[02:19] <dzho> rick_h: a pacifica hybrid?!
[02:20] <dzho> that's a rare beast from what I can gather
[02:20] <rick_h> dzho: yea, wife had to wait a few months for it
[02:20] <rick_h> was delayed a bit
[02:20] <dzho> so, not to sound like I'm starting a survey, but how is that working out?
[02:20] <rick_h> was supposed to be in at the start of march, ended up end of april
[02:20]  * dzho has a TDI we're in the process of getting rid of
[02:20] <rick_h> dzho: really nice. she loves it. Big vehicle that drives like a small one.
[02:20] <dzho> I got a Honda Fit to tide me over.
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: and the plugin bit works well. charge it each night, 2 hrs by the book
[02:21] <dzho> but I'd once said that if they made a hybrid minivan I'd get one (more or less)
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: and getting 30ish miles a day on that end
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: yea, talk about the most practical of practical vehicles
[02:21] <dzho> our commutes are <20 miles round trip
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: and with us having the little one we're not likely to miss folding down the middle seats any time
[02:21] <dzho> heh
[02:21] <dzho> ours is a teenager soon
[02:21] <rick_h> dzho: yea, and it's peppy-enough and such
[02:21] <dzho> :( :)
[02:22] <rick_h> hah
[02:22] <dzho> I feel like we're a half-generation out of step
[02:22] <rick_h> basically think it's averaging out around 40mpg, filled the tank up for the second time (first one taking it home) after 3.5ish weeks
[02:22] <dzho> we needed full day kindergarten
[02:22] <rick_h> hah
[02:22] <rick_h> yea, we did that
[02:22] <dzho> the two best school districts in our area have just started talking about full day K
[02:23] <rick_h> ah, yea that would have been nuts to only have 1/2 days
[02:23] <rick_h> when he's got 1/2 days of school (this friday) it's batty
[02:23] <dzho> we had to switch daycare because buses would only deliver to daycare in district
[02:23] <dzho> and we were going to a more diverse place over the district line
[02:24] <dzho> otherwise it would have been a double commute, yeah.
[02:24] <dzho> wow 40mpg in a *minivan* that's nuts
[02:24] <dzho> the Fit is moderately thrifty but it has a dinky fuel tank too
[02:24] <rick_h> yea, the only "bummer" is that they crapped out the nice things on there
[02:25] <dzho> after the diesel I'm feeling like "hey what do you mean I'm already at half a tank"?
[02:25] <rick_h> so the top of the line hybrid doesn't get some of the things on the top of the line non-hybrid, can't even pay for them
[02:25] <dzho> huh
[02:25]  * dzho is more bare bones anyway
[02:25] <rick_h> like power side mirrors, sunroof
[02:25] <dzho> power mirrors are nice
[02:25] <dzho> sunroof meh, we've had them and not
[02:25] <rick_h> well, we park in the garage so I get cranky every time I have to get out to push in the passenger side mirror
[02:25] <dzho> d'oh
[02:25] <rick_h> per user memory seating is the other thing I wanted
[02:26] <dzho> man, I tell you, the things they make "options" on some cars drive me nuts.
[02:26] <rick_h> my truck has it and nice so that it's one button to switch drivers
[02:26] <rick_h> makes it a LOT easier to share a vehicle
[02:26] <dzho> I'd just rather get mechanical seats, not electric adjust.
[02:26] <rick_h> and part of the van is I drive my truck around less (well rules of getting the van)
[02:26] <dzho> we have electric adjust on our other vehicle but no memory.
[02:26] <dzho> it is so freaking slow.
[02:26] <rick_h> right, but with 8 way electric adjust if you are different you have to flip 500 things to get right
[02:27] <rick_h> so I just promise to only move it forward/backward and leave the rest and oh well
[02:27] <dzho> it's not a moon shot
[02:27] <rick_h> lol
[02:27] <rick_h> it's enough to get me into cranky old man mode
[02:27] <dzho> haha
[02:27] <rick_h> "take my money dammit!"
[02:27] <rick_h> but the after the delays got over with my wife's forgiven them and loves it
[02:27] <dzho> what annoys me is when they made the "you left your key in" or the "you left your lights on" warning beeps optional
[02:28] <dzho> I'm like, really? You want someone to pay extra for *that*?
[02:28] <rick_h> hah
[02:28] <dzho> real innovative, there.
[02:28] <dzho> well, I'm glad it's working out for you, I hope others follow suit.
[02:28] <dzho> short haul high torque things like that just seem like such a natural.
[02:29] <rick_h> yea, my wife laughs she gets to be hybrid snooty now, makes up for her diesel snooty earlier :)
[02:29] <rick_h> yea, just have to see if the tech keeps up over time at all
[02:29] <dzho> hypermiling the minivan
[02:29] <rick_h> how the batteries will hold up in the winter, but looks like it's something like $2-3 of electicity to fill up for 30 miles
[02:30] <rick_h> I will say, if you go that route dte has a special pricing plan for plugin vehicles
[02:30] <rick_h> but the charger has to be on it's own with its own meter
[02:30] <rick_h> which I didn't know before I had my stuff installed
[02:30]  * dzho is in NY
[02:30] <dzho> but thanks anyway :-)
[02:30] <rick_h> so now it's a question of how much more it'd cost me to redo the charger vs the electical savings
[02:31] <rick_h> hah, ok, well lessons stands about chatting with the electrical authorities up front
[02:31]  * rick_h got bit by the JFDI principle
[02:31] <dzho> library/townhall at the end of our street has a charging station, which is kind of cool
[02:32] <dzho> the other huge thing is that state legislature finally approved car "sharing" services for upstate (eg, for non NYC, where there was already a deal)
[02:32] <dzho> so I think our transport situation is going to start getting more interesting
[02:32] <rick_h> interesting
[02:32] <rick_h> I checked out the plugshare app which is cool
[02:32] <dzho> car free and single-vehicle households might end up to be more of a thing
[02:33] <rick_h> but honestly not that often we go somewhere to charge vs just each night at home
[02:33] <rick_h> yea, nice idea. would be cool
[02:33] <dzho> my long distance benchmark is the 90 mile one way to sisters-in-law
[02:34] <dzho> if real-world range on electrics gets to that I might be in, at least on the 2nd car (no car seats any more so our minivan days might be done)
[02:35] <rick_h> yea, honestly the mini-van was because my wife hates driving large vehicles
[02:35] <dzho> OTOH hybrid minivan plus electric car would make it very snooty
[02:35] <rick_h> but we do skiing, camping, soccer, fishing, etc
[02:35] <dzho> oh right
[02:35] <rick_h> so it drives like her taurus, but has enough room inside for all the stuff
[02:35] <rick_h> plus the dogs
[02:35] <rick_h> I asked her to look into them after she kept getting smaller and smaller SUVs
[02:36] <dzho> my brother and SIL have an aversion to minivans which I don't understand so they have some big SUV that really doesn't have that much room
[02:36] <rick_h> well, not getting but test driving
[02:36]  * dzho likes a minivan
[02:36] <rick_h> yea, it's a ton more comfy than an escape, or the like
[02:36] <rick_h> and the pacifica doesn't look like crap imo
[02:36] <dzho> yeah
[02:36] <dzho> but for some people it's just the idea
[02:36] <rick_h> but then again I get in my 2500 and start up the diesel so I have balance in life :)
[02:36] <dzho> and I'm like, you have 2 dogs and 2 kids, get over it already.
