[15:25] <DanaG> setuid: run 'cpuid' (google for it) under Vista, then.
[15:25] <setuid> No torrents for these
[15:25] <tgelter> setuid: ah, that makes a difference =)
[15:25] <setuid> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[15:26] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the usually wicked-fast mirrors.kernel.org is currently being slow, for some reason.
[15:26] <LibertyShadow> Torrents are so much better for the servers too
[15:27] <setuid> LibertyShadow, I've been a production torrent tracker for a handful of OSS projects for about 6 years, I'm aware of the benefits ;)
[15:27] <DanaG> OOh, 8 gigs of RAM in a laptop.... would you use it?
[15:27] <LibertyShadow> setuid: Just saying :D
[15:27] <DanaG> For 1200 bucks (over base 1x2GB DIMM)
[15:29] <setuid> DanaG, Use Crucial, they were 1/2 the cost of the same RAM from Lenovo directly
[15:29] <DanaG> My current laptop just has dirt-cheap RAM from newegg.  It came with 1x512, and I added a second one.
[15:29] <setuid> cdimage is at 5.3k/sec now
[15:30] <DanaG> But the fact that that HP supports 8 gigs is pretty cool... though I wouldn't use it.
[15:30] <nemo> DanaG: would be good for a dev laptop
[15:30] <Ayabara> hey. I use FF3b4 in Ubuntu with a dark theme, and I'm having problems with dark letters on dark background in dialog boxes. I had a userContent.css that fixed this on FF2, but it doesn't seem to work on FF3b4. Anyone know the why of this?
[15:30] <setuid> Would be horrible for battery life though
[15:30] <nemo> DanaG: say, one running oracle database, a java application server, an IDE and other memory hogs...
[15:30] <DanaG> You'd be able to get an extended 12-cell battery that adds on to the existing 8-cell.
[15:31] <nemo> those all get pretty greedy on my system :-/
[15:31] <setuid> adds onto? For a total of 20 cells?
[15:31] <DanaG> I believe so.
[15:31] <setuid> That's the same weight as a second laptop! :)
[15:31] <nemo> luggable
[15:31] <DanaG> Base laptop is 6 pounds.
[15:32] <setuid> +4 pounds for batteries
[15:32] <DanaG> 1.77 pounds, says Newegg.
[15:32] <DanaG> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834998017
[15:34] <Galga> hi
[15:35] <Galga> my keyboard was locked and '1' key was auto-pressed
[15:36] <Galga> was it because of a bug or something ? i was playing with mplayer
[15:37] <nemo> Galga: there are several bugs on this
[15:37] <nemo> Galga: the older one having been duped on a newer one
[15:37] <Galga> nemo: ok. But i think it was due to mplayer
[15:37] <nemo> if you want the annoying workaround, turn off keyboard repeat in keyboard settings
[15:37] <setuid> 91.189.88.{34|39} must be getting hammered
[15:38] <nblracer> hello, i have a problem, i dont think it is is a bug, just user error
[15:38] <nblracer> or me beeing a n00b
[15:38] <nemo> Galga: well, I could be misunderstanding you, but if it is same bug, it isn't mplayer.
[15:38] <DanaG> Is it this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[15:38] <nemo> seems to have a variety of triggers.
[15:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[15:38] <DanaG> the stuckage.
[15:38] <setuid> nemo, it's a load issue
[15:38] <DanaG> ?
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: ... load.
[15:38] <DanaG> (sorry, I'm a bit obsessive-compulsive about my own punctuation)
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: you're joking.
[15:38] <setuid> Under heavy load, the kreyboard goes nuts and repeats
[15:38] <Galga> thanks for the link DanaG
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: ok. I have a dual core system
[15:38] <nemo> setuid: I open gedit
[15:39] <nemo> I hold down a key while clicking on the mouse
[15:39] <nemo> my CPUs don't even crack 1%
[15:39] <nemo> and it sticks.
[15:39] <DanaG> AAh, keyboard+mouse is exactly the trigger.
[15:39] <setuid> That's intentioanl
[15:39] <setuid> er, intentional
[15:39] <nemo> DanaG: yep. that's what does it for me. just found the idea of "load" to be amusing
[15:39] <DanaG> Temporary workaround: go back to xserver-xorg-core 1.4
[15:39] <setuid> It doesn't stick, it stops if you let go of the mouse
[15:39] <nemo> setuid: not at all
[15:39] <setuid> I just tested it here, it stops when I release the mouse
[15:39] <nemo> setuid: it sticks. every single time, it sticks.
[15:39] <setuid> Linux version 2.6.24-12-server (buildd@palmer) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu4)) #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:34:17 UTC 2008
[15:40] <nemo> setuid: USB mouse, USB keyboard, FWIW
[15:40] <DanaG> PS/2 for me.
[15:40] <setuid> Thinkpad here, so PS2 as well
[15:40] <nemo> but, yeah, turning off keyboard repeat fixes - if you know of a way to turn that "feature" off completely though.
[15:40] <nemo> if indeed the idea was to make it do that, and it isn't picking up a keyboard release.
[15:41] <nemo> I'd prefer to have keyboard repeat than turning everything off just to avoid some silly feature like "repeat keys while mouse down" that appears to be broken :)
[15:41] <nemo> 'cause there isn't any way for me to solve it except to disable repeat in menu if I can reach it (even clicking on a gconf disable script I made didn't help) or restarting.
[15:42] <DanaG> Restarting Xorg alone will fix it, too: use alt-sysrq-k instead of ctrl-alt-backspace.
[15:42] <setuid> Any one have a faster mirror for http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/hardy-alternate-amd64.iso
[15:42] <nemo> DanaG: interesting.
[15:42] <nemo> DanaG: well, I can usually get to a terminal. you can restart Xorg without killing gnome?
[15:43] <DanglyBits> how do i do a remote desktop session with my hardy box at home , from work computer (windowsXp)?
[15:43] <DanaG> Nope, that's not possible -- killing Xorg kills everything under it.
[15:43] <setuid> DanaG, rdesktop
[15:43] <DanaG> Wrong tab-complete?
[15:43] <setuid> DanaG, Assuming your RDP host allows external connections and firewall rules permit the port across
[15:43] <DanaG> DanglyBits: That's a funny nickname.
[15:44] <DanglyBits> do i need to look at freenx?
[15:45] <setuid> DanglyBits, Why?
[15:45] <DanglyBits> how do i do a remote desktop session with my hardy box at home , from work computer (windowsXp)?
[15:45] <setuid> Do you have the ability to punch holes through the firewall?
[15:45] <DanglyBits> yes
[15:45] <setuid> uh
[15:45] <setuid> Wait, you can't
[15:45] <DanglyBits> work firewall or home?
[15:46] <setuid> If you're at work, sitting at your XP machine, you can't initiate an rdesktop connection from there to your Hardy box at home, back into your XP machine at work.
[15:46] <DanglyBits> so what can i use to do that ?
[15:46] <DanaG> There are no RDP host applications for Linux; use that FreeNX instead.
[15:46] <DanglyBits> what software?
[15:46] <setuid> vnc over ssh, probably
[15:46] <Wobbo>  is there a new usplash human theme incomming? Perhaps in the same style as the new login screen
[15:46] <nemo> DanaG: sooo. what whould be the point in not using ctrl-alt-backspace? :)
[15:46] <setuid> I'm not even sure why you'd want to do that
[15:47] <nemo> DanaG: anyway, I usually can manage to sign out normally using mouse...
[15:47] <DanaG> Ctrl-alt-backspace won't be working under the stuck keyboard.
[15:47] <setuid> You're already at the XP machine, why go out and back in, just to get to the same machine
[15:47] <nemo> DanaG: works under my stuck keyboard. I think.
[15:47] <nemo> DanaG: hard to remember. lately I have just signed out normally.
[15:47] <nemo> or disabled keyboard repeat :-p
[15:47] <DanglyBits> does anyone know if there is a freenx 0.7.2 version for hardy yet?
[15:47] <DanglyBits> gentoo has one
[15:47] <setuid> I don't think you're describing your problem accurately
[15:49] <DanglyBits> setuid: i am at work and want to visually see my hardy linux desktop on my home computer...how can i accomplish that?
[15:49] <setuid> Ah, that's different
[15:49] <setuid> So you can use vnc/tightvnc to do that
[15:49] <setuid> and install vncviewer on the Windows machine
[15:50] <DanglyBits> is tightvnc just as fast as nx?
[15:50] <setuid> Fast or faster, yes.
[15:50] <DanglyBits> ok...ill try tightvnc
[15:52] <Galga> DanaG: yes, i did pressed '1' key for quite sometime and this happened. secondly, whenever i try to run apt-get install in a terminal. it jumps to 5 blank lines and usually 3 to 5 cmdline ENTER
[15:52] <DanaG> Same for me: it'll spam 'enter' and cause the "are you sure" thingy to appear multiple times on unauthenticated packages.
[15:53] <Galga> but i m happy i haven't pressed the del key for that long :)
[15:54] <Galga> ok repeat key is disabled now
[15:54] <flipstar> Galga: theres a bug report for that.. #203573
[15:55] <DanaG> bug 203573
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203573 in apt "apt-get produces empty space/lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203573
[15:55] <Galga> flipstar: yes i am already reading one
[15:55] <nemo> setuid: "fast or faster"  - not in my experience :-/
[15:56] <nemo> setuid: plus, interfaces are more responsive and natural.
[15:56] <setuid> nemo, Depends on your configuration. In my experience, FreeNX was slower.
[15:56] <setuid> but then again, my systems are optimized for that kind of usability
[15:56] <nemo> setuid: remote over web. nxserver/nxclient running ssh connection, compressed.
