[08:23] <elcu> theoco: no idea on what it contains. sorry :-)
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file --  i am mark shuttleworth and i proununce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[08:23] <holycow> nickrud, i only see growing health for debian as a result of the whole Ubuntu initiative, the desktop is a particularly FINICKY area, a lot of polish is required, i am thoroughly impressed with the vision of mark shuttleworth
[08:23] <theoco> elcu: nevermind i found the package list :)
[08:23] <anon_> anyone know anything about mounting vfat partitions in ubuntu?
[08:23] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Ubuntu definatly bloomed into something big
[08:23] <theoco> elcu: yes it does
[08:23] <holycow> aneurin, for servers i intend on only using debian, it just makes sense, debian is like clay
[08:24] <Razor-X> Xyc0: a fabulous distro
[08:24] <Razor-X> no doubt about it
[08:24] <elcu> theoco: goodo :-)
[08:24] <anon_> anyone know anything about mounting vfat partitions in ubuntu?
[08:24] <holycow> aneurin, for desktop, i do use debian and have a pilot right now, but it requires a whole lot of polish i don't have the resources to support :/  desktop users are a wicked group of monkeys
[08:24] <holycow> aneurin, you should see what the dudes did to their user accounts :)
[08:24] <holycow> today they deleted all their work files
[08:24] <holycow> rofl :)
[08:24] <Razor-X> the first distro that doesen't fel like "You have to do everything" like Slackware or Gentoo, and not "We'll give everything and your mom, plus more" distros like Fedora and Knoppix
[08:24] <aneurin> holycow, hahaha but of course :)
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file --  i am mark shuttleworth and i proununce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> its a sound file
[08:25] <Razor-X> *feel
[08:25] <aneurin> holycow, but that tends to be an educational issue rather than entirely a technological one
[08:25] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you give your mom away with linux distros? doesn't she mind? :)
[08:25] <Xyc0> Razor-X: I ve been looking for a good distro that I can help convert M$ users over with
[08:25] <Xyc0> Razor-X: This one is it
[08:25] <Razor-X> Madpilot: sorry ;) one of those English idioms I have in my vocabulary from my parents when they moved
[08:25] <holycow> aneurin, actually its turning into an educational issue for me, total lockdown of the environment, and automated remote backups
[08:26] <nickrud> holycow, there is  not a thing I disagree with in your last statement, and, based on my admitidly trivial experience, nothing we can't expect in the future
[08:26] <Razor-X> *British English
[08:26] <Madpilot> Madpilot: no, i knew what you meant, just bugging you...
[08:26] <Razor-X> an old one, IIRC
[08:26] <holycow> nickrud, :) i'm am mildly worried about attracting these folks to use linux as their os in real life tho where there is no control
[08:27] <cyphase> does anyone know if Sabayon is going to be supported in breezy?
[08:27] <Razor-X> well, the thing about an 'elitist' distribution is the amount of control
[08:27] <holycow> they mean well, but you know, it's like letting a bull into a china shop
[08:27] <Razor-X> nickrud: he doesen't pay, as far as I know ;)
[08:27] <aneurin> holycow, yeah, I guess. lockdown where necessary, but educated users or some radical rethink of intuitive systems is needed
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> wherez that file --  i am mark shuttleworth and i proununce ubuntu ubuntu ?
[08:27] <holycow> aneurin, absolutely
[08:27] <nickrud> Razor-X, he's paying 3 that I know of, probably more
[08:27] <aneurin> holycow, I only wish I could field some solutions to this great and timeless dilemma
[08:27] <Razor-X> oh, really?
[08:27] <Razor-X> nice
[08:28] <k4rp0r> looks like its time to go to schooll...
[08:28] <k4rp0r> cya
[08:28] <Razor-X> school is another 9 hours away for me ;)
[08:28] <holycow> aneurin, when we rollout ubuntu on the desktop i will have an online tutorial dealy, some basic tips and tutorials, to give them at least some resources, i understand why they do the damage they do and its basically years of bad training under ms telling the consumer they are always right
[08:28] <nickrud> Razor-X, well, 2 because they put their faces on it, and one more I'll go on a limb for
[08:28] <holycow> aneurin, oh i think the great solution is a free online 'university'
[08:29] <holycow> ubuntus wiki is becoming a terrific resource for good information
[08:30] <holycow> aneurin, basically the knowledge in the ms world is filed underr 'the customer is alway right, even if they have no skills to actually administer a system'
[08:30] <holycow> the linux world right now is filed under 'well the information is out there, google it'
[08:30] <holycow> :)
[08:30] <Razor-X> I prefer the latter, meself
[08:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:30] <holycow> if one could figure out how to give away the knowledge in a structured manner and make it pay for it self ....
[08:30] <holycow> that could be cool
[08:31] <Razor-X> no, information shouldn't be assosciated with money
[08:31] <bob2> holycow: that's already happened in ubuntu
[08:31] <Razor-X> IMO, information should be totally free trade
[08:31] <aneurin> holycow, that's a pretty good point; learning to accept mistakes is essential to developing skills with a system and the MS attitude doesn't let that happen with infequent or general users. There really must be a way of integrating enough support to be accessible to the user, without swamping them
[08:31] <bob2> holycow: people update the wiki for free, and read it for free, hosting comes out of other profits, everyone wins
[08:31] <holycow> bob2, yes the wiki alone is fantastic, perhaps mark and you guys are up to something we don't know about :)
[08:31] <bob2> and it pays for itself
[08:32] <Razor-X> aneurin: and your quest, yong one, is to find this happy medium as 'Providence'
[08:32] <holycow> bob2, ah right, okay right i see, that is really that then
[08:32] <Razor-X> *known
[08:32] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:32] <seth> Is there a way to not have an application listed in the window listing for GNOME?
[08:32] <aneurin> Razor-X, hahaha, I'll make some coffee and get right on it ;)
[08:32] <bob2> holycow: what more do you want?
[08:32] <bob2> you seem to have an idea in mind
[08:32] <Amaranth> seth: If you're writing the app, yes.
[08:32] <bob2> you can tell the wm to ignore it
[08:32] <holycow> aneurin, maybe you didn't catch my post last night about the economics of open source ... lemme see if i can find it ...
[08:32] <bob2> presumably devilspie can
[08:32] <holycow> bob2, lol yes your right *nod*
[08:33] <seth> Amaranth, no, I just don't want X-Chat and gAIM listed since they are always running and always visible.
[08:33] <aneurin> holycow, this is my first expedition into this channel
[08:33] <Xyc0> Razor-X: Got it working, thanks a ton!
[08:33] <Shufla> hi
[08:33] <aneurin> holycow, I'd like to read it, most certainly
[08:33] <bob2> holycow: some sort of formalised faqomatic or such?
[08:33] <Xyc0> Razor-X:  Ghost in the Shell never looked better
[08:33] <holycow> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_03/market_force/
[08:33] <holycow> bob2, sounds like you read it :)
[08:33] <seth> bob2, I did a little research on my wireless card, and found out it is running on the atmel chipset, which has to support for kismet now. Only atmel_usb.
[08:34] <aneurin> holycow, thanks!
[08:34] <bob2> elcu: erk
[08:34] <bob2> er, seth
[08:34] <aneurin> holycow, I'm going to make a coffee and have a read of that
[08:34] <aneurin> afk for now
[08:34] <bob2> I had a atmel usb thing
[08:34] <holycow> aneurin, basically the article kinda says that open source is the result of the marketplace correcting it self, and one of the key options it now gives users is a range between no support, some support (irc, google), and total support via contract
[08:34] <bob2> I returned it
[08:34] <elcu> bob2: erk to you too!
[08:34] <holycow> and ubuntu basically hit the mark bullseye
[08:35] <holycow> aneurin, haha its long *nod*
[08:35] <_phate_> Anyone know how to speed up a network connection? I have 3Mbit down/ 1MBit up, yet when I run a speed test it says I only have a 92Kbps connection!
[08:35] <bob2> _phate_: ignore speed tests
[08:35] <_phate_> and when I test on a windows box it says I exceed my rated down/up
[08:35] <seth> bob2,  this is a PCMCIA card. I have another card, but it runs on the ACX111 chipset. Can't seem to find anything about it regarding kismet
[08:36] <Mosi> _phate_: Odds are good it's just link saturation, and you can't do anythign about that unless you want to run your own dedicated fiber line to wherever you're trying to connect to.
[08:36] <bob2> _phate_: use a real test, like how fast can you download an ubuntu iso?
[08:37] <_phate_> bob2: k one sec
[08:37] <g14> I've always found internal wireless cards to sniff much faster than PCMCIA I think it has something to do with the bus speed
[08:37] <pppoe_dude> whats the easiest way to disable a service from starting up automatically in ubuntu?
[08:38] <bob2> sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/whatever
[08:38] <_phate_> bob2: 92Kbps a second
[08:38] <Shufla> pppoe_dude: chmod u-x /etc/init.d/service
[08:38] <bob2> Shufla: that's a bad solution
[08:38] <pppoe_dude> is there something like the service manager in fedora?
[08:39] <Swelly> When i installed ubuntu it asked me for a password i'm sure i'm typing the same password it never lets me in. can i go back and change this somehow or must i reinstall again ?
[08:39] <Shufla> bob2: _fastest_ :D i use update-rc.d, but it's destroyed by package update
[08:39] <pppoe_dude> n/m
[08:39] <krappie> ;o
[08:39] <Mosi> Swelly: Do you have root access?
[08:39] <bob2> Shufla: right, hence my suggestion, which isn't broken by updates ;)
[08:39] <Swelly> no it never asked me for a root password
[08:39] <Swelly> lol
[08:39] <Mr_T> has anyone managed to get irda to work in hoary?
[08:39] <Mosi> Swelly: So you can't log in at all?
[08:39] <_phate_> Swelly, there is no root password
[08:40] <Swelly> nope
[08:40] <bob2> Swelly: reboot, and get into the grub menu
[08:40] <raia> hello
[08:40] <bob2> Swelly: choose "recovery" or "rescue" or whatever it's called
[08:40] <pppoe_dude> can i rename it to, say _S20powernowd instead of deleting it?
[08:40] <_phate_> Swelly, see ubuntuguide.org its got a section on this kinda thing
[08:40] <Mosi> Swelly: Or just boot in single-user mode
[08:40] <raia> my warty is not shutting down
[08:40] <bob2> pppoe_dude: if you want
[08:40] <Mosi> Raia: Did you try "sudo init 0"?
[08:40] <bob2> pppoe_dude: there's no real advantage to that, tho
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> or is everything in /etc/rc2.d a symlink?
[08:41] <bob2> raia: how old is the computer?
[08:41] <raia> no
[08:41] <_phate_> raia: Warty? You should upgrade to Hoary
[08:41] <raia> but when i want to shut down is not working
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> im a bit noobish... sorry didnt mention that
[08:41] <bob2> raia: how old is the computer?
[08:41] <raia> i dont want to upgrade
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _phate_ might not be that easy :P
[08:41] <bob2> pppoe_dude: they're all symlinks, right
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> ok
[08:41] <bob2> pppoe_dude: the real scripts are in /etc/init.d/
[08:41] <raia> is not so old
[08:42] <bob2> raia: ... how old is it?
[08:42] <pppoe_dude> cool
[08:42] <raia> yesterday i had xp and it was shutting
[08:42] <bob2> I can't tell you how to fix it unti lyou tell me this
[08:42] <Mosi> Raia: When you want to shutdown, until you get it fixed so it works right you should just be able to do "sudo init 0" and bring the system down. better than nothing.
[08:42] <bob2> please just answer the question
[08:42] <bob2> Mosi: that's not the problem
[08:42] <bob2> the problem is that he/she hasn't enabled apm or acpi support
[08:42] <nickrud> pppoe_dude, read man update-carefullly, it 'the debina way'
[08:42] <pppoe_dude> i think i solved my problem... or at least one of them...
[08:42] <bob2> if he/she tells me how old it is, I can tell them which to use and it will be fixed
[08:42] <Mosi> bob2: I know, i'm just saying until she can fix it, that should work
[08:42] <pppoe_dude> i'll be back... gotta restart
[08:42] <nickrud> pppoe_dude, read man update-rc,d 'carefullly, it 'the debina way'
[08:43] <pppoe_dude> k
[08:43] <Mosi> whoops, looks like she tried it... heh
[08:43] <nickrud> it's late , igonrre tyypos please
[08:43] <bob2> how annoying
[08:43] <Mosi> bob2: sorry
[08:43] <bob2> oh, not you
[08:43] <_phate_> bob2, my download for a hoary iso is 96Kbps for Ubuntu, and 510Kbps for my windows box, so its something to do with ubuntu
[08:43] <wassim> Hallo
[08:44] <bob2> _phate_: maybe the mtu is too high
[08:44] <_phate_> bob2, how do I change that?
[08:44] <bob2> _phate_: did you fiddle it on windows?
[08:44] <_phate_> bob2, nope
[08:45] <Shufla> feeded :D
[08:47] <raia> is not working
[08:47] <Mosi> raia: I assume that worked?
[08:47] <Mosi> oh, never mind
[08:47] <bob2> raia: how. old. is. it?
[08:47] <raia> 2 years
[08:47] <bob2> yay
[08:47] <raia> 3
[08:47] <Mosi> Raia: bob2 seems to know what the problem is, i can't help you with power management problems.
[08:47] <bob2> in future, it's way way way way less obnoxious if you just answer
[08:47] <Shufla> raia: lsmod | egrep acpi\|apm
[08:48] <bob2> raia: so, "sudo modprobe ac" and run "sudo shutdown -h now" and it should power down
[08:48] <_phate_> bob2, any ideas?
[08:49] <raia> raia@10:~ $ sudo modprobe ac
[08:49] <raia> Password:
[08:49] <raia> FATAL: Error inserting ac (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.ko): No such device
[08:49] <JosephSpiros> So, I'm running Hoary, and I just installed VLC
[08:49] <bob2> raia: sudo rmmod apm
[08:49] <JosephSpiros> and I'm sure the answer is staring me in the face
[08:49] <JosephSpiros> But, erm, how do I get sound working?
[08:49] <bob2> wassim: do not /msg me
[08:50] <bob2> JosephSpiros: configure it to use esd
[08:50] <raia> raia@10:~ $ sudo rmmod apm
[08:50] <JosephSpiros> It complains about /dev/dsp not working
[08:50] <raia> ERROR: Module apm does not exist in /proc/modules
[08:50] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[08:50] <JosephSpiros> bob2: OK
[08:50] <Swelly> There is an updates thing in my "system tray" i cant update as it says it's unable to get exclusive lock :( how can i fix this ?
[08:50] <g14> Swelly: Do you already have synaptic open?
[08:50] <bob2> raia: guess you don't have acpi then.  sudo modprobe apm
[08:50] <Swelly> not that i know of :(
[08:50] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, you probably need vlc-esd or some such
[08:50] <Shufla> Swelly: ps axu | egrep apt-get\|synaptic\|dselect
[08:51] <raia> wicth do i have to do what?
[08:51] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: yeah, vlc-plugin-esd looks like what I need
[08:51] <JosephSpiros> I tried vlc-plugin-alsa and didn't see esd
[08:51] <bob2> raia: sudo modprobe apm
[08:51] <Shufla> raia: go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste your dmesg there.
[08:51] <bob2> raia: do not /msg me
[08:51] <raia> k
[08:52] <Swelly> Shufla, it's come up with a process running... does that mean it is updating its self ?
[08:52] <jansen> bob2 help,i'm using the firefox install the flash plugin had failure!
[08:52] <bob2> yes, the flash player is crap
[08:52] <Shufla> Swelly: hm. paste effect to pastebin.com
[08:52] <Madpilot> has anyone got lmsensors to work w/ an ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe? either w/ xsensor or ksensors?
[08:52] <Mosi> jansen: I have flash player plugin problems in Firefox fairly regularly, it's just the wya it is
[08:52] <Swelly> sorry in english ? :o
[08:52] <Swelly> i'm newbie ;)
[08:53] <Shufla> Swelly: paste what gives you ps axu... to pastebin.com and put link here.
[08:53] <jansen> Mosi how?
[08:53] <_phate_> what did _ZOOMCITIEScom_ do?
[08:53] <Mosi> jansen: How what, how does it mess up?
[08:54] <Mosi> _phate_: probably jsut a bot
[08:54] <bob2> _phate_: it's a bot, which looks very spammish to me
[08:54] <jansen> Mosi need manual install
[08:54] <pablo928>  Madpilot, i have lm sensors working with a
[08:54] <bob2> er, "a bot that looks very spammish"
[08:54] <nickrud> damn, you're quick
[08:55] <Mosi> jansen: Sorry, come again? i don't understand what you're saying
[08:55] <mpm> any idea what tools I could use to analyze why I'm unable to access a given IP/url from home?  I can access it at work, but from this home machine I can't even ping it!
