[00:12] <kaddi> is there a way to disable the touchpad while typing? i used to do this with a syndeamon command, but wanted to ask if there's an "official" way now?
[00:12] <kaddi> gnome seems to have something in their system settings for it, that's why i'm asking
[00:28] <Addle> kaddi: From what I gather, you might be able to do that from the synaptiks program.
[00:28] <Addle> kaddi: Would be nice if that was in the system settings. Sounds like useful functionality to me!
[00:30] <kaddi> syndeamon does it, you just need to set it up as a service for it, if you're interested :)
[00:32] <kaddi> something like this: syndaemon -i 0.8 -K -R -t
[00:32] <Addle> kaddi: I may do that on my friend's laptop. He has this huge and massively sensitive touchpad. I really hate that thing. :)
[00:34] <kaddi> haha
[00:34] <kaddi> you wouldn't happen to be familiar with the ROOT framework on ubuntu and now where it is installed upon installation through apt-get, would you?
[00:35] <kaddi> i found the executable, but i need the libraries as well
[00:35] <Addle> kaddi: No, sorry.
[01:06] <valorie> if synaptiks is installed, it will show up in systemsettings
[01:06] <valorie> Addle: ^^^
[01:12] <Addle> valorie: Oh, thanks valorie. That's good to know for when I set that up on my friend's laptop. :)
[01:13] <valorie> it might even be installed by default now
[01:13] <valorie> was sorta non-worky there for awhile, but it seems stable and to work well now
[01:15] <Addle> Sweet
[05:45] <krise> Hello
[05:45] <krise> i like to install droidpad 2 beta on my computer
[05:46] <krise> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:w-shackleton/droidpad-daily
[05:46] <krise> sudo apt-get update
[05:46] <krise> sudo apt-get install droidpad
[05:46] <krise> this commands wont work for me
[05:46] <krise> what do i doo wrong ?
[05:51] <JMichaelX> mocp - segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:51] <JMichaelX> !?!?!?!
[05:51] <tsimpson> krise: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[05:54] <krise> 13.10
[05:55] <krise> tsimpson
[05:55] <JMichaelX> is moc busted for anyone else?
[05:55] <tsimpson> krise: the PPA  doesn't have packages for Saucy, only packages for Raring, Quantal, Precise, Oneiric, Natty, and Maverick
[05:56] <krise> hm
[05:56] <krise> is there any other good remote control app availabele?
[05:57] <krise> mostly i need to use mousepad
[05:59] <krise> or is there any other way to install it on my computer
[05:59] <JMichaelX> i am also noticing 'skipping' while playing music.... nice
[06:01] <dheeraj_> * dheeraj_ mnc
[06:03] <tsimpson> krise: you could compile it yourself, or make your own PPA and build it for saucy, or contact the maintainer directly and ask them to make a saucy version
[06:04] <krise> well, i dont know how to doo that, i try to contact them
[06:09] <Addle> I often find ones for previous releases work ok. Could try using the raring version.
[06:16] <Addle> krise: Try something like: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:w-shackleton/droid-daily raring main. I think that might do it. I've not yet tried it like that, but a variant of that should work.
[06:17] <Addle> krise: Or add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/w-shackleton/droidpad-daily/ubuntu raring main
[06:17] <Addle> krise: ANd another identical line but with deb-src in front of it instead of just deb.
[06:18]  * genii makes a note: Use at Own Risk!
[06:19] <Addle> genii: Indeed :)
[06:39] <Roey> hi
[06:39] <Roey> is raid1 faster for reading?
[06:39] <Roey> (I assume so)
[06:40] <Roey> *faster than reading from one disk.
[09:03] <sobczyk> hi, how to remove screen configuration from kde? I rotated my screen in kscreen, but now graphics driver fails
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:04] <lordievader> sobczyk: What do you get now? A black screen?
