[02:31] <charlie-tca> set irc.color.item_away !white
[13:26] <charlie-tca> wiki/moinmoin upgrade today in about 11 hours
[13:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe it will help with the slowness and errors !
[13:27] <knome> awwh
[13:31] <charlie-tca> We can hope, can'
[13:31] <charlie-tca> We can hope, can't we?
[13:32] <knome> yes, but let's not keep too high expectations
[13:33] <charlie-tca> Mine are already soaring... ;)
[13:41] <knome> just remember that it hurts more when you start falling higher
[13:47] <charlie-tca> oh, very true
[14:02] <TheSheep> btw, if you have any trouble with moinmoin...
[14:02]  * TheSheep points to his cloak
[14:07] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: moinmoin desktop edition will not work with python higher than 2.6
[14:09] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: desktop edition is discontinued since a while, regular moin can be now run on your desktop
[14:13] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: also, I rather meant help with config and troubleshooting, you can file bug reports yourself ;)
[14:13] <charlie-tca> Running moinmoin 1.9.3
[14:14] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: I had to hope you would know how to make it work with a higher version of python, since 2.6 is being phased away
[14:14] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: can you pastebin the traceback?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> oh, no, I dumped the trace and went back to 2.6, so I could use it.
[14:15] <charlie-tca> I will have to reset everything, grab the trace, and try this again, huh?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> wait, let me try something.
[14:16] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I can try installing it and running it locally
[14:16] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: later today
[14:19] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: but I'm pretty sure that all the devs use newest python
[14:20] <charlie-tca> here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/
[14:20] <charlie-tca> What' s the newest? I thought it was 1.9.3
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: it is, but I only have a repository checkout at the moment
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: what I meant by "all devs use newest python" is that it was tested with 2.7 for sure
[14:25] <charlie-tca> oh, I ran the trace. Is it time to file a bug?
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: so the error might be in your config
[14:25] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: please pastebin the trace
[14:26] <charlie-tca> here it is - http://paste.ubuntu.com/627958/
[14:27] <TheSheep> why is it trying to execute  "CharlieKravetz/BugNotes" ?
[14:27] <TheSheep> do you have any custom plugins?
[14:27] <charlie-tca> because it doesn' t fail until I open a page in the browser
[14:28] <charlie-tca> then it fails for any page
[14:28] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: I don' t think I have any custom plugins
[14:29] <charlie-tca> astraljava, Unit193 : images won't install yet. We do have 386 images only today.
[14:29] <charlie-tca> If anyone tries the desktop image, we want to know if there is a Xubuntu session?
[14:29] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: ok, I'm digging into it, thanks for the report
[14:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks for looking at it. Let me know if I should file a bug report
[14:30] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: ok, found it, you have to clear the cache
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Really?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> I will try that then
[14:31] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: moinmoin caches things as pickles that contain python code too
[14:47] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sure I can try later this evening.
[16:14] <charlie-tca> astraljava: never mind. The desktop cd is broken too. It might be fixed tomorrow, since they rebuilt Ubuntu today and it is working with 20110616.1 only
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Do we want to do a Developer Week session ?
[16:24] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: xfce packages are liste in the manifest at least
[16:24] <mr_pouit> *listed
[16:26] <charlie-tca> nothing works though. No 64bit images for anyone today, and they just rebuilt ubuntu to make it work
[16:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Should I sign up for Developer Week this time?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> It gets word out, but you might have all the help we want this cycle?
[16:28] <mr_pouit> well, we've caught micahg :P (maybe we should add him to xubuntu-dev on LP so he can't escape anymore)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> I think we should. He is doing a lot for us
[18:34]  * micahg waves
[18:34]  * knome tickles micahg
[18:35] <micahg> hehe, stop that...
[18:36] <pleia2> knome: when I open the new xubuntu theme on my mini9 (1024 resolution) the image+javascript spills out of the white box
[18:36] <pleia2> any way we can make it stay inside?
[18:37] <knome> pleia2, sure, we just need to fix the width for the imageslider column
[18:37] <pleia2> cool
[18:37] <ochosi> will you add arrows to the slider as well?
[18:39] <knome> ochosi, probably not, but if that's a common wish, then i suppose i could do that.
[18:39]  * ochosi == common? ;)
[18:39] <knome> nope :P
[18:40] <ochosi> not sure, most of the sliders on websites i know have those arrows
[18:40] <ochosi> so i kinda got used to them and expect them
[18:41] <knome> i know, but i suppose that also depends on the usecase
[18:41] <ochosi> yeah, but i'm really talking about very similar usecases
[18:41] <knome> mmh
[18:42] <ochosi> btw, what about a tiny drop shadow around the outline?
[18:42] <ochosi> would make it feel a bit more "spacial"
[18:42] <knome> lol
[18:42] <knome> well
[18:42] <knome> you mean the whole page outline?
[18:42] <ochosi> ye
[18:43] <knome> maybe
[18:43] <knome> need to think that tomorrow, or weekend
[18:44] <ochosi> e.g. this one has nice drop shadows around the boxes: http://elementaryos.org/discover/
[18:44] <knome> right, well, at least css3 is okay
[18:45] <knome> i'm not sure if it's worth it with non-css3
[18:45] <micahg> any css3 stuff should still degrade gracefully
[18:45] <ochosi> css3-only +1
[18:46] <micahg> i.e. the spec isn't finalized and support still isn't there across the board
[18:46] <knome> micahg, yeah.
[18:46] <knome> micahg, but the question was about delivering the effect to non-css3-supporting browsers, and i don't think that's worth it
[18:47] <micahg> ah, ok, as long as it still looks good on non css3 browsers, I think it's fine to make CSS3 browsers super awesome
[18:47] <ochosi> :)
[18:48] <ochosi> knome: did you hear that? make it super-awesome you css3-daredevil ;)
[18:48] <knome> :P
[18:48] <charlie-tca> which browsers are non css3?
[18:48] <knome> i'll make it look like ochosi's poop
[18:48] <micahg> and of course if you guys find something not supported in Firefox, we'll work to get that fixed :)
[18:48] <knome> charlie-tca, firefox <4, ie <9, ...
[18:48] <knome> micahg, what about the full css3 spec? :P
[18:49] <micahg> knome: if you get it finished and accepted, I'm sure Mozilla will add missing support :)
[18:49] <charlie-tca> old ones, only? or will we be including midori, opera, etc in not looking good?
[18:49]  * micahg isn't sure about webkit and CSS3
[18:50] <knome> charlie-tca, i don't know that well. maybe micahg knows better. but as he said, css3 degrades gracefully, so no problem even if it looked awesome on ff4 & co :)
[18:50] <micahg> knome: no, I didn't say that, I said that you should make sure whatever you add degrades gracefully :)
[18:51] <micahg> err...I didn't mean to say that
[18:51] <charlie-tca> I am more concerned with the ones it doesn' t look awesome on. We do want things working right, with midori, epiphany, firefox, etc, at least the later versions
[18:51] <charlie-tca> If a user in lucid has issues with the site because the browser isn' t up-to-date enough, the site is not okay.
[18:52] <knome> charlie-tca, no, css3 will degrade gracefully, so that's not a problem.
[18:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: mr_pouit how about switching evince for epdfview
[19:58] <charlie-tca> does epdfview offer us anything?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> What is the difference in using them, do we gain anything?
[19:59] <micahg> well, evince pulls in gnome libs
[20:00] <micahg> also, it's GTK3 now, epdfview is GTK2
[20:00] <charlie-tca> but what about functionallity? If we are losing something, that would be bad.
[20:00] <micahg> evince does a lot more formats, but I wonder if anyone cares about them
[20:00] <micahg> !info evince
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Oh, well, I am all for epdfview then! :)
[20:01] <micahg> It can display and print
[20:01] <micahg>  PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI and Portable
[20:01] <micahg>  Document Format (PDF) files.
[20:01] <micahg> do we care about anything but PDF?