[08:55] <Shufla> mpm: mtr -n ip
[08:55] <Mosi> mpm: I assume you made sure it isn't a firewall issue?
[08:55] <mpm> I can ssh and load it in lynx via a shell account, but not directly; no Mosi, although I tried /etc/init.d/firestarter stop" is that right?
[08:55] <jansen> Mosi i wanna install the firefox plugin flash automatically,but i can't
[08:56] <Madpilot> pablo928: so can you share the trick needed?
[08:56] <Mosi> jansen: I'm not much for installing plugins, i dunno what to tell you
[08:56] <Shufla> nice rev :)
[08:56] <toby> Shufla, here's the link http://pastebin.com/286848
[08:56] <holycow> does anyone know how to recover deleted files from a reiser partition? i did this once, i basically need to recover all data from /deb/hdb1 and have them placed in a folder on my master hd on /dev/hda2?
[08:57] <holycow> reiserfsck --rebuild tree does not seem to have a source / destination flag option
[08:57] <Shufla> toby: ahh. you have nothing running. that grep commands just found itself.
[08:57] <mpm> Mosi:  how would you assure that it's not a firewall issue?
[08:57] <toby> ok :(
[08:58] <Mosi> mpm: i'm not good enough to hand you a command for it without knowing more about what your setup is like, Shufla gave you a command, try that
[08:59] <Shufla> toby: sudo  fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:59] <jansen> Mosi where can i get the opera
[08:59] <mpm> Yes I'm trying it; I don't see any results; it is a blank dataless report
[08:59] <mpm> thanks for thinking on it for me :-)
[08:59] <raia> bob2 thanks
[08:59] <toby> Shufla, /var/lib/dpkg/lock:   8017
[08:59] <raia> worked
[08:59] <Shufla> toby: great. now sudo kill 8017
[09:00] <pppoe_dude> ok, why can't I do the following: "sudo echo 1000000 > scaling_max_freq"? it gives me permission denied
[09:00] <Mosi> jansen: opera.com :)
[09:00] <bob2> raia: now add apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[09:00] <bob2> pppoe_dude: because your shell isn't running as root
[09:00] <Mosi> mpm: Are you behind a hardware firewall?
[09:00] <bob2> pppoe_dude: echo 1000000| sudo tee scaling_max_freq
[09:00] <toby> ok now what ?
[09:00] <Shufla> toby: run synaptic.
[09:00] <pppoe_dude> whats the "tee"?
[09:01] <bob2> pppoe_dude: it redirects the output to that file as root
[09:01] <mpm> Mosi: only a linksys router; not a true firewall
[09:01] <Shufla> pppoe_dude: man tee. great workaround for sudo
[09:01] <seth> Hey bob2, quick question. In the kismet config, it says the syntax for the sources is source=cardtype,interface,name. I'm not sure what to put for cardtype and name. I've tried atmel for cardtype because that is the chipset, but it says unknow capture type.
[09:01] <pppoe_dude> ok cool... looks like it worked
[09:01] <bob2> seth: dude
[09:01] <toby> still has exclusive lock error
[09:01] <bob2> seth: there are examples
[09:01] <bob2> seth: just try them all
[09:02] <bob2> one at a time
[09:02] <Shufla> toby: again sudo fuser...
[09:02] <Mosi> mpm: It sounds to me like you've either got some weird rule on your linksys router that's blocking all traffic from that url somehow, maybe not that url specifically but the return port, or an address block. Either that or maybe the URL is down, did you ahve someone else try visiting it?
[09:02] <toby> SAME 8017
[09:02] <toby> sorry caps
[09:02] <Shufla> toby: sudo kill 8017 - what it says?
[09:03] <toby> it says nothing
[09:03] <pppoe_dude> so if i had activated my root account, the first thing i tried should work right?
[09:03] <mpm> Mosi it's been down for the last week but only from home; at work it's fine, I haven't set the linksys up with anything special except wpa for wireless; this comp is via ethernet though;
[09:03] <mpm> and like I mentioned, I can access it via ssh/lynx
[09:04] <Shufla> toby: ops... something has locked. try to kill it few times, than: sudo kill -9 8017
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> thanks!! brb
[09:04] <toby> kill -9 worked
[09:04] <toby> thanks
[09:05] <holycow> http://www.antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments  <-- checkout this clever way to recover data on a reiserfs half way down
[09:05] <Mosi> mpm: this is pretty obvious but i have to ask... you can ping other sites, right?
[09:05] <jansen> Mosi op8 is qt engine?
[09:05] <holycow> the dude first creates an image file of the diver, mounts the image file, and does reiserfsck rebuild-tree on that
[09:05] <holycow> nice
[09:05] <NXTG_Jonathan> QUESTION: WIFI: D-LINK-G650    Linux driver neded   ---   anyone?
[09:05] <mpm> yes mosi; I can ping all sites but this one <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <Mosi> jansen: Opera uses it's own engine i believe.
[09:05] <NXTG_Jonathan> needed ;)
[09:05] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: don't use caps, and try to use sentences
[09:05] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: google found nothing?
[09:06] <Shufla> mpm: sudo iptables -vnL and paste it to pastebin
[09:06] <NXTG_Jonathan> nothing found
[09:06] <mpm> mosi sadly, i'm also in charge of admin a work-related site hosted at that domain =P
[09:06] <Mosi> mpm: you can ping it from work?
[09:06] <mpm> with no problem, yes
[09:06] <Encrypted> NXTG_Jonathan, not prism54.org ?
[09:06] <mpm> http ftp ping whatever it all works from work or via ssh mosi
[09:06] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: er, I guess you got redirected to some sort of broken google, I got 32 600 hits
[09:07] <Shufla> mpm: !! check your fw !!
[09:07] <Razor-X> woooohoooo!!!!
[09:07] <raia> does anybody installed valknut?
[09:07] <Mosi> mpm: i'm afraid i'm not wizard enough to think of anything else. Unless there's some firewall weirdness on the firewall at the other end targetting your home address blocik, which seems unlikely.
[09:07] <Razor-X> something has finished downloading!!!!
[09:07] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: dlink even has a website talking about their linux drivers for it
[09:07] <slak> HI CIRCLE OF NIGGERS!
[09:07] <jansen> Mosi libqt3c102-mt need
[09:07] <Razor-X> slak: what you bout wha boi?
[09:08] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:08] <bob2> slak: please read the code of conduct
[09:08] <slak> sorry i dont speak leroy
[09:08] <mpm> thank you mosi; I actually emailed the it guy at that ip and he wasn't sure either; I'll get it eventually, thanks for the attention!
[09:08] <Cwiiis> After a recent update in breezy, all shortcuts in gtk applications perform the same action - firefox is unaffected - Anyone have any ideas?
[09:08] <Mosi> jansen: that wasn't my command, lol, that was Shufla.  ;D
[09:10] <NXTG_Jonathan> must been said: ChatZilla is easy to use :)
[09:10] <count0nz> Shufla, I belive so yes
[09:10] <Madpilot> windows doesn't have half-dressed folks on the cover
[09:10] <mpm> oh I got my Ubuntu CD's in the mail today!!!   I was thinking you meant donate so that they would loan them out like they do with audio cds
[09:13] <Shufla> Kimppa: man 5 crontab
[09:13] <Mosi> I hand them out in class at my community college. and in the linux/cisco lab
[09:13] <count0nz> I belive so
[09:13] <g14> NXTG_Jonathan: Yep, mark shuttleworth has lots of money :)
[09:14] <bob2> canonical is paying for it, not mark (directly)
[09:14] <count0nz> Good Publicity for them too
[09:14] <mpm> hehe Mosi I handed homemade ubuntu cd's in my city college linux class; hadn't received the real ones yet
[09:14] <NXTG_Jonathan> it's crazy and i love it :)
[09:14] <g14> bob2: Is canonical public or private?
[09:14] <bob2> g14: private
[09:14] <Shufla> no. it's not crazy. it's "world domination" :D
[09:15] <count0nz> NXTG_Jonathan, Hugs his Box's
[09:15] <nickrud> mpm, I knew my local librarian, and when she told me they were taken out (off the desk) in less than two hours, I believed her.
[09:15] <jansen> Shufla u are a girl?
[09:15] <Shufla> jansen: nope.
[09:15] <mpm> oh nice nickrud
[09:15] <jansen> Shufla hehe
[09:15] <jansen> Shufla help,i'm use the beep-media-player
[09:16] <nickrud> mpm, I live in california, the perfect place :) lol
[09:16] <Shufla> jansen: sorry, do not know that.
[09:16] <Mosi> I should order like a crate full and just distribute them all over town. i live in Santa Cruz, CA, lots of linux geeks and potential linux geeks here :)
[09:16] <NXTG_Jonathan> here in belgium i'd like to put all the windows-users on a linux OS cause,... , i have none good experience with any windows version. The problem for most windows users is the fear of being uncompatible with other users and most of all, the belgian low-level users are afraid of the installation gui of ubuntu
[09:17] <Kpjas> Hi trying to upgrade to Firefox 1.0.4 through synaptic I'm getting serious security waning. I believe I can safely ignore it, right ?
[09:17] <NXTG_Jonathan> is their a chance that someday, ubuntu will work with a install-gui, like fedora?
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Mosi: The potentials are way more important... the Linux geeks know about Ubuntu anyway. I converted 3 or 4 guys who used Windows before in my university ;)
[09:17] <Madpilot> NXTG_Jonathan: U is easier to instal than XP...
[09:17] <mpm> mosi I lived in Santa Cruz last year :-)
[09:17] <Kpjas> hi Shufla
[09:17] <nickrud> NXTG_Jonathan, it's the same here, show them the live cd
[09:17] <Shufla> Kpjas: hi :D
[09:17] <bob2> Kpjas: please don't install "backports"
[09:17] <holycow> NXTG_Jonathan, yes
[09:17] <bob2> NXTG_Jonathan: yes, it's being planned
[09:17] <NXTG_Jonathan> nickrud: where's here?
[09:17] <holycow> NXTG_Jonathan, the current installer actually has the capability for gui install
[09:17] <holycow> NXTG_Jonathan, its just not built yet
[09:17] <Kpjas> bob2: why ?
[09:17] <count0nz> Live CD's Rock
[09:17] <Tomcat_> bob2: Why not install backports?
[09:17] <Razor-X> dude!!!!11!!!!111
[09:18] <bob2> Kpjas: because they'll cause you problems later
[09:18] <Razor-X> something is finished!!!!!11!!!!
[09:18] <bob2> Tomcat_: because they're very poorly made
[09:18] <qko> please help...how I know which is my kernel version?
[09:18] <Kpjas> bob2: what else then ?
[09:18] <bob2> qko: uname -r
[09:18] <Shufla> Kpjas: http://ubuntu.pl/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=424
[09:18] <Razor-X> now time to finish the project as damn fast as I can
[09:18] <count0nz> Razor-X,  :( lol
[09:18] <qko> thanks
[09:18] <Razor-X> so I can watch something
[09:18] <bob2> Kpjas: just get the tarball from mozilla.org if you really think you need it
[09:18] <Madpilot> Razor-X: that's the 2nd time you've said that. downloading much pron tonight?
[09:18] <Madpilot> :>
[09:18] <Madpilot> :)
[09:18] <Razor-X> Madpilot: much much better
[09:18] <count0nz> LOL mins not even started.. must go search :)
[09:18] <nickrud> NXTG_Jonathan, california, USA, but I swear to god, all windows users are the same
[09:19] <Madpilot> Razor-X: pirate SWIII?
[09:19] <Shufla> Kpjas: afair (but still not sire) that fixes (from 1.0.4) are incorporated in package without bumping version. i'm _not_ sure.
[09:19] <count0nz> oh it started lol
[09:19] <Razor-X> Madpilot: *cough*
[09:19] <NXTG_Jonathan> nickred, yes the are, if it comes to using computers, they buy the worst
[09:19] <count0nz> Wish had   a real connection lol
[09:19] <Kpjas> Shufla: thx will see
[09:19] <mpm> bob2 if I wanted to edit backports Out of  my sources.list, how would I uninstall the things I'd installed in the meantime?
[09:19] <Razor-X> i've read the book, now i'm gonna watch something
[09:19] <Madpilot> Razor-X: right...nevermind... forget i even asked!
[09:19] <Razor-X> then i'm gonna go and watch it in the theaters
[09:20] <bob2> weazle: /win64
[09:20] <nickrud> Tomcat_, don't put anything on your system that isn't gpg signed, at least you'll know who to blame
[09:20] <bob2> bah
[09:20] <Tomcat_> nickrud: I haven't installed anything unsigned so far. :o
[09:20] <NXTG_Jonathan> i heared somewhere that windows 2003 was hacked in 3 day's, osx in 3 months and linux in 3,5 months. confirm this and make me happe :d
[09:20] <NXTG_Jonathan> :D
[09:20] <nickrud> Tomcat_, wise
[09:21] <Tomcat_> But I did install some things from backports that aren't available in Ubuntu, that's why I asked why they were bad. :o
[09:21] <Shufla> NXTG_Jonathan: there was such plot, but it's not issue.
[09:21] <Tomcat_> Like w32codecs, msfonts and stuff.
[09:21] <mindspin> hi, where do I set default boot (xp boots after x seconds wait) in grub ?
[09:21] <Razor-X> mindspin: lemme help ya
[09:21] <Tomcat_> mindspin: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:21] <Razor-X> first, in your favorite editor open up /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:22] <Shufla> mindspin: beware! some portions of menu.lst are autoupdated.
[09:22] <nickrud> Tomcat_, heh, that's a grey area right now, marillat & such, next iteration should have more clarity
[09:22] <count0nz> Don't you love it there falling over them selfs to help you
[09:22] <Razor-X> ahhh, forget it
[09:22] <mindspin> i know the path, but where in menu.lst do I have to add the changes?
[09:22] <Razor-X> too hyper with satisfaction an caffeine
[09:22] <mindspin> in lilo its just the first entry
[09:22] <Razor-X> mindspin: the command is defaut x
[09:23] <silic0n-jesus> ok... so I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe with an AMD 64 3400+ and i can install ubuntu, but once it extracts all the packages (that part that takes forever...), it just hangs and reboots my computer right as it says it was loading Gnome... any ideas?? PLEASE HELP!
[09:23] <Razor-X> where x is the entry #
[09:23] <seth> Hey bob2. I tried it with the orinoco line, and it doesn't give me that error anymore, but now it is saying I need to patch my orinoco drivers, but the thing is, it's not an orinoco card.
[09:23] <Razor-X> the first entry is 0
[09:23] <bob2> indeed
[09:23] <bob2> so keep trying
[09:23] <Razor-X> and then, add a line called timeout x
[09:23] <count0nz> i'll help more later too just kinds jaded right now
[09:23] <Razor-X> where x is the amount of seconds in which you want it to auto-boot
[09:23] <count0nz> need some food :) mmmm food
[09:23] <Razor-X> you can also hidemenu, if you don't want the menu to be seen
[09:23] <Shufla> ok
[09:23] <Shufla> i've got to work, byebye :D
[09:23] <Razor-X> orrr.... hiddenmenu
[09:23] <Razor-X> not sure, check the GRUB docs ;)
[09:24] <Razor-X> sorry, i'm a bit keyed
[09:24] <silic0n-jesus> ok... so I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe with an AMD 64 3400+ and i can install ubuntu, but once it extracts all the packages (that part that takes forever...), it just hangs and reboots my computer right as it says it was loading Gnome... any ideas?? PLEASE HELP!
[09:24] <silic0n-jesus> im serious... im loosing my mind without a box
[09:24] <Tomcat_> silic0n-jesus: No need to repeat so quickly. :o
[09:25] <Razor-X> neeed.... to.... watch... something
[09:25] <nickrud> Razor-X, I'm sure there's a TV in the background :)
[09:25] <Razor-X> nickrud: I don't have a DVD burner on this machine
[09:25] <Razor-X> nor, free DVD disks
[09:26] <Razor-X> I'm a gonna have to borrow it from someone
[09:26] <mindspin> Ok, I wanna answer a question of a friend, I'm not running xp here anyway, but he likes to boot his xp and ubuntu on demand
[09:26] <nickrud> ooh, I can't watch, a legal activity is occuring under my nose
[09:26] <seth> silic0n-jesus, did you try other media? Maybe the disk is buggered.
[09:26] <Razor-X> mindspin: if Ubuntu is installed correctly, it should auto-detect the WinXP partition, and add it to the boot menu
[09:27] <NXTG_Jonathan> is theire an x under development that is a havy competition to aqua (mac)? Some guy from india said KDE is going for it.
[09:27] <Razor-X> nickrud: eh?
[09:27] <mindspin> where has the windows part to be written down in menu.lst?
