[20:21] <RobinJ> herp
[20:21] <dpm_> thanks ajmitch, about to :)
[20:21] <Guest46521>  neuro hope u know how it hurts
[20:21] <mikhas> you seem to have figured out how to make OMG Ubuntu a *nice* source for news, at least
[20:21] <neuro> Guest46521: it hurts?
[20:21] <Guest46521> neuro: it truly does
[20:21] <neuro> i don't understand
[20:21] <AlanBell> d0od: are you coming to the release party in London?
[20:21] <neuro> read docs, read code, learn, play with stuff
[20:22] <Guest46521> neuro: i try too to
[20:22] <neuro> so what's the problem? :)
[20:22] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: Do you feel that slashdot is part of the reason this whole Amazon thing got out of hand?
[20:22] <mikhas> try to find a mentor that can help with the first steps
[20:22] <Annnonnn2> I mean it was all lies that stuff thre
[20:22] <Tyler-J-B> I definitely have my criticisms about Unity, especially on multi-mon setups. And I'm somebody that loves Unity.
[20:22] <neuro> mikhas++
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> Annnonnn2: when did it get out of hand?
[20:22] <popey> "I can swear can't I? Looking at the clock in the UK" :D
[20:22] <mikhas> Annnonnn2, yeah, damn those news sites that report about Ubuntu!
[20:23] <aquarius> is after the watershed :P
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> popey: 21:23 here in the UK

[20:23] <Annnonnn2> ActionParsnip: When they started claiming some ridiculous stuff and only corrected it about 12-14 hours later
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> Annnonnn2: not seen any of that
[20:23] <Guest46521> neuro:  i an a py fan, so now if i have a multi module app i cant just figure out how to understand it
[20:23] <neuro> ActionParsnip: i think popey knows what the time is in the UK :)))
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> neuro: I assume nothing
[20:24] <Guest46521> neuro: throw to me an ubuntu app to start with
[20:24] <Guest46521> neuro: a small nice one
[20:24] <neuro> Guest46521: i'm not an ubuntu dev
[20:24] <neuro> Guest46521: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonBooks
[20:25] <neuro> WINNING
[20:25] <TurtlezOnBacon> Well Kickstarter is bringing a bunch of Linux games.
[20:26] <mikhas> dholbach, games are often enough incredibly hard to write
[20:26] <neuro> good games, anyway
[20:26] <mikhas> who wants to write bad games?
[20:26] <mikhas> utility tools or small helper applications are much easier, IMO
[20:26] <bobweaver> games take 3 years to make
[20:26] <bobweaver> or more
[20:26] <bobweaver> 3d
[20:26] <bobweaver> that is
[20:27] <neuro> mikhas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comp.sys.sinclair_Crap_Games_Competition
[20:27] <mikhas> 3d graphics actually make certain aspects easier. in 2d, you'd have to do all the sprites manually
[20:27] <mikhas> neuro, hah
[20:27] <Leblinux> Will there be an update for Thunderbird email or Evolution to support connection to Ms Exchange 2007/2010?
[20:27] <neuro> d0od: QUESTION: Do a dance?
[20:28] <popey> People read slashdot?
[20:28] <RobinJ> QUESTION to Joey; Why aren't you participating? :p
[20:28] <ajmitch> popey: a few still do
[20:28]  * AlanBell reads slashdot
[20:28] <mikhas> popey, it's more an addiction thing really
[20:28] <marcoceppi> digg?
[20:28] <neuro> popey: seems so
[20:28] <bkerensa> mhall119: it was on r/linux first before slashdot
[20:28] <NameError> i guess it was reddit
[20:28] <popey> retro
[20:28] <mikhas> yeah
[20:28] <mikhas> 15 years of /.
[20:28] <mikhas> \o/
[20:28] <AlanBell> don't follow reddit or digg at all
[20:28] <neuro> i gave up /. years ago
[20:28] <bkerensa> LOL
[20:29] <neuro> and the register too
[20:29] <bkerensa> AlanBell: lol
[20:29] <mikhas> AlanBell, HN is the new reddit, anyways
[20:29] <bobweaver> Question: I myself have just started packaging not to long ago .  At the last UDS there was talk about a new way of packaging I think that it had something to do with json or somesorta web interface . I also notice that there are thing like susebuilder. Is there any plains like that for Ubuntu and or what is up with that web packaging stuff that I heard about at the last UDS  Thanks
[20:29] <dscassel> Photoshop. Definitely photoshop.
[20:29] <black_puppydog> photoshop, yeah...
[20:29] <neuro> you think
[20:29] <AlanBell> gimp is fine
[20:29] <neuro> surely most serious photoshop users will have just bought a win-pc or a mac already
[20:30] <black_puppydog> oh, how could i not say steam on that?
[20:30] <bobweaver> unity-3d is such a HUGE step for linux
[20:30] <black_puppydog> so excited!
[20:30] <mikhas> regarding good games: the last humble bundle was nice, all games seemed to work in Ubuntu
[20:30] <bobweaver> gaming that is
[20:30] <rewritable> AutoCAD maybe
[20:30] <mikhas> bobweaver, agree
[20:30] <neuro> and it's not just photoshop, the whole creative suite is really needed
[20:30] <dscassel> AlanBell: Only if you're starting from scratch. If you've put 15 years into learning Photoshop, you're not going tos witch.
[20:30] <neuro> dscassel++
[20:30] <AlanBell> dscassel: so I have spent 15 years using gimp, I am not going to switch to Photoshop :)
[20:31] <mikhas> but with unity-3d engine, expect more games being *designed* for web or tablets but being "ported" to PC, same as what we observed with games primarily targeting consoles
[20:31] <bobweaver> With steam and unity-3d comming that will pressure UDK to come next
[20:31] <aquarius> QUESTION: is the fact that very few apps for Ubuntu are Ubuntu-specific a bad thing? Random example I noticed today: http://hammerformac.com/ -- some sort of dev tool. It proudly proclaims "Built for Lion + Mountain Lion: Developed exclusively for Mac". Are there enough people proud of developing exclusively for Ubuntu? Should people be proud of that?
[20:31] <neuro> AlanBell: then you're fine :)
[20:31] <mhall119> zoopster: hey, want to join our hangout?
[20:31] <Leblinux> Also could Ubuntu software center support Procy Auth like Synaptics???
[20:31] <AlanBell> but really who uses photoshop? It is like £600
[20:31] <neuro> AlanBell: people who pay for the tools they need
[20:31] <agmenor> Novacut could be an "exclusive" app ?
[20:31] <AlanBell> yeah, but it is a niche product
[20:31] <mhall119> AlanBell: people who charge thousands for photography work
[20:31] <neuro> niche products are usually expensive
[20:31] <AlanBell> lots of people might use ripped off photoshop
[20:32] <neuro> this is why AutoCAD doesn't cost 10 quid
[20:32] <AlanBell> but it isn't a mass market product
[20:32] <bobweaver> I will but unity-3d (4.0) when it makes it here and that is super $$
[20:32]  * neuro thinks for the power it gives, photoshop (and CS) are good value for money
[20:32] <rewritable> true, but it is one of the reasons why business users won't consider linux on the desktop
[20:32] <neuro> especially if you can recoup the cost by using them professionally
[20:32] <bobweaver> same if sony made there video editing software for *nix
[20:33] <snwh> and that Linux users pay the most on average for the Humble Bundle is good
[20:33] <mikhas> jono, the software center integration could still need some work perhaps: there was no "batch install" for the whole Humble Bundle, for instance
[20:33] <tenach> snwh: for sure
[20:33] <AlanBell> rewritable: ok, I get the point for graphic design agencies, but real businesses don't have people sitting about on photoshop
[20:34] <tenach> Awesome hat jcastro_ !
[20:34] <neuro> AlanBell: "real businesses"?
[20:34] <popey> yeah mikhas that would be handy
[20:34] <mhall119> AlanBell: yes they do
[20:34] <tenach> AlanBell: I know a lot of people who live in Photoshop
[20:34] <k1fri> QUESTION:  until now, i've told people: install ubuntu and you'll be a lot freer than using microsoft or apple software. ( + you won’t have any malware). now i’m gonna have to tell people, install ubuntu, it’s a great software, BUT first thing you have to do is remove the amazon-dash.......it reminds me of “xp-antispy”, remember?? clustering my desktop with ads and violating my privacy by sending everything i do to ama
[20:34] <jcastro_> tenach, thanks!
[20:34] <tenach> For their "real business"
[20:34] <AlanBell> neuro: well anyone who isn't a design agency or art department
[20:34] <black_puppydog> mhall: +1, the most definitely do
[20:34] <k1fri> go together?
[20:34] <neuro> you're embarrassing yourself, sir
[20:34] <AlanBell> tenach: doing what?
[20:35] <bobweaver> package me that was it
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> k1fri: if you install Xubuntu, Kubuntu or Lubuntu you don't get the amazon stuff
[20:35] <neuro> i know photographers, architects, web designers, engineers ... who use photoshop
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> k1fri: it doesn't send anything as the results are random as far as I am aware
[20:35] <mikhas> dholbach, autotools is the poster child of packagers, no? ;-)
[20:35] <tenach> AlanBell: Graphics designers and web developers. I have even spent a good month of time in Photoshop (but now use GIMP religiously). I was using it 8hrs a day just about, for designing systems.
[20:35] <Annnonnn2> neuro: engineers? what for? Proper CAD software on Linux would be nice tough
[20:36] <penreturns> +1 ActionParsnip
[20:36] <Annnonnn2> *though
[20:36] <tenach> I realize my sentence may not have been very well structured. Apologies.
[20:36] <helder_raptor> How good a replacement is Gimp for photoshop?
[20:36] <AlanBell> financial services, manufacturing, engineering, etc
[20:36] <neuro> AlanBell: how do you think a lot of mobile app developers create the graphics for their apps?
[20:36] <bobweaver> thanks again for the great answers all,
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> helder_raptor: I'd say it was pretty decent
[20:36] <mikhas> there is a weird echo in the stream now
[20:36] <neuro> how do you think architects create/touch up mockup art?
[20:36] <helder_raptor> ActionParsnip: Was ... why was?
[20:36] <mikhas> neuro, hopefully on paper =p
[20:36] <neuro> ha
[20:36] <dholbach> will have to restart my browser - the google plugin is going crazy again
[20:36] <dholbach> brb
[20:37] <Annnonnn2> neuro: but architecs =/= engineers
[20:37] <neuro> so we're playing the semantics game now?
[20:37] <FroztyUK> annoying audio echo
[20:37] <bobweaver>  \0/   about /opt
[20:37] <neuro> bottom line, Adobe's Creative Suite is used by way more than just "designers and art departments"
[20:37] <Annnonnn2> neuro: No, I just asked about something else.
[20:37] <tenach> neuro: +1
[20:37] <Annnonnn2> That definitely is true
[20:37] <neuro> yes, it would be nice to see it on Linux
[20:38] <neuro> but it will still cost $$$ (and there will be complaints about that)
[20:38] <Annnonnn2> AutoCAD would be another thing though
[20:38] <mikhas>  /opt is fine for everything that does not really integrate with the rest of the packaged software but rather "rolls their own"
[20:38] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess
[20:38] <snwh> as someone who does some (amateur) photography the miscellaneous Adobe stuff light Lightroom would be nice as well
[20:38] <snwh> like*
[20:38] <k1fri> ActionParsnip: i won't use the other flavours, because i love unity
[20:38] <Annnonnn2> A lot of engineers need that for their work and most do not care about much beyond having AutoCAD
[20:38] <neuro> Annnonnn2: ^ this
[20:39] <black_puppydog> mikhas: those are the wors. also execution wise, mostly....
[20:39] <rewritable> Annnonnn2: yes
[20:39] <neuro> maybe a dalliance into a spreadsheet once in a while, but autocad is their world, i've seen that before
[20:39] <neuro> "1990s linux guy"!! :)
[20:39] <NameError> QUESTION: App showdown was great. Is there a follow up to encourage developers to actively maintain it, maybe build a small upstream community around the app?
[20:39] <tenach> mhall119: That's how the last IT guy at my work was...
