[00:00] <xnox> sassyn: but since 10.04 is still a support releases, you can ask a launchpad ppa to build them for you. So invoke backportpackage with a ppa argument for each and every missing dependency in 10.04
[00:00] <xnox> sassyn: and in the end the package you are after would be backported into 10.04 via that ppa.
[00:01] <xnox> sassyn: alternative is to modify the package you are after, to have less dependencies or not rely on version/features that are not available to make backporting easier.
[00:02] <sassyn> what do u mean by that  So invoke backportpackage with a ppa argument"
[00:02] <sassyn> u really helpful xnox
[00:02] <sassyn> thank u
[00:03] <xnox> sassyn: read $ man backportpackage, especially the three examples in the "EXAMPLES" section on the bottom, the third case is yours.
[00:04] <xnox> sassyn: appart you'd be fetching things just by package name and source location as done in the second example.
[00:07] <sassyn> xnox,
[00:07] <sassyn> still reading
[00:07] <xnox> sassyn: i need to go, experiment with backportpackage options, and if you get stuck again ask about on #Ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-packaging.
[00:08] <sassyn> xnox,
[00:08] <sassyn> thank u sir!
[00:08] <sassyn> have a nice weekend
[05:16] <pitti> Good morning
[05:16] <pitti> shadeslayer: does linux-firmware-nonfree's Modaliases: field contain your device?
[07:18] <diwic> pitti, good morning, would you mind debcommit -r + upload lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-tools/ubuntu and lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-lib/ubuntu ?
[07:33] <pitti> diwic: can do
[07:34] <diwic> pitti, thanks :-)
[07:34] <pitti> alsa-lib uploaded
[07:35] <pitti> diwic: alsa-tools uploaded, too
[07:37]  * diwic gives pitti a big bowl of Spätzle as thank you :-)
[07:37] <pitti> haha
[08:00] <jagadeshanh> is the problem with the WiFi resolved?
[08:22] <tvoss> pitti, good morning :)
[08:22] <pitti> hey tvoss, wie gehts?
[08:22] <tvoss> pitti, hey, gut soweit :) und bei Dir?
[08:23] <pitti> tvoss: prima, danke
[09:08] <sassyn> hi all
[09:08] <sassyn> backportpackage a package failed due to unmet dependencies
[09:09] <sassyn> Running a 12.04 machine
[09:09] <sassyn> and trying to  backportpackage -b -s maverick -d precise -w . ulogd2_2.0.3-1ubuntu1.dsc
[09:34] <Sweet5hark> Moin!
[09:35] <Sweet5hark> Hi seb128, can you please review and upload http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/libetonyek_0.0.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes ?
[09:36] <seb128> Sweetshark, sure
[09:36] <Sweet5hark> alrighty, Ill get a Coca-Cola for me. And a can for Will.
[09:37] <seb128> Riddell, ^ wants to have a look? that's a kubuntu package it seems, Sweet5hark fixed the depends
[09:46] <Riddell> seb128: Sweet5hark: looking
[09:47] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: yep, good, why's it getting a MIR?
[09:49] <Sweet5hark> Riddell, seb128: LibreOffice is in main, so I can either use libetonyek from main or make LibreOffice bring its own internal copy (its a hard dep). I prefer the first here.
[09:50] <Riddell> good good
[09:51] <seb128> Riddell, can you sponsor it if you +1? ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> thanks
[09:53] <Riddell> oh sure
[09:54] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: uploaded
[09:54] <Sweet5hark> Riddell: thanks!
[09:55] <Sweet5hark> Riddell: what uses kubuntu this for btw? calligra?
[09:57] <Laney> Riddell: (sorry for the ping flood) did you see the kubuntu image build failure? I guess you want to merge / sync the new synaptiks
[09:57] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[10:02] <sassyn> Hi,
[10:02] <sassyn> Thanks for this.
[10:02] <sassyn> I followed this, but didn't manage to make it happen.
[10:02] <sassyn> The problem is that the pkg I need is coming from version 14.04 and i run 12.04
[10:02] <sassyn> So I dget the foo.dsc and try to build it using pbuilder, but the foo.dsc needs some other pkgs version which are no exits in the verion 12.04,
[10:02] <sassyn> so it failed.
[10:02] <sassyn> I started to download each required pkg (bar.dsc, zoo.dsc, etc...) that foo was depend on, but then got to a endless loop, since bar.dsc also wanted some pkg that where missing in the 12.04.
[10:02] <sassyn> So I play a little with the control file of the foo pkg, and got to a point where I had only 4 pkg that need to come from version 14.04 to version 12.04.
[10:02] <sassyn> I manage to build them, and also create a local repo, so the base image of pbuilder will be aware of them.
[10:02] <sassyn> Then try to build the foo.dsc and failed again.
[10:03] <sassyn> What am I'm doing wrong?
[10:03] <sassyn> It's being a week already without any sleep - and I just can't figure it out.
[10:03] <sassyn> Help will be mot welcome!
[10:03] <sassyn> Thank
[10:03] <sassyn> Sassy
[10:03] <sassyn> oppsss
[10:03] <sassyn> sorry about that :-(
[10:03] <sassyn> Group,
[10:03] <sassyn> I can't manage to backport my pkg
[10:04] <sassyn> need some help here. kind of lost - 1 week without any sleep - and I still can't get this pbuilder, cowbuilder, cowdancer and backport
[10:04] <sassyn> if someone can help it will be great!
[10:25] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: yes calligra uses it
[10:26] <Riddell> Laney: let's poke shadeslayer about that one :)
[10:26] <Laney> okay
[10:28] <Sweet5hark> Riddell: So my spidersenses were right there ... ;)
[10:36] <sassyn> Anyone?
[10:40] <pitti> sassyn: it would help if you'd mention what exactly fails when you build those (pastebin the build log or so)
[10:41] <sassyn> pitti,
[10:41] <sassyn> sure
[10:41] <pitti> sassyn: but in general you can't just lower dependencies, they are usually bumped for a reason
[10:41] <sassyn> pitti, but I think I get it somehow wrong and wanted to ask someone about the all process and not specific problem I have
[10:42] <pitti> sassyn: if you run into many dependencies that your package doesn't have in 12.04, you usually have to backport those as well, there are no easy shortcuts in general
[10:42] <pitti> it's not unlikely that your package fails to build if you lower a build dep and build it against an old library in 12.04, etc.
[10:42] <sassyn> pitti, I saw some thing call PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD="/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi"
[10:43] <sassyn> doesn't this should know to grub all dep?
[10:43] <sassyn> if so, I just don't understand how backport is working.
[10:44] <sassyn> pitti, what I did in the beining is that I install ubuntu 12.04 got the foo pkg and started to build it. then it ask for some deps that were missing, so I download them as well.
[10:45] <pitti> you already mentioned that part
[10:45] <pitti> but without details of what actually goes wrong (paste a build log), nobody can help you
[10:47] <sassyn> so in more general way, if pkg X of version 14.04 depend on Pkg Y from version 14.04, and I want to backport pkg X to version 12.04, what is the best way of doing so?
[10:47] <pitti> as you said, backport y first
[10:48] <sassyn> and what if y require Z from version 14.04?
[10:48] <pitti> wash, rinse, repeat
[10:48] <pitti> but if you require more than, say 5 packages, it's probably a lost cause
[10:48] <cjwatson> or sometimes figure out why that dependency is present and if it can be loosened; there's no general answer to this, it requires understanding and thought and sometimes creativity
[10:48] <pitti> you end up backporting half the release, and you should rather just use that release then (perhaps in a chroot)
[10:49] <sassyn> pitti understood
[10:50] <pitti> as cjwatson says, without build logs or even package names that's all we can say
[10:50] <sassyn> the pkg is ulogd2
[10:50] <sassyn> from 13.10
[10:50] <sassyn> which I manage to install on 10.04
[10:51] <Sweet5hark> pitti: "but if you require more than, say 5 packages, it's probably a lost cause" -- except if you are ricotz and heroically backport LibreOffice ...
[10:51] <pitti> heh, yes
[10:52] <sassyn> just need to download 3 orig debs from version 13.10 (which were installed by dpkg -i *) and then build 5 dep pakcages which in all of them i had to change the compact to use version 7 as I wanted to keep debhelp
[10:54] <sassyn> I'm lost :-(
[10:55] <sassyn> I was sure ppa will do this auto
[10:56] <cjwatson> PPAs only work at the level of individual source packages; they won't automatically figure out that they need to build additional things to satisfy your build-dependencies (although of course they will install any build-dependencies that are already available), and they won't automatically make any necessary modifications to your source package
[10:57] <cjwatson> they're a good way to avoid having to maintain the build infrastructure yourself
[10:57] <cjwatson> but they aren't artificially intelligent
[10:57] <sassyn> cjwatson, please can u tell me how
[10:58] <sassyn> i think i will drink some postion
[10:58] <sassyn> cause I totlay lost here
[10:58] <sassyn> I don't want to go manually for each verion
[10:58] <sassyn> there is no magic way?
[10:58] <cjwatson> backporting from 13.10 to 10.04 is bound to be very difficult; if nothing else the addition of multiarch between 10.04 and 12.04 meant a large number of changes to a large number of library packages
[10:58] <cjwatson> there is no magic way
[10:59] <cjwatson> if you find yourself needing to undo multiarch changes to a package, you can try reversing the steps in https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation
[10:59] <cjwatson> but if you're not already familiar with packaging it isn't going to be straightforward
[10:59] <cjwatson> if I were you I would certainly be considering whether it would be easier to upgrade to 12.04
[11:00] <sassyn> so backport will only work for a pkg from a new version only if the meet the depnedecies chain
[11:01] <cjwatson> right, that's inevitable
[11:01] <cjwatson> either you satisfy the dependencies or figure out how to weaken them
[11:01] <sassyn> or that I can backport each one of them
[11:01] <cjwatson> I'm including that in "satisfy"
[11:02] <cjwatson> which build-dependencies of ulogd2 aren't satisfied in lucid already?
[11:02] <sassyn> debhelper for example
[11:02] <cjwatson> well, debhelper (>= 9)
[11:02] <sassyn> manually change this to 7
[11:02] <sassyn> did work
[11:03] <sassyn> but I needed to have some extra pkg as well
[11:04] <cjwatson> you can probably get away with 7 without too much trouble, yes.  what are the other packages involved?
[11:05] <cjwatson> (7> in this specific case, I mean, since there are no library packages here)
[11:06] <sassyn>  DIST=precise ARCH=i386 pbuilder  build ulogd2_2.0.3-1ubuntu1.dsc
[11:06] <sassyn>  running this
[11:06] <sassyn> give me
[11:06] <sassyn> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: build-essential:native
[11:08] <sassyn> what does it mean?