[02:36] <rick_h> lol
[02:37] <dzho> haha
[02:37] <dzho> no emissions cheating on that, yet, eh?
[02:37] <rick_h> no emissions requirement :) https://goo.gl/photos/RgxDwhtcBSvezYYV8
[02:40] <dzho> just don't show me anything that has you rolling coal, ok?
[02:40] <dzho> just sayin'
[02:40] <rick_h> hah no, I'm stock
[02:40] <rick_h> no desire to blow black smoke. I like to take that setup into the woods too much
[02:41] <rick_h> hauling of the toys https://goo.gl/photos/LZLNX6hr9Qf8QDZdA
[02:41] <rick_h> and hiding in the VA mountains https://goo.gl/photos/9jNFHGADLmNGx7ff8
[02:42] <rick_h> hah and south dakota https://goo.gl/photos/uuwkVE6SN9cu8Gk48 good trip that one
[02:43] <rick_h> anyone, time to move laundry check ya later dzho
[02:44] <dzho> see ya!
[11:35] <notlikethesoup> morning
[11:37] <rick_h> Ugh does it have to be?
[11:39] <notlikethesoup> if you sleep for another 5 hours, no
[11:40] <rick_h> I'm liking this plan of yours
[11:40] <rick_h> But meetings in an hour...boooo
[11:41] <cmaloney> morning


[07:05] <f_g> bjf: thanks. like I said, we've already completed our in-house testing based on those and have begun rollout to users yesterday - no negative feedback so far, let's see what today brings ;)
[09:09] <alkisg> If I want to buy a new intel cpu, can I buy something that won't have the meltdown/spectre performance impact?
[09:12] <apw> not that i know of
[09:15] <alkisg> Thank you apw
[09:32] <f_g> I think one of the backports for 4.4 left an erroenous kfree in arch/x86/events/intel/ds.c
[09:32] <f_g> f8365429a3dc1377e99d821be17cdeb76dd4b815
[09:33] <f_g> vs 20cbe9a3aa2e341824da57ce0ac6d52cbffaa570
[09:34] <f_g> the latter removes kfree(ds); from release_ds_buffer
[09:35] <f_g> the commits are otherwise identical (modulo location of modified file and commit message/hashes)
[09:36] <f_g> apw, bjf: ^^
[11:17] <apw> f_g, odd
[11:17] <f_g> probably just an oversight since the diff was manually applied / fixed up? not sure..
[11:19] <apw> f_g, most likely, but still an odd differnce
[11:21] <f_g> apw: users reported the following on some HP DL G7 boxes: https://imgur.com/a/vVbR0 , I'll see whether the kernel without the kfree gets rid of that
[11:25] <apw> f_g, which tree is 20cbe9a3aa2e341824da57ce0ac6d52cbffaa570 in ?
[11:26] <f_g> v4.4.110
[11:29] <f_g> (~33 to be exact)
[11:33] <apw> ahh ok
[11:46] <tseliot> apw: hey, any reason why the updates seem to require libelf-dev to be installed? bbswitch said that when DKMS failed. Nvidia didn't build either, but I missed the log
[11:46] <apw> tseliot, i do not, sounds odd anything would be different
[11:47] <tseliot> apw: let me try removing that package, to see if I can reproduce the problem with nvidia
[11:49] <tseliot> apw: yes, I can reproduce it: Makefile:969: *** "Cannot generate ORC metadata for CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC=y, please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel". Stop.
[11:49] <apw> is that for out of tree bits using the kernel ?
[11:51] <tseliot> apw: nvidia and bbswitch
[11:51] <f_g> ZFS as well
[11:51] <f_g> (when building out-of-tree)
[11:52] <tseliot> apw: that's with 4.13.0-24.28
[11:52] <f_g> (we reverted to FRAME_POINTER downstream)
[11:52] <apw> tseliot, sounds like we should add that as a dependency of the headers
[11:53] <tseliot> apw: I think so. I've tested this in artful
[11:54] <tseliot> let me send an email, I'm not sure you are subscribed. Leann is
[15:30] <ernstp> I noticed that the cves fixed in 4.13.0-22.25 are not fixed in 4.13.0-24.28 right now
[15:39] <bjf> ernstp, that is correct. the meltdown patches have been applied to the code that was in the previous -update
[15:40] <bjf> ernstp, the CVEs that were sitting in -proposed will be reapplied and released at a future date
[15:54] <dsd> apw: hi again, anything i can help with to help the KPTI work move forward?
[15:54] <dsd> (artful)
[16:40] <leitao> when I try to build trusty kernel on ppc64el I got /home/ubuntu/kernel/linux-private/arch/powerpc/kernel/exceptions-64s.S:721: Error: unrecognized opcode: `hwsync'
[16:40] <leitao> should I upgrade gcc in order to build the kernel?
[16:41] <leitao> I am using standard gcc-4.8
[16:43] <cjwatson> this isn't my field but wouldn't that be binutils rather than gcc?
[16:44] <cjwatson> added in 2.25.1 I *think(*
[16:47] <leitao> cjwatson, was binutils 2.25 made available on trusty?
[16:47] <cjwatson> I don't know if the relevant feature was backported
[16:47] <cjwatson> not my field, like I say
[16:49] <leitao> cjwatson, no worries. I am wondering how it is being compiled.
[16:49] <leitao> klebers, do you know?


