[12:11] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: well one of the tar statements in that howto is actually incorrect so may be you didn't creat a tar correctly?
[12:11] <TheGateKeeper> create*
[12:11] <LeeJunFan> dme: that's the only way I've done it - I've never used a gui installer for linux. :)
[12:11] <dme> when it displays the partition info, i don't recall that it calls any of them /boot
[12:11] <dme> oh
[12:11] <dennister> ahhhhhhh...perhaps....if directions are wrong, results r wrong...
[12:12] <dennister> not surprising then...what's incorrect abotu the howto?
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> dme: just create a new partition on the first drive as ext3, you can go into the properties by pressing enter while that one is highlighted and change the mount point to /boot
[12:12] <dennister> <----------is always nervous without good backups
[12:13] <dme> LeeJunFan: recommendations?  (it's calling my disks hdc and hdd): /boot should be on hd? and how big? swap should be on hd? and how big?
[12:13] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: hmmm looks like it has been edited, the first tar statement didn't do what you wanted to do because it was incorrectly formatted
[12:14] <LeeJunFan> dme: /boot should be on one, and swap on the other, of equal size is the easiest way to manage it and you probably want at least 512M for swap.
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> dme: so /boot on hdc, SWAP on hdd 512M for both.
[12:15] <dme> ok
[12:15] <dme> ty
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> dme: the 2 drives are of exactly equal size/type?
[12:15] <dme> yes, they are
[12:15] <dennister> wait...i used the howto that looked like that one, but it wasn't in the forum...it was in the ubuntu.com support pages, documentation
[12:16] <dme> i bought two (used) 2.1 Gb drives, same manu/model
[12:16] <dme> a buck a piece
[12:16] <dme> heh
[12:16] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: I think they carried the mistake over, probable still there
[12:17] <dennister> gatekeeper, i think i should dig out my systemrescuecd, and learn how to use partimage :-)
[12:17] <Nicole> Do you know a msn to ue microphone an web cam
[12:17] <dennister> i'd tried installing partimage on my hdd, but apparently you shouldn't
[12:17] <dme> brb - phone call
[12:18] <Nicole> misogino
[12:18] <LeeJunFan> dme: you'll get more speed out of the raid0 if they are on different IDE channels. ie. hda or hdb for the first drive, and hdc or hdd on the second.
[12:19] <dennister> gatekeeper, let's leave this for now...i will make a good backup b4 i start deleting things
[12:19] <dennister> thank you :-)
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: ok, time for me to go to sleep anyway
[12:20] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: yw :-)
[12:20] <dennister> have a great night then
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> anyone know the easiest way to find the oldest file in a dir?
[12:20] <TheGateKeeper> thanx
[12:20] <dennister> general question: what's the best file-sharing program for kubuntu?
[12:20] <fdoving> samba :)
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ktorrent
[12:21] <fdoving> or nfs.
[12:21] <dennister> heheheh
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> :P
[12:21] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: switch to detailed list view, sort by "Modified"
[12:21] <dennister> hi lostbyte!
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> dennister, hi.
[12:21] <dennister> ktorrent isn't uploading anything...can't find any directions to configure it properly
[12:22] <dennister> and i know my isp does traffic-shaping, so i need to configure that
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: yeah, maybe, if I -R though I bet it will only sort per dir, I want to find the oldest file in my $HOME.
[12:23] <dennister> besides: ktorrent, while downloading, downloads for seconds, stalls, downloads, stalls...it would take forever to download a measly 1-hr television show
[12:24] <fdoving> !azureus
[12:24] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[12:24] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: ah. I'm sure you can do some magic with the "find" command, but I'm not very versed with that. Hmmm, you could use the find files gui in Konqui, search for all files *.*. and sort the result by modified, perhaps?
[12:24] <fdoving> !frostwire
[12:24] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[12:24] <dennister> i used to use azureious successfully in windows...but in kubuntu it crashes constantly, worse in kde than in gnome
[12:24] <dennister> besides...it has a horrible kind of bloat
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: yeah, I can easily find files older than +mtime but to find the oldest. of course I could use exec to ls -l each file, owell. I'll figure something out - find was my first guess but I was hoping for simpler.
[12:25] <dennister> hmmmm, frostwire, eh?
[12:26] <dennister> i'll look into it...i'd love to use bitlord again...so easy
[12:27] <dme> LeeJunFan, i'm now creating the 1st partition on the 1st harddisk; 500Mb; its asking me primary or logical?
[12:27] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: well, I just tested my second way, using Tools/Find File in Konqui, search for *.*, and sorted the resulting list  by modified. Works nicely, acutally.
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> dme: primary is fine
[12:28] <dme> ty
[12:29] <dme> LeeJunFan, boot flag on or off (on i would think)
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> dme: on is safe, I don't think it matters with grub with linux.
[12:31] <dme> i'm now on the 500Mb partition on the 2nd hard drive: primary also?
[12:31] <dme> that is, the swap partition
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: yeah, I'll have to craft find to do it - ls with -R sorts each dir individually.
[12:32] <dme> (i haven't yet done the RAID partition on the 1st hd... thought i'd get the two 500Mb parts first)
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: I'm trying to weed out old unused stuff from $HOME, I haven't started with a clean $HOME since like 1998, thru about 20 different computers and such and I keep the same $HOME dir. hehe
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> I'm sure I have files that are probably lurking around more than 5 years old that I don't need.
[12:34] <vge> is there a program that i ca use to see whats my largest file in the hardrive?
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> dme: yeah, that's good. get those out of the way.
[12:34] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: 1998!! Wow, that's long. Well, if I think about it, I also still have some files from my first Debian accompanying me from system to system... heh.
[12:34] <dme> LeeJunFan: i now have hdc as 500Mb primary /boot, hdd 500Mb primary swap, nothing else set up yet
[12:35] <dme> LeeJunFan: i'm setting up the 1st raid partition (hdc) - primary or logical ?
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> dme: okay, unfortunatly trying to do this from memory I'm not exactly sure what options to use for setting up the other 2 parts, but I think you want to make the partitions and set the partition types to raid on both of them.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> dme: you can use primary on all of them. since you'll only have 2 partitions on each drive it's not a problem.
[12:36] <dme> ok!
[12:36] <Karol84PL> Hello, i've got a stupid question, but i can't find an answer. I've clicked on "hide menu" in Konqueror. How to restore it back?
[12:37] <Sanne> Karol84PL: ctrl-m
[12:37] <Karol84PL> Sanne: thanks :-)
[12:38] <Sanne> Karol84PL: you're welcome :)
[12:38] <Karol84PL> thanks
[12:40] <dme> LeeJunFan... i might have screwed up: i got my 4 partitions set up, at then could have selected "write partition info and (goto next step)" or "Configure software RAID"; i chose configure software raid
[12:40] <dme> LeeJunFan: it told me that changes had to be written (continued)
[12:40] <scott_> hi all
[12:40] <scott_> has anyone installed Java?
[12:40] <scott_> on Kubuntu?
[12:41] <Hawkwind> scott_: All sorts of us have
[12:41] <Hawkwind> !java
[12:41] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: haha! I have a lot of files from '97 even! and one from 96!
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: find . -printf "%TY %p\n" | sort -n | less
[12:41] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: you should start a file museum ;)
[12:42] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: thanks for the command, will keep it for later.
[12:43] <fenian> Hi
[12:43] <dme> LeeJunFan so, it wrote the changes, and took me to the RAID configure screen; i selected create md device, and put an X in both of the RAID partitions; when i selected "continue", it just took me back to the "create md device, delete md device, finish" menu, so I selected "create md device" AGAIN, and then it gave me a red screen with the error message "no Linux RAID Autodetect" devices available... stuck now
[12:43] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: What does the year date in the files mean ?  The year they were originally written/coded ?
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: actually it's the year they were last modified.
[12:45] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: Last modified ?  I've got files with dates of 1986, which is simply amazing
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> I imagine I'd find even dustier files with ctime.
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> how in the h!@# do you have files older than linux?
[12:45] <dme> LeeJunFan: was i supposed to set up 2 md devices, and then use the LVM to turn them into a striped set?
[12:46] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: I have xu4 installed, which is a game from 1984 :P
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> dme: I don't think so - I've never used lvm, I just created 2 partitions as raid, then you should see an md0 device which you can then create / partition in, and format.
[12:46] <marion> k
[12:47] <dme> ok
[12:47] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: 1986 ./u4/src/ULTIMA4/BRICK.CON
[12:50] <matthew_> can anyone help me w/ setting up WPA2?
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: change the %A to  for ctime.
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: oddly all my ctimes are 2006 or newer those must have been changed when I copied them but it kept the modified attrib of the orig.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: sorry %T to  for ctime.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: sorry %T to \ for ctime.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> ugh.. substitution
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: sorry %T to %C for ctime.
[12:54] <fdoving> matthew_: i think this also should work for wpa2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[12:55] <flaccid> synaptic is a gtk app?
[12:55] <fdoving> yes.
[12:55] <flaccid> qt package manager for ubuntu?
[12:55] <fdoving> flaccid: adept
[12:56] <CapnCook> on a fresh install of kubuntu dapper Konqueror locks up the system after using it for a few minutes
[12:56] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: Yeah.  With that everything is 2006 as it should be since this install of Dapper is 100% fresh for the most part
[12:56] <CapnCook> does anyone have a solution?
[12:56] <matthew_> fdoving i've tried that i've got wpa_supplicant to work but can't connect to my network
[12:56] <flaccid> fdoving: ah ok cool. adept kinda sux :)
[12:57] <fdoving> flaccid: you can try 'smartpm' if you want something else. can't tell you much about it though.. it's there,  you can test it :)
[12:58] <dme> LeeJunFan: i'm not using a RAID card - just 2 ide hd's. i hope i didn't give the impression i was using a raid card
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> dme: no, software raid is how I did it too.
[01:00] <CapnCook> is anyone else having trouble with the dapper security repo being slow?
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> dme: I have /dev/sdb5 and /dev/sda5 set as linux raid partitions, then they are accessed as md0, after you create the 2 partitions as raid you can then create the / partition inside md0.
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> sda/sdb - mine are scsi.
[01:06] <fdoving> gnite.
[01:06] <brendonjt> hi there one and all  just a quick question  if i may?
[01:06] <fdoving> !ask
[01:06] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:07] <fdoving> and good nite. :)
[01:08] <brendonjt> i am looking at installing edgy, just wondering has the bug with frostwire been fixed there yet?
[01:08] <brendonjt> anyone?
[01:08] <Dr_willis> what bug?
[01:08] <shadowhywind> when does edgy offically release?
[01:08] <Dr_willis> !release
[01:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[01:08] <brendonjt> hang on i'll just find it for you
[01:09] <shadowhywind> i know it gets released sometime this month, i was more aiming for a day
[01:09] <Dr_willis> if you want it now.. update to it now. :P
[01:09] <Dr_willis> that way there wont be a huge rush the day its released
[01:10] <fdoving> shadowhywind: ~ 28th
[01:10] <dme> hey, Dr Willis, nice to see you...
[01:10] <dme> LeeJunFan, you still there?  AAAAAAGH do i feel like an idiot
[01:11] <dme> LeeJunFan: the created md/raid device was there the whole time - in other words, i did it right - i just couldn't see it because it was scrolled off the bottom of the selection window
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> dme: heh, happens.
[01:11] <dme> LeeJunFan: so, my question is, now that i have a raid partition, do i go ahead and format it ext3?
[01:13] <Nicole> His pls I need help, I installed mercury msn , but I can't open it , 'cos I get a fatal error
[01:13] <brendonjt> Dr_willis:  this is the error that i get runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[01:13] <Nicole> what can I DO
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> dme: I think you need to go into md0 and set it to be /
[01:14] <dme> did htat
[01:14] <dme> did that
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> dme: then format and install as normal from there.
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> so yeah, format it as ext3 and install.
[01:14] <dme> thanks
[01:14] <dme> i guess then that linux automatically installs itself to root?
[01:14] <Dr_willis> brendonjt,  sounds like a typo in the startup script
[01:15] <brendonjt> Dr_willis:  under dapper it works no problems  with out a hitch
[01:16] <flaccid> fdoving: cheers
[01:16] <dme> aaa! this is SO kewl!  i barely know Linux and yet i just set up a raid system... (dme checks the mirror to see if he has a halo)
[01:16] <Nicole> what can I DO
[01:16] <Nicole> His pls I need help, I installed mercury msn , but I can't open it , 'cos I get a fatal error
[01:16] <Dr_willis> !info mercury
[01:16] <ubotu> mercury: A new logic/functional programming language. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.0.rotd.20040511-5 (dapper), package size 24708 kB, installed size 109984 kB
[01:16] <Dr_willis> hmm
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> dme: yeah
[01:17] <dme> i'll be signing off for now
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> dme: everything is in /, you can make other partitions if you wish, like /usr, /lib/, /var etc... but if you only have / it will make those dirs in root.
[01:18] <dme> LeeJunFan: thanks for all your help... i couldn't have done it w/o u explaining that boot not a raid partition stuff, etc...
[01:19] <Nicole> Dr_willis whatis mercury
[01:19] <Rafflesia-brb> Anybody had any luck with installing FreeCiv?
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  i was asking the same thing. :)
[01:20] <Dr_willis> Mercury is a Java-based MSN client (and slowly upcoming Jabber client). http://www.mercury.to/
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: apt-get install freeciv? :)
[01:20] <Nicole> sorry I am back
[01:20] <Rafflesia> I'll try that next
[01:21] <Nicole> Dr_willis, that's a messenger
[01:21] <Peti> Hi!
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  if you are having problems with a JAVA program. I suggest being SURE you are using the SUN java. NOT the Gij java packages
[01:22] <Peti> Anyone knows how to upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  if 'java -version' does NOT reply with --->  java version "1.5.0_06"
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05
[01:22] <menace> why is it that the files that im trying to download on ktorrent keep stalling?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Then i suggest updating your java, and checking the 'update-alternative java' section of the !java  wiki page
[01:23] <Nicole> Dr_willis, I got this Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  looks lik eyour java is ok then..
[01:23] <brendonjt> Peti: make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed,  then change the enteries in your sources.list from breezy to dapper,  then sudo apt-get up date  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:23] <nutshell42> menace: ktorrent used to be a PoS, try azureus
[01:23] <menace> ok
[01:24] <Nicole> Dr_willis, can I paste you the fatal error
[01:24] <Hawkwind> menace: That's not a ktorrent issue.  That's probably a server or ISP issue
[01:24] <nutshell42> menace: btw. this is not just "you don't use what I use so it's sh*t"; I really tried ktorrent
[01:24] <Hawkwind> menace: There is nothing wrong with ktorrent, that is merely one persons opinion
[01:24] <DaSkreech> nutshell42: 2.0?
[01:24] <nutshell42> but it's buggy and often slow
[01:24] <nutshell42> when azureus is not
[01:24] <DaSkreech> 2.0 is a lot nicer
[01:24] <menace> uhm...theres something wrong with my azureus installation
[01:24] <Hawkwind> I use ktorrent 2.0.2 without issues
[01:24] <menace> ill pastebin it
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  wont do much good.. :P
[01:24] <menace> could someone tell me the pastebin link please?
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  i know little about java..
