[08:04] <xu-contribute8w> Why is xfce4-screensaver still at 4.16? This version crashes when you try to unlock the screen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screensaver/+bug/2015922
[08:04] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2015922 in xfce4-screensaver (Ubuntu) "xfce4-screensaver blanks screen multiple times while trying to unlock the screen" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[08:06] <xu-contribute8w> The xfce4 metapackage is at 4.18 ..and I'm using Xubuntu 23.04 btw
[08:06] <Unit193> Pretty sure xfce4-screensaver 4.18 was a much later release.
[09:00] <xu-contribute8w> Would be nice if there was some way to lift the screensaver. One would think that being able to unlock your computer after the screensaver activates is a pretty important feature :)
[09:01] <xu-contribute8w> I installed Xubuntu on 3 different computers when I convinced my wife to finally ditch Windows.. had to uninstall the screensaver on 2 of them, but I want her to be able to lock her laptop so that's not an option
[09:02] <xu-contribute8w> Sorry for the negative tone. I have used Xubuntu a lot in the past and had a very good experience, I'm just a bit frustrated with this issue and surprised that it's been around for such a long time
[09:05] <Unit193> I mean, I certainly don't mind the "tone" since you're not just screaming "fixit your crap is broken" :P  screensavers do seem to be a problem point for Linux as a whole, light-locker works for some but it also ends up being quite broken for others, xfce4-screensaver...well it works where it works, but on others it may crash or something, xscreensaver isn't problem free either.  On one system I
[09:05] <Unit193> actually switched to i3lock since that worked well on that system, but it wouldn't be the most user friendly.
[09:07] <Unit193> We do have a backports PPA that you could try getting the latest version of xfce4-screensaver and checking if that works for you any better?
[09:08] <xu-contribute8w> I felt like I was starting to get a bit sarcastic, and I didn't want to come across as rude towards FOSS maintainers/developers. I know it's an un-thankful work, and that users shouldn't demand people do things for them
[09:09] <Unit193> (https://gitlab.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-screensaver/-/issues/1 is the one I almost referenced.)
[09:09] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 1 in apps/xfce4-screensaver "xfce4-screensaver on laptop: lid action with suspend/resume  shows desktop content instead of lock-screen window" [Opened]
[09:12] <Unit193> As for the backports, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[09:13] <xu-contribute8w> Thanks! Any risk of updating other packages to something unstable by adding the staging ppa?
[09:14] <Unit193> Well, it's got *every* Xfce package in there, so there could be regressions.  But they're of the stable release so they *should* be just fine.
[09:15] <xu-contribute8w> I'll give it a try.
[09:19] <xu-contribute8w> I also have a strange possibly screen-saver related issue on one of the other computers, where I uninstalled xfce4-screensaver.. DPMS is disabled if I check with xset -q, but it still seems like something turns off the display when it's been idle for a while. Everything is also disabled in the energy settings. The problem is that the only way I've
[09:19] <xu-contribute8w> found to wake the display is to switch to a different tty (ctrl-alt-F2), suspend the computer, wake the computer, and switch back to the graphical desktop.. I don't expect anyone here to help me troubleshoot it, but is it something you recognize off the top of your head?
[09:24] <Unit193> Not offhand, but what you could do just to make sure is disable xfce4-power-manager, or try putting it in presentation mode, and see if it still happens.  With xfpm disabled, you could also look into /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[09:29] <xu-contribute8w> xfce4-screensaver from staging appears to have fixed the unlocking issue!
[09:29] <xu-contribute8w> I'll try disabling power manager on the other computer. thanks!
[09:31] <Unit193> Fantastic news!  I'm glad to know that it works better at least for some.


[01:04] <poningru> well that blew
[01:05] <poningru> we had one guy come by for the installfest
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> sad
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> where?
[01:05] <poningru> gainesville fl
[01:05] <poningru> see this was meant for non-students in a college town
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> Aaah
[01:08] <poningru> yeah so it was far away from campus
[01:08] <poningru> we didnt advertize on campus
[01:08] <poningru> hit all the grocery shops... craigslist... other random areas for flyering
[01:09] <poningru> apperantly the residents just arent that interested
[01:24] <Burgundavia> installfests are a challenge
[01:25] <Burgundavia> here is what I would do: make it a bring an old computer and install linux for donation fest
[01:27] <poningru> we had awesome success for oncampus stuff
[01:28] <poningru> its just the lug wanted to try something offcampus
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I'd love to get some oncampus stuff going - any tips from your success there?
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> Hey all, feedback welcome on http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/images/ *custom.svg
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> (Slightly modified versions of some that I think Madpilot gave me)
[01:53] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I didn't click, but is that the OBEY Ubuntu thing he's working on?
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: No, CD display stand.
[01:54] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: oh? Awesome
[02:03] <scamboy> helo..
[02:04] <lotusleaf> hi
[02:05] <scamboy> lotusleaf: so this is the marketing team for ubuntu???
[02:05] <lotusleaf> scamboy: see topic :)
[02:06] <scamboy> hmn.....
[02:06] <scamboy> so where does the marketing team based on asia??? or except isle where are they??
[02:08] <BHSPitLappy> huh?
[02:09] <scamboy> hah?
