[07:29] <pitti> doko_: lintian is fixed now, binutils is a valid candidate nwo
[07:30] <pitti> mvo: thanks for fixing software-properties!
[07:30]  * pitti fixes the aptdaemon failure
[07:48] <mvo> pitti: sure, yw
[08:01] <Mirv> @pilot in
[08:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> morning developers
[08:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi Mirv do you patch pilot today?
[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> quick question, can you see bug 1397558 ?
[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> it is a security issue, a merge from debian
[08:06] <Mirv> LocutusOfBorg1: for a bit at least, yes! no, I don't see that issue either unfortunately :( maybe it's then security team only.
[08:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> ok unmark
[08:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> can you please try again?
[08:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> bug 1397558
[08:07] <Mirv> LocutusOfBorg1: now it works
[08:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> wonderful :)
[08:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm the previous uploader, trivial merge
[08:07] <Mirv> LocutusOfBorg1: I've to disappoint though by being a mere MOTU, not core-dev :(
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> no problem, next sponsor will maybe have a look :)
[08:08] <Mirv> I'd guess so, yes
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> I was wondering if it was showing up on the queue
[08:09] <Mirv> I think it should now, after the next refresh
[08:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> yep, thanks
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <tkamppeter> mvo, hi
[08:22] <mvo> tkamppeter: hi till, sorry, haven't goten to your mail yet, working on backlog this morning though
[08:23] <tkamppeter> mvo, after some investigations the problem has chenged, now it is bug 1397750.
[08:25] <tkamppeter> mvo, the original problem is solved as the system had accidentally PackageKit instead of aptdaemon installed. After fixing that, the original problem points are solved. Now the problem is that the package ID does not get correctly interpreted when the actual installation of the package happens.
[08:25] <mvo> tkamppeter: aha, thanks
[08:29] <tkamppeter> mvo, and other functions, like the one to list the package's files understand the package ID.
[08:35] <Mirv> would any core-dev be willing to sponsor frafu's bug fix which I made a branch of? lp:~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/vivid/onboard/onboard_fix1378739_1376764
[08:36] <Mirv> bug links etc at https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/vivid/onboard/onboard_fix1378739_1376764/+merge/243259
[08:37] <mvo> tkamppeter: oh, so its just install that does not?
[08:41] <tkamppeter> mvo, yes, only this pk.installPackage().
[08:42] <seb128> Mirv, hey, I can do that
[08:44] <Mirv> seb128: thanks!
[09:28] <Mirv> pitti: could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~yuningdodo/ubuntu/trusty/usb-creator/usb-creator.lp1361474+lp1300361-recreate-udisks-client/+merge/232852 ? I've built and tested it with various cases on 14.04 now as explained in the comment.
[09:46] <Mirv> LocutusOfBorg1: yes the tcpdump security bug now is visible in the sponsoring page. meanwhile, I'll take a look/test at your earlier ettercap SRU as that's in universe.
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> Mirv, honestly I would like to see an SRU of everything is now in vivid and testing...
[09:57] <Mirv> LocutusOfBorg1: I know, but unless each of the new version's commits can fulfill the SRU criteria, it's a bit tough to sell for the SRU process.
[09:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> it has been two ettercap releases that are almost completely bug fixes
[09:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> when we have new features we usually disable them with cmake parameters, and being both debian and upstream maintainer gives me the power to be sure about it :)
[10:50] <pitti> ricotz: stable patch queue> just didn't get to that yet, but will do now
[10:55] <cousteau> what's the channel for package maintenance?  I want to ask why moonlight is not in repositories anymore
[11:05] <ricotz> pitti, hi, alright, thanks
[11:17] <pitti> ricotz: or I would if I would find an effective git invocation that does that :)
[11:17] <rbasak> cousteau: it was left unmaintained: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638565 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+publishinghistory under Oneiric.
[11:18] <cousteau> I see
[11:21] <cousteau> I think I'll better find other alternatives to Silverlight rather than trying to install an unmaintained program
[11:22] <cousteau> rbasak, thanks!