[01:24] <nutshell42> DaSkreech: yes; but still, too many issues
[01:24] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: what did you try first?
[01:25] <Nicole> Dr_willis, :(
[01:25] <Hawkwind> menace: Azureus is nothing but a HUGE memory hog.  I'd certainly use something a bit lighter
[01:25] <Nicole> Dr_willis, that's sad
[01:25] <Rafflesia> the package menu
[01:25] <nutshell42> often it *will* work, unlike older versions, but sometimes not
[01:25] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  i am guessing you downloaded the debian package?
[01:25] <menace> !pastebin
[01:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:25] <Nicole> Dr_willis, yes
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Always try apt-get first :)
[01:25] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Again, that's not a ktorrent issue.  That's an issue on your system or the server
[01:25] <DaSkreech>  You may not always get the latest bling but ti will save a lot of headaches
[01:26] <menace> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26025/
[01:26] <Nicole> this is the error" java.lang.RuntimeException: No permission to write /usr/lib/mercury/Mercury.lax."
[01:26] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  its possible theres some debian/ubuntu differance
[01:26] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: why does azureus work then?
[01:26] <menace> thats what it showed when i tried to install azureus-------->>http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26025/
[01:26] <nutshell42> or most other clients
[01:26] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Try configuring ktorrent correctly and it will too.  I had the same issue when I first started using ktorrent.  I configured it correctly and now it just....works
[01:26] <nutshell42> I've never really used anything besides azureus, that old command-line thingy and ktorrent
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Might have to do a freeciv-server as well
[01:27] <Hawkwind> Azureus is too much of a memory hog. It takes up tons and tons of memory where any other torrent app doesn't
[01:27] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: and what should I do, oh wise one
[01:27] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  you realize that sudo mercury   works? :P
[01:27] <nutshell42> it needs about 100MB
[01:27] <nutshell42> if that's too much use a smaller client
[01:27] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: As mentioned, play with the settings.  Your settings won't be the same as mine.  It took me a good 3 - 4 days to get them right and now it never fails
[01:27] <Rafflesia> I guess I'm going to have to play around with it
[01:27] <nutshell42> if not azureus features are nice
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  run it first as root.. then as a user...
[01:28] <Nicole> Dr_willis, there is a version for salckware and for red hat too
[01:28] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Azureus much more than 100MB unfortunately.  I have a P4 3.2GHz HT with 2GB RAM and azureus is horrible to use.  But that's my opinion
[01:28] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: I really don't see what those things should change, apart from an upload limit
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  its working for me
[01:28] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Can't find it?
[01:28] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: then you must configure it right =P
[01:28] <Rafflesia> I seem to have a lot of dependency problems
[01:28] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: It's in universe
[01:29] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Ktorrent has lots of plugins and stuff enabled by default.  Try looking at the app a bit before calling it crap and telling everyone not to use it
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Ah. GTk :)
[01:29] <menace> anyone have any idea on the problem at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26025/?
[01:29] <Rafflesia> Should I install the server first?
[01:29] <Dr_willis> I perfer ktorrent also.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:29] <DaSkreech> I don't think it matters what order you install them in
[01:29] <DaSkreech>  as long as you run the server before the client
[01:30] <Rafflesia> Sure doesn't.  Same dependency problems.
[01:30] <DaSkreech> What problems?
[01:31] <Rafflesia> not up-to-date copy of libc6
[01:31] <DaSkreech> What version is it looking for>
[01:31] <DaSkreech> ?
[01:31] <Nicole> Dr_willis, my dear doctor you are a genius
[01:31] <Nicole> Dr_willis, thanx
[01:31] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: then it shouldn't enable those plugins; I know I went over all the options and tried to use common sense; if I need some special guide because the options labels are crappy then it's not my fault
[01:31] <Rafflesia> 2.3.3-6
[01:32] <DaSkreech> What version do you have?
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  :) when ya installed the deb - it soft of said to run as root to update.. so i just ran it as root to let it update...
[01:32] <nutshell42> menace: does it hang after that?
[01:33] <brendonjt> just had a look  seems  frostwire is incompatible with edgy grrr
[01:33] <menace> nutshell42: what do you mean by hang?
[01:33] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: ktorrent nevertheless tended to stall or slow down on d/ls and the other clients didn't
[01:33] <nutshell42> menace: oh sry, you use adept?
[01:33] <Rafflesia> 2.3.6-Oubuntu20
[01:33] <menace> nutshell42: no, i used konsole
[01:34] <nutshell42> then, did the apt-get hang after the msgs you posted?
[01:34] <menace> it went to a new prompt
[01:34] <menace> but i figured the x error bad device wasnt good...
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> nutshell42: I had way better luck with ktorrent after I compiled it myself from the newest version on the ktorrent webpage. As far as the stalling goes. newest ktorrent does a better job of finding peers apparently.
[01:35] <nutshell42> menace: unless you have some real problems suddenly, just ignore them =)
[01:35] <menace> ok
[01:36] <menace> LeeJunFan: where could i get the newest version from?...adept doesnt seem to have it
[01:36] <nutshell42> that undefined symbol is probably a problem with different versions for different packages
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Hmm mine is asking for that version not the 2.3.3
[01:37] <Rafflesia> Which package?
[01:37] <nutshell42> LeeJunFan: I try it once every few months
[01:37] <Rafflesia> 2.3.3 I can cover
[01:37] <scott___> I was able to download sun java..but I am having a hard time installing it?
[01:37] <nutshell42> but my azureus never used more than 150MB memory and I can live with that; so until ktorrent works out of the box, I'll stay with azureus
[01:38] <nutshell42> even though the java interface is *slow* =)
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: What are you apt-getting?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> wine utorrent.exe
[01:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:38] <trappist> scott___: don't do it that way.  enable the multiverse repository and just sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[01:38] <Rafflesia> ?
[01:38] <Cholito> what about ktorrent?
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> nutshell42: ktorrent.org
[01:38] <Rafflesia> I'm a real noob.  Spell it out.
[01:38] <scott___> how do I enable the multiverse repository?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> !repos
[01:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:38] <trappist> !multiverse > scott___
[01:38] <Dr_willis> !multiverse
[01:38] <trappist> heh.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> !white and nerdy
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about white and nerdy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Joker
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: How are you installing it?
[01:42] <Rafflesia> package menu
[01:43] <coreymon77> guys
[01:43] <coreymon77> i have a question
[01:43] <coreymon77> my current linksys wireless network card has a rt2500 chip in it
[01:43] <coreymon77> and it is interface ra0
[01:43] <coreymon77> its dying
[01:44] <coreymon77> im thinking of getting a dlink card since i have heard they are of good quality
[01:44] <coreymon77> what would that be
[01:44] <coreymon77> interface what
[01:44] <coreymon77> and what would i use to connect to it
[01:44] <coreymon77> would i use iwconfig or something else?
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> so i still cannot find libxine-extracodecs
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> and i have the universe repositories
[01:45] <thoreauputic> !libxine-extracodecs
[01:45] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[01:45] <thoreauputic> it's in multiverse
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> yeh thats wut i mean
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> multiverse
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> : /
[01:45] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get update  ;)
[01:46] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get me a beer
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> lol
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> i've done all the updates
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> its just not there
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> theres other libxine stuff
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> but not libxine-extracodecs
[01:46] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: yes it is - you have a configuration problem
[01:47] <KrAmMeR> doh
[01:47] <KrAmMeR> i dunno wut im doing wrong
[01:47] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:47] <coreymon77> what would the interface be called and what would i use with it?
[01:48] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:48] <KrAmMeR> thoreauputic: what am i looking for in there
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Do you know how to use adept?
[01:48] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Maybe you should put your sources.list into http://pastebin.ulteo.us for all of us to see
[01:48] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:49] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: make sure there are no typos :) and see if you have "multiverse" repos - not just backports multiverse etc
[01:49] <KrAmMeR> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/145
[01:49] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: usually adding the word multiverse at the end of each universe line will do it
[01:49] <KrAmMeR> there it is
[01:50] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: There's your problem
[01:50] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: you only have backports multiverse in that list
[01:50] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You only have multiverse enabled for backports
[01:50] <thoreauputic> right
[01:50] <KrAmMeR> oh...
[01:50] <KrAmMeR> so go back into adept?
[01:50] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You need to add universe and multiverse to the other lines as well
[01:51] <KrAmMeR> oh ok
[01:51] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Just edit it manually:  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list   Replace kwrite with your favorite GUI editor
[01:51] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: add multiverse to the universe lines, save and update
[01:52] <KrAmMeR> i think i gotta use the viv program
[01:52] <dme> anybody know of a utility to keep your Favorites/Bookmarks synchronized between different browsers/computers (example: i use IE and Firefox on my win box, and Konquerer on Kubuntu; i want some way to keep all 3 browsers favorites/bookmarks synchronized)
[01:52] <KrAmMeR> wouldn't let me get into the others
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ...
[01:52] <tobias__> my yabber wont work:(
[01:52] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: There?
[01:52] <KrAmMeR> err wuts its called again?
[01:53] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <KrAmMeR> ah yes
[01:53] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR:  kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"  < you need sudo rights
[01:53] <thoreauputic> or use vi if you are used to vi
[01:53] <Hawkwind> thoreauputic: He tried last night and he can't open any editor with kdesu unfortunately
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Hawkwind: how odd
[01:54] <thoreauputic> nano is easier than vi if you aren't used to vi :)
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> do i just put multiverse after universe
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> so it would look like...
[01:54] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: yes, at the end of the lines
[01:54] <coreymon77> hawk, do you know anything about wireless network cards
[01:54] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Yes
[01:54] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Nope
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: right
[01:55] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:55] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Yes
[01:55] <coreymon77> does anyone here know anything about wireless network cards
[01:55] <dme> different question: i get tired of seeing all of the "... has quit (err msg)" "... has joined #kubuntu" "... is now known as ..." where do i find the help info to change these settings?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> I know that they can be a real PAIN
[01:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:55] <Dr_willis> what irc client dme ?
[01:56] <dme> BerSirc for Windows
[01:56] <thoreauputic> :/
[01:56] <dme> no settings of that nature in this client
[01:56] <dme> i was hoping it was an irc server thing
[01:56] <thoreauputic> dme: how are we supposed to know how to configure a windows client?
[01:57] <KrAmMeR> do i just press esc to save?
[01:57] <dme> u know, like /noshowjoinmessages
[01:57] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: hit esc then type :wq
[01:57] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:57] <Squatch> Quick question.  Trying to get xvkbd & xbindkeys so that I can use all the buttons on my mouse, but when I "apt-get install xvkbd xbindkeys" I get "Couldn't find package xvkbd"...  Any suggestions?
[01:57] <coreymon77> guys
[01:58] <coreymon77> my rt2500 card is interface ra0
[01:58] <coreymon77> and use iwconfig
[01:58] <KrAmMeR> ok all saved now
[01:58] <dme> interesting suggestion, Dr_Willis - as usual, u thought of an approach outside of my mental box... hehe
[01:58] <coreymon77> a dlink card would be what interface and use what tool?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR:  sudo apt-get update
[01:58] <Dr_willis> dme,  theres free and non free version of xcha\t for windows.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: then try installing libxine-extracodecs again
[01:59] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:59] <dme> dme's mental box has only adaptors for free software
[02:00] <KrAmMeR> there it is!
[02:00] <KrAmMeR> yes!
[02:00] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:00] <KrAmMeR> thanks guys
[02:00] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You're welcome
[02:00] <thoreauputic> np
[02:01] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: where can i find KDE protocols ?
[02:01] <dme> motorcitymadman, protocols for what?
[02:01] <dme> more specific, please
[02:02] <theosib> Anyone know how to get X11 man pages?
[02:02] <KrAmMeR> is there any other useful package you think i should get?
[02:02] <scott___> I can see java in adept...how do I install it?
[02:03] <theosib> How about man pages for math functions like sqrt?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Heeellloooo
[02:05] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: I'm trying to find your screenshots....but can't locate em'.  Do you think you could post the link?
[02:06] <MotorCityMadMan> dme: protocol handlers, called KIO slaves, that know how to serve up data from new and unusual sources, such as CDs
[02:09] <KrAmMeR> !shockwave
[02:09] <ubotu> shockwave is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[02:10] <Squatch> How do I add a repository so that apt-get can find xvkbd?
[02:11] <MotorCityMadMan> found the protocols in kinfocenter
[02:12] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: I have some at http://SeerOfSouls.com/gallery and some at http://SeerOfSouls.com/screenshots/
[02:13] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Thanks!
[02:18] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: do you happen to know/remember the icon set you have on the KDE screenshot with the really white girl in your SoS gallery
[02:19] <MotorCityMadMan> dme: exsample, by typing info:gcc in konqueror will bring up info pages for gcc. just faster for resreach
[02:20] <MotorCityMadMan> or type man:gcc
[02:20] <sbcl3> hi, what is the password for 'ubuntu' on a live CD?
[02:21] <LjL> sbcl3: no password, i think
[02:21] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: there isn't one
[02:21] <sbcl3> um...
[02:21] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: just do  sudo <command>
[02:21] <sbcl3> i locked my session
[02:21] <sbcl3> i cant get back into it
[02:21] <LjL> well, just pressing enter doesn't work?
[02:21] <sbcl3> no
[02:22] <LjL> uhm
[02:23] <sbcl3> i'm serious, it doesn't unlock
[02:23] <LjL> i realize that you're serious, i just don't know the answer
[02:23] <LjL> perhaps it's even just a bug -- the session locker might not like empty passwords
[02:24] <flaccid> Does anyone have mplayerplug-in working with Opera ?
[02:24] <sbcl3> okay then...is there a quick way to kill it at the shell?
[02:24] <MotorCityMadMan>  camera:/ in the address line will give you a thumbnail look of pictures on a camera connected to pc
[02:24] <otaku-san> sbcl3: just hit the power button...it won't hurt it.  You can just start your box back up and everything should work
[02:25] <sbcl3> i'd rather kill it
[02:25] <sbcl3> heh...that's a lame bug...no one has had this problem?
[02:26] <otaku-san> sbcl3: I had to hard shut down my box a couple of times with the live cd in...because it is the live cd....and running straight off the disc
[02:27] <otaku-san> sbcl3: it won't hurt...anyways anything you do on the live cd won't be saved in the first place
[02:27] <sbcl3> i have some services running
[02:27] <otaku-san> sbcl3: like what
[02:27] <sbcl3> not true
[02:27] <LjL> sbcl3: i just tried unlocking by killing from the shell, but i ended up with unusable keyboard and mouse
[02:27] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Give me the URL to the image
[02:28] <sbcl3> otaku-san: i have 6 partitions mounted and bittorent running
[02:28] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: http://seerofsouls.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=14&pos=0
[02:29] <MrMazda> anyone know which deb fsck comes from? I get segfault trying to run it (edgy)
[02:29] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Ah, that isn't my screenshot.  That was DragonSpirits and I'm not sure on the icon set.  Maybe something similar to Gant
[02:29] <otaku-san> sbcl3: what?  I understand the partitions....but why a bittorrent?  It's okay to kill the bittorrent...anything you download won't work or install.
[02:30] <nuku> flaccid: i had mplayerplug-in running with opera..