[02:10] <theCore> scamboy, the marketing team is just a group from the community that wants to promote Ubuntu
[02:10] <theCore> scamboy, nothing like a real marketing team
[02:11] <scamboy> oic
[02:12] <scamboy> so wat is the benefit of this channel??
[02:12] <BHSPitLappy> to talk about ubuntu marketing... :)
[02:13] <scamboy> i know...but how it works? this channel supports me or i support the channel??
[02:16] <BHSPitLappy> tonyyarusso, why is it the cool thing to do nowadays to install windows 3.1 in an emulator? :P
[02:16] <BHSPitLappy> scamboy, uhh, we just discuss how we promote ubuntu
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Not so much cool as possible.    Not sure if it's still technically pirating or if they wouldn't care any more.
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Although, yes, we do have floppies, as well as a functional machine, but that's at my other house.
[02:20] <BHSPitLappy> tonyyarusso, MS probably still offers it to retailers with a suggested price of $79
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> That's funny
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> Hmm...how many pieces of cardstock can I waste making mistakes?
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> Apparently there was a reason there were only 5 bullet points on the original
[02:21] <BHSPitLappy> use paper first
[02:22] <BHSPitLappy> and, by the way, I wasn't exactly drooling over the design you linked us to :/
[02:22] <theCore> tonyyarusso, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-chroot.html
[02:23] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Suggestions?  (Someone else made it, I just modded text)
[02:23] <BHSPitLappy> ah.
[02:23] <BHSPitLappy> well, it looks pretty unprofessional in its current state
[02:23] <theCore> tonyyarusso, downloads the latest debootstrap and follow the instructions
[02:23] <BHSPitLappy> like a 6th grade MS Office class project or something
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: So to fix that you would ____?
[02:24] <theCore> tonyyarusso, don't forget to change "edgy" for "feisty" in the commands
[02:24] <BHSPitLappy> "redo it myself" :P
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> theCore: All right, looks not-too-bad
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: How though?
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> It doesn't help to say that it should be "different" only.
[02:25] <BHSPitLappy> well, are you printing it with an inkjet or are you going to have something professionally done
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> inkjet
[02:25] <BHSPitLappy> ok, so we don't need to be too conscious of # of colors
[02:26] <BHSPitLappy> second, do you have any photos of what that template looks like folded up? I'm not quick enough to tell just from the net
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> I don't, although one exists somewhere.
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Here we go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=full.jpg
[02:34] <BHSPitLappy> hmm, didn't realize it looked like that
[02:35] <BHSPitLappy> I was thinking it was  like a full-blown AOL cd dispenser or something :P
[02:36] <BHSPitLappy> and you're stocking it with shipits?
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> Next time I get some.  For now I just have home-burned.
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> I should order some, but I'm sad they aren't shipping Edgy
[02:50] <BHSPitLappy> me too
[02:58] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: that's why I'm burning edgy cds and dvds for distribution
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah, I have 13 of those left as well, but some people like the official-looking ones
[02:59] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: so print out a label for it
[02:59] <lotusleaf> and stick it on em ;)
[02:59] <nixternal> http://flickr.com/photos/78122667@N00/153803178    <-- how much you want to be that is a fake..i asked an ubuntu question today, and got a "no comment"
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah, that would be good.  Should figure out how to do that.
[03:02] <lotusleaf> nixternal: heh
[03:03] <nixternal> that guy is out there...i wanted to pie him so bad, but i was told i would be arrested for even attempting it
[03:03] <BHSPitLappy> lol
[03:03] <BHSPitLappy> I love the Gates pie video
[04:47] <poningru> Burgundavia: hey dude who do I talk to re: ubuntu iso returning bad mime type
[04:47] <poningru> err as in the website
[04:47] <Burgundavia> the website or a mirror?
[04:47] <poningru> hold on asking
[04:51] <poningru> the columbia mirrors
[04:51] <poningru> BHSPitLappy: why do you like the gates pie vid?
[04:51] <poningru> kinda lame if you ask me
[04:52] <BHSPitLappy> because it's funny
[04:52] <BHSPitLappy> like HA! PIED!
[04:52] <BHSPitLappy> out of nowhere
[04:53] <BHSPitLappy> and they looked all vicious, like it was some actual attack or assassination
[04:53] <BHSPitLappy> but it's a -pastry-
[04:58] <Madpilot> So, do we have a sensible doc on uploading to our bzr setup yet?
[04:59] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:00] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, no? What did you do all day, sleep? ;)
[05:00] <Burgundavia> half of it
[05:00] <Burgundavia> then I played video games, cleaned my room and ate
[05:01] <Madpilot> a productive Saturday. I got paid to sit at a desk, watch the awful weather, and check my personal email.
[05:03] <Madpilot> well, to start with one basic step, what's involved in generating the SSH key that LP needs?
[05:04] <poningru> hold on that doc is written
[05:05] <poningru> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_use_key_based_SSH_authentication
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguide?  :O
[05:06] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto#head-1ff9e61cfd81e9f741920b6920af8a85f7bddb30
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> There we go
[05:06] <poningru> :p
[05:06] <poningru> tonyyarusso: re: your earlier comment re: college success
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Ah, yes?