[09:27] <Razor-X> mindspin: anywhere, really
[09:27] <Razor-X> read the menu.lst, the comments are great
[09:27] <nickrud> Razor-X, a joke, copying a dvd has to be legal somewhere
[09:27] <Razor-X> and, read the docs
[09:27] <mindspin> ok it should work because he asked me that. ;-)
[09:27] <silic0n-jesus> seth: thats what i thought too, but i tried another copy of the 32 bit version and that didnt work either
[09:27] <Razor-X> nickrud: oh, hehe
[09:27] <Razor-X> i'm about to rip the thin t-shirt i'm wearing
[09:28] <Razor-X> i'm losing my sanity!!!!
[09:28] <count0_food> Saw Ep2 on Tv the other day lol
[09:28] <silic0n-jesus> razor-x: join the club
[09:28] <Razor-X> shaddap!!!!!!
[09:28] <silic0n-jesus> ?
[09:28] <mindspin> Razor anywhere haha, and where do I select the default system to be booted?
[09:29] <Razor-X> damned science project!
[09:29] <Razor-X> mindspin: at the beginning
[09:29] <Razor-X> well, it was my idea to take a Junior course in my Freshman year
[09:30] <count0_food> The Windows stuff is on line 35
[09:30] <count0_food> # examples
[09:30] <count0_food> #
[09:30] <count0_food> # title         Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[09:30] <count0_food> # root          (hd0,0)
[09:30] <count0_food> # makeactive
[09:30] <count0_food> # chainloader   +1
[09:30] <eater773> why is it apt command give me a error "command not found" ???!!! need help again...
[09:30] <hhurtta> eater773: because its apt-get?
[09:30] <mindspin> Razor to get you right, I just have to make sure, that the entry for xp is the first after the default entries ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> mindspin: here's how it works
[09:31] <riply> can i read the man pages online ? cause i have this shitty mandrake all in spanish!
[09:31] <Razor-X> in the beginning of the document, add in a line that says default x
[09:31] <mindspin> just like lilo hehe
[09:31] <weazle> bob2: win64 wtf
[09:31] <Mosi> Riply: lol
[09:31] <Razor-X> where x is the entry number
[09:31] <count0_food> riply, prob for U ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> there should be a commented line in there, or uncommented, not sure which, that already starts with default
[09:32] <riply> it's true! all in spanish and bad translation too
[09:32] <Razor-X> then, when you go to the section wit the entries, the first entry is automatically defined teh number "0"
[09:32] <eater773> hhurta .> yap... i use "apt -get -install <program>" ... error ... " bash: apt: command not found" ...
[09:32] <Mosi> Is anyone here familiar with trying to run World of Warcraft on ubuntu?
[09:32] <Razor-X> eater773: apt-get, no space between apt and -get
[09:32] <riply> "el mezclador de .. no se que " lol
[09:32] <hhurtta> eater773: its not apt -get but apt-get
[09:32] <seth_> bob2, got it working. Just grabbed my acx100 card, and used the acx100source.
[09:32] <count0_food> http://linux.ctyme.com/
[09:32] <count0_food> Linux man pages
[09:33] <riply> kk
[09:33] <raia> bob2 look what i find:after i shut down the next shut down i have to sudo modprobe apm back
[09:33] <bob2> raia: yes, you ignored what I said
[09:33] <bob2> 17:00:10 @         bob2 | raia: now add apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[09:33] <Kpjas> re
[09:34] <bob2> shockingly, things don't work when you don't set it up to work
[09:34] <seth_> What is the code to deactivate a network connection?
[09:34] <bob2> sudo ifdown ethN
[09:34] <seth_> Alrighty.
[09:34] <IIIEARS>         lol - Wa? you can't "Improvise?"
[09:35] <EricNeon> hello~
[09:35] <seth_> And to reactivate it? Writing a script.
[09:35] <seth_> ifup?
[09:35] <EricNeon> I'm be back
[09:35] <eater773> hhurta>> ok.... so i use "apt-get -install <program> .. error " i" command line option...
[09:35] <bob2> seth_: yes
[09:35] <seth_> Cool.
[09:35] <Kpjas> I've got a small prob some application instaled from Add-on CD can be actually used because dialog boxes have black bgr so black lettering on black bgr What gives ?
[09:35] <bob2> eater773: yes, it's install, not -install
[09:35] <IIIEARS> you have to follow the instructions bob2 gives everytime :0
[09:35] <raia> hello
[09:35] <hhurtta> don't use '-' before install
[09:35] <bob2> Kpjas: talk to whoever made the cd
[09:36] <Kpjas> a guy from Kuala Lumpur
[09:36] <NXTG_Jonathan> \exit
[09:36] <Kpjas> the apps are xmms amule
[09:36] <riply> count0_food, thanks that was what i was lookin for !
[09:37] <count0_food> riply, kewl :)
[09:37] <RatDude2> hi ppl
[09:37] <Kpjas> bob2: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[09:38] <eater773> hhurta... ok.... testing
[09:38] <bob2> Kpjas: yes, talk to them
[09:38] <bob2> Kpjas: it has nothing to with ubuntu itself
[09:38] <Rat123> i cant get the defualt gateway device eth0 to staick after a restart
[09:38] <Kpjas> bob2: i see
[09:38] <Rat123> any1 help plz?
[09:38] <bob2> Rat123: you need to put it in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:40] <seth_> With bash scripting, how do I get it to not echo anything other then what I tell it to?
[09:40] <Anubis> starting to hate nautilus
[09:41] <count0_food> seth usaly >/dev/null or >%2 etc
[09:41] <seth_> For example, I just made a script to kill wlan0 and rebring it up. It is showing me everything it is doing, and all I want it to show me is what I told it to echo. It shows what I asked it to, I just don't want to see the other things.
[09:42] <count0_food> seth, look in /etc/init.d/xxxxx and see how thay do there scripts %>2 or something have to man bash
[09:42] <Rat123> where is the /etc/network/interfaces do i add the defualt gatway
[09:42] <engin> i use ubuntu honary amd64bit// my firefox version is 1.02 how can update it?
[09:43] <Mosi> Rat123: It would be in /etc/network...
[09:43] <yahalom> what is the app that records my key strokes so that i can know the code? in order to use it with xmodmap?
[09:43] <count0_food> engin, Don't panic 1.02 is more secure than 1.04 right now there is a security fix in works
[09:45] <engin> but many times when i want to surf in the net; i write the adress but it always goes to bbcnews:)
[09:45] <Rat123> where do i add a defualt gateway in the network file ?
[09:45] <engin> i want to go different web sites
[09:45] <engin> :)
[09:46] <Madpilot> engin: if this were windows, you'd have spyware or a virus. thought that couldn't happen in linux!
[09:46] <_dockane_> i took a full cdrw and tried  cdrecording with nautilus: nautilus detected a cdrw, said it would delete it and ejected the burned disc. then i tried to read it with my cdrom and now the drive hangs in a loop, how do i force to eject ?
[09:46] <engin> yes it happen in linux..
[09:47] <Tomcat_> engin: Got a Windows router? :)
[09:47] <engin> when i clear the cookies and chache.. it resolve.. but not every time
[09:47] <Rat123> can any1 help me with my network
[09:48] <count0_food> Linux has _Virus's_
[09:48] <philc1> I have a a7a266 (ali magik chipset) motherboard. I just installed ubuntu on it, and dma is turned off on my hard drive. I checked, and the correct ata module for this chipset is loaded (alim15x3). However, if I turn on dma using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda, the entire system freezes. What can I do? This system/mobo has always worked fine for me under gentoo
[09:48] <eater773> how can i have "libgtk1.2"
[09:49] <FreezerX> hi, how do I activate the tilde key of my keyboard?  Where do I find the "nodeadkey-option" to get all keys. I use the german 105intl layout.
[09:49] <engin> Tomcat_:got a windows router?? how i can do it??
[09:49] <count0_food> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[09:49] <Rat123> how can i make the defualt gayway stick after a restrt?
[09:49] <eater773> how can i have "libgtk1.2"
[09:49] <count0_food> i like this quote tho
[09:49] <count0_food> "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it, writes SecurityFocus columnist Scott Granneman."
[09:50] <goldfish> Alot of ppl use that quote :)
[09:50] <bob2> Rat123: please don't /me me
[09:50] <_dockane_> i need to eject the cd but the drive is not responding to hard nor soft eject ... any ideas ?
[09:50] <count0_food> Agree
[09:50] <bob2> Rat123: you add it to /etc/network/interfaces
[09:50] <bob2> Rat123: are you sure you're not using dhcp?
[09:50] <Xgates> hey all
[09:50] <eater773> bob2-->how can i have "libgtk1.2"
[09:50] <_dockane_> the cdrom constantly tries to read ... no result
[09:50] <athlon> FreezerX, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout -> Add -> German -> Eliminate Dead Key
[09:51] <Rat123> im useing dhcp
[09:51] <bob2> eater773: what are you trying to do?
[09:51] <bob2> Rat123: then the dhcp server will tell your computer what gateway to use
[09:52] <Xgates> say under the "System" "Admin" "Printing" what does that printing GUI wizard use to detect a printer, I mean how is it doing it?, the stock Ubuntu kernel detects it, but after recompiling a kernel it does not, so not sure if its that or a service I killed in /etc/init.d
[09:52] <Rat123> i have that working but when i restart it forgets the defualt gateway
[09:52] <count0_food> LOL
[09:52] <count0_food> ". When it comes to email-borne viruses and worms, Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity"
[09:52] <eater773> bob2-> installing nerolinux... coz i can't install gnomebaker... error " libgtk1.2 is not installed"...
[09:52] <FreezerX> athlon, thx
[09:53] <bob2> eater773: so, install that package
[09:53] <hhurtta> Rat123: why do you need to have differen gw than the one dhcp gives you?
[09:53] <bob2> Xgates: it's cups. why did you recompile the kernel?
[09:53] <eater773> bob2-> i already in synaptic package... still ...
[09:53] <bob2> eater773: well, maybe nero is broken then
[09:54] <bob2> eater773: talk to the nero company, presumably they provide support if they charge you money
[09:54] <Mosi> Rat123: It sounds to me like you aren't getting a default gateway from your DHCP server, is that what you're saying?
[09:54] <_dockane_> i really need a hint how do eject the cdrw ... soft or hard eject do not work
[09:54] <eater773> bob2-> is a trial version only......
[09:54] <Mosi> _dockane_: Paperclip :P
[09:54] <bob2> _dockane_: did you unmount it?
[09:55] <Xgates> bob2: well cups then is not a kernel issue, so why cant I possibly get it to detect
[09:55] <hhurtta> Rat123: please, dont /msg
[09:55] <Xgates> I have cups running at start up
[09:55] <JaneW> _dockane_,: I have had the same problem before, I eventually tried a reboot and that solved it...
[09:55] <bob2> Xgates: no idea
[09:55] <JaneW> count0_food: I seem to have amanged the former quite easilly, just by installing flash 7 ;)
[09:55] <_dockane_> JaneW, reboot is for the weak ;)
[09:55] <Rat123> its not sticking in the network config under desktop admin networking where it says defualt gateway device
[09:55] <bob2> you could break cups by recompiling your kernel, tho
[09:55] <Xgates> Nero Linux ahh man I havent been paying attention didnt know that Nero came out for a version for Linux
[09:55] <Rat123> im geting a dhcp ip
[09:56] <bob2> Xgates: why did you recompile it, anyway? the hoary kernel should support everything around
[09:56] <Xgates> you cant break cups by compiling the kernel
[09:56] <Xgates> hehe it has nothing to do with it
[09:56] <bob2> yes you can
[09:56] <_dockane_> Mosi, i do not want to kill my cdrom with using the emergency eject on a running disk ... and its dangerous : i already saw cdrom drives exploding ...
[09:57] <Xgates> dude I've run Slackware and compiled my kernel 100's of times even 1000's and cups was never effected
[09:57] <Xgates> :-)
[09:57] <Xgates> cups has nothing to do with kernel support other then USB which is the hardware of the printer not the software
[09:57] <Mosi> _dockane_: I was joking. Just for the record it's late for me, and i'm multitasking... i'm not really giving help any more, i'm just being the peanut gallery. beacuse someone has to do it. :)
[09:58] <liable> _dockane_: try lsof /dev/cdrom, then kill ehatever is using it
[09:58] <Rat123> can any1 give me a step by step on setting up a network?
[09:58] <Xgates> bob2: ok I can see that it's like Alsa you need to recompile it if you compile the kernel THAT kind of thing
[09:59] <Xgates> but then thats crap on the part of cups needing to be recompiled
[10:00] <Tallia1> hi guys........ i've a very fast problem..... :) i'm under ubuntu.. and i need to use SVN to access the svn repositories of kopete.. because M$ change the login procedure and now K doesn't works at all......... but if i haven't the svn command !!!
[10:00] <Tallia1> where i can found it?!
[10:01] <Xgates> bob2: LOL I just reinstalled all of the cups software and the Gnome GUI then detected it
[10:01] <Xgates> BUGS
[10:01] <Xgates> lol
[10:01] <Xgates> I mean THEN it detected it
[10:01] <Xgates> hmm
[10:02] <Xgates> is nerolinux freeware?
[10:02] <Xgates> opensrc?
[10:03] <Sionide> man, you should have seen ubuntu installing onto my laptop last night
[10:03] <JaneW> _dockane_: and the unskilled ;)
[10:03] <Sionide> recognised my wireless and everything, i'm pretty damn pleased with it:)
[10:03] <Xgates> oh errr
[10:03] <Xgates> that sucks
[10:03] <Seveas> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu!
[10:04] <Xgates> Sionide: well if you have supported hardware it should the friggin kernel has just about every feature compiled into the kernel
[10:04] <bob2> Xgates: no and no, it's payware
[10:04] <Seveas> Xgates, not really, most things are built as modules :)
[10:04] <Sionide> *shrug*
[10:04] <riply> morning Seveas
[10:04] <Xgates> Sionide: OH and just to clue you in on Linux Ubuntu has nothing to do with having your system work THAT is the LINUX kernel and it will do the same in any distro, of course some more automated then others :-)
[10:05] <Xgates> Seveas: YES excuse me for not being POLITICALY correct ---> <*> compiled in :-) ---> <m> module
[10:05] <Xgates> WoOt
[10:05] <Xgates> :-)
[10:05] <Seveas> ;)
[10:05] <Sionide> well... i've tried putting slackware on my other laptop and it didn't work, put the ubuntu cd in and it worked first time so...
[10:06] <Xgates> Sionide: yeah well Slack is a HANDS on you're never going to get it all going out the box in Slack
[10:06] <Xgates> :-)
[10:06] <Seveas> Xgates, it matters in memory consumption, so i am glad all things are modules
[10:06] <Sionide> yeah but i'm just saying ok.... even with a lot of work slack still didnt wanna even load :/
[10:06] <Xgates> well all them mods still create bloat
[10:06] <Seveas> Xgates, feel free to compile your own kernel :)
[10:06] <Mosi> Xgates: So take out what you don't need, that's the point of modules is it not?"
[10:07] <Xgates> and depending on how Ubuntu has /etc/modules.conf going its going to load alot of stuff that does pull at the system a little
[10:07] <Mosi> well then make it better
[10:07] <Xgates> :-)
[10:07] <Seveas> :)
[10:07] <Xgates> I did
[10:07] <Xgates> I made it HELL lot better
[10:07] <goldfish> you did?
[10:07] <Mosi> wouldn't have been able to without modules
[10:07] <IIIEARS> Open source!
[10:07] <Xgates> I should after 5 years in Slack 24/7 I'd better be damm good at compiling kernels and software and all
[10:07] <Mosi> modules are good, no argument
[10:07] <Xgates> :-)
[10:07] <Xgates> hehe
[10:08] <Mosi> lol
[10:08] <goldfish> Xgates: Is slack good?
[10:08] <Xgates> Slack is very good fast and almost bullet proff
[10:08] <Xgates> proof
[10:08] <IIIEARS> mondo doesn't care - grin
[10:08] <Seveas> Xgates, after 5 years of slackware you should, after 5 years of ubuntu you might have never even touched ./configure :)
[10:08] <Xgates> I just had to jump off the bandwagon because I dont have the time much anymore to compile all the software I want all the time
[10:09] <goldfish> hmmm
[10:09] <Xyc0> Anyone here use Cedega or WineX?
[10:09] <goldfish> I might try slack on my laptop.
[10:09] <goldfish> i want something fast
[10:09] <Xgates> Seveas: nah I'm a much better Linux user then most Ubuntu users and for that I have no regrets
[10:09] <Xgates> after all we are not running Windows here
[10:09] <Xgates> hehe
[10:09] <Xyc0> Ubuntu is fast
[10:09] <goldfish> Xyc0: I did.
