[01:17] <DGMurdockIII> i have a Dell PowerEdge Server i was wondering if any of you new much about them
[01:52] <n00b123> Hi Friends, I am setting an ubuntu server 12.04.1 with 2 x 2tb hard drivers wich I want to connect in RAID1. Also going to use encrypted LVM. What is best to do. Use the whole drive in one raid and one volume group and then differents logical volumes for /, SWAP, /var and /DATA or use 4 raids md , 4 vg and 4 lv ??
[02:04] <maxb> n00b123: Unless you're deliberately trying to have some volumes encrypted and some not, I see no reason to use multiple md devices
[02:05] <maxb> And even then maybe not, but I'm unfamilier with encrypted LVM
[02:05] <maxb> However you will want to make sure you're absolutely confident how you want your bootloader to work before you start partitioning
[02:09] <maxb> Actually, having read a few things about the encryption it seems like you probably want an unencrypted md0 for /boot and an encrypted md1 for LVM
[02:11] <maxb> Hmm, although it seems you can nest the LVM and the encryption either way around
[02:15] <n00b123> I was thinking if there is any advantage having parttions divided into diferent raids. just wondering what would be the best practice
[02:16] <n00b123> Is there any way to grub-install /dev/md0 on busybox during instalation ??
[02:18] <n00b123> because on ubuntu 12.04.1 server instalalation, grub-install always fail because it always tries to install on /dev/sda. No options to change. Consequently I can never boot after instalation and have to boot from a live cd and install it manually (wih I'm trying to do right now !!)
[02:29] <kerframil> n00b123: 'installing' to md0 makes no sense. grub needs to write a master boot record, which belongs at the beginning of the first disk enumerated by the BIOS. that disk typically maps to /dev/sda in Linux.
[02:34] <kerframil> n00b123: indeed, if you were to write out an MBR to the beginning of an md block device, you may very well corrupt your RAID metadata (depending on the superblock format used)
[02:34] <n00b123> yes, i tried and it failed. So, it is not possible to have the /boot partition on a RAID ?? If one hdd failed I am oing to be stucked...
[02:35] <n00b123> What is the best practice to be prepared for a disk fail ??
[02:36] <n00b123> Have an independent /boot partition on both hdd and install grub on both ?? is that correct ?
[02:37] <kerframil> n00b123: yes, you can have /boot on RAID. I would tend to use RAID-1 because it allows for /boot to be directly mounted from an md member in diaster recovery scenarios. however, grub-2 can handle other RAID layouts.
[02:37] <kerframil> n00b123: for full bootloader redundancy, yes, would need to write out a boot sector to both disks. however, you don't need require two separate boot filesystems.
[02:39] <n00b123> sorry, I can't understand (n00b)
[02:40] <kerframil> n00b123: I used to do this back in the day. let's say you have sda and sdb, and the first partitions of each are members of a RAID-1 array, on which the /boot filesystem resides.
[02:40] <kerframil> n00b123: I would enter the grub shell and type:
[02:40] <kerframil> device (hd0) /dev/sda
[02:40] <kerframil> root (hd0,0)
[02:40] <kerframil> setup (hd0)
[02:41] <kerframil> then I would repeat with only one change: mapping (hd0) to /dev/sdb (which controls where the MBR is written)
[02:41] <kerframil> I've never tried with grub2 though. most of my machines are using hardware RAID these days.
[02:43] <n00b123> but /boot is under raid ?? md0=sda1,sdb2(/boot)
[02:45] <kerframil> that's awkward for grub-0.97 because they're different partitions. but Ubuntu uses grub2, which should be able to handle it fine (it has built-in modules to read Linux RAID volumes). but none of this comes into play until the bootsector is read and grub gets past 'stage1'. the bottom line is that installing to /dev/sda should be enough to get it booting, assuming the first disk remains online.
[02:45] <kerframil> the boot filesystem is not involved in the earliest stage of the boot process
[02:48] <n00b123> ok, so when installing, I can configure the first partition os both hard drives as /boot and raid1 (md0=sda1,sdb1) and just grub-install /dev/sda and grub-install /dev/sdb. Ubuntu can not mount encrypted partition but can "mount" the raid partition. That's it ??
[02:49] <n00b123> I am a little bit confused because every instalation I tried, grub fail instaling on /dev/sda. When /boot was under raid and independent partitions
[02:50] <kerframil> n00b123: I have no experience of setting up bootloader redundancy in grub2 but, yes, that's about right. I suspect grub-install won't do the right thing when installing to /dev/sdb. that's why I always used the shell in grub-0.97.
[02:50] <kerframil> n00b123: that's curious. maybe you should run grub-install with the option to increase verbosity.
[02:50] <kerframil> n00b123: it should work, based on what you've said
[02:51] <n00b123> that's why i was trying to grub-install while installing the system (CTRL+ALT+F2).
[02:52] <n00b123> because after that, it is hard to boot it like it is under encripted lvm and raid
[02:54] <kerframil> n00b123: try grub-install --debug /dev/sda
[02:56] <n00b123> grub-install does not work on busybox, and now I am having troubles mounting the partition under ubnutu 10.04 livecd (12.04 is failing the video config resolution under virtualbox)
[03:04] <kerframil> n00b123: is it no present at all, or are you getting an error? iirc, the debian-installer gets grub from a lightweight udeb package which is installed-on-the-fly i.e.: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/amd64/grub-installer/download
[03:07] <n00b123> not present
[03:07] <n00b123> sudo apt-get install mdadm lvm2
[03:08] <n00b123> and pvscan, vgdisplay, vgscan, lvscan finds nothing
[03:08] <n00b123> cat /proc/mdstat show nothing to
[03:08] <n00b123> last time i could mount it with ubuntu 12.04
[03:09] <n00b123> but now... nop
[03:10] <n00b123> on diskd utility it shows the array
[03:11] <n00b123> but say it is not running, when i try to bring it up, it says: not enogh omponents to start raid array
[03:11] <n00b123> do I need to install any more package than mdadm ??
[03:12] <kerframil> n00b123: to assemble an array from userspace, mdadm is enough
[03:13] <kerframil> n00b123: for example, mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb2
[03:13] <n00b123> oops
[03:14] <n00b123> just mounted the array
[03:14] <n00b123> noob problem, forgot the sudo... sorry
[03:19] <n00b123> grub-install not working with live cd. Can't find /dev  bla bla bla.
[03:19] <n00b123> I believe i will have to chroot
[03:20] <kerframil> n00b123: if you do, remember also to mound --bind /dev <chroot-path>/dev (after mounting your normal filesystems there).
[03:20] <kerframil> mount, rather
[03:37] <n00b123> tried mounting it
[03:39] <n00b123> when tried grub-install --root-directory=/media/47a...bla..bla /dev/sda
[03:40] <n00b123> it gives me the error: usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for 'vgtotal-lvroot'
[03:40] <n00b123> auto detection of a filesystem module failed.
[03:41] <n00b123> please specify the module with the option '--modules' explitly.
[03:46] <daddioio> hey guys, I installed 13.04 server and I have 2 nics.  installer saw I have 2 nics, setup eth0; but not eth1.  I thought no biggie, added to etc/networks/interface.  Restart, but still no eth1.  Am I missing something?
