[00:08] <xrandr> im trying to use the nvidia driver i downloaded via kpackagekit... when i ran nvidia-xconfig as root it wrote an xorg.conf. I tried putting it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restarted KDM. It will not restart. I'm  using Kubuntu 10.04
[00:10] <caprea_> KDm wont restart?
[00:11] <caprea_> xrandr, I have had success with using 'envyng'
[00:11] <xrandr> what is envyng?
[00:12] <caprea_> from manual pageS:
[00:12] <caprea_> EnvyNG  is  an application written in Python which will
[00:12] <caprea_>        download the latest ATI or NVIDIA driver or the  Legacy  driver
[00:12] <caprea_>        (for  older  cards)  (according to the model of your card) from
[00:12] <caprea_>        ATI or Nvidia's website and set it up for you  handling  depen‐
[00:12] <FloodBotK1> caprea_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:12] <caprea_>        dencies  (compilers,  OpenGL, etc.) which are required in order
[00:15] <xrandr> ok
[00:15] <caprea_> I did apt-get for envyng (I think its in KPackageKit too)
[00:15] <caprea_> and can be run from cammand line
[00:16] <xrandr> ok, thank you
[00:16] <xrandr> lemme try that
[00:17] <PeterDrop> hi all
[00:18] <PeterDrop> somebody can help a newvie with kubuntu and sound, its not working
[00:20] <PeterDrop> nobody? ::::(
[00:22] <xrandr> caprea_: i cannot get envy. Using kpackagekit and searching for it, it does not show up
[00:23] <caprea_> let me check mine
[00:24] <caprea_> it shows up as 'envyng'
[00:25] <caprea_> but another thing worth trying to get it is 'sudo apt-get install envyng'
[00:25] <xrandr> i did
[00:25] <xrandr> cant find it
[00:26] <xrandr> brb
[00:39] <Hazamonzo> As soon as i tried to build a custom ship
[00:42] <xrandr> caprea_: still no go
[00:43] <caprea_> if you download the latest driver form nvidia it should modify the x11 conf directly
[00:46] <xrandr> ok
[00:48] <xrandr> gotta get out of X
[00:48] <xrandr> brb
[00:55] <PeterDrop> iam in the right place to make a question?
[00:55] <PeterDrop> or is another channel?
[01:16] <xrandr> caprea_: i got it, thanks :)
[01:16] <caprea_> what did you do?
[01:16] <xrandr> used my old xorg.conf file after i instralled the latest drivers from nvidia's site
[01:17] <caprea_> ok
[01:17] <xrandr> purrin like a kittn ;D
[01:27] <wrr_> hello
[01:28] <Typos_King> allo
[01:28] <wrr_> kate led the crashment of the plasma-desktop
[01:28] <Typos_King> ok, good to know :)
[01:29] <wrr_> you too?
[01:29] <Typos_King> no :)
[01:29] <wrr_> hh
[01:31] <wrr_> and I tried upgrade ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04,but failed,now I could only  operater int the shell
[01:31] <wrr_> sad.....
[01:32] <Typos_King> the advise will be, do a full install :)
[01:34] <wrr_> I know,but  it's late now?What should I do?
[01:34] <iconmefisto> wrr_: you're not the only one. #ubuntu+1 is the lucid 10.04 support channel
[01:34] <wrr_> hh
[01:36] <wrr_> Should I reinstall the system?
[01:36] <iconmefisto> wrr_: you can try to get it working. like I said, your problem is not uncommon in lucid at this stage
[01:38] <wrr_> thank you,maybe I could do it after the beta comes out
[01:40] <iconmefisto> wrr_: beta was out, now it's RC
[01:41] <iconmefisto> wrr_: make sure you've got the latest packages installed: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:42] <wrr_> really?Let me try it
[01:43] <caprea_> How can I replace a default package with the latest? For example the Kopete I have is version 0.80 but I want version 0.90
[01:44] <iconmefisto> !info kopete
[01:45] <Typos_King> caprea_:     remove the old one, and then install the new one, I think you can also do an 'upgrade' on it too
[01:45] <caprea_> An apt upgrade?
[01:46] <caprea_> And will that cause conflicts with KPackageKit ?
[01:47] <iconmefisto> caprea_: lucid will be released in a week. it has kopete version 1.0.0
[01:47] <Typos_King> ... no from what I can tell :|
[01:47] <caprea_> oh, well I can wait a week, thanks
[01:47] <Typos_King> it seems it only does all or none
[01:47] <Typos_King> caprea_:     just remove it with-> sudo apt-get remove kopete;  and then install the new one
[01:49] <iconmefisto> caprea_: actually kopete 1.0.0 comes with kde4.4, which you could install now in karmic. see the link in !topic
[01:49] <caprea_> !topic
[01:52] <wrr_> ubuntu upgrade error:couldn't configure 'util-linux'
[01:52] <wrr_> please help
[01:53] <iconmefisto> wrr_: that happens after you did the apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:53] <wrr_> yes
[01:54] <iconmefisto> any errors when you did apt-get update?
[01:54] <wrr_> no
[01:54] <iconmefisto> ok try this first: sudo apt-get install -f
[01:55] <wrr_> ok
[01:55] <iconmefisto> wrr_: might be a good idea to join #ubuntu+1 (the lucid support channel)
[01:56] <Guest4991> new kubuntu user here? why cant I su in terminal? doesnt take my password but works for everything else
[01:57] <Typos_King> !sudo | Guest4991
[01:57] <Guest4991> ?
[01:58] <Typos_King> Guest4991:     in debian-based distributions, su is not enabled, and thus you need to use 'sudo' :), is done as a precautionary rule
[01:58] <caprea_> I think I've done "sudo su" on ubuntu
[01:58] <Typos_King> if you must 'su', you can always do -> sudo su;   howeve is rather discouraged :)
[01:59] <Guest4991> so whats the sudo command to elevate that terminals priv
[01:59] <caprea_> sudo is the command
[01:59] <Typos_King> caprea_:   yeah, so have I, I like su too, but I can do without, I guess I understand their concern
[01:59] <Guest4991> im a new linux user and not understanding
[01:59] <Typos_King> heheh
[01:59] <Guest4991> typing just sudo shows its usage .. how do i actually elevate
[02:00] <Typos_King> you're new and you want to use a feature you dunno?  I don't get that
[02:00] <caprea_> okay a normal user might type "mkdir temp"
[02:00] <iconmefisto> Guest4991: sudo <command>
[02:00] <caprea_> if you dont have write permission, you might, instead, to "sudo mkdir temp"
[02:01] <Guest4991> i come from suse and found I had to su all the time for things, just curious of the equiv and how it differs ..
[02:01] <caprea_> and 'mkdir' means "make directory" so if you didnt have persmission to make a directory then adding sudo tot he front would give persmission
[02:01] <Guest4991> i see
[02:01] <caprea_> you can try "sudo su" if you must
[02:01] <Typos_King> Guest4991:    so have I, I'd run suse10, so
[02:01] <iconmefisto> or sudo -s
[02:01] <Guest4991> that clears it up caprea .. i didnt understand suda was a prefix to other commands, i thought i needed to elevate with sudo before my command
[02:02] <Typos_King> suse has both by the way, 'su' and 'sudo' as well, in ubuntu is just only 'sudo' for the sake of avoiding some folks messing up accidentally
[02:02] <Guest4991> yast drove me away from suse, just to install klibido and pypar2 was a headache, enough of that
[02:02] <Typos_King> ?
[02:02] <Typos_King> really?
[02:02] <Typos_King> I get along with yast just fine :|
[02:02] <caprea_> This might clear things up, Guest: http://xkcd.com/149/
[02:03] <iconmefisto> caprea_: make me a sandwich?
[02:03] <Guest4991> i couldnt just install klibido like i can in ubuntu with apt-get or kpackagekit
[02:03] <Guest4991> it wouldnt even handle dependencies, was nasty
[02:03] <Guest4991> on suse that is^
[02:04] <Guest4991> problems can be seen here, http://forums.opensuse.org/get-help-here/applications/437570-installing-klibido-other-app-installation-frustrations.html
[02:06] <wrr_> I can enter the X,but the mouse and keybord are not usable
[02:06] <wrr_> help
[02:06] <wrr_> ubuntu
[02:07] <wrr_> help
[02:07] <OxDeadC0de> how can I make *buntu automatically run fsck on an unclean shutdown like it used to?
[02:22] <iconmefisto> OxDeadC0de: it still does, doesn't it?
[02:23] <OxDeadC0de> not a full scan like it used to
[02:24] <iconmefisto> OxDeadC0de: well you can force it to do a fsck on next boot: sudo touch /forcefsck
[02:24] <OxDeadC0de> I know that. I just want the old behavior back (Even with that 15 minute bootup problem)
[02:25]  * iconmefisto shrugs
[02:46] <caprea_> whast the command to determine current version of ubuntu im using?
[02:48] <seawolf> caprea_ lsb_release -a
[02:50] <caprea_> thats hard to remmeber
[02:51] <karmic_koala> hi
[02:52] <tito_> hello
[02:52] <karmic_koala> i have a problem to conect to internet via wifi
[02:52] <karmic_koala> im using wicd
[02:52] <karmic_koala> abut if i put a static ip i can connect perfectly
[02:53] <karmic_koala> i think its must be a problem with the interfaces
[02:54] <tito_> help with cdrom every time when I put a disk in despair from my places any help???
[03:04] <Guest30284> can anyone tell me what codec i need for kaffiene to play .mkv files
[03:06] <Guest30284> yay i leave suse for stupid problems, and get stupid problems in kubuntu .. cant win
[03:07] <Guest30284> video playback looks horrid in kubuntu .. ive installed many codecs .. and still cant get .mkv's to work in anything but vlc .. and they look HORRID compared to my windows box in same res next to me
[03:07] <karmic_koala> so?
[03:07] <karmic_koala> no body can helpme?
[03:07] <CrazyDoode> !video
[03:09]  * CrazyDoode begins to spin slowly in a counter clockwise manner while engulfed in a barely visible shimmering cloud.
[03:10] <Guest30284> i have those restricted codecs.. still no mkv playback
[03:10] <CrazyDoode> no playback at all or (lousy) playback?
[03:11] <Guest30284> none in kaffiene .. just vlc and it looks horrible
[03:11] <CrazyDoode> try mplayer..
[03:11] <Guest30284> i had kaffiene playing very crisp in suse, cant get it to work here
[03:11] <Guest30284> shoudnt have to .. i know kaffiene works
[03:11] <Guest30284> mplayer looks like vlc anyways .. crap
[03:11] <CrazyDoode> ok.. i guess you know better.. cya!
[03:11] <Guest30284> well thats clear as day .. works there, doesnt work here
[03:11] <Guest30284> should work here
[03:12]  * genii spins in a fourth-dimensional manner casting a three dimensional shimmering cloud of coffee
[03:48] <fbxxkl> Anyone know why I might be having trouble connecting to MSN through empathy?\
[03:49] <fbxxkl> I got DC
[03:49] <fbxxkl> oops anyway perhaps a place I can go for support?
[03:59] <okuriinu> good night
[03:59] <okuriinu> please can someone help with a graphics cadrd
[03:59] <okuriinu> graphics tablet sorry
[04:00] <iconmefisto> !ask | okuriinu
[04:00] <okuriinu> ok i will
[04:02] <okuriinu> how to configure the tablet is a di pen from acteck model ap-8000?
[04:06] <iconmefisto> okuriinu: found this: http://camrto.blogspot.com/2009/09/acteck-dipen-ap-8000-on-ubuntu-linux.html
[04:08] <okuriinu> thanks i try it
[04:24] <xrandr> in /etc/fstab, do you have to use a UUID to specify a drive, or can I still use a device name?
[04:35] <iconmefisto> xrandr: like /dev/sda1 ? that should still work
[04:35] <xrandr> ok
[04:35] <xrandr> yea that's what i was lookin for :)
[04:36] <xrandr> thank you
[04:37] <iconmefisto> xrandr: I may be wrong though. possibly uuid is needed for / or /home partitions for upstart to work at boot?