[20:39] <neuro> "here's a nickel, kid ..."
[20:40] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: Will the process for apps that require cd-keys be somehow improved? It appears many people miss the part where they're supposed to check their email for that
[20:40] <neuro> I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD MY NEW APP IN COBOL
[20:40] <tenach> jono: !! I agree. It's better than half-baked applications that try to build for most of Linux, but try to hae some of the 'deep' integrations into Ubuntu (and not do it well)
[20:41] <neuro> USING HTML 3.2
[20:41] <neuro> AND <blink> AND <marquee>
[20:41] <snwh> I will keep using FORTRAN 77!
[20:41] <neuro> \o/
[20:41] <neuro> LOGO!
[20:41] <PochecusPrime> suP all ^^.
[20:41]  * neuro looks up
[20:41] <juanc> No participo porque no hablo Ingles, pero entiendo algo.
 AND <blink> AND <marquee> << marquee actually came back in html5 :p
[20:42] <black_puppydog> "[22:41] <neuro> AND <blink> AND <marquee>" what is the neuro tag? ;)
[20:42] <neuro> RobinJ: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[20:42] <neuro> black_puppydog: <angryscotsman>
[20:42] <rewritable> COBOL??
[20:42] <neuro> COBOL!
[20:42] <rewritable> lolcode
[20:42] <RobinJ> neuro: http://webdesign.about.com/od/css3tutorials/a/marquee-in-css.htm
[20:42] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: Something something window indicators
[20:43] <neuro> IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
[20:43] <TurtlezOnBacon> Wut...
[20:43] <snwh> I'd like to see zeigeist recently used by this program in the quicklists.
[20:43] <neuro> PROGRAM-ID. MY-AWESOME-WEB-APP.
[20:43] <neuro> PROCEDURE DIVISION.
[20:43] <neuro>     DISPLAY '<html>'.
[20:43] <mikhas> mhall119, not every library makes correct use of XDG specs (see for instance resolving paths)
[20:44] <neuro> RobinJ: oh dear god, no
[20:44] <mhall119> mikhas: true, but that's an implementation bug, not an intent problem
[20:44] <mikhas> ideally, app developers would not have to think about XDG
[20:44] <neuro> The new tagline for OMG! Ubuntu! ... "d0od: I'm not a developer, so I don't really know" :)
[20:45] <mikhas> neuro, I actually think it helps Joey that he's not a dev
[20:45] <neuro> BRING ME THE UBUNTU CLOUD GUY
[20:45] <neuro> mikhas: agreed
[20:45] <mikhas> otherwise, you'd get yet another dev-oriented POV
[20:45] <seb128> jcastro_, \o ;-)
[20:45] <neuro> yarp
[20:45] <tedg> jcastro_, Yes, you can make it suck everywhere :-)
[20:45] <RobinJ> web apps are too complex for most users
[20:45] <agmenor> I just tested it : Minitube does use the HUD. Did I misunderstand Joey ?
[20:45] <Sweetsha1k> tedg: yes, go for it!
[20:46] <Sweetsha1k> tedg: do we start a web vs. desktop flamewar?
[20:46] <Sweetsha1k> ....oO(please?)
[20:46] <aquarius> totally agree with d0od on this. That sort of thing (apps do their own menus) doesn't happen on, for example, OS X, because there's a strong culture of working with the desktop and users dislike it when an app does not. The Ubuntu user community either doesn't mind when apps work strangely, or are unwilling to push back on apps that do it; I don't know which.
[20:46] <bobweaver>  Is Harvest still working dholbach
[20:46] <tedg> Sweetsha1k, There is only a war if the other team has weapons... it'd be an unfair fight and I'm a gentleman.
[20:46] <aquarius> not sure if mhall119 agrees with that, though :) ^^
[20:47] <neuro> aquarius++
[20:47] <balloons> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+spec/other-design-p-papercuts-future
[20:47] <Sweetsha1k> tedg: true dat.
[20:47] <mikhas> aquarius, I certainly dislike it when apps appear broken in Unity
[20:47] <mhall119> aquarius: that's not quite true
[20:47] <mhall119> X11 apps on OSX don't handle menus properly
[20:47] <luisalvarado> QUESTION: With the integration of webapps, will it be easier for developers to create apps that use existing webapps to connect to sites like Google+, Facebook and Twitter in a since to reduce code work.
[20:47] <tenach> I miss the prominence of bite-size bugs.
[20:47] <neuro> mhall119: that's sort of a special case though
[20:47] <tedg> aquarius, It happens all the time on OSX... look at their panel, almost every menu works slightly differently because they have no controls.
[20:47] <aquarius> mhall119, indeed -- and every OS X user I know hates X11 apps for precisely that reason ;)
[20:47] <neuro> :)
[20:47] <jcastro_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-September/035924.html
[20:47] <RobinJ> If I had to file every bug or crash I came across, I'd waste a lot of time doing it :/ No offense, I love Ubuntu, but it's not stable.
[20:47] <mikhas> recent example: Libre Office and window managment, because the desktop file for Libre Office uses a different binary name than what is used for the Unity bar
[20:47] <tenach> jcastro_: Thanks!
[20:48] <mhall119> aquarius: so if we say "All GTK apps will work with the menus", we'd be just like Mac
[20:48] <mikhas> fixable in 5min  (for one desktop file), but seems as if upstream does not think about the problem
[20:48] <bobweaver> If Harvest is still up that was great! for finding bit size bugs
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: never had an isue
[20:49] <dholbach> aquarius and everyone else: rounding is fixed :)
[20:49] <aquarius> dholbach, good one :)
[20:49] <dholbach> yeah, javascript hero strikes back
[20:49] <mikhas> dholbach, but now it's lying!
[20:49] <mhall119> donate more until it breaks again
[20:49] <dholbach> haha
[20:49] <ajmitch> mikhas: probably not trivial due to it using the same binary name for all LO apps, so it ends up not being bitesized
[20:49] <dholbach> mikhas, don't think so :)
[20:49] <mikhas> ajmitch, yep, it's aa real problem for upstream projects: which primary downstream do we fully support?
[20:50] <mikhas> IE, what is the gold standard?
[20:50] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: that seems like the typical "open source software contains no bugs, claiming otherwise is blasphemy" answer. there's nobody who uses a computer weekly who never had any issues with his operating system.
[20:50] <Sweetsha1k> mhall119, dholbach: Maybe you should make it "Insert coin, so that we fix the webpage"?
[20:50] <jcastro_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-September/035924.html
[20:50] <dholbach> Sweetsha1k, haha
[20:50] <dholbach> nice one
[20:50] <snwh> £ 3839.57 nice
[20:50] <luisalvarado> jcastro_,  QUESTION: With the integration of webapps, will it be easier for developers to create apps that use existing webapps to connect to sites like Google+, Facebook and Twitter in a since to reduce code work.
[20:50] <bobweaver> http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[20:51] <aquarius> mhall119, we roughly *do* say that. But for apps that deliberately don't use standard menus -- d0od's examples, etc -- they see a benefit for themselves, but lose out on the larger picture because the HUD doesn't work with them
[20:51] <neuro> don't forget the 0.0000000000006!
[20:51] <mikhas> strange to hear mhall119 talking about Pounds ;-)
[20:51] <tenach> neuro: that went away haha
[20:51] <mhall119> you're telling me
[20:51] <tenach> I do!
[20:51] <tenach> A bit.
[20:51] <neuro> tenach: awwww
[20:51] <neuro> i haven't refreshed for a while
[20:52] <tenach> neuro: I know. I was happy to see all the 00000s
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: my hardware is super Linux friendly and I web browse and chat. I look after 5 datacentres full of servers as well as my own home systems so pretty much use computers all the time, no issues with my home gear
[20:52] <neuro> floating point fails are always fun
[20:52] <tenach> For sure.
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: all software has issues though
[20:52] <luisalvarado> jcastro_, in a since that a single API could be used to connect to multiple social medias
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: what desktops have you tried?
[20:52] <Sweetsha1k> d0od: Also for the menu stuff, I would love your feedback on the LibreOffice unity integration currently building on https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-precisetest-20120327 once they are build.
[20:52] <Sweetsha1k> ;)
[20:53] <balloons> webapps link? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYmMvqqo4E&feature=plcp
[20:53] <popey> webapps is in
[20:53] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/unity-web-api-reference.html
[20:53] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: you mean desktop environments, or desktop systems?
[20:53] <snwh> QUESTION: Is anyone aware whether Ubuntu online accounts would integrate with a default mail client?; similar to the way that gwibber does for social networking
[20:53] <AlanBell> popey: did it arrive in firefox? I think I saw a webapps thing today in FF
[20:53] <luconga-PERU> hello
[20:53] <Annnonnn2> webapps still is wonky for me - it just launches another window of firefox...
[20:53] <balloons> AlanBell, that's what those pop-ups are :-)
[20:53] <luconga-PERU> alguien para que me enseñe ubuntu 12.04
[20:53] <luisalvarado> Thank you jcastro_
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: desktop environments
[20:54] <aquarius> vague correction for mhall119: it's not just web *apps* that can integrate with Unity, it's any website at all. I know you know this, but maybe it wasn't clear when calling them "web apps" :)
[20:54] <NameError> QUESTION: App showdown was great. Is there a follow up to encourage developers to actively maintain it, maybe build a small upstream community around the app?
[20:54] <tenach> mhall119: I agree totally.
[20:55] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: gnome 2, gnome 3, cinnamon, unity, unity 2d, fluxbox, icewm (i know, window managers, not real desktop environments), kde, lxde, xfce, just a command line
[20:55] <k1fri> i'd love someone to write a rhapsody/napster-webapp
[20:55] <Sweetsha1k> jono still owes me the pictures for my tAoC book.
[20:55] <RobinJ> NameError: my app is still pending review lol so i'm not really encouraged right now to actively maintain it
[20:55] <neuro> k1fri: do you want to integrate altavista search too? :)
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> unity and uinity2d arent desktops, they are shells for gnome :)
[20:56] <Billynkid> is it an accomplishment?
[20:56] <Sweetsha1k> jono: I will make you paint them at UDS ...
[20:56] <neuro> WE WANT TO THROW JONO'S BEARD AT A WALL!
[20:56] <black_puppydog> QUESTION: would it be an option to make a platform/toolset/ide for indie game developers (a pretty verbose group on the net) to better use Ubuntu for game jams and such events, thus drawing them into Ubuntu? this would probably invovle working with existing teams (Construct 2, Unity3d...)
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: which release are you using?
[20:57] <sheik> dholbach: best wishes from Christina, Steffen, Thomas & Murphy
[20:57]  * dholbach hugs sheik
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> neuro: my beard is bigger :)
[20:57] <dholbach> sheik, you all are awesome! :)
[20:57] <bobweaver> you guys you can make a html5 app in 2 seconds with qtcreator all you need is a html address
[20:57] <sebsebseb> I bought the Art of Community second edition in August
[20:57] <dholbach> sheik, thanks again for taking care of Murphy :)
[20:57] <neuro> ActionParsnip: are you shaving yours off though? :)
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> neuro: hell no
[20:57] <neuro> bobweaver: go on then
[20:57] <mikhas> sebsebseb, but did you *read* it?
[20:57] <neuro> bobweaver: :)
[20:57] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: at this point? mageia 2 gnome
[20:57] <sebsebseb> could be quite a useful book to read, got another distro, I am interested in building up the community for properly :)
[20:57] <popey> Jono gave me 4 copies
[20:57] <sebsebseb> mikhas: no just had a bit of a look, not read it properly yet
[20:57] <mikhas> I didn't read it and probably never will, so at least I am honest ;-)
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: ahh based on mandriva. Nice
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: my first distro was mandrake back in the day
[20:58] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: i ditched ubuntu for the time being because (still no offense, but it's true), ubuntu was becoming too buggy and slow for me to use daily
[20:58] <neuro> i still think we've been hoodwinked
[20:58] <neuro> jono's beard is like tiny
[20:58] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: mine was edubuntu 7.10 :p
[20:58] <mikhas> I read about the contents often enough when jono was advertising for it ;-)
[20:58] <neuro> he'll have that bumfluff grown back in a week
[20:58] <neuro> ZERO RISK
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: mandrake 7 :)
[20:58] <RobinJ> QUESTION: What was your first distro?