[09:06] <sobczyk> lordievader: yes, I can switch to terminal though, and lightdm works fine, since the rotation is applied after I log in
[09:06] <lordievader> sobczyk: Ok great, login. Get a black screen, change to a tty and run the following commands:
[09:07] <lordievader> export DISPLAY=:0&&xrandr --output default --auto
[09:07] <lordievader> And then change back to see if it has the correct result.
[09:09] <sobczyk> lordievader: no (i have LVDS-0 no default) also tried --output LVDS-0 --rotate normal, but xrandr tells me "configure crtc 0 failed"
[09:11] <darshan> hi everyone
[09:12] <sobczyk> there must be some place where the config is saved since it remembers the geometry
[09:12] <Shura_> Hi, Akonadi won't start on Kubuntu 13.10 (fresh install). Someone can help me ?
[09:12] <lordievader> sobczyk: Let me see if I can find which one.
[09:12] <lordievader> Hey darshan
[09:13] <darshan> I accidentally removed the Telepaty icon from system tray, now i don't know how to put it back there
[09:16] <lordievader> sobczyk: Cannot really find a file in .kde resonsible for this setting.
[09:17] <lordievader> sobczyk: Never mind, I think I found it: ~/.kde/share/apps/kscreen/
[09:19] <sobczyk> lordievader: thanks, removing that config file worked!
[09:21] <darshan> ?
[09:41] <kaddi> hi guys :)
[09:41] <lordievader> Hey kaddi
[09:43] <kaddi> I was here yesterday for my non-working internet.. then it worked nicely for about 12h and now I can get online agan.. but the issue seems to be somewhat different. I am connected to the network (according to kubuntu) but can't even ping the router, but I did get an IP from the router
[09:43] <kaddi> i would need an idea how to start troubleshooting this
[09:44] <lordievader> kaddi: Did you set a static ip?
[09:44] <kaddi> originally yes. But I've removed it since. I've tried both with a static (non-occupied) IP and DHCP. result is the same
[09:45] <kaddi> the IP I get from DHCP is not the same as the static one I set, so I think that much is workin
[09:45] <kaddi> g
[09:46] <lordievader> kaddi: So you do get an ip from your router? That is good. The adress you use for the gateway is also correct?
[09:46] <kaddi> isn't that set by dhcp? It's the same as yesterday and yesterday it was working fine
[09:47] <kaddi> should be good
[09:48] <lordievader> kaddi: This was wifi, if I remember correctly?
[09:48] <kaddi> yes
[09:48] <lordievader> kaddi: See if you can ping the router with a cable.
[09:48] <kaddi> my phone is connected on wifi as well, and that works
[09:51] <kaddi> gonna try to reboot first.. cable is always a pita for me
[09:52] <kaddi> hmm.. that seems to have solved the problem
[09:52] <kaddi> is there a way to figure out what caused it in retrospect.. wifi dropped out about 3h ago
[09:53] <lordievader> kaddi: It's a laptop right?
[09:54] <kaddi> yes
[09:54] <lordievader> kaddi: Put it next to the router plug in a cable and see if you can ping the router ;) That way you can figure out if it is the wifi card or the os.
[09:55] <kaddi> i rebooted and it's connected now... so it must've been a software issue
[09:56] <lordievader> kaddi: So the cable works?
[09:57] <kaddi> after the reboot wifi works
[09:57] <kaddi> cable is always a problem here, as it's hidden well below the table and I need to move several boxes before I can really reach it
[09:57] <kaddi> so I did a reboot of the laptop first because it's easier. After the reboot, wifi reconnected
[09:57] <kaddi> however I would still like to understand what caused the disconnect as I don't want to have to reboot my laptop every 15h to get wifi back :p
[09:58] <lordievader> kaddi: Hmm wel if the wifi works, that's good I suppose.
[09:58] <lordievader> kaddi: Wifi is quite a complex field, without thorough research one won't be able to say why you got disconnected.
[09:59] <kaddi> hmm, ok
[11:14] <thingy> Hi, Is there an alternate cd available for Kubuntu 13.10 ?
[11:15] <lordievader> thingy: Unfortunatly not, 12.04 was the last one with an alternate cd.
