[03:11] <LaserJock> jsgotangco!
[03:12] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:12] <LaserJock> dude, I'm running Dapper on my iMac right now!
[03:13] <jsgotangco> im surprised...
[03:13] <jsgotangco> i cannot relate to it since i dont have a mac nor have access to one
[03:13] <crimsun> AIGLX + Xfce == nice
[03:13] <jsgotangco> really?
[03:14] <crimsun> argh, ECHANNEL
[03:15] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: well, this is an intel mac so it really is cool
[03:15] <jsgotangco> oohhhh
[03:15] <jsgotangco> so it works
[03:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:18] <LaserJock> the booting is a bit strange
[03:18] <LaserJock> but it works
[03:20] <jsgotangco> interesting
[03:20] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:20] <bddebian> Hi jsgotangco
[03:20] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:15] <hlabs> one question i have
[04:15] <hlabs> can yahoo messenger the one with the voice stuff work with edubuntu
[04:22] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: what?
[04:22] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you on the marketing list?
[04:23] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: i think i left the marketing list
[04:23] <Burgundavia> it is mostly useless, but you might want to join in the "unified branding" thing john baer just posted
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: thanks i'll look into it, i have very little interest in unified branding btw, i was just looking at the logos of teams yesterday and thought it would be neat to have some kind of locoteam intramurals
[04:25] <hlabs> listen does edubuntu work with yahoo messenger.
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hlabs: yep, via gaim
[04:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: this would be unified branding across Edu/U/K/Xubuntu
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hlabs: the voice stuff doesn't work
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hlabs: yahoo isnt developing an improved client at all
[04:26] <hlabs> is there any IM software that works with voice in edu
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hlabs: gizmo, skype, ekiga to name a few
[04:26] <jsgotangco> (ekiga is a softphone btw)
[04:27] <hlabs> yeah. But on ekiga its not letting me setup any other sip accoutns. Keep son crashing
[04:27] <Burgundavia> ekiga is good
[04:28] <mhz> (well, it does run but I can't seem to talk to the other person :) )
[04:28] <jsgotangco> its probably your network, not ekiga
[04:28] <hlabs> listen i think amsn has the web cam option on it
[04:28] <jsgotangco> ekiga is just a softphone
[04:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: yeah
[04:29] <hlabs> but it tells me that it cant listen as im behind a firewall
[04:29] <hlabs> whats up with that
[04:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: however, same network used to work just fine with Gnome-meeting
[04:30] <mhz> in other words, breezy -> I could talk
[04:30] <mhz> dapper -> nope
[04:34] <hlabs> i gotta logitech webcam you know how i can set it up
[06:15] <jjjjjjj> is there a way to turn on the keypad on a mac keyboard?
[06:15] <jjjjjjj> got ubuntu running on a mac G4 700Mhz.
[06:24] <jjjjjjj> you know the sad thing is that if I asked this question in a windows chat room I'd have at least 3 replies.
[06:25] <jjjjjjj><PHONE_NUMBER>  but no hard feelings... I seem to have somehow stumbled onto the answer.  "Seek and Ye Shall Find" - Jesus<PHONE_NUMBER>
[06:32] <mhz> what was that?
[06:32] <mhz> why people usually stop by this channel thinking it is Yet Another Ubuntu technical support channel ?
[06:34] <crimsun> mhz: it has "ubuntu" in the channel string
[06:34] <bimberi> EDucate people about UBUNTU perhaps ;)
[06:34] <LaserJOck> becuase it is #edubuntu and not #edubuntu-devel
[06:36] <mhz> oh, well, i hope they don't leave their negative vibrations once they log off, pissed off
[06:36] <crimsun> mhz: some people expect others to spoonfeed them first.
[06:37] <mhz> spoonfeed?
[06:37] <mhz> oooh
[06:37] <mhz> I get it!
[06:37] <mhz> feed them with a spoon
[06:37] <mhz> like babies
[06:37] <mhz> duh!
[06:37] <crimsun> (right)
[06:37] <bimberi> you got it!
[06:38] <mhz> .oO( these english speakers are crazy)
[06:38] <bimberi> do nothing for yourself, have it all served up to you
[06:38] <mhz> yup
[06:38] <crimsun> sorry, I should have used something less locale-specific
[06:38] <mhz> crimsun: it is ok, I learn new stuff
[06:39] <mhz> crimsun: however, it sounded like this http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/FunPictures/CustomerService?highlight=%28pictures%29
[06:40] <mhz> (the 2nd part)
[06:40] <crimsun> man, I haven't read UF in ages
[06:41] <crimsun> I survived my undergrad days solely on UF
[06:41] <mhz> lol
[06:41] <mhz> yeah, they are COOL
[06:42] <mhz> crimsun: only UF? no Macarroni and Cheese?
[06:42] <crimsun> I still have the suse dust puppy sticker
[06:42] <mhz> nah!? really?
[06:42] <mhz> eeek
[06:42] <crimsun> yeah, it's half-worn, but it's on a textbook :)
[06:43] <LaserJock> crimsun: you ever read http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php
[06:43] <crimsun> oh yeah, LJ
[06:43] <crimsun> that's classic stuff
[06:43] <crimsun> mhz: nope, haven't read the latter
[06:43] <LaserJock> we like it in our lab
[06:44] <mhz> crimsun: hehehe, I meant, "only survived reading UF? did not eat Macarroni and Cheese?
[06:44] <LaserJock> Ramen
[06:44] <crimsun> mhz: oh, yeah, did that and ramen, too, before my junior year
[06:45] <mhz> nice, it seems to happen in many countries, just like that :)
[06:45] <Amaranth> i don't even do mac and cheese
[06:45] <Amaranth> ramen and cereal
[06:46] <LaserJock> me too
[06:46] <LaserJock> never licked mac and chesse
[06:47] <crimsun> not even once? ;)
[06:47] <LaserJock> liked
[06:48] <LaserJock> and no
[06:48] <crimsun> yeah, I was playing off your typo
[06:50] <mhz> Any of you ever read this comic?
[06:50] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/somework/IntroMoinMoin1?action=SlideShow&n=5
[06:51] <mhz> Term Unit X
[06:51] <crimsun> haven't
[06:51] <mhz> it is pretty cool comic
[06:52] <mhz> very well drawn, great mature story
[07:08] <highvoltage> Znarl++
[07:08] <highvoltage> > When the Edubuntu wiki <http://wiki.edubuntu.org> is accessed, the user
[07:08] <highvoltage> > is warned that the certificate belongs to wiki.ubuntu.com.
[07:08] <highvoltage> > Is there any way that this could be fixed?
[07:08] <highvoltage> Done.
[07:09] <highvoltage> --
[07:09] <highvoltage> Karl Tilbury
[07:09] <highvoltage> :)
[07:11] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[07:13] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia!
[07:13] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: how are things?
[07:14] <Burgundavia> not bad
[07:14] <highvoltage> seems like pygi just got up too :)
[07:14] <pygi> morning all :)
[07:16] <highvoltage> mornign pygi
[07:17] <mhz> highvoltage: cool!
[07:25] <highvoltage> morning mhz
[07:25] <mhz> hey
[07:42] <jsgotangco> hey ogra
[07:54] <cbx33> mornin peeps
[08:34] <RichEd> jello :)
[08:38] <Burgundavia> 'ello RichEd
[08:42] <RichEd> Burgundavia:  just checking ... you in Canada ? (according to JaneW)
[08:42] <Burgundavia> no, I live in Soviet Canuckistan ;)
[08:42] <RichEd> ah ... well at least that's further away from that annoying george fellow ;)
[08:43] <Burgundavia> thankfully, he is on the otherside of the continent
[08:43] <RichEd> have you got an "about page" anywhere ? to save me asking you annoying questions ...
[08:44] <Burgundavia> not a single one
[08:44] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CoreyBurger
[08:44] <Burgundavia> that links to various other places, including Wikipedia
[08:44] <Amaranth> "Python 2.4 allocated small objects in 256K-sized arenas, but never freed arenas. With this patch, Python will free arenas when they're empty. The net effect is that on some platforms, when you allocate many objects, Python's memory usage may actually drop when you delete them, and the memory may be returned to the operating system."
[08:44] <Amaranth> Kick. Ass.
[08:46] <RichEd> thanks :)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> RichEd: googling me is always informative as well
[08:48] <Burgundavia> hmm, appears you have no google juice RichEd
[08:48] <RichEd> Burgundavia: googling is dangerous for me ... i end up opening eleventy seven windows ... looking for a quick coffee read today ... not a research project ;)
[08:49] <RichEd> (especially now that i have "discovered" firefox and the tabs ... neat :) ... but even more open pages now)
[08:49] <mhz> RichEd: hi there... There is going to be the annual Linux Encounter (not sure if that is correct into english) in Chile, in November. Any chances you can come and give a talk? I am preparing some material for that event. However, if we're gonna have some kind of Edubuntu market insertion plan for LAm, you would the one to give the impression of "we're serious about it ":D
[08:50] <RichEd> mhz: thanks for the heads up ... sounds like an opportunity ... but all (good) things revolve around the meetings next week with the powers that be.
[08:50] <mhz> yeah! Google is like wikipedia... I always endup reading much more than expected about other stuff
[08:51] <RichEd> mhz: pop me an email, with background ... i'd sure like to come ... will need to build a quick case for approval
[08:51] <mhz> okis
[08:52] <RichEd> but if we can combine the encounter request with a m"eet mhz and draw up a LAm snapshot & plan for next 12 months suggestion" ... would make sense (to me)
[08:52] <mhz> RichEd: even greater!
[08:54] <RichEd> pre-requisite homework:  i would need to ask you then to draw up a summary of the entire South American continent to give me a background on that region ... and then make you the "South American Champion for Ubuntu & Edubuntu)
[08:54] <RichEd> so i can justify that i am building a regional support base for Education Programme ... and saving time & effort & money in future
[08:55] <RichEd> would that make sense (it would allow me to give you much more support) ?
[08:56] <mhz> RichEd: I have just been invited to a kind of "seminar" for people from 19 to 29 years old. The seminar is to motivate them and talk about 'enterpreneouring' (?), FLOSS vision and Sustainable Development, How and Why Linux has become succesfull, and many other things. I'll have a meeting anut it hopefully on Friday, so I'll tell you afterwards what they want me for. So far, I know they'll have 50 pcs available. /me will try to have at least 5 with Edubuntu
[08:56] <mhz> :D
[08:57] <mhz> anut =about
[08:57] <RichEd> mhz: going to open a pvt window for discussion with you ... give me 5 mins to clear up something first
[08:58] <mhz> RichEd: wow! Thanks for that vote of confidence!! Sure, I can do that homework, happily
[08:59] <RichEd> (mhz: it's all a cunning plan to offload work from my list onto yours ... but hey ... it should be good for all of us : you & me & Edubuntu & LAm)
[08:59] <mhz> hehehe
[09:03] <jsgotangco> wazzup
[09:04] <RichEd> 'lo jsgotangco :)
[09:04] <jsgotangco> hey champ
[09:05] <jsgotangco> what's cookin
[09:08] <RichEd> toast (soon) busy with coffee now ;)
[09:24] <mhz> jsgotangco: re 10 inches laptops for a cheap price/ I did find the specs, thx for the hints. I just did not find them for cheap price. I want them for teachers and students, so for those prices, it is not a good deal. :D
[09:24] <jsgotangco> well that's the price you pay for miniaturization
[09:25] <mhz> yeah, i know.
[09:25] <mhz> Chile wont be part of OLPC (still dont know why...nobody understands it), so I decided to look up for other alternatives.
[09:26] <mhz> more expensive, but affordable
[09:26] <jsgotangco> so is my home country
[09:26] <mhz> IIRC, only Argentina and Brazil have requested units
[09:27] <mhz> jsgotangco: do you know your Gov. reasons?
[09:27] <jsgotangco> we have more problems here like lack of classrooms and teachers so having computers for each student is not really an appealing problem to solve
[09:28] <jsgotangco> private foundations have been more successful in donations and such and the Education Media initiative is wildly successful
[09:29] <jsgotangco> far flung areas have no access to computers though but interestingly, the penetration rate of mobile phones is suprisingly high :)
[09:30] <jsgotangco> we are a natural-disater prone country and schools also serve as evacuation centers
[09:30] <jsgotangco> (public schools that is)
[09:33] <jsgotangco> edubuntu as a server solution is not really an appealing solution here either as we can't even achieve a 1:1 ratio
[09:34] <jsgotangco> the public school in my hometown for example has around a thousand students but only has 10 computers
[09:34] <jsgotangco> one of those computers was my old P3
[09:36] <jsgotangco> come to think of it, im pretty sure i was one of the first people being connected online in my place :)
[09:36] <jsgotangco> s/first people/first group of people
[09:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: gee
[09:38] <jsgotangco> there are certain regions here that are very very poor
[09:39] <jsgotangco> remember we are more than 7,000 islands spread from north to south
[09:39] <jsgotangco> our total coastline combined is bigger than that of the united states
[09:39] <mhz> jsgotangco: the more I hear/read about this, the more I am convinced it is each person's responsibility to do something to change it (if we realize this is bad, we must do something to solve it).
[09:40] <jsgotangco> we are very very spread out
[09:40] <mhz> yeah, true
[09:40] <jsgotangco> socially and economically
[09:40] <RichEd> ogra are you here or busy driving a truck around somewhere ;)
