[01:24] <feliscatusmeows> hello
[13:17] <Golemy> Hi! Could someone tell how to force xubuntu to use xorg.conf viewportin as display size or manually set display size?
[13:17] <Golemy> I am trying to use 1280x960 (4:3) resolution on a 1280x1024 (5:4) monitor
[13:19] <Golemy> But unfortunately xubuntu programs all think I'm using 1280x1024 resolution even though the nvidia output shows black bars and 1280x960
[13:28] <diogenes_> Golemy, wouldn't it be easier to do it with xrandr?
[13:29] <Golemy> xrandr man pages look like a lot of fun for an hour or two
[13:30] <Golemy> I thought maybe there's a simple answer I'm overlooking
[13:30] <diogenes_> Golemy, simply: xrandr --size 1280x1024
[13:32] <Golemy> hmm.. that gives me fullscreen which I don't want and replacing 1280x1024 with 1280x960 has the original problem
[13:33] <Golemy> xubuntu still draws 1280x1024, but the viewport shown is 1280x960
[13:34] <Golemy> it feels like xubuntu has it's heart set on using display size


[01:33] <StevenK> wallyworld_, wgrant: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/new-calendar-2.jpg
[01:33] <wallyworld_> so close
[01:33] <wallyworld_> pity is has to be inside the overlay though
[01:33] <wgrant> I think that time thing is in a yui3-g without being inside a yui3-u
[01:34] <wallyworld_> is there no way it can just be a calendar without needing the overlay?
[01:35] <StevenK> wallyworld_: The calendar doesn't handle hiding and such, it is designed to be shown in a page
[01:36] <StevenK> wgrant: I should set the class of the time div to yui3-u?
[01:36] <wallyworld_> ok. pity. yui's fault i guess
[01:36] <StevenK> wallyworld_: The docs for Y.Calendar say that popup functionality will be added later
[01:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, if it's inside a yui3-g it needs to be wrapped in a yui3-u (or yui3-u variant)
[01:36] <wallyworld_> ah ok
[01:37] <wgrant> yui3-g changes text spacing to make the grid bits fit together better
[01:37] <wgrant> yui3-u resets it to actually be sane for text
[01:37] <StevenK> That looks much better
[01:38] <StevenK> The only thing left on my list is the overlay is too wide
[01:38] <StevenK> Setting a width below about 415px is ignored
[01:38] <wgrant> You also really want to remove the calendar outline and background
[01:38] <wgrant> And centre it in the overlay
[01:40] <StevenK> wgrant: That's done by a yui3-calendar-content div, can I select it and remove it?
[01:40] <StevenK> With its children being re-parented, that is
[01:41] <wgrant> StevenK: Or override the skin
[01:42] <StevenK> wgrant: For that one div?
[01:57] <wgrant> StevenK: Probably.
[01:57] <wgrant> StevenK: I forgot how much is the skin and how much is core
[01:58] <wgrant> It may be worth just not using the skin at all
[02:00] <StevenK> wgrant: Removing the skin from the containing div seems to have little effect
[02:01] <wgrant> StevenK: What do you mean "removing the skin"?
[02:02] <StevenK> div class="yui3-g" rather than "yui3-skin-sam yui3-g"
[02:02] <wgrant> Isn't the yui3-skin-sam class on the <body>?
[02:05] <StevenK> wgrant: There is one on the body as well, yes
[02:05] <StevenK> That may impact far more than just the calendar
[02:06] <wgrant> StevenK: Didn't you just add it to the body?
[02:06] <wgrant> Or was it there originally?
[02:07] <wgrant> StevenK: Removing it from the div won't do anything if it's on the body.
[02:07] <wgrant> Any ancestor counts
[02:07] <StevenK> wgrant: I didn't add it to the body, no
[02:08] <wgrant> Ah, right, a few of our widgets and the accordion use it
[02:08] <wgrant> StevenK: Perhaps just add some rules to override the border away
[04:21] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/sharing-icon-fix/+merge/159751
[04:23] <StevenK> wgrant: The grantee_row.one means it would only find the first and not act on the others?
[04:23] <wgrant> StevenK: Right. And unlike Storm's .one(), it won't crash if there's more than one.
[04:24] <StevenK> Right
[04:24] <StevenK> wgrant: I thought the +sharing stuff had fairly good JS tests, can haz?
[04:32] <StevenK> wgrant: I am a bad person. "Y.one('.yui3-calendar-content').removeClass(
[04:32] <StevenK> 'yui3-calendar-content');
[04:33] <wgrant> StevenK: Won't that completely destyle it?
[04:33] <wgrant> I'd prefer just adding some LP CSS rules to override the styles
[04:35] <StevenK> wgrant: No? http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/new-calendar-3.jpg
[04:36] <wgrant> Ah, I guess the other styles must be on yui3-calendar-header and the like
[04:36] <StevenK> Yeah
[04:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Even so, that's far more evil than just overriding the style
[04:36] <StevenK> But it's evil that works!
[04:37] <StevenK> wgrant: And I suspect due to the way we are putting the CSS in the METAL macro the calendar CSS is loaded after combo.css
[04:40] <wgrant> StevenK: You could limit the selector to calendars within an overlay
[04:41] <wgrant> That both makes sense and should increase the specificity
[04:41] <wgrant> So your rule overrides even though it's earlier
[04:45] <StevenK> wgrant: .yui3-pretty-overlay.yui3-calendar-content { ... ?
[04:49] <wgrant> StevenK: They're not on the same element, are they?
[04:49] <StevenK> wgrant: No
[04:54] <wgrant> StevenK: Then that doesn't make sense
[04:54] <wgrant> You at least need a space :)
[04:57] <StevenK> ".yui3-pretty-overlay .yui3-calendar-content {
[04:57] <StevenK> That gets listed second and as overridden by firebug
[04:58] <wgrant> StevenK: What's the selector on the rule that overrides it?
[04:59] <StevenK> .yui3-skin-sam .yui3-calendar-content {
[04:59] <wgrant> Ah
[04:59] <wgrant> Add .yui3-skin-sam and it will work
[05:00] <StevenK> Still convinced CSS is black magic
[05:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Indeed, looks great
[05:01] <wgrant> A style attribute always wins. After that, basically a tuple of (number of ID references, number of class references, number of element references) is generated for each selector, and the greatest one wins.
[05:02] <wgrant> So #foo > .foo bar.baz > .foo .baz > .foo > bar
[05:02] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, so in this case, my background: none, border: none win out, and the selector from calendar-base isn't applied since it would trump a higher rule?
[05:03] <wgrant> StevenK: The grouping of rules wihin a single selector doesn't matter.
[05:03] <wgrant> The winner is calculated on a per-attribute basis.
[05:03] <StevenK> Right
[05:04] <StevenK> wgrant: Now we just need to center the calendar and I think we're good
[05:04] <wgrant> So if I have "a {text-align: left; font-weight: bold}; a.normal {font-weight: normal};", an <a class="normal"> will get text-align: left; font-weight: normal;
[05:05] <wgrant> StevenK: Indeed
[05:05] <wgrant> A margin: auto; somewhere should do the trick.
[05:05] <StevenK> style="text-align:center" on the enclosing div?
[05:05] <wgrant> I'd avoid text-align here, probably.
[05:05] <wgrant> But it might work.
[05:05] <wgrant> I haven't looked at the structure created by the calendar widget.
[05:05] <wgrant> But text-align might work if the container is an inline-block
[05:06] <StevenK> I'll try margin: auto; on the overlay's body div
[05:08] <StevenK> wgrant: margin: auto; does not help
[05:09] <wgrant> StevenK: Are you sure that's on the right element?
[05:09] <wgrant> It needs to be the top-level uncentered element, and it needs to be a block inside a block
[05:10] <StevenK> It's the container, which has the calender inside it
[05:10] <StevenK> The container is then the bodyContent for the overlay
[05:12] <StevenK> wgrant: Clear as mud?
[05:13] <wgrant> Poke around and see what works :)
[05:24] <StevenK> wgrant: In terms of margin: auto, nothing
[05:24] <StevenK> I've put it on the calendar div itself, the container div, the yui3-overlay-bd div and the yui3-pretty-overlay-content div
[06:11] <wgrant> StevenK: I've pushed up a test (and fixed an existing test which would have always passed)
[06:23] <wgrant> StevenK: Thanks.
[06:23] <StevenK> wgrant: Sorry, got distracted by a phone call, but it did get marked as approve?
[06:24] <wgrant> Yep
[06:24] <StevenK> Right, excellent
[23:14]  * cjwatson tries to understand https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/i386/ubuntuone-couch
[23:15] <cjwatson> Was that a change-override accident or something?


[16:01] <lamont> Can I get someone to nominate bug 1578674 for xenial?
[16:03] <lamont> or is that something i can do?
[16:03] <lamont> s/can/should/
[16:54] <teward> lamont: if you have bug control you can nominate it for Xenial; if you have upload rights you can actually just set it as affects series: xenial
[16:54] <teward> and then not have to wait for it to be approved to be against that release
[16:54] <teward> series
[16:54] <teward> gah i can't type
[16:56] <lamont> teward: kewl
[16:57]  * lamont does the targeting, lets it bake
[16:58] <teward> well it's already approved for Xenial series so :P


[17:56] <akik> how can i configure cloud-init for smaller timeouts if there's no cloud configuration data available?
[17:58] <akik> it took minutes to boot the vm on my local machine with cloud-init enabled


[08:30] <j0nr> morning
[08:36] <j0nr> does renaming folder cause whole folder to be re-uploaded? similarly, does renaming a file, cause the file to be re-uploaded?
[08:42] <duanedesign> j0nr: no it does not
[09:51] <j0nr> duanedesign: oh good, so I could rename all my files and it will just rename them on the server?
[10:20] <karni> Good morning!
[10:36] <duanedesign> j0nr: that is correct
[10:36] <duanedesign> helllloooo karni
[10:36] <karni> hello duanedesign :)
[12:08] <mandel> buenos dias !!!
[12:12] <duanedesign> hey mandel !
[12:16] <fagan>  yo mandel
[12:31] <karni> yo mandel!
[12:37] <dobey> aquarius: aye, a .45. it's a quote from Ronin. :)
[13:21] <DiegoSarmentero> lisette, hi!
[13:21] <lisette> hi
[13:22] <lisette> diegosarmentero: I have been working on the new image today and expect to send you something later
[13:22] <DiegoSarmentero> lisette, ahhhhhh okok, thanks! you read my mind :P
[13:23] <lisette> diegosarmentero: of course, i am psychic! :)
[13:23] <lisette> or psycho..
[13:24] <karni> nessita: Hi hi! If user creates an account via SSO website, does U1 have tokens before the user validates the token? (Question: If user tries to *log in* to my app, can I assume the email has been validated already?)
[13:25] <DiegoSarmentero> lisette, jejeje
[13:25] <nessita> karni: if the user creates the account via SSO website, U1 *never* has any token until a ping happens
[13:26] <karni> nessita: right. so if user logs in to my app after creating an account via SSO, I should 1) get the token 2) check if it has been validated 3) if yes, ping U1
[13:30] <nessita> karni: yes. Since "login" will give you always a new token, you should always ping our server
[13:30] <karni> nessita: But new token does not mean the account has been validated. That was my main concern.
[13:30] <karni> nessita: Right? :)
[13:31] <nessita> karni: exactly, confirming that a account is validated is an independent step, that we need to always perform before pinging
[13:32] <karni> nessita: Thank you =)
[13:33] <karni> nessita: One more question. You are calling api.validate_email() - isn't it's success equivalent to account being validated? (Do you always call api.me() ? Can't we assume api.validate_email() == success ==> account has been validated?)
[13:42] <nessita> karni: thing is that you can't call validate_email without having the email token
[13:43] <karni> nessita: right. but if the user logs in, I get the token, verify account status - turns out not yet validated, instead of logging the user in I can show the "Please input token here" screen :)
[13:43] <nessita> right
[13:43] <karni> nessita: cool! :)
[13:43] <nessita> so, verify account status == calling me()
[13:44] <karni> nessita: in that case, yes
[13:44] <karni> nessita: I was too general, sorry.