[11:16] <thingy> lordievader: Ok. Am downloading the desktop image now, does that have an option to do a minimal install? i.e. command line only install?
[11:16] <dillono> hello?
[11:17] <shauntablet> HiyA
[11:17] <dillono> Where do I get a factory install? is it a repo?
[11:17] <shauntablet> thingy think you want server for headless
[11:18] <thingy> lordievader: I see that there is a cli.seed file in the preseed folder on the desktop image and so I think I will be able to do a cli install. Thanks.
[11:18] <shauntablet> Or just get 13.04 kubuntu then do a dist-upgrade
[11:18] <thingy> shauntablet: Prefer a clean install.
[11:18] <shauntablet> Hear ya
[11:19] <dillono> I am running windows but am a intermediate-advanced coder andf
[11:19] <thingy> dillono: What do you mean by "factory install" ?
[11:20] <dillono> I mean an install that updates many times during the day.
[11:20] <shauntablet> Dillono just find any distro iso
[11:21] <dillono> ok brb
[11:21] <lordievader> dillono: You could throw an autoupdater in /etc/cron.hourly
[11:21] <shauntablet> !kubuntu
[11:22] <dillono> ive never used linux before.
[11:22] <shauntablet> Cool you'll love it I'm sure
[11:22] <shauntablet> Great for devs
[11:24] <shauntablet> You'll get updates a few times a day anyhow
[11:25] <dillon> sry i need to start  over
[11:25] <dillon> i lost connection
[11:25] <thingy> At first I thought he meant he wants to do an oem install. There is an option for that on the grub menu on the desktop image cd.
[11:25] <dillon> I want an leeding edge install so I can help fix bugs.
[11:25] <dillon> bleeding*
[11:26] <lordievader> dillon: Run Trusty ;)
[11:26] <dillon> ?
[11:27] <lordievader> dillon: Trusty Tahr (14.04) is the next release, the current development release. Though be warned, if you run it you might face a broken system from time to time.
[11:28] <thingy> dillon: Are after the daily-live builds. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[11:28] <lordievader> Currently Trusty is stable since it is pretty much Saucy.
[11:28] <thingy> swap/are after/are you after
[11:28] <dillon> I Want an install
[11:29] <lordievader> dillon: But running a development release is not recommended for a linux newbie ;)
[11:29] <dillon> and 14.04 isn't there, Only 13.10 is there
[11:29] <shauntablet> Get 13.10
[11:29] <dillon> ok..D:
[11:29] <shauntablet> Being a noob you don't want to be in the deep end
[11:30] <lordievader> Of 14.04 only the repo's are available as of now, but indeed just get 13.10. 14.04 won't be a fun beginning in Linux.
[11:30] <shauntablet> You can get source for the bleeding edge stuff you want
[11:30] <dillon> what are they?
[11:30] <shauntablet> 2013 is the 13
[11:30] <shauntablet> October is 10
[11:31] <shauntablet> 13.10
[11:31] <shauntablet> 2014 is 14
[11:31] <shauntablet> April is 04
[11:31] <dillon> it is the 20th of october. it was released 3 days ago.
[11:31] <shauntablet> 14.04 comes april 2014
[11:32] <shauntablet> Yeah
[11:32] <dillon> I want a repo for it!!!!!1! <:S
[11:34] <lordievader> dillon: A repo for what? 14.04?
[11:34] <dillon> yes! I use 13.10 at the moment
[11:34] <lordievader> dillon: You told us you are new to linux....
[11:34] <dillon> no i didnt
[11:35] <dillon> i said i never used kubuntu
[11:35] <lordievader> 13:22 < dillono> ive never used linux before.
[11:36] <lordievader> dillon: Ah, so you know your way around?
[11:36] <shauntablet> Ha
[11:36] <dillon> im about an intermediate level.
[11:36] <shauntablet> So confusing
[11:36] <shauntablet> Almost the same name
[11:37] <lordievader> Ah so that's it, I thought it was one and the same...
