[12:23] <rick_h_> morning
[12:57] <Wolfger> morning
[12:58] <brousch> good
[12:58] <Wolfger> greg-g: So you don't want me there. Fine.  One is capable of running apps, the other has not-quite-admin rights to install things.
[13:11] <Wolfger> the app-running account can't even change the IP address of the NIC
[13:11] <Wolfger> which is a real pain for my job at times
[13:22] <Wolfger> sad news http://www.freep.com/article/20111208/NEWS07/112080607/Detroit-native-Harry-Morgan-starred-M-S-H-Dragnet-
[13:26] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, that was all over the net yesterday.
[14:39] <jrwren> anyone excited about Mark S. today?
[14:39] <jrwren> I didn't register to watch because I try not to use Flash. Now I"m thinking I want to watch anyway, becuase juju sounds too cool
[15:10] <jrwren> i guess everyone is too busy watching to chat.
[15:10] <jrwren> i tuned in.
[15:15] <mydogsname1srudy> morning to ya
[15:21] <krondor> morning
[15:21] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:21] <snap-l> Haven't drunk the juju kool-aid yet.
[15:22] <Wolfger> it's not kool-aid, it's bees
[15:22] <Wolfger> jujubees
[15:22] <snap-l> bah
[15:22] <brousch> i haven't eaten the jujubees yet
[15:23] <brousch> i wonder if they could be infused with alcohol like gummy bears
[15:24] <snap-l> I'm just grateful that food science is working hard to make things that are insanely bad for us
[15:24] <mydogsname1srudy> just go to mICKYdE FOR that
[15:25] <brousch> wow, that is a stretch
[15:30] <Wolfger> what's a stretch? Calling Micky D's "food science"?
[15:31] <mydogsname1srudy> its not real food.
[15:31] <Wolfger> I don't know if they invented "meat glue", but they sure made it popular with McNuggets. And now celebrity chefs use it to make fancy dishes.
[15:35] <mydogsname1srudy> hmmm not to sure i like this new gnome desktop
[15:35] <_stink_> what is 'real food'?
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> steak and eggs
[15:36] <_stink_> oh ok
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> fry taters and inions
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> and beer
[15:36] <_stink_> sounds like you really like breakfast food
[15:36] <_stink_> :)
[15:36] <mydogsname1srudy> i do
[15:36] <Wolfger> beer for breakfast: ++
[15:37] <mydogsname1srudy> is it lunch time yet
[15:37] <_stink_> hehe
[15:37] <mydogsname1srudy> ok i want my sceensaver back
[15:46] <snap-l> mydogsname1srudy: Good luck with that.
[15:46] <snap-l> http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-activate-screen-saver-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[15:47] <brousch> you don't need a screensaver
[15:47] <Wolfger> Hah! American boy sends message in a bottle out to sea, gets response via e-mail. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/ny-boy-sends-message-in-a-bottle-gets-reply-from-azores/
[15:48] <Wolfger> brousch: everybody needs a screensaver
[15:48] <brousch> no, if you needed a screensaver they'd have given you one
[15:48] <brousch> so obviously you don't
[15:48] <Wolfger> that is the one feature I kept asking for in Digikam... the ability to create a screensaver on digikam tags
[15:49] <Wolfger> brousch: "they" who? I have a screensaver. "They" gave it to me.
[15:51] <brousch> the gnomes
[15:52] <Wolfger> That would be one (of many) reasons I don't deal with gnomes
[16:00] <Wolfger> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-08/
[16:09] <Wolfger> "Ask Slashdot: Is Your Data Safe In the Cloud?"  ....  I'm not even going to click on that link. I'm too busy laughing.
[16:30] <greg-g> Wolfger: :P (re not wanting you here)
[16:33] <mydogsname1srudy> now i cant see my pictures flash by my eyes
[16:34] <mydogsname1srudy> will that work on 12.04 snap-l
[16:34] <rick_h_> bah, irc hung for an hour and I thought it was just low traffic
[16:34] <snap-l> mydogsname1srudy: I'm not sure. I don't see any reason it shouldn't but I don't know for certain
[16:34] <rick_h_> now I'm all behind
[16:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Hah
[16:36] <mydogsname1srudy> firefox would not install the flash plugin had to go in terminal and install ..
[16:36] <rick_h_> mydogsname1srudy: yea, that's normal
[16:36] <rick_h_> firefox doesn't know enough to really do the install like on other systems
[16:36] <mydogsname1srudy> i guess
[16:37] <snap-l> On Windows, it's the .exe that handles the dirty work
[16:37] <snap-l> Under Ubuntu, the install-flashplugin package should do the dirty work (iirc)
[16:37] <snap-l> flashplugin-installer
[16:46] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6200/are-there-rich-programmers
[16:46] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41050/why-isnt-software-as-reliable-as-a-car
[16:47] <brousch> https://plus.google.com/u/0/102663141609195877664/posts
[16:47] <snap-l> Wolfger: Just stop. :)
[16:48] <snap-l> brousch: nice!
[16:48] <brousch> i feel like i'm in a music video with that filter
[16:52] <dzho> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html <- Wolfger, that first link reminds me of this ;)  'They always say: “How will I eat?”, but the problem is not really how “Will he eat?”, but “How will he eat sushi?”.'
[16:54] <dzho> oh, damb.  that doesn't even show up in the top ten Google hits for "infinite sandwich"
[17:09] <Wolfger> snap-l: felt compelled to comment on the "reliable as cars" post.... Software is 100% reliable. Whatever you program the computer to do, it will do, every time. That's the definition of reliable, isn't it?
[17:11] <dzho> haha
[17:11] <dzho> "look who bought the myth"
[17:13]  * dzho challenges Wolfger to a Game of Life
[17:25] <snap-l>  Well, that's a stupid assertion
[17:26] <snap-l> things age. Cars break down over time because of wear
[17:26] <snap-l> computers break down because of moving parts outside of their control
[17:26] <snap-l> software breaks because of moving parts outside of their control
[17:27] <snap-l> Also, I'm tired of software being compared to cars.
[17:27] <snap-l> It's a stupid analogy, and it needs to stop
[17:31] <Wolfger> Everything that breaks down is hardware. :-p
[17:31] <Wolfger> software can be rewritten, but it doesn't wear out.
[17:32] <Wolfger> But yeah, the analogy needs to die. The Microsoft Car was funny, once, when Win95 was the gold standard (it hurt my brain to type that...)
[17:34] <dzho> software these days is only deterministic in a very limited sense.
[17:35] <dzho> and, it is very rare for one person to program all the code that a computer will run.
[17:35]  * dzho is thinking this might apply to some embedded systems, perhaps.
[17:36] <dzho> snap-l, Wolfger one is hard pressed to try to get some sort of understanding from non tech people though
[17:37] <dzho> and it's not like we can just ignore them, these days.
[17:37] <dzho> for one, some of them vote.
[17:39] <dzho> then again, I suppose the car analogy might have a deeper emotional resonance for bits of -us-mi than I otherwise would appreciate?
[18:01] <greg-g> rick_h_: do you know who has access to the coffeehousecoders twitter account? I ask so I can ask my second question (really my first) which is: Why don't you announce CHC via that channel also?
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: no, I'm not sure who has access. I'd have to check with someone in the irc channel and ask around
[18:02] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool, just curious
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: and since I don't know, I don't post. It is aggregated on the main site via the hash tag usually, but yea, it's not cool/official
[18:03]  * greg-g nods
[18:04] <snap-l> greg-g: FYI: I have your MUG invoice for 2012
[18:04] <snap-l> LMK if you want it. :)
[18:05] <greg-g> snap-l: :P
[18:05] <snap-l> Well, you never know. ;-)
[18:05] <greg-g> I'm already having a tough time figuring out who gets my donations this year
[18:06] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries
[18:08] <snap-l> I figure with greg-g++, it's probably going to get a little tigher around the wallet-line
[18:08] <greg-g> snap-l: a tad, yeah :)
[18:33] <_stink_> heh, greg-g++
[18:34] <ColonelPanic001> in reference to what?
[18:36] <Wolfger> that is apparently snap-l's nickname for the child process of greg-g
[18:39] <Wolfger> http://askubuntu.com/questions/85902/ubuntu-one-significantly-slower-than-dropbox
[18:40] <brousch> maybe it runs on an inferior cloud platform
[18:58] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/squeekyhoho/status/144852444839550978/photo/1
[18:59] <snap-l> Just got this in the mail
[18:59] <brousch> apple keyboard in the photo. EXTERMINATE
[19:03] <Wolfger> Heh.
[19:04] <Wolfger> Somebody sent me an Onion News video about the new Apple keyboardless laptop last night...
[19:04] <Wolfger> ...I thought to myself, "That's really not funny at all. It exists, and it's called an iPad"
[19:10] <greg-g> snap-l: awesome
[19:13] <snap-l> greg-g: Yah, and they used Dewey in their library. :)
[19:13] <snap-l> Noticed the sticker on the spine, and then noticed the sticker on the back cover.
[19:13] <greg-g> cool
[19:13] <snap-l> and thought to myself $6 for something from DEC's library is more than awesome.
[19:14] <greg-g> oh, you bought it?
[19:14] <snap-l> Yeah, on Amazon
[19:14] <greg-g> awesome!
[19:15] <snap-l> Cover is a little worse for wear, but knowing that folks at DEC pawed on it has a certain sense of history.
[19:15] <greg-g> :)
[19:18] <brousch> they dna is on your fingers now
[19:22] <brousch> lick your fingers and you will gain their powers
[19:22] <greg-g> mmmmm DEC juice
[19:28] <snap-l> So I'll make great tech that fails in the marketplace because of stupid licensing and pricing decisions?
[19:29] <snap-l> Oh well, I guess it's a start.
[19:32] <Wolfger> Would you rather make great tech that fails in the marketplace, or shoddy tech that succeeds?
[19:32] <Wolfger> (assuming you can't do both)
[19:32] <snap-l> Well, Microsoft has made quite a fortune making the latter. ;)
[19:37] <brousch> so is money or quality more important to you?
[19:42] <snap-l> quality is more important than money
[19:43] <brousch> obviously. otherwise you'd be in #fapple
[19:48] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opFXNDbxzvU
[19:49] <snap-l> Apparently the Death Magnetic sessions had some good songs
[19:50] <snap-l> Not sure why they decided to hold this back
[19:51] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mRQXRsQao
[19:52] <brousch> impossible. metallica has not had any good songs since 1991
[19:52] <snap-l> Seriously, WTF.
[19:53] <snap-l> The lyrics are a bit daft, but this is pretty decent
[19:56] <brousch> hetfield needs to get back on the drugs
[19:58] <snap-l> I'll never recommend a band go back on drugs just for my entertainment
[19:58] <snap-l> but, all the same, it sounds a hell of a lot better than what they pinched off for Death Magnetic.
[20:19] <snap-l> I <3 making a Makefile for my exit document (used RST)
[20:20] <greg-g> exit document?
[20:20] <snap-l> Oh, yeah, I haven't mentioned that, have I
[20:20] <snap-l> I'm leaving ALU, heading to Morpace
[20:21] <snap-l> Taking over for some guy named rick_h_
[20:21] <greg-g> isn't that...
[20:21] <greg-g> yeah, cool
[20:21] <greg-g> congrats!
[20:21] <snap-l> Thanks!
[20:21] <greg-g> (right?)
[20:21] <snap-l> Yeah, this is an improvement
[20:21] <brousch> sriously?!
[20:21] <snap-l> at least I'll have some direction
[20:21] <greg-g> awesome, congrats some more then :)
[20:21] <snap-l> Thanks!
[20:22] <snap-l> Looking forward to it
[20:22] <greg-g> so, when do you think you'll apply for a job with Launchpad?
[20:22] <brousch> that's great news!
[20:22] <rick_h_> we'll make a python dev of him yet :P
[20:22] <snap-l> shhhh, that's the second phase.
[20:22] <greg-g> :)
[20:22] <snap-l> Step 1: Become awesome like rick_h_
[20:22] <snap-l> Step 2: ...
[20:22] <rick_h_> I don't know, I'm nervous. Last time I recruited from in channel to replace me it went badly
[20:22] <snap-l> Step 3: Canonical
[20:23] <brousch> i thought ColonelPanic001 was recruited that way
[20:23] <rick_h_> brousch: yes
[20:23] <rick_h_> and widox
[20:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: Don't worry. I won't blame you if it goes pear-shaped.