[05:07] <poningru> I am starting up a college wiki page for marketing
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> Sweet
[05:07] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/College
[05:07] <poningru> still half done
[05:08] <poningru> err more like 1/10 done
[05:08] <BHSPitLappy> poningru, I wish I could find other linux users my age
[05:09] <poningru> BHSPitLappy: how old are you?
[05:09] <BHSPitLappy> 17.
[05:09] <poningru> loads of lin users
[05:09] <BHSPitLappy> and a high school free software club probably wouldn't take off here
[05:10] <poningru> hehe yeah better to wait that year till you get to college
[05:10] <BHSPitLappy> I really do think I might be the most knowledgeable person at school when it comes to linux, and that's not saying TOO much
[05:18] <Madpilot> with an SSH key fingerprint, is the user@hostname bit part of the fingerprint or not?
[05:22] <nixternal> yes
[05:23] <Madpilot> got that - LP wanted the whole paste of .ssh/id_dsa.pub anyway, not just the fingerprint
[05:26] <poningru> bbl
[05:26] <poningru> like half an hour later
[05:29] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, what was the sftp URL for the bzr repo? Forgot to write it down...
[05:29] <Burgundavia> look on our LP page
[05:35] <Madpilot> there was some other package I needed to make bzr via sftp work, wasn't there?
[05:37] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, eh, I know that feeling...
[05:37] <BHSPitLappy> weird
[05:38] <BHSPitLappy> less than a second after I clicked on this tab, just to see what was going on, you said that
[05:38] <theCore> bah, it just a good timing
[05:38] <BHSPitLappy> or you're watching me through the blinds...
[05:40] <theCore> Linux users are hard to find outside of LUG and IRC
[05:40] <BHSPitLappy> I might start a Youth LUG
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> That would be cool.  A LUG that's not by region?
[05:41] <BHSPitLappy> I was thinking that, should it be a regional one still or be worldwide
[05:41] <BHSPitLappy> the real point of a LUG is to have people you can actually hang out with in person, right
[05:41] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, yep
[05:41] <BHSPitLappy> a global, online LUG would be kind of moot
[05:42] <BHSPitLappy> I can just go into #ubuntu or something, and say WHO'S A TEEN? WANNA PM?
[05:42] <theCore> also difficult to manage
[05:42] <theCore> well, that's a so-so idea ,,,
[05:42] <BHSPitLappy> also, I don't really want to pay for a domain name or anything
[05:42] <BHSPitLappy> theCore, yeah :
[05:42] <BHSPitLappy> :P
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> Maybe a channel rather than a LUG, make an #ubuntu-teens, along the same vein as #ubuntu-women
[05:43] <BHSPitLappy> I didn't know about the women one
[05:43] <BHSPitLappy> do you have to contact anyone to authorize/officialize a #ubuntu-xxxxxx channel
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> It's not very active, but it exists.
[05:43] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, but, hey you don't have to search far, far to find a young linux user :P
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> Yes, Seveas is in charge of Ubuntu's IRC presence.
[05:44] <BHSPitLappy> theCore, depends on where you live.
[05:44] <BHSPitLappy> I personally think there should be more sub-channels for ubuntu
[05:44] <BHSPitLappy> the main one is too ambiguous and crowded
[05:44] <BHSPitLappy> I mean just for support related topics
[05:45] <BHSPitLappy> #ubuntu-wireless or -laptop or whatever for example
[05:45] <theCore> well, there's -offtopic and -trivia :)
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: There is a laptop one.
[05:46] <BHSPitLappy> yeah
[05:46] <BHSPitLappy> I just mean that idea
[05:47] <BHSPitLappy> #ubuntu-xgl probably deserves a rename/redirect now; it's still the best place probably to get support with accelerated graphics stuff, but the title doesn't really say it right anymore
[05:48] <Madpilot> BHSPitLappy, #ubuntu-how-to-crash-your-system, perhaps?
[05:49] <theCore> Madpilot, :)
[05:49] <BHSPitLappy> har.
[05:50] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, so, where are you from?
[05:50] <BHSPitLappy> tx
[05:50] <theCore> texas?
[05:50] <BHSPitLappy> yeah.
[05:50] <BHSPitLappy> my IP mask isn't too shy about that one
[05:52] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/texas.html
[05:52] <BHSPitLappy> I'm familiar with that page and its contents, thanks
[05:52] <theCore> maybe there's a LUG that you could join...
[05:53] <BHSPitLappy> both the FWLUG and the NTLUG are a little too much "old men club" for me, no offense to old men
[05:53] <theCore> hehe
[05:53] <theCore> find a GNOME club then
[05:54] <BHSPitLappy> kids like me don't want to hang out with the dad's generation
[05:54] <BHSPitLappy> ha
[05:54] <theCore> GNOME peoples are usually younger
[05:54] <theCore> people*
[05:58] <BHSPitLappy> I didn't know they existed.
[05:58] <BHSPitLappy> Gnomes are fairy tale creatures!
