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[11:10] <lx2kw> stion, running ubuntu Mate on a raspi2, and always Firefox is updating automatic
[11:10] <lx2kw> the version whih is running without crash is v52, but how to prevent that firefox update himself?
[11:11] <lx2kw> couldn't find the right information on google
[11:11] <lx2kw> ..... one line missing....
[11:12] <lx2kw> good morning, i have a silly question...:
[11:13] <BubuIIC> lx2kw: firefox 52 is old (for a webbrowser).
[11:13] <BubuIIC> you shouldn't be using that: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2017-05/
[11:13] <lx2kw> yes 52 is old, but the only running on mate on a raspi2
[11:13] <BubuIIC> that link is wrong though, sorry
[11:13] <BubuIIC> that's the one fixed in 52
[11:14] <BubuIIC> 52 is a LTS release though
[11:14] <BubuIIC> but with automatically updating you mean via the ubuntu packge manager or via the firefox buildin updater
[11:15] <lx2kw> ... i installed 52 regarding web page:https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/firefox-55-0-2-doesnt-start-crashes-on-ubuntu-mate-raspberrypi-3/14637
[11:16] <lx2kw> but after a while it is update automaticly without doing anything and i restrt again to install 52
[11:16] <lx2kw> then everything fine fior a few days again...
[11:16] <lx2kw> the raspi is running 24/24 hours
[11:17] <lx2kw> doing other stuff...i think it's updating by tiself, because it is n old version, and i don't find the right way to disable the update
[11:17] <lx2kw> the internal firefox updater
[11:18] <BubuIIC> if you use an ubuntu package the internal updater should always be disabled
[11:19] <BubuIIC> but the package might be updated to a newer version
[11:19] <BubuIIC> (as it should be because there are security issues with the old version)
[11:19] <BubuIIC> So the question is if anyone is packaging firefox 52 ESR (which still gets updates form mozilla) for armhf architecture
[11:20] <BubuIIC> debian does
[11:20] <BubuIIC> but not sure if the packages are 100% compatible
[11:22] <BubuIIC> You could try adding this to your sources.list:
[11:22] <BubuIIC> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian buster main
[11:23] <BubuIIC> and installing the firefox esr package
[11:23] <BubuIIC> firefox-esr
[11:23] <lx2kw> i will have a try
[11:23] <BubuIIC> https://packages.debian.org/buster/armhf/firefox-esr/download
[11:24] <lx2kw> found some thing interresting on a french speaking webpage:
[11:24] <BubuIIC> but really don't run anything below FF 52.4
[11:25] <lx2kw> sudo apt-mark hold firefox, blocking firefox to 'autoupdate'....
[11:25] <lx2kw> when a working relase comes available just unblock with sudo apt-mark unhold firefox
[11:25] <lx2kw> i've done that so far...
[11:26] <lx2kw> yes you are right with the swecurity, but when i wanht to access internet i prefer using FF instead other browsers on the pi
[11:26] <lx2kw> installed chromium also ,but i dont like it really...
[11:27] <lx2kw> otherwise i have to look on my mac and copy the codes etc letter by letter...,takes time
[11:28] <lx2kw> specilly for an application i run on the pi
[11:28] <lx2kw> quiet a special, by my work created application...with works well togehter with FF
[11:29] <lx2kw> ok thabnks anyway
[11:29] <lx2kw> see you later
[11:29] <lx2kw> have a great day
[11:29] <BubuIIC> bye
[11:29] <lx2kw> .... the advantage speaking several languages and able to find on other language websites...
[11:30] <lx2kw> bye
[15:44] <sixwheeledbeast> I would say use firefox-esr armhf from debian repos on pi
[15:56] <sixwheeledbeast> actually I believe raspbian repo is the best place
[17:17] <Guest31748> i installed unbutu-mate on my rasberry p13 .i am nnew at this. can someone tell me if i can somehow install a greeding card maker
[21:32] <jcfb> hello there
[21:33] <jcfb> anyone online?


[15:07] <Firemouth> good morning
[18:46] <Firemouth> good afternoon
[18:47] <Firemouth> How would I go about configuring the DHCP server?
[18:47] <Firemouth> I'm trying to get EDUbuntu 10.10 to work with my existing linksys router / firewall, which is on a <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[18:47] <Firemouth> the DHCP server wants to do <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[18:48] <alkisg> 1 nic setup?
[18:48] <Firemouth> correct
[18:48] <alkisg> You can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same subnet
[18:48] <Firemouth> precisely, i'm going to disable DHCP on my linksys and use the DHCP built into EDUbuntu
[18:49] <Firemouth> the problem is i need to configure my DHCP on EDUbuntu to assign addresses on the same subnet
[18:49] <alkisg> Ah, ok then just edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[18:49] <Firemouth> ahhhh
[18:49] <Firemouth> rock on
[18:49] <Firemouth> perfect!  Thank you!
[18:49] <alkisg> You can also use this instead, if it suits you better: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
[18:50] <alkisg> I.e. keep your router's dhcp server running
[18:50] <Firemouth> even better
[18:50] <Firemouth> i might do that
[18:50] <Firemouth> sweet, thanks a bundle, going afk... just about to walk out the door
[21:31] <Metalfend> hello again
[21:31] <Metalfend> i'm having problems with PXE boot now
[21:31] <Metalfend> my client worked before I started messing with the DHCP servera
[21:32] <Metalfend> i put a packet sniffer on and i'm not seeing EDUbuntu respond to any DHCP requests
[21:33] <Metalfend> so the scenario is my c lient computer won't boot past PXE, says Operating System not found
[21:33] <Metalfend> anyone know how could i verify my DHCP server is running on the LTSP server?
[21:36] <Metalfend> i found a log file, shows my DHCP requests that worked from earlier today, but the last 3 lines just say:  dhcpd: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.1.3
[21:42] <Metalfend> nm it was my fault
[21:43] <Metalfend> i changed the network on the first address of the range but not the second
[21:43] <Metalfend> and away we go
[21:43] <Metalfend> 8-)


[00:19] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, some sections say the do not need summaries so the link is all that is needed in those sections
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah, I do see that ^ .. Lyz's documetary is going to take a while to get through . a long one - gimme some time to do it up properly.
[00:30] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, we are in the same boat, time is what we need
[00:36] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: The stress is not helpful to me quitting smoking :P
[00:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, oh no!
[00:46] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Having started reading the scrollback right now, yes I looked at the Community Hub too in this context, but since the result came up rather duplicating of what we probably got elsewhere in the various sections anyway, I didn't feel like even mentioning it: https://community.ubuntu.com/top/weekly.json
[00:52] <krytarik> Fwiw, the equivalent on the website is: https://community.ubuntu.com/top/weekly
[00:55] <krytarik> And UTC+2 here currently.
[00:58] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ubder the Planet is a podcast .. no audio on this work station .. can not do a summary on that .
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ^^ and I do not see how the Fukushima disaster applies to ubuntu ??
[01:04] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Ah, I always thought you were Canadian. Cool.
[01:15] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, in reference to the podcast link I do not believe sound is needed, right under the picture on that page is a short sentence describing the podcast we just need a short sentence like that
[01:16] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, from the planet do all material from there have to also be strictly ubuntu related?
[01:16] <tsimonq2> Wild_Man: Yes.
[01:16] <tsimonq2> I mean, generally Ubuntu-related.
[01:17] <Wild_Man> okay thanks tsimonq2
[01:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Not that I want to be hard to get along with - but, the  Ubuntu Podcast! from my perspective and ability there is not enough I can do with it to make it meaningful .
[01:29] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay no problem
[01:38] <krytarik> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/volunteers-wanted-for-desktop-bugs/4469/4 - seeing links like this, I'll mention that we want the canonical form of those, the trailing number after the thread ID at the end refers to a specific post in the thread - and as I see, there is one such occurrence in the Google Doc already.  And also, I see more occurrences of e.g. "[01:38] <krytarik> ... spaces between the header name and the '[01:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: In that respect is that someone else does the summary ..or remove the link ... yes ?
[01:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I did remark that I had to learn markup .. reader beware !
[01:41] <krytarik> While you mostly won't need it, a general overview on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax
[01:46] <Wild_Man> Right now I am busy putting in all the summary writers email addresses so I can email them this is just so you all know I did not disappear
[01:55] <krytarik> I swear, the Planet could use an excerpt feature on both the website and the feed.. >_>
[02:03] <Wild_Man> I agree
[02:09] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: krytarik :: Yuk I am useless attempting to fix "The Hub" as a 1st level header (??) and I have no idea of what to do .
[02:16] <Wild_Man> When sending to many email recipients using bcc I can have them all on the same line correct and they will still be hidden from the other recipients?
[02:18] <Wild_Man> krytarik, do you know anything about what I asked above^^^
[02:26] <krytarik> Yes, and of course.
[02:26] <krytarik> Wait, what exactly do you mean by "on the same line"?
[02:26] <Wild_Man> Thanks krytarik that is what I figured but I have never had a reason to email more then one person before
[02:28] <Wild_Man> I clicked on To then BCC and added all the email addresses on the same line separated by commas
[02:28] <Wild_Man> I am using thunderbird
[02:30] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Fixed, also I'm more found of expanding the header name to "Community Hub"
[02:31] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it looks like it has already been removed and that is okay with me
[02:32] <Wild_Man> krytarik, that looks better and is more descriptive
[02:32] <Wild_Man> I am going to finish the email and see how many people are still active as writers
[02:32] <Bashing-om> krytarik: +1 on Communtity Hub .
[02:32] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, that's what I feared - as you know, I also use Thunderbird here, and there every recipient gets its own line.
[02:33] <krytarik> ..Ah ok, might be different for groups then.
[02:37] <krytarik> Also, looking more at the Hub section, as well as elsewhere previously, the header should always reflect the title of the linked page.
[02:39] <Wild_Man> krytarik, under Weekly Ubuntu Engineering Team Meetings I replaced the first link for servers and it does not have the line under it and is not clickable can you tell me what I did?
[02:40] <Wild_Man> krytarik, never mind I got it
[02:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Uh huh .. That one still was unfinished ( but not forgotten ) .. As it pertains to our Lyz .. excessive care is in order :)
[02:42] <Bashing-om> krytarik: http://www.techdrivein.com/2016/09/bing-wallpapers-for-linux-ubuntu1604.html does not appear as a hper link in the document . As well as at least one other . How did I mess that up ?
[02:47] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you have to hit return and enter a space between it and the line below then you can backspace and it will be a hyperlink
[02:48] <Bashing-om> wi
[02:48] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I try :)
[02:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Beats me .. I added another nl and it did work .. removed the additional nl and still good .
[02:51] <krytarik> Well tbh, I also just wondered whether we want the links in the doc to just be a) plain, e.g. by simply pasting, or b) that fancy style where you can actually click them - as the latter also disguises the potentially different actual address (which I've just fixed a few mismatches on too), and none of the docs' formatting is copied over to the wiki page eventually, I think plain would be ...
[02:51] <krytarik> ... easiest and best.