[11:48] <pitti> ricotz: meh no, that's broken
[11:48] <pitti> ricotz: current v217-stable doesn't even build -- I'll rather wait for 218 then
[11:49] <ricotz> pitti, oh, really, i just noticed the 216 and 217 tags are not pushed to the stable repo
[11:50] <ricotz> iirc there is a small script mentioned in the changelog to fetch the queue
[11:50] <pitti> ricotz: I did fetch the patches, but they cause build errors; apparently undeclared patch dependencies
[11:50] <ricotz> hmm, i see :\
[11:51] <ricotz> doesnt count for a good maintenance over there
[11:59] <pitti> ricotz: I take that back, this is due to another patch; I fix that first, and then try the stable series again
[11:59] <pitti> ricotz: anyway, last commit to v217-stable was on Nov 11, quite old already
[11:59] <ricotz> pitti, ok, although there are 50 patches on top of the release
[12:53] <shadeslayer> it's a mess I tells ya
[12:53] <shadeslayer> brr
[13:07] <mardy> jdstrand: hi! About confinement of account plugins: I didn't think about using the aa_* functions, and I went for ubuntu-app-launch2 instead (because I was looking at PayUI, and that's how they do it)
[13:08] <mardy> jdstrand: do you think I should change to use aa_change_profile() instead, and go back the previous implementation (using just QProcess)? It would be a rather quick change, so I wonder if you would recommend one method over the other
[13:19] <Mirv> @pilot out
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> sorry cjwatson you were mentioned on the changelog https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+bug/1266492 Indeed wasn't your code, but the previous one
[14:11]  * LocutusOfBorg1 thinks that monday shouldn't be a workday
[14:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> sorry again
[14:26] <balloons> mvo, ping again :-) I keep missing you. I'm curious about a couple things. 1) Multi-arch support for the click, so click build can automagically target multiple arches (using schroots?) 2) This bug seems to prevent us from being able to install from the store on x86 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1396611
[15:05] <brainwash> pitti: I've encountered https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1159117 while testing systemd 217 from proposed (backported to utopic)
[15:07] <pitti> brainwash: that shoudl be fixed in -2 (just uploaded to experimental) and -2ubuntu1 (just preparing for vivid)
[15:07] <pitti> brainwash: it's part of the v217-stable fixes
[15:07] <pitti> brainwash: backport from -proposed> livin' on the edge, eh? :-)
[15:07] <brainwash> pitti: great, I will test it later
[15:08] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/systemd from Unit193
[15:09] <brainwash> systemd is pretty stable, so I'm not that worried about using the latest release
[15:21] <didrocks> barry: hey, how are you?
[15:22] <barry> didrocks: hi, good!  and you?  i'm in a meeting atm
[15:22] <didrocks> barry: I'm good as well, thanks! feel free to answer when your meeting ends then, there is no hurry :)
[15:22] <didrocks> barry: we did have an interesting session at last UOS about "preventing people to shoot in their feet by sudo pip install" (same for rubygem) where aquarius argued heavily we should avoid those behaviors
[15:23] <didrocks> barry: to not be too intrusive (especially with sysadmins having their scripts I guess), I have in my mind the following suggestions:
[15:24] <didrocks> barry: having the ubuntu developer tools setting an environment variable like PROTECT_DEVS_USE_LOCAL, and then patching pip/rubygem to bails out by default if this env variable is set (and linking to a wiki page so that they understand exactly why and how to fix this)
[15:25] <didrocks> barry: another patch would be that "pip install" (without sudo) doesn't try to install by /usr/local by default and give a better error, I can do this as well
[15:25] <didrocks> just wanted your thoughts on this :)
[15:25] <pitti> stgraber, jodh: I believe I captured most of the work in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration as WI now; please double-check, though
[15:26] <didrocks> pitti: add grub entry to boot with upstart -> done locally at least ;) I might add some btw, like the fallback X session if you don't mind
[15:26] <pitti> didrocks: please do
[15:51] <mvo> balloons: hi, sorry, super busy, let me look at your question
[15:53] <pitti> zul: can you please look into http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python-taskflow ?
[15:53] <pitti> zul: it's uninstallable (missing python-ordereddict)
[15:53] <pitti> apw: ^ FYI
[15:53] <zul> pitti:  yep
[15:53] <apw> pitti, ack thanks
[15:54] <pitti> zul: thanks
[15:54] <pitti> doko_: btw, binutils still didn't propagate -- http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt has some uninstallabilities?
[15:55] <mvo> balloons: could you file a bug about the multi-arch clicks ? do you want to generate multiple clicks? or a single "fat click"?
[15:56] <balloons> mvo, yes a single fat click. I was successful in manually building one, and it goes into the store, installs across devices all fine. But click itself can't build it
[15:57] <barry> didrocks: my understanding is that in some (not too distant) future, pip --user will be the default outside of virtualenvs.  imo, that's the right way to go, i.e. no --user *inside* venv by default, but --user *outside* venv by default.  that should go a long way to making pip sane on ubuntu
[15:58] <barry> didrocks: i'd be very happy to consider making --user the default now-ish in debuntu
[15:58] <didrocks> barry: oh, that sounds really nice! do you want a patch for this?
[15:59] <sergiusens> balloons: building fat clicks has been possible for a while, and 'click build' works fine if you gve it the right layout
[15:59] <balloons> sergiusens, I'm happy to be informed. I didn't file a bug on it because I'm not sure how it's supposed to be happening now, or if it's not yet built, etc
[16:00] <barry> didrocks: yes!  also: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725848
[16:00] <didrocks> barry: opened, will send you something your way for debian tomorrow I guess :)
[16:00] <barry> didrocks: sounds great, thanks
[16:00] <didrocks> barry: thanks for the feedback :)
[16:01] <sergiusens> balloons: I did this really quick for the ci engine as a base template sort of thing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/uci-engine/click/view/head:/click-builder/click_builder/clickbuilder.py
[16:01] <sergiusens> balloons: feel free to use as inspiration
[16:01] <barry> didrocks: note dstufft's comment, there does need to be a way to turn off --user and actually, outside of a venv, i'd be happy if that mythical --no-user complained and exited if uid != 0
[16:02] <balloons> sergiusens, awesome thanks. I'll have a look at it after my call
[16:02] <barry> didrocks: there's also code in python-pip's quilt patches to determine whether your inside or outside a venv.  it should work for both python-virtualenv (py2 and py3) and pyvenv (py3)
[16:02] <barry> *you're
[16:02] <barry> it's been a while since i caught up on that github thread
[16:03] <balloons> so sergiusens the idea is you have chroots for each arch and this cobbles them together?