[20:01] <micahg> if no, then epdfview should be fine
[20:01] <charlie-tca> They can install evince if they really want those. epdfview does let you read / print pdf files?
[20:01] <micahg> yep
[20:01] <charlie-tca> "pdf"  should be the key here
[20:02] <charlie-tca> bluefish lets me read almost file, but it is not default either
[20:02] <charlie-tca> It is kind of overkill for just a text editor
[20:08] <astraljava> Hi. Network issues still continue from yesterday, so I'm gonna bail out and have some sleep instead. Tomorrow I need to call the support line and ask around, as I noticed from their service notifications that they made some big software updates on their network devices yesterday. Clearly something's bust.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> micahg: no objection if mr_pouit agrees


[01:14] <nhandler> If anyone is interested in trying out the script I started working on today: bzr branch lp:~nhandler/+junk/irc-log-viewer
[10:15] <WastedYears> hai


[20:11] <rebeldevil> ciao a tutti
[20:15] <rebeldevil> ciao
[20:18] <rebeldevil> ciao
[21:14] <tanath> i thought this was an open source community. why do i have to be logged in to browse ubuntuforums??
[21:16] <tanath> hrm. ok, this doesn't seem to be true of all threads. why then are some not browseable (yet still show up on google)


[00:07] <Flannel> DangerousEric03: could be a troll, since "el speako el spanisho" isn't... yeah.
[00:14] <ikonia> two guys are the same - both same french ip
[00:14] <Pici> also, they're gone, may have been klined.
[00:15] <ikonia> quick turn around
[00:23] <ikonia> hello alan_m what's up
[00:23] <alan_m> I am getting  private messages from 2 users about joining rooms.....
[00:23] <Pici> From what nicks?
[00:23] <ikonia> which users
 Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin.
[00:23] <elexodus__> hey guys
 If you are a guy and wish to wear a bra, or do wear a bra, you do not have a problem and it is not abnormal. Many men feel the desire to wear bras, from average joes to celebrities. Visit http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/hellotaxi to be a part of a community of men who like to wear bras. Remember, men who wear bras are not abnormal, they are just like anyone else. So quit worrying and just wear a bra today, worry free!
[00:23] <elexodus__> exactly
[00:23] <ikonia> alan_m: they are not in #ubuntu
[00:23] <ikonia> Pici: same IP as before
[00:24] <ikonia> they are gone now
[00:24] <elexodus__> thank you
[00:25] <ikonia> freenode staff appear to be sharp tonight
[00:25] <elexodus__> ;)
[00:25] <alan_m> freenode staffers always on it ;)
[00:25] <alan_m> gotta love our staffers :)
[00:25] <alan_m> anyways thats all i had to address...bye :)
[00:26] <ikonia> thanks alan_m
[00:26] <alan_m> your welcome
[00:26] <ikonia> elexodus__: anything else from you ?
[00:27] <elexodus__> not since you said it stopped.
[00:27] <elexodus__> It was nasty...
[00:27] <ikonia> great, please feel free to leave and return to #ubuntu
[00:27] <elexodus__> a bunch of junk about bras for men.
[00:27] <elexodus__> c ya there.
[00:29] <elexodus__> got another annoying ad
[00:29] <elexodus__> in #ubuntu
[00:31] <ikonia> elexodus__: what nick
[00:31] <ikonia> elexodus__: the last ones where not in #ubuntu
[00:31] <elexodus__> TYLER_DA_MAN
[00:32] <elexodus__> well, it's a Pm
[00:32] <elexodus__> technically
[00:32] <ikonia> elexodus__: he's not in #ubuntu
[00:32] <ikonia> so it's nothing the ubuntu staff can resolve for you
[00:32] <ikonia> the user has been removed, but please report this to freenode if it is nothing to do with ubuntu
[00:32] <elexodus__> true
[00:32] <ikonia> #freenode is available as a channel to interact with the freenode staff and community (type /topic when you join for info)
[03:30] <bazhang> yay for typhoon days
[03:32] <nalioth> we get hurricanes here
[03:32] <bazhang> :)
[03:38] <bazhang> asking for help with pirated software (windows , mac, whatever) should be a warning then a remove if they persist imo
[04:29] <bazhang> gene2
[04:40] <nalioth> any grub experts here?
[04:42] <nickrud> nalioth this isn't a help channel ;p
[04:43] <nalioth> nickrud: i'm trying to help someone who doesn't need any BS
[04:45]  * Hobbsee wonders hwo expertly the 'experts' need to be
[04:46] <nalioth> dunno, the help is not for me
[04:46] <nalioth> Hobbsee: did you want to volunteer?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> i don't know if i'll be able to solve the problem, without more info.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> and i wouldn't want to be creating trouble, by saying yes, then not knowing the answer.
[04:48] <Flannel> nalioth: Whats the question?
[04:49] <nalioth> Flannel: i have no idea
[04:50] <bazhang> try #ubuntu
[04:50] <nalioth> bazhang: yes, thanks.
[04:51] <nalioth> i have a person who uses a braille reader asking.  how long do you think this person would make it in #ubuntu ?
[04:51]  * nalioth has his reasons
[04:55] <bogeyman> all i asked was how to burn a dmg file its non of ur business what file im trying to burn
[04:56] <bogeyman> as for u dont need to know and all i want is like what program supports burning the dmg files
[04:56] <bazhang> bogeyman, it is the os x installer file, which is piracy and not allowed in #ubuntu channels.
[04:56] <bazhang> bogeyman, you were asked to stop at that point and continued nonetheless.
[04:56] <bogeyman> why does it matter u dont even need to know what file im trying to burn
[04:58] <bazhang> bogeyman, you said so yourself it was the os x installer file; if it were some other file, linux has equivalents, so important to know what you are trying to burn.
[04:58] <nalioth> bazhang: it's not piracy if he's replacing a lost disc
[04:58] <nalioth> bogeyman: i suggest you ask apple questions in apple channels
[04:58] <bogeyman> speaking of that i got the image from apple
[04:58] <bazhang> nalioth, os x only runs on apple hardware.
[04:59] <bogeyman> yep and i got a laptop im trying to install it to
[04:59] <bogeyman> and its a backup of what came with the system
[04:59] <bogeyman> so hwo do u automatically assume its piracy and ban me
[04:59] <bogeyman> this is some bs for real
[04:59] <bazhang> you dont get an image from apple, you get an installer disk.
[04:59] <nalioth> bazhang: i am aware of OS X and Apple stuff ( i own several and operate ##apple )
[05:00] <nalioth> bazhang: it's not piracy if he's lost his original
[05:00] <bogeyman> i got this pc gave to me and the dude only had the image of the recovery cd
[05:00] <bogeyman> and how is the recovery cd piracy?
[05:00] <bogeyman> when it came with this pc
[05:00] <bogeyman> all i asked was how to burn a .dmg
[05:00] <nalioth> i'm lost now.
[05:00] <bogeyman> nothing else
[05:01] <bogeyman> whatever idk ill change subnet/ip bye
[05:01] <nalioth> you're trying to burn an Apple OS X installer dmg for a PC ?
[05:01] <bogeyman> not worth it
[05:01] <bazhang> dont bother; you are unbanned bogeyman
[05:01] <bogeyman> no im trying to burn a image of my recovery cd for my macbook
[05:01] <bogeyman> its s dmg
[05:01] <bogeyman> a*
[05:01] <bogeyman> but i only got windows and ubuntu to do it with
[05:02] <bazhang> bogeyman, you may rejoin now
[05:02] <bogeyman> sorry bout that
[05:02] <bazhang> my mistake bogeyman
[05:02] <bogeyman> i didnt mean for it to be all like that
[05:02] <bogeyman> ic where u coming from man no regrets
[05:03] <bogeyman> ty
[05:03] <bazhang> thanks
[05:04] <bazhang> the part about not piracy if you have the original is not case law; just a general rule of thumb; though this was clearly not applicable here
[05:04] <bazhang> nalioth, ^^
[05:04] <Flannel> bazhang: You're allowed to make personal copies for backup purposes.
