[00:06] <sergio-br2> ochosi, almost done webapps
[00:08] <ochosi> sergio-br2: nice!
[00:08] <sergio-br2> i think it's missing only gmail
[00:09] <ochosi> very much looking forward to it
[00:09] <sergio-br2> in 16 px, what the standard? icon use all the 16x16 px area, or 15x15 ?
[00:09] <sergio-br2> facebook use 16x16, others 15x15
[00:10] <ochosi> depends a bit
[00:10] <ochosi> the 16x16 icons should just use what works best
[00:11] <ochosi> they're so constrained, sometimes it's almost impossible to do 16x16
[00:12] <ochosi> looks great so far
[00:12] <ochosi> the 16px gcal icon is a bit off to the right (the font)
[00:14] <ochosi> with that one you could go 15x15
[00:14] <sergio-br2> open it with inkscape, it's right
[00:14] <ochosi> i know, i did ;)
[00:15] <sergio-br2> weird
[00:15] <ochosi> actually the png export looks better
[00:15] <ochosi> so just keep it then
[00:16] <sergio-br2> each app in linux has it own svg implementation... why not just one?
[00:17] <sergio-br2> libreoffice, inkscape, eog, ristreto...
[00:19] <ochosi> i think there is a libsvg that ristretto uses
[00:20] <sergio-br2> common to eog?
[00:21] <ochosi> no idea what eog uses
[00:24] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:26] <sergio-br2> night
[06:38] <elfy> ochosi: -release will have you in it in ~48 hours
[06:59] <ochosi> elfy: that sounds like a threat..?
[07:00] <knome> ochosi, you should extend elfy's and bluesabre's membership
[07:00] <elfy> not at all - just the end result of the only admin on the team not doing things :p
[07:03] <ochosi> aha aha, elfy's talking in riddles again :)
[07:04] <elfy> ochosi: kind of - the previous attempts at making it obvious - like "ochosi - bluesabre and I will be expring from -release" didn't work :p
[07:04] <ochosi> aha, i guess i didn't notice
[07:04] <ochosi> or i thought knome had still taken care of it
[07:05] <ochosi> gotta run
[07:05] <ochosi> bbl
[07:05] <knome> of course not, i'm not an admin (or anything) there
[07:05] <elfy> you would of in 48 hours - you should then get a elfy has expired message
[07:05] <ochosi> LP is so slooooow
[07:05] <knome> and i did notice you about that
[07:05] <knome> ...
[07:05] <knome> i extended the memberships for some while already
[07:05] <knome> to give some breathing space
[07:05] <elfy> so many things to juggle
[07:06] <knome> yeah
[07:06] <knome> i threw all of the 30 balls at ochosi
[07:06] <knome> at the same time..
[07:06] <elfy> ha ha ha
[07:06] <elfy> bit like playing 52 card pickup then
[07:07] <knome> some of them didn't have a very ballistic course..
[07:07] <knome> also known as "the janitor"
[07:07] <elfy> heh
[10:00] <ochosi> elfy: you've been extended
[10:00] <ochosi> i also extended bluesabre, but i'll extend him for the rest of the cycle after we had the technical lead vote
[10:01] <ochosi> although voting is a bit ridiculous if we only have one applicant
[10:29] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[10:30] <ochosi> i think it'll be a formality, but it seems better to do it this way
[10:30] <ochosi> if i forget to extend you, please ping me as elfy did ;)
[10:32] <bluesabre> will do :)
[10:38] <ochosi> knome: have you warned any of the recent OT posters on the devel ML already btw?
[10:38] <ochosi> the "it is beautiful" is nice and all, but really OT :)
[11:33] <ochosi> elfy: btw, please talk to Unit193 whenever he's around again about the -core testing
[11:33] <ochosi> while he has an iso available, he suggested merging the seed file to give testers an easier/better way to provide feedback
[11:33] <ochosi> so that is for the two of you to decide
[12:15] <brainwash> ochosi: mark bug 1287171 as invalid or wishlist? vt switching is part of the concept of light-locker, if it breaks something, then people should not use it
[12:56] <elfy> ochosi: thanks boss
[13:10] <ochosi> brainwash: at least it's what i think is the cause for the vnc trouble,m i personally don't use anything like that
[20:13]  * ochosi lost his remote login for the moment, lemme know if stuff comes up


[00:16] <Dashofpepper> Hey folks!  First foray into Linux via Xubuntu; replacing Windows XP on an older laptop that I wanted to repurpose.
[00:18] <Dashofpepper> Anyone around that can answer a couple of questions?
[00:19] <Andrio> Maybe, if you ask the questions.
[00:20] <Dashofpepper> Does Pale Moon (Firefox fork) work with Xubuntu?  Does Google Chrome?
[00:21] <Andrio> I use Chrome on Xubuntu, so yeah.
[00:22] <Dashofpepper> Oh; installation just finished and I'm being prompted to reboot.
[01:48] <Dashofpepper> Hey folks!  Two questions from a new Xubuntu and Linux user.
[01:49] <Dashofpepper> First - I downloaded Chrome, but can't get it to install - and googling around trying to troubleshoot it hasn't gotten me anywhere; I could use some assistance.
[01:49] <Dashofpepper> I download the Chrome for Linux file (a .deb file), the software installer comes up, I click, "install" which creates a folder in /tmp, but nothing happens.
[01:50] <Dashofpepper> And second - when I'm googling how to do things, a lot of times people give commands to use in the console - how do you open a console in Xubuntu?
[01:50] <Andrio> Try `sudo dpkg -i <.deb file>`
[01:50] <Andrio> And there's a 'Terminal emulator' link on the whisker menu, or you can use Ctrl+Alt+T
[01:51] <Andrio> (or Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to tty1, then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to switch back)
[01:51] <Unit193> (FWIW, apt install ./file.deb works now, and is better as it does deps.)
[01:51] <Dashofpepper> do I replace <.deb file> with the name of the .deb file for the Chrome setup file?
[01:51] <Andrio> ah
[01:52] <Andrio> Dashofpepper, yes
[01:52] <Unit193> Dashofpepper: Ctrl+Alt+t to open a terminal emulator, btw.
[01:59] <Dashofpepper> Hrm....further research indicates that I may not be able to use google Chrome in Xubuntu because I am using 32B and not 64B Xubuntu.
[02:00] <Dashofpepper> The Xubuntu installation guide pointed me to 32B because the laptop I am repurposing here is circa 2006 hardware, and I was replacing Windows XP Pro.
[02:03] <Dashofpepper> I prefer not to use Firefox anymore since it turned into bloatware. :(
[09:00] <joeboom> I haven't used a linux desktop distro in 10yrs, I got the urge to check out since I have been mining crypto with a server distro for a little while, I got all excited downloading it, thought about how much tech has come since then, I was getting more and more excited watching it instal, then I got to the pretty desktop, moved my mouse around, and the same mouse acceleration problem that I had when I left was there, I opened a browser, and the same
[09:00] <joeboom> scrolling bug was still there from when I left, I started looking around and everything was all wonky and stupid, the software manager was garbage and annoying, and I litterally shed a tear, breaks my heart
[09:01] <bazhang> joeboom, try a different DE
[09:01] <bazhang> joeboom, as far as bugs, thats what bug reports are for
[09:11] <joeboom> thats what they said 10yrs ago, and go into xorg and edit mouse acceleration... and of course it didn't work, wasn't even the same distro, you know when we are talking 10yrs its not any one bug, I could go through here in 10min and come up with 20, and google, and get people saying the same things year after year..., the community is obviously broken, nobody cares, the bug reports exist... they just get filed as solved because people gave up on linux,
[09:11] <joeboom> its some other packages fault, or its not that important, the mouse works, you can see a webpage.......... RIP Linux destop
[13:37] <hoijui> i am trying to install xubuntu 16.04 on an old desktop machine (board: Acer Asphire AS85). i managed to get it booting from an USB stick, but after some time, it drops to busybox
[13:37] <hoijui> what should i try?