[04:37] <xrandr> nah im using it for /media/disk2
[04:39] <iconmefisto> xrandr: well in that case, I can tell you it works for me
[04:39] <xrandr> ok
[04:39] <xrandr> thanks
[04:40] <iconmefisto> xrandr: worked in karmic, and now I've upgraded to lucid, still the same
[04:50] <xrandr> ok, next question. I'm using Firefox (latest version) with the latest version of flash player. I get no sound from streaming flash movies...  ideas?
[04:56] <iconmefisto> xrandr: do you have pulseaudio installed?
[04:56] <xrandr> no
[04:57] <xrandr> im guessing it's a requirement?
[04:57] <iconmefisto> no, not in kubuntu. without it is easier
[04:58] <xrandr> good
[04:58] <xrandr> other sound works fine
[04:58] <iconmefisto> speaker-test -c2 -twav  <-- does that make any sound
[04:59] <xrandr> nope
[05:01] <iconmefisto> any errors on that command?
[05:01] <xrandr> yeah quite a bit
[05:01] <xrandr> Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[05:03] <iconmefisto> !audio
[05:03] <iconmefisto> !flash
[05:06] <xrandr> iconmefisto: but amarok works fine. the "Test" button in the multimedia settings from Computer Settings works fine too
[05:08] <iconmefisto> !info phonon-backend-mplayer
[05:09] <iconmefisto> !info phonon-backend-gstreamer
[05:10] <iconmefisto> xrandr: installing phonon-backend-gstreamer might be a quick fix. after installing it, you will have gstreamer as well as the default xine backend in systemsettings>multimedia
[05:12] <iconmefisto> xrandr: if you do want to try that, move the gstreamer backend above xine backend, see if that works for speaker-test or flash sound
[05:14] <xrandr> nope
[05:14] <xrandr> that didn't work
[05:14] <xrandr> it's a REALLY old external soundblaster card
[05:15] <iconmefisto> xrandr: I doubt it will work, but you can try installing flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[05:16] <iconmefisto> xrandr: after installing, restart firefox and test
[05:16] <xrandr> k
[05:17] <iconmefisto> but if it doesn't work, probably should remove that package. I had no sound problems in flash, but installing that stopped flash sound working
[05:18] <iconmefisto> it's mainly for enabling flash sound thru pulseaudio (which you don't have)
[05:19] <xrandr> well i installed the flash plugin from adobe
[05:19] <xrandr> was that not a good idea?
[05:20] <iconmefisto> from the website?
[05:20] <xrandr> yes
[05:21] <iconmefisto> should be ok. the only difference is you won't get automatic upgrades with apt
[05:22] <iconmefisto> !info flashplugin-installer
[05:22] <weecol> adobe have a apt repositiory download
[05:23] <weecol> find that from the same location and it will update automatically
[05:24] <iconmefisto> kubuntu-restricted-extras installs it too (along with other things, sun java, mp3 support, ms fonts, etc)
[05:24] <xrandr> ah ok
[05:26] <wrr_> 恩
[05:26] <wrr_> 怎么不用汉语
[05:26] <iconmefisto> ?
[05:27] <wrr_> xorg.conf
[05:27] <wrr_> why not write in chinese
[05:29] <iconmefisto> wrong channel wrr_
[05:29] <wrr_> ?
[05:29] <iconmefisto> english in this channel
[05:29] <wrr_> hh
[05:30] <iconmefisto> is that actually chinese, or you just playing?
[05:30] <wrr_> chinese
[05:31] <wrr_> learning
[05:31] <iconmefisto> !ch
[05:31] <iconmefisto> no that's not it :)
[05:31] <iconmefisto> !cn
[05:31] <iconmefisto> practice there wrr_ :)
[05:31] <wrr_> thank you
[05:35] <xrandr> sdfsdfdsfsdfsdfdsfsdfsdf
[05:40] <wrr_> hello,i'm back
[05:40] <xrandr> as am i
[05:40] <wrr_> upgrade game over
[05:40] <wrr_> ..............
[05:42] <BiggFREE> Hi
[05:42] <wrr_> how to write xorg.conf
[05:42] <genii> !hi | BiggFREE
[05:43] <BiggFREE> I am just reading for now.  Thanks
[05:43] <rajmahendra> i am using ubuntu 9.10 can i install new KED 4.4 ?
[05:43] <wrr_> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <rajmahendra> after installing kde.. i can uninstall gnome right ?
[05:45] <moetunes> rajmahendra: yep
[05:45] <rajmahendra> thank you.
[05:46] <iconmefisto> rajmahendra: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[05:47] <rajmahendra> thank you
[06:39] <panther> Hi
[06:40] <panther> I need help
[06:48] <pathak> hey how do i get a proxy in bash?
[06:49] <pathak> i added export http_proxy to my bashrc but it still doesnt work
[06:58] <iconmefisto> pathak: your question is not kde-related. maybe try asking in #ubuntu since it's so quiet in here right now
[07:04] <karmic_koala> hi
[07:04] <karmic_koala> somebody can help me?
[07:05] <iconmefisto> karmic_koala: ask and see
[07:05] <karmic_koala> ok
[07:06] <karmic_koala> my problem is that if i dont put a static ip on etc/networking/interfaces i canot conect via wifi
[07:06] <karmic_koala> im using wicd on ubuntu karmic koala 9.10
[07:07] <karmic_koala> no body can help?
[07:09] <iconmefisto> pretty quiet right now
[07:09] <iconmefisto> karmic_koala: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:23] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, I am pretty upset with kubuntu right now. First with kubuntu 9.04 I lost sound, now with kubuntu 10.04 I have lost wireless networking
[07:23] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a reason why the hardware support is degrading as I am upgrade through the various distro releases?
[07:25] <iconmefisto> CPrgmSwR2: unlucky, I think. for me, hardware support is improving
[07:27] <CPrgmSwR2> iconmefisto: naturally you would think that should be the case
[07:28] <iconmefisto> CPrgmSwR2: and still no sound in 10.04?
[07:28] <CPrgmSwR2> Yep
[07:28] <CPrgmSwR2> I had sound in the 8.10 release I beleive
[07:28] <CPrgmSwR2> its been a long long time
[07:29] <iconmefisto> CPrgmSwR2: I've never had sound working on this laptop, until lucid, I can now get sound with headphones, but from the mic jack! I guess that's an improvement :)
[07:30] <CPrgmSwR2> I do have sound from the head phone jack actually, it just doesn't come out of the laptop speakers, which does me no good
[07:30] <CPrgmSwR2> I like to have the sound of instance messages and other notifications
[07:31] <CPrgmSwR2> kde4 is really awsome
[07:31] <CPrgmSwR2> Just hardware support sucks
[07:32] <CPrgmSwR2> iconmefisto: I guess what I need to do is order a dell linux system
[07:37] <iconmefisto> CPrgmSwR2: have you asked about it in #ubuntu+1 (lucid support channel)
[07:45] <michap> hey
[07:46] <michap> is anyone there? I neeeeeeeed some help!
[07:51] <_scottl> michap: just ask your qustion, anybody that can help will do so :)
[07:52] <michap> thnx. I installed yesterday Kubuntu 9.10 on the desktop my university just gave me for my research and I have no sound!
[07:52] <michap> (on the preinstalled windows there was sound)
[07:53] <michap> i tryed that: sudo alsa force-reload
[07:53] <michap> and had that pop up window:
[07:53] <michap> kde detected that one or more internal sound drivers were removed
[07:53] <michap> Do you want KDE to permamently forget about these devises?
[07:53] <michap> This is the list of devises KDE thinks can be removed:
[07:53] <michap> capture: HDA Intel (AD198x Analog)
[07:53] <michap> Output: HDA Intel (AD198x Analog)
[07:54] <FloodBotK1> michap: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:54] <michap> thnx and sorry for that! first time user of irc :-)
[07:59] <_scottl> do you know what soundcard you have? Do those devices reappear on reboot?
[08:00] <_scottl> can you install the 10.04 RC or wait a couple of days for the release? :)
[08:02] <michap> I also deleted the file:
[08:02] <michap> .kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc
[08:02] <michap> which i thought was the problem when I looked that post:
[08:02] <michap> http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9125393
[08:02] <michap> (I may did it the wrong way because I just droped it to the recycle bin)
[08:02] <FloodBotK1> michap: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:04] <michap> I suppose is the soundcard is that the pop up told me but I could what till the end of the month for the LTS release if it will fix my problem
[08:20] <mimail_> hi i want to konw how to open my romote login
[08:26] <_scottl> micap: I would try 10.04. There has been a lot of work done on KDE sound handling.
[08:37] <michap> _scottl: thnks for the attention. I'll wait for 6 days and hope to get my prob fixed!
[09:15] <vivek_> hii can anyone here tel me of a good dock for KDE and how to install it :-)
[09:18] <Kolia> vivek_: a dock?
[09:19] <Kolia> using a panel will do it no?
[09:19] <vivek_> Kolia: Yes a dock... no I am planning to replace the panel with a dock
[09:20] <Kolia> vivek_: ok, what is the difference between a dock and a resized panel?
[09:21] <vivek_> Kolia:there is a lot of difference .. i guess it can be better understood if you just increase the size of the dock to the size of the panel
[09:59] <Ahmed\> Why i get an error when update finishes (GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com karmic Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:01] <vivek_> hii can anyone here tel me of a good dock for KDE and how to install it :-)
[10:03] <moetunes> vivek_: superkaramba has some docks - all I did was use google to find that out...
[10:04] <moetunes> !superkaramba
[10:04] <vivek_> moetunes:but is superkaramba not deprecated
[10:04] <moetunes> vivek_: I wouldn't know
[10:05] <vivek_> moetunes:do we not have something like cairo dock or gnome do
[10:05] <moomoo> bn
[10:05] <moetunes> vivek_: it is not something I've looked into
[10:05] <vivek_> moetunes:it is deprecated .. a little google told me that
[10:06] <vivek_> moetunes:thanks a ton.. sorry for the trouble
[10:07] <moetunes> vivek_: http://everydaylht.com/essential-linux-apps-2/desktop/cairo-dock/
[10:11] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: Erm, a panel with widgets?
[10:12] <moetunes> with docks the icons resize on mouseover is the appeal I think
[10:13] <TheAncientGoat> STasks and Fancytasks have that functionality
[11:13] <coteyr> anyone here willing to help get my multimedia keys working in the lucid beta. they used to work, but now there not even emitting events and I am not sure where to look
[11:14] <moetunes> someone in #ubuntu+1 might know if noone here does coteyr
[11:20] <alexis_> hi! im trying to install kubnutu 10.04rc by a usbkey, with a desktop iso. Live demo work fine; but when i try to install, check disk befor partitionning stop at 47% evry time..
[11:21] <alexis_> its on a asus ul30a laptop; maybe others partition (ntfs with win 7) are encrypted; maybe its the cause of my prob (? )
[11:24] <moetunes> what is it trying to do at 47% alexis_ ?
[11:25] <alexis_> analyse hard drive and partition
[11:28] <alexis_> from 1% to 47% its quick (and the ard disk led, is blinking), but after that: nothing happens
[11:36] <alexis_> right.. it pass over 47% with another usbkey :D
[11:36] <alexis_> tx moetunes
[11:37] <moetunes> alexis_: all ok ?
[11:37] <moetunes> :]
[11:37] <alexis_> i follow installation, we'll see
[11:37] <moetunes> luck
[11:38] <iconmefisto> alexis_: are you creating all new partitions on this install?
[11:39] <alexis_> nop
[11:41] <iconmefisto> alexis_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/+bug/558382
[11:42] <iconmefisto> although it says "fix released"
[11:43] <moetunes> it sounds like the first usb was not  in the best condition
[12:54] <Hugo_> Hello
[12:54] <Hugo_> Could somebody help me?
[12:55] <Hugo_> Helloooo!?
[12:55] <noaXess> is there a simple way to remove the whole kde desktop?.. so i have just a running box with no X and no X apps?
[12:55] <Hugo_> I have no idea, sorry
[12:56] <Hugo_> Do you know how I can install and uninstall stuff on Kubuntu 9.10?
[12:56] <Hugo_> Because mine didn't come with Adept?
[12:56] <Hugo_> Or Synaptic
[12:56] <noaXess> Hugo_: normal .deb files over: sudo dpkg -i pacakge.deb
[12:56] <noaXess> Hugo_: apps from the kubuntu repos over: sudo apt-get install package-name
[12:56] <AlexZion> Hugo_: just try to install synaptic .... sudo apt-get install synaptic
[12:57] <AlexZion> Hugo_: or even kpackagemanager
[12:57] <noaXess> kpackagekit :)
[12:57] <Hugo_> Well, I tried kpackagekit and searched for something
[12:57] <Hugo_> And it didn't work?
