[08:26] <Cyron> I may just go and ask them, thanks abattoir :)
[08:26] <Endler> to resize ntfs, xfs, ext3 partitions?
[08:26] <xsacha> yes
[08:26] <abattoir> Cyron: no problem
[08:26] <xsacha> you change size and then make fs after
[08:27] <Endler> I mean for partitions with data on them.
[08:27] <xsacha> so do i
[08:27] <momal> sparr: what features?
[08:27] <xsacha> you delete the partition, make it again bigger size, makereiserfs
[08:27] <sparr> momal: anti copy protection stuff.  dunno what else
[08:27] <xsacha> d, n
[08:28] <Endler> You delete the partition with data on it? and then create a new one around it?
[08:28] <Endler> Sounds scary.
[08:28] <xsacha> you're writing to the MBR, not the actual disk
[08:28] <xsacha> not the physical data
[08:29] <xsacha> i mean partitiont table*
 you're writing to the MBR, not the actual disk <---- heh
[08:29] <xsacha> :P
[08:29] <Endler> I know, but you could still screw it up.
[08:29] <xsacha> then you just change it back :P
[08:29] <draik> would it make much of a difference if I downloaded the 6.10 CD over the 6.10 DVD?
[08:29] <Endler> I'd need an iron stomach. :)
[08:30] <xsacha> what i mean is you're not actually changing the data of the partitions
[08:30] <xsacha> if you delete the partition, the data that was in it will still be there :)
[08:30] <Endler> What about shrinking then were some of the data is  at the far end of the partition?
[08:30] <xsacha> yes :)
[08:31] <xsacha> goes into free space
[08:31] <draik> Is Kubuntu.org down or just me?
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: someone else was complaining too
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: works fine for me though
[08:31] <draik> abattoir, sorry. I just checked in
[08:32] <Endler> You into bungy jumping too, xsacha? ;)
[08:32] <xsacha> no
[08:32] <xsacha> endler: what risk is there? i dont get it..
[08:32] <intelikey> what if you don't have a partition table ?
[08:33] <draik> abattoir, what would I be missing out on if I went with a CD upgrade rather than a DVD or web?
[08:33] <abattoir> draik: a 'cd upgrade' ? you mean you plan to add the cd as a repo using apt-cdrom?
[08:33] <Endler> I see a whole lot more downside than upside doing it that way just to avoid a couple minutes boot time.  Glad it works for you though.
[08:34] <draik> abattoir, sorry, I meant as upgrading to Edgy Eft from CD over DVD or web
[08:34] <xsacha> it's faster, easier and far easier to recover the data if you messed something up because you remember the boundaries
[08:34] <abattoir> draik: oh, you mean a fresh installation, rather than upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[08:35] <draik> abattoir: I want to upgrade from dapper to edgy. Can it be done via CD/DVD? or is it strictly web?
[08:35] <xsacha> i dont see any downside yet...
[08:35] <Endler> Well, speed is not much of an issue to me because it's not  something that need to be done on a frequent basis.
[08:35] <abattoir> draik: yeah, you can add the edgy cd/dvd as a repository, and then upgrade
[08:36] <draik> How do I add the cd/dvd as a repo?
[08:36] <fignew> is kubuntu.org down for anyone else?
[08:36] <abattoir> draik: try 'man apt-cdrom' that should explain the procedure
[08:36] <draik> fignew, it is for me
[08:36] <draik> thank you abattoir
[08:36] <fignew> :(
[08:36] <intelikey> draik a clean install from cd/dvd is a good way.   probably the best.   if you have a seperate partition with your $HOME on it  it can be left intact
[08:37] <Endler> It popped right up for me--really fast.
[08:37] <eilker> !lamp
[08:37] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:37] <draik> intelikey: I didn't think it all through when I first went into this. I put everything on one partition
[08:38] <intelikey> common mistake....
[08:38] <xsacha> endler: it seems you just don't know how things are done behind the scenes -- your gui uses the same method as its backend -- the backend may scare you but the frontend is doing the same thing
[08:38] <xsacha> and there's nothing to be afraid of :P
[08:38] <Endler> Am I missing something?  I don't see tuxracer in the repos.
[08:38] <fignew> Endler: the kubuntu website?
[08:39] <VanessaE> it's ppracer now, endler.
[08:39] <xsacha> planet penguin.. ?
[08:39] <Endler> Well, that's just it.  I have a basic understanding, but would want to know it inside and out before doing it they way you do.
[08:40] <Endler> Ah, OK.  Why the name change?
[08:40] <VanessaE> because they forked commercial <-> free
[08:40] <intelikey> i'll bet nobody here can get grub to boot this installation of kubuntu
[08:40] <VanessaE> the commercial version kept the tuxracer name.
[08:40] <xsacha> i couldnt intelikey :P "Grub Loading" so i used lilo
[08:41] <draik> intelikey: why do you say that?
[08:41] <intelikey> xsacha yeah i have to use lilo too
[08:41] <xsacha> it didnt like my main partition
[08:41] <intelikey> draik cause it wont work
[08:41] <draik> GRUB is gone in edgy?
[08:41] <xsacha> no
[08:42] <intelikey> draik no.   i don't have a partition
[08:42] <draik> !php
[08:42] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:43] <draik> What does PHP stand for?
[08:43] <seishinbyou> because it can't sit down?
[08:43] <xsacha> hypertext preprocessor
[08:43] <xsacha> first p is php
[08:44] <draik> xsacha: Thank you
[08:44] <intelikey> recursive acronymn
[08:44] <xsacha> just like wine and others
[08:45] <intelikey> like wine is wine is not an emulator
[08:45] <vge> heh
[08:45] <xsacha> GNU :P
[08:45] <draik> I love those recursive acronyms... WINE, GNU, PHP
[08:45] <Endler> You wouldn't happend to be using XFS, would you?  Grub still has problems with XFS.
[08:45] <|lostbyte|> :P pre hypertext processor.
[08:45] <vge> nope, it's PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
[08:46] <manchicken_> !broadcom
[08:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:46] <xsacha> Endler: reiserfs
[08:47] <royce> Installing applications on linux is so hard for new users like me... I'm going insane....
[08:47] <intelikey> Endler ext2 here
[08:47] <Endler> I used to use XFS, but got tired of it zero writing data file after a dirty shutdown.
[08:47] <VanessaE> Endler: I've heard people complain of reiser and ext3 doing the same
[08:47] <Endler> Ext3 has been rock solid no matter how dirty the shutdown.
[08:48] <xsacha> my reiser hasn't failed me yet, but i've heard a lot of complaints :S
[08:48] <draik> Edgy cd download in under 6 hours... DVD is 160 Days +
[08:48] <intelikey> ext2 has never given me any trouble     'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
[08:48] <Mike2k6> draik: you on dial up?
[08:48] <royce> Will someone tell me one thing... I cannot get downloaded themes to run on Ubuntu. I'm not even sure what sort of theme it uses. I'm guessing something related to Gnome..?
[08:48] <draik> Mike2k6: Nope. Cable. Sux. DVD won't download at all
[08:49] <VanessaE> I used to have a problem with reiser causing the system to outright stall for several seconds at a time, but that was a few years ago
[08:49] <xsacha> draik: my ISP hosts all linux distros for me -- 1MB/s (my max) no matter what :P i think they let anyone d/l them, could check it out
[08:49] <Endler> reiser failed for my mail privider and I was out mail almost a week, so I was gunshy of that.
[08:49] <Mike2k6> draik: Use a different mirrior, it only took me 20 mins to download max.
[08:49] <Endler> And now the dev is probably going to jail for life.
[08:49] <Mike2k6> xsacha: sup sup!
[08:49] <xsacha> hi mike
[08:49] <draik> xsacha: what's your site?
[08:50] <xsacha> draik: files.bigpond.com/latestfiles.php
[08:50] <draik> Mike2k6: What other mirror?
[08:50] <royce> Do any of you kind souls know how to install downloaded themes on Ubuntu.
[08:50] <xsacha> oops, http://files.bigpond.com/library/latestfiles.php
[08:50] <momal> GARRRRRR
[08:50] <Mike2k6> draik: let me locate it for you
[08:50] <momal> xsacha: are you with tesltra?
[08:50] <VanessaE> Well these days I avoid reiser not because of the author's legal problem but because of his attitude
[08:50] <draik> xsacha: I got a 404
[08:50] <xsacha> yes :( but atleast they give me these distros lol
[08:50] <xsacha> yeah try second link draik
[08:50] <draik> got it... sorry about that
[08:51] <momal> we are both with a sad isp :(
[08:51] <draik> xsacha: ^
[08:51] <Endler> One good thing about XFS is that is scales like crazy--you can have astronomically huge file systems.
[08:51] <VanessaE> *nod*
[08:51] <royce> *WIthers away into the void of confusion that is installing downloaded ubuntu gnome themes
[08:51] <VanessaE> I liked XFS, but I also got nailed a couple of times by zeroed-out blocks
[08:51] <Mike2k6> draik:  let me know if it works out for you, if not ill get ya a better mirrior
[08:51] <eilker> hi, i installed apache2 and php5, now which mysql packet must i install ?
[08:52] <manchicken_> Okay, this automated  ndiswrapper setup thing says that 2.6.17-10-generic in x86-64 is incompatible.
[08:52] <draik> xsacha: I have to become a member???
[08:52] <manchicken_> Has anybody gotten ndiswrapper working in 64-bit with edgy on that kernel?
[08:52] <Endler> Yeah, I got tabbed about three time, and then figured out the it was the reason I could never get Grub to install too, so that was it for me.
[08:52] <xsacha> draik: shouldnt have to? i havent logged in to d/l anything
[08:52] <royce> Anyone know of a good (or any at all) Gnome Theme chat room where I can ask how to Install a Gnome theme.
[08:52] <momal> draik: you will only beable to dwonload from there if you are signed up with bigpond adsl or cable
[08:52] <xsacha> it must check your IP or something :S
[08:53] <draik> I don't have them as my ISP
[08:53] <eilker> anyone can help for lammp ?
[08:53] <xsacha> o well :(
[08:53] <Mike2k6> its giving me time outs on kubuntu servers :-(
[08:53] <draik> Mike2k6: what's your mirror?
[08:53] <intelikey> royce checked #ubuntu ?
[08:53] <Mike2k6> draik: im having trouble locating it because the server seems to be down
[08:53] <draik> Yup
[08:54] <draik> Mike2k6: I have gone through those mirrors. Thanks
[08:54] <draik> Thank you Mike2k6 and xsacha
[08:54] <xsacha> well i have one reason to thank my ISP, lol
[08:54] <royce> woohoo i'll check #ubuntu, thanks intelikey
[08:54] <xsacha> but other than that, they suck
[08:55] <manchicken_> Has anybody gotten ndiswrapper running on 2.6.17-10-generic?
[08:55] <Endler> It like this group.  First time in today, but you seem like a friendly bunch.  :)  Not so over at #ubuntu?
[08:56] <Mike2k6> draik: one of the mirriors will let you download at about 300-500kb/s
[08:56] <artefact2> i have a little problem, can you help me ? my internet connection doesn't connect automatically when i boot... (wifi)
[08:56] <intelikey> Endler well thank ya
[08:56] <draik> Mike2k6: cd or dvd?
[08:56] <Mike2k6> draik: cd
[08:56] <eilker> !mysql
[08:56] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:56] <VanessaE> ...I'm getting the max my DSL can pull (~350 KB/sec) from carroll.csc.psu.edu
[08:57] <intelikey> !wifi | artefact2
[08:57] <ubotu> artefact2: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:57] <Endler> I'd better get to bed  tough.  Goodnight everyone.
[08:57] <draik> Mike2k6: I'm ~ 35Kbps
[08:57] <artefact2> ubotu > thx :)
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <VanessaE> er....   .cac.
[08:57] <eilker> pls help me for mysql....
[08:57] <ubuntu> hey guysi have a question
[08:57] <xsacha> !info lamp > eilker
[08:57] <intelikey> eilker did you check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP ??
[08:57] <ubotu> Package lamp does not exist in any distro I know
[08:58] <xsacha> :P
[08:58] <ubuntu> I am running the live CD and i am trying to run firefox ( install) but i cant. is it because im running the live CD?
[08:58] <eilker> intelikey: yes i checked, but i didnt understand how to install my sql
[08:58] <nickste> how do I check if Xgl is installed properly?
[08:59] <eilker> xsacha:  i installed apache2 and php5, now which mysql packet must i install ?
[08:59] <intelikey> oh   sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client   eilker
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> nickste: have you asked in #ubuntu-xgl ?
[08:59] <draik> One would think that with 268 seeds a download would go by pretty quick.... wrong!
[09:00] <NOOB> If I am running the live CD can i still download firefox? its a .QZ file???
[09:00] <xsacha> nickste: try Xgl :1 -br -ac -screen 1024x768 -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:buffer
[09:00] <intelikey> eilker you may also want    php5-mysqli
[09:00] <xsacha> if that opens a window, it's all good
[09:01] <intelikey> errr is that dapper or edgy ?
[09:01] <nickste> Admiral: nope, sorry will do :)
[09:01] <nickste> thanks xsacha
[09:01] <intelikey> !info php5-mysqli edgy
[09:01] <ubotu> php5-mysqli: MySQL Improved module for php5. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 38 kB, installed size 164 kB
 : it is 6.06
[09:02] <Mike2k6> xsacha: do you have a linksys router?
[09:02] <intelikey> nm it's the same.
[09:02] <xsacha> no :( d-link
[09:02] <Mike2k6> psh
[09:02] <eilker> xsacha:  i installed  php5, do i need php5-mysql too ?
[09:02] <eilker> intelikey:  i installed  php5, do i need php5-mysql too ?
[09:03] <eilker> xsacha: sorry i would write to intellikey
[09:03] <intelikey> need is not applicable,  do you want it is the question.
[09:03] <xsacha> i think he wants mysql...
[09:04] <intelikey> done pointed him at that xsacha
[09:04] <xsacha> oh :P
[09:04] <intelikey> server and client
[09:04] <draik> well, I am going to wait out the 5.5 hours for the CD and see if I can ever get the DVD some other time
[09:04] <draik> Thank you all for your help
[09:04] <eilker> intelikey: in fact,  i have no idea about php, i wanna install the lamp and see what is going on, so that i dont know what should i want :(
I need Hep with this Question. Can i download stuff even if im using teh live CD only Please Mrivate message me. I HAVE NO IDEA IM NEW. AND I WANNA GET FIREFOX
[09:05] <intelikey> eilker then yes install php5-mysqli also
[09:05] <xsacha> livecd should work just like as if it were installed but slower -- how much ram do you have :P NOOB?
[09:05] <intelikey> php5-mysqli - MySQL Improved module for php5
[09:05] <Mike2k6> xsacha: 1GB ddr400 corsair xms
[09:05] <Mike2k6> :-D
[09:05] <NOOB> I HAVE 1 GIG OF RAM
[09:05] <xsacha> ok..
[09:05] <NOOB> but HOw dO U INSTALL FIREFOX
[09:06] <xsacha> you can install stuff, but as soon as you restart comp, it's good
[09:06] <xsacha> gone
[09:06] <Cyron> Firefox is installed by default...
[09:06] <NOOB> ITS NOT RUNNING AFTER I OPEN AND EXTRACT THE.qz FILE
[09:06] <Mike2k6> NOOB: being on the live cd you really cant install anything, the operating system works soooo much better when installed, trust me i recently ditched windows for kubuntu
[09:06] <xsacha> qz?