[02:30] <flaccid> nuku: not anymore?
[02:30] <nuku> flaccid: i switched to kaffeine-mozilla as i like it more
[02:30] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Ahhhh...ok I'll try looking for Gant.  I've seen it somewhere else before I got Linux...and was like "hey I want to put that on my KDE"
[02:30] <flaccid> nuku: can that embed?
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: it just starts kaffeine when a plugin is on a page
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: no
[02:31] <otaku-san> hehehehe...poor sbcl3
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: but so you can switch fullscreen and things like that.. but its personal preference..
[02:31] <flaccid> nuku: problem with that is a page with more than 1 video
[02:31] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: thanks for trying to help me
[02:31] <flaccid> nuku: could you just test and see if your mplayerplug-in works atm ?
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: ok.. i think for mplayerplugin you have to build your own version with gtk disabled
[02:32] <flaccid> nuku: oh. have you got anymore info?
[02:33] <nuku> fla
[02:33] <flaccid> fla?
[02:33] <nuku> flaccid: well do apt-get build-dep mplayerplug-in
[02:33] <nuku> sorrsy :)
[02:33] <nuku> i am not quite sober anymore :P
[02:34] <flaccid> lol
[02:34] <flaccid> w0a what does that command do?
[02:34] <nuku> flaccid: fetch all build dependencies for the package
[02:34] <nuku> so you have everything needed to build it for your own
[02:34] <flaccid> then i d/l the source from their website and compile?
[02:35] <nuku> flaccid: for example. but.. do ./configure --enable-x
[02:35] <flaccid> yeah i know how to compile :)
[02:35] <nuku> well the --enable-x is important
[02:35] <Nicole> hello, I got a Video CApture Kworld card and I am connecting my video camara, but I don't know where to start, what can I do
[02:36] <flaccid> nuku: and disable gtk?
[02:36] <nuku> should. .yes..
[02:36] <nuku> just use --enable-x this should work fine
[02:36] <nuku> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=131761 .. look here for example
[02:37] <flaccid> nuku:  i get E: Unable to find a source package for mplayerplug-in when doing the build-dep command
[02:38] <nuku> uhm maybe i spelled something wrong ..
[02:38] <nuku> hmm
[02:38] <nuku> you are right
[02:39] <nuku> this is strange :) maybe the pkg is broken.. just try to fetch source and build it and get the -dev packages if there is missing something
[02:40] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: ls /var/cache/apt/archives brings up a ton of .deb files. can these be cleaned up nicely without making kubuntu mad ?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: yes, just do   sudo apt-get clean
[02:41] <adrianoc> no consigo instalar o kde verso ptbr
[02:41] <MotorCityMadMan> thoreauputic: very nice, ty
[02:41] <nuku> flaccid: but in general apt-get build-dep pkgname should work
[02:42] <MotorCityMadMan> i will remember that code
[02:42] <flaccid> ta
[02:42] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: no problem :) If you only want to clean out old debs use  sudo apt-get autoclean
[02:42] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: I found the icon set!  It's called Umicons 2.0   Gant is a similar icon set for something else
[02:43] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Yeah I just found the umicons on my system in fact and was about to tell you :P
[02:43] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: I am however uploading over 40,000 icons to my gallery right now.  I should have them all posted up there later tonight
[02:44] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Sweet....The coolest thing about Linux is how you can change from one thing to a complete other...never a dull moment!
[02:45] <flaccid> nuku: hmm yeah need these dev deps
[02:46] <ubuntu_> buenas
[02:46] <MotorCityMadMan> thoreauputic: the disk cache is 51% and application is 38%. this is eatting memory up. how do i bring these numbers down ?
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> !es > ubuntu_
[02:47] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: umm - I don't follow you - where is this output coming from?
[02:47] <nuku> flaccid: maybe read the forum thread i posted it should be mentioned what -dev packages are needed to build this..
[02:47] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: in general linux uses as much memory as it can - it's more efficient
[02:48] <MotorCityMadMan> thoreauputic: kde info center/ memory view
[02:48] <flaccid> nuku: don't think it does hey
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the command to do that in konsole?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: see above - type  free -m  in a terminal and look at the second line - it's more relevant
[02:48] <flaccid> yeah its normal for *nix boxes to use all the memory available
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> but it's for processing, not like windows hogging the memory, *nix uses it proactively
[02:50] <MotorCityMadMan> -/+ buffers/cache:  used 382  free   621
[02:51] <flaccid> i have 18mb free. sometimes 1 or 0 :)
[02:52] <MotorCityMadMan> physical memory=1003 MB free=45MB but i did make a 10GB swap. just incase
[02:53] <flaccid> thats pretty fat
[02:53] <MotorCityMadMan> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 1004 MHz (2012 bogomips), , RAM: 959/1003MB, 135 proc's, 7.29h up
[02:53] <nuku> yes there is no point in wasting free memory .. this can always be used as cache :)
[02:54] <MotorCityMadMan> ok, getting the point of not wasting a good thing
[02:55] <flaccid> my dedicated server maxes out 512mb ram. if i put more in it would prolly chew up a few more 100mb if it can
[02:56] <MotorCityMadMan> anyways i will add 1GB more just for fun
[02:56] <pluto> Is Kubuntu faster than Ubuntu?
[02:56] <Dr_willis> relative..
[02:56] <Dr_willis> with a fast enough macine - i doubt ya can tell the differance.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> I cant tell the diff onmy 2.5 ghz amd64 box
[02:57] <pluto> Dr_willis: I'm runnint a celeron 300A, do you think I'll notice a difference if I intstall Kubuntu?
[02:58] <nuku> pluto: maybe you should go for xubuntu :)
[02:58] <MotorCityMadMan> a motherboard with about 25 banks for 50GB of RAM will do it i think
[02:58] <MotorCityMadMan> i am truly mad
[02:59] <MotorCityMadMan> just don't have walking around scense
[02:59] <pluto> nuku: can you tell me the easiest way to make the switch?  Will I maintain my book marks, files, etc?
[02:59] <trappist> I ran kde (on another distro) on a 300mhz box quite happily for a long time, back when kde was much slower than it is now
[02:59] <nuku> pluto: hmm probably just install xubuntu-desktop ...but i've never done it :)
[03:00] <nuku> this should keep everything you have in your home dir and hence every bookmark and stuff
[03:00] <trappist> pluto: it isn't like installing a new operating system.  it just installs all the packages you need for a nice xfce desktop, which is very lightweight.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> pluto,  a 300mhz machine?
[03:01] <pluto> Dr_willis: Yes, that is correct!
[03:01] <nuku> 300mhz should be enough for everyone :)
[03:01] <Dr_willis> You proberly should use the lightest/smallest window manager you can get by with
[03:01] <trappist> yeah, so should 640kb of RAM ;)
[03:01] <Dr_willis> xfce (xubuntu) or fluxbox, or others
[03:01] <pluto> It appears to get bogged down - takes a long time for applications to open.
[03:02] <trappist> but seriously.  kde should be pretty OK.  I ran it for years on a 300mhz box back when kde was nasty-slow.  or did I mention that :)
[03:02] <trappist> pluto: oh, yeah, you will suffer from that.
[03:02] <nuku> well its more about ram than about cpu with kde
[03:02] <pluto> I'm stoked with ram, 400+ MB
[03:03] <nuku> 512mb should be fine.. but anyway xfce/fluxbox is more lightwight and faster
[03:03] <trappist> app startup time is a lot about i/o too.  it can be improved considerably with prelinking, tweaking fontconfig etc.
[03:04] <faked_> I'm having trouble installing libpng so I can run emulators n' stuff, can someone help me through it?
[03:04] <trappist> faked_: you already have libpng installed
[03:05] <faked_> >_> if I did Visualboy advance wouldn't error me when I try to configure it.
[03:05] <trappist> faked_: it may want a different version than you have installed.  if you can see it looking for a particular libpng*.so, try making a symlink to the one you have.
[03:06] <faked_> a symlink?
[03:06] <faked_> I'm kinda foreign to linux and I just learn as I go so could you define that please?
[03:06] <trappist> a symbolic link - a pointer to a file that's just like the file itself
[03:06] <faked_> so like a shortcut file on windows?
[03:06] <trappist> so when it finds your symlink, it will load your real libpngX.so and hopefully be happy
[03:07] <trappist> faked_: no
[03:07] <nuku> well more like a ntfs link..
[03:07] <trappist> faked_: a windows shortcut file is more like a .desktop file - it's just a text file with info about the file it points to
[03:07] <trappist> a symlink is a filesystem feature
[03:08] <nuku> but this sounds like really messing around anyway :)
[03:08] <trappist> that fat32, for example, doesn't have, and that most people don't know about on ntfs
[03:08] <nuku> maybe the emulator you want to run is already in the repositories
[03:08] <trappist> hey, it is!
[03:08] <trappist> sudo apt-get install visualboyadvance
[03:09] <faked_> how the hell do you guys know what emulators I'm trying to install >_>
[03:09] <trappist> it's in the universe repo
[03:09] <pluto> If I install the KDE desktop, can I switch back to GNOME?
[03:09] <trappist> faked_: you told us
[03:09] <faked_> ...so I did >_>;
[03:09] <trappist> separately, there's a frontend - vbaexpress
[03:10] <Grimjaws> Heh, trying Kubuntu on Parallels atm, Emulation owns. :)
[03:10] <faked_> E: Couldn't find package visualboyadvance
[03:10] <trappist> !universe > faked_
[03:10] <trappist> faked_: it's in the universe repository
[03:11] <faked_> 'the hell does that mean >_>
[03:11] <trappist> faked_: check your private message.  the bot explained it.
[03:12] <faked_> so you're saying I can find VBA in synaptic?
[03:12] <LjL> faked_: Ubuntu's software is contained in repositories. there is a "Main" repository that is enabled by default, because its packages are mantained as part of the core Ubuntu distribution. the "Universe" repository is disabled by default because it contains packages that might not work, and are mantained by different guys. then there's also a "Multiverse" repository, containing stuff that is believed to not be 100% free software
[03:12] <LjL> !info visualboyadvance
[03:12] <nuku> maybe the bot should learn to trigger on common keywords (not the !.* ones) and just explain every faq :)
[03:12] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-4build1 (dapper), package size 793 kB, installed size 2684 kB
[03:12] <trappist> faked_: once you enable the universe repository, yes.
[03:12] <LjL> faked_: yes
[03:12] <thompa> anyone know how to get my mem stick to show
[03:13] <trappist> nuku: I've seen bots that did that.  seems cool at first, but then they get very noisy and are hardly ever right.
[03:13] <faked_> oh. well. that's pretty useful then
[03:13] <thompa> it works in the back not front panel
[03:13] <LjL> nuku: that's been discussed, and decided against, afaik
[03:13] <LjL> faked_: yeah, it is...
[03:13] <LjL> !packages > faked_
[03:13] <nuku> well there need to be more progress in bot AI development ;)
[03:13] <coreymon77> guys
[03:14] <coreymon77> anyone know anything about wireless network cards
[03:14] <trappist> nuku: bots will have to be upgraded from python to ruby for that to happen ;)
[03:14] <trappist> coreymon77: you'll have better luck asking a specific question
[03:14] <coreymon77> well
[03:14] <coreymon77> im just collating data
[03:14] <nuku> trappist: haha the last bot i ran was an eggdrop one ;)
[03:14] <coreymon77> about whats a good wireless network card that will work on dapper out of the box
[03:15] <coreymon77> and will work with a linksys  router
[03:15] <coreymon77> other than a linksys card
[03:15] <trappist> coreymon77: anything with an atheros chipset will make you very happy
[03:15] <coreymon77> cause those are sh*t
[03:15] <coreymon77> the chipset isnt the problem
[03:15] <coreymon77> ralink works perfectly
[03:15] <coreymon77> its the card itself
[03:15] <trappist> it's pretty much all about the chipset
[03:16] <coreymon77> my linksys card has a ralink chipset
[03:16] <coreymon77> and it works perfectly
[03:16] <coreymon77> the problem is
[03:16] <coreymon77> the card itself is shit
[03:16] <trappist> !enter
[03:16] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[03:16] <coreymon77> and the antenna falls off all the time
[03:16] <coreymon77> and i have to get a new one
[03:16] <trappist> coreymon77: then find a card by your favorite manufacturer with an atheros chipset, and you'll be happy
[03:17] <coreymon77> i want to know what manufacturer makes a card that isnt sh*t
[03:17] <coreymon77> and wont break all the itme!
[03:18] <trappist> you might ask in #hardware for opinions on manufacturing quality.  as far as software compatibility, the chipset is what counts (and is on-topic)
[03:18] <coreymon77> let me get, an atheros chipset would be interface ath0 right?
[03:18] <coreymon77> guess*
[03:18] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Purchase an Orinoco Silver or Gold card from ebay for $20.  That's what I did
[03:18] <trappist> it is on my box, yeah.  I think it depends which drivers you use.
[03:19] <trappist> orinoco will work too, usually.
[03:19] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: I got so tired of fighting with ndiswrapper that I went and purchased a supported card
[03:19] <trappist> and what's the other one, prism
[03:19] <coreymon77> i dont need ndiswrapper hawk, iwconfig works with ralink cards
[03:19] <Hawkwind> I paid $20, that included shipping and everything.  Brand new card in a box, unopened
[03:19] <faked_> I can't find the visualboyadvance package, how do I know where to get it?
[03:19] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: I understand that.   In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-4build1 (dapper), package size 793 kB, installed size 2684 kB
[03:20] <trappist> heh, is extra.  makes it sounds like it wants money.
[03:21] <nuku> go for linspire ;)
[03:21] <faked_> but HOW do I enable the universe repository?
[03:21] <trappist> !universe
[03:21] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:21] <thoreauputic> !repos
[03:21] <trappist> faked_: follow that link
[03:21] <faked_> I'm ON that website
[03:22] <Hawkwind> trappist: How's that script coming along :P
[03:22] <trappist> faked_: you add a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list for the universe repo, then sudo apt-get update
[03:22] <trappist> Hawkwind: I got sidetracked by a failed attempt to upgrade to kde 3.5.5, from which I'm still recovering :)
[03:22] <Hawkwind> Ouch!
[03:22] <Hawkwind> I upgraded to 3.5.5 the other day in my vmware edgy install and haven't noticed any issues
[03:23] <coreymon77> thats why i dont upgrade kde
[03:23] <nuku> i upgraded to 3.5.5 without any problems too :)
[03:23] <nuku> (on edgy)
[03:23] <coreymon77> i wait until its included in a ew stable kubuntu
[03:23] <coreymon77> i dont ess with betas
[03:23] <trappist> Hawkwind: yeah, ran into some dependency problems, had to rebuild kdebase and kdelibs to fix those, ran into some build-dep issues, fixed those... currently rebuilding kdebase.
[03:23] <Squatch> How do you set startup programs in KDE?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> It doesn't really bother me if it breaks to the point of being useless since I don't use KDE :)
[03:23] <coreymon77> they have too many problems for me
[03:23] <intelikey> why would nvidia-glx depend on the postdrop group ?
[03:23] <trappist> coreymon77: if it ain't broke, tweak it!
