[00:02] <HoNgOuRu> there is obviously a bugg look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/494099
[00:06] <HoNgOuRu> I fixed IT !!!!!
[00:06] <HoNgOuRu> just added enable-lfe-remixing = yes to /etc/modules/daemon.conf
[04:34] <stevedtrrrrm> ello noobz
[04:34] <stevedtrrrrm> any1 here?
[04:57] <mystdarren> stevedtrrrrm: do you need help?
[05:17] <stevedtrrrrm> mystdarren - im hoping to get linux running in a virtual machine
[05:17] <stevedtrrrrm> on windows.
[05:18] <stevedtrrrrm> got an old PC
[05:18] <stevedtrrrrm> considering the move over to linux
[05:18] <stevedtrrrrm> wanna try it out.
[05:18] <stevedtrrrrm> the PC has 768 MB RAM
[05:19] <stevedtrrrrm> ami better trying full ubuntu or l version first?
[05:20] <Unit193> I don't think Unity would run well on that, but what is your processor?
[05:21] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[05:33] <stevedtrrrrm> centrino 1.5 ghz
[06:13] <mystdarren> stevedtrrrrm: I'd just backup your current setup and install lubuntu fresh
[06:56] <windbuntu> can lubuntu properly use a dual core computer?
[06:58] <Unit193> Don't see why not.
[06:59] <bioterror> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-smp/
[06:59] <bioterror> you tell us after reading that for example
[06:59] <bioterror> as I dont know what's your properly
[07:00] <bioterror> but yes, we use same kernel as ubuntu and it comes with SMP
[08:51] <Yos> can I switch from Ubuntu 12.04 to lubuntu without having to make a fresh install ?
[09:11] <gordonjcp> Yos: yes
[09:11] <gordonjcp> Yos: install lubuntu-desktop
[09:11] <Yos> thank you gordonjcp
[09:11] <gordonjcp> Yos: bear in mind that much of the stuff that Unity requires running in the background will still be started
[09:12] <gordonjcp> so there's going to be a certain amount of cleaning up to do
[09:12] <Yos> you have some time to help me with this 'clean up' ?
[09:13] <Yos> I don't like unity at all
[09:13] <gordonjcp> not really, I'm at work
[09:13] <Yos> ah, ok
[09:13] <gordonjcp> tbh just installing lxde will probably be enough
[09:13] <gordonjcp> I quite like Unity
[09:13] <gordonjcp> it takes a bit of getting used to though
[09:13] <MrChrisDruif> Yos; you're running ubuntu with openbox already?
[09:14] <bioterror> gordonjcp, not that much, !purelxde ;)
[09:14] <Yos> yes MrChrisDruif
[09:14] <gordonjcp> I'm currently running xubuntu but for some reason all the fonts are tiny
[09:14] <gordonjcp> if I could get xubuntu with straight ubuntu's font settings I'd be happy enough with that
[09:16] <Yos> MrChrisDruif, I have been using openbox like 3 days and have enjoyed it but it does lack from what a full DE has to offer
[09:16] <MrChrisDruif> But sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop should give you that full DE
[09:17] <Yos> just finished, I'm gonna reboot into it, brb
[09:18] <mi3> #linuxmint-debian
[09:18] <mi3> #linuxmint-debian
[09:20] <MrChrisDruif> Not only is that completely out of context mi3, but you'll be frown upon by the op's (don't just spam a channel with a different distro)
[09:20] <gordonjcp> man I wonder if I can get Unity running on FreeBSD
[09:21] <mi3> err sorry, I typed that in the wrong channel, sorry for that
[09:21] <MrChrisDruif> mi3; it can happen
[09:21] <gordonjcp> never ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to incompetence ;-)
[09:21] <mi3> lol
[09:24] <Yos> looks good :)
[09:27] <Yos> MrChrisDruif, what do I have to do to get rid of Unity all togather ?
[09:28] <MrChrisDruif> Yos; You don't have unity installed right now, right?
[09:28] <Yos> I am on Ubuntu 12.04 so Unity is installed
[09:29] <bioterror> !purelxde | yos
[09:31] <gordonjcp> bioterror: I know that works, but it still scares me a bit
[09:31] <gordonjcp> and really, how long does it take to do a clean install?
[09:31] <gordonjcp> (yes, I know that's not the whole story and you've then got to reinstall locally-installed apps)
[09:31] <MrChrisDruif> gordonjcp; why does it scare you?
[09:31] <Timo_> Hi, yesterday  I've upgraded to 12.04 (fromout 11.10), I've used it, and also booted on it a few times already. But now I am now unable to boot. I could see the boot logo, but now it's stuck at "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility. Starting CUPS printing spooler/server" and then nothing happens :(
[09:32] <gordonjcp> MrChrisDruif: well, in my experience deleting "unnecessary" packages either leaves a lot of cruft around, or ganks out something essential
[09:33] <bioterror> gordonjcp, apt-get purge ;)
[09:33] <MrChrisDruif> gordonjcp; if you purge instead of remove, you also remove the setting files, but if you look at the end of the command, you'll see it'll install lubuntu-desktop
[09:35] <MrChrisDruif> Or so it *used* to mention it
[09:36] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, if you append "; sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop -f" it should check if lubuntu-desktop is intact
[09:37] <Yos> wow, this removes a lot
[09:37] <Yos> vlc, gufw, virtualbox, lol
[09:38] <Yos> so I'll basically end up with a fresh install after this ?
[09:38] <Yos> hope it doesn't remove Tor
[09:44] <MrChrisDruif> Yos; you'll see a complete list it attempts to remove before remove which is alphabetised, just check if tor is among that list
[09:45] <MrChrisDruif> Or is Tor an plugin for firefox/chromium?
[09:46] <bioterror> Timo_, if you press ctrl+alt+f7, you dont end up to graphical?
[09:47] <Timo_> no
[09:47] <Timo_> it shows me the latest boot info
[09:47] <Timo_> like the 'Starting CUPS printing spooler/server [OK]"
[09:47] <bioterror> what if you press ctrl+alt+f1?
[09:47] <bioterror> do you get tty?
[09:47] <Timo_> im there now
[09:47] <Timo_> :P
[09:48] <bioterror> can you run command: startlubuntu
[09:48] <Timo_> "(lxsession:2295) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[09:48] <Yos> well, at least Tor remained lol
[09:49] <Yos> and my system didn't break yet
[09:49] <Timo_> Yos: nice one :D
[09:49] <bioterror> Timo_, can you stop lightdm service?
[09:51] <Timo_> bioterror: it's not running, I think
[09:52] <bioterror> Timo_, sudo service lightdm stop
[09:52] <bioterror> what does it say?
[09:52] <Timo_> unkown instance
[09:52] <bioterror> your system was 12.04?
[09:53] <Yos> and my anonet hub is still here :)
[09:53] <Timo_> and when I do 'sudo lightdm', it goes to tty7, and it flickers, and goes back to the log message. Yes I'm at 12.04
[09:53] <Timo_> as far as I know :P
[09:53] <bioterror> hmmmm
[09:53] <bioterror> you should have that kind of instance
[09:55] <Timo_> I think that's what the problem is. the graphical enviroment fails, and that's why lightdm fails as well
[09:55] <Timo_> or something
[09:55] <bioterror> you still have LXDM?
[09:57] <Timo_> but, I was on Lubutnu 12.04 with everything working yesterday, how can it be borked now :p
[09:57] <Timo_> hey, lxdm is working :D
[09:57] <bioterror> okay
[09:57] <bioterror> sounds like a conflict
[09:57] <Timo_> im logged on now! :D
[09:58] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; it's "sudo stop <service>"
[09:58] <bioterror> it is not!
[09:58] <MrChrisDruif> or restart etc...
[09:58] <MrChrisDruif> Why does my network-manager restart with "sudo restart network-manager" then?
[10:00] <Timo_> bioterror: would it be possible to set LXDM as default instead of LightDM
[10:00] <MrChrisDruif> Timo_; dpkg-reconfigure lxdm
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, append sudo in front of that of course
[10:02] <Timo_> okay, thanks a lot people! I'm quickly going back to learning my exam
[10:02] <bioterror> I would try to solve LightDM problem
[10:02] <bioterror> as that's the default DM from 12.04 on
[10:02] <Timo_> ye but I really don't have the time right now :P
[10:03] <Timo_> again, thanks, I appreciate your work! :)
[11:33] <Yos> what is the default firewall for lubuntu? ufw ?
[11:33] <Yos> iptables ?
[11:48] <kristian-school> hi ppl
[11:48] <kristian-school> this is kristian-aalborg on the laptop that's running 12.04 and has a buggy LXPanel
[11:51] <kristian-school> I can't reproduce, though
[11:51] <kristian-school> hi Unit193 and holstein :D
[14:31] <LuUser> hey, i got my pgp keys setup in seahorse (passwords and keys) but how do i encrypt/decrpty messages.  when i right click a text file i don't see the options
[14:36] <LuUser> anyone using pgp on lubuntu?
[14:40] <Resistance> LuUser:  not sure if your client has the support ootb, but you can pgp encrypt a message via command line...
[14:42] <LuUser> seahorse is has plugins for nautilus that i installed.  but lubuntu runs kde right?  should i install nautilus or will that change the interface
[14:42] <Resistance> Kubuntu runs KDE
[14:42] <Resistance> i dont think Lubuntu runs KDE...