[05:59] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, eh
[05:59] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, or you could do like me, and hang on IRC
[05:59] <BHSPitLappy> IRC has lost its excitement
[06:04] <theCore> BHSPitLappy, you could search for a LoCo team
[06:04] <theCore> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[06:06] <Burgundavia> meet "Real People" TM
[06:07] <Madpilot> OK, after wasting two days with bzr, I've done what I should have done in the first place - put the images I wanted to share on webspace I actually have access to: http://ubuntu-ca.org/Ubuntu_roughcut_poster/
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> there already is one, really
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> the Dallas LoCo team listed there seems nonexistent
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> their listed channel isn't even registered
[06:09] <Burgundavia> it occurs me that we probably need web-based system
[06:09] <poningru> BHSPitLappy: how close to houston are you?
[06:09] <poningru> Burgundavia: for?
[06:09] <poningru> meeting people/
[06:09] <Burgundavia> no, for our documents
[06:10] <poningru> uh... bzr?
[06:10] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, how about svn instead of bzr? Seems simpler, frankly
[06:10] <Burgundavia> webbased is nice
[06:10] <Burgundavia> so svn to download, etc.
[06:10] <BHSPitLappy> poningru, about 5 hours close.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> plus accessible to everybody, including those stuck on windows or machines they don't control
[06:10] <poningru> hmm true
[06:11] <Burgundavia> poningru: check out knowledge tre
[06:11] <Madpilot> I know bzr is Ubuntu's shiny pet thing, but svn is stupidly easy to set up...
[06:11] <poningru> Madpilot++
[06:11] <Burgundavia> we already have an svn repo, but it isn't perfect
[06:13] <Burgundavia> webbased means easy account control
[06:14] <Madpilot> LP is webbased, supposedly has easy account control... but the docteam's svn repo is still far easier to set up (write) access to than our bzr repo...
[06:14] <Burgundavia> that isn't what I am talking about
[06:14] <Burgundavia> I am talking about a DMS
[06:14] <Madpilot> a what?
[06:15] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_management_system
[06:15] <Burgundavia> http://www.ktdms.com/
[06:16] <Burgundavia> sadly it is php, and doens't work on php5 at that
[06:18] <Madpilot> um, how does a DMS differ from a managed repo thru svn/bzr/etc?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> it is entirely web-based
[06:19] <Burgundavia> no commandline tools to master, etc.
[06:21] <Madpilot> is the problem with bzr the commandline, or the documentation quality?
[06:21] <Burgundavia> the commandline
[06:21] <Burgundavia> it is beast to setup, etc.
[06:21] <Burgundavia> look how many more people edit the wiki vs our svn
[06:22] <Burgundavia> I can edit the wiki at work
[06:24] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, i have a BZR tutorial written up, drafted right now, if you want to take a look at it
[06:24] <nixternal> it is still a little rough around the edges, but the content is there
[06:27] <poningru> nixternal: link?
[06:27] <poningru> Burgundavia: how about... a wiki?
[06:28] <rjian> whats new here?
[06:28] <rjian> HeheHehe
[06:28] <Burgundavia> not good for documents
[06:28] <poningru> Burgundavia: how so?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> no version control, no acls, beast to upload stuff
[06:28] <BHSPitLappy> I've never seen sabdfl online before
[06:28] <BHSPitLappy> I feel so blessed :P
[06:28] <poningru> Burgundavia: ofcourse there is a version control
[06:29] <Burgundavia> for pages, not documents
[06:29] <Burgundavia> I am talking about things like posters and the like
[06:29] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bzr
[06:29] <poningru> oh
[06:29] <poningru> wait wtf
[06:29] <poningru> bzr is gpl?
[06:29] <nixternal> yes
[06:29] <poningru> I thought it was in the same boat as lp
[06:29] <Burgundavia> no, far from it
[06:29] <nixternal> hell no
[06:30] <nixternal> thank god ;)
[06:30] <poningru> woah thats a resounding no
[06:30] <nixternal> stupid enter key messed me up
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Wow, you weren't kidding about it being a work in progress.
[06:30] <nixternal> ya, made it sound like i was being a d0rk
[06:30] <poningru> tonyyarusso: :p
[06:31] <nixternal> there hasn't been any spell checking or grammar checking..i just threw down words and instructions...if more needs to be added it can be
[06:41] <nixternal> Madpilot: did you get those posted yet, or do you want me to go ahead and do so?
[06:41] <Madpilot> nixternal, go ahead and add them to the marketing repo
[06:41] <nixternal> will do!
[06:41] <Madpilot> thanks
[06:42] <nixternal> and the download begins!
[06:45] <Madpilot> interesting - I just realized that the SVG of that poster is actually larger (in Kb) than the PNG version - usually it's the other way around.
[06:49] <Burgundavia> did you vacuum defs on it?
[06:49] <Burgundavia> that will shrink the size of it
[06:50] <nixternal> Madpilot: which directory do you want them to go into?
[06:51] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, no, I didn't, actually
[06:51] <nixternal> man, the Marketing Branch is Windows directory naming =/
[06:51] <poningru> wtf
[06:51] <nixternal> ya, naming with spaces
[06:51] <nixternal> it makes tab completes so much fun
[06:52] <Madpilot> nixternal, how about a new directory in DIYMarketing called Ubuntu_posters_roughcut or similar? I've no idea if jenda has a plan for naming, however
[06:52] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: that shrunk it considerably
[06:52] <nixternal> got it
[06:52] <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you vacuum defs on that sucker?