[15:56] <setuid> Which ssh crypt algo?
[15:56] <nemo> vnc, even with tightvnc with bgr233 and jpeg compression, was significantly laggier
[15:56] <setuid> blowfish is MUCH faster
[15:57] <Galga> bbl
[15:57] <nemo> setuid: that's not really relevant once the connection is established
[15:57] <setuid> Sure it is
[15:57] <nemo> PKE is only for setting up the private key session alg...
[15:57] <setuid> Nope, read up on it. What do you think encrypts the session data?
[15:58] <nemo> private key random number streams are all about equally fast
[15:58] <setuid> Or run libgcrypt's tests on your machine and see
[15:58] <setuid> Nope, completely false. See above.
[15:58] <nemo> I have read up on it in past in context of HTTPS. perhaps ssh does differently. which seems foolish
[15:58] <setuid> I just did benchmarks on 32/64 bit Linux and 32/64-bit SunOS yesterday. The results were shocking.
[15:58] <nemo> PKE algs are all horribly slow compared to a private key stream
[15:59] <nemo> setuid: example test you ran?
[15:59] <setuid> The stock libgcrypt tests in this particular case
[15:59] <nemo> setuid: 'cause, yeah. initially it may be slower...
[15:59] <setuid> The Sun box took 8 hours to run them ;)
[15:59] <nemo> setuid: that doesn't necessarily invalidate what I said
[15:59] <setuid> Of course, that's just an aside that Sun hardware sucks ;)
[15:59] <nemo> can you link me to where ssh does not use private keys for the stream? since you said I should read up on it, perhaps you have a resource?
[16:00] <nemo> since, well, I *am* only familiar with it in another context.
[16:00] <nemo> s/private keys/private key exchange/
[16:00] <lepta> having great problems over ubuntu hardy with xorg .. cant dpkg-reconfigure it properly,.. anyone can explain me why i cant configure the driver and resolution section?
[16:00] <setuid> Look at the -c option to ssh
[16:00] <nemo> setuid: I'm aware of what that does
[16:00] <setuid> Then  you should be clear
[16:01] <setuid> Not -C
[16:01] <nemo> setuid: dude. that's for the PKE. I've already said that most SSL only uses PKE to setup the connection
[16:01] <nemo> you disagree
[16:01] <nemo> so. I'm requesting more info than "-c"
[16:01] <setuid> I don't use SSL for ssh sessions...
[16:01] <nemo> I said that was the context I was familiar with it in.
[16:02] <nemo> I'm still waiting for your information. I'm not being hostile, you just said I was "completely wrong" so I'd like to learn more about why ssh would do things the inefficient way.
[16:03] <setuid> It doesn't... We were talking in the context of "more responsive", and using a faster crypt algo will make that experience smoother...
[16:03] <setuid> I didn't say it "compresses better" or anything like that
[16:03] <nemo> setuid: and I noted the algorithm you use only matters in initial setup of the stream.
[16:03] <nemo> so, say the first 30 seconds of the session
[16:03] <nemo> tops
[16:03] <nemo> well. cypher block chaining might vary a bit between algs
[16:03] <setuid> And how are all packets after that sent across the connection?
[16:04] <nemo> setuid: using a private alg exchanged during initial public encryption
[16:04] <nemo> public key encryption is horribly inefficient
[16:04] <nemo> requires a lot of modulus operations just for small chunks of data
[16:04] <nemo> at least, that is how it is normally done. maybe ssh is different - since you seem to know, you must have a resource
[16:05] <setuid> I didn't say I was an expert, but several years of anecdotal usage of various crypt algos remotely, blowfish is SIGNIFICANTLY faster and "smoother" (to use your word), than the others.
[16:05] <nemo> ok. so annecdotal.
[16:05] <nemo> fair 'nuff.
[16:05] <setuid> And not just the initial 30 second handshake
[16:05] <Exilant> anyone else experiences problems with logout from X?
[16:05] <flipstar> setuid: i thing this depends on the cpu you use
[16:06] <setuid> flipstar, Sure, and if I change what -c I pass, the results differ
[16:06] <setuid> On the same target and source cpus
[16:06] <nemo> setuid: and wasn't saying you said you were an expert either. although you did say I was "completely wrong" :)
[16:06] <flipstar> amd or intel i mean..mostly blowfish is faster on amd..aes faster on intel..
[16:06] <nemo> that I take exception to, since I thought I had some understanding of how public key encryption is normally used
[16:07] <setuid> I'll have to write up some actual benchmarks and publish them
[16:08] <setuid> We use a thing at work, some web-based, java-based RDP client, and it's at least 2x faster than the standard Remote Desktop Connection. I don't know what they're using, or how they did it, but it's almost identical to working local. No lag.
[16:08] <setuid> It's this: http://www.hobsoft.com/
[16:09] <nemo> anyway, RTFMing the openssl crypt man pages now
[16:09] <savvas> you got two more like that setuid, like nomachine.com and loginsomething, can't remember the exact name
[16:10] <nemo> setuid: it does appear that blowfish does efficient CBC
[16:10] <nemo> setuid: I find it hard to believe it would be noticeable. but, ok. :)
[16:10] <nemo> setuid: anyway. I guess my point is.  I found VNC to be a LOT slower - and neither machine was close to maxing out its CPU
[16:11] <nemo> plus, of course, nomachine isn't polling the display, it is smarter
[16:11] <nemo> thus no clipping artifacts or missed polls
[16:12] <DanaG> damnit, I just had another one of those hard lockups.
[16:19] <DanaG> Ohh great, now my fat32 partition will be screwed up, and I'll likely lose my Firefox bookmarks.
[16:20] <DanaG> Lovely.
[16:22] <Galga> there are other partitions on drive. whenever i try to open them, message says you are not privileged to mount drive. they were accessible in 7.10
[16:22] <Wobbo> anyone having hickups with synergy?
[16:26] <nemo> DanaG: um. your bookmarks *are* backed up :)
[16:26] <nemo> DanaG: you know, I've been thinking of ditching my FAT32 partition - NTFS-3g seems pretty stable lately
[16:27] <DanaG> Aah, it didn't lose bookmarks this time; just lost my session.
[16:27] <savvas> i use ext3 with http://www.fs-driver.org/
[16:27] <nemo> savvas: hm.
[16:27] <nemo> savvas: that direction worries me more :)
[16:27] <nemo> I'd care less if my NTFS partition was corrupted.
[16:28] <savvas> well... it's easier to manage :P
[16:28] <nemo> heh.
[16:28] <nemo> actually, what I should do is move my user data on both NT and Linux into separate partitions
[16:28] <nemo> then mount those
[16:28] <savvas> i use ubuntu as my main o/s, and once or twice per fortnight i use windows xp
[16:29] <nemo> I can back up, say, the D:\Program Files  and if it gets corrupted, restore it without worrying about that registry crap
[16:29] <savvas> ah
[16:29] <nemo> and I guess D:\Documents and Settings
[16:29] <savvas> well true :P
[16:29] <DanaG> ext2ifs doesn't work very well.
[16:29] <DanaG> For example, if it's uncleanly unmounted, it'll ask you to format the volume,
[16:29] <savvas> DanaG: it works if you use a read only :P
[16:29] <DanaG> instead of just read-only.
[16:30] <savvas> urm..
[16:30] <DanaG> You can't set it to do read-only on failure.  Same with ntfs-3g.
[16:30] <DanaG> It's all or nothing: rw or nothing.
[16:31] <savvas> i generally have another hard disk for windows, and I don't really need anything else besides stuff that I download while i'm on ubuntu :P
[16:32]  * DanaG wonders how big is big enough to back up a 40GB ext3 partition with multiple snapshots.
[16:35]  * DanaG likes his Hitachi 7k200-200.
[16:36] <Splex> I am having troubles with the acpi-support 0.106 package.  Is there a way for me to downgrade to 0.105?
[16:36] <nemo> DanaG: ... snapshots?
[16:36] <DanaG> I want to keep backups of multiple points in time.
[16:37] <nemo> DanaG: btw, have you heard of the idea of checking in $HOME in subversion (and before that, CVS)?  I thought that was neat :)
[16:37] <DanaG> I have lots of stuff in /etc, though.
[16:37] <DanaG> Lots of customized stuff, I mean.
[16:37] <nemo> mmm. but that tends to be tied to system
[16:37] <nemo> DanaG: you should perhaps use RCS in /etc
[16:37] <nemo> since that disassociates it from your backup policy
[16:38] <nemo> ... or even check /etc into subversion too :)
[16:38] <DanaG> My xorg.conf has sections for intel and nvidia (current) and vboxvideo.
[16:38] <DanaG> RCS?
[16:38] <nemo> the precursor to CVS
[16:38] <nemo> DanaG: very lightweight, so you can just use RCS inside /etc
[16:38] <DanaG> If I have one section for each type of video device, then it's interchangable.
[16:38] <nemo> no need for separate repo.
[16:48] <Exilant> whenever I logout of X, my system crashes
[16:48] <Exilant> any idea where to find out sth. about that?
[16:48] <Ayabara> is it possible to have FF2 and FF3 installed at the same time, with different config directories?
[16:50] <nemo> Ayabara: sure.
[16:50] <nemo> Ayabara: ... now. what do you mean by config directories. do you mean profiles?
[16:51] <Ayabara> nemo: I think that's what I mean :-)
[16:51] <nemo> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager#Linux
[16:51] <Ayabara> thanks
[16:51] <nemo> Ayabara: you can then have your firefox 2 shortcut pass the -P for its custom profile
[16:52] <nemo> is indeed often necessary with custom extensions, unless you don't mind stuff vanishing when you have FF2/FF3 share a profile :)
[16:52] <Ayabara> nemo: got it
[16:58] <ant30> hi all
[17:08] <DanaG> What's the best blocksize to use to make dd unobtrusive to the system?  I'm dd'ing between two hard drives.