[20:23] <rick_h_> though I guess everyone made out ok in the end
[20:23] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[20:23] <snap-l> I have that luck as well, where when I leave somewhere, everything goes pear-shaped
[20:24] <ColonelPanic001> oh, yeah. I was. See? Bad method.
[20:24] <snap-l> either I'm the glue that keeps things together, or I'm the catalyst.
[20:24] <snap-l> not entirely sure.
[20:25] <brousch> you're irreplacable
[20:26] <rick_h_> I always think that at my places, but I keep getting replaced and they move on
[20:26] <rick_h_> my big head is getting crushed
[20:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Heh
[20:27] <widox> snap-l: congrats man!
[20:27] <greg-g> well, right after I left my old job, they got sued, so, I'm feeling OK about that :)
[20:27] <snap-l> I guess you'll have made it when you make it in the quarterly report they file with the SEC
[20:27] <widox> also, watch out for remanants of rick_h_ path! :p
[20:27] <snap-l> widox: Heh, should be all good
[20:28] <snap-l> PLanning on learning at the proverbial feet of the master
[20:28] <snap-l> but if I start running Arch and Awesome, someone fetch me a straight-jacket.
[20:28] <widox> at least we can keep hearing stories about the NC guy...
[20:29] <snap-l> hah, yeah
[20:29] <rick_h_> widox: I know right? CHC is going to be awkward "So...I saw that crap you did Rick, and I had to debug and fix that crazy a$$ @#$#@"
[20:29] <widox> they make me feel like a better developer :D
[20:29] <snap-l> I might need rick_h_'s coordinates.
[20:29] <snap-l> coordinates for the nukes he was going to unleash at NC.
[20:29] <rick_h_> I was going to say, you planning adjusting hte aiming points a bit NW?
[20:30] <snap-l> Heh, no.
[20:30] <snap-l> I know you did your best.
[20:33] <brousch> rick_h_'s stuff is all automated. it should be easy to jump in!
[20:33] <snap-l> make work
[20:33] <rick_h_> brousch: ummm, yea...that's it
[20:33] <snap-l> make: *** No rule to make target `work'.   No fabric. ;)
[20:35] <rick_h_> but but but...fabric is cool, I'm a committer :)
[20:38] <brousch> snap-l: move all of the pyramid stuff to django
[20:38] <Blazeix> I hear ASP.NET is the Way Forward.
[20:42] <snap-l> Blazeix: I thought we'd convert everything to J2EE, personally
[20:43] <snap-l> it's more enterprisey
[20:43] <snap-l> Even says "Enterprise"
[20:43] <brousch> then you can dump vim and move to eclipse too!
[20:44] <snap-l> It's a win win win win win
[20:44] <snap-l> WINNING!
[20:45] <Blazeix> if you use J2EE, you can integrate directly with ColdFusion. There's really no reason not too.
[20:45] <snap-l> God, it just gets better and better
[20:46] <snap-l> Next you'll tell me that I can use JBoss OR Tomcat
[20:46] <snap-l> Or even WebSphere.
[21:00] <brousch> Google Nexus released in Canada.  Apparently there was another shooting at VaTech
[21:02] <snap-l> http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/reports-of-shots-fired-at-virginia-tech/?hpt=hp_t3
[21:04] <_stink_> yeah
[21:04] <_stink_> been following that
[21:04] <_stink_> sad
[21:14] <snap-l> http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/usethefarce2.jpg
[21:33] <snap-l> Sent my roles / responsibilities to my current boss
[21:34] <_stink_> any easter eggs?
[21:34] <snap-l> he told me to keep going on the list. I told him "That's pretty much it".
[21:34] <snap-l> Of course. :)
[21:34] <brousch> snap-l: when are you outtie?
[21:34] <snap-l> Not entirely sure, but I startie next year.
[21:35] <snap-l> Eclipse / JAX-WS / Axis2 / Tomcat / Java - For reviewing documentation and running example code
[21:35] <snap-l> Instructions included. Batteries not included.
[21:36] <brousch> ouch
[21:46] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, fun stuff
[21:47] <brousch> now you'll be a python dev! that is very exciting
[21:47] <snap-l> At least it's not Java. :)
[21:52] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l got a new job? Congrats
[21:52] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Thanks!
[21:52] <ColonelPanic001> anywhere I've heard of?
[21:53] <snap-l> Heard of Morpace?
[21:53] <ColonelPanic001> isn't that where Rick is?
[21:53] <snap-l> Was
[21:53] <ColonelPanic001> ah, right
[21:53] <ColonelPanic001> are you a new Rick?
[21:53] <snap-l> Si
[21:54] <snap-l> Rick in training
[21:54] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[21:54] <ColonelPanic001> I've been a rick in training, it's not too bad
[21:57] <snap-l> Doing a pre-flight of a holiday OMC
[21:57] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[21:57] <greg-g> snap-l: you should check out the somaFM christmas stations, there's surpisingly some good stuff on there
[21:57] <ColonelPanic001> I kind of want to get a car radio that takes USB so I can listen to podcasts/music in the car. OMC was one of them
[21:58] <snap-l> greg-g: You'll understand when you hear the intro to this episode why I might not heed those words. :)
[21:59] <greg-g> oh man, did I just get slammed?
[21:59] <snap-l> No, not really
[22:00] <snap-l> OK, quick poll: When should I release this episode? Tomorrow, or Next Friday?
[22:05] <ColonelPanic001> Friday
[22:05] <greg-g> hmmm


[01:36] <UbuN2> hello could ubuntu touch work on a samsung galaxy s6 edge plus
[02:24] <RMJ> Anyone got OTA8 yet?
[03:23] <nhaines> RMJ: OTA-8 will start phasing in tomorrow.
[03:24] <RMJ> ok thx, I'll stop trying on my Nexus 4 till then!
[03:25] <nhaines> RMJ: a sound policy to retain sanity.  :)
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <garro_> Hi. I have a problem with the browser app. It doesn't start. Can someone help me to solve this?
[08:30] <zzarr> good morning, my phone (Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition) can't find OTA-8
[08:37] <pandatrone> zzarr, :'(
[08:39] <zzarr> I hope it's released to day, I know that a batch of phones are selected for update at random ever so often (meaning I don't know the interval)
[08:40] <EdwardMorbius> morning, is OTA-8 live? I dont see an announcement on the mailing list.
[08:41] <garro> Hi! I have a problem with the browser app for ubuntu Touch. My problem is similar to this "http://askubuntu.com/questions/692369/reinstall-browser"
[08:43] <garro> can someone help me?
[09:03] <garro>  Hi! I have a problem with the browser app for ubuntu Touch. My problem is similar to this "http://askubuntu.com/questions/692369/reinstall-browser"
[09:03] <garro> Can anyone help me?
[09:05] <EdwardMorbius> garro factory reset maybe? I hope one of the developers can help you more
[09:06] <garro> it's a bit annoying... If there were someway to reinstall only the browser app I would prefere
[09:08] <EdwardMorbius> garro cant help you with that unfortunately, developers should know more, since the browser is part of system image reinstalling it would probably require making the image rw but I am just speculating.
[09:11] <garro> I frequently use the mount command with the remount rw option to get the image temporarly rw, so I think this is not a problem...
[09:12] <garro> anyway
[09:12] <garro> thank you Edward
[09:13] <EdwardMorbius> garro you are welcome, I hope your question will get answered by someone here that is more knowledgeable
[09:13] <EdwardMorbius> having a glitch now with the updates, says connect to the Internet even though I am connected and browser opens websites normally.
[09:16] <tvoss> mardy, would you mind proposing: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/last-known-position-15.04
[09:17] <mardy> tvoss: sure
[09:18] <tvoss> mardy, great, thx
[09:21] <mardy> tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/last-known-position-15.04/+merge/277960
[09:22] <tvoss> mardy, ack and thx
[09:27] <faenil> jgdx: what do you mean?
[09:33] <tvoss> mardy, three minor niggles that occured to me only now :)
[09:35] <zzarr> any info on any delay of OTA-8?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: not available yet on my bq 4.5 here
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> still waiting
[09:37] <EdwardMorbius> lotuspsychje waiting as well
[09:38] <mardy> tvoss: about the s/reference/last_known/ change, I'll apply that to velocity and heading too, right?
[09:38] <tvoss> mardy, yup
[09:41] <zzarr> lotuspsychje, in that case I'll have to wait more I guess
[09:42] <jibel> how do I enable developer mode from the terminal? I cannot do it from the UI on devel-proposed
[09:42] <jibel> I tried android-gadget-service enable adb but it doesn't seem to be it
[09:43] <mardy> tvoss: should I change it everywhere? even on the provider interface (on_reference_location_updated() and similars)?
[09:43] <mardy> I guess that would require rebuilding the espoo provider
[09:51] <pandatrone> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16829.html
[09:51] <pandatrone> It seems the OTA-8 date will be moved one day later as mentioned in my
[09:51] <pandatrone> previous e-mails. The main reason is a translation regression that
[09:51] <pandatrone> happened with us noticing too late, reverting some strings in the unity8
[09:51] <pandatrone> translations [1]. We had to upload new langpacks to the snapshot and
[09:51] <pandatrone> re-create an image, without pulling in any of the recent archive
[09:51] <pandatrone> changes. Expect the update released tomorrow.
[09:51] <pandatrone> oh s##
[09:52] <mardy> pandatrone: better this than some private e-mail :-)
[09:53] <pandatrone> yeah :D
[10:02] <tvoss> mardy, let's confine the change to the engine for now. I think we should do a coordinated landing of breaking changes beginning of next week
[10:04] <mardy> tvoss: OK. I'm rebuilding the project, will push soon
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Use Less Stuff Day! 😃
[10:19] <mardy> tvoss: MP updated
[10:20] <mardy> tvoss: so, what do you think about having a provider querying the google-location-service API, which could be configured to work with either google or mozilla (the API is essentially the same)?
[10:44] <Mirv> mardy: sorry I've noticed you've been very busy with various landings lately, but just a reminder that there's also the ticket https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/649 if you have to time to test + mark it for ready for publishing. no hurry though, there's a long time until OTA-9 and I don't have other qtdeclarative landings right at the moment.
[10:46] <mardy> Mirv: I tested it several days ago; if you haven't changed anything since then, then I'll mark it as ready
[10:46] <mardy> Mirv: "mark it ready" = "set status to QA granted"?
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: ah! "Ready for QA"
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: QA != you, QA == QA team :) so they'll check it next.
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: and yes the status options are confusing, there's a bug about it
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: then QA will change to to Granted if they agree
[10:49] <mardy> Mirv: ok, I'll set it as ready for qa then :-)
[10:50] <Mirv> mardy: thanks! :)
[10:50] <Mirv> now it's on their radar
[10:55] <pandatrone> putin has great radars
[11:43] <jgdx> faenil, I forgot…
[11:45] <faenil> jgdx: :D
[13:52] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, the migration script removal from all the webapps, those branches are still waiting review
[13:52] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, silo 38
[13:52] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[13:52] <alex-abreu> kenvandine, are they ? ... ok I'll have a look at them today
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:52] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm nagging alex-abreu :)
[13:53] <seb128> ;-)
[13:53] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, thanks
[13:53] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, those scripts are generating error reports
[13:53] <kenvandine> should be an easy landing... just a ton of branches to approve :)
[13:53] <alex-abreu> ack
[13:54] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, ugh... the silo needs to be reconfigured for xenial though
[13:54] <kenvandine> i'll do that and rebuilt
[13:54] <kenvandine> s/rebuilt/rebuild
[13:59] <Tom_> Hi everybody :)
[13:59] <jnxd> !isitoutyet
[14:00] <Guest37433> hi ?
[14:04] <Guest37433> hi ?
[14:05] <jnxd> is there any owncloud client for the ubuntu phone?
[14:08] <popey> not yet
[14:10] <Guest37433> Please, when i add music on my phone (E5), why it doesn't appear in music app ?
[14:14] <jgdx> Guest37433, where do you add it? I think there's a set of search paths defined.