[11:08] <cjwatson> looks to me like the genuine missing build-deps here are dh-autoreconf, libnfnetlink-dev (lucid has 1.0.0-1 but you need >= 1.0.1), libmnl-dev, libnetfilter-acct-dev, libnetfilter-conntrack-dev (lucid has 0.0.101-1 but you need >= 1.0.2), libdbi-dev, and dh-systemd
[11:09] <cjwatson> oh, you said precise, not lucid
[11:09] <sassyn> my mistake
[11:09] <cjwatson> why is debhelper (>= 9) a problem then?  precise has debhelper 9.20120115ubuntu3
[11:09] <sassyn> i meat precise
[11:09] <cjwatson> and in that case all my comments about multiarch above are irrelevant
[11:10] <cjwatson> so you're just missing libnfnetlink-dev (>= 1.0.1), libnetfilter-acct-dev, libnetfilter-conntrack-dev (>= 1.0.2), and dh-systemd
[11:11] <cjwatson> dh-systemd is easy - just drop that from Build-Depends and change "dh $@ --with autoreconf,systemd" in debian/rules to "dh $@ --with autoreconf"
[11:11] <sassyn> OK
[11:12] <sassyn> and them what? I will be still missing the libnfnetlink-dev (>= 1.0.1), libnetfilter-acct-dev, libnetfilter-conntrack-dev (>= 1.0.2)
[11:12] <sassyn> so then I will need to make the same for libnfnetlink-dev etc...
[11:12] <cjwatson> The build-essential:native thing above is spurious.  Either pbuilder is entirely broken for building on precise, or it's just giving you unhelpful output
[11:12] <sassyn> once I will have them all
[11:12] <cjwatson> I don't use pbuilder (I much prefer sbuild), so I can't help with that
[11:13] <cjwatson> Right, you'll need to backport all of libnfnetlink, libnetfilter-acct, and libnetfilter-conntrack; those build-deps seem to be real
[11:13] <cjwatson> libnfnetlink should be trivial
[11:14] <cjwatson> Indeed so should libnetfilter-acct and libnetfilter-conntrack; all their build-deps are already satisfied
[11:14] <sassyn> so once I do that, I should link my  build machine to the local repo which have libnfnetlink-dev etc.. build
[11:14] <cjwatson> Right
[11:15] <sassyn> so then go and try to build ulogd2
[11:15] <cjwatson> Or just upload these to a PPA if you're having trouble with pbuilder
[11:15] <sassyn> PPA is also new to me
[11:15] <sassyn> never used it
[11:15] <sassyn> will it be easy?
[11:16] <cjwatson> It's pretty straightforward
[11:16] <cjwatson> Start by creating a PPA for this at https://launchpad.net/~
[11:16] <sassyn> so I just upload my pkg to ppa, say the libnfnetlink-dev and the ppa will "know" to link to my ppa local repo auto?
[11:17] <sassyn> then go head and do the same for all the rest?
[11:17] <sassyn> until ending with ulog2?
[11:17] <cjwatson> Then you can do the first step with "backportpackage -u ppa:YOURLAUNCHPADUSERNAME/NAME-OF-PPA -s saucy -d precise libnfnetlink"
[11:17] <cjwatson> I don't know what you mean by linking to your ppa local repo
[11:17] <cjwatson> The PPA will build against the Ubuntu primary archive for the series in question (precise in this case) plus itself
[11:18] <cjwatson> (Unless configured otherwise, which is possible, but you shouldn't need to here)
[11:18] <sassyn> HOOO ok
[11:18] <sassyn> so I just need to do it in the right order
[11:18] <sassyn> running libnfnetlink before ulogd2
[11:19] <cjwatson> Right, and you'll need to construct a manual source upload for ulogd2 itself because you'll need to remove the dh-systemd build-dep
[11:19] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[11:19] <cjwatson> It's certainly possible to do all this locally too, it's just more effort
[11:20] <sassyn> cjwatson, u are great ! thank u !
[11:21] <sassyn> cjwatson, one more thing, if the libnfnetlink will require to have some pkg as well which only exitis in  saucy
[11:22] <sassyn> and I faillet's call it pkg M
[11:22] <sassyn> and build package M is a problem cause I will get to endless loop of other dep
[11:22] <sassyn> the way I overcome this was just download the *.deb file and install it on my local machine via dpkf -i m.deb
[11:23] <sassyn> how can I over come this in ppa?
[11:27] <cjwatson> sassyn: well, I already checked and that isn't the case for any of these
[11:27] <cjwatson> sassyn: you can't; you have to figure out how to build it
[11:28] <cjwatson> sassyn: it wouldn't actually be an endless loop anyway.  just requires creativity to figure out where to simplify things
[11:30] <sassyn> cjwatson, here what I did create a based image for precise using pbuilder. download the  init-system-helpers_1.7 pkg and build it using pbuilder . this one works. now I enable a local repo so the base image will have the  init-system-helpers_1.7 pkg using apt-get. now if I will run the build for ulog2 this is what I'm getting dh clean --with autoreconf,systemd
[11:30] <sassyn> dh: unable to load addon systemd: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/systemd.pm
[11:30] <cjwatson> 11:11 <cjwatson> dh-systemd is easy - just drop that from Build-Depends and change "dh $@ --with autoreconf,systemd" in debian/rules to "dh $@ --with autoreconf"
[11:31] <cjwatson> You were mistaken in attempting to resolve this by building init-system-helpers
[11:31] <sassyn> understand this, but why the base image didn't install this pkg which is avlibaile
[11:31] <cjwatson> Maybe it did but your backport was broken in some way
[11:32] <cjwatson> I don't think it's necessarily interesting to debug that since it isn't the right approach for backporting to precise anyway, IMO
[11:33] <sassyn> so what will be the right way?
[11:35] <pitti> sassyn: cjwatson told you twice now, see message from 5 mins ago
[11:43] <tseliot> pitti: is there documentation (or are there examples) on how to make sure that apport collects a set of files when filing a bug report against a specific package?
[11:44] <pitti> tseliot: both :) /usr/share/doc/apport/package-hooks.txt.gz is the documentation, and there are plenty of existing hooks in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ which do that
[11:44] <tseliot> pitti: great, thanks!
[11:47] <tvoss> davmor2, hey there
[12:07] <davmor2> tvoss|lunch: hello
[12:48] <pitti> tvoss|lunch: thanks, fixed the typo
[13:20] <tvoss|lunch> pitti, approved https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/platform-api/crash-without-hw/+merge/204838
[13:30] <pitti> tvoss|lunch: cheers!
[13:30] <pitti> didrocks, sil2100 ^ what's the method du jour to land that now? still add to the spreadsheet?
[13:31] <sil2100> pitti: hah, yes, but a different one
[13:31] <sil2100> pitti: there's that CITrain spreadsheet where you should add landings - but I think you'll be trained on that next week ;)
[13:31] <pitti> sil2100: there's a fix for qtubuntu-sensors on top of that, but I guess I'll ask for that separately as in that branch I'd like to bump the dep to platform-api to the one I want to land now
[13:32] <sil2100> pitti: for now just poke sergiusens, he can fill in landings for that
[13:32] <pitti> sil2100: ok; would you mind adding https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/platform-api/crash-without-hw/+merge/204838 there? it's a self-contained bug fix, no other dependencies
[13:32] <pitti> sil2100: thanks
[13:32] <pitti> sergiusens: can you please add https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/platform-api/crash-without-hw/+merge/204838 there? it's a self-contained bug fix, no other dependencies
[13:33] <sergiusens> pitti, ack
[13:33] <pitti> sergiusens: "there" -> to the landing sheet
[13:33] <pitti> sergiusens: thanks
[13:33] <pitti> sergiusens: shoudl I top-approve that MP, or will you?
[13:34] <sergiusens> pitti, either is fine; you can do it now if you want; it won't get merged until it's in the archive
[13:34] <pitti> sergiusens: ack; done so that it falls off the review queue
[13:36] <pitti> sergiusens: and FTR, I tested it on mako and x86
[13:39] <sergiusens> pitti, sounds good
[13:54] <pete-woods> Trevinho: I'm really struggling to replicate this HUD bug
[13:55] <pete-woods> I've tried sublimetext 2 and 3
[13:55] <pete-woods> and opened .pl files in-case that perl action was significnt
[13:55] <pete-woods> Trevinho: are there plug-ins for the program? or some options you can turn on that enable more menus?
[14:06] <tvoss> sil2100, hey there
[14:18] <mpt> bdmurray, ev: Does this look good to you? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165304593/Series%20colors.png
[14:32] <NikTh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1277502
[14:32] <NikTh> Is this bug accurate ? And why something like this could be happened ?
[14:33] <Trevinho> pete-woods: oh, sorry missed your mentions...
[14:33] <pete-woods> Trevinho: no worrie
[14:33] <pete-woods> s
[14:33] <Trevinho> pete-woods: no sure, I'm just using sublime-text2 with some plugins...
[14:33] <Trevinho> but no one should be much relevant afaik
[14:33] <pete-woods> Trevinho: I'm desperate, though!
[14:34] <Trevinho> pete-woods: have you seen my bt? Is helpful in someway or do you need dbus monitoring stuffo or what?
[14:34] <pete-woods> Trevinho: it's helpful, but I really need to see what causes it
[14:35] <pete-woods> Trevinho: what's weird is that the stack would be stuck there, I mean, on that line it's just accessing a Qt property (i.e. get a QVariant)
[14:35] <pete-woods> there shouldn't be anything that could block
[14:35] <Trevinho> pete-woods: might be that it iterates over bad designed list of children/parents?
[14:35] <rbasak> NikTh: I don't think the reporter of that bug understands Ubuntu development process. AFAICS, there is no bug. See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration.
[14:36] <pete-woods> Trevinho: it has to be something along those lines
[14:36] <pete-woods> but still, why would it stop on the get variant call?
[14:36] <davmor2> tvoss: Hey dude so I managed to find the debs for that merge, I currently have 8 apps open on mako, all the apps are drawing correctly on dash and are all switching nicely and there is little slow down on the phone.  I'll open a few more and see if I can kill it
[14:37] <pete-woods> Trevinho: like here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/hud/trunk.14.04/view/head:/libqtgmenu/internal/QtGMenuModel.cpp#L428
[14:37] <pete-woods> could there be something massive in the variant someone?
[14:37] <Trevinho> pete-woods: mh, I didn't check the actual code much (yet), I only saw it was iterating over actions... So I thought it might not handle the loop as it should
[14:38] <davmor2> tvoss: drawing the thumbnails is slow is that only thing I've noticed so far
[14:38] <pete-woods> *somehow
[14:40] <tvoss> davmor2, thanks for looking into it
[14:41] <davmor2> ogra_: how many apps could you install on mako before it started to die?
[14:41] <ogra_> install ?