[09:29] <runswithascript> hi
[09:30] <runswithascript> I used to be able to type a fada in Ubuntu with alt-gr + letter, but since installing 18.10 this instead results in this character: æ
[09:34] <runswithascript> I have looked through the languages and region settings, and I have the language set to English (United Kingdom), formats Ireland (English), input sources Clogaelach on top and then and English (UK)


[07:54] <sil2100> mvo: hey hey! Is the DDTP translation updates now fully finished? Or are we still waiting on something?
[07:58] <mvo> sil2100: I'm just generating a new upload, rosetta (is it still called that?) had finished merging/exporting the new pot with it's DB last night and I'm generating a new upload based on this. but the previous upload should already be good, it's just that the new one has some more translations (~300 more e.g. for Translations-de in main afaict)
[08:04] <sil2100> \o/
[08:05] <sil2100> Excellent, guess it would be nice to have the updated ones as well. We're still blocked on some kernel regressions re: the RC, so I think we can still get those new ones in
[08:56] <fredldotmeAtwork> Hello! I've been working on a patch to GRUB2 on 20.04 which enables a boot increment/decrement counter mechanism, ported over from CentOS. Is there interest in having such a patch sent to Ubuntu, if it meets your standards?
[09:01] <schopin> fredldotmeAtwork: why not send it upstream?
[09:01] <schopin> That way it'll land in Ubuntu for "free" :)
[09:03] <schopin> in case you haven't seen because of your timeout:
[09:03] <schopin> 11:01 <schopin> fredldotmeAtwork: why not send it upstream?
[09:03] <schopin> 11:01 <schopin> That way it'll land in Ubuntu for "free" :)
[09:05] <fredldotme> schopin that's a good point, yes eventually I would like to do that. But it's in use in one of our products and since the migration from CentOS to Ubuntu, we would like to keep that functionality for automatic failover. That "landing for free" might take longer than we're able to wait for.
[09:06] <schopin> Allright. If I were in your shoes, I'd post the patches upstream, but also in parallel in LP.
[09:07] <schopin> with a link to the upstream post, of course.
[09:08] <fredldotme> Yeah I can do that. I have questions though about the copyright, since I merely made the patch/module build, I didn't write it. Should I make the commit/patch message just contain a reference to the source patch, aka "This is based on <URL>"?
[09:08] <fredldotme> Everyone, including upstream, might have different ideas on how to do that
[09:10] <schopin> I don't have any answer besides "raise the issue there" ;). As you point out, everyone might have different ideas. Perhaps explicitly CC/tag the original author when posting upstream?
[09:11] <schopin> They were used in CentOS so I'm guessing it should be allright copyright-wise. Unless... is grub under a CLA or copyright assignment?
[09:15] <schopin> It is. OK, that might make things a bit harder to get upstream. I'd suggest first discussing with both the author and upstream on the whole legal situation.
[09:17] <schopin> But in parallel you can always open a LP issue explaining what you just said here, with all the relevant links. It'd be a better way to gauge interest, as the relevant people will be notified :)
[09:18] <fredldotme> Hmm, alright then. Will give it a shot for sure! :) thanks
[09:18] <schopin> To help things with both your company migration *and* getting the patch in Ubuntu, you could set up the patched grub in a PPA.
[09:21] <fredldotme> Yeah it's been growing in our own CI for some time, shouldn't hurt to make it a publicly available PPA.
[09:21] <fredldotme> Hope I get this right, I'm pretty easily confused about preference of applied/unapplied repos :)
[11:02] <fredldotmeAtwork> Sorry to anyone in the core dev receiving mails around my merge request. ^^" third attempt at making the LP proposal worked as intended.
[20:09] <bdmurray> bryyce: Can you close the MP here? https://code.launchpad.net/~thesquash/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/407632 I manually merged it to the upstream ubiquity branch.
[23:07] <bryyce> bdmurray, done


[04:37] <jam> morning all
[06:45] <vladk> jam: morning
[06:46] <jam> morning vladk. note that you probably don't have to work today, since you should get 2 swap days for travelling. (at least, I don't think you've taken both days yet)
[06:46] <vladk> jam: yes, I am still recovering today
[06:47] <jam> vladk: how was your flight back? (uneventful I hope)
[06:49] <vladk> jam: all was fine
[06:50] <jam> vladk: good to hear. Are you suffering from jetlag at all?
[06:51] <vladk> jam: unfortunately yes, I terribly want to sleep now
[06:52] <jam> vladk: ouch. I know for me the best way to switch is on the flight itself. For some reason I can generally force myself to rest at the appropriate sleeping time of the destination, and that really helps reset my clock.
[06:52] <jam> if that doesn't work, then make sure you get sunshine when you can, as I've heard that helps, too.
[06:54] <vladk> jam: sunshine is good, but it's rain now in Moscow and only +4
[10:46] <jam> morning natefinch are you coming to the standup?
[10:46] <jam> I was hoping fwereade would show up, but he isn't on IRC
[10:46] <jam> though he is responding to emails
[15:15] <lazyPower> Ey! I see a new line in juju status:     state-server-member-status: has-vote
[15:16] <lazyPower> what is this magic?!
[15:16] <lazyPower> did we get quorem?!
[15:20] <natefinch> lazyPower: that's HA (high availability)
[15:21] <lazyPower> ahh ok. i thought that was crazy fast to land a quorem feature.
[15:21] <natefinch> lazyPower: if you're on a non-local provider, you can do juju ensure-availability -n 3 and it'll bring up two more state servers
[15:21] <lazyPower> ahhh ok. was any mention of that posted to the list or changelog?
[15:21] <natefinch> lazyPower: you mean like leader election, or something else?  Not sure what quorem means wrt juju
[15:22] <lazyPower> natefinch: leader election. there's a few charms in teh store that would benefit from that.
[15:22] <natefinch> lazyPower: it's on the roadmap, but yeah, not implemented yet.  Most of juju devs are still recovering from the sprint ;)
[15:23] <lazyPower> natefinch: +1 from me for recovering
[15:23] <lazyPower> sorry for the excitement :P I saw that and was instantly energized to figure out what it's wrt
[15:24] <natefinch> lazyPower: as for announcing HA... I had thought there was an announcement, but possibly not.  That was one of the things we talked about during the sprint - better communication of what features we're working on and what we're releasing
[15:25] <dimitern> natefinch, hey, are you the only one around at this time today? seems everyone is taking holidays
[15:25] <lazyPower> right on.  Thanks for rocking it
[15:25] <lazyPower> dimitern: o/!
