[04:27] <Ace2016> see: http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1hv4.png
[04:27] <LjL> anyway just install binutils if you don't quite have it
[04:28] <michaelpo> LjL: ls: /usr/bin/ar: No such file or directory
[04:28] <LjL> alright, install binutils
[04:28] <angasule> Ace2016: it looks like it's missing transparency?
[04:29] <Ace2016> angasule: you'd think so wouldn't you but this is the background image used file from the skin folder http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainiq7.png
[04:29] <angasule> btw, I wouldn't call GIMP a good editor, it's very mean and has a temper :P
[04:29] <Ace2016> what would you call a good editor?
[04:30] <Morbo> Photoshop ;)
[04:30] <ForgeAus> lol
[04:30] <ForgeAus> I don't call that good either
[04:30] <Pooh22> anyone got a clue on how to enable sound for anyone logged in using a NIS account (so not locally configured as user)?
[04:30] <ForgeAus> very non-standard approach
[04:30] <ForgeAus> its kinda become its own standard Ig uess
[04:30] <ForgeAus> but for newbies used to something like microsoft office to learn adobe photoshop... not so easy
[04:30] <angasule> Ace2016: hmm, mplayer is screwy, then? dunno, I loathe mplayer, the interface is even worse than GIMP's
[04:31] <Pooh22> I'm not sure I want to manage the audio group using NIS as well...
[04:31] <Jucato> kmplayer/kplayer?
[04:31] <Ace2016> but mplayer plays everything
[04:31] <Ace2016> kplayer is good, but i want to finish the skin i started
[04:32] <michaelpo> oh.. i found out i have.... libatk1.0-0 installed... but the version says.. 1.11.4-0ubuntu1... is this causing the trouble?
[04:32] <LjL> michaelpo: yes, that's what i said
[04:32] <LjL> the democracyplayer package requires 1.12
[04:32] <LjL> you have 1.11
[04:33] <LjL> *maybe* it will work anyway even with 1.11, and that's why i said "patch the dependency list"
[04:33] <michaelpo> would it be easier if i install 1.12? how do i get 1.12?
[04:33] <LjL> of course, maybe it won't
[04:33] <LjL> michaelpo: you don't, on dapper
[04:33] <michaelpo> 1.12 doesnt run on dapper?
[04:34] <LjL> michaelpo: it's a library, you don't go and change versions of libraries like that
[04:34] <Jucato> !info democracyplayer dapper
[04:34] <ubotu> Package democracyplayer does not exist in dapper
[04:34] <LjL> that's what makes systems broken
[04:34] <Jucato> ah too bad... :(
[04:34] <LjL> can always request a backport
[04:35] <LjL> anyway, just patch up the package's control and see if it works, it's not hard really, get binutils installed and it should mostly work as i said
[04:35] <michaelpo> oic... democracyplayer only on 6.10?
[04:36] <LjL> in the official repositories, yes
[04:36] <LjL> !backports
[04:36] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[04:36] <LjL> you can always request one of these though
[04:37] <michaelpo> request? meaning it may take 1 month to be for democracyplayer on dapper?
[04:37] <LjL> it might just be refused, for that matter
[04:37] <Jucato> that depends on the packager
[04:38] <LjL> you know, of course, that Ubuntu releases aren't *supposed* to get new packages or updated versions of such, except for "best-effort" things such as Backports
[04:39] <michaelpo> ic... thanks.. newbie here... now i think i understand what the gibberish means at https://develop.participatoryculture.org/trac/democracy/ticket/5096
[04:39] <ForgeAus> hmmm my kubuntu's still broken
[04:43] <LjL> michaelpo: upstream (i.e. the people developing and packaging democracyplayer on their site) should probably have specified that the "Ubuntu" package was an Ubuntu *Edgy* package
[04:43] <LjL> anyway, you know now
[04:43] <michaelpo> ljl: thanks for the lesson...
[04:44] <LjL> michaelpo: you have always the option of compiling from source, i suppose, besides patching up and seeing if it works
[04:44] <smoze> how can i set up midi??
[04:44] <LjL> Ubotu, tell smoze about midi | smoze, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:45] <michaelpo> a newbie can compile from source?
[04:45] <smoze> been there done that..... did not work!
[04:45] <michaelpo> sounds complicated....
[04:45] <michaelpo> is it dangerous?
[04:45] <Jucato> LjL: you have that aliased, don't you? :D
[04:45] <LjL> michaelpo: it can be, but not necessarily. though if that package *actually does* require version 1.12 of that library, you won't have much luck compiling either
[04:46] <LjL> michaelpo: compiling is not dangerous. installing a compiled program could be
[04:46] <LjL> Jucato: yessir
[04:46] <michaelpo> ljl: i think i should read linux manual in more detail first... or i should just install 6.10... that is the easiest way....
[04:46] <michaelpo> right?
[04:47] <LjL> michaelpo: if you are comfortable installing (or upgrading) a distribution... yes. note that some people claim Edgy not to be as stable as Dapper, and also Edgy is not supported for as long as Dapper
[04:48] <LjL> michaelpo: anyway do you want to try patching the package up or not? have you got binutils? if you are stuck, i'll help you
[04:49] <LjL> smoze: what part did not work
[04:50] <michaelpo> i'm comfortable in installing edgy.. no problem.. dapper is not really stable? it hung on me a few times... i just have firefox, evolution, gaim, rythmbox running at those times... i had to hard poweroff....
[04:50] <smoze> LjL: getting samples for instance... i followed those instructions but it just didn't work... it also complains about pcm...
[04:51] <LjL> michaelpo: "hung" like in "cannot move the mouse and Ctrl+Alt+F2 doesn't get me to a console"?
[04:51] <michaelpo> ljl: yup... nothing... the screen frozen....
[04:51] <dwidmann> video driver issue? Yeah, probably
[04:51] <LjL> smoze: have you just got freepats, or have you added the deb http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/etch misc/ repository? (i suggest to start with the former)
[04:52] <LjL> michaelpo: could be anything... anyway, i think people complaining about Edgy are more on about less serious but still annoying problems, like broken packages and crashing applications
[04:53] <michaelpo> ljl: i didnt knew about Ctrl+Alt+F2... i didnt try it.. know i know...
[04:53] <LjL> michaelpo: F2 is just a random key. F1-F6 all work and bring you to a different virtual terminal
[04:54] <LjL> michaelpo: F7, by default, brings you back to your X session
[04:54] <michaelpo> ljl: yes... haha... i was a bit panicked just now...
[04:54] <LjL> michaelpo: also, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can often restart X if it's stuck
[04:55] <Dr_willis> and if ya hit alt-ctrl-backspace, alt-ctrl-delete real fast.. you can make the system reboot.. :)
[04:55] <Dr_willis> but some times ya got to time it right.
[04:56] <Dr_willis> or just alt-ctrl delete from the alt-ctrl-F1 f6 consoles..
[04:56] <michaelpo> console is different to terminal?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> colsole is the terminal. :)
[04:56] <michaelpo> is it like different 6 workspaces?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> its just not using X
[04:56] <linux_> hey guys, I have a problem. I can not use apt-get becauce I'm behind a proxy. but what so I have to change in /etc/opt/apget.configure
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Linux is all about Layers and legos. :) Layers of software on top of other layers connected together..
[04:57] <chuen> Hi all. I've installed an Amarok script which works fine until " X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166"
[04:57] <michaelpo> if i hit ctrl-alt-backspace now... it will restart x? how about this gaim? remain the same? or do i have to restart gaim?
[04:57] <chuen> Can anyone explain what that means?
[04:57] <LjL> michaelpo: terms are used a bit interchangeably... however, the "shell" is the program that gives you a prompt and lets you execute command -- a "terminal" is the stuff that the shell (and programs) rely on to input and output characters - a "Linux console" or "Linux virtual terminal" is that text-mode stuff in Alt+Fx
[04:57] <Dr_willis> chuen,  ubuntu/kubuntu has the wacom tablets configured by default.. its not a critical message/warning
[04:57] <LjL> michaelpo, X is your graphical interface, so restarting X means shutting down every GUI program
[04:58] <dwidmann> michaelpo, if you restart X, all of your graphical programs will be closed
[04:58] <chuen> Dr_will: Hi Doc. I remember you sayin that he otherday (to me)
[04:58] <chuen> Dr_willis:  I remember you sayin that he otherday (to me)
[04:58] <michaelpo> ljl: i've got binutils installed...
[04:58] <dwidmann> chuen: probably just from the tablet devices in the xorg.conf, probably.
[04:59] <chuen> Dr_willis: AFAIK, nothing happened afte that error (I mean what *should* have happened, *didn't*)
[04:59] <chuen> dwidmann: I'll run it again and see...
[05:00] <LjL> michaelpo: meaning you already had it?
[05:00] <smoze> LjL: ok, i'll try reinstalling those packges
[05:01] <michaelpo> ljl: meaning i just used synaptic to install it
[05:01] <michaelpo> did the ar thingy... ar it... ls now shows control.tar.gz  data.tar.gz  debian-binary  democracyplayer_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntupcf_i386.deb
[05:01] <LjL> michaelpo: right, now tar xf control.tar.gz
[05:02] <Jucato> -xzf
[05:02] <LjL> Jucato: doesn't make a difference
[05:02] <michaelpo> now ls shows        control         data.tar.gz    democracyplayer_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntupcf_i386.deb  postinst  prerm
[05:02] <michaelpo> control.tar.gz  debian-binary  md5sums                                      postrm
[05:02] <LjL> michaelpo: nano control
[05:02] <Jucato> ok
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: look at the Depends line, and specifically at the libatk part. change 1.12 to 1.11.4
[05:03] <michaelpo> im in nano now...
[05:03] <michaelpo> nano is a text editor?
[05:03] <goodthing> anyone in for helping me configuring wifi?
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: yes
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: you can use kate if you prefer
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: actually, be careful with nano, because as soon as you edit that long Depends line, it will probably split it into two lines, and you don't want that
[05:04] <michaelpo> im new to linux... i still got no preference yet...
[05:04] <LjL> michaelpo: well, kate is GUI, nano is CLI
[05:04] <LjL> michaelpo: anyway the line-split is easily fixed by pressing Backspace at the start of the second line that gets created
[05:05] <michaelpo> the depends line says            Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1), libboost-python1.33.1, libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), $
[05:05] <LjL> yes, make the libatk thing  libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.11.4),
[05:05] <LjL> let me check the other depends too
[05:06] <michaelpo> how about libboost?
[05:06] <LjL> i'll check them all now
[05:06] <michaelpo> libcairo? libfont?
[05:06] <LjL> need to see which versions are in dapper
[05:06] <michaelpo> ljl: are u on dapper as well?
[05:06] <LjL> no i'm on edgy, but it's easy enough to check
[05:06] <LjL> can just use the bot
[05:07] <LjL> ok, libc6 is wrong too, and i doubt the program will work with anything less than 2.4 to be honst
[05:07] <LjL> dapper has 2.3.6
[05:07] <LjL> libcairo2 is 1.0.4
[05:08] <LjL> libfontconfig1 is OK as it is
[05:09] <linopil> sound was already OK but wont satrt on new restart what am I missing ?
[05:09] <linopil> aplay -l OK
[05:10] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'v run the sript again. The full output is here: http://pastebin.com/871308
[05:10] <chuen> Dr_willis: Could it be that there's simply some bug in the script - independent of the device error?
[05:11] <michaelpo> ljl: what dapper has 2.3.6? i dont see dapper
[05:11] <LjL> michaelpo: libc6
[05:11] <LjL> !info libc6 dapper
[05:11] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data. In component main, is required. Version 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2 (dapper), package size 4480 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[05:11] <LjL> !info libc6 edgy
[05:11] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 (edgy), package size 4032 kB, installed size 9992 kB
[05:13] <Dr_willis> chuen,  a bug would be my guess.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> chuen,  you could always edit your xorg.conf and remove the entrys for the tablet and never see those messages again
[05:14] <michaelpo> ljl: when i scroll pass $... there are lots of depends... are they all ok? i just changed libatk, libc, libcairo2
[05:15] <michaelpo> that's all?
[05:15] <chuen> Dr_willis: What should I look for (in xorg.conf)?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> chuen,  the wiki/forums detail  the dozen or so lines to delete.
[05:16] <LjL> michaelpo: oh - no, i overlooked them, thought you'd pasted it all. well, you only need to concern yourself with the ones that specify a version in brackets... however, i'm really starting to think there's a tad too many libraries requiring a specific version
[05:16] <Dr_willis> chuen,  but thats not cusing your problem i am guessing. Its sounds like a badly done script.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> chuen,  be sure to backup your existing xorg.conf first
[05:16] <LjL> michaelpo: you can still try, but i foresee something like a 5% probability of success :) i'd request a backport
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !wacom
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'll go to the Amarok support forum / channel with it.
[05:17] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thanks.
[05:17] <shadowhywind> hay all have a problem. when i boot kubuntu the splashscreen progress bar goes up to about 20-25% and then goes to a text version, followed by fsck at every boot. any ideas
[05:17] <LjL> Dr_willis: so you remembered there was a wiki page about that too?
[05:17] <michaelpo> ljl: are you using democracyplayer as well? is it any good? i read about skype joost.. in a newsletter.. it says democracyplayer can do all the joost can do already....
[05:17] <LjL> shadowhywind: any FAT partitions?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> just cant rember what the wiki is. :) i know enoguh to delete it by hand. heh.
[05:17] <shadowhywind> LijL yes
[05:18] <LjL> michaelpo: no, i'm not using it
[05:18] <LjL> besides, i try to avoid GNOME apps on KDE
[05:18] <LjL> shadowhywind: do you get a "boot sector differences from backup" from fsck?
[05:19] <shadowhywind> no, there are never any errors *unless i shutoff wrong*
[05:19] <shadowhywind> it just says its checking harddrives, and then just continues on with the boot
[05:19] <LjL> shadowhywind: try a manual dosfsck on the (unmounted) FAT partition
[05:19] <michaelpo> ljl: i think i will not continue... since 5% success.... i will just download and install edgy... so i just delete the demo folder?
[05:19] <LjL> shadowhywind: i bet it's just taking a long time to check FAT for some reason. if you don't often write to FAT from linux, you could possibly just remove the check
[05:20] <LjL> michaelpo: guess so
[05:20] <michaelpo> ljl: how to tell if an app is gnome or kde?
[05:20] <shadowhywind> my fat partition is "my life" partition. I use it every day read/write
[05:20] <shadowhywind> finished the dosfsck on it /dev/sda5: 50551 files, 2168417/2473906 clusters
[05:20] <LjL> michaelpo: if it's full of GNOME dependencies, such as the ones you listed, it's a GNOME app
[05:22] <shadowhywind> LijL how would i remove that check/some how make it faster / or have that check not inturpet the progressbar screen
[05:22] <michaelpo> only 2 gnome are mentioned...
[05:22] <michaelpo> ljl: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1), libboost-python1.33.1, libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxine1 (>= 1.1.2-5), libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), python2.4, python (<< 2.5), python-support (>= 0.3.4
[05:23] <ady33> Can someone help re installing packages. I do not seem to have much selection with add remove programs. A friend tried talking me through adept manager but it did not show software packages listed that he expected.. Any ideas please?
[05:23] <michaelpo> ljl: what does this mean? Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntupcf    does it hints ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu?