[14:41] <davmor2> ogra_: sorry run rather than install
[14:41] <ogra_> i never managed to hit the edge
[14:41] <ogra_> davmor2, 6-7
[14:42] <davmor2> ogra_, tvoss: I'm getting close to 20 and the system is still pretty snappy although it is slowing slightly
[14:42] <ogra_> yay
[14:42] <ogra_> so that part imroved
[14:42] <ogra_> davmor2, could you rm /SWAP.swp, reboot and try again ?
[14:44] <Trevinho> pete-woods: no idea... Mh... The only thing might happen is that basically a children is actually also a parent of a child... and so we get an infinite loop
[14:44] <pete-woods> Trevinho: yes, that is possible I think, and should be accounted for, but surely that would lead to a huge stack?
[14:44] <pete-woods> given we're using recursion
[14:46] <Trevinho> yeah, that's true
[14:47] <NikTh> rbasak: Thanks for clarifying this.
[14:52] <mdeslaur> is there a retracer running for trusty bugs?
[14:52] <mdeslaur> looks like it's not being run
[14:53] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: any idea who I would ping about the trusty retracer?
[15:03] <davmor2> ogra_, tvoss: right with 21 apps open including webapps and the camera, 3 apps in the dash layout look blank but they open fine and can be switched to with no issues. memory wise on the dash I'm at 1070 of 1871 swp is 0 I will however now rm /SWAP.swp and try that too
[15:03] <tvoss> davmor2, thanks, can you take a sample of the shells memory usage?
[15:03] <doko> Sweet5hark, we now require symbols files for main inclusion
[15:05] <davmor2> tvoss: sorry do you mean with all that apps closed as a comparison?  If so I'll remove swap and reboot and it will be nice and clean :)
[15:06] <tvoss> davmor2, nope, right now when the previews go blank
[15:07] <davmor2> ogra_: rm cannot remove "/SWAP.swp"  no such file
[15:08] <davmor2> tvoss: so under htop unity8 is showing at 0.7% cpu and 22.7% mem
[15:09] <davmor2> tvoss: there is however several listings of unity8
[15:09] <tvoss> davmor2, those are threads, try to switch to tree view in htop
[15:11] <davmor2> tvoss: yeap all good so the figures stand :)  0.7 and 22.7
[15:11] <tvoss> davmor2, ack and thx
[15:14] <bdmurray> mpt: looks good to me, if you submit an mp I'll merge it later today
[15:14] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: for the launchpad one pitti or seb128
[15:14] <davmor2> tvoss: interestingly it seems to be the position rather than the apps that is blank 3 row 1 column and 4 row 1&2 column  all the rest appear correct but if I click on one of the blank app it goes to row 1 column1 and is visible and the one that is push to 3:1 is no blank
[15:15] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: thanks!
[15:15] <mdeslaur> seb128: any idea why the trusty retracer isn't running?
[15:15] <bdmurray> mpt: ah, I see your mp now.  so I'll merge that and the milestones one
[15:16] <seb128> mdeslaur, let me check
[15:17] <ogra_> davmor2, hmm, try /userdata/SWAP.*
[15:17] <davmor2> tvoss: http://ubuntuone.com/7my6xiriTiIEQBPxNw9O6D
[15:18] <davmor2> tvoss: it's only ever those 3 that are empty
[15:21] <davmor2> ogra_: rm: cannot remove '/userdata/SWAP.img': Operation not permitted
[15:21] <ogra_> davmor2, hmm, you might need to swapoff
[15:22] <davmor2> ogra_: that did it
[15:23] <tvoss> pitti, hey there
[15:23] <pitti> hello tvoss
[15:24] <mpt> thanks bdmurray
[15:25] <davmor2> ogra_: right htop now says swap 0/0MB  and now you want me to open apps galore again yes?
[15:26] <ogra_> yeah
[15:26] <ogra_> lets see how far you get
[15:26] <davmor2> ogra_: on it
[15:31] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm going to run out of installed apps
[15:31] <ogra_> lol
[15:31] <ogra_> how many do you have open
[15:31] <davmor2> ogra_: let me finisgh the installed apps and I'll tell you
[15:34] <davmor2> ogra_: 30 open apps, htop says 1181/1871MB on the memory line
[15:34] <ogra_> oh, well, that means it would get tricky to open some mem consuming stuff indie an app i guess
[15:35] <ogra_> *inside
[15:35] <pitti> mdeslaur: should be running just fine
[15:35] <pitti> seb128: ^
[15:35] <ogra_> try playing some music now and see if the apps still persist if you flick through them
[15:35] <davmor2> ogra_: and other than the draw on the thumbnails the phone is still pretty snappy :)
[15:35] <ogra_> (this looks like quite a hardcode stresstest :) )
[15:37] <davmor2> ogra_: just taken a bunch of photos and the memory usage has gone down, switch to dropping letters and it's lower still
[15:37] <ogra_> great
[15:37] <ogra_> well, Mir must have killed one or more apps that are bakgrounded
[15:37] <seb128> pitti, what in the backlog?
[15:38] <ogra_> you should see one that takes a bit longer to show up when you flick through
[15:38] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm assuming the extra is just holding memory for the images on that dash as it redraws each time I leave and app
[15:38] <sarnold> pitti: see e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vidalia/+bug/1276921 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1277197
[15:38] <davmor2> tvoss: ^
[15:38] <seb128> pitti, oh, trusty retracers
[15:38] <seb128> pitti, did you restart them?
[15:38] <seb128> or are they running?
[15:38] <pitti> seb128: no, they didn't crash in the first place
[15:38] <seb128> k
[15:38] <seb128> mdeslaur, do you have a bug number example?
[15:38] <seb128> oh what sarnold just said I guess
[15:39] <pitti> these two aren't in the logs
[15:39] <ogra_> davmor2, no, unity/Mir are supposed to keep the apps there but in SIGSTOP state ... if the memory pressure gets to high it starts killing them (but will start them afresh if you flick to a killed app)
[15:39] <seb128> I don't have access to those
[15:39] <davmor2> ogra_: with dropping letters open I'm down to 1083/1871MB
[15:39] <mdeslaur> seb128: yeah, hold on there are a couple of public ones
[15:39] <mdeslaur> seb128: 1275679
[15:40] <ogra_> davmor2, you should actually see one or more apps take a bit longer to show the UI (because they need to start from scratch)
[15:40] <davmor2> ogra_: seems to be working then :)
[15:40] <pitti> ERROR: connecting to Launchpad failed: unclosed token: line 20413, column 14
[15:40] <ogra_> what is important is that they still start fine ... and that the thumbnails stay around (and that the labels are correct fr the matching thumbnails)
[15:40] <pitti> mdeslaur, seb128 ^ ah, that's it
[15:41] <pitti> launchpadlib or LP itself going nuts
[15:41] <mdeslaur> pitti: whoops :)
[15:41] <ogra_> davmor2, if thats given i think we can call this test successfull
[15:41] <ogra_> :)
[15:41]  * pitti deletes the lplib cache
[15:42] <pitti> 87G.launchpadlib/api.launchpad.net/cache/
[15:42] <pitti> ouch! I guess launchpadlib doesn't have any cleanup code
[15:42] <mdeslaur> ouch!
[15:43] <davmor2> ogra_: so the blank ones are the shutdown apps by the look of it.  And they take an extra second to open back up when you swipe through the apps from the right
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah
[15:43] <ogra_> that should be fixed if click gets faster
[15:43] <cjwatson> when
[15:44] <cjwatson> :-)
[15:44] <ogra_> :)
[15:44] <ogra_> davmor2, in any case thats an awesome result !!!!
[15:44] <ogra_> and way better than what i saw last time when trying the same
[15:44] <cjwatson> but I have an n-way hydra madness customer bug to fix before I get back to that, and you probably want me to make some progress on the livefs/LP bug too
[15:44] <cjwatson> s/bug too/support too/
[15:44] <davmor2> cjwatson: and his leprechaun pot of optimism ;)
[15:45] <cjwatson> (when did you last see a six-foot-tall leprechaun?)
[15:45] <davmor2> tvoss: did you want me to comment on the merge?
[15:46] <davmor2> cjwatson: I didn't say you were, I said you had a leprechaun pot of optimism.  Gold didn't sound right for this instance :)
[15:47] <davmor2> cjwatson: also last Saint Patricks day all over the Country :D
[15:52] <cjwatson> davmor2: *shudder*
[15:54] <rharper> hallyn: it's been a few weeks, but I finally have an update to test-qemu.py that passes all 22 tests on: precise, quantal, raring, saucy and trusty,   there is a decent amount of churn in the script since a lot of failures were false positives with the test framework (ssh timeouts into the guest, guest image corruption, etc.)
[15:54] <rharper> hallyn: lp:~raharper/qa-regression-testing/scripts-test-qemu-fixups-v2
[15:56] <rharper> in some cases we still see random failure in the nic test, or one of the hotplug tests; but running them manually, or isolated, it passes just fine.  This is related to the harness, IMO, tcg on older releases likely has some issues that newer qemus have resolved, I've not seen any variance in the trusty qemu for these tests over the past month of hacking on this script
[15:59] <pitti> seb128, mdeslaur: it's catching up now
[15:59] <mdeslaur> thanks pitti!
[15:59] <sarnold> thanks pitti
[16:01] <davmor2> cjwatson: shhhh it might ruin the illusion but I think they might of been beer drinking 6ft leprechauns :)
[16:02] <tvoss> davmor2, your manual testing feedback would be helpful
[16:03] <davmor2> tvoss: no worries
[16:09] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[16:10] <davmor2> tvoss: Done
[16:10] <tvoss> davidcalle, thanks
[16:41] <infinity> jodh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1277594
[16:42] <jodh> infinity: thanks
[16:43] <infinity> jodh: I imagine, other than the "document the new option" bit, it's a 2-line patch or so. :)
[16:43] <infinity> Well, and the bikeshedding over what to call the new option.  Maybe just "--sessions"?
[16:44] <infinity> As that's the logical inverse of --no-sessions
[16:44] <jodh> infinity: except that we also have --session just to be confusing :)
[16:44] <infinity> jodh: Hah.
[16:45] <infinity> jodh: I do question the choice to not prefix all of those options with --upstart or --init, too.  Extra confusing to me to sort out why bits of my kernel cmdline aren't for my kernel or initrd.
[16:45] <infinity> jodh: But way too late to go back and bikeshed that one. :P
[16:46] <xnox> infinity: jodh: is that about chroot sessions? i thought the plan to rip that out post trusty.
[16:47] <xnox> infinity: jodh: flipping the default the other way around also sounds reasonable to me.
[16:47] <infinity> xnox: I don't care if the code is ripped out, I just want the default changed.  The errors thrown are remarkably surprising to people who don't know what's going on (and annoying to people who do).
[16:48] <xnox> infinity: so a flag to do inverse naturally should be --no-sessions=false
[16:48] <infinity> *choke*
[16:48] <xnox> ;-) and the default is --no-sessions[=true]
[16:48] <infinity> --maybe-sessions=surpriseme
[16:50] <infinity> Oh dear, it's annual fire alarm testing day at my apartment building.  I might not be sane by EOD.
