[02:16] <callmepk> good morning
[02:17] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:24] <callmepk> hi duflu
[06:53] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:54] <duflu> Morning jibel and oSoMoN
[06:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:54] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:55] <jibel> salut oSoMoN duflu
[07:01] <jpnurmi> good morning
[07:02] <duflu> Morning jpnurmi
[07:13] <oSoMoN> good morning jpnurmi
[07:18] <jpnurmi> hi duflu and oSoMoN
[07:30] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN duflu jibel jpnurmi
[07:39] <jpnurmi> hi ricotz
[07:47] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[07:54] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[08:12] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:13] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:19] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter pristine-tar d2f1a9a Simon McVittie mutter_3.38.6.orig.tar.xz.delta mutter_3.38.6.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mutter_3.38.6.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3oC9N
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x f126461 Simon McVittie * pushed 18 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/SSpc
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x d5bc689 Jonas Ådahl src/wayland/meta-xwayland.c * xwayland: Make sure /tmp/.X11-unix/ exists * https://deb.li/3b5by
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x dbfdde1 Olivier Fourdan src/wayland/meta-xwayland.c * xwayland: Use defines for X11 directory and path * https://deb.li/3gYHG
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x f51c06d Olivier Fourdan src/wayland/meta-xwayland.c * xwayland: Check permissions on /tmp/.X11-unix * https://deb.li/iO35M
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x 1db75be Robert Mader src/compositor/meta-shaped-texture.c * shaped-texture: Viewport update calculation fixes * https://deb.li/kSxn
[12:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x 0b65075 Robert Mader src/compositor/region-utils.c * region-utils: Fix typo in crop_and_scale() fastpath * https://deb.li/3W5m7
[12:52] <KGB-0> mutter tags b5bd55d Simon McVittie upstream/3.38.6 * Upstream version 3.38.6 * https://deb.li/eYPU
[12:52] <KGB-0> gnome-shell pristine-tar abe5f9c Simon McVittie gnome-shell_3.38.6.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.38.6.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.38.6.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3a3uF
[12:52] <KGB-0> gnome-shell tags 776ce2d Simon McVittie upstream/3.38.6 * Upstream version 3.38.6 * https://deb.li/riKi
[12:52] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 9dfaf99 Simon McVittie * pushed 33 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3fCah
[12:52] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x f212512 Gustavo Noronha Silva src/calendar-server/gnome-shell-calendar-server.c * calendar-server: Fix double-free detection abort * https://deb.li/M7J2
[12:53] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 18a5831 Florian Müllner js/ui/audioDeviceSelection.js * audioDeviceSelection: Move a method to the new coding style ... * https://deb.li/i4YpC
[12:53] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 17a5149 Florian Müllner js/ui/audioDeviceSelection.js * audioDeviceSelection: Ensure close() is called with no arguments * https://deb.li/77vg
[12:53] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 391942d Florian Müllner js/ui/dialog.js * dialog: Ensure action callback is called with no arguments * https://deb.li/3FY7l
[12:53] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x cb59890 Florian Müllner (6 files in 5 dirs) * Bump version to 3.38.5 * https://deb.li/aCnx
[13:26] <cpaelzer> seb128: hiho, do you happen to know if jack support is on your roadmap somewhere?
[13:27] <cpaelzer> qemu got a backend for it and I wondered if this is more like "oh yeah important" or more like "not fitting into our supported sound backends anyway"
[13:33] <seb128> cpaelzer, it's not on the roadmap but maybe we get that by switching from pulseaudio to pipewire, that's probably not before the LTS now though
[13:43] <cpaelzer> yeah I'm thinking 22.04
[13:43] <cpaelzer> or do you mean >=22.10 ?
[13:44] <seb128> cpaelzer, the later, I don't think we are going to want to switch a major component like that during the LTS cycle, especially not without having a dedicated audio stack maintainer
[13:45] <cpaelzer> agreed, that gives me enough outlien to plan for right now
[13:45] <cpaelzer> thanks seb128
[14:04] <seb128> np!
[14:46] <KGB-0> gtk4 Marco Trevisan 255431 * commented commit fef14d2 * https://deb.li/AS2E
[14:56] <KGB-1> gnome-shell Marco Trevisan 255435 * commented merge request !54 * https://deb.li/TiZ2
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, seems like five-or-more snap has a buggy versioning scheme since the recent update, 0+git.194a1a5
[15:40] <seb128> the pull override hack that is used in other components is commented there for some reason?
[15:52] <kenvandine> ah, let me look
[16:49] <KGB-1> gnome-shell Gunnar Hjalmarsson 255440 * commented merge request !52 * https://deb.li/3LDaC
[16:49] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 43655bb Daniel van Vugt debian/patches/ series layout-Make-starting-in-the-overview-optional.patch * Add layout-Make-starting-in-the-overview-optional.patch * https://deb.li/0xJh
[16:59] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 9239474 Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/ changelog patches/layout-Make-starting-in-the-overview-optional.patch * Update changelog * https://deb.li/jxvx
[17:04] <hellsworth> kenvandine: seb128 the override-pull section was commented out because i put the set-version in the override-build section. seems that works sometimes but maybe not in this case.
[17:04] <hellsworth> or maybe it needs to go before the snapcraftctl build line?


[22:23] <kjcole> Stepping away til 6:30 showtime.
[22:25] <ghoulmann> ghoulmann is rik goldman.
[22:28] <ghoulmann> ^ for the log
[22:32] <kjcole> And, I'm back.
[22:32] <ghoulmann> greets.
[22:33] <ghoulmann> I'll have to run soon, but i want to thank sincerely the loco for the support for the release party, moral and otherwise.
[22:33] <kjcole> I suppose, for the log, I should also identify. Not certain if it's worth much but it can't hurt.
[22:33]  * kjcole is Kevin Cole
[22:35] <kjcole> I was so hoping that jelkner would be on, since he said he'd be running this meeting...  I'm going to operate on the assumption he'll get here soon.
[22:35] <kjcole> (I'll try calling.  BRB)
[22:36] <ghoulmann> this is something i've been working toward scripting from a lts core (turnkey linux for me): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/EdubuntuServer
[22:37] <kjcole> I just left a message.
[22:37] <ghoulmann> the launchpad link is dead, so I suspect it's not a priority any longer.
[22:38] <kjcole> ghoulmann you have photos from today, yes?  Are you on Flickr?
[22:39] <ghoulmann> kjcole: I do have a few (the photographer in me is embarassed). I will post to flickr and update on the listserv.
[22:40] <ghoulmann> phone quality, so my promise is weak.
[22:40] <kjcole> ghoulmann, I should have taken some myself (not that I'm any great shakes  with a camera).  Or, perhaps I *am* great shakes but that's *not* a good thing for photography.
[22:41]  * ghoulmann nods in understanding.
[22:42] <kjcole> I guess I'll hang for another 10 minutes or so, and if there's no action here, declare it "adjourned".
[22:42] <ghoulmann> fair enough. I'd love to see us crowd source a post install script that newkins can run and have everything they need, given how available storage is now.
[22:44] <ghoulmann> another activity: if we could take shifts on the support channels, it may be becoming for us.
[22:46] <kjcole> I find personally, that even after many years, I'm asking more questions than I answer on IRC, and I still am not enthralled with lots of simultaneous conversations. That said, yeah, I could probably put in some hours.
[22:46] <kjcole> My mind's a sieve: IEP software name again?
[22:46] <ghoulmann> I could make time somewhere. possibly incorporate it into instruction.
[22:47] <ghoulmann> iep-ipp. ISO should be on http://9while9.com (based on lucid)
[22:48] <ghoulmann> the patch is also available at the forums @ http://turnkeylinux.org
[22:49] <emaag> greets
[22:49] <kjcole> Jeff Elkner left Yorktown a few years ago to work at the Arlington Career Center, and is also doing work with Northern VA Community College.  I imagine he'll want to convert the whole beastie to Python.  Possibly Django.
[22:50] <kjcole> Ah, another voice heard from.  Welcome.  FWIW, we're doing the whole "/me is So and So" for the logs.
[22:50] <ghoulmann> also to plant a seed for ed tech folks: I'd like to put together a paper on using svn or git as a writing process tool.
[22:51] <kjcole> ghoulmann: What??? Not bzr???  ;-)
[22:51] <ghoulmann> I see; i haven't figured out ubuntu fhs standards for python web apps, so that leaves me with little to contribute.
[22:51] <ghoulmann> i associate bzr with people i am unhappy to know.
[22:51] <kjcole> FHS?
[22:52] <ghoulmann> filesystem hierarchy standard
[22:52] <kjcole> Ah.
[22:52] <ghoulmann> where to put the pages if not in /usr/share/ or /var/www
[22:53] <kjcole> I was a latecomer to revision control systems.  At an Ubuntu Developer's Summit I saw an early version of bzr and said "Oh! Not at all as complicated as I thought!  I could use that."  So that's really been the only one I've used (other than pulling from git or svn repositories elsewhere).
[22:54] <kjcole> I *did* finally get a small taste of contributing via git, through the Open Hatch on Campus event at U. Md. last month.
[22:55] <ghoulmann> i know at least one person is onto revision tracking for writing composition. I want to present something somewhere as soon as possible. Two excellent books, both from pragmatic guides, one to subversion and one on git.
[22:56] <kjcole> ghoulmann you may want to look at Open Hatch if you haven't already: http://openhatch.org/
[22:56] <ghoulmann> move peer review and feedback to bug tracking system, and you have a nice writing process program in place.
[22:56] <ghoulmann> i sure will.
[22:57] <ghoulmann> looks great.
[22:57] <kjcole> I use bzr to track my office's web pages, and now to track my Django stuff as well.
[22:58] <ghoulmann> hm, i'll track a primer down.
[22:58] <kjcole> So, emaag, thoughts on how to build a loco?
[22:59] <ghoulmann> i'll forward info about byte back's community day to the listserv. they're looking for 45 minutes of instruction from volunteers.
[22:59] <ghoulmann> (in brookland)
[22:59] <kjcole> bzr primer? http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/tutorials/bzr-intro.html
[22:59] <ghoulmann> hey look, a contribution.
[23:00] <ghoulmann> oh, 2006. still, kudos.
[23:00] <kjcole> And very basic. If you're already using svn and / or git with any fluency, you'll find the bzr primer VERY superficial.
[23:01] <ghoulmann> i am not using either with proficiency, just pulling for automating patches as necessary.
[23:01] <ghoulmann> bzr i associate exclusively with python webapps, for better or worse.