[14:42] <Resistance> i dont recommend installing nautilus, by the way ;P
[14:43] <Resistance> aw, not again... /me runs off to deal with the cascade failure of servers in two of the clusters he manages at work
[15:22] <kristian-T61p> hi ppl
[15:26] <gordonjcp> hmm
[15:27] <gordonjcp> lubuntu is borked since I last updated
[15:27] <wormmd> I can't get Sylpheed to retrieve mail from an account that Thunderbid will, and I've set everything up as similar as possible. It looks like Sylpheed has far fewer options to set than Thunderbird. Has anyone had any problems with Sylpheed?
[15:27]  * gordonjcp has had many problems with sylpheed
[15:28] <gordonjcp> to the extent that I'm seriously considering forking it, patching the hell out of it, and submitting the patches
[15:28] <gordonjcp> anyone else getting lubuntu getting stuck unable to start X?
[15:31] <wormmd> gordonjcp: I suppose I'll stick with Thunderbird for now, thanks :)
[17:01] <Pro7_> http://static.debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/
[18:10] <gordonjcp> right, time to unbork lubuntu on my laptop
[18:10] <gordonjcp> has anyone else had problems with X not starting, since some recent update?
[18:11] <zleap> i only installed the other day so no issues so far
[18:13] <gordonjcp> odd
[18:13] <gordonjcp> think I'll just back it up and nuke it
[18:13] <gordonjcp> I'm finding lubuntu a bit slow and crashy, tbh
[18:14] <zleap> hmm
[18:14] <gordonjcp> lxpanel goes insane when firefox finishes downloading something
[18:14] <zleap> hmm, but firefox is bigger,  what does chrome do ?
[18:14] <gordonjcp> starts consuming all memory, and brings the machine to its knees
[18:14] <gordonjcp> don't know
[18:15] <gordonjcp> I junked chromium straight away, it's unusable
[18:15] <wxl> that's strange
[18:15] <wxl> as a die-hard firefox user i just switched to chromium
[18:15] <zleap> i find ubuntu makes the screen fade out,  when doing tasks,  thankfully crtl-alt-f1 works so i can login and reboot
[18:15] <gordonjcp> there's no way to turn off the annoying "this file may harm your computer" message when you go to download a PDF
[18:15] <wxl> so much faster for me
[18:16] <wxl> in chromium
[18:16] <wxl> ?
[18:16] <gordonjcp> yeah
[18:16] <gordonjcp> and it's several mouse clicks to get rid of it
[18:16] <gordonjcp> and actually get the damn pdf
[18:16] <gordonjcp> multiplied by reading dozens and dozens of PDFs a day, it starts to get a bit bloody obnoxious
[18:17] <wxl> options > under the hood > downloads > ask where to save each file
[18:17] <gordonjcp> right, but that doesn't disable it whining about how the file might damage my computer
[18:17] <gordonjcp> quite how it would, I don't know
[18:18] <wxl> it should
[18:18] <wxl> does over here
[18:19] <gordonjcp> hang on, let me install it on this machine
[18:22] <wxl> btw might i recommend the vrome extension (if you're a vim lover)
[18:22] <wxl> so much better than vimperator for ff
[18:23] <gordonjcp> haha
[18:23] <gordonjcp> "under the hood"?
[18:23] <wxl> yeah yeah
[18:23] <gordonjcp> in en-GB it's i18nised as "Under the Bonnet"
[18:23] <gordonjcp> love it
[18:23] <wxl> HAHAHAHAHAH
[18:23] <wxl> wtf
[18:24] <wxl> too bad it 'twasn't under the petticoats
[18:26] <gordonjcp> right, "ask where to save each file" gets rid of that, but asks where I want to save the file
[18:26] <gordonjcp> I don't want it to save it, I want it to spark up evince, without bothering me with stupid questions
[18:26] <wxl> that's just the way it is
[18:27] <wxl> nothing lubuntu can help you out with
[18:27] <gordonjcp> hence my use of firefox
[18:28] <gordonjcp> since the chromium irc channel was about as much use as a chocolate fireguard
[18:28] <gordonjcp> "ZOMG YOU CAN'T TURN THAT OFF BECAUSE PDFS ARE A SECURITY RISK!!11!!!!1!!!!"
[18:28] <wxl> his is also a chrome problem
[18:28] <wxl> ^t
[18:28] <wxl> so you could go complain at google
[18:28] <wxl> good luck on that one
[18:28] <wxl> meanwhile i'd move on ;)
[18:28] <gordonjcp> "ZOMG PDFS CAN HACK YOUR SYSTEM AND YOU GET A VIRUSES"
[18:29] <gordonjcp> mongtards, the lot of them
[18:29] <zleap> what about word files or libre office scripts
[18:29] <gordonjcp> I don't use word files
[18:29] <gordonjcp> I never use office apps
[18:29] <zleap> but they can have scripts
[18:29] <gordonjcp> don't give a toss, I never use the things
[18:29] <zleap> i am talking generally if pdfs are a security risk,
[18:30] <zleap> yeah but if you block 1 sort of file when there are lots out there that also pose a risk,
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:33] <gordonjcp> zleap: oh totally
[18:33] <zleap> i have never had anything block pdfs though
[19:09] <zleap> why is the cd image reported as 688 mb but also shows upas 721mb
[19:09] <zleap> which would imply it won't fit on a normal cd-r if its >700mb
[20:00] <zleap> hello
[20:01] <Unit193> Howdy, how may we help you?
[20:02] <zleap> i am fine,  er is the iso image designed for a cd-r
[20:02] <zleap> as its 721 mb
[20:02] <zleap> even though windows says its 688 mb
[20:02] <Unit193> unit193 unit193 689M Apr 26 19:10 lubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[20:03] <Unit193> ls -lh   in the terminal, or check with thunar.
[22:22] <nicklas_> hello, are there any good compositors for lxde in repos?
[22:22] <Unit193> Sure, and here's how to use a few http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/search/label/eyecandy
[22:28] <nicklas_> ty
[22:30] <nicklas_> hm, cairo-compmgr repos :-) cairo-compmgr is old though
[22:46] <osmodivs> Hello. I just upgraded to Lubuntu 12.04, Before I ipgraded, in the login screen, the system would let me choose the languaje, now, it wont, it is a completly new different manager. I remember the system asking me for a display manager, it was light something and lxdm, How can I go back to the old manager?
[22:47] <osmodivs> Login manager, I do not know the exact term
[22:47] <Unit193> First, can you click at the top right corner? That should have the option.
[22:49] <osmodivs> Unit193, No, no such option there, it only has an option for High contrast theme
[22:49]  * Unit193 thought there was...
[22:49] <Unit193> Alright, sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxdm
[22:50] <stevmmm> trying to installlubuntu on a virtual box
[22:50] <stevmmm> keeps saying it cant lock down the memory
[22:50] <stevmmm> and crashing
[22:50] <stevmmm> using virtualbox
[22:50] <stevmmm> on an old laptop with winxp
[22:58] <osmodivs> Unit193, Yes, it worked, that command let me choose another manager, I choose LXDM and that one lets me choose the language, so i guess LIGHTD is garbage because it does not let me choose the languageM
[22:58] <osmodivs> Thank you Unit193
[23:00] <Unit193> LightDM, and it should, let me look at a wiki.
[23:03] <Unit193> Yeah, I have the option here.
[23:11] <stevmmm> cant get lubuntu to work on my virtualbox :(
[23:11] <Unit193> That sounded more like a vbox/windows problem.
[23:12] <stevmmm> i guess so.
[23:13] <Unit193> #vbox maybe?
[23:14] <stevmmm> didnt know it existed
[23:14] <stevmmm> thanx
[23:14] <stevmmm> :)
[23:14] <Unit193> Hope they can get it.
[23:49] <Osmodivs_> Hello. I keep getting this error on my Webbrowers (Chromium and Firefox) skin color is wrong, red seem like blue and blue seems like red, What could be wrong here? http://www.pasteall.org/pic/31596


[09:17] <hyper_ch> weird... now KDE doesn't autostart anymore but I have to run systemctl default
[10:12] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:17] <hyper_ch> it is afternoon
[10:17] <hyper_ch> got some issues
[10:17] <lordievader> Which are?
[10:30] <hyper_ch> weird... now KDE doesn't autostart anymore but I have to run systemctl default
[10:30] <hyper_ch> and it doesn't power off anymore
[10:30] <hyper_ch> and if I don't have the lan cable attached, it won't start kde at all
[10:33] <lordievader> Heh, how did you accomplish that?
[10:42] <hyper_ch> I just dist-upgraded
[10:42] <hyper_ch> btw, can you check your /etc/network/interfaces
[10:43] <hyper_ch> is there you snXpY or something ethernet device on auto?
[10:43] <lordievader> Just a second, have to boot up my Wily box first.
[10:46] <hyper_ch> what do you mean you need to boot it up first? oO
[10:47] <lordievader> (K)Ubuntu ain't my main OS.
[10:47] <lordievader> Anyhow only lo is configured.
[10:47] <hyper_ch> what is it then?
[10:48] <lordievader> Ah ip link finally shows predictable names \o/
[10:48] <lordievader> hyper_ch: Gentoo.
[10:48] <hyper_ch> lordievader: that might be it... I had added the smXpY thingy manually because after server install I had not inet connection
[10:48] <hyper_ch> so I might disable that now... that could be the root of all problems
[10:48]  * hyper_ch heard only hardcore linuxer use Gentoo
[10:49] <lordievader> Seems HP has changed the NIC location over the years.