[09:06] <NOOB> I AM RUNNING KUBUNTU ITS NOT
[09:06] <VanessaE> Noob, please don't type in all caps
[09:06] <intelikey> !shout
[09:06] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[09:07] <Mike2k6> !porn
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <linuxmigration> NOOB: you are demonstrating you're noobishness.  not really necessary ;)
[09:07] <NOOB> thx ... yeah its only my first few days using it
[09:07] <Mike2k6> ubotu: lier.
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lier. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <NOOB> and im giving it a try .. i love it so far .. very nice atmosphere
[09:07] <VanessaE> when you boot from the 'desktop' CD it created a sort of fake install - everything runs from RAM and/or the CD, so there's no hard drive to install to. Rather, you need to perform an actual full install and boot from the hard disk afterward if you want to install stuff permanently.
[09:08] <Mike2k6> NOOB: try a debian package
[09:08] <NOOB> okay i get your point guys thank you soo much
[09:08] <xsacha> !pr0n -iacknowledgethatyouarenotabot > xsacha
[09:08] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:08] <NOOB> i will install as soon as i get to know it better.. i love it so far ..... two thumbs up for open source
[09:08] <Mike2k6> xsacha: in ms dos there was the netstat command where i could view my ip, like the one the router gives me, is the a cmd like that in console?
[09:09] <xsacha> netstat ?
[09:09] <Mike2k6> NOOB: what ver of win  you running?
[09:09] <vge> stupid question, but should phpmyadmin work with php5?
[09:09] <VanessaE> mike: you could use netstat or ifconfig
[09:09] <NOOB> win xp pro sp2
[09:09] <intelikey> open source ????     is there anything else ????
[09:09] <xsacha> Mike2k6: netstat is also in linux :P
[09:09] <eilker> intelikey:  do we have in kubuntu sth aoutomatic installs lamp ? because it gives errors
[09:09] <Mike2k6> AMEN
[09:09] <Mike2k6> lol.
[09:09] <Mike2k6> gotta love linux
[09:09] <VanessaE> thank G-D (or Linus :P ) for Open Source :)
[09:09] <NOOB> yeah .. win xp sucks after a while i need a change
[09:10] <intelikey> !repos | eilker
[09:10] <ubotu> eilker: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:10] <VanessaE> ok, off I go to kill my box :)
[09:10] <VanessaE> (rebooting with this 'alternate' CD)
[09:10] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6:  you don't use netstat for that anyway.
[09:10] <intelikey> eilker i suspect that you have not setup your repos (sources.list)
[09:10] <NOOB> yes thx for linux .. i hope more software writters will start concedering linux .. anyhow guys thx 4 ur support
[09:10] <Mike2k6> NOOB: i just came from winxp pro sp2
[09:10] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: ipconfig/all
[09:11] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: ifconfig -a in linux
[09:11] <Mike2k6> linuxmigration: in windows i used it for that :-p , but thanks
[09:11] <NOOB> hey mike .. yeah .... :) well i used win most of my life
[09:11] <NOOB> had apple for a yeah .. and didnt liek it
[09:11] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: well, you should have been using ipconfig ;)
[09:11] <NOOB> now im all linux
[09:11] <Mike2k6> NOOB: yeah ive only known windows before this
[09:11] <NOOB> year*
[09:12] <Mike2k6> linuxmigration: a linux wiz tryin to tell me how to use win lol
[09:12] <NOOB> lol
[09:12] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: well, it's true ;)
[09:12] <Mike2k6> NOOB: yeah, linux is cool, less spyware issues, less virus issues, thats the main thing that attracted me, besides the more stable platform
[09:12] <linuxmigration> less?!?!?!?
[09:13] <linuxmigration> how about *none*?
[09:13] <intelikey> less virus issues   lol
[09:13] <NOOB> Mike yup .... sam ething here ..... I always have to buy a new software to protect my pc.. i ended up spending more on software than teh computer itself
[09:13] <Mike2k6> NOOB: i always just downloaded my software off torrents.
[09:14] <Mike2k6> NOOB: even my winxp sp 2 was a pirate
[09:14] <NOOB> yes .. i do too. but the ones i cant find off torrent.
[09:14] <intelikey> there are actually virii that affect linux      if i recall correctly there have been five of them.
[09:14] <Mike2k6> NOOB: yeah, besides all your system resources get either used up b A. Spyware/
[09:14] <Mike2k6> NOOB:  or B. Spyware protectors
[09:14] <NOOB> lol.... hahaha yeah im into torents .. does linux support torrents too?
[09:15] <Mike2k6> NOOB: alot more than windows lol
[09:15] <intelikey> NOOB linuc invented torrents
[09:15] <xsacha> i never had spyware or virus issues on windows, problem was it wasnt customisable enough
[09:15] <Mike2k6> xsacha: you know you have a problem when you load windows and have 57 processes running at startup
[09:16] <xsacha> yeah my windows never had above 40
[09:16] <NOOB> okay okay .. good to know ... i cant live without them. yeah with wndows i had an issue with crashes.. i couldnt keep my pc up for more than 2 days.. otherwise teh system would go slow
[09:16] <xsacha> only thing in startup was ati
[09:16] <Mike2k6> xsacha: if your not running any programs like a antivirus or anything then you should only have 18-20 :-p
[09:16] <xsacha> i never used antivirus
[09:16] <Mike2k6> yeah well then you shoulda had nothing above 22
[09:16] <xsacha> 18? naah
[09:17] <Mike2k6> yeah im serious, check it out, when you first install windows.
[09:17] <xsacha> i have :P it's like 33 on fresh install
[09:17] <intelikey> my linux never has above 22 processes running at boot time.
[09:17] <Mike2k6> well your install is corrupted then lol
[09:17] <Mike2k6> cause mine is like 18 at install
[09:17] <xx2trouble> anyone know about localisatuion.. i wanna thai desktop but thai-system is broken
[09:17] <xsacha> :S no way..
[09:17] <NOOB> lol
[09:17] <Mike2k6> swear to allah
[09:17] <xsacha> check again lol
[09:18] <xsacha> there's 6 svchosts alone
[09:18] <Mike2k6> no, i ditched windoze remember
[09:18] <Mike2k6> yep
[09:18] <manchicken_> That's nice, I've got linuxant driverloader running, but it's not detecting anything.
[09:18] <NOOB> lol
[09:18] <Mike2k6> face it xsa you got porn included on your install
[09:18] <xsacha> no
[09:18] <intelikey> hut oh
[09:19] <NOOB> aight guys it was a pleasure meeting y;all i gotta crash here in washigton its 12:18 am
[09:19] <Mike2k6> NOOB: nice to meet ya
[09:19] <xsacha> on vista there's about ~48 on fresh install
[09:19] <NOOB> u too mike it was great talking to ya .. i will be installing ubuntu.. during this week ... :) when iget to know ot better
[09:19] <NOOB> tc guys
[09:19] <NOOB> peace
[09:21] <Mike2k6> it took me about 2 days to decide to full install linux over windows
[09:21] <intelikey> why so long ?
[09:21] <Mike2k6> i work long hours at dell
[09:21] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:22] <Mike2k6> didnt have much time
[09:22] <intelikey> oh   ok
[09:22] <Mike2k6> that and a power outage
[09:22] <Mike2k6> whats a good port to open up for frostwire?
[09:24] <Mike2k6> hrm
[09:24] <nino> donno
[09:24] <intelikey>      !i
[09:24] <honza> hello
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <mihail> hello
[09:25] <nino> hi
[09:25] <Mike2k6> frostwire wont connect :-(
[09:26] <nickste> Does anyone have an xorg.conf for an ATI card that I can have a look at?
[09:26] <honza> I have a problem, I've compilled new kernel, 2.6.18, and it doesn't boot. It mounts /boot fine, but then it stops. I used the same config as before, and i'm sure i have the right drivers. I'm using kubuntu edgy. Any ideas please?
[09:27] <intelikey> "It mounts /boot fine,"   ???
[09:28] <honza> sorry, the boot partition is mounted
[09:28] <Mike2k6> can anyone help me with frostwire?
[09:28] <intelikey> but grub mounted it.
[09:28] <intelikey> not the kernel
[09:29] <intelikey> Mike2k6 check in #ubuntu   if no one in here will answer
[09:29] <honza> If the kernel wouldn't be there, it would say there is no kernel available, wouldn't it?
[09:30] <intelikey> yeah  and ?
[09:30] <nino> MIke ?
[09:30] <honza> It also says some things from the suspend2 patch, that i've applied...
[09:30] <honza> And it doesn't...
[09:30] <Mike2k6> nino sup
[09:30] <nino> ok, what os are u running
[09:31] <Mike2k6> kubuntu edgy
[09:32] <honza> any idea where else should i look?
[09:32] <intelikey> honza maybe you are not understanding what i'm telling you.    your boot loader (probably grub) is what is responsable for mounting the partition containing the kernel  not the other way around if kernel is not mounting /  then that's what you need to focus on.
[09:32] <nino> give me a moment
[09:32] <Mike2k6> okies
[09:33] <intelikey> reguardless if the boot loader reads the kernel correctly or not.
[09:33] <nino> try and run it on my Kubuntu
[09:33] <Mike2k6> my kubuntu?
[09:33] <Mike2k6> what do ya mean?
[09:33] <nino> im installing it over here
[09:33] <Mike2k6> ah ok
[09:33] <honza> I think so, it doesn't say any errors...
[09:35] <intelikey> honza you using an initramfs.img ?
[09:35] <honza> intelikey: i don't think so, where should i find out?
[09:36] <intelikey> you built the kernel... did you also mkinitramfs ?
[09:36] <honza> no. But i've never make it before...
[09:36] <intelikey> you edited /boot/grub/menu.lst  did you mention an initramfs.img ?
[09:37] <honza> no...
[09:37] <honza> But I never did before...
[09:37] <nino> just hang in there mike
[09:37] <honza> On older versions...
[09:37] <intelikey> ok  try building an initramfs.img and adding it to the kernel line and see what it does.
[09:38] <honza> how should i do it? I need a little help with that...
[09:38] <honza> lamer, sorry :-)
[09:38] <Mike2k6> ive also noticed slower web browsing on kubuntu than windows
[09:39] <nino> mines not to bad, i use firefox, u?
[09:39] <intelikey> something like     mkinitramfs [-d confdir]  [-k]  [-o outfile]  [-r root]  [version]
[09:39] <Mike2k6> konqueror
[09:40] <nino> konqueror is slower, i agree
[09:40] <intelikey> that is to say  mkinitramfs -o /boot/initramfs.img-2.6.18  2.6.18<possably the rest of the version string here>
[09:40] <intelikey> may need sudo
[09:40] <brucem> Question from a Newbie: how do i find out, on a website e.g. www.ubuntu.com - what RSS feeds are available to subscribe to?
[09:40] <nino> did you download the TAR or the ubuntu/debain file??
[09:41] <nino> for frostwire
[09:41] <seishinbyou> !elinks
[09:41] <Mike2k6> debian
[09:41] <ubotu> elinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.1-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 3316 kB
[09:41] <Mike2k6> the .deb
[09:41] <Mike2k6> had to install java
[09:42] <honza> intelikey: I have unblocked root, it's ok.
[09:42] <nino> ok, im gonna grab the tarball
[09:42] <intelikey> it's ok with me.
[09:42] <brucem> Question from a Newbie: how do i find out, on a website e.g. www.ubuntu.com - what RSS feeds are available to subscribe to?
[09:43] <honza> So the mkinitramfs worked good, no errors, what should i do next? add a line to menu.lst?
[09:43] <nino> if it works then just go for that rather than stuff around fixing the deb
[09:43] <intelikey> yep
[09:43] <honza> and the line should be? initrd?
[09:43] <nino> mmm java not for me
[09:43] <intelikey> you can look at the other kernel lines   the default is a good example
[09:44] <honza> so it is the initrd line?
[09:44] <ehird> Why isn't svn in the repos? :/
[09:44] <intelikey> dont ask me for the specifics in grub  grub wont work on my system so i don't use it and am not very familear with it.
[09:44] <brucem> i am looking for a decent PIM (mail, calendar mostly) under Kubuntu - any suggestions?
[09:44] <seishinbyou> Kontact?
[09:44] <intelikey> honza yes   like but point to the new file
[09:45] <brucem> is Kontact the best option? anything else decent out there?
[09:45] <honza> intelikey Thx, that should do it, I'll add the line and try to reboot...
[09:45] <intelikey> k
[09:45] <ehird> :/
[09:45] <nino> check freshmeat.net mabe youl find a nice little calander proggie
[09:46] <intelikey> there is already a calender in the task bar
[09:46] <intelikey> no ?
[09:46] <brucem> has anybody used a calendar under KDE that is decent? e.g. sync from online calendars etc
[09:47] <seishinbyou> Kontact did everything I needed it to, and Kmail will add appointment "invitations" from MSN calendar into Kontact
[09:47] <brucem> yes - but i mean an organiser where i can put appointments, reminders etc
[09:47] <intelikey> i don't use one piriod.     cal   hehhe if i need to look at one.
[09:47] <xsacha> !konsolekalendar
[09:47] <ubotu> konsolekalendar: KDE konsole personal organizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 73 kB, installed size 276 kB
[09:48] <seishinbyou> brucem: Again, have you looked at kontact?  I believe it was installed by default with edgy
[09:48] <seishinbyou> It has appointments, todo, calendars, etc.
[09:49] <brucem> and the mail client under Kontact/ decent?
[09:49] <intelikey> i think cal is installed by default also.....  :)
[09:50] <intelikey> brucem no  terrable
[09:50] <intelikey> you'll hate it.
[09:50] <intelikey> better to use inbox in windows
[09:51] <seishinbyou> You mean Outhouse Excess?
[09:51] <xsacha> lo
[09:51] <nino> mike do you run frostwire as root?
[09:51] <sgiess> hi all
[09:51] <xsacha> and konversation in root ftw
[09:51] <brucem> i thought this room was supposed to be helpful... ;)
[09:52] <intelikey> brucem where did you get that idea ?
[09:52] <seishinbyou> Ooh, I get to yell at my subordinate again for this gem in his PHP code : system("rm -rf / $work_dir");
[09:52] <seishinbyou> That's 2 strikes
[09:52] <xsacha> i have to add something to kontact but not sure whether it should go in Calendar, To-do list or Journal.. or maybe Notes
[09:52] <intelikey> go back to windows brucem
[09:52] <brucem> intellikey why so sarcastic?
[09:52] <brucem> i might go back to windows if the ubuntu community is this unhelpful
[09:52] <brucem> i thought we were supposed to be encouraging people to convert?
[09:53] <seishinbyou> For mail, you can use Evolution or Kmail or Thunderbird...whatever turns your crank
[09:53] <xsacha> they'll convert when they are ready
[09:53] <intelikey> seishinbyou hehhe thats a good one...  tell him/her to run it as root
[09:53] <intelikey> or set it suid
[09:53] <seishinbyou> intelikey: It's worse than you think; this is production code
[09:53] <intelikey> brucem go.   go now.   don't try to play me.
[09:54] <honza> Intelikey: Thank you a lot, it worked fine, i've other errors, but I can solve it myself. Thank you once more :-)
[09:54] <xsacha> lol@ubuntu rss feed: http://zakame.spunge.org/blog/2006/11/01/my-kubuntu-edgy-upgrade-experience/
[09:54] <intelikey> seishinbyou oh good lord
[09:54] <xsacha> "my kubuntu edgy upgrade experience"
[09:54] <intelikey> honza np anytime
[09:55] <nino> mike??
[09:55] <ehird> THE kubuntu edgy upgrade experience!!11
[09:55] <brucem> intelli: i honestly just want to get started in kubuntu - why all the aggression?