[05:04] <nalioth> Apple has pretty much said that if you own the machine, you are licensed a copy of the OS that came on it
[05:04] <bazhang> Flannel, right
[05:04] <nalioth> as they gain market share, this may change . . .
[05:05] <bazhang> one should append it to "apple says..."
[05:05] <bazhang> for movies, music etc that is not the case
[05:06] <bazhang> etc=windows
[05:07] <nalioth> yes, which is why i suggested he ask about Apple stuff in Apple channels
[05:07] <bazhang> cf Pro-IP act, Pirate ACT and ACTA, soon to be law
[05:08] <bazhang> assuming of course that #ubuntu policies follow American legal standards.
[05:15] <bazhang> hi dmwaters
[05:16] <dmwaters> where does ubuntu put the kernel modules that load on boot, in terms of where you specifywhat modules you want to load on boot?
[05:19] <bazhang> dmwaters, this is not a support channel
[05:19] <dmwaters> bazhang: blame nalioth, he suggested i ask here because it's less busy:P
[05:20] <bazhang> dmwaters, aha
[05:20] <bazhang> dmwaters, what about #ubuntu-classroom
[05:21] <bazhang> it is empty now and perhaps more suitable than here dmwaters
[05:22] <nalioth> bazhang: it's fine here. dmwaters just has the one question
[05:22] <nalioth> dmwaters is staff, btw.
[05:23] <bazhang> nalioth, okay; he is in the other room now as well
[05:45] <bazhang> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-load-a-kernel-module-automatically-at-boot-time/
[05:48] <bazhang> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-August/090946.html
[05:49] <bazhang> http://fawadnazir.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/how-to-load-kernel-modules-at-boot-time/
[05:50] <bazhang> http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu_p2
[05:50] <bazhang> those are all links for the question dmwaters asked
[05:50] <bazhang> nalioth, ^^
[05:51] <bazhang> without more specificity that is the best one can do
[05:56] <nalioth> bazhang: dmwaters sends thanks
[05:57] <bazhang> nalioth, if he could be more precise then I will look for more
[05:57] <nalioth> i think dmwaters has fixed their problem
[05:57] <nalioth> not sure, but they're happier now.
[05:59] <bazhang> great :)
[06:55] <nickrud> !staff| needed in ubuntu
[07:00] <jpds> Hey uWzxngLaVbT, how may we help you today?
[07:00] <nalioth> major bot swarm hitting now
[07:00] <nickrud> loverly
[07:04] <nalioth> is summer close to over yet?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> no
[07:24]  * jpds hmms at /who <IP_ADDRESS> .
[07:27] <nalioth> what tune?
[07:29] <jpds> :)
[07:52] <ikonia> jpds: the hostmask of uWzxngLaVbT was a real pain - it was ban forwared ( I suspect thats why he was here ) as I recall two kids from school
[07:53] <ikonia> can't see anything in BT but I recognise that hostmask
[07:53] <ikonia> ahh hit is in there
[07:53] <ikonia> it
[07:53] <jpds> Ah, ok.
[07:53] <ikonia> 1 bans one from #ubuntu and one from -ops (removeD)
[07:54] <ikonia> my typing is off- sorry
[07:58] <nalioth> that person needsto be careful
[07:59] <ikonia> blocking his whole school ?
[07:59] <nalioth> he's two steps toward "i am a small part of the larger bot swarm"
[07:59] <ikonia> or because he's on a mailhost
[07:59] <ikonia> is he doing the bot thing again ?
[07:59] <nalioth> ikonia: not sure if you blinked, but a large swarm was just shown the door
[08:00] <ikonia> I wasn't watching ubuntu I've only just got up, my screen was still here and I noticed jpds comment
[08:00] <ikonia> I'm sure the school would be very interested to know what it's resources where being used for
[08:01] <ikonia> looks like it's spoofed
[08:01] <ikonia> no such domain
[08:02] <ikonia> oh no
[08:02] <nalioth> of course it's spoofed
[08:02] <ikonia> it's there
[08:02] <ikonia> I'm not sure
[08:02] <nalioth> mailbox.thw.coventry.sch.uk has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:03] <ikonia> I assume he's not on that
[08:05]  * Hobbsee raises eyebrows at people
[08:05] <Hobbsee> i'm always surprised at why people enter -bugs, post a bug, then wait.
[08:06] <ikonia> as in "fix it"
[08:07] <Flannel> Hobbsee: didn't you hear?  #ubuntu-bugs is turning into a "fix it while you wait" establishment.  1 hour or your next one's free!
[08:07] <Hobbsee> hah
[08:07] <Hobbsee> that'd be right..
[08:07] <Myrtti> oh that ip
[08:07] <Myrtti> I sent them email last week
[08:07] <Myrtti> no response yet
[08:26] <Flannel> ok... Floodbots are crazy
[08:26] <Flannel> Someone needs to tweak them
[08:29] <Myrtti> what
[08:29] <Myrtti> what's wrong then
[08:30] <Flannel> Myrtti: It warned me
[08:31] <Flannel> and I wasn't even talking all that fast
[10:06] <Gary> win 6
[10:10]  * jpds sends £6 to Gary.
[10:10] <Gary> lol
[10:10] <Gary> my / sometimes fails
[10:11] <jpds> Gary: Tip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/31213/
[10:13] <Gary> woo
[10:13]  * Gary hugs
[10:14] <jpds> :)
[10:15] <Myrtti> http://koti.phnet.fi/~laxstrom/page/eng/irssi
[10:17] <jpds> Anyone know why this doesn't know: /hilight Warning: -mask *@ubuntu/bot/floodbot -color %Y
[10:20] <jpds> s/know/work/
[10:22] <Gary> now I get to post lots of
[10:22] <Gary> 6
[10:22] <Gary> instead :-)
[10:28] <Myrtti> jpds: managed to replicate
[10:28] <Myrtti> I can't add any patterns it should replicate
[10:28] <Myrtti> s/replicate/hilight/
[10:29] <jpds> How?
[10:29] <Myrtti> you can have /hilight -color %B -mask *!*@ubuntu/bot/floodbot
[10:29] <Myrtti> but not /hilight -color %B -mask *!*@ubuntu/bot/floodbot users
[10:30] <Myrtti> but not /hilight users -color %B -mask *!*@ubuntu/bot/floodbot
[10:30] <Myrtti> äh
[10:30] <jpds> Maybe adding: -channels #ubuntu-ops-monitor too.
[10:30] <Myrtti> I doubt it
[10:31] <jpds> I only want to hilight them when they say: "Warning:" tho.
[10:31] <Myrtti> "minor details"
[10:31] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[10:32] <Myrtti> for testing purposes "users" is a good string
[10:34] <Myrtti> jpds: so did you get it to work?
[10:35] <Myrtti> I'm starting to suspect it will not work
[10:35] <jpds> I've done: /hilight -color %Y -channels #ubuntu-ops-monitor Warning
[10:37] <Myrtti> but that still leaves you with...
[10:37] <Myrtti> me saying Warning Warning!
[10:37] <jpds> hehe :)
[10:57] <jussi01> ATTENTION! stdin has kindly updated the bansearch command, and its now new and improved :) Try it today :D
[10:57] <jussi01> @bansearch fujisan
[10:57] <jpds> @bansearch jussi01
[10:58] <jpds> Oh cool.
[10:58] <jussi01> jpds: note the pm
[10:58] <jpds> Yep :)
[10:58]  * Myrtti huggles jussi01 and tries to get up from the bed
[10:59] <jussi01> Myrtti: Do i need to call you??? ;)
[10:59] <Myrtti> have I growled enough today or can I still growl a bit more?