[10:09] <goldfish> Xyc0: meh, it's a bit sluggish on my laptop.
[10:09] <goldfish> well
[10:09] <Xgates> Xyc0: Slack is quite a bit faster
[10:10] <Xyc0> goldfish: What distro did you use it on?
[10:10] <IIIEARS> Xgates - Slackware must be challenging, - you are here.
[10:10] <goldfish> Hoary.
[10:10] <Seveas> Xgates, you shouldn't. The ./configure, make, make install dance is a good way of spending your time :)
[10:10] <riply> touche!
[10:10] <Xgates> Ubuntu has to many serivces pulling at it that slow it down a bit so you need quite a bit more memory then a smaller distro like Slack
[10:10] <Xyc0> I see no lag on my laptop or desktop
[10:11] <Xgates> Seveas: well there is alot of software that is not always available for that distro and if you want something then you need to OR depend on others to do it THEN hope they did it right
[10:11] <Xyc0> ubuntu boots up faster then windows
[10:11] <Xyc0> that doesnt mean much
[10:11] <goldfish> Xyc0: it does
[10:11] <Xgates> software can be compiled to not run with the best optimizations on your box
[10:11] <Xyc0> but FC3 and other distros ive tried took forever to boot up
[10:12] <Seveas> Xgates, true, i'd rater build from source than use something scary and icky like backports
[10:12] <goldfish> ubuntu boot sup really fast
[10:12] <goldfish> it's just a bit slow on my laptop
[10:12] <Xgates> I've compiled everything from gaim to firefox to evolution, transcode, dvdrip:: and just about all other goodies in between
[10:12] <Xgates> :-)
[10:12] <Seveas> :)
[10:12] <goldfish> Xgates: nice :)
[10:12] <Seveas> apt-get -b source
[10:12] <Xgates> SO
[10:13] <Xgates> if we see something that would be nice to have in Ubuntu and is not there
[10:13] <Xgates> give me a YELL I dont mind making something once and awhile
[10:13] <Xgates> then we might be able to get some more software
[10:13] <Xyc0> I was thinking of paying for Cedega, but i dont know if that would being going against the whole "Open Source" philosophy
[10:13] <Xgates> Xyc0: all I pay for it
[10:13] <Xgates> LOL
[10:14] <Xgates> yes its not really opensrc, BUT lets face alot of those old games are not going to be either so you want to play them you pay
[10:14] <Xgates> OR use wine with X support but not as good
[10:14] <Xyc0> wine is horrid
[10:14] <Xgates> getting better
[10:15] <Xgates> I had it compiled and all setup with everything as a Slackware package for ppl and ready to install and use in like 5mins
[10:15] <Xgates> hehe
[10:15] <Xgates> BUT damm that was a few days of fiddling with it and getting to learn it
[10:16] <Xgates> Seveas: OH and the great thing about compiling you dont have to wait to get something or the latest
[10:16] <Xgates> go grab it and make it happen
[10:16] <Xgates> :-)
[10:16] <nailism> ubuntu people: do you have a binary called 'desktop-file-install'?
[10:16] <nailism> if it's there it'll probably be in $PATH
[10:17] <daniels> yep
[10:17] <nailism> it's there?
[10:17] <nailism> sweet
[10:18] <nailism> woo fdo standardization. upstream gtkpod will now make menu entries.
[10:18] <daniels> swoit :)
[10:18] <_dockane_> what is burn free in gnome-baker ?
[10:19] <Madpilot> g'night, all.
[10:20] <philc1> I need a fix in a newer kernel version (2.6.11) to enable dma on my drive, but don't want to compile and maintain a custom kernel. Is there a way I can get a backport of a newer kernel, that has the same packaging as the 2.6.10-5 kernel that comes with hoary?
[10:21] <kestas> philc1: check synaptic
[10:21] <kestas> theres a 2.6.11 package
[10:21] <bob2> philc1: how much do you care about dma?
[10:21] <philc1> bob2: my system is unbearably slow withou tit
[10:22] <philc1> kestas: I only see 2.6.10-7 on a fresh install, after updating synaptic. Do I need to enable any unofficial repositories?
[10:22] <kestas> philc1: yup add universe
[10:22] <fabbione> no
[10:22] <fabbione> the 2.6.11 in universe is NOT 2.6.11
[10:23] <fabbione> do not install it
[10:23] <kestas> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:23] <kestas> This package contains the Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on
[10:23] <kestas>  Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium IV,
[10:23] <kestas> thats the description
[10:23] <fabbione> kestas: it's a 2.6.10 bk snapshot
[10:23] <kestas> ?
[10:23] <fabbione> kestas: read the changelog
[10:23] <fabbione> it's something between 2.6.10 and 2.6.11
[10:24] <fabbione> a development release
[10:24] <bob2> kestas: fabbione is the ubuntu kernel maintainer
[10:24] <fabbione> bob2: shhh!
[10:24] <philc1> heh
[10:24] <philc1> guess that settles that
[10:24] <philc1> I know a patch was applied by a kernel maintainer. How can I discover the version of the kernel that the patch made it into?
[10:24] <fabbione> let me have some fun :)
[10:24] <kestas> how confusing
[10:24] <bob2> oops
[10:24] <kestas> so why did you call it 2.6.11 if its 2.6.10?
[10:25] <nailism> _dockane_, a way to prevent buffer overruns some CD burners support
[10:25] <fabbione> kestas: because it was supposed to be .11 at a certain point in time, but unfortunatly .11 final was released too late to make hoary
[10:25] <_dockane_> nailism, ah ok. but i think you mean underrun, don't you ?
[10:26] <kestas> so you left it in?
[10:27] <philc1> A patch was applied on the 10th of march. Anyone have an idea of what kernel that was? and might it be in the 2.6.11 package in universe?
[10:27] <fabbione> kestas: it was left in universe (not supported)
[10:27] <fabbione> philc1: you can try to grab the kernel 2.6.12 from breezy.
[10:27] <kestas> fabbione: well cant you update it to what its supposed to be?
[10:27] <fabbione> philc1: that one for sure has the patch.
[10:28] <philc1> fabbione: thanks, will check it out
[10:28] <fabbione> kestas: no. and we are working on the breezy kernel (2.6.12
[10:28] <fabbione> philc1: be aware that it is a 2.6.12rc4
[10:28] <philc1> iz ok
[10:28] <kestas> well cant you remove it from the repo?
[10:28] <fabbione> philc1: it's not final and subject to deep changes in the short future
[10:28] <kestas> heheh I dont get it its like its needlessly confusing
[10:28] <kestas> for no reason
[10:28] <fabbione> kestas: no
[10:28] <philc1> fabbione: it is somewhat deceptive
[10:28] <linuxboy> is it wise for me to download the thunderbird source package, then modify it and use that ?
[10:29] <kestas> fabbione: yes. it is confusing
[10:29] <fabbione> philc1: the version number is pretty clear :)
[10:29] <fabbione> kestas: no <- i can't remove it from the archive
[10:29] <fabbione> and the version is not even -1
[10:29] <fabbione> it's 0.2
[10:29] <fabbione> + there is a changelog
[10:29] <fabbione> that explain status of things
[10:29] <kestas> k
[10:29] <kestas> but why cant you remove it, just out of interest?
[10:30] <fabbione> kestas: because the hoary archive is locked
[10:30] <kestas> ah k
[10:30] <fabbione> once a release is done, the archive is untouchable
[10:30] <kestas> ah I see
[10:31] <fabbione> kestas: that's why there are hoary-security and hoary-updates
[10:31] <fabbione> for main
[10:32] <kestas> hmm k it all makes sense
[10:36] <runge> hi. is ubuntu in any way also geard twards servers, or should I just use plane debian?
[10:37] <kestas> runge: depends if you need recent versions
[10:37] <kestas> runge: if you can use woody then woody would be better, but otherwise ubuntu-server is the way to go
[10:37] <runge> kestas, would like kernel 2.6 postgresql 8 and such if possible, but still with security patching
[10:37] <kestas> well then itll have to be ubuntu-server I think
[10:38] <bob2> runge: then you'll have to look after postgresql 8 yourself
[10:38] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu
[10:38] <kestas> runge: postgre 8 isn-- yeah
[10:38] <kestas> maybe backports has it?
[10:38] <bob2> god
[10:39] <runge> is there a place to search packages for ubuntu? (I do not have one installed here, thinking more of a webpage)
[10:39] <bob2> I would strongly strongly not recommend using backports on a server
[10:39] <Seveas> skip the last 3 words of that bob2 :)
[10:39] <kestas> bob2: well if he wants postgre then its backports or making it himself, and if he makes it himself and theres a vulnerability and he doesnt keep an eye on it hell be vulnerable
[10:39] <kestas> bob2: but I dont know how unstable backports is
[10:40] <Seveas> kestas, same goes for backports
[10:40] <Seveas> it has unknown/no QA
[10:40] <kestas> but it gets updated right?
[10:40] <Seveas> could be
[10:40] <Seveas> but i'd only trust ubuntu sources
[10:40] <kestas> depends if you would keep a keen eye on it or not
[10:40] <kestas> I dont think its as ridiculous as bob2 makes out
[10:41] <bob2> kestas: I really really really doubt the backports people look after security properly
[10:41] <kestas> Seveas: well postgre 8 aint in ubuntu sources
[10:41] <bob2> since they don't even version their packages properly
[10:41] <kestas> okay
[10:41] <Seveas> kestas, maybe it'll be in breezy
[10:41] <raia> hello
[10:41] <bob2> it will be
[10:42] <kestas> yeah but thatll be in october
[10:42] <Seveas> you've/he's lived without it so far, another few months won't hurt
[10:42] <raia> how i get modprobe apm please
[10:42] <bob2> raia: please actually read what people tell you
[10:42] <kestas> apm is decaprecated
[10:42] <bob2> raia: I've explained twice now what to do
[10:42] <bob2> kestas: raia's hardware doesn't do acpi
[10:42] <Seveas> kestas, some machines need it
[10:42] <kestas> hmm k
[10:42] <Seveas> deprecated, but still used hardware :)
[10:43] <bob2> raia: add the word apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[10:45] <Seveas> bob2, aren't fool proof instructions like echo 'apm' | sudo tee -a .... more appropriate for newbies?
[10:45] <beezly> !breezy
[10:45] <beezly> hmm, this ain't #debian
[10:45] <bob2> perhaps
[10:45] <Seveas> lol beezly :)
[10:45] <bob2> but I do kinda expect people to say "I don't understand, can you make it simpler?" if they don't understand it
[10:45] <bob2> instead of ignoring over and over
[10:46] <Seveas> :)
[10:46] <Seveas> bob2, that's the horror of support
[10:46] <raia> bob 2 if i insert (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko)there will be no pb?
[10:47] <bob2> raia: I don't understand your question
[10:47] <Seveas> raia, did you even *read* what he said?
[10:47] <raia> because after switching on is not shutting
[10:48] <raia> i cant switch pc
[10:48] <bob2> raia: did you do what I said, or not?
[10:48] <raia> i sudo odprobe apm and is shutting
[10:48] <raia> what did u said?
[10:49] <raia> sorry can u tell me again?
[10:49] <liable> raia: /lastlog raia
[10:49] <bob2> 18:43:18 @         bob2 | raia: add the word apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[10:49] <raia> raia@10:~ $ /lastlog raia
[10:49] <raia> bash: /lastlog: No such file or directory
[10:50] <bob2> lord
[10:50] <Gog> :)
[10:50] <liable> hah
[10:50] <liable> in your irc client
[10:50] <philc1> lol
[10:50] <philc1> you guys are hilarious
[10:50] <raia> bob2 how i'll do this
[10:51] <raia> i am a beginer
[10:51] <bob2> raia: so
[10:51] <count0_food> sudo echo "apm" >> /etc/modules
[10:51] <bob2> raia: in future, when someone suggested something ytou don't understand, please say so
[10:51] <bob2> instead of ignoring them and asking the same question 4 times
[10:51] <bob2> count0_food: that won't work
[10:51] <Seveas> count0_food, that does not work
[10:51] <count0_food> opps
[10:51] <raia> raia@10:~ $ sudo echo "apm" >> /etc/modules
[10:51] <raia> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[10:51] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[10:51] <bob2> raia: run: echo apm | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:51] <philc1> kestas, fabbione: I upgraded to 2.6.12 from breezy, and the patch is there, and dma is working. System boots up in 1/10 the time as it did before. Thanks guys
[10:52] <raia> done
[10:52] <pablum> I confess I never learned how to use sudo.   I always use su.
[10:52] <bob2> raia: no reboot
[10:52] <bob2> er, now
[10:52] <raia> k
[10:52] <raia> let me see
[10:53] <raia> on restart is working
[10:53] <raia> on shut down is not working
[10:53] <raia> let m,e see
[10:53] <bob2> count0_food: that runs echo as root, but it's your shell that's trying to put the output into the file (and your shell is running as you)
[10:53] <nikolaus> some one can help me? yesterday i installed ubuntu everthing went well, had a 1280x1024 resolution. today there is only 800x600 possible and i nearly changed all lines in xorg.conf
[10:53] <count0_food> -) true duhhbob2, "_
[10:54] <Seveas> nikolaus, did you edit these lines before or after the resolution change?
[10:54] <nikolaus> after the resolution changed
[10:54] <mg> hi, anyone know how to get the gdm actions menu so i can do an xdmcp login?
[10:55] <Seveas> mg, system->administration->login screen setup
[10:55] <mg> Seveas: yes, the option is ticked. it doesn't work here.
[10:55] <Seveas> nikolaus, i think it's better to start from scratch since it worked right after the install, so backup your xorg.conf and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:56] <Seveas> mg, there is also an option to disallow all xdmcp
[10:56] <Seveas> on the security tab
[10:58] <RatDude2> how do i add a defualt in the root consel?
[10:59] <RatDude2> or how do i add it to the interfaces file?
[10:59] <Seveas> RatDude2, i don't understand what you want to do, can you be a bit more clear please...
[11:00] <rattboi> ratdude?
[11:00] <rattboi> that's too close to my name
[11:00] <Seveas> so?
[11:00] <rattboi> no problem
[11:00] <RatDude2> so lol u got pet rats?
[11:00] <RatDude2> lol
[11:00] <rattboi> no
[11:00] <rattboi> just a nickname I got since elementary school
[11:00] <RatDude2> lol same
[11:00] <count0_food> lol i got ratties too
[11:00] <rattboi> I gotta figure it has to do with my big nose
[11:00] <rattboi> I had 1 pet rat later though
[11:01] <rattboi> it died of some lung infection
[11:01] <Seveas> but let's stay on topic people :)
[11:01] <AirWays> How I can installackage?
[11:01] <AirWays> deb package
[11:01] <Seveas> RatDude2, did you read my request?
[11:01] <raia> not working bob2
[11:01] <Seveas> AirWays, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:01] <bob2> raia: paste your /etc/modules to #flood
[11:01] <RatDude2> i want to set a defualt gatway cos in the network settings when i restart the defualt gateway eth0 isnt there
[11:02] <AirWays> thanks
[11:02] <_NiC> anyone know why the torrent-tracker is down, and/or when it's expected to be back up?
[11:02] <RatDude2> can any1 giev me a step to step on setting up a network?
[11:02] <bob2> RatDude2: you're not using dhcp?
[11:02] <raia> ?
[11:02] <RatDude2> bob2 i am
[11:02] <count0_food> torrent is not down ??? checking
[11:02] <Seveas> RatDude2, if you use dhco you do not need that...
[11:02] <RatDude2> but each time i restrt it isnt there
[11:02] <_NiC> count0_food: connection refused is all i get.
[11:02] <bob2> RatDude2: why do you need to set the gateway then?
[11:02] <bob2> RatDude2: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood please
[11:02] <count0_food> this ?
[11:02] <count0_food> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[11:03] <RatDude2> cos its not there when i restart in the network setting in the pull down box
[11:03] <raia> bob2 how to paste?
[11:03] <nikolaus> seveas i now changed every line in xorg.conf to "1280x1024" bust still only 1024x786 possible
[11:03] <count0_food> hits update
[11:03] <RatDude2> defualt gateway is nothing when i restart so its not sticking or something
[11:03] <raia> raia@10:~ $ /etc/modules
[11:03] <_NiC> count0_food: that's the one.
[11:03] <raia> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[11:03] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[11:03] <count0_food> mine was ok 11 mins ago
[11:03] <bob2> raia: dude
[11:03] <bob2> raia: are you in linux now?
[11:03] <Seveas> nikolaus, have you restarted the X server after you cahnged the lines?
[11:03] <raia> yes
[11:04] <count0nz> ok....
