[00:02] <cknite> .
[00:02] <cknite> thanks valorie
[00:02] <cknite> looks to be a problem with Plasma/Kwin's compositer w/ a legacy nvidia driver for a 9800GT card
[00:03] <cknite> i'm just hoping some of this may be solved in the newer plasma releases
[00:03] <valorie> you could download a daily Wily ISO I think, to test?
[00:04] <valorie> I believe the qa site has links to them, and testing is always welcome
[02:03] <lijunxinyuai> 这么多人
[02:46] <Wasserstoff> Hi friends
[02:47] <Wasserstoff> I'm trying to install kubuntu 15.04 on a new computer
[02:47] <Wasserstoff> with windows 8.1.  It chugs along for a wihle and then says "executing grub-install /dev/sda failed
[02:47] <Wasserstoff> this is a fatal error.. blah blah blah..." and implodes
[02:59] <Wasserstoff> ah
[02:59] <Wasserstoff> it was a PEBWAC
[03:00] <Wasserstoff> Tried to put grub on the wrong hd
[03:51] <mdiehl> Hi all.
[03:52] <mdiehl> I just installed kubuntu 14.x.  But none of the windows have any frames, so I can't move them on the screen.  Any one seen that before?
[03:54] <mdiehl> It's a pretty limited box, if that's related.
[04:03] <eptin> Hi
[04:03] <eptin> is there anybody else having an issue where the screen does not return after a screen power saving ?
[04:04] <eptin> I can go to tty1 and type in the terminal normally, but my tty7 does not comeback
[04:04] <beepie> eptin, sounds like an dpms issue
[04:05] <eptin> is there any work around for it ?
[04:05] <beepie> eptin, no clue
[04:05] <eptin> beepie: I've been looking online for this, but so far no luck
[04:05] <beepie> eptin, maybe you want to google dpms
[04:06] <beepie> eptin, i'd check to see if acpid is installed
[04:06] <beepie> eptin, there must be full of hints online
[04:06] <eptin> beepie: ok cool, thank you so much
[04:06] <beepie> eptin, you got "dpms", "acpi", and "power-saving"
[04:07] <eptin> beepie: I'm gonna look into it
[04:07] <beepie> eptin, these are keyterms i'd search against the ubuntu wiki .. power-saving are difficult to resolve
[04:07] <beepie> eptin, i'm no smartass, maybe someone else here might be familiar on this
[04:08] <beepie> eptin, but power-saving is "difficult" to resolve -- it's a case-by-case
[04:08] <eptin> beepie: I see, at first glance I though that was something related with a new kernel version
[04:08] <eptin> beepie: but I don't think so anymore
[04:08] <mdiehl> Could my window frame issue be related to having 512Mb of ram?
[04:09] <eptin> beepie: my screen is a 4k display, maybe this display does not work properly yet on linux
[04:12] <beepie> eptin, no clue.
[04:12] <eptin> I'm gonna try a workaround, if I don't comeback in 1 minute that has failed :(
[04:12] <beepie> eptin, what's the monitor?
[04:12] <beepie> eptin, as i've read something of 4k support recently
[04:12] <eptin> beepie: U28D590D - Samsung UHD 28”
[04:14] <beepie> eptin, i believe your problem is more related to the video card driver
[04:14] <beepie> eptin, i can't determine this remotely
[04:14] <eptin> beepie: I'm using the recommend nvidia driver
[04:15] <eptin> beepie: but to use the latest version would require me to keep the driver installed manually, right ?
[04:15] <eptin> everytime there is a new kernel version, I'd need to recompile/install the driver
[04:16] <eptin> right ?
[06:55] <patrik_> test
[06:55] <patrik_> Hi, I ve no working wlan anymore after dist-upgrade!
[06:55] <patrik_>  uname -a
[06:55] <patrik_> Linux mac 3.13.0-57-generic #95-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 19 09:28:15 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:55] <patrik_> lspci -nn | grep 0280
[06:55] <patrik_> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:43a0] (rev 03)
[06:55] <patrik_> dmesg | grep wl
[06:55] <patrik_> [    7.286529] wl: module license 'MIXED/Proprietary' taints kernel.
[06:55] <patrik_> [    7.288347] wl: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel
[06:55] <patrik_> [    7.288512] wl: Unknown symbol mcount (err 0)
[06:55] <patrik_> [    7.423039] wl: Unknown symbol mcount (err 0)
[06:56] <patrik_> sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source
[06:56] <patrik_> wl:
[06:56] <patrik_> Running module version sanity check.
[06:56] <patrik_>  - Original module
[06:56] <patrik_>    - No original module exists within this kernel
[06:56] <patrik_>  - Installation
[06:56] <patrik_>    - Installing to /lib/modules/3.13.0-57-generic/updates/dkms/
[06:56] <patrik_> depmod....
[06:56] <patrik_> DKMS: install completed.
[06:56] <patrik_> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'wl': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:57] <soee> lordievader: ^ can you help here
[06:58] <patrik_> Thanks!
[07:14] <lordievader> !pm | patrik_
[07:15] <lordievader> Reinstall wl?
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning, by the by.
[07:27] <beepie> lordievader, goodmorning
[07:27] <lordievader> Hey beepie
[07:28] <beepie> lordievader, i have a little doll action figure of 4 inches -- a baby darth vader -- i keep him stationary on my shelf -- reminds me of my piggy bank
[07:28] <beepie> tehe
[07:28] <beepie> "piggy bank"
[07:28] <lordievader> Hehe, nice.
[07:28] <beepie> except the vader doesn't crack when i knock it off the shelf
[07:28]  * beepie places baby vader back on the shelf
[07:28] <beepie> true they sell that at futureshop
[07:28] <beepie> makes great for the car head mirror
[07:29] <beepie> eeep
[07:29]  * beepie crashes
[07:29] <beepie> lol
[07:43] <patrik_> Hi, I'm new to IRC, how can I get help here?
[07:45] <lordievader> patrik_: By asking your question ;)
[07:45] <patrik_> ;-)
[07:45] <patrik_> Hi, I ve no working wlan anymore after dist-upgrade!
[07:46] <patrik_> no wireless extension anymore, the module is not loading...
[07:46] <patrik_> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'wl': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[07:46] <lordievader> 14-09:14 < lordievader> Reinstall wl?
[07:51] <patrik_> what's the package name?
[07:53] <lordievader> patrik_: bcmwl-kernel-source
[07:53] <lordievader> Also see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Installing_STA_drivers
[07:53] <patrik_> When I reinstall I get the posted error.
[07:54] <lordievader> Where is your kernel coming from?
[07:55] <patrik_> normal repo: 3.13.0-57-generic #95-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 19 09:28:15 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:55] <lordievader> Hmm, the problem is the module is signed with a different key than the kernel has.