[02:56] <krytarik> And more regarding the Hub section, while I've just fixed up the links irt the above there, and looked up the one for the Ask Ubuntu entry there that was missing both the link and a header - I think referring to non-news items like everything on  https://community.ubuntu.com/c/documentation/contribute  doesn't make much sense anyway.
[02:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I am all for the easy way :) With this our presentation to the world in mind .
[02:58] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Looking for the Ask Ubuntu entry - to correct .
[02:59] <krytarik> Well, I just killed all of the three there. :P
[03:03] <Wild_Man> I asked about it earlier the reply I received was basically he had no preference with what we post from the hub, I personally think that the different was to contribute is important to the community because as a whole there is never enough volunteers and since it is the ubuntu community I believe it is on topic just my opinion
[03:03] <Wild_Man> was/ways
[03:04] <Bashing-om> krytarik: When you are good ... You ARE good :P
[03:04] <Wild_Man> yes from a tech stand point it does not belong but by that thinking it should not be on the hub
[03:05] <krytarik> https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ut-tweak-tool-109 - also, I'm not sure what this is really, a blog post? or just like an app store entry?..
[03:06] <tsimonq2> A review of an app? :)
[03:06] <tsimonq2> I'd include it, but that's me.
[03:06] <krytarik> But there is no post author! :P
[03:07] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:07] <krytarik> Or in fact, date.
[03:07] <Bashing-om> krytarik: We are moving to mobile devices .. maybe we consider adding a new item ?
[03:09] <tsimonq2> So I've been a bit out of the loop... where are y'all at? Can I go through and do intense grammar, punctuation, and convention corrections yet? ;)
[03:09] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, it's already there, I'm just trying to fix up its summary - because what's currently quoted there as Stefano (the app author) saying, isn't actually from him but the unnamed post author.
[03:10] <Wild_Man> krytarik, that is what I was just going to say
[03:11] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, should I ask for summary writers since most or all of them are done? or just email them and ask for a roll call for next week?
[03:12] <tsimonq2> Wild_Man: The latter.
[03:12] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, that was my thought but wanted to make sure, thanks
[03:12] <krytarik> Wild_Man: And well, I've found the Hub to be a weird mix of threads and more static content like the mentioned indeed - and while I'd certainly link the first, not the latter.
[03:14] <Wild_Man> krytarik, okay
[03:15] <tsimonq2> One thing I would encourage y'all to do is look at the past UWNs for how e.g. the Final Beta announcements are written.
[03:16] <tsimonq2> For those types of things, we usually keep a general format.
[03:18] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Good to keep in mind :) .. I do have a couple of back issues bookmarked .
[03:25] <Bashing-om> I am apprehensive over Lyz's artical in that the summary is so short as compared to other summaries :(
[03:30] <krytarik> Tbh, it would be nice to have other summary writers look over this one as well.. >_>
[03:31] <krytarik> Like the "Linux is under your hood" one - someone wrote much. :D
[03:31] <tsimonq2> I can critically go through and polish, just say the word. ;)
[03:32] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A lot in the article and only a small amount actually pertains to ubuntu .
[03:33] <Bashing-om> ^ lyz's I mean :)
[03:33] <Wild_Man> I just sent the email I received an auto treply from one that said out of office and to send email to another address but it is a business address so I am not sure about that
[03:33] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Word!  So far, I've just been looking here and there where I noticed things myself..
[03:33] <Wild_Man> darn typos
[03:34] <tsimonq2> krytarik: OK :)
[03:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2 also might want to, but do keep in mind that I've done issues (very few, thanks to guiverc!) by myself before. ;)
[03:34] <Wild_Man> My eyes need a break and my wife needs attention she is out of town all week every week and only home on the weekend so I am done for the night
[03:34]  * tsimonq2 cracks knuckles
[03:34] <tsimonq2> o/ Wild_Man
[03:35] <Wild_Man> I will let you know how the roll call goes
[03:38] <krytarik> Also, I'm entirely unclear where the Studio article came from, it's not even current.. O_o
[03:39] <krytarik> I mean that's like 3 years old.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ouch ! .. I sure missed that up ! leadership change ?
[03:39] <krytarik> The last entry on the linked blog, the referenced news is 5 years old.
[03:41] <krytarik> In fact, the new leader that's announced there, isn't even leader for like 2 years anymore now.
[03:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yikes .. Yeah I did .. removing at this time .. what a waste of precious time !
[03:42] <krytarik> I'm glad I spotted this, because this wouldn't do any good to the Studio community in its current state..
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Y'all see how I formatted the Final Beta announcement?
[03:43] <Bashing-om> krytarik: +10 ! or our image to the world either .
[03:44] <krytarik> When you guys mentioned it earlier, I assumed it might be about another change in leadership that's not even done yet.
[03:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: All I can say is my haste made the waste .
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Final Beta announcement> Specifically, I target the following when I do these: Who wrote the email? On behalf of who? What's the announcement? What's the gist of the email? Link? What about flavors?
[03:45] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Ubuntu Studio leadership has changed, yeah.
[03:45] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, it's ok now, still wonder where it came from though..
[03:46] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Not quite socially nor officially yet though - I know because I'm part of the team.
[03:47] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Ah ok.
[03:47] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Do not recall now where I picked up such an old blog . The blame is on me .
[03:48] <krytarik> And just looking at the Contributors list, I've wondered earlier already, has it been or should it be sorted alphabetically?
[03:48] <tsimonq2> krytarik: It doesn't matter.
[03:49] <tsimonq2> In practice, it seems unspoken that it's chronological, though.
[03:49] <krytarik> Yeah, figured just append as one comes to edit things.
[03:49] <tsimonq2> Right.
[03:50] <tsimonq2> Although the principle editor usually gets the top slot.
[03:54] <krytarik> Wild_Man, Bashing-om: I figure either of you did the "Linux is under your hood" summary - please revise, it's just a little too much to go through for me right now. >_>
[03:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: On it .
[04:05] <krytarik> While I'm working my way back up from the bottom currently, any more actual news threads to be added to the Hub section?
[04:09] <krytarik> And "That Huge GNOME Shell Memory Leak?" one appears rather misplaced in the General News section - moving down to Other Community, I guess.
[04:17] <krytarik> http://www.techdrivein.com/2016/09/bing-wallpapers-for-linux-ubuntu1604.html - eh, the link kind of gives away that it's not particularly current either, doesn't it? >_>
[04:28] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Just shorten it to like three sentences as usual without giving too much detailed info and be done. :)
[04:36] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Done ,, wanted it more directed to ubuntu rather than generally linux .
[04:37] <krytarik> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/volunteers-wanted-for-desktop-bugs/4469 - and this particular thread is from a month ago, so I guess we'll just drop the Hub section entirely for this issue.
[04:43] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Reads nice now - and edited a little. :)
[04:48] <Bashing-om> krytarik: As your experience thinks best .. We do want current for sure .. but sure need content too .
[04:48] <krytarik> Also, since I now find myself having to align your somewhat creative punctuation style to be more common, please support me by e.g. dropping the use of extra spaces before periods at sentence end. :)
[04:49] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Lyz and I disagree on this, but I'm pro-Oxford comma. ;)
[04:49] <Bashing-om> krytarik: K; will try and pay the more attention .. Habits hard to break ,, huh ?
[04:50] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Heh, I can live with either, but generally apply what makes the sentence read best in the context. :P
[04:51] <krytarik> And I mean comma use generally by that.
[04:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A comma means a pause .. and there are the times a pause is not wanted .
[04:53] <krytarik> Yes, indeed - and there are times where it makes the particular bit of a sentence better readable.
[05:00] <krytarik> And wrt the link formatting in the doc, the fancy style actually makes them better recognizable and so the doc overall better readable - but then one has to pay extra attention at creating them, so that the link name (that is shown) and the target are the same.
[05:03] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Mercy .. as my learning curve is not steep enough :D
[05:04] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Have you gone through an editoral sweep yet?
[05:04] <tsimonq2> *editorial
[05:05] <tsimonq2> I'll do a sweep after you.
[05:05] <krytarik> And I think I'm gonna drop LoCo News from the doc, since that's actually generated automatically later too.
[05:06] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Yes, I think it's pretty fine now.
[05:06] <tsimonq2> OK.
[05:07] <krytarik> Oh, "LoCo News" vs "LoCo Events" - nvm then.. >_>
[05:09] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I'd be lying if I said that's never confused me before...
[05:09] <krytarik> Hahaha. :D
[05:10] <tsimonq2> "To foster the assurance"
[05:10] <tsimonq2> That wording is kinda weird.
[05:11] <tsimonq2> Protip for the future: the DMB vacant spot announcement should be a bit more verbose. A short desc on what the DMB actually is might do it some justice.
[05:12] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: I got no hearburn to see if I can flesh it out some .
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: I don't quite understand you, sorry.
[05:16] <Wild_Man> I am following the conversation but that is all I can do right now
[05:17] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: I was to make the addition to DMB, but you got it .
[05:18] <tsimonq2> So some constructive criticism on the summary for Lyz's blog post; it sort of focuses on her points rather than summarizing her blog post, if you get what I mean. Does anyone want to take a shot at modifying it?
[05:18] <tsimonq2> (Summary writing takes a few weeks to get down; it's a bit of a unique format that you can really only gain from experience.)
[05:18] <tsimonq2> So I don't blame anyone if the summaries aren't quite there yet. :)
[05:21] <tsimonq2> The summary for the Launchpad post is a bit short; someone might want to at least summarize what it was all about.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> Same thing with didrocks' article as with Lyz's. It focuses on the points a bit much without a wider view.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> I don't have the brain power to revise all of thest tonight still, so I'll leave them to y'all, but great job so far. :)
[05:23] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Think that was my 2nd stab at Lyz's article - Good article but not a lot directed at ubuntu .
[05:24] <tsimonq2> s/thest/these/
[05:24] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: ack
[05:34] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Lyz: I too thought there was a need to shine more light - somehow - on her and what she is doing .
[05:35] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: And that's fine, but it just doesn't fit the usual format, that's all. :)
[05:54] <krytarik> For the one who is going to create the wiki page based on the template later, please update the latter with these changes as you go, thanks!.. >_> - http://paste.openstack.org/show/yZpCHjbHYFZxLZafss7o/
[05:55] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Also, didn't you say you found a podcast in the Planet feed..?
[05:59] <Wild_Man> krytarik, yes someone removed it
[06:00] <krytarik> Well, wasn't me for sure.. >_>
[06:00] <Wild_Man> http://ubuntupodcast.org/2018/04/12/s11e06-six-feet-over-it/
[06:01] <krytarik> Yeah, that stuff - and they usually just quote the intro.
[06:01] <Wild_Man> Alan Pope is in it
[06:10] <krytarik> Added.
[06:13] <Bashing-om> I be attenpting to rework Lyz's summary should I continue ?
[06:14] <krytarik> Yes plz, and the LP one.
[06:16] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Tryng .. Liz is a tough act to foll0w :) That article is well written .
[06:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: See what now you think of Elizabeth
[06:53] <Bashing-om> s summary.
[06:53] <krytarik> Ok, sec.
[06:53] <krytarik> "Bit too much." :D
[07:01] <Bashing-om> Oh Man :)
[07:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I am too far gone to think .. how bout I take abother crack at it in my Morning ?
