[00:48] <phillw> belak: there is a community built 64bit version available.
[01:01] <phillw> belak: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu
[04:27] <bU1337Pr00f> I just have a single question. Does Lubuntu support 64 bit architectures or is it only 32 bit? I was confused that there was only one .iso file to download off the site.
[04:28] <KM0201> bU1337Pr00f: the 64bit version (for now) isn't officially part of Lubuntu (a community port, of a community port..)... at last i think thats how it is.
[04:29] <Unit193> bU1337Pr00f: There is a community edition at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu
[04:30] <bU1337Pr00f> So there won't be official support for 64 bit until the release of 11.10?
[04:31] <poltak_> No modern processors even support 64bit yet, so why would you even care unless you were running a supercomputer? :P
[04:31] <poltak_> (which I'm assuming you're not)
[04:32] <KM0201> bU1337Pr00f: far as i know, that is correct, but Unit193 would know better than i
[04:32] <bU1337Pr00f> poltak: then what is ia64 and x86_64?
[04:33] <poltak_> ia64 is itanium thingy... not really a common processor
[04:33] <bU1337Pr00f> True, but x86_64 if very common.
[04:33] <poltak_> x86_64 is for further advanced machines (not commercial)
[04:40] <bU1337Pr00f> well thanks for the answer. I'll leave a spot in my CD wallet for when Oneiric comes out.
[04:41] <poltak_> np
[04:41] <Unit193> poltak_: That is totally wrong. 64bit supported processors VERY common...
[04:41] <Unit193> +are
[04:42] <poltak_> Unit193: Okay Tron :P
[04:44]  * jgould has two 64 bit processors
[04:45] <jgould> they are x86_64's
[04:46] <poltak_> Ergh, you guys are imbeciles. Going back to my work.
[04:46] <bU1337Pr00f> I run a dual-core 64bit, that's why I asked.
[04:46] <Unit193> bioterror Howdy hoho!
[04:48] <canthus13> bU1337Pr00f: Which OS?
[04:48] <bU1337Pr00f> Right now Ubuntu Natty.
[04:48] <canthus13> bU1337Pr00f: 32 or 64?
[04:48] <bU1337Pr00f> 64
[04:48] <canthus13> :)
[04:49]  * canthus13 runs 32 on most of his machines, just for compatibility's sake, but runs Debian 64 on his servers with 64 bit processors.
[04:49] <bU1337Pr00f> I was thinking of shit canning it and switching to Gentoo, but it takes too long.
[04:50] <bU1337Pr00f> I was running Gentoo on my server. Old beat up Celeron 466. Takes 9 hours to complie the kernel...
[04:54] <canthus13> Heh.  That's why I stick with Debian for my servers.. precompiled, and works fine.  I was running it quite nicely on a 500mhz P3 with 128mb ram.. until I 'upgraded' the CPU and killed it, anyway... :/
[04:57] <bU1337Pr00f> That's why I like Gentoo. I can control just about everything. My next project is LFS.
[04:58] <canthus13> I've worked on and off with an LFS install in a VM for a while.... It's tedious.
[04:58] <canthus13> It's way more annoying than a stage one install.
[04:58] <bU1337Pr00f> Yeah... it's mento to be
[04:58] <canthus13> It's like making your own legos, then building a house with them.
[04:59] <bU1337Pr00f> I build houses too. ^_^ Don't use Legos though. Well logging off chan. Thanks for the info guys.
 Ergh, you guys are imbeciles. Going back to my work.        # This is disrespectful.  Please read and follow the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.  Channel guidelines are expected to be followed, see /topic
[05:07] <poltak_> jmarsden: ignored
[05:07] <jmarsden> phillw: Around?
[05:09] <bioterror> jmarsden, may I help?
[05:11] <bioterror> ;up
[05:27] <bioterror> why this uses nick ban :D
[05:28] <Unit193> \o/
[05:30] <bioterror> ;lurk
[05:30] <bioterror> ;part
[05:30] <DragonEyes> Error.  The syntax for that command is: part <channel>
[05:30] <bioterror> ;part #lubuntu
[05:30] <jgould> Heh
[05:38] <bioterror> ;up
[05:40] <bioterror> ;lurk
[09:36] <bioterror> silverarrow, did you order aeropress? :)
[09:54] <silverarrow> no
[09:54] <silverarrow> not yet
[09:55] <silverarrow> ...one minute...
[09:56] <silverarrow> ordered
[09:56] <silverarrow> :-)
[09:57] <silverarrow> in 4 or 5 days I might have it
[10:00] <silverarrow> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Aerobie-Aeropress-Coffee-Maker-EXTRA-350-Filters-/180583115335?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Food_SM&hash=item2a0b97aa47#ht_1565wt_982
[10:00] <silverarrow> this one
[10:00] <silverarrow> are there serveral versions?
[10:05] <silverarrow> I like coffee gadgets
[10:05] <silverarrow> especially if the work
[10:13] <silverarrow> i tried to order this one before, but the seller turned out not to allow bidders outside UK
[10:34] <bioterror> :)
[10:34] <bioterror> I've enjoyed my ;)
[10:34] <bioterror> mine even
[10:40] <silverarrow> thanks for thip, I look forward to getting it
[11:11] <stlsaint> Sup folks
[11:22] <Daxwax> g'day
[12:41] <jarnos> How can you set autostarted applications in lubuntu natty?
[12:44] <bioterror> easily
[12:44] <bioterror> :)
[12:45] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[13:24] <jarnos> bioterror, I tried that, but the item (for pidgin) is not chown in the list
[13:25] <jarnos> bioterror, I could not find the documentation via lubuntu.net, btw.
[13:26] <jarnos> bioterror, if it was easy, there would not be faq ;)
[13:29] <jarnos> ^^^shown
[13:32] <bioterror> you dont have pidgin.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[13:57] <jarnos> bioterror, yes I have an I copied it to ~/.config/autostart
[14:31] <jarnos> bioterror, xchat.desktop does affect the list, when I copied it.
[14:39] <SpaceBack> hi !
[14:40] <SpaceBack> i need the lubuntu alternate cd,i just cant find it
[14:52] <Daxwax> I guess he found it =)
[15:06] <mimilus_> plop
[15:06] <mimilus_> Is there a place to find an iso for lubuntu 10.04 ? not a torrent please !
[15:07] <mimilus_> How amount of memory does lubuntu eat by default ?
[15:07] <phillw> mimilus_: yes the link in the topic has all the methods of getting lubuntu
[15:09]  * mimilus_ is opening eyes
[15:09] <phillw> mimilus_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu
[15:09] <mimilus_> ah ok, thank's
[15:10] <mimilus_> the iso are live cd like standart ubuntu CDs ?
[15:10] <phillw> 128Mb is about the minimum for lubuntu
[15:10] <phillw> yes
[15:10] <mimilus_> ok thank's
[15:11] <phillw> just bear in mind the 'check cd' does not work on 10.04 (Save you thinking it was a corrupt download / burn)
[15:12] <mimilus_> ok thank's , at the end of the install, just before reboot ?
[15:13] <phillw> sorry?
[15:13] <mimilus_> check cd does not work, in the menu after boot ?
[15:14]  * mimilus_ 's trying to connect synapses
[15:15] <phillw> yes, you need to manually verify it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/10.04
[15:15] <mimilus_> so I'll see it , that's it ?
[15:15] <mimilus_> ok thank's
[15:53] <jarnos> Can someone add pidgin to autostarted applications?
[15:54] <stlsaint> jarnos: you can on your install ;)
[15:54] <jarnos> stlsaint, like how?
[15:55] <Unit193> jarnos: Is that what you want to do? There is a sweet wiki page telling you how: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[15:57] <jarnos> Unit193, for some reason it does not work for pidgin.desktop in Natty.
[15:59] <Unit193> jarnos: You're talking about program launch on login?
[16:00] <jarnos> Unit193, I can't see pidgin in Desktop Session Settings dialog even if I copy pidgin.desktop to ~/.config/autostart
[16:13] <jarnos> Unit193, it is strange, since I can add xchat to autostarted in similar way, actually it shows enabled in the dialog, if I copy the respective file.
[16:16] <jarnos> Even if not shown in the dialog, pidgin gets autostarted in login.
[16:16] <Unit193> jarnos: That does seem a little odd...
[18:22] <home-alone> hi....what are the system requirements for Lubuntu...???
[18:43] <mikedep334> home-alone: with 10.04 at least, basically any computer with 128MB of RAM
[18:44] <mikedep334> eg, you could use a 300 mhz CPU if you had to
[18:44] <mikedep334> a video card that can do 1024x768 would be safe
[18:44] <faaar> hello
[18:44] <mikedep334> keyboard + mouse, stuff like a trackball should work too
[18:44] <mikedep334> home-alone: oh, at least 3GB of HDD space or so
[18:44] <faaar> someone can help me?how can i install skype on lubuntu 11.04?
[18:45] <mikedep334> faaar, I know that if you install the ubuntu software center you can install it from the "canonical partners"
[18:45] <mikedep334> let me see if there's a direct way
[18:46] <mikedep334> faaar: can you try running: sudo software-properties-gtk
[18:46] <faaar> i ll try
[18:46] <mikedep334> if it works, go to the "other software" tab
[18:47] <mikedep334> and enable the partner repository (not the one with source code)
[18:47] <faaar> yes
[18:47] <faaar> now what?
[18:47] <mikedep334> if that works, open up synpatic package manager
[18:47] <mikedep334> hit "reload" or whatever in the top left
[18:47] <mikedep334> and search for skype
[18:47] <mikedep334> select it
[18:47] <mikedep334> hit install
[18:48] <mikedep334> it should then install
[18:48] <Unit193> mikedep334: You really should use gksudo with GUI apps!
[18:48] <mikedep334> Unit193: ahh, thanks
[18:50] <faaar> it works,thanks mikedep334
[18:50] <mikedep334> faaar: glad to be of help!
[18:50] <mikedep334> run a test call though
[18:51] <home-alone> does Lubuntu uses only LXDE as DE...???
[18:51] <mikedep334> home-alone: you can add other desktop environments if you want
[18:51] <mikedep334> I'm almost definite you chose between them at the login prompt
[18:51] <mikedep334> it's part of LXDM
[18:51] <mikedep334> LXDE Display Manager
[18:52] <mikedep334> eg, you can install the "ubuntu-desktop" package to get gnome
[18:52] <home-alone> but then it will nomore Lubuntu...???
[18:52] <Unit193> Don't forget about the openbox
[18:52] <home-alone> "L"in lubuntu is LXDE
[18:52] <mikedep334> then went prompted, chose to stick with lxdm as the display manager
[18:53] <mikedep334> home-alone: Lubuntu uses LXDE, Ubuntu uses gnome. Whichever one you start out with doesn't matter too much.
[18:54] <mikedep334> AFAIK, if you're switching between GNOME & LXDE, the only real difference between Ubuntu & Lubuntu is the artwork on bootup & the display manager
[18:54] <mikedep334> just keep in mind that installing Ubuntu-Desktop will install ALL the standard GNOME Ubuntu packages
[18:54] <mikedep334> it will take up a lot of space
[18:55] <mikedep334> and GNOME apps will use up more memory than LXDE (or regular GTK) apps in general
[18:55] <home-alone> I will go with default Lubuntu . I have a fairly old pc its PII with 256 ram and 20 gb HD
[18:56] <Unit193> Ubuntu went Unity, so not so much gnome ;)
[18:57] <mikedep334> home-alone: Ubuntu 10.04 should run great on there
[18:57] <home-alone> no ubuntu 10.04 is pretty slow on it
[18:57] <mikedep334> Ubuntu 11.04 used up like 256MB for me out-of-box, but I think there may have been something wrong or a hardware-specific memory usage issue.