[17:14] <Laney> is Conflicts/Replaces enough to make update-manager happy to remove a package?
[17:15] <cjwatson> Laney: yes
[17:15] <Laney> merci
[17:39] <sassyn> xnox, hi
[17:56] <cjwatson> doko: do you think you could look at a ruby1.9.1 merge?  you're til; looks like it's needed to stop ruby-defaults breaking the world in -proposed
[17:56] <cjwatson> (well, the rubyish world)
[17:57] <doko> cjwatson, ok, not today anymore. will look at it tomorrow
[17:57]  * cjwatson nods
[17:57] <cjwatson> thanks
[18:00]  * infinity blinks at gnome-settings-daemon producing a _all.deb on i386 and _arch.deb on all the others.
[18:01] <infinity> xnox: What did you DO?
[18:02] <infinity> Oh, maybe it's the queue that's confused.
[18:02] <infinity> Very, very confused. :P
[18:03] <infinity> Or it's me.
[18:03] <infinity> Nevermind.
[18:07] <xnox> infinity: i had a sad day with gnome-settings-daemon, getting trolled by germans and french from desktop team did not help with concentration levels.
[18:07] <xnox> infinity: it should be _fine_ now.
[18:07] <xnox> infinity: i got the upstart jobs right, just nothing else.
[18:08] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, it's fine. I was confused by two different versions in the NEW queue.  My poor brain thought it was all the same version and was super confused. :P
[18:26] <sassyn> cjwatson,
[18:26] <sassyn> hi again
[18:27] <sassyn> at the end I manage to make it work
[18:27] <sassyn> with pbuilder
[18:27] <sassyn> the only thing I still don't understand is the dep issue.
[18:31] <sassyn> I will ask again, if I want to build a package name foo that exitst in ubuntu 14.04. So I have build a base image of 10.04 using pbuilder or ppa, and start the build process. The build map the base image, and check for deps.
[18:32] <sassyn> if all deps are OK, pkg build just fine. If however some dep can't be found (let's called it pkg bar), as it include only in version 14.04 - I need to download it as well, and build it under the base image.
[18:33] <sassyn> if bar also requires other dep I do the same until the end of the loop.
[18:33] <sassyn> I might need to build the entire system, which will be easyier to upgrade to 14.04, but let say once I download bar I'm OK.
[18:34] <sassyn> so bar was build, and I put it in a local repo, where the base image of 10.04 is sync to , and now starting to build the foo pkg. and foo now was created succesffuly
[18:34] <sassyn> I needed to play a little with the control and compat file since I'm using debhelp 7 and not 9 .
[18:35] <sassyn> If I try to update debhelp, I ended up with bascily upgrading a lot of pkg. So i just use 7 under the contol file to make it easier.
[18:35] <sassyn> and walla, I have the pkgs up in place.
[18:36] <sassyn> my question if this process it the way to go, or if there is onther magic way which be simpler.
[18:36] <sassyn> I was thinking that the dep process can be auto without me need to get involve
[18:36] <sassyn> at least that I was thinkg the backport command is doing
[18:37] <sassyn> so I will be thankfull if someone can drop me a comment here
[18:37] <sassyn> thank u
[18:39] <tarpman> sassyn: AFAICT you're doing it right, backportpackage only automates no-change backports, packaging changes (e.g. debhelper compat, dependency versions) have to be done manually
[18:39] <tarpman> sassyn: although FWIW I have seen a couple of PPAs where dh 9 was backported to lucid... can't remember where
[18:42] <hallyn> jibel: hi, I'm trying out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup on trusty, but bin/auto-upgrade-tester is python3, and python3 doesn't seem to have a distro_info package
[19:01] <bdmurray> pitti: why does apport retrace sometimes fail with "E: Ignore unavailable version '<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu5' of package 'network-manager-applet'"?  The version of the package does exist its just in the release pocket and not -updates.
[19:03] <bdmurray> pitti: I mention -updates because that is enabled in the retracer sources.list file
[19:18] <sassyn> tarpman, thank u
[19:22] <Chipaca> hey all. Is there an easy way to tell dh to skip installing a file? the build builds it, but i don't want to ship it in the binary package
[19:25] <Chipaca> wait. why am i specifying --fail-missing
[19:25]  * Chipaca deskfaces
[20:07] <Noskcaj> Can someone please test build openimageio on ppc from debian? If it builds we can sync
[20:07] <psusi> so dpkg says no package owns /etc/fstab... so where does it come from?
[20:11] <xnox> psusi: installer generates it.
[20:11] <xnox> psusi: it's a config file, not a conffile.
[20:12] <psusi> weird...
[20:13] <xnox> psusi: /lib/init/fstab is owned by mountall and defines default things.
[20:13] <xnox> psusi: and i majority of cases one doesn't need an fstab at all.
[20:15] <psusi> xnox: sure, but one is provided and has some comments in it.. I'm looking at an old bug report that the comments are wrong and need updated... so I was wondering where the heck the file actually comes from
[20:15] <tedg> xnox, So it's appearing that if an Upstart job's execution is short enough it doesn't ever emit a "started" event.  Is that expected?
[20:26] <tedg> Looks like it never hits "running" — starting → security → pre-start → spawned → post-start → stopping → killed → post-stop → waiting
[20:32] <infinity> Noskcaj: I'll give it a shot.
[20:33] <infinity> Noskcaj: Also, that new cogl upstream you pointed me at looks like it was generated with a broken libtool.  Would be nice to hunt down where that came from and make sure that distro isn't still shipping such breakage.
[20:36] <Noskcaj> infinity, thanks.
[20:57] <infinity> Noskcaj: Unsurprisingly, the new openimageio still has the same issue.  I'll re-merge.
[20:57] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks
[22:37] <xnox> tedg: do you have a reproducible test case we can add to the test-suite?
[22:37] <tedg> xnox, Working on it.  It seems to be whether the post-start job takes longer than the main job.
[22:38] <tedg> Trying to verify that.
[22:38] <xnox> tedg: spawned -> stopping is plausible, but then post-start shouldn't be reached. Not so long ago, we did change some state transitions around there.
[22:39] <tedg> xnox, Here's what I'm getting, no running.  starting → security → pre-start → spawned → post-start → stopping → killed → post-stop → waiting
[22:39] <xnox> tedg: oh and i don't think we emit started, if the goal is changed to stopping mid-way.
[22:39] <xnox> (or e.g. stop on condition gets satisfied)
[22:40] <tedg> Hmm, that's what I'm seeing.  Do you think that's on purpose or a bug?
[22:41] <tedg> Really it did start, and run, it seems like started should have been emitted.
[22:41] <xnox> tedg: i need to see a test-case and/or code logs where you see above.
[22:41] <xnox> tedg: you are experiencing it, so pass on the know-how ;-)
[22:42] <xnox> (preferably in a bug report, just finished watching Sochi)
[22:42] <tedg> Yeah, okay.  I think I've got enough for a bug report now.
[22:42] <tedg> Ah, don't tell me.  We're not allowed to know here yet until Prime Time.
[22:42] <tedg> I'm curious if they could, perhaps, have fireworks.
[22:42] <tedg> :-)
[22:43] <xnox> tedg: i didn't get to see all of it, but it is indeed marvelous.
[22:46] <tedg> xnox, Okay, logged bug 1277737
[22:46] <xnox> tedg: why manual?
[22:46] <tedg> Oh, I usually do that for test jobs... just in case :-)
[22:47] <tedg> Works the same without.
[22:48] <xnox> tedg: that's normal.
[22:49] <xnox> tedg: if you really wish for started event to be emitted, it should be declared as a "task"
[22:49] <xnox> tedg: since main process died, before post-start was complete. And "started" is only emitted if post-start is complete and the main process is still alive.
[22:50] <tedg> xnox, Adding a "task" has the same behavior
[22:50] <tedg> I guess perhaps I should be using "spawned"
[22:50] <xnox> tedg: yeah, that's odd. Probably  a bug in a state transition.
[22:51] <tedg> I don't really care about the pre-start script
[22:51] <xnox> tedg: you shouldn't be using spawned... as that's racy =/
[22:52] <tedg> xnox, racy for what?  I just want to know when there's a PID.
[22:52] <xnox> tedg: the whole job is superflicious.
[22:53] <xnox> tedg: it should be just a single script "script sleep 5; sleep 10; end script"
[22:53] <xnox> tedg: do you have a real example where you are doing this? there is a lot of things that one can cruft, which make no sense.
[22:53] <tedg> Sure, it's a demo.
[22:53] <xnox> tedg: what's the real-world usecase ?
[22:54] <tedg> The case I'm seeing it is in the security confinement tests.
[22:54] <tedg> They test to ensure that the started applications are confined.  But they do so rather quicly.
[22:54] <xnox> tedg: i agree it's a bug, but if it's not a realistic configuration / bad job file we at times don't support this.
[22:54] <tedg> So they're failing.
[22:54] <xnox> tedg: can you point me to them?
[22:55] <tedg> xnox, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing#Running_Security_tests
[22:55] <xnox> tedg: it sounds like racy test-suites. You should be leaving the main process for long enough to inspect it =)
[22:55] <tedg> It inspects the output as the task writes a file.
[22:55] <tedg> The problem is that the application launching code is waiting until the task is started.
[22:55] <xnox> tedg: one shouldn't do that, as that can be cached and not flushed....
[22:56] <xnox> tedg: one should watch for _both_ started and killed. Cause a buggy app can crash on startup, and thus started will not be emitted if it fails to spawn.
[22:56] <tedg> You're welcome to patch the test suite, but I want to solve this race so my code can land first :-)
[22:56] <tedg> We are watching started and killed.
[22:56] <tedg> The problem is that it's stopping without error.
[22:57] <tedg> So we're not flagging that.
[22:57] <xnox> tedg: your code land first => well let me invoke bus factor =)...........  I'm way past my EOW =))))) i'm up for trolling on irc, but i'm not up for writting code ;-)
[22:58] <tedg> Heh
[22:58] <xnox> tedg: i got over-trolled by desktop team today in the office, i want to pay it forward ;-)
[22:58] <tedg> xnox, Teach you to go into the office ;-)
[23:00] <tedg> Okay, need to do dinner.  I'll have to fix this later.
[23:01] <tedg> xnox, Thanks for the pointers!


[00:30] <Micah_> Hello
[00:31] <Micah_> anyone know how to remove/clear a login for a windows shared folder?