[14:14] <Guest37433> I add from my desktop computer
[14:14] <Guest37433> by USB
[14:15] <jgdx> Guest37433, to what folder on your phone
[14:15] <Guest37433> ( sorry for my english, i'm french :p )
[14:15] <Guest37433> in /home/phablet/Music
[14:16] <Guest37433> but my file manager doesn't see files few since day
[14:17] <Guest37433> so, in terminal, i see with a 'ls' cmd, my music is on my phone
[14:17] <Guest37433> but my music app doesn't read my new files. :/
[14:18] <jgdx> maybe it's an unrecognized file format? In any case, check the log /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.log
[14:19] <Guest37433> same format, there is many files
[14:20] <Guest37433> i don't know if the permissions of files can create problems with the music app ?
[14:20] <Guest37433> maybe another app changed my permissions files ?
[14:22] <Guest37433> what the log can learn to me ?
[14:22] <Guest37433> ( noob in the place... :) )
[14:23] <Guest37433> mh, there is something strange in log file
[14:24] <Guest37433> like 'runtime_error' about the Mediiascanner service
[14:27] <Guest37433> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
[14:29] <Guest37433> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'   what():  UNIQUE constraint failed: media_attic.id
[14:31] <BOHverkill> Guest37433: try that
[14:31] <BOHverkill> stop mediascanner-2.0
[14:32] <BOHverkill>  rm ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db
[14:32] <BOHverkill>  start mediascanner-2.0
[14:32] <BOHverkill> then wait till the scanning process is finished
[14:32] <BOHverkill> (for example you can tail the log)
[14:35] <Guest37433> thanks very much :)
[14:35] <Guest37433> maybe you can explain why the bug appears ,
[14:35] <Guest37433> ?*
[14:35] <BOHverkill> i do not know
[14:35] <BOHverkill> had the same problem
[14:36] <Guest37433> mh...
[14:36] <BOHverkill> i looks like the database is corrupt
[14:37] <Guest37433> i was thinking my file manager will detect new files but not
[14:37] <Guest37433> i need to do the same thing for the log of the terminal ?
[14:38] <tvoss> mardy, around?
[14:49] <kaie> Hello. vegetahd (BQ E5) with rc-proposed/bq-aquaris channel. How can I enable "adb"? I found howtos to flash to a different channel, but I don't understand how I can enable adb, without going to a devel channel.
[14:49] <kaie> (I tried to flash the devel channel, but with that, my device was stuck at the white BQ screen forever. I flashed back to rc-proposed)
[14:57] <jibel> kaie, you can enable adb from system-settings / about this phone / developer mode and switch on developer mode
[15:29] <kaie> jibel, thanks, but I had tried that and failed. I have dev mode enabled, I have an udev rule, but adb devices still doesn't list anything.
[15:30] <kaie> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="2a47", MODE="0666", SYSFS{idProduct}=="*"
[15:32] <kaie> 14.04 LTS system
[15:37] <kaie> ok sorry. it works now. I have no idea why it didn't work yesterday.
[16:22] <alex-abreu> kenvandine, I acked the webapps branches in silo 38
[16:23] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, thx
[16:49] <mterry> mpt, did you ever see my email about my latest flash animation work?  I wanted feedback on the timing costs for the progress bar
[17:08] <jnxd> I guess I asked this earlier too, but how to update apps through the adb? I can't access internet properly since it doesn't work well with proxies. I was able to update to OTA-8, but apps remain the same.
[17:32] <lotus|xenial> nice job on OTA8 devs!!!
[17:32] <lotus|xenial> my scope freeze issue dissapread on it bq 4.5
[17:34] <lotus|xenial> you guys are rocknroll
[17:55] <drwd> Hello, can anyone help me?
[18:06] <bogdantoday> @sil2100 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes "OTA-8" link pointing to OTA-7 changelog
[18:07] <studio_> hi
[18:07]  * bogdantoday slaps sil2100 around a bit with a large fishbot
[18:08] <studio_> i was reading about ota-8, sip is still not supported?
[18:08] <popey> correct studio_
[18:08] <studio_> why?
[18:09] <sil2100> !
[18:09] <popey> bogdantoday, fixed, thanks
[18:09] <sil2100> bogdantoday: thanks!
[18:09] <popey> sil2100, fixed
[18:09] <popey> :)
[18:09] <sil2100> Evil copy-typo
[18:09] <sil2100> popey: thanks :)
[18:09] <popey> studio_, because nobody has developed a sip client
[18:09] <bogdantoday> no prob)
[18:09] <popey> studio_, feel free to develop one.
[18:09] <studio_> what about external m3u, are thy now supported?
[18:10] <popey> updated playlist support isn't in OTA-6, that's coming later I believe.
[18:11] <studio_> popey, sorry, i am just a user, how can i enable sip-support in ubuntu-touch?
[18:11] <popey> studio_, pay someone else to develop the app?
[18:11] <studio_> who?
[18:11] <popey> a developer :)
[18:12] <studio_> popey, hoe much do you need? ;)
[18:12] <popey> I'm not a developer :)
[18:12] <studio_> ok :)
[18:13] <popey> http://sipcmd.sourceforge.net/
[18:13] <popey> port that :)
[18:14] <studio_> what about the accu, are the "drivers" depending on the os (kernel)?, because the new 5.0 from bq can handle it more fine that the old lollipop ...
[18:15] <popey> accu?
[18:15] <studio_> accumulator, wrong englich word?
[18:16] <ahayzen> accelerometer ?
[18:17] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>uname -a
[18:17] <popey> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.67 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 09:14:30 UTC 2015 869191d armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[18:17] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>uname -a
[18:17] <popey> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.67 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 21 10:53:55 UTC 2015 736d127 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[18:17] <popey> looks like OTA-7 and OTA-8 have the same kernel on our side
[18:17] <popey> maybe a patch here or there, but most of the work happens in userspace.
[18:18] <popey> But no, probably not worth you switching back from Android studio_, as I doubt we have met your requirements.
[18:19] <studio_> will ota-9 be worth?
[18:21] <popey> Dunno, not sure exactly what's in OTA-9 yet.
[18:22] <lotus|xenial> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-already-got-a-new-web-browser-app-thai-font-support-496254.shtml
[18:22] <studio_> popey, was reading ota-9 will be out in 2016. Is that correct?
[18:22] <popey> first week, yeah
[18:22] <popey> well, first few weeks
[18:24] <studio_> popey, sorry, why the ubuntu-touch device can't handle the same as an RPI2 with Ubuntu-Mate?
[18:24] <popey> It probably could if someone made an image for it.
[18:24] <popey> The Ubuntu MATE RPI2 image is a community port.
[18:25] <studio_> who do you mean with "someone"?
[18:26] <popey> someone = anyone
[18:26] <studio_> is "anyone" sitting on the sources?
[18:27] <popey> I don't know, you'd need to ask everyone.
[18:27] <popey> I'm just saying, nobody has done it, someone could, if they had the time or inclination.
[18:27] <studio_> i asked at mtk, but never got an answer ...
[18:28] <popey> mtk? for rpi?
[18:28] <popey> pi is broadcom, not mtk
[18:28] <studio_> bcm is "more" open source
[18:31] <studio_> i do not understand, that mtk is not publishing new blobs for a newer kernel, as i understood, we are on 4.2.x ...
[18:34] <popey> our device isn't on 4.2
[18:34] <popey> it's on 3.4.67
[18:35] <studio_> popey, 3.4.67 is from 2013, right?
[18:36] <popey> I don't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of kernel versions and their dates, but yes, that seems about right
[18:36] <studio_> kernel.org
[18:36] <popey> Indeed
[18:36] <popey> I hear some people still run 2.6! O_O
[18:36] <studio_> so?
[18:37] <studio_> is that "Ubuntu"?
[18:37] <popey> Are we going to have this conversation _again_?
[18:37] <lotus|xenial> studio_: try ##kernel
[18:38] <studio_> did we ever had an "conversation" about kernel updates?
[18:39] <studio_> i mean on "Ubuntu-Touch"?
[18:39] <lotus|xenial> studio_: what are you trying to achieve here?
[18:39] <popey> Yeah, more than once. Never mind.
[18:40] <popey> You know we're locked into the kernels we run due to the Android drivers for things like gps, radios etc.
[18:40] <popey> You know that.
[18:40] <k1l_> studio_: you cant compare PC kernel updates with other architectures kernel updates due to the drivers issues.
[18:40] <studio_> popey, try "find" ...
[18:40] <popey> studio_, it would be interesting to see Ubuntu with Mir / Unity8 on the RPI2
[18:41] <popey> But I fear we may have issues with the GPU drivers for Mir, I don't know, not tried.
[18:41] <popey> Could be a fun project for someone.
[18:41] <studio_> k1l_, what ever you say ...
[18:42] <studio_> k1l_, do you now own an ubuntu-touch device, if yes, what device?
[18:44] <k1l_> studio_: i did not buy a ubuntu-touch pre installed device. but i own a nexus4
[18:45] <studio_> is it in "production"? if yes, how?
[18:49] <k1l_> studio_: it was some time.
[18:50] <studio_> it was some time?
[18:50] <studio_> what does that mean?
[18:51] <popey> he bought it a while ago
[18:51] <popey> "some time ago"
[18:51] <studio_> *lol*
[18:51] <k1l_> studio_: it was broken at some point and i needed a new one. now i own a nexus 6 which is not capable of running ubuntu-touch
[18:52] <studio_> so he never "used" ubuntu-touch?
[18:52] <k1l_> i repaired the n4 and have again flashed ubuntu-touch on it, but its not my daily phone.
[18:52] <k1l_> studio_: sure i did
[18:52] <studio_> k1l_, in what?
[18:55] <studio_> k1l_, in what did you used ubuntu-touch in a productive system?
[18:55] <popey> he said, a nexus 4
[18:56] <studio_> no, he said he used an nexux 4, but for what?
[18:56] <lotus|xenial> to phone?
[18:56] <studio_> *lol*
[18:56] <k1l_> studio_: i dont get what you are after now.
[18:59] <studio_> k1l_, simple question, how did you used your nexus 4 for a productive environment?
[19:00] <k1l_> i used my nexus 4 flashed with ubuntu-touch for my daily usage of a smartphone once.
[19:00] <k1l_> sms, make phonecalls, browse the internet, play some silly games, use social networks,.. things people do on a smartphone.
[19:00] <studio_> so you never used a "productive environment"?
[19:01] <k1l_> only real bugger is that there is still no whatsapp, since i still got a lot of people around me using it. but after i did not answer they did send me emails or used telegram or sms.
[19:02] <k1l_> studio_: define "productive enviroment"
[19:02] <lotus|xenial> k1l_: telegram got a nice update recently
[19:03] <lotus|xenial> k1l_: http://news.softpedia.com/news/major-telegram-update-arrives-for-ubuntu-phones-496347.shtml
[19:03] <k1l_> yeah, saw that.
[19:03] <studio_> k1l_, for what are you using your PC/notebobook, for "productive environment"? if you understand that, you'll understand "productive environment"
[19:04] <k1l_> i just saw jolla got serious financial issues, sad to see its that hard to compete in the phone business against the big 2 and a half.
[19:04] <lotus|xenial> studio_: how about you explain what you wanna start doing with an ubuntu-touch device specificly
[19:04] <k1l_> studio_: so you mean the convergance as productive enviroment?
[19:05] <k1l_> studio_: i dont see anyone having guaranteed you that when you bought your android phone.
[19:05] <studio_> lotus|xenial, i was not the guy who was crying ubuntu-touch is ubintu ...
[19:05] <lotus|xenial> ?
[19:05] <studio_> lotus|xenial, i was not the guy who was crying ubuntu-touch is ubuntu ...
[19:05] <lotus|xenial> nobody cryed here
[19:06] <lotus|xenial> studio_: what are you talking about?
[19:06] <studio_> lotus|xenial, so who told ubuntu-touch is  ubuntu?
[19:06] <lotus|xenial> studio_: you tell us..
[19:07] <studio_> not us, check the logs
[19:07] <dobey> oh ffs
[19:07] <dobey> not this again
[19:07] <dobey> studio_: stop
[19:07] <studio_> haha :)
[19:07] <davmor2> dobey: ban yourself it will be easier
[19:08] <k1l_> studio_: so i played this game now long enough. do you have anything constructive to contribute?
[19:09] <dobey> k1l_: i think the answer to that is rather obvious :-/
[19:09] <k1l_> dobey: well, hope dies last
[19:09] <studio_> k1l_, i asked you, and i am still missing your answer ...
[19:10] <davmor2> studio_: and k1l_ answered you, he use his smartphone as a smartphone because it is a smartphone
[19:10] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:10] <dobey> k1l_: sometimes one must just put it out of its misery
[19:11] <k1l_> studio_: the productive usage of a smartphone is pretty clear. and i do that.