[13:46] <nessita> :-)
[14:29] <nessita> mandel: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/cleanup-os-helper/+merge/69644
[14:42] <nessita> mandel: bug #817567
[14:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 817567 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: can_write and access have the same implementation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817567
[14:45] <nessita> alecu: tests.platform.test_filesystem_notifications
[14:45] <nessita> alecu: from http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/653817/
[14:47] <dobey> grr, deleted proposals. i wish lp would at least send mails when that happens
[14:54] <dobey> hrmm, i wonder
[14:54] <dobey> is it possible to make coverage ignore specific files
[15:00] <mandel> nessita: errno.ENOENT is the no file error
[15:00] <mandel> nessita: form http://docs.python.org/library/errno.html#errno.ENOENT
[15:01] <dobey> hmm
[15:02] <dobey> i wonder what the best way to check that ubuntu one is "installed" is
[15:02] <dobey> and i suppose classified as "up-to-date-ish"
[15:03] <dobey> suppose i have to ask aptdaemon if PPA is enabled or not
[15:03] <dobey> and if stuff is installed
[15:07] <DiegoSarmentero> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/loadingoverlay-timing-fix
[15:09] <nessita> dobey: good morning! we have this branch failing to land because, apparently, tarmac is not using u1client latest trunk https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/loadingoverlay-timing-fix/+merge/69650
[15:10] <nessita> mandel: bug #817582
[15:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 817582 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: _set_file_attributes should raise a more specific error when the path does not exist (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817582
[15:13] <dobey> nessita: no i already fixed it
[15:14] <nessita> dobey: ah, ok, great
[15:14] <nessita> thanks!
[15:14] <dobey> hrmm, actually maybe not
[15:15] <dobey> wtf
[15:16] <dobey> grrrr
[15:16] <dobey> nessita: actually, it will take a bit. apparently the client nightlies haven't built all week, no idea why :(
[15:17] <nessita> dobey: oh
[15:17] <nessita> dobey: ok, let us know. Thanks!
[15:21] <dobey> ok, it will take a bit to build
[15:21] <dobey> i'm going to get lunch and hopefully will be done and published when i get back :)
[15:24] <nessita> verterok: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-dev-tools/remove-signal-receivers/+merge/64730
[15:25] <nessita> dobey: ah! maybe the nightlies are not building becasue a new package in ubuntuone/platform? :-/.
[15:33] <alecu> nessita, when you have a minute, please re-review: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/use-staggered-sso-ports/+merge/68922
[15:33] <nessita> dobey: ping
[15:47] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, hi, the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/loadingoverlay-timing-fix/+merge/69650 keeps failling to land into ubuntuone-control-panel, it seems that tarmac is not using u1client latest trunk, can you please let me know when this will be ready to be approved?
[15:47] <mandel> alecu, nessita: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/improve_watcher_tests/+merge/69671 based on nessitas changes this removes the need of mocker in the filesystem notifications
[15:51] <mandel> verterok:  ^
[16:08] <dobey> nessita: no, they weren't even getting requested to build
[16:12] <nessita> dobey: ack. Other thing: verterok just found out he had test failures dbus-related, and he tried my remove-sugnal-receivers branch and that fixed the issue. He added a comment in
[16:12] <nessita> https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-dev-tools/remove-signal-receivers/+merge/64730
[16:12] <nessita> dobey: can you please re-review with this new info?
[16:17] <dobey> nessita: i think we're still at the same place as before with that. it still looks like magic to me. we have no idea why exactly those timeouts are happening. really need info about why those tests are getting timeouterrors with exact details. "this makes it work" isn't enough to convince me :(
[16:20] <dobey> verterok: do you have any idea why exactly those tests fail in that way?
[17:08] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, ping
[17:09] <nessita> dobey: I'm not sure why we need to convince you to do the proper cleanup in tearDown, don't you agree removing the signals receivers is the proper procedure?
[17:11] <verterok> dobey: the handlers are alive after that test finish
[17:12] <verterok> dobey: before the move to devtools, that code was in the DBusTwistedTestCase
[17:14] <dobey> nessita: i don't agree that they're not already getting removed
[17:14] <nessita> dobey: right, but what's the harm in removing them?
[17:15] <dobey> nessita: it's not that i'm against doing it, if it's the right fix. but i want to understand that it is the right fix, and why. not just do it blindly because "it works" for you. black magic is not a good way to write software, and it seems like twisted is constantly forcing us into the black magic realm :(
[17:15] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: yes?
[17:16] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, did you have the chance to take a look at the branch i mentioned earlier?
[17:16] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/loadingoverlay-timing-fix/+merge/69650 keeps failling to land into ubuntuone-control-panel, it seems that tarmac is not using u1client latest trunk yet, can you please let me know when this will be ready to be approved?
[17:16] <nessita> dobey: well, for me is not fixing any black magic, I proposed the branch because I consider it was correct. But for verterok, he has the _trial_temp dir in memory and is using a SSD, so tests are running really fast for him
[17:18] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: it is already merged
[17:18] <nessita> dobey: and he's having these timeout issues and some failures becasue someone is calling sdtool.quit in the middle of another test
[17:18] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, i've already seen it! great! thanks
[17:19] <dobey> nessita: it is black magic, because nobody can seem to tell me why exactly stuff is failing, and why that fix works. all anyone can say is "it works"
[17:19] <nessita> dobey: so, we're guessing that a former signal receiver is acting up on events becasue it hasn't been removed from a signal
[17:22] <verterok> dobey: I'll debug it later, and find out the causes...right now I can't do it as I'm in the sprint
[17:23] <dobey> verterok: ok
[17:26] <dobey> nessita: right. so there is an isolation issue we need to fix. apparently in some cases, tests don't get tearDown done properly, and thus don't get disconnected from the bus. i want to know how, where, and why, so we can fix that problem. given that is the problem, i can't even see how your branch could possibly fix the issue, since it just does more stuff in teardown. this tells me it is a timing issue, and your branch works be
[17:26] <nessita> dobey: may be, yes.
[18:38] <verterok> mandel: got this lint issues http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/653942/ in lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-client/remove_watcher_q
[18:48] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, ping
[18:49] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, are you there?
[18:49] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: hi
[18:49] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, hi, i have troubles to submit code into ubuntuone-windows-installer with my user
[18:49] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, it seems that i'm not added to the members allowed to submit code for that project
[18:53] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: that e-mail address is apparently not one you have associated with your launchpad account?
[18:53] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, both of the e-mail address which i used to try to submit code are associated to my launchpad account
[18:56] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: there's only one e-mail address used there. but now i am confused, because your branch merged to the control panel
[18:57] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: you should update your bzr config so that it uses your canonical.com e-mail address when committing to canonical projects, though
[18:57] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, no no, i'm talking about ubuntuone-windows-installer....... did i need different permissions for this project?
[18:58] <dobey> no
[18:58] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, weird
[18:58] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: and you've had branches landed to it previously
[18:58] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, wait, i'm going to show you which error message i'm receiving
[18:58] <dobey> i know which error message you got
[18:59] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: i don't know why you did the empty commit with the other e-mail though (i just saw you did that)
[18:59] <dobey> an empty commit with a different author doesn't change the information for the existing commits :)
[19:00] <dobey> but it rejected both of them
[19:00] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, i changed my bzr whoami
[19:00] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: let me check something else...
[19:00] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, ok...... thanks
[19:03] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: you can stop resetting it to approved. it won't help :)
[19:04] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, i did it only once
[19:05] <dobey> ok, something is screwy with launchpad :(
[19:09] <nessita> brbs
[19:11] <dobey> wtf is going on
[19:16] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: ok, i still don't know what failed exactly, but workaround seems to have worked :(
[19:17] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, awesome! did you accept the branch or i can do it now?
[19:19] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: it's merged
[19:21] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: if other problems occur, ping me first, before doing things like empty commit and resetting to approved :)
[19:21] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, awesome!! thanks!
[19:21] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, ok, no problem
[19:22] <mandel> nessita: if you are free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEWiL1fbx_I&feature=related
[19:24] <mandel> nessita: ups: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/remove_watcher_q/+merge/69675
[19:37] <ralsina> nessita: if and when the other branch is approved: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/login-user-password/+merge/69709
[19:46] <mandel> alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/remove_watcher_q/+merge/69675
[20:18] <alecu> mandel, ./ubuntu_sso/main/tests/ubuntuone.reg
[20:21] <mandel> nessita: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/fix-rm-path/+merge/69691
[20:30] <spoleeba> hey... i think I have u1 client installed on F15 from sources...but I could really use some instructions on how to verify that its owrking id like to start with the u1sdtool on the cmdline if possible
[20:31] <spoleeba> there's little to no documentation in the sources to help test a from source installation of the entire Canonical depchain
[20:32] <nessita> mandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/653817/
[20:33] <dobey> spoleeba: man u1sdtool and u1sdtool --help don't help? :)
[20:34] <spoleeba> dobey, nope
[20:34] <spoleeba> dobey, for example....  u1sdtool --create-folder ~/Ubuntu\ One/poop  returns an error
[20:34] <spoleeba> dobey, FolderCreateError: UDFs can not be nested (path=/home/jspaleta/Ubuntu One/poop)
[20:34] <dobey> right
[20:35] <spoleeba> dobey, but --list-folders does not show a folder
[20:35] <dobey> ~/Ubuntu\ One/ is always synchronized
[20:35] <spoleeba> dobey, nor does --list-shares
[20:35] <spoleeba> dobey, how am I suppose to _know_ that?
[20:35] <spoleeba> dobey, not documented
[20:35] <dobey> because it is created automatically when ubuntuone-syncdaemon starts working
[20:35] <spoleeba> dobey, again... not documented
[20:36] <spoleeba> dobey, theres nothing in the source code that tells me what is expected to happen
[20:36] <dobey> sure there is. source code tells exactly what will happen :)
[20:36] <spoleeba> dobey, what i need is simple recipes of manual interact with testable results
[20:36] <dobey> u1sdtool --status
[20:36] <spoleeba> dobey, no install file
[20:37] <spoleeba> dobey, in fact it was a pain to even get the full depchain up and running....
[20:37] <spoleeba> dobey, can i dump that output here or do i need to pastebin it?
[20:38] <dobey> i'm sure it was. we don't officially support fedora. we develop on and target ubuntu.
[20:38] <dobey> probably pastebin, or you don't need to paste it. i was just giving you an example of a useful command
[20:39] <spoleeba> i dont care if you official support it
[20:39] <spoleeba> thats not the point.... id like u1 as to think of themselves as a real upstream project and provide the minimum information necessary to build and test from source on any host system
[20:40] <spoleeba> that's all im asking
[20:41] <spoleeba> i _think_ its working.. but there's no published sets of u1sdtool commands with expected results that I can run and then verify
[20:42] <spoleeba> dobey,  id=da5874ee-7a58-4871-953c-1e277b0bdc82 subscribed=True path=/home/sillypuddy/poop
[20:42] <spoleeba> dobey, im assuming that means syncdaemon will be syncing files from the poop directory now?
[20:43] <dobey> yes
[20:43] <spoleeba> dobey, and indeed....web interface shows it
[20:44] <mandel> nessita: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/fix-rm-path/+merge/69691
[20:44] <spoleeba> dobey, cmdline client works
[20:45] <spoleeba> dobey, what would i need to do to test the nautilus integration
[20:46] <dobey> i don't know how you installed stuff exactly, but for the nautilus and gnome-settings-daemon extensions to work, their bits have to be installed into the same prefix they're running from
[20:47] <spoleeba> ./configure  --sysconfdir=/etc/ --prefix=/usr  was used
[20:47] <dobey> ok
[20:48] <dobey> then nautilus/gnome-settings-daemon would need to be restarted to load the plug-ins. easiest way is log out/in
[20:49] <spoleeba> and...what am i looking for in the nautilus interface
[20:50] <spoleeba> im not even sure the install script from the sources installed the nautilus ext
[20:50] <dobey> well in synchronized folders, there should be a ribbon thing at the top of the window, and there are contextual menu options
[20:50] <spoleeba> contextual on a folder click?
[20:50] <dobey> what are you building from?
[20:51] <dobey> yes, for things under your home directory
[20:51] <spoleeba> ubuntuone-client-1.7.0  tarball
[20:52] <dobey> ok, then it should have installed the plug-ins
[20:53] <spoleeba> bah...
[20:53] <spoleeba> it wanted to install in /usr/lib   not /usr/lib64
[20:54] <spoleeba> ill have to tweak the configure call
[20:54] <dobey> yeah you need to pass --libdir
[20:55] <spoleeba> cmdline works...so im confident i can get it working
[20:57] <spoleeba> dobey, one really annoying thing... configure make  has Werror on by default and syncdaemon fails on an unused variable warning
[20:58] <codepal> hi - I was wondering why my Ubuntu One windows installer won't install? - Is it only for Vista > ?
