[05:58] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning
[06:01] <coolbhavi> good morning PaoloRotolo
[06:01] <PaoloRotolo> Hi coolbhavi
[06:11] <dpm> good morning
[06:24] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning dpm
[06:24] <dpm> hey PaoloRotolo, how are you? :)
[06:24] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, fine, thanks :)
[06:24] <dpm> nice
[06:25] <dpm> wow, lots of apps being submitted for the app showdown!
[06:26] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, yes, 14 app in 7 hours
[06:28] <PaoloRotolo> uhm, look this app: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1249/
[06:30] <PaoloRotolo> it looks like an terminal-only app
[06:49] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning dholbach
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[06:49] <PaoloRotolo> :)
[06:49] <dholbach> come stai? cosa fai?
[06:49] <dholbach> ajmitch, the queue is pretty full :)
[06:50] <dholbach> ajmitch, we've got to make a decision on what we do in terms of "we propose changes, they get overwritten next time 'quickly package' is run"
[06:50] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, yeah, only 14 app in 7 hours ;)
[06:51] <dholbach> PaoloRotolo, plus all the other ones which were in there already :)
[06:51] <PaoloRotolo> right
[06:52] <PaoloRotolo> BTW, this looks like interesting: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1249/
[06:52] <PaoloRotolo> It maybe a terminal-only app
[06:53] <PaoloRotolo> is*
[07:14] <dholbach> dpm, I broke the apps brancher on Friday and almost put it back together yesterday - I hope just a bit more time will sort it out
[07:16] <dpm> ok, thanks for the heads up
[07:16] <dpm> Refactoring, refactoring.... :-)
[07:16] <dholbach> I almost rewrote it completely
[07:16] <dholbach> but I guess that's just how things work
[07:17]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[07:18] <dpm> dholbach, here's the bug I was telling you about last week re: p-d-e, it seems it is confirmed, it's not only me: the p-d-e version in -proposed makes quickly throw Unicode errors and fail - https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+bug/1021969
[07:20] <dpm> The only related thing I can see in the changelog is  "auto.py: Fix crash when encountering an UTF-8 Python source code file.", but there is no bug # associated with that change
[07:20] <dholbach> dpm, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/python-distutils-extra/quantal/revision/41 maybe?
[07:25] <dpm> ah, nice one, thanks
[07:25]  * dpm looks
[07:29] <didrocks> needing help? :)
[07:30]  * didrocks just finished his email backlog
[07:30] <didrocks> hey dpm
[07:30] <dpm> hey didrocks, help would be awesome :)
[07:30] <dpm> I think there are two things at play here:
[07:30] <didrocks> so, I saw an email about crash, let me look at it again
[07:30] <didrocks> yeah?
[07:31] <dpm> the latest p-d-e in precise-proposed and quickly don't play along well
[07:31] <didrocks> you are speaking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+bug/1021969
[07:31] <dpm> one thing is about Unicode warnings
[07:31] <didrocks> isn't it?
[07:31] <dpm> yeah
[07:32] <dpm> so looking closely at it
[07:32] <dpm> the Unicode issue are only warnings
[07:32] <dpm> the real issue is the debconf 6 or debconf 8 dependency check
[07:32] <dpm> I think
[07:33] <didrocks> well, let's look to fix them :)
[07:33] <dpm> awesome :)
[07:33] <didrocks> so, first thing first, the warning
[07:33] <didrocks> I'm on quantal
[07:33] <dpm> there's bug 995653 on p-d-e, which might be related
[07:34] <didrocks> should I just quickly create an app
[07:34] <didrocks> and try to package it?
[07:34] <didrocks> sorry, started to lag…
[07:34] <didrocks>  didrocks | I'm on quantal
[07:34] <didrocks>  didrocks | should I just quickly create an app
[07:34] <didrocks>  didrocks | and try to package it?
[07:35] <dpm> didrocks, I could confirm the bug with a test app and just packaging it, yeah, but...
[07:35] <dpm> I assume the p-d-e fix is in Quantal, not sure about the last Quickly fix
[07:35] <didrocks> dpm: let me try, upgrading to latest first
[07:35] <didrocks> ah
[07:35] <didrocks> you mean the commit that dholbach pointed at isn't in precise?
[07:36] <dpm> the commit he pointed at is in precise-proposed
[07:36] <dpm> for p-d-e
[07:36] <dpm> 2.33-0ubuntu0.1
[07:37] <didrocks> ah
[07:37] <didrocks> so, I should get the same crash in quantal, one sec
[07:37] <dpm> python-distutils-extra |     2.32-2 |       precise | source, all
[07:37] <dpm> python-distutils-extra | 2.33-0ubuntu0.1 | precise-proposed | source, all
[07:37] <dpm> python-distutils-extra |     2.33-1 |       quantal | source, all
[07:38] <dpm> But for Quickly
[07:38] <dpm>    quickly | 12.04-0ubuntu1 | precise/universe | source, all
[07:38] <dpm>    quickly | 12.04-0ubuntu2 | precise-updates/universe | source, all
[07:38] <dpm>    quickly | 12.04-0ubuntu3 | precise-proposed/universe | source, all
[07:38] <dpm>    quickly | 12.05-0ubuntu1 | quantal/universe | source, all
[07:38] <didrocks> let me try try try :)
[07:39] <dpm> So I'm not sure if the fix in 12.04-0ubuntu3 from precise-proposed is in Quantal
[07:39] <didrocks> ok, getting the warning!
[07:39] <didrocks> quickly create ubuntu-application foo
[07:39] <didrocks> cd foo
[07:39] <didrocks> quickly package
[07:39] <dpm> ok, good, that's a start :)
[07:39] <didrocks> now, let's see ;)
[07:44] <dholbach> dpm, I just deployed http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-app-review-contributors/apps-brancher/trunk/revision/64 - let's see how it goes
[07:44] <dpm> cool
[07:44] <didrocks> dholbach: "deployed"?
[07:45] <dholbach> yeah, put it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:45]  * didrocks looks the bzr history, something is weird :)
[07:45] <didrocks> there is a bot running your lint app?
[07:46] <dpm> they are two apps: one is the apps-brancher, which dumps myapps.d.u.c submissions into bzr branches for review - that's what the bot runs
[07:46] <dholbach> what is this?
[07:46] <dholbach> Waiting to hear from Launchpad about your decision...
[07:46] <dholbach> Please set a password for your new keyring
[07:46] <dholbach> I never got that from py-launchpadlib
[07:46] <dpm> the other app is arb-lint, which is run manually, if I'm not mistaken
[07:47] <dholbach> dpm, correct
[07:49] <dpm> dholbach, there is only one mention of a keyring in https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib/, not sure what the message above could be
[07:49] <didrocks> the message it the "please ack this app with your credential in launchpad"
[07:49] <didrocks> is*
[07:49] <didrocks> the one opening your browser
[07:50] <dholbach> it opened w3m
[07:50] <dholbach> and I put in all the data
[07:50] <dholbach> I hope it doesn't want a passphrase whenever I start the script
[07:50] <dholbach> ... or I'll be a bit unhappy
[07:51] <didrocks> you don't really need one AFAIK
[07:51] <dholbach> argh
[07:51] <dholbach> it needs one
[07:53] <didrocks> urgh
[07:53] <dholbach> this looks wrong too: https://launchpad.net/+authorize-token?oauth_token=<blablabla>&allow_permission=DESKTOP_INTEGRATION
[07:53] <dholbach> I don't think I want DESKTOP_INTGRATION on my server
[07:54] <didrocks> dholbach: that's weird, for all my bots, I don't need that, I just bound it once to launchpad and no passphrase
[07:56] <dholbach> yeah, same here
 dholbach<EMAIL_ADDRESS> "5. If your script is not intended for interactive use, pass in a credentials_file argument to login_with() to avoid the keyring.
[07:59] <didrocks> interesting
[08:01] <dpm> dholbach, it seems https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib/#Authenticated_access_for_website_integration does not mention the credentials_file, though
[08:02] <dpm> It also mentions: "You might have noticed that system is pretty hacky. It hasn't gotten much attention, because we don't know of any third-party websites that are integrating Launchpad functionality in a way that requires OAuth tokens."
[08:02] <dpm> ouch
[08:03] <didrocks> ok, got the line about the warning
[08:03] <dholbach> ok, it's running now
[08:03] <dholbach> http://appbot.holba.ch/log/log.txt
[08:04] <didrocks> oh got it
[08:04] <didrocks> we are forcing the utf-8 encoding
[08:04] <didrocks> and the string itself tells "it's ok, it's utf-8"
[08:05] <dholbach> I'm out to take the dog for a walk, brb
[08:18] <dpm> "XKCD Browser was submitted to the ARB"
[08:18] <dpm> nice :)
[08:21] <didrocks> dholbach: dpm: ok, got some chat with pitti about the actual issue , I'll file a bug, mark the current p-d-e verification failed, do a test case and fix it
[08:22] <dpm> didrocks, wow, awesome, thanks!
[08:22] <didrocks> yw :)
[08:25] <dpm> didrocks, if you've got some time to look at the 'quickly.templatetools.CantUpdateFile: debhelper (>= 6), was not found in the file ' crash on quickly 12.04-0ubuntu3, that would help us a lot too, as I've already seen 3 o 4 appshowdown participants hitting it
[08:25] <dpm> on https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+bug/1021969, I mean
[08:25] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, let me look at that next
[08:25] <dpm> excellent
[08:25] <didrocks> dpm: doing some meeting, fixing p-d-e, then on that
[08:25]  * dpm hugs didrocks
[08:25] <didrocks> dpm: I want to organize some public hangouts as well on how we can improve the whole thing
[08:25]  * didrocks hugs dpm
[08:27] <dpm> didrocks, oh definitely, I like the idea! We'll be a bit busy with the voting the first days of the week, but let's chat and we can organize some hangouts by the end of the week/start of the next one
[08:27] <didrocks> dpm: excellent!