[16:03] <didrocks> barry: agreed on --no-user + complain if uid != 0 :) (and ack on the virtualenv one)
[16:05] <sergiusens> balloons: that was what I was going for; but you can't get too much into 'click' itself without breaking the concept of simple packaging
[16:05] <balloons> so I guess my question for mvo is what sort of support will be built in to click itself for this?
[16:08] <doko_> pitti, yep, known. will care about it later today
[16:09] <balloons> mvo, and when you have a moment again, I'm curious about the store bug as it's stopping installation of packages from x86 installs. Want to make sure it's filed in the proper place, etc.
[16:10] <pitti> doko_: no hurry, just wanted to keep up updated
[16:12] <bdmurray> seb128: did you find that unity-settings-daemon segfault?
[16:12] <seb128> bdmurray, we found/fixed it, but I'm concerned that e.u.c didn't register it when it was impacting every single laptop user and that we know a good number of people reported it
[16:13] <dobey> balloons: that's not an issue with the store. it's an issue with click/pkcon integration. so filing it under click is the right place i think
[16:13] <bdmurray> seb128: do you have an OOPS ID for any of those reports?
[16:14] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you have the oops id for the report you did about the usd/upower issue?
[16:17] <seb128> bdmurray, it looks like https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7689f87da805c668a249ff41702cf7706a046e37
[16:17] <seb128> bdmurray, I wonder if those just took a while to get retraced
[16:18] <seb128> though e.g pitti's one is not in that bucket it seems
[16:18] <bdmurray> seb128: there is a backlog for amd64 (a week) but we are on top of i386 (for the most part)
[16:18] <seb128> k
[16:18] <seb128> so that probably explains it
[16:19] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm submitting an RT to dump the amd64 queue again and we are moving to scaling stack for the retracers real soon now.
[16:19] <pitti> hm, do we really just have i386 traces there?
[16:19] <pitti> ah
[16:19] <seb128> do you know if the backlog is a temporary issue?
[16:19] <seb128> k
[16:19] <bdmurray> seb128: yes, temporary we haven't added any new amd64 retracers for a while.
[16:20] <bdmurray> pitti: any luck with bug 1370230 yet?
[16:20] <pitti> still swamped :(
[16:20] <mvo> balloons: would you mind filing a bug about the click build for multi-arch? just so that its tracked ?
[16:20] <pitti> and TBH with all the snappy stuff now being thrown my way it's not going to get better anytime soon, so anyone who wants to have a go at this please do
[16:21] <mvo> balloons: the install bug seems to be a issue with the packagekit backend  - it appears it tires to install the click as a deb instad of as a click
[16:21] <mvo> balloons: so thats a click-bug
[16:21] <bdmurray> pitti: alright, I'll have a look then. What about bug 1394798 for which I added a patch?
[16:21] <balloons> mvo, yes I will file a bug for multi-arch. Thanks for confirming the bug is in the right spot
[16:22] <mvo> balloons: something similar was reported some days ago
[16:22] <didrocks> shadeslayer: hey, so, we do have the transitions ppa with bluez5 (working as checked with pulseaudio) done, mind uploading bluedevil (I can sponsor you if you can't upload) there? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[16:23] <shadeslayer> didrocks: ok, I can put it on my todo for tomorrow, is that alright?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> I didn'
[16:23] <shadeslayer> I didn't realize that the transition work had been done so quickly :)
[16:25] <didrocks> shadeslayer: that's perfect, thanks! (Not everything is in yet TBH, but we did validate the base is working :))
[16:25] <ogra_> shadeslayer, just as yourself "could it be on a phone install ?" ... if the answer is yes, then you can be sure the transition is done in no time ;)
[16:25] <ogra_> *ask
[16:25] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:25] <seb128> apw, hey, dunno if you noticed bug 1377378, it seems it started with your upload on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/0.9.0-0ubuntu7
[16:25] <didrocks> ogra_: this is more desktop-centric for now than phonish TBH. Testing on the phone would be next step ;)
[16:26] <didrocks> (of course, before pushing to -proposed)
[16:26] <pitti> bdmurray: queued, I'll have a look tomorrow morning at this; you just need this in trunk, right?
[16:26] <smoser> when would i expect that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ would have a 'utopic-netboot' entry like at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[16:26] <bdmurray> pitti: correct. it likely doesn't make a huge difference, but every little bit helps.