[20:58] <codepal> Is there anything in the pipeline / buglist for Win XP?
[20:59] <spoleeba> dobey, i see the context menu in nautilus now
[21:00] <spoleeba> dobey, i think i have everything I need now to get the packaging work started on Fedora
[21:00] <spoleeba> dobey, im probably going to have some suggestions for install instructions to make it easier for other porters
[21:02] <fagan> codepal: id say wait for a while there is an update coming that will be a lot better than the current windows client
[21:02] <dobey> ok
[21:03] <codepal> fagan, is there a chance that I can get on a mailing list / something, I'd love to see what / when the latest is out.
[21:04] <fagan> codepal: you can look at our blog I dont know if there is any other place where we announce stuff like that
[21:04] <dobey> codepal: you can follow on twitter/facebook, or the ubuntu one blog
[21:04] <fagan> codepal: https://one.ubuntu.com/blog/
[21:04] <codepal> thanks! -- I found the wiki, which is a huge help. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Windows
[21:05] <fagan> codepal: thats not the updated one
[21:06] <fagan> codepal: there will be a new one coming soon so keep an eye on the twitter and the blog and you will see when its released
[21:06] <codepal> fagan, ok, awesome, keep up the great work, and thanks for the 5GB storage!!!
[21:06] <fagan> codepal: no problem enjoy :)
[21:06] <spoleeba> dobey, sync notices in gnome shell are working to
[21:07] <DiegoSarmentero> ralsina, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/fix805460
[21:07] <dobey> cool
[21:08] <spoleeba> dobey, so that gnome setting daemon plugin.... since the gnome3 settings stuff is very different than gnome2..is that expected to work?
[21:09] <spoleeba> dobey, will it show up as an icon in the system settings window?
[21:10] <dobey> gnome-settings-daemon is a separate thing that always runs. i don't know if ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk will show up in the system settings in fedora
[21:12] <spoleeba> dobey, is that control panel a separate package?
[21:13] <spoleeba> dobey, i think it is.
[21:13] <spoleeba> dobey, clearly the control panel is not required.
[21:15] <dobey> yes, ubuntuone-control-panel is the project on launchpad
[21:15] <dobey> it's not required, and will present more challenges on fedora
[21:16] <dobey> as it has some pieces that use apt
[21:16] <spoleeba> dobey, bah....not touching it
[21:16] <dobey> libubuntuone does as well, which is required for music store stuff; though it's not ported to gtk3 yet
[21:18] <spoleeba> dobey, why does it need apt for that?
[21:19] <spoleeba> dobey, and...fyi...fedora has apt
[21:19] <spoleeba> dobey, the music is treated as a package installed on the system?
[21:20] <dobey> no, we have to add a partner repository to legally install the mp3 codec for gstreamer
[21:20] <spoleeba> dobey, oh that
[21:20] <spoleeba> dobey, bah
[21:20] <spoleeba> dobey, clearly a packagekit hook could be optionally used
[21:20] <dobey> and control panel has it to install desktopcouch and evolution plug-in pieces, for additional features
[21:21] <spoleeba> dobey, but im not going to be working on extending the featureset under the new Canonical CLA... im happy to do minimal downstream work..but Im not going to be doing any significant reworking of features until Canonical takes the next step and goes inbound=outbound on its licensing
[21:21] <dobey> spoleeba: if packagekit supported everything i needed to do in libubuntuone, i would have used it. but it didn't and was easier to just talk to aptdaemon
[21:22] <spoleeba> dobey, sure for you....and i did say... optionally
[21:23] <dobey> yeah, well i didn't have time to implement the feature twice in two completely different ways, one which works, and one which probably won't and i don't have any easy way to test that it does
[21:23] <spoleeba> dobey, im not blaming you.
[21:24] <dobey> anyway, it is time for me to go
[21:24] <ralsina> alecu, mandel, I would *love* a second review for https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntu-sso-client/login-user-password/+merge/69336
[21:24] <spoleeba> dobey, but I am saying...id be willing to waste my time on it....if Canonical goes further in contrib agreement reform
[21:25] <dobey> ok. i'm not our legal team :)
[21:25] <dobey> anyway, later everyone
[21:25] <spoleeba> dobey, bye..thanks for the help
[21:27] <alecu> ralsina, looking
[21:41] <alecu> ralsina, ubuntu_sso/main/tests/test_linux.py
[22:30] <verterok> alecu, mandel: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~verterok/ubuntuone-client/tritcask-win-compat/+merge/69725


[00:00] <vidd> now to see if it "holds" on re-login....
[00:00] <vidd> brb
[00:01] <knome> did it work?
[00:01] <vidd> no
[00:01] <knome> :(
[00:02] <vidd> did not save on exit
[00:02] <vidd> but...it will do in a pinch
[00:02] <knome> hehe ok
[00:03] <anorexic> knome maybe u know of a way  to manually triger that dialog which asks to enter password to unlock keyring?
[00:04] <knome> anorexic, not really anything other than using the keyring :)
[00:04] <vidd> anorexic, you want it to prompt you? or NOT to prompt you?
[00:04] <anorexic> to promt
[00:04] <bitmouse> anybody know what a laptop mousepad would be working in a Command Line Install, once Xorg and Openbox get loaded?
[00:04] <anorexic> I did "not promting" but I need of a way to trigger it, so that keyring would be unlocked
[00:05] <vidd> bitmouse, is your stuff NOT working in the gui?
[00:06] <bitmouse> vidd: if you want to call openbox a gui
[00:06] <bitmouse> also is is there a difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[00:06] <anorexic> yes there is
[00:06] <bitmouse> what is the difference?
[00:06] <vidd> bitmouse, you need hal installed for the keyboard and mouse to work with xorg since II
[00:06] <vidd> bitmouse, aptitude is a text-based frontend for apt-get
[00:07] <bitmouse> vidd: cool, apt-get hal be enough, somebody else recommended gpm I think
[00:07] <vidd> bitmouse, for your mouse and keyboard to work: sudo apt-get install hal
[00:08] <bitmouse> roger, surprised that the installer didn't install that one on the system, i think it did it auto on this one
[00:08] <vidd> bitmouse, did you install cli-only and add openbox and xorg manually?
[00:10] <bitmouse> vidd: yeah, on both
[00:11] <vidd> bitmouse, is one 8.10 and one an older version?
[00:11] <vidd> (possibly older then upgraded to 8.10)
[00:13] <bitmouse> hmm, I think I just put 8.10 on both, though to be honest, I'm not sure, though i think I used the same install CD, by the way, is HAL minimal? cause I want to keep this thing crisp
[00:13] <bitmouse> vidd: and why not gpm?
[00:14] <vidd> bitmouse, because i have no idea what gpm is, and i know that hal fixed that for me
[00:14] <vidd> =]
[00:14] <bitmouse> lol, cool
[00:14] <bitmouse> yay it worked
[00:14] <bitmouse> : )
[00:17] <bitmouse> Long Distance Hug!!!;-)
[00:22] <vidd> bitmouse, =]
[00:27] <vidd> hey....anyone want to start seeding the 8.04 iso's?
[00:28] <knome> isn't they seeded anywhere?
[00:28] <knome> *aren't
[00:28] <vidd> apparently not
[00:29] <knome> you must be joking?
[00:29] <knome> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/desktop/ ?
[00:29] <knome> a-ha, permission problems
[00:29] <knome> a-ha, not
[00:30]  * vidd is not the one trying to get it
[00:30] <knome> let me see
[00:30] <knome> looks like those torrents work
[00:30] <vidd> knome, Mooc1 is the one who needs it
[00:30] <Mooc1> vidd didn't mean to freak you out
[00:30] <knome> Mooc1, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/desktop/
[00:30] <vidd> Mooc1, no problem
[00:31] <vidd> Mooc1, which version you need?
[00:31]  * vidd will throw the iso up on his torrentflux server
[00:32] <Mooc1> well this is my problem which really is not a problem I have a pctel modem and I just need to find a version that will work with the updated driver
[00:32] <knome> Mooc1, newer is usualle better with hardware support..
[00:32] <knome> *e=y
[00:32] <vidd> Mooc1, which version you have now?
[00:33] <Mooc1> 6.06 dapper drake
[00:33] <vidd> Mooc1, !
[00:33] <Mooc1> xubuntu
[00:34] <knome> Mooc1, that's over 2 years old
[00:34] <vidd> Mooc1, have you tried to upgrade via update manager?
[00:34] <Mooc1> yeah U know I have like 329 updates
[00:34]  * vidd recommends that you do so via tty with the server upgrade method
[00:34] <knome> vidd, that's also quite harsh :>
[00:34] <Mooc1> why the sever upgrade
[00:35] <Mooc1> I do need to upgrade though
[00:35] <vidd> there is a fundamental issue with the update manager somewhere between DD and HH
[00:35] <Mooc1> really
[00:36] <Mooc1> what does it do crash or not download?
[00:36] <vidd> so if you use the server update method, you *shouldnt* end up with a broken system
[00:37] <Mooc1> Well how do I do the server method
[00:37] <vidd> but...b4 you try any upgrade method, you need to max out your sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade first
[00:38] <vidd> !upgrade
[00:38] <vidd> Mooc1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes#From%207.10%20or%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS
[00:39] <Mooc1> brb
[00:42] <Mooc1> so I need to upgrade to what version?
[00:42] <vidd> 8.04 is the only "supported" upgrade method
[00:42] <Mooc1> ok
[00:42] <vidd> once there, you can then upgrade to 8.10
[00:43] <vidd> btw....is your system set up with a seperate partition for /home?
[00:44] <Mooc1> no I'm running xubuntu on my dino box
[00:44] <vidd> (i probably asked this last time too...but dont remember the answer
[00:44] <Mooc1> brb vidd phone call
[00:46]  * vidd always sets up a seperate /home (and seperate /var) partition so that a "fresh" install can be done from any version to any version without worrying about "upgrade issues"
[00:46] <vidd> =]
[00:49] <knome> meh
[00:49] <vidd> =\
[00:49] <knome> this kvm installation is taking ages
[00:49] <knome> there can't be everything right in there
[00:50] <vidd> something wrong with planning ahead for disaster recovery?
[00:50] <knome> even if i followed the howtos
[00:50] <vidd> oh...different subject =]
[00:50] <knome> doesn't really matter even if the installation failed
[00:53] <vidd> who had the question about the gnomekeyring?
[00:53] <knome> vidd, anorexic
[00:54] <vidd> anorexic, you there?
[00:54]  * vidd finds the answer and anorexic is nowhere to be found =\
[00:55] <vidd> wb djbushdio
[00:55] <knome> vidd, we don't know why it hurts
[00:57] <djbushdio> back to criticize your punctuation...
[00:58] <vidd> wait...are you the one i black-listed on my work machine? =]
[00:58] <Mooc1> ok so vidd upgrade to 8.04
[00:58] <djbushdio> oh, thats mean...
[00:58] <knome> djbushdio, "that's"
[00:58] <djbushdio> ouch
[00:58]  * vidd imports his work settings....
[00:58] <vidd> where'd he go?
[00:58] <vidd> lol
[00:59] <vidd> jk djbushdio
[00:59]  * vidd raely blacklists anyone
[00:59] <djbushdio> *rarely
[01:00] <vidd> (and rarely hits all the keys he wants)
[01:00] <djbushdio> ...
[01:00] <Mooc1> vidd so I need to upgrade to 8.04 then what
[01:00] <knome> djbushdio is soon going to be djobamadio?
[01:00] <vidd> its these fingers (and half-pot of coffee in the keyboard)
[01:00] <djbushdio> i like obama...
[01:01] <vidd> Mooc1, that is the best method
[01:01]  * vidd is SHOCKED djbushdio
[01:01] <djbushdio> darn conservatives... I'm and extreme moderate. Oh yeah
[01:01] <djbushdio> *an
[01:02] <vidd> moderate WHAT?
[01:02] <djbushdio> you heard me
[01:02] <vidd> even moderate socialists are evil!
[01:02] <djbushdio> ... not what i meant...
[01:02] <vidd> =]
[01:02] <knome> djbushdio, i didn't, i read the words you typed (apparently)
[01:03]  * vidd needs to go down to Walmart and buy a clue
[01:03] <djbushdio> okay, so everybody here has issues grammatically, now lets stop acting like kids and see if anybody actually needs help
[01:03] <djbushdio> *let's
[01:04]  * knome achoos loudly and wakes up all the elderlies in the building
[01:04]  * vidd is shocked TheSheep doesnt point out that is probably close to the "offtopic" channel!