[20:58] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: which year's that from?
[20:58] <neuro> we need to escalate this
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: 2001 ish
[20:58] <neuro> if they get to UKP6000, we need a full jono head shave
[20:59] <RobinJ> hmm ok i didn't know linux yet when i was 6 :p
[20:59] <neuro> all hair from the neck up
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: http://www.geek.com/articles/news/linux-mandrake-72-released-20001030/
[20:59] <sebsebseb> mikhas: downloaded the free PDF before to, but didn't read, with a pshyicall book nicer to read :)
[20:59] <mikhas> "defeated the purpose", dholbach -- there, you just used a military word, too =p
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: being 32 helps :)
[20:59] <RobinJ> hehe :p
[20:59] <Daviey> I'd savour the moment just to get close to an author like you.
[20:59] <RobinJ> starting with linux when you're 12 helps too :p
[21:00] <dholbach> mikhas, not a native speaker - I was glad I could come up with some vocabulary to express what I wanted to say :)
[21:00] <neuro> rider, lol
[21:00] <neuro> I DEMAND A TROPICAL FRUIT PLATE
[21:00] <aquarius> UDS *is* jono's rider
[21:00] <helder_raptor> Where do i get tAoC
[21:00] <neuro> AND BROWN M&M'S
[21:00] <mikhas> dholbach, I know I know …
[21:00] <Billynkid> brown m&m's?
[21:00] <rewritable> hah
[21:00]  * aquarius doesn't know :(
[21:00] <AlanBell> aww
[21:00] <balloons> I room with the output of /dev/random
[21:00] <aquarius> happy to hear suggestions
[21:00] <jcastro_> aquarius, :)
[21:01] <tenach> balloons: hahaha
[21:01] <jcastro_> we shall smoke all sorts of electronic cigarettes
[21:01] <aquarius> jcastro_, nah, kenvandine already has a roommate :(
[21:01] <RobinJ> ActionParsnip: at that point i didn't immediately realise the difference between ubuntu and linux yet, of course :p
[21:01] <jcastro_> :(
[21:01] <neuro> So there I am, in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, looking for one thousand brown M&Ms to fill a brandy glass, or Ozzy wouldn't go on stage that night ...
[21:01] <dholbach> aquarius, I'm rooming with mvo - sorry
[21:01] <aquarius> dholbach, yeah, I know. I assume I shall get someone random from the pool, which will be fun :)
[21:01] <neuro> STOP USING FAHRENHEIT YOU CRAZY PEOPLE!
[21:01] <TurtlezOnBacon> Metric system sucks.
[21:01] <neuro> pshaw
[21:01] <RobinJ> neuro: that would explain the 180° xD
[21:01] <philballew> +1
[21:01]  * ajmitch wonders if the roommate list is around somewhere
[21:01] <mikhas> neuro, it transports the idea of "very hot" quite well
[21:01] <dscassel> Metric ftw!
[21:02] <neuro> RobinJ: exactly
[21:02] <Annnonnn2> SI forever!
[21:02] <RobinJ> TurtlezOnBacon: .... "i don't know it so it sucks"
[21:02] <mhall119> ajmitch: Marianna has it
[21:02] <neuro> RobinJ: haha
[21:02] <neuro> 100C = boily
[21:02] <TurtlezOnBacon> I know the metric system lolzie.
[21:02] <neuro><PHONE_NUMBER>89078930251F = boily
[21:02] <neuro> or something like that
[21:02] <helder_raptor> Where do i get tAoC for download as e book?
[21:02] <RobinJ> my laptop's max is 112°C
[21:02] <RobinJ> so far
[21:02] <RobinJ> that was with the beta of ubuntu 11.10...
[21:02] <neuro> 102 for my 13" MBP
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> neuro: the original Celcius scale was to have water boil at 0 deg celcius then go from that
[21:03] <RobinJ> never using a beta of ubuntu anymore outside of a virtual machine, ever since
[21:03] <popey> "Working" for 24 hours
[21:03] <neuro> look
[21:03] <mikhas> jono, I guess the response was: "So you want to get paid for 24hrs of non-sense? Is this Tech Comedy Central?"
[21:03] <neuro> sod this
[21:03] <aquarius> helder_raptor, http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/
[21:03] <neuro> let's all just use Kelvin
[21:03] <fazzaan> my laptop just turns off at like 95C every time I hang out >_>
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> RobinJ: I always install the alpha2 , reporting bugs i fun
[21:03] <RobinJ> ok let's go universal then; my laptop's max so far is 386 degrees kelvin :p
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> neuro: kelvin makes sense
[21:03] <neuro> "3909.5699999999997" lol
[21:03] <jvrbanac> hugs for holbach
[21:03] <jvrbanac> lol
[21:04] <aquarius> dholbach, floating point death again :)
[21:04] <Annnonnn2> Kelvin and celsius is pretty much the same after all.
[21:04] <helder_raptor> aquarius: thnks
[21:04] <dholbach> aquarius, no?
[21:04] <aquarius> dholbach, Total sum of donations: £ 3909.5699999999997
[21:04] <dholbach> "£ 3909.57"
[21:04] <mikhas> jono, it probably grows back within 3 days?
[21:04] <mikhas> hahahaha, mhall119
[21:04] <neuro> someone's trying to compensate for popey's bellybutton fluff
[21:05] <neuro> d0od: it'll take like a week, ZERO RISK
[21:05] <neuro> if jono gets to 3K, SHAVE ALL HEAD
[21:05] <philballew> your using the wrong digit format. just sayin...
[21:05]  * aquarius donates 0.0000000000003p
[21:05] <popey> hmmm
[21:05] <neuro> mmmm
[21:05] <neuro> SHAVE WHOLE HEAD
[21:05] <RobinJ> 4000 British pounds sterling = 4973.6400 euros
[21:05] <popey> Brummies aren't a _race_
[21:05] <RobinJ> so almost 5000€
[21:05] <tedg> At $5K, wax it off instead of shaving it off ;-)
[21:05] <popey> They're an anomoly
[21:05] <neuro> $ sudo shave /jono/head
[21:06] <neuro> "anomoly"?
[21:06] <popey> -typo
[21:06] <neuro> holy moly?
[21:06] <neuro> yea yea :)
[21:06] <RobinJ> neuro: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/jono/body/head
[21:06] <mikhas> popey, why dont you join the livestream for a couple minutes?
[21:06] <philballew> I have monopoly money I can donate. Would that work?
[21:06] <RobinJ> that should look good :p
[21:06] <popey> mikhas, hehe, if they ask me later
[21:06] <neuro> they should ask me on, i'd be awesome
[21:07] <neuro> OH NOES, I LIVE IN A HOUSE WHICH PROVIDES PROTECTION FROM PRECIPITATION
[21:07] <mikhas> popey, an overview over the last months and teasing for UDS would be nice
[21:08] <k1fri> QUESTION aren't you supposed to be working considering 12.10 is about to be unleashed very soon?
[21:08] <helder_raptor> Nokia
[21:08] <neuro> NOKIA!!!
[21:08] <neuro> i need to get nokia ringtones for my iphone
[21:08]  * RobinJ hits print screen
[21:08] <neuro> jcastro_: lol
[21:08] <tenach> hahha
[21:08] <k1fri> :D
[21:08] <neuro> top secret: none of these guys contribute anything, which is why they can do this
[21:08] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: When are you gonna ask the previous questions?
[21:08]  * xnox is confused what did just happen on air?!
[21:08] <neuro> jono just sits about bbqing stuff
[21:09] <helder_raptor> neuro: i hate nokia
[21:09] <Annnonnn2> neuro: Why do I find that so easy to believe?
[21:09] <neuro> xnox: jcastro_ just went all hipster
[21:09] <neuro> helder_raptor: why?
[21:09] <neuro> microsoft deal?
[21:09] <popey> DROP THE LAPTOP INTO THE BBQ!
[21:09] <popey> bah!
[21:09] <k1fri> QUESTION tell me a bit about that amazon dash
[21:09] <helder_raptor> neuro: propiotory stuff
[21:09] <nicekiwi> yummy!
[21:09] <helder_raptor> neuro: kind of
[21:09] <jcastro_> Annnonnn2, which questions? can people please repost it if we missed it?
[21:09] <neuro> helder_raptor: ah, irrational hatred then :)
[21:09] <RobinJ> QUESTION: is there some kind of timeframe for... perhaps reviewing apps which have been submitted months ago?
[21:09] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: How evil are you? You show us such foods but don't let us get them!
[21:10] <neuro> Annnonnn2++
[21:10] <helder_raptor> neuro: I have never used a smartphone yet.
[21:10] <neuro> helder_raptor: you're missing out
[21:10] <snwh> QUESTION: mhall119 what's the best cereal?
[21:10] <neuro> unless all you want to do is make calls and text
[21:10] <helder_raptor> neuro: wat am i missing?
[21:10] <helder_raptor> na smartphone?
[21:10] <neuro> helder_raptor: apps
[21:10] <RobinJ> http://i.imgur.com/yRd9w.png
[21:10] <Annnonnn2> Here's some reposting then: QUESTION: Something something window indicators;
[21:11] <luk4196> hello all
[21:11] <neuro> RobinJ: configutation?
[21:11] <helder_raptor> neuro: naa...i try it on SDKs
[21:11] <neuro> HELLO!
[21:11] <neuro> helder_raptor: umm, ok
[21:11] <balloons> tbh, QA is never busy than right now :-)
[21:11] <mikhas> jono's webcam needs shades, too sunny
[21:11] <RobinJ> neuro: configuration of what?
[21:11] <neuro> who needs QA?
[21:11] <rewritable> QUESTION: Are there any plans to have the unity launcher moveable to bottom or right of screen?
[21:11] <neuro> RobinJ: that screen grab, it said "configutation"
[21:11] <helder_raptor> whoose +baloons?
[21:11] <neuro> as opposed to "configuration"
[21:12] <RobinJ> neuro: my god lol
[21:12] <neuro> RobinJ: when you see it ... hehe
[21:12] <RobinJ> that's been in there for a long time
[21:12] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: Where can I volunteer for the ARB board? Any requirements?
[21:12] <RobinJ> neuro: fixed :p
[21:12] <helder_raptor> if that was castro's nap than i have been sleeping for the last few centuries
[21:12] <neuro> RobinJ: :)
[21:13] <neuro> AMAZON ANSWER: it's a cash grab ... next question :)
[21:13] <k1fri> :(
[21:13] <helder_raptor> mhall119: RaspBerryPi, Is ubuntu for it under development? I feel its the next big thing.
[21:13] <popey> loldicators
[21:13] <popey> no
[21:14] <tedg> Yeah, we couldn't really find enough use-cases for it.  There were a couple that were interesting, but not enough to justify building it.
[21:14] <neuro> czajkowski: https://meeja.net/tv/episode/d1827524-90c4-324c-55c2-ac61915339e2
[21:14] <neuro> crap
[21:14] <neuro> wrong window :P
[21:14] <fazzaan> Question: are things like windicators more likely once wayland is in use and windows are drawn entirely client-side?
[21:14] <mikhas> it's like with the making of a good movie: two-third of stuff some might enjoy lands on the cutting floor (and then you have director's cuts, ugh)
[21:15] <RobinJ> QUESTION: What's the current status with Wayland? Are we ever going to ditch the dinosaur X11?
[21:15] <mikhas> regarding good idea, I just read this today: http://97things.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/Avoid_%22Good_Ideas%22
[21:15] <mikhas> Bad ideas are easy to spot, for good ideas it takes a bit longer to see whether they are bad ;-)
[21:16] <bobweaver> isRightToleft
[21:16] <bobweaver> that is why
[21:16] <popey> never gonna happen :)
[21:16] <k1fri> QUESTION in 12.10 i noticed it's not possible anymore to move dash icons about.....is that a bug or design?
