[12:00] <king_arthur> tux_: suprnova down? that's bad news
[12:00] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  Such as https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JUSNAnalysis  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ProactiveSecurity  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4374
[12:00] <speel> yep but exeem is in the workings
[12:00] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: aha
[12:00] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: I just read some of those pages a few minutes ago :)
[12:01] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  There have been people working on security hardening Gentoo.  Those efforts are also being focused on Debian by another project.  They're also targetting Ubuntu
[12:01] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I'm very interested in this stuff, so I've been watching them :)
[12:01] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: I'm interested in selinux integration work
[12:02] <|QuaD-> selinux integration?
[12:02] <|QuaD-> i thiunk i came in mid conversation
[12:02] <gen> cocks
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I'm not really much interested in an enterprise-class SELinux policy, but I'm not opposed to it if it's done well enough that it doesn't put 5 more layers of visible cruft in front of the user
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I think if there is an SELinux policy, there should at least be an option to give sysadmin_t role automagically if you su or login to root; of course, strictly speaking, this may not be the best idea (I am not an access control expert though).  I'm very lazy though :)
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> I don't want to talk about access control; I have no experience with SE/GR/RSBAC/LIDS, nor formal training, so I have nothing interesting and insightful to offer.
[12:04] <ajmitch_> even the strict policy allows direct transition to sysadm_t on login by root
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> interesting.
[12:04] <ajmitch_> getting that working with sudo, su is more fun
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  SE-X?
[12:04] <speel> damn i cant login to the ubuntu site
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> speel:  nor I
[12:05] <ajmitch_> fedora core 3 has a targetted policy that just limits certain daemons
[12:05] <speel> i forgot my pw and for some reason it times out when i try to reset it
[12:05] <ajmitch_> SE-X is being worked on, afaik
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  interesting
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I'm fairly certain that the most painful is going to be getting PaX integrated :)
[12:06] <ajmitch_> if PaX is selected as the way to go
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> it's easy enough, except it's ubiquitous and will break incompatible third party software
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> of course, the breakage rate is very very low
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> but it happens
[12:06] <ajmitch_> but certain things like JVMs can hiccup on PaX :)
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> yes
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  easy enough to fix with chpax (or paxctl if they have PT_PAX_FLAGS in them; pipacs said he could wire up paxctl to clobber the PT_GNU_STACK marking and alter the ELF header to change it to PT_PAX_FLAGS, since PT_GNU_STACK is useless under PaX)
[12:07] <gpled> i am trying to learn more about ubuntu.  looking at inittab, it looks to me, that ubuntu starts at runlevel 2.  is that correct?
[12:08] <tomchuk> gpled: yup
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  the problem is that some things that break under PaX are outside ubuntu's main distribution.
[12:08] <ajmitch_> yup
[12:08] <ajmitch_> and if they work on other distros, people will blame ubuntu
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> Personally I think that since so few things actually have problems with PaX, that it'd be more rewarding to just enable full pax, hardmode, mark what breaks in Ubuntu's world, fix what you can, and let third party developers handle their own sih.t
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> We're talking something liek 20 out of several thousand packages
[12:09] <ajmitch_> yeah
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I actually wrote to the Kaffe list and told them how to do a JVM functional under full PaX :)
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2004-October/099938.html  There it is.
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I think the first concern is going to be SSP though, not PaX.  You read the USN analysis I did, right?  40% of bugs (NOT including kernel bugs) were buffer overflows
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> err, 40% of *exploitable* bugs :)
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> . . . 40% of USNs involved exploitable bugs based in buffer overflows.  THERE.
[12:13] <ACID|net> whats PaX?
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> ACID|net:  proper handling of the NX bit, and emulation of the NX bit on x86
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaX
[12:14] <Cyberjames> ubuntu livecd rocks
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> yes, very much  ;)
[12:15] <ACID|net> ahh, thats why i aint hard of it :)
[12:15] <ACID|net> *heard
[12:16] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: yes, I just watched on irc an online talk by a hardened debian developer
[12:16] <ajmitch_> he was talking about these various things
[12:19] <ACID|net> hhmmm, too many machines on,  got this one, laptop and ubuntu one
[12:19] <ajmitch_> you call that too many? :)
[12:20] <ACID|net> for me yeah ;)
[12:20] <ACID|net> i usually only have this one
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  yeah, trulux?
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> he's the guy doing all the work :)
[12:23] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: yep :)
[12:24] <Pozac> ACID|net, you can. It's free, and not so hard.
[12:24] <andrew_> hello
[12:25] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: I might end up helping out, at the moment I just use a bit of selinux stuff on debian sid
[12:25] <usual> I am using a livecd to try and reinstall grub on my disk hda, I am getting errors like "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[12:26] <andrew_> Can anyone answer me why on Ubuntu I can not run the resolution of 1280x1024?
[12:26] <tux_> andrew_, i missed the discussion... what system are you running it on?
[12:26] <|QuaD-> andrew_: are you sure your card is capable of it
[12:27] <ACID|net> usual: http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm
[12:27] <ACID|net> look at that
[12:27] <ACID|net> and check your doing it right
[12:27] <andrew_> yes
[12:27] <andrew_> very sure. I'm running an ATI 9600 XT
[12:28] <andrew_> in Windows and before I updated it worked.
[12:28] <|QuaD-> andrew_: did you configure your xfree config file right?
[12:28] <andrew_> I should have.
[12:29] <|QuaD-> andrew_: post it online somewhere
[12:29] <tux_> sorry about that...
[12:29] <tux_> closed my tray app
[12:29] <andrew_> I'll upload it...
[12:29] <miausX> hi! :)
[12:29] <Pozac> ehlo :)
[12:29] <miausX> hiiii Pozac ! :D
[12:30] <lexhider> andrew_: I installed a machine with that card, on setup I was given a list of resolution to select/deselect. 1024x768 was selected by default but 1280x1024 wasn't and I had to manually select it.
[12:30] <andrew_> That's not the problem
[12:30] <Pozac> re miausX :)
[12:30] <andrew_> I can't even select it.
[12:30] <|QuaD-> andrew_: where is your config file
[12:31] <andrew_> I have the choices of 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768.
[12:31] <Pozac> Refresh rate set too high?
[12:31] <miausX> anybody uses screen?
[12:31] <andrew_> Hold on, |QuaD-.
[12:31] <Pozac> what monitor?
[12:31] <crimsun> miausX: of course :)
[12:31] <andrew_> http://fast.filespace.org/fenris/XF86Config-4
[12:31] <Pozac> miausX, everybody uses screen
[12:31] <andrew_> The monitor supports 1280x1024.
[12:31] <|QuaD-> i LOVE screen
[12:31] <miausX> crimsun: do you know something about a status bar? :D
[12:31] <siimo> anyone know how long warty will be supported? like security updates etc
[12:31] <miausX> me too :D
[12:31] <crimsun> siimo: 18 months.
[12:31] <crimsun> siimo: says on the web site.
[12:32] <ACID|net> crimsun: Is that after hoary or after relase?
[12:32] <crimsun> ACID|net: come again?
[12:32] <crimsun> siimo: sorry, clarification: "at least" 18 months.
[12:32] <|QuaD-> andrew_: looks good to me
[12:32] <|QuaD-> did you check your logs
[12:32] <|QuaD-> ?
[12:33] <andrew_> meaning?
[12:33] <ACID|net> 18 months after the next release or after warty's release
[12:33] <miausX> put this in your .screenrc:
[12:33] <siimo> ok thanks
[12:33] <miausX> hardstatus on
[12:33] <miausX> hardstatus alwayslastline
[12:33] <miausX> hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %m/%d %C%a "
[12:33] <|QuaD-> andrew_: your xfree logs, see if they have any hints
[12:33] <miausX> and enjoy :D
[12:33] <crimsun> ACID|net: 18 months following the october 2004 release of warty
[12:33] <andrew_> OK.
[12:34] <miausX> ufff... I can't wait to hoary release... yum! :)~
[12:34] <siimo> crimsun, ?  thought its 18mths after the release of warty
[12:34] <siimo> "Each release is supported for at least 18 months."
[12:34] <siimo> i think that means from when it is released
[12:34] <miausX> |QuaD-: me too, but I preffer E DR17 in hoary yum yum! :D
[12:35] <|QuaD-> E DR17?
[12:35] <Pozac> hehe
[12:35] <Pozac> never gonna happen
[12:35] <miausX> Enlightenment DR17 :D
[12:35] <Pozac> :)
[12:35] <|QuaD-> Pozac: :(
[12:35] <|QuaD-> miausX: oh
[12:35] <miausX> Pozac: hey! I have my DR17 compiled from CVS in my warty right now! :D
[12:36] <andrew_> where would the logs be located |QuaD- ?
[12:36] <|QuaD-> andrew_: /var/logs
[12:36] <crimsun> siimo: that's what I just said.
[12:36] <miausX> |QuaD-: I have a txt about that, I can send it to you if you want :)
[12:36] <|QuaD-> about what?
[12:36] <Pozac> miausX, CVS != release :)
[12:36] <Riddell> |QuaD-: ubuntu won't but there should be a KDE ubuntu one day
[12:36] <Riddell> |QuaD-: canonical ubuntu won't but there should be a KDE ubuntu one day
[12:37] <|QuaD-> Riddell: i know
[12:37] <Pozac> KDE Ubuntu *brr*
[12:37] <|QuaD-> Riddell: a boy can dream can't he?
[12:37] <miausX> hahahahaha
[12:37] <Pozac> Kubuntu.
[12:37] <crimsun> we should all beat up calc for defecting from kde
[12:37] <miausX> lol
[12:37] <crimsun> =P
[12:37] <ACID|net> Riddell: But isnt it easy to install KDE? using apt-get?
[12:37] <|QuaD-> miausX: what do you have a text about?
[12:38] <|QuaD-> ACID|net: its not optimised though
[12:38] <Riddell> crimsun: he hasn't defected that I know of
[12:38] <miausX> |QuaD-: I think nvu is available as precompiled binary: download, untar and execute (like firefox or thunderbird)
[12:38] <|QuaD-> miausX: yeah... it is
[12:38] <andrew_> in the logs file, when it tries to use the res I want it to, it says hsync out of range, any ideas?
[12:38] <crimsun> Riddell: maintainership or daily use? =P
[12:38] <miausX> |QuaD-: compiling, installing and upgrading DR17 from CVS
[12:38] <|QuaD-> andrew_: maybe your syncs are out of range
[12:38] <andrew_> and I guess I should reconfigure x86?
[12:38] <|QuaD-> miausX: i like ubuntu packages
[12:39] <lexhider> andrew_: what monitor are you using?
[12:39] <Pozac> Kbuntu.
[12:39] <andrew_> I have no idea.
[12:39] <miausX> |QuaD-: well... me too, but some packages are old, and I need the latest version
[12:39] <andrew_> But it is compatible with that res, I run that resolution in windows.
[12:39] <|QuaD-> miausX: you running hoary?
[12:39] <|QuaD-> andrew_: your syncs are off though
[12:39] <miausX> |QuaD-: no I don't, I'm in warty :)
[12:39] <|QuaD-> look up the syncs for your monitor
[12:39] <|QuaD-> miausX: i run hoary, new packages :)
[12:40] <miausX> |QuaD-: hehehe, I hope upgrade to hoary in a few days, I can't do that right now :)
[12:40] <deadshell> andrew_, my hsync is 30-90
[12:40] <deadshell> in /etc/X11XF86Config-4
[12:40] <siimo> does ubuntu detect other linux distros while setting up bootloader?
[12:41] <deadshell> *in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:41] <|QuaD-> miausX: i like hoary
[12:41] <|QuaD-> miausX: though it breaks often
[12:41] <miausX> oh :(
[12:41] <tux_> siimo, yea
[12:41] <miausX> |QuaD-: bad thing, I need a distro rock solid
[12:41] <crimsun> hoary seems ok right this instant
[12:41] <tux_> i have 6 including ubuntu on my other laptop
[12:41] <miausX> tux_: O.o
[12:42] <andrew_> hm
[12:42] <ACID|net> tux_: Why??
[12:42] <|QuaD-> crimsun: right now it is good :)
[12:42] <andrew_> i think I'll just reconfigure xconfig
[12:42] <starman12> trying to help friend get his 56k modem to work in linux..its a LTwinmodem for which im trying to install the driver via: sudo dpkg -i lt*.deb..it starts and looks like its going to install but errors out near end iwth : unable to find /etc/modprobe.conf ????
[12:42] <|QuaD-> andrew_: you probably need to set the syncs manually
[12:42] <andrew_> probably.
[12:43] <tux_> andrew_, look up model of monitor on google
[12:43] <siimo> brb going to do a fresh install of ubuntu
[12:43] <andrew_> I did.
[12:43] <tux_> ok
[12:43] <andrew_> and the horizontal syncs are 30-87.5
[12:44] <miausX> oh!!! good news! --> "Patrick Volkerding is back, feeling much better"
[12:45] <miausX> I was a slackware user... good times (but not better than Ubuntu :)
[12:45] <|QuaD-> anyone here use mozilla suite?
[12:45] <miausX> |QuaD-: no, sorry :S
[12:47] <nyktovus> how do i add something to a menu?
[12:47] <aeruder> miausX: really??
[12:47] <aeruder> miausX: awesome
[12:50] <miausX> aeruder: well, slack is a good distro for a server, but you know... ubuntu (installed with custom)... hum! :D
[12:50] <eruin> azureus is pretty damn nice
[12:50] <eruin> perfect gtk2 integration if I ever saw a java app do that
[12:50] <aeruder> miausX: yea, i know... but its good to hear he is back
[12:50] <Xenguy> miausX: they don't tell what really happened tho
[12:50] <aeruder> i'm not a slack fan in any way :)
[12:50] <tux_> eruin, yea, but if there are no torrents to get
[12:51] <eruin> I've got lotsa torrents to fetch ;)
[12:51] <tux_> suprnova had to go by-gy
[12:51] <eruin> oh
[12:51] <eruin> thepiratebay.org
[12:51] <tux_> byebye
[12:51] <eruin> ;>
[12:51] <miausX> :D
[12:51] <tux_> lol
[12:51] <tux_> thks
[12:51] <eruin> suprnova always sucked anyway ;)
[12:51] <kebac> I have never used any linux before, only BSD:s. I want to try some linux on my desktop. Could Ubuntu do it?
[12:51] <miausX> kebac: what bsd?
[12:51] <eruin> kebac, ofcourse ;)
[12:52] <eruin> ubuntu is the mother of all linux desktops
[12:52] <aeruder> kebac: yep
[12:52] <miausX> hahahahaha
[12:52] <kebac> miausX: NetBSD and FreeBSD
[12:52] <nyktovus> how can i make my login face use a logo?
[12:52] <nyktovus> or a picture?
[12:52] <miausX> kebac: you'll love Ubuntu :D
[12:52] <kebac> miausX: right :)
[12:52] <kebac> i will give it a try
[12:52] <miausX> kebac: I have FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE installed into my slave disk... I don't boot in FBSD since months :D
[12:53] <kebac> miausX: i have BSD:s only on servers, windows on desktops
[12:53] <miausX> kebac: well... If you like build all from source etc etc, maybe gentoo is your choice
[12:53] <kebac> miausX: once had Freebsd on desktop, too bad HDD broke down
[12:53] <miausX> aha, oks :)
[12:53] <eruin> nyktovus, check System -> Settings -> Logon picture
[12:53] <lexhider> kebac: IMHO the *best* linux distros to use are either debian or ubuntu, they are very closely related.
[12:54] <nyktovus> wheres that?
[12:54] <jon1012> has anyone used the last xfce rc2 under ubuntu ? :)
[12:54] <Pozac> nyktovus, You need to choose a gdm theme with a chooser..
[12:54] <kebac> miausX: i want everything just to work without scratching my head too much:)
[12:54] <nyktovus> i dont have a system menu
[12:54] <jon1012> (compiled from source)
[12:54] <eruin> lexhider, for desktops, I'd say ubuntu or gentoo
[12:54] <starman12> does anyone know if they are working on getting better 56k modem support in ubuntu ?
[12:54] <eruin> ubuntu is more of a desktop-focused debian
[12:54] <miausX> kebac: yep, Ubuntu is a VERY GOOD desktop, and why not, an excelent server (distrowatch.com replaces a debian woody by FBSD, but Ubuntu was here too)
[12:54] <ACID|net> is gentoo really hard to install??
[12:54] <lexhider> kebac: I've used openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, gentoo, mandrake, redhat, fedora.
[12:54] <nyktovus> it has a chooser, my little login face is some dudes shadow with a question mark for a nose
[12:55] <starman12> ACID|net, generally yes UNTIL you've done it a few times
[12:55] <miausX> ACID|net: in my opinion, yes
[12:55] <eruin> ACID|net, not really.. YMMV ofc
[12:55] <starman12> heh
[12:55] <Pozac> in my opinion no
[12:55] <miausX> kebac: oh, well... Ubuntu is for you :)
[12:55] <ACID|net> if u read the handbook is it ok?
