[02:24] <bkerensa> oppan jono style ;)
[02:24] <jono> bkerensa, lol
[02:24] <jono> bkerensa, so dude, you in for the cook off?
[02:25] <jono> would be fun to smoke some ribs together
[02:25] <bkerensa> jono: i cant possibly... but I will use BBQpad.... I just got four new client projects this week and have deadlines =/
[02:25] <jono> bkerensa, I am gonna be announcing it soon, and would be cool if you can join
[02:25] <jono> bkerensa, ahhhh no worries, man :-)
[02:38] <vibhav> bkerensa: haha
[07:07] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:07] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:15] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: hey, bobweaver is going to do a 4h session on saturday, on how to write apps for phone, tablet and tv, maybe we want to spread that
[07:21] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, ack. Thanks for the heads up!
[08:15] <dholbach> dpm, I think most people can't use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - maybe we should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs instead?
[08:16] <dpm> dholbach, whatever you think it's best, yes. I added a link simply because we said "file bugs against Ubuntu" without pointing people at how to actually do it
[08:17] <dholbach> yeah
[08:17] <dholbach> I'll also include the disclaimer in a few other places
[08:17] <dholbach> good thinking
[08:18] <elfy> dholbach: just from a more or less non-tech point of view and not knowing what you're talking about
[08:19] <dholbach> elfy, we're looking into the wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch pages right now
[08:19] <elfy> if I was told to read either of those pages before reporting a bug (something I might not have done ever before) then I'd wander off and not bother
[08:19] <dholbach> right
[08:20] <elfy> perhaps I'm just more used to the 'how do I turn this thing on' type of people :)
[08:22] <dholbach> if you think there's a better way to explain how to file a bug - I'm sure nobody will mind if you update the wiki
[08:22] <elfy> I might try and do a simpler version
[08:22] <dholbach> not sure if you were saying that it'd be better if people could file bugs in LP directly, but the problem was that we got a gazillion of useless bug reports before, ie "does not work" (without any indication of what the package was, which version, etc.), this meant that we had to do lots of bug triage ping pong before eventually closing the bug... which is why we moved to "ubuntu-bug"
[08:22] <elfy> but I'm not complaining as such - just saying
[08:23] <dholbach> good good :)
[08:23] <elfy> dholbach: I understand that :)
[08:23] <elfy> tricky path to walk that one is
[08:23] <dholbach> yes, it is
[08:23] <elfy> and I'm absolutely not saying lets fill LP with it doesn't work bugs :)
[08:25] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, I'm off now, but will be back 15-30 mins before the hangout just in case
[08:25] <dholbach> oh man, I remember those days - seb128 was constantly hassling me to do more bug triage
[08:25] <dholbach> and I had hundreds of new mails every single day
[08:25] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, perfect - thanks a lot!
[08:25] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[08:25] <elfy> dholbach: I've nothing but respect for people who do bug stuff :)
[08:26] <dholbach> me too
[08:26] <elfy> mostly :p
[12:16] <dholbach> dpm: do you have time for a quick hangout?
[12:16] <dpm> dholbach, sure, give me 5
[12:17] <dholbach> great
[12:22] <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3d773b1ac71edc4f0c2a7c0e297845db10667ded?authuser=0&hl=de
[12:23] <dpm> dholbach, coming, just 2 minutes more
[12:25] <vibhav> Wow
[12:25] <vibhav> QML is a beauty
[12:26] <vibhav> You guys made a great choice
[12:49] <dpm> vibhav, indeed, I love QML too
[12:49] <dpm> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/190nwn/taking_ubuntu_touch_developer_preview_to_new/
[12:50] <dpm> help us upvoting, folks. Thanks!
[12:51]  * popey upboats
[13:43] <dpm> dholbach, and smartboyhw wins the price for the first image being added as WIP on the devices list :)
[13:43] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[13:43] <smartboyhw> dpm, LOL (I need testers for that, my Android device is a damning ARMv6)
[13:43] <smartboyhw> .....
