[09:53] <tmervin> hi
[09:53] <Toba> there are no menus to do that
[09:53] <Toba> what panel?
[09:53] <TiMiDo> Toba: the gnome panel
[09:53] <Toba> it's all launcher and menus
[09:53] <reka> Toba: if there isn't enough space to right-click on the panel, delete an icon... you can always add them later.
[09:53] <Toba> no just plain space to click on
[09:53] <reka> Toba: see above.
[09:53] <tmervin> is there a way to install ubuntu on a laptop without a working cdrom ?
[09:53] <Toba> bah
[09:54] <TiMiDo> tmervin: not really
[09:54] <CarlK_> tmervin https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[09:54] <Toba> well
[09:54] <Toba> that worked
[09:54] <Toba> but now I'm missing evolution
[09:54] <Toba> not that I was using it anyway
[09:54] <LCTO> IRC. better than google :-D
[09:54] <Flying-Penguin> X3N: well it is verry good to see you agen... since I havn't been able to get to cadradio.net so I couldn't connect.
[09:54] <amonkey> what would be a good distro for a 300mhz lappy with ~60m of ram? is ubuntu too heavy for it?
[09:54] <nalioth> tmervin: do a debian network install, and afterward, change all the sources.lists to ubuntu ones
[09:54] <reka> Toba: find it in the menu, right-click->add to panel
[09:54] <Toba> will do
[09:54] <X3N> Flying-Penguin, it's not cadradio.net anymore it's irc.cad-net.org
[09:54] <nalioth> tmervin: you DO have a floppy drive, right?
[09:55] <Toba> and there it is again
[09:55] <Toba> heh
[09:55] <reka> Toba: if you want it there that is. :-)
[09:55] <mbruemmer> somebody have experiance with rosengarde4 and ibook?
[09:55] <e-head> o.k., now my question ...
[09:55] <Toba> is there a way to change the root pw different from my non-root-user pw?
[09:55] <ivolooser> CarlK_, thank is take a look
[09:55] <Toba> because passwd did not actually change it
[09:55] <Seveas> tmervin, if you do a debian install, do a *woody* install, not a sarge install
[09:55] <e-head> does the Ubuntu installer "cook up" a "custom" /etc/modules file for each computer upon installation ?
[09:55] <Toba> the password was back to the original one after I closed the emulated root term
[09:55] <Seveas> e-head, no
[09:55] <tmervin> Seveas: ok
[09:55] <e-head> or does everyone get a "generic" /etc/modules file ?
[09:56] <tmervin> nalioth: i do
[09:56] <TiMiDo> Toba: so the passwd didn't worked?
[09:56] <reka> ubotu: tell Toba about rootsudo
[09:56] <Toba> Timbo: no
[09:56] <Seveas> e-head, /etc/modules is generic
[09:56] <Toba> I did sudo su root
[09:56] <Toba> is that what i should have done?
[09:56] <tmervin> Seveas: sarge is buggy ?
[09:56] <nalioth> tmervin: then go to debian.org and get the netinstall floppy img
[09:56] <Toba> well
[09:56] <rg58sma> hi wanna load my ubuntu with write my ntsf partition
[09:56] <Toba> it didn't work
[09:56] <Toba> but meh
[09:56] <CarlK_> any idea how to get 2 wifi cards to talk to each other?  ad-hoc mode I think it is called
[09:56] <Seveas> e-head, hotplug is expected to do the rest
[09:56] <TiMiDo> try doing su
[09:56] <Kyral> rg58sma: Bad idea
[09:56] <nalioth> rg58sma: writing to NTFS is unstable (read: may cause total NTFS partition failure)
[09:56] <Timbo> Toba: yes!
[09:56] <reka> rg58sma: ntfs-write is unsfe
[09:57] <Seveas> tmervin, no, just newer than hoary which causes depency problems when trying a sarge->hoary upgrade
[09:57] <amonkey> Toba, sudo su, then passwd
[09:57] <amonkey> Toba, probably don't even need to su
[09:57] <Toba> authentication failure on su root
[09:57] <Toba> oh
[09:57] <mbirkis> why have ubuntu developers removed the delightful spatial browsing in nautilus? and how do i get it back?
[09:57] <Toba> su root is wrong?
[09:57] <e-head> Seveas: ahh ...
[09:57] <tmervin> nalioth: ok, basically, all i have to do is just update the sources.list like while dist-upgrade in debian ?
[09:57] <Toba> heh
[09:57] <reka> mbirkis: it's in prefs
[09:57] <Seveas> toba: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:57] <Toba> sudo su worked
[09:57] <reka> behaviour tab
[09:57] <Toba> now I wonder if passwd will
[09:57] <tmervin> Seveas: thx a lot
[09:57] <Seveas> mbirkis, you can change it with the gconf-editor
[09:57] <TiMiDo> Toba: try it (:
[09:57] <Seveas> mbirkis, search for the no-ubuntu-spatial key
[09:57] <mbirkis> Seveas: thnx :)
[09:58] <reka> Seveas: why not just edit prefs. rather than hunting around in gconf?
[09:58] <Toba> o_0 it didn't ask for a pw
[09:58] <Toba> that's just odd
[09:58] <Toba> does it remember what I did last time or something?
[09:58] <Toba> I don't like that
[09:58] <Seveas> reka, this specific thing is not editable in the prefs
[09:58] <nalioth> tmervin: get the sarge net install img, and when its installed (just install minimal) change the sources.list for ubuntus (found at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[09:58] <TiMiDo> Toba:  try sudo chown bob *
[09:58] <Seveas> Toba, sudo remembers the passwords for a certain amount of time
[09:58] <Kyral> Hey, quick question, how do I get my SATA FAT32 drive to auto mount on boot, I have the auto flag set in fstab, but when it boots, I get "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[09:58] <TiMiDo> bob is the username =)
[09:58] <Toba> o_0
[09:58] <sniker> rg58sma: you can try to use captive for write on ntfs
[09:58] <Seveas> Toba: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:58] <tmervin> nalioth: thx again
[09:58] <Seveas> read it...
[09:58] <bkinman> how do i kill a single window border in metacity?
[09:59] <Toba> ah
[09:59] <reka> Seveas: yes it is. :-)
[09:59] <Toba> how do I tell it to forget the pw?
[09:59] <Seveas> reka, since when?
[09:59] <Toba> su seems to work now
[09:59] <TiMiDo> sudo -s
[09:59] <Seveas> it is *not* the open in browser windows thing...
[09:59] <Seveas> TiMiDo, sudo -i
[09:59] <reka> Seveas: since always ... well in ubuntu distros that is.
[09:59] <TiMiDo> yeah =)
[09:59] <TiMiDo> thnx Seveas
[09:59] <Seveas> NOT -s
[09:59] <michael> cool
[10:00] <reka> edit->prefs->behaviour: enable "always show in browser windows"
[10:00] <Timbo> reka: where is this option?
[10:00] <Timbo> that's something else
[10:00] <Seveas> reka, that is NOT what he was looking for
[10:00] <HappyFool> Toba: read 'man sudo'
[10:00] <reka> one of the first things i do on install
[10:00] <mbirkis> reka: it isn't that one i wan't! ;)
[10:00] <bkinman> how do i kill a single window border in metacity? anyone?
[10:00] <HappyFool> Toba: it looks like you can use 'sudo -k' to make sudo forget the password
[10:00] <Seveas> reka, ubuntu has made a change to spatial mode, which can only be disabled with gconf-editor
[10:00] <Timbo> i don't get that change
[10:00] <chrissturm> bkinman, theres a panel applet for that
[10:00] <Timbo> everybody seems to hate it
[10:01] <reka> Seveas: ok i'm confused. spatial browsing means you get the window w/out the address bar right?
[10:01] <Timbo> is it getting changed back to normal for breezy?
[10:01] <mbirkis> Seveas: i found it... thnx
[10:01] <Seveas> reka, no
[10:01] <bkinman> chrissturm, whats the name of it, you knoe/
[10:01] <Seveas> original spatial mode opened a new window for everything you clicked
[10:01] <Seveas> ubuntu spatial mode closes the parent window if you do that
[10:01] <reka> and that's what he wants?
[10:01] <Toba> ok, working fine now
[10:01] <concept10> I dont understand the big issue about spatial mode
[10:01] <Seveas> reka, yes :)
[10:01] <mbirkis> reka: yes
[10:02] <reka> Seveas: ok, got it. :-)
[10:02] <TiMiDo> Toba: sudo passwd root to enable the root account
[10:02] <delire> concept10: it's fairly polemic
[10:02] <chrissturm> bkinman, force quit
[10:02] <mbirkis> reka: i find it very efficient :)
[10:02] <reka> :-)
[10:02] <Seveas> concept10, there has been a complete riot about it in ubuntu-users and ubuntu-devel :)
[10:02] <bkinman> chrissturm, I just want to kill the border, not the application
[10:02] <concept10> Seveas, lol
[10:02] <chrissturm> bkinman: ic, dunno then
[10:03] <reka> mbirkis: you like having 10 windows open?
[10:03] <concept10> Seveas, the reason I dont understand it is because you can click always open in browser mode in the options if you dont like spatial
[10:03] <Seveas> concept10, some people like the 'icon view'
[10:03] <concept10> maybe im missing something
[10:04] <Flying-Penguin> damn
[10:04] <nalioth> reka: concept10 i have no clue waht spatial is. is there a explanatory link?
[10:04] <chrissturm> the castrated spatial mode must go away for breezy!
[10:04] <reka> nalioth: seveas
[10:04] <reka> :-)
[10:04] <chrissturm> (imho)
[10:05] <reka> chrissturm: that's like removing the tab feature from a browser and enforcing everything open in new windows.
