[15:58] <juliank> o/
[15:58] <ginggs> o/
[15:59] <sil2100> o/
[15:59] <juliank> US is out today, does anyone want to run the meeting or shall I go ahead?
[16:00] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:00:11 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:00] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:00] <juliank> $ echo $(shuf -e sil2100 schopin doko ginggs waveform slyon xypron juliank)
[16:00] <juliank> waveform sil2100 schopin xypron juliank slyon doko ginggs
[16:00] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:00] <juliank> waveform sil2100 schopin xypron juliank slyon doko ginggs
[16:00] <juliank> waveform:
[16:00] <waveform> * Worked on pi-bluetooth for core18 (LP: #1949869)
[16:00] <waveform> * ... and that's about it
[16:00] <waveform> * ... no, really
[16:00] <waveform> * Interview / take-home-tests
[16:00] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[16:00] <waveform> (done)
[16:01] <sil2100> * SRU reviews and releases
[16:01] <sil2100> * ubuntu-image:
[16:01] <sil2100>   - Prepared test package for the HWE team for testing the --sector-size flag
[16:01] <sil2100>   - Merged PR for classic extra-snap from William
[16:01] <sil2100>   - Meeting up with CPC team to discuss classic image build future
[16:01] <sil2100> * Take-home test grading
[16:01] <sil2100> * Meetings about future projects
[16:01] <sil2100> * Help with Xilinx:
[16:01] <sil2100>   - Review of some work documents
[16:01] <sil2100>   - Publishing new images to the release directory on lillypilly
[16:01] <sil2100> * Prepared code for switching coreXX snap auto-promotion code to use the new jira board (instead of trello)
[16:01] <sil2100> * Worked with Phil from the CPC team to get credentials updated to get the new functionality working
[16:01] <sil2100> * Ubuntu Core meeting to discuss some future developments
[16:01] <sil2100> * TB meeting, discussing some extra repository concepts
[16:01] <sil2100> * Worked on Jira to try some Release Team coodination project management
[16:01] <sil2100>   - Might need to ask for more permissions for Jira for that
[16:01] <sil2100>   - But started drafting an idea document
[16:01] <sil2100> (done)
[16:01] <sil2100> Oh, and interview!
[16:01] <sil2100> Did one
[16:01] <sil2100> ...and other stuff
[16:02] <schopin> * Worked on the OpenSSL transition the whole week
[16:02] <schopin> * ... except a few hours of work on NetPlan to get my last huge PR closer to
[16:02] <schopin>   production state.
[16:02] <schopin> ✓ done
[16:02] <xypron> I am working on the Nezha kernel
[16:02] <xypron> Moving the config to be compatible to the Ubuntu standard
[16:03] <xypron> Detected by Nezha U-Boot was not compatible with OpenSBI.

[16:03] <juliank> * sponsored grub2 for mfo (LP: #1840560)
[16:03] <juliank> * survey
[16:03] <juliank> * training
[16:03] <juliank> * shim-review ACK lernstick (https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/196)
[16:03] <juliank> * shim-review NAK miracle linux (https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/189)
[16:03] <juliank> * sponsoring triage:
[16:03] <juliank>   - unsubscribed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1876620
[16:03] <juliank>   - unsubscribed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopkgtest/+bug/1947810 - asked to forward
[16:03] <juliank> * sponsored openssl 3.0.0
[16:03] <juliank> * uploaded openssl SRUs for double engine loading (LP: #1951943)
[16:03] <juliank> * released apt 2.3.13
[16:03] <juliank> * python-defer: fix for python3.10:
[16:03] <juliank>   - use Callable in collections.abc instead of collections (LP: #1951993)
[16:03] <juliank> * synced mercurial 6.0 from experimental to fix autopkgtests broken by git (debian bug 998706)
[16:03] <juliank> * retried various licensecheck adjacent tests with all-proposed=1, they all seem to need each other and I did not build a list
[16:03] <juliank> * sponsored libnet-ssleay-perl  (LP: #1945811)
[16:03] <juliank> (done)
[16:03] <juliank> slyon:
[16:03] <slyon> - discussions around wireguard MIR, LP: #1950317
[16:03] <slyon> - dbus-python (or rather pyqt5) proposed-migration, incl. pyfai FTBFS fix
[16:03] <slyon> - adopt open-iscsi to systemd v249 (systemd-resolve is now resolvectl)
[16:03] <slyon> - interview & take-home test
[16:03] <slyon> [16:03] <slyon> - triaging & resolving bugs reported by snapd:
[16:03] <slyon>   + bugs #1946957, #1949884, #1949893, #1943023, #1949895
[16:04] <slyon>   + leading to some new PRs:
[16:04] <slyon>     https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/245
[16:04] <slyon>     https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/246
[16:04] <slyon> - tested & merged https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/233
[16:04] <slyon> - some smaller netplan fixes
[16:04] <slyon> ✓ done
[16:04] <doko> - only two day week for me
[16:04] <doko> - gcc-12 update, starting with gcc-12 cross packages
[16:04] <doko> - company tutorials
[16:04] <doko> - preparing GCC packages for POWER9
[16:04] <doko> (done)
[16:04] <juliank> ginggs:
[16:04] <ginggs> * +1 week, trying hard to avoid python packages
[16:04] <ginggs> * sponsoring schopin's uploads for openssl3 transition
[16:04] <ginggs> * retrying autopkgtests triggered by libgetopt-long-descriptive-perl for xypron
[16:04] <ginggs> done
[16:05] <sil2100> William also sent his via e-mail:
[16:05] <sil2100> * ubuntu-image
[16:05] <sil2100>     * Investigated LP: #1951576 but so far unable to recreate
[16:05] <sil2100>     * Merged --sector-size PR by sil2100
[16:05] <sil2100> * sponsoring queue cleanup: helped reduce sponsoring queue size from 62 to 36
[16:05] <sil2100> * LP: #1951988 have dpkg check for @canonical.com addresses when checking for update-maintainer
[16:05] <sil2100> * LP: #1913656 SRU verification
[16:05] <sil2100> * LP: #1890013 create patch and SRU to focal
[16:05] <sil2100> * Touching up core dev application
[16:05] <sil2100> * Proposed migration: lava vs psycopg2
[16:05] <sil2100> * Candidate interview
[16:05] <sil2100> * LP: #1952144 help openssl v3 transition by fixing golang-github-mendersoftware-openssl (needs more work)(done)
[16:05] <sil2100> (done)
[16:05] <juliank> And I think that's it, the rest is out
[16:05] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:05] <juliank> Just giving this a quick look given that biran is not here
[16:05] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:06] <juliank> bug 1951214
[16:06] <juliank> there's a patch
[16:08] <juliank> I'd say let's card this one
[16:08] <slyon> done
[16:08] <juliank> bug 1650688
[16:08] <slyon> there are patches around for this one, too. So I'd say let's card it
[16:08] <juliank> that's in systemd on our side, to clarify
[16:09] <juliank> +1 on carding, seems important
[16:09] <slyon> ✓
[16:09] <juliank> bug 1943530
[16:10] <juliank> probably don't want to do this now during the transition
[16:10] <juliank> let's get back it this next week
[16:10] <juliank> bug 1951399
[16:10] <sil2100> huh
[16:10] <sil2100> Ah, tempfile related
[16:10] <juliank> there is an ubuntu-devel thread about the debianutils change which broke this
[16:11] <sil2100> This is discussed on the ML, yeah
[16:11] <juliank> so this is in progress already and should be fixed soon
[16:11] <juliank> I guess we can just untag it
[16:11] <sil2100> Should we still card it in that case for tracking on Jira?
[16:11] <sil2100> Or that
[16:11] <juliank> What do you think?
[16:13] <sil2100> Ok, let's untag it but get in touch with Robie next week
[16:13] <doko> rbasak, did you already start on that? delaying for next week
[16:13] <schopin> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-November/041691.html for reference
[16:14] <juliank> ok untagged and linked to mail and merge
[16:14] <juliank> last bug is bug 1951993
[16:15] <schopin> can be untagged, I guess?
[16:15] <juliank> which we already dealt with otherwise
[16:15] <slyon> it seems to be resolved as of 5h ago
[16:15] <juliank> yeah, I untagged it now
[16:15] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <juliank> it's empty!
[16:16] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <juliank> bug 1948884
[16:17] <juliank> I don't know enough casper to judge what the impact is
[16:17] <sil2100> Still didn't have time
[16:17] <juliank> brian marked it low
[16:17] <sil2100> Let's leave it for next meeting!
[16:17] <juliank> ok
[16:17] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:17] <juliank> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:18] <juliank> I don't think it makes sense assigning stuff today
[16:18] <doko> +1
[16:18] <juliank> is there anything needing urgent attention though?
[16:19] <juliank> I don't see anything particularly awful, so let's move on
[16:19] <juliank> #topic AOB
[16:19] <sil2100> All good!
[16:19] <schopin> regarding excuses, pam has been stuck for a while and I can't figure it out :/
[16:19] <juliank> Oh I'm out tomorrow
[16:21] <juliank> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:21:28 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-11-25-16.00.moin.txt


[12:51] <Markus_> Hi There.. Can somebody help my? Why isnt my serial mouse not recognized? Where can I change it?
[12:52] <chrisa> Try #ubuntu
[12:55] <randomnick> hi...
[01:08] <Mithrandir> mdz: any idea what to do about 1872?
[01:28] <seb128> jdub: here ?
