[02:14] <timo> hello all
[03:22] <persia> For SRU verification: how many people need to test to move from verification-needed to verification-done?  If there are two positive verification tests, can anyone adjust this, or must it be a member of the SRU verification team?
[08:11]  * smb_tp yawns
[08:47] <ara> morning all!
[08:53] <davmor2> Morning
[16:58] <DIVER> ppl, when i can download alpha 6?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> It should be released on 2009-03-12
[16:59] <DIVER> thanks )
[17:18] <Chubakur> Ubuntu have beta? Or alpha only ? :-)
[17:18] <Chubakur> sorry, i bad speak at English
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu Jaunty is in alpha right now.
[17:19] <charlie-tca> After alpha 6 will be a beta image.
[17:19] <Chubakur> nice :-)
[17:19] <Chubakur> thanks
[17:20] <apw> cr3, just a warning i pushed up some suspend_test fixes, hope i haven't bust anything
[17:54] <cr3> apw: you might like to keep the author in the changelog to schwuk or myself, because we do the packaging and such. also, the changelog should not containing a leading empty line :)
[17:55] <cr3> apw: other than that, all good
[17:55] <apw> dch does that crap to me by itself
[17:55] <cr3> s/containing/contain/
[17:55] <apw> and the blank line ... DOH
[17:55] <apw> sorry
[18:06] <borik_> I am 8.10 updating 9.04 alpha 5
[18:06] <borik_> Feary
[18:08] <borik_> alternate cd
[18:13] <borik_> ааа
[18:13] <borik_> Kernel Panic
[19:32] <xXHorstiXxx_> hi


[00:06] <TheMuso> Hey robert_ancell. How was your trip?
[00:31] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, hey, it was good
[00:35]  * TheMuso sighs. More people emailing me about their audio problems, and not either filing a bug, or pointing me to the bug.
[02:22]  * RAOF enjoys a perk of working from his brother's place - there's an espresso machine, and someone to drive it!
[02:47] <robert_ancell> pitti, can you look at bug 551460 and let through the queue if looks good
[03:01] <TheMuso> RAOF: heh
[05:11] <robert_ancell> pitti, also, please look at bug 189543
[07:03] <pitti> Good morning
[07:04] <pitti> robert_ancell: gnome-doc-utils isn't in the queue; was it already accepted?
[07:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: there's no changelog for g-doc-u 0.2.0; would you mind attaching one, for checking FF and regression potential?
[07:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, couldn't upload g-d-u, is in bzr
[07:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, 0.19.5 > 0.20.0 is just .po file updates?
[07:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, will sponsor and shepherd through
[07:09] <robert_ancell> pitti, just confirming
[07:09] <robert_ancell> yes
[07:10] <robert_ancell> The git patch is the important component
[07:12] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, thanks
[07:15] <pitti> robert_ancell: d-feet> three uploads within one hour? :-)
[07:15] <pitti> anyway, accepted
[07:20] <robert_ancell> pitti, heh.  I thought I'd see what the other bugs were and added that one, then decided there was a second bug in d-feet to fix :)
[07:35] <raof> I'd like to get a bunch of X guys and kernel guys in a room at the same time at UDS, because kernel modesetting has moved quite a lot of X into the kernel and we need to work out how best to handle bugs, tracking upstream, etc.  The way to make this happen would be to write a blueprint, yes?
[07:39] <baptistemm> howdy
[07:40] <baptistemm> thanks robert_ancell for fixing 189543
[07:40] <baptistemm> robert_ancell, would you consider fixing previous ubuntu releases?
[07:42] <robert_ancell> baptistemm, does it affect existing releases?  Isn't apport generally turned off?
[07:51] <pitti> yes, it shouldn't matter in stables
[07:51] <baptistemm> yeah, I was trying but nothing appears except in the term in which is started d-feet
[08:21] <didrocks> good morning
[08:22] <RAOF> Good morning didrocks.
[08:23] <didrocks> hey RAOF :)
[08:23]  * RAOF always expects “morning” to tab-autocomplete; it never does :)
[08:23] <didrocks> ahah
[08:33] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:33] <pitti> hey RAOF
[08:33] <RAOF> Howdie pitti
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: Guten Morgen pitti. You are well settled in Munich this week?
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: no, I'm still in DD; Netti arrived safely, though
[08:34] <pitti> her first day of the internship today :)
[08:34]  * pitti looking forward to her call this evening
[08:34] <didrocks> good luck to her :)
[08:34] <seb128> hey pitti didrocks
[08:34] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:34] <didrocks> good morning seb128, enjoyed the week-end?
[08:34] <seb128> didrocks, yes! you?
[08:35] <didrocks> seb128: yes, sunny one. I even got sunburned at the restaurant :)
[08:36] <seb128> like to sit in the sun while eating? ;-)
[08:36]  * pitti had a great weekend as well
[08:37] <pitti> nice birthday party, a go-kart race with my family and friends
[08:37] <pitti> and yesterday was marvellous weather, I walked for two hours
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: when you didn't see a real sunny day for a long time. Yes! :)
[08:49] <huats> morning
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:59] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson & huats
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[08:59] <huats> morning chrisccoulson and didrocks
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hey huats
[09:01] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm good, thanks. busy week for me beginning but it will be ok :) and you?
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm ok too thanks
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> still trying to fix gjs, with no success yet
[09:12] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! had a marvellous weekend
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> excellent :)
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, can we still sneak changes in today?
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, ted sent updates to fix the messaging menu duplicating items
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: only very safe and urgent ones, RC builds will start soon
[09:19] <pitti> please coordinate in #ubuntu-release
[09:19] <didrocks> pitti: universe isn't in freeze, there is just an archive admin manual push, right?
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, hum k
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, and after RC?
[09:19] <pitti> didrocks: it's also in freeze, but not bound so much by CD builds
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, what about the lpi change?
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: possibly; we certainly rebuild CDs again
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: so it's probably best if you just upload, so that it's in the queue for review
[09:20] <seb128> ok
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: lpi change> that'll go in, of course; I think it's a good time to upload it, to have it in the queue now
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: perhaps you can upload lpi right now?
[09:20] <didrocks> pitti: ok, will push a nautilus-action update. People pointed that the new release got some regression with a lot of script. Upstream fixed it
[09:24] <seb128> pitti, uploaded
[09:30] <tseliot> pitti: do you think my fix for bug #562226 can be included before the final release?
[09:33] <pitti> tseliot: if you think that the change is safe, please upload, and we'll review it from the queue
[09:33] <tseliot> pitti: will do, thanks
[09:38] <Zdra> How do I know in the code if the indicator applet is on the panel?
[09:39] <Zdra> I would like to fix rhythmbox made unusable by that indicator patch
[09:40] <seb128> would be easier for you to make your own build with the configure option set to false for it
[09:40] <geser> what's the solution to make the binary debs build from gir-repository installable again? they have a versioned depends on gir1.0-gtk-2.0 build from gir-repository but gir1.0-gtk-2.0 got replaced with the one build from gtk+2.0
[09:40] <seb128> geser, example?
[09:40] <geser> Package gir1.0-wnck-1.0 version 0.6.5-5ubuntu1 has an unmet dep:
[09:40] <geser>  Depends: gir1.0-gtk-2.0 (= 0.6.5-5ubuntu1)
[09:41] <seb128> geser, drop the version from the depends?
[09:41] <seb128> geser, I can do that if you want
[09:41] <seb128> let me look
[09:46] <Zdra> seb128, does that mean there is no way to now at run time? or you just don't know?
[09:46] <Zdra> seb128, I would like to not have to keep my own build for that detail...
[09:47] <Zdra> could benefit everyone if I just make it run-time as empathy does
[09:47] <seb128> Zdra, I don't know and people who know are u.s based and sleeping
[09:47] <Zdra> ok
[09:47] <Zdra> seb128, do you have a name I could ping later?
[09:47] <seb128> ted
[09:48] <Zdra> thanks :)
[09:48] <seb128> np
[09:48] <seb128> you can try asking on #ayatana too
[09:51] <tseliot> pitti: uploaded
[09:59] <geser> seb128: looks like removing the gir1.0-gtk-2.0 package from debian/control.in and adding gir1.0-gtk-2.0 to build-depends is enough to fix those broken dependencies
[10:00] <seb128> geser, I've uploaded a change without gir1.0-gtk-2.0 a minute ago
[10:00] <geser> ok
[10:00] <seb128> geser, I didn't do the build-depends change though
[10:00] <seb128> fixing...
