[00:00] <Jucato> dunno. never seen it. and the Dolphin on KDE 3 (D3lphin) is limited and broken
[00:00] <BunnyRevolution> vistalite: add an engine
[00:01] <vistalite> BunnyRevolution:  engine?
[00:01] <BunnyRevolution> nm, i forgot what channel i was in and was not being nice
[00:01] <hellhound> is there a way to create a keyboard shortcut for the running processes like it shows in ksysguard?  I tried setting it to alt-ctrl-delete but it states that it could not run kdesu
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> hellhound: ctrl+esc ?
[00:02] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: ctrl+esc
[00:03] <hellhound> Odd-rationale: it brings up my kde start menu
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> hellhound: hmm strange...
[00:03] <JohnFlux> hellhound: kde3?
[00:04] <hellhound> JohnFlux: yes i believe so kubuntu 7.10
[00:04] <JohnFlux> hellhound: hmm, dunno ;-)
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> JohnFlux: ctrl+esc works for you?
[00:05] <SlimeyPete> hellhound: ctrl+esc should already do it
[00:05] <JohnFlux> Odd-rationale: works for me
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> works for me too
[00:06] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+esc has always worked for me
[00:06] <Jucato> hellhound: using Compiz or something?
[00:06] <hellhound> Jucato: yes i am
[00:06] <Jucato> there you have it folks :)
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> ah. no wonder...
[00:06] <hellhound> hummm opk?
[00:06] <kdedev> boo
[00:07] <kdedev> someone say hi
[00:07] <Jucato> hellhound: Compiz overrirdes KDE's/KWin's default shortcuts. so if some KDE shortcuts don't work, you know who's the culprit
[00:07] <Jucato> kdedev: hm?
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> someone needs to come up with a kompiz - compiz-fusion for kde. Or make kwin capabel of the cube effect... :)
[00:07] <kdedev> Jucato: it's johflux.  i'm fighting with recordmydesktop
[00:08] <Jucato> kdedev: hahaha
[00:08] <hellhound> Odd-rationale: i completely agree... i love the program but almost everything is affected by it
[00:08] <kdedev> it keeps crashing :(
[00:08] <Jucato> Odd-rationale: someone just needs to write the plugin for KWin
[00:08] <Jucato> (just like that coverflow-like plugin or somethign)
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> Jucato: I wonder how long it would take for someone to do that...
[00:09] <Jucato> depends I guess... on motivation, free time, etc...
[00:09]  * Jucato doesn't mind... likes the "Desktop Wall" (Present Desktops?) effect better
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> Jucato: on kde4?
[00:10] <Jucato> yeah
[00:10] <kdedev> yep
[00:10] <Jucato> to me it's fancy yet more functional than a <insert polygon here>
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> there is a coverflow plugin for 4.1
[00:11] <Odd-rationale> I can't wait till kde4 is stable enough for me... I tried it, i tried to like 4.0...
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> for the current windows
[00:11] <Jucato> it's stable... but there's a difference between stable and "feature complete/parity"
[00:11]  * Jucato boots up his ubuntu laptop... there was an effect he liked...
[00:12] <Odd-rationale> What is the coverflow plugin?
[00:13] <nosrednaekim> you know what coverflow is?
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: i think so... :?
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> well, you can do the same thing to your open windows in kde 4.1
[00:15] <Jucato> I maybe wrong... it wasn't cover flow but Flip Switch: http://www.commit-digest.org/issues/2008-01-27/
[00:15] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: unless you know of a separate coverflow plugin
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> yeah... they probably called it that because "coverflow" would infringe on apple
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> its the same thing though :P
[00:17] <Jucato> nah, Trolltech has some coverflow thingy I think
[00:18] <Jucato> ah wait, they call it Picture Flow
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> PictureFlow but that Apaku guy
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> *by
[00:19] <Jucato> Ariya Hidayat
[00:20] <vistalite> Jucato:  you like osx?
[00:20] <Jucato> haven't used it
[00:20] <vistalite> me niether
[00:21] <vistalite> is there a way to boot really fast into xp from kubuntu
[00:21] <vistalite> for when i want to play a game
[00:21] <vistalite> like less than 1 minute would be nice :)
[00:21] <kdedev> :)
[00:22] <vistalite> if only kubuntu had gaming like xp i would never have to use xp ever again
[00:22] <vistalite> but i have an ati card
[00:22] <vistalite> so i am forced
[00:22] <vistalite> to run xp
[00:22] <Daisuke_Ido> not for much longer
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> and no one is forced to use anything
[00:23] <nick_> vistalite:  use cedega
[00:23] <vistalite> what do you mean Daisuke_Ido?
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> you choose to game, which makes using xp your choice :)
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> vistalite, the drivers are getting better for ati cards
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> vistalite: Why not give up your game for freedom? a greater cause :)
[00:23] <vistalite> nick_ i looked into cedega the game i play most pro evolution soccer 6 doesnt run in cedega
[00:23] <Darkrift2> ok, how do i exit X? when i ctrl_alt_backspace it restarts. I need to close X to install my new nvidia drivers :S
[00:23] <nick_> vistalite:  soccer lol yeah i know
[00:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkrift2, ctrl+ alt+ f1, login there, and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift2: "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[00:24] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: ask whether he's using gdm or kdm first :P
[00:24] <Daisuke_Ido> wine's light years ahead of cedega by this point
[00:25] <nick_> what app can open .iso
[00:25] <Jucato> !iso
[00:25] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:27] <billygotshot> how do i burn a cd?
[00:28] <billygotshot> i want to put a .iso on a cd
[00:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !k3b | billygotshot
[00:28] <ubotu> billygotshot: k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[00:28] <sourcemaker> I have installed the current hardy beta version... now I have the problem... that the KDE session crashs very often and kdm restarts... is this a known problem?
[00:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll want the option "burn cd image"
[00:28] <Darkrift2> ok, ctrl_alt_f1 kinda didnt work :S
[00:28] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot,  you can right click and select burn image
[00:28] <Darkrift2> i got a black screen for a few minutes with nothing cept a blinking cursor
[00:29] <billygotshot> sorry its a .img. I tried renaming it to .iso to burn it but that did not work
[00:30] <Jucato> sourcemaker: #ubuntu+1 for hardy questions
[00:30] <sourcemaker> Jucato: ok
[00:30] <billygotshot> also whenever i try to install the rpm or whatever (im completely new to this) i get to the point where it asks if i want to continue and i say yes "Y" then it does nothing.
[00:31] <sourcemaker> Jucato: does the kde meta package contains all kde components? (kdebase,kdegames,kdeutiles,kdedevelop...)
[00:31] <Jucato> sourcemaker: yes (if you mean the "kde" metapackage)
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> billygotshot: don't use rpm with kubuntu.
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> billygotshot: use .deb
[00:31] <billygotshot> o ok
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> !rpm
[00:31] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[00:31] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, .debs are easier than windows installation wizards
[00:33] <billygotshot> well I am trying to install nerolinux but it is a .rpm file
[00:33] <nosrednaekim> thats not exactly true.... ubuntu uses dpkg, not RPM
[00:33] <nosrednaekim> !alien
[00:33] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[00:33] <billygotshot> well yeah i cant install the alien package
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> In windows it is like, "I need to buy a separate cd for every software I install?!"
[00:33] <billygotshot> it just stops
[00:34] <Odd-rationale> billygotshot: doesnt nero linux offer .debs or a deb repo?
[00:34] <daiana> #ubuntu-es
[00:35] <nonewmsgs> does linux nero support subchannel data
[00:36] <billygotshot> yes i think it does
[00:39] <billygotshot> can i convert .rpm to .deb?
[00:39] <DarkriftX> ok, killing kdm gives me the blank screen also
[00:39] <DarkriftX> how do i kill X and get a prompt :S
[00:39] <adude> what program can i use to play wma?
[00:40] <nonewmsgs> adude, they should all play wma
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> adude: kaffeine ?
[00:40] <nick__> billygotshot:  www.nero.com
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> adude: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[00:40] <adude> no
[00:40] <nick__> billygotshot:  product nerolinux and he have a .deb there
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> adude: you might need it
[00:41] <adude> where do i get that
[00:41] <nonewmsgs> why are there 3 sets of restricted extras?  is there a difference between ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras and xubuntu....?
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> adude: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> nonewmsgs: yes.
[00:42] <adude> yea i found it
[00:42] <adude> thanks Odd-rationale
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> adude: consider converting it to ogg. Live free!
[00:43] <nonewmsgs> adude, i would not recomend transcoding
[00:43] <adude> do i need a program to convert it to ogg?
[00:43] <nonewmsgs> adude, although ogg is high quality and much more free, there will be a loss of quality
[00:44] <nonewmsgs> adude, for any lossy to lossy transcoding
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> nonewmsgs: True.
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> I have ended up reripping my entirecd collection...
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> this time to flac
[00:45] <billygotshot> alright i downloaded the deb and opened it with the package installer and it is giving me Error: Wrong architexture 'i836'
[00:45] <adude> if i can just play wma i will be fine
[00:45] <billygotshot> and it won't let me install
[00:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i feel like such a retard when dealing with bash
[00:45] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, do a sudo apt-get install k3b and try that
[00:46] <adude> my mp3 player won't play ogg :(
[00:46] <nonewmsgs> adude, that's a common problem too
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> adude: ah. that is a big problem
[00:46] <billygotshot> I already have k3b installed
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> adude: Some day ogg and flac will be the standard! :)
[00:46] <nonewmsgs> you dont like the k3b
[00:46] <billygotshot> How do I burn a .img in k3b then?
[00:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Odd-rationale, keep dreaming :)
[00:47] <adude> i should install linux on my mp3 player :)
[00:47] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, the problem 99% of the time is the upperlowercase doesnt match in the one file
[00:47] <billygotshot> ok?
[00:47] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, there are usually 2 files one small text one and one butn
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> nonewmsgs, no, in this case, it's probably a windows game that he got from some torrent, where the yahoo that posted it used clonecd instead of something sensible.
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> which is fine
[00:48] <billygotshot> no its not?
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> that works too
[00:48] <billygotshot> its windows xp that i am going to use as a duel boot
[00:48] <billygotshot> for games
[00:48] <billygotshot> instead of playing it through wine
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> so i was close :)
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> but anyway
[00:49] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, in the folder you downloaded it there should be 2 files an img and another one right?
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> in k3b, burn image file.  change the filter to all files
[00:49] <billygotshot> there are 3 files
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> select the img file
[00:49] <billygotshot> ok
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> and k3b is going to complain that it's not an iso9660 image, but it will still do the md5sum
[00:49] <nonewmsgs> Daisuke_Ido, he needs to make sure the ucase is correct.  windows users never do that right
[00:50] <matt123> Hi!
[00:50] <billygotshot> it says could not open the document
[00:50] <Daisuke_Ido> nonewmsgs, i seriously doubt it in this case.  it's an img, which k3b doesn't like by default
[00:50] <BluesKaj> billygotshot, normally *.img files will burn as ISO's on K3B , not always but if you have RW media , that's the best way to test it. Some times just remnaming the file extension to *.iso works too
[00:50] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm, try nonewmsgs' suggestion
[00:51] <billygotshot> well i will try renaiming it to .iso
[00:51] <billygotshot> what about the 2 other files though
[00:51] <billygotshot> just leave them?
[00:51] <nonewmsgs> no no
[00:51] <nonewmsgs> one file is the instructions to burn the img
[00:51] <billygotshot> lol If i change the name to .iso it says it seems not to be a usable image
[00:52] <billygotshot> ill try anyways
[00:52] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, what are the file extensions
[00:52] <BluesKaj> billygotshot, try burning as a data file
[00:52] <matt123> just installed hardy kde4 - but the control panel is missing - what package do I need?
[00:53] <artfullylost> Whenever I try to update using adept, it says "failed to update : Perhaps downloads failed or would break commit". Any ideas?
[00:53] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, cue file
[00:53] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, open the cue file
[00:53] <billygotshot> it says it is not a valid iso file should i continue anyways
[00:53] <billygotshot> there is a .ccd .sub and .img file
[00:53] <billygotshot> not .cue
[00:53] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, no do not continue.  open the cue file with a text editor
[00:54] <DarkriftX> ctrl-alt-f2 gives same screen
[00:54] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, ccd?
[00:54] <billygotshot> it opens with a text editor
[00:54] <billygotshot> and yes .ccd
[00:54] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, make sure it has the exact uppercase as the img as well as the sub and all file names are identical like that
[00:54] <billygotshot> they are
[00:54] <artfullylost> Also, further to the problem above, afterwords, I get sigbert 6 errors and adept is unusable.
[00:55] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, then select burn image from k3b and selet the cue file
[00:55] <nonewmsgs> ccd
[00:57] <billygotshot> hmm
[00:57] <_myrtille_> artfullylost: I'm no pro either, but did you check your sources.list? Maybe the list is incopmlete/broken?
[00:59] <artfullylost> _myrtille_ : Could be the problem, but I checked all of the sources, and it doesn't explain why I can now only load adept in read-only mode.
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i am completely hosed here...
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> what is wrong with the following?
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> if [ $1 = "-m" ]
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> in bash, shouldn't that check to see if the first argument passed is -m ?
[01:01] <billygotshot> ok
[01:01] <billygotshot> it says it is not a usable image
[01:01] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, change all the names to something like xp
[01:01] <billygotshot> ok
[01:02] <sl4mm3r> hey..
[01:02] <billygotshot> still says the same thing
[01:03] <sl4mm3r> is there  a simple graphics program like paint.. where cutting/pasting certain parts of the image is fairlyeasy
[01:03] <DarkriftX> what package contains agetty?
[01:03] <DarkriftX> google isnt much help righ tnow
[01:03] <billygotshot> should i change the .img to .iso
[01:03] <billygotshot> ?
[01:03] <sl4mm3r> i've tried krita and gimp.. and i can't seem to cut and paste properly .. i don't feel like using layers for each "object" ..since i am cutting and pasting different parts of objects quite frequently
[01:03] <_myrtille_> artfullylost: ok... i just took a long shot. ;) You know aptitude /apt-get ? Are they returning the same errormessage?
[01:04] <_myrtille_> if not try running sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <sl4mm3r> also gimps mouse over help toolboxes aren't display text.. any ideas?
[01:07] <billygotshot> how do i install a .deb file........
[01:07] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, got THAT fixed, is it proper to use nested ifs in bash?
[01:07] <ForgeAus> Daisuke sure
[01:08] <ForgeAus> you see it in scripts all the time
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: I don't see why you shouldn't be able to
[01:08] <ForgeAus> nested ifs/cases and so on
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i wasn't sure
[01:08] <ForgeAus> join #Bash
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i know it works, just didn't know if it was proper form :D
[01:08] <ForgeAus> oops forgot the /
[01:08] <sl4mm3r> billygotshot: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[01:09] <sl4mm3r> or right click install with gdeb-manager or whatnot
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i just threw together a quick and dirty script for mounting ISOs for the terminally challenged.