[07:09] <krytarik> Yeah, just thought of mentioning, it's barely Sunday morning yet - so we still got time to work on those three summaries.
[07:15] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will give it some thought as " with talks ranging from XXX to YYYY encompassing  ZZZZ" to cut it down to size.
[07:19] <Bashing-om> and it is past time to get some of those ZZzzzs \o all.
[11:41] <krytarik> Got in to the wiki and updated the template with said changes myself.
[15:17] <pleia2> I didn't write any summaries, I just moved some stuff around :)
[16:15] <krytarik> I pretty much did the same, plus a bit editing. :P
[16:23] <krytarik> (..Ok, that's probably a bit of an understatement for like 7 hours of work.)
[16:52] <pleia2> it's always a fair amount of work, but as I'm sure you expect, you get more efficient at it over time :)
[17:06] <krytarik> Yeep, and also once the groundwork of changes you find necessary immediately is done.
[17:35] <Bashing-om> krytarik: OK. Lyz's summary is redone . Which is the next to focus on editing ?
[17:37] <krytarik> Simon also mentioned Didier's post in the same breath, and then the LP one too - a bit more to write there.
[17:38] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack
[17:50] <Wild_Man> so far I have received to replies back and both said they are still going to help with writing summaries the first person said he is better at editing though
[17:53] <krytarik> Well yes, we can't all write summaries, some have got to fill other roles too! :P
[17:53] <Wild_Man> Indeed, but he is on the summary writing email list
[17:53] <krytarik> lol
[17:54] <krytarik> Then pull him off there!
[17:54] <Wild_Man> he said he will do both
[17:54] <krytarik> Ah, better at != will only do this.
[17:55] <Wild_Man> it is a long list so hopefully more replies will come in
[17:56] <Wild_Man> I think I am best at find material and I am sure I can learn to publish to all the places
[17:57] <Wild_Man> krytarik, the askubuntu stats are they added before it is placed on the wiki or after?
[17:58] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, it would be cool if you could do the social media bits, since you are already familiar with it from the forums.
[17:58] <Wild_Man> I will once I have access to the accounts
[17:58] <krytarik> Well, either of the generated things won't be put in the Google Doc anyway.
[17:59] <Wild_Man> publishing to the wiki is probably the most time consuming
[17:59] <Wild_Man> that is what I thought but I wanted to make sure
[18:07] <krytarik> Well, 1.) I don't think that's really true, and 2.) I've already put myself down for that plus the Fridge post I've already got access to generally - but which doesn't seem to work ootb as usual yet. >_>
[18:08] <krytarik> And you'd be doing the post to the forums, of course. :)
[18:08] <pleia2> summary writing is the most time-consuming thing and the hardest thing to get contributors for, that's always been our weak point when the newsletter fails to get published
[18:09] <krytarik> Yes, I quite agree.
[18:09] <pleia2> I sent out a GDoc Survey a while back to all the summary writers on the email list to find out why they weren't contributing and/or what we could do better, I think 2 replied to it?
[18:12] <Wild_Man> when I said publishing to the wiki is the most time consuming I meant only in the context of publishing, I think publishing to the other sites will be quick in comparison
[18:14] <Wild_Man> I only have two replies so far to the roll call I sent out
[18:14] <krytarik> Yes, and I still disagree. :)  Depends on the skill set of the person doing it, of course.
[18:15] <Wild_Man> In my case it is true let me put it that way I can do wiki's but I do not do them often
[18:16] <krytarik> Well, heck I don't do it often either, but I'm accustomed with the syntax. >_>
[18:18] <pleia2> once I got good, it took me about 20 minutes to do a release
[18:19] <Wild_Man> Mainly the only thing that gives me trouble sometimes I have an issue because it will not do what it is supposed to do because it is glitchy
[18:19] <pleia2> but the wiki is done before release, so that'a ssuming it's prepped already
[18:20] <Wild_Man> pleia2, the directions to contributors that where put in the gdoc are they stored in a link somewhere?
[18:20] <pleia2> hm?
[18:21] <pleia2> they are just in the gdoc
[18:22] <Wild_Man> okay I was hoping to store them to my computer but some of them I believe have already been removed
[18:23] <pleia2> you could just download it
[18:23] <pleia2> but we kept it in a google doc since several people have access to it to add new contributors and such, so it's the source of truth when you go to email people
[18:24] <Wild_Man> okay
[18:25] <pleia2> (and they trust us with their email addresses, so that bit can't be fully public)
[18:27] <Bashing-om> gdoc went to blank .. log out and back in to retore ?
[18:27] <pleia2> which one?
[18:28] <Wild_Man> right, I have not keep them to myself
[18:28] <Bashing-om> pleia2: I mean that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue488 is now a blank slate .
[18:29] <pleia2> hmm, the summary document is empty now too :()
[18:29] <pleia2> I can revert that
[18:29] <Bashing-om> opps ,, wrong link..https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit .
[18:30] <pleia2> that one is open to the public, so sometimes you end up with spammers/bad guys, it's usual though
[18:30] <krytarik> Just when I was thinking about the unhindered access from literally anyone on the planet to it. >_>
[18:30] <pleia2> gdocs is so slow
[18:30] <pleia2> krytarik: the one with all summary writers email addresses?
[18:30] <krytarik> No, I haven't actually seen that myself yet - I mean the issue one.
[18:31] <Wild_Man> pleia2, I am
[18:31] <pleia2> krytarik: oh, that one DOES have access to everyone on the planet
[18:32] <pleia2> trying to revert the deletion now, it's just slow
[18:33] <krytarik> Yes, and keep on thinking about it if that's actually such a good idea - and whether we also could just use Ubuntu's Etherpad instance for this.
[18:33] <Wild_Man> let us know you you revert the changes please
[18:33] <pleia2> krytarik: since the Ubuntu etherpad is locked down to only people in the LP group, a lot of people struggled to participate, Google Docs does perserve all history so this deletion by a bad guy is not the end of the world ;) and it's rare
[18:34] <krytarik> Also wrt the resource hoggyness/slowness of Google Docs you seem to be experiencing too.
[18:34] <pleia2> (the etherpad is also slower for most people)
[18:34] <pleia2> slowness only happens because it has a long edit history, this would be worse on an etherpad of this age
[18:35] <krytarik> Yeah, but changes might not always be so obvious like in this case..
[18:35] <pleia2> we could move to a fresh google doc that spammers don't know about yet, and has a shorter history, and update our links everywhere
[18:37] <pleia2> it doesn't look like it, but has anyone here been editing the google doc in the past 10 hours?
[18:37] <krytarik> And yeah, in the context of Etherpad, I've wondered how many of the currently enlisted contributors would have access to it already.
[18:37] <krytarik> Me not.
[18:38] <pleia2> you're welcome to try using the etherpad again, we just had a bad time with it when we tried last time
[18:39] <pleia2> anyway, the google doc is restored now
[18:42] <Bashing-om> pleia2: :) .. back to work .
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Ouch lost my new edits to the Didier summary .. Pain to re-think again what I had done .
[18:46] <krytarik> Another option that might work out better of course, would be to just make the Google Doc restricted to a list of people.  And also, I remember Etherpad to be rather on the losing side wrt to formatting - if indeed anything is possible there. :P
[18:47] <pleia2> odd, I didn't see any saved edits from today, just the spammer deleting the doc and replacing it with "cc"
[18:48] <pleia2> krytarik: yeah, since getting anyone to write summary writers at all is such a challenge, we went the way of making it as easy as possible for anyone ever to contribute, even putting in a barrier of having to get a google account and log in with it was a problem x_x
[18:49] <krytarik> Yeah, I was just thinking if nowadays you really still need a Google account for this even.
[18:49] <pleia2> but I guess if someone really wants to contribute, and is willing to do it long term, maybe we can allow anonymous people to "suggest edits" rather than make them?
[18:49] <pleia2> and they can reach out to us once they're really interested in writing directly as an editor
[18:50] <krytarik> That sounds rather cumbersome.. :P
[18:51] <krytarik> I mean not sure if there is a technical feature allowing that.
[18:51] <pleia2> I mean, the process would be: contact the team if you want edit access, if not all you get to do is "suggest edits"
[18:51] <krytarik> Yeah, but is that a technical option?
[18:52] <krytarik> Like you are shown the suggestion and offered to take it over or not?
[18:53] <pleia2> there is a "can comment" option, digging into the suggested edits bit
[18:54] <pleia2> Yep, the "can comment" option gives you Suggestion power
[18:54] <pleia2> so it looks like this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_C6nnRr3Gx1tY1klJs5PbKwY81Di19w9rw-MV4yka-E/edit
[18:54] <pleia2> that's a copy of the gdoc I just made, giving anonymous people "can comment" access, and my anonymous user just made a suggestion
[18:55] <pleia2> so I'd suggest giving anyone who asks edit access with their google account, but if they can't be bothered, they can still make suggestions even without a google account
[18:56] <krytarik> Hmm, I'm not so fond of this yet.. :P
[18:57] <pleia2> ok, just sharing an option that keeps it locked down, but still open to anonymous good guys
[18:57] <pleia2> with this, all a bad guy can do is suggest to delete the whole page, not actually do it
[18:59] <Wild_Man> bia I need to boot my other system
[18:59] <Wild_Man> biab
[18:59] <krytarik> I mean particularly in the way of noticing what has been edited - but I see it depends on the color the user was attributed to.. :P
[19:00] <pleia2> I still suspect anonymous edits will be rare
[19:00] <pleia2> everyone here would still edit in the same way as usual, since we'd add their google accounts to the doc
[19:02] <Bashing-om> Oh my ! Also looking and the remake of Lyz's article has also been reverted to what was .. will return to it soonest and re-redo .
[19:03] <pleia2> I never wrote a summary
[19:03] <pleia2> I just moved some content around ;)
[19:03] <pleia2> so it's probably someone else's that I just moved
[19:04] <Bashing-om> pleia2: What is present nopw in Lyz's summary is what was .. I had made it up much neater as krytarik had requested .
[19:04] <pleia2> (I am Lyz, in case that wasn't obvious)
[19:05] <pleia2> but I'm sorry your changes were lost :(
[19:05] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Nope .. I did not know the 2 were one . Hi ! ( now do I feel foolish ) ..
[19:06] <pleia2> hehe, hi
[19:18] <krytarik> I think Bashing-om might be working in a local text editor for now.. :D
[19:20] <krytarik> Also, I thought anybody of us could see the history and rewind it if necessary, but it seems not?
[19:21] <pleia2> anyone who has their account added to the google doc
[19:22] <pleia2> can PM your google account email address to me and I can add whoever needs to be
[19:24] <oerheks> pm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:24] <oerheks> ooops
[19:24] <oerheks> :-D
[19:25] <krytarik> "Note: If you share with an email address that isn’t a Google Account, they’ll only be able to view the file." - hehe, so naah.. :D
[19:25] <pleia2> yeah, it does need to be a google account
[19:26] <krytarik> Yeah, I only now got to looking it up.
