[00:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[00:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 19 00:00:09 2011 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[00:00] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for August 18th 2011.  The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:01] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:01] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:01] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:01] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:01] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:01] <pleia2> looks like tenach isn't here
[00:02] <pleia2> [TOPIC] dscassel membership
[00:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: dscassel membership
[00:02] <dscassel> Hi. :)
[00:03] <dscassel> So I'm Darcy.  I'm the LoCo contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[00:03] <pleia2> dscassel: please introduce yourself and provide a link to your wiki :)
[00:03] <dscassel> Wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dscassel
[00:03] <beuno> LoCo contact, fancy!
[00:04] <cyphermox> doing a great job at it too.
[00:04] <dscassel> I started out running release parties in my town, then formed a group locally.
[00:04] <dscassel> Thanks. :)
[00:04] <dscassel> Then I decided to revive the Ubuntu Canada LoCo which had been dormant a couple years.
[00:05] <beuno> CUSTOM CAKES!
[00:05] <dscassel> Since then I've been continuing to do local stuff and trying to encourage other Canadian cities to join the fun.
[00:05] <dscassel> Yes! :D
[00:05] <dscassel> My friend Holly does the decarating.  She's a pretty fantastic artist. :)
[00:06] <beuno> and an endorsment from Corey, hard to beat that
[00:06] <dscassel> Anyway, I've taken up chairing the ubuntu-ca IRC meetings, and I'm slowly getting out and meeting Ubuntu people in Ontario.
[00:06] <dscassel> beuno: I think he was happy someone finally took the LoCo off his hands. :)
[00:07] <dscassel> He hadn't had time to do anything for a while, so I approached him about taking over.
[00:08] <pleia2> such a complete wiki! and love to see such great testimonials :)
[00:08] <dscassel> Thanks, pleia2 :)
[00:09] <dscassel> I've been through LoCo reapprovals, so I have a pretty good idea what goes over well. :)
[00:10] <beuno> dscassel, what's it like being the LoCo contact?
[00:10] <dscassel> beuno: It's certainly interesting.
[00:11] <dscassel> Most of the job involves motivating (or trying to motivate) other people remotely.
[00:11] <beuno> "the airpplane just lost an engine" interesting?  :)
[00:11] <dscassel> And that's hard.
[00:11] <dscassel> I can keep running cool events and stuff in town fine, and that's great.
[00:11] <dscassel> I think most LoCos run like that anyway.
[00:12] <dscassel> But to be Ubuntu Canada, it really ought to be more than just me here in Waterloo.
[00:12] <dscassel> I've had some success encouraging things in Toronto.  But a big part of that is Toronto is an hour down the road.
[00:13]  * beuno nods
[00:13] <pleia2> [VOTE] dscassel membership
[00:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: dscassel membership
[00:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:13] <pleia2> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:13] <cyphermox> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:13] <beuno> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from beuno
[00:13] <Pendulum> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:14] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:14] <meetingology> Voting ended on: dscassel membership
[00:14] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:14] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:14] <pleia2> congrats and welcome dscassel :)
[00:14] <beuno> \o/
[00:14] <dscassel> Thanks, all. :D
[00:14] <holstein> dscassel: w00t!
[00:15] <pleia2> [TOPIC] holstein membership
[00:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: holstein membership
[00:15] <holstein> hello all... this is my page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/holstein#About_Me
[00:15] <holstein> im a musician in asheville north carolina, in akgraner 's neck of the woods
[00:16] <holstein> i organize the local LUG meetings http://www.wnclug.info/
[00:16] <holstein> we try and *not* have an ubuntu users group, since it was alreay in place before i got there, but we do lots of ubuntu showcases
[00:17] <pleia2> yeah, I ran the LUG in Philly for a while, the Ubuntu volunteers were great for doing presentations and events at and with the LUG :) great way to work together
[00:17] <holstein> our NC loco is a bit down at the moment, and in transition, but there are 4 or 5 or us that our going to bring it back hopefully this fall
[00:18] <holstein> pleia2: akgraner has presented a few times :)
[00:18] <pleia2> what kind of work do you do for ubuntu studio? (I'm familiar with your UWN and tireless #ubuntu-beginners support work :))
[00:18] <holstein> i am active, and probably mostly focuses on ubuntustudio right now
[00:18] <holstein> its mostly trying to drum up help
[00:19] <holstein> im probably never going to be a coding contributor, which is unfortunate, since thats what we really need
[00:19] <holstein> but, i am helping with documenation, running meetings.. whatever scott lavendar needs help with
[00:19] <pleia2> great
[00:20] <holstein> these are exciting times (potentially) for that team
[00:20] <holstein> lots of new software coming in... ardour3, switching to XFCE
[00:20] <holstein> we'll see...
[00:20] <pleia2> I have to admit that I'm pleased about the switch to XFCE (my love!) :)
[00:20] <holstein> yeah, the xubuntu team is just awesome
[00:20] <pleia2> [VOTE] holstein membership
[00:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: holstein membership
[00:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:20] <pleia2> +1
[00:20] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:21] <beuno> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from beuno
[00:21] <Pendulum> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:21] <beuno> stgraber, you with cyphermox?
[00:21] <beuno> can you channel his vote?
[00:22] <pleia2> (cyphermox had his battery die on him, doh!)
[00:22] <holstein> :/
[00:22] <stgraber> he's supposde to appear soon. Was going to his roomfor power
[00:22] <beuno> holstein, you're 3/4, so you're technically in  ;)
[00:22] <holstein> lol
[00:22] <beuno> lets give him a bit, though
[00:23] <dscassel> Congrats, holstein :)
[00:23] <beuno> plus, who could vote against someone in the front lines, helping begginners?
[00:23] <holstein> i enjoy it
[00:23] <akgraner> holstein, rocks! (sorry just had to say so)
[00:23] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
[00:23] <holstein> akgraner: thanks :)
[00:24] <holstein> i wouldnt be here without akgraner 's help, thats for sure
[00:25] <stgraber> hmm, I guess I could vote too if that helps on that one. I read the wikipage and I'm part of the EMEA membership board.
[00:25] <akgraner> :-) you're welcome!  You do a lot for the team and I am excited to see all the areas you are contributing too..
[00:25] <beuno> stgraber, that works
[00:26] <pleia2> wb cyphermox
[00:26] <cyphermox> I was +1 ;)
[00:26] <beuno> \o/
[00:26] <stgraber> +1 then (just to make sure you have enough of them :))
[00:26] <cyphermox> +1
[00:26] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:26] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: holstein membership
[00:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:26]  * holstein high-fives dscassel ... thanks everybody!
[00:26] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, holstein
[00:26] <pleia2> congrats holstein :)
[00:26] <dscassel> :)
[00:26] <akgraner> Congrats holstein! \o/
[00:26] <akgraner> and you too dscassel !
[00:26] <cyphermox> congrats holstein and dscassel
[00:27] <dscassel> Oh, and thanks, cyphermox, for encouraging me to finally get out and do this. :)
[00:27] <pleia2> thanks for coming to the meeting everyone
[00:27] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[00:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 19 00:27:16 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[00:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-19-00.00.moin.txt
[00:27] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, dscassel
[00:27] <beuno> congrats holstein, dscassel!
[00:27] <dscassel> Awesome. Thanks again, folks.
[14:57]  * pitti waves hello
[14:58] <skaet> hiya pitti.
[14:58] <jibel> Hey all :)
[14:58]  * skaet is on a hotel connection.   Is there a volunteer to continue the round table if I drop off again?
[14:58] <skaet> hiya jibel:)
[15:00]  * skaet looks around and doesn't see the crowd pushing forward to volunteer....
[15:00] <skaet> lol
[15:00] <skaet> oh well,  time to start
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 19 15:01:01 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:01] <skaet> hmm... just had a cut paste failure.   Will recreate and paste at end of meeting.
[15:02]  * stgraber waves
[15:02] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-08-19
[15:03] <skaet> basically concern right now on the number of regression bugs as critical/high at this stage.
[15:03] <skaet> but ... more later
[15:03] <skaet> any questions/issues before starting in to round table?
[15:03] <skaet> ..
[15:03]  * NCommander arrives (sorry Im late)
[15:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:04] <skaet> or brendand?
[15:04] <mlegris> [Week 33 Testing Report]
[15:04]  * hggdh waves
[15:04] <mlegris> A3 Testing finished on Wednesday, finished ~140 systems
[15:04] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/oneiric-testing/oneiric_alpha3.html
[15:04] <mlegris> .
[15:05] <mlegris> * 37 Oneiric related bugs reported
[15:05] <mlegris> * 25 are HW specific
[15:05] <mlegris> * 17 Checkbox bugs reported
[15:05] <mlegris> (oneiric caused some havoc with our testing suite)
[15:06] <mlegris> Next week will be the normal weekly testing
[15:06] <mlegris> ..
[15:06] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!
[15:07] <skaet> Are there some bugs you consider blockers for B1 that you want extra focus on?
[15:08] <mlegris> most of the hw bugs are blockers for us
[15:08] <mlegris> vanhoof has been doing a great job looking into those
[15:09] <mlegris> fyi: bugs with blocks-hwcert are our high priority bugs
[15:09] <skaet> mlegris,  thanks.   I'll follow up early next week on some of the specifics then.
[15:09] <mlegris> great, thanks!
[15:09] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:10] <meetingology> TOPIC: Security team update - jdstrand
[15:10] <jdstrand> hello :)
[15:11] <skaet> :)
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:11] <jdstrand> We are back on track for our assigned work items in our blueprints as can be seen in our trend line. Most of the remaining work items are either not tied to the release or are bug fixes.
[15:11] <jdstrand> One notable exception is apparmor mediation of dbus. As mentioned in #ubuntu-release a while ago, we are hoping to have a tech preview available for Oneiric that defaults to off (ie, dbus meditation is turned off by default and it behaves like normal).
[15:11] <jdstrand> Work is ongoing, but this may slip, at which point we should have something when 'P' opens.
[15:11] <jdstrand> Looking at the list of oneiric bugs, I don't see anything else worth highlighting.
[15:11] <jdstrand> ..
[15:12] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!  any questions?
[15:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Beta-1 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> Last week we uploaded the Ubuntu 3.0.0-8.11 kernel which was rebased onto upstream stable v3.0.1.  Since then upstream stable v3.0.2 and v3.0.3 have released.  We've rebased and plan to upload today.  We intend this to be our final upload prior to Beta-1.  We are currently trending slightly above our Beta-1 burndown chart but are below overall.  The remaining work items are not release critical.
[15:12] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:13] <ogasawara> #542660: looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #557261: updated logs attached, investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #708286: assigned to kernel dev, awaiting feedback for test kernel.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #754711: on a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate are being worked on for Oneiric, see 815944 (systemtap fix recently posted upstream).
[15:13] <ogasawara> #758486: updated debug information attached, investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #760131: partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #784937: Fix Committed.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #790712: the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #791850: Fix Committed.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #793486: the requested debug info has been attached, likely going to require a bisect.
[15:13] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:13] <ogasawara> ..
[15:13] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!   Nice seeing those fix committeds :)
[15:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:14] <meetingology> TOPIC: Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:14] <cjwatson> hi
[15:14] <skaet> :)
[15:14] <cjwatson> Evan landed his Ubiquity FFe; now using PyGI and GTK+ 3.
[15:14] <cjwatson> Code to switch over to new reduced DVD images committed, but I haven't quite got a successful build out of it yet due to archive inconsistency.
