[00:03] <thumper> mxpxpod: part of what you are talking about are sub-trees in a bazaar branch
[00:03] <thumper> mxpxpod: there has been some work on this recently, but not yet production ready
[00:03] <mxpxpod> thumper: oh, really?
[00:03] <mxpxpod> thumper: gotcha
[00:04] <thumper> mxpxpod: as in you have a branch, and inside there you say src/foo is actually lp:foo
[00:04] <thumper> mxpxpod: so when someone gets your branch, it goes and gets the other branch too
[00:04] <thumper> hence, sub-trees
[00:04] <mxpxpod> thumper: yeah, something like that... sort of like svn:externals
[00:04] <thumper> right
[00:04] <thumper> see #bzr for status
[00:13] <wgrant> beuno: Are you aware that while project custom icons are fixed, project groups are still broken?
[00:14] <beuno> wgrant, I am not
[00:14] <beuno> file it and I'll fix it
[00:14] <beuno> assign directly to me  :)
[00:14] <beuno> thanks wgrant
[00:16] <wgrant> Why are the comment numbers, which are perhaps the least interesting information about the comment, in the prime position in the header?
[00:16] <wgrant> And why does that use a table?
[00:17] <beuno> wgrant, comment numbers are used so people can refer to them
[00:17] <beuno> no idea about the table
[00:17] <wgrant> beuno: They make it harder to quickly scan down the list of comments, looking for interesting ones by a certain person.
[00:17] <beuno> it seems to be using up too much space
[00:17] <wgrant> And I need to know them maybe a few times a month.
[00:17] <beuno> yeah, the activity loos broken
[00:18] <beuno> wgrant, file it as well, we need to have another iteration over this!  :)
[00:18] <wgrant> I think those changes also broke lots of other stuff.
[00:18] <wgrant> Because the padding changed.
[00:18] <beuno> it did
[00:18] <wgrant> And two other places use boardComment, although one only started doing so yesterday IIRC>
[00:18] <beuno> thumper's sad
[00:18] <beuno> yeap
[00:19] <beuno> anyway
[00:19] <beuno> I'm off to dinner
[00:19] <wgrant> Sure, thanks.
[00:19] <beuno> but we absolutely need to nail this
[00:19] <beuno> so thanks for bringing it up
[00:19] <beuno> (hadn't seen it live)
[00:19] <wgrant> Against where shall I file the padding bug? It affects soyuz/launchpad-code, but is probably a malone bug.
[00:19] <beuno> wgrant, malone is probably best
[00:19] <beuno> if in doubt
[00:19] <beuno> foundations!
[00:19] <wgrant> You mean launchpad?
[00:20] <wgrant> I'm not sure why foundations would want it. So malone it is.
[00:57] <jercos> Hi, I just recieved a bug on one of my projects that I can't quite describe as spam... but it basically went "Hi, I'm Alejandra and I need friends"
[00:58] <jercos> I didn't see any "delete bug" or "report creator" buttong :-\
[00:58] <jercos> -g
[01:00] <nhandler> jercos: You can't delete it, but you can mark it as 'Invalid' so that it does not show up in most listings
[01:01] <nhandler> jercos: If you post a link to the user's profile, the LP admins can decide how to handle it
[01:01] <jercos> So, add an Invalid tag?
[01:01] <nhandler> jercos: No, change the status
[01:03] <jercos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~aleja-1991-01
[01:04] <jercos> actual bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/artemis/+bug/394083
[01:32] <spiv> Huh, I just logged into to launchpad, but the pages afterwards are still asking me to log in/register.
[01:33] <spiv> Hmm, it worked the second time.
[01:35] <wgrant> spiv: edge redirect
[01:35] <wgrant> Bug #160191
[01:37] <wgrant> Why are there so few amd64 buildds?
[01:38] <wgrant> The queue is quickly getting longer.
[01:45] <spiv> wgrant: hmm, yes, I guess that's it, I initially loaded LP via a link in an email.
[06:25] <yoli> Enter text here...hola
[06:39] <andersk> Does anyone understand why this build failed? https://launchpad.net/~anders-kaseorg/+archive/openafs/+build/1102715
[06:40] <andersk> The upload log claims "Upload was rejected: debhelper_7.0.13ubuntu1~dapper1~andersk3_all.deb control file lists section as main/ but changes file has main/devel."
[06:40] <wgrant> andersk: The control file in your binary is broken.
[06:40]  * wgrant inspects the source and build log.
[09:02] <kblin> hi folks
[09:03] <kblin> I seem to remember some talk about open-sourcing launchpad "pretty soon now" some while ago.. did I miss the announcement or has this not happened yet
[09:03] <tsimpson> kblin: the link in the topic has the information
[09:04] <kblin> d'oh, missed that one
[09:04] <kblin> thanks
[09:06] <dholbach> hiya
[09:06] <popey> morning :)
[09:06] <dholbach> until https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/393914 is fixed, could somebody please set ~locoteams to "restricted"?
[09:06] <dholbach> we get a people who want to (pointlessly) join the team :)
[09:07] <dholbach> popey said that LP oopses out, when he tries to set it manually
[09:07] <popey> i see lp has been updated
[09:08] <popey> will try again as i haven't done so in a week or so
[09:08] <popey> will wait till I am off 3g though first
[09:08] <popey> 30 mins
[09:09] <dholbach> popey: let me try and see if I can do it
[09:09] <dholbach> popey:  "6165 member(s)  have not set their location. Do it for them!"
[09:09] <dholbach> holy COW :)
[09:09] <dholbach> popey: ah no, can't change it, I'm not owner
[09:10] <dholbach> popey: I guess I don't need to be admin either
[09:15] <dstansby> Is anyone else having trouble using launchpad at the moment?
[09:18] <wgrant> dstansby: It's working OK for me.
[09:18] <dstansby> I'm using the beta version if that makes a difference
[09:18] <dstansby> It's just that I've been trying to subscribe someone else to a bug for about 10mins now and it's not working  :(
[09:20] <wgrant> dstansby: Ah, there are a few problems in the subscription area. Who are you trying to subscribe?
[09:20] <dstansby> wgrant: ubuntu-main-sponsors
[09:20] <dstansby> It seems to have worked now though
[09:20] <wgrant> And what happens when you try?
[09:22] <dstansby> It either didn't work at all, and came up with an error box that didn't provide any useful info and an OK button, or the team came up under subscribers, but was greyed out and wansn't subscribed
[09:28] <wgrant> dstansby: Hmm, you're right, edge is a bit broken.
[09:39] <popey> (Error ID: OOPS-1279EB60)
[09:50] <popey> dholbach: (Error ID: OOPS-1279EC65) when i tried to switch ~locoteams to restricted
[09:56] <dholbach> popey: let's wait for the fine masters of LP to fix it then :)
[10:08] <rmaj> hello, i get a timeout - (Error ID: OOPS-1279D2101)
[10:12] <rmaj> I guess my search was too wide
[10:13] <mdz> I'm getting quite a few "Please try again" pages
[10:14] <bigjools> elmo: ^
[10:14] <bigjools> mdz: is that on edge?
[10:14] <mdz> bigjools, yes
[10:14] <mdz> just got another
[10:15] <mdz> Please try again
[10:15] <mdz> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[10:15] <mdz> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[10:15] <mdz> Thanks for your patience.
[10:15] <mdz> what does that page mean in terms of where the failure occurred?
[10:15] <wgrant> It generally means that an appserver has hung.
[10:16] <wgrant> Or, given the frequency of them that I've been seeing, several.
[10:17] <bigjools> rmaj: that looks like a spurious timeout, I can't see anything wrong other than a slow database response, is it still doing it?
[10:18] <bigjools> wgrant: that's my guess too
[10:20] <wgrant> bigjools: Any idea what's going on with empty PPA sections sometimes showing up?
[10:20] <bigjools> wgrant: no, I am going to debug it shortly
[10:20] <wgrant> I wonder if it's private archive subscriptions.
[10:21] <bigjools> I doubt it
[10:21] <wgrant> Since the sort of people that I'd expect to have them show the problem.
[10:48] <mdz> bigjools, yes, it's still doing it.  is anyone responding?
[11:03] <nailora> i am getting lots of "Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.         " recently
[11:03] <nailora> a known problem?
[11:17] <rmaj> bigjools: I get this all the time
[11:17] <bigjools> nailora: yes, known problem if you're using the edge servers
[11:18] <bigjools> rmaj: ok thanks
[11:18] <rmaj> well, like 2 out of 4 tries
[11:22] <dholbach> bigjools: I guess a "502 Bad Gateway" using edge for the LP API might have the same cause?
[11:22] <bigjools> dholbach: yes
[11:27] <dholbach> oh... the "don't redirect me to edge for 2 hours" button is gone
[11:28] <dholbach> does anybody have the link to that button? :)
[11:28] <wgrant> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/
[11:28] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:28] <wgrant> It doesn't show up on https://edge.launchpad.net/
[11:28] <dholbach> yeah, I just noticed :-)
[11:28] <dholbach> thanks
[11:28] <bigjools> heh, there's a bug to put that button on the edge front page too
[11:30] <wgrant> Bug #391208
[11:30] <dholbach> wgrant knows Launchpad bug numbers by heart
[11:30] <dholbach> that's amazing
[11:30] <bigjools> he's our groupie
[11:31] <dholbach> I mean it's easy... Launchpad doesn't have that many bugs
[11:31] <wgrant> dholbach: 'fraid I just have Evo's search feature.
[11:31] <dholbach> but pedro_ and seb128 are killer: they know all desktop bug numbers, no matter if it's ubuntu, debian or gnome upstream by heart
[11:31] <bigjools> dholbach: haha :)
[11:31] <dholbach> even the old ones that are already fixed
[11:32]  * dholbach hugs y'all
[11:41] <oSoMoN> hi all
[11:42] <mrevell> hi oSoMoN
[11:42] <wgrant> mrevell: Might it be advisable to recommend turning off the redirect in the topic?
[11:43] <mrevell> wgrant: Yeah, good idea
[11:46] <dholbach> disable the redirection? :)
[11:47] <wgrant> He got it right on identi.ca.
[11:51] <mrevell> doh
[12:06] <Ferzzz> Was there a problem with the API of launchpad this morning?
[12:07] <Ferzzz> We got plenty of 502 and 503 while trying to create bugs...
[12:08] <wgrant> Ferzzz: Yep. See the topic.
[12:09] <Ferzzz> Great. It's fixed now, but I justed wanted a confimation. Thanks a lot
[12:10] <Ferzzz> Cheers!
[12:15] <holzmodem> hi, need some help, how can i build a patched kernel inside a ppa, that does NOT over the original one? all my patched kernels override the original, so i cant fallback
[12:18] <tsimpson> holzmodem: you'll get better support on packaging in #ubuntu-motu
[12:18] <holzmodem> thanks
[13:20] <Hew> Hi. I need admin support for changing the bugtracker for the revelation project.