[00:32] <Micah_> when connecting for the first time i chose to save the login info...now the password has changed and i cannot access the folder. and can't find anywhere to change or remove that saved login
[00:33] <GridCube> try the gnome-keyring
[00:35] <Micah_> it shows 3 commands i can use
[00:35] <Micah_> certificate-exception           import           version
[00:36] <Micah_> or are you talking about the gui
[00:36] <Micah_> seahorse
[00:36] <gg> ur bad at cs
[00:36] <Micah_> i tried that the passwords are not stored in there
[00:37] <GridCube> you could try that, i just usually delete the ~/.gnome/keyring files and start over, but i guess there are smarter ways of doing it
[00:37] <Micah_> ill try it
[00:37] <GridCube> press ctrl-h on the file manager and search for the .gnome folder
[00:38] <GridCube> find the keyring folder and rename it to something else
[00:38] <GridCube> that should save your old data in case something wron happens (it should not)
[00:38] <gg> how do i play starcraft 1 on ubuntu or brick breaker?
[00:38] <Micah_> the files are gone...still not letting me enter in password
[00:39] <gg> i tried to play on linux but i couldnt find snake or starcraftdinner
[00:39] <GridCube> !ops
[00:39] <gg> lolol
[00:51] <gre> hi
[00:54] <gre> is xubuntu a good alternative for an old computer?
[00:55] <GridCube> it depends on how old
[00:55] <GridCube> if its reaaaally old then no
[00:55] <GridCube> if its relatevely old then probably, if you have 512+ ram you will be fine
[00:56] <gre> a p4 2.4ghz , 1GB RAM
[00:56] <gre> only 40GB HD
[00:56] <GridCube> sure it should work fine there
[00:56] <gre> with a 82865G intel chipset lol :x
[00:57] <GridCube> :) generic video drivers work pretty well with intels
[00:57] <gre> indeed? cool :)
[00:57] <GridCube> mmhm yes
[00:58] <gre> well, so i can download and install the latest xubuntu version
[00:58] <GridCube> my intel classmate works flawlessly with them
[00:58] <GridCube> gre, do your computer can boot from pendrives? and do you have a pendrive?
[00:58] <gre> oh and... is openoffice into it? or koffice? abiword?
[00:58] <GridCube> if you do then you can use unetbootin to install from them
[00:58] <gre> i don't know what a pendrive is
[00:59] <gre> ahhh
[00:59] <SkippersBoss> gre libre office comes as standard :-)
[00:59] <GridCube> an usb data storage
[00:59] <gre> an usb key ?
[00:59] <GridCube> yes
[00:59] <gre> it can
[00:59] <GridCube> SkippersBoss, xubuntu comes with abiword and gnumeric
[00:59] <GridCube> no libreoffice by default
[00:59] <SkippersBoss> auch
[00:59] <SkippersBoss> I stand corrected
[00:59] <GridCube> you can sudo apt-get it in five minutes tho
[00:59] <SkippersBoss> sorry
[01:00] <GridCube> :) no problem
[01:00] <SkippersBoss> miss information in a support channel
[01:00] <gre> but abiword can't export a .doc file to .pdf if i remember well
[01:00] <GridCube> :D not if someone corrects you quickly
[01:00] <gre> :/
[01:00] <GridCube> gre, you dont need to export
[01:00] <GridCube> you can simply print to file and choose pdf
[01:01] <gre> oh ok
[01:01] <GridCube> you can do this with every program not just text editors
[01:01] <SkippersBoss> Hmm, ABI word WILL save to pdf
[01:01] <GridCube> yes, that too
[01:01] <GridCube> but you dont *need* to, you can print to pdf from leafpad
[01:02] <gre> okay
[01:02] <gre> thanks dudes
[01:02] <GridCube> :) no problem
[01:02] <SkippersBoss> yeah but can leafpad open an ms .doc file
[01:02] <SkippersBoss> lol
[01:02] <SkippersBoss> have fun gre
[01:03] <GridCube> :P nope
[01:03] <gre> thank you, same there SkippersBoss :)
[01:03] <SkippersBoss> Justice at last
[01:04] <GridCube> gre, if you are interested on extrafast you should look into lubuntu
[02:08] <davidvj> I am using a boot usb drive to access my system, I need to retrieve my home directory and move it to a backup drive. How do set the permissions?
[02:12] <holstein> !chown
[02:13] <davidvj> I do have some understanding of permissions but since I am on a boot usb I assume that things are going to be quite different
[02:14] <davidvj> will a boot usb allow chown??
[02:36] <holstein> davidvj: i would just move the files i want
[02:36] <holstein> i would chown as needed, if needed
[02:37] <davidvj> I am trying a "sudo dd if=/sda/  ..... of=/sdf/..... " it did not ask for p/w .... not sure if it is running or not
[02:37] <holstein> i would just click and drag.. maybe gksudo whatever filemanager
[02:37] <holstein> sudo dd should work fine
[02:37] <davidvj> It would not let me click and drag ...
[02:38] <holstein> it?... due to permisssions? did you open "it" with gksudo?
[02:38] <davidvj> thanks for the re-assurance on the dd .... lets see what happens
[02:38] <holstein> anyways.. sudo dd should be working fine
[02:39] <davidvj> OK OK should have tried gksudo
[02:40] <davidvj> Thanks for the guidance
[05:32] <v1adimir> hm software center update available apparently
[05:33] <v1adimir> <IP_ADDRESS> to 5.2.3
[05:43] <blackgatonegro1> yup
[07:36] <v1adimir> guys what to use for a (light) desktop system monitor pls?
[07:37] <Sysi> conky
[07:37] <v1adimir> Sysi: wasn't sure if to install it.. 1.8x and 1.9 in Precise, then something else in the lunchpad PPA.. not sure from where/how to install it? :s
[07:39] <Sysi> just install "conky" or "conky-all"
[07:40] <v1adimir> ok, ok, tnx (will do :))
[07:44] <astraljava> v1adimir: You should know that we will never (officially) suggest to install anything from PPAs. :)
[07:46] <v1adimir> right, gotcha
[07:50] <v1adimir> though i wish there were certified PPAs, would make life a lot easier (than having to compile from source)
[07:54] <astraljava> v1adimir: If there were enough resources, that could be handy. But as it is, only the official repositories get support.
[12:13] <skjoedt> How do I simply change the cpu govenor (e.g. from performance to ondemand) in xubuntu?
[12:16] <ablomen> skjoedt, if your hw is supported you can use xfce4-cpufreq-plugin
[12:16] <ablomen> (or just cpufreq from the terminal)
[12:18] <skjoedt> The plugin only seems to display the current policy. Nothing happens when I change it to powersafe
[12:18] <skjoedt> This works fine in gnome2, so my hardware supports it
[12:20] <v1adimir> skjoedt: won't change on my i5-2400 from the default either, can't remember what it was that got it working
[12:21] <v1adimir> im always on 1600MHz lmao
[12:21] <skjoedt> Is it due to permissions? Properly needs sudo
[12:21] <v1adimir> no i had to hax0r something to get it to change modes
[12:22] <v1adimir> it was on another install though :(
[12:24] <skjoedt> The following command works fine (although it requires root privileges)
[12:24] <skjoedt> echo powersave | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[12:26] <skjoedt> Is there a way to safely make the above command work without using sudo?
[12:27] <skjoedt> Perhaps change the privileges of the scaling_governor files somehow?
[12:32] <epzil0n> what about jupiter? I have used it with several distros..
[12:36] <epzil0n> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[12:38] <v1adimir> ^ http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/jupiter-applet-finally-available-for.html
[12:41] <v1adimir> skjoedt: if you have sandy (or ivy), it looks like turbo boost is acting right (no actual evidence to back that up, lol)
[12:41] <Os_Maleus> hi together!
[12:41] <skjoedt> v1adimir, Im on a core duo system at the moment
[12:41] <skjoedt> epzil0n, I'll try it out - thanks
[12:41] <Os_Maleus> does anybody know how dicomscope would be possible to make run?
[12:42] <v1adimir> do you have EFI bios, perhaps it reads it from there and that's why the change isn't available by default (i still can't find what i did)
[12:43] <epzil0n> it works in Xubuntu 12.04 i get 1000.00 MHz in power saving mode and 1667.00 MHz in maximum performance :P
[12:43] <v1adimir> that max is my power-saving :$
[12:44] <v1adimir> man i remember i changed it and i didn't sudo anything.. it was some config file, setting, something
[12:45] <skjoedt> epzil0n, works perfect thanks! Hopefully the video capabilities in Jupiter wont screw up my catalyst settings
[12:45] <epzil0n> skjoedt: nice, well don't use that feature ;)
[12:45] <v1adimir> whatever you do, don't press the red button
[12:45] <epzil0n> lol
[12:46] <v1adimir> :)
[12:47] <skjoedt> thanks guys this is awesome
[12:47] <skjoedt> back to 30 celcius laptop again :)
[12:47] <skjoedt> and btw I got 800 mhz in powersave :)
[12:48] <v1adimir> yea i get your point now
[12:48] <epzil0n> you are welcome :)
[12:48] <epzil0n> sweet
[12:54] <epzil0n> anyone that knows when xfce 4.10 will be in the official repos?
[12:54] <Sysi> for 12.04, never, 12.10 will have it by default
[12:55] <epzil0n> ok, so have to use a PPA then
[12:55] <Sysi> yeah
[13:47] <donmatas> Hi
[13:48] <donmatas> Small questions:
[13:50] <donmatas> The pictures saved in my desktop has only a black sqare as icon and not a minipreview as I us to it. Is anything that I can do to fix this?
[13:50] <donmatas> he pictures saved in my desktop has only a black sqare as icon and not a minipreview as I use to it. Is anything that I can do to fix this?
[13:54] <ochosi> donmatas: what version of xubuntu?
[13:55] <ochosi> donmatas: if it's 12.04, go to desktop-settings > icons > show thumbnails
[13:55] <ochosi> donmatas: if it's <12.04 there's not much you can do...
[13:59] <epzil0n> 9
[14:08] <judgen> Is the there a nightly ppa or something for xubuntu that i can use on precise? I would like to try out the tiling in xfwm4.10
[14:08] <judgen> and i think i only have 4.8 in precise
[14:13] <epzil0n> you can install xfce 4.10 through a ppa, i'm running it now in 12.04 ;)
[14:14] <epzil0n> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install-xfce-410-in-xubuntu-1204.html
[14:14] <epzil0n> works like a charm :)
[14:21] <donmatas> Me again
[14:23] <epzil0n> hi there
[14:25] <donmatas> sorry, I lost my connection
[14:27] <epzil0n> ok
[14:28] <donmatas> I was wondering if is possible to have minipreviews at the desktop
[14:29] <donmatas> do I make myself clear?
[14:35] <donmatas> an other tiny question:
[14:37] <donmatas> How I can customize the icon of a launcher. I only can find the default icons. Where I should put a new image to find it from the "edit launcher section"
[14:42] <Marzata> right click property edit
[14:47] <genii-around> donmatas: If you have something in /home/yourusername/.icons/   it usually looks there
[14:49] <donmatas> Mrzata: I done that buy I only find the default icons and I want to use my own icon...