[15:14] <cjwatson> Working on testing and client-side scripting for new native source sync facility in Launchpad; review is nearly complete and this should be available to developers soon.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Much work on trying to sort out component-mismatches and NBS.  component-mismatches is looking rather better now (thanks doko and others!), but NBS is still a swamp (and many of these correspond to build failures).  Please help if you can.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Multiarch turned on by default on amd64 upgrades, and ia32-libs cut down quite a bit.  Steve plans to remove it entirely at the start of the P cycle.  \o/
[15:15] <cjwatson> Bugs: Still a bit of a swamp, but we should be able to make more progress now that the giant ubiquity update has landed (most of the milestoned bugs are installer problems of one kind or another).
[15:15] <cjwatson>  * 597673: Started work on constructing a suitable test environment.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  * 702283: This may or may not happen - it's Medium, and a lot of hard work.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Others are queued; I think we should be able to address at least the High ones (745960, 819624, 820514) by beta freeze.  756147 is not ours, as noted in the bug (although I've retried the build anyway since doko said it should be fixed with the current toolchain).
[15:15] <cjwatson> ..
[15:15] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson!
[15:16] <skaet> any one have specific questions?
[15:17]  * skaet just cross checked and spotted her answer in status :)
[15:17] <doko> filed ~80 ftbfs reports for main
[15:17] <doko> universe rebuild is still running
[15:17] <skaet> doko - what was the change that triggered the ~80ftbfs
[15:17] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110816-oneiric.html
[15:18] <doko> skaet, nothing particular
[15:18] <ogra_> wow, why does that differ so much from http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[15:18] <ogra_> (has only 16 packages failing for main)
[15:18] <doko> we just didn't upload everything in oneiric
[15:18] <ogra_> ah
[15:18] <doko> thanks to wgrant to adding bug numbers to this page
[15:18] <skaet> doko,  when I looked last night it was down in the 20s...
[15:19] <doko> skaet, well, the rebuild is running, it was then just one day building ...
[15:20] <skaet> doko,  ok,  will see where things are on monday then.
[15:20] <skaet> thanks
[15:21] <doko> currently we have around ~10 universe builds running/hour
[15:22] <skaet> ok,  I'll just add a request to each of the teams to have a look at the ftbfs list and help clean up the packages they're tracking.
[15:23] <doko> thanks!
[15:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - NCommander or ogra
[15:23] <meetingology> TOPIC: ARM team update - NCommander or ogra
[15:23] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:23] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:23] <ogra_> --
[15:23] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:23] <ogra_>  - TI/linaro rework of u-boot to not need a separate x-loader package anymore is ongoing, FFe requests and adjustment of the image builders ahead !
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Cleanup of jasper is still ongoing
[15:23] <ogra_>  - AC100 image implementation is in its last stages
[15:23] <ogra_>  - mx5 livefs builds should work, now that the kernel package is in the archive. debian-cd changes pending
[15:23] <ogra_>  - fixup work on armel server to make LXC work flawless has been done last week
[15:23] <ogra_>  - constant server QA testing is ongoing
[15:23] <ogra_> --
[15:23] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Desktop images don't build due to software-center python issues (affects all arches apparently)
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:24] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:24] <ogra_> --
[15:24] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:24] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:24] <ogra_>  - B1 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:24] <ogra_> --
[15:24] <ogra_> voila :)
[15:24] <ogra_> ..
[15:24] <skaet> :)
[15:24] <cjwatson> that software-center issue is fixed FYI
[15:24] <skaet> Thanks ogra_!
[15:24] <ogra_> yeah, i thought so
[15:24] <skaet> what's the outlook for seeing the mx5 images start to show up in the dailies?
[15:25] <ogra_> during next week i'd say, the kernel enetered the archive yesterday
[15:25] <ogra_> livecd-rootfs should have all bits, so only cdimage/debian-cd changes are pending
[15:25] <ogra_> ..
[15:25] <skaet> ogra_, coolio.   Looking forward to seeing it.  :)
[15:26] <ogra_> :)
[15:26] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:26] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:26] <meetingology> TOPIC: Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:26] <fabo> o/
[15:26] <fabo> * OpenGL ES support for Unity 3D on Oneiric is waiting code review (requires a FFe) * Nux: https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-graphics-wg/nux/nux-gles2/+merge/70279 * Compiz: http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/log/?h=gles
[15:27] <fabo> * x-loader replacement with U-Boot SPL on-going Linaro 11.08 release
[15:27] <fabo> * Linaro GCC 4.6 and 4.5 2011.08 released * 4.6 fixes: bug 736007, bug 809768, bug 815777  * 4.5 fixes: bug 736007, bug 809768, bug 815435
[15:27] <fabo> * Michael Hope has commented on bug 775849. It's low priority on his list and should be re-assigned (as we agreed at last meeting).
[15:27] <fabo> ..
[15:29] <skaet> Thanks fabo!   Will look into the 775849 bug and follow up offline.
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:29] <meetingology> TOPIC: Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:30] <skaet> hmm... neither is around,  so before we move onto the desktops,  would like to get QA's report
[15:31] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:31] <meetingology> TOPIC: QA team update -  jibel
[15:31] <jibel> * Automated Testing progress
[15:31] <jibel>   * New tests added to daily tests :
[15:31] <jibel>     * Alternate LVM and encrypted home
[15:31] <jibel>     * Desktop encrypted home and live session
[15:31] <jibel> * Bug activity
[15:31] <jibel>  Top 5 packages with most opened bugs reported during last week (over a total of 397 unique reports (no dups))
[15:31] <jibel> unity: 54	(13.60%)
[15:31] <jibel> linux: 24	(6.05%)
[15:31] <jibel> compiz: 16	(4.03%)
[15:31] <jibel> nautilus: 14	(3.53%)
[15:32] <jibel> software-center: 13	(3.27%)
[15:32] <jibel> * 36 reports are regressions (9% (+2%) of the bugs reported over last week)
[15:32] <jibel> * Top 3: unity (22), compiz (3), nautilus (2)
[15:32] <jibel> * Packages with High/Critical bugs opened and reported this week:
[15:32] <jibel> unity (10), nux (2) and ubuntu-meta (1 critical)
[15:32] <jibel> * Top 3 crashers of the week are:
[15:32] <jibel> unity: 12 (22% of the bugs reported against this package)
[15:32] <jibel> software-center: 12 ( 93% )
[15:32] <jibel> compiz: 10 (63%)
[15:33] <jibel> * Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)
[15:33] <jibel> unity:    23/54 (42.6%)
[15:33] <jibel> compiz:   13/16 (81.3%)
[15:33] <jibel> unity-2d:  9/11 (81.9%)
[15:33]  * jibel has nothing against unity :)
[15:33] <pitti> no, but it has a lot against us these days :/
[15:33] <jibel> that's all from qa
[15:34] <jibel> ..
[15:34] <jibel> any question ?
[15:34] <jibel> or comment
[15:34] <skaet> thanks jibel!  good data.
[15:34] <skaet> I'm worried about the #of critical/high regressions I was seeing yesterday too.
[15:35]  * skaet looks around for questions...
[15:35] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:35] <meetingology> TOPIC: Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:35] <pitti> GNOME 3.1.5 mostly landed except for three remaining packages.
[15:35] <pitti> Landed some high-urgency fixes in unity which cause a lot of crashes and other grief on Friday.
[15:35] <pitti> We currently have a harder decision to make about whether or not to update pygobject to 2.90 (i. e. future 3.0). See bug 828751 for details and pro/con.
[15:36] <pitti> pygobject to 2.90 (i. e. future 3.0). See bug 828751 for details and pro/con.
[15:36] <pitti> Lots of bug fixing this week.
[15:36] <pitti> Still swamped by too many "last mile" work items for 90% done specs, and a large bug backlog.
[15:36] <pitti> RC bug status: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs as usual
[15:36] <pitti> nothing earthshattering there, biggest issue for derivatives is bug 789333, which just started being worked on
[15:36] <pitti> other than that we have lots of non-RC bugs which in sum spoil the experience, but that's not a good matter to track here
[15:36] <pitti> ..
[15:36] <skaet> Thanks pitti!
[15:36] <skaet> will work with you off line to prune down the list.
[15:37] <Ursinha_> 17
[15:37] <Ursinha_> sorry
[15:37] <skaet> and thanks to robert ansell,  for fixing alot of the lightdm bugs,  that should unblock some of the other teams.
[15:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:38] <meetingology> TOPIC: Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:38] <pitti> ecryptfs started working agian today
[15:39] <skaet> :)
[15:39] <dbarth> yup
[15:39] <dbarth> so
[15:39] <dbarth> the report as usual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:39] <dbarth> highlights:
[15:40] <dbarth> - a new weekly release of unity, with IM support and lots of bug fixes
[15:40] <dbarth> (including some out of release fixed since this morning)
[15:40] <dbarth> - alt-tab fixes as well, to make it more usable
[15:41] <dbarth> ('xcept on my machine which is running devl, so bear with me)
[15:41] <dbarth> a good series of indicator updates, the front is stable there now
[15:42] <dbarth> unity-2d missed the weekly upload, but Florian is working with seb128 now; catching up with missing views
[15:43] <dbarth> compiz: reshuffle of the branches to realign upstream with what's in oneiric
[15:43] <dbarth> the uwd rewrite branch is tracked independently now
[15:43] <dbarth> last : CJK status
[15:44] <dbarth> the xapian patch is now well tested by OEM
[15:44] <dbarth> and ibus support is mostly there, with IM support first this week, and multicontext ie ibus next week now
[15:44] <dbarth> ..
[15:44] <skaet> thanks dbarth!
[15:44] <dbarth> (sorry that was a bit slow)
[15:45] <skaet> when will the next drop be?  (wednesday?)
[15:47] <skaet> hmm..  will move on then and follow up with him offline.
[15:47] <dbarth> skaet: thursday?
[15:47] <jibel> o/
[15:47] <dbarth> why wednesday? am i missing a milestone?
[15:48] <skaet> dbarth, plan was for the drops to land on wednesday.
[15:48] <skaet> we'll be entering beta freeze on tuesday
[15:48] <skaet> s/tuesday/thursday
[15:48] <dbarth> when approaching milestones
[15:49] <skaet> yeah beta 1 is sept 1.   so its approaching.
[15:49] <skaet> :)
[15:49] <dbarth> uh, right, ok
[15:49] <dbarth> yes
[15:49] <skaet> thanks.
[15:49] <skaet> go jibel
[15:49] <jibel> dbarth, on DX team's bugs on radar list, I see no reference to 'video corruption' issues
[15:49] <jibel> there are many convergent reports showing problems there
[15:50] <jibel> What's the status (unless it's on another team's hands) ?
[15:50] <dbarth> i have no status update on it yet; jay is investigating it, but it's mostly at the driver level
[15:51] <jibel> do you expect improvements/fixes before B1 ?
[15:51] <pitti> jibel: for the corrupted popup windows? or still with external screens?
[15:51] <dbarth> ah that's different
[15:52] <dbarth> the corrupted popups are fixed
[15:52] <dbarth> or have a fix
[15:52] <pitti> ah, great; they are quite irritating
[15:52] <dbarth> the video issues are more related to fglrx problems
[15:52] <jibel> pitti, external (e.g bug 824099) and screen corruption on fglrx
[15:54] <dbarth> yes, i'm aware of this one
[15:54] <dbarth> but we don't have an answer at this point
[15:54] <jibel> ok, thanks
[15:56] <skaet> ok,   not seeing any other questions,  so moving on.
[15:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:56] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:57] <skaet> hmm... no ScottK around I guess..   anyone else from Kubuntu?
