[00:00] <e-uoaphys> if your laptop has dual hard drives, it would have been an upsell item you would prolly know about when you bought it
[00:00] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: no problem really. but before you attempt to install you should defrag windows
[00:00] <e-uoaphys> you can go into windows drive manager
[00:00] <e-uoaphys> (right click my computer -> manage)
[00:01] <hunkennalle> I did a backup on windows on cds the first thing when i got the computer...
[00:01] <e-uoaphys> it should show you a graphical view of your physical drives and partitions in each drive
[00:01] <AzAel> hunkennalle: you can install it on your d drive its just you seem very new to this so we are trying to warn you that there are alot of opprotunities to fuck up when installing any new operating system
[00:01] <AzAel> exscues my language
[00:01] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: defragging frees up space on the hd
[00:01] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: have you ever installed windows before?
[00:01] <hunkennalle> yes
[00:02] <hunkennalle> or i was looking while a guy did it
[00:02] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: go to your drive manager in windows and see what you have in there
[00:02] <AzAel> are you running xp or vista now?
[00:02] <e-uoaphys> hehehe
[00:02] <hunkennalle> xp home
[00:02] <mike_> is this the place to try and workout some kde4 ?'s
[00:02] <e-uoaphys> mike_: i fixed a couple probs in here
[00:02] <hunkennalle> drive manager.. hold on
[00:03] <mike_> ok, here goes.   But does the kubuntu kde4.0 livecd have the kde4 games and educational programs installed on it?
[00:05] <hunkennalle> disk1: no partions
[00:06] <AzAel> hunkennalle: how big is disk 1?
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> how big is disk0 and disk1
[00:06] <hunkennalle> 93 GB
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: is that your USB hard drive?
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> do you have an external Hard drive plugged in?
[00:06] <hunkennalle> no, internal ones
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> wtf kinda laptop is that with 2 physical disks
[00:06] <AzAel> ooer a laptop with 2 disks?
[00:06] <hunkennalle> hp dv9000
[00:07] <e-uoaphys> how many gigs are in the disk0?
[00:07] <hunkennalle> 93GB
[00:07] <e-uoaphys> and how many gigs are for each partition?
[00:07] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: are you thinking dual 100GB disks on that system?
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: is that like a 17in laptop or something?
[00:08] <hunkennalle> os is on 83GB, hp_recopvery is on 8GB and 1 GB unpartioned
[00:08] <hunkennalle> yes
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> oh
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> so its a pretty big high end one ehh
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> well if it were me
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> i would just install it on the second disk
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> i didn't realize it ws really 2 disks
[00:09] <hunkennalle> yeah but how do i choose to instal on d drive?
[00:09] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:09] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: im looking at a spec sheet now
[00:09] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: dont see anything about additionall drive bays
[00:09] <nosredna_ekim> crazy_bus: i'm not sure what it has on it
[00:09] <LeeJunFan> hrm, no menu editor of any kind for kde4?
[00:09] <nosredna_ekim> the dv900 has dual disks
[00:10] <AzAel> hunkennalle: the installer will ask you where you want to install it
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> *dv9000
[00:10] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:10] <nxvl_work> is there already any version of hardy with kde4?
[00:10] <hunkennalle> so i just restart and follow instructions and tell it to instal at d drive?
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> nxvl_work: no, not yet
[00:10] <AzAel> hunkennalle: yeah pretty much
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: it depends... you can come back here once you start the livecd with the application "konversation"
[00:11] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: then we can get a better idea of your hardware
[00:11] <nxvl_work> so i can't try it?
[00:11] <AzAel> hunkennalle: just take your time and read closely, if you cant work it out just back out
[00:11] <nosredna_ekim> nxvl_work: packages should be out soon
[00:11] <hunkennalle> thx... ill try it and come back for help if it doesnt work
[00:11] <nosredna_ekim> nxvl_work: I thought you meant liveCD
[00:11] <nxvl_work> mmm
[00:11] <e-uoaphys> i duno if i trust windows to show disk0 and disk1 properly
[00:12] <AzAel> hunkennalle: its a live cd so it will boot into an operating system first
[00:12] <e-uoaphys> the specs to that laptop say nothing about a second drive bay
[00:12] <nxvl_work> i prefer it to be instalable but with a LiveCD i'm ok
[00:12] <e-uoaphys> yea go into livecd mode and then open konversation and come back to this chat room
[00:12] <e-uoaphys> then we can see the real disk partitions
[00:12] <Tonren> Anyone running KDE4?
[00:12] <hunkennalle> so i download an irc program in livecd mode?
[00:13] <AzAel> hunkennalle: also theres an irc client you camn use and we can walk you through the install
[00:13] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:13] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: there is one already installed
[00:13] <hunkennalle> thx
[00:13] <AzAel> should already be there
[00:13] <e-uoaphys> just run it
[00:13] <hunkennalle> see you in a few minutes then
[00:13] <e-uoaphys> you know in GNOME Ubuntu, when you open gnomechat, it automaticallyt akes you to freenode #Ubuntu
[00:13] <AzAel> im so glad i started learning about computers in the dos era sometyimes
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> that is the first place you go
[00:14] <hunkennalle> gnomechat
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> pretty cool feature/default IMO
[00:14] <hunkennalle> where is it located?
[00:14] <AzAel> konversation is on the live cd
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: i think in kde you want to use kde chat "Konversation"
[00:14] <AzAel> yeah?
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> just find it in the start menu
[00:14] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:14] <hunkennalle> bye then
[00:14] <hunkennalle> nothing mor?
[00:14] <AzAel> hunkennalle: you are installing "Kubuntu" yes?
[00:14] <hunkennalle> e
[00:15] <hunkennalle> yes
[00:15] <hunkennalle> kubuntu
[00:15] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: if its Kubuntu 7.10 then yes
[00:15] <AzAel> kool it will bring straight here
[00:15] <hunkennalle> 7.10, yes
[00:15] <hunkennalle> thx alot
[00:15] <hunkennalle> here we go
[00:15] <AzAel> lol
[00:15] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: man if you don't need 3d support in windows, kubuntu plus compiz plus virtualbox is pretty much the best way to switch ppl to linux
[00:16] <e-uoaphys> i converted a couple ppl already doing it just since january
[00:16] <VoksD> Using Gusty, installed 3.97 (iirc) yesterday in a slightly messy manner, it worked on starting up, but due to a few issues I removed all of kde4 and re-installed it according to official howto.  Now, hotkeys don't work (no alt+f2, ctrl+f2, etc.), and some icons aren't what they were last time (ie. kopete-kde4's tray icon is that of kde3.5's, the logout icon in the menu changed).
[00:16] <VoksD> What's missing that leaves the hotkeys not working?  I had them up and running the first time I tried K4
[00:16] <e-uoaphys> kubuntu should come with a desktop icon on recommended out of the box installs like icons on the desktop
[00:16] <e-uoaphys> to get new users up and running heheh
[00:17] <e-uoaphys> VoksD: i think the ~/.kde file contains all the settings for that user and it might be corrupt
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> VoksD: but im not expert
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> someone said once to rename that file and kde should create a new one
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> that way you have a backup in case you need to go back
[00:18] <ibrahim> hi all
[00:18] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: remove your .kde4
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> oh yea, KDE4
[00:19] <nosredna_ekim> her ibrahim
[00:19] <nosredna_ekim> *hey
[00:19] <VoksD> Yeah, I did that before reinstalling this time.
[00:19] <VoksD> It didn't fix it.
[00:19] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: compiz works in virtualbox?
[00:19] <e-uoaphys> nosredna_ekim: when will they officially switch "kde4" to "kde"?
[00:19] <ibrahim> i bought a new notebook asus f3sa
[00:19] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: well, install compiz, then install virtualbox. then you can use the cube to switch from windows to linux
[00:19] <ibrahim> i try to install ubuntu but
[00:19] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: don't know
[00:19] <AzAel> ah i see what yopu mean
[00:20] <ibrahim> i have an erorr like cna't access ...
[00:20] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: did you install kde4-core?
[00:20] <ibrahim> can you help to to fix this problem
[00:20] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Yes.
[00:20] <AzAel> ibrahim: need more details dude
[00:20] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: you don't need compiz to do the functionality, but people see the graphical feedback of the cube and it makes them feel like they are switching modes
[00:21] <VoksD> Removed it, removed ~/.kde4 and then re-installed kde4-core
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> gives them the personal confirmation that they have a true copy of windows on there
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> know what i mean?
[00:21] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: but kde4 does start, this are just clightly wacked out?
[00:21] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: cheap sell
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> hahaha
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> well you know
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> whatever worx right?
[00:21] <AzAel> lol
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: at work we only use it for MS Access
[00:21] <ibrahim> AzAel: you want details about my notebook or sth different ?
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> and some priprietary POS database GUI
[00:21] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Yes, I'm running KDE 4.0 at this moment, it's pretty much up and running except for that hotkey thing (just started 10 minutes ago, so I'm not sure if there's more to it).
[00:21] <AzAel> ibrahim: details about the problem your having
[00:22] <e-uoaphys> and its easier to install virtualbox+winXP+MSAccess than it is to try to debug WINE every 5 days
[00:22] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: yeah thats the only disadvantage to the switch i know of
[00:22] <VoksD> What's so odd is that somewhere within the on-and-off installs yesterday I had KDE4 running with hotkeys and the lot working.  I think it may be that it stopped working fully after I installed the official 4.0
[00:22] <e-uoaphys> for XP, you just install it, and strip down the swap file and all the startup cruft, and i have a clean bootup with MSaccess opened up in under 100MB ram
[00:22] <inaety> when i try to install okular i get this http://pastebin.com/m2f64ece6
[00:22] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: did you check out systemsettings->keyboard->shortcuts?
[00:23] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: the only thing that kubuntu+virtualbox+winXP can't do is gaming, so as long as they aren't a windows gamer its an easy sell
[00:23] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: nice what did you use to strip it down? (where getting slightly offtopic here)
[00:23] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: see, its easy cos now that people have learned about their options for the mac (paralels+win) they are used to that idea, so you can show them its also possible on linux, and it can stop them from converting to the mac
[00:23] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Oh..  I looked at that when I had the problem yesterday, and then the hotkeys only worked as long as I had the settings module open.  But now, it is empty - there's nothing to configure.
[00:24] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Surely I'm missing a package here?
[00:24] <ibrahim> AzAel: when i boot ubuntu cd  after this error comes
[00:24] <ibrahim> "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[00:24] <ibrahim> I'm then given a command line.
[00:24] <cinemagoo> im trying to move files from one folder to another and am getting access denied.  how do I open up access
[00:24] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: i just disabled services I don't use (blackviper.com is a good site with descriptions of all the services) then I go to the hardware performance area and get rid of the themes crap and get rid of system-restore checkbox and fix the swap file size
[00:24] <ibrahim> AzAel: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" I'm  then given a command line
[00:24] <AzAel> ibrahim: ill have to pass that one onto someone more experienced with boot issues
[00:24] <cinemagoo> im trying to move files from one folder to another and am getting access denied.  how do I open up access?
[00:25] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: i heard there his a program called nlite or nlight for xp and it will strip it down to barebones, but i am not too concerned with it
[00:25] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: are you CERTAIN you are running 4?
[00:25] <nosredna_ekim> 4.0 that is
[00:25] <ibrahim> AzAel:  can you offer someone in this channel
[00:25] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: what kind of footprint does the virt machine have?
[00:25] <AzAel> ibrahim: hopefully some will volenteer soon
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: haven't run top yet but when i go into windows task manager windows itself only uses less than 100mb with my access db loaded on a fresh boot
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> and i have it installed on a 4 gig virtual drive image
[00:26] <AzAel> i meant disk space
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> oh
[00:26] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: I followed the short howto from Kubuntu's webpage on how to install KDE4, it sure looks like KDE4, and before I did the reinstall I had no (to my knowledge) KDE4-related packages installed, no binaries for it and no session entries for it in KDM.
[00:26] <AzAel> im almost assuong less than a gig easy
[00:26] <VoksD> So, I'm pretty sure it's the real 4.0
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> well i did a fixed disk size (as opposed to resizing one) and 5 gigs is a good size if you don't think your going to install a ton of crap
[00:27] <AzAel> true
[00:27] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: open any kde4 app, help->about kde and see what version it says
[00:27] <e-uoaphys> but if you want to do it to the general public (most of which have plenty of disk space to spare) just give them 10-20 gigs
[00:27] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: And, I should add I followed the post specificially made for KDE 4.0, not the RCs
[00:27] <VoksD> ok..
[00:27] <VoksD> It says 4.0.0
[00:28] <jmaldon> Can someone please explain how to install grub to an external usb floppy drive rather than to the hard disk when installing a fresh copy of (k)ubuntu?
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: nice thing is you can do a virtual machine snapshot, store it to disk and then the sucker can be restored any time you want!
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> so the idiots that get tons of viruses just restore their crap and its instant
[00:28] <cinemagoo> Anyone, what do you type in a terminal to be able to move folders to directrories that are access denied??  Please someone help?
[00:28] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: you dont want to puch that too much  like to tell people its a last resort if you can find any way of doing what you need to do
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> no reinstalls
[00:28] <AzAel> puch = push
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> yea
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> well you know
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> i work at a university store
[00:28] <AzAel> heh
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> selling lots of mac switchers who file into line
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> buy macbook
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> then the parallels
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> then the windows xp on it
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> like clockwork
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> so they are already doing it lol
[00:29] <AzAel> exspensive practice
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> apple has them trained to do it man
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> every person that comes in already has in their mind: i don't care cos I will just run windows inside a window
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> they heard it from steve jobbs man, its what good lemming mac users are supposed to do, install windows on top!
[00:29] <VoksD> cinemagoo: 'sudo mv thisfolder destinationfolder", or use 'chmod -R' (as root/sudo) to change permissions, or 'chown -R user folder' to change the owner of the folder.  Just be sure you're _not_ disallowed to move it because it's a system folder ;)
[00:30] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: thats very weird then
[00:30] <happy1> anyone know the command line syntax to extract a bz2 file from the local file system to a windows share?
[00:30] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: do this in the command line "echo $KDEHOME"
[00:30] <cinemagoo> VoksD:  so sudo /mnt/device/31/public/data/pictures
[00:30] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: you wouldn't BELIEVE how many new sales apple gets simply because people have the piece of mind to install windows on parallels. Its literally discusting how many windows users are switching each day... and if you sell them mac office (instead of windows office) then they have no REAL reason to use windows other than if they need to run a program for a specific class
[00:30] <AzAel> im retaal systems tech and everything is windows
[00:30] <e-uoaphys> or something dumb like that
[00:31] <AzAel> hrmm hackenelle hasn't come back
[00:31] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: ~/.kde4
[00:31] <e-uoaphys> hahah yea well h can always reboot back to winders and come in
[00:31] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: ok
[00:32] <AzAel> unless he didnt dl the live cd version
[00:32] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: anyway, depending on the person who you are converting, depends on how much you ease them onto linux
[00:32] <VoksD> cinemagoo: 'sudo mv /mnt/device/32/public/data/pictures ~/new_folder_you_made'
[00:32] <e-uoaphys> if they are scared, you just tell them your installing a security layer between windows
[00:32] <e-uoaphys> and they can always use it primarilly and only go to windows when they absolutely need to
[00:32] <snes_rocks> Is there another way to pin packages? Because I managed to pin some programs without an /etc/apt/preferences, and I want to unpin it
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> if they are motivated, then you can just stick it on there as a backup just in case thing
[00:33] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: it took me 7 years to start running linux fulltime
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> that is how steve jobs is doing it to mac switchers
[00:33] <nosredna_ekim> snes_rocks: did you do it in synaptic?
