valentinex, try at #ubuntu then
[10:29] <Valentinex> join #ubuntu
[10:29] <Valentinex> how to join ... i am in irc after long
[10:29] <Valentinex> oh /
[10:30] <AmberJ>  /join #donotjointhischannel
[10:30] <bioterror> Valentinex, scrot
[10:30] <bioterror> Valentinex, it's a default application
[10:30] <bioterror> Valentinex, just press print screen button, and you will have a screenshot in your ~/
[10:31] <AmberJ> Valentinex, gnome-screenshot is what you are probably after...
[10:31] <Valentinex> yes yes scrot
[10:31] <AmberJ> bioterror, I didn't knew this...pretty nifty
[10:41] <Valentinex> Thanks
[18:19] <Luke2009> could someone help me ? I'm trying to run a live cd boot with lubuntu..
[18:20] <Luke2009> But, when it stops loading, there is like a text command line and no graphic interface appears
[18:21] <bioterror> what kind of command line
[18:21] <Luke2009> there is a message about something like "root" and "supo"...
[18:21] <bioterror> okay
[18:21] <bioterror> say: startlubuntu
[18:22] <bioterror> if that does the trick
[18:22] <Luke2009> ok ill try
[18:29] <Luke2009> nothing happens, the command line text is ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[18:30] <bioterror> really
[18:30] <bioterror> doesnt prompt anything?
[18:31] <Luke2009> i typed "startlubuntu" and nothing happened...
[18:31] <bioterror> hmm
[18:31] <bioterror> what if you type: init 5
[18:32] <Luke2009> there is a message: "init: Need to be root"
[18:32] <bioterror> sudo init
[18:32] <bioterror> sudo init 5
[18:33] <Luke2009> nothing happens..
[18:33] <bioterror> I've never had that kind of problem with my LiveCD's
[18:34] <bioterror> is here someone who had similiar case?
[18:34] <Luke2009> maybe the iso is bad ?
[18:34] <Luke2009> i download an iso with this text "lubuntu-11.04.iso"
[18:34] <bioterror> I dont think it's bad
[18:35] <bioterror> what kind of computer you have?
[18:35] <Luke2009> it's a pentium 2 ibm
[18:36] <Luke2009> it has windows 98 installed right now...
[18:38] <Luke2009> i thought it should run like a live cd boot session
[18:38] <bioterror> yes
[18:38] <bioterror> but somekind of problems with graphics card, I think
[18:38] <bioterror> it should use VESA :P
[18:40] <Luke2009> the first line of command that appears says: "Starting NTP server ntpd"
[18:42] <Luke2009> then the second line: "Welcome to Ubuntu 11.04 (GNU/Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686)
[18:46] <Luke2009> why all this text appears and nothing happens...
[18:47] <Luke2009> do you think i should only install it from scratch ?
[18:48] <bioterror> I would install mini.iso and then install lubuntu-desktop
[18:48] <bioterror> I can help with installation, but not with the LiveCD
[18:50] <Luke2009> ok then, could you guide me through the whole installation ?
[18:50] <bioterror> !mini | Luke2009
[18:52] <Luke2009> ok, i choosed "Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" Minimal CD" then i burn the iso in another cd right ?
[18:55] <bioterror> yes
[19:03] <KM0201> Luke2009: this details installing Lubuntu on top of the mini cd
[19:03] <KM0201> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[19:04] <KM0201> it's pretty easy (albeit, kinda slow... once the mini OS is installed though, installing lubuntu-desktop doesnt' take long)
[19:11] <Luke2009> ok, thank you very much
[19:36] <ahammond> I have a stock ubuntu system. How to I upgrade / change it to Lubuntu?
[19:38] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:38] <bioterror> !purelxde | ahammond
[19:39] <ahammond> thanks
[19:54] <john_rambo>  I am trying to generate a apparmor profile for the FF 5.0.1 .....http://pastebin.com/b11jxuL9   << But I find no profile is generated
[20:38]  * micahg wonders why someone needs to generate a profile for an app that has one
[21:12] <riddler> I need help everything is fine until I installed Slitaz, when I reboot the computer it shows the the black HP screen where I can change boot option or change bios etc, then after that it shows another black screen with _ blinking then goes back to the black setup screen. The grub2 is gone, it doesn't even show grub rescue, its like I dont have a hdd. What to do?
