[17:43] <Dug__> hi
[17:43] <Dug__> Is there anyone available who can help with what i think is an Alsa Driver and PulseAudio problem please ? im new to linux and not sure what else i can do to sort my audio problem


[07:41] <ibilalkayy> I sent a PR to adsys repository on GitHub and they were requiring me to sign the CLA. I filled out the form but they are asking me to add the Canonical Project Manager or contact. I don't know what it is and where to find
[09:10] <ibilalkayy> I sent a PR to adsys repository on GitHub and they were requiring me to sign the CLA. I filled out the form but they are asking me to add the Canonical Project Manager or contact. I don't know what it is and where to find.
[13:08] <rbasak> They're gone, but I filed https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu.com/issues/12814
[13:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-motu- Issue 12814 in canonical/ubuntu.com "Contributor agreement form demands 'Canonical Project Manager or contact'" [Open]


[09:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:00] <robotninja> morning
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning robotninja
[10:12] <ed__> ok guys, i have latest xubuntu on cf19 laptop with working sierra wireless 8780 3g /gps card but im not finding the nmea stream that should be on a virtual serial port. i think it should be a virtual tty device. works on xp
[10:12] <ed__> hope im in the right place
[10:25] <ed__> ok guys, i have latest xubuntu on cf19 laptop with working sierra wireless 8780 3g /gps card but im not finding the nmea stream that should be on a virtual serial port. i think it should be a virtual tty device. works on xp
[10:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:52] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:53] <brobostigon> just about*
[10:54] <bigcalm> Blimey, I hadn't even taken notice of the time. It's earlier than I thought
[10:55] <brobostigon> :)
[11:34] <robotninja> Good news: tent has been taken out of the ikea bag I stuffed it in, checked over, and re-packed properly.
[11:34] <robotninja> Bad news: I'm now too tired to go camping tomorrow.
[11:34]  * penguin42 never saw the point of camping - says he sitting next to a nice warm radiator
[11:38] <robotninja> I don't get out camping as much as I'd like, but I'm having a couple of days up in Snowdonia next week. Nice to get away from things.
[11:52] <penguin42> it looks like the latter end of the week has a better chance
[12:31] <Myrtti> < Myrtti> today's experience at Hobbycraft parking lot: for the first time ever I  noticed my phone had 4G. Proceeded to do a speed test - ended up laughing and  crying at the same time because I can get blazing speeds at a parking lot  while the experience at home reminds me of 56K modem times.
[12:34] <penguin42> Myrtti: Next time you're there look around  - you were probably standing below a base station - I mean where better to put a base station than a parking lot
[12:35] <penguin42> Myrtti: and did you rcarrier have a shop in the same shopping area?
[13:16] <daftykins> penguin42: seems you were quite right, though i had a 64KB stripe on my old array and went for a 256KB stripe this time (not sure if it would have any influence) i only saw 120MB/sec copying the data over my data to the new setup D:
[13:17]  * penguin42 admits to not having remembered saying anything about alignment
[13:17] <daftykins> oh no you hadn't, but i had created the new one with said larger stripe and don't know if it factored in
[13:18] <penguin42> ah
[13:18] <daftykins> but given it took about 18hrs to build the RAID5 volume i am not in a hurry to repeat it :D
[13:18] <penguin42> daftykins: Note that if you're stripes go too big then it might hurt you on small writes
[13:18] <daftykins> yep
[13:18] <daftykins> mostly large data on there so shouldn't be a problem
[13:18] <penguin42> nod
[13:19] <daftykins> i've yet to do anything with the disks in either set
[13:19] <daftykins> in fact perhaps that should be a task for today
[13:19] <daftykins> i find it wise not to move too quickly with such things though :) certainly don't have any plans with what to do with the old disks yet!
[20:17] <shauno> I just found John Barrowman in concert on sky arts?  now I remember why I don't watch regular TV often
[21:13] <diddledan_> shauno, is john barrowman in concert a bad thing?
[21:44] <shauno> perhaps "too much of a good thing" is a nice way to put it
[22:27] <ali1234> what's the best way to make python websites these days?
[22:28] <ali1234> i need something extremely minimal. no user logins, and no actual pages. but it does need to be able to store persistent data
[22:28] <ali1234> django seems like overkill for this, and i don't know any others
[23:43] <maps|wrk> hello


[15:00] <ogra_> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  2 15:00:06 2012 UTC.  The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:00] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120202
[15:00] <ogra_> bah
[15:00] <ogra_> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120202
[15:00]  * davidm waves at ogra_
[15:00] <ogra_> hmm, wh doesnt the bot take my link ...
[15:00] <ogra_> anyway
[15:00] <ogra_> everyone here ?
[15:01]  * ogra_ sees them roll in :)
[15:01] <janimo> :)
[15:01] <janimo> I initially logged in to ubuntu-meeting on another server finding the room empty
[15:01] <ogra_> heh
[15:01] <ogra_> convenient
[15:01] <ogra_> hey GrueMaster
[15:02]  * GrueMaster waves
[15:02] <ogra_> so lets get rolling ... mind you my Y key is apparently broken, dont laugh if i type weird things :)
[15:02] <davidm> ogra_, do you need to use the # and not[?
[15:02] <ogra_> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120202
[15:02] <ogra_> nope :)
[15:02] <davidm> Interesting
[15:02] <ogra_> not that important
[15:03] <ogra_> so NCommander isnt around, i'll run the meeting ....
[15:03] <ogra_> Standing Items ...
[15:03] <ogra_> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:03]  * ogra_ waits for GrueMaster running gag ...
[15:04] <GrueMaster> sorry, I was busy testing all the images and gaging on my coffee.
[15:04] <ogra_> we're pretty well under tthe trend line ! (if it would be angled correctly)
[15:05] <ogra_> and ppisati apparently found a fix for the blocker of the "no initrd" spec ... he's my hero of the week !
[15:05] <infinity> Neat.
[15:05] <ppisati> ogra_: wait until you try it out... :)
[15:05] <ogra_> indeed :)
[15:05] <infinity> Of course, unblocking it creates work. ;)
[15:06] <ogra_> mahmoh seems pretty behind (25 WIs, only 2 done) shoudl we ask him if he needs help ?
[15:06] <GrueMaster> I ask every week.
[15:06] <ogra_> (likely due to NCommander assigning the world to him)
[15:06] <ogra_> k
[15:07] <ogra_> nothing else seems to stick out badly atm ...
[15:07] <ogra_> moving on ....
[15:07] <ogra_> [topic] == ARM Server Status (NCommander) ==
[15:07] <ogra_> anyone here who can report about that ?
[15:08]  * ogra_ can say that we have approval to get the unsupported kernel to main to fix our d-i issues
[15:08] <GrueMaster> Image automation is currently stuck due to no initrd generated during install.
[15:08] <ogra_> but we dont have a kernel package yet
[15:08] <GrueMaster> Not an official kernel, no.
[15:09] <ppisati> no initrd generated during install?
[15:09] <ogra_> f-k-i issue
[15:09] <infinity> If we have approval to get it in main, we can tidy up dannf's and JFDI.
[15:09] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Only on the server platform.
[15:09] <ogra_> infinity, feel free if you dont have anything else to do ...
[15:09] <GrueMaster> Not an f-k-i issue.  I have tested it, it does the right thing.
[15:09] <infinity> ogra_: I have lots else to do, but this is important enough to make time.
[15:09] <ogra_> cooloney will do it otherwise ... once he returns from new year drinking :)
[15:10] <ogra_> i know its on his TODO
[15:10] <infinity> ogra_: Since getting the kernel in will cascade into massaging d-i and other bits.
[15:10] <ogra_> right
[15:10] <ogra_> GrueMaster, well, then kernel package postinst ... one for these things :)
[15:10] <GrueMaster> NCommander had a test kernel working based on 3.0 with a minimized patch.  Whittled down the 500k lines to ~15k.
[15:10]  * ahs3 pokes dannf on another channel...and volunteers his time to help with the kernel :)...
[15:11] <infinity> ahs3: That works too.
[15:11] <ogra_> davidm, do you know when cooloney returns ? does it make sense to have infinity look at the kernel ?
[15:11] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:11] <infinity> If dannf can tidy up a kernel package, I'll do the d-i bits.
[15:11] <infinity> And we'll be golden.
[15:11] <ogra_> i guess any preparation work cooloney can get is fine
[15:11] <ogra_> ok
[15:11] <ahs3> infinity: excellent
[15:11] <davidm> Next mondya
[15:12] <infinity> And cooloney can worry about 3.2, which is what he should be doing. :P
[15:12] <ogra_> [action] dannf to tidy up a kernel package
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: dannf to tidy up a kernel package
[15:12] <ogra_> [action] infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i
[15:12] <infinity> Waste of his time to package old kernels anyway.
[15:12] <ogra_> ok, anything else ?
[15:13] <ogra_> movinmg on then
[15:13] <ogra_> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:13] <ppisati> nothing exciting: omap4 1405.7 is finally out
[15:14] <ppisati> and there's a new round of SRUs
[15:14] <GrueMaster> Yea, good timing on that.  :P
[15:14] <ppisati> aprt from that, yesterday i palyed with UUID (aand with GPT + UUID it works)
[15:14] <ogra_> \o/
[15:14] <ppisati> and now i've some stuff in the queue for audio (both omap3 and omap4)
[15:15] <ppisati> that's all from me
[15:15] <ogra_> well, TI says there are fixes in the new tree
[15:15] <ogra_> for omap4 at least
[15:15] <ppisati> ogra_: right, i'll have to try them
[15:15] <infinity> I need to stop getting distracted from other work and test jcrigby's mx5 kernels.
[15:15] <ppisati> btw, audio on beagle has never worked, right?
[15:15] <infinity> s/from/by/
[15:15] <ogra_> ++
[15:15] <GrueMaster> Not since the kernel was from main.
[15:16] <ogra_> infinity, doesnt janimo also have the mx5 ?
[15:16] <ppisati> GrueMaster: k
[15:16] <infinity> ogra_: We all do, don't we?
[15:16] <ogra_> janimo, could you take over that test ?
[15:16] <infinity> janimo: If you have time... What he said.
[15:16] <ogra_> infinity, i dont
[15:16] <GrueMaster> Actually, I should test the mx5 kernel, as I have both old & new platforms.
[15:17]  * ogra_ still recovers from babbages ... still needs another CPU iteration before i can touchj FSL HW again ;)
[15:17] <janimo> I can run the mx5 tests sure
[15:17] <infinity> GrueMaster: You were busy alphaing, which was why I didn't ask earlier.  ;)
[15:17] <janimo> it just seemed everyone was already on the new mx5 kernels :)
[15:17] <ogra_> [action] janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby
[15:17] <meetingology> ACTION: janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby
[15:17] <GrueMaster> Which reminds me, A2 will not run on the new mx53 Quickstart board (Rev R).
[15:18] <infinity> janimo: Err, they were?
[15:18] <ogra_> anthing else ?
[15:18]  * ogra_ counts to three
[15:18] <janimo> infinity, well you and GrueMaster have been talking about the ppa since over a week IIRC
[15:18] <ogra_> moving on ...
[15:18] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:18] <GrueMaster> Talk is easy.  :P
[15:18] <janimo> GrueMaster, mine is rev F so hopefully is still fine. It was last week anyway
[15:19] <ogra_> anyone ?
[15:19] <janimo> the only one I tried fixing is the qtwebkit
[15:19]  * ogra_ didnt look at ftbfs at all this week
[15:19] <infinity> gcl and acl2 got off the FTBFS list this week.  A couple other minor bits and bobs.