[07:55] <lordievader> [    7.288347] wl: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel
[07:56] <patrik_> How can I solve this?
[07:57] <lordievader> I'd boot into a previous (working) kernel and file a bug against the Broadcom package.
[08:00] <patrik_> Yes, with previous kernels, wlan was working, until I started playing around with the /etc/modules /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.ocnf files :-(
[08:00] <patrik_> So no version is working right now.
[08:06] <lordievader> Did you blacklist wl?
[08:07] <patrik_> No
[08:09] <lordievader> So what did you do?
[08:09] <lordievader> Delete the signing key?
[08:09] <patrik_> I did modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac
[08:12] <lordievader> Do you have any of those modules?
[08:14] <patrik_> no, not found with lsmod
[08:15] <lordievader> So why would you run that command then?
[08:15] <patrik_> I found it in a forum yesterday and tried it out
[08:16] <lordievader> Please don't just randomly copy and paste commands. Especially not when sudo or root is involved.
[08:17] <patrik_> Right, so you think I've to reinstall to fix the problem?
[08:18] <lordievader> No, reinstall your kernel first.
[08:18] <lordievader> What did you edit in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf?
[08:20] <patrik_> I deleted (moved) it and reinstalled bcmwl-kernel-sources and now it looks like this:
[08:20] <patrik_> cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf
[08:20] <patrik_> # Warning: This file is autogenerated by bcmwl. All changes to this file will be lost.
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist b43
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist b43legacy
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist ssb
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist bcm43xx
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist brcm80211
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist brcmfmac
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist brcmsmac
[08:20] <patrik_> blacklist bcma
[08:20] <lordievader> !paste | patrik_
[08:20] <patrik_> i also tried to add 'wl'  to /etc/modlues
[08:21] <patrik_> but I removed already
[08:21] <lordievader> Revert your changes and reinstall the kernel.
[08:22] <patrik_> I did already, no success, and now the wlan is not worling for the previous kernels as well
[08:22] <lordievader> How did you reinstall the kernel?
[08:23] <patrik_> apt-get remove linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>* and installed again
[08:24] <patrik_> I did this from <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:25] <lordievader> Headers? sudo apt-get remove linux-image{-extra}-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic && sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic
[08:39] <patrik_> hmm, no success
[08:40] <patrik_> reinstalling bcmwl-kernel-sources still failes
[08:41] <lordievader> patrik_: Have you rebooted to that kernel?
[08:43] <patrik_> yes
[08:45] <lordievader> patrik_: You could try: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2238898&s=9d0cdc2477bc8df17ffcf065775367eb&p=13095143#post13095143
[08:46] <patrik_> I've no net connection
[08:47] <patrik_> I'll try later...thanks!
[10:30] <jubo2> Hello. Hello and Thanks, Thanks for the best look-and-feel out-of-box Kubuntu15 OS
[10:30] <jubo2> Now I wish I can ask for feature without getting everyone angry on me for not submitting any pull-requests
[10:31] <jubo2> "A way to raise all terminal windows with one click"
[10:32] <jubo2> it is i-d-i-o-t-i-c that I need to click many times to get some set of terminal windows raised to top of window stack
[10:32] <jubo2> 'tis maybe why the non-pull-request-submitting people receive sometimes bannhammerage from technocrats
[10:34] <jubo2> I explain my #1st line.. by out-of-box I mean that as an unmodified GNU/Linukka the Kubuntu15 has the best look-and-feel
[10:34] <jubo2> and feel is also about feeling the system perform and operate reliably
[10:37] <Haudegen> We are an KDE/Kubuntu shop. The people around me are talking about the future of Kubuntu and the rumours about Wily being the last Kubuntu version. Then there are the stability problems with Plasma 5 - I'm totally aware that it's intirely our own fault and we should be using LTS only. We have a lot of processes building on the apt system and AFAIK it's unsure if, when, and how Kubuntu's migration to snappy will happen. There is pressure to switch to the "
[10:37] <Haudegen> save harbor" of Debian/KDE. My question: is there some kind of official statement regarding Kubuntu's future? I'm interested in the project's management prospects and the technical outlook respectively.  Thank you for your comments.
[10:43] <lordievader> Haudegen: Unfortunately there is not. The issue is that the KCC and the UC were at odd. These differences could mean that Wily will be the last Kubuntu version. Hopefully that ain't the case though.
[10:44] <Haudegen> lordievader: How would assess the situation personally?
[10:45] <Haudegen> lordievader: How would you...
[10:46] <yossarianuk> lordievader: I really hope not - its been my main work/home desktop for years.
[10:47] <yossarianuk> Re-basing  on Debian and becoming the de-facto Debian KDE distro could be good though.....
[10:48] <yossarianuk> you really only have neptuneos to compete with
[10:48] <lordievader> Haudegen: I try not to form an opinion on the matter. I feel that I am too much on the outside to know all the facts.
[10:49] <lordievader> I'd hope to community, at the very least, remains.
[10:49] <Haudegen> lordievader: I really hope Riddell will comment on the state of affairs soon.  There's a lot of FUD around.
[10:50] <Haudegen> lordievader: Yeah, community is cool.  But a stable upgrade path is necessary, too.
[10:50] <lordievader> Haudegen: Different people, different intrests ;)
[10:50] <Riddell> Haudegen: there's not much to say, we'll consider the options at wily release time
[10:51] <Haudegen> Riddell: Is your relationship with Blue Systems affected by the UC situation?
[10:52] <Riddell> Haudegen: blue systems just wants a nice community kde distro
[10:52] <Riddell> a lot of things in ubuntu aren't that nice any more
[10:53] <Haudegen> Riddell: Yes, that's my impression, too.  Is there information about Netrunner's future?
[10:58] <Riddell> Haudegen: it also wants a nice community kde distro to derive from
[11:01] <Haudegen> Riddell: For sure.  But for them it hasn't to be a Debian based distribution necessarily, I assume.
[11:01] <Haudegen> Do they still have the rolling distro based on Arch?
[11:01] <Riddell> Haudegen: they have an arch version too I believe but that's been scaled back because it turns out arch is crap
[11:01] <Riddell> (don't quote me on that)
[11:02] <Haudegen> Riddell: :)
[11:02] <lordievader> :P
[11:03] <lordievader> My friends tell me Arch breaks after a while if left alone.
[11:05] <TJ-> What's the best way to contribute to coding, at the deep end? Last time I submitted patches for a multi-GPU issue they were NACKed but no guidance provided on the proper way to fix the issue, so I walked away. I find the biggest challenge is figuring out how the (unintuitive) named bits inter-relate.
[11:05] <soee> Riddell: ^
[11:06] <soee> TJ-: maybe jump to #kubutnu-devel if you ar einterested with coding etc.