[10:05] <concept10> spatial is when you open a folder or dir with nautilus and it just shows icons instead of being more like explorer in windows
[10:05] <chrissturm> reka: i like spatial, and whoever doenst like it can use browser mode
[10:05] <HappyFool> i think it has to do with multiple windows being open; i think nautilus also 'remembers' where the windows were for when they're next opened
[10:06] <nalioth> concept10: i can switch back and forth from icons to details. didnt think anything of it
[10:06] <mbirkis> HappyFool: yes remember the places nautilus does
[10:06] <chrissturm> spatial mode is great when you get it
[10:06] <concept10> nalioth, http://gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/rnwhatsnew.html
[10:06] <nalioth> chrissturm: got a explanatory link for spatial?
[10:06] <mbirkis> nalioth: google
[10:06] <reka> what needs to be fixed in nautilus is allowing drag-selection in list view
[10:06] <Seveas> google.com?q=spatial+nautilus
[10:07] <reka> it seems it can only be done in icon view
[10:07] <chrissturm> nalioth: http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html
[10:07] <tmdca> Hello. Anyone can give me a tips on a working mp3player for ubuntu?
[10:07] <concept10> What REALLY needs to be fixed in Nautilus is speed
[10:08] <CarlK> once I set essid and key with iwconfig, how can I test to see if it can talk to the AP?
[10:08] <reka> tmdca: beep-media-player
[10:08] <Seveas> tmdca: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:08] <reka> tmdca: if you're having sound problems, it's more likely the output plugin
[10:08] <rg58sma> hot to formmat and mount a W95 FAT32 (LBA)????
[10:08] <CarlK> right now I run dhclient and wait 60 seconds for it to time out
[10:08] <nalioth> tmdca: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[10:08] <mbirkis> Seveas: hmm... after fixing it in gconf it still is ubuntu-spatial
[10:08] <chrissturm> mbirkis, killall nautilus
[10:08] <CarlK> whoops, worng chan...
[10:08] <Seveas> mbirkis, you might have to logout+login
[10:09] <reka> concept10: yep, speed increase would be good too.
[10:09] <tmdca> reka, no i dont. xmms just wont play mp3files
[10:09] <concept10> rg58sma, fdisk -l /dev/hdx
[10:09] <rg58sma> -l
[10:09] <reka> tmdca: i repeat, if you're having sound problems, it's more likely the output plugin.  have you changed it to esd or alsa?
[10:09] <Seveas> tmdca, change the xmms output plugin to esound in order to fix it
[10:09] <nalioth> so THATS why my gnome nautilus windows come up THAT way
[10:10] <tmdca> reka, alsa...
[10:10] <rg58sma> gparted es el partition magic de windows
[10:10] <nalioth> thanks chrissturm
[10:10] <tmdca> Seveas, how?
[10:10] <concept10> Does anyone prefer beep media player over xmms?
[10:10] <reka> concept10: me!
[10:10] <Seveas> tmdca, hit <ctrl>+p to open the preferences
[10:10] <nalioth> concept10: i don't like either on
[10:10] <nalioth> e
[10:10] <Seveas> go to plugins->output plugin
[10:10] <Seveas> and set it ti esound
[10:10] <chrissturm> muine and amarok are both better
[10:11] <reka> concept10: the problem is people don't know about it.
[10:11] <Seveas> chrissturm, with too high dependencies too :)
[10:11] <reka> until you tell them
[10:11] <Seveas> mono still isn't default and quite a big dependency for a music player
[10:11] <concept10> nalioth, why not?
[10:11] <mbirkis> Seveas: still no luck! hmm, what am i doing wrong?
[10:11] <stjepan> hi
[10:11] <stjepan> whati is diff?
[10:11] <Seveas> and amarok leads to kde, kde leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
[10:11] <SoylentOrbo> Got some Live CD oddness: XScreensaver kicked in, and now I can't get out of it because there's no password for user ubuntu; just responds with "Login cancelled"
[10:11] <concept10> Seveas, thats a correct statement
[10:11] <HappyFool> stjepan: diff is a utility to tell you how two files are different
[10:12] <reka> concept10: i'd like auto-tagging of the mp3 id info ... dare i say like wmp?
[10:12] <chrissturm> sevead: quod libet rocks
[10:12] <Flickie> Nah not working
[10:12] <HappyFool> stjepan: try 'man diff' for more information
[10:12] <XRoader> Hi, I'm trying to change preferences in Mozilla Firefox, but it comes up with XML Parsing Error: root.disabled = "true", is there anyway for me to change preferences without going onto root?
[10:12] <stjepan> HappyFool: Now I am in windows
[10:12] <concept10> I used amarok when I used KDE a year ago but havent since.
[10:12] <stjepan> :(
[10:12] <stjepan> what is it?
[10:12] <HappyFool> stjepan: i think i misunderstood your question
[10:13] <justin> SoylentOrbo: control-alt-f1
[10:13] <HappyFool> stjepan: what do you wish to know?
[10:13] <stjepan> what is it?
[10:13] <stjepan> ok
[10:13] <nalioth> concept10: cuz i'm old and blind and can't see the bloody thing (even enough to 'double-size' it)
[10:13] <stjepan> there is download
[10:13] <HappyFool> stjepan: what is what?
[10:13] <Flickie> anyone else got a speedtouch modem?
[10:13] <stjepan> there is diff download
[10:13] <concept10> reka, you mean the player accessing the info from the net?
[10:13] <stjepan> what's that?
[10:14] <concept10> nalioth, there is a good theme for ubuntu, it fits right in
[10:14] <HappyFool> stjepan: i don't know what easiest way to get diff for windows is. You could try installing cygwin, but that's a big download for one little program
[10:14] <stjepan> oh
[10:14] <concept10> nalioth, but it wont help any if you cant see it. :)  I use double size too (im getting old and blind also)
[10:14] <tmdca> Thanks again. You are the best! =D
[10:14] <SoylentOrbo> ok, problem solved: just went into tty1 and used sudo passwd. But does anyone know the default pass for the live cd?
[10:15] <Seveas> SoylentOrbo, there is none...
[10:15] <HappyFool> stjepan: cygwin is here: http://www.cygwin.com/
[10:15] <stjepan> yes
[10:15] <stjepan> I know
[10:15] <stjepan> tnx
[10:15] <HappyFool> stjepan: otherwise google for 'windows diff' -- i got several hits
[10:15] <Flickie> Grr might aswell just buy another modem that aint usb
[10:15] <SoylentOrbo> ok, as I thought. So it's an xscreensaver "problem" that it can't accept a blank entry.
[10:16] <nalioth> concept10: i've never been a fan of xmms/winamp/bmp
[10:17] <nalioth> concept10: never have got it to work correctly, and other players work fine
[10:17] <concept10> nalioth, what do you use?
[10:17] <concept10> I might need something else that could remember the directory of music files
[10:17] <nalioth> concept10: rhythmbox, vlc or other
[10:17] <HappyFool> nalioth cats mp3s to /dev/dsp and does the decoding in wetware ;)
[10:18] <nalioth> HappyFool: actually the equation i use is much more fancy than that
[10:18] <jnoreiko> hi
[10:18] <amonkey> can you install ubuntu on a comp without a bootable cddrive without using tftp and netboot?
[10:18] <jnoreiko> is there a way to bookmark favourite channels in X-chat?
[10:18] <nalioth> amonkey: got a floppy?
[10:18] <nalioth> here we go again
[10:18] <Seveas> jnoreiko, you can set them to autojoin...
[10:19] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: you can set channels to be joined on connect
[10:19] <amonkey> nalioth, yeah, i installed dsl via floppy but it's version of x won't do my laptop's vid card
[10:19] <lcore> Howto mount creative mp3 player in ubuntu? In suse I've used subfs. Here I don't know where to start. lsusb shows it's Bus 002 Device 003 Class SCSI. Any help apreciated.
[10:19] <nalioth> amonkey: go to debian, get a sarge net install floppy image
[10:19] <nalioth> amonkey: install sarge minimally
[10:20] <Seveas> nalioth, let them use woody to avoid dependency problems..
[10:20] <nalioth> amonkey: then change the sources.list for ubuntus sources.list (found at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/) and update
[10:20] <nalioth> amonkey: ok, use the woody inst image
[10:20] <nalioth> amonkey: then after you update with the ubuntu sources.list, rememeber that "ubuntu-desktop" is your friend
[10:21] <Anon1922> is ubuntu easier to use than windows?
[10:21] <nalioth> Seveas: woody, sarge, godzilla, "traci lords", all these debian names i'm cluesless about
[10:21] <amonkey> nalioth, will try, thanks. would smart bootmanager let me boot off the cdrom?
[10:21] <chrissturm> Anon1922, sure
[10:21] <Anon1922> how?
[10:21] <nalioth> amonkey: whats that?
[10:21] <chrissturm> gnome is very end user friendly
[10:22] <Anon1922> what about the terminal thingy, that isn't easy
[10:22] <nalioth> Seveas: is there a "make floppy image" thing in the ubuntu install cd?
[10:22] <lapo> hi
[10:22] <HappyFool> Anon1922: what do you wish to do with your computer ?
[10:22] <Seveas> nalioth, not yet
[10:22] <HappyFool> Anon1922: word-processing, e-mail, web-browsing? something else?
[10:22] <Anon1922> happyfool: just simple stuff. games, inet, email, openoffice
[10:22] <amonkey> nalioth, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1113587843
[10:22] <keyes> hello
[10:23] <concept10> HappyFool, you almost sounded like a microsoft commercial
[10:23] <Seveas> Anon1922, you will not need the terminal too often in Ubuntu
[10:23] <Anon1922> i put in for the shipit for some cds
[10:23] <keyes> does anyone have a Skype working with an USB recorder ?