[13:42] <mrevell> Hew: Please file a request at https://answers.launchpad.net/answers and one of the admins will take care of it.
[13:42] <wgrant> mrevell: You mean https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad?
[13:42] <mrevell> Ach, yes
[13:43] <mrevell> Hew: As wgrant says, that's https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[14:19] <Laney> what's the rationale behind displaying PPA packages on source package pages?
[14:19] <Laney> especially in such a prominent position
[14:19] <noodles775> Hi Laney, it's still a work in progress...
[14:19] <noodles775> I'm actually working on a branch right now to make it much less prominent...
[14:19] <noodles775> (ie. it'll be a collapsed section that will only be expanded if you click)
[14:20] <Laney> fair enough. Have you had requests for this? I can't think of a use case
[14:20] <noodles775> Laney, yes, the discussion is on bug 280958
[14:21] <noodles775> And if you've got time for a bit of feedback, the last comment there has a 5second video showing the new less-prominent version...
[14:24] <Laney> noodles775: That's much better. I find myself agreeing with Scott's comments though, give how PPAs are used.
[14:25] <Laney> For example I sometimes upload random testing uploads that have a high chance of being broken and I'd hate to hear of someone stumbling across and using them...
[14:25] <noodles775> Laney: great. Thanks for the feedback.
[14:25] <noodles775> Yes, eventually they will be ordered by *rank*
[14:26] <noodles775> And that will definitely be an issue until we have ranks (hence trying to be clear about it in the text, that it's ordered by most recently uploaded)
[14:27] <noodles775> I'm finding that one of the hardest things with Launchpad UI is that there are two very distinct target user groups with very different expectations...
[14:27] <Laney> I can kind of only see the potential pain and not the benefits. People should only use PPAs if they know why they want to, which is why they're useful when promoted alongside blog posts and the like
[14:28] <Laney> as a developer I don't see why I want this
[14:28] <Laney> mpt argues for consistency across parts of launchpad, but it's often the case that bzr branches are used very differently from PPAs
[14:29] <mpt> Laney, I'm asking for consistency between the same type of item on *the same page* :-P
[14:30] <noodles775> Laney: I think that's the key thing though, it isn't developers who *would* want this...
[14:30] <Laney> OK consider the recent pidgin bug where Yahoo! was broken
[14:31] <Laney> it's reasonable to think that users would somehow find the Launchpad source package page for this when looking for a solution
[14:31] <noodles775> Yes, hence the bold "untrusted and unsupported"
[14:31] <Laney> now what if I upload a package which does rm -rf /....
[14:31] <Laney> I doubt that this will defer people
[14:31] <noodles775> Yep, that's a general problem with any .deb that gets installed on a users system right?
[14:31] <Laney> deter*
[14:31] <Laney> right, but we don't promote them
[14:32] <noodles775> We haven't, but people are doing it non-the-less...
[14:32] <Laney> there's a difference between the gun existing and us showing you where it is
[14:32] <noodles775> So if it's between installing a deb of the latest blah package or installing the beta-ppa....
[14:33] <Laney> anyway maybe PPA ranking does solve this, I don't know what it is
[14:33] <noodles775> Laney, yep, I agree, but is there an option to show people how to best use one (a gun is a bad example...)
[14:33] <noodles775> Yes, hopefully.
[14:34] <noodles775> Laney: btw, I've been thinking about the concept of 'trusted software archives' lately, if you're interested and have time:
[14:34] <noodles775> http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/trusted-software-archives/
[14:34] <noodles775> I'm relatively new to packaging etc., but am keen to learn and help find a good long-term solution to the problem.
[14:38] <Laney> I don't know, it's a very difficult problem. The way it works in Ubuntu is to prove yourself with several months of good work, after which your peers will have enough knowledge to be able to confidently advocate your trustworthiness. It's not obvious how to translate this to PPA archives...
[14:40] <noodles775> Yeah... I guess the idea that an actual PPA archive could contain signed certificates, so when you go to add a PPA, you'll know who has said that they trust that PPA (if anyone)
[14:40] <noodles775> s/that/is that
[14:40] <mpt> Ah, the expander is a nice way of making them less obtrusive
[14:41] <mpt> noodles775, have you sent it to PQM yet?
[14:41] <gaspa> Hi, changes file have not charset set in Content-Type header... were they utf-8 or what?
[14:41] <noodles775> mpt: no... I'm just sending it for review now...
[14:42] <mpt> ok, I'll be quiet then :-)
[14:42] <Laney> noodles775: what about team PPAs though?
[14:43] <noodles775> Laney: sorry, in what context? (the current feature, or the topic of trusted software archives)
[14:43] <Laney> trusted archives :)
[14:44] <Laney> I don't know how I could genuinely say that I trust a team PPA, because I have no idea who's going to come along in the future
[14:44] <noodles775> Laney: Ah I see... yes, so I guess you would only sign a certificate for teams that you had confidence in (perhaps backed by an organisation, or well established etc.)?
[14:45] <Laney> it's hard to do with a lot of foss projects
[14:45] <Laney> and trusting someone to develop good software isn't the same as trusting them to make decent Debian packages
[14:45] <Laney> I don't envy you trying to figure this out :)
[15:31] <geser> what can cause a "HTTP Error 412: Precondition Failed" when calling task.lp_save() after updating task.status and task.importance for a newly created bug?
[15:33] <salgado> geser, maybe the user doesn't have the rights to set the bug to that specific state
[15:36] <geser> hmm, that user was me (I was using requestsync) and I updated the status and importance through the web ui as the bug was already created
[15:47] <MrKanister> Hi, I got a question: Why is it that launchpad does convert "LP: #bug" into a link, but "lp: #bug" not
[15:47] <MrKanister> For example last version of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pybootchartgui
[15:49] <rockstar> MrKanister, you could probably file a bug about that.
[15:50] <MrKanister> rockstar: Thanks for your answer. Should it be filed against the launchpad projekt or something specific?
[15:51] <rockstar> MrKanister, file it against launchpad-foundations, please.
[15:52] <MrKanister> rockstar: Thank you. I will do that then.
[16:18] <oubiwann> um, guys? I'm having *serious* problems with launchpad....
[16:18] <oubiwann> I can't login
[16:19] <oubiwann> and when I do the password request, it says that my account details have not been found
[16:19] <oubiwann> I asked radix to check out my user page from the link in Launchpad
[16:20] <radix> https://launchpad.net/~oubiwann
[16:20] <oubiwann> and he says that he sees a note saying that this user does not use launchpad
[16:20] <radix> he definitely used to, especially given there's a user icon
[16:20] <radix> and he has tons of karma
[16:21] <oubiwann> don't take my karma, mr. luanchpad!
[16:21] <oubiwann> Ursinha: you around?
[16:21] <Ursinha> oubiwann, yes :)
[16:21] <Ursinha> let me read
[16:21] <oubiwann> Ursinha: thanks!
[16:22] <Ursinha> oh, this is odd
[16:23] <oubiwann> Ursinha: yeah! I feel like someone's robbed my house :-(
[16:23] <oubiwann> and my office!
[16:23] <Ursinha> :(
[16:24]  * oubiwann wonders if he can push branches to lp:~oubiwann...
[16:24] <Ursinha> oubiwann, can you try that, please?
[16:26] <oubiwann> Ursinha: fail
[16:26] <Ursinha> oubiwann, hm
[16:27] <oubiwann> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "<Fault -1: 'OOPS-1279XMLP18'>")
[16:28] <evanrmurphy> danilos: Out of curiosity, how does message sharing handle Karma points?
[16:29] <danilos> evanrmurphy: they are not duplicated (i.e. even if a translation is shared, you get karma points only once)
[16:30] <evanrmurphy> danilos: Makes sense, thanks. :)
[16:31] <oubiwann> Ursinha: radix mentioned something about a session deletion that happened yesterday... could this be related?
[16:32] <Ursinha> oubiwann, I'm investigating right now
[16:33] <oubiwann> Ursinha: thanks!
[16:33] <evanrmurphy> danilos: I find the project really exciting. I know some of the Spanish translators put in a lot of hours reapproving translations each release cycle. This could save a ton of work!
[16:34] <danilos> evanrmurphy: yeah, it's going to be a big win for everyone involved; hopefully no reapproving will need to happen anymore
[16:34] <evanrmurphy> \o/
[16:38] <Kangarooo> ok hello I wanna kill some bugs.. im doing it with just launchapd thrue firefox. I saw in synaptic there is some ubuntu bug team package? is it with tools for bug team? if not then how can I halp with bug killing? im no linux programmer so how can I start? and I could start with managing and arranging them and testing if they are true or false.. so thouse who are realy bugs then programmers take on their hands
[16:38] <Kangarooo> I also would need this info so I could make local bug squad in native language..
[16:38] <Kangarooo> so is there some programm for bug tracking ? best way to help in launchpad to manage bugs? report/manage/search? tools? programms?
[16:39] <Ursinha> hi Kangarooo
[16:40] <Ursinha> Kangarooo, a good place to start is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[16:40] <Ursinha> Kangarooo, also, you can talk to bugs people at #ubuntu-bugs
[16:41] <Kangarooo> everybody sleeps there
[16:42] <Kangarooo> im using irc only when im at the momnet.. maybe im missing some irc use? why some are not at keyboard but still in irc?
[16:43] <Ursinha> Kangarooo, maybe they're busy or explicitly away
[16:43] <yofel> Kangarooo: it's common to be in a lot of channels at the same time here - so you can read what happend while you weren't reading in the channel
[16:43] <Ursinha> oubiwann, do you have another account or that one is the only one?
[16:44] <oubiwann> Ursinha: that's the only one
[16:44] <Kangarooo> yofel: yes and then when back at keyboard they see someone had problem.. no one answered and they quit irc and now not ever using ubuntu again :)
[16:44] <oubiwann> Ursinha: the only one I use, that is...
[16:45] <oubiwann> Ursinha: when I logged in today, it sent me to a different account (oubiwann-adytum) which I've never used and don't know how it got created
[16:45] <Kangarooo> going to launchpad and reporting question there for new users is too difficult and they don't think they need to register just for one problem..
[16:45] <Ursinha> oubiwann, hmmm let's check
[16:45] <jon2> my LP account seems to have been renamed w/o my knowledge... has anyone run into this before?
[16:45] <oubiwann> Ursinha: that accoount has none of my ssh keys and isn't associated with anything I've done with Canonical
[16:46] <oubiwann> jon2: yeah, there seem to be some problems today...
[16:46] <jon2> oh ok, at least I'm not the only one
[16:47] <jon2> although not having access to push to the mainline branch of my project is kind of inconvenient ;)
[16:47] <oubiwann> jon2: yeah, tell me about it!
[16:47] <Ursinha> hmm, that's becoming very weird
[16:47] <oubiwann> lp seems to have forgotten my account and the associated SSH keys
[16:48] <oubiwann> Ursinha: are any of the people who were involved with the session data deletion yesterday around?