[10:49] <hyper_ch> well, I'll deactivate it now from the interfaces file and I'll see next reboot how it goes
[10:49] <hyper_ch> I only noticed this morning when I tried to boot it up
[10:52] <hyper_ch> I'm almost ready to jump ship to Nixos :)
[10:55] <lordievader> Never heard of that one.
[10:56] <hyper_ch> lordievader: haven't you been here when I and BluesKaj discussed it like 2 weeks ago?
[10:56] <lordievader> Perhaps, perhaps I've forgotten.
[10:56] <hyper_ch> nixos has two nice things
[10:57] <lordievader> "all packages are kept in /nix/store instead" how is that a good thing?
[10:57] <hyper_ch> 1) atomicity - meaning each upgrade is a seperate "profile" that you can boot in... so if an update goes awry, you can reboot into an earlier profile
[10:57] <hyper_ch> 2) you setup the system by configuring one file to your need
[10:58] <hyper_ch> [3) in multi-users setup you can allow to have users install their own stuff]
[11:00] <hyper_ch> lordievader: e.g. my current config file:   https://github.com/sjau/nixos/blob/master/configuration.nix
[11:00] <hyper_ch> still needs tweaking and stuff... need to harden ssh etc....
[11:01] <hyper_ch> and will also give KDE5 a testdrive
[11:01] <hyper_ch> also need to add the virtualbox usb plugin
[11:02] <lordievader> In Gentoo you do the same thing, but then with the actual config files.
[11:03] <hyper_ch> gentoo is way too complicated for simple minded users like me
[11:04] <lordievader> It's not. There is great documentation, besides you actually learn to configure a Linux system properly.
[11:05]  * hyper_ch heard that in #gentoo they like to rip off and eat the heads of noobx
[11:06] <lordievader> They do if you ask question that are in the handbook. Like allmost all channels here on freenode you should search google first.
[11:06] <lordievader> Show you put effort in solving your problem.
[11:06] <hyper_ch> I usually post: "help, it doesn't work"
[11:06] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:07] <lordievader> I know... the same counts for you.
[11:22] <hyper_ch> so, giving nixos a try? ;)
[11:23] <hyper_ch> smartcard reader and signing app are still issues
[11:24] <lordievader> No, it looks like a very bad idea of an operating system.
[11:27] <hyper_ch> how so?
[11:29] <lordievader> Because you can just as well configure a system properly.
[11:32] <hyper_ch> this is configure properly :)
[11:32] <lordievader> No it aint.
[11:32] <hyper_ch> why not?
[11:32] <lordievader> It is a poor excuse not to do it.
[11:33] <lordievader> Because there is an abstraction layer between you and the configuration of the programs/the operating system.
[11:39] <hyper_ch> not sure what you mean
[11:39] <lordievader> Look at the paste you just gave. Is that a configuration of one program?
[11:40] <hyper_ch> that's the configuration for the whole system
[11:40] <lordievader> Precisely.
[11:41] <lordievader> An apache config has no place in there.
[11:41] <lordievader> A grub config has no place in there.
[11:41] <hyper_ch> it's not a config
[11:42] <hyper_ch> it's what shall be altered from default config
[11:42] <lordievader> It looks very much like a config.
[11:42] <hyper_ch> if you just want apache do:    services.httpd.enable = true ;
[11:43] <hyper_ch> that will just install with default configs
[11:43] <lordievader> It's clear it ain't an OS for me ;)
[11:43] <hyper_ch> and for grub you just tell it to install grub v2 onto /dev/sda
[11:44] <hyper_ch> how does gentoo do it then?
[11:45] <lordievader> Let's take Apache as an example. You look at the use flags, to see what you want/need.


[00:00] <kc2bez> I'm sorry wxl, I am afraid I don't follow you. ^
[00:01] <wxl> kc2bez: supposedly it makes 18.04.02 not boot, but adam's suggesting to keep testing while we get the fix in
[00:03] <kc2bez> I don't think I am looking at the same bug. This one was for 18.10 Xfce
[00:04] <wxl> yeah but it's the kernel going into 18.04.2
[00:04] <kc2bez> Ah, I missed that part, sorry.
[00:05] <wxl> see:
[00:05] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004693.html
[00:05] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004694.html
[00:05] <wxl> i guess you kind of need to read between the lines
[00:06] <kc2bez> Yup, The picture is painted now.
[00:08] <kc2bez> In unrelated news we received a bit of a low blow in the LXQt forum today.
[00:09] <wxl> oh jeez. got a link? i often just ignore it.....
[00:10] <kc2bez> https://forum.lxqt.org/t/heightwhenhidden/606
[00:10] <wxl> wow, that's just fantastic
[00:11] <wxl> alienate users and distros alike. so nice
[00:11] <kc2bez> Impressive for sure.
[00:12] <wxl> admittedly debian stable doesn't have it, so i guess it sucks, too
[00:13] <wxl> in fact, it's on 11
[00:13] <kc2bez> Ouch
[00:13] <wxl> i could go in and say something like that, but i'm over it
[00:14] <kc2bez> I'd say we could patch it if I knew what was different or when it was changed. He didn't mention that though.
[00:22] <kc2bez> Wait, it does it on the release we are on. Right click on the panel > Configure panel> select autohide > Uncheck visible thin margin for hidden panel
[00:26] <wxl> so there's no problem?
[00:27] <kc2bez> Correct. We are on the latest release and it has the functionality. The difference is you don't need to do it from the config menu.
[00:27] <kc2bez> /s/menu/file
[00:28] <wxl> maybe reply back? *shrug*
[00:28] <kc2bez> You do it form the menu.
[00:28] <kc2bez> Hmm, Have to work myself up for that one.
[00:30] <wxl> just ignore tsujan and reply to the user :)
[00:32] <kc2bez> Yeah, I will send something back.
[00:41] <kc2bez> It's on.
[00:43] <kc2bez> Hopefully it helps someone.
 OMG, that was ... indescriptible?
[02:53] <krytarik> Are you saying that you are lost on words?  Me too right now.
[05:56] <lynorian> It is not like we are that far behind 0.13 was current until how many weeks ago
[05:57] <lynorian> Although at least agaida wasn't failing to be funny
[07:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8250416e87aa: Start startup-disc-creator] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8250416e87aa
[20:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa1bba45e02ff: Add how to luanch startup disk creator] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa1bba45e02ff
[20:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL98dff4523469: Add left and right to move the window] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL98dff4523469
[20:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb10ae639ac4f: Add up/down arrows to htop] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb10ae639ac4f
[20:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL47755540f00e: Add page up /page down select different processes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL47755540f00e
[20:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8f9380190078: Add home/end to select first/last process] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8f9380190078
[20:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5b0c8791028b: Add labels to all short options as that what they are] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5b0c8791028b
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2c918f8f7ac7: Add how to get out of tree view back to normal] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2c918f8f7ac7
[21:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL056ea969db98: Add how to change/add a keyboard shortcut] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL056ea969db98
[21:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc48b8a448dd9: Fix warning stupid typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc48b8a448dd9
[21:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL90cb3e12d81a: Add startup-disk-creator to toc] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL90cb3e12d81a
[21:27] <lynorian> I hope I didn't just break weblate
 what did you do now
[21:35] <lynorian> renamed a file because I typoed a file name
[22:02] <lynorian> meeting?
 I'm here.
[22:03] <apt-ghetto> hello
[22:07] <guiverc> it's friday - I'm stunned as didn't realize; I'm here thankfully by chance
[22:09] <kc2bez> wxl @tsimonq2 are you around?
 Here's my update guys: I'm waiting on Simon's commit approval for my latest changes to the Welcome Center since we will try to add css styling first before going button asset crazy. Otherwise I've been working on a Python webscraper for work and have been swamped with that and will most likely be able to continue Welcome Center ty
[22:12] <wxl> oh god the meeting. i've got a lot of balls in the air right now but i'm here
[22:12] <kc2bez> Thanks Sam.
[22:12] <kc2bez> wxl do you want to go real quick or no?
[22:13] <wxl> yeah k
[22:13] <wxl> so i did make a bunch of headway on some bug triage for once
[22:14] <wxl> i think we may have found the symptoms describing the issue with pcmanfm crashing in 18.04 but needs further confirmation before i can push upstream
[22:14] <wxl> still, that's exiciting because that's a real bugaboo
[22:14] <wxl> (random problems)
[22:15] <kc2bez> Nice!
[22:15] <wxl> also i'm sure ya'll noticed 18.04.2 was announced and then taken back because of a kernel issue
[22:15] <guiverc> :)   if I can help test wxl - please let me know
[22:15] <wxl> i still need to get a little more clarity on that but it's been hectic. this weekend i think it will help out a bit
[22:15] <wxl> guiverc: re: 18.04.2 i will once i have it figured out
[22:16] <wxl> we have an old sru that got dropped because we didn't test it.. some signals got crossed.. it's back up and needs testing again
[22:16] <wxl> that's bug 1786602
[22:16] <wxl> if people can test thta that would be great!
[22:18] <guiverc> wxl - will do
[22:18] <wxl> mmmm i think that's it
[22:19] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl, I can try to spin up a test too.
[22:19] <kc2bez> lynorian, do you want to go next?
[22:19] <lynorian> ok
[22:19] <lynorian> I have done a lot more work on the manual
[22:20] <wxl> i'd say it's almost getting boring because that's always what you're doing but it's so fantastic, it never does get boring XD
[22:20] <kc2bez> It is amazing!