[13:45] <dpm> smartboyhw, awesome. How are you getting on? Is the porting guide clear enough? Let us know if it needs any improvements and how it works for you
[13:45] <smartboyhw> dpm, OK I am getting it anyway:)
[13:46] <dpm> great
[13:47] <dpm> dholbach, here's another one: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/39299-romwip-ubuntu-touch-on-d2vzw-dev-previewphantom-022213/
[13:48] <dpm> ah, that's the one you already pointed me too
[13:49] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:10] <dholbach> NICE
[14:11] <smartboyhw> dholbach, LOL
[14:14] <SergioMeneses> hi all
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Hello SergioMeneses
[14:16] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, btw congratulations about your ubuntu membership
[14:16] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, thanks:)
[14:22] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, hi! is this real? Help with adding our LoCo to the Portal
[14:23] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: The Mars Loco?
[14:24] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, yes, :S
[14:24] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: actually, even I don't have an idea. Randall Ross told me that we could work to get it on the team portal. Maybe you could add to the Locos belonging to no country
[14:24] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, what's the Mars LoCo!!?!?!?!!?!?!??!?
[14:24] <vibhav> The Mars loco was never my idea :|
[14:24] <vibhav> smartboyhw: a joke
[14:24] <smartboyhw> vibhav, lol
[14:25] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, ok ok let me see... :)
[14:26] <vibhav> I am in an awkward position, maybe a should hand over the team leader to somebody else taking it seriously
[14:26] <vibhav> Leadership *
[14:26] <smartboyhw> vibhav, where's the team link? LOL
[14:27] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, :O
[14:28] <vibhav> smartboyhw: dine be mad at me :) https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mars
[14:28] <vibhav> Don't*
[14:29] <smartboyhw> vibhav, LOL
[14:37] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, is it awake o clock over there already? :)
[14:40] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: I've handed over the team leadership to Randall Ross, maybe you could talk with him :)
[14:43] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, Joseph Liau sent us the email, we're going to answer it as soon as possible
[14:43] <vibhav> Nice
[14:43] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: the team was always a joke
[14:43] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, I don't think your leadership was a problem
[14:43] <vibhav> Just like ubuntu-smokers
[14:44] <smartboyhw> vibhav, you really like jokes don't you>
[14:44] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, it is not a big deal, dont worry
[14:44] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, lol
[14:44] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:44] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: I hope I've not upset the Loco council
[14:45] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: Maybe Randall could eventually bring the loco some publicity
[14:45] <vibhav> After all, he is the "Ubuntu Buzz Generator"
[14:46] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, lol... upset? jejeje
[14:46] <SergioMeneses> Ubuntu Buzz Generator, :O
[14:46] <vibhav> smartboyhw: I like jokes, but not when they unnecessarily trouble other people
[14:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:47] <vibhav> After all, we are building an operating system.
[14:48] <vibhav> And if there re Martians out there, they might be using something already more superior than Linux
[14:48] <vibhav> :)
[14:48] <smartboyhw> vibhav, /me agrees
[14:49] <SergioMeneses> ok guys I have to go
[14:49] <SergioMeneses> see you later smartboyhw vibhav
[14:49] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, see ya
[15:16] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I was awake, but had some connectivity problems
[15:17] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, want to join in or relay questions or anything? I can do it too
[15:17] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: if you give me a min
[15:17] <dholbach> sure, take your time - I'm still asking questions :)
[15:23] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: ok, I'm ready for questions time
[15:25] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, invited you
[15:25] <ejat> see ya SergioMenesesAFK
[16:36] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I updated the kernel and not the G+ plugin that day, maybe that's the problem?
[16:36] <dholbach> no idea
[16:37] <dholbach> I think I updated everything
[16:37] <dholbach> and restarted
[16:38] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm seeing the update list right now, and only thing I installed (updated) that day is the kernel, will try rebooting with another kernel for the hangout we have later on
[17:30] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm, dholbach: hey guys, would any of you mind doing a blog post about tomorrow's hangout?
[17:31] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I'm trying to finish my day right now :-/
[17:31] <JoseeAntonioR> np then
[17:47] <dholbach> all right my friends - I've got to run - have a great weekend!