[15:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:57] <meetingology> TOPIC: Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:57] <stgraber> hey everyone!
[15:57] <skaet> :)
[15:58] <stgraber> ok, so really not that much on the Edubuntu side, mostly because highvoltage is quite busy and I've been traveling lately.
[15:58] <stgraber> our images build fine which is always nice to have
[15:58] <stgraber> I'm hoping to get the initial work done on LTSP live next week so we can file the FFe and solve our last big bug
[15:59] <Daviey> stgraber: do you have any work involved in the ubiquity transition?
[15:59] <Daviey> The pygi changes?
[15:59] <stgraber> we also have a small problem with some of the tools we ship no longer working with gnome3 that we'll probably have to drop
[15:59] <stgraber> Daviey: I haven't looked at it yet, but we don't use custom widgets or simular for our steps, so if we need to port them to gi, it should be fairly easy
[16:00] <Daviey> super
[16:00] <stgraber> so it's pretty likely we'll be dropping sabayon, pessulus and nanny this cycle
[16:00] <stgraber> just need to review them once more but last we checked they weren't gnome3/dconf aware
[16:00] <stgraber> and the Edubuntu team won't have the time to port them all (especially as we aren't the upstream for these, gnome is)
[16:01] <stgraber> I guess that's all for Edubuntu
[16:01] <stgraber> any question?
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!
[16:01] <stgraber> oh
[16:01] <stgraber> ..
[16:01] <stgraber> :)
[16:01] <skaet> :)
[16:02]  * skaet not seeing further questions so moving on...
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I apologize, I am not ready today. I just got the computer up
[16:02] <charlie-tca> lightdm bugs are fixed and it is working
[16:03] <charlie-tca> will update the agenda to reflect after the meeting
[16:03] <charlie-tca> ..
[16:03] <skaet> thanks charlie-tca!   appreciate you updating the agenda after the meeting.   It helps.  :)
[16:03] <skaet> any specific questions?
[16:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[16:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[16:04] <gilir> hi :)
[16:04] <skaet> :)
[16:04] <gilir> Not much to report this week
[16:04] <gilir> We focused on merging bugfix releases/revisions from Debian, and updating bugfix releases from upstream.
[16:04] <gilir> Working on lightdm switch by default, configuration is working (setting session and greeter by default), but still crashing on upgrade (maybe relative to bug #829514))
[16:04] <gilir> For next week:
[16:05] <gilir> - The new theme should be uploaded, + some community wallpapers
[16:05] <gilir> - Finishing merging bugfix releases/revisions from upstream and Debian
[16:05] <gilir> - Re-enable lightdm by default on daily, test and decide before the freeze if we keep it
[16:05] <gilir> ..
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks gilir,  I don't have that bug on my list.  Is the number accurate?
[16:06]  * skaet sees lauchpad can't find it either ;)
[16:06] <gilir> I just reported it recently, and still private for retracing
[16:06] <skaet> gilir,  coolio.   Thanks!
[16:07] <skaet> any questions?
[16:07] <jibel> gilir, you'll wait for a while, there's no retracer
[16:08] <gilir> jibel, ok thanks :)
[16:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:08] <meetingology> TOPIC: MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:08] <tumbleweed> hi
[16:08] <skaet> :)
[16:08] <tumbleweed> Since freeze, people have been concentrating on FTBFS \o/
[16:08] <tumbleweed> http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/qa-ftbfs/oneiric-historical.html (I really must get that in good shape for ubuntuwire...)
[16:08] <tumbleweed> I suspect we'll see many more in doko's rebuild
[16:08] <tumbleweed> Still lots of NBS/transition work to do too
[16:09]  * skaet nods
[16:09] <tumbleweed> No sign of the eclipse FFe that micahg mentioned, yet
[16:09] <tumbleweed> I tried to politely enforce FFes for the dh_python2 transitions, but that hasn't achieved much. One incomplete FFe, and a response of ~ "I'd like to do these without bureaucracy, please" :/
[16:09] <tumbleweed> that's all from me
[16:09] <tumbleweed> ..
[16:10] <skaet> thanks tumbleweed!   can you send me more details offline about the FFe?
[16:11] <tumbleweed> sure
[16:11] <skaet> thanks!
[16:11] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:11] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[16:11] <meetingology> TOPIC: Server team update - Daviey
[16:11] <Daviey> o/
[16:11] <skaet> :)
[16:11] <Daviey> Hi, things are looking pretty good!
[16:11] <Daviey> Since the last meeting, lots of openstack and it's depends have entered main.  There are a few issues blocking swift/glance promotion, but these have been identified and on target to be resolved.
[16:11] <Daviey> python-carrot promotion is currently on hold, as we are hoping to replace it with python-kombu which is requiring ongoing work in upstream.
[16:11] <Daviey> We also have an initial armel cloud image, which is undergoing testing (HINT: it doesn't yet work)..  but it is there, and a reproducible build (added complexity).
[16:11] <Daviey> eucalyptus (now universe) is currently in a poor state, with nobody seemingly actively working on it.  Upgrade path from natty is currently concerning.
[16:11] <Daviey> Bugs we are currently tracking for Oneiric release. (Including FFe's, FTBFS's, MIR's and general bugs)
[16:11] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:12] <Daviey> Burndown overview looks a little off par, but i believe it became out of date this week - we are working to fix the status now.
[16:12] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[16:12] <Daviey> (As ever, if there are any I am not tracking, please raise them either now or as soon as possible).
[16:12] <Daviey> There are still some FFe bugs which need raising, and they are being addresses as soon as possible.
[16:12] <Daviey> Thanks!
[16:12] <Daviey> ...
[16:12] <skaet> Thanks Daviey!    Will look into those links a bit more after the meeting.
[16:13] <skaet> anyone have questions right now for Daviey?
[16:13] <tumbleweed> Daviey: any response with getting kombu in thorugh debian?
[16:14] <Daviey> tumbleweed: That is entirely blocked on ampqlib >1.0 which is a depends
[16:14] <tumbleweed> ah, right
[16:14] <Daviey> That needs resolving in Ubuntu & Debian before that can happen.
[16:14] <ScottK> skaet: Here now.
[16:14] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Don't worry, we will push back :)
[16:15] <skaet> ScottK,  coolio.  ok, will have you go next before we wrap up.
[16:15] <tumbleweed> Daviey: I promised to help out on the debian side in the FFe bug, but just hadn't seen any activity
[16:15] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Yeah, wanted to get the the depends resolved first.
[16:16] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Appreciate your offer to help.. will keep you posted!
[16:16] <tumbleweed> np, thanks
[16:16] <tumbleweed> ..
[16:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:16] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:16] <ScottK> Hello.
[16:17] <ScottK> Currently working through FTBFS from the rebuild test and looking at how much plasma-active work it's reasonable to land post FF.
[16:17] <ScottK> I expect a couple of FFes for that resolved in the next few days.
[16:18] <ScottK> No major issues to report.
[16:18] <ScottK> ..
[16:18] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!
[16:19] <skaet> There are some bugs from the A3 ISO testing that are still marked as new with no priority set.   Have the ones on the agenda been looked at?
[16:20] <skaet> Bug:820384
[16:21] <Daviey> bug 820384
[16:21] <skaet> Bug 820591
[16:22] <skaet> ^^ has a kde_workspace task that is the one I'm wondering about.
[16:23]  * ScottK looks
[16:24] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.   we can follow up after the meeting then.
[16:24] <ScottK> skaet: As it says in the bug, I think the question is if Ubiquity can do anything.
[16:24] <ScottK> From a KDE perspective it's working as designed.
[16:24] <ScottK> OK.
[16:24] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business?  - all
[16:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: Any other business?  - all
[16:24] <skaet> Events approaching:
[16:24] <skaet> BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 2100 UTC.
[16:24] <skaet> UserInterfaceFreeze: August 25, 2011 at 2100 UTC.
[16:24] <skaet> Beta 1: Sept 1, 2011.
[16:25] <skaet> ..
[16:25] <skaet> anyone else?
[16:25] <micahg> o/
[16:25] <skaet> go micahg
[16:26] <micahg> just wanted to say, that eclipse is currently broken, so it'll probably be after beta1 before it's ready
[16:26] <micahg> ..
[16:26] <skaet> thanks for flagging micahg,  release note time then it seems.
[16:27] <skaet> anyone else?
[16:27] <micahg> well, I mean 3.7 is broken, idk about 3.5 in oneiric
[16:27] <skaet> ah,  didn't understand the context.  Thanks for clarifying.
[16:27] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 19 16:27:56 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[16:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-19-15.01.moin.txt
[16:28] <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, ogra_, fabo, pitti, dbarth, stgraber, Daviey, tumbleweed, gilir, charlie-tca, ScottK, micahg
[16:28] <stgraber> thanks skaet
[16:28] <pitti> thanks all
[16:28] <skaet> thanks jibel
[16:28] <jdstrand> thanks skaet
[16:28] <jibel> thanks skaet
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks, skaet
[16:36] <ScottK> tumbleweed: re dh_python2 transitions, I think we need a mail to u-d-a saying toolchain redesign (e.g. dh_python2 or cdbs -> dh) changes should have FFe.
[16:37] <tumbleweed> ScottK: yeah, agreed
[16:37] <ScottK> Care to write it?
[16:37] <tumbleweed> heh, sure


[04:37] <ahoneybun> anyone know if the Ubiquity installer uses the kubuntu-slideshow.py to run the slideshow during installation>
[06:33] <xnox> cyphermox, could you please push partman-base? if that upload in wily was done with bzr, otherwise i'll just do import-dsc or some such.
[13:10] <cyphermox> xnox: hrm, I don't have it in bzr, that's weird... or I misplaced the directory
[13:10] <cyphermox> xnox: I'll do the imports
[13:10] <xnox> tah!
[13:12] <cyphermox> OTOH, you've already been doing uploads directly... ;)
[13:15] <xnox> haha
[13:21] <cyphermox> in progress, but I see an issue with your last upload...
[13:22] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23049414/
[13:22] <xnox> cyphermox, what about it?
[13:22] <cyphermox> for s390x, won't that test return 0 and fail?
[13:22] <xnox> cyphermox, __s390__ is defined on both 32 & 64 bit.
[13:23] <cyphermox> sure, but matching in strcmp is a 0
[13:23] <xnox> cyphermox, __s390__ is defined on both 31 & 64 bit.
[13:23] <xnox> correct.
[13:23] <xnox> if 0 -> do not use extended partitions
[13:24] <cyphermox> ah, yes, I see now
[13:24] <cyphermox> too little context, tbh
[13:25] <cyphermox> lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-base/ubuntu
[13:25] <cyphermox> it's at 187ubuntu3 now
[13:27] <ogra_> shouldnt that be 31 and 63 bit ?
[13:27] <ogra_> :P
[13:40] <xnox> imho 65 bit would have been awesome, one up everyone else, and on average just like everybody else
[16:23] <ahoneybun> if I've made changes to the slideshow how can I test them in a real enviornment?
[20:48] <ahoneybun> heyo
[20:51] <ahoneybun> anyone who works on the ubiquity installer?