[03:49] <kerframil> n00b123: is lvroot encrypted/
[03:50] <kerframil> ?
[03:50] <yeats> daddioio: what happens when you do 'sudo ifup eth1'?
[03:51] <daddioio> woohoo, she lives
[03:51] <daddioio> will it do that at reboot now?
[03:51] <daddioio> or do I need to tinker somewhere?
[03:52] <n00b123> it is but i have already decripted it to mount on the /media/47......
[03:52] <n00b123> I can see the files on lvroot
[03:53] <yeats> daddioio: you can add 'auto eth1' to /etc/network/interfaces
[03:54] <daddioio> dang you are right yeats I forgot to add that...sorry bout that
[03:54] <yeats> ;-)
[03:54] <kerframil> n00b123: if you run ls -l /dev/mapper, do you see just one entry referring to "lvroot"?
[03:59] <n00b123> i can see the vgtotal-lvroot, 3 others lv and another udisks-luks-uuid-bla bla bla
[05:40] <sonofzeus> hey there
[05:58] <phunyguy> quick question.... I have a router that is ubuntu server, and there are several subnets attached that can all talk to each other freely.  Is there any (easy) way to get it to bounce multicast packets between networks? It's not a large network, so I am not worried about broadcast traffic becoming an issue.  I have installed pimd, but Others say it "just works", however I cannot get it to work.  Any ideas?
[06:08] <PryMar56> phunyguy, dpkg -l smcroute
[06:10] <PryMar56> phunyguy, http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntuforums.org+multicast+forwarding+solved
[06:10] <PryMar56>   q=site:
[06:11] <skraito> hey guys
[06:12] <skraito> i am coding ubuntu server hardening
[06:12] <skraito> is it the same with redhat
[06:12] <skraito> i am new to it
[06:12] <skraito> but may be i can reuse the script from previous 0x71 script for redhat
[06:12] <skraito> where can i get documentation for ubuntu-server ?
[06:12] <skraito> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/
[06:12] <skraito> is it this one ?
[08:33] <skraito> hi anyone good at ubuntu-server i would like to talk to you
[08:34] <skraito> come to channel ##0x71 our whitehat hackers team
[10:26] <skraito> hi ubuntu-server
[10:26] <skraito> where did you get
[10:26] <skraito> hi daviey
[10:26] <skraito> where /etc/motd shell script
[10:26] <skraito> located
[10:26] <skraito> ?
[10:56] <skraito> hi guys
[12:21] <AfroMark> Hi all. I'm setting up ubuntu server for the first time and I could do with a little guidance.
[12:22] <AfroMark> I'm following a few steps to increase security, following a few points from the guide here: http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics
[12:23] <AfroMark> Trying to do no.2: Securing the Shared Memory, but I'm not sure if I'm using VIM correctly
[12:23] <AfroMark> Could someone give me a little more guidance on how to insert the extra line into /etc/fstab?
[12:30] <qman__> I see they fixed the PHP configuration on that guide
[12:30] <qman__> that said I still disagree with several of the items they list
[12:30] <qman__> ubuntu is secure by default, the rest is a matter of preference
[12:31] <qman__> beyond all of that, ubuntu (and debian) have a limited version of vi by default, if you want the full featured version, install vim-nox
[12:31] <qman__> and if you're unfamiliar with vim, you can use nano
[12:33] <AfroMark> so it's not essential to secure the shared memory?
[12:43] <qman__> it's not essential to do any of those things; securing shared memory is only important on systems where you have untrusted users with shell access
[12:43] <qman__> the other major problem with that article is it doesn't explain why each thing is to be done, or what it's for
[12:44] <qman__> some of them are a good idea in certain situations but not others
[12:44] <qman__> for example, the SSH section
[12:44] <qman__> 1. root is not allowed to log in by default
[12:44] <qman__> you have to go and set a root password or set up SSH keys to enable it
[12:45] <qman__> 2. changing SSH port is an annoyance only
[12:45] <qman__> it's an annoyance to you as much as it is an annoyance to an attacker, and that's all
[12:46] <qman__> I also advise against installing nmap on your server, since nmap can be used without root access and simply invites users to do port scans
[12:46] <qman__> you should run nmap from a separate system
[14:23] <rurufufuss_> what tool can one use to check where the disk usage comes from, in command line?
[14:23] <rurufufuss_> my ubuntu linode's 4GB is used up, nfi where they're used :(
[14:33] <qman__> rurufufuss, du
[14:33] <qman__> specifically, you can do this: du -sh /*
[14:33] <qman__> that will sum each of the directories in the root
[14:33] <qman__> you can then get narrower in scope until you nail down what's using all that space
[14:33] <qman__> you can also use find to search for files over a certain size
[14:33] <qman__> find / -type f -size +100M
[14:34] <qman__> will find all files 100MB or larger
[14:56] <rurufufuss> qman__: thanks
[15:18] <AfroMark> Can anyone help me set up Samba on my server? I'm having difficulty getting it to work.
[16:07]  * n00b123 is Back !!
[17:00] <agu10^_> Response:	550 Create directory operation failed.
[17:04] <bekks> agu10^_: Are we supposed to guess when and what is causing that message? :)
[17:04] <agu10^_> filezilla when uploading through ssh
[17:04] <agu10^_> how can i fix it?
[17:04] <bekks> agu10^_: Thats not FTP, but SFTP, which, in fact, is SSH.
[17:05] <agu10^_> yes
[17:05] <bekks> And that message indicates that you dont have permissions to create that directory.
[17:05] <agu10^_> why don't i?
[17:06] <agu10^_> that folder's permissions is 775
[17:06] <agu10^_> and i'm the owner
[17:06] <agu10^_> so WTF
[17:11] <skraito> hi all
[17:12] <skraito> where do you get  /etc/motd script from
[17:12] <skraito> in ubuntu server
[17:12] <qman__> skraito, it is generated automatically using update-motd
[17:17] <skraito> update-motd ?
[17:17] <skraito> is that a command ?
[17:17] <skraito> nothing there
[17:18] <skraito> i want to erase it how to do it ?
[17:19] <agu10^_> Why can't i create dirs without sudo? permissions are 775. WTF?
[17:20] <qman__> skraito, no, it is a package, see man update-motd
[17:27] <agu10^_> okay at /var/www i can create dirs. but at /var/www/wildcard i can't! Why is this? wildcard is 775.
[19:34] <streulma> why is Postfix config splitted in Ubuntu ?
[19:46] <shankstaBytes> is there an sftp banning program?
[19:46] <shankstaBytes> like failed login banning
[20:07] <RoyK> streulma: what do you mean split?
[22:14] <phunyguy> hello, I followed a guide on ubuntu.com to set up a bridged network interface, but I am getting errors in syslog saying:May  5 18:06:27 outerbanks kernel: [ 1691.020167] br0: received packet on eth1 with own address as source address
[22:24] <wilmaaaah> evening
[22:25] <wilmaaaah> has anyone running a kvm server with several virtual desktops? i have poor video performance
[22:25] <wilmaaaah> will a better graphics card on the server improve the performance?