[12:55] <eruin> ACID|net, yeah
[12:55] <starman12> gentoo IMO is way overkill for the GAIN
[12:55] <eruin> actually my gentoo runs like a breeze
[12:55] <crimsun> I love Gentoo.
[12:55] <pepsi> whorey
[12:55] <kebac> miausX: ok :)
[12:56] <starman12> and its NOT going to attract suzie homemaker anyway..so I say ubuntu rules..and we do want new users right ? <G>
[12:56] <miausX> ACID|net: well... the handbook is wonderful, but I preffer install FBSD, no gentoo :)
[12:56] <crimsun> The file manager, that is, not the distro, though I suppose the distro ain't half-shabby either.
[12:56] <ACID|net> i want to have ubuntu, gentoo, slackware, freebsd on my machine
[12:56] <eruin> I just use ubuntu because I'm the apt-get dist-upgrade-every-day kind of user, and recompiling my entire system every other day isn't my cup of tea ;)
[12:56] <crimsun> well, get to it, ACID|net. Xen's a free download.
[12:57] <miausX> eruin: lol
[12:57] <starman12> eruin, I think MOST would agree with you...
[12:57] <kebac> eruin: i completely agree
[12:57] <eruin> other than that, gentoo is wonderful
[12:57] <kebac> in BSD:s i like that they dont need to be upgraded as often as linuxes do
[12:58] <eruin> ubuntu has a much friendlier community though ;)
[12:58] <kebac> :)
[12:58] <Pozac> Now appreciate that fact or we'll bash you good.
[12:58] <Pozac> ;)
[12:58] <eruin> hehe
[12:59] <miausX> ACID|net: well, my experience: slackware (a very good distro, simple, rock solid, excellent server, but with few packages ready to install), gentoo (good distro, but I preffer ports from FBSD, the same but better)
[12:59] <lexhider> kebac: you don't have to upgrade woody very often.
[12:59] <Pozac> lexhider, When did you last upgrade your woody?
[01:00] <lexhider> that sounds a bit like a personal question.
[01:00] <kebac> lexhider: actually i have never seriously even tried linux on my own machines.. but my friend uses linux and he upgrates his OS's almost daily
[01:00] <Pozac> it is. :)
[01:00] <eruin> haha
[01:00] <ACID|net> whats a good way to get to know a lot of distros? after installation?? Install a few packages, what else?
[01:00] <Pozac> ls -l ?
[01:00] <eruin> kebac, sounds like he's following the development branch
[01:00] <miausX> ACID|net: well... run services :)
[01:00] <miausX> Pozac: loooooooooooooooool
[01:00] <|QuaD-> now here is my question, how different is using firefox, thunderbird, and sunbird then just using the mozilla suite?
[01:01] <miausX> |QuaD-: what is sunbird?
[01:01] <aeruder> calendar
[01:01] <Pozac> |QuaD-, much!
[01:01] <miausX> oh oks :)
[01:01] <|QuaD-> Pozac: why?
[01:01] <kebac> eruin: he maintains quite a large web site...
[01:01] <eruin> |QuaD-, well, afaik the mozilla suite is dead
[01:01] <ACID|net> miausX: Like what???  I don't know... :)
[01:04] <ACID|net> P120, 16mb and a 166, 64mb
[01:04] <miausX> ACID|net: it was only an idea :)
[01:04] <Pozac> ACID|net, so make that work
[01:04] <Pozac> :)
[01:04] <miausX> ACID|net: yuuuuuuuum! good server :D
[01:05] <Pozac> with all the distros
[01:05] <tux_> ACID|net, Damnsmall will work on it
[01:05] <|QuaD-> eruin: so mozilla suit has firefox and thunderbird?
[01:05] <miausX> use it as a gateway, firewall...
[01:05] <tux_> i have one running hre
[01:05] <ACID|net> hmmm, if i remember correctly freebsd is running apache on it
[01:05] <ACID|net> which i did last year
[01:05] <ACID|net> but i cant fully remember
[01:05] <miausX> tux_: I have feathe linux installed in my usb stick :D
[01:05] <eruin> |QuaD-, no
[01:05] <miausX> feather*
[01:05] <|QuaD-> eruin: i meant the equivalent
[01:05] <curvycom> I'm fairly new to linux, using Ubuntu, can anyone suggest a good gui daemon manager?
[01:05] <eruin> |QuaD-, mozilla _suite_ is the same old mozilla browser / mozilla mail, etc
[01:06] <eruin> but the browser focused on by mozilla is now firefox
[01:06] <|QuaD-> so mozilla suite is old?
[01:06] <miausX> curvycom: hum... I use console + vim... but did you try webmin?
[01:06] <Pozac> I never quite understood why services-admin was left out.
[01:06] <eruin> I think theres a roadmap or something on mozilla.org that explains that
[01:06] <|QuaD-> eruin: i was looking for something
[01:06] <|QuaD-> couldn't find anything
[01:07] <|QuaD-> imho, thunderbird and sunbird should be seemlessly integrated
[01:07] <Pozac> imho, I don't care.
[01:07] <Pozac> Evolution takes the cake.
[01:07] <|QuaD-> Pozac: i didn't like evolution
[01:07] <|QuaD-> i like kpim :(
[01:07] <eruin> I think firefox,thunderbird and sunbirds main seelingpoint is that theyre standalone
[01:08] <curvycom> miausX not yet, but I'm a newbee as I say.  THis system is great tho, it does every thing I need on my laptop.  I just thought a GUI based daemon manager might be a good learning tool for me.
[01:08] <miausX> hum, imho evolution has too much things, I like thunderbird (more simple)
[01:08] <curvycom> thanks
[01:08] <eruin> while if you really must have a monolithic environment, you use the suite
[01:08] <|QuaD-> eruin: yeah.... but i want my contacts integrated with my calendar, no?
[01:08] <eruin> and thunderbird/firefox has some cross-functionality if I'm not mistaken
[01:08] <eruin> err integration I mean
[01:09] <lexhider> thunderbird is OK but it SUCKS for reading mailing lists.
[01:09] <miausX> lol
[01:09] <miausX> mutt rocks! ;)
[01:09] <Pozac> cross-integration?
[01:09] <eruin> that's what I saw on the stuff installed on windows here until I ripped that out and installed ubuntu for my old daddeh
[01:09] <|QuaD-> lexhider: what do you reccomend
[01:09] <eruin> gmail is perfect for lists ;P
[01:09] <miausX> hahahahaha
[01:09] <|QuaD-> gmail is great... it gets a copy of all my email for backup
[01:10] <miausX> yep :D
[01:10] <|QuaD-> miausX: have you used nvu?
[01:10] <miausX> hum... yep
[01:10] <|QuaD-> do you like/
[01:10] <lexhider> quad: if you're after gui, I haven't found any thing that fights all my needs, but I'm currently using evolution.
[01:10] <|QuaD-> lexhider: ohh ok
[01:11] <Pozac> fight that need, boy :)
[01:11] <lexhider> gmail is great for email but I can't comment on using it with mailing lists.
[01:11] <miausX> |QuaD-: well, I preffer txt2tags + vim :)
[01:11] <Pozac> I'm off.. sleep tight
[01:11] <miausX> hehehehe
[01:11] <|QuaD-> lexhider: it is great for mailing lists
[01:11] <|QuaD-> miausX: haha
[01:11] <lexhider> s/fights/fits
[01:11] <Pozac> gkpim
[01:11] <kebac> i wonder how much gmail has HDD space...
[01:11] <Pozac> gtkkpim
[01:11] <|QuaD-> haha
[01:11] <lexhider> gmail = 1gig
[01:11] <|QuaD-> you should start the port
[01:11] <|QuaD-> gmail=great.... google never ceases to amaze me
[01:11] <kebac> lexhider: yeah, but total for all users
[01:12] <Pozac> kebac, enough. Its a cluster.
[01:12] <miausX> |QuaD-: hey! I only have to write a simple txt file (with a few tags) and I'll get an xhtml transitional document :D
[01:12] <kebac> Pozac: i know that
[01:12] <Pozac> all hail google
[01:12] <|QuaD-> miausX: i don't know how to use it
[01:12] <ctr> anyone got an ibook with external display working ?
[01:13] <miausX> |QuaD-: I use it to write documentation with latex output
[01:13] <lexhider> imagine it's crazy growth if/when anyone can get an account.
[01:13] <miausX> |QuaD-: what? nvu or txt2tags?
[01:13] <eruin> http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html
[01:13] <eruin> there 'tis ;)
[01:14] <eruin> Focus development efforts on the new standalone applications: the browser currently code-named Firefox, the Mozilla Thunderbird mail/news application, and standalone composer and other apps based on the the new XUL toolkit used by Firefox and Thunderbird. We aim to make Firefox and Thunderbird our premier products, and encourage extension authors and other ISVs to target these applications for their work as well.
[01:14] <|QuaD-> miausX: txt2tag...
[01:14] <|QuaD-> eruin: lemme look (seems logical name)
[01:14] <eruin> (almost get the feeling they're worried about yet another rename of firefox)
[01:14] <miausX> |QuaD-: aha, oks... give me a moment
[01:14] <miausX> |QuaD-: here it is: http://txt2tags.sourceforge.net/
[01:15] <|QuaD-> eruin: isn't it kind of counter intuitive not to make thunderbird a full pim?
[01:15] <miausX> |QuaD-: download the latest version, untar it and execute it, it's only a python script
[01:15] <|QuaD-> miausX: let me first read if i like it :)
[01:16] <miausX> in the tarball are documentation, samples, a menu for gvim, syntax color for kate, vim, emacs, nano... all :D
[01:16] <DigiKill> anyone usin a apple pro kb and apple mouse in here?
[01:16] <lexhider> eruin: I like following unix philosophy of doing one thing well.
[01:16] <DigiKill> how the hell does one RIGHT Click in here...apple keys not workin
[01:16] <miausX> |QuaD-: of course! :))
[01:17] <|QuaD-> miausX: seems interesting, yet a gui is easier
[01:17] <eruin> |QuaD-, pim?
[01:17] <lexhider> miausX: what's the output like, e.g. could you edit the resulting html/latex by hand or is it ugly like your average WYSIWYG html editor.
[01:17] <miausX> |QuaD-: I know :D
[01:17] <eruin> lexhider, yeah :)
[01:18] <miausX> lexhider: no no, output is perfect! I write the txt with tags, later I have a tex document, output of txt2tags, and at last I edit the tex file with vim + latex-suite :D
[01:18] <|QuaD-> eruin: like evolution, personal information manager, keeps track of contacts, calendar, to do list and notes
[01:18] <miausX> works perfect :)
[01:19] <miausX> lexhider: oh! and if you want an indented html/xhtml document you can use tidy (and yes, it validates like xhtml transitional) :D
[01:20] <lexhider> cool, if you think it would be good in the archives you could suggest it at supported seed thing on wiki
[01:20] <miausX> lexhider: if you don't like the default packages for latex, you can add new packages... if you want to remove or replace the current default packages you can edit by hand the txt2tags scripts, is easy :)
[01:22] <miausX> lexhider: well, there is an ubuntu package, but it's txt2tags 1.7, a VERY old version (latest 2.1, has many new features)
[01:22] <|QuaD-> when is nvu going to make it to hoary???
[01:22] <miausX> I can write a doc in the wiki explaining how to download, setup and use txt2tags (the latest version)
[01:22] <eruin> pah.
[01:23] <|QuaD-> miausX: you should
[01:23] <miausX> hahahaha oks :)
[01:23] <|QuaD-> but i still want a wysiwyg editor :)
[01:23] <miausX> i'll take note of that :)
[01:23] <miausX> |QuaD-: for editing html files?
[01:24] <|QuaD-> creating simple ones
[01:24] <miausX> I only know three: bluefish, quanta and nvu
[01:24] <[Cliff] > hi guys... i'm trying to start a new thread on the 3rd party forum but i keep getting a "can't do that" message. any ideas?
[01:24] <miausX> oh! and anjuta
[01:24] <|QuaD-> miausX: yeah... i am planning on using nvu
[01:25] <|QuaD-> miausX: also OOo has one
[01:25] <miausX> |QuaD-: yep... hum, do you know bluefish?
[01:25] <lexhider> miausX: I didn't realize there was a package already, it's in universe is it?
[01:25] <|QuaD-> miausX: i use that for php development
[01:25] <miausX> lexhider: hum... yep, maybe, I have universe and multiverse enabled in my sources.list :)
[01:25] <miausX> |QuaD-: aha oks :)
[01:26] <eruin> gedit is your friend :P
[01:26] <miausX> eruin: vim and gvim! of course ;D
[01:26] <miausX> oohhh... vim in my xterm with terminus font :D~
[01:27] <miausX> hum, time to sleep a bit, see you later! :)
[01:29] <siimo> hi can anyone tell me how to get Computer and Trash icon on desktop? and
[01:29] <eruin> vim? blasphemy
[01:30] <siimo> how to get the gnome desktop preferences in the "Main Menu"
[01:30] <eruin> whats that package with w32 codecs named?
[01:31] <prak> w32codecs
[01:32] <siimo> hello
[01:33] <|QuaD-> i might give in and just install nvu from the binaries on their site when i go home :(
[01:35] <siimo> ok i got the first part .. id really like to get these desktop preferences in main menu i dont use this manu bar menu
[01:35] <ACID|net> does Integrated Windows Authentication work on non-microsoft browers??
[01:36] <oak> siimo: you can use the gconf-editor
[01:37] <alka_trash> siimo: open gconf-editor and do a search for trash
[01:37] <oak> the keys i think you are looking for are in /app/nautilus/desktop
[01:37] <siimo> i got the trash part thanks
[01:37] <siimo> but i need to know how to add gnome desktop preferences to the main menu
[01:38] <prak> i need some help with DVD playback.. it was working when i first installed ubuntu.
[01:39] <eruin> w32codecs seems to be gone
[01:39] <oak> do you mean under "applications" instead of "computer"?
[01:39] <siimo> oak , alka_trash AKA the stuff shown in gnome control center
[01:39] <siimo> yes
[01:39] <lexhider> prak: what app are you using.
[01:39] <siimo> im using the main menu (not menu bar(
[01:40] <eruin> marillat
[01:40] <eruin> ahhheh
[01:40] <oak> in nautilus
[01:40] <oak> type control + l and type "applications://"
[01:40] <oak> i think you can just add a launcher there
[01:40] <oak> ?
[01:41] <siimo> launcher to what?
[01:41] <DigiKill> anyone on Ubuntu w. a Mac?
[01:42] <alka_trash> I was thinking about putting ubuntu on an g3, but haven't gotten to it
[01:42] <jdub> morning ajmitch_
[01:42] <jdub> thanks for the log mail
[01:42] <jon1012>  is there some geeks having geek codes here ? ;)
[01:42] <DigiKill> alka_trash: so far its nice on ppc....
[01:42] <jon1012> (just to know if people continue to use geek codes lol)
[01:42] <alka_trash> really, what type of mac
[01:42] <aeruder> geek codes ?
[01:42] <DigiKill> Dual 533 G4
[01:42] <sjoerd> DigiKill: i've got debian on mine, but that's mostly the same
[01:42] <jon1012> http://www.geekcode.com/
[01:42] <alka_trash> sounds great
[01:43] <alka_trash> any hardware problems
[01:43] <sjoerd> DigiKill: in ubuntu mmb and rmb are f11 and f12 by default iirc
[01:43] <DigiKill> sjoerd: have you got a regular mac mouse? im tryin to rightclick in Firefox to save/get wallpapers...
[01:43] <jon1012> mine is : GCS/IT/PA/SS/CC/AT d(++) s: a19 C++(++++)$>$ UL+++ P++ L++++ !E--- W+++ N++ o+ K-? w--- !O M-- V- PS++ PE- Y+ PGP++ t+ 5? X R+ tv+ b+++ D++ G++ e++ h! r% y++*
[01:43] <DigiKill> alka_trash: the only thing ive seen is the Adaptec SCSI card botches install
[01:44] <DigiKill> as far as hardware screwups
[01:44] <oak> siimo: open the gnome help
[01:45] <oak> siimo: there is a whole bunch in the desktop user guide (working with menus / customizing)
[01:46] <sjoerd> DigiKill: yeah apple mouse (well apple trackpad :)
[01:46] <alka_trash> do the new hoary packages work?
[01:46] <siimo> ok thx
[01:47] <alka_trash> I guess I'll just have to wait
[01:47] <speel> i wouldent use hoary packes
[01:47] <alka_trash> they are so fun though
[01:48] <speel> to unstable
[01:48] <alka_trash> true, they are that
[01:49] <speel> i rember i upgraded my system to current it went poof
[01:49] <crimsun> alka_trash: hoary packages of what?
[01:49] <alka_trash> last night I upgraded my xorg packages and xorg stopped working
[01:49] <speel> lol
[01:49] <crimsun> that was fixed over 7 hours ago
[01:49] <crimsun> in 8
[01:49] <alka_trash> I'm in the process of updating again
[01:50] <lexhider> alka_trash: should be fixed now.