[15:25] <dimitern> hey lazyPower ;)
[15:26] <natefinch> dimitern: yeah, pretty much just me.  Everyone else gets two swap days.
[15:26] <dimitern> natefinch, i'll post a review for you to see then shortly
[15:26] <natefinch> dimitern: cool.  How come you're not taking a second swap day?
[15:27] <dimitern> natefinch, i think with some help from the server guys containers on ec2 can get addresses and talk to other instances and v.v.
[15:27] <dimitern> natefinch, i'm in austin still
[15:27] <dimitern> natefinch, but i'm taking next week of
[15:27] <dimitern> off
[15:27] <natefinch> dimitern: ahh, didn't realize you were still in the US.
[15:28] <dimitern> natefinch, yep, i've got my share of the us for this year i hope :)
[15:28] <natefinch> dimitern: a week in Vegas is enough of the US for anyone :)
[15:30] <dimitern> natefinch, and denver, and now austin :)
[16:18] <sinzui> bac, Orangesquad credentials and swift are happy again. I am still investigating bug 1312217. Make sure all envs have control-bucket and access-secret specified in environments.yaml to avoid breaking swift access
[16:18] <_mup_> Bug #1312217: open-stack provider breaks swift with standard config <openstack-provider> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312217>
[16:57] <bodie_> is there a way to get a unique ID for a mongo document through the transaction mechanism?
[16:57] <bodie_> for a new document*
[16:57] <bodie_> or do you just use the built in labix/mgo stuff
[16:57] <bodie_> I just don't want to step on any toes
[17:09] <bodie_> am I asking the wrong question?  is there somewhere obvious I'm not looking?
[17:10] <jcw4> bodie_: do you mean inserting a new document in a transaction and getting back a mongo generated id?
[17:16] <bodie_> right
[17:16] <jcw4> bodie_: the only way I see it maybe possible is using the txn.Runner ChangeLog
[17:17] <jcw4> bodie_: still looking
[17:17] <natefinch> bodie_: http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/create-an-auto-incrementing-field/
[17:17] <jcw4> http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/create-an-auto-incrementing-field/
[17:17] <natefinch> jcw4: too slow ;)
[17:17] <bodie_> right... but everything in the State document is dealt with through a special handler called txn
[17:18] <natefinch> bodie_: http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/reference/glossary/#term-objectid
[17:18] <jcw4> damnit no... I copied your link and accidentally pasted it in irc
[17:18] <natefinch> jcw4: heh
[17:18] <bodie_> ugh...   yes...  that's as in "do you just use the built in labix/mgo stuff"
[17:18] <jcw4> natefinch: :)
[17:18] <natefinch> bodie_: looks like the right way to do it is to let mongo set your id.  Which works unless you need to know the id before you commit
[17:19] <jcw4> so that would be using Upsert? or is it implicit?
[17:19] <bodie_> precisely, and since the ID is built into the document, I need to compose the transaction using that ID.
[17:19] <jcw4> natefinch: and if that is in a transaction then to retrieve that _id requires the changelog?
[17:19] <bodie_> or we need some other mechanism for generating a uuid for the Action documents
[17:20] <bodie_> I suppose one way would be to generate the document using a transaction, then look it up and upsert it with the ID that was generated for it.  but that seems so kludgy
[17:20] <jcw4> bodie_: you mean use the generated id in another document within the same transaction?
[17:21] <natefinch> bodie_: http://godoc.org/labix.org/v2/mgo/bson#NewObjectId
[17:21] <natefinch> bodie_: that's what you want to use
[17:22] <bodie_> I was hoping to use this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7405686/
[17:22]  * bodie_ checks what natefinch said... was looking up how I'm doing it now
[17:22] <bodie_> okay, so we can bypass the transaction mechanism to use newObjectID?
[17:23] <natefinch> bodie_: they're not really related. The object Id is just a unique id.  You can set whatever you want as the document's _id as long as it's unique
[17:23] <bodie_> right, that's what I'm getting at lol
[17:23] <bodie_> I didn't see any other technique for coming up with a unique identifier except I guess a hash function or something
[17:23] <natefinch> bodie_: yes, you can use NewObjectId for the id and still use the documents in a transaction
[17:24] <bodie_> alright, thanks for the assist :)
[17:26] <bac> good news sinzui
[18:10] <sinzui> natefinch, bug 1316709 could be marked low (we don't think we will support linux mint series) or wont fix (we don't want to support linux mint in clouds) or invalid (The user could set default-series in the yaml)
[18:10] <sinzui> natefinch, your thoughts?
[18:17] <natefinch> sinzui: likely the intent is just to use the client on mint, which seems reasonable. I think saying that they should set default-series is a good workaround.  I'd say won't fix with the default-series workaround is ok
[18:18] <sinzui> thank you natefinch
[18:52] <dimitern> natefinch, quick & easy review? https://codereview.appspot.com/91150044/
[18:54] <natefinch> dimitern: sure
[18:54] <dimitern> natefinch, ta!
[19:17] <bodie_> jcw4, I'm going to implement that test, so hopefully basics on Action will be good to go by EOD
[19:17] <jcw4> bodie_: cool
[19:24] <dimitern> natefinch, thanks for the review
[19:24] <natefinch> dimitern: welcome
[21:11] <thumper> o/ menn0
[21:12] <menn0> thumper: howdy :)
[22:04]  * thumper goes to make a coffee so he can trawl email with coffee in hand
[22:09] <dimitern> thumper, menn0 hey ;)
[22:17] <menn0> dimitern: hi!
[22:51] <thumper> down to under 300 unread work emails
[22:57] <perrito666> thumper: heh, I only am missing the review ones


[12:08] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: catfish 1.4.11 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-catfish-1-4-11-released-tp56811.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[16:55] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: tumbler 0.2.8 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-tumbler-0-2-8-released-tp56815.html (by Andre Miranda)


[00:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Rocking with Trusty Alpha 1! Congratulations for being the only alpha flavor thus far that can install itself properly!
[00:25] <valorie> what else have you tried, SonikkuAmerica?
[00:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Xubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME's alphas both crash trying to write in something for GStreamer.
[00:26] <SonikkuAmerica> (GTK+ problem, maybe? *grin*)
[00:26] <valorie> could be
[00:26] <valorie> no unity alpha?
[00:26] <valorie> oh, they are rolling these days, right?
[00:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Did they opt in?