[14:49] <donmatas> genii-around: thanks I will check if it works
[14:51] <Marzata> donmatas: what?
[14:51] <Marzata> right click the icon
[14:52] <Marzata> Properties, Edit ...
[14:52] <Marzata> then you have an icon to choose
[14:52] <donmatas> GEnii & Mazarta: I find it here: file:///usr/share/pixmaps/whatsapp1.png
[14:53] <donmatas> I mean, I put the image here: file:///usr/share/pixmaps/ and it works
[14:55] <judgen> epzil0n, thank you, but after long  inner deliberation i have decided to leave the LTS route for the more unstable route of alphas. I do not mind reinstalling, and do regular backups so it will probably be fine
[14:55] <judgen> as long as they do not do another grub>grub2
[14:56] <Marzata> donmatas: you can put at any path
[15:00] <donmatas> Mazarta: now I get how... ;)
[15:01] <donmatas> Mazarta: and what about the minipreviews of pictures saved at the desktop. I only see a black sqare...
[15:05] <Marzata> donmatas: you use xubuntu 12.04?
[15:11] <donmatas> YES
[15:11] <donmatas> MARZATA: yes
[15:13] <Marzata> go to Settings / Settings Manager / Desktop / Icons / Show thumbnails
[17:47] <stimoceiver> greetings
[17:49] <stimoceiver> is there a fix for the issue of xfce's "terminal" not recording user entries in utmp ?
[17:51] <blackgatonegro> looking for chromiun web bronswer, I found an insane hard and cool shooter game
[17:52] <holstein> blackgatonegro: its in the repos
[17:52] <blackgatonegro> yup
[17:52] <blackgatonegro> Chromium B.S.U.
[17:54] <holstein> OIC.. you found that game instead.. yeah, i did that the first time as well :)
[17:55] <blackgatonegro> I must say is a great strategy to get your game promoted
[17:56] <blackgatonegro> even at lower speed and difficulty, the game is hard
[17:59] <elfy> stimoceiver: not sure if there's a fix - it's due to be backported apparently - I know it's working in 12.10 now - I checked it yesterday
[18:00] <blackgatonegro> well 12.04 is a LTS, they should eventually fix it
[18:00] <stimoceiver> elfy: actually someone just pointed me to a workaround, comment 3 of bug 864609
[18:00] <elfy> ok - cool - I've not bothered to look at workrounds personally
[18:01] <stimoceiver> its a super simple workaround. apparlty the path is wrong in libvte, solution is to create a symbolic link
[18:01] <stimoceiver> the path to gnome-pty-helper
[18:03] <elfy> :)
[18:03] <elfy> wish I'd seen that when I first noticed the issue in 11.10 - but heyho
[18:04] <blackgatonegro> by the way, how come even ubuntu has its own terminal emulator? Wont be simpler to have the same terminal emulator to all ubuntu distros?
[18:05] <blackgatonegro> just asking
[21:29] <Voverius> DinuX, gyvas?
[22:09] <xubuntu522> hi friends
[22:10] <xubuntu522> soyaaaaaaaaaa
[23:16] <ShamanBrahman> Hello I'm unable to vew my flash drive within the filesystem browser
[23:16] <ShamanBrahman> view*
[23:16] <holstein> USB flash drive?
[23:16] <bazhang> !crosspost | ShamanBrahman
[23:16] <ShamanBrahman> Before this issue began I was changing the format on it and creating a bootable Windows 7 flash drive
[23:16] <ShamanBrahman> Sorry I moved here because I realized I was in the way
[23:17] <ShamanBrahman> I'm running xubuntu and they are using ubuntu
[23:17] <ShamanBrahman> So I decided my question would be better resolved in this channel
[23:17] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[23:17] <ShamanBrahman> Yes but I belong here
[23:18] <holstein> you can open something like gparted, and see if you see the USB stick.. you can open a terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l"
[23:18] <ShamanBrahman> Yes it's visible in gparted
[23:18] <holstein> ShamanBrahman: you can get help for you question in #ubuntu if you like
[23:18] <ShamanBrahman> but I'm unable to make any changes on it because I can't mount it
[23:18] <holstein> !mount
[23:18] <ShamanBrahman> Alright
[23:19] <ShamanBrahman> The flash drive was working fine until I reformated it and used Unetbootin to create it as a bootable Win7 installer
[23:20] <ShamanBrahman> but it's obvious that something went wrong because it can't be booted or recognized on my xubuntu
[23:20] <holstein> i would just reformat it in gparted, or take it back to win7, and format it if you are more comfortable there
[23:21] <ShamanBrahman> My Win7 machine is currently un-useable
[23:21] <ShamanBrahman> If I had access to a windows machine I probably would have already resolved my issue
[23:21] <holstein> interesting.. you think its corrupted? you think it could have corrupted your USB stick?
[23:21] <ShamanBrahman> I don't mind doing it in xubuntu though because it's a bit of a learning experience
[23:22] <ShamanBrahman> I don't think it's corrupted to be honest
[23:22] <ShamanBrahman> I guess what I'm looking for is  "magical" terminal command that will change the USB into a state where it can be recognized
[23:22] <holstein> have you mounted via the command line from the link above?
[23:23] <ShamanBrahman> I'll see how that goes now and let you know
[23:27] <ShamanBrahman> alright so I did mount and it requested that I specify the filesystem
[23:28] <ShamanBrahman> The issue with that is that gparted claims the filesystem is "unallocated"
[23:28] <holstein> yup...  the mount command will want that.. the link above will tell you how to mount different filesystems
[23:29] <ShamanBrahman> Yeah
[23:29] <ShamanBrahman> But I have no idea what file system is on here
[23:29] <holstein> if theres nothing but a live CD on there, i would just try reformatting in gparted.. i could imagine a scenario where something happened on the windows side
[23:29] <ShamanBrahman> I'm thinking it's ntfs but then why would gparted say unallocated
[23:29] <ShamanBrahman> I installed a thing that was supposed to make gparted recognize ntfs
[23:30] <holstein> i think its "unallocated" because it is... i think there was an issue formatting the device last time
[23:30] <holstein> you could elaborate about the "thing", but it should be fat formatted from unet
[23:30] <ShamanBrahman> I don't remember I was following a guide sorry that doesn't help
[23:31] <ShamanBrahman> I don't even care about the image on here
[23:31] <ShamanBrahman> I just want it to be switched into whatever format will allow me to use it
[23:31] <ShamanBrahman> and gparted doesn't allow me any actions with the USB device they are greyed out
[23:31] <holstein> ShamanBrahman: i would use gparted to format it
[23:31] <holstein> ShamanBrahman: you can unmount it
[23:32] <ShamanBrahman> I'm almost certain it isn't mounted right now
[23:32] <ShamanBrahman> because I can't browse the folders and the filesystem won't recognize that it's plugged in
[23:32] <holstein> maybe relaunch gparted... make sure its launch as root
[23:32] <holstein> launched
[23:32] <holstein> then, just for giggles.. right click and unmount the "partitions" or whatever you find in gparted
[23:34] <ShamanBrahman> gparted recognizes that it's plugged into the computer but I don't have options to do things like that with the drive
[23:34] <ShamanBrahman> If I could right click and format it I would have already done that
[23:34] <holstein> ShamanBrahman: feel free to take some screenshots... or try loading a live CD and looking at the device
[23:35] <holstein> theres nothing preventing gparted from formatting as long as its running as root, and the device isnt mounted
[23:35] <ShamanBrahman> I feel as if the device has basically "gone retard"
[23:35] <ShamanBrahman> but I can't fathom it being corrupted
[23:35] <ShamanBrahman> What kind of formatting utility would brick a flash drive
[23:36] <ShamanBrahman> I'll show you a screenshot of it being recognized in gparted with no options
[23:36] <holstein> not sure what you used in win7
[23:37] <ShamanBrahman> Alright if you're willing I think we should pursue the root of this issue differently
[23:37] <ShamanBrahman> I'll explain what I'm doing
[23:37] <holstein> when you see the list.. /dev/sda or whatever, right click there, and unmount
[23:37] <ShamanBrahman> and why the flash drive is even relevant
[23:38] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267869 expains a bit about doing it from the command line
[23:41] <ShamanBrahman> I'll look into the link
[23:41] <ShamanBrahman> but here is a screenshot of gparted and the device
[23:41] <ShamanBrahman> http://i.imgur.com/68d7m.png
[23:42] <ShamanBrahman> as you can see all options are greyed out
[23:42] <ShamanBrahman> I can't just format it and be on my way
[23:42] <holstein> right click on "unallocated" and take a screenie if you cant unmount it
[23:42] <ShamanBrahman> I'll need to pull some gypsy shit
[23:42] <holstein> there are no partitions
[23:42] <bazhang> ShamanBrahman, no cursing here
[23:43] <ShamanBrahman> sorry
[23:43] <holstein> i would right-click.. choose "unmount"
[23:43] <holstein> i would then right-click, and make a partition.. a fat32 or ext one.. i would hit "apply" and "format" it
[23:44] <ShamanBrahman> I would give you a screenshot of me right clicking on that big "unallocated bar" and all the options being greyed out
[23:44] <ShamanBrahman> but I'm unable to take a screenshot while right clicked
[23:44] <holstein> theres a red exclamation mark.. whats that about?
[23:44] <ShamanBrahman> a problem
[23:45] <holstein> i would literally start from scratch.. i would just wipe the table and everything.. start over
[23:45] <ShamanBrahman> warning: unrecognised disk label"
[23:45] <ShamanBrahman> it's just a flash drive and I don't care about what's on it
[23:45] <holstein> right... i would nuke that and everything else.. and start over and reformat it
[23:46] <ShamanBrahman> How would I go about doing that if gparted doesn't give me the option
[23:46] <ShamanBrahman> Is there a command that wills how me all plugged in storage devices
[23:46] <holstein> its under the "device" menu...
[23:46] <holstein> "create partition table"
[23:47] <ShamanBrahman> oh lawdy
[23:47] <ShamanBrahman> I think this might actually do it
[23:47] <holstein> right.. blow that out.. make a partition, hit apply, and that will "reformat" it
[23:48] <ShamanBrahman> Nice that worked
[23:49] <ShamanBrahman> Alrigh well now that I have a working flash drive again I'll resume putting a windows installer on it
[23:49] <ShamanBrahman> and if xubuntu gives me more issues I'll let you know
[23:49] <holstein> a windows installer?
[23:49] <ShamanBrahman> Yeah I'm working on my xubuntu laptop
[23:50] <ShamanBrahman> fixing my desktop
[23:50] <holstein> you want a xubuntu live CD?
[23:50] <holstein> live USB?