[21:17] <Annnonnn2>  QUESTION: When will there be some mockups of Ubuntu Tablet? Nexus 7 with Ubuntu perhaps?
[21:17] <bobweaver> Unity standalone joey ?
[21:17] <Annnonnn2> k1fri: it very much is movable
[21:17] <mikhas> popey, hopefully
[21:17] <Annnonnn2> I can move everything now
[21:17] <k1fri> Annnonnn2: somehow i can't anymore
[21:18] <Annnonnn2> Must be a bug, everything was made movable
[21:18] <Annnonnn2> (except for trash and dash icon)
[21:18] <bobweaver> yes there is formfactor tv in unity 6.6 >=
[21:18] <k1fri> Annnonnn2: everythings fixed
[21:18] <mikhas> making hard decisions on where to place desktop elements is good
[21:18] <mikhas> it actually allows to design for that
[21:18] <bobweaver> rendercover flow altered by me in unity 3d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcepB1E1lX0&list=UUzkAk08QdVFd1CmwWQBD3Sw&index=5&feature=plpp_video
[21:19] <mikhas> if everything was movable, then each *good* design would have to take all possibilities into account, too
[21:19] <helder_raptor> I love the extra pane in nautilus. but do feel that it should be increased to 4 panes.
[21:19] <k1fri> by the way, canonical: unity is great! now you can see it coming all together! kudos
[21:20] <bobweaver> But Now that QT 5 and also qt2.0 have opengles what are the talks for panada boards ect
[21:20] <snwh> QUESTION: the future of graphical file management; what's up with Nautilus is the future?
[21:20] <bobweaver> nm
[21:20] <mikhas> snwh, I sense a fork, see Cinnamon :-(
[21:20] <bobweaver> sure
[21:20] <bobweaver> but it dont work
[21:20] <balloons> hehe
[21:21] <bobweaver> you just set the formfactor
[21:21] <steven> is the "usrMove" going to be a topic as well? was it already a topic? or is it to much of an internal topic?
[21:21] <bobweaver> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity set form-fasctor = tv
[21:21] <bobweaver> spelling is bad ^^
[21:21] <snwh> mikhas, that's likely. Or we'll see a switch to a different one
[21:21] <bobweaver> just use dconf
[21:21] <k1fri> QUESTION how can i get a nerdy job like you and talk about computers all day long while being paid?
[21:21] <bobweaver> thar is it
[21:21] <nicekiwi> Is there any plans to i guess regulate how games manage windows in fullscreen in ubuntu? Esp if you have 2  or more screens
[21:22] <bobweaver> abd there is code there also
[21:22] <bobweaver> and *
[21:22] <bobweaver> StandaloneDash.cpp
[21:22] <bobweaver> and standalone.cpp
[21:22] <mikhas> snwh, sure, but imagine the outrage it would create if Canonical/Ubuntu was switching from nautilus to say, dolphin
[21:22] <neuro> whhhhhhoops-a-daisy!
[21:22] <bobweaver> both of which are not rendering the correct window size
[21:22] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: What's the future of Unity previews? Will there be any interesting developments there?
[21:23] <nicekiwi> OMG its soooo annoying!!! Come sup too much
[21:23] <Annnonnn2> Like it being actually more useful, since for most things it doesn't do much.
[21:23] <snwh> mikhas, I wasn't thinking Dolphin per se, haha.
[21:23] <popey> see http://errors.ubuntu.com/
[21:24] <mikhas> Jorge is right
[21:25] <mikhas> I experience most crashes during office hours, when I don't want to spend time reporting bugs.
[21:25] <RobinJ> good night, guys
[21:25] <balloons> mikhas, is it a full on dialog crsh report?
[21:25] <xnox> to me the strange thing is how constant precise is, even though we SRU bugfixes.
[21:26] <mikhas> balloons, come again?
[21:27] <neuro> food and Raiders of the Lost Ark for me ... might be back later :)
[21:27] <xnox> "a real rolling release"
[21:28] <snwh> d0od, bring in the kitty
[21:28] <jcastro_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport
[21:28] <jcastro_> useful for when you want to get work done ^^^
[21:29] <mikhas> QUESTION: Does the QA slow down actual feature development? Compared to say, pre 10.04 times?
[21:29] <k1fri> qa is sexy!
[21:29] <mikhas> I dont care.
[21:29]  * xnox yes....
[21:30] <zoopster> mhall119: just saw your request...I had to run pick up my kids...listening in again...
[21:30] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: When will Wayland replace X on Ubuntu?
[21:31] <RobinJ> One last QUESTION; Has any one you been into the development of Ubuntu ever since the beginning?
[21:31] <mivoligo> QUESTION: Will this very hangout be available later on YouTube?
[21:31] <mhall119> zoopster: would you like to join later this evening to talk about MyApps and stuff?
[21:31] <mikhas> thanks Nic
[21:31] <bobweaver> lol
[21:31] <steven> will it be ever ready? :P
[21:31] <jcastro_> mivoligo, yeah, they make it available
[21:32] <mivoligo> jcastro_: thanks
[21:32] <xnox> it's like a real TV news channel.
[21:32] <ajmitch> jcastro_: you make UDU sound like such a long time ago :)
[21:32] <mikhas> storytime!
[21:32] <jcastro_> I know man, lol
[21:32] <mikhas> this one is good
[21:32] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: Is the 200 million users still a realistic goal by 2014?
[21:33] <tenach> hahaha
[21:33] <mikhas> Annnonnn2, only needs to grow by 2.5 then
[21:33] <Annnonnn2> Really? Is the number that big now?
[21:33] <xnox> Annnonnn2: do you think we don't have that already?!
[21:34] <Annnonnn2> I though it was more around 20 million, or at least I remember reading so somewhere
[21:34] <mikhas> according to optimistic estimates that say there are 60mio Ubuntu installations, mhall119 will of course go for the pessimistic estimate of some 20 mio installations ;-)
[21:34] <mhall119> mikhas: :P
[21:34] <mikhas> but 60mio to 200mio in 1.3 years is not so unrealistic
[21:34] <zoopster> mhall119: sure...it would need to be after midnight utc
[21:34] <mhall119> zoopster: works for me
[21:34] <sheik> @daniel: handy ;-)
[21:34] <Annnonnn2> No, if it's 60, then it seems likely
[21:34] <steven> QUESTION: What do you guys think about the "usr-move" and are you planning on "implementing" it as well?
[21:34] <majster-pl> QUESTION: Is there any chance to update some of pictures for apps in USC ? a lot of them are out of date and don't look attractive. ( they looks OLD )  is there chance we/community can help with that ?
[21:34] <mikhas> Annnonnn2, the harder question is: how to measure install base?
[21:35] <helder_raptor> mhall119: RaspBerryPi, Is ubuntu for it under development? I feel its the next big thing.
[21:35] <xnox> steven: well until initramfs-utils supports we can't do it. I didn't happen yet.
[21:35] <czajkowski> mhall119: why cant we get those stores in EU
[21:35] <k1fri> QUESTION how many employees does canonical have?
[21:35] <xnox> Michael, not PCs but 5% laptops. And not sold, but shipped from the factory which is not the same =)
[21:35] <popey> k1fri, ~580
[21:35] <Billynkid> Your big in Uganda
[21:36] <bobweaver> Question: For all the new comers that are going to UDS for the 1st time. What are some pointers that you all can give ?
[21:36] <mhall119> czajkowski: no idea
[21:36] <mhall119> czajkowski: ask popey
[21:36] <mikhas> bobweaver, it's in Copenhagen, Europe
[21:36] <mikhas> ;-)
[21:36] <mikhas> pointer enough?
[21:36] <steven> xenox: just curious what you guys think about it in general and if you would like to go the same way
[21:36] <mhall119> mikhas: he knows
[21:36] <popey> oh, we've gone over 600 employees!
[21:36] <Annnonnn2> Well, there's nothing here in Prague. Like not a single thing.
[21:36] <mikhas> Oh yeah, and Copenhagen is a nice city and you can go to Malmø quickly from there
[21:37] <xnox> popey: yeah ;-) hence my email bit.
[21:37] <Sweetsha1k> bobweaver: first UDS? sleep a week before it.
[21:37] <popey> I was employee 493 a year ago
[21:37] <popey> Nexphone d0od
[21:37] <mikhas> Fun fact: UDS has more attendees than GUADEC it seems
[21:37] <Annnonnn2> It's still on $3,306, so that's probably not happenning
[21:37] <dholbach> bah, ubuntu got confused with 4 soundcards attached
[21:37] <dholbach> I guess I'll restart :-(
[21:38] <xnox> dholbach: quantal eh?
[21:38] <mikhas> dholbach, say "damn you ubuntu!"
[21:38] <dholbach> xnox, yes
[21:38] <xnox> =)))
[21:38] <xnox> what's omgubuntu's joey's irc nick name?! =)
[21:39] <popey> xnox, d0od
[21:39] <Sweetsha1k> dholbach: keep it running, and start recording -- you will generate your best bassdrops ... ;0
[21:39] <dholbach> I will need to figure out how I can let you hear what I'm doing :)
[21:39] <helder_raptor> d0od: RaspBerryPi, Is ubuntu for it under development? I feel its the next big thing.
[21:39] <czajkowski> mhall119: my best idea ever!
[21:39] <czajkowski> jcastro_: no no shave!
[21:40] <xnox> bring spare battery for laptop!
[21:40] <czajkowski> bobweaver: remember to sleep at night and take part in sessions, take notes and put your hand up :)
[21:40] <Sweetsha1k> bobweaver: Oh yes, and visit all the LibreOffice session and take notes! ;)
[21:40]  * xnox has AC100 Toshiba with lubuntu it's nice =) that one has ARM
[21:41] <Billynkid> It got pretty rubbish reviews
[21:41] <Sweetsha1k> (notes on etherpad that is)
[21:41] <Annnonnn2> It was severly underpowered
[21:41] <bobweaver> lol
[21:42] <black_puppydog> QUESTION: are you working with dell on sputnik?
[21:42] <popey> black_puppydog, yes
[21:42] <xnox> QUESTION: can we pivot Jorges camera to find the sticky notes with his passwords? =)
[21:42] <helder_raptor> +jono: RaspBerryPi, Is ubuntu for it under development? I feel its the next big thing.
[21:42] <majster-pl> QUESTION: Is there any chance to update some of pictures for apps in USC ? a lot of them are out of date and don't look attractive. ( they looks OLD )  is there chance we/community can help with that ?
[21:42] <Annnonnn2> QUESTION: What about Ubuntu Tablets/Ubuntu Phones? There hasn't been much news there.
[21:42] <popey> !!!
[21:42] <phillw> QUESTION... Rasberry Pi ?
[21:43] <k1fri> @where does most development happen? in california?
[21:43] <popey> Joey asks Jono "Have I ruined your meat?"
[21:43] <k1fri>  QUESTION where does most development happen? in california?
[21:43] <bobweaver> majster-pl,  I have made a bug about that it is on debian not ubuntu
[21:44] <balloons> http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/
[21:44] <balloons> it will go to debian and ubuntu :-)
[21:44] <xnox> You can run Quantal on RaspBerryPi it's actually compatible using armel.
[21:44] <popey> pffft
[21:44] <popey> rpi is old
[21:44] <mikhas> popey, how many do you have now? 4?
[21:45] <xnox> but yeah raspberrypi is slow.
[21:45] <popey> hehe
[21:45] <popey> only two
[21:45] <dpm> Sweetsha1k, are you doing a LO session for the marathon?
[21:45] <bobweaver> pandaboard ?