[17:30] <vallhalla81> having sound card can anyone advise?
[17:30] <vallhalla81> issues*
[17:32] <minimec> vallhalla81: I would do lspci | grep -i audio in a terminal and search for your chip in combination with hardy
[17:34] <LaserJock> anybody know what things you have to change if the UUID of your swap partition changes?
[17:35] <LaserJock> I've already changed the fstab entry and did an update-initramfs but still no swap
[17:36] <LaserJock> bah, I just found it: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[17:36] <vallhalla81> minimec: i will lookin to it now ty
[17:38] <Galga> grep stands for gnome report right ?
[17:38] <ReL1K> anyone ran into any issues with hardy and vmware 6+?
[17:38] <ReL1K> thinking about updating
[17:39] <flipstar> ReL1K: you cant compile vmware on the latest kernel..
[17:39] <flipstar> need a patch for that
[17:40] <LaserJock> Galga: I'm pretty sure it doesn't. grep doesn't have anything to do with gnome
[17:40] <ReL1K> flipstar, gotchya thanks
[17:40] <Galga> LaserJock: yes, reading on wiki now
[17:44] <savvas> ReL1K: you could try virtualbox, the gutsy compiled release works fine here
[17:45] <Seamus> Hello, I'm looking for a suspend/resume solution for a thinkpad t61p
[17:45] <Seamus> nvidia 570m proprietary drivers seem to be the issue
[17:45] <Seamus> the VESA drivers are annoyingly slow but suspend works fine with them.
[17:48] <ReL1K> savvas: been having some major issues with USB and virtualbox..would pick virtualbox in a heartbeat but because of the USB support ive steered away
[17:50] <LCID_Fire> Hi
[17:50] <LCID_Fire> How does one replace the current running kernel - with one built from git?
[17:52] <ccooke> LCID_Fire: 1) use kernel-package. 2) Is there a reason you need that? should you be submitting a bug against the hardy kernel?
[17:53] <LCID_Fire> ccooke: I changed a driver and I'd like to try it out - problem is since it's the same kernel version the install script appearently does not replace the current running modules :(
[18:07] <askand> I understand that aticards are being blacklisted in compiz in current hardy, can someone explain why?
[18:14] <Amaranth> askand: If you are using a laptop and using the ati driver (not fglrx) compiz will not load for you because of problems with basically all of the mobility cards
[18:14] <Amaranth> Well, it's actually a problem with the ati driver but since we're going on 9 months or so of it being broken and no fix in sight we're just blocking the cards
[18:15] <Amaranth> askand: the 'fix' is to install the fglrx driver
[18:16] <Seamus> Amaranth: don't I know you? P
[18:16] <Seamus> *:P
[18:16]  * Amaranth hides
[18:16] <Seamus> Oh, he left.  Oh well.
[18:16] <Amaranth> ?
[18:17] <Seamus> Amaranth: have you ever been in a channel that sounds like "word"?
[18:17] <askand> Amaranth:  ok..cause the restricted drivers manager tells me I dont need restricted drivers..is that a bug then?
[18:18] <Amaranth> Seamus: I don't think so
[18:18] <Amaranth> askand: No, this is something I still need to fix
[18:18] <Amaranth> askand: You have a very old mobile ati chip that fglrx no longer supports, these are also the ones that work fine with the ati driver
[18:18] <Seamus> I think you have some friends in this channel.  or "friends", I dunno.
[18:19] <Amaranth> I hoped to get the fix in yesterday but it's going to have to wait until after the beta release
[18:19] <Amaranth> Seamus: lateralus?
[18:19] <Seamus> Yeah.
[18:19] <askand> Amaranth: fglrx is the same drivers as you download from atisite? cause them support my card..
[18:19] <Amaranth> I imagine he has not good things to say about me :)
[18:19] <Amaranth> askand: yes
[18:19] <Amaranth> askand: I just answered this
[18:20] <Seamus> Those guys need to lighten up a little anyway.
[18:20] <askand> Amaranth: Ah ok.. well I wish you luck in fixing :)
[18:20] <Amaranth> askand: you have a radeon mobility 9000 or something, right?
[18:20] <Seamus> I think he mentioned you being "retarded" or something
[18:20] <askand> nono x600
[18:20] <Amaranth> askand: oh, in that case you won't get fixed
[18:20] <askand> :O
[18:20] <askand> :(
[18:20] <Amaranth> askand: the x600 mobility is one that is known broken
[18:20] <Amaranth> and the fglrx driver does support it
[18:20] <Seamus> Anyway, I saw your blog, so you're working on ATI drivers now?
[18:21] <Amaranth> Seamus: yeah, he is a very angry man :)
[18:21] <Seamus> how about making the nvidia VESA drivers not suck?
[18:21] <Amaranth> Seamus: nah, I don't work on drivers
[18:21] <Amaranth> i work on compiz :)
[18:21] <Seamus> oh that's right.
[18:21] <askand> Amaranth: hrm..what will happen when hardy is released? is there a way I can fix that manually then?
[18:21] <Amaranth> askand: you can start compiz with SKIP_CHECKS=yes
[18:22] <Amaranth> Seamus: I know a lot of high-level stuff about driver though, that's kind of required for this stuff :)
[18:22] <Seamus> Amaranth: Do you know what's wrong with emerald?  When I enable compiz it causes poor tab performance in firefox.
[18:22] <askand> Amaranth:  hm..but there must be a reason I must use skipchecks? what is wrong? im just curious :)
[18:22] <Amaranth> Seamus: the nouveau driver is getting very good, it's already better than nv (and nvidia) for 2D stuff
[18:22] <Amaranth> Seamus: emerald is a dead project, no one cares for it anymore
[18:22] <Seamus> does it support the quadro 570m laptop chip?
[18:22] <franek> hi
[18:22] <Amaranth> ah, you have an NV5x chip
[18:23] <Amaranth> in that case you'd be better off using the vesa driver, i think :P
[18:23] <Amaranth> they don't have any acceleration for NV5x yet
[18:23] <Seamus> uh, the performance with it sucks unless I dumb down the res
[18:23] <franek> i have lite problem :/
[18:23] <Amaranth> and they don't have any support (officially) for 3D
[18:23] <Amaranth> and it'll be quite some time before compiz works on nouveau
[18:23] <franek> i update my ubuntu 7.1 to 8.4 and
[18:24] <Seamus> and when I enable the nvidia drivers performance isn't much better, I think this is related to the stupid ass frequency scaling
[18:24] <franek> nautillus is now dead
[18:24] <Amaranth> askand: the driver is buggy, most people with your chip get random lockups or X crashes when compiz starts
[18:24] <Seamus> Amaranth: do you have any idea how to turn that frequency scaling BS off?
[18:24] <franek> I kant go to any directory....
[18:24] <askand> Amaranth: Oh I see, so the best would perhaps be to stay in gutsy? :)
[18:24] <franek> why is this?you know?
[18:24] <Amaranth> askand: no, it's actually broken in gutsy too :P
[18:25] <askand> :S
[18:25] <Amaranth> franek: can't say i've heard that one before
[18:25] <askand> Amaranth: it have worked flawless since gutsy alpha :O
[18:25] <Amaranth> askand: we actually tried to block the x600 mobility in gutsy too but there are too many variations and we missed a bunch
[18:25] <askand> Amaranth: thats good...cause it works great :)
[18:25] <Amaranth> so for hardy i took a hammer to it
[18:26] <Amaranth> Seamus: there is something, let me see if i can find it
[18:26] <franek> alpha for testing:)
[18:27] <Seamus> Amaranth: I did some google searches, forum searches, etc, one solution seems to be install drivers without the scaling.
[18:27] <franek> thanks this os is installed in pendrive:)
[18:27] <Seamus> But ideally I'd like to be able to increase the sensitivity so it isn't noticeable when it switches.
[18:28] <Seamus> or have it run at the middle performance level and then go to high when necessary.
[18:28] <Amaranth> Seamus: it's hard to search for this thing :P
[18:28] <franek> when to be final HH?
[18:29] <Amaranth> it's a option you pass to the kernel module to lock it to full performance
[18:29] <Amaranth> franek: april 24th
[18:29] <Seamus> Amaranth: ah.  Maybe there's something in /proc ?
[18:30] <franek> 37 days only hihi
[18:30] <askand> Amaranth: A last question..my ATI X600 card has worked very well with compiz in gutsy..will it work as well in hardy if I use the skipcheck thing? :)
[18:30] <Amaranth> askand: should
[18:31] <askand> Amaranth: great
[18:31] <Amaranth> Seamus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3873077&postcount=22
[18:31] <Seamus> Amaranth: if there's something in proc I can use I might be able to make it go full performance when I plug it in, enable the scaling when it's on battery
[18:31] <Seamus> by editing an acpi script.
[18:31] <Amaranth> Seamus: nope, you have to do it at module load time
[18:31] <franek> i'm new user and i'm so happy so using linux :)
[18:32] <Seamus> Doh.  Well thanks for the help anyway, Amaranth.
[18:32] <Seamus> this should suffice for now
[18:33] <franek> how to repair nautillus?
[18:33] <savvas> franek: if you're new to linux, you shouldn't use hardy, it's not stable yet
[18:36] <franek> I have hardy id hdd I wond only try hh:)
[18:37] <franek> achehh :P
[18:38] <franek> where there's a will, there's a way
[18:38] <savvas> < franek> how to repair nautillus? <- not with that kind of questions :)
[18:38] <savvas> have you updated?