[16:48] <Ursinha> oubiwann, yes, stub, we're trying to sort this out
[16:49] <oubiwann> awesome
[16:49] <jon2> Ursinha: if it helps... when I hit lp this morning, I wasn't logged in, which I thought was strange, so I re-logged in and noticed that it has me logged in under a different username.  the new username has my real name, but none of the keys, location, etc.
[16:49] <radix> !
[16:49] <Ursinha> jon2, I see
[16:49] <jon2> Ursinha: when I go to the profile page of my old username, it says that "Jon does not use Launchpad" although the creation date of that page says 2006-01-13
[16:49] <Ursinha> oubiwann, you're able to login to the changed one, just as jon2?
[16:49] <oubiwann> jon2: sounds like the same exact issue I'm having
[16:49] <jon2> the creation date of my new account's profile page is today's date
[16:50] <Ursinha> jon2, I see, as oubiwann's one
[16:50] <oubiwann> Ursinha: yes, that's what happened to me
[16:50] <jon2> the thing that made me notice the problem was that I was trying to push a branch and I got an error about a read-only transport
[16:51] <jon2> so then I got on LP to look, and I wasn't on the team that admins my project
[16:51] <jon2> so I thought my team membership had expired, but it hadn't...
[16:51] <jon2> that's when I noticed my username was different
[16:55] <Ursinha> jon2, that's really odd. I'm investigating right now, I'm sorry the inconvenience
[16:55] <SiDi> Hey people
[16:55] <SiDi> is there a way to push to LP behind a firewall ?
[16:55] <SiDi> only ports 80 and 443 are open here
[16:56] <jon2> Ursinha: no problem - thanks for looking at it
[17:36] <C10uD> hello, i'm having some issues with the launchpad buildd service
[17:37] <C10uD> link: https://launchpad.net/~c10ud/+archive/gst/+build/1103244
[17:37] <C10uD> but as you can see i have this: https://launchpad.net/%7Ec10ud/+archive/gst/+sourcepub/662981/+listing-archive-extra in my ppa
[17:38] <C10uD> the package builds correctly in my system, which has the same stuff
[17:41] <C10uD> anyone from the build team around?
[17:41] <bigjools> C10uD: you need to specify it as a build dependency
[17:41] <C10uD> debian/control?
[17:41] <bigjools> yes
[17:42] <C10uD> but seems correctly installed from the virtual machine though
[17:42] <C10uD> anyway, i'll try that way
[17:42] <bigjools> where do you see it installed?  which package?
[17:42] <C10uD> Setting up python-gst0.10 (0.10.15-1~bpo40+1) ...
[17:44] <C10uD> and, i get this
[17:44] <C10uD> checking for PYFARSIGHT... configure: error: Package requirements ( pygobject-2.0 >= 2.12.0
[17:44] <C10uD> 				   gst-python-0.10 >= 0.10.10 ) were not met:
[17:44] <C10uD> No package 'gst-python-0.10' found
[17:45] <bigjools> it's python-gst0.10 but you already have it
[17:45] <bigjools> what about pygobject-2.0
[17:46] <bigjools> I think that's the one that's missing from your build deps
[17:46] <C10uD> python-gobject-dev should be what he's looking for
[17:46] <C10uD> i don't have strange packages for python in my box though
[17:47] <C10uD> and the virtual machine said "Setting up python-gobject-dev (2.16.1-1ubuntu2) ..."
[17:47] <bigjools> yeah
[17:47] <bigjools> it might be a problem in that configure script then, how is it detecting the presence of the dev libs it needs?
[17:48] <bigjools> I am guessing there's a mismatch between what it expects and what the packages install
[17:48] <C10uD> sincerely, i don't know since i'm a newbie in build system stuff, but i guess i'll just comment out that check and try again
[17:48] <C10uD> still i don't get why is building correctly here, strange indeed
[17:50] <bigjools> C10uD: you probably have a local library installed not from a package
[17:54] <C10uD> i don't think so, at least, this is not what i usually do :p thanks anyway, now i'll try commenting out that requests
[18:44] <geser> it looks like it uses pkg-config to find the libraries
[18:44] <maco> when using the email interface, if a bug affects >1 package, is it possible to specify which "affects" row in the bug you're setting the "assignee"?
[18:46] <Ursinha> maco, you should click the assignee arrow in the proper row
[18:46] <maco> Ursinha, email interface question ;)
[18:47] <Ursinha> maco, oops :)
[18:47] <Ursinha> note to self, read the whole line
[18:47] <Ursinha> :P
[18:47] <geser> C10uD: you need python-gst0.10-dev installed/listed in your build-depends as this package contains the .pc file which pkg-config uses to check if a library is available or not
[18:48] <C10uD> geser, i'll added that lately (but didn't tell here), we'll see in the next 5 hours or so, thanks :P
[18:48] <Ursinha> gmb, do you know the answer to maco's question?
[18:50] <geser> maco: if I understand the docs correctly you can use "affects" to select the task which "assignee" should be changed
[18:51] <maco> ok...will try
[18:52] <geser> maco: see also "Editing a bug that affects multiple contexts" on https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface#Commands%20reference
[18:55] <maco> ah ok thanks
[20:54] <gini107> hi
[20:54] <gini107> i am trying to make my first commit to a featured branch on launch pad
[20:54] <gini107> but i am getting an error
[20:54] <gini107> Permission denied (publickey).
[20:54] <gini107> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[20:55] <gini107> can i get any help on this
[20:57] <maco> gini107, do you have permission to push to that branch?
[20:59] <gini107> yes
[21:00] <nhandler> gini107: Have you added your GPG key to your Launchpad profile?
[21:00] <gini107> yes
[21:01] <gini107> i am in the default review tteam for this branch
[21:01] <radix> it's the ssh key that's important here, not the GPG key
[21:01] <nhandler> radix: Yes, that is what I meant ;)
[21:01] <nhandler> gini107: Being in the review team does not necessarily mean you can commit
[21:01] <gini107> i have uploaded my rsa.pub
[21:01] <radix> gini107: that error indicates it's not about team membership, because the error is a basic authentication error
[21:02] <gini107> yes..
[21:02] <radix> gini107: the ssh server can't even identify you
[21:02] <gini107> hmm..
[21:02] <radix> gini107: are you using the correct username?
[21:02] <gini107> yes yes
[21:03] <gini107> i also think the error is because of authentication issues only
[21:03] <gini107> i wasn't able to push my code to some other branch also
[21:04] <radix> yes, so
[21:04] <gini107> however, bzr launchpad-login malveeka (malveeka is my username)
[21:04] <gini107> gives no error
[21:04] <radix> gini107: are you sure you uploaded the right public key? is your private key in your agent, or are you being prompted for the password when you try pushing?
[21:04] <radix> yeah, launchpad-login doesn't do any ssh stuff
[21:04] <gini107> ohh..
[21:05] <gini107> i am not beng prompted for a password
[21:05] <radix> gini107: is your private key at ~/.ssh/id_rsa ?
[21:05] <gini107> yes
[21:05] <radix> and it's supposed to be passphrase-protected? if so, maybe the permissions are wrong and ssh is refusing to use it
[21:07] <gini107> hmm..
[21:07] <gini107> i'll regenrate a key and upload
[21:07] <gini107> again
[21:14] <gini107> i regenrated the ssh key
[21:15] <gini107> did not gv any passphrase also
[21:15] <gini107> i am not even able to checkout code
[22:10] <JosefAssad> might be an idea next time to provide a password reset. People are suspicious enough of emails mentioning account resets or the like nowadays
[22:10] <JosefAssad> Er. Password reset form.
[22:25] <didrocks> hey, is it possible to create a branch with launchpadlib? can't find any method for that.
[22:29] <Ursinha> rockstar, do you know the answer for that?
[22:32] <didrocks> or at least, set development focus (and so, creating the branch thanks to bzr push) :)
[22:34] <Kangarooo> hello.. when will launchpad allow for example latvian letters? look https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-lv in links section irc uri is not recognized becouse lauchpad doesn't allows latvian letters.. so how can laucpad be even in other languages if letters are not recognized.. I also try html decimal codes and didn't work either..
[22:56] <wgrant> Argh.
[22:56] <wgrant> My account was fine 8 hours ago.
[22:56] <wgrant> I did notice I got logged out on production again about 12 hours ago, but I was able to log in again.
[22:58] <rockstar> didrocks, what kind of branch do you want to create?
[22:59] <rockstar> didrocks, oh, I'm not sure of setting development focus is exposed through the API.
[23:01] <didrocks> rockstar: the idea was to create a ~user branch and set it to development focus of a launchpad project
[23:01] <didrocks> so, ~user can be created directly in bzr pushing first
[23:02] <rockstar> didrocks, yea, I'm not sure if that's exposed.  It would be nice though.
[23:02]  * rockstar looks
[23:08] <wgrant> Hm, being deactivated also means that the person is sent no email, so it's not harmless.
[23:15] <ajmitch> wgrant: you suddenly had a lot less email today?
[23:15] <wgrant> ajmitch: Yes.
[23:15] <wgrant> And I can't recover my account the way stub suggests, because all 6 of my email address were in the broken 1300.
[23:16] <ajmitch> ouch
[23:16] <wgrant> I do hope that somebody answers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>while London is asleep.
[23:16] <ajmitch> looks like I can still login, thankfully
[23:16] <ajmitch> who did it end up affecting?
[23:17] <wgrant> I found one user last night that I thought shouldn't haven't been deactivated, but thought nothing of it.
[23:17] <wgrant> Then this morning I had no bugmail, and mine was deactivated too.
[23:17]  * wgrant wonders why they didn't check that they weren't going to kill any accounts while doing that.
[23:20] <ajmitch> From what I read, there was some clearing of session data, which somehow deactivated many accounts?
[23:20] <wgrant> No, no, that wasn't it.
[23:20] <wgrant> They 'repaired' 1300 invalid person<->email links.
[23:21] <wgrant> And 6 of those were repaired from my person to somewhere else.
[23:21] <ajmitch> ...
[23:22] <wgrant> Those links were also not particularly invalid, as they worked just fine.
[23:22] <ajmitch> it's interesting that it only happened for some email addresses though
[23:22] <wgrant> It is.
[23:23] <wgrant> Even more interesting that it happened to all of mine, when they were added over a more than four-year period.
[23:23] <ajmitch> and none of mine
[23:23] <ajmitch> at least I still appear to have 5 listed on my LP account
[23:26] <wgrant> I wonder what breaks as I try to do things as a deactivated person with no confirmed or preferred email addresses.
[23:26] <wgrant> (it hasn't logged me out)
[23:26] <Ursinha> wgrant, are you able or not to log in?
[23:26] <ajmitch> funny, I've been logged out everywhere
[23:26] <wgrant> Oh, I was too.
[23:26] <wgrant> But I logged in late last night before things died.
[23:26] <Ursinha> ajmitch, the logout was because of a session deletion we did yesterday
[23:27] <wgrant> Ursinha: I was logged out twice.