[03:24] <Hawkwind> trappist: Heh yeah I saw all that stuff in the -devel channel.  Looks like quite a mess indeed
[03:24] <coreymon77> trappist, i go by the moto, if it aint broke, dont fix it!
[03:24] <trappist> coreymon77: yeah I've heard that one.  that's for girls.
[03:24] <Hawkwind> If it ain't broke, play with it til it does break :)
[03:24] <coreymon77> thats why im always fixing stuff in windoze :P
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Tis the best way to learn things IMO
[03:24] <intelikey> trappist a man after my own practices
[03:24] <trappist> yeah that's why I upgraded.  I was getting a little too content with everything working all the time.
[03:25] <trappist> now I'm probably cool for the rest of the day with stuff to fix.
[03:25] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:25] <intelikey> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file
[03:25] <intelikey> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[03:25] <intelikey> i know adding the group will probabbly fix that
[03:26] <coreymon77> i dont know how to fix things, so i dont try to break them
[03:26] <intelikey> but why would i be getting that error to begin with ?
[03:26] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: That's how you learn to fix them, break them
[03:26] <trappist> coreymon77: but how will you learn how to fix things, with nothing broken to fix?
[03:27] <trappist> I don't usually know how to fix things, until they break
[03:27] <nuku> hehe after 5 years of gentoo fixing things is almost intuitive ;)
[03:28] <coreymon77> its good for me
[03:28] <coreymon77> my parents wont let me use linux anymore
[03:28] <trappist> nuku: apt must be a dream come true after gentoo
[03:28] <nuku> hehe well i used debian before that for some time ;)
[03:29] <trappist> coreymon77: all kidding aside, I think you should fight that one
[03:29] <coreymon77> if something in linux breaks
[03:29] <intelikey> coreymon77 so don't use linux.   use fbsd
[03:29] <trappist> ... you come here
[03:29] <coreymon77> my parents wont let me use linux anymore
[03:30] <nuku> but binary distributions are not that time consuming .. after many kde updates from source its obvisous what i am talking about ;)
[03:30] <coreymon77> so i dont play around with betas so that im sure nothings gonna break
[03:30] <coreymon77> well the first thing to usually break is my internet
[03:31] <trappist> well there's nothing wrong with a low tolerance for instability
[03:31] <coreymon77> how am i gonna come here if my internet breaks
[03:31] <intelikey> why would your network fail ?
[03:31] <coreymon77> anyways
[03:31] <coreymon77> thats what happens when i goof around with stuff
[03:31] <coreymon77> something breaks
[03:31] <coreymon77> usually my internet
[03:32] <intelikey> goffing in wrong department.
[03:32] <coreymon77> i dont know how to fix it, and then my parents stop letting me use linux
[03:33] <faked_> Okay so I got the whole Universe repositories thing done and downloaded the visualboyadvance package...but now I dunno how to install it
[03:33] <faked_> I did "sudo apt-get install visualboyadvance" but it said I had the newest version >_>
[03:33] <intelikey> fastduke they just kept going back to the bicycle shop until they got it "wright"
[03:33] <nuku> faked_: so you should be able to run it now ;)
[03:33] <faked_> where is it though?
[03:33] <trappist> well I have a wireless connection to a cheap wireless router, connected to a router with a 7-year-old linux distro on it with a flaky nic, going through a dry copper pair for dsl with no phone line, going through a telephone adapter for the VOIP... my internet breaks a lot :)
[03:33] <timthelion> is there a program for linux that teaches languages. I want to learn czech.
[03:34] <fastduke> coreymon77, the key is to give yourself a back way out
[03:34] <fastduke> small changes
[03:34] <coreymon77> w/e
[03:34] <fastduke> something breaks... undo what you just did
[03:34] <coreymon77> upgrading kde to a beta is not small change
[03:35] <fastduke> so run a normal kde plus the beta(if you have enough disk space)
[03:35] <intelikey> coreymon77 one word (acronym that is)  cli
[03:37] <intelikey> but hey i can break the most rock solid stable things there are  :)
[03:37] <intelikey> took lots of practice.
[03:37] <nuku> breaking things can be so easy if you really want to ;)
[03:37] <coreymon77> ive managed to crash kbuntu
[03:38] <coreymon77> ive managed to get my home directory deleted in suse 10
[03:38] <coreymon77> ive broken so many linuxes it is rediculous
[03:38] <intelikey> delete home is nothing.
[03:38] <coreymon77> nothing?
[03:38] <intelikey> yeah nothing.
[03:38] <coreymon77> you want to know how much that fucked my system (pardon my french)
[03:38] <nuku> rm -rf * in the wrong place can be much more fun ;)
[03:39] <intelikey> only as root nuku
[03:39] <nuku> sure
[03:39] <coreymon77> heck
[03:39] <coreymon77>  i even managed to get windoze to crash on me ;)
[03:39] <intelikey> but a good chmod 644 / -R     as root is lots of fun to fix.
[03:39] <coreymon77> lol
[03:39] <BonBonTheJon> !language
[03:39] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:39] <coreymon77> i know
[03:40] <coreymon77> i just needed to use that word for the effect of that sentence
[03:40] <Hawkwind> If you know, then why did you use it.  Please don't from now on
[03:40] <trappist> coreymon77: not really
[03:40] <Hawkwind> Actually you don't
[03:40] <faked_> Okay I have "visualboyadvance express" but I want the full install >_>
[03:40] <coreymon77> i wont
[03:40] <faked_> I installed the full install package but it doesn't seem to be here >_>
[03:40] <coreymon77> ill censor myself from now on
[03:41] <trappist> faked_: there's vbaexpress and visualboyadvance, two separate packages.  one is a front-end for the other.
[03:41] <trappist> faked_: the menu entry is probably for the front end - just run it
[03:41] <faked_> what does that mean?
[03:41] <faked_> I did run the menu entry
[03:41] <intelikey> coreymon77 removing your home dir is nothing.  i do that just to reset to default setting ....    just sudo mkdir /home/`whoami` && exit
[03:41] <Hawkwind> Means one is a GUI for the other
[03:41] <faked_> and it says "VBA Express 1.2"
[03:41] <nuku> faked_: when launching from konsole its VisualBoyAdvance not visualboyadvance
[03:42] <coreymon77> i didnt know that
[03:42] <faked_> but shouldn't it not be express?
[03:42] <coreymon77> and this is suse anyways
[03:42] <intelikey> when you login you have a home dir.  copy the files from /etc/skel and own your home.  you are like new.
[03:42] <coreymon77> w/e
[03:43] <coreymon77> it gave me an excuse for my parents to switch back to kubuntu
[03:43] <nuku> intelikey: well depends on what data you got in your home dir..
[03:43] <nuku> intelikey: and how long your last backup is ago :)
[03:44] <nuku> faked_: just try if the games you want to run are working .. "express" sounds like a name for a frontend/gui ..
[03:45] <trappist> it is, according to apt-cache show vbaexpress
[03:45] <faked_> yeah I got it all workin, thanks for all your help
[03:45] <VooXo> hi all
[03:46] <VooXo> i need a little bit help on booting kubuntu..
[03:46] <VooXo> anyone?
[03:46] <faked_> okay, next, if I run VBA fullscreen, how do I tab out of it without having to close it >_>
[03:46] <trappist> VooXo: you might try a more specific question
[03:46] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: whats the problem
[03:46] <Dr_willis> faked_,  :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis> faked_,  alt-tab ?
[03:46] <faked_> I did that but it didn't do anything >_>
[03:46] <coreymon77> esc usually works
[03:46] <intelikey> childs play.   three commands to fix it.   could be in one string.      example**  sudo rm -fr ~ ;sudo mkdir /home/`whoami` ;sudo cp /etc/skel/.?? /home/`whoami` ;sudo chown `whoami`:`groups | cut -d' ' -f1` /home/`whoami`   ***end example  full reset to clean install settings.   (assumes default linux)
[03:47] <coreymon77> takes it outa full screen
[03:47] <Dr_willis> faked_,  ive noticed with some games - they dont seem to let me get out - unless im usiong some other window manager then kde.
[03:47] <intelikey> and this child is finsih playing now.
[03:47] <Dr_willis> i tend to just play with xmame :)
[03:47] <coreymon77> or alt+enter
[03:47] <faked_> oh well, I just won't run fullscreen then
[03:47] <coreymon77> i think that works
[03:47] <VooXo> i have recently ordered 5 cd's from shipit.kubuntu.org (v6.06 lts), but i have problems with booting kubuntu in live mode
[03:48] <Dr_willis> ya got the cd's just in time for 6.10 to get released. :)
[03:48] <Dr_willis> lol
[03:48] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: what do the cds do when they stop working
[03:48] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon around here they usually find the dust bin
[03:48] <coreymon77> when is edgy stable coming out?
[03:48] <VooXo> well, i have an older pc (celeron 366mhz) and serial mouse... well, when it loads kde, mouse (cursor) doesnt work..
[03:49] <trappist> !schedule
[03:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:49] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: lol
[03:49] <VooXo> i don't know how to make it load drivers for com1 port, and not for ps/2
[03:49] <VooXo> ?
[03:49] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: might want to try xubuntu on the old of a machine
[03:49] <trappist> what's com1?  a serial port?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> VooXo: you have a serial mouse?
[03:49] <VooXo> yes
[03:50] <intelikey> VooXo you do a    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: no usb or ps2
[03:50] <VooXo> no, serial
[03:50] <coreymon77> yay, its coming soon
[03:50] <thoreauputic> VooXo: if this is as old as it sounds, xubuntu seems a better idea
[03:50] <intelikey> VooXo i use ttyS0 mouse here just reconfig x
[03:51] <VooXo> should i reconfigure it by doing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[03:51] <intelikey> thoreauputic na  kubuntu runs fine on a 366mhz box
[03:51] <intelikey> VooXo that's what i said.
[03:51] <VooXo> ok
[03:51] <VooXo> i'll try that...
[03:51] <VooXo> 1 more question, concerning resolution:
[03:52] <VooXo> it displays 1024*768 resolution by default, but i want it to display 800*600 - how do i do that?
[03:52] <intelikey> VooXo that question is in the reconfig too
[03:52] <VooXo> excellent...
[03:53] <VooXo> but, when my mouse stops wotking, i dunno how to acces terminal?
[03:53] <VooXo> what shortcuts should i use?
[03:53] <VooXo> *to access it
[03:53] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+f1
[03:53] <intelikey> console
[03:54] <VooXo> sound good... :)
[03:54] <intelikey> x runs in tty7 by default
[03:54] <intelikey> using alt+f7 to get there from the tty1 console
[03:55] <VooXo> intelikey, hm.. i don't think i get this...
[03:56] <VooXo> " using alt+f7 to get there from the tty1 console"
[03:56] <VooXo> ?
[03:57] <intelikey> VooXo there are by default 6 login consoles tty1 - tty6   you can access any of them with the keys  ctrl+alt+f#     where # is the tty number you want.   tty7 is where X lives.
[03:57] <VooXo> get it..
[03:57] <VooXo> and, what about refresh rate? do i also set that with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[03:58] <intelikey> that way you always have a place to work on the system if needed.
[03:58] <intelikey> and yes.
[03:58] <VooXo> thanks a lot... i'm gonna check does this stuff work...
[03:58] <VooXo> be right back..
[03:58] <intelikey> :)
[03:58] <VooXo> if not, good night everyone
[03:58] <VooXo> ;)
[03:59] <maryen> hi guys
[04:02] <zen> hmmmm
[04:05] <coreymon77> i know this is very off topic
[04:05] <intelikey> when you use here strings where does it write the temp files ?
[04:05] <coreymon77> but sonic, does your name have anything to do with the sonic the hedgehog games?
[04:05] <johey> In ktorrent settings, I have a field that is called (in swedish) "uppladdningsnischer" (I don't know what it's called untranslated, but maybe something like "uploading nisches"). What is that?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> nisches ?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> slots ?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> niches
[04:10] <intelikey> for read Q <<"A" ;do...;done A<<<`something`      where does it write the temp file ?
[04:11] <Ahmuck> ! mp3
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:13] <waspius> hi can anyone tell me a good messenger to use which supports webcam because kopete seems to have a bug
[04:13] <Tm_T> waspius: use 0.12 version
[04:14] <dako> Is there a way around the flash plugin install?
[04:14] <waspius> Tm_T: does it work?have u tried it?
[04:14] <Tm_T> waspius: it works.
[04:14] <waspius> Tm_T: do i have to get it from a site?it is not in the repos i think
[04:14] <Tm_T> waspius: should be in some repos
[04:15] <waspius> Tm_T: with apt-get update and upgrade i have not found anything
[04:17] <Tm_T> waspius: kubuntu.org helps
[04:17] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: moin
[04:17] <waspius> Tm_T: ok thanx
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heya
[04:18] <johey> Dr_willis: I don't really know actually... Though, when selecting a torrent that is either uploading or downloading, then clicking on the tab showing who is up/downloading, the last column is "uppladdningsnisch" and some of the fields have a green checkmark.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> well you allocate so many spaces for uploaders to use on your machine.. slower connection = use less spaces
[04:20] <johey> Dr_willis: Ah. Like slots?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> niche = a small area to put somthing in. :)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Insert Tab A into Slot B. :)
[04:21] <johey> I'd like to have a word with the translator... ;)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> 'the statue was in a small niche in the wall of the church.'
[04:22] <Dr_willis> slot would be a more generic term
[04:22] <johey> Hmm, oki.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> call them  "BinaryReservationDevices"
[04:23] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: where are you putting the icon sets on your site so that later I can find them?
[04:23] <johey> Dr_willis: Can you explain the DHT column in the same tab as well? All fields are marked with a red X.
[04:24] <dennister> g'evening folks
[04:25] <dennister> how do u delete a huge number of nested directories?
[04:26] <trappist> dennister: rm -rf topleveldir
[04:27] <dennister> thanks! and I've got a very stubborn hidden directory...how to make it deletable? it's called 040910 Retail 01.9....
[04:27] <Dr_willis> johey,  go to the DHT setting in the settings area. .and pause the arror over it.. it will popup a tool tim
[04:27] <trappist> dennister: I hate when that happens.  you can't delete the parent dir with rm -rf?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> tip.. normally private trackers advise leaveing DHT Off.
[04:28] <dennister> lord no...it's very stubborn in terms of allowing me to even get into it
[04:28] <johey> Dr_willis: Oh ok.
[04:28] <dennister> someone helped me a couple of days ago, but i didn't think i'd have to do it again
[04:28] <trappist> dennister: what's its full name?  usually that's caused by a very whacky character in the filename
[04:29] <dennister> 040910 Retail <IP_ADDRESS>54
[04:29] <trappist> that doesn't look so bad.  what happens if you rm -rf 040819<tab>
[04:30] <trappist> where <tab> means use the tab key to complete the filename
[04:30] <dennister> ok! it spreads out
[04:30] <trappist> hint: learn to love bash tab completion
[04:31] <dennister> yeah...i'm gonna have to, lol
[04:31] <BonBonTheJon> amen to that
[04:31] <dennister> hey, i loved dos commandline
[04:32] <dennister> BonBonTheJon: ha!
[04:33] <dennister> i did it :-) tab completion
[04:34] <trappist> dennister: man, and I thought it was gonna be some non-utf8 character in the filename that couldn't be entered on the shell
[04:34] <trappist> those are fun.