[09:06] <dholbach> dpm, I think it's working now - search for "Name: 'teatime'" in http://appbot.holba.ch/log/log.txt :)
[09:06] <dholbach> it find the stupid text file, then finds the ppa info in there then branches the source package from there
[09:06] <dholbach> we've got to sort out the submission process
[09:07] <dholbach> it's so error-prone :-(
[09:09] <didrocks> dholbach: fix proposed, do you fancy a backport for the SRU? I can do the quantal upload
[09:09] <dpm> dholbach, I agree, the "upload something" box should be replaced by something sensible
[09:09] <didrocks> or I can backport to precise if you want :)
[09:09] <dholbach> didrocks, no time - I've got to get the brancher working and then start reviewing like 100 apps :/
[09:10] <didrocks> ok, will do then
[09:10] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[09:10] <dholbach> the next time we meet the first round(s) will be on me :)
[09:10] <didrocks> \o/
[09:11] <dpm> yeah, thanks didrocks, and I'll get the next
[09:11] <didrocks> thanks dholbach, dpm :)
[09:11] <didrocks> ok, once it's done, let's look at the next issue
[09:13] <dpm> dholbach, would it be possible to get a list of all apps in the queue with your apps brancher and with not too much effort, so that I can more easily find out which apps are part of the showdown? I can look at the Trello board and to mhall119's spreadsheet, but those are manually updated, and it would be nice to be able to cross-check with an automatically generated list
[09:18] <dholbach> right now all I have is https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-reviews and http://appbot.holba.ch/log/log.txt
[09:18] <dholbach> dpm, and the brancher currently still fails on some "special" submissions, so I'm fixing those issues as we speak
[09:20] <dpm> dholbach, ok, cool. No rush on me, I'll update either the Trello or the spreadsheet and if you've managed to do your fixes, I'll cross-check with the apps brancher output
[09:22] <dholbach> dpm, I'll set myself a time limit, so I don't spend all day trying to fix the brancher
[09:22] <dpm> ok, sounds sensible
[09:27] <dholbach> but I think I ironed out quite a few issues already
[09:35] <didrocks> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+bug/1021969 is not the one about debhelper? right?
[09:38] <dpm> didrocks, I think it is, looking at the terminal output, I see "quickly.templatetools.CantUpdateFile: debhelper (>= 6), was not found in the file /home/crazycoder/testme/debian/control" - I think the latest Quickly SRU in precise-proposed looks for the debhelper >=6 line to add to the debian/control file, but p-d-e in precise-proposed or whatever generates the control file creates it with debhelper >=8 ?
[09:38] <dpm> so it cannot find the line to replace
[09:38] <didrocks> dpm: oh silly me, I stopped at the warnings :/
[09:39] <didrocks> ok, so the same bug has 2 issues
[09:39] <dpm> yeah
[09:39] <dpm> I got distracted by the warnings too at first
[09:39] <didrocks> hum, do we have his project?
[09:39] <didrocks> to reproduce the issue?
[09:39] <didrocks> oh
[09:39] <didrocks> it's mterry's update
[09:40] <didrocks> ah, his update will fail with all new created projects :/
[09:41] <didrocks> dpm: I don't understand, do you know how 12.04-0ubuntu3 can be in precise-proposed where nothing was released in quantal?
[09:41] <dpm> yes, it can be reproduced with a new test project and p-d-e from -proposed
[09:42] <didrocks> yeah, I know why
[09:43] <didrocks> dpm: still wondering, did you have to pay the SRU team so that they let Quickly in without an upload to quantal? :)
[09:43] <dpm> hahaha
[09:43] <didrocks> dpm: like, if I prepare another fix, will they let us do the same? (you can do your small magic, trick?)
[09:44] <dpm> didrocks, it was a critical bug, as no one could use 'submitubuntu' for the app showdown. mterry was really helpful and fixed it really quickly and uploaded it to precise-proposed. Then I added the testcase and modified the description to qualify for SRU, and asked the sru team to approve the -proposed upload. I probably made a mistake in following the SRU rules
[09:44] <dpm> I can try :)
[09:44] <didrocks> dpm: let's see ;)
[09:45] <didrocks> dpm: I'll separate that in another bug report to make things clear
[09:45] <didrocks> we can argue, "it's a one line fix, what can it break?" ;)
[09:46] <dpm> famous last words?
[09:47] <dpm> ok, I need to drive someone to the airport, I'll be back in ~40 min
[09:48] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, famous last words :)
[09:48] <didrocks> sure
[09:49] <dpm> ok, bbl!
[10:17] <didrocks> dpm-bbl: when you get back, I will appreciate some tests from you on quantal :)
[10:18] <didrocks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1082514/
[10:19] <didrocks> tell me, if it works, I'll push that to -proposed immediatly :)
[10:51] <dholbach> dpm, I hope I just found the last really weird bug (apps having the suggested package name of '0.1')
[10:51] <dholbach> I'll re-run the whole thing again and hope it'll work - I'll take a break in the meantime
[10:51] <dholbach> if it doesn't meet our expectations, I'll leave it for now
[10:51] <dpm> dholbach, ok
[10:52] <dpm> didrocks, I'm still on 12.04. Would it help if I test it there?
[11:05] <dpm> didrocks, I'm getting this after applying the above patch to 12.04's quickly: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1082563/
[11:10] <PaoloRotolo> Can I help you?
[11:15] <dpm> PaoloRotolo, sure, we're trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+bug/1021969, if you happen to be in Quantal and fancy applying that patch ^ and see if it works for you, that'd be helpful
[11:15] <didrocks> back before shower :)
[11:15] <didrocks> oupsss, my bad :)
[11:15] <didrocks> let me fix that
[11:16] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, uhm, I'm in Precise
[11:16] <didrocks> dpm: add templatetools in front of CantUpdateFile please
[11:16] <dpm> ok
[11:17] <didrocks> templatetools.CantUpdateFile :)
[11:21] <didrocks> dpm: keep me posted ;)
[11:21]  * didrocks takes a shower, bbiab
[11:21] <dpm> didrocks, it seems it failed: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1082569/
[11:22] <didrocks> dpm: weird, it seems it applied it though
[11:22] <didrocks> dpm: can you pastebin debian/control please?
[11:22] <didrocks> sorry
[11:22] <didrocks> debian/foo/DEBIAN/control
[11:24] <dpm> sure
[11:25] <dpm> didrocks, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1082574/
[11:25] <dpm> ah, wait
[11:26] <didrocks> there is no Build-deps line
[11:26] <dpm> didrocks, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1082578/
[11:27] <didrocks> waow
[11:27] <didrocks> how is it possible?
[11:27] <didrocks> dpm: I guess mterry's patch never worked, right?
[11:28] <didrocks> it misses build-deps
[11:28] <didrocks> in the previous version for SRU
[11:28] <dpm> it did work with the stable p-d-e
[11:28] <didrocks> dpm: that's weird, were you using the version from -proposed?
[11:28] <didrocks> are you sure? I can clearly see what misses ;)
[11:28] <didrocks> trunk worked because there is not the typo
[11:28] <dpm> let me give you the versions
[11:28] <didrocks> but the version in -proposed has this typo
[11:29] <dpm> dpm@avenc:/tmp/foo$ apt-cache policy quickly python-distutils-extra
[11:29] <dpm> quickly:
[11:29] <dpm>   Instaŀlat: 12.04-0ubuntu3
[11:29] <dpm>   Candidat:  12.04-0ubuntu3
[11:29] <dpm>   Taula de versió:
[11:29] <dpm>  *** 12.04-0ubuntu3 0
[11:29] <didrocks> weird
[11:29] <dpm>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-proposed/universe amd64 Packages
[11:29] <dpm>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:29] <dpm>      12.04-0ubuntu2 0
[11:29] <didrocks> anyway, fixed
[11:29] <dpm>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/universe amd64 Packages
[11:29] <dpm>      12.04-0ubuntu1 0
[11:29] <dpm>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe amd64 Packages
[11:29] <dpm> python-distutils-extra:
[11:29] <dpm>   Instaŀlat: 2.33-0ubuntu0.1
[11:29] <dpm>   Candidat:  2.33-0ubuntu0.1
[11:29] <dpm>   Taula de versió:
[11:29] <dpm>  *** 2.33-0ubuntu0.1 0
[11:29] <dpm>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-proposed/main amd64 Packages
[11:29] <dpm>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:29] <didrocks> dpm: can you try to reapply the patch?
[11:29] <dpm>      2.32-2 0
[11:30] <dpm>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
[11:30] <dpm> didrocks, sure, where's the new patch?
[11:30] <didrocks> like, reinstall the ubuntu-template package from -proposed
[11:30] <didrocks> (with --reinstall)
[11:30] <didrocks> and then, I'll give you the patch
[11:30] <dpm> ah, gotcha
[11:30] <didrocks> dpm: sorry, I don't have a precise machine to test :/
[11:30] <dpm> np
[11:31] <dpm> didrocks, ok, reinstalled
[11:32] <didrocks> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1082592/
[11:32] <didrocks> dpm: see the missing Build-depends in the diff?