[01:30] <jdub> yeah
[01:30] <seb128> python-gtk2-docs
[01:30] <seb128> python-gtk2-tutorial
[01:30] <seb128> these are documentation
[01:30] <seb128> and not in ubuntu (uploaded in deb after the warty freeze)
[01:31] <seb128> perhaps we want to include them somewhere ?
[01:32] <sivang> just removed lp and parport from system, still now sound device. this is after a fresh install on inspiron 8200
[01:42] <seb128> ok, time to sleep
[01:46] <sivang> night seb128
[02:40] <mdz> Mithrandir: I wanted to ask you the same :-)
[02:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: I think the bug is probably fixed; he needs to re-test
[04:11] <npmccallum> anyone having problems with madwifi in the latest kernel release?
[04:18] <mdz> haven't tried it
[04:18] <mdz> I will now
[04:20] <npmccallum> my madwifi card can't get a dhcp since I upgraded the kernel
[04:20] <npmccallum> it worked fine in previous kernels
[05:12] <mdz> doesn't seem to want to associate
[05:13] <mdz> I've never tested it with WEP before, though
[06:15] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:26] <daniels> hm
[06:26] <daniels> fabbione: could you please review the g-v-m change on http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/gnome-volume-manager ?
[06:27] <daniels> fabbione: basically, with ubuntu2, if you run /etc/init.d/dbus-1 stop, then g-v-m dies
[06:27] <daniels> with ubuntu3, it should work just fine if you restart dbus
[06:28] <fabbione> daniels: gimme a few
[06:29] <fabbione> daniels: i don't know much about g-v-m. did you write all that patch yourself?
[06:30] <daniels> fabbione: based on Kinnison's patch
[06:32] <fabbione> i don't know enough about g-v-m, but it seems ok
[06:32] <fabbione> daniels: did you tested it?
[06:33] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, it works fine here
[06:33] <daniels> hotplug smartcard reader, nautilus window pops up
[06:33] <daniels> restart dbus with sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[06:34] <fabbione> does that means is going to break *? ;)
[06:34] <daniels> with ubuntu3, it should work just fine if you restart dbus
[06:34] <daniels> er
[06:34] <daniels> then after that, hotplug smartcard reader, nautilus window pops up
[06:34] <fabbione> it should or it does?
[06:36] <daniels> should, and does :)
[06:36] <fabbione> ok
[06:36] <fabbione> go ahead
[06:36] <daniels> thanks
[07:59] <doko> how were all the newly imported "file conflicts" reports handled for warty?
[08:29] <fabbione> doko: argh
[08:29] <fabbione> you were slightly faster than me
[08:29] <fabbione> for tetex-base
[08:38] <pitti> Morning everybody!
[08:41] <SuperLag> any of you guys have Mono installed on your Ubuntu boxen?
[08:41] <pitti> SuperLag: I had it installed on Sid, for my diploma
[08:41] <pitti> SuperLag: should not make much of a difference on Ubuntu
[08:41] <SuperLag> I've added the lines to the repositories, according to the wiki page... but no workey.
[08:42] <SuperLag> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed.
[08:52] <doko> fabbione: just wanted to remove the file from the binary
[08:54] <fabbione> doko: yes.. you need to fry it from the orig.tar.gz too afaik
[08:54] <doko> uggh, new source upload?
[08:56] <fabbione> doko: yes
[08:56] <fabbione> it's not in the diff.gz
[08:56] <fabbione> if the file is not free you need to remove it from the orig.tar.gz too
[08:57] <pitti> SuperLag: sudo apt-get install -s mono works for me, all dependencies seem to be in place
[08:57] <pitti> SuperLag: I did not actually install the packages, though, but dependencies are checked in the simulation
[09:01] <fabbione> is 2022 really RC?
[09:55] <fabbione> hey mdz
[09:55] <mdz> morning
[09:55] <fabbione> 4.13 ??
[09:55] <fabbione> where are you hooked up?
[09:55] <mdz> verizon
[09:55] <fabbione> whois <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:55] <fabbione> OrgName:    Level 3 Communications, Inc.
[09:55] <fabbione> not bad :-)
[09:56] <mdz> my home away from home
[09:56] <fabbione> mdz: is 2022 really RC?
[09:56] <mdz> while my house is fumigated
[09:56] <fabbione> yeah i read that ;)
[09:56] <mdz> fabbione: well, the last name implies that it is :-)
[09:57] <fabbione> mdz: well reading the bug i get a completely different idea
[09:57] <fabbione> otherwise i wouldn't ask ;)
[09:57] <mdz> it doesn't seem RC for Warty
[09:58] <fabbione> exactly
[10:07] <elmo_> Mithrandir: ?
[10:07] <Mithrandir> yes?
[10:08] <Mithrandir> elmo_: pong
[10:08] <elmo_> Mithrandir: do you know about epiphany-extensions on amd64?
[10:08] <Mithrandir> what about them?
[10:08] <elmo_> ftbfs
[10:08] <Mithrandir> I've never heard of them before. :)
[10:08] <Mithrandir> ugh :/
[10:09] <elmo_> sgml-validator.c: In function `convert_to_utf8':
[10:09] <elmo_> sgml-validator.c:309: warning: passing arg 4 of `g_io_channel_read_chars' from incompatible pointer type
[10:09] <elmo_> could you have a look at some stage and/or should I file a bug?
[10:09] <Mithrandir> I'll look at it, but please file a bug
[10:12] <doko> mdz, Mithrandir: what is the decision on #1996?
[10:15] <Mithrandir> I asked you to ask mdz
[10:16] <Mithrandir> trivial fix, it seems
[10:17] <sabdfl> anybody else having trouble with firefox stability?
[10:17] <pitti> sabdfl: me
[10:18] <pitti> sabdfl: It just crashes on some websites
[10:18] <sabdfl> hangs and won't respond?
[10:18] <pitti> sabdfl: but I could not reproduce this reliably
[10:18] <pitti> sabdfl: no, no hangings so far
[10:19] <pitti> sabdfl: It's a pity, mozilla has been rock solid for a long time now; sad to see such regressions
[10:20] <azeem> it's the wrath-of-epiphany
[10:21] <sabdfl> perhaps they are suffering from "i want my favourite patch in 1.0" syndrome
[10:22] <hazmat> i can confirm having firefox stability issues, it randomly crashes for me as well
[10:22] <sabdfl> or perhaps it's a packaging problem. thom?
[10:24] <pitti> sabdfl, thom: https://financepilot-banking.mlp.de always crashes at my box the first or second time
[10:24] <pitti> sabdfl, thom: this is the site I could reproduce it most reliably
[10:25] <doko> and it's a memory hog, currently at 580M on my machine. you have to restart it every day (if it doesn't crash ;)
[10:34] <sabdfl> is gnome-nettool generally useful? should we be shipping it?
[10:36] <seb128> morning
[10:37] <pitti> Hi seb128!
[10:37] <seb128> hello pitti
[10:45] <hazmat> any consideration of replacing totem/gstreamer with something that works?
[10:45] <hazmat> like xine/gxine
[10:45] <pitti> hazmaz: apt-get install totem-xine (or xine-ui)
[10:46] <pitti> hazmaz: we cannot do that by default because of patent restrictions
[10:46] <pitti> hazmaz: BTW, personally I still prefer mplayer; this rocks
[10:47] <hazmat> ic.. thanks for the clarification
[10:47] <hazmat> perhaps an item for the faq
[10:48] <plovs_work> sabdfl, as an admin, i personally don't use it, all these tools exist on cli. But for regular users who want something a little more powerfull, i think many would appreciate it. It is on the gnome-website so people miss it when it is not there.
[10:55] <sabdfl> plovs_work: i guess it is in main for those who want it. but i think it would go well in Applications->System Tools
[10:59] <plovs_work> sabdfl, it *is* part of gnome 2.8, people on irc ask why it is not in the bas-install, they have a point, i would vote for putting it in
[10:59] <doko> do we a policy how to create a new version, when a new upload of the source is needed? tetex-base-2.0.2b -> tetex-base-2.0.2b-1 ?
[11:00] <fabbione> doko: why not using the same approach as debian?
[11:00] <fabbione> dolo: tetex-base-2.0.2b.dfsg.1
[11:00] <fabbione> or something
[11:01] <doko> well, it's not permanent, the Debian maintainer and upstream agree on the removal, so it's a temporary version.
[11:02] <fabbione> doko: a new upstream release means 2.0.2c
[11:02] <fabbione> or similar
[11:02] <fabbione> so a b.whatever is fine
[11:03] <doko> ok, I'd like the version as short as possible.
[11:04] <azeem> isn't glibc using 'ds'? Like 2.3.2.ds.1? How about that?
[11:04] <azeem> oh, and what does ds stand for, btw? :)
[11:04] <azeem> development snapshot?
[11:05] <fabbione> deliberate suicide
[11:05] <doko> hey, glibc stole that one from gcc ;) "debian source"
[11:05] <azeem> so make it 'us' ;)
[11:06] <fabbione> i can't wait to see the first USA
[11:06] <fabbione> Ubuntu Security Announcement
[11:06] <doko> ok, that would become 2.0.2bus :)
[11:06] <fabbione> yeah and next one is 2.0.2taxi
[11:06] <fabbione> 2.0.2tram
[11:07] <doko> we run out after underground
[11:07] <azeem> the term 'ds' is probably older than daniels
[11:07] <lypanov> doko: shuttle?
[11:07] <pitti> sabdfl: yesterday I installed Warty from scratch and now I can indeed not import mp3 files in Rhythmbox any more
[11:07] <pitti> sabdfl: odd, this worked fine before
[11:09] <pitti> seb128: do you know why rhythmbox cannot import mp3 files any more? This worked fine some time ago
[11:10] <seb128> pitti: gstreamer0.8-mad is installed ?