[09:56] <xsacha> tarballs of iron
[09:56] <brucem> did i break some etiquette rule?
[09:56] <nino> lol
[09:56] <seishinbyou> brucem: Maybe he is just having a bad day?
[09:56] <xsacha> that's a good one: requirement to upgrade to edgy: tarballs of iron
[09:56] <seishinbyou> I'm kind of loopy myself right now, but I've been at the office for the past 11 hours
[09:57] <brucem> seishinbyou: yes, but you don't get rude because of it
[09:57] <zorglu_> q. justthis morning i got a 'yahoo password is wrong' from kopete, but my yahoo password has not changed and was working for several months... is it a known problem ?
[09:57] <intelikey> brucem because you are just trolling the channel.  this channel is for help  you have not asked one question that will actually help you or anyone else.  if you want to look at screen shoots or read doce we can point you to them but what you've been doing and the "i'll go back to windows" wanna be threat is non-sense.
[09:58] <Electrolyte> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10434.0 <-- I posted the k3d bug, it appears someone else has it.
[09:58] <Electrolyte> Sounds like it's a broken package.
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> this place is so quiet.
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> its scary.
[09:58] <brucem> me finding a decent PIM under kubuntu will help me, promise...
[09:58] <xsacha> zorglu_: it works in other IM programs?
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> are there any new nvidia updates for kubuntu?
[09:58] <brucem> why is that such a bad question?
[09:58] <xsacha> what's a PIM?
[09:59] <zorglu_> xsacha: i havnt tried any other im programms
[09:59] <brucem> Personal Info Manager: mail, calendar, RSS etc
[09:59] <Electrolyte> Oh, ATI released their new driver today for Windows *AND* Linux.
[09:59] <intelikey> brucem  so install kubuntu and look at the default.  if you don't like it then ask for alternatives.   don't just troll the channel.
[09:59] <zorglu_> brucem: there is 'kontact' for that
[09:59] <xsacha> brucem: we arleady told you:
[09:59] <xsacha> kontact does all of them
[09:59] <zorglu_> !info kontact
[09:59] <ubotu> kontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1574 kB, installed size 3400 kB
[10:00] <brucem> that's exactly what i did - asked for alternatives... i said "i tried kontact... any other decent ones?"
[10:00] <zorglu_> brucem: nope
[10:00] <intelikey> brucem evolution
[10:00] <intelikey> install it and run it.
[10:00] <nino> try freshmeat.net for more!!
[10:00] <brucem> just because it exists doesn't mean it is decent... that's what i'm asking - anybody been impressed with a certain PIM
[10:01] <xsacha> brucem: most of us just use the default or none at all..
[10:01] <zorglu_> brucem: decent doesnt mean anything
[10:01] <xsacha> if you want, searching for one is best.. it's personal preference which one is decent
[10:01] <zorglu_> brucem: try kontact and evolution, and decide yourself if you find them decent
[10:01] <intelikey> ok i tried nice, i tried hostile now i'll try ignore.
[10:02] <brucem> yes, thanks, evolution is something i can try too. i didn't know that before. so thanks for the help
[10:02] <intelikey> congrats brucem you are the first one in this channel i have ever had to ignore.
[10:02] <Electrolyte> Is it me or does the webpage for the ATI fglrx driver improved?
[10:02] <xsacha> someone suggested evolution a while back brucem..
[10:02] <brucem> um intelli u forgot to ignore me
[10:02] <Electrolyte> Since AMD has changed the website.
[10:02] <zorglu_> ok nobody else experienced issue with yahoo password thru kopete ?
[10:02] <xsacha> Electrolyte: i think it got worse :S
[10:02] <Electrolyte> Their sodding javascript keeps throwing Konq into a fit :/
[10:03] <xsacha> hmm konq hasnt given me that, what version/
[10:03] <intelikey> you can kick javascript for that site.... i think
[10:04] <brucem> intellikey i really mean no harm. i apologise if i offended u
[10:04] <Electrolyte> It keeps locking up then saying "A script on this site is causing to be unresponsive" error.
[10:04] <Electrolyte> I've got 3.5.5.
[10:04] <xsacha> hmm me too
[10:04] <Electrolyte> Eventually it gets out of it
[10:04] <Mike2k6> anyone here play MuD's?
[10:04] <intelikey> actually i never tried to set it to only not/work on certin sites
[10:04] <Electrolyte> But it's strange that ATI release a Linux driver at the exact same time as 6.10 for Windows.
[10:04] <Electrolyte> Does this mean AMD have improved it?
[10:05] <intelikey> Electrolyte check the version ?
[10:05] <Electrolyte> You can download either the installed, the X11 version or X.Org version :/
[10:05] <Electrolyte> the installer*
[10:06] <Electrolyte> 8.30.3
[10:06] <nino> MIke2k6 does not look like frostwire runs on Kubuntu  http://www.frostwire.com/?module=faq#com4
[10:06] <Electrolyte> Released yesterday.
[10:06] <intelikey> then yes it's supposed to be improved
[10:06] <nino> i cannot connect either
[10:07] <intelikey> !frostwire
[10:07] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:08] <Electrolyte> [09:06:38]  <intelikey> then yes it's supposed to be improved <-- :O!!!!
[10:08] <nino> cool will check it out thanks ubotu
[10:08] <Electrolyte> intelikey: Should I wait for it to be released over apt?
[10:10] <intelikey> Electrolyte that's up to you.  but it's always a bit easier to bet the distro packages working
[10:10] <Electrolyte> Ok.
[10:11] <intelikey> bet/get
[10:11] <intelikey> i'm getting late  :)
[10:11] <Electrolyte> According to their faq they've improved the install.
[10:12] <intelikey> like i said it' up to you.
[10:12] <intelikey> s
[10:13] <Emess> wierd, when i switch virtual desktops teh cube rotates to them, but it shows windows on all desktops on everyone instead of only the ones on that desktop...
[10:13] <intelikey> is odd
[10:16] <Electrolyte> Heh, Linux driver feedback feature :D
[10:16] <Electrolyte> Must use this :D
[10:16] <intelikey> :)
[10:17] <kakalto> did I ever congratulate #kubuntu on the amazing......ly SHOCKING job that was upgrade?
[10:17] <intelikey> i don't know. you'll have to ask them.
[10:23] <scheuri> hi all
[10:24] <intelikey> scheuri
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> apparently laptops aren't waterproof
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> ohh wells
[10:25] <intelikey> you didn't get the aquitic special ???
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> aparently not..
[10:25] <intelikey> hmmm
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> and they siad apples take shit better pfft
[10:25] <scheuri> intelikey: yes, how may I be of assistance?
[10:25] <Electrolyte> intelikey: Feedback sent, will have to see what they say :)
[10:26] <Electrolyte> I told them UT2007 and Savage 2 is coming to Linux, so I would really appreciate if they could optimise the driver as much as they do for Windows.
[10:26] <Electrolyte> Since I have a high-end AMD CPU they may listen ;)
[10:27] <intelikey> Electrolyte never know....  :)
[10:28] <T3hWiz0rd> Electrolyte: its sad but a lot of companies still don't see linux as a priority... but within logical reason you have to see why
[10:28] <intelikey> scheuri assistance?    oh  just answering your "<scheuri> hi all"
[10:28] <Electrolyte> T3hWiz0rd: Yeah I know.
[10:28] <Electrolyte> "Not enough people use it"
[10:28] <scheuri> intelikey: ah, sorry
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> thats sadly the biggest problem, Electrolyte... that and its not exactly a profitable market yet
[10:29] <Electrolyte> But I think ATI already know they're losing ATI customers who use Linux because of their driver.
[10:29] <sparr> (Reading database ... 382579 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> Electrolyte: of course... but they're losing less then they're gaining.
[10:29] <Electrolyte> Yeah :/
[10:29] <scheuri> its the famous "egg and chicken" thing
[10:29] <Electrolyte> But since AMD are also part of ATI now, it'll throw me off of buying another AMD CPU in the process.
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: because it still represents less than 20% of the computing world.
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd it represents a market
[10:30] <Electrolyte> But that number does increase.
[10:30] <intelikey> or infamus
[10:30] <Electrolyte> With distros like Ubuntu & Kubuntu.
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: but its not a profitable market *yet*
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd I know lots of large profitable companies that work within a market of less than a million people
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> jorik: bs
[10:31] <Electrolyte> With the demands coming out with AIGLX & XGL & Beryl etc, users are going to switch to Linux just for the eye-candy.
[10:31] <navidjoon> Got a problem editing a pdf file. Can anyone help?
[10:31] <T3hWiz0rd> I mean, I look at it at the standpoint of a business man, as I am one... Even if I am fond of soemthing (like say, if i was a hardware manufacture), but what i was fond of was not where my mass market is... I would not focus on it.
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd better not tell Nokia that
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd they sold out of their first Linux product for 3 months straight
[10:32] <T3hWiz0rd> well, thats just the realistic way... Now once I had money, I am sure i'd give some more focus to that branch that I like... but in reality... Businesses are in business to be capitalistic... not to be everyones friends and make everyone happy...
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> then you have companies like Linksys who use Linux in most of their routers
[10:32] <uros> hi all - does anyone know where i can get rid of the "separator" on every toolbar?
[10:32] <scheuri> there is another problem...linux has too many flavours (in their view)....
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> scheuri: last I looked there was only one kernel
[10:33] <navidjoon> Anyone familliar with postscript? I want to make one postscript file from several ps files and then convert that one file to pdf. Can anyone help?
[10:33] <scheuri> Linux_Galore: yes, but hundreds of distributions...and several package management systems
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> navidjoon: you need to use the ps2  tools
[10:34] <navidjoon> I got them
[10:34] <hi> uros: that depends on the style
[10:35] <navidjoon> But how should I use them? As far as I can see they only accept one input file
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> scheuri: really there are only 2 very popular binary install systems for linux the rest are hardly worth talking about, also windows doesnt have a single binary install system either
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> linux needs to do 3 things before it can really become a major target for companies
[10:35] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: hich ones are you talking about ?
[10:35] <scheuri> Linux_Galore: dont tell me...:)...I know that...but...
[10:35] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: deb and rpm ?
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> apt and rpm
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> 1. a universal packaging system. 2. fewer flavors 3. a major corporation to really REAR it
[10:35] <scheuri> insanekane: binary are rpm and deb
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> insanekane: yep
[10:36] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: well, pisi will outdo both of them
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> insanekane: thats about 90% of the desktop systems covered
[10:36] <scheuri> insanekane: pisi?
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> insanekane: when it gets a market share we will see
[10:36] <insanekane> scheuri: pisi - Packages Installed Successfully as Intended
[10:36] <scheuri> *laughs*...good name
[10:36] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: sure :)
[10:37] <insanekane> scheuri: its faster, smaller and... much much easier to make
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[10:37] <scheuri> well, I am very very happy with deb so far...but...if it its better...fair enough
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> I think my stance on linux provides the most realistic insight to why companies don't aim at it often...
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> its just too broad of an OS... everyone and their mother has made a linux flavor of their own
[10:37] <root__> i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :(
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd your under the false beleif windows actually has a single binary install system, last I looked there were tons of them
[10:37] <insanekane> scheuri: in turkish, pisi also means "pussy" . as in cat ... "pisipisipisi .." is similiar to "here kitty kitty kitty"
[10:37] <scheuri> insanekane: heh...:)
[10:38] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: however it be, windows still doesn't have 1000 flavors to it
[10:38] <root__> i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :( did i lost all 241 mb download:(
[10:38] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd what you call a weakness  linux calls it's greatest strength
[10:38] <insanekane> scheuri: pardus devels made approx 500 pisi packages in 2-3 months ...
[10:38] <intelikey> diversity
[10:38] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: i understand the freedom philosophy, but at some point it becomes a weakness
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd wait for vista, there are about 9 flavours of that, then you have all the apps with their own take on how windows should work
[10:38] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: well, that is indeed a problem, but still...to make a source is not that much asked for?
[10:38] <insanekane> scheuri: for a very small group of devels, thats amazing
[10:38] <scheuri> insanekane: sounds good...
[10:39] <T3hWiz0rd> scheuri: you're asking major companies to release their precious secrets to plain view of their competetors...
[10:39] <insanekane> scheuri: it is all because of the ease of making packages under pardus
[10:39] <root__>  <insanekane>: arkada bir fikrin var m bu salak durum iin?  i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :( did i lost all 241 mb download:(
[10:39] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: woah...sorry...aye...okay...but making a deb and a rpm is that much asked for?
[10:39] <insanekane> root__: :) sorry, i dont know turkish :)
[10:40] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: you know, i don't like microsoft I don't care for them but saying that there are 9 flavors of vista and all will not be intercompatable is such an understatement and a zealot way to look at it.
[10:40] <insanekane> root__: i dont think you lost all the updates
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> actually I dont want any company to release there code to be honest, all I want is a open standard for communicating with their products, the rest I dont give a toss about
[10:40] <T3hWiz0rd> what made windows successful in the first place?
[10:40] <scheuri> root__: you did not lost them....their are in our cache for apt somehwhere on your harddisk
[10:41] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: marketing?
[10:41] <T3hWiz0rd> I know we all like to think that they took over with an army of dones... but it was successful because it was easy and marketed effectively.
[10:41] <intelikey> scheuri light years of diff in suppling a packaged driver and releasing the source code.    to be gnu complient the source code has to be readily avalable to all
[10:41] <root__> scheuri: how can i get them or try to do update again? or when i reboot, will i lose those ?
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd I didn't say anything about compatibility, your adding to the subject, now you have opened a whole new can of worms
[10:42] <scheuri> root__: well, if you start ipgrade again, it should start from where it stopped...happens to me at least
[10:42] <scheuri> root__: and no...as far as I know you wont lose them after reboot
[10:42] <intelikey> "<T3hWiz0rd> what made windows successful in the first place?"    for the most part lack of compitition.
[10:42] <scheuri> Linux_Galore: worms? ;)
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd create a exel file with lots of macro's in office 2000 now open it in office 2007, bugger me all the macro's have gone
[10:43] <intelikey> actually ibm
[10:43] <scheuri> aye, IBM....boykott them...;)
[10:43] <T3hWiz0rd> *smacks forehead and shakes head*
[10:43] <intelikey> hehhe no but that was what really made M$
[10:43] <T3hWiz0rd> I guess the point i am trying to get is
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> when grandma and grandpa turn on their computer to check emails and share photos with the grandkids
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> they don't know they're turning on linux... or windows... or mac... they're turning on their dell
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> thats it to them, They turn their *dell* on... and it goes to the internet
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> and thats just about ALL they know.
[10:44] <intelikey> M$ was that "ibm compatable operating system"  and that's what made the day for M$
[10:44] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: well, it is unfortunately not that easy
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd like my mother tried to this weekend and spent 2 hours trying to attach a directory full of images to an email but couldnt because it was a virtual linked directory
[10:45] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: it ALWAYS fails on the lack of hardware support if people use linux....as soon as a digicam is involved thins get complicate
[10:45] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: the point is though linux does need to make a dummie distro thats realyl well reared by a major company and then distributed with effective marketing.
[10:45] <scheuri> and who is to blame for lacking hardware support?
 when grandma and grandpa turn on their computer to check emails and share photos with the grandkids <---- they are running linux cause i installed it.
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd trust me windows doesnt pass the mum and dad test
[10:46] <intelikey> no it doesn't Linux_Galore
[10:46] <intelikey> not at all.
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd your under the impression that elite users care that dumb asses use Linux
[10:46] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: I know al ot of elite users who take major pisses on anyone new.