[18:58] <mikedep334> Ubuntu 11.04 should defniitely run on it though
[18:58] <Unit193> mikedep334: s/Ubuntu/Luubuntu ?
[18:58] <mikedep334> home-alone: do not expect 11.04 to be significantly faster than 10.04 though
[18:58] <mikedep334> Unit193: my bad
[18:58] <mikedep334> Lubuntu
[18:59] <mikedep334> *Lubuntu 11.04 used up like 200-250 MB of RAM for me out-of-box for some reason, but I think there may have been something wrong...
[18:59] <mikedep334> home-alone: you might want to try the 'midori' web browser if web browsing goes slow
[18:59] <mikedep334> also, try not run too many apps at once (but that's generic advice)
[19:00] <mikedep334> also, here's the latest version of midori: https://launchpad.net/~midori/+archive/ppa
[19:00] <mikedep334> let me know if you need help installing it from the PPA
[19:00] <Unit193> I have heard good things about arora too (Midori is a great browser, if a little buggy)
[19:00] <mikedep334> Unit193: haven't tried it
[19:01] <mikedep334> I know many people are using epiphany too, it's lightweight now that it uses webkit
[19:02] <mikedep334> Unit193: Arora uses QT though, QT would take up some extra memory on his system
[19:04] <Unit193> mikedep334: Yeah... That is the downside. I personally use midori
[19:06] <mikedep334> Unit193: yup
[19:07] <mikedep334> I mainly know about this stuff for when I am helping people with old systems
[19:07] <mikedep334> I use firefox or chome myself
[19:07] <mikedep334> *chrome
[19:08] <Unit193> Chrome? Not Chromium?
[19:11] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[19:12] <kosaidpo> anyone know a good app to convert files to mp4 ??
[19:16] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: assuming you mean apple mp4 files, then handbrake should do a good job
[19:16] <mikedep334> Unit193: I use Chrome. I am also on Windows most of the time (ie, now)
[19:17] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: thanks ill try it now ,btw i mean an application by app : D
[19:17] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: np, every body knows application = app
[19:18] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: what (L)ubuntu release are you on?
[19:18] <mikedep334> here's the PPA for Lucid and older
[19:18] <mikedep334> https://launchpad.net/~handbrake-ubuntu/+archive/ppa
[19:18] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: 11.04
[19:19] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: ahh, good
[19:19] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: but its not availabe tho :P
[19:19] <mikedep334> handbrake-gtk is the package you want, it's in the default repositories
[19:19] <mikedep334> hmm
[19:19] <kosaidpo> i have to add the repo mikedep334
[19:19] <mikedep334> maybe I got it from another repo
[19:20] <kosaidpo> ohh okies no console version ?? i wud like it if its lighter n faster
[19:20] <Unit193> !info handbreak-gtk
[19:20] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: oh, there should be handbrake-cli
[19:20] <mikedep334> I assumed you weren't fluent with the CLI
[19:21] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: im not tho but ilike to use it :D
[19:21] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: getdeb has handbrake-gtk & handbrake-cli
[19:21] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: cool
[19:21] <kosaidpo> so i can be fluent in the future
[19:21] <mikedep334> the PPA is only for lucid and older
[19:21] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: ohhh okies
[19:22] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: http://www.getdeb.net/software/HandBrake
[19:22] <mikedep334> looks like you'll have to add the entire getdeb repo
[19:23] <mikedep334> that link does not include the handbrake-cli package
[19:23] <mikedep334> http://www.getdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/11.04/?q=handbrake
[19:23] <mikedep334> see the "Click here to learn how to install application from getdeb"
[19:23] <kosaidpo> i dont mind addin the getden repo i have already the game one :D
[19:23] <mikedep334> follow the instructions, and then you should be able to find handbrake-cli in synaptic
[19:24] <Unit193> or apt-get ;)
[19:24] <mikedep334> Unit193: or "sudo aptitude install handbrake-cli"
[19:25] <mikedep334> I for one will mourn the loss of aptitude on the ubuntu-desktop CD
[19:25] <Unit193> I won't as I use apt-get full time
[19:25] <mikedep334> Unit193: gotcha
[19:25] <mikedep334> I have a ton of trouble whenever I try to use the interactive mode of aptitude
[19:25] <Unit193> mikedep334: Have you looked at pastebinit? That's one program I want by default
[19:26] <mikedep334> but the command line mode (if that is the correct term) has more feature than apt-get
[19:26] <mikedep334> try entering "aptitude " then hitting tab
[19:26] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: i use apt-get too :D
[19:26] <mikedep334> Unit193: no, sounds cool though
[19:27] <Unit193> mikedep334: lspci |pastebinit | usage :D
[19:27] <kosaidpo> guys icant add the deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps using the cmmd line ??
[19:27] <mikedep334> for example, try "aptitude search <part-of-package-name>"
[19:27] <kosaidpo> i mean with apt-add-repo
[19:27] <mikedep334> Unit193: ahh! good test case.
[19:27] <Unit193> mikedep334: apt-cache search lala
[19:27] <Unit193> mikedep334: Maybe we should take this -offtopic...
[19:28] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: use sudo dpkg -i <getdeb-.deb-file-name>
[19:28] <mikedep334> or double click the getdeb repository-adding deb
[19:28] <mikedep334> in case that works
[19:28] <mikedep334> Unit193: I'm about to head out
[19:29] <kosaidpo> miked yeh i kno it will im jst curious how to add a non launchapd repo using the console for ex this one sudo apt-add-repository deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps
[19:29]  * kosaidpo this does work
[19:29] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: in case you don't know, you do need to use sudo
[19:30] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: what ?? i use this ---> sudo apt-add-repository deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps  BUT its not wokin
[19:30] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: the line "deb http://arhive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps" needs to be entered in software-properties-gtk
[19:31] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: so thers no way to do it via the console ?
[19:31] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: it's a different syntax
[19:31] <mikedep334> let me look it up
[19:31] <kosaidpo> k
[19:32] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: apt-add-repository is only for PPA's it sounds like
[19:32] <mikedep334> try running just:
[19:33] <mikedep334> sudo deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps
[19:33] <mikedep334> then the 2nd command they tell you to for the signature
[19:33] <kosaidpo> not workin
[19:33] <kosaidpo> :P
[19:35] <mikedep334> hmm
[19:35] <mikedep334> the deb command does not exist
[19:35] <mikedep334> oh, ok
[19:35] <mikedep334> run:
[19:35] <mikedep334> sudo apt-add-repository http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps
[19:36] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: this one doesnt work
[19:36] <mikedep334> kosaidpo: for reference, I looked this up by running: apt-add-repository --help
[19:36] <mikedep334> hmm
[19:38] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: yesh :P
[19:38] <mikedep334> got it!
[19:38] <mikedep334> sudo apt-add-repository 'http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps'
[19:38] <mikedep334> for reference
[19:39] <mikedep334> you chould probably put the original line (beginning with 'deb') into a file like /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:39] <mikedep334> Unit193: how do you echo a line into a file with >> when you need to use sudo?
[19:39] <kosaidpo> okies thanks
[19:40] <mikedep334> I thought it complains about permissions
[19:40] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: even i already did it using the gui :P
[19:40] <Unit193> mikedep334: I just use sudo nano
[19:40] <mikedep334> Unit193: yeah, me too
[19:40] <kosaidpo> mikedep334: i guess sudo echo "hello" > filename
[19:40] <mikedep334> I just want to avoid making typing mistakes at times
[19:40] <bioterror> no
[19:40] <bioterror> two arrows
[19:40] <Unit193> Doesn't that clear the file?
[19:40] <bioterror> when you want to append
[19:41] <mikedep334> yeah, two arrows is append
[19:41] <mikedep334> one arrow is overwrite
[19:41] <mikedep334> make sure you use the correct one!
[19:41] <kosaidpo> yeh sorry need to add 2 arrows
[19:41] <bioterror> Kurdistan, 6-1!! :D
[19:42] <mikedep334> sudo echo deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:42] <mikedep334> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: permission denied
[19:42] <Kurdistan> bioterror, I didnt get you.
[19:42] <bioterror> mikedep334, uou forgot " "
[19:42] <mikedep334> bioterror: no difference
[19:43] <bioterror> Kurdistan, you watch only football?
[19:43] <mikedep334> sudo echo "deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu natty-getdeb apps" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:43] <mikedep334> same error
[19:43] <Kurdistan> bioterror, almost, you talk about hocky?
[19:43] <bioterror> Kurdistan, ya!
[19:43] <Kurdistan> finland against sweden?
[19:43] <bioterror> ya!
[19:44] <Kurdistan> :) okey now I understand
[19:44] <Kurdistan> grattis
[19:45] <Kurdistan> how is lubuntu shaping up?
[19:45] <mikedep334> ok, I'm off to play with my eee pad transformer at starbucks at the mall
[19:45] <mikedep334> last weekend I was there with my viewsonic gtablet, after talking to an apple store employee for a bit he encouraged me to apply for a job at the apple store
[19:46] <mikedep334> Kurdistan: I didn't get a chance to play with it too much; I installed it on a machine with either a failing HDD & DVD drive, or a failing storage controller
[19:46] <Kurdistan> mikedep334, I see. better luck later then.
[21:04] <d3vl1n> hi all
[21:45] <semitones> hey you guys
[21:45] <semitones> i'm running lubuntu from USB, and it's not detecting my wifi card that it should detect (texas instruments acx)
[21:53] <szczur> i guess tiacx modules were removed form kernel around ubuntu 9.10. You'll have to use windows drivers with ndiswrapper.
[21:53] <szczur> http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-kernel-team/273818-ubutu-karmic-module-acx-dropped.html
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> I am looking for advice on how to make an iso bootable from grub2 without installing the iso
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> I understand lubuntu has been modified to allow this, but can not find documentation of how to do this
[22:47] <bodhi_zazen> anyone here able to shed some light on the question ?
[22:50] <Unit193> bodhi_zazen: You're asking about changes to the ISO? That's best for jmarsden, gilir or maybe even bioterror
[22:50] <Unit193> ISO Building that is
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> Well, it will probably be changes to the initrd ...
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> but yes
[22:56] <Unit193> You may need to hangout for a while...
[23:14] <Unit193> Do you have any idea what file it might be in?
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> Well, to boot an iso you use a config for grub2 that loop mounts the iso
[23:17] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: lubuntu have only been very recently the tools for ubuntu official builds
[23:18] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: in the past, the devs were using their own system.
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> http://forums.zenix-os.net/viewtopic.php?p=2759#p2759
[23:19] <phillw> by the way, hello bodhi_zazen, master. Quiet I may be, listen I do :)
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> So I can loop mount my zenix iso, but I am getting a kernel panic
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo phillw =)
[23:20] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: jmarsden would probably be the best to help you on that issue.
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> so my kernel loads, it runs initrd (the init in the rd) , but then when it goes to pass off the root fs -> panic
[23:23] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: as you well know, I'm an admin not a dev. get a hold of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanMarsden and have a chat to him, he is a really good guy and well skilled.
[23:26] <semitones> hey phillw how's it going?
[23:27] <phillw> semitones: after yesterday, waking with a pulse was good :) Things are okay. How are things with you?