[21:14] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: I'm hitting an error when building ubiquity from lp and source
[21:54] <cyphermox> there are issues in the installer atm with non-english locales
[22:17] <ahoneybun> it's error's from wpa
[22:18] <ahoneybun> trying to fix our slideshow but I need to rebuild ubiquity
[22:18] <ahoneybun> https://paste.kde.org/pogda6jrr


[00:07] <tgm4883> CRU_, hulu != huludesktop
[00:07] <tgm4883> I only bring that up since you can view hulu inside MNV
[00:08] <CRU_> I'm not sure what that means ...noob to mythtv and mythbuntu
[00:09] <CRU_> I figured out how to get the sound to work...if anyone is interested.  I needed to create a ~/.asoundrc and add hw 1,7 to it
[00:09] <tgm4883> CRU_, ok, so yea hulu has a desktop application called huludesktop. But you can also view hulu using a mythtv plugin called MythNetVision
[00:09] <CRU_> hmmm. i will have to try that.  I'll make sure the plugin is added
[00:12] <CRU_> I have it added, how do I access that inside mythtv?
[00:22] <CRU_> tgm4883: How do I add Hulu to the list of Internet Video sites?
[00:37] <tgm4883> CRU_, did you install MNV?
[00:37] <tgm4883> I would think it is installed, I'd have to verify on my setup though
[00:37] <CRU_> Yes, I can "Search Internet Video" and such now
[00:37] <CRU_> it is installed (double checked it)
[01:13] <Azelphur> 2010-11-12 01:12:45.716 MainServer::HandleVersion - Client speaks protocol version 23056 but we speak 63!
[01:13] <Azelphur> I keep getting this spammed from the server and client
[01:18] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: hulu support is int .24
[01:18] <Shadow__X> in*
[01:20] <Shadow__X> Azelphur: did you upgrade your backend?
[01:20] <Shadow__X> and not upgrade your frontend
[01:27] <Azelphur> Shadow__X: all machines are on the same mythbuntu repos
[01:27] <Azelphur> and all up to date
[01:27] <Shadow__X> clearly not if one says 63 and the other says 56
[01:28] <Shadow__X> from terminal do mythfrontend --version on each
[01:28] <Shadow__X> this is mine
[01:28] <Shadow__X> MythTV Version   : 26863
[01:28] <Shadow__X> MythTV Branch    : branches/release-0-23-fixes
[01:28] <Shadow__X> and mine is still .23.1-fixes
[01:29] <Azelphur> mine is 27162 0.24.20101028-1
[01:29] <Azelphur> on all machines
[01:29] <Shadow__X> then what client is saying 23056 thats an old .23 build
[01:29] <Shadow__X> a really outdated one before they switched the way it handles version name internally
[01:29] <Shadow__X> also that sounds like trunk
[01:30] <Shadow__X> not .24 release
[01:30] <Shadow__X> considering the build date of 10.28
[01:30] <Shadow__X> 10/28
[01:31] <Azelphur> it's the server saying it
[01:31] <Shadow__X> what i am saying is that if you were using auto builds you selected trunk which you should only run if you have a true reason to
[01:32] <Shadow__X> also .24 has been released. so its old
[01:32] <Azelphur> I selected 0.24
[01:32] <Shadow__X> then do an upgrade because that build is old
[01:32] <Shadow__X> unless i am mistaken somewhere it just seems you are trying to run a .23 client on .24 which WILL NOT work
[01:33] <Shadow__X> Azelphur: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[01:34] <Azelphur> Shadow__X: http://pastebin.com/3YMnNHma
[01:34] <Azelphur> the mythfrontend version is not old
[01:34] <Azelphur> oh wait, yea it is
[01:35] <Shadow__X> :)
[01:35] <Azelphur> Shadow__X: ok then wtf, the frontend version and backend version are different on the same computer
[01:35] <Azelphur> using the same mythbuntu repo
[01:35] <Azelphur> xD
[01:35] <Shadow__X> thats a no good
[01:35] <Shadow__X> you probably installed one with the ubuntu repo and the other using the mythbuntu repo
[01:35] <Azelphur> ok reconfiguring mythbuntu-repos now
[01:35] <Azelphur> which country do I select (or PPA?)
[01:36] <Shadow__X> read http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[01:36] <Azelphur> I'm in UK
[01:36] <Shadow__X> it explains everything. Normally you select which ever is closest to you
[01:36] <Azelphur> ok
[01:37] <Azelphur> I selected UK, No testing, did an apt-get update and there are no new updates available
[01:38] <Azelphur> Shadow__X: hold on a minute, re-reading that message
[01:38] <Azelphur> Shadow__X: Client speaks protocol version 23056 but we speak 63!, but mythfrontend --version says Network Protocol is 63
[01:39] <Shadow__X> mythtv is a client/server model
[01:40] <Shadow__X> so the server speaks 63
[01:40] <Shadow__X> one of your frontends is running an old build of .23
[01:40] <Shadow__X> so if you have only one fe you found the issue
[01:40] <Azelphur> haha figured it out
[01:40] <Azelphur> my brother was running mythfrontend on his laptop
[01:41] <Azelphur> that solves that mystery
[01:42] <Shadow__X> yes
[01:43] <Shadow__X> everything should be on the same version
[01:43] <Shadow__X> so you need to upgrade everything to the release version of .24
[01:43] <Azelphur> yea I thought I had everything, I forgot my brothers laptop :)
[01:47] <Azelphur> hehe awesome it's off grabbing metadata now
[01:47] <Shadow__X> did you upgrade to the most recent build
[01:48] <Azelphur> no I was already on the most recent build
[01:48] <Azelphur> just my brother that wasn't
[01:48] <Azelphur> that's why I was confused :)
[01:49] <Shadow__X> when was the last time you ran the upgrade
[01:49] <Shadow__X> the release of .24 was yesterday 11/10/2010
[01:50] <Azelphur> Shadow__X: today :)
[01:50] <Azelphur> I reinstalled mythbuntu 10.10 and got straight on the repo
[01:50] <Azelphur> so it's up to date
[01:50] <Shadow__X> hmm whats weird though is that the build date is from 10/28
[01:50] <Shadow__X> thats weird
[01:50] <Azelphur> maybe the repo didn't build the new version yet?
[01:51] <Shadow__X> thats what i am thinking. Or maybe i am just reading it wrong
[01:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:58] <mrand> Sorry, I haven't read much of the scrollback, but only the PPA has 0.24 in it, not the official Ubuntu repo.  It won't be there until natty comes in for 11.04
[03:12] <tgm4883> Azelphur, don't use UK, use PPA or DE
[03:12] <Azelphur> \o/
[03:12] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, ^^
[03:52] <Shadow__X> mrand: i was referring to have an old build of .23 using the ubuntu repo
[03:52] <Shadow__X> but thanks
[08:22] <dutchgirl> hi all
[08:25] <dutchgirl> i have a problem. . . after installing mythbuntu 10.10 the system reboots, posts, then the mythbuntu load screen appears and nothing. just freezes on the screen. I've tried what i can think of; compoletely erasing teh drive and allowing setup to configure hard drive and nothing. i have installed xp mce but i hate it. i really want to get mythbuntu running. Please help me
[08:26] <dutchgirl> mce runns fine ps
[10:08] <hot_wheelz> I can't get mythbuntu 10.10 to make it passed the splash when doing a fresh install.
[10:09] <hot_wheelz> What is wrong?
[10:13] <hot_wheelz> any ideas?
[16:39] <toxic> hello guys, I can't find jamu on my mythbuntu... Not in the default repositories either... any idea on how to get jamu ?
[16:55] <chiluk> /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py
[16:55] <chiluk> I have it in mythbuntu 10.10, and I think it lived in the same spot in 9.10.
[16:55] <chiluk> toxic ^^^
[17:05] <Azelphur> gah the web panel is still broken in 0.24 :(
[17:09] <Azelphur> and by "Still broken" I mean "Worse broken£
[17:10] <Azelphur> Instead of no downloading videos with spaces in them, it appears to be no downloading of videos at all
[17:17] <rhpot1991> web panel?
[17:17] <Azelphur> mythweb
[17:17] <rhpot1991> smells like permissions maybe
[17:17] <rhpot1991> or a location out of whack
[17:17] <Azelphur> good be permissions *shrug*
[17:17] <Azelphur> s/good/could
[17:27] <Azelphur> rhpot1991: I don't think it's permissions I get 404
[17:28] <Azelphur> if it was permissions it'd be 403 right?
[18:01] <nimm-2> hi there. i am trying to install mythbuntu 10.10 on my htpc. specs are: mainboard= asus m4a88t-m, CPU= AMD PhenomII X4, RAM =KingstonHyperX 2x2G, satellite card= technisat skyStar HD2. My problem is, that after the installation, which works perfectly, and after the reboot, the monitor gets switched on and off. in the end theres nothing displayed but i am sure mythbuntu booted! btw i'm quite a noob
[19:30] <chiluk> nimm-2 you forgot to mention your video card ... that's probably more important than the rest of your listed specs.
[19:31] <nimm-2> onboard with amd880g chipset
[19:43] <nimm-2> found out that there's no driver. downloaded ati-driver-installer-10-10-x86.x86_64.run ... could this work?
[19:50] <nimm-2> controller is a ATI Technologies Inc RS880
[19:51] <thopiekar> hi
[19:52] <thopiekar> I've installed mythbuntu on an older pc and scanned successfully all channels.. but now I want to connect this pc by another pc..
[19:53] <thopiekar> I'm now here writing you from the livecd - how can I connect the pc from here?
[20:08] <Wicked> hello all. using the mythbuntu repo..whats the diff between 0.23 and 0.23.1
[20:08] <Wicked> ?
[20:08] <tgm4883> Wicked, 0.00.1
[20:08] <tgm4883> Thanks, I'll be here all night :)
[20:08] <Wicked> ?
[20:08] <Wicked> oh
[20:08] <Wicked> lol
[20:09] <tgm4883> well 0.23 has builds from 0.23 branch up until 0.23.1
[20:10] <Wicked> and whats the difference? 0.23 being pre release of 0.23 then 0.23.1 being when they offically branched 0.23?
[20:11] <rhpot1991> no, 0.23.1 is a new release
[20:12] <rhpot1991> newer than 0.23
[20:12] <Wicked> ah
[20:12] <Wicked> i didnt realize that mythtv's svn had both
[20:12] <rhpot1991> so you should choose 0.23.1 if you want latest and greatest 0.23 version
[20:13] <Wicked> yea
[20:14] <Wicked> i switched to 0.24 but its not compatible with xbmc...so i want to go back to 0.23 until it is
[20:14] <tgm4883> sorry, mgr walked up to ask me a question
[20:14] <Wicked> i nuked my db(got plenty of backups!) and gonna use 0.23 for a bit longer
[20:14] <tgm4883> there is a single branch for 0.23, 0.23.1 is a release at a point in time on that branch. Specifically when there was a protocol change (which is why there is a 0.23.1)
[20:15] <Wicked> ah
[20:15] <Wicked> gotcha! :)
[22:29] <CRU_> Can anyone help me...I have a MCE USB remote (VRC 1100) and can't get it to connect lirc (cant find correct lircd.conf to use irw) and in mythtv none of the keys with three presses (shift control _) will work.  I tried xmodmap but with three key presses still doesn't work.
[23:38] <Gibby> my .bashrc is not running at startup on my mythbuntu frontend....
[23:52] <Gibby> ok, i just did the upgrade to 0.24 on my backend and frontend, restarted both and now when i start my frontend it says: Warning: MythTV wants to upgrade your database, for the Video schema, from 1032 to 1038... it then lists my backend IP and DB name... should i do it?


[22:04] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: how much work would it be to get xfce4-session into https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ?
[22:05] <ochosi> i'll try to use session on a daily basis now - or at least i'd like to - because i feel that's a blind spot in testing 4.13
[22:05] <ochosi> so i may also start pushing patches, but for that the daily build would help (also to encourage others to test)
[22:06] <Unit193> Create a git import of that, create a packaging repo, set to build?