[22:20] <lynorian> I did work on pcmanfm-qt prefrences
[22:20] <wxl> i love how i had a support request and i just dropped them a couple manual links and called it a day
[22:21] <lynorian> I also added lximage-qt prefrences and a screenshot
[22:21] <lynorian> a screenshot for pcmanfm-qt directory tree view
[22:22] <lynorian> oh and ipv4 settings on what nm-tray network information
[22:23] <lynorian> the settings for desktop slideshow tab
[22:23] <lynorian> some more things like memory of kcalc
[22:23] <lynorian> a bit more of discover and muon
[22:24] <wxl> wow
[22:24] <lynorian> and some more on qtermianl and that is all since Saturday
[22:25] <lynorian> and qterminal subterminal splitting after someone came in asked questions about terminator so added pcmanfm-qt equivlent features
[22:25] <kc2bez> That is excellent, it really is.
[22:26] <lynorian> that is all for this week but I was taking a needed break during last weeks meeting
[22:26] <lynorian> yes
 <wxl> you were saying about an easy bug to fix https://phab.lubuntu.me/T155 here. I can get started now. what should I do? You also mentioned about learning packaging.
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Provide complete mimeapps.list: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T155
[22:28] <kc2bez> Many thanks lynorian! wxl you still here?
[22:28] <lynorian> yes I am done though
[22:28] <wxl[m]> Let's talk after the meeting @The_LoudSpeaker
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> Let's talk after the meeting @The_LoudSpeaker], ohh. okay! I will be here only.
 Hi! I'm here
[22:29] <kc2bez> Gotcha @HMollerCl
[22:30] <kc2bez> apt-ghetto do you want to go?
[22:30] <apt-ghetto> ok
[22:30] <apt-ghetto> I had a look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/T178
[22:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Plymouth Logo centering: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T178
[22:30] <apt-ghetto> During the week Jyoti has tested the first version and now he has created an improved version. Tomorrow/Today I will test it and do the packaging.
[22:31] <apt-ghetto> Now, I don't know how to write the changelog, because he did the work. Is there an example?
[22:31] <apt-ghetto> And by the way, he has some problem to verify his email on phab
[22:32] <kc2bez> That would be @tsimonq2 ^
[22:33] <apt-ghetto> That's all from my side
[22:34] <kc2bez> Thanks apt-ghetto, probably check with wxl or tsimonq2 on the changelog thing too
[22:34] <apt-ghetto> Yeah, or write it directly into the task or into the wiki
[22:35] <kc2bez> Yup, off the cuff I guess you would be the author and you would give Jyoti a mention.
[22:36] <kc2bez> Verify with them though.
[22:37] <kc2bez> guiverc I think it is you next.
[22:37] <guiverc> nothing to say, but thanks
[22:37] <kc2bez> It is all good, thanks for being here.
[22:38] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl over to you.
 Ok, I'm on vacation this and next week so won't be able to do much
 However, my ongoing and his status are: ... - software-properties-qt waiting for wxl or @tsimonq2 review
[22:40] <wxl> tsimonq2 said he was going to get to that
 -update-notifier I need to test debconf, haven't found how to force one, if someone know how please tell me
 Libreoffice  filepicker
[22:41] <apt-ghetto> Isn't changing a config file something that requires an answer of the user?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Isn't changing a config file something that requires an answer of t …], That could be, but I don't know which/how
 I've only seen debconf on virtualbox update
 On libreoffice https://phab.lubuntu.me/T179
[22:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] libreoffice-kde5 doesn't add file extensions automatically: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T179
[22:45] <wxl> also apt-ghetto here's the info about patch guidelines https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[22:45] <apt-ghetto> thanks
 Lo 6.2 support an experimental qt5 vcl,  it is buggy. Kde5 vcl doesn't add file extension,  our best shot now is to use gtk3 vcl
 I want to change default icons to papirus (not dark) we had a lot of complains because of icon poorly showing in taskbar, that would change it. Not sure which branch to use.
 And I have some ideas regarding nm-tray I would like to discuss
 That would be from my side
 Sorry but I'm on my cellphone, not so nice to write into it
[22:49] <kc2bez> Thanks HMollerCl, understand the phone bit, that can be painful.
[22:50] <kc2bez> I guess that leaves me, unless there is something/someone else.
[22:52] <kc2bez> I submitted a fix for bug 1813687
[22:53] <kc2bez> apt-ghetto did a pull request and cleaned up the code so going forward it should be easier to patch.
[22:53] <kc2bez> We just need to make sure we patch it!
[22:53] <wxl> and that will have been your first official commit to the ubuntu repos
[22:53] <wxl> so congrats kc2bez !
[22:54] <kc2bez> Thanks! I had some help.
[22:54] <kc2bez> so thank you too.
[22:54] <wxl> np
[22:54] <wxl> if i can help you, you can better help us!
[22:55] <wxl> oh we need to bug @tsimonq2 to do the no-change rebuild on pcmanfm-qt
[22:55] <kc2bez> I can comment on the task.
[22:56] <wxl> i'll do it
[22:56] <wxl> and change the status of the bug
[22:56] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180
[22:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix trusted executables AGAIN: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180
[22:56] <wxl> BTW if anyone wants training on bug triage, i'd love to have some more people in bug control
[22:56] <wxl> anyone can join the bug squad but you have to kind of prove yourself to be able to change all the things
[22:57] <apt-ghetto> I am a member of the BugSquad
[22:57] <wxl> just fyi kc2bez if you had added (LP: #1813687) it would have automatically changed the status
[22:57] <wxl> (to the changelog entry)
[22:58] <kc2bez> I will remember that for next time, I think I used the link instead of the LP bit.
[22:58] <apt-ghetto> Is there also an automatism for the phab tasks in the changelog?
 Wxl: when I'm back from vacation I can help with 18.04 pcmanfm
 I've had the issue but never found consistency to reproduce
[23:01] <kc2bez> I also worked on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125 and https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165 which resolves bug 1801210
[23:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] The return of Desktop icons: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125
[23:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] use ascending sort order in pcmanfm-qt: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165
[23:03] <kc2bez> I tested https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170 and I think that can be closed. The new LXQt release should have fixed that.
[23:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] properly launch desktop entries in terminal: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170
[23:04] <kc2bez> I created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T181
[23:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Test LXQt 0.14.0 for bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T181
[23:04] <kc2bez> Test all the things!
[23:04] <wxl> apt-ghetto: tell me what you mean about automatism?
[23:04] <apt-ghetto> Like LP: #11111
[23:05] <apt-ghetto> That it is linked to the bug or task
[23:09] <kc2bez> wxl correct me if I am wrong but it should be able to do both if done right apt-ghetto.
[23:11] <apt-ghetto> Is it enough to write T180?
[23:11] <wxl> oh
[23:11] <wxl> i get it
[23:11] <wxl> to automatically closed phab
[23:11] <wxl> oh we could probably make something
[23:11] <wxl> question is do you mean in IRC or in the changelogs?
[23:12] <apt-ghetto> I like to have a link to all commits, that are related to a task
[23:13] <apt-ghetto> So if I look at some issue, then I can directly go to the commit and look at the changes
[23:14] <wxl> we need to be a little more precise with our language to avoid ambiguity here
[23:14] <wxl> when you say "some issue," do you mean a launchpad bug?
[23:14] <apt-ghetto> no, I mean a phab task
[23:14] <wxl> ah
[23:14] <wxl> so let's look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165
[23:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] use ascending sort order in pcmanfm-qt: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165
[23:15] <wxl> you'll notice that https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS0f8876a4ddc3415b9378aebf18e228107b9e22b6 is automatically linked
[23:16] <wxl> and if you care, it's also linked to the differential revision if you care to see what was involved in producing the final commit https://phab.lubuntu.me/D55
[23:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Summary: Set folder view sort ascending (LP: #11801210) T165. Set desktop shortcuts for home, computer, trash, network as default T125.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D55
[23:16] <apt-ghetto> Yes, but for example T159 doesn't have a link
[23:17] <apt-ghetto> But there is Differential D44
[23:17] <wxl> well no one mentioned it
[23:17] <wxl> you'll see that in those commits/revisions, T165 is mentioned
[23:17] <wxl> that's the connection
[23:17] <apt-ghetto> And that is because I didn't know to mention it in the commit message
[23:17] <wxl> even still, it doesn't automatically close them, but we could probably make something
[23:18] <wxl> ok, i'll add something to the packaging instructions
[23:18] <wxl> also mentioning the LP: # format
[23:18] <apt-ghetto> Closing should be done by a human
[23:18] <apt-ghetto> someone who has tested it
[23:18] <wxl> well, the LP: # format fix release/commits things
[23:18] <wxl> by the time we get to release/commits, it should have already been tested ideally
[23:19] <apt-ghetto> But some status changes would be nice, kind of: Open, In progress, Resolved, Verified etc
[23:19] <wxl> maybe we should open a task to discuss this? this might be a nice extra project e.g. for someone interested in python
[23:19] <apt-ghetto> Isn't Phabricator written in PHP?
[23:20] <wxl> sure
[23:20] <wxl> but no one wants to use php
[23:20] <wxl> like, no one
[23:20] <apt-ghetto> Yes, and I know why
[23:21] <wxl> XD
[23:21] <wxl> anywho, feel free to make a task. i like the idea
[23:21] <wxl> i just think we might need to hash it out a bit more
[23:22] <kc2bez> As far as testing things go, if someone else could check https://forum.lxqt.org/t/heightwhenhidden/606/7 to give another set of eyes on it. It worked for me as you can see in my comment above that.
[23:22] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[23:23] <wxl> thanks dan
[23:23] <wxl> so unless tsimonq2 wants to pop his head out of his dark, dark hole i think it's time to call it
[23:24] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl for all your help.