[15:19] <ogra_> ay
[15:19] <janimo> but has the same memory exhausted error on my panda as in the buildd
[15:19] <ogra_> yay even
[15:19] <ogra_> bah
[15:19] <infinity> I need to look more deeply into the "mmap" issue, which has nothing at all to do with kernel bugs. :P
[15:19] <janimo> with 8G of swap even
[15:20] <ogra_> use 16 :P
[15:20] <infinity> I'm fairly sure binutils is leaking.
[15:20] <ppisati> well, if your process need more than 3GB, you are screwed
[15:20] <infinity> More swap won't help.
[15:20] <ppisati> you can add as much swap as you want, but it's still 32bits
[15:20]  * ogra_ wasnt serious
[15:20] <ppisati> and with the 3/1 split
[15:20] <ppisati> 3GB is for userspace
[15:20] <infinity> Anyhow, powerpc is a 2/2 split, and it doesn't fail in the same places.
[15:21] <infinity> binutils is pretty clearly doing something Very Bad on ARM.
[15:21] <ppisati> ok
[15:21] <infinity> (ppc32 having a 2/2 split is a bug, mind you, which I should file...)
[15:21] <GrueMaster> Someone also should look at bug 925246.  Only fails (repeatedly) on armhf panda.
[15:21] <ogra_> so its all doko's fault anyway
[15:21] <ppisati> infinity: wait
[15:21] <ppisati> infinity: did you have the same bug with 1405 too?
[15:22] <ppisati> s/did/do/
[15:22] <infinity> ppisati: 3.2.0-1405-omap4 <-- Still exists on that kernel.
[15:22] <ppisati> infinity: ok
[15:22] <infinity> ppisati: Err, by "bug", we mean binutils exhausting RAM.  The 2/2 -> 3/1 thing is fixed.
[15:22] <ppisati> infinity: i see
[15:23] <infinity> So, binutils just eats 3G instead of 2G now. :P
[15:23] <infinity> Not really progress.
[15:23] <ppisati> hungry toolchain :)
[15:23] <infinity> Anyhow.  Needs more investigation and round tuits.
[15:24] <ogra_> right
[15:24] <infinity> I might end up delaying other things I'm doing to just make it happen, since it's now causing failures in main.
[15:24] <GrueMaster> heh.
[15:24] <ppisati> infinity: is there a way to reproduce it?
[15:24] <infinity> ppisati: Build qtwebkit-source or haskell-src-exts.
[15:24] <infinity> ppisati: Wait patiently.
[15:24] <ppisati> infinity: how long does it take?
[15:24] <ogra_> reall patiently
[15:24] <infinity> ppisati: And once you have a failed tree, you can just re-run the last line over and over. :P
[15:25] <janimo> infinity, is this a bug acked by Linaro too?
[15:25] <infinity> ppisati: It takes ~4h to fail the first time, after that, it's maybe 10m to fail the link over and over?
[15:25] <janimo> and the last line failing takes an hour or more IIRC :)
[15:25] <ogra_> we can ask rsalveti when he's up :)
[15:25] <infinity> janimo: Nah, it's nowhere near an hour, if you're swapping to disk like a sane person.
[15:26] <janimo> infinity, USB external disk yes. I remember going away and finding Qt still linking after a loong time
[15:26] <janimo> will time it, I stil have the tree around I think
[15:26]  * infinity times it right now.
[15:27] <infinity> Anyhow.
[15:27] <infinity> Moving on?
[15:27] <ogra_> yep, wanted to wait until you guys are done :)
[15:27] <janimo> :)
[15:27] <infinity> janimo: Oh, and no, I haven't gotten around to filing a bug and involving Linaro, because "binutils sucks" is more of a guess than something I've confirmed, so far.
[15:28] <janimo> ah ok
[15:28] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:28] <ogra_> err
[15:28] <ogra_> sorry
[15:28] <infinity> This seems familiar.
[15:28] <ogra_> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:29] <ogra_> nothing to report, we're ready for A2
[15:29] <ogra_> anyone ... anything ?
[15:29] <ogra_> oh, one thing
[15:29] <infinity> Nope.
[15:29] <GrueMaster> All images tested and no major show stoppers.
[15:29] <infinity> Yup?
[15:29] <ogra_> doesn anyone know who enabled d-i server images ?
[15:29] <GrueMaster> ???
[15:29] <infinity> Looking at /etc/default-arches, they've been enabled for ages.
[15:30] <ogra_> we seem to have built normal alternate server dailies for a while
[15:30] <infinity> And no one noticed.
[15:30] <ogra_> weird
[15:30] <infinity> Or, people noticed, but no one cared. :P
[15:30] <ogra_> yeah ...
[15:30] <GrueMaster> I downloaded one, will look at it later today.
[15:30] <infinity> I think it's come up before, and we kept forgetting to turn them off.
[15:30] <janimo> disable them and start building omap4 live images in the same time slot :D
[15:30] <infinity> janimo: Uhh.
[15:30] <infinity> janimo: They build in about 3 minutes.
[15:30] <ogra_> well, once the new kernel is around we want them, n o ?
[15:31] <infinity> janimo: Not really the same "time slot". ;)
[15:31] <janimo> well, when I mean time slot, I mean ..... instead :D
[15:31] <GrueMaster> We will want them for the actual server platforms, yes.
[15:31] <ogra_> iirc the target image for that kernel is a server alternate
[15:31] <ogra_> right, so lets just keep them running
[15:31]  * rsalveti waves
[15:31] <ogra_> its not that its a big waste
[15:31] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, we can scrub default-arches and build for just that subarch.
[15:31] <rsalveti> sorry, 2 meetings at the same time :-)
[15:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, take your time, ou're not up yet :)
[15:32] <ogra_> anything else about images ?
[15:32]  * ogra_ moves on then
[15:32] <GrueMaster> On other images, I propose turning off armel on some platforms (omap).
[15:32] <ogra_> that should wait until after FF
[15:33] <ogra_> since we havent actually made the decision yet
[15:33] <ogra_> davidm, opinions ?
[15:33] <davidm> wait until after FF
[15:34] <ogra_> k
[15:34] <ogra_> moving on
[15:34] <davidm> we need to evaluate el vs hf and then shutdown images in the one we are not going to use
[15:34] <ogra_> right, thats what i thought
[15:34] <ogra_> though tobin is drowning in images atm
[15:34] <davidm> from where I'm sitting hf is looking better and better every day
[15:34] <ogra_> yep
[15:35] <ogra_> i also think hf it is :)
[15:35] <davidm> understood, only another week
[15:35] <ogra_> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)
[15:36] <GrueMaster> Lots of milestone testing this week.  All images on all platforms tested.  Minor bugs found, some more annoyances than anything.
[15:36] <infinity> (FF is in two weeks, BTW, not one..)
[15:36] <GrueMaster> No show stopper bugs.
[15:36] <GrueMaster> Also started testing SRU kernel updates (excellent timing).
[15:36] <ogra_> FF is my b-day :)
[15:37]  * ogra_ will tr to get the oem-config preseeding fixed around FF btw
[15:37]  * GrueMaster can't imagine any of ogra_'s features freezing, but it is cold in the EU.
[15:37] <ogra_> i have planned a timeslot for it
[15:37] <ogra_> yeah, -10 °C....
[15:38] <ogra_> not even the cats want to go out
[15:38] <GrueMaster> Good.  That will greatly help automate smoke testing images.
[15:38] <ogra_> anything else apart the weather ?
[15:38]  * ogra_ moves on ...
[15:38] <ogra_> [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti)
[15:39]  * rsalveti waves again :-)
[15:39] <ogra_> :)
[15:39] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/linaro-dev-platform/+milestone/12.02
[15:39] <rsalveti> our planning for this cycle
[15:39] <rsalveti> mostly trying to get things in place, and working on improving the lava usage
[15:39] <rsalveti> for unity, also making sure it's always working
[15:39] <rsalveti> by enabling it by default at our images
[15:39] <ogra_> how about the compiz bits ?
[15:40] <rsalveti> that still something we need to sort out next week
[15:40] <ogra_> we would like them in the archive
[15:40] <rsalveti> at linaro connect
[15:40] <ogra_> k
[15:40] <infinity> rsalveti: Any interest in looking at the binutils memory exhaustion thing? ;)
[15:40] <rsalveti> who is going to connect?
[15:40] <infinity> o/
[15:40] <rsalveti> infinity: bug? :-)
[15:40] <infinity> David and I, I believe.
[15:40] <ogra_> infinity, oh, you go !
[15:40] <infinity> rsalveti: Unfiled so far, was investigating.
[15:40] <ogra_> awesome !
[15:40] <rsalveti> great
[15:40] <infinity> rsalveti: But it's the one people were calling a kernel "mmap" bug until we fixed the kernel and it wasn't. :P
[15:41] <rsalveti> infinity: please check our sessions at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu?searchtext=linaro-platforms-q112
[15:41] <rsalveti> got it :-)
[15:41] <ogra_> is linaro in any way intrested in LibO ?
[15:41] <ogra_> seems NCommander is out for another few days and will then be swamped in ubuntu-server
[15:41] <infinity> rsalveti: Steve and markos already subscribed me to a fair few things, I think, but I'll poke.
[15:41] <ogra_> and we would like to get it fixed
[15:42] <infinity> ogra_: Does NCommander have a working tree he can hand off to someone else?
[15:42] <janimo> ogra_, if NCommander is swamped I can continue with LibO
[15:42] <ogra_> infinity, i have *no* clue at all
[15:42] <ogra_> janimo, that would surely help !
[15:42] <ogra_> [action] janimo to look into LibO
[15:42] <meetingology> ACTION: janimo to look into LibO
[15:42] <davidm> janimo, yes please grab Lib0
[15:42] <janimo> ok
[15:42] <rsalveti> great :-)
[15:43] <GrueMaster> I have his panda he was using to build LibO on.
[15:43] <rsalveti> we can try to have a look at that
[15:43] <rsalveti> it's important for armhf anyway
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah
[15:43] <GrueMaster> janimo: I'll ping you after the meeting with the ipv6 info.
[15:43] <janimo> GrueMaster, I'll ping you once I am at a point that I need his changes, thanks
[15:43] <rsalveti> that's all from my side
[15:43] <janimo> GrueMaster, ok
[15:43] <ogra_> its still a lot time until release... but would be good to finally fix it
[15:43] <rsalveti> sorry, also at another meeting at the phone
[15:43] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:43]  * ogra_ moves on
[15:43] <ogra_> [topic] AOB
[15:43] <infinity> Yeah, plenty of time to release, but I want our armel/armhf decision at feature freeze to be as informed as it can be.
[15:44] <ogra_> anyone ?
[15:44] <ogra_> anything ?
[15:44] <ogra_> seems not ...
[15:45] <ogra_> RAISE YOUR HAND NOW OR STAY SILENT !
[15:45] <ogra_> going once
[15:45] <ogra_> twice
[15:45] <ogra_> adjourned
[15:45] <ogra_> #endmeeting
[15:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  2 15:45:22 2012 UTC.
[15:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-02-15.00.moin.txt
[17:01] <sabdfl> hello all
[17:02] <akgraner> hey sabdfl
[17:03] <dholbach> hey
[17:03] <beuno> o/
[17:04] <dholbach> #startmeeting
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[17:04] <dholbach> so, I just had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:04] <pleia2> o/
[17:04] <dholbach> and it seems we have a chat with the DMB today :)
[17:04] <czajkowski> Aloha
[17:05] <dholbach> bdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, tumbleweed, stgraber: anyone of you around?