[19:09] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: ping
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: pong
[19:09] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: can you hang out in #ubuntu-website  - mhall119 is going to try to help you (hopefully soon) with your import issue
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, but bare in mind I have a hangout (with him and Randall Ross) in about 35mins
[19:10] <cjohnston> thats fine. I don't know that it would be bfore that anyway
[19:10] <mhall119> oh right, forgot about that
[19:10] <cjohnston> maybe you can fix it on the hangout ;-)
[20:07] <komputes> I had an idea of having an Ubuntu LDAP directory for Ubuntu members like Debian has with db.debian.org
[20:08] <komputes> It would be great if it pulled information from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+members#active
[20:26] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: hey, I don't know if you're available right now, but we're having a hangout on global jams, and would love to hear from you on how to help with QA
[20:27] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, ohh really?
[20:28] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: yep! still 30mins to go :)
[20:28] <JoseeAntonioR> want to pitch in?
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: coming in?
[20:35] <balloons> trying to eat
[20:35] <balloons> lol
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[20:35] <balloons> almost done
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> ok
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> let me know
[20:35] <balloons> you can send me the invite
[20:36] <JoseeAntonioR> done
[20:41] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, sorry g+ hates me
[20:41] <balloons> bah.. I keep dropping
[20:41] <balloons> this might not work
[20:59] <balloons> that was fun.. thanks rrnwexec and JoseeAntonioR
[21:00] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: same here, thanks for the last-minute join!
[21:01] <rrnwexec> thanks all. splendid job :)


[00:12] <tomreyn> TJ-: considering that CVE-2013-7445 is known, and exploitation trivial, you could alternatively keep it in the public domain, sending mail to https://oss-security.openwall.org/wiki/mailing-lists/oss-security
[00:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: yes, but giving out a free exploit or triggering interest in it from bad actors is not something I want to doo
[00:13] <TJ-> it's going to take some work to fix the hole
[00:14] <tomreyn> right, i also think the other approach is better
[07:18] <ducasse> good morning
[09:32] <lordievader> Good morning


[00:01]  * asac doesnt use greader
[00:09] <asac> cwong1: ok ... you think you will be able to upload the package with the syspref link today? i uploaded language-pack-gnome-zh and xulrunner-1.9 ... so everything else is ready ;)
[00:10] <cwong1> asac: As soon as I get access to moblin.org, I will do it.  It will be today or early morning for sure.
[00:11] <cwong1> asac: they took my access away temporary :):)
[00:15] <asac> cwong1: right so :-P
[00:15] <asac> good luck ;)
[00:16] <cwong1> I just need a new more secure sshkey... thats all.. :)
[02:29] <saivann> asac : If you're there and that you have time for it, I finished the thunderbird-locales package, see bug #230209
[02:30] <saivann> asac : Otherwise good travel :)
[19:37] <jtv> asac, you in by any chance?
[20:06] <fta> jtv, I guess he's in Prague
[20:16] <jtv> fta: ah yes, thanks.
[21:34] <gnomefre1k> oh good i forgot about UDS that means i can keep busy until im done :)
[21:36] <gnomefreak> ill be here for a little while, i need to check email
[21:36] <fta> :)
[21:36] <gnomefreak> alot of work to be done when your gone for months a ta time
[21:51] <gnomefre1k> damnit
[21:57] <gnomefreak> wtf is going on, has this been happening all day this much?
[21:58] <fta> ?
[21:59] <gnomefreak> the disconnecting from net
[22:00] <fta> no, just now
[22:06] <gnomefreak> hmm
[22:10] <gnomefreak> fta: do you have a upstream tb2 handy?
[22:10] <fta> yes
[22:11] <gnomefreak> can you test the reply-to-list addond with upstream?
[22:11] <gnomefreak> -d
[22:12] <gnomefreak> if not i will get to it but as much input i get the  better i will try it on tb3 if i can since it should work out of box without our patch.
[22:13] <fta> hm, my tb2 is not configured
[22:21] <gnomefreak> fta: make sur eyou ssh key is still on LP page as some of the updates seem to have people removing them again this is #3 for me
[22:39] <fta> i've updated my key on lp (but it was still there)
[22:40] <fta> oh, the one from my laptop is gone
[22:48] <gnomefreak> what is the likely-dup name of tag?
