[00:22] <wileee> TJ-, Thanks for explaining the dependency fun we have, I knew I could not make it truly clear to them.
[00:28] <TJ-> I'm still a bit cloudy on it sometimes, just when I think I know what is going on something jumps out
[00:29] <TJ-> I make a lot of use of "apt-cache {depends,rdepends}" and also "debfoster" which helps visualise the dependency graphs
[00:33] <Bashing-om> ^^ then there is also 'rmadison' .
[00:35] <TJ-> Yes, which generates listings that match the archive format
[00:39] <wileee> never really needed so far than to understand you're first abcd analogy, heh, works for me but I know it's complex
[00:42] <TJ-> apt has the concept of auto-installed vs manual installs. Something is auto-installed if it came in via being depended upon by some other package. That dependency tree could be arbitarily deep, so A > B > C > D, D is installed due to C, which is installed due to B, which is installed due to A. A is manually installed (specifically asked for by the user) the others are auto-installed and therefore
[00:42] <TJ-> candidates for autoremove
[00:43] <TJ-> However, there might also have been B > X > D , so removing C shouldn't make D a candidate for auto-remove
[00:44] <TJ-> That's where it gets complicated and confusing
[00:54] <TJ-> On this note, is why when moving installed package lists between systems/releases, I always suggest using 'debfoster' not 'dpkg --get-selections' because debfoster only lists those packages manually installed, and therefore when those are installed on a target system the auto-install dependency is recreated. With "dpkg --set-selections" every package is set to manually installed and that graph is
[00:54] <TJ-> lost, and so autoremove cannot work
[00:58]  * daftykins 's brain explodes
[00:58] <daftykins> :D
[01:00] <TJ-> Ain't packaging great!?
[01:02] <Bashing-om> ^ However, there was a time before 'dpkg' and package manager . ouch !
[01:03] <daftykins> heh yeah i don't know if i'd ever be truly bored enough to try an LFS install ;)
[01:05] <TJ-> Yeah, installing was fun back then
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-daily-build-now-available-for-download-495391.shtml
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> hi ruenoak
[05:47] <ruenoak> hello how are you
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> fine fine
[11:26] <Ben64> popey: so when do we get new kernels without rebooting
[11:27] <popey> -> #ubuntu-kernel :)
[11:27] <Ben64> hey you're not even there
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> good evening from xenial
[14:01] <wileee> morning here on deh west coast
[14:01] <wileee> not on but from
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hi wileee
[14:02] <wileee> got my nasty folgers quick mix coffee, stuff is horrible
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> wileee: there is also regular coffe you know :p
[14:04] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, xenial.  meh.  the name just is not growing on me.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: lolll, get aquinted with the squirells
[14:05] <EriC^^> xenial.. sounds very metropolitan heterosexual type of thing
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ lsb_release -a
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> No LSB modules are available.
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Description:	Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch)
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Release:	16.04
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Codename:	xenial
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> lol EriC^^
[14:05] <EriC^^> nice
[14:06] <wileee> ah metrosexual
[14:06] <EriC^^> yeah, that's the word ;)
[14:06] <cfhowlett> screw it.  next series: starwars names.  first stop: P:  Pragmatic Palpatine.
[14:06] <wileee> what ever that is lol
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> thats when you have sex in the metro?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: much better name :p
[14:06] <EriC^^> wileee: you know, the guys that are hetero but like to say words starting with a zzz
[14:06] <Ben64> didn't know 16.04 iso was ready
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: im on daily
[14:07] <Ben64> yeah i found it
[14:07] <EriC^^> it waz zooo delizouzzzz
[14:07] <Ben64> cmon internet, download faster
[14:07] <Ben64> so slow :(
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: sudo do-release-upgrade -d from wily does also the trick
[14:07] <wileee> lol, ah, I see them daily in portlandia the hipters
[14:07] <wileee> hipsters*
[14:07] <Ben64> 3d045a|OK  |    23MiB/s|isos/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:07] <Ben64> there we go
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> yayyy
[14:07] <cfhowlett> "Hirstute Hipsters" ...
[14:08] <wileee> heh
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: you should brainstorm next release codename mate
[14:08] <cfhowlett> Hey, if they'd only let me ...
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ok now lemme get a nice wall here instead of those horrible wily ones :p
[14:10] <EriC^^> yeah wily walls ... *shakes head*
[14:10] <Ben64> 16.10 Yummy Yak
[14:10] <EriC^^> haha, i was looking at adjectives and animals too
[14:11] <EriC^^> yak -> https://dspace.library.colostate.edu/bitstream/10217/54408/1/Garst_18848.jpg
[14:11] <Ben64> i can't find any other animal that isn't "Yellow-*"
[14:11] <Ben64> so yak it is
[14:11] <Ben64> i guess it could go legendary though
[14:12] <Ben64> Yummy Yatagarasu
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:13] <Ben64> already had jackalope
[14:15] <wileee> heh yak is yummie in some area, specially with a nice white wine garlic butter sauce
[14:15] <wileee> I think some people eat the yak is all
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> in tibet probably
[14:16] <wileee> not that there's anything wrong with that, yeah tibet I think
[14:16] <cfhowlett> yak.  wine.  garlic butter.  hmmmm.
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> and some xerus with xenial sauce desert
[14:17] <wileee> yak is probably gamey a little light huh
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Fabulous Fava / Chivalrous Chianti
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> magnificent merlot
[14:18] <cfhowlett> Monomaniacal Mark
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> wahaha
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> one day he will join here incognito...
[14:19] <Ben64> hungry hippo :(
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> my god, webbrowser-app goes fast on xenial
[14:23] <EriC^^> which kernel does it have?
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ uname -a
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TB0X 4.2.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 8 15:35:06 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> softpedia announces 4.3 for xenial
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-to-be-powered-soon-by-linux-kernel-4-3-rc7-495416.shtml
[14:25] <EriC^^> nice
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: afternoon
[14:31] <TJ-> hey ho :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:33] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: do-release-upgrade -d did the trick from wily tnx
[14:35] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, right , seems Xenial is relatively stable, moreso than Wily was in early days. Probly because plasma 5 was still so unstable for us KDE users
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah i already like it right now :p
[14:37] <BluesKaj> is ubuntu using mir exclusively yet , no more X11?
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> i think in 16.10 BluesKaj
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> unity 8 and mir
[14:39] <BluesKaj> right , I may try it out when the time comes
[14:40] <TJ-> The 16.04 archive is basically the 15.10 archive right now
[14:43] <TJ-> Package: unity .... "Version: 7.3.2+15.10.20151016-0ubuntu1"
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> yep
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> !info unity
[14:45] <BluesKaj> well, gonna speed up my old pc with this when it arrives Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-75E250B/AM)
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> nice nice BluesKaj
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> gona rocknroll
[14:46] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, oh noooo .. too fast man
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:46] <OerHeks> and you will need a converter kit 2.5 " <> 3.5 "
[14:47] <BluesKaj> yup i have one OerHeks
[14:48] <BluesKaj> included in the order
[14:48] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, and i missed the sounds of the hardware .. tip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_RHdE7zsc
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , my old HDD is making odd buzzing noises, hope I can dd the partitons to the ssd before the hdd dies
[14:52] <TJ-> BluesKaj: if in doubt, use ddrescue not dd
[14:52] <BluesKaj> this pc is 2008 vintage
[14:53] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yeah thanks, I'll keep that in mind
[14:54] <BluesKaj> it quiets down after about 10 mins ..weird
[14:56] <TJ-> BluesKaj: that suggests the spindle is wearing out
[14:57] <BluesKaj> yeah, bearing
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> http://oi68.tinypic.com/sm4z0g.jpg
[14:59] <BluesKaj> no biggie, it's the drive with 16.04 ands 14.04 ...all the media and family stuff is on a newer less used drive
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> my old old AMD3200+ with 8gig transcend SSD 64bit Xenial
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> rocketfast
[15:03] <BluesKaj> this is an HP amd 5200+ dual core cpu with 6G Ram so i'm hoping the new ssd speeds things up some
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> sure mate
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> the 850 is a bomb
[15:04] <BluesKaj> price was right
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: let me know if you got it up n runing ill share you ssd tweaks
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: also make sure your firmware is up to latest before you install
[15:05] <BluesKaj> cool , lotuspsychje thanks ..supposed to arrive on Monday
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> great
[15:07] <BluesKaj> wife has the same pc and she's a gamer ...thinking an ssd might help her pc as well
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> it surely will :p
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: what kind of games she in?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> W7 tho...afraid of Linux, but her games are aturbine and they haven' t ported toi linux
[15:08] <wileee> an ssd on my old dualcore atom, toshiba laptop makes it run very nice
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Turbine , LOTRO and DDO
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: did you see shadow of mordor on linux?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> lookin nicely on steam
[15:09] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yes, i mentioned it to wifey ..she's probly gonna check it out
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> wileee: wich brand?
[15:13] <wileee> lotuspsychje, crucial m4
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> wileee: your the one on arch right?
[15:14] <wileee> 256 gigs nah
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> wileee: wich distro
[15:14] <wileee> ubuntu and W10, I've run all major OS those though
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:15] <wileee> The windows I don;t really need now, was fer college, lol
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> thats for each one to decide, no judgement here
[15:16] <wileee> ;)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> W10 didn't do much for me, stayed with W7 on it's own hdd rescued from a pc with a dead mobo
[15:17] <wileee> I mentioned this before, but when I returned to school just happened to get ubuntu never had a computer before so it seems like home really
[15:18] <BluesKaj> wileee, interesting, linux from the start :-)
[15:18] <TJ-> After years with Windows, Linux was like coming home, as well
[15:19] <wileee> I knew no better
[15:19] <TJ-> I starte before Windows was a thing, so I've gone full-circle
[15:19] <BluesKaj> think most of us were windows ppl
[15:19] <TJ-> s/starte/started/
[15:19] <TJ-> I still remember Windows 1.0 on an Apricot Zen PC
[15:20] <TJ-> Tiling; no overlapping windows, max 16 colors :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> started with pcs on the job , never thought a home pc was in my future till the internet became available
[15:20]  * lotuspsychje enables wobbly windows on xenial, if i fall away compiz needs reb00t
[15:21] <wileee> the wobbly cube was cool at one time
[15:21] <TJ-> New toys :)
[15:21] <wileee> however many sides you could fit
[15:21] <TJ-> eventually folks realise they're distracting
[15:22] <wileee> it's like watching the moth at the light, you root for them but know their fate, a total waste of time
[15:23] <TJ-> I've got KDE5 here, white-on-black colour scheme. amazing how much more usuable it is without all the distractions and especially without glaring white background colour for windows
[15:23] <TJ-> There goes lotuspsychje ... out that wobbly window!
[15:23] <BluesKaj> I think my Windows user friends were most with Linux desktop tricks was the pager/virtual desktops and cube animation
[15:24] <BluesKaj> impressed that is
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> wobbly active :p
[15:24] <TJ-> One thing I've noticed over the years... those folks that spend hours/days with desktop themes... and I ask them "but once you open a program window you can't see any of it, so what *good* is it!?
[15:25] <TJ-> >>> There goes lotuspsychje ... out that wobbly window!
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> will compiz still be active on MIR?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> http://askubuntu.com/questions/293718/can-we-use-compiz-or-kwin-on-mir
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> seems like not
[15:27] <JanC> impossible
[15:27] <BluesKaj> I use a pretty plain jane theme ,. but I still like blue titlebars and marble colours, easy on the eyes
[15:27] <JanC> well, in theory you could run it on a full-screen XMir maybe
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> JanC: does that mean no more compiz effects on mir?