[22:25] <wilmaaaah> or is this a client side issue?
[22:28] <wilmaaaah> i've switched from vnc to spice and it's not much of an improvement
[22:28] <wilmaaaah> serverside i have a 8mb onboard chip
[22:32] <wilmaaaah> i mean, the audio is awesome. maybe it's the weak chip on my client


[04:03] <billybigrigger> evening all
[23:17]  * KombuchaKip is most amused http://www.mindwarpsectorfour.com/creditcard.html


[09:39] <thorwil> morning!
[09:40] <thorwil> kwwii, looks like we really have to split the Backgrounds page now. damn "wiki surge protection". it's rather a protection against just bloody working
[09:59]  * thorwil sends mail about that
[12:48] <macvr> _MMA_: why have you removed the icons? is it because they have been accepted/rejected ?
[12:49] <macvr> from wiki
[12:56] <_MMA_> macvr: Some, because they have sat too long. Some because I am uploading. Mostly because people are adding things unnecessarily and its triggering the surge protection *WAY* too much.
[12:58] <macvr> :) yeah i had that prob a couple of times !... btw do u have the "new" .svg  sebastien had done?
[12:58] <_MMA_> The ones using his glyph?
[12:59] <macvr> yes
[12:59] <_MMA_> And though I removed them from the wiki, the attachments are still there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile
[13:04] <_MMA_> kwwii: When you make a go at getting Breathe into Universe?
[13:04] <kwwii> ouch, someone remind me how I got home last night and why I feel like such shit
[13:05] <_MMA_> hahaha
[13:05] <kwwii> _MMA_: we could do that tomorrow
[13:05] <kwwii> no thinking for today
[13:05] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ok. Ill be working tomorrow though.
[13:05] <_MMA_> Im sure you can handle it.
[13:06] <macvr> i wanted to use the green color gradient he had done, for the defaults emblem, i dont like my color !... the svg aint there , i'v checked, was hoping you had it so i could finish it today. ... he seems to be away :(
[13:07] <_MMA_> macvr: If you can get the page up, the SVGs are there.
[13:07] <_MMA_> Or, at least the pngs.
[13:07] <macvr> he just uploaded the png
[13:07] <_MMA_> Then email him directly.
[13:07] <_MMA_> Ill just tell him to get online. :P
[13:07] <macvr> he seems to be away...
[13:08] <_MMA_> (I hope he didnt have anything to do today)
[13:08] <macvr> _MMA_: done uploading your icons?
[13:08] <_MMA_> macvr: He's *rarely* on IRC/Gmail/Jabber.
[13:09] <_MMA_> I've made my uploads yes. I have to hunt down some issues with a symlink though.
[13:09] <_MMA_> But that's the packaging branch.
[13:10] <macvr> oh!
[13:13] <_MMA_> The places menu is showing a Human icon for a flash drive where Nautilus displays a Breathe one. Very odd.
[13:13] <_MMA_> As this just happened. (maybe I just saw it)
[15:04] <macvr> anyone feedback on this> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-readonly1.png
[15:04] <macvr> _MMA_: ^ ?
[15:05] <_MMA_> Too flat. Unrealistic.
[15:07] <_MMA_> macvr: I think the "new" glyph you want is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/mailmessagenew.svg-20090507000204-eqi1ooffc4prnbkc-4/mail-message-new.svg
[15:09] <macvr> thats not the one... sebastien had done with a different green, that was nice and bright
[15:09] <_MMA_> Ok.
[15:10] <macvr> _MMA_: any ideas on how to make the lock better?
[15:10] <_MMA_> macvr: Make it photo-realistic.
[15:10] <macvr> its the emblem
[15:11] <_MMA_> Ahh... You must mention that. ;)
[15:11] <macvr> i thought u might have read the label
[15:11] <macvr> you^
[15:11] <_MMA_> macvr: I see. Let me wrap up this email to the list and I'll think.
[15:11] <macvr> its the emblem-readonly icon...
[15:11] <macvr> ok
[15:40] <macvr> thorwil: hi... :) if you are not busy....feedback on this for emblem-readonly icon> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-readonly1.png ?
[15:41] <thorwil> macvr, it's either too flat or not flat enough
[15:41] <thorwil> macvr, make it more realistic or more symbolic
[15:42] <macvr> for emblem making it more flat would be better right?
[15:42] <knome> the smallest size looks way the best
[15:43] <macvr> i was actually aiming at getting that right first
[15:43] <macvr> knome: arent the 16px more used for emblems?
[15:44] <knome> i suppose so, but all the sizess have to look good
[15:45] <macvr> actually i went overboard with the gradients with the bigger sizes... i'm make them like the 16px
[15:45] <macvr> :)
[15:47] <thorwil> macvr, flat or realistic emblems is a stylistic decision that should be made once ...
[15:48] <_MMA_> I address this in my coming email. (any min now)
[15:48] <_MMA_> "Cruft, stuff and other junk..." coming down now.
[15:48] <macvr> how is this > http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-readonly2.png
[15:49] <_MMA_> macvr: No. I think we should go photo-realistic on this.
[15:49] <macvr> _MMA_: ok.
[15:50] <_MMA_> If anyone here is interested in/working on Breathe, check your email.
[15:55] <_MMA_> I'm going to the grocery store. I'll be back soon. (give you guys time to reply)
[15:56] <spg76> Hi
[15:57]  * _MMA_ waves and heads out.
[15:58] <macvr> spg76: hi... could you upload the new .svg... i wan to  use the gradients for the emblem default?
[15:58] <macvr> the green you had used was bright and warm
[16:00] <spg76> macvr: Oh, ok. I thought  you want to use the symbol and it's not the final icon until we decide it
[16:01] <spg76> I'll send you a "new " file right away.
[16:01] <macvr> no... i liked the color, i have the emblem ready but the colors i choose just aernt that good :(
[16:01] <macvr> :)
[16:04] <spg76> macvr: sent
[16:06] <macvr> spg76: got it :) thanx
[16:07] <macvr> spg76: regarding the calender... the problem why the numbers/lines are blurry is because they cut the pixels a lot...
[16:08] <spg76> macvr: that's why I remove the numbers as Andrew suggested
[16:10] <macvr> but then it looks hollow... i thought maybe if you got them aligned it might look better.
[16:11] <macvr> only the 128px could have the numbers
[16:11] <macvr> the 48px could have the dots... but the 128 looks very empty
[16:16] <spg76> macvr: I thought about that and maybe I'll add the numbers to the 128px on a future revision but I don't know about the dots in the 48px
[16:16] <spg76> I use them in the 32px and I don't like how it looks.
[16:27] <_MMA_> spg76: Just a note, I upped the one w/numbers. Can always be changed later.
[16:33]  * _MMA_ also has to see what the trash icon used on some dialogs is called.
[16:33] <macvr> _MMA_: the smileys> i didnt pay much attention to the 128px , for the smaller sizes adding more shine more detail didnt make much difference in the png output. so i removed whatever extra stuff i did for them and maintained the same for the 128px... but as you say its not fully there, i'll add details to the 128px
[16:34] <macvr> _MMA_: emblems> u want the symbolic-link one in white/grey?