[00:27] <valorie> not sure; I don't follow ubuntu-devel
[00:28] <SonikkuAmerica> They have dailies... haven't given them a shot yet
[00:32] <SonikkuAmerica> valorie: I doubt you'll have time, but if you grab the latest Xubuntu ISO, it's a comedy at present.
[00:32] <valorie> no time for that sort of comedy!
[00:32] <valorie> tonight is my night with my dad in his nursing home
[00:32] <SonikkuAmerica> I see
[00:33] <valorie> I do seed all the released *buntu isos
[00:33] <valorie> new ones, at least, and LTSs
[00:33] <SonikkuAmerica> This is my first time doing extensive beta testing across flavors.
[00:33] <SonikkuAmerica> (and alpha)
[00:34] <valorie> tried lubuntu yet?
[00:34] <valorie> or do they even have an alpha
[00:35] <valorie> I've only done one alpha
[00:35] <SonikkuAmerica> No, they don't, and they won't either.
[00:35] <valorie> that might have been 12.04
[00:35] <valorie> it was steady
[00:35] <valorie> usually not even beta
[00:35] <valorie> a couple of times i have
[00:35] <SonikkuAmerica> I did grab a daily, however. But I'm gonna wait until my other computer gets back from the repair shop and throw Lubuntu daily on that.
[00:36] <valorie> our crew here is good
[00:36] <valorie> they don't just throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks
[00:36] <valorie> they test before releasing
[00:38] <SonikkuAmerica> lol, I fire up Xubuntu's Live image. I have to log in (!). After I do that, this is what I see, verbatim: "Welcome to the first opening of the panel. पैनल सेटिंग्स संग्रहीत करने के लिए एक नई व्यवस्था शुरू की गई है, क्योंकि यह एक ताजा प्रारंभिक विन्यास लोड
[00:38] <SonikkuAmerica> करने के लिए है. जब आप पहली बार स्टार्टअप के लिए चाहते हैं जो सेटअप नीचे चुनें."
[00:39] <SonikkuAmerica> If you can't see that, that's Hindi.
[00:39] <valorie> I can
[00:39] <valorie> I love how Hindi looks
[00:41] <SonikkuAmerica> The button read: स्वीकार करना(O) (the OK button).
[00:41] <valorie> lovely
[00:41] <valorie> asking an indian friend what the above text says
[00:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Now I know what the Hindi says because I've used XFCE in the past, but it doesn't give me the option to choose what I want...
[00:41] <valorie> oh, ok
[00:42] <SonikkuAmerica> (The Hindi text is "Because the panel moved to a new system for storing the settings, it has to load a fresh initial configuration. Choose below which setup you want for the first startup.")
[00:42] <SonikkuAmerica> (which is what happens if there's no ~/.xfce4 dir)
[00:42] <valorie> not ready for prime time
[00:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope. Then it gave me the 4 icons the Live CD shows: "Home Folder" (in Hindi), Trash (in English), Install Xubuntu 14.04 LTS (in Hindi) and one other icon.
[00:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Thank goodness Ubiquity was (mostly) in English...
[00:44] <SonikkuAmerica> ... and that this is alpha/
[00:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Thankfully Ubuntu GNOME's Live desktop actually looked like GNOME.
[03:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1266333] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu18.1 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extracte... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266333 (by bradleyd)
[04:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1266333] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu18.1 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extracte... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266333 (by bradleyd)
[06:33] <soee> good morning
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <tester56> libQtScript does not seem to have a debug package ... should I file a bug against it?
[09:49] <mitya57> shadeslayer: Any update on qt4?
[09:52] <tester56> it seems dbg package for libqtscript is named libqt4-script-dbg  :-)
[10:06] <mitya57> tester56: the main package is libqt4-script, and there is no "libqtscript" package
[10:07] <tester56> mitya57: yeah my mistake ... I was judging from a backtace ^^
[11:47] <Riddell> yofel: you're on 4.11.5 today?
[11:47] <Riddell> I'd like to get on with packaging some of the KF5 tars just so we get a good name when it launches
[11:47] <Riddell> but also I've 600 e-mails to go through
[12:28] <Riddell> "Ryan Kavanagh (ryanakca) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2015-01-07" yay ryanakca still loves us!
[12:42] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: I do :)
[13:08] <ryanakca> I don't have enough time to contribute to both Kubuntu and Debian with school work, but I still love Kubuntu and contribute to Debian instead in the hopes of hitting two birds with one stone :) Some day I hope to come back and actively contribute again though...
[13:41] <jussi> ryanakca: we still love you for sharing your server with us :)
[13:48] <claydoh> Mamarok: valorie that Ralf person on the ml is one to watch, I think
[13:50]  * shadeslayer bounces to trello
[14:35] <Riddell> nice e-mail of the day http://pastebin.kde.org/p4nbgkuox
[14:56] <kfunk> Riddell: 'nuff said!
[14:57] <Riddell> hi kfunk, congrats on the e.v. membership
[14:57] <kfunk> heh. thank you!
[16:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you know overriden_command was something pkg-kde-tools specific?
[16:06] <yofel> yes
[16:06] <shadeslayer> okay, I didn't :D
[16:06] <yofel> *blink*
[16:07] <yofel> do we have a chanserv protected topic now o.O?
[16:07] <Riddell> override_dh_command is not
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, using $(overriden_command)
[16:08] <shadeslayer> because you used $(overriden_command) in libkolab and it has no effect
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ( even throws a error in the build log )
[16:08] <Riddell> aah
[16:08] <Riddell> clever pkg-kde-tools
[16:12] <shadeslayer> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-March/001573.html
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/libkolab_0.5.0-0ubuntu2.dsc
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[16:21] <shadeslayer> thx
[16:37] <Riddell> PaulW2U: yo!
[16:38] <Riddell> you're into test cases?
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libkolab compiles not looking happy
[16:39] <shadeslayer> huh? It compiled fine here
[16:39] <shadeslayer> *looks*
[16:39] <Riddell> powerpc and arm
[16:40] <shadeslayer> bah, probably new symbols
[16:40] <PaulW2U> Riddell: well sort of :o)
[16:42] <Riddell> PaulW2U: as apachelogger says that website is a bit faffy and because we have a lot of queues to go through it may well be nobody looks at it (I haven't much) but you're welcome and encouraged to try
[16:42] <Riddell> making some test cases then seeing if anyone runs them
[16:42] <Riddell> would need conjoling
[16:44] <PaulW2U> for now I'll hold off writing them. it seems that no-one else has for some months and they launchpad bugs were created without any reference to the kubuntu team or any other flavour come to that
[16:47] <jussi> valorie: or ahoneybun about?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/libkolab_0.5.0-0ubuntu3.dsc
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: actually hold off on that upload for a second
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh.. too late
[17:11] <shadeslayer> well, we'll find out soon enough, didn't notice arm64 was still building
[17:11] <shadeslayer> should be fine
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you also review the Qt 4.8.5 merge in bzr
[17:30] <shadeslayer> I'm reviewing it as well
[17:31] <jussi> kde bug 253547
[17:33] <jussi> has anyone got thoughts about how to fix that bug? or any more info needed that I could provide?