[23:24] <apt-ghetto> Can you recommend any launchpad site to start with bug triaging? Where you need some help?
[23:24] <wxl> ah ok
[23:24] <wxl> so couple things
[23:24] <wxl> actually maybe one. one sec
[23:25] <wxl> need to double check my work
[23:25] <wxl> yes good
[23:25] <wxl> it's all here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[23:26] <wxl> the first part discusses how/why to create bug reports and which applications are appropriate to which task (which is important as many bugs need to be better assigned)
[23:27] <apt-ghetto> I saw it. But I am looking for an overview page of all lubuntu-specific bugs on launchpad
[23:27] <wxl> the second part discusses triage, or making bugs better. it links to the bugsquad (which any one can join) and bugcontrol (the one you need to apply to; i can help you with that if need be) teams which are general to ubuntu
[23:27] <apt-ghetto> There are a couple of lubuntu and lxqt and lxde pages
[23:27] <apt-ghetto> and teams
[23:28] <wxl> generally if you look through the bugs of the lubuntu packages team that should get you what you want
[23:29] <wxl> i would also advise https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-packaging/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[23:29] <wxl> oops that was supposed to eb just the link
[23:29] <apt-ghetto> yes, exactly what i was looking for
[23:30] <wxl> i have to double check to make sure everything is correct, but at one time i created an app to make sure that team was subscribed to the entirety of the lubuntu packageset
[23:30] <wxl> i feel like something is missing, though
[23:32] <wxl> i guess that's something for another day XD
[23:32] <apt-ghetto> I started my meeting yesterday
[23:33] <wxl> hm?
[23:34] <wxl> guiverc_d et al here's another sru that needs verification https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1799855
[23:34] <apt-ghetto> I have another day: it is Friday now
[23:35] <wxl> oh hahahahah
[23:35] <wxl> ok well let's call it
 Hey! Is there something wrong with default apps management?  I downloaded two images now. One jpg and other png. Both of them opened in firefox when I clicked on them. And not in lximage. Also, I couldn't change my default browser. Nothing is shown except Firefox under session settings> default apps> browser.
[23:59] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: yes there's a bug


[01:18] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209138 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/ (10 files in 2 dirs) Not all sizes of the application-x-deb mimetype icon in KDE 4.6+ are appropriate for an application icon. To remedy this, take the other sizes from KDE 4.5 and install them in hicolor as muon.png
[01:19] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209139 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/muon.desktop Use the new "muon" icon we install to hicolor
[03:32] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209143 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/CategoryDrawer.cpp Play it safe and use the QModelIndex's data() function
[04:04] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209144 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/config/GeneralSettingsPage.cpp This layout is as good as I can get it, but at least simplify the code by using a QFormLayout
[08:23] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[08:23] <_Groo_> kubuntu-experimental is missing akonadi 1.4.90, and is breaking kdepim for maverick, akonadi cant start because of old akonadi-server
[08:23] <_Groo_> ence, kmail doesnt start for ex
[08:39] <_Groo_> also, beta ppa is missing kdenetwork 4.5.90, it still has 4.5.85a
[12:14] <droidslayer> \o
[12:15] <yofel> hey droidslayer
[12:17] <droidslayer> yofel: oh hai :-)
[12:47] <yofel> droidslayer: can you change the default encoding used by rekonq?
[12:53] <ari-tczew> hmm... I found a bug on natty - nvidia-settings is crashing if started from system menu
[12:53] <ari-tczew> from console works fine
[12:53] <ari-tczew> output of error: (nvidia-settings:2342): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_set_size_request: assertion `width >= -1' failed
[12:55] <yofel> doesn't crash here - natty
[12:55] <yofel> broken theme?
[12:56] <ari-tczew> yofel: my theme works fine and this is default kubuntu theme - I didn't change it since install kubuntu-desktop
[12:57] <yofel> well, I'm using oxygen-molecule as gtk theme here and nvidia settings works fine when started from the menu or krunner
[12:57] <ari-tczew> yofel: open kickoff (menu) -> look for nvidia-settings -> open it -> choice 'X Server Display Configuration'
[12:57] <ari-tczew> after click on a this second option, nvidia is crahsing
[12:58] <yofel> nope, doesn't crash
[12:59] <ari-tczew> yofel: on your system
[13:45] <droidslayer> maco: valorie  around ?
[13:45] <droidslayer> Any ideas if zareason ship to India?
[14:00] <Quintasan> \o
[14:01] <ari-tczew> o/
[14:01] <droidslayer> 'lo
[14:02] <maco> droidslayer: they ship anywhere in the world, afaik
[14:03] <droidslayer> Yeah I just read that :-P
[14:03] <droidslayer> Might be buying a Terra hd
[16:52] <freinhard> hi!
[17:12] <freinhard> 4.6rc1 breaks kaddressbooks?
[17:30] <skfin> KDE PIM is delayed, thats all I know
[17:31] <skfin> I dont know does that cause any conflicts
[17:46] <yofel> freinhard: breaks in what way?
[18:27] <skfin> yofel: As far as I remember there were a problem on upgrading with aptitude, want's to remove kaddressbook or holds everything
[18:27] <skfin> Or something
[18:31] <skfin> And apt-get holds
[18:32] <skfin> Because KDE PIM
[18:32] <skfin> On maverick, i mean
[18:43] <freinhard> right, aptitude can't handle the upgrade
[18:44] <freinhard> and kaddressbook is broken afterwards anyways, so neither of them is better ;)
[18:47] <skfin> Nah, they havent packaged everything yet so it doesnt want to upgrade just yet
[18:47] <skfin> Give some time to packagers
[18:48] <skfin> Hmm
[18:49] <skfin> Actually, it works now for me
[18:49] <skfin> Yesterday(or was it on 23th) it didnt work
[18:50] <skfin> But now it works
[18:51] <arpan> yeah, i am running kde 4.6 rc1 on maverick, upgraded yesterday and it works well except my login screen background is dark
[18:52] <arpan> and k3b say it can't find any optical drive as hal deamon is not running but hal is installed
[18:57] <shadeslayer> so ... plasma crash : http://paste.ubuntu.com/547570/
[18:57] <shadeslayer> more of a QGS crash tho
[19:00] <skfin> What is the name of the metapackage that contains devel tools for kde
[19:01] <skfin> It was kde-devel once but cant find it anymore
[19:02] <shadeslayer> skfin: kde-sc-devel
[19:02] <shadeslayer> but .. theres no kde-devel anymore
[19:02] <skfin> Thanks :P
[19:02] <skfin> Hmm
[19:02] <skfin> shadeslayer: Oh?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> apparently im supposed to bring it back ... but im too lazy ^_^
[19:03] <skfin> :S
[19:04] <skfin> Blah, and I dont remember what all should I have
[19:04] <shadeslayer> well
[19:05] <shadeslayer> use apt-get build-dep  ^_^
[19:05] <skfin> Lol
[19:05] <skfin> For wha
[19:05] <skfin> t
[19:06] <skfin> I want to do c++, qt and kdelibs
[19:06] <skfin> Like, code using them
[19:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:06] <shadeslayer> skfin: kdelibs5-dev libqt4-dev and build-essential
[19:06] <shadeslayer> install those packages
[19:07] <shadeslayer> skfin: also a IDE like KDevelop or QtCreator ...
[19:07] <skfin> Lol
[19:08] <skfin> I had kdelibs5-dev, libqt4-dev and build-essential already :P
[19:08] <skfin> I perfer KDevelop
[19:09] <shadeslayer> right .. your all set then :D
[19:09] <skfin> Yeah
[19:10] <skfin> And yes I had KDevelop already
[19:10] <skfin> Lol I had everything already
[19:10] <shadeslayer> kewl
[19:10] <skfin> Hmm
[19:10] <skfin> Seems like KDevelop has a way less templates than before
[19:12] <skfin> Or it is just me
[19:12] <shadeslayer> skfin: tried the one from the PPA
[19:13] <skfin> Nope, what PPA is it?
[19:14] <skfin> Actually, I dont even have much time
[19:14] <skfin> Need to work whole christmas, gci :P
[19:14] <skfin> And amarok insider
[19:14] <skfin> And interview of a developer
[19:15] <shadeslayer> skfin: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4.2-beta
[19:15] <shadeslayer> you'll just have to upgrade
[19:16] <skfin> Hmm
[19:16] <skfin> How I can add that to sources without kpackagekit?
[19:16] <skfin> Kpackagekit is not working very well atm
[19:16] <shadeslayer> skfin: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:foo
[19:16] <skfin> Oh yes, forgot that
[19:17] <skfin> Hmm I had that already
[19:18] <skfin> Is KDevelop 4.2 beta's version number 4.1.80?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> should be
[19:18] <skfin> Okay, then I have it
[19:18] <skfin> But still, only few templates
[19:19] <skfin> There are four templates
[19:20] <skfin> Is it for everybody else too?
[19:21] <skfin> Anyway, thanks a lot shadeslayer, I'll have to start working on my gci task
[19:21] <shadeslayer> sure no problem
[19:22] <shadeslayer> skfin: maybe they were split into a new package
[19:22] <skfin> I cant find any
[19:23] <skfin> Only kdevelop-php but I dont need that one :P
[19:23] <skfin> Well actually I need but not in this case
[19:24] <skfin> Haha: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8211975&postcount=3
[19:27] <skfin> Well, i dont need a template and there is a cmake command line application(hello world) which can be used for everything
[19:27] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:27] <shadeslayer> skfin: go complain in #kdevelop :P
[19:27] <skfin> Nah, I dont want
[19:28] <skfin> And as I said, I dont currently have time for that
[20:01]  * apachelogger has cold feet
[20:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: likewise
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/IT2oK.png
[20:03] <apachelogger> is it p0rn?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> yes .... no .... maybe ... you need to decode the Data Matrix first :P
[20:04] <apachelogger> dont want to
[20:05] <apachelogger> cannt you give me decoded stuff?