[13:37] <hoijui> i imagine some kernel parameters
[13:37] <hoijui> btw, this is converting a windows person to a linux one, so... together we might save the world here!
[21:10] <CoderEurope> hello


[12:09] <mkrufky> hey
[12:09] <mkrufky> infinity: sorry for the delay
[12:09] <mkrufky> infinity: yes, I had to patch the php5 source -- there is a bug in the php5.0.x code that breaks stored procedures for certain variable types
[12:11] <mkrufky> infinity: unfortunately, i must leave now... sorry that we missed each other again
[12:12] <mkrufky> infinity: I tested it -- all works very well... I'll try to meet you in here on Monday, and I'll show you the patch that fixed the problem
[12:12] <mkrufky> infinity: if you need like to contact me  before then, feel free to email me -- {my nick} at linuxtv dot org
[12:13] <mkrufky> btw, the patch that I applied was backported from php 5.1.x .....  so, we shouldnt need it for dapper ++
[12:13] <mkrufky> sorry, really gotta go... bye all
[12:14] <Pygi> bye
[12:14] <mkrufky> Pygi: bye
[08:13] <KotZer> im preparing an old-pc-server (P II) with ubuntu .. it will have two hard disks. 1. 4 gb 2. 2gb.. can you suggest me a partitioning scheme ?
[08:14] <KotZer> im thinking of mounting /var on the 2 gb
[08:27] <spike> KotZer: it really depdens what the pc will do
[08:27] <spike> hi fabbione
[08:27] <spike> KotZer: ie, it's not very useful to go with a very complex partitioning scheme on a workstation
[08:28] <spike> KotZer: anyway, what you can do is installing with LVM. so if you decide to change the partition scheme afterward it'll be able to do it easily
[08:40] <KotZer> ok thnx... it will run only an apache-php-lamp application and probably an ftp server
[08:41] <KotZer> isnt lvm installed by default ?
[08:43] <spike> KotZer: you can choose to isntall onto LVM at install time, it's not default
[08:43] <KotZer> *apache-php-mysql i mean
[08:43] <KotZer> oh ok
[09:10] <Pygi> hi Matt
[09:10] <Pygi> please see my mail
[09:10] <Pygi> thanks
[09:29] <Pygi> Matt, wake up
[09:29] <Pygi> it's urgent
[09:35] <mgalvin> Pygi: i am in many other channels, you need to ping my nick to get my attention... I read you email... since flight 5 has not even been annouced yet anyone using it should know that... at any rate is it all still alpha software and the web page already states that
[09:36] <Pygi> mgalvin: yes, BUT IT'S URGENT
[09:36] <Pygi> people think it's real flight 5
[09:36] <Pygi> it's already announced on digg that it's official
[09:36] <Pygi> think wat will be if it hits slashdot
[09:36] <Pygi> problems for us
[09:36] <Pygi> just please go change it ;)
[09:38] <mgalvin> we cannot control the press, i will try to contact digg... i will make a quick note on that page
[09:38] <Pygi> mgalvin: true, but please change the page to what I told you in the mail
[09:38] <Pygi> ;)
[09:38] <Pygi> I saw that you can change it, so...
[09:38] <Pygi> better to prevent, that to make it spread :-/
[09:40] <mgalvin> yup, i will make the change in a sec
[09:42] <Pygi> k, thank you very much
[09:42] <Pygi> :)


[10:22] <rmg51> Morning
[10:51] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:22] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[16:29] <lazyPower> o/


[00:01] <neversfelde> _Groo_: well, it is a development version in a very early stage ;)
[00:02] <_Groo_> neversfelde: btw is the printer settings working? if fails for me..
[00:02] <_Groo_> neversfelde: and btw kdenlive in lucid has a broken package dependency, it cant be installed
[00:04] <jussi01> _Groo_: without wanting to push you away at all, it might be useful for you to also check in at #ubuntu+1
[00:05] <neversfelde> _Groo_: karmic here :)
[00:05] <_Groo_> well just take a look at the kdenlive package.. its broen
[00:06] <_Groo_> it has a hard dependy of melt which uses another lib which cant be mixed... lol a classic loop dependency problem
[00:06] <nixternal> how do you change the plasma theme in 4.4b1?
[00:06] <_Groo_> nixternal: system settings, has a new icon for that
[00:06] <neversfelde> _Groo_: please paste the error message somewhere
[00:08] <nixternal> _Groo_: where? I don't see anything in there to change the theme...I see remote widgets policies, that's about it, and nothing under Appearance
[00:08] <_Groo_> neversfelde: http://pastebin.ca/1712679
[00:09] <_Groo_> nixternal: desktop theme details in advance (next to desktop search)
[00:09] <nixternal> ahh, there it is :) thanks
[00:09] <nixternal> totally in the wrong place
[00:09] <_Groo_> btw whats the virtuoso package name? i cant find him anywhere in lucid, so i cant use nepomuk
[00:11] <Lex79> no yet in lucid
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: workspace tab of the style section in the appearance kcm
[00:12] <neversfelde> I'll have a look at this kdenlive problem
[00:13] <_Groo_> neversfelde: thanks :)
[00:14] <_Groo_> Lex79: do we have a ppa yet?
[00:14] <Lex79> it's in a private ppa, we are working
[00:15] <verbalshadow> Lex79 do have a est. on timelime
[00:16] <Lex79> nope
[00:17] <Lex79> also, we are waiting Debian for that
[00:18] <verbalshadow> ok
[00:18] <Lex79> and maybe we can merge
[00:18] <_Groo_> Lex79: but is it usable? can you paste the ppa, since im already in alph(a)broken distro, i can try it
[00:19] <Lex79> _Groo_: the package is only in our private ppa, you should wait a bit :)
[00:26] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: thank you sir
[00:26] <nixternal> i much preferred the old way
[00:27] <neversfelde> _Groo_: don't you have a libmlt1, according to packages.ubuntu.com it is still in Lucid
[00:28] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ii  libmlt1                                              0.4.4-2build1                                                 multimedia framework (runtime)
[00:28] <neversfelde> tahts dpkg -l ?
[00:28] <_Groo_> yep
[00:29] <_Groo_> neversfelde: thats exactly the problem, kdenlive asks for libmlt2 and melt which is a hard dependency wants libmlt1
[00:29] <_Groo_> neversfelde: and both are exclusive
[00:29] <_Groo_> neversfelde: so you have a classic dependency lock
[00:29] <neversfelde> and apt-cache policy libmlt1 ?
[00:30] <neversfelde> ah sorry, I see
[00:31] <neversfelde> seems to be more a problem with non KDE packages
[00:31] <_Groo_> neversfelde: its an interesting little bug, because semantically its all fine, but since its a dependency of a hard dependency it fails.. it was some time since i saw one of these
[01:16] <_Groo_> neversfelde: koffice-kde4 is broken too
[01:16] <_Groo_> neversfelde: krita wants libkdcraw7 and kde 4.4 uses libkdcraw8 for gwenview
[01:22] <DaskreecH> Anyone has Nepomuk running with Virtuoso ?
[01:22] <DaskreecH> Quintasan: Hmm ?
[01:23] <Quintasan> DaskreecH: beats me, let me run mah lucid KVM
[01:25] <Lex79> _Groo_: I'm fixing koffice, maybe is ready for tomorrow
[01:26] <_Groo_> DaskreecH: where did you get virtuoso? ppa?