[21:15] <KM0201> riddler: well, you do have a hard drive, don't you?.. :)
[21:15] <riddler> yes
[21:15] <riddler> I look in gparted it says sda is healthy
[21:16] <riddler> i use usb stick to access the sda, and its fine but the problem is the home folder is encrypted
[21:17] <KM0201> ah, i have no idea on that one....
[21:17] <riddler> i want to re-install lubuntu as a last resort after i recover the encrypted files that i have in home folder, but if its possible id like to get the boot, master boot record or grub back up and running if possible
[21:18] <bioterror> I've once encrypted home
[21:18] <bioterror> I'll never do it again :D
[21:18] <riddler> ya, i try to do tutorials and it looks like im doing something wrong it wont decrypt
[21:19] <riddler> is there anyway i can bring back grub2 to my sda using the lubuntu stick installer whatever
[21:19] <riddler> like do some command
[21:19] <bioterror> !grub2 | riddler
[21:19] <KM0201> bioterror: lol, sounds like you might have learned a lesson
[21:38] <Hoaas> Hi!
[21:39] <pc_> I just did a minimal install and downloaded the lubuntu-desktop ... now I'm trying to install java with no success ... I would really apreciate any help (I've been googling it for a while)
[21:40] <pc_> hi
[21:40] <Hoaas> I installed java less than 5 minutes ago :D
[21:40] <pc_> awesome
[21:40] <pc_> can you tell me how you did it?
[21:40] <Hoaas> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[21:40] <Unit193> pc_: Did you try looking at the quide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[21:41] <Hoaas> oh, and I also did sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extra
[21:41] <Hoaas> Not sure if both was required, but it worked in Chromium afterwards atleast.
[21:43] <Hoaas> I can't seem to be able to find settings for the login screen though :/ Installed Lubuntu on my parents' old laptop and they hate having to type in username. They prefer to just click things. Any idea where I can change this?
[21:55] <riddler> KM0201: ahahahah yes!!!!! it work, grub2 is back, ty for that tutorial link thingie.
[21:56] <KM0201> riddler: i don't think i gave i tto you, but i'm glad whatever was given to you, worked
[21:56] <riddler> oh, it was bioterror, well thnx you both anyways.  i can log in back to my laptop now.
[22:15] <pc_> the thing is that in here " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java " it says you can actually install the sun implementation ... that's the one I've been struggling with ... jre-6u26 ...
[22:18] <micahg> pc_: you need the partner archive for that
[22:18] <bioterror> does partner have up to date java?
[22:19] <bioterror> I think you should have some sort of ppa
[22:19] <bioterror> Unit193, wakeup!
[22:19] <micahg> should have 6u26
[22:19] <Unit193> bioterror: Eh? I'm working on something, whatcha need?
[22:20] <pc_> thxs anyway Hoaas ... I guess that I'll settle with that if I can't workaround the one I want ... still I'm looking for the answer and/or hoping someone can help me
[22:20] <bioterror> Unit193, are you using ppa for java?
[22:20] <Unit193> bioterror: Partner I think
[22:20] <bioterror> my wife already shut her laptop's lid
[22:21] <Unit193> Yep, and 6.26
[22:21] <pc_> micahg can you give me some more details, please?
[22:22]  * micahg doesn't know how to enable in lubuntu
[22:22] <bioterror> someone point him to the faq, there's java ;)
[22:22] <bioterror> micahg, same way as in any ubuntu
[22:22] <micahg> software sources?
[22:23] <bioterror> pc_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ section 3.6
[22:23] <Unit193> bioterror: Already pointed
[22:23] <bioterror> I just installed and configured Android on my WinMo phone ;)
[22:24] <bioterror> been playing whole day with those
[22:24] <bioterror> this one seems to work
[22:24] <micahg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Third-Party%20Software%20Tab if it helps any
[22:29] <pc_> I just tried  " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ " but when I try the install line it says the packages are not available
[22:29] <pc_> the section 3.6 as bioterror pointed
[22:30] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update then follow the resy
[22:30] <Unit193> rest
[22:33] <pc_> hey Hoass, I don't know if it's exactly what your looking for but I just came across this, try section 3.1 in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How to enable automatic logon in LXDM
[23:27] <ahammond> bioterror: lxde is working nicely for me. thanks again.
[23:28] <bioterror> good
[23:28] <bioterror> you're welcome
[23:35] <Hoaas> pc_: Ah yes, thanks. That would be my next step :>
[23:37] <Hoaas> As to that sun java installation, wouldn't it be just 'sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre'?