[19:11] <dobey> you can play doom on an ubuntu phone
[19:12] <dobey> obviously there is nothing more that one would need
[19:12] <k1l_> studio_: there is a convergance phone to come next year. what about you buy that and help the development on that instead of buying android phones and blackmailing the ubuntu developers all the time?
[19:12] <davmor2> dobey: apparently not well if you are trying to video it with the other hand hey popey ;)
[19:12] <studio_> davmor2, for what did  k1l_ used his phone? i asked for "productive environment "
[19:13] <lotus|xenial> this is like a labyrinth
[19:13] <dobey> lotus|xenial: nah, even labyrinths have an exit
[19:13] <lotus|xenial> :p
[19:13] <k1l_> studio_: define productive environment
[19:13] <k1l_> studio_: i listed already what i do with my phone.
[19:14] <dobey> my phone makes toast
[19:14] <lotus|xenial> and mine plays gitarre
[19:14] <studio_> "productive environment " for exp. "instabus"
[19:15] <dobey> is that the man on the Clapham omnibus?
[19:16] <studio_> "productive environment " for exp. "exchange-server"
[19:16] <dobey> lol
[19:16] <dobey> you've obviously never used exchange
[19:16] <studio_> "productive environment " for exp. sync your pc with your phone
[19:17] <dobey> studio == @1990slinuxguy
[19:17] <studio_> do you need more examples?
[19:17] <dobey> you can do all of those things today
[19:18] <studio_> dobey, i think you are a developer, right?
[19:19] <davmor2> studio_: no dobey is an awesome developer, he is also a busy one too, so please don't waste his time
[19:19] <dobey> because i'm not trying to run an exchange server on my phone?
[19:19] <dobey> i know thousands of people, and so far, i can't think of anyone of them who has ever wanted to run an exchange server on their phone
[19:20] <k1l_> running a server on the phone is silly. you want a server to run a server.
[19:20] <popey> studio_, I think we know where you're going with this - basically, ubuntu phone can't connect to an exchange server, therefore it's not a good platform.
[19:20] <popey> Essentially.
[19:20] <dobey> why can't it connect to an exchange server?
[19:21] <popey> proprietary undocumented protocols
[19:21] <davmor2> dobey: because none of the apps do yet
[19:21] <popey> Which is an opinion you're entitled to have, but it's pretty painful watching you dance around this, wasting everyones time.
[19:21] <davmor2> dobey: if the exchange server supports imap you can connect via that
[19:22] <studio_> davmor2, so for what dobey is developing for something, that nobody is using?
[19:22] <k1l_> therefor i go and make some sports now, seems more like a productive enviroment to me
[19:22] <dobey> there's some evolution stuff you can use to at least sync calendar and contacts to an exchange server on the phone, if you really want to go down the road of trying to make it work
[19:23] <studio_> dobey, what is the evolution, mir or wayland?
[19:23] <dobey> millions of people are using software i wrote
[19:24] <dobey> or even billions maybe
[19:24] <studio_> dobey, ok, but what is the way, mir or wayland?
[19:25] <davmor2> studio_: any evolution stuff is cli based
[19:25] <dobey> huh?
[19:26] <studio_> sorry, what means cli?
[19:26] <dobey> some passage says "the way to hell is paved with good intentions"
[19:26] <davmor2> studio_: the evolution stuff dobey is on about is command line Interface based
[19:27] <dobey> the buddha says the way to enlightenment is through isolation
[19:28] <davmor2> dobey: google says search here and you're questions shall be answered.  I don't believe them either :D
[19:28] <lotus|xenial> a budhist goes to a hotdog vender and asks: *make me 'one' with everything!
[19:28] <OerHeks> Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present OTA-8, says Buddha.
[19:28] <OerHeks> is there a Buddha app yet?
[19:29] <lotus|xenial> maybe studio_ is the one
[19:29] <studio_> davmor2, where can i read about CLI, i am a bit confused about that in the moment ...
[19:29] <dobey> lol, now he doesn't know how to use the command line?
[19:30] <dobey> after all the complaints about apt-get and wanting to run various servers on a phone
[19:30] <dobey> go troll elsewhere please
[19:30] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: i use the 'relax' app to goto higher spheres :p
[19:31] <dobey> is that a mail order peyote service?
[19:31] <davmor2> lotus|xenial: I used step ladders to get to higher spheres it's much easier than relaxing
[19:32] <lotus|xenial> davmor2: :p
[19:37] <studio_> dobey, i am sorry about to understand you here in "ubunt-touch". you do not like to use a writeable system with aptitude or apt-get update / upgrade. we are talking about mir/wayland, xmir is still not supported, so what do you tell me? i am yust a "normal" user ...
[19:38] <dobey> no we are not talking about mir/wayland
[19:38] <studio_> sure
[19:38] <dobey> there is no such thing as a normal user, and even if there were, you certainly are not it
[19:39] <studio_> dobey, is ubuntu-touch supporting systemd?
[19:39] <studio_> if yes on what device?
[19:40] <dobey> no
[19:41] <dobey> the phone is still using upstart right now
[19:41] <dobey> but again, what has that got to do with anything?
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> hey
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> can somebody help with git install
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> i am getting an error
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> whole running sudo apt-get install git-all
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> ???
[19:44] <davmor2> dprophecyguy: on ubuntu touch
[19:44] <dobey> dprophecyguy: don't. apt is not supported
[19:44] <dprophecyguy> on ubuntu  15.04
[19:44] <dobey> oh if it's not on a phone, you want #ubuntu for support :)
[19:45] <dprophecyguy> okay
[19:45] <dprophecyguy> thanks
[19:45] <davmor2> dprophecyguy: this is a channel for phone related stuff, you'll want to ask on #ubuntu
[19:45] <dobey> but on a phone, apt is not supported
[19:45] <davmor2> dobey: man you type fast
[19:46] <studio_> ok, k1l_ did made an withdrawn, after i askek him about "productive environment ", but please, is anybody here using the ubuntu-touch device i an productive environment system?
[19:46] <dobey> davmor2: an awesome developer must be light on one's fingers
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: stop.
[19:47] <studio_> dobey, stop is the wrong answer!
[19:47] <dobey> ubuntu phones have been in production for almost a year.
[19:47] <dobey> your disagreement with what is available or how you wish to use such a device, has nothing to do with a "productive environment"
[19:48] <dobey> frankly, you are creating an unproductive environment by coming in here and spewing your vitriol
[19:48] <davmor2> dobey: oh that's such a nice word :)
[19:49] <dobey> :)
[19:49] <OerHeks> any answer to studio_  gives 2 more questions :-D
[19:49] <studio_> dobey, maybe  a missunderstanding, i do not mean "in production"", i mean in "productive environment" ...
[19:49] <dobey> studio_: it's a phone. it makes phone calls. it is by definition fulfilling its purpose, and thus productive
[19:50] <dobey> studio_: you however, are not productive
[19:50] <studio_> dobey, you missed the point
[19:50] <davmor2> studio_: there are 1000's of people using it daily as their main phone. so yes people use it in a productive environment daily
[19:51] <dobey> of all the points in this channel, it is not i who is missing them
[19:52] <studio_> davmor2, there are 1000's who reflash their ubuntu-Touch devices back to Android 5.0, have you ever seen that?
[19:52] <popey> studio_, I use multiple ubuntu phones in my productive environment
[19:53] <davmor2> studio_: No
[19:53] <popey> I see six devices from where I'm sat.
[19:53] <davmor2> popey: light weight
[19:53] <popey> hah.
[19:53] <dobey> davmor2: but studio_ has done so a 1000 times
[19:54] <dobey> android 5 is so last week though
[19:54] <popey> studio_, there are thousands of people who use Ubuntu on their phone and have not switched back to Android, we know this.
[19:54] <dobey> all the cool kids are using 6 on the nexus 5x
[19:54] <popey> because we switch the camera on periodically to watch them
[19:54] <popey> (we don't really, but it's a fun idea)
[19:54] <dobey> hahaha
[19:54]  * Stskeeps tells phoronix
[19:54] <popey> hah!
[19:55]  * lotus|xenial is never going back to android
[19:55] <popey> never say never :)
[19:55] <studio_> popey, how do you use your ubuntu-touch device in an "productive environment" ? For exp. how do you sync your e-Mails from the device with you computer/laptop?
[19:56] <dobey> well, when google buys canonical and renames ubuntu phone to android
[19:56] <popey> studio_, I connect my mail client on my phone to my server via imap
[19:56] <popey> studio_, i use webmail on my laptop. so they're in sync
[19:56] <dobey> srsly nobody "syncs" e-mails any more
[19:56] <dobey> this isn't 2002
[19:56] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:56] <popey> Well, you could run Mutt on the phone if you want.
[19:56] <studio_> popey, come on, how do you use gpg?
[19:57] <popey> I don't.
[19:57] <dobey> mutt supports imap
[19:57] <popey> I haven't used GPG for years
[19:57] <popey> Because nobody I ever email uses it.
[19:57] <jibel> ah, no lotus notes for Ubuntu phone, so disappointed :(
[19:57] <popey> \o/ Domino!
[19:57] <davmor2> jibel: hahaha
[19:57] <dobey> if you want gpg in dekko, go to #dekko and help them implement a reasonable user experience for it
[19:57] <popey> I said "Wow, people still use domino?" to an IBMer recently, he was _really_ offended.
[19:57] <studio_> so you still send e-mail like an postcard?
[19:57] <popey> "YES!" he protested
[19:58] <popey> studio_, no, because I use TLS
[19:58] <dobey> no, you can't lace e-mails with anthrax
[19:58] <studio_> popey, why the update from the device is working over gpg?
[19:58] <popey> I don't telnet to the imap server and type out imap commands to it
[19:58] <dobey> the phone uses gpg just fine
[19:58] <popey> studio_, I don't understand your question
[19:59] <popey> it works well, except... that one time...
[19:59] <dobey> there's a gpg key for the app store
[19:59] <studio_> popey, you know what gpg is and for what it is used?
[20:00] <popey> Of course I do
[20:00] <popey> Just because I choose not to use it, doesn't make my phone use any less valid.
[20:00] <popey> My mum never uses GPG either
[20:00] <popey> Neither does _anyone_ I regularly send emails to.
[20:00] <studio_> so you never made an update on your device?
[20:00] <popey> I said I don't use GPG for email.
[20:00] <popey> I press a button to update my device
[20:01] <studio_> updates are using gpg
[20:01] <popey> I don't care what it does underneath, it could be magic pixies for all I care
[20:01] <popey> Yes, I know.
[20:01] <davmor2> popey: GPG Grand Piano Gang?
[20:01] <davmor2> It's a classic group right?
[20:01] <popey> studio_, so, again, back to your question, yes, I use my phone in a productive environment
[20:01] <popey> which - this may be a shocker for you - differs from the way you use a phone.
[20:02]  * lpotter believes in magic pixies that update phones
[20:02] <popey> I hope you were sitting down for that revalation.
[20:02] <dobey> studio_: why are you still here?
[20:02] <dobey> studio_: aren't you using android 5.0?
[20:02] <davmor2> studio_: so do I, in fact my job is completely dependant on them
[20:02] <studio_> popey, what is you default email-client?
[20:02] <dobey> netcat
[20:02] <popey> Dekko.
[20:02] <dobey> best e-mail client evar
[20:02] <davmor2> dekko
[20:03] <dobey> i just have netcat running on port 25 and it dumps everything to /dev/null
[20:03] <studio_> can dekko handle smime or gpg?
[20:03] <dobey> you know the answer already
[20:03] <studio_> no?
[20:03] <davmor2> studio_: Not yet
[20:03] <dobey> this is not #dekko
[20:03] <popey> Patches welcome!
[20:03] <dobey> if you want to ask questions about dekko, i suggest you seek support from its developers
[20:04] <popey> I would love to see GPG support in dekko. That would be awesome.
[20:04] <popey> Maybe I'd use GPG more if it did, who knows.
[20:04] <davmor2> popey: don't make me laugh
[20:04] <studio_> so, popey, your company prescribing you to send emails like an postcard?
[20:05] <popey> I might, if it was made easy for normal people.