[10:23] <HappyFool> concept10: assimilation is inevitable
[10:23] <keyes> usb mic
[10:23] <Anon1922> what about drivers
[10:23] <HappyFool> Anon1922: unless you have unusual hardware, or wish to play windows only games, ubuntu should be sufficient for your needs
[10:23] <Anon1922> my hardware doesnt have linux drivers
[10:23] <Seveas> Anon1922, which hardware?
[10:23] <HappyFool> Anon1922: what hardware is it?
[10:23] <chrissturm> Anon1922, you can try the livecd
[10:24] <Kyral> Anon1922: And for gaming, try Cedega :P
[10:24] <Anon1922> ati radeon 9800pro, creative zudigy 2 z5 platinum pro, terminator studio tv
[10:24] <Anon1922> on the livecd, i get no sound
[10:24] <jnoreiko> what download manager do you guys use?
[10:24] <Seveas> Anon1922, the ati is supported
[10:24] <jnoreiko> apt-get just told me for gwget: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[10:25] <Anon1922> ok what about the others
[10:25] <Seveas> for the audigy there is a howto on the forums
[10:25] <Kyral> jnoreiko: The one in Firefox
[10:25] <Anon1922> where?
[10:25] <Seveas> ubuntuforums.org
[10:25] <Anon1922> like a specific link
[10:25] <jnoreiko> firefox doesn't support resume though
[10:25] <Seveas> dunno about the TV card, but most tv cards are supported...
[10:25] <Anon1922> ok, but the sound didnt work when i did the live cd though
[10:26] <Seveas> Anon1922, that's because you need a little trick for the audigy
[10:26] <Seveas> and that trick has not yeet been implemented on the LiveCD
[10:26] <nalioth> jnoreiko: for command line, i use wget or curl
[10:26] <Anon1922> and where is that link though
[10:26] <nalioth> jnoreiko: they both resume, and i believe wget has a gui frontend somewhre (i use CLI 95% of the time)
[10:26] <Seveas> there's gwget
[10:27] <Anon1922> seveas: link plz?
[10:27] <Seveas> Anon1922, i don't know the exact link
[10:27] <nalioth> amonkey: you can try the smartboot thing, i've no experience with it. if it works, it may be quicker
[10:27] <jnoreiko> yeah, but I got a scary message from apt-get for gwget :(
[10:27] <Anon1922> how could i get it then
[10:27] <Seveas> but ubuntuforums.org has a search function :)
[10:27] <Anon1922> ok
[10:27] <jnoreiko> I'd forgotten about command line stuff. wget will do the trick :)
[10:27] <Kyral> jnoreiko: Means nothing
[10:27] <nalioth> Seveas: is that a gtk-wget thang or gnome-wget?
[10:28] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: try 'apt-get update'  -- every now and then i get that do, but updating usually fixes it
[10:28] <jnoreiko> I would use azureus, but my ISP seems to choke on torrents
[10:28] <dali> has anyone successfully compiled luminocity on Hoary, and if so - any help?  mine is erroring out
[10:29] <Seveas> nalioth, it uses gtk2 :)
[10:29] <Seveas> so gnome-wget
[10:29] <Flickie> Got it to work :D
[10:29] <nalioth> Seveas: ok just wondering (i'll stick with my website pounding CLI wget)
[10:29] <Flickie> But hmmm need to get it to boot when the pc does now
[10:29] <Flickie> To automatically dial-in when the PC boots up :
[10:29] <Flickie> /usr/lib/lsb/install_initd /etc/init.d/speedtouch
[10:29] <Flickie> Do you want to set this up now? (Yes / No)
[10:29] <Flickie> Yes
[10:29] <Flickie> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:29] <Flickie>   File "/usr/lib/lsb/install_initd", line 46, in ?
[10:29] <Flickie>     headers = initdutils.scan_initfile(initfile)
[10:29] <Flickie>   File "/usr/lib/lsb/initdutils.py", line 78, in scan_initfile
[10:29] <Flickie>     inheaders = RFC822Parser(strob=headerlines)
[10:29] <HappyFool> nyargh
[10:29] <Flickie>   File "/usr/lib/lsb/initdutils.py", line 17, in __init__
[10:29] <TokenBad> is there a way to install rpm files in ubuntu?
[10:30] <Flickie>     raise ValueError, 'need a file or string'
[10:30] <Flickie> ValueError: need a file or string
[10:30] <Seveas> damn..
[10:30] <jnoreiko> TokenBad, use alien AFAIK
[10:30] <nalioth> TokenBad: use alian
[10:30] <Seveas> Flickie, FOOL
[10:30] <nalioth> alien
[10:30] <Seveas> read the topic
[10:30] <nalioth> Flickie: there is a channel for that. #flood
[10:31] <TokenBad> can get that through apt-get?
[10:31] <nalioth> TokenBad: if its not already on your system
[10:31] <dali> should already be there
[10:31] <TokenBad> type it at the prompt
[10:31] <TokenBad> got not found
[10:31] <jnoreiko> I had trouble with alien. I couldn't get OOo rmps to install
[10:32] <jnoreiko> just now downloading unofficial deb builds of 1.9 though :)
[10:33] <Seveas> jnoreiko, ubuntu has debs of 1.9
[10:33] <Seveas> in Hoary multiverse
[10:33] <Seveas> universe*
[10:33] <jnoreiko> oh cool
[10:33] <jnoreiko> I didn't know
[10:33] <Seveas> they're called openoffice.org2
[10:34] <concept10> anyone know how to show userlist in xchat?
[10:34] <jnoreiko> well I'm 46% of the debs from the other site... think they'll be significantly different?
[10:34] <Seveas> jnoreiko, probably...
[10:34] <dali> a little luminocity compiling help, anyone?
[10:34] <TokenBad> so alien isn't on my system
[10:35] <Seveas> TokenBad, it should be
[10:35] <Seveas> otherwise install the alien package :)
[10:35] <karlheg> CarlK, you here?
[10:35] <Anon1922> seveas: i just searched the forums and didnt find anything that pertained to mine
[10:36] <Seveas> Anon1922, you can use generic Audigy instructions..
[10:36] <CarlK> yes
[10:36] <TokenBad> what was command again to install deb files?
[10:36] <karlheg> CarlK, you need to set the WEP key in the interfaces file.
[10:36] <Seveas> TokenBad, dpkg -i <debfile>
[10:36] <nalioth> TokenBad: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[10:37] <karlheg> CarlK, less /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools
[10:37] <karlheg> CarlK, that script is what parses added options set in /etc/network/interfaces that control WIFI settings.
[10:38] <CarlK> karlheg - does it end up calling iwconfig?
[10:38] <XRoader> Hey, I have just installed Ubuntu and am wondering why Eclipse isn't on Synaptic, does anybody know why?
[10:38] <karlheg> CarlK, you can get the correct names from there and by reading the "man interfaces" to learn how it translates from what's typed in "interfaces" to a shell environment variable name...
[10:38] <XRoader> I have enabled universal section btw
[10:38] <squinn> XRoader, what's eclipse?
[10:39] <XRoader> squinn: An IDE, primeraly for Java
[10:39] <holycow> what is lpt1 device as a udev device? still lpt1?
[10:39] <HappyFool> XRoader: i see something called 'ecj-bootstrap', described as bootstrap version of the Eclipse Java compiler -- does that help ?
[10:39] <karlheg> It upper-cases, and prefixes with "IF_", so in the "interfaces" file, you say "wireless_key THE_KEY_HERE".
[10:39] <CarlK> karlheg - isn't that the long way of doing: # iwconfig eth1 essid "Library Wireless" key s:petoskeypublb
[10:40] <karlheg> norm_, it's simpler, since it stays in the "interfaces" conffile.
[10:40] <XRoader> HappyFool: Thanks, I'll check that, maybe there's still hope
[10:40] <karlheg> You put:  wireless_essid Library Wireless
[10:40] <karlheg> wireless_key MY KEY HERE
[10:41] <karlheg> ... under the entry for the interface.
[10:41] <karlheg> Do you understand?
[10:41] <scorpix> how can make firefox run thunderbirn when i click on "mailto:" link?
[10:41] <concept10> XRoader, i have all the repos and I dont see it you may have to get it from the homepage
[10:41] <CarlK> karlheg - yes...
[10:41] <concept10> sco
[10:41] <karlheg> Try it and page me if it does not work.
[10:41] <CarlK> karlheg, I don;t think you understand me, but I will follow your instructjions ;)
[10:41] <HappyFool> XRoader: or see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[10:41] <concept10> scorpix, enable thunderbird in preffered applications
[10:42] <karlheg> Ok.
[10:42] <LeeColleton> scorpix: system > preferences > preffered apps
[10:42] <concept10> scorpix, system > preferences > preffered apps
[10:42] <CarlK> ok, got  interfaces setup.  what next?
[10:42] <concept10> lol
[10:42] <karlheg> CarlK, Look in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools at the README.Debian.
[10:42] <XRoader> concept10: I've actually already downloaded it (all ~75MB :O), it's just it's a little strange, I'll investigate in a minute
[10:42] <karlheg> It's all explained there.
[10:42] <XRoader> happyfool: Thanks for the URL
[10:42] <HappyFool> np
[10:43] <nalioth> scorpix: check this out http://internet.newsforge.com/internet/05/05/26/1525248.shtml?tid=144
[10:43] <karlheg> :-)  You can't read a manual you don't know exists.
[10:43] <nalioth> karlheg: use galeon. its start page has links to all the docs on your system
[10:43] <CarlK> justin - yeah - I have been trying to get iwconfig ... to use my parameters, but dhclient still doesn't get an IP, and I don't see how to debug what isn't right
[10:43] <abbas>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
[10:44] <karlheg> nalioth, Nice.  All the browsers should have that, and a nicely populated set of default bookmarks.
