[00:28] <Lims> Good evening all. Does anyone have any resources they could point me to. I would like to customize an install of ubuntu (mythbuntu to be exact) and then move that install to a LiveCD.
[00:39] <yofel> Lims: this is about creating customized lived disks if that's what you're looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[02:35] <brennydoogles> Hey all
[02:36] <brennydoogles> Anyone in here using a laptop?
[03:01]  * Cheri703 has a laptop, what do you need?
[04:16] <DrewQ> so i'm running this 10.10 netbook version, and i want to know how to edit the icons that appear on the left-hand "launcher" thing. anyone?
[04:18] <aveilleux> DrewQ: I'm not sure you can. I've never been able to figure it out, anyway.
[04:19] <DrewQ> aw, lame. there's a "remove" option, but i'm afraid to remove anything if i cant put stuff back on, ya know? i dont want an empty launcher.
[06:33] <Eleanor> Can anyone please tell me how to stop an endless loop during an installation? I don´t want to start again from scratch as I already did that.
[06:38] <Eleanor> Sorry - closed the wrong window. Can anyone please tell me how to stop an endless loop during an installation? I don´t want to start again from scratch as I already did that.
[06:42] <UndiFineD> what is looping Eleanor ?
[06:43] <UndiFineD> you did the install and then it starts over again ? is the system booting without the installation medium
[06:47] <Eleanor> Installing ubuntu-desktop has entered what I think is aloop,during installation,before it has completed.
[06:49] <geekosopher> Eleanor: what exactly happens during the 'loop', the installation does not complete? Do you get any errors?
[06:51] <Eleanor> Install of base system went fine, only a few error messages. But I don´t know enough to run in cli so did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop - 15hours ago ... it keeps saying [some.number] sr0: CDROM (ioctl) error,command: Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 00
[06:53] <Eleanor> Apparently, this means I must remove the sr module with modprobe, but I´m not sure of the best way to exit the loop and what is left hanging, incomplete, if I do.
[06:53] <geekosopher> Eleanor: which version of Ubuntu? and how are you trying to install, CD?
[06:54] <Eleanor> Hardy Heron server installed from CD
[06:55] <Eleanor> I expect ^Z would exit the loop, but what happens to the rest of the desktop install?
[06:55] <geekosopher> Eleanor: sorry, but server is what I have never installed...
[06:57] <Eleanor> The version is probably unimportant, just wonder if there is a way to exit the loop without the abandoning the whole process.
[06:59] <Cheri703> Eleanor: are you trying to get the FULL ubuntu desktop, or just the graphical interface?
[07:00] <Eleanor> command I used was apt-get install ubuntu-desktop - is that just the GUI or the whole package? I am not sure.
[07:02] <Eleanor> Btw,this is a continuation of my hdd and dvd issues - trying a reinstall, but this time it´s being different.
[07:05] <Cheri703> it is the WHOLE package
[07:05] <Cheri703> I have a link somewhere for installing JUST the graphical stuff, not all the extras, do you want the extras? or be able to pick and choose?
[07:06] <Cheri703> sudo aptitude  install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <Cheri703> that's what you want to use if you want the barebones version
[07:06]  * Cheri703 has done it, it works
[07:07] <Eleanor> Changed from gNewSense deltah to Ubuntu Server 8.04, but the same kernel module issues plague me in my new incarnation. Maybe by opening another tty, if that is possible? I wish I knew enough about cli to work this out.
[07:07] <Cheri703> ok, so server 8.04 is installed, you're just trying to add ubuntu-desktop, yes?
[07:08] <geekosopher> Eleanor: from what google shows, it looks like that error has got something to do with bad cd/dvd drive
[07:09] <Eleanor> Yes. All I want right now is to exit this loop without trashing my system.
[07:10] <Eleanor> My dvd drive is fine,it is the modules or their options that are problematic - the drive works fine in windoze, not GNU/Linux!
[07:10] <Cheri703> ok, you should be able to exit without issue as long as the basic OS is already installed (as in, you installed, and were able to boot into it afterwards, then did the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop)
[07:11] <Eleanor> Sigh of relief. Thank you.
[07:11] <Cheri703> pressing ctrl c *should* cancel the install
[07:11] <geekosopher> may be, just may be if this is of help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=485597
[07:11] <Eleanor> Wasn´t game to - I am a total coward.
[07:11] <Cheri703> after that, run " sudo aptitude  install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop "
[07:12] <Cheri703> (without quotes obviously)
[07:12] <Cheri703> that will give you the basic desktop, hopefully. unless that other thing is causing other problems
[07:12] <Cheri703> honestly, I'd just disconnect the drive until I had everything else set and working, and THEN tackle that...but that's me
[07:13] <Eleanor> Thanks - not game to open the box - it hates that.
[07:13] <Cheri703> understandable
[07:14] <Eleanor> geeksopher: That´s the link I thought I´d follow - very encouraging that you also suggested it may help, it was the only google result that looked hopeful.
[07:17] <Eleanor> Everybody kept telling me my dvd drive was broken, but when I installed, Win98 Nero could use it the way brasero cannot -  I am now sure it is a driver issue and so I can solve it when I know more.
[07:17] <Cheri703> do you know the model?
[07:20] <Eleanor> It is a MATASHITA DVD-RAM (can´t access model no. atm) and apparently they are awkward.
[07:25] <Eleanor> Oh no! ^C exited something, I assume, but the loop is still going - maybe modprobe just  keeps asking the same stupid question every ten seconds. I think that is a bug that needs fixing.
[07:25] <Cheri703> :(
[07:25] <Eleanor> What a silly programme.
[07:28] <Eleanor> Now,which process do I have to kill to stop this daft error message interrupting anything I type?
[07:28] <UndiFineD> might be a good idea to replace the dvd-ram someday, if you have more than one machine, an external one perhaps
[07:30] <Eleanor> Thanks for the suggestion, but I don´t replace components that are not broken.
[07:30] <Cheri703> Eleanor: I think a good step would be finding out the exact model number
[07:30] <Cheri703> that way you can search and see if there is a specific issue with that model
[07:31] <Eleanor> Tried an external USB cdrom- it couldn´t burn an iso to save it´s life.
[07:32] <Cheri703> I have an adapter that turns ide or sata drives into usb, I discovered a while ago that I can use it with internal cd drives, so my "external" drive is just really big :)
[07:33] <Eleanor> Yes, apparently everyone is advised to replace this model drive - not much help. I´ll talk to Panasonic when my more pressing issues are over.
[07:34] <Eleanor> I suspect that much of my trouble is my OS pretending that all my drives are SCSI and mangling the inodes as a result.
[07:37] <Cheri703> well, good luck with it! I'm off to bed, it's almost 3am here!