[16:35] <_MMA_> macvr: Please reply in email.
[16:35] <macvr> AW!
[16:37] <_MMA_> macvr: You'll learn. ;) IRC is fine for quick chat. But for things that require, lengthy text replies, the list is best. Especially when replying to a email like the one I sent.
[16:38] <spg76> _MMA_: I think the icon it's in actions
[16:38] <spg76> editdelete
[16:38] <spg76> edit-delete
[16:38] <spg76> gtk-delete
[16:38] <spg76> stock_delete
[16:38] <spg76> _MMA_: the trash icon :)
[16:39] <_MMA_> spg76: That's what I was thinking. I think Daniel is working on that so I'll leave it be for now.
[16:40] <spg76> I gotta run
[16:40] <spg76> I'll try to get here later
[16:41] <spg76> See you later.
[17:23] <macvr> _MMA_: sent mail...
[17:23] <macvr> ^I'v
[17:30] <macvr> if u have replied, ping me, my mail client checks only once an hour
[17:31] <_MMA_> I'm replying now.
[17:34] <_MMA_> macvr: Sent. It's there.
[17:37] <macvr> _MMA_: i mant ETA for when you want the emotes/emblems! when do you plan next release?
[17:37] <macvr> ^meant
[17:38] <_MMA_> I have no plan really.
[17:39] <_MMA_> Well, once some things are fixed and more icons round out the set, I'll do another release.
[17:39] <_MMA_> Just depends on the quality and amount of the submissions.
[17:39] <macvr> _MMA_: hei...! then why are you pushing me around :P
[17:40] <_MMA_> macvr: Because you're my slave.
[17:40] <macvr> _MMA_: i'm not sure i can do the emotes-glasses... i'll try but i almost sure i wont do a good job
[17:40]  * macvr whipped!
[17:41] <_MMA_> macvr: Do what you can. If it comes down to it, someone else can refine. But don't take that as license to give up.
[17:42] <macvr> _MMA_: OK... just as a rough timeline... give me 2 weeks for the rest of the emotes
[17:42] <_MMA_> k
[17:43]  * macvr whipped back to emblems :P
[17:49] <macvr> _MMA_: before you go... i'm working on this... its not complete, the colors/shades are still not done, but does this work for emblems-default?  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-default6.png
[17:51] <_MMA_> Hmm... I'm unsure.
[17:52] <_MMA_> Doesn't grab me. The check mark feels odd.
[17:53] <macvr> the default emblem was the check mark so i did this... well i'll upload it when its done and then u can decide... i didnt want to do straight lines
[17:54] <thorwil> macvr: you should work on the bend a bit
[17:54] <macvr> as in? make it curve more?
[17:54] <thorwil> macvr: make it look good ;)
[17:55] <macvr> :P
[17:55] <macvr> that i'm never gonna !
[17:56] <macvr> thorwil: i always just stcuk trying not to make it too different between the sizes... maybe i should be more free at the larger sizes?
[17:56] <macvr> ^stcuk
[17:56] <macvr> ^stuck!
[17:57] <_MMA_> macvr: Try to do this style: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/dialogerror.png-20090610220345-fdt85tf0id2yj8zx-8/dialog-error.png
[17:58] <macvr> _MMA_: for default?
[17:58] <_MMA_> Look here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/files/head%3A/source_svg/rendered and look at the dialog-* images.
[17:59] <_MMA_> For style.
[18:00] <_MMA_> Actually, why aren't you just doing a check mark? That would be more fitting with your current work right?
[18:00] <macvr> aw... i didnt think of that! but i wanted to use the hexagon!
[18:01] <_MMA_> macvr: Consistency must always be kept in mind.
[18:02] <macvr> :P ... i'll see with just the check mark
[18:03] <macvr> but i felt that the hexagon kinda fit for default.
[18:17] <macvr> _MMA_: that whole dialogue icons were not in the last release! i'll try to make them look similar. but does the emblem have to be similar to dialogue icons?
[18:17] <_MMA_> macvr: Then subscribe to the changes to the BZR branches. ;)
[18:19] <_MMA_> There are things that would help to make the look consistent throughout the set. This, might be one of them.
[18:20] <_MMA_> And ultimately, I have to think about that vs. simply accepting an submission because someone did the work.
[18:20] <_MMA_> We are starting to have style issues here and there.
[18:20] <macvr> how do i subscribe to bazaar changes?
[18:21] <macvr> do i have to setup an account?
[18:21] <_MMA_> Are you on Launchpad?
[18:21] <macvr> s
[18:21] <_MMA_> Have an account?
[18:21] <macvr> yes
[18:22] <macvr> https://launchpad.net/~drkvi-a
[18:22] <_MMA_> Look on far right: https://code.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk
[18:23] <macvr> oh... its in the code section... i usually stay clear of that... ok... thanks
[18:23] <_MMA_> np
[18:26] <_MMA_> macvr: Also note that subscribing to the wiki changes (which I know you do) will help. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons
[18:26] <_MMA_> I usually add the icons to the wiki at the same time I add to BZR.
[18:27] <macvr> :)
[18:27] <macvr> cheeky little notifier on top!
[18:27] <macvr> no privacy :P
[23:14] <macvr> _MMA_: did u check the submissions?
[23:14] <_MMA_> Not yet.
[23:14] <macvr> how is the default emblem now? better?
[23:16] <_MMA_> I don't know. Just not grabbing me atm. As it's Sunday night and I'm winding down I really can't make a solid opinion.
[23:18] <macvr> ok then... take your time... i'll catch you later... :)
[23:18] <_MMA_> Actually, I'd rather others chime in. It's alot of weight managing all this and sometimes I want to see what others say before I jump in. Helps me a bit.
[23:18] <_MMA_> ok.
[23:18] <_MMA_> I should log off actually. Later


[03:06] <NoCode> Hi, I just installed the latest realtime Linux-Image, while rebooting, I get a blank screen. Should I be using another dependency with another linux-image? Not sure what's going on. I just had a working image before I reformated.
[08:51] <_shaun_> hi guys i have a massive image that ubuntu insists on printing to one page, how do i print this image to multiple pages?
[08:54] <valorie> since it's an ubuntu problem, perhaps ask in #ubuntu ?
[08:55] <_shaun_> ok cool valorie i have posted there
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:43] <Guest76868> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.4.2 on Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) powered by Linux 4.2.0-16-generic, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II P320 Dual-Core Processor at 800-2100/2100 MHz, RAM: 2674/2751 MB, Storage: 2/2 GB, 166 procs, 0.39h up
[09:44] <Asach> Hello, I am on 15.10 and could you please tell me how do i see a file saved on desktop?
[09:46] <valorie> hmm, I think you right-click on the desktop and make it folder view
[09:47] <valorie> desktop settings, yes
[09:47] <valorie> sorry, leaving....
[09:52] <Asach> but it appears in a widget view. can we make it look like Windows Desktop icons? sorry, fairly new here
[09:53] <lordievader> Asach: What valorie says achieves just that.