[15:28] <JanC> once that works reliable
[15:28] <JanC> lotuspsychje: obviously
[15:29] <JanC> there will be some other effects, I guess
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> so, they took away my bottom dock on gnome, now they take away my wobbly windows sniff
[15:30] <JanC> you can always run Compiz on Xorg
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> lets see what the future will bring
[15:31] <TJ-> "convergence" according to Canonical
[15:31] <JanC> Compiz+Mate+Xorg will keep working for some time
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah that mate gold edition video is nice lol
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/superb-ubuntu-mate-gold-edition-proposed-by-user-video-495315.shtml
[15:33] <JanC> BluesKaj: virtual desktops have existed on Windows since the 1990s  ;)
[15:34] <TJ-> Mir is just the display server, its whats on top controls the 'bling'. It looks like multi-monitor will lose out in a  big way if xorg is deprecated
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: sounds like a lot of work
[15:35] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: multi-monitor is straightforward if it is designed in from the start. The problem is most design was done with a phone as the target
[15:35] <JanC> TJ-: I thought multi-monitor is partially implemented in Mir now?
[15:36] <TJ-> JanC: partially, maybe, but not usable in anything but simple single-GPU, dual-monitor scenarios
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah ubuntu-touch has alot of influence these days
[15:38] <JanC> TJ-: although maybe what I read was about a branch being merged into the main repo, so that might not be available unless you compile from source  :)
[15:39] <TJ-> A good multi-monitor experience means the WM/DE and applications MUST be able to know about the GPU/monitor layout and work with it. Most of the multi-monitor issues are because that data is no available to them. E.g. on KDE5, it will run across multiple X-screens with multiple GPUs and monitors, but the kwin/plasma support is broken and so plasma will ignore its own saved settings for the per-screen
[15:39] <TJ-> config it wrote, and cursor on anything but the primary X screen is the Xserver default X not a pointer
[15:39] <TJ-> currently, 14.04 with KDE4 is the best supporter of such configs
[15:41] <TJ-> If I start KDE5 on my 3-GPU, 6-monitor, 4 X screen config I can only use/work with the first 2 X screens... greeter gets lost, lock screen doesn't, cursor disappears if I move it to X screen 2+, and the list goes on
[15:43] <TJ-> eeek! best run the dogs whilst the rain has stopped!
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> or someone gonna get soaked
[15:49] <BluesKaj> we have the remnanats of the patricia hurricane passing over atm, some rain so far , but not much wind
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> !info tweepy
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> johnny_linuxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[17:25] <johnny_linux> woohoo
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:25] <johnny_linux> vue vel tell us
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> yes!
[17:26]  * johnny_linux is on the telly , brb
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: did you see my tinypic xenial wally :p
[18:50] <EriC^^> nope
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: can you scroll up and paste to me plz im on another machine :p
[18:51] <TJ-> Grief! I read that as tiny xenial willy!
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> loool
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: if i had a pic of that, it would be too small to show you :p
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: [14:58] <lotuspsychje> http://oi68.tinypic.com/sm4z0g.jpg
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> got it
[18:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: you need a bigger camera :)
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: howso
[19:02] <TJ-> "Objects in the viewfinder may appear larger than in reality"
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: its a 24" display too =p
[19:03] <TJ-> Not saying another word!
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> good evening daftykins
[19:05] <daftykins> heya!
[19:05] <TJ-> God's here!
[19:07] <daftykins> so help you all if i were a deity, my my
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:07]  * lotuspsychje kneels down for the irc gods
[19:08] <TJ-> You don't have to be omniesscent or whatever, part-time will do
[19:08] <daftykins> ah ok
[19:09] <TJ-> As long as you can conjure up decent chips :)
[19:09] <daftykins> mmm chips
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:09] <daftykins> annoyingly my nearest supermarket has stopped stocking crinkle cut mccain oven chips :(
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> slice few potatoes yourself :p
[19:10] <daftykins> i'm doing an android phone upgrade today for my mum, just discovered it's going from nanoSIM to micro, so that's going to need a new one from the telco... and her password list doesn't work with the google account
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[19:10] <TJ-> Those aren't real chips!
[19:10] <daftykins> essentially fallen at all the hurdles i could apart from charging the thing ;)
[19:11] <TJ-> Only mud-laden potatoes fresh out the sack are genuine :D
[19:11] <daftykins> crikey, that's too tall an order for this part-time deity
[19:11] <TJ-> Is that getting larger - SIM-wise?
[19:11] <daftykins> yeah
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> in our country, the seagulls found a chips-factory and travel from the sea to eat them in the trash outside
[19:11] <daftykins> i can however give you infinite virtual cookies from ubottu? :)
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> just to say how good it can be
[19:12] <TJ-> daftykins: I kept the outer part of the SIM/micro/nano holder I got last time, just in case I ever needed to use it in a backup device. Saved me a couple of times so far.
[19:12] <daftykins> this new one (LG G4) has a screen brighter than the sun
[19:13] <daftykins> TJ-: yep, i do that for standard SIM -> micro, but this is the first handset i've encountered that is micro - our telco supplies them like that with no frame pieces i think
[19:13] <daftykins> and my mum is certainly not going to have one lying around
[19:16] <TJ-> Nowadays if you can pick up a PAYG SIMcard at a newsagent,etc, you can punch out the old nano part and insert yours
[19:19] <daftykins> i feel a bit iffy about those frame pieces if i'm honest, rather see a reliable method for the sake of the telco being <100m from my front door :D
[19:20] <daftykins> we don't have UK telcos though so you can't get those in shops i don't think
[19:20] <TJ-> Ahhh, of course.
[19:20] <TJ-> Not even for island visitors ?
[19:21] <daftykins> i think i've seen really cheap pay as you go handset kits, but mmm
[19:21] <daftykins> folk mostly have to go to the telco shops on the high-street by me
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/mycroft-ai-already-working-on-linux-desktops-integration-has-started-495433.shtml
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> LG call daftykins's mom
[19:30] <daftykins> i've tried calling the home line twice now to no avail :)
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:30] <johnny_linux> LG order a hillary for prison T shirt on Amazon
[19:31] <wileee> and the bernie for emperor
[19:31] <johnny_linux> cheeeit
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:32] <johnny_linux> the newest word is, bruce wants to go back to being a man
[19:32] <TJ-> The problem with all voice-recognition is it only works well in quiet environments with single-focus
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> Snappy spider, go get some beer from wallmarket
[19:32] <johnny_linux> lol
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> where will all these 'things' lead us :p
[19:33] <johnny_linux> LG back away from the Obama Phone
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Bradley Cooper for US Senator ;-)
[19:33] <wileee> pres election candidates look, wait, 'putting on the tinfoil hat' like a psych god a bad control on the population
[19:33] <wileee> good*
[19:34] <johnny_linux> heh, george nory just said he may run
[19:37] <BluesKaj> heh, george will probly nominate aliens, ghost chasers, devil worshippers etc for his cabinet
[19:37] <daftykins> be really nice if this channel were the only one where US politics wasn't on topic :(
[19:38] <BluesKaj> ridiculous show that coast to coast...anything goes there
[19:38] <daftykins> i know it's hard for US folk to remember there's a world outside sometimes :P
[19:38] <johnny_linux> get this, he said, he would pick condelesia rice for vice
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> lol http://www.deviantart.com/art/Xubuntu-hit-break-windows-10-568747619
[19:38] <TJ-> Yeah, this channel is for discussing South African togetherness :)
[19:38] <johnny_linux> BluesKaj,  its entertainment for the publically schooled masses
[19:39] <BluesKaj> daftykins, didn't you know the rest of us don't matter to the US
[19:40] <daftykins> ;)
[19:40] <BluesKaj> try living beside them like we Canadians do
[19:40] <johnny_linux> aboot
[19:41] <BluesKaj> abawt
[19:41] <TJ-> Did you see the BBC news article (scare story!) about Russian submarines observed diving on deep-sea fibre-optic cable entries into the USA. Part of me is willing them to actually cut them all :D
[19:41] <johnny_linux> ya
[19:41] <daftykins> hahaha
[19:41] <daftykins> i'd imagine we'd get a lot fewer trolls in #ubuntu ;)
[19:41] <TJ-> Nice to see the USA worrying about the same things they've been doing to others for several years now
[19:41] <johnny_linux> it isnt any diff when the cables were cut and (nudge nudge wink wink) spliced back together
[19:42] <daftykins> actually that can be detected with fibre :P
[19:43] <TJ-> I was also laughing at the interview with the Deputy-director NSA, where he said there needs to be an international agreement on cyber-hacking due to the alleged Chinese/Russian/other attacks on USA Gov/commerical entities ... I thought, yeah, tell to the Iranians and their Uranium centrifuges after Stuxnet virus!
[19:43] <TJ-> daftykins: passive fibre intercepts (which is what they do now) cannot be detected since there is no breach
[19:44] <johnny_linux> dun dun dun
[19:44] <daftykins> :D
[19:44] <daftykins> TJ-: hmm that can really cope with multimode fibre o0
[19:45] <TJ-> daftykins: the papers I've read on it demonstrate it can be, and remarkably easy once the cable protectors and so on have been removed
[19:45] <daftykins> crikey
[19:47] <TJ-> That stuff is common in datacentres already; the advance (if any) is in doing it from the sheath
[19:50] <TJ-> Yurk! It's time for dinner, I forgot all about it been immersed in coding
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit
[19:50] <TJ-> om yom yom
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:52] <BluesKaj> btw johnny_linux, have you ever really listened to our Canadian accent, we have several regional accents just like most English speaking countries do, so your response is stereotypical, most likely from listening to your media.
[19:53] <daftykins> mmm 8pm already
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> i love french canadian accents
[19:53] <BluesKaj> we don't ;-)
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I have to listen to them everyday
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> had a goo laugh with that movie bon cop bad cop
[19:54] <BluesKaj> we had a prime minister who was unintelligable in 2 languages
[19:54] <BluesKaj> :-)
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> there we go first xenial deviant :p
[20:06] <BluesKaj> here's my plasma desktop on Xenial 16.04 with a view from our family cottage http://ibin.co/2KdTGsjlXjdL
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> nice1 BluesKaj !
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> nice n clean dock
[20:10] <BluesKaj> the lake is actual impact crater around 3 billion yrs old
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> wow
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> can you go dive there then?
[20:10] <ghostin> what lake?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> over 200M deep in places , some who drown are never recovered
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> ghostin: <BluesKaj> here's my plasma desktop on Xenial 16.04 with a view from our family cottage http://ibin.co/2KdTGsjlXjdL
[20:15] <BluesKaj> there's some misinformation on this wiki about the age of the crater, there's quite a debate about it in geological/scientific community, my Dad was in 3 billion yr old "camp"
[20:15] <BluesKaj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wanapitei
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: looks lovely enviroment
[20:21] <BluesKaj> it's a nice area, but suburban sprawl is creeping in
[20:22] <BluesKaj> I despise those ugly grey McMansions ppl build here these days
[20:26] <BluesKaj> anyway it's been a long day for me, time to do other things ...take care
[20:28] <wileee> help i've fallen and wokin up with my face on the computer screen
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> looool
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> thats the best for today wileee :p
[20:28] <wileee> the user fir sure
[21:01] <wileee> heh, users script link "you 'own' me $10 for viewing this"
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:17] <daftykins> the 'idiot' is strong today
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> loool
[21:18] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: your gonna copy that zip or not!