[07:38] <Eleanor> Thanks. Sweet dreams ,
[07:42] <Eleanor> Next question: what do the ever-increasing numbers in square brackets at the start of every log entry signify, please, O Clever Ones?
[07:45] <UndiFineD> time since bootup
[07:46] <Eleanor> Thanks
[07:46] <UndiFineD> :)
[07:48] <Eleanor> The left number is the number of minutes and the right one is the number of seconds, or some other code? Does this mean that the same timestamp will occur in different logs so I can get a picture of a single event?
[07:50] <UndiFineD> tsarting my log file viewer
[07:51] <Eleanor> Sorry for having to ask such basic questions, but none of fthe tutorialsI have done have covered these areas.
[07:51] <UndiFineD> true, it is always considered out of scope
[07:51] <UndiFineD> unless you are doing debug / security
[07:52] <Eleanor> Either they are too light and general or too deep and meaningful.
[07:52] <Eleanor> I would debug if I could - bugs I have in abundance!
[07:53] <UndiFineD> why does the log file viewer app, by default go to /var/log/messages, that file is huge
[07:53] <Eleanor> It´ssilly. I want to write a programme called bugspray - the programme that helps you find and fix the bugs.
[07:54] <Eleanor> Everyone has bugs,no-one has solutions ...
[07:54] <Eleanor> At least yourlog viewer doesSOMETHING
[07:55] <Eleanor> mine just says it´s starting, but never does
[07:57] <UndiFineD> Nov 21 07:45:02 head kernel: [169195.245245] php[24659]: segfault at 13d4270 ip 013d4270 sp bfeeb20c error 7 in pgsql.so[13cf000+17000]
[07:59] <UndiFineD> [169195.245245] is seconds, behind the dot are the smaller portions of it
[07:59] <Eleanor> Very pretty - now what does itmean?
[08:00] <Eleanor> Right
[08:00] <UndiFineD> some systems can work realtime with superfast clocks
[08:00] <Eleanor> Wassa segfault?
[08:00] <UndiFineD> so they might need this detail
[08:00] <UndiFineD> that is a broken app due to a bug
[08:01] <UndiFineD> it was killed
[08:02] <Eleanor> Thanks again. My system has 2x550MHz CPUs but Ubuntu thinks I only have one, so I already operate at halfspeed. Maybe I should just run MS on this box, but I hate togivein.
[08:03] <UndiFineD> or upgrade the kernel
[08:05] <Eleanor> Aaaaagggh!  So much for a reboot. I hope to compile a suitable kernel when I know how.  Now I can´t see any error messages. I hate GUIs.
[08:18] <UndiFineD> oh i removed about all components of plymouth and removed the executable bit in /etc/init.d
[08:21] <Eleanor> I want to learn about init.d and its friends (initramfs, etc) but can´t find where tolearn.
[08:22] <Eleanor> Like,why does menu.1st insist my GNU/Linux system  hdd is number 4, not 0, as it really is?
[08:28] <UndiFineD> i want to learn my daughter to be on time in school, she is 17, but today i let her sleep until it was 15 mins past her time to be there ... she has to learn these things become her own responsibility
[08:32] <Eleanor> I agree - once they are at high school, they need to want to go get an education and be self-motivated. Mine skipped schoolonceshe´d left home and now she is unemployable- at 19, so I am no use as a parent, but you have to start treating them as adults sometime.
[08:38] <Eleanor> Have to switch ethernet to naughty system now - hope I´ll be back soon with an operable server.. Have fun,folks.
[13:19] <serfus> i want to install ubuntu from a DOK (on a windows machine) the file system of the DOK is ext3/ext4 , do i need to format it?
[13:26] <Andy_1> Hello everyone
[13:50] <arriva13> i am using ubuntu 10.10 with wubi, at the installation i dediceted inly 6GB for the installation, cos i only wanted to try...but now i would like to enlarge those 6GB to try it a bit longer, is it possible??
[13:51] <arriva13> hey everyone :)
[13:52] <aveilleux> arriva13, You can use a partition manager like GParted; it comes on the Ubuntu LiveCD
[13:53] <arriva13> ok, but wint it harm my windows partition
[13:53] <arriva13> ?
[13:53] <arriva13> with all my datas?
[13:53] <aveilleux> arriva13, No. GParted nondestructively resizes partitions.
[13:55] <arriva13> because it is actually installed as a program in windows to a directory on my C:windows partition
[13:55] <aveilleux> arriva13, I know. The data on both partitions is unchanged.
[13:56] <arriva13> ok, i am gonna try it right now :)
[14:00] <arriva13> but it only shows me my C partition, like NTFS 80 Gigs
[14:00] <arriva13> no mention about a linux partition
[14:00] <arriva13> that is about 6 gb
[14:01] <arriva13> it is installed in my c: windows partition
[14:01] <arriva13> C:/ubuntu or something
[14:01] <aveilleux> ...oh. Right. Wubi.
[14:01] <arriva13> yeah
[14:01] <arriva13> wubi
[14:02] <aveilleux> Wubi is so much different than a standard install, it's so hard to troubleshoot sometimes.
[14:02] <arriva13> or shall i just reinstall it completely with more space?
[14:02] <aveilleux> I know it's possible to increase the size of the Wubi allocation, let me look something up
[14:03] <arriva13> is there any reason to make a clean install of ubuntu with all the partitioning rather than using wubi?
[14:04] <aveilleux> arriva13, Yes, it's a million times simpler to manage.
[14:04] <arriva13> is it??
[14:04] <aveilleux> arriva13, And it's running on a native Linux file system instead of NTFS.
[14:05] <arriva13> because i like ubuntu, but i want to keep windows as well...because ofmany apps i use there
[14:05] <aveilleux> arriva13, You can dual-boot.
[14:05] <arriva13> i know
[14:05] <arriva13> but it takes some time
[14:06] <arriva13> wubi took me approx. 10 mins :)
[14:06] <aveilleux> arriva13, Yes, but Wubi is a kind of terrible system for long-term deployment.
[14:06] <arriva13> you might be right
[14:06] <arriva13> my intention was just to give it a try :)
[14:07] <arriva13> i will consider all the partitioning and a clean install with dual boot
[14:07] <arriva13> :)
[14:07] <aveilleux> arriva13, I can't find anything about increasing the size of the virtual discs... a lot of people asking, but no solutions.
[14:09] <arriva13> yeah...
[14:09] <arriva13> i might do a transfer from wubi to new partition
[14:09] <arriva13> i saw some instructions on doing that with some tool
[14:10] <arriva13> it is called LVPM
[14:11] <aveilleux> arriva13, LVPM is the correct tool, but... I don't know how it works and the usage guides are a little out of date
[14:11] <arriva13> well i might do a clean install after resizing my partition in windows
[14:12] <arriva13> is there a graphical boot selector?? i have seen it on some netbook and i would like to get it too
[14:12] <aveilleux> arriva13, How do you mean "graphical">
[14:12] <aveilleux> ?*
[14:13] <arriva13> not just word: windows and ubuntu...there was a logo of windows and ubuntu on the screen instead of text
[14:17] <arriva13> i found that
[14:17] <arriva13> it is called BURG
[14:17] <arriva13> it replaces GRUB
[14:17] <arriva13> :)
[14:32] <brennydoogles> Hey all
[14:32] <brennydoogles> Cheri703, Still here?