[10:44] <brk3> just wondering.. how come ubuntu doesnt have this: http://www.bootsplash.org
[10:45] <djm61> karlheg: all documentation is in /usr/share/doc, as a last resort
[10:45] <justin> CarlK: run iwconfig, take notice of every field
[10:45] <djm61> brk3: schtop! this software's not ready
[10:45] <karlheg> brk3, search the wiki for "usplash".
[10:45] <nalioth> karlheg: well, galeon is the 'native gnome browser'
[10:45] <envel> How to check hard disk surface?
[10:45] <Seveas> brk3, because ubuntu will use a usermode bootsplash...
[10:45] <djm61> brk3: it will have it, but not in default hoary
[10:45] <HappyFool> envel: scanning tunneling microscope, i would guess
[10:45] <top-cat> hi. i have a rather long problem and I'm unsure whether to type it here or post it onto the forums. it's regarding installation (lol n00bed) and requires a fair deal of eleboration!
[10:45] <karlheg> djm61, Sure.  How do people discover that fact?
[10:45] <Seveas> djm61, ubuntu will never have bootsplash from bootsplash.org
[10:45] <envel> HappyFool: ahaha! Cool!
[10:46] <CarlK> justin - if iwconfig shows an AP's MAC, shouldn't that mean it has a good connection?
[10:46] <envel> HappyFool: I mean to find all bad sectors (sorry for my english)
[10:46] <djm61> karlheg: it's debian's standard way of laying out a filesystem, but in practice, just the same way you've just learned it
[10:46] <HappyFool> envel: ;-) heh. sorry, i don't know
[10:46] <justin> CarlK: that's a good sign, yes
[10:47] <CarlK> karlheg - read over readme.debian... what next?
[10:47] <brk3> it should have it though.. the boot messages scrolling down the screen isnt exactly in keeping with ubuntus 'human friendly' thing
[10:47] <bl4cktone> Anyone running ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 9300?
[10:47] <CarlK> justin - so why does my win box get an IP, but running dhclient and dhclient3 on the ubuntu box just times out?
[10:48] <XRoader> Newbie Problem: I downloaded/installed a Maths program called Maxima and I'm in usr/lib/maxima/5.9.1 and there's a maxima executable but its 22mb, should it be this large and how can I execute it (double clicking it doesn't seem to work, maybe I'm missing a fundamental linux task)
[10:48] <HappyFool> XRoader: i have a feeling maxima is command-line
[10:48] <jnoreiko> any guesses when firefox are going to fix the linux menu pop-up bug?
[10:48] <justin> CarlK: wrong key? what do the stats in iwconfig say about invalid crypt and stuff?
[10:48] <tefla> hi folks, is there a way for me to watch movies in the background, for example of the shell window? or the background of a text editor?
[10:48] <HappyFool> XRoader: try starting a terminal (Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal) and type 'maxima'<enter>
[10:48] <HappyFool> err
[10:48] <roger__> dual booting question - had Windows XP installed and just installed Ubuntu on the same hard disk using some free space on the drive - Ubuntu works fine but when trying to boot Windows nothing happens. GRUB has overwritten the  MBR but hasn't touched the Windows partition - does anyone have any ideas what's wrong please?
[10:48] <HappyFool> maxima<enter>
[10:48] <brk3> jnoreiko: what bug?
[10:48] <XRoader> HappyFool, oh damn yeah I never tried, in fact I should have since I have another maths app for the command line
[10:48] <XRoader> thanks
[10:49] <XRoader> again :)
[10:49] <CarlK> justin - let me try with a bunk key
[10:49] <karlheg> CarlK, sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:49] <HappyFool> XRoader: i think there's an emacs mode for maxima
[10:49] <karlheg> CarlK, sudo ifup wlan0
[10:49] <dali> has anyone successfully compiled luminocity on hoary??
[10:49] <HappyFool> XRoader: which may be more usable than bare command-line, though i've never used it
[10:49] <karlheg> CarlK, You can do it!  Next release will have a much nicer way of doing that...
[10:49] <CarlK> justin - if I pass a bad key, iwconfig errors, so looks like the s:keystring is good
[10:49] <jnoreiko> brk3, it's in bugzilla... but maybe it's been fixed already. the submenus did this annoying disappearing act
[10:50] <bl4cktone> like the new Gorillaz Album but my inspiron doesn't seem to be giving bass out the subwoofer on the bottom of my laptop
[10:50] <dougsk> XRoader, you might look into mascyma
[10:50] <jnoreiko> ah no, they still do it
[10:50] <justin> CarlK: what "bad key" did you tell it to use?
[10:50] <karlheg> CarlK, Hey, come to think of it, there IS a gui for that now.  I've been editting conffiles for so long I forget about the new tools.
[10:50] <justin> CarlK: there is a difference between "bad key" and "wrong key" some things are just not even valid
[10:50] <jnoreiko> open a bookmark submenu by hovering on it. Now change your mind and move to the next one.
[10:50] <karlheg> CarlK, You can use the network configuration tool on the System --> Administration menu, I think.
[10:50] <CarlK> karlheg - yeah, but the current gui doesnt expose the errors, it jsut closed the dialog like everyint is OK
[10:50] <rancorus> Hi, I have a kodax digital camera and gtkam of digikam cannot detect it. Is there something i can do ?
[10:51] <refuze2looze> what's a good firefox plugin to view video/music?
[10:51] <CarlK> justin iwconfig key s:foobar
[10:51] <justin> CarlK: iwconfig ethx key s:foobar
[10:51] <XRoader> dougsk: Is that another Maths program, I cannot check on Synaptic since I'm downloading emacs for maxima
[10:51] <r0d> I have to 'etc/alsa force-reload' and unmute all my channels in order for my sound to work. any idea's ?
[10:51] <r0d> */etc/init.d/alsa
[10:51] <karlheg> CarlK, Ah.  so use the "sudo ifup" from the command line, and see the error printouts.  You might find the errors from the tool in ~/.xsession-errors too.
[10:51] <CarlK> arg... no, i did't use foobar, i pubt foobar on the end of the right key and i think it is too long
[10:51] <karlheg> tail -f ~/.xsession-errors
[10:51] <dougsk> XRoader, that's a gui that maekes use of Texmacs to edit equations
[10:52] <tefla> refuze2looze: try the mplayer plugin for mozilla (use synaptic or apt-get)
[10:52] <karlheg> CarlK, Ok, I gotta go back to work.  Good luck.
[10:52] <CarlK> karlheg - thanks anyway
[10:52] <karlheg> XRoader, try TeXmacs with Maxima.  It's awesome!
[10:52] <CarlK> karlheg - Ill be testing the new gui's ;)
[10:52] <karlheg> :-)
[10:52] <XRoader> dougsk: Oh okay, you wouldn't happen to know the files I need for me to be able to make documents with LaTeX
[10:53] <karlheg> 'network-manager' will be in Breezy.
[10:53] <karlheg> I have not tried it yet.  They are doing integration work now, probably as we speak.
[10:53] <Seveas> XRoader, tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-extra
[10:53] <XRoader> karlheg: If only my damn internet connection would download faster (well 110kbps ain't bad) I'd have a huge selection of maths programs
[10:53] <CarlK> justin - s:foobar, no error, and iwconfig just shows key: 666f-6f... the hex versiopn of foobar
[10:53] <karlheg> (NetworkManager)
[10:53] <XRoader> seveas: Thanks :)
[10:53] <refuze2looze> tefla: i tried that one but sometimes it causes firefox to exit due to segmentation fault
[10:54] <XRoader> fortunately those tetex programs have already been downloaded
[10:54] <XRoader> am I right in calling the things I download from synaptic programs?
[10:54] <karlheg> XRoader, I used TeXmacs and Maxima for all of my Calculus homework.  The TeXmacs math editting is superior to any editor ever written, though LyX comes very close.
[10:54] <Seveas> XRoader, not always
[10:54] <karlheg> I think that LyX pioneered it.
[10:54] <Seveas> but in this case: yes
[10:54] <CarlK> justin and s:foobar, iwconfig still shows the AP's mac, so tghat doesn't prove anything
[10:54] <HappyFool> karlheg: eh, what about emacs auctex mode :P
[10:54] <karlheg> They work in a similar fashion.
[10:55] <XRoader> karlheg: Right, I'll try them both, see which I prefer
[10:55] <karlheg> the one in 'Word' and 'OpenOffice' are not as easy to use, and don't make as nice of result.
[10:55] <karlheg> HappyFool, :-)  XEmacs is my OS.
[10:55] <karlheg> I was LaTeX'ing math homework as a freshman.
[10:56] <LeeColleton> Emacs: not just an OS, it's a religion
[10:56] <karlheg> Linux geeks are just like that, I guess.  We have higher averages than most...  right?
[10:56] <roger__> dual booting question - had Windows XP installed and just installed Ubuntu on the same hard disk using some free space on the drive - Ubuntu works fine but when trying to boot Windows nothing happens. GRUB has overwritten the  MBR but hasn't touched the Windows partition - does anyone have any ideas what's wrong please?
[10:56] <HappyFool> LeeColleton: the *true* religion
[10:56] <LeeColleton> Praise St. GNUcius
[10:56] <Seveas> I beg to differ :)
[10:56] <HappyFool> except i haven't figured out how to get calendaring etc going
[10:56] <TiMiDo> roger__: try mounting the windows,
[10:56] <karlheg> Emacs Makes A Computer Superior.