[16:27] <smoser> i'd expect it since linux-generic-lts-utopic and friends are available in trusty (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-lts-utopic)
[16:28] <smoser> normally i ping infinity by name for such queries. ;)
[16:29] <jdstrand> mardy: hi! I'm going to point you at tyhicks on the recommendation. ual *should* be doing the right thing, but tyhicks may have more insight
[16:29] <mardy> jdstrand: OK, thanks
[16:30] <apw> seb128, hmmm nope not noticed that one
[16:30] <seb128> apw, ok, now you did I guess ;-)
[16:30] <apw> yep now i did
[16:36] <tyhicks> mardy: sorry but I'm not very familiar with how the account plugins are being confined
[16:36] <tyhicks> mardy: I'll take a look at the code and will get back to you
[16:42] <mardy> tyhicks: the code is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/click-plugins/+merge/243296
[16:48] <seb128> wgrant, hey, did you enable langpacks exports for vivid (dpm mentioned he usually pings you to enabled those)? (looking to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+language-packs suggest it's not on yet?)
[16:58] <seb128> bdmurray, I got an email about https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/e43c6a36473bb0fa132807674f9dff8bc5bbcf8e being a possible sru regression in "nautilus version 1:3.10.1-0ubuntu9.4 to trusty", but it has reports for 0ubuntu8 ... can you clear that off the list and let the update be rolled out?
[16:59] <seb128> bdmurray, do you know why the email was generated since 0ubuntu8 has reports and it's < 0ubuntu9.4?
[17:01] <bdmurray> seb128: likely because it was never reported about 9.3
[17:02] <seb128> bdmurray, k, I guess it's just random enough that that didn't happen yet
[17:02] <seb128> but it's not a regression from the change for sure
[17:02] <bdmurray> seb128: okay, I'll override it then
[17:04] <bdmurray> seb128: actually there were multiple emails about nautilus, I'll review all of them
[17:04] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks, let me know if you need more info/testing
[18:11] <tyhicks> mardy: hey - I got a chance to look at all the components involved
[18:12] <tyhicks> mardy: I think you're doing it the best way already by using ual
[18:13] <tyhicks> mardy: if you were actually spawning the process yourself then you'd need to use aa_change_profile but you're already trusting ual for so much that you might as well trust it for setting up proper confinement, too
[18:16] <tyhicks> mardy: also, if you called aa_change_profile(), then the plugin's profile would need to allow all of the stuff that libubuntu-app-launch does behind ubuntu_app_launch_start_multiple_helper()
[18:16] <tyhicks> that wouldn't be ideal
[18:38] <rharper> arges: I'm trying to test out the updated qemu package for bug 1370199,  I've got trusty-proposed enabled, when I try a apt-get install qemu/trusty-proposed it shows the right package, but doesn't actually start the install ... what am I messing up?
[18:44] <arges> rharper: i'm not sure, can you pastebin the output?
[18:45] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9333888/
[18:45] <rharper> arges: ^^
[18:59] <arges> rharper: how did you setup apt for enabling -proposed?
[18:59] <rharper> added the line from the wiki page
[19:00] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9334116/
[19:05] <arges> rharper: i just did this today and the only difference was that I added the apt/preferences to change the pin priority
[19:05] <rharper> odd
[19:05] <rharper> ok, well, lemme try the apt/prefs
[19:05] <arges> rharper: can you try teh same with qemu-kvm instead?
[19:05] <rharper> yeah
[19:05] <arges> (not that i think that would make a different)
[19:06] <rharper> that worked
[19:06] <arges> perhaps its something to do with how qemu is packaged? maybe hallyn would have a better idea
[19:07] <rharper> arges: yeah.  thanks for the tip, testing out this now in a trusty container to see if the /dev/kvm gets created
[19:07] <rharper> thanks!
[19:33] <mardy> tyhicks: thanks a lot, that's good to know!
[20:00] <cyphermox> mterry: I was wondering if you could have another quick look at the three MIRs I submitted; the packages will be looked after by the desktop team
[20:02] <mterry> cyphermox, done
[20:03] <cyphermox> thanks
[20:13] <wgrant> seb128: I see two langpacks on that page.
[20:14] <seb128> wgrant, what page?
[20:15] <wgrant> seb128: The langpack page you linked.
[20:17] <seb128> wgrant, is that an issue? I've not clue what needs to be done, dpm just hinted me that the export needs to be enabled
[20:18] <wgrant>  Full language pack: 2014-12-02 02:03:16 EST download icon
[20:18] <wgrant> The export *is* enabled, and there are langpacks there.
[20:23] <seb128> great
[20:23] <arges> rharper: so i believe bug 1292234 is an upstream issue, however the only variable that seems to cause it is using ext3 vs ext4 as the host filesystem. So this could be some obscure ext3 bug only triggered by qcow2 snapshotting...
[21:12] <rharper> arges: I saw your update ... that's quite interesting...
[21:13] <rharper> arges: it still feels someone related to extent mapping, but i'm outta my depth w.r.t ext3 vs ext4 internals
[21:13] <arges> rharper: would there be ext3 features I could tweak to isolate that?
[21:13] <rharper> I don't think those are exposed
[21:13] <rharper> ext4 allowed for delayed extent allocation (hence the feature bit)
[21:14] <rharper> which allowed for more contiguous allocations by applications
[21:14] <rharper> we're using which cache mode?