[09:40] <jsgotangco> so an initiative may only benefit a certain region for it to be successful first
[09:41] <mhz> In Chile we are not that spread but yeah, we are a long thin country with many diff geographical areas and weather, so it is not easy to coordinate.
[09:41] <jsgotangco> education here, is like not even on the top 10 priorities of the national budget
[09:41] <jsgotangco> because almost half of the national budget goes into debt servicing
[09:42] <jsgotangco> the stories of public school teachers going abroad to become domestic help for other countries is too common already
[09:42] <RichEd> jsgotangco: sounds like you need bono to come sing about debt relief when he is finished in africa !
[09:42] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:43] <jsgotangco> 30 years ago, we could have been a superpower in the region if the nuclear program went into fruit
[09:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: we, in LAm are told we have  huge international debt (money) with Europe and USA...and it is fun.. Spanish and Portuguese people took (and still take) most of our many resources, for free, but we owe them :)
[09:49] <jsgotangco> i guess we can all blame the spanish of the middle ages heh
[09:49] <mhz> hehehehe
[09:49] <cbx33> morning mhz jsgotangco
[09:49] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:49] <jsgotangco> we're like under spanish rule for 600+ years
[09:49] <mhz> well, it was our fault too, we let that happen somehow
[09:50] <mhz> cbx33: hi there. how's family?
[09:50] <cbx33> yeh doing good
[09:50] <mhz> nice
[09:50] <cbx33> you?
[09:50] <mhz> me?
[09:51] <cbx33> how are you doing?
[09:52] <mhz> I am fine...just can't sleep yet. My daughter is happily sleeping and my ex-wife (but we live toghether) is also sleeping and healthy...so I can't complain
[10:11] <mhz> Guys, I am trying to modify topic of #ubuntu-meeting
[10:12] <mhz> Does that have to be via fridge 1st?
[10:12] <mhz> if so, can someone do it? (or it's anyone's task)
[10:13] <mhz> I wanna add '27 Jul 15:00 UTC: Edubuntu Handbook'
[10:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: ?
[10:20] <mhz> RichEd: ping
[10:20] <RichEd> pong
[10:20] <RichEd> wrapped my mail chores ... can i get a coffee & join you in pvt ?
[10:21] <mhz> oh, for a moment I thought I had been disconnected
[10:21] <mhz> RichEd: sure, 3 minutes?
[10:21] <RichEd> and counting
[10:21] <mhz> heheh
[11:45] <mhz> Guys, I am trying to modify topic of #ubuntu-meeting
[11:45] <mhz> Does that have to be via fridge 1st?
[11:45] <mhz> I wanna add '27 Jul 15:00 UTC: Edubuntu Handbook'
[11:51] <pygi> mhz, isnt that already on the fridge?
[11:51] <mhz> pygi: nope
[11:51] <mhz> that is why I am trying to add it
[11:53] <pygi> just add it on the fridge (poke jdub I would say)
[12:16] <mhz> pygi: I have just finished a meeting and need some sleep (at least 30 minutes)..could you please poke jdub for the Handbook Meeting?
[12:16] <mhz>  /whois jdub shows no channel
[12:57] <cbx33> morning ogra
[12:57] <ogra> hey hey
[12:58] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/attemp2.mp3
[12:58] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/attempt2.mp3
[12:58] <cbx33> whoops
[12:58] <cbx33> just inital conecpt and ideas at this stage
[12:58] <cbx33> it's onyl a few K
[12:58] <ogra> nice
[12:59] <cbx33> suggestions comments?
[01:00] <ogra> the break in the beginning feels a bit strange, i'd make it shorter, but else i think its great
[01:00] <cbx33> cool
[01:00] <cbx33> do you mean the pause between the notes?
[01:00] <cbx33> or the actual pause before it starts?
[01:00] <ogra> yeah
[01:00] <cbx33> ok cool
[01:00] <ogra> no
[01:00] <juliux> cbx33, sounds great, but a littlebit windows like
[01:00] <cbx33> I'll make another version tonight
[01:01] <cbx33> juliux: any suggestions
[01:01] <cbx33> as I said it's still VERY early days yet
[01:01] <juliux> cbx33, second 5 and the rest sounds like a windows sound
[01:02] <juliux> cbx33, the start sounds realy great
[01:02] <rodarvus> nice sound, I liked it
[01:02] <rodarvus> how long is the current one we have on Ubuntu?
[01:02] <ogra> similar
[01:02] <cbx33> about the same
[01:02] <rodarvus> *nods*
[01:02] <ogra> or even a little longer
[01:02] <cbx33> yeh I think it possibly is
[01:02] <rodarvus> chaging the login sound would be nice
[01:02] <cbx33> :D
[01:02] <cbx33> I agree
[01:02] <ogra> changing all sounds would be better :P
[01:03] <cbx33> ogra: that is my intention
 the break in the beginning feels a bit strange, i'd make it shorter, but else i think its great
[01:03] <rodarvus> agreed
[01:03] <cbx33> it was done like that...to ease you into your desktop :p
[01:03] <rodarvus> cbx33, did you played it on a keyboard connected to your computer?
[01:03] <rodarvus> a midi keyboard, I mean
[01:03] <cbx33> I used a Korg X5D synth for most sounds
[01:03] <cbx33> and then used Ardour for the disc recording/mixing and effectsd
[01:03] <rodarvus> right
[01:04] <cbx33> and the korg has a wonderful sound set
[01:05] <cbx33> maybe have some jungle drums in there :p
[01:06] <rodarvus> south africans could feel offended if you use a jungle drums in there :)
[01:06] <cbx33> ahhh true
[01:07] <cbx33> ogra: so then rather than.....   |-|---|-|---|>------     more like |--|--|--|>--------  ? if that makes sense?
[01:07] <ogra> and catholics could feel offended if you use bells ? come on :)
[01:07] <rodarvus> I wonder when the "new zeroconf spec" thread on ubuntu-devel@ is gonna be ended
[01:07] <rodarvus> it must have about 200 emails by now
[01:07] <cbx33> dang I'm feeling offended already.....ok...just sine tones for this theme then :p
[01:07] <ogra> rodarvus, not even ignoring it solves that it seems ...
[01:09] <rodarvus> broken openoffice.org-l10n is holding the rest of the upgrades
[01:09] <cbx33> rodarvus: again?????
[01:10] <rodarvus> cbx33, yeah, but this time not on the build system
[01:10] <rodarvus> the OOo package which was building yesterday was published to the mirrors
[01:10] <rodarvus> but is missing openoffice.org-l10n
[01:10] <ogra> cbx33, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/SoundEvents
[01:10] <rodarvus> which was uploaded this morning
[01:10] <ogra> found it :)
[01:10] <cbx33> dang I was searching for that as well
[01:10] <rodarvus> and (if build suceeds) will be published in about 15 hours from now
[01:10] <rodarvus> so
[01:11] <rodarvus> b0rked updates in Edgy for the next 15 hours :P
[01:11] <cbx33> 8 or 44kHz, - seems a little too coarse to me :p
[01:11] <ogra> "The average Windows user has not heard a system beep in 10 years!"
[01:11] <ogra> hehe
[01:12] <cbx33> it's like....hmmm should we have ...crap quality....or space hogging quality?
[01:13] <cbx33> its been around for a while 2005-04-23
[01:17] <rodarvus> ogra, do you remember where logs for our irc channels are kept?
[01:17] <rodarvus> found it: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[01:18] <cbx33> right back alter all
[01:18] <cbx33> I'm getting kicked out of work
[01:19] <cbx33> at 12:18
[01:19] <cbx33> I should be here till 4
[01:19] <cbx33> but i nthe summer they shut early
[01:19] <cbx33> last year it was 2
[01:19] <cbx33> this year should be 1
[01:19] <cbx33> but hey I'm still getting paid so I'm not gonna complain
[01:19] <cbx33> more edubuntu time :D
[01:19] <cbx33> bye all
[03:36] <RichEd> out for 30 mins
[03:59] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:35] <mhz> morning guys
[04:35] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:36] <jsgotangco> and im already preparing to sleep in an hour =)
[04:36] <mhz> I guess that there is not point is setting new topic on #ubuntu-meeting, if we are only 30 minutes left for Edubuntu Handbook meeting, tight ?
[04:36] <mhz> ;)
[04:40] <pygi> mhz, 20 minutes :P
[04:41] <mhz> ;)
[04:42] <mhz> == REMINDER | Edubuntu Handbook meeting, Today, in 18 minutes, #ubuntu-meeting ==
[04:51] <Petaris> Morning all
[04:52] <mhz> morning
[04:53] <RichEd> hi again mhz ...
[04:55] <mhz> RichEd: hi, Mr. Lizzard-on-shoulder's Husband ;D
[04:56] <ogra> mhz, they have rats, not lizzards ;)
[04:56] <mhz> HedgeMage: cool! I did not know if you would make it
[04:56] <RichEd> that would be a big lizard ... it's Mr. Lizzards-on-shoulder ;)
[04:56] <mhz> ogra: hehehe
[04:56] <mhz> ogra: still "ogra-on-the-move" ?
[04:57] <RichEd> ogra: we have rats & lizards & geckos
[04:57] <ogra> mhz, just packed my motorbike in the truck ;)
[04:57] <ogra> RichEd, oh, Jane never told me, she only talked about the rats ...
[04:57] <mhz> ogra: nice! so you'll be offline for how many days?
[04:57] <ogra> none :)
[04:58] <mhz> == REMINDER | Edubuntu Handbook meeting, Today, in 3 minutes, #ubuntu-meeting ==
[04:58] <RichEd> geckos are free in africa ... they're like cute soft lizards
[04:58] <ogra> probably monday, depends how fast i am with unloading ...
[04:58] <HedgeMage> mhz: I have to cut out but I'll be logging and pygi is going to run things
[04:58] <RichEd> hopw's it looking to join us tomorrow in meeting ogra  ?
[04:59] <ogra> if they dont shut down the DSL here tonight, it should be all fine
[04:59] <mhz> ogra, RichEd, and all... I may be offline for a couple of days (maybe even a week). I mean, there will be no broadband at home, so, I'll log in from a cibercafe near the house.
[04:59] <mhz> That means, no more coffee while on the web :(
[05:00] <mhz> RichEd: ohh, I haven't sent you yesterdays meeting log
[05:00] <mhz> had
[05:00] <mhz> hard
[05:00] <RichEd> already got it thanks
[05:01] <RichEd> but feel free to abuse yourself
[05:01] <mhz> == REMINDER | Edubuntu Handbook meeting, Today, Now?, #ubuntu-meeting ==
[05:01] <mhz> hehehe
[05:02] <mhz> sorry, I started reading emails yesterday and then I just forgot about it
[06:58] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:28] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:48] <cbx33> Hi all
[08:48] <cbx33> new sounds scheme test
[08:48] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/attempt3.mp3
[08:49] <ogra> could you now add some living elements =
[08:49] <ogra> ?
[08:49] <cbx33> living elemts?
[08:50] <ogra> i.e. the current one has birds singing silently in the background ..
[08:50] <cbx33> i was gonna add kids laughing.....for an edubuntu one :p
[08:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:50] <ogra> something like playing kids
[08:50] <ogra> yay
[08:50] <cbx33> I'll see what i canc do
[08:50] <cbx33> does it sound better
[08:50] <ogra> great minds think alike :)
[08:50] <ogra> yup, sounds great
[08:50] <cbx33> btw just so yous guys know....that last one was created entirely on ubuntu
[08:50] <cbx33> no keyboards
[08:50] <cbx33> I actually played it all on the laptop
[08:51] <juliux> cbx33, great song
[08:51] <cbx33> so that one is better yeh?
[08:52] <juliux> cbx33, yes
[08:52] <cbx33> great right I'll be back alter
[09:13] <mbuf> i tried installed edubuntu on T41 that already has ubuntu dapper beta and installed grub to MBR, now system is not booting - error message "GRUB Loading Stage 1.5. Grub loading, please wait ... Error 18" - I am not able to enter into BIOS either :(
[09:13] <mbuf> what do i do ?
[09:19] <Burgwork> you need to reinstall grbu
[09:19] <Burgwork> grab an ubuntu cd, there should a rescue mode on that
[10:51] <pygi> hey RichEd
[10:51] <RichEd> hey ...
[10:52] <RichEd> not officiallly here :) just messing around with last of my install issues - GRUB edit etc.
[10:54] <RichEd> :)
[10:55] <RichEd> dunno can't see nothing ?
[10:55] <pygi> lol, right :)
[10:57] <RichEd> while it's quiet, can i sneak in a dumb question ?
[10:57] <Burgwork> RichEd, nope
[10:58] <pygi> RichEd, it isn't quiet, it's just dark :P
[10:58] <RichEd> (seems to work for wimmin ;)
[10:58] <pygi> RichEd, ok, shoot, so if I don't know as usual, I'll be quiet :)
[10:58] <Burgwork> speaking of wimmin, how is your lovely wife?
[10:58] <RichEd> with file search in Linux ... how do you list multiple file patterns in the search box ?
[10:59] <RichEd> Burgwork:  sleeping i think
[10:59] <RichEd> with MS file search, I can do [ *.png, *.abc ]
[10:59] <RichEd> commas between
[10:59] <Burgwork> hmm, no idea
[10:59] <Burgwork> never used search
[11:01] <pygi> RichEd, "locate *.png *.abc" ?
[11:01] <RichEd> pygi: using the GUI interface
[11:01] <pygi> or "slocate *.png *.abc"
[11:01] <pygi> ah
[11:01] <RichEd> the one on the places menu
[11:02] <RichEd> if i try what you suggest, it finds nothing at all, not even the first pattern
[11:02] <Burgwork> the one on the places menu also uses locate
[11:03] <pygi> RichEd, you must first do "sudo updatedb"
[11:03] <pygi> then do "slocate *.png *.abc"
[11:03] <RichEd> explain what this does please ? updatedb ?
[11:04] <pygi> updates a database? :)
[11:04] <pygi>    updatedb - update the slocate database
[11:04] <RichEd> ah ... that must be like indexing files for quick search
[11:04] <Burgwork> pygi, we need beagle or something better
[11:04] <RichEd> and asking for the index to be updated
[11:05] <pygi> Burgwork, beagle is fine in current state
[11:05] <pygi> at least compared to before :P
[11:05] <Burgwork> not on laptops
[11:05] <Burgwork> when you start in the sewer...
[11:05] <RichEd> i'll leave you alone now and go back towards that bright light
[11:05] <RichEd> tomorrow gents :)
[11:06] <pygi> RichEd, try that pls :)
[11:06] <pygi> Burgwork, hm, right
[11:06] <RichEd> pygi: okay
[11:08] <RichEd> yep ... multiple patterns match with space between.
[11:09] <RichEd> and man says:
[11:09] <RichEd> updatedb
[11:09] <RichEd> NAME
[11:09] <RichEd>        updatedb - update the slocate database
[11:09] <pygi> I pasted you that =P
[11:09] <RichEd> spot on pygi :)
[11:09] <RichEd> ahhhhh
[11:10] <RichEd> i must be getting ready for bed ... getting close to pumpkin time ...
[11:10] <pygi> enjoy RichEd
[11:11] <RichEd> thanks & g'night
[11:11] <pygi> night