[11:04] <count0nz> its down confirmed here too
[11:04] <Seveas> raia, type this in your xchat:
[11:04] <bob2> raia: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/modules"
[11:04] <Seveas>  /join #flood
[11:04] <Seveas> then go to #flood
[11:04] <Seveas> then type in xchat:
[11:04] <nikolaus> yes, i did a full system reboot
[11:04] <RatDude2> im useing dhcp ive got a ip and a dns and i have set the defualt gatway in the network pull down thing to eth0 and when i restrt it gos back to blank
[11:04] <Seveas>  /exec -o cat /etc/modules
[11:04] <raia> raia@10:~ $ cat /etc/modules
[11:05] <raia> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[11:05] <raia> #
[11:05] <raia> # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are
[11:05] <raia> # to be loaded at boot time, one per line.  Comments begin with
[11:05] <raia> # a "#", and everything on the line after them are ignored.
[11:05] <Seveas> RatDude2, that's normal since dhcp should give you the gateway
[11:05] <raia> psmouse
[11:05] <raia> mousedev
[11:05] <Battletux> hey are the backports down this morning?
[11:05] <raia> ide-cd
[11:05] <Seveas> you should not need to manually set it
[11:05] <raia> ide-disk
[11:05] <raia> ide-generic
[11:05] <raia> lp
[11:05] <raia> raia@10:~ $
[11:05] <Seveas> raia, i said: go to #flood
[11:05] <Seveas> but anyway: the module is not added
[11:05] <bob2> raia: you didn't run the command I gave you then
[11:05] <RatDude2> but when i restrt there nothing in the defulte gateway in the network settings ?
[11:05] <RatDude2> and i cant get the net
[11:05] <bob2> RatDude2: ignore the gui completely
[11:06] <Seveas> RatDude2, your dhcp server should give you a gateway ip address
[11:06] <bob2> RatDude2: paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to 3flood
[11:06] <raia> yes
[11:06] <raia> i ran it
[11:06] <bob2> show us you running it again
[11:06] <RatDude2> whos 3flood?
[11:06] <Seveas> #flood
[11:06] <RatDude2> oh ok
[11:06] <raia> i am in flood now bob 2
[11:07] <bob2> raia: show us you running the command I gave you to begin with
[11:07] <bob2> raia: echo apm | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[11:07] <RatDude2> bob2 is that right?
[11:08] <bob2> RatDude2: yes, thanks
[11:08] <bob2> that should just work
[11:08] <RatDude2> u would think
[11:08] <RatDude2> um...
[11:08] <Seveas> RatDude2, check your dhcp server config
[11:08] <Seveas> it should send a gateway address
[11:09] <bob2> RatDude2: does it work for other machines?
[11:09] <raia> done
[11:09] <RatDude2> bob2 this in\s my only linux pc the rest r xp
[11:09] <bob2> RatDude2: they work fine?
[11:09] <RatDude2> Seveas, where is the server config?
[11:10] <RatDude2> yes bob2
[11:10] <raia> bob2 i did
[11:10] <bob2> raia: now run "cat /etc/modules" and show us in #flood again
[11:10] <RatDude2> im on tghe linux pc atm getting the net but when i restrt i cant
[11:10] <bob2> RatDude2: ok, what do you have to do to get it to work?
[11:11] <raia> seems to appear
[11:11] <RatDude2> i have to go to desktop, admin, networking and pull down the defualt gateway device and put eth0 in there
[11:11] <Madeye> when they will backport firefox 1.0.4 ?
[11:11] <bob2> raia: now try rebooting
[11:11] <bob2> Madeye: hoary will never have 1.0.4.
[11:12] <Seveas> Madeye, FF in ubuntu has all 1.0.4 security patches
[11:12] <erik_> hello
[11:12] <erik_> I have a problem with the sound in Kino
[11:12] <erik_> is there anybody who can help me?
[11:12] <RatDude2> what do u think bob2?
[11:12] <Battletux> does anyone know if the hoary backports are down? i cant seem to upgrade/install from them
[11:12] <Seveas> Battletux, you shouldn't even want to do that ;)
[11:13] <Madeye> bob2,  why ?
[11:13] <Madeye> Seveas, yeah I know but with 1.0.3 we cannot access firefox extension page
[11:13] <erik_> Is it possible to force Kino to use ESD?
[11:14] <Battletux> Seveas: if my laptop dies because of the backports then art least i'll have something to do at work for a change :)
[11:14] <Seveas> Madeye, just let FF lie about its identity
[11:14] <bob2> Madeye: it's frozen, it doesn't get new versions of software
[11:14] <bob2> erik_: esddsp kin, might work
[11:14] <RatDude2> bob2 any ideas?
[11:14] <Madeye> Seveas,  How?
[11:14] <haydenTNG> hi
[11:14] <Seveas> you can set it's User-Agent string
[11:14] <erik_> bob2: how to I do the edsdsp kin thing?
[11:14] <bob2> erik_: run it in a terminal
[11:14] <erik_> bob2: I'll try that
[11:15] <bob2> RatDude2: I don't know, it should work...try commenting out the hotplug bits (all 3 lines) and see if that helps?
[11:15] <erik_> bob2: esddsp --- command not found
[11:16] <bob2> install esound-clients, iirc
[11:17] <bob2> RatDude2: the mapping, script and map lines
[11:17] <Anubis> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe fluxbox 0.9.13~5.04ubp1
[11:17] <Anubis>   500 Internal Server Error
[11:17] <Madeye> Seveas,  I changed it to 1.0.4, restarted firefox, but same same
[11:17] <bob2> Anubis: talk to them, it's nothing to do with ubuntu itself
[11:17] <Seveas> omg, is that how backports version their packages???
[11:18] <bob2> yup
[11:18] <bob2> some are worse
[11:18] <Seveas> damn
[11:18] <Seveas> they're even more evil than i thought
[11:18] <RatDude2> i cant do anything to the file bob2
[11:18] <^^fafa_imoet^^> hii
[11:18] <bob2> RatDude2: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[11:19] <bob2> note you're not supposed to use ~ in versions yet
[11:20] <RatDude2> how do i save it bob2? just close it?
[11:20] <bob2> and that a real debian upload system would reject it for that
[11:20] <bob2> RatDude2: I'm not sure, doesn't nano show you at the bottom what the save command is?
[11:20] <erik_> bob2: esddsp didn't do the trick. When i start Kino from a terminal and play a dv capture the programm outputs: unable to open audio device /dev/dsp
[11:20] <bob2> erik_: ok
[11:21] <Seveas> bob2, i'm sure it's not a real dupload system, but uses just dpkg-scanpackages
[11:21] <bob2> Seveas: abiword-common_2.2.1-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1_all.deb
[11:21] <bob2> yeah
[11:21] <Seveas> omg...
[11:22] <erik_> bob2: Is there anything else to try? Change /dev/dsp? disable esd?
[11:22] <bob2> killing esd will let it run
[11:22] <bob2> but nothing else can output sound
[11:23] <erik_> bob2: that's fine.  - How long have you been answering questions tonight?
[11:24] <bob2> did it crash?
[11:24] <bob2> did the machine?
[11:24] <erik_> bob2: thanks
[11:24] <bob2> IIIEars: entirely too long
[11:24] <IIIEars> Thank You.
[11:25] <IIIEars> All Distros aren't created equal.
[11:25] <matthieu_> salut
[11:25] <Seveas> salut matthieu_
[11:25] <Mosi> Hello again everyone
[11:25] <IIIEars> Hi Mosi! :)
[11:25] <matthieu_> hi
[11:26] <IIIEars> How goes it?
[11:26] <matthieu_> pas de francais
[11:26] <Seveas> Anubis, make sure no apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/update-manager is running
[11:26] <Anubis> its not
[11:26] <Seveas> matthieu_,  #ubuntu-fr
[11:26] <Anubis> I just killed aptget update
[11:26] <Mosi> I'm currently running on the Live CD, i downloaded, burned, and booted off it hoping to restore yaboot, which i wiped when i reinstalled Mac OS X a while back, can anyone tell me how to do this from the live CD?
[11:26] <matthieu_> thanks
[11:26] <Seveas> ah you killed it...
[11:27] <Anubis> backports is screwed right now
[11:27] <Seveas> Anubis, it always is
[11:27] <Anubis> I just rm the var locked file
[11:27] <IIIEars> Linux needs a translation app for IRC - most good support starts here.
[11:28] <Seveas> IIIEars, that's why there are localized channels :)
[11:28] <IIIEars> Mosi - Add "Grub" boot loader from the live CD?
[11:28] <Anubis> 99% [Connecting to backports.ubuntuforums.org (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[11:28] <bob2> yes, we know the forums are broken
[11:28] <bob2> no one but the forum people can fix it
[11:29] <IIIEars> localized channels sometimes don't have enough people in them to have an answer.
[11:29] <fabbione> brrrrrrr
[11:29] <bob2> email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something
[11:29] <fabbione> b4ckp0rt5
[11:29] <Seveas> lol fabbione :)
[11:30] <IIIEars> Poor Mosi......
[11:30] <bob2> Mosi: open a terminal
[11:30] <Mosi> IIIEars: i don't think this will work. As i said i'm on OS X, OS X has this nightmare partition setup. I have about 12 partitions, and only two of them contain actual filesystems. I got this way from a fresh install right off the Mac OS X disk.
[11:31] <Mosi> the point is that Ubuntu is on partitin 9 i believe, obviously a logical partition, so to my understanding Grub won't boot it. I wouldn't think yaboot would either except that it did.
[11:31] <bob2> grub can't boot anything at all on ppc
[11:31] <IIIEars> Mosi - (gulp) you could nuke the entire setup with dd or dban and start over. (ducks in anticipation of a flying rock or coffee cup.)
[11:31] <Mosi> it can't? well that solves that problem
[11:31] <bob2> Mosi: you have a working ubuntu install on the hard disk, but mac os ate the boot sector?
[11:32] <bob2> Mosi: now, open a terminal in the live cd
[11:32] <Mosi> I do, bob. terminal opened.
[11:32] <yogui> hi
[11:32] <bob2> Mosi: which is your ubuntu root filesystem?
[11:33] <Mosi> I'd considered that actually IIIEars :)
[11:33] <IIIEars> (perk) Do you hear that? it sounds like the cavalry has arrived to save the fort.
[11:33] <revelater> hi all, lets say i wanted to make a copy of an hd with multiple partitions to a blank HD, how woulod i do this?
[11:33] <yogui> why, whereas my script is in etc/init.d directory, it isn't loaded on startup ?
[11:33] <IIIEars> Bob2! bob2! bob2! yay!
[11:33] <Mosi> >_< i'm not sure, it's been like a month since i could boot linux, and i can't view my partition table from Live
[11:33] <bob2> yogui: you didn't tell init to boot it, use update-rc.d
[11:33] <Seveas> yogui, since nothing from /etc/init.d is run at startup
[11:33] <bob2> Mosi: fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:34] <bob2> Mosi: er, with sudo
[11:34] <AirWays> Where is that sources.list Hoary list?
[11:34] <revelater> ?
[11:34] <Seveas> AirWays, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <AirWays> No no in internet, that Right one
[11:34] <yogui> bob2 : so man update-rc.d ?
[11:34] <IIIEars> revelator - 1 one word "Mondo" backup tool.
[11:34] <bob2> revelater: plug both in.  dd if=/dev/disktocopy of=/dev/disktocopyto
[11:34] <bob2> revelater: be very very very careful
[11:34] <Seveas> AirWays, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[11:35] <Mosi> neat trick bob, thanks :) it's hda11
[11:35] <bob2> Mosi: ok.  now: sudo mount -t whatever /dev/hda11 /mnt
[11:35] <revelater> bob2: i know this is an ubuntu forum, but basically what i want to do is install debian on one hd, then make carbon copys of that install on as many as i need, will that do it?
[11:35] <IIIEars> bob2 - dd means saving and applying a couple of different files in seperate steps. Is that the only way?
[11:35] <bob2> Mosi: then "cat /mnt/etc/fstab" should show your old fstab
[11:36] <bob2> revelater: yes
[11:36] <bob2> IIIEars: no, it doesn't.  it directly copies from one raw disk to another, no temp files.
[11:36] <revelater> bob2: do i need to format the new disk?
[11:36] <bob2> revelater: no
[11:36] <yogui> Where can i found man page in french ? (sorry ;-) )
[11:36] <bob2> revelater: it will copy the whole disk...partition table, the contents of each partition, everything
[11:37] <rod> hi
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: make sure the target disk is as big or bigger than the source
[11:37] <rod> i have a 80 gig ntfs partition, i want to resize it with ntfsresize to 30 gig
[11:37] <revelater> bob2: sweet!!!
[11:37] <rod> i do this: root@ubuntu:/home/rod # ntfsresize -s -G 30 /dev/hda1
[11:37] <IIIEars> the mbr+the disk - add gzip for compression. - and you hope it doesn't make a huge file.
[11:37] <rod> and get: ntfsresize v1.9.4
[11:37] <revelater> bob2: and i just type that in to command line?
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: the only hitch will be that it won't be bootable
[11:37] <rod>  ERROR: Illegal new volume size
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: unless it ends up the same location (ie as hda or whatever) as the original disk was
[11:37] <revelater> bob2: how would i make it bootable?
[11:37] <Seveas> bob2, just curious: if the disk is smaller, will dd just fail at some point or are there worse things that can happen?
[11:37] <bob2> revelater: yes, make ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU GET THE NAMES RIGHT
[11:38] <bob2> Seveas: it'll just fail at some point
[11:38] <rod> Could you tell me the right ntfsresize command, please?
[11:38] <bob2> Seveas: I assume it will mostly work, but the kernel will spew if you try to access something off the end of the disk (I think)
[11:38] <IIIEars> revelator - you use the dd command to save the first 512 bytes of the disk to a file the master boot record
[11:38] <bob2> as long as you get / on the dest, I mean
[11:38] <revelater> bob2: so it will copy the table and remember itself as hdb or what not?
[11:38] <bob2> IIIEars: no, that's not the problem
[11:38] <riply> Seveas, what is "salut" ?
[11:38] <bob2> revelater: oh, no, the disk itself has no idea where it is...but grub or whatever does.
[11:39] <Mosi> bob2: okay, now what?
[11:39] <bob2> revelater: as long as it ends up as hda in the target machine, it'll be fine
[11:39] <LunatiK^Guy> hey...wot command can i use to get the linux version on my system?
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: did you see fstab?
[11:39] <IIIEars> (sorry - going to hide in a dark corner.)
[11:39] <bob2> LunatiK^Guy: you mean the kernel? uname -r.
[11:39] <Mosi> bob2: yes i did
[11:39] <revelater> bob2: so i just have to plug it into another comp as the master drive?
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: cool. so, now, "sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash"
[11:39] <bob2> revelater: right
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: now you should be root in your hard disk install
[11:39] <LunatiK^Guy> yes the kernel version
[11:39] <marcel_> What is Ubuntu based on? Like, Sarge, or woody?
[11:39] <bob2> Mosi: run "yaboot -v"
[11:39] <bob2> marcel_: sid, sorta
[11:40] <Seveas> riply, it's french for hello
[11:40] <marcel_> bob2?
[11:40] <revelater> bob2: thank you for the help!
[11:40] <bob2> marcel_: it's diverged a lot
[11:40] <bob2> revelater: you're msot welcome
[11:40] <Mosi> bash: yaboot: command not found
[11:40] <marcel_> Is that *the* bob2?
[11:40] <LunatiK^Guy> thanks loads
[11:40] <Seveas> marcel_, sid
[11:40] <bob2> Mosi: hrm.
[11:40] <rod> How to resize a ntfs partition on /dev/hda1 from 80 tot 30 gig, PLEASEEEEEE
[11:40] <bob2> Mosi: ls -l /sbin/yaboot*?
[11:40] <rod> with ntfsresize
[11:40] <bob2> rod: dude, chill
[11:40] <McScruff> if im using ubuntubut have unstalled kde and using that should i be here or kbuntu?
[11:40] <bob2> rod: if someone knew, they would have said something
[11:41] <rod> bob2, sry... it's just completely driving me nuts :'/
[11:41] <Mosi> bob2: you want that ? on the end right? that's not a question?
[11:41] <Seveas> McScruff, both are fine :)
[11:41] <bob2> McScruff: #kubuntu might be more useful for you
[11:41] <bob2> Mosi: yes
[11:41] <bob2> marcel_: define *the*
[11:41] <naibed> hi
[11:41] <marcel_> bob2, bob2 from #debian?
[11:41] <Mosi> root@ubuntu:/# ls -l /sbin/yaboot*?
[11:41] <Mosi> ls: /sbin/yaboot*?: No such file or directory
[11:41] <bob2> marcel_: yes
[11:41] <marcel_> Australian bob
[11:41] <rod> bob2, i under understand the man page of ntfsresize.. it says:  -s, --size SIZE        Resize volume to SIZE[k|M|G]  bytes
[11:41] <marcel_> lol
[11:41] <bob2> Mosi: how odd.  what does "uname -a" print?