[23:02] <kjcole> Oh, then you'll definitely get some use from the primer.  A more thorough treatment can be had at:
[23:03] <kjcole> the resources listed at the end of my primer.  (I was going to type the urls, and then thought "no. Wait. I probably already did in the primer.")
[23:04] <ghoulmann> yup, saw them there. bookmarked.
[23:04] <ghoulmann> ok, gotta run, my record ended.
[23:04] <kjcole> Well, it looks like this "meeting" is you and I.   In which case, I'm thinking of wandering off to dinner. ;-)
[23:04] <ghoulmann> g'night. thanks again.
[23:04] <kjcole> Two minds with but one thought.
[23:04] <kjcole> Later dude.
[23:04] <ghoulmann> ciao.


[10:39] <Celtiore> hi
[10:39] <persia> Hey
[10:39] <Celtiore> hi persia
[10:39] <Celtiore> finally aigo mid working with ubuntu 8.04 + wifi + touchscreen :)
[10:39] <Celtiore> but i have one question
[10:40] <persia> What's that?
[10:40] <Celtiore> it is possible to build or find an 8.04 img with 'umpc' desktop
[10:40] <persia> I don't think so.
[10:40] <persia> You might be able to build one, but I think there are some things that were new in 8.10 for umpc
[10:41] <Celtiore> :(
[10:43] <persia> Yeah, well.
[10:44] <persia> We basically need drivers for the missing bits to be rebuildable against current kernel/X.
[10:44] <persia> Unfortunately, that specific HW has some restrictions, which makes it difficult.
[10:47] <Celtiore> ok
[10:51] <Celtiore> next time, i ask before here which one to buy :)
[10:52] <Celtiore> do you know if listing is avalaible for best compatibility with ubuntu mid or ubuntu umpc ?
[11:02] <persia> I don't know if there's such a listing: generally it's about checking the specs, and making sure each component is supported.  You might also try a live USB stick at the shop
[12:11] <Celtiore> hi
[12:12] <Celtiore> i try the ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img, but don't find how to install it ?! :p
[12:34] <persia> Celtiore, I don't remember just now, but there should be an "Install" option in one of the display menus.  Maybe "Preferences"?
[12:38] <Celtiore> right persia :p
[17:19] <Celtiore> hi
[17:19] <Celtiore> where can i find ' gtk-update-icon-cache '
[17:20] <Celtiore> i try to install blueman on 8.04 but i have one error
[17:21] <ogra> libgtk2.0-bin
[17:22] <Celtiore> thanks you
[17:23] <ogra> dpkg -S $(which gtk-update-icon-cache) helps btw ;)
[17:25] <Celtiore> thanks you ogra , working fine, but i have always blueman same error :(
[22:12] <lunartear> I'm in serious need of help figuring out my problem with verizon/tmobile on a blackberry dealing with tcp connections in a vmware setup if anyone is knowledgable of that kind of environment


[00:09] <bryce> if it's correct that it worked with alpha6 but not beta, then something is misfiring with how X is being set up.  hmm
[00:10] <bryce> the 1.5.1 merge was sep 24
[00:10] <bryce> timo put in a driver fallback patch sept 9, was that pre-alpha6 though?
[00:11] <bryce> tjaalton: you around? ^^
[00:11] <bryce> hmm, sept 9 was between alpha 5 and 6, so I don't think timo's patch would be to blame
[00:12] <bryce> lemme look at what went into 1.5.1
[00:14] <bryce> bdmurray: did you see any of the bugs where they posted an Xorg.0.log from their alpha6 session?
[00:14] <bryce> I'm wondering if previously the livecd put them on -vesa
[00:16] <tjaalton> bryce: there was a freeze exception for this
[00:16] <tjaalton> bryce: but it didn't get in for beta
[00:17] <bryce> tjaalton: oh you know of the fix?
[00:17] <tjaalton> bryce: it's committed alread
[00:17] <tjaalton> y
[00:17] <bryce> ah okay, what was the change?
[00:17] <tjaalton> jcristau knows more about it.. brown paper bag stuff :)
[00:18] <bryce> was it a fix to xorg-server or -nv or...?
[00:18] <tjaalton> the .ids -stuff didn't work like before
[00:18] <tjaalton> xorg-server
[00:18] <bryce> ahh
[00:19] <tjaalton> got to hit the hay, so.. have a nice weekend :)
[00:20] <bdmurray> I'm not sure I'm following everything, X is broken for some Live CD users with Beta?
[00:20] <bryce> ok, night
[00:21] <bryce> bdmurray: in the past, debian/ubuntu had it's own mechanism for mapping driver to pci id's
[00:21] <bryce> bdmurray: but with xserver 1.5, they've added code in the core system for doing this now
[00:22] <bryce> so debian has switched over to this new system, and apparently in doing so there was an issue that made it behave somewhat differently than the old system
[00:22] <jcristau> not quite
[00:23] <jcristau> when gravity's code went upstream, it was modified to look in some #defined location instead of hardcoded /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/
[00:23] <jcristau> except we didn't define it, so it didn't look anywhere at all
[00:24] <jcristau> bryce: btw look at NVIsSupported, it matches on id & 0xfff0, so it works on more cards than are explicitly listed
[00:26] <bryce> jcristau: hm, what was I not quite right about?
[00:26] <jcristau> that we switched to a new system
[00:27] <jcristau> it's the same system, just in the upstream tarball instead of debian/patches/ :)
[00:29] <bryce> bdmurray: anyway, so looks like that issue is what's causing the different detection behavior with the livecds
[00:29] <bryce> bdmurray: guess we'll be getting a lot of bug reports on this one
[00:30] <bdmurray> bryce: maybe we should get it added to the caveats then?
[00:30] <bryce> bdmurray: yeah
[00:31] <bryce> bdmurray: 261977 seems to be the master bug for this
[01:14] <bdmurray> bryce: so I'll mark bug 277452 as a dupe of 261977 and any others I find. sound good?
[01:18] <bryce> bdmurray: sounds very good
[01:19] <bryce> thanks for doing that
[01:19] <bryce> I'm working on a new git snapshot for -ati which should close a slew of bugs
[01:20] <bdmurray> bryce: yep, I might mail the bug squad too
[01:44] <wgrant> bryce: Are you aware of the -synaptics config GUI in System->Preferences-Mouse?
[01:44] <bryce> wgrant: yeah
[01:44] <bryce> wgrant: not familiar with the internals tho
[01:44] <wgrant> bryce: Just wondering why you advised LaserJock to write a fdi file for the config options exposed there.
[01:47] <bryce> wgrant: wasn't aware that synaptics was special cased
[01:48] <wgrant> bryce: Ah. Well, it turns out all of the options that he needed were exposed there.
[01:48] <bryce> great
[01:49] <bryce> mjg59 had written the synaptics gui earlier, but I didn't know it worked with input hotplug
[01:49] <wgrant> bryce: I ported it to XInput properties a couple of months ago.
[01:50] <wgrant> I believe we've even dropped the awful hack from -synaptics.
[01:50] <bryce> ok good, didn't know that
[01:52] <wgrant> LaserJock points out that we really need to fix up docs, as lots are broken by input-hotplug... I'm trying to update various Synaptics-related ones now.
[01:54] <wgrant> I wonder if I can get a UI freeze exception to add a couple of extra often wanted options to the GUI (two-finger scrolling).
[01:55] <bryce> worth a try
[01:56] <wgrant> Is that an ubuntu-release question, or some docteam?
[02:03] <bryce> hmm, I'm not sure who officially approves UI freeze exceptions, but I'd probably start by asking slangasek
[02:04] <wgrant> I just did. Thanks.
[02:10] <bryce> jcristau, tjaalton: how's -nouveau coming along in your opinion?  something we should look at for intrepid?
[02:21] <bryce> ok, sync'd it from experimental
[08:20] <tjaalton> bryce: haven't tried for a while, but it needs a snapshot of libdrm to be useful
[08:42] <tjaalton> *in a while..
[13:53] <jcristau> bryce, tjaalton: not just libdrm, nouveau needs drm modules from git
[13:58] <tjaalton> oh that too
[15:20] <tseliot> tjaalton: I'm thinking of removing (i.e. not including) nvidia-xconfig in the nvidia packages. This would fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/248327
[15:21] <tseliot> I'm also working on this (a FFE will be required for a new upstream release): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/274866
[15:21] <tseliot> tjaalton: what do you think about the problem with nvidia-xconfig?
[15:34] <tjaalton> tseliot: if there's no source for -xconfig, then dropping it might be wise
[15:36] <tseliot> tjaalton: the source is not in the nvidia installer. There is only a binary "nvidia-xconfig"
[15:36] <tjaalton> tseliot: ok, but the -settings one should be fixable?
[15:37] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, I have packaged a new release
[15:37] <tseliot> which solves the problem (at least the changes in code seem to suggest that the problem is solved)
[15:45] <superm1> tjaalton, tseliot and i were talking about the repercussions of removing nvidia-xconfig.  there are some projects that use it still (but not explicitly in rdepends), so I proposed a compatibility shim instead
[15:45] <superm1> that uses xkit to turn on the driver
[15:45] <superm1> at least basic functionality - not reimplementing "all" of nvidia-xconfig
[15:46] <tseliot> tjaalton: we should add a dependency on python-xkit (which is in main) and install a script named nvidia-xconfig to /usr/bin which enables the nvidia driver
[16:50] <mnemo> does the x.org intel driver use a frame buffer by default?
[17:31] <tjaalton> superm1, tseliot: ok, sounds like a plan
[17:45] <tseliot> ok
[17:46] <tseliot> I'll work on it
[18:45] <mnemo> if I disable DRI for the intel driver, am I still using the code from the drm and mesa repositories listed here: http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[18:45] <mnemo> ??
[18:46] <tjaalton> mnemo: no
[18:52] <crevette> hello
[18:52] <crevette> is an ubuntu repository for intel driver snapshots?
[18:57] <tjaalton> crevette: not that I know of
[18:58] <crevette> hello tjaalton
[18:58] <mnemo> tjaalton: so if DRI is disabled and I dont have the "drm" kernel module loaded... how does the xserver communicate with the graphics card?
[18:59] <tjaalton> mnemo: um, with the intel DDX driver?
[18:59] <mnemo> tjaalton: so basically the xserver is sending data directly to the graphics card then?
[19:00] <jcristau> well, yes, that's what a driver does..
[19:04] <mnemo> I got a crash on intel G45 hardware with DRI off and EXA (no compiz) and this is my xorg.log --> http://rafb.net/p/RVwNLB13.html
[19:05] <mnemo> so can I be sure that this bug is in the 2D xorg driver for intel? i.e. the xserver-xorg-video-intel code??