[20:05] <apachelogger> omg
[20:05] <apachelogger> xmas day
[20:05] <apachelogger> that means
[20:05] <shadeslayer> no ... i feel g33ky today
[20:05] <apachelogger> doctor who
[20:05] <apachelogger> does it not
[20:05] <apachelogger> omg omg omg
[20:05] <ulysses> oh, tomorrow Doctor Who \o/
[20:06] <shadeslayer> bah ... encoding is all messed up in KDE 4.5.90
[20:07] <sheytan> Hey :D
[20:07] <sheytan> a christmass idea for kubuntu
[20:07] <sheytan> do not put the release version (11.04) next to kubuntu logo in plymouth
[20:07] <sheytan> just leave "Kubuntu" :)
[20:08] <shadeslayer> now ... someone go comment on bug 694344
[20:08] <shadeslayer> iirc ulysses you had the same issue right?
[20:09] <ulysses> shadeslayer: yes
[20:09] <apachelogger> no background has the advantage of faster kdm startup!
[20:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no .. its slow as hell
[20:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: we do have the version next to it?
[20:09] <shadeslayer> even slower than KDE 4.5.4
[20:09] <apachelogger> oh
[20:10] <apachelogger> so they ported it to plasma?
[20:10] <apachelogger> :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
[20:10] <shadeslayer> i think so
[20:10] <shadeslayer> not sure
[20:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: in the "text mode" yes
[20:10] <sheytan> not sure about the normal mode
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh
[20:11]  * apachelogger does not care about the text mode since it only is used on systems with shit drivers and with shit drivers exerpience will suck anyway
[20:12] <sheytan> it's the KMS thing that doesn't work with nvidia, right?
[20:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: I think you should file a bug report about this against plymout (since that is a change that ought to be done in all versions of ubuntu, not just kubuntu)
[20:12] <apachelogger> not sure
[20:12] <apachelogger> it might just be that it does not support enough colors in KMS
[20:12] <apachelogger> some driver foobar anyway
[20:12] <ulysses> KMS sucks
[20:13] <apachelogger> no it does not
[20:13] <ulysses> due to kms my screen flashed in Lucid
[20:13] <shadeslayer> i have nvidia and for some reason on natty i have awesome res on my TTY
[20:13] <apachelogger> no
[20:13] <apachelogger> due to shit drivers & X it flashed
[20:14] <sheytan> will gstreamer be default for natty?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plasma kdm hasnt been merged yet ... so no .. its not plasma based :P
[20:16] <sheytan> shadeslayer is there somewhere a plasma-kdm based demo?
[20:16] <sheytan> or screenshots
[20:16] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you'll have to ask sreich
[20:17] <sheytan> will do
[20:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: encoding in KDE based web browsers are all messed up with KDE 4.5.90 .. any ideas?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> i.e konqueror and rekonq
[21:07] <apachelogger> did they drink too much eggnog?
[21:14] <whilo> can somebody help me and point out why building ktorrent trunk in my ppa does not resolve the dependeny to libktorrent in that ppa?
[21:14] <whilo> https://launchpad.net/~christian-weilbach/+archive/magneticlove/+build/2112385
[21:20] <apachelogger> maverick does not contain libktorrent-dev >=1.1*
[21:46] <whilo> apachelogger: but my ppa does and it says in the launchpad docs that it automatically pulls the dependency from the ppa when it is necessary
[21:47] <apachelogger> from the ppa itself
[21:47] <apachelogger> for that it needs to be in the ppa though ;)
[21:47] <apachelogger> ah
[21:47] <apachelogger> whilo: https://launchpad.net/~christian-weilbach/+archive/magneticlove/+packages
[21:47] <apachelogger> see the green cogwheels
[21:47] <apachelogger> those mean that the packages are not published yet
[21:48] <apachelogger> i.e. built but not available
[21:48] <apachelogger> usually takes between a second and 30 minutes I believe
[21:51] <Quintasan> or three days
[21:51] <Quintasan> LP magic
[21:52] <whilo> apachelogger: ok, i have disbled publishing since these packages are not really released yet and i am just testing the setup for the release
[21:53] <yofel> that will obviously not work since you need them published (LP magic strikes again)
[21:59] <apachelogger> whilo: that wont work
[21:59] <apachelogger> although
[21:59] <apachelogger> one can deactivate publishing?
[22:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: vHanda said he will attach a patch to the bug report (nepomuk crashes in RC1), which package it will go to? kdelibs?
[22:00] <whilo> apachelogger: yep, i didn't knew that this won't work so i am retrying now
[22:00] <apachelogger> whilo: btw, ~prebeta is actuall > ~beta :)
[22:00] <apachelogger> p>b
[22:00] <whilo> apachelogger: ok i thought that already, what should i use? git + date?
[22:01] <whilo> +git20101225 ?
[22:01] <apachelogger> +>~
[22:01] <apachelogger> whilo: ~beta0 for example
[22:01] <apachelogger> or previousversion+git$DATE
[22:02] <whilo> apachelogger:  the beta is not released yet
[22:02] <apachelogger> whilo: yeah, but beta0 < beta1 ;)
[22:02] <whilo> apachelogger: ok, but it breaks binary compatibility as it is a major release
[22:02] <apachelogger> usually for snapshots we just use the previousversion+git
[22:03] <whilo> apachelogger: ok
[22:03] <apachelogger> whilo: the package version has no impact on ABI
[22:03] <apachelogger> that is why the binary library package reflects the soname
[22:04] <whilo> ok
[22:04] <apachelogger> if the soversion gets bumped, the package name changes (that is if the soversion gets bumped at all which is usually not the case for snapshots, so that is a bit of a tricky thing to begin wiht ;))
[22:08] <apachelogger> doctor who \o/
[22:27] <Riddell> thanks Quintasan
[22:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: No probs, I will test the patch with out packaging tomorrow.\
[22:47] <whilo> apachelogger: if i am pushing now ~beta0, launchpad does not seem to build the uploaded packages. do i have to remove the old ones first?
[22:47] <apachelogger> yes
[22:48] <apachelogger> as p>b lp will not accept ~beta0
[22:48] <ari-tczew> after last updates to *.90, gtk apps looks like windows 95
[22:50] <whilo> apachelogger: dput tells me that the file has already been uploaded, is this ok? or do i have to force it somehow?
[22:50] <apachelogger> -f
[22:51] <yofel> ari-tczew: KDE is resetting my gtk style configuration on logout here too
[22:52] <yofel> hm, do we have oxygen-gtk in the repository?
[22:53] <whilo> apachelogger: ha, kubuntu will get 0day support for magnet:/ urls :-)
[22:54] <whilo> if only phonon would work, than you could use bangarang with streamloaded webvideos. this would definetly rock in a screencast
[22:54] <whilo> i could even load some rss feed, but i hope i can do that later
[22:55] <whilo> amarok sadly also drops remote urls and temporary loads them first :-(
[23:01] <whilo> apachelogger: is ~beta0~0ubuntu0~magneticlove~maverick1 a good candidate?
[23:19] <apachelogger> whilo: sounds good enough
[23:19] <apachelogger> whilo: btw, sandsmark suggested that he stumbled upon code in dragon that is ugly enough to cause problems
[23:20] <apachelogger> so it might not be a problem in phonon afterall
[23:20] <apachelogger> who knows
[23:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please have a glance at http://pastebin.com/tQ2HzPV3 and see if it seems sensible to you?  It builds on armel, which the current one doesn't.
[23:59] <apachelogger> looks good to me
[23:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: what was the build failure?


[02:30] <dendle> hi all, I am new to the group and am looking to work on Ubuntu documentation.  I have a long history of document writing (in work life) and would like to use these skills for the Ubuntu documentation set.  The BeginnersFAQ is a place where I could start.  Can someone please let me know if I can just jump straight in or is there a formal process for working on a document etc
[02:31] <dhillon-v10> dendle: welcome, well the first step will be to subscribe to the mailing list, we have been pretty active recently :)
[02:31] <dhillon-v10> dendle: then pick up a task from the TODO list (I'll get you the link) or work on the wikis
[02:33] <dhillon-v10> dendle: here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks?action=show&redirect=DocumentationTeam/Tasks
[02:34] <dendle> Dhillon: sweet thanks for this.  I have joined the mailing list, whew rather active.  I will check out the link you mentioned.
[02:36] <dhillon-v10> dendle: really ?? we usually get like 3 messages per day, and IMHO for a doc. based list that's pretty good, and in IRC if you want to type a nick type the first few characters and then press tab to get their complete nick
[02:37] <dendle> nice....be a while since I used IRC......will all come back though.....
[02:37] <dendle> dhillon-v10: opps
[02:37] <dhillon-v10> dendle: that's better :)
[02:40] <dhillon-v10> dendle: a first task could be reviewing docs. for simple mistakes, that's how starcraft-ntbk got me started, and then I moved on to writing me own docs :)
[02:40] <dhillon-v10> *my
[02:40] <starcraft-ntbk> dendle: a new doc recruit, yay
[02:41] <dhillon-v10> starcraft-ntbk: what's up :)
[02:41] <j1mc> die, ghelp links, die!