[14:32] <Cheri703> yes
[14:32] <Cheri703> well, back :)
[14:33] <brennydoogles> Me too
[14:33] <brennydoogles> !
[14:33] <brennydoogles> So you have a laptop eh?
[14:33] <Cheri703> netbook, but yep :)
[14:33] <brennydoogles> Cool
[14:34] <brennydoogles> Would you mind trying out my new tutorial and telling me what you think?
[14:34] <brennydoogles> It's pretty amazing.....
[14:34] <brennydoogles> :)
[14:34] <Cheri703> give me just a minute, apparently going to file a bug, but then, sure :)
[14:34] <brennydoogles> Woot!
[14:34] <brennydoogles> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1629433
[14:35] <brennydoogles> It is about how to automatically disable your touchpad when an external mouse is connected
[14:36] <Cheri703> mine did it on its own last night and it was ANNOYING....I'm used to using a mix of both
[14:38] <brennydoogles> lol
[14:38] <brennydoogles> My touchpad blows
[14:38] <brennydoogles> However, the script I wrote for that thread can be easily set as a keyboard shortcut, and that's ridiculously helpful
[14:39] <brennydoogles> because you can toggle the keyboard on or off with one key combination
[14:41] <brennydoogles> Well kids, I need to go help my wife cook for Thanksgiving
[14:41] <brennydoogles> Have a great day!
[14:44] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[14:48] <pedro3005> hello Silver_Fox_
[14:48] <Silver_Fox_> Hello pedro3005 .  How are you?
[14:48] <pedro3005> I'm doing well
[14:48] <pedro3005> and you
[14:48] <pedro3005> ?
[14:49] <Silver_Fox_> I am okay thank you pedro3005 . Good to hear your alright :)
[14:59] <Andy_1> hi
[14:59] <Andy_1> can anyone help me with this? read my last post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1629799
[15:58] <hakimsheriff> Which anitvirus is better Avast or AVG?
[15:59] <Cheri703> I prefer avast
[15:59] <Cheri703> avg is VERY bloated
[15:59] <Cheri703> I use avast combined with SuperAntiSpyware
[15:59] <Cheri703> *in windows
[15:59] <hakimsheriff> what about for ubuntu?
[16:00] <pedro3005> you don't really need an anti-virus for ubuntu
[16:00] <pedro3005> unless if you want to scan files for windows viruses
[16:02] <hakimsheriff> I just want to be extra secure
[18:10] <prasoon> Good Evening.... i have ubuntu on my laptop along with kbuntu and win xp... i was trying to change the panel settings when i accidentally put 2 panels on the same location and all  my panels auto hide and when i log into ubuntu it it just freezes but in kbuntu it work  PLEASE PLEASE help me
[18:12] <LostHorizons> hi
[18:13] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, can you atleast get into terminal? if you can, then restore panels to default
[18:14] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, there?
[18:14] <Mohan_chml> LostHorizons, hello
[18:14] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, hit Alt+F2
[18:15] <prasoon> Mohan_chml but my kbuntu is woking
[18:15] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, do you think it is a crash?
[18:16] <prasoon> i am sorry i am not such a experienced user but this happened when i mistakenly put 2 panels in the same location ie. top
[18:17] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, we can give a try by restoring panels in ubuntu
[18:17] <Mohan_chml> and if the only thing you have done is adding another pane;, your issue will get cleared
[18:19] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, still there? please respond so that I can get to know that you are still here
[18:19] <prasoon> ok how do i do that
[18:19] <prasoon> sorry
[18:20] <Mohan_chml> okay lemme list it
[18:20] <Mohan_chml> 1) press Alt+ F2 and in run application, type gnome-terminal
[18:20] <prasoon> u r asking me to do this in kbuntu
[18:20] <prasoon> ??
[18:21] <Mohan_chml> in the terminal, type the following commands one by one and hit enter
[18:21] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, if you have issues in Ubuntu, then you should do it there
[18:21] <Mohan_chml> try to run a failsafe boot
[18:21] <prasoon> ok i am doing it in kbuntu
[18:22] <Mohan_chml> no. you have that issue in Ubuntu right?
[18:22] <prasoon> sorry sir but how do i get into faul safe
[18:22] <prasoon> ?
[18:22] <prasoon> yes sir it is in ubuntu
[18:23] <prasoon> one info i want to tell you
[18:23] <Mohan_chml> in the login screen where you enter user name and password, you can see GMONE, try failsafe GNOME
[18:23] <Mohan_chml> tell that
[18:24] <prasoon> if i log off i can log into gnome i will try and come back here .
[18:24] <prasoon> if you can tell me what all i should do it will be great
[18:25] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, or can you make a not of what I am telling?
[18:25] <Mohan_chml> then you can try that in ubuntu
[18:27] <prasoon> sorry sir if you tell me what all i should do i will do and come back as i am using the same laptop to contact you
[18:28] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, 1) press Alt+ F2 and in run application, type gnome-terminal
[18:28] <Mohan_chml> in the terminal, type the following commands one by one and hit enter
[18:28] <Mohan_chml> 2) gconftool-2 --shutdown
[18:28] <Mohan_chml> 3) rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/panel
[18:28] <prasoon> okok
[18:28] <Mohan_chml> 4) pkill gnome-panel
[18:28] <Mohan_chml> and then reboot your machine
[18:29] <Mohan_chml> it will do
[18:29] <prasoon> ok
[18:30] <prasoon> i will do and come back and tell you
[18:30] <Mohan_chml> sure thing
[18:30] <Mohan_chml> :)
[18:30] <prasoon> thank you sir very much
[18:50] <prasoon> Hello Sir
[18:50] <zkriesse> prasoon: yes?
[18:51] <Mohan_chml> hey prasoon
[18:51] <prasoon> there was an improvement
[18:51] <Mohan_chml> what happened?
[18:51] <prasoon> let me explain what all i did
[18:51] <Mohan_chml> kay!
[18:52] <prasoon> first i logged into ubuntu with my user id  then i used the key board shortcuts to enter terminal an typed in all
[18:52] <Mohan_chml> ok
[18:53] <prasoon> then reebooted agin ino my acc still the problem was there so i tried to renter terminal but insted off terminal i was seeing only dots and no charecters, but
[18:55] <prasoon> there is another user id which is a standard user in that i could enter all was working fine but in my user id  i could not
[18:55] <prasoon> what should i do .... my user id is having root  privilage and the 2nd user doesnot

[19:00] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, and are you sure that you did added a new panel and nothing other than that?