[17:05] <micahg> yes
[17:05] <tumbleweed> dholbach: hi
[17:05] <Laney> OH that is TODAY!
[17:05] <YokoZar> excellent
[17:05]  * tumbleweed wa just about to run off :P
[17:05] <dholbach> #topic Meeting the Developer Membership Board
[17:05] <dholbach> how are all of you doing?
[17:06] <Laney> rocking
[17:06] <tumbleweed> today just took a bad turn, personally, an hour ago, but I've been typing hard at a UDW session for an hour, so the adrenaline is there :P
[17:06]  * dholbach hugs tumbleweed :)
[17:06] <tumbleweed> dmb is looking good, I think
[17:06] <dholbach> how do you generally feel is the DMB doing?
[17:07] <dholbach> always on top of things? no backlog building up?
[17:07] <Laney> I think we get by pretty well these days
[17:07] <Laney> we haven't missed a meeting in ages
[17:07]  * stgraber waves
[17:08] <dholbach> I was also under the impression that meetings are now quite regularly - which is great
[17:08]  * Iowan is FC rep - si 2b late
[17:09] <tumbleweed> we've also been talking about things to do to improve the application process
[17:09] <tumbleweed> maybe some self-test questions to let you know if you're ready, but nothing much happening theree atm...
[17:09] <czajkowski> tumbleweed: great to hear
[17:09] <dholbach> tumbleweed, so new applicants have a better idea if they should apply or not?
[17:10] <tumbleweed> dholbach: yeah, and also so they know what we expect all ubuntu developers to do
[17:10] <tumbleweed> (i.e. subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce, understand freezes)
[17:10] <tumbleweed> *e.g.
[17:10] <czajkowski> tumbleweed: do you feel the number of DMB members is enough ?
[17:10] <dholbach> that might indeed work
[17:11] <sabdfl> tumbleweed, aching wrists?
[17:11] <tumbleweed> czajkowski: we've been quorate for the last few months, so yes
[17:11] <tumbleweed> although I did come in as a standin for a missing persia :/
[17:11] <dholbach> the developer advisory team I set up with huats recently started mailing people who had done a lot of great work to offer a bit of support - if we can get any feedback, we could share it with you
[17:11] <czajkowski> tumbleweed: great to hear, that is sometimes an issue for boards. glad the dmb is ok
[17:11] <YokoZar> tumbleweed: Is there anyone (or a lot of anyone)'s that you feel should have been developers long ago but aren't now for some reason?
[17:11] <tumbleweed> sabdfl: hah, actually a death in the family, but nm that right now :)
[17:12] <dholbach> sorry to hear that :-(
[17:12] <Laney> :-(
[17:12] <tumbleweed> YokoZar: hopefully most developers tell people when they should apply
[17:12] <tumbleweed> we had to push jtaylor for months :P
[17:13]  * YokoZar recalls it was debian's developer-membership rigidity that drew him to Ubuntu to begin with, whereas at Ubuntu he was directly asked to join...
[17:13] <dholbach> yes, I hope the d-a-t can help identify cases like that a bit earlier going forward :)
[17:13] <tumbleweed> YokoZar: yeah, ubuntu's open community was a big reason I got drawn in
[17:13] <tumbleweed> (I hardly even run it on any machines...)
[17:14] <dholbach> how much of your work do you feel is directly related to dealing with applications? is there many other things which need discussion or organisation as well?
[17:14] <YokoZar> tumbleweed: That interests me greatly :)  I'm wondering if the next me is out there and if we're doing everything we can to find him and tell him "Hey, this is great, not only will I sponsor your packages but I want you to go through this super easy process and upload them yourself."
[17:15] <tumbleweed> dholbach: hrm, maybe 5-15 mins of each meeting
[17:15] <Laney> I would hope that Debian sponsors are encouraging people to go through NM when they are ready too. Although granted it is a lot more in depth.
[17:16] <tumbleweed> and then there is out-of-meeting stuff, micahg has been doing lots of packageset team structure cleanup
[17:16] <Laney> Also we should discuss whether Ubuntu Contributing Developer is worthwhile.
[17:16] <micahg> Laney: did you mean here or in general?
[17:17] <dholbach> Laney, as far as I recall a lot of RMBs were very happy that there was a board out there which could review development contributions and make a better informed decision about it
[17:17] <Laney> the CC are probably interested in it.
[17:17] <micahg> well, I think it's worthwhile, but should be used sparingly for those who just need to keep the safety net
[17:18] <Laney> yeah, well the problem is we hardly ever get applicants from it and people say that they find it confusing
[17:18] <Laney> s/from/for/
[17:18] <tumbleweed> yes, it probably does sit as an unecessary extra step for many people
[17:18]  * tumbleweed encourages people to bypass it when I think they are ready
[17:18] <micahg> it shouldn't be a step for most people, maybe I can give editing the wiki a shot to make that more clear
[17:19] <dholbach> do you get many applicants for membership?
[17:19] <Laney> I don't get the impression that new developers are bothered about it
[17:19] <Laney> no
[17:19] <tumbleweed> it's been quiet recently
[17:19] <Laney> not that we get many new MOTU at all though
[17:20] <dholbach> I guess there's still a few motu work items from a blueprint :)
[17:20] <Laney> always
[17:20] <tumbleweed> eep
[17:20] <dholbach> which wouldn't instantly solve the problem.... but probably invite some folks again
[17:20] <tumbleweed> yeah, always need more motu
[17:20] <micahg> well, 2 in the last 2 months with another most likely after precise releases
[17:21] <dholbach> is there anything you feel which should be really fixed in the DMB? you all seem to be generally quite happy with how the board is running
[17:21] <czajkowski> Also is there anything the CC can help the DMB with ?
[17:21] <Laney> still, I think I have come to the opinion that it's probably not worth having UCD as a Separate Thing
[17:22]  * tumbleweed had entirely forgotten that this meeting was coming so, nothing on my mind
[17:22] <YokoZar> micahg: Regarding clarifying the wiki, thank you muchly
[17:23] <micahg> Laney: I don't think people should be forced to get upload rights, if someone wants to help, but without getting upload rights, we should be able to recognize that
[17:23] <Laney> when has that ever happened?
[17:24] <tumbleweed> on the other side of the coin, the membership requirements can make it harder for us to give PPU
[17:24] <dholbach> Laney, maybe it'd be an idea to write a blog post explaining what UCD was designed to be and then ask for comments from everyone to get an idea of how many folks would like to go through the process - maybe it's not sufficiently advertised or explained - or maybe there's no interested in it at all
[17:24] <Laney> it creates a lot of confusion for a theoretical possibility that could be handled in some other way (RMBs)
[17:24] <Laney> I've posted to -devel about it before and didn't really see anyone who strongly cares about it
[17:24] <micahg> well, I'm going to try to clear up the confusion on the wiki
[17:25] <Laney> if we really want it just say "We can also award membership without upload rights if you meet the [[general guidelines]]"
[17:25] <Laney> (This is called being a Contributing Developer).
[17:25] <Laney> or something.
[17:26] <dholbach> yeah, that sounds reasonable
[17:26] <tumbleweed> de-emphisising it should remove most of the issues there
[17:26] <Laney> right, bury it
[17:26] <dholbach> anything else on your list of pressing concerns? :)
[17:27] <Laney> if this person ever comes along then someone can tell them that the possibility exists
[17:27] <Laney> well, just the continued absence of persia, but that's not just us :'(
[17:27] <tumbleweed> I seem to recall someone where PPU was clearly grantable, but the person hadn't done much to deserve membership, yet
[17:27] <tumbleweed> but I can't remember offhand
[17:28] <Laney> not sure anyone is unhappy with upload rights implying membership in all cases, even when we perhaps wouldn't grant membership separately
[17:28] <Laney> i'm quite relaxed about that tbh
[17:29] <YokoZar> Yeah that seems reasonable
[17:29] <tumbleweed> yeah, it's not a big issue
[17:29] <dholbach> I didn't run into cases where it would have concerned me
[17:29] <Laney> the CC is aware that all developers are added to ~ubuntu-dev, and that that is in ~ubuntumembers
[17:29] <dholbach> usually there's quite a bit of work involved into understanding the process, learning about all the bits involved, where work is happening, but you can't just see it yet
[17:29] <dholbach> Laney, I am :)
[17:29] <Laney> i am glad that this advisory team effort is happening
[17:30] <Laney> it felt like a bit of an expansion too far to expect the dmb to be responsible for recruitment as well as assessment
[17:30] <dholbach> yes, Christophe and I are going to announce it some time next week and hopefully get a few new contributors to help us out
[17:30] <dholbach> I agree
[17:30] <dholbach> any more questions from the CC?
[17:31] <dholbach> or anything from the DMB members where CC members could help with?
[17:31] <tumbleweed> nope, pub quiz time for me!
[17:31] <micahg> no, I think in the past when we've needed the CC, they've been responsive
[17:32] <dholbach> the only thing on my list is: take a look at the motu blueprint again :)
[17:32] <Laney> which?
[17:33] <dholbach> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-motu-bof
[17:34] <dholbach> but that's unrelated to the general DMB + CC meet-up
[17:34] <dholbach> czajkowski, beuno, Gwaihir, YokoZar, pleia2, akgraner: any more questions from you?
[17:34] <pleia2> no, thanks for coming :)
[17:35] <beuno> nope, all sounds great
[17:35] <akgraner> none from me - thanks for all the information
[17:35] <YokoZar> Thanks for coming :)
[17:35] <Gwaihir> nope, all looks good
[17:35] <czajkowski> no thank it's been really intersting to leanr what ye folks do
[17:35] <dholbach> thanks a lot - and thanks for doing a great job on the DMB!
[17:35] <dholbach> great
[17:36] <dholbach> as far as I can see there's nothing else on the Agenda
[17:36] <dholbach> #topic Other business?
[17:36] <akgraner> Teams page clean-up and CoC 2.0
[17:37] <dholbach> aha!
[17:37] <dholbach> good points
[17:37] <dholbach> #topic Teams page
[17:37] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[17:37] <dholbach> akgraner, want to give an update?
[17:37] <akgraner> sure  - so the link pleia2 just gave is out of date
[17:38] <akgraner> so I started a drafts page #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/draft/Teams
[17:39] <akgraner> I added many of the Canonical lead teams based on the feedback from UDS about people wanting to know how to get in contact with various teams and who lead those teams
[17:39] <YokoZar> Oh, I had a quick update ~ voting software to discuss as well
[17:39] <akgraner> I also found that reporter, approved and approved date didn't mean much to people so I am changing that as well
[17:40] <akgraner> I should have it finished by Saturday for everyone to review and if approved we can change it out and start recommending it again
[17:40] <akgraner> thoughts?
[17:40] <dholbach> maybe a call for review via blog?
[17:41] <dholbach> so folks who never updated their team record can just go ahead and do it?
[17:41] <akgraner> dholbach, I was going to so that once I had the page cleaned up
[17:41] <dholbach> ah, cool
[17:41] <dholbach> sounds good to me then
[17:41] <pleia2> long term, do we have a plan to maintain this?
[17:42] <akgraner> I think we should - someone has to take ownership of it
[17:42] <dholbach> personally I think it'd be good if the job wasn't tied to us specifically :)
[17:42] <dholbach> and teams would just go and update their date
[17:42] <akgraner> but who then?