[12:58] <AlexZion> yeah , I did a mistake , sorry .. :)
[12:58] <Hugo_> But I think that I'm installing adept now..?
[12:58] <Hugo_> sudo apt-get install adept?
[12:58] <Hugo_> I have adept now.
[12:59] <AlexZion> Hugo_: I think synaptic is the better way to manage your packages
[12:59] <Hugo_> Yeah
[12:59] <Hugo_> So do i :D
[12:59] <Hugo_> Installing synaptic now
[12:59] <Hugo_> Will it have the ubuntu repositries
[12:59] <Hugo_> BRB
[13:05] <Hugo_> Does anyone know how I can update kubuntu?
[13:05] <Hugo_> Because there's no update manager.....
[13:06] <Hugo_> And another thing, does anyone know how to get flash working on Kubuntu...?
[13:06] <moetunes> sudo apt-get update Hugo_
[13:06] <moetunes> !flash
[13:08] <Hugo_> Another thing....
[13:08] <Hugo_> Um..
[13:08] <Hugo_> It said to search for flashplugin-installer
[13:08] <Hugo_> I did that in Adept Package Manager
[13:08] <Hugo_> And it found that it was already installed?
[13:08] <Hugo_> So shouldn't Youtube work already?
[13:11] <moetunes> err I don't do youtube here
[13:12] <moetunes> !gnash
[13:13] <Hugo_> Thanks :)
[13:14] <Hugo_> I think I know why though
[13:14] <Hugo_> I was using Konqueror
[13:14] <TheAncientGoat> Hugo_: What version of kubuntu are you running?
[13:14] <Hugo_> And it should work on Mozilla?
[13:14] <Hugo_> 9.10?
[13:14] <Hugo_> Earlier I got the GNU Grub 1.97beta thing?
[13:14] <TheAncientGoat> Ok, then you should be using kpack, and not adept..
[13:14] <Hugo_> And I couldn't run Kubuntu
[13:14] <Hugo_> I had to uninstall kubuntu
[13:14] <Hugo_> format my hard drive
[13:14] <Hugo_> And re-install
[13:15] <Hugo_> Now there is a way to fix the GNU Grub 1.97beta in terminal right?
[13:15] <TheAncientGoat> Yep
[13:16] <TheAncientGoat> How did you "get" the new grub version?
[13:16] <Hugo_> I don't know..?
[13:16] <Hugo_> I just installed
[13:16] <Hugo_> Kubuntu
[13:16] <Hugo_> Then I shutdown
[13:16] <FloodBotK1> Hugo_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:16] <Hugo_> And restarted later
[13:16] <TheAncientGoat> Installed from the livecd?
[13:16] <Hugo_> Yes I installed inside Windows from the Live CD that i had burnt.
[13:17] <TheAncientGoat> Ok, but what was wrong with grub?
[13:17] <Hugo_> Well,
[13:17] <TheAncientGoat> It should let you chose between booting windows or kubuntu
[13:17] <Hugo_> Normally
[13:17] <TheAncientGoat> (also, if you want to install kubuntu only, installing it inside windows is a bad idea)
[13:18] <Hugo_> The windows boot loader comes up, Windows XP Professional and Kubuntu
[13:18] <Hugo_> I know.
[13:18] <Hugo_> And then I chose Kubuntu, and instead of coming up with the Linux.generic-9.10 thing it just came up with GNU GRUB 1.97beta
[13:18] <Hugo_> sh:grub:
[13:18] <Hugo_> And I don't know the codes for the fix..
[13:19] <TheAncientGoat> Does it say GRUB and nothing else?
[13:19] <Hugo_> Minimal bash something something..?
[13:19] <TheAncientGoat> Ah.. The instalation must have botched then. But I guess you managed to install it from the live-cd?
[13:20] <Hugo_> Again, into Windows
[13:20] <Hugo_> After re-formatting
[13:20] <TheAncientGoat> And it works now?
[13:21] <Hugo_> Well, I haven't restarted yet
[13:21] <Hugo_> But it happened to me a while ago on Ubuntu 9.10
[13:21] <TheAncientGoat> Wait, you re-formatted your entire pc, or did you have a seperate partition for kubuntu?
[13:21] <Hugo_> And I used some codes to fix it
[13:21] <Hugo_> I have a C and D drive.
[13:22] <Hugo_> I installed Kubuntu onto my D Drive, using Wubi, then I couldn't uninstall, permission denied or something so I reformatted.
[13:22] <TheAncientGoat> Ok, then why don't you install kubuntu on the D drive instead of installing it inside windows?
[13:23] <Hugo_> Because my friend told me that Windows didn't like running along side Kubuntu when it was in it's own partition
[13:24] <Hugo_> And this is the second time today that I have installed kubuntu...
[13:25] <TheAncientGoat> Installing it through wubi on its own partition causes problems
[13:25] <Hugo_> Oh.....?
[13:25] <TheAncientGoat> Installing it normally on its own partition is fine
[13:26] <TheAncientGoat> I've never had any problems with that, its pretty much the main way people do it
[13:26] <Hugo_> Ok well, before I fixed it by going into terminal..
[13:26] <Hugo_> And entering in some codes...?
[13:26] <Hugo_> Do you know them>/
[13:27] <TheAncientGoat> Nope. Its most probably something to fix the path for linux image, because you installed it on a seperate partition
[13:27] <TheAncientGoat> But anywa
[13:27] <TheAncientGoat> Don't install 9.10 now
[13:27] <TheAncientGoat> The next version of kubuntu is comming out next weekend
[13:27] <TheAncientGoat> And it has lots of improvements and stuff
[13:27] <Hugo_> ok
[13:27] <Hugo_> thanks`:D
[13:28] <TheAncientGoat> 9.10 has been problematic, but 10.04 is a LTS (supposedly stable) release, so it should give people less problems
[13:29] <TheAncientGoat> How are you running kubuntu at this moment though? Livecd?
[13:30] <TheAncientGoat> Hugo_: ^
[13:30] <Hugo_> thru windows
[13:30] <TheAncientGoat> Ah, VM?
[13:31] <Hugo_> no
[13:31] <Hugo_> wubi
[13:31] <TheAncientGoat> So it installed successfully?
[13:32] <Hugo_> yeah
[13:32] <fbxxkl> Hi, anyone here know a little bit about vbox?
[13:32] <Hugo_> but i got the gnu grub thing b4
[13:34] <Hugo_> Any ideaas?
[13:34] <TheAncientGoat> Hugo_: I don't understand the problem though?
[13:34] <Hugo_> Ok
[13:35] <Hugo_> Before when i installed Kubuntu, it installed successfully.
[13:35] <Hugo_> I booted up
[13:35] <Hugo_> And started runnning some cool effects and then it stuffed up because of too many effects.
[13:35] <Hugo_> I held the off key
[13:35] <Hugo_> Restarted, and it went into the GNU GRUB thing.
[13:35] <Hugo_> And said
[13:35] <Hugo_> sh:grub
[13:35] <TheAncientGoat> ahh
[13:35] <TheAncientGoat> ahhh
[13:35] <TheAncientGoat> I know the problem there
[13:36] <Hugo_> How do I fix it?
[13:36] <Hugo_> Do i just update?
[13:36] <Hugo_> Because I'm doing that through terminal now
[13:36] <TheAncientGoat> When you install from wubi, and you shut down improperly, you first need to boot back into windows and let it do the diskcheck thing
[13:36] <TheAncientGoat> And then restart, and you should be able to boot back in
[13:36] <Hugo_> So shutdown
[13:37] <Hugo_> Then reboot into Windows
[13:37] <TheAncientGoat> Thats one of the downsides of installing through wubi
[13:37] <TheAncientGoat> Hugo_: And then restart, and boot into kubuntu
[13:37] <Hugo_> So, when I shutdown i go to windows
[13:37] <TheAncientGoat> Yes.
[13:38] <TheAncientGoat> And it should do a diskcheck while starting up
[13:38] <TheAncientGoat> Hugo_: I'm not 100% sure this will work in 9.10, but that's always fixed it for me in 8.04
[13:39] <Hugo_> thanks
[13:39] <Hugo_> do you know how to make kubuntu panel more transparent?
[13:42] <TheAncientGoat> Hugo_: I've done it, but I can't remember where XD
[13:42] <Hugo_> ok
[13:59] <Hugo__> hello?
[13:59] <moetunes> hi Hugo__
[13:59] <Hugo__> hi
[14:00] <Hugo__> how do i make panel transparent
[14:00] <moetunes> Hugo__: tried the right click menu?
[14:01] <Hugo__> yeah?
[14:13] <Hugo__> @moetunes do you know how to make the panel transparent?
[14:13] <Hugo__> moetunes: do you know how to make the panel transparent?
[14:14] <Hugo__> Hello?
[14:14] <Shaan7> Anybody knows why there is no Partition Editor in Kubuntu Lucid Lynx LiveCD ?
[14:15] <Hugo__> Nope?
[14:15] <Hugo__> What alpha?
[14:15] <moetunes> Hugo__: afaik right click and select configure panel - not using kde on this comp atm
[14:15] <Hugo__> Mine just says configure settings...
[14:16] <Hugo__> So panel options
[14:16] <Shaan7> Hugo__: in kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[14:16] <Hugo__> then panel settings.
[14:16] <Hugo__> Kubuntu
[14:16] <Hugo__> How do I do it?
[14:16] <Hugo__> Do you know?
[14:16] <Shaan7> Hugo__: in KDE transparency is decided by the theme ..
[14:16] <Hugo__> Ahh
[14:17] <Hugo__> Ok then :(
[14:17] <Shaan7> Hugo__: IIRC, the default Air theme is translucent .....
[14:17] <Hugo__> I'm using oxygen or something?
[14:18] <Shaan7> Hugo__: which version of kubuntu are you using?
[14:18] <Hugo__> 9.10?
[14:18] <Shaan7> Hugo__: ok, then look for a theme called "air", thats having transparent panels ..
[14:18] <Shaan7> also make sure "Desktop Effects" is enabled in System Settings ...
[14:18] <Hugo__> There was a way to edit everything before..
[14:18] <Hugo__> Um...
[14:19] <Hugo__> I can't remember how I did it..
[14:19] <Hugo__> It was in System Settings
[14:22] <slckb0y> hi :) how to know wish version of kubuntu i have installed actually ?
[14:38] <TheDog> slckb0y: at a prompt, type lsb_release -a
[14:38] <jepong> hello... anyone having problem with kopete?
[14:38]  * TheDog wishes everyone a very happy St. George's day :-)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:18] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: indeedio
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T , how's it going ?
[15:20] <Tm_T> watching the quiet day here
[15:21] <Tm_T> weird
[15:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's been very quiet here lately
[15:31] <nenadsuperzmaj> Quiet is a bit of an understatement :) It's sure to be buzzing in a few days tho :)
[15:46] <crystufer> I'd appreciate greatly if anyone would take a look at the error messages I get when I boot. Nothing major I think. Just kde acting up. http://paste.ubuntu.com/421070/
[15:48] <genii> crystufer: You upgraded a kde3 system to kde4?
[15:48] <crystufer> genii: I don't know. I just installed koalla and let it do upgrades.
[15:48] <genii> Hm
[15:51] <crystufer> genii: You know, the bug fix popup. Just basically that.
[15:57] <crystufer> I'll be right back. I'm gonna reboot and write down every word of it.
[16:02] <crystufer> genii: Yeah, I got it right. Config file not writable.
[16:05] <genii> crystufer: Probably good to do something like: sudo chown -R username:username /home/username/.kde       (substitute actual login name for "username" ...)
[16:08] <crystufer> genii: Just the second username though?
[16:09] <genii> crystufer: If you login as for instance George  then: sudo chown -R George:George /home/George/.kde
[16:09] <crystufer> oh, okay.
[16:10] <crystufer> genii: Thanks for that. I'll go try it.
[16:12] <ruknettin> hello
[16:14] <crystufer> genii: No love. Maybe same command but for system:system?
[16:14] <genii> crystufer: No, don't do that :) Will make it unusable for "George"
[16:14] <crystufer> genii: Cuz it's pre login.