[19:01] <prasoon> i did not get you ???
[19:02] <Mohan_chml> what you did before this issue came? just added a new panel?
[19:03] <prasoon> no no.... i had 4 panel one on each side...
[19:03] <prasoon> one which is on the right hand side was of cario dock
[19:03] <prasoon> all the other 3 are system panel
[19:04] <prasoon> ie top botom and left
[19:04] <Mohan_chml> hmmm! and then your machine got crashed right?
[19:04] <prasoon> no
[19:04] <prasoon> it was like this for the last 4 months
[19:04] <prasoon> and every thing was working fine
[19:05] <prasoon> but i did a mistake i was trying to switch the left and right panel
[19:05] <prasoon> so first i quit the crio dock
[19:06] <prasoon> then i opened the setting of the system panel on the left
[19:06] <prasoon> then insted of clicking right i ckicked on top wher already one panel is there then pressed k
[19:07] <prasoon> since i did this it is like that
[19:07] <prasoon> i had put in all the panel property to self hide
[19:08] <prasoon> this when the issue came up
[19:08] <Mohan_chml> can you take a screenshot of your desktop? with the top panel(s) displayed. also open terminal too and take a screenshot
[19:08] <Mohan_chml> !imagebin | prasoon
[19:08] <ubot2> prasoon: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[19:08] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, then use the link about and upload that screenshot
[19:09] <prasoon> ok i will do it and come back
[19:10] <prasoon> sorry i forgot to say i was not able to come out of terminal when i entered what should i do????
[19:12] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, type exit and it will close
[19:13] <prasoon> it did not close
[19:13] <Mohan_chml> Gah! I cant get the actual issue of your machine. what is the Ubuntu version you are using? and whats the processor and RAM and swap space
[19:14] <Mohan_chml> ?
[19:15] <prasoon> i have a acer aspire 4920g intel core 2 duo with 2 gb RAM and i am using ubuntu 10.04 lts version & 2.6 gb of swap
[19:15] <bioterror> I would like to see a screenshot of this problem
[19:17] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, better take a screenshot and that will be much more helpful to us
[19:17] <prasoon> i am extremly sorry for troubling you all this much
[19:17] <Mohan_chml> as Isaid, make your top panel(s) get displayed and open terminal too
[19:17] <prasoon> yes i will take that and come back
[19:17] <prasoon> but the top panel is alway visible
[19:18] <Mohan_chml> okay have your terminal visible too
[19:18] <prasoon> and if looked at it closely it seems it tries to go and hide
[19:19] <prasoon> i will take the screen shot and come back
[19:19] <Mohan_chml> okay we will be here to help =]
[19:19] <prasoon> thank you
[19:38] <evfool> hi all
[19:44] <igi> hy
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> hello
[19:51] <igi> can i have more software in my Software Center?
[19:55] <hobgoblin> igi: they are controlled by repositories - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[19:59] <igi> :(
[20:01] <hobgoblin> if you need more - say so
[20:03] <igi> jeah i need more software
[20:03] <hobgoblin> then you add more repos and ppa's - did you look at that link?
[20:04] <hobgoblin> is there something specific you are looking for?
[20:05] <igi> hmmm have all Linux OS a software center?
[20:06] <hobgoblin> not that I know of
[20:06] <hobgoblin> you could try looking in synapic instead of software centre
[20:07] <prasoon> hello
[20:08] <prasoon> there is aproblem i could not take ascreen shot so i have made a video if you say some where i will upload it..
[20:09] <hobgoblin> igi: try synaptic in the sys admin menu - that will show all of the software that is in the repos you have enabled
[20:10] <Mohan_chml> prasoon, make it  in youtube
[20:10] <prasoon> ok few minutes
[20:12] <igi> @hodgoblin yeah thx i think that is it i look for
[20:14] <hobgoblin> igi: ok
[20:14] <igi> thx
[20:15] <hobgoblin> welcome
[20:17] <LostHorizons> hi guys
[20:19] <Mohan_chml> heya hobgoblin. How are ya??
[20:20] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: failing somewhat, it's been a loooooong day
[20:21] <Mohan_chml> argh! :| Its nearly 2 AM here =]
[20:23] <LostHorizons> guys I have a question that I need some help on........ I use a Macbook Pro and I was wanting to install a distro of linux rather than partioning my own harddrive as I am a complete newbie and don't want to go causing damage or messing something up.
[20:23] <LostHorizons> so I asked on a forum about which distro would be suitable for me to install on a USB drive and someone said Ubuntu, however I don't see anywhere on the Ubuntu site information saying that you can install it on a USB drive
[20:24] <LostHorizons> is this correct or am I missing something on the site:
[20:26] <Mohan_chml> LostHorizons, please look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:27] <LostHorizons> ah right, thanks
[20:28] <Mohan_chml> yw (:
[20:28] <LostHorizons> can I ask, if i installed it on a USB drive, would it still work with my Macbook Pro's built in wi-fi?
[20:29] <Mohan_chml> LostHorizons, when you make a Live USB, you can make it as a portable operating system. Like if you plug it in, the you can go to "try ubuntu" and can check whether you are satisfied with it
[20:30] <LostHorizons> i see
[20:30] <Mohan_chml> Once you feel satisfied, then you can dual boot it with Mac OS by which you can have Ubuntu as well as Mac
[20:30] <LostHorizons> Mohan_chml: that's what I think would be complex
[20:30] <LostHorizons> trying to partition my mac to do this
[20:30] <LostHorizons> is there a simple program that will help me or clear instructions on how to do this for new users?
[20:30] <Mohan_chml> Naw. and you have a common partition?
[20:31] <Mohan_chml> or you have any separate partitions?
[20:31] <LostHorizons> no, i have just one common partition
[20:32] <LostHorizons> with the Mac OS X on it
[20:32] <Mohan_chml> you ca partition w.o data loss
[20:33] <LostHorizons> can i do this with disk utility on my mac?
[20:35] <Mohan_chml> LostHorizons, I dont know about Mac biut I found http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20021119053614569
[20:36] <LostHorizons> OK thanks
[20:36] <LostHorizons> i'lll read up on things a little more before doing anything
[20:37] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:38] <LostHorizons> thank you
[20:38] <Mohan_chml> =]
[21:08] <prasoon> hai my video is up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61s1uvziuyc
[21:08] <prasoon> please ask of any doubts
[21:12] <prasoon> sorry it took toomuch tme than expected .....
[21:18] <bioterror> that video gets stuck at 3:06 at me
[21:20] <bioterror> works now
[21:20] <bioterror> maybe graphics driver
[21:21] <prasoon> i am not getting you ??
[21:21] <bioterror> does that happen with older kernels?