[04:37] <dennister> well, I still have to get into that hidden directory in order to delete the stuff inside
[04:38] <trappist> dennister: cd 040819<tab>
[04:38] <trappist> err, that's not the hidden directory
[04:38] <trappist> you've lost me
[04:39] <dennister> 040910...now i'm trying to do the tab completion and i'm simply getting beeps
[04:40] <dennister> ph i know
[04:40] <trappist> you usually get that when there's nothing in the current directory starting with what you've typed so far
[04:42] <dennister> yeah...and stuff i thought were empty (having laboriously done it b4 i cam in here) aren't empty
[04:44] <dennister> hi ErikTheRed!
[04:44] <ErikTheRed> hey
[04:44] <dennister> thx for helping me the other night
[04:45] <coreymon77> can you get vmware through apt?
[04:45] <ErikTheRed> sure! everything worked fine then?
[04:45] <trappist> !vmware
[04:45] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[04:45] <dennister> 99.99% of the pps in here are so great about helping
[04:46] <coreymon77> i meant the vmware that you can run virtual oses from
[04:46] <dennister> ErikTheRed: i'm still struggling with the ivtvdrivers, but i think i know why now
[04:46] <trappist> coreymon77: that's the one
[04:46] <coreymon77> what about vmware workstation
[04:46] <trappist> coreymon77: vmware player was made free by vmware - you can run oses in it, but you can't make new virtual machines.  for that, you need the full-on vmware, which isn't free and isn't in the repos.
[04:47] <dennister> apparently we shouldn't use the msp3400 file that comes with ivtv, but definitely should use the saa7127
[04:47] <coreymon77> what do you mean?
[04:47] <coreymon77> so i cant run windows from the free one?
[04:48] <trappist> coreymon77: you can if you already have a vmware virtual machine with windows on it.
[04:48] <dennister> i begged a guy that i think works for ivtvdriver.org for some help, and he explained some stuff that made sense to me
[04:48] <dennister> msp3400 apparently comes with most distros...so that's why it behaves differently than the other ones that are part of the ivtvdriver package
[04:49] <trappist> dennister: getting my ivtv card to work in linux is probably the hardest thing I've done to date in linux.  that was back when the 2.5 kernels were new, and the drivers for 2.5 were totally unsupported, but even making the firmware work was a pain.
[04:49] <dennister> i've been struggling now for the 3rd day...now i'm deleting so I can start out with a cleaner box
[04:50] <dennister> and hopefully i won't get so confused...i even successfully used qtparted and partimage for the 1st time
[04:50] <dennister> :-)
[04:51] <coreymon77> ???
[04:51] <AbortD> how do i setup 2 monitors in kubuntu?
[04:51] <coreymon77> how do i make a virtual machine with windows on it?
[04:52] <coreymon77> i have the windoze cd that came with my computer
[04:52] <coreymon77> how do i make a vm of it?
[04:55] <linuxkid2> what groups should I add a new user to?
[04:58] <dennister> goddangit! there are tons of these hidden files in hidden directories within hidden directories...
[05:00] <dennister> get into a hidden directory, and i can't list anything, let alone rm them
[05:01] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ?
[05:01] <linuxkid2> dennister: ls -a
[05:02] <dennister> all i get is 3 dots for about 25 hidden files
[05:02] <AAA> I have an amarok question, anyone already have my answer?
[05:03] <dennister> and that's just in this one directory...there'll be tons more like this, i know
[05:03] <dennister> i did the ls -a like u suggested linuxkid2
[05:03] <linuxkid2> dennister: if it's to much then pipe it to less
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: try rm -rfv *
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: what is your problem
[05:04] <AAA> can anyone tell me why the default pls player for kubuntu is amarok but it produces no sound nor errors? xmms plays the same stream fine
[05:04] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ?
[05:05] <AAA> BonBonTheJon  that is my problem
[05:05] <pluto> I'm trying to change my desktop from GNOME to KDE.  I did "sudo apt get install...", but when I restarted it loads the GNOME desktop.  How do I load the KDE desktop?
[05:05] <dennister> pipe it to less? have no idea what that means...tried the rm -rfv * and got nowhere
[05:05] <pluto> I'm trying to change my desktop from GNOME to KDE.  I did "sudo apt get install...", but when I restarted it loads the GNOME desktop.  How do I load the KDE desktop?
[05:05] <ghostshadow189> pluto : choose session when u boot
[05:06] <pluto> ghostshadow189: I'm not given an option to choose when booting.  How do I turn on this option?
[05:06] <AAA> this is amarok on a thinkpad A30p.  does amarok work out of the box for you guys?
[05:06] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: in Amarok, go to Settings, then Engine; and tell me what it says
[05:07] <BonBonTheJon> guess ghostshadow189 didnt want help
[05:07] <linuxkid2> AAA: by design it won't play MP3's
[05:07] <linuxkid2> !mp3 > AAA
[05:07] <AAA> linuxkid2  no sound from wmv avi swf mpg mov etc...
[05:07] <BonBonTheJon> linuxkid2: he said xmms played it
[05:07] <AAA> er n00b
[05:08] <AAA> hehe
[05:08] <linuxkid2> That's because amaroK uses xine and you have to install libxine-extracodecs
[05:08] <linuxkid2> for non-free file formats
[05:08] <AAA> I noticed that before my HDD crashed the other day and installed xine and still it didn't work proper.
[05:09] <AAA> I am using the live-cd ATM.  why would the default player be amarock but not ahve the libxine-extracodecs pkg installed?
[05:09] <linuxkid2> Cause Canonical would get sued.
[05:09] <pluto> Please help: How do I get KDE to load on boot and not GNOME?
[05:09] <BonBonTheJon> pluto: when you reach the login screen there should be a menu to select if you want KDE or GNOME
[05:10] <mahmoud> can i get xgl & compiz to work on my kubuntu ?
[05:10] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache show libxine-extracodecs
[05:10] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~
[05:10] <AAA> that is from the live-cd (without changing sources.list)
[05:10] <BonBonTheJon> !xgl
[05:10] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:10] <linuxkid2> it's in either restricted or multiverse, so you would have to modify the sources
[05:11] <AAA> then the default player should be something that works out of the box! imho
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> mahmoud: there you go
[05:11] <linuxkid2> They want you to use Ogg
[05:11] <AAA> like FC1 shipping with mp3 support, that was ghey
[05:11] <linuxkid2> cause MP3 isn't free.
[05:11] <AAA> I know that
[05:11] <linuxkid2> they CAN"T. if you want a distro that does that, use a commercial one like SuSE
[05:11] <AAA> but the mp3 libraries are installed!~
[05:11] <mahmoud> ok i will see
[05:12] <linuxkid2> um, they are?
[05:12] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -l|grep mp3
[05:12] <AAA> ii  kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins            3.5.2-0ubuntu3                          au/avi/m3u/mp3/ogg/wav plugins for kfile
[05:12] <AAA> ii  libgmp3c2
[05:12] <dennister> aha! rm -rf topleveldir <dir name> did it!
[05:12] <AAA>  -r recursive -f force =p
[05:13] <linuxkid2> AAA: I'm sorry, but it's an amaroK and Kaffeine thing. XMMS will do it though. :-)
[05:13] <AAA> and there is no libxine-extracodecs deb
[05:13] <AAA> that is my point!
[05:13] <linuxkid2> I downloaded it only like an hour ago. You may need to enable multiverse.
[05:14] <AAA> seems silly to have that be the default.  just like I think the RH mp3-codecs thing was/is silly
[05:14] <AAA> that is why there is a non-free repo in debian proper
[05:14] <linuxkid2> AAA take it up with your lawyer.
[05:14] <AAA> hehe
[05:15] <AAA> the reason why I want to use it is for the built-in radio.pls and none of them work with the default install
[05:15] <AAA> I was trying to play what it offered me
[05:15] <AAA> and from the standpoint of a new Linux user they'd be like "WTF why doesn't this thing work?"
[05:16] <dennister> ok.../usr/src is now clean and empty :-)
[05:16] <linuxkid2> Maybe, but it is documented in the help site, and has links on the download page. It's obviouse.
[05:17] <linuxkid2> AAA: just buck up and install libxine-extracodecs from one of the disabled repos or use XMMS.
[05:18] <AAA> hehe, no big deal.  I just wanted to pitch in my $.02  My lappy HDD died and I am just using the live-cd until tomorrow.  I very well know...TIMTOWTDI
[05:19] <AAA> root  DON'T IRC AS ROOT
[05:20] <intelikey> root ?
[05:20] <dennister> hey, i had to irc as ubuntu once...i couldn't bootup and was in livecd mode
[05:20] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: there is no one named root
[05:21] <AAA> (22:19) +|+ root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote closed the connection
[05:21] <AAA> scroll up
[05:21] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon there was.
[05:21] <intelikey> -:- root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu  &&  -:- SignOff root: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
[05:22] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: not any more, lol
[05:22] <AAA> p0wn3d
[05:22] <flaccid> a sysadmin
[05:22] <intelikey> </whistels inocently>
[05:22] <zakame> hi all
[05:23] <AAA> hehe, or the box in a dosnet...
[05:23] <AAA> s/the box/the new box/
[05:24] <intelikey> aaa that's the network i usually connect to   the DoS net  :)
[05:24] <AAA> :)
[05:25] <shriphani> how do i install rox in kubuntu ?
[05:25] <AAA> sudo apt-get install rox ?
[05:25] <shriphani> the rox desktop that is
[05:25] <shriphani> i will get the entire desktop ?
[05:26] <AAA> apt-cache search rox first
[05:26] <AAA> see what is available, you _may_ have to enable multiverse
[05:26] <shriphani> i have enabled it
[05:27] <AAA> yeah, enable univers and sudo apt-get install rox-filer
[05:28] <shriphani> then i can use it by selecting session at splash screen cant i ?
[05:28] <AAA> only played with rox once
[05:29] <AAA> I just know how to install stuff =p
[05:29] <AAA> looks like you have to add multiverse to the sources.list in order to get extracodecs...
[05:30] <ncaller> with Gnome-terminal (maybe I'm thinking of just X-term) you can do Ctrl+Shift+(+/-) to enlarge the terminal window but it also enlarges the font keeping the perception in sync as well.  I would love to achieve the same effect with some kind of hotkey combo in konsole.  Anyone know of a way to do this?
[05:31] <AAA> hrm.  installed libxine-extracodecs and restarted amarok and still no sound
[05:31] <intelikey> there doesn't seem to be any "rox" package  what's the correct name ?
[05:31] <ncaller> rox the file manager?
 the rox desktop that is
[05:32] <intelikey> rox-filer is the name of the file manager
[05:32] <bioticpro> How can I enter interactive boot setup in Ubuntu?  (tried hitting "I" , didn't work)
[05:32] <ncaller> rox-filer
[05:32] <shriphani> ok downloaded rox-filer now to try it
[05:33] <intelikey> bioticpro is there an option for that ?
[05:33] <shriphani> brb
[05:33] <bioticpro> intelikey: in Linux there is, but I have not found that in ubuntu boot yet
[05:33] <bioticpro> maybe there is a way to turn that on at the bootloader screen?
[05:33] <intelikey> bioticpro hehhe i keep forgetting that *buntu isn't linux  sorry.
[05:34] <bioticpro> intelikey: yesh, ubuntu is linux, -tweaked
[05:34] <bioticpro> some good tweaks, some bad
[05:34] <intelikey> bioticpro no.  it's in option in one of the init scripts of some linux distros.
[05:35] <intelikey> and linux is the kernel.
[05:35] <bioticpro> yeah
[05:35] <intelikey> all 77m of it.
[05:36] <bioticpro> intelikey: so do you know of a way to enter interactive setup in ubuntu?  my computer stops partway through bootup, and no way to fix without reinstalling
[05:36] <intelikey> bioticpro but aside from all that. what is the desired end result ?
[05:36] <bioticpro> unless I can skip the part in bootup that is stopping the boot
[05:36] <bioticpro> the desired result is to skip loading certain drivers that are messed up
[05:36] <shriphani> this is me from flux :)
[05:37] <bioticpro> right now I can't even get to a command prompt
[05:37] <shriphani> and flux i have begun liking
[05:38] <intelikey> bioticpro boot with   init=/bin/bash    and remount the root fs rw then tweek the startup process and remount ro reboot
[05:38] <AAA> hrm. amarok still won't play anything, but xine will... this is just too much.  now I am on a mission to make it work.  i won't use it once i make it work, it's the principle of the matter...
[05:38] <intelikey> or use a live cd    prolly easier and safer
[05:38] <AAA> bioticpro  <ctrl> <alt> F1
[05:38] <faked_> Heeey guys, I can't get audio to play on youtube, but video plays just fine. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[05:38] <flaccid> AAA: so whats the error
[05:38] <AAA> bioticpro  that will give you a term
[05:38] <AAA> flaccid  no error, it plays and all just no sound
[05:39] <AAA> flaccid  work with xine or xmms or I am sure mplayer if I install it
[05:39] <flaccid> AAA: run it from konsole and see if you get error output
[05:39] <intelikey> bioticpro do you know what it is that's hanging the box ?
[05:39] <bioticpro> intelikey: yes, finding/loading firmware for a video card
[05:40] <intelikey> bioticpro so it's ati drivers ?
[05:40] <intelikey> or no ?
[05:41] <bioticpro> intelikey: no, hauppage
[05:41] <bioticpro> they became corrupted when I was having powersupply issues
[05:41] <bioticpro> at least that is my theory
[05:42] <faked_> Heeey guys, I can't get audio to play on youtube, but video plays just fine. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[05:42] <intelikey> ah   eather way you should be able to remove the symlink from from /etc/rc3.d/   that starts your dm  and  then boot with     3   appended to the boot line to get a console login and a way to work on it.
[05:43] <AAA> flaccid  hrm.  I ran it from the cli after I killed the gui and it just returned a prompt to me.  Then I looked at the ps
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ps aux|grep amarok
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu    6735  1.5  3.4<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   01:28   2:02 /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu    6739  0.0  0.7  26384  8132 ?        S    01:29   0:00 kio_file [kdeinit]  file /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokU21mca.slave-socket
[05:43] <flaccid> AAA: if you don't have anything important amarok config wise. remove ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and  ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc  and try starting it again
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu    8208  0.0  0.9  51968  9416 ?        S    03:30   0:00 kio_http [kdeinit]  http /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokcvWhfa.slave-socket
[05:43] <AAA> I found those and killed them and ran amarok <url> and it is working
[05:43] <flaccid> ok
[05:43] <flaccid> so you prolly had a pid conflict or something
[05:44] <flaccid> all good AAA?
[05:44] <AAA> dunno ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ps aux|grep amarok
[05:44] <AAA> ubuntu    6735  1.5  3.4<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   01:28   2:02 /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[05:44] <AAA> ubuntu    6739  0.0  0.7  26384  8132 ?        S    01:29   0:00 kio_file [kdeinit]  file /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokU21mca.slave-socket
[05:44] <AAA> ubuntu    8208  0.0  0.9  51968  9416 ?        S    03:30   0:00 kio_http [kdeinit]  http /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokcvWhfa.slave-socket
[05:44] <flaccid> !paste > AAA
[05:44] <bioticpro> intelikey: I don't really need the hauppage, its a TV card, not my primamry video, so I can boot without it
[05:44] <flaccid> don't paste
[05:44] <AAA> oops sorry, I didn't mean to do that
[05:45] <AAA> really
[05:45] <shriphani> now i need lightweight appps for fluxbox
[05:45] <flaccid> AAA: so do you have any problems? or is it all done?