[11:06] <soee> #kubuntu-devel
[11:06] <TJ-> I've been working in the kernel for years and use KDE4 as my desktop with a very complex 3xGPU, 6xmonitor config and that's an area I'd like to work 100% correctly, and doesn't currently.
[11:06] <lordievader> I hear Kubuntu can allways use packagers ;)
[11:07] <TJ-> soee: I sit in #kde-devel but a lot of it goes over my head simply because I lack context/history
[11:07] <lordievader> TJ-: #kde-devel would also be a good channel to ask.
[11:07] <Riddell> TJ-: find a bug and fix it
[11:07] <TJ-> lordievader: pffft @ packaging ... that's boring :)
[11:07] <soee> ;D
[11:07] <Riddell> TJ-: kubuntu doesn't have any bits of software, we prefer to work upstream, our installer could always do with some love if you like python :)
[11:07] <TJ-> Riddell: I tried! it was NACKed with no guidance on how best to achieve it!
[11:08] <Riddell> TJ-: and we do packaging otherwise
[11:08] <TJ-> Riddell: I prefer C/C++ but I can turn my hand to anything
[11:08] <lordievader> Is Ubiquity python2 or python3?
[11:08] <Riddell> lordievader: 2
[11:08] <Riddell> I think
[11:08] <Riddell> maybe it's been ported to 3 actually I forget
[11:08] <soee> TJ-: there is also #plasma
[11:08] <Riddell> TJ-: fix our langage pack install feature :)
[11:08] <lordievader> Would be about time to port it if it isn't already.
[11:09] <Riddell> TJ-: the trick is to find a friendly community, most kernel projects don't have the best reputation there but I've had no experience myself
[11:09] <TJ-> Riddell: OK ... if you'll (help me) fix the multi-X-screen lockscreen issue :D
[11:09] <soee> TJ-: why not trying Plasma 5 ? :)
[11:10] <TJ-> soee: I may do, but I prefer a stable release for obvious reasons
[11:11] <lordievader> But plasma5 is what the cool kids use :P
[11:12] <soee> 5.3.2 is pretty damn good :)
[11:12] <TJ-> lordievader: I think you need to invert your description: the hot and sweaty kids use :)
[11:12] <TJ-> bug #1264821
[11:12] <soee> nad looks liek 5.4 will be the first release i can say 'its stable'
[11:13] <TJ-> "Unfortunately multi-head support is not implemented in the lock screen infrastructure and I consider it as unlikely that we will implement it any time soon" - Mgraesslin, comment #19
[11:14] <lordievader> TJ-: Mgraesslin usually hangs out in #plasma, you could talk to him.
[11:14] <soee> +1
[11:18] <TJ-> lordievader: I guess I'll need to spend some time looking at the current development HEAD to get a feel for it again, it's a couple of years since I produced that patch
[11:23] <archetech> 15.04 > 15.10 upgrade went ok on vbox v5.0 vm
[11:24] <serj96> hi all
[11:24] <archetech> except sddm doesnt come up   have to login and run startx
[11:25] <serj96> how can i change the theme of access on kubuntu 15.04?
[11:27] <archetech> sddm service is  marked dead
[11:29] <lordievader> archetech: sudo systemctl enable sddm; then restart.
[11:30] <zxsinclair> serj96: I think you mean the login theme?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:05] <linux_> .
[13:20] <regedit> what is the command to restart the display - NOT the whole desktop manager (sddm), rather like what happens when i change System Settings > Display & Monitor and it flashes the screen
[13:21] <regedit> so rendering of graphics restart, but i dont lose any of my session
[13:35] <lordievader> regedit: sudo systemctl restart sddm?
[13:35] <regedit> lordievader: that's exactly what I was trying to exclude - because that kills the whole session too
[13:35] <regedit> all open applications & all
[13:36] <lordievader> Yeah, if you kill X everything requiring X dies.
[13:36] <lordievader> But you probably only want to restart kwin: kwin --replace
[13:36] <regedit> so what does System Settings > Display & monitor do?
[13:37] <regedit> when it adjusts display settings
[13:37] <regedit> lordievader: hm ok i shall try that
[13:37] <regedit> although are you sure that's not the "win"dows manager for (k)DE ? it wont kill all the windows?
[13:38] <lordievader> It lets you configure the display & monitor settings?
[13:38] <lordievader> kwin is the window manager.
[13:40] <regedit> System Settings > Display & Monitor, if i change something like resolution or multi-monitor positions, it restarts the video/graphics rendering somehow and does not lose my session
[13:40] <regedit> trying to figure out what is the command that does that
[13:40] <lordievader> That is Kscreen/xrandr changing the resolution? What is so strange about that?
[13:44] <rom1504> Hi
[13:44] <lordievader> o/
[13:44] <rom1504> anybody made nvidia prime work with kubuntu ?
[13:45] <rom1504> I tried everything, still getting that black screen at boot
[13:45] <rom1504> (well at login precisely)
[13:45] <regedit> lordievader: ok so how do i trigger that "reset/refresh" to the display?
[13:45] <lordievader> regedit: What do you mean exactly?
[13:45] <regedit> lordievader: such as what happens when i change resolution or such
[13:46] <lordievader> That is not a refresh, you actually set some new settings.
[13:46] <lordievader> xrandr can do that for you.
[13:47] <regedit> lordievader: but when those new settings are set, something happens that goes "alright now, lets shutoff and restart display rendering to begin these new settings"
[13:47] <regedit> lordievader: is it possible to do just that restart/refresh of the display?
[13:48] <lordievader> Err, I suppose you could set the same resolution with xrandr. But why?
[13:51] <regedit> lordievader: because Kubuntu acts up sometimes is why
[13:51] <regedit> bad hotplugging handling
[13:51] <regedit> meaning HDMI plugging/unplugging during a session
[13:52] <regedit> resulting in horrid triangles of mangled graphics dancing all over my screens
[14:07] <ahoneybun> regedit: are you using nvidia drivers?
[14:08] <regedit> ahoneybun: yep
[14:08] <ahoneybun> same here, I have not installed any drivers with this install
[14:08] <regedit> ahoneybun: what, horrid triangles?
[14:08] <ahoneybun> seems to be a common thing with NVIDIA and Kubuntu15.04
[14:09] <ahoneybun> let me get a screenshot I took when it happened to me
[14:10] <ahoneybun> like this regedit? : http://imgur.com/9sfn0WT
[14:10] <regedit> ahoneybun: yup :D except maybe much horrid-er
[14:10] <regedit> all across the screen, many more triangles of many more applications mangled into each other
[14:11] <ahoneybun> I can't say for sure if it is the Nvidia driver, because if it is it would happen in every version of Ubuntu not just Kubuntu
[14:11] <ahoneybun> I usually kill Xorg from the TTY
[14:12] <lordievader> regedit: Hmm, never had to do anything like that.