[05:23] <LjL> GTK is the toolkit that GNOME uses, pango is GNOME stuff, cairo idem, and i was sure i'd seen gnome-python-support myself
[05:23] <LjL> it doesn't hint to anything
[05:24] <LjL> michaelpo, a package that's purely a KDE package will not have *any* GNOME dependencies, and vice versa
[05:24] <LjL> if a package depends on GTK, it's not a KDE app. if a package depends on Qt, it's not a GTK app
[05:24] <LjL> !gui
[05:24] <ubotu> The graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)
[05:26] <michaelpo> !toolkits
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toolkits - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <shadowhywind> LijL any other ideas?
[05:27] <|Shadow|> just out of intrest, how many files does kubuntu need to download roughly?
[05:28] <|Shadow|> im on file 170 now *yawn* lol
[05:28] <michaelpo> ljl: u must be very experienced in linux... u know which xxx is gnome and which is kde....
[05:28] <Narada> hi; how to change computer hostname
[05:28] <Narada> in kde
[05:28] <Narada> or command line
[05:29] <Rubiko> is there somewhere a detailed explanation for installing wlan devices (usb) on kubuntu? I just downloaded ndiswrapper but no idea what to do with it
[05:29] <michaelpo> the depends refers to toolkits? lib are tookits?
[05:29] <Narada> all the instructions online seem to be for gnome
[05:29] <Rubiko> sorry i'm a linux newbie, just started with it :)
[05:29] <stdin> !hostname | Narada
[05:29] <ubotu> Narada: Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly
[05:29] <michaelpo> ljl: the "depends" refers to toolkits? lib are tookits?
[05:29] <LjL> shadowhywind: i have several ideas, none of which optimal
[05:29] <shadowhywind> LijL oh?
[05:29] <stdin> !wifi | Rubiko
[05:29] <ubotu> Rubiko: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:29] <LjL> shadowhywind: you can increase the usplash timeout, for starters. i remember it can be done, let me check how
[05:30] <Narada> stdin: awesome
[05:30] <Rubiko> thanks ubotu
[05:30] <stdin> Narada: np :)
[05:30] <michaelpo> !ip
[05:30] <LjL> michaelpo, "Depends" refers to any other package that a given package depends upon in order to work. these are often libraries and possibly graphics toolkits, but can be anything
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <|Shadow|> uhh, i need to chooce gdm or kdm
[05:30] <|Shadow|> which should i choose?
[05:30] <michaelpo> !if
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about if - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <LjL> michaelpo: libraries are just libraries, i.e. collections of code that other programs can take advantage of
[05:30] <michaelpo> !ipconfig
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <stdin> |Shadow|: donsen't really matter, they both do the same job, just look different
[05:31] <LjL> !msg the bot
[05:31] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:31] <|Shadow|> ah ok, i'll google out some pics.
[05:31] <michaelpo> how do i check my ipconfig?
[05:31] <Narada> stdin: do i have to reboot after doing those cmd line changes or is there something i can type to apply it
[05:31] <stdin> michaelpo: ifconfig
[05:31] <michaelpo> !ifconfig
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <LjL> there is not a factoid about that
[05:32] <stdin> Narada: a reboot is usually reccommended after you change the hostname. yes
[05:32] <michaelpo> what command to check if my device are detected and working properly?
[05:32] <Narada> stdin: kk
[05:32] <ForgeAus> hey stdin!
[05:33] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu's still broken
[05:33] <stdin> michaelpo: like I said, ifconfig in the condole, or go to System Settings > Network Settings
[05:33] <michaelpo> or is there a app to check my devices...
[05:33] <stdin> ForgeAus: hey :)
[05:33] <LjL> shadowhywind: you could start with  sudo sed -i.backup "s/TIMEOUT 15/TIMEOUT 30/" /etc/init.d/usplash"
[05:33] <LjL> shadowhywind: that will increase the timeout from 15 to 30 seconds
[05:33] <genii> How to auto-add a default user when installing by netboot? This is still frustrating me.
[05:33] <ForgeAus> autoadd default user? hmmm I have no idea!
[05:33] <shadowhywind> ok will try that in a moment
[05:34] <ForgeAus> genii perhaps you have to script it?
[05:34] <LjL> shadowhywind: to remove the fsck entirely, edit /etc/fstab and change the last number on the FAT partition line to 0, i believe
[05:34] <alexi> hi there
[05:34] <ForgeAus> hey alexi :)
[05:34] <alexi> who here has a pci wifi card that works easily with kubuntu
[05:34] <alexi> im going to go buy one now
[05:34] <ForgeAus> I don't have one I got a wireless router
[05:34] <ForgeAus> it works as my access point
[05:34] <ForgeAus> (but I'm wired to it)
[05:35] <ForgeAus> at least my box is
[05:35] <ForgeAus> not me personally rofl
[05:35] <LjL> alexi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[05:35] <ForgeAus> although sometimes it seems that way :) hehe
[05:35] <alexi> nod
[05:35] <michaelpo> alexi: i'm using cisco aironet 350 on ubuntu....
[05:35] <genii> ForgeAus There seems to be a method in the pressed file but it doesn't work. Everything on auto would be preferable. At the end of the preseed file there is a "late command" which is a chroot to the target and execute some stuff but it doesn't seem to like that either.
[05:35] <alexi> hrm
[05:35] <michaelpo> it works ok...
[05:35] <genii> pressed=preseed file
[05:36] <ForgeAus> genii I don't really know, I'm mostly a newbie with linux still
[05:36] <ForgeAus> I mean I know bits and peices but this is something I have VERY little idea about
[05:36] <michaelpo> stdin: yes ifconfig in console... thanks.. how do i check if my devices are detected and working properly?
[05:37] <genii> ForgeAus I'm certain someone somewhere knows LOL Just extremely frustrating right now
[05:37] <stdin> michaelpo: all devices or just network ones ?
[05:37] <ForgeAus> is there a way to see text messages on the screen during a kubuntu edgy startup instead of the black screen with the blue bar?
[05:37] <genii> Anyone seen unix_infidel ? He may know
[05:38] <ForgeAus> or to have a boot log? to examine at least where the bootup process failed?
[05:39] <distro-tester> hello
[05:39] <michaelpo> stdin: i want to return this cisco aironet 350 b to my friend, and loan cisco aironet abg, this abg didnt work properly yet... i think i want to download edgy, and do a command to check if this cisco abg works or not...
[05:39] <stdin> ForgeAus: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove "splash" and "quiet" from the boot options
[05:39] <michaelpo> stdin: all devices?
[05:39] <genii> ForgeAus Well, during the auto-install all the output is spewed to console 4. so I can see when stuff is giving probns. but it just seems to ignore the values given in the preseed file. so maybe they are valid but need to be insserted at a specific stage in the install or something.
[05:40] <michaelpo> stdin: i may want to check my ati video, soundcard, etc.. as well...
[05:40] <|Shadow|> uhh i just installed kubuntu and it pretty much looks the same, except for the start up comes up as kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[05:40] <|Shadow|> isn't the entire gui supposed to change?
[05:40] <LjL> |Shadow|: when you say you "installed kubuntu", it looks like you meant you just installed the kubuntu-desktop package?
[05:41] <|Shadow|> yea
[05:41] <stdin> michaelpo: you can use the KInfoCenter or there is a commandline app called "lshw" too
[05:41] <|Shadow|> i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <Dr_willis> you dident tell it to login to kde then if you are still using gnome for the desktop
[05:41] <LjL> |Shadow|: then, at your login screen, you need to click Options, and select a KDE session rather than a GNOME session
[05:41] <genii> Shadow You need to change the default session type in the login screen to get a different desktop than you had before
[05:41] <|Shadow|> ah, thanks :)
[05:41] <LjL> if you also want to use the KDE login screen (KDM) rather than the GNOME one (GDM), you'll need to do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" |Shadow|
[05:41] <genii> What LjL said :)
[05:42] <ForgeAus> trying something... maybe its just X that failed from an X-lock?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> if I delete the lock it should boot up?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> or will that break X?
[05:42] <|Shadow|> ok i made it default
[05:42] <|Shadow|> *logs in*
[05:42] <genii> ForgeAus You can delete the lock file yeah.
[05:42] <ForgeAus> if thats all it is i'll be anoyed!
[05:42] <|Shadow|> lol this looks pretty sweet :)
[05:42] <ForgeAus> too easy a fix!
[05:42] <ForgeAus> brb
[05:43] <ForgeAus> resetting
[05:43] <genii> ForgeAus basically the lockfile is to prevent multiple instances of the same app and so on
[05:43] <Zerb_Riss> does anyone know how to customize systemtray_panelappletrc ?
[05:44] <|Shadow|> hmm, im trying to switch on my secondary screen, why is apply blanked out?
[05:44] <michaelpo> stdin: lshw say i should be a superuser... do i su lshw?
[05:44] <LjL> sudo lshw michaelpo
[05:44] <LjL> su alone won't work on a normal Ubuntu installation
[05:44] <dwidmann> Hmm, I just got a friend of mine to switch to Linux, but he's having trouble with his keyboard, turns out his `@` and `"` keys have switched around, anyone know a fix?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> You moved his keys dident you dwidmann ...
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <michaelpo> lshw say i have usb0, usb1, usb2, but i only have 2 usb ports... usb2 is usb2.0 how do i access this port?
[05:45] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis, he lives about 4000 miles away (internet friend? sure why not)
[05:45] <dwidmann> But of course, I managed to switch the keys anyway ;)
[05:46] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  he proberly needs to set his keyboard layout. but ive never had to mess with that.
[05:46] <dwidmann> That's what I said, seems he figured it out.
[05:46] <michaelpo> ljl: ah.. lshw is listhardware
[05:46] <|Shadow|> Im in the Monitor & Display GUI, i logged into administrator mode and ticked the second screen box (because i have a dual head card, with 2 screens) but the apply button is switched off
[05:46] <michaelpo> what is ifconfig? in winxp is ipconfig
[05:46] <|Shadow|> i cant click apply, reset, admin mode, defaults or help
[05:46] <dwidmann> !flash > dwidmann
[05:47] <shadowhywind> Lijl looks like the timeout is not the problem, i set it to 160 and still goes
[05:47] <LjL> michaelpo: it surely is
[05:47] <|Shadow|> can anyone help me with this?
[05:47] <Zerb_Riss> does anyone know how to customize systemtray_panelappletrc ? <-- I'm trying to make the icons in the System Tray smaller
[05:47] <michaelpo> ljl: lshw say i have usb0, usb1, usb2, but i only have 2 usb ports... usb2 is usb2.0 how do i access this superfast usb2.0 port?
[05:48] <LjL> shadowhywind: well, i suppose you can positively say that you *have* changed it? my sed command might have been wrong, and it won't work after the first try if you don't change the first number of course
[05:48] <LjL> shadowhywind: so what does "grep TIMEOUT /etc/init.d/usplash" say right now
[05:48] <shadowhywind> i never actraully ran your command, i went into /etc/init.d/usplash and changed the TIMEOUT mannually
[05:49] <LjL> shadowhywind: alrightie
[05:50] <LjL> shadowhywind: are you running dapper or edgy anyway?
[05:50] <michaelpo> ljl: that's why winxp said i should connect to usb2.0 to get faster speed... but now i have deleted winxp and gone ubuntu...
[05:50] <shadowhywind> edgy
[05:50] <|Shadow|> can anyone even hear me?
[05:50] <shadowhywind> no JShadowj i can't hear you.. i can read you through *hehe*
[05:51] <|Shadow|> lol :P
[05:51] <LjL> |Shadow|, yes, but not everybody has the luck of having two monitors. have you checked out this anyway?
[05:51] <LjL> !dualhead
[05:51] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[05:51] <shadowhywind> Lijl this has been a problem sense dapper i believe for me
[05:51] <|Shadow|> yea i've read that, and followed the tutorial back when i was running ubuntu
[05:51] <|Shadow|> along with about 8 other tutorials
[05:51] <|Shadow|> i loaded kubunutu because i was told it had a GUI for setting up dual monitors which i can see
[05:51] <|Shadow|> but it won't let me click apply :(
[05:52] <shadowhywind> is there an adminstator button
[05:52] <LjL> shadowhywind: maybe it's not really fsck that's being the problem, but something that's run after that, but you only see the fsck output? not sure. perhaps you can try installing the "bootchart" package, that will create a PNG image in /var/log/somewhere with a chart of your boot process
[05:52] <|Shadow|> yes there is, if i click it and login all the buttons blank out
[05:52] <shadowhywind> Lijl Is there also a boot log somewhere?
[05:53] <stdin> shadowhywind: /var/log/boot normally
[05:53] <ubuntu> bacl
[05:53] <ubuntu> grrr back
[05:53] <LjL> and messages and syslog and stuff for more accurate info too
[05:53] <ForgeAus> someone was saying somethinga bout X-lock files
[05:53] <|Shadow|> and at the top it says "Changes in this section requires root access." "Click the "Administrator Mode" Button to allow modifications"
[05:53] <LjL> and /var/log/fsck/
[05:53] <|Shadow|> what did i do wrong? :(
[05:54] <LjL> |Shadow|: have you unlocked the root account by any chance?
[05:54] <ForgeAus> how do I see whats happening behind the kubuntu boot screen behind the blue bar?
[05:54] <shadowhywind> the only thing that i can see that might be a problem is wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[05:54] <|Shadow|> LjL im really new to linux, i don't know what that is so i assume i havn't
[05:54] <|Shadow|> how do i unlock it?
[05:54] <LjL> ForgeAus: alt+f2 or alt+f1 or something. the answer is, if you're using Edgy, not much anyway. the boot happens in quiet mode
[05:55] <LjL> |Shadow|: you don't. i was asking because that might have been the culprit, if you had
[05:55] <ForgeAus> I can change that in grub easy enough
[05:55] <ForgeAus> at least that will tell me how far I get right?
[05:55] <|Shadow|> ah ok
[05:55] <LjL> ForgeAus: it should. remove "quiet" and "splash" from the kernel command line
[05:55] <ForgeAus> thanx
[05:56] <LjL> ForgeAus: not that you can do it temporarily, without changing menu.lst, by just hitting "e" at the grub menu
[05:56] <ForgeAus> I might actually have an error to tacke that way
[05:56] <ForgeAus> yeah thats what I was going to do.. use the e for edit
[05:56] <ForgeAus> I don't want it to STAY that way
[05:57] <shadowhywind> anyone know where dhcp settings are locaed?
[05:57] <shadowhywind> located*
[05:57] <LjL> shadowhywind: what kind of dhcp settings?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> before I do I better check theres no X-Lock back again
[05:57] <LjL> the fact that you *are* using DHCP is decided in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:57] <|Shadow|> ah i think its because my second monitor wasn't set to plug and play, i set it and then apply showed up and told me i had to restart :)
[05:57] <shadowhywind> in my boot file, i have Starting DHCP server: dhcpd failed to start
[05:58] <stdin> shadowhywind: it'll be in /etc/dhcp3/ then
[05:58] <LjL> shadowhywind, the "dhcpd" command is normally not even installed
[05:58] <LjL> that's a dhcp *server* for all i know
[05:58] <LjL> it's probably a left-over from some time when you had it installed
[05:58] <LjL> the client is dhclient, and i'm pretty sure that's installed
[05:59] <ForgeAus> whats an = file?
[05:59] <ForgeAus> in mc
[05:59] <ForgeAus> (midnight commander)
[05:59] <knapp> Can someone point me to a guide on how to install FFMPEG w/ all libraries or encoders/decorders etc?
[05:59] <ForgeAus> its got 0 bytes
[05:59] <ForgeAus> so its some kinda link or something
[05:59] <Dr_willis> !ffmpeg
[05:59] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 175 kB, installed size 612 kB
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. proberly a more detailed wiki page as well.