[06:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> Done!
[06:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> Same for rART
[06:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> and default settings
[07:02] <The_LoudSpeaker> oooh default settings doesn't have a groovy branch yet. whoever makes changes, make sure you create a branch first.
 will we have standups again?
 I think we should. I think the big question is when is everyone available?
 @kc2bez [I think we should. I think the big question is when is everyone available?], we could make a poll for it I think
[15:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> +1
[15:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> The release is nearning.
 +1
[22:48] <guiverc> I believe standups are useful, even if I say nothing.  (I get to hear what others are doing, can throw in a thought should I have one), and can get told where to direct attention etc


[00:00] <cjwatson> I think this is a ubiquity bug - it always copies over /etc/network/interfaces from the live session, but casper causes that to include "manual" if you're netbooting
[00:00] <xnox> =/
[00:01] <xnox> how come this is not happening in jenkins/checkbox-satelite, or it does happen just not causing any problems?
[00:01] <xnox> interesting.
[00:01] <cjwatson> dunno
[00:01] <cjwatson> they may have a different live session setup
[00:01] <xnox> true.
[00:02] <xnox> i'll poke them, next time I sync up with them.
[00:02] <johnsterdotcom> what's the alternative to ubiquity?
[00:02] <xnox> cjwatson: by the way, are you ok to try to include rsyslogd support in ubiquity cd.
[00:06] <cjwatson> how do you mean?
[00:07] <johnsterdotcom> so i am netbooting ....
[00:07] <johnsterdotcom>  KERNEL B/5.556/fdva/vmlinuz
[00:07] <johnsterdotcom>     APPEND auto=true priority=critical boot=casper netboot=nfs nfsroot=<IP_ADDRESS>:/scratch/nfs/pxe/install/B/5.556/fdva ip=:::::eth0:dhcp initrd=B/5.556/fdva/initrd.lz automatic-ubiquity file=/cdrom/preseed/fdva.seed vga=791 --
[00:08] <johnsterdotcom> i had originally had to edit the append line from 'ubiquity' to 'automatic-ubiquity' ... and I'm wondering if there a bug in ubiquity if there's some other alternative (say the traditional debian installer) that could be used instead of ubiquity
[00:10] <cjwatson> you can certainly use the traditional debian-installer
[00:10] <cjwatson> netboot images are linked from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/12.04/
[00:10] <cjwatson> netbooting ubiquity has always been a bit patchy TBH
[00:23] <johnsterdotcom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/388060
[00:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 388060 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "netboot install of live CD results in unconfigured network interface" [Medium,Triaged]
[00:50] <johnsterdotcom> so what if I wanted to execute the command 'rm /etc/network/interfaces' as one of the closing steps in the install, does ubiquity have a method for this?
[00:52] <johnsterdotcom> d-i preseed/late_command string 'rm /etc/network/interfaces' , perhaps
[00:54] <johnsterdotcom> have to go ... i'll post tomorrow how it went ... by hand, removing the interfaces file and restarting left the machine where I needed it.
[00:55] <johnsterdotcom> Thanks for your help today
[04:28] <pabs3> which part of the Ubuntu alternate installer code would be responsible for tunning this command? apt-get -o APT::Status-Fd=4 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=5 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=6 -q -y install minimal^ standard^
[04:28] <pabs3> I'm trying to track down why this is happening: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2009-August/000466.html
[04:49] <infinity> pabs3: You may find this relevant: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2013-January/001185.html
[04:50] <infinity> pabs3: Looks like your problem is simply that you're preseeding "multiselect" instead of "string" for your skip.
[04:51] <infinity> Template: tasksel/skip-tasks
[04:51] <infinity> Type: string
[04:51] <infinity> Description: Which tasks should not be shown or installed
[04:51] <infinity>  This can be preseeded to cause certain tasks to be neither shown nor
[04:51] <infinity>  installed, as if they were not available.
[04:52] <pabs3> I'm currently doing it slightly different to the post, using this (wasn't aware of skip-tasks yet): tasksel tasksel/first multiselect
[04:53] <infinity> pabs3: Looking at the code, it should be a space-seperated list (if just breaks them up with a shell for loop)
[04:53] <pabs3> which code is this?
[04:53] <infinity> The code to tasksel.
[04:53] <infinity> (Hence the preseeds starting with tasksel/*)
[04:54] <infinity> Anyhow, "tasksel tasksel/skip-tasks string minimal standard" would skip attempts to install both, it looks like.
[04:56] <pabs3> great, thanks
[07:52] <pabs3> infinity: any idea if Ubuntu support pre-seeding via DHCP? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-dhcp
[07:53] <pabs3> using ubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[07:54] <antarus> wow that is a neat..uh...feature ;p
[09:59] <cjwatson> infinity: Nothing actually cares about the template type you preseed, FWIW.
[10:00] <cjwatson> pabs3: That's been around for quite a while (2009 or so, I think), so it should work in 12.04, yes.
[15:02] <nuclearbob> can somebody tell me how to preseed a hostname in ubiquity? d-i netcfg/get_hostname string blarg doesn't seem to do it
[15:04] <nuclearbob> I
[15:04] <nuclearbob> 've also tried overwriting /root/etc/hostname in  a casper-bottom script, but that didn't seem to stick
[15:15] <stgraber> nuclearbob: "d-i netcfg/get_hostname string blarg" is right, though you can't put it in a preseed file that's read from the network
[15:15] <nuclearbob> stgraber: if I pack it into the initrd, should that work?
[15:15] <stgraber> nuclearbob: yeah, or just passs netcfg/get_hostname=blarg as a kernel cmdline argument
[15:17] <nuclearbob> stgraber: okay, I'll try that, thanks
[15:30] <nuclearbob> stgraber: I passed netcfg/get_hostname=acer-veriton-04 as a kernel argument, and it shows up in /proc/cmdline, but the machine still appears to use ubuntu as the hostname
[18:11] <johnsterdotcom> using ubiquity on netboot ... these commands seem to fail / not be executed ...
[18:12] <johnsterdotcom> d-i preseed/late_command string 'rm /etc/network/interfaces'
[18:12] <johnsterdotcom> ubiquity ubiquity/success_command string rm /etc/network/interfaces
[18:12] <johnsterdotcom> d-i preseed/late_command string string echo "john was here" > /root/john-di.txt
[18:12] <johnsterdotcom> ubiquity ubiquity/success_command string echo "john was here" > /root/john-ubiquity.txt
[18:12] <johnsterdotcom> any idea why?
[18:21] <johnsterdotcom> ubiquity/success_command: similar to preseed/late_command. Specify a command to be run when the install completes successfully (runs outside of /target, but /target is mounted when the command is invoked).
[18:21] <johnsterdotcom> hmm
[18:47] <cjwatson> johnsterdotcom: right, so you want /target/etc/network/interfaces rather than just /e/n/i ...
[18:48] <cjwatson> also, you can't stack multiple commands that way - lines in a preseed file set a key in a database, they aren't a scpt
[18:48] <cjwatson> *script
[18:48] <cjwatson> so if you want multiple commands, something like:
[18:49] <cjwatson> ubiquity ubiquity/success_command string first command; second command
[18:49] <cjwatson> and don't put quotes around the whole command the way you did in your first late_command example
[18:51] <johnsterdotcom> thank you ... i just learned that all the hard way ... but it is working now :)
[18:52] <johnsterdotcom> looks like all my network configuration is for not as well ... the doc page for ubiquity is telling me straight-away that it's going to ignore netcfg operations
[18:53] <johnsterdotcom> this is just the wrong tool for me, i think ... but don't have debian installer on the images i've inherited, so I'm doing my best
[18:53] <johnsterdotcom> thanks for all this help
[19:53] <johnsterdotcom> So I know there's a ubiquity/keep-installed key (from some other examples), but I don't see it documented here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation ... and I'm wanting to see if there's something like its inverse. Is there a listing of all available keys?