[14:12] <regedit> ahoneybun: does that kill all your open windows/applications?
[14:12] <lordievader> regedit: Though what you are describing sounds more like a poor driver rather than KDE.
[14:12] <lordievader> Which driver are you using?
[14:13] <ahoneybun> can't remember regedit, I've not had to do it for a few days
[14:13] <ahoneybun> using Intel
[14:13] <regedit> ahoneybun: what's the command?
[14:13] <ahoneybun> regedit: sudo killall Xorg
[14:13] <regedit> ahoneybun: thanks
[14:13] <ahoneybun> yep
[14:13] <lordievader> regedit: To see the driver? 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'
[14:13] <regedit> lordievader: tried 'em all, each have their quirks
[14:14] <regedit> lordievader: nouveau, 346, xorg-edgers 352
[14:14]  * lordievader is happy with the radeon driver
[14:14] <ahoneybun> lordievader: regedit it seems to relate to hooking up monitor to the HDMI and suspending sometimes
[14:14] <ahoneybun> intel is nice but I need nvidia to game
[14:14] <regedit> as linus said ever so eloquently
[14:14] <regedit> :P
[14:14] <lordievader> It's usually best to disable the display before unplugging.
[14:15] <regedit> lordievader: with what command?
[14:15] <regedit> lordievader: and will that kill my session?
[14:15] <regedit> ahoneybun: how do i restore Xorg after I killed it?
[14:15] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I never had a problem not doing that before
[14:15] <ahoneybun> Xorg restarts for me on it's own
[14:15] <regedit> Ubuntu claims (i think since 12) to support hotplugging)
[14:16] <regedit> ahoneybun: ah ok
[14:16] <ahoneybun> though talk to lordievader first and lets try to troubleshoot this regedit :)
[14:16] <regedit> and it sorta does; i *can* pulg/unplug at will, sometimes it goes crazy though
[14:16] <ahoneybun> its completely random when it does it
[14:16] <lordievader> regedit: Just through the system settings.
[14:17]  * ahoneybun is using his monitor for his PS3 atm
[14:17] <regedit> lordievader: and how do i turn it back on once plugged/unlugged?
[14:17] <lordievader> Same way, through the systemsettings.
[14:18] <ahoneybun> you could launch the kcm though krunner by searching for display
[14:19] <regedit> Windows somehow got this right... sometimes it needs to refresh and re-refresh a few times which *looks* quirky, but ultimately it doesnt stop until things are working solidly
[14:19] <regedit> i think kubuntu might just need another refresh somewhere in the plug/unplug handling
[14:21] <lordievader> Windows's display stack is a whole lot better than Linux's.
[14:21] <lordievader> X is crap.
[14:21] <ahoneybun> +1
[14:21] <Mahe> that's true, sadly
[14:25] <ahoneybun> wayland should be better
[14:32] <yossarianuk> lordievader: that's not 100% true....  The ability to run apps remotely over X (with no other software except ssh) is pretty useful
[14:32] <yossarianuk> windows lacks that
[14:33] <yossarianuk> If you are worried about 3D graphic speed Linux beats/is on par with Windows as  long as you have Nvidia (and disable desktop effects for full screen apps)
[14:33] <yossarianuk> *unless you enable that option you lose about 1/3 fps in games/apps
[14:33] <HappyRoey> what do you mean
[14:34] <HappyRoey> unless you disable desktop effects, you lose 30% of FPS in games?
[14:34] <HappyRoey> really??
[14:35] <yossarianuk> HappyRoey: yes  - its been the same fort every computer/card i've had
[14:35] <yossarianuk> I mean
[14:36] <ahoneybun> yossarianuk: is there a way to disable them all at once?
[14:36] <yossarianuk> I mean - enable the 'Suspend compositor for full screen windows'
[14:36] <yossarianuk> The fact that its not enabled by default is annoying
[14:36] <HappyRoey> ha, ok
[14:36] <HappyRoey> I will try disabling this then
[14:37] <yossarianuk> but that is because of ATI/intel crappy drivers
[14:37] <regedit> heya HappyRoey ;)
[14:37] <yossarianuk> i.e the reason its not selected by default
[14:37] <HappyRoey> hello regedit :)
[14:37] <HappyRoey> yossarianuk:  and this is for NVidia as well?
[14:37] <yossarianuk> yes
[14:37] <yossarianuk> its in the compositor settings in plasma4
[14:37] <regedit> yossarianuk: is it System Settings > Display & Monitor > Compositor > Expert: Suspend compositor for full screen windows ?
[14:37] <yossarianuk> sorry
[14:38] <yossarianuk> plasma*5*
[14:38] <yossarianuk> yes
[14:38] <regedit> ok thanks
[14:38] <HappyRoey> thanks yossarianuk
[14:38] <yossarianuk> also - I find many games are actually unplayable  - i.e I cannot aim / game is really laggy
[14:38] <regedit> i got a message about this not necessarily being available in all hardware
[14:39] <yossarianuk> until I enable in Nvidia settings - disable sync to Vblank
[14:39] <yossarianuk> really most high end steam FPS games are unplayable until I disable vBlank also. (this doesn't increase fps as such but stops laggy controls)
[14:40] <yossarianuk> if these 2 options were enabled BY DEFAULT then kubuntu would equal/beat Windows out the box (with nvidia at least)
[14:41] <ahoneybun> disabling that was not a good idea
[14:41] <ahoneybun> most likely cuz I do not have NVIDIA drivers
[14:41] <HappyRoey> *disable* sync to vblank? ok.
[14:41] <HappyRoey> what about gsync
[14:41] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Sure it has a couple of nice things. But that is no excuse for how poor other things are.
[14:41] <HappyRoey> does this fix antyhing, yossarianuk?
[14:42] <ahoneybun> yossarianuk: it says not every hardware support
[14:42] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Have you ever tried to get X working nicely with VIA?
[14:45] <regedit> i crashed
[14:45] <regedit> and killall Xorg from tty did not restore sanity...
[14:46] <regedit> yossarianuk: where did you set Vsync stuff in nvidia settings?
[14:46] <ahoneybun> regedit: were you doing the changes yossarianuk said?
[14:47] <regedit> yup
[14:47] <regedit> but also others
[14:47] <regedit> i think  the others crashed me
[14:48] <regedit> i got the triangles
[14:48] <regedit> tried killall Xorg, sanity was not restored
[14:50] <yossarianuk> lordievader: years ago I did try to get via working. in Linux - I then bought a nvidia card.
[14:50] <yossarianuk> regedit: crashing after changing display/compositing options in Plasma5 is semi normal.
[14:51] <yossarianuk> seems better in 5.3.x
[14:51] <yossarianuk> when you reboot check to see if the setting has 'stuck'
[14:51] <yossarianuk> if yall you did was change the suspend desktop effects for fullscreen windows that should logically have never crashed X ...