[11:32] <didrocks> for the first stanza
[11:32] <didrocks> not sure how it could have worked without that
[11:33] <dpm> didrocks, that is really weird - I wrote and verified the test case on https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+bug/1018038
[11:33] <dpm> anyway, let me apply the patch
[11:34] <didrocks> dpm: are you sure you weren't using a trunk quickly? ;)
[11:34] <didrocks> with the add_path
[11:34] <didrocks> it will take this one
[11:34] <didrocks> (trunk doesn't have this typo)
[11:34] <dpm> no, I tend to use packages for everything
[11:34] <dpm> so no quickly trunk
[11:34] <didrocks> dpm: oh wait
[11:34] <didrocks> dpm: there is an extra space
[11:34] <didrocks> Build-Depends:
[11:34] <didrocks> with 2 spaces
[11:34] <didrocks> please remove one the 4 trimes
[11:34] <didrocks> times*
[11:35] <didrocks> I can redo the patch if you want :)
[11:36] <dpm> no, don't worry, let me look at it
[11:39] <dpm> didrocks, success! http://paste.ubuntu.com/1082598/ :-)
[11:39] <didrocks> \o/
[11:39]  * didrocks pushes
[11:40] <didrocks> dpm: I have clearly no idea how the previous version worked TBH in -proposed
[11:41] <dpm> no idea too, but it seems it worked for the app showdown submitters too
[11:41] <didrocks> dpm: ok, it's waiting the SRU team to ack in -proposed
[11:41] <dpm> cool, thanks!
[11:41]  * didrocks is puzzled, maybe they updated first with something else and so it's silently skipped
[11:41] <didrocks> anyway, when running I had a lot of ideas for Quickly
[11:41] <didrocks> and make it entirely testable
[11:41] <didrocks> I'll write that down after my shower :)
[11:42] <dpm> cool :)
[11:42] <dpm> I've got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quickly/+bug/1021675 also queued up for either you or mterry, but it's not as important as the previous one, so it can wait
[11:49] <didrocks> let me have a quick look
[11:51] <didrocks> dpm: easy to fix, I can sneak that in the previous upload
[11:51] <didrocks> dpm: you didn't ping anyone yet to get it approved, right?
[11:52] <dpm> didrocks, that'd be cool, yeah. No, I haven't talked to anyone yet
[11:52] <didrocks> but if so, you have to my guinea pig again as I don't have the needed setup :/
[11:52] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: I don't know why the apps-brancher does this, but at some stage it starts importing the same apps (from PPAs, I think) into different directories
[11:52] <dholbach> ie.: "Successfully imported '/tmp/apps-brancher/tarballs/teatime/teatime-unity_12.06+bzr60~precise1.dsc' into '/home/appbot/production/apps-brancher/data/branches/tagplayer'."
[11:53] <dholbach> and I couldn't figure out why
[11:53] <dholbach> I'll give up and review stuff manually
[11:53] <dholbach> ... after I grabbed a quick lunch
[11:53] <dholbach> if you're bored, lp:apps-brancher should have the newest code :)
[11:53]  * dpm puts on guinea pig's hat to help didrocks
[11:53] <dpm> or should it be ears?
[11:54] <dpm> dholbach, ok, let me finish with the quickly bugs testing and preparing the apps voting list first, and then I can see if I can help in any way
[11:55] <didrocks> dpm: a hat is fine :)
[11:55]  * didrocks wakes up his regexp foo
[11:58] <didrocks> fixed :)
[11:59] <didrocks> no need for guinea pig even
[11:59] <didrocks> I tried manuallly an a file
[11:59] <didrocks> on*
[11:59] <didrocks> should be good
[12:01] <didrocks> dpm: it's waiting unapproved in -proposed, completing the bug, you can ping someone if you want
[12:01] <dpm> thanks didrocks!
[13:00] <dholbach> back
[13:06] <coolbhavi> dholbach, good noon
[13:08] <dholbach> hi coolbhavi
[13:14] <didrocks> dholbach: how many submission do you have to review guys?
[13:14] <didrocks> hey coolbhavi
[13:14] <dholbach> LOADS
[13:14] <dholbach> 100+
[13:15] <didrocks> waow, would you make some stats about the number of Quickly apps?
[13:15] <didrocks> or can I build building those stats?
[13:15] <didrocks> would be interesting to know :)
[13:15] <coolbhavi> hey didrocks so we have our task cut out this week :)
[13:16] <didrocks> coolbhavi: I truly believe you :)
[13:53] <dholbach> didrocks, dpm, mhall119: I think I fixed the apps-brancher
[13:53] <dholbach> what a mess :)
[13:53] <dholbach> I cleared all the cache again and it's going through the queue
[13:54] <didrocks> dholbach: what does the apps-brancher does? it downloads all the entries and project them in directories?
[13:54] <dholbach> it's a bit more complicated
[13:54] <dholbach> basically it just tries to put all the incoming submissions into a coherent form
[13:55] <dholbach> it puts all of these crazy things into a bzr branch:
[13:55] <dholbach>  - tarballs
[13:55] <dholbach>  - source packages in tarballs
[13:55] <dholbach>  - branches in feedback page comments
[13:55] <dholbach>  - branches mentioned in uploaded text files
[13:55] <dholbach>  - source packages from ppas mentioned in feedback page comments
[13:55] <dholbach>  - source packages from ppas mentioned in uploaded text files
[13:56] <dholbach> that's it
[13:56] <dholbach> its output is here: http://appbot.holba.ch/log/log.txt and here: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-reviews
[13:56] <dholbach> oh and runs pkgme if necessary
[13:57] <dholbach> some of the imports were broken because it got confused by which import strategy it should follow
[13:57] <dholbach> but I hope I fixed that now
[13:57] <dholbach> and it pushes with --overwrite
[13:57] <dholbach> so I hope we'll be fine once its done
[13:59] <dholbach> didrocks, ^
[14:00] <didrocks> dholbach: oh wow :)
[14:00] <didrocks> you did get serious about it :)
[14:01] <didrocks> the comments on an entry is done in a special web?
[14:01] <dholbach> it'd be good if we just expected branches in myapps :)
[14:01] <dholbach> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/350/ → "Feedback" tab → https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/350/feedback/
[14:05] <didrocks> dholbach: so you prefer feedback inside a branch rather than in a web ui?
[14:06] <didrocks> dholbach: does anybody develop myapps still?
[14:06] <dholbach> yes, it's developed by the commercial apps team
[14:06] <dholbach> it'd be good to just have one branch we have to worry about
[14:08] <didrocks> yeah
[14:22] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: I set up http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi
[14:37] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, coolbhavi, highvoltage: does http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi look alright to you?
[14:38] <coolbhavi> dholbach, seems good here... :) thanks dholbach
[14:39] <dpm> looks good to me dholbach, I'd just add the exact steps how to do: 'get the source of a app showdown submission'
[14:40] <dholbach> yes, that's just a little bit less clear right now as the apps brancher is still running
[14:41] <coolbhavi> dpm, usually I have seen a source link or else I get it from a ppa if its there.. Please correct me if I'm wrong here
[14:41] <mhall119> dholbach: what is putting packages into ppa:ubuntu-app-review-contributors/ppa?
[14:41] <dholbach> mhall119, nothing, but arb-lint is there
[14:41] <mhall119> ah, ok
[14:42] <dholbach> I'll have a look at pictag
[14:43] <mhall119> coolbhavi: wendar: stgraber: ajmitch: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AofbdH5hl5CbdGxXQVFVXy1BTTI3NUY4a0F2bGFZSlE#gid=0 is what I've been using to track submissions so far
[14:52] <dholbach> didrocks, I just had a chat with an app submitter about his app and it seems like somewhere during his app development, the /opt changes in debian/rules were reverted: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/109545227/pictag_12.07.9_12.07.11.diff.gz
[14:52] <dholbach> any idea what might have caused this?
[14:53] <didrocks> dholbach: it's reverted if he doesn't use submitubuntu but just quickly share or quickly release
[14:53]  * didrocks notes down and "/opt mode"
[14:53] <dholbach> ok, so this might mean that we maybe run into other cases where this has happened
[14:54] <didrocks> yeah, if people doesn't use the same command
[14:54] <dholbach> ok, I'll bear that in mind for the reviews
[14:54] <didrocks> dholbach: interesting case, I'm adding a note about a swith to keep it into /opt :)
[14:54] <dholbach> I'll add it to the pad
[14:57] <dholbach> added to http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi
[14:58] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[14:58] <PaoloRotolo> ciao dholbach :)
[14:58] <dholbach> come stai?
[14:58] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, bene ;)
[14:58] <dholbach> didrocks, do we have an example of a good --extras debian/rules online somewhere?
[15:02] <mhall119> dholbach: how does apps-brancher pick which package and version in a PPA to use?
[15:02] <dholbach> the newest version and the package based on what's in myapps
[15:03] <mhall119> dholbach: um, we might have a problem...
[15:03] <mhall119> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1141/ is for 'webbar', but when I click the uploaded file, it's got info for gtkreddit
[15:07] <dholbach> let me have a look
[15:07] <dholbach> ah yes
[15:08] <dholbach> it might be worth checking in with the CA team
[15:08] <dholbach> it might be some overly aggressive caching
[15:08] <dholbach> or a bug
[15:08] <dholbach> or a problem of the submitter (too much copy/paste) :)
[15:09] <dholbach> it seems like the apps-brancher finished, I'll have it have a go again and see what happens
[15:10] <mhall119> dholbach: looks to be different submitters, so I'm thinking a bug in the upload
[15:15] <dholbach> didrocks, did we decide what we do with .rtupdate files?
[15:15] <dholbach> bah, barry and doko are still not around
[15:16] <didrocks> dholbach: well, it's not really needed TBH, but I see no objection of keeping it for now
[15:16] <dholbach> ^ ajmitch, highvoltage, stgraber, wendar, coolbhavi: we have a bit of a problem with .rtupdate files - I'd like to have your opinion
[15:16] <dholbach> we have for example files like usr/share/python/runtime.d/protoborsa.rtupdate
[15:16] <didrocks> and when the times come, we can see fixing that directly in dh_python
[15:16] <dholbach> ...created by dh_python2 - it seems like they are only needed in case a new python is installed
[15:17] <didrocks> it is, I made some more research this week-end
[15:17] <didrocks> and it's the case
[15:17] <dholbach> I filed a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-distutils-extra/+bug/1021207
[15:17] <dholbach> ok, in that case I'll just write a small snippet to remove the file and make a note of it in the arb-lint warning
[15:17] <dholbach> so we can fix them
[15:17] <dholbach> and still get them into the software center
[15:21] <didrocks> dholbach: why do you want to remove them?