[19:27] <krytarik> I mean click the proper link in DuckDuckGo after having initiated the search earlier already. :P
[19:37] <krytarik> Bashing-om: You lost the link on Didier's post too btw. :P
[19:39] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Oh no, Pop!_OS is being mentioned! :P
[19:40] <tsimonq2> krytarik: You mean P!!_!_!_@#_@!__!_@_!_!o!P!_!POSOSOSs
[19:41]  * tsimonq2 is kidding ;)
[19:41] <krytarik> Yes!  That! :D
[19:54] <pleia2> stepping away for a bit, have fun
[20:01] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well .. I think I can get the Didfier's link back . Struggling to get Lyz's summary back as I had it edited . Sheeshh .
[20:04] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Link restored :)
[20:05] <krytarik> Yep, just saw it pop up in front of me.. :P
[21:03] <Bashing-om> OK, 3 edits to the summaries done . next ?
[21:06]  * tsimonq2 does another sweep.
[21:07] <tsimonq2> krytarik, Bashing-om<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is associated with my Google account, please add me as an editor.
[21:08] <krytarik> Oki, lemme log in first!.. :P
[21:09] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A pm for my E-mail address ?
[21:10] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Sure, and you don't have to ask of course.. :)
[21:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: You be so busy and all - would not want that I intrude :)
[21:16]  * tsimonq2 doesn't get why people ask to PM; JFDI. ;)
[21:25] <krytarik> So can we (half)close the doc yet?  Just invited Wild_Man too on the address I know.
[21:28] <krytarik> (Done..)
[21:33] <Wild_Man> krytarik, are you going to publish the letter to Google+ and the M/L? or do you want me to do that?
[21:34] <Wild_Man> We now have 3 people saying they will help with the summary writing
[21:35] <krytarik> Well, right now I can't do anything but the wiki yet - and like I said, yes please handle the social media stuff in either case. :)
[21:36] <Wild_Man> Okay I will take care of those two as well, I just like to be clear
[21:37] <Wild_Man> reviewing the gdoc now, it will be a lot easier after I see the Eye Doctor next month and get new reading glasses, right now I do not have any mine have been lost
[21:38] <krytarik> Ugh, that's fun..
[21:40] <Wild_Man> I am not sure why but under final beta release we do not have one for Ubuntu
[21:40] <Wild_Man> or Xubuntu
[21:41] <krytarik> Well, I know Xubuntu didn't do a post, and I guess none was done for main Ubuntu either - do they blog anyway..?
[21:42] <oerheks> Wild_Man, final beta is beta2?
[21:44] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I believe I have a link to Ubuntu on twitter I will look
[21:45] <Wild_Man> oerheks, I think so technically but they are calling it the final beta
[21:45] <krytarik> Actually they don't in most places.
[21:51] <Wild_Man> krytarik, it is from omgubuntu see what you think about adding it please, a seems okay to me https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/04/ubuntu-18-04-beta-2-download
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Are we to hold with what we have now. enough content ? : Mesa 18.0.1 is being planned for release on Wednesday as the first stable point release.
[21:54] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, that doesn't go in the top section there anyway.
[21:55] <krytarik> Yes, content gathering is till Sunday, and it does say 14th there. :)
[21:57] <Bashing-om> And overlay the kernel 4.16 summary ? : Linus Torvalds is expected by the end of the day to release Linux 4.17-rc1,
[21:59] <Wild_Man> Place in Other Community News?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Want them added at this time or continue looking at what is new off the press ?
[22:02] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, we can add the ubuntu final release beta but I would not worry about adding anything else at this time
[22:06] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, the Ubuntu final beta is already there, my mistake
[22:06] <Wild_Man> omgubuntu has it written up nicely but no need to duplicate it
[22:08] <krytarik> I don't see it there yet though.. >_>  And just add it to Blogosphere then.
[22:08] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue503#Ubuntu_17.04_.28Zesty_Zapus.29_Final_Beta_Released has an example of what we've done in the past
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah the link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/000230.html has the pointer to ubuntu's release .
[22:09] <pleia2> have the official release link and summary, then: News about the Final Beta was also covered by the following:
[22:09] <krytarik> Yeah, but we only got one so far.. :P
[22:09] <pleia2> https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-final-beta-release-download-links/ https://www.technotification.com/2018/04/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver.html
[22:10] <pleia2> google news search found more :)
[22:10] <krytarik> !
[22:10] <pleia2> (that's 10 seconds of googling, I'm sure you can find more)
[22:11] <pleia2> also pro tip: set up a google news alert for the word "ubuntu"
[22:11] <pleia2> you'll learn a lot about Africa, and get Ubuntu news delivered right to your inbox :D
[22:12] <krytarik> lol
[22:16] <Wild_Man> Are we going to remove the the Planet and Hub sections this issue?
[22:18] <krytarik> Well, Planet is filled of course, but Hub won't be yes.
[22:18] <krytarik> I mean unless you can find some relevant content yet, of course.
[22:21] <Wild_Man> krytarik, there is nothing under Planet anymore Liz story was to Loco News
[22:28] <Wild_Man> pleia2, tsimonq2 just to get us started in this issue I posted three links under the HUB from the HUB that are about getting support from IRC, Ask Ubuntu and the forums since they are posted on the HUB is that not good enough material for this issue? I know the HUB is a dev forum but it has this material with links to these site on the HUB and since Ubuntu is also community oriented I figured it is acceptable or if we post those links
[22:28] <Wild_Man> with summaries do they belong under another heading?
[22:34] <pleia2> that's definitely a tsimonq2 question, Hub is after my time ;)
[22:36] <tsimonq2> We never did hub here
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Sooooooo
[22:36]  * tsimonq2 punts :)
[22:38] <krytarik> ...Wow, the history feature is resource intensive and slow, that's hardly usable at all here.  Either way, Wild_Man: 1.) I disagree with moving that to LoCo News, because it isn't related to any LoCo, and 2.) there are still 3 articles in Planet regardless.
[22:40] <pleia2> it's all about Ubuntu California :)
[22:40] <pleia2> that's a LoCo
[22:40] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I did not remove it
[22:41] <Wild_Man> I say we leave the hub out this time around
[22:41] <pleia2> (it's the major event for the team each year, so it's nice to see it highlighted as such in the newsletter)
[22:42] <krytarik> Ah, that's not mentioned anywhere in the summary, so.. >_>
[22:50] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I read the logs on the conversation about a script to pull stats from the forum, from memory yesterday I know it did not go well so is that option dead or just needs to be approached in a different way?
[22:50] <Bashing-om> I am sitting here tweedeling my thumbs, so what can a lowly gofer do at this point.
[22:50] <Wild_Man> I was thinking use solved threads for the week in only like certain sub-forums
[22:52] <Wild_Man> I have looked over the doc and do not plan to change anything so we are just waiting for the word it is good, we will need to remove unused sections
[22:54] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, certainly I didn't figure a working option to gather fitting content automatically - but yeah, another one would be to look for it manually, of course.
[22:55] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you have done  good work
[22:56] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I have that in the past once, it was a lot of work not sure I have the time for that now and no one is interested in helping I already now that
[22:56] <Wild_Man> done
[22:57] <Wild_Man> I wish it was as easy as the userscripts like stats on the tow
[22:57] <krytarik> Fwiw, none of the unfilled sections in the doc are going to be removed right there - otherwise we'd have to put together the headers and notes afterwards again.. >_>  Rather, they'll just not be used in the end product.
[22:57] <Wild_Man> okay I wondered about that
[23:02] <Wild_Man> If the this issue is ready do we still wait until tomorrow night to publish it? or can we publish it tonight?
[23:07] <krytarik> I figure Monday is the publishing day, period. :)  And also, right now you'd have to do it all without me anyway, because I'm just about to go to bed - been up for quite a while now.. :P
[23:08] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I see, I am going to be gone a few hours tomorrow during the day but I will be back by late afternoon, not sure that there is a time that it should be done anyway.
[23:09] <Wild_Man> This time I think I just need to publish it to the forum tsimonq2 is going to do the rest, as of now I do not have access to the other sites
[23:11] <krytarik> However, if you want of course, feel free to start creating the wiki page already, and I guess could start with the scripts too there.
[23:12] <krytarik> That'd be lovely if you and Bashing-om could figure that in the meantime while I sleep actually. :)
[23:13] <Wild_Man> Has tsimonq2 said the editing is complete?
[23:14] <Bashing-om> krytarik: You take for granit that I know somethin; I know nothing .. ( but I am teachable )
[23:17] <Wild_Man> the moin help wiki will help Bashing-om I think krytarik linked to it yesterday
[23:18] <krytarik> Well, both of you have fiddled with the scripts a bit yet anyway, and for sure Wild_Man knows a bit about wiki editing..  Which reminds me, please "git pull" on the script repo again if you haven't done so for like two days yet.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah .. nut does not tell what button to push :)
[23:19] <Wild_Man> krytarik, will do
[23:22] <Wild_Man> installed and still works
[23:23] <krytarik> And you know, it's a wiki, it doesn't have to be all done and perfect right from the start either.
[23:23] <Wild_Man> right
[23:24] <Wild_Man> I have created a few just been a while
[23:24] <Wild_Man> I am not that bad at it just sloe
[23:24] <Wild_Man> sloe/slow
[23:25] <krytarik> Sloemoe.. :D
[23:25] <Wild_Man> Indded!:)
[23:27] <Wild_Man> krytarik, do I need to post a link to the new wiki template here?
[23:29] <krytarik> Well, except it won't be a template, I guess we all can figure out that it'll be  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523  anyway. :P
[23:31] <Wild_Man> I a lot of the work is done for us https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:33] <krytarik> Yes, I've just updated that a bit yesterday even - and now we just have to create a new page based on it and fill it with content.
[23:33] <Wild_Man> okay
[23:35] <krytarik> I figure "More Actions → Copy Page" could work for this.
[23:37] <Wild_Man> Looks like a good plan to me
[23:38] <Wild_Man> Done, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523
[23:40] <krytarik> And then particularly look at this list while going along: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[23:41] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I am I already have it opened
[23:42] <krytarik> Erm, you've got something funky going on with the URL there - and the actual one doesn't exist yet.
[23:42] <Wild_Man> yep I see two https
[23:43] <Wild_Man> not sure why I copied it from above
[23:43] <krytarik> "More Actions → Rename Page"
[23:43] <Wild_Man> ok
[23:44] <Wild_Man> does it add the http itself? do I leave that out this time?
[23:44] <krytarik> You leave the whole "https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/" out exactly.
[23:45] <Wild_Man> I did but it added them
[23:46] <Wild_Man> Do I rename all sub-pages also?
[23:46] <krytarik> Well, there are none. >_>
[23:46] <Wild_Man> I have never worked with a template, it should make it nice
[23:48] <Wild_Man> it keeps putting it back in, I wonder if it is adblocker or ghostery causing the issue?
[23:50] <Wild_Man> krytarik, you can look if you want it tells me the name already exists because it keeps adding the first part, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523
[23:50] <Wild_Man> I can delete it and try again
[23:51] <krytarik> Yeah, that you can do too - also has the plus of not having the rename in the history then.. >_>
[23:53] <Wild_Man> I will try that again I am looking at something first
[23:57] <Wild_Man> krytarik, look now I think I got it
[23:58] <krytarik> Yep!