[19:06] <jcristau> pretty much
[19:06] <tjaalton> AIUI even the 2.5 prereleases still have bugs with G45
[19:06] <mnemo> yes I tried git head as well, same bug
[19:07] <mnemo> im trying to analyze it though so I can file a usable bug report
[19:07] <tjaalton> you should probably file it upstream too
[19:07] <mnemo> yup
[19:07] <tjaalton> thanks :)
[19:09] <mnemo> from the xorg log it seems that the ring buffer (used for sending commands to the GPU) becomes full and the intel driver loaded into xorg waits for 2 seconds and then it assumes something it wrong because the ring buffer is not being emptied/processed
[19:10] <mnemo> the code refers to this buffer as an "LP" buffer, do you know what LP means in this context?
[19:10] <mnemo> I tried to read the intel docs but "LP" is not mentioned in there
[19:14] <tjaalton> no idea


[19:28] <nacc> benguitar: i'd start with the manual, if you're really new to ubuntu
[19:28] <kernello> maybe it will fix it
[19:28] <nacc> !manual | benguitar
[19:28] <nacc> benguitar: then look around the wiki as you go based upon areas you are interested in
[19:29] <nacc> Bray90820: it froze and you were still able to get the errors?
[19:29] <nacc> Bray90820: none of those are the reason for the freeze
[19:30] <benguitar> Sweet! Thank you very much, my definite goal is to move from Logic Pro to Ardour (or Bitwig if I can afford it one day) but I'd like to use a Linux distro as my daily driver OS for everything and then maybe still have a machine with Windows on it soley for my gaming library, unless there is a good way to play Windows specific games without a performance hit.
[19:30] <Bray90820> nacc: Those are errors i pulled from syslog during the time of the error but after I rebooted
[19:31] <Bray90820> If that makes sense
[19:31] <nacc> Bray90820: *if* your system really hard froze, it will have stopped logging errors to disk
[19:31] <nacc> Bray90820: so syslog isn't useful
[19:32] <Bray90820> nacc: So then how can I further go about diagnosing the issue
[19:33] <nacc> Bray90820: I'm not sure -- for servers, I'd suggest a serial console or the IPMI/BMC console; your cherry-trail system won't have those :)
[19:33] <nacc> Bray90820: i wonder if you're tripping a hardware failure? maybe overheating?
[19:34] <Bray90820> nacc: That's what i was thinking a few days ago and attempted to turn of thermal control but not sure if I successfully did or not
[19:35] <Bray90820> I should also note a stress test of the processor made if freeze but VLC played it fine until I opened the unity dash
[19:37] <Bray90820> nacc: What I am thinking I should do is reinstall windows and run a CPU stress test and see if it freezes
[19:37] <nacc> Bray90820: seems reasonable
[19:37] <nacc> Bray90820: i mean, surface is a microsoft product, right? they might be doing something funky to make it work
[19:38] <Bray90820> nacc: Microsoft might be doing something funky?
[19:38] <Bray90820> nacc: I did check the temp a few seconds before it froze and it was at about 60C
[19:40] <Bray90820> nacc: I should also note I was getting an outrageous about of freezing in the browser until I turned off wi-fi power management
[19:40] <Bray90820> So you think I should try windows to test it?
[19:41] <nacc> Bray90820: microsoft could easily be doing something specific to their own hardware in windows that linux would never know about
[19:42] <nacc> Bray90820: wouldn't be the first vendor that did that; and i assume microsoft has no interest in supporting linux on surface*
[19:42] <Bray90820> Yeah but if i do try windows at least I'll know if there is a hardware issue or not
[19:43] <nacc> Bray90820: right, but you won't know if there is a hardware *support* issue or not
[19:44] <Bray90820> Correct but the first step is seeing if the hardware is broken
[19:52] <gianpc> irc.priv8.jp
[19:52] <gianpc> #xncrew
[19:53] <jelly_> why don't ppa's ever support yakkety?
[19:53] <jelly_> it's annoying.
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> jelly_  what brings you here
[19:54] <fabrizio_> i just test
[19:58] <dr4c4n> Hi, I'm affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1567744 and I'm wondering how to change the name of my ethernet dongle using udev rules as suggested by another user in the comments section, however I don't know how to do this, and there aren't any instructions listed. Can anyone help me?
[20:04] <ioria> dr4c4n, basically he set  net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0  as kern boot option and changed the interface name
[20:05] <dr4c4n> thanks ioria
[20:05] <ioria> dr4c4n, you can do the first in /etc/default/grub and the second with this http://askubuntu.com/questions/689501/how-to-rename-network-interface-in-15-10
[20:06] <ioria> dr4c4n,  sudo update-grub after the first
[20:09] <dr4c4n> Thanks a lot ioria, I will be testing this weekend on new server setup at home, as I needed it to connect to a vlan
[20:09] <ioria> dr4c4n,  good luck
[20:21] <cdorsal> I'm having trouble passing an incoming UDP packet from one system, through my ubuntu router, to another system. I can receive the UDP packet <IP_ADDRESS>.59117 > <IP_ADDRESS>.60106 because I have added <IP_ADDRESS> via "ip add maddr" but my system listening on the other end cannot see any of the udp traffic. Please help! This is tricky.
[20:23] <cdorsal> My system is configured as follows windows (<IP_ADDRESS>) <- eth0 -> ubuntu (<IP_ADDRESS>) <- wlan1 -> windows (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[20:29] <yee> hello
[20:29] <WebWalker> hi yee
[20:31] <nacc> cdorsal: sorry, i don't much about networking, hopefully someone else can help
[20:40] <tima> What do you think about SRWare Iron browser?
[20:50] <WebWalker> Hello
[20:58] <freakyy> hi all. im running ubuntu-gnome and since a recent upgrade i dont know, my X Server wont boot anymore.it hangs at loading nvidia persistance daemon or something, and no gui comes up. it keeps restarting, but it doesnt actually work running. i dont know what i did. can anyone help me? i cant burn an iso image as my burdner doesnt work :(
[20:59] <acracia_> Hola, alguien que hable español?
[20:59] <acracia_> tengo un problemita :(
[21:00] <Bashing-om> !es | acracia_
[21:00] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Check the Xorg.log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log); see what X thinks .
[21:01] <acracia_> #ubuntu-es
[21:01] <plopp> Hi I'm running a nodejs app with pm2 on ubuntu and I keep getting an Unexpected token { error, I think that this can be due to the version of nodejs that pm2 use, but how can I know what version of nodejs pm2 uses? maybe I'm on the wrong channel? there is no pm2 channel :/
[21:02] <freakyy> also the update-manager is missing and so on
[21:02] <freakyy> wait ill check
[21:03] <mystiiq> Hi, I created ad-hoc network on my old IBM laptop. The throughput is super slow in the network, i.e. ibm connects to the world 4mb/sec and wi-fi client on the ad-hoc has speed of 400kb/sec. How can I troubleshoot what is the problem? Wonder if its some kind of packet drop or something.
[21:04] <younder> mystiiq, well there is wireshark
[21:05] <velus> how do i run two versions of gcc and g++ but be able to switch the versions easy
[21:05] <freakyy> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23462858/
[21:05] <freakyy> if thats not working then its https
[21:06] <freakyy> Bashing-om: r u checking?
[21:06] <freakyy> i dont know what its caused by i already checked that file but it doesnt tell me anything
[21:06] <younder> velus, Tu just give them diffrent names. On my machine gcc is gcc 4.8 while iI use gcc-7 for cutting edge stuff.
[21:07] <freakyy> or can anyone els ehelp me? my system wont boot into graphics mode it hangs ive put up the xorg log file
[21:07] <younder> velus, Then in the make file set CC= <the gcc name>
[21:08] <Bashing-om> freakyy: I will look for ya .. see if I see something . stand by .
[21:08] <freakyy> Bashing-om: thank you so much!! :)
[21:08] <freakyy> btw, ive installed (after it didnt work) the package nvidia-current
[21:08] <freakyy> still it didnt work
[21:09] <freakyy> i maybe did a apt-get autoremove but nothing more
[21:09] <freakyy> i think
[21:09] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[21:19] <hhee1> guys, where can i ask about default color in midnight commander? in xubuntu 12 it's quite beautiful, in 16.10 it,s default blue background and so on
[21:20] <freakyy> Bashing-om: could u find osmething?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Ouch ! " (WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Input/output error " . What  results when thge TV is not connected as the monitor device ? .. and also what do you see with key combo ' ctl+alt+F2 ' . This is the 1st I have seen that VR2 is active with " quiet splash vt.handoff=7 " .
[21:22] <Bashing-om> VR2/VT2*
[21:22] <freakyy> Bashing-om: nothing happens i see an empty screen
[21:22] <cdorsal> if someone could take a look at this, it would be very much appreciated: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2342969&p=13568677#post13568677
[21:23] <freakyy> do i really have to unplug the tv now?
[21:23] <freakyy> oO
[21:25] <Bashing-om> freakyy: You got me as I have no experience with a TV set up as a monitor .. could be that the TV dropped the settings for a digital input ? But I just do not know . Is the TV the only monitor ?
[21:26] <freakyy> no i have another monitor
[21:26] <freakyy> the tv is not the monitor i want to use as monitor
[21:26] <freakyy> wait one moment please
[21:26] <freakyy> i need to restart weechat
[21:28] <freakyy> back :)
[21:29] <freakyy> but yea ... id like to keep the tv connected?
[21:33] <danielnov8> Anyone know how to completely de-install a package/software?
[21:33] <freakyy> danielnov8: apt-get remove --purge <packagename> :D
[21:34] <Bashing-om> freakyy: The question is if the system boots up to the GUI without the TV connected .
[21:34] <freakyy> ok my problem is i cant connec tot here any other way
[21:34] <freakyy> so ... what i will do now is set up a ssl cert for weechat
[21:34] <freakyy> and then my weechat should work on the phone
[21:34] <freakyy> are u here still in 15 minutes?
[21:35] <Bashing-om> freakyy: I expect I will still be available, yes .
[21:38] <freakyy> ok cool thanks
[21:38] <freakyy> so brb
[21:43] <freakyy> Bashing-om: The Same problem with tv unplugged
[21:43] <Guest98665> Hi.
[21:44] <Guest98665> Anyone know how to enable colecting temperature info in sar?
[21:44] <Bashing-om> freakyy: K, and with the TV unplugged, can you access the desktop from the guest account ? Try and isolate this to a user config .
[21:45] <freakyy> No the login screen doesn't show up
[21:46] <theCMack> I been having a problem with my kickstart %post being ignored
[21:46] <freakyy> It keeps giving some status messages then screen turns black then again status messages and again screen turns black and so on
[21:46] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Now it gets deep : Do you know how to boot to the grub boot menu ?