[12:08] <gimzmoe> hmm  stand corrected, the strange-unresponsive-mode has returned, twice in one day :(
[12:25] <derdritte> Hi everyone, I am using xubuntu 20.04.3 with xfce 4.14 on a recent 5.11 kernel. After my PC wakes from sleep or hibernation it sometimes (seemingly after longer sleep or hibernation) does not show the desktop again. I have to change to another terminal and then back to terminal 7 for it to show again. I tried to deactivate all screensavers and
[12:25] <derdritte> locks I could find. I googled for it, but I am not sure I know the correct terminology to find good results. Any hints?
[12:27] <derdritte> Additionally, when I go to shut down the PC via the action button menu, it sometimes takes two times of click "Shutdown" on the menu and confirming the dialuoge for the PC to actually shutdown (same goes for sleep or hibernation).
[12:27] <derdritte> Would it be more prudent to take this of a board?
[13:11] <xu-irc8w> hi ! anyone speak russian ?
[13:12] <xu-irc8w> -_-
[13:15] <coconut> xu-irc8w, no but there is an #ubuntu-ru channel perhaps?
[13:16] <coconut> 10 users entered onyl though
[13:16] <coconut> *only
[13:21] <xu-irc8w> who install ubuntu and other distro on MSI GE66 Raider ?
[13:56] <sophie> hey all
[13:57] <sophie> i love xubuntu 20.04
[13:57] <sophie> i have had a lot of probs with 21.04
[14:59] <gnrp> sophie: Did you upgrade to 21.04 or make a fresh install?
[15:00] <gnrp> derdritte: With cases like this... I would really wonder if it makes sense to investigate it
[15:01] <gnrp> in my experience, you run into endless debugging where you spend easily 1000 time sthe time that you spend in clicking Ctrl+Alt+F1, Ctrl+Alt+F7
[15:05] <sophie> i made a fresh install
[15:05] <sophie> there is some confusion over the sys tray icons
[15:06] <sophie> some dont show, some so twice (like the wifi)
[15:06] <sophie> and then late down the line plugging in my headphone lead broke pulseaudio server
[15:07] <sophie> 20.04 lts seems rock stable still
[15:07] <sophie> im not good enough to investigate, only report what i saw over 3 months
[15:08] <sophie> all my pcs run 20.04 xubuntu and it super solid
[15:09] <gnrp> sophie: The wifi icon showing twice could be that you just have it activated twice, once in this... status bar or what it's called
[15:09] <gnrp> sophie: Which ones are not showing up?
[15:09] <sophie> discord
[15:09] <sophie> zoiper
[15:09] <sophie> singal shows ok
[15:09] <sophie> *signal
[15:22] <derdritte> gnrp: I agree, it is more a tick than optimizing for time :)
[16:55] <sophie> i hope 22.04 solves it all
[16:56] <sophie> but im not looking to upgrade now till the security updates end
[17:31] <sim642> Just upgraded 20.10 -> 21.04 and the default font changed to Noto Sans Regular. Anyone know what the old default font was? I don't like all websites looking different...
[18:10] <krytarik> sim642: https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/08c4dc9b863c45055fc3644807ffed4a2f869282 - on the default settings side there was no change since then, but could be the font itself has changed slightly or the rendering of it.
[18:11] <sim642> I guess I had customized it and the upgrade wrecked my customization then
[18:12] <sim642> Where is this value stored so I can look it up in some backup
[18:13] <krytarik> The user-specific one in '~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml'
[18:23] <sim642> Actually maybe the default font didn't change after all, but the upgrade of firefox to 92 added support for system-ui font, which previously was skipped
[20:13] <sophie> i noticed numix no longer turns the current window bar blue in the task bar
[20:13] <sophie> i really liked that


[13:53] <codeadi> I am troubleshooting this launchpad bug #1245150 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1245150 which is related to bluetooth being disabled in system settings.. The summary is that this is a problem in upstream linux kernel... The last known mainline kernel which works is v3.9 series and the problem starts with v3.10 onwards... I have found that bug #60824 on Kernel Bug Tracker is similar to my problem: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_
[13:53] <codeadi> bug.cgi?id=60824 There is a patch provided in comment #6 which has solved the issue for others... I would like some help with applying this patch and would appreciate some hand-holding with this one...
[13:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1245150 in linux (Ubuntu) "0a12:0001 Bluetooth Dongle (Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd) doesn't work after upgrading to Saucy" [Medium,Incomplete]
[13:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 60824 in Evolution "the calendar export feature should have a menu item" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60824
[16:13] <smola> could someone triage this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+bug/1059722 <-- it's a long standing bug (+1 year) in Ubuntu Precise that only requires a re-build of the package
[16:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059722 in proftpd-dfsg (Ubuntu) "Oct 1 16:38:53 summerborn proftpd[8631]: mod_sftp/0.9.8: compiled using OpenSSL version 'OpenSSL 1.0.0e 6 Sep 2011' headers, but linked to OpenSSL version 'OpenSSL 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012' library" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:22] <rbasak> smola: so is it verified fixed in Trusty?
[16:34] <smola> rbasak: I have no access to a machine with Trusty, but that's probably unrelated: there's no need for a backport, just a re-build
[16:42] <smola> rbasak: these proftpd modules require a rebuild everything openssl is updated in the system, latest proftpd build on precise is 21 Nov 2011, since then openssl has been updated many times from 1.0.0e-1 (the one that proftpd was compiled against) up to 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10
[16:42] <smola> everytime*
[16:43] <smola> so the warning messages are just about not being compiled against the current version (1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10)
[17:03] <rbasak> smola: I don't know what to do about triaging the bug since the main bug status is about the bug status in the current development version.
[17:04] <rbasak> smola: for the problem in Precise, is there an actual problem, or is it just a warning? Are you familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates? For an update to Precise, there needs to be a test case and a consideration of regression risk.
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak: oh good you're here, mind if I pick your brain?
[17:05] <rbasak> (for a rebuild we basically do a no-change update, which will trigger a rebuild)
[17:05] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: go ahead
[17:05] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: or maybe in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-server as appropriate?
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak: might be better if I pick your brain elsewhere, don't want to flood -bugs with security fix stuff, but meh
[17:05] <rbasak> Right :)
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak: -server or -hardened might be more appropriate but either way :)
[17:06] <rbasak> I'm in both :)
[17:47] <smola> rbasak: right, it definitely does not met the criteria for an update
[17:47] <smola> it's just a warning about a possible source of troubles, but no actual problem surfaced so far
[17:56] <rbasak> smola: in that case we just need to verify that it's fixed in Trusty and then explain and mark Fix Released.
[18:32] <smola> rbasak: actually, it's probably better marked as WONTFIX; because openssl will always be updated in stable releases, leading to the same warning over and over
[18:34] <smola> or patched to show the warning only if x.x.x part of the version differs