[00:47] <TheLordOfTime> as a member, i get an @ubuntu.com email address, but my LP username changed.  Where should I report that so the email address can get changed/modified accordingly?
[00:47] <TheLordOfTime> (it was recommended i stop by here and try asking)
[00:55] <AlanBell> TheLordOfTime: that would be an RT request I think
[00:55] <AlanBell> !rt
[00:55] <ubot2`> The RT kernel is the Ubuntu kernel with a realtime preemption patch applied. It is included in Ubuntu Studio by default. For more information please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime/
[00:55] <AlanBell> but not that RT
[00:56] <AlanBell> https://rt.ubuntu.com/ that one
[01:27] <IdleOne> the wiki says the alias script runs every 48 hours
[01:28] <IdleOne> source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[01:52] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell, IdleOne, TheLordOfTime: it changes automatically, but it doesn't take up to 48 hours, may take a week or even more
[01:55] <IdleOne> JoseeAntonioR: yes, I noticed it says to wait a couple more days if it doesn't update right away. I would say if after 7 days it isn't updated then to email RT
[02:54] <TheLordOfTime> JoseeAntonioR, that's what i'm concerned of, i want the new email address to be online ASAP so I can (1) update my PGP keys and (2) switch to that for my debemail
[02:55] <JoseeAntonioR> TheLordOfTime: then, create an RT
[02:55] <TheLordOfTime> i did?
[02:55] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[02:57] <cjohnston> TheLordOfTime: RT is handled by IS who handles all of the other IS type issues for all of Ubuntu and Canonical, it will be triaged and processed when possible..
[02:57] <TheLordOfTime> awesome :)
[02:58] <TheLordOfTime> cjohnston, that's what I assumed, my last message was me following up on JoseeAntonioR's message @ 20:52:42 UTC-0500 :P
[06:38] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: hey, could you please update the uonair page, and change from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, dholbach!
[08:02] <dholbach> hey JoseeAntonioR
[08:02] <JoseeAntonioR> how's it going?
[08:02] <dholbach> good good - how about yourself?
[08:02] <dholbach> looks like we still need to round up a few folks for UDW
[08:02] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm fine, waiting for the world to crash :)
[08:03] <dholbach> haha
[08:03] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, I just had an idea
[08:03] <dholbach> I wouldn't wait for it
[08:03] <JoseeAntonioR> what about having the dell guy we had on air during udw, so he can explain and answer questions about sputnik?
[08:04] <JoseeAntonioR> Barton George
[08:05] <dholbach> interesting idea
[08:06] <JoseeAntonioR> that may fit in an hour
[08:06] <JoseeAntonioR> or maybe we can do that on air
[08:06] <dholbach> let me find out a bit more about it - I think it's a great idea and an interesting project, but I would want to make sure it's not an exclusive advertisement session if you see what I mean :)
[08:07] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, right
[08:07] <dholbach> and I love what Dell is doing and I like Barton too
[08:07] <dholbach> I'll add it to my list
[08:09] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm still waiting on Bilal's response, should come soon
[08:12] <JoseeAntonioR> what about something related to translations while developing applications?
[08:12] <JoseeAntonioR> a.k.a. applications localizations
[08:13] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: ^
[08:19] <dholbach> sure, that could work
[08:22] <JoseeAntonioR> someone who could do quickly
[08:23] <JoseeAntonioR> juju charming?
[08:24] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm out but will be back in a couple hours, sleep calls
[08:26] <dholbach> thanks a lot JoseeAntonioR
[08:26] <dholbach> and good night!
[08:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:54] <nigelb> Bonjour czajkowski
[09:12] <czajkowski> hiya
[09:25] <philipballew> evening
[10:01] <dpm> dholbach, do you happen to know how I can install a package from a PPA I'm subscribed to that's got the same name as a package on the archive?
[10:02] <dholbach> dpm, does the PPA version have a lower version number?
[10:02] <dpm> it shouldn't, let me check
[10:03] <dholbach> otherwise it should get installed if you just use software-center
[10:45] <dpm> dholbach, it does, thanks!
[11:27] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston it seems that Cliton is coming to Marrakech for his vaccation :D
[11:45] <doctormon> daker: Which one?
[11:46] <daker> doctormon: Hillary Cliton
[11:46] <czajkowski> she was in Ireland last week
[11:47] <czajkowski> well in NI. but that's close
[13:58] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, 5 slots left to fill
[14:14] <cjohnston> daker: sorry for your luck
[14:22]  * czajkowski likes the Clintons
[14:22] <czajkowski> they've done a lot for Ireland
[14:23] <mhall119> daker: must be nice being able to vacation all over the world
[14:27] <jcastro_> buenas mornings!
[14:39] <jcastro_> heya popey
[14:51] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: let's save 2 for bilal
[14:51] <dholbach> sure
[14:52] <JoseeAntonioR> did you check about the localization one?
[14:54] <dholbach> no
[15:00] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe didrocks is available and can help with a quickly session, or wouldn't fit in the topic?
[15:09] <dholbach> it might
[15:11] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: I was going to cover quickly in my session on the 29th
[15:11] <popey> jcastro_, hullo
[15:11] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, got it
[15:11] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: do you have a date for the UADW?
[15:11] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, not yet, sorry
[15:12] <jcastro_> popey: hey so what to do about the G+ thing
[15:12] <jcastro_> it makes me a sad panda
[15:13] <mhall119> jcastro_: what G+ thing?
[15:13] <popey> yeah
[15:13] <jcastro_> mhall119: the community page
[15:13] <popey> people using the G+ community for support
[15:13] <popey> and getting bad support
[15:13] <mhall119> just send them all to #ubuntu
[15:13] <mhall119> :)
[15:13] <popey> frying pan
[15:14] <popey> maybe a blog post?
[15:14] <popey> and paste into G+ and cc vic gundotra :)
[15:46] <jono> hey all
[15:58] <jono> jcastro_, dholbach, mhall119 going to be a few mins, dpm and I need to sync up right now for a few mins
[15:59] <jcastro_> cool
[15:59] <dholbach> ok
[17:35] <dholbach> All right my friends, I'm going to call it a day now and pack! I wish you all the best, have some great holidays and see you in 2013! :-)
[17:36] <IdleOne> Same to you dholbach :)
[17:36] <IdleOne> Be safe.
[17:37] <dholbach> you too :)
[18:34] <AskUbuntu> When did Ubuntu become a "by Canonical" product? | http://askubuntu.com/q/231451
[18:39] <IdleOne> it always has been
[18:46] <rrnwexec> i've answered it. the key to the misunderstanding is that some feel Ubuntu is only software.
[18:47] <rrnwexec> when in fact "Ubuntu is not just software."
[19:33] <doctormon> czajkowski: Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, same thing really ;-) Actually you were correct the first time, both RoI and NI are in the geographic area called Ireland. Just like England, Wales and Scotland are all in the geographic area called Great Britain, but GB isn't a country.
[19:49] <JoseeAntonioR> it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland according to the UN
[19:52] <czajkowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_British_Isles
[19:53] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10   <--- watch
[20:06] <JoseeAntonioR> that was quick!
[21:12] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu-Specific Audiocasts? | http://askubuntu.com/q/231511
[21:46] <daker> czajkowski: is Great means great :D ?
[23:36] <jono> mhall119, hey
[23:36] <jono> mhall119, you around?
[23:36] <jono> mhall119, it seems http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/ has broken CSS since the new theme landed in trunk
[23:38] <mhall119> jono: it has them on the server, I don't know why it's not using them
[23:38] <jono> mhall119, odd
[23:39] <mhall119> jono: fixed, there was an old alias in the apache conf
[23:39] <jono> mhall119, ahh
[23:40] <jono> awesome, thanks!
[23:40] <mhall119> np
[23:41] <mhall119> jono: the margins are still off on the My Trophies and Opportunities pages
[23:42] <mhall119> I was able to get the profile page fixed today
[23:42] <mhall119> but piecing together CSS is a major pain
[23:43] <jono> mhall119, yeah, we can file bugs for the remaining issues
[23:43] <jono> overall it looks much better though


[01:23] <teratoma> does this version use unity ?
[01:26] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[01:29] <teratoma> darn
[01:32] <urlin2u> lucid and maverick are gnmoe2
[06:21] <stjohnmedrano> good day, any idea on icedtea6-plugin? i currently running 12.04 but the plugin doesnt seem to work, just a newbie. tnx
[10:03] <aguitel> kernel 3.x freeze when my system become inactive ,i install old kernel (2.6.39) and fix this issue
[11:15] <Fernando_xtmas> morning
[12:02] <aguitel> how install gnome 3 in 12.04 ?
[12:04] <Fernando_xtmas> !gnome-shell
[12:04] <Fernando_xtmas> !gnome3
[12:04] <Fernando_xtmas> aguitel: ^^^^^
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> Hey All , Merry Christmas! :)
[13:28] <penguin42> Hey BK
[13:29] <BluesKaj_> hi penguin42 , Merry Christamas ! :)
[13:30] <penguin42> and a merry Christmas to you sir
[13:30] <BluesKaj_> oops , Merry Christmas , even :)
[13:31] <BluesKaj_> we have a bit of snow . just barely enough to make the ground white
[13:31] <penguin42> we had some about a week ago; but it's warmed up in the last few days - apparently 7c, going to go out to meet a friend
[19:53] <meerkats> are there plans to improve the classic view in 12.04 or, users who dont wish to use unity will have to use the fallback version?
[19:59] <Daekdroom> meerkats, the classic gnome is not officially supported by Canonical or the Ubuntu community. All is done is that it's packaged.


[05:51] <RAOF> ...that point where you realise there's *more* umockdev work to be done :/
[05:55] <duflu> RAOF: Sounds less than awesome
[05:55] <duflu> At least from your perspective, having worked on it for so long already
[05:57] <RAOF> I think what it actually means is that I'll do something else for a moment.
[07:31] <duflu> Hey Mir's surface class hierarchy appears to be simpler and nicer than last time I mapped it out. Nice
[07:41] <duflu> Eek. I just managed to delete 620 lines of code, and everything still works :)
[08:04] <alf__> duflu: as long as they are not 620 lines of tests... ;)
[08:04] <duflu> alf__: No, mostly interface definitions not used within Mir itself. Seems unity-mir uses it still so can't quite propose removing it yet
[08:06] <duflu> But it's fun to see a large diff of red that doesn't break anything locally :)
[09:48] <alan_g> duflu: are we intentionally delaying https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/server-abi-16/+merge/206842? or shall we top-approve?
[09:49] <duflu> alan_g: Nothing has landed since 0.1.5 requiring the bump yet. Still all under review
[09:49] <alan_g> ok
[09:49] <duflu> It would be nice to have a point release without ABI bumps
[09:50] <alan_g> What about https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/report-namespace/+merge/205577
[09:52] <duflu> alan_g: Yeah that would probably qualify ( bzr status -r1413..1414)
[09:57] <duflu> alan_g: Given we will almost certainly have to change unity-mir multiple times for various SDK cleanups, it's probably a good idea to spread the changes out, without dumping too many of them in a single point release.