[17:33] <jussi> apachelogger: harald?
[17:34] <Riddell> mm, it should just pass the url if it's a kde application
[17:34] <Riddell> which depends on some value in the .desktop file
[17:35] <Riddell> else it downloads it
[17:37] <jussi> hrm, so perhaps this is just a multibug thing where our .desktops are broken? or?
[17:40] <jussi> Riddell: seems according to that bug it isnt fixed with the .desktop thing: "This is still present in ubuntu 13.04 KDE spin and Fedora 19 KDE spin (4.10.5). adding the protocols to vlc.desktop in home directory and under /usr/share/applications/ doesn't solve the problem."
[17:55] <Riddell> jussi: hmm, so needs looked into whatever part of kdelibs manages that
[18:21] <Riddell> hi SonikkuAmerica
[18:24] <tester56> are backtraces created by apport accepted upstream (e.g. on bugs.kde.org)?
[18:25] <tester56> i have experimented a bit and found out that apart from formatting they are pretty identical ...
[18:26] <tester56> sometimes when an application crashes apport starts instead of drkonqui
[18:26] <Riddell> yes they should be
[18:26] <Riddell> how do you get a backtrace out of apport?
[18:26] <tester56> i think you have to have apport-retrace installed
[18:27] <tester56> in kde apport usually does not show up graphical
[18:27] <tester56> but you can find information in /var/crash
[18:27] <tester56> open the file and search for trace ...
[18:28] <tester56> here on my main setup I do not find traces ... but on my experimantal setup i have apport-retrace installed and there backtraces are there
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Riddell: Hello!
[18:30] <Riddell> SonikkuAmerica: are you here to become an elite kubuntu contributor?
[18:31] <tester56> i think apport is actually a good reason to use ubuntu based systems ... because how do other distributions handle crashes of for example qt-only applications?
[18:31] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen)
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Actually, I've been approved by valorie to do a one-page landing for Kubuntu after the pattern of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/LubuntuLinks and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Here's what I have so far: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuLinks
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Just a basic layout and imported "other useful links" thus far... feel free to improve
[18:33] <SonikkuAmerica> (I also have Alpha 1 in a VM too)
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> So, Riddell, to answer your question, yes, I am come to contribute to your community in that wise :)
[18:36] <Riddell> awooga
[18:36] <Riddell> welcome along
[18:37] <tester56> because qt-only application do not include kcrash class ...
[19:20] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1242633] unity pointer barriers sru bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242633 (by Maarten Lankhorst)
[20:03] <valorie> claydoh, mamarok: I've already written Ralf a guiding email about his language; got no reply. If I didn't cc the owner address, i should have
[20:04] <valorie> jussi, here now
[20:04] <valorie> plumbers have gone
[20:07] <Mamarok> valorie: claydoh already did that, didn't you see that mail?
[20:15] <claydoh> woot:  from distrowatch" Kubuntu has regained quite a bit of popularity during the past year when it returned to the top 25 for the first time since 2010."
[20:16] <claydoh> not that page hit rankings are uber important/realistic but cool cool cool ;)
[20:31] <valorie> Mamarok: no, so I must have done it first
[20:32] <valorie> I'll look at my email again
[20:37] <Mamarok> valorie: that should always go to the owners list, don't do this without Cc, else we have no trace of it
[20:39] <valorie> I'll forward my copy now; sorry for not doing that earlier
[20:39] <valorie> I'm sole LO on so many lists; sometimes forget that stuff on the few I co-manage
[20:48] <valorie> boo, I must have deleted that entire thread
[20:48] <valorie> anyway, he's been warned twice; once publicly, once privately
[20:49] <valorie> time now to clean up after the plumbers etc.
[22:24]  * Darkwing does a slow wave
[22:24] <Riddell> happy new year Darkwing
[22:25] <Darkwing> Happy New Year to you all as well.
[22:26] <Darkwing> dang it's cold.
[22:38] <shadeslayer> go to Australia
[22:45] <valorie> Darkwing: happy new year
[22:45] <valorie> http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/01/did-global-warming-get-arctic-drunk
[22:46] <valorie> first explanation of the jet stream and your cold weather that I've found understandable


[08:28] <thorwil> kwwii, hi. seems we are now running into the wiki "surge protection" with the Backgrounds page
[08:29] <thorwil> kwwii, maybe you could talk with newz about that
[08:30] <SiDi> hi thorwil
[08:30] <thorwil> hi SiDi
[08:30] <SiDi> couldnt we try to use some markup such as tables as fedora seems to do ?
[08:30] <SiDi> tables with just a pic + the author's name in each cell
[08:30] <SiDi> would be easier to read than this huge file
[08:31] <thorwil> SiDi, do you know how table markup looks like?
[08:31] <thorwil> it's terrible for editing
[08:31] <SiDi> hm, true :p
[08:35] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds#Coala%20del%20karma
[08:35] <SiDi> I like these ones
[08:36] <thorwil> is that the elephant skin texture in there?
[08:37] <kwwii> thorwil: hi
[08:37] <kwwii> thorwil: not sure what you mean
[08:38] <SiDi> I think the guy took some textures here n there yeh. But apart from that big logo, i like the overall aspect of the pic
[08:38] <thorwil> kwwii, it's an issue that arises if you have many images on a page. at some point, the wiki decides to show only some, but not all images
[08:38] <thorwil> kwwii, if you then try to see an image attachment or hi Reload imediately, you get a warning about the surge protection
[08:39] <thorwil> kwwii, and that you will get a longer timeout if you try to load right again
[08:39] <kwwii> thorwil: thanks for mentioning it...I'll find newz later today and see what I can do about it
[08:39] <thorwil> kwwii, good :)
[08:39] <kwwii> oh wait, I think he went home already
[08:40] <kwwii> but anyway, I will take care of it ;)
[08:40] <kwwii> I love the meditating koala, btw...nice stuff! We should talk to the author some more and see what we can get out of it
[08:41] <kwwii> the netbook peeps liked it as well
[08:41] <thorwil> kwwii, in this case we is mainly you ;)
[08:42] <thorwil> kwwii, i'm happy to offer further guidance if and where needed, but the "we want to use that" must come from canonical
[08:43] <thorwil> it's one skilled guy and very open to suggestions
[08:51] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, I intend on getting in touch with him soon. if nothing else, for the alpha it would be perfect
[10:59] <thorwil> oh, how cruel: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/uds-where-did-all-the-coffee-go
[11:35] <knome> hah
[11:36] <knome> don't they serve coke?