[00:33] <VoksD> cinemagoo: You could just mount the device with other mount options, like 'mount /dev/something /mnt/device/ -o uid=1000,gid=1000', that'll mount it with default write access for the first user you created on installing Kubuntu (which I presume is what you're running with).
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: if you can get someone to agree to kubuntu plus vurtualbox plus xp, that is almost like full time
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> i mean you wouldn't do that to people you odn't know
[00:34] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: You wouldn't know how I can absolutely for certain purge out every KDE4-related package and then do a search to ascertain it's all gone, before I try another reinstall?
[00:34] <AzAel> i havent used virtbox whats the advantages over vmware?
[00:34] <snes_rocks> i unpinned in synaptic
[00:34] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: its in the repository and freeware
[00:34] <e-uoaphys> i think vmware you only get a free trial right?
[00:34] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: search for kde4 in the name, and that should do it
[00:35] <VoksD> hmm, weird.
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: player is free, but server you have to do some googfy liscnecing stuff
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> AzAel: V-Box is far better
[00:35] <cinemagoo> VoksD: actually linuxmce over kubuntu, but im in kubuntu now trying to copy my many picture folders to the linux mce file structure
[00:35] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: i use vmware on the mac side, cos its cheaper than parallels, but on linux, i think virtualbox is easier to setup in ubuntu cos you just synaptic it and its done
[00:35] <e-uoaphys> what is player for?
[00:35] <VoksD> ..I'll just try to uninstall everything that turns up with "kde4" in it then.
[00:35] <e-uoaphys> you mean player lets you install xp pro on a linux client?
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: yeah
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: no.. you can't install it
[00:36] <AzAel> VoksD: i pastebined what kde4 installed for earlier ask some to dredge it up cause i have logged out since and purged my logs
[00:36] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: forgot about that
[00:36] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Mounting it like I said above, then, with the options '-o uid=1000,gid=1000' will make your job easier.
[00:36] <e-uoaphys> nosredna_ekim: what does player do then?
[00:36] <AzAel> is there any technical advantages?
[00:36] <e-uoaphys> if not let you install windows
[00:36] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: it lets you use already eisting .vmx's
[00:37] <AzAel> player only lets you run premade images
[00:37] <e-uoaphys> oh ic
[00:37] <e-uoaphys> well then use player in corp environment lol
[00:37] <e-uoaphys> bbl
[00:37] <AzAel> adios
[00:37] <AzAel> same
[00:38] <greatt> hi
[00:38] <cinemagoo> VoksD: sorry i'm so new to all things linux 90% of the time the help i get assumes I know how to do things i don;t.  you totally lost me w/ uid
[00:38] <greatt> why when I try to boot into kernel 2.22.14 stalls?
[00:38] <greatt> I can only boot into 2.20.xx
[00:38] <greatt> :(
[00:38] <greatt> I can't install virtualbox properly because of this issue
[00:39] <greatt> it keeps telling me about conflicting kernel module versions
[00:39] <VoksD> cinemagoo: No worries.  How did you mount the device?
[00:40] <VoksD> sorry.. the in-application hotkeys like ctrl+q apparently work fine still :p
[00:40] <VoksD> cinemagoo: The device was automatically mounted, perhaps?
[00:40] <cinemagoo> voksd: I didn't mount it.  its an external usb hd 250gb, 3gb of photos.  I just plugged it in under linuxmce and it did the rest
[00:40] <VoksD> yeah
[00:41] <greatt> hello?
[00:41] <greatt> anyone?
[00:41] <VoksD> A bit annoying how so many distros and defaults set the mounted devices with very restricted write/read access.
[00:41] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: where does it stall
[00:41] <cinemagoo> unfortunately the help at #linuxmce isn't very consistent, not a lot of activity there sometimes
[00:41] <greatt> at 'loading...'
[00:41] <greatt> right after grub
[00:42] <VoksD> cinemagoo: type this in a terminal and tell me what it says: 'mount | grep /mnt/device'
[00:42] <greatt> by the way kernel 2.22.xx is set as second option in menu.lst
[00:43] <cinemagoo> VoksD: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/device/31 type vfat (rw)
[00:43] <adz21c> plasma just died on me with the following errors appearing in konsole when trying to relaunch, anyone know why? http://paste.ubuntu.com/3495/
[00:43] <greatt> sorry I meant this kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[00:43] <AzAel> speaking of fstab
[00:44] <greatt> ^^^ that's the one stalling
[00:44] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Ok..
[00:44] <AzAel> how do i find out the uuid of a second rive i have only been listing as /dev/sda etc
[00:44] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: and does it start back up?
[00:44] <greatt> nosredna_ekim: ?
[00:44] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: no idea.
[00:44] <cinemagoo> VoksD: WOULD IT BE easier just to plug the hd into my win xp laptop and move the files around there
[00:45] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: nope
[00:45] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: plasma usually just comes back upon a crash
[00:46]  * lunar-raven hasn't had plasma crash yet
[00:46] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Try this: 'sudo umount /mnt/device/31 ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/device/31 -o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[00:46] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: acually it may have since i can add widget to desktop, but no panel
[00:46] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: yeah... it probably came back... do you see a wallpaper?
[00:46] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: yup
[00:47] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It would probably be easier, yes ;)  The command I gave you above, though, should re-mount the drive in a manner allowing you to write and read to it as a normal user.
[00:47] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: i see it in ksysguard so my bad its runnings, so i guess now the question is how do i get panel back
[00:47] <cinemagoo> VoksD: ok I can try that but will i be able to get it back how it was mounted so that I dont mess up the functionality of linuxmce?
[00:48] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: not really sure...
[00:48] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Oh, sorry, I forgot the second "sudo" there, this is what I meant: sudo umount /mnt/device/31 ; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/device/31 -o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[00:48] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: i haven't had a plasma crash so I don't know
[00:48] <greatt> why does stall with 2.6.22?
[00:48] <greatt> anyone?
[00:48] <VoksD> VoksD: It won't mess up any functionality.
[00:48] <VoksD> kreist...
[00:48] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: hardware issues probably
[00:48] <greatt> does it need to be first on the list or something?
[00:48] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It won't mess up any of the functionality.
[00:49] <greatt> nosredna_ekim: but then how can  I check it out if I can't a debug info??
[00:49] <greatt> nosredna_ekim: maybe if I try revovery mode right?
[00:49] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: yeah.. try that
[00:49] <greatt> some stuff might not be initiated
[00:49] <greatt> aright brb
[00:49] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It mounts in exactly the same way, it just tells the system that normal users should be allowed to write to the mounted device (the default mount process just sets it for root or something).
[00:49] <amine> hey everyone
[00:50] <amine> i'm new
[00:50] <nosredna_ekim> hey amine
[00:50] <amine> i installed kubuntu
[00:50] <amine> i wanna know how to install applications
[00:50] <VoksD> amine: Click the menu on your bottom left and choose "Add/Remove Programs"
[00:51] <amine> thx but my question is that i want to download a program and install it, my friend told me that i should use apt
[00:52] <amine> would u give the syntax
[00:52] <nosredna_ekim> amine: well, "add remove programs" is a frontend to apt
[00:52] <VoksD> amine: Well, then do 'apt-get install programname'
[00:52] <nosredna_ekim> with a sudo
[00:52] <VoksD> Yes.
[00:52] <amine> thx i'll try
[00:53] <VoksD> amine: Many experienced Linux users will often recommend using the console/text tools instead of the graphical frontends you get from the menu.  It's not a must, just a lot swifter for quick installations and whatnot.
[00:53] <cinemagoo> VoksD: i did your line and it just gave me a ">"
[00:54] <VoksD> er..
[00:54] <amine> sorry but that doesn't work "commande introuvable"
[00:54] <VoksD> *scrolls up*
[00:55] <nosredna_ekim> amine: what do you want to install?
[00:55] <nosredna_ekim> so I can give you an example
[00:55] <cinemagoo> sudo umount /mnt/device/31 ; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/device/31 -o uid=1000,gid=1000'  right
[00:55] <VoksD> cinemagoo: I think you forgot to remove the ' at the end of the line
[00:55] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Correct, just without the ' at the end ;)
[00:55] <amine> amsn for example
[00:55] <AzAel> argh why does startup manager keep deletiung my xp entry
[00:56] <amine> i typed "apt -get -install amsn"
[00:56] <VoksD> amine: No whitespace.
[00:56] <VoksD> amine: apt-get install amns
[00:56] <amine> ok i'll try
[00:57] <VoksD> amine: You could try Kopete, now that you're in KDE, it has MSN functionality and it's made specifically for KDE.  I think it's already in your menu under "Internet", but if not: 'apt-get install kopete'
[00:57] <cinemagoo> Voksd: it used to say  linuxmce@dcerouter:~$      now just  a   ">"  at beginning of every line
[00:58] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Ah, press ctrl+c
[00:58] <cinemagoo> i am completely terminal illiterate, ok
[00:59] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It can be a bit confusing, but that's what it looks like when the console thinks you're about to give more input to the command and end that with another '.  ctrl+c pretty much always terminates whatever is active in the terminal so you can get back to it.
[00:59] <amine> "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), are you root?
[00:59] <amine> i get this messgae
[01:00] <VoksD> amine: Sorry, should have told you that all installations have to happen as root.  You use the 'sudo' command to run things as root, so to install ie. kopete or amsn: sudo apt-get install kopete amsn
[01:00] <sooki> do sudo before the command
[01:00] <lunar-raven> amine: you have add/remove programs closed right? and you need to type sudo before the apt-get command..that gives you root permissions, meaing you can alter system files.
[01:00] <makers_mark> can someone help me with some flash/java issues i'm having?
[01:00] <amine> thx
[01:00] <VoksD> makers_mark: State the problem, maybe someone can.
[01:00] <cinemagoo> voksd:
[01:00] <cinemagoo> umount: /mnt/device/31: device is busy
[01:00] <cinemagoo> umount: /mnt/device/31: device is busy
[01:00] <cinemagoo> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/device/31 busy
[01:00] <cinemagoo> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/device/31
[01:01] <makers_mark> so i installed the latest flash from the adobe site,and installed java from synaptic.i go to youtube and the player is messed up (its arrangement,cutting out controls and whatnot) and it also lags the videos badly.
[01:01] <VoksD> cinemagoo: You have to make sure that the /mnt/device/31 folder is not opened by any applications before you umount it
[01:02] <VoksD> cinemagoo: This includes the terminal, so 'cd' to another directory, and move out of the folder if you have it opened in Dolphin, Konqueror, whatever.
[01:02] <VoksD> makers_mark: Hmm..  Did you use the installer from adobe's site, or synaptic, to get flash installed?
[01:03] <makers_mark> VoksD i used the adobe installer and instructions.
[01:03] <amine> ths a lot that work great
[01:03] <amine> ;)
[01:04] <VoksD> makers_mark: As far as I can remember, Ubuntu has flash packages in their repositories as "restricted".  It would be advisable to use theirs, or to use Automatix for the installation.
[01:05] <EclecticRob> Did the restricted drivers settings move with the new kubuntu + kde4 package?
[01:05] <LjL> say what?
[01:05] <LjL> !automatix
[01:05] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[01:05] <LjL> !flash
[01:05] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:05] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[01:05] <sooki> no, get the beta's from the adobe site, ubuntu's repo's are flash 7 last i checked
[01:05] <sooki> and thus are completely useless
[01:05] <VoksD> Sorry, I thought Automatix was the easier way for restricted stuff.  My mistake.
[01:06] <VoksD> Strange, the one from ubuntu's repos worked fine when I tried them.
[01:06] <sooki> flash 9's required most the time, plus the flash 7 ones used OSS :P
[01:07] <VoksD> Didn't know they were that far behind.
[01:07] <makers_mark> VoksD i'm using restricted drivers,but the only one that shows up on the list is for my nvidia video card.also i've used automatix after i i first installed flash just to make sure i didn't screw up the install (since i'm a linux nub).
[01:08] <makers_mark> VoksD i'm using ubuntu btw,not kubuntu.for some reason,kde makes my comp freeze up almost every time it loads the desktop.
[01:08] <VoksD> odd
[01:09] <VoksD> oh, wait
[01:09] <VoksD> I tried the Adobe official installer a while ago.
[01:09] <VoksD> It was clearly broken.
[01:09] <makers_mark> so..
[01:09] <makers_mark> .
[01:09] <cinemagoo> voksd: thanks for the help but too much trouble, gonna plug it into winxp and get them move quickly
[01:09] <VoksD> cinemagoo: righteo
[01:09] <fajro> I HATE KDE 4 :'-(     It's so like Gnome!
[01:10] <VoksD> makers_mark:  So I reverted to an earlier version than their latest.
[01:10] <makers_mark> VoksD how do i do that?
[01:10] <makers_mark> where do i get a previous version?
[01:11] <VoksD> makers_mark: It's supposed to install two files, one of which it gave you the newest version of while the other file was missing from the installer, hence I'd end up with a flash install mangled together from two versions which worked quite horribly.
[01:11] <VoksD> er.,.  I do so much installing of silly stuff all the time I forget half of it within weeks.
[01:11] <makers_mark> so what do i do now?
[01:11] <VoksD> Can't quite recall, but.. give me a sec.
[01:11] <makers_mark> k.
[01:12] <lod_> find and download from adobe archive v9 r115
[01:13] <lod_> and coppy the lib-file over the old one and the problem is solved
[01:13] <makers_mark> thanks
[01:13] <lod_> i thing the dest. path is somt. like /usr/lib/mozilla
[01:14] <hunkennalle> someone help me... when i try to instal kubuntu it just shuts down!
[01:14] <lod_> good night
[01:14] <makers_mark> night
[01:14] <VoksD> makers_mark: Actually, it seems the URL LjL pointed you to above covers this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[01:15] <VoksD> anyway, I have a long overdue cleaning to do, so I'm off.
[01:15] <VoksD> Best of luck
[01:15] <hunkennalle> please help me
[01:15] <usser> kde4 woohoo
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: whats wrong?
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> usser: :)
[01:16] <lod_> here's helpful topic about flash
[01:16] <lod_> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3089647
[01:16] <usser> :)
[01:16] <lunar-raven> someone said kde4 is like gnme?