[15:21] <mhall119> dholbach: if you see another mismatch between submission app and uploaded file app, let me know and I'll file a bug against this
[15:21] <mhall119> noodles says it's possible there's a race condition in the upload
[15:21] <didrocks> it's making no more harm than a desktop file AFAIK :)
[15:21] <dholbach> mhall119, cool
[15:21] <mhall119> a second example should confirm that
[15:22] <dholbach> didrocks, the TB was unhappy with files outside /opt
[15:22]  * didrocks will get the /opt killed soon :)
[15:22] <didrocks> it's really a hack
[15:22] <didrocks> not supported
[15:22] <didrocks> I told it from day 0
[15:22] <dholbach> so I'd prefer to get the app in before having to go through another few weeks of discussion
[15:22] <dholbach> didrocks, you're not alone
[15:22] <didrocks> dholbach: I have strong args now :)
[15:23] <dholbach> haha
[15:23] <mhall119> didrocks: if you can kill /opt/, I'll buy you a beer at UDS
[15:23] <mhall119> two even
[15:23] <mhall119> and a nice beer, not the cheap ones
[15:23]  * didrocks has 3 beers proposal today :)
[15:23] <didrocks> I will get drunk at UDS :)
[15:24] <highvoltage> good morning dholbach
[15:24] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[15:34] <mhall119> dholbach: please check https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-app-review-contributors/ubuntu-app-reviews/adbassist
[15:34] <mhall119> it seems to have code for a different project
[15:35] <coolbhavi> dpm, I just copied you on a app submission mail query
[15:35] <dholbach> mhall119, in a sec
[15:35] <dholbach> just need to update arb-lint for the .rtupdate thing
[15:36] <dholbach> I also updated http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi
[15:38] <coolbhavi> mhall119, right it shows tagplayer
[15:39] <dholbach> mhall119, coolbhavi: adbassist fixed - please let me know when you should run into any of these
[15:40] <coolbhavi> sure dholbach let me checkout
[15:40] <dholbach> (or: check out the apps-brancher, read the readme file and ./retry https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/<nr>/) :-)
[15:42] <mhall119> dholbach: thanks
[15:42]  * dholbach will have a look at Slidewall
[15:42] <mhall119> coolbhavi: PM me your email and I'll give you write access to the spreadsheet
[15:43] <dpm> coolbhavi, replied, thanks!
[15:44] <coolbhavi> thanks dpm!
[15:51] <dholbach> I put another few small updates into http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi
[15:54] <dholbach> slidewall looks like it's ready :)
[15:57]  * dholbach sent a vote mail to the ARB
[15:57]  * dholbach has a look at lightread
[16:03] <highvoltage> nice
[16:04] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, do we still use XB-Screenshot-Url and other XB fields
[16:04] <coolbhavi> ?
[16:05] <dholbach> lightread is unfortunately not ready yet
[16:08]  * dholbach has a look at miv
[16:13]  * PaoloRotolo has a look at cuttlefish
[16:13] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, arb-lint says that "the app might be too big to be reviewed by the ARB."
[16:13] <dholbach> PaoloRotolo, how big is it?
[16:14] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, It has 33 source  files and 3838 lines of code.
[16:14] <PaoloRotolo> (arb-lint says this)
[16:14] <PaoloRotolo> that*
[16:14] <dholbach> maybe that's not too bad then :)
[16:14] <dholbach> feel free to ignore what arb-lint says :)
[16:15] <dholbach> miv is not ready either :/
[16:15] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, ok,thanks :) Can we change 'copyright' now?
[16:16] <dholbach> PaoloRotolo, it's not necessary
[16:16] <dholbach> we talked about it a couple of days ago
[16:16] <dholbach> have a look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi - I tried to clarify the process for reviewing a bit
[16:16] <dholbach> let me know if anything on there is not clear enough
[16:17]  * dholbach has a look at "correct me"
[16:18] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, I read your mail, and you have modified the copyright in Slidewall
[16:18] <dholbach> PaoloRotolo, ah ok, yes - you're right
[16:18] <dholbach> that was just a few wrong entries
[16:18] <wendar> dholbach: what's that with the .rtupdate files?
[16:18] <dholbach> not an update to DEP5
[16:19] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, sure, thanks
[16:19] <dholbach> wendar, they get created by dh_python2, seem to be only run (if at all) by the python{,3} maintainer scripts if an update to a new version happens - they are placed in usr/lib
[16:20] <wendar> dholbach: we mostly don't use dh_python2
[16:20] <wendar> dholbach: we don't actually use any of its features for arb apps
[16:20] <wendar> dholbach: and, it does have a nasty habit of leaving files outside /opt
[16:20] <dholbach> wendar, most of the current apps produced with quickly have it and the only files I found this time were these .rtupdate files
[16:21] <wendar> dholbach: we can probably give those a pass for quickly this cycle
[16:21] <wendar> dholbach: see if we can tweak quickly for next cycle
[16:23] <dholbach> wendar, so you'd say we just ignore the existence of the usr/share/python/runtime.d/*.rtupdate files?
[16:24]  * dholbach has a look at TickIt
[16:25] <wendar> dholbach: yes, I think they fit the general category of files that currenly only work outside of /opt
[16:25] <wendar> dholbach: which, we have a general exception for
[16:25] <dholbach> ok, works for me
[16:25] <dholbach> I'll update arb-lint to not complain about them
[16:25] <wendar> dholbach: though, it's worth checking if they actually do work outside of opt
[16:26] <wendar> keep the check in arb-lint though
[16:26] <dholbach> yes, I'll just rephrase it to indicate that nothing needs to be changed
[16:26] <PaoloRotolo> Ok, cuttlefish is ready for me :) I'm writing a mail
[16:26] <wendar> or, can you make it skip the check on quickly apps?
[16:26] <wendar> (do you have a way to tell in arb-lint if you're dealing with a quickly app?)
[16:27] <dholbach> wendar, I'll test if there's a .quickly file
[16:27] <dholbach> will let you know in a bit
[16:27] <wendar> dholbach: sounds good
[16:27] <dholbach> wendar, does http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi roughly look OK to you for reviewing the app showdown apps?
[16:28] <wendar> dholbach: ack, sorry, I don't have my Ubuntu SSO password here at work
[16:28] <dholbach> hang on
[16:29] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1083017/
[16:31] <wendar> dholbach: that looks good
[16:32] <dholbach> sweet
[16:32] <dholbach> thanks
[16:32] <wendar> dholbach: maybe a little more explicit that arb-lint errors, or missing the guidelines listed are reasons to hold or fix the package?
[16:32] <wendar> dholbach: and then, include instructions on how to submit the app for vote
[16:32] <didrocks> wendar: hey ;)
[16:33] <wendar> dholbach: (no more complicated than sending an email to the app-review-board mailing list)
[16:33] <dholbach> wendar, yes, I guess that's what we're currently in the process of figuring out: what constitutes a "no go", what can be fixed easily in a separate branch and put to vote, etc
[16:33] <wendar> didrocks: hiya!
[16:33] <dholbach> I just started putting the instructions together a while ago
[16:33] <didrocks> wendar: I plan doing some Quickly hangouts next week (once the review is near the end) on a big refactoring and focus change. I want the ARB to be onboard with this, will you want to join?
[16:33] <didrocks> would*
[16:33] <wendar> dholbach: they look great, thanks!
[16:34] <dholbach> wendar, I changed arb-lint to stop complaining about .rtupdate files originating from quickly apps
[16:34] <wendar> dholbach: if we're not sure yet what's a holdable issue, could the ARB board offer to be available on IRC to answer questions from the arb-contributors?
[16:35] <dholbach> sure, everybody who reviews these apps is currently in here, so I guess you'll be pinged :)
[16:35] <wendar> didrocks: next week is OSCON, so my schedule may be a little tricky
[16:35] <wendar> didrocks: but, if I know the times in advance, I can plan to find a quiet room for the hangout
[16:35] <didrocks> wendar: hum ok, would you want to send an email? (or maybe we'll be able to do other hangouts later on)
[16:35] <didrocks> wendar: let's try that :)
[16:35] <didrocks> I plan to have 3/4 ones
[16:35] <wendar> didrocks: (as long as it's not right during my talk :)
[16:35] <didrocks> the first one being the ARB
[16:36] <didrocks> wendar: let's try to be reasonable :)
[16:36] <wendar> didrocks: that sounds cool
[16:37] <wendar> dholbach: hopefully, we can convert any questions into a helpful wiki page, so future arb-contributors have an easier startup
[16:38] <dholbach> agreed
[16:39] <wendar> dholbach: oh, and feel free to put your instructions up on the wiki in the AppReviewBoard/Review/... space
[16:39] <dholbach> sure, once they've settled down a bit :)
[16:40] <wendar> dholbach: yup, whenever you're comfortable posting them
[16:40] <dholbach> will do
[16:42]  * dholbach has a look at indicator-odometer
[16:45] <dpm> it seems Facebook has now been open-sourced and moved development to Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/facebook :-)
[16:47] <dholbach> indicator-odometer is not ready yet :/
[16:47]  * dholbach has a look at liberedit
[16:49] <dholbach> crêpe suzette - this is an interesting build failure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1083044/
[16:49] <dholbach> didrocks, ^
[16:50]  * didrocks wants crêpe :)
[16:51] <didrocks> dholbach: shouldn't it be rather Gtk.TreeStore.new(str, str)
[16:51] <didrocks> ?
[16:51] <dholbach> didrocks, I don't know - but I can ask the submitter - I was just surprised than any of this would happen during the build
[16:52] <didrocks> dholbach: oh, this can happens, because during the build, python-distutils-extra has to import the modules
[16:52] <didrocks> to detect the dependencies
[16:53] <stgraber> dholbach: for slidewall: No name for the copyright holder? Why is there multiple entries in debian/changelog? Pretty bad English in short-description/description. debian/compat and debian/control don't seem to agree on the debhelper version.