[06:00] <michaelpo> i'm on compaq 2819ap laptop, mobile pentium 4 Northwood, 2ghz, L1=8kb, L2=512kb. I have a spare celeron Prescott, 2.40GHz , L1=16kb, L2=256kb. is the celeron faster than p4? should i swap them?
[06:00] <knapp> O_o
[06:00] <LjL> michaelpo: doubt it
[06:00] <LjL> you can give me either of them, though
[06:01] <LjL> i won't be offended if it's just the celeron
[06:01] <LameBMX> not to mention a northwood board dont necessarily support a prescott cpu
[06:01] <michaelpo> ljl, where are you? i'm in miri, malaysia..
[06:01] <LjL> i'm in italy... but i was just kidding michaelpo :)
[06:02] <Rubiko> how to run wlan assistant with sudo? tried nearly everything now and I've also read the help
[06:02] <Rubiko> like.. sudo wlassistant
[06:02] <LjL> i'm running a celeron 1700Mhz
[06:02] <Rubiko> or sudo -i wlassistant
[06:02] <michaelpo> ljl: u mean, the p4 is still faster than celeron, even though the celeron have a faster clock and bigger L1?
[06:02] <LameBMX> rubiko gksudo wlanassistant ?
[06:02] <Lynoure> kdesu wlanassistant   would be best, prolly
[06:02] <stdin> LameBMX: not gksu if they are in kde
[06:02] <Dr_willis> for a X application with a gui. you sould want to use gksudo, or the kde equilivent
[06:02] <ForgeAus> is everything in the /tmp directory safe to delete?
[06:03] <LjL> michaelpo: i'd be tempted to say so. it's not like i could swear on it, though
[06:03] <LameBMX> errr whats the kde root thing
[06:03] <Lynoure> LameBMX: kdesu
[06:03] <LjL> Dr_willis: that is kdesu
[06:03] <LameBMX> ty stdin that was a slip
[06:03] <Rubiko> oki, thank you I try that both commands
[06:03] <LameBMX> kdesu ... gotta remember that one myself ..
[06:03] <stdin> LameBMX: heh, I do that all the time on the ubuntu channel :P
[06:03] <michaelpo> ljl: lamebmx: ok.. i will leave the celeron in the desktop box....
[06:04] <LameBMX> yea i just fixed xchat to auto goto kubuntu instead of ubuntu ...
[06:04] <Lynoure> LameBMX: As long as you remember it starts with kd, tab complete can refresh you about the rest :)
[06:04] <LameBMX> tru tru Lynoure
[06:04] <LameBMX> like the rest of life ... if you get a good start you can probably finish it easy enough
[06:05] <alcalde> hola
[06:10] <knapp> Dr_willis do you know where I can find a list of all the "--enable-XXX" options?
[06:10] <knapp> for ffmpeg
[06:10] <Dr_willis> knapp,  ffmpeg homepage/docs would be my guess
[06:10] <Dr_willis> I do recall someone in  this ochannel or #ubuntu had some prebuild ffmpeg binaries with extra features
[06:11] <shadowhywind> anyone know where dhcpd is, aka how to remove it, if it is not required
[06:12] <genii> !dhcp3-client
[06:12] <ubotu> dhcp3-client: DHCP Client. In component main, is important. Version 3.0.4-6ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 198 kB, installed size 628 kB
[06:12] <Dr_willis> find the dhcpd package with the package manager and remove it.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> but ive rarely heard of people needing to remove it.
[06:12] <michaelpo> ljl: thanks for the ar of democracy player... and sudo
[06:12] <genii> The server is same name
[06:12] <genii> (same name convention)
[06:13] <shadowhywind> well trying to figure out why its failing to start.. thoguht i would see if i could remove/reinstall but there is no package
[06:14] <michaelpo> and Ctrl+Alt+F2
[06:14] <genii> shadowhywind: If you have 2 nic cards and dhcp server assigned to one, make sure that you have some eth1 line in /etc/iftab file with the mac address there. Otherwise it will fail a lot
[06:14] <michaelpo> stdin: thanks for ifconfig and lshw....
[06:15] <stdin> michaelpo: you're welcome :)
[06:15] <shadowhywind> genii theres only one card in the file, only one card in the notebook
[06:16] <michaelpo> gtg to bed...  good night
[06:16] <stdin> good night
[06:17] <fyrmedic> Anyone know of a package that does a good job converting pdf to doc while maintaining formatting?
[06:18] <hyper_ch> hiho, is this normal, that all swap memory is cached?
[06:18] <hyper_ch> Mem:   1034648k total,   754804k used,   279844k free,    22252k buffers
[06:18] <hyper_ch> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   350932k cached
[06:18] <genii> shadowhywind: So you are trying to use this machine as a box to assign numbers to a bunch of machines connected to it? Or trying to GET a number for this machine from a dhcp server?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> hyper_ch,  how did you get that data?
[06:19] <sorush20> hi I keep getting the message conversation with su failed..
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hyper_ch,  my 'free' command has the cached line on the MEM: line..
[06:19] <shadowhywind> neather, i am trying to get my usplash not to quit. and i think the issue is due to dhcpd failing on boot
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Dr_willis: using "top"
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hyper_ch,  you are miss-reading what its saying - is my guess try the 'free' command
[06:19] <hyper_ch>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Mem:       1034648     792768     241880          0      23696     362340
[06:19] <hyper_ch> -/+ buffers/cache:     406732     627916
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Swap:            0          0          0
[06:19] <stdin> hyper_ch: you don't seem to even have a swap
[06:20] <waylandbill> fyrmedic: I know people wished openoffice would do that, although I've never needed to go in that direction. usually it's doc->pdf.
[06:20] <shadowhywind> and i think my problem is now Can't open lease database /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases: No such file or directory
[06:20] <hyper_ch> stdin: I assigned 3gb as swap
[06:20] <Dr_willis> 3gb for swap... egads...
[06:20] <stdin> hyper_ch: is it assigned in fstab ?
[06:20] <ForgeAus> fixed
[06:20] <hyper_ch> stdin: it shows in gparted
[06:20] <ForgeAus> and I know what the problem was now
[06:21] <ForgeAus> ro vs rw
[06:21] <genii> shadowhywind: OK, so you don't need the server part. Do a:  sudo apt-get remove dhcp3-server
[06:21] <ForgeAus> not sure why but something in my menu.lst made my filesystem ro isntead of rw
[06:21] <Rubiko> ok.. another question, any chance I can run wireless lan internet? ndiswrapper doesnt seem to support my usb device
[06:21] <ForgeAus> thats all it was!
[06:21] <stdin> hyper_ch: don't matter, you have to tell the system to use it
[06:21] <Dr_willis> showing in parted - does not mean the fstab is correct.
[06:21] <hyper_ch> Dr_willis:
[06:21] <hyper_ch> # /dev/hda5
[06:21] <hyper_ch> UUID=60fffa79-e257-4550-b38d-4992303dd765 none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:21] <genii> shadowhywind: But you WILL need the client part. So to make sure it's still there do: sudo apt-get install dhcp3-client
[06:22] <stdin> hyper_ch: what dose "cat /proc/swaps" show ?
[06:22] <shadowhywind> genii the server is not installed
[06:22] <hyper_ch> stdin: nothing is returned
[06:22] <genii> shadowhywind: OK, thats fine
[06:22] <stdin> hyper_ch: my guess is that the UUID is wrong
[06:23] <hyper_ch> !uuid
[06:23] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:23] <shadowhywind> genii so now what? any ideas?
[06:23] <stdin> hyper_ch: "sudo vol_id -u /dev/hda5" will show it
[06:23] <hyper_ch> blkid did also show it
[06:23] <hyper_ch> (I think)
[06:24] <stdin> hyper_ch: yeah, that will too
[06:24] <hyper_ch> stdin: you were right... there is a wrong UUID
[06:24] <hyper_ch> but how did that happen... strange
[06:24] <shadowhywind> genii the only dhcp packages that i have installed is, dhcdbd, dhcp, dhcp-client, dhcp-helper, dhcp3-client, dhcp3-common, dhcpcd
[06:24] <ForgeAus> so my kubuntu was working all along!
[06:24] <ForgeAus> just under a read only filesystem!
[06:25] <ForgeAus> well not completely fine
[06:25] <stdin> hyper_ch: not sure, but it happened to me once, never figured out why
[06:25] <hyper_ch> stdin: how can I mount it now as swap?
[06:25] <hyper_ch> (I altered fstab)
[06:25] <stdin> hyper_ch: sudo swapon /dev/hda5 (if you use hda5 as swap)
[06:25] <hyper_ch> stdin: maybe that happened when I installed feisty for testing also using the same partition as swap
[06:26] <|Shadow|> hmm, i downloaded my ati drivers for my graphics card
[06:26] <XVampireX> What is a decent window decoration for KDE? :P
[06:26] <|Shadow|> and when i click on it it opens it in edit?
[06:26] <stdin> hyper_ch: yeah, if it was reformatted, that could change the uuid
[06:26] <|Shadow|> i don't wanna edit it i wanna run it :S
[06:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: yeppa, that worked fine :)
[06:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: I didn't reformat it (I think)
[06:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: anyway, it works now :) thx :)
[06:26] <shadowhywind> anyone know waht dhcdbd is?
[06:26] <stdin> hyper_ch: the installer usually does
[06:27] <hyper_ch> hmmm, why do I need swap.... the system run fine for about 2 weeks now without swap I guess
[06:27] <ionny> ciao a tutti
[06:28] <stdin> hyper_ch: I only have a 1GB swap, I hardy ever use it, but it's just in case
[06:28] <hyper_ch> stdin: how much ram have you got?
[06:28] <ionny> qualkuno mi puo aiutare
[06:28] <stdin> |Shadow|: 1) there are ATI drivers already packaged by ubuntu 2) you need to run it in konsole
[06:29] <stdin> hyper_ch: 1.5GB  (now)
[06:29] <hyper_ch> !it | jonny
[06:29] <ubotu> jonny: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:29] <|Shadow|> stdin but the gui thing for enableing dual monitors doesn't work
[06:29] <|Shadow|> so i assume it wants drivers
[06:29] <|Shadow|> and, how do i run it in konsole?
[06:29] <hyper_ch> stdin: going to get a new computer soon and getting probably 4gb
[06:29] <stdin> |Shadow|: normally like "sudo ./FileName"
[06:30] <dwidmann> knapp: ./configure --help (yes, I know, I'm late)
[06:30] <|Shadow|> thanks :)
[06:30] <stdin> hyper_ch: before I added a 1GB stick, it was only 256MB, I used to use the swap all the time :P
[06:30] <knapp> dwidmann I found that, thanks :)
[06:31] <hyper_ch> stdin: anyway, thx for the help... my computer just acted totally weird before... still don't know what it was
[06:32] <stdin> hyper_ch: heh, no problem, just jumped out at me when I saw "Swap:   0k total" :P
[06:32] <hyper_ch> well, I was just confused because there also was "cached" more than 3gb
[06:33] <stdin> afaik the cache is never in swap anyway
[06:33] <Zapper> How can I enable the terminal split in konqueror? It doesn't appear in the normal location with kubuntu.
[06:35] <hyper_ch> stdin: what is then cache?
[06:36] <shadowhywind> ok i am <    > that far away from solving all my problems. i installed the dhcp3-server, and purged it. reboot. No dhcpd problems
[06:36] <shadowhywind> so thanks genni, i think or who ever that was, for helping me with that..
[06:36] <shadowhywind> i now have Starting virtual private network daemon: client(FAILED)
[06:37] <stdin> hyper_ch: it's whn commonly accessed files are stored in the ram, to save time accessing the disk over and over, there is a more advance description here http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[06:39] <ForgeAus> I don't seem to be able to run adept
[06:39] <ForgeAus> the updater at least
[06:39] <Zapper> Is the terminal split an additional package?
[06:39] <LjL> then don't, you'll save yourself some trouble ;)
[06:39] <dog> salut, madames et mesieux
[06:39] <BluesKaj> looking for a decent graphics card that runs well with 3D accel, DRI, and beryl on (k)ubuntu...any suggestions ?
[06:40] <hyper_ch> stdin: oh ok :) thx
[06:40] <dog> i woul like to know how can i do a remote login
[06:40] <stdin> !vnc | dog
[06:40] <ubotu> dog: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:41] <kosta2> !de
[06:41] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:41] <dog> ubotu: with vnc i can do the login of my kubuntu from another pc
[06:41] <dog> ?
[06:41] <stdin> dog: yes, or for just remote termanal you can use ssh
[06:41] <dwidmann> BluesKaj, I've had good luck with Nvidia cards, so long as it's a GeForce 6xxx or newer it should run beryl pretty smoothly
[06:42] <dog> stdin: i want to have two pc with only a screen
[06:43] <dog> but when i start the pc without the screen, i cannot see what happen
[06:43] <stdin> dog: both will work then, for just a text console use ssh, but for graphical login, use vnc
[06:43] <dog> ok
[06:43] <Zapper> dog, look into synergy.
[06:43] <dog> thanks a lot
[06:43] <dog> synergy?
[06:43] <Zapper> http://synergy.sourceforge.net -- it's pretty much a virtual KVM
[06:43] <BluesKaj> GeForce6xxx eh , dwidmann ...I'm running an onboard ATI with the binary driver for DIR, but it won't do eye candy like compiz/beryl
[06:43] <dog> thank you zapper
[06:44] <genii> bleh last night's power surge has messed up my connection somehow, keep losing sync today
[06:44] <Zapper> dog, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
[06:44] <dog> i have to see the first or the second?
[06:44] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: well, something along the lines of what I recommended would :)
[06:45] <BluesKaj> ok thx dwidmann , that's what i wanted to hear :)
[06:45] <Zapper> Second dog, my mistake, the first link was incorrect.
[06:45] <dog> thank you zapper
[06:45] <BluesKaj> will do an ebay search
[06:45] <dog> i'm coming to see
[06:46] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: something like a 6600gt or something would be good and pretty cheap
[06:46] <dog> see you
[06:46] <dog> byebye
[06:47] <elyon225> Is there any way to change the way "Lock Session" is handled?  Right now, when I lock my session, after someone else has logged in and then out again, it shows my screen saver and asks for my password.  I would like it instead to go back to the login screen to start a new session.
[06:47] <Zapper> So how does one enable the (which I presumed was a core element of konqueror) split terminal window in konqueror?
[06:49] <jpiccolo> if i need an enviroment variable everytime i start does that go in .bashrc ?
[06:49] <LjL> jpiccolo: probably .bash_profile may be better
[06:50] <jpiccolo> ok, just put in the statement
[06:50] <jpiccolo> like export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/mozilla
[06:51] <LjL> yes
[06:51] <jpiccolo> k, thanks
[06:51] <LjL> i'm not entirely sure whether .bashrc or .bash_profile is the best place though
[06:51] <LjL> i always mix them up
[06:51] <LjL> it probably won't make a practical difference to be honest
[06:58] <mefisto> need some serious help with aMule
[06:59] <mefisto> somebody can give me a hand?
[07:01] <mefisto> ~___~
[07:01] <mefisto> seems not
[07:01] <LjL> !helpme
[07:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:01] <genii> Perhaps state in more detail what help is needed
[07:01] <elyon225> mefisto: What is the problem you're having?
[07:01] <elyon225> Is there any way to change the way "Lock Session" is handled?  Right now, when I lock my session, after someone else has logged in and then out again, it shows my screen saver and asks for my password.  I would like it instead to go back to the login screen to start a new session.
[07:02] <mefisto> elyon225: whenever I execute aMule it doesn't open anymore
[07:02] <mefisto> and I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling again via adept
[07:02] <elyon225> mefisto: Have you tried running it in a terminal to see if there are any errors?