[10:57] <XRoader> I think the day I decided to try out Linux was the day I had to format Windows 5 times in one day
[10:57] <HappyFool> so i'm stuck with outlook for that oh joy
[10:57] <Seveas> omfg, that's the worst gnucronym ever...
[10:57] <Seveas> :)
[10:57] <r0d> I have to 'etc/init.d/alsa force-reload' and unmute all my channels in order for my sound to work. any idea's ?
[10:57] <karlheg> roger__, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if there's an entry for XP listed.
[10:57] <e-head> Seveas: question ...
[10:57] <karlheg> roger__, is it shown in the boot menu?
[10:58] <TiMiDo> r0d: which sound card?
[10:58] <r0d> TiMiDo, Nvida nforce2
[10:58] <roger__> karlheg: yeah the option is there, but after selecting it it just hangs and nothing actually happens
[10:58] <TiMiDo> r0d: do you have the alsamixer?
[10:58] <tefla> hi folks, is there a way for me to watch movies in the background, for example of the shell window? or the background of a text editor?
[10:58] <LeeColleton> sorry Seveas, it's supposed to be Saint IGNUcius
[10:59] <r0d> Timbo,  yep'
[10:59] <r0d> TiMiDo, yep
[10:59] <r0d> lol
[10:59] <roger__> karlheg: the partition mounts fine when in Ubuntu, but it won't boot
[10:59] <Seveas> roger__, can you paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst and the output of sudo fdisk -l on paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[10:59] <TiMiDo> open it up
[10:59] <r0d> did
[10:59] <karlheg> What does the block say in menu.lst for XP?
[10:59] <tahorg> hi
[10:59] <LeeColleton> http://www.stallman.org/saint.html
[10:59] <TiMiDo> r0d: any errors?
[10:59] <karlheg> Anyone have one that works for roger__ to look at?
[10:59] <e-head> So essentially, at start up ... grub/lilo reads the kernel, creates the initrd in memory, processes the linuxrc file on said initrd, kernel loads modules needed to access root filesystem, chroot/pivot_root is performed, initrd unloaded from memory, then using hotplug all devices/drivers are loaded and configured ?
[10:59] <r0d> nope all are unmuted except the 3d
[10:59] <karlheg> I don't use anything but Ubuntu...
[10:59] <tahorg> anyone here has already configured a polypaudio client/server ?
[10:59] <r0d> 3d control
[11:00] <TiMiDo> ok
[11:00] <Seveas> e-head, sort of
[11:00] <karlheg> It's not cool for it to not allow you the freedom of choice though.  I hope you get it to work.
[11:00] <TiMiDo> take out the unmuted on 3d
[11:00] <tahorg> documentation is REALLY short
[11:00] <amr>  22:00:22 up 2 days,  5:14,  2 users,  load average: 0.50, 0.73, 0.68
[11:00] <amr> ;o
[11:00] <r0d> k
[11:00] <amr> shiat
[11:00] <e-head> grub obviously can read ext3, even though the kernel can not (w/o module loaded)
[11:01] <r0d> done TiMiDo
[11:01] <Seveas> e-head, correct
[11:01] <TiMiDo> try opening xmms,
[11:01] <TiMiDo> or play something with the sound card
[11:01] <Seveas> that's what stage2.ext3 in /boot/grub is for
[11:01] <e-head> Seveas: so, what did i screw up ?
[11:01] <r0d> TiMiDo,  it works, but when i reboot. the alsa daemon isnt up
[11:01] <roger__> Seveas: it's up
[11:01] <sly> yo, anyone know what the average glxgears output is for a gforce 4 ti ? just wanted to know if everything is up to scratch
[11:01] <r0d> TiMiDo,  and I have to force the bastard up.
[11:01] <sly> as it takes several minuets to boot up UT, but after that is fine =\
[11:01] <TiMiDo> why do you reboot the alsa deamon?
[11:01] <karlheg> roger__, It booted XP now?
[11:02] <r0d> be its not running when i boot up
[11:02] <r0d> *because
[11:02] <e-head> and also ... i expected linuxrc on initrd to have a chroot/pivot_root command ? is this just automatically done by kernel ? If it "knows" it was booted from initrd ?
[11:02] <roger__> sly: I used to get ~3800 on my old geforce 4200 ti
[11:02] <roger__> sly: with latest nvidia drivers
[11:02] <TiMiDo> r0d: interesting hold up a sec
[11:02] <Seveas> roger__, root (hd3,0) doesn't seem to be correct
[11:02] <sly> hmmm =\
[11:02] <roger__> karlheg: no I'm in Ubuntu... I meant the details are up on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:02] <sly> sly@DarkStar:~$ glxgears
[11:02] <Seveas> roger__, given that windows is on (hd0,1)
[11:02] <sly> 6247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1249.400 FPS
[11:02] <sly> 8078 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1615.600 FPS
[11:02] <sly> 8181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1636.200 FPS
[11:02] <e-head> linuxrc hardly has anything in it at all ... but there was one hint, where it "cats" the "real" root device to a file ...
[11:02] <sly> maybe not then eh , =\
[11:03] <Seveas> roger__, can you please post your *complete* menu.lst too
[11:03] <roger__> Seveas: it is, I just cropped the output from fdisk
[11:03] <e-head> so i'm presumming the kernel "sees" this and just does the pivot_root ?
[11:03] <roger__> Seveas: ok will put the whole lot up.. just a min
[11:04] <Seveas> roger__, put the complete output of fdisk too then
[11:04] <TiMiDo> r0d: go to cd /etc/init.d/
[11:04] <TiMiDo> and do you see anything called alsa?
[11:04] <r0d> lol yea TiMiDo
[11:04] <RzR> hi
[11:04] <r0d> i did /etc/init.d/alsa start
[11:04] <TiMiDo> alright
[11:04] <RzR> i lost my mbr , i can not boot windows anymore, can you help ?
[11:04] <CarlK> justin - if I am not getting any link quality, signal level, etc... any idea what that means?
[11:04] <RzR> thats my err : windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: <windows 2000 root>/system32/ntoskrnl.exe
[11:05] <Seveas> RzR, you didn't lose your mbr then, but a file on your disk
[11:05] <Seveas> RzR, mount the disk in linux to see if it is actually missing
[11:05] <RzR> which one ?
[11:05] <RzR> i see that ntoskrnl.exe
[11:05] <Seveas> <windows 2000 root>/system32/ntoskrnl.exe
[11:05] <r0d> It's really crazy TiMiDo... I did all the normal procedures for loading a deamon and testing sound channels
[11:06] <CarlK> omg.. i switched nics and now I have an iP
[11:06] <roger__> Seveas: full listing is up - hda and hdb are old disks from previous installation, don't have any OS files on them
[11:06] <TiMiDo> r0d: hold up a sec let me look it up
[11:06] <r0d> kool
[11:06] <CarlK> wa!,,. the IP went away
[11:07] <r0d> RzR, recovery console my friend. its on the xp cd
[11:07] <RzR> i dont use xp
[11:07] <r0d> or 2k
[11:07] <RzR> see the 2k up ^
[11:07] <roger__> Seveas: just noticed the Windows partition has the bootable flag and not my /boot partition (sda4) - could that be the problem do you think?
[11:07] <r0d> same thing mostly
[11:07] <TiMiDo> r0d: go to /etc/modules.conf
[11:07] <Seveas> roger__, no
[11:07] <r0d> some dude had same problem yesterday. use fixmbr, fixboot command
[11:08] <r0d> k TiMiDo
[11:08] <zyth> dos disk, fdisk /mbr
[11:08] <Seveas> roger__, "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
[11:08] <zyth> lol
[11:08] <cary> seveas, you around?
[11:08] <Seveas> that worries me
[11:08] <Seveas> maybe it confises windows
[11:08] <cary> seveas, awesome. I SEE YOUR TYPING
[11:08] <cary> mauahahahahaha
[11:08] <RzR> searcher`: i have the same message too
[11:08] <RzR> "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
[11:08] <Seveas> roger__, by the way, does windows think it is installed on C:\
[11:08] <Seveas> ?
[11:09] <RzR> and my windows used to be on D:
[11:09] <roger__> Seveas: yeah, it can't see any other partitions (they're all non-Windows)
[11:09] <Seveas> hi cary :0
[11:09] <cary> seveas, when you get a second i have a question about yaboot stuff and the kernel i compiled yesterday
[11:09] <cary> serveas, how sit going?
[11:09] <Seveas> roger__, try hide (hd0) and hide (hd1) in grub
[11:09] <Seveas> maybe it works
[11:10] <r0d> TiMiDo,  what am i looking for?
[11:10] <TiMiDo> do you see anything there with alsa?
[11:10] <r0d> do i add alsa Timbo
[11:10] <Seveas> cary, yeah I saw that it went wrong, but I cannot help you further since I don't use a mac myself, sorry
[11:10] <r0d> no
[11:10] <tefla> hi does anyone know of a text editor or X terminal emulator that can play videos in the background?
[11:10] <roger__> Seveas: just at the top of the file?
[11:10] <TiMiDo> that's great
[11:10] <Seveas> roger__, no, just before the boot in the winxp entry
[11:10] <r0d> so thats the prob?
[11:10] <TiMiDo> yeap,
[11:10] <djm61> tefla: I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen
[11:10] <r0d> woohoo!! u rock
[11:10] <TiMiDo> do you know you'r sound card modules?
[11:10] <CarlK> justin - im still stuck - any advice before I just try to find an open wifi?
[11:10] <roger__> Seveas: thanks will give it a shot ;)
[11:10] <cary> seveas, ahha. thats cool
[11:10] <r0d> TiMiDo, no off had, ill just lsmod it
[11:11] <r0d> *hand
[11:11] <bkinman> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". ??? im using fglrx ati drivers, why am i getting this error, anyone?