[10:59] <Myrtti> jussi01: sure, call ahead
[10:59] <Myrtti> my phone died 6 am and I've not gotten up to recharge it because my back is really really really sore
[11:00] <Myrtti> so, greet my voicemail for me
[11:03]  * Myrtti grunts, sits on bedside
[11:36] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[11:53] <Gary> @btlogin
[11:56]  * jussi01 reminds people of @bansearch
[11:56] <Gary> it's nice jussi01
[11:56] <jussi01> :D
[11:57] <Myrtti> I'd need a cheatlist of the commands visible on irc
[11:57] <Myrtti> jussi01: do a !bancommands-#ubuntu-ops is <reply> available commands blahblah
[11:58] <stdin> Myrtti: /msg ubottu list Bantracker :)
[11:58] <stdin> you can then do /msg ubottu help <command> to get some usage info
[11:58] <jussi01> :D
[11:58] <Myrtti> too complicated ;-)
[11:58] <Myrtti> meh.
[11:58] <Gary> jussi01: you could make the bot reply to a @help in pm's only to logged in users (ie ops) with the command avialible
[11:59] <Gary> I speels for toffees
[11:59] <Gary> ^commands available
[11:59] <Myrtti> anyone want to come and eat?
[12:00] <Myrtti> I've got >1.5kg's of bbq ribs on grill
[12:00] <Gary> wow, and I'm soooo hungry
[12:00] <Gary> I think I hates you Myrtti :p
[12:00] <Myrtti> my mom insisted on buying me 750g of ribs yesterday and forgot I'm supposed to come over her place today or tomorrow
[12:01] <Myrtti> so now I'm panic cooking stuff
[12:02] <jussi01> @list Bantracker
[12:03] <stdin> Gary: all the bantracker commands are protected anyway, so there's no real need to stop them from showing
[12:04] <stdin> besides, it would require modifying the bot's core code to do that
[12:04] <stdin> *do that _safely_
[12:06] <Gary> all it needs now is a nagbot function, to nag on expired bans /me hides
[12:07] <jussi01> Gary: rofl
[12:10] <Myrtti> it does.
[12:15] <elkbuntu> i've been pestering for this since i became op
[12:15] <Myrtti> nomnomnom meat nomnomnom
[12:21] <elkbuntu> mmm, pork ribs?
[12:22] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, what does marmelaati mean?
[12:22] <Mez> marmelade?
[12:22]  * jussi01 chomps on Mez
[12:23] <Mez> ?
[12:24] <Pici> blarp
[12:24] <Myrtti> wow
[12:24] <Myrtti> spontaneous learning of Finnish
[12:25] <Myrtti> Mez: I like you
[12:25] <Myrtti> he's promising
[12:25] <Mez> Myrtti, its a little obvious...
[12:25] <Tm_T> lady marmelade ;)
[12:25]  * Myrtti coughs
[12:25]  * Tm_T hides
[12:26] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: yup, pork ribs
[12:26] <Pici> yum
[12:26]  * Mez wonders whether he's meant to be able to fry an egg on his external HDD
[12:26] <Pici> Mez: is it made out of cast iron
[12:26] <Tm_T> Mez: it's frying pan with hdd-extra capability
[12:27] <Mez> Pici, stainless steel
[12:27] <Pici> Mez: There you go then ;)
[12:27] <Myrtti> teflon love
[12:27] <Mez> It's VERY hot though
[12:27] <Mez> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-SPE3091CC-External-Drive-USB2-0/dp/B000WDXUES
[12:28] <elkbuntu> my laptop's power adaptor is like that. just ask seveas if you ever see him around. he tried to claim it burned him at UDS Sevilla :Þ
[12:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: noooooooooooo
[12:28] <Myrtti> Tm_T: nylon beat?
[12:28] <Pici> radar love?
[12:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you're poisoning me
[12:30]  * Myrtti tosses bones at Tm_T
[12:30] <Mez> elkbuntu, at least I can use it to keep my tea warm
[12:31] <elkbuntu> this is true
[12:31] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, so what is marmelaati? :Þ
[12:32] <Mez> /dev/sdd1              993G    73G   870G   8% /external
[12:32] <Mez> w00 :D
[12:32] <elkbuntu> it is marmalade? jussi01 told me it was different :-/
[12:32] <Mez> (thats what I get for putting my music collection on there
[12:32]  * Myrtti pokes jussi01 with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[12:32] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[12:32]  * Pici hides
[12:33] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: what did he tell you then?
[12:34] <elkbuntu> i'd have to grep logs, sec
[12:40] <elkbuntu> Jul 20 00:06:08 <jussi01>       its kind of the jammy stuff they put in these : http://www.myllynparas.fi/ap-pics/reseptit/makeat_leivonnaiset/joulutorttu_rajattu_240.jpg
[12:40] <elkbuntu> Jul 20 00:07:05 <jussi01>       sort of jame made with puree, not whole fruits
[12:40] <elkbuntu> Jul 20 00:11:47 <jussi01>       elkbuntu: naah, its not jame, its kinda different, but im at a loss to explain how
[12:41] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, ^^
[12:41] <Myrtti> ah
[12:41] <Myrtti> nitpicking
[12:41] <elkbuntu> yeah
[12:42]  * Pici picks nits
[12:42] <elkbuntu> i think we was comparing it to aussie jam, which is about 90% sugar
[12:42] <Myrtti> yeah, ours is a bit more on the fruity side
[12:42] <Myrtti> and also can have whole fruits
[12:43] <elkbuntu> i buy 'french' jam which is sweetened with grapejuice. so much less sickly
[12:43] <elkbuntu> (90% is an exaggeration, but for some varieties, not much of one)
[12:43] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: heh, we do jam home, sometimes it has ~5 % sugar or less
[12:44] <Mez> english jam is always the best
[12:44] <Myrtti> lingonberry and cranberry don't need sugar at all
[12:44] <Myrtti> in theory
[12:44] <Myrtti> Mez: if that orange jam at the hotel breakfast is a good example of English jam...
[12:44] <Myrtti> *hrrrrhhhgghh*
[12:44] <jussi01> rofl
[12:44] <Pici> You mean those little jam packets?
[12:45] <Tm_T> Myrtti: in theory, but hint of jamsugar makes it better ... (lost word, "säilyminen")
[12:45] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, will verify, aussie jam is nearly pure sugar
[12:45] <Myrtti> Tm_T: preservation
[12:45] <jussi01> elkbuntu: Ill verify that :P
[12:45] <Tm_T> yeah, that
[12:45] <Mez> Myrtti, I didnt touch it...
[12:45] <Tm_T> anyway, I have some work to do and jam discussion does jam my work :))
[12:45] <Myrtti> Tm_T: true, and makes the consistency too
[12:45] <Mez> but I mean proper jam, in a hamjar
[12:46] <Mez> Myrtti, I presume that that was more... jelly than jam?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i don't eat aussie jam, so i have no clue.
[12:46]  * Myrtti has a wild idea about what to put in a parcel
[12:46] <Pici> A smaller parcel?
[12:46]  * elkbuntu contemplates sending Myrtti a jar of aussie jam
[12:47]  * Myrtti contemplates sending several people sample of Finnish home made raspberry jam
[12:47] <elkbuntu> nomnom
[12:47] <elkbuntu> that or apricot
[12:47] <elkbuntu> mmmm apricot
[12:47] <Pici> mmm
[12:47] <Myrtti> sorry, they don't grow in my moms garden
[12:47] <Myrtti> so raspberry
[12:48] <Pici> mango?
[12:48] <elkbuntu> just so long as it's not fig. eww.
[12:49] <jussi01> mmm, I love fig
[12:59] <ikonia> I have some fig vodka, it is fantastic
[13:01] <elkbuntu> wouldnt it be convenient if that was his blog
[13:02] <gnomefreak> blog isnt the place i would assign to factiods
[13:02] <elkbuntu> no kidding
[13:03] <ikonia> nope
[13:03] <Pici> I'd prefer that the info there be merged into the wiki page pointed to by !changethemes
[13:03] <ikonia> I'm going through the database at the moment, I want to try to find "official" ubuntu links for the external ones
[13:03] <ikonia> the ammount of poor external docs there are, it kills support
[13:03] <Myrtti> "If you need to contact me, you can do so<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:04] <gnomefreak> so it is his
[13:04] <Myrtti> "what a surprise"
[13:04]  * gnomefreak thinking of asking him in here and explaining that blogs cant be supported so our bot cant give links to blogs
[13:05] <Pici> We've pointed to a few blogs in factoids, but I think the better place for that info is in our wiki.