[14:38] <zniavre_> http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8951/capturew.png > vous saviez ca vous?
[14:38] <zniavre_> oops pardon
[14:38] <zniavre_> sorry *
[14:58] <savvas> lies!
[14:59] <savvas> cute background :)
[15:00] <savvas> zniavre_: how did you make that icon reflection on the lower left corner?
[15:07] <zniavre_> it's a rhythmbox plugin called desktop-art
[15:07] <zniavre_> background is with gnome-background pack (synaptic)
[15:08] <SiDi> any inkscape pro around ? :]
[15:09] <SiDi> I'd like to know if i can colour the start/end arrows of a line ?
[15:10] <knome> SiDi, i don't think you can separately
[15:11] <SiDi> aaaw
[15:11] <SiDi> And is there a way to turn my arrow into paths that i can then colorize ?
[15:11] <knome> not as separate paths
[15:11] <knome> :P
[15:12] <SiDi> And is there a way to get a sexy pink line+arrow at end whatever the method ? :D
[15:12] <knome> sure!
[15:13] <knome> path -> stroke to path
[15:13] <knome> oh my
[15:13] <knome> actually, just ungroup the stroke and the arrow
[15:14] <knome> or ctrl+click the arrow
[15:14] <SiDi> Yay \o/
[15:14] <SiDi> Thanks knome :D
[15:14] <SiDi> i'll show you my blue pdf for my oral exam tomorrow, give me a min :P
[15:15] <knome> hehe ok
[15:34] <SiDi> Argh
[15:35] <SiDi> when i render my image to pdf i lose a letter in one of the words x_x
[15:36] <savvas> render it using which program? inkscape?
[15:37] <SiDi> Yeh
[15:46] <andreasn> SiDi, is it for print?
[15:46] <SiDi> no its for a screen :)
[15:47] <SiDi> re-rendering all my svg's to pdf atm
[17:06] <SiDi> knome : http://filebin.ca/xwybab
[17:06] <SiDi> sexy blue :P
[17:07] <knome> nice
[17:07] <knome> a bit purpleish
[17:08] <knome> "trackhttpd"
[17:08] <knome> "bar"
[17:08] <SiDi> it wont render well with a video projection but well :P
[17:08] <SiDi> yeh, its because the reztorrent slide had "foo" :p
[17:08] <SiDi> and of course, just to change a little, only my part of the work is done ^^
[17:10] <knome> have to go. see you later.
[17:12] <SiDi> see you
[19:19] <macvr> hi , anyone knows how to change the window background color of inkscape?
[19:24] <thorwil> macvr, do you mean the canvas color?
[19:25] <thorwil> if so, that's in File -> Document Properties, Page tab, General section
[19:29] <macvr> thorwil: i meant the display? i have set the canvas to transparent but the display is white , which makes it difficult to assess the colors
[19:31] <thorwil> macvr, with zero alpha, you see the always white background
[19:31] <thorwil> push the alpha up to get the color you specified
[19:32] <macvr> thorwil: so i can change the color first and then i can change it back to 0 alpha?
[19:32] <thorwil> sure
[19:33] <macvr> thorwil: but that wont have any change in the picture i'm creating, right?
[19:34] <thorwil> macvr, the alpha value does have an effect on exported raster images
[19:34] <thorwil> with zero, you get fully transparent background. a png will have an alpha channel in this case
[19:35] <thorwil> with 255 alpha, you get an export with solid color background
[19:35] <macvr> thorwil:damn,  so there is no way of having the checks similar to the ones used in gimp? during editing? the only problem is i have difficukty judging the colors correctly!
[19:35] <macvr> difficulty^
[19:37] <thorwil> macvr, i'm not aware of a way to get inkscape to draw a checkerboard. other than drawing it yourself
[19:38] <macvr> thorwil: oh... :( i think i just need to adjust! using gimp i got used to the checkers and the color selections... thanx anyway :)
[19:38] <thorwil> np
[19:39] <thorwil> i sometimes change the white to medium grey or black, depending on what i'm working on
[19:40] <macvr> thorwil: i think i'll do the same... but now... i'm trying to add the checker board to the layer below, lets see if that works


[00:26] <opij> How difficult would it be to make some kind of setup with a core 2 duo 1.7 GHz w/ 2 GB RAM computer connected to a tv somehow (wireless or otherwise) and preconfigure a list of free streams on the internet that I could then flip through with a remote control with the receiver either connected to my computer or connected to the TV?
[01:14] <qwebirc93688> Mythbuntu 10.04 32b loaded fine but after updates frontend won't run
[01:18] <qwebirc93688> !help
[01:18] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[03:33] <opij> could someone please help me
[12:06] <jolaren> Hey lads. I can't get my mythtv setup to work.. still
[12:06] <jolaren> Only difference is some changes in ip etc, cuz ive moved it to my familys country house
[15:54] <olx69> is there a wiki entry for mythtv ppa?
[15:54] <olx69> I'm using mythbuntu and I'm interesting in using weekly build.
[15:55] <olx69> are these only 0.23 and fixes? is it safe in daily usage?
[16:01] <olx69> I'm confused: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/30?dist=lucid list fixes and trunk; how to select fixes only? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.23 doesn't distuingish between
[16:01] <Zinn> [www.ubuntuupdates.org] UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Mythbuntu 0.23
[16:38] <Shadow__X> olx69: in mythtvbuntu ppa as far as i know it has .23-fixes and .24-trunk
[16:38] <Shadow__X> and using the installer it does differentiate
[16:39] <olx69> you mean aptitude /apt-get
[16:41] <Shadow__X> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[16:44] <olx69> do I have to use both build on server and client?