[11:11] <r0d> cant spell today
[11:11] <Seveas> roger__, while you're at it:
[11:11] <CarlK> and have to tell my GF why she can't use her laptop in the library....
[11:11] <TiMiDo> r0d: do this apt-get install modconf and try adding the modules there,
[11:11] <tefla> djm61: always worth a shot :)
[11:11] <r0d> k
[11:11] <TiMiDo> grrr try searching for the modules there =)
[11:11] <cary> now i guess i get to wait for pfp! woohoo
[11:11] <TiMiDo> is graphical
[11:11] <Seveas> hide (hd3,1) hide(hd3,2) hide(hd3,3) hide(hd3,4)
[11:11] <djm61> tefla: it would be easier to get mplayer to overlay text if you feel up to it...or possibly wait for the great new X compositing to mature
[11:12] <TiMiDo> brb gonna smoked a cig
[11:12] <r0d> hey TiMiDo , theirs nothing in the repository w/ that
[11:12] <cary> seveas, i didnt know about "tab" thing at the yaboot prompt, so i can at least boot ubuntu again, but when i tried to boot the new kernel, thats where it franked up
[11:12] <tefla> djm61: using the mplayer source code?
[11:13] <r0d> TiMiDo, so init looks a module for loading deamons?
[11:13] <r0d> *at
[11:13] <djm61> tefla: if you can do it from the binary, there is nothing I could possibly tell you ;)
[11:13] <Seveas> cary, try asking on the mailinglist, there are more smart people there
[11:13] <RzR> Seveas: i have a copy of previous MBR btw can this help ?
[11:13] <cary> seveas, is there a place i can look up info on changing the default boot option in yaboot?
[11:13] <Firetech> what exactly are the ubuntu kernel packages do? or, in other words, what can go wrong if I install an "original" 2.6.12 kernel?
[11:13] <Seveas> cary, no idea, as I said I never used a mac
[11:13] <Seveas> so I don't know anything about yaboot
[11:13] <Firetech> *do-> for
[11:14] <cary> seveas, cool. thanks. thanks for all your help.
[11:14] <tefla> i might try a mplayer xterm merge :) could be fun. not exactly sure of the professional uses it may have :|
[11:14] <cary> seveas, haha.. didnt knwo if yaboot was a mac only thing. i shall let you get back to being helpful to others. (thanks)
[11:14] <tefla> djm61: i might try a mplayer xterm merge :) could be fun. not exactly sure of the professional uses it may have :|
[11:15] <Seveas> cary, you're welcome :)
[11:15] <Flying-Llama> here we go...
[11:15] <Flying-Llama> on my iBook G3, 800mhz, the dual usb snow white version (not the clamshell). I'm not able to get my airport card connected to my network (i'm using the old, standard card, not the broadcam, but the base station, or access point, is Extreme). In system/administration/networking, I can go and enable the card (eth1), which says its active, though when I close it and reopen it (not even a reboot), goes back to being deactivated
[11:15] <djm61> tefla: mplayer has text display...the trick would be just the terminal emulation (and font size)
[11:16] <Bill> hi
[11:16] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, i think the macintosh disables the network card automatically on close...
[11:16] <Flying-Llama> really?
[11:16] <Bill> can anyone help with installing wifi adapters
[11:16] <Bill> on ubuntu
[11:16] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, i assume you mean closing the lid though...
[11:16] <abarbaccia> hey guys, when i download things to my desktop they dont show up
[11:16] <TiMiDo> no news r0d ?
[11:16] <abarbaccia> any way to quickly fix this?
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: no
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> only the window
[11:17] <Seveas> abarbaccia, hit <ctrl>r while having all apps minimized
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> the network configuration window
[11:17] <r0d> TiMiDo, well looking w/ lsmod was alittle harder then i thought. theirs tons of audio modules
[11:17] <Bill> I have installed ndiswrapper
[11:17] <TiMiDo> big time,
[11:17] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, ohh, that's not normal
[11:17] <abarbaccia> Seveas, you are the man
[11:17] <r0d> I was gonna try the one w/ most used
[11:17] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, are you using wpa encryption?
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: yes
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> wait...
[11:17] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, that does not work yet with the gui
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> no
[11:18] <Seveas> ah ok, plain WEP
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> ya
[11:18] <Bill> has anyone got ndiswrapper to work on hoary?
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> sorry
[11:18] <r0d> its like 'sndpcm' what ya think TiMiDo
[11:18] <Bill> pls
[11:18] <Seveas> Bill, lots of people ;)
[11:18] <TiMiDo> r0d: do modprobe sndpcm
[11:18] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, have you tried the commandline stuff to see whether that works?
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> what do you mean Seveas
[11:18] <TiMiDo> r0d: can you tell me the sound card again?
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> modprobe airport?
[11:18] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, things like ifconfig/iwconfig/dhcliient
[11:18] <Bill> I have a ZD1211 usb adapter and when I load ndiswrapper it says driver loaded hardware present
[11:19] <Flying-Llama> ahh no seveas
[11:19] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, the commandline tools will give you more debugging info
[11:19] <Bill> but its not in network config
[11:19] <r0d> yea its nvida nforce2
[11:19] <Flying-Llama> thanks Seveas
[11:19] <r0d> modprobed it
[11:19] <Seveas> I think some info can be found on the WifiHowto on the wiki
[11:19] <Bill> its listed as wlan0
[11:19] <Bill> but then says no wireless extensions
[11:19] <Seveas> Bill, does ifconfig -a show wlan0?
[11:19] <Bill> yep
[11:20] <Seveas> and have you added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules?
[11:20] <Bill> yep
[11:20] <Seveas> have you run ndiswrapper -m?
[11:20] <Bill> yes
[11:20] <TiMiDo> and kernel r0d ?
[11:20] <Seveas> hmm
[11:20] <Bill> and it runs on startup
[11:20] <r0d> I'm confused alittle w/ the value of module.conf now I can tell that it loads kernel mods. but not all of them. so it just runs certain types?
[11:20] <Flying-Llama> will there ever be rendevous/bonjour technology for linux? it was recently introduced for windows
[11:20] <Seveas> and are you using iwconfig as root?
[11:20] <r0d> TiMiDo, 2.6
[11:20] <Bill> yes
[11:20] <Bill> its driving me mad
[11:20] <r0d> TiMiDo, 2.6.10 to be full
[11:20] <Seveas> ok, eliminated all user errors :|
[11:20] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -l shows driver present, hardware present?
[11:21] <Bill> yep
[11:21] <Seveas> And yet it says no wireless instructions...
[11:21] <Flying-Llama> why  is networking so complicated....
[11:21] <Seveas> have you checked the ndiswrapper site to see whether your card is supported?
[11:21] <Bill> and iwconfig says "wlan0 no wireless extensions"
[11:21] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, wireless has the burden of lack of drivers
[11:21] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[11:22] <CarlK>  I am about to give up on using a wep key... any last minute ideas?
[11:22] <Seveas> but that doesn't count for your mac :)
[11:22] <Flying-Llama> heh
[11:22] <Seveas> only for the airport extreme
[11:22] <zyth> wep wap wep wap mac
[11:22] <Bill> would u reccomend linuxant?
[11:22] <r0d> o TiMiDo that 'modconf' program wasnt in the repository:(
[11:22] <Seveas> linuxant is for modems
[11:22] <Bill> what is the best card for hoary?
[11:22] <Seveas> Bill, have you checked the ndiswrapper site to see whether your card is supported?
[11:22] <TiMiDo> can u pasted me lsmod ?
[11:23] <tenshiKur0> linuxant has wifi drivers also... with WPA support
[11:23] <Seveas> Bill, any atheror or ipw2200 card will do
[11:23] <TiMiDo> not on channel
[11:23] <Seveas> tenshiKur0, ah thank you
[11:23] <Seveas> i stand corrected
[11:23] <tenshiKur0> no stress... funny thing, was just playing with it about 3minutes ago
[11:23] <roger__> Seveas: tried the hide (hdx) thing and it doesn't work - infact now grub just says "error 17" and doesn't even bring up the menu :)
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> apple should collaborate with the linux people to offer mac-like simplicity on an open source and powerful os
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> and offerening more drivers
[11:24] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, indeed :)
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> :)
[11:24] <Seveas> roger__, ouch :|
[11:24] <r0d> snd_usb_audio          60224  0
[11:24] <r0d> snd_usb_lib            11776  1 snd_usb_audio
[11:24] <r0d> snd_rawmidi            22944  1 snd_usb_lib
[11:24] <r0d> snd_seq_device          8332  1 snd_rawmidi
[11:24] <r0d> snd_intel8x0           29984  0
[11:24] <r0d> snd_ac97_codec         64608  1 snd_intel8x0
[11:24] <Bill> card isnt on list of ones known to work
[11:24] <CarlK> off to burger king!
[11:24] <r0d> snd_pcm_oss            47652  0
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> if anyone cares, im alex__ from yesterday
[11:24] <Seveas> r0d, do NOT paste in here
[11:24] <Seveas> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> how does that work
[11:25] <Seveas> what work?
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> nevm
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> i see now
[11:25] <TiMiDo> cat /proc/modules
[11:25] <Seveas> :)
[11:25] <TiMiDo> r0d:
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> :)
[11:26] <Bill> anyone got wireless card to work out of the box with hoary?
[11:26] <Flying-Llama> amazing how popular ubuntu has become: 522 people in this room
[11:26] <Bill> without ndiswrapper
[11:26] <LCTO> Bill: I.
[11:26] <Flying-Llama> look at #ubuntu-ppc
[11:26] <Flying-Llama> lol
[11:26] <LCTO> ... laptop PC card though.