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> terminally challanged
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> hahaha
[01:10] <ForgeAus> rofl :)
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> )e_
[01:10] <jcgkffycs> what is the marker to add to an fstab entry to mount it as read only?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: nice:)
[01:10] <ForgeAus> terminally challenged sounds like me :)
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> i am artistically challanged... :(  how do i cut and paste selected areas of my graphics
[01:11] <sl4mm3r> i am just challenged.. sigh
[01:11] <ForgeAus> (as in I generally take the GUI option if one I know of is available)
[01:11] <vit> hello
[01:11] <billygotshot> i feel like a idiot now.. I just realized i downloaded a 32bit nerolinux when i am using a 64bit system
[01:11] <ForgeAus> hey vit :)
[01:12] <ForgeAus> billygotshot it should work
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61432/
[01:12] <billygotshot> but it doesnt
[01:12] <billygotshot> so ill try the 64 bit
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it *works* but when mounting (and the mountpoint doesn't exist) it gives the following error:
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> [: 31: iso: unexpected operator
[01:12] <ForgeAus> most 32 bit stuff works in a 64bit environment, there is, or at least was, some kinda trouble with adobe flash, but other than that most stuff works
[01:12] <milian-laptop> nabend
[01:13] <vit> alguien que hable español
[01:13] <ForgeAus> but then yeah if theres a 64-bit option available your probably better to go with it
[01:13] <billygotshot> key word is most there =\
[01:13] <_myrtille_> !es
[01:13] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim, can i convince you to take a quick look at that paste and tell me what i'm screwing up?
[01:13] <billygotshot> see now it works fine :)
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: I don't know BASH
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> too bad intelikey isn't here
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> well, feel free to steal and use it :F
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> :D even
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> it does work
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: watch the language here ;)
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> just that one little pesky error
[01:15] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, which error?
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> i use steal in a colloquial sense, it's GPL, though it doesn't say that yet
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> [: 31: iso: unexpected operator
[01:16] <billygotshot> could i rename a .img file to .iso and burn it?
[01:16] <sl4mm3r> am i missing a package..  the toolbox help text isn't displaying
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> billygotshot, in theory
[01:16] <sl4mm3r> mouse over
[01:16] <billygotshot> So there is a slight possibility of it not working?
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> NickPresta, or can you see perhaps a more elegant way of doing that?
[01:20] <MilitantPotato> Can you burn the Live CD to a DVD?
[01:21] <adude> when i get into adept installer is says a process is using the system packaging database how can get past that
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix | adude
[01:21] <ubotu> adude: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:22] <MilitantPotato> Can the live CD be used if it's burned to a DVD?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: I think so
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't see why not
[01:22] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, hmm. I don't get any error(s) when I mount/unmount. I removed the sudo commands from the script and executed the script with sudo directly (You can check the uid before hand and alert the user to use sudo if you wish).
[01:22] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll let the guy know
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> no errors when you mount (and the mountpoint doesn't exist)?
[01:23] <TOMX> Hellooo
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> now i just have to figure out how to check UID :D
[01:24] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://pastebin.ca/961640
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[01:25] <TOMX> I seem to be having a problem with Kubuntu.. I'm trying to launch applications like firefox..Window Wireless Drivers and it they just close :s
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> -u doesn't need an additional parameter though, it just unmounts /media/iso
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> but thanks
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe something's just screwed on my end
[01:26] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=479255
[01:26] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, I have /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash instead of dash. That may be the difference?
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm, i don't know if i ever changed mine
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> /usr/bin/imount: line 10: [: =: unary operator expected
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> changing to bash gives me at least a more useful error
[01:29] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://pastebin.ca/961645 runs fine here.
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> that's two copies nested :)
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> but i see what you mean
[01:31] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, try running: `sudo bash -x mountiso -m ISO.iso` and `sudo bash -x mountiso -u` to see what is going on and where/why it fails
[01:33] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. any suggestions?
[01:33] <dthacker> Hi.  I have a new IDE hard drive attached via a USB enclosure.  I've created one linux partition on the new drive, and I'd like to format it for ext3, but parted says it doesn't support it.  How should I accomplish the format?
[01:34] <siso> I have a video related question as well (sort of)...libdvdcss is not showing up in my Adept file list...any idea what that's all about?
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> http://pastebin.ca/961652 < output
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like it's fine
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> removing sudo and putting in a uid check worked brilliantly
[01:36] <siso> ??
[01:36] <tomahasamoot> I've just installed, and updated kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64, and kdesu isn't working... if I want to use adept_manager, or systemsettings, I have to run them with sudo from a terminal... I tried reinstalling kdesudo, but it didn't help
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> NickPresta, i appreciate your help on this.  i think i can call this my first real script (the one this replaces were three and two liners that depended on the mount point being there in the first place)
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> !medibuntu | siso
[01:37] <ubotu> siso: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[01:37] <siso> ok yeah, I know about that....I forgot that when I installed feisty over dapper that I didn't put medibuntu back in my repositories
[01:38] <siso> thanks daisuke
[01:38] <dthacker> !+1
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <dthacker> tomahasamoot: try #ubuntu+1 for hardy support.
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> siso, you're welcome
[01:40] <DarkriftX> ok
[01:40] <DarkriftX> there MUST be a way to kill x and not lock up
[01:40] <DarkriftX> nobody here knows how to kill X and get a prompt in kubuntu 7.10?
[01:41] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX:  ctrl + F1
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> DarkriftX: you can boot recovery mode
[01:41] <DarkriftX> that gives me a black screen with nothing
[01:41] <DarkriftX> recovery mode wont let me install nvidia drivers, needs run level 3
[01:41] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: it has always given me a prompt
[01:41] <billygotshot> anyone know why the burn process stopped at 99%?
[01:42] <DarkriftX> i get a black screen with a flashing cursor, no prompt and typing doesnt show any text. only way out of it is ctrl-alt-del
[01:42] <rom> hi
[01:42] <jmichaelx> this is odd, my internet appears to be down, but i am still able to chat in here
[01:42] <DarkriftX> jmichaelx, i was getting that for over a month in vista
[01:42] <alexis_> hola alguien de argentina?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkriftX, ctrl+alt+2 the?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> then*
[01:43] <DarkriftX> http was down, but all other internet access worked fine
[01:43] <jmichaelx> funny
[01:43] <DarkriftX> http/ftp were down*
[01:43] <DarkriftX> with all browsers
[01:43] <DarkriftX> i either had to reboot, or wait about an hour for it to fix itself
[01:43] <rom> since ksynaptic has been removed from repositories, what software can I use for configuring my touchpad?
[01:43] <jmichaelx> yeah, i just tried opera and FF
[01:43] <DarkriftX> tried that also Daisuke_Ido
[01:43] <jmichaelx> hmm, i dunno if i have to reboot or what
[01:43] <DarkriftX> jmichaelx, when it was like that, if i tried to connect to a NEW irc server, id get dns errors about sockets in use
[01:44] <DarkriftX> maybe that will help you :)
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ty
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ok http is working again
[01:44] <DarkriftX> heh
[01:44] <jmichaelx> i think it's just the FBI watching me
[01:44]  * DarkriftX quits fast (lol)
[01:44] <aobo> Hi guys how do I install nvidia driver for kubuntu?
[01:45] <jmichaelx> well, that is just one of the more exciting possibilities
[01:45] <aobo> and how do i see which bit am i using? 32bit or 64bit
[01:45] <DarkriftX> aobo, download it from nvidia's site then run it (you have to kill X, which im unable to do)
[01:45] <aobo> kill X?
[01:45] <DarkriftX> heh
[01:45] <DarkriftX> yeah, dont ask how
[01:45] <DarkriftX> the drivers wont install with X running
[01:45] <aobo> whats Kill X
[01:45] <rom> since ksynaptic has been removed from repositories, what software can I use for configuring my touchpad?
[01:45] <DarkriftX> wow
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> well of course.  everyone knows that open source software leads to the Big T
[01:45] <DarkriftX> X is your gui
[01:46] <jmichaelx> have either of you ever considered using 'envy'? that's what i did
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !envy
[01:46] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[01:46] <DarkriftX> be carefull
[01:46] <siso> Darkrift, the other guy up there meant ctrl+alt+F1 to get to the terminal, I think
[01:46] <siso> But I don't think that actually kills X
[01:46] <DarkriftX> i know siso  ive tried that
[01:46] <siso> ok...just making sure
[01:46] <jmichaelx> ctrl-alt-F1, yes.... and it does kill X
[01:46] <aobo> im lost. so what do i do
[01:46] <DarkriftX> it gives me a black screen with flashing cursor and nothing works except ctrl-alt-del
[01:46] <siso> oh does it?
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> jmichaelx, dropping to a TTY doesn't kill x
[01:46] <jmichaelx> it is supposed to kill X
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[01:47] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: ok, gotcha
[01:47] <siso> thanks daisuke....I'm not crazy then
[01:47] <matt__> you know how konsole (yakuake, etc) keep a log of the commands you run? How can I disable this? As well as (perhaps) disabling (all?) loggin of such stuff. for like, security reasons
[01:47] <DarkriftX> it doesnt even give me a prompt
[01:47] <siso> yay!!!
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> you can ctrl+alt+f7 to get right back in :)
[01:47] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: ty for the correction
[01:47] <siso> right :)
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> no worries :)
[01:47] <DarkriftX> aobo, im trying to figure that out also
[01:48] <DarkriftX> ive downloaded the installer, but im unable to "close" (kill) X (the gui)
[01:48] <aobo> okay.
[01:48] <DarkriftX> which is required to install the drivers
[01:48] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: when kdm starts, can't you just choose a terminal session?
[01:48] <aobo> im trying adept manager right now
[01:48] <DarkriftX> you can use the ones that are built in, but ive never gotten those to work
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it still starts the x server
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkriftX, "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" doesn't do it for you?
[01:49] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: i guess my mind is just not in gear, i have installed nvidia and ati drivers many, many time
[01:49] <jmichaelx> times*
[01:49] <DarkriftX> to try the default ones, go to Kmenu>system settings>Advanced tab>restricted drivers and enable the nvidia drivers
[01:49] <DarkriftX> but be warned
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> jmichaelx, i just install them from the repos
[01:49] <DarkriftX> it NEVER works for me
[01:49] <robinson> test
[01:49] <DarkriftX> and Daisuke_Ido that didnt work for me either
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never had an issue with the nvidia drivers in the RDM
[01:50] <DarkriftX> gave me same result
[01:50] <aobo> okay i wish this is just like windows XP . install drivers and it will override the default one
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> wow...
[01:50] <DarkriftX> im glad to hear this isnt default behavior
[01:50] <aobo> im in Adept Manager. and typed in nvidia and cameup with lots
[01:50] <DarkriftX> so i have something messed up
[01:50] <DarkriftX> what could cause me not to be able to change tty
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> ohhhh
[01:51] <jmichaelx> i use several different distros, and have usually had no problems with getting nvidia drivers installed. i usually just get the driver from the nvidia site.
[01:51] <DarkriftX> the ones on the website worked for me before
[01:51] <jmichaelx> i'm pretty sure i just ctrl-alt-f1 to do the dirty work
[01:51] <DarkriftX> but ive tried the built in ones about 5x now
[01:51] <tomahasamoot> dthacker: thanx
[01:52] <DarkriftX> they always leave me at a black screen unable to login and i have to change back to nv
[01:52] <leo_rockw> hello #kubuntu
[01:52] <jmichaelx> hmm
[01:52] <aobo> how do i see which nvidia card i have?
[01:52] <aobo> like hardware info.
[01:52] <DarkriftX> i dont know how i got the drivers from the site working last time
[01:52] <jmichaelx> type 'lspci'
[01:52] <aobo> okay
[01:52] <DarkriftX> im sure this problem im having getting to a different tty must be a new problem
[01:52] <aobo> thanks jmichaelx
[01:53] <jmichaelx> aobo: np
[01:53] <aobo>  VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP                               8x]
[01:53] <aobo> do i just go find the driver on the official website now?
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, you want nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> from the repos
[01:54] <matt__> you know how konsole (yakuake, etc) keep a log of the commands you run? How can I disable this? As well as (perhaps) disabling (all?) loggin of such stuff. for like, security reasons
[01:54] <aobo> cool thanks
[01:54] <aobo> here goes. waiting for it to install
[01:54] <jmichaelx> i think i have a PC with that card, but PCI instead of PCI
[01:54] <aobo> :S
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> matt__: yeah.... you can disable bash history
[01:54] <jmichaelx> instead of AGP*
[01:54] <aobo> i have XP running
[01:55] <aobo> its PCI card
[01:55] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:55] <aobo> dual OS
[01:55] <jmichaelx> i have vectorlinux on that old box
[01:55] <prince_jammys> matt__: it's not Konsole that does this. it's bash
[01:55] <aobo> now what do i do?
[01:55] <aobo> got the glx-legacy in
[01:55] <jmichaelx> aobo: just apt-get install it
[01:56] <aobo> i did
[01:56] <jmichaelx> restart x
[01:56] <aobo> oh
[01:56] <aobo> restart x or restart the whole computer?
[01:56] <aobo> and whats x again?
[01:56] <jmichaelx> aobo: you should just be able to restart X, ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:57] <aobo> honestly i dont see any difference
[01:57] <aobo> :S
[01:58] <jmichaelx> aobo: you may need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:58] <aobo> i went in system settings in k menu and monitor and display and the card is still not in the list
[01:58] <jmichaelx> you should at least have accel. 3D if the driver is working
[01:58] <aobo> hmmm
[01:58] <aobo> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:58] <jmichaelx> yep
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, glkinfo | grep direct
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, glxinfo | grep direct
[01:59] <aobo> ?
[01:59] <aobo> :S
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> change the k to an x, i can't type
[01:59] <adude> what program can i use for remote desktop connection
[01:59] <leo_rockw> adude: krdc
[02:00] <aobo> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[02:00] <leo_rockw> adude: k remote desktop connection :-P
[02:00] <aobo> thats with the glxinfo | grep direct
[02:00] <adude> but i can't connect using a ip address
[02:01] <aobo> Ok im stuck michael
[02:01] <leo_rockw> adude: you should
[02:01] <aobo> do i type your command in konsole?
[02:02] <leo_rockw> adude: type rdp:/ before the ip
[02:02] <aobo> it came up with /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root
[02:02] <aobo> der. need sudo in front of it.
[02:02] <aobo> sorry
[02:03] <jmichaelx> aobo: yes, sudo
[02:03] <DarkriftX> ok, google is showing me that lots of other users are having problems switching to tty's but no apparent fixes that apply to me
[02:04] <jmichaelx> aobo: it seems to me the last time i used that legacy driver with that card, i had to manually add a line to xorg.conf
[02:04] <DarkriftX> im not even using nvidia drivers yet, still using nv (most users get this error BECAUSE they have nvidia drivers and nv is the fix for them(
[02:04] <jmichaelx> i am not sure about that lol
[02:04] <aobo> im stuck on the command
[02:05] <aobo> i typed in the identifier for the gfx card
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i certainly wouldn't say most
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> some, perhaps
[02:05] <aobo> and now im stuck
[02:05] <DarkriftX> most of the ones i read
[02:05] <DarkriftX> i read the first 7 links from google
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> you're aware that the people whining on forums are not a majority, right?