[22:08] <ochosi> if the answer is "yes, i can happily do that because it's almost no work" then pretty pleeeease :)
[22:09] <Unit193> I haven't set up bzr imports in a looong time.
[22:09] <Unit193> ochosi: -settings breakage: po file: dialogs/display-settings/identity-popup.glade
[22:10] <ochosi> can you point me to the exact output?
[22:10] <ochosi> or does it not tell more details
[22:10] <ochosi> cause that glade file isn't new
[22:10] <Unit193> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/420720572/buildlog_ubuntu-disco-amd64.xfce4-settings_4.13.4+git-2~2816~ubuntu19.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[22:10] <Unit193> The usual:
[22:10] <Unit193> The following files contain translations and are currently not in use. Please
[22:10] <Unit193> consider adding these to the POTFILES.in file, located in the po/ directory.
[22:14] <ochosi> ok, fixed.
[22:14] <ochosi> thanks for the hint
[22:14] <ochosi> still, i'm wondering why this built before. as i said, the file was always there
[22:14] <ochosi> (at least since 4.12)
[22:18] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/elementary-xfce-debian/revision/3 version will be higher again now.
[22:18] <ochosi> kewl
[22:19] <Unit193> Thanks, ochosi.
[22:20] <ochosi> np
[22:23] <bluesabre> :)
[22:31] <Unit193> ochosi: https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/commit/dialogs/display-settings/identity-popup.glade?id=d124fa70098c12a623a1577811a6fa92d693c5e6 You added this string with 'translatable="yes"'
[22:32] <ochosi> well thank you glade...
[22:32] <ochosi> this one really isn't helpful for translations...
[22:33] <Unit193> Nope. :D
[22:34] <Unit193> Adjusted all PPAs for eoan, bumped elementary's version (but not parole, can't push that one.)
[22:34] <ochosi> i'll remove it from POTFILES agian and drop the translateable tag again...
[22:36] <ochosi> ok, fixed...


[00:06] <roasted> software center seems to be crashing each time I try to open it.
[10:05] <darkxst> ricotz, can you chip in on Bug 1265457
[12:50] <cyberalex4life> hello !
[12:51] <cyberalex4life> I have a small problem on my laptop with Ubuntu Gnome Saucy amd64
[12:53] <cyberalex4life> usually I use an usb logitech z305 speaker for rendering sound
[12:55] <cyberalex4life> this kind of speaker has the ability to make windows automatically switch to itself after booting, rebooting or resuming from suspend/hybernate
[12:56] <cyberalex4life> but for some reason, on saucy, after resumming from suspend/hybernate it can't make the volume Fn keys have any effect on it
[12:58] <cyberalex4life> the sound resumes correctly (most of the time), but to be able to modify volume I have to open sound settings and choose it by mouse, as by default the default intern audio card is selected
[12:59] <cyberalex4life> this logitech speaker has it's own generic sound card
[13:00] <cyberalex4life> is ther a way to switch to it from command line, without using mouse?
[13:00] <cyberalex4life> or by editing some settings...
[13:00] <mgedmin> afaiu pulseaudio controls such things
[13:00] <mgedmin> I'm sure there's a command line tool that can switch default devices
[13:00] <mgedmin> might be a sub-command of pactl maybe
[13:00] <mgedmin> I'm not familiar
[13:01] <mgedmin> also, I suspect you can do something in /etc/pulse/ to tell it to prioritize your usb audio device
[13:01] <mgedmin> I believe pulseaudio should do that with usb headphones already, but I have none, so no experience
[13:02] <cyberalex4life> I saw that in ubuntu does that on headphones
[13:03] <cyberalex4life> and I used pavucontrol to select headphones or speakers, but after switching a few times I can't really tell any difference between those two
[13:03] <cyberalex4life> when listening to 5.1 system
[13:04] <cyberalex4life> anyway, pavucontrol, by itself, doesn't fix my problem
[13:06] <mgedmin> you were asking for command-line tools, so try 'pactl list short cards' and 'pactl list short sinks'
[13:06] <mgedmin> then there's pactl set-default-sink
[13:07] <mgedmin> (and pactl set-sink-port, when a single sink has multiple ports -- I think "speakers" vs "heaphones" might be two ports of the same sink)
[13:07] <mgedmin> isn't there a #pulseaudio ?
[13:07] <mgedmin> yeah, people there might give better advice
[13:11] <cyberalex4life> it still may be a problem of syncronization from gnome-settings-daemon
[13:11] <cyberalex4life> as I had one of these with the touchpad
[13:12] <cyberalex4life> that's why I looked here for an answer, but thank you anyway
[13:15] <mgedmin> a sensible assumption, but I'm pretty sure g-s-d doesn't deal with sound cards
[13:17] <Uallas> Hello World!
[17:56] <jason5> Question: Where's UbuntuOne?
[21:37] <swiss> btw, does anyone else here have a lot of freezing issues with evolution?
[21:37] <swiss> i'm not sure if it's me, or a evolution + gnome3 thing


[00:00] <valorie> howevever all files seem to be read only in spite of chowning and chmoding
[00:00] <BionicMac> the disk/partition needs to be mounted in read write when it is mounted.
[00:01] <BionicMac> Are you actually trying to write (save files to) the that disk or just copy files from?
[00:01] <valorie> since I'm trying to access it from a different drive than originally, I'm assuming that is a safety measure
[00:01] <valorie> I need to read and write
[00:02] <valorie> it certainly was read/write from my previous install on the dead ssd
[00:02] <valorie> oh shoot, I'm out of time for now
[00:02] <valorie> dinner and meeting before I'm back
[00:03] <valorie> thanks for your help so far, BionicMac
[00:04] <BionicMac> Is this a usb drive?
[00:06] <mparillo> After installing BB, my password displays in SDDM. Could that be related to the new theme?
[00:06] <BionicMac> valorie: Is this a usb drive?
[00:13] <BionicMac> valorie: Let's try this first: (make sure you are not in the directory /media/valorie/Data  then type this ->   'sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb1'
[00:20] <BionicMac> If that mount/remount doesn't work, no worries. We can explicitly give it mount points & file system type, np.
 Very clean, successful Beta 2 OEM install completed.  Moving on to manual partition....
 FWIW, successfully upgrade a 32b 17.10 session to 18.04 just for grins and the process was flawless.  (Previous attempt with 64b version were crashed for dep issues during upgrade).
 Manual partition using minimal install was also successfull.    DiD you run the 'mount remount command yet?
[04:52] <BionicMac> valorie: I can't see my irc channel log here but you should see the command in this channel window.
[04:53] <valorie> yes, I did it, and I think it's working
[04:53] <BionicMac> yup
[04:54] <BionicMac> type 'df' and paste it here. or 'df -a' and pastebin it. try to save/edit a file to your Data partition please.
[04:54] <BionicMac> I'm booted up to my first test of Kubuntu Live session beta 2.
[05:14] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2pW3sDMK57/
[05:14] <valorie> BionicMac: ^^
[05:20] <BionicMac> valorie: would you type 'mount | grep sdb' and pastebin it please? Actually it will only be a couple of lines you could paste that result here. either way. thanks
[05:20] <BionicMac> valorie: Did you test write to disk ?
[05:21] <valorie> mount | grep sdb
[05:21] <valorie> /dev/sdb1 on /media/valorietest/Data type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[05:22] <valorie> /dev/sdb2 on /media/valorietest/9e20e1ac-d8de-49a9-9243-f35f01abdb15 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
[05:22] <valorie> I will try that, sure
[05:22] <BionicMac> Youa re all good. See the (rw  <- ?
[05:22] <BionicMac> You're*
[05:22] <valorie> yes!
[05:22] <valorie> \o/
[05:23] <valorie> so why is ktorrent still fighting me
[05:23] <valorie> lol
[05:23] <BionicMac> hmmmm... I don't know that. Is ktorrent not wanting to write to that partition?
[05:24] <valorie> it keeps crashing on me instead of writing there
[05:24] <valorie> so I guess I'll install qbittorent instead
[05:25] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Beta 2] has been updated (20180404)
[05:25] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Beta 2] has been updated (20180404)
[05:26] <BionicMac> valorie: First thin you should try writing to partition. just 'cd /media/valorietest/Data && touch DELETEME && ls -la DELETEME' and see if it wrote the file DELETEME.
[05:28] <valorie> touch: cannot touch 'DELETEME': No such file or directory
[05:28] <valorie> so no
[05:28] <BionicMac> Plus you manuall remounted that partition. We should make sure the system is going to mount it properly/automatically when you boot. With the correct rw permissions.
[05:30] <valorie> well, my son should be able to help me with that within the next few days
[05:31] <valorie> but I just wanted to get up and running so I could do the beta testing
[05:31] <valorie> I won't restart until that's done
[05:31] <BionicMac> Right. Have you rebooted?
[05:31] <valorie> not since this morning
[05:32] <BionicMac> I mean I am not sure where you stand. Are you stillbooting the same OS on the machine? that awas your storage drive ?
[05:33] <valorie> I'm booting from /dev/sdb2
[05:34] <BionicMac> You sure because I show your / root partition to be on /dev/sda2
[05:34] <valorie> err,
[05:34] <valorie>  /dev/sdb1 was the Data disk from my old install from the dead ssd
[05:35] <valorie> hmmm
[05:35] <valorie> how can that be? it's the dead one
[05:35] <valorie> I think
[05:35] <BionicMac> Did you move any cables around after the disk died?
[05:35] <valorie> unsure
[05:35] <valorie> heck no
[05:36] <valorie> just tried to get up and running again
[05:36] <valorie> this is a laptop
[05:37] <BionicMac> From the pastebin output your / (root)  is "/dev/sda2" and  your boot (/boot/efi) is /dev/sda1.
[05:38] <BionicMac> In other words you are installed running and booting from the disk "/dev/sda" -  two partitions /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 .
[05:39] <BionicMac> Did you reinstall after the crash? Because that is where your system is running on.
[05:40] <BionicMac> At least that iswhat I would guess from that output.
[05:42] <valorie> well
[05:42] <valorie> huh
[05:43] <BionicMac> Sometimes it is hard troubleshoot when I can't put my hands and eyes on it.
[05:43] <valorie> unsure then why I'm missing all my data
[05:43] <valorie> yes
[05:43] <valorie> thanks for your help so far
[05:44] <BionicMac> You're quite welcome.
[05:49] <BionicMac> I'm testing the Live session beta2... So far so good. One problem child is "Kontact" I will have to file a bug and report this on my results.
[05:51] <BionicMac> valorie: I'm going to take a break. My eyes are hurting from staring at the screen today. If Idon't see you again tonight then Good Luck and I am sure you will get the laptop sorted out.
[05:51] <BionicMac> I will finish testing the live session tonight. Tomorrow I will test a full install to disk.
 gah, my screen froze
 gonna wait it out if possible
 thank you again!