[11:10] <pitti> seb128: no
[11:10] <pitti> seb128: I did not install this manually on my previous install, though
[11:10] <seb128> ok, that's it probably
[11:10] <seb128>  rhythmbox (0.8.5-1ubuntu2) warty; urgency=low
[11:10] <seb128>  .
[11:10] <seb128>    * debian/control.in:
[11:10] <seb128>      - Remove binary dependency on gstreamer0.8-mad.
[11:10] <pitti> seb128: we should probably install it by default
[11:10] <seb128> Jeff did that saturday
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: do you know whether germinate handles Recommends:?
[11:11] <seb128> pitti: if Jeff did that, there is probably a reason
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: okay, I will ask him. ThanksQ
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: s/Q/!/
[11:11] <seb128> pitti: no idea sorry, but -mad is probrably problematic for patents issues
[11:12] <pitti> seb128: What a pity. Playing mp3 files is not patent protected, just creating them
[11:12] <seb128> are you sure ?
[11:12] <pitti> seb128: -mad is even in universe now :-(
[11:12] <pitti> seb128: pretty sure, yes.
[11:12] <pitti> seb128: but maybe the -mad library also includes the encoder?
[11:13] <azeem> RedHat also dropped mp3 playback some time ago
[11:13] <seb128> pitti: no
[11:13] <azeem> dunno if they put it back in
[11:14] <pitti> seb128: I will look for the mp3 licensing issue
[11:15] <seb128> pitti: better to just ask to Jeff, he knows the details
[11:22] <seb128> pitti: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html
[11:22] <pitti> seb128: I'm just reading it
[11:22] <seb128> ok
[11:22] <pitti> seb128: seems like my memory did not served me so well: it is free (beer) for private use only
[11:22] <pitti> seb128: that's why I did not convert my collection completely to ogg
[11:23] <seb128> ok
[11:23] <pitti> seb128: but it does not meet the DFSG since you must pay for commercial applications
[11:23] <azeem> are you talking about the algorithm/spec, or about Fraunhofer's implementation?
[11:23] <pitti> azeem: the licensing page talks about "technology", not "software"
[11:24] <pitti> azeem: so I suppose it's the algorithm they patented (which would make sense in their POV)
[11:26] <pitti> azeem: from the website: "I have my own/third party mp3 software. Do I need a license?
[11:26] <pitti> Yes. Use of our patents is not related to a specific implementation of encoders and decoders, which means that a license under our patents is needed. "
[11:26] <azeem> "How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on
[11:26] <azeem> the source; if the number is greater than 1000, it probably does."
[11:26] <azeem>                 -- Nat Friedman
[11:28] <lypanov> hehe
[11:44] <fabbione> what is the command in vim to go "vertical" visual?
[11:44] <lypanov> ctrl-v
[11:44] <doko> mdz, jdub: ok to upload tetex-base without the file with the non-free license? #2066
[11:44] <lypanov> you mean so you can cut a block?
[11:44] <fabbione> lypanov: yes, but a vertical block
[11:45] <lypanov> ctrl-v will do that
[11:45] <fabbione> doko: read the last mail from Matt about uploads and peer-review
[11:45] <fabbione> lypanov: thanks
[11:45] <lypanov> np
[11:48] <doko> fabbione: which list/date?
[11:49] <doko> fabbione: ok, could you do the review?
[11:49] <sivang> morning fabbione
[12:00] <fabbione> doko: sure
[12:00] <fabbione> hi sivang
[12:01] <doko> chinstrap:~doko/tetex/
[12:02] <sivang> hey fabbione, we need to find someway to make nv/nvidia use 100Hz on the flatrons, as it _is_ supported ;)
[12:02] <fabbione> sivang: it requires a specific mode-line
[12:02] <fabbione> i saw a message floating around
[12:02] <sivang> fabbione : I have tested a bit with knoppix, and see it detects the 100Hz capability, although have been unable to make it work on knoppix ;)
[12:03] <sivang> fabbione : could you point me to the message or else?
[12:03] <fabbione> doko: basically you purged the file from the .orig and that's it?
[12:03] <fabbione> sivang: i saw it on #ubuntu
[12:03] <doko> yes, the .tex and the documentation file.
[12:03] <sivang> ok, i'll ask see if someone knows about it
[12:03] <fabbione> doko: ok that's the same i would have done..
[12:04] <fabbione> doko: do we know if something actually uses that file?
[12:04] <lypanov> that reminds me
[12:05] <lypanov> any chance that ubuntu will do modelines and stuff?
[12:05] <lypanov> as X -configure don't like my dell :)
[12:07] <doko> well, looking at the package itself, nothing. but it gets recommended in the LaTeX companion :( Then it should be added to tetex-nonfree ...
[12:23] <fabbione> doko: hmmmmm
[12:27] <fabbione> tetex-extra is still in main
[12:27] <fabbione> there is no tetex-nonfree
[12:27] <fabbione> apt-cache search tetex-nonfree
[12:27] <fabbione> tetex-extra - Additional library files of teTeX
[12:31] <doko> hmm, what to do? if some package build depends on the removed file ...
[12:32] <fabbione> doko: should we give a fast look to rdepends and run a check rebuild of the packages?
[12:34] <thom> pitti: i hate asking, but if you move your .mozilla out the way and restart firefox, does it still crash?
[12:34] <pitti> thom: lemme try
[12:34] <pitti> thom: although I already tried this several times...
[12:34] <fabbione> thom: it doesn't look like you hate asking me to hug you :P
[12:35] <pitti> thom: yes, it still crashes
[12:35] <thom> pitti: gar. i can't reproduce this at all
[12:35] <pitti> thom: does it work for you? You might have to try this two or three times
[12:35] <pitti> thom: okay, I will try to get a backtrace.
[12:37] <doko> fabbione: these are 55 packages. could these be built in test-only mode? lamont?
[12:37] <pitti> thom: hmm, I got a backtrace, but it does not say much. I guess I have to build a debugging version
[12:38] <pitti> thom: but it's not that critical, most websites work okay
[12:40] <fabbione> doko: we can build 55 packages by hand...
[12:40] <fabbione> doko: it doesn't take too long
[12:40] <pitti> thom: strace says "SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0)" -> NULL pointer access
[12:40] <fabbione> doko: but the problem is if we need that file
[12:40] <fabbione> doko: that means creating or importing that tetex-nonfree thingy, move the packages to restricted and change build-dep
[12:41] <thom> pitti: eh!?
[12:41] <fabbione> doko: i don't think that's even possible at 8 days from release
[12:41] <thom> pitti: hrm, i just created a totally clean user, had no problems at all
[12:41] <pitti> thom: maybe it does not occurr on amd64?
[12:41] <pitti> thom: I build a debug version and extract a bt again
[12:42] <pitti> thom: I can do that in the background
[12:42] <thom> yeah, i'm gonna install an x86 warty on here in a sec and try that
[12:46] <pitti> thom: ugh, 40 MB compressed source? This will take a while to compile on my Duron 1.3...
[12:47] <thom> yeah, it's no fun
[12:52] <doko> fabbione: we don't need to build them, grepping for the removed file would be enough.
[12:54] <fabbione> doko: as well...
[12:54] <fabbione> doko: but it depends how the package is done... a dbs/cdbs or similar will require unpacking first
[12:57] <sivang> any need for a fast compilatio machine?
[12:57] <doko> ohh yes, let's see how the upstream author of the file will react, if he changes the license. I'll start on the packages tomorrow.
[12:57] <sivang> (pentium IV 2.6HT )
[12:57] <sivang> sitting and wasting it's cycles..:-)
[12:58] <thom> sivang: that's considerably slower than our buildds :-)
[12:59] <sivang> thom : they are IA machines?
[12:59] <thom> sivang: dual 3.3 Xeons
[12:59] <sivang> thom : oooo. I see
[12:59] <sivang> thom : I just was pitti was referring to his "slow" 1.3 duron ;)
[12:59] <sivang> pitti : what to you need to compile?
[12:59] <fabbione> sivang: thanks but we need to test a package that is not in the archive yet.
[01:00] <fabbione> sivang: and check 55 packages depending on it
[01:00] <pitti> sivang: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt debuild -us -uc -b     for mozilla-firefox
[01:00] <sivang> fabbione :  it has a source package right?
[01:00] <pitti> sivang: I'm already at it, but this will probably last over an hour
[01:00] <fabbione> doko: ok. fine for me. let me know if you need help
[01:00] <fabbione> sivang: not in the archive
[01:00] <sivang> pitti : oh, new upstream source?
[01:01] <pitti> sivang: no, I just need a debugging-enabled version
[01:01] <pitti> sivang: to find a segfault
[01:01] <sivang> pitti : i see.
[01:01] <sivang> instead of blabbering, i
[01:01] <sivang> 'd better ask for the bug#
[01:01] <sivang> ?
[01:02] <thom> pitti: ooi, does this happen for you on ppc, too?
[01:02] <pitti> sivang: BTW, can you try whether https://financepilot-banking.mlp.de (and then clicking on the continuation link) crashes for you?
[01:02] <pitti> thom: : I can try
[01:02] <thom> please
[01:03] <pitti> thom: booting...
[01:03] <sivang> thom : I've been to some computer junk yard, they'd sell me an AlphaAXP monster for about 500$
[01:03] <sivang> thom : :-) does this qualify as a buildd?
[01:04] <sivang> pitti : it won't even start.