[23:38] <pc_> wait ... the other thing you can do is system tools>users and groups
[23:38] <Hoaas> Have no idea how to fix it if it doesn't work.
[23:39] <pc_> there you go into password>change and "don't ask for password on login"
[23:39] <Hoaas> That box is grayed out :s
[23:40] <pc_> hummm ... ok then the thing I said before might work or give you an idea of other things to do or search about
[23:42] <pc_> by the way the java thing's is done thxs to all ... the FAQ instructions with the update before install did it
[23:42] <Hoaas> :D
[23:42] <phillw> pc_: does the FAQ need correcting / updating?
[23:43] <phillw> bioterror: would squeezing in a quick sudo apt-get update cause any issues to your knowledge?
[23:45] <Hoaas> btw. icon + first 'get lubuntu' text on lubuntu.net is linking to 'lubuntu.net/get lubuntu'
[23:45] <pc_> well ... a bit of clarification I guess ... just that in between the repository enabling line and the install one an update must be performed
[23:47] <phillw> pc_: yeah, as it is CLI, it does not auto ask, with GUI it does. I'll go and pop it on (unless you would like to do it and get your name as a wiki editor :D )
[23:49] <phillw> Hoaas: I'm trying to catch the 'owner' of lubuntu.net. He has given me admin powers, but I know exactly zero about Drupal which is what it runs with. I have a had a quick look round, but am too wary of breaking something.
[23:49] <pc_> ... well I have no problem doing that in fact "I'd like to" the catch is I don't know how ...
[23:49] <phillw> pc_: just PM me, and I'll talk you throug it. Wiki editing is not scary :)
[23:50] <pc_> ok
[23:57] <Hoaas> :)


[00:01] <geser> slangasek: thanks
[00:20] <sistpoty> slangasek: btw.: can you accept nvidia-settings into universe (it was removed due to conflicts with l-r-m, which tjaalton and me discussed afterwards and /me tried to get the result into shape)... formerly nvidia-settings source lived in restricted, but I've found nothing that doesn't speak against inclusing in universe
[00:20] <sistpoty> slangasek: however if you prefer, I'll mail to -devel first with what I've done and why
[00:31] <rockets> Is there any chance of fakeraid support in the installer in hardy?
[00:31] <slangasek> sistpoty: in the middle of some other stuff now, sorry
[00:32] <slangasek> sistpoty: so email to -devel sounds ok
[00:32] <sistpoty> ok, will do ... thanks
[00:34] <cjwatson> rockets: subject to bug-fixing, the alternate/server installer should have most of the unnecessary
[00:34] <cjwatson> err
[00:34] <cjwatson> most of the necessary bits
[00:34] <cjwatson> rockets: the desktop installer is unlikely to gain it for hardy
[00:34] <rockets> cjwatson, so if i install via the alternate cd, with hardy final, it should work?
[00:34] <cjwatson> hmm, somebody does need to promote partman-dmraid and such to main once they're tested though
[00:35] <rockets> I mean I've done it with dmraid + debootstrap.
[00:35] <cjwatson> evand: ^-- could you look at that once you get this machine from rtg?
[00:35] <rockets> Its very not-fun.
[00:35] <cjwatson> rockets: I'm not willing to guarantee it yet because it's not in place yet
[00:35] <cjwatson> but we're not a million miles away
[00:35] <rockets> cool
[00:35] <rockets> thx
[00:36] <cjwatson> partman-dmraid is pretty crazy, but I have seen it working (the UI is not the best, just functional)
[00:36] <DarkSun88> Hi all.
[00:36] <cjwatson> that was when fjp was hacking on it at debconf last year though
[00:46] <pochu> Is there any policy regarding whether daemons should be enabled by default or not when you install a -daemon package?
[00:53] <sladen> pochu: enabled, otherwise pursumely you wouldn't have apt-get installed them
[00:55] <pochu> sladen: That's what I guessed. I'm about to close as invalid bug 109434, but I can see the point from the reporter that you can enable/disable the server from the game menu, and that you may want to have the server installed without running, and only enable it when you are going to play with a friend. So I'm confused right now.
[00:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109434 in wesnoth "Installing a server for a game automatically auto-inits and runs every boot." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109434
[00:56] <pochu> sladen: I also see the user case that e.g. I have a server, install the package and want it to be working out of the box...
[00:56] <pochu> But thanks.