[23:50] <ShamanBrahman> I would put xubuntu on that computer but it's a gaming rig
[23:50] <ShamanBrahman> so I need my Windows for dem vidya games
[23:50] <holstein> sure... its your machine... put what you like on it
[23:50] <ShamanBrahman> I need a software that does a good job mounting a bootable image
[23:51] <holstein> mounting a bootable image?
[23:51] <ShamanBrahman> I used brasero to burn a DVD when the flash drive messed up and that disk won't make it through the installation
[23:51] <holstein> it should just show up
[23:51] <holstein> you should be able to explore or extract iso's or whatever
[23:52] <ShamanBrahman> Unetbootin should do it
[23:52] <ShamanBrahman> or corrupt my flash drive again
[23:52] <ShamanBrahman> I'll find out in a second
[23:52] <holstein> enjoy!
[23:52] <ShamanBrahman> Yes thanks for all the help


 Is 16.04 stable enough to use as a daily driver yet? I don't mind bugs as long as the core functionality (texting, calling, WiFi, Bluetooth) is stable.
 @sayedibnmasud, Welcome, Sayed! Check out this link to get you started! https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 Depends what device and you dont know when things will break
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Nexus 5
 I'd like to contribute some bug reports but I only have one phone
 In that case, I'd recommend you wait until a stable release is rolled
 last time I tried it things mostly worked but I didn't test cellular
 but most non-included apps didn't work and yeah
 if it's your daily driver not the best idea
 Alright, thank you!
 Open store still doesn't work, nore telegram, and a couple of days ago an update made it so we had to reflash the phone so itd boot
 sorry
 :(
 But hopefully it shouldnt be to long, some apps just nerd a recompile to work on 16.04
[06:11] <ubptgbot> rober was added by: rober
 is it normal that in xenial, kernel spits everything to syslog?
 @dohbee, ohw come on the compose key does a good job :^3
 resolving that issue that is lol
 @rober, Welcome Roberto! Take a look at this link to get you started: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
[07:15] <ubptgbot> dad_and_alive was added by: dad_and_alive
 Joe and Wayne have triggered my conscience in the latest audiocast. I realize I have been 'lurking' for too long now, and I would want to somehow move up to the 'contributer' category. What would be a good place to start contributing?
 @dad_and_alive, What are your skills?
 Good question. I have some programming, analysis and PM experience, but wouldn't dare to call me an expert in any of those domains. And in any case, I have -alas- near to no C++ experience and no QML experience at all.  I do consider myself to have a fairly good eye for detail and I like troubleshooting and code analysis. And
[07:51] <ubptgbot> my English is OK. Maybe I can somehow apply these high-level skills to the project's benefit, while meanwhile getting a grip on the code and coding procedures/techniques?
[08:00] <ubptgbot> nandanrmenon was added by: nandanrmenon
 Hello
 @dad_and_alive, Hmm the usual path would be then to start with bug confirmation / QA quality improvements maybe?
 @Flohack, Sounds great to me. I guess I could indeed start going through the list of hammerhead (my device, as daily driver) bugs.
 Yes and look for the one with "needs confirmation" first. We got a lot of unconfirmed bugs that we need to get on :)
 OK, will do. Thanks for the advice!
 @nandanrmenon, Hi Nandan, check out this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @Stereofont, Please, it is not clear to me. U mean there is Ubports Africa group?
 @AmolithSeregion, thanks
 @sbjabire, Hi, it means we are testing the waters to see if there is enough people, and interest, to form a group/s
[09:45] <ubptgbot> Manu K Nath was added by: Manu K Nath
 @advocatux, 9ce idea👍🏼
 @Manu K Nath, Hi Manu, go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @sbjabire, We already have an Arabic group
[11:52] <ubptgbot> Masterjaguar was added by: Masterjaguar
 @Masterjaguar, Hi Master Jaguar, you can go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Is there another solution without switch to devel? The problem is this https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/376
 Hi @Giampy_DAntonio AFAIK the only solution for now is to switch to devel channel and then to stable again
 @advocatux, ok, thanks!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9SJLX8t8.webp
 [Edit] Hi @Giampy_DAntonio AFAIK the only solution for now is to switch to devel channel and then back to stable again
 @Giampy_DAntonio, I don't know anything about this but as far as I understand flashing the whole image would fix it too
[12:58] <ubptgbot> Rasmus was added by: Rasmus
 @unknown, I solved it switching to devel and after to stable!!!
 @Stereofont, That's great👍🏼
 @Giampy_DAntonio, would switch to devel from stable wipe the phone up?
 @c4trololo, No
 @Rasmus, Hi Rasmus, see this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Flohack, ok thanks sir im still learning about UT and hopefully about Linux itself. because in android if we switch rom build we have to wipe
 What is the status of Unity8 on the desktop? I know it's not a daily driver & needs a mir update to support Wayland apps but I mean for development. I would be interested in userland/qml stuff but I am far from fluent in C++/low level graph stack.
 @c4trololo, In Italia diciamo:"Questo è Ubuntu, non pizza e fichi di Canicattì!". … In Italy we said:"This is Ubuntu, not pizza and figs of Canicattì!". (Canicattì is a little town in Italy)
 @Rasmus, This is the last info from @alan_griffiths https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1023/no-more-mir-egl-on-1804lts-bionic
 I have seen that and WebDrakes ongoing Mir work. But I can't figure out if trying to get it running right now is feasible or if it's just a waist of time until that work is merged
 [Edit] I have seen that and WebDrakes ongoing Mir work. But I can't figure out if trying to get it running right now is feasible or if it's just a waste of time until that work is merged
 It works under 16.04 I believe..
 New telegram app update since yesterday!
 I got 128 downloads right now, cmon peopel you can do better
 [Edit] I got 128 downloads right now, cmon people you can do better
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0qZsV95A.webp
 lol
 😄😄😄
 @Rasmus, If you don't use qt based apps from the Ubuntu archive, then it will run on 16.04. But for 18.04 it doesn't hang together. The various parts can likely be run in isolation, but need to be "wired up" in a new configuration. … It is experimental though, don't try it on your main system.
 @Flohack, 129 :P
 Thx. Also I got 2 irritating reports about no msgs being shown, and constant loss of connection, plz confirm if you encounter this
 works fine for now
 Thanks for the update @Flohack  :)
 np welcome ;)
 Right now for me all OK. Well, always somethig to improve. But, whit the notifications run well all rest is enought for me.  :D
 @Flohack, Yay!
 @Flohack, Oh
 @Flohack, It possible happens... I mean, when you change form wifi to data phone whit Telegram run, sometimes this not can be get data interntet... the fast solution is close telegram. And on/off data phone and/or on/off wifi. I think is a issue whit net api in general.
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 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Well the reports are that the device constantly looses connection when coming out of sleep, and that supergroups show no messages anymore sometimes. However, I tested myself and with some other people, we did not nitce that
 @alan_griffiths, Thanks! I will get a VM with 16.04 then  and try tp get ot running
 Not noticing any problems here @Flohack
 Did you change some visual things? Something looks different to me, bit I can’t put my finger on it
 [Edit] Did you change some visual things? Something looks different to me, but I can’t put my finger on it
 *reads release notes* ah.
 Still go gif support though, or is that a feature? 😏
 @YougoChats, 👌🏼
 [Edit] Still no gif support though, or is that a feature? 😏
 Well: Gifs, more options control groups, hooked messenges, filters search, general search, phone call... This stuff is missing... but not essential to day by day, at last for me XD Maybe right now, whit the official API library support by Telegram in future version can see something of this :D
 Kids these days communicate solely through GIF
 Emoticons are so 2010
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/ElByCXGp.png
 Listening to @neothethird at Chemnitzer Linux Days
 Is the event being recorded? 🎥
 I don't know, but it's in German anyways
 I'm German and your photo looks really interesting to me
 I'll ask afterwards
 Thank you - would be great
 ooh, dropping the bomb in front of the audience
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/ITspMTHG.png
 I wish I could be there 🤩
 @YougoChats, Gif support is unfortunately bound to the api. We are too low still ;)
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, What are hooked msgs?
 @peternerlich, If not: please ask if he could publish his slides 🙃
 @Flohack, In Goups no?
 I dont understand hooked xD
 Sorry. Anchored
 Ahh pinned xD
 This! XD
 LOL
 @alan_griffiths, We'll unity8 will still run ok on 16.04, but at apps from Ubuntu archive might not. You can even install clicks on 16.04 x86.
 @sbjabire, http://t.me/UBports_Arabic
 @unknown, yes, it will be uploaded sometime in the next >2 days and will be found via some small icon that is to appear on https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2018/en/programm/beitrag/289 or the program overview
 Thank you :-)
 @alan_griffiths, [Edit] Well unity8 will still run ok on 16.04, but at apps from Ubuntu archive might not. You can even install clicks on 16.04 x86.
 @unknown, 👍
[15:28] <ubptgbot> Saikol was added by: Saikol
 Good how ubuntu touch could adapt my device to someone can guide me what should I learn or where to start please?
 @Saikol, Hi Saikol, read this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed … There's a Spanish group too https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jPvL8Ohg.webp
 Welcome Saikol, not beeing sure what you are exactly asking for, if you want to install ubuntu touch on your device you should look at https://ubports.com/ - you will find a list of devices which work. Also there is the Ubuntu Touch Q&A channel, you will find the link there - this was very helpful for me at the start !
 test
 Ok works. NOw need to release a minor update meh 😆
 It happens in the best families 🙄
 So did you test?
[16:03] <ginggs> Hi! I have an Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition device, still with Ubuntu 15.04 (OTA-15). What can I install on it?
 @ginggs, First you need to switch to our version of UT
 The other one is no longer supported
[16:15] <ginggs> is it possible to change repositories, or do I need to flash the device?
 Nice! Finally another Telegram update, and it's looking good! Still missing the memberlist for Supergroups and the @gif Giphy search and gif support. Good job and thanks to thosr responsible!
[16:20] <ubptgbot> FreeGarlicBread was added by: FreeGarlicBread
 @ginggs, You can use the UBports Installer to install Ubuntu Touch on it
 @ginggs, You need to flash the device, but you don't necessarily need to wipe the phone in the process. If you have developer mode enabled and can see the phone with adb from your PC, you should be able to just flash with the ubports-installer to the new version
 @FreeGarlicBread, Hi Bread, go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Flohack, I haven't had any problem with Telegram v<IP_ADDRESS> Running now v<IP_ADDRESS> in both my phones
 Is it okay to speak of Librem 5 here?
 in what sense?
 Well just talking about the future of GNU/Linux on mobile overall?
 [Edit] Well just talking about the future of GNU/Linux on mobile overall.
 Well right now it's still a concept phone, but I suppose so
 Maybe in the OT channel?