[02:42] <dhillon-v10> j1mc: lol, what if the links actually die would you feel bad
[02:43] <j1mc> i doubt it
[02:43] <dhillon-v10> j1mc: :)
[02:44] <j1mc> :)
[02:45] <dhillon-v10> j1mc: so how did the meeting turn out, I left after a while
[02:45] <j1mc> dhillon-v10: it was pretty productive, i think
[02:57] <dendle> starcraft-ntbk: hey there :)
[02:57]  * starcraft-ntbk gives wave.
[02:57] <dendle> dhillon-v10: reviewing docs sounds like a great idea....
[02:58] <starcraft-ntbk> dendle: see link I sent ya on getting started. Lots of good info on our homepage,nice and tidy.
[03:00] <dendle> starcraft-ntbk: coolness, will start looking there....
[03:00] <starcraft-ntbk> dendle: sure, I'm around for questions, but not right now..... hockey game starting!!!
[03:01] <dendle> starcraft-ntbk: np's chat later...
[03:01] <starcraft-ntbk> dendle: sure, if ya got any qs see any members on doc team here or wikifg listed on that page.
[03:01] <dhillon-v10> dendle: follow what starcraft-ntbk tells you closely, you slowly get better at it and then start taking on more responsibilities :)
[03:02] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10: oh you give me too much credit. Ya did a lot on your own :)
[03:02] <dhillon-v10> starcraft-ntbk: nah, you are too modest :)
[03:03] <starcraft-ntbk> hehe
[03:03] <dendle> dhillon-v10 / starcraft-ntbk: will follow my pseudo-master closely :)
[03:04] <starcraft-ntbk> well later folks, ping if theres anything important.
[03:04] <dhillon-v10> starcraft-ntbk: bye :)
[03:04] <dendle> starcraft-ntbk: chat later
[03:04] <dhillon-v10> dendle: if you don't have a specific task atm, you can start reviewing my work, I actually needed someone to review it anyways :)
[03:07] <dendle> dhillon-v10: that sounds like a good place to begin
[03:07] <dhillon-v10> dendle: how familiar are you with launchpad
[03:08] <dhillon-v10> shaunm: hi there :)
[03:30] <dendle> dhillon-v10: not very, however have used many svn based web reposotories before
[03:50] <dhillon-v10> dendle: sorry for the delay, working on something else, alright so here's my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~dhillon-v10/kubuntu-docs/dhillon-v10
[03:50] <dhillon-v10> dendle: in there go to the docs folder and start reviewing the contents I listed in the branch description :)
[03:50] <dhillon-v10> dendle: any questions ?
[03:55] <dendle> dhillon-v10: not yet, but I am sure there will be....he he....still bouncing between pool and computer so will look into the docs folder over the course of the afternoon
[15:37] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, what do you think about bug 510318 ?
[15:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510318 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!" (About Ubuntu) page contains encoding error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510318
[15:37] <Guest13559> Launchpad bug 510318 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!" (About Ubuntu) page contains encoding error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510318
[15:37] <Guest13559> Launchpad bug 510318 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!" (About Ubuntu) page contains encoding error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510318
[15:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510318 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!" (About Ubuntu) page contains encoding error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510318
[15:37] <ubot4> Guest13559: Bug 510318 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/510318 is private
[15:37] <Guest13559> ubot4: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510318 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!" (About Ubuntu) page contains encoding error" [Undecided,New]
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <Guest13559> Launchpad bug 510318 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) ""Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!" (About Ubuntu) page contains encoding error" [Undecided,New]
[15:38] <Guest13559> ubot4: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <Guest13559> ubot4: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <Guest13559> ubot4: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <Guest13559> ubot4: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <Guest13559> ubot4: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <Guest13559> ubot4: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:38] <ubot4> Guest13559: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
[15:38] <Rocket2DMn> riiiiiiight
[15:40] <jpds> Rocket2DMn: Err, sorry, my fault.
[15:40] <Rocket2DMn> lo np, just an extra ubot4 lying around :)
[15:41] <jpds> Yeah, and I can't seem to kill it.
[15:43] <jpds> bug 41231
[15:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 41231 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautillus freezes after opening a large sized sub-folder in a folder in the home directory (dup-of: 26198)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41231
[15:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 26198 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Nautilus Thumbnail creation freeze system" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26198
[15:43] <jpds> There we go.
[15:44] <Rocket2DMn> cool, thanks
[15:44] <Rocket2DMn> btw, why is it called ubot4 and not ubotu ?
[15:44] <jpds> Because it's a clone #4 of ubottu.
[15:44] <Rocket2DMn> ah, i see
[22:47] <fagan> any docbook people around?
[22:47] <fagan> I have a little problem
[22:48] <fagan> mdke: you around?
[22:49] <fagan> I need to have a < in the text of a doc
[22:49] <fagan> but it gives out an error
[22:50] <fagan> because its an unclosed tag not a string which is what I want
[22:55] <fagan> I think ill check the ascii table


[00:00] <Zenny_> how do I add Kde printer settings to Kubuntu ???
[00:01] <rohan> Zenny_: are you trying to add a new printer?
[00:01] <Zenny_> yes wireless ly
[00:02] <Zenny_> epson  wf-3540
[00:03] <Zenny_> it only works thru printer settings only       this version of kde does not have it   it only normal printer installs
[00:04] <Zenny_> meaning a usb port
[00:04] <rohan> what is "printer settings" Zenny_ ?
[00:05] <rohan> both KDE printer settings and Ubuntu printer settings are graphical frontends to CUPS
[00:06] <Zenny_> KDE on my Arch machine has 2 programs form KDE     Printer    and Printer Settings       Kubuntu has only Printer
[00:07] <Zenny_> Printing settings  allows for wireless
[00:08] <Zenny_> The KDE arch is more advance
[00:12] <Zenny_> Ok I'll just use the USB  Thanks for trying
[04:21] <ruuts> hello
[04:22] <ruuts> is there anybody out there?
[04:22] <ruuts> just nod if you can hear me
[05:58] <Ademos> Hello. How would I disable libnotify? I found the way to disable notify-osd, but not libnotify: http://askubuntu.com/questions/35815/shortcut-to-hide-libnotify
[05:59] <Ademos> The method on the webpage I linked didn't work, because notify-osd doesn't exist on my Kubuntu installation.
[06:16] <valorie> Ademos: you can't disable the notifications in systemsettings?
[06:17] <valorie> oh interesting, only network stuff
[06:20] <valorie> notify-osd can be installed if you want it
[06:20] <valorie> !infor notify-osd
[06:20] <Ademos> valorie: Well the issue is, that I want to disable notifications for GTK applications.
[06:20] <valorie> oops
[06:21] <valorie> !info notify-osd
[06:21] <Ademos> valorie: That is why I am trying to disable libnotify
[06:21] <valorie> right, but if you need the -osd package to do that, you can install it
[06:21] <valorie> it does seem like the long way around the barn
[06:21] <Ademos> valorie: Haha, I see.
[06:22] <valorie> kde has gotten rid of most notifications
[06:22] <valorie> I rarely see one anymore
[06:23] <Ademos> I thought that notify-osd and libnotify were two different applications. Is that true? My understanding was that libnotify was made by Gnome and notify-osd was made by Ubuntu.
[06:23] <Ademos> I already found this command for disabling notify-osd: sudo chmod -x /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd
[06:23] <valorie> I don't know; #ubuntu may know
[06:24] <Ademos> valorie: Well the problem is, Ubuntu replaced libnotify with notify-osd. So in #ubuntu, they will offer the same notify-osd advice.
[06:24] <Ademos> Anyway though, thank you for your efforts. :)
[06:25] <valorie> heh, all I gave you was sympathy
[06:25] <valorie> :-)
[06:25] <Ademos> Haha, well thank you for that.
[06:25] <valorie> you are welcome
[06:25] <Ademos> It seems I was wrong about the difference between the two: notify-osd is a daemon and libnotify is a library. Source: libnotify
[06:26] <Ademos> Whoops, here's the source: http://askubuntu.com/questions/51603/notify-osd-and-libnotify-how-do-they-cooperate
[06:26] <Ademos> What's strange is, I am using Kubuntu which doesn't install libnotify by default.
[06:26] <Ademos> So if I ask in #ubuntu, they will send me back to #kubuntu.
[06:26] <Ademos> But if notify-osd is not installed, then libnotify must be working without it.
[06:27] <Ademos> So I was asking in #kubuntu, since that is the distro I'm using and therefore would have the same set of default applications installed.
[06:27] <Ademos> But perhaps my question is too much of a niche topic. :X
[06:28] <Ademos> Well anyway, thanks for responding, even if you couldn't help.
[06:28] <Ademos> See you later. :)
[06:35] <Ademos> valorie: Since I answered my question, I thought I would tell you the solution I found: Right click the notificiation area (circle with an "i" within it), click "Notification settings and un-check "Application notifications."
[06:35] <Ademos> That was much easier than I expected, no need for bash terminal commands. :)
[06:36] <Ademos> valorie: Anyway, have a good day/night.
[06:38] <valorie> \o/
[06:38] <valorie> KDE is often so simple it's hard to believe
[07:02] <alvin> How do I prevent a service from starting at boot? (Samba for example. It's automatically installed when you install wine, but I don't need it to run.) I've read the Upstart documentation at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting and created a  /etc/init/samba.override file with the manual line in it. However, that absolutely does not work. The services keep starting at boot.
[07:02] <lordievader> alvin: Comment the "start on" clause in the upstart script.