[01:26] <_Groo_> Lex79: thanks lex... i sugest also to take a look for digikam, it might be broken too
[01:26] <_Groo_> Lex79: since it uses a lot of the same libs
[01:26] <Lex79> _Groo_: ok, thanks :)
[01:27] <_Groo_> im hooked to the new tabbed windows behaviour of kde, simply amazing
[01:29] <_Groo_> unfortunately since 3d is a no go for now, or i have 3d with compiz or i have tabbed windows... tough choice :P
[01:37] <nixternal> Darkwing-Netbook: what did you have to do in order to get your netbook up and running with lucid?
[02:02] <nixternal> nevermind.... kstart plasma-netbook :)
[02:09] <prefrontal> my karmic KDE just took a dive. i upgraded to the latest KDE SC and that didn't help, upgraded my video drivers to nvidia 190 and 195, nuked ~/.kde, nothing has helped. after login the screen goes black for 1 second and then goes back to login.
[02:09] <prefrontal>  here is my /var/log/kdm.log: (EE) Failed to load module "freetype" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard [config/dbus] couldn't register object path
[02:09] <prefrontal> strangely, my mounts are also acting up. i get many 'none' entries in the first column, and I have to start nfs manually using: mount -t nfs -a     (output) http://pastebin.ca/raw/1712774
[02:10] <DaskreecH> Quintasan: Hmm was for the almost congrats
[02:10] <Quintasan> hmm?
[02:10] <Quintasan> I'm waiting for whole MOTU Council to vote for or against me being a MOTU
[02:10] <Quintasan> I have +3 while I need +4
[02:11] <DaskreecH> Ah. Out of interest does a -1 make that a +2 ?
[02:11] <Quintasan> beats me
[02:12] <Quintasan> probably just one against :P
[02:12] <DaskreecH> That would be very D&Dish and kinda cool
[02:12] <DaskreecH> Not in the current case :) but still kinda cool
[02:13] <verbalshadow> DaskreecH how do you roll an -1?
[02:13] <DaskreecH> verbalshadow: More like a -1 mace of feathers
[02:14] <verbalshadow> and it's enchanted so you can't get rid of it?
[02:15] <jjesse> plus vorpal
[02:15] <DaskreecH> cursed
[02:15] <jjesse> btw is the beta 1 out officially and under which ppa?
[02:15] <DaskreecH> and of course cursed at by you for being cursed
[02:15] <DaskreecH> jjesse: no
[02:16] <prefrontal> before the release of karmic I packaged my software (emergent) and one of its prerequisites (libquarter). i even wrote scripts to automate the process. but our software can't be built in the standard motu test environment. we require real gl, and out software doesn't work with software level mesa gl
[02:16] <prefrontal> this means i can't build our package in a ppa, and it doesn't pass the automatic package build process
[02:16] <DaskreecH> Woah What's Start playing?
[02:17] <prefrontal> here is one of my scripts: http://grey.colorado.edu/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/emergent/trunk/bin/ubuntu-motu-emergent?view=markup
[02:17] <prefrontal> will a motu help me out?
[02:18] <verbalshadow> prefrontal why does it have to have "real gl"
[02:18] <prefrontal> its due to one of our prerequisites, Coin3d (packages in repo)
[02:18] <prefrontal> it just doesn't work with mesa
[02:20] <prefrontal> here is the software btw: emergent neural network simulator http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent
[02:20] <prefrontal> any motu want to help me get it into lucid? please.
[02:21] <DaskreecH> #ubuntu-motu might be helpful as well
[02:21] <prefrontal> thanks
[02:49]  * ScottK is working on a kdebase-runtime update if anyone has anything beyone what's in bzr.
[02:52]  * DaskreecH wanders off to check when B2 is due
[02:53] <DaskreecH> tagged in 3 days
[04:19] <DaskreecH> JontheEchidna: Yay SC!!
[06:44] <Darkwing-Netbook> ScottK: ping
[07:11] <Darkwing-Netbook> nixternal: <mistrynitesh> any reason why link to karmic specs still showing on the /Kubuntu/Todo/Lucid wiki page?
[07:17] <nixternal> he must be blind
[07:17] <nixternal> mistrynitesh: ^^
[07:18] <nixternal> I see Lucid...but I did just fix that :)
[07:20] <Darkwing-Netbook> sheesh... I run that "fix" that ScottK gave me and now I cant get ANY UI up and running.
[07:21] <Darkwing-Netbook> and to top it off my desktop fried again.
[07:21] <mistrynitesh> nixternal never replies before fixing :D, i think we can then remove the next section which only repeats the link
[07:25] <nixternal> what section?
[07:30] <mistrynitesh> nixternal: the 'Specifications' section just below the first line
[07:30] <mistrynitesh> nixternal: oops... i meant just the line, not the section
[07:31] <nixternal> we didn't need the section though did we?
[07:32] <mistrynitesh> nixternal: hehe, you again replied after fixing it :)
[07:32] <nixternal> of course :)
[07:32] <nixternal> gotta love editing wiki pages via the command line
[07:32] <nixternal> split window, so I can talk to you and edit it at the same time
[07:32] <nixternal> multitasking at its best
[07:38] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/mydesktop.png  <- see, multitasking :)
[07:45] <ScottK> New armel build failure: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2/+build/1387474/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdegraphics_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:45] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Any ideas?
[07:56] <mistrynitesh> all hail the 'split-ternal' :P
[07:57] <nixternal> the only way to roll
[07:57] <markey> want some good old (but refreshing) fun?
[07:57] <nixternal> if tty1-6 would do that, I wouldn't need tty7 or KDE :p
[07:57] <markey> lean back
[07:58] <markey> and enjoy this:
[07:58] <nixternal> bring it markey
[07:58] <markey> http://identi.ca/conversation/16617618#notice-16617618
[07:58] <markey> (warning, it _will_ make you dumber)
[07:59] <Darkwing-Netbook> ScottK: Yesterday, after removing ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-netbook-appletsrc as recomended when I log in all I get in a blank Desktop with no panels. When i change the desktop type back to Search and Containment I get the desktop for the netbook but, no panel. Any ideas?
[07:59] <Darkwing-Netbook> ScottK: On a side note, I no longer have to log in twice.
[07:59] <ScottK> Darkwing-Netbook: Can you add a panel manually with the widget picker?
[07:59] <Darkwing-Netbook> Crashes KWin
[08:00] <Darkwing-Netbook> But, I have gotten one.
[08:00] <Darkwing-Netbook> Every time I add a widget is crashes KWin
[08:01] <ScottK> markey: Thanks for confirming my decision not to bother with identi.ca.
[08:01] <markey> that's not really the point of it
[08:01] <markey> check who said these things
[08:01] <markey> then think
[08:01] <ScottK> Pretend I don't know who these people are and the 'splain me.
[08:02] <Darkwing-Netbook> Anywho, I'm just trying to get it back :D
[08:02] <nixternal> markey: hahahaha...I swear I feel more stupid than I did 2 minutes ago
[08:02] <markey> google "lefty schlesinger"
[08:02] <DaskreecH> markey: That's an accomplishment
[08:02] <ScottK> OK.
[08:02] <nixternal> lefty jumped in there quick
[08:02] <maco> O_o
[08:03] <markey> nixternal: you've just subtracted 20 points from your IQ ;)
[08:03]  * ScottK also nots that DaskreecH types faster than he does.
[08:03] <maco> im with nixternal
[08:03] <markey> I've felt like that too
[08:03] <nixternal> markey: shit, 20? I feel like all 30 of my IQ points are now gone :)
[08:03] <Darkwing-Netbook> 30? LUCKY!
[08:03] <nixternal> 31 on a good day!
[08:03]  * Darkwing-Netbook wishes he could get more then 10
[08:04]  * DaskreecH gives nixternal a +1 intelligence tome of documnetation
[08:04] <DaskreecH> One time use.  << std::endl;
[08:05] <markey> hehe
[08:05] <markey> really, I didn't even bother replying
[08:05] <markey> they self-destructed
[08:05] <markey> makes it all the more juicy
[08:05] <nixternal> I seriously need to go through my c++ books again and refresh heavily...this ubuntu/kubuntu + python love has brainfarked me
[08:06] <nixternal> yeah, i totally noticed no response by you...it's like, "Here is a lure mr. fishy, take it...now run with it...make yourself tired...then I will reel you in!"
[08:08] <DaskreecH> markey: ScottK wants this 'splained!!!
[08:08] <Darkwing-Netbook> ScottK: I'll work on it tomorrow... I'm off to bed. Tis midnight and I get to be apart of a war in my LoCo tomorrow
[08:08] <Darkwing-Netbook> Night guys
[08:08] <ScottK> DaskreecH: I think I figured it out OK from markey's Google hint.
[08:08] <Darkwing-Netbook> nixternal: I'll send it my update tomorrow.
[08:08] <ScottK> Good night Darkwing-Netbook
[08:10] <nixternal> so I see plymouth is coming to ubuntu
[08:10] <DaskreecH> ScottK: Ah Alright
[08:10] <nixternal> at least that is what phoronix is telling me
[08:10] <ScottK> nixternal: It's in the archive already.
[08:11] <DaskreecH> It's been in the archive
[08:11] <DaskreecH> are they going to use it?
[08:11] <nixternal> groovy...so with that, I will take my arse to bed now :)
[08:11] <nixternal> g'nite all you kool people!
[08:11] <DaskreecH> Ah I think I shall follow to bed
[08:11] <nixternal> don't follow me to bed you pervert!
[08:13] <maco> hmm bed sounds good
[08:13]  * DaskreecH follows maco to bed then
[08:13] <maco> DaskreecH: oh no you dont!
[08:13] <DaskreecH> Dang it!
[08:13] <maco> you're goin to your own room!
[08:14] <DaskreecH> That's what I thought till everyone started saying I couldn't!
[08:14] <maco> or ScottK's. maybe he wants you.
[08:14]  * maco hides
[08:15] <DaskreecH> I just want to sleep
[08:15]  * ScottK is too busy fixing KDE to sleep
[08:16] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[08:16] <maco> freeflying: youve got about a 4 hour wait
[08:16] <freeflying> maco: :)
[08:16] <maco> maybe 2 if he checks IRC before going to sunday services
[09:24] <markey> gah
[09:24] <markey> after rebooting, the USB drama started again
[09:24] <markey> had to plugin keyboard 5 (!) times
[09:24] <markey> in different USB ports
[09:24] <markey> to get it working
[10:04] <jussi01> markey: not fun
[10:04] <markey> yeah...
[10:04] <markey> really annoying
[10:04] <markey> not sure what is causing that, though
[10:04] <markey> didn't happen with 9.04
[10:05] <jussi01> so, question is, what chaned from when it was working?
[10:07] <markey> no idea
[10:07] <markey> maybe my hardware is at fault... or the software
[10:07] <markey> hardware wise, only one thing changed:
[10:08] <markey> I bought an additional (active power) USB 2.0 hub
[10:08] <markey> currently one HDD is plugged in there
[10:08] <markey> that's all
[10:09] <markey> the same thing happens with HDDs too, and my MTP player
[10:09] <markey> no matter which port I use
[10:09] <markey> (internal or hub)
[11:33] <ulysses__> Greetings.
[11:56] <apachelogger> Lex79: why are libkdcraw7 and libkdcraw8 conflicting anyway?
[11:56] <apachelogger> the point of a lib package with soversion in the name is really so that you can have the same lib in multiple soversion installed
[11:57] <apachelogger> so libkdcraw7 and libkdcraw8 conflicting is of greater implications than just making koffice depend on the latter
[12:00] <apachelogger> Lex79: http://paste.ubuntu.com/340493/ icons and those icm profiles should not be in the lib but in a seperate data package!
[12:00] <apachelogger> needs to be discussed with debian I suppose
[12:29] <Riddell> freeflying: you pinged?
[12:29] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, I'm gonna to add ibus support to kimpanel
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: rocking
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: are you going to update the old ibus support or start from scratch?
[12:31] <freeflying> Riddell: update the old one
[12:31] <freeflying> Riddell: what do you think to use it by default?
[12:32] <Riddell> freeflying: that would sounds good
[12:33] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, no immediate ideas about that arm failure I'm afraid
[12:33] <freeflying> Riddell: another concern is how to add kimpanel
[12:33] <freeflying> Riddell: if we add kimpanel for everyone, then those never use IM will concern about it
[12:34] <Riddell> add it by locale?
[12:35] <Riddell> plasma in 4.4 has a new qscript thing to change the setup, it could probably work out the locale
[12:35] <freeflying> so we will use 4.4 for lucid?
[12:36] <Riddell> yes
[12:39] <freeflying> then we might drop plasma-widget-kimpanel
[13:11] <Riddell> freeflying: isn't that the UI for kimpanel?
[13:17] <freeflying> Riddell: kimpanel was merged into plasma-addons
[13:19] <Riddell> despite not working with current ibus?  silly silly
[13:20] <freeflying> Riddell: seems it works, just tried
[13:29] <amichair> Riddell: can you please remind me (or link) what are the plans for install-package?
[13:32] <amichair> seele: are you the one to talk to about kde usability issues?
[13:49] <Riddell> amichair: we'd like to get rid of it
[13:49] <amichair> Riddell: what's the plan?
[13:49] <Riddell> amichair: so anything that uses install-package should be changed to use kpackagekit
[13:49] <Riddell> kpackagekit is now able to install from the command line
[13:50] <amichair> what uses it other than soft-props?
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-notification-helper also uses it, since we have to upgrade to a newer kpackagekit for batch support
[13:50] <Riddell> amichair: apt-cache rdepends install-package
[13:51] <Riddell> amichair: however kpackagekit may be missing 'apt-get update' funtionality which is what software-properties uses it for
[13:51] <Riddell> dantii would know if he was around
[13:51] <Riddell> amichair: gdebi also should go, it only exists because install-package depends on it
[13:52] <amichair> ouch, lots of depends
[13:52] <amichair> is all this going to happen in lucid?
[13:54] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is this kpackagekit update stuck on something?
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, a newer version of packagekit, which itself is stuck on a need for a Qt frontend for the new policykit 1.0 api
[13:55] <amichair> JontheEchidna: any chance for all this in lucid? I really don't feel like fixing bugs in a discontinued piece of software :-(
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, this is all supposed to happen for lucid. I wouldn't bother with install-package bugs
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> or gdebi-kde bugs
[13:57] <Riddell> right, the Todo is to kill them both, not fix them
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll package polkit-qt-1 from kdereview today
[14:10] <Riddell> good idea
[14:15] <amichair> JontheEchidna: great :-)
[14:49] <seele> Riddell: is switching from install-package calls to kpackage semi-trivial? could it be a papercut?
[14:52]  * Sput notes that kpackage is about to be removed from KDE, afaik
[15:08] <Riddell> seele: it could yes
[15:08] <Riddell> Sput: kpackagekit not kpackage
[15:11] <Sput> Riddell: ah ok. I was just remembering a current discussion on k-c-d about removing kpackage in favor of kpackagekit and/or shaman :)
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> polkit-qt-1 uploaded (will be in new queue soon)
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> glatzor: ^ may interest you
[15:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you tested it?
[15:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what about polkit-kde-1?
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: investigating policykit-kde-1
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> nice, looks co-installable with what's in kdebsae-workspace
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> which reminds me, I would like to make a policykit-kde binary package in kdebase-workspace so that people don't have to install the whole KDE workspace to use k3b
[15:35] <EagleScreen> good idea to people who do not use KDE but likes k3b
[15:37] <Lex79> apachelogger: libkdcraw7 is gone in 4.4 beta
[15:44] <Daskreech> Yeah I saw that get removed
[15:46] <Quintasan> nixternal: any movement in the council list?
[16:00]  * JontheEchidna uploads polkit-kde-1 to his ppa
[16:02] <Quintasan> hurr
[16:02] <Quintasan> gluon packaged, lets package a game written using gluon
[16:02] <_Groo_> Quintasan: kdenlive and koffice-kde4 are broken.
[16:03] <Quintasan> _Groo_: and what I'm supposed to do?
[16:04] <Quintasan> _Groo_:  also koffice-kde4 will become a transitional package IIRC
[16:04] <Daskreech> Quintasan: I think there is only one currently
[16:05] <Daskreech> How long does a transistion package last? I'm sure that most of them hang around for a long time
[16:05] <_Groo_> Quintasan: its a dependency problem, both of them
[16:05] <Quintasan> I won't do it today since I still need to prepare for school
[16:06] <_Groo_> Quintasan: http://pastebin.ca/1713286
[16:06] <_Groo_> Quintasan: thats for kdenlive
[16:07] <_Groo_> http://pastebin.ca/1713288
[16:07] <_Groo_> for koffice-kde4
[16:17] <Blizzz> some idea how i can run 64bit lucid on virtual box? get this error message after choosing "install kubuntu" when booting from the iso: http://imagebin.ca/view/PrL-RX.html host is running on 64bit
[16:19] <_Groo_> Blizzz: do you HAVE a 64bit cpu on host?
[16:19] <Blizzz> _Groo_: yes
[16:20] <_Groo_> Blizzz: did you installed 64 bit version of vbox?
[16:21] <Blizzz> _Groo_: i hope so, right from the repo
[16:21] <ulysses__> Blizzz: Your processor should support hardware virtualization tu run 64-bit guests in Virtualbox.
[16:22] <Blizzz> ulysses__: in former installations (32bit though) it was no problem
[16:22] <_Groo_> Blizzz: poke around the settings, it was suposed to work
[16:26] <Blizzz> _Groo_: did change some values in general and system sections, was not successful either
[16:26] <_Groo_> Blizzz: see the log, maybe it has some clue there
[16:33] <Blizzz> _Groo_: nothing that hits my attention. http://pastebin.ca/1713309
[16:36] <_Groo_> Blizzz: what cpu? amd, intel?
[16:38] <Blizzz> _Groo_: intel
[16:38] <Blizzz> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5550  @ 1.83GHz
[16:40] <_Groo_> do a cat /proc/cpuinfo and check for virtualization extensions
[16:44] <Blizzz> _Groo_: i don't know the abbreviations, but as of wikipedia it supports virtualization and is also has worked before when i run a 32bit kubuntu on it
[16:44] <_Groo_> Blizzz: very strange
[16:44] <Blizzz> aye
[17:33] <Untitled_No4> Hi, I have a question about a bug I'm experiencing in alpha1 of lucid...
[17:36] <refic> well I guess you should ask it then? :)
[17:37] <Untitled_No4> Wasn't sure if anyone was awake...
[17:37] <Untitled_No4> Anyway, when I log out both plasma-workspace and knetwork-manager crash
[17:38] <Untitled_No4> I get the KDE bug report tool, but then it's gone since logout continues.
[17:38] <Daskreech> Untitled_No4: #ubuntu+1
[17:38] <refic> I think it's easiest to just ask and then wait for someone to reply
[17:39] <Untitled_No4> I know that KDE bugs should now be reported to KDE, but I think this is a Kubuntu specific bug since I don't get that on openSUSE with KDE 4.3.8
[17:40] <Daskreech> Untitled_No4: It is.
[17:40] <Daskreech> IT's also known
[17:40] <yuriy> i've seen knetworkmanager crash on logout in karmic actually
[17:40] <Untitled_No4> Okay, so no point reporting.
[17:40] <Daskreech> KDE 4.x+1 is always difficult to package the first time
[17:41] <Daskreech> Untitled_No4: You can ask in #kubuntu-devel if you should provide more info. It may be a sepearte issue
[17:43] <Untitled_No4> I'll try to find the bug report in Launchpad and see if there's anything I can add to it.
[17:43] <Untitled_No4> Thanks.
[18:03] <amichair> what's the proper way to rebase a bzr branch? i.e. resync with trunk (parent) so I can continue work with a clean slate?
[18:03] <amichair> anything better than "bzr merge" + commit?
[18:36] <apachelogger> nixternal: I think sabyon is the unwanted stepchild of gentoo :P
[18:36] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Does it have Bluehair?
[18:36] <apachelogger> no
[18:37] <Daskreech> Doesn't count. How is old Moocow ?
[18:43] <Sput> apachelogger: depends, we're developing a productive relationship with the sabayon guys nowadays
[18:43] <Sput> and the lead developer has recently become a full-fledged Gentoo developer :)
[18:43] <apachelogger> I see
[18:44] <Sput> we refuse supporting sabayon users for obvious reasons, but technically the distro has some nice ideas, and improving Portage benefits both sides too
[18:45] <ScottK> Sounds familiar
[18:45] <Sput> pretty much :)
[18:45] <zorael> Will kmozillahelper and a KDE-friendly Firefox be in Lucid main? I don't see the package currently on packages.ubuntu.com.
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> zorael: it's being worked on, yes
[18:56] <ScottK> zorael: Do you have any interest in helping out with Kubuntu development?  We have plenty of valuable work for new people to do.
[19:06] <jjesse> i found a live usb drive on 9.10 laying around the house, how can i tell whether it is i386 or amd64?
[19:11] <ScottK> jjesse: Boot it, open a konsole shell and type uname -a
[19:11] <ScottK> There are probably easier ways, but that would work.
[19:12] <jjesse> hrmm ok uname =a gives me linux ubuntu 2.6.312-5-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP
[19:13] <yuriy> wow amarok tells you where you last stopped a track
[19:13] <jjesse> oh wait it is i686 so not amd64
[19:14]  * jjesse keeps downloading
[19:16] <amichair> virtualbox-ose-guest-utils is broken in lucid - how do I remove the half-installed package?
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> in what manner did it fail to install?
[19:19] <amichair> "Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.32-7-generic (x86_64)"
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, script failure, nice
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> maybe try sudo apt-get install -f?
[19:20] <amichair> same error
[19:20] <amichair> it's quite annoying testing in a vm without guest addons...
[19:21]  * jjesse goes out for a run while downloading have fun guys ;)
[19:23] <amichair> JontheEchidna: found an error log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/340716/
[19:26] <apachelogger> ==11169==   total heap usage: 16 allocs, 15 frees, 851 bytes allocated
[19:26]  * apachelogger starts running in cicles
[19:26] <apachelogger> never ever in my hole career as mad c dev did I loose memory
[19:28] <apachelogger> oh,  phew, bad copynpaste
[19:28] <apachelogger> ==11231==   total heap usage: 16 allocs, 16 frees, 851 bytes allocated
[19:28] <apachelogger> more like it :D
[19:28]  * apachelogger hands out cookies
[19:28] <amichair> lol
[19:28] <amichair> you can always blame the clipboard! :-P
[19:29] <jussi01> nixternal: ping
[19:29] <apachelogger> not in that case, I forgot to change initStr to destructStr in one of the 3 occurances
[19:29] <nixternal> jussi01: pong
[19:30] <jussi01> nixternal: got a second for a quick pm?
[19:30] <nixternal> sure
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> [14:26:30] <sandsmark> JontheEchidna: not really tested, but I could do with some feedback: http://home.samfundet.no/~sandsmark/updated-phonon.patch
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> The patch is 18.8k lines long; I really hope Qt syncs phonon for 4.6.1
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> On an unrelated note, I'm doing a local build of kde4libs w/ policykit-1 support
[19:35] <Lex79> bah, JontheEchidna we are sure koffice-kde4 is in main ? most of its build-deps is in universe
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> it's in main since the koffice source package has been in main forever
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> I guess we have a lot of MIRs to write :S
[19:36] <Lex79> uhmm yes a bit
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> which reminds me, did we ever get an MIR done for libssh?
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> seeing as beta2 packaging starts in a few days we need to get a minion right on that
[19:37] <Lex79> iirc yes we have, but dunno where
[19:37] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1713487 LoL
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:39] <Lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libssh/+bug/492931
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah, waiting on the security team for that
[19:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You might give pitti a poke on that on Monday (explaining it's getting a bit urgent due to beta 2 coming)
[19:40] <ScottK> security team/ubuntu-mir, btw
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: would asac be better since he assigned the MIR to himself?
[19:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.
[19:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: asac is also often around on the weekend.
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> ooo, looks like libssh upstream did a 0.4.0 release
[19:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's also just been accepted into Debian.
[19:41] <ScottK> Somone should merge/update
[19:42] <Lex79> what should I do with koffice? wait MIR for build-deps or doing and upload as it ?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> If nobody else has gotten the libssh stuff before I get back to night I'll do it then.
[19:57] <zegenie> Mamarok suggested I ask in here, anyone know if there are any kde sc 4.4 beta packages available for karmic yet?
[19:57] <zegenie> even testing / staging is fine with me
[19:57] <zegenie> :)
[19:57] <Mamarok> he wants to help testing
[19:57] <zegenie> I want to avoid having to set up a build environment again :P
[20:02] <zegenie> oh well, if there is any way I can help testing karmic pkgs, ping me and I'll be around
[20:02] <zegenie> for kde sc 4.4 beta that is
[20:10] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is bug #133310 at all related to software-properties? it sounds like the bug is there before they even open it...
[20:27] <yuriy> amarok folks: any chance of getting the vertical tabs back? O:) breadcrumb is so tedious for something so simple
[20:46] <Mamarok> yuriy: wrong channel
[20:53] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, I completed the manage-software section :)
[21:00] <Lex79> ScottK: when you have a second, can you add kubuntu_102_armel_temp_build_fix to bzr? it's missing, thx
[21:15] <shtylman_> man
[21:15] <shtylman_> kde 4.4 is utterly broken in lucid right now
[21:16] <amichair> even the bug reporter is broken, so I can't report the brokenness :-/
[21:16] <shtylman_> haha
[21:17] <shtylman_> I can't do anything
[21:17] <shtylman_> I can't even launch a konsole
[21:17] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: rock on with your bad self!
[21:17] <shtylman_> to try and see if things error out
[21:17]  * nixternal notes that he is rocking out KDE 4.4 on Lucid, both plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook :)
[21:17] <shtylman_> well arn't you special
[21:17] <nixternal> yes
[21:17] <nixternal> ;)
[21:17] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, thanks :) if you have some time can your review it
[21:18] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: probably a bit later this evening I will
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, thanks you are awesome :)
[21:18] <nixternal> aww thanks :D
[21:18] <shtylman_> nixternal: you just installed the normal packages? or built from source?
[21:18] <ScottK> Lex79: Which package?
[21:18] <nixternal> installed normal packages
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, alright bye
[21:19] <Lex79> ScottK: kdebase-workspace
[21:19] <shtylman_> frm ppa?
[21:19] <ScottK> BTW, new libattica release that we'll need soon.
[21:19] <ScottK> Lex79: OK.
[21:19] <shtylman_> or from normal repos?
[21:19] <shtylman_> I think I see the problem
[21:19] <shtylman_> dist-upgrade didn't finish
[21:19]  * nixternal is upset with armel being built with armv6 flags... >= Karmic will not install on the sheevaplug
[21:20] <shtylman_> haha
[21:20] <nixternal> shtylman_: normal repos
[21:20] <amichair> nixternal: u got one of those?
[21:20] <nixternal> I had to futz around with 'dpkg -i /var/jfdakljfda/fdlajfldaf/daf/dafd.eb --force-overwrite' on a few packages
[21:20] <nixternal> amichair: yes
[21:21] <amichair> nixternal: is it as fun as it looks?
[21:21] <nixternal> I was going to pick up 5 of them at $60/ea
[21:21] <amichair> what you got running on it?
[21:21] <nixternal> it is groovy, I want to run irssi, mutt, openimap, and some other communication apps on it...but Karmic or newer won't go on it...so I will probably put debian back on it
[21:22] <zorael> ScottK: I don't really have any expertise with which to help. :< I mostly lurk the forums and help out with entry-level troubleshooting.
[21:22] <nixternal> I have Jaunty running on it now...it just serves music to my entire house, which sounds like a big deal, but this place is small :)
[21:22] <ScottK> zorael: Sounds like you could be helpful with bug triaging.
[21:22] <amichair> zorael: there's always bug triaging which can use a hand
[22:58] <Lex79> uploaded koffice to bzr
[23:00] <amichair> Riddell: a few more software-properties fixes waiting in the branch :-)
[23:08] <ScottK> Lex79: Done
[23:09] <Lex79> ok


[10:22] <l3on> Hi all!... I'm a member of ubuntu-it community council. We have some problem with old IRC logs for #ubuntu-it-meeting. We used logs.u-eu.o, that now seems to be down. The new website (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/) does not have old logs (2006-2007-...)... can you please tell me how we can get them ?
[10:24] <IdleOne> !logs
[10:24] <IdleOne> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[10:25] <IdleOne> ah, you are right
[10:27] <IdleOne> l3on: give me a few minutes. I am trying to find out who you can email
[10:27] <IdleOne> here we go<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:27] <l3on> IdleOne, for logs.u-eu.o is it a temporary issue ?
[10:28] <IdleOne> I assume it is a temporary issue
[10:28] <l3on> ah ok!.. thanks!
[10:30] <IdleOne> l3on: you can also ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[10:32] <Unit193> But it isn't their server.
[10:34] <IdleOne> it isn't?
[10:35] <Unit193> logs.ubuntu-eu.org > gu.ubuntu-eu.org > <IP_ADDRESS> > xvm-188-65.ghst.net, though the DNS is.
[10:35] <IdleOne> anyway i sent an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about it. ticket #20574
[10:35] <IdleOne> it'll probably be up soon
[10:45] <IdleOne> Unit193: you are right, canonical has nothing to do with that
[10:48] <AlanBell> l3on: it has been down for ages and ages, probably not coming back
[10:49] <l3on> such a bad news :/
[10:49] <Tm_T> nooo
[10:50] <Unit193> Funny that ping and ssh work, this IP gone to someone else?
[10:50] <IdleOne> ubuntu-eu.org loads the ubuntu-de.org site
[10:52] <Tm_T> EU politics much?
[10:53] <Fuchs> as far as I remember (parts of the ubuntuusers structure were there) more a technical thing
[10:54] <AlanBell> actually looks like the domain was registered by Canonical
[10:54] <AlanBell> probably just part of the mass registration of loco domains (every iso code)
[10:55] <IdleOne> .de is not the centre of all things Europe!!!!
[10:55] <IdleOne> I am outraged
[10:55] <Fuchs> no, it isn't.
[10:55] <IdleOne> eh, not really.
[10:55] <Fuchs> but as far as I remember things, the de server team was one of the few ones that worked
[10:56] <IdleOne> I'm just trying to stir the pot but don't really have the enthusiasm required.
[10:56] <Fuchs> e.g. when we lost that French server for good ...
[16:03] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: around?
[16:05] <AlanBell> hi JoseeAntonioR
[16:05] <AlanBell> yes, now I expect you want to talk about openweek :)
[16:05] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: yep, and a cloak change
[16:07]  * AlanBell checks calendar
[16:17] <AlanBell> looks like I could do stuff on the thursday, but there are only friday slots remaining
[16:18] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: maybe I can talk and swap a session, if needed
[16:18] <JoseeAntonioR> which slot would you like?
[16:19] <AlanBell> oh, the ask Mark one obviously ;)
[16:19] <AlanBell> actually any of the Thursday ones will do
[16:20] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: let me ask the 16 or 17 slot if they're willing to do an on-air session
[16:26] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: and about the cloak update, I'd like to know if you could please approve @ubuntu/member/trekweb.joseeantonior
[16:26] <JoseeAntonioR> the GC for trekweb agrees on it
[16:26] <AlanBell> yeah, I was going to ask the others about that, dual cloaks are not supposed to happen so much any more
[16:26] <AlanBell> what is trekweb? some starwars site?
[16:27] <JoseeAntonioR> lol, nope, its a ZNC provider
[16:27] <AlanBell> startrek not starwars
[16:27]  * AlanBell fails at being a real geek
[16:28] <hallyn> hi - I've never asked for the ubuntu member irc cloak...  could i do so now?
[16:29] <JoseeAntonioR> hallyn: what's your LP ID?
[16:29] <hallyn> https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn
[16:29] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: I never watched Star Trek
[16:29] <AlanBell> looks good hallyn
[16:30] <AlanBell> hallyn: you need to register with nickserv
[16:30] <AlanBell> !register
[16:30] <hallyn> hm, thought iw as
[16:30] <hallyn> trying
[16:31] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: it's registered
[16:31] <AlanBell> thats better hallyn  :)
[16:31] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/hallyn cloak for hallyn please
[16:32] <Myrtti> one moment please
[16:32] <hallyn> (i see - i think i hand't registed since starting back up :)
[16:32] <AlanBell> yay
[16:32] <AlanBell> hallyn: you are now cloaked, thanks Myrtti
[16:33] <Myrtti> you're welcome, and congratulations on the membership
[16:33] <hallyn> AlanBell: Myrtti: JoseeAntonioR: thanks!
[16:33] <JoseeAntonioR> hallyn: congrats on the membership :)
[16:34] <hallyn> thx :)
[16:35] <cprofitt> afternoon all
[16:36] <cprofitt> congrats hallyn
[16:36] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, cprofitt
[16:40] <AlanBell> JoseeAntonioR: I am kind of interested in doing an onair session about IRC
[16:40] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: then, should I grab a slot for you?
[16:40] <AlanBell> yeah, lets do that, I will try and rearrange when I am out
[16:40] <AlanBell> any of them is fine
[16:42] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: ok, so 13 utc for you?
[16:42] <AlanBell> sure
[16:42] <JoseeAntonioR> adding you to the schedule
[16:42] <AlanBell> yay
[16:47] <AlanBell> JoseeAntonioR: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloakformat currently dual cloaks are strongly discouraged, but it isn't clear how strongly discouraged they are
[16:48] <AlanBell> I think we need to have a chat with the IRCC and other operators to find out if we can clarify that a bit and have some consistent rule about it
[16:48] <JoseeAntonioR> they're applied at staff discretion and with the consent of both GCs and the user
[16:48] <JoseeAntonioR> we can try
[19:00] <notgary> Hi there, I was wondering if anyone here could help me set up an Ubuntu Member cloak on my Freenode account. My Launchpad account can be found here: https://launchpad.net/~notgary
[19:01] <IdleOne> notgary: hold tight and one of the IRCC will get to it soonish
[19:01] <notgary> Thanks :)
[19:02] <Fuchs> *mraw*
[19:09]  * Fuchs gently pokes AlanBell :)
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> IRCC: ^
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> they have set to highlight on IRCC
[19:10] <Fuchs> ah, thanks, didn't know that yet :)
[19:10] <Fuchs> in this case they got highlighted twice now, so that should be more than sufficient :)
[19:13] <IdleOne> highlighting the IRCC can be accomplished in two ways. 1) you type IRCC. 2) you type each IRCC members nick. ex: AlanBell Pici Tm_T funkyHat topyli
[19:14]  * IdleOne tests
[19:14] <IdleOne> AlanBell Pici Tm_T funkyHat topyli you are needed for a membership cloak request.
[19:14] <IdleOne> :)
[19:15] <Unit193> I like the second, it for sure works.
[19:15] <Fuchs> I might be wrong here, but I am not sure if they are that urgent to need 5 highlights ;)
[19:15] <IdleOne> agreed
[19:15] <IdleOne> Fuchs: You make an excellent point
[19:18] <IdleOne> there is a third method that would involve a long distance phone call to an former council member who would then have to call a current council member but I think that is a little extreme
[19:20] <Pici> Fuchs: could you please setup notgary with an ubuntu/member/notgary cloak?
[19:20] <Fuchs> sure :)
[19:20] <Fuchs> notgary: you are now cloaked, congratulations to your membership :)
[19:21] <Pici> grats :)
[19:21] <notgary> Thanks a lot :)
[19:22] <IdleOne> congrats
[19:23] <IdleOne> notgary: now that you know how to highlight the IRCC you must stay and wait for your turn :)
[19:24] <notgary> IRCC
[19:24] <notgary> Did that work?
[19:24] <IdleOne> I'm sure it did
[19:24] <Pici> notgary: IdleOne is being silly
[19:24] <IdleOne> good work :)
[19:25] <IdleOne> Pici knows me well
[19:25] <notgary> Every day's a school day :)
[19:25] <JoseeAntonioR> no, no more school please!
[20:05] <AlanBell> gosh what a lot of hilights
[20:05] <AlanBell> and not one of them mentions chickens
[20:06] <Myrtti> bwaakbwaak
[20:06]  * Fuchs hands AlanBell a chicken
[20:10] <AlanBell> :)
[20:10] <Fuchs> <''3
[20:10] <Fuchs> there you go
[20:10] <Fuchs> take good care of it
[20:11] <AlanBell> I will put it in the run with the others
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> yes, i know, i've proposed an edit, see the -discuss scrollbacks (includes rewording proposed by IdleOne)
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> its weird proposing something in $otherChannel and being pinged here coincidentally ;P
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> any IRCC person around, perhaps AlanBell
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> ?
[21:31] <AlanBell> not for long
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, i'd like to get my cloak changed to just ubuntu/member/[NickServAccount]
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> but for that, i thin kyou'd need to poke staff
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> (i already have an older secondary-cloak from membership)
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> (the trekweb/ part is being dropped, and I"m the trekweb GC so there's no extra approval issues there)
[21:32] <TheLordOfTime> i think it'd just need someone from IRCC to approve and poke staffers about
[21:32] <TheLordOfTime> LP ID is trekcaptainusa-tw (https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw) if you want to confirm
[21:33] <AlanBell> ok, well that sounds fine as we are supposed to be cutting back on the dual cloaks
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> just need you to push the request to freenode :)
[21:33] <Fuchs> this is FREENODE
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> they're quite... anal... about who requests primary cloak changes for an individual ;P
[21:33] <Fuchs> are we?
[21:34] <AlanBell> so that would be /ubuntu/member/lordoftime or LordOfTime I forget the capitalisation rules on it
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> Fuchs, for primary cloaks?  last 50 i've seen, you require GCs to give the approval
[21:34] <Fuchs> we obviously need GCs request it, but I don't think that is "anal"
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, preferably LordOfTime, but i think they do lowercase so...
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[21:34] <Fuchs> AlanBell: for unaffiliated we go with lowercase, projects are free to define, imo mixed case looks ugly
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> oh, i know, FUCHS would know :P
[21:34] <Fuchs> yes, yes he would
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, its your call, mixed, or lowercase.  your call.
[21:34]  * AlanBell agrees, lets go for lowercase
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> then ubuntu/member/lordoftime :)
[21:35] <Fuchs> AlanBell: a ubuntu/member/lordoftime for TheLordOfTime, then?
[21:35] <AlanBell> yes, if you could do the honours Fuchs :)
[21:35] <Fuchs> sure <3
[21:35] <Fuchs> TheLordOfTime / AlanBell: there we go
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> thanks much Fuchs
[21:36] <AlanBell> thanks
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> thanks AlanBell, i'll leave you to your busy schedule
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[21:36] <AlanBell> night all o/
[21:37] <Fuchs> Good night AlanBell :)
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> Fuchs, i may have used the wrong word there :)
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> just saying
[21:37]  * TheLordOfTime returns to poking at php5 to make it submit to his will
[21:37] <Fuchs> maybe a bit, yes :p
[21:38] <Fuchs> but I am not really offended, I was joking. Also you are punished enough with php.
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> tell me about it
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> less so with nginx, but php makes me seethe with the rage of a dev
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> :P:
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> at least, with nginx, the SRUs go through ;P
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> ... which reminds me
[21:40]  * TheLordOfTime disappears to go find a member of the uploads sponsors team
[21:47] <notgary> IRCC: Would it be possible to create a new Ubuntu room called #ubuntu-papercuts? I'm currently reviving the Hundred Papercuts project and we could do with having out own chatroom rather than piggybacking on the Ayatana room.


[09:29] <pava2> Hello> Is there some one who can spare 5 minutes for helping me with a cloud-init problem ?
[14:51] <smoser> pava2, ask
[15:03] <pava2> smoser: I want to config growpart to expand /dev/vdb1 partition
[15:06] <smoser> you can just arrange for it to do that. via runcmd or boothook.
[15:06] <smoser> if you know its going to be /dev/vdb1
[15:06] <pava2> smoser: I know I just saw the .cfg version
[15:06] <pava2> smoser: I was trying that but it's ignored for some readon
[15:07] <pava2> reson
[15:18] <smoser> pava2, i'm sorry,, i dont follow
[15:18] <smoser> #cloud-config
[15:18] <smoser> bootcmd:
[15:18] <smoser>  - [growpart, /dev/vdb, 1]
[15:20] <pava2> smoser: thank you
[15:23] <smoser> probably quote the 1
[15:23] <smoser> maybe not needed.
[15:27] <pava2> smoser: ok, thanks.
[18:11] <harlowja> ok, @smoser any idea whats up with this https://gist.github.com/harlowja/4419d6dfa3c16cd2795d55ac11a89cb8 :-P
[18:11] <harlowja> seems to be borking now ;)
[18:12] <harlowja> did something just merge
[18:14] <smoser> harlowja, works here. i think
[18:14] <harlowja> hmmm
[18:15] <harlowja> is that acutally opening a google url
[18:15] <harlowja> hmmm
[18:15] <smoser> no. doesnt work here.
[18:15] <smoser> wth
[18:15] <harlowja> ya, jenkins started puking on this one
[18:17] <smoser> something in tox must have changed
[18:17] <smoser> in pip
[18:26] <harlowja> hmmm
[18:26] <harlowja> durn
[18:26] <harlowja> ok, i'll see about that, killing my cloud-init piepline of recent
[18:26] <smoser> can you look ?
[18:26] <smoser> i know that i ran tox on friday
[18:26] <smoser> and fucntional
[18:26] <harlowja> k
[20:34] <smoser> harlowja, did you dig at all ?
[20:34] <smoser> i have a tox on one system that works. need to compare pip list in working versus current
[20:35] <smoser> harlowja,
[20:35] <smoser> -requests (2.10.0)
[20:35] <smoser> +requests (2.11.0)
[20:35] <smoser> horay!
[20:49] <harlowja> smoser haven't yet
[20:49] <harlowja> it was requests?
[20:51] <harlowja> weird
[20:51] <harlowja> did mocking bork though, or is some mock missing
[20:57] <smoser> i dont know. one system it works for me one doesnt
[20:57] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22735242/
[20:57] <harlowja> k, i'll mess around
[21:24] <smoser> harlowja, just confirmed, this does "fix" http://paste.ubuntu.com/22738487/
[21:24] <harlowja> hmmmm
[21:24] <harlowja> kk
[21:24] <harlowja> wonder what changed
[21:28] <harlowja> maybe httpretty needs a change
[21:30] <harlowja> though 'KeyError: 'public-keys'' seems like a valid error, just need to dig into it
[21:49] <harlowja> ya, smoser the whole httpretty crap isn't getting called
[21:49] <harlowja> which seems odd
[21:50] <smoser> does it with the older ?
[21:50] <smoser> i agree, i'm kind of confused on how it was working.
[21:50] <harlowja> ya
[21:51] <smoser> not sure what to do. i planned on releasing something as 0.7.7 tomorrow
[21:51] <harlowja> https://gist.github.com/harlowja/363ac5a228a79abca0c7c90ab7a3dff3 if u want to see
[21:51] <harlowja> :(
[21:51] <harlowja> that whole request callback never gets called with the newer requests
[21:52] <smoser> harlowja, what do you think of this:
[21:52] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/22741578/
[21:54] <harlowja> seems ok with me
[22:03] <smoser> harlowja, so i was / am expecting to make 0.7.7 release like tomorrow with what is in trunk.
[22:03] <smoser> this tox not working is a pita.
[22:04] <harlowja> ya, pretty sure its cause of some urllib3 bundling chane
[22:04] <harlowja> *change
[22:05]  * smoser thinks we'll ultimately end up with tox envs of 'xenial', 'trusty', centos7...
[22:05] <smoser> and 'pip-tip' or something
[22:06] <harlowja> cools
[22:18] <smoser> harlowja, do you have a handle on this ? or should i just put == 2.1.0
[22:18] <smoser> or 2.10.0 rather
[22:18] <harlowja> looking into it, unsure exactly where it got broke
[22:18] <harlowja> trying to find out :-p
[22:19] <harlowja> but blocking it will work until then
[22:20] <smoser> k. i will just do that for now.
[22:21] <harlowja> k
[22:33] <harlowja> ok i think https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/commit/bd9e8f2271 did it
[22:34] <harlowja> at least before that it was working (minus a key error i think we need to handle)
[22:34] <harlowja> so thats at leaset part of the puzzle
[22:36] <harlowja> let me see if i can fix that easily
[22:36] <smoser> well, if you get a fix and its proper, please let me knwo.
[22:36] <smoser> if not i'll fix with 2.10.0
[22:38] <harlowja> k, give me a few :-P
[22:38] <harlowja> need more time captain
[22:38] <harlowja> lol
[22:45] <harlowja> ok smoser i got it
[22:45] <harlowja> https://gist.github.com/harlowja/428fd8efb769c1efa57597873bc4b7d2
[22:45] <harlowja> smoser ha
[22:45] <harlowja> thats it :-P
[22:46] <harlowja> the outgoing header validation not liking bools
[22:46] <harlowja> *new outgoing header validation
[22:47] <harlowja> https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/302350
[22:48] <harlowja> don't use non-string in headers
[22:51] <smoser> harlowja, works with 2.10.0 too
[22:51] <smoser> ?
[22:51] <smoser> wow.
[22:51] <smoser> thats nice. thankyou.
[22:51] <harlowja> yaya
[22:51] <harlowja> np
[22:51] <harlowja> np
[22:51] <harlowja> here to help
[22:51] <harlowja> will unbork my jenkins, ha
[22:56] <smoser> harlowja, can you rebase ?
[22:56] <smoser> and push
[22:56] <harlowja> sure
[22:56] <smoser> you're one commit behind
[22:57] <harlowja> k, updated
[22:57] <harlowja> should now be in sync
[23:00] <smoser> harlowja, pushed. dankeshan
[23:00] <harlowja> np
[23:00] <harlowja> dankemeinbubble
[23:00] <harlowja> dankemoser
[23:00] <harlowja> lol
[23:03] <harlowja> (i made those up)
[23:03] <harlowja> lol
[23:05] <harlowja> ok, time to see about packaging being built now (the part of my pipeline thats missing)