[01:04] <knome> i was actually waiting for the same comment :]
[01:05] <vidd> (maybe he(?) dont know what Walmart is)
[01:05] <djbushdio> same, which is why i TYPED that we need to shut up
[01:05] <knome> why do we need to shut up? we're just typing and not making any noise
[01:05] <vidd> djbushdio, why not just join us there?
[01:06] <vidd> (off topic...not walmart)
[01:06] <vidd> =]
[01:06] <djbushdio> what is the channel name?
[01:06] <djbushdio> specifically
[01:06] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:12] <Mooc1> do not mention walmart I work there :-[
[01:12] <knome> i have never visited a walmart store.
[01:12] <Mooc1> Your not missing anything
[01:14] <Mooc1> knomw and vidd all I have to do is download 8.04 iso right to upgrade
[01:14] <knome> Mooc1, you don't need to D/L the iso if you upgrade
[01:14] <knome> !upgrade
[01:14] <vidd> Mooc1, just go to terminal and typoe "update-manager"
[01:15] <Mooc1> ah ok let me bookmakr the link
[01:15] <Mooc1> ok let me do that hold on
[01:15] <anorexic> elvis has left the building, sry knome
[01:15] <anorexic> ;]]
[01:16] <vidd> anorexic, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/06/clearing-or-resetting-the-gnome-keyring/
[01:16] <knome> anorexic, uhhuh? :)
[01:16] <anorexic> knome u vere trieng to wake the elders in the building
[01:16] <anorexic> so they al left together with elvis
[01:16] <knome> nah
[01:16] <anorexic> vidd thanks
[01:16] <knome> elvis has died already
[01:17] <vidd> twice if you believe the rumors
[01:17] <anorexic> no he went home
[01:17] <anorexic> if you believe men in black
[01:17] <anorexic> ;]]
[01:17] <knome> i don't
[01:17] <knome> i believe in completely different things
[01:17] <anorexic> u r doomed then
[01:17] <Mooc1> how do I change to be root
[01:17] <anorexic> use sudo
[01:18] <Mooc1> sudo refresh my memory
[01:18] <anorexic> its like sam says
[01:18] <Mooc1> gotcha
[01:18] <Mooc1> sudo what
[01:19] <anorexic> sudo command
[01:19] <anorexic> "super user do"
[01:19] <anorexic> liko sudo rm - rf /*
[01:19] <Mooc1> confused what else do I type sudo then what
[01:20] <anorexic> what do you want to do with root?
[01:20] <knome> Mooc1, sudo [the command you want to run as root]
[01:20] <Mooc1> so what sudo root
[01:20] <vidd> Mooc1, no....
[01:21] <anorexic> if you log in as root u will type "bitchx" and you will start program as root
[01:21] <vidd> for that you would "sudo su" (but it is STRONGLY recommended AGAINST
[01:21] <anorexic> if you are an user, and type "bitchx" you will start program as user
[01:21] <anorexic> if you are and user and type "sudo bitchx" you will start program as root
[01:21] <Mooc1> ok
[01:22] <Mooc1> so I type sudo bitchx
[01:23] <anorexic> Mooc1, have you tried windows? :)
[01:23] <anorexic> I dont think u are ready for linux
[01:23] <anorexic> even for ubuntu
[01:23] <Mooc1> no I just don't remember the command
[01:24] <Mooc1> I'm trying the command vidd gave me
[01:25] <vidd> Mooc1, the command was "update-manager" and its run as a user
[01:25] <vidd> otherwise i would say "sudo[command]"
[01:25] <Mooc1> I typed it and ask me to be root
[01:26] <vidd> strange.... then type "gksu update-manager"
[01:26] <Mooc1> hang on getting something let me cut and paste
[01:27] <djbushdio> does anybody have a good media manager for an mp3 player?
[01:28] <djbushdio> I'm trying to use amarok, but it isn't detecting some of my songs
[01:28] <Mooc1>    usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:17: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[01:28] <vidd> Mooc1, ah...ok
[01:28] <djbushido> test
[01:29] <djbushido> ok
[01:29] <knome> djbushido, ask #amarok
[01:29] <Mooc1> what does that mean vidd
[01:30] <knome> Mooc1, probably nothing you should be worried of :)
[01:30] <vidd> Mooc1, "sudo apt-get install update-manager-core"
[01:30] <Mooc1> ok hang on
[01:32] <Mooc1> ok done
[01:33] <vidd> Mooc1, now "gksu update-manager"
[01:35] <Mooc1> not it displayed the update manager
[01:36] <Mooc1> usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:17: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[01:36] <vidd> ....
[01:36] <vidd> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading-8.04
[01:38] <Mooc1> what about xubuntu or does that matter
[01:38] <vidd> dont matter
[01:39] <djbushido> *don't (hehe)
[01:39] <Mooc1> ok so now its a matter of uprading
[01:39] <Mooc1> dunt
[01:40] <Mooc1> :-P
[01:41] <Mooc1> vidd so just upgrade and I'm done then the server method
[01:43] <Mooc1> vidd u there
[01:43] <vidd> Mooc1, just upgrade
[01:43] <djbushido> does anybody have a recommendation for a media manager? Amarok seems broken, rhythmbox can't manage external devices...
[01:44] <knome> djbushido, ask #amarok...
[01:44] <djbushido> did, nobody is responding...
[01:44] <Mooc1> ok gotcha sorry my comp was doing something funny
[01:44] <knome> djbushido, wait for a while or a couple whiles. P
[01:44] <knome> :P
[01:44] <Mooc1> let me bookmark this link
[01:46] <Mooc1> I probably asked like a billion questions didn't mean just trying to get this dust box to act right
[01:46] <djbushido> oh, just had to reload amarok... wow i feel stupid
[01:46] <djbushido> and don't feel like you are asking a lot of questions, trust me, i have you beat...
[01:47] <Mooc1> really well I still feel like a house fly at times
[01:48] <djbushido> its ok, i feel like that posting in ubuntu forums...
[01:48]  * knome slaps Mooc1 with a flyswatter
[01:48] <djbushido> thats mean...
[01:48] <Mooc1> ouch
[01:48] <djbushido> by the way, how do you say that with your name on the right?
[01:48] <Mooc1> huh
[01:49] <knome> djbushido, /me does things
[01:49] <djbushido> "*|knome slaps Mooc1 with a flyswatter" not "knome|slaps Mooc1 with a flyswatter"
[01:49]  * djbushido feels stupid
[01:49] <djbushido> oh
[01:49] <Mooc1> hehehe
[01:50] <djbushido> see, you aren't the housefly...
[01:50] <djbushido> i got you beat by a long shot...
[01:50] <knome> night everybody.
[01:50] <Mooc1> knome keep those seeds up so I can get ubuntu 8.04 or xubuntu 8.04
[01:50] <knome> i will probably be back tomorrow.
[01:50] <djbushido> get 8.10 - thats what i use
[01:50] <Mooc1> me too gotta go
[01:51] <knome> Mooc1, i haven't seeded them, but i'm sure somebody will
[01:51] <Mooc1> I plan to
[01:51] <Mooc1> oh ok
[01:51] <knome> ->
[01:51] <Mooc1> one day somebody will
[01:51] <Mooc1> :-P
[01:51] <vidd> knome, you missed my summarry of what is to come!
[01:52] <djbushido> i missed it too... wait, what did i miss?
[01:52] <vidd> djbushido, you never came to my channel
[01:54] <Mooc1> well I better go got too much stuff to do tomorrow
[01:55] <Mooc1> hope someone will seed the xubuntu 8.04 or ubuntu
[01:55] <djbushido> i might have my old 8.04 alternate cd lying around, see me later
[01:56] <Mooc1> oh ok cool I need it please help me out
[01:56] <djbushido> got to leave in like 5 minutes, i should have time tomorrow though
[01:57] <Mooc1> thats cool for me see you then
[01:58] <Mooc1> later knome vidd djbushido
[01:58] <JUAN_ANTONIO> Hello
[01:58] <djbushido> whaddup
[01:59] <JUAN_ANTONIO> Need to know the minimum requirements for Xubuntu 8.10
[02:00] <djbushido> recommended ram=198
[02:00] <djbushido> or something like that, plus 1GB install space
[02:00] <JUAN_ANTONIO> Uhu
[02:00] <JUAN_ANTONIO> VGA?
[02:00] <Mooc1> well that disqualifies
[02:00] <Mooc1> me
[02:00] <JUAN_ANTONIO> Around 32 Mb maybe?
[02:00] <djbushido> uh...
[02:01] <djbushido> pretty sure the install cd needs ~92 mb
[02:01] <Mooc1> I have less than that
[02:01] <JUAN_ANTONIO> 92 Mb RAM or VGA?
[02:01] <djbushido> not sure
[02:02] <djbushido> check www.xubuntu.org
[02:02] <JUAN_ANTONIO> I cannot fin it inside, my friend
[02:02] <Mooc1> where did vidd go did he leave
[02:02] <djbushido> got to go, bye
[02:02] <JUAN_ANTONIO> So, tell me about your machine
[02:02] <JUAN_ANTONIO> Ok, bye
[02:03] <vidd> Mooc1, no...im still around
[02:03] <Mooc1> oh ok I though you left thanks for the support and the links this helps me a lot
[02:04]  * vidd was talking world politics in his private channel
[02:04] <Mooc1> oh don't get me started in that subject
[02:06] <JUAN_ANTONIO> Bye, go to sleep
[03:13] <PorkSoda> dude what happen to vidd
[03:15] <PorkSoda> knome did vidd split
[03:15] <PorkSoda> its me mooc1
[03:21] <PorkSoda> knome
[03:22] <PorkSoda> the kernel where did vidd go
[03:23] <anorexic> if anybody will ask why airodump does not capture any packets if I'm not connected to any wireless network with atheros chipset. just tell them to dusable wireless (rmb on the network icon) and then airmon will enable monitor mode correctly
[03:23] <anorexic> god damn 2 days of research for simple shit
[03:23] <anorexic> hate linux :(
[03:24] <Ahmuck> anorexic: yes, it can be trying 4 sure
[03:28] <PorkSoda> knome
[03:40] <ubuntu> im on a live cd and have attached a hard drive with a pata to usb cable, it mounts but i cannot access some files(permissions), i know user name/pass, how would i gain access? i want my firefox bookmarks/etc
[03:51] <helpplz> im on a live cd and have attached a hard drive with a pata to usb cable, it mounts but i cannot access some files(files like .mozzilla), i know the user/pass, how would i gain access? i want my firefox bookmarks/etc
[03:54] <j1mc> helpplz: can you access any files?
[03:55] <helpplz> most, just a couple have x's on them, permission issue i geuss.
[03:55] <j1mc> and you're accessing these via the livecd?
[03:56] <helpplz> ya im on a laptop with livecd
[03:56] <j1mc> what is the mount point of the hard drive that has the files?
[03:57] <helpplz> /dev/sdb
[03:57] <helpplz> its connected via usb
[03:58] <helpplz> err its /media/disk/
[03:58] <helpplz> i wanna transfer those files to another usb hd
[03:58] <dcolish> helpplz: eff'n take root
[03:58] <j1mc> ok.  thanks.  so what is the full path to the files you want?
[03:59] <helpplz> livecd isnt root?
[03:59] <dcolish> you don't know?
[04:00] <helpplz> i thought it was
[04:01] <dcolish> it will say in the prompt from a terminal, can you open a terminal
[04:01] <dcolish> do you have any system besides the live cd to perform the transfer with?
[04:01] <helpplz> nope its geust i geuss i says ubuntu
[04:01] <helpplz> it*
[04:02] <helpplz> ill transfer to another usb pen drive
[04:02] <helpplz> ok nm i did sudo thunar ty
[04:03] <j1mc> from the terminal, can you just type      sudo cp /path/to/original/files /path/to/new/location
[04:04] <dcolish> unless they're directories
[04:07] <dcolish> helpplz: do you have an alt cd?
[04:08] <helpplz> nope xubuntu 8.10 386
[04:09] <dcolish> get one, this task would be trivial in a recovery shell. its single user mode
[04:09] <dcolish> actually, the netboot cd should work too. Its a lighter dl as well
[04:11] <helpplz> i was thinking some extra security was added to ubuntu lol so it wouldnt be so easy to read personal files
[04:11] <dcolish> if you have physical access to a box, all bets are off
[04:12] <helpplz> lvm i guess does that
[04:12] <faryshta> Hi there, has someone tried the beta of XFCE?