[05:45] <AAA> I am just getting used to this thinkpad, there is a middle button right by my space bar
[05:45] <shriphani> not the k things
[05:45] <faked_> Heeey guys, I can't get audio to play on youtube, but video plays just fine. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[05:45] <n8k99> flaccid: are you guys working out a prob with amarok?
[05:45] <flaccid> n8k99: was
[05:45] <shriphani> faked_: youtube uses flash ?
[05:45] <faked_> yeah i know
[05:46] <AAA> flaccid  well, it still leaves lots of zombies after I kill the gui app.  but that is an amarok deal not a kubuntu deal. except that kubuntu ships with broken software
[05:46] <n8k99> flaccid: does it have to do with the sound system dropping out after a few minutes
[05:46] <Hawkwind> !youtube sound
[05:46] <ubotu> If you aren't getting sound while watching videos on youtube then please read this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1087994
[05:46] <shriphani> i remember having heard of flash issues in ubuntu
[05:46] <bioticpro> intelikey: so how do I exactly edit the line in the bootloader so I am able to skip loading that tvcard firmware?
[05:46] <Hawkwind> faked_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[05:46] <flaccid> n8k99: no
[05:46] <shriphani> Hawkwind: gimme a few lightweight apps for irc
[05:46] <flaccid> AAA: what is a zombie. why do you think its broken?
[05:46] <n8k99> flaccid: oh ok so I have a different prob then
[05:46] <faked_> There are, but why wouldn't the sound work if the video works?
[05:47] <flaccid> faked_: could be a lock on the soundcard by another app
[05:47] <faked_> Yeah but audio for other stuff works
[05:47] <intelikey> bioticpro not sure that you can,  but try just appending    single
[05:47] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Huh ?
[05:47] <shriphani> any lightweight app for irc
[05:47] <intelikey> that should get you a root console from which you can work on the system.
[05:47] <flaccid> faked_: some programs require full lock on the card
[05:47] <shriphani> not konservation
[05:48] <shriphani> or is it konversation
[05:48] <Hawkwind> shriphani: GUI - Xchat, CLI - irssi
[05:48] <shriphani> xcht its gtk time then
[05:48] <shriphani> is qt really hated so much ?
[05:48] <intelikey> Hawkwind now do me one.   take over bioticpro's  issue for me.  i need to run.
[05:49] <ErikTheRed> hopefully this is a simple question. How can i change the password for a wallet?
[05:49] <bioticpro> intelikey: thx :)
[05:49] <flaccid> ErikTheRed: kwallet
[05:50] <intelikey> Hawkwind he's got a driver for a tv card that hangs the system.  needs help booting and removing the driver.
[05:50] <intelikey> bioticpro see Hawkwind.    i need to go.   luck with it.
[05:50] <ErikTheRed> well the thing is for my wallet i set the password to the wrong thing and i'm not sure how to change it
[05:50] <ErikTheRed> even through kwallet i can't figure it out
[05:51] <bioticpro> Hawkwind: Hello, so my first thing is what to append to the bootloader line to allow me to get a prompt to fix things
[05:51] <AAA> flaccid  a zombie process (man ps) a process that doesn't have a parent.  It is broken because you can not click on a radio.pls and have it work, you have to kill off all the Z processes before it will work.  plus to use the radio (mp3 streams) that it comes with by default, you not only have to uncomment two lines in your /etc/apt/souces.list but you have to append multiverse to the end of both and then upgrade and install the extra crap.  that is what I me
[05:52] <flaccid> but you don't have any zombie processes
[05:53] <flaccid> and mp3 is not free, thats why you have to install the extra codecs
[05:53] <flaccid> i don't see any issue here at all..
[05:53] <AAA> you are so missing my point
[05:53] <flaccid> what is your point?
[05:53] <AAA> amarok is the default player for shoutcast playlist.  it comes with streams installed by default that it can not by default play
[05:53] <AAA> THAT is my poinht
[05:54] <flaccid> was it an mp3 stream?
[05:54] <AAA> it is what was installed in the default playlist on the live cd
[05:54] <AAA> I understand what you are saying. I know the fraunhauser whoever corp owns the mp3 codec. that is not my point at all
[05:54] <flaccid> oh i guess i don't have that
[05:55] <AAA> the kubuntu install cd is the kubuntu live cd
[05:55] <AAA> am I in the right #channel?
[05:55] <ErikTheRed> hmm for some reason kwalletmanager won't work
[05:55] <flaccid> AAA: paste me the contents of this playlist in question?
[05:55] <AAA> flaccid  you are obviously not a developer of kubuntu
[05:55] <flaccid> AAA: why did you assume i was???
[05:56] <AAA> are there any contributers around that understand what I am trying to convey?
[05:56] <AAA> I sure never did
[05:56] <flaccid> i understand what you are conveying
[05:56] <flaccid> but you don't know why it didn't play
[05:56] <flaccid> you cannot make this conclusion!
[05:56] <AAA> correct.
[05:57] <flaccid> so i'm trying to find out if this default playlist links to an mp3 or not
[05:57] <AAA> if you are using kubuntu and didn't remove amarok, you have the same pls I do
[05:57] <AAA> open it and look
[05:57] <flaccid> location of it?
[05:57] <n8k99> AAA: was this a demux error or did the stream just not play at all
[05:57] <AAA> amarok, the default audio player
[05:57] <flaccid> i don't have a default.pls
[05:57] <AAA> n8k99  no errors, the eq works, just no sound
[05:58] <n8k99> AAA:some of the streams that are included within that playlist of channels are mp3 streams
[05:58] <flaccid> what does the default.pls link to ? a local file or an internet stream?
[05:58] <Squatch> How would I go about sharing some files so that Windows users can see/change them?
[05:58] <n8k99> AAA:what was the specific channel?
[05:58] <Squatch> (Over my network...)
[05:59] <flaccid> AAA: is it ok if you paste the contents of default.pls to me in pm. open it in a text editor and copy the text?
[05:59] <AAA> I tried most of the ones in the default
[05:59] <bimberi> ubotu tell squatch about samba
[06:01] <AAA> jeez, quit amarok and start again, CRASH which launches kmail....
[06:01] <flaccid> AAA: you ignoring me now?
[06:01] <AAA> hol
[06:01] <AAA> d
[06:02] <bioticpro> Hawkwind: are you still here?
[06:06] <kane_> Hi i have a package that i wish to remove but apt-get wishes to remove all of XORG and ubuntu-desktop to do so.   It is not a package that should have this requirement.  Its just the nvidia-beta drivers.
[06:06] <kane_> is there a force remove?
[06:07] <Admiral_Chicago> kane_: -f remove
[06:08] <AAA> be careful. don't think you know more about the pkg mgmt system than dselect
[06:08] <kane_> well, dselct wants to remove all of xorg to get rid of  linux-restricted-modules
[06:08] <AAA> you can sometimes 'pin' and application so it is never upgraded or removed
[06:09] <AAA> kane_  be very careful
[06:09] <kane_> AAA: thanks, im not trying to blow it up
[06:09] <AAA> sounds like you just want to remove the linux-restricted-nvidia-whatever?
[06:10] <kane_> yeah
[06:10] <kane_> pretty much
[06:10] <kane_> but i installed a customer one
[06:10] <AAA> is that the apt-get remove line you give it?
[06:10] <kane_> that apperntly isnt made correctly
[06:10] <kane_> sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-common
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it's just sayning it will remove it, but i don't think that will really happen
[06:10] <AAA> kane_  kane_ ah, just remove the 1st linux-
[06:11] <AAA> that is why it wants to remove xorg
[06:11] <kane_> because -f is Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
[06:11] <kane_> yeah, ive tried it alot of ways, thats command is from the ubuntu wiki
[06:12] <kane_> that does the same
[06:12] <AAA> try it without the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:12] <Evil> hi could someone tell me if kubuntu will work on my powerbook g4 with out being able to boot osx?
[06:12] <n8k99> Evil: I have kubuntu solo on a TiPowerBook
[06:13] <Evil> could i burn kubuntu on a windows machine and have it boot on my mac?
[06:13] <n8k99> Evil: yes, you just have to be certain that you are burning a PowerPC iso
[06:13] <flaccid> sure Evil
[06:13] <kane_> heh, it would like to kill   linux-386*
[06:14] <Evil> im currently downloading kubuntu 6.06.1 desktop-powerpc.iso is this the right one?
[06:14] <n8k99> yes
[06:14] <flaccid> yeah that looks right
[06:14] <Evil> cool thanks ill give it a shot:)
[06:16] <Evil> whats a good program to use to burn this iso? would nero work?
[06:17] <flaccid> should do
[06:17] <flaccid> its just the arch thats different not the image
[06:19] <bronaugh> ok, does anyone know why a netboot install of kubuntu would install ubuntu?
[06:19] <bronaugh> 6.06/amd64.
[06:20] <dennister> hi again pps
[06:20] <dennister> anyone need some help with multimedia?
[06:21] <dennister> <-------a noob who's gotten lots of help, can help with some things
[06:21] <flaccid> <---- a bigger noob
[06:21] <dennister> heheheh...i doubt it
[06:22] <dennister> i just got frostwire up and running...i'm being searched ;D
[06:22] <flaccid> haha
[06:23] <dennister> but i guess no one wants what I'm willing to share at this point
[06:23] <flaccid> what ya got
[06:24] <dennister> 3 albums i recently ripped: Sarah Brihtman, Leonard Cohen, and Joshua Tree
[06:24] <dennister> <--------likes opera, but doesn't have a lot yet
[06:24] <flaccid> what does that have to do with help?
[06:24] <flaccid> opera has heaps..
[06:25] <dennister> sorry....i haven't seen anyone requesting tech/kubuntu help yet since i came back online
[06:26] <n8k99> dennister:my amarok keeps crashing alsa
[06:26] <dennister> frostwire seems easy, so that's good, but i don't think it supports drag and drop
[06:26] <dennister> ah..ok n8k99; ur using the alsa engine?
[06:27] <dennister> or xine?
[06:27] <flaccid> there is an alsa engine??
[06:27] <n8k99> um, xine sorry
[06:27] <dennister> but it's crashing alsa?
[06:28] <flaccid> alsa is a sound system, not an engine :)
[06:28] <n8k99> sorry- amarok is crashing system sound
[06:28] <dennister> flaccid: ur right...have u ever got it working yet n8k99?
[06:29] <n8k99> yes and as long as i do not open anything else or change desktops it works
[06:29] <flaccid> n8k99: #amarok might be of more help
[06:29] <dennister> n8k99: oh dear: I've found that using the settings in kscd actually supports amarok well
[06:29] <n8k99> hmm... ok
[06:30] <dennister> if u can get kscd going, ur on the way to amarok working well
[06:30] <flaccid> wt
[06:30] <flaccid> amarok works well out of the box..
[06:31] <flaccid> what is kscd and how does it help amarok?
[06:31] <dennister> it's in kscd's settings, go to 'extras' configure settings, and in the cdrom device, choose direct digtal playback
[06:31] <trappist> it's for playing audio cds
[06:31] <flaccid> and that fixes amarok how dennister?
[06:31] <dennister> i know, but i had a devil of a time getting my sound going
[06:32] <flaccid> right
[06:32] <dennister> u have to fiddle with the digital playback to get the sound server working optimally
[06:32] <flaccid> well kscd aint going to help
[06:32] <flaccid> no you don't ...
[06:32] <flaccid> for you maybe
[06:32] <dennister> kscd will help if ur having trouble with amarok...it's supposed to work out of the box, but doesn't always
[06:32] <flaccid> n8k99: is kde sound system enabled?
[06:33] <flaccid> dennister: how does it help?
[06:33] <n8k99> flaccid: yes sound system is enabled -
[06:33] <dennister> by choosing the correct audio backend
[06:33] <n8k99> i enable it and then start amarok
[06:34] <n8k99> amarok plays - then I think its gonna act nicely and let me do some work too
[06:34] <dennister> my system still wants to use my usb mike as the default sound driver :-(
[06:34] <dennister> lol
[06:34] <flaccid> dennister: that does not do anything for amarok
[06:35] <n8k99> dennister:am i supposed to deselect digital playback for kscd?
[06:35] <dennister> it supports the sound system backend
[06:35] <dennister> no
[06:35] <flaccid> errr
[06:35] <flaccid> you don't even know what sound system he is using...
[06:35] <flaccid> gosh this shits me
[06:35] <n8k99> right, then kscd does not have anything to do with my amarok settings
[06:35] <dennister> but you may have to find the right dsp module to use 2 fields down
[06:36] <dennister> ok...ignore me
[06:36] <faked_> is there any software for linux that converts mp3s to .wavs?
[06:36] <dennister> yes...find out about lame
[06:36] <faked_> ?
[06:37] <dennister> lame is a codec that you can use to rip cd's, but it also works to convert files from one format to another
[06:37] <faked_> okay
[06:37] <dennister> download it, as well as the ogg vorbis
[06:37] <faked_> why the ogg vorbis?
[06:38] <dennister> they could be encoders actually...not sure...if u rip cd's with KAudioCreator, you'll need at least one decoder
[06:39] <dennister> both lame and ogg vorbis are 2 of the 3 choices...lame is for mp3's
[06:39] <faked_> I don't need to rip CD's, just convert mp3s >_>
[06:39] <dennister> k...but if you do a search in synaptic or adept, you'll probably find lame associated with file converters
[06:40] <dennister> like what ur after
[06:40] <faked_> ...just converting mp3s to wavs so I can put 'em on a CD >_>
[06:40] <faked_> Pretty simple really. Windows has a program called dBPoweramp, but I'm on linux here >_>
[06:40] <dennister> so u need a converter
[06:40] <faked_> Yeah, that's what I said
[06:41] <faked_> Honestly, I need my ipod fixed, but I need music for TOMORROW, so I'm goin' CD-style
[06:41] <dennister> yes, my son uses winamp, probably much like dbpoweramp
[06:41] <faked_> Yeah winamp can do it but it's a lot more confusing, dbpoweramp's just pick a song and hit convert
[06:41] <faked_> but...I'm on linux here >_>
[06:42] <dennister> i know what u mean, i'm still a noob and my windows is shot
[06:42] <faked_> Well I have a windows...but the music I want is on here and I'm too lazy to switch it over
[06:42] <dennister> my disk1 has a physical crack in it and i'm waiting for media replacement
[06:42] <faked_> I see
[06:43] <dennister> i don't switch over, i just access the windows files on my other partitions from linux
[06:43] <faked_> I'd just use my iPod but for some reason, it won't read the music on it. Like, I can load it as a disk, and all my music is on the ipod controls, but the ipod itsself doesn't read the music or video folder
[06:43] <dennister> i have no intention of duplicating music, videos, films, etc. on 2 OS's
[06:44] <faked_> well I have linux on this comp, windows on another. Running windows on this one never worked out too well >_>
[06:44] <dennister> check out what you've already got for music progs, you might have something that will do the conversions
[06:44] <faked_> I've been lookin' but I haven't found much
[06:45] <faked_> amaroK looks like it might do it I just need to figure out how >_>
[06:45] <dennister> it might...there's a wonderful howto about how to do file conversions during the ripping process
[06:46] <dennister> hold on
[06:46] <Evil> could someone help me install kubuntu on my powerbook in pm please? :)
[06:46] <faked_> Evil::I'm kinda new at linux but I MIGHT know a little bit about it...