[02:05] <DarkriftX> every one of them had nvidia users sayin ghtat, some had riva users saying they had same problem
[02:05] <DarkriftX> of course
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> people don't post on forums just to say "hi, just wanted to let you know everything's working GREAT!"
[02:06] <DarkriftX> but of the ones i read, MOST applies
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[02:06] <DarkriftX> i was saying of the results i got, most were nvidia related and thier fixes dont apply to me
[02:07] <DarkriftX> i wonder
[02:07] <DarkriftX> if i boot to the recovery mode, and rename kdm, then try to change the runlevel to 3, would that possibly work?
[02:08] <jmichaelx> i enter 'geforce4 mx 440' in the search in UF, and it says it doesn't find anything
[02:08] <aobo> okay here we go
[02:08] <DarkriftX> gl aobo
[02:08] <aobo> i finished the blue screeen set up
[02:09] <aobo> now what?
[02:09] <aobo> it doesnt seem to work
[02:09] <hydrogen> !services
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about services - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <hydrogen> doh
[02:09] <aobo> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[02:09] <jmichaelx> aobo: did it allow you to select the nvidia driver?
[02:09] <aobo> errr.... hmmmm
[02:10] <aobo> i guess so
[02:10] <aobo> :S
[02:10] <nejode> nvidia-glx-legacy is for TNT's, Riva's and the likes....
[02:10] <nick__> how to enable sli in kubuntu ?
[02:10] <nejode> nvidia-glx is for cards up to MX's
[02:11] <aobo> okay
[02:11] <nick__> ok so is already enable ?
[02:11] <nick__> nvm lol
[02:11] <aobo> not for 64MB PCI?
[02:11] <jmichaelx> nejode: are you sure about that?
[02:11] <aobo> :S
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, that's right, new is for fx and up
[02:11] <nejode> ...and nvidia-glx-new is for FX's upwards
[02:11] <aobo> i shall wait till the discussion is done
[02:11] <nejode> sure man...
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> so just nvidia-glx for you, aobo
[02:12] <aobo> ah that was quick
[02:12] <jmichaelx> yep, just try it, it couldn't hurt... although i am fairly certain i used the legacy driver with that card.
[02:12] <aobo> thanks guys. time to try again
[02:12] <nejode> I have a MX-4000 and it uses nvidia-glx
[02:12] <aobo> i mean my card is teh worst in the range.
[02:12] <jmichaelx> nejode: could this have all changed at some point?
[02:12] <aobo> something like legacy doesnt apply
[02:13] <nejode> aobo: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i have to chuckle at the mx 4000
[02:13] <aobo> i did in adpet manager.
[02:13] <aobo> waiting for it now
[02:13] <nejode> ...sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[02:13] <nick__> someone can help me for sli nvidia ?
[02:13] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: why do you chuckle at it?
[02:13] <aobo> *chuckle*
[02:14] <aobo> nejode: what do i do now?
[02:14] <nejode> because it's a lousy card!!!
[02:14] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:14] <jmichaelx> i mostly have lousy cards
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> that was an attempt to market a subpar entry level card and make it sound better than the other gf4 mx's, when in reality it's essentially a gf2 with software shading (from what ive seen)
[02:14] <nejode> aobo: you have to restart so the kernel module loads
[02:15] <aobo> doh again
[02:15] <jmichaelx> i have an mx 440, and mx 4000, and an fx6200-PCI... my best card lol
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> 7600gs - budget card but performs great (for what little i do)
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> and i have a gf2mx400 in my geexbox in the living room
[02:15] <nick__> no :(
[02:15] <jmichaelx> i strictly stick to old worn-out hardware...
[02:16] <nejode> now, that's a good old card
[02:16] <oloughlin75> Hmmm.... should I install kubuntu again? Gnome was too slow and I don't feel and im missing some of the things that gnome and kde had that fluxbox is missing
[02:16] <jmichaelx> i do not own a box with a PCI-e port
[02:17] <aobo> hi guys im back again
[02:17] <jmichaelx> aobo: how goes it?
[02:17] <aobo> ummm
[02:18] <nejode> fluxbox is like a F-1: fast but uncomfortable
[02:18] <aobo> i saw a flash of the nvidia sign
[02:18] <nick__> he have a channel for nvidia linux ?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> aobo: that is a good sign
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, then you should be golden
[02:18] <nejode> and???
[02:18] <aobo> and...
[02:18] <aobo> now i have 10 things to update
[02:18] <aobo> according to adept updater
[02:18] <oloughlin75> nejode: I really like how you can "tab" windows
[02:18] <jmichaelx> so you have X?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> that is great
[02:18] <nejode> great!
[02:18] <aobo> whats X
[02:18] <aobo> no really. whats X
[02:19] <DarkriftX> we went over this
[02:19] <DarkriftX> X is your GUI
[02:19] <aobo> i forgot...
[02:19] <NickPresta> !X
[02:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:19] <aobo> oooh
[02:19] <nejode> graphical
[02:19] <aobo> GUI
[02:19] <aobo> cool
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> if you see pretties on the screen, x is working :D
[02:19] <artfullylost_> Adept simply will not function for me.
[02:19] <DarkriftX> you remember windows 95?
[02:19] <jmichaelx> aobo: type 'glxgears' in a terminal
[02:19] <oloughlin75> !adeptfix artfullylost_
[02:19] <DarkriftX> DOS was the OS and Windows was the GUI
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> artfullylost_, it doesn't *function* for anyone
[02:19] <aobo> woooo
[02:19] <aobo> gears!
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i would really recommend synaptic
[02:19] <DarkriftX> thats how linux is... linux is command line, X gives it a gui
[02:20] <artfullylost_> !adeptfix
[02:20] <jmichaelx> they worked?
[02:20] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[02:20] <aobo> yep worked
[02:20] <Jucato> aobo: what does "glxinfo | grep render" say btw?
[02:20] <nejode> artfullylost: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> but unlike windows, you're not limited to a single gui
[02:20] <DarkriftX> lol, exactly
[02:20] <aobo> af few chokes for the gears but okay i gues
[02:20] <jmichaelx> sweet, you have 3D acceleration now
[02:20] <Jucato> (hm.. well not really... glxgears isn't really a definite test)
[02:20] <nejode> aobo: how many fps?
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox for the masochists...
[02:20] <DarkriftX> nor are you forced to reboot every 13 minutes with thier forced reboot screen (also known as a BSOD)
[02:20] <aobo> direct rendering: Yes
[02:20] <aobo> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X/PCI/SSE2
[02:20] <Jucato> aobo: now that is the definite test :)
[02:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i would say that yes, you have acceleration.
[02:21] <aobo> fps? how do i tell
[02:21] <aobo> cool thanks guys.
[02:21] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, no matter, you're good :D
[02:21] <aobo> so many thanks
[02:21] <aobo> hmm
[02:21] <aobo> so i can play brutal chess now?
[02:21] <DarkriftX> now if only i could get MINE working lol
[02:21] <oloughlin75> Does anyone know where firefox stores the search engines?
[02:21] <aobo> whats wrong with yours?
[02:21] <DarkriftX> i cant kill X to install my drivers
[02:22] <aobo> oh
[02:22] <Jucato> DarkriftX: where does Ctrl+Alt+F1 take you?
[02:22] <DarkriftX> i downloaded the drivers from the site
[02:22] <DarkriftX> black screen with a flashing cursor
[02:22] <Jucato> no text login prompt?
[02:22] <DarkriftX> i had to reboot to get otu of it (just learned that ctrl_alt_f7 will return me to X)
[02:22] <DarkriftX> nope
[02:22] <DarkriftX> neither do like 10 different commands ppl told me to try
[02:22] <nejode> aobo: in the konsole under the glxgears you'll get the fps...
[02:22] <DarkriftX> killing kdm gives same thing
[02:22] <Jucato> hm... that's weird...
[02:22] <nick__> mi icone of my desktop is to small how i make my icone more big ?
[02:23] <DarkriftX> some getty command someone had me try also gave same outcome
[02:23] <Jucato> there's something wrong on a deeper level
[02:23] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. any suggestions?
[02:23] <DarkriftX> yes
[02:23] <DarkriftX> thats what i figured
[02:23] <aobo> 900 fps
[02:23] <aobo> well 880 ish
[02:23] <DarkriftX> lol
[02:23] <aobo> direct rendering: Yes
[02:23] <aobo> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X/PCI/SSE2
[02:23] <DarkriftX> i bet after 100fps the compute rjust gives you a random number
[02:23] <aobo> oops wrong
[02:23] <DarkriftX> theres no real way to prove that
[02:23] <aobo> 1982 frames in 5.0 seconds = 396.350 FPS
[02:23] <aobo> 4421 frames in 5.0 seconds = 884.152 FPS
[02:23] <aobo> 4155 frames in 5.0 seconds = 830.856 FPS
[02:24] <aobo> :S
[02:24] <Jucato> !paste | aobo
[02:24] <ubotu> aobo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:24] <nejode> for a mx-440 it's ok
[02:24] <aobo> oh.
[02:25] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, check out this page for information: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/03/firefox-search-bar-hacks.html
[02:25] <aobo> its 1857 fps now
[02:25] <aobo> how do i make the icons smaller on the desktop?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: !!! hows it going!!
[02:26] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, check out: /usr/share/firefox/searchplugins/ for the preloaded search plugins.
[02:26] <DarkriftX> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
[02:26] <nejode> jmichaelx: try installing mplayer or vlc, they'll install again all propietary codecs
[02:26] <DarkriftX> maybe ill try the drivers on the repos again :S
[02:26] <Jucato> nick__, aobo: try System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Advanced tab
[02:26] <jmichaelx> nejode: i have all of that installed
[02:26] <aobo> thanks Jucato
[02:26] <jmichaelx> nejode: before i upgraded to the new kaffeine, .avi's played fine
[02:27] <Jucato> DarkriftX: didn't the nvidia packages work for you?
[02:27] <DarkriftX> they havent in the past
[02:27] <DarkriftX> always locked up when kdm tried to start
[02:27] <DarkriftX> so i always used the ones from the website
[02:27] <DarkriftX> so ill the the packages again
[02:27] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: is your adapter PCI?
[02:27] <DarkriftX> if i can figure out which one to install
[02:27] <DarkriftX> its a laptpo
[02:27] <DarkriftX> and yes, kinda
[02:27] <jmichaelx> ok, nm
[02:28] <bnex10> oh hey DarkriftX
[02:28] <DarkriftX> sup bnex10
[02:28] <bnex10> hey i would love to disable ipv6
[02:28] <nick__> yeah Jucato thanks
[02:29] <artfullylost_> Thank you, oloughlin75.
[02:29] <bnex10> most daemons tend to use ipv6
[02:30] <DarkriftX> how do i tell which nvidia driver i need?
[02:30] <DarkriftX> mines rather new (year old or so) but its a mobile
[02:30] <nejode> nvidia 6150?
[02:30] <DarkriftX> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
[02:30] <DarkriftX> yes
[02:31] <nejode> nvidia-glx-new
[02:31] <Jucato> !nvidia
[02:31] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:31] <Jucato> there a link to a list there ^^^^
[02:31] <bnex10> i want to use ipv4 for network services
[02:32] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: howdy
[02:32] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: How you been?
[02:32] <bnex10> vnc and ircd will work fine without ipv6 interfering
[02:32] <bnex10> help!
[02:33] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version of kaffeine, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. even mplayer and vlc will not play .avi's.any suggestions?
[02:33] <rom> hi again
[02:34] <nejode> DarkriftX: install nvidia-glx-new, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and restart
[02:35] <DarkriftX> wish me luck, restarting now
[02:36] <rom> how can I configure my touchpad
[02:36] <rom> on kubuntu?
[02:36] <rom> (enable or disable it)
[02:36] <nejode> jmichaelx: does it spit out any error?
[02:36] <adude> is the kde4 any good?
[02:36] <rom> I used "ksynaptics" but it has been removed from repositories...
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[02:36] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> adude: I like it
[02:36] <jmichaelx> nejode: i will check soon, i am removing --purgin a bunch of stuff and re-installing
[02:36] <Jucato> nejode: afaik the command now is "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[02:37] <adude> did you have any problems with it
[02:37] <Dr_willis> rom,  gsynaptics works decently well with kde. :( but i think the whole synaptics  program is basicially unsupported these days
[02:37] <leo_rockw> adude: kde4 is good, but not ready for daily use, at least for me
[02:37] <rom> but even unsupported, it worked fine
[02:37] <Dr_willis> testing out kde4 now. Its useable.. but missing some bits.. and im getting lots of crashes
[02:37] <rom> it has been removed :(
[02:37] <leo_rockw> bnex10: what's your question?
[02:37] <nejode> Jucato: you're right... uuupppss
[02:37] <Jucato> nejode: :P
[02:37] <adude> i like it. but it has to many problems yet
[02:38] <rom> and there is no other software :(
[02:38] <Dr_willis> rom,  i imagine that gsynaptics will get removed soon also. from what i recall on the synaptics homepage, the thing is gettting obsoleted by a newer project.
[02:38] <Dr_willis> !find gsynaptics
[02:38] <ubotu> Found: sh:
[02:38] <Dr_willis> silly bot.
[02:38] <leo_rockw> !cookie | Dr_willis
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <leo_rockw> boo
[02:38] <rom> what project?
[02:38] <rom> what can I use instead of g/ksynaptics
[02:38] <bnex10> leo_rockw: i need ipv4 enable as default instead of ipv6
[02:38] <leo_rockw> that's what i get for playing w/ ubotu...
[02:38] <DarkriftX> ok, how do i tell if its working ?
[02:38] <Jucato> DarkriftX: if nejode's command didn't work, I think it's supposed to be "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[02:39] <Jucato> DarkriftX: "glxinfo | grep render"
[02:39] <DarkriftX> i got an error about restricted drivers in use
[02:39] <Jucato> and you should have seen the nvidia logo
[02:39] <bnex10> i need 2 differnet deamons to listen on a ipv4 address
[02:39] <DarkriftX> i didnt see nvidia logo
[02:39] <DarkriftX> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce Go 6150/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[02:39] <DarkriftX>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[02:39] <bnex10> not ipv6
[02:39] <leo_rockw> bnex10: sorry, i don't know anything about that.
[02:39] <Dr_willis> rom,  i use gsynaptics for the time being. google for gsynaptics/ksynaptics and see what they suggest. I think its all getting rolled into the normal X configuration stuff mainly. But i just skimmed the homepage a few weeks ago
[02:39] <jmichaelx> nejode: somehow using remove --purge for vlc and and all related files, then re-installing has fixed the problem i was having
[02:39] <Jucato> DarkriftX: is it saying Direct rendering: yes?