[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[20:44] <ball> I'm starting to think I suck at this game.
[20:47] <daftykins> heya \o which game?
[20:49] <ball> xfreecell
[20:50] <daftykins> hrmm
[20:51]  * zmoylan-pi launches into another game of pixel dungeon...
[20:58]  * ball hasn't seen that
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> a roguelike game on android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.watabou.pixeldungeon&hl=en
[21:13] <ball> hello marshmn
[21:14] <marshmn> hi
[21:14] <daftykins> \o
[21:14] <marshmn> is this a new channel welcoming service?
[21:15] <daftykins> yep, but the carpet is brown i'm afraid
[21:15] <marshmn> nice
[21:15] <penguin42> yes that's the version 0.98 daftykins welcome bot
[21:19] <marshmn> maybe it will reach 1.0 just in time for the death of IRC
[21:19] <daftykins> woohoo
[21:19] <daftykins> i dunno about that, my robot arm is tired already
[21:22] <marshmn> I have too many different chat applications open all the time
[21:22] <marshmn> but I have to say, IRC is the one I use least these days...
[21:23] <daftykins> there are just too many out there, mmm
[21:23]  * penguin42 has one application that does many protocols
[21:23] <marshmn> does it do Slack & Discord?
[21:23] <ball> penguin42: Is it pidgin?
[21:23] <daftykins> see i don't understand why both those exist
[21:23] <penguin42> ball: Nod
[21:24] <ball> daftykins: NIH Syndrome, probably.
[21:24] <marshmn> daftykins: who knows, but they do
[21:24] <penguin42> daftykins: I understand why something other than irc exists;  there are some things that newer protocols can do
[21:25] <marshmn> they are certainly richer (in UI/UX terms)
[21:25]  * penguin42 has his pidgin doing irc, aim (probably dead now), G hangouts and purple
[21:25] <penguin42> sorry, and Matrix
[21:25] <daftykins> hmm i think you can pin a fair chunk of that on your chosen client :>
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> the big social news is that ms are shutting down so.cl... imagine having a less successful social netowrk than google... :-P
[21:26] <penguin42> daftykins: I've done some contributions to the purple matrix plugin
[21:26] <ball> zmoylan-pi: I hadn't even heard of that one.
[21:26] <daftykins> i've never heard of that
[21:26] <daftykins> i know libpurple underpins Pidgin but not familiar with matrix
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> we do seem to have reached peak service were we now only hear about services as they are been shut down
[21:27] <daftykins> i used to use Pidgin on Windows before MSN finally got killed off :D
[21:27] <penguin42> daftykins: see matrix.org; it's a distributed chat protocol
[21:27] <daftykins> eh it's ok, i don't need another one :>
[21:27] <penguin42> daftykins: Fully open
[21:27] <daftykins> text only?
[21:28] <penguin42> daftykins: No, images, video, audio
[21:28] <penguin42> daftykins: (Although the pigin doesn't do the video/audio yet)
[21:28] <penguin42> daftykins: Free clients for everything
[21:28] <daftykins> too many cooks :>
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> you get a client; you get a client; you get a client
[21:29] <marshmn> don't expect daftykins to like it; he only likes stuff that's stuck in the past
[21:29] <daftykins> :D
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> piffle.... he uses modern irc!! :-)
[21:30] <daftykins> nah i'm on skype! that's constantly getting updated :)
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> hasn't touched a bbs in yonks...
[21:30] <daftykins> i never touched a BBS as it goes, skipped that one by
[21:30]  * ball lives on Fidonet
[21:30] <ball> (and IRC)
[21:30] <marshmn> I'm soooo glad that I don't have to run Skype any more
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, i used to be on fidonet
[21:30] <ball> zmoylan-pi: Which zone?
[21:30] <marshmn> well, rarely have to run it anyway
[21:31] <penguin42> daftykins: So specifically the nice things over irc are that you get no problems with multiple clients all logged in (e.g. phone/desktop/etc), you get images inline, and copes well with intermittent connectivity - e.g. bad wifi or switching from wifi to 3g and back
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> i honestly couldn't tell you as i never used it once for communications... i joined a bbs in dublin and fidonet was part of that... but as i was only person i knew online at the time i didn't need the email
[21:32] <marshmn> one thing I like about Slack/Discord (and others) over IRC is that you can catch up on conversation that happened when you weren't connected
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> well i use my rasp pi on 24x7 for that
[21:32] <penguin42> marshmn: Right, matrix can do that as well
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> and someone recently pointed out that news groups did the same thing pre slack
[21:32] <marshmn> yeah, Matrix sounds like a more open version of things like Slack
[21:34] <marshmn> fact is, if you had never used any of these things and you came to the internet for the first time and evaluated them all, you wouldn't pick IRC
[21:34] <marshmn> it's just too outdated compared to the others
[21:35] <marshmn> but
[21:35] <marshmn> the most important thing is the community - where people are
[21:35] <marshmn> and for some communities, like this one, they are still on IRC
[21:35] <marshmn> that's the only reason to keep it
[21:35] <daftykins> you know, as much as i know you're joking i resent the idea i'm doing anything outdated :( just because i don't care for inferior quality!
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> irc runs very nicely on the dumbphones that i use with a java client... slack will never run on those phones
[21:36] <daftykins> did see talk spotify was going to go lossless though, curious what they're gonna use for that o0
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> wav :-P
[21:36] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i don't think you can put a negative on a modern service for it not supporting antiques - that's simply not any kind of business sense
[21:36] <marshmn> zmoylan-pi: then get modern phone for christsakes
[21:37] <penguin42> marshmn: irc does have some things going for it; it tends to be very resilient on a distributed set of servers, it's also very low bandwidth
[21:37] <marshmn> sure - but the world has moved on
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> nokia releasing more antiques dominated the news from latest mobile trade show... they are not antiques... they are still useable devices
[21:38] <marshmn> it's not really an antique though is it... it's a modern phone in a case that looks like the old one
[21:38] <marshmn> and also, that was a marketing gimmick
[21:38] <penguin42> marshmn: Yet you still find people running around like headless chickens because 'slack is down'
[21:38] <marshmn> lol
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> the 3310 is an antique as it won't even run the java irc client i use sadly
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> the resources slack uses on a desktop seems a little high for what it is from the complaints i read online
[21:39] <marshmn> it's fine, I'm not here to convince you
[21:39] <marshmn> stick with IRC
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> this is an industry that tries to reinvent a better wheel every few years and rarely succeeds
[21:40] <marshmn> you can all sit in a shed somewhere and pretend that it's the year 1998
[21:40] <marshmn> I really don't care :)
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> 1988 and my vax runs fine :-D
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> slack will go away and irc will persist
[21:42] <ball> irc ftw.
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> in technology very occasionly some things outlast their supposed successors... irc is one of those technologies
[21:43] <marshmn> it's hit the peak I'm afraid
[21:44] <marshmn> only downward from here
[21:44] <marshmn> http://irc.netsplit.de/tmp/networks/stats-freenode-history-uc.png
[21:44]  * ball waves a paw
[21:44] <ball> IRC works for me.
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> will never hit 0. some group/mob will always find it too useful
[21:44] <marshmn> sure
[21:45] <marshmn> it's had a good run
[21:45] <marshmn> but things move on
[21:45] <marshmn> IRC didn't keep up with the times
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> for me it passes the muppet test... you have to learn how to set up a client if you really want to use irc and that keeps out the riff raff :-)
[21:46] <penguin42> irc's big problem is it's bad at intermittent connectivity, which with people using phones and tablets more is a pain
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> i really must configure my rasp pi for connecting to it when i'm out and about on dumbphone... let the pi do the constant connection and scrollback for irc
[21:59] <ball> penguin42: VNC helps with that.
[22:01] <marshmn> lol
[22:01] <penguin42> ball: Using a text protocol over VNC is evil
[22:02]  * penguin42 bounces ball into the 3rd circle of hell for that
[22:02] <marshmn> or just use a protocol that doesn't need all these workarounds :)
[22:05] <ball> penguin42: You could use screen too, if you're a masochist.
[22:06] <penguin42> ball: Well, that's what you should be using for a text protocol - or an irc bouncer
[22:06] <marshmn> or Slack.
[22:06] <penguin42> no, definitely shouldn't be using slack
[22:06] <marshmn> :)
[22:06] <marshmn> depends where your community is
[22:07] <marshmn> Slack, Discord, Gitter
[22:07] <ball> In my case I have some unrelated graphical stuff to run too, so VNC was the right solution.
[22:07] <penguin42> oh in that case I'll move you upto the 2nd level of hell
[22:08] <ball> Thanks! I levelled up! ;-)


[10:41] <SunRaycer> I'm looking for CD booting help.  I already asked on #ubuntu and got no aknowledgement
[10:42] <SunRaycer> The problem is it won't boot.  I just got 7.04 desktop i386 and burned a CD.  The .iso MD5 is fine, as are all the MD5s of the files on the resulting CD.  On boot, I get the menu, and memtest86 works fine, but the CD integrity check and standard boot both fail, dropping me to an ash prompt, claiming "no tty"
[10:44] <SunRaycer> This is a compact HP desktop box, stock, no customization.  It is a 1.7GHz i386 box with slimline CDrom.


[04:34] <mup> PR operator#824 opened: Remove check for existing event on define_event <Created by swalladge> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/824>
[08:21] <mup> PR operator#825 opened: Mbeliaev/precommit <Created by beliaev-maksim> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/825>