[01:04] <pitti> sivang: you mean firefox does not even start on your box?
[01:04] <sivang> pitti : mozilla won't start now, let's kill x and relogin
[01:04] <fabbione> sivang: 2066. the problem is a bit more complicate than it looks like
[01:04] <pitti> sivang: not mozilla, firefox please
[01:04] <fabbione> sivang: removing that file is (at this point in time) the solution for the bug, but there are 55 packages depending on that package.
[01:04] <sivang> pitti : , sorry that _was_ firefix
[01:05] <fabbione> sivang: that needs to be checked if they make any use of the file that needs to be removed
[01:05] <sivang> fabbione : ok
[01:05] <sivang> brb
[01:05] <fabbione> sivang: so it's a bit complex. On the otherside there is the option that the author of that file will relicence it and nothing needs to be done
[01:06] <sivang> hmmm
[01:06] <sivang> strange,
[01:06] <sivang> I just upgraded.
[01:06] <sivang> dpkg segfaulted
[01:06] <sivang> when I tried to install linux-image-686-smp
[01:06] <sivang> that didn't happen before..
[01:08] <pitti> thom: firefox on ubuntu crashes as well
[01:08] <pitti> thom: s/ubuntu/ppc/
[01:08] <thom> bah
[01:08] <thom> ok
[01:08] <thom> just about to reboot and install
[01:09] <pitti> thom: my locale is de_DE.UTF-8 (but firefox runs as en_EN)
[01:11] <pitti> sivang: dpkg segfaults? Don't you know that dpkg does not segfault 8 days before release candidate release? :-P
[01:12] <sivang> hmmm
[01:12] <sivang> i think I have a dead warty here :(
[01:12] <sivang> I am now on sid
[01:12] <sivang> i cannot boot warty no more.
[01:12] <sivang> "ld has spawned too fast"
[01:12] <sivang> remember pitti when we thought this was because I extracted my old home dir?
[01:13] <sivang> well, guess what? ;-)
[01:13] <sivang> I think it has something to do with dpkg
[01:13] <sivang> I will have to go out in a sec (getting a new Ultrawide SCSI Server) I will come back to investigate.
[01:16] <sivang> i will also try to fetch a log if I can from the warty
[01:23] <pitti> thom: argh, I just see that the firefox package does not respect DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[01:23] <pitti> thom: any easy method to enable debugging?
[01:24] <fabbione> guys is that true that RHAS or ES requires a yearly licence otherwise "It stops working"???
[01:24] <fabbione> someone is asking me via sms and i have no clue
[01:24] <fabbione> last time i checked RH was 7.1 or lower
[01:27] <pitti> thom: don't bother, I fixed debian/rules
[01:31] <|trey|> fabbione: no its not true
[01:31] <|trey|> fabbione: not even microsoft does that.
[01:31] <|trey|> fabbione: of course, updates via rhn stop
[01:32] <|trey|> Its in their best interest for you not to become interested in other products though...
[01:32] <fabbione> |trey|: ok.. i expected so
[01:33] <tuo2> like ubuntu... ;)
[01:34] <fabbione> |trey|: i still remember that night i had to install RH.. brrrr i am still shaking
[01:35] <|trey|> fabbione: enless you want a flame in a devel channel, I suggest that be the end of that discussion  ;)
[01:35] <fabbione> |trey|: eehhe
[01:37] <thom> pitti: please send a patch :-)
[01:38] <pitti> thom: by now I just hardcoded the change, but a patch is easy
[01:38] <pitti> thom: I will send it to you
[01:38] <thom> thanks :-)
[01:39] <thom> ok, i get crashes on x86
[01:40] <thom> ROCK and ROLL
[01:42] <pitti> thom: maybe your 64 bit are enough to make it work :-)
[01:42] <pitti> thom: as soon as the build finished, I can debug this, if you want
[01:44] <thom> well, it's litterally the biggest bug i have left, so i might as well
[01:44] <thom> i have a faster machine too, so it's much less painful for me :-)
[01:44] <pitti> thom: okay
[01:44] <pitti> thom: how do you build debugging versions, BTW? If not with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS?
[01:46] <thom> i'd not had need to before now, guess i'm just lucky :-)
[01:47] <pitti> thom: odd, doesn't an -O2 built firefox work on so many arches?
[01:48] <thom> pitti: apparently not, that's very much legacy but the debian maintainer has been specifically turning them off
[01:49] <pitti> thom: I have a patch for debian/rules, where shall I send it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:49] <thom> yes please
[02:14] <thom> ccache should be in build-essential *g*
[02:16] <lypanov> thom: build-essential should include a virtual cluster :P
[02:16] <thom> that'd be nice too
[02:17] <thom> but possibly a little impractical
[02:23] <thom> pitti: on your ibook, can you ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/arch/powerpc/kernel/cpu/cpufreq ?
[02:23] <thom> or tell me what cpufreq module you need to load?
[02:23] <pitti> thom: I have to boto it again
[02:23] <thom> oh
[02:23] <pitti> thom:
[02:23] <thom> not urgent
[02:24] <thom> just trying to get the powernowd modules loading stuff right
[02:24] <pitti> thom: oh, it works well out of the box on my iBook
[02:25] <thom> really? cool
[02:25] <pitti> thom: in fact, the latest isos set up almost everything right out of the box
[02:26] <pitti> thom: the only outstanding issue is the swapped Alt/Apple on the consoles
[02:26] <pitti> thom: I have the following modules: cpufreq_{userspace,powersave}
[02:26] <pitti> thom: they are not hw-specific, I think
[02:27] <pitti> also, apm_emu
[02:28] <sjoerd> your kernel probably has CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_PMAC=y
[02:28] <thom> you should have a cpufreq-something or a powernow-something module
[02:28] <thom> ah, or it gets built in. which would be odd
[02:29] <pitti> thom: above two are the only ones
[02:29] <sjoerd> thom: for ppc there is just one type of cpu freq switching thingie
[02:29] <pitti> thom: I can look up specific things in the kernel config, if you want
[02:29] <sjoerd> afaik
[02:30] <thom> pitti: grep for the option that sjoerd just quoted, please :-)
[02:30] <thom> sjoerd: there's only one on amd64, but that's modular. it would just seem a little inconsistent :-)
[02:30] <pitti> thom: its compiled in
[02:31] <pitti> thom: CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_PMAC and CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE are both 'y'
[02:31] <thom> answers that one then
[02:31] <thom> cool, makes my life easier
[02:31] <sjoerd> thom: looks like i can't turn it into a module here
[02:31] <pitti> thom: btw, any luck with firefox?
[02:38] <thom> pitti: building
[02:38] <thom> ah, just finished
[02:38] <thom> only a glorious 25minutes
[02:39] <pitti> thom: on a powerful amd64 machine?
[02:39] <pitti> thom: then I suppose it would have lasted 1.5 hours on mine :-)
[02:39] <thom> yeah, a marketed-at-3GHz amd64 with a GB of ram
[02:40] <thom> (ie, it's real clock speed is 2GHz)
[02:40] <azeem> they still do this with amd64?
[02:40] <azeem> thought they just use some random numbers these days, or just for the Opteron servers?
[02:41] <thom> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
[02:41] <thom> cpu MHz         : 2003.246
[02:41] <azeem> bah
[02:42] <azeem> model name      : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 240
[02:42] <azeem> cpu MHz         : 1395.656
[02:42] <azeem> more prudent
[02:47] <elmo_> is /topic out of date or do I need to update my search?
[02:47] <thom> azeem: nod
[02:48] <thom> they obviously couldn't escape the marketroids for the consumer chips :/
[02:54] <thom> oh man. the backtrace for mozilla is making me tired just looking at it
[02:56] <Kamion> elmo_: I can see 23 here
[02:57] <elmo_> cool, thanks
[02:58] <Kamion> thom: try bug #1254 :P
[03:00] <thom> ah, yes
[03:00] <thom> the good old "dell sucks" bug
[03:01] <tseng> mmm, i have that bug
[03:01] <tseng> i can help w/ it between classes
[03:15] <tseng> be back in 2 hours or so
[03:16] <elmo_> argh
[03:16] <elmo_> kamion: what the heck is cdimage/jigit and why do clients go into a tight loop trying to fetch it?
[03:21] <thom> gack
[03:21] <thom> that segfault doesn't happen with a mozilla binary download
[03:29] <pitti> thom: you mean only the warty version crashes?
[03:29] <Keybuk> mdz, sabdfl: is there a tech-board meeting today?  if so, what time and what's the agenda? :p
[03:30] <thom> pitti: yep :/
[03:30] <thom> so now it's binary search time
[03:30] <pitti> thom: bad. Can you reproduce it with the debugging version?
[03:30] <thom> the debug version segfaults, yeah
[03:30] <pitti> thom: my last gstreamer bug did not appear any more as soon as I switched off optimizations... :-)
[03:31] <thom> yeah, that's no fun
[03:31] <pitti> thom: do you get a nice bt?
[03:31] <thom> 109 frames of joy
[03:31] <thom> i have a hunch
[03:33] <pitti> thom: good luck! I've got to go now
[03:43] <|trey|> Who is in charge of Bugzilla? something in the main channel is having probs
[03:43] <azeem> justdave
[03:43] <|trey|> azeem: k, thanks  :)
[03:50] <Kamion> elmo_: because we haven't got the proper snapshot archive set up? I've sent several mails to you and thom asking for this, and Steve has been nagging me too
[03:51] <Kamion> Mark paid Steve money to get this done
[03:51] <elmo_> yeah ok, but why are their multiple IPs hitting it repeatedly, like 5 times a minute for 5 minutes?