[07:03] <alvin> That's just ugly
[07:03] <alvin> Oh well. Documentation is wrong, I take it?
[07:11] <alvin> Assuming to bug #94065 this should work, but I'm not convinced
[07:11] <lordievader> alvin: I believe you can use overrides, but I've never used those.
[07:12] <alvin> Well, I thought they didn't work, but I might be wrong. There were 2 services I didn't want to start at boot. samba and tor. Now Samba is actually not 1 service, but 2. (It changes from release to release....) smbd and nmbd. So, I should probably have made 2 .override files. Need to test. And tor? Well, tor does not seem to be an Upstart job.
[07:13] <alvin> This is a mess. Upstart has always been a mess and now it will never be fixed. We'll get the systemd mess. I'm sceptical.
[07:15] <alvin> Let's try
[07:19] <alvin> AHA. It is working now, BUT, during boot you can still see a process fail. According to the log, it's Starting SMB/CIFS File and Active Directory ServerESC[234G[ESC[31mfailESC[39;49m. Now, why would samba fail to start when I don't even start it?
[07:22] <TheFakeazneD525> I wonder...
[07:22] <TheFakeazneD525> what would happen if someone were to reimplement KDE-full in GTK
[07:22] <TheFakeazneD525> not that I like gtk
[07:23] <TheFakeazneD525> but still, the thought is interesting
[07:23] <TheFakeazneD525> Qt is better tho
[07:23] <alvin> I'm a bit behind the times. Samba is now 3 daemons.
[07:24] <TheFakeazneD525> huh
[10:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <ayr-ton> Hey there. The accentuation stopped to work in kubuntu 14.04 with gtk and some old kde apps, like yakuake. I searched a lot in google but without good results.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> ayr-ton, accentuation?
[12:11] <ayr-ton> BluesKaj, Yes. áéãúõ
[12:12] <BluesKaj> ayr-ton, sorry, not real familiar with those since English doesn't use many
[12:14] <BluesKaj> must be the language for your KB setup
[12:17] <BluesKaj> ayr-ton, and layouts in system settings>input devices>keyboard
[13:51] <benedict_> hi guys, how can i found out if a system is 32 or 64bit if i have only access to all partitions via live cd?
[13:55] <SunTsu> benedict_: just use file on any binary installed, it should tell you e.g. "ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64" or "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386"
[13:57] <benedict_> SunTsu: ahhhh thats very clever
[13:57] <benedict_> SunTsu: havent thought of that, thank you!
[14:17] <noaXess> hi all
[14:18] <noaXess> tehre are a lot of bugs filled about upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04.. i also can't do it... http://goo.gl/S6Gdvv
[14:18] <noaXess> anybody know how to fix?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> noaXess, don't forget to update and upgrade all packages, before upgrading the OS
[14:20] <BluesKaj> via internet
[14:20] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj
[14:20] <noaXess> have done that too.. also disabled all third party repos.. and so on.. check this bug i made https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1320684
[14:21] <noaXess> tried 2-3h for upgrading.. no fix found..
[14:23] <noaXess> BluesKaj: any other hint?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> noaXess,, looks like it's time for a clean install, backup your data to a another partition or dev....too many net upgrades accumulates low level bugs if you don't use auto-remove and autoclean periodically
[14:25] <noaXess> i use autremove/clean periodically....
[14:25] <noaXess> i don't want make a clean install..
[14:25] <noaXess> normaly i make updates over cli instead of muon updater..
[14:32] <BluesKaj> noaXess, the muon updater should be turned off then
[14:32] <BluesKaj> but I didn't have to turn it off here, so there's some other problem with it
[14:35] <noaXess> BluesKaj: have you made a upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> noaXess, yes
[14:38] <BluesKaj> but I upgraded before the official release
[14:38] <noaXess> hm.. what you see if you do this: grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[14:40] <BluesKaj> noaXess, there's no point, I'm already running 14.10
[14:40] <noaXess> hm..
[14:41] <BluesKaj> noaXess, why would i grep that anyway, i can just use the krunner
[14:45] <noaXess> ?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> krunner = alt +F2 /var/log etc
[15:28] <BluesKaj> noaXess,^
[16:48] <aljosa> i'm installing kubuntu 14.04 on imac w/ wireless keyboard from usb. bluetooth is requesting "trust and auth." but it doesn't remember it and keyboard is on/off in "manage bluetooth devices" in kde control module. any idea howto fix this so i can continue installation?
[17:46] <ComplaintsDept> hello all
[17:47] <lordievader> o/
[17:48] <ComplaintsDept> need some help regarding resizing windows on a kde netrunner, can anyone shed some light?
[20:20] <cihhan> Anyone using terminator? im having a small problem with terminator -- when I make it full screen, there is still empty places. i couldnt figure out why.
[20:39] <rberg_> every time i try and use terminator I find it crashes :( I stick to konsole and tmux.. I also set kwin to not draw borders around the konsole window
[22:35] <acpiorwhat> how can i format a floppy disk *without*  installing kfloppy?
[22:41] <acpiorwhat> are floppy disks supported by 14.04?


[08:00] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/os/pull/25
[08:01] <stickupkid> ta
[08:56] <stickupkid> manadart, focal is also esm - https://github.com/juju/os/pull/26
[12:55] <hml> stickupkid: review please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12113
[12:58] <stickupkid> hml, approved
[12:58] <hml> stickupkid: ta


[08:33] <alan_g> alf_: I'm not sure how to interpret this failure. Do you understand what's going on? https://mir-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/device-runtests-mir-testflinger/device_type=krillin,slave_type=manager/119/console
[08:33] <alf_> alan_g: looking
[08:40] <alf_> alan_g: a package update (unrelated to the device-runtests-mir-testflinger) was interrupted on jenkins manager leaving the packaging system in an inconsistent state, fixed now
[08:41] <alan_g> alf_: thanks. (I'll avoid asking how I could have worked that out in the hope that I'll never need to know.)
[09:58] <alan_g> alf_: same MP, different error (but testflinger infrastructure again I think) - https://mir-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/device-runtests-mir-testflinger/device_type=krillin,slave_type=manager/121/console
[10:04] <alf_> alan_g: seems like a transient network glitch, job after it runs fine
[10:05] <alan_g> alf_: OK, I hope it doesn't become common
[10:05] <alf_> alan_g: +1
[12:53] <alan_g> greyback: is your "NI" answered? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/client-initiates-user-move-and-resize/+merge/320917
[12:56] <greyback> alan_g: I've abstained, I've no objections
[12:56] <alan_g> greyback: ta
[13:52] <alan_g> alf_: sorry, but more CI strangeness: what is this? https://mir-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/generic-land-mp/1309/console
[13:53] <alan_g> Hmm, it actually merged at -r 4120
[13:53] <alan_g> ...and then failed to land.
[13:55] <alf_> alan_g: Yes, just ignore the failure. This is known issue that happens rarely. It's probably some kind of race in the jenkins-launchpad tools, but we haven't been able to track it down.
[13:55]  * alan_g adopts blissful ignorance
[13:56] <alf_> Zen in the art of CI
[14:01] <kdub> AlbertA, good morning! would it be easy for you to do a visual spot-check on lp:~kdub/mir/split-eglstream? Checked on my nvidia card and things seem to work as before, but with no output connected, I can't see that its working correctly
[14:01] <AlbertA> kdub: yeah I'll give it a spin
[14:02] <kdub> thanks AlbertA
[14:23] <AlbertA> kdub: mir_demo_server/mir_demo_client_fingerpaint worked fine here
[14:23] <kdub> AlbertA, thanks!


[00:56] <bluesabre> flocculant, thanks for your investigation
[00:56] <bluesabre> if we were to abandon light-locker, xs and gs could probably be patched to listen for lightdm's unlock
[06:56] <flocculant> bluesabre: from a purely 'if it breaks again' my vote would go with gs simply because someone else uses it ...
[08:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh right!  Reminder about the xfce icon theme?
[08:39] <ochosi> flocculant, bluesabre: someone else uses it, but it's just as unmaintained... (light-locker is also used by others btw)
[08:41] <Unit193> Yeah, but Ubuntu vs Lubuntu.
[08:44] <Unit193> https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnome-screensaver Hmm.
[09:19] <ochosi> ubuntu only uses it as fallback
[10:54] <bluesabre> ochosi, right, but it does not require vt-switching or depend on another application or api, which are the three problems we keep having
[10:56] <bluesabre> being dm-independent, it's also more xfce-like
[14:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: right, but there are not so many other DMs you can nicely use with xfce anyway (apart from slim or whatnot)... GDM iirc was tightly integrated with gnome3/shell, not sure about kdm but i guess it also carries a butt-load of qt depends
[14:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: anyway, i don't mind gnome-screensaver, just saying (what i noticed before, as i've been actively using it for a while): it has similar issues with wake-on-suspend and lid-switch
[16:58] <flocculant> ochosi: not really sure we should go on this - currently have head in sand :0
[17:06] <flocculant> ochosi: gdm and kdm > http://paste.ubuntu.com/23870031/
[17:07] <flocculant> or rather sddm as kdm has gone in zesty
[20:29] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, i'm not surprised
[20:40] <flocculant> ochosi: neither me :p
[20:41] <flocculant> slim doesn't look too bad - though it crashes without trace trying to lock that one :D
[20:42] <flocculant> so it only looked ok for a short while ...
[20:42] <flocculant> anyway not about too much tonight


[04:21] <mup> Bug #1724401 changed: cannot exit rescue mode <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724401>