[10:46] <T3hWiz0rd> and thats discouraging enough.
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd trust me I dont want Linux stagnating for 5 years because people dont like menu changing
[10:46] <T3hWiz0rd> it made me abaondon linux for a whole year once.
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> menu's
[10:48] <root__> people "THe input device 168 error is simply X trying to load a Wacom tablet and not finding one" this is my problem
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd I dont force people to buy fords or GN cars, if fords are a little bit more technical and suite me do i really give a shit if GM makes cars for stupid people
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> s/gn/gm/
[10:48] <root__> and "X error bad device invalid or uninitialized input device" this is the error
[10:48] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i guess nothing I say will ever make a plausable argument iwth you because your mind is set on what its set on. But the truth is your method doesn't market to the end user
[10:48] <intelikey> guys.  let me say this and i'll let you get back to your off topic discussion.  " linux is what linux is, as windows is what windows is.   that means basicly love it or leave it.  but don't waste everyone elses time griping about it"
[10:50] <intelikey> root__ so remove the referances to wacom in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd you dont get it, I like Linux the way it is, I dont want a stagnant sheeple Linux tangent, I love the constant variations of new idea's and concepts
[10:50] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: im not saying lets take away your linux
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd "its why I truly like Linux"
[10:50] <T3hWiz0rd> im saying lets help linux make a breakthrough.
[10:51] <T3hWiz0rd> we can do that by making a linux distro that has a very good marketing strategy, has a big company pouring good money into it, and gets into good ties wit hhardware distributors.
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd you cant, thats what you dont get, you cant make an OS who's whole aim it evolutionary become stagnant and stupid
[10:51] <intelikey> it already broke through, several times.... it doesn't like it over there, keeps comming back  :)
[10:52] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: then explain why debian always is staying stable and not "on the edge"?
[10:52] <n3storm> hi everyone
[10:52] <root__> intelikey: what should i remove i dont know new linux here
[10:52] <nickste> hey n3
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd Linspre is a great example, there so far behind now to keep things simple and stupid from the mainstream code releases now its not funny
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> Linspire*
[10:53] <insanekane> intelikey: a fitting end i must say :)
[10:53] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i don't consider any distro that runs full root a linux distrobution.
[10:53] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: os x dumbs down unix without running a full root account... ever, root isn't even allowed.
[10:53] <root__> intelikey: should i delete conf file in xorg.conf
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd Debian stable is for servers, with server you after up times, but stable still gets back ports from the "unstable" branch
[10:53] <intelikey> root__ no, edit the file   kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf      and look for "wacom"  comment out the entire section, should be two of them.
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd you can get root on OSX
[10:54] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i know you can
[10:54] <T3hWiz0rd> i am talking out of the box its an entire sudoers os
[10:54] <intelikey> insanekane :)
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd also OSX runs pretty unstable code its just that the BSD guys filter it pretty well
[10:55] <bergheim> What's the update manager called for KDE?
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: what i am saying is we need a linux distro more like os x...
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: does that sum it down enough?
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> something that markets well...
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> bergheim:  god no OSX is horrible
[10:55] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd sums it up well but i totally disagree... :)
[10:56] <bergheim> Linux_Galore: ?
[10:56] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i didn't ask your personal opinions on os x, i said linux needs something that can be marketed as such
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> the UI on OSX is absolutely the most over hyped piece of rubbish Ive ever used
[10:56] <bergheim> I mean something that notifys me when an update is avaliable
[10:57] <T3hWiz0rd> I love linux too but its time for some zealots to reenter reality.
[10:57] <insanekane> bergheim: adept
[10:57] <bergheim> When did I ever say anything about OSX o.O
[10:57] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: and what would this reality be?
[10:57] <cab_> hi all
[10:57] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd why reality is for those that cant handle uforia
[10:57] <T3hWiz0rd> scheuri: "don't believe your eyes, they'll lie to you"
[10:57] <bergheim> insanekane: you have to run adept manually though.. I mean something that sits in your systray.. I remember having it there before, I just closed it
[10:57] <insanekane> bergheim: its called adept update agent
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> I remember going to a demo of Tiger and he was going on how stable it is, I said let me try, 45 seconds the machine stopped
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> muawahahah
[10:58] <insanekane> bergheim: it sits in the systray and notifies on updates
[10:58] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: aww...come on...no philosophy...what is the reality for "us zealots" we dont see?
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> I means hard reset to fix stopped
[10:58] <insanekane> bergheim: i dont know what it is called in newer versions of kubuntu ... i no longer use kubuntu
[10:58] <root__> intelikey_ there are three wacom devices all they are for tablet pc, i deleted 3 of all
[10:58] <cab_> root__: you need to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and comment out all that points to wacom
[10:58] <T3hWiz0rd> scheuri: so you're classifying yourself as a zealot?
[10:59] <bergheim> insanekane: okay.. Thanks, I'll look..
[10:59] <intelikey> root__ the full sections i assume not just one line each....
[10:59] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: well, sometimes yes...but I am eager to find out what reality "the zealots" dont want to see in your opinion...
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> OSX looks pretty but I know from the khtml the code handed over by apple its total rubbish underneath
[10:59] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: os x has leaps and bounds to still overcome
[10:59] <bergheim> insanekane: right, adept_notifier :)
[11:00] <insanekane> scheuri: hes probably talking about the proprietary/closed source usefullness of programs
[11:00] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: it still even crashes when ejecting network drives
[11:00] <insanekane> bergheim: yeah that i guess '
[11:00] <scheuri> insanekane: ah, okay
[11:00] <n3storm> I would like to share a calendar with kontact
[11:00] <insanekane> bergheim: as i said, i dont know what it is called ... i stopped using kubuntu sometime ago
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> well I know the UI wont multi thread well till this day thats how i can crash it so easily
[11:00] <n3storm> is webdav the best choice to do so across the internet?
[11:00] <bergheim> insanekane: might I ask why
[11:00] <cpm> is rapidshare.de and rapidshare.com the same or is the .com just a ripoff??
[11:00] <n3storm> we are 4 o 5 users only
[11:01] <insanekane> bergheim: i moved to better one :)
[11:01] <intelikey> !best
[11:01] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[11:01] <insanekane> bergheim: in my opinion atleast ...
[11:01] <n3storm> I read about caldav and  groupdav and now I'm a bit confused
[11:01] <root__> intelikey_ the adept gives error but it updates now. i see it from details, but percentage is still zero
[11:01] <bergheim> insanekane: I figured, I was just wondering what you landed on..
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> I know Linux is far from perfect but to be honest I havent seen a truly innovative OS desktop in 23 years
[11:02] <insanekane> bergheim: www.pardus.org.tr ... click english in the nvaigation bar
[11:02] <root__> intelikey_ now stopped...
[11:02] <n3storm> Linux_Galore: may be mediacenters?
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> n3storm: nope
[11:02] <n3storm> ok
[11:02] <T3hWiz0rd> pz everyone
[11:02] <T3hWiz0rd> its beadtime for me.
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> most desktop still use the dated filing cabinet model for files and data, when humans handle data in space and time in reality
[11:03] <intelikey> root__ someone said there was a problem with a ubuntu server eariler.... i haven't confirmed or refuited it
[11:03] <EricJ> Hi everyone. Got a newbie question. :)
[11:03] <EricJ> How do I install Kdevelop?
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> EricJ: apt-get install kdevelop
[11:04] <root__> !debconf
[11:04] <ubotu> debconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure
[11:04] <typecast> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583 <--- when will this one go into the official ubuntu archives?
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> EricJ: sorry  sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[11:04] <LockUp> Is it possible to save documents to PDF/X using OpenOffice.org?
[11:05] <intelikey> EricJ sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[11:05] <EricJ> Linux_Galore: I think I'm missing some repositories. Could you help me?
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> LockUp: yep, icon up the top
[11:05] <insanekane> LockUp: to PDF yes ... but if you want to print professionally, i strongly suggest *not* to use OOo
[11:05] <intelikey> should prolly also get  kdevelop3-doc
[11:05] <n3storm> indeed, insanekane
[11:05] <LockUp> It's called "PDF/X" format.
[11:05] <insanekane> LockUp: i dont think OOo has PDF/X support though
[11:05] <n3storm> better use Scribus and scribus-ng
[11:05] <n3storm> but scribus has a bug on ubuntu
[11:06] <insanekane> n3storm: scribus-ng ?
[11:06] <kaabaa> hi all! I have a problem installing kubuntu: he tells me that XFS may not be used on a partition with /boot, but I setted up another partition with ext2 for /boot (this is step5 of the installation routine)
[11:06] <LockUp> Scribus cannot open OpenOffice's .odg and .sxd documents. :(
[11:06] <n3storm> yeap, is a devel-stable release ;)
[11:06] <intelikey> !info kdevelop
[11:06] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[11:06] <insanekane> LockUp: but you can import it
[11:06] <insanekane> n3storm: ah right
[11:06] <intelikey> !info kdevelop edgy
[11:06] <n3storm> LockUp: last time I checked it could
[11:06] <n3storm> pretty stable
[11:06] <intelikey> i guess that was edgy
[11:06] <insanekane> LockUp: use the get text modle
[11:06] <LockUp> So I shouldn't "open" it but "import"?
[11:06] <intelikey> !info kdevelop dapper
[11:06] <insanekane> module
[11:06] <ubotu> Package kdevelop does not exist in dapper
[11:07] <n3storm> but you should unninstall scimmqt or a similar package
[11:07] <Linux_Galore> PDF/X is supported by scribus
[11:07] <insanekane> LockUp: wat you do is .. start scribus with a new document and a text frmae ... right click the frame and click get text
[11:07] <n3storm> in order to scribus work properly
[11:07] <scheuri> packages.ubuntu.com might help to find packages
[11:07] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: yep, it is ;)
[11:07] <LockUp> okay
[11:07] <Linux_Galore> LockUp: get scribus its free and in the repositories
[11:07] <LockUp> I will try. :)
[11:07] <LockUp> I have Scribus on Linux.
[11:07] <kaabaa> could anyone help me ? I can't continue the installation, he keeps telling me to chosse another fs although I have ext2 for /boot
[11:07] <Electrolyte> Oh I am so getting sick of apt :/
[11:07] <LockUp> Okay, i'm going to Linux.
[11:07] <Electrolyte> Break this, break that.
[11:07] <scheuri> Electrolyte: why is that?
[11:08] <scheuri> Electrolyte: upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[11:08] <Electrolyte> Not only do I have a loophole with k3d, now I can't remove OpenOffice.
[11:08] <Electrolyte> On Edgy.
[11:08] <EricJ> scheuri: I've found the package I want on packages.ubuntu.com, but I'm not sure what to add to sources.list :/
[11:08] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: means need to work on your sources.list  more, I very rarely get dep problems
[11:08] <rbolt> hello
[11:08] <theskyrider> is there an extreme newbie channel, for like two-hours old newbies?
[11:08] <Electrolyte> The sources.list is normal.
[11:08] <nickste> I'm trying to get Beryl/XGL/ATI to work. When I start beryl, it says: XGL Absent, and goes on to try and use AIGLX, which doesn't work.
[11:08] <scheuri> EricJ: does is say [universe]  in red next to the package name on package.ubuntu.com?
[11:08] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: mine isnt its got heaps in there
[11:08] <n3storm> theskyrider: go ahead
[11:09] <rbolt> i have video stream problems can some enlighten me?
[11:09] <Electrolyte> Well there you go then - my is standard yet it's breaking.
[11:09] <EricJ> scheuri: 2secs, lemme check
[11:09] <Electrolyte> Only been getting these problems since I did the upgrade.
[11:09] <scheuri> Electrolyte: aaahh...upgrade...
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: usually its because they expect you to use some of the none standard ones
[11:09] <intelikey> kaabaa if the installer wont let you continue   there's nothing we can do about it.   but i can point you to the "alternate" install cd if you want to do anything 'non-standard'   i can't say that it will install on xfs but it "should".
[11:09] <Electrolyte> I'm gonna end up burning the ISO to disc and doing a fresh sodding install :/
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: yeah I did the dapper-> edgy update, fsking mess
[11:10] <n3storm> theskyrider: what is your problem?
[11:10] <scheuri> Electrolyte: if you have your /home on a seperate partition...its not that bad....but please backup forst
[11:10] <kaabaa> intelikey: it worked with dapper though
[11:10] <theskyrider> I just installed ubuntu as a dual-boot on my laptop.  I can't see my wireless card though
[11:10] <intelikey> kaabaa i know.
[11:10] <Electrolyte> I have 2 drives for backup.
[11:10] <root__> intelikey_ in fact again i cant login with myusername and password...
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: I got it working in the end but it wasnt easy
[11:10] <Electrolyte> I don't actually use /home/, I use /sata/files/ and /backup/
[11:10] <theskyrider> not always going to be able to use eth0, if you know what I mean
[11:10] <EricJ> Hmm.. Thanks for the hint, scheuri. I think I've got it figured out now. :)
[11:11] <root__> intelikey_ sth happened and it doesnt accept it in kde, but it is ok in konsole...
[11:11] <Electrolyte> I'd backup ~/.kde/ though.
[11:11] <scheuri> EricJ: very welcome
[11:11] <kaabaa> intelikey: maybe it's just me doing something wrong? I have 3 partitions, ext2 for /boot, xfs for / and swap for swap and then I show him what is what
[11:11] <intelikey> oh is it a login issue root__ i thought you were trying to rid your self of those pesky error messages
[11:11] <scheuri> Electrolyte: PLEASE...backup everything...
[11:11] <root__> intelikey_ yes now i am root
[11:11] <Electrolyte> Well if I backup /.kde/ it'll break due to missing fonts and such :/
[11:11] <n3storm> theskyrider: I don't know what you mean :(
[11:11] <Electrolyte> scheuri: I'm already upgraded.
[11:12] <root__> intelikey_ because i cant login with my username
[11:12] <n3storm> anyway you need wireless access, don't you?
[11:12] <Electrolyte> And it messed up.
[11:12] <Electrolyte> I doubt I'll upgrade from Edgy to the next one.
[11:12] <scheuri> Electrolyte: yes...but with a clean install you might be lucky...but...that also means there is a chance (even if its a small one) that it will kill your data
[11:12] <kaabaa> intelikey: the problem is - I cannot boot into Windows because it destroyed grub -
[11:12] <intelikey> root__ you are using a password ?
[11:12] <Electrolyte> scheuri: I already said I use 2 different drives.
[11:12] <root__> intelikey_ yes
[11:12] <Electrolyte> 3 total.
[11:13] <scheuri> Electrolyte: well...just wanted to point out that backups are very very important before installing anything new
[11:13] <theskyrider> I have a wap in the house already, but I can't even find the wireless card with this os
[11:13] <n3storm> aha
[11:13] <n3storm> theskyrider: what model is your wireless card?
[11:13] <theskyrider> atheros
[11:13] <intelikey> root__ try changing the password     (you can change it to the same theing if you like)
[11:14] <kaabaa> intelikey: so where can I get the alternative CD at least?
[11:14] <scheuri> kaabaa: ubuntu.com
[11:14] <theskyrider> sorry, toshiba laptop, atheros wireless card.
[11:14] <intelikey> kaabaa from the same download page as the live cd
[11:14] <kaabaa> scheuri: I'm using kubuntu ?
[11:14] <root__> intelikey_ i tried it, also added new user too, but still kde doesnt accept, all those happened after a broken translation which is mysql
[11:15] <n3storm> theskyrider: can you see the exact model with lspci?