[17:42] <dholbach> even if it would require us to do some annual poking
[17:42] <akgraner> dholbach, um that didn't work in the past
[17:43] <Gwaihir> just an idea: isn't the IRC column redundant? Since there is no real information about what is the channel, maybe rely only on the team's page?
[17:43] <akgraner> that's how it got this out of date - people add stuff and never go back and look at it
[17:43] <akgraner> it's meant to be a quick level over view
[17:43] <akgraner> maybe that's all they want what channel can this team be found in without going to the team page
[17:44] <akgraner> one click to find all the relative information is what I was thinkingg
[17:44] <akgraner> thinking
[17:44] <Gwaihir> yep, but there is no real channel name, adding the channel name maybe?
[17:44] <akgraner> I haven't added any of the new column information those are just place holders right now
[17:45] <Gwaihir> got it
[17:45] <akgraner> :-)
[17:45] <dholbach> if there's people who don't mind looking after it every now and then, then that's great
[17:46] <dholbach> maybe we should continue the discussion via mail?
[17:46] <akgraner> fine with me
[17:46] <akgraner> :-)
[17:46] <dholbach> excellent
[17:46] <dholbach> #topic CoC 2.0
[17:47] <dholbach> so, a few changes have been introduced in the ubuntu-codeofconduct branch recently and it was suggested to merge the leadership coc into the CoC
[17:47] <dholbach> to give it a bit more publicity
[17:47] <dholbach> AFAIK akgraner (was it you?) put up a google doc already
[17:47] <akgraner> so I added the LCoC and the CoC on one document  - I've made some changes to it - but others still need to take a look
[17:47] <dholbach> I could take an action to massage the changes into the branch as a merge proposal, so we can all take a look at it together again
[17:48] <dholbach> and then make the decision to get it into LP, the website and all the other places if we all agree
[17:48] <akgraner> it still reads like 2 separate documents
[17:48] <YokoZar> legit
[17:49] <akgraner> and maybe that's ok  - we just need a better lead into the LCoC part of it - I changed a little of it to make it flow but it still needs some more work
[17:50] <dholbach> ok, I'll take the action to mergeproposalify it, so we can review it together
[17:50] <beuno> where is the doc?
[17:50] <dholbach> there was a link in one of the emails
[17:50] <dholbach> I can dig it out and post an MP tomorrow
[17:52] <beuno> cool
[17:52] <akgraner> thanks dholbach
[17:52] <dholbach> ok, rocking
[17:52] <dholbach> moving on
[17:52] <dholbach> #topic voting software
[17:52] <dholbach> YokoZar, your stage
[17:52] <YokoZar> So, my volunteer who maybe might write us usable voting software messaged me the other day
[17:52] <YokoZar> He envisions a bit of a larger project, but wanted to cover our use case, and wanted to know if something based on Google App Engine is ok
[17:53] <YokoZar> Since we already use an offsite service (CIVS) I don't think it's any worse
[17:53]  * dholbach has no opinion
[17:53] <dholbach> sabdfl, do you have anything to say about the above?
[17:53] <beuno> yeah, it's not portable, which sucks a bit
[17:53] <beuno> but not worst, I agree
[17:54] <YokoZar> There's an attempt at a free lower-featured app engine replacement we could run ourselves I think, and his software may work on that (he mentioned it)
[17:54] <dholbach> would it present us with a CIVS-like service which is going to work with Launchpad Teams (OpenID teams support)?
[17:55] <YokoZar> That was basically my only request, so presumably ;)
[17:56] <dholbach> if you need more opinions on the google app engine criterion, best just bring it up with the rest of the CC in an email
[17:56] <dholbach> so we can see if there's more opinions
[17:56] <YokoZar> Yeah fair enough
[17:56] <YokoZar> Ok that's that
[17:56] <dholbach> Anything else?
[17:57] <dholbach> #topic Administrativa
[17:57] <dholbach> I guess we should decide on next chair, who does the wiki update and the like
[17:57] <dholbach> maybe we should also fire up an etherpad and write the minutes together
[17:57] <dholbach> that way we all get to go in 2-3 minutes :)
[17:58] <dholbach> YokoZar, beuno, akgraner, pleia2, Gwaihir: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/zCK129zmpU :)
[17:58]  * akgraner looks
[17:59] <akgraner> dholbach, doesn't meetingology give you all the bits once the meeting ends?
[17:59] <akgraner> and you can just copy and paste?
[17:59] <pleia2> only if you diligently use #info for every important thing ;)
[17:59] <akgraner> ahhh
[17:59] <akgraner> ok nm me :-)
[17:59] <dholbach> hum, I guess we better get using #info the next times then
[18:01] <dholbach> ok, if we're done with the minutes, I'm happy to update the wiki - who's the next chair?
[18:01] <akgraner> I can't chair but I'll be happy to help with admin stuff once the meetings end
[18:02] <dholbach> ok, let's find the chair next time - we always found somebody
[18:02] <dholbach> akgraner, I'll update the team report - can you do the next meeting time and everything?
[18:02] <akgraner> sure can
[18:02] <dholbach> excellent
[18:02] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[18:03] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[18:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  2 18:03:00 2012 UTC.
[18:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-02-17.04.moin.txt
[18:03] <beuno> o/


[00:02] <JontheEchidna> I can't install the latest amarok-nightly update
[00:03] <JontheEchidna>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/amarok-nightly-vars', which is also in package amarok-nightly
[00:18] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: known
[00:18] <Nightrose> should be fixed already
[00:18] <Nightrose> just wait for the next build
[00:19] <Nightrose> and #amarok is more likely to help you with this in the future ;-)
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok. :)
[00:59] <jayman20086> have found some bugs in kde for laptops
[01:00] <jayman20086> where should i report them other than launchpad
[01:00] <jayman20086> i can help solve it to
[01:05] <Riddell> cuteness! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/2471653827/in/set-72157604920245386/
[01:10] <seele> are those all yours?
[01:12] <Riddell> not if someone else wants them
[01:12] <seele> but they are if you dont get rid of them?
[01:13]  * seele wonders how many cats you have to have to become a cat lady/guy
[01:14] <Riddell> if you want one, I can bring one to prague
[01:14] <seele> no way.. i hate cats
[01:14] <Riddell> shouldn't be too hard to forge the passport paperwork
[01:14] <Riddell> but look at his eyes! http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2472471782_76c3431da7_b.jpg
[01:14] <claydoh> I think the rule of thumb is more than 4, at least to my wife :)
[01:14] <Riddell> who could say no to them?
[01:14] <claydoh> she is an adoption counselor at our local Humane Society
[01:15] <Jucato> aw! so cute :)
[01:15] <claydoh> kittens are awesome
[01:15] <seele> bah
[01:15] <seele> devil eyes them are
[01:15] <seele> all cute and fluff until they tear something to shreds
[01:16] <seele> dogs are so much better anyway
[01:16] <Jucato> claydoh: aren't you a dog guy? O.o
[01:16] <claydoh> lol I agree (have 3) untlm they are the ones shredding :)
[01:18]  * claydoh 's place is dog-proofed, mostly
[01:18] <claydoh> and our 1 cat happens to be the boss
[01:19] <Jucato> hahah!
[01:19]  * Jucato loves cats, but can't have one... would love to fly to prague to get one from Riddell, though :)
[01:19] <claydoh> he is bigger than our terrier, almost as bg as our mutt
[01:20] <seele> Jucato: he could probably ship it to you.. just needs to poke some airholes in the box :P
[01:20] <Jucato> :D
[01:20] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[01:20] <Jucato> claydoh: you have a panther/leopard/tiger? :)
[01:20] <Jucato> jjesse!!!!!!!!! :)
[01:20] <jjesse> :)
[01:20] <Jucato> (unless you meant to greet jussi01/jussio1)
[01:21] <Jucato> breakfast!! :P
[01:21] <claydoh> Jucato: he is part Maine Coon Cat, pretty big
[01:22] <Riddell> Jucato: yes http://picasaweb.google.com/riddell/Tiger/photo#5052914521975932178
[01:22] <jjesse> nice tiger, what's his/her name?
[01:23] <Riddell> dunno, he died shortly after that
[01:23] <Jucato> aw :(
[01:26] <jjesse> hrmm i see i'm on the attendee list for UDS for some reason
[01:29] <Riddell> jjesse: quick, book now!
[01:29] <Riddell> where's this list?
[01:29] <jjesse> Riddell: the list of roomates jorge sent out
[01:29] <jjesse> Riddell: would love to book, but wife would kill me
[01:30] <Riddell> you're down as Declined on the list I can see
[01:30] <Riddell> it's possible he means jpatrick, is he listed?
[01:30] <jjesse> that's what i thought, but i received an email from someone asking if he could switch to be my roomate
[01:30] <jjesse> haven'
[01:30] <jjesse> haven't had a chance to look at the list yet
[01:37] <jjesse> hrmm accoridng to the list i'm rooming with jonathan patrick davies
[01:37] <jjesse> that's funny :)
[01:56] <yuriy> kittens!!
[02:10] <Jucato> claydoh: ooh I just saw the maine coon cat... although I generally dislike extremely hairy/furry cats (I don't like Persians), I think I can make an exception for this one :)
[02:17] <Jucato> poor tigger :(
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> someone ported guidance-poer-manager to kde4?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> don't know what I always drop that w
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> *why
[02:40] <Jucato> poor-manager seems about right :)
[02:40] <Jucato> :D
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> ok, I give up... good night
[02:41] <Jucato> good night nosrednaekim :)
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> JK....
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> my typing is always bad
[04:43] <NewBerner> been using kubuntu for a few versions now and want to help. tried packaging while back and couldnt get hang of it. :(
[04:47]  * dAsKrEEcH hugs NewBerner
[04:48] <NewBerner> the packaging/merge faqs seem to be written for ppeople who already have some clue to how it all works
[04:49] <NewBerner> maybe bug triage would be a better start?
[04:50] <yuriy> NewBerner: if you don't code, bug triage would be a good start
[04:51] <NewBerner> i code in vis basic which aint much good here.
[04:52] <nixternal> oi oi
[04:54] <dAsKrEEcH> no nixternal he means well! He was being honest
[04:54] <dAsKrEEcH> assuming that NewBerner is a he :)
[04:55] <yuriy> I haven't been keeping up over the past week, so there's certainly some catching up to do: http://tinyurl.com/4mra4d
[04:55] <yuriy> (blame the bot, btw)
[04:55] <NewBerner> ya, vb pays the bills.
[04:56] <dAsKrEEcH> But yet can't buy Yahoo :(
[04:56] <yuriy> dAsKrEEcH: why :( ?
[04:57] <dAsKrEEcH> yuriy: Hmm?
[04:57]  * dAsKrEEcH takes a big swig
[04:58] <NewBerner> late here - check out bug triage later this week. thanks
[04:58] <dAsKrEEcH> 5 a day!
[05:04] <nixternal> heh, I gave another Kubuntu/KDE 4 talk tonight to a bunch of gnomeites
[05:05] <yuriy> and?
[05:11] <nixternal> I asked how many were going to switch when KDE 4.1 came out
[05:12] <nixternal> nobody raised their hands, so I said "well, keep on enjoying the 1980s and maybe we will see you soon back here on earth" :p
[05:12] <nixternal> they got a good laugh...one or two installed the KUbuntu KDE 4 Remix side by side
[05:14] <dAsKrEEcH> Ah nixternal Always a good ambassador
[05:15]  * dAsKrEEcH hums Planet Planet Planet Gnome
[05:15] <nixternal> I am giving a "get involved in Kubuntu" talk either this weekend or next week
[05:17] <dAsKrEEcH> Aren't they curenntly in talks to revamp GTK+ ?