[21:45] <aquarius> screenshots vague thing: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil/+junk/needed-screenshots-2 is an app which finds apps you've got installed which don't have screenshots and tells you about them. I never got around to completely finishing it and packaging it, but someone may find it useful
[21:45] <Billynkid> How about a Ouya Ubuntu Game/TV Console
[21:45] <xnox> Quantal + Lubuntu + armel should be possible to run on raspberrypi, but rasbian is a better distro.  In quantal it's amazing with hardware accelerated Unity ;-)
[21:46] <tedg> Ubuntu Marathon drinking game.  Everytime jono says "let's look at Unity as an example" ;-)
[21:46] <popey> phillw, we are the internet, we do not know the meaning of "wait"
[21:46] <popey> we know F5 though
[21:46] <mhall119> I think we hit our 4-hour limit, going to start a new hangout
[21:47] <balloons> time to restart the hangout
[21:47] <snwh> I get worried everytime that happens its my ISP haha
[21:47] <mhall119> please stand by
[21:47] <bobweaver> xnox,  Yeah I see things about that on linaro all the time
[21:47] <balloons> hang tight for a moment, then refresh the page in a min
[21:47] <phillw> popey: go complain to google :P
[21:47]  * popey shakes fists at the cloud
[21:47] <mhall119> YouTube limits on-air broadcasts to 4 hours
[21:47] <fazzaan> has there always been a 4 hour limit on HoAs?
[21:47] <popey> fazzaan, used to be shorter
[21:47] <sabpocalypse> burtal cant get vid back
[21:47] <xnox> popey: the cloud puffs around popey =)
[21:48]  * xnox probably to prevent people leaving it on as home surveillance / cctv.
[21:48] <da_ravioli> good night guys!
[21:49] <czajkowski> still not back :(
[21:49] <H20> takes a min I guess
[21:49] <popey> czajkowski, nearly
[21:50] <Annnonnn2> Will I have to reconnect?
[21:50] <popey> refresh the page
[21:50] <Annnonnn2> That is reload
[21:50] <Annnonnn2> Dammit
[21:50] <phillw> on the plus side.... nearly 4,000 GBP been raised fot charities :)
[21:51] <Annnonnn2> Just an off question, they mentioned that the ARB is lacking volunteers, any specific requirements to volunteer there?
[21:52] <snwh> everyone is powernapping
[21:52] <balloons> k, should be live again
[21:52] <balloons> refresh your pages :-p
[21:52] <bobweaver> yeah jono
[21:52] <tenach> I see ya
[21:53] <Annnonnn2> It's not working!
[21:53] <d0od> popey: :D
[21:53] <tenach> There's an echo!
[21:54] <fazzaan> dat echo, it burns
[21:54] <majster-pl> echo
[21:54] <bobweaver> lol the moning people ing th background !!
[21:54] <bobweaver> moving *
[21:54] <d0od> bobweaver: Ha i know
[21:54] <d0od> comedy gold
[21:54] <d0od> waiting for them to drop something
[21:54] <black_puppydog> waaah, what about sputnik now? missed the last minutes...
[21:54] <Annnonnn2> Where any other questions answered?
[21:55] <balloons> sputnik will be asnwered in a moment
[21:55] <tenach> Hahahaha
[21:55] <Annnonnn2> What about the tablet/phone bit?
[21:55] <black_puppydog> exactly :)
[21:56] <aquarius> I like how everyone else is in some sort of standard looking living room and czajkowski looks like she's in a completely empty North Korean jail. :-)
[21:57] <tenach> aquarius: +1
[21:57] <black_puppydog> i would choose the description "favourite nondescript location"... :)
[21:57] <aquarius> goldarnit, the airport car park doesn't have any spaces left!
[21:57] <neuro> good lord ...
[21:57] <neuro> i went out for some cigs and wildlife had a go at me
[21:57] <neuro> nearly ran over a cat in my street
[21:57] <neuro> nearly ran over a fox on the main road
[21:58] <tenach> jcastro_: What are the requirements to help?
[21:58] <neuro> then coming back home I drove right over a hedgehog
[21:58] <rewritable> heh
[21:58] <neuro> (luckily between the wheels, so he was OK, I double checked)
[21:58] <H20__> lol neuro thats hilarious
[21:58] <black_puppydog> whooo, club mate for the win! :)
[21:58] <rewritable> How are accessibility features doing these days in Ubuntu?
[21:58] <czajkowski> aquarius: i'll deal with you tomorrow!!
[21:59] <neuro> popey is on tv!
[21:59]  * aquarius grins at czajkowski
[21:59] <tenach> Thanks jcastro_
[21:59] <neuro> jcastro_: there's no furniture in your house, are you squatting?!
[21:59] <jcastro_> hah yeah
[22:00] <Annnonnn2> I'm thinking of staying up just to see how you look.
[22:00] <Annnonnn2> But I like my sleep.
[22:00] <tenach> Annnonnn2: I'm staying up to see it. XD
[22:00] <fazzaan> falling asleep in hangouts is fun ^_^ I feel like staying up to watch.
[22:01] <steven> you should join daniel and get some beer as well, i promise it'll get funny in a couple of hours if u keep up drinking
[22:01] <tenach> :D
[22:01] <steven> nothing is as funny as a bunch of drunken developers
[22:01] <tenach> steven: +1!
[22:01] <tenach> steven: That's why I love going to conferences.
[22:01] <pewtah> youtube livestream still down?
[22:01] <tenach> No, it's up.
[22:01] <black_puppydog> steven: nor is there anything so potentially productive ;)
[22:01] <pewtah> ?!
[22:01] <pewtah> orly?
[22:01] <tenach> I'm watching it.
[22:01] <Annnonnn2> Just refresh
[22:02] <steven> ofc they will be productive
[22:02] <pewtah> Tried that. gonna restart flashplayer plugin + nightly. :P
[22:02] <steven> they just gotta get a good QA team up
[22:02] <tenach> How does one kick their LoCo team into gear if it is inactive? :(
[22:03] <jcastro_> ok weird, I can hear eeveryone but jono
[22:03] <tenach> It just went down jcastro_
[22:03] <jono> jcastro_, restart
[22:03] <bobweaver> bargh
[22:03] <neuro> timing!
[22:03] <Annnonnn2> Dammit
[22:03] <steven> now we never get to know what he was going to say
[22:03] <bobweaver> streams down
[22:03] <aquarius> have removed jono's beard in the Gimp and without it he looks like this: http://tinyurl.com/9g9nh7k
[22:03] <Annnonnn2> I wanted to hear this oen.
[22:03] <tenach> aquarius: hahaha
[22:03] <neuro> aquarius: rofl
[22:03] <jono> bobweaver, really?
[22:03] <jono> isnt it up?
[22:03] <bobweaver> yeah
[22:03] <tenach> jono: "We'll be right back"
[22:03] <zoopster> heh...potty break?
[22:03] <aquarius> hangout is down with a "we'll be right back" error messae.
[22:03] <majster-pl> aquarius: haha
[22:03] <jono> damn
[22:04] <nik90> yup hangout's down
[22:04] <black_puppydog> do google and canonical have issues at the moment?
[22:04] <rewritable> hangout interlude
[22:04] <steven> and again guys, time to grab some beer!
[22:04] <tenach> So the echo I hear is my boss now watching too... hahaha
[22:04] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/230924
[22:04] <steven> now is the time
[22:04] <dholbach> balloons, can you rejoin?
[22:04] <Annnonnn2> Any chance of the on-air thingy becoming a biweekly event? An hour here and there
[22:04] <jono> hang on folks
[22:04] <neuro> "The live recording you're trying to play is still being processed by our cluster of Acorn Electrons and Commodore VIC-20s and will be available soon."
[22:04]  * tenach is hanging on.
[22:04] <rewritable> is this when they serve icecream?
[22:05] <neuro> BEFORE the ribs?!
[22:05] <tenach> it's back!
[22:05] <Annnonnn2> They're faking it and just went back to sleep
[22:05] <popey> :D
[22:05] <nik90> its b
[22:05] <popey> shhh!
[22:05] <steven> its up again
[22:05] <black_puppydog> darnd, lost the hats in the process i guess...
[22:05] <rewritable> back
[22:05] <balloons> sorry mates.. my internet just died hard
[22:06] <xnox> LAURA! LAURA! =)
[22:07] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[22:07] <black_puppydog> awesome side show about a guy arranging furniture in an empty room running below the main video :D
[22:07] <steven> at least the guys are working
[22:08] <steven> don't worry, we'll tell you if they try to steal your stuff
[22:12] <black_puppydog> kind of expecting jono to appear in the screen to his right...
[22:12] <mhall119> #ubuntu-locoteams is the IRC channel
[22:12] <tenach> What can someone do to revitalize their LoCo? The one in my state seems rather dead and/or dormant.
[22:12] <steven> throw a bbq
[22:13] <tenach> I haven't been able to get in contact with the people leading.
[22:13] <Annnonnn2> What's the deal with approved/unapproved teams?
[22:13] <steven> New Teams - these are teams that are in the process of getting started and have not yet been officially approved as an Ubuntu LoCo team.
[22:13] <steven> Approved Teams - an approved team is a team that is up and running, has each of the required resources in operation and the team is working well.
[22:14] <Annnonnn2> Thanks, I wasn't sure what unapporved meant in this case
[22:14] <dholbach> ¡¡¡   £ 4021.57   !!!
[22:14] <steven> they just gonna answer it anyway
[22:14] <steven> : )
[22:15] <helder_raptor> what should i do to create up a local team with 10 members
[22:16] <steven> that sounds a bit like a religious movement, doesn't it?
[22:19] <black_puppydog> my gosh, how does alan manage to do such great audio streaming for the uk podcast with this connection?
[22:19] <mhall119> #ubuntu-locoteams is the IRC channel
[22:19] <xnox> (step 1) get people: real live or over irc (step 2) hang out and have fun (step 3) there is no step 3 =)))))
[22:22] <fazzaan> I was staying literally around the corner from the CA UDS and I missed it by 1 day :(
[22:24] <Annnonnn2> Damn, it's late here. I hope I'll be up again for the 6 AM session. Bye!
[22:26] <black_puppydog> dammit, stockholm is pretty late, too... thanks for the sessions! gn8
[22:32] <tenach> It got all quiet in here.
[22:32] <tenach> the Washington LoCo (state)
[22:35] <tenach> Thanks!
[22:36] <dholbach> go daker! go go go! :)
[22:37] <daker> dholbach: for what :D ?
[22:37]  * Cimi heads balloons dholbach dpm jono mhall119 jcastro_ a pair of http://goo.gl/1ygcj and goes to bed :)
[22:37] <dholbach> daker, you're a hero!
[22:37] <tenach> Thanks! I'll keep trying to get in touch with WA LoCo people to get it going again.
[22:37] <daker> dholbach: hah :D
[22:37] <Cimi> those glasses are classic!
[22:37] <balloons> good night Cimi  :-)
[22:37] <dholbach> daker, شكرا، أخي!
[22:38] <dpm> night Cimi, we're not looking like that yet, but we're on our way ;)
[22:38] <Cimi> keep on guys
[22:38] <Cimi> ahaha
[22:38] <phillw> QUESTION: does the LoCo team structure have it ruled in that a new LoCo is not seen as a threat when in geographic areas?
[22:38] <daker> dholbach: thumbs up :)
[22:38] <mhall119> phillw: what do you mean?
[22:39] <tenach> Close-proximity LoCos, I think he's referencing mhall119 .
[22:39] <tenach> Not competing for members, etc.
[22:39] <tenach> Promote working together.
[22:39] <tenach> Or I could be completely off. phillw ?
[22:41] <dholbach> dpm, Alter, ich zieh gleich 'ne Sonnenbrille an - vielleicht sieht man dann nicht, dass ich die Augen zu hab und penne :-)
[22:42] <dpm> dholbach, ich wurde gerne es auch machen, oder so: http://goo.gl/1ygcj
[22:43] <dholbach> HAHAHAHA
[22:43] <dholbach> genau daran hab ich auch gedacht :)
[22:43] <dpm> von Cimi ^^
[22:43] <dholbach> super
[22:43] <PeterM> I am going to bed... but well done team! keep going!
[22:44] <bobweaver>  <sound effect> cheer for popey </sound effect >   :)
[22:44]  * popey hugs bobweaver
[22:45] <dholbach> :)
[22:45] <dpm> popey, ant asked me to help him with updating translations for the ubuntu-online-tour. May I ask you to add me to the ubuntu-online-tour-team, so I can commit the .pot file directly to the branch?
[22:45] <thumper> completely failing to load your video on the link above
[22:45] <popey> dpm, sure
[22:46] <dholbach> does the video work for anyone else?