[11:37] <dillon> I mistyped and then left the connection
[11:37] <lordievader> dillon: Anyhow, simpy replace "saucy" with "trusty" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:37] <shauntablet> Perhaps
[11:38] <dillon> thx, Ill be back later
[11:42] <frosted> Hi all
[11:43] <lordievader> Hey frosted
[11:43] <frosted> anyone know how to get SPDIF/coax set up properly to carry the same bass as normal jacks ?
[11:43] <frosted> hi lordievader ^^
[11:45] <lordievader> frosted: What do you mean with the same bass?
[11:46] <frosted> lordievader: over the 5.1 using the normal audio jack calbes it carries a bit more bass, and is slightly louder before it gets to my 5.1 system. Now in windows the coax carries better sound quality.
[11:47] <lordievader> frosted: Hmm odd, I have no experience with SPDIF but you could check pavucontrol to see if there is something you can improve.
[11:48] <Guest67801> Hi, I have a question on the upgrade to 13.10:
[11:48] <frosted> lordievader: I will have a look, I know in windows I can set the sample rate for the SPDIF that helps a lot
[11:48] <frosted> I need to wait for ati to release a new driver cant install it since I upgraded to 13.10 lol
[11:48] <Guest67801> how can i launch it?
[11:48] <lordievader> frosted: You can do that in linux too ;) see /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[11:51] <frosted> lordievader: how do I restart the daemon ?
[11:51] <frosted> lordievader: oh what backend is the best ?
[11:51] <lordievader> frosted: If pa is running in user-mode: pulseaudio -k
[11:51] <lordievader> frosted: For Phonon?
[11:52] <frosted> lordievader: well I'm still using the defualt audio settings for kubuntu, and my backend has gstreamer listed, I'm just wondering what one is the best.
[11:54] <lordievader> frosted: Well I usually use the VLC backend, but to say that it is better... Not really sure ;)
[11:57] <frosted> lordievader: well lets see if it helps ^^
[12:11] <frosted> lordievader: it sounds bit better with the vlc ^^
[12:12] <lordievader> frosted: Good to hear.
[12:12] <frosted> lordievader: yeah it is hahaha ^^, thanx
[12:24] <frosted> lordievader: I see now , the normal analog's playback has one more volume bar than the digital.
[12:26] <lordievader> frosted: Master and front?
[12:37] <frosted> lordievader: no when you open the audio controls the one for the physical device has one more volume bar, in alsamixer they the same.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> "morning folks
[12:45] <BluesKaj> frosted. the other volume ctrl is for the event sounds / notifications etc
[12:45] <BluesKaj> it doesn't show in alsamixer
[12:45] <frosted> BluesKaj: I have the analog listed and the digital, and the analog has one more volume bar.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> L& R perhaps
[12:46] <frosted> nope
[12:46] <BluesKaj> dunno , my audio output is spdif so i don't see it
[12:47] <frosted> awh, if you look on the mixer mine lists both the analog and digital so yeah.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> pastebin a scrnshot , frosted
[12:49] <frosted> BluesKaj: how do I get a picture on pastebin -.- ? ?
[12:49] <lordievader> !paste| frosted
[12:50] <frosted> !paste
[12:50] <frosted> !pastebinit
[12:51] <frosted> http://imgur.com/uJzh3rQ
[12:52] <Basil1x> I just installed kubuntu-full over Ubuntu13.10.  I use Thunar FM.  All my icons in Thunar have disappeared.  Is there a way to restore them?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> frosted. that looks normal
[12:53] <frosted> BluesKaj: but there is one more volume bar, so the analog is physically louder
[12:53] <frosted> well pre-amp is louder
[12:53] <BluesKaj> frosted turn up your pcm in alsamixer
[12:54] <frosted> BluesKaj: its on max lol.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> then turn up your speakers or the player volume , frosted
[12:56] <frosted> BluesKaj: lol, the thing is that the bass has a bit more of a kick over the analog, since it doesn't need to be boosted as much over the 5.1 , In windows the digital sounds better. thats what I want to fix.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> ok frosted describe your audio setup , pls , need to know what equipment we're dealin with g
[12:59] <BluesKaj> oops , dealing with
[13:01] <frosted> Logitech 5.1 system, the Z4500 model, has 2 optical inputs, one coax,. 3 analog, for 5.1 input, I have a razor headset that uses the analog output of my pc, nd the cable is too short for me to plug the mic into the back of the pc and the headphones into the surround sounds' controller, so I use the coax, besides the coax sounds  a bit better.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> ok but which connections are you using , frosted?