[11:26] <Seveas> Bill, I have, but my card is an atheros one
[11:27] <Bill> ok
[11:27] <Bill> its driving me mad, cant get the web without wireless
[11:28] <Seveas> bill, last resort: try the ndiswrappersetuphowto on the wiki
[11:28] <Bill> also does anyone know how to get divx and dvd's to work on hoary?
[11:28] <Seveas> you need to compile some stuff yourself..
[11:28] <IFRFLY1> anyone using anything to stream video on a website under ubuntu
[11:28] <Bill> ive been there and done it
[11:28] <Seveas> bill: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:29] <r0d> ty
[11:30] <Seveas> yw, making mistakes is a result of being a human :)
[11:30] <Seveas> r0d, i haven't been following your efforts, what is your problem?
[11:30] <r0d> for some reason my alsa deamon wont start on boot
[11:31] <r0d> i did /etc/init.d/alsa start
[11:31] <r0d> brb gotta reboot
[11:31] <Ubuntu> hi everybody
[11:31] <Seveas> hello
[11:31] <TiMiDo> Ubuntu: hello
[11:31] <Bill> do u can download these and install from within hoary using the repositories?
[11:31] <Ubuntu> hi timido
[11:31] <Seveas> bill, yes
[11:32] <Bill> great
[11:32] <Seveas> (if you are referring to the restricted stuff)
[11:32] <Seveas> most of it can be downloaded from the backports/universe/multiverse
[11:32] <Bill> can u install an x86 version on an athlon 64 system?
[11:32] <TiMiDo> oh boy it sucks when you don't really have xbox games i finished them already
[11:33] <Seveas> Bill, yes
[11:33] <Bill> where is backports/universe/multiverse?
[11:33] <Ubuntu> hi seveas
[11:33] <Seveas> universe/multiverse are components of the Ubuntu distribution (www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components)
[11:34] <ThE__OnE> is it possible to mopunt an iso file in ubuntu?
[11:34] <Flying-Llama> i dont get it - what are all these other 500 people doing in here?
[11:34] <mbirkis> how do i get mpeg layer 2/3 support in xine?
[11:34] <Seveas> backports is a community effort to provide bleeding-edge software on a stable Ubuntu
[11:34] <Flying-Llama> the ones who dont talk
[11:34] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, yes
[11:34] <ThE__OnE> how Seveas?
[11:34] <Seveas> mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint
[11:34] <ThE__OnE> ok thanks
[11:35] <TiMiDo> i can't wait until i get the ubuntu cds
[11:35] <trog_> sorry - its me, im logged on 498 times
[11:35] <krueger> Hello
[11:35] <TiMiDo> r0d: did it worked?
[11:35] <r0d> you rock TiMiDo
[11:35] <r0d> yea man awesome
[11:35] <TiMiDo> he =)
[11:35] <r0d> what did you probe?
[11:35] <r0d> mobprobe
[11:35] <TiMiDo> modprobe snd-intel8x0
[11:35] <r0d> so thats my snd card eh?
[11:35] <TiMiDo> modules are snd-intel8x0
[11:36] <TiMiDo> yeap that should be it
[11:36] <Seveas> TiMiDo, rofl, I was about to suggest that (didn't follow the complete effort)
[11:36] <r0d> gotta love the community...
[11:36] <TiMiDo> Seveas: huh?
[11:36] <Flying-Llama> the HUGE community
[11:36] <Seveas> TiMiDo, nvm :)
[11:36] <TiMiDo> he =)
[11:37] <TiMiDo> i'm slow sometimes that's why Seveas
[11:37] <Seveas> :o)
[11:37] <r0d> so TiMiDo so puting your moulde name in  modules.conf file is the same as doing /etc/init.d/alsa start?
[11:37] <r0d> more or less...
[11:38] <TiMiDo> you don't really touch the alsa deamon
[11:38] <Bill> ive just seen the dvd versions avail for d/l on the ubuntu site - whats different betwen these and the cd release?
[11:38] <Bill> pl
[11:38] <Bill> pls
[11:38] <TiMiDo> put it on /etc/modules
[11:38] <TiMiDo> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[11:38] <Seveas> Bill, the dvds contain more packages
[11:38] <Seveas> r0d, no
[11:38] <r0d> ok
[11:39] <Bill> like all the restricted stuff
[11:39] <r0d> o
[11:39] <Flying-Llama> what are the most important and significant packages on the dvd seveas?
[11:39] <Seveas> r0d, putting that there makes sure the driver is loaded
[11:39] <Seveas> so alsa can start :)
[11:39] <TiMiDo> yeap
[11:39] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, the complete main and restricted sections are on it.
[11:39] <r0d> i c. ok
[11:39] <Seveas> by the way, you should not use modules.conf
[11:39] <Flying-Llama> restricted?
[11:39] <Seveas> but /etc/modules
[11:39] <Bill> does the dvd have all the restricted stuff?
[11:40] <r0d> yea its Seveas thats what its named
[11:40] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:40] <r0d> *-its
[11:40] <Flying-Llama> ahh thanks Seveas :)
[11:40] <TiMiDo> then you should put it on /etc/modules and it will boot at start up
[11:40] <r0d> yea im gonna do that now
[11:40] <dougsk> is there a list where i can see intent to package packages for motu?
[11:41] <Seveas> dougsk, yes
[11:41] <Seveas> UniverseCandidates
[11:41] <bl4cktone> Guys I'm trying to get my subwoofer working on my inspiron 9300 doesn't seem to be pumping I don't know why
[11:41] <Seveas> MotuToReview
[11:41] <Seveas> MotuTODO
[11:41] <Seveas> etc
[11:41] <dougsk> Seveas, ah okay thanks
[11:41] <Seveas> use wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU as starting page :)
[11:41] <AMDXP> =)
[11:42] <thechitowncubs> I want to make a simple GUI with one input that inputs the video id in this script: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058  , can someone give me some tips on what i have to do?
[11:42] <r0d> hey TiMiDo  you ever customize your ubuntu kernel?
[11:42] <revildab> Hah, so today I recieve the official ubuntu CD's in the mail that I ordered a while ago, completely unexpectedly. The plan is to drop a couple off at each local library. I now have something to do tomorrow \o/
[11:42] <thechitowncubs> I have no experience programming
[11:42] <usual> can ubuntu apt-get packages listed in a text file
[11:42] <TiMiDo> yeah sometimes when i'm bored
[11:42] <thechitowncubs> revildab: good initiative :)
[11:43] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, read the manpage for zenity
[11:43] <Flying-Llama> why on iwconfig does my eth1 (airport card) "nicknamed" HERMES I?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> usual: apt-get install $(cat file)
[11:43] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: will do, thanks for the quick help
[11:43] <Flying-Llama> who is HERMES I
[11:43] <r0d> I'm coming from gentoo, which you baiscly have to become a kernel expert, but i never used initrd before and when i compile an ubuntu kernel i get modprobe errors
[11:43] <Heimdall> why mplayer is not in the packages lists ?????
[11:43] <TiMiDo> my cellphone
[11:44] <Seveas> Heimdall, it is
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> r0d: don't compile the kernel
[11:44] <Seveas> in multiverse
[11:44] <TiMiDo> r0d: do apt-cache search kernel-image and try downloading another kernel image
[11:44] <Seveas> r0d, on Ubuntu you don't need to compile your own kernel
[11:44] <Seveas> TiMiDo, it's linux-image
[11:44] <Seveas> but there are nicer metapackages
[11:44] <TiMiDo> oh is it?
[11:44] <r0d> Seveas, the basic kernel doesnt come w/ ntfs writer permissons right?
[11:44] <Seveas> r0d, what kind of cpu do you have?
[11:44] <r0d> *write
[11:45] <Seveas> r0d, nom but you don't need to compile your own kernel to get it
[11:45] <r0d> amdxp
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> r0d: you don't need to recompile your kernel to use captive-ntfs
[11:45] <Heimdall> Seveas : no, I do apt-get install mplayerfor 1h it is not
[11:45] <Seveas> r0d, install the linux-k7 package
[11:45] <Seveas> Heimdall, try mplayer-custom
[11:45] <Heimdall> Seveas : and my pat is updated
[11:45] <Seveas> Heimdall, or tey apt-cache search mplayer for more options
[11:45] <Flying-Llama> what exactly does dhclient do? configures my ip with dhcp or just sends feedback?
[11:46] <Seveas> r0d, and captive ntfs can be found in the backports iirc
[11:46] <r0d> ok
[11:46] <abarbaccia> whats a good ftp client?
[11:46] <r0d> theirs a wiki on that too, kool
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> gftp is ok
[11:46] <Seveas> abarbaccia, gftp
[11:46] <Seveas> or places -> connect to server
[11:46] <Heimdall> Seveas : apt-cache show/search gives nothing
[11:46] <Flying-Llama> ubuntu cant conect directly to ftp?
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Llama: contacts a DHCP server, gets an IP/details, sets them up
[11:46] <concept10> anyone have a estimate of the user base of Ubuntu?
[11:47] <Flying-Llama> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[11:47] <abarbaccia> thanks again Seveas
[11:47] <Flying-Llama> guess im too used to the finder...
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[11:47] <Seveas> Heimdall, enable multiverse then
[11:47] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, of course it can :)
[11:47] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[11:47] <Heimdall> Seveas multiverse ?
[11:48] <Seveas> that's what places -> connect to server is for
[11:48] <trog_> anyone know a decent podcast client?
[11:48] <Seveas> Heimdall: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:48] <Flying-Llama> then what is gftp for
[11:48] <Seveas> Heimdall: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:48] <Seveas> Heimdall, and also www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:48] <hajiki> is there something i need to do to allow smtp connections from non localhost?