[23:27] <Ursinha> happened to me as well, but I was able to log in
[23:27] <wgrant> The first one I understand, but not the second.
[23:27] <wgrant> Should I try logging in? Won't that just create a new Person, confusing the situation even further?
[23:28] <Ursinha> wgrant, you haven't tried to login after being logged out?
[23:28] <wgrant> Ursinha: I'm not logged out.
[23:28] <wgrant> Ursinha: Last time I was logged out, I was able to log in again.
[23:28] <wgrant> But that was 12ish hours ago.
[23:28] <wgrant> And my person was still fine.
[23:28] <Ursinha> and how did you realize your account have problems?
[23:29] <maco> Ursinha, he said all the bugmail suddenly stopped pouring in
[23:29] <Ursinha> people related they tried to login and that led them to a new account
[23:29] <wgrant> Ursinha: I had no bugmail, and my person icon had changed.
[23:29] <wgrant> So I went to my person page, and found that it was telling me that I was not, in fact, using Launchpad.
[23:30] <wgrant> +editemails shows that only my one unconfirmed email is still associated with me.
[23:30] <Ursinha> hm
[23:32] <wgrant> So, what was so invalid about these links?
[23:42] <Ursinha> wgrant, do you have your regular permissions with the user you're logged in?
[23:42] <wgrant> Ursinha: It seems so.
[23:43] <wgrant> (which sounds like a bug)
[23:45] <Ursinha> wgrant, I see here all the bugs and karma still are attached to this account
[23:45] <wgrant> Ursinha: Right. Just the email addresses are gone.
[23:46] <wgrant> Which mainly concerns me because I'm losing email.
[23:46] <Ursinha> wgrant, well, stub did a fix for the majority of affected users, and they were told to login again, and do a merge account if needed
[23:46] <Ursinha> you can try that
[23:47] <wgrant> Ursinha: That won't work.
[23:47] <wgrant> Ursinha: My account has no preferred email address.
[23:47] <wgrant> Not even a confirmed one.
[23:47] <wgrant> s/account/existing person/
[23:48] <wgrant> I suppose I could try to add a new address to me old person, log out, log in to the new person, and merge.
[23:48] <wgrant> But, no,
[23:48] <wgrant> That sounds like a recipe for disaster.
[23:49] <wgrant> Because I have things on my account that don't want to be renamed (ie. PPAs)
[23:49] <wgrant> And I wonder how that interacts with OpenID.
[23:50] <wgrant> And merging the other way might not work, as the person that would remain is deactivated.
[23:51] <wgrant> spm: Do you have instructions on fixing this?
[23:51] <wgrant> The development meeting suggests not.
[23:52] <Ursinha> wgrant, spm must have the same instructions as I or matsubara do
[23:52] <wgrant> Damn.
[23:53] <matsubara> wgrant, we need your preferred email address and account name and you'll have to wait
[23:53] <wgrant> matsubara: I've emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:53] <matsubara> wgrant, oh, that's fine than. It'll be looked at when stub comes back
[23:53] <matsubara> but you'll have to wait
[23:53] <matsubara> I'm sorry about it
[23:54] <wgrant> matsubara: I guess that should only be a few hours.
[23:54] <matsubara> but if you keep trying modifying the data you might make things worse
[23:54] <wgrant> It would be fine if there wasn't the bugmail problem.
[23:54] <wgrant> Right.
[23:54] <Ursinha> wgrant, yes, only until stub comes agaonm
[23:54] <wgrant> That's why I haven't tried anything.
[23:54] <Ursinha> *again


[20:22] <ikonia> jdenning: yes, and I stated that you maybe looking at it wrong as the file you want to patch should not be in place in ubuntu
[20:22] <jdenning> wilee-nilee: Not trying to be childish, just pointing out a criticism about the ubuntu community
[20:22] <ikonia> jdenning: so it's worth checking you are doing the right thing first,
[20:22] <jdenning> ikonia: I installed the 'freeradius' package straight from the repo, that's where the package put the file.
[20:23] <ikonia> jdenning: right - so which repo would be a good start
[20:23] <blotek> ikonia:  he does
[20:23] <jdenning> 12.04 stable
[20:23] <ikonia> jdenning: that will give you an idea of where it's maintained or or taken from
[20:23] <ikonia> jdenning: 12.04 stable is not a repo
[20:23] <ikonia> jdenning: that's a release
[20:23] <jdenning> ok, one sec.
[20:23] <ikonia> blotek: he does what, you'll get better responses if you actually try to talk in a sentence rather than throwing one word comments at me
[20:24] <jdenning> "precise main" I should have said
[20:24] <ikonia> jdenning: what's the package name ?
[20:24] <jdenning> freeradius
[20:24] <ikonia> (as in the actual package)
[20:24] <ikonia> !info freeradius
[20:24] <ikonia> ok, so it's coming from main, so it's taken from debian, so depending on how you want to approach this the logical approach would be to submit the bug to the problem eg: debian and link it to ubuntu
[20:25] <jared_> Im Hared
[20:25] <abradley> Is there a way to setup ubuntu to replicate (source) or duplice (destination) files in real-time?
[20:25] <jared_> Sorry Im Jared, I Can Help With Linux Problems!
[20:25] <abradley> ---to another ubuntu box on lan
[20:25] <Guest31261> NickServ
[20:26] <jdenning> ikonia: Thanks - that's all I was trying to ascertain.
[20:26] <ikonia> jdenning: as that file should not be there though - you may want to think about how you approach it
[20:26] <Guest31261> Can someone help me be able to share files between linux and mac over LAN with no software needed to be downloaded?
[20:27] <jdenning> ikonia: I'm not looking at taking over maintainership of the package - I just had to fix something, and thought it might be useful to the community.
[20:27] <Guest31261> Can someone help me be able to share files between linux and mac over LAN with no software needed to be downloaded?
[20:27] <faugusztin> Guest31261: OS X, open Terminal, scp command
[20:27] <ikonia> jdenning: I didn't say take over mainteance, I said think about how you approach it as that file should not exist
[20:27] <faugusztin> same on Linux
[20:27] <jdenning> I'm pretty far from a newb, but I've never contributed a patch to a pacakge before.
[20:28] <Slart> Guest31261: is it a clean default install of both systems?
[20:28] <ikonia> jdenning: no-one said you where a "newb" you'll get better results if you read what you're being given rather than putting words in peoples mouths
[20:28] <loa> it is crazy how different all my old kernels work) using some can't even login, using one can't connect to local network)
[20:28] <Guest31261> how do i do the scp command
[20:28] <loa> it is like a magic
[20:28] <funky> hello
[20:28] <ikonia> loa: that has nothing to do with kernels
[20:28] <jdenning> ikonia: Well, I don't get ==
[20:28] <faugusztin> Guest31261: http://ged.msu.edu/angus/tutorials/using-ssh-scp-terminal-macosx.html
[20:28] <loa> ikonia, i meen old kernels from ubuntu
[20:28] <Guest31261> k thanks
[20:28] <funky> when I create mx record to mail.domain.com do I also create A record to point mail.domain.com to server IP?
[20:29] <jdenning> ikonia: Don't get what you are saying I should do about the freeradius script being installed in "the wrong spot"
[20:29] <ikonia> loa: still has nothing to do with it
[20:29] <loa> ikonia, what you meen nothing to do with it?
[20:29] <funky> any ideas?
[20:29] <jdenning> ikonia: 12.04 has a *lot* of files in /etc/init.d
[20:29] <Gregor_> Hello, i got a mini itx server, and i want to replace the 0,5tb with a 2tb. Are 2tb widely supported, or should i take a 1TB?   Intel nm10 chipset, I found nothing in data sheets...
[20:29] <ikonia> jdenning: well, that file shouldn't exist, so why is the file there, is it meant to be using upstart, or not, is the bug that it's not linked to an upstart script, etc, as if you fix the "broken" file it may get undone if/when it's fixed properly
[20:30] <faugusztin> Gregor_: it will be fine, 2.2TB+ is a problem for some controllers, not for NM10
[20:30] <funky> hey faugusztin
[20:32] <jdenning> ikonia: Well, as I said, a lot of 12.04 *LTS* (as in, the only branch that is currently suitable for real server use) packages install files in /etc/init.d.  I assumed this patch would be useful to others in the community.  I will try to get in touch with the maintainer for Debian and see if they're interested.
[20:32] <ikonia> jdenning: have you actually looked at the files in /etc/init.d ?
[20:33] <jdenning> ikonia: Yes, I'm looking at them now - want a list?
[20:33] <jdenning> (It's also where the ssh init script is installed BTW)
[20:33] <ikonia> jdenning: no, I mean have you actually looked at the init script you're considering patching,
[20:33] <ikonia> jdenning: as a lot of them are not scripts any more
[20:33] <jdenning> ikonia: I've already patched it
[20:33] <fhf> Hi guys I wanted to try out XRDP and installed it in my Ubuntu 12.04 machine. But now when I login the screen is blank (shows only wallpaper) I already removed xrdp package but I cannot access my desktop fine. How can I restore normal Unity Desktop?
[20:34] <jdenning> ikonia: It works great in my usage - it's nothing super fancy, just adds a 'status' output
[20:34] <jdenning> (which is necessary for certain CM frameworks)
[20:35] <hayri> hi i installed ubuntu 12.04 and windows7, but now grub does not detect windows when i type sudo update-grub although sudo os-prober detects windows. how can I add windows to my grub?
[20:35] <jdenning> ikonia: Out of curiosity - did you really think I was asking about submitting a patch for a script I had not even looked at?
[20:35] <joichiro> #d
[20:36] <ShadeS> hey guys, if i'm running a tail-f on a debug file, the screen will eventually go dim. How do I fix this?
[20:36] <ikonia> jdenning: possibly yes, checked it on debian and assumed it was the same in ubuntu etc,
[20:36] <funky> 10 mail.roldax.com {No A Record} 10 min Blacklist Check      SMTP Test what does it mean?
[20:36] <funky> no a record
[20:38] <Pici> funky: mail.roldax.com doesn't have an A record.  The domain name doesn't point anywhere.
[20:38] <jdenning> ikonia: I *did* specify repeatedly this was on ubuntu 12.04..but whatever..
[20:39] <funky> Pici got it
[20:39] <badomun_> win show1
[20:40] <frustro> hi 13.04, trying DVD playback, but medibuntu repo is down.
[20:41] <frustro> as is gone.
[20:41] <ikonia> jdenning: I'm not sure why you are tyring to "win" here - you came in asking for help and have been defensive ever since, submit your patch or not, to who ever you want, I don't care I just tried ot advise you some things to be aware of
[20:41] <frustro> so the .sh file gets a 404. when trying to wget it.
[20:42] <jhutchins> frustro: Standard mplayer should work.