[16:14] <crystufer> oh, that's bad.
[16:17] <genii> crystufer: Is "George" the first default username which was made or a subsequent user which was added?
[16:18] <crystufer> genii: First and only.
[16:34] <genii> !es | mino
[16:35] <mino> ok. gracias.
[16:37] <joe__> hi
[16:49] <thefish> anyone got dual monitors with fglrx working? its very strange with my laptop (second monitor position can be top or bottom, works fine, but right and left dont work)
[16:50] <thefish> ^ no changes to xorg, just in the system settings > display
[16:54] <docx> hi
[16:57] <docx> i want to ask someone for this: i have upgraded ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04. and i'm noticing that new boot splash approach using plymouth showing me in about 15 seconds after grub exit and shows only for few (1-5) seconds and then i get login screen.. is it bug or it is normal behavior?
[16:58] <genii> docx: Normal. Please direct further questions to channel #ubuntu+1 for 10.04
[17:26] <street_dvd> Does Kubuntu use PulseAudio?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> street_dvd, yes
[18:32] <szatmari> hello
[18:32] <szatmari> segitség kellene
[18:37] <reagleBRKLN> I'm testing out the Kubuntu Lucid RC, my fonts are now a little bigger, I notice this sometimes happens when moving to a new release. Is this a xorg dpi thing or something?
[18:38] <Pici> reagleBRKLN: please use #ubuntu+1 for Lucid questions :)
[18:40] <reagleBRKLN> Pici: thanks
[19:00] <krezkey> hello all. Can anyone tell me why kubuntu 9.10 eats up all my memory.and how can I recover it without rebooting
[19:08] <xrandr> so, switching from ALSA to OSS, recommended or not?
[19:09] <Mamarok> xrandr: I would say no, unless you have serious reasons to do so
[19:10] <jimmy51_> i've got a free ipod touch.  is it easy to transfer content between it and my kubuntu 9.10 machine?
[19:11] <James147> jimmy51_: think amarok can do it, but not sure how good it is at it
[19:13] <jimmy51_> James147: hmm... i don't even see it in amarok
[19:14] <James147> jimmy51_: it should show up as a local collection
[19:14] <James147> jimmy51_: what version of amarok?
[19:15] <James147> jimmy51_: does the device manager see it?
[19:16] <jimmy51_> James147: amarok 2.2.0
[19:16] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: check out this link: http://wp.me/pKriD-9
[19:16] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: and get a newer Amarok, 2.2.0 is very old
[19:17] <jimmy51_> Mamarok: hmm... i thought kubuntu would update it as needed (when i confirm updates)
[19:18] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: not newer versions, see here: http://kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3.0
[19:18] <James147> jimmy51_: 2.2.0 isnt "very" old... latest is 2.3.x and you need to enable the backports to update to it
[19:19] <Mamarok> James147: I can assure you it *is* old, from our POV, we are preparing 2.3.1 right now
[19:19] <Mamarok> also there have been at least 3 version since
[19:20] <jimmy51_> will kubuntu add the newer to the repos?  i don't like to go too far off the reservation when it comes to packages
[19:21] <jimmy51_> *the newer version
[19:21] <James147> jimmy51_: no, i dont think they will upgrade major versions unless you enable the backports
[19:21] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: well, it is in the PPA backports repositories, but since Kubuntu is not a rolling distribution it will not end up in the regular updates
[19:22] <Mamarok> but Kubuntu 10.04 will ship Amarok 2.3.0
[19:22] <James147> jimmy51_: the backports will also upgrade you to kde 4.4.x
[19:22] <Mamarok> James147: it's backports PPA, the regular backports repositories don't have it, only KDE 4.3.5 IIRC
[19:23] <James147> Mamarok: whats what I meant ^^ :p
[19:24] <Mamarok> well, it's important to make the difference IMHO, since those are not repositories, but the private package archives of the Kubuntu team. The only way to get newer versions than just bugfixes
[19:25] <jimmy51_> ok, it says ipod touch must use gtkpod
[19:25] <jimmy51_> i've downloaded that.. .... one step says "mount your ipod"
[19:25] <maco> ipod touch should work in lucid
[19:25] <jimmy51_> i'm now sitting on it.... what next ? :)
[19:25] <maco> not all the libraries are packaged in karmic to make it go, and the ones that are are quite old versions
[19:25] <Mamarok> maco: he is not in Lucid, that wuld be in #ubuntu+1 :)
[19:25] <jimmy51_> seriously though.... how do i mount an ipod ?
[19:26] <maco> Mamarok: i know. im saying i doubt itll work in karmic because teh libraries simply arent there
[19:26] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: plug it in I guess? gtkpod should see it, also Amarok 2.3.0 shows it in the Collection Browser, don't know for 2.2.0
[19:26] <maco> unless the how-to he's following includes compiling current source from version-control
[19:26] <Mamarok> maco: it should have worked with 2.2.2 for sure
[19:27] <jimmy51_> Mamarok: it doesn't show in any of them
[19:27] <jimmy51_> i have a VM running Win7 with passthrough, and it sees it, but the linux host doesn't seem to
[19:27] <Mamarok> jimmy51_: then I don't know, sorry. I can't even test, I don't have an iPod
[19:27] <maco> Mamarok: without usbmuxd?
[19:27] <Mamarok> might be gtkpod related, no idea if there are not other files you need for that
[19:28] <jimmy51_> Mamarok: thanks for trying.  i'm not an apple fan.  my creative zen just works..... this thing is annoying.
[19:28] <maco> usbmuxd is required in order to use an ipod touch, and its not packaged in karmic at all
[19:28] <jimmy51_> maco: do you use an ipod touch in kubuntu 9.10?
[19:29] <maco> jimmy51_: my brother tried to get his working in ubuntu 9.10. i packaged usbmuxd for him and put it in a ppa, but the other librarires involved that are packaged in 9.10 are too old of versions for it to work
[19:29] <maco> sorry, i didnt do the packaging, i yanked it from debian and put it in a ppa
[19:29] <jimmy51_> ok
[19:30] <jimmy51_> so.... it sounds like i can A)  grab various libraries from source, compile, install, possibly mess things up
[19:30] <jimmy51_> or B) wait until 10.04 comes out and it should work out of the box?
[19:30] <maco> yep
[19:30] <maco> thats only 6 days away
[19:30] <jimmy51_> and i can do a lot of damage in 6 days :)
[19:32] <stephen_> Someone has experienced updating 8.04 => 10.04rc ?
[19:33] <maco> stephen_: technically not supported as 8.04 was not an lts for kubuntu...
[19:33] <jimmy51_> ok, thanks all.  i'll just wait for 10.04.  this silly thing has been on my desk for over a year, 6 more days won't hurt.
[19:33] <maco> jimmy51_: my brother's been waiting since christmas to use his
[19:34] <maco> oh which reminds me, he had a question about it...
[19:34] <stephen_> maco, So isn't possible make this update without problems...
[19:35] <maco> stephen_: it might work, but theres not been excessive work put into that particular upgrade path
[19:35] <James147> stephen_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades <- should help
[19:35] <stephen_> thanks marco and james147
[19:35] <James147> maco: kubuntu 8.04 was the lts release...
[19:36] <maco> James147: no it wasnt. 6.06 was the last kubuntu lts
[19:36] <maco> 8.04 was lts for ubuntu, not kubuntu
[19:36] <James147> maco: and 8.04 check the link
[19:36] <James147> maco: they have different?
[19:36] <maco> yes
[19:36] <stephen_> i think 8.04 was lts...
[19:36] <maco> because kde 4.0 came out right when 8.04 came out
[19:36] <litropy> Hi, all. I need to switch from KDE to GNOME for a bit. How do I do so?
[19:36] <maco> 3.5 wasnt going to be supported long enough and 4.0 wasnt good enough, so kubuntu wasn't LTS
[19:37] <maco> litropy: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:37] <litropy> note: there's no "session" option @ the login screen
[19:37] <TheAncientGoat> litropy: Why do you want to do that though, if I may ask?
[19:37] <maco> is that with kdm or gdm?
[19:37] <TheAncientGoat> Cool to see all the identi.ca peeps on here
[19:38] <litropy> In GNOME, I could just go to "login screen" and choose my session manager. I already have GNOME
[19:38] <litropy> just looking for where to do it in KDE
[19:38] <stephen_> james thanks for the link!
[19:38] <maco> litropy: you can switch to using gdm as the login screen.  i dont think kdm supports it
[19:38] <stephen_> you're right! 8.04 isn't LTS
[19:39] <maco> to do that: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[19:39] <maco> then just pick gdm as default
[19:39] <litropy> see the strange thing is, i did that, yet it still loads up kde
[19:41] <litropy> Like I said, I could just go into my system settings in GNOME and within "login screen" I could toggle between GNOME and KDE. But in KDE's settings, there's no place to do that
[19:41] <litropy> And I know I did it before in KDE. So I'm a bit confused
[19:42] <maco> litropy: if you make gdm the default, doesnt gdm have a button to pick your default?
[19:42] <maco> i dont think kdm in kde4 has a button to choose from the login screen though
[19:42] <litropy> I mean, you're saying after sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm and selecting gdm, I can just log out and log back into GNOME
[19:43] <litropy> but it doesn't happen.
[19:44] <litropy> brb
[19:47] <maco> litropy: no im not. im saying when you select gdm, then when you logout youll see a gdm login screen instead of a kdm one (actually this might require a reboot...).  gdm has a button on it to pick gnome or kde. kdm does not.
[19:49] <James147> maco: I thourght kdm also had an option to choose sessions...
[19:49] <maco> i dont think so....but i dont want to logout right now to look either :P
[19:49] <maco> i think in kde3 it did but it hasnt been put back in kde4 yet
[19:49] <James147> maco: going to install gnome on my netbook and check :)
[19:54] <litropy> guys, this is so strange. I swear two days ago I switched from KDE to GNOME within 15 seconds using a dropdown. But now I can't find it.
[19:55] <James147> litropy: just installing gnome to try it
[19:55] <luciano> hello, anyone can help me?
[19:55] <James147> !help | luciano
[19:56] <maco> oh oh found it!
[19:56] <litropy> it's actually the other way around. I installed kubuntu-netbook to compare ubuntu-netbook.
[19:56] <luciano> i installed kubuntu here and dont have sound
[19:56] <maco> litropy: there *is* a button its just not obvious at all
[19:57] <litropy> sweet maco! where?
[19:57] <maco> litropy: er...wait dang im on lucid so i only know what the button looks like on lucid...but on here it's a blue square with a white arrow pointing down
[19:57] <maco> on the kdm screen
[19:57] <luciano> what can i do?
[19:57] <litropy> I'm on lucid maco
[19:57] <litropy> where though?
[19:57] <maco> ok well see under the password box theres a blue square with a white down arrow? thats the dropdown
[19:57] <maco> there's a red square next to it with a power icon
[19:57] <litropy> k, gonna try
[19:58] <James147> !sound | luciano
[19:59] <luciano> ok, thx
[20:03] <xrandr> welp
[20:03] <xrandr> imma reboot. brb
[20:10] <xrandr> !Sound
[20:22] <xrandr> ok, i have a really dumb question. On the soundcard, it has the colors Pink, Green, and Blue. Since it's not labeled, which is USUALLY the mic input?
[20:24] <txwikinger> xrandr: pink/red
[20:24] <xrandr> thank you
[20:25] <xrandr> was way too lazy to google that :D
[21:01] <francisb> how do i boot from a floppy disk, I do not want to mess up my master boot record
[21:10] <Sanjuanito> who c
[21:12] <genii> Sanjuanito: If you mean: Who can see what I type here?   then everyone
[21:17] <Sanjuanito> Yea, thanks
[22:27] <litropy> hi, all. no matter what I choose using sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, I'm still presented with what looks like a gnome login panel, which doesn't have the option to switch session managers, and I'm stuck in KDE. All I want to do is switch my session manager to gnome. In gnome, this is easy. you just go to the login screen prefpane under system and choose from a dropdown containing all the...
[22:27] <litropy> ...installed session managers. I cannot find something like that in kde. Please help me switch from kde to gnome and thank you in advance.
[22:52] <gaetano> ciao
[22:52] <gaetano> hi
[22:53] <ArkoldThos> heya people :)
[22:53] <gaetano> hi
[22:53] <gaetano> are you speack italian?