[05:17] <nixternal> yes, Gtk+ 3
[05:17] <nixternal> I am also working with gnome-do devs here soon on creating a platform neutral backend
[05:18] <nixternal> so is Mez I think :)
[05:18] <nixternal> if not, we talked about him last week in Michigan
[05:21] <yuriy> revamp it with an object oriented language? (and not C#?)
[05:24] <nixternal> yes
[05:24] <nixternal> something neutral, possibly Python
[05:26] <yuriy> umm... that would suck. why would you implement toolkit in a scripting language?
[05:30] <nixternal> well, I don't know how interested they are in C++ for one
[05:34] <dAsKrEEcH> #define .c .cpp
[08:20]  * Serega yaws "morning, fellows"
[08:21] <Riddell> morning
[08:21] <smarter> morning :)
[08:21] <Serega> what is the homepage for the gdebi-kde4? https://launchpad.net/gdebi ?
[08:22] <Riddell> yes
[08:22] <smarter> Riddell: have you had time to review my desktop-effects-kde bugfixes?
[08:22]  * Serega closes his eyes: "pykde is sweeet...."
[08:23] <Riddell> smarter: seemed all sensible from the changelog
[08:24] <smarter> great
[08:24] <smarter> could it be possible to backport it?
[08:24] <Riddell> would need to be uploaded to intrepid first
[08:26] <Serega> Riddell: Jon, KAdoutData of PyKDE4 requires using of ki18n, should we use it instead of the gettext?
[08:27] <Riddell> Serega: yes
[08:27] <nixternal> mornin' Riddell
[08:27] <Serega> kool
[08:27] <Serega> morning nixternal
[08:28] <nixternal> hehe, I haven't gone to bed yet, but it is 02:28
[08:28] <Serega> well... it's VERY early morning :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I contact pardus now concerning their admin tools or do you prefer that we discuss this in the uds before asking them their feeling about that ?
[10:07] <smarter> Tonio_: are pardus tools in Qt4?
[10:14] <Serega_> KCmdLineArgs.usage('error message') doesnt print 'error message' does anybody know why?
[10:31] <Serega> haha, pykdedocs splash is wonderful :)
[10:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead, but they're not much use as KDE 3 tools
[11:20] <Nightrose> awwwww the kittens = pure cuteness
[11:20] <Nightrose> hope you'll find a nice home for them
[12:03] <smarter> Nightrose: maybe we should use the kittens pic as the default wallpaper for 8.10? (:
[12:04] <Nightrose> smarter: haha yea
[12:10] <Serega> argh... hot do perform this: i18n("some txt: %s") % some_txt ?
[12:10] <Serega> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for %: 'QString' and 'str'
[12:11] <Serega> s/hot do/how to/ :)
[12:21] <\sh> serega: try str(some_txt) ... qstring should give you a unicode string
[12:45] <jdavies> Riddell: I was going to be jjesse's rommie, but can't come
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: they probably consider switching to kde4
[13:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/ <- that might have been my problem - think this can be backported?
[13:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I hope that is already backported
[13:34] <Nightrose> I will check
[13:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: and that defenitely is worth a security fix
[13:34] <apachelogger> plz poke Riddell
[13:34] <Nightrose> k
[13:34] <Riddell> hmm?
[13:34] <Nightrose> Riddell: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/
[13:34] <apachelogger> "Fix for a dangerous bug which can lead to crash or remote DoS of Kopete when a Jabber contact has '#' in Jabber client name or version returned in Disco response."
[13:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: they?
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: pardus team
[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I wonder if that should be a security update
[13:37] <Nightrose> 143419 < apachelogger> Nightrose: and that defenitely is worth a security fix
[13:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't really know what qualifies for a security update
[13:38] <Riddell> you're ahead of me :)
[13:38] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:38] <apachelogger> but a remote DoS isn't exactly a good thing
[13:40] <seele> is it just me, or does hardy seem slower than gutsy?
[13:40] <seele> my harddrive seems to always be churning
[13:42] <gnomefreak> seele: using firefox?
[13:42] <gnomefreak> i ask because that is a firefox bug that was just patched upstream
[13:46] <seele> gnomefreak: ah hah.. should have known
[13:46] <seele> whose idea was it to ship a beta product in a release anyway?
[13:46] <seele> did firefox give ubuntu money or something?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> seele: firefox-2 will be EOS before HArdy EOS so we took the better of the 2 evils
[13:48] <seele> wow.. they didn't leave much transition room, did they
[13:48] <gnomefreak> nope
[13:48]  * apachelogger whould apply different priorities
[13:49] <gnomefreak> firefox releases are 12-15 month support IIRC
[13:49] <gnomefreak> thats why you never see firefox <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[13:53] <Riddell> who's on hardy? testers needed for 4.0.4 in -backports
[13:53] <Nightrose> o/
[13:54] <Nightrose> updating already
[13:54] <jjesse> i am
[13:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: that jabber bug, it causes a crash on you?
[13:54] <jjesse> what do i need to do/
[13:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: yea a lot
[13:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: i actually think danimo is causing it ;-)
[13:54] <Nightrose> but i am not sure as i have a lot of jabber contacts
[13:55] <Nightrose> I am trying to find out who it is for two weeks now
[13:55] <\sh> apachelogger, is there a CVE pending for it?
[13:55] <jtechidna> Most of the 4.0.4 packages aren't ready yet here.
[13:56] <apachelogger> \sh: don't know, but probably not
[13:56] <jtechidna> But stress test them when I can update.
[13:56] <jtechidna> *I'll stress test them
[13:57] <\sh> apachelogger, if it's really a serious DoS...then there should be a CVE from the kopete team..
[13:57] <\sh> or from the reporter
[13:57] <\sh> anyways...talk to kees/jdstrand to get that handled...
[13:57] <apachelogger> \sh: #kopete
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[13:57] <\sh> apachelogger, prepare a package, and fix it as security bugfix
[13:58] <\sh> is kopete in kdenetwork or a single source package? ;)
[13:58] <apachelogger> in kdenetwork
[13:58]  * apachelogger doesn't have time to prepare the package
[13:58] <\sh> hooray for buggy software in kde base packages
[13:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[14:01] <\sh> apachelogger, does it do any other harm then crashing kopete? e.g. sending with the malformed package some randomg rm code? ,-)
[14:01] <jjesse> Riddell: did you need testing help?
[14:01] <Riddell> jjesse: install kubuntu-desktop-kde4 and dist-upgrade with backports enabled
[14:02] <jtechidna> oh cool, a different mirror has the 4.04 packages
[14:02] <jjesse> ok already have kubuntu-desktop-kde4 installed so i will dis-tupgrade
[14:08] <Riddell> hrm, kwin didn't start for me on login
[14:09] <jjesse> thats no good
[14:09]  * stdin thought it was kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[14:09] <jjesse> Riddell: dist-upgrading right now
[14:09] <Riddell> stdin: it is
[14:17] <jjesse> that's wierd my shift and ctrl keys stopped working
[14:17] <jjesse> work in my vm but not in the host
[14:17] <Nightrose> hmm Riddell fixed your kwin problem? i updated everything and am ready to reboot but...
[14:18] <\sh> jjesse, vmware?
[14:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: I managed to run it from alt-f2
[14:18] <jjesse> in vmware the shift and control are working
[14:18] <Nightrose> k
[14:18] <jjesse> in kubuntu they are not working
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, which version of vmware (client version)
[14:19] <Nightrose> I'll give it a shot and reboot then
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, this happens with compiz or metacity too
[14:19] <jjesse> vmware server works
[14:19] <jjesse> random stopping of the ctrl and shift keys/
[14:19] <jjesse> question mark
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, it's a problem with the vmware client
[14:19] <jjesse> ah
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, which fcks up the special keys on the host...doesn#t matter what WM
[14:20] <\sh> jjesse, vmware client 1.0.5 helped
[14:20] <jjesse> ah ok will have to install that then
[14:27] <Nightrose> Riddell: seems fine so far here - going to do some testing
[14:28] <Riddell> great
[14:28] <jjesse> ok installed backports brb with testing them
[14:29] <JontheEchinda> brb too in just a second
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> Cool, the password dialog for screen locking doesn't disappear behind the screensaver now.
[14:39] <stdin> seems kde3 apps don't want to go in the system tray any more
[14:39] <Riddell> stdin: works here
[14:39] <stdin> akregator and knetworkmanager start, but stay in small windows on the desktop
[14:40] <stdin> kde4 and gtk apps do go in the systray though
[14:40] <seele> anyone familiar with GRUB and wants to take a few minutes looking over my wireframes before i send them to Artemis_Fowl?
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Konversation and knetwork manager embed in my tray just fine
[14:48] <Nightrose> hmmmm about screen tells me kde version is still 4.0.3 - package version for kdebase-*-kde4 is 4.0.4 though
[14:48] <Nightrose> something tells me that aint good ;-)
[14:49] <jjesse> Nightrose: same for me
[14:49] <Nightrose> ok good to know it is not just me
[14:49] <Nightrose> Riddell: ^
[14:50] <stdin> happens with a new user too
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> damn, forgot to update Qt before I logged out last time...
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> brb again
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Most of my apps are reporting 4.0.3 too
[14:56] <Nightrose> most?
[14:56] <Nightrose> any reporting 4.0.4 for you?
[14:56] <Nightrose> cause i have found none so far
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm, now that you mention it...
[14:57] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:57] <stdin> $ kde4-config --version
[14:57] <stdin> Qt: 4.4.0
[14:57] <stdin> KDE: 4.0.3 (KDE 4.0.3)
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> qt 4.4 is nice
[14:58] <Nightrose> same here stdin
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> same here
[14:58] <stdin> hmm, looks like Qt4 apps do embed in the tray (QSystemTrayIcon)
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> with compositing on, un-minimizing windows causes them to have all black window decoration momentarily
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> Desktop effects seem smoother though
[15:05] <Nightrose> yea here too
[15:05] <Nightrose> smoother that is
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> fullscreen apps like firefox used to make things chug when I minimized it with the minimize effect on
[15:07] <stdin> speaking of desktop effects, when I enable it for some reason my gtk apps become invisible
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> stdin: Yeah, that's been happening since forever
[15:08] <jjesse> when i enable desktop effects mine computer throws up
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> if you enable desktop effects, all minimized gtk apps become invisible
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> to workaround you can either:
[15:08] <stdin> even if they aren't minimised
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> huh
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> if you restart the app is it invisible?
[15:09] <stdin> I'll see
[15:10] <stdin> ok, now it's refusing to disappear :p
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I got your wireframes. I'll take a look at them later. Will you be here in about 3 hours?
[15:13] <stdin> of the 2 gtk windows I had open, only one disappeared this time, but restarting it made it come back
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> nice update, overall. bbl
[15:16] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: maybe, those are lunch hours
[15:16] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: more likely after 3 hours
[15:17] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: around 4 hours from now wouldn't be impossible for me
[15:17] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I'll see what I can do
[15:18] <seele> no worries.  if not email me with questions or we can talk tomor-- friday
[15:18] <seele> (damn this day job..)