[09:56] <Asach> lordievader: thanks but I did just that... But there appears a widget like background behind the icons... I do not want it like that
[09:59] <lordievader> Here it just displays the icons. You are sure you are not using the folder view widget?
[10:03] <Asach> If I right click on the desktop, I see these options - run command, activities, unlock widgets, lock screen, leave, desktop settings
[10:04] <lordievader> Yeah, that sound like you added the folder view widget rather than setting the desktop mode to folder view.
[10:06] <Asach> I dont see an option to make it folder view :(
[10:07] <lordievader> Right click on the desktop -> desktop settings -> Layout -> folderview -> apply.
[10:09] <Asach> ha ha, I got my mistake, I had locked the widgets so couldn't enable folder view... Much thanks <Lordievader>
[10:09] <lordievader> ;)
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:13] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo
[12:24] <JediMaster> hi, I've got kubuntu 15.10 running fine on my laptop here (dell xps with intel + nvidia gpus), but I'm having problems with the login screen freezing after a few seconds on my desktop (nvidia gtx 970)
[12:25] <JediMaster> I've got the nvidia drivers installed, but when it switches to X, it shows the login screen, and for a few seconds the framerate is really slow (2-3 fps) then it freeze completely
[12:26] <JediMaster> the mouse cursor vanishes, and I can't ctrl-alt-f1 etc to get to the console, but in the first few seconds I can still switch out to the console, after that I have to hit the reset button
[12:27] <JediMaster> if it makes any difference, this is with dual 4k UHD monitors on display port
[12:27] <JediMaster> the odd thing is that occasically I've been able to log in, and as soon as it's logged in the weird framerate goes away and everything is fine, but now it's freezing so fast I can't log in
[12:28] <JediMaster> the clock on the login screen is now 12 minutes behind when I tried to log in
[12:28] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, install nvidia-prime
[12:29] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: this is on the desktop with a single GPU
[12:29] <JediMaster> IIRC prime is the bumblebee equivilant right?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> sort of , JediMaster you just decscribed an Optimus dual gpu setup "dell xps with intel + nvidia gpus"
[12:32] <JediMaster> actually I said that I've got it working fine in that setup, it's the nvidia only desktop that's causing the issue
[12:32] <JediMaster> normally I'd expect laptop issues with *ubuntu rather than desktop =)
[12:33] <JediMaster> just installing ssh server so I can see what's going on when it freezes
[12:36] <BluesKaj> I guess too much info confused me, perhaps more direct info about desktop was in order
[12:37] <BluesKaj> anyway recommend driver in system settings driver manager , if that's possible
[12:38] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: sorry got disconnected
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I guess too much info confused me, perhaps more direct info about desktop was in order
[12:38] <JediMaster> interesting, after swtiching from the console to X, 10 seconds later it froze completely (about 2fps before then), but so did SSH, I can no longer ping the iP of the machien
[12:38] <BluesKaj> anyway recommend driver in system settings driver manager , if that's possible
[12:39] <JediMaster> fairly sure I used the propriatory driver from the driver manager
[12:39] <JediMaster> ok, resetting again
[12:40] <JediMaster> if I switch into the console as soon as it goes into X, the machine doesn't crash
[12:40] <JediMaster> it's when I leave it on X for more than about 10 seconds the whole machine freezes up, no network response etc
[12:40] <JediMaster> can't even press the caps-lock button on the keyboard
[12:40] <BluesKaj> which nvidia driver?
[12:41] <JediMaster> nvidia-352-updates
[12:41] <JediMaster> prime is also installed it seems
[12:42] <JediMaster> maybe I'll try 352 instead
[12:43] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, don't use the updates, just the plain 352
[12:44] <JediMaster> yeah, doing it now
[12:46] <JediMaster> ok, I've --purge removed 352-updates and instsalled 352, rebooted, and same thing =/
[12:46] <JediMaster> can't ping the machien
[12:46] <JediMaster> *machine
[12:47] <JediMaster> shall I try 340 maybe?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, check the nvidia site to see what they reommend as a linuc driver then choose that on efrom the repos if available, thnk the 356 is more like it
[12:48] <JediMaster> right, use their packages directly
[12:48] <BluesKaj> not the nvidia sitesd driver , I mean the ubuntu version from the deb repos
[12:50] <BluesKaj> JediMaster,^
[12:51] <JediMaster> oh right, I couldn't see 356 from the official repos
[12:51] <BluesKaj> well if the 356 doesn't work the  drop to the 340, both from the repos
[12:52] <JediMaster> do you mean 352?
[12:52] <JediMaster> nvidia's site gives you 352 for linux
[12:53] <BluesKaj> oops 346
[12:53] <BluesKaj> sorry
[12:55] <JediMaster> no worries, going to try blacklisting the noveau drivers in modrpobe first
[12:56] <BluesKaj> don't think that's necessary, but that's your call
[12:57] <JediMaster> yeah, didn't help
[12:57] <BluesKaj> the 340 works fine on my entry level GT218, so it should work on your fancier gpu
[12:59] <JediMaster> what's the window manager for the login on kubuntu?
[12:59] <JediMaster> is it sddm?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> if you're on 15.04 or later
[13:01] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:15] <akhtar> Helo
[13:17] <JediMaster> meh, wireless =/ ok, now I'm connected via ethernet... I'm trying nvidia-340
[13:18] <JediMaster> well that is interesting
[13:18] <JediMaster> with nvidia-340 the console is now full screen, where as it was about 1/4 of the screen in the middle before (uhd monitors)
[13:18] <JediMaster> however, X doesn't want to start, it's just black
[13:19] <BluesKaj> startx?
[13:19] <akhtar> Helo master how to install themes for kubuntu
[13:20] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: comes up in low graphics mode, I see on the console: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_340': No such device
[13:20] <BluesKaj> akhtar, systemsettings>workspace theme
[13:21] <JediMaster> lots of Plasma crash dialogs, with a black screen behind
[13:21] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, nvidia-340
[13:22] <akhtar> ok thanks Blueskaj
[13:22] <BluesKaj> no underscore
[13:23] <JediMaster> that's the error that startx threw up
[13:23] <JediMaster> not me typing anything =)
[13:23] <JediMaster> nvidia-340 is installed
[13:23] <JediMaster> no freeze, just a black screen now
[13:24] <JediMaster> I can switch to console
[13:24] <akhtar> Hello I have two partition in my laptop Win and Ubuntu
[13:25] <akhtar> so every reboot ntfs drive not automatic mounting
[13:25] <akhtar> can somebosy give solution
[13:25] <BluesKaj> have you updated and upgraded lately? it could be a kernel module problem JediMaster
[13:25] <akhtar> #somebody
[13:25] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: it's a fresh install of Kubuntu 15.10
[13:26] <BluesKaj> akhtar, open a terminal, sudo update-grub
[13:26] <JediMaster> weird, X is moaning about not being able to load nouveau
[13:26] <JediMaster> I've got a USB stick with Kubuntu here, I'll try booting off that
[13:26] <BluesKaj> fresh install, but it may need upa=dating and upgrading , JediMaster
[13:27] <JediMaster> yeah done update && upgrade
[13:27] <BluesKaj> also dist-upgradew
[13:27] <JediMaster> yeah, no outstanding packages
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:28] <JediMaster> ah yes, I seem to remember having problems with the usb stick too
[13:28] <JediMaster> the monitor turns off when it starts x
[13:29] <JediMaster> actually not even the kubuntu logo, it's before X
[13:31] <akhtar> ok I'll try Blueskaj
[13:35] <hateball> JediMaster: 340 driver has no 970 support
[13:36] <JediMaster> ahh that probably doesn't help, thanks
[13:36] <hateball> JediMaster: I'd add this PPA https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa and grab the 355 driver
[13:36] <akhtar> i havebeen reboot linux and try still show error
[13:37] <akhtar> error mounting /dev/sda at /media....