[01:50] <speel> hoary is horrid as of right now
[01:50] <aeruder> yes it is
[01:50] <crimsun> actually, hoary works quite well _right now_
[01:50] <aeruder> python is causing many probs :)
[01:50] <speel> hey um does any one have problems with the cd player? mine seems to have no sound
[01:51] <aeruder> which cd player?
[01:51] <aeruder> is it analog or digital ?
[01:51] <speel> you know when you put in a music cd in and the cdplayer program comes up
[01:51] <DigiKill> sjoerd: any clue on how to tweak either the KB or the apple pro mouse settings to make it Right Click?
[01:52] <aeruder> if its analog, you have to make sure you have your CD in your mixer controls is turned up
[01:52] <DigiKill> i set my KB to Macintosh_normal i believe in the KB settings so far...but i still dont have Apple or even Win button capabilities.
[01:52] <aeruder> and that you DO actually have a cable going from the analog out of your cd-rom drive going to your sound card
[01:52] <alka_trash> I'm back in X land :)
[01:52] <speel> its all up ;(
[01:52] <sjoerd> DigiKill: does cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation  output 1 for you ?
[01:53] <DigiKill> one sec...
[01:53] <speel> oo noo lol im just taking about when you pop in a music cd in to hear it on your comp
[01:54] <aeruder> speel: i know...
[01:54] <DigiKill> yep sjoerd
[01:54] <DigiKill> output 1
[01:54] <aeruder> speel: some newer computers do not have the cd-rom drive connected to the sound card, and thus can only do digital extraction to play cds
[01:54] <aeruder> and most linux cd players will not do that
[01:55] <speel> it worked on slack
[01:55] <aeruder> speel: what kernel you using?
[01:55] <speel> 1.6
[01:55] <speel> 2.6
[01:55] <DigiKill> wb alka_trash
[01:55] <aeruder> try running alsamixer and making sure your cd device is both unmuted (shouldn't have the MM at the top) and turned up
[01:55] <alka_trash> thanks, the colors are so bright
[01:56] <DigiKill> you in xchat vs. irssi or somethin?
[01:56] <alka_trash> irssi
[01:56] <speel> yea =/ cd is all the way up
[01:56] <alka_trash> it was a small CLI adventure
[01:56] <lexhider> aeruder: do you have more than one CD drive? Have you successfully played a CD before on your setup.
[01:57] <sjoerd> DigiKill: and cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode
[01:57] <DigiKill> ahh....my cli isnt set right colorwise yet....as i just got done reinstallin
[01:57] <DigiKill> sjoerd:
[01:57] <aeruder> lexhider: sure
[01:57] <DigiKill> 88
[01:58] <aeruder> lexhider: and on one of my cds i can play analog, and one i have to play with digital extraction
[01:59] <aeruder> ok, so everything is working in hoary right now?
[01:59] <speel> ... weird lol gxine plays my cds
[01:59] <DigiKill> gxine?  i musta missed that one so far
[01:59] <aeruder> speel: it probably uses digital extraction.. you can see if you adjust the pcm in your mixer and it adjusts the cd output
[01:59] <aeruder> that means its using digital out
[01:59] <aeruder> if its adjusted by using the cd control in your mixer, that means its using analog and something with the default player is screwy :)
[02:00] <speel> ah well
[02:00] <sjoerd> DigiKill: that's F12, so F12 should do rmb for you
[02:00] <speel> thanks ;)
[02:00] <DigiKill> sjoerd: you are the master.....TY
[02:01] <DigiKill> thats bugged me for a bit over 24 hrs
[02:02] <DigiKill> anyone have any TCL compile problems yet?   i got errors trying to configure n make an eggdrop bot
[02:05] <speel> man all these consoles running linux .. ps2,xbox lol they should try gameboy
[02:05] <weinstein> trying to install 56k modem for friend in ubuntu ..dpkg -i ltmodem*.deb starts up fine but can't get past not being able to find : /etc/modprobe.conf..is there anything I can do to get around this ?
[02:05] <DigiKill> lol speel....that'd be entertaining
[02:06] <speel> lol yea it would
[02:06] <DigiKill> weinstein: noclue on that one as modems and i have never gotten along on linux...or in general for that matter
[02:06] <roo9> weinstein: touch /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:07] <roo9> weinstein: that was a known-issue with the debian ltmodem, must have carried over to ubuntu
[02:07] <prak> ok.. lexhider.. sorry i had to go away a bit
[02:07] <prak> i am using xine
[02:07] <speel> is any of the ubuntu team in here?
[02:07] <roo9> root@season:~ # ping6 fe80::203:93ff:fee9:5484
[02:07] <roo9> connect: Invalid argument
[02:07] <prak> and my DVD playback stopped working
[02:07] <lexhider> do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[02:07] <weinstein> roo9, so your saying its unlikely to work
[02:07] <prak> yes
[02:07] <prak> for some reason
[02:07] <DigiKill> sjoerd: you ever do a kernel compile to use as virtual terminal?
[02:07] <prak> though
[02:07] <lexhider> do you have correct /dev/dvd symlink?
[02:07] <roo9> weinstein: just create an empty /etc/modprobe.conf and it works fine
[02:08] <roo9> weinstein: with touch /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:08] <prak> yes for that too.. it points to /dev/hdc
[02:08] <weinstein> roo9, I tried touching it but didn't work....
[02:08] <prak> which is basically my DVD+CDROM
[02:08] <roo9> weinstein: what's the error now?
[02:08] <weinstein> roo9, I tried touching it ( I reached out man!) buit nada
[02:08] <sjoerd> DigiKill: don't understand what you mean, sorry
[02:08] <weinstein> roo9, it just can't find the file thats all
[02:08] <lexhider> prak: warty or hoary?
[02:08] <prak> hoary
[02:08] <prak> i was coming to that
[02:08] <roo9> weinstein: touching the file creates the file... so it now will find it if you try again
[02:09] <roo9> weinstein: ls -l /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:09] <prak> it worked in warty
[02:09] <weinstein> roo9, ie: sudo dpkg -i ltmodem*.deb..it starts up but can't find  modprobe.conf
[02:09] <weinstein> reading
[02:09] <prak> upgrade to hoary broke it i believe
[02:09] <roo9> did ubuntu ever send out the CD's they promised? I never got any....
[02:09] <weinstein> roo9, well sadly I can't..i'm in  windows (ICK) atm so im a bit screwed on that front.so illl have to just try it again when i go back to ubuntu
[02:09] <DigiKill> sjoerd: a buddy of mine compiled up a slack kernel to use as an emulation of slack on his gentoo box : was just curious if you'd heard of anyone doing that...
[02:09] <sjoerd> roo9: i got mine
[02:09] <lexhider> roo9: I got mine.
[02:10] <roo9> weinstein: yes, you will
[02:10] <roo9> :-(
[02:10] <DigiKill> roo9: i never got mine...been over 6 weeks now
[02:10] <roo9> i never got mine, it's been.. since ubuntu was first /.'ed
[02:10] <lexhider> prak: I'm currently upgrading to hoary. but the deal with hoary is that you can expect stuff to be broken.
[02:10] <weinstein> roo9, comforting LOL
[02:10] <DigiKill> damn!
[02:10] <sjoerd> roo9: on the site you can get info about shipping iirc
[02:10] <prak> i agree
[02:10] <roo9> hrmm
[02:10] <speel> yea lol /. should stop killing sites
[02:10] <roo9> perhaps because I ordered alot.....
[02:10] <sjoerd> DigiKill: an emulation of slack ?
[02:11] <DigiKill> sjoerd: basically...to build off the kernel within his system
[02:11] <weinstein> roo9, i'm pretty sure even after touching that I was getting : no such file or DIR on /etc/modprobe.conf..but if you are SURE im willing to reconnect the HD he uses for linux and try again..if your wrong i'm COMING FOR YOU
[02:11] <DigiKill> rather than a dualboot
[02:11] <lexhider> prak: you might try mplayer which is a pretty good vid player.
[02:11] <sjoerd> DigiKill: you mean UML ?
[02:12] <DigiKill> cuz i got a debian kernel here, and the drive space to use it in now
[02:12] <DigiKill> thats it sjoerd....
[02:12] <weinstein> roo9, lol
[02:12] <weinstein> anyway...im going now...prepare for earthquake if this doesn't work <<
[02:14] <sjoerd> DigiKill: never used it
[02:14] <billytwowilly> anybody know anything about cigars?
[02:15] <DigiKill> sjoerd: cool...just checking : ty
[02:18] <roo9> billytwowilly: /join #cigars
[02:19] <billytwowilly> roo9, cyberjames was in there but he left..
[02:20] <billytwowilly> roo9, noone else is there.
[02:20] <Cyberjames> billytwowilly: yes?
[02:20] <billytwowilly> roo9, told me to join #cigars  assume you know something about the fine art of smoking cigars?;)
[02:20] <roo9> billytwowilly: then /server irc.prison.net && /join #cigars
[02:22] <billytwowilly> Cyberjames, a montecristo in a cigar tube with a red top and with a purplish cigar wrapper thingy came into my possession recently. Is that a decent cigar, and if so how much is it worth?
[02:23] <prak> hmm.. well lexhider... the last time i tried to fix all this, i had reinstalled xine libxine1 etc...
[02:23] <prak> i thought i tried then... it did not work.. but now it seems to be working ok
[02:23] <roo9> billytwowilly: not the channel for cigar talk.
[02:23] <prak> not sure what broke.. but reinstalling those packages fixed it...
[02:24] <prak> the error i was getting was about an invalid MRL as one possibility and a pcm unlock function also reported failure
[02:24] <prak> whatever it was is gone now!
[02:26] <|QuaD-> i finally broke down, installing nvu
[02:31] <imka> hi
[02:31] <imka> how do i restart the xserver? afaik there's some command
[02:32] <deadshell> imka,  startx
[02:35] <jedi> for us heretics who want to play mp3s in warty, what's the best way of going about it?
[02:35] <DigiKill> jedi...i like xmms
[02:37] <derf> anyone know how I can get mplayer installed under warty?  I've got universe and multiverse in my sources.list and i still can't apt-get install mplayer-686.  I'm looking at the debs in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/ right now, but they don't install by hand cleanly
[02:37] <jedi> DigiKill: thanks :)
[02:38] <DigiKill> no prob jedi.....i liked it cuz it was like winamp...only WAY more stable ;)
[02:39] <punkrockguy318> jedi, even better is beep-media-player
[02:39] <jedi> heh, i use it as well on my other box, but i thought there were some 'mp3s are evil' stuff going on, which (while they are evil) wasn't really an inconveniance :)
[02:39] <punkrockguy318> jedi, it's xmms souped up with gtk2 and much more features
[02:39] <jedi> i see... might take a look
[02:39] <DigiKill> punkrockguy318: beep-media player huh?
[02:39] <punkrockguy318> jedi, but make sure you get the new version
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> jedi, the one in universe is old an buggy
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> DigiKill, yeah, check it out
[02:40] <siimo> how come i cant reduce or increase the number of workspaces in gnome??
[02:40] <siimo> is this a ubuntu bug
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> siimo, you can
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> siimo, right click on the workspaces in the corner
[02:41] <punkrockguy318> and hit prefernences
[02:41] <jedi> siimo: works for me.. :)
[02:41] <siimo> punkrockguy318, no matter what number i select they stay 5
[02:41] <siimo> stay 4
[02:41] <siimo> i meant
[02:41] <jedi> are you on warty?
[02:41] <punkrockguy318> siimo, odd
[02:41] <siimo> yes
[02:41] <jedi> very odd
[02:41] <siimo> watry clean install
[02:41] <siimo> havent even installed any updates
[02:41] <DigiKill> very very odd..
[02:41] <DigiKill> i just put mine up to 6
[02:41] <DigiKill> on a fresh install today
[02:42] <siimo> if i change the row numbers then it gets spilt into rows
[02:42] <siimo> but workspace number wont change
[02:42] <DigiKill> tho siimo, did you do the ubuntu update during install?
[02:42] <siimo> no
[02:42] <DigiKill> ahhh.....thats probly it...cuz i did the update durin install...
[02:42] <DigiKill> mine works fine :S
[02:42] <siimo> i dont think this will be broken in watry
[02:43] <DigiKill> im in a fresh install of warty myself
[02:43] <DigiKill> just finished it an hour or so ago
[02:43] <DigiKill> bout 2 hrs ago....my bad
[02:43] <DigiKill> time flys when you're huntin for packages
[02:45] <jon1012> lol
[02:47] <siimo> humm
[02:47] <Folletto> italian ?
[02:49] <siimo> ok weird its fixed now
[02:49] <siimo> i removed gnome-applets and installed them again
[02:51] <grelli> where do you change the window manager in gnome 2.8?
[02:52] <mike_douglas> /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager in gconf
[02:54] <grelli> why thank you mike_douglas
[02:55] <billytwowilly> grelli, Look at #lsd
[03:01] <hazmat> anyone know how to get emacs keybindings in xchat? ctl-A moves to front of line, but i can get ctrl-k to copy and kill line.
[03:02] <hazmat> aha.. nm just figured it out, there was some default keybinding for ctrl-k, removed that and it works
[03:16] <imka> any1 here?
[03:16] <mike_douglas> no
[03:16] <imka> cause i wanna give out some gmail invites :D
[03:16] <imka> who wants one?
[03:18] <mdke> *laughs*
[03:19] <speel> http://www.speel3k.net/Screenshot.png :D
[03:21] <imka> pm me for gmail invitations!!!
[03:22] <aeruder> or pm me! or pm half the channel prolly, heh
[03:22] <aeruder> there seems to be a surplus of gmail invites :)
[03:22] <imka> yea, it looks like
[03:22] <imka> i made the same call on #debian and i got one pm
[03:23] <imka> lol
[03:23] <imka> i have 8 left
[03:23] <mdke> imka, make a channel for gmail invites
[03:25] <liquidboy> hey
[03:26] <liquidboy> can anyone here be bothered answering some newbie qns?
[03:27] <mdke> sure
[03:27] <aeruder> just ask
[03:28] <liquidboy> the synaptic package manager... is that supposed to be just for stuff already on your system?> i got the impression when my friend was showing it to me that it had access to online stuff...?
[03:29] <mdke> liquidboy, you can use it to install new software: it downloads and installs for you
[03:30] <liquidboy> hmm, so when i doa search for xfce,technically it should come up with somehting?
[03:30] <pepsi> how can i safely get out of x?
[03:30] <|QuaD|> bittornado = broken on hoary
[03:30] <pepsi> i dont have logout or shutdown menu items
[03:31] <mike_douglas> pepsi: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[03:31] <mdke> liquidboy, yes that is right. But some programs are contained in repositories which are not enabled by default in ubuntu. Go to the wiki (address above) and search for the synaptic howto
[03:31] <mdke> *laughs*
[03:32] <mdke> not exactly the safest way
[03:32] <liquidboy> ok
[03:32] <whatah> hey, it seems that my ubuntu install CDs don't work very well, they mess up on unpacking packages
[03:32] <whatah> they burned fine, but during installation it's a no go
[03:32] <whatah> anyone have a similar problem, or do you think it's the media i am using?
[03:32] <liquidboy> another one... what direcotry are the apps installed into by default? i've been trying to find the firefox plugins direcory but cant (and the find/search does nothing at all, which is also kind of strange)
[03:33] <mdke> whatah, some people have reported problems which disappear when the cd image is burned at a slower speed
[03:33] <speel> ive had problems with the cds they sent me
[03:33] <whatah> mdke: so, that was a real problem? thanks
[03:34] <imka> any1 playing ut2004? i have no sound
[03:34] <mdke> liquidboy, most things like that can be stored both at a system level, and at an individual user level. So for the firefox plugin you can look in /home/matt/.mozilla/firefox etc (substituting your user name for "matt")
[03:35] <liquidboy> oh
[03:35] <jlund> I have a question about the Universe components. When I activate them through Synaptic, refresh, and mark updates it finds 42 packages to modify. Without Universe repositories enabled it says my system is fully up to date. Why is this? I'm running Hoary.
[03:35] <liquidboy> i think i need some *really* basic starter documentation. the ubuntu starter's guide is a little over my head
[03:36] <mdke> liquidboy, try the faqs
[03:36] <aeruder> liquidboy: sounds like you need just some general linux instruction?
[03:36] <liquidboy> yeah
[03:36] <liquidboy> im used to windows/beos, so you can imagine ... :)
[03:36] <mdke> jlund, seems that the packages you need to update are all in the universe repository
[03:36] <aeruder> liquidboy: well, first rule is that every app will have user settings in your home directory in a hidden file/directory (or at least -most- apps)
[03:37] <liquidboy> so /home/*hidden directory* ?
[03:37] <aeruder>  /home/username/*hidden directory*
[03:37] <mdke> /home/liquidboy/
[03:38] <aeruder> do a ls -a to see all files/directories
[03:38] <mdke> hidden directories begin with a "."
[03:38] <aeruder> hidden files in linux are just things that start with a .
[03:38] <Zotnix> /home/martin/.secretstash
[03:38] <imka> does any1 have an idea why i don't have sound in ut2004?
[03:38] <billytwowilly> Is there something more powerful than running halt as root?