[21:21] <bioterror> I saw you had few of them
[21:22] <prasoon> i am sorry for the bad quality print as that is the only camera i have
[21:22] <bioterror> I got the message from the video
[21:22] <bioterror> does that happen if you choose older kernel
[21:22] <bioterror> as I we saw, you chose the newest from the ist
[21:22] <bioterror> list
[21:23] <bioterror>  -I
[21:23] <prasoon> i tried that also but in my user id of the 2 there is this problem in all
[21:23] <bioterror> simple yes or no to my question
[21:24] <bioterror> does that happen when you use older kernel from the GRUB list
[21:24] <prasoon> yes
[21:24] <bioterror> even the oldest?
[21:24] <prasoon> yes
[21:24] <bioterror> what's the model of your Acer laptop
[21:25] <prasoon> acer aspire 4920g
[21:27] <prasoon> if you noticed from the login screen i can choose between gnome , failsafe gnome , KDE and xterm
[21:27] <prasoon> so i think the same graphics library is loaded for all   ?????
[21:28] <prasoon> i can log into ubuntu or kbuntu from the login screen .... i dont have to restart to go to either ubuntu or kbuntu
[21:28] <prasoon> now i am in kbuntu ....
[21:29] <aveilleux> prasoon, "Kubuntu" is just Ubuntu with KDE. Underneath, they're no different. They just use a different display manager.
[21:29] <prasoon> ok thank you
[21:30] <prasoon> but i read that kde and gnome are different so i thought the os also will be.
[21:31] <Mohan_chml> nope
[21:31] <Mohan_chml> the OS is the same. I saw the video and I dont know why terminal failed for you
[21:32] <prasoon> i have a doubt ....if i put the live cd of ubuntu 10.04 can we recorrect the system ??? like in windows ... but i dont want any passwords and documents lost from it??
[21:32] <m4n1sh> aveilleux: display manager? I think it is difference of Desktop Environment.
[21:32] <aveilleux> m4n1sh, Both. Kubuntu uses KDM, Ubuntu (default) uses GDM.
[21:33] <m4n1sh> aveilleux: well, even GDM can use used for GNOME and KDE
[21:33] <m4n1sh> same with KDM
[21:34] <aveilleux> m4n1sh, Yes, they can. I was just explaining the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu. prasoon is not loading Kubuntu, but Ubuntu with KDE on top instead of GNOME.
[21:34] <prasoon> i use ubuntu for all my personal stuff and storing passwords important documents ...
[21:35] <prasoon> i am sorry aveilleux
[21:35] <prasoon> i think you have interpreted it wrong ....
[21:36] <aveilleux> prasoon, Using the login screen (which is GDM, the Gnome Display Manager) to load the KDE (K Desktop Environment) doesn't make it Kubuntu. I don't even bother differentiating anymore since it's all "Ubuntu" in the end anyway.
[21:36] <Mohan_chml> aveilleux, prasoon is triple booting with Ubuntu, Kubuntu and M$. I told him to try get into failsafe GNOME and restore panels to default when he came at the first
[21:37] <Mohan_chml> now he is in his Kubuntu and not in KDE+ ubuntu
[21:37] <prasoon> yes absolutely correct
[21:40] <Mohan_chml> aveilleux, saw that video?
[21:43] <bioterror> that laptop uses ATI Mobility Radeon X2500
[21:45] <prasoon> sorry there is a correction the video card is ato mobility radeon 2400xt
[21:45] <prasoon> sorry ati
[21:45] <bioterror> really
[21:45] <prasoon>  yes
[21:46] <prasoon> i havw have the ati label on the keypad
[21:46] <bioterror> which driver are you using
[21:46] <bioterror> hdreadeon or fglrx?
[21:47] <prasoon> it is written ati radeon graphics hd 2400 xt
[21:47] <prasoon> how do i find it??
[21:47] <bioterror> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
[21:47] <bioterror> :D
[21:47] <bioterror> or you can check it with gedit
[21:47] <bioterror> or anything
[21:48] <bioterror> cant remember what's notepad editor in kde
[21:49] <bioterror> usually ati cards makes one
[21:51] <prasoon> in the terminal it showed like this
[21:51] <prasoon> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
[21:52] <prasoon> root@chittu:/home/prasoon/Documents# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
[21:52] <prasoon> 	Driver	"fglrx"
[21:52] <prasoon> root@chittu:/home/prasoon/Documents# ^C
[21:52] <prasoon> root@chittu:/home/prasoon/Documents#
[21:52] <bioterror> okay
[21:52] <bioterror> root :o
[21:52] <bioterror> sudo bash guys ;)
[21:52] <prasoon> wat??
[21:52] <ibuclaw> sudo -i
[21:53] <bioterror> prasoon, I think you should try to remove fglrx and try out radeonhd drivers
[21:54] <bioterror> you can always flee back to propietary drivers
[21:54] <bioterror> if you need
[21:54] <bioterror>   * M74:Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT
[21:54] <bioterror> that's supported
[21:55] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonHD
[21:55] <aveilleux> Ack!
[21:56] <aveilleux> prasoon, You're logged in as root??
[21:56] <bioterror> after removing, just sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[21:56] <aveilleux> Oh, nevermind me. I didn't read before reacting
[21:59] <prasoon> ok i will do it now
[22:14] <prasoon> i have done it
[22:15] <bioterror> you removed fglrx drivers and installed readeonhd?
[22:15] <prasoon> yes
[22:15] <bioterror> then reboot and let's hope it gives a graphical envinronment
[22:15] <bioterror> ;)
[22:15] <prasoon> ok i will check and come back
[22:15] <bioterror> hey
[22:15] <bioterror> check first the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:15] <prasoon> with the result
[22:19] <prasoon> root@chittu:/home/prasoon/Documents# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
[22:19] <prasoon> cat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[22:19] <prasoon> this is what it came
[22:20] <bioterror> hoho
[22:20] <bioterror> well
[22:20] <prasoon> why??
[22:21] <bioterror> if you dont get X working, boot to recovery mode and fix your X from there
[22:21] <bioterror> but reboot and let's see
[22:21] <bioterror> I'm about to get bed
[22:21] <bioterror> it's 00:21 in here
[22:22] <prasoon> ok it i will meet you tomorrow its 0400 hrs here
[22:22] <bioterror> well
[22:22] <bioterror> reboot now :D
[22:22] <bioterror> I want to know :D
[22:22] <prasoon> ok
[22:22] <prasoon> few minutes
[22:30] <bioterror> that boot seems to take quite long...