[01:16] <lunar-raven> how?
[01:16] <lunar-raven> lol
[01:17] <lunar-raven> doesn't look like gnome in the slightest :P
[01:17] <hunkennalle> i try to instal kubutntu 7.10 but after the blue loading stripe and the testing with the stars on the side the screen just turns black and the computer just goes really silent like nothing is happening
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> lunar-raven: in that its not very configurable
[01:17] <lod_> can I some how make the clock in KDE4 smaller ?
[01:17] <lunar-raven> hmm, well, plasma has it's limits at the moment
[01:17] <lunar-raven> but it should be back to being configurable in 4.1 =x
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: try starting in safe graphics mode
[01:18] <lod_> download the alternate CD
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> lod_: on the panel?
[01:18] <makers_mark> VoksD i'm looking in synaptic and it shows that i have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[01:18] <geos> or try alt+ctrl+F1
[01:18]  * usser is itching as kde4 is downloading
[01:18] <andre> dude
[01:18] <hunkennalle> yeah... how does that help?
[01:18] <andre> KDE 4 looks so different ;O
[01:18] <lunar-raven> yeah it does
[01:18] <lunar-raven> kde 4 is incredibly fast for me..everything opens so fast and smooth. I love it.
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: it uses a different graphics driver
[01:18] <ProblematiK> lunar-raven: I just dont like the HUGE clock
[01:18] <hunkennalle> ok... ill try it
[01:18] <ProblematiK> ehehehe
[01:19] <hunkennalle> thx
[01:19] <lunar-raven> haha, yeah the clock..
[01:19] <lod_> no option abouth the font size, only the type
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> lunar-raven: yeah.. me too, even with this crappy video card I can still od some pretty nice effects
[01:19] <lod_> for last time good night
[01:19] <lunar-raven> :).
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:20] <lunar-raven> lol night lod
[01:20] <lunar-raven> I just wish amarok 2.0 was out
[01:20] <nxvl> i have just installed kde4 from the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa and it doesn't start
[01:20] <nxvl> it says its missing kstartup4
[01:20] <nxvl> kstartuoconfig4*
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> nxvl: do this "touch .kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[01:21] <nxvl> but i can't find it with apt-cache searhc, does anyone knows where can i download it
[01:22] <makers_mark> can anyone tell me how to install flash and java from terminal?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> !flash
[01:22] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:22] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> !java
[01:22] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:22] <amine> another question please
[01:22] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to compile xconfig.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[01:23] <nxvl> nosrednaekim: still getting same error
[01:23] <lunar-raven> ask away amine
[01:23] <selckin> sFEARs: apt-get clean ?
[01:23] <sFEARs> will try
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> nxvl: then try "sudo touch .kde4/share/config/kstartupconfig4"
[01:23] <kgx> !kde4
[01:23] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> ermm without the sudo.. sorry
[01:24] <amine> i want to install java, i typed "sudo apt-get install jdk" and the message is "unable to find the package jdk"
[01:24] <ader11> KDE 4.0 is stable, is it in the repositories?
[01:24] <amine> what to do?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> ader11: in the PPA
[01:24] <selckin> amine: sun-java5-jdk
[01:24] <sFEARs> amine, try searching for flash in adapt package manager
[01:24] <ader11> nosrednaekim: haha, thanks. I never read those things, most of the time it's got some stupid html joke
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> amine: its probably not called exactly that, try searching for the pckage name with "apt-cache search java"
[01:25] <amine> ok thx
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ader11: :)
[01:25] <lunar-raven> amine: it's alot easier to use the adept_manager. You can type a partial name and it will find whatever you're looking for
[01:25] <lunar-raven> i never remember what everything is called
[01:25] <nxvl> it was a nessus incompatibility problem
[01:25] <nxvl> already solved
[01:25] <nxvl> thnx
[01:26] <usser> hm
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> nxvl: :)
[01:26] <sFEARs> apt-clean & make clean didn't work
[01:26] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to compile xconfig.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[01:26] <kgx> anyone got a bittorent link for gutsy with kde4?
[01:26] <kgx> i can't seem to access the kubuntu site
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> kgx: nope, I can get you a direct link thogh
[01:26] <lunar-raven> has anyone tried the kubuntu kde4 live cd?
[01:27] <kgx> nosrednaekim: yes please (preferably the dvd one)
[01:27] <kgx> but that probably doesnt have kde4?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> kgx: I don't think there is a dvd one
[01:27] <usser> damit how everyone is so eager to reinvent the start menu
[01:27] <crackhead_25> i have a internal hard drive with ntfs file structure. i used to be able to use ntfs-3g to write to it. now i can only read from it and can't write to it--i keep getting an error. help?????
[01:27] <lunar-raven> i like the new start menu =(
[01:27] <kgx> nosrednaekim: thanks...i managed to get in :)
[01:27] <lunar-raven> the old was was boring
[01:27] <kgx> cheers
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> usser: you can use the old one still
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> like I do
[01:27] <usser> nosrednaekim: can i?
[01:28] <lunar-raven> yes, it's a widget you can drag onto your panel
[01:28] <usser> nosrednaekim: theres not alot of customizability here at first glance
[01:28] <kgx> nosrednaekim: well i stll have feisty, haven't had the time to upgrade last time
[01:28] <usser> i see traditional launcher it is
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> usser: sure, right click on the desktop, click "add applet, scroll down to the old sytle menu applet and drag it to the panel
[01:28] <lunar-raven> yes that's it
[01:28] <lunar-raven> :)
[01:28] <ader11> is there a kde metapackage?
[01:28] <ader11> kubuntu desktop is broken
[01:28] <usser> kde4-core
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> ad
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> ader11: kde4?
[01:29] <ader11> yes.
[01:29] <ader11> no.
[01:29] <ader11> no, kde4 is not a package
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ader11: kde4-core
[01:29] <ader11> kde4-core is not in my repositories
[01:29] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: well i got the panel back, just htought u might like to know... to do it i pretty much deleted all my configs, i dunno which did the trick, guess i'll find out next time :-)
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ader11: add the PPA.. read the topic
[01:29] <hunkennalle> noserednaekim: its still not working in safe graphics mode... same error
[01:30] <ader11> I know, I"m using the topic's tutorials
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> adz21c: the config is ".kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[01:30] <ader11> oh, you know what? I didn't run aptitude update
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: so it gets past the boot splash, and onto the login splash, and then hangs?
[01:30] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: ok
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> adz21c: for future reference
[01:31] <crackhead_25> can anyone help??? anyone have any thoughts on that problem?
[01:31] <crackhead_25> stdin: you have any insight on that problem with ntfs-3g/ntfs drives???
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> crackhead_25: sorry, I steer clear of NTFS
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> crackhead_25: haha... don't bother him right now ;)
[01:31] <crackhead_25> i know. i should too, but i had a lot from old o$.. :)
[01:32] <crackhead_25> so i have some hd's on ext.. and others on ntfs.
[01:32] <ader11> w00t I can't wait till kde finishes installing
[01:32] <hunkennalle> i dont know the name of it... when the blue loading bar is fisnished it goes and checks something (* on the lefthand side and [ok] on the righthand side)... after that the screen turns black and nothing happens
[01:33] <ader11> can I trust the ppe repository or should I remove it when I'm done
[01:34] <ader11> and what's this supposed to mean: To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> ader11: you can trust it
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> ader11: don't worry about that
[01:34] <ader11> ok :)
[01:34] <msl> Hello, has Xorg-7.3 been rolled into Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 3 yet, or is it only in Ubuntu?
[01:34] <hunkennalle> please help me noserednaekim
[01:34] <crackhead_25> what is xephyr???
[01:34] <ader11> oo! I forgot about xorg 1.7
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ah! ok that makes a bit more sense... what video card do you have?
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> msl: anything in ubuntu is in kubuntu
[01:34] <ader11> is xorg 7.3 stable?
[01:35] <hunkennalle> nvidia something... im on a hp dv9000
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ah, ok, my freind has one of those and he installed just fine....
[01:35] <hunkennalle> so whats the problem?
[01:35] <ader11> ubotu's kde thing needs to be fixed
[01:35] <ader11> at least I think so
[01:36] <crackhead_25> anyone know why when i start a guest session on my kubuntu and login, often it crashes after only a very short time trying to use the new session (with the other main user session running in background)???
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: not sure..... are you on another computer?
[01:36] <hunkennalle> same one... windows instaled on c drive.. going to instal kubutu 7.10 on d drive
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: hmm ok. not sure what the problem could be...
[01:39] <hunkennalle> it seems like right before the screen shuts down theres an error code in the testing thing
[01:39] <ader11> should I choose gdm or kdm-kde4 as my display manager? I will use both the same amount of time.
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> ader11: gdm
[01:39] <ader11> nosrednaekim: reason?
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> kdm-kde4 is not exactly stable
[01:40] <blkorpheus> can someone explain why kde4 keep wanting to run @ 800x600?
[01:40] <lunar-raven> yeah..kdm-kde4 wouldnt work for me at all
[01:40] <blkorpheus> and can someone point me to a kde4 nvidia tweak page?
[01:40] <blkorpheus> thx
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> blkorpheus: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes
[01:41] <hunkennalle> do you think theres something wrong with my instalation file?
[01:41] <blkorpheus> nosrednaekim: thanks!
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: you could run a check on the cd... its on the boot menu
[01:42] <blkorpheus> also, I accidently removed my status windows from the lower panel
[01:42] <hunkennalle> why should i run a check on the cd?
[01:42] <blkorpheus> yet right clicking the pnael does nothing
[01:42] <blkorpheus> panel
[01:42] <blkorpheus> how can I reset my panel?
[01:42] <blkorpheus> I have not used KDE in a LONG time
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: because thats where your "installation" file is
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> blkorpheus: "rm .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc"
[01:43] <hunkennalle> is there an option in the menu for that?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: yeah... where you select which thing you want to boot into.
[01:44] <hunkennalle> ok.. if thats the case... should i redownload the file and try again?
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: well, see if that is the case first... it could just be a bad CD
[01:46] <hunkennalle> ok.. ill come back when i know
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> I may not be around
[01:46] <hunkennalle> thx
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> but someone will be
[01:46] <hunkennalle> ok
[01:47] <ilya> hi all
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> hey ilya
[01:47] <ilya> who knows how to mount audio cd ?
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> ilya: in konqueror type "audiocd:/" into the menubar
[01:49] <ilya> nosrednaekim: protocol not supported
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> ilya: are you in kde4?
[01:50] <ilya> nosrednaekim: yes
[01:50] <ilya> nosrednaekim: )
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> ilya: ah. well, then run "/usr/bin/konqueror" to pop up a kde3 konqueror and then do the audiocd thing
[01:53] <TopAgent> Hi all.. This is really weird, I LOST my min max and close buttons on the konqueror and other open pages.. how can I get them back???
[01:57] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ are you using compiz?
[01:57] <TopAgent> no
[01:58] <TopAgent> Im using fedora on my other system
[01:58] <ProblematiK> man this takbar in KDE 4 is huge
[01:58] <ProblematiK> :p
[01:58] <ProblematiK> taskbar
[01:58] <TopAgent> Im told it is similar to ubuntu
[01:58] <ilya> nosrednaekim: don't work (
[01:58] <TopAgent> what is compiz.. I say no because I didnt see it and didn't install it'\
[01:59] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ try "kwin" to get it back
[01:59] <TopAgent> thx i will
[01:59] <hunkennalle> nosrednaekim: it says no problems with the cd... tried instaling again but same problem
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ok
[02:00] <[Nige]> hi all
[02:00] <DaWolffe> i have a stupid question about the live cd to get kde 4
[02:00] <[Nige]> anyone running KDE4 on kubuntu?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: that seems to be the big topic, yes :)
[02:01] <DaWolffe> LoL
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: try this... after the screen goes black, press "ctrl+alt+f2"
[02:01] <DaWolffe> the live cd is just bare minimums.. no packages.. but i can build it up right?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> DaWolffe: it has packages on it....
[02:01] <[Nige]> I installed it and it doesn't seem to bad, but there are a few things that I am worried about
[02:01] <DaWolffe> ahh i must have misunderstood the post, thanks
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> DaWolffe: wiat.... which liveCD are yoiu talking about?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: such as....
[02:02] <hunkennalle> ok... what would that do?
[02:02] <DaWolffe> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[02:02] <DaWolffe> that one
[02:02] <ader10> Help please! KDE fails to start! http://pastebin.com/m5489e502
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> DaWolffe: ah ok...
[02:02] <[Nige]> well, the clock only seems to be a widget, I havent yet figured out how to change the size of my task bar, and the system try (notification bar has gone awol )
[02:03] <TopAgent> suv[t[rnl wow... I cant type anything in my other sys
[02:03] <sub[t]rnl> try alt+f2
[02:03] <sub[t]rnl> see if you can get a dialog to type in
[02:03] <[Nige]> but I expect this to be only because its just been released
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> ok, the panel cannot be made smaller.
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> you can add a system tray by right clicking on the deaktop->ad applet and dragthe system tray to the panel
[02:04] <TopAgent> no good
[02:04] <[Nige]> nosrednaekim, I got that impression after going through look and feel :(
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: it will give you a text prompt
[02:04] <hunkennalle> witch will tell me what?
[02:04] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ Can't type?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: yeah the panel is bit lacking in features
[02:04] <[Nige]> applet or widget, i only have a widget option :(
[02:04] <TopAgent> I cant type in the field boxes or anything
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: run this on the command line "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[02:05] <TopAgent> on terminal
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: widget.. sorry
[02:05] <TopAgent> or search
[02:05] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ ctrl + alt + backspace and restart kdm
[02:05] <hunkennalle> ok
[02:05] <TopAgent> trying
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: if that doesn't work.....
[02:06] <TopAgent> still cannot type in terminal
[02:06] <hunkennalle> ill try it
[02:06] <[Nige]> I will try dragging it again
[02:06] <TopAgent> and the box looks differant..   there is no min max or close button
[02:06] <[Nige]> it didnt seem to like being dragged at the moment
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> ader10: hrm.... you are trying to start compiz?
[02:07] <ader10> nosrednaekim: I'm trying to start kde.
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> ader10: kde4?
[02:07] <ader10> nosrednaekim: correct
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok, for some reason, its trying to start compiz.
[02:07] <ader10> nosrednaekim: if the kde4 desktop entry does anything to do with the xsession script then that's logical
[02:07] <TopAgent> im using firefox or konqueror and I have to file quit to close...
[02:08] <ader10> (wohoo! terrible grammar!)
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> ader10: what?
[02:08] <ader10> you know how in gdm you select what "session" you want?