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> im out for today
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[21:26] <pauljw> nite lotuspsychje
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[22:11] <pauljw> bbl
[22:29] <daftykins> don't copy that floppy ~


[00:00] <BarkingFish> at the bottom of the left pane, is a checkbox "Show advanced devices" - is it checked?
[00:00] <BarkingFish> if not, please check it and you will get a lot more options
[00:00] <richard_> It is now. . . .
[00:01] <BarkingFish> and do you get more options?
[00:02] <richard_> Got a few more options that were greyed out. . . . checked them all again and still no sound. . . .
[00:02] <BarkingFish> righty ho.
[00:02] <BarkingFish> Now we have to dig into your system then.
[00:02] <BarkingFish> And i mean "really" dig down
[00:02] <BarkingFish> do you still have your terminal open?
[00:02] <lorddelta> BarkingFish: Hmm, well then I don't really understand what pulseaudio's for, other than weird network stuff! oh well it just works.
[00:03] <richard_> yes
[00:03] <richard_> The topmost option HDA ATI SD (ALC1200 Analog) is what use to work all the time if I remember correctly. . ..
[00:03] <BarkingFish> pulseaudio took over from arts and artsd as an audio scheduler, lorddelta - simply scheduling audio from other places so it didn't lag or hang
[00:04] <BarkingFish> aha
[00:04] <BarkingFish> ALC1200 analog... one moment.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> Mine is an ALC880
[00:04] <BarkingFish> lemme just go look at something, won't be a tick
[00:06] <richard_> HDA ATI SB (ALC1200 Analog) correction not SD but SB I guess for sound board. ...
[00:07] <BarkingFish> i thought so... :P
[00:07] <BarkingFish> Could you please, in your terminal, type: lsmod and tell me if you happen to have a module called snd_hda_intel_realtek loaded please?
[00:07] <richard_> Ok hold on. . ..
[00:08] <BarkingFish> sorry - snd_hda_codec_realtek
[00:09] <richard_> It's there. . .. .with a  1 at the end of the line
[00:09] <BarkingFish> ok, so you have part of the right stuff in your system, there's certainly a module there for the HD audio codec
[00:09] <BarkingFish> could you next please - type locate ac97
[00:10] <BarkingFish> don't post the results, simply tell me if you get any at all :)
[00:10] <richard_> There's a ton of Ac97 files in /usr/
[00:11] <BarkingFish> excellent, again, you have the right bits there too.
[00:11] <BarkingFish> How do you listen to your sound? External speakers, or built in ones?
[00:11] <richard_> I've got to run  . . ..dinner is on. . ..wife is s screaming. . . . external spkrs. . .. will be back late. .. .thnx. . .. .
[00:11] <richard_> bye. . .. .
[00:11] <BarkingFish> ok, I won't be here
[00:11] <BarkingFish> but I will catch you tomorrow night if you're not fixed by then
[00:12] <BarkingFish> It's late in the UK
[00:26] <neo69> hi
[00:27] <neo69> I'm getting a error when updating kubuntu. It can't get the following packages "http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources" and "http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmcenery/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages"
[00:28] <neo69> what should I do?
[01:52] <donpumba> join ireland
[02:06] <kish> Why did kde daemon just crash
[02:06] <kish> why did kmix crash the day before?
[02:06] <kish> i didn't have these problems in gnome
[02:46] <yjacket> When I insert a DVD, it gets mounted as /media/Video Ts/ with the VIDEO TS folder inside, and vlc can't open it via /dev/dvd or /dev/sr0 (my dvd drive)
[02:58] <Hganavak> Anyone recommend an alternative to OneNote?
[03:14] <frogonwheels> yjacket: maybe look at the device notifier settings
[03:14] <AndroidLoverInSF> my kde bottom taskbar has all the active app icons scrunched up on the left. how can i make those icons bigger and expand to the right, and shrink the panel app icons to the right of them?
[03:15] <frogonwheels> AndroidLoverInSF: click on the 'palette' icon on the right, and move things aroudn so that more space is available for the taskbar
[03:17] <frogonwheels> AndroidLoverInSF: does the taskbar cover the whole width of the bottom? do you have many try icons?
[03:17] <frogonwheels> AndroidLoverInSF: you know you can have multiple taskbars?
[03:23] <AndroidLoverInSF> i clicked on the palette, but it just lets me move icons around
[03:24] <yjacket> heh, i just installed kubuntu and it took me a bit to figure out the taskbar gui...
[03:25] <yjacket> frogonwheels: Device Notifier Settings? Is that the menu that shows actions you can do with mounted media?
[03:31] <AndroidLoverInSF> oh so if i add a spacer, then add my app icons into that spacer. if i add more app icons, the icons will be smaller? and fit inside the spacer?
[04:05] <littlegirl> Hey there, does anybody here use the Mallard markup language?
[04:36] <smithendo> I am on Kubuntu v12.04, and my TL-WN722N usb wireless adapter is detecting networks, but the LED doesnt light up when I try to connect
[04:37] <smithendo> and just sits there saying "requesting authentication"... the network is up, I am on it right now, and this adapter works fine with windows
[04:38] <smithendo> is there a way I can look at the drivers devices are using on kubuntu?
[04:54] <mr-rich> When is the point release due out?
[04:58] <mah454> Hello
[04:58] <mah454> My account banned in #ubuntu
[04:59] <mah454> please contact to #ubuntu admins !
[05:00] <Ormie> mah454, #ubuntu-ops
[05:42] <ta> hi
[05:45] <ta> #daddy_clan
[05:57] <ta> Linuxをインストールしたんですけど、結局Linuxって何ができるんですか？
[06:01] <Graf_Westerholt> !jp | ta
[06:02] <ta> oh sorry.
[06:02] <Graf_Westerholt> No problem.
[06:05] <ta> well, i finally install linux OS. so, what can i do with linux?? i don know nothing about that. if you have any idea or good pages, please teach me.
[06:06] <Ormie> wow
[06:06] <Ormie> um...
[06:06] <Ormie> ta, like you use windows.
[06:06] <Ormie> or mac
[06:06] <Ormie> search around.
[06:06] <ta> lol
[06:06] <Ormie> If you need help, ask.
[06:07] <ta> ok
[06:07] <Ormie> if you are new to linux, don't touch the terminal yet. It's too powerful
[06:07] <Graf_Westerholt> *g*
[06:07] <ta> oh....
[06:07] <ta> ok!
[06:08] <ta> thank you!!!
[06:08] <Ormie> no problem
[06:08] <ta> ^w^)b
[06:10] <ta> im gonna swimming ! see you again! rom.
[06:12] <IdleOne> ta: you may want to take a look at the Kubuntu forums and also the Ubuntu forums.
[06:12] <IdleOne> !forums
[06:13] <IdleOne> ta: also, don't be affraid of the terminal, if there is something you aren't sure of just ask and someone will try to help. DON'T run random commands you don't understand :)
[06:14] <Graf_Westerholt> especially with „sudo“ :)
[06:14] <IdleOne> right
[06:15] <IdleOne> Graf_Westerholt: good point :)
[06:15] <Graf_Westerholt> thx :)
[06:15] <ta> ohhh.. what kind men/women you are!!!
[06:16] <ta> thank you!!! but anyway i have to go to swiming!!! jajaja. i will look the "forum"!! thank you! see you again! rom.
[06:20] <Guest11231> hello
[06:20] <Guest11231> somebody want to talk
[06:20] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | Guest11231
[06:20] <Guest11231> knock knock ,somebody here
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:42] <coldfire> it's afternoon here in asia...
[08:43] <lordievader> coldfire: Well good afternoon to you then!
[08:45] <coldfire> lordievader: good morning to you too!
[08:45] <lordievader> :)
[09:06] <qw-ua> good day all
[09:06] <qw-ua> help me please
[09:07] <qw-ua> now i am install kubuntu 10.04 LTS, and i would like update (upgrade) this system
[09:07] <qw-ua> help me please
[09:08] <qw-ua> and about update i would like install packet programms
[09:13] <lordievader> qw: Assuming you are qw-ua, you want to update your system to 12.04?
[09:13] <qw> no 11.10
[09:14] <lordievader> qw: Why not 12.04?
[09:14] <qw> but to update so that the loading sector бо at me already such didn't fly was
[09:14] <qw> beacouse like 11.10 =)
[09:16] <qw> I now will go to a shower fast and then I will come we will continue excuse:)
[09:16] <lordievader> qw: You are trying to say you like 11.10?
[09:18] <qw> yes
[09:19] <lordievader> qw: And not 12.04?  You want to migrate from 10.04 to 11.10? I assume that you have already considered backing up /home and installing from an iso?
[09:36] <tonyyy> fine !
[09:36] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: I believe he wanted to upgrade, but he went offline.
[09:37] <tonyyy> but i have a little problem, when i'm booting on kubuntu 12.04 live usb, my mouse is not recognized, do you have an idae on howto fix it ?
[09:40] <lordievader> tonyyy: Can you run "lsusb" from a terminal? Is your usb mouse (assuming it is usb) listed?
[09:46] <tonyyy> lordievader, i have to reboot it to see it, i'll come back here with my laptop ^^
[10:11] <tonyyy> lordievader: i'm back
[10:11] <tonyyy> lordievader: now the mouse is working, and i don't know why
[10:13] <lordievader> tonyyy: Oh oke, well, euhmm good? :D
[11:05] <qw> and i am back
[11:06] <qw> help me please update my system about 11.10 ver
[11:09] <qw> i have Description:    Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[11:16] <lordievader> qw: I ask you again, why not update to 12.04LTS?
[11:18] <qw> 12.04 is stabiliti system (version)&
[11:18] <qw> ?
[11:19] <lordievader> qw: Not sure what you are trying to say, but yes 12.04 is quite stable.
[11:19] <lordievader> qw: And it is supported for 5 years.
[11:19] <qw> okey
[11:19] <qw> update from 12.04
[11:19] <qw> were?
[11:20] <lordievader> qw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS
[11:22] <tonyyy> does anyone know ho to configure dual screen on kubuntu 12.04 ? I have 2 screens, but it's  impossible to put the screen connected by DVI as my default screen...
[11:22] <lordievader> tonyyy: What do you mean with default screen? The one with the task bar?
[11:23] <tonyyy> yep with the task bar
[11:24] <lordievader> tonyyy: You can move the task bar from screen to screen, first unlock the widgets, rightclick the taskbar -> then panel options -> panel settings
[11:24] <qw> i am not understand (
[11:25] <lordievader> tonyyy: In there click and drag the screenedge button to the right screen.
[11:25] <lordievader> qw: What don't you understand?
[11:25] <qw> nothing
[11:25] <qw> i am search =)
[11:26] <lordievader> qw: Did you follow the guide? It makes no mention of search.
[11:27] <qw> i am later time not use *Unix
[11:27] <lordievader> qw: What do you mean? I fail to understand.
[11:28] <qw> i have question
[11:29] <tonyyy> lordievader: thanks for your help, it's working :)
[11:29] <lordievader> tonyyy: No problem, glad I could help.
[11:29] <qw> my notebook have another parameters: 2 GB Memory 500 GB HDD Acer eMachines
[11:29] <qw> this system is good from my notebok&
[11:29] <qw> ?