[04:12] <dcolish> no encryption would
[04:17] <scribawf> Where do I find minicom?
[04:20] <dcolish> !minicom
[04:20] <faryshta> someone here have tried fuzzy of hooper?
[04:20] <dcolish> ubottu: you suck
[04:20] <dcolish> its in apt
[04:20] <dcolish> scribawf: minicom is in apt
[04:21] <j1mc> faryshta: i haven't really tried them yet, no
[04:22] <j1mc> faryshta: do you have a question about the xfce 4.6 betas?
[04:23] <faryshta> j1mc, yeah, I wanna know if it is safe to upgrade.
[04:23] <j1mc> faryshta: no, it's not safe to upgrade to 4.6 yet
[04:23] <j1mc> and i'm not just saying that to say that - it's really just not ready yet
[04:24] <faryshta> Well I understand the difference among beta and official release. I just want to know if it is stable enough to be used. I know about bug reports and that.
[04:26] <j1mc> faryshta: ok . . . i have only used it briefly in a virtual machine . . .  it had rough edges, and wasn't production ready, but if that's ok w/ you . . . then i suppose you could try.  bug reports would be welcome, i'm sure.
[04:27] <j1mc> i gotta hit the sack.  :)  have a good night all.
[04:27] <faryshta> Well I will wait the dev channel of xubuntu catch the 4.5.92 version (beta 2) and upgrade.
[04:49] <slinkeey> hi
[04:49] <slinkeey> My menu bars dissapeared after applying the updates today...
[04:49] <slinkeey> How can I ge these back
[04:49] <slinkeey> The bars that have the application menu, logout icon, firefox icon by default....
[04:51] <slinkeey_> sorry disconnected
[04:52] <slinkeey_> my top and bottom bar are missing after updating xubuntu
[04:54] <slinkeey_> I should really say panels
[04:55] <faryshta> slinkeey, on terminal go xfce-settings-show
[04:57] <slinkeey> I got it back
[04:57] <slinkeey> I went to uset/bin and clicked on xfsc4-panel
[04:58] <faryshta> great.
[04:58] <slinkeey> wierd
[04:58] <slinkeey> thanks
[04:59] <slinkeey> so far I like xubuntu better then ubuntu....  seams like less going on... Nice and simple
[05:00] <slinkeey> I like stuff simple
[05:00] <slinkeey> Do most users end up installing openoffice or is abiword and etc pretty decent
[05:02] <slinkeey_> sorry I am in here twice I just killed my other session
[05:02] <faryshta> me to.
[05:03] <faryshta> slinkeey_, actually abiword has better support for xlsx and docx files.
[05:09] <|TJ|> is xubuntu built on debian or mandrake?
[05:11] <faryshta> tj debian
[05:17] <faryshta> mandrake has his own flavor with xfce.
[05:32] <The-Kernel> join #tool
[06:49] <kddi> Hi, how can i project my screen to projector? im using acer extensa 4620 laptop
[07:05] <TheSheep> kddi: connect the projector and in terminal type 'xrandr --auto'
[07:13] <Ahmuck> how does one run a python program?
[07:13] <Ahmuck> in xubuntu
[07:13] <Ahmuck> i assume that's what it is, as it ends in .py
[07:17] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: either set the rights to execute it and just click on it, or open terminal and type 'python programname.py'
[07:18] <Ahmuck> ok, it's not working and giving an error so i did do the right thing
[07:18] <Ahmuck> hi TheSheep
[07:18] <TheSheep> what error did it give?
[07:28] <Ahmuck> TheSheep: do u do artrage?
[07:28] <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.com/m266f1ed
[07:29] <TheSheep> Ahmuck: install python-xml
[07:29] <jeffkpayne> anyone having lock up issues with xubuntu 8.10 on a Lenovo T61?
[07:31] <Ahmuck> TheSheep: same error.  i was trying to get gogh to install
[07:31] <Ahmuck> thought i might see if it was similar to artrage
[07:32] <law1> hi
[07:38] <yasvc> how do i set opera to be the system wide preferred browser?
[07:38] <yasvc> update-alternatives --config x-www-browser is already set to opera
[07:39] <yasvc> still the deskbar search applet (for example) opens links in firefox
[07:40] <TheSheep> yasvc: settings->setting manager->preferred applications
[07:41] <yasvc> TheSheep: that's the first place i set opera to default
[07:42] <TheSheep> yasvc: it should work for all xubuntu's default applications
[07:43] <yasvc> i wwonder why it doesn't work for me
[07:44] <yasvc> maybe i should just uninstall FF?
[07:44] <yasvc> i might need it sometimes though
[07:52] <TheSheep> yasvc: wait, isn't deskbar a gnome application?
[07:52] <TheSheep> yasvc: try setting the default browser in gnome settings
[08:04] <yasvc> i can't find any gnome settings, i basically have xubuntu with a few gnome packets but nothing else
[08:07] <TheSheep> you have a .gconf directory?
[08:08] <yasvc> yes
[08:09] <TheSheep> hrm, can't find that setting
[08:10] <yasvc> thunar opens html files in opera..
[08:12] <yasvc> pidgin opens links in firefox
[08:13] <TheSheep> pidgin uses gconf for its config...
[08:14] <yasvc> i have gconftool  but no gconf-editor or such
[08:15] <TheSheep> you can install it, if you think it'd help
[08:18] <yasvc> gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http  gives me command = firefox %s
[08:19] <yasvc> so i think that's what i need to change
[08:21] <yasvc> well now it's set to opera but it still opens FF
[08:21] <yasvc> maybe i need to logout?
[08:21] <TheSheep> no
[08:22] <TheSheep> gconf was built to update config on the fly
[08:25] <yasvc> ok, deskbar uses opera now :)
[08:25] <TheSheep> good news, xfce 4.6 will use yet another config system :)
[08:26] <yasvc> heh
[08:32] <yasvc> pidgin still insists on using FF
[08:37] <dubi> hello
[08:38] <dubi> can anyone tell me pls how i fix this: i have xubuntu 8.10 but before that i used gnome. now whenever i log in i have to run nautilus to mount my other hdb
[08:43] <yasvc> ok i realised pidgin has it's own setting for default browser! gahh
[08:50] <gabkdlly> yasvc: although you probably saw that one of the options is to use the desktop default (which probably should be the default, but perhaps the maintainer has his/her reasons)
[08:51] <gabkdlly> dubi: hi
[08:51] <dubi> gabkdlly hello
[08:52] <gabkdlly> dubi: thunars volume manager SHOULD find attached devices and put a link to them on your desktop.  At least that is the default behavior I am used to.  Although, I just upgraded to intrepid myself, so maybe they have something new in the works
[08:54] <dubi> maybe i should install that 'volume manager'. i started out with ubuntu intrepid install and sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:55] <dubi> then chose xfce as my default de. after that devices do not automagically mount themselves like they used to in gnome
[08:55] <gabkdlly> dubi: check (while logged into an xfce session) Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> File Manager -> Advanced
[08:55] <TheSheep> dubi: go to thunar, preferences, advanced, volume manager
[08:55] <gabkdlly> doh
[08:56] <gabkdlly> ah, different path to the same options menu :)
[08:58] <dubi> so for me to make my other hdds visible i have to run nautilus - hehe yes they are the same
[09:00] <dubi> Enable Volume Management is checked
[09:03] <gabkdlly> dubi: are you sure it is not mounted? check by running df in a terminal
[09:04] <dubi> they are mounted now - because i ran nautilus 4 hours ago. but right after startup they are not automatically mounted
[09:06] <gabkdlly> dubi: I suppose you could add an entry in /etc/fstab, but someone wiser than I might have a better idea
[09:07] <dubi> thats a good idea. but ever since intrepid i could not make sense of etc/fstab - what are those UUIDs? This is the first time I saw those
[09:08] <gabkdlly> wikipedia knows a little about UUID http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID
[09:10] <dubi> thanks gab - i have a last question tho: is it ok for me to use ubuntuguide dapper instructions on intrepid to automatically mount ntfs on boot up?
[09:12] <gabkdlly> dubi: you can find the UUID of your mounted devices in /proc/mounts
[09:12] <dubi> sounds scary
[09:13] <gabkdlly> cat /proc/mounts
[09:14] <gabkdlly> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID
[09:15] <gabkdlly> fstab is pretty standard, so it should be pretty safe to follow those instructions
[09:15] <gabkdlly> you do make backups, righ?
[09:15] <gabkdlly> right?
[09:15] <dubi> well sort of
[09:16] <dubi> i used to run dropbox and it synchronized my home folder on a server
[09:16] <dubi> so basically most of my impt files are in a server somewhere
[09:16] <dubi> i just ahve to remember the password :)
[09:17] <gabkdlly> you should always ask yourself: can I afford to lose everything I have changed since my last backup?
[09:17] <dubi> yes
[09:17] <dubi> no worries :)
[09:18] <gabkdlly> the smart developers will have their reasons for useing UUID in the fstab, so I suggest you try and follow suit
[09:21] <dubi> thanks gabkdlly uve been really nice., i ahve to surrender my internets to my sister
[09:21] <dubi> :)
[09:22] <dubi> bye
[11:30] <mac123> hi
[11:30] <mac123> is it pssible to dd backup the xubuntu partition from inside itself?
[11:34] <defenceminister> I have switched to using fluxbox in xubuntu
[11:35] <defenceminister> but now the network manager application (I think) that was in xfce is not started and is not giving me a static IP
[11:36] <defenceminister> How should I go about having a static ip?
[11:39] <gabkdlly> defenceminister: I believe you can set everything in /etc/network
[11:39] <defenceminister> ok, will do
[11:39] <defenceminister> thanks
[11:41] <mac123> anyone? :(
[11:44] <gabkdlly> mac123: hi
[11:44] <gabkdlly> mac123: it should not be a problem, as long as you put the output on a separate partition
[11:44] <mac123> hi
[11:45] <gabkdlly> although, it sounds like you might have more experience with dd than me ;)
[11:45] <mac123> wont there be some sort of issue with disk activity?
[11:45] <mac123> oh lol
[11:45]  * mac123 has very little experince with dd
[11:45] <gabkdlly> I would not know what to do with a dd created image of my hard drive.  I have used tar for my backups so far.  I don't really care about anything that is not in my home directory
[11:46] <mac123> i have an encrypted install so an exact backup of the partition is handy cause if any data changes then i cant mount it
[11:47] <gabkdlly> I am pretty sure that dd will NOT constantly check to see if something has been written to disk, it just does as it is told and copies everything the device has to offer, taking pieces of data as they are on the disk at the time that it passes them.
[11:48] <mac123> what if a write is occuring as it passes?
[11:49] <gabkdlly> mac123: that is pretty low level, something the kernel developers and dd programmers should worry about, not the end user.  Although, I would suggest you save and close all important documents before issuing dd
[11:50] <gabkdlly> I have no clue how you would resurrect the data saved thusly
[11:50] <mac123> livecd
[11:50] <gabkdlly> oh, that is a good idea
[11:50] <gabkdlly> then you should not have any worries
[11:51] <gabkdlly> you can just leave it unmounted and then there will be no data change on the fly
[11:51] <mac123> yeah
[11:51] <mac123> using dcfldd to make the backup that way there on the fly md5
[11:51] <gabkdlly> what file format are you outputting to?
[11:51] <mac123> no format just another exact sized partition
[11:52] <mac123> guess imma hav to brave tryin this hehe
[11:53] <gabkdlly> would it not be easier set up a RAID, and have it synced for you automatically
[11:53]  * gabkdlly has no experience setting up a RAID
[11:54] <mac123> yeah i dont know how
[11:55] <mac123> but i like to manually backup
[11:55] <mac123> setup something that works and backup
[11:55] <gabkdlly> gotcha
[11:55] <mac123> that way if i mess up the backup didnt get overwritten hehe
[11:56] <gabkdlly> true, true
[11:56] <gabkdlly> sbackup promises a lot, you might look into it
[11:56] <gabkdlly> I have not used it though
[11:57] <gabkdlly> like I said, I use tar
[12:01] <gabkdlly> defenceminister: this might be helpful http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
[12:02] <mac123> thx
[12:37] <tomahowk_> hi guys
[12:37] <knome> 'lo
[12:38] <tomahowk_> ive got a problem sharing files from xubuntu to windows vista
[12:38] <tomahowk_> and i am a totally noob at xubuntu.... so you know :P
[12:38] <knome> !samve
[12:38] <knome> !samba
[12:39] <tomahowk_> some guys said i should use Nautilus
[12:39] <knome> that's one option.