[02:09] <ader10> I selected the kde4 session
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> ader10: yeah
[02:09] <[Nige]> nosrednaekim, am i missing something with the dragging it onto the bar, because it doesnt seem to join the task bar
[02:09] <ader10> and that's the output
[02:09] <ader10> and yes, it does look like it's starting compiz at the same time
[02:09] <[Nige]> ahh okay
[02:09] <[Nige]> i figured it out
[02:09] <[Nige]> cheers :)
[02:09] <TopAgent> all i can do in terminal is open it and close it by file quit... cannot type in anything
[02:10] <lennie> hi,all
[02:10] <lennie> I put "exec startkde" in .xinitrc,and run startx,I  got kde3.5.8
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> ader10: weird....
[02:11] <lennie> I need to wait and wait ?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> lennie: what are you trying to do?
[02:11] <ader10> nosrednaekim: It might be smart for me to mention that I'm not on a native kubuntu install, this is ubuntu and I'm attempting to get rid of gnome
[02:11] <ader10> nosrednaekim: if that changes anything
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> ader10: well, don't get rid of gnome yet ;)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ader10: in gnome, turn off compiz. and log back out and try again
[02:12] <ader10> nosrednaekim: kubuntu-desktop in the repositories is broken, also. I was hoping kde4 would do it
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ader10: kubuntu-desktop is broken?
[02:12] <ader10> nosrednaekim: Ok, I'll try and I'll be right back to let you know the results
[02:12] <ader10> yeah I'll tell you about the broken package when I get back
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:13] <lennie> nosrednaekim, I downloaded Chinese language files
[02:14] <[Nige]> sorry, I closed it somehouse :)
[02:14] <lennie> but in control panel,I can not choice Chinese except English
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: did what?
[02:15] <ader10> nosrednaekim: disabling compiz did nothing, I get the same error message
[02:15] <lennie> someone told me ,I can export KDE_LANG=zh_CN
[02:16] <lennie> nosrednaekim, so I want to start kde manual
[02:16] <lennie> nosrednaekim, instead of gdm/kdm
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok.. so whats wrong with kubuntu-dekstop
[02:16] <[Nige]> i managed to close xchat while playing with system settings
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> lennie: ah...put that line in your .bashrc and start kde normally.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: oh... thought you had killed your panel or something
[02:17] <ader10> I got some error similar to the first one mentioned in the link but it was about permissions, kstartupconfig or something with k and config in the name couldn't create the folder ~/.kde I think
[02:17] <ader10> nosrednaekim: see 1 line above
[02:17] <lennie> start kde normally.  <=I refer this?
[02:17] <carlos> are someone using gutsy amd64
[02:17] <lennie> how to star kde normailly
[02:17] <ader10> carlos: I am
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> lennie: from within kdm
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> carlos: yes
[02:18] <lennie> nosrednaekim, o ,put this line in my .bashrc is evailable ?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok, log back out and get the exact error message.. write it down
[02:18] <jawee> ok, i know this is lazy, but I'm tired of messing with it. I installed kde4-games and it errored out. apt-get install -f doesn't work
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !ch
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <ader10> nosrednaekim: the exact error message was in the pastebin link
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> jawee: what error
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !cn
[02:18] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[02:18] <ader10> nosrednaekim: or do you mean the kubuntu-desktop one
[02:18] <[Nige]> wheres the best place to get more widgets from?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> ader10: this about kstartupconfig...
[02:19] <lennie> nosrednaekim, I will have a try again
[02:19] <carlos> nosred: your system are freezing?
[02:19] <TopAgent> I just reset all konqueror settings to default and that fixed my problem...
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> carlos: nope... rock stable
[02:19] <jawee> nosrednaekim: one sec, I'll reproduce it
[02:19] <ader10> nosrednaekim: you realize it'll be tedious for me to remove kde4 again and install kubuntu-desktop again and write down the error message again to relay it again
[02:20] <jawee> nosrednaekim: and I think I'll maybe use a pastebin
[02:20] <ader10> nosrednaekim: I'll go through the trouble if you are pretty sure you can do something about it
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> ader10: oh... never mind... I was confused ;)
[02:20] <ader10> :S
[02:20] <kyled185> I'm curious, the "Get New Widgets" button is disabled in the add widget app in KDE 4, How or where do we get more plasmoids?
[02:20] <ader10> kyled185: I don't know for sure but kde-look.org might have somthing
[02:20] <ader10> something
[02:21] <jawee>    http://pastebin.ca/851620
[02:21] <musik> jep
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> kyled185: eventually you will be able to get them from kde-apps
[02:21] <hunkennalle> the text prompt didnt come up
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ctrl+alt+f2?
[02:22] <hunkennalle> yes
[02:22] <hunkennalle> nothing
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: sorry, I don't know what to say...
[02:22] <jawee> http://pastebin.ca/851620 is my error I am getting
[02:22] <hunkennalle> im gonna try the alternativ instalation
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> jawee: uninstall the kde4game-data, which is an old package
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ok. thats a bit harder... but read the directions and you should be fine
[02:23] <hunkennalle> ok
[02:23] <ader10> nosrednaekim: maybe if your 300 or so other friends were actually at the computer us noobs could get some more help ;) It's hard to help everybody by yourself
[02:23] <[Nige]> nosrednaekim, do you know if there is a new package for knetwork-manager for kde4?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: no.. there is not
[02:24] <[Nige]> okay
[02:24] <[Nige]> :(
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ah! ok... try this...log out, log into kde4, wehn it errors out do NOT log back into gnome. go to ctrl+alt+f2, log in run "cp .xession-errors errors" go back to gdm, log into gnome and pastebin that "errors" file
[02:25] <ader10> nosrednaekim: ah, smart.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ader10: I think your gnome session was overwriting the errors file
[02:26] <ader10> yes
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> hence the GTK warningings
[02:26] <TopAgent> I have a smart phone, sprint HTC touch and it is quite nice.. Is there any software that I can use to connect it to the system? I have tried some ( kmobile, kandy ) and none seem to find the phone.. I know it is somewhat new but is there any hope other than windows??
[02:28] <[Nige]> hmm konqueror seems to crash on smb :(
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> TopAgent: google it...
[02:29] <TopAgent> k
[02:29] <g2g591> [Nige]: do you have samba-common installed
[02:29] <[Nige]> i should do,
[02:29] <[Nige]> I will check
[02:30] <[Nige]> g2g591, its installed :)
[02:30] <[Nige]> or was installed already :S
[02:31] <ader10> nosrednaekim: alt-f2 didn't work, and ctrl-alt-f# didn't work either, just gave me a blinking cursor. So I tried the failsafe terminal login but I don't think that's what you want. anyway here it is: http://pastebin.com/m6dc1eb01
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> ok... we'll see
[02:31] <g2g591> [Nige]: yeah, that means installed. I'm stumped, it worked (a while ago, when I had a nother computer with windows) for me
[02:32] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: hey, just been fidling with the config file u mentioned, I managed to move panel to other screen (woot) but I can't make it small, i set it to a height of 20 but its still same size, is the panel 56 in height minimum or something do you know?
[02:32] <[Nige]> g2g591, it crashed  trying to connect to debian server :S
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> adz21c: I have no clue... i haven't tried fiddling with sizes
[02:32] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: ok cheers anyway
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> ader10: hmm lemme check on something
[02:33] <g2g591> [Nige]:debian server? huh?
[02:34] <[Nige]> Yer I have debian server at home :) konqueror crashed when trying to connect
[02:35] <g2g591> [Nige]: Ok, how about I point you to the Linux way of shareing folders, instead of the linux<->Windows way
[02:35] <[Nige]> g2g591, the folders are shared, it just seems to be a kde 4 thing, it worked with the other version of kde :)
[02:35] <[Nige]> samba is setup the way it should be
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ader10: hum seems to be a common problem
[02:36] <ader10> nosrednaekim: link
[02:36] <ader10> ?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ader10: looking for one that actually has a fix ;)
[02:36] <g2g591> [Nige] well, does it work in the kde 3 version of Konqueror
[02:37] <osiris> so will kde 4 be an update for dapper ?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> osiris: nope :)
[02:37] <g2g591> osirir: definatly not
[02:37] <g2g591> osiris:
[02:38] <[Nige]> g2g591, it used to work fine :)
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok! run "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[02:38] <g2g591> osiris: Dapper is an (old) LTS release, it won't be updated with new , relitivly unstable KDE 4.0
[02:38] <flamesage> Can someone help me get my mic working?
[02:38] <osiris> k, just wondering
[02:39] <ader10> Earth to nosrednaekim...
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ader10: and run a "df" for me too... your disk may be full
[02:39] <[Nige]> whooops
[02:39] <ader10> no, 56 percent disk usage
[02:39] <ader10> no more
[02:39] <g2g591> osiris: The next lts release is the very next release, Hardy Heron, It will have a version with kde 4 installed by default
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ader10: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandriva/browse_thread/thread/92ebd81eb119c93c
[02:39] <osiris> kewl.  im waiting for lts
[02:40] <Raspberry> I'm having DRI problems with my xorg server...
[02:40] <Raspberry> It says that it's not running
[02:40] <flamesage> Is anyone here good with mics?
[02:40] <Raspberry> I checked it last week and It was working fine -- is there anything I can do to get Direct Rendering working again?
[02:41] <osiris> is anyone else having a problem with smb4k today ? I told it what workgroup to be on, but all is seems to see if the default workgroup of "workgroup"
[02:41] <g2g591> osiris: I'm using hardy now, I have 722 updates waiting (I'm sorta half way between Gutsy and Hardy)
[02:41] <ader10> nosrednaekim: Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:41] <ader10> /dev/hdd3              32G   18G   12G  61% /
[02:41] <osiris> im thinking i need to delete the ~/. file for it
[02:42] <g2g591> osiris: sounds like a decent idea
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> ader10: could you pastebin the whole output of "df"?
[02:42] <Rodolfo> hello everybody! ppl still says the next version of Kubuntu 8.04HH(if available to be released) won't be LTS. Is this because of  the new KDE4?
[02:42] <osiris> g2g591, not to sound rude, but i dont have time anymore to constantly play the update game with all the latest mini versions
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: pretty much
[02:43] <ader10> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.com/m27345b91
[02:43] <[Nige]> oh well smb4k still seems to work :)
[02:43] <g2g591> osiris: oh yeah forgot, Kubuntu hardy wont be lts, but ubuntu hardy will
[02:43] <osiris> i dont do ANY debugging of packages or beta testing anymore.  just dont have any time anymore
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok
[02:44] <[Nige]> I think i like kde 4 :)
[02:44] <g2g591> Rodolfo: yes, because the devs would have to split their attention too much between 3.5.x and 4.x.y for an extra long time. Canocal made the call, not the Kubuntu devs
[02:44] <Rodolfo> nosrednaekim: let's assume that the new version comes out! what do you think: either it will be with KDE3.5.8 embedded to be LTS or KDE4 anyway?
[02:44] <Raspberry> how do you turn on DRI ?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: the new version is out ;)
[02:45] <g2g591> Rodolfo: There will be 2 releases of hardy, one with 3.5 as default and one with 4 as the default
[02:45] <Rodolfo> nosrednaekim: I mean to be with Kubuntu HH
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: as of today :)
[02:46] <Rodolfo> g2g591: what?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> ader10: i'm out of ideas....
[02:46] <Rodolfo> g2g591: and where did you see that?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> :(
[02:46] <[Nige]> kde4 now does ntfs ?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: that is whats happening
[02:46] <g2g591> Rodolfo: a lots of places
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: well, gutsy does
[02:47] <Rodolfo> g2g591: please mention just one of them
[02:47] <[Nige]> natively nosrednaekim ?
[02:47] <Rodolfo> g2g591: I need details
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: via FUSE
[02:47] <g2g591> Rodolfo: ill go find them again.....
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> !LTS
[02:47] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:47] <Rodolfo> g2g591: thanks :D
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> meh...
[02:47] <[Nige]> fair enough, sounds goood to me :)
[02:47] <[Nige]> oh well
[02:48] <pierreth> hello
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> hey pierreth
[02:48] <pierreth> I am upgrading from version 7.04 to 7.10
[02:48] <g2g591> Rodolfo: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha3/Kubuntu for one\
[02:49] <Rodolfo> g2g591, nosrednaekim: as far as I knwo, Kubuntu has only 35% of the total downloads counted by Canonical. So the question is if why are they doing that?
[02:49] <pierreth> is it normal that the upgarde window stay in the same state for a long time?
[02:49] <jsubl2> what is the best wayto try kde4... 7.10 release or the alphas
[02:50] <g2g591> Rodolfo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002111.html , answers the 3.5-4 split and your latest question
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: for two reasons(as I understand it). 1) kde3 is almost done with its life cycle and they don't want to have to support it for 3 years
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> 2) they don't want to make KDE4 supported either because its too unstable
[02:51] <jawee> ok
[02:51] <g2g591> nosrednaekim: good explaination
[02:51] <merde> I installed ubuntu.  I installed the drivers from the nvidia page.  It loaded after installing, but after rebooting it didn't work.  So I installed the drivers using apt and that didn't work.  but after that when I hit ctrl+alt+f1 it doesn't show anything
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> merde: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:52] <merde> kubuntu
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> ok :) did you try using the restrcicted-manager?
[02:53] <merde> well yeah
[02:53] <merde> I did all of that
[02:53] <merde> I have a geforce fx 5200 so the ubuntu drivers don't work
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> why not?
[02:53] <merde> I have to compile my own in order for it tow ork
[02:53] <merde> dunno, it's something about the drivers
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> oh..ok
[02:53] <merde> but that's not the problem
[02:54] <merde> the only way I can get anything is if I boot using the restore option
[02:54] <merde> otherwise it shows the usplash and load X
[02:54] <merde> when I type
[02:55] <merde> ps -e, It shows getty in it, but it won't show
[02:55] <specialbuddy> how do I get the kde4 effects to work?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: knew you'd be back... gotta link for you :)
[02:55] <Rodolfo> g2g591, nosrednaekim: thank you guys for making this clear for me :)
[02:56] <g2g591> specialbuddy: right click one of the window titles, and click more options, or advanced options or something like that
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes
[02:57] <Impiety> I'm so officially baffled
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: whats the problem?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: NP.... its rather confusing ;)
[02:57] <Impiety> nosrednaekim: I'm the guy who was using the nickname merde, had to change it because it was used by someone else
[02:58] <g2g591> Rodolfo: yeah, it is actually rather confusing to us too, sorry if we made it too clear
[02:58] <LoKi0480> How do you fix Grub Loading Stage 1.5
[02:58] <LoKi0480> Grub Error 17
[02:58] <Rodolfo> no problem ;)
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: oh ok...booting normal mode doesn't work at all?
[02:59] <Impiety> yes it does
[02:59] <LoKi0480> yeah no boot.