[22:33] <prasoon> PLEASE DONOT MISTAKE ME
[22:33] <prasoon> I LOVE YOU
[22:33] <bioterror> ofcourse you do
[22:33] <bioterror> ;)
[22:33] <prasoon> THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[22:33] <bioterror> np
[22:34] <prasoon> IT IS WORKING
[22:34] <bioterror> sometimes propietary drivers are bad for you
[22:34] <bioterror> remember, you dont get the same fps from radeonhd, but at least it doesnt fail
[22:34] <prasoon> but for the last 6 months there were no problems atall\
[22:34] <bioterror> yeah well
[22:35] <prasoon> any way  thak you
[22:35] <bioterror> you can check your cards performance with glxgears
[22:35] <prasoon> thankyou
[22:35] <bioterror> you're welcome ;)
[22:35] <prasoon>  i am sorry how do  i do tat
[22:35] <bioterror> in terminal: glxgears
[22:36] <prasoon> ok and i f i can ask where are you from
[22:36] <bioterror> Finland
[22:36] <bioterror> sorry, I'm a married man ;)
[22:36] <prasoon> hahahahahah...............awesome place
[22:36] <Mohan_chml> bioterror, dont talk to Indians like that :P
[22:36] <bioterror> haha
[22:37] <Mohan_chml> night bioterror. heading to my sweet beds :P
[22:37] <bioterror> yeah
[22:37] <bioterror> I should too
[22:37] <Mohan_chml> its 4 AM :P
[22:37] <bioterror> my back still aches
[22:37] <prasoon> thank you very much i am to its 4 here and so good morning
[22:37] <bioterror> ahhh, you indians
[22:37] <Sketchbag> So I have an ubuntu desktop edition running as a server and I was wondering if I can connect to that from either my netbook or a win xp or vista computer ...with root access because I lack a video cable
[22:37] <bioterror> you have timezones with half n hour
[22:38] <bioterror> Sketchbag, is that a WAN server?
[22:38] <prasoon> and thank you very much Mohan_chml for your patience
[22:39] <Sketchbag> My netbook is a terriblke attempt at converting ubuntu to xubuntu
[22:39] <Sketchbag> I use a dlink router
[22:39] <bioterror> so you're behind NAT
[22:39] <Sketchbag> Yea its locked down
[22:40] <Sketchbag> but only for outside networking
[22:40] <bioterror> hmmmm
[22:40] <bioterror> /etc/ssh/sshd_config there's PermitRootLogin
[22:40] <Sketchbag> all my "inside" computers have no problems connecting to each other
[22:41] <bioterror> I would not suggest to use ssh root@server
[22:41] <bioterror> just normal account and sudo
[22:41] <Sketchbag> Yes but I want a vi9rtual desktop
[22:41] <Sketchbag> virtual*
[22:42] <Sketchbag> I have an underpowered netbook with ubuntu to use as a "dummy"
[22:42] <bioterror> you mean REMOTE DESKTOP?
[22:42] <Sketchbag> correct
[22:42] <bioterror> like VNC
[22:42] <Sketchbag> sorry if i was unclear
[22:43] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=347163
[22:43] <Sketchbag> I have a single 23" monitor however a linux box and a win box is connected to it I can only have one at a time ..
[22:44] <Sketchbag> Linbox is always on
[22:44] <bioterror> use ssh -X
[22:45] <Sketchbag> Doo  I need packages for that? If so what do I need on the server and what do I need on the host
[22:45] <bioterror> from your laptop
[22:45] <bioterror> ssh user@server -X
[22:46] <bioterror> hmmm
[22:47] <Sketchbag> in term would be easier to understand ...lool
[22:47] <Sketchbag> I bet you dont hear that alot
[22:49] <Sketchbag> so i want to do say my server was serv ....and user was serving   ssh Serving@serv -"ip"?
[22:50] <Sketchbag> in term'
[22:51] <bioterror> yeah
[22:51] <bioterror> I can start gedit from my X box now
[22:51] <bioterror> :D
[22:51] <Sketchbag> Interesting
[22:51] <bioterror> I dont get a full screen of the desktop
[22:52] <bioterror> but I can start X software thru the terminal when using $ ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:52] <Sketchbag> I only have 1024 686 or something anyways
[22:52] <Sketchbag> I just need it to suplly or download remotely
[22:53] <bioterror> and I can stream pr0n :D
[22:53] <bioterror> little slow it is :D
[22:53] <Sketchbag> lmao
[22:53] <Sketchbag> Pr0N is excellent
[22:54] <Sketchbag> I already have this serv connected to a xp , vista , buntu and 2 xbawks
[22:54] <Sketchbag> I just want to it remotely
[22:54] <bioterror> what do you want to do?
[22:54] <Sketchbag> I want to0 use my buntu netbook to control my desktop box buntu server
[22:54] <bioterror> control what
[22:55] <Sketchbag> lol my buntu  netbook controls desktop box buntu serv
[22:57] <bioterror> Sketchbag, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[22:57] <Sketchbag> lol........k     I have a ubuntu 10.0w/e and i want to use a 9.1w/e to connect to it as root and control it rem otely through a wireless internet connection
[22:58] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Clients
[22:58] <Sketchbag> I dont want it over the net though i want it local and secure
[22:58] <bioterror> WHAT?
[22:58] <Sketchbag> lol...Am I asking for something that doesnt exist?
[22:58] <bioterror> you say you want to control your "server" with remote desktop
[22:59] <bioterror> and I offer you a VNC
[22:59] <Sketchbag> My server is at my house
[22:59] <Sketchbag> On the same network
[22:59] <bioterror> well
[22:59] <bioterror> read what I pasted
[23:00] <Sketchbag> A VNC server is a program that shares a desktop with other computers over the Internet.
[23:00] <bioterror> I'm a really sorry that some dumbass wrote that documentation, it should "over the network"
[23:00] <bioterror> +say
[23:01] <bioterror> I used to connect to my OS X with VNC
[23:01] <bioterror> on my LAN
[23:01] <Sketchbag> .....k I dont wan to be "exposed" its just a strange quirk of mine
[23:01] <bioterror> if you're behind nat, you will not be exposed
[23:01] <bioterror> if you just keep certain ports not forwarded
[23:01] <Sketchbag> So if I just use local ip's I should be okay?
[23:02] <bioterror> yes
[23:02] <Sketchbag> okay
[23:02] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed
[23:02] <bioterror> good night
[23:02] <Sketchbag> Thanx much
[23:02] <Sketchbag> Goodnight
[23:05] <aveilleux> Sketchbag, Ubuntu always numbers x.04 or x.10. The numbers are significant of the date of release, not any specific version numbering.
[23:09] <ibuclaw> (with the exception of 6.06, which was 2 months late)


[02:19] <arpu> will gnome3-next get an stable 3.10.1 update ?
[15:20] <arpu> ricotz,  will gnome3-next get the stable gnome-shell 3.10.1 update ?