[11:41] <marcel_> ah :)
[11:41] <bob2> marcel_: the same
[11:41] <rod> *i dont understand i mean
[11:41] <raia> seems to shut down
[11:42] <raia> bingo
[11:42] <Mosi> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-powerpc #1 Tue Apr 5 12:44:32 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[11:42] <marcel_> bob2: When did you hop? :P
[11:42] <raia> 10x bob2
[11:42] <rod> bob2, but i dont understand how to use that G option for gigabytes
[11:42] <bob2> rod: ntfsresize -s 30G /dev/blah
[11:42] <bob2> rod: it means to put it after the number
[11:42] <bob2> marcel_: I use both, started using ubuntu back in like june last year
[11:42] <raia> now
[11:42] <bob2> Mosi: hrm, maybe it's called something else, I forget
[11:42] <rod> thank thank GOD ehh i mean bob2 : )
[11:43] <Swelly> is there a laptop install option for ubuntu ?? that adds apm and all the other required things ? :)
[11:43] <rod> thanks man :)
[11:43] <bob2> Mosi: what's the output of "dpkg -L yaboot | grep bin" (in #flood)?
[11:43] <marcel_> bob2: Ah. I'm liking Ubuntu. It feels a tad cleaner.
[11:43] <Mosi> bob2: shall i just browse through /sbin?
[11:43] <Seveas> Swelly, ubuntu installs fine on laptops
[11:43] <bob2> Swelly: it does that by default if it detects you have a laptop
[11:43] <bob2> rod: you're welcome
[11:43] <Mosi> bob2: Or might it be in /usr/sbin/
[11:43] <riply> Seveas, oh cool thanks
[11:43] <bob2> Mosi: yeah, maybe, my grep will find that
[11:43] <bob2> if not, I'll have to go power up my ibook
[11:44] <bob2> marcel_: hah, yeah...I just like being able to run stable and thus actually have people care when it breaks ;)
[11:44] <Mosi> bob2: root@ubuntu:/# ls -l /usr/sbin/yaboot*?
[11:44] <Mosi> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 22587 2004-11-29 04:07 /usr/sbin/yabootconfig
[11:44] <raia> how i see if i have codecs for video?
[11:44] <chocoIate> does anybody know if hoary support hot plugging out of the box or am i supposed to do enable this myself somehow getting the proper packages / modules :o
[11:44] <Seveas> raia, by trying to play the video :)
[11:44] <bob2> Mosi: dpkg -L yaboot | grep bin
[11:44] <bob2> chocoIate: for usb devices? out of the box.
[11:44] <trondd> chocoIate: out of the box...
[11:44] <Seveas> chocoIate, it supports usb/pcmcia hotplug
[11:45] <Seveas> firewire too afaik
[11:45] <bob2> chocoIate: it's funny, actually...I bought a mp3 player, and plugged it in, and it got automounted to /media/IAUDIO right away
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/ybin
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/yabootconfig
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/ofpath
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/share/man/man8/ybin.8.gz
[11:45] <Mosi> /usr/sbin/mkofboot
[11:45] <bob2> I was a little disappointed
[11:45] <Seveas> lol bob2
[11:45] <bob2> Mosi: (#flood next time).  sudo ybin -v
[11:45] <IIIEars> lol
[11:45] <|JE55E|> Hi guys. How do I get graphics resetup in ubuntu? I changed the graphics card
[11:45] <Mosi> (sorry)
[11:45] <bob2> |JE55E|: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <bob2> but, I'm late for a hot dinner date
[11:45] <bob2> good luck, y'all
[11:45] <Burgundavia> bob2, how do I force a mahcine to boot into text mode, not single user
[11:46] <bob2> Burgundavia: remove gdm from a runlevel and boot into it
[11:46] <Burgundavia> bob2, ah, ok
[11:46] <IIIEars> JESSE  sudodpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:46] <bob2> Burgundavia: it's enabled in all run levels by default
[11:46] <Burgundavia> bob2, ok
[11:46] <raia> does somebody tell me how i install videocodecs?
[11:46] <bob2> raia: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:46] <Seveas> bob2, go to your dinner date for crying out loud :p
[11:46] <chocoIate> ah, well my external hard disk i had that same experience too, so i guess hot plugging is there by default. whats making me suspicious is i dont find the acm modules. I'm trying to setup my external usb modem following this guide here -->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420
[11:47] <|JE55E|> thanks bob2 & IIEars, will give them a try
[11:47] <Mosi> bob2: You pointed me in the right direction, i think i can take it from here :) thanks for the help
[11:47] <philc1> I have a module in /lib/modules/2.6.10... and have copied it to /lib/modules/2.6.12... which is the kernel I'm running. However, when I modprobe it, the module is not found. What else do I need to edit so that modprobe knows the module is in the directory structure of my currently running kernel?
[11:47] <marcel_> bob2: Youre using Deb stable?
[11:47] <chocoIate> and in that article they state :
[11:47] <chocoIate> The great thing about using USB devices with Linux is that you can take advantage of the kernel's "hot plugging" ability. Hot plugging will load the appropriate module(s) upon detection of a device. If your distribution supports this, just plug in the USB modem and the ACM module will be loaded. Setting up hot plugging is beyond the scope of this article but Red Hat 7.2, Mandrake 8.1 and SuSE 7.3 all support it. If the modem lights flas
[11:47] <Seveas> philc1, ehm, that's not supposed to work
[11:47] <chocoIate> so i go in my terminal window and type lsmod
[11:47] <Seveas> you cannot use modules compiled for one kernel in another one
[11:47] <naibed> bob2, read this http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html or put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" in your sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get install mplayer-whatever
[11:48] <chocoIate> and i dont see any acm module listed : http://pastebot.nd.edu/935
[11:48] <chocoIate> thats my output for lsmod -->> http://pastebot.nd.edu/935
[11:48] <Seveas> naibed, please do NOT advise that
[11:48] <philc1> Seveas: hmm... I'll see if I can find a binary of the module for my kernel in the repositories somewhere. Thanks
[11:48] <Seveas> marillat unstable can no longer be used since hoary is frozen
[11:48] <raia> hello
[11:49] <Mosi> bob2:i lied, i'm getting OpenFirmware errors, heh
[11:49] <philc1> Seveas: how can I tell where a binary module is going to install to? I'm using a breezy kernel, and a breezy package of the module I need, but it got put into the older kernel that ships with hoary
[11:49] <Seveas> chocoIate, try find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name *acm*
[11:49] <raia> hello
[11:49] <chocoIate> what should i do to get my acm module to load then
[11:49] <Seveas> philc1, read the topic
[11:49] <chocoIate> ok, and if tis in there i go modprobe acm :o
[11:49] <Seveas> breezy is not meant for general public
[11:50] <chocoIate> and if its not in there, what should i do :o
[11:50] <Seveas> chocoIate, try to find it ;)
[11:50] <chocoIate> is it supposed to be in there by default is what i wanna know
[11:50] <Tron|BoRG> Morning all
[11:50] <Seveas> try cdc-acm
[11:50] <philc1> Seveas: I'm trying not to use breezy, but my chipset has a critical fix that only appears in 2.6.12. That is the only package, as of yet, I'm using from breezy
[11:51] <chocoIate> Seveas : for acm support am i expected to download a package or something
[11:51] <marcel_> if I install kde applications, will they show in the Gnome menu, or do I need to install the debian menu to access these kde applications?
[11:51] <chocoIate> or is it there by default
[11:51] <chocoIate> do you have it Seveas :o
[11:51] <Seveas> philc1, using a breezy kernel on hoary is also not the stablest option but should generally work. There will be no restricted-modules for the next months
[11:51] <Mosi> bob2: http://pastebin.com/286876
[11:51] <chocoIate> do you see it under /lib/modules/`uname -r` :o
[11:51] <Seveas> chocoIate, i found the cdc-acm module
[11:51] <Riddell> marcel_: they'll show up
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i DD a DVD, or do i have to use some tool?
[11:52] <marcel_> ok. Well done.
[11:52] <chocoIate> unfortunately i am on winxp now and my modem is still not working. i'm trying to fix it so just to check if this is there i must reboot and load back in linux
[11:52] <Seveas> chocoIate, it's part of the linux-image package so you should have it
[11:52] <philc1> Seveas: alright. I should be able to get it going from source, right?
[11:52] <Seveas> philc1, i guess so
[11:52] <liable> chocoIate: is this still the sm56?
[11:52] <IIIEars> kamping kaiser - i am new so someone will correct me. - cdrecord or k3b
[11:52] <Shufla> hello :D
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, need tools, thanks
[11:52] <chocoIate> i'm giving up on sm56 ; i'm gonna try to get my external usb modem to work
[11:53] <chocoIate> the stupid sm56 driver, i was able to compile it after so much hard work and guess what, it wont load the module ; says incorrect format or something
[11:53] <liable> chocoIate: the sm56, wont work at all with 2.6, so you may as well give up on it
[11:53] <Mosi> Anyone who knows ybin?
[11:53] <chocoIate> seems like the writers of that driver messed up somewhere
[11:53] <raia> hello
[11:53] <w0wie> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[11:53] <Seveas> chocoIate, do you have the linux-686 (intel) or linux-k7 (amd) package installed?
[11:53] <w0wie> anyone got any ideas on how i can fix my locales
[11:53] <chocoIate> says module incorrect format when i try to load it with modprobe sm56
[11:54] <chocoIate> i have linux-386
[11:54] <Seveas> w0wie, apt-get install --fix-broken locales
[11:54] <chocoIate> amd processor
[11:54] <AirWays> Okay, now I have very BIG problem
[11:54] <Seveas> chocoIate, try the -k7 version
[11:54] <chocoIate> would that help :o
[11:54] <AirWays> I'm trying to go my Home folder, and it wont open. That filenavigator wont open
[11:54] <Seveas> that could also get your sm56 to work
[11:54] <chocoIate> oh
[11:54] <Seveas> just install the linux-k7 package
[11:54] <w0wie> Seveas: i got an error doing that, The following packages have unmet dependencies:,  locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13, E: Broken packages
[11:54] <chocoIate> i will try it
[11:55] <chocoIate> in the mean time can you tell me how to get acm loaded if i happen not to find it under /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[11:56] <Seveas> w0wie, have you installed another libc??
[11:56] <Seveas> from breezy or debian
[11:56] <IIIEars> chocolate - read the descriptions of each kernel carefully it's easy to pick the wrong one. (please be kind and don't ask me how i know.)
[11:56] <Seveas> chocoIate, you can't :)
[11:56] <Seveas> or you have to compile it from source
[11:56] <chocoIate> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb <-- i have this package
[11:56] <chocoIate> is this all i need
[11:56] <chocoIate> its k7
[11:57] <chocoIate> what about headers, would i need that too :o
[11:57] <Mosi> alright folks, i have to get up in 6 hours and put in a full day in the lab to finish homework before finals week, so i'm off to bed
[11:57] <Seveas> no, but you would need linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7
[11:57] <IIIEars> G'nite Mosi. - Good Luck!
[11:57] <chocoIate> ok i have this also : linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[11:57] <nicklax> Hello to all, anyone knows how can i install a .bin file? it's amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin
[11:58] <chocoIate> but i
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, throw it out
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, and install amsn from the repositories
[11:58] <chocoIate> but i'll have to build the driver for sm56 so i guess i need to install the headers also
[11:58] <Seveas> chocoIate, good one
[11:58] <Seveas> so grab that one too :)
[11:58] <liable> chocoIate: no
[11:58] <w0wie> Seveas: yer i did from packages.ubuntu.org
[11:58] <nicklax> Seveas, you mean tar.gz file?
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, no
[11:58] <Seveas> nicklax, i mean with apt-get or synaptic
[11:58] <liable> chocoIate: the sm56 will *not* work on a 2.6 kernel
[11:58] <Battletux> anyone used apt-spy on ubuntu? is it worth it/
[11:58] <nicklax> ah, debian packages
[11:59] <Seveas> no, ubuntu packages :)
[11:59] <Seveas> w0wie, a breezy libc6?
[11:59] <Seveas> or a hoary libc6?
[11:59] <nicklax> :) Thanks ill give it a try
[11:59] <w0wie> Seveas: i dont know
[11:59] <w0wie> Seveas: i think hoar
[11:59] <w0wie> y
[12:00] <chocoIate> well, i'll give it a try anyway ; thanks both liable and Seveas :P
[12:00] <liable> chocoIate: one sec
[12:00] <w0wie> Seveas: have I completly screwed my locales?
[12:00] <liable> chocoIate: http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?8:msn:18563
[12:00] <Seveas> w0wie, type: dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version
[12:00] <Seveas> and paste the output
[12:01] <liable> chocoIate: had a bit of a look at it today, and the driver wont work at all on a 2.6 kernel
[12:01] <w0wie> Seveas: Version: 2.3.5-1ubuntu2
[12:01] <Seveas> that's a breezy libc
[12:02] <w0wie> Seveas: :O
[12:02] <w0wie> Seveas: so shall i uninstall it and apt-get a new libc
[12:02] <Seveas> well, it's not that easy
[12:02] <Seveas> libc is such an integral cog of your system that i doubt it will *ever* be downgradeable
[12:03] <liable> w0wie: be *very* carefull with libc6, it will make your machine completely broken
[12:03] <telemaco> daniels: ping
[12:03] <chocoIate> oh wow, that really sucks
[12:03] <chocoIate> well, i guess i'm left with trying to fix my usb modem
[12:03] <w0wie> so ive stuffed my machine :O cool
[12:03] <chocoIate> i do not find ACM module listed when i hit lsmod
[12:03] <Seveas> w0wie, your machine works, so you didn't break it
[12:03] <liable> yet
[12:03] <chocoIate> so, i guess i can try modprobe acm
[12:03] <chocoIate> but what if it wont load it or says cant find module
[12:04] <chocoIate> what should i do then :S
[12:04] <Seveas> but you can not reconfigure your locales until you do a complete upgrade to breezy (which is not advisable right now)
[12:04] <liable> chocoIate: try that one Seveas said
[12:04] <chocoIate> you think that one has acm already :o
[12:04] <chocoIate> ok thanks
[12:04] <w0wie> Seveas: oh so hoary is stable version of ubuntu
[12:04] <Seveas> w0wie, yes
[12:04] <liable> chocoIate: the module
[12:04] <Seveas> warty & hoary are stable versions
[12:04] <Seveas> breezy is unstable
[12:05] <w0wie> Seveas: why is it not advisable to switch to breezy
[12:05] <Battletux> how long till breezy get to RC?
[12:05] <Seveas> breezy is unstable <--
[12:05] <Burgundavia> Battletux, a very long while, sometime in Aug. or Sep.
[12:05] <Seveas> Battletux, the first RC will be released in september
[12:05] <Battletux> cool
[12:05] <w0wie> Seveas: so i gotta put up with locales going crazy in the meantime?
[12:05] <Seveas> There will be colony CDs before that, they are relatively stable
[12:06] <Burgundavia> w0wie, you having an issue with locales?
[12:06] <IIIEars> "Colony" - new term
[12:06] <Seveas> Burgundavia, he installed libc6 from breezy and cannot reconfigure locales now since it Depends: on libc6 from hoary
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Seveas, ah
[12:06] <verden01> Colony is the new breezy release?
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Seveas, that was foolish
[12:06] <Seveas> Burgundavia, indeed :)
[12:06] <Seveas> verden01, no
[12:07] <verden01> k
[12:07] <Seveas> Colony cd's are milestone cd's that show progress of Ubuntu development
[12:07] <IIIEars> Beta tester edition? - for those with masochistic tendencies?
[12:07] <verden01> does anyone have the backports repositories working?
[12:07] <Seveas> verden01, do NOT use backports
[12:07] <Seveas> they tend to break things
[12:08] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, I am running breezy, but I haven't shut my machine down in 3 days due to the X bug
[12:08] <verden01> too unstable?
[12:08] <marcel_> when upgrading ubuntu, is it possible to use apt-get, or do you need to use the CD?
[12:08] <IIIEars> Burgundavia - We must be related. I love suspense too. - lol
[12:09] <firasR> Hi all
[12:09] <verden01> apt-get
[12:09] <Burgundavia> marcel_, apt-get
[12:09] <marcel_> nice
[12:10] <verden01> Seveas, whats wrong with the backports repository?
[12:10] <w0wie> hmm i mite switch to unstable watch mu system crash then reinstall hoary
[12:10] <firasR> anyone know how to disable the drum sounds whenever u click or select anything without disabling all "Sounds for events" ?
[12:10] <IIIEars> << - the last living gecko on my disk. was rased tonight.