[02:39] <nejode> cool!!
[02:39] <DarkriftX> yes
[02:40] <jmichaelx>  :-)
[02:40] <bnex10> the system uses ::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:40] <Jucato> then you're ok (I guess)
[02:40] <DarkriftX> but the restricted drivers says its not enabled
[02:40] <DarkriftX> says its in use, but not enabled
[02:40] <jmichaelx> i can't imagine what was wrong
[02:40] <DarkriftX> :S
[02:40] <bnex10> but windows cant use that
[02:40] <DarkriftX> make any sense to anyone else?
[02:40] <Dr_willis> rom,  i see a 'tpconfig' in hardy. Not sure if its in the earlier disrtos.
[02:40] <DarkriftX> has a green check mark, but the tick box is empty
[02:40] <jmichaelx> i do not understand why this new kaffeineis in the repos, when there is no corresponding kaffeine-xine
[02:40] <rom> rom@rom-laptop:~$ tpconfig
[02:40] <rom> Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux].rom@rom-laptop:~$
[02:41] <DarkriftX> my refresh rate is lower now... .was 60, now 50
[02:41] <bnex10> hmm.....
[02:41] <DarkriftX> whats another test i can do?
[02:41] <DarkriftX> any apps in the repos that will only run with 3d accel?
[02:42] <nejode> planetpenguin-racer
[02:43] <bnex10> ?
[02:43] <DarkriftX> dling now
[02:43] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: what card do you have?
[02:43] <DarkriftX> 6150 go
[02:43] <jmichaelx> is that an FX?
[02:44] <DarkriftX> dont think so
[02:44] <DarkriftX> * icewaterman (i=CASpyh@unaffiliated/icewaterman) has joined #kubuntu
[02:44] <DarkriftX> oops
[02:44] <DarkriftX> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
[02:45] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  Sometimes when my computer boots up my "networking" service doesn't start up, and I have to manually start it.  Any ideas on why this doesn't work?
[02:46] <rom> in hardy, I can't log in graphically (I enabled auto-login at boot), but if I restart X, I enter my login/pass, and always "incorrect"
[02:46] <rom> while they ARE correct
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> rom: change your password in one of those automatically logged in sessions
[02:46] <jmichaelx> hmm. some of my .avi file still will not work
[02:46] <DarkriftX> ok, that game works
[02:46] <DarkriftX> kinda odd, but decent gfx
[02:46] <DarkriftX> ty guys
[02:47] <DarkriftX> i think last time someone told me to install the legacy drivers
[02:47] <DarkriftX> might be why they have never worked for me
[02:47] <rom> but I don't want to change my password
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> rom: just try it
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> you can change it back
[02:48] <rom> ok
[02:48] <DarkriftX> 2650 fps?????? *WTF*
[02:48] <DarkriftX> 3489
[02:48] <bnex10> lol
[02:48] <bnex10> good for you!
[02:49] <DarkriftX> thats like 100x what a human eye can see
[02:49] <DarkriftX> and on a laptop no less
[02:50] <Dr_willis> cover up the glxgears window with another window.. and watch the fps go waaaaaaaaaaaay up
[02:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:50] <nomopofomo> ok, so, now i've got this menu hanging on the top of my screen and I'm not sure how to disable or how it even got there in the first place...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> DarkriftX: make the window full screen
[02:50] <nejode> DarkriftX: those aren't REAL fps... they're like a reference
[02:50] <Dr_willis> nomopofomo,  you mean a panel with the applications  file/edit/whatever menus?
[02:50] <DarkriftX> i remember the days when we wanted 80fps to be good
[02:51] <nomopofomo> yes
[02:51] <neville> DarkriftX don't get too excited, it's not very accurate real life portrayal of your cards actual performance :P
[02:51] <DarkriftX> id hope not
[02:51] <DarkriftX> even though that was better
[02:51] <DarkriftX> 280
[02:51] <DarkriftX> sounds more real lol
[02:52] <nejode> 80 REAL fps are good!
[02:52] <nomopofomo> Dr_willis: any idea how to get rid of that thing?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> its a kde setting somewhere..
[02:53] <nomopofomo> LOL I know and I can't remember where I was messing with it...
[02:53] <Dr_willis> and im under kde4 right now.. so i cant explore :)
[02:53] <DarkriftX> poor guy
[02:54] <Jucato> nomopofomo: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior
[02:54] <Roey> hola Jucato!
[02:54] <Jucato> Menu Bar at Top of Screen
[02:54] <Jucato> ohayo Roey
[02:54] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[02:55] <Roey> alaska
[02:55] <nomopofomo> You got it!
[02:55] <Alucard_Hellsing> can someone help me. i trying to insert skype but its not working right
[02:55] <Roey> *arraska
[02:57] <rom> hi again
[02:57] <rom> when I launch compiz, often some icons in systray are "detached"
[02:57] <rom> from the systray
[02:57] <rom> which is very annoying
[02:58] <Jucato> they might know in #compiz-fusion
[02:58] <vistalite> Jucato:  :O
[02:58] <jmichaelx> ok, now i can play many .avi's , but many others still will not play
[02:58] <vistalite> i got paltalk running on Kubuntu what an awfull app :(
[02:58] <vistalite> i am traumatized now
[02:58] <bnex10> i got no graphics card
[02:59] <vistalite> i got no life
[02:59] <jmichaelx> what does an error lke this mean: 10:59:10 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >/media/sda1/The Last Shah - Iran History BBC Documentary (Ben Kingsley Narration).avi<
[02:59] <vistalite> want to trade bnex10
[02:59] <vistalite> :)
[02:59] <leo_rockw> hey, what's the command to find out which shell i'm using?
[02:59] <neville> jmichaelx Have you tried VLC/
[02:59] <jmichaelx> neville: yes. all of these files used to play just fine...
[02:59] <Jucato> leo_rockw: try "echo $SHELL" ?
[03:00] <bnex10> vistalite: a graphics card for nothing?
[03:00] <bnex10> lol
[03:00] <leo_rockw> Jucato: thank you! someone asked this in #ubuntu, and i couldn't remember it.
[03:00] <vistalite> lol
[03:01] <Alucard_Hellsing> i need to talk to someone who uses linux
[03:01] <bnex10> we all do
[03:01] <Alucard_Hellsing> srry i ment to sa kubuntu
[03:01] <bnex10> same
[03:01] <Alucard_Hellsing> version 7.10
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be all of us
[03:02] <Alucard_Hellsing> i just downloaded skype and the package inserter quits before it finshes
[03:03] <bnex10> eeh?
[03:03] <Alucard_Hellsing> i dont need skype specificaly but i do need a free voip
[03:03] <bnex10> try again one time?
[03:03] <Alucard_Hellsing> iv tried 3 times
[03:03] <leo_rockw> Alucard_Hellsing: ekiga, openwengo
[03:03] <bnex10> o
[03:04] <bnex10> well
[03:04] <nomopofomo> What's a good newsreader for KDE?
[03:04]  * bnex10 gets someone else
[03:04] <bnex10> *ahem*
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you actually want to READ or download binaries?
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> because that's two different answers -_-
[03:05] <bnex10> lol
[03:05] <nomopofomo> download binaries
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> klibido
[03:05] <nomopofomo> argh, isn't there anything more up to date?
[03:05] <nomopofomo> i really like pan but i hate that it's GTK
[03:05] <Alucard_Hellsing> thx
[03:05] <bnex10> what about read?
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> for reading, knode
[03:06] <jmichaelx> !divx
[03:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> nomopofomo, klibido might be a touch behind, but it supports uuencoding and yenc, is stable, and is fast, i fail to see a problem :)
[03:06] <nomopofomo> hm... i will give it another shot.
[03:06] <jmichaelx> lmao, i get a segfault when trying to open that first link with konqueror
[03:11] <jmichaelx> what the heck is 'demux'?
[03:12] <Roey> dmultiplexer
[03:12] <Roey> *demultiplexer
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> splits the audio and video into separate streams
[03:12] <jmichaelx> ok, i keep getting an error relating to 'demux'  for a number of video files that used to play just fine
[03:14] <jmichaelx> i have been trying to straighten this out for days. these problems all started when i tried to upgrade to the new kaffeine
[03:14] <nomopofomo> where do i go to change the default web browser in KDE?
[03:15] <leo_rockw> nomopofomo: alt + f2, kcontrol, everything is there
[03:15] <jmichaelx> i have just not gotten along with gutsy at all
[03:16] <nomopofomo> alt + f2 brings up run command
[03:16] <leo_rockw> nomopofomo: kcontrol
[03:17] <nomopofomo> that's what i just did :D
[03:17] <leo_rockw> nomopofomo: anything you want to change, adjust or modify in kde is there
[03:18] <kadam> not kde4 tho 8)
[03:19] <jmichaelx> i do not get this demux crap, lol. these files had worked fine.
[03:20] <Alucard_Hellsing> ekiga does not make calls to real phones and openwengo is for gnu linux
[03:20] <rom> I would like to add SHMConfig "on" in my xorg.conf
[03:20] <rom> for enabling touchpad configuration
[03:20] <rom> but... where?
[03:20] <rom> http://pastebin.com/m2d2f174f
[03:21] <rom> ...?
[03:24] <Roey> hey all
[03:24] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[03:30] <Dr_willis> it should work.. unless its so new - that you need newer drivers..
[03:30] <Dr_willis> in which case you might need to update your alsa..  Or wait to see if the next release has them allready in there.
[03:34] <DarkriftX> !compiz
[03:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> leo_rockw i have a voipstunt account but how do i use it with ekiga
[03:43] <nonewmsgs> are there plans to have compbiz with hardy kubuntu
[03:45] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu#head-24ebfb941cf6a8559753deca601a9b898eca619c
[03:46] <leo_rockw> nonewmsgs: kwin for kde4 has its own compositing, so idk if compiz for kubuntu is a good idea.
[03:47] <leo_rockw> nonewmsgs: but, to answer your question, i don't know if there are plans
[03:47] <Jucato> leo_rockw: at least for KDE 3 it might be a good idea... high demand for it when gutsy was released
[03:47] <Jucato> leo_rockw: see the link above
[03:48] <leo_rockw> Jucato: thanks for the link
[03:52] <DarkriftX> hrmmmm
[03:52] <DarkriftX> now i remember why i didnt keep compiz
[03:53] <DarkriftX> i lost my window decorations and alt tabbing is all i can do :S
[03:55] <_2> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main libnss3 2:1.firefox1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>~prepatch080202a-0ubuntu1  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:55] <_2> is that error telling me that the version of update is no longer avalable ?
[03:57] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=de06d51c
[04:00] <_2> Salaman: this channel really went to hell when intelikey left !
[04:00] <_2> man,
[04:01] <Jucato> (in your dreams :P)
[04:01] <_2> then why no answer ?
[04:01] <Jucato> !night | _2
[04:01] <ubotu> _2: It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[04:02] <_2> 9 pm middle of the night ??
[04:02] <Jucato> heheh
[04:02] <Dr_willis> im wide awake and highly caffinated!
[04:02] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[04:02] <Roey> hmm
[04:02] <Dr_willis> im used to 3rd shift.. :)
[04:02] <Roey> hey Dr_willis! ltns
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Roey,  you may need to update your alsa drivers if the thing is real new.
[04:03] <Dr_willis> or wait for the next release of ubunt/kubuntu tha may have updates. (could check out a beta of the live cd for the next release and see if it works in there)
[04:04] <Roey> Dr_willis:  is it supposed to Just WorkTM ?
[04:04] <_2> Jucato heh and at least intelikey would answer,  even if he didn't know anything at all about it...   :)))
[04:04] <Dr_willis> Roey,  if its a new chipset with no drivers for it under linux.. Or this release.. then how can it.
[04:04] <Roey> 00:02:07 ~ lspci | grep -i audio
[04:04] <Roey> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:04] <Jucato> _2: I *was* trying to look for an answer for you. but now I'm not inclined to anymore
[04:05] <Roey> Dr_willis:  http://rafb.net/p/yOUb1483.html
[04:05] <_2> Jucato (:
[04:05] <Dr_willis> there has been a lot of new audio chipset/stuff out lately.     the alsa in the current kubuntu is from a few months ago. so it is possible its just not got drivers IN there yet.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> whichis why i suggest testing out the livd cd of the hardy release.
[04:05] <_2> Jucato it's ok.   thanks just the same.
[04:07] <Jucato> _2: yes, that update is older than the one in the current dapper-updates
[04:07] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libnss3&searchon=names&suite=dapper-updates&section=all
[04:07] <Jucato> you can browse in packages.ubuntu.com btw
[04:08] <Roey> Dr_willis:  do yuou know anything about that output from aplay ?
[04:08] <_2> Jucato but you only see the latest.  i need the version that my packages.list contains   or else i'll be forced to dl the entire system again
[04:09] <Dr_willis> Roey,  nope. I only have creative sound cards here - so i rarely have sound issues. I did get a frieneds laptop working with the newer alsa drivers a few months ago.
[04:09] <Roey> ok
[04:09] <_2> Jucato but you only see the latest. <> if you browse the packages...
[04:09] <Jucato> _2: well yeah... because the older ones get replaced by the latest
[04:10] <_2> then how do you "down grade" a package ?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> I have my somewhat out of date 'install latest alsa' script i made for him at --> http://pastebin.com/f4e03f2f6    - USE at your own risk.. or just read it to see what i did.
[04:11] <_2> say you install version -2.5.23   and it's broken   and you need to downgrade back to 2.5.21  ???
[04:11] <Jucato> if the .deb is in your /var/cache/apt/archives/?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> that may or may not fix your problem. I dont   do much soundisue trouble shooting.
[04:11] <gustavo> heyyyy
[04:11] <gustavo> i love you!!!!
[04:11] <gustavo> alll
[04:11]  * Dr_willis sends gustavo  a bill.
[04:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:12] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[04:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:13] <Jucato> _2: actually, ok I don't know. maybe at times they re-upload an older version and remove the latest? (like when X broke in Dapper)
[04:14] <gustavo> Dr_wills: thanks!!!
[04:14] <gustavo> :D
[04:14] <_2> Jucato hmmm    could be...   i just thought that the repos kept all the packages/versions and the lists told apt which to fetch...  but it seems that "updates" don't work that way maybe
[04:16] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, how are you and what is your opinion of kde4
[04:16] <Dr_willis> testing kde4 right now. its useable.. but   seems to crash a few too much for me. also with a kde3/4 systems installed. I got a lot of duplicate menu items.
[04:17] <Dr_willis> its still needing a lot of polish. :)
[04:17] <Dr_willis> but it will get there eventually
[04:17] <Dr_willis> right now - i added a 'old style' menu button to my panel.. but cant figure how to drag it to the position i want! :)
[04:17] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, thanks doc.  you seem quite knowledgable about these things
[04:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: #kubuntu-kde4 perhaps?
[04:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: and they're not really duplicate menu items... one is for the KDE 3 version, another for the KDE 4 version.. so... :)
[04:18] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  heh. i did the 'add widget' thing and drug/dropped a NEW one to the proper spot. then removed the one in the wrokg place.