[11:30] <lordievader> qw: Are you asking if (K)ubuntu will run on it?
[11:30] <qw> not understand
[11:30] <qw> you
[11:31] <lordievader> qw: I don't understand you, what are you trying to ask?
[11:31] <tonyyy> qw, Are you french ? In this case i may help you ^^
[11:31] <acolyte192> Hello. I'm trying to dual boot Kubuntu with Windows 7. I just need one thing to do it. Where should I put the boot loader in? Should I put it on my /boot partition, or should I just put it on sda, sdb, ...? Thanks
[11:33] <qw> no imlive in ukraine
[11:33] <qw> )
[11:33] <qw> i live*
[11:33] <lordievader> !ukraine
[11:34] <lordievader> !UA
[11:34] <lordievader> Is there a ukraine channel for ubuntu?
[11:35] <lordievader> qw: Let's try again, what step in the guide can't you follow? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS
[11:37] <qw> i see this scrin
[11:37] <qw> screen
[11:37] <qw> sorry
[11:38] <lordievader> What screen, qw
[11:39] <qw> and later this plan
[11:40] <lordievader> What screen and what plan, qw?
[11:42] <qw> http://s019.radikal.ru/i626/1206/0a/e3898f9da433.jpg
[11:42] <qw> this?
[11:43] <lordievader> qw: It seems you are running an update. Let it finish reboot and check again, good practice to update before an upgrade.
[11:46] <qw> what is command from update ?
[11:46] <lordievader> qw: The way it looks you are already updating.
[11:47] <qw> root@qw:~# update
[11:47] <qw> No command 'update' found, did you mean:
[11:47] <qw>  Command 'uupdate' from package 'devscripts' (main)
[11:47] <qw>  Command 'lupdate' from package 'libqt4-dev' (main)
[11:47] <qw>  Command 'lupdate' from package 'qt3-dev-tools' (main)
[11:47] <qw> update: command not found
[11:47] <FloodBotK1> qw: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:49] <lordievader> qw: You shouldn't use root, use sudo instead. Secondly, as I said, you are already updating let it finish.
[12:02] <qw> i am upgrade in konsole
[12:02] <lordievader> qw: Has the update finished?
[12:02] <qw> no
[12:03] <qw> upgradeit
[12:03] <lordievader> qw: In the screenshot you showed me you where updating your system, has it finished?
[12:07] <qw> lordievader http://pastebin.com/5B7zVW4q
[12:11] <lordievader> qw: You where already running an update, in the screenshot you showed earlier, has that finished?
[12:11] <qw> no finished
[12:12] <qw> upgrade finished is 30 min
[12:13] <lordievader> qw: Wait for it to finish, after it has finished reboot. (Is it an upgrade or an update?)
[12:14] <qw> root@qw:~# sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:15] <lordievader> qw: Again, do not use root, use sudo. What was it that you where running in the screenshot?
[12:16] <qw> that screenshot is in the past
[12:17] <qw> ш цщкл акщь лщтыщду
[12:17] <qw> sorry
[12:17] <qw> i work in konsole
[12:19] <lordievader> qw: I know. But what I need to know is whether the update process in the screenshot you showed me has completed or not.
[12:19] <qw> not
[12:19] <lordievader> qw: Ok wait patiently for it to finish. And let me know once it has finished.
[12:19] <qw> beacuse have error
[12:19] <qw> okey
[12:19] <qw> thanks
[12:20] <lordievader> qw: Error? What error?
[12:23] <qw> Процесс: nspluginviewer PID: 1936 Сигнал завершения: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[12:24] <qw> Process: nspluginviewer PID: 1936 Signal end: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[12:25] <lordievader> Is this in the update window or somewhere else, qw?
[12:25] <qw> maybe in Konqeror
[12:26] <lordievader> qw: Where do you see this error in the update window or in any other window, qw?
[12:26] <qw> other
[12:27] <lordievader> qw: Ok, we will leave that for what it is, for now. Has the update process finished yet?
[12:28] <qw> 13min
[12:28] <qw> ~
[12:30] <sky100> data burnt on DVD-R by using k3B tool is not being shown in notifier after reinserting the disc
[12:31] <sky100> nor its showing up in dolphin .. but the DVD-R burnt in windows xp using cdburnerxp is being shown up in dolphin ...
[12:31] <sky100> cant figure this out .. any help pls........
[12:31] <lordievader> sky100: Is the one burnt by k3b being read on a different pc?
[12:32] <sky100> did not try that out .. lordievader
[12:33] <lordievader> sky100: Perhaps it is a good idea to check that. Can you narrow it down where something goes wrong.
[12:33] <sky100> other pc where i like to test is running on windows xp
[12:33] <sky100> thats not my pc .. its someone's laptop
[12:34] <lordievader> sky100: It's just for testing to see if different hardware will read the cd/dvd
[12:35] <sky100> im really  confused to figure out where it could have gone wrong .. lordievader
[12:35] <sky100> ok
[12:36] <sky100> i burnt some cd-rw using kB last nite , and the notifier recognised it immediately after reinserting the disc & dolphin shower up also
[12:36] <sky100> showed *
[12:36] <sky100> but after burning DVD-R using kb its just failing to read it
[12:37] <sky100> k3B*
[12:37] <lordievader> sky100: Exactly that is why you need to work methodically, crossing out things that could be the problem. I.e. you currently have to major thing that could go wrong, either it hasn't burned correctly or it is not being read correctly. With a simple test (see if something else reads it) you can find out which one it is.
[12:39] <sky100> i had thought that this could be burner related issue .. but if that would be , then using cdburnerxp , i would not be able to burn DVD-R
[12:40] <lordievader> sky100: Have you tested the disc in something else?
[12:40] <qw> lordievader
[12:40] <qw> 2 min
[12:41] <sky100> i tested in windowsxp lordievader
[12:41] <lordievader> sky100: And could that system read the disc burned with k3b?
[12:41] <sky100> its not being read even by windows xp
[12:41] <lordievader> sky100: Ok that's good, we know that the error is in burning. Have you changed any of the options in k3b?
[12:41] <sky100> says incorrect function , disc is not accessible . lordievader
[12:42] <sky100> no
[12:42] <sky100> i changed nothing in the configurations in k3B
[12:42] <sky100> used default ., except speed
[12:43] <lordievader> sky100: Hmm. Could it be related to that DVD+R v.s. DVD-R thingie?
[12:43] <lordievader> Nah I guess not.
[12:43] <sky100> i used DVD-R
[12:43] <lordievader> sky100: Have you tried a different burning program?
[12:44] <sky100> & in the first case i used DVD+RW
[12:44] <qw> lordievader : 11 (Segmentation fault)
[12:44] <sky100> which was spolit
[12:44] <qw> ops
[12:44] <qw> sorry
[12:44] <qw> lordievader http://s017.radikal.ru/i426/1206/f8/d92cdcf885df.jpg
[12:44] <sky100> what programme lordievader
[12:44] <sky100> i used Brasero .. failed equally
[12:45] <lordievader> sky100: I'm looking for some now... hold on
[12:45] <sky100> ok
[12:45] <lordievader> qw: How come you are in konsole now? In an earlier screenshot you where running a gui updater. Oh well, just press enter (yes).
[12:46] <qw> yes. okey
[12:46] <qw> i am click in Yes
[12:47] <qw> http://s019.radikal.ru/i625/1206/43/dc933428b1b1.jpg
[12:47] <lordievader> sky100: Hmm well I don't know any of those.. so I cannot really recommend anything. What are you trying to burn anyway, those avi's?
[12:48] <ignerious> hello
[12:48] <ignerious> :)
[12:48] <qw> lordievader http://s019.radikal.ru/i625/1206/43/dc933428b1b1.jpg
[12:48] <lordievader> qw: I'm sorry I cannot read that, can you send a larger screenshot?
[12:48] <lordievader> Hey ignerious how are you?
[12:48] <ignerious> fine
[12:48] <ignerious> and you
[12:49] <ignerious> ??
[12:49] <lordievader> ignerious: I'm doing quite allright :)
[12:49] <ignerious> can I Pm you
[12:49] <lordievader> ignerious: Why?
[12:49] <ignerious> just
[12:49] <ignerious> anyway
[12:50] <ignerious> i have got struck in one simple problem can you help me out?
[12:53] <lordievader> Depends on what the problem is, ignerious.
[12:53] <qw> lordievader befor makeing we have reboot?
[12:53] <lordievader> qw: The update/upgrade (not sure what you have done) is finished?
[12:54] <ignerious> my screen goes blank after 2 hours of idele
[12:54] <lordievader> ignerious: Check the Power Management under System Settings.
[12:54] <ignerious> it dose not show any display after that even I move my mouse
[12:54] <qw> upgrade finishid but in auto in konsole install download upgrated now make
[12:55] <lordievader> qw: What is it that konsole is doing?
[12:55] <qw> install(make) ither upgrade
[12:55] <qw> other*
[12:56] <lordievader> ignerious: What settings do you have under there?
[12:56] <lordievader> qw: I fail to understand what you are trying to say. If the update has finished then you need to reboot before beginning the upgrade to 12.04
[12:57] <qw> omg
[12:58] <ignerious> how should i send you the image
[12:58] <lordievader> !paste | ignerious
[13:00] <ignerious> This is the link. See it http://imagebin.org/215842
[13:02] <salsero313> i need a help. kubuntu do not boot anymore. i dont know why. i have copied my home folder and stoped it, because it takes to much time. after that my firefox donot works i reboot my system kubuntu 12.04
[13:02] <ignerious> Have you saw it?
[13:02] <lordievader> ignerious: It seems there is some bug with the power settings, I also had everything disabled yet he disregarded everything. Try turning on the Screen Energy Saving.
[13:03] <lordievader> ignerious: Hopefully that solves your problem.
[13:03] <ignerious> ok
[13:03] <ignerious> Thanks
[13:03] <lordievader> salsero313: What did you do before the system stopped working, an update?
[13:03] <ignerious> :)
[13:04] <lordievader> ignerious: No problem.
[13:05] <salsero313> i have copied my home folder
[13:05] <salsero313> and stop it
[13:05] <salsero313> that was all
[13:05] <lordievader> salsero313: What happens when you try to boot the system?
[13:06] <sky100> lordievader, : when u r free , pls give me a peep
[13:06] <lordievader> sky100: What is wrong?
[13:07] <sky100> u said u were looking for some other burning tools .. so i was awaiting for your reply ... but no  problem .. u take your time .. no rush
[13:07] <salsero313> there is no kdm. i have to login me in in the shell
[13:08] <lordievader> sky100: Didn't you see my message earlier, I said that I didn't know any of the list and therefore couldn't recommend any of them. Would be wrong to recommend something that I do not know.
[13:09] <lordievader> salsero313: From there could you run: "sudo service kdm start" for me please.
[13:09] <sky100> oh ok , lordievader  sorry , i overlooked your msg
[13:10] <lordievader> sky100: Anyhow what do you need to burn, believe it where avi's. And where do you want to be able to playback these dvds
[13:11] <salsero313> job is already running: kdm
[13:12] <lordievader> salsero313: Ok, run "sudo service kdm stop" and after that the start command again.
[13:12] <ignerious> salsero313: you may try "startx"
[13:13] <salsero313> i get know kdm start/running, process 2326
[13:13] <salsero313> what do you mean with startx?