[13:05] <gnomefreak> i know it wont end that easy
[13:05] <ikonia> gnomefreak: thats cool
[13:05] <ikonia> gnomefreak: should do, good call
[13:05] <gnomefreak> let me find him
[13:05] <ikonia> Pici: exactly, hence why I'm going through the DV
[13:05] <ikonia> DB
[13:05] <ikonia> if there is some good external sources, maybe it can be sanity checked and entered into the wiki
[13:05] <gnomefreak> i asked
[13:06] <gnomefreak> ok damnit
[13:07] <ikonia> $10 to gnomefreak you where right
[13:07] <gnomefreak> it would have een too damn easy
[13:07] <Pici> !channels is <alias> irc
[13:07] <gnomefreak> no
[13:08] <Pici> !no channels is <alias> irc
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Pici: channels work in pm but not with ! since its already a command
[13:08] <gnomefreak> you cant change it without being owner of bot
[13:08] <Pici> gnomefreak: I think its a different issue than that.
[13:08] <gnomefreak> no its not
[13:09] <gnomefreak> Pici: been that way
[13:09] <Pici> !unforget channels
[13:09] <Pici> !ping
[13:09] <gnomefreak> Pici: me and seveas had gone through this already
[13:09] <Pici> !channels
[13:09] <Pici> fixed.
[13:09] <gnomefreak> how?
[13:10] <Pici> unforget/remember (whichever one it was) and then !no channels is <alias> irc
[13:10] <Pici> in PM, use !channels
[13:10] <Pici> anyway, food, brb
[13:11] <gnomefreak> maybe it was that way around
[13:11] <gnomefreak> sorry i had it backwards
[13:11] <billgoldberg> hey
[13:12] <gnomefreak> heplease stop trying to add factiods to bot with blog links
[13:12] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: that should be please
[13:12] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: they cant be supported by Ubuntu. if you wish for that to be in bot please make a wiki page of it so we can look and decide
[13:12] <ikonia> Rafik: whats up ?
[13:12] <billgoldberg> Ok
[13:13] <billgoldberg> What about the "channels" I suggested
[13:13] <Rafik> ikonia, hello, it's all ok
[13:13] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: and you cant add factoids to bot incase you didnt know
[13:13] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: its already a factoid
[13:13] <gnomefreak> !channels
[13:13] <billgoldberg> !channels
 Sorry, I don't know anything about channels
[13:13] <billgoldberg> That's what I god
[13:13] <billgoldberg> got*
[13:14] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: in pm?
[13:14] <billgoldberg> yes
[13:14] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: you cant see channels in pm due to it being a command for hte bot
[13:14] <billgoldberg> ok
[13:14] <billgoldberg> Where can I find a list for all the factiods that can be used for ubottu
[13:14] <gnomefreak> and we see every time you try to add stuff to bot
[13:15] <gnomefreak> !bot
[13:15] <gnomefreak> there
[13:15] <billgoldberg> Ok
[13:15] <billgoldberg> Thanks
[13:15] <Tm_T> hi billgoldberg
[13:15] <gnomefreak> billgoldberg: be careful with it please as it is posted in this channel and we would rather not be flooded
[13:16] <billgoldberg> No problem
[13:16] <gnomefreak> thank you
[13:25] <gnomefreak> Rafik: billgoldberg if not further assistance is needed you can go back to what you were doing. please see topic for more info
[13:28] <Tm_T> billgoldberg: and thank you once again :)
[13:29] <Rafik> Thanks. Have fun :)
[13:30] <bogey-> Your Flood-bots are broked
[13:30] <gnomefreak> bogey-: define broke
[13:30] <bogey-> everytime i connect to the server it makes me test
[13:31] <Pici> @btlogin
[13:31] <Myrtti> wel
[13:31]  * gnomefreak wonders what questions are on the test
[13:31] <bogey-> I read the topic and think "ohh teh noes"
[13:32] <bogey-> but everytime i test fine and off I go, very annoying when I am afk
[13:32] <Pici> bogey-: I see that you've been removed 3 times already due to an exploit.  How are you fixing your connection?
[13:32] <Myrtti> bogey-: you're not on the victims list anymore
[13:32]  * gnomefreak sees conflict
[13:32] <bogey-> Myrtti: thank you
[13:32] <gnomefreak> Pici: is it still active?
[13:32] <bogey-> Pici: fugget about it
[13:32] <Pici> gnomefreak: None of them are active.
[13:33] <gnomefreak> k
[13:33] <Pici> Okay then.
[13:33] <Tm_T> meh
[13:33]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke while he starts dana up with garbage in +1
[13:34] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: you shouldn't smoke, son
[13:39] <gnomefreak> yeah i know, that is main reason i do smoke ;)
[13:40] <Tm_T> hrrrr
[13:40] <Tm_T> kids...
[13:40] <gnomefreak> im gonna die smoking or not so why not enjoy myself
[13:40]  * gnomefreak not a kid anymore
[13:40] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I hardly can imagine smoking as "enjoying myself"
[13:40] <jussi01> gnomefreak: everyone is Tm_T's sone... he is 112 you know...
[13:40] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: either can alot of people but it keeps my nerves and temper at bay
[13:41] <gnomefreak> jussi01: ;)
[13:41] <Tm_T> jussi01: 113 now, 13. day went already
[13:41] <jussi01> rofl
[13:41]  * Tm_T hugs gnomefreak
[13:41] <Tm_T> enjoy ;)
[13:42]  * gnomefreak hugs Tm_T
[13:42] <gnomefreak> what are our rules about people being boarderline offtopic
[13:42]  * Myrtti feels downright ancient
[13:43]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti tightly
[13:43]  * Myrtti growls
[13:43] <Myrtti> HUWTS!
[13:43] <jussi01> gnomefreak: pm? if they dont stop then move them on? maybe give offtopic?
[13:44]  * gnomefreak can do that i think next time he/she starts
[13:44] <jussi01> gnomefreak: Thats not hard and fast rules, just my opinion
[13:45] <gnomefreak> he/she has been the same way for a year or 2 now
[13:45] <Myrtti> who where
[13:45] <gnomefreak> dana +1
[13:45] <gnomefreak> he/she hacks devel release and goes on about it in +1 than figures out its what he/she did
[13:46] <jussi01> gnomefreak: Oh yeah, also Id say in a quiet channel like that, meh...
[13:46] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: who's this?
[13:47] <jussi01> gnomefreak: this right?
[13:47] <Hobbsee> oh, dana.  yes.
[13:47] <jussi01> [14:20:38] <DanaG> yay, iscsi > vboxsf
[13:47] <jussi01> [14:20:48] <DanaG> because the latter can't give bare access to things like hardlinks.
[13:47] <jussi01> [14:21:05] <DanaG> (I'm working around the via-rhine suckiness by running the backup server in a VM at the moment, just for the first few backups.
[13:47] <jussi01> [14:21:07] <DanaG> )
[13:47] <gnomefreak> jussi01: if people didnt start him/her up with questions i wouldnt mind as much but it turns quite channel into a long discussion
[13:47] <Pici> I usually wheigh giving offtopic warnings in +1 against how offtopic the conversation is and if anyone is looking for support.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i've often wanted to cut that back
[13:47] <Hobbsee> seeing as ranting really isn't so productive, particularly when most of the developers aren't there anyway
[13:48] <gnomefreak> that isnt that bad but its not the first time like i said its been going on a for a long time
[13:50] <gnomefreak> keep scrolling up and it gets worse but likel i said its borderline
[13:53] <jussi01> gnomefreak: Id say a pm with a simple: Hey! Just reminding you that #ubuntu+1 is a support channel, and genral chatter goes to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks :)
[13:54] <gnomefreak> jussi01: thanks ill do that if i see him/her going on about crap since now its a moot point to him/her
[13:55] <jussi01> gnomefreak: :)
[13:55] <gnomefreak> might i ask if im not here some keep eye out and do as needed?