[13:39] <lordievader> What error?
[13:39] <JediMaster> ok, trying nvidia-352, but going to tailf the xorg log file while it crashes on an ssh terminal
[13:40] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, run mvidia=xconfig
[13:40] <BluesKaj> nvidia-xconfig
[13:41] <akhtar> An error occurred while accessing 'Data', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sda4 at /media/akhtar/Data: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda4" "/media/akhtar/Data"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0). Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/sda4': Operation
[13:41] <akhtar>  not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[13:41] <akhtar> that's error for mounting ntfs
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !paste > akhtar
[13:42] <JediMaster> ok, this may not be gpu related
[13:42] <JediMaster> akhtar: that sounds like you suspended or hibernated windows, reboot, shut it down and try again
[13:43] <BluesKaj> akhtar, you might need to disable sleep in your Windows install
[13:43] <lordievader> akhtar: Did your Windows crash? Since this is a common error if an ntfs partition wasn't unmounted properly.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> lordievader, hibernation takes over on some windows installs instead of shutdown, it has to ne disabled
[13:47] <akhtar> No windows haad been shutdown
[13:47] <akhtar> i have  OS
[13:47] <akhtar> i have 2 OS
[13:47] <akhtar> Win and Ubuntu
[13:48] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Same problem, hibernation/sleep doesn't unmount the partition.
[13:48] <lordievader> akhtar: Reboot to Windows and cleanly shut it down again.
[13:48] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: this is what happens every time I reboot, go to the console (before X crashes), then from ssh tailf the syslog the instant I switch to ctrl-alt-f7: http://pastebin.com/VDAQ5UiH
[13:50] <BluesKaj> akhtar,boot into windows and do this: http://pastebin.ca/3277114
[13:52] <JediMaster> and running out of power on your laptop also doesn't help
[13:53] <JediMaster> so, I'm thinking this crash as X starts up is more likely USB or network related given the syslog entries as I ctrl-alt-f7 in
[13:54] <JediMaster> the last entries straight before the crash are avahi-daemon, NetworkManager, dhclient
[13:55] <lordievader> Correlation does not indicate causality ;)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, I'm nor seeing anything helpful in the pastebin
[13:56] <JediMaster> lordievader: true, and I've verified, that networkmanager is running and I have a network connection if I ctrl-alt-f1 very quickly at the start and it doesn't crash until I go back into X
[13:57] <JediMaster> dhclient, NetworkManager and avahi are all running
[13:57] <lordievader> JediMaster: Have you already pasted an X log?
[13:57] <JediMaster> not yet, let me try
[13:58] <JediMaster> http://pastebin.com/v4qHk6b0 that is just now, I have ctrl-alt-f1'ed into the terminal, I can ssh into the machine, no problems
[13:59] <JediMaster> on ssh I'm going to tailf the log while I ctrl-alt-f7 in and see what comes up
[13:59] <lordievader> JediMaster: Why is nomodeset set?
[14:00] <JediMaster> ahh yes, that's because it won't boot at all without it
[14:00] <JediMaster> let me turn it off and try again
[14:01] <lordievader> That setting usually creates a lot of problems with the closed source drivers.
[14:01] <lordievader> X doesn't seem to crash by the way. Or at least not in that log.
[14:02] <JediMaster> ok, without it it does seem to boot, then crashed again 5 seconds into the login screen
[14:02] <JediMaster> I had to set it to get the kubuntu usb stick to work
[14:03] <JediMaster> lordievader:  http://pastebin.com/NV7Hw9d1 this is post ctrl-alt-f7
[14:03] <JediMaster> lordievader: also nice nick =)
[14:04] <hateball> JediMaster: did you try 355 yet
[14:05] <JediMaster> hateball: where can you get it from, I only see 350 in the official ubuntu repos and nvidia's own download is 350
[14:05] <hateball> JediMaster: I gave you a link to https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:05] <JediMaster> ah thanks, sorry I got disconnected a few times earlier
[14:05] <hateball> 352 is what is in 15.10
[14:06] <hateball> and it *should* work with 970, but you never know since it is quite a new card. also the fact you're on a hybrid setup
[14:07] <JediMaster> hateball: I'm actually on a single gpu 970 setup
[14:07] <JediMaster> I'm trying it now thanks
[14:10] <hateball> JediMaster: oh. maybe I misread something making me think you were on a hybrid setup
[14:10] <hateball> JediMaster: anyhow, 355 is flawless for me, so if things are still broken it is possible... it is something else :p
[14:13] <BluesKaj> hateball, the 355 isn't in the repos
[14:13] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: ppa
[14:14] <BluesKaj> well , if the 352 won't run .....
[14:15] <hateball> The whole point is the card is new, so 340 wont run it at all. 352 *should* work, but
[14:15] <BluesKaj> think it's his displayport to monitor connection
[14:16] <BluesKaj> can't hurt to try the ppa I guess
[14:17] <hateball> I use HDMI so I can't say anything about displayport related issues
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yeah, I use dvi>hdmi cable
[14:20] <JediMaster> fingers crossed
[14:20] <JediMaster> 352 installed and rebooting....
[14:20] <JediMaster> no, same freeze, 5 seconds into the login screen
[14:20] <hateball> Thought it was 352 you already used?
[14:20] <JediMaster> duh, yeah, sorry I installed the wrong one, meh, it's a monday
[14:21] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, maybe the 355/ppa is worth a try
[14:21] <JediMaster> I meant to =)
[14:26] <JediMaster> hateball: that's sorted it
[14:27] <hateball> marvelous
[14:27] <JediMaster> 355 doesn't crash, strangely I get around 1 fps on the login screen, then everything is fine
[14:27] <JediMaster> which I was getting before
[14:27] <lordievader> Nice ;)
[14:27] <lordievader> Too new of a card thus?
[14:28] <JediMaster> I've had my 970 for quite a while
[14:28] <JediMaster> it worked on 14.04
[14:28] <JediMaster> maybe it's display port related (dual 4k UHD screens)
[14:29] <JediMaster> or the other quirk is they're G-Sync monitors
[14:29] <lordievader> Ohhh, nice :D
[14:29] <JediMaster> which I've seen strange refresh rate issues on windows in certain games with certain settings
[14:51] <rodrigomatias> I realized that there is not more updates on kde packages, there was a problem in packaging?