[20:42] <jdenning> ikonia: I'm not trying to win, I'm hoping you will realize how much hostility you are showing to someone who came in just asking "who should I talk to about submitting this patch that I think might be useful to people"
[20:42] <jdenning> ikonia: Thanks for the help anyways
[20:42] <ikonia> jdenning: offering advise and making sure they have everything in order is not "hostile"
[20:43] <OerHeks> frustro, use restricted extraś > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras  # and follow the guide > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[20:43] <frustro> OerHeks, Then open a terminal window and execute:
[20:43] <frustro> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[20:43] <jdenning> ikonia: As I said, thanks.
[20:43] <frustro> 404.
[20:44] <frustro> The Medibuntu Project has come to an end
[20:44] <frustro> The Medibuntu repository is unmaintained and offline.
[20:44] <OerHeks> frustro, you do not have that sh file, as medibuntu is down, as you stated
[20:45] <frustro> I do the the sh file silly.  what the sh file is trying to wget is no longer there.
[20:45] <frustro> the link you provided to follow no longer works.
[20:46] <OerHeks> frustro, maybe the sh file in medibuntu does not work, i am sure restricted extras does.
[20:47] <ShutemDown> sup
[20:48] <frustro> OerHeks, I have the restricted extras, but not the dvdread4css, which allows ubuntu to read dvd content.
[20:48] <frustro> wait...archive.org here I come!
[20:49] <OerHeks> dvdread4, not dvdread4css.
[21:02] <m_tadeu> hi...does ubuntu provide boost pre-compiled headers?
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> m_tadeu: You might be more detailed with that question.
[21:08] <m_tadeu> wilee-nilee: I'd like to know if ubuntu provides a package with pre-compiled headers for the boost libraries
[21:09] <vkr> hello
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> m_tadeu: I would not know, I was just prompting you for details, for the likely hood of help.
[21:12] <m_tadeu> wilee-nilee: thanx :) but  I can't think a way to detail that :) it's pretty straight forward
[21:13] <YokoBR_> hey guys, how do i install 64bit wine on ubuntu?
[21:13] <YokoBR_> apt-get install wine is installing the 32bit wineserver version
[21:14] <tgm4883> YokoBR_, do you really need the 64-bit version of wine?
[21:14] <YokoBR_> yep, tgm4883. The 32bit version doesn't work with pulseaudio as i can see.
[21:14] <tgm4883> YokoBR_, doesn't work with pulseaudio? odd
[21:15] <YokoBR_> tgm4883, at least there's no such option on winecfg... so i can't run anything
[21:16] <Marlenee> how can i connect to anthor ssh server using private key
[21:16] <tom____> Hello
[21:17] <njsg> Marlenee: you need to upload the public key to the server before connecting
[21:17] <njsg> Marlenee: if the server allows public key authentication, the client will try the private keys you have before going for the challenge-response authentication ("password")
[21:17] <njsg> Marlenee: there was even a one-liner for that, let me see if I can find it
[21:17] <ace_me> can I fix somehow the broken lines outputed by bash and a sh ? http://imagebin.org/273213
[21:18] <Marlenee> i sign up in VPS and they just give me private key in format .pem
[21:18] <Marlenee> i try to add this key in authorized_keys and its not work
[21:18] <njsg> on then you need to store the private key locally. that's awkward, I guess, I'd usually expect to have to generate the key pair locally, then upload the public part
[21:19] <njsg> Marlenee: if it's a private key, you are supposed to add it locally, not to authorized_keys
[21:19] <njsg> authorized_keys is for the public keys that can be used to log in
[21:19] <Marlenee> njsg : i cant log in ??
[21:19] <njsg> here I have .ssh/id_rsa, but I have no idea of how to add another key
[21:21] <YokoBR_> :(
[21:22] <njsg> Marlenee: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2419566/best-way-to-use-multiple-ssh-private-keys-on-one-client
[21:23] <njsg> Marlenee: so apparently you can use ssh -i path-to-key ...
[21:23] <njsg> Marlenee: but the key you have has .pem, so it's probably in PEM
[21:23] <YokoBR_> please, just need to install wine64 again :(
[21:24] <njsg> Marlenee: ssh-keygen can convert these, from the manpage seems to be something like "ssh-keygen -i -m PEM"
[21:24] <njsg> Marlenee: sorry if some of this gets off, I'm mostly reading it, but I didn't actually test it
[21:25] <njsg> Marlenee: oh, it should be "ssh-keygen -i -m PEM -f path-to-key", I suppose it will *output* the result, but dunno
[21:27] <jamescarr> hey guys, started getting some issues today
[21:27] <jamescarr> Failed to fetch http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/lxc/liblxc0_0.9.0-0ubuntu3.4_amd64.deb  403  Forbidden
[21:27] <jamescarr> started happening in the last half hour
[21:27] <jamescarr> what gives!?
[21:27] <Marlenee> njsg : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6215614/
[21:28] <tgm4883> jamescarr, that sounds like an amazon question
[21:29] <jamescarr> tgm4883: eh?
[21:29] <tgm4883> oh wait, i just glanced at it
[21:30] <tgm4883> Is that in  your sources.list?
[21:30] <njsg> Marlenee: yes, that will happen, private keys need to be unreadable by others (ssh is just trying to avoid potentially dangerous scenarios), just do "chmod og-rwx MyKeyPair.pem". Also, it seems you're still using the pem file, did you pass it through ssh-keygen?
[21:32] <jamescarr> tgm4883: Im using an official ubuntu ami
[21:33] <dtcrshr> Marlenee: regata é voce?
[21:33] <tgm4883> jamescarr, I'd ask over in #ubuntu-server
[21:33] <jamescarr> thx
[21:35] <arnau_> Hi everyone! I need some help, I'm almost there. I have a dual boot win/linuxmint and on windows my NIC speed is 100Mb/s. On linux the NIC speed is set to 10Mb/s. When I try to change it with command "sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full" , it seems to change the NIC's settings, but the wired connection goes down. Does anyone know what should I do?
[21:36] <tgm4883> !mint | arnau_
[21:37] <arnau_> they sent me here XD
[21:37] <arnau_> I was hoping that you could help me
[21:37] <tgm4883> arnau_, perhaps you should tell them you are using Linux Mint
[21:37] <njsg> arnau_: it's not ubuntu, but a general tip is really: check if it uses the right driver, google for known issues with that card on linux
[21:37] <arnau_> yes they know
[21:38] <arnau_> well thanks anyway, have fun! =)
[21:38] <LjL> arnau_: wait, who sent you herre
[21:38] <arnau_> "<morten77> arnau: you can ask in #ubuntu too if you want, I mean it is same thing as mint on that sort of things I think"
[21:39] <tony_stark_markV> arnau_:
[21:39] <Marlenee> !paste
[21:39] <tony_stark_markV> arnau_: Its all debian based
[21:39] <k1l_> well, it says its an "own OS" on their page. so they take support for it. thats it
[21:39] <dtcrshr> arnau_: since you already lost the social engeneering telling you are on mint, better bail now :D
[21:39] <fishcooker> fishcoo
[21:39] <dtcrshr> people on spotchat are friendly as well
[21:40] <njsg> arnau_: if it works on windows, this is most likely a driver issue, investigate that.
[21:41] <arnau_> I have the right driver. I saw a picture of the connection info from an italian guy: same driver, same everything, except he has "Speed: 100Mb/s" and I have "Speed: 10Mb/s"
[21:41] <arnau_> It's driving me nuts XD
[21:41] <myep> I am having an issue where my screen freezes on window switch, no dmesg errors, no Xorg errors, no i915_error_state, sound still plays, mouse moves, clock and graphics dont update, need to do a rightAlt+SysRq+k to boot to login screen
[21:41] <arnau_> now I was answering to you njsg
[21:42] <Nosophorus> what's the casual chat for ubuntu users?
[21:42] <njsg> arnau_: same kernel version?
[21:42] <Nosophorus> i mean to talk about off-topic issues
[21:42] <k1l_> !ot | Nosophorus
[21:42] <arnau_> Don't know njsg
[21:42] <Nosophorus> k1l_: thanks!
[21:43] <krull> arnau_: use uname -r to get kernal version
[21:43] <arnau_> thanks krull. It says "3.5.0-17-generic"
[21:44] <krull> arnau_: why are you not up to 3.2.0-53-generic?
[21:44] <njsg> arnau_: check that, compare it
[21:44] <mojtaba> Is it possible to generate an audio file from a pdf or other text like files?
[21:44] <arnau_> Because I'm a newbie krull, that's why XD
[21:44] <k1l_> krull: arnau_ njsg because its mint.
[21:44] <krull> arnau_: we all started as newbies at one time
[21:44] <k1l_> krull: njsg arnau_ and that for they got a own support channel
[21:45] <tgm4883> isn't 3.5 > 3.2?
[21:45] <njsg> arnau_: you want to compare if the kernel version is the same, if they are then I guess the kernel log is the last resort
[21:45] <k1l_> so if you guys want to solve the int issues please got to the mint channels. thanks
[21:45] <njsg> and kernels can still have disto-specific patches, different configs...
[21:45] <arnau_> oh that's right tgm4883 XD
[21:46] <arnau_> k1l_: sorry, I couldn't find any help there
[21:46] <k1l_> arnau_: then try the mint forums
[21:46] <arnau_> yep, will do
[21:47] <myep> I am having an issue where my screen freezes on window switch, no dmesg errors, no Xorg errors, no i915_error_state, sound still plays, mouse moves, clock and graphics dont update, need to do a rightAlt+SysRq+k to boot to login screen, I can provide any other specifics as needed, ubuntu 12.04LTS, happened since day0
[21:48] <arnau_> oh, oh! Last question. What does it mean to load a module for a driver?
[21:48] <Enekoos> hello, I have some litle problem, I search some time for it in internet but not find answer: I use a tablet digital for drawing and 2 monitors, my problem is in te tablet resolution for print is like a 2 monitors, wen drawing a circle screen drawing a elipse ([21:48] <wilee-nilee> myep: same thing with a live boot?
[21:49] <njsg> arnau_: it means loading the kernel module. nowadays, linux will usually be configured to load modules automatically, but you can still use modprobe manually (and in some cases you *need* to, for some reason)
[21:49] <myep> i have not tried a live boot, you suggest I try an ubuntu 12.04 Live session?
[21:49] <jhutchins> Enekoos: That probably depends on what exact make & model tablet it is.
[21:50] <wilee-nilee> myep: yes if it works, you can assume driver or install problems at the least, another user is another option.
[21:50] <Enekoos> is a trust tablet
[21:51] <Enekoos> but linux not have a litle config file?
[21:51] <myep> @wilee-nilee: isnt it odd that I have no error information anywhere? I suspect I will be able to reproduce a crash on a Live CD, but i can try it
[21:51] <Enekoos> waltop is very limited
[21:52] <wilee-nilee> myep: can we assume your computer is up for this install and desktop hardware wise?
[21:53] <myep> wilee-nilee: are you asking if my hardware is modern enough?
[21:54] <vexati0n> hi. In Ubuntu 13.04, x64, where are the options for RECEIVING files via bluetooth? I can send them just fine, but how do I receive them?
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> myep: It may as simple as a bad install, and yes is the hadware/ram up for the use.