[00:02] <sergiusens> rpadovani, you can build reminders with click-buddy as well
[00:03] <rpadovani> sergiusens, this seems a very interesting thing
[00:03] <rpadovani> I'll try on this new image, if it's work no more writable images for me :-)
[00:20] <rpadovani> sergiusens, mhh, doesn't work, tomorrow I'll do a full wipe and try again. Thanks for the help, I'll ping you tomorrow :-)
[00:20] <sergiusens> rpadovani, great; if it's just dev do full wipe; if not, just delete /userdata/.writable-image
[00:21] <sergiusens> or with an underscore; I forget
[00:21] <daker> mhall119: ping
[00:27] <mhall119> daker: pong
[00:28] <daker> mhall119: can you tes a click package for me ?
[00:28] <daker> test*
[00:29] <mhall119> sure, send me a link
[00:29] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/6bFY5Yrl6q7MbPYNmyZTa2
[00:30] <mhall119> daker: webapp or local?
[00:30] <daker> local html5 game
[00:34] <mhall119> daker: speed is great and audio works
[00:34] <mhall119> it doesn't quite fix the screen though
[00:34] <mhall119> http://ubuntuone.com/3UHvf4F5lZmX03O48EosvA
[00:34] <mhall119> and http://ubuntuone.com/02yuoz4VYcagd5iVvdE3mC
[00:35] <daker> can you rotate the phone & refresh ?
[00:35] <mhall119> also, I'd be concerned about legal issues if you put it in the store under your developer account
[00:35] <mhall119> daker: second link above is it rotated
[00:36] <daker> ya it's designed for FF OS 480px i think...
[00:42] <vthompson> hey mhall119 or popey, I see dpm and dholbach aren't on at the moment. I was thinking about proposing an app dev school in my local area (Minneapolis, MN) since I know the LoCo used to be tied to the University of MN. I'm going to contact their mailing list--I've never been a part of our LoCo team. Anything else I should do in proposing an app dev school session? CC anyone?
[00:46] <mhall119> vthompson: blog about it, g+/twitter/facebook about it
[00:46] <mhall119> that's really it
[00:46] <mhall119> get the app dev schools material
[00:47] <vthompson> K, I'm not sure the LoCo is even active any more.  [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297739
[08:17] <mihir> ?
[08:21] <ybon> mihir: not at the moment
[08:22] <ybon> I was expecting that popey would answer your point on the thread
[08:33] <popey> m-b-o: ybon I agree we need design input. ☻
[08:33] <popey> i just wanted to get it recorded that it needs doing
[08:37] <m-b-o> popey dpm: moin! As today is hack day perhaps the open mp can be reviewed? I'm still waiting....
[08:38] <ybon> popey: okay :)
[08:47] <dpm> m-b-o, yes, I've put it in my agenda for today (and sorry for the delay)
[08:56] <nik90> dpm: Can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-1290492-clock/+merge/210321 and https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-qtcreator-device-test/+merge/206690 when you have time?
[08:56] <nik90> dpm: they are both quite small
[08:58] <dpm> nik90, I'll do my best, but I'm a bit busy today with updating scopes documentation on d.u.c. If not today, I can probably do it tomorrow. I'm doing the weather reviews now, though, as I've been promising m-b-o I'd do them for a while
[08:58] <dpm> and the Weather hack day is a good opportunity for that :)
[08:58] <nik90> dpm: no problem :)
[09:01] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-27-090104.png
[09:01] <popey> nik90: i get that on two devices, yet i can login to their site on my laptop browser
[09:02] <nik90> popey: hmm, let me check
[09:18] <nik90> popey: funny thing is the authentication fails for me on the phone. But on trying it on flashback in the desktop, it passed..Puzzled!
[09:25] <nik90> popey: found it! the SHA1 encryption I use generates different results on phone and desktop
[09:25] <nik90> hence the authentication fails
[09:25] <popey> nik90: hah!
[09:31] <dpm> hi mihir, are you around?
[09:35] <mihir> dpm, yes
[09:35] <mihir> popey,  thank you.
[09:35] <mihir> ybon, got it.
[09:35] <mihir> ybon, if you get a time could you please review my MRs ?
[09:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Spanish Paella Day! :-D
[09:36] <popey> mmmmm paella
[09:44] <dpm> hi mihir, sorry, I jumped into a call
[09:44] <dpm> mihir, are you interested in working on some new bugs for Calendar?
[09:44] <mihir> dpm, i am already working..
[09:44] <mihir> i have 3 MRs in reviews.
[09:45] <mihir> review*
[09:46] <dpm> mihir, ok, cool. In any case, if you're looking for something once you're done, here's a list of bugs that came from dogfooding feedback if you'd be interested.
[09:51] <dpm> mihir, added a comment to https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/1248130/+merge/212305
[09:53] <mihir> dpm,  looking into it.
[09:55] <mihir> dpm, i didn't know ybon  is working on that..this task has been assigned to me, so I started working on that.
[10:01] <nik90> mihir: commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/1295941/+merge/212998
[10:03] <mihir> nik90, thank you. Commented back on MR.
[10:04] <nik90> mihir: approved
[10:05] <mihir> nik90, Thanks a lot.
[10:14] <dpm> zsombi, on the DatePicker component, is there a way to change the order of e.g. "26 Saturday" to "Saturday 26" in the day picker? I've read the documentation, but I still cannot quite grasp whether that is hardcoded, modifyable, or set from the locale. The reason I'm asking is because in my locale, the ordering "$DAYNR $DAYNAME" should be the other way around: http://i.imgur.com/JXt1w7N.png
[10:15] <justCarakas> is that datepicker also comming to HTML5 ?
[10:16] <dpm> justCarakas, alex_abreu can probably tell you more when he's online in a few hours
[10:16] <popey> or daker ?
[10:16] <zsombi> dpm: the format and the order is taken from the locale, and seems than in your case Qt returns the wrong default value
[10:18] <dpm> hm, that's weird, it surprises me that the ca locale has wrong ordering and it would have gone unnoticed for so long, but I'll investigate, thanks zsombi!
[10:20] <zsombi> dpm: this is what DatePicker uses to get the format: Qt.locale.dateFormat(Locale.ShortFormat)
[10:21] <zsombi> dpm: try to print it out. if you see the order is right, then we need to check DatePicker
[10:21] <dpm> ok, cool, will try that
[10:28] <mihir> zsombi, why the colors looks weird any idea?
[10:29] <zsombi> mihir: that's a vague question :) define works wrong :)
[10:29] <zsombi> or works weird :D
[10:29] <mihir> zsombi, got it , because in my it shows correctly..need to look at that..
[10:29] <zsombi> ehh... looks weird... I have too many chats :D
[10:31] <dpm> zsombi, is there a way to define the default minute increments in DatePicker? bug 1297725 suggests to use 15 or 30 minute increments to set event times, but after reading the docs I cannot see a way to see the increment in DatePicker other than by the minute
[10:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297725 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Event time selection should be in 30 min increments" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297725
[10:34] <mihir> dpm, i guess we can set the HOURS and TIME
[10:35] <dpm> mihir, how do you mean exactly?
[10:36] <mihir> dpm,   I had set date based on the text box like that..
[10:36] <mihir> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7161994/
[10:36] <mihir> this* , so there should be a way to set time as well.
[10:37] <zsombi> dpm: do we have some visuals for that bug?
[10:37] <zsombi> dpm: I do not see reason to use DatePicker there to be honest...
[10:38] <zsombi> dpm: as that picker would have two tumblers, one for an hour and one for two values in the minutes tumbler, which is insave and visually bad
[10:39] <mihir> zsombi, you meant to say, in setting time ?
[10:40] <zsombi> mihir: yes... I'm looking at the proposal png in the bug
[10:40] <zsombi> its' ugly!
[10:40] <zsombi> two sliders...
[10:40] <dpm> zsombi, we don't have visuals. I don't know how we could actually implement it, that's also why I added my last comment that in any case we'd need a way to specify the individual minutes. I was just wondering if there was any way to set the increment to another value than 1 minute at all in the picker. I think if we want that functionality requested in the bug, we'd need a time picker similar to the one clock uses for alarms
[10:40] <dpm> oh, I hadn't seen the picture!
[10:40]  * dpm looks
[10:41] <mihir> zsombi, agreed.
[10:41] <zsombi> dpm: mihir: I'd suggest you to use one Picker, and put 24hstuff in it with a step of 15mins
[10:41] <mihir> dpm, in that case our old timepicker which has been developed by Kunal will work
[10:41] <zsombi> mihir: the only issue with it is that you have to have it in a popover :/
[10:42] <mihir> zsombi, if you have quick time
[10:42] <mihir> https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/1248130/+merge/212305
[10:42] <zsombi> or you put it inside an Expandable!
[10:42] <zsombi> mihir: that would be much better!
[10:42]  * zsombi looking
[10:42] <justCarakas> thx dpm
[10:43] <mihir> can you look at this MR. just pull it , we just kept date chagne and time is as usual old which was there earlier in Calendar
[10:44] <dpm> zsombi, regarding the question on locale ordering on DatePicker, Qt.locale().dateFormat(Locale.ShortFormat) doesn't seem to be where it's getting it from. That returns "dd/MM/yy"
[10:45] <zsombi> dpm: and isn't that the way DatePicker show th edate? day/month/year?
[10:46] <dpm> zsombi, it shows "day_number day_name" on the day picker
[10:46] <dpm> and I'd expect it to show "day_name day_number"
[10:46] <zsombi> dpm: yes, becaus ethere's enough space for it. Read the doc :)
[10:47] <zsombi> dpm: that's what I said: Qt returns dd/MM/yy so the day is in front, then comes the months and the year.
[10:47] <zsombi> dpm: if you want a different format, try to specify a different locate
[10:48] <zsombi> dpm perhaps some specific config to the locale would do the job...
[10:48] <dpm> zsombi, I get where dd/MM/yy comes from and how it's used, but I still don't understand where the ordering in the dd part comes front
[10:48] <dpm> sorry, *from
[10:50] <zsombi> dpm: you mean the dd/MM ordering? Qt takes those from system defaults. We discussed this with mzanetti some time ago, that the default from Qt is messed up... he might know some upstream bug for that... if there's any
[10:50] <dpm> zsombi, no, I mean just dd
[10:50] <zsombi> dpm: what's wrong with that?
[10:51] <dpm> zsombi, in my locale I should have "Saturday 26", but I'm shown "26 Saturday"
[10:52] <zsombi> dpm: aaaah, now that's a bug! sorry, I didn't got it.
[10:52] <dpm> well, translated that would be "dissabte 26" (expected) vs "26 dissabte" (actual)
[10:52] <zsombi> dpm: DayModel.qml
[10:52] <dpm> ah, ok
[10:52]  * mzanetti doesn't know any upstream bug about this
[10:53] <zsombi> :(
[10:53] <zsombi> dpm: line 78: return Qt.formatDate(thisDate, "dd ") + mainComponent.locale.dayName(thisDate.getDay(), Locale.LongFormat);
[10:53] <mihir> zsombi, any inputs ?
[10:53] <zsombi> dpm: so there's a bug in both DayModel and MonthModel
[10:53] <zsombi> mihir: I am pretty bad in multitasking, sorry :)
[10:54] <dpm> zsombi, ah, yeah, I see it. Will file a bug, thanks for helping getting to the bottom of that!
[10:54] <zsombi> mihir: I'd suggest you to use PickerPanel instead of DatePicker in Dialog
[10:54] <zsombi> dpm: I thank you for finding it :)
[10:55] <zsombi> mihir: we should use PickerPanel for DatePickers whenever possible.
[10:55] <mihir> zsombi, okay...but time picking should be same or we should change it to datepicker ?
[10:55] <zsombi> mihir not gone that far yet
[10:56] <zsombi> mihir: you need those 15 min steps, right?
[10:57] <mihir> it has to be 30 mins..as per bug reported and google calendar
[10:57] <mihir> this is custom timepicker
[10:57] <mihir> developed when there was no picker available in our development kit
[10:59] <zsombi> mihir: well, atm is inconsistent :)
[10:59] <zsombi> mihir: and if you don't need those 30min steps, then you should not use DatePicker at all
[11:00] <mihir> we need that.
[11:00] <zsombi> mihir: but you could use a Picker and a model where you have 24h with 30 min steps
[11:00] <mihir> for changing date we have to use DatePicker anyhow, we are in sceptical for time choosing,
[11:01] <zsombi> mihir: and file a bug, so yuou can use PickerPanel with custom Picker component!
[11:01] <mihir> zsombi, okay got it, so you meant to say, use PickerPanel for choosing Dates & custom timePicker for changing time with gap of 30 mins
[11:01] <mihir> have i got it correctly ?
[11:02] <zsombi> mihir: yes. the timePicker should be a Picker!
[11:02] <mihir> okay
[11:02] <zsombi> mihir: and yet put it in a Popover, not in a dialog
[11:02] <mihir> zsombi, i'll file a bug and thanks a lot for the clarification.
[11:03] <daker> mhall119: yes
[11:03] <zsombi> mihir: welcome!
[11:03] <zsombi> mihir: when you got the bug, give me the ID so I can assign it
[11:03] <daker> popey: thanks mhall119 tested the package for me
[11:03] <zsombi> mihir: and put a FIXME comment in your code, so you know when the bug is done, you can switch to use that
[11:05] <dpm> zsombi, bug 1298306 for the DatePicker day format ordering
[11:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298306 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Do not hardcode ordering of day number and day name in DatePicker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298306
[11:06] <zsombi> dpm: thanx!
[11:07] <zsombi> unbeliveable, I cannot do anything with that bug! LP kicks me out :/
[11:08] <dpm> time out issues? I've been having quite a lot of them in the last few days
[11:10] <mihir> zsombi, bug #1298307
[11:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298307 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "PickerPanel with custom Picker component" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298307
[11:10] <zsombi> mihir: thx!!!
[11:10] <mihir> zsombi, you are welcome :)
[11:11] <mihir> dpm, we can discuss this thing in our today's meeting and can move ahead
[11:11] <mihir> these things*
[11:14] <dpm> mihir, yes. popey, mihir, shall we make the Calendar meeting a hangout today, similarly to what we did with Music?
[11:15] <popey> great idea.
[11:19] <mihir> dpm, at same time ??
[11:19] <mihir> popey, are we gonna get any designer inputs ? we need them.
[11:19] <mihir> because changing after developing would be tedious task , so better we can get inputs and then develop.
[11:22] <daker> popey: it's Cut the rope game
[11:27] <dpm> mihir, yes, that's why I've tagged the bug as 'needs-design' and asked michelR to provide some input. But I'm not sure if he'll be participating in the Calendar meeting
[11:28] <mihir> dpm, are we still open for designer calls ?
[11:28] <dpm> mihir, what do you mean?
[11:28] <mihir> designers for our community  ?
[11:29] <mihir> like developers.
[11:30] <dpm> mihir, you mean if we're open to get more community designers to the team? Absolutely! If you know of any, just let us know
[11:34] <mihir> dpm, sure !!! i'll ask
[12:11] <justCarakas> alex_abreu, do you know what the status of the datepicker for HTML5 is is ?
[12:43] <alex_abreu> justCarakas, we havent started on it yet
[12:44] <justCarakas> alex-abreu: any idea when we can expect it ? and, do we need to replace the datepickers we use in the meantime than with the new datepicker ?
[12:45] <alex-abreu> justCarakas, no eta yet, we will start on new ui bits next week though ... you can definitely use any date picker in the meantime though, no constraints there
[12:47] <justCarakas> k, so I gues there won't be updates to the HTML5 while the app showdown is still open ?
[12:49] <alex-abreu> justCarakas, this is a possiblity  but unlikely at this point, there will be updates to the js API bindings though I think
[12:49] <dpm> popey, do you know what's going on with the review of this app? I'm not really sure I understand his problem: https://plus.google.com/105824122847813147186/posts/1Ca2Ey42wVg
[12:49] <justCarakas> alex-abreu, anyway Im looking forward to it. Its realy nice to work with the UI already but I cant wait till it is more complete
[12:50] <alex-abreu> justCarakas, yes we are working on it, the pieces are coming together
[12:50] <justCarakas> alex-abreu is there a way I can help with it after the app showdown is over ?
[12:52] <popey> dpm: lemme see
[12:52] <popey> dpm: i think dholbach may have bounced it, I don't even know what app it is!
[12:52] <popey> and the website doesn't allow me to search by developer
[12:54] <popey> ah, maybe zbird
[12:54] <alex-abreu> justCarakas, sure any help is welcome
[12:55] <justCarakas> alex-abreu nice :D
[12:56] <popey> dpm: left a comment
[13:00] <dpm> popey, cool, thanks!
[13:17] <tempnickname> Is there a irc channel for questions about the core apps?
[13:20] <popey> tempnickname: you're in it!
[13:30] <tempnickname> popey: thanks!
[13:30] <tempnickname> I'm playing around with music-app, and when I open it I get a message "No Music Found.  Please Import Music and restart the app"
[13:30] <tempnickname> How do I import music?
[13:34] <Mihir> pkunal-parmar: we are having hangout today !
[13:34] <popey> tempnickname: are you using it on the desktop or on a mobile device?
[13:34] <Mihir> popey: will update us with invitation:)
[13:34] <tempnickname> popey: desktop
[13:34] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[13:34] <tempnickname> Back when I was running 13.10 I had it working at some point, but I can't figure it out now
[13:35] <popey> done Mihir
[13:35] <popey> tempnickname: the music needs to be in ~/Music and you need to run mediascanner to find them
[13:35] <tempnickname> Mediascanner, that's it
[13:35] <tempnickname> Thanks
[13:37] <tempnickname> popey: uhhhh, that's the path to mediascanner?
[13:37] <dholbach> popey, dpm, did you resolve the zbird situation?
[13:37] <popey> dholbach: left a comment for the dev
[13:37] <popey> tempnickname: it's called mediascanner-service and once installed it should be in the path
[13:38] <tempnickname> Ok thanks
[13:38] <dholbach> popey, hum... you approved it?
[13:39] <Mihir> join #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[13:39] <popey> dholbach: no
[13:39] <popey> dholbach: sorry, yes.. he removed the bits, didnt he?
[13:43] <dholbach> thanks
[14:03] <Mihir> pkunal-parmar: we are waiting for you !
[14:36] <dholbach> kyleN, dpm, mhall119: I assume you won't have too much time to go through a bunch of ubuntudeveloperportal bugs today?
[14:37] <dpm> dholbach, kyleN and I will be busy with scopes stuff today, unfortunately :(
[14:37] <dholbach> so we push back by a week?
[14:37] <kyleN> dholbach, I apologize but I am extremely busy. can we postpone
[14:37] <dpm> dholbach, sounds good, I should have time if we push it back a week
[14:37] <dholbach> ok cool, will do
[14:39] <dpm> thanks dholbach!
[14:45] <dpm> popey, another dogfooding bug assigned, nice! bug 1280612
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1280612 in Ubuntu Calendar App "do not display map when no location" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280612
[14:46] <dpm> if anyone is up for a trivial review on Calendar to encourage a new contributor, here's a nice opportunity! ^
[14:48] <popey> yay
[15:00] <dholbach> popey, I sent a mail to ubuntu-phone about the security policy groups
[15:00] <timppa> Hi, is there any guides available for doing qml extensions? I cannot get things working anynmore, with the old SDK the way I did things worked..
[15:00] <marcinello> hello
[15:03] <marcinello> dpm: thanks for mentioning :)
[15:03] <dpm> marcinello, thanks for your work!
[15:08] <popey> dholbach: great!
[16:23] <dholbach> mhall119, how could I fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1286651? is that in the theme somewhere which needs to be fixed in bzr?
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1286651 in Ubuntu App Developer site "404 | Community | Developer.Ubuntu.Com" [Undecided,New]
[16:25] <dpm> marcinello, here's another bitesize bug that could be good to look at. Would you be interested in picking this one up? bug 1297463
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297463 in Ubuntu Weather App "App should start with larger window on desktop" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297463
[16:44] <marcinello> dpm: yes, I can take care of that too
[16:44] <dpm> marcinello, excelent! I saw you know how it works, so feel free to assign it to yourself
[16:45] <marcinello> dpm: assigned, thanks
[16:45] <dpm> \o/
[16:49] <blaroche> dpm: i was thinking of looking at bug 1267814, you know of any info setting up google sync with calendar?, it's likey useing syncevolution:
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1267814 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Sync'ed calendar events don't appear at the correct time" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267814
[16:49] <dpm> blaroche, exactly
[16:50] <dpm> blaroche, this is probably one of the most important bugs we've got right now, so if you're interested in that one, that'd be a fix that would really make a difference
[16:51] <dpm> blaroche, if you are on 14.04, you can just set up a google account in system settings > online accounts
[16:52] <dpm> and then tick the Calendar switch
[16:52] <blaroche> i can take it and look at it tonight.  it would be about 6+ hours before i can look into.
[16:52] <dpm> you can easily try it on the desktio
[16:52] <dpm> blaroche, that'd be awesome
[16:52] <dpm> *desktop, I mean
[16:52] <blaroche> ok.  on 14.04 i'll test on desktop, and see what I can find
[16:53] <dpm> blaroche, excellent, please assign the bug to yourself once you start looking at it, so that we can coordinate the work with anyone else willing to help on that one
[16:53] <dpm> and thanks!
[16:53] <blaroche> yw
[17:00]  * popey hugs blaroche
[17:01] <blaroche> thanks popey, i'm going to choose to feel happy about that ;)
[17:02] <popey> :D
[17:24] <dholbach> dpm: I mentioned the hangout on twitter - should we mention it somewhere else as well?
[17:25] <dpm> dholbach, I've just done it on G+ and FB :)
[17:25] <dholbach> for some reason I couldn't post it on the G+ page nor in the G+ community
[17:25] <dholbach> ah great
[17:25]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[17:25] <dholbach> I'll take the dog for a quick walk and brb
[17:25] <dpm> let me do it on the app dev page too, I've only done the g+ community
[17:25] <dpm> ok
[17:26] <dpm> ok, done it on the G+ page now too
[17:58] <dholbach> http://ubuntuonair.com/ is updated now as well
[17:59] <dholbach> ^ in case you're interested in Ubuntu App Dev Schools
[17:59] <belkinsa> You have the session today, right?
[17:59] <dholbach> yeah, we had one yesterday and one in just a few seconds :)
[17:59] <belkinsa> And thanks for looking at my suggestions for the community.ubuntu.com page
[18:00] <dholbach> belkinsa, thanks for bringing them up in the first place
[18:00] <dholbach> it took me a while :)
[18:00] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[18:02] <dholbach> if you have questions, please prefix them with QUESTION: :)
[18:03] <dholbach> if you made it here, you might be interested in this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoRunningAppDevSchool
[18:07] <dholbach> do we have questions so far?
[18:07] <dholbach> technical questions? organisational questions?
[18:08] <belkinsa> I guess I do.
[18:08] <dholbach> belkinsa, nice - what's your question?
[18:08] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Is is possible to do organize a App Development School virtually within the LoCo?
[18:16] <dholbach> any more questions?
[18:29] <micah2> QUESTION: I am going to be giving an introduction to Ubuntu App Development lesson at LinuxFest Northwest (A big linux conference in Bellingham, Washington, USA). What is the best way for me to promote this session to the existing Ubuntu community? A fair bit of the marketing is already done since it is at an established conference.
[18:32] <micah2> cool ideas, thanks, guys!
[18:33] <dholbach> rock on! :)
[18:33] <dbarth> micah2: just mention jono, dholbach or dpm in a tweet
[18:33] <dholbach> that might work as well ;-)
[18:33] <dbarth> micah2: then the world will know about your event ;)
[18:33] <dholbach> or @ubuntuappdev
[18:34] <jono> micah2, happy to promote it :-)
[18:34] <dholbach> thanks a bunch! :)
[18:34] <micah2> thanks, jono
[18:34] <jono> micah2, just mail me the details
[18:35] <jono> brb
[18:35] <micah2> jono, will do
[18:37] <dpm> micah2, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoRunningAppDevSchool
[18:38] <micah2> popey, for the presentation I'm going to do on Ubuntu app development, I was thinking of walking through the code of an app like Stallboard. Is the source for Stallboard available on Launchpad?
[18:38] <dpm> micah2, and make sure that your event is in the app dev schools world map: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2677/
[18:38] <dpm> if you need any help, ping me or dholbach
[18:38] <popey> micah2: no, but it's just a fork of https://launchpad.net/animal-farm
[18:39] <micah2> okay, good to know. Maybe I should make a Lunduke board.
[18:40] <micah2> BTW, popey, thank you for Stallboard. It is lots of fun surprising my wife with the sound of Stallman declaring "this is egregious" :)
[18:40] <popey> lol
[18:41] <micah2> dpm, I'll put the event on the map. I've looked around the LocoRunningAppDevSchool site, I'll consider if some of it will fit into my 50 minute window.
[18:44] <dpm> micah2, cool!
[18:45] <dpm> micah2, feel free to pick any content from the presentation materials, I'm sure you can reuse part of it for your 50 mins presentation
[18:47] <micah2> dpm, how do I add my event to the app dev schools world map? Do I have to be a member of a LoCo?
[18:50] <dpm> micah2, yes, although if there is no one from a LoCo around, perhaps mhall119 as an admin of the LoCo site can help you add your event
[18:50] <micah2> I'll send him the details later and ask him to add it.
[18:51] <dpm> micah2, excellent!
[18:51] <micah2> thanks for all the guidance, dpm
[18:52] <dpm> no worries, looking forward to seeing up there, it will not only give it visibility, it will also encourage other teams!
[19:03] <roman2861> 23:00 in Saint-Petersburg, too late for questions:)
[19:46] <elopio> renato: thanks for merging my address book branch.
[19:47] <elopio> renato: can I get a review on the other two?
[19:47] <renato> elopio, which one?
[19:47] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/address-book-app/fill_form-professional/+merge/208929
[19:47] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/address-book-app/fill_form-profesional-update/+merge/208930
[19:49] <elopio> renato: those two ^
[19:49] <renato> good,
[19:49] <elopio> I've already merged then with trunk.
[19:49] <renato> I am about to release a new version of the address-book-app
[19:49] <renato> I will check those after
[19:51] <elopio> renato: thanks.
[20:52] <rpadovani> sergiusens, I want to cry :( I did a full bootstrap of my device, but click-buddy doesn't work. What do I do wrong?