[02:59] <Impiety> it just doesn't show anything in tty1 or tty2 or tty3
[02:59] <Impiety> etc
[02:59] <biovore> LoKi0480: bios problem..  has to do with how the bios reports the disk orders
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: oh... I thin thats an nvidia problem
[02:59] <g2g591> impiety: to "reserve" a nick name for your self so that others can not use it, /msg NickServ register desired_password
[02:59] <Impiety> this nick is registered to me
[02:59] <LoKi0480> it's a new hd
[02:59] <Impiety> my username is merde so it used that by default
[03:00] <LoKi0480> what's tty1 or 2 or 3
[03:00] <Impiety> umm...
[03:00] <Impiety> when you hit ctrl+alt+f1
[03:00] <Impiety> it shwos a console
[03:00] <LoKi0480> oh
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: so X works and everything?
[03:00] <Impiety> yeah
[03:00] <Impiety> it works fine
[03:00] <Impiety> loads gl and everything even compiz
[03:00] <Impiety> it's pretty
[03:00] <LoKi0480> i'm running server only
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: yeah... I think thats a bug with the kernel framebuffer and the nvidia driver
[03:01] <LoKi0480> this has happened before it's really starting to bother me...
[03:02] <Impiety> hrm
[03:02] <LoKi0480> any idea's on how to recover other the a fresh os
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> LoKi0480: boot a liveCD and recover grub
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[03:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:04] <LoKi0480> i'm using this box a file server, is this because windows machine's are accessing it or is this a common problem
[03:05] <specialbuddy> I'm having problems when I copy a link from xchat
[03:05] <specialbuddy> xchat just shuts off
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: use konversation
[03:05] <specialbuddy> I'm also still having a problem with effects
[03:05] <specialbuddy> they are on
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> did you turn the indiviual ones on?
[03:06] <LoKi0480> i'll try this in the morning, thanks guys...
[03:06] <specialbuddy> box switch, desktop grid, and taskbar thumnails are all on
[03:07] <Impiety> nosrednaekim: what do you suggest I do
[03:07] <osiris> ok, so  according to my testing accross 2 machines, it seems that the samba updates i got today broke smb4k in the fact that it will olny thing it is assigned the default workgroup of workgroup. (this is for dapper)
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: turn on translucency
[03:07] <osiris> manual mount is fine
[03:08] <specialbuddy> what does translucency do?  It's on and nothing changed
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: search google... I think there is a hack. search for something like "linux nvidia framebuffer problems"
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: did you hit apply?
[03:08] <specialbuddy> yeah
[03:08] <Impiety> nosrednaekim: thanks man
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: read that link I sent.. it says how to debug kwin
[03:09] <specialbuddy> ok
[03:13] <interfear> If I download the gutsy live cd w/ kde4 can I install kubuntu from there and it will be with kde 4?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> interfear: yeah..I believe you can install from that CD
[03:13] <interfear> nice
[03:13] <g2g591> Interfear: it probabily will not be 4.0.0 as it just came out today and cd images need to be update
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> nope... its kde4.0
[03:14] <interfear> sweet
[03:14] <interfear> i can't stand gnome anymore
[03:14] <g2g591> good glad im worng
[03:14] <interfear> ive been waiting for kde4 so i can switch to kubuntu and play with new toys
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> g2g591: while it was just RELEASED today.... the packages have been in development for about a week
[03:15] <g2g591> Im doing an svn update from a checkout a few days before the 4.0 release (about when it was tagged), and there are so many changes
[03:15] <intelikey> Q. can one watch movies that are blue ray format, from the hdd just like normal dvd iso's ?
[03:15] <g2g591> manly a bunch of icons
[03:15] <biovore> yup.. is been very active the last week or so..
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: wow... where'd you get one of those
[03:16] <g2g591> nosrednaekim: I know it has been sitting around frozen in /branches/4.0 or something
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: I think blueray has a new type of encryption .
[03:16] <intelikey> figures.
[03:17] <intelikey> so it will be a while eeh
[03:17] <g2g591> I'm in progress of making a Gentoo install with KDE-svn
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: put dvdJon on it ;)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> ok.. bye everyong.. have fun with kde4
[03:17] <intelikey> ;)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> *everyone
[03:17] <adz21c> cya :-)
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> or with you 1980's command line...*ahem intelikey ahem* ;)
[03:18] <g2g591> nosrednaekim: hey don't diss the current state of my gentoo install!
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> XD
[03:19] <g2g591> Thank goodness for chroot, im installing kde 4 on gentoo from a Konsole window in Kubuntu
[03:20] <dbmoodb> hi ah kde 4 released for kubuntu gutsy or only hardy ?
[03:21] <adz21c> dbmoodb: u can get it on gutsy
[03:21] <dbmoodb> k
[03:21] <dbmoodb> ah is it in the repos ?
[03:21] <dbmoodb> or only from that one  - reading the link
[03:21] <adz21c> www.kubuntu.org
[03:21] <adz21c> see the announcement
[03:21] <dbmoodb> i'm reading it
[03:21] <adz21c> yea, the full thing is in there
[03:22] <dbmoodb> but not in the existing repos ?
[03:22] <dbmoodb> aka my isp
[03:22] <adz21c> some of its in backports, i think they are moving it there but its not done, so for now try not to mix them, might be worth disabling backports while u install
[03:22] <dbmoodb> don't have them on
[03:22] <adz21c> ok
[03:22] <dbmoodb> mmm kde4base is in the repos i have here
[03:23] <grul> never gonna give you up! never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you!!!
[03:23] <adz21c> nope
[03:23] <g2g591> dbmoodb:well, check the version is the best advice i have for you
[03:23] <adz21c> yea the version will be 4.0.0
[03:23] <dbmoodb> kde ?
[03:23] <dbmoodb> i have here 3.94 in my repo
[03:24] <adz21c> yea, its not in main repos, it will be in backports i think but its not quite there yet
[03:24] <dbmoodb> mmm might add the hardy stuff to this - isp should have it in there - its in the hardy repos ?
[03:24] <adz21c> so launchpads the way
[03:24] <g2g591> dbmoodb:then use the other repo from the release announcement
[03:24] <dbmoodb> -trying to get it quota free
[03:24] <dbmoodb> nar from my isp
[03:24] <dbmoodb> !iinet
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iinet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <dbmoodb> meh works in debian
[03:25] <g2g591> dbmoodb: warning:do not add hardy stuff unless you want an extreamly unstable system
[03:25] <dbmoodb> :)
[03:25] <dbmoodb> i run debian etch as my main os
[03:25] <dbmoodb> so ah hardy backports will do ?
[03:26] <mschiff_> has anybody tried to create a directory with kubuntu kde 4.0.0?
[03:26] <g2g591> dbmoodb: hardy backports are packages that won't make it into hardy, use gutsy backports instead
[03:26] <dbmoodb> ah
[03:27] <adz21c> mschiff_: i interestly can't.....
[03:27] <g2g591> dbmoodb: i run Kubuntu, its sorta half way between Gutsy and Hardy,
[03:27] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I havn't bothered finishing hte upgrade  yet
[03:27] <dbmoodb> eh ?
[03:27] <mschiff_> adz21c: yes you can't ;)
[03:27] <dbmoodb> i'm playing with ubuntu now
[03:27] <mschiff_> there is no menu option for it...
[03:27] <dbmoodb> well kg/ubuntu
[03:28] <adz21c> thats just weird
[03:28] <adz21c> lol
[03:28] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I've played around with Debian testing and Unstable, it works pretty well, but it doesn't seem to work as well as *buntu
[03:28] <dbmoodb> .....
[03:28] <dbmoodb> g2g ?
[03:29] <g2g591> dbmoodb: ?
[03:29] <dbmoodb> ubuntu and kubuntu sync with debian testing every 6 months or so i believe then fix it up so yeah, it will be very different to what you run
[03:29] <dbmoodb> debian etch is what you run if you want a stable, fast etc. built distro
[03:29] <dbmoodb> just like some one told me not to add hardy stuff, i recommend using stable for debian
[03:30] <intelikey> here here !
[03:32] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I don't like stability :p
[03:32] <Aulus> When I follow the directions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php, I get the following error: http://rafb.net/p/0QeOcI53.html. Could someone help me with fixing this?
[03:32] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I like testing things when they are brand new and potentally unstable
[03:32] <intelikey> g2g591 then use vesta
[03:33] <g2g591> intellikey: vista is half baked and slow as crap, its what lead me to use linux
[03:33] <dbmoodb> so then why do you say that debian testing and unstable are different to ubuntu mm?
[03:33] <dbmoodb> oh really g2g
[03:33] <dbmoodb> you are the first vista linux switch i know by net
[03:34] <intelikey> g2g591 thought you "don't like stability" :)))
[03:34] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to make kpkg.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[03:34] <g2g591> dbmoodb: well, Kubuntu made configuring a bunch of stuff like nvidia drivers a lot easier
[03:34] <dbmoodb> apt-get install localpurge
[03:34] <adz21c> Aulus: try installing just kdebase-kde4 see what it says thats not going to be installed
[03:35] <dbmoodb> g2g ... ah not really
[03:35] <dbmoodb> brb
[03:35] <sFEARs> is that to me dbmoodb
[03:35] <sFEARs> localpurge
[03:35] <intelikey> sFEARs you could clear out the archive cache   you could empty the trash     you could even set the reserved blocks to a lower percent
[03:35] <sFEARs> i get an error about writing to /tmp
[03:35] <g2g591> intelikey: well Hardy isn't stable, thats what im running
[03:35] <dbmoodb> it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
[03:36] <dbmoodb> that too
[03:36] <dbmoodb> apt-get clean
[03:36] <Aulus> adz21c: here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/Wfq8ee46.html
[03:36] <intelikey> sFEARs if that dont do it for you   you can always start deleting crap    :)))
[03:36] <sFEARs> i was having the same error on "make xconfig" i cleared the trashed & it worked.. but now i'm getting the same error again on make kpkg.. but i have lots of space left on the drive
[03:36] <dbmoodb> that is how you would do it in debian g2g
[03:36] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I know how to install nvidia drivers by hand, but the Ubuntu one liner to install is apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <sFEARs> i have over 20 gigs left.. that has to be enough
[03:37] <intelikey> sFEARs try running it as root ?
[03:37] <dbmoodb> ah how do i add backports mmm
[03:37] <sFEARs> did run as root
[03:37] <dbmoodb> is it blah/ gutsy-backports ?
[03:37] <adz21c> Aulus: keep choosing the lowest level of each of that outputs apps till u get something with a different message, so for example now try kdebase-bin-kde4, and if that just gets loads of such and such wont be installed, keep trying till u get something different
[03:37] <g2g591> dbmoodb: /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sh Nvidia(someotherstuffiforgot).pkg && /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:37] <intelikey> sFEARs and it errors with no space left   as root ?
[03:37] <sFEARs> yup.. sudo -s -H
[03:38] <sFEARs> as well as sudo make kpkg
[03:38] <sFEARs> i tried both ways
[03:38] <intelikey> sFEARs pastebin    cat /proc/mounts /proc/partitions   for me.
[03:38] <dbmoodb> mmm?
[03:38] <sFEARs> alright
[03:39] <dbmoodb> for backports ?..
[03:39] <dbmoodb> !backport
[03:39] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[03:39] <g2g591> dbmoodb: no, theres a check box in adept
[03:39] <dbmoodb> eh
[03:40] <pepe> can anyone help me with amsn and compiz-fusion? my computer freezes wen I start Amsn
[03:40] <dbmoodb> oh i see it now
[03:40] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[03:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:41] <Aulus> adz21c: could you share your sources.list file? Nothing's working
[03:41] <g2g591> dbmoodb:to enable backports, run kdesu adept_manager, then click adept, then click manage repositories, then click the updates tab then click unsupported updates
[03:41] <dbmoodb> ok now to get kde4 - is there a metapackage in packports ?
[03:41] <dbmoodb> i did g2g
[03:41] <adz21c> Aulus: mines just the standard kubuntu main, universe, multiverse and the other, updates and the ppa in the announcement
[03:41] <sFEARs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51623/
[03:42] <kristjan_> I need a program that records my desktop to video
[03:42] <dbmoodb> apt-get install kd4 ? rofl
[03:42] <intelikey> sFEARs k.  looking...
[03:42] <g2g591> dbmoodb: not sure
[03:42] <dbmoodb> oh and why is the flash plugin broken - adobe ?
[03:43] <g2g591> dbmoodb:not sure (can't remember)
[03:43] <biovore> yup
[03:43] <biovore> !flash
[03:43] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:43] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[03:43] <dbmoodb> ... rofl
[03:43] <kristjan_> *screen capturing program to be more specific
[03:43] <dbmoodb> time till fix tho ?
[03:43] <intelikey> sFEARs one more thing   df -h
[03:44] <Aulus> "Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) but 4.1.2-0ubuntu4 is to be installed" wouldn't this mean I have the wrong stuff? I'm on gutsy
[03:44] <intelikey> the free space may be at the wrong place.
[03:44] <FaiDillinGer> i love kubuntu
[03:44] <Zombocom> same here
[03:44] <sFEARs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51624/
[03:45] <sFEARs> ohh.. i see it now
[03:45] <intelikey> sFEARs yeah.  you are running out of space on the root fs     784M  92% /     that's where /tmp is.
[03:46] <adz21c> Aulus: no both versions of libstdc++6 are availble in gutsy, try upgrading it
[03:46] <adz21c> Aulus:
[03:46] <intelikey> sFEARs try emptying the package cache      sudo apt-get clean
[03:46] <intelikey> then check the    df -h     see what you gained.
[03:47] <sFEARs> alright
[03:47] <pepe> please, I want to use AMSN but my computer freezes when I start it...
[03:47] <sFEARs> crap.. still downloading.. i'll try that once apt is done
[03:47] <FaiDillinGer> what a pity
[03:48] <sFEARs> i did do that earlier though..and it still runs out of space
[03:48] <intelikey> sFEARs apt probably wont get done,  it will probably errror out
[03:48] <dbmoodb> :) i love my isp
[03:48] <sFEARs> i understand
[03:49] <sFEARs> i compiled a kernel the other day with no problems.. i wonder what files it left behind i can delete
[03:49] <dbmoodb> mmm i do not feel your pain add a nas device
[03:49] <dbmoodb> or use mine if you want :)
[03:49] <kristjan_> if anyone interested - krecordmydesktop is good enough for such task
[03:50] <Aulus> adz21c: I tried that, how could I correct the error "The following packages have been kept back:"?
[03:50] <dbmoodb> apt-upgrade ?
[03:51] <dbmoodb> mmm  -hopes kde4 will look better than 3
[03:51] <sFEARs> i can empty the /usr/src folder with no problems right?
[03:51] <adz21c> Aulus: its just a matter of satisfying dependencies, packages are kept back if you can't forefill all the dependencies
[03:51] <dbmoodb> - sfears didn't you just say you compiled a kernel ?
[03:51] <sFEARs> yeah
[03:51] <dbmoodb> so where did you put the kernel to compile it ?
[03:51] <sFEARs> /usr/src
[03:52] <dbmoodb> and you got which package to install it ?