[14:52] <rodrigomatias> I'm going out for lunch, if I can help with anything.
[14:53] <lordievader> rodrigomatias: If you want to help out you should ask in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[15:03] <aluno1> oi
[15:04] <aluno2> oi
[15:06] <lordievader> ?
[15:21] <fenyx> Hi, after fresh install the "kdesudo systemsettings5" command shows me this > http://img.pixady.com/2015/12/594881_snapshot1.png
[15:22] <fenyx> and "kdesudo dolphin" looks like this and seems to be not working at all for its main purpose (browsing files) > http://img.pixady.com/2015/12/353897_snapshot2.png
[15:23] <fenyx> What could I do to solve this?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> fenyx, what about your /home/user?
[15:27] <lordievader> fenyx: Is there any reason you need to run those things as root?
[15:34] <fenyx> "fenyx, what about your /home/user" what do you mean? I didn't modify anything yet so my home folder is untouched yet
[15:37] <fenyx> "fenyx: Is there any reason you need to run those things as root?" thanks to answer a question to a question, lol. Yes there is some reasons. And above all I've always been able to start Dolphin as root from KDE, so why should it change? If I open any app as root like leafpad or Kate, I want to be able to set its appearence, just as an example.
[15:39] <fenyx> I understand why starting a session as root is bad, but why starting a root app occasionnally wouldn't be possible? Isn't Linux the freedom land anymore? :)
[15:42] <fenyx> I can open file manager as root in Gnome 3 so it is only a KDE related problem. I prefer KDE, that's my weakness
[15:43] <fenyx> So what can i do? install a missing package or something?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> fenyx, it is strange that your root  options are blocked tho
[15:43] <lordievader> Running gui applications as root is allways finnicky. What likely happens/happened is that the root session has a different configuration which sets icons that cannot be found.
[15:46] <fenyx> lordievader, that's why I've set breeze icons or different icon sets in systemsettings5 open as root, it usually solves appearence issues
[15:47] <lordievader> You could run an strace with the -e open option. Then you can see what it tries to open/what it fails to find.
[15:47] <fenyx> BluesKaj, yes appearence is a thing. But the fact that dolphin couldn't browse "/" is really weird
[15:48] <fenyx> lordievader, super! at least the beginning of something. Will try now
[15:48] <BluesKaj> fenyx, so you have / and /home partitions
[15:50] <fenyx> BluesKaj, no my home is not on a separate partition, only /boot is in its separate ext2 partition
[15:58] <fenyx> lordievader, I've pasted the result of "strace -e open kdesudo dolphin" here > https://paste.kde.org/pffjxzab1
[16:00] <fenyx> Could my problem be related to "QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to /tmp/runtime-root"?
[16:01] <lordievader> fenyx: I was about to point to that line. Along with the null pixmap, that is why there are no icons.
[16:02] <lordievader> The XDG_RUNTIME_DIR should probably set to /run/user/0. This shows one of the pitfalls when running things as root ;)
[16:07] <fenyx> lordievader, Do you think that setting this XDG_RUNTIME_DIR could generate my problems than solutions?
[16:07] <fenyx> *more problems
[16:07] <lordievader> If set correctly it should do no harm. However I do not think that that is the acual problem, rather an indication of a problem.
[16:08] <lordievader> The problem lies, more likely, in the fact that whatever is responsible for setting those environment variables (most likely plasmashell) does not set them for the root user.
[16:21] <fenyx> lordievader, I've searched on the web and from what I've found I've started the "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY dolphin" but even this way the result is exactly the same
[16:22] <lordievader> I don't think that that command ever sets the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR...
[16:23] <rattking> Hi all.. Hows the stability of plasma 5 these days in kubuntu? I backed off to 4 around 15.04 ish due to plasma 5 being crashy.. but now my ssd is failing and I need to install a OS on a new one
[16:32] <BluesKaj> rattking, plasma on 15.10 is relatively stable ..and how old is your ssd ? I just installed one a month ago .
[16:33] <rattking> 3 years I think
[16:35] <BluesKaj> rattking, hope mine lasts a ittle longer, but I had a hdd die after 3yrs, a WD 1TB HDD
[16:37] <rattking> I hope soo too.. I do a lot of writing..  but now I am finding I often cant write to files.. and unexplained (no system crashes) FS corruption
[16:37] <BluesKaj> rattking, have you run smart tools on the ssd?
[16:38] <rattking> yep.. it 'passed' but that doesnt mean too much
[16:38] <sjattah> isn't KDE supposed to start .xprofile when I log in?
[16:43] <NoCode> what package is Raleigh in? GTK theme I guess.
[17:18] <fenyx> lordievader, "I don't think that that command ever sets the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR.." yes but I'm searching the web again and again and find no solution. I see some tips about visudo and /etc/sudoers, and about removing the ~/.Xauthority file that will be regenerated. Does it look like serious tracks to a solution?
[17:19] <fenyx> (never had this issues with openSUSE KDE, I'm wasting my whole afternoon on a simple thing like this, never had to do that)
[17:19] <fenyx> Please help
[17:20] <fenyx> echo $HOME as root returns '/root'
[17:22] <fenyx> echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR as root returns just an empty line, I understand better the original question about Home by BluesKaj
[17:23] <fenyx> echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR as normal user returns '/run/user/1000'
[17:24] <fenyx> sudo cat /etc/sudoers returns this: https://paste.kde.org/pee4lmdqc
[17:33] <fenyx> nobody with an idea?
[17:36] <fenyx> Ok will go back to openSUSE or I may abandon KDE. Too much hours passed to make simple things work, KDE makes me so frustrated while I've never used another DE. I regret the incapibilities of KDE/Ubuntu teams to make things simple. Bye
[19:30] <SomeGuy> Hi. I'm looking for some basic advice about running Kubuntu on newer hardware. I'm not normally a Linux user, but come from an OSX background.
[19:31] <SomeGuy> Newer hardware meaning new laptops or ultrabooks.
[19:32] <SomeGuy> I've been dissapointed by Kubuntu on an older Lenovo IdeaPad S205 machine: EFI and grunt problems, video driver problems, screen flickering, had to disable composer, laptop cannot sleep, thinks like that.
[19:32] <SomeGuy> Do you think these would go away on a newer machine?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, which graphics first of all?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> i have a Lenovo G500 with Kubuntu 15.10 using intel graphics and it runs fine.