[13:14] <lordievader> salsero313: But do you actually get to see kdm?\
[13:14] <sky100> lordievader, : yes its all .avi formats... one of my friends wanted me to burn some movies for him which i have in my pc .  he wants to play them either in his  pc or  DVD player .
[13:14] <salsero313> no i am in the shell
[13:14] <lordievader> sky100: Ok, have you read this: https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/281927-burn-cds-and-dvds-with-k3b
[13:15] <ignerious> salsero313: type "startx" as command press enter
[13:15] <lordievader> sky100: Mainly the Create Video DVDs section
[13:15] <lordievader> salsero313: Ctrl + alt + f7 (might be f8) also doesn't get you kdm?
[13:16] <sky100> lordievader,  no i didnt read that
[13:16] <sky100> ok
[13:16] <salsero313> after startx i get: xinit giving up
[13:16] <salsero313> xinit unable to connect to x server: no such file or directory
[13:16] <salsero313> xinit: server error
[13:17] <lordievader> salsero313: It might be your gfx driver failing, what gfx card do you have and what driver have you installed for it?
[13:18] <salsero313> i have nvidia geforce gt 320m
[13:18] <sky100> lordievader, . yeah , i read that already yesterday ---ty
[13:18] <salsero313> i have use the new driver
[13:18] <lordievader> sky100: So you have converted the avi to mpeg2 (VIDEO_TS + AUDIO_TS)?
[13:19] <lordievader> salsero313: Have you installed it manually? (The driver)
[13:19] <salsero313> no i have installed over kubuntu
[13:20] <lordievader> salsero313: Throught the additional driver installer (jockey)?
[13:20] <salsero313> not over muon.
[13:21] <lordievader> salsero313: Through muon?
[13:21] <salsero313> i have use the hardware driver. the hardware driver recommend a driver
[13:21] <salsero313> muon is like kpackage
[13:22] <lordievader> salsero313: Ok, ok. You could try to boot into the rescue mode, and see if kdm works through there.
[13:23] <salsero313> in /var/log/kdm.log there is: failed to load module "nv" (module doesnt exist, 0
[13:24] <salsero313> what should i do now?
[13:24] <mick_> a
[13:25] <lordievader> salsero313: Then it is probably failing to load the driver. You could try to reinstall the driver. I.e. remove the driver, reboot, install, reboot.
[13:25] <mick_> yes hello world - are we still slapping yet other with big fish
[13:25] <salsero313> how can i do it. should i boot with the kubuntu dvd?
[13:25] <lordievader> salsero313: So in your case you run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia*"
[13:26] <lordievader> salsero313: Nope you are at your shell right?
[13:26] <salsero313> i am in the shell
[13:27] <lordievader> salsero313: Ok, so run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia*"
[13:27] <salsero313> paket nvidia kann nicht gefunden werden.
[13:27] <salsero313> he cant find nvidia
[13:27] <salsero313> now it works
[13:27] <lordievader> salsero313: ?
[13:28] <lordievader> salsero313: Now what works?
[13:28] <salsero313> he delete kde-workspace, kubuntu desktop, kde-window-manager, libkwinnvidiahack4
[13:28] <lordievader> salsero313: Ohh that's not good.
[13:28] <lordievader> salsero313: Cancel that and make it "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*"
[13:28] <salsero313> it is to late. he is ready
[13:30] <lordievader> salsero313: That ain't good, it's allways a good idea to first check what he is going to remove. Anyhow run: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kde-workspace kde-window-manager"
[13:31] <salsero313> i will boot with kubuntu dvd i try it. one minute
[13:31] <qw> lordievader upgrade in 10.10
[13:32] <lordievader> salsero313: Wait, why?
[13:32] <lordievader> qw: Have you rebooted, the upgrade/update has finished right?
[13:32] <salsero313> i have now internet
[13:33] <sky100> lordievader,  no i did not convert anything
[13:33] <salsero313> i have do this http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur#chroot-Methode
[13:33] <lordievader> sky100: You should else you cannot (in most cases) play it in an dvd-player.
[13:34] <qw> i am reboot
[13:34] <sky100> i wanted to burn them as i burnt .avi formats  in windows xp using cdburner xp .. really dont need to play ona DVD player
[13:34] <lordievader> salsero313: What, why? That is for grub things, not for kdm.
[13:35] <lordievader> sky100: Ah ok, I thought you needed that, never mind then.
[13:35] <sky100> just wanted to burn movies ( .avi ) on a DVD-R & handed down to my friend .. thats it .
[13:35] <sky100> ok
[13:35] <salsero313> i have to do the first step get internet
[13:36] <lordievader> salsero313: The grub insall? You know I'm starting to think that it's easier to just reinstall the system. Have you got /home on a separate partition?
[13:37] <sky100> so do u suggest that i should get that disc tested on other pc running on windows xp ?
[13:37] <sky100> lordievader,
[13:38] <sky100> or do would you like to recommend to uninstall k3b completely from kubuntu im on , reboot & reinstall it .. lordievader
[13:38] <sky100> i did the lens cleaning using LENS cleaning disc ...
[13:39] <lordievader> sky100: Look there are 2 things that could have gone wrong here, either A the burn failed, or B the reading of the disc fails. If a different machine cannot read the disc either you know it is option A.
[13:39] <sky100> ok
[13:41] <sky100> in fact i got surprised that 4 movies on a DVD-R of 3.6GB size only took 7 mins to be written on DVDS-R while , a single movie on a cd-rw of 700 Mb size almost 7 mins to write using k 3b..
[13:41] <sky100> DVD-R*
[13:42] <salsero313> yes i have have home on a separete partition
[13:42] <sky100>  a single movie of 700 Mb size took  almost 7 mins to be written using k3b*
[13:43] <lordievader> salsero313: Then I'm seriously considering recommending reinstalling the system.
[13:43] <sky100> would you suggest for an uninstallation of k3b , lordievader
[13:44] <lordievader> sky100: There is quite a difference between CD's and DVD's, DVD's probably have alot higher throughput.
[13:44] <sky100> yea
[13:44] <lordievader> sky100: Not sure if that would fix your problem.
[13:44] <sky100> really this bugging lordievader
[13:45] <qw> lordievader i like 10.10 =)
[13:45] <lordievader> sky100: I can immagine that.
[13:45] <sky100> No solution .. seems to be near
[13:46] <salsero313> ok i can do it. but can i not try something before i do it
[13:46] <lordievader> sky100: You could experiment with the settings in k3b. Or make a dual-boot with xp or something.
[13:46] <lordievader> salsero313: Have you removed the nvidia driver?
[13:47] <sky100> i have a dual boot lordievader
[13:47] <sky100> with xp
[13:47] <lordievader> sky100: You could just do your dvd burning in there.
[13:48] <salsero313> i did it but i remove other things too
[13:49] <sky100> yes .. i did it .. but it appears to be riddle to me lordievader  & also saddens me to hop for windows for a LINUX app being crippled
[13:50] <lordievader> Nothing is perfect, sky100.
[13:50] <salsero313> like delete kde-workspace, kubuntu desktop, kde-window-manager, libkwinnvidiahack4
[13:51] <sky100> agree with lordievader  , but as it works for others .. it should have worked for me as well.. thats the logic
[13:51] <lordievader> salsero313: No just all the nvidia packages, you need to keep kde-workspace, kubuntu-desktop, kde-window-manger (not sure about the libkwinn package)
[13:51] <tonyyy> bye guys
[13:51] <lordievader> Cya tonyyy
[13:52] <lordievader> sky100: That is logical, yes. But reality is not always logical.
[13:52] <sky100> hmm lordievader
[13:53] <sky100> even i thought for a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04 .. but then just pulled myself back...
[13:54] <sky100> will remain as enigmatic ...
[13:55] <sky100> weird issue..
[13:56] <qw> whether I should put an antivirus on Linux? and how to remove the login window to the system?
[13:57] <lordievader> qw: There is no need for an antivirus package on Linux. You want the system to automatically log you in?
[13:58] <qw> first - thanks, second - yes
[13:59] <lordievader> qw: Ok, go to System Settings -> Login Screen -> Convenience -> Tick Enable Auto-Login and under User you set your username and then click apply.
[14:00] <qw> my system is Russian =)
[14:00] <lordievader> qw: I can't speak Russian so you would need to translate it to Russian yourself.
[14:00] <salsero313> when i try to install kubuntu-desktop again kubuntu try to install nvidia-common too
[14:01] <lordievader> salsero313: Hmm, oh well leave the nvidia-common installed then too.
[14:01] <salsero313> should i install kde-window-manager, kubuntu-desktop, libkwinnvidiahack4, nvidia-common?
[14:01] <lordievader> salsero313: Yes
[14:02] <salsero313> should i install all 4 things?
[14:02] <qw> i am reboot
[14:03] <lordievader> salsero313: Yes.
[14:04] <qw> thanks its work
[14:04] <qw> but
[14:04] <sky100> lordievader, im just gonna check thye DVD-R used in k3b in other pc
[14:04] <qw> many times from reboot
[14:04] <sky100> the*
[14:04] <lordievader> sky100: Ok, good luck.
[14:04] <sky100> ty
[14:05] <salsero313> ok i have installed. what now?
[14:06] <sky100> lordievader,  one Q to aks u .. if it was something wine realetd isue
[14:06] <sky100> ask*
[14:06] <salsero313> i have do this http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur#chroot-Methode and then i installed. how can i unmount it?
[14:07] <sky100> may be im asking something irrelevant
[14:07] <sky100> but...
[14:07] <sky100> do I have to install WINE ...to get k3b working perfectly...
[14:07] <sky100> dunno
[14:10] <lordievader> salsero313: Check in muon if you have any nvidia packages other than nvidia-common.
[14:11] <qw> i would like install skype from linux help me please
[14:11] <lordievader> sky100: Unless there is a windows version of k3b those two are quite unrelated.
[14:11] <lordievader> salsero313: I'm not sure what you mean with that grub repair guide.
[14:11] <lordievader> qw: Go to their website download the .deb file and install it.
[14:12] <qw> maybe in konsole in command
[14:12] <qw> ?
[14:12] <lordievader> qw: For as far as I know it is not in the repos.
[14:13] <sky100> OK , lordievader
[14:13] <salsero313> in mouon is nvidia-173-dev, nvidia-96-dev,
[14:14] <lordievader> salsero313: You should remove those two (just those two, if you need to remove any other packages cancel it).
[14:15] <qw> in the offi. website i not see my system
[14:15] <lordievader> qw: What?
[14:15] <qw> maybe ubuntu 10.10
[14:15] <qw> http://www.skype.com/intl/ru/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[14:17] <qw> website have Ubuntu 10.04 +32 +64
[14:17] <lordievader> qw: You need the ubuntu package, depending on your system 32 bit or 64 bit.
[14:18] <qw> 32
[14:18] <lordievader> salsero313: After removing them reboot your system, and hopefully you get kdm back.
[14:19] <sky100> bbl , gotta go .. cya lordievader  , ty
[14:21] <salsero313> it is only nvidia-common installed. is it ok?
[14:22] <lordievader> salsero313: I think so, yes.
[14:27] <salsero313> kdm doesnt start :(
[14:28] <salsero313> kdm status is kdm start/running process 1241
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[14:49] <mah454> ubuntu or kubuntu 12.04 use upstart ?