[01:01] <sladen> pochu: is this a game server that gets isntalled at the same time as the client part of the game?
[01:01] <pochu> sladen: no, it's a different package which won't be installed with the game
[01:02] <pochu> There's nothing even suggesting it.
[01:03] <sladen> pochu: there should be a way to disable it, but have that enabled by default
[01:07] <pochu> sladen: perhaps a debconf question on whether enable it or not, defaulting to yes, as has been suggested in the report?
[01:13] <sladen> pochu: yes, if it's at a level that will not be displayed by default
[07:07] <Iulian> G'morning
[07:09] <Hobbsee> evening
[07:12] <calc> which tool uses the debian/pycompat file?
[07:14] <persia> calc: python-support
[07:15] <persia> Err.  Sorry, that's debian/pyversions.  python-central might use it as well.
[07:16] <twb> Where can I find the schedule for hardy freeze and release dates?
[07:16] <persia> !schedule
[07:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:17] <twb> Thank you.
[07:21] <calc> persia: oh ok
[11:02] <abbe> hi channel
[11:03] <abbe> I've made some packages for some free some free software, and I want to host them in my PPA
[11:03] <abbe> any ideas how to proceed
[11:03] <Hobbsee> abbe: #launchpad for ppa support, and you want to see the PPA quick start guide
[11:04] <pochu> !ppa
[11:04] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[11:06] <abbe> thanks Hobbsee , but I've activated my PPA, and I tried uploading but my stuff is rejected
[11:06] <abbe> twice
[11:06] <abbe> :(
[11:07] <jpatrick> abbe: see the QuickStart page
[11:08] <abbe> jpatrick: okay, I'll review that page, thanks
[11:16] <abbe> wow this time, PPA is accepted, I made no changes at all
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[12:05] <Hobbsee> Seveas: find me a staffer.  now.
[12:05] <pochu> Thanks Hobbsee.
[12:06] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, there's at least one staffer aware of them
[12:06] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ah yes, looks like there is now.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Seveas: out of curiousity, did you page tomaw then?
[12:28] <geser> doko_: how should I understand "Upload as gcj-4.3" from the gcj-4.2 changelog when the (binary) packages are still named *-4.2?
[13:03] <pochu> soren: I've updated gtk-vnc to 0.3.3. As I had to update your ext_key_event patch, would you mind reviewing (and if it's good, sponsoring) it? It's at bug 190446. TIA!
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190446 in gtk-vnc "Please sponsor gtk-vnc (main) 0.3.3 into Hardy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190446
[13:47] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I was away shopping, I didn't do anything :)
[16:10] <phaidros> hi, how could I get rid of "wlan0_rename" and get a useful name for the device?
[16:11] <phaidros> is udev 70-persistent-net-rules the correct approach here?
[16:12] <abbe> phaidros: I also changed there only
[16:12] <phaidros> well, anyhow system does not bother what is in the udev conf for that mac address :)
[16:12] <phaidros> abbe: worked?
[16:12] <abbe> phaidros: obviously, it worked :)
[16:13] <abbe> phaidros: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:20:b7:55:0a", NAME="fxp0"
[16:13] <phaidros> ok, because I *get* the eth1 then, but it has no wireless extensions, meanwhile wlan0_rename still exists and has wireless extesnsions o.O
[16:13] <abbe> phaidros: BtW, thats my wired NIC
[16:14] <phaidros> yeah, doesn't matter for the rule :)
[16:14] <abbe> phaidros: wlan0_rename is your Wireless interface, right ?
[16:15] <phaidros> abbe: yes.
[16:15] <phaidros> the resultung *eth1* seems like a virtual device I 've seen when using madwifi (with atheros cards)
[16:16] <phaidros> is there another udev rule for wifi devices? or where comes the wlan0_rename come from?
[16:17] <abbe> phaidros: try 'modprobe -r' to remove wifi driver and that interface
[16:17] <abbe> phaidros: and then attempt modprobe again to load the wifi driver
[16:17] <phaidros> already tried that
[16:19] <andersin> Is there a way to access gutsy-backports in the PPA?
[16:19] <abbe> phaidros: did you tried ifdown-ing the interfaces ?
[16:21] <phaidros> abbe: yes
[16:22] <phaidros> abbe: I am cinfused because the udev rule creates the eth1 device, but still wlan0_rename exists and is the only one with wireless extensions ..