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[11:01] <acheronuk> testers. FYI, you might run into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krita/+bug/1760347
[11:01] <acheronuk> so please refer to that bug in the tracker, rather than reporting a new one
[11:01] <acheronuk> thanks
[11:02] <acheronuk> duh. wrong bug
[11:02] <acheronuk> this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1760598
[11:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_labplot build #203: STILL FAILING in 4 min 55 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_labplot/203/
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:22] <mparillo> Thanks acheronuk. That is what I saw when I wrote that I had to force-power-down my VM in superceded build: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/388/builds/169585/testcases/1300/results
[13:30] <acheronuk> mparillo: thanks :)
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[15:51] <AlexZion> on kubuntu 18.04 32 bit sometime I get plasma completelly freezed, so I can still move the mouse but nothing happens hen I click everywhere, how should I do get some more info about this problem  ?, considering  that I can access this machine even with ssh using another pc
[15:55] <blaze> can be anything, you need a kernel with bfs/bfq patches
[15:57] <AlexZion> but I know exactly howw to reproduce, I men using some software always happens so If I can in some way remotelly check the status of this machine  maybe can helps
[15:59] <AlexZion> blaze:  for example trying  to open a small architectural project in blender :D
[16:00] <blaze> I think it's IO, so no other way to resolve this except BFQ
[16:01] <AlexZion> like I said now I have the desktop plasma freezed but I can still accessing by ssh
[16:05] <AlexZion> using ssh if I run top i can see that blender is stressing the CPU https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[16:05] <AlexZion> ops, sorry https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YTnp7zMjjt/
[16:09] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.8.0-3-g9af13dba * Burkhard Lück: src/org.kde.muon.desktop
[16:09] <pursuivant> Remove X-DocPath from org.kde.muon.desktop
[16:09] <pursuivant> muon does not have a docbook, therefore delete the entry X-DocPath from desktop file
[16:09] <pursuivant> Differential Revision: https://phabricator.kde.org/D11865
[16:09] <pursuivant> https://commits.kde.org/muon/9af13dba32e6e7a665ab5f156ee65ff8c6bb0da3
[16:17] <AlexZion> blaze:  I tried to run "ubuntu-bug blender" through ssh, and even if I cannot send the report because the desktop is freezed I saved the file and maybe can helps !?!, i did the same for  plasma desktop ....., should I try "track" some other package ?
[16:21] <AlexZion> otherwise blaze, how can I install a kernel with bfs/bfq patches ?
[17:06] <santa_> good evening everyone
[17:09] <BionicMac> santa_: good morning
[17:20] <santa_> you must be in a exotic timezone then XD
[17:25] <BionicMac> Or I'm just not a morning person.
[17:26] <BionicMac> =)
[17:26] <BionicMac> santa_: It's 12:26 here. I'm just having coffee.
[17:26] <BionicMac> AM
[17:26] <BionicMac> err PM
[17:27] <santa_> so 12:26
[17:27] <santa_> not 00:26
[17:28] <[Relic]> once the coffee kicks in he will figure out the am pm thing
[17:28] <santa_> haha
[17:28] <santa_> I need to reboot brb
[17:37] <santa_> acheronuk: fyi KA 2.2 alpha 1 released + my server is going to be down for some days
[17:38] <santa_> I'm awaiting for a cheap graphic card to see what's going on
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> santa_: cheap means nvidia 1060?
[17:49] <santa_> phoenix_firebrd: nvidia quadro, second hand
[17:49] <santa_> lonchafinismo extremo
[17:49] <santa_> (~ extreme thinslicism)
[17:50] <santa_> (~ being cheap as an ideology)
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[18:39] <BionicMac> I was testing "Kubuntu Live Session" on yesterdays daily (which is considered beta2 according to the qatracker). Anyone else having issues with running 'Kontact' ?  Very very slow starting up, if at all here. I'm retesting later this afternoon on testcases  "Live Session" and "Install - Manual Partitiong". Just thought I would drop here incase someone else can run Kontact and see what gives. I'll file proper on qatracker if the issue persists
[18:39] <BionicMac> on a 2nd test.
[18:39] <mparillo> Anybody else having troubles running zsync on today's ISO for Beta 2 testing?
[18:40] <BionicMac> mparillo: I will test zsync now... brb
[18:41] <BionicMac> mparillo: Deskotp amd64 image?
[18:44] <BionicMac> mparillo: running zsync now on Kubuntu desktop amd64 Beta 2 iso... against yesterdays iso...
[18:45] <BionicMac> mparillo: Well, it seems to have stuck.
[18:45] <mparillo> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[18:50] <BionicMac> mparillo: Fail.
[18:51] <mparillo> failed to retrieve from bionic-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:51] <mparillo> Aborting, download available in bionic-desktop-amd64.iso.part
[18:55] <BionicMac> Same error here. However, on another attempt it worked.
[19:03] <mparillo> I have tried from two different computers on two different networks maybe half a dozen times over the last nine hours or so.
[20:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: what time the final beta will be released?
 late tommorow most likely
[20:35] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
 @Santa cheers. will test in coming days
[21:16] <clivejo_> hi folks, anyone on Kubuntu team on this mailing list - https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdeconnect/2018-April/003494.html
[21:17] <clivejo_> apparently there is also an issue with the Debian packaging depending on plasma packaging?
[21:19] <acheronuk> clivejo_: yeah, but we removed that dep a long while ago
[21:19] <clivejo_> https://nicolasfella.wordpress.com/2018/04/04/kde-connect-tips-tricks-and-misconceptions/
[21:19] <clivejo_> in debian too?
[21:19] <acheronuk> nope
[21:19] <clivejo_> maybe Simon could look at that issue?
[21:20] <acheronuk> they are looking at it after that blog was pointed out
[21:21] <clivejo_> good stuff
[21:22] <clivejo_> kdeconnect has a lot of fixes, so would deffo be good to get into LTS
[21:23] <acheronuk> ok. I'll maybe try to talk to them tommorow
[21:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kopete build #520: FAILURE in 6.6 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kopete/520/
[21:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[23:19] <valorie> hmmm, why isn't zsync using the beta1 image I gave it
[23:19] <valorie> :(
[23:20] <valorie> I didn't solve the ro data drive so copied it over
[23:21] <BionicMac> valorie: That's a shame to lose the data.
[23:23] <BionicMac> valorie: So you didn't lose an ssd drive? I thought you lost a drive. Anyways, I guess you have you have a fresh cleanly installed system now.
[23:23] <valorie> I'll go over to my son's house this weekend so he can help me figure out what's going on
[23:24] <BionicMac> Ok great. =)
[23:24] <valorie> I can just copy the data I need for now
[23:24] <valorie> annoying, but whatever
[23:24] <valorie> gah, no i386 tests at ALL
[23:24] <BionicMac> oh great you can access the data from that partition we were working on last night?
[23:24] <valorie> much less on i386 machines
[23:24] <valorie> :(
[23:25] <BionicMac> Well, I could grab an old i386 out of my closet if it need to be done that bad.
[23:25] <BionicMac> I'll have to put one together from old hw but it can be donw.
[23:25] <BionicMac> s/donw/done/
[23:25] <valorie> I don't have any
[23:26] <valorie> so I've been doing testing on my travel laptop
[23:26] <valorie> not really good enough imo
[23:26]  * valorie goes to write to the list again
[23:27] <BionicMac> Sounds like I have another project. Lte me get through with these two tests on the new image (Install-manual paritioning & Live session) and I will start putting that i386 together.
[23:33] <BionicMac> My old machines are so old I need a seperate Wifi card. Where are all my cat5 cables....
[23:35] <valorie> now to wonder if anyone reads the ML.....
[23:36] <BionicMac> I saw your email conserning 386. An d the only email in April is you announcing the beta2 dropping.
[23:39] <valorie> yeah
[23:39] <BionicMac> s/conserning/concerning/ - man this flat thin keyboard is hard to get used to... Apple Magic KB.
[23:39] <valorie> I should have written one yesterday afternoon but for some reason got all caught up in the computer issues
[23:40] <BionicMac> It's easy to do.
[23:41] <BionicMac> valorie: So this image listed under Bionic Beaver Beta 2 on qatracker is not the official beta2? A candidate?
[23:41] <valorie> there was one mail from santa_ as well
[23:41] <valorie> it is a candidate, yes
[23:41] <valorie> could be the same as the final
[23:41] <valorie> if all goes well
[23:42] <valorie> or if they discover something serious and are able to fix, they will respin
[23:42] <valorie> so this is first-level testing
[23:42] <valorie> before the beta2 is released
[23:43] <BionicMac> Ok thanks. I'm looking for a good true dedicated server host. Any recommendations? If I go with a VPS then I already know a couple of good ones.
[23:45] <wxl> as an ubuntu member you get a discount from gandi
[23:45] <BionicMac> If I go vps I'll probably use digitalocean or linode.  Still deciding atm. I know this is offtopic but I figure this is a great place to ask.
[23:45] <BionicMac> wxl: Thanks! I will check them out.
[23:50] <BionicMac> wxl: All I have to be a Ubuntu member is the Ubuntu login account? What do I need to present for the discount at Gandi?
[23:51] <acheronuk> Kubuntu uses linode for our packaging and a KCI node. but we get that free with sponsorship. but they are good
[23:51] <BionicMac> I've had linode/digitalocean/gandi before. Really and truly they are all top shelf companies.
[23:52] <BionicMac> Those are the 3 I have narrowed it down to.
[23:53] <BionicMac> I've used VPSs at DO & Linode. Only domain and dns at Ganda.
[23:54] <acheronuk> K/Ubuntu membership requires you to apply, and demonstrate sustained significant contributions to the project. typically 6 months or more, but case by case
[23:55] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[23:56] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[23:57] <BionicMac> acheronuk: Thank you very much.


[15:09]  * jrwren shakes fist at comcast
[15:12] <cmaloney> morning
[15:59] <Scary_Guy> Why do you use ConCast?
[15:59] <Scary_Guy> Should move to an area with WoW.  I mean the best thing about them is they aren't ConCast
[17:29] <jrwren> lol @ "you should move"
[17:29] <jrwren> I think this one is the outage that will put me over the edge to move to AT&T
[17:31] <cmaloney> Um, I'd rethink that strategy
[17:31] <rick_h> I did the move to ATT, but then the speeds brought me bacl
[17:31] <rick_h> couldn't get more then 5mb up on ATT
[17:31] <rick_h> at least at my place
[17:31] <rick_h> paid for more, but they couldn't deliver it
[17:31] <cmaloney> that's like saying that you're going to show someone by jumping off of a cliff
[17:32] <cmaloney> Yeah, AT&T hasn't really kept up last I've checked
[17:33] <cmaloney> Comcast doesn't care, and AT&T's competitive response is to somehow care less
[17:36] <jrwren> AT&T has fiber in my area. I can get gigabit for ~$70/mo for first year
[17:36] <rick_h> nice
[17:37] <jrwren> I've watched them lay the fiber for the past few months. Its been available for a month or so, but I thought it was more $$$$ than it was, and I like my cheap (but still too much $$$) comcast.
[17:37] <cmaloney> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/uverse
[17:37] <jrwren> that is just gonna be people complaining about problems.
[17:38] <jrwren> no one is going to join in there and say, "I'm just so happy with my service"
[17:38] <cmaloney> Right, but it might be a helpful barometer
[17:39] <jrwren> i ask jorge, he is across town with att fiber and he loves it.
[17:39] <jrwren> although, he did say he doesn't get full gigabit no more. lots of neighbors on it and so he says its more like 400Mbit now, lol
[17:40] <cmaloney> heh
[17:40] <cmaloney> That's awesome. It's like Cable all over again.
[17:40] <jrwren> most other end sites aren't configured to send you gigabit anyway. I don't know what speedtest tells him.
[17:40] <jrwren> another buddy in another neighborhood has had his for a few months and likes it.


[06:17] <didrocks> good morning
[07:01] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:04] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:06] <seb128> lut didrocks, matinal aujourd'hui!
[07:07] <seb128> ça va ?