[22:46] <senshikaze> works here
[22:46] <bobweaver> dholbach,  yeah all good here
[22:46] <dholbach> thumper, can you hard-refresh the page?
[22:47] <thumper> dholbach: yeah, tried that a couple of times too
[22:47] <dholbach> weird
[22:47] <Cimi> popey: I wanna see your cats or you might not be the real popey
[22:47] <tenach> Friendly competition is good.
[22:47] <dholbach> thumper, does http://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir?v=dDkbD2gpf-M work?
[22:47] <popey> Cimi, haha
[22:48] <Cimi> haha
[22:48] <tenach> hahahaha
[22:48] <ajmitch> thumper: wfm, if that's any use :)
[22:48] <ajmitch> actually no it doesn't now, yay
[22:48] <thumper> ajmitch: interestingly, works on my laptop, but not my server
[22:48] <phillw> soz tenach mhall119 yes, it was about LoCos being 'too close together'... Good to hear they are discussing it. (Sorry, was afk wrapping up my Dad's B/day presents wrapped :)
[22:49]  * ajmitch is hearing cats
[22:49]  * Cimi ahahahahha
[22:49] <thumper> ajmitch: that's popey
[22:49] <jcastro_> popey, can you show your cat?
[22:50]  * dholbach <3 Elvis
[22:50] <rewritable> cat show and tell
[22:50] <daker> and guess what, i have found a picture of dholbach, posting it rightnow!
[22:50] <popey> lol
[22:50] <dholbach> daker, what what?
[22:51] <tenach> I do know in the states around here, they broke up the PNW group so we had to be AK/WA/ID/OR. :(
[22:51] <k1fri> QUESTION: what is it? you don't have so much women with you??
[22:52] <tenach> I think the CoC helps mitigate a lot of potential issues.
[22:52] <tenach> At least publicly.
[22:53] <ajmitch> thumper: so I suppose the NZ loco should do something one day :)
[22:53] <PabloRubianes> QUESTION: Is there any work on how different languages are handle in the community? not everyone speaks English, many people don't report bug or test or other because of that
[22:54] <thumper> ajmitch: nah...
[22:54] <phillw> :QUESTION: the NEW C-o-C arriving is finalising its discussion stage, Any Views on that?
[22:54] <ajmitch> saying morning is probably enough for now, we don't want to rush into things
[22:55] <autoditac> @dholbach: dinner was great and you guys rock in general, vegan or omnivour, so rock on!
[22:55] <tenach> You guys all rock, btw.
[22:55]  * dholbach hugs autoditac
[22:55] <dholbach> autoditac, you rock too my friend :)
[22:55] <daker> 1...2...3
[22:56] <dholbach> wow
[22:56] <dholbach> WOW
[22:57] <daker> GO http://s004.radikal.ru/i208/1105/d6/8cff0f8358f9.gif
[22:57] <dholbach> daker, haha, very funny
[22:57] <dholbach> awesome
[22:57] <tenach> good night popey !
[22:57] <tenach> erk
[22:59] <popey> :D
[23:01] <jono> question for Rick Spencer?
[23:01] <popey> dpm, all sorted?
[23:01] <mikhas> popey, nice job
[23:01] <senshikaze> QUESTION: Are you all excited about Valve releasing Steam on Linux?
[23:01] <popey> mikhas, thanks
[23:02] <dpm> popey, yep, great, thanks!
[23:02] <thumper> generally clueless?
[23:02] <thumper> who is writing these?
[23:02] <ranting_noob> goodevening guys
[23:02] <mikhas> :-)
[23:02]  * thumper looks at jono
[23:02] <balloons> thumper, lol
[23:02] <mikhas> I would think you write that yourself.
[23:02] <balloons> indeed ^^
[23:02] <ranting_noob> could anyone tell me what the hell is going on? It's the #1 question on OMG!Ubuntu
[23:03] <thumper> hi akgraner
[23:03] <popey> :)
[23:03] <MillerMan> Why is there no Netflix yet on Ubuntu if Steam can come on why not Netflix?
[23:03] <akgraner> thumper  heya!  how are you?
[23:03] <thumper> akgraner: getting over a virus, but generally OK :)
[23:03] <jono> questions?
[23:04] <snwh> MillerMan silverlight...
[23:04] <jcastro_> luisalvarado, ask away
[23:04] <ranting_noob> @MillerMan: IIRC, it's because the Netflix guys didn't want to go the Linux route
[23:04] <akgraner> thumper, glad you're feeling better
[23:04] <ranting_noob> It has nothing to do with Canonical's efforts
[23:04] <MillerMan> then why could Google get it on there Chrome OS
[23:05] <MillerMan> it can not just be silverlight
[23:05] <ranting_noob> Well, that's sort of Netflix' idea
[23:05] <ranting_noob> IIRC, it's sort of an add-on, installed in Chrome
[23:05] <jcastro_> it's not a technical issue it's a licensing issue
[23:05] <MillerMan> yeah but would there not be more people to come on Ubuntu if Netflix came to it?
[23:05] <ranting_noob> I don't know why it can't be in Ubuntu
[23:05] <bobweaver> QUESTION: What about unity 3d (4.0) gaming is canonical working with them at all ?
[23:06] <snwh> I would probably use Netflix if it were supported on Ubuntu.
[23:06] <jcastro_> http://jacksonh.tumblr.com/post/965806498/how-to-watch-netflix-streaming-movies-on-linux-with
[23:06] <snwh> That and steam were my reasons for having a windows partition
[23:06] <MillerMan> why would not canonical not put any effort to get Netflix on Ubuntu
[23:06] <MillerMan> thank you :-)
[23:06] <balloons> amazon video  :-)
[23:07] <luisalvarado> QUESTION:  What has been talked about for compiz/unity regressions in the 6.x, at least the 6.4 and 6.6 versions in relation to video performance, specially intel.
[23:07] <mikhas> MillerMan, dont you have that backwards?
[23:07] <mikhas> convince Netflix to put effort into it
[23:07] <mikhas> not Canonical
[23:07] <UnderControl> mhall119 what do you mean by if everyone will beat Jono?
[23:08] <MillerMan> ok thank you Rick for your answer
[23:08] <akgraner> jcastro, tell Jill hi!
[23:08] <mhall119> UnderControl: each of us has a charity we're raising money for, if each of the rest of us raises more than jono, Popey goes bald
[23:08] <senshikaze> thanks for your answers, rick
[23:08] <UnderControl> Mhall119 ahh, this well be interesting :D
[23:09] <w1ngnut> QUESTION: There are a lot of efforts from Canonical to make development easier on Ubuntu: quickly, ground control, scripts, etc. But they don't seem as integrated as it could be and sometimes the development/bug fixeing process becomes more complex than it should be - at least for a beginner. Why not put more effort in an integrated development environment to achieve a more complete Ide? (Such as pydev was created to accelerat
[23:09] <tenach> Steam is the last leg for most people I know, that keep them back from Linux.
[23:09] <mikhas> Valve at UDS, hah
[23:09] <phillw> QUESTION: Is there still an engagement to keep ppc systems? aka Lubuntu which is for older kit.
[23:09] <MALs> I'm definitely switching to ubuntu full time once Steam comes on. Gaming is the only thing holding me back.
[23:10] <popey> dpm, John Pugh was on stage at a Unity 3D event - Unite
[23:10] <bobweaver>  \o/
[23:11] <wxl> did someone say… ppc?
[23:11] <man_haeng> QUESTION: Are you working with google to know why HangOuts are having so many problems on Linux? Like sharing Desktop for example... We make a streamming program about linux every two week.
[23:11] <man_haeng> #linuxIO
[23:11] <bobweaver> if steam and unity are here UDK comes next I feel
[23:11] <mhall119> bkerensa: ^^ are you letting your Google contact know about the issues with hangouts we've had?
[23:11] <luisalvarado> QUESTION:  What has been talked about for compiz/unity regressions in the 6.x, at least the 6.4 and 6.6 versions in relation to video performance, specially intel.
[23:12] <mikhas> luisalvarado, heh, I sometimes fallback to metacity because of that …
[23:12] <ranting_noob> QUESTION: Steam is coming to Ubuntu. There will be a Steam Software Center (or something like that). Do you think that there will be competition between the Steam software center and the Ubuntu software center? Are you guys planning any sort of integration with the Ubuntu software center?
[23:13] <dpm> popey, I know, I know. My fault, sorry, I should have mentioned I was forwarding bobweaver's question
[23:14] <w1ngnut> thx for the question..
[23:14] <senshikaze> why not just latch onto eclipse? I would think it would be easier than starting from scratch
[23:15] <jono> any further questions, folks, so I can get them in the queue
[23:16] <mikhas> Eclipse already feels too complex to ever be a convincing IDE
[23:16] <mikhas> Part of the problem being that Eclipse tries to target all platforms.
[23:16] <daker> at the moment i use Sublime Text 2
[23:16] <jderose> QUESTION: how is Rick Spencer so awesome? :)
[23:16] <mikhas> Visual Studio only targets Windows, guess why it is so much better than ahyting Ecliplse-based?
[23:16] <mhall119> hey jderose!
[23:16] <senshikaze> daker: me too ;-)
[23:16] <bobweaver> qtcreator ??
[23:16] <bobweaver> great stuff
[23:17] <jderose> hi mhall119 :)
[23:17] <mikhas> I love qtcreator myself, but sadly it only targets Qt
[23:17] <senshikaze> has anyone messed around with the new gtk animations and transitions?
[23:17] <mikhas> (not even C++, even though it easily could, I think)
[23:17] <popey> I'm off to bed. Don't make me shave my hair when I get up!
[23:17] <bobweaver> cya popey
[23:17] <mikhas> and yet, qtcreator wont help you to get your applications published in Ubuntu
[23:18] <akgraner> jderose, quit sucking up :-P
[23:18] <mikhas> it is actually quite sad what Rick has to say about the developer experience …
[23:19] <snwh> I think Rick has had his walls painted ubuntu orange.
[23:19] <akgraner> jderose,  j/k :-)
[23:19] <w1ngnut> yep. Great!
[23:19] <dpm> night popey!
[23:21] <MillerMan> hey what happened
[23:21] <MillerMan> looks like the stream stopped
[23:22] <mhall119> has it stopped for anybody else?
[23:22] <jono> stream down?
[23:22] <jcastro_> working here
[23:22] <senshikaze> working here
[23:22] <jono> cool
[23:22] <mhall119> MillerMan: try refreshing the page
[23:23] <jono> further questions?
[23:23] <jcastro_> luisalvarado had a question
[23:23] <jono> remember you can ask about anything you like :-)
[23:23] <luisalvarado> QUESTION:  What has been talked about for compiz/unity regressions in the 6.x, at least the 6.4 and 6.6 versions in relation to video performance, specially intel.
[23:23] <jcastro_> about unity quality
[23:25] <Argoz> When will we get Ubuntu TV
[23:25] <senshikaze> so does this mean you ARE going to talk to google? ;-)
[23:25] <akgraner> tooo funny!
[23:26] <senshikaze> QUESTION: (by Argoz) When will we get Ubuntu TV (I would like to add Ubuntu for Android as well)
[23:28] <balloons> luisalvarado, 6.8 is coming out in the next hours
[23:28] <Argoz> Yes, Ubuntu for android and TV is on the main site, when will it be tangible?
[23:28] <balloons> it does have some fixes for compiz/unity in it
[23:28] <luisalvarado> QUESTION: Although Unity 6.8 came out a couple of hours ago, does benchmarks used in the openbenchmark site by phoronix help in any way discover regressions?
[23:29] <w1ngnut> QUESTION: Jono in his latest post mentioned 'Automated Testing'. How was it done and how is it going to be different in the future - for the better? How can the community be engaged and help?
[23:30] <ranting_noob> Thanks for answering my question guys :-)
[23:30] <jderose> :P
[23:30] <daker> hi mhall119 dpm dholbach jono balloons i have a challenge for you, if the team raises £ 5K, you will do the Gangnam Style live :D
[23:32] <senshikaze> was that a cop out? ;-)
[23:32] <Argoz> I shall stay tuned ;D
[23:33] <snwh> jcastro_ http://www.dramabutton.com/
[23:33] <senshikaze> we don't have one as far as i know in miss.