[03:38] <imka> it uses openal and i have it installed
[03:38] <billytwowilly> I did that and the box isn't going down.. This has never happened before.
[03:38] <aeruder> imka: are there any messages when it starts?
[03:39] <aeruder> billytwowilly: what is it stuck on?
[03:39] <aeruder> generally you can get scripts that hang when shutting down
[03:39] <aeruder> if you want to -force- a reboot
[03:39] <billytwowilly> just has "System is going down for a halt now!"  When I activate them through Synaptic, refresh, and mark updates it finds 42 packages to modify. Without Universe repositories enabled it says my system is fully up to date. Why is this? I'm running Hoary.
[03:43] <billytwowilly> I'll just pull the plug.
[03:43] <billytwowilly> ;)
[03:43] <mdke> jlund, did you not believe my answer?
[03:43] <billytwowilly> jlund, you installed some packages from universe when you were running warty?
[03:44] <jlund> Oh mdke I didn't see it
[03:44] <jlund> Billy - no
[03:44] <mdke> jlund, it just means that you need to update some packages
[03:45] <jlund> The packages are not in Universe though
[03:45] <mdke> all of which are in the universe repo
[03:45] <mdke> they are to be newly installed or updated?
[03:45] <jlund> Mount for example says it needs to be updated when I have universe turned on but is not marked for an upgrade when universe is turned of
[03:45] <jlund> These are all packages that are already installed
[03:46] <mdke> oh thats interesting
[03:46] <mdke> mount!!
[03:46] <Zotnix> never pull the plug
[03:46] <Zotnix> >.<
[03:47] <imka> how can i set gnome to use dsp1 instead of dsp for sound? everytime i start an app, it tells me that /dev/dsp no such device. and i have no sound in ut2004
[03:47] <imka> ?
[03:47] <Zotnix> Doesn't that cause the head thing to crash into the disk causing damage?
[03:48] <jlund> mdke - yes it shows the latest as 2.12k without Universe and then 2.12l with Universe
[03:48] <imka> can i link dev/dsp to dev/dsp1?
[03:49] <imka> how can i set esd?
[03:50] <jlund> libswfdec0 is at 0.2.2-5 but when I go to Universe it says the latest is 0.2.2-7
[03:50] <jlund> Any reason for this?
[03:53] <jlund> Can someone running Hoary please tell me what the latest available version of "mount" is and why I see 2.12k without Universe enabled and 2.12l with Universe enabled?
[03:57] <Hikaru79> If you have the source of a program and compile it (./configre, make, make install), you can delete the source folder with all the stuff you downloaded, right?
[03:57] <bob2> if you want
[03:57] <bob2> but do you have a plan for how to uninstall the software later?
[03:58] <jlund> Take a look at Checkinstall
[03:58] <jlund> http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[03:59] <bob2> checkinstall is in universe
[03:59] <occy> hmmm
[04:00] <occy> I've used it on my desktop now for eons, but had issues last time I tried.
[04:00] <mdke> i was thinking of taking it off my laptop
[04:00] <imka> does any1 know how i make esd to use /dev/dsp1 instead of dsp? i have no /etc/esd.conf
[04:00] <bob2> occy: please file bugs!
[04:00] <occy> bob2: heh Everytime I file a bug, noone seems to care about it.
[04:01] <bob2> occy: e.g.?
[04:01] <Hikaru79> My bugs get answered immediatly =D Ubuntu loves me
[04:01] <Hikaru79> And I love it ^ ^ <3
[04:01] <occy> it took like 10months of bitching for metacity to get put back to the way it was working
[04:01] <bob2> ubuntu hasn't existed for ten months
[04:01] <occy> heh, I know.
[04:02] <mdke> he means a metacity bug i guess
[04:02] <occy> Not talking specifically about ubuntu bob2 :P
[04:02] <Hikaru79> bob2, love at first sight :)
[04:02] <occy> :)
[04:02] <occy> bob2: and hey :)
[04:02] <bob2> hola
[04:02] <occy> hmmm
[04:03] <mdke> what sort of issues were they occy?
[04:03] <occy> mdke: can't remember, but I think it was an X issue.  couldn't get X to work.  and for me, that's a killer.
[04:03] <mdke> *grins*
[04:03] <occy> went back to FC1 on the lappie.
[04:03] <mdke> X is useful on a laptop
[04:03] <occy> the odd thing was, I had someone in here who had the same exact laptop, but no problem.
[04:04] <occy> I was like.... huh?  So went back to FC1
[04:04] <occy> I still hate that hotplug bug on my desktop....
[04:04] <bob2> hotplug bug?
[04:05] <bob2> which bug number?
[04:05] <occy> bob2: heh, don't know what bug number, but I remember someone saying they had it too on here.  When it loads hotplug, it hangs on me.... 1/2 the time.   it's like voodoo to try and get the box back up.  So I just try and never reboot it.  But it has hardware issues, and locks up from time to time.  (not ubuntu's fault)
[04:06] <jlund> Which would you guys recommend for playing Videos? Xine-ui or Mplayer?
[04:06] <mdke> i use totem
[04:06] <jlund> I am coming from Gentoo where I used mplayer exclusively but I'm open to change
[04:06] <|QuaD|> jlund: totem-xine
[04:06] <jlund> ooh, heard good things about that too
[04:06] <occy> bob2: oh... check out me newly revised site if you are bored:   occy.net
[04:06] <bob2> totem-xine is not a very good choice
[04:06] <jlund> What kind of problems with codecs am I going to have?
[04:06] <lexhider> mplayer's pretty good except for dvd menus
[04:06] <bob2> gxine or mplayer are less hassle
[04:06] <|QuaD|> bob2: why?
[04:06] <bob2> jlund: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:07] <bob2> |QuaD|: it forces out ubuntu-desktop, then people whine when they upgrade to hoary and things stop working
[04:07] <mdke> *laughs*
[04:07] <mdke> bob2, you and your pet hates
[04:07] <|QuaD|> bob2: lol
[04:08] <bob2> mdke: hey, it saves other people hassle, too
[04:09] <mdke> bob2, :)
[04:09] <|QuaD|> bob2: you work for canonical right? how are they making money?
[04:09] <mdke> making money?
[04:10] <mdke> they are making money?
[04:10] <|QuaD|> yeah... its a company, goal is to make money
[04:10] <mdke> >_>
[04:10] <|QuaD|> i don't knwo
[04:10] <mdke> <_<
[04:10] <|QuaD|> thats my question
[04:10] <thully> Hi - I have tried both Hoary and Warty on this laptop, and I've noticed Hoary's fonts are much better.  What did they do?  Can I get those fonts on Warty?
[04:11] <hazza96> Fonts are always getting better
[04:11] <lexhider> I dont' know, but I doubt they have yet
[04:11] <netsplit> Can broadcast be always: [(~ netmask) | ip]  ?
[04:11] <thully> Is it the font, or the default rendering system - since Warty's fonts look like slightly-better-than-average-Linux fonts, while Hoary's fonts look like Mac OS X fonts
[04:12] <lexhider> thully, may be due to xorg?
[04:12] <thully> at least on my laptops - desktops use different font rendering systems
[04:12] <mdke> yep i think so too
[04:12] <bob2> it's not due to xorg
[04:12] <bob2> and laptops and desktops both use freetype for font rendering
[04:12] <bob2> |QuaD|: a variety of services
[04:12] <|QuaD|> bob2: care to expand on that?
[04:14] <jlund> Is it safe to enable the Universe repositories, install some packages, and then turn them off again?
[04:15] <occy> any diff gods here?  I've got two directories...  dir1  dir2   both have mostly the same thing.  (they were identical at one time)  they are on different computers.  I want to find out what has changed in dir1  and in dir2  and what I need to copy out of them into a new dir3  so I have all things synced and in order.
[04:15] <jlund> Or would this be stupid :)
[04:15] <bob2> |QuaD|: support and such, and some other interesting things in the pipeline...
[04:15] <bob2> jlund: well, yes, but note that the universe packages are unsupported
[04:15] <|QuaD|> bob2: ohh ok
[04:15] <bob2> occy: unison can create that 3rd dir for you
[04:15] <jlund> bob2: I know but I am having a weird problem
[04:16] <occy> bob2: k, /me looks
[04:16] <jlund> bob2: With Universe enabled I am seeing upgrades to packages that are not in Universe. So far I haven't installed anything from it but it still has upgrades when Universe repositories are enabled. When they are not enabled no upgrades are marked.
[04:16] <jlund> Strange eh?
[04:17] <bob2> jlund: for example?
[04:17] <jlund> mount
[04:17] <jlund> mount shows latest as 2.12k without universe but then 2.12l with universe
[04:17] <bob2> erm, very odd
[04:17] <jlund> All of my Python 2.3 packages as well
[04:18] <bob2> in hoary or warty?
[04:18] <jlund> This is hoary
[04:18] <bob2> I only see one version of mount in hoary
[04:18] <jlund> which?
[04:19] <bob2>  *** 2.12k-2ubuntu1 0
[04:19] <bob2>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[04:19] <jlund> hm, so maybe later versions are in Universe?
[04:19] <jlund> Because k is what I saw as well without Universe enabled
[04:19] <bob2> no
[04:19] <bob2> mount is not in universe
[04:19] <jlund> Well now I've got version l installed
[04:19] <jlund> So what does that mean?
[04:20] <bob2> er, after an update:
[04:20] <bob2>      2.12l-1ubuntu1 0
[04:20] <bob2>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[04:20] <jlund> ah, lovely
[04:21] <bob2> maybe you hadn't run 'apt-get update' lately?
[04:21] <jlund> I'm using synaptic
[04:21] <bob2> but after you added universe, you did, and got the new list?
[04:21] <jlund> And clicking reload
[04:21] <bob2> did you click reload and check *before* enabling universe?
[04:21] <Lathiat_> Hi guys -- anyonce else seen on hoary having gnome-panel/etc not load (just get my two panels blank, no nautilus background and cant do anything] ? (get the same off a warty->hoary upgrade and yesterdays hoary install cd) -- just wondering if its a known problem or i've got something weird
[04:21] <jlund> If I go back and forth turning Universe on and off it alternates between k and l
[04:22] <lexhider> Lathiat_: hoary gnome loaded up alright here.
[04:22] <Lathiat_> lexhider: updated today or?
[04:22] <bob2> jlund: that's very very strange
[04:22] <lexhider> yep
[04:23] <Lathiat_> lexhider: hrm, updated after yesterday?
[04:23] <lexhider> Lathiat_: try moving .gnome2 to .gnome2~ and logging in to see if you're config is stuffed.
[04:24] <LLM> linux n00b here again
[04:24] <Lathiat_> lexhider: had a blank homedir, and tried another user as well
[04:24] <LLM> i need help (again)
[04:24] <LLM> ive installed ubuntu
[04:24] <LLM> and now ive got the login screen up, and it wont let me log in
[04:24] <LLM> im positive that i have the username and PW correct
[04:24] <bob2> you know it's case-sensitive, right?
[04:25] <LLM> is there an administrator login or something?
[04:25] <LLM> ya i know
[04:25] <jlund> bob2: gtkhtml - What do you show as the latest
[04:25] <jlund> ?
[04:25] <bob2> LLM: no, there is not
[04:25] <LLM> crap
[04:26] <LLM> so theres nothing i can do?
[04:26] <bob2> jlund:  1.0.4-6.2
[04:26] <bob2> LLM: it's really unlikely that it's anything other than you mistyping it, but you can boot into a shell and reset it if you want
[04:26] <jlund> bob2: sorry gtkhtml3.2
[04:26] <LLM> how do i do that?
[04:26] <bob2> LLM: at the grub prompt, hit 'e', and add "init=/bin/bash" the end of the line, then boot
[04:26] <bob2> LLM: then run 'passwd your_user_name'
[04:27] <occy> bob2: read man pages for unison, and this faq:  http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/faq.html   and I still haven't found any working examples of how to do what I want to do:    dir1 dir2  > take same files and diff files and make new dir3
[04:27] <bob2> occy: ok.
[04:27] <LLM> ill try it
[04:27] <bob2> occy: it will make dir1 and dir2 into dir3
[04:27] <jlund> occy: what if you just did this. ls -al > dir1.txt then ls -al > dir2.txt
[04:27] <jlund> occy: then just run diff dir1.txt dir2.txt
[04:27] <jlund> That will show you what is different
[04:28] <bob2> jlund: that's not what occy is trying to do
[04:28] <jlund> You would of course do the ls commands in the different directories
[04:28] <occy> jlund: this should do things much easier than that.    go check out unison, it looks really powerful.
[04:28] <bob2> he/she wants a 3-way merge
[04:28] <jlund> oh, sorry
[04:28] <occy> he
[04:28] <occy> :)
[04:28] <Lathiat_> 3-way merge? scary :)
[04:28] <occy> Lathiat_: heh
[04:29] <Lathiat_> two way merges are hard enough :)
[04:29] <jlund> bob2: what is the latest gtkhtml3.2 - I show 3.2.3-0ubuntu1 as installed and with Universe turned on I see the latest as 3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1
[04:29] <XLx> I've been trying to figure out why doesn't my PC power down on the shutdown... I've googled to no avail. I had other distros properly shutdown my machine (also power off)
[04:29] <XLx> any pointers ?
[04:29] <bob2> jlund: 3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1
[04:29] <bob2> XLx: how old is it?
[04:30] <XLx> about 5 yrs.
[04:30] <XLx> 600MHz
[04:30] <occy> bob2: found this:  http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/stable/latest/unison-manual.html#tutorial    let me read
[04:30] <LLM> i dont know what to do, when it boots it tells me to hit esc to open some menu
[04:30] <jlund> Is it possible that Synaptic is caching the old stuff when I turn Universe off?
[04:30] <LLM> pressing "e" doesnt do anything
[04:30] <Lathiat_> LLM: yep do that, (press esc) then press e
[04:30] <jlund> bob2: Do you have Universe enabled?
[04:30] <bob2> jlund: yes
[04:30] <XLx> I had other distros power off the PC before...
[04:30] <bob2> XLx: add 'apm' on it's own line to /etc/modules
[04:31] <jlund> Hm, well that makes it harder to troubleshoot
[04:31] <XLx> okie
[04:31] <XLx> I can do that
[04:31] <XLx> anything else ?
[04:31] <bob2> LLM: yes, after you hit esc, you hit e
[04:31] <Lathiat_> hhey ctd
[04:32] <occy> bob2: so just do:   unison dir1  dir2
[04:33] <occy> and it'll create the 3rd dir for me automatically?
[04:33] <LLM> after i press esc, and then e, it then lists some things, like root, kernel etc
[04:33] <bob2> occy: I don't know, I've never used it
[04:33] <LLM> what now?
[04:33] <occy> bob2: haha
[04:33] <occy> bob2: ok
[04:33] <bob2> occy: no, 13:27:25           bob2 | occy: it will make dir1 and dir2 into dir3
[04:33] <LLM> it wont let me type inti=/bin/bash
[04:33] <bob2> LLM: edit the kernel command line
[04:33] <jlund> bob2: I know this is frustrating but I'm trying to figure out of this is a bug. Can you turn off Universe and see what the latest libgtkhtml3.2 is?
[04:33] <bob2> jlund: I really really really really really doubt it's related to universe
[04:34] <bob2> jlund: you can check the package files on archive.ubuntu.com manually
[04:34] <jlund> Hm, well I'm clueless
[04:34] <LLM> ok, i just add it to the end?
[04:34] <bob2> LLM: of the command line? yes.
[04:34] <LLM> alright, now that ive done that.....
[04:35] <LLM> what next?
[04:35] <bob2> boot it
[04:35] <LLM> ah boot
[04:35] <LLM> i see
[04:35] <bob2> jlund: with universe disabled, '3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1'
[04:36] <LLM> so when i boot now, what will it do, or ask me to do?
[04:36] <davide> hello, i cannot get the wireless connection to work, can anyone help me?
[04:37] <jlund> Thanks Bob
[04:37] <bob2> jlund: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:37] <jlund> At this point I think I should just start over
[04:37] <jlund> Is there a way to get a Hoary CD?
[04:37] <LLM> um, it just took me back to the login screen
[04:37] <LLM> how do i reset the password?
[04:38] <bob2> jlund: how would reinstalling help?
[04:38] <bob2> jlund: there are testing cds, but they may or may not work
[04:38] <bob2> LLM: you didn't enter the line correctly, try again
[04:38] <jlund> bob2: This just seems really messed up. I must have screwed something up along the way
[04:39] <jlund> bob2: Is it possible that I have a cache somewhere that I can flush?
[04:39] <jlund> I'm really new to apt-get
[04:39] <bob2> jlund: you do have a cache, which 'update' updates.
[04:39] <bob2> jlund: are you doing something silly like pinning?
[04:39] <XLx> bob2: You are da man !
[04:39] <LLM> ok, this is what my command line says:
[04:39] <jlund> bob2: I don't know what pinning is so I'm guessing no
[04:40] <XLx> apm in /etc/modules works perfectly ! thanks bob2  for your wisdom...
[04:40] <LLM> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[04:40] <LLM> where do i add the init=/bin/bash
[04:40] <jlund> bob2: What is pinning?