[09:57] <duflu> Although that's not necessarily something we can completely plan
[09:59] <duflu> It seems every time I find something that makes no sense at all in the Mir source, unity-mir is using it. It's just a matter of whether we can design a better way each time :P
[09:59] <alan_g> duflu: Yep
[10:03]  * duflu goes to find dinner, with a newfound aversion to spaghetti ;)
[10:35] <alan_g> alf__: can this really be true? https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/fix-1281938/+merge/207123/comments/486466
[10:37] <alf__> alan_g: no, replying
[10:38] <alan_g> thanks
[10:40] <alan_g> BRB (reboot)
[10:52] <alan_g> alf__: are we happy with https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/valgrind-suppressions-armhf/+merge/207188?
[10:53] <alf__> alan_g: I am waiting fo fginther to schedule the pre-merge tests
[12:17] <alan_g> anpok_: alf__ - [not urgent] any preferences on the way forward? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/make-ConfigurationOptions-a-dependency-of-DefaultServerConfiguration/+merge/206996
[12:40] <anpok_> hm hm
[13:02] <kgunn> anpok_: alan_g alf__ so who wants to have some mwc fun ? :)
[13:02] <kgunn> ok, so seems like we might have a freeze/crash caused by the snapshotting interaction on the phone
[13:03] <kgunn> phone is special due to the new right edge navigation
[13:03] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1281728
[13:03] <alan_g> kgunn: what? (can it wait until after lunch?)
[13:03] <kgunn> alan_g: yes...eating still allowed :)
[13:03] <kgunn> looking at it, i wonder if alf__ might be the right person ?
[13:05] <mzanetti> hey, I'm able to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1281728
[13:05] <kgunn> mzanetti: i think alf__ might be the right person...but he hasn't responded yet....but seems all the repro instructions are there
[13:05] <mzanetti> I believe its the screenshotting functionality in mir
[13:05] <kgunn> mzanetti: yep...they got prepped
[13:05] <mzanetti> in case a screenshot is requested shortly after an app has crashed
[13:05] <kgunn> stepping away for a.m. duties....
[13:06] <mzanetti> who can help me with this?
[13:06] <kgunn> mzanetti: he might be at lunch...he'll come back soon...as alan_g|lunch just left
[13:06] <alf__> kgunn: I am investigating https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1282248 , but I can switch if it's more urgent
[13:06] <mzanetti> ah
[13:06] <kgunn> alf__: yeah....this one is a race on time unfortunately
[13:06] <kgunn> thank you
[13:08] <mzanetti> alf__: steps to reproduce are in the bug report, 3rd last comment
[13:09] <alf__> mzanetti: which image should I get?
[13:09] <mzanetti> alf__: in theory it should happen with trunk too. however, we've been using the MWC demo image. its easiest to reproduce there
[13:09] <mzanetti> alf__: unitymirteam ML has instructions how to flash it
[13:10] <mzanetti> comes down to:
[13:10] <mzanetti> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cwayne18/demo
[13:10] <mzanetti> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mwcinstall
[13:10] <mzanetti> mwc-flash
[13:10] <mzanetti> alf__: ^
[13:10] <alf__> mzanetti: ok, nexus 4 or 10?
[13:10] <mzanetti> 4
[13:11] <alf__> mzanetti: ok, starting process I will let you know if I need anything... don't leave town :)
[13:11] <mzanetti> heh, ok
[13:18] <alf__> mzanetti: so, the problem is that unity-mir is requesting a screenshot for a crashed app, and mir can't handle that?
[13:18] <mzanetti> alf__: yes, afaics
[13:19] <mzanetti> alf__: there is a time gap in between the app crashes and unity-mir gets informed about that
[13:19] <mzanetti> alf__: and if unity-mir tries to update the screenshot in that timeframe it'll crash
[13:20] <mzanetti> alf__: given that this should behave better for MWC I'd probably be ok if Mir just doesn't crash and returns an empty screenshot or whatever
[13:20] <mzanetti> the proper solution would probably be to handle crashes faster
[13:20] <alf__> mzanetti: ok
[13:20] <mzanetti> not sure what's involved there tho
[13:23] <alf__> mzanetti: do you know if this is pure mir 0.1.5 or whether it's mir/devel or ...?
[13:23] <mzanetti> alf__: hmm... afaik it's whatever is in the regular image + this ppa: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/phone-right-edge/+packages
[13:24] <alf__> mzanetti: ok, thanks
[13:27] <greyback> anyone else using nexus7 find if shell restarts, input breaks?
[13:28] <mzanetti> greyback: I think I've seen this on the Nex4 today
[13:28] <mzanetti> greyback: does it recover if you press the power button twice?
[13:29] <greyback> mzanetti: will try that next time
[13:30] <greyback> mzanetti: ah that helped
[13:30] <mzanetti> greyback: so yeah. seen this quite often already today with the MWC image
[13:30] <mzanetti> on the Nexus 4
[13:30] <greyback> mzanetti: well shell just has to never fall over and we'll be fine :)
[13:31] <mzanetti> heh, ack
[13:31] <mzanetti> greyback: there are more reasons to that :D. While hunting another issue I found that there are cases where unity8 restarts, but leaves a previously running app around, eating 100% cpu
[13:32] <mzanetti> have seen it a couple of times, but not way to intentionally reproduce it yet
[13:32] <greyback> mzanetti: yeah that I see often too. When it looses the Mir server, the client sometimes does that
[13:38] <mzanetti> alf__: leaving town for ~1h, ok?
[13:38] <mzanetti> anything you need from me before?
[13:40] <alf__> mzanetti: Do the instructions to reproduce this still apply?
[13:40] <alf__> mzanetti: I read that you have a partial fix for this?
[13:40] <mzanetti> alf__: yes, they still apply. especially if you didn't upgrade after flashing you don't even have the partial fix ye
[13:40] <mzanetti> t
[13:41] <mzanetti> alf__: if you did upgrade, just make sure to be fast enough after the app crashes.
[13:41] <mzanetti> but its about 2 secs, so plenty of time
[13:41] <alf__> mzanetti: ok
[14:12] <alf_> mzanetti: kgunn: I can't get a crash! I open Calculator, swipe it away => back to apps screen, open Media Player, click on OK button. Then I see something both a "blank" app (white) and the Calculator app trying to get to the screen. I have tried swiping to the right both while this is happening and after things have settled, and everything works ok, I am back to apps screen.
[14:14] <fginther`> alf_, I attached test results to your MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/valgrind-suppressions-armhf/+merge/207188
[14:15] <fginther`> alf_, the armhf build passed, the amd64 did not
[14:15] <mzanetti> alf_: re
[14:15] <alf_> fginther`: great thanks
[14:15] <mzanetti> alf_: hmm... strange. crashes reliable here
[14:15] <mzanetti> alf_: did you use the mwc-flash script to set it up?
[14:15] <kgunn> alf_: so just to be sure...you're using the mwc-flash image ?
[14:16] <alf_> mzanetti: kgunn: yes, perhaps because I got the image so recently, something has changed?
[14:16] <kgunn> mzanetti: video maybe ?
[14:16] <kgunn> of your methodology
[14:16] <mzanetti> ack
[14:17]  * kgunn is updating his n4
[14:17] <kgunn> alf_: its possible...or we just buy you and your n4 a ticket to barcelona :)
[14:18] <alf_> mzanetti: kgunn: unity8 7.84+14.04.20140218-1rightedge647~659~ubuntu14.04.1,  libunity-mir1 0.2+14.04.20140214-1rightedge176~180~ubuntu14.04.1
[14:18]  * mzanetti compares
[14:18] <mzanetti> alf_: yep, that's it
[14:20] <alan_g> kgunn: I take it alf_ has taken the "fun"?
[14:20] <alf_> alan_g: yes, but I cannot reproduce the issue...
[14:20] <kgunn> alan_g: yes :) of course there's always fun to go around if you want some
[14:21] <kgunn> ...uh, i think i need to reboot...somethings wonky...brb
[14:26] <mzanetti> alf_: http://notyetthere.org/data/14020002.mp4
[14:26] <alf_> mzanetti: ok, I think I can get it now (I rebooted)
[14:26] <alf_> mzanetti: thanks
[14:29] <mzanetti> alf_: not always, but most of the time you need to reboot after reproducing because the media player won't start at all any more
[14:36] <alf_> mzanetti: an interesting observation... removing the apport package "fixes" the problem for me, try it and in the worst case we can use this as a workaround
[14:37] <mzanetti> alf_: now that's quite weird...
[14:37]  * mzanetti tries
[14:40] <mzanetti> alf_: indeed... confirming you observation
[14:40] <alf_> kgunn: managed to reproduce (needed a reboot for some reason), also found that removing the apport package """fixes""" this
[14:40] <mzanetti> so I guess apport tracing the media player delays some threads in unity/mir to increase chances of this happening
[14:41] <kgunn> alf_: ack...weird..
[14:41] <kgunn> what made you try that ?
[14:41] <kgunn> hunch ?
[14:42] <alf_> kgunn: no, just I saw apport delaying the phone's startup :)
[14:44] <anpok_> is this one of those apps get the wrong session object bugs?
[14:47] <alf_> anpok_: hmm, I don't know, but may be related somehow
[14:54] <anpok_> if the media player closes itself it might go through ApplicationManager::onSessionStopping - and it could then terminate the calculater of it was in "Starting" mode while the media player came up
[15:09] <alf_> kgunn: mzanetti: anpok_: After installing the debug packages I am getting a different problem. *Every* time I try to swipe an app away, I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6965862/
[15:10] <kgunn> greyback: dandrader ^
[15:10] <alf_> kgunn: mzanetti: anpok_: perhaps that's related to what anpok_ suggested, i.e., apps get the wrong session object somehow?
[15:12] <anpok_> there would be a fix for that one..
[15:13] <anpok_> but if it happens everytime you swipe away it might be that there is just no session yet
[15:13] <anpok_> not sure
[15:13] <anpok_> where is updateScreenshot?
[15:13] <anpok_> thats a different branch?
[15:13] <greyback> alf_: this the nexus4?
[15:13] <alf_> anpok_: I mean  every time I swipe away from an app, so there's at least that app's session
[15:13] <alf_> greyback: yes, with mwc image
[15:14] <greyback> ok, let me flash & see
[15:14] <alf_> greyback: plus some -dbg packages
[15:14] <greyback> I don't understand how -dbg packages would change anything
[15:14] <kgunn> timing
[15:14] <kgunn> ....or worse
[15:15]  * kgunn remembers finding new code path in gpu vendor (who'll remain nameless) debug drivers
[15:19] <alf_> kgunn: greyback: I will reflash to get a clean environment...
[15:30] <fginther`> alan_g, can you take a look at this job and let me know if it's running the tests as you expect? http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mir-clang-trusty-amd64-build-fjg/6/
[15:30] <alan_g> fginther`: sure...
[15:32] <kgunn> greyback:  just fyi...i'm gonna land the 4 mp's approved on unity-mir
[15:32] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+activereviews
[15:32] <greyback> kgunn: thanks
[15:33] <alan_g> fginther`: it is running the tests (which is what I asked for) but not under valgrind (which is much less important as we do that with the other builds). So I'd be happy with this
[15:33] <mzanetti> alf_: which version of unity-mir do you have when you see the "new" issue?