[21:47] <theCMack> I have tried logging it with %post --log=/root/post.log and %post --log /root/post.log
[21:47] <theCMack> both result in invalid flag type errors
[21:48] <theCMack> anyone have any ideas what can cause the %post to be skipped or how to properly log the output?
[21:48] <freakyy> I'm currentl in save mode but I don't know how to boot to the grin boot menu of its not that that's showing when I boot up my of and chose the os to boot
[21:48] <freakyy> Sorry mobile auto correction
[21:49] <freakyy> So I have the boot menu always show up cuz of os selection
[21:49] <freakyy> And its grub
[21:50] <freakyy> But failsafex mode doesn't recognize my peripherals
[21:51] <freakyy> Whereas it first worked but then after I installed nvidia current it only shows me that wrong screen
[21:53] <transhuman> Hi I would like to connect my android device to ubuntu to android studio I have created a udev rule and reloaded udev (even restarted) but android studio shows no usb devices or running emulators detected how do i fix?
[21:54] <ikonia> why would you need an emulator
[21:54] <freakyy> Bashing-om:
[21:55] <Bashing-om> freakyy: "recovery' mode only actives a minimal set of services . Let's boot to terminal .. and see where we stand then ( system problem or a X layer problem ) . at the grub menu 'e' key for edit mode -> boot parameters screen. Arrow down to the line starting with linux and replace "quiet splash" and all after with the term systemd.unit=multi-user.target . Key combo ctl+x to continue to TTY1 . log in here at this terminal . All is good at this p
[21:55] <transhuman> android-studio lets you choose between using an emulated device and the real device...in this case I want to use the usb real device
[21:55] <jjgalvez__> A program is saying that it can not find libpulse.so, I have libpulse.so.0 installed, should I just simlink them, or is there a better way to that? or am I missing something entirely?
[21:55] <ikonia> transhuman: so the emulated device is nothing to do with your phone being connected or not
[21:55] <ikonia> so it sounds like you have a core problem with android studio
[21:56] <ikonia> rather than if your phone is connected or not
[21:56] <transhuman> correct...its just ONE message
[21:56] <Bashing-om> freakyy: How did you install the graphics driver ? .. best I recall version 367 is not available in the repo .
[21:56] <kostkon> jjgalvez__, you are probably missing the 32bit version of that lib
[21:56] <ikonia> so you need to andress the problem with android studio
[21:56] <transhuman> I dont think so I think its a udev problem
[21:56] <ikonia> why do you think that
[21:56] <kostkon> !find libpulse.so
[21:56] <ikonia> as emmulation is nothing to do with udev or a physical device
[21:56] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-361
[21:56] <ikonia> so if you can't emmulate - you have a problem with android studio
[21:56] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-364
[21:57] <transhuman> NO I am using A REAL android device instead of USING the emulated device
[21:57] <transhuman> its ONE message regardless of which you choose...its saying it cant find it
[21:58] <ikonia> transhuman: right but you can't emmulate
[21:58] <ikonia> so you have a problem with studio
[21:58] <kostkon> jjgalvez__, i.e. you could try something along the lines of sudo apt-get install libpulse0:i386 or sudo apt-get install libpulse-dev:i386 etc., whichever is needed
[21:58] <transhuman> ok I will ask in android dev then but think its a udev problem but thanks...I will ask in #android-dev
[21:58] <ikonia> why do you think it's a udev problem ?
[21:59] <freakyy> I just did apt-get install nvidia-current
[21:59] <jjgalvez__> kostkon: installing lipulse-dev fixed the problem, thanks for the help :)
[21:59] <kostkon> jjgalvez__, np
[22:00] <freakyy> In there now Bashing-om
[22:00] <freakyy> Logged in as root
[22:00] <cherub> hey
[22:01] <freakyy> Did I edit the boot config now?
[22:01] <freakyy> Because I don't know how to change it back
[22:03] <Bashing-om> freakyy: K,now what does the sytem report when we start the GUI ' systemctl isolate graphical.target ' ?
[22:05] <freakyy> Now all consoles f1 f2 keep going on and off slowly again and again I can only write when the screen shows the console
[22:05] <freakyy> Bashing-om:
[22:06] <freakyy> What should I do
[22:07] <danielnov8> freakyy:thanks
[22:08] <freakyy> I can't do anything anymore
[22:12] <Bashing-om> freakyy: "  Logged in as root " .. Not sure of where you are .. If you are following my thought process or not .. All I can suggest at this point is renoot and start all over .. what results :
[22:13] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | freakyy
[22:14] <freakyy> Bashing-om: I just did Saudi passwd -
[22:14] <freakyy> And set a pass for root I followed what I said
[22:15] <freakyy> I just logged in as root instead of my normal user as in doing system work
[22:16] <freakyy> Is there any cmdlone burning tool
[22:16] <Bashing-om> freakyy: That is not the ubuntu way .. I can not follow what you are doing as I have no nada none experience messing about in a "root" account .
[22:16] <freakyy> Which I can use to burn an iso
[22:16] <freakyy> I can reinstall the system
[22:17] <elodinn> ls
[22:17] <elodinn> lol woops
[22:17] <freakyy> Thank you very much for ur help Bashing-om
[22:17] <Bashing-om> freakyy: No we do not need to re-install .. IF this is just a graphi'c driver issue . If so .. just indetify the card, purge the driver .. and install the correct version driver . IF this is the case .
[22:18] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[22:18] <CountryfiedLinux> Will Snappy packages be the default installed ones in the future?
[22:18] <Random832> freakyy: cdrecord, cdrdao, wodim, dd, cp
[22:19] <CountryfiedLinux> Right now it seems more up to the user to discover which packages have snaps and which do not. It would be cool for a defaut install to be entirely snaps.
[22:20] <Guest52465> How to enable temerature collection in sar?
[22:20] <Bashing-om> CountryfiedLinux: the #snappy channel would be the more apt to know .
[22:20] <CountryfiedLinux> thanks Bashing-om
[22:21] <freakyy> Thank you ill try installing newest driver version
[22:21] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Again .. how are you installing the driver ? From our trusted PPA or else ??
[22:22] <freakyy> Restricted
[22:23] <freakyy> Nvidia-367
[22:23] <freakyy> Unding apt-get install
[22:24] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Again, I can not follow what you relate .. Is it me that does not communicate well ? .. How do you know that the 367 version is correct for your card ?
[22:24] <freakyy> It works.
[22:25] <freakyy> I thought its the latest so I installed
[22:26] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Verify that 367 is correct .. what is the hardware ' lspci -vnn | grep -i VGA ' .
[22:27] <freakyy> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] [10de:1401] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[22:28] <crayon> kunwon1, you there?
[22:30] <freakyy> Bashing-om: is that correct?
[22:30] <freakyy> the driver?
[22:31] <freakyy> id ont know how to hceck
[22:31] <freakyy> ;D
[22:31] <freakyy> *dont know how to check
[22:31] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Yep .. 367 version is correct : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/108586/en-us .
[22:31] <freakyy> ok thank you very much for your help :D
[22:32] <Bashing-om> freakyy: We are here to help to the end ... I can follow your lpogic process, or you may follow mine to arrive at a solution .
[22:33] <Bashing-om> logic*
[22:33] <freakyy> yea ;D
[22:33] <freakyy> if i just knew it was just the driver
[22:36] <BlackDeath> hi is here someone that use a gaming kvm?
[22:36] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Well, .. I have looked in the log file .. and I do not - I may have missed it - see that the card is identified. One can see what driver(s) are installed ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia . We only want to see the 367 version listed .
[22:40] <freakyy> Bashing-om: wait
[22:40] <freakyy> root@baby ~ # dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[22:40] <freakyy> rc  nvidia-installer-cleanup          20141201+1                           amd64        cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer
[22:40] <freakyy> root@baby ~ #
[22:41] <freakyy> theres nothing else showing? oO
[22:41] <Bashing-om> freakyy: ^^ in a pastebin please .
[22:41] <freakyy> that was all
[22:41] <freakyy> ok next time pastebin
[22:42] <ubuntu008> hay all! i have a question.. its driving me out of my little head.
[22:42] <rafal1> Hello
[22:42] <freakyy> hi
[22:43] <Gr3mlin> why is it so hard to configure Ubuntu server headless' DNS settings.
[22:43] <rafal1> Install Parrot
[22:44] <salad> hai
[22:44] <Gr3mlin> well... ubuntu can resolve anything atm. so it wont be letting me install anything
[22:46] <freakyy> Bashing-om:
[22:46] <salad> so what is this
[22:47] <Bashing-om> salad: As the topic says . this is the ubuntu operating system support channel .
[22:47] <salad> Windows is much better
[22:47] <Bashing-om> !ot | salad
[22:48] <salad> Windows 10 is better then any linux OS
[22:48] <bazhang> salad time to stop
[22:49] <salad> Windows 10 has the possibility to connect with my xbox one and of course my lovely cortana. suck it ubuntu users!
[22:49] <sebb23> good evening
[22:51] <SaladW10> Windows 10 has winrar wich is the best programm ever!
[22:52] <freakyy> bad salad ;D
[22:52] <zyclonicz> Windows 10 is better than Ubuntu.
[22:52] <freakyy> Bashing-om: thank you again for your help :)
[22:53] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Are you up and functional ?
[22:55] <cheeseman> helo: having issue with curl command when sending my curl request to an api it will say"enter host password" but still "not authorized"
[22:55] <freakyy> Bashing-om: yes everything working fine since now ;D
[22:56] <Bashing-om> freakyy: Great .
[22:56] <freakyy> Bashing-om:  :D
[22:57] <workisfun> hi guys I'm trying to install emacs 25.1. I downloaded the tar.xz, extracted it but when i try to run ./configure, i get `configure: error: You seem to be running X, but no X development libraries were found. You should install the relevant development files for X and for the toolkit you want, such as Gtk+ or Motif. Also make sure you have development files for image handling.`
[22:57] <workisfun> then I tried running `sudo apt-get build-dep emacs24` but I get E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list`
[22:58] <hggdh> workisfun: start by sudo apt-get build-dep emacs
[22:58] <hggdh> yeah
[22:58] <workisfun> hggdh:i get the same error with that too
[22:58] <hggdh> workisfun: yes, you need the source packages
[22:58] <workisfun> this is a fresh install of ubuntu 16.04 btw
[22:59] <hggdh> workisfun: you need deb-src entries in your sources.list
[23:00] <workisfun> yes but i'm not sure what those should be
[23:00] <hggdh> workisfun: run software-propweties-gtk, and select "source code"; then apt-get update
[23:01] <sebb23> whats the easiest way to install an armgf deb on a x86_64 os ?