[04:40] <bob2> LLM: yes, please read the bit I said about adding "init=/bin/bash" to the end of it
[04:41] <bob2> XLx: you're welcome
[04:41] <LLM> i did that the first time and it didnt work
[04:41] <bob2> jlund: a silly game you can play with apt
[04:41] <bob2> LLM: well, it's what you have to do
[04:41] <stuNNed> bob2, lol
[04:41] <bob2> jlund: paste your sources.list to #flood
[04:41] <Seq> does anybody know why gdesklets-data is being removed on a dist-upgrade in hoary but gdesklets itself is fine? (I'm assuming this is due to python 2.4)
[04:42] <jlund> bob2: pasted
[04:42] <LLM> am i supposed to add a space between splash and init=/bin/bash?
[04:43] <bob2> LLM: yes, of course
[04:43] <LLM> cuz thats what i did the first time :S
[04:44] <bob2> Seq: apt-cache show gdesklets-data, look at the Depends line
[04:45] <Seq> bob2: did you used to hang out in #debian a while back?
[04:45] <bob2> still do...
[04:45] <occy> bob2:  that rocks hard!!!
[04:45] <occy> bob2: it worked just peachy
[04:45] <Seq> i think you helped me with bind or something like that a year ago.
[04:45] <occy> bob2: thank you very much.
[04:46] <davide> HELP-- my pcmcia card goes on blinking, if i do iwconfig it gives me my configuration, but  if i try to change my setting it won't let me do it, and if i try to restart the card with card info it won't let me do it.
[04:46] <tux_> occy
[04:46] <occy> tux_:
[04:46] <tux_> nice to see you here
[04:46] <bob2> occy: you're welcome
[04:46] <tux_> hehe
[04:46] <occy> tux_: :)
[04:46] <tux_> nomasteryoda actually
[04:46] <tux_> yeeha
[04:46] <LLM> ok, it says my username is unknown
[04:46] <occy> tux_: you get your site up?
[04:46] <tux_> yea
[04:46] <occy> heh
[04:46] <tux_> they must have fixed it
[04:46] <occy> tux_: the sky is falling!
[04:46] <tux_> glad
[04:46] <occy> :)
[04:46] <occy> tux_: triple your money back if you don't like the hosting
[04:46] <tux_> suprnova fell
[04:46] <tux_> lol
[04:47] <occy> ;)
[04:47] <occy> tux_: 21 miles today!
[04:47] <tux_> whoa
[04:47] <tux_> cool
[04:47] <occy> I am one tired motha
[04:47] <tux_> my brother does that stuff
[04:47] <LLM> bob2: ive got a command line up, and ive entered the passwd command with my username, and it says my username is unknown
[04:48] <jlund> bob2: any ideas. sources.list is in flood
[04:48] <moquist> anybody know which package will give me libmp3lame.so?  toolame certainly doesn't...
[04:49] <bob2> moquist: it's not in ubuntu
[04:49] <bob2> moquist: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:49] <bob2> jlund: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy mount' with and without universe enabled (don't forget to run 'apt-get update' after each twiddle)
[04:49] <bob2> LLM: it sounds an awful lot like you didn't create a user
[04:50] <moquist> bob2: right.  I figured they were available somewhere, though...
[04:50] <bob2> moquist: read that page
[04:50] <LLM> im certain that i did, but anyway, if i didnt, how can i correct this?
[04:50] <moquist> *sigh*  I would encode in Ogg/Vorbis, but this is for a non-tech crowd, and it's my responsibility to make it blindinly easy for them.  Oh well.
[04:51] <moquist> bob2: yeah, I read it.  Thanks for the link.  Software Patents suck.
[04:51] <bob2> moquist: oh yes :/
[04:51] <bob2> LLM: 'adduser whatever' to create the user 'whatever'
[04:52] <LLM> k
[04:52] <LLM> wait, ive just typed in passwd root
[04:52] <Lathiat_> hmm.. theres already an OS project called rosetta, go the naming
[04:52] <LLM> and it told me to enter new UNIX password
[04:52] <LLM> but it wont let me type anything :S
[04:52] <jlund> bob2: pasted
[04:53] <bob2> LLM: it doesn't print anything as you type
[04:53] <bob2> LLM: but that won't create a new user, nor let you login through gdm
[04:53] <LLM> oh wait, i think i did it
[04:53] <bob2> jlund: well, apt is sane, maybe synaptic has a bug
[04:53] <jlund> How can I just check the output of dist-upgrade
[04:54] <jlund> I will try that and see what happens
[04:54] <bob2> apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[04:54] <bob2> but you don't need to, look at what you just pasted
[04:54] <bob2> in both cases, apt sees only one version, which is the l one
[04:55] <jlund> oh duh. That's because I did upgrade that one
[04:55] <roo9> i'm getting an error trying to run a python program "ImportError: No module named GDK"
[04:55] <jlund> I will try the same with gtkhtml3.2
[04:55] <roo9> anyone know where the Python::GDK module is in ubuntu?
[04:55] <bob2> roo9: the software's instructions should tell you to install python-gtk or so
[04:56] <roo9> bob2: gdk not gtk
[04:56] <bob2> yes, I know
[04:56] <roo9> python-gtk-1.2 is already installed...
[04:57] <roo9> in fact, GDK.py exists in /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-1.2
[04:57] <jlund> bob2: Pasted, and there are differences
[04:57] <LLM> it works
[04:57] <LLM> thanks alot bob2, and anyone else that helped me
[04:58] <bob2> jlund: er, yes, because gtkhtml3.2 is in universe
[04:59] <jlund> HAHAHAHAHA
[04:59] <bob2> jlund: thus, if you disable universe, you don't see the newer version (the /var/lib/dpjkg/status entry is fro mthe one you have installed at the moment)
[04:59] <jlund> I wonder what installed that?
[04:59] <jlund> I swear I didn't install anything for Universe
[04:59] <bob2> nothing in main depends on stuff in universe
[05:00] <jlund> Is there a way to see what depends on gtkhtml3.2?
[05:00] <jlund> God I am such an idiot
[05:00] <bob2> apt-cache showpkg gtkhtml3.2
[05:00] <pepsi> whats up with the Debian menu?
[05:01] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu
[05:01] <pepsi> uhm
[05:01] <pepsi> well i see it
[05:01] <pepsi> it shows more stuff
[05:01] <calc> bob2: ubuntu doesn't want the debian menu aiui
[05:01] <pepsi> aiui?
[05:01] <calc> as i understand it
[05:01] <bob2> as I understand it
[05:01] <bob2> calc: I know
[05:02] <pepsi> but it shows more stuff yo
[05:02] <calc> oh i meant to direct that to pepsi i guess :)
[05:02] <LLM> oh btw, whats with this x that stays on top of everything?
[05:02] <calc> pepsi: huh?
[05:02] <jlund> bob2: Is there a way to revert to only main components without reinstalling?
[05:02] <pepsi> the debian menu has more apps in it
[05:02] <bob2> jlund: you mean "is there a way to uninstall all the packaes from universe?"?
[05:02] <jlund> bob2: I realize what happened. I did a smart upgrade with Universe turned on and I think it installed the CVS Gnome
[05:02] <jlund> Yes
[05:03] <pepsi> it has stuff i installed but never bothered to make a menu item for
[05:03] <bob2> jlund: no, unless synaptic is buggy
[05:03] <calc> pepsi: installed via debs?
[05:03] <pepsi> calc: with synaptic
[05:03] <calc> pepsi: debian packages typically have menu entries for the debian menu
[05:03] <calc> but not for the gnome menu
[05:04] <calc> so of course the debian menu will show many more things than the gnome menu
[05:04] <jcompton> I'm trying to get a very basic forum server set up, but I'm getting "unable to detect MySQL support in PHP" from the forum configuration program. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem, preferably from within the package manager?
[05:04] <pepsi> okay, but if i get more stuff showing up in the debian menu, i want that
[05:04] <jlund> bob2: all of the output from apt-cache showpkg is gnome stuff
[05:04] <bob2> jlund: not core gnome stuff
[05:04] <ajmitch_> hopefully the menu system will be common at some point between gnome, kde, debian systems
[05:04] <bob2> jcompton: install php4-mysql
[05:04] <bob2> ajmitch_: they're standardising on fd.o .desktop files
[05:04] <pepsi> then i suppose id just rather be able to see the debian menu, like i am now able to
[05:04] <calc> ajmitch_: gnome and kde are already merged for how the menu works
[05:04] <jlund> bob2: K well time for an adventure :)
[05:05] <calc> the actual application.menu file isn't merged yet though
[05:05] <pepsi> you dont have a debian menu showing?
[05:05] <pepsi> in hoary
[05:05] <calc> i don't
[05:05] <calc> if you installed menu-xdg you might
[05:05] <ajmitch_> calc: that's what I thought
[05:05] <calc> kde adopted it for kde 3.2, and gnome did it in 2.9
[05:05] <ajmitch_> but I wasn't sure when debian was moving to that
[05:05] <ajmitch_> ah, 2.9
[05:06] <jcompton> bob2: Not coming up as a valid package. All I've got is libapache2-mod-php4 (installed), php4-cgi (installed) and php4-dev (not installed.)
[05:06] <bob2> jcompton: it's in universe
[05:07] <jlund> bob2: Is there a way to see packages that are installed on the system that are not listed in the current active repositories?
[05:07] <jlund> bob2: If so I think I can get this cleaned out
[05:07] <bob2> jlund: yes, 'obsolete packages' list in aptitude
[05:07] <bob2> maybe synaptic has something similar
[05:08] <calc> dselect has obsolete list as well
[05:09] <jlund> There is an "Installed (local or obsolete)" listing
[05:09] <jlund> That sound right?
[05:09] <bob2> yeah
[05:09] <jlund> Cool, I'll just wipe those
[05:11] <jlund> K, now for the reboot
[05:11] <jlund> If this works I'll come back to lavish you with praise
[05:11] <bob2> reboot?
[05:11] <bob2> why?
[05:11] <jlund> I noticed it making changes to grub
[05:12] <jlund> Want to make sure it didn't screw anything up
[05:13] <roo9> anyone here have experience with GPSDrive ?
[05:13] <EricNeon> good noon
[05:14] <roo9> it's acting very strange, i know gpsd has the proper position, but gpsdrive is giving me bogus info
[05:17] <occy> bob2: yeah, just tried to install warty 1.0 ubuntu and I get:   bad d-i packages file   or something on tty4 over and over again.
[05:17] <occy> used this same disc on another machine with no problem, so it's not the media
[05:18] <jlund> bob2: HOORAY!
[05:19] <jlund> bob2: Problem solved!
[05:19] <tux_> occy, i have seen similar errors with the ubuntu discs... most of the time ok
[05:19] <tux_> but some systems it just dies on install
[05:19] <Marble> what's the best media player for linux?
[05:19] <occy> Marble: beep-media-player is cool
[05:19] <occy> Marble: apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:19] <tux_> really... got to install that then
[05:20] <occy> tux_: it's xmms + GTK2
[05:20] <occy> heh
[05:20] <moriddin2>  hi.. im currently downloading ubuntu and am very new to linux OS, could anyone give me some installing/configuring tips?
[05:20] <Marble> just a second, I need to boot to unbut
[05:20] <Marble> *ubuntu
[05:20] <Marble> lol
[05:20] <Marble> i'm on windows
[05:20] <occy> :/
[05:20] <pepsi> windows is bad for you
[05:20] <jlund> moriddin - The best advice I could give is to not give up. Learning Linux is worth it!
[05:20] <occy> I'm tired of being on Fedora
[05:20] <moriddin2> affirmative, jlund
[05:20] <jlund> moriddin2 - Feel free to ask anything in this channel as you have questions or encounter issues.
[05:21] <tux_> occy, are they the shipped Ubuntu?
[05:21] <moriddin2> cool thanks.
[05:22] <Marble> ok, what was the command again?
[05:22] <Marble> I'm on ubuntu now
[05:23] <occy> tux_: what was that?
[05:23] <tux_> oh, which discs... shipped or downloaded
[05:23] <occy> tux_: downloaded... but I've installed on other machines with these discs
[05:23] <tux_> i got a pack of 20 from Ubuntu
[05:23] <occy> nothing wrong with the media
[05:24] <Marble> occy:  what was the apt-get line again?
[05:24] <tux_> yea
[05:24] <occy> tux_: heh, you have a pack of 40 copies of every distro there is.
[05:24] <tux_> apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:24] <occy> Marble: apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:24] <tux_> occy, LOL
[05:24] <occy> Marble: and you can apt-cache search beep in case that's wrong
[05:24] <occy> :)
[05:24] <jlund> occy: What do I need to have to enable mp3 support in Beep?
[05:24] <jlund> occy: I just tried to play one and it crashed
[05:24] <occy> jlund: odd, it just worked for me ootb
[05:25] <Marble> no results occy
[05:25] <occy> Marble: apt-cache search = your_friend;
[05:25] <Marble> apt-cache search beep
[05:25] <Marble> returns nothing
[05:25] <tux_> Marble, did you do apt-get update
[05:26] <Marble> not yet
[05:26] <Marble> what exactly is apt-get?
[05:26] <tux_> the ultimate package getting tool...
[05:26] <Marble> updated, still nothing
[05:26] <occy> root@spies:~ # apt-cache search beep
[05:26] <occy> beep - Advanced pc-speaker beeper
[05:26] <occy> beep-media-player - Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp
[05:26] <jlund> occy: What output plugin areyou using?
[05:26] <occy> works for me[tm
[05:26] <occy> ]
[05:26] <Marble> root@Greg:/home/greg # apt-cache search beep
[05:26] <Marble> root@Greg:/home/greg #
[05:26] <jlund> Marble - it's in Universe so you will need to have that enabled
[05:26] <tux_> Marble, you might need to edit your "/etc/apt/source.list"
[05:27] <occy> Marble: you may need to apt-get dist-upgrade if you haven't done that in a while.
[05:27] <tux_> add universe
[05:27] <occy> ahhh
[05:27] <occy> what tux_ said
[05:27] <occy> :)
[05:27] <Marble> i've never done that occy
[05:27] <tux_> tks
[05:27] <Marble> and tux, that file != exist
[05:27] <tux_> marble, easy
[05:27] <tux_> Marble, you might need to edit your "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:27] <jlund> !!!
[05:27] <tux_> oops
[05:27] <tux_> sorry
[05:27] <jlund> I just needed to tell it right soundcard
[05:28] <occy> Marble: sec, I'll msg you
[05:28] <tux_> laptop keyboard
[05:28] <jlund> It's working!
[05:28] <Marble> tux, what do I edit in there?
[05:28] <jlund> And it looks much much better than XMMS
[05:28] <jlund> Thanks for the recommendation occy
[05:29] <occy> jlund: np... someone here recommend it and I like it.
[05:29] <occy> jlund: occy.net
[05:29] <occy> jlund: go check it out ;)
[05:29] <tux_> Marble, look at examples here... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=universe
[05:30] <tux_> the wiki has very good examples and info
[05:30] <occy> tux_: I pasted him my sources.list
[05:30] <jlund> Nice design ;)
[05:30] <tux_> ok
[05:30] <tux_> cool
[05:30] <jlund> occy: Any idea how to get sound in Gaim to work?
[05:31] <tux_> jlund, i added Guifications to my system and have sound in gaim now
[05:31] <occy> jlund: no clue. :(
[05:31] <occy> bob2 seems to have gone to sleep
[05:31] <bob2> nope
[05:31] <occy> we shouldn't allow that to happen.
[05:31] <occy> heh
[05:31] <tux_> occy, did you try turning off acpi
[05:31] <jlund> tux_: What is Guifications?
[05:32] <tux_> let me post link
[05:32] <occy> bob2: see my install error, ,know any way around it?   bad packages d-i
[05:32] <occy> or something like that.
[05:32] <tux_> http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Guifications/index.php
[05:32] <bob2> don't know, I'd guess bad cd, but you say you checked the md5sum
[05:33] <occy> bob2: yeah...
[05:33] <occy> same cd, as I said, works on another machine.
[05:33] <tux_> ACPI was an issue a friend had installing Ubuntu
[05:33] <tux_> when he disabled it worked
[05:33] <bob2> occy: have you checked the md5sum?
[05:34] <jlund> Cool blog occy
[05:34] <occy> jlund: danke
[05:34] <jlund> What software are you using to do it?
[05:34] <occy> bob2: hmmm
[05:34] <occy> jlund: drupal
[05:34] <occy> jlund: drupal.org
[05:34] <tux_> drupal rocks
[05:34] <occy> it rocks
[05:34] <occy> I use it on all my sites
[05:34] <tux_> occy setup our mgalug.org
[05:34] <occy> tux_: heh
[05:34] <occy> tux_: and then you basturdized it.
[05:34] <tux_> heck yea
[05:35] <tux_> lol
[05:35] <tux_> yea
[05:35] <tux_> well...
[05:35] <occy> well, it's just pushbutton really... not themed hardly any at all.  I didn't have time to spend on it.