[07:02] <Tm_T> elyon225: "lock and start new session" is what you need.
[07:03] <elyon225> Tm_T: I've done that... that will bring ME back to the login screen.  But when others log out, they get my password prompt.
[07:03] <Tm_T> Hmm, true.
[07:04] <LjL> elyon225: doesn't seem to be the case for me
[07:04] <Hurizen> Hi all
[07:04] <LjL> though i've already got another user logged in, let me try that again
[07:05] <mefisto> elyon
[07:05] <Hurizen> Someone can help me with screensaver problem?
[07:05] <mefisto> it says something about a mulelock file
[07:06] <elyon225> mefisto: What exactly does it say?
[07:06] <elyon225> Hurizen: What is the problem?
[07:06] <mefisto> There seems to be an instance already running... if not the case you may have to remove /.Amule/mulelock
[07:06] <mefisto> i did delete it but that doesn't solves it, and there aren't any instances of amule running
[07:07] <LjL> elyon225: for that matter, now it dumped me to usplash...
[07:07] <elyon225> mefisto: And have you tried to remove that file?
[07:07] <mefisto> I did
[07:07] <elyon225> mefisto:  sudo rm /.Amule/mulelock
[07:07] <Hurizen> Thanks elyon.. I've set the screensaver (clock screensaver) but when it starts (after 5 minutes) it only shows black screen with a white X
[07:07] <Hurizen> but... If I lock the screen it show the right screensaver
[07:08] <mefisto> there's anywa to restore a program via konsole?
[07:08] <LjL> "restore"?
[07:08] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: ping?
[07:08] <elyon225> mefisto: You could always try removing aMule... then removing the entire /,Amule/ directory.  Reinstall and try that.
[07:08] <elyon225> LjL: Yeah, I would imagine it should be possible...
[07:08] <mefisto> gonna try that elyon
[07:09] <elyon225> LjL: It's kind of silly to have another user get caught in that, you know?
[07:09] <incorrect> does anyone here use teambuilder?
[07:10] <Hurizen> Any Suggestion??
[07:10] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I'm here
[07:12] <wilman> how to check my inktlevel of my printer in linux?
[07:13] <elyon225> wilman: That depends on your printer's software (which usually isn't available for linux).  THere may be an OSS app that can do it, but I doubt it.
[07:13] <Hurizen> Elyon any suggest for me? =(
[07:14] <elyon225> Hurizen: Sadly, I'm pretty new to Linux myself.  And that sounds like a video driver problem... not sure.
[07:14] <elyon225> Hurizen: What card do you have?
[07:14] <Hurizen> Nvidia
[07:14] <Hurizen> The screensaver works
[07:14] <elyon225> Hurizen: And you have the proper drivers installed?
[07:15] <Hurizen> Yes
[07:15] <elyon225> Hurizen: Yeah... I know it does... hmm.  Does it work when you clikc the "Test" button?
[07:15] <Hurizen> Yes it works
[07:15] <Hurizen> also if i lock the windows
[07:15] <Hurizen> sorry
[07:15] <Hurizen> Lock the desktop
[07:15] <elyon225> Hurizen: So the only time it doesn't is when it starts automatically?
[07:16] <Hurizen> Ecxatly
[07:16] <Hurizen> It shows a white X instead of the clock
[07:16] <elyon225> Hurizen: And the "white X" ... is it a mouse cursor?  Meaning, can you move it with the mouse?
[07:16] <LjL> elyon225: can't find anything relevant, and the actual behavior here on terminating a second session seems to be remarkably randomish
[07:16] <Hurizen> Nono
[07:16] <Hurizen> Is a big white X
[07:16] <elyon225> LjL: I've noticed a lot of randomness in Linux... never the same experience twice :)
[07:17] <mefisto> elyon
[07:17] <elyon225> mefisto: How'd that work?
[07:17] <mefisto> i just restored aMule
[07:17] <mefisto> i did delete all the folders and files
[07:17] <mefisto> and reinstaled
[07:17] <Hurizen> Seems like I have 2 screensavers manager installed or so...
[07:17] <mefisto> now it works... thanks a lot
[07:17] <voicu> can anyone explain me how does guidedog know which interface to route to?
[07:17] <elyon225> mefisto: Oh, good.  My pleasure.
[07:17] <elyon225> Hurizen: What do you mean by 2 managers?
[07:17] <voicu> i cannot find anything that configures that and i it doesn't work
[07:18] <voicu> *and it doesn't work
[07:18] <Hurizen> One with the clock (That doesn't) work... and one with this mysterious X screensaver
[07:18] <Hurizen> but... It seems... not sure about that
[07:18] <elyon225> !guidedog
[07:18] <ubotu> guidedog: NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 122 kB, installed size 440 kB
[07:19] <elyon225> hmm
[07:19] <elyon225> voicu: Never heard of it, bud... sorry.
[07:19] <knapp> When I try to rip a cd using KAudioCreator is complains "cannot place file, unable to make directories"
[07:19] <elyon225> knapp: Where is it configured to write the ripped files to?
[07:20] <Hurizen> Knapp try with kdesu KAudioCreator
[07:20] <knapp> ~/knapp/documents/audio
[07:20] <knapp> (my home folder)
[07:20] <elyon225> Hurizen: Not a good idea... better to fix the problem instead of risk that. :)
[07:20] <Hurizen> Ohh sorry =)
[07:20] <elyon225> knapp: Have you checked the permissions to make sure you have write access to that folder?
[07:21] <BluesKaj> Hurizen, have you enabled power saving in the sys/settings/Monitor&Display/admin mode ?
[07:21] <knapp> elyon225 yea,  I can write folders to it
[07:21] <Hurizen> I think not.. but I'll check now
[07:21] <elyon225> knapp: You can make sure by typing this in the console: sudo chmod -R +rwxXst /home/knapp/documents/audio/
[07:22] <Hurizen> No Elyon, its not enabled
[07:22] <elyon225> Hurizen: I wasn't the one that asked, but okay ;)
[07:22] <Hurizen> LoL
[07:22] <BluesKaj> elyon225, same for you : sys/settings/Monitor&Display/admin mode
[07:22] <Hurizen> Ahhh right!
[07:22] <Hurizen> Blues sorry... Is not enabled =)
[07:22] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Huh?  I'm not having the same problem :)
[07:23] <Hurizen> BluesKaj, I have that problem... double screensaver =)
[07:23] <BluesKaj> ok, but you were asking about scrnsaver not working...the power setting fixes it if enablesd
[07:23] <Hurizen> I were asking
[07:23] <Hurizen> Really?
[07:23] <Hurizen> I try, Thanks Blue
[07:24] <elyon225> BluesKaj: You're confused lol.  I'm having a problem with sessions... not the screen saver :)
[07:24] <Hurizen> I let you know
[07:24] <BluesKaj> the large X indicates a scrnsaver prob even in sessions
[07:25] <Hurizen> Ok, but if I lock session, It shows the right screensaver
[07:25] <elyon225> BluesKaj: I don't have a big X.
[07:25] <Hurizen> I have I have =D
[07:25] <elyon225> hahah
[07:25] <elyon225> Poor BluesKaj is trying so hard to help me fix a problem I don't have ;)
[07:26] <knapp> elyon225 That didn't fix it :( also tried kdesu ... and that didn't work either.
[07:26] <elyon225> knapp: Okay... do you have enough free space on that partition?
[07:26] <knapp> yes like 80 gigs
[07:26] <elyon225> knapp: And is that exactly what the error message says? Just "Cannot create folders"?
[07:27] <Hurizen> YES! Blue it works now! Problem fixed, Thanks
[07:27] <BluesKaj> well just to let you know the big white X isn't the mouse cursor , elyon225 :)
[07:27] <knapp> "cannot place file, unable to make directories"
[07:27] <atidem> hello folks
[07:27] <elyon225> BluesKaj: No, I know... I was thinking of the small white X that sometimes is the mouse cursor when restarting X (usually doesn't last long)...
[07:27] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Just didn't know what he was referring to.
[07:27] <Hurizen> Eheh
[07:27] <BluesKaj> cool, Hurizen :)
[07:28] <Hurizen> So.. enabling power management had fixed the problem...
[07:28] <Hurizen> It's a bug or?
[07:28] <elyon225> BluesKaj: So think you could fix my problem too?
[07:28] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Is there any way to change the way "Lock Session" is handled?  Right now, when I lock my session, after someone else has logged in and then out again, it shows my screen saver and asks for my password.  I would like it instead to go back to the login screen to start a new session.
[07:29] <elyon225> knapp: Well, the only 2 possibilities I could think of is that it's a permissions problem or a space problem.  I don't use KAudio, though... sorry, bro.
[07:29] <Hurizen> knapp try using another program...
[07:29] <Hurizen> =/
[07:29] <knapp> Whats another good ripper for kde?
[07:30] <Hurizen> try Grip
[07:30] <DaSkreech> how do I copy a bunch of backup files to be non backup?
[07:31] <elyon225> DaSkreech: What kind of backup files are you referring to?
[07:31] <elyon225> !grip | knapp
[07:31] <ubotu> knapp: grip is a ripping player and has a minor bug which can be solved by doing this "sudo ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdromN" where X is your hard drive and N a number
[07:31] <DaSkreech> These are currently kate files
[07:31] <DaSkreech> like file.txt~
[07:31] <DaSkreech> but even say file.txt.bak
[07:31] <BluesKaj> elyon225, that's the nature of secure sessions ...they require the pwd, if you want the login scrn for a new session don't lock it . AFAIK :)
[07:31] <DaSkreech> How would I copy and strip the ends?
[07:32] <elyon225> BluesKaj: No, I can lock the session and start a new one (which shows the login screen fine), but for other users, there is no option to Log Out and Start New Session.... so when they log out, it asks for my password.  No reason for that.
[07:32] <Hurizen> Knapp: Is your partition ext3 or FAT?
[07:32] <elyon225> DaSkreech: I assume you don't want to do it one-by-one?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> elyon225: Dear lord no :)
[07:33] <elyon225> DaSkreech: Because that is simply a matter of [cp file.ext~ file.ext]
[07:33] <knapp> ext3
[07:33] <elyon225> DaSkreech: Ah... not sure how to do batch renaming in linux....
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Yeah how do I make that cp *.txt~ *.txt ?
[07:34] <Dr_willis> thats what the 'rename' command is for. i belive.. or use that kderename tool.
[07:34] <elyon225> DaSkreech: I'd say you could TRY that (but do it with copies in a seperate directory so you don't lose anything if it works unexpectadly)
[07:34] <Dr_willis> or learn your bash :)
[07:34] <knapp> OH, I think I figured what it was
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: I'm trying to learn my bash
[07:34] <YumeNoEien> hi everyone
[07:34] <elyon225> knapp: What's that?
[07:35] <Dr_willis> i always end up making a perl script that THEN generates the proper commands (and prints them out) then i pipe it  through sh. :)
[07:35] <knapp> stand by for confirmation :)
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> wanna rename something?
[07:35] <Dr_willis> but im too old to change my ways
[07:35] <DaSkreech> haha
[07:35] <elyon225> :)
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> use 'mv'
[07:35] <hatta> for each in *.txt ; mv $each $(echo $each | sed 's/txt~/txt/'; done
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> xD
[07:35] <DaSkreech>  elyon225 read man rename and look at the example
[07:35] <LjL> that's terrible
[07:35] <Dr_willis> The AMIGA OS had a similer command to how i 'do it'
[07:35] <hatta> DaSkreech, ^^
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> i remember my old commy 64
[07:35] <hatta> oh I left out a parens
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> ^ ^
[07:35] <hatta> for each in *.txt ; mv $each $(echo $each | sed 's/txt~/txt/'); done
[07:35] <elyon225> DaSkreech: Oh nice :)
[07:36] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Since you've obviously used Linux for a while, could you tell me how to force KDE to ALWAYS return to the login screen when a user logs off?
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Hmm where is it returning to now?
[07:37] <BluesKaj> sorry elyon225 , can't help you there
[07:37] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Right now, if there is another session already locked, logging out just prompts for that session's password.
[07:37] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Ask your video questions here, there are people who are more familiar with the various options and drivers.
[07:37] <YumeNoEien> Does anyone have any experience with WinModems?
[07:37] <BluesKaj> yes jhutchins , i did, thx :)
[07:37] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  ive never used the 2 users on kde at the same time stuff.. guess ya could just disable the user switching features.
[07:38] <knapp> elyon225 nvm I have no idea why it's doing this
[07:38] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I don't want to, though.  For instance, I'll leave myself logged in and downloading torrents overnight.  So I lock my session so others can log in.
[07:38] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I share this computer with a family of 5 :)
[07:38] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  i found that creating a vnc session (thats hidden) with a light window manager,  and just running the ktorrent (or whatever) application - works very well for me.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  that way it can run totally hidden. :)
[07:39] <Dr_willis> and i can then access if from other pc's to check up on it.
[07:39] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... not quite what i'm looking for.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Ive never used the multi-session stuff however. so cant help ya much in that area
[07:40] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Alright... thanks anyway.  Doesn't seem anyone knows why it does this lol
[07:40] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  i imagine theres some options SOMEWHERE in kdm perhaps that may tweak that.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> kde has so many tweakable things - that no one ever notices. :)
[07:41] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Well, as configurable as Linux is supposed to be, I'd be surprised if this couldn't be changed.
[07:41] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  you got the 'user friendly'  side vs the 'let me tweak things MY way side' of programming these days. :)
[07:41] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Although, this method is VERY not user friendly.
[07:42] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Makes no sense to do it this way, really.
[07:42] <DaSkreech> hatta: unexpected token near mv
[07:42] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Is there a configuration utility for kdm?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> The idea that you CAN have multi-user/sessions is a relativity new feature of kde/linux
[07:43] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[07:43] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme, kdm
[07:43] <elyon225> Dr_willis: The only time I've setup a login screen was with gnome's gdmsetup.
[07:43] <Dr_willis> i got a kdm config tool in my menus
[07:43] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... I don't.
[07:44] <elyon225> Dr_willis: At least not under Settings, System, or Utilities.
[07:44] <YumeNoEien> I need to install a driver for my winmodem but i dont know how to do it, can someone help me?
[07:44] <YumeNoEien> :(
[07:44] <Dr_willis> system admin -> login manager
[07:44] <genii> I remember with xdm had to go mess around in obscure subdirs of /etc/X11
[07:44] <Dr_willis> Hmm i started a new Gnome session.. did logout and it exited and poped me to the kde session i started it from
[07:45] <YumeNoEien> Would someone help me if i said i was a young single blond supermodel?
[07:45] <YumeNoEien> =3
[07:45] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... I didn't see any options for this in there.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> hatta: I think you are missing a do
[07:46] <YumeNoEien> oh well, guess everyone buisy right now. Il try again later on :)
[07:47] <elyon225> !winmodem | YumeHasHisDriver
[07:47] <ubotu> YumeHasHisDriver: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[07:50] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  so when you close session #2 - you want to go back to KDM, NOT session #1
[07:50] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Correct.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  never seen it done that way.
[07:51] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Logging out of session #2, prompts for the password for #1
[07:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:51] <elyon225> Why not? Seems so wrong to do it this way.
[07:51] <elyon225> Then again, I'm thinking of how Windows handles it (Switch User).  I want that kind of thing here.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> it would have to actually close session #2. and spawn a new session to run kdm i guess..
[07:51] <Dr_willis> go ask the #kde guys.