[23:01] <hggdh> workisfun: sorry, mistype: it is software-properties-gtk
[23:02] <workisfun> another person elsewhere said to do sudo apt-get update first and after that build-dep emacs24 is working
[23:02] <workisfun> (sorry beginner here)
[23:03] <hggdh> workisfun: it will not work if you do not have source packages selected on apt
[23:03] <workisfun> maybe they were there by default, ./autogen.sh and ./configure are working now it seems
[23:03] <hggdh> workisfun: on the other hand, before trying to install anything with apt, it is good to run an apt-get update
[23:04] <Venom> Hello
[23:05] <klarkie> Hello?
[23:05] <Venom> Hey there klarker
[23:05] <klarkie> Hey
[23:05] <hggdh> workisfun: a build-dep will install all dev packages necessary to build the provided package. You may have autoconf but still b missing some (dev) libraries
[23:06] <Venom> you know what would be easier?
[23:06] <Venom> A .exe
[23:06] <hggdh> workisfun: also, a build-dep will get you the build dependencies for the currently-available emacs. If emacs25 needs something more recent, you will have to grab it somehow
[23:07] <hggdh> Venom: ?
[23:07] <klarkie> hggdh what is a build dep?
[23:07] <klarkie> and a emac?
[23:08] <hggdh> klarkie: build deendencies -- what a package needs at build time
[23:08] <klarkie> oke and a emac?
[23:08] <Venom> My brain just BSODed
[23:08] <klarkie> 0_o
[23:08] <hggdh> Venom: this is not a chat channel
[23:09] <workisfun> klarkie:you can google it
[23:09] <hggdh> klarkie: same applies to you
[23:09] <Venom> Very well how do i install internet on ubuntu?
[23:09] <Venom> i tried sudo apt-get install internet but it didn't work
[23:10] <klarkie> Is there a big difference between the different desktop envirements for ubuntu?
[23:11] <squinty> bazhang: fwiw, Venom was just banned in ##windows
[23:11] <crayon> kunwon1, you there?
[23:11] <thesushimanoftao> hello room
[23:12] <klarkie> hey there
[23:12] <thesushimanoftao> anyone familiar with solving a kernel panic problem with booting?
[23:12] <thesushimanoftao> use of the boot-repair disk
[23:12] <thesushimanoftao> or the program boot repair
[23:14] <hggdh> klarkie: again, this is not a chat channel
[23:14] <klarkie> right so what is the use of this?
[23:14] <klarkie> only support?
[23:14] <thesushimanoftao> this is a support channel
[23:14] <thesushimanoftao> we come here for help
[23:14] <hggdh> klarkie: yes. Last warning.
[23:14] <thesushimanoftao> though i do believe civil acknowledgement is a good thing
[23:14] <klarkie> sure
[23:16] <jak2000> know how to access initrams?
[23:17] <thesushimanoftao> me jak?
[23:18] <jak2000> thesushimanoftao
[23:18] <jak2000> can you help me
[23:18] <thesushimanoftao> i do not
[23:18] <jak2000> but i get this error: when type: fsck /dev/dm-0
[23:18] <jak2000> the error is: /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-root is mounted.   e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[23:18] <jak2000> and i know is possible fix: https://postimg.org/image/fj5z7mu1h/
[23:21] <thesushimanoftao> not my familiarity
[23:24] <thesushimanoftao> looking for help with boot-repair and/or kernel panic errors
[23:24] <thesushimanoftao> and repository errors
[23:26] <amaged__> Hi, when you boot a Linux VM, halt GRUB, add a parameter there, it works but when i reboot, these settings go away, how do i make that persistent ?
[23:26] <Toobian> hi, is there possible to change keyboard layout before LUKS unlock disk ?
[23:28] <squinty> amaged__,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2  -> custom menu entries
[23:30] <amaged__> thanks squinty
[23:30] <pietilson> If I performed a minimal install, and am now SSHd into Ubuntu, where do I go to configure the tty/terminal?  I don't have xterm installed, although $TERM identifies itself as that.
[23:32] <pietilson> I am mostly interested in colors/background at this point.  Putty using the "Use System Colors" checkbox presents a white background terminal and its blinding me :p
[23:33] <tasaif> pietilson: why not change the colors in putty?
[23:34] <tasaif> pietilson: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[23:34] <pietilson> ideally, it is an exercise to better understand linux and how it works, I am a noob.  The odd part is, if I login to the box proper, the tty is black.
[23:35] <tasaif> from what I understand there are two way to approach it
[23:36] <Bashing-om> pietilson: I know not putty, but at local, my solutuon to that glaring white background was to invert . - alias xterm='xterm -rv' ; added to the alias list in .bashrc .
[23:37] <tasaif> if you modify the PS1 environment variables then that can be processed by your terminal emulator, but generally people configure color profiles on the terminal emulators themselves
[23:38] <yoshimitsu> any tutorials for beginning programmers in c/c++?
[23:38] <pietilson> yoshimitsu: What terminal emulator am I really using if xterm isn't actually installed? (or at least I don't think it is).
[23:38] <yoshimitsu> i'm not sure sorry, i just started using ubuntu
[23:39] <pietilson> Bashing-om: people typically manage colors through their shell then and not the terminal/tty itself?
[23:39] <bekks> pietilson: Yes.
[23:39] <yoshimitsu> pietilson: probably gnome terminal
[23:39] <pietilson> woops, I meant tasaif
[23:40] <Bashing-om> pietilson: I just found that the easiest solution in my use case .
[23:43] <Bashing-om> pietilson: xterm is a very powerful application and there is a lot one can do for configuration. See ' man xterm '
[23:44] <pietilson> Bashing-om that is where I am really confused, I did a minimal install with the mini.iso, I have no xterm package when I run dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
[23:45] <pietilson> apt list --installed
[23:45] <pietilson> is the same
[23:46] <mijk> anyone have trouble with the intel graphics update tool?
[23:46] <mijk> it just sits at "Listings packages"
[23:47] <yoshimitsu> any tutorials on programming i should look at? i'm just starting out
[23:47] <pietilson> thank you for the help though, once I figure out what I am looking at through putty (apparently not xterm), then I will move onto your other suggestions
[23:47] <Bashing-om> pietilson: k .. dpkg -l xterm >> ii  xterm          297-1ubuntu1 amd64        X terminal emulator . As I have xfce4 installed for an on-demand GUI .
[23:50] <jak2000> Bashing-om you know about grub and initramfs? break=premount
[23:50] <jak2000> ?
[23:51] <Bashing-om> jak2000: Well, I know a bit about grub .. Not near as much as I would like to . What is your issue ?
[23:52] <kostkon> yoshimitsu, since you are starting out you might as well have a look at the ubuntu developer site https://developer.ubuntu.com/
[23:52] <jak2000> i need run fsck command on initramfs prompt
[23:52] <jak2000> https://postimg.org/image/94jtd5j99/
[23:52] <jak2000> see the image please
[23:53] <Bashing-om> jak2000: No can do .. as the target MUST not be mounted .. the file system checker now-a-days is smarter and will not run .
[23:54] <jak2000> mmm how to know if my system is mounted in readonly?
[23:54] <Bashing-om> jak2000: As to LVM .. no experience there at all .. can not advise .
[23:55] <Bashing-om> jak2000: Rin a file system check from a live environmnet or from a separate install .. the target file system must be in an idle state for the checker to get a handle on it .
[23:56] <thesushimanoftao> anyone familiar with kernel panic errors?
[23:56] <Bashing-om> rin/run**
[23:57] <Beng_Ben1> ;]
[23:57] <Beng_Ben1> [;


 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004387.html
 Interesting point
 I think the problem is with the voluntary nature of linux though
 Since we arent payed to do most of the things, mainly out of good heart
 Unless pple are really dedicated to lubuntu, like you are @tsimonq2 , these kind of issues will bite us, no matter what method we use :P
 Ill look into ways that will make people more engaged
 Im not free from blame in the sense that i say that ill contribute but then i sometimes dont :(
 Right, it really does depend.
 https://lubuntu.me/this-week-in-lubuntu-development-2/
 These informations "This Week in Lubuntu Development" are really great!!!
 Thanks :)
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[04:56] <desrt> word.
[05:40] <duflu> desrt: Is the word jetlag?
[05:40] <desrt> duflu: yes.  yes it is.
[05:40] <duflu> Oh, that's two
[08:43] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:44] <TheMuso> Hey seb128.
[08:45] <seb128> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[08:45] <TheMuso> seb128: Not too bad thanks. Yourself?
[08:46] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128
[08:48] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:48] <seb128> how are you?
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Very well thanks.
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Yourself.
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> desrt duflu Morning
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso Hey! :-)
[08:49] <didrocks> hey TheMuso, flexiondotorg, re seb128
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Morning. Been to sleep yet? ;-)
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso I don't know if you twigged, but MATE now has some full-time paid developers just working on a11y
[08:50] <desrt> seb128, TheMuso, didrocks, flexiondotorg: hello to everyone
[08:50] <seb128> oh, right, desrt is on european tz now! morning :-)
[08:50] <desrt> not quite yet.  i'm in some weirdo jetlag zone presently :p
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> They a from a French start-up - http://hypra.fr
[08:51] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: ahah, yeah, quite lucky on that side, only waking up when hungry, so quite ok :)
[08:51] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[08:52] <TheMuso> flexiondotorg: You are probably referring to the folks at hypra. Yes I am aware.
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso Great :-)
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> I'm delighted they've turned up.
[08:53] <TheMuso> It is certainly great to have them on board.
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I'm going to try and find a way to highlight their contribution to the project.
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> We've effectively got a full time developer now.
[08:54] <TheMuso> Yep thats great.
[08:54] <TheMuso> I've actually been enjoying Mate a lot more of late.
[08:55] <TheMuso> Mostly on Fedora, whichi is 1.16, but nevertheless.
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> I installed Ubuntu MATE 17.04 alpha 2 blinded folded at the weekend to test it all.
[08:55] <willcooke> morning all
[08:56] <flexiondotorg> willcooke o/
[08:56] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:56] <TheMuso> flexiondotorg: Yeah there are some rough edegs. I need to take a look myself at some point.
[08:56] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[08:57] <desrt> willcooke: hi hi :)
[08:59] <duflu> Morning flexiondotorg
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke duflu
[09:01] <duflu> Morning seb128
[09:01] <Laney> morning
[09:01] <Laney> woah wtf
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney, what's up?
[09:05] <Laney> hey seb128!!!!