[10:04] <seb128> geser, thanks for raising the issue and looking at the fix too ;-)
[10:08] <pitti> tseliot: accepted
[10:09] <tseliot> pitti: thanks
[11:22] <seb128> ok, email backlog from the weekend cleaned before lunch
[11:31] <chrisccoulson> yay seb128 \o/
[11:31] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[11:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[11:31] <ogra> who reverted gcalctool to the sane UI ?
[11:32]  * ogra wants to know so he can pay that person a beer in bussels
[11:32] <seb128> ogra, I raised the issue with robert_ancell and he agreed to use the previous one for lucid
[11:32] <ogra> so two beers then :)
[11:32] <seb128> ogra, the new one is a rewritte but he didn't get everything he wanted done ready
[11:32] <seb128> ogra, ;-)
[11:33] <ogra> really makes my life easier to be able to quickly convert hex to dec. in arm land everything is in hex
[11:34] <seb128> I like being able to do base conversions in an easy way too
[11:34] <ogra> well, there is always printf but its way easier to do it in the calculator
[11:48] <hyperair> seb128: could you take a look at bug #565418, please?
[11:48] <hyperair> sync request with two bugfixes
[11:48] <seb128> ok
[11:48] <hyperair> thanks
[11:49] <hyperair> seb128: bug #564506 as well, please. banshee-community-extensions won't build until that is fixed in indicator-application.
[11:51] <lool> Hmm just noticed this today, /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer: broken symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/gnome-video-thumbnailer'
[11:51] <seb128> lool, we dropped those alternatives years ago no?
[11:52] <seb128> hyperair, the libappindicator you will need slangasek to ack, the binary rename now doesn't seem something that will go in
[11:52] <lool> I just checked, and the thumbnailing works fine
[11:52] <lool> seb128: perhaps we failed removing them on upgrade?
[11:53] <lool> I see /var/lib/dpkg/info/totem.preinst:        update-alternatives --quiet --remove-all gnome-video-thumbnailer || true
[11:54] <lool> Running this snippet manually fixes it for me
[11:54] <seb128> lool, it worked for me but I can see that going wrong, I hate alternative for this reason ;-)
[11:54] <seb128> they keep creating random issues
[11:54] <ogra> they keep you from getting jobless ... think positive :)
[11:54] <lool> Same for totem
[11:55] <lool> so it's a bug in the totem preinst: configure isn't a valid action for preinst, upgrade is
[11:57] <seb128> hyperair, in fact I can't approve either of those, I'm not in approver for main exceptions
[11:58] <hyperair> seb128: it's low-impact, at the very east.
[11:58] <hyperair> least*
[11:58] <seb128> well, as said I'm the wrong person to talk to
[11:58] <seb128> try slangasek
[11:58] <hyperair> okay, thanks
[11:58] <lool> seb128: I dont feel this is worth a totem upload, but is it ok if I stage it to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/totem/ubuntu ?
[11:58] <lool> (committed to Debian)
[11:59] <seb128> lool, yes syre
[11:59] <seb128> sure
[11:59] <seb128> lool, thanks
[12:00] <seb128> lunch time bbl
[12:17] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: not tested today but with Friday's image, Flash returning "no plugin available" when trying to download one. Known issue?
[12:59] <asac> didrocks: yes. search for pfs in about:config
[12:59] <asac> replace 10.04 with 9.10 to get results
[12:59] <asac> (plugin db needs refresh)
[13:04] <didrocks> asac: ok, a fix is uploaded for RC? (just wanted to ensure :))
[13:04] <asac> didrocks: its not an upload. the db is a webservice. we will refresh it before RC, yes.
[13:06] <didrocks> asac: oh ok, great :)
[13:15] <didrocks> pitti: if you have a sec at looking the nautilus-actions upload. I guess we should take the new version as it fixes an upstream issue which broke a tons of action scripts
[13:15] <seb128> didrocks, it's in the queue they will come to it
[13:16] <seb128> didrocks, it's in universe so no hurry
[13:16] <pitti> didrocks: yes, we'll get to that; we needed to build the main packages first to kick off CD builds
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glib2.0/
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, still no glib ddeb :-(
[13:16] <pitti> WTF
[13:16] <didrocks> seb128: pitti: thanks
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, I think either the server collector or the pkgbinary magic is buggy now
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: but this time we should still have the .ddebs if they were built at all; hang on
[13:17] <didrocks> seb128: sure, not knowning that the main queue was not acked yet (I didn't have close look at this process previously) :)
[13:17] <seb128> pitti, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44409721/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.glib2.0_2.24.0-0ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz suggests they were not
[13:17] <seb128> didrocks, ? you should have received an email saying that your upload is waiting
[13:18] <seb128> didrocks, universe changes have until next week to go in I think
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: uh, the test suite failed on that, is that expected?
[13:18] <seb128> pitti, where?
[13:19] <pitti> seb128: in that very build log
[13:19] <seb128> "dpkg-deb: building package `libglib2.0-0' in `../libglib2.0-0_2.24.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb'.
[13:19] <seb128> INFO: Disabling pkgsanitychecks for udeb
[13:19] <seb128> "
[13:19] <seb128> wth?
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, it detects the udeb as not udeb
[13:20] <seb128> and build a ddeb for the udeb
[13:20] <seb128> reversed logic somewhere?
[13:20] <pitti> right, it seems to be a bug in pkg-create-dbgsym itself, not in the ddeb-retriever scripts
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, the testsuite is racy that's "known"
[13:21] <seb128> that's why it doesn't break the build
[13:21] <didrocks> seb128: ok, after RC, changes in universe are still considered. Just what I wanted to know. Thanks :)
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks, you didn't read the ubuntu-devel-announce emails ;-)
[13:22] <pitti> seb128: the udeb is ignored in the first invocation, but not in the dh_strip -plibglib2.0-udeb one apparently
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to open a bug about this?
[13:23] <didrocks> seb128: I read it, but nothing it told about universe :-p
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: please do; I'm afraid I can't fix it right now
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, that's ok, totally understable, maybe we will have a chance between rc and luci
[13:23] <seb128> lucid
[13:24] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I'm too lazy to look into my emails now but I read one from slangasek I think with freeze lines
[13:24] <didrocks> seb128: sure, "During the freeze, all uploads to main must be approved by a member of the
[13:24] <didrocks> release team"
[13:25] <seb128> didrocks, the one I read had a date for universe which was around one week later
[13:25] <didrocks> and archives in freeze, but nothing telling the process for universe package (just that you get the mail "waiting") :)
[13:25] <seb128> i "25 april" or something
[13:25] <seb128> ie
[13:25] <didrocks> oh? let me check
[13:25] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-April/000705.html
[13:25] <seb128> that was some days ago but I'm not sure where I read it now
[13:25] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[13:26] <pitti> de rien
[13:26] <seb128> didrocks, see you don't read u-d-a I knew it :p
[13:26] <didrocks> ok, I obviously overlooked this one. Thanks pitti & seb128 :)
[13:26]  * didrocks hides for that one and read
[13:27] <\vish> seb128: hi.. Bug 513036  and Bug #488784 have been fixed upstream , we need to pick the fixes or...
[13:27] <seb128> vish, "or" yes
[13:28] <seb128> vish, lucid is hard frozen for rc now and we will not do UI or string changes now
[13:28] <seb128> vish, next cycle
[13:28] <vish> ah ok. , got it
[13:28] <vish> seb128: 513036 doesnt need string change
[13:29] <seb128> I said "UI or string"
[13:29] <seb128> it's an UI change
[13:29] <seb128> and not the sort of bugs we fix now anyway
[13:30] <seb128> we will limit changes to things which break lucid hard or installer bugs
[13:30] <seb128> we might consider such bug fixes in a stable update if we really want those but that will be after lucid
[13:30] <vish> seb128: hmm , its a minor change would could that a breaking UI ,just makes the highlight visible , but anyways thanks for clearing that :)
[13:30] <seb128> stable update anyway
[13:30] <vish> eerr.. would count that as breaking UI *
[13:30] <seb128> as said we need to focus on real issues now, not on minor polish changes
[13:31] <vish> sure , np
[13:32] <vish> argh! that would be "wouldnt" but bleh..   having more typing errors than usual ;p
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, it seems asac already answered your question ;)
[13:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah ;)
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, bug #566602
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: merci
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, de rien
[13:40] <vish> chrisccoulson: regarding Bug #549798  , does this refer to the tracker search icon, we get when we "Add to panel" > Search for files , does tracker use a -panel icon and is it just waiting for an icon?