[20:05] <popey> studio_, again, I don't use GPG
[20:05] <popey> studio_, repeating it doesn't make it any more amusing
[20:05] <dobey> studio_: we don't use e-mail
[20:05] <dobey> studio_: we use RFC-1149 for sending messages
[20:05] <davmor2> dobey: is that carrier pigeon?
[20:05] <dobey> yes
[20:06] <davmor2> nice
[20:06] <studio_> popey, again, what is canoncial using to encrypt emails?
[20:06] <popey> studio_, that sounds like a question for the IS department
[20:06] <popey> I just read and write mails, I don't administer the servers
[20:06] <dobey> a proprietary corn feed from Monsanto
[20:07] <studio_> popey, what is IS department?
[20:07] <dobey> is totally how the RFC-1149 messages are encrypted
[20:07] <popey> Technical people
[20:07] <popey> Again, we don't have GPG support in Dekko, but it would be great if we did. Patches welcome studio_ !
[20:07] <dobey> e-mail is for suckers
[20:07] <lpotter> I prefer post-it notes folded into airplanes
[20:08] <studio_> popey, why isnn't thunderbird supported in ubuntu-touch?
[20:08] <popey> studio_, because it requires X
[20:08] <popey> Thunderbird _will_ be able to be used in the future.
[20:08] <lpotter> and an interface redesign
[20:08] <popey> But not a mobile UI - you'd need to ask Mozilla about that
[20:08] <popey> (Thunderbird is their project, not ours)
[20:08] <studio_> popey, why isn't xmir supported in ubuntu-touch?
[20:09] <davmor2> studio_: because it lacks a mobile interface, is x only and requires more space than the moon
[20:09] <dobey> studio_: why don't you read public announcements?
[20:09] <popey> studio_, because it's not finished
[20:09] <popey> studio_, it will be, soon enough.
[20:09] <studio_> ok
[20:10] <dobey> if you want to be notified of when certain features will be available, and on what devices, then subscribe to the mailing list and actually read the status/announcement e-mails about such things
[20:10] <popey> Ok, are we done with the bizarre questions for today?
[20:11] <dobey> popey: you know the moebius never ends
[20:11] <studio_> popey, why bizarre? :)
[20:11] <popey> studio_, s/bizarre/boring/
[20:11] <popey> maybe repetitive?
[20:11] <popey> Disruptive?
[20:11] <dobey> because you asked them 6 months ago, have been answered hundreds of times, and already know the answer
[20:11] <popey> Irritating?
[20:11] <davmor2> time wasting
[20:11] <popey> Rhetorical?
[20:12] <popey> Anyway, yes, enough now.
[20:12] <dobey> inflammatory
[20:12] <lpotter> amusing
[20:12] <studio_> boring is ubuntu touch compared to ubuntu ...
[20:12] <dobey> boring is what bores do
[20:13] <popey> you just reminded me of a joke I used to do when I was like 15
[20:13] <dobey> haha
[20:13] <lpotter> that's like comparing a cucumber to a pickle
[20:13] <popey> put index finger on arm of friend, rotate clockwise and anti-clockwise a few times
[20:13] <dobey> not at all
[20:13] <popey> friend looks up
[20:13] <popey> "Am I boring you?"
[20:14] <dobey> bores are also good for trepidation
[20:14] <dobey> which is something that sounds very pleasing right now
[20:14] <popey> studio_, so, see you in 6 weeks when we get to have this groundhog day again?
[20:14] <davmor2> I just thought they were wild pigs
[20:14] <dobey> that's a boar
[20:15] <dobey> which you strap to a board, to smoke and roast
[20:15] <davmor2> dobey: see there's my mistake
[20:15] <dobey> mmmmmmmm, ribs
[20:15] <studio_> popey, i am still nosy about the new bq convergence device :)
[20:16] <popey> That won't have GPG either.
[20:16] <dobey> then follow @bqreaders on twitter
[20:16] <dobey> and watch for them to announce it
[20:17] <dobey> pro tip: it won't be a traditional PC device either, because that's not what convergence is
[20:17] <studio_> dobey, is the RPI2 a "traditional PC device"?
[20:18] <dobey> no, it's a hacker toy
[20:18] <studio_> *lol*  :)
[20:19] <studio_> sorry, i use ubuntu-mate on it, not kali ...
[20:19] <dobey> sorry, i don't care :)
[20:19] <popey> \o/ Ubuntu MATE
[20:19] <dobey> it's not like we make kali
[20:20] <davmor2> dobey: you don't make mate either
[20:20] <dobey> but i'm not terribly big on the taste
[20:21] <dobey> i guess i'd have to get used to it, without burning my tongue
[20:21] <davmor2> dobey: no I like it myself but that was because the Argentinians spoilt me with some of theirs made correctly :)
[20:22] <popey> never had it
[20:22] <popey> keep getting told how amazing it is
[20:22] <popey> doesn't help that the bottled stuff is impossible to find over here
[20:22] <dobey> but i could totally go for some asado right now
[20:23] <davmor2> popey: think of is as somewhere between coffee and tea, Tea taste in coffee strength
[20:23] <popey> hm
[20:23] <popey> Will try at the next sprint.
[20:25] <davmor2> popey: you need the proper leaves though, I don't know what the bottled stuff is like as I have never had that, I keep thinking about buying a gourd and leaves off of amazon
[20:26]  * genii makes a note to try this asado stuff
[20:26] <BOHverkill> i think the ubuntu phone ota update system do not like me :( i get the update every time really late
[20:26] <popey> BOHverkill, define really late?
[20:26] <popey> Given it's only been ~3 hours
[20:27] <BOHverkill> but i want it now
[20:27] <popey> oooh I just got it!
[20:27] <BOHverkill> ;)
[20:27] <BOHverkill> grrrrrrrr
[20:27] <popey> haha, sucks to be you! :D
[20:27] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-202731.png
[20:27] <BOHverkill> :C
[20:27] <popey> check it out :)
[20:28] <davmor2> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gourd-Bombilla-drink-Yerba-Mate/dp/B001E1VXR8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447964773&sr=8-2&keywords=mate
[20:28] <dobey> i really need to set up an image server
[20:28] <dobey> what ever happened to tassadar?
[20:29] <popey> davmor2, I have that exact one on my amazon wishlist
[20:29] <davmor2> popey: I keep thinking about it :)  Maybe an xmas  pressie for me :)
[20:29] <popey> yeah, same
[20:34] <studio_> guys, first thank you for all new informations for today, but now i am also looking for a direct backup system for the ubuntu-touch device. Is autofs, rsync and incron also working on the ubuntu-touch device?
[20:37]  * lotus|xenial thinks only idle will help this case
[20:39] <studio_> lotus|xenial, it is not "allowed" to make the device writeable, so how to install autofs, rsync and incron in a "normal" ubuntu-touch device?
[20:40] <dobey> https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[20:41] <dobey> as i'm sure you've been pointed at plenty of times before
[20:42] <studio_> dobey, but the device needs to made writeable
[20:42] <dobey> no it doesn't
[20:42] <studio_> ino?
[20:42] <studio_> no?
[20:42] <dobey> read my answer there
[20:43] <dobey> the / partition does not need to be made writable to create and us a chroot in the home directory
[20:43]  * mcphail gazes adoringly at studio_. His stamina is electrifying
[20:43] <popey> You need to get out more
[20:44] <lotus|xenial> lol mcphail
[20:44] <popey> I'll let everyone figure out who that was aimed at
[20:44] <dobey> republicans, obviously
[20:44] <popey> studio_, my phone has rsync installed out of the box
[20:45] <popey> if they're simple binaries, just extract them from the archive (or build them somewhere else) and copy them onto the device
[20:46] <popey> thats what I did when I wanted ncdu on my phone
[20:46] <popey> copied the binary to ~/bin.
[20:46] <studio_> dobey, sorry i do not understand your link, i just want to "apt-get install" or "aptitude install" autofs rsync incron ...
[20:47] <mcphail> ha!
[20:47] <dobey> meh, it's still too early for me to go get pizza and beer and shoot things in the face
[20:47] <mcphail> brilliant...
[20:47] <dobey> studio_: then too bad
[20:48] <popey> studio_, it is "allowed" to make your phone writable
[20:48] <popey> it's _your_ device after all.
[20:48] <studio_> dobey, could you please explain me the "correct" way?
[20:48] <dobey> if you can't understand the simplest way to create a chroot container, then you probably shouldn't be running such things. but if you want to break your device feel free
[20:49] <dobey> don't come crying in here for support because you broke your device by doing what you were told would definitely break your device, though
[20:49] <studio_> i understood a chroot-container, but for what?
[20:49] <dobey> you want to run legacy tools on your phone
[20:49] <dobey> that is the best way to do it
[20:50] <dobey> it is exactly the same if you want to run said legacy tools on android, so don't go pulling that threatening crap about flashing android, because it's bollocks
[20:50] <studio_> so all is depending on android?
[20:50]  * mcphail is wiping tears of laughter
[20:51] <lotus|xenial> lol
[20:51] <popey> chill dobey
[20:51] <mcphail> studio_: do you ever holiday in Scotland? I have a bottle of malt with your name on it
[20:51] <dobey> popey: haha. chill is all i ever am
[20:52] <popey> hah
[20:52] <k1l_> dobey: you forgot the i in chilli ;p
[20:52] <popey> ubuntu n' chill
[20:52] <dobey> k1l_: i'm not a penguin
[20:53] <studio_> otus|xenial, popey, so you are happy to lunch another android based device? Or why the normal ubuntu/debian commands are not working?
[20:53] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPWLGmcTkU
[20:53] <dobey> what are you talking about android for?
[20:53] <lotus|xenial> i had lunch hours ago
[20:54] <studio_> dobey, stop spaming, i know nothing about adb!
[20:54] <popey> studio_, I don't know what you mean by "lunch" (I can guess you mean build or something, no idea)
[20:54] <dobey> wtf are you talking about?
[20:54] <dobey> i'm not hawaiian. i don't much care for spam
[20:55] <popey> studio_, create a chroot, build binaries in it, or in a pbuilder, or some other cross-build environment.
[20:55] <dobey> i never said anything about adb
[20:55] <dobey> sheesh
[20:55] <studio_> i asked a "simple" question but i got an advanced answer ... where was the problem?
[20:56] <popey> you asked a simple question which requires an advanced answer
[20:56] <dobey> the problem is you are a troll
[20:56] <popey> well, actually you got 3 answers
[20:56] <popey> but you're never happy with them
[20:56] <popey> so shall we call it a day for today?
[20:56] <popey> Come back in 6 weeks for another trolling session?
[20:56] <dobey> popey: i have no idea why you are still here :)
[20:56] <popey> I'm rebuilding dosbox and this passes the time
[20:57] <dobey> ah
[20:57] <studio_> popey, what was so advanced on autofs, rsync and incron ?
[20:57] <popey> I didnt say they were advanced
[20:57] <popey> I said the answer was
[20:57] <mcphail> I don't know if my bladder can take this
[20:57] <popey> chroot is a *bit* advanced
[20:57] <dobey> are autofs, rsync, or incron in the app store?
[20:57] <popey> The thing is, you're playing the _part_ of a user, but you're actually very technical.
[20:58] <lotus|xenial> mcphail: working directly on the nerv-system :p
[20:58] <popey> Which is why people call you a troll, because you're asking questions which you know the answer for, but are deliberately being a doofus to prove some kind of point.
[20:58] <mcphail> lotus|xenial: this channel is better than the telly
[20:58] <dobey> no. they are not. therefore any answer is advanced, becasue it is not "install it from the app store"
[20:58] <popey> It's mildly entertaining for a while. But gets boring quickly.
[20:58] <popey> You're way past that now.
[20:58] <popey> So I think maybe go, and come back another day (or not).
[20:58] <studio_> popey, for what do i need a chroot for autofs, rsync and incron on ubuntu-touch?
[20:58] <lotus|xenial> mcphail: lol this kind of 'entertainment' can get you to the nut house
[20:59] <popey> studio_, there are many guides to setting up chroots online
[20:59] <popey> I suspect I could find one very quickly.
[20:59] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[20:59] <popey> oh look
[20:59] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrossBuilding
[20:59] <studio_> popey, again, for what do i need a chroot for that?
[21:00] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12190.html
[21:00] <popey> it's _an_ option
[21:00] <popey> for building those tools
[21:00] <popey> or otherwise using apt in a confined area which won't break your phone
[21:00] <studio_> no, is it "ubuntu" or is it "ubuntu-touch"?