[06:53] <nixternal> i have no idea on how to do that now
[06:53] <nixternal> im an inkscape idiot
[06:53] <Burgundavia> open inkscape
[06:53] <Burgundavia> file > vacuum defs
[06:53] <nixternal> gahaha
[06:53] <nixternal> i can do that i think ;)
[06:53] <Burgundavia> I think you can
[06:54] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, considerably? I got a whole 2kb drop - from 348 to 346Kb...
[06:54] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:56] <Burgundavia> what is wirelizard?
[06:59] <Madpilot> the very small graphic in the bottom righthand corner of the poster. Zoom in on the SVG version.
[07:00] <nixternal> man, that branch isn't setup correctly at all
[07:00] <nixternal> i can't commit either, i had to commit --local and then push the damn thing
[07:00] <Burgundavia> the other problem with using complicated tool
[07:00] <Burgundavia> but where is the name from?
[07:01] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, the Wirelizard name? The inside of my head, which is strange & thankfully uncharted territory ;)
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ah, right
[07:01] <Madpilot> the lizard itself started as a PD OCAL SVG, which I basically rebuilt for my own amusement
[07:10] <nixternal> alrighty...this little learning experience caused me to write up a troubleshooting section on that bzr doco
[07:11] <nixternal> need a good wiki name before i move it to /community/
[07:12] <nixternal> LaunchpadBazaarUse
[07:15] <Burgundavia> wonder how many users are jumping ship from OpenSUSE right now?
[07:16] <nixternal> where is there IRC channels?
[07:16] <nixternal> lets go spy
[07:16] <Burgundavia> are there, you mean?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> no idea
[07:16] <nixternal> ya, they are somewhere around here
[07:17] <Burgundavia> hmm, irc.opensuse.org exists
[07:17] <nixternal> they are on freenode
[07:17] <nixternal> lol
[07:17] <nixternal> irc.opensuse.org == freenode ;)
[07:17] <nixternal> #openSUSE
[07:17] <nixternal> #openSUSE-chat for OT
[07:17] <Burgundavia> -fud
[07:17] <nixternal> #openSUSE-project
[07:17] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:18] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, wouldn't that be #novell-fud?
[07:18] <nixternal> gahahaha, 4 people
[07:18] <Burgundavia> 190 users
[07:18] <nixternal> man, i did that and lagged
[07:19] <Burgundavia> where is suse getting all their hits on Distrowatch from?
[07:19] <nixternal> we are going in with ubuntu member tags as well
[07:19] <nixternal> from bogus links..don't follow distrowatch, as it is easy to hack now
[07:19] <Burgundavia> why is it easy to hack?
[07:20] <nixternal> burg
[07:20] <nixternal> #opensuse-fud
[07:20] <Burgundavia> was in there
[07:20] <nixternal> that is the novell/ms discussion chan
[07:20] <nixternal> oh
[07:20] <nixternal> damn..i look like a fool then
[07:21] <nixternal> us joining/parting doesn't look good either
[07:21] <nixternal> but ummm, oh well, thats the way the cookie crumbles ;)
[07:22] <Burgundavia> meh
[07:22] <Madpilot> evil Ubuntu users snooping in and out :)
[07:22] <poningru> rofl
[07:22] <Burgundavia> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg00132.html
[07:23] <poningru> haha
[07:23] <nixternal> oh wow, you just busted a dev with that Burgundavia ;)
[07:23] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:23] <nixternal> hahahah
[07:23] <nixternal> that is an Ubuntu Dev saying that...i seen the name and flipped a nut
[07:25] <nixternal> interesting...i thought he was a dev..oh, he is an IRC op..thats where i know him from
[07:25] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:25] <nixternal> > > I know this isn't your fault, and I'm sorry I have to stop using your
[07:25] <nixternal> > > excellent work. I'm sad to have to change to another distro, I've been a
[07:25] <nixternal> > > fanboy since SuSE 8.0, but this deal is just disgusting.
[07:25] <nixternal> Agreed, it is very disgusting, like going home to find your wife in bed with
[07:25] <nixternal> the worst guy of the office.
[07:26] <nixternal> oops...but hahahahahahahahahahaha
[07:26] <Burgundavia> that is pretty funny
[07:26] <Burgundavia> I feel sorry for the opensuse and N devs
[07:26] <Burgundavia> they are getting shit on by the community
[07:26] <nixternal> me too
[07:26] <nixternal> i hope they goto red hat truthfully
[07:26] <nixternal> or to us of course
[07:26] <nixternal> but most of them rpm guys will probably head over to fedora and what not
[07:27] <Burgundavia> "Hug a Novell engineer today: It's not their fault" <-- from the gnome-hackers chan topic
[07:27] <Burgundavia> next GUADEC should be interesting
[07:27] <nixternal> hahahhahahahaha
[07:28] <nixternal> i so wish i could find the picture someone did of the Edgy Lizard doing the SUSE Lizard..thta was classic
[07:29] <Madpilot> some lizard love for the Suse iguana?
[07:30] <nixternal> yup
[07:30] <nixternal> i seen it around july/august
[07:30] <Burgundavia> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu%20fucking%20suse&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[07:30] <Burgundavia> take a look at the first hit
[07:31] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:34] <poningru> do I wanna click?