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> vish - i really wouldn't worry about that for this cycle
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> nobody cares about the current version of tracker in the archive ;)
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> next cycle maybe ;)
[13:41] <vish> chrisccoulson: nah , not this cycle.. ;)  but i think it wouldnt get fixed unless it is in the right project :)
[13:42] <chrisccoulson> vish - i think the tray icon would need a new icon name, but nobody will do the work for that with the current version
[13:43] <vish> chrisccoulson: right., thanks
[14:13] <glatzor> servus mvo!
[14:13] <mvo> hey glatzor
[14:13] <seb128> hey glatzor
[14:14] <glatzor> hey seb128!
[14:30] <glatzor> hello mpt
[14:31] <mpt> Hey glatzor! Long time no see
[14:31] <glatzor> mpt, indeed. hope you are fine?
[14:31] <mpt> yep, hard at work designing Ubuntu Software Center v3
[14:32] <glatzor> mpt, have you already worked on the design of dependency confirmation dialogs?
[14:34] <glatzor> mpt, e.g. I want to install xterm and it requires the installation of libxterm1 and the removal of the conflicting package uterm
[14:34] <nigelbabu> The fix for bug 33288 has been comitted upstream.  Is it too late to get it into lucid?
[14:35] <glatzor> glatzor, I am currently working on dependency handling inside aptdaemon itself. so software center would not have to care about.
[14:35] <glatzor> mpt, the new code also takes queued transactions into account
[14:36] <glatzor> mpt, so I would like to add a confirmation dialog to the aptdaemon gtk widgets.
[14:36] <glatzor> mpt, sorry I have to leave. See you later!
[14:38] <mpt> glatzor, ok, I'll mail you about it
[14:38] <mpt> thanks
[14:41] <glatzor> thanks
[14:42] <nigelbabu> didrocks, can you make a call on the poppler bug?
[14:45] <didrocks> nigelbabu: sure, let me have a look if we want it now are in a SRU
[14:45] <nigelbabu> you want the commit?
[14:46] <didrocks> nigelbabu: is it linked in upstream bug?
[14:46] <nigelbabu> no, upsteam comitted a makeshift patch
[14:46] <nigelbabu> but didn't close the bug since it can still be improved
[14:46] <nigelbabu> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/commit/?id=9c5612f6e013a8698eff6531ec388a7e6c1fb89a
[14:47] <didrocks> nigelbabu: looking at it
[14:47] <nigelbabu> and one more link, the upstream bug http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188
[14:48] <didrocks> (yeah, it's linked from the launchpad bug)
[14:48] <nigelbabu> oh yeah, sorry.  Forgot that :)
[14:51] <seb128> rickspencer3, hello
[14:51] <rickspencer3> good morning seb128
[14:56] <didrocks> nigelbabu: ok, I'm in favor including that patch. It will be a huge improvment. Looking at upstream comment, it solves most of the cases (there are still corner cases not fixed) and they integrated it but leave the upstream bug opened for further work on those corner cases. Testing it now.
[14:56] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:56] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[14:56] <nigelbabu> didrocks, if you dont have time, let me know.  I'll get a debdiff for ya :)
[14:56] <didrocks> nigelbabu: it's ok, should be quickly integrated :)
[14:57] <nigelbabu> didrocks, awesome.  thank you.  (one patch down, 1800 to go)
[14:57] <didrocks> nigelbabu: heh :-)
[14:57] <didrocks> nigelbabu: thanks for pinging people about those ;)
[14:58] <nigelbabu> didrocks, :)
[15:03] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, how are you?
[15:04] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[15:05] <rickspencer3> been online 10 minutes, and already super busy :/
[15:05] <rickspencer3> pitti, how are you?
[15:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, welcome to monday morning right? ;-)
[15:06] <nigelbabu> the assigning bugs to Desktop Team is gone right?
[15:06] <rickspencer3> seb128, exactly!
[15:06] <seb128> rickspencer3, I sometime start by catching up a bit with emails etc before starting on IRC, after weekend is too crazy otherwise
[15:06] <seb128> nigelbabu, yes
[15:07] <didrocks> nigelbabu: well, the code changed a lot from the tip compared to the commit: functions renamed/added/removed. Not sure that including it is safe enough :/
[15:07] <nigelbabu> seb128, thank you
[15:07] <pitti> rickspencer3: I'm great, thanks! had a nice weekend with a great birthday party and go-kart race, and a long walk on Sunday
[15:07] <nigelbabu> didrocks, oh
[15:08] <nigelbabu> didrocks, holding off till Lucid?
[15:09] <nigelbabu> grr maverick
[15:09] <didrocks> nigelbabu: that would be wise, unfortunately (it's not like refreshing the patch is just 10 lines to adapt, we get huge changes to make).
[15:10] <nigelbabu> didrocks, hm.  Can you comment on the bug about it?  lots of people expecting it.  Also, I'll try to get it into a ppa so people can use it
[15:11] <didrocks> nigelbabu: (looking at the commit in git, not the patch attached to the bug report of couse)
[15:11] <didrocks> nigelbabu: sure
[15:12] <didrocks> nigelbabu: the patch depends maybe on previous commit. Having a simple look first
[15:12] <nigelbabu> yeah, there is quite a bit of delta between our version and current git code
[15:13]  * kenvandine is having trouble saying maverick... i keep saying lucid +1 :)
[15:14]  * nigelbabu too
[15:15] <pitti> hey kenvandine, how are you?
[15:15] <kenvandine> good
[15:16] <kenvandine> testing suspend bugs in gwibber and desktopcouch :)
[15:16] <kenvandine> fun stuff
[15:16] <kenvandine> pitti, and you?
[15:16] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[15:16]  * kenvandine is tired... moving furniture and painting all weekend :/
[15:17] <kenvandine> but our new floors look awesome :-D
[15:32] <nigelbabu> didrocks, also, metacity has a big with a patch.  bug 111939.  fix in my ppa.  vish is testing now.
[15:32] <nigelbabu> s/big/bug
[15:33] <didrocks> nigelbabu: ok, keep me posted. I'm building the other patch
[15:35] <nigelbabu> didrocks, great :)
[15:43] <didrocks> nigelbabu: looks good, pushing the plopper change if pitti can give an ack (fixing selection in pdf, bug #33288, fix backported from upstream)
[15:44] <nigelbabu> didrocks, woo! you folks rock! :)
[15:44] <didrocks> nigelbabu: you rock at triaging those patch an particularly noticing upstream commited this one ;)
[15:44] <nigelbabu> I'm subscribed to a lot of upstream bug reports :)
[15:45] <didrocks> (I remember to hate this bug in 2007 when making my final internship report…) and even later for copy/paste everything in pdf…
[15:47] <nigelbabu> didrocks, no wonder you're so excited at fixing :D
[15:48] <didrocks> well, TBH, I need it less today than during my studies, but still good to be nice for people needing it :)
[15:48] <didrocks> (and at our party, we get a lot of complains by not specially skilled people because of that)
[15:50] <nigelbabu> ah :)
[15:55] <nigelbabu> didrocks, the metacity patch seems to be not working though fedora seems to have shipped it and its working perfectly there
[15:57] <didrocks> nigelbabu: well, in any case, the issue is the same in compiz. I would say, don't bother for lucid so (fixing compiz would have been more interesting as it's our default)
[15:58] <nigelbabu> didrocks, oh okay :)
[16:06] <pitti> didrocks: not for RC though, unless we need a respin for something else
[16:07] <didrocks> pitti: ok, keeping it hot for a SRU, so?
[16:07] <pitti> didrocks: or right after RC
[16:07] <didrocks> pitti: ok, adding a recall on my TODO. Thanks
[16:07] <nigelbabu> didrocks, the metacity thing works.  vish was testing with compiz :D
[16:07] <vish> ;p
[16:08] <didrocks> :)
[16:08] <didrocks> TBH, not sure if this is that useful as compiz doesn't have that. Maybe good for +1 if not integrated in metacity trunk
[16:08] <vish> didrocks: it would be worth uploading it for lucid though ;)  hint hint.. LTS
[16:09] <nigelbabu> its not in metacity trunk :/
[16:09] <didrocks> nigelbabu: do we have some upstream comment on that?