[11:15] <scheuri> kaabaa: well then....kubuntu.org
[11:15] <n3storm> theskyrider: you open a konsole
[11:15] <n3storm> and write down "lspci"
[11:15] <n3storm> and then press Intro
[11:15] <n3storm> you will see a list of devices
[11:15] <rbolt> i have video streaming problems thru lan (windows shared videos)
[11:15] <rbolt> can someone help me
[11:15] <kaabaa> intelikey: but I dont have less than 192MB ram or these things, why should I use the Alternative then? Does it have the old installation routine?
[11:16] <intelikey> root__ oh my.  mysql did this to you.....   and i know nothing about mysql... you need someone else to help with that.
[11:16] <theskyrider> ok, got the lspci working, need a minute to go through the screen
[11:16] <scheuri> kaabaa: alternate. not alternative...and yes...it has the "old" routine on it
[11:16] <root__> intelikey_ ok sir, thanx again:)
[11:16] <intelikey> kaabaa yes
[11:16] <root__> intelikey_ let me reboot
[11:16] <intelikey> root__ k
[11:17] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me with apt-get
[11:17] <n3storm> theskyrider: take your time
[11:17] <EricJ> Just a quick question. What are the differences between (K)ubuntu and the Debian distributions? o.O
[11:17] <theskyrider> ok, lspci is showing me that it does know what the card is.
[11:17] <EricJ> I'm new to Kubuntu, and it looks quite similar.
[11:17] <intelikey> eaglehawk
[11:17] <momal> hmm anyone know why glxgears(+ other opengl games) would be giving out a low fps rate? (I have a geforce 7800gt + nvidia beta drivers + edgy) its onyl geting about 10-20fps :S
[11:17] <scheuri> EricJ: different version of packages/software, some patches which might be applied on one distribution and not the other...
[11:18] <intelikey> !ask | eaglehawk
[11:18] <ubotu> eaglehawk: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:18] <theskyrider>  Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC
[11:18] <EricJ> Hm
[11:18] <intelikey> eaglehawk no.  in the channel.
[11:18] <n3storm> theskyrider: ok, great
[11:18] <scheuri> EricJ: (K)ubuntu will release every 6 month....debian will release when its done
[11:18] <intelikey> eaglehawk in the channel.
[11:19] <EricJ> Allright, thanks scheuri. Just curious. :)
[11:19] <n3storm> theskyrider: now I go to google and copy paste "ubuntu AR5005G 802.11abg NIC"
[11:20] <n3storm> to check if somebody else has had problems, issues, success, etc with ubuntu
[11:20] <scheuri> EricJ: sure enoug...:)
[11:20] <n3storm> if I get no info with ubuntu, I will look for debian
[11:20] <n3storm> and if not linux in general
[11:20] <n3storm> ok?
[11:21] <n3storm> looks like your wifi card should work out of the box with edgy
[11:21] <n3storm> what version of kubuntu did you install, theskyrider ?
[11:21] <scheuri> n3storm: already made a ifconfig with theskyrider
[11:21] <scheuri> ?
[11:22] <n3storm> and?
[11:22] <theskyrider> using ubuntu, not kubuntu
[11:22] <n3storm> no wireless card?
[11:22] <scheuri> n3storm: sorry, that was a question...:)
[11:22] <n3storm> aha :D
[11:22] <scheuri> theskyrider: that is all the same on that level
[11:22] <intelikey> eaglehawk sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[11:22] <n3storm> we are on to it
[11:22] <alexicon> hiya still haveing glx issues
[11:22] <scheuri> n3storm: maybe the wlan card is recognized...
[11:22] <theskyrider> 6.10
[11:23] <alexicon> when i change driver in xorg.conf to "nvidia" from "nv" X wont start
[11:23] <n3storm> theskyrider: write down at your konsole: iwconfig
[11:24] <n3storm> theskyrider: that's great, you are using Edgy 6.10
[11:25] <theskyrider> okay, the card is mapped to ath0
[11:25] <intelikey> if eaglehawk ever gets finished pm'ing  and makes it back here would someone show him that command please...
[11:25] <n3storm> theskyrider: eth0 is only for cable cards
[11:26] <n3storm> theskyrider: so, what tool are you using to configure wifi networking?
[11:26] <alexicon> anybody else have their nvidia-glx-conf enable fail due to md5sum error?
[11:26] <xsacha> -im
[11:26] <alexicon> do i need kernel source for nvidia-glx?
[11:26] <scheuri> n3storm: thought it was a config-problem not a hardware-detecion one...;)
[11:26] <intelikey> alexicon eeek wrong kernel ?
[11:26] <alexicon> ive got nvidia-kernel-common
[11:26] <n3storm> sheuri, yep but I wanted him to go through all the process so he learns :D
[11:27] <alexicon> i think thats the right one
[11:27] <alexicon> cos its got the nv driver
[11:27] <alexicon> but glx wont play :/
[11:27] <scheuri> n3storm: sure enough...;)
[11:27] <alexicon> not even with my old gentoo config
[11:27] <momal> anyone here run opengl games with nvidia beta drivers and dont' have any probs?
[11:27] <intelikey> alexicon i mean are you booted the kernel version that matches the driver version ???
[11:28] <n3storm> theskyrider: can you see the icon of a K or a foot?
[11:28] <n3storm> somewhere at your desktop
[11:28] <alexicon> the numbering scheme doesnt match on glx and kernel
[11:28] <alexicon> gentoo had just combined glx with kernel into one driver set... nrrr
[11:28] <intelikey> anyway i'm out of time.   got to go.
[11:29] <alexicon> bye
[11:29] <theskyrider> the only place i see the foot is in the system menu - reads about gnome
[11:29] <alexicon> momal: did you get nvidia-glx working
[11:29] <intelikey> alexicon but the kernel version matches the restricted-modules version
[11:29] <alexicon> restricted hrm
[11:29] <n3storm> ehe
[11:29] <snovvy> witam!
[11:29] <momal> alexicon: I don't use nvidia-glx... I run the installer from the nvidia site
[11:29] <alexicon> ohh might try that next
[11:30] <n3storm> theskyrider: at this point you better go to #ubuntu channel
[11:30] <n3storm> cause at #kubuntu we have another desktop
[11:30] <jende_> Howdy folks
[11:30] <n3storm> and I can't see the same you see in your screen
[11:30] <theskyrider> konversation had this one set as the default, sorry
[11:30] <scheuri> n3storm: you have ubuntu not installed?
[11:30] <n3storm> so I cannot go through the menus and so
[11:30] <snovvy> i need help... i must add key but i don't know how :) .. yes i am newbie ... :]
[11:30] <n3storm> I have Kubuntu, KDE
[11:30] <scheuri> theskyrider: yes, because konversation is a tool made for KDE...:)
[11:31] <n3storm> theskyrider: no problem
[11:31] <alexicon> i have a couple linux-restricted-modules installed if that matters
[11:31] <n3storm> theskyrider: sorry I can't help you
[11:31] <scheuri> theskyrider: but that is not a problem...most people at #ubuntu using Gnome (like you) and are of better help
[11:31] <n3storm> yep
[11:31] <snovvy> scheuri: i use KDE :)
[11:32] <scheuri> snovvy: me too, but I have Gnome installed as well...;)
[11:32] <mihail> i love gnome :D
[11:32] <snovvy> i got XCFS [or sth]  but it's terrible for me :)
[11:32] <scheuri> xcfs is not that bad if you need something fast...
[11:32] <momal> whats the command to run the check harddrive program
[11:33] <scheuri> momal: hparm is your friend
[11:33] <alexicon> hdd space?
[11:33] <jende_> momal: hdparm
[11:33] <n3storm> alexicon: df
[11:33] <scheuri> hdparm...aye
[11:33] <mihail> what kind of check do ?
[11:33] <jende_> alexicon: or 'du'
[11:33] <momal> the windows one was chkdisk from memory
[11:33] <snovvy> can anyone tell me how to add key? :) I can't end  sudo apt-get update :(
[11:33] <scheuri> df -h even tells you space in human readably sizes
[11:33] <theskyrider> thanks for your help n3storm and scheuri
[11:33] <xsacha> fsck ?
[11:34] <n3storm> theskyrider: you are welcome!
[11:34] <scheuri> theskyrider: welcome
[11:34] <n3storm> :D
[11:34] <jende_> momal: man fsck or man fs2ck
[11:34] <xsacha> momal: filesystem check?
[11:34] <momal> arr thats the one thanks :)0
[11:34] <theskyrider> once I get all of this figured out, I'm going to take the XP off this thing
[11:34] <jende_> momal: read the manpages before you're using fsck!
[11:35] <xsacha> sacha@noob $  > fsck /dev/hda1                      Device is mounted. Unmounting and writing zeros to it to teach you a lesson.
[11:35] <alexicon> heh
[11:35] <snovvy> i got kubuntu for 3 days and i break it :]
[11:36] <n3storm> theskyrider: don't name the evil in this channel XDDD
[11:36] <nino> lol
[11:36] <jende_> xsacha: thats why I told him to read manpages ;-)
[11:36] <theskyrider> n3storm: how about if I just call it - the other OS
[11:36] <alexicon> whats 6.06 called?
[11:36] <xsacha> F*CK! :(
[11:37] <xsacha> alexicon: dapper
[11:37] <jende_> alexicon: dapper drake
[11:37] <alexicon> kk
[11:37] <n3storm> XDD
[11:38] <snovvy> today we got zombie day :]
[11:39] <Mike2k6> xchat is exactly like konversation...
[11:40] <snovvy> i don't have sound, i can end apt-get update, i got old PC but i still Love [K] Ubuntu :)
[11:40] <n3storm> Mike2k6: surprised?
[11:40] <Mike2k6> n3storm, well im used to mIRC
[11:41] <nebur> alguien sabe cmo entrar al irc-hispano?
[11:43] <Mike2k6> id like to create my own mud, so i guess im going to need a programming application, i got very basic knowlege of programming languages, any recomended applications?
[11:43] <MidMark> hi, where are stored info about screensaver? I've screensaver broken in edgy
[11:43] <xsacha> Mike2k6: that's not that hard, only need to deal with console :) c++?
[11:43] <xsacha> socks?
[11:44] <Mike2k6> i took a js2e class in highschool, it introduced us to for and while loops etc.
[11:44] <Mike2k6> well not saying i know exactly how to make a mud right now, but if i were to go that route, i need somewhere to start ya know?
[11:44] <momal> speaking of screensaver any ideas to why when i run the lock session the screen saver doesn't appear and when i move my mouse the unlock screen then pops up but no sccreen saver :(... but screen saver runs when i click test in its settings
[11:45] <xsacha> yep yep, might want to take a c/c++ tutorial and socks tutorial :) but that would just be my preference, some people wouldnt recommended c straight off
[11:45] <alexicon> where is update-manager meant to be?
[11:45] <MidMark> momal: I've also issues with screensaver
[11:45] <MidMark> it doesn't appears also after x minutes
[11:45] <MidMark> preview is ok
[11:45] <alexicon> which update-manager someone
[11:45] <snovvy>         (__)
[11:45] <snovvy>          (oo)
[11:45] <snovvy>    /------\/
[11:45] <snovvy>   / |    ||
[11:45] <snovvy>  *  /\---/\
[11:45] <snovvy>     ~~   ~~
[11:45] <snovvy> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[11:46] <xsacha> nup
[11:46] <Mike2k6> is c++ done souly through the console?
[11:46] <nino> mooo
[11:46] <Mike2k6> i mean im looking for an app with pretty colors lol
[11:46] <xsacha> can use colours in console :) but c++ will do anything
[11:46] <momal> MidMark: strange i just checked it on the time thingo and waited the time and it didn't work either : O
[11:46] <Mike2k6> ok searching for mp3's on torrent spy seems to be a waste of time
[11:47] <MidMark> momal: I think it is an update issue, I had kde from 3.5.2 to 3.5.5
[11:47] <xsacha> i find gnutella/... networks best for small files
[11:47] <MidMark> and 3.5.3 was broken I think
[11:47] <kaflan> hi. i install kubuntu its greate after SUSE. I like it! But how can i know defaul root password?
[11:47] <momal> yea.. you running edgy?
[11:47] <Mike2k6> xsacha, of course you do, remember helping me with frostwire for 2 hours last night?
[11:47] <MidMark> momal: yep
[11:47] <kaflan> y
[11:47] <jende_> kaflan: we don't have a real root
[11:47] <xsacha> kaflan: this distro encourages using sudo
[11:47] <xsacha> well, kdesu for gui apps
[11:47] <kaflan> omg!?!
[11:48] <kaflan> hmm
[11:48] <Mike2k6> frostwire wont connect :-\
[11:48] <xsacha> :S
[11:48] <kaflan> but why not normal security system?
[11:48] <MidMark> people: screensaver works for you?
[11:48] <jende_> kaflan: he?
[11:48] <amayera> hi
[11:49] <kaflan> maybe i shoud install ubuntu to have normal security system?
[11:49] <snovvy> hello
[11:49] <jende_> kaflan: what are you talking about?
[11:49] <xsacha> kaflan: this is the same as ubuntu
[11:49] <xsacha> except with KDE
[11:49] <MidMark> kaflan: no root password doesn't means minor security
[11:49] <jende_> kaflan: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distros, just a different DM
[11:49] <houssem> hello
[11:49] <alexicon> MidMark: yes, which screensaver are you using
[11:49] <MidMark> alexicon: kde screensaver, but nothing appears :(
[11:50] <amayera> I am using the latest kubuntu edgy. when I send my system into suspend2ram and it wakes up sometimes the mouse does just blink but not work (optical mouse). dmesg says that it is being disconnected and connected all the time.
[11:50] <jende_> kaflan: but if you want/need a 'su' you can create one
[11:50] <amayera> what can I do?
[11:50] <alexicon> try installing xscreensaver or electricsheep or something
[11:50] <kaflan> hmm, but all users can have root privilages?
[11:50] <alexicon> electricsheep++
[11:50] <houssem> when i type "./configure" to install cheops i get this message "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."
[11:50] <alexicon> they should all be configuratble from kcontrol
[11:50] <xsacha> kaflan: the users are in sudoers list, effectively giving them root privileges
[11:50] <MidMark> kaflan: you can be in admin group, but to operate as admin you have to provide your password
[11:50] <xsacha> you need to type in password to sudo though
[11:51] <snovvy> amayera: I can't help you :) I am newbie @ ubuntu topic ... btw in linux too :]
[11:51] <MidMark> that it is stored with admin priviledges
[11:51] <MidMark> it's not like winxp, it's like macos I think
[11:51] <amayera> I already thought my mouse was ready for being dumped, but it works just fine as long as it doesn't come out of suspend2ram.
[11:51] <MidMark> alexicon: the fact is I prefer kde's screensavers
[11:51] <jende_> kaflan: sudo passwd root
[11:52] <kaflan> so, i can create normal user, and than my default user (thats create by installer) and use his password like administrator?
[11:52] <jende_> kaflan: and you'll have a root acct
[11:52] <amayera> could it be that the usbcore module or something is fscked?
[11:52] <kaflan> wow
[11:52] <houssem> please any one can help me ???
[11:52] <arschkind> hallo you funny people
[11:52] <xsacha> lol@kaflan
[11:52] <MidMark> kaflan: sudo is better than root, more confortable and less painful and with the same strength
[11:52] <arschkind> can you tell what I have to do to play mp3s on my kubuntu??
[11:52] <MidMark> no need for root
[11:53] <jende_> kaflan: read   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo   esp the part Benefits
[11:53] <houssem> when i type "./configure" to install cheops i get this message "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."
[11:53] <kaflan> thx all, going to rtfm...
[11:53] <xsacha> houssem: this is a win32 program?