[05:35] <occy> pushbutton = drupal theme
[05:35] <tux_> yup
[05:37] <jlund> K selecing ESD as preferred sound output device gets me the gaim noises
[05:37] <occy> *sigh*
[05:37] <occy> I am tiiiired
[05:37] <jlund> now I just need to video player and I'll have a fully functional desktop here
[05:38] <tux_> mplayer
[05:39] <occy> night kiddies
[05:40] <jcompton> bob: That was the ticket, thanks. Now, do you have a suggestion for the most elegant way to restart Apache under Ubuntu so I can avoid the humiliation of reboots? :)
[05:40] <xiam> jcompton: //etc/init.d
[05:40] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restrat
[05:40] <bob2> spelt correctly will work even better
[05:40] <tux_> lol
[05:41] <jcompton> Thank you.
[05:44] <jlund> bob2 and occy. Thanks
[05:44] <jlund> I appreciate all of the help
[05:44] <jlund> I'm loving this distro and I'll be talking it up at work tomorrow
[05:45] <Marble> how do I unmount all disks except the one my linux partition is on?
[05:45] <jlund> Hopefully we'll get a convert or two :)
[05:46] <Marble> anyone?
[05:46] <jlund> What kind of disks marble?
[05:46] <whatah> is there a way to do a netinstall of ubuntu?
[05:46] <Marble> uh like partitions
[05:47] <Marble> NTFS ones
[05:47] <Marble> i tried using unmount, but it says command not found?
[05:47] <Riddell> Marble: umount
[05:47] <xiam> Marble umount -a?
[05:47] <xiam> umount
[05:47] <Marble> root@Greg:/media/files # unmount -a
[05:47] <Marble> bash: unmount: command not found
[05:47] <bob2> dont do that
[05:47] <bob2> it's umount
[05:47] <bob2> read carefully
[05:47] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[05:47] <jlund> Marble it's umount and you don't want to do what xiam posted
[05:47] <jlund> That would unmount all disks
[05:47] <jlund> :)
[05:48] <Marble> root@Greg:/media/files # unmount /dev/hdd3
[05:48] <Marble> bash: unmount: command not found
[05:48] <bob2> Marble: again, read carefully
[05:48] <Marble> I just want to unmount a damn disk :(
[05:48] <jlund> marbe: umount /dev/hdd3
[05:48] <bob2> Marble: there's no 'n' after the 'u'
[05:48] <Riddell> what's the debian meta-package that has the development tools (gcc, autoconf and aa that)
[05:48] <bob2> Riddell: there isn't one
[05:48] <xiam> I'm sorry I misunderstand what you want to do Marble.
[05:48] <bob2> Riddell: build-essential installs some stuff, but not autconf
[05:48] <bob2> (since you don't need it to build stuff)
[05:49] <Marble> ahh
[05:49] <Riddell> bob2: that sounds like the one
[05:49] <Riddell> thanks
[05:49] <Marble> umount: /media/files: device is busy
[05:49] <Marble> umount: /media/files: device is busy
[05:49] <Marble> grr
[05:50] <tux_> Marble, if any apps are using that device, then it will not be umounted
[05:50] <bob2> yes, you need to close whatever is accessing it
[05:50] <bob2> 'lsof | grep /media/files' is a good way to find out
[05:50] <Marble> thanks
[05:53] <Marble> what's the chmod for all users?
[05:53] <Marble> 775?
[05:53] <xiam> 777
[05:54] <xiam> read write for all
[05:54] <Marble> chmod 777 /media/files
[05:54] <Marble> that work?
[05:55] <jlund> Marble what are you trying to do?
[05:55] <Marble> make it so other applications can view the files in this directory
[05:55] <Marble> other than me as root
[05:55] <moriddin> guys, would using a program such as daemon tools subsitute burning the cd?
[05:56] <moriddin> it makes a virtual cd driver that is actually on your hard drive
[05:57] <roo9> does anyone know how to map a tcp port to a /dev/ entry
[05:58] <xiam> Where path is best for install stuff? /usr/local or just /usr like RH?
[05:58] <bob2> moriddin: for installing, you mean?
[05:58] <bob2> xiam: for random stuff from source? /usr/local.
[05:58] <bob2> roo9: how do you mean?
[05:59] <bob2> (network connects are unrelated to /dev)
[05:59] <xiam> thanks bob2
[05:59] <roo9> bob2: I have application A, which expects data on a /dev/ entry. I have application B which sends that exact data over a tcp/ip socket. how can i get them to talk to each other?
[05:59] <bob2> roo9: netcat can pipe data to and from tcp sockets
[06:00] <bob2> what exactly are these apps?
[06:00] <moriddin> yes, bob
[06:00] <moriddin> for installing
[06:00] <roo9> bob2: GPS programs...
[06:00] <bob2> moriddin: how could that work?  the cd won't be mounted once you boot into ubuntu
[06:00] <jlund> Marble to change everything in a directory you use the -R switch for recursive
[06:00] <dee> hey
[06:00] <jlund> So chmod -R 777 /directory
[06:01] <dee> please somone tell me... to compile from source.... u do what 3 things?
[06:01] <jlund> ./configure
[06:01] <dee> make config
[06:01] <jlund> make
[06:01] <jlund> make install
[06:01] <dee> ok cool
[06:01] <moriddin> ok bob.. so i must burn it onto a cd then?
[06:01] <bob2> dee: erm, that only works for some software, and they will invariably have a INSTALL file which explains it
[06:01] <bob2> moriddin: or netboot
[06:01] <moriddin> whats that?
[06:02] <bob2> booting over the network...
[06:02] <moriddin> using floppies?
[06:02] <Marble> how do I add a program to my applications menu?
[06:02] <roo9> bob2: but can netcat map that to a /dev/entry ?
[06:03] <bob2> moriddin: don't think warty supports that
[06:03] <bob2> roo9: a "/dev entry" is just a file
[06:03] <moriddin> bob: how do i netboot then?
[06:03] <roo9> hrmmmm
[06:03] <bob2> it depends on what program A wants to do
[06:03] <bob2> moriddin: find out if your hardware supports it, first
[06:04] <moriddin> ok
[06:04] <dee> jlund,  please PM me
[06:05] <moriddin> bob: how do i find out hardware requirements?
[06:05] <dee> bob2, please PM ME.
[06:05] <dee> sry for caps
[06:06] <Marble> what switches do i use on a tarball?
[06:06] <dee> i did ./configure
[06:06] <dee> Now what?
[06:06] <dee> just... make?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> then make install
[06:07] <dee> tehnw bhat?
[06:07] <xiam> Marble, command --help provides you important information, try also man command or info command
[06:08] <Marble> thanks
[06:08] <Marble> -xvzf
[06:08] <xiam> for extraction you can use tar -xf file.tar
[06:08] <Marble> it's .tar.gz
[06:08] <xiam> Oh, you're right
[06:09] <moriddin> how do i find out hardware requirements?, and how do i netboot?
[06:09] <moriddin> anyone?
[06:09] <dee> Well
[06:09] <dee> I THINK you have to enable it in BOIS
[06:10] <moriddin> thanks
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> moriddin, look at the wiki for more ...
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=netboot
[06:12] <dee> hey yall
[06:12] <dee> What is a program that i shud install, just to install stuff
[06:12] <dee> where i must compile from source
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> dee, which program do you need?
[06:13] <dee> lol
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> did you look in apt?
[06:13] <dee> I dont need any
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:13] <dee> i dont know any
[06:13] <dee> Lol
[06:13] <dee> Yea, but i wanna compile from source
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:13] <dee> Know anyhting like gkrellm?
[06:13] <dee> But diff
[06:13] <dee> that will make my stuff look awsome
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> gkrellm is cool
[06:14] <dee> yea
[06:14] <bob2> dee: no
[06:14] <dee> But i need somthing diffrent
[06:14] <dee> darn.
[06:14] <bob2> dee: why do you want to compile gkrellm from source?
[06:15] <dee> i duno, i am trying to learn how to compile thins from shource
[06:15] <dee> when i tryed to compile aterm i had mass errors
[06:15] <dee> do i did easy way
[06:15] <bob2> did you follow the instructions that came with it?
[06:15] <bob2> you probably won't need to compile anything if you're using ubuntu...
[06:15] <jlund> Guys I have an AMD Athlon 1 gigahertz machine that is years old
[06:15] <jlund> Currently using the 386 kernel
[06:15] <jlund> Is this the best fit?
[06:15] <xiam> do you know how to avoid showing window contents while moving?
[06:16] <xiam> i'm using gnome
[06:16] <dee> bob2,  lol i know, but i want to work my way up to slackware... so i wanna learn how to compile things.
[06:16] <bob2> jlund: you can use the k7 one, as the description says
[06:16] <bob2> hah, "up to slackware"
[06:16] <dee> yea
[06:17] <dee> Whats do u mean by "hah"?
[06:17] <dee> not just slackware.
[06:17] <dee> But otehr distros
[06:17] <bob2> just that slackware isn't a really good place to end up if you're not already a slackware user
[06:17] <dee> well, where is?
[06:17] <bob2> if you want to learn hwo to compile stuff so you can use slackware, then just install it and ask for help in #slackware
[06:17] <bob2> debian or ubuntu are excellent advanced distributions
[06:18] <jlund> Gentoo is much better than Slackware if you want to mess with source
[06:18] <jlund> I used Gentoo for over a year before switching to Ubuntu this weekend
[06:18] <dee> Yea, thats what I ahve hjeard
[06:18] <bob2> gentoo seems to be for people who want to compile stuff without knowing what they're doing
[06:18] <dee> well jlund may i Pm you?
[06:18] <jlund> I cannot emphasize how nice it is to not have to wait for EVERYTHING to compile
[06:18] <bob2> from never having use it, at least
[06:18] <jlund> hah bob2
[06:19] <jlund> True in a lot of cases
[06:19] <bob2> 'emeger blah' is not teaching you anything about software
[06:19] <bob2> but this is pretty OT here, anyway
[06:19] <jlund> sure dee
[06:19] <jlund> Suffice it to say I'm happy with where I'm at now
[06:19] <jlund> And bob2 alone is more support than I ever saw with Gentoo
[06:22] <Marble> how do I change the firefox command?
[06:22] <Marble> I can't get my quicklaunch icon thing to go to 1.0 instead of .0.9.3
[06:23] <bob2> you have both installed?
[06:23] <Marble> yup
[06:24] <bob2> right click on it, choose properties, then change the 'command' entry to point at the full path to 1.0
[06:24] <xiam> I just installed 1.0 too :), I will uninstall firefox 0.9 and ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
[06:24] <Marble> I have
[06:25] <Marble> it says child process denied or such
[06:25] <Despair> daniels: 6.8.1-1ubuntu8 packages fail to load nvidia's glx.so, in case user wailing hasn't commenced. ;)
[06:25] <Marble> Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/firefox1.0" (Permission denied)
[06:26] <bob2> Marble: erm ,you did check that /usr/bin/firefox1.0 is an executable file, right?
[06:26] <Marble> wtf
[06:26] <Marble> /usr/bin/firefox1.0/firefox
[06:26] <Marble> runs 0.9.3
[06:27] <Marble> ahh
[06:27] <Marble> nvm
[06:27] <Marble> got it working
[06:28] <Marble> wtf, gmail won't work in linux firefox
[06:28] <bob2> yes it does
[06:29] <mike_dougla1> works fine
[06:29] <Marble> damn you adblock
[06:29] <errr> it would work on *nix before doze I would think anyway
[06:29] <Marble> brb
[06:30] <Marble> all better
[06:31] <dee> i wish My parents would ahve started me off on linux b4 windows.
[06:33] <Tomcat_> lol
[06:33] <Tomcat_> "It's always the parents' fault" :d
[06:33] <dee> lol
[06:33] <dee> naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar
[06:33] <dee> how would i unzip THAT?
[06:33] <xiam> bz2.tar?
[06:33] <dee> w8
[06:33] <dee> yea
[06:33] <errr> my 4 year old is a linux user. I didnt want her to feel that way the same as me and you both dee
[06:33] <dee> thats the name of it
[06:34] <dee> errr, does she know alot?
[06:34] <xiam> :S! try tar -xf *.tar and then tar -xjf *.tar.bz2
[06:34] <Tomcat_> tar -xjvf naim...bz2.tar, then untar it? :>
[06:35] <errr>  http://ofset.sourceforge.net/gcompris/  http://childsplay.sourceforge.net/  <----- she knows how to play the hell out of these 2 games.
[06:36] <errr> she can type about 10 words
[06:36] <dee> lol c
[06:36] <dee> ool
[06:36] <errr> spelled correctly and all
[06:36] <errr> its neat
[06:36] <bob2> if it's really a tar containging a tarball, 'tar -xf naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar', then untar the inner bit normally
[06:36] <bob2> also beat whoever gave you the file
[06:36] <xiam> jaja
[06:36] <errr> fwiw the - isnt needed in your tar commands
[06:37] <bob2> yes, but it's a good habit
[06:37] <errr> ok
[06:37] <bob2> making it optional is a bug, imho :)
[06:38] <errr> hmmm.... freedom to choose a bug :p
[06:38] <xiam> xD
[06:41] <dee> bob2 what was the point to put eh f int here?
[06:41] <dee> -xf  < whast the f do
[06:41] <errr> file
[06:41] <dee> I know x tells it to unzipp
[06:41] <bob2> no
[06:41] <bob2> x tells it to extract
[06:41] <bob2> f says "the next argument is the filename"
[06:41] <bob2> tar doesn't compress by itself
[06:42] <dee> I am there
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $ ls
[06:43] <dee> Desktop  naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar  nmap-2.00  stuff
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $ tar -xf n
[06:43] <dee> naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar  nmap-2.00
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $ tar -xf naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar
[06:43] <dee> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[06:43] <dee> tar: Skipping to next header
[06:43] <dee> tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
[06:43] <dee> tar: Read 8553 bytes from naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar
[06:43] <dee> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $
[06:43] <errr> tar xjvf
[06:43] <dee> damn i kinda just flooded/spammed
[06:43] <dee> sry
[06:43] <dee> but why diddnt this work?
[06:43] <dee> ok
[06:43] <bob2> because it's not a tar file
[06:44] <bob2> it's probably a very badly named bz2
[06:44] <bob2> run 'file naim-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2.tar' to see what it is
[06:45] <Dko> Could someone tell me how to install SDL?  I dled the rpm file and extracted the files inside.  But I don't know what to do from here.
[06:45] <bob2> er, why are you using rpms?
[06:45] <bob2> SDL is in ubuntu
[06:46] <ryanmcgregor> u'll want to install it either through apt or with a deb file, not an rpm. rpms are for rpm based distributions.
[06:46] <Dko> Well I thought I didn't have SDL because of an error a game gave me. Give me a sec
[06:46] <bob2> you probably didn't
[06:46] <bob2> but that just means you need to install
[06:46] <bob2> it
[06:46] <Dko> How would I then?
[06:48] <bob2> what do you need?
[06:48] <Dko> How to install SDL please?
[06:48] <bob2> which part of SDL?
[06:48] <Dko> Run times
[06:48] <ryanmcgregor> sudo apt-get install programname
[06:48] <bob2> hah
[06:49] <ryanmcgregor> it will automatically download it
[06:49] <bob2> er, I think the issue here is finding the package name
[06:49] <ryanmcgregor> well, what was the filename of the rpm?
[06:49] <bob2> that won't help
[06:50] <Dko> Yea I think I need to know the package name
[06:50] <ryanmcgregor> try searching for sdl in synaptic, you might stumble upon what you need
[06:50] <bob2> libsdl1.2debian-all looks like a start
[06:50] <bob2> Dko: what games is this?
[06:51] <Dko> Eternal Lands
[06:56] <andrew> if there is a security hole in a package in universe, am i stuck with this package?
[06:57] <crimsun> yes.
[06:57] <Dko> If libsdl1.2debian and libsdl1.2debian-oss are both got green boxes next to them snynaptic it means there installed right?
[06:57] <crimsun> granted, if it's from universe, chances are it's from sid's pool, and sid gets package fixes rather quickly.
[06:57] <crimsun> (though not as quickly as woody or warty)
[06:57] <andrew> so in that case compiling from source would be the only option?
[06:58] <andrew> crimsun: ok so you can use unstable package?
[06:58] <andrew> (s
[06:58] <andrew> )
[06:59] <bob2> not generally
[06:59] <ryanmcgregor> crimsun: i think what he is asking is if it is fixed in sid, will the ubuntu team add the fixed package to universe
[06:59] <bob2> not for warty
[06:59] <crimsun> for hoary, sometimes the fixed package is available in universe sooner than in sid
[07:00] <andrew> ok.  so if i want to stay secure with unstable packages, i should subscribe to debian-security-announce to hear when there are vulnerabilities in unstable as well?
[07:01] <andrew> er, the first "unstable" should be "universe"
[07:01] <crimsun> normally security announcements are prioritized for 'stable' packages
[07:01] <Dko> Alright. SDL seams to be installed. But I get this error when I try to install Eternal Lands. error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0:
[07:01] <andrew> yea
[07:01] <crimsun> if they happen to affect packages in 'unstable', too, then it's a note in the DSA
[07:01] <bob2> d-s-a doesn't have advisories for packages in sid
[07:02] <ryanmcgregor> is the ubuntu team going to add more packages to the main branch then....cause it is rather limited at the moment
[07:02] <bob2> what crimsun said
[07:02] <ryanmcgregor> ?