[16:09] <didrocks> vish: you have to keep in mind that fixing something can broke something else more importan
[16:09] <didrocks> t*
[16:09] <nigelbabu> didrocks, upstream seems to have stopped commenting on this bug
[16:09] <vish> didrocks: mclasen commented it and mentions it works
[16:09] <nigelbabu> thought mclasen commented and its shipped in fedora too
[16:10] <didrocks> vish: nigelbabu: ok, so after RC with the plopper update
[16:10] <didrocks> nigelbabu: can you ping me on Friday for that ^
[16:10] <didrocks> I'm building it to ensure having it tested for a few days
[16:11] <vish> didrocks: and it does work , they have had it for a few releases , and the comment was from mclasen so i guess it is safe :)
[16:11] <nigelbabu> didrocks, yes.  err.. poppler or metacity
[16:11] <vish> damn you compiz! ,why wont you work ;p
[16:11] <mclasen> vish: dangerous assumption :-)
[16:11] <didrocks> nigelbabu: metacity's one as it's your debdiff (did you attach it in the bug report?)
[16:11] <nigelbabu> didrocks, attaching.
[16:12] <didrocks> mclasen: do you think this one can have bad side effects?
[16:12] <mclasen> I don't know what patch is being discussed
[16:12] <didrocks> nigelbabu: pointers to fedora's commit?
[16:13] <nigelbabu> gnome bug 135056
[16:13] <nigelbabu> mclasen, ^
[16:13] <nigelbabu> didrocks, hunting
[16:18] <fta> mvo, hi, what do i need to do to make the ubuntu software center show "chromium" when a user searches for "chrome" or "google chrome"?? (like apt-cache search already does)
[16:21] <mvo> fta: on a call right now, I can have a look in a bit, could you send me a quikc mail?
[16:21] <fta> mvo, sure
[16:23] <nigelbabu> mclasen, do you know at what point fedora integrated the metacity patch?
[16:23] <nigelbabu> I'm lost in CVS
[16:26] <mclasen> nigelbabu: not sure, probably F12
[16:26] <asac> didrocks: so you say the settings package would be neeeded to sort the maximus/focus issue?
[16:26] <ccheney> bryceh: is there a reason xinerama seems to be enabled at all times now, is it ubuntu specific or was that changed by xorg at some point?
[16:26] <mclasen> nigelbabu: running the shell here atm, so can't verify if it still works
[16:26] <nigelbabu> mclasen, ah.  No problem.  I'll hunt through CVS :)
[16:26] <didrocks> asac: no, from the log, I wasn't convinced it was fixing it. You told me that you wanted to get a try with them IIRC.
[16:27] <fta> mvo, n-m, just upgraded and it seems to work now (i changed the package description a few days ago in lucid and all ppas)..
[16:27] <asac> didrocks: i wanted to try, but more for getting this a standalone thing (which i didnt consider high prio)
[16:28] <asac> didrocks: what the settings package name exactly?
[16:29] <Nafai> good morning!
[16:29] <didrocks> asac: ok. For the record, the other bug (not giving focus to the app) isn't a maximus one but a n-l-efl one. I think the two bugs are really linked.
[16:29] <didrocks> asac: should be ubuntu-netbook-default-settings
[16:29] <asac> didrocks: what could be the reason for not getting focus? a timestamp thing?
[16:29] <didrocks> hey Nafai
[16:30] <Nafai> hey didrocks
[16:30] <didrocks> asac: didn't investigate but that can be the case, right. Just tested n-l-efl without maximus and seeing that most of the time, the focus wasn't given to the launched app. timestamp can be one of the issue
[16:31] <asac> interesting. i never saw it without maximus ... let me try again
[16:32] <nigelbabu> didrocks, I give up.  I can't find a fedora commit (I have no clue how to look)
[16:32] <didrocks> asac: tried with Friday's iso
[16:32] <didrocks> nigelbabu: no pb :)
[16:34] <didrocks> asac: chmod 0 maximus to ensure
[16:34] <didrocks> (didn't tried that, maybe it was respawn, but not maximized)
[16:36] <didrocks> asac: confirmed, having it again with no maximus
[16:38] <asac> didrocks: terminal?
[16:38] <asac> or what app are you using to check this?
[16:38] <didrocks> asac: terminal, take screenshot, calculator…
[16:38] <asac> ok
[16:38] <didrocks> gedit as well
[16:38] <didrocks> (I'm on the 2D session)
[16:38] <didrocks> maybe it's less noticeable on arm as the CPU is slower
[16:39] <didrocks> and we have a race somewhere…
[16:39] <jcastro> kenvandine, I have no agenda or issues, you need me at your call?
[16:42] <kenvandine> jcastro, nope
[16:42] <jcastro> I love to be not needed
[16:43] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:45] <rickspencer3> ?
[16:48] <bryceh> ccheney, it's not ubuntu-specific, and not something I've heard before
[16:50] <ccheney> bryceh: xdpyinfo on all my boxes (2 lucid, 2 karmic) have xinerama in xdpyinfo even though i am not using multiple heads, all of the systems have cards that are capable of doing that though
[16:51] <ccheney> bryceh: its not a problem except that OOo refuses to full screen on a xinerama setup due to what they claim are bugs
[16:52] <bryceh> ccheney, I know upstream is in process of getting xinerama working again, on top of xrandr
[16:53] <ccheney> bryceh: ok
[16:53] <bryceh> ccheney, what we have in lucid is not capable of this yet, but perhaps some of the underlying work is there and so they're loading the xinerama module now?
[16:53] <ccheney> bryceh: maybe so, but it also showing up for karmic so not sure about that part
[16:53] <bryceh> ccheney, anyway, sounds like ooo needs to detect xinerama some different way
[16:54] <ccheney> bryceh: full screen on OOo worked for slides until compiz also stopped doing its workaround which got me to the point of finding out OOo doesn't enable it due to seeing xinerama
[16:54] <ccheney> bryceh: how do you detect if xinerama is actually being used instead of just loaded as extension?
[16:55] <bryceh> dunno
[16:55] <ccheney> bryceh: ok
[17:21] <mpt> mvo, will you switch Update Manager back to using aptdaemon for Maverick?
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> performance really sucks on my laptop at the minute :-/
[17:24] <james_w> whoah, nautilus just decided to forkbomb me
[17:25] <james_w> not reproducible now though
[17:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: dpkg fsync()?
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - i thought that, but this is sucking even without dpkg. although, when i did an update at the weekend, it did take ages (about 45 minutes), and i couldn't use my laptop at all during that time
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> the mouse cursor kept stuttering and pausing
[17:26] <didrocks> urgh…
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> my mouse cursor pauses at even the slightest disk access now (eg, opening gedit or something)
[17:37] <jpds> chrisccoulson: I have the same issue with postgres and dpkg.
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> jpds - yeah, dpkg is definately a real bug killer on my laptop at the moment, but i'm not sure it's my only issue
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> i have to just leave it when i install something now
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> s/bug/big
[17:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I have the same since a few days ago
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, there's definately something wrong. even pbuilder cleaning up after a build is very painful now :(
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> i shall try booting an older kernel in a minute
[17:46] <Sarvatt> 13 minutes 58 seconds to build x11proto-core on a PPA, over 13 of that was just updating the few essential files for the buildd
[17:46] <pitti> during a make -2 my computer went to load 6.7 and was barely usable
[17:46] <Sarvatt> (takes about 30 seconds to compile on an atom cpu)
[17:46] <mvo> mpt yes
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> i'm glad i'm not the only one with a slow computer now ;)
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> although that's not good
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - here's the output of cat /proc/loadavg for me:
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> 2.78 4.44 4.33
[17:48] <pitti> $ cat /proc/loadavg
[17:48] <pitti> 0.46 0.33 0.27 1/287 3644
[17:48] <pitti> not sure what the last two are
[17:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: but I just went back from dinner, and the computer was idle
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - those are the numbers i normally expect to see on mine when working normally
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> i've never seen 4.33 before
[17:51]  * jpds found http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_loadavg.html
[17:54] <pitti> sudo time dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-common_1%3a3.2.0-7ubuntu3_all.deb
[17:54] <pitti> -> 64 s
[17:54] <pitti> sudo time /home/dchroot/karmic/usr/bin/dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-common_1%3a3.2.0-7ubuntu3_all.deb
[17:54] <pitti> -> 21 s
[17:54] <pitti> seems the fsync stuff takes quite some time, and it bumps the load severely
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> quite a difference there then
[17:54] <arand> Regarding Bug #33288, is it possible to still shove the fix there into Lucid, now when it has been pushed into git? And would this be a reasonable changelog for that purpose: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/418707/ ?
[17:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson: did you only notice it during package updates? or on other occasions?