[16:22] <phaidros> confused
[16:23] <abbe> phaidros: okay does your wifi requires some kind of daemon running, hmm...?
[16:24] <phaidros> abbe: what do you mean with daemon?
[16:24] <phaidros> no daemon I know of :)
[16:24] <ScottK> andersin: No AFAIK, but PPA questions are better asked in #launchpad.
[16:25] <abbe> phaidros: I mean, some background process, you should've been running in order for your wifi to work, like ipw3945d for ipw3945 wifi
[16:25] <geser> phaidros: have you restarted udev?
[16:25] <phaidros> abbe: oh, ok .. first time in my life I see those demons : iwl3945
[16:25] <phaidros> what are they for?
[16:25] <phaidros> geser: yes
[16:26] <abbe> phaidros: they're for some firmware thingie
[16:26] <phaidros> abbe: there are three: iwl3945 iwl3945/0 iwl3945/1
[16:26] <geser> phaidros: check also if there is an other rule for eth1 in that file
[16:26] <abbe> phaidros: I think they're holding your wifi interface
[16:27] <phaidros> geser: udev conf is fine, triple checken and usually works on my machines
[16:27] <phaidros> checked
[16:27] <phaidros> abbe: but those processes should terminate when rmod'ing
[16:27] <phaidros> *test*
[16:27] <phaidros> gone
[16:28] <phaidros> ok, after modprobe the 3 processes are back, even restarted udev again in between
[16:29] <phaidros> and have 2 devoces, one eth1 (unusable, looks löike a virtual one), and still wlan0_rename with all functions
[16:30] <phaidros> ok, as I interpretate: I have seen on madwifi (driver for atheros) a master device (usually wlan0) and created virtual devices (eg ath0)
[16:30] <phaidros> the renamed eth1 looks very similar to the madwifi wlan0 ..
[16:31] <abbe> phaidros: fgrep -Ri wlan /etc might help ;)
[16:31] <andersin> ScottK: thanks
[16:31] <phaidros> how or where do virtual devices get created with the new 80211 ?
[17:01] <phaidros> abbe:
[17:01] <phaidros> oops
[17:01] <phaidros> abbe: furhter than 75-persistent-net-generator.rules I can find nothing related o.O
[17:04] <abbe> phaidros: sorry I went away
[17:04] <abbe> phaidros: okay
[17:05] <abbe> phaidros: you're running Gutsy or Hardy ?
[17:06] <phaidros> hardy ..
[17:07] <phaidros> with gutsy I'd have gone to #ubuntu :)
[17:08] <ScottK> Then #ubuntu+1
[17:09] <phaidros> ho ok :)
[17:09] <phaidros> ScottK: but I guess this is dev related because directly related to the new 80211 stack and its handling in ubuntu
[17:10] <phaidros> so, here or +1 ?
[17:10] <abbe> phaidros: /topic :)
[17:10] <phaidros> abbe: ik, still undecided :)
[17:10] <phaidros> ok
[17:10] <phaidros> :p
[17:11] <ScottK> I'd say #ubuntu+1 would be better, but it's not otherwise busy here so I don't know that it matters much right now.
[22:00] <ubuntu-mateusz> Hi, I cant get help on #ubuntu my lvm2 installation doesnt boot, no error, it freezes on using mode 1920x800
[22:03] <ubuntu-mateusz> ?
[22:14] <Mithrandir> ubuntu-mateusz: this channel is not for support, sorry.
[23:14] <avb> hi all
[23:14] <avb> is it possible to backport latest audacious from -dev?
[23:15] <avb> from hardy to gutsy
[23:22] <minghua> avb: Please follow the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-37a793d5ee480081f1c9f19e07fcdcdae5e6a9ed
[23:23] <avb> ah, thanks
[23:23] <avb> sorry, havent seen this page
[23:40] <jono> hey all - anyone know the name of that ubuntu site that shows the latest bugs, forums threads etc and updates them in realtime?


[10:49] <zxmpi> didn't listen to podcasts yesterday 12 hours now to get through :-)
[12:03] <penguin42> how many podcasts do you listen to??
[12:06] <zxmpi> my subscription list is 48 but many of those are monthly ones. but some podcasts like irish news breaks down a 30min news bulletin into 5-6 3-5min podcasts so you can just download the stories you want to listen to
[12:11] <penguin42> my youtube subscription list isn't quite that bad; but I don't do any actual podcasts; oh except I listen to BBC 4 Inside Science via their podcast edition