[15:19] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I certainly need some exaplanations/information
[15:22] <seele> i figured.. that's why i wanted to talk it over with you.  it's not the voice of god, it's just a bunch of recommendations
[15:24] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok. we'll probably talk about it later
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> There's a typo on the 4.0.4 release announcement page
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> At the top it says "KDE 4.0.3 released"
[16:17] <yuriy> having trouble upgrading to 4.0.4 here:
[16:17] <yuriy> libqt4-debug: Depends: libqt4-gui (= 4.3.4-0ubuntu3) but 4.4.0-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed.
[16:28] <yuriy> oh no, another *Kit
[16:37] <stdin> yuriy: libqt4-debug was renamed to libqt4-dbg, use aptitude and it should say it want's to remove -debug
[16:39] <stdin> should say there, aptitude or adept, had no trouble with adept here
[16:40] <yuriy> i am using aptitude and that's what i'd expect but it's not figuring it out. it wants to hold back all the qt packages instead
[16:41] <yuriy> hmm haven't actually used adept in a while, i'll give it a shot
[16:42] <yuriy> this packagekit thing bothers me.. i hope the solid guys know about it
[16:43] <yuriy> wait so... 4.0.4 is built against Qt 4.4?
[16:44] <yuriy> (so many 4's :D)
[16:44] <stdin> I don't think it is, but Qt4.3 and 4.4 are binary compatible
[16:47] <yuriy> hmm was alien widgets a 4.3 or 4.4 feature
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> 4.4 I think
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> I thought 4.4 broke 4.0.x
[16:49] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: i thought so too but i don't see it in the new features pages
[16:50] <yuriy> but, let's see if the upgrade makes resizing smoother
[17:26] <stdin> umm, is anyone else not able to get kde3 apps to connect to the network in 4.0.4 any more?
[17:27] <stdin> konqueror gives me the error: An error occurred while loading http://... Cannot talk to klauncher
[17:27] <uga> uhuh... "W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"
[17:27] <uga> anyone else getting the same prob?
[17:28] <Nightrose> stdin: worksforme
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> uga: do apt-get update again
[17:28] <uga> it's failed twice already. Trying again
[17:29] <stdin> hmm
[17:29] <stdin> brb
[17:30] <uga> something is strange here... now it's not managing to receive headers from the archive
[17:31] <uga> nosrednaekim: has something been announced at slashdot?
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> eh?
[17:31] <uga> the server isn't responding
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> oh :)
[17:31] <uga> it's stuck at 28% once and again
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> 4.0.4 :)
[17:31] <uga> wtf
[17:31] <uga> nooooo!
[17:31] <uga> who wants broken kde 4.0 packages
[17:32] <uga> if only they were 4.1...
[17:36] <stdin> Nightrose: are your ~/.kde4/cache-* ~/.kde4/socket-* and ~/.kde4/tmp-* links or dirs?
[17:37] <Nightrose> checking
[17:37] <nixternal> security.ubuntu.com is the only thing hanging for me, everything else is decent
[17:37] <stdin> I just rm'd the links and replaced them with dirs (like it was before) and I get icons in the systray again
[17:37] <Nightrose> stdin: links
[17:37] <stdin> net access for kde3 apps is back, and so is the background
[17:38] <stdin> strange
[17:38] <stdin> seems to have fixed my issues though...
[17:47] <yuriy> aw resizing is still ugly
[17:47] <yuriy> wait.. this is 4.0.3.. huh
[17:48] <Nightrose> yuriy: yea the about dialog still shows 4.0.3 for some reason
[17:49] <yuriy> stdin: are you sure you got the right tarball? :P
[17:49] <stdin> yuriy: ask Riddell ;)
[17:52] <yuriy> ok this is pretty glitchy
[18:10] <nixternal> ya, they made a mistake with the 4.0.4 kdelibs tarball and just released and updated tarball to fix that yesterday
[18:11] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: you get a chance to look over the slides?  i have some time
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I am still looking the 2nd slide
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I didn't have much time
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: anyway
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: may I ask some questions that popped up?
[18:12] <seele> sure
[18:13] <Artemis_Fowl> some of them are trivial
[18:13] <Artemis_Fowl> for instance
[18:13] <Artemis_Fowl> KGRUBEditor has 4 Move buttons: Move Top/Up/Down/Bottom
[18:14] <Artemis_Fowl> are the Move Top/Bottom unnecessary?
[18:14] <Artemis_Fowl> because in the wireframes only Up/Down are shown
[18:14] <seele> right.. i would look at other list boxes that have that functionality and use whatever they use
[18:14] <seele> we dont have a guideline on it yet, so i don't know what is typically used
[18:15] <seele> i think since there will only ever be a few entries that clicking the button a few times isn't so bad
[18:15] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[18:15] <seele> i think most people will have 3 entries (kubuntu, failsafe, windows)
[18:15] <seele> maybe 4
[18:15] <seele> i guess id depends on if all the historical kernels are available or not
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> moreover concerning the Move buttons how should they look? currently they only have an icon and no text
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> as you can see in the screencast
[18:16] <seele> yes
[18:16] <seele> let me check system settings to see if there is a precedent
[18:16] <seele> i know kmail uses icons
[18:18] <seele> cand find anything
[18:18] <seele> for now, i guess use your icons, but dont feel bad if someone asks you to change it to a button with text
[18:18]  * seele makes a note on the hig todo
[18:20] <Artemis_Fowl> actually the icon alone seems a bit strange but with the text the layout looks a bit ugly
[18:21] <Artemis_Fowl> so for now simply delete the Move Top/Bottom actions
[18:21] <Artemis_Fowl> and the Copy Entry
[18:21] <seele> yes, i didnt know what copy would be used for, and the other editors didnt have that option
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> actually it could be used as a template
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> copy an entry
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> and then edit it
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> but indeed it is useless
[18:22] <seele> especially since Add takes you through the wizard
[18:23] <Artemis_Fowl> another question: should I keep the click-and-show-info approach in the entry list?
[18:24] <Artemis_Fowl> I didn't really understand what you meant in the notes where you mention: "Possible info to list in GRUB menu:"
[18:24] <seele> no, afaik there are no other kde lists that act like that
[18:25] <seele> ah, well it is a choice between when you select something, the information shows (not the double clicking action, you can only view the information for the selected item), information on tooltip, or display the information below the box when the item is selected
[18:25] <seele> currently information is either shown in a tooltip, always visible, or shown when selected
[18:25] <seele> basically, anything that you agree to that isnt the funky double click exapanding information thing
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: tooltips don't sound that bad
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: actually it would be nice
[18:29] <seele> it would give you room to put more information too
[18:29] <Artemis_Fowl> however let's consider all alternatives. when you say "display the information below the box" you mean something like this: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/765471_o3wx1/KGRUBEditor14.png?
[18:30] <seele> yes
[18:31] <nixternal> The following packages will be REMOVED: kde4libs-dbg kdebase-dbg-kde4 kdebase-runtime-dbg kdebase-workspace-dbg kdepimlibs-dbg kdesdk-dbg-kde4 libqt4-debug libqtwebkit-dev
[18:31] <nixternal> hrmm, why do all of the -dbg packages want to get removed?
[18:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that used to be how KGRUBEditor looked almost a month before but got rejected due to low space
[18:32] <seele> low space?
[18:32] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it didn't leave much space to the entry list
[18:33] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I think I will go the tooltip way
[18:33] <seele> ok
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok all of the entry related things are covered I think
[18:35] <Nightrose> nixternal: same here - though i don't really care
[18:35] <seele> oh, also.. just use text to show the default and fallback
[18:35] <seele> dont use another color
[18:36] <seele> the text alone is enough, and i dont know if all the themes have a secondary selection color defined
[18:36] <seele> or how accessibility handles that information
[18:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that's fine. one settings less
[18:36] <Artemis_Fowl> setting*
[18:36] <seele> ok cool
[18:37] <stdin> nixternal: because libqt4-debug is now libqt4-dbg apparently
[18:38] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that's ok for now. I have to go. I'll take a look at the slides later and ask questions tomorrow
[18:38] <seele> ok, talk to you later
[18:39] <yuriy> oh yay the lock screen bug that I keep forgetting to report is fixed in 4.0.4
[18:45] <yuriy> wait crap now the screen won't lock at all
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> I can lock my screen just fine
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> Session switching seems to be unbroken now
[18:50] <yuriy> hmm the button doesn't do anything at all for me right now
[18:50] <yuriy> neither does switch user
[18:59] <Riddell> yuriy: the version number is a bug from upstream, patches welcome
[18:59] <Riddell> kdeversion.h I think is the file
[19:00] <Riddell> vorian: poke poke
[19:00] <Riddell> vorian: what should i say about your motu application?
[19:04] <nixternal> Riddell: that is cheating :p
[19:08] <jdavies> nixternal: "Works for us" (tm)
[19:10] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[19:11] <jdavies> nixternal: btw, does semantik work there?
[19:12] <jdavies> evening jjesse
[19:12] <jjesse> hello jdavies
[19:26] <jdavies> oh blimey
[19:26] <jdavies> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784/
[19:26]  * jdavies questions upstream's methods
[19:33] <vorian> thanks for the kind words Riddell :)
[19:33] <vorian> (and jdavies and nixternal )
[19:33]  * jdavies hugs vorian - now... go package NUR of k9copy!
[19:33] <vorian> k9copy eh?
[19:34] <jdavies> new release is KDE4 version
[19:34] <vorian> hmm
[19:34]  * vorian looks :)
[19:34] <jdavies> and I sent the author some patches at new year's
[19:35] <jdavies> Riddell: for existing kde3 packages in the archives, should we still add -kde4 to the package name, or replace the kde3 version?
[19:38] <vorian> 2.0 downloading now....
[19:39] <vorian> jdavies: i'll pop the kde4 at the end just to be on the safe side
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> What debug packages would I need for Ktorrent-kde4?
[19:53] <jdavies> vorian: one of yours^
[19:54] <smarter> debugging symbols are in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/
[19:54] <vorian> hmmm stealing my package eh?
[19:54] <vorian> :P
[19:55] <Arby> evening all
[19:55] <jdavies> evening Arby
[19:55] <smarter> JontheEchidna: so this should be what you're looking for: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/k/ktorrent-kde4/
[19:55] <Arby> what merging fun needs doing tonight?
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[19:56] <smarter> you can also add ddebs.ubuntu.com to your sources.list
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> useful
[19:57] <stdin> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/227902
[19:57] <stdin> +patch
[19:58] <jdavies> smarter: interesting site
[19:59] <stdin> same as http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs I suspect
[20:00] <smarter> jdavies: n'est-ce pas? ;)
[20:01] <smarter> stdin: The requested URL /~ubuntu-archive/ddebs was not found on this server.
[20:01] <jdavies> ;-) -> supper
[20:01] <stdin> well, that's the old address
[20:11] <Tm_T> bahhhhhh
[20:12] <Tm_T> now I slowly begin to regret I decided to reinstall system
[20:12] <Tm_T> I wonder why I cannot choose othre locales than en_US
[20:15] <stdin> Riddell: kde4libs-dbg can't be installed due to Qt4.4, I've uploaded a new debdiff which should fix it
[20:16]  * Tm_T is slowly getting bare xorg installed
[20:23] <Arby> Riddell: is kdevelop3 worth merging or is there a kde4 version on the way?
[20:28] <Lure> hello all
[20:28] <Lure> anybody building kde-svn with qt4 from hardy-backports?