[21:14] <rharper> default?  writeback ?
[21:14] <rharper> writethrough is default (aka O_DSYNC)
[21:15] <arges> rharper: writethrough
[21:15] <rharper> I wonder if playing with the mode there matters much ... eaiser to play with if we have a reasonable reproducer -- will kick that off sometime today ; need to create an ext3 filesystem to play with though
[21:16] <arges> rharper: i also tested with latest and greatest qemu/linux and it still reproduces. so afaik this is an upstream issue somewhere
[21:17] <rharper> arges: but older qemu works ok?
[21:17] <rharper> aka, qemu-kvm 1.0 or whatever was packaged in precise ?
[21:17] <arges> rharper: i should check that out... could reverse bisect
[21:18] <rharper> right, I suspect it's related to IO flushing....
[21:19] <rharper> arges: if the recreate ever gets really reliable, there is a block io system trace which might prove interesting to compare between versions
[21:20] <arges> rharper: it seems fairly reliable... we could just set it in a loop to retry like 5 times
[21:20] <rharper> i'd be really surprised if it was an actual ext3 bug
[21:20] <arges> me too
[21:20] <rharper> more likely an application error with flushing data .. it's not like the fs is corrupt
[21:20] <rharper> rather data within the file is
[21:22] <rharper> arges: so something with trying is to use cache=directsync (aka OSYNC|ODSYNC)
[21:22] <rharper> err, ODSYNC and ODIRECT -- sync writes and no host page-caching
[21:23] <arges> rharper: i'll give that a shot
[21:32] <arges> rharper: cache=directsync still shows the failure
[21:59] <rharper> arges: interesting ...
[22:00] <rharper> very confusing why this is a ext3 only issue...


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[08:51] <bashrc> http://www.list.org/
[09:50] <BigRedS> I'm trying to build deb packages of snort; when I do ./configure; make  it succeeds (exits 0) but debuild errors out saying "cc1: all warnings being treated as errors" amongst its output
[09:51] <BigRedS> Presumably one way to fix this is to turn off that warnings-are-errors, but I can't see where this is set and why debuild does it, anyone know how to do that? Or what I should be looking for
[09:52] <BigRedS> does debuild set its own CFLAGS to override whatever the configure script does?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> it's -Werror
[09:53] <BigRedS> yeah, that's the sort of thing I've been trying to grep for
[10:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <bashrc> morning
[10:34] <BigRedS> Ah! Apparently dpkg-buildflags is my culprit!
[10:57] <Hornet> https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/benedict-cumberbatch-star-sherlock-game-thrones-crossover-090449821.html
[11:09] <BigRedS> I'm sure you're not supposed to do that past midday
[11:16] <DJones> bigcalm: davmor2 Are your peugot's petrol or diesel, if they're diesel, have you had any issues with the clutch on them, doing a bit research, I've been told that the clutch can be a bit weak because of a dual mass flywheel
[11:16] <davmor2> DJones: Diesel and my clutch is fine
[11:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:17] <bigcalm> DJones: diesel and no problem with the clutch
[11:17] <DJones> Ta, I'm getting a bit concerned about the potential cost of replacement if it fails, being told it'll cost around £1000
[11:18] <DJones> But seems to be similar on most diesels now
[11:19] <davmor2> DJones: mine iirc is knocking on 1200,000-ish the only issues I had were the rear wiper and the Joint on the drivers side I think they call it a frapp joint iirc but it is their idea of the ball joint effectively
[11:20] <davmor2> Those were particularly cheap but at the same time weren't that expensive either
[11:21] <bigcalm> That's reminded me to get a new rear wiper blade, ta
[11:21] <DJones> Cheers, I think its just a case of pick car and go for it
[11:27] <jussi> DJones: just do yourself a favour and buy a volvo
[11:28] <Laney> bah
[11:28] <Laney> I've started getting PPI scam phone calls loads in the last few days
[11:29]  * Laney finds a blacklist
[11:30] <DJones> jussi: I considered them, but they're a fair bit more expensive to buy & not as many around
[11:31] <jussi> DJones: yeah, true, but they will go for 3x as long...
[11:32] <jussi> and I've said it like a million times... "The devil lives in France - and he makes cars!"
[11:32] <foobarry> Laney: an android blacklist?
[11:32] <Laney> foobarry: ya
[11:32] <Laney> luckily they don't call from a withheld number
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> the Cantina on Mos Eisley didn't allow droids either
[11:33] <jussi> DJones: are you looking for something for the family? or?
[11:34] <DJones> jussi: Volvo's have the same clutch replacement pricing issue
[11:34] <DJones> Yes, family estate, dog in the back, caravan on the back etc, probably Peugeot 407/Mondeo/Insignia estate
[11:35] <foobarry> Laney: was unaware of blacklists for adnroid, please let us know what you find
[11:35] <Laney> foobarry: I went to the call log, clicked on the number, pressed the menu button and there was "Add to blacklist" in there
[11:35] <Laney> running cyanogen though
[11:36] <jussi> DJones: as much as I generally hate ford, the mondeo is an excellent car for that kind of thing. I have several friends who are very happy with them
[11:37] <foobarry> i have my own blacklist, but wondered if some nice people ditribute one
[11:37] <jussi> DJones: on the other side of things, have you considered a Skoda?