[14:52] <yossarianuk> the only change is for fullscreen apps...
[14:52] <ahoneybun> I lost Kwn
[14:52] <regedit> yossarianuk: where did you set Vsync stuff in nvidia settings?
[14:53] <yossarianuk> regedit: on my work pc at the sec so cannot 100% remeber
[14:53] <yossarianuk> I think
[14:53] <yossarianuk> its nvidia-settings -> opengl ?
[14:54] <yossarianuk> regedit: Nvidia-settings - > X Screen -> OpenGL settings -> Disable 'Sync to Vblank'
[14:54] <yossarianuk> (I found an old post)
[14:55] <yossarianuk> that plus suspend fullscreen efects makes games playable for me
[14:56] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Then you know how crap X can be.
[14:56] <regedit> i see no such option there :(
[15:00] <regedit> Nvidia-settings - > X Screen -> OpenGL settings -> there is no 'Sync to Vblank' there
[15:00] <yossarianuk> lordievader: its a question of defaults...
[15:01] <regedit> only image Performance -  Image Settings quality slider, and Miscellaneous Use Conformant Texture Clamping
[15:02] <yossarianuk> regedit: hmmm i'm not at home - but this may help ->http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17196117/disable-vertical-sync-for-glxgears
[15:02] <yossarianuk> its the opengl tab
[15:02] <yossarianuk> if you have a screen shot of the main window I could probably say
[15:03] <TJ-> regedit: Press the Help button whilst on the OpenGL Settings tab - is Sync to VBlank listed there?
[15:03] <yossarianuk> lordievader: its not X being crap - its a question of sensible defaults
[15:03] <yossarianuk> but that happens as Intel/Ati drivers have issues with those settings
[15:03] <yossarianuk> (because X is crap.......)
[15:04] <regedit> TJ-: nope, i see only mention of Gsync
[15:04] <yossarianuk> regedit: are you running bummblebee
[15:04] <lordievader> yossarianuk: No, X and VIA is a pain.
[15:05] <regedit> yossarianuk: not that I know of
[15:05] <regedit> just plain Kubuntu as downloaded from the site 15.04
[15:05] <regedit> with latest apt-get upgrades
[15:06] <yossarianuk> to avoid any issues ironically it would be best (at the min) to have a Nvidia only Linux desktop (not very opensource friendly) - only support ATI/Intel once they have made drivers useful this century (i.e opengl 4.5+)
[15:06] <regedit> and (at the moment) xorg-edgers nvidia drivers 352
[15:06] <regedit> TJ-: BTW i never got your fixed version of wget_nvidia_drivers.bash , did you make any changes?
[15:06] <TJ-> regedit: which version of the settings application is that? "nvidia-settings -v"
[15:07] <yossarianuk> regedit: I can only suggest either screenshotting (and i'll try to explain) or just clicking round the various tabs for 'open gl'
[15:07] <TJ-> regedit: Yes, and uploaded it :)
[15:08] <regedit> TJ-: ah ok, leme check my logs for the link
[15:08] <regedit> thanks!
[15:09] <TJ-> regedit: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/wget_nvidia_drivers.bash
[15:09] <regedit> thanks :)
[15:13] <regedit> TJ-: "nvidia-settings"
[15:13] <regedit> that's the version i have
[15:13] <regedit> oh sorry hang on heh
[15:13] <regedit> oh WTF nvidia-settings:  version 346.59
[15:13] <TJ-> regedit: query the setting from the command-line with "nvidia-settings -q SyncToVBlank"
[15:14] <regedit> i should have 352 no?
[15:14] <TJ-> regedit: probaby due to you not having my script with the nvidia-settings download code :)
[15:14] <regedit> it's getting the latest nvidia-settings for the ubuntu PPAs, not the xorg edgers one
[15:15] <regedit> TJ-: right... what happens now, i uninstall everything and run your script, or what?
[15:15] <TJ-> regedit: just run the script
[15:15] <regedit> ok
[15:15] <yossarianuk> really what kubuntu/ubuntu needs is a package that is actually the latest Nvidia driver.
[15:16] <yossarianuk> it would solve many issues
[15:16] <regedit> that's why TJ- iws making an awesome-script to get just that :)
[15:16] <regedit> *is
[15:16] <yossarianuk> I personally get the binary .RUN file, but you cannot expect the masses to do this - there would be 100000's of people unable to boot to a desktop...
[15:16] <regedit> yossarianuk: what do you do if that happens to you?
[15:16] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Create a ppa ;)
[15:16] <TJ-> yossarianuk: and possibly create even more... newer drivers drop support for older cards; you'd have to do some pretty good pre-inst scripting to ensure the update won't lose support for installed GPUs
[15:16] <yossarianuk> (maybe a few less 000's)
[15:17] <regedit> there should be a tutorial for the brave on how to handle if the Nvidia RUN breaks kernel
[15:17] <yossarianuk> regedit: I go to a console window and fix it - sometime you are unable to even get to a console (i.e alt+ctrl+f2)
[15:17] <lordievader> regedit: If you go that route you should know how to fix it ;)
[15:18] <regedit> yossarianuk: make a tutorial on all the steps please!
[15:18] <yossarianuk> so you have to add grub lines in order to see..
[15:18] <yossarianuk> I did have a PPA with the latest.
[15:18] <yossarianuk> but it takes a fair amout of time to build and upload to ppa.
[15:19] <yossarianuk> whereas the nvidia-rt package I make in arch (i'm behind right now) takes minutes...
[15:19] <lordievader> And that is precisely why there ain't the latest package ;)
[15:19] <yossarianuk> lordievader: I understand that new drivers drop support for older cards
[15:20] <lordievader> They might, yes.
[15:20] <yossarianuk> lordievader: but keeping a driver with known bugs in and that lacks support of new cards in the name of stability seems silly - my point is there should always be a 'latest' version you could install.
[15:21] <yossarianuk> not that is installed by default perhaps...
[15:21] <yossarianuk> it would make gaming on Linux bettter if there was
[15:21] <yossarianuk> hopefully with Vulkan/wayland we won;t have to worry about this soon...
[15:21] <lordievader> There is a reason Ubuntu/Debian do not have the latest and greatest.
[15:22] <yossarianuk> Ubuntu is normally close to the latest when initally released,
[15:22] <yossarianuk> at least non lts
[15:22] <lordievader> More reasons than just "it might drop support for older cards", though that is a concern for Lubuntu.
[15:25] <regedit> back
[15:25] <regedit> still no vsync setting in nvidia-settings:  version 352.21
[15:27] <regedit> nvidia-settings -q SyncToVBlank returns blank
[15:28] <regedit> actually the Help does mention a "Sync to Vblank" option,it's just not there...