[11:53] <snovvy> try to  sudo apt-get gcc
[11:53] <houssem> xsacha: no it's cheops a linux program
[11:53] <jende_> snovvy: ...get install...
[11:54] <snovvy> yes :)
[11:54] <snovvy> :P
[11:54] <snovvy> my bad
[11:54] <xsacha> that error should come form compiling win32 binary :S
[11:54] <Mr_Pan> buongiorno
[11:55] <houssem> xsacha: so ???
[11:55] <sloef> Ho guys ... how do I get amarok to play on my sb Live? (when I use mpg321, it works, amarok just 'skips' the files)
[11:55] <sloef> I have amarok + xine engine (alsa)
[11:55] <ccherrett> anyone know how to install mplayerplugin through apt-get?
[11:55] <jende_> houssem: why do you have to run ./configure?cheops should be in the repos
[11:56] <houssem> jende_: no i didn't find it in the repos
[11:56] <jende_> houssem: Filename: pool/universe/c/cheops/cheops_0.61-14_i386.deb
[11:56] <houssem> jende_: how can i use this link please ?
[11:56] <jende_> houssem:
[11:56] <jende_> Cheops is no longer being developed, however, cheops-ng offers similar
[11:56] <jende_>  functionality and is actively maintained.
[11:57] <xsacha> it's in universe
[11:57] <houssem> jende_: yes yes i have cheops-ng
[11:58] <jende_> houssem: Filename: pool/universe/c/cheops-ng/cheops-ng_0.2.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:58] <alexicon> maybe edgy will fix my glx issues..
[11:58] <jende_> houssem: you may want to modify your sources.list to get the cheops
[11:58] <scheuri> houssem: you need to add the repository "universe" to your sources...either manually or using adept/synaptic
[11:58] <houssem> jende_: i have to add this line to my sources.list ???
[11:59] <xsacha> :S add universe
[11:59] <jende_> houssem: no, just enable the line *UNIVERSE*
[11:59] <jende_> houssem: in your sources.list
[11:59] <houssem> jende_: ah ok, i will test it
[11:59] <houssem> thanks
[11:59] <jende_> houssem: you also need the vncviewer
[11:59] <houssem> jende_: vncviewer ? for what ?
[11:59] <alexicon> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[12:00] <jende_> houssem: type in a console apt-cache show cheops-ng
[12:00] <jende_> houssem: it'll tell you
[12:01] <Mike2k6> Anyone here use FrostWire?
[12:01] <jende_> nope
[12:02] <sloef> Is the upgrade from dapper to edgy smooth?
[12:02] <jende_> sloef: yep
[12:02] <Mike2k6> upgrade from winxp pro sp2 to edgy is pretty smoothe lol
[12:02] <xsacha> lol
[12:02] <alexicon> my update-manger doesnt work
[12:02] <Lynoure> sloef: depends who you ask....
[12:02] <sloef> jende_: I heared there were some problems with ubuntu ...
[12:03] <jende_> sloef: sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <Mike2k6> xsacha, how do you view what ports you have open? That way i can manually direct frostwire to it.
[12:03] <jende_> sloef: errr...not as far as I have heard, anyway this is the kubuntu channell
[12:03] <xsacha> Mike2k6: you have a router, right?
[12:03] <Mike2k6> xsacha, why yes, yes i do!
[12:03] <alexicon> is there a program to just change the gtk theme when you havent got gnome installed
[12:03] <xsacha> well try: <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever your router is
[12:04] <sloef> jende_: I have kubuntu :)
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: then you have to make a sudo apt-get update
[12:04] <Mike2k6> xsacha, im in there
[12:04] <xsacha> find section for ports, i dont know what yours looks like
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: after that do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:04] <xsacha> mighr be called Firewall
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: and the upgrade is done
[12:04] <Mike2k6> xsacha, all i have is port forwarding which did not work.
[12:04] <xsacha> yes, it is port forwarding..
[12:04] <szymon_> siemano
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: hope that's smooth enough; 3 lines
[12:05] <Lynoure> It's the aftermath many have trouble with
[12:05] <xsacha> if port forwarding doesnt work, it's not your ports that are the problem :)
[12:05] <Mike2k6> xsacha, well what else could it be?
[12:05] <sloef> jende_: Unable to find expected entry  -updates/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[12:05] <xsacha> dont know
[12:05] <jende_> sloef: pastebin your sources.list
[12:05] <jende_> !paste
[12:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:06] <jende_> sloef: you ran all the three lines I posted in here?
[12:06] <sloef> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29699/
[12:07] <sloef> jende_: I got the problems when I ran the apt-get update
[12:08] <sloef> jende_: What I find strange is the -security and -update in my sources.list
[12:09] <sloef> jende_: I've never noticed that in debian ...
[12:09] <jende_> sloef: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/   read my comment at the end of the file
[12:10] <jende_> sloef: the repo management is a bit different to debian, thats true. But its not a big thing, though
[12:10] <Lynoure> sloef: at least on #ubuntu quite many people seem to have some problems and many recommend doing clean install instead of an upgrade.
[12:10] <Lynoure> sloef: I just recommend keeping a livecd handy and possibly doing backups first
[12:11] <jende_> Lynoure: we had a release party here in hannover and I upgraded quite a few Kubuntus that way, as like as my boxes and none of them had any probs at all
[12:11] <Lynoure> But I have not upgraded to edgy, just general things.
[12:11] <alexicon> extracting '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz'
[12:11] <alexicon> authenticate '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz.gpg'
[12:12] <alexicon> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[12:12] <Lynoure> jende_: I might wish to borrow your luck at some point :)
[12:12] <alexicon> thats what happens when i try the edgy update through update-manager
[12:12] <sloef> did you reply? (I'm having some difficulties with my wireless connection)
[12:12] <jende_> Lynoure: why? I mean thats basically how all my upgrades run
[12:13] <jende_> sloef: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/   read my comment at the end of the file
[12:14] <jende_> alexicon: do that:
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: then you have to make a sudo apt-get update
[12:14] <alexicon> ok
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: after that do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: and the upgrade is done
[12:14] <jende_> alexicon: make sure that your sources looks equal to sloef's sources
[12:15] <jende_> alexicon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/
[12:15] <alexicon> ok
[12:15] <jende_> sloef: did yoou have a look at the sources, I modified for you?
[12:16] <alexicon> jende_: is it just two new repos
[12:16] <alexicon> 4 rather
[12:16] <jende_> alexicon: yep
[12:16] <alexicon> basically all the stuff with edgy mentioend
[12:16] <jende_> alexicon: exactly
[12:16] <alexicon> do i comment out the old ones
[12:16] <alexicon> that point to dapper
[12:16] <jende_> I'd rather say so
[12:17] <alexicon> righto hence the sed
[12:17] <alexicon> cheers
[12:17] <jende_> alexicon: no worries
[12:18] <jende_> sloef: alexicon: if you guys are working with OOo rather than with  KOffice you will have to add later on 2 more lines to your sources to get some major bugs fixed
[12:18] <alexicon> ok cheers
[12:19] <Mike2k6> anyone know a good c++ code application?
[12:19] <alexicon> kdevelop?
[12:19] <xsacha> g++ :)
[12:19] <alexicon> or eclipse
[12:19] <Mike2k6> so sudo apt-get eclipse?
[12:19] <alexicon> yeah
[12:19] <jende_> Mike2k6: apt-get install
[12:20] <Mike2k6> which one is more newbie friendly>?
[12:20] <Mike2k6> jende_, oh ya thanks lol
[12:20] <jende_> Mike2k6: kdevelop
[12:20] <xsacha> kdevelop is best noob friendly :P
[12:20] <Mike2k6> okies thanks!
[12:20] <alexicon> kdevelop is really nice
[12:20] <BuFF> how to view 'my computer' and other icons on desktop ?
[12:20] <xsacha> qtdesigner nice too, if you're designing qt apps
[12:21] <xsacha> my computer?
[12:21] <BuFF> yes and trash bin too
[12:21] <Mike2k6> BuFF, The closest thing to 'My Computer' Would be the 'System Menu'
[12:21] <xsacha> on the desktop... Create New->Link to Location
[12:21] <kaflan> does any1 texteditor (not wordproccessor) comes with default kubuntu install?
[12:22] <alexicon> click the desktop and create a lik to a device
[12:22] <Bubba_Gump> kate
[12:22] <kaflan> thx
[12:22] <alexicon> link*
[12:22] <BuFF> thanks
[12:22] <Mike2k6> kate and gedit?
[12:22] <kaflan> no gedit!
[12:22] <alexicon> kate++
[12:22] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:22] <kaflan> i cant found it
[12:22] <xsacha> you shouldnt have gedit
[12:22] <Mike2k6> eff gedit
[12:22] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:22] <alexicon> kwrite
[12:22] <kaflan> i cant found gedit
[12:22] <Bubba_Gump> kate is sexy :P
[12:22] <alexicon> but kate is brilliant
[12:22] <jende_> alexicon: check the link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html
[12:22] <alexicon> install gedit if you really want kaflan
[12:22] <xsacha> kaflan: you shouldnt have gedit lol
[12:22] <kaflan> no thx )
[12:22] <alexicon> thanks jende_
[12:25] <Mike2k6> ok frostwire just connected for no reason lol, yey!
[12:25] <Mike2k6> and then it freezes!
[12:26] <nino> lol guest what im still doing??
[12:26] <Mike2k6> nino, looking at porn?
[12:26] <nino> grinding away at making frostwire work :)
[12:27] <nino> where did you install your java sun from?
[12:27] <xsacha> sun-java5-jre he installed (from multiverse)
[12:28] <Lynoure> jende_: Have you done upgrades from the cd as well (apt-cdrom)? Those went well as well?
[12:28] <nino> sweet thx!!
[12:28] <jende_> Lynoure: nope
[12:28] <Mike2k6> nino, yeah what xsa said
[12:28] <xsacha> btw Mike2k6, xs <tab key> :)
[12:28] <jende_> Lynoure: nope; means I haven't used the CD
[12:28] <Mike2k6> xsacha, never!
[12:28] <Lynoure> jende_: ok, thanks
[12:29] <Mike2k6> im on xchat now n e ways :-p
[12:29] <xsacha> it doesnt work on xchat? ^o)
[12:29] <Mike2k6> yeah it does, but it puts a comma instead of a colon
[12:29] <xsacha> yeah
[12:29] <Mike2k6> i used to write irc scripts like 6 years ago
[12:30] <Mike2k6> i dont remember even the slightest thing now.
[12:31] <nino> dont have multiverse in my repositories!!!
[12:31] <Mike2k6> nino, add it!
[12:31] <jende_> nino: add it
[12:31] <xsacha> nino: check if you have sun-java5-jre
[12:32] <nino> nope
[12:32] <xsacha> ok
[12:32] <jende_> !sun-java5-jre
[12:32] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[12:32] <xsacha> enable that multiverse one in sources.list, it has it
[12:32] <nino> nope it does not
[12:32] <houssem> please how to activate the "ls -l" ??
[12:33] <jende_> nino: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <scheuri> houssem: by using the CLI (command line interface) which looks like DOS but is not...:)
[12:33] <nino> hold on
[12:33] <xsacha> im using default sources.list from an amd64 install and only adds repo for wine and beryl :P
[12:33] <xsacha> just enabled everything on default though
[12:33] <jende_> nino: then add to the universe lines the repo multiverse
[12:33] <houssem> scheuri: no there is a line to uncomment in a config file
[12:33] <jende_> nino: in addition to that you have to enable the repos by deleting the hashes <-#
[12:34] <houssem> scheuri: can you give the name of the file ?
[12:34] <scheuri> houssem: ah, sorry...."ls -l" is actually a command
[12:34] <scheuri> houssem: well, there are dozens of config files...which one you mean?
[12:34] <scheuri> houssem: "ls -l" is actually a command to list all files in a directory (using CLI)
[12:34] <houssem> scheuri: i don't know but the command is "ll"
[12:34] <houssem> (sorry)
[12:35] <SHRIKEE> question question :)
[12:35] <kaflan> does with edgy comes console text editor by default?
[12:35] <scheuri> houssem: "ll" is also a command to list all files in a directory...
[12:35] <SHRIKEE> Im trying to get kvpnc to work
[12:35] <xsacha> lol yes kaflan
[12:35] <xsacha> try kate
[12:35] <scheuri> kaflan: yes...vi(m) for example
[12:35] <jende_> kaflan: for sure *lol*
[12:35] <houssem> scheuri: yes but when i type it it's not reconized by my system
[12:35] <SHRIKEE> any vpn gurus here?
[12:35] <scheuri> houssem: where to you type it in?
[12:35] <Mike2k6> ok heres a good question
[12:35] <kaflan> lol, kate is not console editor
[12:35] <Mr_Pan> i have a problem with upgrade to 6.10. apt give me an error code (1) processing xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6 . any suggestions?
[12:36] <houssem> scheuri: in my console
[12:36] <oceanis> how to install games on kubuntu dapper from cd
[12:36] <oceanis> ??????
[12:36] <xsacha> vim then kaflan
[12:36] <Cyron> Try nano if you want a console based text editor that doesn't require you to learn another language to use :)
[12:36] <scheuri> houssem: but "ls -l" is recognised, right?
[12:36] <houssem> scheuri: yes of coursse
[12:36] <Mike2k6> i have a soundcard, however i also have a motherboard with built in audio, how do i disable the motherboard audio to make the sound card the primary, its wierd, some apps will play to the onboard and some to the sound card
[12:36] <scheuri> Cyron: you are sarcastic here...:)
[12:36] <kaflan> vim is for experts only :) i dont know how to work with them, i need some easy editor
[12:36] <jende_> brb...having lunch, now
[12:36] <nagyv> oceanis: did you searched adept? is the game you are looking for available there?
[12:36] <xsacha> kaflan: nano
[12:36] <houssem> Mike2k6: look in your BIOS
[12:36] <jende_> kaflan: there are man pages
[12:36] <Mike2k6> houssem, never!
[12:36] <jende_> kaflan: read them and they'll tell you heaps
[12:36] <Cyron> Never :)
[12:37] <oceanis> ?
[12:37] <houssem> Mike2k6: why ?
[12:37] <Mike2k6> houssem, bios = evil
[12:37] <nagyv> oceanis: why ?
[12:37] <scheuri> Mike2k6: well...how disabling on board sound in your BIOS? it is worth a try
[12:37] <kaflan> i try to read them, but vim is to hard editor, i dont want to spen lot of time in practice to use hotkeys
[12:37] <houssem> please anyone can tell me how to activate the option "ll" ???
[12:37] <jende_> kaflan: man vi
[12:37] <Mike2k6> scheuri, agreed
[12:37] <drowstar> hey! anybody here installed kubuntu and tried running gnome? i have a problem with gtk2-themes looking all weird and stuff ;) ie they don't seem to work at all, buttons a solid grey squares for example
[12:37] <xsacha> houssem: what is "ll" meant to do?
[12:37] <kaflan> nano rullez, vi md ;)
[12:37] <houssem> Mike2k6: oooh!! you have a very bad idea on the bios
[12:38] <oceanis> i want some to play :) when im compiling
[12:38] <houssem> xsacha: ll = ls -l
[12:38] <scheuri> aaaaaaaaahhh
[12:38] <Mike2k6> houssem, im kidding, i like my bios, very simple
[12:38] <houssem> it's a shourtcat
[12:38] <xsacha> oh an alias for it?
[12:38] <houssem> xsacha: yes exactely
[12:38] <scheuri> ll is an alias for ls -l...well then..