[11:37] <foobarry> that i can use on the android
[11:37] <xplora1a> put you phone number on the Direct Marketing Association do not call list http://www.dmaconsumers.org/cgi/offtelephonedave/
[11:37] <foobarry> good luck
[11:37] <DJones> jussi: The Mondeo was my first choice originally, then various people said not to get one, but I'm looking more at them now that every car seems to have the same issue
[11:37] <foobarry> i get spammed my ppl all day long, with no regard for do not call list
[11:37] <bashrc> I have a special hate of telemarketers
[11:38] <bashrc> do not call can sometimes be effective, but given the global nature of spam not always
[11:38] <DJones> jussi: I looked at the skoda octavia, but a bit light for what I may want to tow in future so had to forget that
[11:39] <jussi> DJones: really? that would suprise me....
[11:39] <xplora1a> oops this is the right link for the tps http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/index.html
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25222891
[11:40] <DJones> jussi: Yeah, surprised me as well, they're a bit limited even though they win tow car of the year awards from most places
[11:40] <jussi> DJones: the 2.0TDI is a very good motor, Im a bit suprised tbh
[11:41] <jussi> DJones: you should just import a V8 commodore from australia :D
[11:41] <DJones> jussi: From the skoda website The ŠKODA Octavia’s 1,330kg kerbweight makes it the lightest overall winner in the seven-year history of the Tow Car Awards. That means it’s best suited to pulling relatively light tourers
[11:41] <jussi> DJones: and have you considered a town truck? (city 4WD) ?
[11:42] <DJones> jussi: Should go back to my Sedonna, that could probably tow an articulated lorrey
[11:42] <DJones> jussi: Don';t want 4WD because of the fuel consumption
[11:44] <jussi> DJones: I still highly suggest a V70 ;) (or XC70)
[11:44] <DJones> :)
[11:44] <jussi> DJones: i had an S80 for some time - was fantastic
[11:45] <jussi> DJones: Ive seen many a V70/S80 that happily go for 700 000km
[11:46] <DJones> I can believe it, volvos are pretty much bomb proof
[11:46] <jussi> I guess that is why they are a bit more expensive
[11:46] <jussi> DJones: do you like motorsport at all ?
[11:47] <DJones> Not anymore, I used to, but gave up on F1, only ones I may watch now are Indycart or Nascar
[11:47] <jussi> if you havent seen this... was awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFRS5r2g8E
[11:50] <DJones> Nice, I used to watch the Bathurst races, they were always good for "incidents"
[11:51] <jussi> I love the V8 supercars - especially as they have added mercedes, volvo and nissan to it
[11:53] <DJones> What was the big Holden supercars that used to get raced? GTS/GTR?
[11:54] <DJones> GTS
[11:55] <DJones> Used to do the accounts for an 'exotic car' importer & he had one in, took me for a ride in it, that was a hell of a car
[11:58] <jussi> DJones: i went in a mclaren at 3 sisters a few weeks ago, that was fun
[11:59] <DJones> jussi: Sounds good, I've been on OUlton Park in the old Escort RS's and single seaters, thats quite fun
[12:30] <Hornet> [12:09] <BigRedS> I'm sure you're not supposed to do that past midday
[12:30] <Hornet> it was before
[12:33] <BigRedS> Not according to my client :) But I don't have the logs here now
[12:36] <Myrtti> oh, obviously that wasn't the april fools
[12:37] <Myrtti> april fools was that we bend time and posted that actually 12 hours prior
[12:46] <MooDoo> afternoon all :D
[12:50] <MooDoo> quiet in here today
[13:01] <nigelb> hi MooDoo
[13:10] <brobostigon> afternoodlings MooDoo
[13:19] <foobarry> glad to hear that nuts mag is dead
[13:20] <foobarry> now for zoo
[13:28] <MooDoo> can't say I ever read it, although I do prefer the old sunday sport :D  that's real.
[13:28] <MooDoo> ;)
[13:34] <popey> I dont think I've ever seen inside Zoo or Nuts
[13:37] <foobarry> popey: me neither, but the front cover is sufficient
[13:39]  * bigcalm tuts
[13:58] <foobarry> can you edit a docx file uploaded to google docs?
[13:58] <foobarry> >>yes , but you have to right click and choose editor instead of viewer :S
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> only if you convert it first
[14:00] <foobarry> what a faff
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> nah, it only edits its own format
[14:01] <foobarry> not very intuitive as to what is happening though
[14:13] <foobarry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1215513
[14:13] <foobarry> fixed or not?
[14:15] <foobarry> join #elementary-dev
[14:16] <foobarry> woops
[14:17] <mapps> hey
[14:47] <foobarry> is now zrammed up
[14:51] <daftykins> foobarry: now we know you're a double agent for elementary! ;)
[14:53] <foobarry> :P
[14:53] <dwatkins> Professor Elemental? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
[14:56] <mapps> zrammed?