[23:28] <Unit193> Had a little spam there...
[23:28] <semitones> whoa, intense :)
[23:28] <semitones> things with me are pretty ok -- just struggling a little with installing lubuntu to my dad's old laptop
[23:29] <semitones> are you on lubuntu right now?
[23:31] <phillw> semitones: nope, it is on my to do list, once I have the database recovered for my parents' company. Which has so far taken 3 days. It will either go well, or fail massively.
[23:31] <semitones> good luck!
[23:32] <phillw> semitones: what is the problem?
[23:33] <semitones> phillw, lubuntu doesn't automatically detect my old wifi card
[23:33] <semitones> it looks like the drivers were dropped from the kernel
[23:33] <semitones> so I was wondering if lubuntu had ndiswrapper installed automatically
[23:34] <phillw> semitones: As we use the standard WiFi that comes with the ubuntu family, if it works on ubuntu and not on lubuntu then it is a bug that needs checking.
[23:35] <semitones> phillw, I'll boot ubuntu and verify -- I'm using 10.10 by the way, 11.04 won't boot at all (it might be a bad .iso
[23:35] <semitones> )
[23:37] <phillw> semitones: as I am running 9.10 ubuntu as they managed to 'improve' things and break my 3G device, sometimes things go well, some times there are regressions. We adapt :)
[23:37] <semitones> yeah
[23:37] <mikedep334> semitones: you know how to check the burnt CD?
[23:37] <mikedep334> it's in the boot menu
[23:37] <semitones> mikedep334, hehe, about that
[23:38] <semitones> it fails the same way if I choose "test cd" or "install"
[23:38] <semitones> actually, let me try it on a newer computer
[23:38] <mikedep334> semitones: try one of the F6 options I think
[23:38] <phillw> semitones: depends on which version of lubuntu you are using :)
[23:38] <mikedep334> there should be some options like "disable acpi"
[23:38] <semitones> mikedep334, you think that will work?
[23:38] <mikedep334> semitones: yes, it's worked for me in the past
[23:39] <mikedep334> especially on older PC's
[23:39] <mikedep334> fiddle with those hardware compatibility options
[23:39] <mikedep334> well, not older PC's, but still
[23:42] <semitones> ok
[23:42] <semitones> dang this time the bootlogo is taking a long time to come up
[23:43] <semitones> yuck, it froze trying to load bootlogo
[23:43] <semitones> blinking cursor syndrome
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> While I am here ...
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: do you mind if I post a link to my custom iso ?
[23:44] <Unit193> bodhi_zazen: I'm guessing you could in #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[23:45] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: not at all, my friend. and if you wish a secondary link for it, I will happily post it to my server,
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> http://zenix-os.net/screenshots.html
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> Downloads : http://zenix-os.net/download.html
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: If you would be willing to mirror those , that would be fantastic
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> PM me the url and I will add it to the downloads page
[23:47] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: I will get bioterror to upload them to my server. but, as Unit193 pointed out - rules are rules and we 'should' be on #lubuntu-offtopic. Heck, we do train them well :)
[23:51] <Unit193> phillw: I wasn't sure if linking to other distros was allowed in here...
[23:54] <phillw> Unit193: officially it should have been done on -offtopic, however all rules are made with the sole intent of being broken. And to have that 'rule' broken by such a fantastic guy is, to me, a honour.


[16:53] <IdleOne> he does have a point
[16:53] <Pici> I'm glad it was an intelligent question.
[16:53] <IdleOne> just saying it is FUD makes us look like we are trying to hide something
[16:53] <IdleOne> that too
[16:53] <Pici> Aye
[16:54] <DJones> Maybe a factoid for it needs thinking through, if I wasn't cooking tea, I'd have a look for the links
[16:55] <IdleOne> !adlens
[16:55] <IdleOne> that is almost a complete answer
[17:09] <DJones> Are their any independant comments on the issue? If RMS says one thing on his blog, Mark says the opposite on his blog, just counteract each other, something independant would probably be better
[17:11] <DJones> Just think that if somebody believes RMS, they won't believe a Mark Shuttworth response
[17:11] <IdleOne> the FSF blogged about it in a less sensational way. both sides have good points. I think it isn't our job to convince the reader.
[17:11] <IdleOne> just pass on the info and let them decide
[17:16]  * DJones waits for Bradley Manning's spam/comments in #u
[17:46] <Pici> I see we've told rawrmonster a few times to ask in #python
[17:47] <IdleOne> yeah, wastrel is helping him out though and I could have gone to ##windows
[18:29] <Myrtti> oh dear me, I'm trying to log into Ubuntuforums but this whole thing is so complicated I can't make heads or tails
[18:29] <Myrtti> IRC is great, doesn't necessarily require passwords and the only person responsible for them is me myself
[19:08] <genii> @comment 56398 Reviewed, habitual offender, not lifted.
[20:16] <bazhang> ugh
[20:16] <bazhang> arch user asking for help in #ubuntu
[20:53] <El_Naciente> hi
[20:58] <genii> El_Naciente: Is there some issue you need to discuss with ubuntu channel moderators?
[20:59] <El_Naciente> genii I just want to make friends
[21:00] <Myrtti> that's nice, perhaps you could read the topic of this channel though?
[21:00] <Myrtti> !topic
[21:00] <genii> El_Naciente: Contrary to what bastidrazor may have told you, this channel is not to make friends in. It is for people to discuss their bans from channels or other behaviour.
[21:01] <genii> El_Naciente: For casual conversations, please visit #ubuntu-offtopic channel instead.
[21:01] <El_Naciente> genii ok gracias
[21:02] <genii> El_Naciente: Also please note the part of this channel topic which says: "Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with."
[21:02] <genii> Heh.


[03:13] <ahoneybun> hey gsilvapt
[03:13] <ahoneybun> amd wxl
[03:13] <Unit193> What?  No love for me?
[03:14] <ahoneybun> sorry
[03:14]  * ahoneybun hugs Unit193
[03:14] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:14] <Unit193> Hah.
[03:15] <ahoneybun> tbh I doubt they would have answered anyway
[03:15] <ahoneybun> at this time
[03:15] <ahoneybun> Unit193: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-manual/trunk
[03:15] <Unit193> > make.bat
[03:16] <ahoneybun> yes?
[03:18] <ahoneybun> it is to use "make html" and such very easy
[03:18] <ahoneybun> Unit193: current work: http://imgur.com/zojWdrx
[03:19] <Unit193> Mhmm, the usual sphinx docs.
[03:24] <ahoneybun> yep lol
[03:25] <ahoneybun> I'm working on the installation guide that I started working on my own
[03:26] <ahoneybun> so much infomation
[20:07] <ianorlin> bug 1466191
[20:07] <ianorlin> happen both for a vm and on real hardware
[20:58] <ianorlin> hmm I don't get this on installs with unity
[20:58] <ianorlin> wxl ^^
[20:58] <Unit193> Because unity uses unity-greeter?
[20:59] <ianorlin> hmm what other flavors should I try Xubuntu  mate?
[21:00] <Unit193> Right.  Note that there was a major greeter release: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0.1-1ubuntu1
[23:01] <ianorlyn> hmm it doesn't do it on installed versions after upgrading


[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.11.0-1009.9] (core)
[08:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (groovy-proposed/main) [5.8.0-1029.31] (core)
[08:47] <jibel> SRU team: could you release gnome-shell from focal-proposed and review/approve the version in unapproved? or is there anything blocking the migration?
[08:49] <jibel> RAOF, bdmurray ^
[10:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [5.8.0-1029.31]
[10:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [5.11.0-1009.9]
[10:32] <sil2100> juliank, laney: hey! We have a lunch reservation around the time of the meeting so we need to get there in time, I'll try to join via my phone but it might be a later
[10:32] <laney> sil2100: ah no the time isn't fixed, just move it some time else
[10:32] <sil2100> Ok!
[10:32] <sil2100> Would a bit later be fine?
[10:33] <laney> yeah like 15:30 UTC would be OK
[10:33] <laney> check my calendar, I have some other stuff this afternoon
[10:33] <laney> but after that is cool
[10:42] <laney> sil2100: I need to do +1 hour from when you picked
[10:46] <laney> (moved it)
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova (bionic-proposed/main) [2:17.0.13-0ubuntu1 => 2:17.0.13-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gke-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1045.47~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1045.47~18.04.1]
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nfs-utils (hirsute-proposed/main) [1:1.3.4-4ubuntu2 => 1:1.3.4-4ubuntu2.1] (core)
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[12:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-10-cross (groovy-proposed/main) [11ubuntu1 => 11ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
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[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-10-cross-mipsen (groovy-proposed/universe) [3+c1 => 3+c1ubuntu1] (no packageset) (sync)
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[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross (groovy-proposed/universe) [23ubuntu1 => 23ubuntu2] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-12 [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [1:12.0.0-3ubuntu1~21.04.1]
[12:53] <doko> fyi,I just accepted the llvm-toolchain-12 binary NEW packages for hirsute-proposed, stuck there since May 25
[12:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross-ports (groovy-proposed/universe) [21ubuntu1 => 21ubuntu2] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross-mipsen (groovy-proposed/universe) [4+c2ubuntu4 => 4+c2ubuntu4.1] (no packageset) (sync)
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[14:01] <utkarsh2102> ubuntu-archive: hey, can you please take a look at LP: #1931257 & process its removal, whenever you have time? TIA!
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9 [sync] (hirsute-proposed) [9.4.0-1ubuntu1~21.04]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9-cross [sync] (hirsute-proposed) [24ubuntu2]
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9-cross-ports [sync] (hirsute-proposed) [22ubuntu2]
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-9-cross-mipsen [sync] (hirsute-proposed) [4+c2ubuntu5.1]
[15:37] <bdmurray> jibel: It looks like some of the bugs fixed in the focal SRU are also being fixed in the groovy SRU and the groovy SRU isn't fully verified. Ideally we don't want people upgrading to encounter a regression. Are there plans to verify gnome-shell for groovy?
[15:42] <lucasmoura_> Hi bdmurray we have a SRU ready for ubuntu-advantage-tools: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1929597
[15:42] <lucasmoura_> Let me know if you need us to provide any additional details for it
[15:49] <laney> xnox: did you see if the kernel tests are more stable / better on bos02?
[15:58] <bdmurray> lucasmoura_: I'm reviewing it now
[15:58] <lucasmoura_> thanks bdmurray
[16:00] <bdmurray> lucasmoura_: +        # Some packages upgrade may require a reboot
[16:00] <bdmurray> not blocking but I think that'd read better as "package upgrades"
[16:01] <lucasmoura_> bdmurray, indeed. I will fix it before the next release
[16:03] <jibel> Trevinho, hey, regarding bdmurray's comment can you verify gnome-shell in groovy, so it can be released?
[16:03] <Trevinho> ok
[16:06] <jibel> thanks
[16:06] <bdmurray> I'm here all day so ping me and I'll get it released!