[03:51] <elmo_> s/their/there/
[03:52] <Kamion> I guess jigdo is upset by it not existing
[03:52] <elmo_>    2340 <IP_ADDRESS>]
[03:52] <elmo_>    1153 <IP_ADDRESS>]
[03:52] <elmo_> that's an apache2 style (i.e. crap) failure mode for being upset
[03:52] <Kamion> maybe I can change the default fallback server for now, although it won't work well
[03:54] <Kamion> OK, changed, but we really need the snapshot archives soonish
[04:02] <tuo2> hmmm
[04:03] <tuo2> anyone here running the security team? If so, and you are looking for members, flick me a message. :)
[05:10] <pII-350> hi there!
[05:11] <pII-350> can somebody help me.. I got stucked with my Ubuntu installation.. all is installed and seems to work properly, but at the next restart i hangs up with some modules
[05:15] <m_tthew> pII-350 : try #ubuntu
[05:45] <daniels> mdz: the only possible solution to the figlet bug seems to be to remove it; imho we should do so
[05:54] <Keybuk> daniels: except that the "desert island test" bits are bogus ... there's nothing in the DFSG against those, despite what slef & co. might think
[05:55] <daniels> Keybuk: yes, but in general, it's not too dfsg-free :P
[05:59] <Keybuk> this is where I think licence-lawyers go way off the deep end.  figlet has been effectively MIT for over a decade, with myriad distribution and modification under that assumption.
[07:28] <thom> and now firefox is trashing the stack
[07:28] <thom> *hates*
[07:59] <sivang> thom are eanybody else here with knowledge of SCSI devices?
[07:59] <sivang> are=or
[07:59] <npmccallum> sivang: whats up?
[08:05] <lamont> doko: you around?
[09:06] <Kamion> could I have some developers looking over https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=229?
[09:07] <Kamion> testing doesn't seem to be producing particularly excellent results (it's bug #1566); on the other hand, due to the nature of the bug it's very difficult to test a fix reliably once you've encountered it on a given machine, and I haven't heard anyone saying that the patch has behaved any worse than the original
[09:12] <fabbione> Kamion: why does it patches the config.guess too?
[09:14] <Kamion> fabbione: nothing to do with me, guv
[09:14] <Kamion> fabbione: automatic update by debian/rules
[09:14] <fabbione> Kamion: the patch seems sane to me
[09:16] <Kamion> fabbione: thanks
[09:38] <Kamion> What do people think of this text, for an OpenSSH upgrade question?
[09:38] <Kamion> _Description: Disable challenge-response authentication?
[09:38] <Kamion>  Password authentication appears to be disabled in your current OpenSSH
[09:38] <Kamion>  server configuration. In order to prevent users from logging in using
[09:38] <Kamion>  passwords (perhaps using only public key authentication instead) with
[09:38] <Kamion>  recent versions of OpenSSH, you must disable challenge-response
[09:38] <Kamion>  authentication, or else ensure that your PAM configuration does not allow
[09:38] <Kamion>  Unix password file authentication.
[09:39] <Kamion>  .
[09:39] <Kamion>  If you disable challenge-response authentication (the default answer), then
[09:39] <Kamion>  users will not be able to log in using passwords, only with their private
[09:39] <Kamion>  keys. If you leave it enabled, then the 'PasswordAuthentication no' option
[09:39] <Kamion>  will have no useful effect unless you also adjust your PAM configuration in
[09:39] <Kamion>  /etc/pam.d/ssh.
[09:39] <Kamion> [note: this will only be displayed to people who have already modified sshd_config themselves]
[09:40] <fabbione> Kamion: perhaps you can avoid repeating twice the key atuhentication stuff
[09:40] <fabbione> (perhaps using only public key
[09:40] <fabbione> only with their
[09:40] <fabbione>           private
  keys.
[09:41] <fabbione> you repeat it twice telling 2 different keys
[09:41] <fabbione> it might be confusing
[09:41] <Kamion> "public key authentication" is the term used in the manual page and the correct name for the authentication mode, but you don't use your public key to log in
[09:42] <Kamion> I could just take out ", only with their private keys" I guess
[09:42] <fabbione> yes i know what you meam
[09:42] <fabbione> mean
[09:42] <Kamion> it did occur to me when I wrote it that it might be a little confusing; since somebody else thought so as well, I'll take it out
[09:46] <seb128> grrrr, is there anybody reading the bug reports against bugzilla in ubuntu.bugzilla.org ?
[09:47] <Kamion> you mean bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?
[09:48] <seb128> no, bugzilla.ubuntu.com :p
[09:48] <seb128> but yeah :)
[09:48] <elmo_> seb128: ?
[09:48] <Kamion> seb128: justdave does a pass over them every so often; he closed a bunch this morning
[09:48] <seb128> I want an UPSTREAM state
[09:49] <seb128> nobody even cares to reply in 10 days
[09:49] <seb128> and I've pinged last week
[09:49] <elmo_> ah, ok, that's a justdave thing.. sorry thought you might have meant some of the outstanding admin stuff
[09:52] <seb128_> sorry, dsl hangup
[09:52] <seb128_> I've stopped after <Kamion> seb128: justdave does a pass over them every so often; he closed a bunch this morning
[09:52] <seb128_> was saying, that it would be really usefull to get an UPSTREAM state
[09:52] <seb128_> most of GNOME issues are upstreams bug and a big part is forwarded
[09:52] <seb128_> I would appreciate to get at least a comment/reply/something on my bug in 10 days :)
[09:56] <seb128_> mdz: ping ?
[09:58] <seb128> justdave: ping ?
[09:58] <thom> so, is the correct response on ubuntu-devel to Orlando Fiol "exactly"?
[09:58] <thom> :-)
[09:59] <Kamion> thom: :-)
[10:00] <justdave> seb128: sorry, just replied on the bug.
[10:00] <justdave> should have marked it ASSIGNED when I initially grabbed it so you knew it was on my radar
[10:00] <seb128> justdave: no problem that's just that getting the feeling to be ignored is frustating :)
[10:00] <seb128> justdave: thanks
[10:01] <justdave> yeah, I know.  I just made the same complaint on a bug I assigned to someone else a week or so ago, so I feel stupid now :)
[10:01] <mdz> seb128: pong
[10:02] <seb128> mdz: #1851
[10:02] <seb128> you've tested the patch, ok to include it ?
[10:05] <mdz> seb128: I haven't tested the last part (to ifupdown), but the gst patch works fine
[10:06] <seb128> ok, I'm going to upload gst to fix an another bug, ok to include this patch too so ?
[10:07] <mdz> seb128: yes
[10:07] <seb128> thanks
[10:07] <seb128> mdz: #2088 too :)
[10:09] <mdz> seb128: fine with me; they don't seem to have any new dependencies
[10:09] <mdz> I'm happy for them to go in supported
[10:09] <seb128> no depends, that's only html files
[10:09] <seb128> ok, thanks
[10:09] <seb128> I'll add them to the seed and upload
[10:10] <mdz> ok
[11:12] <Keybuk> can I mention that screem's fetish with stealing every available mime type for itself is f*cking annoying
[11:20] <Kamion> OK, I think I have a fix for #1586
[11:20] <Kamion> although it will need to be ported from unstable to experimental and thence to Ubuntu
[11:33] <bradb_> seb128: why does vim show up without an icon in Applications->Accessories?
[11:34] <seb128> because there is no real point to have it here ?
[11:34] <seb128> that's not really a desktop user app
[11:36] <mdz> it should not show up in the menu at all
[11:36] <mdz> bradb_: are you saying it's there with no icon, or that it's not there?
[11:36] <sabdfl> doh
[11:37] <sabdfl> it's there with no icon
[11:37] <sabdfl> both facts surprised me
[11:37] <sabdfl> clicking it runs gvim
[11:42] <seb128> oh ok
[11:42] <seb128> I'll remove the entry


[00:02] <drew> I am booted into the Ubuntu live cd and I'm trying to install some basic stuff like emacs-nox or gnome-tweaks, but I get "E: Unable to locate package emacs-nox"
[00:03] <lotuspsychje> !info emacs-nox
[00:03] <lotuspsychje> wich ubuntu release are you on drew
[00:04] <drew> My sources.list has "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy main restricted" which I thought would be enough
[00:04] <drew> lotuspsychje: 22.04
[00:04] <lotuspsychje> package shows in universe
[00:05] <drew> so I should add universe after restricted?
[00:07] <lotuspsychje> drew: the repo you showed is main, you need universe for the package you want
[00:07] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-tweaks
[00:08] <lotuspsychje> same for this^
[00:19] <kotgc> test
[00:21] <kotgc> test
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> it works, we see you kotgc
[00:24] <kotgc> lotuspsychje, thanks, irc wasn't joining other channels, seems I need to identify, eventhough I could post on this channel :-)
[00:26] <kotgc> I've been trying to setup remote access, but Ubuntu remote access turned on won't let the phone connect in.
[00:26] <kotgc> Now I'm trying OpenVPN on my pfSense vm router, but same issue.
[00:27] <kotgc> I port forwared 5900 and 1194.
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> kotgc: nmap -sV -PN to your ip that you want remote access to, to see wich ports are open or not
[00:35] <kotgc> lotuspsychje, https://dpaste.org/FtaUR I ran the commaned from this local machine, but I want to remote in from my phone (client) to this computer (host).
[00:35] <kotgc> Nmap says ports 5900 and 1194 aren't closed.