[06:47] <n8k99> evil: have you run the livecd in your powerbook yet?
[06:47] <Evil> yes all i get is the wheel of death :(
[06:47] <dennister> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/sound/kaudiocreator
[06:47] <n8k99> huh? the spinning beach ball?
[06:47] <dennister> that tells you right away that kAdudioCreator will convert files from mp3 and to it
[06:48] <dennister> it works together with amarok
[06:48] <dennister> oops!
[06:48] <dennister> no, it works together with konqueror
[06:48] <faked_> ooh
[06:48] <Evil> well kinda osx wont boot so all i get is the gray apple and a small wheel underneath was hopeing kubuntu could get past that so i could install it
[06:48] <dennister> and the encoders to do music file conversions
[06:49] <n8k99> Evil: ok reboot and hold down the command-option-P-R keys
[06:49] <dennister> it's actually much easier than it seemed to me when I first tried it
[06:49] <Evil> ok
[06:49] <zeck> oi sou brasileiro, alguem fala portugues?
[06:49] <n8k99> Evil:it will reboot while you are doing that, then hold down the 'c'
[06:49] <n8k99> it should boot from teh CD then
[06:50] <faked_> ooh snap I could make 'em FLAC files >_>
[06:50] <Evil> trying it now
[06:50] <faked_> but those wouldn't work on a CD would they?
[06:50] <dennister> n8k99: I'm sorry about earlier
[06:50] <dennister> not that i know of faked
[06:50] <n8k99> dennister:no problem
[06:50] <Evil> i did that it made the chime sound and rebooted held down the c key and im back to the wheel of death
[06:51] <Evil> i hear the cd spinning but shows nothing on the screen
[06:51] <n8k99> Evil:so it's the white screen and the cpu is trying to boot OSX
[06:51] <dennister> n8k99:  i just struggled so much with my sound system, and that's how i finally got it working, using kscd to get the sound server working properly...i know they're separate things, and separate from amarok
[06:51] <Evil> yup
[06:52] <dennister> but amarok was giving me trouble at first 2...oh well
[06:52] <faked_> dennister this looks like it'll only work with files on a CD
[06:52] <dennister> there are better tech support ppl in here than I
[06:52] <faked_> What I"m trying to do is make files that are on my computer .wav files so that I CAN put them on a CD
[06:52] <dennister> faked; keep reading the howto in the link i told u about
[06:53] <n8k99> Evil:is your osx working at all? do you have an osx cd? i had to reinstall osx, then install kubuntuafter that
[06:53] <dennister> yes, but it's the same process faked, just backward
[06:53] <dennister> if u have the encoders installed, u can access them for toehr progs, too
[06:53] <dennister> <------should quit while she's ahead
[06:54] <Evil> n8k99 check pm
[06:54] <dennister> serpentine is a cd creator i have here, but i haven't used it yet
[06:55] <dennister> it looks very simple, but is more of a burner i think...not a converter
[06:56] <Brydenn33> is there a way to "clear" something from configing so i can use Adept Manager again?
[06:56] <Brydenn33> i tried installing some libraries and they had dependency problems
[06:56] <Brydenn33> so i just wanna get rid of 'em
[06:56] <n8k99> evil:i have also cycled the process several times, CMD-OPT-P-R then C then C
[06:56] <dennister> brydden33: yes,
[06:57] <Evil> press c after the chime and hold? or press it 2 times?
[06:57] <Brydenn33> dennister: ok, what do i need to do :)
[06:57] <dennister> u have to go into the installers' cache and clear it from that
[06:57] <Evil> i dont have my osx cd's thats why im trying to install kubuntu cause i cant repair osx with out the cd's
[06:57] <Brydenn33> dennister: how do i do that?
[06:57] <dennister> i had to go into dpkg's cache a couple of times, clearing progs from there let me use blocked installers
[06:58] <dennister> are there any apps blocking further downloads from adept?
[06:58] <Brydenn33> no
[06:59] <dennister> k, what was happening b4 adept stopped working?
[06:59] <n8k99> evil:i hold it down for about thirty to four seconds, if it takes  you back to WOD, then retry again
[06:59] <Evil> ok
[06:59] <Brydenn33> dennister: like i said, i was trying to install some libraries i downloaded from the web
[06:59] <Brydenn33> they had dependency problems and never fully configured because of that
[07:00] <Brydenn33> no Adept Manager wont run
[07:00] <n8k99> evil:after three or four attempts do teh P-R trick again
[07:00] <Brydenn33> tells me to run apt-setup or apt-get update
[07:00] <Brydenn33> and that doesnt work
[07:00] <dennister> i scrolled up...now adept isn't working...that's why i originally thought other badly-installed apps were blocking adept
[07:00] <Brydenn33> oh ok
[07:00] <n8k99> evil: before retrying- it's sort of like popping the clutch to start the car on a hill
[07:00] <Brydenn33> yah sorry
[07:01] <Evil> n8k99 can this be done from singleuser mode?
[07:01] <Brydenn33> dennister: so what should i do now?
[07:01] <dennister> try going sudo remove --purge <your binaries filename's>
[07:01] <Brydenn33> uhm i already deleted the .debs i was trying to install
[07:02] <n8k99> evil: you are still trying to get the cpu to boot from cd right?
[07:02] <Evil> yes
[07:02] <Evil> nothing so far
[07:02] <dennister> ok, use kong to go into the cache's of your varioous intallers to see if those binaries are still there
[07:02] <dennister> they could be blocking adept
[07:03] <bLaZeD> what package do i need to keep my system clock synced up...i rebooted to windows now my time says its 10:02 but its actualy 1 am i think....
[07:03] <Evil> i used magic iso to burn the cd made it bootable is that allright? or should i re-burn with different software?
[07:03] <dennister> bLaZeD: i use ntp and ntp simple
[07:03] <n8k99> evil: you can reburn - make sure it is the most dependable settings
[07:03] <dennister> that will keep your clock synced with the internet
[07:03] <Brydenn33> dennister: sudo remove doenst even work!
[07:04] <bLaZeD> dennister, to synce it what do u hit?
[07:04] <Brydenn33> brydenn@c-67-169-218-218:~$ sudo remove --purge libfontconfig1
[07:04] <Brydenn33> sudo: remove: command not found
[07:04] <bLaZeD> or rather what command do u run
[07:04] <dennister> sorry...it's apt-get remove --purge <app>
[07:04] <n8k99> also try burning a copy of breezy badger, as it has a different install prog that woks dif
[07:04] <Evil> im not to good with burning iso's is there any user friendly software i can use that will make this bootable cd?
[07:04] <numenus> use aptitude instead of apt - it handles the dependencies much better
[07:04] <n8k99> i dont know much about M$ stuff
[07:05] <dennister> bLaZeD:  ntp and ntp simple are daemons u download with synaptic
[07:05] <Evil> should i burn it as apple hfs+ ?
[07:05] <dennister> Brydenn33: numerous is right
[07:05] <bLaZeD> dennister, ahh k got ya....i had ntp installing ntp-simple now
[07:05] <n8k99> evil: no as an iso
[07:06] <shriphani> Evil: k3b ?
[07:06] <Evil> the one is burnt is iso 9660 and joilet
[07:06] <dennister> i just haven't used aptitude yet
[07:06] <Evil> k3b? whats that
[07:06] <Brydenn33> what is aptitude?
[07:06] <shriphani> an app
[07:06] <Brydenn33> is it a gui installer like Adept Manager?
[07:06] <dennister> but i'd read about it being better for dependencies...
[07:06] <n8k99> shriphat: he hasn't been able to install kubuntu onto his pb yet
[07:06] <shriphani> Brydenn33: its like apt-get
[07:06] <shriphani> oh n8k99
[07:06] <dennister> <----------needs to start using aptituude; note to self
[07:06] <numenus> no, its a command line package manager - like apt, just better
[07:09] <numenus> has anyone upgraded to edgy? I'm thinking of installing it...
[07:09] <dennister> <-----needs a good graphical filesharing program
[07:09] <bLaZeD> dennister, ive installed both of those....the ntp-server seems to be running...but it hasent changed my time its still the wrong time
[07:10] <dennister> bLaZeD: have u tried right-clicking the clock applet?
[07:10] <n8k99> numenus: i am running edgy
[07:10] <Evil> should this iso be burnt as iso level 2 windows/unix ? or level 1 dos ?
[07:11] <n8k99> level 2
[07:11] <Evil> or iso 9960
[07:11] <bLaZeD> dennister, im in fluxbox not kde...so right clicking the time doesnt do/show the same stuff i dont think
[07:11] <n8k99> oh iso 9960
[07:11] <bLaZeD> dennister, maby i will try to go into kde and give it a shot in a few
[07:11] <dennister> oh i c, i really like kde...and this is (K)ubuntu
[07:12] <dennister> at first i thought i like gnome better, but not now
[07:12] <numenus> dennister: I was using gnome up until last night, and thought I liked it better too
[07:13] <numenus> dennister: there are things about gnome I like, but kde just gives many more optsion for tweaking
[07:13] <numenus> n8k99_: so, how is edgy? run into many problems during the upgrade?
[07:14] <n8k99_> numenus: it's very nice - am having trouble with amarok right now
[07:14] <dennister> numenus: exactly
[07:14] <n8k99_> numenus: also when I poweron, have to restart the x server before I can sign into kdm
[07:14] <ke> Unfortunately it's a never ending discussion :( I can't decide either
[07:14] <n8k99_> numenus: i actually did a clean install
[07:14] <ke> But then again, competition is a good thing :)
[07:15] <numenus> n8k99_: hmm - perhaps I'd better wait... I've just got XGL/Beryl running nicely on dapper
[07:15] <dennister> after windows (and esp if you had trouble installing ur first distro), u think you like a clean-looking desktop...and long for simplicity
[07:16] <n8k99_> numenus: compositing as is built into kde works really nicely
[07:16] <dennister> but then you need to actually start configuring and working with it...most instructions are for kde apps
[07:16] <n8k99_> numenus: http://eckenrodehouse.net/images/worldview.png
[07:16] <n8k99_> numenus: some tweaks to my desktop in edgy
[07:17] <dennister> numerous, do u know a good bitlord-like app?
[07:17] <coreymon77> gnight everyone
[07:17] <numenus> dennister: no, sorry I do not
[07:18] <coreymon77> dennister, btw, azureus or ktorrent work just fine
[07:18] <dennister> i've got frostwire working here, and it was pretty easy, but...doesn't seem to support the drag-n-drop of stuff i've found via google
[07:18] <coreymon77> goodnight everyone!
[07:18] <dennister> night coreymon77
[07:18] <n8k99> gn!
[07:18] <numenus> gnite
[07:18] <dennister> azureus was giving me trouble
[07:18] <coreymon77> cya all tomorrow
[07:18] <dennister> i had it working well in windows
[07:19] <numenus> n8k99_: well, my connection is creeping - your screenshot is still loading ;D
[07:19] <dennister> ktorrent starts and stalls...doesn't actually download for more than a few seconds
[07:21] <n8k99> numenus:sorry about that- it's a large screenshot - I should just make that a webpage instead
[07:21] <numenus> n8k99: heh, well it looks nice anyway
[07:21] <zam> how to install mplayer and the wine32 codecss and some other importing things pleases ?
[07:22] <bronaugh> you don't really need the win32 codecs so much now.
[07:23] <zam> bronaugh:  i do and i need mplayer also ?
[07:23] <bronaugh> well, it's part of the multiverse or universe afaik... did you choose to use those when you installed?
[07:23] <bronaugh> if you did, mplayer should be in there.
[07:24] <bronaugh> dunno about the win32 codecs -- but as I said, not so necessary now. fortunately there's libraries like ffmpeg that play nearly anything.
[07:24] <zam> bronaugh: i remember i link inubuntu about sutch problime bu i cant remmember where ?
[07:25] <numenus> dennister: are you a recent convert from windows?
[07:26] <n8k99> numenus:great thanks
[07:26] <bronaugh> zam: not sure how you add it after install on ubuntu... new to ubuntu.
[07:27] <bronaugh> in Debian I'd just abuse it into /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:27] <xoma> Hello
[07:27] <zam> bronaugh: it is the same i juse need the surcess for things like that
[07:28] <xoma> Where can i find information about setuping samba+ldap?
[07:28] <o1ng0b01ng0> anyone know how to permanantly change resolv.conf?
[07:28] <bronaugh> zam: don't know offhand; not on a ubuntu machine right now.
[07:28] <dennister> gnight all
[07:28] <unix_infidel> is there any word on when python-2.5 will be available for ubuntu.
[07:28] <o1ng0b01ng0> I have to keep restting the dam thing to my nameservers
[07:29] <CVirus> o1ng0b01ng0: edit this file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[07:29] <o1ng0b01ng0> k
[07:31] <o1ng0b01ng0> I'll have to read up on that file before I go messing with it
[07:32] <numenus> zam: go here for install steps  --- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[07:32] <derekS> can someone help me figure out how to get remote X to work?
[07:33] <numenus> zam: and click the restrictedformats link and it shows how to install w32codecs
[07:43] <Brydenn33> ok i'm still having a problem
[07:44] <Brydenn33> my libfontconfig1 is BROKEN (installed)
[07:44] <Brydenn33> and so is my libfontconfig1-dev
[07:44] <Brydenn33> how do i fix it?
[07:48] <komputer> yyyyyyyyyyyyyru
[07:48] <numenus> Brydenn33: maybe try removing and reinstalling -- "sudo aptitude remove" <package name(s)> -- then do --- "sudo aptitude install" <package name(s)> --
[07:49] <Brydenn33> ok numenus
[07:51] <Brydenn33> numenus: SWEET! it worked :)
[07:52] <numenus> Brydenn33: great :D
[07:53] <Brydenn33> so what's so great about aptitude now? it does better with dependencies how?
[07:54] <bimberi> !aptitude
[07:54] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:55] <Brydenn33> hmm well why dont they make a GUI for that?
[07:55] <Brydenn33> seems like it would be pretty beneficial to the user
[07:55] <numenus> well, I suppose it would be - but there a lot of useful tools that are command line only
[07:55] <numenus> go figure :D
[07:55] <Brydenn33> ya i know. but i dont like having to type all the damn time haha
[07:56] <Brydenn33> i'd rather click a few options and have it do everything it needs to
[07:56] <Brydenn33> instead of spelling it out in commands
[07:56] <numenus> well, start writing the code for an aptitude gui :D
[07:56] <Brydenn33> haha ;) right
[07:56] <Brydenn33> if i could i would
[07:56] <aridity|Kub> hmm, which directory should I install irssi to?