[23:33] <OneArmedNoodler> I live in Olympia... you suck.
[23:33] <senshikaze> we have a lug, but its mostly just techs
[23:34] <dpm> daker, not sure about that ;)
[23:34] <dpm> Any more questions anyone?
[23:35] <senshikaze> It's not a bug, but a feature?
[23:35] <jderose> webkitgtk for the ui
[23:35] <jderose> the backend stuff is all HTTP client server stuff
[23:35] <anothervisitor> Hi. Short question. Are there problems with the ubuntu.com servers? My laptop can't connect to them 1hr ago.
[23:36] <senshikaze> wow. buuuurn
[23:36] <JoseeAntonioR> anothervisitor: seems not
[23:36] <jono> other questions?
[23:37] <dholbach> QUESTION: Anything from France you really miss? :)
[23:37] <mikhas> @Rick: that's still the development model of some other company behind a popular Linux distro ;-)
[23:38] <anothervisitor> Thx. My wish for ubuntu, Don't concentrate on mobiles. I haven't one, only real pc('s) and some are very old...
[23:38] <jono> other questions?
[23:38] <jono> remember you can ask about anything
[23:38] <mikhas> jono, you could ask Rick whether he's aware of how much of a pain bzr is becoming for the success of Launchpad
[23:38] <senshikaze> QUESTION: why does lp bug 1042137 give me a 404?
[23:38] <mikhas> but that's sadly a flamebait
[23:38] <jono> Canonical, Ubuntu, App Devs, anything else
[23:38] <balloons> the site rick is referring to: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:38] <JoseeAntonioR> senshikaze: maybe it's private
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> take this as an Ask Rick! session!
[23:39] <senshikaze> JoseeAntonioR: sooo, i just need to wait for a vinagre release? :-(
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> can be
[23:40] <tenach> Hi JoseeAntonioR !
[23:40] <JoseeAntonioR> hi again, tenach :)
[23:40] <mikhas> The integration test that Rick just explains takes exponential amount of time, for each package …
[23:40] <OneArmedNoodler> QUESTION: How can a poor, broke sales engineer, like myself, help the dev team most effectively?
[23:40] <jderose> testing reverse dependencies is an excellent idea
[23:40] <tenach> :D
[23:40] <tenach> !
[23:40] <tenach> That is awesome
[23:40] <mikhas> jderose, I would still refine that approach
[23:41] <mikhas> 1. integrate all apps with zero rdepends, 2. integrate all apps with 1 rdepends, 3. …
[23:41] <w1ngnut> That's a great idea. I thought it was already part of that process...
[23:41] <mikhas> IE, start with the least invasive apps, then slowly crawl towards core (where each package will require more tests to run)
[23:42] <mikhas> QUESTION: Which framework is used for UI tests in Unity?
[23:43] <mikhas> I must have missed that …
[23:43] <balloons> mikhas, autopilot, https://launchpad.net/autopilot
[23:43] <ajmitch> mikhas: autopilot is the one he was just talking about
[23:43] <mikhas> ah thanks
[23:43] <senshikaze> QUESTIONS: is wayland replacing X still on the roadmap?
[23:43] <anothervisitor> Unity (PC): I dislike that i cant modify the menubar with some sensors i wish.
[23:43] <mikhas> autopilot didnt click as a project name with me
[23:46] <mikhas> Ubuntu seems to get no credit for testing jhbuild, the one tool that helps to build GNOME
[23:46] <mikhas> at least I haven't seen any blog post on planet.gnome.org thanking Canonical for the CI infra
[23:47] <mikhas> anyway, I need to sleep, have fun!
[23:47] <jcastro_> anothervisitor, what sensor are you looking for?
[23:48] <w1ngnut> Great guys. Thx for the explanations...
[23:49] <anothervisitor> CPU-Load, HW-Temp(lm or acpi) diskusage and so. But i only found indicator-multiload. Nothing else worked.
[23:50] <anothervisitor> and this indicator conflicts if i start a kubuntu session where it should not be started.
[23:51] <snwh> anothervisitor you could try this: https://launchpad.net/indicator-sensors
[23:52] <akgraner> yay - +1 for the end users!!! :-) (but I am a little bias)
[23:52] <anothervisitor> Thnx. Will try this tomorrow.
[23:53] <snwh> anothervisitor no problem
[23:53] <sebsebseb> I think thats the case for lots of distros and other opensource/freesoftware projects as well, its about having at least some  users :)
[23:53] <OneArmedNoodler> Thanks!
[23:54] <snwh> That's why I try to convert people to Ubuntu :)
[23:54] <snwh> usually successfully.
[23:55] <senshikaze> sen-shi-ka-ze
[23:55] <senshikaze> no problem
[23:55] <anothervisitor> I used linux since '91 on my homeservers and since 1-2 years on desktop/laptop. And it works;surprisingly  mostly great - with a few problems of course.
[23:56] <Enamex> Hey guys. Just wanted to know your say on a community where in kids primary school are taught to use Windows, in mid-school Office and in high school Visual Basic.
[23:56] <Enamex> Simply put, non of my friends/relatives/acquaintances ever heard of Ubuntu. Some of the older guys did but that's through their own means. Through official schooling only MS sw is known to students, raised on it, if you will. I just want an opinion.
[23:56] <sebsebseb> anothervisitor: yep most distros are quite stable etc :)
[23:57] <senshikaze> cool. thanks for answering!
[23:57] <snwh> I think teaching some programming/computer science in schools is a good idea. in any form
[23:57] <anothervisitor> i am; historically; debian-near oriented. Step to ubuntu was logic. I was surprised how good it worked.
[23:57] <sebsebseb> snwh: indeed hence the Rassberry Pi for example
[23:58] <snwh> sebsebseb and Arduino
[23:58] <anothervisitor> But it has some points where it is not as comfortable as windows.
[23:58] <tenach> It was awesome hearing from you rick!
[23:58] <w1ngnut> night. thx!
[23:59] <sebsebseb> snwh: read about somethign similar the other night, but not quite, may have been that,  goes in USB this similar device as well


[09:12] <waltman> Morning!
[09:19] <rmg51> Morning
[09:53] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:15] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else


[05:30] <didrocks> good morning
[05:47] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[05:49] <didrocks> hey seb128
[05:51] <seb128> re didrocks
[05:57] <jibel> good morning
[06:04] <seb128> hey jibel
[06:08] <jibel> salut seb128
[06:09] <seb128> jibel, cups should be fixed in artful, let me know if you have the chance to try the update this morning
[06:12] <jibel> seb128, I tried the version in proposed yesterday and it worked fine
[06:12] <seb128> great
[06:12] <seb128> well it migrated 3 hours ago
[06:12] <seb128> so we should be good
[06:13] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:13] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:13] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, seb128
[06:13] <didrocks> hey jibel
[06:13] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[06:13] <jibel> although I've a crash of evince when I print a specific document but I don't think it's related
[06:13] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:13] <seb128> jibel, can you share the document?
[06:13] <seb128> at least privately?
[06:13] <jibel> sure
[06:13] <seb128> thanks
[06:17] <jibel> seb128, in your inbox
[06:21] <seb128> jibel, thanks, I can confirm the segfault
[06:21] <seb128> let me look a bit at the stacktrace/get debug info
[06:36] <seb128> jibel, that nautilus segfault is specific to videos?
[06:37] <jibel> seb128, I couldn't reproduce with other types
[06:37] <seb128> thanks
[06:37] <seb128> indeed I can confirm
[06:37] <jibel> seb128, there is a reference to vaapi in the trace
[06:37] <seb128> well I just did it on a mp3
[06:37] <jibel> didn't crash for me with an mp3
[06:37] <seb128> so I think it's a bug in the totem extension
[06:38] <seb128> ah
[06:38] <seb128> well it does for me
[06:38] <seb128> I'm going to assume it's the same bug in totem
[06:38] <seb128> well at least start from that one and then test with videos
[06:57] <jibel> there is a similar crash in shotwell
[07:07] <seb128> jibel, when doing what?
[07:12] <jibel> seb128, reported in LP
[07:12] <jibel> I didn't try to reproduce it yet
[07:13] <seb128> k
[07:13] <jibel> in a call right now, i'll come back to it later
[07:16] <jibel> seb128, actually I just opened shotwell under wayland and it crashed
[07:18] <seb128> jibel, evince segfault reported upstream as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102922
[07:19] <jibel> thanks
[07:31] <seb128> jibel, shotwell works fine under wayland here but I don't have lot of photos on that machine
[07:32] <seb128> oh
[07:32] <seb128> could be videos there as well
[07:32]  * seb128 going to try that a bit later
[07:33] <seb128> but I need to step out for some hours, shifting those to the evening today
[07:33] <jibel> seb128, I uploaded the crash to bug 1718595 lets see if it 's the same trace
[07:33] <seb128> thanks
[08:01] <Laney> moin
[08:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:22] <Laney> sup didrocks
[08:25] <jibel> seb128, shotwell crashes in the video reader
[08:25] <didrocks> Laney: nothing special, and you?
[08:29] <Laney> mmm not much
[08:29] <Laney> the sky is about 10cm off the ground today
[08:31] <didrocks> waow, blue sky here and sun :)
[08:35] <jibel> there used to be a setting to start a vpn automatically when a specific connection comes up. Where is it?
[08:35] <jibel> I cannot find it in the network or vpn settings
[08:42] <Trevinho> seb128: so, Laney suggested to remove the s390x nux/unity build from the archive...
[08:42] <Trevinho> hey by the way :-)
[08:44] <Trevinho> seb128: you can do that or who can?
[08:45]  * didrocks needs to add multiple 'Add printers button' as the g-c-c panel is using a gtkstack
[08:46] <didrocks> waow, system config printer is buggy in term of refresh with our theme
[08:46] <didrocks> drawing artefacts and such
[08:53] <didrocks> ah, the language support button isn't aligned right, let's ensure we align right all additional buttons as I suggested
[08:53]  * didrocks cleans up the .ui patch as well for language support
[08:54] <didrocks> (useless placeholders)
[09:02] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey, you can also help with removal of nux/unity builds for s360x? :)
[09:02] <didrocks> Trevinho: sure, did you check all rdepends?
[09:03] <didrocks> just open a bug and list all binary packages that needs to be removed please :)
[09:03] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, it only has unity
[09:03] <Trevinho> well or... unity itself let me see
[09:04] <didrocks> Trevinho: still, list all binaries package, there is libunity-core* and so on, please
[09:05] <Trevinho> didrocks: on what project?
[09:05] <didrocks> Trevinho: whatever, can against unity source package
[09:05] <Trevinho> It was probably just easier to disable the tests :-D
[09:05] <didrocks> and add all binary packages, ensuring there is no rdepends
[09:05] <Trevinho> ehm, less time consusming
[09:06] <didrocks> as you wish, but I need to list them all to remove them
[09:06] <didrocks> so, be nice to the person who is going to remove them :p
[09:06] <Trevinho> ok
[09:14] <Trevinho> didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/1718615
[09:16] <didrocks> Trevinho: see, asking you was useful, there were the lenses :)
[09:17]  * Trevinho hopes not to have included too much :-D
[09:17] <Trevinho> or to less
[09:19] <didrocks> Trevinho: done!
[09:19] <didrocks> Trevinho: well, if you followed carefully the rdepends, it should be fine :)
[09:30] <oSoMoN> when I upgrade my artful amd64 VM (vbox, was up-to-date yesterday), the VM boots but gdm fails to display the login screen
[09:45] <didrocks> oSoMoN: the french forums report it's since the kernel upgrade to 4.13.0-11-12, maybe try downgrading it?