[00:36] <lotuspsychje> kotgc: you need to scan from outside to your machine you want remote in
[00:37] <lotuspsychje> local scans gives different results
[00:37] <kotgc> lotuspsychje, ok, I'll search an app for nmap, as I haven't found one yet.
[00:50] <orbisvicis> what package do I have to install to be able to export libreoffice calc spreadsheets as excel xlsx spreadsheets ?
[00:52] <orbisvicis> I can only export as pdf or xml
[00:53] <orbisvicis> ahh nevermind
[00:56] <toddc> save as xlsx I assume you found it
[01:00] <orbisvicis> yep :/
[04:43]  * kszl buu
[04:55] <gdb> kotgc: zenmap? https://nmap.org/zenmap/
[05:29] <bigshot> i can't login to wifi from ubuntuLTS
[05:29] <bigshot> using gnome
[05:29] <bigshot> network manager
[05:35] <causative> is wifi turned on? there may be a keyboard button to disable it
[05:36] <causative> that could have been hit accidentally
[05:37] <bigshot> i can connect to other router
[05:37] <causative> via wifi?
[05:37] <bigshot> but not to main router
[05:37] <bigshot> yes
[05:38] <bigshot> causative, i think there is some problem with gnome network manager
[05:38] <bigshot> causative, when i try to connect it keeps on asking for password again and again
[05:38] <causative> do you have another device in the same place that you can connect to the main router, to verify the problem is not your pw or the signal strength?
[05:39] <causative> if the other device has a saved pw, erase the saved pw to make sure the one you are typing is correct
[05:39] <bigshot> causative, android phone connects easily to main router
[05:39] <causative> after erasing the saved pw?
[05:40] <bigshot> no
[05:40] <bigshot> causative, i think there is some setting in Network Manager
[05:41] <bigshot> KDE doesn't have this problem
[05:41] <bigshot> only gnomes network manager
[05:43] <causative> kde has no problem if you first erase the saved pw?
[05:44] <bigshot> causative, no
[05:45] <causative> then try that
[05:47] <bigshot> causative, i changed to 2.4ghz nm-connection-editor and it can now connect!
[05:47] <causative> oh good
[05:51] <kotgc> gdb, thanks, but no iOS. I found the network issue. My KVM router needs access to the public WAN IP. Just learning how about PCI passthrough. I think I run a command on this host Ubuntu?
[06:30] <jackneill__> hey. any idea why sometimes the system tray applets are buggy and non clickable? for example if i try to right click the bluetooth the applets just vanish. i have to restart cinnamon to make them appear again.
[07:41] <bigshot00> hello
[07:42] <bigshot00> what is official way to install wine?
[07:50] <guiverc> `sudo apt install wine` will install the package intended for your release bigshot00, some like the latest & thus use upstream (3rd party) packages, but Ubuntu repositories will be the official way
[07:55] <ice9> how the kernel in ubuntu is different than the Debian's kernel?
[07:56] <alonso> Looking to perform a ssh-key and need to run through in quiet mode without user having to answer questions. "ssh-copy <destination> -q". But the question shows up anyhow. What arguments would I need to add to keep ssh-copy-id to run silently?
[07:59] <alonso> I created my SSH config file and would like to avoid having to pass through any password in terminal command, nor writing password in a text file to call upon.
[08:17] <weedmic> are they different?  ice9
[08:19] <alkisg> alonso: do you mean this? ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=accept-new hostname
[08:28] <alonso> alkisg, yes exactly, works fine.
[08:29] <alkisg> 👍
[08:30] <alonso> Last step I need to automate is that when ssh-copy is being done, it will ask for the password once and then be done. Can I send in this password with an argument instead of having to manually answer it?
[08:34] <alonso> I do not want to store the password in a file and I have not access to sshpass, being in a podman container.
[08:40] <weedmic> еруку шы ф цфн ещ ыещку еру зфыыцщкв утскнзеувб иге Ш рфму ащпщееут
[08:40] <weedmic> darn it - there is a way to store a password in a file that is encrypted.  but I have forgotten exactly how to do it.  i could find it if you need though.
[09:02] <life_bad> Hi. Why Ubuntu uses much less memory and swap than debian (if i use both with the same lightweight window manager)
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | life_bad
[09:34] <bigshot00> how to install dotnet on winetricks?
[09:45] <weedmic> are you sure you do not really want "https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-ubuntu" instead bigshot00
[09:46] <bigshot00> weedmic, ? is wine outdated now?
[09:46] <bigshot00> i want to run windows app on linux
[09:46] <bigshot00> jammy lts
[09:47] <bigshot00> weedmic, ?
[09:47] <weedmic> i have not used wine in a very many years, it did not do what I wanted then - it did run my score processor, but only played piano.  however, i have also not heard anyone else sing its praises since and just hear frustration in this woorm.  so... I should say "not recommended", but... you can try.
[09:48] <weedmic> when I need/must have a win programme, I make a vm with the right windows and install it inside there - unless it is a game.  i've yet to try passthrough.  mostly due to tiem
[09:48] <weedmic> or lack of time.
[09:48] <bigshot00> i like to run linux on hardware instead on vm
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> weedmic: please dont say not reccomended on supported software on ubuntu
[09:49] <bigshot00> lotuspsychje, i can't install dotnet with winetricks it exits with error
[09:50] <weedmic> np, not recommended by me, you can try and if it works great.  however, imho, win programmes work best inside a virtual environment on real windows.  remember wine is not an emulator.
[09:51] <bigshot00> there's no standard steps, every single joe on net suggests diff. way of installing wine
[09:51] <bigshot00> i think linux is best to be used for servers
[09:53] <weedmic> When searching for is wine recommendoed or not, I got conflicting answers.  First was "27 Nov 2019 — Newer versions of Wine (Not Recommended). The Wine Ubuntu repository provides the newest development versions of Wine. Follow these steps to ..." - 3 down was "3 Feb 2022 — Installing Wine from the default Ubuntu repositories is the easiest option. However, be aware that it may not provide the latest version."
[09:53] <weedmic> so just have some expectations of work - to fine tune it - and backup it so if something goes wrong later, you can return to when it worked.
[09:54] <bigshot00> weedmic, what is your main os?
[09:54] <bigshot00> windows or linux?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> bigshot00 weedmic please stay ontopic in this channel, focus on ubuntu support questions alone
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> !chat
[09:55] <weedmic> linux - i've not used windows since 1998 (except as a vm)
[09:55] <bigshot00> ah so you are macos person?
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> bigshot00: did you hear what i just said?
[09:56] <weedmic> switch to #ubuntu-offtopic att
[09:57] <bigshot00> ?
[10:00]  * bigshot00 pats lotuspsychje
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> bigshot00: please keep in mind this channel is for support issues only, we divide it with chat and discussions into other channels
[11:55] <drew> I am trying to build the kernel by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel but I got an error right at the end building vmlinux: http://0x0.st/HfLR.txt
[11:55] <drew> My patches are only for iwlwifi, so could this be due to my environment? I'm building while booted into the Ubuntu ISO
[11:58] <jeremy31> Did it compile iwlwifi.ko
[12:00] <ravage> drew: if you cant boot ubuntu from your local drive consider installing it to a 2nd usb drive. you can install it from usb to usb
[12:00] <ravage> i dont think the live session is a good build environment
[12:01] <ravage> then try it from a fully updated Ubuntu
[12:03] <ravage> or maybe a VM is a good alternative
[12:03] <drew> The VM took up too much space and was too slow, so I opted for the live usb
[12:04] <drew> Why is the live usb not a good environment? It has all the packages required to build and I'm not losing performance due to virtualization
[12:04] <ravage> on a CPU that is not older than 8 years or so virtualization does not have a big performance loss
[12:05] <ravage> if you want to optimize performance use containers
[12:05] <ravage> with lxc/lxd
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <oerheks> !info backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[12:30] <oerheks> i would use this for newer iwlwifi driver on 22.04
[12:31] <jeremy31> oerheks: depends on if it has the patches drew needs
[12:33] <oerheks> true, and this is useless for a live session, one needs to reboot to build
[12:35] <jeremy31> I would use git to clone backport-iwlwifi to an installed Ubuntu as it would compile much quicker
[12:56] <jeremy31> drew: can you post a link to the patch?
[13:31] <Bombo> i'm (still) using focal nvidia-drivers-525, trying to update to 535: apt install nvidia-driver-535, but i get The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-driver-535 : Depends: libnvidia-gl-535 (= 535.86.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not going to be installed and some more of that, is 535 broken or did i do something wrong?
[13:32] <ravage> Bombo: open "additional drivers" and look what version is recommended there for your device. that is the one you should install from there
[13:32] <oerheks> did you run proper updates first?
[13:32] <oerheks> apt update && apt dist-upgrade
[13:35] <leftyfb> Bombo: why are you trying to update?
[14:01] <meowchow> Anyone know the command to download kali linux tools into Ubuntu?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: thats not a reccomended nor supported ubuntu way
[14:04] <meowchow> To install?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: what you can do is download pentesting software from the ubuntu repos/apt
[14:05] <meowchow> ^ thank you, do you by chance know what the pentesting software is called?
[14:05] <oerheks> ask in #kali ?
[14:05] <meowchow> I think this is a standard Linux question too though, isnt it?
[14:05] <oerheks> no, as it is not in our repos
[14:06] <meowchow> OH ok
[14:06] <meowchow> I thought it was, sorry. I was told it is
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: you can search packages from apt, apt-cache search keyword
[14:06] <Bombo> ravage: where is "additional drivers"?