[18:39] <ysth1> recently when I select a url in a terminal window and try to "Open Link", I get Could not open the address "...":
[18:39] <ysth1> There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[18:40] <franek> savvas hahahah
[18:40] <savvas> ysth1: a problem to link firefox, choose it from preferred applications at system > preferences > preferred applications
[18:41] <savvas> i think it's not reported
[18:41] <ysth1> gah, it's set to look for b3 still
[18:41] <franek> savvas you misadvise to use widwos?:P
[18:42] <savvas> franek: i was serious if you have updated
[18:42] <savvas> and you're using the main server in apt sources.list
[18:43] <ysth1> thanks
[18:43] <franek> i change repositorium 7.1 to 8.4 and update
[18:45] <savvas> franek: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop | grep -i "installed\|ubuntu\.com"
[18:49] <franek> 500 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[18:50] <franek> this shell give me
[18:50] <savvas> franek: system > administration > software sources > download from: main server > close > reload
[18:53] <franek> problem if i kant open software source i click an not work
[18:54] <franek> in desktop i dont have icons and right clic mouse 	be out of kilter
[18:59] <franek> encounter
[19:00] <askand> Is  xorg-driver-fglrx based on latest driver from ati? Is it updated when a new driver is released over there
[19:00] <franek> savvas thx:)
[19:00] <franek> by
[19:03] <jimmygoon> The Vinagre menu item text is decieving
[19:04] <jimmygoon> It implies more than simple VNC connections. How is this better than the Terminal Service Client? TSC supports liek 6x as many protocols
[19:09] <oxigen> my hd run on 46 celsius, is this normal?
[19:09] <jimmygoon> thats like around 100 degrees
[19:10] <oxigen> 100 degrees?
[19:10] <jimmygoon> F
[19:10] <oxigen> aha
[19:10] <jimmygoon> just saying
[19:10] <jimmygoon> 120F to be more exact
[19:11] <oxigen> 115F
[19:11] <savvas> celcius?
[19:11] <savvas> :)
[19:12]  * savvas shuts up :p
[19:12] <oxigen> :)
[19:21] <pen> I installed mplayer and mozilla-mplayer, when I stream a video it has no sound
[19:21] <pen> how can I solve this?
[19:22] <flipstar> you could try a different audio device.. mplayer -ao alsa for e.g.
[19:22] <pen> I tried
[19:22] <flipstar> you stream this video or watch this stream ?
[19:23] <pen> watch this stream
[19:24] <flipstar> does other clients have sound? like vlc or so
[19:24] <pen> before I install mplayer totem xine was doing a good job except it was laggy
[19:25] <pen> it is faster with mplayer but with no sound
[19:25] <flipstar> you already tried oss or pulse ?
[19:25] <flipstar> maybe codecs for mplayer are missing ..
[19:26] <pen> I have no idea
[19:26] <pen> pulse I'm not sure
[19:27] <pen> codecs missing? but I can watch mov files
[19:27] <pen> just no sound
[19:27] <pen> I think use alsa because I haven't changed any sound settings so I assume it uses alsa
[19:32] <savvas> pen: what video? real media? avi?
[19:34] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi!
[19:34] <pen> well, real media is still problematic, avi I think I can, but no sound in streaming
[19:34] <savvas> pen: try with realplayer: http://www.real.com/linux
[19:34] <savvas> it worked for me for some mobile videos and real media stuff i have
[19:35] <pen> savvas: ok, but let me solve the sound in mplayer first
[19:35] <pen> I don't understand
[19:35] <pen> why
[19:35] <nerdygirl_ellie> Does anyone have the linux-restricted-modules-nvidia driver working in hardy?  I had it working under Gutsy, but X won't start with it enabled in 8.04.  Something in the glx module is dying with an error message that I can now not recall.
[19:35] <pen> no sound in mplayer
[19:36] <savvas> pen: maybe restricted codecs, try get w64codecs or w32codecs from www.medibuntu.org
[19:36] <flipstar> pen: are local files of same format working ?
[19:36] <savvas> also you have to change your codecs in the preferences to make it work with mplayer i think
[19:36] <pen> well, for local files I use totem
[19:37] <flipstar> just try with mplayer once
[19:37] <pen> aha, no sound in mplayer on local files too
[19:38] <pen> it says can't open DirectShow codec wmvdmod.dll
[19:38] <flipstar> then see the tip above :)
[19:38] <pen> what is that?
[19:38] <pen> savvas: but is threre a repository for hardy?
[19:38] <gregory_> savvas: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[19:39] <savvas> pen: gutsy works for now
[19:39] <pen> are u using hardy?
[19:39] <savvas> yessir
[19:39] <pen> then how do I add the repository? with gusty?
[19:39] <savvas> yep
[19:39] <pen> ok, I will try
[19:40] <savvas> if it says gutsy, it doesn't mean it doesn't work on hardy :)
[19:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> are you looking for the hardy medibuntu repository?
[19:40] <pen> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[19:40] <pen> like this?
[19:41] <savvas> there is one?
[19:41] <savvas> hold a sec pen
[19:41] <savvas> nerdygirl_ellie: they opened the hardy repo at medibuntu?
[19:41] <nerdygirl_ellie> (checking)
[19:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> http://packages.medibuntu.org/hardy free non-free
[19:42] <savvas> well i'll be
[19:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> stick that in your System -> Administration -> Software Sources -> third party software
[19:44] <savvas> pen: do as nerdygirl_ellie suggested, press add and add the line: http://packages.medibuntu.org/hardy free non-free
[19:44] <nerdygirl_ellie> Then you can see what's available via systeem -> administration -> synaptic -> The origin button in the lower left -> select packages.medibuntu.org (free/non-free/main)
[19:44] <pen> ok
[19:45] <pen> that's nice
[19:46]  * nerdygirl_ellie installed acroread, w32codecs, and non-free-codecs (in suspected violation of a number of federal laws)
[19:46] <savvas> pen: don't forget to add the key btw
[19:46] <pen> is it the same as the gusty one?
[19:46] <pen> if so then it's already added
[19:46] <savvas> yep
[19:46] <savvas> ok
[19:47] <pen> well
[19:47] <pen> still have no sound
[19:48] <pen> and now it says there is no sound device
[19:49] <pen> savvas: how do you configure your pulse?
[19:50] <savvas> easy, I use less salt in my diet
[19:50] <savvas> :p
[19:50] <pen> pulseaudio :p
[19:50] <savvas> and i try not to strain myself lol
[19:50] <pen> I'm a bit unhappy with it
[19:51] <pen> I have waste all this morning trying to make this work
[19:51] <savvas> also, a good effector to increase it is adrenaline aka epinephrine :P
[19:51] <savvas> hum
[19:51] <savvas> well.. I don't use pulseaudio :)
[19:51] <pen> are you using hardy?
[19:52] <savvas> yes
[19:52] <pen> holycow, the sound is up!!
[19:52] <pen> shit, firefox is taking the sound device
[19:52] <pen> that's why
[19:52] <savvas> according to volume control, i use oss mixer
[19:53] <pen> you can change that
[19:53] <pen> in sound settings
[19:53] <savvas> neah
[19:53] <savvas> it works
[19:53] <savvas> :)
[19:54] <pen> :)
[19:54] <pen> savvas: thx you and the other guy for the repo
[19:54] <pen> now I'm happy
[19:54] <pen> :D
[19:57] <savvas> *girl
[19:57] <savvas> :P
[19:57] <savvas> I suppose nerdygirl_ellie is a girl :)
[19:59] <nerdygirl_ellie> (Thanks for noticing! :) )
[20:00] <nerdygirl_ellie> the L-r-m nvidia driver/module... is it working for anyone?
[20:12] <Gnine> is libc6 safe to update from 2.6.24-11-generic x86_64  yet
[20:14] <savvas> Gnine: sudo apt-get update; apt-cache policy libc6
[20:15] <flipstar> libc6 version 2.7-9ubuntu2 should be safe
[20:15] <Gnine> 104
[20:16] <Gnine> that was 10-4 message acknowledged, flip
[20:17] <savvas> hehehe
[20:23] <clusty> hey
[20:24] <clusty> some weird stuff is going on with the python-wx package
[20:24] <clusty> it won;t install cleanly
[20:24] <clusty> ....update
[20:24] <clusty> is it just me?
[20:25] <savvas> try reinstall it
[20:26] <clusty> apt-get install -f?
[20:26] <flipstar> no changes to python-wx ..
[20:27] <clusty> Setting up python-wxgtk2.8 (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2) ...
[20:27] <clusty> file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxaddons/__init__.py
[20:27] <clusty> file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxaddons/setup.py
[20:27] <clusty> file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxaddons/sized_controls.py
[20:27] <clusty> its wxgtk
[20:27] <clusty> sorry
[20:27] <Gnine> if system is still operational i suggest wait 'til next update
[20:27] <clusty> i can wait no sweat
[20:27] <clusty> no idea who needs the wx stuff
[20:28] <clusty> ...also, was curious of another thing:
[20:28] <clusty> my ACPI reports 3 sesors and i have no idea which is what
[20:28] <clusty> DTS01 ATF0
[20:28] <clusty> is there some standard naming scheme?
[20:29] <clusty> DTS0/DTS1
[20:31] <Gnine> i run with noacpi so cant help you there
[20:32] <clusty> probably the DTS stuff are the 2 cores
[20:32] <clusty> anyways
[20:32] <Gnine> perhaps
[20:32] <clusty> ...yet another mystery :D
[20:37] <flipstar> i have no systemsetting>advanced>system services :(
[20:37] <flipstar> it always say some problem occured and hangs at 0%
[20:39] <Gnine> i dont have those menus at all
[20:40] <Gnine> recap. i do have Services in system>administration
[20:42]  * flipstar running kde
[20:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> clusty: I have the same problem, and have for the last couple of updates.  I am ignoring it.