[16:53] <didrocks> so some code can run if they want code running on import
[16:53] <didrocks> (which is a bad practice)
[16:56] <dholbach> stgraber, multiple entries because of quickly, ppas, etc - sorry - I'll fix it
[16:57] <dholbach> looks like it will be harder to get any of the apps in - I'll see which kinds of checks I can put into arb-lint
[17:00] <dpm> man it's now the 4th app I review for voting that has the participation details containing data from another app...
[17:02] <stgraber> :)
[17:03] <dholbach> didrocks, can we have something which forces quickly users to enter their name and email address? :)
[17:03] <didrocks> dholbach: well, it's forcing to use launchpad :)
[17:03] <didrocks> and it has the email address then
[17:04] <dholbach> some had their real name missing in debian/changelog, etc
[17:04] <didrocks> why? people are not providing them publically on lp neither in the submission?
[17:04] <dholbach> but maybe they were corner cases
[17:04] <didrocks> it should use as DEBEMAIL the name they put
[17:04] <didrocks> for quickly :)
[17:04] <didrocks> (and launchpad ;))
[17:06] <dholbach> ok, I'll keep an eye out to see if there's more cases
[17:06] <dholbach> stgraber, updated the branch
[17:08]  * dholbach has a look at Qtiko
[17:12] <stgraber> W: slidewall source: unused-build-dependency-on-cdbs
[17:13] <dholbach> stgraber, fixed
[17:13] <stgraber> W: slidewall source: ancient-standards-version 3.8.3 (current is 3.9.3)
[17:13] <stgraber> dholbach: ^
[17:13] <stgraber> dholbach: similar to what I said to Paolo by e-mail, you also bundle a python/runtime.d directory in the binary package, the directory is empty but it still shouldn't be there
[17:13] <stgraber> the rest, AFAICT looks good
[17:13] <stgraber> (haven't run it, just checked pre/post build)
[17:13] <dholbach> stgraber, I just talked to wendar and she said that it'd be fine to leave it in there
[17:14] <dholbach> and fixed the standards-version too
[17:15] <stgraber> dholbach: so, I'm not against allowing the .rtupdate files as they are indeed useful in case of a python upgrade, but I'm clearly against shipping an empty directory
[17:16] <dholbach> ok, I'll put the file back
[17:16] <stgraber> so you either ship it or remove it completely, but the current situation in both your packaging and Paolo is somewhere in the middle (letting dh create /usr/share/python/runtime.d/ but removing its content)
[17:16] <dholbach> fixed
[17:19] <stgraber> dholbach: +1ed
[17:20] <dholbach> yeeehaw
[17:20] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[17:20] <stgraber> dholbach: is that quicky generating broken packaging? I notice a lot of similarities between your packaging and Paolo's
[17:21] <dholbach> stgraber, some folks might have used older versions of quickly/p-d-e
[17:21] <dholbach> some fixes are still in -proposed, etc
[17:22] <dholbach> this app showdown was/is going to be a stress test for a lot of pieces in the puzzle :)
[17:24] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm: I updated http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi as far as I could and sent a couple of reviews in
[17:24] <dholbach> I'll have a quick stab at trying to fix some of the bugs in arb-lint
[17:25] <dholbach> but then will soon go to grab dinner and call it a day
[17:42] <mhall119> dholbach: didrocks: did you guys see we got an AppArmour GUI as one of the submissions?
[17:42] <dholbach> nice
[17:42] <didrocks> mhall119: oh, I didn't! really really nice indeed :)
[17:43] <mhall119> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1222/
[17:44] <dpm> dholbach, ok
[17:45] <dpm> mhall119, I saw that one too, I thought it was pretty cool!
[17:52] <dholbach> can somebody add http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi for the app showdown review dance to the /topic?
[17:52] <dholbach> ... please ... :)
[17:53]  * dholbach has a look at pictag again
[18:09] <dpm> mhall119, the PPA column is now complete on the spreadsheet, so it should be ready for csv export. How are you getting on with the script?
[18:09] <dholbach> alright my friends
[18:09] <dholbach> time to call it a day
[18:09] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[18:10] <mhall119> dpm: in progress, using a bunch of dholbach's code
[18:10] <mhall119> bye dholbach
[18:10] <dpm> mhall119, cool, thanks. So do you think it might work and might be a good way to install the PPAs?
[18:11] <dpm> well, the packages from ppas, I mean
[18:11] <dholbach> :)
[18:12] <dpm> btw, we've got nearly 140 apps for the contest!
[18:21] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, once I get the info I can make a script to do whatever we want
[18:29] <dpm> great
[18:45] <mhall119> 143 known apps, 130 submitted
[18:59] <mhall119> FYI, we're having some problems with the uploaded file links: https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1022697
[20:55] <ajmitch> so looking at the queue now, we don't get to sleep this week, I guess
[21:21] <stgraber> ajmitch: and for the next year or so ;)
[21:27] <wendar> ajmitch: it's pretty intense
[21:27] <wendar> ajmitch: I'd say the only way it's going to happen is if the arb-contributors handle it
[21:28] <wendar> ajmitch: and also, that we (ARB board) should prioritize older apps, and apps that aren't part of the showdown
[21:28] <ajmitch> we still nee to have time to review & vote everything that comes through
[21:29] <wendar> ajmitch: dholbach has got a good handle on the showdown, and I suspect could bring some work hours to bear on them
[21:29] <ajmitch> right, he's done a lot for organising that
[21:29] <wendar> ajmitch: true, but in theory they'll be lighter reviews, since they're (all?) quickly apps, and have already been arb-linted
[21:29] <ajmitch> we're still the only people who can approve & upload :)
[21:30] <wendar> ajmitch: and, if we find an issue, we can flag it and let the arb-contributors know to hold all apps that have that problem
[21:30] <wendar> ajmitch: it's adaptive pre-filtering on what we see :)
[21:30] <stgraber> yeah, so far I caused 3 fixes in arb-lint today ;)
[21:31] <wendar> ajmitch: still, agreed, I don't know how we're going to manage it
[21:31] <stgraber> I'll have to find new things to be picky about ;)
[21:31] <wendar> ajmitch: and I'm pretty much out of commission until my talk at OSCON next week
[21:31] <ajmitch> this app showdown has certainly found a few interesting bugs in quickly & related bits
[21:31] <ajmitch> wendar: fair enough :)
[21:31] <wendar> ajmitch: though, after the talk, I've got nothing else but astrophysics on my plate :)
[21:31] <ajmitch> heh
[21:31] <ajmitch> that sounds fun
[21:32] <wendar> (in non-work hours, anyway)
[21:32] <wendar> it is fun :)
[21:32]  * ajmitch has nothing except helping organise a conference - that doesn't take much time, right? :)
[21:32] <wendar> ha, ha, famous last words :)
[21:32] <wendar> which conference?
[21:32] <ajmitch> kiwi pycon
[21:32] <wendar> sweet!
[22:27] <mhall119> wendar: ajmitch: can you guys change "Suggested package name" in MyApps?
[22:28] <mhall119> or is that only for the submitter?
[22:29] <wendar> mhall119: we can't change suggested package name, but we set the actual released package name
[22:30] <mhall119> ok
[22:33] <mhall119> w 61
[22:34] <ajmitch> mhall119: running into issues with odd data being submitted?
[22:38] <mhall119> ajmitch: just people either not grokking the purpose of the field, or it just not matching the name of the package in their PPA
[22:40]  * ajmitch did see some submissions where they put their own name in the application name field


[16:58] <nhandler> As a heads up, I'm going on vacation tomorrow until the 1st. I am not sure how much I am online, so I might not be able to get news posted on the fridge.
[17:01] <akgraner> nhandler, no newletter this week...
[17:01] <akgraner> newsletter even
[17:01] <nhandler> I know. But I bet there will be some news or announcements that need to get posted on the fridge ;)
[17:06] <akgraner> :-)
[17:27] <popey> I'll be around
[17:27] <popey> I have a fridge logon if you need it


[04:45] <bbs> hello
[06:57] <ara> morning all!
[15:05] <sbeattie> davmor2: was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/314263 what you were seeing when you were tring to file a bug through apport?
[15:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 314263 in glib2.0 "regression - URIs opened with firefox %u load as local files (file:///...)" [High,Confirmed]
[15:06] <davmor2> sbeattie: yes I think so charlie-tca pointed me at it the other day I think
[15:06] <davmor2> yes it is :)
[15:07] <sbeattie> okay, thanks. There's a release meeting going on over in #ubuntu-meeting (for which I'm duly unprepared), but that's one I'll raise
[15:07] <davmor2> :)
[15:07] <davmor2> I'm looking in too :)
[15:08] <sbeattie> any other issues I should raise? looking at your smoketesting page, not seeing too much of concern.


[18:14] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[18:15] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[18:15] <zaki> how are you ?
[18:16] <pavlushka> zaki: good, you?
[18:16] <zaki> pavlushka, i'm fine
[18:17] <pavlushka> zaki: are in ctg, right?
[18:17] <zaki> yes
[18:17]  * pavlushka knows where zaki is from
[18:17] <zaki> pavlushka, any reason ? :D
[18:17] <pavlushka> zaki: lucky you
[18:19] <zaki> pavlushka, ??


[00:03] <Ponch0> darkxt: thanks a much. let me mess around with it.
[00:05] <jbicha> darkxst: you think it's ok to run g-c-c 3.6 with g-s-d 3.8?
[00:05] <Ponch0> nope none of the themes changed it.