[19:37] <SomeGuy> hi BluesKaj, it may be this particular model, but my experience was not very pleasant
[19:37] <SomeGuy> i think i have ati graphics
[19:38] <BluesKaj> to make sure run, lspci | grep VGA
[19:38] <SomeGuy> the screen flickering and artefacts were a headache for a few days. disabling composer sort of fixed that, but plasma doesn't look as nice now
[19:38] <SomeGuy> i can't troubleshoot right now, i'm on a different laptop
[19:38] <SomeGuy> will try that
[19:39] <SomeGuy> i'm not good with linux, but i'm sort of a power user myself and usuly know my way around forums or troubleshooting guides
[19:40] <SomeGuy> but these few days drove me nuts... I was in here a couple of days ago asking about the "my laptop freezes instead of waking from sleep" problem. I think you were among the responders
[19:43] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, I'm not familiar with composer so i don't know how it may affect your graphics and my experience with ati/amd graphics is very limited
[19:44] <SomeGuy> ok. is there any way i can check compatibility, are there lists somewhere or something like that? should i just watch reviews or kubuntu on youtube or what? i'm interested in understanding if kubuntu is mature enough to run almost out of the box on a new system i would buy. no brand preference or anything.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> there are no particular brands that support linux unless you research system76, but iirc they run ubuntu with unity pre-installed , but there are ubuntu certified brands http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[19:55] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, and as far as kde is concerned , we're sort of on our own
[20:01] <SomeGuy> what does that mean, "on our own"? I'm fond of the new KDE plasma, it's actually the reason i would give linux a try again, after trying ubuntu, which came close
[20:02] <SomeGuy> i always found the linux guis rather... ugly. but this one looks very close to what i imagine a desktop environment should look like. and the amount of configuration options, oh boy!
[20:07] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, it means the kubuntu community depends on a group of dedicated developers who are much smaller in number than those at ubuntu/canonical and are a separate group supported by Blue Systems
[20:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.blue-systems.com/projects/
[20:08] <SomeGuy> i get it. i'm not making demans or anything :) so you're saying ubuntu would support a wider range of hardware configs?
[20:10] <SomeGuy> i'm just gonna shoot some questions at you. sorry if some of them seem dumb... but is KDE connected to kubuntu? can you run KDE on ubuntu?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> not necessarily
[20:11] <BluesKaj> yes you can run KDE on Ubuntu, the default desktop is Unityl, but if you install kubuntu-desktop you can choose which desktop to use at the login page
[20:11] <BluesKaj> and vice-versa
[20:12] <BluesKaj> !kde
[20:12] <BluesKaj> !unity
[20:13] <SomeGuy> thank you, that make things more clear
[20:13] <SomeGuy> so can you run plasma kde on any other distros?
[20:14] <lordievader> SomeGuy: I run Plasma5 on Gentoo. You should be able to compile Plasma on any (sane) distro.
[20:14] <BluesKaj> yes kde is a dektop environment available on most linux distros , not all but quite a few
[20:14] <SomeGuy> hmm. so installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu would sort of look like kubuntu? what part of kubuntu would i loose?
[20:15] <lordievader> SomeGuy: None. Installing that package installs, well, the Kubuntu desktop ;)
[20:16] <SomeGuy> ok. so say i'm really font of plasma5. what would you recommend running it on? i need lamp to run on it and not much else except email and stuff
[20:16] <SomeGuy> *fond
[20:16] <SomeGuy> or is that too much a matter of opinion?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> kubuntu 14.04 LTS runs plasma4 and will do evrything you need as well
[20:17] <SomeGuy> is there any reason not to run the lates kubuntu?
[20:18] <BluesKaj> it also has a more configurable desktop than plasma 5 IMO
[20:19] <SomeGuy> yeah, sorry if this sound strange, but does it look as good? :) i'm a web developer myself, i like nice things...
[20:19] <BluesKaj> SomeGuy, well being a webdev then you know that looks are a matter of taste first of all
[20:21] <SomeGuy> sure, sure. but come on, plasma 5 looks good. maybe it's got it's quirks, but most environments for linux are not famouse for their looks... or maybe i wasn't exposed to the right ones
[20:22] <SomeGuy> anyway, things are much clearer now. so i can run kde on something else and i need to decide on the distro
[20:22] <SomeGuy> tell me again, why would anyone run an older version of kubuntu? any reason not to go with 15.10?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> personally i prefer plasma4 , there are more "looks/themes" available
[20:23] <BluesKaj> have you tried 15.10 yet? I'm thinking of you gpu
[20:23] <BluesKaj> your
[20:23] <SomeGuy> that;s what i'm on. 15.10
[20:24] <BluesKaj> you can burn the iso to a disk or to usb sticj a "try kubuntU"
[20:24] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:25] <PyPie> hello
[20:25] <PyPie> anyone here?
[20:25] <SomeGuy> ok. thank you for the info, that was nice. and thanks everyone. i might be back for more in the next few days. see ya.
[20:25] <BluesKaj> ok, good luck
[20:26] <PyPie> how do you guys enter an en dash by using a Compose Key?
[20:26] <PyPie> my Compose Key is the Right Ctrl
[20:27] <PyPie> then I press&hold Right Ctrl and type two hyphens and release the Right Ctrl
[20:27] <PyPie> nothing happens
[20:27] <PyPie> if I press the hyšhen 3 times, I get an em dash, not what I want
[20:27] <BluesKaj> use the minus key on the numberpad with the right ctrl key
[20:27] <PyPie> —
[20:28] <BluesKaj> --
[20:28] <PyPie> -
[20:28] <PyPie> --
[20:28] <PyPie> ---
[20:28] <PyPie> —
[20:28] <PyPie> —
[20:28] <PyPie> ——
[20:28] <BluesKaj> or justthe minus key to the left of the backaspace/delete without ctl
[20:29] <BluesKaj> --------
[20:29] <PyPie> those are not en dashes
[20:29] <PyPie> what you just typed are hyphens
[20:29] <PyPie> - is a hyphen
[20:30] <PyPie> — is an en dash
[20:30] <PyPie> —— is an em dash
[20:30] <BluesKaj> hephens dashes, it makes no difference in text
[20:30] <PyPie> YES IT DOES!
[20:31] <BluesKaj> unless you're wring code I guess, but I wouldn't kno...I'm not a coder
[20:31] <BluesKaj> writing
[20:31] <PyPie> that's why everything is fucked up because of guys like you don't give a shit about the distinction between these 3 marks
[20:33] <BluesKaj> don't blame me, if you kubuntu help that's fine , but otherwise you should ask elsewhere, like ##linux maybe
[20:33] <BluesKaj> need
[21:10] <keithzg> Looks like the wrong dashes to me; – is an en dash, not —, which contrary to PyPie's claim is actually an em dash (PyPie's example of an em dash appears to just be two em dashes after eachother).
[21:12] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I sent him to ##linux and and he wouldn't acept their suggestions and made a fool of himself by yelling and using foul language and then he was banned
[21:13] <BluesKaj> we were spared the same behaviour
[21:15] <BluesKaj> and those guys are lot more tolerant of bad behavoir than most chats
[21:15] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Fair enough. Yeah he seemed to already be verging that way here near the end. Wonder if his blatant misuse of the terms in question betrayed a troll-y agenda or just anger issues. Oh well, c'est la vie and das ist mir wurst and all that ;)
[21:17] <BluesKaj> keithzg, think he was already quite frustrated by the lack of answers, and making the wrond assumption about en dash
[21:20] <BluesKaj> anyway it's been a long day again ...think I'm gonna close up shop for today....later
[21:20] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Take care
[21:29] <mustang> can someone point me in, around, or about the genpmk package
[21:30] <mustang> im trying to crack my wifi password here at the office, just to see if I can, and I was going to use genpmk to generate a rainbow table for my ssid
[23:07] <asdrubal> #reddit-comicbooks