[12:10] <Seveas>   verden01 what not...
[12:11] <firasR> i've tried removing the individual sounds for each event under "User Interface Events" but it doesn't help ?!
[12:11] <verden01> oh  :)
[12:12] <haydenTNG> hey verden01
[12:13] <verden01> hey haydenTNG
[12:13] <verden01> haydenTNG, hows xfce4 going?
[12:14] <haydenTNG> verden01: yea pretty good, i didnt like the xdm that it came with so installed gdm and am using that to login with
[12:14] <verden01> cool
[12:14] <haydenTNG> verden01: i'm having troubles trying to get an ftp server setup correctly though :(
[12:14] <verden01> oh
[12:15] <verden01> probably can't help you there
[12:15] <haydenTNG> yea
[12:17] <rod> how to make a website think im using mozilla instead of firefox?
[12:17] <rod> http://www.vaya.nl/ just click on the left picture then
[12:17] <rod> redicoulus
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> rod, use the user agent switcher
[12:18] <rod> is that a extension Kamping_Kaiser ?
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> rod. yes, you can get it from the extentions site
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> its called "user agent switcher"
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what it calls itself as, but its there
[12:20] <haydenTNG> verden01: do u use linux as a server or just desktop?
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> Can you create a folder in the / directory?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> as root
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> ah
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> is there a command for it?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> mkdir
[12:21] <linukso> Tron|BoRG: sudo mkdir
[12:21] <Tron|BoRG> thanks :D
[12:21] <AirWays> http://koti.mbnet.fi/airways/muuta/paste/quote.php?id=1138541825428dba3a1acf2 <-- Why that doesnt work?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo mkdir /folder
[12:21] <verden01> haydenTNG, i have an old Celeron box that i have IPcop installed on and use it as a Gateway/firewall
[12:22] <haydenTNG> ok
[12:22] <verden01> my ubuntu box is just for desktop use
[12:22] <haydenTNG> yep
[12:23] <haydenTNG> im using it as a web server/unix box to compile c/java programs
[12:23] <verden01> cool
[12:24] <underdog> morning everyone
[12:24] <nicklax> morning
[12:24] <cusco> hi
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:24] <underdog> does anybody have a fix for the current X (can't find the 'fixed' font) problem?
[12:24] <Seveas> yes
[12:24] <verden01> good evening underdog
[12:24] <Seveas> don't use breezy :)
[12:24] <underdog> Seveas: eheh
[12:25] <underdog> but really... any ideas?
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> force it?
[12:25] <underdog> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean, force it?
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get -f install package
[12:26] <underdog> xfonts-base, I presum
[12:26] <verden01> is breezy very stable atm?
[12:26] <Seveas> verden01, no
[12:26] <Seveas> very UNstable
[12:26] <underdog> verden01: as you can see... no :P
[12:26] <underdog> every update is an adventure to the unknown :)
[12:26] <verden01> :)   i'll stick with hoary for the time being then
[12:27] <haydenTNG> its only ~ a month old remember
[12:27] <verden01> :)
[12:27] <verden01> i know
[12:27] <svenl> hehe.
[12:27] <verden01> but when i've run other debian based systems i've always used unstable
[12:27] <svenl> so, i am not the only one hit by the X bug.
[12:28] <verden01> whats the X bug?
[12:28] <enlightX> Hi *, with the latest upgrade on Breezy, when I try to open a OOo men, the program crashes. It's only a mine problem?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> don't use breezy.
[12:28] <underdog> svenl: have you had a fix yet?
[12:28] <enlightX> HrdwrBoB: tnx :)
[12:28] <haydenTNG> people just can't read eh
[12:29] <enlightX> HrdwrBoB: if it's a common problem, I coult try to help developers
[12:29] <Drako60> how can i test to see if i have a firewall running on my system, from what i can tell i don't but its unclear
[12:29] <svenl> underdog: currently investigating.
[12:30] <underdog> svenl, i think i have the sollution
[12:30] <underdog> :P
[12:31] <Seveas> Drako60, all linux systems come with a firewalling solution. It's built into the kernel.
[12:31] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to mount Nokia Phone via USB datacable QUICK plz!
[12:31] <Seveas> But ubuntu by default has nofirewall configuration enabled
[12:32] <Drako60> hmm
[12:33] <nikolaus> how can i enable then ubuntu's firewall
[12:34] <svenl> eundwhat is the solution ?
[12:34] <liable> nikolaus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/firewall
[12:34] <Seveas> nikolaus, by creating rules for it or by installing the firestarter package
[12:40] <Drako60> something is odd, bceause i can receive files via IRC but not via BT
[12:41] <svenl> underdog: so how did you solve this ?
[12:44] <waxhead> hey everyone
[12:44] <Seveas> hi
[12:44] <waxhead> hey Seveas hows things?
[12:45] <waxhead> just saw the news that breezy is out... and remembered I hadn't been in the channel for some time
[12:45] <Seveas> breezy has been out a few weeks already
[12:45] <Seveas> but it's VERY unstable
[12:45] <Burgundavia> breezy is mostly broken right now
[12:46] <Burgundavia> you could call it stilly, for lack of motion
[12:46] <we2by> I know litle things about christian, Catholics and adventists
[12:46] <enlightX> is there a bugtracker for breexy?
[12:46] <we2by> I just don't like them
[12:46] <Seveas> enlightX, bugzilla.ubuntu.com :)
[12:46] <roadgo> hi,all
[12:46] <Burgundavia> enlightX, same as hoary, bugzilla for main, malone for universe
[12:47] <enlightX> SEBest: obviously :)
[12:48] <roadgo> why  can i install  sarge    on   other harddisk  from ubuntu
[12:49] <Seveas> roadgo, why shouldn't you be able to..?
[12:50] <roadgo> i in ubuntu,i install the sarge  in other  harddisk
[12:50] <Choubaka> Seveas: I think he means "how"
[12:51] <roadgo> what i do
[12:51] <whoiam55> Hi all, anyone good with squid ?
[12:51] <Choubaka> where are you from, roadgo?
[12:51] <Seveas> roadgo, it is clear english is not your native language and quite frankly, i don't understand what you say. Try to find a localized channel
[12:51] <Choubaka> Hehe, yeah.
[12:52] <roadgo> china
[12:52] <Choubaka> hmm.
[12:52] <Seveas> roadgo, try #ubuntu-zh
[12:53] <roadgo>  debootstrap sarge /mnt/debian ftp://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/
[12:53] <roadgo> can't  work
[12:53] <Choubaka> hmm
[12:54] <whoiam55> Hello? anyone good with squid ?
[12:55] <Choubaka> whoiam55: just ask.
[12:55] <roadgo> qwer@road:~$ sudo  debootstrap sarge /mnt/debian ftp://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/
[12:55] <roadgo> Password:
[12:55] <roadgo> sudo: debootstrap: command not found
[12:55] <roadgo> qwer@road:~$ sudo apt-get install  debootstrap
[12:55] <roadgo> Reading package lists... Done
[12:55] <roadgo> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:55] <roadgo> Package debootstrap is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:55] <roadgo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:55] <roadgo> is only available from another source
[12:55] <whoiam55> I want a realtime monitoring tools for squid
[12:55] <roadgo> E: Package debootstrap has no installation candidate
[12:55] <roadgo> qwer@road:~$
[12:55] <Choubaka> roadgo: hm
[12:55] <roadgo> yes
[12:55] <whoiam55> roadgo add some more repository to your /etc/apt/source.list file
[12:56] <Choubaka> add universe to your repositories.
[12:56] <Choubaka> yes.
[12:56] <whoiam55> or try apt-setup
[12:56] <Choubaka> sources.list though
[12:56] <Seveas> Choubaka, debootstrap is in main
[12:56] <Choubaka> Seveas: it is?
[12:56] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[12:56] <Choubaka> oh, of course.
[12:56] <Choubaka> duh
[12:56] <Choubaka> :P
[12:56] <Seveas> roadgo, make sure all repositories mentioned in pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 are in your sources.list
[12:56] <REBELinBLUE> does anyone know when backports will be working again?
[12:57] <Seveas> REBELinBLUE, backports have never worked
[12:57] <Seveas> they only resembled working
[12:57] <REBELinBLUE> handy ;)
[12:57] <whoiam55> Choubaka, do you know any tool for my problem ?
[12:57] <REBELinBLUE> seriously though, I get ISE 500 when downloading a package from there, there is a thread on the forum acknowledging it but it was started like 2 weeks ago
[12:58] <Choubaka> whoiam55: no :/
[12:58] <whoiam55> :(
[12:58] <Choubaka> tried google?
[12:58] <kvidell> REBELinBLUE: That just means no one's made any donations large enough to help with the bandwidth then, I guess.
[12:58] <Choubaka> or apt-cache search?
[12:58] <Seveas> REBELinBLUE, so the server is malfunctioning now
[12:58] <REBELinBLUE> i see
[12:59] <whoiam55> I tried, I got to know a program to monitor my incomming/outgoing acccess
[12:59] <Sherman> Hi!
[12:59] <whoiam55> but I'm not able to install it
[12:59] <whoiam55> name is Watchdog
[12:59] <kvidell> That was the main issue last I heard. Ubuntu-Geek was paying for the BackPorts bandwidth and the Ubuntuforums bandwidth out of pocket and it became a little bit expensive, so he set a throttle on backports.
[12:59] <Seveas> whoiam55, try bwm
[12:59] <Sherman> I have a question - whats the minimum system requirements for Ubuntu 5.04? :P
[12:59] <whoiam55> Seveas lemme check
[12:59] <Seveas> Sherman, depends on which GUI you want
[12:59] <Sherman> soz... ubuntu server :P
[01:00] <whoiam55> Sherman, I'm running it on cel/700/128mb
[01:00] <REBELinBLUE> ah right I see
[01:00] <Seveas> for a server without GUI, you don't need that much :)
[01:00] <Sherman> Well im running it fine on a celery 600Mhz Acer laptop.... but i was thinking on something with only 32MB :S
[01:00] <Seveas> 32MB is a bit too little i think
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> sherman. the install wants 64
[01:01] <morris> sherman, i am running ubuntu on a amd 650 desktop.. runs ok on that too nicely.. did u expect it to be so nice?
[01:01] <Sherman> yer i tried and it failed, so i was wondering what would be the minimum id need
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> if its just for a server i think a p1 200MHz wuold be fine
[01:01] <Drako60> i know someone running debian sarge on a 486 with 16MBs ram as a server
[01:01] <Sherman> morris, nah i was just wondering if it could be done on 32mb :P thats cool  everyone! Thanks!
[01:02] <morris> hehe
[01:02] <Sherman> :D nothing wrong with a meaty 486
[01:02] <whoiam55> Seveas, bwm is good, but what I want is "I want to monitor what my users are browsing"
[01:02] <Seveas> whoiam55, ah
[01:02] <Seveas> you mean for apache
[01:03] <whoiam55> no, I want it for squid
[01:03] <Drako60> yeah he works that 486 too, all his webbrowsing, BT, webserver, and router
[01:03] <InitMass> often when i click on a download link or right click on eg a flash application Firefox crashes. anyone else having the same problem???
[01:03] <Sherman> lol!
[01:03] <Sherman> InitMass, nope
[01:04] <Seveas> whoiam55, squidview maybe?
[01:04] <kvidell> InitMass: Only had that problem with firefox on a mac so far.
[01:04] <whoiam55> thanx, lemme check it too :p
[01:04] <roadgo> Seveasthink you
[01:04] <roadgo> whoiam55 :think you
[01:05] <roadgo> Choubaka:think you
[01:05] <InitMass> kvidell, could you solve it?
[01:05] <kvidell> we installed adblock and updated the swf player :-\
[01:05] <whoiam55> readgo, I believe you mean "Thank you" :D
[01:05] <kvidell> just made sure to nail all the major swf adservers.
[01:06] <Shufla> hello :D
[01:06] <Seveas> kvidell, http://*.swf as adblock pattern works too :)
[01:06] <kvidell> hehe, yes... but then I can't fulfil my weekly idiot-humour quota with dickcream.com
[01:06] <Shufla> i've got powernow-k8. well, my proc is running 1GHz [state P2]  . how to set up it to 2GHz[state P0] ?
[01:06] <Seveas> or http://ad.*.swf and ads.*.swf
[01:07] <Shufla> /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/performance
[01:07] <InitMass> Seveas, kvidell, but the browser crash even when no flash app is running
[01:07] <InitMass> Seveas, kvidell, when clicking on a download link
[01:07] <underdog> I solved the Xorg problem
[01:08] <underdog> svenl: want the fix?
[01:10] <whoiam55> Seaveas, squidview is I think a squid log viewer ? what I want is realtime monitoring, I mean I want to see the traffice of users connecting to squid
[01:10] <whoiam55> *Seveas
[01:10] <whoiam55> ok forget it
[01:10] <whoiam55> :)
[01:11] <svenl> underdog: i fixed it already.
[01:11] <svenl> changed font path to what xfonts-base uses.
[01:12] <Shufla> ok, got it :d
[01:12] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to mount my phone via USB datacable??
[01:12] <Hoxzer> plz
[01:12] <Hoxzer> quicly
[01:12] <wdh> Hoxzer, be patient
[01:12] <wdh> Hoxzer, i'll look into it in another 10 minutes
[01:12] <Hoxzer> I have to go to airplane in 1h
[01:12] <wdh> :P
[01:13] <wdh> Hoxzer, you could try mounting /dev/sda or /dev/sda1
[01:13] <iluciv> why would I be getting this?? E: /cdrom//pool/main/g/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data_2.10.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb:  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/gnome/help/battstat/uk/figures/battstat-preferences.png')
[01:14] <iluciv> have a broken package 'gnome-applets-data and can't seem to fix it
[01:14] <kvidell> Hoxzer: attach the phone, type "hotplug", then type dmesg and see if it sees the phone. If it does, figure out from dmesg what dev entry the phone is and try mounting it to /mnt
[01:15] <kvidell> that's how I get pesky jumpdrives to work, anyway
[01:17] <iluciv> any ideas??
[01:17] <jpfarias> hey people
[01:17] <jpfarias> why does ubuntu-desktop depends on mozilla-firefox?
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> its part of the default install
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> its *the* browser
[01:18] <jango6> slt
[01:18] <jango6> hello all
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:18] <jango6> i hav a problem
[01:18] <jango6> :'(
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[01:18] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: but if I have mozilla installed also, that should not be a dependency, right?
[01:18] <jango6> i just finidh to instal ubuntu
[01:19] <jango6> but i dont find my music
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> mozilla browser? i dont think it is
[01:19] <iveqy> hi, can anyone tell me how to change the resolution of the terminal, in ubuntu?
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 wher was it?
[01:19] <jango6> now
[01:19] <jango6> euh
[01:19] <jango6> in my
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> iveqy, xterm, gnome-terminal?
[01:19] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser, well, my problem is that I am a developer and I need to use gtkmozembed
[01:19] <zyga> does near 90% IOWAIT status in top indicate a problem?
[01:19] <jango6> (i dont know to say it in english!)
[01:19] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser no, not in X
[01:20] <jango6> boot
[01:20] <jango6> no
[01:20] <jango6> hum
[01:20] <zyga> I'm experiencing some very bad nfs performance
[01:20] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: and the default install of mozilla-firefox is missing some components
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[01:20] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser in the terminal I have before even starting X
[01:20] <jango6> i hav xp
[01:20] <jango6> in this machine
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> iveqy, not sure.
[01:20] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: those components are available on the mozilla package
[01:20] <jango6> and music were in
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango ok
[01:20] <jango6> so*?
[01:20] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser ok, thank you anyway
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :S
[01:20] <jango6> arf
[01:21] <liable> iveqy: vga=xxx to your kernel line
[01:21] <jango6> :(
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6, so its on an ntfs partition?
[01:21] <jango6> yes
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> where on the drive (which partition)
[01:21] <iveqy> liable thx :) like: vga=1024*786   ?
[01:21] <jango6> all my media are in a partition
[01:21] <jango6> hum e: i think
[01:21] <liable> iveqy: nup, one sec
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. i use the same setup :D
[01:21] <iveqy> liable ok...
[01:21] <jango6> ^
[01:21] <jango6> ^ ^
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> iveqy what about .bashrc?
[01:22] <jango6> how to get my musik?
[01:22] <riply> liable, like vga=792
[01:22] <jango6> i can"t?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 what partition is it on?
[01:22] <riply> ups , iveqy like vga=792
[01:23] <iluciv> gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data how important are these packages
[01:23] <jango6> IN THE E:
[01:23] <iveqy> Kamping_Kaiser that's just for non-login shells
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:23] <linukso> iluciv: as important as if you want applets, you need them...
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. was D: the cdrom?