[07:52] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Alright... didn't think of that ;)
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Im suprised it even works as well as it does. heh heh.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> i think its a kdm related setting - because if you dont use kdm - then a lot of the login/session options are disabled.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm the 'switch user' menu even has a listing of the CONSOLE logins..
[07:53] <Dr_willis> thats... interesting.
[07:53] <ForgeAus> hmm I hate that some packages want to break my *buntu-desktop ones
[07:54] <petepete> ive added the new kde to my /etc/apt/sources.list and updated adept manager, but what do I do now?
[07:59] <torre97> hola
[07:59] <manchicken> Howdy.
[08:00] <|Shadow|> Uhh, i click on K-Menu go to System settings and click monitor and display, and it won't allow me to raise my resolution above 640x480 now
[08:01] <|Shadow|> can anyone please help me to fix this?
[08:01] <manchicken> Are you sure it's got the right monitor and video card selected?
[08:01] <torre97> tego problema con la wifi, en egnome entraba en internet con networmanger. Ahora he instalado kubuntu y no consigo entrar con wifi radar. que puedo hacer?
[08:01] <|Shadow|> how do i find that out?
[08:01] <manchicken> !es } torre97
[08:01] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[08:01] <manchicken> !es | torre97
[08:01] <ubotu> torre97: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:02] <torre97> gracias
[08:02] <manchicken> torre97: De nada
[08:02] <torre97> perdonad
[08:02] <manchicken> torre97: Np
[08:02] <|Shadow|> in hardware it says that my graphics card and driver at vesa
[08:02] <|Shadow|> and my monitors are both plug and play
[08:02] <|Shadow|> i've only just installed, trying it out as a alternative to windows :)
[08:04] <jon_chan> I'm on Edgy and my version of Automake is 1.4ish. How do I get it to 1.9 or above. I have backports support in my apt sources and I already performed an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:04] <screemo> anyone experiencing problems with knetworkmanager when logging into kde ? about half of the times, mine just load the applet and the dissappears again
[08:04] <screemo> I'm using wpa/wpa2 on ipw3945
[08:04] <YumeHasHisDriver> elyon225: thank you for the help! I did what the page set and im gonna try and see if it works.
[08:06] <jon_chan> Anyone know why this is a problem?
[08:06] <jon_chan> If so, how do I fix it?
[08:07] <shadowhywind> would Assembling RAID arrays fail cause my usplash to go to text?
[08:08] <genii_> bah my connection is cutting out again
[08:08] <DaSkreech> genii: What convention?
[08:10] <genii_> DaSkreech Well for example some ppl are using the Kickstart method to do automated installs. Others are using ways like netboot or preseeded cdrom images. I'd like it if they standardises on something like preseeding. Right now I have some example preseed files for instance in which the examples for autoadding a user fail miserably.
[08:12] <genii_> DaSkreech Even between stock Debian and Ubuntu the preseed values are radically different for simple things like decaring what locale you have or what timezone and so on. Very frustrating
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Well yeah Welcome to Distributions
[08:13] <genii> ARG ghosted again
[08:14] <padlefot> where do I add entries for autostarting apps when loggin into KDE?
[08:15] <malik> is it possible to change the shortcut "Ctrl++" in firefox to just "+"?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[08:15] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:16] <genii> Somewhere like ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:16] <genii> DaSkreech Heh :)
[08:16] <Ippatsu> !autostart
[08:16] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:16] <padlefot> whatsuckscsac<xzc<zxcx<cxzathans Ippatsu
[08:16] <DaSkreech> malik: I guess Don't know why you would want that
[08:17] <padlefot> sorry for that letter mess
[08:17] <DaSkreech> genii: I doubt you'll find Zen in an auto installation for Linux
[08:18] <malik> DaSkreech: just easier to use like opera
[08:18] <genii> DaSkreech Well, I already solved some issues like wrong resolution, what desktop and adding a wvdial user. But just auto-adding a regular default user if baffling the hell out of me
[08:18] <|Shadow|> could anyone please VNC me and sort out my graphics for me?
[08:18] <|Shadow|> i've been trying for 10 hours to get this to work now
[08:19] <|Shadow|> and i'm really fed up with it, gonna give up soon.
[08:19] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[08:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:19] <DaSkreech> |Shadow|: try that
[08:19] <|Shadow|> oh god, another tutorial
[08:19] <|Shadow|> this will be the 16th one i've read.
[08:20] <DaSkreech> |Shadow|: you'll be a better person for it :)
[08:20] <genii> LOL There are just so many manuals to read and so little time to Read all The Freakin Manuals
[08:20] <|Shadow|> most of the manuals i've read don't give correct instructions
[08:21] <genii> |Shadow| Hence the "Freakin" part of RTFM
[08:21] <|Shadow|> lol
[08:22] <malik> is it possible to change the shortcut "Ctrl++" in firefox to just "+"..........any one has any idea?
[08:22] <genii> malik Instead if you have a scrollwheel just use CTRL then the wheel
[08:23] <MidMark> hi
[08:23] <DaSkreech> malik: Might take a recompile...
[08:23] <MidMark> is there a program to add password to pdf in linux? Seems that openoffice cannot do it
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Or it may be in about:config
[08:23] <|Shadow|> uhh, i went in there and did the aticonfig thing
[08:23] <genii> I wonder if about:config  may have a value there to change for that actually
[08:23] <|Shadow|> and i did aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-on=1
[08:23] <gemidjy> is there a way to check what was last upgraded on the system ?
[08:24] <gemidjy> with apt-get
[08:24] <genii> DaSkreech LOL
[08:24] <|Shadow|> and it said Warning: Option 'DesktopSetup' doesn't affect the running session
[08:24] <|Shadow|> and it had no effect on the screen.
[08:24] <malik> genii: i have gone thru about:config and i cudnt c anything
[08:24] <genii> |Shadow|: That just means whatever change you just made will become active next time you start the X server
[08:25] <|Shadow|> ok, so i'll do a reboot and see if that solves it :)
[08:25] <genii> You could sort contents of /var/cache/apt by time newest first to see what was last installed
[08:26] <genii> |Shadow|: No reboot needed
[08:26] <malik> |Shadow|: u can press Ctrl Alt Backspace instead of restarting
[08:26] <|Shadow|> i still havn't found the thing to just restart x, so i just have to reboot my pc :p
[08:26] <|Shadow|> thats usefull :)
[08:27] <genii> |Shadow|: Yes, ctrl-alt-backspace works. Also to exit to the login screen then restart it from the options listed there
[08:28] <malik> |Shadow|: u can press Ctrl Alt Backspace instead of restarting...........or logout and then click on the document icon on the left side of the login menu n click on restart x
[08:29] <|Shadow|> the situation is still the same though
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Hi nikkiana
[08:29] <|Shadow|> i do the ati thing thats supposed to set up a dual head graphics card for dual display (which is what i have)
[08:29] <|Shadow|> and im still stuck with one display in 640x480.
[08:29] <DaSkreech> |Shadow|: What are you trying to do?
[08:29] <|Shadow|> 2 monitors with bigdesktop at 1024x768
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Ah
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Ok
[08:30] <|Shadow|> its taken me 10 hours to get pretty much no where
[08:30] <|Shadow|> its damned frustrateing
[08:32] <|Shadow|> can anyone please help me to get this working?
[08:32] <|Shadow|> if not im just gonna have to give up and uninstall, linux with 1 monitor at 640x480 isn't worth useing.
[08:32] <timster> Can you get whatpulse on kubntu?
[08:33] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, perhaps someone at #ubuntu may be able to help...
[08:33] <|Shadow|> heh, ubuntu sent me here.
[08:34] <robinwood> d
[08:34] <robinwood> na leute
[08:34] <hatta> ati sucks, sorry
[08:34] <|Shadow|> i didn't choose my card :/
[08:34] <hatta> it's easy enough to do with an nvidia card
[08:35] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, nothing is working, or just 3d?
[08:35] <|Shadow|> nothing is working pretty much, linux starts into kubuntu
[08:35] <|Shadow|> and its locked in 640x480
[08:35] <notech> the ati hardware is good, the drivers need work...in my opinioon
[08:35] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, how did the livecd look?
[08:35] <|Shadow|> the livecd worked at 1024x768
[08:35] <|Shadow|> its when i enabled my secondary screen in the kubuntu gui that this happened
[08:36] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[08:36] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any ideas on why fsck would run everytime on boot. and cause my usplash to switch to text
[08:36] <notech> |Shadow|: maybe post your config to a pastebin so others can look at it
[08:36] <|Shadow|> ok, one sec.
[08:36] <ForgeAus> argh! I have virtual package problems!
[08:37] <devilsadvocate> shadowhywind, you may have set it to do that?
[08:39] <shadowhywind> devilsadvocate how can i change it?
[08:39] <devilsadvocate> shadowhywind, there a command called tunefs or something... :|
[08:39] <shadowhywind> for a fat partition?
[08:40] <notech> put it on a diet :)
[08:40] <shadowhywind> hehe
[08:40] <ForgeAus> rofl
[08:40] <devilsadvocate> shadowhywind, no idea about fat partiotions.. havent used them in a while :P
[08:41] <ForgeAus> hmm tunefs doesn't seem to work
[08:41] <sean0h> ok i installed kubuntu
[08:41] <sean0h> resolution all funky
[08:41] <notech> shadowhywind: have you let it complete the fsck?
[08:41] <sean0h> any solutions?
[08:42] <devilsadvocate> sean0h, details?
[08:42] <sean0h> ok
[08:42] <sean0h> geforce fx6600LE
[08:42] <sean0h> vcard
[08:42] <sean0h> i got to desktop
[08:42] <shadowhywind> notech, yes. I have done couple manual ones, but it does the check everytime i boot. In fstab it is set for 1 (which i guess checks it everytime)
[08:42] <sean0h> but resolution was wierd
[08:42] <sean0h> is there a file i have to edit?
[08:42] <devilsadvocate> describe wierd...
[08:43] <sean0h> like all distorted
[08:43] <devilsadvocate> too big, too small, out of proporition?
[08:43] <sean0h> small
[08:43] <sean0h> pixelly
[08:43] <sean0h> out of proportion
[08:43] <notech> shadowhywind: i don't have any fay partitions but maybe the man page will say what 1 is. man for fsck or man for mount
[08:43] <devilsadvocate> sean0h, widescreen?
[08:43] <|Shadow|> http://pastebin.com/871481 is my xorg.conf
[08:43] <sean0h> ya
[08:43] <timster> Kubuntu makes the simlest of games realy slow :(
[08:44] <timster> Is there any fix for this
[08:44] <sean0h> i dont have a widescreen or lsd
[08:44] <sean0h> i think it dont like my vcard
[08:44] <timster> How can i get my graphics card to work properly?
[08:44] <BluesKaj> sean0h, the graphics driver prolly needs to be updated to linux drivers
[08:44] <MidMark> devilsadvocate: are you the one from hwup??
[08:44] <sean0h> OK
[08:44] <|Shadow|> notech heres my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/871481 :)
[08:44] <devilsadvocate> hwup?
[08:44] <atidem> |Shadow|: do you have a tablet pc?
[08:44] <sean0h> how do i do that
[08:45] <|Shadow|> no
[08:45] <sean0h> sorry i am a noob
[08:45] <sean0h> heh
[08:45] <|Shadow|> normal tower machine :)
[08:45] <MidMark> devilsadvocate: hardware upgrade
[08:45] <newuser> hi all
[08:45] <devilsadvocate> sean0h, you could try getting nvidia drivers. there are loads of howtos on the forums, and nvidia is a far sight easier that ati in this regard
[08:45] <BluesKaj> google linux drivers for the graphics card is what I had to do
[08:45] <newuser> I have a pinnalce pc tv 60e dvb-t does someone teel me if it works under kubuntu 6.10?
[08:45] <devilsadvocate> MidMark, i dont think i am
[08:45] <atidem> |Shadow|: you don't need wacom
[08:46] <|Shadow|> atidem i don't know, i've only installed linux recently
[08:46] <sean0h> now do i not have to edit xorg.conf?
[08:46] <MidMark> devilsadvocate: sorry probably you are another devilsadvocate, how many has? :)
[08:46] <|Shadow|> what should i c hange?
[08:46] <linuxn0Ob> wtf, all nicks are taken in this server!
[08:46] <newuser> !ati
[08:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <notech> |Shadow|: i'm not real familiar with ATI but you monitor section has modeline for 640x480 and the screen section is also 640x480
[08:47] <|Shadow|> i allready have the drivers installed -.-
[08:47] <|Shadow|> heh ok i'll try changeing that
[08:47] <|Shadow|> this really seems to be like a never ending loop with you guys
[08:47] <notech> he needs wacom if he has that device
[08:48] <|Shadow|> i ask ubuntu, they say install the drivers, i install the drivers, still doesn't work, go through loads of tutorials that they link me to, none of those work, they send me here, you guys send me back to ubuntu, then you say drivers again :D
[08:48] <Aarthas> I've got a problem with WPA WLAN, I've tried sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant  as the wiki says, but it says that it cant find any packages...
[08:48] <notech> |Shadow|: i'd try the screen section, change the modeline and you'd need completely new modes for it
[08:48] <Aarthas> anyone know what i can do?
[08:49] <|Shadow|> heh, it won't let me edit it because its read only
[08:49] <sean0h> ok i understand that but to install nvidia drivers do i not have to be able to view desktop properly and get into sudo?
[08:53] <atidem> notech: he doesnt need wacom module
[08:53] <Aarthas> I've got a problem with WPA WLAN, I've tried "sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant"  as the wiki says, but it says that it cant find any packages...
[08:54] <surgy> hello
[08:55] <|Shadow|> heh, back to windows i guess.
[08:56] <Aarthas> comeon, you linux guys use to be very helpfull...
[08:57] <glundberg> does anyone know how to have Adept-Updater ignore certain updates?
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> hmm i'm trying to watch fox shows on myspace.com, but it says only windows or apple is supported, if there's workarounds, what are they?
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> glundberg you can uncheck it when it says a package is upgradable
[08:57] <|Shadow|> Aarthas lol after being sent around 18 diffrent tutorial websites, that say a long list of completely diffrent instructions to achieve one task (get my dam monitor out of 640x480), and having no help in 4 diffrent linux channels
[08:58] <|Shadow|> i'd say that your about right, the support sucks.
[08:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> glundberg u can click on upgradable, and then choose to ignore it
[08:58] <Aarthas> |Shadow|: I've got a 16:10 screen and it's loocked @ 1024x768 :P
[08:58] <tony_> hello...i'm a noob and trying to install mythtv on kubuntu edgy...at one point the instructions say to "create the file /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop" and later to create a script "/usr/local/bin/mythtv.sh"...how do I do this?
[08:59] <|Shadow|> heh, i've got 2 monitors on a dual head graphics card.
[08:59] <tony_> how can I create a file and a script?
[08:59] <|Shadow|> and i've spent the past 18 hours trying to get help
[08:59] <Aarthas> I've got a crappy laptop graphics chipset...
[08:59] <|Shadow|> waste of my dam time, should have just stuck with windows and not bothered to install the thing.
[08:59] <glundberg> Balsamic_Chicken: that's not an option.  there's Cancel Changes, Request Removal, Request Purging
[08:59] <ForgeAus> cyall
[08:59] <Aarthas> perhaps we should go back to WinXP?
[08:59] <|Shadow|> Aarthas im allready there.
[08:59] <Aarthas> :)
[08:59] <ForgeAus> hehe XP is ok but kubuntu us better
[08:59] <Lil_Eagle> I just tried myspace and it says it is not available for people outside of the U.S.  Stupid browser shouldn't identify my country.