[00:05] <darkxst> jbicha, yes, just a few minor dbus changes
[00:06] <darkxst> I believe
[00:06] <darkxst> was acutally talking to seb yesterday about that, he is still not sure if they will fork g-c-c 3.6 or use 3.8
[00:08] <jbicha> darkxst: I'm not sure they're happy with GNOME's direction
[00:08] <darkxst> so suggest we go for just g-s-d 3.8 first
[00:08] <jbicha> for instance https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText
[00:09] <jbicha> I think they want their phone system settings to look like the laptop system settings but the Ubuntu people aren't running 3.8
[00:10] <jbicha> if they want to control that integration they may have to fork
[00:11] <jbicha> I mean Elementary & Cinnamon already forked their own settings panels
[00:11] <darkxst> and its probably better for us if they fork
[00:38] <darkxst> jbicha, have you seen the evolution-calendar-factory and evolution-source-registry crashes since removing UOA?
[00:43] <jbicha> darkxst: I'm not sure, I don't have anything for those in /var/crash/ since yesterday but I just might not have triggered it yet
[06:20] <darkxst> jbicha, does my gnome-shell upgrade for Q break all records now ;)
[06:21] <darkxst> ~4.5 months it took!
[06:22] <jbicha> the final bug that needed confirming wasn't the SRU team's fault though
[06:23] <jbicha> but the 2 months where it was just waiting in the queue was too much
[06:23] <darkxst> was in the queue for more than 2 months
[06:26] <darkxst> jbicha, whats with this? there have been half a dozen packages SRU'ed through that bug without paperwork and now I am supposed to add some? https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/raring/gdm/lp982889/+merge/166402
[07:31] <Noskcaj> Can someone add ubuntu Gnome to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/#QA_related_teams
[11:58] <meet> Am on 13.04. It is freezing a lot.
[12:00] <meet> like everytime i open the activities overview and try to search for an app, it freezes for a while. When i click on the app, it freezes again. Also, gnome shell keeps on crashing. How do I find the cause?
[14:52] <SonikkuAmerica> I wonder why some of the other GNOME apps (Boxes, Clocks, Chess, Documents, etc.) aren't installed by default in Ubuntu GNOME. Design choice?
[14:52] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: maybe that should be on our faq
[14:53] <jbicha> Boxes isn't installed by default because it requires hardware virtualization support and in my experience isn't necessarily reliable
[14:53] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: It should be! :)
[14:54] <jbicha> it's also not the kind of app the "average person" uses
[14:54] <jbicha> Clocks is nice but I'm really annoyed that you have to keep the app open for alarms to work
[14:54] <jbicha> Documents is included as of 13.04
[14:55] <jbicha> Chess and other gnome-games were dropped by default in 13.04 (but were in 12.10) to keep the install from being too "bloated"
[14:55] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: Updated Live image? My Live image didn't have it installed. (I just installed it today from an image I got via cdimage.u.c (BitTorrent)...
[14:55] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: which release?
[14:57] <SonikkuAmerica> 13.04
[14:57] <SonikkuAmerica> (That's what lsb_release -a told me)
[14:57] <jbicha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/release/ubuntu-gnome-13.04-desktop-i386.manifest says gnome-documents is included
[14:58] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: That might be the problem... mine is amd64
[14:58] <jbicha> ok, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/release/ubuntu-gnome-13.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[14:58] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: It must not have been included by accident...?
[14:58] <SonikkuAmerica> No, it's there... Strange, isn't it?
[15:01] <jbicha> I think we'll include gnome-weather with 13.10
[15:01] <jbicha> I really like Clocks but that bug/missing feature makes me hesitant to include it by default
[15:03] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha: What it needs is an indicator.
[15:44] <bjsnider> so the way the weather app works, if it is an app it must work this way, is that you have to seek it out and launch it to look at the weather?
[15:45] <bjsnider> i'd rather have it always there attached to the desktop in some way than have a big clunky window to open and close
[20:27] <bjsnider> the extensions package isn't working. most extensions not showing up in tweak-tool
[20:28] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: I assume you rebooted...
[20:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Uh-oh. If I don't run [ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ] real fast I'mma have a broken system.
[20:29] <SonikkuAmerica> I have to reboot anyway.
[20:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Ooh... they messed with the shell again. No more "see apps by category," I take it. O_o
[20:34] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: My shell extensions showed up just fine after a reboot.
[20:34] <bjsnider> all of them?
[20:34] <bjsnider> i'm only getting a few
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: Which ones do you have?
[20:36] <bjsnider> 4, plus one i installed that's not part of the core package
[20:36] <bjsnider> maybe i should just install the core package from git, like always
[20:37] <bjsnider> never tried it from a package before
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-extensions ] I assume that's the command you ran?
[20:38] <bjsnider> i aon't no rook
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Well you seem to be a pawn of a bad install... that's all I can think of. :)
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: Do you have the GNOME 3 PPA enabled? (I do, does it make a difference with this package?)
[20:50] <bjsnider> message = '"Missing metadata.json"'
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Hm.
[20:58] <bjsnider> fixed it
[20:58] <bjsnider> no big deal
[21:20] <back_> hi all. Sorry for my english i want to ask you if is there anybody to helps me. I want to try install ubuntu(with gnome-shell) to my new pc. But if i chose option in live cd " try to ubuntu.." Ubuntu boots then loading the shell. I see the Activities, mouse can move but i can not to click on activitis.. Nothing to works.
[21:20] <back_> i have i7 CPU and i chose AMD64- version of ubuntu
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> back_: OK. Those are good choices... can you try booting your Live image with nomodeset?
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> !nomodeset
[21:45] <back_> SonikkuAmerica:  i try it
[21:45] <back_> i will try it *
[21:48] <back_> reboot&&try nomodeset


[08:30] <bencer> i've tried to dget linux_2.6.24-27.69.dsc from lp several times and always orig.tar.gz files on file size, could be corrupted there ?
[08:34] <wgrant> bencer: Which link were you using?
[08:34] <bencer> wgrant: dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/linux_2.6.24-27.69.dsc
[08:35] <wgrant> bencer: That's... slightly concerning.
[08:36] <wgrant> Let's see.
[08:36] <bencer> dpkg-source: error: File ./linux_2.6.24.orig.tar.gz has size 59078927 instead of expected 59085601
[08:36] <wgrant> Yeah, I get the same.
[08:46] <bencer> wgrant: any idea on what's wrong ? who could fix that ?
[08:48] <wgrant> bencer: I'm digging around, but I suspect I need someone with more access.
[08:49] <wgrant> bigjools: There appear to be two linux_2.6.24.orig.tar.gzs in the primary archive. This is probably bad.
[08:49] <bigjools> Oo
[08:49] <bigjools> different md5?
[08:49] <wgrant> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/search?digest=ccccdc4759fd780a028000a1b7b15dbd9c60363b and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/search?digest=b7b63f52551f9e4bf2e5ba902f8385fbefc5d80c
[08:50] <bigjools> fuck sake
[08:50] <wgrant> ccccdc4759fd780a028000a1b7b15dbd9c60363b is in the a.u.c pool.
[08:50] <wgrant> But the first one returned by getFileByName is b7b63[...]
[08:51] <wgrant> Can you tell which SPRs reference the latter one?
[08:51]  * bigjools does some sql fu
[08:51] <wgrant> All updates seem to use the former, and it's in the pool, which suggests that the latter was present early on and then deleted.
[08:52] <wgrant> bigjools: Thanks.
[08:52] <wgrant> StevenK: This is why we need your fixes!
[08:52] <wgrant> Also, the data model sucks.
[08:52]  * StevenK is investigating so he can do some QA with and without his branch
[08:53] <wgrant> How'd that go last night?
[08:53] <StevenK> wgrant: I faceplanted after I got tests passing and pushed
[08:53] <wgrant> Heh, good policy.
[08:53]  * wgrant looks.
[09:04] <wgrant> Is loggerhead dead?
[09:07] <spm> yup
[09:07] <spm> wgrant: give it a whirl now?
[09:07] <wgrant> Still sucks, but that might be the UDS proxy...
[09:07] <wgrant> Yes, works now.
[09:08] <wgrant> Thanks.
[09:09] <bigjools> wgrant: b7b63f52551f9e4bf2e5ba902f8385fbefc5d80c is referenced by a superseded package
[09:10] <wgrant> bigjools: That should still be impossible :/
[09:10] <bigjools> not entirely sure how we managed to do that
[09:10] <wgrant> It's easy to do.
[09:10] <wgrant> Even after StevenK's work.
[09:10] <bigjools> my point :)
[09:11] <bigjools> 2.6.24-5.9 is the superseded version of linux
[09:12] <wgrant> I guess it was deleted before the followupWas it deletHm. It wasn't deleted?
[09:12] <bigjools> and now I need to stop typing until my pain meds kick in
[09:12] <wgrant> Er, what.
[09:12] <wgrant> Ctrl+U did not work :(
[09:12] <wgrant> So, I wouldn't have expected the different orig.tar.gz to be accepted unless all the old ones had been Deleted.
[09:16] <bencer> wgrant: could you ping me back when you fix the linux source package thing ?
[09:17] <wgrant> bencer: I can't fix it. It's not compeletely possible to fix. Try http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.24.orig.tar.gz instead.
[09:47] <Piotras> Hi! Anyone willing to help with signing PPA CoC ?
[09:51] <jml> nigelbabu, popey: the login cert looks just fine to me
[09:51] <nigelbabu> jml: was fixed earlier :)
[09:52] <nigelbabu> jml: wgrant popped in and asked the good folks at #canonical-sysadmin :)
[09:52] <jml> nigelbabu, good good :)
[09:52] <nigelbabu> jml: can you remind jcastro I mailed him stuff he might want to look at before the Lp patch session?
[09:52] <nigelbabu> (or i'll have to say tht through IRC)
[09:55] <jml> nigelbabu, if I see him, I will
[09:56] <nigelbabu> jml: thanks :)
[10:21] <easter_egg> henninge, good morning o/
[10:21] <easter_egg> buenos dias \o
[10:22] <easter_egg> bonne journée \o/
[10:22] <easter_egg> buongiorno /o/
[10:22] <easter_egg> ohaio gossaimassay!
[10:23] <easter_egg> Zao Chen Hao \o\
[10:27] <Piotras> who can I ask to reactivate CoC signature?
[10:29] <Piotras> stub, can you reactivate CoC signature?
[10:35] <easter_egg> henninge, XD
[10:36] <henninge> easter_egg: Hi! ;)
[10:36] <easter_egg> you lost my happy good morning ;~
[10:36] <easter_egg> henninge, hi =]
[10:36] <henninge> easter_egg: I am busy right now, sorry. :/
[10:37] <easter_egg> you readed my e-mail?
[10:37] <easter_egg> read*
[11:05] <rdz> hi all. is this the right channel for ppa packaging related questions?
[11:06] <noodles775> rdz, it depends on the question (ie. if it's specific to ppas), but shoot :) ).
[11:07] <rdz> noodles775, thanks
[11:08] <rdz> how can a src package be published in many series? do i have to upload several times, while each time changing the package name and adapting debian/changelog?
[11:09] <bigjools> copy it between series
[11:09] <rdz> bigjools, yeah, but then it says, that package with the same name already exists
[11:09] <bigjools> upload to the oldest series and promote it upwards, assuming the code still works
[11:09] <bigjools> copy with binaries?
[11:10] <rdz> bigjools, sorry, but i still don't get it: when i copy from myppa to myppa, i will always trigger that error.. no?
[11:11] <bigjools> rdz: as long as the same version doesn't exist it should work
[11:12] <bigjools> intra-archive copying that is
[11:12] <bigjools> but you need to specify which series to copy to of course
[11:12] <rdz> yeah, of course...
[11:12] <rdz> bigjools, so you say that this should work, when i start at the lowest series....
[11:12] <rdz> and copy it upwards
[11:12]  * bigjools wonders if you're hitting StevenK's bug :)
[11:13] <rdz> i don't know about StevenK's bug
[11:13] <bigjools> he does :D
[11:13] <rdz> what i don't get: is copy mechanism supposed to rename packaga sources, when they're copied intra-ppa?
[11:14] <bigjools> no, it just re-publishes the sources and binaries in the new series
[11:14] <rdz> but the changelog will still mention only the original series?
[11:15] <maxb> yes
[11:15] <maxb> and the effect of StevenK's bug is that copying is basically broken right now, in all but a few edge cases
[11:15] <rdz> hm..ok thanks
[11:16] <rdz> maxb, good to know.... so i am happy now, that i came ask here..:-)
[11:18] <easter_egg> henninge, I created a new account and requested to merge again
[11:18] <easter_egg> Something is strange
[11:18] <easter_egg> I received two of tree e-mail confirmations
[11:18] <rdz> then i have another problem: the package i want to publish in my ppa depends on a version of another package, that is only available in lucid upwards. however, i would like to provide my package also for karmic and downwards. is there a way to simply copy the package src of that package from ubuntu lucid to myppa karmic etc?
[11:18] <easter_egg> three*
[11:19] <easter_egg> henninge, the three e-mail is the @googlemail.com
[11:19] <easter_egg> is my account? Or today the launchpad is getting some trouble to send emails to gmail?
[11:20] <henninge> easter_egg: the problem is not in the Launchpad accounts but in the openID authentication. I have been trying to get somedoy who can help with that.
[11:20] <bigjools> rdz: you can, yes, but there's no guarantee it will work
[11:20] <bigjools> backporting is a bit of an art
[11:20] <rdz> bigjools, what you mean? and how can i do it? the 'copy package' site doesn't let me choose from ubuntu
[11:21] <rdz> bigjools, you mean , when this package has itself other depencencies as well?
[11:21] <bigjools> yes, it's not supported really since the web UI will time out
[11:21] <bigjools> there's a hidden URL, you can use it if you can find it :)
[11:22] <rdz> i mean, the not so nice/smart way is to download the sources to my box and make a src package myself..
[11:22] <bigjools> for this sort of question you're better off talking to a MOTU
[11:22] <rdz> bigjools, ok. thanks
[11:22] <bigjools> np
[11:22] <bigjools> hope it works out for you
[11:27] <easter_egg> henninge, I hope it will be work now. I will tell you later...
[11:37] <easter_egg> I have another problem now
[11:38] <easter_egg> I can't activate the mailing list of the team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-br.am/+mailinglist
[11:39] <easter_egg> why?
[11:40] <wgrant> easter_egg: Whta does it do when you try?
[11:40] <maxb> rdz: Actually, downloading the source package and editing it *is* the nice way
[11:40] <easter_egg> This team's mailing list is being deactivated.
[11:40] <maxb> First, you really really should use a unique version when you backport something
[11:40] <easter_egg> wgrant, this
[11:40] <maxb> To distinguish it from the real lucid build
[11:41] <easter_egg> I'm not the team owner, but I have admin permissions...
[11:41] <easter_egg> maybe it can be the cause?
[11:41] <maxb> Second, it's quite possible you may have to tweak things to make it build in older distroseries
[11:46] <easter_egg> wgrant, ?
[11:50] <wgrant> easter_egg: It sounds like one of the backend processes isn't working at the moment.
[11:50] <easter_egg> lol
[11:50] <easter_egg> wgrant, I will try later
[11:53] <rdz> maxb, i see. thanks!
[11:55] <rdz> maxb, would it be correct, when the original lucid package's version still supersedes the version of my ppa's pacakge?
[11:55] <easter_egg> henninge, my account is working now after the new merging..
[11:55] <maxb> I don't understand that question
[11:55] <easter_egg> but I need two things to totally fix this
[11:56] <easter_egg> in fact, just one thing =]
[11:56] <easter_egg> someone from login.ubuntu.com here?
[12:06] <maxb> easter_egg: No, those people are never on IRC. Which rather sucks.
[12:06] <easter_egg> ;P
[12:06] <easter_egg> I need that someone delete two thinks to me
[12:13] <rdz> "<maxb> First, you really really should use a unique version when you backport something". I got the version should differ, but what would be better? if the backported version is lower or higher than the original lucid package's version?
[12:14] <maxb> It should most definitely be lower. This is so that when someone with your backport installed upgrades to lucid, it is properly replaced by the lucid version
[12:15] <maxb> This is usually accomplished via the useful feature that ~ in a version string is special, being less than 'end of string'
[12:15] <maxb> i.e. if lucid carries 1.0-1, a typical backport looks like 1.0-1~hardy1
[12:16] <maxb> The fact that ubuntu releases are named in alphabetic order ensures that upgrades between backports targetted at different series works
[12:22] <rdz> maxb, many thanks.. that makes a lot of sense to me
[13:21] <lifeless> barry: http://gems.github.com/ - follow both links
[14:53] <easter_egg> when I be activate the mailing list of this team? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-br.am/+mailinglist
[14:53] <easter_egg> its look like strange
[14:54] <easter_egg> henninge, thanks for help... I sended an email to you with the question answered
[14:55] <henninge> easter_egg: I saw that. Glad it finally works for you! I am sorry for the trouble. :)
[14:56] <easter_egg> henninge, no problem.. I will try to contribute to launchpad for help with problems like that
[14:56] <easter_egg> somehow, the bug still exists, so I still have work ahead
[14:58] <easter_egg> for now, I got joined in all the groups that the brazilian council suggests and joined and another teams like launchpad-beta-testers =]
[15:00] <easter_egg> henninge, I'll sleep a little. Later I will work and then come back to study the launchpad
[15:01] <easter_egg> have a nice day
[15:01] <easter_egg> good bye
[15:28] <gnomefreak> timeing out :)
[15:31] <gnomefreak> anyone else getting a timeout on bug report comments using edge
[15:31] <gnomefreak> or without edge
[15:37] <falktx> hi
[15:38] <falktx> I recently received the task, at work, to get "alfresco" to work on linux
[15:38] <falktx> to compile it I need sun-java
[15:39] <falktx> so I copied partner's jave to the PPA
[15:39] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/alfresco/
[15:39] <falktx> is this ok?
[15:40] <gnomefreak> falktx: use the java that is not in partner
[15:40] <wgrant> falktx: Are you aware of the alfresco packages that are already in partner?
[15:40] <gnomefreak> didnt we remove java from partner?
[15:41] <jpds> gnomefreak: No, multiverse.
[15:41] <wgrant> Sun Java was moved from multiverse to partner.
[15:41] <gnomefreak> jpds: ah thanks
[15:41] <gnomefreak> thanks wgrant
[15:42] <gnomefreak> still timing out
[15:42] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Which bug?
[15:42] <gnomefreak> wgrant: bug 576072
[15:43] <gnomefreak> tring to add comment
[15:44] <wgrant> What was the text of the comment? And do you have an OOPS code?
[15:45] <falktx> for enterprise work, sun-java is required
[15:45] <gnomefreak> wgrant: it didnt give a code. hold on 1 sec
[15:45] <falktx> and alfredo is available only for Karmic, not Lucid
[15:45] <wgrant> Why do you need Sun Java?
[15:45] <gnomefreak> wgrant: the text is at bug#576072_info_to_add
[15:46] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Huh?
[15:46] <wgrant> And it should have given you an OOPS code.
[15:46] <gnomefreak> oops
[15:46] <gnomefreak> wgrant: text is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/431141/
[15:47] <wgrant> gnomefreak: What's the text of the timeout page?
[15:47] <gnomefreak> wgrant: and as for OOPS it just poped up a dialog saysing that it timed out and to try again later
[15:47] <gnomefreak> wgrant: thats what im trying to add to bug report
[15:47] <wgrant> A Firefox error?
[15:48] <wgrant> Or a Launchpad thing with a title of "Timeout error"?
[15:48] <wgrant> Or with a title of "Please try again"?