[07:35] <Madpilot> the first link is just a Digg rantpage
[07:36] <poningru> ah
[07:36] <Burgundavia> digg rantage is funny
[07:37] <Madpilot> odd def'n of 'funny' you have ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> THAT IS METHANE, NOT NITROUS!!!
[07:42] <poningru> *spark*
[07:42] <nixternal> ^^W^^W^^BOOM^^WW^^WW^^
[07:43] <Burgundavia> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1939890,00.html <-- hate your neighbours? knock his house down
[07:51] <Madpilot> nixternal, how often is the web portion of Marketing's bzr repo rebuilt, any idea?
[07:51] <nixternal> the one on the doc server?
[07:51] <Madpilot> yes
[07:51] <nixternal> i really don't know
[07:52] <nixternal> well, by the looks of it Madpilot, i would have to say soon
[07:52] <Madpilot> [jenda]  idle 38:11:26 <-- I suspect he's not around to ask
[07:52] <nixternal> heh, guess not
[07:53] <nixternal> i wonder if there is just a bzr cron running that stats the branch, and then upgrades/updates the doc server
[07:54] <Burgundavia> yes, there is a cron job
[07:54] <nixternal> you know..there is ssh to that server as well..i just can't remember the info
[07:55] <Burgundavia> Madpilot knows that
[07:55] <nixternal> heh
[07:55] <Burgundavia> 'cause he scp'ed something tehre
[07:55] <nixternal> scp then, or fish if you have kde goodness
[07:55] <Madpilot> right, but the scp'd stuff gets eaten & 404's
[07:56] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:56] <Burgundavia> the cron job nukes the folder and rebuilds it
[07:56] <Burgundavia> do you see why need something better?
[07:56] <nixternal> ahh
[07:57] <nixternal> alrighty..im crashing..my day was filled with work, rms, and ignorance
[07:57] <nixternal> g'nite all
[07:57] <Madpilot> night nixternal
[08:02] <poningru> oh right today was the rms thing
[08:02] <poningru> nn dude
[08:56] <Madpilot> http://blog.wired.com/halloween2006/2006/11/ubuntu_pumpkin.html
[09:40] <BHSPitLappy> that's so sad
[09:40] <BHSPitLappy> why would someone do that?
[10:51] <Madpilot> BHSPitLappy, do what, carve faces into pumpkins? The pumpkins don't seem to mind. ;)
[10:51] <BHSPitLappy> Madpilot, no, smash the ubuntu one
[10:52] <Madpilot> That's just Rule #1 in action.
[10:52] <Madpilot> Rule #1: Many people are stupid.
[01:25] <jenda> Burgundavia: looks like someone bzr'd Madpilots posters in the end?
[01:54] <jenda> ompaul: congrats to gNewSense 1.0 :)
[01:55] <ompaul> jenda, thanks, I am now wondering what to do next with it, and I think a faq on installing Flash and various restricted modules is out of the question :)
[02:46] <tsmithe> so yall, would putting some cds in the computer lab at school plus a poster or two be a good plan? (i don't like that place... gives me the creeps...)
[02:58] <tsmithe> halloo?
[03:16] <tsmithe> i'll just sit in this corner by myself then
[03:22] <tsmithe> good. be that way...
[03:22] <ompaul> tsmithe, it might be better to offer to give CDs away if someone asks, and put up info about the distro and what you can do with it
[03:23] <tsmithe> that's what i do. but i want to get people interested quickly
[03:23] <ompaul> tsmithe, and then they loose interest quickly
[03:24] <tsmithe> really, why?
[03:24] <tsmithe> thats sad
[03:24] <ompaul> tsmithe, it is the era of instant everything
[03:24] <tsmithe> i didnt, and no-one gave me a cd
[03:24] <ompaul> so you have to make them hunger for it
[03:24] <ompaul> offer them solutions
[03:24] <ompaul> to their problems
[03:25] <tsmithe> that's the idea of putting up the poster... they don't even know they have problems. they just think that's what computers are like
[03:25] <ompaul> so say you have no virus issue
[03:25] <ompaul> say you have no rebuild cos it is slow issue
[03:25] <ompaul> what is spyware
[03:25] <tsmithe> im not following you...
[03:26] <ompaul> say what issues you don't have
[03:26] <ompaul> say what you do have
[03:26] <tsmithe> uhuh
[03:26] <ompaul> you have an "alternative" to their way of computing
[03:26] <ompaul> not a replacement
[03:26] <ompaul> this means that it does not do exaclty what the other does but guess what you can do so much more
[03:26] <ompaul> etc
[03:27] <tsmithe> cool
[03:27] <tsmithe> but wouldnt mass marketing be quicker. or are we learning from apple (where it doesnt really seem to have worked...)
[03:39] <ompaul> tsmithe, if you want to make it work do this
[03:39] <ompaul> (A) become as expert as you can
[03:39] <ompaul> (B) train people who can do what you can do in terms of installing
[03:40] <ompaul> (C) train people in the thinking behind Ubuntu
[03:40] <ompaul> (D) get good at understanding people
[03:40] <ompaul> (E) offer to help people - put defined limits on what help you will give
[03:40] <ompaul> (F) don't be afraid to walk away
[03:41] <ompaul> (F) don't be afraid of people not understanding
[03:41] <tsmithe> that's hard work.