[22:53] <gaetano> speak
[22:54] <ArkoldThos> I got a little problem with a just installed Kubutu - I can't get nvidia-settings to detect both monitors
[22:54] <ArkoldThos> gaetano, nope :/
[22:54] <gaetano> ok
[22:54] <gaetano> :)
[23:13] <gaetano> hi
[23:19] <jhambo> should I be able to browse an .iso file in dolphin or is there some other program I should use?
[23:37] <Aison`> just tried to upgrade to version 10, but it fails. I get the message: E:Couldn't configure predepend openoffice.org-core-filter-binfilter
[23:43] <xcl> hello
[23:43] <xcl> is anyone here
[23:44] <xcl> whois AdmiralNDP
[23:52] <visitor2000> bonjour
[23:52] <visitor2000> j ai un probleme j arrive pas a aller sur facebook
[23:52] <visitor2000> il me demande si je veux enregistrer la page


[04:58] <darkxst> Noskcaj, can you take a look at the gnome-desktop transition, it should be fairly straightforward this time around
[04:59] <darkxst> Noskcaj, upower is almost done, clutter and gtk+ should hopefully be done next week
[04:59] <Noskcaj> darkxst, will do
[04:59] <Noskcaj> bluez looks like it will be hard to merge though
[05:00] <darkxst> I wonder if it could be co-installed?
[05:04] <Noskcaj> What actually needs transitioning?
[05:04] <darkxst> for bluez5?
[05:05] <Noskcaj> for gnome-desktop
[05:05] <Noskcaj> bluez5 is mostly just merging ~30 ubuntu releases
[05:06] <darkxst> oh maybe gnome-desktop doesn't need a transition this time, seem there was no soname bump
[05:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, bluez5 has api changes, are all the upstreams or debian ported to new api?
[05:10] <Noskcaj> darkxst, no breages left in debian, so we'd just need a few merges and rebuilds, plus ubuntu-only stuff
[05:10] <Noskcaj> *breakages
[05:11] <darkxst> so it will basically be needing canonical to port their bits over
[05:14] <Noskcaj> yep
[05:19] <darkxst> can you file a tracking bug for bluez5
[05:21] <Noskcaj> ok
[05:24] <darkxst> probably gnome-desktop just needs the changelog cleaned up, then can be uploaded
[05:32] <darkxst> gsettings-desktop-schemas, can probably just be merged from debian, doesnt appear to be any removed keys this time
[06:03] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Is the g-d-s change to adwaita an issue?
[06:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, yes temporarily revert that
[06:08] <darkxst> hmm no actually ubuntu override that anyway I think? check in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/20_ubuntu*something*overrides
[06:19] <darkxst> or 10_*.overrides
[06:21] <Noskcaj> I'm on xubuntu, and nothing like that is there
[06:21] <Noskcaj> what package would have the ubuntu ones?
[06:22] <darkxst> it maybe ubuntu-settings
[06:24] <Noskcaj> icon-theme="ubuntu-mono-dark" ?
[06:29]  * mgedmin discovers button-layout=':minimize,maximize,close' in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/20_ubuntu-gnome-default-settings.gschema.override
[06:36] <mgedmin> but yeah, ubuntu-settings ships /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override with [org.gnome.desktop.interface] gtk-theme="Ambiance" etc
[07:35] <Noskcaj> darkxst, merges for g-d-s and desktop are up
[07:59] <darkxst> mgedmin, I am going to drop that override shortly
[08:04] <darkxst> Noskcaj, thanks
[11:58] <sebbb> Hello all! Is there a way to resize the System Monitor window smaller? because it takes half of my screen..
[15:10] <mgedmin> sebbb, smallest size I can make it is 630x449: http://i.imgur.com/PA4hieD.png
[15:15] <lindol> ha...
[15:16] <lindol> i finished second draft for korean release note
[15:19] <arthurfiggis> hello :) i gave ubuntu gnome 14.10 a try when it was initially released and while the installation went fine, at the time, deja-dup (the default "desktop" backup utility) would crash gnome-control-center every time you tried to launch it (general protection fault according to the console error), so it was impossible to restore my backed up files...does anyone know offhand if this has been...
[15:19] <arthurfiggis> ...fixed yet, or if there's an existing bug I could post to?
[15:20] <mgedmin> arthurfiggis, did you search in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup ?
[15:22] <mgedmin> and also in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center
[15:23] <arthurfiggis> mgedmin: i had been looking at the one for gnome-control-center and i didn't see anything there resembling the problem i was having, but i'll check the deja-dup page as well, thanks
[15:23] <mgedmin> I reproduced this crash last time you asked about it
[15:23] <mgedmin> but I'm also using the gnome3-staging PPA that replaces ubuntu's gnome-control-center with a newer version
[15:24] <mgedmin> I don't know if the bug is in g-c-c itself or in the dejadup plugin
[15:24] <mgedmin> which is loaded inside the g-c-c process
[15:26] <arthurfiggis> mgedmin: ahh, yes i remember that someone here had confirmed it existed at least, though I wasn't sure who it was :) I wouldn't be able to say for sure myself either, since I couldn't get at any of my files I had to switch back to 14.04.1 LTS until it got sorted out
[15:31] <mgedmin> ah!
[15:31] <mgedmin> that is a painful situation to be in
[15:32] <mgedmin> I guessing you didn't have the gnome3-staging ppa enabled?
[15:32] <arthurfiggis> mgedmin: certainly is :( so far i haven't seen the bug mentioned anywhere else though, oddly enough...oh no, i just went with the default installation and used the repo packages, didn't add any ppa's or anything special
[19:21] <Noskcaj> darkxst, g-d-s breaks u-s-d. Any idea what needs patching? (pitti hasn't yet given me his crash log)
[21:29] <darkxst> Noskcaj, it would be missing or broken schema key
[21:29] <darkxst> Noskcaj, 2 patches are missing?
[21:30] <darkxst> menu_icon_key and application_key
[21:30] <Noskcaj> The two dropped ones that were for versions of packages we no longer have?
[21:31] <darkxst> what do you mean?
[21:32] <Noskcaj> THe changelog descriptions for those patches were that they were for gnome stuff we've now went past, and cinnamon, which doesn't use g-d-s any more
[21:34] <darkxst> Noskcaj, u-s-d is still 3.8
[21:34] <darkxst> and Metacity is still in the archvies
[21:35] <Noskcaj> I'd assumed it was patched for some reason, and isn't metacity on 3.12 now?
[21:35] <Metacity> ?
[21:35] <Noskcaj> Metacity, You chose the wrong nickname
[21:36] <Metacity> That much has become evident after idling in so many Linux-related channels for a while. :P
[21:36] <darkxst> Noskcaj, you can't just assume with schemas, since try to use a missing key is 100% crash
[21:37] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Lesson learned. I'll fix my branch now.
[21:37] <darkxst> a quick grep of metacity would have shown you that application key is still there!
[21:38] <Noskcaj> Is there a way to check what packages still use the key, and would it be better to patch u-s-d rather than g-d-s
[21:39] <darkxst> normally Laney's codesearch, but that seem down right now
[21:40] <darkxst> you can't patch u-s-d, it still has the features that the keys were for
[22:00] <Noskcaj> fixed
[22:00] <Noskcaj> Should we be trying to get geoclue-2.0 into main?
[22:09] <darkxst> could try, though atleast some wanted it done as a replacement to geoclue
[22:10] <darkxst> and not sure how feasible that is, things like ubuntu-geoip are probably not possible in -2.0
[22:11] <darkxst> unity-webapps would also be a problem
[22:14] <darkxst> but it certainly wouldnt hurt to file a MIR


[09:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Panic Day! 😁
[09:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMykYSQaG_c
[09:46] <foobarry> hello ppl i have a libreoffice question. is there an easy way to colour the first half of the bars blue in this chart?
[09:47] <foobarry> uh imgur is shagged
[09:48] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/a/X9WF5
[09:48] <foobarry> ^^ that
[10:01] <davmor2> foobarry: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=759 I assume it is similar in LO
[10:01] <davmor2> foobarry: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/1498/change-xy-chart-data-colors/
[10:03] <foobarry> ta. ask.lo was down for a while earlier :\
[10:04] <foobarry> there is actualyl a cool way to do it. not sure i can be bothered. will manual click each bar and change it :S
[10:05] <davmor2> foobarry: you can probably use macros but for a one off it is probably just easier to do it the manual way
[10:24] <foobarry> https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/40698/how-to-automatically-assign-different-colours-to-categories-in-a-bar-chart/
[10:29] <diplo> Anyone use VMWare Workstation 12 ?
[10:29] <diplo> Never used it till now, but getting system beeps coming through my earphones, settings that I've found with google arent working or found
[11:57] <MooDoo> howdy all
[12:06] <SuperMatt> yo
[12:07] <MooDoo> thought everyone had gone home :)
[12:07] <foobarry> or the rapture had come
[12:08] <MooDoo> ho ho
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> no no, all the sinners in this channel will remain after the rapture :-D
[12:08] <foobarry> emacs users?
[12:08] <MooDoo> ubuntu podcast listners ;)
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> iphone users
[12:09] <MooDoo> guess i'm not going any where until I get my nokia 3310 ;)
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> still available in many city centre phone accessories shops
[12:10] <zmoylan-pi> haven't been on in years... still 50% charged
[12:10] <foobarry> once a water bottle leaked in a plastic bag containing my phone
[12:10] <foobarry> phone was on, and completely sbmerged for ages
[12:10] <foobarry> it was fine
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> i once was demonstrating how i accidently smacked my nokia into a wall and it slipped from my hand and bounced off concrete pavement... chipped the pavement slab.  it was fine
[12:11] <MooDoo> lol
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think the new ones are any good... if it had of run java apps i'd have gotten one but it's unexpandable
[12:12] <MooDoo> i'll just get one as they are cheap and only make calls and send texts, I can detox from my iphone.....
[12:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: what you doing here did you get lost looking for the toilet again?
[12:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's a drug, I get wheened off then sucked in again
[12:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: how am ya
[12:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: cracking thanks mate, how about yourself?
[12:15] <davmor2> tired but good thanks
[12:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: tired sounds about right, SQL is making me tired lol
[12:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: lack of sleep makes me tired :)
[12:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: there is that too :)
[12:18] <davmor2> but the caravan will be back in use
[12:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: I've suprised the wife by telling her I quite fancy a caravan now!
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> somewhere jeremy clarkson is twitching... :-)
[12:20] <MooDoo> she died of shock
[12:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: \o/
[12:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: Mobile or static?
[12:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: mobile but won't be for a year or 2 yet we're just about to move house
[12:24] <MooDoo> #join #ubuntu-irc
[12:24] <MooDoo> damn
[12:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: have a look at the adria altea severn and tamar will cost you around £100 a month
[12:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: fail
[12:25] <MooDoo> thanks chap
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> is there an #ubuntu-caravan? :-P
[12:26] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no but there probably should be :D
[12:26] <MooDoo> zmoylan-pi: davmor2 yes the channel exists
[12:26] <Laney> they're talking about caravans on radio 4 atm
[12:26] <Laney> ...
[12:26] <Laney> static ones though
[12:26] <davmor2> Laney: see they are everywhere
[12:27]  * zmoylan-pi is listening to american morning radio on my dab radio...
[12:28] <MooDoo> Laney: davmor2 already have access to a static one in bakewell :)
[12:31] <Laney> nice
[12:35] <davmor2> Mine's basically static even though it is a tourer, but by booking the season pitch we save a fortune
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> and is still somewhere to get away from it all _with_ home comforts...
[12:48] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: indeed and it is the most relaxing park around this area, so we wind up spending the weekend just chilling out it is so nice
[12:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: that's what I need at the moment
[12:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: find a site local to you that has no facilities, it lowers the amount of families going there which makes it quieter and cheaper :)
[12:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: good plan :)
[13:58] <MooDoo> I hate ubuntu *won't fix* issues :(
[14:02] <foobarry> SuperMatt: didn't you say rackspace canned a load of jobs? still getting emails from them about jobs
[14:03] <MooDoo> well just upgraded to 16.10 and my system couldn't use ethernet :( [fixed now though]
[14:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ubuntu do fix issues :P
[14:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush you, this is a won't fix bug :p
[14:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: then your issues is you :P  /me files a bug to see if Ubuntu can fix it
[14:05] <MooDoo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1638842
[14:05] <MooDoo> :p
[14:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'm totally not fixable lol
[14:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: apparently you are not the 6 million dollar man and they can't fix you.....well that or won't :D
[14:09] <MooDoo> :)
[14:37] <diddledan> I got pwned again (thanks https://haveibeenpwned.com/ for alerting me!) https://mackeeper.com/blog/post/339-spammergate-the-fall-of-an-empire
[14:38] <foobarry> yeah i got that
[14:38] <foobarry> is there a searchable dump?