[22:49] <fta> no idea
[22:49] <gnomefreak> the one on tags page is telling me it hasnt been defined but i see asac using it all the time
[22:50] <gnomefreak> sorry typo
[22:50] <gnomefreak> forgot the l
[22:55] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i found your duplicate bug
[22:56] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: bug 190172 is a dup of bug 192888
[23:04] <Jazzva> gnomfreak: Thanks :)
[23:04] <fta> hi Jazzva
[23:05] <Jazzva> Hello, fta :)
[23:05] <fta> Jazzva, are you coming to UDS ?
[23:05] <Jazzva> Wish I could...
[23:05] <Jazzva> Maybe next time :)... If it's not far enough and I have no school work to do :)
[23:06] <fta> oh
[23:07] <Jazzva> bug 137993: I'm thinking of this. If we make browsers Recommends, then mozilla-mplayer will be left installed, if the user removes all browsers, or at least those that support mozilla-mplayer
[23:08] <fta> Jazzva, where are you from ? Serbia ?
[23:09] <Jazzva> In case we leave all supported browser Depends, then we have the problem when some new broswer comes to ubuntu archives (songbird, for example), the user has no supported browsers installed, but songbird, and wants to install mozilla-mplayer. It will force him to install some of the browsers from Depends, until we add the songbird to the Depends. Any thoughts on this?
[23:09] <Jazzva> fta: Yes
[23:09] <fta> ok, looking at gmap, it's not as close that i thought
[23:09] <Jazzva> Heh :)
[23:11] <fta> i've never been to that part of the world (except romania a long time ago)
[23:11] <Jazzva> fta: It's ok, I suppose :). I like it
[23:12] <Jazzva> I have never been to most of the places :). Just a few surrounding countries, and USA...
[23:13] <fta> yeah :) i'm looking at photos (now that gmap has a nice new feature), looks nice
[23:14] <Jazzva> fta: http://picasaweb.google.com/jazzva/Spring08 newer pictures :)
[23:15] <fta> hm, maybe i should post some of my pics one day
[23:16] <Jazzva> I support you in doing that :).
[23:16] <asac> gnomefreak: likely-dup is a tag not specific to ubuntu ... its used to signal that a bug is likely a dupe of some other bug ... but the triager setting the tag doesnt know the id yet
[23:17] <fta> oh, asac
[23:17] <gnomefreak> asac: i got it :)
[23:17] <fta> asac, are you there yet ? :)
[23:17] <gnomefreak> who si CloudFX?
[23:17] <asac> yeah ... i am in praha
[23:17] <gnomefreak> if your here even more helpful
[23:17] <asac> and finall have internet too ;)
[23:17] <Jazzva> asac: Have a good time there :)
[23:17] <gnomefreak> s/si/is
[23:18] <gnomefreak> asac: you happen to know him?
[23:18] <asac> gnomefreak: know who?
[23:18] <asac> ah no idea ... dont know cloudfx
[23:18] <gnomefreak> he closes bug because not enough info doesnt even ask for more info
[23:18] <asac> whats his real name?
[23:18] <gnomefreak> its a dup most likel of compiz/ff greying out
[23:19] <gnomefreak> 1 minute looking
[23:19] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~nick.ellery
[23:19] <gnomefreak> its im assuming nick ellery
[23:19] <asac> no, dont know him
[23:20] <fta> maybe a karma hunter ?
[23:20] <gnomefreak> ok ill keep my eye on bugs with his nick attached due to closing bugs that shoulnt be closed
[23:20] <fta> no idea, really, no offense intended
[23:20] <gnomefreak> fta: maybe but look at teams hes involved in
[23:21] <asac> well, i have no problems with reducing the open bug count ... if he closes good bugs i would be unhappy though ;)
[23:21] <gnomefreak> omg
[23:21] <gnomefreak> im gonna cry
[23:21] <gnomefreak> brb i know what he is doing
[23:21] <asac> but right ... we shouldn't allow bugs to be closed deliberately
[23:22] <gnomefreak> hes trying to lighten a load of bugs
[23:22] <asac> ?