[14:50] <lordievader> mah454: Yes (k)ubuntu uses upstart, though for most things you can still just use /etc/init.d/
[15:29] <salsero313> hi i have installed kubuntu 12.04 new. but i have no wlan connection
[16:16] <GeeksOnHugs> test
[16:17] <sky100> hi BluesKaj  , lordievader
[16:17] <GeeksOnHugs> test (sorry)
[16:18] <sky100> could not test the DVD-R , lordievader , his pc was not available
[16:26] <sky100> lordievader,  pls see this >>http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=75891.0
[16:26] <sky100> had same  issue with k3b
[16:29] <sky100> brb
[16:43] <GeeksOnHugs> I have an app full screen, with a modal dialog apparently hidden behind it, so it's not responsive...how do I cause the modal dialog box to present itself?
[16:44] <GeeksOnHugs> it should open up with modal dialog on top but for some reason it's not on top so I can't do anything with it
[16:44] <GeeksOnHugs> it's a very delicate application and I was doing set up so I don't want to exit it abnormally so nothing gets screwed up :( plz help
[16:45] <NoiseChancellor> GeeksOnHugs: Try pressing Ctrl+F9, that might allow you to find the window
[16:45] <GeeksOnHugs> kk ty i'll try that
[16:45] <GeeksOnHugs> crap...I have a weird keyboard...the F keys are on the number keys and I can't figure out how to press my F keys doh lol
[16:46] <GeeksOnHugs> I know I have to hold something down with the key but I cna't figure out what it is
[16:46] <GeeksOnHugs> wait, I can maybe use the onboard keyboard
[16:46] <GeeksOnHugs> on screen keyboard...
[16:47] <GeeksOnHugs> on screen keyboard doesn't have F keys :'(
[16:48] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: Is it a laptop?
[16:49] <GeeksOnHugs> no it's a retro commodore 64 itx case...I figured out how to get F keys with the on screen keyboard...one sec lemme try ctrl f9...
[16:50] <GeeksOnHugs> nope didn't work :(
[16:50] <GeeksOnHugs> got it :)  I hit escape several times
[16:50] <GeeksOnHugs> thanks for the suggestions :)
[16:50] <GeeksOnHugs> I'm very noob with linux, but learning
[16:51] <GeeksOnHugs> I got everything pretty cool, my only issue is video isn't super smooth, and full screen it's terrible...I have the I guess default NVIDIA drivers loaded, should I load the ones from nvidia.com?  I tried that actually but it has to be run without X server and I can't figure out how to shut it down
[16:51] <GeeksOnHugs> succesfully
[16:52] <GeeksOnHugs> I get it where it boots right back into X windows or it is just a black screen and not responsive at all
[16:52] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: The non-free drivers do seem to have better performance. But you can also use jockey.
[16:52] <GeeksOnHugs> also when it boots there is no option for like safe mode or anything which I've seen on dual boot installations
[16:53] <GeeksOnHugs> Oh, I can pay for good drivers?  I'm willing to pay for something that works
[16:53] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: To launch jockey go to the menu -> Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers
[16:53] <GeeksOnHugs> I think it uses jockey now, that sounds familiar
[16:53] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: With non-free I mean proprietary. Meaning they are closed source.
[16:53] <ed2578765> hi, anyone know any  nice looking player to play mp3 for kubuntu? also anyone knows how to exit x-server (I am trying to install nvida idrivers and its asking me that), thanks
[16:54] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: They are still free :)
[16:54] <GeeksOnHugs> oh lol
[16:54] <lordievader> ed2578765: Amarok isn't working for you?
[16:54] <GeeksOnHugs> so you mean, the ones from nvidia.com?
[16:55] <ed2578765> yeah, and I dont find amarok nice, or maybe need some custom skins?
[16:55] <lordievader> ed2578765: To kill X, type ctrl + alt + F1, this will get you to the tty. From here if you issue the command: "sudo service kdm stop" you will kill X.
[16:56] <lordievader> ed2578765: On kde-look.org you can get skins for all kinds of kde related software.
[16:56] <GeeksOnHugs> this is my case by the way, check it out http://commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
[16:56] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: The driver that jockey recommends is probably the same as the one from nvidia's site.
[16:56] <GeeksOnHugs> i see...well it actually has two listed...can I post a screenshot here to show you?
[16:58] <lordievader> !paste | GeeksOnHugs
[16:58] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: That looks kinda nice, especially if you have owned the original .
[16:58] <ed2578765> allright, thanks, Ill check that site, and thanks for xserve thingy, cheers
[16:58] <GeeksOnHugs> cool thanks...yah, it was my first computer back in the day...OK, I want to show you this window, one sec
[17:01] <GeeksOnHugs> http://imagebin.org/215863
[17:01] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: Have you made the case yourself btw?
[17:02] <GeeksOnHugs> no, I bought the case from that company and I built the system from there
[17:02] <GeeksOnHugs> it's stupid expensive but I really wanted it for nostalgia
[17:03] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: It seems you are already running the proprietary driver, and you are using ubuntu. This is the kubuntu help channel. For ubuntu help you need to have the #ubuntu channel here on freenode.
[17:03] <GeeksOnHugs> I'm not handy enough but I bet it could be cuistom made with an original case
[17:03] <GeeksOnHugs> what's kubuntu for?
[17:03] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: Kubuntu is running KDE, where Ubuntu is using Unity/Gnome. Different window managers.
[17:07] <GeeksOnHugs> Oh OK, I see...lol sorry and thank you :)
[17:07] <GeeksOnHugs> here is my set up BTW http://imagebin.org/215864
[17:10] <lordievader> GeeksOnHugs: That is nice.
[17:21] <yupitsme> Hey anyone using Cox Comm and running a Roku box?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yupitsme, that's a pretty specialized question ..doesn't roku use a proprietary linux OS ? ,...you might look into that
[17:30] <wilhart> heya where do i see my motherboard ?
[17:34] <BluesKaj> wilhart, what do tou mean , the hardware , sudo lshw ..it'll be the 2nd item listed
[17:34] <BluesKaj> you
[17:36] <lorddelta> hmm...any good wifi apps? I'm looking for something with extensive capabilities, more importantly the ability to tell me the positional data of wifi signals.
[17:37] <lorddelta> Like Xirrus Wifi monitor, I don't know if anyone ever used that, it lets you know where the wifi signals are physically coming from.
[17:38] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, wifi siganls , how are they id'd ?
[17:38] <wilhart> BluesKaj: i just wanna know the spec of the motherboards audio!?
[17:39] <wilhart> BluesKaj: if i should use it or my soundblaster x-fi
[17:39] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: ? I mean, if I'm sitting at x,y location, I see a radar graph telling me that 'a' router is theta degrees from my left, and approximately 2x as far away as 'b' router
[17:40] <BluesKaj> spec , or chip name ? , run aplay -l for the name , or open alsamixer
[17:40] <lorddelta> And 'b' router is theta_2 degrees from my right.
[17:40] <lorddelta> or theta+ 90 degrees from my left
[17:40] <lordievader> wilhart: Your soundblaster is probably better quality wise.
[17:40] <lorddelta> I've seen it done, e.g. the Xirrus wifi desktop app in win7...
[17:41] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, I think wicd might have such a map
[17:41] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: hmm thnx I'll look into it.
[17:43] <wilhart> lordievader: dunno this is 8 channel motherboard audio
[17:43] <wilhart> lordievader: my soundblaster started bugging it lplayed audio in doublespeed
[17:43] <BluesKaj> wilhart, what's the chip in alsamixer ?
[17:43] <wilhart> sec.
[17:44] <wilhart> BluesKaj:
[17:44] <lordievader> wilhart: Usually the audio chips on motherboards don't have very high quality DAC's.
[17:44] <wilhart> BluesKaj: Card: HDA Intel                                      │
[17:44] <wilhart> │ Chip: Realtek ALC888
[17:44] <wilhart> lordievader: yes i noticed
[17:44] <wilhart> lordievader: no treble here
[17:45] <wilhart> lordievader: any idea why the soundblaster plays in doublespeed
[17:46] <BluesKaj> wilhart, that's pretty common ...aamof  I have the same onboard , but switched to a pci soundcard due the crappy AD converter in it
[17:46] <wilhart> BluesKaj: should i buy a new soundblaster ?
[17:46] <wilhart> i think my broke
[17:46] <wilhart> or then it could be software failure
[17:47] <BluesKaj> wilhart,I can't tell you what to buy ..i can only relate my experience
[17:47] <wilhart> BluesKaj: what did you buy then ?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> wilhart, most likely a corrpt driver
[17:48] <wilhart> wonder what's wrong with that soundblaster
[17:48] <wilhart> BluesKaj: is there any drivers for it then??
[17:49] <BluesKaj> wilhart, I don't have a normal pc sound setup , I feed the spdif digital signal to a digital conveter on my audio amplifier
[17:49] <wilhart> oo
[17:50] <wilhart> with what string should i search in google?
[17:50] <wilhart> audio plays in double speed ubuntu +sound blaster
[17:50] <BluesKaj> wilhart, have you updated/upgraded your packages lately ?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> wilhart, not ubuntu ,use kubuntu
[17:51] <wilhart> BluesKaj: yep dist-upgrade
[17:51] <wilhart> BluesKaj: i put skype i386
[17:51] <wilhart> i have amd64
[17:51] <wilhart> x64 i mean
[17:52] <BluesKaj> skype static works better on 64bit
[17:52] <wilhart> probably that skype it can't be broken sb x-fi
[17:52] <wilhart> damn i'll reboot
[18:00] <wilhart> blueskaj ok
[18:02] <wilhart> blueskaj: ok same problem
[18:03] <wilhart> blueskaj: i'm in phonom and trying to press those front left front right they are in doublespeed
[18:05] <wilhart> how do i totally remove     skype from my cpu
[18:06] <wilhart> hmff.
[18:07] <Snowhog> wilhart: In a console: sudo apt-get remove --purge skype
[18:07] <wilhart> i think it's Snowhog i tried but now i'm upgradint it :D
[18:09] <wilhart> nice plaayback dubblespeed :D
[18:17] <wilhart> OK, purged skype now audio works again
[18:17] <wilhart> much better sound quality
[18:19] <qw> and whether there is a Live CD for Linux?
[18:25] <bdizzle> hi, quick question. I just ordered a new webcam as the built-in webcam on my laptop is only 1.3 MP and insufficient for an interview I have coming in a few weeks
[18:26] <bdizzle> is there a way on linux to switch between the two webcams or to set it so that when the camera connected via USB is detected, it temporarily disables the built-in
[18:42] <lorddelta> bdizzle: wouldn't you set that in skype/whathaveyou?
[18:42] <lorddelta> Not an expert, but it doesn't seem like the OS's job.
[18:44] <lorddelta> *personally doesn't even own a webcam, thinks your interview is madness*
[19:03] <ybit> how do you move window tabs with the mouse
[19:09] <lordievader> ybit: What window tabs do you mean?
[19:10] <bkbaba> i was trying to install kubuntu but have installed the grub on the wrong partition, tried to reinstall the grub from live cd and reboot but now m getting the grub minimal interface, pls help
[19:11] <lordievader> bkbaba: Take a look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[19:11] <ybit> lordievader: window tabs
[19:11] <ybit> grouping two windows...
[19:11] <ybit> those types of tabs
[19:12] <lordievader> ybit: Could you show me a screenshot?
 hi, m new to kubuntu, do u mean i should boot from live cd and then run this from the terminal?
[19:14] <ybit> nope
[19:15] <lordievader> bkbaba: The Graphical way is then probably easier for you. But yes this is done from the live cd.