[14:39] <foobarry> i'm never able to verify my info in the leaks
[14:39] <diddledan> I wish haveibeenpwned would do that - show you your records when you prove you're the person to whom it is attributed
[14:40] <diddledan> have an email verification that sends a unique link to the affected email which when clicked shows the records
[14:40] <foobarry> although then they would be a massive database of leaked data
[14:40] <foobarry> and get bought out by evilcorp
[14:40] <diddledan> true
[14:41] <foobarry> everyone has a price
[14:41] <diddledan> or leave it exposed in a mongodb :-p
[14:41] <foobarry> apache struts
[14:44] <davmor2> diddledan: Good News no pwnage found \o/ see how easy it is, you just use no services what so ever ;)
[14:44] <diddledan> lol
[14:44] <diddledan> I've been pwned many many times
[14:59] <m0nkey_> Fun
[14:59] <m0nkey_> Oh no — pwned!
[14:59] <m0nkey_> Pwned on 4 breached sites
[15:35] <diddledan> scary stuff: https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/09/north-korea-is-practicing-for-nuclear-war/
[15:36] <davmor2> diddledan: surely or you need to do for that is hug a loved one and hope for the best right
[15:36] <davmor2> s/or/all
[15:36] <diddledan> yeah
[15:36]  * diddledan hugs davmor2
[15:37] <davmor2> world implodes dues to nuclear war and everyone blames diddledan
[15:37] <diddledan> does "oops?" cover it?
[15:38] <davmor2> just blame trump everyone else does :D
[15:38] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_iiXWzqHRw
[15:38] <diddledan> or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VHWseHS_OE
[15:45] <marshmn> hi all; it appears that some ports on my server are accessible, even though "ufw status" doesn't list them
[15:45] <marshmn> in particular, these are local port mappings to some Docker containers
[15:49] <marshmn> hmm, maybe Docker & ufw don't play that nicely together
[16:05] <diddledan> marshmn: don't tell docker to publish the ports (do NOT use -p hostport:containerport)
[16:11] <marshmn> diddledan: ah, I see
[16:12] <marshmn> diddledan: good point
[16:12] <marshmn> diddledan: actually, no, I need that though... I need them accessible from the local machine
[16:12] <marshmn> I just don't want them accessible remotely
[16:13] <marshmn> still, I'll look into whether there are some options for that
[16:13] <marshmn> thanks
[16:13] <diddledan> marshmn: if you want to access the ports from one container within a different container then do it directly by using the container hostname:port
[16:13] <marshmn> no, I need to access from the host
[16:13] <marshmn> just not from remote
[16:15] <diddledan> if you can figure-out the ip address of the container you can access directly from the host without publishing the port, but that is less accessible
[16:15] <marshmn> yeah, that's awkward
[16:16] <diddledan> that's what I figured
[16:19] <marshmn> diddledan: apparently I can maybe do this: "docker run -p <IP_ADDRESS>:27017:27017"
[16:19] <marshmn> ie. bind it to localhost only
[16:20] <diddledan> ooh
[16:20] <diddledan> I wasn't aware you could include an additional colon
[16:20] <marshmn> that's what Google tells me anyway :)
[16:20] <marshmn> makes sense though
[16:23] <marshmn> seems to work
[17:18] <diddledan> so these augmented reality headsets.. (ref: Ubuntu Podcast) how long until we can get them embedded into our eyeballs so we're never not-augmented?
[17:36] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/ComicBookGrrl/status/839892595467816961
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> how long till you augmented reality contacts are hacked and they can put virtual cow in middle of road when you're driving causing you to crash off road...
[18:00] <Laney> extraordinarily long pause before the bongs on the 6 o'clock news then
[18:01] <diddledan> well if that happens I will create a user interface in visual basic to track the hacker's IP
[18:01] <diddledan> Laney: BONG!
[18:02] <Laney> more like ...............................
[18:02] <Laney> .............................................................
[18:02] <Laney> ......................................................... BONG "oh thank god for that"
[18:02] <Laney> also they crashed the pips on the weather, always good when that happens
[18:03] <diddledan> google cloud spanner...? weird product name
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> maybe it was some secret code to tell the terrorists they've agreed to their demands... i've seen the james bond movies...
[18:07] <zmoylan-pi> isn't big ben getting serviced or something atm?
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh some google pixel phones have broken microphones... do we have to pay more for those? :-P
[18:09] <diddledan> it's a feature to combat the atlas7 dump
[21:35] <daftykins> haha i just read about TalkTalk blocking Teamviewer today because "some customers got scammed"
[21:36] <diddledan> ouch
[21:36] <diddledan> how many people complained?
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> if someone gets mugged we should sue the council for making pavements!!
[21:37] <daftykins> hmm not sure, mostly just capable users discovered it was blocked
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> but how many people complained about getting scammed?
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> isn't teamviewer what those you're microsoft windows computer is infected calls use?
[21:41] <daftykins> the reg didn't have any info on that
[21:42] <daftykins> yeah i think so, but of course that's after they've used social engineering to persuade a user into running it from their end themselves
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> logmein is mentioned in a few descriptions of the scam...
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> but then it's been in use since 2009 so it might have shifted and changed since then...
[21:45] <daftykins> yeah, the tool isn't the relevant story
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder if talktalk blocks logmein...
[21:46] <diddledan> they might as well block ssh because that's the vector a scammer would have to use on me
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> don't say that... some middle management suit will issue a memo making it so...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> you'll be reduced to using... slack... :-P
[21:48] <daftykins> oh sorry that's down due to... whatever happened the other day
[21:48] <daftykins> oh the Amazon thing
[21:49] <diddledan> S3 in US-East-1 died
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> pebkac
[21:50] <diddledan> PC Expo NY 1994 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0dBOcVUIbQ
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> i think 94 was the year i got my first psion... or was it 93...
[22:12] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: yeah your dreams are all coming true! a new one even
[22:16] <daftykins> diddledan: kitty update - https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4l2afbvg84w9w1/IMG_20170309_195432.jpg?dl=0
[22:18]  * diddledan cuddles the kitty
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> no cat of ours ever sat that close to a hoover...
[22:20] <daftykins> can tell they're young! :D
[22:20] <diddledan> or the hoover doesn't get turned-on much
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> closest was gloating over a hoover sent crashing down the stairs in an attempt to kill it... but it was an industrial nilfisk so was nokia grade hoover...
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> that nilfisk was her nemesis...
[22:28] <daftykins> seems the kinda brand an old authoritarian German needs to announce loudly
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> they cost silly money then. saw a plastic variant from same era recently in shop window reconditioned and still costs silly money... i've no idea how my dad wrangled it
[22:30] <TwistedLucidity> Howdy.
[22:30] <daftykins> and that's when you knew, zmoylan-pi - your mother was a hoover knock-off
[22:31] <TwistedLucidity> Random question - is https://www.paypal.com/uk down for anyone esle?
[22:31] <TwistedLucidity> Getting continual TLS errors, can't load the page
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> no no, my mother was a stickler for best hardware...
[22:32] <zmoylan-pi> no errors on paypal here but i'm not signed in
[22:32] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity: loads for me, unless you mean login too
[22:32] <TwistedLucidity> I can't even curl the page
[22:33] <diddledan> loads for me
[22:33] <TwistedLucidity> Host unreachable. WTF?
[22:33] <TwistedLucidity> Must be something local to my router or summat
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> though firefox url after clicking that link is now https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/home
[22:34] <TwistedLucidity> Ok, thanks. I must have some local glitch, can't even ping it
[22:34] <daftykins> oof
[22:35] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity: virgin huh? must be another routing debacle
[22:35] <TwistedLucidity> Or my local DNS is hosed. <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP I have. Shall jump on the VPN I guess....
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> i'm now on virgin in ireland so wouldn't that affect here too?
[22:36] <TwistedLucidity> I don't think so, no. Some of these outages can be local depending on what bit went up in flames
[22:36]  * daftykins hands a 6
[22:37] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: nope can be restricted to specific coax segments i think
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> you need to pop open your local phone cabinet and wiggle a few cables to find the loose one... :-P
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> may i suggest using a jcb :-D
[22:37] <TwistedLucidity> So every site works apart from the one I need to order a random fan from China. ArgH!
[22:38] <TwistedLucidity> Well, it's not random. It's very specfic.
[22:39] <daftykins> ooh do tell
[22:39] <daftykins> i once went hunting for a specific fan for a Dell OEM graphics card
[22:39] <TwistedLucidity> GPU fan has been rattling and is now dead.
[22:39] <TwistedLucidity> Luckily this is a Cooler Master fan on a XFX card; it's available but not in the UK
[22:39] <daftykins> ha-haaah, is it one of those ones with 3 screws, but rather than being a nice even triangle - it's longer on one side?
[22:40] <TwistedLucidity> Prolly
[22:40] <daftykins> oh right
[22:40] <daftykins> with this one in the end i decided to just order a fan with the right 2 pin connector then just screw it into the heatsink, since there was only one from Hong Kong that had the proper alignment and they wanted £10
[22:40] <TwistedLucidity> If I knew a PC enthusiast, I could probably temporarily rig a fan.
[22:40] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, this is about £10 with one month delivery :-S
[22:40] <daftykins> what's the card model? or the actual chip
[22:41] <daftykins> yeah sounds a similar deal!
[22:41] <TwistedLucidity> XFX GT 240 1GB
[22:41] <TwistedLucidity> A really old card, but the PC is even older.
[22:41] <daftykins> if you even had a spare case fan you could angle at it, that'd do the trick
[22:42] <TwistedLucidity> I don't but I can probably snaffle one from the Hackspace if it comes to it.
[22:42] <TwistedLucidity> Good idea that, cheers.
[22:42] <daftykins> np :D
[22:42] <TwistedLucidity> Right, I need to go and reboot routers to see if that solves the problem (assuming it's local to me)
[22:42] <TwistedLucidity> G'night
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> i remember screwing in an over large fan onto a cpu having the screws gripping the fan as no holes fitted the fan.  worked well but it was on 100% of the time at full whack
[23:03] <daftykins> oof :>
[23:04] <TwistedLucidity> Bad news everyone. Tragic, even.
[23:04]  * TwistedLucidity is back on-line
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> it actually felt more secure than the original fan and because it was running 100% never jammed like the previous few fans form on off in dusty environment
[23:04] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity: still the same?
[23:05]  * TwistedLucidity GPU now @ 50°C
[23:05] <daftykins> yeah i wouldn't run even a low end card like that without at least some breeze :D
[23:05] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: Naw. I can now pay, pal.
[23:05] <daftykins> oh, weird
[23:06] <TwistedLucidity> Had some network issues earlier in the week. A hard reboot of the VM modem (including 3+ minute disconnect) didn't clear it.
[23:06] <TwistedLucidity> Had to reboot the OpenWRT router. Very surprising.
[23:06]  * TwistedLucidity makes a not to find out how to tell dnsmasq etc to drop caches and rebuild
[23:07] <TwistedLucidity> And...er...paypal is down again. Whut?
[23:07] <daftykins> D:
[23:07] <diddledan> \o/
[23:07] <diddledan> you broke it good!
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> it's a cunning plan by bitcoin... :-P
[23:08] <daftykins> heh you know how they implemented 2FA by texting users a code before login? someone saw that they had an "2FA=1" variable in the URL XD
[23:08] <daftykins> (paypal this is)
[23:08] <TwistedLucidity> Can someone ping paypal.com? Do you get <IP_ADDRESS>?