[12:38] <scheuri> :)
[12:38] <oceanis> how to install games on kubuntu dapper from cd
[12:38] <Mr_Pan> i have a problem with upgrade to 6.10. apt give me an error code (1) processing xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6 . any idea
[12:39] <xsacha> well, if you create the alias, then it will be recognised :)
[12:39] <nagyv> oceanis: which game do you want to install? did you already installed dapper?
[12:39] <oceanis> yes
[12:39] <oceanis> i installed dapper
[12:39] <oceanis> and if there is any game pack that installs 5 or 6 games it will be cool but remeber i want to install them from the cd if they got it
[12:40] <Mez> oceanis, not too sure but the package you should look for is kdegames
[12:40] <adam_> hi
[12:40] <nagyv> oceanis: I don't know the content of the cd, but try to search for "kdegames" in adept (the package manager)
[12:40] <Cyron> Hi adam_
[12:41] <scheuri> oceanis: if you have not disabled your CD-ROM as repository in sources.list then it will ask you about your CD anyway if you install new stuff (if it was on CD anyway=
[12:41] <adam_PL> how can i connect to quake.net ?
[12:43] <drowstar> I have installed ubuntu-desktop on a fresh Kubuntu edgy installation and gtk2-themes don't work (I get solid grey squares instead of buttons for example). any hints?
[12:44] <nagyv> drowstar: try #ubuntu
[12:44] <kaflan> how to make kdesu prompt for root password instead of the password of the invoking user? (i totally do sudo passwd root, and patch /etc/sudoers with rootpw argument).
[12:44] <xsacha> there is no root password kaflan
[12:44] <buschdieb> hi
[12:44] <xsacha> unless you made one?
[12:44] <buschdieb> hello
[12:45] <kaflan> i made it
[12:45] <kaflan> read my post more carefully
[12:45] <drowstar> nagyv: will do. thought kubuntu would be apropriate as that's obviously not a problem people that would show up on a clean ubuntu install. thanks though
[12:45] <buschdieb> i am a new ubuntu user.. i want to start firefox2 how?
[12:45] <buschdieb> please help me
[12:46] <Cyron> buschdieb: Press alt-f2, then type in firefox
[12:47] <buschdieb> ?
[12:47] <Cyron> That's how you run firefox
[12:48] <Cyron> Or were you wanting to install it?
[12:48] <xsacha> sudo apt-get install firefox && firefox :D
[12:48] <buschdieb> its the command line... my fire fox is unpacked
[12:48] <buschdieb> firefox
[12:48] <buschdieb> 2
[12:49] <eilker> people, i cant login with mu username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem any idea?
[12:49] <nino> note : Adding multiverse to those universe lines worked!!! Installing java!!! ;)
[12:49] <Cyron> Unpacked?  You downloaded it from somewhere?
[12:49] <eilker> people, i cant login with my username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem any idea?
[12:49] <Cyron> You don't need to do that
[12:49] <nagyv> actually I am using swiftfox (a CPU-optimized build of firefox), is it safe to upgrade the 1.5.6 version to version 2.0?
[12:49] <Cyron> Just use sudo aptitude install firefox
[12:49] <Mike2k6> night all
[12:49] <nino> peace
[12:50] <vincent_> Hi everyone
[12:50] <jel> swiftfox.   Hmmm.... oiledweasel? ;)
[12:50] <jel> hi vincent_
[12:50] <nino> hello
[12:50] <vincent_> I suppose #kubuntu is a channel about my new OS ? :)
[12:51] <nino> uhu
[12:51] <vincent_> Will I find some help here ?
[12:51] <nino> uhu
[12:51] <xsacha> !ask | vincent
[12:51] <ubotu> vincent: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:51] <Cyron> Depends how hard your questions are vincent :)
[12:52] <jende_> nino: have you made it and succeeded?
[12:52] <eilker> xsacha:  i cant login with my username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem, do u have any idea for this?
[12:52] <jel> eilker: maybe you have capslock on in the X login screen (it's independent from the console screen's key settings).  Or... did you actually click in the box?  If it still doesn't work... what you  mean, by "can't log in"?
[12:52] <vincent_> but I have tons of questions :p But ok ok, here is my first one
[12:52] <houssem> anynone have tryed amule ???
[12:52] <nino> nope
[12:52] <jel> houssem: yep
[12:52] <eilker> jel: it doesnt accept my password
[12:52] <nagyv> jel: firefox started very sloowly, swiftfox is a bit better
[12:53] <vincent_> I have a prob to shutdown my computer. I uninstalled all the acpid and acpm stuffs, but it didn't solve the prob
[12:53] <houssem> jel: do you know the option that crypt the protocole ??
[12:53] <vincent_> I had a look on the config file where you find HALT=... and HALT=poweroff
[12:53] <eilker> jel: it keeps asking correct password, i added new user, same for it too
[12:53] <jel> nagyv: there's a bug in the c++ compiler which makes apps start slowly.  optimising won't help a lot.
[12:53] <jel> houssem: hmm... nope, never seen it :)
[12:53] <jel> houssem: why?
[12:54] <houssem> jel: this option exists in emule 0.47b but i haven't found it in amule :(
[12:54] <jel> nagyv: on the other hand, konqueror is very fast, and can be preloaded :)
[12:54] <vincent_> when I click on shutdown or reboot, everything close but the power remains on and I hear the fans in the computer ...
[12:54] <jel> houssem: ahh.
[12:55] <nagyv> jel: I was trying to stick with it, I was trying it so hard, but I miss some nifty extensions so much, that it was impossible
[12:55] <nino> mine says no poweroff fixup found your hardware found
[12:55] <jel> houssem: probably just a new thing that hasn't filtered through to other clients yet.  Or maybe the people who make the other clients think it's not really that useful, or that it doesn't work as advertised, or something.
[12:55] <jel> nagyv: :)
[12:55] <houssem> jel: it's the only soluton to download with emule when we have a provider that block the p2p
[12:55] <jel> your extensions will probably slow down loading a lot too.
[12:56] <jel> houssem: it's probably easier to set your client to use another port
[12:56] <houssem> jel: no it's not suffisent
[12:56] <jel> houssem: ahh, ok.  They're playing hardball :)
[12:57] <houssem> jel: yes :) lol
[12:57] <houssem> jel: they doesn't block ports but the protocole
[12:57] <jel> houssem: there is also xmule, and mldonkey...  one of those might support it.  amule is nicer, though :)
[12:57] <jel> houssem: giFT might also work?
[12:58] <houssem> jel: xmule ?? i don't know it
[12:58] <houssem> jel: there's a emule like ?
[12:58] <jel> houssem: similar to amule, but more ugly.  I'm not sure if it has more features, or less.  Never used it much.
[12:58] <scheuri> I just say "gtk-gnutella"...;)
[12:58] <jgomez_> hi
[12:58] <jel> xmule and mldonkey are both emule compatible, yes
[12:59] <jgomez_> just one quick question... how can I enable the root account in kubuntu?
[12:59] <jgomez_> of what is the default password for root?
[12:59] <houssem> jel: ok thanks for these informations i will try these clients
[12:59] <scheuri> jgomez_: the password for root is, easily spoken, disabled
[12:59] <jel> jgomez_: there is no default.  Instead, you use your same password to prove who YOU are, and then you're automatically allowed to be root.
[01:00] <jgomez_> but i would like doing su root
[01:00] <scheuri> jgomez_: it was generated at install time...and you dont know it...your user, however, has root-priviliges
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> !pastebin
[01:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:00] <scheuri> jgomez_: if you really wand to to so...then go to CLI and type "sudo passwd root"....
[01:00] <jel> jgomez_: then do sudo -s, and when you get a shell, add a root password using the passwd command.
[01:00] <jgomez_> scheuri: i have tried apt-get upgrade with my user and i cant
[01:01] <jgomez_> okey thansk
[01:01] <scheuri> jgomez_: well, you need to type "sudo" in front of a command that needs root proiviliges
[01:01] <jel> jgomez_: if you do sudo passwd root, remember that the first time it asks for a password, that's for YOUR password, to get root access.  Then, you enter a new root password
[01:01] <scheuri> jgomez_: but giving root a password...do at own risk
[01:02] <nagyv> !sudo
[01:02] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:02] <nagyv> jgomez_: ^^
[01:02] <jgomez_> thanks a lot
[01:02] <jel> anyone know if there are plans to move to a SSO config/directory service in ubuntu server?
[01:03] <jgomez_> it is strange but kubunto doesnt detect my video setting althoug it is an old one
[01:03] <jgomez_> i guess i should update
[01:05] <nagyv> jel: I would recommend to you to ask this question at #ubuntu, anyway that's closer to the core
[01:06] <jel> nagyv: good point, thanks
[01:08] <xsacha> anyone know what this means: QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image
[01:08] <xsacha> kwin tells me that, twice, when it starts
[01:08] <nino_> donno sorry
[01:11] <sloef> Hi guys ... had some difficulties with my wireless internet ... (I'm on wire now)
[01:12] <sloef> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29699/ ... can anyone see what is wrong with my sources.list? (I would like to upgrade to edgy)
[01:13] <sloef> http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release Unable to find expected entry  updates/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:13] <sloef> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release Unable to find expected entry  security/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:13] <momal> edgy -security <--
[01:13] <momal> take those spaces out
[01:13] <momal> should be like edgy-security
[01:14] <momal> same with the updates one... by the looks of it
[01:14] <sloef> momal: ok ... excellent ... thanks
[01:14] <momal> you were on dapper right?
[01:15] <sloef> momal: yes
[01:16] <momal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29711/ <-- that is my sources.list file... so if you still have problems try it :)
[01:17] <sloef> momal: thanks ... I'm upgrading right now (don't have sufficient diskspace for dist-upgrade atm)
[01:18] <houssem> jel: you are here ?
[01:18] <sloef> momal: do you often compile from source?
[01:18] <jel> houssem: just got back.
[01:18] <houssem> jel: i think that i found a better idea
[01:18] <jel> houssem: why for? :)
[01:19] <jel> houssem: ooh?
[01:19] <momal> not if there is a deb around for it i wont... but few things i have to
[01:19] <houssem> jel: i will use wine to run emule0.47 c on linux
[01:19] <jel> houssem: ahhh.  I thought the latest version was available for linux, but you just didn't want to use emule for some reason.  Yeah, that would work :)
[01:20] <houssem> jel: because there isn't any version of amule that support the protocole encryption
[01:20] <jel> houssem: or, rather, I suppose it work work, and if it does, it would solve your problem :)
[01:20] <houssem> jel: do you know how to activate the command "ll" ?
[01:21] <jel> houssem: the ls alternative?
[01:21] <houssem> jel: yes! ls -l
[01:21] <jel> houssem: it's in your .bashrc file if I recall correctly
[01:21] <jel> just uncomment
[01:21] <houssem> jel: where can i found it ?
[01:21] <jel> nano ~/.bashrc
[01:21] <jel> from a konsole :)
[01:22] <houssem> jel: ooh yeah! thanks you are the best ! :)
[01:22] <jel> houssem: welcome :)
[01:23] <SHRIKEE> !pastebin
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[01:23] <SHRIKEE> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29713/
[01:23] <SHRIKEE> what does that mean?
[01:28] <jel> SHRIKEE: X has its own authorisation system which decides who can open windows on the screen.  If you can't, it usually means that you've switch to another user account, and your authorisation hasn't been transferred with you.  Are you using su by any chance?
[01:28] <SHRIKEE> i ran, sudo kvpnc
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> if i just click it in the menu it doesnt show at all, so i tried from the console and got that
[01:29] <jel> SHRIKEE: from an xtrminal like konsole, right?
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> konsole yes
[01:29] <nino_> how do i test if java is working??
[01:29] <jel> nino_: run a java program :)   java -v is a good start though :)
[01:30] <nino_> ok thx
[01:31] <jel> SHRIKEE: gimme a sec :)
[01:32] <SHRIKEE> kk
[01:36] <jel> SHRIKEE: ohh, it still runs right?   that's normal, when you run stuff as root.  I guess it's the KDE app trying to register itself with your kde session and stuff, but since it's not "you" running it, kde won't allow the registration
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> hmm
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> it starts yes
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> but not from the k-menu
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> it just does nothing when i click it in the k-menu
[01:38] <houssem> jel: i have another probleme :)
[01:38] <yuma> hi!
[01:38] <yuma> anyone is having trouble running OpenGL aplications?
[01:39] <yuma> like, Illegal Instruction when going fullscreen and so?
[01:39] <SHRIKEE> didnt notice such, yuma
[01:39] <SHRIKEE> but im not using to much opengl
[01:39] <jel> SHRIKEE: if you right click on the menu, you can see what commands it runs.  Try that same command from a konsole
[01:39] <houssem> i tried to lunch emule with wine and i have this message "Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly."
[01:40] <yuma> hmm, I had some programs that used to work and now it doesn't and I didn't changed a thing in the code...
[01:40] <jel> yuma: nope.  Illegal instruction suggests that the app/game you're trying to run is compiled for a different cpu, like an athlon/pentium4
[01:40] <SHRIKEE> jel: sudo -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc
[01:40] <yuma> houssem: DISPLAY=:0 wine whatever
[01:40] <yuma> jel: Impossible, it's compiled by me in the same computer
[01:40] <SHRIKEE> tells me -X is illegal
[01:40] <houssem> yuma: i don't understand :(
[01:41] <jel> SHRIKEE: yep, doesn't work with my version of sudo either.  Remove the -X, and it should work
[01:41] <yuma> houssem: Put 'DISPLAY=:0' before the command you use to run emule
[01:41] <SHRIKEE> it then tells me -c is illegal :o
[01:41] <SHRIKEE> remove that too?
[01:41] <jel> yep :)
[01:41] <fdoving> SHRIKEE: run 'xhost local:' first (without sudo). then try again.
[01:42] <snikker> cat work also with binary files?
[01:42] <jel> fdoving: no, it works, it's just the command that's wrong.
[01:42] <houssem> yuma: i type DISPLAY=:0 in my console ??
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> sudo /usr/bin/kvpnc
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> works
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> shrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ xhost local
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> local being added to access control list
[01:42] <fdoving> SHRIKEE: you left out the : at the end.
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> :(
[01:43] <fdoving> SHRIKEE: 'xhost -local' and then 'xhost local:'
[01:43] <jel> SHRIKEE: I'd guess it was originally made for a debian or other system, which uses root, and su rather than sudo, and then they just changed su to sudo, without changing the args
[01:43] <yuma> houssem: Yes, put "DISPLAY=:0 wine emule" for example, without the "
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> shrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ xhost local:
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> non-network local connections being added to access cont
[01:43] <jel> I think xhost local: is a security risk.
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> how is it?
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> what does it do :o
[01:43] <fdoving> allows all local users to connect to your X session.
[01:44] <jel> I don't know the command well, but... doesn't it let anyone on localhost use X?
[01:44] <jel> yeah.
[01:44] <houssem> yuma: don't work! i have the error message
[01:44] <jel> that's not good :)
[01:44] <fdoving> basically allows other users on your machine to show their programs to you.
[01:44] <jel> or anyone with any account on your machine to access your screen, and everything you type/see
[01:44] <yuma> houssem: Why don't you use a native linux emule client?
[01:45] <SHRIKEE> hmm, there are no other users on this computer
[01:45] <SHRIKEE> its a laptop :p
[01:45] <fdoving> exactly.
[01:45] <yuma> SHRIKEE: maybe "nobody" can log your keyboard
[01:45] <fdoving> then it's not a problem.
[01:45] <jel> SHRIKEE: there are.  There are special accounts for background services etc.  Quite a few of them.  If any part of your system is hacked, then they can get into your screen next
[01:45] <SHRIKEE> ahh ok
[01:45] <fdoving> jel: nonsense.