 If you're looking to talk about philisophical kind of stuff, we have an offtopic gro— yeah, that
 @UniversalSuperBox, Can I have a link to that?
 oh my the ubuntu-push code is confusing, when you actually try to look at it
 @FreeGarlicBread, @ubports_ot
[16:49] <ginggs> @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox thanks! i used UBports Installer, all done!
 with the new telegram update, what does blue means in the messages I sent?
 Sent but not read
 it's still blue 😅
 I exited this chat and returned but still the same...what's the requirement for it to be tagged as read?
 No, read by others. Plus the problem is, in channels and supergorups its not reliable
 Its the same like before with the checkmarks, but there it was not so obvious
 it's not using the one/two checkmarks for that?
 oh I see.....TBH I like blue than green 😁
 @popescu_sorin you owe me something, my last message on feb 27 is still blue...read it! 😝
 @dohbee, it's new in the latest update
 @Javacookies, i gathered that. but i think it should use the checkmarks for consistency with web/android/ios/official qt apps
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 @dohbee, We made an experiment ;)
 Feedback was good
 I like it, no need to be consistent with the official one as long as it's a better experience
 yep
 @Flohack, It means read by 'someone' in a group, so not especially useful 😊
 can I just use blue for everything? it's more pleasant to my eyes LOL
 @Stereofont, Yeah but this is Telegrams paradigma
 @Javacookies, LOL
[17:50] <ginggs> I did lose my Gmail client and didn't find it in the store, what is recommended for email?
 Dekko2
[17:51] <ginggs> @Stereofont thanks
 Dekko2 is doing great for me though still complete
 If using Gmail you need to authorise Dekko in the Google settings
 *not
 the gmail thing was just a webapp
 it should still be installed though
 maybe it was using an old framework? but i don't think any frameworks were removed since the last canonical images
 weird
 I remember someone saying you can turn on "secured apps only" in google and still work in Dekko, anyone tried that?
 @Javacookies, i guess you'd have to create an app password for gmail then
 or is it using oauth?
 I always get emails about someone having my password whenever I open Dekko 😅
 hmmm, so you can do that in gmail? separate password per app?
 @Javacookies, You allow allegedly 'less secure apps' or select Dekko from a list. Something like that. In the Gmail account, not in Dekko settings
 @Flohack, If your message is for someone (with @), may you know if he has read it?
 @Cesar_Herrera, Nope
 @Cesar_Herrera, In a PM, yes. In a group chat, no.
 Thanks
 Ok I need to make a 2nd patch for Telegram today. some obscure connection issues appeared 😆
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/SfEkFr6s.png
 @Flohack, If I have eliminated the push client with "stop ubuntu-push-client" and start the Telegram app, after 4 seconds it appears all the icons of supergroups in violet colour althow it is wifi or data activated. It i imposible entering the supergroups. You can enter them with WebTelegram.
 the push client has nothing to do with this
 New version in a few minutes, plz update
 Thanks
 Third time's is a charm 🤞
 @Flohack, Whith <IP_ADDRESS> I have the same problem.
 hmm no idea
 In the worst case plz reset your config folder
 A cache problem?
 Maybe the database index creation has side effects no idea
 No I modified the sqlite db also in this release
 But should not be a problem rly
 I have the new version running in my two phones and so far, so good
 Yes except that some users got an invalid IP cached in the local setup, and that combined with my new network reconnection thread kills your connection every 2nd or 3rd time you wake up from sleep lol
 @Flohack, I deleted it with Tweak Tool, and the same. I don't know how am I the only one with this problem.
 yes me neither ;)
 After deleting config and/or cache you have to reboot your phone
 hmm in any case plz trry to give me a log file with the logviewer upload to pastebin
 @advocatux, yes and reboot.
 👍
[19:37] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> @dohbee, Isn't this only possible if a x86 click exists? I thought at least 99% in the openstore are ARM only?
 @demokrit atomos, No. Most are pure qml or just webapps, which work on any architecture (where unity8 stack can run). True you can't install the clicks that are only built for ARM, but many others can be installed just fine
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Cool thx for the clarification!
 you'll have to build open store from source, as the click for it is ARM only right now; but you can download click files using firefox for example, and then just run `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foo.click` to install them
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Hm, i have tried a little bit of this a few months ago but with yunit atop of 16.04 not woth the ubports unity 8 stuff and it did not work as intended... (i think there is some post in the forum were i described my hacking) however i allways just built locally without taking the "detour" of click packages and i think this sh
[19:45] <ubptgbot> ould improve system integration right?
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> One last question about this, then you have uour peace again ;-p should i use clickable to built x86 clicks that i want to try on say a x86 tablet or what tool would you recommend? (Dont know whether clickable supports building for non-ARM...)
 It does. Simply use `clickable --desktop`
 It will build an amd64 click, if the manifest.json supports it as well
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Great thanks again!!
 @demokrit atomos, well click packages aren't a detour, they're they correct way to install apps for unity8. compiling locally doesn't provide better system, no.
 @Javacookies, i haz no message from 27, last is on 26 and i;m telegram desktop :P
 Thanks Florian for new telegram versión
 hmm still fighting issues with it, praise me later lol
 Lol lol lol lol
 More
 ?
 DUnno yet. I got a few but severe reports about different symptoms
 Seems okay on FP2
 Ok in bq. E4.5
 What is this
 @kutlay1653, It is premature 😄
 😊
 Just a thank you
 @Flohack not sure it is linked to the update, but secret chat is acting weird: after creatinh a new secret chat, and sending some messages to myself from the other party, I get notifications of new messages, but when I open the secret chat only the message 'waiting for user to appear online' is shown.
 @Cesar_Herrera has still issues
 @dad_and_alive, Secret chat is broken since long time. Not compatible with Android & iOS anymolre. Could work sometimes between UT however ;)
 @dohbee, this I like
 @Flohack Ok, thanks.  That's a pity, I guess. Fyi, the other client was Windows 10 mobile
 @dad_and_alive, We are behind the protocol. It was never updated and soon broken after 06/2016 or so.
 @Flohack ... well, then Windows 10 must have had the same protocol lag, because UT-Windows secret communication was still working fine until 1 to 2 months ago (don't remember exact last usage date). Thanks for the info!
 Hey, folks! … Just created a group for Unity8, if anyone's interested … https://t.me/joinchat/FrN-Hg_6_rVeZzZmgfBOjA
 There already is one
 @ubports_unity
 [Edit] @ubports_unity8
[21:13] <ubptgbot> Nachhilfe was added by: Nachhilfe
 oh, didnt know. ignore it, then
 Is this UBports group only in english, or does there exist a german one?
 @UBports_DEUTSCH
 oh, danke :)
[21:21] <opendata> Is there any progress on an Oreo halium
[21:22] <opendata> (that can work with ubports)
 @opendata, Maybe ask in the halium group xD
[21:32] <opendata> I have
[21:32] <opendata> Just asking here aswell
[21:34] <opendata> I need it for stuff to work with drm_hwcomposer, gbm_gralloc and mesa
 Hello, is there a master / secure way to backup all data and OS of my BQ Aquaris E5 ? I would like to install Android 👎 - temporarily - need to use it for work in two weeks. After that I would like to reinstall Ubuntu Touch  — Well I have done this before, but had to reinstall all and data was lost.
 @C_Chat, You need to backup 2 folders in recovery
 Thank You, will give it a try.
 @UniversalSuperBox  What's the meaning of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  ?
 hello, is there any proper app for playing audio files on ubuntu touch? I was looking through open store but they are all for streaming and radios.. the original music app stopped functioning and then could not locate it in the open store anymore.. I really made use of this one.. Thanks for any tips;)
 @Cesar_Herrera, It us a shrug. 'Dunno'
 @Cesar_Herrera, [Edit] It is a shrug. 'Dunno'
 @Stereofont, Sorry but I don't get it. Perhaps my age.
[22:12] <opendata> It really would be better if I could just skip hallum
 Eyes, face, hands
 @Stereofont, Thanks.
[22:13] <opendata> But according to a guy that isn't possible
 If you built your own rootfs, maybe it'd kinda work
 But that's not tested yet, sorry
[22:16] <opendata> Pretty sure he said the system relied really heavily onnit
[22:16] <opendata> His nick began with d
[22:16] <opendata> That's all I can remember
[22:17] <opendata> Here
 @opendata, The ubuntu phone builds are pretty heavily dependent on going through the Android HAL to talk to hardware. There's currently no way to build the stack in a way that works reasonably well both with hybris and without, afaik
[22:20] <opendata> Hmm
[22:20] <opendata> I have a working alarm
[22:20] <opendata> Are there ubports packages for that
 Right, you would need a separate build
 Whole separate rootfs
 The ubports repo seems to miss several packages needed to install unity8 on desktop Xenial, for example qtbase-abi-5-9-0 and unity-application-impl-22
 Hmm, there seems to be very different packages for i386 and amd64. Is only one supported? And if so, which one?
 Only amd64 is supported
 It's amd64 I'm using so then it is not that
 Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work. qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artuful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work. qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work_ qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work? qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 @Rasmus, qt 5.9 is provided by the ubports repo, and i think that is a virtual package
 @opendata> <dohbee, right, you'd need to rebuild a bunch of stuff using your own packaging repository, and probably patch a bunch of stuff as well, to not use the hybris android bits
 because all that is pre-selected in the ARM builds now
 even the x86 packages don't currently get rid of libhybris entirely
[23:08] <opendata> Hmm
 the right fix would be to make everything runtime selectable
[23:09] <opendata> Would that be easier than porting halium to o
 i have no idea
 Ah, qtbase-abi-5-9-0 isn't provided at all though neither in xenial nor in xenial_-_mir26
 qtbase-abi-5-9-2 seems to be provided though
 i guess something needs rebuilt then
 qtbase-abi-5-9-0 is actually provided by an older version of libqt5core5a but installing that version manually does not help as other packages needs the newer version. Seems like some packages have been upgraded but others not
 Oh it seems to be xenial_-_mir26 that is not up to speed with xenial
 yeah you shouldn't use the mir26 repo
 The install script does add it though
 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/master/install.sh
 hmm
 Fwd from advocatux: @Stereofont another bug report with the same file. This is 39 minutes old only. Something is wrong with the file server probably … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/126
 The third one of these, using the installer
 @Stereofont, that is the installer using the wrong path separator
 pool/
 ?
 yes the `/` characters in there need to be `\` on windows
 it's not fixing up the path to use the right separators
 Learn something new every day 😎


[17:25] <Sails> Hi!
[17:26] <Sails> i have a routing setup that i would like to configure with netplan. In particular i am struggling with this command:
[17:26] <Sails> ip route add $net dev $if proto static src $ip table $table
[17:26] <Sails> what is the netplan equivalent?
[17:26] <Sails> i cannot put it into a "routes:" block because there is no "via"
[17:27] <Sails> when i put it into a "routing-policy:" block it will appear under "ip rule show" but not under "ip route show table $table"
[17:36] <Sails> Is this something that came with netplan 0.104? because I'm using 0.99