[20:42] <Gnine> gnome here
[20:42] <clusty> nerdygirl_ellie, cute
[20:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> does anyone have the restricted nvidia module working in hardy?
[20:42] <RAOF> nerdygirl_ellie: Yes.
[20:42] <clusty> mine
[20:42] <clusty> but with envy
[20:43] <Galga> hmm the service manager authentication / unlock idea is cool :)
[20:43]  * RAOF wonders why people use envy on testing systems.  Especially when nvidia-glx-new is the latest released driver.
[20:43] <clusty> a bit too suse-like :(
[20:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> RAOF: X won't start when I enable it here.  Are you using nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[20:44] <clusty> RAOF, because somehow the modules screw up
[20:44] <RAOF> nerdygirl_ellie: nvidia-glx-new.
[20:44] <clusty> RAOF, ...constantly
[20:44]  * nerdygirl_ellie admits she has no idea, but that her WoW performance sucks without nv.
[20:44] <RAOF> clusty: Generally, because you've used Envy, yes :)
[20:44] <clusty> nope
[20:44] <clusty> this is first time i use envy
[20:44]  * flipstar uses binary packages from nvidia.com
[20:44] <clusty> growing tired switching to the intel card till new update comes out
[20:45] <Galga> besides which services i can safely turn off ? power management ?
[20:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> flipstar: do they still used the .sh installer, or did they publish a repository.  For the record, since my issue is with GLX, that won't help me.
[20:45] <flipstar> they provide a binary..but with a nice installer script..
[20:45] <clusty> Galga, you that strapped on resources?
[20:45] <Galga> acpid, apmd
[20:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> RAOF: thanks, I'll try it tonight...
[20:45] <Gnine> nvidia Go6100 with nvidia-glx-new. ok. no issues
[20:46] <dr_evil> I'm dist-upgrading right now, installing the last 324 updates. X just shut down/crashed/quit, doesn't appear to be normal. anyone got an idea?
[20:46] <Galga> clusty: not really, but wanted to test any performance gain.
[20:46] <clusty> dr_evil, check X logs
[20:47] <flipstar> dr_evil: use update-manager/upgrade without X
[20:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> Grine:  Do you know if it will an nVidia G72M [GeForce Go 7400]  (from lspci)
[20:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> s/will/'will work'
[20:47] <dr_evil> i'll check, can still login on console :)
[20:47] <flipstar> dr_evil: X doesnt work anymore ?
[20:47] <clusty> nerdygirl_ellie, i have a 7400
[20:48] <nerdygirl_ellie> clusty:  Could I sweet talk you out of a dpkg -l and a copy of your x config?  Pretty Please?
[20:48] <clusty> anything for nerdy galz
[20:49] <clusty> not a lot of those in the linux world :D
[20:49] <Gnine> i assume that should be the case, nerdygirl_ellie .. otherwise my testing with nvidia has always been succesful
[20:49] <nerdygirl_ellie> clusty: Did you get my pm?
[20:50] <clusty> yah
[20:50] <clusty> in preocess
[20:50] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gnine: Thanks.  Clusty has it working, I'm going to see what's different between our configs.
[20:50] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gnine Clusty RAOF:  Thanks all.
[20:55] <Raspberry> any suggestions for more stability with the npviewer flash plugin for firefox?  seems to crash after each use
[20:56] <dr_evil> flipstar I'm not sure what happened. but I now completed the update using dpkg --update -a
[20:56] <dr_evil> and I try a reboot
[20:57] <dr_evil> but yes, X wasnt running anymore
[20:57] <RAOF> Raspberry: Are you up-to-date?  The -2ubuntu1 version should offer loss crashes :)
[20:57] <Raspberry> yeah
[20:57] <Raspberry> patched up as of an hour ago
[20:57] <Raspberry> it doesn't say it crashed every time -- flash just stops working
[20:58] <dr_evil> uahhh, its alive and running again
[21:09] <Agrajag-> g'day, is anyone else getting some webpages rendered with huge fonts in ff3b4? e.g. twinklephone.com
[21:09] <Agrajag-> didn't happen with beta 3
[21:09] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: are the icons huge too?
[21:10] <Agrajag-> spideylinux: what icons? images on the webpages are normal size
[21:10] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: like the back button and the status bar
[21:10] <Agrajag-> no, they're normal
[21:11] <Agrajag-> just fonts
[21:11] <lepta> having great problems over ubuntu hardy with xorg .. cant dpkg-reconfigure it properly,.. anyone can explain me why i cant configure the driver and resolution section?
[21:11] <Agrajag-> on some webpages. e.g. google.com is fine, twinklephone.com is not
[21:11] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: ok, that's a different issuse than I had
[21:12] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: You might need to set your font size max, google uses their own
[21:12] <Agrajag-> spideylinux: i've tried changing the font size, doesn't seem to change much. even unchecking "Allow pages to use their own fonts ..." doesn't fix it
[21:13] <clusty> Agrajag-, tried ctrl and spin mouse wheel? :D
[21:13] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: that's weird
[21:14] <Agrajag-> yes, but that makes pages look horrible, as the aspect of other elements does not change
[21:14] <Black_Magic> how do i get this package for hardy
[21:14] <Black_Magic>  openssl-devel
[21:14] <flipstar> Agrajag-: maybe forcing 96dbi helps..
[21:15] <Agrajag-> flipstar: force 96dbi where?
[21:15] <jpatrick> !info openssl-devel hardy | Black_Magic
[21:15] <ubotu> black_magic: Package openssl-devel does not exist in hardy
[21:15] <clusty> sudo apt-get install libssl
[21:15] <clusty> pick version
[21:15] <Black_Magic> :/...
[21:15] <clusty> !info libssl-dev
[21:15] <ubotu> libssl-dev (source: openssl): SSL development libraries, header files and documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.8g-4ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1896 kB, installed size 5532 kB
[21:15] <Black_Magic> E: Package libssl has no installation candidate
[21:16] <flipstar> Agrajag-: dont know where it is in gnome..under apereance somewhere i guess
[21:17] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: check your about:config, layout.css.dpi
[21:17] <Agrajag-> default, -1
[21:17] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: I think you can set that to 96 to force the dpi for firefox
[21:18] <Agrajag-> ok.. gnome dpi is already 96dpi
[21:18] <wurst> hardy <3
[21:18] <wurst> good job, guys ;)
[21:18] <Agrajag-> hmm.. now fonts are tiny
[21:18] <Black_Magic> thx
[21:19] <Agrajag-> wait.. that might just be firefox remembering that i changed the font size
[21:19] <Agrajag-> yeah. looks good now
[21:19] <Agrajag-> wonder why it's getting the gnome dpi wrong
[21:20] <spideylinux> Agrajag`: don't know but I had a similar problem with Beta3 and had to force it
[21:21] <wurst> what about language files for firefox 3?
[21:21] <wurst> will they get included soon?
[21:23] <Agrajag-> does anyone here happen to use twinkle? i just can't get it to work with pulseaudio. twinkle uses alsa, and other alsa apps work fine, but twinkle blocks the device, and wont work if other apps are using the device
[21:28] <ethana2> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5047/
[21:28] <ethana2> Any thoughts on this?
[21:31] <flipstar> i dont get it
[21:32] <ethana2> flipstar: two users, one machine, same time
[21:33] <ethana2> flipstar: with 2 of everything else you'd expect, but i made due with one stereo out
[21:33] <ethana2> ...and just split it into two mono sinks, giving one to each user
[21:35] <flipstar> usally you can play different things at the same time..you tried using alsa instead ?
[21:41] <ethana2> oh wait, sorry
[21:41] <ethana2> ...what?
[21:41] <ethana2> no alsa
[21:41] <ethana2> one user has one speaker from my stereo set
[21:41] <ethana2> the other user has the other speaker
[21:42] <ethana2> ....there are no exceptions to that policy
[21:42] <ethana2> it's as good as hardware, from the userland
[21:42] <flipstar> oh..then setting on channel to left and on the other users channel to right doesnt work..?
[21:43] <ethana2> i made two virtual sound devices that things can use
[21:43] <ethana2> one is the right speaker
[21:43] <ethana2> one is the left speaker
[21:43] <ethana2> ...each user has their own ... i think it's like
[21:43] <ethana2> default.pulse or something
[21:43] <ethana2> in their home, that tells them which one to use
[21:43] <flipstar> okay..this is probably more advanced
[21:43] <ethana2> it's not as elegant as it could be, that is.. each user has to use the same seat
[21:44] <ethana2> or they're not placed properly
[21:44] <ethana2> but we haven't had any issues
[21:56] <ethana2> how are updates liking us all today?
[21:56] <ethana2> safe?
[21:57] <flipstar> more or less
[21:57] <ethana2> more or less?
[21:57] <ethana2> well, as long as nothing completely explodes
[21:57] <ethana2> and leaves me with my livecd to clean it up
[21:57] <ethana2> ..it's good enough for me, i guess
[21:58] <flipstar> at least i didnt had critical issues
[21:59] <Splex> I am unable to load thunderbird, not sure why... anyone else having this trouble?
[22:00] <Splex> When i run 'thunderbird' from console, nothing happens, no errors are shown, no window comes up
[22:01] <flipstar> hm there were no changes to thunderbird in the last few weeks..
[22:01] <Splex> Yeah I know,  it makes no sense
[22:01] <Splex> it was working yesterday
[22:01] <flipstar> just try reinstalling ..