[21:55] <myep> wilee-nilee: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  E2200, Mem:       3203920, Swap:      8000508, clean install, minimal packages added, second rig this has happened on
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> myep: your description is missing some pertinent info that you would be asked, for instance hardware and desktop used and any others tried.
[21:55] <SonikkuAmerica> vexati0n: Switch Bluetooth on, make sure you're visible.
[21:56] <myep> wilee-nilee: i have tried all desktops, it is present with all of them
[21:58] <myep> wilee-nilee: can you think of a way to even identify the offending process? I cannot even determine that, top looks fine
[21:59] <mozg_> hello guys
[21:59] <mozg_>  is anyone running 3.11 ubuntu soucy kernel?
[21:59] <mozg_>  I've just installed it and it seems that the following library /lib/modules/3.11.0-12-generic/kernel/drivers/infiniband/core/ib_umad.ko is a 32bit one even though my os and my kernel is 64bit
[21:59] <mozg_> could someone please verify that with ldd / file?
[21:59] <OerHeks> !saucy | mozg_
[22:00] <myep> mozg_:why not roll back to a more stable kernel?
[22:00] <wilee-nilee> myep: Is this the only freeze up instance?
[22:00] <mozg_> myep, I need to test something
[22:00] <mozg_> as 3.8 seems to cause me issues
[22:00] <mtong> Can anyone help a noob with an xrdp problem?
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> !help
[22:01] <mozg_> is anyone running  3.11 kernel from the official repo?
[22:01] <myep> wilee-nilee: no it happens intermitantly on multi window switch, i can get it to occur in about 5 min, but under normal operation it happens a few times a day
[22:01] <gassho> how do you get the name of a usb wifi
[22:01] <gassho> plugged in to the computerer
[22:01] <SonikkuAmerica> gassho: lsusb
[22:02] <njsg> gassho: what name?
[22:03] <wilee-nilee> myep: I would do a memory check from the live cd, might be bad ram, or other hardware, have you confirmed this computer should just run ubuntu?
[22:03] <mtong> When I connect to my Ubuntu box using remote desktop and then try to connect it to a VPN I get "Not Authorized to control networking" when I do this on the machine directly it works. Im using the same user to log in, in  both instances.
[22:03] <gassho> Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[22:03] <mtong> !help
[22:03] <mtong> !patience
[22:04] <myep> wilee-nilee: me and our infastructure guy have run multiple full passes on bad blocks, rand days of memtest, and it was worked on all ubuntus until 12.04LTS
[22:04] <wilee-nilee> myep: askubuntu might be a place to see if others have this pro lem with the same setup
[22:05] <wilee-nilee> myep: bad blocks, you have any on the hd?
[22:05] <myep> wilee-nilee: no problems of any kind on the hardware
[22:05] <fishcooker> what's should i do when my serial port don't work well .. because i don't get the output here is my log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214857/
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> myep: how much ram?
[22:06] <fishcooker> from ttyS0-3 is not working
[22:06] <myep> wilee-nilee: 3GB :( thats all 3 slots (yes i have 3, strange)
[22:07] <fishcooker> i think that's driver problem
[22:09] <wilee-nilee> myep: I would use htop to see whats running, I use a conky to watch my ram and other stuff, you might have something running the ram high, I also change the swappiness,  but I have a ssd
[22:09] <njsg> fishcooker: did you enable the serial line discipline?
[22:09] <njsg> fishcooker: dunno if it comes as a module in the ubuntu kernel, but in order to just cat to/from a serial port you need that
[22:09] <mojtaba> Is it possible to generate an audio file from a .pdf or other text like files?
[22:09] <myep> wilee-nilee: i have 8GB of swap, do you think that is incorrect?
[22:09] <wilee-nilee> myep: I just wonder if it is swapping.
[22:10] <njsg> mojtaba: what kind of audio file?
[22:10] <mojtaba> njsg: something like mp3
[22:10] <mojtaba> I have some books and I would like to listen to them while I am driving in my car.
[22:10] <njsg> mojtaba: but what would the file contain?
[22:10] <myep> wilee: wouldnt the screen eventually recover if it was swapping?  Ive let it sit for like 1hr and it never recovers
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> myep: not sure what you mean by incorrect, this a 64bit?
[22:11] <myep> wilee: plus i can switch to tty1, and the machine is fast and responsive for console tasks
[22:11] <mojtaba> njsg: Input file is text, pdf file, and the output is audio file.
[22:11] <myep> wilee: yes im running 64bit
[22:11] <njsg> mojtaba: but text-to-speech?
[22:11] <mojtaba> njsg: something like that.
[22:11] <njsg> mojtaba: as in, an audio file where the text is read aloud?
[22:12] <njsg> mojtaba: look into festival, a text-to-speech engine
[22:12] <njsg> mojtaba: dunno if they have a specific tool to write to an audio file, but I suppose they'd include that
[22:12] <njsg> pdftotext to generate plain text from the text layer of a pdf or tesseract to do good OCR out of images
[22:13] <mojtaba> njsg: Is there any tool to convert that text file via cmd?
[22:13] <gartral> mojtaba: festival does include the ability to pipe through sox for generating a TTS file in almost any imaginable audio format
[22:14] <mojtaba> gartral: what is festival?
[22:14] <njsg> mojtaba: a text-to-speech engine
[22:14] <gartral> mojtaba: festival is a TTS engine, usually it just reads files
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> myep: it would recover if whatever is causing it to swap reduced, maybe that is not happening, at this point we are guessing with dichotomies, check what is running with htop in general, and monitor the ram use and swap, would be a good start.
[22:14] <njsg> mojtaba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_tts
[22:15] <gartral> mojtaba: you may want to look at the way the Rockbox guys use it to generate wavs out of text strings..
[22:15] <mojtaba> njsg, gartral: thanks
[22:15] <myep> wilee: ok ill fire up the live cd, is there any other data you can think of, that I would want to capture in this error state?
[22:15] <mojtaba> gartral: Do you have any link?
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> myep: I rarely use error info, so not realy
[22:16] <fishcooker> how to enable serial line njsg.. please  give me direction
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> an area I k ow
[22:16] <Tex_Nick> ubuntu 13.04 : i just acquired a used 1 TB HDD with a few bad sectors ... what's my best bet to map those sectors out ... not a data critical disk & prefer to do it in ubuntu (not windows) ... would SMART automatically do that for me or fdisk, parted, complete format ?
[22:16] <fishcooker> njsg how to enable
[22:17] <myep> wilee: ok thanks ill do some more investigation
[22:17] <gartral> mojtaba: you'll have to dig through http://www.rockbox.org
[22:17] <Tex_Nick> also SMART shows disk to be OK
[22:17] <muhammad-yasin_> hallow
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> myep: my computers have generally worked out of the box for the last 7 years, so I have  not used errors much is all.
[22:17] <muhammad-yasin_> iam from indonesia
[22:18] <fishcooker> hello there
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> Tex_Nick:  the way ive done it in the past (hard core) was to figure out where the bad spots were at. and then partion the disk so the bad area + a lot to either side. was in a partion i never used. ;)
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> Smart results can be  missleading. from the articals ive read in teh past.
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> Indonesia-Yasin: Do you need help, this is support.
[22:18] <Indonesia-Yasin> you can help me?
[22:18] <gartral> Dr_Willis: you know you *could* have manually marked that region as bad >.>
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> !details | Indonesia-Yasin
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  i dident trust the disk at all. it had a lot of bad stuff at the end. so i chopped it all off.
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> Indonesia-Yasin: state the issues to the channel.
[22:19] <Indonesia-Yasin> how?
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> in case the bad stuff spreead.
[22:19] <Tylertwo> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04 using LXDE. Any idea how to prevent Mono from starting automatically when my computer boots?
[22:19] <Indonesia-Yasin> iam on ubuntu 13.04 desktop
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> Indonesia-Yasin: with your keyboard.
[22:20] <gartral> Dr_Willis: sounds like a platter crack was developing, I hate when that happens..
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> lol
[22:20] <Tex_Nick> Dr_Willis : i like that thought, now what's the best utility for finding the exact sectors ? (15 bad sectors)
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> Tex_Nick:  i think badblocks perhaps.. been ages since ive last done it.
[22:21] <fishcooker> i've used minicom / picocom to check my serial port on ttyS0-3 but there is no output
[22:21] <YokoBR> @austin987, i think i'll do a fresh install of ubuntu... now i'm getting wine: failed to initialize: /usr/local/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory , after uninstalling wine
[22:21] <YokoBR> to reinstall it
[22:21] <Tex_Nick> Dr_Willis : thanks my friend ... you've pointed me in a good direction ... i'll head that way ;-)
[22:21] <SonikkuAmerica> !isitout
[22:22] <fishcooker> how to check that driver for serial installed properly
[22:22] <fishcooker> ?
[22:22] <YokoBR> @austin987, got worse: wine: failed to initialize: /usr/local/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> fishcooker:  i recall if you dont have teh  port/bits/rate/xon/xoff settings just right - you wont see anything
[22:23] <YokoBR> @austin987, i've uninstalled, removed, purged and deleted everything related to wine
[22:23] <YokoBR> to reinstall
[22:23] <njsg> fishcooker: if it's available as a module, "modprobe serport" as root should load it
[22:23] <YokoBR> but when i try to install from ppa, it only downloads 21 kb, and gives that error
[22:23] <fishcooker> but i've have tried the same way on 12.04 yesterday now im on 10.04
[22:23] <YokoBR> wine: failed to initialize: /usr/local/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:24] <Yowl> Is there a difference between disabling swap and mounting it as a ram disk?
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  it dosent make much sence to put swap on a ram disk.
[22:26] <vee_> hey guys, my wifi doesn't seem to be working. i checked out ifconfig, and phy0 doesn't seem to be there. i tried to do ifconfig phy0, and it says there is no such device. i checked rfkill and it says phy0 is not soft blocked. ideas? its a ath9k wifi card
[22:26] <njsg> vee_: ifconfig -a
[22:26] <mtong> Q: When I connect to my Ubuntu box using remote desktop and then try to connect it to a VPN I get "Not Authorized to control networking" when I do this on the machine directly it works. Im using the same user to log in, in  both instances.
[22:26] <njsg> vee_: ifconfig only shows devices that are up
[22:26] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: So it would be the same thing?
[22:27] <n-iCe> hi
[22:27] <CarlFK> what is the nifty command that will dump the metadata from an image file?
[22:27] <vee_> oh i see....wlan0 shows up
[22:27] <njsg> vee_: with wifi my first suspect would be firmware, check the kernel log (dmesg) for possible firmware-related errors
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  it would not be the same thing. why would you think that
[22:27] <njsg> CarlFK: EXIF? if so exiftool
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  if you dont want to use swap - disable it.
[22:27] <njsg> CarlFK: but it depends on the image format and metadata format
[22:27] <vee_> thats strange, njsg, wpagui doesn't seem to find my adapter
[22:27] <CarlFK> njsg sounds like it - thanks
[22:28] <njsg> vee_: check lspci -k to see if it has a kernel module loaded for it and check dmesg for errors. which card is it?