[23:22] <gnomefreak> I highly doubt this is relative to Ubuntu, but did this error occur only
[23:22] <gnomefreak> once, or on numerous occasions?
[23:22] <gnomefreak> could have asked a better question IMHO
[23:22] <gnomefreak> he didnt close that one
[23:23] <gnomefreak> smoke > look at bug report > comment on bug report
[23:27] <fta> asac, is internet connectivity provided at the hotel ? it looks expensive on their website ?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> i think its desktop effects or the theme hes using brb smoke
[23:28] <asac> fta: yes. its free ... had to bug them twice ... but finally its unlocked now. noone else had issues ... so it should be
[23:29] <fta> asac, in each room or only a common place ?
[23:29] <Jazzva> fta, gnomefreak: You going to UDS?
[23:30] <fta> Jazzva, i'm going, saturday
[23:30] <Jazzva> fta: Oh, cool :)
[23:30] <Jazzva> Have fun :)
[23:31] <fta> i hope so, it's my 1st
[23:31] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: nope
[23:32] <gnomefreak> too far and i need to do shuff around here after being gone for as long as i have
[23:32] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Oh well, another time...
[23:32] <gnomefreak> asac: what are you doing at UDS so early?
[23:32]  * gnomefreak forgot it was next week
[23:33] <fta> FOSSCamp
[23:33] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:34] <gnomefreak> shit wrong bug i think :(
[23:35] <asac> yeah ... fosscamp ;)
[23:35] <asac> lets see whats going on tomorrow
[23:37] <asac> fta: no its wired in the room
[23:37] <fta> nice
[23:37] <asac> at the conference location there will be wireless
[23:39] <asac> ... so maybe better to just stay at the room :)
[23:39] <gnomefreak> asac: what is the name of the addon installer? go to youtube get offered to install flash?
[23:40] <gnomefreak> i think he is confusing the 2 install options
[23:40] <asac> there is a plugin finder wizard
[23:40] <asac> and the "Get Extensions" dialog
[23:40] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[23:40] <asac> the confusion is based on the general confusion about the difference of plugins vs. extensions
[23:41] <asac> maybe we should really consider to package all plugins as extensions
[23:41] <asac> and improve the extension dialog
[23:41] <Jazzva> Just a heads up... I'll be a bit busier for the weekend. Finally sat down to write this assembler project I have to do... :)
[23:42] <asac> Jazzva: who asks you do to assembler?
[23:42] <asac> for what?
[23:42] <gnomefreak> asac: get rid of the plugin finder if we can as it tells you flash needs to be installed by manually
[23:42] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... thats a different thing
[23:42] <asac> thats the adobe flash detection kit
[23:42] <Jazzva> asac: The professor that teaches system programming. (Dunno if that's the correct translation of the subject :))
[23:42] <asac> Jazzva: ok :)
[23:43] <asac> what do you do in assembler?
[23:43] <gnomefreak> to use get extensions does it use plugin finder to find what you need to run page? and how does it show up?
[23:43] <Jazzva> We don't program in assembler. We have to write an assembler... basically, a parser that takes input file and makes output file. And it's really the basics. 7 instructions, no macros. That will be second homework, I suppose
[23:43] <asac> gnomefreak: the adobe flash detection kit prevents the plugin finder wizard to pop up and instead sends the user to flash site
[23:43] <asac> asking them to install it manually
[23:43] <gnomefreak> does it prompt without you doing anything
[23:44] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[23:44] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[23:44] <asac> Jazzva: ah ;O)
[23:44] <asac> gnomefreak: i have looked into this and have an idea how to make the flash detection kit void
[23:44] <gnomefreak> good thanks :)
[23:44] <asac> not sure if adobe or mozilla would like that idea ;)
[23:49] <gnomefreak> ok ill change this bug a bit and make it a wishlist for plugin finder since his other problem is not work aroundable that i know of
[23:51] <asac> ok off for today ... feel dizzy and will rather read a book to sleep  :)
[23:51] <Jazzva> good night, asac :)
[23:51] <asac> Jazzva: u2 :)
[23:52] <Jazzva> thx
[23:52] <gnomefreak> bug 212648
[23:52] <gnomefreak> yeah :)