[13:56]  * gnomefreak leaves when it gets too hot since pc raises temp by like 15 degrees F
[13:56] <gnomefreak> and at 80 F all the time it getts really hot at 95ish
[13:56] <Pici> No AC?
[13:57] <jussi01> gnomefreak: in which part of the world do you reside?
[13:57] <gnomefreak> Pici: yeah but only 1 vent and this room has direct sun more than half the day and sc vent is under desk where my legs are
[13:57] <gnomefreak> jussi01: north carolina US
[13:57] <jussi01> rigt :)
[13:58] <gnomefreak> we ar elookng at 90s and 100s this week
[13:58] <gnomefreak> well pretty much through most of august is normal
[13:58] <Pici> It was cool this morning here, but supposedly getting into the 90s later today here.
[13:59] <gnomefreak> Pici: it was ~70F here at 45am
[13:59] <gnomefreak> 5am
[13:59] <gnomefreak> 73 now
[14:00] <gnomefreak> im seeing mostly mid-high 902 in forcast this weeek
[14:00] <Pici> We had rain yesterday, which cooled things down a bit.  Its usually a little cooler than 70 in the morning (7am) though.  In NJ at least.
[14:00] <gnomefreak> i miss nj :(
[14:00] <gnomefreak> born and raised in north jersey
[14:01] <Pici> Neat. I live near, and work in, New Brunswick.
[14:02] <Tm_T> I work at my home, so weather... I rarely see outside anyway (:)
[14:02] <gnomefreak> IIRC my family reunion was held there this year. i didnt show up though
[14:03] <jussi01> will you guys get up to date and use metric? please?
[14:03]  * gnomefreak looking for a good job from home
[14:03] <Pici> Tm_T: The IT department here is in the basement, so neither do I.
[14:03] <Tm_T> haha
[14:03] <gnomefreak> jussi01: i dont know metric in weather senses
[14:03] <jussi01> it department... basement.... :P Just reminds me of "The IT crowd" :D
[14:04] <jussi01> gnomefreak: degrees celsius...
[14:04] <Pici> We're under the parking deck :(
[14:04] <gnomefreak> i can convert say for example 14mm is roughly 9/16th
[14:04] <jussi01> Pici: the real basement :/
[14:04] <gnomefreak> but thats only because i was a auto tech for years
[14:05] <Pici> 90F = 32C, 70F = 21C
[14:05]  * gnomefreak never beena  weather guy ;)
[14:06] <Myrtti> WILL YOU GUYS EVER GET UP TO DATE AND USE METRIC??!?!??!!
[14:06] <Pici> NO, OUR COUNTRY IS STUBBORN
[14:06] <Myrtti> noticed
[14:06] <Tm_T> harhar
[14:07] <Myrtti> one of the reasons I promised to myself at age 16 I will never move to live in US
[14:07] <Pici> On the upside, metric is used in medicine, except for temperature, generally.
[14:08] <Pici> Although, we get nurses entering values such as 2 grams as birthweights.
[14:08] <Tm_T> Pici: it isn't used in NASA ... xD
[14:09] <Pici> Tm_T: I'm actually surprised at that.   Where else was he unbanned?
[14:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: because while he's banned ehre, we have no way of telling if he's actually obeying our rules here, or not.
[14:51] <gnomefreak> Pici: noi where that i saw
[14:51] <Hobbsee> Pici: nowhere - at least, i ohpe.
[14:52] <Hobbsee> just here
[14:52] <Pici> whew.
[14:52] <bazhang> just -se afaik
[14:52] <Myrtti> ...
[14:52] <Myrtti> he was never banned there, I believe
[14:52] <bazhang> only place active
[14:52] <Myrtti> and why should he be banned there
[14:52] <gnomefreak> ok lets see what happens, i agree just wanted to know since he hasnt started following the rules
[14:52] <Myrtti> he's not been disruptive there either
[14:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: and it will be *very* hard to justify a further ban, if he comes back at the end of the week and says "look, i haven't been in here for a week, so you should unban me"
[14:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i agree
[14:53] <Hobbsee> if he's following the rules by force...he's still following the rules...thus, is more likely to deserve unbanning.
[14:54] <Hobbsee> and personally, i'd prefer giving him a chance.
[14:54] <Tm_T> same here
[14:54] <Hobbsee> not for his sake, because i'm fairly sure that we've seen enough of his character, and it doesn't seem to be changing, but in case anyone decides to examine it, and take it up with the CC.
[15:03] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://www2.eduskunta.fi/kerhot/luonto/eurosiili/images/saara_syo_jauhomatoja.jpg
[15:04] <Pici> Is that a Kiwi?
[15:04] <Pici> or..  a hedgegoh?
[15:04] <Pici> s/hedgegoh/hedgehog/
[15:04] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://www2.eduskunta.fi/kerhot/luonto/eurosiili/galleria.htm akshully
[15:05] <Myrtti> oh! http://www2.eduskunta.fi/kerhot/luonto/eurosiili/images/albiiino_2006.jpg
[15:13] <jussi01> awwww
[15:15]  * Myrtti slinks away
[15:33] <Tm_T> ubottu had some nice lag
[16:07] <Pici> 2dave2
[16:07] <_Dave2_> yay timing. I finally go "hey, my main shell's probably not going to come back soon, might as well join more channels", and then it coems back in the same minute.
[16:08] <Pici> hehe
[16:27] <Myrtti> hmh
[16:27] <Myrtti> http://www.itviikko.fi/teknologia/2008/07/28/foxconn-paivittaa-linuxia-sorsineen-emolevynsa/200819494/7
[16:28] <Pici> Yeah >:(
[16:37] <Tm_T> Myrtti: interesting choice for channel to paste finnish link
[16:38] <Myrtti> Tm_T: for your pleasure, note backlog from last night
[16:39] <C4N> What's up? Anyone here?
[16:39] <Myrtti> sure
[16:39] <Mez> C4N, how can we help?
[16:40] <C4N> I speak two languages, Brazilian Portuguese being my second. The !pr command initiates a chat to Portuguese speakers to direct them to #ubuntu-br , or #ubuntu-pt.
 Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[16:40] <Myrtti> and?
[16:40] <C4N> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt por ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[16:40] <C4N> The para needs to be changed to por.
[16:40] <Myrtti> @login
[16:41] <C4N> A simple grammatical error that people confuse all the time.
[16:41] <Mez> !-pr
[16:41] <Myrtti> !pt ~= /para/por/
[16:41] <Myrtti> !pt
[16:41] <C4N> Perfeito!
[16:41] <C4N> ;-)
[16:41] <Myrtti> no probs
[16:41] <jpds> C4N: Thanks for the heads up.
[16:41] <Myrtti> hmmm
[16:41] <Myrtti> !fi
[16:41] <C4N> Np.
[16:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I don't like that, any suggestions?
[16:42]  * Myrtti got inspiration :-P
[16:43] <C4N> LoL. The fact is: Finnish is a super-difficult language to speak.
[16:43] <C4N> ;-)
[16:43] <jussi01> !idle
[16:43] <Myrtti> C4N: do I know it ;-)
[16:43] <C4N> I think jussi01 is kicking me out.
[16:43] <C4N> </3 jussi01
[16:43] <Myrtti> the rest of us are just nudging you out...
[16:43] <Mez> !-idle
[16:43] <Myrtti> hehehehe
[16:45] <Mez> that's incorrect, technically. It's also for bringing stuff to the attention of the ops, like previously. That wasn't a quesiton, it was information
[16:45] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hmm, Ubuntun suomenkielinen tuki sijaitsee kanavilla ...