[22:28] <chaotix> hey guys...  in what folder can i find the help files used in yelp?
[22:28] <njsg> oh ath9k. you may need external firmware, yeah
[22:28] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: Because., swap is ram on drive, and ram drive is ram used as a hard drive, so wouldn't it being going full circle, putting ram work on ram?
[22:28] <vee_> njsg: what external firmware? i've installed wireless-tools
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> Yowl: thats not technically true. id go read up on the various swap howtos and guides and docs.
[22:29] <chaotix> doc w, do you know?
[22:29] <njsg> vee_: dunno what the package name is in ubuntu, but linux wireless drivers frequently need external firmware that is not included due to license issues
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> chaotix:  /usr/share/docs or  the man page dirs.. i cant even recall what yelp is
[22:31] <vee_> njsg: was reading some stuff on debian and it says it should be fine...hm ill look into it
[22:31] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: In the end though, swap on ram drive would just be a less efficient way of disabling swap?
[22:32] <njsg> debian, fine without external firmware packages? mr "DFSG" debian...
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  more overhead - so its pointless. Unless you had one of those weird ram-card-drive things that  came out like 10 yrs ago. ;)
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> and its not the same as disabling swap
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> I seem to recall benchmarks a few years back where  having a little swap helped the system  even with a lot of ram. but this was 5+ yrs ago. so theres been a lot of kernel work since then
[22:33] <Yowl>  Dr_Willis If one has enough ram, there is no need for swap, right?
[22:33] <njsg> Yowl: no, it will be an effective way of increasing thrashing. if you want to disable on-disk swap, disable swap completely
[22:33] <gartral> Dr_Willis: it's still the case, trust me
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  i have a 8gb system with no swap - becaue i frogot to partion for it. but  these days if you want to use Hibernate/suspend you DO want swap = ram+a bit more
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  ;) i cant even recall how they benchmarked it.
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[22:34] <gartral> Yowl: wrong, you'll need swap if you want hibernation or do a LOT of compilation work
[22:34] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: Can I set swap to be disabled except for hibernation?
[22:34] <njsg> gartral: you don't need swap to hibernate
[22:34] <njsg> you can hibernate to files, IIRC
[22:35] <Yowl> mjsg or in other words, it makes its own swap if swap is disabled?
[22:35] <Yowl> for hibernation
[22:35] <gartral> njsg: swap is any file or partition that acts as a hdd buffer for ram, so, yes, you do need swap
[22:37] <Yowl> gartral: That is what swap is, but if you have enough ram then you dont need the buffer, presumably
[22:38] <skinux> Do all screenlets have to be written in Python?
[22:38] <njsg> Yowl: I think gartral just wanted to exercise some pedantry on how the hibernation file is used to store memory contents
[22:38] <Yowl> Ok so if I disable swap, will hibernation just make its own space and still do fine?
[22:39] <OerHeks> Yowl, no.
[22:39] <njsg> Yowl: you probably need to provide explicit settings for hibernation and resume
[22:39] <Yowl> OerHeks: Then is there a way to disable swap except for hibernation?
[22:39] <Yowl> njsg So there is?
[22:39] <njsg> Yowl: don't enable it, I guess you can remove the swap partition from fstab
[22:39] <njsg> depends on how ubuntu finds swap partitions to enable, though
[22:40] <ajith_kanu> had a windows OS.while installing ubuntu to dual boot accidently deleted  windows.How to recover important files that was on windows? please
[22:40] <njsg> ajith_kanu: how did you "delete windows"?
[22:40] <OerHeks> Yowl, maybe you can play around with swapiness, set to 0  > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[22:41] <qin> Yowl: man swapoff; man pm-action
[22:41] <OerHeks> qin +1
[22:41] <ajith_kanu> njsg:It was my friends problem.I think heautomatically installed ubuntu on the entire disk
[22:41] <qin> Yowl: Why 2-3 gig of swap does bother you anyway?
[22:42] <elGr33k0> Hello
[22:43] <Enekoos> hello, any know how to change resolution for digitizing tablet ?
[22:43] <michael_> #tm129
[22:43] <Yowl> qin swap will slow my system down compared to pure ram
[22:44] <qin> Yowl: huh?
[22:44] <elGr33k0> @Enekoos what do you mean digitizing tablet?
[22:44] <qin> Yowl: Headbutt person who told you this
[22:44] <Yowl> qin: Hard drives are slower then Ram- Not just a urban legend
[22:45] <njsg> Yowl: if your system slows down because of swap, why do you think disabling it will do any better?
[22:45] <Yowl> forces the system to use ram
[22:45] <njsg> why do you think the system is using swap in the first place?
[22:45] <njsg> Yowl: if you think *preemptive* swapping is happening a lot, tune swappiness
[22:45] <ricardobarbosams> anyone deploy proxy-arp in ubuntu?
[22:45] <njsg> but if the system is using swap because it's out of ram, disabling swap won't do any good
[22:45] <ricardobarbosams> 13.04
[22:45] <njsg> buy more ram™
[22:46] <Yowl> njsg I know that
[22:47] <elGr33k0> Yowl you can always check what other processes are running
[22:47] <elGr33k0> and close them
[22:47] <qin> Yowl: How much RAM do you have? And how much swap do you use on day to day basis? You can also suspend with write to RAM, unlike hibernate...
[22:48] <Enekoos> elGr33k0:  https://www.google.es/search?q=digitizing+tablet&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Kt1VUvXuFIaU0AXhv4HgBQ&ved=0CEUQsAQ&biw=1231&bih=912&dpr=1
[22:49] <Yowl> Well I do have a issue where suspend won't wake up sometimes, forcing me to do a hard reset
[22:49] <Yowl> qin: How do I choose to suspend to ram?
[22:51] <qin> Yowl: pm-suspend
[22:51] <Yowl> qin: pm?
[22:51] <loa> how i can set affinity on permanent mode for application?
[22:51] <loa> for example dota 2
[22:52] <qin> Yowl: power manager
[22:52] <loa> running from steam
[22:53] <Yowl> qin: Run that as a terminal command?
[22:53] <qin> loa: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html
[22:54] <qin> Yowl: sure, yet you just said that there is some bug with your suspend
[22:54] <loa> qin, i understand how set affinity, i can't uderstand how i can set affinity for dota running from steam
[22:55] <qin> loa: you need id of process, from htop i.e.
[22:55] <loa> qin, i want to do this automatically
[22:56] <loa> i thought about script for crontab
[22:56] <qin> loa: pgrep may help
[22:56] <loa> it will try to find dota process and set affinity
[22:58] <Yowl> qin: Sometimes I have wordpad files with unsaved content when my PC goes into suspension, could that be why I can't wake it up? And sometimes when I can't wake it up, it doesn't seem like its fully suspended in the first place since the power button isnt flashing and the fans are running, but I still can't get anything to appear on the screen
[22:58] <daniel1> I'm trying to get my bcm4311 wireless chipset to work in an hp pavillion laptop.. but apt-get freezes on the message "DKMS: install completed" for both wl and b43.. any help?
[22:59] <daniel1> in the short-term, that also means I'm stuck with "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg)" errors with apt-get..
[23:00] <Yowl> OerHeks: Sometimes I have wordpad files with unsaved content when my PC goes into suspension, could that be why I can't wake it up? And sometimes when I can't wake it up, it doesn't seem like its fully suspended in the first place since the power button isnt flashing and the fans are running, but I still can't get anything to appear on the screen
[23:00] <daniel1> anyone?
[23:01] <msx> daniel1: just ask, if anoyane can answer your enquiere, will do
[23:02] <daniel1> I'm trying to get my bcm4311 wireless chipset to work in an hp pavillion laptop.. but apt-get freezes on the message "DKMS: install completed" for both wl and b43.. any help?
[23:02] <daniel1> in the short-term, that also means I'm stuck with "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg)" errors with apt-get..
[23:02] <msx> *enquirie*enquiry
[23:03] <Moseco> I have ubuntu 12.04 installed on a drive and windows 8.1 installed on a separate drive (installed ubuntu then windows 8 later). What is the best way to set up GRUB to dualboot?
[23:03] <Ben64> !grub | Moseco
[23:03] <msx> daniel1: ok, this /var/lib/dpkg is a temp file set by dpkg to tell the system that a package management action is ongoing, that's why you receive the lock
[23:04] <mtong> Q: When I connect to my Ubuntu box using remote desktop and then try to connect it to a VPN I get "Not Authorized to control networking" when I do this on the machine directly it works. Im using the same user to log in, in  both instances.
[23:04] <msx> daniel1: please open a console and do: $ ps aux | grep dpkg
[23:04] <Moseco> ubottu: Thank you
[23:04] <daniel1> thanks msx, I had to ctrl-c apt-get because it hung when installing wireless drivers.  so its ok to delete /var/lib/dpkg?
[23:05] <msx> daniel1: you can kill the process using the command: $ sudo kill -9 {number of dpkg process}
[23:05] <msx> daniel1: it isn't actually the best thing to do but yeah, this is GNU+Linux so it won't make any harm
[23:05] <daniel1> ok, it is a directory tho..
[23:06] <Ben64> yeah dont delete that directorty
[23:06] <msx> daniel1: what is really strange is the dpkg freeze when installing the wireless card module...
[23:06] <daniel1> would it not just be better to delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock?
[23:06] <Ben64> stop trying to delete stuff
[23:06] <msx> lol
[23:06] <qin> lol
[23:06] <Ben64> the problem that error message is saying is that something else is using apt
[23:07] <daniel1> hehehhe. yeah I'm old enough to be a responsible  sudo rm'er..
[23:07] <msx> daniel1: as a rule of dumb NEVER ever delete anything before being completely sure you won't miss that
[23:07] <Enekoos> ubuntu use Xorg.conf or other file? I search for file to configuration to digitalizer tablet
[23:07] <daniel1> msx: you just said it was fine to delete it :-P anyway I'm pretty sure there is nothing else using dpkg, and that I am the one who was responsible for control-c'ing apt-get, causing the lock to not be removed
[23:07] <qin> !xorg.conf
[23:08] <overlook> ..
[23:08] <Yowl> Sometimes I have wordpad files with unsaved content when my PC goes into suspension, could that be why I can't wake it up? And sometimes when I can't wake it up, it doesn't seem like its fully suspended in the first place since the power button isnt flashing and the fans are running, but I still can't get anything to appear on the screen
[23:08] <msx> daniel1: btw, the only thing i can think of is rebooting and then on a freshly booted system try to install the driver again
[23:08] <msx> daniel1: yes but i mean anything inside the directory, usually the lock file
[23:09] <bbtech> Is there a list somewhere of possible dot files that can go in the home directory?
[23:09] <daniel1> bbtech: anything can put a hidden (dot file as you call it) file or folder in the home directory
[23:09] <Enekoos> ok gin but no solve my problem :( where is the config?