[09:05] <Laney> got some graphics corruption, had to restart
[09:05] <Laney> sent a video on telegram
[09:05] <seb128> intel :-/
[09:06] <Laney> INTELLLLLLLLLLLL
[09:06] <Laney> before it's been some static corruption
[09:06] <Laney> this time it was moving
[09:07] <Laney> and I saw stuff for a few seconds after unsuspending
[09:07] <Laney> other times it was borked straight away
[09:07] <Laney> oh well
[09:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[12:34] <hikiko> Trevinho, ping
[12:42] <seb128> hikiko, you might want to include context in the ping, maybe others can help as well?
[12:43] <hikiko> haha :)
[12:43] <hikiko> seb128, I want him to explain me a bullet in a list of suggestions for lowgfx
[12:43] <hikiko> so, I think he is the only one who can help
[12:44] <hikiko> do you want me to paste it here? you might know what he means
[12:46] <seb128> hikiko, sure, even if I don't at least he has the content he needs to reply to
[12:46] <hikiko> compiz_profile_gsettings_path:
[12:46] <hikiko> It has to return a list of paths actually
[12:46] <hikiko> Settings have to be changed for all the profiles this returns (so that settings are in sync between profiles)
[12:49] <hikiko> seb128, in order to apply instantly the lowgfx or the unity settings I make sure we use flat-file configuration and I overwrite the Default.ini with the unity or unity-lowgfx profile settings depending what the selection is
[12:50] <hikiko> because the other methods (like switch profile) don't have an instant effect they require reboot and sometimes they crash the desktop
[12:50] <hikiko> so marco agreed to use this method
[12:50] <seb128> hikiko, I'm going to let Trevinho reply because I didn't follow the details enough, I don't understand why we use flat-file instead of gsettings there and that sounds wrong to me
[12:51] <Trevinho> hikiko: hey... I was at lunch
[12:51] <hikiko> hey Trevinho
[12:51] <hikiko> well, questions :)
[12:51] <hikiko> 1st of all
[12:51] <seb128> hikiko, to me it sounds like "compiz fails to pick up gsettings profile changes dynamically", which would suggest compiz needs to be fixed not that we should switch to flat file
[12:51] <hikiko> yes seb128
[12:51] <seb128> I don't get why we don't fix compiz if that's the issue
[12:52] <seb128> (I know easier said than done)
[12:52] <hikiko> because that will take time and because by default when you start unity if you go to ccsm
[12:52] <hikiko> you will see that the selected profile is Default
[12:52] <hikiko> and the default configuration flat-file
[12:53] <hikiko> and since switching to flat doesn't cause any problem to the desktop I did this as faster
[12:54] <hikiko> seb128, fixing compiz will need a lot of time + debug
[12:56] <seb128> yeah, I don't doubt it's more work to fix but it also seems the right thing to do... anyway as said let's not argue over that, whatever you and Trevinho thinks make sense
[12:56] <seb128> hey Trevinho :-)
[12:56] <hikiko> Trevinho, willcooke what do you think on that? should I fix compiz or just use the flat-file?
[12:57] <hikiko> Trevinho, I had another question for u initially
[12:57] <hikiko> what do you mean by:
[12:57] <hikiko> compiz_profile_gsettings_path:
[12:57] <hikiko> It has to return a list of paths actually
[12:57] <hikiko> Settings have to be changed for all the profiles this returns (so that settings are in sync between profiles)
[12:57] <Trevinho> hey seb128
[12:58] <Trevinho> hikiko: as seb128 said I'm for trying to fix compiz... It already took some time to get here, so i guess you can figure out what's not going properly
[12:59] <Trevinho> hikiko: by compiz_profile_gsettings_path, I mean that you've to do the same things for all the know profiles. So it should return a list (array) insetead of profile strings so that you can apply the gsettings_set_* calls to all the profiles. not only to the one currently used.
[12:59] <hikiko> Trevinho, I am not using the lowgfx profile option anymore
[13:00] <hikiko> only the gsetting
[13:00] <hikiko> that is system wide
[13:00] <hikiko> so all profiles are aware
[13:00] <hikiko> isn't it?
[13:00] <hikiko> u7 reads the gsetting
[13:00] <hikiko> not the option it used to read
[13:01] <hikiko> I completely removed the lowgfx option and I replaced that with the lowgfx gsetting
[13:11] <Trevinho> hikiko: mhmhhm.... So compiz isn't using the compiz profile in gsettings?
[13:12] <hikiko> when the backend is gsettings
[13:12] <Trevinho> I mean, when you run unity using that default.ini and you change a gsettings compiz setting (from dconf or command line), I guess things won't work, isn't it?
[13:12] <Trevinho> and what is the profile?
[13:12] <hikiko> Trevinho,
[13:12] <hikiko> case 1: backend= flat-file
[13:13] <hikiko> compiz watches Default.ini and applies instantly all the changes there
[13:13] <hikiko> but
[13:13] <Trevinho> I mea you've been able to do gsettings set org.compiz.unityshell:/org/compiz/profiles/$PROFILE/plugins/unityshell <any-setting> <value> to work
[13:13] <hikiko> libcompizconfig calls like setProfile etc
[13:13] <hikiko> don't work
[13:13] <hikiko> no
[13:13] <Trevinho> well, then the default.ini solution isn't fine...
[13:14] <hikiko> wait
[13:14] <Trevinho> I mean we've things that rely on that, and we risk to break things otherwise
[13:14] <hikiko> whan the backend is gsettings
[13:14] <hikiko> if you set lowgfx = true
[13:14] <hikiko> u7 instantly reads the value
[13:14] <hikiko> but setProfile etc
[13:14] <hikiko> don't have any effect
[13:15] <hikiko> compiz seems to ignore all the other settings
[13:15] <hikiko> basically
[13:15] <hikiko> not ignore
[13:15] <hikiko> it messes up
[13:15] <hikiko> the previous with the current
[13:15] <hikiko> some are overwritten some not
[13:15] <hikiko> if you restart
[13:15] <hikiko> it works
[13:16] <hikiko> but restart sometimes crashes etc
[13:16] <hikiko> Trevinho, I mean that the gsettings are updated but they are not applied correctly
[13:16] <hikiko> but with flat file they are both updated and applied
[13:24] <hikiko> Trevinho, seb128 question:
[13:25] <hikiko> without flat-file
[13:25] <hikiko> if I use gsettings only
[13:25] <hikiko> I can't use the *.ini files anyway isn't it?
[13:25] <hikiko> like unity, unity-lowgfx.ini
[13:26] <seb128> well, how are defined the profiles? is there a gsettings definition? I don't know that part enough to respond
[13:26] <hikiko> in gsettings configuration, these files are ignored
[13:26] <seb128> they maybe have their gsettings equivalents?
[13:26] <hikiko> if you use flat you read the ini
[13:26] <Trevinho> So... Profiles have to be defined with .ini files
[13:27] <Trevinho> but they generate gsettings default values that are different than the normal ones
[13:27] <Trevinho> the flat-ini file for *saving* settings is a different thing
[13:27] <hikiko> compiz will only read the gsettings
[13:28] <hikiko> in that case
[13:28] <Trevinho> and I'm afraid that if you use that default.ini then the gsettings vaules are ignored during that session
[13:28] <hikiko> they arent
[13:28] <hikiko> Trevinho, can you give me an example?
[13:29] <hikiko> of what would be ignored?
[13:29] <hikiko> to test
[13:29] <hikiko> because I think they are ignored when I use gsettings
[13:32] <Trevinho> so... Run compiz with a default.ini set
[13:32] <Trevinho> then
[13:33] <Trevinho> call
[13:33] <Trevinho> gsettings set org.compiz.unityshell:/org/compiz/profiles/$PROFILE/plugins/unityshell <any-setting> <value>
[13:33] <Trevinho> for any setting you want...
[13:34] <Trevinho> or use dconf-editor
[13:34] <Trevinho> these values have to be updated even if running with default.ini
[13:34] <hikiko> dconf-editor changes apply immediately I think let me check with lowgfx
[13:38] <Trevinho> hikiko: but, in that case what ccsm profile are you using?
[13:38] <hikiko> well
[13:38] <hikiko> I changed the launcher position
[13:38] <hikiko> worked fine
[13:38] <hikiko> it applies instantly
[13:38] <hikiko> also:
[13:38] <Trevinho> using /profiles/$PROFILE/ what?
[13:38] <hikiko> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz_configuration#Settings_storage_options
[13:38] <hikiko> using dconf-editor
[13:39] <Trevinho> yeah, i mean, but the setting path? What profile are you applying this to?
[13:39] <hikiko> how can I check that?
[13:45] <hikiko> well from dconf
[13:46] <hikiko> the gsettings profiles can be edited whereas for the ini you have only the plugin names and the values are read from the ini
[13:46] <hikiko> but I still don't see where's the problem with the flat file
[13:47] <hikiko> you can't edit the value in dconf you can edit it from ccsm or text file
[13:47] <Trevinho> hikiko: the problem is that I don't want to risk to break the gsettings backend which we use from various places, scripts and ucc
[13:48] <Trevinho> hikiko: that's not fine... we need to be able to change a variable from dconf/gsettings command line
[13:48] <Trevinho> make sure you're using the correct path, tho
[13:48] <hikiko> could you give me an exact example of something that would break Trevinho ?
[13:48] <hikiko> so that I test it?
[13:49] <hikiko> currently my profile is the Default
[13:49] <Trevinho> hikiko: I'm not saying it will, I want to make sure it won't...
[13:49] <Trevinho> Mh, so your profile has to be unity...
[13:49] <Trevinho> run unity with
[13:49] <Trevinho> COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu compiz --replace
[13:50] <Trevinho> then in that case the profile will be 'unity'
[13:50] <Trevinho> this is the default case when you start unity from upstart/systemd at startup
[13:51] <Trevinho> then in such scenario you should be able to change profile (if the default.ini method works, fine), but once yuo've changed the default.ini values you still should be able to change settings from gsettigns command line or dconf
[13:51] <hikiko> tiktok:[eleni]~$ ccsm
[13:51] <hikiko> compizconfig - Info: Backend     : ini
[13:51] <hikiko> compizconfig - Info: Integration : false
[13:51] <hikiko> compizconfig - Info: Profile     : default
[13:51] <hikiko> Loading icons...