[14:06] <Bombo> 15:32 <oerheks> did you run proper updates first? <- yes
[14:06] <jeremy31> Bombo: Software & Updates
[14:06] <Bombo> 15:35 <leftyfb> Bombo: why are you trying to update? <- well to get the latest driver?
[14:07] <leftyfb> @Bombo: is there a problem with your existing driver?
[14:07] <meowchow> lotuspsychje: thank you
[14:07] <Bombo> jeremy31: is there a commandline for this?
[14:07] <meowchow> sudo apt-cache search hack?
[14:08] <oerheks> man ubuntu-drivers
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: if you want go to security and pentesting, you need to know what you're doing and search for specific packagenames
[14:08] <Bombo> leftyfb: the new one has vulkan drivers v 1.3
[14:09] <Bombo> the dxvk 2.x needs vulkan 1.3
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: inform yourself first, wich software you want to test, then search it on apt
[14:09] <meowchow> lotuspsychje: I want to learn from scratch. Like hacking wifi passwords for one.
[14:09] <oerheks> vulkan drivers v 1.3 on focal, why not the latest LTS? with a proper kernel 6.2.x
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: hacking is not supported here
[14:10] <meowchow> *ethical pentesting
[14:10] <oerheks> #kali is your channel to be, meowchow
[14:10] <meowchow> Good to know
[14:11] <meowchow> On Ubuntu, is there an email software included?
[14:11] <Bombo> oerheks: it's on the todo list, upgrading to what is it 23.04
[14:11] <respawn> meowchow: yes it is called tunderbirs
[14:11] <respawn> thunderbird
[14:12] <Bombo> postfix is good email software ;)
[14:12] <meowchow> Would I need to register an email?
[14:13] <oerheks> !register
[14:14] <Bombo> meowchow: to do what?
[14:15] <meowchow> I just want to use a pre-existing email account to quickly send emails through another application.
[14:15] <Bombo> meowchow: with thunderbird you can setup an existing email account
[14:15] <meowchow> Ha, you're spot on, you read my mind
[14:26] <igor> hello
[14:27] <oerheks> :-)
[14:27] <igor> all right?
[14:28] <Bombo> $ nvidia-detector
[14:28] <Bombo> nvidia-driver-535
[14:28] <Bombo> is this the recommended package for me?
[14:29] <Bombo> $ apt search -n nvidia-driver-535
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> Bombo: autoinstall picks the most reccomended driver for your card
[14:29] <Bombo> nvidia-driver-535/focal-updates,focal-security 535.86.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64
[14:30] <Bombo> lotuspsychje: apt autoinstall?
[14:30] <oerheks> Bombo, why not using the tool in updates?
[14:30] <Bombo> oerheks: which tool?
[14:31] <oerheks> open the updates config, you will find it
[14:31] <oerheks> ' additional drivers'
[14:33] <Bombo> oerheks: i don't see 'updates' nor 'additional drivers'
[14:35] <oerheks> 535 stays on vulcan 1.2.131 for Focal https://www.reddit.com/r/vulkan/comments/14xmuv3/how_to_update_vulkan_version_noob_advice/
[14:36] <oerheks> so, if you don' t have the update settings, nor additional drivers in there, i am out of clues
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> software&updates icon Bombo
[14:39] <Bombo> hmm
[14:44] <ravage> Bombo: https://i.imgur.com/7aSETM1.png
[14:45] <ravage> but an upgrade to 22.04 is a good idea in any case
[15:33] <Guest82> Hello, do you know why when restarting my laptop it always show a mistake when loading Ubuntu? But if I switch off and then on Ubuntu loads perfect.
[15:56] <foobarely> My wired connection doesn't seem to be working after a hard reboot (system froze; I magic sysreq'd it). Can anyone help me troubleshoot it please?
[16:49] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> welcome sebsebseb
[16:49] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: hi
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you today sebsebseb
[18:38] <meowchow> Hackerpcs: do you know how to hackerpc?
[18:40] <ravage> !ot | meowchow
[18:41] <meowchow> Thank you for sharing this!!!
[18:41] <meowchow> ubottu: +1
[19:54] <tripstah> i have this kde-theme problem, i installed kinfocenter and the changed the gnome theme to kde! i uninstalled the kinfocenter, kde* and these packages: kubuntu-desktop kde-standard language-pack-kde-en. it looks like this and i don't like it!: https://ibb.co/pLWPCMq .
[19:55] <tripstah> -it changed
[19:56] <josh_> Greetings! Hey guys, I am running Ubuntu 22.02 and I have an iPhone 8 plus which I have been trying to see if I can transfer music from Ubuntu to it without success, any help will be greatly appreciated. Rhytmbox does'nt see the phone
[20:03] <xangua> It doesn't mount/appear in the file browser? josh_
[20:04] <josh_> Yes, I can see my pictures but other than that, the music part is a no no
[20:04] <ravage> i think Apple calls that a feature :)
[20:07] <ravage> you can try the packages "sudo apt install ifuse libimobiledevice-utils"
[20:07] <ravage> https://km.kkrach.de/p_access_iphone_from_linux/
[20:09] <josh_> I have already install the l..mobile and ifuse but it won't mount
[20:10] <josh_> but why does rhytmbox does'nt see my iphone ?
[20:11] <ravage> cant help you further really. never owned an apple product in my life
[20:11] <tripstah> tried gnome-twwaks but didn't find a setting to change back to gnome graphics.
[20:18] <ravage> tripstah: do you have any theme related extensions installed?
[20:21] <xangua> josh_: you can try KDE connect
[20:21] <xangua> To send files*
[20:27] <ravage> for gnome gsconnect is better
[20:27] <ravage> but im sure that does not support an iphone
[20:28] <ravage> ok it exists
[20:28] <ravage> but would still use gsconnect :)
[20:28] <ravage> (on the desktop side)
[20:29] <josh_> How does kde connect play out ?
[20:29] <tripstah> ravage: nope.
[20:36] <xangua> https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/kde-connect/id1580245991 ravage josh_
[20:38] <josh_> Well, I think that my issue is solved but thanks for your input guys
[20:56] <pasjrwoctx> Hello Everyone, I have a question I am using UbuntuStudio 22.04 with pipewire and pulseeffects, but I can not for the life of me figure out how to get the virtual devices to show up, I am streaming sound just fine through my bt speaker, but I would also like to pipe it at the same time through my audio headphone jack, I have done all the normal stuff to try to get it to work, but the option to actually make it happen is not there
[20:56] <pasjrwoctx> . Any simple and easy ways to make this happen?
[21:00] <sebsebseb> pasjrwoctx: looks   like  the sound  settings   in GNOME is a  bit basic,I  used to  install pavucontrol  usually  and do    sound stuff,not surei if    that's   much good   now   though
[21:00] <pasjrwoctx> sebsebseb I have done that no work
[21:33] <kubast2> Hey, I'm on arm64. But ubuntu doesn't modify library path for aarch64. How can I include a library properly? Because from what I can atm it isn't the way to do it. The file is at /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu folder
[21:33] <kubast2> gcc -O2 -L/usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu $(pkg-config sdl2 --libs --cflags)
[21:33] <kubast2> File: /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libSDL2-2.0.so.0
[21:34] <kubast2> Result "undefined reference"(to SDL_Init etc.) ld returned 1 exit status.
[22:25] <kubast2> So GCC on aarch64(rpi 400), ubuntu-mate 22.04 is bugged. Basically it doesn't even try to list a directory /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu so it has no actual idea if he library is available in path
[22:25] <kubast2> It does check if the path is valid but not much else
[22:25] <kubast2> It works with clang for whatever reason
[22:25] <kubast2> the*
[22:37] <kubast2> Well
[22:37] <kubast2> ld.gold works
[22:37] <kubast2> but gcc fails
[22:37] <kubast2> to find the func
[22:37] <kubast2> idfk why idc
[22:37] <kubast2> clang works, ld.gold linker works
[23:57] <m4ker> Using Lubuntu at the moment, want to switch to ubuntu, would you make a fresh install or can i make a gnome install? anyone? =)
[23:59] <tripstah> m4ker: maybe try googling for change from lxde to gnome


[12:59] <dpm> hi svij, so I was thinking about UbuCon EU
[13:00] <svij> dpm: yes?
[13:00] <dpm> I think at this stage it might be better to have biweekly meetings, as in the last few ones we've not had much updates to report
[13:01] <dpm> and just move to weekly ones as the event date approaches
[13:01] <svij> well for today I would just have two (or three) things
[13:01] <svij> 1.) We still need the blog :/
[13:01] <dpm> svij, sure
[13:02] <svij> 2.) I've contact to someone from Microsoft for sponsoring, we need to talk about the brochure and finish that
[13:02] <svij> 3.) Not sure what the state of dholbach s reachout to canonical people for talks is
[13:02] <dholbach> svij, what I said last time: I mailed around 30-40 people from all over Europe and had no replies yet
[13:03] <svij> :(
[13:03] <dholbach> it was some time before release so I expect they were all busy and felt "that's still a long time until then"
[13:03] <dholbach> so totally understandable
[13:04] <dholbach> if you want me to mail them again, let me know what you'd like to say and I'll send a mail out
[13:04] <svij> I thought you already did that after the release
[13:05] <dholbach> what do you want me to say in the mail?
[13:05] <svij> "Submit a talk to UbuCon EU. NOW!"
[13:06] <svij> just kidding. :)
[13:06] <svij> what did you write in the first mail?