[22:01] <Splex> i did twice
[22:02] <flipstar> you probably didnt changed any ?
[22:02] <Niklas_E> is there any fix for /dev/null device? it makes the login go crazy
[22:02] <Splex> and i tried moving my ~/.mozilla-thunderbird dir
[22:02] <Splex> nothing comes up
[22:02] <flipstar> Niklas_E: what do you mean ?
[22:02] <Splex> im not sure where to check for any logs/errors for that prog.
[22:02] <flipstar> Splex: try backup all you settings then purge it and reinstall ..
[22:03] <Splex> what do you mean by purge?
[22:03] <Niklas_E> well, when I login (as my normal user, in terminal) it says something about /dev/null, and repeating that and it goes away if I do chmod o+rw /dev/null
[22:04] <Splex> 'mark for complete removal' ?
[22:04] <flipstar> Splex: sudo apt-get purge.. or sudo apt-get remove --purge
[22:04] <flipstar> yep
[22:04] <Niklas_E> the null is only crw-rw----
[22:04] <kumarphilly> whens the beta suppose to be out?
[22:04] <flipstar> two days
[22:04] <kumarphilly> nice
[22:04] <flipstar> testing isos are already out
[22:05] <kumarphilly> alpha users wont have to do anything
[22:05] <kumarphilly> correct
[22:05] <kumarphilly> ?
[22:05] <flipstar> alpha isnt beta..so we have to update..
[22:05] <kumarphilly> will i have to redownload an iso
[22:05] <kumarphilly> and install it
[22:06] <kumarphilly> or distribution upgrade?
[22:06] <Splex> flipstar:  I just purged it, and installed again.   Same problem =/
[22:06] <flipstar> wired thing
[22:06] <flipstar> kumarphilly: just update as usual
[22:06] <kumarphilly> ah
[22:07] <kumarphilly> and at final release
[22:07] <kumarphilly> smae thing?
[22:07] <protocol1> when does hardy release?
[22:07] <flipstar> !final
[22:07] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[22:07] <flipstar> yep
[22:07] <flipstar> protocol1: on 8.04 ..
[22:07] <protocol1> flipstar, yeah
[22:08] <kumarphilly> thanks
[22:08] <kumarphilly> anyone use hosting serce
[22:08] <protocol1> flipstar, April?
[22:08] <flipstar> yep,april
[22:08] <protocol1> cool
[22:08] <flipstar> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule for details
[22:09] <kumarphilly> does anyone know a good hosting servicwe
[22:11] <Niklas_E> where can I download the cd ?
[22:12] <flipstar> "the cd"..which cd..?
[22:12] <Niklas_E> 8.04
[22:12] <kumarphilly> like iso image to burn?
[22:12] <Niklas_E> dev, iso
[22:12] <kumarphilly> torrents!
[22:12] <Niklas_E> yeah
[22:12] <wurst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:12] <flipstar> or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[22:13] <Niklas_E> thanks
[22:13] <kumarphilly> if you use http:/ftp to download it then get a eureopean server
[22:13] <kumarphilly> torrents only use if you have settings and know what your doing
[22:13] <kumarphilly> anyone notice that the main server was being as slow as hell
[22:14] <kumarphilly> i was installing azureus a few days ago
[22:14] <kumarphilly> and it was going 20 b/s
[22:14] <kumarphilly> im like screw this.... then i changed it to some randome one:-p
[22:14] <flipstar> i dont like azureus anyway
[22:14] <gregcha117> my sound isnt working anymore can anyone help?
[22:15] <Splex> what is the best/fastest torrent client for linux?
[22:15] <kumarphilly> speed all are same
[22:15] <kumarphilly> i use azreus
[22:15] <kumarphilly> ** azureus
[22:15] <Splex> ahh ok, yeah i do also
[22:15] <flipstar> no ..some support extra features..
[22:15] <kumarphilly> ah...
[22:15] <Splex> i use vuze
[22:16] <kumarphilly> my ISP blocks torretns
[22:16] <kumarphilly> so i have to edit ip tables
[22:16] <kumarphilly> :-(
[22:16] <flipstar> just change port and use encryption
[22:16] <Splex> wow, they block torrents??
[22:16] <flipstar> some isp just *****
[22:17] <kumarphilly> flipstar, nah that doesnt work..
[22:17] <kumarphilly> they block rsd or something..
[22:17] <flipstar> impossible
[22:17] <flipstar> if you use encryption..everything is encrypted
[22:18] <gregcha117> can anyone help me get my sound back?
[22:18] <spideylinux> gregcha117: what kernel are you running?
[22:19] <gregcha117> 2.6.24-12-386
[22:19] <crimsun> why are you running -386?
[22:20] <crimsun> (vice -generic)
[22:20] <gregcha117> it was the default entry when i updated
[22:20] <ethana2> *sigh*
[22:20] <spideylinux> gregcha117: try going back to 2.6.24-11, people are having problems with sound on -12
[22:20] <ethana2> no wait
[22:21] <ethana2> -12 had two releases
[22:21] <ethana2> the second one sound works fine
[22:21] <flipstar> try the generic one first..
[22:21] <ethana2> yeah
[22:21] <gregcha117> alright ill test out the generic one then
[22:21] <crimsun> ethana2: right, because -386 won't pull in l-u-m
[22:21] <gregcha117> k thanks ill try that
[22:21] <crimsun> alsa now sits in l-u-m and not in l-i
[22:21] <flipstar> l-u-m ?
[22:21] <flipstar> oO
[22:22] <crimsun> linux-ubuntu-modules
[22:22] <flipstar> oh
[22:28] <Splex> flipstar:  it was suggested to me that i try running strace thunderbird....  i am seeing a lot of 'No such file or directory' when it is trying to open libc.so.6
[22:28] <Splex> so, im thinking maybe what is in the title of this channel happened to me
[22:29] <flipstar> you still running an older vesion?
[22:31] <Splex> i ran all updates
[22:31] <Splex> i think it broke when i ran today's libc upgrade
[22:37] <K4k-work> Does anyone know about a problem with any of the updates for 8.04 breaking the network connection?
[22:37] <K4k-work> I have checked resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces and everything is set properly, however, ifconfig says that I don't have an IP
[22:37] <K4k-work> and I have tried restarting the network interface
[22:38] <Splex> k4k, what network device do you use?
[22:38] <Splex> I had that problem too
[22:38] <K4k-work> wired
[22:38] <K4k-work> it's built into my laptop
[22:38] <Splex> ohh, is it intel?
[22:38] <K4k-work> yes
[22:39] <Ward1983_> how's hardy these days? nothing for users yet i presume?
[22:39] <K4k-work> Splex: o, it's broadcom
[22:39] <K4k-work> sorry
[22:39] <K4k-work> brain fart
[22:39] <K4k-work> I have IPW wireless and broadcom wired
[22:39] <Splex> im using the ipw3945,  had troubles as soon as i updated acpi-support from 0.105 to 0.106
[22:40] <K4k-work> so just role back acpi-support then?
[22:40] <Splex> only have the problem when i run 2.6.24-12
[22:40] <Splex> when i run 2.6.22, seems to work fine
[22:40] <K4k-work> I had it with *-11 too
[22:40] <K4k-work> it doesn't matter which I boot to
[22:41] <K4k-work> it worked before I updated though with *-11
[22:41] <Splex> that is all you updated before it broke?
[22:41] <K4k-work> no, I just ran apt-get upgrade and then rebooted
[22:41] <K4k-work> it got like 300 something updates
[22:44] <raul> hallo pple i cant configure my radeon hd 2400 pro on hardy
[22:44] <raul> because i cant install ati drivers fglrx on hardy
[22:44] <Splex> k4k-work: do you know which intel module you use?
[22:45] <raul> because dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg cant configure the driver section
[22:45] <J-_> Is wireless broke?
[22:45] <K4k-work> Splex: for the wireless it's ipw3945 and for the wired it's a broadcom...something
[22:45] <raul> can anybody help me please?
[22:45] <Splex> J-:  which wireless do you use?
[22:45] <Ward1983_> how's hardy these days? nothing for users yet i presume?
[22:45] <raul> iwl3945 by the way\
[22:45] <J-_> Splex: how can I find out?
[22:45] <Splex> me too
[22:45] <raul> is newer
[22:45] <Splex> seems we are all having similar problem here
[22:46] <K4k-work> I'm currently trying to downgrade acpi-support but I can't seem to force version on it
[22:46] <K4k-work> is there a way to restore the version from the CD?
[22:46] <gregcha117> well restarting using the generic kernel didnt help my sound problems at all
[22:47] <J-_> can I go down a kernel version to see if wireless is still broke, or, will it not work like that?
[22:47] <raul> first of all.. just be sure to switch on the hardware button
[22:47] <raul> for you wireless
[22:47] <raul> your*
[22:47] <raul> however anyone willing to help on a radeon hd on brand new hardy xorg?
[22:48] <K4k-work> raul: is there just no fglrx package for hardy yet or something?
[22:48] <raul> is not a matter of fglrx.. but a matter of xorg
[22:48] <raul> i installed fglrx
[22:48] <K4k-work> ah
[22:48] <K4k-work> I have experience with fglrx, what do you need to know?
[22:49] <Splex> J-:  you can find what model by running 'lspci' in console
[22:49] <Ward1983_> please ignore me
[22:50] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: to answer you question you all but need to read everything we're saying. YMMV
[22:50] <Splex> J-: when i run 2.6.22-14 my wireless works, if i run 2.6.24-12, then it doesn't work...  but i think the problem is related to acpi-support 0.106
[22:51] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, i qssume people without trouble dont come here :)
[22:51] <Pici> Splex: What arch are you running in .24?