[13:52] <Trevinho> mh, cleanup your ~/.config/compizconfig, since you' should have Backend: ini
[13:52] <Trevinho> nor Profile: default
[13:53] <Trevinho> also you have to imagine situations where people is using using both mate desktop + compiz and Unity... They will share the default.ini, and we don't want to break such installations
[13:53] <hikiko> they don't
[13:53] <hikiko> each backend
[13:53] <hikiko> has its own default
[13:53] <hikiko> default.ini is ignored in case of gsettings
[13:54] <hikiko> and if you open ccsm
[13:54] <hikiko> sometimes
[13:54] <hikiko> you see many "Default"
[13:54] <hikiko> one for ini, one for gsettings etc
[13:54] <hikiko> each backend has its own Default
[13:54] <hikiko> and Default.ini is only read by the flat-file backend
[13:55] <Trevinho> sure..... So, if you use the default.ini in unity, then unity will use the ini backend then... and we don't want that.
[13:55] <hikiko> no
[13:55] <hikiko> if you use default.ini + flat file
[13:55] <hikiko> if you keep the gsettings backend
[13:55] <hikiko> and edit the default.ini
[13:55] <Trevinho> ok, ok... that's fine
[13:55] <Trevinho> So you say to use default.ini + gsettings....
[13:56] <hikiko> that's impossible :)
[13:56] <Trevinho> Eh, so we can't do it :)
[13:56] <hikiko> I say to use default.ini + flat
[13:56] <hikiko> if we need gsettings we can't use the default.ini
[13:56] <hikiko> and we have to fix compiz
[13:57] <hikiko> to read the gsettings instantly
[13:57] <hikiko> *if* that's possible
[13:58] <hikiko> but I think that using flat+default.ini doesn't cause any problems
[14:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: it does, for the way we change settings around...
[14:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: we assumes *everywhere* that settings are managed from gsettings
[14:01] <Trevinho> and we can't change that
[14:01] <Trevinho> it would break not only lots of scripts and uss, which we've control on, but also some documentation around in how to do advanced things...
[14:02] <Trevinho> or external tools such as unity-tweak-tool
[14:02] <Trevinho> I'd prefer to enable lowgfx after a logout before risking to regress IMHO
[14:03] <hikiko> I didn't see any issues with unity-tweak tool tbh
[14:03] <hikiko> all gsettings for the *current* profile apply instantly let's see something that is profile specific
[14:05] <hikiko> well
[14:05] <hikiko> better fix compiz if you insist that gsettings are the only option
[14:05] <hikiko> it's stupid to ask the user to restart
[14:06] <hikiko> I am gonna get a look
[14:06] <Trevinho> Sure... I don't like to restart either...
[14:06] <Trevinho> But we've to use gsettings.
[14:07] <Trevinho> If you say that gsettings values are used anyway it's fine... But in that case I think that a default.ini + gsettings is possible then, as otherwise I wouldn't say how that happens
[14:18]  * desrt raises an eyebrow
[14:20] <desrt> Trevinho, hikiko: DTRT :)
[14:23] <hikiko> Trevinho, I ll try a few things until monday and we see :)
[14:23] <hikiko> hi desrt
[14:23] <hikiko> what
[14:24] <hikiko> what's DTRT?
[14:24] <desrt> "do the right thing"
[14:24] <hikiko> lol
[14:24] <hikiko> thanks for the useful advice! :p
[14:24] <desrt> it's a gentle reminder that dirty hacks are bad
[14:24] <hikiko> happy thursday btw :)
[14:24] <desrt> happy thursday :D
[14:26] <hikiko> we are the bad ones desrt :D
[14:26]  * hikiko counts the countless dirty hacks she has seen in projects :p
[14:29] <desrt> you can just say "project"... compiz alone is already into the "countless" territory :)
[14:30] <hikiko> hahaha
[14:31] <hikiko> we never run out of bug fixes :p
[14:32]  * desrt wonders why domestic bank transfers in germany take so much time...
[14:33] <hikiko> lol
[14:54] <xnox> desrt, indeed it is instant in e.g. Latvia (eur) and the UK (gbp)
[15:09] <Sweet5hark> flexiondotorg: https://git.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/df-libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap-playground/log/?h=xenial
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark Thanks.
[15:17] <hikiko> ho! :)
[15:17] <hikiko> I've made it work real-time with gsettings
[15:17] <hikiko> :p
[15:17] <hikiko> but now it doesn't work with flat :////
[15:17] <hikiko> :p
[15:18] <hikiko> i know we don't care about flat but some people have flat by default :p
[15:18] <hikiko> I am gonna make it work with both :D
[15:23] <seb128> hikiko, nice work, was is the patch like?
[15:26] <hikiko> well, it's a bit stupid seb128 :p but I realized that the libccs functions only work with gsettings so 1- you have to switch to gsettings backend 2- that you don't have to use the profile names but the profile filenames 3- that you have to set other info too like integration and pluginautosort (whatever is in .config)
[15:26] <hikiko> there's a prob though I'll fix now
[15:26] <seb128> k, good job in any case :-)
[15:26] <hikiko> when you install ubuntu for the first time
[15:26] <hikiko> you have flat file
[15:27] <hikiko> I've found a relevant bug report with a fix
[15:27] <hikiko> but it still happens
[15:27] <hikiko> so I'll take the flat case into account too
[15:28] <hikiko> if the backend is flat, I'll overwrite the default.ini
[15:28] <hikiko> if it's gsettings
[15:28] <hikiko> I'll do it properly with compizconfig
[15:28] <hikiko> so everyone's happy, no crashes, no reboots :p
[16:05] <Trevinho> hikiko: cooolio
[16:06] <Trevinho> seb128: as for the gnome runtime.....
[16:06] <Trevinho> seb128: by using that it means that your app builds will go to edge?
[16:07] <seb128> Trevinho, you builds go whever you upload it I think, but it's a question for #snappy
[16:07] <seb128> Trevinho, but since the runtime is in edge users probably manually need to install it from there
[16:07] <Trevinho> seb128: that would look weird as isn't the runtime only available in edge?
[16:07] <seb128> Trevinho, which means your snap isn't going to work out of the box
[16:07] <Trevinho> eh...
[16:07] <seb128> right
[16:07] <Trevinho> mh, I'll give it a try, but I guess it's not for production yet
[16:07] <seb128> we can move the runtime to stable
[16:07] <seb128> I was waiting for some feedback before doing that
[16:08] <seb128> but nobody gave some so far
[16:08] <Trevinho> seb128: right... I'm the one will give it to you :-)
[16:08] <seb128> flexiondotorg played with it I think
[16:08] <seb128> but I don't think he has any store snap using it
[16:08] <seb128> flexiondotorg, ^  right?
[16:08] <flexiondotorg> I have.
[16:08] <flexiondotorg> I don't have published snaps yet.
[16:09] <seb128> right
[16:09] <seb128> things were working for you though?
[16:09] <flexiondotorg> But just an hour ago I found out store assertions would enable me to auto connect my snaps to the platform snap :-)
[16:09] <seb128> I though they wouldn't do that though?
[16:09] <seb128> because there was not process defined
[16:10] <seb128> and well, they need to be from the same user to be able to share no? or did they lift that requirement?
[16:11] <seb128> I'm probably confusing the "no process defined" with something else
[16:11] <seb128> Trevinho, in what context was it that you were asking Jamie about that?
[16:11] <seb128> it was for the dbus name not the sharing?
[16:12] <Trevinho> seb128: mhmh... I asked for dbus, and they did it...
[16:13] <Trevinho> seb128: but I also asked for getting some things like avahi-monitor plugs... I mean for the ones that would need manual connection
[16:13] <Trevinho> and for those there are no policies eyt
[16:13] <Trevinho> *yet
[16:13] <seb128> ah right, that was it
[16:13] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[16:26] <Trevinho> seb128: I was looking at the examples, but the snap-launcher-hack is not needed anymore, right? As it's in the default desktop launcher repo...
[16:26] <seb128> Trevinho, correct
[16:27] <seb128> talking to Trevinho reminds me that I should book some train ticket and an hotel room for fosdem
[16:27] <seb128> or just be lazy and not go :p
[16:27] <Trevinho> seb128: noooooooooooo
[16:27] <Trevinho> Book it!
[16:27] <seb128> lol
[16:28]  * Laney feels unvalued
[16:28] <Trevinho> seb128: and remember that you can share with us.
[16:28] <Trevinho> Laney: no I valued you^ :-D
[16:28] <Laney> i know YOU do, Trevinho
[16:29] <seb128> k, I can't make Laney sad
[16:29]  * seb128 books tickets
[16:29] <seb128> Trevinho, let's see how much is a room, you can pay a share with $drinks ;-)
[16:29] <Laney> :D
[16:32]  * Trevinho knows seb128 will get drunk then :-D
[16:32] <seb128> that's part of the plan :p
[16:33]  * Trevinho loves to see seb128 motivated :-D
[16:33] <seb128> :-)
[16:36] <Sweet5hark> guys, get going, Bruessels is no fun without you guys.
[16:36] <Laney> don't you have your TDF buddies?
[16:44] <Sweet5hark> Laney: sure, hanging out in the evening with friends is just so inconvenient with that many knifes in the back.
[16:44] <Trevinho> Laney: don't unvaluete yourself now
[16:44] <Trevinho> unvalue*
[16:47] <Laney> I just meant for tonight :(
[16:47] <Laney> obviously we'll be there tomorrow to level things up a bit
[16:53] <attente> can't seem to dput to a ppa for some reason...
[18:10] <willcooke> night all
[18:11] <Laney> night also!
[18:12] <BLu2> 😴
[21:15] <ochosi> Laney: hey there! wanna exchange numbers or something in case we don't find each other at the beer event tomorrow?
[22:12] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1661343
[22:12] <muktupavels> any idea how to fix that?
[22:14] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, not sure. Does the lightdm.log show anything?
[22:17] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: I think there is nothing usefull. Session is started before greeter is closed/stoped. Maybe device is used/opened by greeter and because that session fails to open it?
[22:18] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, oh, that might be it. Perhaps the session is assuming that the logind session has been changed before the session starts?
[22:18] <muktupavels> changed?
[22:20] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, the active session is changed. I'm not sure of the correct term for it.
[22:20] <robert_ancell> The ActivateSession() call in D-Bus
[22:20] <robert_ancell> Though this is just a guess
[22:21] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, oh, hang on. It works with seat0? i.e. this is a multi-seat only issue?
[22:22] <muktupavels> robert_ancell, don't know. session is started, but it fails because mutter can not open /dev/dri/card1. And looking in log file i see that greeter is stoping only after session is started.
[22:22] <muktupavels> yes, problem is with seat1
[22:22] <muktupavels> seat0 works
[22:22] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's intentional to stop the greeter after the session - that way you can (in theory) be sure the session is started
[22:22] <muktupavels> also autologin works after reboot
[22:22] <robert_ancell> The combination of multi-seat and Wayland is putting this well outside my experience level :)
[22:24] <muktupavels> problem is that it fails to open card1, because it is used by greeter and/or xorg? I dont know much about it.