[07:02] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: yes
[07:02] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: what isn't there that you want
[07:03] <bob2> Dko: instakk libsdl-net1.2
[07:03] <ryanmcgregor> bob2: hold on, checking synaptic to see what i have installed from universe
[07:03] <andrew> i mostly use totem, mozilla-firefox, emacs, open-office, gaim, xchat, and python for apps.
[07:03] <andrew> thinking about switching to ubuntu
[07:04] <ryanmcgregor> if it doesnt have the ubuntu symbol in synaptic, it is not in the main branch, right?
[07:04] <bob2> no idea, I don't use synaptic
[07:07] <andrew> ubuntu main is actually a good selection of apps
[07:07] <andrew> doesn't have all the little exotic things, but still it has a lot
[07:07] <calc> missing useful stuff like clamav ;)
[07:08] <calc> also gstreamer totem is about useless
[07:08] <bob2> due to patent issues
[07:08] <ryanmcgregor> ok, here goes: abiword (i like it for small files as i am on a slow computer), digikam, gpdf, guarddog (i hate firestarter), kooka (xsane is confusing), a bunch of libraries needed for nvu to install, a bunch of libraries needed for mplayer to compile, xawtv, xmms-skins to name a few
[07:08] <calc> patent issues that even an overzealous group like debian ignore
[07:09] <Dko> Gehh. ><  apt-get install doesn't work. It doens't seam to be a normal pakage.
[07:09] <bob2> debian doesn't have a suable company
[07:09] <calc> and we all know how overzealous debian-legal can be
[07:09] <bob2> Dko: "doesn't work"?
[07:09] <mike_dougla1> andrew: I built gtk2 emacs-cvs packages if you want them. A lot better on the eyes (without having to run it in gnome-terminal)
[07:09] <bob2> calc: no, debian-legal ignores patents almost entirely
[07:09] <calc> and fhg is suing lots of mp3 decoder companies
[07:09] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: none of those seem support=critical
[07:09] <bob2> er, s/=/-/
[07:09] <calc> bob2: is that why most patented stuff isn't in debian like lame, ffmpeg, etc?
[07:10] <bob2> calc: mpeg-4 and mp3 are enforced patents
[07:10] <ryanmcgregor> bob2: what about guarddog....or is updating iptables good enough?
[07:10] <bob2> calc: probably every single bit of software in main violates some patent
[07:10] <Dko> It basically says it can't find the package libsdl-net1.2
[07:10] <andrew> mike_dougla1: no thanks, mike_dougla1.  i'm not running ubuntu yet, just considering it.  appreciate it.
[07:10] <bob2> Dko: it's in universe
[07:10] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: hm, what about it?
[07:11] <calc> bob2: yes
[07:11] <calc> and so what is ubuntu doing releasing software ;)
[07:11] <wasabi_> I just noticed warty-updates.
[07:11] <wasabi_> SHould I be using archive.u.c or security.u.c for it?
[07:11] <calc> also does ubuntu disable the font hinting stuff in freetype or else apple might sue them ;)
[07:11] <Dko> whats universe?
[07:11] <calc> its enabled in regular builds last time i checked
[07:11] <ryanmcgregor> bob2: well it is a firewall, a security hole in a firewall seems serious to me
[07:12] <crimsun> wasabi_: either
[07:12] <andrew> the hyperlink is also patented
[07:12] <andrew> so we're all doomed...
[07:12] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: it's not a firewall, it's a tool for creating firewall rules
[07:12] <miggumike> how do i mount my mac volume in linux?
[07:12] <andrew> what is ubuntu running for service by default? (i hope none)
[07:13] <andrew> i mean tcp/ip services
[07:13] <bob2> andrew: "service"?  nothing listens on external ips.
[07:14] <Dko> Im sorry for making this so difficult.  But im a newb to linux. >< What is universe?  I don't remember if it was installed by default...
[07:15] <bob2> Dko: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:15] <bob2> andrew: you don't need to uninstall it, just configure it to only listen on loopback
[07:15] <miggumike> does anyone know how do i mount my mac volume in linux?
[07:16] <andrew> ok thanks a lot for answering my questions
[07:17] <andrew> have a good night everyone
[07:17] <bob2> miggumike: depends what sort of "mnac volume" it is
[07:17] <miggumike> bob2: how can i find out what it is?
[07:18] <bob2> miggumike: you didn't create it?
[07:18] <bob2> is it HFS or UFS?
[07:18] <miggumike> hfs?
[07:18] <miggumike> i don't remember anything about that
[07:18] <miggumike> ufs maybe
[07:19] <bob2> sudo mount -t ufs /dev/wherever /mnt/
[07:20] <Dko> Ok im in Synaptic.  The only Universe I see is Development (universe) and Base System (universe) Neigther have the package im looking for. ><
[07:23] <nevyn> what are you looking for?
[07:24] <miggumike> i mounted /sys
[07:24] <Dko> libsdl-net1.2
[07:24] <miggumike> is osx in there?
[07:25] <Dko> Im just about to say screw it.
[07:26] <Shufla> hello :D
[07:27] <miggumike> everything is locked
[07:28] <miggumike> how can i get su access to my files on my osx partition
[07:28] <miggumike> ?
[07:28] <Dko> Yep im not gona get this damn game going -_-
[07:29] <Shufla> miggumike: which partition contains osx files?
[07:29] <miggumike> hda3
[07:30] <Shufla> miggumike: show here mount | grep hda3
[07:32] <siimo> can someone help me with setting permissions for cd burning ?
[07:33] <miggumike>  show here mount | grep hda3
[07:33] <miggumike> /dev/hda3 on /mnt type hfsplus (rw)
[07:34] <Shufla> miggumike: ls -ld /mnt
[07:35] <miggumike> drwxrwxr-t  1 root 80 36 2004-12-18 05:57 /mnt
[07:36] <siimo> hmmm ?
[07:37] <techn9ne> what are the min. requirements to run ubuntu?
[07:37] <techn9ne> i tried setting it up on a p200 w/ 16mb. ram and the installer just hung up
[07:37] <miggumike> 16mb ram?
[07:37] <mike_dougla1> that amount of ram is way too low
[07:37] <techn9ne> yea 16
[07:37] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:38] <techn9ne> well it runs windows 98
[07:38] <miggumike> what is on that computer now?
[07:38] <techn9ne> its capable of running an OS w/ a gui
[07:38] <miggumike> 16?
[07:38] <fabbione> iirc it should be possible to install with 16Mb of ram
[07:38] <crimsun> you can do it with 16, but you must create swap as soon as parted udeb is loaded.
[07:38] <aj> debian needs 32ish i think, ubuntu'd be similar probably; 64-128 would be safer
[07:38] <crimsun> it is possible, I tested several weeks ago
[07:38] <Shufla> techn9ne: you've got to setup swap BEFORE starting installation process. you've got to start installation in expert mode
[07:38] <techn9ne> im just really scared of hooking a windows98 computer into internet
[07:38] <miggumike> shufla: do you know what i can do to get into the locked folders?
[07:39] <miggumike> it's locking out my music and movies
[07:39] <ryanmcgregor> I have a question. I am an idiot, and accidently deleted some files from a program I compiled...if I just recompile the program and issue make install, will it just overwrite any files that happen to be left over?
[07:39] <aj> isn't using swap at that point horrifically slow?
[07:39] <miggumike> the two things i want
[07:39] <Shufla> miggumike: ok, i know. but i tell you how to access information, not solution :d
[07:40] <miggumike> =)
[07:40] <Shufla> miggumike: well, type man mount and find section with hfs. there's option, which allows you to change permissions of mounted drive. it will be `umask' or similiar. you may set umask to 000 and then there'll be read/write access to ALL users
[07:40] <techn9ne> ryanmcgregor : yes im pretty sure it will
[07:40] <Shufla> miggumike: you've got to type that umask in option field in /etc/fstab, then umount & mount /mnt
[07:40] <ryanmcgregor> techn9ne: thx....ill run and do that, just wanted to make sure before i made the problem worse :P
[07:40] <techn9ne> has any one ever got flashmx to work w/ wine?
[07:40] <techn9ne> ive been trying everything and it wont work
[07:40] <miggumike> ok i'll give it a shot
[07:41] <Shufla> techn9ne: <joke>on this 16mb ram machine?</joke> :D
[07:41] <techn9ne> lol no... this one im on has 512
[07:42] <techn9ne> i was running the 16mb. ram machine earlier... was PAINFUL slow
[07:42] <techn9ne> hd sounded like it was having a heart attack
[07:43] <Shufla> techn9ne: well. i'm working right now on pii 400 @ 64MB ram and slow disk. it's painful... i suppose, that 16mb will be worse, unusable... (with X...)
[07:43] <techn9ne> gnome or xfe?
[07:43] <techn9ne> i figured if it ran win98 i could run xfe on it
[07:44] <miggumike> only thing i can find is hpfs
[07:44] <Shufla> techn9ne: gnome right now. but i've got to develop SQL-mini-app here, horrible :D
[07:45] <techn9ne> gnome seems much faster than kde
[07:47] <techn9ne> i have a suse machine too and seems kinda clunky
[07:48] <Shufla> huh
[07:48] <Shufla> the problem is with so many diffrent libraries for any application: firefox - own, openoffice - own, gnome - own, k3b - own :D
[07:48] <Shufla> even half gig of ram is nor enough :/
[07:49] <techn9ne> kde has good intergration w/ kde apps
[07:49] <techn9ne> firefox didnt run well on it
[07:49] <Shufla> indeed
[07:50] <techn9ne> suse 9.2 is the nicest looking linux desktop i have ever seen though
[07:50] <Shufla> techn9ne: when it will be avaiable for free? like 9.1 with tricky, but possibile installation?
[07:51] <techn9ne> i dunno i used torrents to get it a few days after it came out
[07:51] <techn9ne> i heard rumors of jan-feb
[07:51] <Shufla> :D
[07:51] <Shufla> late :/
[07:51] <techn9ne> its not pirating when its gpl
[07:52] <Shufla> nope!
[07:52] <Shufla> it's pirating :D
[07:52] <techn9ne> oh well whatever. im not from us.
[07:52] <Shufla> accordin to license you are not allowed to download/copy isos :D
[07:52] <Shufla> me too :D
[07:52] <mike_dougla1> actually it is. SUSE 9.2 has some proprietary software on it
[07:52] <techn9ne> p2p apps and mp3 downloading is legal in my country.
[07:53] <techn9ne> big loophole. americans were pretty angry when it got challenged in court.
[07:53] <techn9ne> actually not americans... the RIAA
[07:54] <bob2> anyway, this is off-topic
[07:54] <Shufla> all ppl are supported, entry-level-supporter are just chatting :D
[07:54] <Shufla> and comapring gnome & kde uis :D
[07:55] <techn9ne> k3b should be ported to gnome
[07:55] <techn9ne> thats what i really miss from suse
[07:55] <nevyn> techn9ne: kdevelop.
[07:55] <nevyn> techn9ne: kde applications play nice under gnome.
[07:56] <nevyn> techn9ne: now if only gnome applications didn't still trash all my fonts and stuff when I start one in kde.
[07:56] <Shufla> but they need set of not needed libs, that aren't need for gnome (and areN'T supported by ubuntu:()
[07:57] <nevyn> indeed they're not.
[07:57] <nevyn> but they play nice.. unlike vica versa
[07:57] <techn9ne> how difficult is to make an app for qt and gtk simutaneously ?
[07:57] <techn9ne> are libraries that much diff?
[07:57] <nevyn> techn9ne: hard.
[07:58] <nevyn> twice the gui code.
[07:58] <Shufla> btw - are there plans to deploy ubuntu-like-philosophy server oriented system?
[07:58] <techn9ne> i dont know what the point would be... if you wnat a server use debian
[07:59] <Shufla> never ending testing with twenty not properlly prepared MTAs? :d
[07:59] <bob2> Shufla: ubuntu is server-oriented!
[08:00] <techn9ne> ubuntu is based on debian-unstable
[08:00] <Shufla> bob2: hm... i've prepared document for almost dream server oriented system. but it's in polish and my english skills are to low to translate it :(
[08:01] <cef> hrm.. anyone using hoary and nvidia's driver? preferably the one hoary ships
[08:02] <Shufla> damn... dpkg is running... damn... even mouse cursor is inresponsive :/
[08:02] <pitti> cef: I just tried, failed
[08:02] <pitti> cef: worked fine before the conference
[08:02] <cef> pitti: same
[08:02] <cef> well, I get issues with glx stuff
[08:02] <bob2> Shufla: sounds like you don't have dma enabled on your drive
[08:02] <Shufla> bob2: low end machine
[08:03] <bob2> ouchy
[08:03] <cef> standard 2d works, 3d has issues.. *sigh*
[08:03] <Shufla> bob2: hdparm is tweaked to maximum
[08:08] <siimo> hi i can burn as root but cannot as user can someone please help?
[08:09] <siimo> i keep getting these errors Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Permission denied)
[08:09] <siimo> even though my cd writer is hdd
[08:09] <Shufla> siimo: what is your cd-burner app?
[08:10] <siimo> Shufla, gnomebaker but it uses cdrecord
[08:11] <siimo> the program fails to detect the cd burner when opened as user
[08:11] <siimo> is this something to do with the cdrecord permissions
[08:12] <miggumike> what is the command?
[08:12] <siimo> Shufla, any ideas?
[08:12] <miggumike> sudo mount -hfsplus /etc/dva3 /mnt/
[08:12] <cef> daniels: you broke xorg again? sheesh!
[08:12] <bob2> miggumike: didn't I tell you the exact command an hour ago?
[08:13] <fabbione> cef: what is broken?
[08:13] <miggumike> bob2: it's not working
[08:13] <miggumike> do i have it right?
[08:13] <miggumike> i didn't write it down
[08:14] <fabbione> i need to get coffee and a shower
[08:14] <fabbione> ops
[08:14] <bob2> 16:19:37           bob2 | sudo mount -t ufs /dev/wherever /mnt/
[08:14] <miggumike> ahhh dev
[08:14] <miggumike> thanks
[08:14] <bob2> you may need a -o option, but you'll have to read the manpage to check
[08:15] <cef> fabbione: .so loading
[08:15] <fabbione> cef: what xorg version?
[08:16] <fabbione> because he uploaded -7 and then -8 with a similar fix
[08:16] <cef> -8 is broken
[08:16] <cef> bug report 4818
[08:16] <cef> so no glx for nvidia people *sigh*
[08:17] <fabbione> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:17] <fabbione> that looks like a nvidia bug....
[08:17] <Shufla> ok, got to code. have a nice day
[08:17] <fabbione> but i will take a look to it later
[08:17] <fabbione> ah amd64
[08:18] <cef> fabbione: I still blame daniels *grin*
[08:18] <fabbione> CRAP
[08:18] <fabbione> i blame gtk :)
[08:18] <cef> but I've got a similar problem with plain x86
[08:19] <fabbione> i will test on x86
[08:19] <fabbione> i don't have amd64
[08:19] <fabbione> bbl
[08:19] <calc> poor fabbione ;)
[08:19] <cef> fabbione: I'm using a k7 here, and no luck with glx at all
[08:19] <cef> fabbione: if you need me to test stuff, just ask
[08:20] <fabbione> cef: i will
[08:20] <calc> i have amd64 here but no nvidia
[08:20] <fabbione> but i don't really care too much about GLX being broken on an unstable branch
[08:20] <cef> heh
[08:20] <fabbione> specially with NVIDIA crap on the way
[08:22] <cef> ??
[08:22] <emschwar> I assume there's a known bug with gnome right now; is there a workaround?
[08:26] <siimo> hi can someone help i can only burn in warty (with cdrecord/GnomeBaker) as root
[08:27] <bob2> gcombust works fine
[08:28] <siimo> bob2, its not a specific program its all programs that use cdrecord only work as root for me
[08:28] <bob2> are you using a kernel you built yourself?
[08:29] <siimo> bob2, no im using default warty
[08:29] <siimo> fresh install an hour or 2 ago
[08:30] <siimo> do i have to change some permissions manually? im not experienced with this before
[08:30] <nessmuk> i'm wondering about running Beatrix off usb. Some are advising me that swap can heavy use for usb, may be short-term reliable, Any comments
[08:31] <bob2> nessmuk: #beatrix
[08:32] <nessmuk> bob...yeah....sorry wrong tab :)
[08:32] <emschwar> so, gnome seems hung whilst logging in.  I can't file a bug, unfortunately, because links doesn't have javascript.  Is this known, and is there a workaround?
[08:32] <siimo> is there such thing as cdburning group in ubuntu
[08:33] <bob2> siimo: no
[08:35] <siimo> hmmm
[08:35] <siimo> does the default warty kernel have the cd burning bug
[08:36] <adbak> siimo: i do believe
[08:36] <qs_> <------------ RuffianSoldier
[08:37] <qs_> whats wrong with ntp?