[14:57] <dwatkins> our IT guy sent around a mail about training for MS Outlook, Sharepoint etc. - I asked if it was an April fools' joke.
[14:57] <daftykins> :D:D
[14:57] <daftykins> was it not?
[14:58] <dwatkins> it was serious
[14:59] <daftykins> d'aww
[14:59] <daftykins> sharepoint ugh
[14:59] <dwatkins> yeah
[15:01] <daftykins> i remember when i was teaching at my old College, this new lecturer was desperate to move us to using it for department shared documents like grade tracking and so on
[15:02] <daftykins> but i liked just having it on a network drive =|
[15:02] <daftykins> especially as i used to work in their IT support dept. so i knew sharepoint wasn't backed up ;D
[15:13] <mapps> u were teaching? cool
[15:13] <daftykins> just briefly to help out an old College of FE yeah
[15:13] <mapps> cool
[15:14] <daftykins> (further education)
[15:14] <daftykins> gotta stop assuming people know it, heh
[15:14] <daftykins> to this day peeps come up to me and go haaaaaai Dave, at random gigs and stuff across the island, only i may not even know them
[15:14] <mapps> i knew it
[15:14] <mapps> from school?
[15:15] <daftykins> nah like ex students and stuff
[15:15] <daftykins> from said College time
[15:20] <mapps> ah
[15:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7fx2r188oaeh66/lappy.JPG
[15:37] <daftykins> blast from the past
[15:44] <dwatkins> both the phone and the laptop, yeah
[15:45] <daftykins> :>
[16:12] <mapps> :)
[16:13] <mapps> what yiu doing with that
[16:15] <daftykins> just digging out some old pictures from years ago
[16:15] <popey> heh, i do that now and then
[16:15] <daftykins> i had that when i was a student in said college ~2003
[16:16] <daftykins> bought the Dell from ebay for £140 :D
[16:16] <popey> i go back and find pictures I took on this day some years back and then post them to family on fb
[16:17] <daftykins> thats neat
[16:18] <popey> wow, time flies
[16:18] <popey> found a picture of Sam (who would have been 4 at the time) playing a game on my ipad 1st gen
[16:18] <popey> he still plays it
[16:18] <daftykins> :)
[16:19] <daftykins> hrmm, those earlier iPads and what not that have been ditched from iOS updates, would they still contain that big SSL bug?
[16:19] <popey> mine is on ios5
[16:19] <mapps> ive got the ipad air:D and nexus7
[16:19] <dwatkins> iOS 5 never had that bug, it's only iOS 6 that did.
[16:19] <daftykins> ah i see
[16:19] <daftykins> and 7
[16:20] <dwatkins> http://www.iphonehacks.com/2014/02/fix-ssl-bug-without-upgrading-ios-7-0-6-ios-6-1-6.html
[16:20] <popey> the oldest photo I have in my collection is from 1999
[16:20] <popey> wifey at the airport before I took her on holiday and proposed ☻
[16:20] <daftykins> 8D
[16:34] <bigcalm> Aww
[16:55] <mapps> rejecte dagain
[16:55] <mapps> 2nd ballot for tickets to bayern v united
[16:55] <mapps> ;/
[18:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8i16eae5050qx8w/zelda.png
[18:21] <daftykins> aww yeah
[18:51] <DJones> popey: You around?
[18:51] <DJones> Never mind, an ops was needed in on-aire
[18:53] <popey> surprised jono let that go on as long as he did
[18:56] <DJones> I'm not in the channel so didn't see what was happening, maybe look at logs next time they update
[18:58]  * DJones wonders why software updater doesn't notify me of updates with 14.04
[18:59] <DJones> popey: Seems like they're back and you have ops
[19:12] <diddledan> dear lord these are nuts: http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/if-you-want-laughs-and-to-feel-a-bit-sick-you-should-follow
[19:12] <diddledan> photos from crap taxidermy's twitter
[19:23] <daftykins> diddledan: excellent find
[19:45] <mapps> hmm
[19:45] <mapps> cant access my webs erver externally and the ports are forwarded
[19:45] <mapps> and no iptables rules
[19:48] <daftykins> daemon stopped?
[19:48] <mapps> na
[19:48] <mapps> its this zentyal
[19:48] <mapps> causing trouble
[19:48] <mapps> cant seem to get rid of it now
[19:49] <directhex> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191275/ is the apparmour log moan
[19:51] <mapps> hmm
[19:52] <mapps> https://<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:52] <mapps> works
[19:52] <mapps> but normal wont
[19:54] <daftykins> sounds like your default site has been edited
[19:54] <daftykins> under apache config
[19:55] <mapps> sec
[19:55] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191300/
[19:55] <mapps> i wanna get rid of zentyal and nginx i dunno how now..i added their repo and installed but just cant get t to go
[19:56] <popey> directhex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1298021 same as me right?
[19:57] <directhex> yes
[19:58] <mapps> any ideas daftykins?