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (hirsute-proposed) [27.1~21.04.1]
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (groovy-proposed) [27.1~20.10.1]
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [27.1~20.04.1]
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (bionic-proposed) [27.1~18.04.1]
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [27.1~16.04.1]
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added heat-dashboard to openstack in bionic
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added magnum to openstack in bionic
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-aodhclient to openstack in bionic
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-blazarclient to openstack in bionic
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-neutron-lib to openstack in bionic
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added heat-dashboard to openstack in focal
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added magnum to openstack in focal
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-aodhclient to openstack in focal
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-blazarclient to openstack in focal
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-neutron-lib to openstack in focal
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-aodhclient to openstack in groovy
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-blazarclient to openstack in groovy
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-neutron-lib to openstack in groovy
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-aodhclient to openstack in hirsute
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-blazarclient to openstack in hirsute
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-neutron-lib to openstack in hirsute
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-aodhclient to openstack in impish
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-blazarclient to openstack in impish
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added python-neutron-lib to openstack in impish
[16:36] <xnox> laney:  yes.
[16:37] <xnox> laney:  i also notice lack of updates on the rt tickets
[16:37] <laney> xnox: indeed, julian_k took an action to push it on
[16:37] <laney> but we wanted to make sure we weren't lying about bos02 being good
[16:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (bionic-proposed/main) [2.525.54 => 2.525.55] (desktop-core)
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected livecd-rootfs [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.525.55]
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.525.55]
[17:13] <xnox> laney:  ack.
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spirv-llvm-translator [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [12.0.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spirv-llvm-translator [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/universe) [12.0.0-1] (no packageset)
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[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spirv-llvm-translator [armhf] (impish-proposed/universe) [12.0.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spirv-llvm-translator [s390x] (impish-proposed/universe) [12.0.0-1] (no packageset)
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (focal-proposed/main) [2:16.3.2-0ubuntu2 => 2:16.3.2-0ubuntu3] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (hirsute-proposed/main) [2:18.0.0-0ubuntu2 => 2:18.0.0-0ubuntu2.1] (openstack)
[18:18] <coreycb> hi bdmurray, if you have a chance today the neutron uploads to focal/hirsute have a patch revert due to a regression in neutron that is high impact
[18:25] <bdmurray> coreycb: looking now
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (hirsute-proposed) [2:18.0.0-0ubuntu2.1]
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (focal-proposed) [2:16.3.2-0ubuntu3]
[18:51] <coreycb> thanks bdmurray
[19:23] <lucasmoura_> Hi bdmurray I just saw that the focal version of ubuntu-advantage-tools is marked as: Not touching package due to block request by freeze
[19:23] <lucasmoura_> Is there something we can do from our side to unblock this ?
[19:37] <bdmurray> lucasmoura_: every stable release of ubuntu should have all packages blocked by freeze
[19:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pacemaker [source] (focal-proposed) [2.0.3-3ubuntu4.3]
[19:38] <bdmurray> lucasmoura_: for example https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/hirsute/update_excuses.html every package has those words
[19:40] <lucasmoura_> bdmurray, thanks for the context. So nothing to worry about, right ?
[19:41] <bdmurray> lucasmoura_: yes, those words are nothing to worry about
[19:42] <lucasmoura_> got it, thanks bdmurray
[19:51] <Trevinho> bdmurray: done with groovy
[19:55] <bdmurray> Trevinho: Thanks! I'll have a look.
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-dell300x [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.15.0-1020.24] (no packageset)
[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-intel [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [5.11.0-1005.5] (no packageset)
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-intel [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.11.0-1005.5]
[20:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-dell300x [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1020.24]
[21:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtbase-opensource-src-gles [source] (hirsute-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-3ubuntu1]
[21:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtbase-opensource-src [source] (hirsute-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-5ubuntu1]
[21:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vala-panel-appmenu [source] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg1-1ubuntu0.1]
[22:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vala-panel-appmenu (focal-proposed/universe) [0.7.3+dfsg1-2 => 0.7.3+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1] (ubuntu-mate)
[22:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (focal-proposed) [3.36.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vala-panel-appmenu [source] (focal-proposed) [0.7.3+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1]


[18:56] <Beldar> jkhl, I have asked this as in 7 years of using linux, I have rarely had to install out if the repos, but that is my experience is all. When  ask this question 75% or more had no clue that it was in the repo.
[19:00] <joseph07> Using 12.04 64 bit I recently started having issues playing youtube videos in both chromium and firefox. Video plays for a few moments without audio and then the tab freezes (firefox dies). Possibly useful info is that chromium reports libGL error: open uki failed (Operation not permitted)
[19:04] <hsnopi> offhand, is there an ubuntu server chatroom?
[19:05] <daftykins> yes
[19:05] <Pici> hsnopi: #ubuntu-server, oddly enough ;)
[19:05] <hsnopi> man, that would have been a rough guess
[19:05] <hsnopi> thanks
[19:09] <Fuchs> hsnopi: just in general for future searches: you can search for channels with alis, see /msg alis help list. /msg alis list *searchterm* looks for channel names containing searchterm. /msg alis list * -topic *searchterm* looks for channel topics containing searchterm.
[19:09] <hsnopi> Fuchs: goo to know. thanks:)
[19:09] <hsnopi> good
[19:09] <Fuchs> you're welcome :)
[19:12] <juliohm> I have a USB card similar to this one: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v3/505933490_1/DIY-Blank-Plastic-font-b-Credit-b-font-font-b-Card-b-font-Size-2GB-4GB.jpg
[19:12] <juliohm> The device appears as /dev/sdc on the system, I've created a rule for it under rule.d/, but I'm not able to mount it.
[19:13] <juliohm> What can be the source of the issue? I'm out of ideas
[19:14] <MarcN> juliohm, it is probably formatted as vfat all on /dev/sda (not the usual /dev/sda1).  Try from the commandline:   sudo mount /dev/sdc /mnt
[19:15] <jasabella> so my understanding of the release cycle is that packages you install with apt-get will be the same version as those found on your distribution version's iso, just with updates from ubuntu?
[19:15] <juliohm> MarcN, it's exactly that command that doesn't work
[19:15] <juliohm> mount: no medium found on /dev/sdc
[19:15] <MarcN> juliohm, for debugging also try:   sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc
[19:16] <MarcN> juliohm, what does cat /proc/partitions says?  Maybe it isn't /dev/sdc
[19:16] <juliohm> MarcN, no output for fdisk
[19:16] <MarcN> juliohm, info also found in "dmesg"
[19:16] <juliohm> let me check /proc/partitions
[19:16] <juliohm> MarcN, it's not listed in /proc/partitions
[19:16] <MarcN> juliohm, I had one similar from some tradeshow swag once.
[19:17] <MarcN> juliohm, unplug it.  plug it back and then do dmesg
[19:17] <juliohm> yes, this card was from an event my advisor went to
[19:17] <juliohm> I did it already, let me check it again
[19:18] <l_h_o_u> Xubuntu 14.04, i find a file in home "Core". I removed it but he comeback everytime. Thanks :)
[19:18] <juliohm> MarcN, dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/MF6RsiST
[19:19] <juliohm> The udev rule I've tried is...
[19:19] <juliohm> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="090c", MODE="0666"
[19:19] <juliohm> As this is the idVendor showing on dmesg
[19:19] <MarcN> juliohm, should be /dev/sdc
[19:19] <juliohm> yes
[19:19] <juliohm> and the file is create in /dev
[19:20] <juliohm> I can ls /dev
[19:20] <juliohm> and it's there
[19:20] <juliohm> I just can't mount it
[19:20] <MarcN> juliohm, and what about      sudo fdisk /dev/sdc        show?
[19:20] <joseph07> [A
[19:20] <juliohm> MarcN, fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdc: No medium found
[19:20] <MarcN> juliohm,  I've never had to muck with udev for mass storage devices
[19:21] <juliohm> MarcN, I did played with udev for my cell phones
[19:21] <juliohm> It worked for two phones I had
[19:21] <MarcN> juliohm, hmm.  yeah for MTP phones and android hacking...
[19:21] <juliohm> exactly
[19:22] <juliohm> This is the official channel for Ubuntu users?
[19:22] <daftykins> yes
[19:22] <juliohm> It's so low traffic, it's strange
[19:22] <OerHeks> l_h_o_u, that file named core, is a coredump for Apport > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/10616
[19:22] <dj_> Anybody using dropbox in ubuntu here?
[19:23] <daftykins> juliohm: hah, that's probably more down to freenode having issues today. it does get manic in here 24/7
[19:23] <MarcN> juliohm, hmm, I've had USB disk present as both a CD and a HD.  Both /dev/sr1 and /dev/sdx showed up when plugged in.  Are there other unknown /dev/ devices?
[19:23] <juliohm> MarcN, let me check...
[19:23] <MarcN> juliohm, anything show up on the side of nautilus filemanager when plug in/out?
[19:24] <dj_> Why does dropbox ask me to restart nautilus?
[19:24] <MarcN> juliohm, trick:     ls /dev/* > x.x ; plug in the device; ls /dev/*  > y.y ; diff x.x y.y
[19:24] <juliohm> MarcN, I'm actually running KDE
[19:24] <juliohm> let me do the diff trick
[19:25] <dj_> anyone know Why does dropbox ask me to restart nautilus?
[19:25] <OerHeks> dj_, after install ?
[19:25] <dj_> after turning on the computer
[19:25] <MarcN> dj_, probably reload some shared library
[19:26] <dj_> So is it normal?
[19:26] <juliohm> MarcN, sg3 is also created when I plug the card
[19:26] <MarcN> dj_, should be one time needed (until dropbox upgrades again)
[19:26] <MarcN> juliohm, try mounting that.  May be read only
[19:26] <juliohm> let me see...
[19:26] <dj_> MarcN: Thanks
[19:26] <bekks> MarcN: srX indicates a read only device, not a cdrom in particular.
[19:27] <n1n0> installing gdm on 14.04 disabled the ubuntu load
[19:27] <juliohm> MarcN, mount: /dev/sg3 is not a block device
[19:27] <Poultra> allo toi
[19:27] <n1n0> had this problem with 13.10: http://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[19:27] <n1n0> and also now on 14
[19:28] <n1n0> yet, in 13 after gdm installation, could access, now no
[19:28] <cipher___> I'm running ubuntu server and connecting from windows via ssh. It seems the more data streamed the quicker the connection fails. (forwarding x11 takes seconds), editing files minutes, idling: hours.
[19:28] <juliohm> MarcN, the strange thing is that this device is also being recognized on Windows as if it was a fast storage device
[19:28] <cipher___> well, tens of minutes
[19:28] <juliohm> MarcN, I used it in the past as a simple pendrive
[19:28] <cipher___> It seems to be a software issue, not the network
[19:28] <juliohm> MarcN, it worked fine without these fast access interface Windows is trying to use
[19:29] <juliohm> not today
[19:29] <Poultra> moi?
[19:29] <MarcN> juliohm, strange.  It should work...
[19:29] <Beldar> !english | Poultra
[19:29] <Poultra> unbunrtui is french ?
[19:30] <cipher___> Wes hāl?
[19:30] <Poultra> ubottu is french music-me ok?
[19:30] <juliohm> thanks for the help MarcN
[19:30] <Poultra> me.
[19:30] <juliohm> I'll simply try another card in the future, it may be a hardware issue too
[19:30] <Beldar> !fr | Poultra
[19:30] <Poultra> I Am drink intel:ligetnr
[19:31] <dj_> My youtube videos does not play as smoothly as in windows, does anyone have a similiar problem?
[19:31] <dj_> Is it the flash player or the video card driver?
[19:31] <cipher___> dj_ do you have accelerated graphics enabled?
[19:32] <Poultra> me
[19:32] <cipher___> dj_: try switching to the html5 player instead, too
[19:32] <dj_> cipher___, I dont know how to do that. Sorry I am new to ubuntu
[19:32] <Poultra> me 1970
[19:32] <cipher___> youtube.com/html5
[19:32] <Poultra> me
[19:32] <Poultra> ok cipher
[19:32] <dj_> cipher____ how  do you turn on the accelerated graphics?