[15:30] <yossarianuk> KDE could do more also in relation to drivers - i.e if it detects a Nvidia card (with nvidia binary driver) it should automatically set suspend desktop effects for fullscreen apps (for example)
[15:31] <yossarianuk> regedit: can you take a screenshot of your nvidia-settings screen
[15:31]  * regedit googles how
[15:32] <TJ-> regedit: which nvidia GPU is in the system?
[15:33] <yossarianuk> regedit: press print screen'
[15:33] <TJ-> regedit: what does this report: "nvidia-settings -q SyncToVBlank"
[15:34] <regedit> TJ-: empty line
[15:34] <regedit> TJ-: this laptop has a 610M
[15:34] <TJ-> regedit: OK, so it's not available on that GPU
[15:34] <regedit> ah ok
[15:35] <TJ-> regedit: I don't understand why that would be however
[15:36] <regedit> why it would not be available on this gpu?
[15:37] <TJ-> regedit: I forgot now, but doesn't your PC have hybrid Optimus graphics?
[15:38] <regedit> well the laptop has both yes, and i think i have nvidia-prime installed yes
[15:38] <regedit> oh wait, no i might not
[15:38] <regedit> how could that be? i though i installed nvidia prime
[15:39] <TJ-> regedit: OK, so the Intel device will be responsible for the outputs and therefore VSync; the nvidia is responsible for the rendering when it is enabled
[15:39] <regedit> is nvidia prime driver-version-specific, or i can get that from the regular PPAs?
[15:40] <regedit> wait yes i do have prime installed, except - maybe the wrong one ^ ?
[15:43] <TJ-> I think prime version is not directly related to the driver version
[15:44] <ahoneybun> prime is for the laptops that have dual graphics (intel+nvidia_+)
[15:44] <regedit> which my laptop does
[15:45] <regedit> does it need to be "re-installed" after running your script TJ- ?
[15:45] <regedit> nvidia-prime that is
[15:46] <TJ-> regedit: No
[15:47] <regedit> TJ-: so what are you saying - it *should* be supported by this GPU?
[15:48] <TJ-> regedit: see bug #1260128
[15:49] <TJ-> regedit: In summary; the kernel API (dma-buf) that allows inter-GPU memory transfers cannot be used by the proprietary nvidia driver due to the GPL license
[15:50] <regedit> well that makes me sad
[15:51] <regedit> so users like me are screwed, doomed to witness tons of tearing & choppiness in every youtube clip?
[15:51] <regedit> with plain downloaded Kubuntu 15.04
[15:51] <TJ-> Maybe Nvidia will get with the program one day :)
[15:51] <regedit> albeit with xorg-edgers 352 drivers (which should help matters, not worsen..ideally)
[16:19] <regedit> why didnt they allow the non-GPL driver stuff at least as an opt-in, like some other proprietary opt ins
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> hello humans
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> nvidia trouble again?
[16:49] <regedit> yes
[18:45] <fathom> Howdy, I cannot get audio on my kubuntu install
[18:45] <fathom> I mucked about with the audio settings, nada
[18:46] <regedit> run alsamixer, haz fun
[18:46] <fathom> Alsamixer does not work either
[18:46] <fathom> I hit f6 to select my soundcard, nada
[18:47] <regedit> check if your computer is on
[18:47] <fathom> bwahaha
[18:47] <fathom> It's on your mom
[18:47] <fathom> seriously, no there's a problem
[18:49] <lordievader> fathom: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio'?
[18:49] <regedit> how much did you mess around with the default installed software/packages, did you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, etc
[18:50] <regedit> also dont listen to me i'm a noob, do what lordievader says
[18:51] <fathom> lordievader, I see my soundcard with that command
[18:51] <fathom> it's there
[18:51] <Walex> regedit: and with that nickname your UNIX/Linux cult membership is questionable too :-)
[18:51] <lordievader> fathom: Could you pastebin the output?
[18:52] <lordievader> !paste | fathom
[18:52] <fathom> pastebin.com/Sg4vyda2
[18:52] <regedit> Walex: i'm a quadruple agent, thus the obvious nick
[18:53] <fathom> I want the m-audio delta to work
[18:54] <regedit> lordievader: ubottu should also have instructions for outputting straight from shell to a paste service
[18:55] <lordievader> fathom: What is the output of 'aplay -l'?
[18:55] <lordievader> regedit: Why?
[18:56] <regedit> lordievader: because it would be helpful / makes it less steps to paste?
[18:57] <fathom> pastebin.com/aLU69HLD
[18:57] <lordievader> regedit: Then I do not understand. What is wrong with ubottu posting here?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> fathom,  which m-audio card ?
[18:58] <fathom> maudio delta
[18:58] <regedit> lordievader: misunderstanding detected
[18:59] <regedit> lordievader: i'm simply suggesting ubottu's helpful message above ^ should also perhaps contain the command to output straight from shell to the paste service
[18:59] <lordievader> fathom: Do you hear something when you run 'aplay -D hw2,0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav'?
[19:00] <lordievader> !pastebinit | regedit
[19:00] <lordievader> regedit: It does.
[19:00] <regedit> ah ok
[19:00] <regedit> the other helpful message didnt mention it though, why are there 2 different ones?
[19:00]  * regedit suggests merge
[19:01] <lordievader> 2 different ones? You mean !paste and !pastebinit? One if for pasting console output here, the other is about the program pastebinit.
[19:01] <lordievader> Two different things.
[19:02] <regedit> [15:00] * regedit suggests merge
[19:03] <BluesKaj> fathom, check system settings>multimedia>device preference>music
[19:03] <fathom> nada
[19:04] <BluesKaj> does iot show there
[19:04] <BluesKaj> it
[19:04] <fathom> BluesKaj, been there, done that
[19:04] <fathom> lordievader, nada on the command you gave
[19:04] <fathom> ugh
[19:05] <BluesKaj> I have the audiophile 192 and it's driver is the snd-ice1724, yet yours is newer card using an old driver
[19:06] <fathom> on to the next distro
[19:06] <lordievader> fathom: Do you hear something the other soundcards?
[19:06] <fathom> nope
[19:07] <lordievader> fathom: Hmm, did it work before?
[19:07] <fathom> yes
[19:08] <lordievader> fathom: When did it stop working?
[19:08] <fathom> When I installed Kubuntu
[19:08] <lordievader> What did you use before that?
[19:08] <fathom> Ubuntustudio
[19:09] <lordievader> Hmm, that is interesting. Same version of Ubuntu studio?
[19:09] <fathom> yap
[19:09] <fathom> I also did install ubuntustudio-audio
[19:09] <fathom> Under kubuntu, nada
[19:09] <fathom> It may be that the k-interface has an issue
[19:09] <lordievader> fathom: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=51045
[19:10] <lordievader> fathom: Kubuntu and Ubuntu studio should be pretty much be the same when it comes to audio. Though jackd might make a difference.