[23:08] <daftykins> that's your gateway sir
[23:08] <daftykins> *168
[23:08] <TwistedLucidity> No, no it is not
[23:08] <diddledan> you mistyped 168
[23:08] <daftykins> oh my bad it looked so close to a typo of <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[23:09] <diddledan> yeah, me too
[23:09] <daftykins> paypal.com for me is at <IP_ADDRESS> or .33
[23:09] <TwistedLucidity> Who the heck is <IP_ADDRESS> then?
[23:09] <diddledan> paypal is <IP_ADDRESS> and .33 for me
[23:10] <TwistedLucidity> Huh, I'm getting that 198 mumbo-jumbo
[23:10]  * TwistedLucidity wonders if he has been pwned
[23:10] <diddledan> <IP_ADDRESS> is unallocated ARIN IP
[23:10] <daftykins> are you using virgin media's DNS?
[23:11] <daftykins> maybe try a dig/nslookup against an OpenDNS/Google DNS server?
[23:11] <TwistedLucidity> I'm actually using one of Level 3's public servers
[23:11] <diddledan> also check your local dns forwarder separately from upstream VM DNS
[23:11] <TwistedLucidity> I shall dig around (hurr, hurr, hurr)
[23:11]  * daftykins covers his eyes
[23:11] <daftykins> :D
[23:12] <TwistedLucidity> Huh, goggle's <IP_ADDRESS> return <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:12] <daftykins> what kind of latency does that IP ping with, assuming it responds?
[23:12] <diddledan> no it doesn't
[23:13] <diddledan> google returns the same as I got from AAISP
[23:13] <daftykins> well it doesn't for us on the 'net, but if there were something weird on his LAN...
[23:14] <TwistedLucidity> dig www.paypal.com @<IP_ADDRESS> gave me 198....
[23:14] <TwistedLucidity> Mobile returns <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:14] <diddledan> that's because paypal doesn't publish a www. host
[23:14] <TwistedLucidity> Could be
[23:14] <daftykins> with or without the woo? </Fonejacker>
[23:14] <TwistedLucidity> paypal.com is the same
[23:15] <TwistedLucidity> Pinging via mobile........
[23:15] <TwistedLucidity> No response
[23:15] <TwistedLucidity> 100% packet loss
[23:16] <TwistedLucidity> Something, somewhere is very wrong
[23:16] <diddledan> www.paypal.com should be a chain of CNAMEs ending in an akamaiedge host
[23:16] <daftykins> was more thinking ping on the desktop where the queries are mentioning it
[23:16]  * TwistedLucidity gets to the VPN.....
[23:17] <TwistedLucidity> ....and the VPN won't connect?
[23:17] <diddledan> I bet you've got a really whacked configuration that you thought was cool but is screwing you :-p
[23:17] <TwistedLucidity> That wouldn't affect the phone, it's off WiFi
[23:17] <TwistedLucidity> And as for DNS etc, it's basic OpenWRT that been stable for the past year or so.
[23:18] <TwistedLucidity> Interesting
[23:18] <TwistedLucidity> VPN to the USA East data centre failed, London worked
[23:18] <daftykins> anything look out of the ordinary with 'ip a' or 'route -n' ?
[23:18] <daftykins> ah so still getting out of the house at least
[23:19] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, reddit etc works dandy
[23:19] <TwistedLucidity> Phone going over mobile data and via Nodnol VPN can't ping paypal.com either. It's not me.
[23:20] <TwistedLucidity> Can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:21] <TwistedLucidity> Or <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:22] <daftykins> that's ok, they don't respond
[23:22] <TwistedLucidity> Well that explains that!
[23:22] <TwistedLucidity> Well strange though that the phone is barfing, even when off my LAN
[23:23] <daftykins> indeedy :S
[23:23] <daftykins> it must have the same electronic sickness
[23:23] <TwistedLucidity> Me + networking = catasrophe
[23:25] <TwistedLucidity> ip a is normal (even with the new weirdy-beardy naming)
[23:25] <TwistedLucidity> Come back eth0!  I reckon Berners Lee has cross the wires somewhere
[23:27] <TwistedLucidity> Either that or the UK no longer permits secure connections outside its borders.
[23:27] <daftykins> GCHQ breaking TLS
[23:28] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah. How can the find the terrorists if they can't hear their GPU fan rattle?
[23:33] <TwistedLucidity> Nuts to it. Ordered via credit card. Fan now on way.
[23:33] <TwistedLucidity> GPU @ ~50°C
[23:34] <TwistedLucidity> High, but not critical
[23:34] <TwistedLucidity> Better than the T430 that runs at 90+°C
[23:41] <TwistedLucidity> Right, good night all
[23:42] <daftykins> aww he went, 105C is the maximum for a GT 240 ;D


[03:44] <mwhudson> why would "mk-sbuild xenial" fail with "E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release"
[05:37] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:38] <pitti> Good morning
[06:42] <pitti> doko: well, I had a look, but it's obvious that the new release breaks its tests and the current xenial one works, so this isn't any infra problem
[06:44] <pitti> doko: mailed sgclark (as she isn't on IRC)
[06:47] <infinity> I had a look at it last week and couldn't sort it out.
[06:47] <infinity> I thought it might be missing test deps, but even adding the (optional) binaries it complains about doesn't change things, so they really are optional.
[06:54] <pitti> infinity: you mean epstool and fig2dev? (as there are warnings about those in the log)
[06:54] <pitti> no warning about those in the passed tests indeed
[06:55] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, installing those didn't help.
[06:56] <infinity> pitti: So, red herring.
[06:56] <pitti> stgraber: apparently manually created lxd images not get auto-cleaned after n days (http://paste.ubuntu.com/15908394/); is there some way how adt-build-lxd can mark the older images for auto-cleanup after building a current one?
[06:57] <pitti> stgraber: I don't want to remove the previous one right away, this might confuse some running tests
[07:39] <stgraber> pitti: I don't believe we expose a way to set the cached property over the API, no reason why we shouldn't though
[07:40] <pitti> stgraber: right, I didn't see anything in the properties of the original ubuntu image which sounds like that
[07:41] <pitti> stgraber: or the other way around, would it always be safe to delete the previous adt image after creating a new one?
[07:41] <pitti> stgraber: i. e. could there be running containers from that image, with snapshots or dir/btrfs/zfs which would break?
[07:43] <stgraber> pitti: lxd does internal ref counting as needed
[07:43] <stgraber> pitti: so it's always safe to remove the image
[07:43] <stgraber> pitti: if it's still needed, lxd will renamed it to a delete/... path (on zfs) and then wipe it when refcount hits 0
[07:43] <pitti> stgraber: ah, nice; I guess then I'll do just that
[09:44] <mwhudson> morning europe
[09:44] <mwhudson> why would "mk-sbuild xenial" fail with "E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release" (new xenial install)
[09:48] <rbasak> mwhudson: missing proxy setting perhaps?
[09:48]  * rbasak is guessing
[10:04] <mwhudson> rbasak: i don't *think* so
[10:04] <mwhudson> it's possible
[10:04] <mwhudson> basic debootstrap works
[10:05] <mwhudson> (well, gets past that point at least)
[10:06]  * mwhudson runs bash -x ...
[10:06] <mwhudson> oh wait, out of date proxy settings in ~/.mk-sbuild.rc
[10:10] <rbasak> mwhudson: btw, I did hit 1569400 on xenial the other day. Simple workaround. Though you may not hit it unless you use Etc/UTC too.
[10:11] <mwhudson> it seems to be working so far
[10:12] <mwhudson> well, i made a xenial schroot and trusty is grinding away
[13:48] <plars> anyone know what could cause things to get into this state? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15913154/
[13:49] <plars> Running apt-get update in this schroot seems to get errors like this:
[13:49] <plars> W: No sandbox user '_apt' on the system, can not drop privileges
[13:49] <plars> W: GPG error: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial InRelease: Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?)
[13:49] <plars> W: The repository 'http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial InRelease' is not signed.
[14:00] <doko> seb128, Laney: is xterm-256color set by default now as TERM variable?
[14:01] <seb128> urg, I don't even know what that variable is and what sets it, I'm really not the person to ask about that, but maybe Laney knows...
[14:02] <pitti> doko: this has changed a while ago already, at vivid or wily or so
[14:03]  * pitti noticed when his own nick suddendly switched to white in weechat :)
[14:03] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/all-snaps/rpi3$ env |grep TERM
[14:03] <ogra_> TERM=xterm
[14:03] <jrwren> doko: usually your terminal client sets that and its carried forward by ssh or wahtever. So it would be gnome-terminal or ubuntu-terminal or whatever. Each will set a TERM. Its not a system wide setting.
[14:03] <doko> pitti: but inside screen, you get now screen.xterm-256color, which is not functional
[14:03] <ogra_> not for me ...
[14:03] <ogra_> seems it doesnt get migrated on updates ?
[14:03] <pitti> yes, this is in libvte
[14:03] <cjwatson> that really seems like something screen should fix
[14:04] <pitti> configure.ac:VTE_DEFAULT_TERM=xterm-256color
[14:04] <pitti> (in vte2.91)
[14:04] <cjwatson> screen.xterm-256color does exist though
[14:04] <pitti> gnome bug 168251
[14:05] <pitti> sorry, no, this was much older
[14:05] <doko> ahh, only if I change into a chroot inside screen
[14:05] <pitti> gnome bug 740641
[14:05] <cjwatson> it was added in ncurses 20150627
[14:05] <pitti> changed in https://git.gnome.org/browse/vte/commit/configure.ac?id=82a8b0697dd9
[14:05] <cjwatson>         + comment-out "screen.xterm" entry, and inherit screen.xterm-256color
[14:06] <cjwatson>           from xterm-new (report by Richard Birkett) -TD
[14:06] <cjwatson> so perhaps wouldn't work with older ncurses-term
[14:06] <pitti> seb128: FYI, broadly it describes to bash, curses programs or anything else that runs in a terminal what capabilities a terminal has
[14:06] <doko> ncurses-term is missing there
[14:07] <pitti> seb128: like "can it show colors" and how many
[14:07] <pitti> seb128: that's used by things like pstree, mc, or others to decide whether to use fancy characters, colors, etc. or not
[14:07] <seb128> pitti, k
[14:08] <seb128> well, vte&co is not something I usually look at, larsu and La_ney have been the ones doing the changes/updates in recent cycles
[14:08] <doko> so maybe we should add this entry to ncurses-base, instead of ncurses-term?
[14:09] <cjwatson> dunno the rationale for that particular split
[14:09] <doko> size?
[14:09] <cjwatson> sure, but the positioning forof it
[14:09] <cjwatson> *of it
[14:09] <cjwatson> if it were me I'd consult Sven (Debian ncurses maintainer)
[14:32]  * Laney nod
[14:35] <doko> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1571684
[14:38] <doko> even the version 1.4.2-3 in the archive fails this way
[14:46] <tkamppeter> infinity, hi
[14:58] <infinity> doko: That looks like the same thing Steve mangles in lua.
[15:24] <doko> infinity, yes, it does the same
[15:42] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: can you test with xenial latest? (in case you haven't already) -- should be up to your version, just would like a verification from you
[15:47] <doko> argh, and the same in llvm :-/
[16:00] <cking> libdm0 is apparently superceded in Xenial, but I can't find the dmapi that replaces it.
[16:00] <cking> any ideas?
[16:26] <Mirv> pitti: ok thanks for commenting on the bug #1571353. it's a bit like I suspected but decided to ask anyway. steve retried the faulty autopkgtest in the morning for bzoltan_. we had another one last week and will certainly ping you also the next time.
[16:30] <pitti> Mirv: right, I'd rather get to the bottom of this
[16:42] <seb128> bdmurray, on the daily e.u.c xenial report it seems like half of the entries don't have function names/symbols, do you know if we have issues with apport/gdb/retracers still in xenial?
[16:42] <pitti> argh, LP timing out again
[16:42] <seb128> pitti, ^
[16:42] <pitti> seb128: obviously we do have an issue then; I haven't looked into this yet (wasn't aware of that)
[16:43] <bdmurray> seb128: I've been looking into it a bit with a cdparanoia crash, but haven't found the issue.
[16:46] <seb128> pitti, well, not "obviously", often it turns out that retracing fails because of packages -dbgsym are missing, or buggy, or version got deprecated or whatsoever
[16:47] <seb128> I'm just wondering if there is an infra problem
[16:47] <seb128> or if we are just dealing with a stack of individual unrelated issues
[16:47] <seb128> I guess the answer is "nobody looked enough to say"
[16:47] <seb128> bdmurray, pitti, thanks
[16:50] <bdmurray> seb128: I think we'll be in better shape if we fix bug 1517257
[16:50] <seb128> oh, that's still not fixed?