[01:45] <jel> SHRIKEE: the normal security setup is there for a reason.
[01:46] <jel> fdoving: no it's not.  I'm qualified in security, are you?
[01:46] <MidMark> hi again
[01:46] <SHRIKEE> so is local: a risk or not
[01:46] <MidMark> I've problem with k3b!
[01:46] <SHRIKEE> keep or remove?
[01:46] <MidMark> it doesn't close session...
[01:46] <MidMark> anyone else?
[01:46] <jel> MidMark: there's a setting in the prefs for that.
[01:46] <fdoving> jel: if the computer is hacked it's hacked. the badguy can do worse things than accessing your X screen.
[01:46] <jel> fdoving: wrong.
[01:46] <SHRIKEE> ...
[01:47] <jel> fdoving: maybe on a windows 95 pc, that's true, not on any reasonably secure multi-user system
[01:47] <yuma> this is getting interesting
[01:47] <MidMark> jel: do you mean when burning?
[01:48] <jel> fdoving: now, if it's ROOTED, they can do anything, but that's a different class of hack, and usually the result of a simpler hack
[01:48] <sloef> Am I still connected?
[01:48] <jende_> sloef: yep
[01:48] <jel> MidMark: If you right click on the root of the disk you're creating, it might be in tehre.
[01:48] <jel> there.
[01:49] <jel> MidMark: ie, right-click, choose properties, then go through the tabs, and look for something like "close session" or "finalise session".
[01:49] <sloef> jende_: k ... Konqueror doesn't work anymore during the upgrade ...
[01:49] <sloef> Thought konversation would have the same faith
[01:49] <MidMark> jel: in the write option there is incremental, dao, auto
[01:50] <MidMark> and overwrite... choose auto
[01:50] <xunix_> help.. can i change my desktop resolution?
[01:51] <exhale> um. yea?
[01:51] <jel> xunix_: yes, just go into the system settings, and it's available under display
[01:52] <jel> xunix: unless you have a very unusual or poorly supported graphics card
[01:52] <yuma> could anyone try a program just to check if going fullscreen works?
[01:53] <xunix> jel: yup.. ty..
[01:53] <yuma> I give the code (or binary if you trust)
[01:53] <jel> MidMark: it's under the "Settings" tab, in a combo box.
[01:53] <jende_> sloef: since or during?
[01:54] <ubuntu> Sie hi
[01:54] <ubuntu> main kapitane
[01:54] <jel> xunix: welcome :)
[01:54] <ubuntu> ich bin gitler
[01:54] <sloef> jende_: during ... but also since (although I did an apt-get upgrade since I didn't have sufficient diskspace for dist-upgrade)
[01:54] <MidMark> jel: so I've done with start new session
[01:54] <ubuntu> ich komme aus Deutschland
[01:54] <MidMark> but it doesn't close
[01:54] <ubuntu> ich bin fucking your fucking chat
[01:55] <ubuntu> motherfuckers
[01:55] <ubuntu> idiots
[01:55] <exhale> ...
[01:55] <ubuntu> h1
[01:55] <exhale> i hate trolls
[01:55] <ubuntu> sorry
[01:55] <jende_> sloef: you have to make a dist-upgrade, otherwise your system will be more than just unstable
[01:55] <sloef> jende_: working on that as we speak ... as I said ... didn't have sufficient diskspace to do a dist-upgrade from the start
[01:55] <jende_> sloef: no wonder konqueror is not working
[01:56] <jende_> sloef: as long as you havent made a dist-upgrade konqi wont work
[01:56] <MidMark> jel: there isn't close session, there are: start new session, continue, close disc, no session...
[01:57] <sloef> jende_: give me 6 more minutes to download ...
[01:57] <MidMark> if I put star new session should be close or not?
[01:57] <sloef> :)
[01:57] <jende_> sloef: no worries
[01:57] <jel> MidMark: ohh, I was thinking you wanted close disc.   Sessions are always closed, but then continued... aren't they?
[01:58] <MidMark> jel: with dapper all ok, with edgy I've burned two dvd, one dvd-r and one dvd+rw and both have the first session non-closed, after added some data I can see both sessions
[01:58] <MidMark> this can let me think that first session were not closed and with the second one both are
[01:59] <harmental> does anybody know how to use ggz servers??
[02:00] <MidMark> fdoving: if you have priviledges change topic: s/Dapper/Esgy
[02:00] <MidMark> Edgy :)
[02:01] <MidMark> jel: have you tried some dvd with edgy?
[02:01] <MidMark> great!
[02:02] <fdoving> MidMark: thanks for the notice :)
[02:02] <jel> MidMark: hmm... maybe one of the options has changed in the programs that k3b calls or something.  You could check the manpages for them, and make sure k3b is using the right settings.  If it's a rare thing, then to close a session, you can just add any small file, and write it.
[02:02] <kimmern> Hey! I just installed Kubuntu edgy a couple of days ago..never used linux before..an usually 3-4 times a day the system just hangs! can't do anything! I've got a copy of a somekind of loop in the sys-log..pastebin doesn't work, I don't wanna flood the channel, so if anyone wants to take a look at it, if that can be the problem, please let me know! Thanks!
[02:02] <jel> MidMark: yes, but not a fresh edgy install... I've been following edgy's development for a while now.  Could be very slightly different.
[02:03] <MidMark> jel: I've a dapper updated edgy
[02:04] <MidMark> kimmern: !paste
[02:04] <jende_> kimmern: hmmm...pastebin should work, at least it worked just a few secs ago
[02:04] <MidMark> !paste
[02:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:05] <aweb> Hi all, ive been haveing a problem with the nvidia driver - http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10552.0 anyone got any ideas ?
[02:06] <kimmern> jende: waited five minutes, and nothing happends...
[02:07] <kimmern> jende: now firefox wanted me to save a pastebin.php file..can't open it in firefox..:S
[02:07] <fdoving> jel: if you don't want to allow all local connections you can use 'xhost +si:$(whoami):root' then the intruders would have to become you, or root to connect to the x-server. That's if you're paranoid.
[02:08] <jende_> kimmern: maybe you should have started with DapperDrake as that is the most stable (K)Ubuntu release.Eventhough I just cant really follow you
[02:09] <kimmern> ok, i found another place to paste..the thing is that I am connected wireless at eth1..http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232639
[02:09] <jel> fdoving: one man's paranoia is another man's necessary precaution.   I'll stick with the usual way.
[02:09] <kimmern> but in my sys log it constantly tries to connect to eth0..every minute almost..
[02:09] <fdoving> jel: the kubutu way would be to use 'kdesu' for X programs.
[02:10] <houssem> i have installed avifile-player but i don't how to execute it
[02:10] <jende_> kimmern: the way you're connected is not important for paste.ubuntu, however what tells you a 'sudo route'
[02:11] <jel> fdoving: that's a good point :)
[02:11] <jende_> kimmern: pastebin that as well pleasse and if possible your /etc/network/interfaces
[02:11] <jel> fdoving: I was checking with a command line, but for the menu thing, I should have told him to use kdesud
[02:12] <jel> *kdesu
[02:12] <kimmern> jende: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232647
[02:12] <fdoving> jel: as all x programs will require X, using kdesu shouldn't be a problem for most, and kdesu can be used from the commandline (you will have to input the password graphically though.)
[02:13] <houssem> i have installed avifile-player but i don't how to execute it
[02:13] <houssem> ????
[02:13] <jel> fdoving: sure, but for a command line, kdesu is unnecessarily slow.  I like guis as much as anyone, but I find kdesu from the prompt tedious
[02:14] <kimmern> jende: didn't see the last one..this is everyting you asked for:
[02:14] <kimmern> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232649
[02:14] <jel> houssem: aviplay, if I remember correctly.  A good way to find out such things is with dpkg -L avifile-player | grep bin
[02:15] <fdoving> jel: the command I gave you before was wrong, should be 'xhost +si:localuser:root' fyi.
[02:16] <jende_> kimmern: hmmm...can you manually connect to the WWW via eth0?
[02:16] <jel> fdoving: OK, thanks :)
[02:16] <jende_> kimmern: sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:17] <jende_> kimmern: sudo add default gw <ipofyourrouter>
[02:17] <jende_> kimmern: sudo route
[02:17] <houssem> jel: i have this error "aviplay: cannot connect to X server :0.0" when i lunch avifile
[02:17] <jende_> kimmern whats the output?
[02:17] <jel> fdoving: hmm... you can add kerberos users and stuff with xhost?  That's cool :)
[02:17] <fdoving> you can do everything x-acl-related with xhost.
[02:18] <jel> houssem: where are you running it from?
[02:18] <houssem> from the console
[02:18] <jel> fdoving: cool.  I figured it was just for machines.  That's good to know :)
[02:18] <kimmern> jende: no, I don't use eth0 at all...eth0 is wired network, and if I plug in a cabel it automaticly connects..but I only use wireless..the only output on the last one is add: command not found...you understood that I was only wondering why my system hangs all the time..if this could be the reason? that it always try to connect to eth0...?
[02:19] <jende_> kimmern: yep, that will/might be the reason
[02:19] <jel> houssem: that's strange.  Are you running it as root?
[02:20] <jende_> kimmern: so, you basically dont want to use the eth0 at all?
[02:20] <houssem> jel: i lunched it from x and it works !!
[02:20] <pointwood> what is the command in linux for the windows "ipconfig /renew" command and others? is there a linux network troubleshooting guide somewhere?
[02:20] <jel> houssem: good stuff :)
[02:21] <jel> pointwood: ifdown interface; ifup interface is the best way to reset a nic.   or /etc/init.d/network restart for everything.
[02:22] <jel> pointwood: the DIRECT way is dhclient interface, but that might not setup everything like the system normally would on boot
[02:22] <kimmern> jende: updated the pastebin: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232657 ..I want to have eth0 in case I have to use wired network, so I don't want to disable it..
[02:22] <jende_> kimmern: ???
[02:23] <kimmern> jende: maybe sudo ifconfig eth0 down ..? think that could work?
[02:24] <pointwood> jel: ok, the reason is that I currently have wimax connection and it is not exactly stable which means that I sometimes get an apipa address
[02:24] <jende_> kimmern: down the eth0
[02:24] <jel> pointwood: ahh.   Yeah ifdown followed by ifup would be simplest.
[02:25] <pointwood> I've used ifdown interface and ifup interface and also ifconfig interface down/up, but they don't always do the trick
[02:25] <kimmern> jende: i'll just try this and hope the system won't crash again..
[02:25] <pointwood> a reboot works though
[02:25] <jende_> kimmern and have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wlassistant/+bug/64841
[02:25] <pointwood> but I hate having to reboot just for that :)
[02:25] <jel> pointwood: you're probably seeing it work after boot because boots take longer, and the bad conditions have gone away by then.
[02:26] <pointwood> maybe
[02:26] <kimmern> jende: ok. many thanks for helping!
[02:26] <pointwood> this wimax connection is just temporary
[02:26] <jende_> kimmern: you're welcome...don't even know if I was of any good help
[02:26] <pointwood> I should get a new connection before christmas
[02:27] <jel> pointwood: a better (directional?) antenna or moving the access point closer might be a better solution
[02:27] <kimmern> jende: at least you tried :)
[02:27] <jel> pointwood: cool.
[02:27] <jende_> kimmern: *ggg*
[02:27] <jende_> see ya
[02:27] <pointwood> jel: fiber :)
[02:28] <jel> pointwood: sweet :D
[02:29] <pointwood> jel: you bet :D cheap 10/10mbit will be quite nice I think :)
[02:31] <Emess> mmm kaffeine still wont open :S
[02:31] <jel> pointwood: how cheap, and how far?
[02:32] <pointwood> around $63/month
[02:32] <pointwood> how far?
[02:32] <|lostbyte|> XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode ?
[02:32] <|lostbyte|> what is this ?
[02:32] <pointwood> what do you mean with that?
[02:33] <|lostbyte|> When i run xawtv, i get "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode"
[02:36] <|lostbyte|> !nvidia
[02:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:36] <psb154> xawtv -nodga I believe should work.
[02:36] <jel> kimmern: I'm just catching up with your problem now... you have a wireless card, and just want to stop eth0 trying to connect unless you actually need it?
[02:37] <jel> pointwood: I meant, how far is your isp from you?
[02:38] <kimmern> jel: excactly!
[02:38] <kimmern> jel: tried sudo ifconfig eth0 down, but it still tries to connect..
[02:39] <jel> kimmern: just edit /etc/network/interfaces, and remove the "auto eth0" line.    When you want it on, run sudo ifup eth0, and when you want it down, run sudo ifdown eth0
[02:39] <jel> kimmern: ermm... that's assuming that things haven't changed too much with edgy :)
[02:40] <pointwood> jel: it is the power company that's laying down fiber to everyone that wants it. They own the fiber and another company is providing the services (internet, tv, voip). several power companies have started laying down fiber all over the country (here in denmark). The old telecom monopoly is of course not happy about that :)
[02:40] <jel> pointwood: nice :)
[02:40] <snikker> i've update to edgy but in the boot screen i can't see the text lines, i can see only the kubuntu logo. why?
[02:40] <kimmern> jel: oki! hope this'll work!
[02:40] <jel> snikker: you're not supposed to, but if you remove usplash, that'll stop.
[02:41] <jel> snikker: you can still ctrl-alt-f1 to a console though
[02:41] <pointwood> jel: yeah, it certainly lowers the prices :) I could get 25/25mbit too, but it would cost me ~$30 more and I think I will be able to live with 10/10 for now :)
[02:41] <jel> kimmern: good luck :)
[02:41] <jel> pointwood: hehheh :)
[02:41] <jel> pointwood: that's a lot of downloads ;)
[02:41] <bianconeri> I get this error in audacity  "error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate" when clicking on the play button of an mp3....I am on a Kubuntu Edgy box
[02:42] <pointwood> 25/25 would just be bragging :p
[02:42] <jel> give the webservers a chance to catch up ;)
[02:42] <kimmern> jel: if you're still here in a couple of minutes i'll let you know what the syslog says!
[02:42] <pointwood> jel: compared to my current temp wimax connection of 160/128, it will be quite a change :)
[02:42] <jel> kimmern: that reminds me, I'm supposed to be going somewhere! :)
[02:43] <snikker> jel: but it's only a my problem or the developer havechanced it?
[02:43] <kimmern> jel: did't work that either..but thanks anyway:)
[02:43] <pointwood> I'm going to give the connection a nice burn in with some kubuntu and ubuntu torrents :p
[02:43] <jel> snikker: nope, it's the new, non-confusing boot screen for newbies :)
[02:43] <bianconeri> I get this error in audacity "error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate" when clicking on the play button of an mp3....I am on a Kubuntu Edgy box...anybody?
[02:43] <jel> pointwood: yesh, those are the torrents I would download too ;)
[02:44] <snikker> jel: ah, ok...
[02:44] <snikker> jel: and there is a way to get it as in dapper?
[02:44] <jel> bianconeri: try pkill -9 arts from a konsole, and then open audacity right after
[02:45] <jel> snikker: graphical, but with textual info?  I'm not sure.  That would be nice.
[02:46] <jel> snikker: it does lots of boot stuff in parallel now, so it's probably harder to say "right now, I'm doing X".  I guess they'll work on that though.
[02:46] <gsuveg> anyone use kblogger ?
[02:46] <bianconeri> jel: Nope didnt work same error
[02:46] <snikker> jel: well, in the dapper i had the kubuntu logo and the text line for init operations...
[02:46] <gsuveg> or other blogger app for kde ?