[19:11] <fathom> You mean hit f6 when using alsomixer?
[19:11] <fathom> alsamixer
[19:11] <fathom> That is what the forum suggests
[19:11] <fathom> Like what I did several times already
[19:11] <fathom> f6 doth not respond
[19:11] <BluesKaj> fathom, which output are you using, analog or pcm, spdif ?
[19:12] <fathom> BluesKaj, There is an analog jack at the back of the card
[19:12] <fathom> I use that one
[19:12] <fathom> hooed to my stereo
[19:12] <fathom> hooked
[19:12] <fathom> typo city
[19:13] <lordievader> fathom: No, post http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=51045#p294209 in particular.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yrah mine is connected to my audio system, but I use the digital circuits
[19:13] <fathom> Also, when I go under Audio Hardware Setup in system settings, it always defaults to another audio card
[19:13] <fathom> Even when i keep hitting apply for the audiophile soundcard
[19:16] <fathom> or just reinstall ubuntu studio. I suspect it is that XFCE plays nicer
[19:17] <lordievader> They likely both use Pulseaudio, so there is, audio wise, no real difference.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> fathom,  ok open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf with root permissions and add this line to the bottom of the text , options snd-ice1712 index=0 , that makes the m-audio the default sound card, then save the file, a logout and in is required
[19:17] <lordievader> For the modprobe an "sudo update-initramfs -u" and reboot is required.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> fathom,  and in the konsole,  sudo modprobe snd-ice1712, might help too
[19:23] <lordievader> It's already loaded, you really need to reboot for the options line to take effect.
[19:25] <fathom> rebooting
[19:25] <BluesKaj> it may be loaded , but it may not be card 0, sometimes the onboard soundcard takes precedence like the my intel does in debian for some reason
[19:26] <BluesKaj> onboard intel that is
[19:27] <fathom> hah, now audio delta is greyed out
[19:27] <BluesKaj> linux audio is such mixed bag of stuff , its quite frustrating ar times when dealing with more than one audio chip
[19:27] <lordievader> fathom: What is the output of 'aplay -l' now?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> fathom,  as a result of?
[19:27] <lordievader> Also do you have pavucontrol installed?
[19:28] <fathom> no soundcard
[19:28] <lordievader> Aplay lists nothing?
[19:31] <fathom> nada
[19:32] <lordievader> Hmm, what is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio'?
[19:32] <lordievader> And the output of 'dmesg |grep snd'.
[19:38] <plipPlop> moin
[19:38] <BluesKaj> aftn
[19:38] <plipPlop> wie soll das gehen das quassel immer verbunden ist
[19:39] <BluesKaj> !de | plipPlop
[19:40] <plipPlop> achso ok
[19:42] <regedit> omg guise guise
[19:43] <cofo> Hello
[19:43] <regedit> i managed to virtualize kubuntu within my dual boot Windows!
[19:43] <cofo> Anyone have experience with persistent and have power to explain me how to install if i set 400mb with persistent? running live
[19:43] <regedit> so now i can either boot into kubuntu, or windows, and/or boot into windows and virtualize kubuntu!
[19:43] <bprompt> cofo:   w0t?
[19:44] <cofo> Anyone have any idea?
[19:44] <regedit> sounds like cofo might be using google translate
[19:44]  * bprompt dunnos what the question is to begin with
[19:45] <regedit> i am having issues though - i cannot get graphic desktop :(
[19:45] <cofo> I'm running ubuntu live and I can't install okular. I configure 400mb with ubuntu live usb installer.. Anyway I don't know why I can't.
[19:45] <regedit> maybe because when i boot into kubuntu proper it knows to use GPU/Nvidia drivers, but virtualized it shouldnt?
[19:45] <bprompt> cofo:     why not just run "k"ubuntu live?   it has okular already
[19:45] <cofo> i don't know but i can't
[19:46] <regedit> TJ-: you there?
[19:46] <cofo> i'm very limited with time
[19:47] <BluesKaj> cofo okular should be available without installing it
[19:47] <cofo> This ^
[19:48] <BluesKaj> cofo,  open the kmenu and type okular in the search
[19:48] <cofo> i don't have kmenu
[19:49] <BluesKaj> which OS ?
[19:49] <cofo> ubuntu
[19:54] <bprompt> ahemm
[19:54] <bprompt> cofo:     so...  do an -> sudo apt-get update <-- then do a -> sudo apt-get install okular;
[19:55] <BluesKaj> cofo,  go ask in #ubuntu, this is kubuntu suipport
[19:55] <BluesKaj> dunno what ubuntu uses
[19:56] <bprompt> ubuntu uses evince, and should work, but to be honest, okular has a better UI
[19:57] <BluesKaj> it's been so long aican't remember how to launch an app in gnome or any of those ubuntu desktops
[19:57] <bprompt> easy    ->  $: evince & # :)
[19:57] <bprompt> ehehe
[19:57] <BluesKaj> unity even
[19:58] <fathom> I fix
[19:58] <cofo> i tried
[19:58] <BluesKaj> i use the cli alot but not launch apps
[19:58] <BluesKaj> to
[19:59] <BluesKaj> fathom,  how?
[19:59] <fathom> I installed Ubuntustudio : - )
[19:59] <bprompt> most window managers have a "run" box, in unity... you can just a search at the homepage and find the app and click it
[20:00] <BluesKaj> odd because my m-audio card works fine
[20:00] <bprompt> cofo:    why not just get kubuntu iso anyway?
[20:00] <cofo> i'm limited with time
[20:00] <cofo> i don't know kde vs unity
[20:00] <BluesKaj> yeah the run command
[20:00] <bprompt> cofo:    what.. hmmm what ubuntu are you running on the liveusb?    14.04? 12.04? 15.04? 14.10?
[20:01] <cofo> 15.04
[20:01] <bprompt> cofo:    so... if you run -> sudo apt-get update <-- at the terminal... does it update?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> cofo,  you're in the wrong chatroom, type /j #ubuntu in your client server text
[20:02] <BluesKaj> bprompt, he's on live media
[20:02] <bprompt> right
[20:02] <bprompt> cofo:    ubuntu has evince.. why not just run that :),   go to the dashboard  and do an app search for "evince"
[20:04] <BluesKaj> methinks he's a real new user, not knowing the diff between unity and kde
[20:05] <bprompt> seems so, yes
[20:09] <BluesKaj> well, that's enough for today, time to do other things ...laters
[20:19] <akasic> hi
[20:27] <amichair> hi, I just rebooted 15.04 after some accumulated updates, and audio on the TV stopped working. In pavucontrol I see all 3 HDMI outputs, but in kde settings when I select the correct one it's profile name is blank (the other two look ok)
[20:28] <regedit> i am getting black screen booting into kubuntu
[20:28] <regedit> something's wrong video/graphics related, any ideas?