[22:24] <muktupavels> If lightdm does not start greeter it works at least after reboot.
[22:26] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, I don't know why this would be any different to the seat0 case, since they should be using different cards right?
[22:26] <muktupavels> loging out gives me black screen, then lightdm fails to start display server
[22:26] <robert_ancell> i.e. seat0=card0, seat1=card1
[22:26] <muktupavels> yes
[22:27] <muktupavels> robert_ancell, because seat0 canMultiSession=yes, CanTTY=yes, bet for seat1 both are no.
[22:27] <robert_ancell> huh
[22:27] <muktupavels> Simply seat0 probably starts on different tty
[22:31] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: loging out from wayland session (from autologin) fails to start xserver
[22:31] <muktupavels> _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
[22:31] <muktupavels> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running
[22:31] <muktupavels> Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running(EE)


[06:46] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think I have just a few more tests I think of. Mostly switching from internal/other to USB on plug. I think all the drop downs display the right thing now...
[06:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I am not sure any more if I should continue to not save anything till apply or save on any change  but not tell autojack till apply.
[06:50] <OvenWerks> I think I will leave itbecause if I save every time then a change but no apply then reboot will apply anyway.
[06:52] <OvenWerks> Anyway, if tomorrow's test goes ok, it gets called beta (should have been alpha the last few but whatever.
[06:59] <OvenWerks> I think It is ready for public testing anyway.
[15:17] <OvenWerks> Just found a nasty bug in autojack that would cause autojack to hang and require kill -9 to stop...
[15:17] <OvenWerks> I had seen this happen before but had not connected it with anything till now.
[15:19] <OvenWerks> I am sure people have run up against this but called it something else.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am happy with studio-controls but there is still a bit with autojack I want to change. There seem to be a number of config changes that restart jack that should not.
[15:23] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks: do you know how to recreate it? I don't think it ever happened to me
[15:23] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: how to recreate which?
[15:24] <OvenWerks> The hang bug? already fixed :)
[15:25] <OvenWerks> the extra restarts? That may be something new features has caused so not in any released version I think.
[15:25] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks: the nasty bug in autojack you mentioned above.
[15:25] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "The hang bug? already fixed :)"> hah! you are too fast!
[15:26] <OvenWerks> when unplugging a USB device we are using as master, jack is restarted (good)
[15:27] <OvenWerks> however, we have a jack client open and when we try to open it again... So when we detect anything that will restart jack I have to make sure our old client is deactivated and removed
[15:28] <OvenWerks> I didn't at first connect it to removing the device because jack did restart just fine
[15:28]  * OvenWerks is off to get son ready for school
[16:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Saw your PM, we can put it here. What kinds of issues in your articles did you find?
[16:59] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: https://frontpagelinux.com/tutorials/ubuntu-studio-20-10-audio-setup-tutorial/
[16:59] <MauroGaspari[m]> towards the end of the tutorial I show how to add some microphone effects, and auto start carla with all the settings preloaded.
[16:59] <MauroGaspari[m]> the patchbay looks like this which is ok https://imgur.com/hLZQjcR
[17:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> however, if I leave it like that, after reboot, studio controls will automatically directly connect system to pulse in, so patchbay becomes like this https://imgur.com/w0vqN5z
[17:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> So I think I need to add the steps to disable auto connect in studio controls, like here. https://imgur.com/6tDwayn
[17:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> when I do that, after reboot patchbay looks good like this https://imgur.com/hLZQjcR
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I see what you're saying. I picked up on that as well.
[17:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> can you confirm that is correct? or if there is a better way to deal with thtat?
[17:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's actually fairly easy. It's a matter of going into the Pulse bridging and telling it not to auto connect to anything.
[17:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> That should persist through reboots.
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm running the alpha of 2.1, but it's worded "Auto Connect Port" and you can change it to "no connection".
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> 2.0 has the same interface, just worded slightly differently.
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd have to downgrade to see it, though.
[17:05] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: yes yes perfect, same as in my screenshot. confirmed to persist through reboots this way
[17:05] <MauroGaspari[m]> thank you so much!
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> No problem! :)
[17:06] <MauroGaspari[m]> I will add the extra step in my tutorials
[17:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, some people might appreciate that. Agordejo (if I can ever get it into hirsute, its build system has a Python 3.9 compatibility issue) will also make people's lives easier.
[17:19] <OvenWerks> there are two ways to look at this (maybe more?) should this use NSM? If so should jack connect mode be changed? and if no self connect is set, should autojack refrain from connecting pulse ports even though it is not really a self connect?
[17:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I'd leave it up to the user. The self-connect is good for just getting up and running, letting NSM handle it might be a more advanced, custom session thing.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> What we really need is a patchbay, that's the #1 thing people are missing and why they keep turning back to qjackctl.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Of course, not understanding that Carla is an excellent patchbay.
[17:27] <OvenWerks> catia is what we need. If it didn't have duplicate clients all over I would say grab it...
[17:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have added a tool tip to Carla that says to use it in patch bay mode
[17:28] <OvenWerks> (better words though)
[17:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Excellent. I supposed I *could* package Catia from Cadence's source since one can compile it by itslf.
[17:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: there is a separate Catia repo on github
[17:29] <OvenWerks> but no release yet
[17:29] <MauroGaspari[m]> So far carla had been great, the issue i explained is mostly due to me  being a noob . Quite easy to fix that in studio controls
[17:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, maybe we should throw caution to the wind and just go with that. :/
[17:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: it does show duplicate clients
[17:30] <OvenWerks>  one with the ports and one without
[17:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oof, yeah, that can't happen.
[17:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Stick with Carla for now, I guess.
[17:31] <MauroGaspari[m]>  * So far carla has been great, the issue i explained is mostly due to me  being a noob . Quite easy to fix that in studio controls
[17:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> I know Filipe has been trying to break that away from Cadence for some time now. He's a lot like me in that he has limited time due to $dayjob.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: What do you make of https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/issues/36 ?
[17:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Thank you. I will fix that too.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: 👍
[17:37] <OvenWerks> There is a file /usr/share/studio-controls/version that has the current version. All three executables are supposed to pick that up
[17:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: So, does that mean it just... didn't, or that the arch package didn't install it?
[17:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: So, good news on the Nuitka front: the dev has released a new version to fix the Python 3.9 stuff. More good news: the dev is also a DD and is likely already working on uploading it.
[17:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: spelling error. path was set to /usr/share/studio_controls/
[17:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Oof, but easy fix.
[17:54] <OvenWerks> I was wondering why the gui was showing the version fine.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> version is part of the long term plan to auto detect old version of autojack still running as well as if we should run convert in the future
[19:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That's what I figured. Makes sense, definitely helps the process.
[19:30] <OvenWerks> I also wanted a user to know what version they have so now it shows in the GUI
[19:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: 2.0.24-pre is out. Hopefully this will be become 2.1
[22:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Sounds good. I'll grab it soon!
[22:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Do you have a PayPal address?
[22:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Orrr... better yet. DM me your address.
[22:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> And your shirt size.
[22:48] <OvenWerks> cost me $18 to get it across the border...
[22:48] <OvenWerks> paypal is just my email len ovenwerks net
[22:50] <OvenWerks> I remember very clearly an angry young lady "my mom sent me this tshirt that she paid for but I have to pay $18 to get it"
[22:50]  * OvenWerks was the collecting as the delivering letter carrier
[22:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, spreadshirt has international shipping, but if it costs you money then I can just give you a christmas gift via PayPal.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> Yeah I don't know they may be like amazon and take care of border stuff.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> Anyway, thank you either way.
[22:56] <OvenWerks> sorry to be wet rag-ish :)
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I should put a PP link on one of my pages
[23:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok, sounds good. :)


[01:34] <biotrox> hello need help
[01:34] <biotrox> :(
[10:17] <schwarzekraus1> Hi, all
[10:18] <schwarzekraus1> Does anybody knows how to make my ALC268 audiocard on HP Pavilion laptop work under GG's RC?


[06:22] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari and others
[06:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:23]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:29] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[06:29] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[06:29] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[06:29] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:29] <superfly> môre maiatoday
[07:05] <Kilos> lo Tonberry
[07:06] <Tonberry> more
[07:45] <maiatoday> hello Kilos superfly and everybody else
[07:54] <Kilos> i really am starting to appreciate wget now
[07:58] <Kilos> so fast and frugal
[07:58] <Kilos> hehe thats a nice word hey
[08:03] <Kilos> bbl
[08:05] <sakhi> Maaz: wget Kilos ;)
[08:05] <Maaz> sakhi: *blink*
[08:05] <sakhi> mornings
[13:13] <Kilos> afternoon all
[13:13] <Kilos> wb you ping timeout guys
[13:14] <sakhi> Seacom
[13:17] <Kilos> ah hiya sakhi
[13:23]  * nlsthzn waves
[13:25] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn howzit
[13:26] <nlsthzn> Hey Uncle Kilos ...
[13:29] <nlsthzn> All well in SA land with all the peeps...?
[14:05] <inetpro> good morning
[14:11]  * nlsthzn waves at inetpro
[14:14]  * inetpro waves back at nlsthzn o/
[14:24] <Kilos> cremora inetpro
[14:26] <inetpro> hihio Kilos
[14:28] <Kilos> bbl
[16:22] <Kilos> inetpro, is julle skool al op ubuntu?
[16:51] <superfly> Kilos: I doubt it... inetpro would probably be jumping up and down and proclaiming it on Facebook, Twitter and Floss.pro
[16:51] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[16:52] <Kilos> he doesnt follow the lists so the last one from peter nel and neil should be of interest to him as it saves the school money
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:38]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you my friendly bot
[17:42] <Maaz> Kilos: np
[18:25] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey Squirm
[18:26] <Squirm> hello
[18:26] <kbmonkey> hello!
[18:26] <kbmonkey> how goes it?
[18:26] <Kilos> fine ty and you
[18:27] <kbmonkey> fine ty. studies going slooow
[18:28] <Kilos> give it all you got. knowledge is power
[18:31] <kbmonkey> it is power! :)
[18:31] <kbmonkey> thanks oom Kilos!
[18:33] <kbmonkey> had a good workout today, im knackered, excercise the body and mind :)
[18:33] <kbmonkey> gn all
[18:33] <Kilos> night kbmonkey sleep tight
[18:34] <kbmonkey> was dreaming of code the other night. lol
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:45]  * inetpro lol at superfly
[18:45] <inetpro> hmm... kilos goes to bed way to quick for me