[13:09] <dholbach> svij, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16345637/
[13:09] <popey> I know Martin from Ubuntu MATE is keen to do a talk :)
[13:12] <dpm> popey, \o/ would you mind adding him to https://trello.com/b/vrvHS6sk/ubucon-europe ?
[13:12] <svij> popey: dpm: I've wrote to him a few days ago, he said he'll talk to me in a couple of days. :)
[13:12] <dpm> excellent
[13:13] <popey> done
[13:13] <svij> dholbach: ah looks good. What about a simple "hey, I got nothing, hope you saw it" kind of mail?
[13:13] <svij> popey: can you add your details to your talk soon, too? :)
[13:15] <svij> dpm: the only thing which is worrying me is, that it's still hard to get a decent amount of talks to send the final invitation to mark and jane :/
[13:19] <dholbach> svij, let me know if there's anything else I should put in there... I'd like to avoid sending lots of mails to everyone, so we better include it all in one mail
[13:22] <dpm> mhall119, can you attend the ubucon call today to talk about sponsorships?  ^
[13:27] <dholbach> dpm, do you need me in the call too? I have no updates
[13:28] <mhall119> dpm: I can if you need me, otherwise I'd prefer to skip
[13:28] <mhall119> dpm: I haven't send the inquiry to legal yet about how to handle the contract, so I don't have anything to add today
[13:28] <svij> dholbach: currently I don't know what we should add. Except maybe some of the already known speakers (which aren't much yet)
[13:28] <svij> mhall119: do we need canonical legal?
[13:29] <svij> we had a few small sponsorships in the past which we handled ourself, we could do that here too
[13:30] <svij> and that might be even easier for all us of, because we're paying the venue
[13:30] <mhall119> svij: we may not need to go through them for the sponsorships, but I need to confirm that there is no trademark issues with you collecting money for an Ubuntu event
[13:31] <dpm> svij, mhall119, so do you want to discuss the sponsorship brochure here or in the call?
[13:31] <mhall119> since everything for the UbuCon Summit in California went through Canonical
[13:31] <svij> mhall119: ah okay
[13:31] <svij> I think I'm fine now, from my sight
[13:31] <svij> if you could ask that, that would be good, mhall119
[13:31] <jcastro> mhall119: on my intel laptop if I login to the unity8 session with that ppa I just get a black screen
[13:31] <mhall119> me too, I'll send that inquiry today and let you know
[13:32] <svij> great, thanks
[13:32] <mhall119> jcastro: you need a citrain silo, I used 53, but double-check in #ubuntu-unity which one has the libhybris fix, it may be different now
[13:32] <mhall119> jcastro: FWIW, I'm writing up all my instructions and work arounds right now
[13:32] <svij> dpm: can I hope that we somehow manage to get the blog on ubucon.org working by this week? It's already taking too much time. :(
[13:33] <jcastro> ok I'll just wait for your instructions
[13:33] <dpm> svij, I don't know if I'll be able to do it this week, but that should not block us from posting from somewhere else such as the Fridge
[13:33] <jcastro> marcoceppi: have you had a full month in your new place yet? 22 leaves in April for me
[13:33] <svij> dpm: ok, I'll talk to marius about the contest then
[13:34] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you ready?
[13:34] <dpm> svij, great, thanks!
[13:34] <marcoceppi> jcastro: 28, you?
[13:35] <jcastro> you win
[13:35] <jcastro> 22
[13:36] <jcastro> jose: can you try to see what happens if you just ask the travel agent to book your travel?
[13:38] <dholbach> svij, sent another mail
[13:40] <svij> dholbach: thanks <3
[13:53] <dpm> popey, dholbach, mhall119, davidcalle, unless one of you wants to run the Q&A today, I propose postponing until we've worked on the preparation of the new guests format we discussed at UOS
[13:54] <dholbach> wfm
[13:55] <popey> will we have time to do it next week?
[13:55] <popey> will be during our sprint
[13:57] <davidcalle> we should give it a go, all of us in in the same {room|starbucks|bench in front of mcdonalds} will make for a fun Q&A
[13:58] <dpm> I'll add it to the agenda. I initially put 1h slots, but we should probably partition some into 30 min slots, as some smaller topics won't need the full hour
[13:58] <dpm> the Q&A itself is already in the schedule
[13:58] <dholbach> yep, I put it in there
[13:58] <dpm> but we should add the prep part too
[13:59] <dpm> we already had the discussion at UOS, so this will be more about going through the work items
[14:00] <popey> ah so it is :)
[14:00] <popey> skimmed right past that
[14:07] <belkinsa> Are you guys aware that the UOS site is down: http://summit.ubuntu.com/ ?
[14:08] <popey> blame mhall119
[14:08] <belkinsa> lol
[14:09] <svij> time to change the famous hashtag from #blamepopey to #blamecommunityteam :)
[14:09] <svij> :P
[14:09] <popey> fine by me
[14:28] <dpm> has someone filed an RT? Otherwise I'll go ahead and do it
[14:28] <mhall119> belkinsa: it's not down, the homepage is just broken
[14:30] <mhall119> dpm: will be one minute, fixing summit
[14:30]  * dpm envisions mhall119 in his superhero costume
[14:31] <mhall119> I'm Quick-And-Dirty-Hack-To-Make-It-Work Man
[14:31] <mhall119> technical debt is my super-power
[14:32]  * davidcalle can hear the crowd cheering
[14:32] <dpm> that's how we roll
[14:32] <mhall119> dpm: are you in the hangout? I thought it said you were, but now it says waiting for people to join
[14:33]  * mhall119 will be disappointed if the above conversation isn't on the internal quotes page
[14:33] <dpm> I was and I dropped, omw again
[14:50] <mhall119> who's doing the Q&A today? do we have a guest?
[14:51] <belkinsa> mhall119: ah and oh, I see.
[15:01] <Absurd-sugestion> QUESTION: Is the community Q&A ubuntuonair happening today, or not ?
[15:03] <Absurd-sugestion> err Herllo
[15:03] <dpm> Absurd-sugestion, answered your question directly on #ubuntu-on-air
[15:06] <Absurd-sugestion> dpm, thanks.
[15:07] <Absurd-sugestion> I get my Nexus 4 with Ubuntu pre-loaded tomorrow :)
[15:08] <dpm> \o/
[15:08] <Absurd-sugestion> cost £90 GBP.
[15:08] <Absurd-sugestion> cheaper and more powerful than the Meixu thingys or those bq jobbers.
[15:09] <dpm> Absurd-sugestion, next thing to try, connecting it to a monitor? :)
[15:10] <Absurd-sugestion> will do - is there a bug for that (on t'Nexus 4) or does it just work ?
[15:13] <popey> with a slimport, it works
[15:13] <dpm> I think nowadays you don't need to install any extra packages and it should just work when you connect a slimport adapter to a monitor
[15:13] <dpm> there you go :)
[15:23]  * Absurd-sugestion googles slimport ...
[15:25] <Absurd-sugestion> Whey hey hey ! £8/9 good-oh http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172142608260
[15:26] <dpm> I think so, popey, mhall119, that looks like an adapter that could work for the N4, right? ^
[15:42] <popey> should do, yeah
[15:42] <popey> i bought mine at amazon, they vary in quality
[15:57] <dpm> I'm not too happy with mine (which is not that model, btw^), every now and then the image goes black, which I first thought it was Ubuntu related, which I then tested with another N4 with Android to be the same case
[15:58] <dpm> more hardware-related, it seems
[15:58] <mhall119> dpm: possibly, but it's different from the one I have so no guarantees
[15:58] <mhall119> "slimport" was evidently a very loose standard
[15:58] <mhall119> it says it works with a Nexus 4 though
[15:59] <mhall119> as long as it's hardware-compatible, the software should work
[16:48] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you tomorrow! :-)
[16:58] <Kilos> hi guys. can the teams moving or sorting our wiki problems include Na3iL , he has time and the ability to help
[17:21] <mhall119> Kilos: sure, we're going to try and work out a set of "next steps" during our sprint next week
[17:21] <mhall119> Na3iL: will you be around on IRC monday and tuesday of next week?
[17:49] <Na3iL> back
[17:49] <Na3iL> Hello Kilos and mhall119
[17:49] <Na3iL> Yep I will be there sure :)
[17:49] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[17:50] <Kilos> you know where Na3iL
[17:50] <Kilos> i dont
[17:50] <Na3iL> Kilos, I think it will be here or in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:51] <Kilos> mhall119 can you fill him in please?
[17:51] <popey> he just did :)
[17:51] <popey> we're discussing it next week, and we'll poke you guys on irc when there's something to discuss :)
[17:52] <Kilos> aha ty popey i only do irc
[17:52] <Kilos> ill be here
[17:52] <mhall119> Kilos: Na3iL: the most likely target is a switch to mediawiki, but we need to detail everything that would require
[17:52] <Kilos> good luck all you guys
[17:58] <mhall119> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4iqhq0/dogfooding_unity_8/ upvotes appreciated
[18:21] <mhall119> popey: is there a convergence-ready music app available?
[18:38] <popey> mhall119: the one in the store
[18:46] <mhall119> cool, will grab it
[18:47] <ahoneybun> mhall119 yea the music app is ready to go
[18:56] <mhall119> woot! looks nice
[19:05] <mhall119> alright everyone, I started early today so I'm ending early, see you all tomorrow
[19:22] <jcastro> yesssssssssss
[19:22] <jcastro> htop in snappy
[19:22] <jcastro> ON IT.
[22:12] <popey> woah. now spammers are trying to make up random questions and talking to me on IRC to coerce me to add them to -etherpad!
[22:13] <wxl> sheesh