[20:29] <akasic> hey regedit can u see the og in screen
[20:29] <regedit> og?
[20:30] <akasic> hey amichair did u look in alsa settings any mute to unmte it
[20:30] <akasic> log in
[20:30] <akasic> can u see ur mouse or the search option?
[20:30] <amichair> akasic: in alsamixer I think I'm seeing only the analog output
[20:31] <regedit> akasic: me? nope nothing
[20:31] <amichair> akasic: if I select the other sound card, I see just 3 spdif outputs. are those related?
[20:31] <akasic> hey amichair, do u think is a group issue
[20:31] <akasic> ?
[20:31] <amichair> group?
[20:31] <akasic> i dont know
[20:32] <amichair> akasic: what do you mean?
[20:32] <akasic> assigning permission to users (graphic group, audio, games) but im not sure, im only giving some ideas
[20:33] <akasic> hey regedit, enter with control + alt +f1 and type  mv ~/.cache ~/.cache-old
[20:33] <akasic> signing in as user
[20:34] <regedit> akasic: i dont even get the login screen
[20:34] <akasic> its in a bash
[20:35] <akasic> once u finish rebooting it, i the black screen press that combo
[20:35] <regedit> yes i am currently chatting from tty1 with weechat-curses, and trying various commands from tty2
[20:36] <akasic> type  mv ~/.cache ~/.cache-old
[20:36] <akasic> but i think its more a gpu problem, ive solved mine black that way
[20:36] <akasic> and reboot
[20:37] <akasic> hey amichair, try to unmute spdif
[20:37] <amichair> akasic: users haven't changed since it worked...
[20:37] <regedit> akasic: ok leme try..
[20:38] <amichair> akasic: it's not muted, just on 00 and can't change it
[20:38] <akasic> ok
[20:38] <akasic> yeah groups may be fine, soz
[20:38] <amichair> akasic: what does it mean that the profile name in dropdown in sytem settings is blank for this output device?
[20:38] <amichair> where does it get the profiles/names from?
[20:39] <akasic> im not sure
[20:39] <akasic> in spdif did u try the key ''m''
[20:40] <amichair> akasic: that mutes it (from 00 to MM)
[20:40] <akasic> ok
[20:40] <akasic> :S
[20:42] <akasic> hey amichair, in additional drivers it indicates that u are using it?
[20:42] <amichair> akasic: where is that?
[20:42] <akasic> or u can kill pulseaudio and restar it
[20:43] <amichair> I tried killing, it restarted automatically and no difference
[20:43] <akasic> the place where it detect your drivers and suggest to install the more convenient for the system
[20:43] <amichair> are /etc/pulse/* files supposed to look binary-ish, or are they corrupt here?
[20:44] <amichair> akasic: nothing in drivers there. it's just intel HD IGP, so I guess it's built-in
[20:44] <akasic> im not sure
[20:45] <akasic> u can reinstall pulse... but... you know
[20:46] <akasic> in alsamixer pcm and others must be unmuted in case
[20:47] <amichair> akasic: tried reinstalling pulse, no difference. does it require a reboot?
[20:48] <akasic> probably yes, its a module if im not wrong, or stop it and restart it
[20:54] <amichair> akasic: well reboot didn't change anything
[20:54] <akasic> hey amichair, i think that wolud be good to try but with ur card http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1404/
[20:55] <akasic> what do u think?
[20:57] <akasic> if your card is not listed the issue may be another then
[21:00] <amichair> akasic: dunno... I do see that by default, though I'm on 15.04, but I don't know if it's related or not
[21:01] <akasic> as u see
[21:02] <akasic> im getting a lot of errors also with 15.04, i installed very few things after formating it 1123 times
[21:02] <amichair> not sure where alsa starts and pulse ends
[21:03] <akasic> yeah...
[21:04] <akasic> maybe u can look more accuretly in alsasettings going far to the right in the channels or whatever, a hidden slider, i dont know, just in case, or press to show all
[21:06] <akasic> well amichair, i hope u solve it, cya all
[21:06] <amichair> akasic: thanks, cya
[21:14] <amichair> so, any audio gurus in the house?
[21:26] <hydrogen> Is there still a magic command to install the useful development packages for kde thingies?
[21:30] <lordievader> regedit: I've done the same, but then the other way around. A Windows vm from the dual-boot.
[21:30] <amichair> does anyone know what to do if pavucontrol and kde settings don't show the same profiles?
[21:31] <lordievader> They should.
[21:32] <lordievader> Though KDE likely configures Phonon rather than Pulseaudio directly.
[21:32] <amichair> lordievader: if I delete phonondevicesrc isn't it supposed to be recreated? it's still missing
[21:33] <amichair> lordievader: in kde settings I'm missing one profile, that does appear in pavucontrol. This may or may not be why this audio device isn't working now.
[21:33] <lordievader> Guess it will take the defaults if a config file cannot be found.
[21:34] <amichair> lordievader: where does kde settings get its profile names from?
[21:34] <lordievader> No idea.
[21:34] <lordievader> I suppose that Phonon provides those. However I have no idea how Phonon works.
[21:35] <amichair> when I select the missing profile in pavucontrol and then look at kde settings, the profile name is blank, but the sound device does seem to be filled in ok


[19:28] <mterry> greyback: as a Mir knowledgeable guy...  is bug 1671214 surprising to you?  A known issue?
[19:29] <mterry> oh it is known -- bug 1670710
[19:33] <ltinkl> mterry, fix in the current silo
[19:38] <mterry> tedg: my look-at-mir UAL branch really helps snaps look nice in deb-unity8 -- they all launch in xmir now because nothing can plug unity8 interface
[19:38] <mterry> pretty please review and land
[19:42] <tedg> ltinkl: Oh, sweet!
[19:42] <tedg> mterry: K, cool. Did all the core apps pick up the "mir" interface?
[19:42] <mterry> tedg: Not sure, but does it matter?  None of the core apps plug unity8 right now because snapd doesn't let them
[19:42] <tedg> I hadn't looked to check recently, but last time I checked they hadn't.
[19:43] <mterry> Strict improvement
[19:43] <mterry> tedg: I mean they try to plug unity8, but snapd rejects it
[19:44] <mterry> so ual never sees that
[19:44] <tedg> mterry: Ah, well they do it here on my machine ;-)
[19:44] <mterry> tedg: do you have custom snapd?
[19:44] <tedg> Yeah
[19:44] <mterry> tedg: and custom unity8-session that exposes unity8 slot?
[19:44] <tedg> mterry: No, we're not using the connection yet. Just if they export it we pick it up.
[19:45] <mterry> tedg: ah didn't think snapd exported unconnected plugs
[19:47] <mterry> tedg: I didn't realize you were blocking on that.  I think that's wrong to do, but will try to do a survey of the core apps for ya