[04:18] <DarkriftX> !compiz
[04:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: basically, that is the only way to do it
[04:18] <_2> Dr_willis right click it   doesn't have a menu for move ?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yea. but the menus give them the same name.  so to a novice they see 2 of all this stuff.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> _2,  there is not.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> Now i have a 'new' menu, and an old menu. :)
[04:19] <Dr_willis> but both use the same icon. :(
[04:19] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I thought they "fixed" that? or at least when you hover over the names, you'll see the description
[04:19] <Dr_willis> let me check
[04:20] <Dr_willis> ahh in the 'new' menu it has a littel text under the item saying 'whatever' or 'whatever kde3'
[04:20] <Dr_willis>  the color schem i am using makes it hard to read.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> with the old-stype menu widget - you dont see any  hover/descriptions.
[04:21] <Jucato> of course :)
[04:22] <Jucato> (maybe they'll implement something like Name (Description) in that old style menu again)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i do notice a bit of a graphical glitz as it draws the launcher menus also. new menu pops up, theres a bit of a delay and some gfx garbage befor it redraws
[04:22] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i hope so. :)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> personally i dont want ANY icons in the menus.  thats a feature i like about gnome.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i need less clutter in the menus. :)
[04:23] <_2> icons are over rated
[04:23] <Jucato> hope they make that configurable :)
[04:23] <Dr_willis> i also noticed if i set up gtk apps to use the kde4 themes in the appearance settings.. xchat coredumps
[04:23] <Jucato> bug :)
[04:24] <Jucato> or desired behavior :)
[04:24] <_2> lol
[04:24] <Dr_willis> luckly i rember that i had JUST changed that setting.. so saw the casuse/effect
[04:24] <Jucato> reproducible?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> i guess i can try launching a 2nd xchat.. :) brb
[04:25] <Dr_willis> xchat
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Floating point exception (core dumped)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Yep. :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> nifty. I installed some new kde4 styles.. time to check them out
[04:30]  * Dr_willis plays with kde4 some more
[04:32] <gustavo>  hello.. i love you... when will the checkboxes, editboxes in firefox look like the windows' pretty ones?
[04:32] <gustavo> :P
[04:32] <Jucato> hm?
[04:32] <nonewmsgs> can you link to examples
[04:32] <gustavo> yes.. you know in linux.. those editbox where you type text.. they look ugly
[04:33] <Jucato> Firefox on Linux and Firefox in Windows use different UI "toolkits" to render (or whatever the technical term is). so they will never look the same
[04:33] <gustavo> of course
[04:34] <gustavo> but the windows one is prettier... when will we look like those windows pretty ones?
[04:34] <Jucato> 1. Firefox uses the GTK appearance. so "we" as in Kubuntu and KDE have no control over the matter. 2. It's a question for #firefox or #mozilla or wherever their channel is
[04:35] <nonewmsgs> Jucato,  they will never look the same
[04:35] <nonewmsgs> bah i dont know how to quote someone properly
[04:35] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: hm... why tell me? :)
[04:35] <nonewmsgs> i was trying to quote you
[04:35] <gustavo> yes.. but i'm sure kubuntu can take action over this issue...
[04:35] <Jucato> :P
[04:35] <gustavo> :d
[04:35] <Jucato> no
[04:36] <Dr_willis> try some different firefox themes perhaps. :)
[04:36] <gustavo> i tried..
[04:36] <gustavo> doesn't make difference
[04:36] <nonewmsgs> are they pretty in konquoror, opera, epiphany, etc?
[04:36] <gustavo> =
[04:36] <Dr_willis> i really havent noticed any of the uglyness..but im busy using theprogram, not worrying about text input boxc's being off by a few pixles or whatever.
[04:37] <gustavo> nonewmsgs: yes, in konqueror it's prettier
[04:37] <gustavo> its a rounded solid border
[04:37] <gustavo> in firefox its a shaded editbox
[04:37] <nonewmsgs> perhaps there is a #firefox
[04:38] <nonewmsgs> 72 poeple in #firefox
[04:38] <gustavo> ok i'll ask there
[04:38] <gustavo> don't you use firefox?!
[04:39] <nonewmsgs> i dont use windows to browse and cannot compare
[04:39] <nonewmsgs> and do not work with the mozilla team
[04:40] <gustavo> never tried firefox in windows?!
[04:40] <gustavo> don't believe you
[04:40] <gustavo> :P
[04:40] <nonewmsgs> i have never notcied much of a difference
[04:40] <nonewmsgs> i asked for a screenshot comparision
[04:40] <Dr_willis> we all know that the new apple browser for windows is going to take over.. since apple is perfect.
[04:41] <Jucato> hm... kinda getting offtopic, don't you think? :)
[04:41] <gustavo> Dr_willis: what apple browser?!?!
[04:41] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, apple is no longer perfect.  someone has taken a bite of the apple.  it is clearly seen on the back of the ipod
[04:41] <gustavo> offtopic at the moon
[04:41] <nonewmsgs> safari :P
[04:41] <gustavo> great.. i like offtopic!
[04:41] <gustavo> :P
[04:41] <Dr_willis> gustavo,  the one mentioned on several web sites  i saw today
[04:41] <gustavo> Dr_willis: didn't noticed!
[04:41] <Jucato> !offtopic | gustavo
[04:41] <ubotu> gustavo: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:42] <gustavo> hehehe
[04:42] <nonewmsgs> !porn | gustavo
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <gustavo> jucato, let the rules to the bots
[04:42] <gustavo> :P
[04:42] <gustavo> hehehehe
[04:43] <nonewmsgs> !firefox
[04:43] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:44] <Dr_willis> aparently http://ubuntu-debs.googlecode.com/files/SafariSetup.exe crashes wine so badly it crashes X!
[04:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:44] <gustavo> these bots are great
[04:44] <gustavo> =D
[04:44] <gustavo> you know talking about google..
[04:44] <gustavo> anyone joining google's summer of code?!
[04:44] <gustavo> :P
[04:44] <nonewmsgs> gustavo they even suggested where to look for porn
[04:45] <gustavo> yeeeh!!!
[04:45] <gustavo> ehaiueh
[04:45] <Jucato> hm.. again... offtopic. last warning
[04:45] <gustavo> even tough i didn't find anything related to porn on that site
[04:45] <gustavo> heaiuhe
[04:45] <gustavo> the bot's tcl must be rewritten! :P
[04:46] <gustavo> Jucato: ok father!
[04:46] <gustavo> :D
[04:46] <gustavo> i'll go to sleep soon, don't bother!
[04:46] <nonewmsgs> im going to sleep but in a seperate but equal bed
[04:46] <gustavo> separate from what?1
[04:46] <gustavo> :P
[04:47] <gustavo> hey who said i would sleep alone :P
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Savage2 has a 5 hr demo - nifty
[04:53] <gustavo> you.. awaked ones.. where are you from?
[04:55] <Dr_willis> Im in Indiana. The land of Corn and pigs.
[04:56] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: odly enough, i just learned that corning meat, as in corned beef or corned ham involves no corn at all.
[04:57] <unix_infidel> also weird, while having corned beef reuben for the first time in my life.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> corn in corned beef = 'kernel' as in corse kernels/grains of salt - (like kosher salt)
[04:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:00]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading about Linux games
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Theres a lot of progress on the Linux Gaming Front lately.
[05:00] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: i still find TCE to be lacking in physics.
[05:03] <Dr_willis> TCE?
[05:04] <neville_> True Combat: Elite?
[05:04] <neville_> -_-v
[05:05] <Dr_willis> never heard of it. :)
[05:05] <Dr_willis> i dont game a lot. Just every so often i get in the mood
[05:06] <neville_> Me neither, just looked it up then :P
[05:06] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: it's one of the more common linux games out there.
[05:06] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: what are you playing?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> downloading the demo of savage2 right now.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> It has Linux 32 and 64bit clients. and windows client.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> 5 hr free demo -
[05:11] <Alucard_Hellsing> srry to ask this but i need a irc program for a non linux user...my friend does not have any linux nor is he knowledgable enough to know how to get or us linux
[05:11] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: mirc is the most common among windows users.
[05:11] <unix_infidel> xchat2 silverex build is quite nice as well.
[05:12] <Alucard_Hellsing> k thx
[05:12] <unix_infidel> if he uses gaim / pidjin he'll like xchat.
[05:12] <unix_infidel> http://www.silverex.org/download/xchat.png
[05:12] <Jucato> Alucard_Hellsing: Konversation
[05:12] <Dr_willis> i use the xchat2 silverex for windows all the time
[05:12] <Alucard_Hellsing> he has never used irc before
[05:12] <unix_infidel> Jucato: windows.
[05:13] <Jucato> oh sorry haha
[05:13] <Dr_willis> heh - you pasted a link to an icon :) not the program
[05:13] <Alucard_Hellsing> i use konversation  i love it
[05:13] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: i pasted a link to the xchat screenshot.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)   ok.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> xchat - the only irc client i know with less and less features with each release!
[05:14]  * unix_infidel uses irssi on windows and linux.
[05:14] <Alucard_Hellsing> is it easyer to use than mirc then
[05:14] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: yes.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Its rather straightforward to use.. and it has docs.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: mirc is designed for people who want to connect to multiple servers and chats to download and chat.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> xchat is more designed for chatting imho.
[05:15] <Alucard_Hellsing> he just needs to be able to be in my room and the main morph room
[05:16] <Dr_willis> mIRC finially got the ability to be on more then 1 server at a time? :)
[05:17] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: iirc, you can get the portable version too.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/downloads/X-Chat_Portable_2.8.4_Devlopment_Test_1_en-us.paf.exe
[05:18] <unix_infidel> portable gtk included, so he doesnt need to install it and mess with gtk / glade win32 versions.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> things have gone full circle with windows apps.. used to be everything was a 'portable app' Now its a new-innovative feature!
[05:19] <Alucard_Hellsing> k so i could test this with wine couldnt is
[05:19] <Alucard_Hellsing> *i
[05:19] <DarkriftX> mirc has supported multi server for at least 6 years
[05:24] <Dr_willis> DarkriftX,  shows how long ive been using Xchat under windows then.
[05:25]  * Dr_willis still rembers the disaster when mIRC gained some Ugly color-codes function. YOu couldent even stand to be in IRC with all the flashing/ugly colors
[05:28] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:28] <DarkriftX> i guess
[05:29] <DarkriftX> either that or you didnt upgrade often
[05:29] <DarkriftX> mirc is actually very good under windows
[05:29] <DarkriftX> xchat is nice, but i think mirc has more features that I use
[05:29] <Dr_willis> if you need the features.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> i recall way too many people that thought 'scripting' mirc events was 'real programing' :)
[05:31] <neville_> Doesn't it work in wine, too?
[05:44] <Alucard_Hellsing> can anyone here directly translate for me   chown -r us ./base
[05:45] <DarkriftX> lol Dr_willis i have written soem things in mirc "scripting" that some ppl cant tell even belongs to mirc
[05:45] <DarkriftX> i know its a scripting language, but programming, but it is really good for what it is
[05:45] <DarkriftX> s/but/not/
[05:45] <DarkriftX> erm
[05:45] <DarkriftX> s/but programming/not programming/
[05:46] <Alucard_Hellsing> no...funny
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I just recall people argung that xchat sucked becuase it used perl, and you couldent do a 1 line 'on event Say SPAMMESSAGE' type things :-
[05:46] <DarkriftX> lol Alucard_Hellsing  "all ur base are belong to us"
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> lol yes finaly
[05:47] <DarkriftX> i almost told you what it did :S
[05:47] <DarkriftX> then i got it
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> u know that phrase
[05:47] <dennister> any sql-ledger or accountant types available in the channel tonight?
[05:47] <DarkriftX> ive heard it
[05:47] <DarkriftX> from a song right?
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> u know what its from
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> yes and no
[05:47] <DarkriftX> not offhand
[05:48] <evil-rhino> hey, i upgrade to hardy, which upgrade my firefox to ver. 3. all my application handlers for various content types disappeared. now firefox doesn't know what to do with .pdfs, .torrents, etc. any suggestions?
[05:48] <Alucard_Hellsing> from a video game intro that was made into a song because of the crappy grammer
[05:48] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:48] <evil-rhino> Alucard_Hellsing, DarkriftX: take it to #kubuntu-offtopic, please.
[05:49] <DarkriftX> Dr_willis, i dislike xchats useage of perl because i dont know perl very well, but im very sure perl is more powerful
[05:49] <Dr_willis> it can use other languages as well.
[05:49] <DarkriftX> evil-rhino, try #firefox, please
[05:49] <Dr_willis> not that i ever do that stuff in xchat
[05:49] <Alucard_Hellsing> is was kinda on topic... its shell script
[05:50] <Dr_willis> You would rather it use its own custome language like mirc does? :)
[05:50] <evil-rhino> DarkriftX: this is the result of a kubuntu upgrade, so it's completely relevant.
[05:50] <Jucato> evil-rhino: #ubuntu+1
[05:50] <DarkriftX> #kubuntu-upgrade, please
[05:50] <Jucato> DarkriftX: is that a real channel?
[05:50] <evil-rhino> oy vey, thanks.
[05:51] <DarkriftX> i really hate it when ppl give me the "get lost" attitude
[05:51] <DarkriftX> Jucato, every channel is real on here :)
[05:51] <DarkriftX> as soon as you join it anyways
[05:51] <Jucato> pfft :)
[05:51] <Jucato> that's not what I meant though
[05:52]  * Dr_willis joins #Jucato_For_President
[05:52] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:52] <Jucato> O.o
[05:52] <DarkriftX> it was empty :S
[05:52] <DarkriftX> gather your following!
[05:53] <DarkriftX> see, i think if everyone who wanted to make offtopic comment joined anothe channel to chat, there would be a lot less help in here because most ppl would be busy chatting and not reading in here as often
[05:54] <Alucard_Hellsing> agreed
[05:54] <DarkriftX> so unless it turns into an hour long convo, i dont think someone who asked a question and didnt get an immediate answer needs to tell otehrs to go elsewhere
[05:54] <Dr_willis> DarkriftX,  thats what #ubuntu-offtopic-offtopic is for
[05:54] <DarkriftX> that was extremely rude
[05:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:54] <DarkriftX> so lets all go to an off topic channel and chat, and screw all those who want help!!
[05:54] <DarkriftX> (im not that rude, but you get my point)
[05:54] <Sir_Corgi> There's a channel where you talk about off-topic things that aren't allowed in the off-topic channel?
[05:54] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:55] <Alucard_Hellsing> S L O
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Ive seen some support channels on Dalnet kick you if you are also in Porn channels. :)
[05:55] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:55] <Sir_Corgi> Ha.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ive seen some kick you for making too many spelling mistakes.
[05:55] <DarkriftX> well, thats justifiable
[05:55] <Alucard_Hellsing> Q_O
[05:55] <DarkriftX> because users on porn channels could be bots spamming for more users
[05:55] <Sir_Corgi> I was teasing ubotu in #kubuntu-offtopic until it was revealed to me that it's not allowed.