[01:24] <jango6> no
[01:24] <jango6> i do a lot of partition
[01:24] <urb85> hi all
[01:24] <jango6> 5 i thnik
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd2 /mnt" try that
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi urb85
[01:24] <jango6> ok thk
[01:24] <jango6> i'm french and only 16
[01:24] <jango6> years
[01:24] <liable> riply: try vga=791
[01:24] <jango6> :s
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 i had 12
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:24] <jango6> 12!!!
[01:24] <jango6> ^
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> all good :) sweet
[01:24] <jango6> where i type that?
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a terminal.
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> applications -> system tools -> terminal
[01:25] <jango6> ok thks
[01:25] <iveqy> liable vga=791 ?
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. if you want you can IM me direct, or you can ask here :)
[01:25] <iluciv> linukso: I've just doen a fresh install and this package is broken?? have used  this cd on other computers though so I don't understand why its brioken on this install (or how to fix it!!)
[01:25] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to mount my phone trought USB cable?
[01:26] <linukso> iluciv: try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:26] <iveqy> riply in what file?
[01:26] <jango6> and?
[01:26] <jango6> thk kamping_Kaiser
[01:26] <jango6> but
[01:27] <jango6> they ask me a password
[01:27] <urb85> Kamping_Kaiser, hi :)
[01:27] <liable> iveqy: in /boot/grub/menu.lst, append to kernel line
[01:27] <jango6> ?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> haxzer. type "hotplug; dmesg |grep usb"
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 its your password
[01:27] <jango6> of XP or utunbu
[01:27] <jango6> ?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu
[01:27] <linukso> Hoxzer: have you tried gsm-utils
[01:28] <jango6> and when i enter the password
[01:28] <jango6> there is nothing
[01:28] <jango6> !
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> good :)
[01:28] <Hoxzer> Linukso:its UMTS G3 phone
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> now type "sudo ls /mnt/"
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should see your files
[01:28] <iluciv> linukso:You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[01:28] <iluciv> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:28] <iluciv>   gnome-applets: Depends: gnome-applets-data (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu2) but it is not installed
[01:28] <iluciv> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[01:29] <jango6> nothing
[01:29] <iveqy> liable ok.. be back :)
[01:29] <linukso> Hoxzer: then I dont know...
[01:29] <jango6> i try with an other than ntfs
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. type "sudo -s"
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:30] <jango6> root@mandalor
[01:30] <linukso> Hoxzer: If you just want to copy stuff to it, and it doesn't show up as a mass-storage-device, then I can't help you....
[01:30] <riply> liable, what if iveqy doesn't have compiled into kernel console framebuffer and virtual framebuffer .. ?
[01:30] <jango6> they say to me
[01:30] <jango6> root@mandalor:...
[01:30] <Tron|BoRG> Is there a way to open folders in the same window??
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:30] <liable> riply: standard kernel does, me thinks
[01:30] <jango6> sorry all but i dont understand english a lot
[01:31] <liable> riply: not console framebuffer, just framebuffer
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6 type "ls /dev/hda <tab> <tab>"
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats ok mate. i can try and make it easy :)
[01:31] <riply> liable, same thing :)
[01:31] <brdweb> how would i go about automounting a partition on a serial ata drive that doesn't load until after the automount sequence?
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> brdweb. theres somthing about that on fhte forums
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have to go find it :S
[01:32] <jango6> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `<'
[01:32] <liable> riply: we'll see in about another 30 secs :)
[01:32] <jango6> they say that to me : V
[01:32] <jango6> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `<'
[01:32] <brdweb> Kaiser: thanks, i'll search some more....
[01:32] <riply> liable, :)
[01:32] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: I think ubuntu-desktop dependency should be (mozilla-firefox || mozilla)
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6, when i say <tab> you press the tab key :) just above caps lock
[01:32] <jango6> lol ok
[01:32] <jpfarias> Kamping_Kaiser: the same for most packages depending on mozilla-firefox
[01:32] <jango6> srry^
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> jpfarias. im not sure.
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.then jp
[01:33] <jango6> ok
[01:33] <jango6> now
[01:33] <jango6> i hav list
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you message it to me?
[01:33] <jango6> all?K???????,,
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. but privately
[01:33] <riply> how can i check for the CPU temp ? i do have ACPI installed but i don't know where to look , in /proc/acpi doesn't show
[01:33] <jango6> ok
[01:35] <wdh> riply, lm-sensors iirc
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. try this instead "ls /dev/ |grep hd"
[01:35] <jango6> ok
[01:36] <linukso> riply: shure you've got acpi?
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> jango6. i asked to send me the list privatly or you would have been kicked from the channel :)
[01:36] <riply> linukso, yep
[01:36] <jango6> i do!
[01:36] <linukso> riply: but no /proc/acpi ?
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you message me that list?
[01:37] <riply> linukso, no no i do have /proc/acpi , just didn't know where to find it
[01:37] <Xgates> is this sound info still accurate ---> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly in this SECTION --> How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME?, making the /etc/asound.conf on #8
[01:37] <Xgates> hmm
[01:37] <linukso> riply: ah, hehe
[01:37] <linukso> riply: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[01:37] <Tron|BoRG> does anyone find gnome not working after you install the updates?
[01:37] <liable> riply: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
[01:37] <linukso> riply: I read "/proc/acpi doesn't show" ....
[01:37] <Xgates> because over at alsa they show you use for your card its module name as a replacement for --> pcm.card0 {
[01:38] <Xgates> it seems like sound runs just fine withouth  /etc/asound.conf
[01:38] <iluciv> can I grab the package 'gnome-applets-data' form some-other repository other than the cdrom??
[01:38] <Xgates> anyone know?
[01:38] <hor> When i wake my pc up from a suspend, the device /dev/dsp doesn't exist anymore
[01:38] <riply> linukso, sorry
[01:38] <riply> liable, k
[01:39] <iluciv> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:39] <iluciv>  /cdrom//pool/main/g/gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data_2.10.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[01:39] <iluciv> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know whats the deal with Ubuntu 5.04 "Developement edition"?
[01:40] <riply> wdh, thanks , i think i'll go to xsensors
[01:41] <Hoxzer^^> what is good softaware for changing Mp3's bitrate?
[01:41] <Despair> Hoxzer^^: there really isn't any. transcoding worsens quality.
[01:43] <sysLink> Hey anyone know of any apps that are similar to 3D Desktop?
[01:44] <sysLink> (allows for a cool 3d effect when selecting one of the virtual desktops
[01:44] <katzor> afaik its the only one that does this
[01:44] <katzor> whats wrong with it?
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> syslink. looked at freedesktop.org?
[01:45] <sysLink> katzor:: it uses a little to much of my laptops resources :(
[01:45] <sysLink> Kamping_Kaiser:: no but Ill go check it out
[01:46] <brdweb> syslink: how about kompose?
[01:46] <Hoxzer^^> How I can change the fucking mp3 bitrate to lower?
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget which are the good ones, but theres a few there iirc
[01:46] <sysLink> katzor:: my xvid stuff wont play smoothly if 3ddesk is running :(
[01:46] <Hoxzer^^> so software now!
[01:46] <katzor> does anyone know how to load the gtk theme (instead of the grey-sucky default) without running gnome-theme-manager?
[01:46] <brdweb> syslink: it's not 3D, but it provieds a nice interface
[01:46] <linukso> Hoxzer^^: try lame
[01:46] <sysLink> brdweb:: Ill check out kompose now too
[01:46] <katzor> using enlightenment
[01:47] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[01:47] <linukso> Hoxzer^^: see man lame -> --mp3input
[01:49] <katzor> does anyone know how to load the gtk theme (instead of the grey-sucky default) without running gnome-theme-manager? ...sorry for repeat
[01:49] <linukso> katzor: think you can run gnome-settings-daemon
[01:50] <katzor> ill try
[01:50] <katzor> *try
[01:50] <katzor> it works!
[01:50] <katzor> thanks
[01:50] <linukso> katzor: great!
[01:50] <katzor> cu
[01:50] <wdh> Hoxzer^^, were you the one trying to mount a phone through usb?
[01:51] <sysLink> brdweb:: so is kompose just a more powerfull Alt-Tab type thing?
[01:52] <yahalom> anyway gnome would work on celeron 500 mhz 65 mb ram?
[01:52] <wdh> sysLink, more or less
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, execpt for the ram
[01:53] <sysLink> crap... i just run it in terminal...
[01:53] <wdh> sysLink, think expos on mac OSX
[01:54] <brdweb> sysLink: basically yes... wdh has it right, it's like expose but with access to your virtual desktops too
[01:54] <Kevin> i need to know how i can make XMMS my default mp3 media player in ubunut
[01:55] <jango6> ya des francais ici?
[01:55] <wdh> jango6: /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:57] <jango6> ok
[01:57] <jango6> thks
[01:58] <linukso> Kevin: right-click on an mp3-file, select properties, in the tab "Open with" you can select the default app.
[01:59] <Kevin> ok thanks
[02:00] <jango6> and
[02:00] <jango6> save as
[02:00] <kestas> is there a good gtk alternative to compose?
[02:00] <kestas> is there a good gtk alternative to *kompose?
[02:00] <Sir> can anyone tell me what's ubuntu 5.04 su password . when I installed it i dident create a password because ubuntu install didn't aske me that.
[02:00] <kestas> I tried skippy but it was buggy as hell
[02:00] <kestas> Sir: sudo sh
[02:00] <linukso> Sir: sudo passwd root
[02:01] <jango6> bye all
[02:01] <omV0> is there a way to increase the power of Evolution's junk filters? I used to use Thunderbird and it filtered 99% of junk, but now that I use Evolution the junk doesn't stop pouring in
[02:01] <Sir> thanx
[02:02] <mjr> kestas, I don't know if it's any good but I seem to recall something about Expocity
[02:02] <kestas> mjr do you know what the key code is for expocity? I compiled and ran it but there was absolutely no documentation
[02:02] <kestas> mjr I mean the key code to run the expose like feature
[02:03] <mjr> no idea
[02:03] <kestas> s
[02:03] <kestas> k
[02:03] <Kevin> any one know a Nero like burning software for ubunutu
[02:03] <Riddell> Kevin: k3b
[02:03] <mjr> well
[02:03] <mjr> there's Nero
[02:03] <Choubaka> Nerolike?
[02:03] <screamz> thaugt there is a nero for linux
[02:03] <Choubaka> Nero, yes :P
[02:03] <mjr> and then there's gcombust and friends
[02:03] <screamz> and k3b looks like nero :D
[02:03] <Kevin> well i don't even know how to burna  cd on ubunutu i don't see any burning tools in the application window
[02:03] <wdh> does anyone have any idea whether the unichrome drivers will be included into ubuntu any time soon? (breezy maybe?)
[02:04] <Kevin> k3b is for gnome also?
[02:04] <Choubaka> nah
[02:04] <hhurtta> screamz: there IS nero for linux...
[02:04] <Choubaka> k3b is QT
[02:04] <Kevin> i need something for the default ubunutu desktop system, I think it's gnome
[02:04] <wdh> Kevin, but it does work quite nice.. it needs the qt libraries though.. so uses much memory
[02:05] <Kevin> ohh
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomebaker
[02:05] <Kevin> gnomebaker a bunring tool?
[02:05] <wdh> Kevin, yep.. or graveman
[02:05] <Kevin> ok i'll check them
[02:05] <Kevin> on synaptic
[02:08] <haydenTNG> does anyone know how to configure vsftpd and can write a basic conf file for me?
[02:09] <Blissex> haydenTNG: consider reading http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[02:09] <morris> vsftpd is easy to install
[02:09] <morris> very sexy too
[02:10] <Blissex> haydenTNG: and a basic config gile usually comes with the 'vsftpd' package.
[02:11] <haydenTNG> i'll take that as a no
[02:11] <Blissex> haydenTNG: try 'locate vsftpd.conf' for a good time :-)
[02:11] <wdh> haydenTNG, just try :)
[02:12] <Blissex> haydenTNG: you have just asked something like ''anybody here who wants to be my personal bitch?'' that does often get a good response.
[02:12] <Blissex> haydenTNG: you have just asked something like ''anybody here who wants to be my personal bitch?'' that does [NOT]  often get a good response.
[02:13] <wdh> haydenTNG, writing configs for you isnt going to help you permanently :) so if we let you figure it out by yourself, you wont be needing help the next time :)
[02:14] <morris> i hope the TNG doesnt stand for "the next generation"
[02:14] <morris> eheh
[02:14] <haydenTNG> no
[02:15] <morris> just kidding
[02:15] <othernoob> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=325320 anyone an idea ?
[02:15] <morris> im up to my eyes in stress, just letting off some some steam ;)
[02:15] <kestas> haydenTNG: I have a vsftpd.conf file
[02:16] <haydenTNG> dw kestas
[02:17] <kestas> k
[02:17] <desti> all ubuntu torrent trackers are down again? :-/
[02:18] <XhyldazhK> hi... where can i submit packages?
[02:19] <RedGreenBlue> is there a graphical utility for setting up a screwy keyboard?
[02:26] <saloxin> hello all, I'm having cupsys issues. When I add a new printer the dialog box freezes, and my cups/error_log says: E [20/May/2005:06:34:44 +0200]  AddCert: Unable to create certificate file /etc/cups/certs/0 - Permission denied . ls as root on that file also gives permission denied :-(
[02:27] <whyameye> network issues: I have the host set to ZT1260 but my wireless router says the host for my IP is (null)
[02:27] <whyameye> also, how do I find out my current IP address?
[02:27] <liable> whyameye: ifconfig
[02:27] <saloxin> whyameye: /sbin/ifconfig
[02:28] <whyameye> liable and saloxin: thanks, ifconfig works.
[02:30] <whyameye> so where can I set the host name for my router to find? I don't know the terminology on Linux but on WinXP it is the name of my computer.
[02:31] <liable> whyameye: using dhcp?
[02:33] <whyameye> liable: dhcp assigns an IP address. I want my home network to have a name associated with this address.
[02:33] <liable> whyameye: /etc/dhpg*.conf, set it inthere
[02:33] <liable> *dhcp
[02:35] <whyameye> liable: there's no file currently there by that name.
[02:36] <liable> whyameye: sudo dpkg -l dhcp*
[02:37] <liable> whyameye: there will be some sort of dhcp.conf file in there, depending on the client
[02:39] <whyameye> liable: thanks. It seems to be called /dhcp3/dhclient.conf on my system. I'll give it a shot...
[02:39] <Shadowkid> Hello
[02:40] <Tron|BoRG> hi all!
[02:41] <whyameye> liable: thanks! That worked!
[02:41] <liable> whyameye: np :)
[02:41] <Shadowkid> Does a Quicktime-plugin exist for Linux ?
[02:42] <burgermann> Say the login manager doesn't work, is there any way to get a console before starting X?
[02:42] <liable> burgermann: alt-ctrl-f1 after it starts will still work
[02:43] <liable> Shadowkid: yes, quicktime-utils?
[02:43] <burgermann> yeh, just got one tiny problem.... by keyboard doesn't work when X starts :S
[02:43] <Shadowkid> yeah
[02:44] <burgermann> I need the console before X appears...
[02:45] <kestas> how are you going to use a console to make your keyboard work?
[02:45] <Shadowkid> And is it necessary to use RealPlayer for ram-FIles?
[02:45] <liable> burgermann: boot into rescue mode
[02:46] <burgermann> Ye. did that.. no differnce =(
[02:47] <jango6> ya des francais?
[02:47] <jango6> what is the french room
[02:47] <jango6> ?
[02:48] <liable> jansen: #ubuntu-fr?
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> who knows how to hide a directory?
[02:49] <morris> in some situations u can do
[02:49] <morris> mkdir .directory
[02:49] <morris> the . makes it not seeable when normaly doing ls
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> oh
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> :D
[02:49] <Tron|BoRG> i'll try that
[02:49] <morris> but.. it also means
[02:49] <haydenTNG> i'm still having troubles configuring vsftpd, im trying to create a virtual user, i followed this http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ftp.html, but can't figure out why its not going
[02:49] <morris> the directory is called .directory ;)
[02:50] <Tron|BoRG> hmm
[02:51] <DaBlade> Hello
[02:51] <Tron|BoRG> I made a Ext3 partition, and I want to put all my data on there, but theres a load of other folders being a nusance. I dont really want to see them
[02:51] <DaBlade> Recently I've been experiencing random freezeups, usually (but not always) during screensaver mode
[02:51] <k> is the hoary archive updated frequently (security holes etc..), for example as by debian?
[02:52] <DaBlade> Can anyone help me stop them from happening? I'm running Kubuntu Horay.
[02:52] <crimsun_> k: hoary-security is updated as fast as humanly possible for the security team
[02:52] <kent> Trickyphillips, name the folders to hide ".folder" , if you missed that message abolve telling you that.