[09:46] <oSoMoN> didrocks, thanks, trying that
[09:50] <jibel> oSoMoN, try to disable wayland in gdm
[09:51] <Trevinho> didrocks: yes I did but... Some are all
[09:51] <Trevinho> Trevinho: thanks by the way
[09:51] <Trevinho> Lol
[09:51] <oSoMoN> jibel, how do I do that? I don't have a login screen, can't select a session
[09:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: thanks to you :-)
[09:53] <jibel> oSoMoN, boot in recovery and uncomment #WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[09:56] <oSoMoN> jibel, ack, trying to downgrade (or rather not upgrade from my previous snapshot) the kernel first, then I'll try that
[09:57] <oSoMoN> didrocks, not upgrading the kernel works
[09:58] <didrocks> I guess you can drop a line on #ubuntu-kernele :p
[09:58] <didrocks> kernel*
[09:59] <Trevinho> sil2100: hey https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2892 needs to be published but it doesn't go through because of missing build in s390x. We removed it from the archive, but still status gives errors
[10:19] <jibel> didrocks, back to the keybindings topic from yesterday ccsm has little to do in the story. I did a fresh zesty install, applied all the updates, upgraded to artful and all the keybindings from unity7 are preserved and considered non-default under gnome-shell
[10:19] <jibel> didrocks, eg ctrl+super+up/down to maximize/restore instead of super+up/down
[10:20] <didrocks> jibel: interesting, can you look if the keys are considered as default before the upgrade (and then after the upgrade?)
[10:20] <didrocks> jibel: there is nothing I know of (maybe Unity/Compiz does?) writing those keys
[10:20] <didrocks> Trevinho: you may know? ^
[10:20] <sil2100> Trevinho: hm, are those really removed from the archive?
[10:22] <sil2100> Trevinho: I don't see any publishing history that would point that either nux or compiz got removed for s390x from artful
[10:25] <didrocks> sil2100: they, were but indeed, no publishing history for the removal, see bug #1718615
[10:25] <didrocks> sil2100: archive skew? I can give a retry
[10:25] <didrocks> nope
[10:25] <didrocks> $ ./remove-package -a s390x -b libnux-4.0-0 libnux-4.0-dev libunity-core-6.0-9 libunity-core-6.0-dev unity unity-lens-video unity-lens-music unity-lens-files unity-lens-applications unity-china-music-scope -m "desktop isn't a target for s390x Bug #1718615"
[10:25] <didrocks> Removing packages from artful:
[10:25] <didrocks> Could not find binaries for 'libnux-4.0-0/None' in artful .  Exiting.
[10:25] <didrocks> -> so done for the archive tool
[10:26] <sil2100> hm, I think bileto is taking the info from LP so maybe it's still a bit too soon for Bileto
[10:27] <sil2100> Maybe it'll notice once LP notices
[10:28] <sil2100> Let's give it some more time
[10:28] <sil2100> btw. last time I remember we wanted to remove unity etc. from s390x there was some opposition (can't remember what though)
[11:24] <Gargoyle> Found a sneaky bug. Might be able to fill out a proper bug report later with some guidance, but thought I would see if anyone else can recreate.
[11:25] <Gargoyle> In settings->devices->printers, click the settings icon for a printer and choose "details". The details "modal" opens with virtually no title bar. making it almost impossible to close.
[11:26] <Gargoyle> I was just about able to right click on the 2 or 3 pixels of menu bar and choose close.
[11:27] <Gargoyle> https://www.dropbox.com/s/88wh5vcpvq9e1z9/Screenshot%20from%202017-09-21%2012-26-23.png?dl=0
[11:31] <andyrock> hey seb128 regarding the urgent notification
[11:31] <andyrock> am I free regarding the design?
[11:31] <Gargoyle> 17.10, updates last installed in Tuesday (I think)
[11:33] <seb128> andyrock, hey, what urgent notifications?
[11:35] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry I have shifted hours today, seems like others helped you with the archive bits though?
[11:43] <jbicha> Gargoyle: that's LP: #1712011
[11:44] <jbicha> Gargoyle: Esc key is a workaround to close the dialog
[11:45] <andyrock> seb128: the one you get when an app requires attention
[11:45] <andyrock> it's not so used
[11:45] <andyrock> and I don't think it's high priority
[11:45] <jbicha> Gargoyle: it's an unusual bug because it doesn't happen with GNOME's Adwaita theme
[11:45] <andyrock> but I can deliver it by the end of today without problems
[11:56] <jibel> Trevinho, keybindings bug 1718648
[12:23] <seb128> andyrock, sorry I changed location, yes for that just do whatever looks fine to you, we can change it later if we want
[12:36] <Gargoyle> jbicha, Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can add anything useful to that bug.
[13:11] <Gargoyle> Is there another bug to say that printing just doesn't work full stop?
[13:12] <doko> is there a way to align the workspaces horizontally?
[13:16] <jibel> Gargoyle, it should be working today. Make sure you have the latest version of cups-filters
[13:16] <Gargoyle> jibel, Just spotted that in the pending updates, running apt now! :-)
[13:19] <kenvandine> Trevinho, do you have that in a silo?
[13:43] <oSoMoN> jibel, didrocks: to follow up on my kernel issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1718679
[13:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, did you ask about it on #ubuntu-kernel?
[13:47] <oSoMoN> seb128, I did, sforshee asked me to file a bug and said he would look into it
[13:47] <seb128> good
[13:48] <jbicha> seb128: LP: #1718643 is intentional behavior upstream. It can be disabled by turning off Tweaks>Windows>Attach Modal Dialogs
[13:48] <seb128> jbicha, I know
[13:49] <seb128> jbicha, still, if users think it's a buggy behaviour they should tell upstream
[13:49] <seb128> the feedback might lead upstream to think their design has a flaw if that's the case
[13:49] <seb128> which can't happen without feedback
[13:49] <jbicha> I don't think that's very useful here… but ok
[13:50] <seb128> yeah, bug trackers might not be the best place to give feedback on the experience
[13:50] <seb128> but we don't have a better place for that?
[13:50] <seb128> feel free to redirect them to a mailing list if you think it's more appropriate
[13:52] <seb128> jbicha, anyway I don't care much either way, my rational was just to try to provide feedback to upstream when users think there is a problem with how things are designed
[13:53] <jbicha> in this case, I think the behavior is so fundamental to GNOME that it's unlikely to be changed there
[13:53] <seb128> they can't wontfix it, it's fine
[13:53] <seb128> can*
[13:56] <jibel> today my screen is not locked on resume from suspend, anyone else experienced this?
[13:57] <seb128> I don't
[13:57] <jibel> hmm, sept. 21 15:54:56 herm gnome-shell[2358]: Screen lock is locked down, not locking
[13:57] <jibel> from the journal
[13:59] <oSoMoN> seb128, jibel : I'm seeing the LO snap crash when exporting a presentation to pdf, and there's a cairo_surface_destroy assertion failed message in the console just before the crash, wondering if that could be related to the bug you filed earlier this morning?
[14:00] <oSoMoN> I need to debug it further anyway
[14:00] <seb128> oSoMoN, could be, difficult to say without at least a backtrace
[14:01] <oSoMoN> yup, I'll try to get one
[14:01] <jibel> disable-lock-screen is set to false, everything looks normal, weird
[14:01] <seb128> jibel, well the message suggests that it thinks the screen is locked when it's not?
[14:01] <seb128> GNOME 3.26 is a bit of a disaster :-/
[14:02] <jibel> seb128, yes something along the line, or that it is disabled
[14:02] <jibel> which is not the case
[14:02] <seb128> next cycle we should perhaps avoid the new version
[14:02] <jibel> and obviously not locked since I'm typing :)
[14:02] <jbicha> seb128: the biggest problems are gnome-shell and gnome-control-center; unfortunately those are key parts of new GNOME versions :(
[14:02] <seb128> seems like they didn't really ramp up their quality since we switched
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, right, gnome-shell especially those segfault, resolution changes being dismissed
[14:03] <jbicha> other apps generally are fine
[14:03] <jibel> gnome-shell and gnome-control-center top 2 on errors.u.c in terms of crashes
[14:03] <seb128> it's even over me how they can release a "stable version" with those issues
[14:03] <seb128> especially in a wayland world
[14:04] <seb128> where a g-s segfault takes your session down
[14:04] <seb128> they should really care more about fixing bugs or at least keep on top of what gets reported
[14:04] <seb128> anyway

[14:04] <jibel> yeah, now I switch to a vt first, start byobu, then log in gnome-shell and connect to the terminal, otherwise it brings everything down on crahs
[14:05] <jibel> next cycle we should only focus on stability
[14:05] <seb128> and stay away from gnome-shell updates
[14:06] <seb128> I wonder what would be the right venue to tell them they have a quality problem and that they should get on it
[14:06] <jbicha> GNOME devs hate it when we mix & match GNOME versions but there are good reasons…
[14:07] <seb128> right
[14:12] <jbicha> I wish GNOME did LTS releases
[14:12] <mdeslaur> https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/local-man-claims-gnome-is-root-cause-of-world-problems/
[14:12] <jbicha> although that can backfire a bit for initial stability as devs rush to cram features in at the last moment
[14:19] <seb128> jibel, did you confirm that "wayland doesn't work in vm with new kernel" issue?
[14:19] <seb128> like is that impacting everyone?
[14:19] <seb128> is that specific to vms?
[14:19] <jbicha> at least GNOME 3.28 will still target mozjs52 so that's one less thing changing
[14:21] <seb128> right
[14:28] <Trevinho> kenvandine: no... I can do it or you can. As you wish
[14:54] <jibel> seb128, no I didn't
[14:54] <jibel> seb128, it works for me. The main problem is one I reported a while ago with qxl driver
[14:54] <seb128> ah
[14:54] <jibel> seb128, it's specific to virtual box
[14:54] <jibel> it works in qemu
[14:56] <jibel> yeah, last image with kernel 4.13 works in qemu
[14:56] <jibel> oSoMoN, did you try to disable wayland in gdm?
[14:56] <jibel> + latest kernel
[14:57] <jibel> to narrow the problme down
[14:59] <oSoMoN> jibel, I did (see bug report), and that "fixed" the issue indeed
[15:00] <jibel> oSoMoN, k, thanks
[15:00] <jibel> another one in the wayland queue
[15:09] <kenvandine> Trevinho, i can create it
[15:33] <oSoMoN> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-5-4-1/2217
[15:36] <oSoMoN> and https://plus.google.com/+OlivierTilloy/posts/aqMo6c9qrQE
[16:10] <seb128> oSoMoN, well done on the libreoffice snap update!
[16:12] <oSoMoN> thanks
[16:12] <oSoMoN> let's see if the feedback is good enough to promote to stable sometime next week
[16:32] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, chromium-browser fails to build in artful because of changes in glibc, I have a patch for those, let me push that to a PPA near you
[16:34] <oSoMoN> actually it's gonna have to be 61.0.3163.91, the latest stable
[17:15] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, chromium-browser 61.0.3163.91-0ubuntu1.1374 currently building in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-stable/+packages , it should be safe to copy to artful-proposed as I've already tested that patch against the beta and dev branches, and the build is already past the point where it failed
[17:16] <Laney> see you later
[18:11] <Trevinho> sil2100: Laney tried to publish it actually (https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/2892/publish/2/), but it failed... Should I clearout the silo or are there other tricks?
[18:53] <seb128> Trevinho, we should probably just pocket copy
[18:55] <oSoMoN> g’night all


[11:31] <gulzar> HI. I am using ubuntu-touch. It freezes after a minute if not used.


[03:31] <Belial`> is there a way to get mate-panel to use a drop shadow?
[06:32] <mate|30139> cannot ssh into pi....created empty local ssh file....anyone give
[06:33] <mate|30139> no display either
[13:20] <nivisan> hello
[13:22] <diogenes_> hello
[13:22] <nivisan> im searching for a girlfriend
[13:23] <diogenes_> I've hear something like that before.
[13:23] <diogenes_> heard*
[13:25] <nivisan> xd
[14:19] <mauricio-pi> ola
[14:20] <mauricio-pi> alguem sabe como troco a saida de som de hdmi para plug 3,5mm
[14:26] <mauricio-pi> Does anyone know how I can change the audio output of HDMI to 3.5 mm plug in the ubuntu mate