[15:33] <greyback> anpok_: ah thanks for https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/unity-mir/fix-1281075/+merge/207375 ! I had it done myself, but no test.
[15:34] <fginther`> alan_g, just for the record, adding the build tests increased the build time from 16 minutes to 75 minutes
[15:35] <alan_g> fginther`: that's weird: "Total Test time (real) =  12.33 sec"
[15:37] <fginther`> alan_g, ugh, I looked at the wrong field
[15:37] <fginther`> build time was under 9 minutes
[15:37] <fginther`> alan_g, sorry for the alarm
[15:37] <alan_g> fginther`: np
[15:38] <alan_g> kgunn: ^^
[15:41] <kgunn> cool, times are coming down
[15:45] <alf_> mzanetti: I don't know, I reflashed and I can't reproduce anymore...
[15:45] <alf_> mzanetti: I will check if I may have updated to a newer version
[15:46] <mzanetti> alf_: well, you need the ppa stuff as that one changes when screenshots are requested
[15:46] <mzanetti> might well be that trunk never triggers this
[15:52] <anpok_> greyback: after refactoring it got tempting simple to add the tests
[15:53] <kgunn> mzanetti: just to be sure...the recipe uses unity-mir trunk & then merges your right edge changes no top
[15:53] <kgunn> assuming that's the pkg you guys are talking about
[15:54] <greyback> anpok_: tests badly needed, so it's very welcome. I see your refactoring branch too, will review next week once things calm down, but again, am delighted.
[16:35] <kgunn> Saviq: any specific question about the freeze bug ?
[16:35] <Saviq> kgunn, no, just saw that John posted another .crash file, was wondering if anything's happening
[16:36] <kgunn> alf_ is looking into it...but now hitting the issue of getting a different bug/result when he builds debug packages
[16:37] <kgunn> Saviq: i thikn the guys did determine that the crashes fire apport ...which in turn causes the timing to change such that mir freezes
[16:37] <kgunn> point being...if people are loading crash files...those are seperate bugs i think
[16:56] <mzanetti> Saviq: does building code in debug mode and calling "make install" prevent apport from kicking in?
[16:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, it might prevent it from crashing, not from apport kicking in...
[16:57] <mzanetti> which could explain why I didn't see the issue at all when I first tried ricmm's fix manually
[16:59] <mzanetti> alf_: anything I can do to help you? can you reproduce again?
[16:59] <alf_> kgunn: mzanetti: I have a workaround (solution?). I need to leave really soon, so please take care of it. It's a small patch, I will pastebin soon.
[16:59] <mzanetti> alf_: awesome!
[17:02]  * kgunn suspects alf_'s pastebin will say "remove apport" :P
[17:02] <alf_> kgunn: lol
[17:09] <alf_> mzanetti: kgunn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6966425/ , it returns an empty Snapshot if we don't have a surface for some reason. It seems that  ApplicationScreenshotProvider in unity-mir can handle that, i.e., a QImage(nullptr, 0,0) is a valid (although null) image
[17:10] <mzanetti> alf_: yep, should be safe from a QImage pov. I'll verify that
[17:10] <mzanetti> exactly what I hoped for :)
[17:11] <mzanetti> kgunn: what are we doing with this? merge to trunk of put into the ppa for mwc for now? I think trunk would make sense in any case.
[17:12] <alf_> all: bye!
[17:13] <mzanetti> byu alf
[17:13] <mzanetti> -u+e
[17:14] <kgunn> alf_: thanks! enjoy the evening
[17:14] <mzanetti> kgunn: I need to leave too for today :/. Can you make sure this patch somehow ends up in the mir we use for MWC and first thing I'll do tomorrow morning is to verify if unity-mir can properly digest this.
[17:16] <alf_> mzanetti: It works for me (TM) :)
[17:16] <kgunn> mzanetti: yeah...i'll wrestle with it
[17:17] <mzanetti> alf_: I'm thinking about generating a white surface in that case
[17:17] <kgunn> should only take me 5x as long as you guys :)
[17:17] <mzanetti> so crashed apps hang around as white rect instead of transparent surfaces blocking mouse input
[17:17] <mzanetti> and then it'll disappear when apport is done with it
[17:18] <mzanetti> kgunn: meh... you're right... let me propose a merge for it
[17:21] <kgunn> mzanetti: no worries...
[17:21] <kgunn> mzanetti:  i can do it...
[17:21] <kgunn> mzanetti: i'll just create a recipe for it
[17:22] <kgunn> mzanetti: reason being...don't quite feel comfortable promoting mir-devel right now due to some other stuff that's gone in recently
[17:24] <mzanetti> kgunn: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/mir/dont-crash-when-shooting-invalid-surface/+merge/207507
[17:24] <mzanetti> kgunn: ah
[17:24] <mzanetti> kgunn: should I propose it against another branch?
[17:25] <kgunn> mzanetti: propose against lp:mir/devel
[17:25] <mzanetti> ack
[17:25] <kgunn> mzanetti: so it will get picked up and landed probably next week....
[17:25] <kgunn> just not today
[17:26] <mzanetti> kgunn: ok, new one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/mir/dont-crash-when-shooting-invalid-surface/+merge/207509
[17:26] <kgunn> mzanetti: ta...i'll get right on the recipe
[17:26] <kgunn> mzanetti: phone only right ?
[17:27] <mzanetti> kgunn: yeah, trunk never seems to trigger this, otherwise we'd have noticed earlier I'd say
[17:27] <mzanetti> but it shouldn't hurt (TM)
[17:28] <mzanetti> maybe it even fixes some crashes we've seen very rarely
[17:29] <mzanetti> ok. then. I'm off too
[17:30] <kgunn> mzanetti: enjoy the evening
[17:30] <mzanetti> kgunn: meh... need to help a friend moving
[17:30] <mzanetti> carrying furniture down 4 floors
[17:30] <kgunn> oh geeeze....please be careful!....don't end up like dandrader
[17:31] <mzanetti> heh... I'll try
[17:31] <fginther`> alf_, any comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/valgrind-suppressions-armhf/+merge/207188 and the modified hook script?
[17:32] <mzanetti> oh noes. I messed with the changelog.. will resubmit
[17:32] <mzanetti> fginther`: alf has gone for today
[17:32] <fginther`> thx


[15:30] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:30] <eslerm> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[15:31] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[15:31] <slyon> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> hello party people
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:31] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:31] <cpaelzer> That is not much ...
[15:32] <cpaelzer> we still have kexec-tools -> xen, I guess my ping to xnox last week might no more help as much depending on his priorities now
[15:32] <cpaelzer> Let me bring this up in #kernel for awareness
[15:33] <cpaelzer> done
[15:34] <cpaelzer> on libcryptx I know that miriam has an upload to make he expected change up for review
[15:34] <cpaelzer> so that dependency will soon be gone
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:34] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:34] <cpaelzer> we had plenty last two weeks
[15:34] <sarnold> good morning
[15:34] <cpaelzer> let us have a look this week
[15:34] <cpaelzer> hi sarnold
[15:34] <cpaelzer> wow
[15:35] <cpaelzer> as calm as component mismatches
[15:35] <cpaelzer> well, ok
[15:35] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:35] <sarnold> .. is it working? :)
[15:35] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:35] <cpaelzer> ok I see plenty of recent updates here
[15:36] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmail-dmarc-perl/+bug/2023971 is back on mirespace
[15:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2023971 in libmail-dmarc-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-dmarc-perl" [High, Incomplete]
[15:36] <cpaelzer> thanks joalif for the review
[15:36] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bpfcc/+bug/2052813 I reviewed today
[15:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2052813 in bpfcc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] bpfcc" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:36] <cpaelzer> it is ok but with quite a few required and recommended todos
[15:36] <cpaelzer> here in particular I wanted to ask eslerm and sarnold something
[15:37] <cpaelzer> could you open my review and scroll to the [Security] section
[15:37] <cpaelzer> In this case I'm not sure if I should say we need or do not need a security review
[15:37] <cpaelzer> WDYT?
[15:38] <sarnold> I'm
[15:38] <cpaelzer> yes you are
[15:38] <sarnold> :D
[15:38] <sarnold> I'm not sure either; on the one hand, administrative privilege is required to run these, so there's a thin barrier at best
[15:38] <sarnold> most of the security layer happens in the kernel
[15:38] <cpaelzer> yes, by BPF being in isolation there
[15:39] <cpaelzer> some isolation
[15:39] <cpaelzer> here is the deal, if you say you do not think it is needed, my call will be it is not needed
[15:39] <eslerm> I'll let sarnold decide
[15:39] <cpaelzer> and then we are fine
[15:39] <eslerm> a quick review might remove some footguns
[15:39] <cpaelzer> if you say, no you want - then I go that way
[15:39] <sarnold> I believe that this package itself is very little risk to the security team, but the kernel portion might -- so, I'm inclined to say that this doesn't need security team review
[15:40] <cpaelzer> eslerm: is there a good way to express "we should have a quick check but not a full reivew"
[15:40] <eslerm> likely :)
[15:41] <cpaelzer> hehe
[15:41] <cpaelzer> how about you volunteer for that "quick but not full" check
[15:41] <cpaelzer> then the solution is that I'll assign you
[15:41] <cpaelzer> actually it is back with mkukri so I'd subscribe you
[15:41] <eslerm> a short audit might find something useful to report upstream, it might just be bugs, if the security context cannot be made worse by bugs
[15:42] <eslerm> I can do that
[15:42] <cpaelzer> thank you
[15:42] <eslerm> (i.e., only bugs exist if you are already root, not vulnerabilities)
[15:42] <cpaelzer> you are subscvribed
[15:42] <cpaelzer> "subscribed"
[15:42] <cpaelzer> next is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-broker/+bug/2015538
[15:42] <mkukri> oh anything is fine by me as far as these MIRs go
[15:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:43] <mkukri> current plan is for me to address the TODOs next week and hopefully get it uploaded by FF
[15:43] <cpaelzer> thanks mkukri if only we'd have known that we could dump anything on you as part of this :-P
[15:43] <slyon> cpaelzer: so you helped get the apparmor delta upstreamed into Debian dbus-broker? We should be able to drop the Ubuntu delta then, right?
[15:43] <mkukri> "these MIRs" as in the ones already assigned, anything extra will have to go through foundations managers, am afraid :)
[15:44] <cpaelzer> yes slyon the Debian maintainer is helpful and friendly, he asked for that delta even
[15:44] <cpaelzer> and on the bug he helped to explain to resolve some of the discussions
[15:44] <cpaelzer> like not ever fully replacing dbus anyway because dbus-run-session from the src:dbus package works just fine
[15:44] <cpaelzer> that directly addresses a concern of eslerm
[15:45] <cpaelzer> and overall makes this more likely to work out
[15:45] <cpaelzer> I have no good overview of what else is left open here, but it could go back to seb128 to reconsider
[15:45] <cpaelzer> jbicha: ^^ could you pass that info on please as seb seems to not be around atm
[15:45] <sarnold> should we then ask for a split of src:dbus into one package for dbus-run-session, one package for the policy/config/deps that bluca mentions, and one package (for universe) for the daemon that we want to demote?