[16:45] <Shadow__X> yes
[16:45] <olx69> I would assume, that the protocoll doesn't has been changed between fixes
[16:45] <Shadow__X> between .23 to .23 fixes? that i am unsure of but still you need to run fixes on both if not bad things could happen
[16:45] <olx69> backedn ist mythbuntu, client is "vanilla" ubuntu
[16:46] <Shadow__X> yeah run the auto builds on both
[16:46] <Shadow__X> it will be a ok i have done that as well
[16:52] <olx69> mmh, that's more than only mythtv, firefox etc
[16:53] <olx69> ops, sry; didn't update on backend since a long tim
[17:25] <tgm4883> hmm, well thats an interesting sit
[17:25] <tgm4883> site
[17:44] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: what now?
[17:46] <tgm4883> rhpot1991,  http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/30?dist=lucid
[17:46] <Zinn> [www.ubuntuupdates.org] UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Mythbuntu 0.23
[17:46] <tgm4883> Not entirely sure why it exists though
[17:50] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: as long as it stays up to date its not a bad thing
[22:34] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: do you use storage groups?
[22:34] <tgm4883> yes
[22:35] <Shadow__X> meta data images work on my fe/be but for some reason they dont no appear on any other fe
[22:35] <Shadow__X> i am sure i am doing something wrong i just can not figure out what
[22:36] <tgm4883> do you have frontend locations set up for images?
[22:37] <Shadow__X> no i was under the impression storage groups handled that and i no longer had to have it mounted locally
[22:37] <tgm4883> right
[22:37] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:37] <tgm4883> frontend log errors?
[22:39] <Shadow__X> one of the frontends is a os x one where would i find the log
[22:40]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[22:40] <Shadow__X> lol ok hold on
[22:45] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: where does the frontend logs for a regualr ubuntu install go
[22:47] <tgm4883> /var/log/mythtv
[22:52] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: on my ubuntu fe does htis help current mythvideo shcema version 1032 mdediamonitorunix adddevice empty device path
[22:52] <Shadow__X> cannot load language en_us for mdoule mtyhvideo
[22:56] <Shadow__X> so whats weird is i can goto edit metaata and elect the correct file
[23:06] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: what would i be looking for


[20:58] <thomi> hi barry, got a second?
[20:58] <barry> thomi: sure
[20:59] <thomi> barry: I'm trying to bump the python-selenium package in ubuntu to a new upstream release (we have a newer version than is in debian, so it's ubuntu-only). I've done all the work, I think I'm good to go, I just need a friendly UD to check it and do the upload for me ;)
[21:01] <barry> thomi: can you point me to a branch?
[21:01] <thomi> barry: uhhh.. I can put it in a branch... I just have a .dsc file?
[21:01] <barry> thomi: a branch or debdiff would be ideal
[21:04] <thomi> barry: can I email you?
[21:04] <barry> thomi: sure
[21:24] <thomi> barry: email sent
[21:25] <barry> thomi: ack
[21:26] <thomi> barry: still not sure I know what I'm doing with this debian packaging stuff :-(
[21:27] <barry> thomi: at least you have a brave new snappy world now :)


[00:12] <davef> a cool 30C outside
[00:45] <zxmpi> reached 25c here. icky
[00:50] <daftykins> mmm hellish, worse tomorrow
[00:51] <daftykins> must get to bed, another joke of a cyber essentials plus audit is going on shortly
[00:51] <daftykins> g'night!
[00:51] <zxmpi> big fan on. a nice cool breeze blowing across my bed
[00:51] <zxmpi> o/
[00:52]  * davef chills out in his central AC
[04:08] <zxmpi> my rule of thumb is >20c choc ice weather >25c cornetto weather >30c magnum weather. the gun or the ice cream. users choice :-P
[14:06] <daftykins> lol
[14:08] <penguin42> ?
[14:08] <zxmpi> cornettos acquired
[14:09] <penguin42> oooh
[14:13] <daftykins> ice cream suicide would be a novel one for emergency services though i'm sure ;)
[14:13] <daftykins> i'm imagining a white line on a floor, with a little white line cone to the side
[14:13] <zxmpi> 99mm with cadbury flake :-P
[14:14] <daftykins> hehe
[23:05] <daftykins> holy hell look at this - ONE of LGR's storage rooms in his house: https://youtu.be/pZlIKjYHxxs?t=146
[23:07] <penguin42> nice
[23:09] <penguin42> got rid of most of his CRTs quite some time ago
[23:12] <daftykins> makes you wonder how much space they took up xD
[23:13] <daftykins> my final surviving one is still at my folks place somewhere
[23:14] <penguin42> I didn't have that many; but the Trinitron that came with one of my Sun's was just huge
[23:14] <daftykins> must have been good? :)
[23:15] <penguin42> http://www.treblig.org/daveG/me2002.jpg  you can see 3 of them
[23:15] <daftykins> :D
[23:15] <daftykins> did you ever have their famous optical mouse that required the patterned mousepad?
[23:16] <daftykins> they seem to speak of it on The Register comments a lot
[23:16] <daftykins> or am i thinking of youtube comments, hmm...
[23:16] <penguin42> oh yeh, I've still got one of those mice
[23:16] <daftykins> :D
[23:19]  * penguin42 hasn't had those machines on in decades - I really should get around to it
[23:19] <zxmpi> the fun of monitors so deep that they pushed your keyboard to the edge of the desk :-)
[23:20]  * penguin42 is still working on getting rod of his dads kit; here are his home built valve linears http://www.treblig.org/pics/dadskit/linears/
[23:20] <penguin42> zxmpi: Exactly
[23:21] <daftykins> ooh
[23:21] <penguin42> and still the 60ft tower (which is now down on it's side, but still taking up quite a bit of space) - I *almost* sold it, but the buyer made the mistake of asking his neighbour
[23:23] <daftykins> some kinda super HAM antenna? :)
[23:23] <penguin42> right
[23:23] <daftykins> impressive!
[23:23] <daftykins> must have picked up some far away things
[23:23] <penguin42> I've already sold the electric winches and aerial that went on the top, it's the strumech tower
[23:23] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh yeh, he worked the world on it
[23:24] <daftykins> :O
[23:24] <penguin42> http://www.treblig.org/pics/tower/mast-full-frompath.JPG
[23:24] <penguin42> (That's with it lowered down)
[23:24] <daftykins> did the Thunderbirds theme play when it was extended? ;)
[23:25] <penguin42> no, it was more of a slow whirring sound...
[23:25] <daftykins> xD
[23:32] <zxmpi> should keep linear 2 and add blinky lights :-)
[23:42] <penguin42> I'm not turning that thing on given the multi kv PSU