[05:55] <DarkriftX> ive seen that and i understnad that reasoning
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Sir_Corgi,  theres a bot channel for that
[05:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:55] <Sir_Corgi> I was told that. lol
[05:56] <DarkriftX> there are too many channels that arent for help
[05:56] <DarkriftX> because they want the "free help" to act like paid help
[05:56] <DarkriftX> i dont get that
[05:56] <Dr_willis>  /join #CantFindAnyGoodChannels
[05:56] <DarkriftX> i got "silenced" on ##linux one night for saying "damn! really?"
[05:56] <Sir_Corgi> I had to try to direct a Russian guy to #ubuntu-ru
[05:56] <Sir_Corgi> Didn't work.
[05:56] <DarkriftX> 15 minutes i couldnt type for that
[05:56] <Sir_Corgi> I'm even learning Russian right now.
[05:57] <Sir_Corgi> It was VERY INTERESTING.
[05:57] <Alucard_Hellsing> thats bs
[05:57] <Sir_Corgi> What is?
[05:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> DarkriftX  silenced
[05:58] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah, that's kind of retarded.
[05:58] <Sir_Corgi> People get way too butthurt sometimes.
[05:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> must have a "badword" bot
[05:58] <DarkriftX> no
[05:58] <DarkriftX> it was a human op who did it
[05:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> now that is retarted
[05:58] <Sir_Corgi> Sand in his vagina...
[05:59] <DarkriftX> and when i questioned it i was told i would be banned for ever for questioning thier rules
[05:59] <Jucato> ahem!
[05:59] <Sir_Corgi> Right... right... back to #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:59] <Alucard_Hellsing> i say we takerover the channel
[05:59] <DarkriftX> which is why i now say "darn" "gosh" "poop" over there
[05:59] <Sir_Corgi> Muahaha
[05:59] <Sir_Corgi> Say "fart" instead of the f-word.
[05:59] <DarkriftX> lol
[06:00] <DarkriftX> i got compiz almost working properly but they ran out of ideas for me
[06:01]  * DarkriftX starts spinning his cube in frustration
[06:01] <Sir_Corgi> I hate that cube.
[06:01] <DarkriftX> i love the cube
[06:01] <DarkriftX> thats the only reason i installed compiz
[06:02] <Sir_Corgi> I just like my windows to look pretty.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Thers a reason  why the cool people hang here , instead of ##linux
[06:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. the plasma corner 'button' in the top right, has a zoom out feature.. but i cant find how to zoom back in...
[06:08] <Jucato> try right-clicking on one of the desktops...
[06:08] <Jucato> it might be hard to read the menu
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i get the normal right click popup menu. noting about zoomingback
[06:09] <Jucato> try hovering over the "corner" of the desktop again (where the Zoom OUt button was)
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i only get a right click menu on the very small 'desktop' wallpaper thats now in the top left of the screen
[06:09] <Jucato> (although it's no longer really the corner)
[06:10] <Sir_Corgi> There is one thing about compiz in Kubuntu that I haven't figured out.  In GNOME, if a window is maximized, you can click and drag the titlebar down, and it will unstick the window.  In Kubuntu, it just stretches the title bar down as though it's stuck by the corners.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> nothing in the actual corner, the mini-desktop has that corner button. but it just has zoom, and add widgets
[06:10] <Dr_willis> and i zommed again.. nowits real real real tiny. :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:11] <Dr_willis> aha! the zoomin/out buttons were so tiny - i got lucky and hit zoomout!
[06:11] <Dr_willis> there we go. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> and plasma crashed.. heh.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> well off to Try the savage2 demo.  bye
[06:20] <Erickj92> what would be the restart command for apache2?
[06:26] <emilsedgh> Erickj92: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[06:26] <Erickj92> thank you emilsedgh. i keep forgetting it
[06:32] <Sir_Corgi> Google is BLACK
[06:32] <Sir_Corgi> Holy crap!
[06:35] <emilsedgh> Sir_Corgi: ??
[06:35] <emilsedgh> bugs.kde.org is BLACK!
[06:36] <emilsedgh> at least it was, a few minutes ago!
[06:38] <belladonna> has anyone used tvtime?  i cannot figure out how to change the card used
[06:40] <belladonna> how do i figure out if my tv card installed correctly?
[06:47] <belladonna> is anyone here responding?
[06:47] <Creationist> Are there any decent apps that will help me locate duplicate files (particularly pictures) within my home folder?
[06:48] <Creationist> belladonna: Ask a question... if no one responds, then your answer is no. :)
[06:48] <belladonna> Creationist: i am just trying to find a tutorial or something on setting up tv cards
[06:48] <Jucato> !tv
[06:48] <Creationist> Have you tried Google?
[06:49] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[06:49] <Creationist> ...or Jucato :)
[06:49]  * Jucato has no idea about tv cards though :(
[06:49] <Sir_Corgi> But apparently ubotu does. lol
[07:02] <belladonna> is there anything to check on why i would not be able to play a dvd?
[07:04] <seba> hola
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Tocco Grande!
[07:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:04] <seba> algun latino o latina de sangre caliente?
[07:04] <Dr_willis> !es
[07:04] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés.   HAHA
[07:06] <ubuntu> hello everyone
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Actually i think 'Tocco' is a brand name of a machine we have at work.
[07:07]  * Jucato thinks "taco" [/offtopic]
[07:07] <ubuntu> I am using the 7.10 live cd and when I try to mount my HD I get a mounting error
[07:07]  * Dr_willis waits in suspense for the error message!
[07:07] <ubuntu> it says refused uid 999
[07:08] <ubuntu> is this because I don't have root privileges or what?
[07:08] <ubuntu> I am still new to linux (use Puppy Linux on my desktop)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm. You could try mounting the thing manually from the command line.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> I rarely mess with the live cd.
[07:09] <ubuntu> well I am completely happy with Puppy
[07:10] <ubuntu> but I read in the Ubuntu forums that audible.com audio files can be transferred with Amarok on Kubuntu
[07:10] <ubuntu> so I wanted to try it out
[07:15] <ubuntu> I am trying to mount it under the Konsole but it says it can't find sda1 or hda1; under storage drives it has my hd listed as sda1
[07:17] <Tm_T> ubuntu: what is the exact errormessage and command
[07:17] <ubuntu> I tried opening it as root, it still won't detect it
[07:17] <belladonna> is there something special i need to do to play a dvd?
[07:18] <Tm_T> !dvd | belladonna
[07:18] <ubotu> belladonna: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:18] <ubuntu> under KDE with dolphin it is hal-storage-fixed mount refused uid 999
[07:18] <Tm_T> ubuntu: with Konsole
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> what is the name of the kde search thing that runs in the background and chews up resources
[07:19] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media$ sudo mount sda1
[07:19] <ubuntu> mount: can't find sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:19] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media$
[07:19] <neville_> Strigi?
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> I removed it on my machine so I forgot the name
[07:19] <Tm_T> Linux_Galore: you mean strigi? (it isn't KDE search actually IIRC)
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> ah yes strigi
[07:19] <Tm_T> ubuntu: /dev/sda1
[07:19] <Tm_T> ubuntu: also you have to give the destination dir for mount
[07:20] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/dev$ cd sda1
[07:20] <ubuntu> bash: cd: sda1: Not a directory
[07:20] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/dev$
[07:20]  * ubuntu nods
[07:21] <ubuntu> okay I guess I don't know the directory
[07:21] <Tm_T> ubuntu: /dev/sda1 is the device, not dir
[07:21] <Tm_T> ubuntu: you have to create (if it isn't already) destination dir, like, /media/memstick
[07:22] <ubuntu> I tried sudo mount /dev/sda1/
[07:22] <ubuntu> and sudo mount /media/sda1/
[07:22] <Tm_T> yes, the device isn't dir
[07:22] <ubuntu> couldn't find either
[07:22] <Tm_T> device is "file"
[07:22] <Tm_T> mount /dev/sda1 /media/memstick
[07:22] <Tm_T> for example
[07:22] <ubuntu> ah
[07:22] <ubuntu> not familiar with that
[07:23] <Tm_T> ubuntu: mount --help might give some instructions, also manual pages are good if they doesn't frighten you :))
[07:24] <ubuntu> well I used mount in Damn Small Linux, I guess it autodetects your devices or something because I just had to direct it to my device as if it were a directory
[07:24] <ubuntu> but I am still noobtastic
[07:24] <Tm_T> ubuntu: yup, should work the same way in Kubuntu, but in some (interesting perhaps) cases it could fail
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> Im just talking to someone on the phone and when he is playing a video every now and again its starts ti stutter, I had the exact same problem and removed strigi and all was well
[07:25] <Tm_T> but time to catch a train ->
[07:26] <ubuntu> okay I read the help but I am still confused, how do I know my device name if it is not listed or detected by Kubuntu?
[07:27] <Dragonath> then your device doesn't work with kubuntu I guess
[07:28] <ubuntu> but in dolphin it shows my 120g hd as sda1
[07:28] <ubuntu> but it doesn't detect /media/sda1 in console
[07:29] <ubuntu> it still says it can't find it in etc/fstab or mtab even when I direct it to media/sda1
[07:29] <ubuntu> geeze I am confused :-P
[07:29] <ubuntu> the device is my harddrive, how is that not going to work with Kubuntu! :-P
[07:31] <Dr_willis>  /media/ is a mountpoint the device is /dev/sda1
[07:32] <DarkriftX> anyone know where i change the taskbar buttons font color at in kde?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/PICKSOMEDIRNAME
[07:32] <ubuntu> okay I did it :)
[07:32] <ubuntu> lol sorry I am slow I guess
[07:33] <root> hola riddelll
[07:33] <DarkriftX> anyone?
[07:34] <Riddell> hmm?
[07:34] <kenny> Sorry, no.  Just installed KDE myself.
[07:34] <root> de donde eres
[07:35] <Dragonath> DarkriftX: you right click on the desktop then go configure desktop
[07:35] <Dragonath> or wait
[07:35] <Dragonath> I'm wrong
[07:35] <Dragonath> right click on the taskbar
[07:35] <Dragonath> and unlock it if you haven't
[07:36] <Dragonath> then choose configure panel
[07:36] <Dragonath> and there's the taskbar section which has all you need
[07:37] <DarkriftX> nice, ty
[07:38] <DarkriftX> one more question, on some screenshots, i see different size icons on a desktop (some large, some normal etc) how is this done?
[07:39]  * Jucato hasn't seen anything like that
[07:39] <Sir_Corgi> DarkriftX:  You mean in the panel?
[07:39] <DarkriftX> no, desktop
[07:39] <Sir_Corgi> Oops.
[07:39] <emilsedgh> DarkriftX: System Settings->Appearance->Desktop->Icons->Advanced, i think
[07:39] <Jucato> emilsedgh: "different size icons" though
[07:40] <Sir_Corgi> My screen was scrolled up, so I didn't see people answering your question
[07:40] <DarkriftX> like they will have a huge firefox icon, and some mid sized drive icons and then lots of normal sized program icons allon the same desktop
[07:40] <emilsedgh> oh
[07:40] <emilsedgh> i've never seen such thing too
[07:40] <DarkriftX> i need to find a ss
[07:41] <Jucato> hm.. actually now that you mentioned it... I think I remember seeing something like that
[07:41] <Jucato> but iirc it's a GNOME utility or something
[07:41] <emilsedgh> i saw it in gnome :D
[07:41] <emilsedgh> Gnome and KDE4
[07:42] <Sir_Corgi> I've seen that in Gnome.
[07:42] <Sir_Corgi> Oh, KDE4.
[07:42] <Sir_Corgi> I know that in Gnome, you right-click a file on the desktop and you can change the icon's size.
[07:42] <malbos> hello all !
[07:43] <Sir_Corgi> I have both KDE and Gnome installed.  I just select the session from KDM when I log-in.
[07:43] <Sir_Corgi> But I rarely go into Gnome.
[07:43] <DarkriftX> ok, heres a ss, but ive seen this on many different systems over the years
[07:43] <DarkriftX> http://www.beryl-themes.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=75920&file1=75920-1.jpg&file2=75920-2.jpg&file3=&name=Plasmoids-X
[07:44] <DarkriftX> ahhh, so its a gnome thing
[07:44] <DarkriftX> darn
[07:44] <DarkriftX> i dislike gnome, but id like that feature
[07:44] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah.
[07:45] <DarkriftX> as far as kde4 goes, i couldnt even get icons on my desktop to work
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> That was kind of an ugly screenshot.  No offense if it was yours or anything. lol
[07:45] <DarkriftX> no
[07:45] <DarkriftX> lol
[07:45] <Jucato> there's a way to have something like that, although it requires a bit of work. just a bit
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> I keep mine simple.
[07:45] <DarkriftX> if it were, i wouldnt be asking how to do that
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> Perhaps there is a Compiz setting.  Maybe?
[07:45] <Jucato> (hint: superkaramba)
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> Looking...
[07:46] <DarkriftX> i like my icons very small, but there are some id like a little larger
[07:46] <DarkriftX> otherwise its not something i cant live without
[07:47] <Sir_Corgi> I'm going to search the forum real quick.
[07:47] <Sir_Corgi> See if I can find anything.
[07:48] <DarkriftX> its an odd thing to search for
[07:48] <emilsedgh> still no news from a KDE4 based irc client?
[07:48] <DarkriftX> the wording could go about 20 different ways
[07:49] <Sir_Corgi> Nah.
[07:49] <Sir_Corgi> You look up "stretch icons"
[07:49] <Sir_Corgi> It's what they call it in Gnome, I think.
[07:54] <Sir_Corgi> Not finding anything useful...
[07:54] <DarkriftX> i c
[07:54] <Sir_Corgi> Just people saying it can only be done in Gnome.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> I recall just using large png's as icon images in gnome made them bigger.. :)
[07:55] <kenny> Sounds like that'd work.  If all else fails, do it the long way.
[07:55] <Sir_Corgi> That's the one thing I actually don't like about Kubuntu:  pictures as icons.
[07:55] <Sir_Corgi> Same goes for Gnome.
[07:56] <Sir_Corgi> I mean, seeing a preview of it by mouseover is fine, but having pictures as icons isn't very attractive.
[07:56] <Dr_willis> we need animated pngs for icons! or flash videos!
[07:56] <jussi01> Sir_Corgi: so disable tehm
[07:56] <Sir_Corgi> PNGs are not animated.
[07:56] <kenny> High Def icons!
[07:56] <Sir_Corgi> You can't animate PNGs.
[07:56] <snowolf> they are
[07:57] <Dr_willis> I belive i saw some web thing gimp thing to make animated pngs
[07:57] <snowolf> anyway what purpose serves icons? bah
[07:57] <jussi01> anyway, lets try to keep this on topic a bit?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> they 'can be' :)
[07:57] <snowolf> yeah png can be animated, but they have a differente extension I believe
[07:57] <Sir_Corgi> I'm still looking.