[03:52] <sFEARs> i think
[03:52] <sFEARs> kpkg
[03:52] <intelikey> sFEARs you might also do something like    du -sSxh /    to see where that 9g of root fs went   that would be a lot of system.       and yes you can empty /usr/src  but if you don't keep the makefule   you may not be able to uninstall
[03:52] <dbmoodb> ah no i mean the linux kernel package to get the soruce
[03:52] <dbmoodb> sfears - got another comp ?
[03:52] <sFEARs> i downloaded from kernel.org
[03:52] <interfear> how do i get sound to work in kubuntu? it worked fine in ubuntu 7.10
[03:52] <dbmoodb> oh ... not via - ok fine
[03:52] <sFEARs> yeah, but it's not online
[03:53] <dbmoodb> eh ?
[03:53] <dbmoodb> i take it you are not at home then
[03:53] <michael__> kde 4 is out sweet
[03:54] <sFEARs> so you said that if i delete the files from /usr/src i won't be able to uninstall??
[03:54] <g2g591> dbmoodb:I'd recommend you put your source in /usr/src/kernelversion then replace the /usr/src/linux symlink so it links to your kernel source instead of the preinstalled
[03:54] <Aulus> um, is a 'dist-upgrade' for gusty supposed to remove kdm?
[03:55] <dbmoodb> eh ? tis not me with the kernel
[03:55] <sFEARs> <~~~ kernel problems
[03:55] <sFEARs> and that's what i did g2g591
[03:55] <intelikey> sFEARs what you build has to be uninstalled the same way it's installed.   that's all i'm saying.
[03:55] <dbmoodb> i was just saying that so as to go - well if you delete it then how will you recompile
[03:55] <dbmoodb> - sfears - should be
[03:55] <intelikey> and the   command i should have gave was   du -cSxh / | sort -n
[03:56] <dbmoodb> how do i build deps and stuff mm? - trying to get kdebase-bin-kde4 to install
[03:56] <g2g591> dbmoodb:you have to explictly tell it to install the dependancies, for some reason
[03:56] <intelikey> the two biggest dirs i have are   1020K   /usr/share/doc/blt/html
[03:56] <intelikey> 1020K   /usr/share/icons/kdeclassic/32x32/actions
[03:56] <sFEARs> well i'll delte everything other than the current kernel i'm compiling
[03:56] <dbmoodb> - what command is that ?
[03:56] <sFEARs> mabey that would free up enough space
[03:56] <dbmoodb> --build-deps ?
[03:57] <michael__> hello everyone i was tryin just earlier on to set a specific app kwrite to open txt files so i right clicked and was tryin but it wasn't configurin it was still askin for an app to open the note file and now  everytime i open other doc even program i get this error message statin
[03:57] <michael__> application/octet-stream
[03:57] <michael__> wat does that mean
[03:57] <g2g591> dbmoodb: perhaps?
[03:57] <sFEARs> i'm not interested in using the kernel i compiled the other day anyway, how would i uninstall it?
[03:58] <g2g591> sFEARs:cd ing to the directory with the source of that kernel and using make uninstall
[03:58] <sFEARs> cool
[03:58] <michael__> Could not find mime type application/octet-stream
[03:59] <snarkster> im not so sure I wan.. :( amd I crazy?na change to kde4 right now
[03:59] <dbmoodb> - main comp / main os ?
[03:59] <corinth> I installed Kubuntu through the kubuntu-desktop metapackage. During setup, I selected gdm as my default. What is the command to run that tool again in konsole so I can select kdm?
[03:59] <sFEARs> could i also create a symlink on my /home folder & compile in there on the partition where i have plenty of space?
[03:59] <g2g591> michael_:try rebooting, see if its a temporary issue
[03:59] <sFEARs> or does it need to be done in the /src folder?
[03:59] <g2g591> corinth: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:00] <intelikey> sFEARs yes you can
[04:00] <corinth> g2g591: Ah, thanks so much!
[04:00] <snarkster> let me try that again as it didnt come out right.. Im not sure I wanna goto kde 4. :( amd I crazy?
[04:00] <sFEARs> amd I crazy.. good sales pitch
[04:00] <intelikey> sFEARs if you make  ln -s /home/something/ro/other /usr/src    but /usr/src has to not exist first.
[04:00] <g2g591> snarkster: let me tell you what you think and will do, you will go 3.5 and go back to 4.1 when it is released
[04:01] <intelikey> then all that goes into the /usr/src will be in your home
[04:01] <michael__> g2g591_: i did reboot and i got a whole heap of error box statin the same crap upon start up into the desktop
[04:01] <_gtt_> anyone gotten kppp to work with GPRS?
[04:01] <dbmoodb> E: Build-Depends dependency for kdeartwork-kde4 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kdebase-dev-kde4 can satisfy version requirements
[04:01] <sFEARs> has to NOT exist?
[04:01] <dbmoodb> .... great
[04:01] <snarkster> i dont under stand why it keeps doing that
[04:01] <snarkster> oh so 4.0 isnt that great?
[04:01] <intelikey> sFEARs yeah  you can't creat a link with the name of an existing inode.   i.e.  move /usr/src first
[04:02] <adz21c> snarkster: its not really ready .. its released for early adopters to weed out the many bugs
[04:02] <specialbuddy> I'm still having a hard time getting kde4 effects to work
[04:02] <Ahmuck> will kubuntu run from a usb key?
[04:02] <g2g591> snarkster: a lot of features that were in 3.5 are missing from 4.0 , but will be reimplimented for 4.1 or later. I bet 3.0 was missing lots of features too
[04:02] <sFEARs> give me a minute.. i'm a little confused on the symlink thing
[04:03] <g2g591> Ahmuck: If you have a really huge usb key and put lots of effort into it
[04:03] <snarkster> its the target first then the source
[04:03] <intelikey> sFEARs example of the full migration.    sudo mv /usr/src /home && sudo ln -s /home/src /usr/src
[04:04] <dbmoodb> mnmmm backports upgrading
[04:04] <dbmoodb> - do you think i can do back afterwards rofl
[04:04] <intelikey> that will free up a lot of space on the root fs and permanantly move everything in /usr/src to the home fs    even newly installed source.
[04:05] <specialbuddy> so is anyone else having trouble getting the effects to work?
[04:05] <adz21c> specialbuddy: you mean the desktop effects?
[04:05] <specialbuddy> yeah
[04:05] <adz21c> yea i can't even alt+tab at the mo
[04:05] <specialbuddy> I know that my graphics card is working
[04:05] <intelikey> sFEARs you will access it just like you always did,  or with the real path /home/src
[04:05] <g2g591> dbmoodb:it is rather hard to downgrade and there are packages in kubuntu that won't install in debian
[04:05] <sFEARs> do i have to link /usr/src? could i link (ln -s) source file directory (/home/user/folder/kernel-2.#) to a directory with plenty of space (/home/user/folder/linux)?
[04:05] <snarkster> yah I didnt see that either in RC2
[04:05] <dbmoodb> ?
[04:05] <dbmoodb> g2g i'm using ubuntu atm
[04:06] <adz21c> specialbuddy: it doesn't even do a simple minimize effect
[04:06] <g2g591> dbmoodb:it is rather hard to downgrade still
[04:06] <specialbuddy> mine either, adz21c
[04:06] <sFEARs> and then make kpkg in the /home/user/folder/linux directory?
[04:06] <dbmoodb> - well i think i can do it
[04:06] <intelikey> sFEARs you can do the /usr/src  or any subdirrectory thereof.  yes.
[04:06] <g2g591> dbmoodb:but backports are fine stable packages
[04:06] <dbmoodb> just break and isolate packages then remove all without a target
[04:06] <snarkster> I monkied around with the graphics effects and lost everything lol
[04:06] <adz21c> audios there that (Y) and thats been the hard bit for me in the past :-P
[04:06] <intelikey> sFEARs but you need to move it first.  else you gain nothing.
[04:07] <intelikey> same exapmle applies.  only the paths change.
[04:07] <dbmoodb> mm tis hot -28C here
[04:07] <intelikey> sFEARs example of the full migration.    sudo mv /usr/src /home && sudo ln -s /home/src /usr/src
[04:07] <snarkster> wow fing cold
[04:07] <dbmoodb> - i mean 28c
[04:07] <dbmoodb> kill the minus
[04:07] <snarkster> oh
[04:07] <dbmoodb> - my fault
[04:08] <dbmoodb> it is 301k :)
[04:10] <sFEARs> alright.. i think i see what's going on there
[04:12] <ebovine> Say, does anyone know how to change which mixer channel the volume buttons on my keyboard control and change it from jumping 10% at a time in Gutsy?
[04:12] <dbmoodb> ah is kde4 in hardy then ?
[04:12] <intelikey> in the example the new /usr/src is a symbolic link pointing to the /home/src which is on the other partition and contains all the data.   the system still accesses it through the /usr/src/* path as if nothing moved/changed.   @ sFEARs
[04:13] <sFEARs> cool.. sounds like that will work just fine
[04:13] <intelikey> yep.
[04:15] <corinth> I'm having a problem viewing webcam on Kopete. When a friends sends a request to view, I see the pop up. I accept it, but at the moment it tries to load it Kopete crashes. I've pasted the crash output here: http://pastebin.com/m68cffbc
[04:15] <corinth> Please help?
[04:16] <specialbuddy> well
[04:18] <specialbuddy> I have tried out kde4 and it's cool but I'm going to go back to what kubuntu 7.10 came with.  Can't use effects and applications keep crashing
[04:19] <Ahmuck> g2g591, 1 and/or 2 gig usb key?
[04:20] <dbmoodb> special
[04:20] <dbmoodb> how did you upgrade tho ?
[04:20] <dbmoodb> - i'm getting unmet deps
[04:21] <lunar-raven> this is really weird..why would amarok only be finding like half of my collection when it scans? im using the old amarok in kde4
[04:21] <linuxmce_> I installed a bluetooth device - ubuntu sees it just fine  - but I can't connect to it.  It shows that it is scanning and finds my phone - but won't connect. Is there a way to remvoe the device and start over?
[04:21] <dbmoodb> eh
[04:21] <dbmoodb> ah hcitool attach or bind i think you do
[04:22] <iN00DLE> is that like taking your old g/f for a spin in your new car, lunar-raven ?
[04:23] <lunar-raven> haha
[04:23] <lunar-raven> yes
[04:23] <lunar-raven> i think it is
[04:24] <maduser> is kde4 good?
[04:25] <maduser> currently installing it
[04:25] <maduser> do you run it from log in?
[04:25] <mike_> kde4 is good
[04:25] <corinth> maduser: Iit looks nice, though still pretty uncomplete. 4.1 will be nice, I think.
[04:25] <mike_> but I myself am going to wait till 8.04 to come out before I install it
[04:25] <hunkennalle> do you have to download it and instal it through iso?
[04:25] <maduser> I getting the packages
[04:26] <corinth> hunkennalle: No, no.
[04:26] <lunar-raven> kde is pretty nice. it's missing a few things , but it works well for me
[04:26] <lunar-raven> and it's really fast
[04:26] <mike_> just get the live cd
[04:26] <lunar-raven> kde 4*
[04:26] <corinth> hunkennalle: kubuntu.org has a nice instruction list on how to get it.
[04:26] <hunkennalle> from kubutu.org?
[04:26] <hunkennalle> ok
[04:26] <ScottG> just installed KDE4 final.. in it right now..
[04:26] <hunkennalle> im downloading it
[04:27] <corinth> hunkennalle: You can just install it through terminal, heh.
[04:27] <hunkennalle> its pretty slow though... 180kb/s
[04:27] <ScottG> how on earth do you resize the bottom panel? Icon size change attempts didn't work :)
[04:27] <corinth> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[04:28] <DaWolffe> i have 7.04 was thinking of upgrading to gutsy, then kde 4, but i am thinking it would be faster just to get the live cd?
[04:29] <lunar-raven> at the moment you can't resize the panel
[04:29] <lunar-raven> =[
[04:29] <intelikey> DaWolffe probably so.
[04:29] <lunar-raven> plasma isn't finished
[04:29] <corinth> So many missing icons in the menu :-/
[04:31] <se7en> somebody found a way to change the size of the taskbar or add a quicklaunch in kde4
[04:32] <dbmoodb> ah is there a way to move all packages back to the previous version aka from backports back to gutsy
[04:32] <maduser> amg
[04:32] <maduser> kde4 kicks ass
[04:32] <mike_> indeed
[04:32] <maduser> so beautiful
[04:33] <Skyblast> kde4 is gonna be so cool... when all the other apps are Qt4, heheh.
[04:33] <fildo> !kde4
[04:33] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[04:34] <Skyblast> IMO, it seems a little incomplete as it is for day to day use. Once everyone catches up and all the features get in it's gonna be awesome
[04:34] <mike_> agreed
[04:34] <Skyblast> but right now... you can't even adjust the panel size... that's kinda... off. ;)
[04:34] <mrtimbo> when they fix the panel i might switch
[04:35] <Skyblast> I'll install it of course to play with... but until hardy comes out and I see what's doing there, I'll stick with my uber awesome 3.5
[04:35] <lunar-raven> ive been using it all day..i dont need to resize the panel
[04:35] <mrtimbo> I downloaded it
[04:35] <Skyblast> I've already made a big switch for the month... doing away with Windows :)
[04:35] <lunar-raven> i can handle it like that til' the next release
[04:36] <lunar-raven> ;)
[04:36] <mrtimbo> of course i had to use ktorrent cause the others were too slow
[04:37] <dbmoodb> !downgrade
[04:37] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[04:38] <dbmoodb> fine
[04:38] <mrtimbo> !upgrade
[04:38] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:38] <sFEARs> what's the make uninstall command? i get an error when i "make uninstall" : make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[04:38] <sFEARs> make -u?
[04:39] <snarkster> later
[04:41] <dbmoodb> ok how can i use apt-get to install a certain version then ?
[04:42] <mrtimbo> are you in the directory that you did "make' sFEARs
[04:42] <se7en> i lost my taskbar in kde4 ...
[04:42] <sFEARs> ohhh.. no, that was an old symlink in the linux directory, i've since made a new symlink to the linux directory
[04:42] <mitch_> Just installed KDE4. I usually use PCM set as the master channel in KMix, but changing PCM isn't having any affect.
[04:43] <sFEARs> i guess i'd have to remake a symlink? & make uninstall?
[04:43] <cyber> how many kubuntu depolyments of KDE4 so far ?
[04:44] <se7en> somebody know how i get the taskbar in kde4 back
[04:45] <maduser> click that ugly thing in the top right
[04:45] <maduser> its a wiget
[04:46] <se7en> madrock_: i tried to start conky and that killed the taskbab
[04:46] <mitch_> I want to resize the application launcher a bit, know how anyone?
[04:46] <mikey> does this sound like an ok intro for my myspace: "hi my name is mike bailey, some of my interests include killa beez, da mystery of chessboxin, bringing the ruckus, and philsophy, specifically those theories which relate to cash ruling everything around us, c.r.e.a.m, get the money, dolla dolla bill yall."