[08:03] <numenus> alright... goodnight everyone
[08:06] <zam> i dont know what the hell hapning to me guyes so pleases help the video is shown but i get no sownt sound at all ?
[08:18] <charlie5> hi
[08:18] <charlie5> what adept packages would i need to get konqeror to load 'flash' pages ?
[08:22] <pete> i ran into a problem with adept on the new beta:
[08:23] <pete> i was letting my machine update, but i came up with an error halfway thru the install, i tried to restart the program but apparently there is a process running in the background
[08:24] <pete> that is using adept or apt get or something
[08:24] <pete> rebooting didn't help either, any ideas?
[08:25] <Empiric> hi all
[08:25] <Empiric> i have implement kiosk too, in my kubuntu user
[08:25] <Empiric> its doing wired things
[08:26] <Empiric> i delete all things from my K menu except internet and office and kmail
[08:26] <Empiric> but am seeing utilities and system seetings though
[08:26] <Empiric> any idea
[08:26] <Empiric> ?
[08:27] <pete> hmm
[08:27] <pete> did you right-click on the icon and select menu editor?/
[08:29] <pete> that work for you empiric?
[08:29] <Empiric> yes but not completely
[08:30] <Empiric> i delerte all things from l menu
[08:30] <pavel> cau je tu nejakej cech nebo ceska???
[08:30] <sF|Xemanth^> :q
[08:30] <sF|Xemanth^> ups
[08:30] <zam> how to enabled the Universe and Multiverse repositories., where to find this   repositories.,?
[08:31] <zam> i know how to add them just where is a liste of them ?
[08:32] <sF|Xemanth^> zam: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:32] <zam> sF|Xemanth^:  i dont think i have them in my sources.list file ?
[08:33] <DHGE> http://www.google.com/search?q=sources.list+fur+kubuntu
[08:36] <pete> i consistently get an error when trying to install the apt-index-watcher package.... :(
[08:36] <Empiric> pete
[08:36] <Empiric> any idea
[08:38] <pete> empiric sory man i dont quite know my way around this stuf myself yet... menu editor would have been my course of action
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> pete: what is the error? post the last line of output
[08:41] <Brydenn33> hey does anyone here have DC++ installed on Kubuntu or a similar program?
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Brydenn33: what is DCC
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> IDE?
[08:41] <Brydenn33> DC++ is a peer 2 peer program
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> could try frostwire
[08:42] <unix_infidel> man is advanced subnetting just craptacular when messing with firewalls.
[08:42] <unix_infidel> especially transparent subnets :(
[08:43] <Brydenn33> Admiral_Chicago: frostwire is NOTHING like DC++
[08:43] <Brydenn33> but thanks
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> does anyone have an HTTP tunnel package for ubuntu?
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i want to set a package to tunnel using HTTP but I don't know how to do it
[08:47] <partack> oooh >.> kubuntu support channel =D  awesome
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> yea its a good thing
[08:47] <partack> i'm new to linux ^-^ so this is convenient =P
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: how new?
[08:48] <partack> well i've messed around with suse liike, once.. a while ago.. and i didn't like it so i had it for 1 day and then i deleted it because i couldn't get internet working
[08:48] <partack> and now i'm ready to give linux a good thorough learning.
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: have you checked out easyubuntu
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> !easyubuntu > partack
[08:49] <Empiric> helo
[08:49] <Empiric> hai
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> hi
[08:49] <Empiric> i found it pete
[08:49] <Empiric> theirs a bug in kisttool in kubuntu
[08:49] <Empiric> it wont have changes in k menu it wont save
[08:49] <Empiric> any other tools instead of kisktool
[08:50] <Empiric> plz guide me
[08:50] <partack> not yet, ive been meaning to.. but the problem is i can't get my wireless card to work =( and ive had so many thigns go wrong so far that shouldn't have gone wrong..  i'm wired to my wireless router ATM to try and fix the problem =(
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: try this
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless > partack
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: did you search the ubuntu forums?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> they dave a ton of support
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> they might have fixed the bug and documented it
[08:51] <partack> Cheers muchly AC (your nickname ;P) i'll give this a read through ^-^
[08:51] <pete> empiric sorry man i dont know what kistool is
[08:53] <Empiric> no
[08:53] <Empiric> can u help me Admiral
[08:53] <Empiric> kiosk is buggy
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: hold on
[08:54] <Empiric> plz
[08:54] <Empiric> am waiting
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the package called?
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ah kistool
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: i have no idea
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i've never used kistool and this is the first time i've ever heard of it
[08:57] <Empiric> kiosk admin tool
[08:57] <Empiric> u have it with apt-get install kiosktool
[08:58] <partack> um.. can anyone please tell me what this means?  i typed in make  and it told me Makefile:34: Makefile_cst: No such file or directory
[08:58] <partack> there's a makefile int he directory
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: what package?
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: well I looked on ubuntu forums, kubuntu forums, and launch pad and I didn't find anything on the bug
[09:00] <partack> i'm trying to install Rutil  (Cos wireless assistant is sorta half-assed and not working, or something)
[09:00] <partack> 1 sec
[09:00] <partack> see, i'm following a how-to from the ubuntu  website
[09:00] <partack> i'll pull it up, 2 seconds
[09:01] <partack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500
[09:01] <partack> err
[09:01] <partack> thats the wrong one
[09:01] <partack> sorry
[09:03] <partack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/RalinkRT2500Old/DriverAndRaconfigOld#head-93b21a695de4d96bae3735496a6845b31d95e04e
[09:03] <partack> there we go
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: did you install build-essentials?
[09:04] <partack> i did indeed. i wasn't able to while i was offline so i kept getting 'couldnt find package 'build-essential'  but i have them now
[09:05] <partack> (i've only jsut figured out packages are mostly URL's)
[09:05] <Empiric> any one works on kiosktool
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: packages are downloaded from a website
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> that way you don't have the 1800 packages on your computer
[09:06] <partack> *nod* i know that now
[09:07] <partack> but i'm clueless now =(  i get this whenever i try to make (using that how-to) and googlign it pulled nothing up..
[09:07] <partack> Makefile:34: Makefile_cst: No such file or directory
[09:07] <partack> make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile_cst'.  Stop.
[09:09] <partack> all i need to do is get my wireless card working =( then i can be happy and play around with various linuxy things ^-^
[09:09] <fdoving> what wireless card?
[09:10] <partack> it's (apparently formt he previosu help i've had)  a Realink based card and it uses the module RT61
[09:10] <fdoving> not rt25xx ?
[09:10] <partack> nope. rt61
[09:11] <fdoving> partack: take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132980
[09:12] <partack> OOH!" >.>  *checks it out*  thank you so very much ^-^
[09:12] <fdoving> partack: are you using dapper?
[09:12] <partack> yes i am =)
[09:12] <fdoving> partack: then browse down to "(b) rt61 in Dapper"
[09:13] <fdoving> after "Some additional notes:"
[09:13] <damian> how many linux users does it take to install windows and end all their frustration?
[09:13] <fdoving> damian: i would never join them :)
[09:13] <partack> THAT's it! that's the Hardware thingy i got! unknown device 0302! =D  this cn help me muchly ^-^
[09:14] <partack> i'll check it out. i'll let you knwo how i get on ^-^
[09:14] <tbag> can't get dual display to work
[09:14] <tbag> can anyone help?
[09:14] <fdoving> partack: scroll down to the part i told you.. it'll save you alot of work.
[09:15] <partack> ooh right i thought i was lookign at what you meant ^-^;; sorry, i got all excited cos it made sense to me.
[09:15] <partack> (b) rt61 in Dapper
[09:15] <fdoving> correct.
[09:15] <qor> Hey guys... any ideas on what could be causing this?
[09:15] <qor> frank@worf:~$ sudo apt-get check
[09:15] <qor> Reading package lists... Done
[09:15] <qor> Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[09:16] <fdoving> qor: sounds bad.
[09:16] <qor> I know :p
[09:16] <qor> how does one fix the package that fixes packages?
[09:16] <fdoving> try 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get check'
[09:17] <fdoving> qor: you can also try 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[09:17] <qor> bingo~
[09:17] <qor> apt-get -f wouldn't work
[09:17] <qor> an update/check fixed it
[09:18] <fdoving> :)
[09:18] <qor> wonderful, thanks a bunch!
[09:18] <fdoving> you're welcome :9
[09:21] <partack> umm...  why does linux hate me? =(
[09:21] <partack> mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/Wireless/RT61ST': No such file or directory
[09:21] <Momal> Anyone know a good video screen capture program So I can record mouse movements etc.
[09:22] <flaccid> partack: parent dir probably doesn't exist
[09:22] <fdoving> partack: 'sudo mkdir -p /etc/Wireless/RT61ST'
[09:22] <partack> YAY ^-^ thank you fdoving =) that did it
[09:23] <partack> *Continues how-to*
[09:23] <partack> wait,
[09:23] <partack> what did th e-p do?
[09:23] <partack> just curious
[09:23] <partack>  i need otlearn these things ^-^
[09:24] <fdoving> mkdir -p makes every directory needed to make /etc/wireless/RT61ST, like if /etc/Wireless doesn't exist, it makes that too.
[09:24] <partack> ic
[09:24] <partack> thank you =)
[09:24] <fdoving> you can do like 'mkdir -p /tmp/dir1/dir2/dir3' and it'll do the same as 'mkdir /tmp/dir1;mkdir /tmp/dir1/dir2/;mkdir /tmp/dir1/dir2/dir3'
[09:25] <maryen> mkdir doesn't make you money or pay the bills tho
[09:25] <maryen> lazy
[09:25] <partack> lol..
[09:28] <Squatch> Gah!  I'm using a dual monitor setup and for some reason, on my second monitor, I have a taskbar on only one of the four desktops >_<.  Any suggestions to get it back in the other two?
[09:28] <partack> can't you make one? right clicking the desktop?
[09:29] <flaccid> w0a i didn't even know about -p
[09:29] <flaccid> thats cool
[09:29] <Squatch> Not on mine, I can create lots of other stuff, but no taskbar...
[09:29] <partack> actually, scratch that. . guess not
[09:30] <Squatch> KDE is acting really funky too.  My right monitor is my secondary monitor, and options to affect how the taskbar looks/acts don't always work...
[09:31] <Torched> you guys know why linux is free?
[09:31] <Torched> because no one would pay for product like that
[09:31] <flaccid> no linux is actually free because of the GNU GPL
[09:31] <Torched> no, that's how it's free flaccid
[09:31] <Torched> that's not why it's free
[09:31] <flaccid> same thing in this case
[09:32] <Torched> nope
[09:32] <partack> lol torched.  is this linux joke night?  that one about the mkdir and now that?
[09:32] <flaccid> so are you speaking for the whole world, Torched?
[09:32] <flaccid> nobody being the operative word there
[09:32] <Torched> i asked the whole world flaccid, they agree with me
[09:32] <flaccid> you didn't ask me
[09:32] <flaccid> and its also impossible to do what you said
[09:32] <Torched> you were the last person to voice your opinion
[09:32] <Torched> now my survey is complete
[09:33] <Torched> the overwhelming majority of people agreed with me
[09:33] <partack> flaccid: does the internet count as the world?
[09:33] <flaccid> meh ur full of shit Torched
[09:34] <pete> anybody know if they upgraded legacy drivers for the new beta?
[09:34] <partack> okay, so , linux hates me..  in the how-to it says to type  cp *.bin /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/
[09:34] <pete> how can i check the date of the drivers?
[09:34] <partack> but it tells me cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt2561.bin': Permission denied
[09:34] <flaccid> partack: the user are you do it under doesn't have write access. try using sudo with the command
[09:37] <partack> ohwait it was all a typo's fault. sorry about that. *nod* thank yout hough =)
[09:38] <flaccid> cool
[09:38] <pete> network interface ra0 shows up when i do iwconfig, but when i do ifup ra0 it tells me that is an unknown interface..... anybody have any ideas at all???
[09:45] <raul12>  how to install i386 software on x64 machine(AMD)
[09:45] <partack> pete: you're in the same boat as me, m8   go here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132980
[09:45] <raul12>  ok
[09:45] <partack> look at (b)
[09:46] <partack> (if you're using dapper)
[09:46] <raul12>  plz help
[09:48] <flaccid> raul12: i don't know if you can, maybe you can. would require emulation. try ##linux
[09:49] <fdoving> raul12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[09:49] <Arlington> how to install a .rpm package?
[09:49] <flaccid> Arlington: by command line or a GUI?
[09:49] <Arlington> what ever :-)
[09:50] <raul12>  /msg raul12 set unfiltered on
[09:50] <fdoving> Arlington: you shouldn't install rpms in ubuntu.
[09:50] <fdoving> !rpm
[09:50] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[09:51] <Arlington> well it's the only linux versionof this program...
[09:51] <windshear> no source?
[09:51] <fdoving> !alien
[09:51] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[09:51] <flaccid> sorry i had to go afk
[09:51] <Arlington> windshear. i don't know.
[09:51] <flaccid> i'd prolly get the files out of the rpm and install them manually
[09:51] <fdoving> Arlington: get alien then. might not work but it's could be worth a try.
[09:52] <Arlington> the alien is the program that makes a .deb package of the rpm file right?
[09:52] <fdoving> yes.
[09:53] <Arlington> um.
[09:54] <Arlington> how do i install a .deb package? is it sudo ./filename?
[09:55] <fdoving> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[09:55] <Arlington> thnx
[09:56] <fdoving> or rightclick -> kubuntu menu -> install package (or something like that)
[09:59] <flaccid> fdoving: hmm i don't have that feature
[10:03] <Arlington> the program i'am trying to install is slimdevices slimserver. when install is done it tells me to go to: http://jonas-desktop:9000/ but the browser can't find it any thoughts?
[10:03] <flaccid> Arlington: did you run the program?
[10:04] <Arlington> yes i installed it and the installer told me the thing above...
[10:04] <flaccid> run
[10:04] <flaccid> not install
[10:05] <Arlington> don't know how to run it (neewbie) yes i know because i can't find it in the staartmenu...
[10:05] <fdoving> it's probably running in the background, and you can access it with the webbrowser at that address.
[10:05] <fdoving> Arlington: try http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9000
[10:05] <Arlington> yes that is the thing in windush
[10:06] <flaccid> it may not be running at all
[10:06] <fdoving> true.
[10:06] <flaccid> rpm doesn't init after install does it? and he converted from rpm to deb first anyway?
[10:06] <Arlington> yes i converted.
[10:06] <fdoving> you can check that with 'fuser -v 9000/tcp'
[10:07] <fdoving> if it's running on that port, that is.
[10:07] <Arlington> the terminal just scips a line ...
[10:08] <flaccid> i don't think fuser works for normal/admin user by default coz of perms
[10:08] <flaccid> sudo fuser -v 9000/tcp
[10:08] <Arlington> i ran it as sudo
[10:08] <flaccid> ok its not going then
[10:08] <flaccid> you probably need to run the binary from the package
[10:09] <fdoving> or the alien process failed somehow.
[10:10] <Arlington> no the alienprocess ran succesfully.
[10:10] <partack_> YES!!! YESS!! YES!! IT WORKS ! ^-^
[10:10] <partack_> it finally works ;_;
[10:10] <partack_> thanks for all your help guys ^-^  got my wireless card going =)