[15:22] <ricotz> arpu, it should, yes
[15:25] <arpu> perfect
[16:04] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, jfyi, do not copy webkitgtk to gnome3-next before requesting more space there to have it fit
[16:05] <ricotz> otherwise we are not able to update packages like in gnome3-staging now :\
[16:46] <ronj> Hi! Today's dist-upgrade returned (among other things) the warning below (details at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6411497/ ), should I worry? If I try to run the suggested command, even with sudo, I get a 'Permission Denied' error
[16:46] <ronj> (gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:7827): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory. This likely means that your installation is broken. Try running the command 'gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache' to make things work again for the time being.
[18:40] <ronj> also, it seems there are unmet dependencies between librsvg2-2/librsvg2-common and libpango/libpangocairo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6412051/


[00:16] <xnox> *sigh* I didn't make it on time.
[00:17] <xnox> pykde4 is in depwait on kde stack and until it's built and transitions, I can't drop python3.2 out of the archive =)
[00:17] <xnox> oh well. I can go to sleep ;-)
[00:27] <yofel> plasma-desktop runs surprisingly well on my nexus...
[00:28]  * yofel is off to bed
[00:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: My thought is "make it wonderful".
[00:31] <ScottK> Did 4.9.3 get uploaded?
[01:22] <apachelogger> yofel: most likely
[01:22] <apachelogger> unless the calligra desktop file has a lower initialpreference, in which case the kate patch needs to go even lower
[02:50] <ScottK> yofel: Why are the Ubuntu language packs for KDE building in the updates PPA (the Ubuntu ones, not the KDE ones)?
[03:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[05:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: they are now built by kde-l10n
[05:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Oh.
[08:12] <yofel> ScottK: 4.9.3 is in the archive except for 4 packages which were missing from the packageset and l10n
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <jussi> Hi all. Is anyone else having issues creating k/ubuntu USB's with the usb creator tool on quantal?
[12:26] <jussi> fails near the end with "Could not read from /tmp/tmpzEPYyh"
[12:32] <jussi> hehe, looks like i was the usb... (was a free one I got from SUSE :P)
[12:33] <Tm_T> jussi: I blame SUSE
[12:33] <jussi> :D
[13:06] <ScottK> yofel_: Excellent.  I just installed the quantal one from the PPA for testing.  In about 10 hours or so, I can upload the missing 4 if no one else does before.
[13:10] <ScottK> Seems to work OK on initial contact.
[13:11] <yofel_> ok, I added them to the supported seed and cjwatson said that I should ping him again later today so maybe I can do that myself later
[13:12] <ScottK> OK.
[13:12] <ScottK> Let me know if you need me to upload.
[13:12] <yofel> shadeslayer, Quintasan, SteveRiley: do you guys have any pointers to a guide that tells how to make a VM/crossbuild env to build nexus7 packages?
[13:12] <yofel> sure
[14:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:37] <jussi> so, Kubuntu runs quite nicely on my 1.86 ghz atom - the ssd helps of course :D
[14:40] <apachelogger> primariy bottleneck is always the hdd
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping :(
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does one not need to clean the transaction object?
[14:41] <apachelogger> also if the user for example denied authorization and the transaction errored... how do I discard the pending changes?
[14:42] <apachelogger> currently I am doing         const QApt::PackageList pkgList = m_backend->markedPackages();
[14:42] <apachelogger>         foreach (QApt::Package *package, pkgList)
[14:42] <apachelogger>             package->setKeep();
[14:42] <apachelogger> which seems a bit fugly
[14:46]  * apachelogger issues leak alert
[14:46] <apachelogger> jussi: what you doing with an atom btw?
[14:53] <jussi> apachelogger: got myself one of those tiny little sony vaio machines.
[14:54] <apachelogger> neato
[14:54] <apachelogger> I did not know they came with atom
[14:54] <jussi> ie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_P_series
[14:57] <jussi> apachelogger: sadly its got poulsbo in it - but all the same, seems to work ok with just 2d
[15:00] <apachelogger> why poulsbo never received proper support is totally beyond me
[15:05] <mparillo> I got a System Notification that Software updates are available, and Muon found a whole bunch of 4:4.9.3-0ubuntu1 updates
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/599138/
[15:22] <apachelogger> oh noes, a bug
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna, yofel: http://paste.kde.org/599180/
[15:52] <apachelogger> also in bzr
[16:00] <Quintasan> Urgh
[16:00] <Quintasan> I had to get ill right now
[16:01] <Quintasan> yofel: I'd just use pbuilder
[16:01] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1074371] In Kubuntu 12.10, systemsettings does not show "system languages" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074371 (by Ganton)
[16:01] <Quintasan> I think arch=armhf should work with pbuilder
[16:02] <Quintasan> Does 4.9.3 still needs testing?
[16:02]  * Quintasan is not  really for anything requiring thinking today
[16:05] <Quintasan> ScottK: Who do I pester do get burndown charts for Kubuntu?
[16:06] <yofel> I think 4.9.3 is fine as it is. Get well soon :)
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: looks good
[16:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: beer with honey and you'll be cured in a day
[16:15] <apachelogger> or hungover
[16:15] <apachelogger> latter making you not feel yourself amounts to the same end result though
[16:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: weeh, please be fixing your leak though :P
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> leak?
[16:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/599138/
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> that's libapt-pkg's leak, not libqapt's
[16:16] <apachelogger> pff
[16:17] <Quintasan> I blame apachelogger for that mem leak :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> I well remember you trollface :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> also seriously I was going like whaaaaa :O when noticing the leaking
[16:18] <apachelogger> was all freaking out and stuff
[16:19] <apachelogger> <- does not write leaky code :P
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> call m_backend->reload any time a transaction finishes, instead of manually trying to update what happened to the package cache
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> (there's no telling what actually happened to any given package in a commit if it failed during the commit)
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> it could have failed because the package archive was corrupt (and have the status of not installed) but it could also have been installed, but the postinst script failed
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> so to keep consistent you should really call reload() every time after a transaction
[16:25] <apachelogger> oh, my friend donald seems outraged, obama must have won :O
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, they called that about 12 hours ago ^^
[16:25]  * apachelogger gave up on following the rominee's path to the white house
[16:26] <apachelogger> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648
[16:27] <apachelogger> see that is why I like donald, he sounds like a right wing guevara
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: reload on what object?