[21:00] <popey> enough
[21:01] <dobey> there is only zuul
[21:01] <lotus|xenial> lol thats long time ago zuul
[21:01] <dobey> zuulbuntu
[21:01] <lotus|xenial> finally :p
[21:01] <mcphail> aww
[21:01] <dobey> ikr
[21:01] <popey> mcphail, I'm a celeb is on now ;)
[21:01] <mcphail> :)
[21:02] <dobey> one sour kraut ruins it for all of germany
[21:02] <lotus|xenial> yeah i tought germans were advanced :p
[21:02] <popey> coincidentally dosbox finished building
[21:02] <mcphail> perfect timing
[21:02] <pmcgowan> omg you actually kicked him
[21:02] <popey> you mean, "finally" kicked him.
[21:02] <dobey> lotus|xenial: i hope he doesn't have a mercedes
[21:02] <lotus|xenial> pmcgowan: ota8 fixxed my scopes freeze :p
[21:03] <pmcgowan> sweet
[21:03]  * mcphail is getting OTA8!
[21:03] <pmcgowan> its a goody
[21:03] <lotus|xenial> nice job to you all!!
[21:03] <popey> pmcgowan, does OTA-8 have GPG email?
[21:03] <mcphail> Ta muchly dev people
[21:03] <lotus|xenial> popey: LOL
[21:03]  * genii makes sure popey gets a fresh mug of delicious coffee
[21:03]  * pmcgowan kicks popey
[21:04] <popey> :)
[21:04] <lotus|xenial> popey: look in #ubuntu
[21:04] <lotus|xenial> 22h04
[21:04] <popey> haha
[21:05] <popey> I'll cherish that.
 many thanks to "Alan Pope" and he can't declare where is the different between Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Touch!!!
[21:05] <lotus|xenial> he found a new channel to continue
[21:05] <popey> nah, he left
[21:05] <mcphail> popey: he's found your real identity! No more superhero for you
[21:06] <dobey> popey: that's one for the quotes page
[21:13] <k1l_> so, that was ragequit number ? from studio?
[21:14] <OerHeks> k1l_, yes, our favorite troll
[21:15]  * k1l_ awaits his rants now on the german ubuntu forums to show up.
[21:16] <svij> k1l_: yeah me too ;)
[21:16] <popey> sorry :(
[21:16] <dobey> http://ubuntu.de/
[21:16] <dobey> lol
[21:16] <svij> damn, wanted to some stuff for university and ended up watching popey and dobey playing with a troll…
[21:17] <svij> dobey: just for the record ;) https://ubuntuusers.de
[21:18] <k1l_> dobey: hehe. they had a link to ubuntuusers.de on their page some time ago.
[21:19] <popey> have you guys ever met studio? in "real" life?
[21:20] <OerHeks> .. if it is Mark Shuttleworth, yes :-D
[21:21] <svij> popey: nope
[21:22] <svij> he joined the german community in april this year
[21:22] <k1l_> popey: i think he hides somewhat
[21:23] <k1l_> he talked to me in pm some time a lot about cryptography and such. so i dont think he will want to appear in public
[21:25] <popey> Ok.
[21:27] <dobey> man, the fonts on that forum are really really bad for 4K
[21:28] <dobey> and that's me saying it, even
[21:40] <mcphail> Rebooted into OTA8 and I have that annoying white pixel in the top left corner. Why does it do that sometimes?
[21:42] <OerHeks> maybe one colour-cel in your screen is broken ..
[21:42] <popey> that's the tracking pixel ;)
[21:42] <mcphail> ooh -it has gone again. I can't be of interest :)
[21:45] <BOHverkill> "Software is up to date" - that is a lie :S
[21:47] <jgdx> phases!
[21:47] <jgdx> phasers to stun
[21:54] <BOHverkill> i hate phases
[21:56] <jgdx> BOHverkill, you can flash your phone with ota8 as of ~12 hours ago
[21:56] <BOHverkill> no
[21:57] <BOHverkill> i want just the update ^^
[21:57] <k1l_> updates updates updates updates
[21:57] <k1l_> gimme the updates :)
[21:57] <BOHverkill> :P
[21:58] <k1l_> iknowyourfeel.jpg ;p   the cm12.1 buildserver was down for 5 days :)
[21:58] <BOHverkill> sry i am just an inpatient persion
[22:15] <louisdk> Would it be possible to install Ubuntu Touch on the Aquaris E5 edition with 4G and 2GB ram? If one would flash the ubuntu touch image to it would it brick?
[22:32] <sverzegnassi> Could someone confirm this is an unwanted behaviour? On OTA-8, I launch 'Monster Wars', wait for the app to be launched, turn off the screen -> the app stops reproducing audio (the app has been freezed, I suppose).
[22:32] <sverzegnassi> If I launch 'Monster Wars' again, and turn off the screen before the app is fully loaded, the app keeps playing some audio even if the screen is turned off.
[22:33] <sverzegnassi> (Replace 'Monster Wars' with any app, just saw this while launching that game)
[22:34] <ahayzen> sverzegnassi, jhodapp maybe best to ask about that if its happening all the time
[22:37] <nhaines> Can anyone confirm this unwanted behavior on OTA-8?  I tried to send email not as a postcard, but GPG isn't supported yet so all email communication is impossible.
[22:38] <sverzegnassi> haha
[22:39] <ahayzen> nhaines, don't start that again ;-)
[22:40] <sverzegnassi> ahayzen, thanks for pinging! actually it seems to happen all the time... hope it's just about media-hub ;)
[22:40] <ahayzen> :-)
[23:13] <popey> Elleo, do you know of some way to route the OSK to an SDL app? (e.g. http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-184911.png )
[23:13] <popey> so for SDL games where you have to type in a character name or something
[23:30] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, surely it's not every app, sounds to me like it might just be apps that directly play sounds via Qt -> Pulseaudio
[23:32] <nhaines> popey: have you ever used dosbox in a "productive environment"?
[23:33] <popey> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-doom-first-person-shooter-video-game-running-on-ubuntu-phone-496446.shtml
[23:33] <popey> yes :)
[23:33] <nhaines> popey: If you've ever run VisiCalc or Microsoft Works in dosbox then you know what I'm talking about.  ;)
[23:33] <popey> I was more of a Lotus 123 kinda guy
[23:33] <popey> and then As-Easy-As 123
[23:33] <nhaines> Hehe.
[23:34] <popey> Also, turbo pascal...
[23:34] <popey> happy days
[23:34] <popey> oh no, my brain is now recalling Ashton-Tate dBase III
[23:34] <nhaines> I was a QuickBASIC guy, but oh, now I miss Terminate and BBSes...
[23:34] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: I've tried also with Falldown, which is a QML app and I happens the same. I tried with PathWind and seems there's some magic that mutes the audio.
[23:34] <nhaines> Probably because the flow of time has worn away all the annoying bits....
[23:34] <Elleo> popey: typically you need some sort of IME plugin in the toolkit for the keyboard to talk to when using maliit, which exists for Qt and GTK but I suspect there isn't anything for SDL
[23:35] <Elleo> popey: might be possible to wrap an SDL app in Qt and do it that way though
[23:35] <sverzegnassi> Don't know how media-hub works, though
[23:35] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, yeah most likely these apps aren't going through media-hub
[23:35] <OerHeks> some miss the dailup sound to the internet
[23:35] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, QML calls into normal C++ Qt
[23:35] <popey> Elleo, ok. ta
[23:36] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: huh, ok. I supposed that media-hub stuff were forced somehow into a QML environment.
[23:36] <nhaines> Tell me when media-hub supports GPG!
[23:36]  * nhaines stops trolling and goes back to work.
[23:36] <mcphail> jhodapp: afaik, openal apps don't get muted and the volume control doesn't work at all
[23:36] <Elleo> popey: although I expect for something like doom adding some onscreen controls would be better, since the keyboard takes up a lot of the screen with keys that aren't needed for a game
[23:36] <popey> hmm, good point
[23:37] <mcphail> Elleo: but an onscreen keyboard would give an easy win for lots of existing games
[23:37] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, it is, but if an app uses say the SoundEffect object, that calls directly to pulse and skips media-hub as it's supposed to be a very low latency bringup
[23:37] <popey> Elleo, for some games (like Xcom) you only really need the keyboard now and then, to enter player name for example
[23:37] <jhodapp> mcphail, interesting
[23:38] <nhaines> I can't wait to play Doom with the Steam Controller.  Although actually it'll probably be Dark Forces first.
[23:38] <mcphail> jhodapp: try http://themcphails.uk/altest.njmcphail_0.1_armhf.click for an example
[23:38] <Elleo> popey: yeah, in that case I'd suggest a Qt wrapper with a little "show keyboard" button, so it isn't there when it isn't needed
[23:38] <Elleo> popey: like the terminal
[23:38] <popey> Elleo, know any examples of wrapping an sdl app in qt?
[23:38] <jhodapp> mcphail, have the source to that?
[23:39] <mcphail> jhodapp: i think i might have left the source in the click itself
[23:39] <popey> nhaines, I have a bluetooth controller her, hoping to get that working soon
[23:39] <Elleo> popey: afraid not
[23:39] <popey> k
[23:39] <jhodapp> ok
[23:41] <mcphail> jhodapp: yes, the source is in there
[23:41] <nhaines> popey: +1
[23:41] <Elleo> popey: looking at one example I think a lot will depend on what Mir and the Mir SDL backend support, since they're basically telling SDL to render in to a specific window id
[23:41] <Elleo> popey: which may not be an option with Mir yet
[23:41] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: thanks for the explanation! Btw, I've already reported it in the Canonical System Image project, bug 1518122, since it looked to me as something a bit annoying.
[23:44] <mcphail> sverzegnassi: isn't that an extension of the bug I exploit to keep apps running in the background? If there is no gui, the app doesn't stop when the screen goes off
[23:46] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, thanks...I'm doing a quick investigation just to see if it does in fact utilize media or not which will help me categorize that bug report better
[23:47] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: thanks again!
[23:47] <sverzegnassi> mcphail: that's really interesting!
[23:48] <mcphail> sverzegnassi: my syncthing app on the store exploits it to run in the background
[23:48] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, I reproduced that bug
[23:48] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, and I know why it's happening
[23:51] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, yeah it's a bug in the life cycle exception handler
[23:52] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, I just did a test, when you shut the screen off during the splash screen, the app doesn't get suspended
[23:53] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: ouch... seems like mcphail's app won't be working in future. sorry! :-)
[23:54] <mcphail> sverzegnassi: they've been threatening to fix that bug for months. I won't worry yet :)
[23:54] <sverzegnassi> haha


[00:22] <poolie> lifeless:  did you read curtis's "http is stateless" message?
[00:23] <lifeless> not yet
[00:24] <lifeless> ah yes I have
[00:24] <lifeless> hes right that http is stateless, because it is
[00:24] <lifeless> apps built on it don't have to be
[00:24] <Rinchen> >> changing topic to reflect new entry msg which has help information
[00:24] <lifeless> I was there when the code in question was written; as stuart - who wrote it - says
[00:31] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  aliens.
[00:34] <intellectronica> yeah, we told them many times that having a sprint on Mars is not such a great idea, but they wouldn't listen
[00:36] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[00:36] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: the question is...do they have beer on mars?
[00:38] <intellectronica> no, only scotch and soda. that's another problem with conducting sprints there
[00:39] <intellectronica> anyway, i think i'm about to be abducted by the tooth fairy. long day tomorrow
[00:57] <poolie> lifeless, the mind boggles...
[00:57] <poolie> "ip does not guarantee reliable delivery, therefore ...."
[01:03] <lifeless> poolie: you have to build layers
[01:03] <poolie> exactly
[01:03] <lifeless> did my mail come out funky ?
[01:03] <poolie> no, i'm agreeing with you
[01:03] <lifeless> k :)
[01:04] <poolie> if curtis is trying to say upper layers will have no richer functionality than the lower ones then life will be pretty miserable :)
[01:04] <poolie> i'm just venting astonishment :)
[01:04] <spiv> Astonishment was my reaction too.
[01:05] <poolie> i'm also a bit annoyed the bug 131165 is wontfix
[01:05] <spiv> "deliberate tradeoff that is working as designed" does not imply "not bug".
[01:07] <poolie> mm
[01:07] <poolie> well, "wontfix" does not imply "not bug"
[01:07] <poolie> i disagree with the decision not the categorization
[01:09] <spiv> I was referring to Curtis's message.