[15:46] <cpaelzer> sarnold: IMHO no, we have packages where we explicitly say "this binary in main, the rest not"
[15:46] <sarnold> cpaelzer: hah, I see I forgot the word 'binary' in there
[15:46] <cpaelzer> doing that here is much smaller maintenance effort than keeping a huge delta splitting the source
[15:46] <cpaelzer> oh
[15:47] <cpaelzer> yeah, that "splitting the binaries to just keep what we want in main" would be a good next step then
[15:47] <eslerm> +1
[15:48] <slyon> +1
[15:48] <cpaelzer> I added a comment on the bug
[15:48] <eslerm> a rust vendored version of dbus-broker-session is also needed, right?
[15:48] <slyon> I also just synced the dbus-broker package
[15:48] <cpaelzer> thank you for the discussion
[15:48] <cpaelzer> yes eslerm, that is one of the known required todos
[15:48] <eslerm> dbus-broker-session is still in PR iiuc
[15:49] <cpaelzer> interesting
[15:49] <eslerm> https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker/pull/321
[15:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 321 in bus1/dbus-broker "session: implement dbus-broker-session" [Open]
[15:49] <cpaelzer> wow
[15:49] <cpaelzer> next incomplete is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-snapshot/+bug/2052652
[15:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2052652 in gnome-snapshot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-snapshot" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:49] <slyon> but bluca mentions we could keep using dbus-run-session (if it is split into an separate binary anyway)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> got a review by slyon
[15:49] <cpaelzer> ack slyon, that is how I understood it too
[15:50] <eslerm> ah, ack
[15:50] <cpaelzer> So I guess this is just back to the requesting team to resolve required TODOs
[15:50] <slyon> gnome-snapshot has quite some TODOs for jbicha. I wonder if we should already get this into security-queue, as it seems time sensitive?
[15:50] <cpaelzer> it will go to the security reivew
[15:50] <cpaelzer> so you might want to add that to the queue already despite being back for open tasks
[15:50] <cpaelzer> hehe
[15:50] <cpaelzer> we thought alike slyon
[15:50] <slyon> hehe
[15:50] <cpaelzer> sarnold: eslerm: WDYT?
[15:51] <sarnold> yeah, we should be pulling things forward as we can
[15:51] <eslerm> I prefer things hitting our queue early
[15:51] <jbicha> I'll forward this conversation to Seb but I believe he won't be able to respond this week
[15:51] <cpaelzer> ok, do it!
[15:52] <cpaelzer> jbicha: thank you, feel free to respond in his name or pull in others as you see appropriate (or don't - really up to you)
[15:52] <cpaelzer> next recent incomplete is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtraceevent/+bug/2051916
[15:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2051916 in libtraceevent (Ubuntu) "[MIR] promote libtraceevent as a trace-cmd dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:52] <cpaelzer> yet another review done, thanks didrocks
[15:52] <cpaelzer> again having lots of required and some recommended TODOs
[15:52] <cpaelzer> that is back on Paul for now
[15:52] <eslerm> should security review this while others are working on TODOs?
[15:52] <cpaelzer> a bit symbols, plenty of testing .- just like bpfcc actually
[15:53] <cpaelzer> this again was called to need a review
[15:53] <cpaelzer> so yes, to bring things forward I think it would be great to add that to the queue already as well
[15:53] <slyon> upils: is working on this actively
[15:53] <cpaelzer> I need to keep time in mind, so I'll go on
[15:53] <cpaelzer> but this section was very worthwhile today
[15:54] <cpaelzer> bringing a lot of things forwards
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[15:54] <cpaelzer> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[15:54] <cpaelzer> nothing new
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:54] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:54] <cpaelzer> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:54] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[15:54] <slyon> we fixed the graph last week with dviererbe :)
[15:54] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[15:54] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[15:54] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[15:54] <cpaelzer> we just said we will add two
[15:54] <cpaelzer> awesome slyon and dviererbe
[15:54] <eslerm> I added a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fdk-aac-free/+bug/1977614
[15:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1977614 in fdk-aac-free (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fdk-aac-free" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[15:54] <sarnold> slyon woo! :) thanks
[15:55] <cpaelzer> thanks eslerm
[15:55] <cpaelzer> that was jbicha requesting that, he might know if that is of current priority or not
[15:56] <cpaelzer> I'll go on in the agenda ...
[15:56] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:56] <eslerm> I have one more question
[15:56] <cpaelzer> I had all mine above already
[15:56] <cpaelzer> shoot eslerm
[15:56] <eslerm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wsl-pro-service/+bug/2052495
[15:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2052495 in wsl-pro-service (Ubuntu Noble) "[MIR] wsl-pro-service" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[15:56] <cpaelzer> not to be considered an order
[15:56] <eslerm> is any special consideration needed for promoting to older LTS'
[15:57] <cpaelzer> ok, I know a bit of that context
[15:57] <jbicha> yes, we'd like to get fdk-aac-free into main for Noble. I will ping my Fedora contacts today about the fork being outdated
[15:57] <slyon> eslerm: so far the package is not even available on older series... so I would ignore it for now?
[15:57] <eslerm> thanks jbicha
[15:57] <eslerm> ack, thanks slyon
[15:57] <eslerm> so, our review would not be acking old LTS then ?
[15:57] <cpaelzer> the consideration we had in the past
[15:57] <slyon> the owning team should request MIR for the older series once it's ready
[15:58] <eslerm> sounds good to me
[15:58] <cpaelzer> slyon: but here they requested it right away
[15:58] <cpaelzer> they did spell out that this will immediately go back to older releases
[15:58] <cpaelzer> what we have done in that case in the past
[15:58] <slyon> eslerm: yes. We'll probably have the same version backported to older LTS (I assume)... so an follow-up MIR for older LTS should be easy
[15:58] <cpaelzer> was looking if that adds any special issues
[15:58] <sarnold> cpaelzer: wsl currently plays no part in any of the testing anywhere in the companym, as far as I can tell: there's no britney, none of the security team tests have ever been tested in wsl, etc. it's always felt like a "well, if it works, that's neat" sort of thing
[15:58] <cpaelzer> like, dependencies or the context no more working
[15:59] <sarnold> cpaelzer: it's weird to me to be considering selling pro for wsl without having the basic testing story covered
[15:59] <cpaelzer> and then we have said "this is ok, also for those releases"
[15:59] <cpaelzer> sarnold: this is for pro in wsl as you say, and that is actually tested daily and on any change by the Desktop team owning this agent and by the pro team it is tested as well from the other POV to this
[16:00] <cpaelzer> pro on wsl, does not make this story any different
[16:00] <cpaelzer> we could also say we need tests on each cloud, each container stack, ... then
[16:00] <cpaelzer> but we do not
[16:00] <eslerm> I believe security can proceed with only Nobel in mind (a conditional ack for just 24.04 if needed) while this is all worked out
[16:00] <sarnold> can windows execute systemd yet?
[16:01] <sarnold> as far as I know, the clouds can, and some of the containers do, some do not..
[16:01] <cpaelzer> to be clear, you can have a lot of things in WSL already, even pro works there. But it isn't called that way and this makes it able to enable it more smoothly.
[16:01] <slyon> sarnold: I remember helping with systemd support for wsl in the past, so probably yes
[16:01] <cpaelzer> yes, it can in some environments
[16:02] <sarnold> I seem to recall lucy making it work, but does the thing that we or microsoft ship work?
[16:02] <cpaelzer> it isn't as bad as you might think :-)
[16:02] <sarnold> I think comparing it to a new architecture is perhaps the better comparison
[16:02] <cpaelzer> but again, this request is only for an agent that makes enabling pro possible in smoother ways
[16:02] <sarnold> sure
[16:03] <cpaelzer> it is not "let us create Ubuntu for WSL, what should we do"
[16:03] <sarnold> I'm asking the larger question
[16:03] <cpaelzer> those are questions to be asked, but not as part of this MIR
[16:03] <sarnold> cpaelzer: just promise me that someone is asking these questions of the right people
[16:04] <cpaelzer> sarnold: you send me a mail summarize with what you want to be asked and I make it happen
[16:04] <sarnold> cpaelzer: awesome, thanks :)
[16:04] <cpaelzer> I have quite some ties to many people, probably all that need to hear that
[16:04] <cpaelzer> ok
[16:04] <cpaelzer> thank you all, I need to close
[16:04] <cpaelzer> I'm too late already ...
[16:04] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[16:04] <cpaelzer> thanks++
[16:04] <eslerm> thanks everyone o/
[16:04] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:04:50 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-20-15.31.moin.txt
[16:05] <slyon> thanks! o/


[02:13] <detrate> ScottL: I will be doing some wordpress work this weekend that I will be able to duplicate over to ubuntu studio's new webiste
[02:13] <detrate> site*
[02:40] <holstein> hey guys
[02:41] <holstein> im going to be helping out with the newsletter
[02:41] <holstein> the ubuntu news letter
[02:41] <holstein> id really like to use this to help the studio project
[02:41] <holstein> if anyone has any links to news
[02:41] <holstein> or any ideas
[02:41] <holstein> send them my way
[02:42]  * holstein will try to remember to send a message like this VIA the email list
[03:25] <ScottL> detrate, that rocks!  i'm pretty excited to see what you came up with :)
[03:26] <ScottL> holstein, which newsletter?  helping ubuntu studio would be awesome though
[03:26] <holstein> hey ScottL :)
[03:26] <holstein> thest
[03:27] <holstein> these*
[03:27] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue194
[03:27] <holstein> my recruiter says that there has to be a link to the news
[03:27] <holstein> for reference i guess
[03:27] <holstein> other than that
[03:27] <holstein> i think its wide open
[03:29]  * holstein cant believe bogani didnt get membership
[03:30] <holstein> or ppu status or whatever
[03:30] <detrate> ScottL: no design yet, I'm working on technical stuff, tying plugins together and building on a strong theme foundation, building a base application for wordpress as a custom CMS, so we'll just have to restyle, change user names for social media sites and make minor changes
[03:36] <ScottL> holstein, i think he's trying to get ppu rights for a very, very select item, i.e. kernel
[03:36] <ScottL> i think it's just going to be hard because of the limited people involved
[03:37] <ScottL> detrate, oh, heh   i was getting excited for nothing then ;)
[03:37] <detrate> oh, it's not nothing ;)
[03:49] <ScottL> oh, and holstein, that's pretty wicked that you are going to helping out with *that* newsletter
[04:01] <holstein> my friend akgraner is in charge of it
[04:01] <holstein> and has asked a few folks for help
[04:01] <holstein> i think we should make some new up
[04:01] <holstein> fabricate some new
[04:01] <holstein> s
[04:01] <holstein> about what we need for ubuntustudio
[04:02] <holstein> as long as its on a web page
[04:02] <holstein> not even fabricate really
[04:02] <holstein> just get the right info out to hopefully the right folks in the community
[17:53] <ScottL> !proposed
[17:53] <ScottL> !backports