[19:33] <Poultra> dj
[19:33] <dj_> yeah poultra
[19:33] <Poultra> i am french
[19:33] <Poultra> dj_ ca va
[19:33] <Poultra> ok
[19:33] <dj_> Poultra, So?
[19:33] <Poultra> me
[19:33] <Poultra> soy logique
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> !fr
[19:34] <Poultra> y tu dj
[19:34] <Poultra> ok
[19:34] <Poultra> unholycrab
[19:34] <bekks> Poultra: Do you have a specific ubuntu support question?
[19:34] <alesan> hey how can I disable ALL special visual effects?
[19:34] <Poultra> Beldar
[19:34] <cipher___> I do
[19:34] <Poultra> bekks
[19:35] <Poultra> i have 44
[19:35] <Poultra> no i have support
[19:35] <Beldar> alesan, What release and desktop?
[19:35] <alesan> Beldar, normal ubuntu 14.04
[19:35] <Poultra> me
[19:35] <alesan> as it comes on the CD
[19:36] <Poultra> me
[19:36] <bekks> Poultra: So start asking an ubuntu related support question pleasae.
[19:36] <Poultra> become
[19:36] <Beldar> alesan, Thanks just pertinent info for help. ;)
[19:36] <Poultra> Beldar
[19:36] <Poultra> yes
[19:36] <alesan> Beldar, what do you mean? I just installed, I have not changed the desktop or anything
[19:36] <Poultra> what is becaome
[19:36] <pete___> need help
[19:36] <alesan> I just want the visual effects to be gone forever
[19:36] <Poultra> a supporter quesrtion
[19:37] <Poultra> me
[19:37] <pete___> my login pass word
[19:37] <gas-sho> je suis une petit singe avec une penis poilu et je deteste la fromage!
[19:37] <Poultra> ok
[19:37] <gas-sho> sorry
[19:37] <bekks> !ops | gas-sho
[19:37] <Beldar> alesan, What I meant was there are multiple desktops, and releases, and we never know if the use says ubuntu that they are using unity, details are the key here.
[19:37] <gas-sho> i shall english
[19:37] <Poultra> all
[19:37] <gas-sho> hey bekk dont be mean
[19:38] <Poultra> me?
[19:38] <NGC3982> I shallt English, me fair maiden!
[19:38] <gas-sho> :P
[19:38] <bekks> gas-sho: So watch your language please.
[19:38] <gas-sho> ok
[19:38] <pete___> i have forgot it is there any way i can log in
[19:39] <MarcN> pete___, you have physical access to the system? Is the disk unencrypted?
[19:39] <alesan> Beldar, how do I find out?
[19:39] <Beldar> pete___, You can reset the password in a recovery root shell.
[19:39] <alesan> I am normally a KDE user, I installed this 32bit Ubuntu on a virtual machine for some reason, how can I disable the visual effects when I open a window?
[19:39] <pete___> ok can u help me with that
[19:39] <Beldar> alesan, Not sure I have not used unity for awhile
[19:40] <pete___> please
[19:40] <Beldar> pete___, http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[19:41] <Beldar> pete___, Do not plead, this info is all over the wen.
[19:41] <Beldar> web*
[19:58] <Frizziero77> hi all, guys
[19:59] <Frizziero77> anybody available for a little question?
[20:00] <Frizziero77> i have Ubuntu 14.04LTS 64bits installes, but i need to pass to the 32bits version
[20:00] <Frizziero77> is it possible to do that using do-release-upgrade command?
[20:03] <Frizziero77> anybody there?
[20:03] <IdleOne> Frizziero77: no, you must reinstall if you want to use 32bit version
[20:04] <Frizziero77> oh, thanks IdleOne.... i'd like to avoid to download and burna disk for this operation.... too bad :(
[20:13] <jhutchins> What tool(s) is/are used in 14.04 to control daemon startup?
[20:16] <aarcane> jhutchins, upstart + service
[20:17] <aarcane> jhutchins, the release was getting prepped too soon to switch to systemd
[20:18] <jhutchins> aarcane: What do I use instead of chkconfig?
[20:19] <jhutchins> aarcane: ...or rcconf?  I installed sshd, but it wasn't in the list of Services in the GUI config menu, so I couldn't turn it off from there.
[20:19] <aarcane> I've heard of chkconfig, but never used it.  it's an archaic and barbaric tool.  You'll have to either ask someone else (they'll respond soon enough if they know) or be more specific
[20:19] <aarcane> try service sshd stop; or service ssh stop;
[20:20] <jhutchins> aarcane: chkconfig manages the symlinks in the rc?.d directories to enable/disable dameon start/stop in various runlevels.
[20:20] <jhutchins> aarcane: I don't mean start/stop, I mean enable/disable at start/stop.
[20:21] <jhutchins> aarcane: I'm not sure what tool to use with upstart.
[20:22]  * jhutchins ibeing dragged kicking ans screaming into the 21st century.
[20:22] <ThatGuy> hey
[20:22] <ThatGuy> how to I stop xubuntu starting when I turn on my server
[20:22] <ThatGuy> I installd to use when I need a Graphics internface
[20:22] <aarcane> jhutchins, I haven't done it in a while, but this article from google looks right:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/how-to-enable-or-disable-services
[20:23] <k1l_> !text | ThatGuy
[20:23] <jhutchins> ThatGuy: figure out whether you have lightdm, gdm, xdm or whatever, use the article above to disable it.  Start/stop manually with the service command as required.
[20:24] <ThatGuy> thanks jhutchins
[20:26] <aarcane> I miss the olden days of well established runlevels :(
[20:37] <jhutchins> aarcane: The RH branch still uses 'em.
[20:38] <aarcane> jhutchins, the rh people also still use RPM.   :D
[20:41] <junkmechanic_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7671165/
[20:44] <alazyworkaholic> I need a little bash shell help. I recovered files and they're mixed with useless ones in many folders. I want to delete all image files less than a certain number of pixels. I found this command which will list the files.             find . -iname "*.jpg" -type f | xargs -I{} identify -format '%w %h %i' {} | awk '{if ($1<300 || $2<300) print $line}'
[20:44] <alazyworkaholic>              How to I adjust it to move the files to a temporary directory for inspection before deletion?
[20:44] <junkmechanic_> halberd, any help?
[20:48] <alazyworkaholic> Anyone proficient with BASH here?
[20:49] <junkmechanic_> alazyworkaholic, is bash a necessity? i would suggest python scripting
[20:49] <SchrodingersScat> alazyworkaholic: try stating your problem, someone might know, there is also #bash
[20:49] <SchrodingersScat> oh, you did
[20:50] <junkmechanic_> you can use os.walk() and then simple conditions for checking the size of the file...no biggie
[20:51] <aarcane> what's the ubuntu way to purge ubuntu host ssh keys for reimaging a system?
[20:51] <alazyworkaholic> junkmechanic: no, not necessary at all. Suggested bash because I have a command that does most of the job, but I'm not a programmer. (Working through python at CodeAcademy, but not there yet).
[20:54] <alazyworkaholic> Anyway, if someone knows how to pipe the command I wrote to mv "cmd_output", I'd much appreciate it.
[20:54] <junkmechanic_> guys...anyone up to glance at my grub install error pastebin ?
[20:54] <tolokoban_> @alazyworkaholic if you just need to move file that have less that a number of bytes, you can use this :
[20:54] <tolokoban_> find . -name '*.jpg' -type f -size -1024c
[20:55] <tolokoban_> The c suffix is for bytes.
[20:55] <tolokoban_> You can move such files like this :
[20:56] <alazyworkaholic> tolokoban: thanks, but it's actually important for me to do it by image dimension. And where in your command is the move-to direcotry?
[20:56] <tolokoban_> find . -name '*.jpg' -type f -size -1024c -exec mv {} ../garbage \;
[20:56] <alazyworkaholic> This will find the files. I just don't know how to delete them: find . -iname "*.jpg" -type f | xargs -I{} identify -format '%w %h %i' {} | awk '{if ($1<300 || $2<300) print $3}'
[20:56] <alazyworkaholic> or move them
[20:58] <alazyworkaholic> tolokoban: ok, I have very little idea of how to use bash, but do you think if I take that last bit of your command and add it to mine, it would work?
[20:58] <alazyworkaholic> find . -iname "*.jpg" -type f | xargs -I{} identify -format '%w %h %i' {} | awk '{if ($1<300 || $2<300) print $3}' -exec mv {} ../garbage \;
[21:01] <alazyworkaholic> tried this, but no good:
[21:01] <alazyworkaholic> ~/Desktop/RECOVERY ARCHIVE/IMAGES$ find . -iname "*.jpg" -type f | xargs -I{} identify -format '%w %h %i' {} | awk '{if ($1<300 || $2<300) print $3}' -exec mv {} ../garbage \;
[21:01] <alazyworkaholic> awk: cannot open -exec (No such file or directory)
[21:01] <alazyworkaholic> xargs: identify: terminated by signal 13
[21:02] <jkhl> when I try to extract a file which extracts correctly in windows, an apparently randomly named empty folder is created
[21:02] <jkhl> in lubuntu
[21:02] <jkhl> (and the files are nowhere to be found after the extraction 'completes')
[21:04] <tolokoban_> @alazy... Your command is perfect. Just add this to the end and you will have what you are looking for :
[21:04] <tolokoban_>  | xargs -I{} mv {} tmp/
[21:05] <netameta> is there a way to increase the lines showned in putty i mean i am at a point where the output of some code is bigger then my scroll screen - my question is there a way to increase that ?
[21:06] <FuuqUmiist> yeah
[21:07] <netameta> how ?
[21:07] <Kartagis> why would sudo service smbd start say failed to start?
[21:10] <netameta> fuuqumist thanks found
[21:16] <jhutchins> Kartagis:  Because the service failed to start.
[21:16] <kfpisa> hi
[21:17] <jhutchins> Kartagis: You might try testparm to see if your config is ok.
[21:17] <Kartagis> jhutchins: nothing in the logs, testparm says config file is okay
[21:21] <bonez2046> I need help transferring data from one machine (fyrenice <IP_ADDRESS>) over to another machine (knecht  <IP_ADDRESS>). What's the best tool to get this done?
[21:22] <halberd> why not just transfer them on a flash drive?
[21:22] <Kartagis> bonez2046: rsync
[21:23] <bonez2046> Kartagis: ok, can you point me to a tutorial?
[21:23] <bonez2046> or is it pretty simple?
[21:23] <Kartagis> man rsync
[21:24] <bonez2046> ok
[21:33] <phelix> Anyone know how i would go about getting the workspaces in the top bar at the top of the screen? instead of in the launcher bar? that make any sense
[21:33] <ObrienDave> Kartagis, or Grsync for a gui frontend
[21:35] <ByT3b0N3> hey guys, have installed gimp 2.8 from ppa on 12.04 but getting "segmentation fault" (nothing else). could one help?
[21:35] <ByT3b0N3> no working solution on internet
[21:35] <holstein> !ppa
[21:35] <chimeracoder> does anybody know why I might be getting " wlan0: deauthenticating from <MAC> by local choice (reason=3)" even if I have power management off?
[21:36] <holstein> ByT3b0N3: i would launch from terminal.. try as the guest user, or another user, or by removing/moving the user config. try the default supported version..