[20:28]  * Lure has issue with it
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> Somebody in#kubuntu-kde4 was having trouble building KDE svn with Qt4.4
[20:41] <Lure> JontheEchidna: ok, at least I am not alone
[21:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/227904
[21:04] <Lure> Nightrose: confirmed
[21:25] <loffe> Hi all, I can't install libqt4-opengl-dev. There seems to be a conflict. I get this error message: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/QtOpenGL.pc', which is also in package libqt4-dev
[21:26] <loffe> Can anyone help me with a workaround, or maybe a fix?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> I have the same problem
[21:28] <mi> me 2
[21:29] <mi> :)
[21:29] <mi> after update qt 4.4 I can't compile kdebase ....
[21:32] <loffe> What I understand this is caused by libqt4-dev has some kind of "lock" on the file and no other package may overwrite it
[21:33] <loffe> I guess some dpkg command can fix this, but I don't know the tools enough to experiment with it
[21:34] <stdin> it's --force-overwrite, but don't tell anyone I told you
[21:34] <stdin> it's a 1337 command ;)
[21:34]  * JontheEchidna 1337
[21:34] <loffe> stdin: to use with apt or dpkg ?
[21:35] <stdin> dpkg
[21:37] <loffe> stdin: thanks, it seem to work
[21:37] <loffe> stdin: and I will not blame you if I broke something :P
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> Where does apt store its debs?
[21:38] <stdin> it only tells dpkg not to error out when one package overwrites a file from another, but an update of either (if it's not fixed) will break again
[21:39] <stdin> JontheEchidna: /var/cache/apt
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> k, thx
[21:39] <stdin> /var/cache/apt/archives to be exact
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> I had remembered stumbling upon it in the past but I forgot where it was
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> Yay, and now apps that need QtOpenGl compile!
[21:42] <loffe> FYI the file that gets overwritten is exactly the same as the new one.
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> qmake wasn't failing because that file was missing
[21:43] <loffe> I think this has to do with the libqt4-dev split into several packages
[21:43] <stdin> libqt4-opengl-dev is only a recommends of libqt4-dev
[21:44] <loffe> afaik In qt 4.3 there was no libqt4-opengl-dev, it is new in qt 4.4
[21:44] <stdin> yep
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> stdin: did you find out of 4.0.4 was built again 4.4?
[21:45] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I don't think it was, but let me have a look-see
[21:48] <stdin> kde4libs was built against qt4.3
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:49] <stdin> and so was kdepimlibs, so 4.3 would be what everything uses
[21:52] <yuriy> so the qt4.4 backport was completely independent of the kde4 backport?
[21:52] <yuriy> what about future builds of kde for hardy, how will those work?
[21:54] <stdin> future builds should be against 4.4, as long as they are uploaded to -backports anyway
[21:58] <mi> stdin, tnx kdebase compile again nice
[22:03] <Lure> stdin: thanks, works here too
[22:53] <vorian> arrrgh, archive is sloooooow today


[19:53] <real_clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUkI9luOQY
[19:53] <real_clivejo> is that infringing on Kubuntu copyright?
[20:02] <mparillo> As you say, Not Kool. Maybe there can be some kind of watermark with https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
[20:03] <real_clivejo> just mentioned it to Michael aka Tuxdigital
[20:04] <real_clivejo> just find it extremely bad manners to remove TuxDigital credits and add his own!
 Still has his voice.


[01:01] <micahg> if freenode says someone was banned from a channel, but the user says they never entered it, what to do?
[01:03] <micahg> nhandler: ^^
[01:06] <IdleOne> micahg: does the ban list have him listed and who set the ban? ask them about it is what i would do
[01:06] <micahg> IdleOne: user has no knowledge of the ban
[01:06] <micahg> or so they say
[01:06] <micahg> could've been an IP ban
[01:06] <micahg> user is in #ubuntu-devel, can someone check?
[01:07] <IdleOne> well I guess you could lift the ban and then keep an eye out
[01:07] <micahg> I don't sit in the channel, user wants to get support in #Ubuntu
[01:07] <IdleOne> micahg: ask in #ubuntu-ops or send him there to ask about it
[01:08] <micahg> IdleOne: isn't this #ubuntu-ops?
[01:08] <IdleOne> nope this is #ubuntu-irc
[01:08] <IdleOne> ops idle here also
[01:08] <micahg> hmm
[01:08] <micahg> I must have my labels backwards...
[01:08] <persia> This is really the best channel in which to ask such questions.
[01:09]  * persia suspects a too-wide ip-range ban
[01:09] <IdleOne> persia: agreed but ban disputes need to be discussed in #ubuntu-ops where the ops can let the user know why they got banned
[01:10] <IdleOne> that is why I suggested sending the user to -ops
[01:35] <micahg> thanks
[14:58] <m4v> some locobots seem missing..
[14:59] <m4v> ..all of them actually
[15:02] <DJones> m4v: When we noticed that locobot_2 had dropped off irc last week, I sent an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and they restored it quite quickly, might be worth dropping them an email to let them know.  I'm not sure which irc channel the locobot admin's hang out in to get directly in touch with them
[15:11] <tsimpson> I think #ubuntu-eu


[00:04] <Juzzy> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/179809_1271358760939_1739005916_473720_6581880_n.jpg
[02:19] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[02:32] <wrst> hey linuxman410 i'm here
[02:32] <linuxman410> hey quick question for you
[02:33] <linuxman410> did you ever get a os on that little computer
[02:34] <wrst> well linuxman410 i did sorta but never worked right kinda put it off to theside
[02:35] <linuxman410> is it possible to put linux on one of those cheap netbooks running windows ce
[02:36] <wrst> i may try arch or debian on it i would like it for an irc server
[02:36] <wrst> i don't know you know what model netbook it is linuxman410?
[02:36] <linuxman410> it is a augen ego
[02:37] <wrst> let me look at something
[02:39] <wrst> possible but not simple linuxman410
[02:39] <wrst> http://hackaday.com/2010/11/01/augen-e-go-booting-linux/
[02:39] <linuxman410> do you know how
[02:40] <wrst> that link has instructions, not simple, but not impossible but i probably wouldn't buy it if it had to go
[02:42] <linuxman410> that does not look like he got it all the way running
[02:43] <wrst> no looks possible but not very easy at all
[02:43] <wrst> i would stay away :)
[02:43] <linuxman410> wrst i have one here playing with it it is a pos
[02:43] <wrst> ha ha linuxman410, hey might be worth the try then :)
[02:44] <linuxman410> i got it for 23 dollars
[02:45] <wrst> well for 23 bucks... ;)
[02:45] <linuxman410> when i bought it the inverter was gone out and there was only 1 on ebay and it was 4 bucks
[02:46] <wrst> still under 30 bucks :)
[02:46] <linuxman410> i replaced inverter and got it going for a total of 27 bucks
[02:46] <linuxman410> the wireless works and it will play youtube videos and it is only 248 mhz
[02:52] <wrst> hmm my phone has 3 times the processor :)
[02:54] <linuxman410> my phone has more processor it is a new blackberry 9300
[02:55] <linuxman410> the linux phone did not work out kept locking up
[03:00] <wrst> i've been really happy with my android
[03:01] <wrst> now natty, not ready to say i'm happy with it ... yet
[03:05] <linuxman410> i am using peppermint os and peppermint ice
[03:05] <techMiles> ice ice baby?
[03:07] <wrst> break it down techMiles
[03:07] <techMiles> :d
[03:07] <techMiles> :D
[03:08] <wrst> All right stop
[03:08] <wrst> Collaborate and listen
[03:08] <wrst> Ice is back with my brand new invention
[03:08] <wrst> Something grabs a hold of me tightly
[03:08] <wrst> Flowin like a harpoon daily and nightly
[03:08] <wrst> Ice Ice Baby
[03:08] <wrst> :)
[03:09] <linuxman410> wrst i am selling my other atom it is going bye bye
[03:09] <wrst> what is it linuxman410?
[03:10] <linuxman410> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110645458764&ssPageName=ADME:X:BOCOC:US:1123#ht_500wt_1156 this is it
[03:12] <wrst> nice linuxman410
[03:12] <wrst> if i hadn't just bought a video camera etc i would be game for that
[03:13] <linuxman410> i am using my shuttle
[03:18] <vychune> evening
[03:19] <wrst> hello vychune
[03:20] <vychune> whats up
[03:20] <vychune> and is cyber here?
[03:23] <wrst> probably lurking somewhere vychune
[03:24] <wrst> i'm finished lurking for the night, goodnight everyone
[03:24] <techMiles> goodnight wrst
[03:24] <wrst> night techMiles!
[03:24] <techMiles> :)
[03:26] <vychune> night
[15:00] <vychune> morning
[15:04] <wrst> moprning vychune
[15:04] <wrst> errr morning even
[15:04] <vychune> lol
[15:19] <vychune> hows it going
[15:22] <wrst> pretty good vychune another nice cold morning here, hey pace_t_zulu
[15:22] <pace_t_zulu> morning wrst
[15:22] <pace_t_zulu> how did y
[15:22] <pace_t_zulu> 'a
[15:22] <pace_t_zulu> ll fair with the weather?
[15:22] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: by the looks of the nashville news you all are suffering a class 3 kill storm :)
[15:23]  * wrst hopes someone gets the kent brockman simpsons reference
[15:23] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: we have i guess 2-3" nothing to write home about
[15:23] <pace_t_zulu> i must have missed that episode
[15:23] <vychune> ?
[15:24] <pace_t_zulu> the roads last night were chaotic
[15:24] <wrst> yeah it was pretty funny, but i love having reporters out to tell us that its snowing
[15:24] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: they are still slick here but we generally get a lot of this so i guess a little better suited to handle not to mention no where near as much traffic which makes a huge difference
[15:25] <vychune> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDVs5WHehsI
[15:25]  * vychune waits to see who takes the bait
[15:33] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea... some people are exceptionally stupid when it comes to driving at snow
[15:33] <pace_t_zulu> i was tailgated the whole way home
[15:34] <wrst> yeah that just burns me up my wife and i had that last night
[15:41] <vychune> lol
[15:46] <pace_t_zulu> for some reason people thing pulling bumper to bumper alleviates traffic
[15:47] <vychune> memphis is ranked worse driving for a reason
[16:39] <vychune> anybody got epson ink they arent using? 68 and 69s
[19:39] <cyberanger> wrst: nice
[19:39] <cyberanger> Kent Brockman: Roads closed, pipes frozen, albinos...virtually invisible. The National Weather Service has upgraded Springfield's blizzard from "Winter Wonderland" to a "Class 3 Kill-Storm"!
[19:57] <wrst> thanks cyberanger
[21:37] <pace_t_zulu> any rtorrent users here?
[21:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu:
[21:53] <cyberanger> just got in, I'm a user of rtorrent
[21:54] <cyberanger> a fond user too
[21:55] <cyberanger> wrst: that's my 2nd favorite ket brockman quote
[21:55] <cyberanger> giant space ants is no. 1, but it's such a meme now, rare I can quote the weather one
[22:00] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: are you needing help with rtorrent?
[22:01] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i managed to use it to get what i wanted
[22:01] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: any suggestions on encryption settings for rtorrent?
[22:02] <cyberanger> depends on if your ISP gives your a reason or not
[22:03] <cyberanger> but as a minimum, I'd set allow_incoming
[22:03] <cyberanger> it's a step up from disabled, allows those on a messed up connection to use encryption
[22:05] <cyberanger> I use enable_retry myself, which seems to be best if your isp doesn't medle with plaintext
[22:07] <cyberanger> allow's incoming encrypted or plaintext
[22:07] <cyberanger> and if plaintext fails, it tries rc4
[22:58] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: does that help?