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm noticing mostly in package updates, but my laptop feels generally sluggish any time I try to do any disk access now
[17:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson: difference> oo.o-common has 5 triggers, so the actual unpack time with karmic dpkg felt like < 10 s
[18:02] <Sarvatt> pitti: sorry to bug you but do you have any insight on this bug? -dbg and -dbgsym are both broken for the archive xserver's, and only -dbgsym works for mesa - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-create-dbgsym/+bug/562418
[18:04] <pitti> Sarvatt: I'll have a look later on (I'm on the phone right now)
[18:06]  * kenvandine does a little dance... got a patch to desktopcouch that makes it work after suspend and hibernate :-D
[18:08] <Nafai> yay
[18:12] <arand> nigelbabu: Ah, just read the backlog, seems like the poppler change was already discussed, would it make much sense for me to make a debdiff proper for Lucid?
[18:13] <nigelbabu> arand, didrocks is already taking care of it :)
[18:13] <didrocks> arand: I have a working package, just wait for post-RC to upload it
[18:18] <arand> didrocks: Ah, okay, great to see the fix in Lucid! As far as I can tell, there haven't been any reports of problems from people using the patch from my ppa (including myself), but then again, I don't know how many that actually is.
[18:18] <didrocks> arand: a lot of people have been testing that upstream too, so it seems to be good :)
[18:22] <rickspencer3> bug #465216
[18:27] <seb128> Sarvatt, pitti: I'm wondering if we should just clean all the -dbg
[18:27] <seb128> not this cycle though ;-)
[18:28] <seb128> everybody should be use the dbgsym they are standard
[18:29] <pitti> good night everyone
[18:29] <pitti> cu tomorrow
[18:29] <seb128> 'night pitti
[18:29] <kenvandine> good night pitti
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> good night pitti
[18:40]  * kenvandine lunches
[18:52]  * Nafai does teh lunch
[19:11] <didrocks> well, I'll call it day. See you tomorrow
[19:11] <chrisccoulson> good night didrocks
[19:11] <didrocks> thanks, you too chrisccoulson
[20:29] <Nafai> back
[21:47] <didrocks> waow, we got a very motivated person writing a lot on OneConf blueprint (setting up a wiki page, and so on) from my proposal. I even never speak with him :)
[21:47] <didrocks> (yeah, I know, I told goodbye but finally was back :))
[21:51] <seb128> didrocks, good morning
[21:51] <didrocks> seb128: heh :)
[21:52] <seb128> ;-)
[21:52] <didrocks> if I slept, I should worry about my mind state and tireness for the next 12 hours :)
[21:52] <kenvandine> :)
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> good evening everyone
[21:58] <Nafai> Hey chrisccoulson
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> hey Nafai, how are you?
[22:01] <Nafai> Pretty good
[22:01] <Nafai> You're in the UK, right?
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - i am
[22:02] <Nafai> still got a lot of ash and stuff in the air where you are?
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> tbh, i've not really noticed anything different ;)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> other than there being no flights anywhere, you can't really tell the difference
[22:03] <Nafai> huh
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> and i can't see any ash on my car, but, then again, it's so dirty that you'd never notice it!
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[22:04] <Nafai> yeah, probably could say the same about mine :)
[22:04] <kenvandine> mine is covered in pollen
[22:04] <kenvandine> hate that stuff!
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> mine will probably never get a clean or service again. i'm scrapping it before UDS ;)
[22:05] <Nafai> I filled up my gas tank for the first time since February this weekend
[22:05] <Nafai> It's nice to not have to drive every day :)
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've not filled mine up since march. i think i've used about a gallon
[22:07] <Nafai> kenvandine: allergies?
[22:16] <kenvandine> Nafai, nah... but it makes such a mess!
[22:16]  * Nafai nods
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> i hate pollen because it gives me hay fever ;)
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8631144.stm ;)
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> i'm starting to think i'd have been better off getting a train to UDS
[22:27]  * Nafai reads
[22:27] <Nafai> Heck, I'm wondering if I'll even get there
[22:28] <Nafai> Is there a train that goes over the channel?
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - yeah, but i'd have to get to london first
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> but that's not a problem really
[22:29]  * Nafai nods
[23:09] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: mailed the travel agent to see what they are advising? I hear the eurostar is rather full at present and the prices have shot up
[23:10] <jjardon> Do somebody know if there is a PPA with unstable Glib/GTK+ releases?
[23:35] <raof> Good morning, desktoppers!
[23:36] <Nafai> Hey raof!
[23:36] <Nafai> I was going to ask why you became diminutive? :)
[23:37] <RAOF> Because this particular smuxi backend hasn't been set up correctly.
[23:38] <RAOF> And the server with my regular smuxi instance is currently in a box, in a shipping container, somewhere between Sydney and Hobart.
[23:38] <Nafai> I played with smuxi once, looked interesting
[23:38] <Nafai> Moving to Hobart?
[23:42] <RAOF> Yup.  Currently sitting in my brother's flat in South Hobart.
[23:42] <TheMuso> RAOF: Nice to see you have your node connection up and running. Good to hear you won the broadband lottery.
[23:42] <TheMuso> RAOF: ah right, not your own connection yet.
[23:43] <RAOF> TheMuso: My node connection should go up next Tuesday.
[23:43] <TheMuso> RAOF: cool.


[00:00] <wiuempe> TJ-: yes, but i dont know how to debug this... ok, thanks for all
[00:00] <wiuempe> good night or day ;)
[07:13] <cynixx3> I think I have an .htaccess issue. mod_rewrite is loaded but does not look like its phrasing the information in .htaccess
[07:14] <cynixx3> Is there a way to test .htaccess
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[17:31] <ponyofdeath> hi, anyone here can help me with a problem when I am using inline shell config option in vagrant, I see my script behave differently then when running from within the vm
[18:02] <TJ-> ponyofdeath: probably a different set of environment variables, and shell options.
[18:04] <ponyofdeath> yeah trying to track this down
[18:04] <ponyofdeath> and am looking at the env vars but they seem the same
[18:04] <ponyofdeath> i dump env with the script
[18:04] <ponyofdeath> and when i actually do the login > scipt execution
[18:05] <ponyofdeath> seems that maby maven is having a problem when being called from inline vagrant call vs shell
[20:50] <jonah> hi does anyone know a simple and easy way to do a nightly backup of my ubuntu server to a NAS on my local network and have the backups compressed to save space? I've read about rsync, and bacula and all sorts but it all seems a lot of work?
[20:52] <cynixx3> Rsync is not too bad
[20:54] <Sling> jonah: what would you want to back up? what scenarios are you thinking of?
[20:54] <jonah> cynixx3: so i set up rsync with a cron? but would i also need to tar all the files up, then rsync the tar? I thought there might just be a linux command tool i could use that would simply let you backup "/"  as source and output it as a bzip or tar etc to the nas with incemental filenames but only ever keep two backups etc
[20:54] <cynixx3> if your watching it I like rsync -a --progress /source/dir /destination/dir, then toss your command into cron (preferably by script.sh then cron) . automated backups done.
[20:54] <Sling> complete system restore or just specific locations
[20:55] <jonah> Sling: I just wanted to back the whole server, maybe a full backup each week and a nightly with incremental. i suppose i've been spoilt being used to cpanel and whm before which does this for you
[20:55] <jonah> Sling: I maybe wanted to just leave out some of the dirs that aren't really needed like tmp etc
[20:55] <cynixx3> jonah, you probably want to isolate your configs and home directory for backup. Your entire server will not backup well like that.
[20:55] <jonah> Sling: i have a raid array set up for redundancy but it's not great without a backup going on too...
[20:56] <Sling> yeah raid is definitely not backup
[20:56] <Sling> delete a file, and your raid makes sure its deleted everywhere :)
[20:56] <jonah> cynixx3: well my thought was if my raid fails, i could rebuild it and just restore the whole thing rather than having to reinstall ubuntu etc and try copy home back and then restore configs and stuff
[20:57] <Sling> raid protects you against some hardware failures
[20:57] <jonah> Sling: yeah!
[20:57] <Sling> I'd backup your /etc /home /root and maybe some custom locations, so you can restore from a bare ubuntu setup
[20:57] <jonah> Sling: isn't there anything already designed to just do a weekly and nightly backup out there to make things easy?
[20:57] <Sling> maybe some additional information such as a dkpg -l
[20:57] <Sling> jonah: not terribly plenty if you don't want to pay
[20:57] <Sling> bacula is one of them
[20:58] <cynixx3> jonah, making a backup system is really a good way to learn linux
[20:58] <jonah> Sling: i did look at bacula but didn't really get it. do you have to install bacula on the NAS too??