[16:27] <apachelogger> ah
[16:27] <apachelogger> nvm
[16:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so m_backend->reload instead of setKeep()?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> yus
[16:28] <apachelogger> sounds nicer
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> keep in mind that it will invalidate any current Package pointers
[16:29] <apachelogger> yeah, don't have any at that point anymore
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[16:29] <apachelogger> that is, I do that once all transactions returned
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> btw, that problem resolver leak should only happen when a pending change would break the dependency cache... wonder what was up
[16:31] <apachelogger> it's madness :P
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> looks like a fairly straightforward to the leak tho. I'll send a patch to the apt pplz
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> s/straightforward/straightforward fix/
[16:33] <kubotu> JontheEchidna meant: "looks like a fairly straightforward fix to the leak tho. I'll send a patch to the apt pplz"
[16:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That damn leak was a FEATURE
[16:36] <Quintasan> And you KNOW it
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> this should do it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1340258/
[16:44]  * yofel makes his way home
[17:04] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1074371] In Kubuntu 12.10, systemsettings does not show "system languages" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074371 (by Ganton)
[17:39] <yofel> also interesting to track: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-arm-usb-creator-fastboot-support
[17:47] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, did you guys actually discuss alternatives for not getting ARM PPA builds?
[17:48] <Quintasan> yofel: No, we did not
[17:49] <Quintasan> I asked Laura and she said we can't get arm ppa unless we are canonical or linaro
[17:49] <yofel> setting up a shared repo with reprepro is easy, but I'm wondering how to get the builds done (other than on hardware)
[17:50] <yofel> let's see how long building kate takes on the tablet
[17:52]  * Quintasan nudges ScottK to sign his key
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: building small stuff is fine
[17:54] <shadeslayer> try building homerun
[17:54] <Quintasan> lol
[17:54] <shadeslayer> and then build kde4libs
[17:54] <yofel> well, that's why I'm looking for alternatives...
[17:55] <Quintasan> I wonder if it would be possible to get a small repo on ScottK's arm machines
[17:55] <Quintasan> or that would be too much?
[17:55] <Quintasan> If we could just have active builds somewhere
[17:56] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[17:57] <yofel> don't we have any instructions for a n7 compatible qemu VM somewhere?
[17:58] <Quintasan> We could alternatively have shadeslayer compile everything in head and cat the output directly to the cpu
[17:58] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:58] <shadeslayer> that sounds like fun
[17:58] <yofel> apachelogger said that he's a good compiler
[17:59] <Quintasan> god
[17:59] <Quintasan> I feel like crap
[17:59] <shadeslayer> but ... does he have a good linker ?
[17:59] <yofel> I worry about memory corruption though
[17:59] <Quintasan> going to bed
[17:59] <shadeslayer> because arm has limited mem for linking
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ( apparently there's an option that you can pass to ld that makes it use less memory :P )
[18:02] <yofel> well, I can time building active later. But then I worry about burning out the Flash storage too
[18:02] <yofel> it's not like I can build active in a tmpfs
[18:02]  * yofel wonders if building over NFS would work........
[18:21] <yofel> hm, building kate took about 3x as long as on my server. That's not too bad
[18:22] <SteveRiley> yofel: did you find out what you need to build nexus 7 packages? presume you're asking about getting kubuntu active to run.
[18:22] <SteveRiley> my nexus 7 is on the ups truck now, should arrive at home today
[18:22] <yofel> not really, we were just talking about how to get builds done
[18:22] <SteveRiley> i know that quintasan got a build script at UDS, but i don't understand that stuff enough yet to grok what we can do with it
[18:22] <yofel> building on hardware works ofc
[18:22] <yofel> but that doesn't really scale
[19:13] <yofel> meh, the ubuntu nexus 7 kernel has neither NFS nor CIFS support :(
[19:20] <yofel> yay, sshfs works
[19:36] <pedahzur> Yesterday on the kubuntu.org site there was an announcement of packages for KDE SC 4.9.3, then it went away. Was the release withdrawn for some reason?
[19:37] <yofel> the announcement is back, the packages weren't yet published
[19:38] <yofel> and it was mentioning the wrong repository
[19:38] <shadeslayer> any chances 4.9.3 is going to be backported to precise? :P
[19:40] <yofel> feel free to do it, maybe I'll do it in a bit
[19:40] <yofel> I didn't really intend not to do it ^^
[19:41] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:41]  * yofel goes rebuilding skanlite to get it's translations back
[19:41] <shadeslayer> I need to install quantal over the weekend
[19:42] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://susepaste.org/70325599
[19:43] <shadeslayer> well .. drat
[19:43] <shadeslayer> how ironic is that picture
[19:43] <shadeslayer> I think I'll leave it there
[19:44] <pedahzur> yofel: The initial announcement said there were packages for precise in the backports PPA.
[19:44] <shadeslayer> "This post will never expire"
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :>
[19:45] <yofel> pedahzur: that was wrong
[19:45] <yofel> there will be, but not yet
[19:45] <pedahzur> yofel: Bummer.
[19:45] <pedahzur> yofel: Oh, there *will* be. Cool. Thanks!
[19:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: here it's x86_64: 75G, x86: 60G
[19:45] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:46] <shadeslayer> I was thinking i386 would be more popular
[19:46] <shadeslayer> I was wrong
[19:51] <yofel> ok, so mfish just told me how to make armhf pbuilders
[19:52] <yofel> that's progress
[19:52] <shadeslayer> uhh
[19:52] <shadeslayer> how?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> and also, does it use KVM's?
[19:53] <yofel> see #ubuntu-arm
[19:54] <shadeslayer> thats .... awesome
[19:54] <shadeslayer> however
[19:54] <shadeslayer> E: Unable to locate package pbuilder-scripts
[19:54] <shadeslayer> !info pbuider-scripts
[19:54] <shadeslayer> *giggle*
[19:54] <yofel> o.O
[19:54] <yofel> !info pbuilder-scripts
[19:55] <yofel> not in precise
[19:55] <shadeslayer> righto
[20:33]  * yofel gives building kde4libs a try using that pbuilder
[20:51] <yofel> hm, it's SLOW, but it's running
[20:58]  * yofel goes working on 4.9.3 for precise
[20:58] <yofel> staging still has space left
[21:04] <yofel> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[21:04] <yofel> meh
[21:36] <yofel> ok, packageset fixed
[21:36]  * yofel uploads the rest
[21:39] <yofel> hm, qemu segfaulted again, I'll debug this another time
[21:47] <pedahzur> yofel: qemu segfaulted while you were building 4.9.3? Or is that for something else?
[21:47] <yofel> that was a testbuild for ARM packages
[21:48] <yofel> 4.9.3 is uploaded here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages?batch=200 and will build in due time.  :)  I'll wait until it appears in the PPA I already have configured.
[21:58] <yofel> the builders are currently a bit busy, so that might take a day or so
[21:59] <pedahzur> yofel: No worries. Great to know it's in progress.
[22:16] <yofel> ScottK: do you know if there is a list of all packages that were demoted to universe in quantal? We shipped skanlite without translations because nobody rebuilt it and now I'm wondering what else doesn't have translations
[22:29] <Daviey> yofel: I don't think it's accurately tracked. :/  The best i could suggest is either diffing Packages.gz between the releases or inspecting component-mismatches emails.
[22:30]  * yofel feared as much :/
[23:31]  * yofel is off to bed - good night


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