[07:57] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: disable Previews in Icon view mode
[07:57] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_Portable_Network_Graphics
[07:58] <Sir_Corgi> Holy crap!
[07:58] <Sir_Corgi> And it keeps the .png format!
[07:59] <Sir_Corgi> That is brilliant!
[07:59] <Dr_willis> but aparently the png group dont like it.. so its proberly not going to get popular..
[07:59] <Dr_willis> so we are stuck with animaged gifs? Ick
[08:00] <Sir_Corgi> But wouldn't they look a whole lot better?  I mean .pngs don't require indexed colors.
[08:00] <Sir_Corgi> And the quality would be better.
[08:00] <Sir_Corgi> SO MUCH BETTER
[08:01] <Dr_willis> http://animatedpng.com/index.php/samples/mozilla-labs-justin-dolske/#more-14
[08:01] <Dr_willis> those look nice to me. :)
[08:02] <Sir_Corgi> I don't have FF3 yet, so I guess I won't see an animated PNG for a while.
 You can't animate PNGs. <--- there's APNG
[08:02] <Jucato> bah he beat me to it
[08:02] <Jucato> anyway
[08:02] <Sir_Corgi> I was already aware of that.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:02] <Sir_Corgi> Back on topic, I can't find anything on stretching icons.
[08:03] <Dr_willis> i rember animated IFF files from my amiga days
[08:09] <Sir_Corgi> I feel bad that I can't find anything about it.  Sorry.
[08:14] <belladonna> is there any to find out where a tv card is asigned to? such as /dev/video0
[08:20] <Dr_willis> belladonna,  could check the output of 'dmesg'
[08:22] <belladonna> is there a way of limiting the output so i do not have to look through hundreds of lines?
[08:22] <Dr_willis> grep for the pattern
[08:23] <Dr_willis> now WHAT pattern.. i dont know.
[08:23] <Dr_willis> dmesg | grep  video
[08:23] <Dr_willis> perhaps
[08:24] <belladonna> ok i think i found it but i do not see anything about /dev/....
[08:25] <Dr_willis> normally when a module/driver gets loaded it prints out some message about it in dmesg.  look above and below the lines with video in it.
[08:25] <belladonna> yes that is where i see it.. but it does not say where it loaded... neither do any of my other hardware
[08:28] <archangelpetro> is there really any differences between Kubuntu and ubuntu, other than using KDE?
[08:28] <Gaaston> archangelpetro> some applications differs
[08:28] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: using KDE is quite a difference!
[08:28] <Gaaston> konqueror is the default browser, adept is the package manager
[08:28] <archangelpetro> well, i agree but i mean
[08:29] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: most of the apps are different. :)
[08:29] <archangelpetro> in the availability of packages, stability etc..
[08:29] <Gaaston> no difference in the availability of packages
[08:29] <Gaaston> you can even install gnome on kubuntu
[08:29] <archangelpetro> but wwhat about stability?
[08:29] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: I don't think kubuntu gets as much love as Ubuntu. Apparently it's not quite as stable, however I've never really had a problem
[08:29] <archangelpetro> lol
[08:30] <archangelpetro> but is that subjectivity, or objective observation? :)
[08:30] <archangelpetro> the general feeling that is
[08:30] <Gaaston> it's not as much polished, but it is stable enough ... subjectively. It's hard to do objective comparison
[08:31] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: basically some people on Slashdot were moaning about it, I can't remember why or about what. It's a bit like: 'this bloke at the pub said...'
[08:31] <archangelpetro> ok :)
[08:31] <archangelpetro> well, mayb ei should try it
[08:31] <archangelpetro> instead of ubuntu
[08:32] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: oh yeah, give it a go. One thing to do if you're going to try lots of stuff out, is put your home directory in a seperate partition.
[08:32] <liammcdermott> That means you can splat your Linux install without affecting your documents :)
[08:33] <archangelpetro> well
[08:33] <archangelpetro> im kinda cautious
[08:33] <archangelpetro> i just got a ne wmachine with vista
[08:33] <archangelpetro> and im gonna resize its partition :p
[08:33] <archangelpetro> and install linux
[08:34] <Gaaston> well... 1: do the resize of the vista partition within vista
[08:34] <archangelpetro> ou can do that?
[08:34] <archangelpetro> lol
[08:34] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: don't worry, I didn't know you could do that either. :)
[08:34] <Gaaston> somewhere in control pannel, I don't know anymore
[08:34]  * Gaaston doesn't own a vista pc
[08:34] <archangelpetro> lol
[08:34] <Dr_willis> one of the few GOOD features of vista
[08:34] <Dr_willis> it can resize ntfs filesystems
[08:35] <archangelpetro> woo :p
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah, you can make partitions in Vista.
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> It's cool.
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> Don't remember how to use it though.
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> Haven't been over to the Vista side in a while...
[08:36] <archangelpetro> well, i'v wenever used i t:p
[08:36] <liammcdermott> I've been lucky enough to mostly avoid Vista so far.
[08:36] <Dr_willis> it uses you
[08:36] <archangelpetro> well i work in IT security :P im playing with vista
[08:36] <liammcdermott> Dr_willis: lol
[08:36] <archangelpetro> wel;l, that's the intention
[08:37] <liammcdermott> Doesn't Ubuntu 8.04 have SELinux included?
[08:38] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I though  i saw somemention of selinux, but i dont think its enabled by default
[08:38] <Strangelet> SKIM cannot detect any languages (the languages I have setup include English and Chinese), why is that?
[08:38] <Jucato> SELinux or AppArmor?
[08:38] <Jucato> liammcdermott: you can ask in #ubuntu+1 to be sure
[08:39] <archangelpetro> :P
[08:40] <liammcdermott> Ok, thanks. It was idle curiosity. Am not really bothered either way. :)
[08:40] <Dr_willis> heck - i dont even rember the diff tween selinux and apparmout.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> Those are thekind of things I normally just learn i have to disable for my games to work. :P
[08:44] <nu-evo> vg
[08:46] <archangelpetro> wwooo
[08:46] <archangelpetro> VISTA just resized the partiotion
[08:46] <archangelpetro> :p
[08:48] <Kubuntiac> I just love any feature in Vista that makes it easier to install Linux. Good job Microsoft! ;-)
[08:48] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: nice one. :)
[08:48] <liammcdermott> Kubuntiac: yeah, I'm pretty suprised at that. When it first came out though, didn't Vista hate having it's partition resized?
[08:48] <liammcdermott> I seem to remember a bunch of people having trouble with that.
[08:49] <Kubuntiac> Previous releases of winows did. Not sure about Vista
[08:50] <Sir_Corgi> I had to use Unetbootin to install my Kubuntu.
[08:50] <Sir_Corgi> Takes forever, but the end result is absolutely awesome:  Linux.  :)
[08:51] <liammcdermott> Sir_Corgi: 8.04 has something like that built-in
[08:51] <liammcdermott> Sir_Corgi: haven't tried it mind you.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> See, for some reason Live CDs don't work on my computer.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> I tried Wubi initially... then I found out it's just a virtual install.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> Then I found unetbootin.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> Worked awesome.
[08:52] <Jucato> (semi-virtual install... but what the heck...)
[08:53] <liammcdermott> Ooo-arr, what's the difference?
[08:53] <Sir_Corgi> I just wish it would save the iso somewhere so that the next time it installs, I don't have to let it sit there for three hours.
[08:55] <Sir_Corgi> What really set me off with Wubi is that you can't upgrade from within it very easily.
[09:05] <Dr_willis> what i dislike about wubi, is that it exists... :)
[09:06] <ere4si> hehe
[09:10] <Sir_Corgi> Dr_willis: agreed
[09:19] <archangelpetro> :)
[09:19] <archangelpetro> ok, so kubuntu is better :p
[09:19] <archangelpetro> than ubuntu?
[09:20] <Strangelet> SCIM fails to show any languages when I left click it, though the configuration clearly sees all of them, I cannot switch languages at all. What is the problem here?
[09:20] <Strangelet> *SKIM
[09:23] <m_> hello
[09:24] <belladonna_> does kubuntu use alsa or oss as default
[09:24] <m_> !list
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[09:25] <Strangelet> belladonna_: alsa,  believe
[09:25] <eagles0513875> hey guys been a while since ive been in here
[09:26] <eagles0513875> i have a random question what causes a pnp bios bug
[09:26] <eagles0513875> !nickname
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickname - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <eagles0513875> anyone in here this morning
[09:31] <eagles0513875> morning to all who just joined the channel
[09:38] <kraaner> tere
[09:38] <archangelpetro> morning
[09:38] <archangelpetro> :)
[09:38] <kraaner> kas siin eestlasi on kes aidata oskavad
[09:39] <kraaner> I have prob whit my estobuntu
[09:39] <Jucato> um. English please
[09:40] <kraaner> sorry.. just looked somebody who can help me... in estonian
[09:40] <Sir_Corgi> What is the language code for Estonian.
[09:40] <Sir_Corgi> Hmm..
[09:41] <Jucato> kraaner: #ubuntu-estonia
[09:45] <belladonna_> is it possible to have both oss and alsa installed without problems
[09:59] <lanoxx> in firefox in the download window, klicking on: open containing folder, or open does not work. does anyone know why?
[10:00] <Sir_Corgi> I just tried it on mine, and even though I'm in Kubuntu, it opens up File Browser, which is a GNOME application.
[10:01] <Sir_Corgi> It doesn't open using Dolphin.
[10:01] <ere4si> dolphin is a bit behind the other file managers
[10:04] <lanoxx> dolphin is bad
[10:05] <lanoxx> but konqueror is not that much better, linux really lacks a good file manager
[10:05] <lanoxx> they should copy the windows explorer to linux
[10:05] <llutz> muhahaha
[10:05] <lanoxx> is still the best filemanager is know
[10:05] <lanoxx> xD
[10:06] <ere4si> I think thunar is better
[10:06] <ere4si> :)
[10:09]  * kgoetz thinks explorer is hopeless
[10:09]  * JoshOvki things kgoetz is right
[10:09] <JoshOvki> *thinks
[10:09] <emonkey> kgoetz, +1
[10:09] <chinamann> hey guys...
[10:09] <Hamra> whats wrong with konqi? i find it really good as a file manager, but not as a web browser though
[10:09] <chinamann> looking for help on imapsync.
[10:10] <chinamann> anyone who can advise?
[10:14] <lanoxx> the biggest problem i see it that i can not have split view like in windows explorer, left is tree view and right is detailed view. then clicking on a folder in the tree opens its content in the right view
[10:14] <lanoxx> also the idea of having tabs in a file manager is slightly strange, that is a browser thing!!!!
[10:15] <snowolf> lanoxx: krusader
[10:15] <lanoxx> further more i belive a browser is not a file manager and these 2 funktions should be clearly sepperated.
[10:15] <JoshOvki> lanoxx: ummmm, you do know that Windows Explorer can also be used as a web browser dont you?
[10:15] <Sir_Corgi> Yep.
[10:15] <Sir_Corgi> It's linked to Internet Explorer.
[10:15] <lanoxx> i do, and i dont approve of it
[10:15] <JoshOvki> and it is acctualy based on IE, thats why i cant uninstall IE
[10:16] <snowolf> lanoxx: then use mc & lynx and everything will be fine
[10:16] <lanoxx> i would clearly like to disable that funktion and uninstall ie
[10:16] <lanoxx> what is mc & lynx?
[10:16] <snowolf> mc is a command line twin panel file manager
[10:16] <snowolf> and lynx is a pure browser, also command line
[10:17] <Sir_Corgi> My linux doesn't seem to like my built-in microphone.
[10:17] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: tried to play around with alsaconf? Mine doesn't like either, but after some time of playing around, stopped complaining and started working
[10:17] <JoshOvki> i dont think i have ever tryed to use my microphone
[10:18] <lanoxx> na, i like the cli but for browsing and filemanagement i prefere the gui
[10:18] <snowolf> for chatting? anyway, if you want a kde twin panel file manager you have krusader I believe
[10:18] <Sir_Corgi> I tried to type that into the Konsole, and it didn't work.
[10:18] <crazy_bus> my motherboard broke so I replaced it in my old pc.  All things seem  to work except usb.  When I plug things into the usb ports at the back nothing happens.  I'm pretty sure their enabled correctly in the bios.  What can I do?
[10:18] <lanoxx> cli should be for administration, and every where where you can speed up things that are faster down on the console that in gui, but its not for multimedia
[10:19] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: try with kde-mix, kde-mixer or something like that, unfortunately I'm not on kubuntu
[10:19] <snowolf> lanoxx: everything is faster in cli
[10:19] <Jucato> snowolf: KMix?
[10:19] <snowolf> could be
[10:20] <Jucato> er.. "kmix"
[10:20] <lanoxx> it surely is, but have you tried and played a youtube video on the cli?
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> Well, when I go intokKmix, it only gives me the settings "Capture" and "Digital"
[10:20] <snowolf> lanoxx: not really, I'm not much on youtube really
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> I completely screwed up half of that sentence.
[10:20] <snowolf> doesn't matter, its meaning got thru
[10:20] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: no switches tab?
[10:21] <Sir_Corgi> Switches gives me "Caller ID" and "Off-hook" and the only option under "Input Source" is Mic.
[10:21] <Sir_Corgi> It's weird.  I'm so used to seeing like "Line In" or "Line Out" or something.
[10:22] <snowolf> Caller ID? Off-hook? reaaaaaaaly weird
[10:22] <llutz> lanoxx: framebuffer-console + vlc-nox and  youtube shouldn't be a problem :)
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I'm trying to use a voice program in Wine.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I have everything set up but the microphone.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I just wish the company would come out with a Linux version, but they never will, despite the "coming soon" message on their website.
[10:23] <lanoxx> llutz: sounds cool
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> It has been "coming soon" for three years now.
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> Apparently.
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> From what I've read.
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> And something else... I find it strange that the Mic volume level is under the "Output" tab and not the "input" tab.
[10:24] <snowolf> no, the mic level in output
[10:24] <snowolf> means another thing
[10:24] <snowolf> it's only for the return in the headphones
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> Oh.
[10:25] <snowolf> the mic level is regulated by the mic boost in input
[10:25] <Sir_Corgi> Wouldn't that be funny if it works because I muted that?
[10:25] <Sir_Corgi> There is no "mic boost"
[10:26] <sigma_1234> is there a oxygen theme for kde3?
[10:26] <snowolf> think so
[10:27] <Hamra> i have mic boost in input and in output, lol
[10:27] <sigma_1234> where do i get it from?
[10:28] <snowolf> sigma_1234: no I checked, seems that there isn't but I'm not checking on kubuntu repositories you still have a chance
[10:28]  * snowolf for a moment didn't realized that kde 3.9 means kde 4 :)
[10:28] <Jucato> sigma_1234: nope. no backport of Oxygen widget style for KDE 3
[10:29] <Jucato> snowolf: hm?