[21:36] <ByT3b0N3> 2.6 works
[21:36] <ByT3b0N3> but 2.8 not
[21:37] <holstein> ByT3b0N3: well, not 2.8 from that unsupported ppa..
[21:37] <ByT3b0N3> which one is supported?
[21:37] <ByT3b0N3> for 2.8
[21:39] <ByT3b0N3> ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
[21:39] <ByT3b0N3> this one i have
[21:43] <ominomi> hello. whenever i try to press shift  l, the ctrl r key is also triggered even though i'm not pressing it, and when i press shift r, the ctrl l key is triggered without me actually pressing it.
[21:43] <ominomi> i can't used the shift key for uppercase letters at all anymore
[21:43] <ominomi> *can't use the
[21:44] <JustSighDudes> Anyone dual boot on a yoga 2?
[21:48] <ObrienDave> ominomi, sounds like new keyboard time
[21:50] <ominomi> obriendave i hope not, i havent been using it that long
[21:50] <ominomi> this is what it looks like when i run it through the keyboard layout chart. the left shift key is the only one i'm pressing down http://i.imgur.com/kQscujP.png
[21:51] <ObrienDave> ominomi, might try changing keyboard layout
[21:52] <ominomi> ObrienDave, it does that for every layout iäve tried. iäm trying the swedish layout right now
[21:55] <ominomi> ObrienDave: Okay, I'm using my old worn out IBM keyboard right now. It doesn't seem to have this problem like the Logitech one does.
[21:55] <ominomi> It appears you were right that it is a keyboard-specific problem.
[21:56] <ominomi> Thanks.
[21:56]  * ObrienDave wonders if you might need a driver?
[21:57] <unholycrab> someone hath summoned me
[21:57] <unholycrab> (\/) ;; (\/)
[21:57] <unholycrab> and has cowered away
[21:58] <unholycrab> WHO
[21:58] <unholycrab> unacceptable
[22:12] <JustSighDudes>  /join #linux
[22:12] <JustSighDudes> Huh
[22:14] <blade57> hi all
[22:15] <blade57> im want to know where i can get the apache webserver
[22:15] <k1l_> blade57: install the apache package?
[22:15] <blade57> where do i get the
[22:16] <blade57> thank you by the way
[22:16] <k1l_> "sudo apt-get install apache2"
[22:16] <blade57> thank you
[22:16] <k1l_> !apache | blade57
[22:18] <MrSendova> You can also install components separatly but it depends on your needs (eg: do you need php or you will host only static content)
[22:18] <blade57> im trying to by pass my fire wall for work so i can stop it from happing
[22:19] <MrSendova> blade75: Can you explain more precisely?
[22:19] <blade57> i was reading on a form and one person was talking about using apachy and a script
[22:20] <blade57> we are having a problem with the dell sonic firewall at my work
[22:20] <blade57> me and my IT guy are trying to find ways around it so we can stop it in the future
[22:20] <MrSendova> blade57: Sorry I can't help you with that
[22:21] <histo> blade57: find ways around what?
[22:21] <blade57> where do you think a good chanel would be to help me with that
[22:21] <blade57> histo: the dell sonic firewall
[22:21] <babetyboo> quick question, anyone point me in the direction of how to install google chromoe on lxle?
[22:21] <babetyboo> from terminal?
[22:22] <k1l_> babetyboo: ask the lxle support how the recommended way is
[22:22] <MrSendova> using apt-get?
[22:22] <babetyboo> yeas please
[22:22] <MrSendova> you can install chromium with apt-get
[22:23] <babetyboo> what sudo apt-get googlechrome?
[22:23] <MrSendova> babetyboo: Chromium is the open-source version of chrome
[22:23] <yandexru> does ubotnet work to make winows xp bootable on usb?
[22:23] <babetyboo> yeah i got that, i want to make use of html5 though?
[22:24] <MrSendova> babetyboo: Chromium include those functionnality
[22:24] <MrSendova> babetyboo: In fact, all modern browsers do...
[22:25] <babetyboo> so then what is the best blogging tool for chromium?
[22:26] <babetyboo> incorporating html5
[22:26] <MrSendova> babetyboo: what CMS/Blog engine do you use?
[22:26] <babetyboo> im using wordpress.om but want to customize more
[22:27] <MrSendova> babetyboo: What do you want to customize?
[22:27] <babetyboo> mainly using the html5 templates found here http://html5up.net/
[22:28] <babetyboo> once i download the template how do i incorporate it in wordpress?
[22:28] <histo> blade57: use a proxy
[22:29] <MrSendova> babetyboo: I'm not a wordpress expert but if you want to add wordpress templates you have to find templates made for wordpress. Anyway, if you have more wordpress questions i suggest you to move to #wordpress or go google it
[22:29] <babetyboo> a proxy app?
[22:29] <k1l_> babetyboo: that is not a ubuntu or chromium question, that is a wordpress question
[22:29] <blade57> histo: we have most poxy blocked
[22:30] <histo> blade57: can you ssh out?
[22:30] <histo> blade57: what is it blocking exactly that you are trying to circumvent?
[22:30] <blade57> histo: some site but not most
[22:30] <k1l_> blade57: i would suggest you talk to your IT department about that
[22:30] <babetyboo> if you can point me in the riht direction i can take it from there to ssk out
[22:30] <MrSendova> blade57: Is using tor an option?
[22:31] <histo> blade57: sshuttle is a nice way out.
[22:31] <blade57> im working with my IT department but they don't know anything about linux so i told them i would see if i could get passed it using it now that it is gitting more press because of windows 8
[22:32] <blade57> not to say that a bad thing i love ubuntu
[22:32] <babetyboo> bingo!  shuttle is the way forward me thinks.  thanks blade
[22:33] <kingbeowolf> I have a software raid how can I improve performance?
[22:34] <blade57> histro: what is sshuttle
[22:34] <wolfy1339> i'm running server 14.04, and i'd like to enable coloring on the terminal, on debian it was colored by default, any way to change this
[22:35] <histo> !info sshuttle | blade57
[22:35] <k1l_> kingbeowolf: buy a real raid adapter
[22:36] <babetyboo> real raid adapter?  is what?
[22:36] <histo> wolfy1339: edit your .bashrc  and create an alias for ls pointing to ls --color=auto
[22:36] <kingbeowolf> k1l_, got any recommendations ?
[22:36] <kingbeowolf> I am using a software raid and i have 4 SSD disks and it isn't as fast as I would like
[22:36] <histo> wolfy1339: echo 'alias ls='ls --color=auto' >> ~/.bashrc && source ~/.bashrc
[22:37] <k1l_> kingbeowolf: no. but am sure the #ubuntu-offtopic will have recommendations if you explain your setup there
[22:37] <histo> wolfy1339: echo 'alias ls='ls --color=auto'' >> ~/.bashrc && source ~/.bashrc       <<< corrected typo
[22:37] <histo> kingbeowolf: software raid is not as fast as a raid controller. What type of raid do you have?
[22:38] <kcdehimposter> Hey guys I have a problem.  I just installed gnome, and didn't like it, so when I went to go uninstall it (I am on Ubuntu 13.10), it didn't go through all the way.  I am now try to run ubuntu, but it is very glitchy, I can't see my desktop and such.  I can't find anything that will fix my problem.  I'd really appreciate some help so I can get back to the steam summer sale :)
[22:38] <kingbeowolf> histo, raid 0
[22:38] <MrSendova> kcdeh: What desktop manager do you want to replace gnome with?
[22:38] <histo> kcdehimposter: what do you mean you can't see your desktop?  what happens when you login?
[22:39] <histo> kingbeowolf: By what means are you measuring speed?
[22:40] <blade57> histo: thank you i well try that and see what it dose thank you all for all you help i well be back on to tell if it worked
[22:40] <kcdehimposter> MrSendova: I want to replace gnome with unity again
[22:40] <wolfy1339> ok, i checked out a post on askubuntu and they had TERM=xterm-color and mine is TERM=cygwin, how do i change that
[22:40] <kcdehimposter> or whatever the default ubuntu de was
[22:41] <k1l_> kcdehimposter: how did you install gnome?
[22:41] <MrSendova>  kcdehimposter: do ctrl-alt-f2 and then login into the terminal. Then, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <kingbeowolf> histo, gnome disk utility using the benchmark funciton
[22:41] <kcdehimposter> Ok I will try that, but I followed this link :http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/upgrade-gnome-3-10-ubuntu-13-10
[22:41] <kcdehimposter> But the uninstall part didn't work for me
[22:41] <marknew> How do I disable GRUB.  I don't need it.
[22:42] <k1l_> !ppapurge | kcdehimposter
[22:42] <k1l_> marknew: do you have a bootloader besides grub?
[22:42] <histo> marknew: what are you going to use in place of it?
[22:42] <kcdehimposter> kil_: I tried ppa purge, and it doesn't work :(
[22:43] <k1l_> kcdehimposter: please put all that into a pastebin so we can see "what" is not working
[22:43] <marknew> Nothing.  I just want the computer to boot into Ubuntu when I turn on the power.
[22:43] <CooLBALL> im stuck with ubuntu installing kernel source
[22:43] <CooLBALL> how long does it take?
[22:43] <marknew> I have replaced Windows.
[22:43] <marknew> with Ubuntu.
[22:43] <histo> marknew: well you need grub then
[22:44] <k1l_> marknew: then set the timeout to 0. but if ubuntu is the only install it should not display grub
[22:44] <CooLBALL> how long can the installer take on kernel source?
[22:44] <k1l_> marknew: or run a "sudo update-grub" that will renew the grub menue and make ubuntu the nr.1
[22:44] <marknew> It displayed GRUB because there was bootloader information for Windows on a second hard drive.
[22:45] <histo> marknew: remove the windows entry and timeout and regenerate your grub.cfg
[22:45] <marknew> It was placed in a "System Reserved" partition on the second drive.
[22:45] <CooLBALL> please i am bugging out
[22:45] <wolfy1339> i checked out a post on askubuntu and they had TERM=xterm-color and mine is TERM=cygwin, how do i change that? Ubuntu Server 14.04, i added the alias ls for ls --color, uncommented the line with force
[22:45] <k1l_> marknew: you need grub for booting.
[22:45] <marknew> How do I remove the Windows entry from GRUB?  I'm very new to Linux.
[22:45] <wolfy1339> *force_colors yes
[22:46] <CooLBALL>  /boot/grub.conf
[22:46] <k1l_> marknew: run "sudo update-grub" that will write the new grub table and if windows is deleted from the disk it will scratch that
[22:46] <kingbeowolf> histo, gnome disk utility using the benchmark funciton
[22:47] <marknew> Thanks.  Is it safe to remove the "System Reserved" partition from the second hard drive?
[22:47] <kcdehimposter> kil_: Here is a paste of what happens when I try to do the uninstall: http://pastebin.com/PsL3Me6e
[22:47] <histo> k1l_: is os-prober enabled by default after installing?
[22:47] <histo> kingbeowolf: what sort of result are you getting and what are you expecting?
[22:47] <CooLBALL> i am bugging out please help me should  the installer take 20 minutes on something kernel source?
[22:47] <daftykins> marknew: you don't want to boot Windows anymore?
[22:47] <marknew> Correct.
[22:48] <daftykins> then that partition can go, yes - as long as GRUB isn't installed there
[22:48] <k1l_> histo: yes
[22:48] <marknew> How would I know that?