[16:51] <seb128> I though you identified that as an issue earlier in the cycle and said it was due to be fixed a bit after that
[16:51] <seb128> could be the issue there then?
[16:52] <bdmurray> I don't recall saying it was going to be fixed, and that may help.
[16:53] <seb128> k, maybe I mixing that with some other issues
[16:53] <bdmurray> Once we get past the release I'll look at fixing that though.
[16:54] <stgraber> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15916692/
[17:03] <dobey> bdmurray: does the retracer for e.u.c not install PPAs that packages might be installed from, to retrace against? ie, for landing silos, for example?
[17:04] <bdmurray> dobey: it only install packages from the overlay PPA
[17:05] <dobey> bdmurray: would it be terribly difficult to enable installing packages from other PPAs that might be enabled?
[17:06] <bdmurray> dobey: iirc it wouldn't be that difficult, but I don't think that is the problem.
[17:07] <dobey> bdmurray: not which problem? it is certainly the problem i am asking about. :)
[17:08] <dobey> bdmurray: i didn't mean to imply it was related to some other problem with e.u.c
[17:08] <bdmurray> dobey: oh, okay! I think slangasek had some concerns about enabling every PPA for retracing.
[17:10] <smoser> hey. someone systemd boot knowledgable want to take a gander at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1571761
[17:14] <dobey> bdmurray: not sure what the concerns were, and i wouldn't want them all enabled all the time, but if we could include non-private PPA sources.list identifiers somehow, (maybe just a listing of /etc/apt/sources.d/*.list) and enable some to be installed for retracing when needed, that would be nice; even if we limited it to PPAs owned by ci-train-ppa-service or something
[17:15] <dobey> bdmurray: i guess maybe i should file a bug about it?
[17:15] <bdmurray> dobey: please about the daisy project
[17:16] <dobey> yep, will do
[17:23] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc: okay, thanks, will check
[17:30] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: thanks!
[17:30] <dobey> bdmurray: bug #1571777
[17:41] <slangasek> dobey, bdmurray: the concern is whether a hostile ppa could feed the retracers bad symbols that break gdb and compromise the retracer env.  I do not assume that gdb has been well-hardened against hostile input
[17:43] <dobey> slangasek: right, but i presume we can assume the landing silo PPAs to be safe in that regard, since we do binary copies from them to archive when landing
[17:44] <slangasek> dobey: yes, we can rely on that being safe
[17:45] <dobey> slangasek: does my proposed solution in comment 1 of the aforementioned bug sound reasonable to you in that respect? ie, implement as a whitelist until we can ensure the other concerns are resolved?
[17:50] <slangasek> dobey: "implement a whilelist" would be ok, but I don't expect we're going to get someone to audit gdb for this use case
[17:51] <dobey> slangasek: well, perhaps; but then we'll just have a whitelist forever, which is probably fine too. should make it easier if we need to add more landing silos or such in the future too
[17:57] <cjwatson> you'll need to bear in mind the near-future ephemeral PPA use case too
[18:01] <dobey> cjwatson: i guess the PPA will exist until things have landed or been abandoned, right? i think my suggested implmentation would work for that, since it's not to always enable all those PPAs, but to include a listing in the crash report, and have the retracer decide based on that, and the crash, whether to enable a PPA and install stuff from it
[18:05] <cjwatson> dobey: right, but it does mean that we want to think about ensuring that it isn't a manually-maintained whitelist of individual PPAs
[18:05] <cjwatson> dobey: it might be acceptable to have it be a whitelist of either PPA owner or full PPA reference (e.g. [~ci-train-ppa-service, ~ubuntu-toolchain-r/ubuntu/test])
[18:06] <dobey> cjwatson: sure
[18:06] <dobey> sounds reasonable
[18:10] <rharper> if a bug in ubuntu is fixed in unstable debian (and we just sync the package, no ubuntu changes) then in the bug, do we just request a sync of the package ? (Versus applying an upstream fix via debdiff) ?
[18:11] <teward> slangasek: thanks for the clarification
[18:29] <elbrus_> nacc: I have a php7 regression bug in cacti
[18:30] <elbrus_> nacc: bug 1571432
[18:30] <elbrus_> solution is simple:
[18:30] <elbrus_> line 66 of install/index.php needs an addition "i"
[18:30] <elbrus_> mysql -> mysqli
[18:31] <elbrus_> I'll add you to the bug
[18:31] <nacc> elbrus_: thanks, i've actually had a few bugs come in that are private right now with cacti
[18:32]  * elbrus_ should be able to see private bugs
[18:32] <nacc> elbrus_: will provide a debdiff and fix for cacti today
[18:32] <nacc> elbrus_: ok, one sec
[18:32] <elbrus_> hmm, don't see any with cacti
[18:33] <nacc> elbrus_: they are gainst php7.0 right now
[18:33] <nacc> elbrus_: because it's a SEGV :/
[18:33] <elbrus_> nacc: a, ok
[18:33] <nacc> elbrus_: LP: #1569202 and LP: #1569993
[18:34]  * elbrus_ is checking
[18:35] <elbrus_> nacc: your understanding of the suhosin is similar to mine: it shouldn't matter
[18:36] <elbrus_> nacc: interestingly 202 is using mysqlnd
[18:38] <nacc> elbrus_: ack, i don't know enough about cacti to know what exactly is happening, but didn't see anything upstream in php7.0 to indicate that it had been "fixed" obviously :)
[18:38] <elbrus_> and so does the other bug... maybe good to check if this goes away with the php-mysql driver
[18:39]  * elbrus_ added php-mysqlnd way later on request (Debian bug 744067)
[18:39] <nacc> elbrus_: ack, would you be able to comment that into the bug (i've duped them together right now, i think that's correct based upon the traces, that the root-cause is the same, but feel free to undupe if you disagree)
[18:41] <nacc> is it possible that a python3 package has a python2 reference in the source? specifically python3-lazr.restfulclient calling urllib.urlencode directly (rather than urllib.parse.urlencode)?
[18:43] <nacc> nm, bug already exists :)
[18:43] <nacc> LP: #1425609
[18:44] <nacc> cjwatson: i guess you own the above :)
[18:51] <elbrus_> nacc: stacktrace p item of item #4 of LP: #1569202 looks weird to me, is that normal ? (/me has never seen a php stacktrace before) looks like memory allocation issues
[18:53] <nacc> elbrus_: note that i think i also duped the bugs because they were from the same person :)
[18:54] <nacc> elbrus_: sorry, 'stacktrace p item' ?
[18:54] <elbrus_> https://i253407377.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/253407377/Stacktrace.txt?token=79F8Snh3qfhwqHbcT8v9CXLk2Ld57CmG
[18:54] <elbrus_> item #4
[18:55] <elbrus_> p= ....
[18:55] <nacc> elbrus_: ah, reading
[18:55] <nacc> elbrus_: hrm, that does look like corruption?
[18:55] <nacc> or the string getting fubar'd :)
[18:55] <elbrus_> absolutely not sure, but it looks weird
[18:55] <elbrus_> that
[18:56] <nacc> elbrus_: let me pull up the source
[18:57]  * elbrus removed an underscore...
[18:59] <nacc> elbrus: yeah, if you look at #7  to #4, it seems like query -> p gets ocrrupted (and the length got modified)
[18:59] <elbrus> indeed
[19:00] <elbrus> I mean, query in #7 I recognize
[19:01] <nacc> elbrus: yep
[19:06] <nacc> elbrus: hrm, i'm not even sure what p is! it gets copied to but then is unused :)
[19:06] <nacc> let me look upstream
[19:08] <nacc> elbrus: upstream's code is different, trying to see why, as it claims to not have been changed since october :/
[19:11] <nacc> elbrus: nm, that's what's pending in 7.1.0, i think (quite extensive rewrite)
[19:11] <rbasak> slangasek: I think what teward is looking for is a clear understanding of the rules around packages whose sources are in main. I think he's looking for you to say that it's fine for a source package in main to now build depend on a package in universe that results in a binary package that is in universe to have a dependency on a binary package that is in universe :)
[19:11]  * teward was pinged
[19:12] <teward> slangasek: basically, what rbasak said (me without coffee doesn't word things clearly apparently)
[19:12] <slangasek> rbasak: isn't that what I just said?
[19:12] <teward> rbasak: thanks for interpreting the question :)
[19:13] <rbasak> slangasek: I don't think you literally said that. I interpret what you said to mean this but I also understand why teward still isn't sure :)
[19:13] <teward> not counting the coffee issue, yes :P
[19:13] <rbasak> (you said it won't impact main, which isn't the same thing as "you're allowed")
[19:13] <rbasak> teward: you're allowed :-)
[19:13] <teward> indeed
[19:13] <teward> rbasak: thanks for being the interpreter :)
[19:14] <slangasek> heh :)
[20:11]  * elbrus is afk
[21:08] <doko> infinity, all llvm builds fixed, except for 3.6: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/254390499/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-powerpc.llvm-toolchain-3.6_1%3A3.6.2-3ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz any idea about that one?
[21:40] <tumbleweed> erm, what happened to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.xenial/ ? (seeded-in-ubuntu's crawling is complaining)
[22:24] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: I've fixed the seed bug that caused that
[22:24] <cjwatson> nacc: grah, guess I'll have to poke that in the distro tomorrow
[22:25] <nacc> cjwatson: thanks, i just hit it using launchpadlib which is why i noticed, i haven't yet looked to see if the referenced tree has the correct fix; i don't think the one mentioned in the bug applies any longer (but the correct fix is to just do what other urllib imports did already, and then i think we can delete `import urllib`) itself
[22:32] <doko> tjaalton, freeipa (4.3.1-0ubuntu1) "Sync from Debian" ???
[22:37] <cjwatson> nacc: which is what was done upstream
[22:38] <nacc> cjwatson: ah ok, i hadn't looked yet, thanks!
[22:42] <doko> xnox, infinity: lz4 now built. the fuzzer tests works with a random seed, so this is a random test failure. Looks like a real bug for some seed values
[22:45] <denlud> Hey people, my suspend at my Laptop isnt working at the moment. Everytime i wake my laptop up, my filesystem is crashing. Can someone help me?
[22:45] <denlud> Already tried alot.
[22:46] <teward> denlud: support in #ubuntu
[22:46] <denlud> ok
[22:46] <sarnold> doko: did I read that correctly? lz4's build-test fuzzer found something?
[22:46] <doko> sarnold, yes
[22:47] <sarnold> doko: crazy; that feels like hitting a sha-1 collision by chance :)
[22:47] <doko> sarnold, look at the failed build in the test rebuild for the seed value
[22:49] <slangasek> tych0: bug #1571082> /var/log/lxd, I have lxd.log and juju-b43656cd-a9d3-4c92-80ac-599997219ad7-machine-0/; did you want one or the other or both?
[22:50] <tych0> slangasek: lxd.log and $container/lxc.log are good, thanks!
[22:50] <tych0> the second one might not exist, not sure
[22:50] <tych0> depends on how far things ogt
[22:55] <rbasak> The reproducible builds people will love that.
[22:56] <tych0> rbasak: oh?
[22:56] <rbasak> I suppose if the binary is stable...
[22:56] <rbasak> tych0: sorry, I meant about lz4 above.
[22:56] <tych0> oh :)
[22:58] <sarnold> rbasak: hah
[22:58] <sarnold> it shouldn't affect the output packages though
[22:58] <sarnold> just build logs


[21:22] <eddyTV> Hi. Is there a way to force the link state of a network interface "UP" when the NIC driver is loaded? When the kernel (5.0.0-36-generic) loads the e1000e driver on boot, link is NOT established. This is preventing NFS root booting from working.
[21:23] <eddyTV> I can easily reproduce this by doing `rmmod e1000e` and then `modprobe e1000e`. No link LEDs on the PHY. But if I issue `ip link set eno1 up`, about 3 seconds later I get actual connectivity and LEDs come on...
[22:51] <sarnold> eddyTV: in wild-guess territory, what's loading the module for you? /etc/modules in initramfs? or a udev rule? whatever is doing the load could probably also be configured to do the ip link set up command