[09:00] <Balsamic_Chicken> glundberg click cancel changes
[09:00] <ForgeAus> (with VMware you can have both!
[09:00] <glundberg> Balsamic_Chicken:  if I choose Cancel Changes, the system tray icon stays there
[09:00] <|Shadow|> ForgeAus i beg to differ, if a operating system takes 18 hours and i still can't get the dam thing out of 640x480
[09:00] <|Shadow|> then it wins the suckyness award by default.
[09:00] <ForgeAus> shadow, but are your results typical?
[09:00] <Aarthas> yes, but kubuntu won't work, and no one helps me so...
[09:00] <tony_> any help on how I can create a file and script?
[09:01] <ForgeAus> Aarthas what doesn't work about it?
[09:01] <|Shadow|> no, i've seen alot of people with this problem begging for help, nobody bothers.
[09:01] <|Shadow|> either that or we get posted around multiple tutorials that are incorrect.
[09:01] <Aarthas> it says "couldn't find any packages..."
[09:01] <baloe> Where can I find Hercules Smart TV drivers for kubuntu ?
[09:01] <ForgeAus> you mean adept?
[09:01] <Lil_Eagle> shadow, it works... open a terminal and type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:01] <Aarthas> ah, well, I'll try again tomorrow, gonna watch TV now
[09:02] <tony_> so nobody knows how to create the file "/usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop"????
[09:02] <|Shadow|> sigh, i'll try that. if it doesn't work im going to uninstall
[09:02] <|Shadow|> extra 3gb of hard disk space ftw.
[09:02] <ForgeAus> Shadow which video card?
[09:02] <ciro> !repositories
[09:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:02] <|Shadow|> ati eax1600pro
[09:02] <notech> threats of uninstalling tends to limit help from others
[09:02] <ForgeAus> wow ... thats pretty hot!
[09:03] <|Shadow|> notech well, its a ditch attempt. i have been trying to get help for the past 18 hours
[09:03] <ForgeAus> I'm not certain if Linux will support all that your card can do
[09:03] <ciro> guys where can I find a good repos list?
[09:03] <|Shadow|> so if anyone had any intesnion of helping, chances are they would have done it by now.
[09:03] <tony_> I'm not even sure anyone is answering me at all!!! sigh...
[09:03] <|Shadow|> and i know full well my card sucks, i've been told that many times.
[09:03] <xenol> ciro type !source-o-matic
[09:03] <ForgeAus> theres an flxgr ??? or something driver
[09:03] <ciro> !source-o-matic
[09:03] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:03] <ForgeAus> no it doesn't suck
[09:03] <ciro> tnx :D
[09:03] <xenol> :)
[09:03] <ForgeAus> it's just linux hasn't really caught up with it
[09:04] <|Shadow|> yes, i have that driver installed.
[09:04] <xenol> just build ur repos for ur own country
[09:04] <ForgeAus> shadow then whats the problem?
[09:04] <tony_> HELLO.....HOW DO YOU CREATE A FILE!!!! Please help me!! Please
[09:04] <ForgeAus> you can't cahnge res?
[09:04] <|Shadow|> i have a dual head graphics card, i have 2 monitors, and linux decides its going to run 1 monitor in 640x480
[09:04] <ForgeAus> whats in monitor settings?
[09:04] <|Shadow|> i want both my monitors running.
[09:04] <Lil_Eagle> how do you create a file in windows?  Same here.  Right click and say new...
[09:04] <|Shadow|> not much, pretty much all the settings are blanked out.
[09:05] <ForgeAus> ahh theres a tool um radeontool? that I had for that multi-monitor support
[09:05] <ForgeAus> but then yours isn't a radeon, so I'm not sure if it will work
[09:05] <tony_> I have to create the file mythtv.desktop and place it in /usr/share/xsessions/...how do I do this???
[09:05] <|Shadow|> yes mine is a radeon
[09:05] <|Shadow|> and it fits under that driver, and i have that driver installed
[09:05] <|Shadow|> and i've done the initializaing commands for it
[09:05] <ForgeAus> you got radeontool too?
[09:05] <|Shadow|> and it STILL doesn't work.
[09:06] <ForgeAus> hmmm ok.. well I don't know...
[09:06] <ForgeAus> not for sure anyhow
[09:06] <Lil_Eagle> tony_, you'll have to do that as root.  Normal accounts don't have write permission there... you can do this:
[09:06] <ForgeAus> there probably is a way tho
[09:06] <|Shadow|> just trying that sudo command now :)
[09:06] <ForgeAus> running dual monitors shouldn't be too difficult
[09:07] <ForgeAus> lol sudo command probably wasn't meant for you anyway shadow
[09:07] <ForgeAus> (I think they had the nick wrong)
[09:07] <Lil_Eagle> type sudo touch /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop
[09:07] <ForgeAus> hey underdog :)
[09:07] <tony_> woo hoo..thank you Lil_Eagle!!
[09:07] <ForgeAus> know much about ATI cards? Shadow could use some help with multiple monitors
[09:07] <ForgeAus> my all in one wonder card can do that too but i havn't as yet USED multiple monitors for it
[09:08] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:08] <|Shadow|> if anyone does actually want to help me, i have VNC up and running
[09:08] <ForgeAus> sounds like the second one is defaulting to a base VGA adaptor or something
[09:09] <ForgeAus> Shadow, sorry I don't know HOW to help you any more than just refer you to read whatever documentation you can find
[09:09] <ForgeAus> (or google stuff)
[09:09] <ForgeAus> or wait for a guru here that knows more
[09:09] <Lil_Eagle> do guru's come here?
[09:09] <ForgeAus> there was one really good wiki
[09:09] <ForgeAus> about ati drivers
[09:10] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, google it.
[09:10] <ForgeAus> I don't have the webpage anymore tho (at least I don't think I do
[09:10] <tony_> Lil_Eagle...thank you..i've created the file...but when i click to open it...i can't...I have to put a bunch of info in this file...how do I do this?
[09:10] <|Shadow|> ugh not again
[09:10] <|Shadow|> i've read 18 damned tutorials
[09:10] <ForgeAus> ahh have you been here? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page ?
[09:10] <|Shadow|> i've been sitting here trying to do this for nearly 19 hours now
[09:10] <|Shadow|> do you honestly think i havn't googled?
[09:11] <|Shadow|> i dunno if i wanna read a 19th tutorial on how to fix this.
[09:11] <|Shadow|> its getting VERY repetative.
[09:11] <ForgeAus> I take it you've done all this stuff : sudo aticonfig --initial ?
[09:11] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, just navigate to it with Konqueror then right click and choose Action->Edit as Root.
[09:11] <ForgeAus> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[09:12] <ForgeAus> sudo aticonfig --internal-agp=off
[09:12] <|Shadow|> yes i did that.
[09:12] <ForgeAus> actually what do you get from: fglrxinfo
[09:12] <ForgeAus> ???
[09:12] <|Shadow|> hey i reconfigured the x thing and i've gone up to 1024x768
[09:12] <|Shadow|> which is atleast a move in the right direction.
[09:12] <ForgeAus> but you can't get the other monitor to follow suit
[09:13] <Lil_Eagle> Anyone know how to configure a browser not to identify which country one is in?
[09:13] <|Shadow|> thats the one
[09:13] <ForgeAus> did the ati radeon tool have the dual monitor gui control?
[09:13] <|Shadow|> the other monitor shows a exact clone of the 1st monitor (i think thats a hardware thing)
[09:13] <ForgeAus> um lil you mean konqueror?
[09:13] <|Shadow|> fglrxinfo returns some stuff about mesa
[09:13] <ForgeAus> theres a browser identification thing in konqueror
[09:13] <ForgeAus> you can set it
[09:13] <ForgeAus> (in either preferences or tools)
[09:14] <ForgeAus> theres a string that lets you alter that kinda stuff
[09:14] <|Shadow|> thats where one of the tutorials i read went wrong, it said that i should see stuff about fglrx there and not mesa
[09:14] <|Shadow|> and it gave me a long list of troubleshooting things to solve it, none of them did.
[09:15] <Lil_Eagle> I'm trying now...
[09:16] <Lil_Eagle> Man does it look different in Konq.
[09:16] <|Shadow|> so uhh, with enableing the second monitor
[09:16] <ForgeAus> hmmm shadow mostly about 3d acceleration for it
[09:16] <|Shadow|> im in the Monitor and display thing, in the hardware tab
[09:16] <|Shadow|> Graphics card is ati, driver is fglrx, monitor 1 is custom 1, monitor 2 is <unknown>
[09:16] <Lil_Eagle> Nope, get endless redirect and reload.  Oh well.  Browser wars.
[09:16] <ForgeAus> shadow how about ATI control ?
[09:16] <ForgeAus> its an extra package
[09:16] <|Shadow|> ah cool
[09:17] <|Shadow|> before when i tried to start this it started in some low mode
[09:17] <|Shadow|> without any settings
[09:17] <|Shadow|> but now t heres alot more settings
[09:17] <ForgeAus> its not in the "control panel" (known as system settings in kubuntu)
[09:17] <ForgeAus> yeah
[09:17] <ForgeAus> might be able to fix it now
[09:18] <|Shadow|> i clicked on big desktop and hit apply, it said i had to restart X, i do ctrl + alt + backspace, log back in and its exactly as it was before i hit apply lol
[09:18] <tony_> Lil_Eagle...I've created the script Mythtv.sh...how do I add something into there...it says I don't have write acces...denied
[09:18] <|Shadow|> clone mode :(
[09:18] <|Shadow|> but i set it to big desktop horizontal
[09:18] <ForgeAus> actually it doesn't idnetify location but it can identify language
[09:18] <ForgeAus> not sure if that helps lil
[09:19] <Lil_Eagle> Lang is English.  It goes by ip address.
[09:19] <ForgeAus> you have to set a checkbox on to add it
[09:19] <ForgeAus> well then no browser identification is going to help
[09:19] <ForgeAus> you have to either proxy your IP somehow or find another way
[09:20] <ForgeAus> I can't really help you other than that
[09:20] <|Shadow|> so, im in the ATI Control panel thing
[09:20] <|Shadow|> i go to desktop setup, it appears to see 2 monitors
[09:20] <ForgeAus> yeah does it show both monitors?
[09:20] <|Shadow|> i click the "Big Tesktop Horizontal" button, click apply
[09:20] <|Shadow|> it tells me i need to reboot the XServer for changes to take effect
[09:20] <|Shadow|> i do ctrl + alt + backspace, log in again. and its still clone
[09:21] <Lil_Eagle> Yeah, and I can't hide the IP because that's my ISP's router doing it and I'm not aloud to change it's setup.
[09:21] <ForgeAus> hmmm Shadow :( sorry your having bad luck.... not sure why that didn't work
[09:21] <|Shadow|> heh :(
[09:21] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, welcome to proprietary software.
[09:21] <|Shadow|> i'll try a complete reboot
[09:21] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:21] <ForgeAus> yeah that might help
[09:21] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle with your router, you can probably get firmware updates.
[09:22] <|Shadow|> i know you can got the bt homehub things
[09:22] <|Shadow|> bt homehub = netgear \o/
[09:23] <|Shadow|> one thing thats slightly strange is i have 2 ATI Control things in my K Menu
[09:24] <|Shadow|> but they both appear to be functional.
[09:24] <Lil_Eagle> Yes, but they send the updates.    I'm not in U.K. and don't have bt.
[09:25] <|Shadow|> aww, :(
[09:25] <Lil_Eagle> They don't know that I run more than one computer from the router.  (well maybe they do now :))
[09:25] <ForgeAus> I gotta go sleep
[09:25] <ciro> !beryl
[09:25] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[09:25] <ForgeAus> shadow  probably kmenu duplicating it
[09:25] <ForgeAus> don't worry just delete one
[09:25] <Lil_Eagle> If you're in Au, you're 3:30 in the AM!
[09:26] <ForgeAus> yeah thats about right wait 7.30 you mean
[09:26] <Lil_Eagle> (or so)
[09:26] <|Shadow|> ok :)
[09:26] <ForgeAus> I havn't slept yet!
[09:26] <Lil_Eagle> Go to bed.
[09:26] <ForgeAus> I'm about to
[09:26] <tony_> I need to add "gnome-screensaver, mythfrontend"and some other stuff to mythtv.sh script..how do i do this?
[09:26] <ciro> !beryl
[09:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[09:26] <ForgeAus> had too many kubuntu problems to fix lol
[09:26] <ForgeAus> loosing sleep over it
[09:26] <Lil_Eagle> You don't in KDE...
[09:26] <ForgeAus> bye
[09:27] <Lil_Eagle> Bot, beryl is cool...
[09:27] <LobsterWing> \
[09:27] <Lil_Eagle> see what I mean about IP, we can see where the people come from.
[09:28] <tony_> how do I do this guys? add text to a script file?
[09:28] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, you'll need to use gnome for that.  If you don't have it, you can easily get it from the repos.
[09:29] <LjL> tony_: a text editor usually helps
[09:29] <Lil_Eagle> I told you, navigate to it, then right click, select Action-> Edit as Root.
[09:29] <Lil_Eagle> Cut and Paste....
[09:29] <|Shadow|> oO, i think i made it work sorta
[09:30] <|Shadow|> i clicked test and it went into this grey screen with a big X as a mouse pointer
[09:30] <|Shadow|> but, it was dual display and i could move the pointer between my 2 screens
[09:30] <|Shadow|> which means that linux must by default know what my hardware is, and know that its functional :)
[09:31] <|Shadow|> WOOT its working
[09:31] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, you're getting there...
[09:31] <|Shadow|> hahahahaha sweet, only took 19 hours lol
[09:31] <ciro> guys who can I installa ati drivers on edgy?
[09:31] <ciro> !ati
[09:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:31] <ciro> done :P
[09:31] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, think of the adrenaline rush... nothing like that happens with Windows.
[09:32] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:33] <newbie> don't say the dirty word WINDOWS
[09:33] <newbie> lol
[09:34] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:34] <|Shadow|> well it sorta worked
[09:34] <Lil_Eagle> Can I say winBlows?
[09:34] <|Shadow|> for some reason my left screen kinda scrolls around the desktop
[09:34] <LjL> i'd rather you said Windows
[09:34] <Lil_Eagle> Windoze?
[09:34] <|Shadow|> and when i move the mouse to the right screen it turns into a big square
[09:34] <voicu> why the hell doesn't ktorrent download or upload anything? http works fine, irc works fine, everything works. i have no firewall, i have a real ip, there are seeders, etc, etc, etc
[09:34] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, you're seeing standard XWindows.  No Display Manager (if it's like you said)
[09:35] <DaSkreech> How do I see who just logged into my machine?
[09:35] <voicu> wtf is wrong with it?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> My hard drive just dissappeared while I was working on it
[09:35] <LjL> DaSkreech: tail /var/log/auth.log
[09:35] <Lil_Eagle> Ktorrent works, but better off with Azureus...
[09:35] <fdoving> DaSkreech: something like 'lastlog -t 1' ?
[09:35] <LjL> DaSkreech: disappeared like what?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> Like i was working on it
[09:35] <Lil_Eagle> Poof!
[09:36] <DaSkreech> opened a file hit save and the folders were gone
[09:36] <LjL> well if it was the root filesystem, i doubt you *have* logs :P
[09:36] <voicu> Lil_Eagle, if i needed another client i would have asked or searched for one. i am asking for advice on this really annoying issue
[09:36] <DaSkreech> It was ~
[09:37] <tony_> Lil_Eagle there is no edit as root option...I can open it in a text editor and than add the lines..but it won't let me save it...what gives?
[09:37] <LjL> DaSkreech: have you turned off the machine?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Nope
[09:38] <LjL> then do it
[09:38] <LjL> use a CD to audit it
[09:38] <DaSkreech> No one logged it says
[09:38] <DaSkreech> >_<
[09:38] <Lil_Eagle> Hmm, You runing Kubuntu right?  Dapper?  Edgy?  Breezy?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> ok let me try save this work
[09:38] <tony_> kubuntu edgy
[09:38] <LjL> well do you have any reasonable explanation as to why your home might have gone away, unless there was an intruder?
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Well someone asked me for a song about 20 minutes ago
[09:39] <Lil_Eagle> Funny, that option is standard.  OK, do it different.  open a terminal...
[09:39] <DaSkreech> I was listening to music and it turned off
[09:39] <DaSkreech> So I thought someone was doing something to get back at me
[09:39] <tony_> alright...terminal open
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Then I realized I couldn't save and thought let me keep following up the hoax path to see if I was right
[09:40] <Lil_Eagle> sudo kwrite /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop
[09:40] <Lil_Eagle> (paste it)
[09:41] <LjL> DaSkreech, if you have a CD handy, a boot from there and a run of chkrootkit and rkhunter certainly won't hurt at any rate
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:41] <Lil_Eagle> I told you normal users couldn't write there.
[09:41] <djwilcox> i just installed kubuntu on my mac as a dual boot
[09:41] <tony_> thank you...sudo kwrite...gotta remember that!!!
[09:42] <tony_> it worked
[09:42] <djwilcox> but i have no sound - whats the k mix
[09:42] <DaSkreech> LjL: I'm getting an input/output error when remounted to a new folder
[09:42] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, a better way is to press Alt-F2 to run a command and use kdesu in place of sudo.
[09:42] <DaSkreech> LjL: of course I can't unmount it since it's obviously in use
[09:43] <LjL> DaSkreech, is /home on a different partition? different HD?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Partition
[09:43] <Lil_Eagle> DaScreech, then it's not gone.
[09:43] <LjL> DaSkreech, do you have smartmontools installed?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Lil_Eagle: I know it's still there physically :)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Yup
[09:44] <Lil_Eagle> Tony's now trying to get mythtv working...
[09:44] <LjL> DaSkreech: then check smartctl -A for starters. though i still suggest you just shut down the machine ASAP and do your checks from a CD, if you have any suspect of an intrusion, which you do
[09:45] <LjL> (if you go by the book, that should be done by pulling the plug, but i might understand it if you didn't want to do it that way)
[09:48] <Lil_Eagle> (kidding) you said it disappeared.
[09:49] <blekos> hello guys i have 2 major problems, 1st is that my wirelles connetction is not activated on startup and i have to run wirelles manager to connect
[09:49] <blekos> i tried to change it from system settins but no luck, any ideas?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> LjL: I don't think You understand. The "intrusion" would have been friendly and everyone who could do it is in this room
[09:49] <Lil_Eagle> blekos, hmm, can you activate it in a script?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Anyway I asked and no one is sore with me for not giving over my song on demand
[09:50] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i start using proxy? i have switchproxy for firefox installed, how do i get it to work, i only care cuz i wanna watch the myspace fox videos that i can't watch right now because i'd need window or mac
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Plus it's from the ftp server at OpenBSD
[09:50] <blekos> hmm, how?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> I'm starting to hate XFS
[09:51] <LjL> DaSkreech: hm, they friendly wiped your /home...? :P
[09:51] <Lil_Eagle> XFS?  Why are you using XFS?
[09:52] <DaSkreech> LjL: No I thought they friendly killed all my music till I saved
[09:52] <blekos> the prob is that it delays start up a lot cause it tries to connect unsuccesfully -no right permissions??-
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Lil_Eagle: Experiment
[09:52] <DaSkreech> It got decent ratings
[09:53] <Lil_Eagle> Sorry, but XFS isn't reliable.... But then again, I used Reiser4 for a while...
[09:53] <DaSkreech> LjL: how do I read the output of smartctl -A ?
[09:53] <LjL> DaSkreech: black magic... just pastebin it
[09:53] <LjL> DaSkreech: basically if something looks very suspicious, it probably is
[09:54] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[09:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:54] <Lil_Eagle> Bot, this is Kubuntu (and it's on the topic here too.
[09:54] <DaSkreech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3499/
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Lil_Eagle: Vote for my bot_smack :-)
[09:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i start using proxy? i have switchproxy for firefox installed, how do i get it to work, i only care cuz i wanna watch the myspace fox videos that i can't watch right now because i'd need window or mac
[09:55] <TurnTheOtherWay> woah operas a disorientating irc client
[09:55] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: are you here?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Proxy won't help that
[09:56] <misja> hey. how can I get the name of my sound card (driver)?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> LjL: Nothing fails ever
[09:56] <firecrotch> I remember seeing a link to a page with instructions on how to customize Ubuntu Live CD's.  Anyone know the link?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Plus the rest of my stuff is ok
[09:56] <DaSkreech>  I think it's probably the File system
[09:57] <Lil_Eagle> Google!
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Which I can't unmount
[09:57] <LjL> DaSkreech, SMART attributes can be suspicious without showing up as "failed"
[09:57] <Lil_Eagle> DaScreech, reboot a live CD.
[09:57] <DaSkreech> I know
[09:57] <DaSkreech> It's not a binary attribute
[09:57] <DaSkreech> :-(
[09:57] <LjL> DaSkreech: "buffer i/o error" doesn't sound like "you can't unmount because it's being used", though
[09:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech i'm on kubuntu, is there a way to work around http://creative.myspace.com/VOD/24/index.html so i can watch the video there?
[09:58] <hak5fan> Does anyone know how to download sourcecode form a cvs repo?
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Use Konqueror or Firefox and change your Display agent string
[09:58] <DaSkreech> !cvs
[09:58] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[09:58] <Lil_Eagle> I can't watch it.
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Or install cervesia
[09:58] <Lil_Eagle> Even if I used Windows.
[09:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech how =)
[09:59] <xenol> how can i create partition from shell?
[09:59] <xenol> i have 14 GB unallocated space and want to make it FAT32
[09:59] <xenol> convert?
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Display agent extension with Firefox or Tools -> change identifcation in Konqui
[09:59] <TurnTheOtherWay> anyone got raid?
[09:59] <elyokko> HEY NO ENTIENDO
[09:59] <elyokko> alguien habla espaol
[09:59] <elyokko> ?
[10:00] <Lil_Eagle> hmm, a fat partion?  why?
[10:00] <xenol> why not ? :)
[10:00] <DaSkreech> LjL: Yeah it doesn't if I ls or save anything in a folder mounted under home I get an i/o error
[10:00] <elyokko> alguien sabe el servidor de kubuntus pero en spaol
[10:00] <firecrotch> !es
[10:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:00] <DaSkreech> LjL: If I try to umount it so I can fsck it I can't cause it's being used
[10:00] <Lil_Eagle> No, no hablamos espanol.
[10:01] <DaSkreech> can I reboot without a home folder?
[10:01] <darkblue> anyone here with good knowledge about getting beryl to work?
[10:01] <devilsadvocate> firecrotch, google for gnewsense
[10:01] <surgy> is it just me or does firefox seem wayyyyyy faster than konq?
[10:01] <firecrotch> devilsadvocate: thanks!
[10:01] <Lil_Eagle> Follow the how to.  Bot --- Beryl....
[10:02] <firecrotch> !beryl | darkblue
[10:02] <ubotu> darkblue: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Woah strange hours for you
[10:02] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[10:02] <darkblue> I have followed the how to and installation, and I have gotten it installed etc, just that I am running into some problems that I cant find answers for
[10:02] <BluesKaj> !TV Wonder Pro
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about TV Wonder Pro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <xenol> !partiotions
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partiotions - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <xenol> !partitions
[10:02] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:03] <hak5fan> ubotu:  can't get in to the site.... well I could be it told me that I would want to visit the wiki.... and I can't get in
[10:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech where's display agent extension in firefox? thx
[10:03] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu is a bot...
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <xenol> hak5fan: lol
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: It's an extension check https://addons.mozilla.org
[10:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> ok thx
[10:04] <hak5fan> xenol: yes he's a bot I found out.........
[10:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech do u happen to know the name? or possible names for the extension?
[10:05] <hak5fan> but somone could have called them ubotu to be funny........
[10:05] <DaSkreech> Nope :)
[10:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx tho =)
[10:05] <DaSkreech> LjL: ok Here goes
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hey Da
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech.  meeting.
[10:06] <hak5fan> does anyone... apart from the bot know how I download source files from a cvs repo
[10:07] <|Shadow|> uhh
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Ah
[10:07] <|Shadow|> my monitors are set to 1024x768
[10:07] <|Shadow|> my hardware is set to 1024x768
[10:07] <|Shadow|> my desktop is scrollable, why?
[10:07] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, :D
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Ha ha That still happens?
[10:07] <|Shadow|> yea :(
[10:07] <DaSkreech> hak5fan: install cervesia
[10:07] <hak5fan> ok
[10:10] <hak5fan>  cervesia is not in the repos
[10:11] <Jucato> !info cvs | hak5fan
[10:11] <ubotu> cvs: Concurrent Versions System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.12.13-3 (edgy), package size 1607 kB, installed size 3528 kB
[10:11] <Lil_Eagle> Hey, I just noticed that my Desktop Preview and Pager works with Beryl!
[10:12] <Lil_Eagle> It didn't work in 3.5.5
[10:12] <hak5fan> Jucato:  ok
[10:12] <Jucato> Lil_Eagle: one of the changes in 3.5.6
[10:13] <Lil_Eagle> Cool.  I noticed a few other little things, but that was one that was bugging me.
[10:13] <Lil_Eagle> ha ha, bug bugging me.
[10:14] <Jose> Hi all, does anyone know a good "how to" to install kubuntu from the internet? (No cd in my old laptop)
[10:14] <djwilcox> just installed kubuntu on my mac but no sound
[10:15] <djwilcox> says kmix not running
[10:15] <djwilcox> do i have to select an output device for the audio
[10:17] <djwilcox> the sound keys dont seem to work on my keyboard
[10:17] <djwilcox> did i set up the keyboard layout wrong
[10:19] <Balsamic_Chicken> what is the firefox addon that will let it tell websites that i'm running on windows rather than kubuntu
[10:20] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: not sure (as I don't use Firefox), but look for something called Browser Identification or User Agent
[10:20] <Lil_Eagle> Chicken what happens if you use konqueror and have it identify as mozilla?
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato oo cool, thx alot
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato just found it, thx =)
[10:22] <djwilcox> are their any issues with the sound on g4 powerbooks and kubuntu 6.10
[10:22] <djwilcox> does kmix control sound in kubuntu
[10:22] <DaSkreech> User Agent! That's it!
[10:24] <DaSkreech> djwilcox: Yes
[10:24] <djwilcox> kmix controls the sound output
[10:24] <djwilcox> and u have to choose from a drop down menu
[10:26] <blekos_> any ideas why kcontrol is not accessible from the kmenu?
[10:26] <blekos_> but need to write on shell?
[10:26] <waylandbill> darn good question
[10:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato sorry to ask, (don't know where to search for this), but im' trying to watch http://creative.myspace.com/VOD/24/index.html , and after using user-agent, it asks me to download move media player, which is a *.exe file, is there anyway to install this?
[10:27] <waylandbill> wouldn't matter if all was available in the system configurations
[10:27] <blekos_> xcatly
[10:27] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: sorry, like I mentioned earlier... don't use Firefox...
[10:27] <Jucato> I don't use Firefox
[10:27] <Lil_Eagle> Too complicated?  Replaced with System Settings.  Add it yourself.
[10:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato cool thx tho =)
[10:28] <blekos_> the thing is that it used to be among with other menus and submenus such configurations etc
[10:28] <blekos_> sometimes i am getting really frustrated with linux
[10:28] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato what do u use? maybe i'll just switch to that
[10:28] <blekos_> it seems i do the same thing [installation]  and getting different resutls
[10:28] <waylandbill> i just do alt-f2, kcontrol... but I rarely have to to be honest.
[10:28] <Jucato> konqi
[10:29] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool i'll try that out
[10:29] <Lil_Eagle> It's not KDE moving the kcontrol, it's kubuntu.  Just add a new menu item and put it in.
[10:30] <waylandbill> I had firefox blow up three times today on a gigantic api document with many links... konq displayed it wonderfully.
[10:30] <vbgunz> using ps aux | grep '[n] ame' how can I kill a certain application by pid?
[10:30] <djwilcox> in the sound system prefs - hardware it says it audio device autodetect
[10:30] <blekos_> how can i restart kicker?
[10:30] <djwilcox> but i dont have any sound
[10:30] <Jucato> blekos_: if it's still running, press Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[10:31] <Lil_Eagle> yeah, look at www.myspace with firefox and then with konq.  It's not the same!
[10:31] <Jucato> blekos_: if it isn't running, Alt+F2, "kicker"
[10:31] <Lil_Eagle> oops.  www.myspace.com
[10:31] <vbgunz> heh
[10:31] <vbgunz> retarded, never tried kill
[10:31] <blekos_> o i c, i'm installing kde 3.5.6 ;)
[10:31] <waylandbill> Lil_Eagle: not the same meaning better or worse?
[10:32] <Lil_Eagle> blekos, Beryl works much better with it.
[10:32] <waylandbill> vbgunz: you can use Ctrl-Esc to bring up the process table and kill from there as well.
[10:33] <frojnd> !k3b
[10:33] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[10:33] <vbgunz> waylandbill: thanks, but using several different profiles of Firefox doesn't exactly show me the offending one, it seems I can only find it with px aux *unless* I am missing a column :|
[10:34] <scooter> hi can someone help me install adobe flashplayer onto my system please
[10:34] <blekos_> btw i am also dealing with a rather strange problem. I try to install new dictionaries in oo but the wizard window is sawn half its original size and i'mnot allowed to resize it!!!
[10:35] <scooter> i need to know how to navigate to the files in the terminal
[10:35] <Jucato> !flash | scooter
[10:35] <ubotu> scooter: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:35] <ubotu> scooter: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:35] <scooter> ok thanks
[10:36] <msdlk45> sul8er
[10:37] <djwilcox> can anyone tell me how get the sound working
[10:37] <djwilcox> di use kmix or the sound system prefs
[10:38] <ciro> guys who can tell me a nice program similar to windows live messanger?
[10:39] <|Shadow|> hmm ok this is starting to frustrate me, seriously how do i stop this from making my desktop scrollable
[10:39] <Lil_Eagle> ciro gaim
[10:39] <Jucato> djwilcox: kmix is a mixer/volume control. sound settings are in System Settings (afaik)
[10:39] <Jucato> ciro: Kopete
[10:40] <Lil_Eagle> jucato, yeah, you're right.
[10:40] <|Shadow|> i can't use linux with my entire desktop being scrollable, lol
[10:41] <djwilcox> thanks afaik - do i select from the drop down menu for the audio output
[10:41] <|Shadow|> seriously wheres the setting to switch this stupid scrolling desktop off
[10:41] <Jucato> |Shadow|: what desktop scrolling?
[10:42] <|Shadow|> its like my desktop is bigger than my screen
[10:42] <|Shadow|> and when i move my mouse to the top, the desktop scrolls up
[10:42] <Lil_Eagle> Try beryl and let your windows wobble or burn!
[10:42] <|Shadow|> same for left\right\down too
[10:43] <|Shadow|> yea im gonna get beryl soon as i got my 2 monitors working properly without this scrolly stuff :S
[10:43] <Lil_Eagle> I had that scrolling with debian.  It's xorg.conf messed up.
[10:43] <|Shadow|> well, i have no clue how to edit xorg.conf
[10:43] <|Shadow|> shall i pastey it?
[10:43] <Jucato> |Shadow|: in your xorg.conf, try looking for a line that says "virtual" and comment/disable that or configure X to remove resolutions that are higher than your max resolution
[10:43] <Jucato> !xconfig | |Shadow|
[10:43] <ubotu> |Shadow|: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[10:43] <Lil_Eagle> I can try.  ATI card right?
[10:43] <|Shadow|> yea
[10:44] <Lil_Eagle> let me see.
[10:44] <Jucato> !pastebin | |Shadow|
[10:44] <ubotu> |Shadow|: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:44] <wedgeV> when i want to google something in konqueror it pops up a dialog asking me if it should open the URL with firefox or save as...
[10:45] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle http://www.pastey.net/5721
[10:45] <Jucato> wedgeV: in Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations, make sure that .html files are associated with Konqueror
[10:45] <|Shadow|> Jucato its a bit more complicated than re running xserver, because im useing 2 monitors.
[10:45] <webben> I'm trying to compile webkit QT on Kubuntu with the 2nd snapshot of KDE4
[10:45] <Jucato> wedgeV: and Embedding is set to KHTML
[10:45] <wedgeV> thanks Jucato
[10:46] <webben> Does anyone know how to get the webkit build process to think qmake-qt4 is qmake?
[10:47] <blekos_> could u tell me if u have exactly the same on ur kmenu [if u havent altered it]  1.Graphics 2. Internet 3. Multimedia 4.Office 5.System 6. Utilities 7.add/remove 8.find 9.help 10. system settings -actions-run , switch, lock,log out
[10:48] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, I'm not sure but I think it's the line:  Option  "Video Overlay" "on"
[10:48] <|Shadow|> blekos_ you have stuff missing i think
[10:48] <blekos_> i know, but want to check it
[10:48] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle what should i change it to?
[10:48] <JmGV> is anyone using kubuntu amd64 bits?
[10:48] <blekos_> could u pls tell me how to "add" them?
[10:49] <JmGV> it seems not to be as well finished as the 32bits one
[10:49] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, remove that line and restart X.  See if it changes (you can always add it back).
[10:49] <JmGV> even third party have their drivers more unstable that 32 bits
[10:49] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle ok :)
[10:49] <JmGV> the same for Xfree
[10:49] <Lil_Eagle> Also note that mine shows Video RAM and UseFBDev
[10:49] <JmGV> it doesnt work easily
[10:50] <blekos_> any ideas pls
[10:50] <Lil_Eagle> I used to.  Switched back to 32.
[10:50] <JmGV> the X11 xorg.conf configuration is not very good
[10:50] <JmGV> do you think i should swap to 32?
[10:50] <the_hammer> any wireless laptop users that use pcmia cards??
[10:50] <JmGV> if i am looking for stability
[10:50] <Lil_Eagle> jmGV depends on what you do with the computer.
[10:50] <frojnd> Temp3:       +72C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = thermistor  !! what is Temp3 ??
[10:51] <Lil_Eagle> Stabitly is same, compatibity is a different issue.
[10:51] <the_hammer> seeking out anyone that has a laptop that uses pcmia NetGear WG511
[10:51] <the_hammer> if this is you pls answer
[10:51] <JmGV> i make software
[10:51] <|Shadow|> uhh, how do i edit xorg.conf
[10:52] <|Shadow|> the file system seems to be diffrent here, i can't get above home
[10:52] <|Shadow|> i did sudo gedit xorg.conf is that the right thing? :)
[10:52] <Lil_Eagle> jm, compiling might be faster with 64 bit, but not much...
[10:52] <JmGV> well i will try 64
[10:52] <JmGV> lets see
[10:53] <Lil_Eagle> you have gedit?  That's ubuntu (gnome) but it's my favorite editor.
[10:53] <JmGV> use vi
[10:53] <JmGV> i am sure you have it
[10:53] <|Shadow|> yea i have it, ubuntu came with gnome but i switched
[10:53] <the_hammer> Jm if ya have a 64 the 32 will run faster :)
[10:53] <|Shadow|> im not really worried about which editor i use i just wanna get linux up and running properly :)
[10:53] <Lil_Eagle> sudo gedit /etc/apt/X11/xorg.conf
[10:53] <|Shadow|> so uhh, i edited the xorg.conf in /home/shadows
[10:53] <condor> hi @ll
[10:53] <JmGV> the_hammer:
[10:53] <|Shadow|> lol ok
[10:54] <JmGV> i am thinking about to install debian, instead *ubuntu
[10:54] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle opens up a blank file
[10:54] <devin_> anyone running feisty ?
[10:54] <the_hammer> mepis beta is pretty cool is what im running here
[10:54] <Lil_Eagle> Duh, forget the apt...
[10:54] <JmGV> but debian doesnt detect my ethernet card
[10:54] <Lil_Eagle> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:54] <the_hammer> what kinda card?
[10:54] <JmGV> a broadcom
[10:54] <the_hammer> gigabyte?
[10:54] <|Shadow|> yea found it
[10:55] <|Shadow|> woa this ones alot diffrent to the one i had open
[10:55] <the_hammer> mepis might be able to
[10:55] <|Shadow|> i was viewing the wrong xorg.conf lol
[10:55] <the_hammer> i have a gigabyte card and it detected it
[10:55] <Lil_Eagle> when toy restart x you'll lose everything open...
[10:55] <JmGV> wow, i must test it
[10:55] <the_hammer> beta 4 is 1 i got
[10:55] <JmGV> the problem i have with linux is that i spend too much time configuring and reconfiguring... i need the time to develop
[10:55] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle www.pastey.net/5723
[10:56] <Lil_Eagle> Mepis is Kubuntu Dapper tweaked.  Debian is *buntu made harder.
[10:56] <|Shadow|> thats the right xorg.conf :)
[10:56] <the_hammer> lol
[10:56] <JmGV> anyway i hate windows, so... i have no choice
[10:56] <the_hammer> im with ya there man
[10:57] <the_hammer> im currently having probs with my lappy i have wireless card but cant get er goin
[10:57] <JmGV> :-) sometime i have the feeling as i was always fixing linux
[10:57] <Lil_Eagle> shadow that file is signicantly different.  There's tons of monitor resolutions in it.
[10:57] <JmGV> well, wireless is a nightmare
[10:57] <the_hammer> hell ya at it 3 days so far
[10:57] <|Shadow|> yea :S
[10:57] <|Shadow|> so what should i do?
[10:57] <the_hammer> goin on 4
[10:57] <Lil_Eagle> jm, you're right.
[10:57] <JmGV> i am happy having my graphics card and my wire network
[10:57] <Lil_Eagle> shadow, where did the first one come from?
[10:58] <the_hammer> kubuntu dont like my card
[10:58] <|Shadow|> home/shadows
[10:58] <the_hammer> vid card that is
[10:58] <|Shadow|> this one came from /etc/X11
[10:58] <manu_> hi
[10:58] <the_hammer> kubuntu is ok BUT i cant stand a 600x800 with a 21inch monitor
[10:58] <the_hammer> thats just wrong
[10:58] <webben> is there going to be a new KDE4 snapshot for Kubuntu any time soon, and if not, does any know a howto for building a newer qt4/kde4 snapshot?
[10:58] <the_hammer> lol
[10:58] <JmGV> what is curious it that my kubuntu detect the card but it doesnt work. I mean, if you type iwconfig, you can see it, but it doesnt work
[10:59] <JmGV> the_hammer :D
[10:59] <the_hammer> i have a saphire x550
[10:59] <the_hammer> 256mb
[10:59] <Lil_Eagle> the last one is the one that xorg is using.  That's what your problem is.  I can't tell you for sure that it will work, but I would suggest:
[10:59] <dettoaltrimenti> where can I see how much space is left on my hard drive?
[10:59] <manu_> i wnated to download a big directory of a ftp server (900files and a lot of fodlers) konqueror always stops @ 22kb, then i wnated to do it in terminal with "ftp" but it wont work, i dont understand the manual and google cant help me cause ftp is a common word
[10:59] <Xif> Is it true that KDE tries to be more customizable, while Gnome strives for simplicity?
[10:59] <manu_> can you help me plz?
[10:59] <JmGV> i can made my graphics card works donwloading drivers from nvidia web page, but even doing that i must touch xorg.conf sometimes
[10:59] <HymnToLife> dettoaltrimenti, df -h (in a terminal)
[11:00] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle you would suggest...?
[11:00] <the_hammer> lol
[11:00] <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp ~/xorg.conf /etc/X11
[11:00] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks
[11:00] <|Shadow|> you want me to type that?
[11:00] <webben> maybe ii need to ask in kubuntu-dev
[11:01] <JmGV> manu_ ftp protocol doesnt allow you to download recursive folder
[11:01] <JmGV> you can do it using some application
[11:01] <JmGV> try nc
[11:01] <Lil_Eagle> paste it, and pray that it works.  If you get a blank screen then hit ctrl-alt-f1 and put the old one back.
[11:01] <manu_> JmGV: so with ftp i can only download file after file (and upload file after file)?
[11:02] <manu_> JmGV: whats nc?
[11:02] <fribuntu> Hi all
[11:02] <|Shadow|> "cp: cannot stat `~xorg.conf': No such file or directory"
[11:02] <JmGV> if you use the true ftp client, yes
[11:02] <manu_> hi fribuntu
[11:02] <SSJ_GZ> webben:There's a guide for compiling KDE4 from svn, I'll try and find it.
[11:02] <JmGV> nc is a software
[11:02] <JmGV> if you want to upload/download folders using ftp, you must use a client that do it for you
[11:02] <manu_> JmGV: yes the "true" ftp client for terminal
[11:02] <Lil_Eagle> your home folder is /home/shadows right?
[11:02] <fribuntu> Does anyone know how to "force" install a package without getting its dependencies also installed?
[11:02] <webben> SSJ_GZ, I really need to compile so that I can just use it compile something ... don't want to mess up the rest of my system.
[11:02] <|Shadow|> yes it is
[11:02] <JmGV> ftp doesnt do it
[11:02] <JmGV> i must restart
[11:03] <webben> So like the released Kubuntu snapshots really.
[11:03] <JmGV> come back soon
[11:03] <manu_> JmGV: what about gftp is it able to do it?
[11:03] <JmGV> gftp is a graphics client
[11:03] <JmGV> it should work
[11:03] <JmGV> but in the same way that konqueror does
[11:03] <SSJ_GZ> webben:That's fine - it's installed into the home directory of a separate user account.
[11:03] <webben> ah cool
[11:03] <SSJ_GZ> webben:You simply delete it when done.
[11:03] <JmGV> gftp is a gnome application, you can test it because perhaps the konqueror problem is something with kde libs
[11:03] <JmGV> try it
[11:03] <JmGV> came back soon
[11:04] <manu_> JmGV: konqueror stops strangely @ 22KB downloaded files, i had no problem to downsload 53mb of files via ftp but it was less files
[11:04] <php-freak> how do i run a ip whois on linux again?
[11:04] <SSJ_GZ> webben:http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version
[11:04] <php-freak> duh whois
[11:04] <php-freak> lol
[11:04] <webben> SSJ_GZ, wicked thanks :)
[11:04] <[MuKKinA] > ehm.. sorry anibody speak italian?
[11:04] <SSJ_GZ> webben:np - good luck!
[11:05] <|Shadow|> !it
[11:05] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:05] <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:05] <[MuKKinA] > tnx |Shadow|
[11:05] <|Shadow|> woot, i helped someone lol
[11:06] <|Shadow|> "cp: missing destination file operand after `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.old'"
[11:06] <|Shadow|> "Try 1cp --help' for more information."
[11:06] <Jucato> |Shadow|: what was the exact command you entered?
[11:06] <Lil_Eagle> oh gee.  do it in 2 commands then.
[11:07] <|Shadow|> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:07] <|Shadow|> ok
[11:07] <Jucato> |Shadow|: you mistyped
[11:07] <Lil_Eagle> wait, that's not right...
[11:07] <|Shadow|> same error, missing destination file :P
[11:07] <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:07] <Jucato> |Shadow|: <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:08] <Lil_Eagle> just copy and paste it.
[11:08] <Jucato> :)
[11:08] <|Shadow|> ok it said nothing this time
[11:09] <|Shadow|> so i assume that worked :)
[11:09] <Lil_Eagle> bye...
[11:09] <Dasnipa`> maybe
[11:09] <|Shadow|> and i had to change /home/xorg.conf to /home/shadows/xorg.conf
[11:09] <Lil_Eagle> hit ctrl-alt-bksp
[11:09] <|Shadow|> still 2 screens, scrollable lol
[11:09] <tamacracker> Does anyone know the name of the applet that looks up themes on the internet for you? and you can download em?
[11:09] <Lil_Eagle> you're back that fast?
[11:10] <|Shadow|> yea i have a relatively fast box :)
[11:10] <slyfox> Anyone knows anything about networking with windows box?
[11:10] <kidko> Has anybody else had their X server crash to a black screen?
[11:10] <tamacracker> Does anyone know the name of the applet that looks up themes on the internet for you? and you can download em?
[11:11] <tamacracker> kidko did you do the latest update? with edgy?
[11:11] <slyfox> Why is it that I cannot delete files properly form windows, I have mounted with full read and write permission my windows box and whenever I try to delete a large file, say 600mg, it kind of hangs as if deleting for Linux means pulling the file from windows box to linux box and then deleting. Can I delete fiels straight from windows box via CIFS mounting ?
[11:11] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I do a quick restart with linux? ctrl+something?
[11:11] <Jucato> tamacracker: hm... it's not really an applet. it's KHotNewStuff
[11:11] <tamacracker> maybe?...
[11:11] <tamacracker> all i know i open it, and it looks up the latest themes
[11:12] <tamacracker> a long with background.
[11:12] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, I can tell you the problem lies with your xorg.conf file, but exactly what to put in it or take out of it to fix your problem I can't say.
[11:12] <kidko> tamacracker: Yes, I think I just updated it yesterday.
[11:12] <Lil_Eagle> sorry
[11:12] <tamacracker> kidko the update ruined my X as well
[11:12] <|Shadow|> dam :(
[11:12] <kidko> Do you have it fixed, or are you running it text only too?
[11:13] <Lil_Eagle> slyfox, search the forums.  Plenty of info there.
[11:13] <Lil_Eagle> dett:  you can restart x with ctrl-alt-bksp
[11:14] <|Shadow|> is there any way to zoom in and out on ubuntu?
[11:15] <kidko> tamacracker: Do you know any way to fix it, or am I just stuck?
[11:15] <|Shadow|> that would solve the problem if i could zoom out a bit
[11:15] <tamacracker> kidko... im sorry i had to actually reinstall X because I couldn't go online to ask for help.
[11:15] <Lil_Eagle> shadow, I don't think so.  reconfigure your video card.
[11:16] <|Shadow|> :(
[11:16] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu: !video drivers
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <|Shadow|> i don't know how, i only installed a few days ago
[11:16] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu: !ati
[11:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:16] <|Shadow|> -.-
[11:16] <kidko> tamacracker: how did you reinstall? Through apt-get or anther way?
[11:16] <|Shadow|> you sent me there a few hours ago, and i told oyu i've allready installed them
[11:16] <|Shadow|> i've been sent there atleast 20 times now, starting to get annoying.
[11:17] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu: !reconfigure video
[11:17] <tamacracker> lol i literally used the Live CD, and just reinstalled the whole operating system