[01:10] <poolie> oh, right, yes
[01:10] <spiv> Anyway, I just dumped a quick idea in the bug.
[01:13] <poolie> me too
[01:40] <lifeless> I like the way Launchpad Home takes up two rows
[01:42] <lifeless> oh wow, we had the russion linguists out too
[01:42] <lifeless> poolie: had you noticed: Launchpad is hosting service for open source projects that's big on collaboration.
[01:45] <poolie> lol
[01:45] <poolie> is very cheap.
[01:46] <poolie> you like.
[01:46] <poolie> do you mean the tab label 'lp home' wraps?
[01:46] <poolie> it doesn't on my bigger screen
[01:46] <poolie> at least it wraps properly, that's quite nice
[01:48] <lifeless> it does, I have my window about 800 px wide
[04:23] <nbjayme> hello how do you create a project group? must it exist as a project? i am in the test website of launchpad and cannot figure it out. please help.
[04:24] <nbjayme> also is there a way to delete a project you have created?
[08:46] <seb128> hi
[08:47] <seb128> who do I need to ping when a bug gets spam? like somebody sending advertisement for his website
[08:51] <Nafallo> seb128: ghostbusters :-)
[08:51]  * Nafallo hides
[09:37] <meoblast001> ahhh
[09:37] <meoblast001> No such Launchpad account: meoblast001
[09:37] <meoblast001> what did i do wrong?
[09:37] <wgrant> meoblast001: Is that from bzr?
[09:38] <meoblast001> i think
[09:38] <wgrant> I think it's fairly clear what it means - what's your Launchpad username?
[09:38] <meoblast001> meoblast001 i think
[09:38] <meoblast001> h/o
[09:38] <meoblast001> they dont even have usernames do they
[09:38] <meoblast001> h/o i'll go check
[09:38] <wgrant> They do. What does https://launchpad.net/people/+me say in the url?
[09:38] <meoblast001> https://launchpad.net/~meoblast
[09:38] <meoblast001> hmmm
[09:39] <wgrant> Right.
[09:39] <meoblast001> where did the 001 go?
[09:39] <wgrant> I suspect that you didn't enter it.
[09:39] <meoblast001> this is my first time to really sit down and get to know Launchpad
[09:39] <wgrant> You may change your username if you wish.
[09:39] <meoblast001> wgrant: click that link... it says meoblast001 there
[09:39] <meoblast001> but my url doesnt have the 001
[09:40] <persia> meoblast001: The display name the the id string may be different
[09:40] <persia> s/the/and/
[09:40] <wgrant> meoblast001: Display names and usernames are quite distinct. Mine are 'William Grant' and 'wgrant', for example.
[09:40] <meoblast001> bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Permission denied: "/~meoblast/xeiso": Not enough information.
[09:40] <wgrant> That
[09:40] <meoblast001> maybe im not doing something right
[09:40] <wgrant> You're not.
[09:40] <meoblast001> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:40] <wgrant> It needs to be ~person/project/branch
[09:40] <meoblast001> explain project and branch
[09:41] <meoblast001> i never commited to version control before
[09:41] <wgrant> branch is an arbitrary name that you choose.
[09:41] <meoblast001> i just knew it existed and downloaded from it
[09:41] <wgrant> project is the project that the code is for.
[09:41] <meoblast001> xeiso is the project i think
[09:41] <meoblast001> now what's the branch?
[09:41] <wgrant> Whatever you want.
[09:41] <wgrant> Maybe main, maybe trunk.
[09:41] <wgrant> Maybe gklrjfiosdfjsoi
[09:41] <meoblast001> what "should" i use
[09:42] <wgrant> I would suggest main.
[09:42] <meoblast001> based on this
[09:42] <meoblast001> it looks like trunk
[09:42] <wgrant> But trunk is fine too. Whatever you feel like.
[09:42] <meoblast001> https://launchpad.net/xeiso/
[09:42] <meoblast001> does that look like its trunk?
[09:42]  * meoblast001 is learning python and version control all in 1 day O_o
[09:42] <wgrant> The series is named trunk, but that's just the default name, and has little to do with branches.
[09:43] <meoblast001> so what shold i type?
[09:43] <wgrant> meoblast001: A good combination.
[09:43] <wgrant> meoblast001: bzr push lp:~meoblast/xeiso/main
[09:43] <meoblast001> ok
[09:43] <meoblast001> i typed bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:44] <meoblast001> im afraid
[09:44] <wgrant> You can use lp:~/meoblast/xeiso/main as a shortcut, but either will work fine.
[09:44] <meoblast001> if i messed up, xeiso could be ruined O_o
[09:44] <wgrant> I doubt it.
[09:44] <meoblast001> i still dont get the random red lines in xchat
[09:44] <meoblast001> what are those for?
[09:44] <meoblast001> cuz one just popped up
[09:45] <meoblast001> and it's been irritating me that i dont know what they do
[09:45] <wgrant> I think they are there to let you know when you switched away from the window or tab, so you know where you have to read from to catch up.
[09:45] <wgrant> But I haven't used XChat for a couple of years.
[09:45] <meoblast001> wtf im not gonna upload 40 megs
[09:45] <meoblast001> are they crazy
[09:45] <meoblast001> what did i put in there that shouldnt be in there
[09:46] <meoblast001> can i stop this process?
[09:46] <wgrant> Ctrl+C...
[09:46] <meoblast001> well... i just hit the x
[09:46] <wgrant> Oh, what are you doing it in?
[09:46] <meoblast001> omg
[09:46] <meoblast001> a wav file
[09:46] <meoblast001> thats why
[09:46] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:48] <meoblast001> wgrant: for my new commit, should it say "Deleted Unneeded Nexuiz Files" ?
[09:48] <meoblast001> if i deleted an unneeded wav and a few jpgs
[09:48] <wgrant> meoblast001: Just deleting them won't do any good.
[09:48] <wgrant> As they'll be present in old revisions.
[09:49] <meoblast001> well... i really didnt upload them yet
[09:49] <meoblast001> i dont think
[09:49] <wgrant> If you've committed them, they're in your repository.
[09:49] <meoblast001> i commited them to a local database?
[09:49] <meoblast001> i think
[09:49] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:49] <wgrant> When you push, you push all revisions.
[09:49] <meoblast001> exactly
[09:49] <meoblast001> if the files dont exist
[09:49] <meoblast001> it cant push them
[09:49] <meoblast001> right?
[09:50] <wgrant> It can and will, because they're still in the revision history.
[09:50] <wgrant> That's how version control works.
[09:50] <wgrant> That's the point of version control.
[09:50] <meoblast001> so how do i remove them?
[09:50] <wgrant> #bzr would be a good place to ask.
[09:50] <wgrant> Unless they were added in the last few revisions, there's probably not much hope.
[09:51] <meoblast001> they were added in the last revision
[09:51] <wgrant> You might be able to get away with running 'bzr uncommit', removing them, and recommitting.
[09:52] <wgrant> That might still not fully remove them - I'm not sure exactly how pushing works. But it's worth a try.
[09:52] <meoblast001> ok i uncommited
[09:53] <meoblast001> its reporting missing data
[09:53] <meoblast001> i has a better idea
[09:56] <meoblast001> wgrant: i really messed this up
[09:56] <wgrant> meoblast001: #bzr people can generally help people out of a lot of bad situations.
[09:58] <meoblast001> wgrant: no one is answering
[09:58] <meoblast001> wgrant: whatif i purge bzr?
[09:58] <meoblast001> i just backed up my changes
[09:58] <meoblast001> to my desktop
[09:58] <meoblast001> bzr: ERROR: Target directory "xeiso" already exists.
[09:58] <meoblast001> it wont branch now
[09:58] <meoblast001> because i deleted xeiso
[09:59] <meoblast001> nvm
[09:59] <meoblast001> it cd'd me into the trash bin with it
[09:59] <meoblast001> didnt know that was possible
[11:48] <ephracis> Hey, I just recently moved my project to launchpad and imported my code from sourceforge. So now the trunk runs imports now and then, but I want to ditch sourceforge svn and only use bazaar on launchpad for hosting my code. How can I turn the svn import branch into a "normal" bazaar repo for my project?
[11:57] <intellectronica> ephracis: i think that you can't simply because that branch is owned by ~vcs-imports, and you'll want your main bzr branch to be owned by your team, so you'll probably have to get the imported branch and push it as yours
[11:57] <intellectronica> but i'm no expert - perhaps one of the code guys, like thumper or mwhudson would be able to give you a better answer
[11:58] <wgrant> ephracis: I'd such 'bzr branch'ing it locally, then just push it to somewhere that you can edit.
[11:59] <wgrant> Then set that as the main branch for your project, thus making the ~vcs-imports one like any other branch.
[13:02] <arnarl> hi, the staging test-server seems to submit to launchpad.net
[13:24] <wgrant> arnarl: Where?
[13:25] <arnarl> I tried to register a new project at staging.launchpad.net, and when I submitted it (twice because of an error in my data) it sent me to launchpad.net
[13:26] <arnarl> wgrant: there is a certain possiblity of pebcak
[13:26] <wgrant> It worked for me.
[13:26] <arnarl> I've closed the window so I don't have the history
[13:27] <arnarl> but I'm quite sure that I was redirected because I had the real launchpad.net window next to it
[13:27] <arnarl> and no submits there
[13:27] <arnarl> but not really a problem as I was going to registrer the project anyway
[13:28] <arnarl> The reason I tried the staging server was that I wondered about registering a metaproject
[13:29] <wgrant> You have to ask a Launchpad admin to register a project group.
[13:29] <arnarl> I can do that after the projects are created right?
[13:30] <arnarl> sub-projects
[13:33] <wgrant> Yes.
[13:33] <arnarl> great, thnx :-)
[14:36] <colbrac> Is it normal that galapagos needs multiple hours for the initial import of a small project from sf.net svn? (31 revs)?
[14:47] <meoblast001> hi
[14:48] <meoblast001> how would i link a project to my team?
[14:52] <persia> meoblast001: It's generally done by granting the team control over bugs on the project, and setting the project trunk branch to the team branch.
[14:53] <meoblast001> ?
[14:53] <persia> Erm.  I'm not able to break that down more: maybe someone else can help?
[14:55] <meoblast001> im new to launchpad
[14:55] <meoblast001> i found out how awesome it is when i did some work on Xeiso
[14:55] <meoblast001> im new to version control too
[15:00] <meoblast001> persia: ahh warning sign
[15:00] <meoblast001> https://code.launchpad.net/mox\
[15:00] <meoblast001> https://code.launchpad.net/mox
[15:01] <meoblast001> idk
[15:01] <meoblast001> im gonna mess with this i guess
[15:04] <Myrtti> hello
[15:04] <Myrtti> is this the right place to talk about login to wiki.ubuntu.com using openid from launchpad?
[15:04] <Myrtti> since - it don't work.
[15:05] <elmo> Myrtti: have you got javascript or cookies disabled?
[15:05] <Myrtti> not that I know of
[15:05] <Myrtti> I'm using epiphany and got weird error message in the wiki
[15:05] <elmo> what happens when you try to log in?
[15:06] <Myrtti> OpenID error: Nonce already used or out of range.
[15:06] <elmo> what's your LP ID?
[15:07] <Myrtti> unsurprisingly Myrtti
[15:10] <meoblast001> any idea what "bzr: ERROR: At<EMAIL_ADDRESS>you have a valid .bzr control directory, but not a branch or repository. This is an unsupported configuration. Please move the target directory out of the way and try again." might mean?
[15:14] <elmo> Myrtti: can you try logging into help.ubuntu.com, just out of interest?
[15:15]  * Myrtti rolls her thumbs
[15:16] <Myrtti> trying
[15:18] <Myrtti> still loading
[15:19] <Myrtti> I guess it's not going anywhere
[15:20] <meoblast001> any idea about that error?
[15:21] <Myrtti> Proxy Error
[15:21] <Myrtti> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[15:21] <Myrtti> The proxy server could not handle the request GET /community/.
[15:21] <Myrtti> 502 yay
[15:21] <elmo> Myrtti: according to the logs your browser is sending the same nonce repeatedly
[15:21] <elmo> Myrtti: can you try completely stopping/killing the browser, restarting and trying again?
[15:21] <Myrtti> wohoo.