[23:10] <bbtech> daniel1, yeah, I meant that would be used by a program.
[23:10] <Yowl> Is there a way to add suspend to ram in my system option?
[23:10] <bbtech> like, I noticed someone had an .aliases file and I then wondered if that was valid and what other files are valid
[23:11] <daniel1> bbtech: and? did the file not say what it was used for and why?
[23:11] <bbtech> daniel1, well, it had aliases in it...but that doesn't answer my question of what other files could I create?
[23:12] <bbtech> daniel1, for example, I've been creating a file for my aliases and using source to load them...didn't know about .aliases
[23:12] <bbtech> so how can I know about the other dot files that I can possibly use?
[23:13] <Sean121> Dot files can be created and used like regular files
[23:13] <bbtech> I'm wondering if any file in /etc can be replaced with a ~/.file
[23:14] <bbtech> Sean121, not what I'm asking. I'm wondering which dot files have a special purpose.
[23:15] <Tylertwo> bbtech, are you familiar with "ls -a"?
[23:15] <bbtech> Tylertwo, not all files are created by default
[23:16] <bbtech> Tylertwo, I currently don't have an .aliases file. Unless someone tells me that .aliases has a special purpose I might never know to create it.
[23:16] <Tylertwo> bbtech, gotcha.. i've never really thought along those lines tbh
[23:17] <daniel1> bbtech - presumably any hidden file has a special purpose, or else it owuldnt have been created in the first place… stricly speaking, users rarely have to create hidden files, programs mostly do that automaticly, unless a manual for a program states otherwise. but to the best of my knowledge, there is no repository for manually-created hidden files, nor could there be, since any software that someone writes could require a user to do that...
[23:18] <bbtech> daniel1, that does make sense. Doesn't make it easier for me to know about specific files though :-/
[23:18] <daniel1> heh...
[23:19] <jrib> bbtech: you learn about dotfiles by reading documentation
[23:19] <daniel1> bbtech: off the top of my head, the only example I can think of is ssh asking a user to move a newly-created private key for authentication into the .ssh directory… or .htaccess for configuring apache directives.. the uses are too varied and unique to catalog in one place :-)
[23:19] <bbtech> Is there even a way I can prove that the .aliases file would be used without trial and error? or maybe it is .alias?
[23:19] <jrib> bbtech: it's sourced in your ~/.bashrc
[23:20] <bbtech> jrib, what is sourced?
[23:20] <daniel1> bash configur settings, that's another I suppose..
[23:20] <jrib> bbtech: ~/.aliasrc
[23:20] <bbtech> jrib, oh, it's not in my .bashrc. Does that mean .aliases or .aliasrc wouldn't work?
[23:21] <jrib> bbtech: check your .bashrc.  ~/.aliasrc may just be something I created.  But there is some file sourced by default with "alias" in its name
[23:21] <skinux> This could be silly, but what 'hook' (if any) would be needed to run a script/app when screen lock is deactivated?
[23:21] <bbtech> jrib, that "default" thing is what I'm trying to figure out...just magically sourced?
[23:22] <jrib> bbtech: read your ~/.bashrc
[23:22] <bbtech> jrib, I have, alias* isn't in there
[23:22] <jrib> bbtech: then you aren't using the default .bashrc from /etc/skel/.bashrc in a standard ubuntu system
[23:22] <bbtech> jrib, my .bashrc is sourcing all files in my ~/dotfiles/source directory
[23:23] <Tylertwo> Why would you want an .aliasrc file?
[23:23] <bbtech> jrib, true, I'm on debian :-)
[23:23] <jrib> bbtech: that's something you setup; it's not standard
[23:23] <bbtech> jrib, correct
[23:23] <Ben64> bbtech: then why are you filling up #ubuntu? :|
[23:23] <bbtech> jrib, if I understand that means .aliases would not work for me?
[23:23] <Xabst> Hi, I upgraded my kernel to 3.11 and installed new ATI GFX drivers, and installed MATE desktop environment and now my X server gets seg fault. I'm on commandline irssi and I have no idea how to fix this :(
[23:23] <jrib> bbtech: this channel is for ubuntu support ;)   But just source whatever file you want in your .bashrc for your aliases.  It's purely an organizational preference to have aliases in a separate file instead of directly in ~/.bashrc
[23:23] <Enekoos> how can I see were is an usb element in a /dev/ items?
[23:24] <Ben64> Enekoos: huh?
[23:24] <Ben64> Xabst: mate is not supported here and is an evil zombie
[23:24] <Xabst> damn
[23:24] <Enekoos> I try configure a digitalizer tablet for usb
[23:24] <Xabst> but i uninstalled it already Ben64, still getting errors
[23:24] <Enekoos> and need were is in /dev/
[23:25] <deckard_> hello, are there any cool themed terminals i can DL?
[23:25] <Enekoos> her name in to /dev/ items
[23:25] <Ben64> Enekoos: not sure what you mean by that, but try dmesg and/or lsusb
[23:25] <Xabst> can you tell me how to downgrade my kernel back to 3.8?
[23:25] <daniel1> folks, I'm having a serious problem with apt-get hanging when I try to install broadcom wireless drivers. right now, I'm stuck in a loop where if I quit it, I have to run dpkg -c before I can do anything with apt, and then it just tries to install it again...
[23:25] <Enekoos> mm is good idea I go for searh in this thanks
[23:25] <bbtech> jrib, in debian the default .bashrc looks for ~/.bash_aliases
[23:25] <jrib> bbtech: in ubuntu too
[23:26] <SirFunk_> Is there a special channel for 13.10 talk? I seem to have  lost my notifications, they show up as ugly blue boxes now
[23:26] <jrib> SirFunk_: #ubuntu+1
[23:26] <bbtech> jrib, I like the idea of putting all of my .whatever files in ~/dotfiles/sources. I'm going to stick with that
[23:26] <bbtech> thanks for the help!
[23:26] <Ben64> bbtech: next time go to #debian
[23:26] <SirFunk_> jrib: thanks
[23:26] <bbtech> :-)
[23:27] <Ben64> Xabst: well i'm not sure what all you changed
[23:27] <Enekoos> input:          WALTOP     Graphics Tablet  as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.2/1-1.3.2:1.0/input/input14
[23:27] <Enekoos> :/
[23:28] <Xabst> Ben64: neither am I :( any idea how to install kernel 3.8 instead of this 3.11?
[23:28] <Xabst> i guess my only options are to revert my changes and I uninstalled the GFX drivers and the MATE desktop
[23:32] <Avi31> hya
[23:33] <Psil0Cybin> whats up man
[23:34] <Enekoos> Ben64: any other idea?
[23:35] <Enekoos> now tablet working but if I dont know her /dev/ I  can make .conf
[23:39] <r0000t> 0nyx?
[23:41] <Tylertwo> I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with LXDE and I noticed this process running: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1. It appears to be for Gnome, not LXDE, so would it be ok to terminate it?
[23:42] <pentester> I just installed squid on a home server. I can see that the squid process is allocated more RAM as I browse. Will the pages remain cached if the server reboots?
[23:47] <skinux> Squid is an IDS for 'home users' isn't it?
[23:48] <xatr0z> skinux: more a caching proxy
[23:49] <xatr0z> not really useful at mosts homes i think
[23:49] <xatr0z> browsercaches work faster
[23:53] <rrm> can you guys help me disable the touchpad on my thinkpad but not the pointer?
[23:53] <jorb>  hi folks .. anyone know of a method to create a mock video device that is just a repeat of an X11
[23:53] <jorb> display? like to create a loop-back webcam of the desktop environment?
[23:53] <jorb> i'm looking at webcam studio .. looks a little sketchy
[23:54] <repudiate> How do I create a desktop shortcut for a program, say Chrome.
[23:55] <tree_> My sound keeps crapping out.
[23:55] <tree_> Boo!
[23:55] <xatr0z> repudiate: open the program, and drag the launchericon from the bar to the left onto the desktop
[23:57] <repudiate> xatr0z: Thanks.
[23:57] <rrm> can you guys help me disable the touchpad on my thinkpad but not the pointer?  anyone?
[23:57] <repudiate> xatr0z: I can't do that.
[23:58] <repudiate> xatr0z: Ubuntu doesn't let you drag icons from the launcher.
[23:58] <tree_> can anyone help me fix my sound
[23:58] <tree_> ?
[23:58] <tree_> Pretty please?
[23:58] <Tylertwo> rrm, first type "xinput" into a console
[23:58] <kingnick42> tree_, what is wrong with it?
[23:58] <xatr0z> repudiate: sorry its not from the bar, but from the dash
[23:59] <rrm> done
[23:59] <rrm> Tylertwo: done
[23:59] <tree_> I lose all sound after the computer wakes up from sleeping
[23:59] <repudiate> xatr0z: How do you drag it from there?
[23:59] <Tylertwo> rrm, One of the items listed should be touchpad, enter xinput set-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 0
[23:59] <Tylertwo> rrm, replacing "11" with the number of the touchpad
[23:59] <rrm> Tylertwo: 12 is on mine... yey


[10:38] <elgaton> Hello, can someone set the status of bug #994498 to Triaged, its importance to Low and also target the bug for Precise?
[10:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994498 in kile "Kile crashes when it is closing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994498
[11:02] <smartboyhw> HI!
[12:40] <elgaton> TJ-: thanks for setting the status (sorry for disconnecting before, had to go away suddenly)
[12:41] <TJ-> elgaton: you're welcome
[14:08] <njin> Finally it crashed on strace, but without results...[pid  4085] 16:02:28.541797 <... recvmsg resumed> 0x7f4c51d92ed0, MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4021] 16:02:28.541809 write(7, "\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 8 <unfinished ...>
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4085] 16:02:28.541824 close(4 <unfinished ...>
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4021] 16:02:28.541832 <... write resumed> ) = 8
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4085] 16:02:28.542543 <... close resumed> ) = 0
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4021] 16:02:28.542558 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4085] 16:02:28.542615 write(7, 0x7f4c51d92ff8, 8 <unfinished ...>
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4085] 16:02:30.113919 +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++
[14:08] <njin> [pid  4086] 16:02:30.113961 +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Wow!
[14:09] <bcurtiswx> njin, try using pastebin
[14:09] <bcurtiswx> please
[14:10] <TJ-> njin: What crashed? is there anything in /var/crash/ ?
[14:10] <njin> is again usb-creator-gtk
[14:11] <TJ-> njin: OK. You should install the symbol packages for it and its libraries and run it under gdb debugger then you can secure a backtrace
[14:14] <njin> TJ: there isn't dbg libs for usb-creator, is also a python script, not a binary
[14:14] <njin> try with valgrind
[14:15] <TJ-> njin: So the python debug symbols then
[14:16] <TJ-> njin: http://wiki.python.org/moin/DebuggingWithGdb
[14:20] <njin> TJ, thanks looking
[14:21] <TJ-> njin: in case you don't know: debug symbol archives: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages
[16:01] <green_> hello