[00:12]  * paultag waves to Rocket2DMn
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> o/ paultag
[05:43] <ano538> Just wanted to announce that on natty 11.04 all broadcom drivers ignore channel 13 (and probably also channel 12) at least on broadcom BCM43225.
[05:43] <ano538> This was not the case on 10.10
[05:45] <ano538> everything works fine when changed access point channel from13 to 9
[05:45] <ano538> lost wifi with upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 and took over a week and some 30 hours to come up with this reason
[06:28] <Captainkrtek> hello
[11:19] <duncan-nz> I can't see how to file a bug against thew wubi installer - anyone?
[11:20] <micahg> duncan-nz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi
[11:22] <duncan-nz> micahg: so it's not tracked inside the Ubuntu project?
[11:22] <yofel> no, as it's not a package in the ubuntu archive
[11:23] <duncan-nz> yofel: Oh, I guess you're right strictly speaking - gotta get my head around that.. Thanks.
[15:40] <JoshuaL> Can someone look into bug 780479, to me it seems pretty important
[15:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 780479 in ubuntu "missing debug symbols for hardy (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780479
[15:45] <yofel> as a matter of fact, it doesn't list dapper either (though one can probably live with that)
[15:47] <yofel> hm, though that probably never had any -dbgsyms
[16:28] <yofel> JoshuaL: as  nobody seems to have an idea, send a mail to the ML, that should turn someone up that knows where that should go to
[17:04] <JoshuaL> yofel, will do
[17:57] <micahg> JoshuaL: FYI, package version updates should be tagged upgrade-software-version, not needs-packaging
[18:44] <JoshuaL> micahg, im sorry, thanks for the info
[20:50] <njin> cajn someone suggest me something about bug  743999 ,thanks
[20:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 743999 in ubuntu "11.04 conflict between xfce4-notifyd and notification-daemon prevents upgrade to 11.04 from 10.10 (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743999
[20:52] <micahg> njin: duplicate
[20:52] <micahg> bug 737324
[20:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 737324 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 5 other projects) "xubuntu-desktop conflicted with ubuntu-desktop in natty (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 81)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737324
[20:53] <njin> micahg: hello, many thanks as usual
[21:13] <zub> Hi. Possibly OT, but... I'm looking for that patch that resolved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/perl/+bug/739693
[21:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 739693 in perl (Debian) (and 3 other projects) "Configure does not find libs in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu (affects: 1) (heat: 73)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[21:13] <zub> I don't see any patch mentioned on the page.
[21:14] <zub> I tried apt-get source perl and looked into perl-5.10.1/debian/patches
[21:14] <zub> and I can't find it there (it might be there, but I just don't see which one is it)
[21:15] <zub> grepping for 739693 didn't help much, in fact I can see the bug mentioned only in the changelong file
[21:20] <ansgar> zub: The changelog entry refers to debian/config.debian.
[21:21] <zub> ansgar: ah true, so no patch
[21:21] <zub> thanks
[21:22] <zub> if I want to see the change, I have to get the older version of the package and diff... or is there another way?
[21:22] <arand> zub: You can always see the debdiff.. but no chenges in the actual source I would guess
[21:23] <arand> zub: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/perl/oneiric/revision/45
[21:23] <zub> ah, cool