[12:39] <tomahowk_> oh...
[12:40] <knome> but it's not the best IMHO
[12:40] <knome> when using xubuntu, because nautilus is quite heavy
[12:40] <tomahowk_> you see, i can see my linux pc under "network" @ the vista pc, but when i click on it, i only see Printers, not a map
[12:40] <tomahowk_> oh okay
[12:40] <knome> see those links ^
[12:40] <tomahowk_> okay...
[12:41] <tomahowk_> ill go have a look, when i dont get it, ill get back here (english is not my native language)
[12:41] <knome> what is?
[12:41] <tomahowk_> Dutch
[12:41] <knome> ah ok
[12:44] <tomahowk_> got my first problem already
[12:44] <tomahowk_> if i copy this:
[12:44] <tomahowk_> /servername/sharename  /media/mountname  cifs  guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode  0  0
[12:44] <tomahowk_> it says its no directory
[12:45] <knome> did you change the paths? (/servername/sharename and /media/mountname) ?
[12:45] <tomahowk_> uhm... no :3
[12:45] <tomahowk_> to what should i change them?
[12:45] <knome> the first one is obvious, isn't it?
[12:46] <knome> /yourwindowsmachine/sharedfolder
[12:46] <knome> and then any path which exists
[12:46] <tomahowk_> but, i dont want to see a folder on my windows machine, i want the opposite
[12:55] <tomahowk_> can't seem to get it working
[12:57] <knome> uh
[12:57] <knome> i have to go
[12:57] <knome> hope someone else will be able to help you
[12:57] <knome> bye ->
[12:59] <sinbox> hello there, panels not showing when I boot up today :/
[13:03] <sinbox> k sorted that
[13:03] <sinbox> weird though
[13:24] <Mooch> knome do you know what happened to vidd yesterday
[13:27] <sinbox> he went to reboot and never reappeared as far as I remember
[13:28] <Mooch> ah ok my comp disconnected and tried to comeback and it look like he split
[13:29]  * mac321 put a bomb in his pc -.@
[13:29] <Mooch> put a bomb in his pc ?
[13:30] <mac321> you know reboot kaboooom
[13:30] <mac321> he wont be back
[13:30] <Mooch> yep dust
[14:01] <jals> what do i need to install to get wmv files to play in firefox?
[14:02] <vidd> interesting question....i was wondering the same thing
[14:05] <ablomen> i think mozilla-mplayer plays wmv's
[14:05] <ablomen> you could also look at the totem, vlc etc plugins
[14:07] <vidd> perhaps the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly would do it for you
[14:07] <sinbox> I think restricted drivers are in the medibuntu repo or something, I tend to avoid wmv files
[15:05] <DukeNukem> Enter text here...vidd its me mooch
[15:05] <vidd> hello
[15:06] <vidd> how'd the upgrade go?
[15:06] <vidd> crash and burn?
[15:07] <vidd> or is it still going (like that energizer bunny)?
[15:08] <DukeNukem> I haven't done the upgrades yet because I wanted to ask you something
[15:08] <vidd> ok...ask away
[15:09] <DukeNukem> well do I need to apply the updates to do the upgrade
[15:10] <vidd> DukeNukem, yes.....the supported method (less likely to nuke your box) is to completely update your system b4 your upgrade
[15:11] <vidd> however...if you do NOT do the updates first, and go right to the upgrade, you should be fine....
[15:11] <DukeNukem> ok so I still gotta download the 329 updates ?
[15:11] <DukeNukem> ah ok
[15:11] <vidd> just might need toi do the upgrade recovery
[15:12] <vidd> DukeNukem, guestion for ya....
[15:13] <DukeNukem> ok you said something about downloading 8.04 direct without torrents would that take almost as long as torrents
[15:13] <vidd> if your friend has broadband....why not take your system there and borrow his bandwith?
[15:13] <DukeNukem> ok go
[15:13] <DukeNukem> no nic
[15:14] <vidd> DukeNukem, downloading the iso directly would take much less time then getting it via torrents
[15:14] <DukeNukem> then I will go ahead and leave running tonight
[15:14] <vidd> (nic cards are like 10$ these days =\
[15:15]  * vidd has seen used ones for a dollar
[15:15] <sinbox> torrents usually come down pretty fast (if you have broadband)
[15:15] <DukeNukem> not the expense that concernes me but the configuration
[15:15] <vidd> sinbox, no-one is seeding
[15:15] <sinbox> no one?
[15:15] <vidd> DukeNukem, the kernel will auto-detect the nic
[15:16] <vidd> sinbox, thats what they said
[15:16] <DukeNukem> oh really even if my mobo is super ancient?
[15:16] <vidd> yes
[15:16] <sinbox> 55 seds for xubuntu 8.04
[15:16] <sinbox> seeds*
[15:17] <DukeNukem> ok well I may consider that then
[15:17] <vidd> its not your mobo that needs to detect the nic, but the kernel
[15:17] <vidd> you have an open pci slot?
[15:17] <DukeNukem> yeah
[15:18] <DukeNukem> I got like two
[15:18] <vidd> then get you any nic off the shelf, plug it in
[15:18] <DukeNukem> I may need to get another modem mine seems to disconnect at around 7pm
[15:19] <vidd> the most you might have to do is add 2 lines to your /etc/networking/interfaces file
[15:19] <DukeNukem> what do u mean
[15:20] <vidd> DukeNukem, the kernel will auto-detect the nic, and the proper driver will loaded.
[15:20] <vidd> but the network interfaces file tells the system how to connect to the internet
[15:20] <DukeNukem> ah ok
[15:20] <vidd> that may or may not need to be adjusted
[15:20] <vidd> it is normally writen during install
[15:21] <vidd> you are using dapper.....
[15:21] <DukeNukem> so I really don't need to install any software
[15:21] <DukeNukem> yes
[15:21] <vidd> no...just edit one file
[15:22] <vidd> i dont recall if dapper auto-edited the interfaces when new hardware was added
[15:22] <vidd> 8.10 does, but i dont know about 6.06
[15:23] <DukeNukem> I was looking at the nic cards the other day and just wasn't sure if my mobo would detect it
[15:23] <vidd> DukeNukem, if you have a pci slot, then your golden
[15:24] <DukeNukem> oh yeah two
[15:24] <vidd> the mobo only has to say "hey...somethings there" in order for the kernel to say"hey...nic card....get to work"
[15:24] <vidd> =]
[15:24] <DukeNukem> my mobo is like the dino of mobos
[15:25] <DukeNukem> 1999
[15:25] <DukeNukem> compaq presario that had windows 98
[15:25] <vidd> i have a system from the win3.1 days that runs like a (crippled) champ
[15:25] <DukeNukem> with the original amd athlon
[15:26] <vidd> maxed out the ram at 64mb
[15:26] <DukeNukem> mine maxes at 512mb
[15:26] <openstep> hi
[15:27] <openstep> any devs here?
[15:27] <DukeNukem> my windows pc maxes at 2gb or one
[15:27] <vidd> openstep, they are at the -devel chanel.....
[15:27] <vidd> what ya need?
[15:28] <vidd> openstep, what do you need?
[15:28] <DukeNukem> vidd what happened to you yesterday did your pc die of horrible death?
[15:28] <vidd> DukeNukem, when? @ 10pm EST?
[15:29] <vidd> dcolish, why not just /nick?
[15:29] <openstep> hi, I am in an urgent need to setup xfce in a away....
[15:29] <DukeNukem> yeah when I joined with you at the viddandme channel
[15:29] <openstep> that I setup one user and apply all settings to a bunch of others users
[15:29] <vidd> DukeNukem, i had to rack out...bed-time....
[15:30] <DukeNukem> ah ok
[15:30] <dcolish> vidd: cuz that was another client running at home, now i'm at work
[15:30] <openstep> I am making an ltsp setup
[15:30] <DukeNukem> did you check out that website I told you about
[15:30] <openstep> in a school, where I do not want students to mess with settings
[15:30] <openstep> any ideas?
[15:31] <vidd> one moment please....
[15:36] <vidd> openstep, did you even look https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP#Linux%20Multi-User%20Server%20Configurations?
[15:36] <DukeNukem> vidd I may download xubuntu 8.04 at home or buy a nic then take it to my friends
[15:36] <TheSheep> openstep: also google for 'xfce kiosk'
[15:37] <vidd> openstep, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LockdownHomeDirs tells you EXACTLY what you want to do (lock down the /home directory so the user can't change it)
[15:37] <vidd> openstep, this is BASIC stuff
[15:38] <DukeNukem> he is probably a newbie like me
[15:38] <vidd> DukeNukem, you know how to use google....right?
[15:39] <DukeNukem> oh yeah
[15:39] <DukeNukem> ur right basic
[15:39] <vidd> i found the pages listed after entering "lstp xubuntu howto " in google
[15:40] <DukeNukem> imagine that
[15:40] <vidd> first link (after the ads) was the gateway i needed
[15:40] <DukeNukem> not like modem though what a nightmare
[15:40] <DukeNukem> *my
[15:40] <vidd> hehe
[15:40] <vidd> modems are NOT basic
[15:41] <vidd> 95% of them are WINModems
[15:41] <openstep> I found kiosk mode and that is good
[15:41] <DukeNukem> the install was perfect but modem config its like rocket science
[15:41] <openstep> altohugh not enough
[15:42] <vidd> openstep, did you look at the second link i posted?
[15:42] <openstep> I would like to lock down the xfce config area
[15:42] <openstep> just a sec
[15:42] <DukeNukem> brb
[15:43] <vidd> openstep, the most important set is the editing of the "adduser.conf"
[15:44] <vidd> that is the template for all new user creations
[15:45] <openstep> you guys misunderstand me
[15:45] <openstep> I am talking about restricting xfce interface
[15:45] <vidd> like what?
[15:46] <vidd> please....explain to me
[15:46] <openstep> making a unified desktop, panel (already solved) and so on
[15:46] <vidd> yeah
[15:47] <vidd> all of which is auto-set by the adduser.conf file
[15:47] <openstep> for example deisable right click on desktop would be nice
[15:48] <openstep> aha, so i should look at the adduser.conf in your opinion
[15:48] <vidd> you set the adduser.conf file to add "./config" and all your custom settings that are in there, from the storage location you specify
[15:48] <TheSheep> openstep: you can make the right click show the application menu
[15:48] <openstep> hm, I will look into it
[15:48] <vidd> by default, adduser does not create a ./config file. it is created the first time a user logs in....
[15:49] <TheSheep> modifying the desktop can be disabled by simply removig write access to the directory, I think
[15:49] <vidd> by having your adduser.conf file write this directory, when the user logs in for the first time, the system uses the existing file, and does not create on
[15:49] <openstep> I will try it
[15:50] <openstep> be back soon
[15:50] <openstep> thx
[15:50] <DukeNukem> I read u can download xubuntu on a psp
[15:51] <vidd> DukeNukem, if its got a boot system and storage capacity, you can intall linux on it =]
[15:51] <TheSheep> but it's not an officilly supported platform
[15:52] <vidd> *writeable/flashable boot system*
[15:52] <DukeNukem> I think you can the memory these days is getting bigger I can't keep up look at the Iphone
[15:53] <vidd> btw openstep your question is NOT a devel question in any way, shape or form
[15:53] <DukeNukem> I think he split
[15:54] <DukeNukem> vidd where do you live if you don't mind me asking
[16:00] <DukeNukem> vidd u still here
[16:07] <DukeNukem> vidd are you on the politics channel
[16:09] <DukeNukem> vidd must have left confused
[16:11] <openstep> back
[16:11] <vidd> DukeNukem, im back
[16:12] <DukeNukem> ah ok figured something happened
[16:12]  * vidd is at work
[16:12] <DukeNukem> not me I'm off today :)
[16:18] <natham> hi, whats is the minimun ram requirement for xubuntu?
[16:19] <DukeNukem> *gonna go make me something to eat be back later*
[16:21] <natham> anyone please?
[16:26] <pleia2> natham: see http://xubuntu.org/get
[16:26] <pleia2> scroll down a little
[16:26] <vidd> natham, according to http://xubuntu.org/get 64 MB is required with the alt-install cd
[16:29] <vidd> 192MB is listed as the minimum to run after install....but 256MB is recommended
[16:55] <wesolek> hello, can anybody help? I can't connect to my machine from anywhere using ssh
[16:56] <wesolek> I know I don't have some sort of xserver host installed, just don't know what it is exactly
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: do you have a ssh server on the host machine?