[22:51] <Ward1983_> doesnt mean they dont exist
[22:51] <Splex> before i updated from 0.105 to 0.106, wireless was fine
[22:51] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: more then likely
[22:51] <Splex> right when i updated that package, wireless went offline
[22:51] <Pici> Make sure you're on -generic not -i386
[22:51] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: you could always try it. It seems to work pretty well, the only gripe I have is this network being broken at the moment
[22:51] <K4k-work> it seems to be a lot faster then Gutsy
[22:52] <J-_> Splex: my wireless card is an Intel Prop/ Wireless 3945ABG
[22:52] <J-_> pro*
[22:52] <Splex> and every time i start, i get : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60104/
[22:53] <Splex> J-: same as me, except mine is not pro
[22:53] <Ward1983_> i was thinking of trying it for my little home server (unimported server)
[22:53] <Ward1983_> unimporTANT server
[22:53] <J-_> hmm
[22:53] <Splex> for some reason, radio frequency kill switch is on... but i don't have any physical 'switch' on my notebook
[22:53] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: for a server application I would recommend sticking with the current stable dist
[22:53] <J-_> my wireless switch is always on
[22:54] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, but its not an important server, its just to fool around and try out stuff
[22:54] <K4k-work> Then this might be what you want
[22:54] <Splex> J:  i think this is nothing to do with the actual switch... it is some sort of hw thing
[22:54] <K4k-work> it's just a matter of what you're looking for
[22:54] <J-_> Splex: yep
[22:54] <Ward1983_> this way i could do two things at the same time
[22:54] <Ward1983_> test the new ubuntu, and setup my little server
[22:54] <J-_> Splex: have you tried updating today?
[22:55] <Splex> yes, i am totally up-to-date
[22:55] <J-_> so no new updates have been released today?
[22:55] <J-_> hmm
[22:55] <Splex> earlier today there were some updates
[22:55] <K4k-work> Actually, has the beta been released publicly yet?
[22:55] <Splex> with libc6
[22:55] <K4k-work> I see that the beta freeze happened a few days ago
[22:56] <J-_> I wonder if that aspci update messed up the laptop, not yesterday, but day before
[22:56] <flipstar> K4k-work: only for testing yet
[22:56] <Splex> that is when i hate the problem
[22:56] <J-_> hmmm
[22:56] <Splex> there was a time where i updated one thing, it was acpi-support
[22:56] <Splex> and right after the update finished, my wireless stopped working
[22:56] <K4k-work> hm...2 days...maybe I can live without my laptop till then
[22:56] <J-_> I'm gonna go update, there might be a fix, brb
[22:57] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, you should get a spare (old second hand) laptop if you got the money :)
[22:57] <K4k-work> Ward1983_: negative
[22:58] <K4k-work> ...I'm in college
[22:58] <K4k-work> since when do college kids have money
[22:58] <Ward1983_> K4k-work, im unemployed, even worse
[22:58] <K4k-work> ouch
[22:59] <Ward1983_> doing a course though
[22:59] <Ward1983_> CCNA 1 and 2 included, some server stuff, hardware, ...
[23:00] <Ward1983_> every damn day for 4 months, and then 2 months "stage" dunno the correct term in english, but its working in a company for free to get experience in the field
[23:06] <K4k-work> hm...I'm curious, maybe the driver didn't stay put when I updated the kernel...I'm going to see if I can't find a deb package for my broadcom driver'
[23:08] <K4k-work> gah, bugger I guess I'll just live with it till Thursday
[23:09] <Arand> does anybody know what fglrx vresion that's durrently supplied by jockey?
[23:09] <Arand> I am not really sure what the version numbers actually mean
[23:10] <Arand> there's a 8-3 something at the end, does that imply that it is indeed v. 8.3 that's in the repos?
[23:10] <J-_> hmm, wireless is still broke
[23:10] <thompa> does anyone know how to fix the sound in ubuntu 64 I am 2.6.24-11-generic
[23:11] <thompa> i mean no sound card issue
[23:12] <Arand> wasn't that due to kernel? tried *.12 ?
[23:12] <thompa> Arand: that the one that dont work here
[23:12] <J-_> will backing down a kernel get wireless working for now?
[23:12] <thompa> yes
[23:13] <J-_> k
[23:13]  * J-_ tries
[23:13] <thompa> -11 if its atheros
[23:13] <thompa> maybe worked for me
[23:13] <J-_> I'm on an Intel hehe
[23:13]  * J-_ tries
[23:13] <thompa> there is something wrong with the acpi in acer plastic box
[23:14] <thompa> like there is no acpi
[23:15] <Arand> I heard there was a lot of dabbling in the acpi lately, my network was broken just recently for example, so that might be it...
[23:15] <thompa> i think there are two bugs on the atheros wireless and it broke after something about backporting acer_acpi
[23:16] <mithraic> Do I have any reason to believe that a HH install will fix my Xorg, open-source ATI driver, and xrandr so that rotating my display doesn't freeze the machine?
[23:16] <thompa> what is the new module for acer_acpi?
[23:17] <Flannel> mithraic: Its got an updated xorg.  So possibly.  You could try a liveCD (although failure on liveCD isn't sufficient to mandate failure on install)
[23:18] <Splex> J-_: my ipw3945 works in 2.6.22-14 with all the current updates installed.
[23:19] <mithraic> It's too bad there's no straightforward way to downgrade Hardy to Gutsy (or is there?)
[23:19] <Splex> seems things broke with acpi-support package 0.106, im not sure what exactly....
[23:19] <Flannel> mithraic: no, downgrading is a messy process (although not technically impossible)
[23:19] <mithraic> Thanks, Flannel.
[23:20] <mithraic> This is a pretty expendable machine (basically just runs a VNC client), so I'll just upgrade and see what happens. :)
[23:21] <Flannel> mithraic: that's the spirit ;)
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> savvas: ping
[23:22] <J-_> weird, I only kernel's -8 and -12 I think it was
[23:22] <J-_> wireless no workie, either.
[23:22] <J-_> =S
[23:22] <mithraic> Incidentally, running Synergy + VNC is a lovely combo. Gives me an extended desktop from machine 1 (a laptop, which otherwise supports only 1 external display), but if I keep moving left, synergy kicks in and I'm controlling machine 2!
[23:22] <Splex> J-_ which arch?
[23:23] <J-_> x86
[23:24] <J-_> I hope my router isn't borked
[23:31] <J-_> it's weird, lsat night my wireless, just stopped working. I'm not sure if it was from an update or not
[23:31] <flipstar> probably yes
[23:33] <chaosrl> does anyone know how to configure sound in hardy?
[23:33] <Dr_willis> I thought it was the same as in gutsy - the alsa tools.
[23:34] <chaosrl> mm, i just updated from gutsy and when i try to open the volume control, i get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:34] <Arand> has anybody experienced mounted media permissions not working, as decribed in Bug #198403
[23:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198403 in ubuntu "file permissions not working for mounted media" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198403
[23:35] <J-_> I was having problems before, but I think I fixed them. Although, I didn't know what I was doing.
[23:36] <J-_> with the mounted midea issue
[23:36] <J-_> media*
[23:36] <Raspberry> hmm
[23:37] <Raspberry> the inconsistancies with dual displays and gdm / X has really gotta get fixed
[23:37] <Raspberry> I need to go find a bug on this or file it
[23:38] <Raspberry> when I can CTRL+ALT+BKSP and get the display to pop up on both monitors and then do it again and only get it on one... then do it again and only get it on 1 then do it again and get it on both and do it again and get it on both... and then restart and it works on both... it just makes no sense
[23:39] <Arand> The media permissions thing has folowed me all through alpha 4-6 and is still there, I'm getting a bit worried...
[23:42] <J-_> Arand: I'd turn my external drive on, it worked, and wouldn't. Then wanted to change permissions so I right clicked /media/disk as root in nautilus, fooled around with the gui and figured out permissions whereas I could only write as root, but when copying the file to my desktop, it wa sstill protected.   And I lefti t like that.
[23:45] <Arand> Mo problem is with an internal, ntfs partition...
[23:46] <J-_> ah
[23:46] <Arand> And the permissions when i click properties or do a "ls -l" clearly shows up as non-writable for non-root users, but yet I can write all I want as non-root!
[23:47] <Dr_willis> Im thinking thats becuase the ntfs-3g drivers are set to allow it that way.
[23:47] <Dr_willis> You normally dont set permissions on the mountpoint for ntfs/vfat filesystems.
[23:48] <J-_> I got rid of ntfs as fast as I could. I don't know much about the filesystem, but I know it's in relation to windows. And there's only 1 Vistabox in this house, and 3 Linux, 1 Linux server here. The Vistabox isn't mine though =)
[23:49] <Arand> hmm, I've set permissions in fstab... That worked just fine in Gutsy.
[23:50] <J-_> Yeah I did that by following a tutorial a while ago with my destop pc before getting this laptop, and I didn't like how I did it
[23:50] <Dr_willis> I rarely mess with ntfs-3g much. So i havent checked its docs.
[23:50] <Arand> ntfs is beacause I use XP as main system.
[23:50] <Dr_willis> you could always just not automount the ntfs filesystems, that way only root can mount them.
[23:51] <J-_> I like sudoing into a drive to remove, or add anything to it. Reading as user.
[23:51] <Arand> But it worked fine to do this in Gutsy! That's what's bothering me, it should work in hardy to in my opinion...
[23:53] <shirish> guys after today's updates, my power-manager doesn't function
[23:54] <J-_> I wish WPA2 worked on my router/ Hardy, but I haven't got it to work so I use WPA. Maybe I'm having these problems because someone is cracking the connection, I don't know. Like last night before changing the password, I didn;t have a secure router until I changed the password. Before when it worked it was always secure.