[16:45] <Tm_T> tai löytyy kanavilta
[16:46] <Myrtti> hold on, I forgot the old version all ready >_<
[16:47] <Tm_T> :-P
[16:49] <Myrtti> first of all
[16:49] <Myrtti> that ignores server version and xubuntu
[16:49] <Myrtti> which don't have separate channels, but are still discussed in #u-fi
[16:50] <Myrtti> and that also lacks the verb, so it isn't even a sentence, so we definitely need to readjust it anyway
[16:50] <Myrtti> but your suggestion is good
[16:50] <Myrtti> I'd add "Tervetuloa" to it
[16:50] <Myrtti> or smtn
[16:50] <Pici> Sure.
[16:51] <Myrtti> oh, and I'd also add something with Tämä kanava on englanninkielinen...
[16:53] <Dave2> 'wn 111
[16:53] <Dave2> argh
[16:53] <Myrtti> FAIL!
[16:53] <Dave2> very mych so :(
[16:53] <Dave2> much
[17:05] <Myrtti> pardon me, but WTF
[17:05] <Myrtti> http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=59
[17:05] <Myrtti> no, wait
[17:05] <Myrtti> right
[17:06] <Mez> Myrtti, what's the issue? (other than it being bad instructions)
[17:07] <Myrtti> just misread
[17:08] <Mez> Myrtti, It's so that it complies with debian policy. If the devvies want to use /bin/bash, then they should use that in their shebang
[17:08] <Pici> !dash
[17:09] <Myrtti> yup
[17:09] <Pici> yep
[17:09] <Myrtti> I've learnt that thru trial and error myself
[17:10] <Pici> Most of my linux knowledge is through trial and error, and I know I'm not the only one.
[17:10] <Pici> grr
[18:09] <Flannel> dash is 100% compatable with sh though.  If their scripts need bash features, they ought to ask for bash by name, instead of falsely claiming to be sh compatable
[18:09] <Tm_T> yup
[18:10] <nalioth> hmm, my box seems to be stuck on bash ( thank heavens )
[18:11] <nalioth> why was dash thrown in as default ( and why have i never heard of it before now ) ?
[18:11] <jpds> It has less bugs IIRC
[18:11] <ikonia> I don't agree on that
[18:12] <jpds> Either way. /me sticks to his zsh.
[18:12] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[18:12] <ikonia> touche'
[18:13] <Pici> I dont think its meant to be a interactive shell replacement.
[18:14] <ikonia> what dash or zsh ?
[18:14] <Flannel> no, and bash is still default for the shell
[18:14] <Pici> ikonia: dash
[18:14] <Tm_T> dash is lighter for scriptds
[18:14] <Pici> I use zsh myself.
[18:14] <Tm_T> etc
[18:14] <jpds> nalioth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[18:14] <ikonia> I'm not keen on a shell for init scripts or scripts in general then a shell for interaction
[18:15] <Flannel> ikonia: Your init scripts/scripts don't need color/fancy aliases/etc
[18:15] <ikonia> Flannel: depends if you use boot splash
[18:16] <ikonia> Flannel: or what you like in general, but I know the point your getting at
[18:16] <Flannel> ikonia: No, this is separate than that entirely.
[18:16] <ikonia> Flannel: care to expand a little ?
[18:16] <Flannel> I don't believe using dash will have any affect on a verbose boot (as far as looks are concerned)
[18:17] <ikonia> Flannel: "fancy colours" I was referencing
[18:17] <ikonia> Flannel: in the "ok" and "warn" and "fail" messages are nice
[18:18] <Tm_T> ikonia: nope, that isn't up to desh/bash really
[18:18] <Tm_T> dash even
[18:18] <Flannel> ikonia: dash can do color, and those I believe are still in color.  I meant (with the aliases) regular commands/etc
[18:18] <ikonia> really, I thought the functions script was sourced
[18:18] <ikonia> sourced from dash
[18:21] <ikonia> am I wrong ?
[18:23] <Tm_T> mmm, "boot candy" is not done by dash or bash
[18:23] <ikonia> so is the functions script not dash ?
[18:24] <ikonia> (I assume the colours are set in the init functions script)
[18:25]  * jpds recommends using Terminus for boot candy... or at least a better looking console font.
[18:30] <Tm_T> ikonia: it can be dash
[18:30] <ikonia> Tm_T: I'm sure it's do-able
[18:30] <Tm_T> yeah, it even prolly is dash, BUT
[18:30] <Tm_T> there's lots of more than that
[19:26] <Myrtti> grunt grunt grunt grumpygrumpGRUMP
[19:27] <Pici> :O
[19:28]  * Mez hugs Myrtti (gently()
[19:28] <Pici> Myrtti.gently()
[19:28] <Pici> hug()
[19:28]  * Myrtti meeps
[19:32]  * jussi01 meeps softly
[19:32] <Pici> I think Beaker is my favorite muppet.
[19:33]  * Myrtti frowns and tries to make coffee by moving things around with translocating things with her mind
[19:33] <Pici> back pain?
[19:33] <Myrtti> yup
[19:34] <Pici> Sounds miserable.
[19:34] <Mez> class Myrtti { var hug = static Hug(TYPE_GENTLE); }; Myrtti::hug();
[19:36] <Pici> Mez: I keep misreading your name as Myrtti.
[19:36] <Mez> Pici, :P
[19:36] <Pici> And thinking, "Why is Myrtti talking to herself again?"
[19:36]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[19:37] <Pici> You'd think I would have realized it after the third or fourth time.
[19:38] <Mez> /nick NotMyrtti
[19:38] <Myrtti> s
[19:38] <Myrtti> :-<
[19:38] <Mez> s :
[19:38] <Mez> s? *
[19:38] <Myrtti> oh nevermind
[19:40] <Pici> cypherdelic: Whats up?
[19:40] <Myrtti> hello cypherdelic
[19:40] <cypherdelic> Hello everyone
[19:42] <Myrtti> how can we help you tonight?
[19:42] <cypherdelic> so i got a short question, i was a bad guy in #ubuntu-de, so they muted me for now 3 days ago, im still muted in that channel. yesterday they told me my request for speech was requested by the ops, that i should come back and ask again in one week.
[19:43] <cypherdelic> can you help me to get my voice back, i prefer my native language
[19:43] <cypherdelic> :)
[19:43] <Myrtti> try #ubuntu-irc
[19:43] <Myrtti> this is for the main channels, #ubuntu-irc is for loco channels too
[19:43]  * Myrtti is on both, but nevermind that
[19:43] <cypherdelic> well i will do so, am i done for here?
[19:44] <ompaul> unless there is something else
[19:44] <cypherdelic> nope, thanks alot then, have a nice day
[19:57] <Myrtti> meh
[19:57] <Myrtti> just in case I forget this
[19:58] <Myrtti> irc council agenda should have something about recommending loco channels naming a representative to be in #ubuntu-irc
[19:58] <Myrtti> I've said this million times, but here it is again.
[20:01] <Pici> added to meeting agenda, although who knows when we'll have a meeting again.
[20:01] <Myrtti> Pici: ♥
[20:02] <jussi01> Pici: got to have one sometime soonish... we have an election coming...
[20:02] <jussi01> do we not?
[20:10] <Myrtti> that topyli cartoon is so funny I'm crying
[20:11] <ompaul> Myrtti, it has matthew garret written all over it
[20:24] <PriceChild> grrr stupid rain and thunder
[20:24] <PriceChild> modem not holding a connection
[20:27] <Myrtti> hmmm
[20:29] <PriceChild> Is it a silly idea plugging another one in incase that gets fried..? 8-)
[20:29] <Myrtti> don't plug it in *yet*
[20:50] <Ziroday> Hi, why are hostnames from mibbet blocked in #ubuntu-offtopic but not #ubuntu?