[03:41] <ompaul> (H) do not get angry, remember most people do not get what is happening to their freedom
[03:41] <tsmithe> i dont have the time, really, though i'd love to
[03:42] <ompaul> tsmithe, so then quick hit a few CDs and hope some of it sticks
[03:42] <tsmithe> we need a mass marketing scheme. on tv (the news appearances are doing their bit, I feel)
[03:42] <ompaul> but
[03:42] <ompaul> but
[03:42] <ompaul> but
[03:42] <ompaul> you are missing it - marketing it without support is just a way to alienate people
[03:43] <tsmithe> i know i know. it's true. we need vendors to do the support. something that people are used to
[03:44] <ompaul> so more important would be to tell people about help.ubuntu.com/community and help.ubuntu.com read the main points in those before you start so if your asked any questions you can at least look like you know more
[03:44] <ompaul> tsmithe, not in their interest (yet)
[03:44] <tsmithe> soon. hopefully (microsoft is gonna lose out big time with vista i feel0
[03:44] <ompaul> it has nothing to do with vista
[03:44] <ompaul> it has to do with choice
[03:45] <tsmithe> vista will put pressure on people. they'll start to look for the choice that before they did not recognise
[03:45] <tsmithe> we need microsoft to kill themselves
[03:45] <ompaul> it has nothing to do with them
[03:46] <ompaul> your energy if directed incorrectly
[03:46] <tsmithe> ...
[03:46] <ompaul> you have 30 seconds with someone - think, do they want to hear you say "Windows is rubbish"?
[03:46] <tsmithe> no.
[03:46] <ompaul> or would they rather hear
[03:47] <ompaul> You know you have another option, you may have to release some of your concepts of what computing is, because you can be so much more flexable, but you know what you won't have to pay to find out
[03:48] <ompaul> here is a live CD and here is a page of the top 10 useful urls
[03:48] <ompaul> have a nice day
[03:48] <ompaul> sold in 30
[03:48] <tsmithe> the second of course. but if we do marketing en masse, with information about the community support, then I won't have to (as it is so hard to) find people who will listen
[03:49] <tsmithe> many people say that because it's free it must be crap: this is all life experience has taught them
[03:54] <tsmithe> well, im gonna get lunch now...
[05:02] <somerville32> How do I do line breaks in the Ubuntu wiki?
[05:11] <MenZa> somerville32: <br />
[05:11] <somerville32> haha, ok
[05:12] <somerville32> I tried <br/>
[05:15] <somerville32> Thanks :]
[05:32] <ompaul> somerville32, or two lines below a line
[06:05] <jenda> allo :)
[06:06] <somerville32> :]
[06:06] <MenZa> hey :)
[06:08] <nixternal> somerville32: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BR  <-- do that
[06:08] <nixternal> yo yo marketeers
[06:19] <poningru> anyone know how I can listen to the speeches?
[06:21] <somerville32> At the conference thinger?
[06:22] <jenda> poningru: VoiP
[06:22] <jenda> have a look at the Participation wikipage.
[06:22] <poningru> sweet
[06:22] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[06:22] <poningru> err
[06:22] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[08:48] <somerville32> Is Corey around?
[08:48] <jenda> nope...
[08:59] <jenda> somerville32: ^
[08:59] <somerville32> haha
[08:59] <somerville32> Hey Corey
[09:03] <lophyte> Burgundavia: ping
[09:03] <Burgundavia> lophyte: pong
[09:03] <lophyte> somerville32: there ya go :)
[09:03] <lophyte> Burgundavia: somerville32 was looking for you
[09:03] <Burgundavia> right
[09:04] <somerville32> Burgundavia: Can I talk with you in private query?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> shoot
[09:10] <Burgundavia> all you slackers (including me), lets get this UWN out tonight-ish
[09:12] <elkbuntu> yeah, stop slacking
[09:22] <poningru> oh snap true
[10:57] <somerville32> Can I help with UWNL21?
[11:01] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:01] <somerville32> Anything that needs doing?
[11:07] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, lets use the canonical server for the uwn, and do it live ;)
[11:07] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:08] <Burgundavia> it there anything for 21 on poningru's server?
[11:08] <poningru> yeah true
[11:08] <poningru> dont think so
[11:09] <poningru> nope nothing


[02:58] <Sarvatt> woohoo, sandybridge macbook air's work now with http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~keithp/linux/log/?h=fix-edp-vdd-power
[03:00] <Sarvatt> \now to work out the nightmare that is the mac input stack
[03:00] <Sarvatt> xf86-input-multitouch/xf86-input-mtrack..
[03:02] <RAOF> It's not evdev?
[03:02] <RAOF> Or, rather: their touchpad doesn't use the same protocol as the magic touchpad, which works?
[03:28] <Sarvatt> RAOF: could be I just don't know the default gestures, not having right click sucked :)
[03:28] <Sarvatt> have to look into all this stuff when its not almost midnight
[03:30] <RAOF> Sarvatt: The four-finger gestures seemed to be broken at XDC, but you should be able to four-finger swipe left/right to hide/unhide the launcher.