[15:48] <gnomefreak> its working now
[15:48] <wgrant> win 3
[15:49] <gnomefreak> wgrant: little LP dialog with red text. i dont recall the exact error text but it is working now for some reason
[15:49] <wgrant> gnomefreak: that had an OOPS IS.
[15:49] <wgrant> Er, OOPS ID.
[15:49] <gnomefreak> i didnt see one
[15:49] <wgrant> There was one down the bottom.
[15:50] <gnomefreak> wgrant: if it happens again ill copy it. i must have overlooked it
[15:50] <gnomefreak> sorry
[15:54] <davidstrauss> I need help resetting the password on a Launchpad utility account.
[15:54] <davidstrauss> https://launchpad.net/~economist-bender
[15:54] <davidstrauss> I'm happy to prove ownership by possession of the public key
[15:54] <mok0> Is there another way I could port users?
[15:54] <davidstrauss> i mean private key
[15:55] <mok0> How many tables are involved in defining a user?
[15:55] <davidstrauss> unfortunately, i have no idea what the email is set to
[15:55] <wgrant> mok0: Huh?
[15:55] <andrea-bs> gnomefreak, wgrant: error popups generated by AJAX don't show you the OOPS id
[15:55] <wgrant> Porting users?
[15:56] <wgrant> andrea-bs: Ah, an AJAX error, I see.
[15:56] <mok0> wgrant: oops wrong channel :-) Thought I was in django
[15:56] <jtimberman> I'm trying to copy packages in my PPA from lucid to karmic and I'm getting an OOPS.
[15:57] <jtimberman> Ooh, I see OOPS mentioned in my scrollback..
[15:57] <wgrant> jtimberman: Known -- fix is reviewed and in testing.
[15:57] <jtimberman> wgrant: thanks
[15:58] <jtimberman> wrt sun-java, some "enterprise" type shops are quite particular about that sort of thing for their apps.. but they should probably bundle their own jvm anyway :)
[15:59] <falktx> i'll need it at least to compile it
[15:59] <falktx> i can delete it later
[15:59] <gnomefreak> andrea-bs: thanks
[15:59] <falktx> or does a PPA can use partner packages?
[16:00] <falktx> that would be cool... but I'm not sure if can be done
[16:00] <wgrant> A PPA can't use partner packages directly.
[16:01] <gnomefreak> you have to build them for PPA
[16:03] <jtimberman> what bug # can i look at for the OOPS fix?
[16:37] <wgrant> lamont: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431174/
[16:41] <poolie> is it just me or is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-devel/changes having trouble?
[16:42] <nigelbabu> poolie: mostly just you, but then codebrowse isn't really a strong component of LP
[16:42] <nigelbabu> poolie: try abusing the F5 key
[16:44] <poolie> mm, thanks
[16:45] <m0n5t3r> hello, I need a word of advice: I debianized a pecl package, uploaded it, it compiles, but then launchpad complains that it has 2 files with timestamps too far in the past (they actually are set to 01-01-1970 in the original archive from pecl.php.net)
[16:47] <m0n5t3r> so, I deleted the packages, did a touch on the source files and repacked the source, but now it gets rejected because the orig archive is already in the ppa
[16:47] <m0n5t3r> what can I do?
[16:47] <tsimpson> bump the version
[16:48] <tsimpson> eg: 1.2.3a or 1.2.3rebuild
[16:56] <lamont> bigjools:
[16:56] <lamont> lychee will see.
[16:59] <_kb9vqf> Any progress on the bug causing these: OOPS-1591K1678
[16:59] <_kb9vqf> ?
[17:00] <davidstrauss> poolie: Any chance you can help me with a user access issue?
[17:00] <bigjools> _kb9vqf: what is the context?
[17:01] <_kb9vqf> bigjools: Trying to copy packages from a staging PPA to a distribution PPA
[17:01] <bigjools> _kb9vqf: we have code that's fixing it, it'll be rolled out tomorrow
[17:01] <_kb9vqf> Sounds good, thanks!
[17:01] <bigjools> _kb9vqf: sorry for the trouble
[17:03] <StevenK> _kb9vqf: Is it a timeout error?
[17:03] <_kb9vqf> StevenK: No
[17:04] <StevenK> Right, then ignore me, bigjools has the answer
[17:04] <_kb9vqf> :-)
[17:04] <poolie> davidstrauss: what is it?
[17:05] <davidstrauss> poolie: I need to get the email address or a password reset for this account: https://launchpad.net/~economist-bender
[17:05] <davidstrauss> poolie: I'm not sure what email I put on it.
[17:05] <poolie> wait please
[17:05] <davidstrauss> ok
[17:14] <lamont> bigjools: WE WIN!
[17:14] <bigjools> lamont: where do I collect my $1m?
[17:14] <lamont> afk
[18:11] <cperrin88> Hey, I'm having a problem with the Launchpad API
[18:11] <cperrin88> more exactly requesting a request token
[18:11] <maxb> You should be more detailed about your problem
[18:12] <cperrin88> okay
[18:12] <cperrin88> well I am sending my requst as described in https://help.launchpad.net/API/SigningRequests
[18:13] <cperrin88> but my Client (Apach HTTP Commons) does not understand the response
[18:13] <cperrin88> I'm unsure weather it's my fault, the lib's fault or the server's fault
[18:14] <cperrin88> let me search the error
[18:15] <cperrin88> DefaultRequestDirector(257): Authentication error: Unable to respond to any of these challenges: {oauth=WWW-Authenticate: OAuth realm="https://api.launchpad.net"}
[18:16] <rockstar> cperrin88, are you using launchpadlib or another lib?
[18:16] <cperrin88> I'm hacking the raw api
[18:17] <rockstar> cperrin88, leonardr is probably your man then
[18:18] <cperrin88> doesn't seem to be online
[18:18] <cperrin88> I want to write a launchpad Android client
[18:19] <rockstar> cperrin88, I've actually endeavored to do that.  Lemme see if I can find the code.
[18:52] <cperrin88> rockstar: Got some code?
[21:17]  * Penguin_Guy has just pushed his first bazaar branch.


[09:07] <arscariosus_> seems like the Philippine Red Cross needs pros. What they wanted was advanced training for their SAHANA system.
[12:39] <Knightlust> ooh, sahana... dabbled with Sahana once, during typhoon Pepeng with NDCC
[15:48] <arscariosus> hello
[15:49] <arscariosus> someone online
[15:49] <arscariosus> i've got a question :D


[18:44] <syntroPi> where can i set the font size/display scale for gdm? it displays HUGE fonts on my trusty x64 with Gnome 3.10
[19:00] <Guest57195> anybody here awake who can help me out with automounting NFS-shares?
[21:36] <melodie> hi
[21:37] <melodie> I have a question about incoming phone messages in Evolution mail: do you know if the "audio player" image is actually supposed to start reading a message, with the audio application you chose for mime type?


[03:30] <acer> HOLA QUE TAL  SOY MEXICANO  Y TENGO UNA SERIE DE PREGUNTA SI ES POSIBLE QUE HALGIEN PODRIA AUXILIARME  PORFA
[05:19] <itxktp> Hello everyone, I would like to install vmware horizon view client 4.7.0 on ubuntu raspberry pi3. After installed completed, it's not working. I cannot to launch the application. Did you used to implement vmware horizon 4.7 on ubuntu raspberry pi, please advice me about that configure
[05:46] <tnss> hey
[05:46] <tnss> Is anyone
[05:46] <tnss> here
[05:46] <kernal> yep
[07:36] <JesterH> i have a raspberry pi 3 model b with a apt upgrade error of "Extracting templates from packages: 99%apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: stat64: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" and error "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_9.4ubuntu4.6_armhf.deb (--unpack): subprocess
[07:36] <JesterH> dpkg-deb --control was killed by signal (Segmentation fault)"
[07:37] <JesterH> any ideas?
[07:38] <alkisg> run these as root: apt clean; apt update; apt full-upgrade
[07:39] <alkisg> If the problem persists, ping...
[08:02] <gerge> Hi, Network manager can't connect VPNs, I tried OpenVPN, PPTP, L2TP, IPsec...
[08:02] <gerge> There are no errors with nmcli too, just VPN service closed unexpectedly.
[08:02] <gerge> with 18.04 daily
[08:02] <gerge> But connecting with openvpn works, problem is with the Network manager
[08:07] <alkisg> gerge: try ubuntu+1 for 18.04
[08:07] <alkisg> i.e. /join #ubuntu+1
[10:28] <odin_> hi
[13:19] <bcastudent> join#channel
[13:19] <bcastudent> hi
[16:18] <q3e545t67uir6o> Who knows what doing if in grub menu after start PC I see ???????? no text in grub menu? 17.10 Ru It happened after today's update
[16:19] <diogenes_> q3e545t67uir6o, what is your language?
[16:22] <q3e545t67uir6o> ru
[16:22] <q3e545t67uir6o> Russian
[16:22] <diogenes_> q3e545t67uir6o, тогда напиши мне в приват
[20:33] <OptimaluS> Hello, I'd like to get help with a resolution issue. Will someone please help me?
[20:34] <diogenes_> !ask
[20:36] <OptimaluS> Ubuntu doesn't recognize my screen and I can't change the resolution. I'm connected to Hdmi on a TV screen. How can I change this resolution?
[20:37] <diogenes_> xrandr
[20:38] <diogenes_> what u see there
[20:40] <OptimaluS> I see the image on my screen, but I can't change the resolution and it tells me that my screen is unknown.
[20:41] <OptimaluS> I see the image on my screen, but I can't change the resolution and it tells me that my screen is unknown.
[20:41] <OptimaluS> I'm using a translator to talk to you. I'm French.
[22:46] <FullRagnarock> hello
[22:46] <FullRagnarock> anyone here??
[23:18] <FullRagnarock> hello??
[23:19] <ne4rd> everyone's asleep