[20:58] <Sling> jonah: bacula is not trivial to set up
[20:58] <Sling> its comprised of several daemons and mainly built around the concepts of backup tapes
[20:59] <jonah> cynixx3: I know and it's not that I lack a want to learn or dislike going to a lot of effort, but I just thought something simple and convenient might be out there. The less complex it is then hopefully the less likely I am to do it wrong!
[20:59] <Sling> i personally have a script that compresses certain filesystem locations (full once per week, incremental daily), encrypts it, and the throws it to some cloud service like mega.nz
[21:00] <Sling> built around a cli-wrapper for said cloud service
[21:00] <cynixx3> I do something similar with local and remote system with just a bash script.
[21:00] <Sling> but if you want to back up more than a few gb you will probably not be able to do that for free
[21:01] <cynixx3> Sling, while your here are you able to help with a mod_rewrite issue I am working on?
[21:01] <Sling> sure
[21:01] <cynixx3> I need aaa/bbb/ccc/ to show that but be phrased as aaa/index.php?/bbb/ccc Right now all I get is /aaa/bbb/ccc http://pastebin.com/iiD8E9zG
[21:02] <cynixx3> jonah, if you are up for it I will help you get the backup script working today.
[21:02] <Sling> cynixx3: why not use FallbackResource to make all requests to non-existing locations be sent to your index.php?
[21:02] <Sling> you can then use the original uri to route the request in your php script
[21:03] <jonah> cynixx3: ok cool lets try it. though my server potentially will hold over 1tb of data if that matters?
[21:03] <jonah> cynixx3: currently it is pretty new and empty though!
[21:03] <cynixx3> Sling, I attempted that without luck. I am copying an old script from centos to ubuntu-server written by someone else and had it working on centos. I really rather not have to learn their code and fix it.
[21:03] <cynixx3> brb baby cries.
[21:04] <jonah> cynixx3: basically it is on ip <IP_ADDRESS> and  I have a nas using <IP_ADDRESS> - and my plan was to somehow just sftp or ssh the data over
[21:04] <jonah> cynixx3: bottle time?
[21:05] <bekks> jonah: And whats the issue with accessing your NAS?
[21:07] <jonah> bekks: just trying to backup my server each night with maybe a full backup each week to the nas, just not sure the best way or how!
[21:07] <bekks> !backup | jonah
[21:13] <cynixx3> jonah, were those resources helpful to you?
[21:14] <jonah> cynixx3: yes but i think i've looked over some of that stuff already...
[21:15] <cynixx3> okay, start by making a backup directory and a shell script to run your backups.
[21:15] <jonah> cynixx3: well i've already made a backup directory on the nas simply called backup
[21:18] <cynixx3> okay, where are you storing the tars before transferring them to nas?
[21:19] <jonah> cynixx3: so do i have to tar the files before i can copy them to nas? as what happens when the server is say 3/4 full and then it has to try tar everything in the last 1/4?
[21:20] <cynixx3> jonah, I am just going off of what you said. You said you wanted to copy and tar before transferring. IF the server is 3/4 full and you try to back it up then the backup will fail.
[21:21] <jonah> cynixx3: ah ok. no i only ask just because i wondered if there is a way to backup straight to a tar?
[21:22] <cynixx3> It would depend on if and how the NAS is mounted.
[21:23] <bekks> jonah: did you read the links given yet?
[21:24] <jonah> cynixx3: ok so it can just be compressed straight over some how?
[21:24] <jonah> bekks: yes had a quick flick through but still unsure what the best way to go is
[21:28] <bekks> jonah: There are totally different methods of crating a backup. tar is just one of them. And not necessarily the best method for your use case.
[21:30] <JanC> there are about 50 rsync-based backup solutions  :)
[21:30] <JanC> or maybe 500
[21:30] <bekks> And about some twenty other backup solutions :)
[21:32] <jonah> ok thanks i'll go do more reading!
[21:32] <cynixx3> bekks, I need help with a mod_rewrite rule if you know anything. I need aaa/bbb/ccc/ to show that but be phrased as aaa/index.php?/bbb/ccc Right now all I get is /aaa/bbb/ccc http://pastebin.com/iiD8E9zG
[21:32] <cynixx3> If I try the fallbackresource then all I get is the homepage and can not do anything on the site. and I really dont want to recode this platform.
[22:43] <jak2000> why: jak@swManzana:~/ftp$ ping <IP_ADDRESS>  i get an answer PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.   wich is bad? gateway? or? thanks
[22:49] <JanC> jak2000: you mean that line is the only thing you get, or?
[22:53] <jak2000> forget paste: From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable
[22:56] <JanC> that's a private network IP address?
[22:58] <JanC> you can try to ping the gateway
[22:59] <Seveas> the device on <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't have a route to <IP_ADDRESS>. Try fixing that :)
[23:14] <jak2000> JanC escuse, me yes i can ping to gw


[02:15] <tgm4883> bkerensa, so I was able to install with UEFI enabled, using the 12.10 DVD, with the intel rapid thingy active, but not with secure boot enabled
[05:36] <cy1> Anyone used systemd?
[05:37] <cy1> It's got a neat service for asking for passwords from the console, but all I get is getty login prompts. Not sure how to enable that service...
[18:00] <slangasek> cy1: heretic
[18:08] <slangasek> blkperl: hmm, why is Spencer not here where I can pester him?
[18:13] <blkperl> slangasek: because he falls out of channels :P
[18:13] <blkperl> i'll summon him
[18:13] <blkperl> slangasek: he's definately not awake at the time though
[18:32] <slangasek> :)
[18:32] <slangasek> blkperl: ok, well I need his mac
[18:32] <slangasek> he should bring it to the BSP at Free Geek next Sunday


[03:27] <robert45> thanks
[03:27] <robert45> hi guys, my software RAID6 failed and Im unable to start it, can someone help me how to fix this? http://pastie.org/10406429
[03:30] <sarnold> what "possibly out of date" mean? that sounds ominous
[03:31] <robert45> sarnold thanks. well I dont have a clue what does that mean
[03:34] <sarnold> robert45: have you seen this yet? https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_Recovery
[03:35] <robert45> sarnold In fact, yes. I tried the Event fix but didnt work, Im scary to try the recreate process since it may destroy the data
[04:36] <arooni> do you folks typically run a repository for .dotfile configurations like .vimrc .tmux.conf that you'd like to keep up to date on all the machines you use them on?
[07:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:47] <jamespage> zul, guh - I keep hitting this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxd/+bug/1493797
[11:09] <shoaib> hi
[11:17] <Beliq> My hosting provider recently changed their VPS service, double the performance and significantly cheaper. However,  they still charge me for their old service. Didn't automatically scale me up nor offered transition. I am right to be disappointed ?
[11:18] <shoaib> what is the use of having server computers at home?
[11:25] <zul> jamespage: i think you are hitting this https://github.com/lxc/lxd/commit/593b4c0e50e87189fbf8e658855d9fdad870eb50
[11:25] <jamespage> zul, yeah - I saw that and I think you are correct - I've tried a deploy from git one and it appears OK
[11:25] <jamespage> maybe
[11:26] <zul> ack
[11:26] <jelly> shoaib: servers provide services.  Sometimes you want to have some services available at all times, even in a home environment.  For example, a file server to access media from various devices.
[12:28] <Teduardo> has anybody been able to get sendmail to work after the logjam fix?
[12:30] <jpds> Teduardo: https://twitter.com/sadserver/status/630745530100899840
[12:35] <Teduardo> so the answer to my question i guess you are saying is no?
[14:09] <Aethenelle> anyone install a CAS server on ubuntu successfully?
[14:11] <Aethenelle> more precisely, when I run tomcat under systrace as root or tomcat8, the jaas config is read fine. when by systemd, it fails. I can't seem to get java.security.debug to work either.
[14:11] <Aethenelle> any ideas?
[14:40] <notafads> looking for help getting a raid 10 install up and running
[14:41] <notafads> can tip im also willing to pay if completed dont know if that changes anything
[14:46] <Pici> notafads: I'd start by looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[14:47] <notafads> well i got hardware raid available via  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182959 and no concept how to access the intel storage manager
[15:03] <pmatulis> notafads: what's the storage manager? anyway, use hardware raid or software raid, not onboard (fakeraid)
[15:07] <patdk-wk> heh? onboard fakeraid == software raid
[15:09] <notafads> ?
[15:25] <notafads> pmatulis, honestly i do not know i am having trouble locating it hence the issues
[15:35] <pmatulis> patdk-wk: you say that b/c mdadm now can interface with onboard raid?
[15:36] <patdk-wk> heh?