[22:48] <daftykins> pull the disk... does the other boot? :D
[22:48] <histo> marknew: how would you know what?
[22:48] <rodney77> Hi, old Ubuntu install disks I used to use had an option at the beginning where you could install or try ubuntu, or you could boot with these different flags (like nomodeset). I put the 14.04 installer on a USB stick and when I boot from it, it boots straight into the desktop. Is there a way I can still boot with flags?
[22:49] <k1l_> kcdehimposter: please show a "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d" in a pastebin
[22:49] <marknew> OK, I'll try this.  Thanks.
[22:50] <kcdehimposter> k1l_: Here you go: http://pastebin.com/470fLhfZ
[22:51] <histo> !who | markthomas
[22:51] <fmShadow> Hi I installed 14.04 and also gnome fallback.  It seems I can't add any additional workspaces in the workspace switcher though.  When I try to add workspaces, It always only gives me 1 workspace.  Any ideas?
[22:53] <kingbeowolf> histo, i can't run the test as I am booted into my OS, but last time I ran it I got only about 500MBps
[22:53] <histo> kingbeowolf: and you're disappointed with that?
[22:53] <markthomas> histo, can I help you with something?
[22:55] <histo> markthomas: wrong hilight
[22:55] <kingbeowolf> histo, with 4 SSD disk yes
[22:58] <histo> kingbeowolf: http://lucatnt.com/2013/06/improve-software-raid-speed-on-linux/
[22:59] <histo> kingbeowolf: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-raid-increase-resync-rebuild-speed.html
[23:01] <k1l_> kcdehimposter: try a - instead of the / in the ppa name?
[23:02] <kcdehimposter> k1l_: It was unable to find the package
[23:02] <k1l_> did you already remove the packages?
[23:03] <kcdehimposter> k1l: How can I check? I don't think I have.
[23:03] <k1l_> see the apt log in /var/log
[23:04] <k1l_> well, need to leave now, gl
[23:04] <kcdehimposter> ok thanks
[23:06] <dcrk> Hello all
[23:07] <dcrk> I've installed ubuntu on an encrypted volume with unencryped /boot mounted (dm-crypt with luks). Can someone point me to how I configure the os to prompt me for password on boot?
[23:07] <saml> how can I lxc-create without sudo ?
[23:07] <saml> not as root
[23:09] <marknew> Is there a substitute for iTunes in Linux?  I want to sync with my iPod Touch.
[23:09] <kingsley> marknew: apt-cache search itunes
[23:10] <marknew> Is this done in Terminal?
[23:10] <ObrienDave> yes
[23:10] <marknew> Thanks very much. I have 14.04.  I'll give it a try.
[23:11] <histo> !ipod | marknew
[23:12] <histo> saml: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/lxc.html
[23:12] <saml> yup thanks
[23:13] <marknew> I had to hurry and copy the above info you provided so I could try this later.  Thanks.
[23:19] <smrtz|nix> I'm trying to get upstart to run a bash script as root at boot.  Can someone help me out please?
[23:20] <marknew> I have bought and paid for Dashlane, a password manager.  Will it work with Ubuntu 14.04, and if not, what are my alternatives?
[23:21] <ObrienDave> marknew, keepassx
[23:22] <marknew> What is "keepassx"
[23:23] <daftykins> based on your question is it not obvious?
[23:23] <dsoto> http://www.keepassx.org/
[23:24] <marknew> Sorry, never heard of it.  I'll take a look.
[23:27] <pavi45> how to access windows 8 uefi filesystem from ubuntu live cd ?
[23:28] <Deihmos> uefi file system?
[23:28] <Deihmos> fat32 partition?
[23:28] <ObrienDave> uefi is more like legacy BIOS
[23:30] <kcdehimposter> Does anyone know how I can switch my primary desktop environment? I think it's set as gnome, but I want to set it back to unity.
[23:31] <ObrienDave> should be able to select it from the logon screen
[23:32] <kcdehimposter> I have it switched partially over to the unity login scren, but I still get the loading gnome screen on startup. Unity is really glitchy and I can't see my desktop.
[23:32] <pavi45> Deihmos: I think NTFS , the one which comes default on those windows 8 machines . I had to manually select disable uefi boot and use normal boot to boot via a live usb  . but I cant access the filesystem
[23:33] <cody__> A while back I installed xmonad on my xubuntu install and have been using it ever since. I'd like to use xubuntu now though but it isn't working. I try to select it at the login screen and it tries to login then takes me back to the login screen.
[23:33] <cody__> I'm guessing maybe I hardcoded xmonad somewhere for some reason, but I'm not sure.
[23:36] <pavi45> Deihmos:  also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI tells about how to install ubuntu on uefi mode, but I am not interested in installing , I just wanna access those files from windows , back them up and format the damned windows 8 machine to freshly install ubuntu
[23:37] <daftykins> pavi45: what do you want to do with the EFI boot partition?
[23:39] <pavi45> daftykins: there are some files in windows C partition , I am not sure if its actually normal NTFS partition as I was unable to access the files.
[23:39] <pavi45> or am I getting it all wrong about uefi , windows8 ?
[23:40] <daftykins> pavi45: are you trying to backup the Windows install so you can put it back later?
[23:41] <ObrienDave> uefi is more like legacy BIOS not a file system
[23:41] <daftykins> there are still EFI specific partitions though
[23:42] <pavi45> ObrienDave: just one question , if there are EFI partitions can be accessed from ubuntu the normal way ?
[23:42] <daftykins> pavi45: tell us what you're trying to do, i think you're confused...
[23:42] <ObrienDave> that i don't know. wife has threatened me if i mess with her 8.1 laptop LOL
[23:43] <daftykins> ;)
[23:43] <ifellasleep> I'm very confused o_o
[23:43] <ifellasleep> live in a constant state of it lately
[23:43] <daftykins> ifellasleep: that's nice, but also off topic
[23:43] <ObrienDave> go back to sleep ;P
[23:43] <ifellasleep> kk!
[23:44] <pavi45> daftykins: my friends damned windows 8 is messed up . I just wanna backup his files and install ubuntu on that machine .
[23:44] <pavi45> First thing I wanna do is back up just some documents using the live cd , later I want to deal with the uefi installation issues.
[23:45] <daftykins> pavi45: so you should be able to just boot a LiveCD and mount any partition fine
[23:45] <ifellasleep> rephrase: ubuntu has left me in a constant state of confusion lately
[23:45] <ifellasleep> :D
[23:46] <pavi45> daftykins: it gave me some errors while mounting the partitions from live cd.
[23:46] <daftykins> pavi45: ok, do you want to share them via pastebin?
[23:47] <FuuqUmiist> is it possible to get a WD MyBook external hard drive to work on Ubuntu?
[23:47] <RandomGuy5432> perhaps you need a way to run chkdsk first?
[23:48] <ObrienDave> FuuqUmiist, i have 2 running on Xubuntu
[23:48] <celroc> FuuqUmiist: It should be, yes.  I use an external HD in Linux Mint
[23:48] <daftykins> FuuqUmiist: sure.
[23:48] <FuuqUmiist> the hard drive works on windows computers, but not on linux, the hard drive is password protected
[23:48] <FuuqUmiist> i think the problem might be the WB software, it only runs on windows
[23:48] <FuuqUmiist> WD*
[23:48] <daftykins> FuuqUmiist: oh you're using WD SmartWare to encrypt it, yeah i don't think that's going to happen
[23:49] <prageeth_> will it work on wine
[23:49] <daftykins> no
[23:49] <celroc> FuuqUmiist: Sorry.  I don't use the password protection feature on mine.  I don't have any experience to offer on that one
[23:49] <FuuqUmiist> the wine didn't work, might i should try un updated wine or something
[23:49] <ObrienDave> use Smartware to decrypt it on windows
[23:49] <daftykins> FuuqUmiist: i would consider it game over, decrypt or it's Windows only
[23:50] <FuuqUmiist> i think before i was able to unlock it with wine
[23:50] <prageeth_> why you can't now?
[23:51] <FuuqUmiist> i don't know, maybe it was an older version or something
[23:51] <ObrienDave> FuuqUmiist, http://askubuntu.com/questions/285267/how-can-i-get-my-western-digital-hd-to-work
[23:51] <prageeth_> i would decrypt my data with windows machine and leave without encrypting againa
[23:51] <prageeth_> sry again
[23:51] <FuuqUmiist> okay i'll try that out
[23:52] <prageeth_> cool
[23:52] <harry> so I remember installing ubuntu with the virtual drive stuff enabled. I got a new sata drive today. How do I raid them?
[23:53] <prageeth_> is anyone know about python celery
[23:53] <daftykins> LVM != RAID
[23:53] <morenoh149> prageeth_: what about it?
[23:53] <prageeth_> i'm trying to understand how to call  defined tasks from different server
[23:53] <morenoh149> daftykins: really? because I asked when I chose that option and ppl told me it would make a soft-raiding much simpler
[23:54] <daftykins> morenoh149: where are said people? :)
[23:55] <morenoh149> prageeth_: I would try #python. seems like an advanced use of python
[23:55] <morenoh149> daftykins: the ether ;)
[23:56] <morenoh149> pretty sure it was this very channel. but yeah looking up lvm now. seems like a softraid is doable
[23:57] <prageeth_> morenoh149 : thanks mate


[13:03] <LarstiQ> lifeless: is there any web frontend for testrepository?
[13:35] <jml> LarstiQ: I have vague recollections of lifeless making something along those lines.
[13:38] <jelmer> you can convert to junitxml, and there is a thingy that can convert that to HTML
[13:39] <LarstiQ> heh :)
[14:27] <mthaddon> hi folks, is there a way for me to get all revisions since a certain date from bzr log ?
[14:28] <elmo> mthaddon: yes
[14:28] <elmo> mthaddon: bzr help revisionspec
[14:28] <mthaddon> ah, thx
[14:36] <mthaddon> elmo: am I missing something? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1541688/
[14:38] <elmo> mthaddon: I think that just means there were no commits in 2013
[14:38] <elmo> mthaddon: try e.g. 2012 ?
[14:38] <jelmer> mthaddon: it's annoying, I think there has to be a revision that matches the date you specify
[14:39] <mthaddon> jelmer: still no output from "bzr log -r date:2013-01-03.." even though the latest revision has a timestamp of Thu 2013-01-03 10:32:11 -0700
[14:40] <jelmer> ah, hmm
[14:40] <jelmer> not sure then, sorry
[14:40] <mthaddon> interestingly, "bzr log -r date:2012-01-01.." gives me the the entire log (oldest revno is 2012-03-26)
[14:41] <jelmer> Vila: do you know perhaps?
[14:43] <vila> mthaddon, jelmer: out of the blue, I'd say -rdate:2013-01-03 evaluates to 2013-01-03 23:59:59 which is after the last rev ?
[14:44] <mthaddon> vila: I've tried it with 2013-01-01 and it's still empty - I think it's because the merged revision is from 2012-11-30, so it's using that rather than the date it was actually merged
[14:45] <jelmer> ah, hmm
[14:45] <mthaddon> nope, not that either...
[14:45] <mthaddon> "bzr log -r date:2012-11-29.." also empty
[14:46] <mthaddon> have to go back to "bzr log -r date:2012-10-04.." to get any output
[14:46] <LarstiQ> mthaddon: before:date:2012-11-29?
[14:46] <LarstiQ> hmm
[14:48] <xnox> what is the date of the for last commit?
[14:48] <xnox> also did you add -n0 to the log command?