[16:57] <wesolek> odd-rationale, I think this may be the problem
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: ok... have you read the wiki page yet?
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> !ssh
[16:57] <wesolek> I've just installed my kubuntu, so I don't know if it's there by dafault
[16:57] <Odd-rationale>  wesolek
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: no the server is not installed by default... for security reasons...
[16:58] <wesolek> odd-rationale, nope. was trying to find on google, poor result
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: yeah, well, the first link there is pretty good.... and should be enough to get you going...
[16:59] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: are you planning on doing xforwarding and stuff? or just the shell?
[16:59] <wesolek> great, thanks! until today I had suse, and it was working fine
[16:59] <vidd> wesolek, simply installing openssh-server is sufficient anymore
[16:59] <wesolek> I think xforwarding stuff, odd-rationale
[16:59] <wesolek> thanks vidd :)
[17:00] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: then i would advise using nxserver...
[17:00] <vidd> ssh -X [username]@[hostname] works out-of-the-box
[17:00] <wesolek> that's what I was using :)
[17:00] <vidd> wesolek, but you need the server installed on the machine you are trying to remote into first
[17:01] <wesolek> odd-rationale, I'm not that good in all this linux world, so it'll be better for me to stick with something that I know :)
[17:01] <wesolek> vidd, I know, that's what I wanted to find out (the exact name of that server)
[17:01] <wesolek> thanks guys :)
[17:02] <vidd> wb openstep
[17:03] <openstep> hi
[17:05] <vidd> openstep, is your ltsp going ok now?
[17:11] <openstep> well, now I am not able to test it
[17:11] <wesolek> ok, ssh to my machine works fine now :) thanks guys. I still have a problem, though, with forwarding windows from another linux/unix machine to my screen. so when I ssh -XC it works fine, but when I try to open a window it says: Cannot open connection to window server: :0 (Server package)
[17:11] <openstep> I have to wait until tomorrow morning
[17:11] <openstep> but thanks for asking
[17:12] <openstep> what I most need is a way to prevent the user access the xfce config menu
[17:12] <openstep> and apply it to all users
[17:12] <openstep> and so that the useres will get their preferences from a central place
[17:14] <Odd-rationale> wesolek: are you trying to attach an already running window to your ssh session?
[17:15] <wesolek> no, just trying to open a new one on that machine, but so the window actually pops up on my screen
[17:15] <openstep> vidd: any ideas?
[17:16] <wesolek> when I had suse, everything was fine, but I can't remember whether it was fixed or worked from the beginning
[17:27] <vidd> openstep, yes....you follow the instructions on that page i posted b4....
[17:27] <vidd> you set the ./config folder so that only the admin group has write permissions
[17:28] <vidd> chmod -Rf 770 /home/[user]/.config
[17:29] <openstep> aha, that is half solution but will try it
[17:30] <openstep> thx
[17:30] <vidd> openstep, it might be 700
[17:32] <vidd> openstep, belay that....
[17:32] <vidd> you want the permissions to be read only for the ./config folder
[17:33] <vidd> you want the entire /home to be 770
[17:33] <openstep> I would like to make one configuration and then all users to read that
[17:34] <vidd> openstep, then you do not want linux
[17:34] <openstep> so anytime I make a change I do not have to do it for all users
[17:34] <vidd> another option is to make the ./config folder a symbolic link....
[17:35] <vidd> that MAY do what you want
[17:35] <openstep> aha, good idea
[17:36] <TheSheep> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html <-- this might help...
[17:36] <TheSheep> the default global location of .config is /etc/xdg/
[17:38] <dcolish> wesolek: try ssh -Y
[17:40] <wesolek> wow, it worked
[17:40] <vidd> wesolek, are you trying to access the remote machine from a linux machine or a windows machine?
[17:40] <wesolek> why's that?
[17:41] <vidd> nvmd then
[17:41] <wesolek> from kubuntu to linux/unix
[17:43] <vidd> wesolek, in reference to the -Y fixing your issue.......http://www.oak.homeunix.org/lists/cslug-l/msg02555.html
[17:43] <wesolek> thanks :)
[17:43] <wesolek> it works fine now :)
[17:44] <openstep> thanks all
[17:44] <openstep> see you
[17:44] <vidd> edit your server's ssh_config ForwardX11Trusted = Yes
[17:44] <vidd> then the -Y will no longer be needed
[17:44] <vidd> (in theory)
[17:45] <wesolek> now X is working fine :)
[17:45] <wesolek> but I found another problem
[17:45] <wesolek> it won't update
[17:45] <wesolek> I mean kubuntu won't update
[17:45] <vidd> what do you mean "wont update"?
[17:46] <wesolek> it gets the list of 62 updates but then it fails to connect to get them
[17:46] <vidd> on the local machine or the remote machine?
[17:46] <wesolek> local
[17:47] <vidd> broadband connection? wired or wireless?
[17:47] <wesolek> wired, behind a proxy
[17:47] <vidd> yeah....
[17:47] <wesolek> I thought I changed the proxy settings
[17:47] <vidd> your proxy is messing you up
[17:48] <vidd> the updates show not because its connecting and seeing new updates....
[17:48] <vidd> it found those updates b4 the proxy
[17:48] <wesolek> it seems to update the list fine
[17:49] <wesolek> I mean the bars are running fine, but then when I want to apply, it won't connect
[17:49] <vidd> if you clear your apt-cache, that will fail too
[17:49] <vidd> bars?
[17:49] <wesolek> progress bars
[17:49] <wesolek> lol
[17:49] <vidd> what are you using to check for updates?
[17:50] <wesolek> adept
[17:50] <wesolek> this icon popped out on it's own
[17:50] <vidd> ok....i know nothing of how that app works.....
[17:50] <vidd> but from the command prompt, run "sudo apt-get update"
[17:50] <wesolek> can it be done from the terminal though?
[17:51] <wesolek> yeah I did
[17:51] <wesolek> and it runs fine
[17:51] <vidd> success?
[17:51] <vidd> ok...not do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:51] <vidd> *now
[17:52] <wesolek> it's working now :)
[17:52] <vidd> it would appear that adept is enept at connecting
[17:52] <vidd> your proxy is most likely blocking that specific app
[17:53] <wesolek> I don't understand why
[17:53] <wesolek> most computers on the uni are linux-based
[17:53] <vidd> its possible that adept uses a different port?
[17:53] <wesolek> no clue
[17:53] <cody-somerville> no
[17:53] <wesolek> I've just installed my kubuntu
[17:54] <vidd> cody-somerville, any idea why adept would fail and apt-get would work?
[17:54] <cody-somerville> no
[17:54] <wesolek> I did export http_proxy="....."
[17:55] <wesolek> that how I got to work apt-get
[17:55] <vidd> wesolek, was adept installed b4 or after the proxy?
[17:55] <wesolek> adept first, as it came with the installation
[17:55] <vidd> wesolek, that may also fix up adept
[17:55] <wesolek> then I exported proxy settings
[17:56] <wesolek> no, it didn't fix the adept
[17:56]  * vidd does not know....
[17:56] <wesolek> lol
[17:56]  * vidd doesnt use proxies
[17:56] <wesolek> I don't either (at home)
[17:56] <wesolek> here unfortunately...
[17:56] <wesolek> not up to me
[17:57] <vidd> wesolek, see if this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83401.html
[17:59] <vidd> wesolek, look at post January 18th, 2007, 05:48 AM
[18:00] <wesolek> yeah, just in case I also did ftp_proxy
[18:00] <wesolek> just waiting for the updates to finish and I will run adept again to check
[18:01] <vidd> wesolek, you will want to get a package to install
[18:01] <wesolek> brb reboot required
[18:01] <wesolek> I have one that I can test it on
[18:01] <wesolek> brb
[18:05] <vidd> wb
[18:06] <wesolek> :) ta
[18:06] <wesolek> it won't even fetch the current package list
[18:06] <vidd> all well and good?
[18:06] <wesolek> all except adept
[18:06] <vidd> did you follow the instructions?
[18:07] <wesolek> I think I did
[18:11] <wesolek> is apt.conf = apt.conf.d ???
[18:12] <vidd> erm....dunno
[18:13] <wesolek> they refer to that file in the instructions but I don't have that file
[18:13] <wesolek> just the one with .d
[20:17] <hraban> Hi, I am running xubuntu 8.10 on a small eee-pc-like laptop. I installed it on a USB key (hdd is broken) but yesterday I pulled it out by accident before the shutdown-sequence was completed
[20:17] <hraban> today, for the first time ever, apt-get install segfaults :/
[20:19] <hraban> also, when I logged in to  xfce, it gave me a warning about the configuration file of the power manager being corrupted (I do not exactly recall what the error message was)
[20:20] <hraban> aside from that, everything seems fine for now... what is the recommended way to check if the (file) system is OK?
[20:36] <dcolish> hraban: e2fsck
[20:42] <anubis> Anyone ever DJ with Linux?
[20:46] <djbushdio> no, but i hear bpmdj is good
[20:48] <hraban> dcolish, ah, poo, it's the root filesystem. can I somehow tell it to load some necessary tools into RAM at the next boot, unmount, and start checking?
[20:48] <djbushdio> http://bpmdj.yellowcouch.org/index.html
[20:48] <hraban> (thanks for the suggestion by the way)
[20:49] <dcolish> hraban: you'll need a recovery disk
[20:50] <hraban> dcolish, ok, I'll put it in the laptop of a friend of mine and check it there
[20:51] <hraban> (I don't have an extra USB key available that's why... :P)
[20:51] <hraban> thanks!
[21:11] <hraban> Hmm, I ran the checks but it did not change anything.
[21:12] <hraban> it did find and fix some problems with the disk, but apt-get is still segfaulting.. should I try to reinstall it, perhaps?
[21:15] <vidd> hraban, does this system have the /home on a seperate partition?
[21:15] <hraban> yes
[21:15] <hraban> on a SD card
[21:15] <vidd> if apt-get is segfaulting, you have some serious issues
[21:15] <hraban> ok.. so where do I start? :P
[21:16] <vidd> well....i want to clarify.....
[21:16] <vidd> from what i've seen, you have a dead hard drive, and you installed xubuntu on a usb key
[21:17] <vidd> right?
[21:17] <hraban> yes
[21:17] <hraban> it worked beautifully, until I pulled out the USB key during shut down
[21:18] <vidd> ok...when you installed xubuntu on that usb key, you set up one partition for / and an other partition for /home?
[21:18] <hraban> I probably should not have done that.. :)
[21:18] <hraban> ehmmm no, because the installer did not detect the SD card
[21:18] <vidd> (this is not the standard install method)
[21:18] <hraban> I edited fstab manually later
[21:19] <vidd> o...k....
[21:19] <hraban> why?
[21:19] <vidd> well....if you are dealing with a fragged system, it is sometimes easier to install clean'
[21:19] <hraban> it was not fragged when I was installing xubuntu
[21:20] <hraban> besides, the seperate /home partition has been working fine for almost a week now...
[21:20] <hraban> the hard drive itself is dead but that is disabled in the BIOS
[21:20] <hraban> as far as xubuntu (or any other OS, for that manner) knows, it does not even exist.
[21:20] <vidd> if you are installing "clean" and your /home is on a seperate partition, you set the /partition to format and the /home to say as is, and your (pretty much) set
[21:21] <hraban> I don't understand what you mean
[21:21] <vidd> hraban, your /partition is fragged
[21:21] <hraban> right I understand what you mean now
[21:22] <hraban> but no need to worry about the contents of /home, there is nothing of value here
[21:22] <vidd> you might spend hours or days finding and fixing the tiny pieces of proken apps before its up at 100%....
[21:22] <hraban> well, I thought it would be an educating task :)
[21:22] <vidd> or, you format and install clean all the apps in an hour or less
[21:22] <hraban> but if it is as hard as you say it is...
[21:23] <vidd> hraban, it might JUST be apt-get
[21:23] <hraban> vidd, true, true
[21:23] <vidd> (you know....the key app for fixing broken programs)
[21:23] <hraban> actually, not even true, because I already know pretty much for sure more of the system is fubar
[21:24] <vidd> hraban, so....an hour of cure? or 3 days of diagnostics, testing and (maybe) cure?