[15:36] <patdk-wk> there is no onboard raid
[15:36] <patdk-wk> dmraid is the software implementation that uses mdraid parts to do the work
[15:37] <patdk-wk> the only part that is onboard raid, is a simple helper to let the bios boot
[15:39] <pmatulis> onboard raid, i meant onboard raid controller
[15:44] <patdk-wk> I origionally used it, back on 10.04
[15:45] <patdk-wk> that lasted a few months, dmraid just annoyed me to no end, due to it's write buffering
[15:45] <patdk-wk> and changed to mdraid
[15:49] <pmatulis> patdk-wk: why did you say "onboard fakeraid == software raid" ?
[15:50] <patdk-wk> cause there is no raid support with fakeraid
[15:50] <patdk-wk> it DEPENDS on and uses software raid
[15:50] <patdk-wk> fakeriad is raid boot support only, not raid at all
[15:50] <patdk-wk> just a boot helper
[15:50] <pmatulis> ok, by 'software raid' i meant 'mdraid (mdadm)'
[15:50] <notafads> the motherboard i linked
[15:50] <patdk-wk> mdraid is software raid, but your left to having the bios boot a usable disk yourself
[15:50] <notafads> does do hardware raid?
[15:51] <pmatulis> patdk-wk: right, so we agree ;)
[15:51] <patdk-wk> nothing is worse than a disk the motherboard thinks it can boot, and doesn't work :)
[15:52] <pmatulis> notafads: so i reiterate, use mdraid (madam) or a real hardware raid controller
[15:53] <notafads> pmatulis, with ubuntu install it wont do raid 1+0
[15:53] <notafads> natively
[15:54] <pmatulis> notafads: your fakeraid/motherboard won't give you the raid you want?
[15:54] <notafads> pmatulis, i cant seem to even figure it out on the mobo i cant find smart storage in the bios only have the option to turn raid feature on for esatas and satas
[15:55] <notafads> sorry i am quiet new to this kinda everything fell into my lap
[15:55] <pmatulis> notafads: just another reason to disable it then
[15:55] <notafads> generally i am use to seeing a ctrl+S for storage options
[15:55] <notafads> on boot
[15:55] <pmatulis> notafads: probably for hardware raid
[15:55] <notafads> but that option is not there
[15:56] <pmatulis> notafads: that's b/c you don't have h/w raid!
[15:56] <notafads> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182959   b-but it says sata raid 0/1/5/10
[15:56] <notafads> ;_; ugh
[15:57] <sarnold> most of those "sata raid" things are thin shims toget a boot loader running
[15:57] <sarnold> it's best to not trust them much
[15:57] <sarnold> oh, heh, Isee pmatulis and patdk-wk have you well covered :)
[15:57] <quantic> notafads: there's a difference between software/BIOS RAID (aka FakeRAID) and an actual hardware RAID controller.
[15:57] <notafads> quantic, i am aware of that much but thank you
[15:58] <quantic> notafads: then you're aware of the problems inherent in FakeRAID. Cool, I won't say anything more.
[15:58] <patdk-wk> you do not want to use motherboard supported raid, unless there is a VERY VERY specific reason why, unless it's a real onboard raid card, like an lsi
[15:59] <patdk-wk> and even then, those normally don't have options for a battery, or write cache, so are painfully slow in raid mode also
[15:59] <notafads> quantic, no i know there is a difference not that i fully understand the issues
[15:59] <quantic> notafads: ahh, gotcha. Misunderstood.
[16:00] <notafads> quantic, sorry if my tone came off frustrated it is because i am just not at you guys just the issue in general.
[16:00] <quantic> notafads: FakeRAID solutions generally just offload the RAID calculations to the CPU, and don't have any "real" RAID features, like write-caching, battery backup, etc.
[16:00] <notafads> im trying to take advantage of an opportunity dropped in my lap and all i have done is continually hit walls.
[16:00] <quantic> notafads: They're also somewhat proprietary. You won't be able to start the RAID set in any motherboard other than the exact model you're working with, for the most part.
[16:01] <quantic> notafads: What are you trying to do?
[16:01] <notafads> oh ok
[16:01] <notafads> build a raid 10 in ubuntu install
[16:01] <quantic> notafads: Oh, so exactly what I do.
[16:01] <notafads> lol
[16:01] <quantic> notafads: Don't use the motherboard RAID. Disable it. Use mdadm, works great.
[16:01] <notafads> thats software?
[16:01] <quantic> notafads: How many drives and how big?
[16:01] <notafads> 4x 3tb
[16:01] <notafads> hot swappable
[16:02] <notafads> so i can quickly replace as needed and have a led indicator when i have issues
[16:02] <quantic> notafads: Big, fat drives. Okay, you'll have a few gotchas. 1. You MUST use GPT. Disks are too big for MBR partitioning.
[16:02] <quantic> notafads: Create the following partitions in the installer: a. 1MB - reserved BIOS boot partition. 2. 1G - RAID partition. 3. The rest of the disk, RAID partition.
[16:02] <quantic> notafads: On each disk.
[16:03] <patdk-wk> if you want the led's to work, you will want hardware raid
[16:03] <notafads> leds are essential so its dummy proof for the most part on my behalf
[16:04] <patdk-wk> you can make led's work with software raid, but it is a lot of work, and different on every system
[16:04] <notafads> quantic, your saying software raid?
[16:04] <quantic> notafads: Yup.
[16:04] <notafads> patdk-wk, i will have to go with a hardware raid controller i need those leds
[16:04] <quantic> notafads: If you want hardware raid, buy a raid controller. If you want to use what you have and make a functional system, use mdadm.
[16:04] <notafads> quantic, ^
[16:05] <quantic> notafads: With basic configuration, no, you don't. Mine emails me if a drive fails.
[16:05] <quantic> but hey, its your system.
[16:05] <notafads> quantic, thats actually pretty cool
[16:05] <patdk-wk> depends on the usage
[16:06] <patdk-wk> emailing is needed either way :)
[16:06] <patdk-wk> but not having someone pull the wrong disk when actually at the rack, is helpful
[16:06] <notafads> patdk-wk, thats what i am afraid of
[16:07] <notafads> im kinda being forced into being a system admin on this server and i got someone to help me set it up and everything however i do need to get around this hurdle first
[16:07] <pmatulis> notafads: get a real raid controller then
[16:07] <patdk-wk> now for the next question :)
[16:07] <patdk-wk> what kind of performance do you need?
[16:08] <pmatulis> heh heh
[16:08] <patdk-wk> will you need a real raid card, with bbwc, or just a hba that *kindof* does raid
[16:09] <patdk-wk> bbwc makes writes very fast :)
[16:09] <patdk-wk> but your talking like $250 vs $750
[16:10] <notafads> thats way to much
[16:11] <patdk-wk> both?
[16:12] <patdk-wk> really though, software raid is going be better than the lower cost option
[16:12] <patdk-wk> but led's will have to be done manually, if it is even possible
[16:13] <patdk-wk> possible depends on the hardware
[16:13] <patdk-wk> normally the best idea for that, is just to pound the disks, and remove the one that isn't blinking :)
[16:14] <sarnold> haha :)
[16:15] <patdk-wk> it works on kids too, remove the one that doesn't yell
[16:16] <sarnold> hahahaha
[16:29] <pmatulis> patdk-wk: i would prolly try to take a pulse but you're business ;)
[16:50] <pmatulis> *your
[17:56] <blizzow> I have a server with 256GB RAM, I'd like to set aside 32GB of RAM as a ramdisk mounted at /myramdisk on every boot. How would I do that in trusty server or vivid server?
[17:59] <tarpman> blizzow: a line in /etc/fstab of type tmpfs with a size option
[17:59] <jrwren> blizzow: you CAN do that, but likely you don't need to. linux bufcache is REALLY good.
[18:00] <jrwren> blizzow: anyway, we call it tmpfs. files in it may get swapped out.
[18:06] <blizzow> Here's the kicker, I have no swapfile.
[18:09] <jrwren> blizzow: should be fine still.
[18:11] <RoyK> blizzow: really, use swap, it'll help you use physical memory better
[18:11] <RoyK> blizzow: not sure how much with a quarter of a terabyte of RAM, but it all depends on the load
[18:13] <blizzow> RoyK: The server hosts a bunch of VMs. The out of memory killer kills a VM once in a while, and I believe it's because there is no swap.  The problem is, I have to be absolutely sure the VM processes do NOT hit our swapfile.