[10:30] <snowolf> Jucato: just checked on mandriva's repositories, and it has both a oxygen 3.93 & 4.0.2 - didn't realized that 3.93 means 4 prefinal :)
[10:30] <Jucato> yeah. one of the alphas
[10:30] <Jucato> so it's not really 3.9 == 4... but 3.9 < 4 :)
[10:31] <snowolf> yeah I know, but definitively not KDE 3 :)
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> And I have made an interesting discovery...  o.O
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> It seems...
[10:31] <snowolf> yeah?
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> ... as though my microphone only works if I talk directly... into... the microphone jack...
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> o.O
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> I may need to buy an external microphone.
[10:32] <snowolf> what do you mean? you used it the wrong way around?
[10:32] <snowolf> aaaaaaaah
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> No.
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> I didn't do anything wrong.
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> I opened up sound recorder and tried to record my voice to test the microphone.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> And the only time it actually picked up my voice is when I talked directly into the microphone jack.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> It's an internal microphone.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> Just plain out weird.
[10:35] <Sir_Corgi> I used to have an external microphone somewhere....
[10:36] <Hamra> is the there a beta with kde 3.5 and a beta with kde4, or is it only one version of the beta currently?
[10:37] <Jucato> Hamra: 2 versions. one with KDE 3.5.9 and one with KDE 4.0.2 (or 4.0.3 soon)
[10:37] <Hamra> ok
[10:37] <snowolf> Hamra: I higly advise against using KDE4 as main desktop environment
[10:37] <snowolf> good for testing it, not for running it seriously
[10:40] <Hamra> im not really a serious user of linux, still learning it, i try to get every new program i find, and enjoy messing around with the system :P
[10:41] <snowolf> :)
[10:41] <snowolf> try fluxbox then
[10:41] <Hamra> !fluxbox
[10:41] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[10:41] <Hamra> cool, i'll try it out
[10:43] <Jucato> messing? KDE's the best.. so many options to mess around with (consequently, so many ways to turn your desktop into a mess too)
[10:44] <snowolf> Jucato: I agree, KDE rocks, but IMO one of the most enjoyable way to mess around is trying desktop environment
[10:44] <snowolf> but... well, I do *not* enjoying messing around
[10:50] <Hamra> lol, yeah, i mean once you get used to the system, you tend to try your best to keep it working well. i'm very careful with what i do on my windows, but that's after years and years of putting it together, maybe the same will happen here on kubuntu in some time :)
[10:50] <kirkt> hey ppl, what was the command to install MS fonts?
[10:52]  * snowolf points kirkt to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:52] <jpatrick> kirkt: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:54] <kirkt> thanks
[11:03] <jpatrick> snowolf: pm?
[11:07] <lanoxx> snowolf: can i switch the left panel of krusader to tree view?
[11:08] <snowolf> lanoxx: well, I have to check, but I guess so - I haven't used krusader in a long time
[11:08] <Sir_Corgi> Couldn't find the mic.
[11:08] <Sir_Corgi> Damn.  That means I have to buy a new one.  :(((
[11:11] <llutz> lanoxx: have you ever tried konqueror in detailed view + navigation (F9)
[11:11] <snowolf> lanoxx: no idea really, I just use two konquerors windows
[11:12] <lanoxx> yes, its not what i want. the problem is that the two views are allways seperated. double clicking on a folder should open the folder in the right panel now in the left one.
[11:13] <snowolf> ah well yeah
[11:13] <lanoxx> like its the case in windows explorer. left is the tree and right the viewer. when i select a folder in the tree, it is being opens on the right side
[11:14] <lanoxx> its strange that no body ever missed such a funktion in linux
[11:14] <llutz> lanoxx: that's exactly what navigation-view does
[11:15] <Hamra> the same effect of windows happens in konqueror, i mean the tree on the left and the view on right work together!
[11:15] <kgx> does anyone know if i can use xrandr to show screen is on which side? (ie, which one is on the left, and which is on the right?)
[11:17] <PhilRod> anyone else see the following problem in adept manager?: search for "build-essential" then expand the one entry that's found. The description changes from the right one to one describing cdparanoia
[11:17] <llutz> lanoxx: like this: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konqsh2.png
[11:19] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me get my usb ports to recognize their is something in them in kubuntu?
[11:19] <PhilRod> ah, seems to be something to do with the fact that it was trying to get the package off a (non-existent) CD. Works now with the CD source disabled
[11:19] <lanoxx> llutz: yeah thats what i want, could i make that default
[11:19] <lanoxx> ?
[11:21] <llutz> lanoxx: sure, save it to a profile
[11:22] <llutz> lanoxx: and btw, konq works this way since ages
[11:24] <lanoxx> guess i really have over seen this. but this is exactly what i want
[11:25] <llutz> pressing F9 does the trick :)
[11:26] <lanoxx> yeah, now how do i make konqueror the default file manager in kde
[11:26] <lanoxx> ?
[11:26] <llutz> and these 2 links help you to fix kubuntus crippled konqueror 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/69168/comments/5    2. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79941
[11:27] <lanoxx> thanks
[11:28] <llutz> lanoxx: konqueror -> Settings/Config Konq/File Associations -> inode - directory -> bring konqueror to 1st postition
[11:28] <llutz> or just remove d3plhin
[11:29] <jussi01> !dolphin
[11:29] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[11:29] <llutz> ah tks jussi01
[11:29] <jussi01> :)
[11:30] <lanoxx> that did the trick, thanks a lot
[11:30] <llutz> np
[11:30] <lanoxx> i gotta go fix dinner. i apprechiate your help
[11:30] <lanoxx> bye
[11:31] <llutz> lanoxx: and nver never say "explorer is better" again ;)
[11:32] <Sir_Corgi> haha
[11:42]  * cracko is away: Gone away for now.
[11:43] <jpatrick> !away > cracko
[11:46] <PhilRod> ooh, that's a nice script
[11:46] <jussi01> ?
[11:47] <jpatrick> PhilRod: once an auto_bleh lover, always an auto_bleh lover
[11:49] <PhilRod> ah, irssi
[11:49]  * jpatrick <3 irssi too
[11:49] <PhilRod> I've been hoping konversation would get some scripting ability so I could do that
[11:50] <jussi01> PhilRod: care to join us in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[12:01] <Jucato> PhilRod: bash and python scripts not enough for ya? :)
[12:02] <PhilRod> ah, that sounds familiar
[12:02] <jpatrick> Jucato: long live perl
[12:02] <PhilRod> you can run a python script that would have to talk to konversation via dcop, right?
[12:02] <Jucato> oh I think perl too. not sure
[12:02] <Jucato> yeah
[12:03] <Jucato> you can check /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts for samples
[12:18] <Jucato> !ghost
[12:18] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[12:26] <archangelpetro> kubuntu users can use the standard ubuntu repos right?
[12:27] <Jucato> archangelpetro: they don't really have any other choice :)
[12:27] <Jucato> kubuntu uses the same repos :)
[12:27] <archangelpetro> ah, i vaguely remember there being 'kubuntu' specific stuff
[12:27] <archangelpetro> btw, hi again jucato :) it's been too long
[12:28] <Jucato> yeah. too long :)
[12:28] <Jucato> well there's the kubuntu.org repo for KDE updates
[12:28] <archangelpetro> ok, and you'd recommend kubuntu over ubuntu?
[12:28] <Jucato> but lately we've been using a different system (PPA's)
[12:28] <archangelpetro> oh?
[12:28] <Jucato> well, since it's KDE, yes. I'd recommend Kubuntu over Ubuntu :)
[12:28] <archangelpetro> and with regard to stability etc?
[12:29] <archangelpetro> does kubuntu have all the add/remove program features of ubuntu?
[12:29] <Jucato> yep.
[12:29] <Jucato> it has now
[12:29] <archangelpetro> :0
[12:29] <Jucato> stability, as long as you stay away from KDE 4 for the meantime
[12:29] <archangelpetro> awesome
[12:29] <archangelpetro> ok, and the latest stable of kubuntu doestn have kde4, right?
[12:30] <snowolf> no
[12:30] <Jucato> not by default
[12:30] <Jucato> you can install it
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> 7.10? not by default,though you can get it from a PPA
[12:31] <archangelpetro> ok, ill get kubuntu :d
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !kdm
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !kdmtheme
[12:53] <ubotu> To customize your !KDM theme, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu - However, see http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/kdmtheme.html for working around bug #132723 (http://tinyurl.com/2prhgc)
[12:57] <archangelpetro> know of any free image burning software for windows?
[12:58] <Tecmi> archangelpetro: imgburn
[12:59] <Darkside> hey, i'm having a go with smbfs, and i'm working on setting up a smb share in fstab
[13:00] <Darkside> i don't want it to mount on boot tho, as i might not be connected to the correct network all the time
[13:00] <Darkside> /viper/ /home/darkside/viper/ smb user,noauto,username=guest,password=guest 0 0
[13:00] <Darkside> apart from having a double // at the start, is there anything else i should be putting on that line?
[13:08] <nick_> someone here ?
[13:08] <nick_> do he have a way to install .rpm in kubuntu
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> yes nick_
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> !rpm
[13:08] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[13:08] <Jucato> (too slow...)
[13:08] <nick_> because open office complete  and languauge pack is in .rpm
[13:09] <Sir_Corgi> You can install those from Adept, can't you?
[13:09] <Jucato> nick_: we have packages for OpenOffice
[13:09] <nick_> yes but its not the last version
[13:09] <Jucato> language packs too
[13:09] <nick_> ok i keep this one then
[13:09] <nick_> thanks
[13:09] <Sir_Corgi> He wants the very latest version.
[13:09] <Sir_Corgi> The one in Adept isn't.
[13:10] <Sir_Corgi> For some reason.
[13:10] <Sir_Corgi> Same way with Gimp, I think.
[13:10] <nick_> and for xfire how i can get in kubuntu ?
[13:10] <Jucato> at least not the one in Gutsy perhaps
[13:17] <nick_> someone know for xfire ?
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> nick
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> nick_: 2.4 didn't really add that many features
[13:28] <anais> gddddg
[13:29] <anais> hello
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> hello
[13:30] <reese> along with the new version of ubuntu in april, is a new version of kubuntu coming out?
[13:30] <jussi01> yes
[13:30] <jussi01> !khardy
[13:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[13:30] <reese> !khardy
[13:30] <reese> ok, thanks
[13:31] <anais> spanich
[13:32] <anais> hello
[13:32] <snowolf> hi anais
[13:32] <jussi01> anais: can we help you?
[13:33] <anais> hello
[13:33] <anais> yes
[13:33] <reese> another question: is there a generic way to restablish all initial configuration of a program?
[13:33] <snowolf> r
[13:33] <jussi01> reese: delete or rename the .programname folde
[13:33] <reese> if i reinstall a program, it will still have all old configuration
[13:34] <snowolf> reese: dpkg-reconfigure ?
[13:34] <reese> ok, thanks
[13:34] <anais> yes
[13:36] <anais> I no speak inglish
[13:36] <jussi01> anais: what language?
[13:36] <anais> spanish
[13:36] <jussi01> !es
[13:36] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:38] <filemover> hi im after the package that contains the which command can anyone help thanks
[13:38] <filemover> "which"
[13:39] <Jucato> filemover: try debianutils
[13:39] <filemover> ok thnx
[13:39] <rom> hi
[13:39] <rom> could you help me please? : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0
[13:45] <eldaria> Anybody here who is good at using Kivio?
[13:45] <filemover> your right jucato its in there. the reason i asked is because im running alsaconf and it complains about not finding "which" and I thought if I knew what package it came from Id be able to compile it in LFS anyway thnx for the help
[13:46] <Jucato> eldaria: you might find someone in #koffice
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> rom: add that line to the Mouse 0 section
[13:47] <eldaria> Jucato: ok, Thanks I will go and have a look there. :-)
[13:48] <rom> nosrednaekim: I tried
[13:48] <rom> doesn't work
[13:48] <rom> always "add SHMConfig true" when I launch gsynaptics
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> rom: in any case, since that is hardy, go to #ubuntu+1
[13:48] <rom> arf there is no #kubuntu+1
[13:49] <jpatrick> rom: it's #ubuntu+1
[13:49] <crazy_bus> does kde or kubuntu have a way to test if usb ports are detected.  My ports won't recognise anything thats put in them
[13:49] <rom> ;)
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: you sure? run lsusb
[13:49] <jpatrick> crazy_bus: try: dmesg after you pull it in
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: pull it in.... heh :)
[13:51] <jpatrick> plug it in
[13:51]  * jpatrick in middle of hardy upgrade
[13:52] <matt___> i have a "server" downstairs with no monitor hooked up to it, I was wondering if I could using something like (vnc?) to connect to it from upstairs to work on it.
[13:52] <crazy_bus> lsusb comes up with three devices such as Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000: 0000
[13:53] <crazy_bus> however there are only two usb ports on the back of this motherboard (old 2002 motherboard I just installed)
[13:54] <ere4si> matt__: I do that with vnc to a headless box
[13:54] <matt___> i have a "server" downstairs with no monitor hooked up to it, I was wondering if I could using something like (vnc?) to connect to it from upstairs to work on it. I simply am wondering how i could do this, and since I don't have a monitor hooked up downstairs (ok, I can hook one up to setup everything, but what about when i need to connect? will the computer downstairs need to "click" and "confirms"?
[13:54] <crazy_bus> jpatrick: dmesg says things like; usbcore:registered new interface driver usbfs; usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[13:55] <ere4si> !vnc | matt try reading this
[13:55] <ubotu> matt try reading this: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[13:55] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: and what does lsusb say?
[13:56] <matt___> kkeumm...thanks
[13:57] <matt___> ere4si: so can i use vncviewer in kde with no problems?
[13:57] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: lsusb comes up with three devices such as Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000: 0000
[13:58] <ere4si> matt__: sure - I was yesterday :)
[13:58] <nosrednaekim> but nothin attached to those busses?
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> for example
[13:59] <ere4si> matt__: there are plenty of guides on the net
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 062a:0000 Creative Labs Optical Mouse
[13:59] <ere4si> matt__: but feel free to ask questions here :)
[14:00] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: no they don't say anything like that even though there's a usb stick in one of the two ports
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: not good..... do you have any other usb devices that we can test with?
[14:01] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: four different memory sticks and a usb mouse
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> none of them are detected?
[14:02] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: no
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: is this a really really new computer?
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> (like past month, with top of the line Hardware)
[14:06] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: no.  Really old :)  It's my old computer which I have to used due to a faulty motherboard in the other one.  Motherboard was just installed but is from 2002
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> ah... is it  SIS?
[14:07] <andy__> hey anyone used ipodlinux?
[14:08] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: not sure what SIS is.  The motherboard is a MAINBOARD AK32 and has Spacewalker and via part
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> ah...VIA
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> sis is a chipset maker
[14:10] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: processor is AMD, graphics is ATI if that helps
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: could you pastebin the results of "lspci"\
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[14:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:14] <crazy_bus> the site is telling me I appear to be spamming and to enable javascript.  I thought konqueror didn't block javascript
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks