[00:28] <dre> hey all
[00:28] <dre> kwin shortcuts any help please
[00:30] <GTHK> Trying to compile a wifi driver to get master mode, I'm getting this when I run make: http://paste.ubuntu.com/345619/ | And i'm looking at this page and a few others: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/MasterMode#ZyDAS%20ZD1211
[00:32] <GTHK> Running 9.10
[00:36] <augustin> kubuntu.fr
[00:36] <augustin> hello, does anyone speak french?
[00:39] <Kage> augustin: try #kubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr
 thank you
[00:55] <r4v3nsw0rd> how can I find the device for my touchpad? I'm trying to configure my xorg.conf, and I went through /dev/input/* one by one and cat'ted all those, and none of them responds to the touchpad...
[00:56] <danielq> test
[00:56] <r4v3nsw0rd> hm?
[01:04] <krimoral> If you upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 it will mess with Synaptics touchpads and the most easy way to fix it is to do a fresh install. If thats not your case then I have no idea.
[01:20] <r4v3nsw0rd> krimoral: erm, this was a fresh install..., but your already gone, and I don't really know who I'm talking to, but yea, gonna reboot now that I added some stuff to xorg.conf manually...
[01:28] <r4v3nsw0rd> is there any place in kubuntu in which I can disable tap to click for my synaptics touchpad?
[01:30] <gnu2nix> gsynaptic might do that. apt-get install gsynaptic
[01:31] <r4v3nsw0rd> agh, it tries to install a bunch of gnome stuff though
[01:35] <Zorael> r4v3nsw0rd: You can either disable it via a terminal command once per session, or install the touchpad module for system settings
[01:35] <Zorael> The latter isn't in the repos, but it's available from some random ppas
[01:35] <Zorael> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=113335
[01:35] <shamanime> Good night guys
[01:35] <r4v3nsw0rd> huh, thats... inconvenient... lol
[01:35] <r4v3nsw0rd> thanks Zorael
[01:36] <Zorael> author ppa has jaunty packages: https://launchpad.net/~mishaaq/+archive/ppa/
[01:36] <Zorael> https://launchpad.net/~dominik-stadler/+archive/ppa/ for karmic packages
[01:36] <Zorael> Then it should show up in System Settings under Keyboard and Mouse
[01:37] <shamanime> I need some help, I've been reading FAQs but couldn't find any solution. I was using Ubuntu for some time, and recently installed Kubuntu. But vim is pretty weird. I've already removed and reinstalled it... but it won't work right in Konsole.
[01:37] <shamanime> It wont scroll the text properly and when I leave it and get back to shell all text is gone and it doesnt show the prompt =|
[01:45] <gnu2nix> tpconfig is a console app that you have to be root for. read the help. Otherwise you could try ...
[01:55] <gnu2nix> gsyanptics will work for you. you can install it, the run it as normal user, and it allows you to set sensitivity and disable tap click altogether :D
[01:55] <gnu2nix> I just tried it to be sure (linux mint ... um, it's ubuntu based hehe)
[01:57] <shamanime> Um, I just realized I had KDE 4.3.2
[01:57] <shamanime> Updating to 4.3.4 right now
[01:59] <r4v3nsw0rd> Zorael: sorry, I've installed the package, noticed no difference, rebooted, and still nothing... it seems to be what I want, but I can't get it working, any ideas?
[02:00] <Zorael> r4v3nsw0rd: Does it show up in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Touchpad?
[02:02] <Zorael> r4v3nsw0rd: May need to run 'kbuildsycoca4' after having installed the package.
[02:06] <r4v3nsw0rd> where is the kbuildsycoca4?
[02:06] <r4v3nsw0rd> oh, nvmd
[02:06] <r4v3nsw0rd> still not there
[02:16] <Zorael> r4v3nsw0rd: 'kcmshell4 touchpad' should open it, then
[02:16] <Zorael> r4v3nsw0rd: I'm using the karmic 'kcmtouchpad' package from the dominik-stadler ppa, and that works for me
[02:18] <Zorael> r4v3nsw0rd: It should install the following files: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/345657/
[02:19] <Zorael> In particular you need /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_touchpad.so for the actual system settings module (the binary), and /usr/share/kde4/services/touchpad.desktop for it to register itself as an entry in system settings
[02:32] <doil> t'es vraiment pas sympa
[02:44] <shaamanime> Meh still having konsole problems when using vim
[02:44] <shaamanime> Its pretty weird
[03:00] <Amgine_> How do I turn off the laptop trackpad completely? This is make or break for me, as it is impossible to use the keyboard on this laptop with kubuntu.
[03:06] <Alan502> My audio card is not detected! It is on windows but i lost my audio card in kubuntu, kde even prompted me to remove the drivers as they were "no longer necessary"
[03:06] <don> hello
[03:12] <Alan502> My chip is intel, by the way
[04:17] <elmermunoz> hola alguien habla español?
[04:19] <elmermunoz> hola!!!
[04:33] <nate_> no habla
[04:35] <islington> how can I minimize konversation to system tray?
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> islington: In the settings dialog, Go to the "general" section
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> there should be a checkbox at the top for the system tray
[04:40] <islington> thanks JontheEchidna
[04:41] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[04:42] <nate_> anybody know where to find a good manual to write a program for rs232.
[04:47] <nate_> take that as a no.
[05:08] <r4v3nsw0rd> Zorael: I've finally got kcmtouchpad package installed and rand dpkg -L kcmtouchpad as seen on the pastebin link, and verified that I have same results. I then ran kbuildsyscoca4 as you said may need to be done, but it still didn't work, then I used kcmshell4 touchpad, and I disabled touch and went to the settings at the bottom of tapping and made sure that one finger, two fingers, and three fingers all were referenced to none,
[05:08] <r4v3nsw0rd>  and clicked apply, and then tapped ok, and it closed... so the settings didn't apply. looking at the terminal, it states that "Property for 'Synaptics Gestures' not available. Skipping." ... any further ideas? =/ it seems so close too
[05:11] <r4v3nsw0rd> i'm trying to disable my synaptics touchpad's tap to click setting
[05:14] <Amgine_> <listens in closely, though I'm trying to disable the touchpad on a macbook>
[05:18] <r4v3nsw0rd> yea, I think he's afk, he helped me some 3 hours ago...

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[05:48] <Zed_Is_A_Good_Bo> Heya all. Anyone here is good with Wine?
[05:48] <Firefishe> I'm using Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala.  I would like to know how to set up the boot parameters so that I have only the standard terminal message bootup screen, without the splash screen.  Either that, or the splash screen with the bootup output below the Ubuntu logo.
[05:57] <antonia> hey i want to upgrade from an old version to 9.04
[05:57] <antonia> how do ido this
[05:58] <antonia> adept
[05:58] <antonia> ls
[05:58] <antonia> ls
[05:58] <FloodBotK2> antonia: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:59] <antonia> oh, sorry, i thought i was in a terminal
[06:04] <r4v3nsw0rd> yay, finally, apparently having the touchpad set up in xorg conflicts with the kcmtouchpad, so after I removed the settings for the touchpad in xorg.conf and rebooted, everything is fine... thanks Zorael
[06:05] <Pavel_> how do I restore the default plasma settings in 9.10?
[06:06] <Pavel_> In Jaunty it was deleting a few files with plasma in the name and then re-logging in but I can't locate those now :p
[07:06] <Omar87> Is KDE 4.4 ready yet?
[07:06] <Omar87> KDE 4.4 beta, I meant.
[07:11] <RussellAlan> yup
[07:11] <RussellAlan> just got brewed up
[07:18] <Omar87> RussellAlan: how do I unblock blocked updates?
[07:18] <RussellAlan> with buttons ;-)
[07:19] <RussellAlan> sorry brah
[07:19] <Omar87> RussellAlan: huh?
[07:27] <DarkriftX> is there not a default newsgroup app with kubuntu?
[07:49] <raffaele> Good morning to the chan.
[08:47] <xen_> hello
[09:59] <jacblac> hello everyone
[10:00] <jacblac> ive got a question
[10:04] <linux> nick mustafa
[10:12] <jacblac> hello?
[10:15] <Cuddletauren> hello!!!!
[10:16] <jacblac> can you help me
[10:16] <simo__> hello every body
[10:16] <Cuddletauren> doubtful, but i would hear you out.
[10:16] <simo__> hoh can i create a video from my screen ?
[10:16] <simo__> there is a program in kubuntu ?
[10:16] <Tysek> jacblac if you tell us wiat is the problem well see
[10:16] <jacblac> after upgrading to 9.10 my driver has problems
[10:17] <jacblac> it makes funny things at the top of every program
[10:17] <jacblac> i tried to install envyng but i returns me a python error
[10:18] <Cuddletauren>  simo__ use recordmydesktop
[10:18] <simo__> it's a package ?
[10:18] <jacblac> it*
[10:18] <Cuddletauren> aye
[10:18] <Tysek> simo__ recordmydesktop
[10:19] <Cuddletauren> how u get so helpful
[10:20] <simo__> ok im trying to install it
[10:20] <babalu> simo__: vlc can do that
[10:20] <simo__> i hav vlc but how ?
[10:20] <Cuddletauren> i would have to advise against VLC for this task
[10:20] <Tysek> jacblac can you tell us more info
[10:20] <jacblac> yep
[10:20] <babalu> media - open capture device
[10:20] <babalu> Cuddletauren: sorry :o
[10:21] <jacblac> i got ati radeon 7500 mobility in my laptop t41. i upgraded it yesterday from 8.04 to 9.10
[10:21] <jacblac> in 8.04 everything were fine, after upgrade it makes stripes all over the top of every program
[10:22] <simo__> and ?
[10:23] <simo__> when i write the name of video and of audio, i chek play
[10:23] <simo__> he gave me a eror Your input can't be opened:
[10:23] <simo__> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2://kubuntu simo vid'. Check the log for details.
[10:24] <babalu> simo__: Capture Mode: Desktop, and play
[10:24] <jacblac> so i tried to install envyng Tysek, to install another driver
[10:24] <jacblac> but i can'T install envyng
[10:26] <simo__> how you can save this ?
[10:26] <Tysek> jacblac moment i serching
[10:27] <jacblac> ok i try to be patient
[10:32] <simo__> jacblac i think that i did a video, how can i save it ?
[10:32] <jacblac> huh i dunno
[10:32] <jacblac> i don't even have proper video driver
[10:33] <Tysek> I'n not found nothing special
[10:34] <jacblac> hmm
[10:34] <jacblac> Tysek: is reinstalling with a new kubuntu 9.10 an option?
[10:35] <Tysek> if you start with live cd everything is ok ?
[10:35] <jacblac> i only got live cd 8.04
[10:35] <jacblac> but i could try it
[10:35] <Tysek> i have nvidia card
[10:36] <Tysek> try...
[10:36] <jacblac> oh ok nvidia is way better (back then)
[10:37] <Tysek> jacblac you have envy in repos ?
[10:37] <jacblac> repos?
[10:39] <Tysek> repository (synaptic, or kpackage install)
[10:40] <Tysek> or you try install drivers from ati web page
[10:40] <jacblac> they only have windows driver atm
[10:40] <jacblac> ok i have to do a restart
[10:40] <jacblac> brb
[10:41] <Tysek> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[10:42] <Tysek> I see linux :-)
[10:47] <jacblac> so
[10:47] <jacblac> Tysek: there is no radeon 7500
[10:48] <Tysek> a ok
[10:48] <jacblac> oh wait
[10:48] <jacblac> found it
[10:48] <jacblac> all other radeon products
[10:49] <jacblac> ^
[10:50] <jacblac> oh wait it says i have to download it from laptop manufacturer
[10:52] <jacblac> so Tysek, if my terminal says that my python is too new for envyng
[10:53] <jacblac> what can i do?
[10:59] <dagon2> Merry Christmas everybody :)
[11:03] <Tysek> too new :-D woow
[11:04] <Tysek> it's problem, but I don't I do not recommend downgrade
[11:05] <jacblac> yeah but shouldn't it be compatible
[11:05] <penta> hi, anybody here use kdevelop?
[11:05] <Tysek> you have \home in other drive/partiton
[11:07] <Tysek> if yes i thing it well be bether if you install 9.1 form cd/pendrive
[11:10] <slacker> hi guys
[11:10] <jacblac> hi
[11:12] <slacker> someone knows, why Dolphin don`t refresh folder content automatically? when new files or folders appears in opened Dolphin folder - there are no one, until I push F5 key
[11:13] <Peace-> slacker: i have noticed that tooo
[11:13] <Peace-> there is some of strange here
[11:13] <Peace-> because sometime it does
[11:13] <Peace-> sometime no
[11:13] <slacker> is this bug?
[11:13] <Peace-> mmm dunno
[11:14] <Peace-> but it's a bit strange ya
[11:14] <Peace-> i think it could be a bug
[11:14] <slacker> new kubuntu is real fine
[11:14] <Peace-> but maybe there is some settings i dunno
[11:14] <Peace-> :)9.10?
[11:14] <Peace-> or 10.04?
[11:14] <slacker> year 9.10, i`ve installed it yesterday
[11:15] <Dekans[afk]> on 9.10 I noticed the same thing
[11:15] <Dekans[afk]> it happens sometimes, not always
[11:15] <Peace-> slacker: yeah but it lasks of some packages like mplayerthumbs ...
[11:15] <Peace-> and some other stuff xD
[11:15] <Peace-> but a lots better than older release
[11:16] <slacker> yes, 9.04 was real bad
[11:16] <Peace-> here it was working fine ...
[11:16] <slacker> but network manager dont still dont work
[11:16] <Peace-> 9.04 but 9.10 was better
[11:16] <Peace-> here works :)
[11:16] <slacker> with my wi-fi spot - dont
[11:17] <slacker> it breaks link evry 30 sec
[11:17] <slacker> i`ve installed WICD - and it`s ok
[11:17] <Peace-> here i have an linksys with wpa psk and works
[11:17] <slacker> My English is bad, year?
[11:17] <Peace-> xD
[11:17] <Peace-> i am not english too
[11:18] <slacker> where are you form?
[11:18] <Peace-> italy
[11:18] <slacker> "ciao" :)
[11:19] <Peace-> lol
[11:19] <slacker> Stiamo passando dalla Russia saluti, soprattutto Football Club Inter
[11:19] <Peace-> lol are you russian ?
[11:19] <Peace-> i am a inter fan lol
[11:19] <Peace-> xD
[11:20] <slacker> yes, i am russian
[11:20] <slacker> Rubin rule! =)
[11:20] <Peace-> there is a russina channel of course for linux
[11:20] <Tysek> slacker privet :-D but I'm not from russia
[11:20] <Peace-> i think you know
[11:21] <slacker> i won to study english and speak it good, thats why iam here
[11:22] <Peace-> i am a bad speaker instead
[11:22] <slacker> better than me ))
[11:30] <slacker> in russia kubuntu community very poor
[11:31] <slacker> (little) )
[11:50] <soee> hi
[11:52] <hyper_ch> Riddell: good morning :)
[11:53] <hyper_ch> Riddell: I heard you're one of the main people in the kubuntu project?
[11:58] <Riddell> hyper_ch: mm hmm
[11:58] <hyper_ch> Riddell: well, the KDE SC 4.4 Beta 2 PPA works really nice but nepomuk requires Virtuoso and that's not (yet) supplied
[11:59] <hyper_ch> are there plans to provide it also for the Karmic PPA?
[11:59] <Riddell> hyper_ch: right, there's no working release currently
[11:59] <Riddell> maybe, if they make a working release
[11:59] <hyper_ch> what do you mean working release?
[11:59] <Riddell> a version which works
[12:00] <hyper_ch> someone in #kde using OpenSuse IIRC says he got Virtuoso supplied with his 4.4 beta 2 install
[12:00] <hyper_ch> so I don't know what exactely you're refering to with a "working" release
[12:03] <Riddell> they're using an old version of virtuoso
[12:06] <drostie> So, er. In the Karmic version of KDE, the Session Manager systems setting allows you to specify a "manually saved" session. How does one manually save said session?
[12:11] <drostie> ah, nevermind. It appears as a new entry in the kickoff menu. ^_^
[12:12] <hyper_ch> Riddell: ah ok... well, I just miss my indexing capabilities now :(
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Riddell: or is there a way to revert nepomuk back to sesame?
[12:24] <dagon2> what's the link to the kde ppa?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> kde sc 4.4 beta 2 ppa?
[12:25] <hyper_ch> dagon2:
[12:26] <dagon2> yeah
[12:26] <supersub> Kage: you online?
[12:26] <dagon2> lol
[12:26] <hyper_ch> dagon2: either use my small generator:  http://repogen.simplylinux.ch or visit the kubuntu homepage (latest news) http://www.kubuntu.org
[12:26] <dagon2> just saw the topic :D
[12:26] <hyper_ch> nobody ever reads the topic :)
[12:27] <dagon2> One should read more often :P
[12:27] <hyper_ch> but look at my repogen tool :)
[12:32] <dagon2> hyper_ch: that's one sweet thing :D Loved the generator
[12:32] <hyper_ch> dagon2: :)
[12:33] <hyper_ch> so it's not too complicated to use then?
[12:33] <dagon2> not at all :D
[12:33] <hyper_ch> well, i regurarly check the stats and where people come from
[12:34] <hyper_ch> and quite often I read "I have now those three boxes but what should I do with them"
[12:34] <shaamanime> hyper_ch: Liked the generator too
[12:34] <shaamanime> xD
[12:34] <dagon2> I'll save that link and tell my buddies :)
[12:34] <hyper_ch> :)
[12:34] <dagon2> What the heck, I might as well blog about it
[12:34] <||arifaX> how can I Alt+Shift+F12 (disable composting) do by command line??
[12:34] <hyper_ch> yey :)
[12:35] <hyper_ch> btw, you saw that there's also one for debian
[12:35] <hyper_ch> (although I don't manage the added repos there and use debian only as server so I don't care much for the packages there)
[12:38] <hyper_ch> dagon2: my blog is also fun - if you know german :)
[12:41] <Kage> supersub: hey :)
[12:41] <Kage> supersub: BTW... my service charge is... lets see.... $460... but Ill give you a discount... $415 :)
[12:43] <dagon2> hyper_ch: I do know german ;)
[12:43] <hyper_ch> dagon2: hehehe :) well, in case I don't know a language then I at least know how to use google translage :)
[12:44] <Kage> hyper_ch: German humor doesn't translate well
[12:44] <hyper_ch> :)
[12:45] <hyper_ch> ubuntulady.wordpress.com sends me everyday 5-10 people onto my repogen tool
[12:49] <heOyeA> how do u assign custom hotkeys to a script?
[12:50] <hyper_ch> what kind of script?
[12:50] <heOyeA> bash
[12:50] <hyper_ch> I don't think you can
[12:51] <heOyeA> oh
[12:51] <heOyeA> damn then
[12:51] <hyper_ch> you can assign custom hotkeys to konsole I'd think
[12:51] <heOyeA> hows that done?
[12:52] <shaamanime> Speaking of konsole, I need some help
[12:52] <shaamanime> It just wont work with vim
[12:53] <shaamanime> Vim acts weird, I get to insert/normal mode but I cannot edit the text. And when I leave vim my konsole is all black.
[12:54] <hyper_ch> heOyeA: right-click into the window and select edit profile and then find out yourself :)
[12:56] <hyper_ch> shaamanime: konsole/vim?
[12:57] <shaamanime> hyper_ch: Yes
[12:57] <hyper_ch> shaamanime: not sure how oyu mean that but check the edit profile and the different options there
[12:58] <||arifaX> Answered my question myself: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19956&sid=13dbdff1a4e196b7ae3b9199db64cb29&start=10
[12:58] <hyper_ch> ||arifaX: can you also answer mine?
[12:58] <shaamanime> hyper_ch: If I enter/leave vim, konsole gets black. No text in it... just the prompt. I can do stuff but I can't see anything, it also doesnt appear if I try to select the text.
[12:59] <hyper_ch> shaamanime: no clue
[12:59] <hyper_ch> don't use vim then :)
[12:59] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: what was it
[13:00] <hyper_ch> ||arifaX: I installed the KDE SC 4.4 Beta 2 PPA packages and now upon every reboot my bottom bar is automagically changed to that black oxygen one... that means that time and date will not be displayed... why is that so?
[13:01] <hyper_ch> also, on KDE 4.3.4, when I have an external monitor attached, and just opened the monitor settings, it auto-adjusted to the external monitor size on my netbook. Now I have to manually select the resoltuion
[13:03] <hyper_ch> and why does KDE still not have a "take-over-the-world button"?
[13:03] <hyper_ch> such a button would make my life much easier :)
[13:05] <shaamanime> hyper_ch: Fixed it? Just edited my .vimrc and removed colums/lines numbers (it was configured for gnome)
[13:05] <hyper_ch> and on my desktop I have the actual show folder (-> dektop) widget
[13:05] <hyper_ch> because on my desktop I want to have stuff displayed that's on my desktop
[13:05] <hyper_ch> but whenever I move with the mouse on folder I get that annyoing preview popup
[13:05] <hyper_ch> how to stop that?
[13:05] <hyper_ch> shaamanime: great :)
[13:11] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: because its beta :)
[13:11] <hyper_ch> ||arifaX: and what about the desktop folder preview annoyance?
[13:11] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: monitor settings do also not work fine here for me on karmic. don't use a graphical interface use xrandr on command line that works like a charm
[13:12] <hyper_ch> ||arifaX: in 4.3.4 I added a link to the Display settings and when I attached an external monitor I just had to open it and it auto-adjusted the resolution
[13:12] <hyper_ch> good day leonie_
[13:13] <hyper_ch> good day jbicha
[13:14] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: I think it relies on xorg.conf. If not present or not set up with defaults it uses maybe something of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/xxx
[13:14] <hyper_ch> I think leonie has some issues with the server
[13:14] <hyper_ch> ||arifaX: no clue... I was just happy to only be required to klick the display link and let it do its magic
[13:14] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: I also wonder why such things work perfectly in gnome but not in kde...
[13:15] <hyper_ch> gnome is evil
[13:15] <bradpitt> :(
[13:15] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: I think sometimes "they" just write a front end and forget the details. - see knetworkmanager and see networkmanager with gnome - ever tried to do openvpn with knetworkmanager in 9.10 ? its a shame
[13:16] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: but its free so ...
[13:16] <hyper_ch> ||arifaX: no, never tried it
[13:16] <hyper_ch> damn, I'm so not used anymore to the double-click on windows
[13:17] <||arifaX> hyper_ch: double click on win can also be changed to single click. that is not a good argument for switching to linux
[13:18] <hyper_ch> it's not my computer
[13:20] <hyper_ch> but I'm still surprised how well performant KDE 4.4 is on my netbook :)
[13:21] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'eubi': Linux 2.6.31-17-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.3.85 (KDE 4.3.85 (KDE 4.4 Beta2)), CPU: Intel(R) Atom CPU N280   @ 1.66GHz at 1667 MHz (3324 bogomips), HD: 69/144GB, RAM: 1906/2005MB, 200 proc's, 3.43h up
[13:21] <dagon2> I think that I'm gonna run Kubuntu on my netbook
[13:22] <dagon2> Are you running the remix or the usual?
[13:23] <hyper_ch> dagon2: didn't like remix... runing the usual
[13:24] <dagon2> I think I'll try that then
[13:24] <dagon2> :>
[13:24] <dagon2> my stupid aspire one won't charge my battery though :/
[13:25] <hyper_ch> :)
[13:26] <dagon2> and of course the warranty is not valid anymore
[13:26] <dagon2> that's typical for me, the bad luck..
[13:26] <dagon2> But Kubuntu Karmic runs like a charm though, that's a treat :P
[13:27] <hyper_ch> so it does
[13:28] <hyper_ch> it does
[13:31] <Quintasan> Just to remind you guys, Plasma Netbook Interface is still in Technical Preview, it misses few functions :P
[13:33] <hyper_ch> Quintasan: I don't see a real point in that interface
[13:33] <Quintasan> hyper_ch: why not?
[13:34] <hyper_ch> i don't see any benefit over default kde
[14:01] <apparle> hello guys
[14:01] <apparle> where is the sleep option
[14:01] <apparle> I get shutdown restart and hibernate.... I neither get sleep nor suspend to RAM
[14:04] <apparle> how to get the source of any package using apt?
[14:04] <apparle> !sleep
[14:04] <SandGorgon> !mount
[14:05] <SandGorgon> !DiskMounter
[14:13] <babalu> apparle: apt-get source package
[14:18] <jbicha> how do I set firefox as the default browser in Kubuntu?
[14:20] <Quintasan> jbicha: System Settings -> Default applications -> Web browser
[14:20] <Bonster> how do u get this desktop widget to fullscreen again? http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3219/snapshot1s.png
[14:21] <jbicha> Quintasan: that doesn't work, links in Pidgin for instance still open in Konqueror
[14:21] <Quintasan> jbicha: AFAIK Pidgin is GTK+ app and you need to set that in Pidgin
[14:21] <Quintasan> Bonster: what do you mean by full screen?
[14:22] <Quintasan> Bonster: you mean you want your wallpaper to be fullscreen?
[14:22] <Bonster> Quintasan, well it only 1/2 the size
[14:22] <SandGorgon> anyone with latest  chromium (4.0.280.0 - 35217 ) ? I am seeing the browser window vanish on several websites (w.g. lifehacker.com) - but OS process list shows chromium as sleeping
[14:22] <Bonster> Quintasan, it use to be filled
[14:23] <Quintasan> Bonster: by any chance, did you update to 4.4?
[14:23] <Bonster> Quintasan, no still on 4.3
[14:23]  * hyper_ch heard that Chromium was developped to enable Google to take over the world
[14:23] <Quintasan> Bonster: good, don't do it, did you try setting other wallpaper as filled and then changing back?
[14:23] <apparle> I cannot see the sleep option plz help
[14:24] <Bonster> Quintasan, dont think is the wallpaper, is the widget is 1/2 the size
[14:25] <Quintasan> Bonster: the wallpaper isn't a widget
[14:25] <Bonster> Quintasan, didnt said it was
[14:25] <Quintasan> Bonster: I can't quite understand what are you trying to do now
[14:26] <Bonster> Quintasan, trying to make the widget to fill the screen
[14:26] <Bonster> Quintasan, right now is only 1/2
[14:26] <Quintasan> ffs, looks like a problem with configuration
[14:28] <Quintasan> Bonster: ~/.kde/share/config/  <-- look trough plasma* files and search for 840x525 or something that looks like half of your screen :P
[14:29] <Quintasan> Bonster: or you can try moving ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* somewhere else and restart plasma-desktop, but this will reset settings to defaults
[14:29] <Bonster> Quintasan, yea i can killx and it goes back to normal, but was just wondering how to reset
[14:29] <Bonster> manually
[14:30] <Quintasan> Bonster: kquitapp plasma-destkop
[14:31] <Bonster> Quintasan, that did nothing
[14:31] <Quintasan> Bonster: you mean killing plasma or editing the files?
[14:33] <Bonster> Quintasan, killing
[14:33] <Quintasan> Bonster: you will need to edit the files or move them first, killing plasma won't alter configuration
[14:34] <Bonster> well since i can killx and it resets, so the configurations is not the problem
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:36] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: \o
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hi Quintasan
[14:40] <noaXess_kubuntu> hey all....
[14:40] <noaXess_kubuntu> merry christmas
[14:42] <noaXess_kubuntu> if amarok is running, all other sound app can't play any audio, need to stop/close amarok to get sound working.. any idea why?
[15:02] <Edg_> hi
[15:10] <Edg_> i need some advice. ive just installed kde 4.3.85 to ubuntu karmic, but when i log in to it after boot, only a console opens .. i can run plasma-desktop from that, but the windows have no heading
[15:10] <Edg_> does anyone know the reason of this ?
[15:12] <Edg_> hm ?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Edg_, have done an apt upgrade command today ?
[15:14] <Edg_> of course
[15:15] <BluesKaj> do you have any packages being held back ?
[15:15] <Edg_> none
[15:16] <BluesKaj> well, I guess you'll have to wait for someone who had the same problem and was able o fix it
[15:17] <Edg_> yeah ;-(
[15:41] <zaphira13> Hello guys sup??
[15:43] <babalu> zaphira13: ?
[15:48] <apr> is the "xorg-driver-fglrx" that is listed in the package manager different than what would be installed using the envy-ng installer?
[15:50] <zaphira13> I have a question, Which is better? And why? Ubuntu 9.04 or 9.10? And about Kubuntu 9.04 or 910????
[15:53] <apr> zaphira13: I would go with Ubuntu 9.10. It will require less updates than 9.04. Ubuntu vs Kubuntu is a matter of taste, but I would start with Ubuntu because it is more widely used. They only differ in the desktop
[15:56] <zaphira13> Yeah i noticed that, they run the same aplications
[16:03] <babalu> zaphira13: no, the applications are different; most of the applications used in kubuntu are written using Qt whereas the ones used in ubuntu are written using Gtk
[16:03] <jimmy51_> sweet.  kubuntu baseball cap came in yesterday just in time for Christmas
[16:05] <zaphira13> How can you make these apps? In GTK and Qt?
[16:08] <JuJuBee> Can someone assist me? I am getting DHCP from gateway but cannot ping the gateway or surf the net
[16:10] <zaphira13> How can i install programs in Kubuntu? I was using Synaptic in Ubuntu
[16:11] <JuJuBee> zaphira13: you can use command line sudo apt-get install {program name}
[16:11] <zaphira13> any other way?
[16:11] <apr> zaphira13: It has something called "KPackageKit" which serves the same function... I used it to install Synaptic  :)   Like you, I am more familiar and comfortable with this
[16:11] <rstob911> zaphira13: install synaptic in the add remove software
[16:12] <JuJuBee> zaphira13: what rstob911 said
[16:12] <zaphira13> thnx
[16:34] <bradpitt> hi BluesKaj :-)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> hi bradpitt
[16:35] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj
[16:35] <BluesKaj> hi hyper_ch
[16:36] <hyper_ch> it works :)
[16:36] <BluesKaj> what works ?
[16:36] <hyper_ch> if someone says "hi BluesKaj" then they get a rply from you like "hi %nick"
[16:37] <hyper_ch> *smile*
[16:37] <BluesKaj> well, maybe it's my canadian civility showing thru :)
[16:38] <jussi01> How does one tell which /dev/sda* is attached to which /media/disk* ?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> americans call us polite , we just call it civility , so what does that make them ? :)
[16:39] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: you're Canadian? That's so cool :)
[16:40] <BluesKaj> jussi01, sudo fdisk -l ?
[16:40] <hyper_ch> jussi01: df -h
[16:41] <jussi01> hyper_ch: thanks!
[16:41] <jussi01> :D
[16:41] <hyper_ch> Canadians are so much more sympathic than US-Americans :)
[16:42] <BluesKaj> sympathetic ?, not really, more understanding maybe , but we're actually a pretty tight fisted bunch
[16:43] <hyper_ch> nah, Canadians are warm, friendly, hearted, sympathic people :)
[16:43] <BluesKaj> anyway it's time for my daily walk ...BB in an hr.
[16:43] <hyper_ch> and when you enter Canada you don't feel like a criminal at customs
[16:47] <zaphira13> Hey guys i restarted my system and it doesn't use the GUI, In KDE 9.10, what sould i do?
[16:50] <rstob911> zaphira13: did you upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[16:51] <zaphira13> No, i just installed 9.10 from scratch, and i enabled my graphic's card drivers
[16:51] <rstob911> you have nvidia or ati
[16:52] <zaphira13> nvidia
[16:52] <rstob911> did you install the proprietary driver from the driver installer
[16:53] <zaphira13> I enabled the {Recomended} driver from the Hardware Drivers section
[17:18] <igor_> hello, I've upgrated to ppa kde 4.4 beta 2, but now akonadi doesn't start:
[17:18] <igor_> kmail(2716)/libakonadi Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Connection refused"
[17:18] <igor_> I have a lot of repeated mesages
[17:19] <igor_> Has anybody encountered this issue?
[17:32] <Peace-> igor_: only akonadi i have everything that doesn't work
[17:32] <Peace-> xD
[17:48] <igor_> Peace-: xD
[18:03] <Roasted> so I just installed karmic kubuntu and I cant log in as my only user. It just goes right back to the login screen. Can karmic do anything right?
[18:03] <EagleScreen> yes it can
[18:03] <Roasted> fresh install, rebooted, nothing changed - blam, cant log in
[18:03] <Roasted> Ive installed karmic on 5 computers so far
[18:03] <Roasted> only 1 works
[18:03] <Roasted> which ironically is the laptop Im working on now
[18:03] <EagleScreen> that has a name
[18:03] <EagleScreen> "bad luck"
[18:03] <Roasted> its such a disappointment. I wish I had better luck with it.
[18:04] <Roasted> bad luck?
[18:04] <slacker_> o no
[18:04] <Roasted> bad luck you call it?
[18:04] <slacker_> is is incorrent MD5 checksum
[18:04] <Roasted> 6.06, worked fine
[18:04] <Roasted> 6.10, 7.04, 7.10, worked fine
[18:04] <Roasted> 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 - worked fine
[18:04] <EagleScreen> did you check the iso image?
[18:04] <slacker_> download, burn again and try
[18:04] <Roasted> 9.10 gives me the finger on all of these systems but 1
[18:04] <Roasted> yes
[18:04] <Roasted> MD5 matches up, burned on slowest speed
[18:05] <slacker_> its imposible
[18:05] <Roasted> I logged into recovery console and added a new user there
[18:05] <Roasted> then tried to log in as that user
[18:05] <Roasted> it failed to create a home directory and gave me 3 errors about failed login
[18:05] <Roasted> fresh install too... man
[18:05] <slacker_> rewrite the image, maby disk low quality
[18:05] <Roasted> and yes, its possible, becuase it just happened
[18:05] <Roasted> slacker I've tried 3 discs
[18:05] <Roasted> Im on my 3rd CD
[18:06] <Roasted> Im not somebody who comes in here and runs their mouth. I've tried everything I could think of and even still it's giving me a headache.
[18:06] <Roasted> Im going back to jaunty
[18:06] <rstob911> best idea yet
[18:06] <Roasted> you aint lying
[18:06] <slacker_> hm
[18:06] <Roasted> heres to hoping 10.04 actually brings something to the table
[18:06] <Roasted> which Im sure it will
[18:07] <Roasted> how hard is it to pull up KDE 4.3.2 on jaunty?
[18:07] <slacker_> mb ubuntu will work correct ?
[18:07] <Roasted> what?
[18:07] <EagleScreen> Roasted: did you try to change the user password or tried a new user/password to login?
[18:08] <slacker_> you have problems only with Kubuntu or with original ubuntu too?
[18:08] <Roasted> yes
[18:08] <Roasted> I didnt try ubuntu
[18:08] <Roasted> Ive been kde only for a few months now :P
[18:09] <Roasted> its weird cause the first time I logged in fine.  I rebooted and now kubuntu did that with the failing to log in users.
[18:10] <EagleScreen> it could be an X server iddue
[18:10] <EagleScreen> X server may crash and return to KDM
[18:10] <Roasted> how would I fix that?
[18:10] <EagleScreen> using another grpahics driver
[18:10] <Roasted> I didnt even get the chance to install my graphics driver.
[18:10] <Roasted> I was logged in for 2 seconds before it went black on me and started doing this.
[18:11] <EagleScreen> yes it seems a Xserver crash problem
[18:11] <Roasted> but I dont see how I can fix it
[18:11] <Roasted> I cant install a driver. It wont even log in properly.
[18:11] <EagleScreen> have thoso computer got the same hardware?
[18:12] <Roasted> what computers?
[18:12] <Roasted> the 5 I mentioned?
[18:12] <EagleScreen> really you do not need an X session to install or emove drivers
[18:12] <EagleScreen> yes the 5 you mentioned
[18:12] <Roasted> news to me
[18:12] <Roasted> the 5 I mentioned ar eall different
[18:12] <Roasted> 2 laptops, 3 desktops
[18:12] <Roasted> 2 desktops home-built, 1 desktop HP
[18:12] <EagleScreen> are they very newer?
[18:12] <Roasted> yeah
[18:12] <Roasted> all within a year old
[18:12] <Roasted> except the HP, which is about 2 years old
[18:13] <Roasted> the one Im working on now is brand-spankin new. Dual booting it and giving it to my bro as a christmas gift.
[18:13] <Roasted> Im 1 click away from installing jaunty. Should I do that or does karmic have hope?
[18:14] <EagleScreen> if it is a driver matter, juanty shouldn't fix the problem
[18:14] <Roasted> so if I install jaunty and it works, we know who to blame
[18:15] <Roasted> Ima just install jaunty, itsnot like it takes long
[18:15] <EagleScreen> or you could get erroneus conclusions
[18:15] <Roasted> erroneus what?
[18:15] <EagleScreen> install jaunty if you want ot test
[18:16] <Roasted> yeah, linux is quick to install, Ill just do that quick
[18:16] <Roasted> its already 30% done
[18:21] <fumi> is there an eclipse like program for ubuntu? thanx!
[18:22] <yofel> fumi: why do you need an eclipse 'like' program and don't just use eclipse?
[18:25] <Roasted> eaglescreen - the moment of truth... rebooting now...
[18:26] <EagleScreen> fumi: there is eclipse for Linux
[18:27] <fumi> ty
[18:27] <Roasted> eaglescreen - *sigh*
[18:29] <EagleScreen> fumi: instal package "eclipse" with package manager like KPackagekit
[18:29] <EagleScreen> Roasted: what happened?
[18:29] <Roasted> jaunty worked fine is what happened
[18:38] <fumi> thankx EagleScreen
[18:40] <Roasted> anybody ever have logout problems on kubuntu? When I log out on this machine it just syas *checking battery state* and hangs there
[18:41] <EagleScreen> Roasted: is it an Intel graphics card?
[18:42] <Roasted> no
[18:42] <Roasted> nvidia
[18:42] <Roasted> 9400GT
[18:42] <EagleScreen> then no idea
[18:42] <Cuddletauren> EagleScreen: mine hangs and i have intel video
[18:42] <EagleScreen> in jaunty?
[18:42] <Cuddletauren> karmmic
[18:42] <Roasted> if you were asking me, Im in jaunty now and it hangs when logging out
[18:42] <EagleScreen> mine works well in karmic
[18:43] <Roasted> however, at least it logs in :P
[18:43] <Cuddletauren> what other kind of problems does my intel video cause me?
[18:43] <EagleScreen> Cuddletauren: check xserver-xorg-video-intel package version
[18:43] <Cuddletauren> i already got the latest
[18:49] <SiVA_> how do I get k3b to read the CD title text from the filename, when making an audio cd?
[18:56] <EagleScreen> SiVA_: i remember it is a fcuntion called CD-text, llok for it in options
[19:02] <soee> can i download kubundu 10.04 alpha or is there only gnome version ?
[19:04] <soee> ok nvm got it :)
[19:07] <leroy> ninja assassin
[19:12] <EagleScreen> soee: there is kubuntu alpha
[19:12] <soee> EagleScreen: yes im downloading already
[19:27] <soee> tell me pls if i create some virtual disk with virtualbox, can i snstall system on it ?
[19:29] <yofel> soee: sure, set the cd you downloaded as the cd drive for the virtual machine, then you can install the system to the virtual disk like on a real pc
[19:30] <soee> yofel: how much space do i need for kubuntu 10.04 ?
[19:30] <paul___> 2 gig
[19:31] <soee> thnx paul___
[19:33] <paul___> soees: my bad "At least 4 GB of disk space (for full installation and swap space)"
[19:35] <Roasted> I have a jaunty system here that doesnt log out. It just hangs. Why is this?
[19:36] <paul___> how are ytou logging out? via command line or gui?
[19:39] <Roasted> gui
[19:40] <Roasted> I just simply hit log out and it hangs.
[19:40] <Roasted> it also appears as if Im having trouble with suspending to ram. It just shuts off within 3 seconds after I hit suspect. Then when I hit the power button, the system fires up, but nothing else happens, nothing on the monitor
[19:40] <Roasted> not that I need suspend, I either shut down or I'm logged in, but still kind of a blah thing :(
[19:42] <paul___> did this just start happening or has it been a problem since the start.. the shuitdown issue
[19:46] <jadedtech> greetings all
[19:46] <r4v3nsw0rd> where is the cache for google-chrome-beta located?
[19:46] <r4v3nsw0rd> hi
[19:47] <jadedtech> would love some of  your collective wisdom for getting my damned ftp server to work behind the firewall....any takers?
[19:48] <paul___> you using iptables or ufw?
[19:48] <jadedtech> really a firewall issue....
[19:48] <jadedtech> ufw
[19:48] <jadedtech> guarddog interrface
[19:48] <jadedtech> iptables gave me a headache....
[19:48] <paul___> are you trying to make it accesible via internet or just the local network?
[19:49] <jadedtech> via internet (from my Android phone actually).  I can SSH but FTP will not connect externally.
[19:50] <paul___> can you ftp via local network?
[19:50] <jadedtech> yeah, when I connect wi-fi router, ftp works fine.
[19:52] <paul___> ok well then the issue doesnt seem to be ur firewall on ur machine its ur routers firewall?
[19:52] <paul___> port forward on your router
[19:53] <paul___> either that or your config file for the ftp
[19:53] <paul___> what ftp you using?
[19:53] <jadedtech> that is already set, did that at the same time I setup SSH on the router.
[19:53] <paul___> you probably have it set to local net
[19:53] <jadedtech> server or client?  client: DroidFTP, server: vsftp
[19:55] <paul___> do me a fav. let me see sudo iptables -L and vsftp.conf
[19:56] <jadedtech> you talking the server or router?  Router points to same IP address....server config <shrug>, not sure where to look in guarddog
[19:56] <jadedtech> ok
[20:00] <Roasted> sooooo not only can kubuntu not suspend on my computer, but it also hangs to reboot as well
[20:01] <paul___> roasted: can you do it via command line without any issuses... sudo reboot and sudo shutdown -h now?
[20:01] <Roasted> let me try that quick
[20:01] <Roasted> its not a big deal if I cant get these systems rolling
[20:02] <Roasted> the users for these systems are prodominantly XP, for gaming and such. I was just trying to introduce my brothers to kubuntu by having it already on here for them to use
[20:02] <paul___> as for the suspend thing... how old is the computer... cause i know i can suspend
[20:02] <paul___> cant*
[20:03] <Roasted> its brand new
[20:03] <Roasted> I jsut built them
[20:03] <Roasted> and it appears as if I screwed up KDE anyway
[20:03] <paul___> how so?
[20:03] <Roasted> I f*cking hate it when people post "official" guides on google on how to upgrade things and it doesnt work
[20:03] <Roasted> Im running jaunty, and I put the backports in to update KDE 4.2.2 to 4.3.2 on Jaunty
[20:03] <Roasted> and its hosed
[20:03] <Roasted> gah I hate people
[20:03] <paul___> no no
[20:04] <Roasted> Im just going to nuke the kubuntu idea
[20:04] <paul___> i actually just did that the other day as well
[20:04] <Roasted> what guide did you use
[20:05] <paul___> but mine was from 4.x.x to the new 4.4 beta one
[20:05] <Roasted> oh
[20:05] <paul___> its on the kubuntu site
[20:05] <Roasted> I guess KDE 4.2.2 isnt a big deal anyway, ya know
[20:05] <paul___> front page
[20:05] <Roasted> its pretty solid
[20:05] <paul___> 4.4 is sexy as shit
[20:05] <Roasted> they could just use that
[20:05] <Roasted> really?
[20:05] <paul___> yea
[20:05] <paul___> cept
[20:05] <Roasted> stable
[20:05] <Roasted> ?
[20:06] <paul___> not a lot of themes
[20:06] <Tm_T> !enter
[20:06] <Roasted> no thanks
[20:06] <Roasted> realy paul?
[20:06] <Roasted> themes on kde-look.org dont work or something?
[20:06] <paul___> yea i had a few issues when i first updated but they got worked out... other than im in love with it
[20:07] <paul___> yea not all of them
[20:07] <paul___> but like its like they said this package is still beta
[20:07] <Roasted> whens it set for final release
[20:07] <paul___> lol thats a good question let me look
[20:08] <rstob911> march i do believe
[20:08] <jadedtech> sent....
[20:08] <jadedtech> @Roasted....sounds like fun :/
[20:08] <soee> can i somehow make virtualbox window bigger, i mean the main widnow with system ?
[20:08] <jadedtech> Noticed this line in the vsftp.conf.... # Make sure PORT transfer connections originate from port 20 (ftp-data).
[20:08] <jadedtech> connect_from_port_20=YES.....what's with this if port 21 works locally?
[20:08] <paul___> yea give a sec jadedtech ill look at it
[20:08] <Tm_T> KDE 4.4 is stable in late january/early february
[20:08] <jadedtech> find anything useful int he confits?
[20:08] <jadedtech> confs
[20:08] <jadedtech> sorry...@Paul
[20:08] <Tm_T> stable as release that is
[20:08] <paul___> nice tim
[20:09] <jadedtech> @Paul....hopefully not being pushy but did you get that info I sent?
[20:09] <jadedtech> thanks
[20:11] <jadedtech> anyone know why the static ip issue with 9.04+?
[20:13] <paul___> is the static ip one already taken on the network?
[20:13] <jadedtech> nope, prior to my upgrade from 8.10TLS to 9.04, everything was static, as soon as the upgrade took, static ip settins would not allow me to do anything.  Have to switch to DHCP, relaly annoying.
[20:14] <jadedtech> luckily I learned of 'static leace' on DD-WRT :)
[20:14] <jadedtech> damn....full of typos today I guess..,.
[20:15] <paul___> /etc/netwrok/interfaces .... were you putting the static ips in there or via gui?
[20:15] <Roasted> jadedtech - pardon? what sounds like fun?
[20:16] <paul___> and as for the ftp are there any reports in your logs...
[20:16] <jadedtech> Roasted.....sarcastic comment on the hanging issue....
[20:17] <jadedtech> @Paul, via gui
[20:17] <paul___> roasted... did you try the command line shutdown?
[20:17] <paul___> jadetech: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[20:18] <Roasted> paul - no, because KDE got hosed when the update for the backport backfired. Im reinstalling karmic now. Ill try logging out/shutting down right away when it gets fired up again
[20:20] <paul___> jadedtech: your static ip is commented out...
[20:20] <paul___> you are on dhcp
[20:20] <jadedtech> yes, had to switch to thant when upgarded to 9.04 (not on 9.10)
[20:21] <jadedtech> sorry...NOW on 9.10
[20:21] <jadedtech> static lease is set on the router
[20:21] <Roasted> has anybody ever timed how long it takes to install kubuntu? I swear its like 8 minutes flat.
[20:22] <paul___> can you explain what would happen when it was static?
[20:23] <jadedtech> static setup would not let me get out any where to any machine/url
[20:23] <paul___> is this a server or desktop?
[20:24] <jadedtech> Desktop (Dell Dimension 1100), the static issue seems to be fairly wide known, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-June/189421.html
[20:25] <jadedtech> network manager bug
[20:26] <paul___> yes but nm-applet is still just a front end to it /etc/network... have to tried disbaling it and then doing sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart with the static ip unncommeted?
[20:26] <Roasted> haaaaaaa, paul, logout works in karmic
[20:27] <Tm_T> paul___: no, networkmanager is separate system from /etc/network/interfaces conf-file
[20:27] <jadedtech> well, that's a whole other issue that is currently circumventer by the statis lease option in DD-WRT.  Right now I would just like to ftp from an external connection and I'm, not sure where the hold up is.  Firewall or vsftp config
[20:27] <jadedtech> static*
[20:30] <paul___> yea been looking at it its a pain in the ass to read when its not formated lol
[20:31] <Roasted> wheres the user management tool in karmic?
[20:31] <Roasted> where you add/remove users, groups, etc
[20:31] <jadedtech> system.administration/users and groups
[20:32] <jadedtech> system/administration*
[20:32] <Roasted> were on kubuntu here, bro
[20:32] <Roasted> not ubuntu
[20:32] <paul___> jadedtech: i dont see anything wrong with your config/firewall... what ports do you have forwarded on your router for ftp?
[20:32] <jadedtech> ah.....forgot.
[20:33] <paul___> check it for me really quick
[20:33] <jadedtech> SSH (22) and FTP (21)
[20:34] <Roasted> annnnnybody know where the users/groups tool is at?
[20:34] <Tm_T> Roasted: kuser ?
[20:34] <Roasted> Tm_T pardon? kuser? I assume. I forget exactly. It was just the management tool for users and groups.
[20:34] <paul___> put 20 in there as well
[20:35] <Tm_T> Roasted: kuser can manage users and groups
[20:35] <Roasted> Tm_T - just checked my jaunty rig. Yes kuser. Where is it?
[20:35] <Roasted> Tm_t - I dont see it on my karmic desktop :(
[20:35] <Tm_T> Roasted: if it's not in the menu, you might need to install it
[20:35] <Roasted> oh really? I never had to before *shrug*
[20:36] <paul___> could always do it the old fashioned way and go command line adduser... lol
[20:36] <Roasted> paul - sure could :P
[20:36] <Roasted> bingo. Just had to install it. Wonder why they took it out of karmic by default??
[20:39] <jadedtech> ugh....no change, not that I expected port 20 addition to the router to be the saviour but would have been nice.
[20:40] <paul___> well it is the data port.... for passive or active im pretty sure
[20:40] <paul___> have you tried disabling ufw and then connecting
[20:41] <Tm_T> I don't think ufw will block anything by default (:
[20:42] <paul___> he has rules set
[20:42] <paul___> on it
[20:42] <Tm_T> ah, then
[20:42] <Tm_T> though I wonder why
[20:43] <paul___> wonder why why?
[20:43] <jadedtech> diabled ufw through guarddog, still no connection.....quickest command to tell if ufw is really down>?
[20:43] <paul___> ufw status
[20:43] <Tm_T> jadedtech: have you tried ssh connection too?
[20:43] <paul___> sudo ufw status
[20:44] <jadedtech> ssh works no probs
[20:44] <Tm_T> jadedtech: roger, that's always good
[20:44] <jadedtech> status:inactive......so we're at vsftp config issue?
[20:45] <jadedtech> from external connections only?
[20:45] <Tm_T> jadedtech: is service running?
[20:46] <jadedtech> yup, can connect locally
[20:46] <paul___> jadetech: how are you testing from the outside... are you using a browser or ftp client
[20:47] <jadedtech> test with my Android phone and about to test from a shell account....if I can remember my password for it :P
[20:47] <paul___> 123456
[20:50] <jadedtech> heh
[20:50] <paul___> still nothing?
[20:51] <jadedtech> not getting the connection it seems......
[20:51] <paul___> timing out?
[20:52] <paul___> port scan from the outside
[20:52] <jadedtech> not sure if I can from my webhoster shell account....
[20:53] <paul___> are you doing ftp ipaddy 21?
[20:54] <jadedtech> nope, just typing in the namme (going through dyndns to get to my machine).  Do I need to specify 21 on the ftp shell prompt?
[20:55] <Tm_T> ftp shell prompt?
[20:55] <paul___> well not if the default port lol.... ged ithanonly if you c
[20:55] <jadedtech> the ftp prompt in the shell account
[20:55] <paul___> only if you changed it*
[20:55] <jadedtech> nope haven't changed it
[20:55] <Tm_T> jadedtech: ah, ftp command in shell prompt, roger
[20:56] <jadedtech> trying again, seeing if it times out, taking awhile though....
[20:57] <jadedtech> you two want to try the ftp address and see what you see?
[20:57] <paul___> yea
[20:57] <Roasted_> what do I do is I try to install kubuntu-restricted-extras and it backfires? Getting soem errors now. :(
[20:57] <jadedtech> typed the open command and the address and it jsut sits there after hitting enter...
[20:58] <jadedtech> the goot thing about most of those errors is that google is your best friend I found :)
[20:58] <jadedtech> good*
[20:59] <jadedtech> finally, connection timed out
[21:00] <paul___> well... its shows port 21 and 20 opened
[21:01] <paul___> i mean
[21:01] <paul___> NO
[21:01] <paul___> 21 isnt opened
[21:01] <paul___> 20 22 and a few higher ports
[21:01] <jadedtech> ??  really.....
[21:01] <paul___> yes
[21:01] <paul___> just nmap'ed you
[21:01] <paul___> to make it was
[21:02] <jadedtech> nmap;0
[21:02] <paul___> <3 nmap lol
[21:02] <jadedtech> nmap = awesome
[21:02] <paul___> saved me so much trouble on all me servers
[21:02] <Roasted_> so I tried -f install, --configure -a, and Im still getting errors after I attempted to install kubuntu restricted extras. What gives?
[21:03] <paul___> what repo is that under? did you add it?
[21:03] <jadedtech> so to find out where the restriction is huh.......
[21:03] <Roasted_> add it? I alwyas just ran sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:03] <Roasted_> it worked every other time I used it
[21:03] <Roasted_> it says something about its erroring out on the ca-certificate for java
[21:03] <paul___> did you check the disk for erros before you installed?
[21:04] <Roasted_> I just now noticed that part of it
[21:04] <Roasted_> paul - yes
[21:04] <Bugsbane> Does *anyone* have nepomuk working with Virtuoso? Mine just always seems to complain it's not installed.
[21:04] <jadedtech> odd that I can connect locally , either at a terminal or with my phone, but not externally.  Router obviously allows port 21 between systems but is it possible to block external only?....
[21:05] <paul___> jadedtech: long story short (from exprience) change the port vftp listens on and do the same on the router
[21:05] <paul___> brb
[21:05] <paul___> and then try
[21:06] <jadedtech> best port to use alternatively?
[21:09] <paul___> 2021?
[21:10] <paul___> roasted... whereabouts in pa?
[21:13] <Roasted_> lancaster
[21:13] <Roasted_> how can I fix my java bullshit :(
[21:14] <paul___> wait is that what you been trying to install this whole time?
[21:14] <Roasted_> kubuntu restricted extras
[21:14] <Roasted_> but it errors out on ca-certificates-java
[21:14] <paul___> did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade first?
[21:14] <Roasted_> no....
[21:14] <paul___> try that
[21:14] <Roasted_> should I try it nowk
[21:14] <paul___> you just inmstalled right?
[21:15] <paul___> update yer system first
[21:15] <Roasted_> yeah
[21:15] <Roasted_> its still erroring out
[21:15] <Roasted_> oh my god
[21:15] <Roasted_> this is why I dont touch karmic. I never have anything but issues.
[21:15] <Bugsbane> It's often worth trying apt-get upgrade in a maximised console window. Often java's license accept thing causes problems
[21:16] <Roasted_> it is maxed
[21:16] <paul___> whatst he error
[21:16] <Roasted_> E: sub process /var/bin/dpkg returned an error (1), ca-certificates-java
[21:18] <jadedtech> http://www.google.ca/search?q=E%3A+sub+process+%2Fvar%2Fbin%2Fdpkg+returned+an+error+%281%29%2C+ca-certificates-java&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[21:18] <jadedtech> @ Roasted
[21:18] <paul___> did you try holding that package and then update?
[21:18] <jadedtech> ok, noob moment....what's the proper syntax for ftping to a server with an alternate port?
[21:18] <Roasted_> hold that package, THEN update??
[21:18] <paul___> ftp ip port
[21:18] <Roasted_> thank you for linking me to google, jadedtech. Why didn't I think of that before? L O L !!
[21:19] <paul___> what commands are you using @ roasted
[21:19] <Roasted_> I was at page 19 on google before I came here. <_<
[21:19] <jadedtech> Roaster yet welcome :)
[21:19] <jadedtech> Roasted.....
[21:19] <Roasted_> paul - what commands?  I never had an issue with this package before.
[21:19] <paul___> hopw are you doing it gui or command line?
[21:19] <Roasted_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras, then it backfired.
[21:20] <Roasted_> cli
[21:20] <paul___> sudo apt-get update
[21:20] <Roasted_> I did
[21:20] <paul___> sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:20] <Roasted_> when I run apt-get upgrade I get the same error.
[21:21] <paul___> hrmm...
[21:21] <paul___> jadedtree: ITS WORKS
[21:21] <paul___> lol
[21:22] <Roasted_> any other ideas paul? Im stuck :( no idea what else I can do
[21:22] <jadedtech> yeah, just got it here too!  Yeah....now let's try adding in the firewall....
[21:24] <paul___> sudo apt-get check
[21:24] <paul___> ?
[21:26] <i_is_broke> what is the command to force a fsck on reboot?
[21:26] <Roasted_> check didnt work either :/
[21:27] <paul___> @ i broke
[21:27] <paul___> i dont think there is a command
[21:27] <paul___> BUT
[21:27] <jadedtech> damn, firewall won't let me ftp in....
[21:27] <paul___> sudo touch /forcecheck
[21:27] <paul___> i mean
[21:28] <paul___> forcefsck
[21:28] <paul___> @jaded check ur ftp logs
[21:28] <i_is_broke> paul___, command not found..
[21:29] <paul___> sudo touch /forcefsck      ?
[21:29] <jadedtech> nefvermind, got it!  WooHoo!
[21:29] <jadedtech> time to test the Droid....
[21:29] <paul___> nice!
[21:30] <i_is_broke> paul___, we will find out in just a sec..lol
[21:30] <i_is_broke> its rebooting now.
[21:30] <jadedtech> SWEET!  Got that one too!.....mildly annoyed that the default port isn't working but <shrug> whatever gets the job done at the end of the day.  Thanks guys!
[21:30] <paul___> *high-five*
[21:32] <jadedtech> well....now that I am connected....need to figure out why I'm not seeing any files/directories..... :/
[21:32] <Izinucs> Is there a #kubuntu+1 or is 10.04 talked about here?
[21:32] <i_is_broke> well all have a safe and merry christmas..:D
[21:32] <paul___> you know ftp commands?
[21:33] <jadedtech> oh I know them, I meant using my droid.  See everything works fine from a shell account, the droid app does an 'ls' command automatically.....it's just showing blank.....odd...
[21:33] <jadedtech> it's like it's a permission thing?
[21:34] <paul___> not if same ursename and password for each
[21:41] <jadedtech> how do you mean?  using same username to ftp in with as I log on with....
[21:42] <paul___> wait?
[21:42] <paul___> im confused
[21:43] <paul___> ls is also a ftp command?
[21:43] <paul___> thought it was pwd?
[21:43] <paul___> wait nvm ls is as well lol
[21:44] <jadedtech> just found out that I hve to setup the passive port as well on the firewall.
[21:44] <paul___> idk... if it works from the shell account with the same username and pass ur using for droid i dont see how it can be a permissions issue
[21:44] <paul___> oh
[21:45] <paul___> cause you doing it thru browser?
[21:45] <paul___> ftp://site?
[21:45] <jadedtech> nope, shell account.....I gues I meant in the vsftpd.conf
[21:46] <jadedtech> saw this:  http://beginlinux.com/blog/2009/10/ubuntu-9-10-ftp-connections/
[21:48] <paul___> lol this is why i hate ftp lol scp & vpn way to go lol
[21:49] <jadedtech> I hear ya.....but i need to learn this first I think.  Probably more common in the working world.
[22:00] <kubian> hello..did a fresh install because plasma-desktop keeps segfaulting but still a problem..error 4 in libplasma.so.3.0.0..system is lucid 4.4b2..any idea how to fix this?
[22:03] <kubian> drkonqi is also segfaulting at error 4 in libkdecore.so.5.4.0..not sure if they are related but looks like drkonqi is trying to report the plasma segfauklt
[22:05] <jadedtech> still having issues trying to get passive to work externally....ugh...
[22:08] <kubian> quite embarassing here..trying to show off the power and beauty of kubuntu to my friends/guest..but nothing to show but the black background  :(
[22:08] <soee> kubian: what version ?
[22:08] <jadedtech> well, thanks for all your help today guys....gonna give it a break.  At least it's a good step closer!
[22:09] <kubian> soee: 4.4 B2
[22:09] <soee> try to logout and login again
[22:10] <kubian> soee: i have been doing that since 4.4 B1.  finally trashed it for a new install and still getting the same
[22:11] <dagon2> it's kinda interesting because kde 4.3 is faster than Gnome 2.28 :P
[22:11] <soee> kubian: i had the same problem with blackscreen and so i decided to reinstall system, iv installed 9.10 and updated do kde 4.4 b2 without installing 4.3.4 first
[22:12] <soee> also nvidia drivers 195 version
[22:12] <soee> and now system works perfect (except networkmanager cras when closing system :))
[22:12] <kubian> soee: this is a fresh 10.4 install with 4.4 B2
[22:12] <soee> ah so u have 10.04 thats explain a lot
[22:13] <kubian> with the regular video-nv driver
[22:13] <soee> what version is there by default ?
[22:13] <soee> 180 ?
[22:14] <kubian> soee: the plain vanilla nv driver..xserver-xorg-video-nv
[22:14] <soee> ah
[22:14] <soee> did u tried kill X and start again ?
[22:15] <kubian> soee: yes
[22:15] <soee> and the same ?
[22:16] <kubian> soee: startx, kdm the same results..
[22:17] <soee> kubian: and it happend (blackscreen) just after fresh install ?
[22:17] <kubian> soee: exactly..
[22:17] <soee> kubian: and did u installed updates ?
[22:18] <kubian> soee:  uptodate
[22:19] <kubian> i'm using it right now..but with Alt+F2 to run apps
[22:19] <kubian> soee: the thing is lxde is ok
[22:20] <talonstriker> not really a kubuntu specific problem, but I'll post here anyway
[22:20] <kubian> soee: and need to logon twice from kdm.. if that may help
[22:20] <talonstriker> is there a way i can update my hardware drivers without upgrading the whole OS?
[22:20] <soee> well i remember that when i had blackscreen i had to logout and lodin again and it wcreen was ok
[22:21] <talonstriker> i'm currently using hardy and the wireless has imporved drastically (for my card) in the subsequent releases
[22:21] <talonstriker> but I don't want to leave behind kde3 :)
[22:22] <soee> talonstriker: leave it 4.4 rox :D
[22:23] <talonstriker> my cheap ass laptop doesn't handle kde4 well
[22:23] <talonstriker> besides many of my favorite apps suck in kde4
[22:23] <talonstriker> namely kate
[22:24] <Roasted_> kate sucks?
[22:25] <Mamarok> !language
[22:25] <kubian> talonstrike: if u just need the new driver just download the deb package and then install..hoping it does not need any more deps
[22:25] <Roasted_> language?
[22:26] <Roasted_> It doesn't appear to me that anybody was using foul language. <_<
[22:26] <Mamarok> you both did, keep it on topic, please
[22:26] <Mamarok> also, discussion don't belong here, those should go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <Roasted_> No, nobody did.  I just had it back fire on me on a new install, something about the CA Certificate for Java...
[22:30] <Roasted_> I already did a fresh install to get around it since I need to get this system rolling asap, but I couldnt understand why something as common as the restricted package gave me a headache. I ran -f install, --configure -a, apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, etc. Nothing cured it.
[22:31] <soee> Roasted_: i had some problems with installation
[22:31] <Roasted_> soee - with restricted extras?
[22:31] <soee> yes, but finally i got them
[22:32] <Roasted_> soee - did you have the same problem as me, in regard to the CA java certificate?
[22:32] <soee> Roasted_: no o dont think so
[22:44] <kubian> soee: no more ideas?
[22:46] <soee> brb
[22:49] <Roasted> noob question - where do I search for files on my hdd in kubuntu?
[22:53] <yofel> Roasted: there's kfind. In Dolphin: Tools->Find File...
[22:54] <SonhadorPR>  Hey all, having a little problem with KUbuntu 9.10 not recognizing NTFS HDDs. I try to do it on GUI, it gives me error: Unable to Main Drive Authentication is required. I've always been able to access the Internal NTFS drives, why is this problem coming up now?
[22:59] <david_> good day
[22:59] <yofel> SonhadorPR: never heard of that error, do you have some kind of password for the drives or anything like that?
[23:00] <Guest95324> hola a todos
[23:01] <david_> hola mi amigo
[23:01] <Guest95324> alguien habla español
[23:01] <maco> Guest95324: #kubuntu-es
[23:01] <david_> yo hablo un poco esponol
[23:01] <Guest95324> que tal david
[23:01] <david_> nada
[23:02] <Guest95324> te escribo desde chile ¿lo conoces?
[23:02] <maco> me pardone. este canale es para solo inglés. hablan español en #kubuntu-es, por favor.
[23:02] <david_> no se, yo siempre hablo un poco espanol, lo siento
[23:04] <Guest95324> como ingreso a kubuntu-es?
[23:04] <david_> que signifca "ingreso" en ingles
[23:05] <Guest95324> como voy
[23:05] <Guest95324> intro
[23:05] <david_>  /join #kubuntu-es
[23:15] <Sinclair86> anyone here upgrade to the kde 4.4 beta package?
[23:15] <soee> im back :)
[23:16] <soee> Sinclair86: yes me
[23:16] <Sinclair86> have you had a problem with knetworkmanager?
[23:16] <soee> Sinclair86: knetworkmanager crashes every logout/restart/closing system
[23:17] <Sinclair86> what about on booting?
[23:17] <soee> nope only when im quiting my desktop
[23:17] <Sinclair86> the gui fails... and i like looking at it in the system tray
[23:18] <Sinclair86> even command line doing it... no errors
[23:18] <Sinclair86> and doesnt show up
[23:18] <Sinclair86> been thru the logs and nothing? where does it dump to?
[23:18] <soee> i think knm is buggy now
[23:19] <soee> anyway after few days i have 5.1 sound here in kubuntu 9.10
[23:19] <soee> all i had to do was to install oss and replace alsa :)
[23:20] <Sinclair86> its works... i mean changing the seetings thru app > system > network settings the gui/icon just keep crashing
[23:20] <Sinclair86> yeai had to do that as well
[23:20] <Sinclair86> wait
[23:20] <soee> Sinclair86: you got oss ?
[23:20] <Sinclair86> are you wireless?
[23:20] <soee> Sinclair86: no im using router
[23:20] <soee> cable connection
[23:21] <Sinclair86> arg
[23:26] <michael__> Why can't i not connect to irc.netchan.org
[23:26] <michael__> : /
[23:27] <david_> how do I get flash player on 9.10, terminal tells me it's part of another package and firefox doesn't reconize APT files
[23:28] <shaamani1e> david_: Try installing ubuntu/kubuntu-restricted-extras I guess?
[23:28] <michael__> I downloded flash player without a problem
[23:29] <michael__> i am a first time user of ubuntu.... now if only i could connect to irc.netchan.org  i'll be pleased with this os.
[23:30] <david_> sha,,anile: ty it worked
[23:30] <soee> david_: download deb from adobe www
[23:31] <soee> or install restricted extras as he said :)
[23:31] <david_> lol
[23:31] <david_> what do I do with .deb files for future reference
[23:35] <shaamani1e> david_: .deb files are like .exe files from windows
[23:36] <shaamani1e> david_: read about apt-get/aptitude, I'd rather stick with it. :)
[23:44] <david_> i always use apt-get but I always have the problem of not knowing what I want to install is called, and there's no lise option
[23:44] <david_> list*
[23:45] <shaamani1e> david_: If you know at least a bit of what you want to install, use the tab completion to help you out.
[23:46] <shaamani1e> Like... sudo aptitude install mysql <tab> <tab>
[23:46] <shaamani1e> And it'll show everything with mysql*
[23:47] <shaamani1e> Theres also: sudo apt-cache search <expression or what you want>
[23:47] <david_> ty
[23:47] <shaamani1e> Ie. sudo apt-cache search mysql
[23:48] <shaamani1e> And it'll show a list of packages and its description
[23:57] <roam> I can't change the size of my kaffeine. It's much too wide. How do I make it smaller?


[01:10] <technomensch> is allen in here?
[01:33] <cody-somerville> :/
[11:22] <mdke> morning all
[11:23] <mdke> technomensch: I think Allan is right about the link text in the Basics section of the WikiGuide draft, I'm going to adopt his text and move the draft to the real page now
[11:23] <mdke> technomensch: thanks for your work on it
[11:33] <technomensch> morning mdke
[11:33] <technomensch> I just got up.  looks like I forgot to log out.
[11:33] <technomensch> I was just responding to him with my comments
[11:34] <technomensch> and I just forwarded you a copy of my response to him
[11:38] <mdke> technomensch: if you've sent it to the list I will get it already
[11:39] <technomensch> I think I sent it to just you.
[11:40] <technomensch> but it was good to see the proper way to do the update
[11:41] <technomensch> a good example and I will keep that in mind as I continue to improve the home page, if there is no objections, but I will move future changes to a "Drafts" version of it instead.
[11:42] <mdke> technomensch: cool. A basic guideline is that if you are making major changes to something like the front page of the wiki, or a high visibility page, or the WikiGuide, to make the proposal first on the mailing list with an explanation. Using a Draft page works great
[11:44] <technomensch> ::nod:: understood. thanks.
[11:44] <technomensch> have you gotten a chance to look at what I did so far with that page?
[11:44] <technomensch> it's about 645am here on the east coast
[11:45] <mdke> no, not yet. It's late here but I have a busy day unfortunately. Maybe this evening
[11:46] <mdke> gtg now, see you later on
[11:58] <technomensch> anyone know how to set up a redirect from wiki.ubuntu.com page to a help.ubuntu.com article?
[12:18] <mdke> technomensch: instructions should be on wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation
[12:21] <technomensch> yea, found them before you siad it, thanks
[21:48] <technomensch> afternoon all


[06:09] <lifeless> thumper: got 2 minutes?
[06:10] <thumper> yeah
[06:10] <lifeless> incremental eyeballs on a  branch of mine
[06:10] <lifeless> just need to know if one commit is sane
[06:10] <lifeless> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/oops/revision/11529
[06:10]  * thumper looks
[06:10] <lifeless> well, I know its sane, but maybe I'm wrong :P
[06:11] <thumper> fcking loggerhead
[06:12] <lifeless> basically I missed some stuff and ec2 found it for me
[06:14] <thumper> lifeless: I'm pretty sure you don't need the ... on a line between Traceback (most recent call last): and the exception itself
[06:15] <thumper> lifeless: it is handled by the doctest
[06:15] <thumper> lifeless: but up to you if you feel like removing it
[06:15] <lifeless> oh, ok, I was following suite
[06:16] <thumper> yeah
[06:16] <thumper> I don't think many people know about that
[06:16] <thumper> and I don't think we have a standardised practice
[06:16] <lifeless> shrug
[06:16] <lifeless> doctest spec says it ignores it or something
[06:17] <lifeless> I don't think standardising that is going to be helpful
[06:29] <lifeless> thumper: so its ok?
[06:35] <lifeless> mwhudson: ping
[06:35] <lifeless> mwhudson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/memcache/+merge/35220 you approved but you didn't comment, ec2land hates that
[06:35] <lifeless> (probably suffered in the timeout mess we had)
[06:36] <lifeless> jtv: I'm guessing mwhudson has EOD'd, perhaps you could be a proxy for him ?
[06:37] <jtv> lifeless: what's it about?  I'm stuck in the rain using batteries and a GSM, so hard to load entire LP pages.
[06:37] <lifeless> making memcache controlled by feature flags
[06:38] <lifeless> its been reviewed by mwhudson
[06:38] <jtv> but not landed?
[06:38] <lifeless> but he forgot the vote bit :P
[06:38] <jtv> I can land that when the rain stops and I get home.
[06:38] <lifeless> so its marked approved, has a comment from him saying approved, but no -vote-
[06:38] <StevenK> No one has claimed the review
[06:39] <lifeless> StevenK: you don't need to claim
[06:39] <lifeless> just do a review, and if you're in the team you effectively claim it
[06:39] <jtv> StevenK: we had a bug for a while where you had to claim the review before you could do it, but that's been fixed.
[06:40] <jtv> StevenK: can you take this one then?
[06:40] <StevenK> thumper: Are you around to rubber-stamp too?
[06:42] <StevenK> lifeless: That should be good now?
[06:42] <lifeless> thanks
[06:42] <StevenK> lifeless: Now read my PM, damn it :-P
[06:42] <lifeless> did you have a question in there?
[06:42] <lifeless> I thought it was just commentary ;P
[06:43] <StevenK> I was expecting at least a comment on the commentary :-)
[06:43] <lifeless> sorry, magic 8 ball says ask again later
[08:17] <henninge> jtv: good morning!
[08:17] <jtv> hi henninge!
[08:17] <henninge> jtv: you are not on irc.c.c
[08:17] <henninge> ;-)
[08:17] <jtv> :(
[08:17] <jtv> I guess it's something this provider blocks… _sometimes_
[08:17] <jtv> Or at least, it used not to.
[08:18] <henninge> strange
[08:19] <jtv> no, it's technically illegal for me to connect to the internal IRC server (and due to contradictory laws, there's no legal way for the provider to let me connect to any chat at all)
[08:20] <jtv> I'll set up an illegal proxy.  Hang on.
[08:21] <henninge> :-D
[08:21] <henninge> jtv: I'll come visit you in jail ...
[08:21] <jtv> Not sure that's allowed.
[08:21] <henninge> ... good reason for a sprint in Bangkok.
[08:22] <jtv> They make you pay extra for the right to sleep on the floor—not sure sprint facilities are in the cards without serious bribery.
[08:23] <henninge> We'll expense it.
[08:28] <henninge> So, jtv, how is life in Mordor?
[08:29] <jtv> henninge: well the first thing you notice is this enormous black cloud hanging over it
[08:29] <jtv> I don't care much for the constant nazgûl patrols either.
[08:29] <henninge> yes, that does get your spirits down.
[08:30] <henninge> I hear the black gate is about to open!
[08:30] <henninge> but you should not leave that way, there's a huge human army waiting on the other side.
[08:33] <noodles775> stub or lifeless: time to look at a schema MP? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/627957-differences-schema-update/+merge/35073
[08:43] <stub> noodles775: versien isn't spelled that way
[08:44] <noodles775> hrm... "base version to derived versien." I'll update it.
[08:45] <stub> noodles775: So source_version and parent_source_version are debian version strings? If so we might want a CHECK constraint to ensure that.
[08:46] <stub> ALTER TABLE DistroSeriesDifference ADD CONSTRAINT valid_source_version CHECK (valid_debian_version(source_version));
[08:47] <noodles775> stub: yes they are. Thanks.
[08:49] <stub> noodles775: With the new UNIQUE constraint, you can drop the distroseriesdifference__derived_series__idx index.
[08:50] <stub> noodles775: The name of the new UNIQUE constraint should be distroseriesdifference__derived_series__source_package_name__key
[08:51] <noodles775> stub: Great - I didn't realised the two-column index makes the single-column foreign-key index redundant. And yep, I'll rename the constraint.
[08:51] <stub> So a NULL diff means it hasn't been calculated yet I assume. What do NULL versions mean? Probaly worth clarifying this in comments.sql
[08:51] <noodles775> stub: yes, different types of differences... (unique to the derived series, missing from the derived series etc.). Should there be a constraint to ensure that both are not null together?
[08:52] <noodles775> stub: er, ignore that (I was thinking about the versions fields).
[08:52] <stub> If that is what our code expects, then yes. ALTER TABLE DistroSeriesDifference ADD CONSTRAINT valid...
[08:52] <stub> ok
[08:53] <stub> noodles775: patch-2208-12-0.sql
[08:54] <noodles775> *sigh*. I need a tea. So yes, you had asked about NULL versions, so we should have a constraint to ensure both versions are not null.
[08:54] <noodles775> Thanks.
[08:55] <stub> If only one or the other can be NULL: ALTER TABLE DistroSeriesDifference ADD CONSTRAINT valid_versions CHECK (source_version IS NULL != parent_source_version IS NULL)
[08:55] <noodles775> Great, thanks.
[08:56] <stub> If we just want to check at most one is NULL: ALTER TABLE DistroSeriesDifference ADD CONSTRAINT valid_versions CHECK (coalesce(source_version, parent_source_version) IS NOT NULL)
[08:58] <stub> or just 'source_version IS NOT NULL OR parent_source_version IS NOT NULL' is better
[08:58] <noodles775> Yep.
[08:58] <stub> I'm not sure which of those two rules is appropriate
[09:00] <stub> Can they both be NULL? Can they both be NOT NULL?
[09:00] <noodles775> They cannot both be null, but they can both be NOT NULL.
[09:02] <stub> ok... so CHECK (source_version IS NOT NULL OR parent_source_version IS NOT NULL)
[13:59] <jcsackett> salgado, ping.
[14:00] <salgado> jcsackett, hi there.  let me guess, it's about that UI review? :)
[14:00] <jcsackett> yup. :-) just making sure you knew about it.
[14:01] <salgado> jcsackett, I do, yes.  haven't done it yet because I was off last Thursday and Friday, but will do it shortly
[14:01] <jcsackett> salgado. very cool. thanks!
[14:27] <adeuring> henninge: could you review this mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-581626/+merge/35281 (short, simple, boring)
[14:30] <henninge> adeuring: looking
[14:30] <adeuring> thanks!
[14:45] <henninge> adeuring: "The text for each bigs ..." is meant to be "bugs", I guess.
[14:45] <adeuring> henninge: ouch... yes, or course
[14:47] <henninge> adeuring: also, the for loop cound be a function that you can use twice, e.g. "print_bug_links"
[14:47] <henninge> s/cound/could/
[14:47] <adeuring> henninge: make sense, I'll add this function
[14:47] <henninge> adeuring: with that: r=me ;-)
[14:48] <adeuring> henninge: thanks!
[14:50] <salgado> jcsackett, did you see that your branch has a few conflicts?
[14:50] <salgado> nm, I reloaded the page and see that they're now fixed
[14:51] <jcsackett> salgado: phew. i was confused for a sec--was sure i had done an update this morning. :-)
[14:52] <bac> jml: can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/cherrypick-633926/+merge/35286  for a cherry pick?
[14:52] <jml> bac, sure. after this call.
[14:52] <bac> jml: thanks
[16:19] <jtv> abentley: got time for one just under the review limit?  It's this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/templates-listing/+merge/35185
[16:19] <abentley> jtv, sure.
[16:19] <jtv> cool, thanks
[16:29] <abentley> jtv, did you end up testing this with chameleon?
[16:30] <jtv> abentley: no, just compared to devel
[16:33] <abentley> jtv, do you think it's likely that chameleon will soon become our template engine and invalidate this work?
[16:34] <jtv> abentley: I don't know about "invalidate"—if chameleon would be faster than this, then maybe.  But would we be enthusiastic about moving conditionals into the TAL?
[16:35] <abentley> jtv, you said "If the new template engine turns out to be faster than straight-through python code, then we should probably scuttle this branch."
[16:35] <jtv> Yes.  Do you think it will be?
[16:35] <jtv> Because the speedup I'm seeing is not to be sneezed at.
[16:36] <jtv> I think it can go one of two ways:
[16:36] <abentley> jtv, I don't know.  You suggested that was possible, and it seems like a risk to me.  AIUI, chameleon is compiled to pyc, so its performance is equivalent to python.
[16:37] <jtv> (a) We hold this branch back and wait, and continue to suffer performance problems and continue to hate the logic and model access we put into the TAL, and _maybe_ chameleon will solve the performance part.
[16:37] <abentley> jtv, I am not sneezing.  I am looking at the issues that have been raised about this code and trying to determine their status.
[16:38] <jtv> abentley: I hope I don't sound contrary.  You're raising valid points and I'm trying to give you a useful answer.
[16:39] <abentley> jtv, I don't have any idea yet of whether we should merge this.
[16:39] <jtv> (b) We land this branch, and then later maybe find that chamelon is super-fast in which case we move stuff back into TAL, but I think keeping some things in the view to keep the TAL nice and readable.
[16:40] <abentley> jtv, I don't know how feasible it is to try it out in chameleon, even if it is in tree.
[16:40] <jtv> I have no idea either…  one thing though: adi and danilo did say that a lot of the overhead was seemed to be in link formatters rather than in TAL per se.
[16:41] <jtv> Scratch the "was."
[16:41] <jtv> But they identified the worst time sinks at the time, and addressed those.  After that I suppose the picture become more diverse, as it goes.
[16:42] <abentley> jtv: in the b) case, I always worry about whether there will be follow-up.  If there isn't we get tech debt.
[16:42] <jtv> True.  And in this case I think we have it either way: browser code that could be in TAL, or TAL code that could be in the view.
[16:44] <jtv> But I think the tech debt only happens if either chameleon turns out to be blazingly fast (since tonight I think it's not going to match the kind of speedup I got) or we want some change that matches very poorly with my browser code.
[16:45] <jtv> I'm using "since" in the purely temporal sense here.
[16:46] <abentley> Okay, I'm comfortable with that.
[16:47] <jtv> Note that the main loop is still TAL, so we may still get _some_ speedup from a faster templating engine.  ;-)
[16:48] <jtv> I'm being flippant.
[16:48] <jtv> Note to self: don't do that in reviews.
[16:49] <abentley> jtv, since the purpose of constructTemplateURL(self, template) is to allow optimization, would it help to take a list of templates and return a list of URLs?  That way you could do it in one database hit.
[16:50] <jtv> abentley: cool idea!  But the templates are already fetched at that point.  Adi & Danilo took care of that.  Only 11 queries for the entire page!
[16:52] <abentley> jtv, Ah.  So it's not generating lots of links?  Or it's generating lots of links but without lots of DB cost?
[16:52] <jtv> abentley: the latter.
[16:52] <jtv> Fetches all that information in one go.  There'll be a bit of Storm work to patch up the references, but that's it.
[16:59] <abentley> jtv, Do you know why canonical_url is slow?  Would you lose your performance gains if you used the ObjectFormatter directly?
[16:59] <jtv> abentley: permissions checks seem to be the main culprit.
[17:00] <jtv> That's why I also wanted the "context/required:launchpad.AnyUser" out of there.  I don't know whether that will "walk the tree."
[17:00] <jtv> (from the current object up to the site root, that is)
[17:01] <jtv> canonical_url is recursive, and could possibly do with some caching for this sort of repetitive work.
[17:01] <jtv> I say "possibly" because I think it'd have to be one of those ultra-small, catch-one-common-case caches.
[17:02] <jtv> Which is easy for me to say, but who knows if it actually works out (and faster than not doing it)
[17:15] <abentley> jtv, what's the purpose of getUserAndEmail?
[17:15] <abentley> jtv, I mean, _makeUserAndEmail
[17:15] <jtv> abentley: to create a user that I can log in as
[17:15] <abentley> jtv, You can log in as anyone you create with factory.makePerson().
[17:15] <jtv> So small that it's not worth moving to a factory, but it saves just enough that it's useful for the test
[17:16] <jtv> Can I just do login(person.email)?
[17:16] <abentley> jtv, You know about login_person and "with person_logged_in"?
[17:16] <jtv> No
[17:16]  * jtv greps
[17:17] <abentley> jtv, lp.testing, I believe.
[17:17] <jtv> yup, found it.  I'll use that fortwith.
[17:17] <jtv> forthwith.
[17:21] <jtv> I'll also pull the login out of _makeView
[17:25] <abentley> jtv, cool.
[17:25] <jtv> abentley: change pushed.
[17:29] <abentley> jtv, r=me
[17:30] <jtv> abentley: \o/ thanks!
[19:43] <jcsackett> jtv: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/no-canonical-urls-628247/+merge/35301
[19:45] <jcsackett> jtv, ignore me, i misread the header. :-P
[19:45] <jcsackett> abentley, instead i must bother you with the above. :-)
[19:45] <abentley> jcsackett, no bother.
[19:49] <abentley> jcsackett, Could you explain the conditional in lib/canonical/launchpad/interfaces/validation.py, please?
[19:51] <jcsackett> abentley: sure, that's sort of the crux of the fix. previously in that file it just fetched an email address and then the email address's Person and constructed the error message in the last clause (the else block). the bug this is fixing would then be introduced if you had an account in some state of inactive/unfinished, which would claim the email but had no person.
[19:51] <jcsackett> the if block there now fetches the best association the email address has, and then determines what sort of entity it's working with to create as informative a message as possible.
[19:56] <abentley> jcsackett, I'm not sure that getEmailAssociation is generally-useful.  Have you considered formatting it as "checkAddressAvailable" which would raise an exception with the relevant text?
[19:59] <jcsackett> abentley: i did; i think i was influenced by the other validators in the file--something about a validator just repackaging an exception bothered me, but not in a way that i can articulate well enough to argue the point. :-P
[20:00] <jcsackett> i'll make that change.
[20:00] <abentley> jcsackett, cool.  My main reason is it looks unnecessary to have the same three-way conditional in two spots.
[20:01] <abentley> jcsackett, it looks like you have unnecessary wrapping on 182 and 282 in the patch.
[20:02] <abentley> Sorry, 182 and *202*
[20:03] <abentley> jcsackett, why the blank line at 76?
[20:04] <jcsackett> on 202 lint complained before; i didn't check if it was right, just wrapped it. could be lint or i got confused. 182 you're right, i had to wrap an earlier version and didn't unwrap it.
[20:04] <jcsackett> abentley line 76 looks like my editor's import reflow macro errorred. fixing that as well.
[20:06] <abentley> jcsackett, at 187, can you pass in an email address so you don't need to remove the security proxy later?
[20:06] <jcsackett> abentley: i can.
[20:06] <abentley> jcsackett, please do, then.
[20:07] <jcsackett> abentley: just did. :-P
[20:08] <abentley> jcsackett, I think that's all the changes I can see.
[20:09] <jcsackett> abentley: going back to your thoughts on "getEmailAssociation" how do you feel about it returning an error_msg or none, and checking that? the flow of calling a function expecting nothing to happen at all and then reraising an exception feels sort of off.
[20:10] <abentley> jcsackett, you could just raise LaunchpadValidationError.
[20:11] <jcsackett> abentley: ah yes. that's obvious. i must need more coffee.
[20:11] <jcsackett> thanks.
[20:12] <abentley> jcsackett, np.
[20:13] <abentley> jcsackett, oh, your spelling of "associaiton" should probably be tweaked if that text makes it into the final version.
[20:13] <jcsackett> abentley: agreed, but i don't think the comment will survive the refactor. :-)
[20:24] <deryck> sinzui, hi.  Can you do a CSS/UI review for me?
[20:25] <sinzui> deryck, I can, but I hope salgado-afk can have a turn first so that he can become a UI reviewer
[20:25] <deryck> Ah, ok.  I can request him as a reviewer and wait.  I'm not in a hurry.
[20:33] <abentley> jcsackett, you'll ping me when you've pushed your changes?
[20:33] <jcsackett> abentley: i was just about to ping you, as a matter of fact. changes pushed and an incremental diff added as a comment.
[20:33] <abentley> jcsackett, thanks.
[20:34] <jcsackett> abentley: np.
[20:35] <abentley> jcsackett, if you attach it, rather than pasting it inline, it'll be rendered as a diff.  But I'm actually working on implementing automatic incremental diffs.
[20:35] <jcsackett> abentey: that's good to know, thanks.
[20:35] <jcsackett> (both the attach, and the incrementals being automatic)
[20:37] <abentley> jcsackett, r=me.
[20:37] <jcsackett> abentley: thanks. and thanks for helping me rethink that--in retrospect that was some truly ugly code. :-)
[20:37] <abentley> jcsackett, np.
[20:48] <sinzui> abentley, I have a few branches from the weekend that can be reviewed (they are low priority)
[20:48] <abentley> sinzui, okay, OTP.
[21:52] <mwhudson> lifeless: i'm pretty sure i voted on everything, but maybe stuff got eaten by the issues yesterday :(
[21:54] <lifeless> yes
[21:54] <lifeless> you can check if you want :P
[22:30] <mwhudson> i thought i did check everything
[22:30] <mwhudson> oh well
[22:38] <lifeless> mwhudson: you commented 'seems fine', approved the rview, but your comment wasn't marked 'approve'
[22:38] <mwhudson> ah


[02:55] <lamont>  /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12/debian/build/build-hppa64/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: hppa64-linux-gcc-3.4: command not found
[02:55] <lamont> grumble
[02:55] <lamont> now to figure out if that's a problem with the chroot, or the package
[06:17] <fabbione> mornign
[03:21] <infinity> fabbione : #ubuntu-toolchain ... I misfired.


[00:38] <mhall119> newz2000: why YUI?
[00:38] <mhall119> the API doesn't seem nearly as nice as jQuery or ExtJS
[14:35] <newz2000> mhall119: when the decision was made YUI's UI library was far more complete than jQuery's and that was an important feature for some of the teams.
[14:35] <newz2000> it is one of those decisions that was not embraced unanimously with enthusiasm
[15:11] <mhall119> I see
[16:58] <cjohnston> stas: can you please take a look at bug 731443
[16:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 731443 in ubuntu-website "photo slide show on uds.u.c goes too fast (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731443
[17:03] <stas> cjohnston: how slow?
[17:04] <stas> now its like 5s cooldown
[17:04] <czajkowski> Aloha
[17:05] <cjohnston> stas czajkowski ^
[17:05] <stas> czajkowski: hello :)
[17:05] <czajkowski> you rang
[17:05] <stas> czajkowski: i'm here to help with uds.u.c
[17:05] <czajkowski> stas: great
[17:05] <cjohnston> How slow was the question czajkowski
[17:05] <czajkowski> can you slow those pics changing on uds.
[17:05] <czajkowski> well saying slower I know isn't the right answer
[17:05] <stas> czajkowski: right now it uses 5s cooldown
[17:05] <czajkowski> but they seem to change very fast it's distracting
[17:06] <stas> hmm, 10s?
[17:06] <czajkowski> stas: sure
[17:06] <czajkowski> we'll give that a lash and see sure
[17:07] <stas> cjohnston: since uds.u.c may require more and more tweaking, do you mind if we fork current light-wordpress-theme for it?
[17:07] <stas> i can see the theme wasn't updated yet from bzr
[17:07] <cjohnston> it was
[17:07] <cjohnston> stas: not right now about the fork... I have something in mind
[17:08] <cjohnston> mind if we talk about that part later?
[17:09] <stas> sure... or maybe i will just right a small plugin with required changes
[17:10] <stas> i think there was a request already for search input or something like that
[17:10] <stas> cjohnston: the theme is not the latest, it says Version: 0.2-light, and it should be 0.2
[17:11] <cjohnston> the bgus were fixed tho
[17:13] <cjohnston> hmm
[17:13] <cjohnston> it went back to old it looks liek
[17:28] <cjohnston> stas: look at uds.u.c please
[17:29] <stas> yep thats the latest
[17:29] <cjohnston> the bar seems correct
[17:29] <cjohnston> but the arrow is still off
[17:30] <stas> the arrows and the layout is broken
[17:30] <stas> let me check
[17:35] <stas> first, there's missing some closing tag, the footer looks broken
[17:37] <cjohnston> is that just in the one on uds.u.c or in the light-wordpress-theme?
[17:37] <stas> no, only on uds.u.c
[17:37] <stas> the footer on travel looks ok
[17:38] <stas> 1st page has some broken layout
[17:38] <cjohnston> hmm
[17:38] <stas> also, could you delete the newlines between the images in class="slider" element?
[17:38] <cjohnston> I don't have access
[17:39] <stas> hmm, who has?
[17:39] <cjohnston> checking


[05:21]  * pleia2 preps newsletter
[05:24] <pleia2> sigh, didn't get around to setting up the questions like I was supposed to for this issue
[05:26] <pleia2> and press articles still need summaries, I'll work on those last if no one else is around
[05:59] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue495
[21:54] <PaulW2U> editorial review done
[22:07] <pleia2> thanks paul