[15:22] <Myrtti> sure, I'll reboot while I'm at it, compiz got flaky
[15:27] <meoblast001> Myrtti: "<Myrtti> Proxy Error" was that directed towards me or elmo?
[15:28] <elmo> meoblast001: me
[15:28] <Myrtti> that was fun
[15:28] <meoblast001> ok
[15:29] <Myrtti> when I launched the browser, I was logged in, I logged out and now I can't login with the openid again
[15:30]  * meoblast001 cant figure this out
[15:31] <meoblast001> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[15:31] <meoblast001> =/
[15:35] <Myrtti> meoblast001: what about<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mysticalgalaxies"
[15:35] <kiko> hey there
[15:36] <elmo> Myrtti: err, I can't see you logging in or out, on our logs.  are you sure you don't have a proxy in front of you?
[15:36] <meoblast001> Myrtii: bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command push: mysticgalaxies
[15:36] <Myrtti> oh.
[15:36] <Myrtti> elmo: again, not that I know of.
[15:37] <elmo> Myrtti: well, not being funny, but you might want to ask your ISP or whoever provides your net connection, because it looks very strongly like that's the case
[15:37] <elmo> Myrtti: at 15:31, I see you getting the /Myrtti page on the wiki, but I don't see any login/logout related requests hit our server _at all_ from you
[15:38] <Myrtti> ... and I spesifically cleared out my cookies, and logged in
[15:46] <Myrtti> Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at wiki.ubuntu.com Port 443 | The proxy server could not handle the request GET /
[15:47] <Myrtti> AND according to my browser now I'm logged in. -______-
[15:47] <Myrtti> like. WTH?!
[15:47] <Myrtti> well, atleast to help.ubuntu.com
[15:48] <Myrtti> ok, getting confused, fetching coffee
[16:01] <Myrtti> yay. now I got Zero Sized Reply
[16:17] <Myrtti> yay! now it worked
[16:43] <VladimirMelo> hi there, anyone who works with rosetta around?
[16:50] <intellectronica> VladimirMelo: i don't think there's anyone around, but i can try to help, or you could ask your question on launchpad itself
[16:50] <jtv> VladimirMelo: hi, I'm here, though a bit busy
[17:03] <VladimirMelo> jtv: ok, thanks
[17:04] <jtv> VladimirMelo: go ahead?
[17:04] <VladimirMelo> jtv: I'm one of brazilian team administrators
[17:04] <VladimirMelo> jtv: and I have a question...
[17:05] <VladimirMelo> jtv: why rosetta don't have just the strings out of upstream catalogs?
[17:05] <VladimirMelo> doesnt*
[17:05] <jtv> VladimirMelo: you're saying there are more strings than in the original template?
[17:05] <jtv> VladimirMelo: I guess you're talking about Ubuntu translations?
[17:06] <VladimirMelo> jtv: i'm saying we should just translate the string which are not in upstream
[17:06] <jtv> VladimirMelo: like what you get when you select the "untranslated" filter, you mean?
[17:07] <VladimirMelo> jtv: yeah, but we gotta import all files to each release
[17:07] <jtv> VladimirMelo: ideally, that is exactly what should happen.  But sometimes something may need to be translated differently in Ubuntu, e.g. because of differences in terminology or other standards between upstream and Ubuntu
[17:08] <VladimirMelo> jtv: I understand, but I think rosetta should get a kind of diff to be translated, not the entire file
[17:09] <jtv> VladimirMelo: That's the "untranslated" filter.
[17:09] <jtv> VladimirMelo: it's also up to the translation teams to watch out for too many differences, and to inform their members about not creating unnecessary differences.
[17:11] <VladimirMelo> jtv: so, rosetta would merge the diff to upstream file...
[17:11] <VladimirMelo> jtv: yeah, but we're gonna import all over again each release, right?
[17:11] <jtv> VladimirMelo: we generally can't merge to upstream, because there are so many completely different upstreams!
[17:12] <jtv> VladimirMelo: we import again, but that updates and adds.  You don't actually lose anything.
[17:13] <VladimirMelo> jtv: I mean merge to files which are translated from upstream
[17:14] <jtv> VladimirMelo: who is "upstream" in this case?
[17:14] <VladimirMelo> jtv: gnome po files
[17:15] <VladimirMelo> jtv: rosett would show the patch strings and we would translate just them
[17:15] <jtv> VladimirMelo: one thing we're looking at is allowing you to e.g. export just the Ubuntu changes, and send those to the Gnome translators.
[17:15] <VladimirMelo> jtv: gnome po files+diff=ubuntu po files, right?
[17:15] <jtv> VladimirMelo: pretty much, yes.
[17:16] <VladimirMelo> jtv: and the other direction?
[17:16] <VladimirMelo> jtv: gnome > ubuntu
[17:17] <jtv> VladimirMelo: the Ubuntu people produce those translations and upload them to Launchpad.
[17:18] <VladimirMelo> jtv: but we want to get gnome strings and just complete the translations
[17:19] <jtv> VladimirMelo: I guess I still don't see what the problem is...  Isn't the "untranslated" filter what you want for that?
[17:19] <VladimirMelo> jtv: because brazilian ubuntu translators are also gnome translators
[17:20] <VladimirMelo> jtv: no, because we make some revisions between releases
[17:21] <VladimirMelo> jtv: and it's hard to work on gnome and ubuntu everytime
[17:22] <VladimirMelo> jtv: we want to bring gnome strings to ubuntu
[17:22] <Myrtti> ... doesn't launchpad pull translations from the previous release to the next?
[17:23] <jtv> Myrtti: yes, it does
[17:23] <VladimirMelo> Myrtti: we translators gotta confirm each string
[17:23] <jtv> VladimirMelo: but the problem is that it takes too long for the upstream updates to get into the Ubuntu translations, right?
[17:24] <VladimirMelo> jtv: yeah, you're right... gnome 2.24 is not at rosetta yet
[17:24] <VladimirMelo> I mean, translations
[17:24] <jtv> VladimirMelo: is that the version for Intrepid?
[17:25] <VladimirMelo> jtv: yep
[17:25] <VladimirMelo> jtv: and we will have to import xfce, gnome and kde POs
[17:26] <VladimirMelo> jtv: merging manually those that have different strings
[17:26] <VladimirMelo> jtv: it's hard to call translators to work with this, they think it's boring
[17:27] <VladimirMelo> and it is... :)
[17:27] <VladimirMelo> jtv: we gotta download the file, change it and upload
[17:27] <jtv> VladimirMelo: why not change it in the web UI?
[17:28] <VladimirMelo> jtv: because we have to check other strings and it's not easy to do it over launchpad
[17:29] <jtv> VladimirMelo: check them in what way?
[17:29] <VladimirMelo> jtv: e.g. 'delete' can be translated as 'excluir' or 'remover'... 'excluir' is the right one...
[17:30] <VladimirMelo> jtv: and we have to find the others 'delete' to fix it
[17:30] <jtv> VladimirMelo: if it's per PO file, do you know about the new search feature?
[17:30] <VladimirMelo> other 'delete's
[17:31] <VladimirMelo> jtv: yeas, this is a useful feature, but these fixes are many times already done in upstream
[17:31] <jtv> VladimirMelo: ...and you shouldn't have to do them again.
[17:32] <VladimirMelo> jtv: no?
[17:32] <VladimirMelo> jtv: what I should do?
[17:33] <jtv> VladimirMelo: what should happen is that the translation team checks the "changed in Launchpad" strings from time to time, and where it makes sense, re-unifies messages with the upstream ones.
[17:33] <jtv> VladimirMelo: so not entering/fixing them again, but saying "this message can use the same translation as upstream."
[17:33] <VladimirMelo> jtv: how they check?
[17:34] <jtv> VladimirMelo: a view filter: "items changed in Launchpad."
[17:34] <jtv> VladimirMelo: for those messages, the current upstream translation will show up as a suggestion marked "Packaged:"
[17:35] <VladimirMelo> jtv: I didn't know that
[17:35] <VladimirMelo> jtv: how long it takes to check upstream messages?
[17:36] <jtv> VladimirMelo: there's still the problem that it takes a long time to import the upstream files, of course.
[17:36] <jtv> VladimirMelo: to be honest I have no idea how long it takes; it would depend mainly on how many there are!
[17:37] <VladimirMelo> jtv: because we have one, maybe two months between gnome and ubuntu releases
[17:38] <jtv> VladimirMelo: so the import cycle is still the big problem...
[17:38] <VladimirMelo> jtv: we don't know how to check differences between them in so short time... and fix them
[17:38] <VladimirMelo> jtv: I see now what's the real trouble
[17:40] <VladimirMelo> jtv: thanks
[17:40] <jtv> VladimirMelo: it's also useful for me, so thank you.
[17:41] <VladimirMelo> jtv: ok, I'll try to work with these filters
[17:42] <jtv> VladimirMelo: it's not perfect, but I hope they help!
[17:42] <VladimirMelo> jtv: ok, thanks again
[18:58] <Rinchen>
[18:58] <Rinchen> >> come join the LP dev meeting in #launchpad-meeting
[18:58] <Rinchen>
[19:57] <Rinchen> updated meeting
[22:00] <stefanlsd> Can anyone help me what i should check with this - MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive / Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification...
[22:01] <salgado> cprov, can you help stefanlsd?
[22:05] <cprov> stefanlsd: are you using the same orig.tar.gz ubuntu does ?
[22:05] <Whoopie> Hi, I have a PPA at launchpad. I'd be interested when older packages superceeded by newer uploads are deleted from the PPA. thank
[22:06] <cprov> Whoopie: yes, they are removed from the archive.
[22:06] <stefanlsd> cprov: it should be. I received the files from a grab-merge from merges.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <Whoopie> cprov: how long does it take? just curious
[22:06] <stefanlsd> cprov: gonna try reget them and compare md5's
[22:07] <cprov> Whoopie: immediately once there is no index referencing it.
[22:07] <stefanlsd> cprov: yeah, just got it again. they are identical...
[22:08] <cprov> Whoopie: 'referencing' as the orig being used by a newer version, for instance.
[22:08] <Whoopie> cprov: hmm, ok. because I built a new package and the older one is still there. It was 5 hours ago.
[22:09] <cprov> Whoopie: doesn't it use the same orig ?
[22:09] <Whoopie> it does
[22:10] <cprov> Whoopie: so.
[22:11] <stefanlsd> cprov: any ideas?
[22:11] <cprov> stefanlsd: 6f30d5907b75ef76809c19e0103d78f4a5fb027c 734954 python-xml_0.8.4.orig.tar.gz
[22:11] <cprov> stefanlsd: it's broken, see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-xml/0.8.4-10ubuntu2
[22:12] <cprov> stefanlsd: specifically https://launchpadlibrarian.net/13278701/python-xml_0.8.4.orig.tar.gz
[22:13] <stefanlsd> cprov: I used a grab merge and it auto downloaded it and thats what
[22:13] <stefanlsd> i got. heh :)
[22:15] <stefanlsd> cprov: where does PPA generate its md5's from?   Not from merges.ubuntu.com?
[22:15] <cprov> stefanlsd: don't worry, just rebuild the source using the ubuntu orig, this way you save a 800k upload
[22:17] <cprov> stefanlsd: ehe, no, obviously not, it has directly access to the file uploaded to soyuz (in general)
[22:19] <cprov> stefanlsd: anyway, now you know how it works and how to fix your upload, right ?  I will be out for some minutes, let me know if I can help with anything else.
[22:20] <stefanlsd> cprov-afk: yeah. just gonna download orig.  anyway i can force ppa upload without doing a delete?
[22:21] <stefanlsd> mm. i deleted the _source.upload file... seems to be going again...
[22:21] <cprov-afk> stefanlsd: sorry, are you talking about the dput error ?
[22:22] <stefanlsd> cprov-afk: nodnod. dput was complaining...
[22:22] <cprov-afk> stefanlsd: your upload has failed, PPA has not trace about it whatsoever.
[22:22] <stefanlsd> cprov-afk: aah. ok. thanks. that makes sense.  Im trying to upload again. Thanks for your time and assistance
[22:22] <cprov-afk> stefanlsd: `dput -f xxx.changes` or remove the '.upload' file
[22:23] <cprov-afk> stefanlsd: np, you are welcome.
[22:24] <onox> why does the description not parse newlines anymore?
[22:26] <emgent> problem solved fake sync by doko
[22:26] <emgent>   * Fake sync (different .orig.tar.gz).