[19:15] <bkbaba> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing I followed the instruction in this link and m now getting the minimal grub interface before that i was getting the recoery error
[19:15] <bkbaba> boot repair is not available on the live cd
[19:16] <jamil_1> Hi all
 does the change in the grub error mess mean i have installed the grub on the wrong partition?
[19:17] <jamil_1> wonder when will the  golden bulb in tray which produces nothing but a black screen be fixed ?
[19:17] <lordievader> bkbaba: Could be, are you in a live-cd now or in the actual install?
[19:18] <lordievader> jamil_1: Could you send a screenshot with the light bulb, it is probably muon telling you there are system updates available.
[19:18] <bkbaba> m chatting from another pc, on the wrongly installed pc i am on the live pc now
[19:19] <jamil_1> lordievader: sure
[19:19] <lordievader> bkbaba: I see, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair the second option can be done on a live cd to get boot repair. After that you can use it to repair Grub.
[19:22] <jamil_1> lordievader: here: http://i.imgur.com/Cj1Z5.jpg
[19:23] <lordievader> jamil_1: Strange little, actually not so little, thing. Have you tried updating the system?
[19:24] <jamil_1> lordievader: yep, update it whenever it asks me to
[19:24] <jamil_1> lordievader: updated yesterday
[19:24] <jamil_1> it started appearing after the upgrade though
[19:25] <lordievader> jamil_1: Could you run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" for me, to see if there are any upgrades.
[19:25] <jamil_1> I am able to minimize it and even close it, but it is annoying
[19:25] <jamil_1> ok
[19:26] <lordievader> jamil_1: I can understand that, but to be honest I have never seen it before.
[19:26] <lordievader> The icon I mean.
[19:27] <jamil_1> lordievader: I waited that it would be fixed in the updates but I haven't seen a single update pertaining to this issue
[19:27] <jamil_1> I guess I am the only one with this issue
[19:28] <lordievader> jamil_1: There where no updates?
[19:28] <jamil_1> waiting .....
[19:29] <lordievader> jamil_1: I mean in sudo apt-get.
[19:30] <jamil_1> lordievader: I got this with apt-get update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1034349/
[19:31] <jamil_1> and for apt-get upgrade I get , 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[19:32] <lordievader> jamil_1: You have some key errors. But no updates. That means it is, probably, not muon.
[19:33] <lordievader> jamil_1: Could you run "ps aux|grep apport"
[19:33] <jamil_1> lordievader: shows nothing except grep itself
[19:34] <lordievader> And  "ps aux|grep apport-collect"
[19:35] <jamil_1> lordievader: nope, no such process
[19:35] <lordievader> jamil_1: What could it be then.... I wonder.
[19:36] <cancer> lordievader: hey
[19:36] <lordievader> jamil_1: Not sure if you know what processes are normally running on your system else you could look through the "ps aux" command manually trying to find it.
 thanks a ton man......... it worked, didn install the boot - repair, but i had mounted the wrong partition, thanks a ton....................
[19:36] <cancer> what 'ps' command is use for?
[19:36] <lordievader> lordievader: Or perhaps "ps -U <user-name>" is easier.
[19:37] <jamil_1> lordievader: `ps aux | grep update` show this: /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apt-xapian-index/update-apt-xapian-index-dbus
[19:37] <lordievader> Hey cancer, the "ps" command shows running processes.
[19:38] <lordievader> jamil_1: Do you have apt-get still running? Or any other package manager?
[19:38] <cancer> lordievader, how are you doing :), and can we use 'less' (page break) with it?
[19:38] <lordievader> bkbaba: No problem, not sure what I did, but I'm glad you fixed it :)
[19:38] <jamil_1> lordievader: nope
[19:39] <lordievader> jamil_1: Ok well than you could kill it, if it goes away you know that that process is responsible for the black window. (This might make your system instable though)
[19:40] <lordievader> cancer: You can pipe anything to less, fun thing about linux, anything can go anywhere.
[19:40] <jamil_1> lordievader: I just killed it, it wasn't the one:)
[19:40] <lordievader> jamil_1: :(
[19:41] <cancer> ps -U <username> less? <<<< like that.
[19:42] <cancer> 'pkill to kill any process?
[19:42] <cancer> 'pkill'?
[19:42] <lordievader> cancer: To pipe things you need |, for example running "ps aux| grep konsole" would pipe the output from the "ps aux" command to grep who looks for konsole.
[19:43] <lordievader> cancer: So your command would be: ps -U <username> | less
[19:43] <lordievader> cancer: It's "kill <pid>"
[19:44] <cancer> ok, tanks.
[19:44] <cancer> but i used 'pkill' last time to kill a process.
[19:44] <lordievader> cancer: In linux there are allways more ways to skin a cat: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/12/4-ways-to-kill-a-process-kill-killall-pkill-xkill/
[19:45] <lordievader> cancer: Both work, I just tend to use kill.
[19:46] <cancer> ok, kill without pill is simple.
[19:46] <jamil_1> lordievader: apparently it was launched by kdeinit
[19:47] <lordievader> jamil_1: So what is it anyway, or better, what is it supposed to be?
[19:47] <jamil_1> jamil     1811  0.1  2.3 1159348 92816 ?       Sl   Jun08   3:49 kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit]
[19:47] <jamil_1> don't know, ksysguard shows that its kdeinit
[19:47] <jamil_1> lordievader: I never signed up for that :)
[19:47] <jamil_1> and it is apparently daemon process
[19:48] <lordievader> jamil_1: Not sure about kdeinit, but usually a init process is made to launch other processes. Or at least I have gotten kernel panics in the past when something tried to kill init...
[19:49] <jamil_1> lordievader: yep killing init process is bad idea, most probably kdeinit is parent of this process
[19:50] <jamil_1> lordievader: I have can close this notification without any harm but its annoying
[19:50] <lordievader> jamil_1: Yes, probably. Still strange though that it just shows a black screen.
[19:51] <cancer> lordievader: how to check linux version?
[19:51] <lordievader> jamil_1: Maybe someone else know a solution or you could try the forums (kubuntuforums.net | ubuntuforums.org)
[19:51] <cancer> uname -a / ????
[19:51] <vincenzo> ciao
[19:51] <vincenzo> list!
[19:52] <lordievader> cancer: Do you mean what linux kernel you are running or the ubuntu version?
[19:52] <jamil_1> lordievader: ok, thanks for the help
[19:52] <lordievader> jamil_1: No problem, hope you'll solve it!
[19:53] <cancer> lordievader: no i mean if some de is installed. any DE version
[19:53] <cancer> uname -a will obiously bring kernel version.
[19:54] <lordievader> cancer: de? What do you mean?
[19:54] <Snowhog> cancer: Assuming you are using KDE, open a console and type: verison kde
[19:54] <lordievader> cancer: Do you mean the command: lsb_release -a?
[19:54] <cancer> yes
[19:54] <cancer> lsb.....
[19:55] <Snowhog> cancer: Dang. Never mind. Not what I was thinking of.
[19:59] <cancer> Snowhog: mind telling what actually was in you mind?
[20:00] <cancer> lordievader: and it works for all linux distro's as well?
[20:00] <lordievader> cancer: The lsb command? No idea never tried it anywhere else.
[20:01] <cancer> what is 'b_release'?
[20:02] <lordievader> cancer: I have no b_release command.
[20:03] <cancer> lordievader: no, you just showed me 'lsb_release -a'. that's what i'm asking about.
[20:06] <lordievader> cancer: Well it shows you ubuntu related info, like the Distribution id, the release, the codename, etc.
[20:06] <Snowhog> cancer: Are you asking what DE you are currently using, or what additional DE's you might also have installed?
[20:08] <cancer> Snowhog: i was asking about your thinkings, those brought that 'Dang' with big D. :-p
 cancer: Dang. Never mind. Not what I was thinking of.
[20:09] <lordievader> What do you two mean with DE?
[20:09] <Snowhog> DE = Desktop Environment
[20:10] <lordievader> Ahh hey thank you Snowhog
[20:11] <cancer> lordievader: What, how come you don't know about DE O_o
[20:12] <BluesKaj> cancer , stop trolling
[20:14] <cancer> BluesKaj: what's trolling about it.
[20:14] <lordievader> cancer: There are many things I do not know. There are also many things I want to know, and many things that I do not want to know. There are even things that I do not want to know and are not know to me.
[20:14] <cancer> i'm just trying to learn.
[20:15] <cancer> lordievader: is that also considered in 'trolling'? :-|
[20:15] <BluesKaj> cancer, you can't learn from asking why someone doesn't know something
[20:15] <cancer> sorry, just want to clear myself
[20:16] <cancer> BluesKaj: don't take it that way. thanks
[20:16] <BluesKaj> lordievader, trolling is asking inane questions
[20:16] <BluesKaj> !troll
[20:17] <BluesKaj> !trolling
[20:17] <BluesKaj> one more time
[20:17] <m4v> BluesKaj: factoid was removed afaik, too many people using it wrong.
[20:17] <BluesKaj> !info troll
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ok m4v
[20:17] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I do know what tolling is. Spend too much time on 9gag.
[20:18] <cancer> BluesKaj: i never came here with those intentions, that's what you judged.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> it's not a judgment ..it's a fact
[20:18] <cancer> lordievader: sorry, i was thinking to used word remember instead of 'know', but nothing left now for explanations.
[20:19] <lordievader> Anyhow this is getting offtopic, shall we return to kubuntu-help?
[20:19] <cancer> BluesKaj: factoids are removed. that's also a fact. that's not how to Treat someone.
[20:19] <cancer> lordievader: sure :-), Sorry again. i never meant that.
[20:20] <lordievader> cancer: I don't mind.
[20:21] <cancer> BluesKaj
[20:22] <cancer> BluesKaj: sorry
[20:24] <cancer> lordievader: may i ask about kubuntu offtopic channel name?
[20:24] <lordievader> cancer: #kubuntu-offtopic.
[20:25]  * cancer thanked lordievader
[20:26] <lordievader> cancer: No problem.
[20:45] <ScottyK> Is there a way for two users to share the same directory? I want to put some videos in a folder that the kids (from thier logon) can also access.
[20:48] <lordievader> ScottyK: Sure, have the two users in the same group and make the folder readable and writeable to the group.
[20:52] <ScottyK> lordievader - thanks, I'll give that a try!
[20:53] <lordievader> ScottyK: No problem and good luck!
[21:04] <carhothion> Hey everyone. I'm new to Linux, just recently installed Kubuntu. Any recommendations on programs I should install as must haves?
[21:13] <george___> Hello! Could you please help me fix my wireless? I have no wireless connection since I've removed DKMS!
[21:16] <Joit> can someone help me with the drive c path from wine 1.4?   it looks for a /home/user/documents/.wine/dosdevices/c. not ./whine/dosdevices/c
[21:46] <daniel115> hello
[21:46] <ed34567> hi, I installed nvida drivers on my laptop but they dont work, now my laptop resolution became 640x460 or smth like that, how do i reinstall the default/original dirvers? (kde)
[22:36] <BarkingFish> Howdy :)  Anyone know if it's possible to get Kanji and Kana to show up in a terminal or tty please?