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: yes
[11:48] <jmi> My Hoary system has stopped mounting CD-ROMS, my camera and my iPod - no error messages, just doesn't automount
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: you need to edit master.cf
[11:48] <Flying-Llama> what use is gftp?
[11:48] <jmi> Any suggestions where to start looking?
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> .conf actually I think
[11:49] <Seveas> jmi, have you perhaps disabled it?
[11:49] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: I got this far: zenity --title="Yahoo! Launch Music Video Player" --entry --text="Music Video ID"  (but now i don't know how to inject it into my script)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> jmi: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[11:49] <Seveas> jmi, system -> prefs removable media
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Llama: what do you mean?
[11:49] <Flying-Llama> can linux just connect to ftp without gftp?
[11:49] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, yes
[11:49] <tenshiKur0> just thought i'd share... currently installing i*86 architecture ubuntu on my pbook g4, using VPC, installs running fine so far, h/ware scan without errors...
[11:50] <Seveas> but applications need to understand gnome-vfs in order to use that
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> so what is gftp for?
[11:50] <jmi> Seveas: No, I've just reinstalled. Tried restarting hotplug and removable media options are enabled.
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> ahh thanks Seveas
[11:50] <squinn> Flying-Llama, GRAPHICAL version of ftp
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> ahhhhhh
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> sorryyy
[11:50] <Seveas> jmi, maybe your current user isn't in the plugdev group
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Llama: it's the same as in windows or whatever
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> you can use built in ftp
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> or a dedicated client
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> ok thanks
[11:50] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: what do i need to inject it into the script now that I got this far?
[11:51] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, can you past that url again please
[11:51] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058
[11:51] <jmi> Seveas: No, definitely in plugdev
[11:52] <Flying-Llama> "No DHCP offers received." How? My Airport Base gives DHCP in every other OS?
[11:52] <ThE__OnE> Seveas, it dont mount, it gives me errors, can i PM you to apaste it?
[11:52] <hajiki> HrdwrBoB, should i change this unix part to inet? -> smtp      unix  -       -       -       -       -       smtp
[11:53] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, you can het the entered value into a variable using VAR=$(zenity ....)
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: somewhere there will be a <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:53] <X3N> Seveas you must be a sophisticated robot, or an amazing person who can deal with and solve multiple problems at once... it's amazing
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: you need to change it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:53] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: Great, I actually understood that, thanks for the help
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> master.cf:<IP_ADDRESS>:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> that line
[11:54] <Seveas> X3N, lol :)
[11:54] <hajiki> HrdwrBoB, I have this -> mynetworks = <IP_ADDRESS>/8 in main.cf
[11:54] <SirGir> eh, I have no desktop in GNOME anymore. No icons or background.. it's just gray! I used GNOME Configurator from gnomefiles.org and checked off "Show Desktop", but then I checked it back I still have no desktop! Help!
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: that defines IPs that are able to relay
[11:54] <Flying-Llama> why isnt my airport base station (access point) not sending DHCP info to my iBook and it's STANDARD Airport card in Ubuntu?
[11:54] <Seveas> thks
[11:54] <Seveas> i needed that
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> the master.cf defines how it makes itself available
[11:55] <Flying-Llama> where is it?
[11:55] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, are you 100% positive you entered the wep-key and essid right?
[11:55] <hajiki> root@box:/etc/postfix# cat master.cf | grep 127
[11:55] <Seveas> you can use iwconfig to check
[11:55] <hajiki> that returns nothing
[11:55] <Flying-Llama> yes Seveas
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: well then you may already have changed it
[11:55] <Flying-Llama> let me reenter it just in case...
[11:56] <hajiki> I just installed and havent done anything, hmmm
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately I must go, if you haven't figured it out in an hour to an hour and a half, I'll be back
[11:56] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: does it mean anything if my ESSID is something like FFF-FFF FFFFF
[11:56] <Flying-Llama> with a space
[11:56] <hajiki> ok thnx
[11:56] <Flying-Llama> where F is a letter
[11:57] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, yes, that (probably) means you have made some mistake
[11:57] <lamont> hajiki: in main.cf, search for 'loop'
[11:57] <SirGir> Can I reset GNOME's default settings? My desktop is gone.. =/
[11:57] <lamont> hajiki: inet_interfaces = loopback-only
[11:57] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: im sure I spelled it right
[11:58] <hajiki> lamont, thanks!!!
[11:58] <Yvonne> tommo`: !
[11:58] <chrissturm> can i configure xchat to have different nicks on different networks?
[11:59] <tommo`> Yvonne: !
[11:59] <Flying-Llama> in iwconf, it says access point: 44:44:44:44:44:44, is this normal?
[11:59] <lamont> hajiki: np.  warty didn't have that parameter, so it had to tweak master.cf
[11:59] <fabio> hello all
[11:59] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, no, it means it did not associate correctly
[11:59] <Flying-Llama> hi
[11:59] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[11:59] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, try iwlist scan
[12:00] <Flying-Llama> ok
[12:00] <ompaul> hello fabio


[03:25] <JanC> I think most Realtek WiFi drivers are reverse-engineered from throw-over-the-wall code that was only intended to work with 1 specific hardware combination
[03:27] <JanC> and only written to work with 1 kernel
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[12:20] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[18:09] <TJ-> The Cricket World Cup final is causing glitches in my CPU here!
[19:10] <sappheiros> does ubuntu have Microsoft OneNote alternative software for handwriting content on touchscreen laptops?
[21:00] <daftykins> hrmm, i'm looking into the idea of setting up a digitalocean VPS for a friends small business, the intention would be for it to host his website and a Nextcloud instance with the company documents shared between the employees. I'm under the impression it would be wise to secure the data storage path of Nextcloud via file system level encryption, does that make sense?
[21:08] <TJ-> daftykins: only whilst the file-system is at rest; it won't help whilist the OS/services are running and need to access it
[21:09] <daftykins> TJ-: mmm i thought that'd be the case, given it'd be powered on 24x7 what do you think would be the best way to go?
[21:10] <daftykins> i was just digging into the Nextcloud docs about how their built-in encryption works
[21:11] <TJ-> daftykins: I've not actually checked but does it support gpg encryption with multiple keys?
[21:14] <daftykins> hmm i don't see anything
[21:15] <tomreyn> https://nextcloud.com/endtoend/
[21:17] <tomreyn> https://github.com/nextcloud/end_to_end_encryption_rfc/blob/master/RFC.md
[21:17] <tomreyn> i'm just reading up on this.
[21:17] <JanC> "RFC" sounds like they are still working on it?
[21:18] <daftykins> that part sounds like the one i saw earlier where they want $1000 a year for up to 50 users
[21:18] <tomreyn> it doesn't look like it's going to be an ietf RFC, but that's probably what provided the name.
[21:21] <tomreyn> the feature was introduced in nextcloud 13
[21:25] <tomreyn> read the threat models on the first link
[21:27] <TJ-> The code looks reasonable
[21:28] <daftykins> strangely the 'end to end encryption' endpoint app is not available for the current v16
[21:34] <daftykins> heh there's a post on reddit where someone trialled the end to end encryption and found it was massively broken
[21:39] <daftykins> hmm, ok my current thinking is to employ the use of nextcloud's built-in encryption feature, then if any data truly critical needs to be stored on it - client side tools will need to be explored and employed
[21:41] <daftykins> earlier it seemed to be suggesting creating an ecryptfs volume, but if that's not going to gain me anything, i'm not sure it's worth it?
[21:41] <TJ-> daftykins: the E2E code in the desktop client looks OK; do users need to use an 'app' on a PDA or are they using portable PCs
[21:42] <daftykins> TJ-: they might well wish for smartphone access, yeah
[21:43] <daftykins> judging from comments online, people are saying to avoid the E2EE as it's too alpha
[21:45] <daftykins> hmm one reference to https://cryptomator.org
[21:48] <TJ-> I'd hope they'd have a securit audit of the design and the code before releasing it but don't see any plans along that line
[21:50] <sappheiros> does ubuntu have Microsoft OneNote alternative software for handwriting content on touchscreen laptops?
[21:51] <TJ-> sappheiros: not that I've noticedl; not polished anyhow. My 1998 windows CE PDA is better at hand-writing recognition than any Linux package I've tried
[21:51] <sappheiros> ouch
[22:03] <daftykins> hah now docs.nextcloud.com appears to be down for me
[22:05] <Bashing-om> daftykins: docs.nextcloud.com has not completed for me here either :(
[22:05] <daftykins> thanks! must be a sign i shouldn't work on a Sunday ;)
[22:06] <TJ-> cloudflare down again? :P
[22:06] <Bashing-om> daftykins: A day of rest for what might ail ya :)
[22:07] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:09] <Bashing-om> daftykins: https://docs.nextcloud.com/ popped up - try now :)
[22:09] <daftykins> weyhey ^_^
[22:21] <daftykins> well i definitely haven't settled on an encryption choice
[22:52] <marcoagpinto> I have no life :(
[22:53] <marcoagpinto> I am converting videos to the professor of interviews with him
[22:53] <jeremy31> But you aren't dead yet, you can change
[22:56] <marcoagpinto> yes
[22:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> marcoagpinto: Internet challenge: Go outside!
[23:00] <marcoagpinto> pragmaticenigma: at midnight it is hard to go out... but I will go in the morning to buy some cola as I have run out of stock
[23:01] <marcoagpinto> and the city here is full of drunk folks
[23:02] <daftykins> ok ecryptfs seems to be winning again!
[23:14] <pragmaticenigma> new internet challenge... 30 day no soda challenge!
[23:26] <marcoagpinto> I wouldn't survive
[23:26] <marcoagpinto> :)