[19:59] <popey> directhex: checked with security bod, it's on his list, it will be fixed
[19:59] <directhex> ok, great
[19:59] <directhex> next on my list: convince gnome to stop being hidpi
[20:04] <daftykins> mapps: were you always using nginx?
[20:05] <daftykins> mapps: surely just remove the packages? :)
[21:02] <bigcalm> New Humble Bundle is out. Only really interested in 3 items in it though: Droken Sword 2, Bridge Constructor and Type:Rider
[21:02] <bigcalm> Likely to give away the other 3 titles
[21:05] <popey> ooh
[21:06]  * bigcalm also buys Goat Simulator
[21:10] <bigcalm> Planet Explorers looks nice
[21:10] <diddledan> that goat stimulator looks .. erm .. weird
[21:11] <diddledan> I'm not sure I quite understand the concept
[21:12] <diddledan> is it "you're a goat. now go get killed in the weirdest way possible"?
[21:35] <daftykins> diddledan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3YyOMqqMDg
[21:35] <daftykins> warning NSFW ^
[21:35] <daftykins> not safe for human consumption
[21:36] <daftykins> rude language, etc.
[21:44] <dwatkins> "Any key?! Where's the any key?!" - Home Simpson
[21:44] <daftykins> exactly :D
[21:45] <Seeker`> All this computer hacking is making me thirsty, I think I'll start a tab
[21:45] <dwatkins> If you want a tab pal, you gotta buy something!
[21:45] <dwatkins> (that was a quote from Back to the Future)
[21:45] <Seeker`> (mine was from simpsons :P)
[21:46] <Seeker`> followed by "Ooh, no time now, its starting"
[21:46] <Seeker`> I think
[21:46] <daftykins> http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple/v4/5e/89/1a/5e891af6-22cc-e33a-2772-ed579dfe1534/mzl.oojxehsl.png
[21:46] <daftykins> i got this for you
[21:47] <dwatkins> Why does tab have two arrows on it?
[21:47] <Seeker`> you can make text go either way with it
[21:47] <bigcalm> Tab goes to the right. Shift+tab goes to the left
[21:47] <daftykins> perhaps it's to refer to countries that write from right to left :D
[21:48] <dwatkins> ah yes, of course
[21:48] <bigcalm> I don't think that's it
[21:48] <dwatkins> and ctrl-tab goes to the next tab...
[21:48] <dwatkins> ...and ctrl-shift-tab takes you to places you can only imagine
[21:49] <daftykins> like from www.zombo.com
[21:49] <bigcalm> http://imgur.com/gallery/ltMAjH1
[21:50]  * bigcalm slithers off to bed
[21:51] <dwatkins> bigcalm: that's ace, reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP4fWMLofvo
[21:52] <diddledan> how does that imgur work?!
[21:52] <diddledan> ah hah
[21:53] <diddledan> it's not clever at all - they just screenshotted the comments and pasted that at the foot of the image to make it appear clever
[21:53] <daftykins> :P
[21:53] <daftykins> a good effort nonetheless
[21:53] <daftykins> even if it is still a major timewasters website
[21:55] <diddledan> I'm guessing they posted this in advance of 1st april: http://imgur.com/blog/2014/03/31/introducing-imgur-viralizer/
[21:57] <dwatkins> The URL kinda gives that away ;)
[21:57] <diddledan> well my point was that the url says march 31st which is, to the best of my knowledge, not april fools day
[21:58] <dwatkins> It is in Australia...
[21:58] <diddledan> yeah, but it's also winter there
[21:59] <dwatkins> indeed http://peasandcougars.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/is-winter-coming-flowchart.jpg
[21:59] <diddledan> (or will be once we can get rid of the effects up here)
[21:59] <diddledan> lol
[21:59] <dwatkins> It must be really strange to see people dressed as Santa Claus / Father Christmas in the height of a blazing summer.
[22:00] <dwatkins> Also, a fire hazard around the bar-be-que.
[22:00] <diddledan> he should have a summer version for the upside-downers
[22:00] <diddledan> sports shorts and a vest
[22:01] <dwatkins> I think I need a better graphics card for my windows - the draw distance is really low when I look outside.
[22:02] <diddledan> o_O
[22:02] <diddledan> the backlight has broken on my window
[22:02] <daftykins> >:)
[22:02] <daftykins> i find nature needs to upgrade the sea since GTA V came out
[22:03]  * diddledan wonders how AlanBell is getting on with the libertos cluster
[22:04] <diddledan> once ubuntu/libertos is compiled I suggest retasking the pis to world domination activities
[22:18] <daftykins> diddledan: skynet becomes pinet?
[22:19] <diddledan> that's a clever parallel
[22:19] <daftykins> ;)
[22:19] <diddledan> I like :-)
[22:21] <diddledan> just been watching this: https://www.meteor.com/screencast <-- I'm worried by their seeming lack of authentication requirements to access the database backend - it seems that anybody driving-by an app can arbitrarily add and remove stuff from the database
[22:40] <daftykins> all beyond me i'm afraid
[23:25] <dwatkins> http://xkcd.com/327/ explains all