[10:42] <djszapi> slangasek: why is that if I have two upstart jobs, like triggered for this event: start on stopped udevtrigger and none of those beings if one of the usb-serial port they depend on not available ?
[10:42] <djszapi> I would kinda hope for, just one of them fails.


[16:01]  * Pendulum is sending an e-mail to another NGO to see if they have any interest in talking about open source in their work
[16:01] <Pendulum> I have no idea if they use open source at all, but I'd suspect they at least use Firefox or something


[03:21] <JollyRgrs> anyone else use OpenConnect or know why it is installed but doesn't show up in network-manager GUI (it operates fine from terminal)
[15:28] <mhall119> ahoneybun: how's Akademy?


[19:17] <ali1234> apport is giving me problems :(
[19:17] <ali1234> gvfsd is crashing. it makes a crash in /var/crash, but then apport never processes it. it pops up the crash window, but it has no continue button
[19:17] <ali1234> and no "details" button. no buttons at all in fact
[19:17] <ali1234> so i can't examine the crash


[01:43] <billybigrigger> anyone here listen to Deadmau5?
[01:44] <billybigrigger> just been listening to their new album today, love it, never listened to them before but it's good shite
[01:44] <billybigrigger> thank you need for speed ost :)


[08:11] <cub> I've run a lot of tests, but not much success for the screen reader support so far.
[09:07]  * cub broke his saucy :(
[09:07] <knome> oi! don't break it!
[09:08] <cub> stupid. I installed Gnome to try out Orca. Then removed Gnome again but something else probably was removed as well.
[09:08] <cub> Well, it's not entirely broken. Just won't start xmir again. :P and well, other stuff I haven't noticed yet
[09:29]  * cub thought adding Orca would be easy since it's in the repos
[09:29] <knome> my experience about accessibility stuff is that it's never easy, and unfortunately, rarely works
[09:30] <cub> it seems so. Perhaps better to get Vinux to include the low-latency kernel instead. ;)
[09:31] <cub> the Ubuntu Accessibility team seems to have ceased to exist. At least they are very hard to reach.
[09:31] <knome> heh
[09:31] <xequence> cub: There's one guy who does some work on that
[09:31] <xequence> he used to be a ubuntu studio team member
[09:31] <cub> yes Luke.
[09:31] <xequence> yes
[09:31] <xequence> themuso is his nickname
[09:32] <knome> yes, that
[09:32] <xequence> you can find him on #pulseaudio too
[09:32] <cub> I tried to ping him on IRC. Now I emailed the list, but if no answer there I will try to email him directly.
[09:32] <xequence> He can be a bit slow at answering sometimes :)
[09:33] <cub> there is too many factors so far. Is it not working because I'm doing something wrong, or is it a xfce issue, or a saucy issue, or an Orca issue, or all of the above? :P
[09:34] <xequence> Did you try a clean install of regular UBuntu?
[09:34] <cub> I've tried different version of US, Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Debian Wheezy with Xfce
[09:34] <xequence> this stuff should work from a VM, no?
[09:34] <cub> xequence, yes, it somewhat worked but didn't read things correct.
[09:34] <xequence> easier to manage a VM. take a snapshot, and you can roll back changes
[09:35] <cub> yes, last test I have been running in VM. But since it didn't work at first I tried on a real installation just to rule out if it was a VM issue
[09:35] <xequence> ah, if it's not fully working, then it's probably not a good idea then
[09:35] <knome> xmir won't run in a VM afaik
[09:35] <cub> best results so far: Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and Debian Wheezy.
[09:36] <cub> no the xmir I run on my eee pc installation.
[09:36] <knome> :)
[09:36] <cub> well, did, until I broke it. :P
[09:36] <knome> haha
[09:36] <cub> the common thing with US 12.04 and Debian Wheezy is Xfce 4.8. That might be it.
[09:37] <cub> how does it work with Feature Freeze? Could one get an app included and still work out the kinks with it until release?
[09:38] <knome> sure, bug fixes will be allowed after FF
[09:38]  * cub also wonders if he is doing a lot of work only to provide accessibility for one person...
[09:39] <cub> Is there any documentation on how I go about to get like Orca icluded?
[09:40] <xequence> cub: we just add it to our seed file
[09:41] <xequence> cub: seed files include all the applications that get preinstalled on the ISO
[09:42] <xequence> cub: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[09:42] <cub> xequence, but someone has to do some magic to get it into the seed file?
[09:42] <xequence> cub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds
[09:43] <cub> ah tnx
[09:43] <xequence> you get the source. add/remove one item, make a commit
[09:43] <xequence> in your case, you'll need to upload to your own branch and make a merge request
[09:45] <xequence> bzr push lp:~<username>/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[09:45] <xequence> I think that should work
[09:45] <xequence> then make a merge request
[09:46] <xequence> cub: One commit per change. Once you're done, push the code
[09:47] <xequence> cub: I should add you to the contributors team
[09:47] <cub> I'll read up and give it a go.
[09:48] <xequence> cub: What's your LP name?
[09:48] <cub> xequence, jimmy-sjolund
[09:48] <cub> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cub
[09:52] <xequence> cub: I added you to two teams, ~ubuntustudio, which is a user team, and ~ubuntustudio-contributors, which is like junior devs
[09:53] <cub> Nice, thank you.
[09:55] <xequence> cub: I added a seed branch for contributors
[09:55] <cub> ok
[09:55] <xequence> cub: so, if you didn't already get the source, you could get this one instead
[09:55] <xequence> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-contributors
[09:56] <xequence> bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-contributors/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[09:56] <xequence> then when you push, just do: bzr push
[09:56] <xequence> Just e
[09:56] <xequence> sorry
[09:56] <xequence> easier to work that way, I think
[09:57] <xequence> since all contributors and devs will have access to those branches
[09:57] <cub> we'll see what I'll manage to set up then. :)
[10:01] <xequence> cub: In order to push code, you need to have your ssh key both in LP and your ~/.ssh folder - usually id_rsa
[10:01] <xequence> well, the public keay goes to LP
[10:02] <xequence> which is id_rsa.pub
[10:02] <xequence> you could also do: bzr login-launchpad jimmys-sjolund, but it's not strictly needed
[10:03] <xequence> never ever publish the private key of course (id_rsa)
[10:04] <cub> yeah, it was part of the devel setup
[10:05] <xequence> yes, but just reminding just in case :)
[11:28] <smartboyhw> xequence, still at DebConf?
[11:34] <xequence> smartboyhw: Last day was saturday
[11:35] <xequence> I'm still in Switzerland though
[11:35] <xequence> going back tomorrow
[11:52] <smartboyhw> xequence, oh
[11:52] <smartboyhw> xequence, so, what's your experience?
[12:13] <xequence> smartboyhw: I got a good idea of how things work
[12:13] <xequence> that was my first reason to go
[12:13] <smartboyhw> xequence, great:)
[12:14] <xequence> the other to get involved with the Debian Multimedia Blend
[12:14] <smartboyhw> xequence, yeah, I hope to see your great creation soon:P
[12:14] <smartboyhw> xequence, eh, we need to start 12.04.3 testing soon
[12:17] <cub> smartboyhw, is the release this week?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Thursday
[12:18] <smartboyhw> We can get it out easily
[12:18] <cub> how can we test it?
[12:19] <smartboyhw> cub, just test the live session and install the ISO
[12:19] <smartboyhw> And report it at iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[12:19] <smartboyhw> it = test results
[12:19] <smartboyhw> Check out wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[12:20]  * smartboyhw is sort of an expert in ISO testing:P
[12:20] <cub> I'm not. I can't even find the iso
[12:20] <smartboyhw> cub, I will send an email to devel and users mailing list tmr
[12:20] <smartboyhw> That will teach you 1. where to get it
[12:20] <smartboyhw> 2. How
[12:20] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:21] <cub> but in reality, two days of testing seem a bit short. :P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> cub, well, yeah, but that's ALWAYS the case.
[12:21] <smartboyhw> That's why Ubuntu is relatively buggier than others:P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> (All Linux distros are buggy, but some are more buggy than others -- Maxim)
[12:23] <cub> that's not good. We wouldn't want to break things for LTS users (or any user for that matter)
[12:49] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Unfortunately, that's what happens.
[12:51] <cub> How come? Because the release was not available until late? Or because everyone has been too busy to look at it?
[13:00] <DarkEra> not that i can do anything but what's up with the failing iso's since the last couple of days
[13:01] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, package problems.
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Actually, conflicts
[13:01] <DarkEra> that much?
[13:02] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, yes, frankly
[13:03] <DarkEra> 6 days in a row isn't good
[13:03] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, because we haven't got time to fix it...
[13:03] <cub> Isn't there a limit on how many days in a row it can go on before the iso is dropped or something?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> cub, DarkEra: No...
[13:04] <smartboyhw> I'm asking the Ubuntu Release Team for help
[13:04] <cub> No? I thought I remember someone saying that when the build was failing the last time
[13:05] <smartboyhw> cub, well if there's a problem with it before release then it won't be released
[13:06] <smartboyhw> But, we can still solve it well before Beta 1.
[13:11] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, i see
[13:11] <DarkEra> got to go, might be back later again
[13:38] <xequence> smartboyhw: the problem with our ISOs is most probably the libav packages
[13:38] <xequence> new ones should appear there shortly
[13:38] <smartboyhw> xequence, great:)
[13:38] <xequence> there's libav and libav-extra. one of them is the wrong version, I think
[13:40] <smartboyhw> xequence, thank you:)
[23:02] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )


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