[18:16] <RoyK> blizzow: the linux memory manager is very good at spotting pages not in use and swapping those out - better allocate a truckload of swap and you'll se it's using a small amount of it and leaving the left RAM usable for something useful
[18:17] <RoyK> blizzow: linux swapped out whole processes sometime in the mid ninetees - it doesn't do that anymore
[18:18] <RoyK> blizzow: why don't you want pages of the VMs swapped out, btw?
[18:19] <blizzow> Because it's super hard to tell if a VM is having performance issues because the hypervisor has swapped out part of the VM process, or there is a problem in the underlying VM.
[18:19] <jrwren> blizzow: you can get dynamic swap instead of using swap partition by installing swapspace package.
[18:19] <RoyK> blizzow: let linux do the job, please. you can adjust vm.swappiness (how rapidly swap is used) with sysctl
[18:20] <RoyK> blizzow: default is 60 (out of 100). set it to 1 if you're very nervous. probably the default is good. it's always better for a VM to be slow than to be dead
[18:20] <jrwren> there are good tools which will tell you swapped out pages for a process, if you need.
[18:21] <RoyK> jrwren: you rarely need those
[18:21] <RoyK> people are too afraid of swapping - it's not like win95 swaps :P
[18:22] <jrwren> RoyK: maybe when you want to tell if a VM is having performance issues because its swapped out.
[18:22] <RoyK> jrwren: then you'll see that on the i/o numbers on the host - it's that simple
[18:23] <RoyK> jrwren: and a VM is *never* swapped out - just the pages it didn't use much
[18:23] <RoyK> jrwren: if you have too little memory - get more - don't stop swap - it's a lifesaver
[18:24] <jrwren> RoyK: how can I tell that a VM is having performance issues because pages of it are swapped?
[18:24] <ciscam> Using virtualbox 4.3 two of my ubuntu servers are behaving differently. one is a default installation via .iso and the other is an openvpn-as prepared .vhd. Now when I suspend both of them, on resume the default ubuntu server (15.04) has the correct time in a few seconds and the openvpn-as prepped server (14.04.1 LTS) continues at the time when it was suspended, until I 'ntpdate time.nist.gov' it
[18:24] <RoyK> jrwren: you'll see it by the swap usage on the host
[18:25] <blizzow> if one VM is busy hitting I/O and another VM has chunks that are swapped. It's camouflaged.
[18:25] <jrwren> RoyK: so you are syaing don't swap?
[18:25] <jrwren> RoyK: so why have a pagefile?
[18:25] <RoyK> jrwren: please - it's been 24 years of development on linux and everyone in the kernel developer gang says "use swap!"
[18:25] <RoyK> jrwren: you may want to try without it, but you may as well trust the experts
[18:26] <RoyK> jrwren: I'm saying swap is nice, because it sorts out the bits of allocated memory not in use are swapped out for the rest of the memory to be used efficiently
[18:26] <RoyK> jrwren: just trust those nerds, please
[18:27] <ciscam> What I found out is that ntp is not installed on the default ubuntu server and the command hwclock returns that it's not accessible via known means. Does somebody know how it synchronizes the time anyways? The openvpn-as servers ntp is configured with 'tinker panic 0' and hwclock returns the time when it was suspended, identical to date. the time only syncs with a manual ntpdate.
[18:28] <RoyK> ciscam: why virtualbox?
[18:28] <jrwren> RoyK: i'm only asking questions. I can either keep asking becuase I don't understand you, or I can stop. What do you suggest?
[18:28] <ciscam> it's available as a preconfigured jail for freenas
[18:29] <ciscam> neither of those servers has the guestadditions installed
[18:33] <jrwren> blizzow: I'm curious what solution you use. Let me know, please?
[18:37] <RoyK> jrwren: just use swap, ok?
[18:37] <jrwren> RoyK: *sigh*
[18:37] <jrwren> RoyK: it depends. ;]
[18:37] <RoyK> no, really, it doesn't
[18:37] <RoyK> setup swap and set swappiness = 1, and it'll only use swap when it's critical
[18:38] <jrwren> RoyK: i'm ok with no swap on some small VMs and certain other applications.
[18:38] <jrwren> RoyK: i'm ok with no swap on rpi
[18:39] <RoyK> well, justr trying to help, I've been using Linux for >20 years, you're on your own
[18:39] <jrwren> RoyK: i'm almost always leary of absolute prescriptions.
[18:39] <jrwren> RoyK: >20? wow!
[18:40] <jrwren> RoyK: Any advice on monitoring an applications pages being swapped out?
[18:40] <blizzow> jrwren: I tried to mount -t tmpfs -o size=2048M tmpfs  /swapspace  Then I made a swapfile in there and when I tried to swapon -a /swapspace/swapfile, I get "swapon: /swapspace/swapfile: swapon failed: Invalid argument"
[18:41] <jrwren> blizzow: a swap file on tmpfs? WTF are you doing? don't do that.
[18:41] <blizzow> I wanted to use a ramdisk for swap. :(
[18:41] <jrwren> blizzow: it literally makes zero sense. :)
[18:42] <tarpman> o_O
[18:42] <tarpman> blizzow: what's the difference between a swap file backed by RAM, and no swap at all?
[18:42] <tarpman> blizzow: suggestion: apt-get install zram-config
[18:42] <RoyK> blizzow: that's nice, if you're low on RAM, send the data through several layers of complexity to RAM :D
[18:45] <blizzow> I'm trying to avoid VM processes from EVER touching disk based swap. This is so I NEVER have to worry about a swap as a variable for VM performance. A problem arises in the hypervisor activates an OOM killer and kills VMs when there is no swap given to the hypervisor.
[18:52] <sarnold> blizzow: sounds like what you really want is to make sure the sum of all memory on all VMs on the system is ~two gigabytes less than the amount of RAM installed in the machine
[18:52] <blizzow> I'm trying to eliminate hypervisor swap access as a variable for VM performance. That's all.
[18:54] <blizzow> sarnold: That's part of the problem.  Having no swap seems to activate an out of memory killer even when the sum of all VMs on the system uses 50GB less RAM than is available to the system.
[18:56] <blizzow> I'd be fine without the ability to overcommit RAM to virtual machines, but only being able to commit <60% of RAM to VMs seems wrong.
[18:56] <jrwren> blizzow: you can set swapiness per cgroup. start each VM in a cgroup with swapiness 1
[18:59] <sarnold> blizzow: that's gotta be wrong somewhere. please file a bug.
[19:00] <sarnold> blizzow: with that kind of memory I wonder about numa memory placement but .. even that shouldn't invoke the OOM killer.
[19:02] <blizzow> sarnold: When the OOM killer gets invoked, in NUMA node 0, the largest page the kernel has available is 8kb.
[19:02] <sarnold> blizzow: ouch. :/
[19:26] <blizzow> cgroups/cgmanager documentation is worse than trying to read stereo instructions from Ikea. How do I ensure that any qemu-kvm processes have swappiness set to 0 or 1?
[19:27] <Doyle> Do values set in /etc/default get loaded on service reload, or just service start/restart?
[19:28] <Doyle> ./etc/default/whatever
[19:28] <sarnold> Doyle: hopefully all three
[19:29] <Doyle> I suspected. Thanks sarnold
[19:35] <Aethenelle> anyone know how I can get java's securitymanager to actually output debugging info under ubuntu's install of tomcat?
[21:23] <iurygregory> Hello jamespage, I'm making puppet modules for openstack and I have a pythonlib called pysaml2 (which is installed using pip) it is possible to have a repository to be used apt-get?
[22:41] <Kallis> hi there, i was wondering if anyone could help me please, I am running this command to copy from a server to a local directory rsync -r -t -v --progress -s /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=<IP_ADDRESS>,share=ac /tage-data/ac when the items copy they are dropped into a directory on the local system called cmb-share:server=<IP_ADDRESS>,share=ac but i want the files to overwrite or resume from the remote ac
[22:41] <Kallis> folder to the local ac folder
[22:42] <sarnold> Kallis: try adding a / to the end of both the source and destination
[22:42] <Kallis> ok i will try that now
[22:43] <sarnold> Kallis: /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=<IP_ADDRESS>,share=ac/ /tage-data/ac/
[22:43] <Kallis> that did it
[22:43] <Kallis> derp
[22:43] <Kallis> been playing for hours lol
[22:44] <sarnold> rsync is brutal that way :)
[22:44] <Kallis> thank you again :D
[22:44] <sarnold> or maybe _subtle_ is better description...
[22:44] <Kallis> heh
[22:44] <sarnold> anyway, I know i'v elost hours to that one too. hehe.
[22:44] <Kallis> i don't feel quite so derp now lol
[22:45] <Kallis> how to make acls work and i can go to bed :D