[08:37] <siimo> im downloading linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-k7
[08:37] <bob2> qs_: it's a fine protocol
[08:37] <qs_> bob2 - no - ntp.ubuntulinux.org is screwed up!
[08:37] <siimo> can someone post output of ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord
[08:37] <qs_> it took 4 mins at syncronize clock part of boot
[08:37] <qs_> then told me it was messed up
[08:38] <bob2> qs_: works for me
[08:38] <bob2> qs_: sounds like you have a local network problem
[08:38] <bob2> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 133 2004-10-29 06:14 /usr/bin/cdrecord
[08:38] <qs_> bob2 - im about to call my ISP - frriggen disconnects and spikes left and right - its making me mad!
[08:38] <siimo> bob2, thats same as me
[08:39] <liquidboy> sorry for being such a noob, but what is a repository?
[08:39] <bob2> a http or ftp site that serves ubuntu packages
[08:40] <adbak> a repository (a.k.a. repo) is pool of packages that ubuntu uses
[08:40] <emschwar> so, no clues about gnome then :-\
[08:41] <bob2> emschwar: does it affect a new user?
[08:42] <emschwar> bob2: good question, let me see.
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - what is ntp anyway?  I just found out about it (you know)
[08:43] <liquidboy> ok, thanks
[08:43] <liquidboy> :)
[08:43] <emschwar> bob2: apparently not.
[08:43] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: network time protocol, a way for your clock to be synchronised to a very accurate clock somewhere else
[08:43] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:46] <liquidboy> how do i get synaptic to search the repositories? when i do a search, it only finds stuff already on my hd...
[08:46] <calc> RuffianSoldier: its the thing winxp uses as well if you click on the clock and see "Internet Time"
[08:46] <emschwar> bob2: with a gnome failsafe session, the bottom panel loads, but the top one still hangs.
[08:46] <RuffianSoldier> aaaah
[08:46] <bob2> emschwar: ok
[08:46] <emschwar> but for a new user, there's no problems
[08:47] <calc> unix has had ntp forever, ms just added it with xp
[08:47] <calc> its nice never to worry about what time your system thinks it is ;)
[08:50] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, i'm having a problem with any video that I watch in totem-xine, the playback is laggy then the window is inlarged or in fullscreen.
[08:50] <netsplit> Maybe the CPU is too slow to keep up.
[08:51] <Mojo_Jojo> it's a P4 3ghz with hyperthreading :D
[08:52] <Mojo_Jojo> also this is on a laptop, but it should play them just fine.
[08:53] <techn9ne> firefox is brocken how do i load it up in safe mode?
[08:53] <bob2> it has a 'safe mode'?
[08:53] <emschwar> hrm... looks like the top panel is stopped in a call to futex()
[08:53] <techn9ne> its saying this to me : /usr/bin/firefox: line 271: [: : integer expression expected
[08:54] <bob2> what have you changed since it last worked?
[08:56] <liquidboy> um, ive just read the "enable universe in synaptic package manager" it didnt do anything
[08:56] <liquidboy> " From your desktop select Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager you will be asked to enter your password. Goto Settings > Repositories you will see (2) grayed out boxes click both of them, then click the Reload button."
[08:56] <bob2> "didn't do anything"?
[08:57] <liquidboy> there were 3 greyd out boxes. i clicked them all, pressed reload and...
[08:57] <liquidboy> nothing
[08:59] <liquidboy> how do i get synaptic to search online?
[08:59] <siimo> bob2, what kernel u running exactly?
[09:00] <bob2> liquidboy: it searches the package database, presumably
[09:00] <bob2> siimo: whatever's in hoary
[09:00] <siimo> hmmm
[09:00] <siimo> im more and more suspecious the kernel is cauing my burning problem
[09:01] <siimo> as i chmod u+s cdrecord and it still doesnt work
[09:01] <siimo> but it does work when i run it as root
[09:01] <liquidboy> i don't get the purpose of it then... i thought it was an easy way of downloading new software, but it only lists the software i already have...
[09:02] <liquidboy> im probably missing something really obvious
[09:02] <liquidboy> :P
[09:02] <netsplit> liquidboy: bad answer but you could just use apt-get like everyone else.
[09:02] <liquidboy> yeah
[09:03] <nyktovus> how do you add things to a menu?
[09:08] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - ya - your right - network problem - I am having alot of trouble today - prolly from the fuse blowing so my modem resets
[09:13] <siimo> how do i re-install nvidia after upgrading kernel?
[09:14] <siimo> following the same instructions doesnt work
[09:14] <siimo> and i did install the default kernel from warty security
[09:15] <siimo> anyone
[09:18] <bob2> install te matching linux-restricted-modules package
[09:19] <lhb_> siimo: well, for me it did it automatically as far as i know
[09:19] <lhb_> siimo: nvidia screen comes up like normally before the kernel change
[09:20] <siimo> lhb_, but i have a <IP_ADDRESS>-3 and a <IP_ADDRESS>-4-k7
[09:21] <lhb_> me too
[09:21] <siimo> if i try to remove <IP_ADDRESS>-3-i386 then it wants to install <IP_ADDRESS>-4-i386
[09:21] <siimo> but i already have k7
[09:21] <siimo> i dont need 386
[09:21] <lhb_> true, i just leave it, doesnt bother me
[09:22] <siimo> yeah but ubuntu is thinking the old one is my default kernel so it wont reinstall nvidia
[09:22] <lhb_> mmmm.....
[09:23] <bob2> you don't need to 'reinstall' things
[09:23] <siimo> what is the difference between linux-image-2.6-386  and linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386
[09:23] <siimo> first package is small
[09:23] <bob2> just install the correct linux-restricted-modules package
[09:23] <bob2> the first one Depends on the latest version of the latter
[09:23] <siimo> how does the k7 kernel come into it
[09:24] <bob2> I don't know why you're trying to install that
[09:24] <siimo> because i run a k7 processor
[09:24] <siimo> ?
[09:26] <siimo> this package is split into too many bits
[09:27] <siimo> ok figured it out finally
[09:27] <bob2> it's not split into any bits
[09:27] <bob2> the linux-restricted-modules stuff is non-free stuff from outside the kernel
[09:27] <siimo> well why do we need it?
[09:28] <bob2> "we" don't
[09:28] <siimo> then why install it
[09:28] <bob2> some people want it because they have hardware that requires non-free drivers
[09:29] <siimo> ok
[09:29] <siimo> i dont need it then i guess
[09:33] <lhb_> kudos for ubuntu!!! quickcam worked without any funnies!!!
[09:42] <Shufla> re :D
[09:46] <khadyoung> Anyone have any good suggestions for an Ubuntu-friendly hardware audio player (pref with OGG support)
[09:48] <khadyoung> I have considered an iPod but they are very expensive and I am pretty sure I would like OGG support
[09:55] <Shufla> khadyoung: (non OSS-spirit) i suggest that you instal mp3 encoder/decoder - mp3 based players are cheaper...
[09:55] <Shufla> s/instal/acquire/
[10:06] <khadyoung> Shufla, the only OGG player I have been able to find so far is actually cheaper than comparable MP3 only players.
[10:10] <Shufla> khadyoung: oh. ok :) sorry for misinformation :D
[10:13] <khadyoung> It looks as though the iRiver H3xx series operates as an external hard drive. I would assume Ubuntu could mount it when plugged in without any problems. Anybody any experience?
[10:17] <steven__> daniels: you there?
[10:17] <anon26> hey all
[10:18] <anon26> anyone know how i can add applications to the menu?
[10:18] <seb128> warty or hoary ?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> configuration editor?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> i think thats what its called
[10:19] <daniels> steven__: sup
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> anyway - goodnight
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> hey daniels - goodnight
[10:19] <anon26> anyone know how i can add applications to the menu in hoary?
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> anon26 - i think its called configuration editor
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: reply to my question first
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> it will help you with that
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: oh, hoary
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[10:20] <steven__> daniels: i installed xorg ubuntu7 and now X crashes on couldn't open module (bitmap|pcidata)
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: no tools to do that
[10:20] <anon26> :(
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: if you install menu and menu-xdg you'll get a debian submenu in applications with all the entries
[10:21] <RuffianSoldier> G'night all
[10:21] <seb128> or you can add some .desktop file by hand in ~/.local/share/applications
[10:21] <anon26> nah i just want to add one app to the menu, but i don't want to add aditional menu entries
[10:22] <seb128> anon26: just create a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications so
[10:22] <seb128> anon26: the menu system has been rewritten, but there is no editor for the new system atm
[10:22] <seb128> base first, tools then
[10:23] <anon26> ok but what should the .desktop file contain?
[10:24] <aeruder> steven__how long ago?
[10:24] <ogra> anon26: just copy one from a existing entry and modify it ....
[10:24] <steven__> aeruder: upgraded yseterday, today it crashes
[10:25] <anon26> ok i'll give that a try brb
[10:25] <steven__> aeruder: i just noticed that there's a ubuntu8 version, downloading it now
[10:25] <aeruder> steven__: yes.. i had heard someone say that that was fixed today
[10:25] <ogra> anon26: best is to take one that is already in the same menu you want your new entry in
[10:25] <steven__> k ta
[10:26] <anon26> ok i went into ~/.local.... but there aren't any .desktop files in there to use as a template
[10:27] <steven__> anon26: the .desktops are in /usr/share/applications iirc
[10:27] <ogra> anon26: just copy one from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications
[10:28] <seb128_> anon26:
 anon26: copy one from /usr/share/applications
 anon26: basically a Name, Comment, Categories
 and the Command to run /the icon
[10:28] <seb128_> --- Disconnected ().
[10:32] <daniels> steven__: yes, ubuntu7 is broken; ubuntu8 fixes it
[10:33] <steven__> k
[10:33] <anon26> ok edited the desktop file which is in ~/.local.....
[10:34] <anon26> now how do i get it to appear in the menu?
[10:36] <steven__> daniels: very well, it is solved, will try the multimonitor later today
[10:36] <fabbione> hey daniels
[10:36] <fabbione> daniels: did you get my sms?
[10:36] <ogra> anon26: if the categories are right, it should appear automatically, if not, restart your panel (kill it)
[10:37] <Adrenal> provided it is in xpm.gz format, can i compress any image and use it as the grub background by using the same steps as shown in the wiki art page?
[10:37] <daniels> fabbione: nope, phone got stolen on saturday
[10:38] <anon26> ok
[10:38] <fabbione> AH
[10:38] <nessmuk> steven__ ubuntu is v.4.10 on the home page. What's this about 8?
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: 4818
[10:38] <ogra> Adrenal: you will have to reduce the colors etc. there is a howto on the debian installer site
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: and if you can kindly commit -8 to baz
[10:41] <anon26> nope still nothing
[10:41] <anon26> this is the file
[10:41] <anon26> [Desktop Entry]
[10:41] <anon26> Encoding=UTF-8
[10:41] <anon26> Name=Tux Racer
[10:41] <anon26> GenericName=Tux Racer
[10:41] <anon26> Comment=Slide down slopes eating herring
[10:41] <anon26> Exec=tuxracer
[10:41] <anon26> Icon=tuxracer.xpm
[10:41] <anon26> Terminal=false
[10:42] <anon26> Type=Application
[10:42] <anon26> Categories=Application;Games;
[10:42] <anon26> StartupNotify=true
[10:42] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, I've just triaged 4818, and it's a non-fatal (i.e. only kills 3D, there is a workaround), and I actually wrote a local fix last night, mainly by accident
[10:42] <daniels> fabbione: and -8 is in baz, foo ;)
[10:42] <cef> daniels: workaround? where?
[10:42] <cef> daniels: affects i386 as well btw, not just amd64
[10:42] <daniels> cef: ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.{so,a}
[10:43] <daniels> cef: yeah, I took lib%s.so out of the search path, not realising that nvidia-glx is rather crackful
[10:43] <fabbione> daniels: it wasn't this morning ;)
[10:43] <cef> daniels: aha!
[10:43] <daniels> fabbione: hmmm, I committed it last night ... oh no, wait, I didn't
[10:43] <daniels> fabbione: i typed 'baz commit', but my time at the internet cafe ran out
[10:43] <cef> daniels: yeah I can imagine.. cool
[10:44] <daniels> fabbione: btw, that 'deal with pci domains that don't start at 0' hack adds a lazy 15000 file opens
[10:44] <daniels> they're almost entirely to /proc, so it's not that bad
[10:44] <daniels> but 500 -> 15500 is a big jump
[10:44] <fabbione> hmmm
[10:45] <fabbione> daniels: well.. what is worst?
[10:46] <daniels> fabbione: hm?
[10:47] <cef> daniels: what should be the destination for that link? cos it doesn't work for the users home dir.
[10:48] <fabbione> daniels: what is worst? opening 15500 files or not fixing that bug?
[10:50] <daniels> fabbione: i dare say not fixing that bug :) i'm not arguing with it being fixed
[10:50] <daniels> i think we can do it better, though
[10:50] <daniels> doing an os.readdir()
[10:50] <daniels> i don't think the /proc/pci walking is too cpu-expensive, but i dunno
[10:50] <daniels> cef: huh?
[10:50] <daniels> cef: you need to link libglx.a -> libglx.so within /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions
[10:50] <cef> aha.. ok
[10:51] <anon26> thaks for the help guys, evryting works now
[10:56] <douglas> is the wiki with some problems ?
[10:56] <douglas> when i try to login it doenst repond...
[11:03] <imka> pm me for gmail invites!
[11:04] <fabbione> imka: that is wat offtopic
[11:05] <fabbione> way even
[11:06] <PeG> how can i capture my desktop? But only the application active
[11:06] <alexissoft> hi
[11:08] <pisuke> peg, take a screenshot and crop it with the gimp
[11:08] <PeG> :)
[11:08] <PeG> tx
[11:10] <joh_> How is ubuntu suited for server use?
[11:11] <cef> there is a minimal install available for servers
[11:12] <daniels> Gman: hey dude
[11:12] <Gman> hey daniel
[11:12] <joh_> do you recommend Ubuntu for server, instead of Debian Sarge?
[11:12] <jo> Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to put a banner concerning EU software patents on the Ubuntu webpage. It seems they want to approve software patents in the EU before the end of this year! More information: http://demo.ffii.org/
[11:13] <daniels> joh_: yes
[11:13] <daniels> Gman: how's things?
[11:14] <jo> joh_, I think Ubuntu is and will remain to be more "up-to-date" than Sarge
[11:14] <joh_> yea, but Sarge might be more stable for server use?
[11:14] <cef> joh: unlike sarge (currently), ubuntu has support and security updates
[11:15] <joh_> cef, ahh, I understand. Only woody and Ubuntu has that now
[11:15] <joh_> And Woody is a little... old
[11:16] <Gman> daniels, pretty cruisey dude...winding down for christmas fortunately
[11:16] <Gman> daniels, how's about you?
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: nice :) just chilling in barcelona atm
[11:19] <Gman> daniels, conference went well?
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: yeah, really well thanks
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: just relaxing in the holiday aftermath now
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: chatting to people back home
[11:19] <Gman> you get home for christmas?
[11:20] <daniels> yeah, christmas eve
[11:20] <Gman> sweet
[11:20] <Gman> daniels, jetlagged zombie for christmas day then? :)
[11:21] <ctd> isn't daniels already half a zombie from X hacking?
[11:21] <cef> daniels: what time you getting in?
[11:21] <cef> ctd: actually he's a whole zombie, but we don't usually mention it. *grin*
[11:22] <daniels> cef: 6:20am!  whoo!
[11:23] <cef> daniels: heh.. cab from the airport fun eh?
[11:23] <daniels> Gman: yeah.  get in 6:20 to like fifty degree weather, catch up with my little sister (5) before she leaves at about lunchtime, then go see other people for the day, then jump on the train to take a 200km journey up to mum's, crash, wake up early for christmas with all the family.
[11:23] <daniels> cef: heh, getting picked up, mercifully
[11:24] <cef> fun fun fun
[11:24] <ctd> cef: He was only 1/2 zombified the times I've seen him.
[11:24] <Gman> daniels, nutball
[11:24] <daniels> Gman: well, yeah
[11:24] <ctd> cef: He must return to full zombification only in vic, aye?
[11:25] <cef> ctd: heh
[11:25] <cef> daniels: gimme that stick.. after what you keep doing to xorg, you deserve a beating from most of us! *grin*
[11:26] <cef> hang on.. better not.. he'll probably enjoy it
[11:27] <stvn> daniels: xorg ubuntu8 doesn't solve the laptop+external screen problem
[11:28] <liquidboy> anyone here got time to help me with synaptic?
[11:28] <daniels> stvn: does Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,CRT", resolve the problem?
[11:29] <stvn> let's try, device option?
[11:30] <daniels> device section, yah
[11:30] <stvn> moment
[11:32] <siimo> does anyone use eclise here?
[11:33] <siimo> eclipse
[11:33] <stvn> daniels: yes, the laptop screen comes up fine and the external screen gets the same image
[11:33] <siimo> sorry