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ty
[23:01] <cyberanger> quite welcome
[23:20] <wrst> cyberanger:  your favorite kent brockman quote?
[23:43] <cyberanger> wrst: do you remember Homer Going to the ISS? started the Giant Space Ant Overloard meme?
[23:44] <wrst> why yes i do remember that one
[23:45] <cyberanger> that one is, becuase it so perfectly highlights how often the media gets it wrong
[23:45] <cyberanger> and how simple fact checking could be
[23:45] <wrst> :)
[23:46] <cyberanger> (as for the simpsons in general, Eat my Shorts! and Don't have a cow, man!)
[23:52] <wrst> well i agree on the fact checking once upon a time that was a sign of good journalism
[23:55] <cyberanger> not a bart simpsons fan?
[23:58] <wrst> oh no i am that also :)
[23:58] <wrst> brb rebooting natty... i hope


[05:27] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[05:27] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[06:07] <chesedo> hello Kilos and the beautiful continent
[06:22] <theShirbiny> password -> 123123123
[06:22] <theShirbiny> oops
[06:23] <Kilos> haha theShirbiny
[06:23] <Kilos> that was clever
[06:24] <Kilos> you surely dont use that kind of password
[06:25] <Kilos> jazz it up with caps letters and upercase characters
[06:26] <Kilos> like !@#Shirbiny123
[06:26] <Kilos> with other numbers of course
[06:26] <theShirbiny> no way, i'm using this one Thoo6Eki!x;ahngoogi7aba5Viph0neizog7zeey)i/M7eefoh
[06:27] <Kilos> haha
[06:28] <Kilos> that looks good yes but hard to remember
[06:28] <theShirbiny> that's what .txt files are for
[06:29] <chesedo> or password managers
[06:34] <Kilos> lol
[10:29] <inetpro> just use pwgen -sy 40


[18:03] <daftykins> a client's PA asked how to copy a file between folders today o0
[18:04] <zxmpi> 1) drop to the command line... :-D
[18:04] <penguin42> simple, upload it to the cloud and download it into the other folder
[18:04] <daftykins> xD
[18:05] <zxmpi> copy file to your phone and then copy it to new folder...
[18:05] <daftykins> ensure the data is passing at least 3 country borders
[18:06] <zxmpi> or through wales
[18:06] <penguin42> https://cdn.mastodon.org.uk/media_attachments/files/111/506/426/337/738/113/original/330f99266ed325f9.jpeg
[18:06] <daftykins> it lives!
[18:06] <penguin42> yeh, it's a bit touchy though
[18:06] <daftykins> breathe too hard near it and it'll flake out kinda thing?
[18:07] <penguin42> yeh, not quite sure why yet
[18:07] <daftykins> channel your inner Adrian Black - and deoxit that socket!
[18:07] <penguin42> maybe, this is after replacing the common 3 caps
[18:16] <daftykins> are many chips socketed or are they soldered?
[18:16] <daftykins> i don't know if i've ever seen anyone work on a BBC on youtube, maybe Adrian got one once after his UK trip
[18:18] <penguin42> all the big ones are socketed, and half the RAM
[18:23] <daftykins> probably is oxidisation if they haven't all had a good reseat :D
[18:26] <penguin42> very possible, it was quite mucky; the back vent on a Beeb lets a lot of junk in, and my room is quite dusty
[18:54] <zxmpi> the back vent on 8 bits was a paperclip magnet. i never bought paperclips but could always guarantee there'd be one there ready to fry my spectrum :-)
[18:54] <daftykins> and maybe those single wipe sockets like Adrian dislikes in a lot of his videos


[01:23] <callmepk> good morning
[03:07] <callmepk> gotcha, currently we are testing its performance so sorry for not replying for a while. I will try to update it Laney
[05:18] <didrocks> good morning
[05:33] <duflu> Hi callmepk and didrocks
[05:33] <callmepk> Hi didrocks and duflu
[05:51] <didrocks> hey duflu, callmepk
[06:26] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:27] <didrocks> salut salut oSoMoN
[06:34] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:37] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:37] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:28] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:34] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:42] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:44] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:54] <seb128> hey didrocks, oSoMoN, duflu, how are you today?
[07:55] <duflu> seb128, going average but good. You?
[07:55] <didrocks> seb128: good good, thanks, and you?
[07:58] <seb128> I'm alright, could do with more sleep but that's usual
[08:02] <Laney> HEYYYY
[08:03] <duflu> HI LANEY
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> hellooo
[08:04] <duflu> lo marcustomlinson
[08:04] <oSoMoN> I didn't sleep much but I feel good (for now)
[08:04] <oSoMoN> let's see how the day goes
[08:04] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, marcustomlinson
[08:05] <callmepk> hi oSoMoN seb128 Laney
[08:05] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk
[08:14] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:20] <seb128> hey Laney, marcustomlinson, callmepk, how are you?
[08:22] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu oSoMoN seb128
[08:22] <callmepk> I am great seb128 how are you?
[08:22] <callmepk> Also hi marcustomlinson
[08:23] <marcustomlinson> hey callmepk
[08:31] <seb128> callmepk, I'm alright, just a bit tired
[08:38] <Laney> moin duflu oSoMoN callmepk diddledan and seb128!
[08:38] <Laney> well
[08:39] <Laney> diddledan gets a bonus hi :>
[08:39] <Laney> hi didrocks too
[08:39] <didrocks> haha, I think he is used to it
[08:40] <marcustomlinson> I'm marcushaslam sometimes
[08:40] <Laney> I always tab complete on three letters
[08:40] <Laney> UNFAIR
[08:41] <didrocks> unfair I wasn’t the first on your completion!
[08:42] <Laney> it should do it by most recently spoke
[08:42] <didrocks> yeah, that’s how I setup weechat
[08:44] <Laney> dunno how to do it on irssi
[08:45] <didrocks> I don’t think it’s built-in. That’s basically how p_itti sold me on weechat :)
[08:45] <didrocks> maybe a plugin?
[08:50]  * Laney gives up :p
[10:16] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, jamesh, weekly summary reminder
[10:16] <seb128> tkamppeter, ^
[10:16] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, thanks :), I just dismissed the dialog reminding it without doing anything :-D
[10:17] <seb128> easier to dismiss than do the work right? ;-)
[10:20] <Laney> thx
[10:22] <diddledan> Haha. Hi, laney! Tab complete for the win 😛
[11:18] <tkamppeter> seb128, done
[11:19] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[11:24] <frederikf[m][m]> "morning"
[13:04] <seb128> hey frederikf[m][m], how are you?
[13:16] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags d635766 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * mutter Debian release 3.36.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/c7qh
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[13:17] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 93970c2 Marco Trevisan * pushed 56 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/it5rG
[13:17] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 390431c Koki Fukuda subprojects/extensions-tool/src/command-create.c * extensions-tool: Escape '\' and '"' in json string * https://deb.li/Qciz
[13:17] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 96699b9 Peter Simonyi js/ui/status/ brightness.js volume.js * status: Pass scroll events to volume and brightness sliders * https://deb.li/3HMcs
[13:17] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 7dce433 Florian Müllner (6 files in 5 dirs) * Bump version to 3.36.4 * https://deb.li/GYF
[13:17] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 9c8eae7 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (33 files in 15 dirs) * New upstream version 3.36.4 * https://deb.li/3OkO1
[13:17] <KGB-2> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 02c1f37 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (33 files in 15 dirs) * Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/3.36.4' * https://deb.li/bNTd
[13:30] <seb128> oh, it's already meeting time!
[13:30] <didrocks> yeah!
[13:30] <hellsworth> good morning folks
[13:30] <seb128> hey Heather
[13:31] <seb128> you are doing alright today?
[13:31] <seb128> k, let's get started
[13:31] <oSoMoN> morning hellsworth
[13:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-07-21
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 21 13:31:17 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel (out), kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <kenvandine> \o
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:32] <marcustomlinson> o/
[13:32] <oSoMoN> ol
[13:32] <hellsworth> o\
[13:32] <seb128> alright, seems like we have enough people to start!
[13:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> one old bug there that got bounced back to me, I will handle that later
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> bug #1887610
[13:34] <seb128> that's being handled by Hui and I'm doing sponsoring for him, I will assign now
[13:35] <seb128> and that's it
[13:35] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:36] <seb128> one pulseaudio - snap one assigned to James there
[13:36] <seb128> I think we discussed it and just failed to target, I will do that
[13:37] <seb128> only incoming one
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <kenvandine> seb128: thanks
[13:37] <seb128> the list there seems alright
[13:37] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <seb128> assigned bugs so probably just need to be targetted now
[13:38] <seb128> we discussed them in previous weeks
[13:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> the bugs there are assigned
[13:39] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:39] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:39] <seb128> the pygobject ones seem foundations material
[13:40] <seb128> libreoffice propably just needs a retry
[13:40] <seb128> and firefox is building
[13:41] <seb128> the list is in pretty decent shape atm :)
[13:41] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:41] <seb128> any other topic?
[13:41] <didrocks> (surprising for that stage of the cycle, but let’s wait for FF for the list going crazy :p)
[13:41] <seb128> right
[13:42] <seb128> +1 rotation probably helps a bit, also we didn't do much landings and Debian cares about autopkgtest test results as well nowadays which helps
[13:42] <seb128> but yeah, it's nice to see the list short :)
[13:43] <marcustomlinson> good job guys :)
[13:43] <seb128> oh, a reminder that focal .1 is in a few weeks, now is about time to upload your SRU for it if you still want to try to squeeze a fix on the iso
[13:43] <seb128> and nag the SRU team to get things approved if needed
[13:43] <Trevinho> yeah, I've to nag them indeed
[13:43] <seb128> k, since it seems there is no other topic I'm wrapping on that note
[13:43] <seb128> short efficient one
[13:43] <seb128> thanks!
[13:44] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 21 13:44:00 2020 UTC.
[13:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-07-21-13.31.moin.txt
[13:44] <kenvandine> thanks all
[13:44] <kenvandine> especially seb128 :)
[13:44] <seb128> :-)
[13:44] <marcustomlinson> thanks!
[13:44] <didrocks> Thanks!
[13:45] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: would you please relaunch some autopkg tests for me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6JX2m87dHC/
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> sure
[13:45] <hellsworth> ty
[13:46] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:07] <luna_> Is there any Ubuntu Desktop Meeting today during GUADEC? Or you already had it
[15:08] <seb128> luna_, it was over an hour ago
[15:08] <luna_> seb128: ah too late again will read the log
[15:08] <seb128> the hour is the same evert week :)
[15:08] <seb128> you should note it down on a postit :p
[15:08] <luna_> seb128: yeah or move my Google calender thing to the right time
[15:10] <luna_> or maybe jose should move it in the Fridge calendar nudge hint
[15:24] <seb128> Trevinho, could you check if what the user describes in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1881482 makes any sense to you?
[15:26] <Trevinho> seb128: I've marked it as duplicated, as it's basically the same we've addressed with the SRU
[15:26] <seb128> Trevinho, ah, nice, thanks
[15:26] <luna_> seb128: read it now, also new Stable Firefox on the Tuesday evening next week
[15:31] <oSoMoN> luna_, RC is already building in groovy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/79.0+build1-0ubuntu1
[15:32] <luna_> oSoMoN: neat
[15:32] <luna_> there will be some more RCs before stable not sure when however we will have a meeting about that in 1,5 hour
[16:42] <luna_> oSoMoN: next RCs will be released on Thursday and Friday or Saturday
[16:45] <oSoMoN> ack, thanks