[21:24] <hraban> because all of a sudden the battery monitor, too, does not work anymore
[21:24] <vidd> =]\
[21:24] <hraban> heheh, when you put it like that... ;)
[21:25] <hraban> alright, bbiab I guess :P
[21:25] <hraban> thanks
[21:25] <hraban> bye.
[21:30] <deus_> Ok, this is fucked upo, i usually fix the "apic error on cpu1" error by disabling apic in the bootloader
[21:30] <deus_> but now in intrepid i get thrown into busybox and cant boot properly
[21:30] <deus_> why cant i boot without apic
[21:30] <deus_> ?
[21:37] <vidd> deus_, did you install using the alt-cd with the "apic=off" setting?
[21:37] <vidd> or was this an upgrade?
[21:38] <deus_> installed trough the alt-cd but i did not use the apic=off settings
[21:39] <vidd> deus_, can you get into the grub menu to edit the start command?
[21:39] <deus_> setting to noapic
[21:39] <deus_> i did that
[21:40] <deus_> i get thrown into busybox, i cant boot
[21:40] <vidd> try apic=off
[21:40] <deus_> no
[21:42] <deus_> will try it next time i crash
[21:42] <vidd> deus_, do you have more then one kernel choice?
[21:45] <deus_> no
[22:53] <likemindead> Hello, all.
[22:54] <likemindead> :-\
[22:54] <knome> likemindead, .
[22:55] <likemindead> I'm embarassed to say, this is the first time I've ever used IRC.
[22:55] <knome> it's ok. we all have to start somewhere
[22:56] <likemindead> True.
[22:56] <likemindead> I've been slowly converting members of my LUG to Xfce. ;)
[22:56] <knome> sounds good.
[23:32] <rshakin> 'hehe i use irc from my cara :)
[23:33] <knome> don't drink and irc
[23:35] <knome> eh i mean
[23:35] <knome> drive and irc :P
[23:47] <rshakin> hehe i am not driving yet
[23:48] <rshakin> we actually use it to communicate between trucks
[23:48] <knome> zomg
[23:48] <rshakin> runing zubuntu on my laptop in the truck too using verizon wireless to acess the internet
[23:48] <rshakin> pretty nice set up
[23:50] <knome> zubuntu?
[23:50] <rshakin> xubuntu
[23:50] <knome> ;)
[23:52] <rshakin> it's pretty cool i acgtually love ti
[23:52] <knome> good to hear.
[23:52] <rshakin> i am surprised how this is worked out of he box
[23:53] <rshakin> did not get any errors or nothing
[23:53] <knome> great to hear also
[23:55] <rshakin> now i just need to get some more progs on it to keep me entartained
[23:55] <knome> do you need assistance?
[23:56] <rshakin> naah i just havent found good games
[23:57] <knome> torcs, wesnoth?


[05:07] <gymsmoke> wow! i wasn't sure this channel existed...
[05:07] <gymsmoke> i just struggled for the last two days setting up my server (5.10)
[05:08] <gymsmoke> got nameservers, mail, ftp, mysql, apache all working (mostly)...
[05:08] <gymsmoke> can someone tell me why this doesn't work?  insmod ip_conntrack_ftp (gives "no such file or directory")
[05:10] <gymsmoke> hello.... ?
[05:21] <gymsmoke> man, this is some kind of lively discussion - is everyone here a virtual user???
[06:36] <neuralis> gymsmoke: modprobe, not insmod.
[09:03] <gymsmoke> neuralis: thanks... i found it
[09:47] <gymsmoke> night, all
[12:38] <blixtra> After switching between php4 and php5 I'm no longer able to view php files. Just get a download dialog.
[12:41] <blixtra> i get this additional line when restarting apache2: "grep: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf: No such file or directory"
[12:56] <blixtra> it seems as if I just need make a link from the mods-available folder
[12:57] <blixtra> problem is that I now no longer have a php module in mods-available
[12:58] <blixtra> In order to start from scratch I installed appche and the php modules and then deleted everything from the /etc/apache2 folder
[12:58] <blixtra> I meant uninstalled apach2 and php
[01:00] <blixtra> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure alog with different combinations of remove and remove-complete in synaptic
[01:36] <infinity> blixtra: What's the output of "dpkg -l \*php\* | grep ^i" ?
[01:37] <infinity> blixtra: Long story short, if you have no PHP stuff in /etc/apache2/mods-available, then you don't have libapache2-mod-php5 installed.
[01:38] <blixtra> one sec
[01:38] <infinity> As for the error in the "start" action of the init script, I know about it, I'll fix it before release.
[01:39] <infinity> It's cosmetic, it won't affect functionality, so you can safely ignore it.
[01:39] <blixtra> your right :) ..as I'm sure you knew
[01:39] <blixtra> no more error now
[01:40] <blixtra> thanks
[01:51] <blixtra> Actually, I'm getting the problem again. I just uninstalled php5 (which was working) and installed php4 (also libapache2-mod-php4).
[01:53] <blixtra> I get no php4.conf in /etc/apache2/mods-available
[01:54] <infinity> I suspect that's also your fault.
[01:55] <infinity> You removed (but didn't purge) libapache2-mod-php4.  That means that the conffiles were left behind.  Then you did an "rm -rf /etc/apache2"... When you reinstalled libapache2-mod-php4, dpkg said "oh, it was never purged, so the conffiles don't need to be installed... Hey look, he deleted his conffiles, that's a totally valid user change, we'll not touch that"
[01:55] <infinity> So, if you "dpkg --purge libapache2-mod-php4" and then reinstall it, you'll get the conffiles back.
[01:55] <infinity> Or don't delete the conffiles from a package that is "removed" but not "purged". :)
[01:55] <blixtra> will try
[01:58] <blixtra> ok that fixed and thanks for the tips
[01:59] <blixtra> I had thought it was something along those lines
[01:59] <blixtra> thanks so much
[02:19] <xerophyte> how does the pam.d get started
[02:19] <xerophyte> just wondering if we place a file in /etc/pam.d do i have to restart it .. if so  how ??
[02:20] <infinity> pam isn't a daemon, it's a set of libraries.
[02:20] <infinity> Every time a process authenticates against pam, libpam re-reads the config files in /etc/pamd.
[02:20] <infinity> pam.d too.
[02:23] <xerophyte> this
[03:00] <xerophyte> infinity, have setup postfix with smtp auth pam mysql sasl .. i am trying to understand
[03:00] <xerophyte> could not put it gothers
[03:01] <xerophyte> if i understood correctly postfix read the sasl library then read the pam library and authedicate am  i right ..
[03:01] <xerophyte> is there any daemon involved her just wondering other postfix
[03:02] <infinity> No, juts postfix.
[03:02] <infinity> The rest are just libraries.
[03:08] <xerophyte> so postfix load those code authendicate with mysql am i right
[03:09] <infinity> -EPARSE
[10:41] <Otherland> hi..I've got some problems with ubuntu 5.10 and NIS... I'vet setup a NIS server (master) and one client, but it doesn't seem that I can logon from the client to the server (regular user login). Do I need to enalbe 'NIS authentication' or something similiar ?
[10:42] <Otherland> ..on the client I mean


[08:20] <viki22> hi I am new to ubuntustudio.could anyone help me on multibooting .I have already installed windows 7,Ubunut 14.04 but now I also want to install ubuntustudio 14.04 LTS release(Tahyr trust) .I have read the known issues of installlng ubuntu studio 14.04 which mentions that in some computer it might delete all other OSs.is it true?if not can anybody guide me how to install ubunut studio with multiboot capabilities
[08:31] <viki22> hello can anybody guide how to install ubuntu studio 14.04 with other two OSs pre-installed(ubuntu 14.04,windows 7)
[13:54] <br0nson> Hi I just installed 14.04.1 from dvd but I'm unable to connect with my RTL8168
[13:54] <br0nson> maybe networkmanager isn't configured properly?
[13:56] <br0nson> I didn't see you were pushing so many updates
[14:57] <holstein> br0nson: you were pushing so many updates?
[14:58] <holstein> br0nson: ubuntustudio is an official flavor of ubuntu, so, we get the same updates that mainstream ubuntu gets.. all patches, etc
[14:58] <holstein> !wifi
[14:58] <holstein> ^ feel free and troubleshoot just like you are using ubuntu or xubuntu, and try those channels if its slow here
[14:58] <br0nson> 8168 is Ethernet
[14:59] <holstein> cool.. same deal, then
[14:59] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1022411 ,the later posts, will be relevant
[14:59] <holstein> https://unixblogger.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/the-pain-of-an-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-ethernet-card/ for example


[00:24] <amurray> doko:
[00:24] <amurray> doko: thanks for the heads up on those bugs but they don't look related to the hardening changes, plus looks like sforshee is on top of it :)
[02:00] <Unit193> bryce: Re: ruby2.5/openssl bug.  This is my nick on IRC if you want to poke here as well.
[02:37] <bryce> Unit193, oh heya :-)
[02:37] <bryce> Unit193, I was just doing a triaging pass through yesterday's bug activity, but feel free to ping me on that bug.
[02:38] <bryce> I'm at EOD now, but will check back tomorrow
[07:51] <doko> sforshee: so the powerpc cross succeeds, with linux-libc-dev-powerpc-cross built from the 5.2 sources. I'm not that that keen to further investigate, as we only need the powerpc cross compiler to build some firmware for ppc64el
[07:52] <doko> sforshee: so once gcc-8-cross and gcc-9-cross migrate, you should have cross compilers again, matching the native compilers
[07:52] <doko> and the alpha fix was the only thing needed
[09:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: (and other SRU folks) thanks for having a discussion on the 1829823 case
[09:07] <Unit193> (LP 1829823)
[09:07] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I know it is not a common case, but if at the end of this we can come up with a clear guideline how to handle those that will benefit all of us
[10:41] <doko> sforshee: all cross compilers now in the release pocket
[11:28] <seb128> paride, hey, I just got an email about the eoan/desktop iso job failing with that error
[11:29] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/libvirt.py", line 1035, in create
[11:29] <seb128>     if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainCreate() failed', dom=self)
[11:29] <seb128> libvirtError: unsupported configuration: append not supported in this QEMU binary
[11:29] <seb128> paride, is that a known issue on the utah side?
[11:30] <paride> seb128, I just updated utah on venonat, in part because it was due time, in part to allow mwhudson's last changes to land
[11:30] <cpaelzer> not sure what it is worth, but qemu-system-* in eoan still has the -append parameter
[11:30] <paride> seb128, I knew it would probably explode, and it did :(
[11:31] <paride> seb128, trying to fix it now, anyway I backed up the old packages, so if it turns out more complex than expected I should be able to downgrade it again
[11:43] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I added to the agenda of our next meeting. We have been talking about staging SRUs that we don't think are worth the cost of landing, so this can add to that discussion.
[11:58] <paride> cpaelzer, seb128, I think I found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/utah/+bug/1548499
[12:09]  * paride fingers crossed
[12:11] <seb128> paride, thx for looking at it!
[12:29] <paride> seb128, seems to be working again. if you notice anything unusual do not hesitate to ping me
[12:30] <seb128> paride, wiil do, thx for responding and for fixing it!
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, FYI https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-compute-runtime/19.13.12717-0ubuntu2 :)
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I did that because intel new driver transition was stuck...
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg> and now a build failure, probably due to new intel, or new gcc or whatever... can you help?
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't want to upload intel-graphics-compiler to new releases....
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> better force gcc-8 and leave the update to you if you agree
[13:49] <DanyC> hi, i'm new around and so please accept my apologise for a silly q: i'm trying to understand how the ubuntu cloudimg ova image is being built? I'm trying to understand the mechanics done around the cloud-init and the user-data PropertyMapping present in the ova spec file. Any help much appreciated
[15:01] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: i don't have time for that until next month, most likely
[15:02] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, it migrated, so on the next upload you will probably want to drop the hack
[15:02] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-compute-runtime/19.13.12717-0ubuntu3
[15:11] <tjaalton> next one should be to sid
[15:12] <tjaalton> assuming the deps go through NEW some year
[15:40] <seb128> cpaelzer, hey, the Debian maintainer pointed out for usbguard that the lib is private/shipped in a subdir and that upstream consider it non-stable so it doesn't make much sense to have a .symbols, I commented back on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbguard/+bug/1816548 , would be nice if you have a +1/-1 about that point as a follow up since you did raise the issue in your review
[22:48] <Unit193> ...So where exactly *is* casper's vcs? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/casper/trunk points to a dead url and nothing else I'm finding is right.
[22:48] <Unit193> ...Having Vcs-Browser would most certainly help here.