[23:54] <Arand> shirish: in what way
[23:55] <shirish> Arand: I have gnome-power-preferences set up as Put display to sleep when inactive for more than 2 minutes
[23:55] <shirish> its been 5 hours & it still hasn't put the display to sleep :(
[23:56] <Dr_willis> shirish,  perhaos its using the webcam to see that you are watching it.... (kidding!)
[23:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:56] <shirish> :)
[23:56] <RainCT> hey
[23:56] <Arand> shirish: Hum... for me it seems to think the computer is "idle" all the time, and runs on constant low brightness.
[23:57] <Arand> mebbe something's up with power-m
[23:57] <RainCT> I've just upgraded to Hardy and I can't get my 3G modem to work anymore (I'm on another PC with Gutsy right now)...
[23:57] <RainCT> any idea?
[23:57] <Arand> I'm going to check if I get any low-battery messages...
[23:58] <shirish> Arand: I'm on a desktop
[23:58] <Arand> aha...
[23:59] <shirish> somebody filed that bug about 12 hours ago
[23:59] <shirish> Bug #203513
[23:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513


[13:26] <sybariten> oh hai
[13:26] <sybariten> i am having problems with my live xubuntu distros.... on USB memory.
[13:27] <pmjdebruijn> please describe the problem you have
[13:27] <pmjdebruijn> and stick around
[13:27] <sybariten> I used to run the last version (15?) for a long time and it worked flawlessly, i always boot up, change the keyuboard, do an apt-get update and then i'm good to go, zillions of applications to install
[13:27] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[13:28] <sybariten> Suddenly i felt like apt-get update didnt work anymore when booting that one, so i figured it had reached end of life or something and DLed the latest version instead. I have tried burning it to a couple of USB memories.
[13:28] <pmjdebruijn> "burning"?
[13:28] <sybariten> Here is what happens, as a small log, after i've booted into a desktop and opened a terminal : https://pastebin.com/bKRgHWXx
[13:28] <pmjdebruijn> oh fun
[13:28] <sybariten> Yeah well installing it... DD:ing it....
[13:28] <pmjdebruijn> appstream bug
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> it's had a few
[13:29] <sybariten> aha, something youve seen before?
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> not exactly this
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> but similarish
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> which 16.04 is this precisely?
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> 16.04
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> or 16.04.3?
[13:29] <sybariten> I figured for a while that maybe there was a physical problem with the USB memory, i mean, it could happen.... and that apt would run into problems because of that. But ive tried it on two different memories, same story
[13:29] <sybariten> let me see... i am not running it now, ofcourse, but i think i have the ISO on this win computer
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> nah appstream has had a few issues along the way
[13:30] <sybariten> xubuntu-16.04-desktop-i386.iso
[13:30] <pmjdebruijn> I'm guessing you used 16.04
[13:30] <pmjdebruijn> which is really old now
[13:30] <sybariten> oh really?
[13:30] <pmjdebruijn> download xubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[13:30] <sybariten> but is that also on the site?
[13:30] <pmjdebruijn> that's 16.04 with all updated till two months ago integrated in it
[13:30] <pmjdebruijn> I think appstream was fixed shortly after 16.04, so 16.04.1 probably alraedy no longe rhas the issue
[13:31] <sybariten> oh really
[13:31] <sybariten> i dont know much about these versions... lemme go to the site and check
[13:32] <sybariten> Wait a minute, theyre also talking about a 17.x verison?
[13:33] <sybariten> oh i see where i did wrong now, i actually picked the topmost iso in a long listing on a mirror... and there were some others furthter down, i missed that. Theres .1 .2 and .3
[13:39] <pmjdebruijn> indeed
[13:39] <pmjdebruijn> so it's all 16.04, but with updates integrated
[13:40] <pmjdebruijn> generally it's not a bad idea to stick to LTS releases like 16.04
[13:40] <pmjdebruijn> 17.04/17.10 are entirely new releases with even newer software integrated, but these releases are sometimes more buggier, it totally depends
[13:46] <roses> im looking for an app that will tell me when my network connection stops working, also at what time there is no longer a connection
[13:57] <pmjdebruijn> roses: for just one system? or at ascale
[13:57] <pmjdebruijn> smokeping might be what you're looking for
[13:57] <pmjdebruijn> or pingdom
[13:57] <pmjdebruijn> pingdom is cloud meh
[13:58] <pmjdebruijn> if it's just for one system locally, i'm afraid you're going to have to script something yourself
[17:08] <msk> Hello?
[17:08] <msk> Hello.
[17:08] <msk> World.
[17:08] <msk> I'm alive.
[17:11] <flocculant> msk: good - so am I
[17:11] <bluesabre> What a relief.
[17:12] <msk> So es everyone, I suppose.
[17:12] <msk> is*
[17:13] <msk> Been a long time (3 years) user of Xubuntu, I thank you everyone for your hard work.
[17:13] <flocculant> msk: thanks :)
[17:13] <flocculant> if you want to chat - #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:14] <msk> It just works :) minimal issues so far.
[17:14] <flocculant> :)
[17:14] <msk> Oh ok, thanks ;)


[13:18] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[15:10] <highvoltage> good mornign
[15:10]  * highvoltage seriously needs to put in some edubuntu time
[18:40] <vmlintu> good evening
[18:43] <highvoltage> good evening vmlintu
[18:43] <vmlintu> the weather has been too nice lately to stay indoors..
[18:45] <highvoltage> I don't really have that problem. We went from way too cold to hot and humid very fast. so indoors is still nice :)
[18:49] <vmlintu> heh.. never good.. ;)
[18:49] <vmlintu> you mentioned that you had heard/seen someone syncing the ltsp nbd image to local media.. do you remember anything else about it?
[18:55] <highvoltage> nope. but now that you mention it, it would be kind of nice to have a tool like usb-creator-gtk that could write a thin client image to usb
[18:56] <highvoltage> (if someone wanted to boot from local media instead)
[18:56] <vmlintu> doing that shouldn't be too hard actually, now that I think of it
[18:57] <vmlintu> automatic updating of it sounds a bit trickier, though..
[19:00] <highvoltage> yeah. I guess you could have a public key on the usb disks and then you could rsync that from a server somewhere based on an identifyer on the disk
[19:00] <highvoltage> that way you don't risk accidentally trashing a filesystem and you have something that can't be as easily abused
[19:03] <vmlintu> what the public key would be used for?
[19:07] <vmlintu> One would need to make sure also that the usb media is not mounted to the server after user logs in
[19:21] <highvoltage> so that some sync server could rsync to the disks but no one else
[19:21] <highvoltage> (well at least not remotely)


[03:49] !lilo:*! Well, it's been quite a weekend.  Finally getting nearly finished with various modifications to services to allow a relatively easy cleanup of nicknames and channels.
[11:02] !lilo:*! Okay, I think we're finally there.  Since there are 5,500 affected channels, it looks like a bit too time-intensive to go through all of them.  If your channel gets expired out, we'll be happy to restore it, though you may need to file a group contact form.
[11:02] !lilo:*! If you've already filed a group contact form and it's in our backlog, we'll just make a special effort to activate it quickly.
[11:03] !lilo:*! In just a couple of minutes, I'll shut down services and perform the cleanup.  It should take 15 minutes at most.  Let us know if you have any problems.  Thanks!
[11:16] !lilo:*! Whoops, still checking, looks as if we're not quite through.
[11:17] !lilo:*! Quick rerun in process.
[11:47] !lilo:*! One more shot, this should do it 8)
[05:39] <daf> carlos: hola
[06:22] <carlos> daf: hey
[06:33] <daf> how are the status pages? :)
[06:37] <carlos> daf: yesterday I did a full update and it did not broke anything :-P
[06:37] <carlos> all modules where downloaded, updated and imported into the database
[06:39] <daf> sounds good!
[06:41] <daf> does this mean it's ready?
[06:42] <carlos> no, it only means that it's more close to be ready
[06:42] <carlos> I'm working now on launchpad and tonight I will retake it
[06:43] <daf> cool
[06:43] <daf> what Launchpad stuff are you working on?
[06:45] <carlos> the password bug
[06:45] <carlos> I mean, the password task
[06:54] <carlos> daf: well, I forgot that also, yesterday I "fixed" the status pages getting 20 new strings to translate...
[06:57] <daf> oops
[06:58] <carlos> seems like old intltool didn't saw them and I installed latest release that fixes them
[07:01] <daf> oh, and now gnome-i18n is discussing whether to include them or not
[07:02] <carlos> right
[07:02] <carlos> but I suppose they will be there, tomorrow is the final release and I don't think 20 strings will be a problem for anyone
[07:03] <daf> I thought Wednesday was the final release?
[07:04] <carlos> daf: I think tomorrow is last day to release packages
[07:05] <carlos> and the final announcement will be on wednesday
[07:05] <carlos> when all mirrors are updated and all things are in place
[07:07] <carlos> daf: from: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.7/
[07:07] <carlos> 24  	September 13th  	2.8.0 tarballs due
[07:07] <carlos> September 15th 	September 15th: 2.8.0 release! 	Hard Code Freeze ends, but other freezes remain in effect for the stable branch.
[08:39] <carlos> I cannot understand my brain. I know that in english 'it' is not for persons but I alwasy wrote it in my mails or IRC when talking about someone
[08:39] <carlos> grrrr
[08:46] <daf> :(
[08:51] <daf> hmm, seems I've dragged Welsh back up to supported status
[08:51] <carlos> daf: cool :-P