[14:49]  * xnox thought date: resolves to the first commit after the specified date.
[14:49] <mthaddon> the last commit is from "Thu 2013-01-03 10:32:11 -0700" - I'm not adding -n0
[14:50] <xnox> and the one before? (forelast)
[14:51] <mthaddon> Thu 2012-10-04 13:14:32 +0100
[14:52] <mthaddon> it's like it's ignoring the last one for some reason
[14:55] <vila> mthaddon: looks like a regression introduced in 2.5 :-( 2.4 gives the expected behavior, can you file a bug ?
[14:55] <vila> mthaddon: you're using 2.5 or 2.6 right ?
[14:55] <mthaddon> 2.6.0~beta2-0ubuntu1
[14:56] <mthaddon> vila: will do, thanks
[15:09] <mthaddon`> vila: any ideas how long it'd take to fix? - wondering whether to work around it for my use case, or if it'll just be a few days or so
[15:13] <LarstiQ> vila: are you still using dvc?
[15:13]  * LarstiQ is annoyed by windows jumping around
[15:14] <vila> mthaddon`: no idea, get in touch with the lp team that is responsible for bzr maintenance :-/
[15:15] <mthaddon`> vila: ok, thx
[15:15] <vila> LarstiQ: yes, still using dvc, no window jumping here though, which windows ?
[15:18] <LarstiQ> vila: I have a dvc-status and a regular file side by side. Hitting c in dvc-status throws up a log-edit buffer in the non-dvc window. ^C^C and the windows swap, now with a dvc-commit buffer in the non-dvc-status window
[15:18] <LarstiQ> Hitting q there gets me back to my file
[15:23] <vila> LarstiQ: wow, I never type anything in dvc-status, I'm always in dvc-diff instead
[15:23] <LarstiQ> vila: maybe I need to learn that :)
[15:24] <vila> LarstiQ: and I use 'bzr add RightPath' rather than adding from dvc-status (which I use only as a check)
[15:26] <LarstiQ> vila: ah right, I forgot you can run a shell in emacs
[15:27] <vila> LarstiQ: where else can you run a shell ? (Sorry couldn't resist)
[15:27] <LarstiQ> vila: :)
[15:29] <vila> LarstiQ: and by the way C-H m says that 'c' in dvc-status indeed calls dvc-log-edit, if you want to go to the file your cursor is on, just hit return
[15:30] <LarstiQ> vila: ah but dvc-log-edit is what I want
[15:31] <LarstiQ> or think I want :)
[15:32] <vila> LarstiQ: what does dvc-log-edit ?
[15:32] <LarstiQ> vila: prompt me for a commit message, and then commit
[15:33] <vila> oh crap, yeah, that's what I use
[15:33] <vila> meh, then I C-c C-c and that commits...
[15:34] <vila> LarstiQ: sorry, I thought you were seeing a different workflow
[15:35] <vila> LarstiQ: ok, I understand your concern
[15:36] <vila> LarstiQ: the thing is, it's wired for me: after a commit I get the *dvc-commit* buffer, check that all went well and hit one of my shortcuts to get back to my file, I didn't even realize I was doing that
[15:36] <vila> LarstiQ: i.e. I don't hit 'q' in the *dvc-commit* window which is where I lost track of your experience
[15:37] <LarstiQ> vila: aha!
[15:37]  * LarstiQ tries that workflow
[15:41] <LarstiQ> vila: hmja, at the point I commit with ^C^C the windows already swap.
[15:41]  * LarstiQ tries looking at the dvc code again.
[15:43] <vila> LarstiQ: yeah, they swap here too and that's not ideal, but dvc-diff (which is lost) is one the commands I use the most so it's also bound and wired ;)
[15:43] <LarstiQ> right
[15:43] <vila> LarstiQ: but you're right, that's worth fixing !
[15:43] <LarstiQ> vila: next question, if I'm not bothering you too much, can dvc-diff show things in ediff mode (by default)?
[15:44]  * LarstiQ finds the plain emacs diff mode unreadable
[15:47] <vila> LarstiQ: but ediff requires two buffers for each file plus a control one.. How would that work for a whole tree ?
[15:47] <LarstiQ> vila: hmm. Wonder what magit uses then
[15:48]  * LarstiQ is still quite getting to grips with emacs
[15:49] <vila> LarstiQ: I may be misunderstanding again, what difference are you talking about ? ediff shows diffs *inside* the lines two, is that what you're after ?
[15:51] <vila> s/two/too/ I hate that tyop more than the others ;)
[15:52] <LarstiQ> vila: that, and highlighting of the hunks
[15:52]  * LarstiQ has figured out how to make it stop wrapping lines
[15:53] <LarstiQ> although that resets on refresh, hmm
[15:55] <vila> LarstiQ: what kind of highlighting ? I have some tweaks locally, so old I had to check if they were where I thought
[15:56] <vila> LarstiQ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1541850/
[15:56] <vila> LarstiQ: not ediff, but readable enough for me
[15:56] <LarstiQ> vila: cheers!
[18:57] <lifeless> LarstiQ: I keep threatening to make one
[18:58] <lifeless> LarstiQ: but there isn't a canned one, no.
[18:58] <lifeless> LarstiQ: openstack uses subunit to write html directly, their converter is on hithub
[18:59] <LarstiQ> lifeless: ah, I'll tell hpk about that (he was the one asking about it)
[19:19] <LarstiQ> lifeless: I'm having some trouble locating that, https://github.com/openstack-infra/nose-html-output is not quite it
[19:29] <lifeless> LarstiQ: https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/jenkins/files/slave_scripts/subunit2html.py
[19:29] <LarstiQ> lifeless: thanks!
[19:29] <lifeless> (I had to ask in #openstack-infra :P)
[22:14] <Noldorin> how do i configure the commit message editor??
[22:17] <Noldorin> anyone?
[22:41] <bob2> what would you guess the answer to be?
[22:45] <lifeless> Noldorin: there is an environment variable you can set
[22:45] <lifeless> Noldorin: its in the docs
[22:45] <Noldorin> lifeless, the docs also say i can use "bzr config editor=vim" to set it
[22:45] <Noldorin> but that doesn't work...
[22:46] <lifeless> hmm, thats since my time, I don't know anything about the new config stuff
[22:52] <bob2> export VISUAL=vim


[23:47] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: is there anything about testing for accessibility aimed at end users themselves? there was an exchange on the gnome-a11y list this weekend that suggested to me that maybe that's one of the things we need to have (not sure what would go in it, but it seems like people may  not know how to test as an end user)
[23:49] <charlie-tca> I don't believe there is anything aimed at end user testing, simply because most of the fixes have to be done in the development version
[23:49] <Pendulum> *nods*
[23:49] <charlie-tca> If the end user is not using the latest development version, the test is not valid
[23:50] <Pendulum> right
[23:50] <Pendulum> but I'm thinking if we can figure out how they can use the development version to test...
[23:50] <charlie-tca> but then they are no longer normal users, they become a tester
[23:51] <Pendulum> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2011-January/msg00071.html is where I'm wondering if there's something we can do to make it clearer how to do testing
[23:51] <charlie-tca> anyone can grab the daily desktop cd and try to do an install with orca
[23:53] <Pendulum> I wonder if this is one of the things that jono's "use it on a USB stick" would help
[23:53] <charlie-tca> We can't really expect normal users to do much testing, because it does mean running the development version and taking a chance on losing everything at a critical time
[23:53] <Pendulum> yeah
[23:53] <Pendulum> that's kinda what I figured
[23:54] <Pendulum> I'm just trying to figure out answers to the "Ubuntu doesn't test a11y" that shows up on other lists
[23:54] <charlie-tca> I don't if a USB test will work with orca. I have no system capable of that
[23:54] <Pendulum> *nods*
[23:54] <Pendulum> I'll poke AlanBell about it tomorrow
[23:54] <charlie-tca> the answer is the same answer we give every other "does not test enough" nonsense. It is, when we have testers willing.
[23:55] <Pendulum> yeah
[23:55] <Pendulum> I think at this point I'm more annoyed that it gets said about us, but not to us
[23:55] <charlie-tca> The "doesn't test" is not limited to anything.
[23:55] <charlie-tca> It gets said about Xubuntu and Ubuntu too, but never up front
[23:56] <charlie-tca> That's about the only time I answer a blog or review, too.


[16:19] <wasabi1> Anybody have any links to an overview of Fedoras decision process to go to systemd?
[16:24] <ion> wasabi1: Here you go: http://i.imgur.com/vFeQt.jpg
[16:28] <wasabi1> haha
[16:52] <wasabi1> So I notice the Upstart.ubuntu.com page is pretty unmaintained.
[16:52] <wasabi1> Latest release 0.6.7?
[20:24] <cjbottaro> Hello.  I'm trying to use upstart to control a python program that daemonizes itself.
[20:25] <cjbottaro> The problem (apparently) the python script starts a new process that thus upstart isn't aware of.  How to remedy?
[20:29] <cjbottaro> got it:  expect daemon
[21:09] <cjbottaro> Is there a way to have to restart succeed even if the job isn't already running (i.e. behave like start if job isn't running)?
[21:21] <Keybuk> no
[21:21] <Keybuk> stop job; start job
[23:39] <bhuga> can anyone tell me how i might start a screen via upstart so i can attach to something that starts at boot later?
[23:39] <bhuga> 'exec screen -dm bash', for example, fails in upstart but works from the shell
[23:47] <cipher> "fails?"
[23:48] <bhuga> 'terminated with status 1' in the log files, followed by auto-respawns until it stops for going too quickly
[23:48] <cipher> what's your start on stanza
[23:48] <cipher> actually can you paste your conf?
[23:49] <bhuga> http://pastie.org/private/wfzagb0p8wieak9ce20aea
[23:49] <bhuga> after lots of playing with the real thing (which is a wordy attempt to get a lisp image running that i can get into and debug), i cannot even get that to work
[23:50] <bhuga> it has not pasted correctly
[23:50] <bhuga> it seems
[23:50] <bhuga> there is a newline before the end script :)
[23:51] <cipher> try playing with the start on being rc
[23:52] <bhuga> this is with 'service spocq start'
[23:53] <bhuga> running at boot isn't the trick, it just errors when it runs


[06:33] <alchemyst> Hi all! I'm trying to set up a bazaar versioning on an ftp but i get an error when i try bzr init ftp://user@server/folder, the error is the following: "bzr: ERROR: A control directory already exists:"
[07:15] <lifeless> alchemyst: and does it ?
[07:19] <alchemyst> ...nope...no folders inside
[07:20] <lifeless> alchemyst: no .bzr folder? They are hidden by default
[07:20] <alchemyst> i know...but "ls -la" should do...
[07:21] <lifeless> interesting
[07:21] <lifeless> you could try --use-existing-dir, but I wonder whether you have a 'special' FTP server of some sort
[07:21] <alchemyst> yup you're right
[07:22] <alchemyst> i'm trying to put it up on my router's ftp
[07:22] <alchemyst> i didn't think it was a problem...
[07:43] <SamB_> heh
[07:44] <SamB_> you mean one of those little boxes with the strange operating systems?
[07:46] <alchemyst> yes, and with usb port to support storage from usb
[08:12] <alchemyst> i just felt like "why not?" XD
[08:22] <SamB_> well, I guess you still don't know "why", but you do know the "not"
[08:24] <alchemyst> certainly...i guess if i could host one on my pc and upload it in block...but that would ruin a little the purpouse of the experiment...