[20:50] <Myrtti> because Floodbots can do exceptions on only one channel at a time
[20:51] <Ziroday> ah, so no offtopic for me :(
[20:51] <Ziroday> thanks Myrtti
[20:51] <Myrtti> unless you talk sweetly to my ear and convince me that you'll behave nicely
[20:51] <Ziroday> oh I'm good
[20:52] <Ziroday> na its just cause im stuck in the sheraton and they block everything outside port 80
[20:52] <Myrtti> are you on a one time visit with mibbit to offtopic or do you plan to visit more often?
[20:52] <Myrtti> when are you due home?
[20:52] <Ziroday> anyway I have to go
[20:52] <Ziroday> sorry family emergency
[20:52] <Myrtti> np
[21:12] <stdin> *FYI: (another) new bot command for the bot
[21:12] <stdin> @help comment
[21:13] <stdin> if you ban and want to add a comment without having to visit the tracker you can use that
[21:28] <ikonia> stdin: nice effort of the bots
[21:29]  * Myrtti gives stdin a hug
[21:29] <ikonia> played with it a pm
[21:32] <stdin> small changes to usage, major changes to code
[21:32] <stdin> python fun all the way :|
[21:32]  * Myrtti gives stdin a lollipop
[21:32] <PriceChild> stdin: any chance that you could be messaged the id when you ban/kick? :P
[21:32]  * PriceChild runs
[21:32]  * Myrtti giggles
[21:32] <stdin> PriceChild: yep, I have that in my nubotu :p
[21:33] <Myrtti> ♥
[21:33] <stdin> it sends you a msg with the ban ID so you can comment
[21:33]  * PriceChild is reminded of dircbot
[21:35] <stdin> tonyyarusso: I've also implemented your suggestion to clear out obsolete bans from the tracker when we need to :)
[21:35] <PriceChild> stdin: could you explain that one please?
[21:36] <stdin> PriceChild: bans that were removed in the channel when the bot was absent or split are still shown as set in the tracker, so I've made a function to detect the remove bans and mark them as removed in the tracker
[21:37] <PriceChild> ahh very funky
[21:37] <PriceChild> any adverse effects?
[21:37] <nalioth> PriceChild: you'd better hope that doesn't come to pass . . . .
[21:37] <PriceChild> nalioth: hmm?
[21:37] <stdin> nope, just that the tracker is more accurate
[21:37] <nalioth> PriceChild: a bothersome bot
[21:38] <PriceChild> stdin: so there's no chance of it crashing when it scans through a large database and the channel ban list for example?
[21:38] <PriceChild> nalioth: you love it!
[21:38] <stdin> PriceChild: not any more, I've learnt how to use threads :p
[21:39] <stdin> it will start scanning the banlist for channels when it starts up, sending one /mode <channel> b every 10 seconds to limit load
[21:39] <stdin> takes about 2-3 mins to sync but then it updates itself
[21:40] <stdin> it remains responsive during those 2-3 mins though
[21:45] <nalioth> stdin: you're doing a fine job.  if you feel the need to succumb to PriceChilds suggestiion,, here is one of mine:  make the messages "opt in"
[21:45] <stdin> nalioth: that was my intention :)
[21:46] <stdin> it would only send you a msg when you ban so you can comment on it, but you can find the ID from the @bansearch command
[21:46] <jpds> What about the people who do not have access to the bantracker/bot functions?
[21:47] <PriceChild> stdin: he doesn't want it sending that message at all, unless he's told you he wants it
[21:47] <stdin> jpds: if they have ops in a channel ubottu is in, they should have access right?
[21:47] <PriceChild> nope
[21:48] <stdin> I can check if they have access before sending the msg anyway
[21:48] <stdin> everyone with +v in here has a special "capability" with the bot called 'bantracker', all I'd have to do is check the user has it
[21:49] <jpds> ok, brilliant :)
[21:49] <nalioth> stdin: i don't want it send a msg _every_ _time_ _i_ ban.
[21:49] <stdin> and anyone who gets added to the launchpad team automatically gets added to the bot with that capability
[21:50] <stdin> nalioth: I can find a way to limit it to only happen when requested, right now it's only in my devel bot. so you don't have to worry about it for now
[21:50] <nalioth> i have /ignored dircbot because i don't like being bothered every time i initiate a 10-minute-self-removing ban
[21:51] <jpds> -@bannotify off
[22:16] <ikonia> nalioth: how do you set a 10 minute self removin ban please.
[22:16] <ikonia> nalioth: I meant to ask you that a while ago
[22:17] <nalioth> ikonia: i use auto_bleh.pl
[22:17] <Myrtti> !ping
[22:17] <ikonia> nalioth: as do I, I didn't see that function
[22:17] <nalioth>   /at %target-nick
[22:18] <ikonia> got it
[22:18] <ikonia> I saw it
[22:18] <nalioth> i find 10 minutes far exceeds most trolls attention span
[22:19] <ikonia> I've seen you use it with mostly positive results, hence why I meant to ask
[22:19] <nalioth> and if it's an ignorant user, it gives them time to think
[22:19] <nalioth>  (and i'm very lazy and don't like parsing bans manually  :P)
[22:19] <nalioth> especially not in all the channels i operate in
[23:02] <stdin> oops
[23:03] <Myrtti> ooooopppsss???!!!
[23:03]  * Myrtti larts stdin
[23:03] <Myrtti> FIX IT
[23:03] <stdin> already have
[23:03] <stdin> it was just a small typo
[23:03] <Bodsda> hello
[23:04] <stdin> (that sent me 20 msgs in one go)
[23:04] <Myrtti> "oops"
[23:04] <Myrtti> hello Bodsda
[23:05] <Bodsda> i was here about a week or 2 ago asking for a change to the factoid !ot , i dont think it tells people they are being off topic, it merely lists 3 channels. Could someone please take a look at this for me
[23:12] <Bodsda> anyone?
[23:12] <Myrtti> !ot
[23:13] <genii> Please do something about this bot which is PMing me:
[23:13] <genii> [18:11:39] <Jonathan_Food_Ru> Hello. If you have recently lost a loved one or expect to lose a loved one very soon you should come check out #Budget-Casket. We are the leader in budget caskets for deceased loved ones that won't break the bank. We offer quality handmade caskets in oak, pine, and other quality woods at an affordable price. So come to #Budget-Casket for more info.
[23:13] <Bodsda> ubot3 ot
[23:13] <ubot3> And the magical fairies came in and stole the crown from underneath the apple tree...
[23:13] <Bodsda> wtf??
[23:13] <Bodsda> oops sorry
[23:13] <jussi01> Bodsda: patience
[23:14] <jussi01> Bodsda: she is syncing
[23:14] <Bodsda> jussi01, ubotu is a she?
[23:14] <jussi01> Bodsda: correct
[23:15] <stdin> it's temperamental and often falls for no reason, of course it's a girl ;)
[23:15] <Bodsda> thats a different factoid to the one she says in #ubuntu
[23:15]  * stdin runs far far away
[23:15] <Bodsda> hah, run very fast stdin
[23:16] <stdin> !test
[23:16] <Myrtti> !ot-#ubuntu
[23:17] <stdin> !ot
[23:17] <stdin> !-ot
[23:17] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[23:17] <stdin> [23:17]<ubottu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome
[23:17] <Myrtti> there we go
[23:17] <Bodsda> yes that one
[23:19] <Bodsda> i dont believe the factoid says anything to the person about being offtopic, its more of a channel list
[23:20] <genii> Ok these PM ing adbots are at it again, same origin CrowLead -<EMAIL_ADDRESS> in this case
[23:20] <genii> eg: [18:19:16] <CrowLead> Do u like 2 sk8board? So do I. Well, I thought it would b a good idea 2 get a IRC channel for sk8ers goin, so if u wanna talk about sk8in den com 2 #sk8! 2 talk bout all things sk8in. Can u ollie? Tell us in #sk8! Can u do k00l tricks? Tell us in #sk8! Got a new deck? Com 2 #sk8! Da more sk8ers in da chat da merrier.