[03:30] <RAOF> And four-finger-tap should be "dash"
[03:32] <Sarvatt> RAOF: so I probably should have mentioned xserver 1.11
[03:33] <RAOF> Ah.
[03:33] <RAOF> So no actual multitouch, then :P
[10:49] <tjaalton> sigh, disabling the touchpad only works until i change to a vt and back
[10:49] <tjaalton> i hate the damn thing
[12:04] <macer1> join #ubuntu-bugs
[14:28] <bjsnider> ricotz, what do you know about monitor power saving in gnome 3? it's not respecting the settings screen
[15:05] <ricotz> bjsnider, hmm, dont know, it seems to work here, at least the monitor gets turned off
[15:10] <bjsnider> have you tried to change the settings?
[15:10] <bjsnider> for me it always turns off in 10 minutes no matter what
[15:13] <ricotz> i have it set to 1 hour, let me try
[15:15] <ricotz> i have set it to 1min and it turned black
[15:15] <ricotz> bjsnider, looks like it is working
[15:17] <bjsnider> this is in oneiric?
[15:22] <ricotz> yes
[15:24] <ricotz> bjsnider, ah, you are on natty with gnome3-ppa, right?
[15:28] <bjsnider> no, i am on oneiric
[15:36] <ricotz> bjsnider, mhh, ok
[16:36] <seb128> is somebody running nouveau on oneiric to try the patch on bug #849954
[16:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 849954 in plymouth (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "FFe: enable flicker-free boot with lightdm (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849954
[17:02] <Sarvatt> my only nvidia machines arent supported by nouveau, argh
[17:07] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey ;), does the new xserver include this badvalue fix?
[17:09] <Sarvatt> ricotz: do you have a lightdm log from when it crashed handy?
[17:09] <ricotz> sorry, no
[17:09] <Sarvatt> if it was dying with an assert that it fixed it'd be in there
[17:09] <Sarvatt> ok, i doubt it does
[17:10] <ricotz> oh, i think raof added some patch to the oneirc xserver regarding a badvalue
[17:10] <Sarvatt> i've got my gtx460m box upgrading
[17:10] <Sarvatt> oh
[17:10] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.10.4-1ubuntu2
[17:10] <ricotz> could be related
[17:10] <Sarvatt> thought ya meant the wfb fix in the one i just uploaded to edgers, sorry
[17:11] <Sarvatt> adding that to edgers and reuploading now
[17:11] <ricotz> i just saw the update and was wondering if you already synced it with oneiric
[17:11] <ricotz> ok :)
[17:15] <Sarvatt> uploaded, hope it helps :) my gtx 460m laptop is updating now
[17:22] <ricotz> we'll see ;)
[17:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, did you installed the cairo snapshot?
[17:28] <Sarvatt> yes but I haven't had a chance to even use that laptop with the lid open today yet :)
[17:31] <ricotz> hehe, alright
[17:37] <Sarvatt> great, cant get unity up on it after the updates, compiz segfaulting in libutouch-geiss repeatedly
[17:42] <Sarvatt> ricotz: nothing obviously going wrong, thats a good sign :)
[17:45] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yeah, there was something about atk_geiss here too
[17:45] <ricotz> good, i think ickle is planning a new release soon
[17:47] <Sarvatt> oh firefox bundles its own cairo in the distro now doesnt it, guess I better use something else to say its not horribly broken :)
[17:50] <ricotz> firefox uses the system lib ;)
[18:04] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693223/ not a good day to update, looks like boot is too racy with a fast SSD
[19:25] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, what is the mailing list for uploads to oneiric?
[19:26] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Oneiric-changes
[19:28] <bjsnider> merci
[19:57] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, is fglrx working in oneiric right now?
[19:59] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: imagine so, on the off days when oneiric is working
[19:59] <bjsnider> got a guy over here complaining about slowness with a 5570
[19:59] <bjsnider> which is absurd
[20:00] <bjsnider> that card is 100 times more powerful than unity would require
[20:02] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: tell him to turn off vsync in ccsm maybe?
[20:02] <bjsnider> that's what he was talking about, but that's just going to introduce tearing
[20:02] <bjsnider> is this how unity always is with ati hardware?
[20:03] <Sarvatt> thats how everything is with fglrx is more like it
[20:04] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/763005 btw
[20:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763005 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Compiz's "Sync to Vblank" makes display stutter/slow with some drivers (like fglrx) (affects: 71) (dups: 4) (heat: 306)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:05] <bjsnider> why would a person use ati hardware, in that event?
[20:05] <Sarvatt> oh looks like it was merged in compiz a few days ago, might already be out
[20:36] <popey> i filed bug 854189 ..
[20:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 854189 in xorg (Ubuntu) "nvidia binary driver gives black screen (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854189
[20:36] <popey> a friend has the exact same laptop running oneiric and has no issue with it, which seems odd.
[20:59] <bjsnider> popey, has nvidia ever worked on that thing?
[21:01] <ricotz> Sarvatt, forgot to report back :P - the badvalue fix seems to solve my problem :)
[21:01] <Sarvatt> nice
[21:02] <Sarvatt> i'll tell that to the ubuntuforums people
[21:03] <popey> bjsnider: yes
[21:03] <popey> bjsnider: and as I said, a friend has an identical laptop which works