[07:13] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, oui, matinal :) je voudrais finir le truc Go aujourd'hui
[07:15] <didrocks> et toi ?
[07:22] <seb128> moi ça va aussi, c'est tjs le printemps aujourd'hui :)
[07:23] <didrocks> oui, 18°C aujourd'hui ici
[08:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:21] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va?
[08:22] <didrocks> ça va, et toi oSoMoN ?
[08:23] <oSoMoN> mieux, le rhume commence à se dissiper, et il fait un temps de printemps ici, c’est agréable
[08:31] <duflu> Morning didrocks, seb128, oSoMoN, world
[08:32] <duflu> or part of world
[08:32] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[08:32] <oSoMoN> how are things?
[08:33] <duflu> oSoMoN, a spike of code reviews and conflicts to deal with. Not fun. I just have to give up and leave some of it for another day
[08:33] <duflu> You oSoMoN?
[08:33] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:34] <oSoMoN> duflu, not fun indeed :/ business as usual on my end, dealing with libreoffice and chromium build/test failures, I do a lot of that these days
[08:34] <didrocks> a lot of failures ? ;)
[08:34] <duflu> oSoMoN, you are our hero
[08:35] <duflu> or one of them, to be fair
[08:35] <oSoMoN> didrocks, few failures, but too often :)
[08:35] <didrocks> heh ;)
[08:36] <oSoMoN> duflu, allow me to return the compliment, your tireless work on performance fixes makes a huge difference
[08:36] <duflu> Some day they will
[08:37] <duflu> It's glacial movement
[08:54] <willcooke> morning all
[08:54] <jibel> Hi willcooke
[08:54] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:55] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:55] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[08:56] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:56] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[08:57]  * popey glares at jamesh for a blank store page https://snapcraft.io/portal-test
[08:57] <popey> (also, good morning)
[08:58] <popey> would be nice to link to the source of that snap from the store page :)
[08:58] <seb128> hey willcooke popey
[08:58] <oSoMoN> good morning popey
[08:59] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:59] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[08:59] <oSoMoN> mieux, le rhume s’estompe, et toi?
[09:00] <seb128> un peu le rhume et qq bleus après une chute en vélo hier mais sinon ça va, c'est encore l'été aujourd'hui :)
[09:01] <Laney> ello
[09:01] <oSoMoN> I've found a place to work from, with good wifi and decent coffee, while I'm waiting for suspension to be changed on my car
[09:01] <oSoMoN> hullo Laney
[09:01] <duflu> Hallo Laney
[09:01] <oSoMoN> seb128, ouch
[09:02] <oSoMoN> autopkgtests all green for LO 6.2 \o/
[09:04] <seb128> well done!
[09:05] <duflu> Laney,  (back on the mutter proposal) I am trying to make maintenance easiest. So before switching to multiple patches to solve a single bug, would you accept one clean patch covering the diff of both? It seems that what I did for the same bug in disco
[09:06] <duflu> *that's
[09:06] <duflu> Also copying the patch directly from gitlab was an attempt to simplify maintenance :)
[09:07] <Laney> hi duflu
[09:08] <Laney> I think it's best if one Debian patch corresponds to one commit upstream, but if you don't like that then fine I guess
[09:09] <duflu> I feel that's going to create more confusion and headache here, which I assume is also your motivation
[09:09] <Laney> ...
[09:09] <duflu> Happy to make a patch that's tool-friendly though. One header per patch
[09:10] <Laney> I mean I'm happy to talk to you about why I'm saying this, but I'd rather you didn't accuse me of trying to make things confusing
[09:10] <seb128> hey Laney, how was the quiz?
[09:11] <Laney> hi seb128 (& oSoMoN too)
[09:11] <Laney> was good, we got 16/16 on the picture round
[09:11] <seb128> impresssive :)
[09:12] <Laney> it was local pubs
[09:12] <Laney> how are you?
[09:14] <seb128> I'm ok, fall with the bike yesterday at lunch and I did scratch my hand and hurt  bit my leg, nothing serious but I had to postpone the tennis match I was supposed to play yesterday evening, shame because the weather is really nice this week
[09:14] <Laney> :'(((((
[09:15] <seb128> well, it could have been worth so I'm not complaining (too much)
[09:17] <Laney> hope it doesn't bother you for too long
[09:17] <seb128> thx :)
[09:17] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[09:18] <didrocks> seb128: urgh :/
[09:19] <willcooke> my woe: Boy #2 now has Chickenpox and was awake most of the night :(
[09:19] <seb128> :(
[09:20] <didrocks> how old is he already?
[09:20] <seb128> they have a sign about it at the childcare, some kids got ir recently
[09:20] <willcooke> 3.5
[09:20] <seb128> it
[09:20] <didrocks> quite good to have this at this age though
[09:20] <willcooke> yeah
[09:21] <didrocks> my brother had it at 16, wasn't fun
[09:21] <Laney> moin didrocks
[09:21] <willcooke> We could have bought a vaccination, but it was like 130quid, and my kids aren't worth that yet
[09:21] <jamesh> with the vaccine available, better to avoid it all together if possible
[09:21] <willcooke> ha
[09:21] <jamesh> (I didn't enjoy it when I was young)
[09:21] <didrocks> willcooke: heh, price is raising up with the investement (so time and food ;)) you put in
[09:21] <didrocks> I even didn't know there was a vaccine
[09:23] <willcooke> Piriton is working well
[09:25] <acheronuk> has anyone tried installing in German lately? all the proposed language combinations on keyboard selection page look very wrong
[09:26] <acheronuk> https://i.imgur.com/L2BEk1M.png
[09:29] <seb128> acheronuk, that's probably the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1817453
[09:31] <seb128> (retitled now and rls-dd-incoming it now
[09:31] <acheronuk> seb128: thanks. I had seen that bug listed, but it sounded like they meant the whole UI from reading just its title
[09:31] <acheronuk> clearly not
[09:32] <seb128> the screenshot indicated the same issue that what you describe, the title/initial description was confusing
[09:32]  * acheronuk nods
[09:32] <Laney> good to find installer bugs in a week that's not release week :>
[09:32] <seb128> :)
[09:32] <seb128> let's see now if it gets ignored until release week!
[09:33]  * Laney was just picturing fixing it in a room in Blue Fin
[09:34] <seb128> I can confirm the bug in a french install
[09:34] <seb128> Laney, your dream can still be true :)
[09:34] <willcooke> :D
[09:34] <didrocks> if that's biggie in french, it's going to be fixed before release week :p
[09:35] <seb128> hehe
[09:35] <Laney> new rule should be that English people don't have to fix anything that is to do with foreign stuff
[09:35] <Laney> BREXIT
[09:35] <seb128> roooh
[09:35]  * seb128 reboots, brb
[09:35] <Laney> also this was on the news today https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47334374
[09:36] <oSoMoN> Laney, but you're Irish, aren't you?
[09:38] <Laney> oSoMoN: yeah, best of both worlds - ignoring things I don't want to do while at the same time having an unlimited Guinness supply
[09:39] <acheronuk> didrocks: https://i.imgur.com/FA44sSo.png
[09:53] <seb128> duflu, you can't reproduce bug #1817546 with gnome-shell 3.31 from disco-proposed?
[09:54] <seb128> it's easy to trigger here
[09:54] <duflu> seb128, no I can't
[09:54] <seb128> you use 3.31?
[09:54] <seb128> that's in disco-proposed only atm, not disco
[09:54] <duflu> seb128, oh I was testing bionic. So I have no opinion. But it's also confirmed by others already
[09:55] <seb128> right, I was just wondering why you request an apport-collect log
[09:55] <seb128> the bug is confirmed/understood, the request is just going to annoy the reporter for no benefit from what I can see
[09:56] <seb128> (also often those apport-collect tend to not be very useful since that doesn't collect the journal errors & co)
[09:57] <duflu> seb128, that was to check for extensions which is usually the problem. So my request was justified. I do answer many more bugs than I have time to reproduce. I know in this case that was the wrong answer but for the greater good, this approach means many bugs get progressed which otherwise would never get an answer at all
[09:58] <seb128> duflu, ok, fair enough
[09:59] <seb128> I personnally disagree with the method but not enough to try to convince you, let's call it personnal preference
[09:59] <duflu> seb128, oh sorry, I did test 3.31 and it works here
[09:59] <duflu> !?
[10:00] <duflu> Sounds like maybe confined to 3.30
[10:00] <seb128> k, weird, mouse wheeling scroll on the sound indicator does lock the shell here with the sound icon stucked in the middle of the screen
[10:00] <seb128> no, it's a 3.31 regression
[10:00] <seb128> that's when reports started and the version I can confirm with
[10:00] <seb128> anyway, Marco has it on his backlog so it's going to be handled, don't worry about it
[10:02]  * duflu continues scrolling volume and can't make it freeze
[10:03] <seb128> well, then it doesn't impact every install
[10:03] <duflu> seb128, it's likely my dev environment shell isn't talking to the pulse daemon properly so I might expect a freeze to be in the call to Pulse
[10:04] <duflu> the GUI appears to work even when there is no connection
[10:08] <seb128> it's blocked in a
[10:08] <seb128> #6  0x00007fdeebb1373a in ca_context_cancel () at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc
[10:08] <seb128>    anberra.so.0
[10:08] <seb128> <emit signal ??? on instance 0x7fdedc006510 [GCancellable]>0x7fd
[10:11] <duflu> <insert joke about our nation's capital>
[16:36]  * Laney sweeps up the tumbleweeds
[16:37] <willcooke> :)
[16:58] <clobrano> hey all o/
[16:59] <clobrano> soriano just accepted this MR https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/ShellExtensions/desktop-icons/merge_requests/101
[16:59] <clobrano> I wonder what's the process for accepting this change in 19.04. Is there something I can do? Like SRU?
[16:59] <gitbot> Shell extensions issue (Merge request) 101 in desktop-icons "Use GTK theme selection color for selected file-item and rubberband" [Merged]
[17:05] <Laney> clobrano: We'll get another upload of all the changes from desktop-icons git soon
[17:05] <Laney> thx for working on that!
[17:05] <Laney> (if they do a tagged release, would be nicer)
[17:09] <clobrano> Laney: great! About the tagged release, should I ping them?
[17:10] <Laney> clobrano: maybe ask if there's a plan, wouldn't want to rush them otherwise
[17:20] <seb128> clobrano, that's more of a bugfix so no need of special exception to land that in any case
[17:27] <clobrano> Laney, seb128: alright, I'll just ask :)
[19:03] <willcooke> night all


[19:34] <holmanb> caribou / meena / minimal: Thanks all for discussion last week about this cloud networking requirement we have.
[19:34] <holmanb>  A couple of thoughts:
[19:34] <holmanb> 1. "bring your own IP" is a fairly common cloud requirement
[19:35] <holmanb> 2. some clouds have decided that the implementation of this requirement involves assigning the public IP directly to an instance's interface (I'm curious if any clouds diverge from this approach)
[19:37] <holmanb> Considering 1 and 2, this requirement is probably a higher priority than my first glance afforded.
[19:40] <Teridon> I'd appreciate some advice re: workarounds for this bug :  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1999164   .  Should I just use late-commands to write the extra lines manually?
[19:40] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1999164 in cloud-init "when multiple SSH host key certificates are defined, only one HostCertificate is referenced in sshd_config" [High, Confirmed]
[19:44] <holmanb> Teridon: The workaround for that cloud-init bug falls into subiquity territory, so this probably not the best place to ask.
[19:45] <holmanb> Teridon:  However, based on a quick google of what late-commands are I'll go so far as to say: "that's what I'd try first".