[04:48] <sFEARs> i'd big up ODB aka Big Baby Jesus aka Dirt McGirt etc...
[04:48] <Blinkiz> Am having problem understanding how to burn a cd iso file with command line tool cdrecord. "cdrecord -v myisofile.iso" make the burn start but then a error message comes up, "cdrecord: CUE sheet still not accepted", "cdrecord: Cannot send CUE sheet." and "cdrecord: Could not write Lead-in.". Finally "cdrecord: fifo had 128 puts and 0 gets." What should I do to be able to burn a normal iso file with cdrecord?
[04:49] <sFEARs> Blinkiz, are you running as root?
[04:49] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: have tried both
[04:50] <sFEARs> mabey there is a -tag you need to specify to let it know it's burning an ISO file.. when you use GUI's you always need to specify that it's an ISO and not a regular data disk
[04:51] <sFEARs> mabey check the man page for cdrecord & scan for iso options
[04:51] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: okay.
[04:51] <anubis_> kwin crashes above 800x600?
[04:52] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: here is the complete output of cdrecord: http://pastebin.com/d77c09068
[04:53] <sFEARs> cdrecord: No write mode specified.
[04:53] <sFEARs> cdrecord: Asuming -sao mode.
[04:53] <sFEARs> cdrecord: If your drive does not accept -sao, try -tao.
[04:53] <sFEARs> might have something to do with it.. -sao mabey (sector at once) -tao (track at once) and -dao (disk at once)
[04:54] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: My DVD burner is a new one and should support them all
[04:54] <sFEARs> internal, USB?
[04:55] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: in man page for cdrecord there is alot about mkisofs. But I belive I don't have to use mkisofs because I already have an iso file. Right?
[04:55] <sFEARs> i think i've had a problem like that before, and i believe it was a bad connection
[04:56] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: Its a Pioneer DVR-212 that is connected with SATA-150
[04:56] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: I have succesfully burned with that DVD from Windows XP installed on the same computer.
[04:57] <sFEARs> The output of mkisofs can then be sent to a CDROM writer with a utility such as cdrecord.
[04:57] <[Nige]> anyone know how to get the panel back in KDE 4?
[04:58] <sFEARs> sounds like that might be the option in the GUI to burn and ISO image instead of a data disk.. but i'm not sure
[04:58] <anubis_> could someone using kde4 and a nvidia card please link me to a xorg.conf that will allow higher resolution that 800x600?
[04:58] <se7en> please me my help kde4 taskbar is gone ...
[04:58] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: I specified -tao option and now cdrecord is burning the cd iso. Why?
[04:58] <anubis_> like pastebin your xorg.conf?
[04:58] <anubis_> please
[04:59] <sFEARs> anubis_, ctrl+alt+f1 and log into a shell.. then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and pick nvidia as the driver and pick higher resolutions when it prompts for them
[04:59] <[Nige]> se7en, right click your desktop click on widgets and add task manager, you can drag it to the panel
[04:59] <sFEARs> might have something to do with the ISO since it's a single file mabey? support for large files perhaps?
[05:00] <anubis_> sFEARs: I've done that
[05:00] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: Anyway, you solved my problem. Thank you for the help :)
[05:00] <anubis_> which is why I asked for the file
[05:00] <sFEARs> i don't have my nvidia enabled right now so my xorg wouldn't help
[05:00] <sFEARs> no problem Blinkiz
[05:00] <anubis_> kwin crashes at the higher resolution
[05:00] <sFEARs> might have one backed up though.. hold on
[05:00] <anubis_> I did not say I am unable to choose a higher resolution
[05:01] <anubis_> there is a page which talks of kde4 kwin and nvidia
[05:01] <anubis_> if someone could just link me?
[05:01] <se7en> well i found out that you can add kmenu clock and so on and build your own taskbar but i would like the old one back [Nige]
[05:02] <[Nige]> i think you need to go back to KDE 3.5 for that se7en
[05:02] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[05:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:02] <se7en> [Nige]: i had the problem weeks before and someone told me to del ?? file and it worked
[05:03] <sFEARs> anubis_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51632/
[05:05] <flamesage> Where can I find the wallpapers used in KDE4.0?
[05:06] <cyber> is kde4 anygood ?
[05:07] <hydrogen> thats a fairly loaded question
[05:07] <hydrogen> that will get you a wide range of answers
[05:07] <hydrogen> none of which will be tailored to fit you
[05:08] <jay-oh-en> please can soembody help me
[05:08] <hydrogen> !ask | jay-oh-en
[05:08] <ubotu> jay-oh-en: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:08] <anubis_> did not see that, thanks sFEARs
[05:08] <jay-oh-en> everytime i turn my computer on my computer goes to a black screen with a white line blinking
[05:09] <jay-oh-en> hydrogen: yeah thanks for the ask that just helps everybody if you would just wait for me to type my question you wouldnt have needed that
[05:10] <jay-oh-en> where are the tty's located?
[05:10] <mikey>  /dev ?
[05:10] <jay-oh-en> i mean the exact location
[05:11] <mikey>  /dev/ttyp0
[05:11] <jay-oh-en> like i mean tty3 tty4 tty5 tty6
[05:12] <jay-oh-en> stdin: you there?
[05:13] <Some_Person> what packages would i need to create a full KDE4 install?
[05:13] <Some_Person> i currently have plain ol' ubuntu and want to add KDE4
[05:14] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: add the PPA and then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install kde4"
[05:14] <Sylphid> hello all..i just installed kde4 and now i have a volume box in the middle of my screen that i cant move or get rid of
[05:14] <hydrogen> cool
[05:14] <Some_Person> which PPA?
[05:15] <hydrogen> !kde4 > Some_Person
[05:15] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: the kde4 launchpad ppa, but i think the packages have been backported into official repository, so try the second part with the update and install
[05:15] <Some_Person> thank you
[05:15] <Some_Person> there are kde4 stable packages in backports
[05:16] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: there should be, not 100% if all the packages have been uploaded, just woke up, need to check :)
[05:16] <Some_Person> yeah, there is no "kde4" package in there
[05:16] <DreadKnight> ok, wait a sec
[05:17] <sfears> so i kde 3.5.8 KDE4?? wtf?
[05:17] <sfears> *is
[05:17] <DreadKnight> Some_Person:  there is probably kde4-core, but that's that is just the main thingy ...
[05:18] <virtualx> no
[05:18] <Some_Person> no
[05:18] <basy> what is dafault screensaver daemon for kubuntu?
[05:18] <virtualx> kde 3.5 is 3.5
[05:18] <sfears> figured
[05:18] <biovore> kde 3.9x is beta for kde4
[05:18] <Some_Person> there is no kde4-core
[05:19] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:19] <Some_Person> ok
[05:19] <Some_Person> i know how usefull those PPA's can be
[05:19] <virtualx> follow the instructions on the kbuntu page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[05:19] <mikey> http://youtube.com/watch?v=UyH-3ruD0ik
[05:20] <virtualx> does anyone know how to hide the plasma (kicker) bar in KDE4?
[05:20] <hydrogen> just wait long enough and it'll probably disappear
[05:20] <DreadKnight> virtualx: those instruction delete parts of your kde3 ;) they're very crappy
[05:20] <hydrogen> accoridng to many reports
[05:20] <Some_Person> oh, and once i get kde4 installed, is there a way to automatically hide the KDE apps in GNOME and vice-versa?
[05:20] <virtualx> I didn't notice any files get removed
[05:20] <DreadKnight> hydrogen: you mean you want your old menu?
[05:21] <virtualx> what parts of KDE3 are gone?
[05:21] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: no but you could "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop"
[05:21] <hydrogen> err
[05:21] <Some_Person> why the heck would i do that?
[05:21] <hydrogen> that wouldn't do at all what he wanted
[05:21] <DreadKnight> virtualx: it deleted things like konqueror etc
[05:21] <basy> anybody know the name of process that run screensaver?
[05:21] <hydrogen> Some_Person: theres no easy way to separate out kde and gnome apps
[05:22] <Some_Person> i know theres a script that does work, not sure if it works for kde4
[05:22] <hydrogen> virtualx: I /think/ if you open up ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc and delete anything referring to Containments[2]
[05:22] <hydrogen> and then log in again
[05:22] <hydrogen> it may disappear
[05:22] <virtualx> DreadKnight: not on my end - did you follow the link I posted?
[05:22] <virtualx> konqueror works fine
[05:22] <DreadKnight> virtualx: you can delete kicker from the panel, and replacing it with the old one by dragging it directly from the add widgets menu ;)
[05:23] <flamesage> Does anyone know where I can find the KDE 4.0 wallpapers?
[05:23] <DreadKnight> virtualx: yes
[05:23] <hydrogen> DreadKnight: once again.. you are answering ac ompletely different question that what is being asked
[05:23] <virtualx> DreadKnight: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc doesn't exist
[05:24] <hydrogen> virtualx: you might need to log out of kde4 first
[05:24] <hydrogen> err
[05:24] <hydrogen> it might be ~/.kde4 also
[05:24] <hydrogen> probably is
[05:24] <DreadKnight> virtualx, hydrogen: it's .kde4  ...
[05:24] <Sylphid> hello all..i just installed kde4 and now i have a volume box in the middle of my screen that i cant move or get rid of
[05:24] <hydrogen> wasn't sure how the kubuntu packages did it
[05:26] <Some_Person> here is the script i've used in the past (with kde3), can anyone say if it'll work for kde4? http://zelut.org/projects/misc/menu-cleaner.sh
[05:26] <hydrogen> kde4 is freedesktop compliant
[05:26] <virtualx> DreadKnight: thanks...
[05:26] <hydrogen> but I'm not sure how that will effect your script Some_Person
[05:26] <virtualx> I'm gonna give this a shot...
[05:26] <hydrogen> I don't know enough about the menuing system to guess :)
[05:27] <Some_Person> script just removes kde apps from gnome and gnome apps from kde (which i really want(
[05:27] <hydrogen> right, but it comes down to how does it detect it
[05:27] <Sylphid> anyone?
[05:27] <Some_Person> the 2 relevent lines of code:
[05:27] <Some_Person> cd /usr/share/applications/kde/
[05:27] <Some_Person> for i in *; do echo "OnlyShowIn=KDE" >> $i; done &>/dev/null
[05:28] <hydrogen> the location may have changed
[05:28] <hydrogen> kde4 might be installed somewhere different
[05:28] <inaety> I have the flash plugin installed however flash doesn't work with konqueror4
[05:29] <biovore> yeah.. konqueror4 has some work to do do
[05:29] <jayohen> sub[t]rnl: hey are you there
[05:29] <inaety> biovore: is that a known bug?
[05:29] <jayohen> sub[t]rnl: i really need help
[05:29] <biovore> yes.. havn't done any of the netscape wrapper stuff yet..
[05:30] <inaety> biovore: the konqueror-nsplugin? it does nothing...all that happens is an annoying box pops up
[05:30] <biovore> well.. let me check..  I havn't tried with the new deb's
[05:30] <inaety> are there new ones as of less than 24 hours ago?
[05:30] <anubis_> still stuck in 800x600
[05:30] <anubis_> weird
[05:30] <anderson> someone have a problem with brightness control (fn+F4:F5 keys) in kubuntu 7.10... can i fix this?
[05:30] <anubis_> my fonts are anti-aliased and nice
[05:31] <sfears> how do you move an entire directory
[05:31] <anubis_> but stuck in the 800x600, should I enable the 96dpi force from the kde settings menu?
[05:31] <jayohen> everytime i restart my computer it goes to a black screen with a white line blinking in the top left corner (this is after boot after grub and loading screen this happens right before the login screen) please help ill greatly appreciate it
[05:31] <sfears> sudo mv /tmp /home && ln -s /home/tmp /tmp
[05:31] <sfears> gives me an error about /tmp being a directory
[05:31] <biovore> actualy.. flash is working here with the kubuntu kde4 stufff
[05:31] <inaety> biovore: i'm sorry?
[05:32] <anubis_> I don't know where its getting these settings from, because my xorg.conf telling it nothing like this?
[05:32] <keesercc> does anyone here have experience with crontab?
[05:32] <anderson> i need help!!
[05:32] <biovore> I have used it..  Not lately though..
[05:32] <alex__> мать вашу есть кто то из России?
[05:33] <inaety> biovore: nevermind about flash...have you installed okular? i get this when i try http://pastebin.com/m3ec23571
[05:34] <jayohen> everytime i restart my computer it goes to a black screen with a white line blinking in the top left corner (this is after boot after grub and loading screen this happens right before the login screen) please help ill greatly appreciate it
[05:34] <andersonflas> flash dont work with konqueror
[05:34] <biovore> nope.. I havn't messede with okular.
[05:34] <biovore> flash is working here in konqueror
[05:35] <andersonflas> sry...
[05:35] <flamesage> How did you get flash working biovore?
[05:35] <andersonflas> flash dont work pretty good in konqueror
[05:35] <flamesage> ... what?
[05:35] <inaety> biovore: what did you install
[05:35] <andersonflas> install firefox...
[05:35] <biovore> yeah flash crashes alot
[05:35] <flamesage> Speak proper english.
[05:35] <flamesage> Oh ok.
[05:35] <andersonflas> sry
[05:35] <flamesage> I just use firefox :)
[05:35] <biovore> !flash
[05:35] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:35] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[05:35] <biovore> ^ did a manual install
[05:35] <flamesage> I know ubotu!  Shut up!
[05:35] <flamesage> :P
[05:36] <biovore> then tell konqueror to scan for plugins
[05:36]  * Some_Person kills ubotu
[05:36] <flamesage> me smacks ubotu
[05:36]  * flamesage smacks ubotu
[05:36] <inaety> i also pointed konqueror to a directory i made with the tar from adobe
[05:36] <biovore> need to have the netscape plugin wrapper thing..
[05:36] <flamesage> !wine
[05:36] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[05:36] <flamesage> Hmm
[05:36] <biovore> the tar is like a zip.. you need to extract it and take the .so file and place it into ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:36] <jayohen> !help
[05:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:36] <flamesage> Has anyone tried Office 2003 or Counter Strike / HL2 with the new version of WINE?
[05:37] <jayohen> everytime i restart my computer it goes to a black screen with a white line blinking in the top left corner (this is after boot after grub and loading screen this happens right before the login screen) please help ill greatly appreciate it
[05:37] <inaety> biovore: i extracted it to ~/.flash and just had konqueror go to that directory
[05:37] <inaety> but ill install nsplugins too
[05:37] <anubis_> if Icould get outta this 800x600, I could actually use the desktop again
[05:38] <biovore> sudo apt-get install nspluginwrapper
[05:38] <Unferth> what command should I run to install kde4?
[05:38] <inaety> biovore: do i need konqueror-nsplugins?
[05:38] <jayohen> am i being ignored?