[23:31] <Daskreech> n 16


[04:28] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:06] <Kilos> morning all
[07:16] <Squirm> Morning
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:36] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:37] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[08:39] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[08:39] <SDCDev> I just got back into bed, trying to keep warm :|
[08:39] <Kilos> hi there SDCDev
[08:40] <Kilos> lol where are you thats so cold
[08:40] <Kilos> i just been outside soaking some UV's for warmth too
[09:51] <SDCDev> Im in jbay Kilos
[09:51] <Kilos> thats not cold man come try ptown
[09:52] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:52] <Kilos> more
[11:55] <kulelu88> ping superfly
[12:19] <Kilos> did he not say 8.30 tonight kulelu88
[12:19] <Kilos> thats after kids are in bed
[12:24] <kulelu88> oh yes, I forgot the time
[14:03] <Squirm> ergh
[14:03] <Squirm> being load shed
[14:04] <Kilos> eish
[15:37] <Cantide> hi everyone :p
[15:38] <Kilos> hi Cantide  hows things?
[15:38] <Cantide> awesome~~
[15:38] <Cantide> i just cycled around Seoul
[15:38] <Cantide> well, not around Seoul, around my part of Seoul
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <Cantide> it's 00:38 and i just got home :D
[15:38] <Cantide> feeling energized :)
[15:38] <Kilos> wow go sleep man
[15:38] <Cantide> how are you
[15:38] <Cantide> ?
[15:38] <Cantide> nah
[15:39] <Kilos> good ty
[15:39] <Cantide> i'll sleep around 1 :p
[15:39] <Kilos> what time you get up?
[15:39] <Cantide> around 08:30
[15:39] <Cantide> not so early :D
[15:39] <Cantide> work starts at 12 noon '-';;;
[15:40] <Kilos> ah then plenty of sleep time
[15:40] <Cantide> yup
[15:40] <Cantide> i can sleep in until 10 if i want
[15:40] <Kilos> cool
[15:41] <Cantide> what are you up to?
[15:41] <Cantide> it's almost 6 pm there, right? dinner time!
[15:42] <Kilos> yeah im bathed and sitting at the pc watching the time go by
[15:42] <Kilos> hehe
[15:43] <kulelu88_away> What is the cost of living in Seoul?
[15:45] <Cantide> hmmmm
[15:45] <Cantide> kinda expensive
[15:45] <kulelu88_away> in dollar terms per month?
[15:45] <Cantide> my rent is about R 6 000 a month for a studio apartment
[15:45] <kulelu88_away> that's all????
[15:45] <kulelu88_away> define studio apartment?
[15:45] <Cantide> food costs me about R 3 000 a month if i eat just rice lol
[15:46] <Cantide> but usually i spend about R 10 000 on food and drink each month :'(
[15:46] <Cantide> hmmm... it's about 20 m^2 - including my kitchen area and bathroom
[15:46] <Cantide> furnished and clean
[15:47] <kulelu88_away> so basically a box. I thought you meant studio as in "top-floor, across the building" apartment
[15:47] <Cantide> aha
[15:47] <Cantide> i wish
[15:48] <Cantide> that's probably like R 20 000 a month lol
[15:48] <Cantide> if you want, you can live in a literal box - about 3 m^2 for probably close to R 1 000 a month and save tons of cash
[15:48] <Cantide> lots of options here
[15:50] <kulelu88_away> including women?
[15:50] <kulelu88_away> :D
[15:50] <Cantide> lolz
[15:50] <Cantide> there are plenty of those, too
[15:51] <kulelu88_away> do they eat squid and smell?
[15:51] <Cantide> some do
[15:51] <Cantide> i've seen my ex eat boiled silkworm pupae
[15:51] <Cantide> needless to say she is my ex
[15:51] <kulelu88_away> ehh. what are you doing in Seoul? teacher?
[15:51] <Cantide> but mostly they don't smell at all and they're very very sweet :p
[15:51] <Cantide> yeah
[15:51] <Cantide> not much else to do
[15:52] <kulelu88_away> I'm assuming you're a young white male?
[15:52] <Kilos> Cantide  did you get married yet?
[15:52] <kulelu88_away> Old people and marriage. Psshhh
[15:53] <Kilos> he is a durbanite
[15:53] <kulelu88_away> indian fellow?
[15:55] <Cantide> not yet :p
[15:55] <Cantide> kulelu88_away, not that young, but yes, white male
[15:55] <Kilos> very young man
[15:55] <Cantide> I've met English teachers here from Ecuador and even Nigeria
[15:56] <Cantide> anything is possible
[15:56] <Cantide> 31 is not so young... -.-v
[15:56] <Kilos> lol
[15:57] <Kilos> we had a guy here a few days back that is 76
[15:57] <Kilos> just switched to ubuntu
[15:57] <Cantide> o_o;;
[15:58] <Cantide> one of my students is 58 and he just built himself a tube amp and some radio transceivers :D
[15:58] <Kilos> cool
[16:01] <Cantide> bye kulelu88 .-.
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> wb kulelu88
[16:16] <Cantide> wb
[16:17] <Cantide> oh... sleep time! good night~
[16:53] <magespawn> good evening
[16:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:06] <magespawn> back again
[17:09] <superfly> kulelu88: pong
[17:33] <kulelu88> hey superfly
[17:33] <kulelu88> I adjusted my algorithm to now use recursion but I am still working on a solution for it
[17:34] <superfly> hey kulelu88, I'm just busy getting the kids into bed, I'll be back in about 20/30 minutes
[17:39] <superfly> recursion -_-
[17:39] <superfly> recursion is not the answer... "no" is the answer :-P
[18:03] <smile4ever> hoi :p
[18:12] <kulelu88> lol
[18:29] <superfly> kulelu88: sorry, got distracted there for a few... what's the problem?
[18:30] <Kilos> hi smile4ever  superfly
[18:30] <smile4ever> :D
[18:30] <smile4ever> hi Kilos
[18:32] <smile4ever> how are you doing, Kilos
[18:33] <kulelu88> superfly: let me show you my original code
[18:33] <Kilos> getting alone ok ty smile4ever  and you?
[18:33] <smile4ever> you alone?
[18:33] <Kilos> nono getting along
[18:33] <kulelu88> https://pastee.org/fwd68
[18:34] <smile4ever> I'm tired and broke, no money left :p
[18:34] <Kilos> im never alone when i am online
[18:34] <smile4ever> :D
[18:34] <smile4ever> that's the spirit, Kilos
[18:34] <kulelu88> Now I'm trying to make this function recursive
[18:34] <Kilos> oh my what did you do?
[18:34] <smile4ever> kulelu88: for if for?? :o
[18:34] <smile4ever> :o
[18:34] <Kilos> huh?
[18:35] <kulelu88> smile4ever: this is powerful stuff mate. I can throw in a while there as well ;)
[18:35] <smile4ever> Kilos: check the code URL he posted ;)
[18:36] <smile4ever> Kilos: I did not have a lot to spend, but now I'm fully broke :P
[18:36] <smile4ever> I ate.
[18:36] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:36] <smile4ever> and I parked my car ;)
[18:36] <Kilos> at least your tummy is full
[18:36] <superfly> kulelu88: what's the aim of the script? is the aim to make it recursive, or is the aim something else and you think recursion is the solution?
[18:36] <smile4ever> Kilos: unlike my benzine tank :p
[18:36] <kulelu88> superfly: the aim is to check which numbers in the list add up to 30
[18:37] <kulelu88> My logic is sound the way I'm doing it, but extending my for loops into a nested structure is difficult
[18:38] <kulelu88> Unless ... I have a complex way of going through the for loop
[18:38] <superfly> so you want a list of numbers, which together add up to 30?
[18:40] <kulelu88> superfly: let me show you my algorithm in pseudocode that I want to make into a recursive function. I think I've figured it out, but you will understand my pseudocode better
[18:40] <superfly> OK
[18:42] <kulelu88> superfly: https://pastee.org/5pdtd
[18:44] <kulelu88> you probably see it now and have a similar solution to me. Now I'm coding it
[18:46] <superfly> hmmm
[18:46] <kulelu88> let me code my solution and show you. Unless you're logging out
[18:52] <superfly> Not now, so let me see your solution. I'm busy looking at it as well.
[18:58] <kulelu88> darn. I can't get the part where the function calls itself and it adds the second, and third numbers
[19:00] <kulelu88> superfly: can you tell me what this means: addi(lt2[1:]) ??
[19:00] <kulelu88> addi = a list
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <smile4ever> bye :p
[19:05] <smile4ever> slaapwel :)
[19:06] <Kilos> you too smile4ever
[19:06] <Kilos> be good
[19:07] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm not sure what addi() does
[19:07] <superfly> never seen that syntax
[19:07] <kulelu88> addi is a list =D
[19:07] <smile4ever> thanks! :p
[19:08] <superfly> I know what lt[1:] does
[19:08] <kulelu88> no wait shit sorry
[19:08] <kulelu88> addi is the function name
[19:08] <superfly> ah
[19:08] <kulelu88> I think I get it now. I think!!
[19:09] <superfly> kulelu88: this *almost* works: http://bin.snyman.info/v7zsg
[19:09] <superfly> that while could be a "for"
[19:10]  * Squirm lewks around
[19:11] <kulelu88> whoa I've never seen things like enumerate before
[19:13] <superfly> slightly neater: http://bin.snyman.info/p6k6q
[19:14] <superfly> still not working, but I think it's better than recursion
[19:15] <superfly> not sure my algorithm is entirely correct though, to be honest
[19:16] <superfly> enumerate() returns a tuple of (index, value)
[19:18] <superfly> technically what you *should* be doing is testing 9 + 8 + 15 + ... then 9 + 15 + ...
[19:18] <superfly> and what I'm doing is testing 9 + 8 + 15 + ... then 8 + 15 + ...
[19:21] <superfly> kulelu88: is this cheating? http://bin.snyman.info/j5utp
[19:23] <superfly> fewer iterations: http://bin.snyman.info/pbmad
[19:23] <superfly> still not 100% right
[19:24] <kulelu88> superfly: not really looking for the code :P just looking for some guidance. So don't stress about figuring it out with code
[19:24] <kulelu88> It's a self-challenge
[19:24] <kulelu88> I could keep nesting my solution with many for loops and it would work, but that code would be horrible
[19:28] <superfly> Indeed. You can use recursion, but I'm trying to find an iterative way to solve it.
[19:28] <superfly> Without thousands of nested loops
[19:29] <kulelu88> I don't quite get the else part of recursion when you call the function on itself
[19:30] <kulelu88> superfly: in a recursive way, how would you make 9 + 8, 9 + 15, 9 + 10 ?
[19:37] <superfly> return addi(num, rest_of_array)
[19:38] <superfly> depending on how the rest of the function is structured
[19:39] <kulelu88> that could actually work. where the array is sliced and an array of all numbers excluding the first is returned and each is added individually to point 0.
[19:41] <kulelu88> superfly: this is flawed, but what do you think: https://pastee.org/cujvm
[19:43] <superfly> kulelu88: getting there
[19:49] <kulelu88> My code ran but I got output None :D
[19:58] <superfly> ja, you have a few issues
[19:59] <superfly> functions are called with () not []
[20:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:02] <kulelu88> I see you can't add a list and int as well
[20:20] <superfly> kulelu88: maybe try solving fibonacci instead? it's a little easier :-P
[20:21] <kulelu88> haha. You know where this challenge comes from? Somebody posted a job posting about it and I want to solve it
[20:22] <kulelu88> superfly: Ok I figured out where I went wrong. The algorithm I gave you is wrong :(
[20:32] <superfly> kulelu88: do you have a link to the original job posting?
[20:33] <kulelu88> check the CTPUG for May.