[19:45] <Teridon> holmanb:  oh that make sense, my mistake.  I'll ask there.  Thanks
[19:49] <minimal> holmanb: in terms of "bring your own IP" I've only seen that mentioned in the context of someone having their own PI address space and using BGP to advertise it
[19:49] <Teridon> do you have the channel name?  Apparently it's not #subiquity?
[19:50] <holmanb> Teridon: recent addition to the FAQ page ;) https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/faq.html
[19:50] <holmanb> #ubuntu-server
[19:51] <Teridon> ty
[19:51] <holmanb> np
[19:55] <falcojr> Teridon: heh, sorry for bouncing you back and forth, but yes, I'd think that using a runcmd for now should be able to achieve that
[19:57] <falcojr> /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/50-cloud-init.conf should contain "HostCertificate /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key-cert.pub", and you could add the other ones manually in the mean time (assuming nothing else is going on with that file)
[19:59] <Teridon> so if I use a late-command to edit 50-cloud-init.conf to add those lines, when the system is rebooted (after the install), it will re-write sshd_config ?
[20:00] <blackboxsw> alternative #3:
[20:00] <blackboxsw> write_files:
[20:00] <blackboxsw> - path: /etc/ssh/sshd_config/50-cloud-init.conf
[20:00] <blackboxsw>   defer: true
[20:00] <blackboxsw>   append: true
[20:00] <blackboxsw>   content: |
[20:00] <blackboxsw>     HostCertificate /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key-cert.pub
[20:00] <blackboxsw> alternative #3:
[20:00] <blackboxsw> write_files:
[20:00] <blackboxsw> - path: /etc/ssh/sshd_config/50-cloud-init.conf
[20:00] <blackboxsw>   defer: true
[20:00] <blackboxsw>   append: true
[20:00] <blackboxsw>   content: |
[20:00] <blackboxsw>     HostCertificate /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key-cert.pub
[20:00] <blackboxsw>     HostCertificate /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key-cert.pub
[20:00] <blackboxsw> sorry late and bad paste twixce
[20:01] <holmanb> minimal: True. I guess any implementation that supports public addresses directly on the instance interface might do something like this.
[20:01] <falcojr> if it works like the other .d dirs, it'll merge in the .d contents when the service starts. That's not like a cloud-init specific dir or anything
[20:01] <Teridon> yeah sorry my brain was stuck on cloud-init and I failed to see you were just right in the sshd_config.d dir.
[20:02] <blackboxsw> better paste here if you are using autoinstall: https://paste.opendev.org/show/bpJ4w4SbZtrHIaYOHmsn/
[20:03] <blackboxsw> so the runcmd falcojr referenced would be under an  autoinstall:user-data:runcmd  key path in the original YAML referenced in that bug.
[20:03] <blackboxsw> same w/ a write_files:  key if you chose to use that
[20:04] <Teridon> awesome!  ty!
[20:05] <blackboxsw> and/or just write a separaete /etc/sshd_config.d/60-your-extra-host-overrides.conf
[20:05] <blackboxsw> the `defer: true` for write_files ensures it is late enough in cloud-init to write things after ssh config is already generated
[20:06] <blackboxsw> the `defer: true` for write_files ensures it is late enough in cloud-init to write things after ssh config is already generated. or `runcmd` is late enough by default
[20:07] <Teridon> hmm. does that "content" line have a dash? "- content: | "  ?  that's what I see from the example at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html
[20:08] <Teridon> * does==should
[20:11] <Teridon> nvm; I see I'm reading that wrong
[20:11] <blackboxsw> Teridon: no worries the content: |     indicates to YAML that it's a multi-line value below
[20:11] <minimal> holmanb: what Hetzner seemed to be doing is using their (rather than the customer's) public address space but, in order to reduce on IP address overhead (as a typical subnet approach means 1 IP is "wasted" for a gateway), they seem to be using a PtP-like approach combined with private addresses (from memory) for the gateways
[20:13] <blackboxsw> Teridon: BTW the paste I put up wasn't tested, but I **think** it should work.. you might have to specify `permissions: "0600"` in the write_files if that's what you are using
[20:14] <Teridon> blockboxsw:  I think content should be indented.  And I don't see the "append:" attribute documented
[20:15] <holmanb> minimal: +1 -> and it looks like scalaway has a similar approach, but uses a public default gateway (same public IP as the one caribou dropped in the example above)
[20:16] <Teridon> blackboxsw: ok I found docs for append https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#write-files
[20:21] <minimal> holmanb: from a quick search regarding Scaleway I note "You can configure a unique gateway for your virtual machines. In doing so, your VMs can move between your hypervisors without changing network configuration of the virtual machine" so perhaps in their case its a way to handle "funky" routing somehow for VMs that may move
[20:23] <minimal> they also talk about /32 failover IPs
[20:24]  * holmanb nods
[20:29] <blackboxsw> Teridon: a quick way to test your user-data locally if you have lxc installed: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/tutorials/lxd.html.     If you just popped off top-level `autoinstall:user-data` keys and wrote a `#cloud-config` file your-data.yaml with the top-level keys timezone,disable_root, ssh_keys, ssh_getkeytypes etc an lxc launch ubuntu-daily:focal -c user.user-data="$(cat your-data.yaml)"   you can check the lxc
[20:49] <Teridon> blackboxsw:  tyvm!  I didn't know that (lxd) existed!  That will greatly reduce my test time!
[20:57] <blackboxsw> yeah does for us too  :)
[21:10] <blackboxsw> minor PR to bump pycloudlib integration test dependencies to fix support for systems without azure-cli installed https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1908
[21:10] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1908 in canonical/cloud-init "Pycloudlib bump" [Open]
[21:42] <Teridon> the sage continues:  I used the "write_files" stanza suggested, and it does indeed seem to create the sshd_config.d/foo.conf file on my (autoinstall) test system.  However, for some reason, I had to restart sshd manually before it actually *used* that config.   If I didn't restart sshd, only the RSA cert was served.
[21:43] <Teridon> sage==saga if only I could type correctly
[21:49] <Teridon> would a "runcmd:" to restart sshd be run after the write_files part ?
[21:54] <falcojr> hmmm, runcmd actually comes before write_files_deferred
[21:55] <falcojr> you can see the order in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[21:59] <Teridon> well that's funny because I just tested adding runcmd to do a service restart and that *seemed* to work.
[22:02] <Teridon> side-note: This is what I use to test the server host certificates:  https://gist.github.com/teridon/b25c9041dc3486b3fa33a5dbbb3e1b03


[05:22] <martijn81> guys, which version of ktorrent is in intrepid currently?
[05:27] <martijn81> and what version in hardy?
[05:27] <martijn81> this should be 3.1.2 because of a mature bug in ktorren
[05:27] <martijn81> tt
[05:29] <martijn81> guys?
[05:29] <martijn81> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/255128
[05:29] <martijn81> this really needs to  be updated to 3.1.2
[05:29] <martijn81> because in 3.1.1 a cookie gets send in the announce
[05:29] <martijn81> BIG bug
[05:31] <martijn81> charles_ asac
[05:54] <martijn81> guys?
[05:54] <martijn81> are you there
[12:35] <charles_> martijn_away: I'm here but don't have anything to do with packaging ktorrent
[12:36] <charles_> martijn_away: I'm a Transmisson dev who idles here
[12:37] <charles_> martijn_away: this channel is sort of a zombie channel right now, but some messages have indicated that the players are coming back after the fall semester begins


 How do I start the terminal window in full size?
[15:39] <Spass> zincing: xfce4-terminal --maximize
[15:47] <SuperTramp83> Hi, I'm trying to install Xbuntu 16.10 (16.04 does not even get recognized by this laptop) on a Acer ES1-533-p4WC, but for the life of me, I can not manage to do it. Specifically, the installation freezes completely (keyboard unresponsive) when installing grub-efi. In BIOS I see only UEFI (no legacy BIOS) and secure boot is disabled. The machine came with Win10 preinstalled. I tried boot repair, no game, I tried manually partitioning the disk
[15:50] <xangua> Why secure boot disabled?
[15:53] <zincing> Spass: I mean, how do I change it in the menu and when using Super-T?
[15:54] <SuperTramp83> xangua: I've read it is better to disable it in order to install anything non win10 on this machine
[15:54] <xangua> SuperTramp83: did you check the "install updates online"box?
[15:55] <SuperTramp83> xangua: I tried also installing latest fedora, same behavior. Tried with a win7 dvd I borrowed. Not even that.
[15:55] <SuperTramp83> xangua:  I tried that too, yes
[15:56] <xangua> SuperTramp83: I mean if you checked it... Tried with it disabled? At least there was a bug in the installer with that option checked in 16.04
[15:56] <SuperTramp83>  xangua: I tried every possible combination, checked and unchecked.
[15:59] <SuperTramp83> xangua: I installed many GNUx distros on a lot of laptops. This is the first time I can not manage to do it. I have no idea, I'm really confused. I am starting to think this laptop was completely locked down in order to make installation of anything nonWin10 impossible. But that is just a guess.
[16:00] <xangua> I just installed Ubuntu on my very first UEFI machine, I know the feeling
[16:00] <Spass> zincing: You can change Super+T behaviour in the Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts settings, and menu entry in the menu editor (menulibre). I don't know is there a 'global' way to do that.
[16:01] <xangua> You might have better chance of help in the main Ubuntu channel or forums SuperTramp83
[16:01] <Spass> zincing: You may try to change an entry for default terminal in the Preferred Applications settings.
[16:01] <SuperTramp83> hehe, already there xangua, tx
[16:02] <Spass> zincing: Just checked, works for me.
[16:06] <zincing> Spass: Thanks!
[17:26] <xubuntu76i> Hello, I'm new to Xubuntu, I used to run windows until it went all wierd on me, could anyone please give me advice on tips and tricks to make this experience easy?
[17:30] <xubuntu76i> Hello?!?? Anyone here know english?
[17:30] <Spass> xubuntu76i: Hello. That's a very general question. Do you have any problem or issue with Xubuntu right now?
[17:31] <Spass> And remember, this channel isn't an "instant answers" machine. Please be patient.
[17:32] <GrandPa-G> I am using xfce4 via xubuntu dist. I am trying to get a wifi usb to work. It will only start working when I actually start the gui session, ie login. Any ideas how to get it to start at boot?
[17:34] <xubuntu76i> Does your computer have internal wifi?
[17:35] <GrandPa-G> no, it is a usb dongle. Works fine after I login in, just not before
[17:36] <xubuntu76i> unfortunately I'm new to Xubuntu, i've used Zorin linux for a couple years and it worked fine until I accidentally deleted the boot partition
[17:37] <xubuntu76i> I think, you may just have to keep doing it that way, not sure though, but I will however wish you all the best.
[17:38] <GrandPa-G> How do I get a autologin to work? I see instructions for lightdm conf file, but I don't seem to have one.
[17:39] <xubuntu76i> have you tried running the command in terminal? that's how I got my internal wifi working on my old laptop
[17:41] <xubuntu76i> you can do a youtube search for your problemand see if you get a hit there, I use youtube to help me solve problems all the time. Sometimesthey don't work the first time, but you may get faster help there than here.
[23:08] <andyman1> Hi. I'm trying to play sound on Xubuntu using my android phone as the audio source via bluetooth. phone -> xubuntu -> hdmi. (NOT the other way). I have the bluetooth device connected. I can see it in pavucontrol under input, I can see the audio indicator jumping around, but I can't seem to get it to play output. Could someone help?