[05:38] <Cthuloid> jayohen, I had that issue. I had to change what resolution grub was setting my console to start at.
[05:38] <biovore> I have it installed here as well
[05:39] <andersonflas> someone has with control of the brightness of notebook?
[05:39] <jayohen> Cthuloid: its worked for like 6 months until now?
[05:39] <inaety> biovore: i dont have that package in my repos
[05:39] <andersonflas> someone has problems with control of the brightness of notebook?
[05:40] <jayohen> Cthuloid: i need to know where the tty's are located so i can mv tty3.bak tty3 and so on
[05:40] <jayohen> Cthuloid: maybe you could look for my problem on google for me please? im in recovery mode right now and im in irssi
[05:41] <biovore> inaety: probably don't have the correct repo to get it.. packages.ubuntu.com claims its in (util) repo..
[05:41] <hongman> oh no
[05:41] <flamesage> Any cool looking wallpapers you guys suggest?
[05:41] <hongman> i didn't get my daily snack
[05:42] <biovore> inaety: Probably need multiverse and universe repos enabled
[05:42] <hongman> anyways, guys what's the difference between kubuntu and xubuntu?
[05:42] <biovore> kde vs xfce4
[05:42] <biovore> gui interface that running by default..
[05:42] <inaety> biovore: i might have forgotten to enable those
[05:43] <jayohen> can somebody look up my problem on google for me
[05:43] <Cthuloid> One second jayohen while I look something up.
[05:43] <jayohen> Cthuloid: thanks
[05:43] <flamesage> !wallpaper
[05:43] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:43] <inaety> biovore: are you running amd64
[05:44] <anubis_> http://pastebin.com/d6640632c
[05:44] <biovore> inaety: yes
[05:44] <virtualx> anyone know how to hide the plasma bar (kicker) in KDE4 ??
[05:44] <hydrogen> virtualx: I told you that above..
[05:44] <jayohen> flamesage: love how you get ignored?
[05:45] <anubis_> http://pastebin.com/d6640632c
[05:45] <inaety> biovore: they dont have an i686 download which i guess is why i can't apt-get it
[05:45] <anubis_> I'm stuck with 800x600
[05:45] <Cthuloid> jayohen, could you check your grub menu.lst for me?
[05:45] <jayohen> Cthuloid: for what?
[05:45] <anubis_> same xorg.conf works fine with gnome
[05:45] <anubis_> xfce etc
[05:45] <biovore> inaety: Its installed on my x86 box as well..
[05:46] <virtualx> anyone know how to hide the plasma bar (kicker) in KDE4 ??
[05:46] <inaety> biovore: what the heck...should i just try the amd one
[05:46] <hydrogen> stop spamming and start paying attention
[05:46] <Cthuloid> On the default boot option, the kernel line, anything that is like "vga=" some number
[05:46] <sfears> will ln-s /home/tmp /tmp cause the /tmp folder to be the symlink? or do i have that backwards?
[05:46] <hydrogen> you need to delete anything in plasma-appletsrc that refers to Containments[2]
[05:46] <jayohen> Cthuloid: what number should it be?
[05:46] <hydrogen> thats backwards sfears
[05:46] <biovore> inaety: you on gusty?
[05:47] <jayohen> where is grub located
[05:47] <hydrogen> its ln -s SOURCE DESTIONATION
[05:47] <inaety> biovore: yep
[05:47] <Cthuloid> /boot/grub/
[05:47] <jayohen> Cthuloid: ok hold on
[05:47] <jayohen> brb
[05:47] <biovore> inaety: you have "gusty-updates" repo inabled?
[05:48] <biovore> also don't forget to "sudo apt-get update" if you change apt's settings
[05:48] <inaety> yes for universe and multiverse
[05:48] <inaety> the only thing i dont have are backports
[05:48] <Sylphid> just installed kde4 and i have a volume box stuck in the middle of my screen .. anyone know how to get rid of it?
[05:49] <biovore> inaety: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe <-- you have that line?
[05:49] <sfears> is it the display for turning the volume up & down Sylphid?
[05:49] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4
[05:50] <sfears> mabey for some reason the screen isn't refreshing?
[05:50] <sfears> maybe*
[05:50] <Sylphid> sfears: its not part of kmix
[05:50] <Sylphid> sfears: im not sure what it is
[05:50] <virtualx> hydrogen - I do, but all the setings are restored upon login
[05:50] <inaety> yes and the same but for deb-src, biovore
[05:50] <virtualx> :(
[05:51] <sfears> do you have volume buttons on you keyboard.. and when you press them does the volume box update?
[05:51] <hydrogen> virtualx: you need to do it while plasma isn't running
[05:51] <hydrogen> it saves settings on exit
[05:51] <biovore> inaety: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/utils/konqueror-nsplugins
[05:51] <console_jockey> I've been having some trouble playing mp3's on my kubuntu gutsy install.  I removed and reinstall a number of packages in an attempt to fix the problem and now, sadly, I still can't play mp3 and my kaffeine player doesnt play mpg's.  any ideas?
[05:51] <hydrogen> so you can try kquitapp plasma from konsole
[05:51] <hydrogen> you may have to do it twice, as it trys to autorestart itself once
[05:51] <virtualx> hydrogen:  thanks... I guess I should of thougt of that...
[05:51] <Sylphid> sfears: yes i have them but it does not change the screen (the buttons are function keys not seperate)
[05:52] <hydrogen> once its gone, edit the file
[05:52] <hydrogen> then run plasma
[05:52] <inaety> biovore: i already install konqueror-nsplugins. you wanted me to install nspluginwrapper
[05:52] <virtualx> thanks
[05:52] <biovore> inaety: I have them both
[05:52] <sfears> is it only on the desktop or does it show up on top of other windows you have open?
[05:52] <jayohen> Cthuloid: its vga=795
[05:53] <Sylphid> sfears: its always on top of every window
[05:53] <inaety> biovore: the nspluginwrapper is designed for amd systems to recognise x86 plugins
[05:53] <Cthuloid> When I had this issue, I had to remove that part so there is no mention of vga anything. Then ran sudo grub-install /dev/hda and rebooted
[05:53] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[05:53] <biovore> oinaety: k..  My x86 only has konqueror-nsplugin
[05:54] <jayohen> Cthuloid: but what will that do?
[05:54] <inaety> biovore: yeah
[05:54] <biovore> so porbably don't need it then..
[05:54] <inaety> biovore: yeah but the nsplugins don't work
[05:54] <biovore> flash working in firefox?
[05:54] <inaety> nor does a direct folder with the so nor the firefox directory
[05:54] <inaety> firefox works
[05:54] <biovore> ok..
[05:55] <inaety> should i file a bug report?
[05:55] <Cthuloid> As I understand it, that is the resolution Grub tries to run your console at. By removing it, grub runs the console at the lowest safe resoltion.
[05:55] <jayohen> Cthuloid: what happens if i jsut remove the vga=795 and try to start up what will happen?
[05:55] <Cthuloid> It doesn't affect the X resoltion, just when on a virtual console.
[05:55] <biovore> then open up konqueror and goto | Settings | Configure Konqueror | and select plugins from the side menu
[05:56] <jayohen> Cthuloid: will my computer work if i do that?
[05:56] <jayohen> ill try it
[05:56] <reeeh2000> hi all, just upgraded to kde4, but having problems getting the  kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 package to install
[05:56] <biovore> you see anything for application/x-shockwave-flash ?
[05:56] <inaety> biovore: yes a mime type
[05:58] <russell__> anyone interested in helping a noob configure wireless?
[05:59] <dsmith> anyone here use envy?
[05:59] <inaety> biovore: egh sorry my X like died.  and now my panel isn't showing up
[05:59]  * dsmith prays russell is not using broadcom
[06:00] <russell__> nope, atheros
[06:00] <russell__> works on livecd, not on install
[06:00] <sonoftheclayr> russell__: atheros is easy. install linux-restricted-modules
[06:00] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: omg i love you
[06:00] <dsmith> hmmm I ran across one of those
[06:00] <Cthuloid> It worked then Jay?
[06:00] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: yes i didnt have to do the grub install part
[06:01] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: why do they even have that option there if its not going to work anyways
[06:01] <inaety> how can i get the panel to show up? i don't know what it is called anymore...it was kicker
[06:01] <biovore> inaety: well welcome to beta ware..
[06:01] <Cthuloid> I think its a bug in the current version of grub, I found the solution originally in a bug report.
[06:01] <biovore> its plasma in kde4
[06:01] <biovore> expect lots of crashing with kde4
[06:01] <inaety> biovore: well iactually tried to set my font anti-aliasing but it made me have to restart it
[06:01] <dsmith> so how is kde4?
[06:01] <inaety> :P
[06:02] <intelikey> everything is a plasma in kde4 isn't it ?
[06:02] <biovore> buggy still..
[06:02] <biovore> looks pritty though..
[06:02] <inaety> biovore: how does the panel actually show up
[06:02] <dsmith> ahhh ok, I just d'ld an iso of it
[06:02] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody help me with gaim not making any sounds when i get ims from people
[06:02] <dsmith> I'll use the liveCD thank you
[06:02] <inaety> i like the new Kopete even though it isnt 1.00
[06:02] <Cthuloid> Speaking of KDE4, anyone else having extremely poor performance with it, even with affects turned off?
[06:02] <biovore> not sure.. its worked very time I need to use it here..  the kicker is now call plasma or something..
[06:02] <reeeh2000> hi all, just upgraded to kde4, but having problems getting the  kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 package to install, here is terminal output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51636/
[06:03] <inaety> Cthuloid: a lot needs to get worked on...but its sick
[06:03] <inaety> biovore: yeah but i can't alt+f2 plasma
[06:03] <posingaspopular> i have a problem with kde4 (which rocks)
[06:03] <posingaspopular> pidgin starts, then dies
[06:03] <posingaspopular> anyone can help
[06:03] <inaety> brb going to kde3
[06:04] <Sylphid> sfears: any ideas?
[06:04] <posingaspopular> also, it makes noises when it switches between applications, how to remove?
[06:04] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: neways thanks man hats off to you
[06:04] <Cthuloid> Glad to help Jay
[06:04] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: in kde4 i had extremely slow preformance
[06:04] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: are you talking about live cd tho?
[06:05] <Cthuloid> No, installed from the repos
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: are you on konversation
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[06:05] <Cthuloid> irssi via konsole
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> can you type /sysinfo
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> Sysinfo for 'Scrap-me': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2100 MHz (4204 bogomips), , RAM: 400/1011MB, 97 proc's, 8.0min up
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> then copy it for me and paste it here
[06:05] <inaety> biovore: have you ever noticed that the #kubuntu message says the flash plugin is broken...
[06:06] <biovore> yup
[06:06] <inaety> biovore: i didn't realize.
[06:06] <biovore> the plug and play deb package is busted.. have to manualy install
[06:06] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: aye do you think you could help me with konq? getting it working for me?
[06:06] <inaety> do you find it trouble doing easy things on the desktop in kde4? like creating a new folder
[06:06] <biovore> konqueror on kde4?
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: its easy top left add widget and new folder?
[06:07] <mitch_> Anyone know how to resize the panel in KDE 4?
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: no on kde3
[06:07] <russell__> sonofclayr: i think i already have them installed...
[06:07] <biovore> flash on konqueror?
[06:07] <inaety> Jay-Oh-En: is it? idk these new gadgets
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: no like pretty much everything
[06:07] <biovore> 32bit or 64bit.
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: yeah i think so i wass only in the live cd for a minute tho
[06:08] <Cthuloid> Actully, I think I need to get to bed. To much playing with shiny KDE4 for one day.
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: 32bit
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: yeah you should go back to kde3 and wait for kde4.1
[06:08] <biovore> yup.. what I think as well..
[06:08] <biovore> kde4 won't be usable for probably 8 months still..
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> im guessing
[06:08] <inaety> it's still fun
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> but probally longer
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: fun trying to fix things i guess
[06:09] <biovore> yeah.. open source project have no deadlines.. there ready when there ready
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: atleast it gives you something to do
[06:09] <inaety> it's usable now, but really unstable
[06:09] <ubuntu_> what is this?
[06:09] <biovore> kde4..
[06:09] <inaety> you could still do normal things but not much else
[06:09] <mitch_> Possible to use oxygen theme in KDE 3 if KDE 4.0 is installed?
[06:09] <ubuntu_> I just used a kubuntu live cd!!
[06:09] <ubuntu_> was checking it oit!!
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: im going to stay with kde3 until kde5 or so
[06:09] <inaety> the embedded hardware accelerated graphics needs about two years
[06:10] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me
[06:10] <ubuntu_> ?
[06:10] <inaety> Jay-Oh-En: that will be in like 2012
[06:10] <biovore> inaety: naw.. that needs help form the venders..
[06:10] <inaety> biovore: venders?
[06:10] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: probally but if you had my desktop you would be happy , do you wanna see it?
[06:10] <inaety> sure
[06:11] <biovore> inaety: the people that make the hardware to do the graphics..
[06:11] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: so about konq?
[06:11] <inaety> wtf @ ubuntu_
[06:11] <biovore> alot of that stuff is closed
[06:11] <biovore> Jay-Oh-En: what problem you tring to solve..
[06:11] <Sylphid> just installed kde4 and i have a volume box stuck in the middle of my screen .. anyone know how to get rid of it?
[06:11] <inaety> biovore: oh yeah but the drivers are good enough...and you can agree that kde needs to fix some more of it
[06:12] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: not a problem really just trying to get it going fast (cause my ff is faster than it) also like plugins and getting pages to look normal
[06:12] <Pensador> hello
[06:12] <inaety> Sylphid: you can try to go into ksysguard and kill the volume manager...i forget the process name
[06:12] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop2.png inaety
[06:12] <Pensador> Just a small question... is it possible to tell Kopete to automatically save a log of every conversation we have? If so, how?
[06:13] <biovore> inaety: we can only make drivers are written by people in there basements based on what little info we can get.. things like sound/3D graphics/wireless networking have issues because only the maunfacture knows how to write a good driver for linux.. and many don't.
[06:13] <inaety> biovore: that's true
[06:13] <flamesage> How do I join a AIM chat in Kopete?
[06:13] <inaety> Jay-Oh-En: looks nice
[06:13] <inaety> mine's a little more simple
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: yeah that took me one day to make mine like that but it helps me get the jub done
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> job
[06:14] <biovore> Jay-Oh-En: well alot of pages arn't css2 complient..  there built to make IE people happy.. so it looks like crud on konqueror sometimes..
[06:14] <inaety> yeah
[06:14] <inaety> i gotta go guys, sleep tight
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> buy
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> bye
[06:14] <Pensador> bye....
[06:14] <anubis_> does anyone have the wiki kwin and nvidia composite page link handy?
[06:14] <inaety> !nvidia
[06:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:15] <flamesage> Is there a way to join chats in kopete?
[06:15] <inaety> !compiz-fusion