[13:06] <frosted> I am using the coax to the z4500 and the analog goes to my headset.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> ok , good
[13:07] <BluesKaj> comparing the analog to the digital is apples and oranges
[13:08] <frosted> But when I plugged the 3 analog calbes into the z4500 just to test, it was a bit louder on the same volume on the controller.  and the bass was a bit more there. I would use the analog but I can't exactly with this headset if it was usb that would have been diff.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> rather than turning up the digital , turn down the analog a little if you're looking for nornalization (equal vol level)
[13:09] <frosted> BluesKaj: but for some reason in windows even my headset can go louder 0.
[13:09] <frosted> 0.o
[13:10] <BluesKaj> check the volume on the player you use
[13:10] <frosted> also full
[13:10] <BluesKaj> full isn't good
[13:10] <frosted> in vlc aI can boots it with a pre-amp gain.
[13:15] <lordievader> frosted: You can get an analog splitter, you know.
[13:15] <frosted> lordievader: but then i would hear the sound over both ^^
[13:16] <BluesKaj> so the headphone volume on digital is your real issue then , frosted , correct ?
[13:16] <frosted> no the digital volume on the digital is
[13:17] <BluesKaj> what about the speaker system itself , is there no volume ctrl ?
[13:18] <frosted> BluesKaj: there is but my point being the sound volume that comes from the pc before it gets to the speakers the analog has more volume on linux than the coax.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> asuming these speakers are "self powered"
[13:20] <BluesKaj> that's a function of the DA converter , the output volume is  going to be different
[13:20] <frosted> Oh okay, but on windows its the same, which is a bit odd
[13:22] <BluesKaj> well, iinux isn't windows , some would complain that they don't have different levels for analog and digital on windows
[13:22] <frosted> haha yeah, I know, just thought it was a setting somewhere.
[13:24] <BluesKaj> digital should be set at about 80% , then the volume is controlled after conversion to analog in the DA converter or your speaker
[13:25] <BluesKaj> sytem
[13:32] <kaddi> what would be a good way to troubleshoot intermittent disconnects from wifi?
[13:39] <frosted> BluesKaj: on didgital the volume controls on kmix don't work lol.  Just how it goes.
[13:39] <ablyss> kaddi, reset wifi router to defaults and see if that clears the problem
[13:40] <kaddi> ok, i'll try... but the connection only drops on this machine (and only under linux),
[13:42] <ablyss> kaddi, well it might do nothing, but it's easy to test
[13:42] <kaddi> yeah, i'll wait to see if it deconnects again
[13:43] <ablyss> i like easy first...
[13:43] <kaddi> yeah, well only that now i need to wait 3-4 days to know whether that worked or not >.>
[13:44] <ablyss> kaddi, so the freq is like once a day?
[13:44] <kaddi> well it varies between 3h to once a day
[13:45] <kaddi> i've only installed kubuntu on the machine yesterday
[13:45] <kaddi> after we got the wifi to work, it worked straight for 15h
[13:45] <kaddi> but since this morning it's been disconnecting me every 3-4h
[13:45] <kaddi> while the connection here didn't even drop once (this is also connected through wifi)
[13:47] <ablyss> kaddi, maybe also try setting static route
[13:47] <kaddi> and it forgot the password for my wifi again
[13:47] <kaddi> it's asking me to reenter the key (and obviously disconnected me because it doesn't have the key anymore)
[13:48] <ablyss> daul band router or single?
[13:48] <kaddi> ehm, i actually don't know
[13:48] <kaddi> how do i check that?
[13:49] <ablyss> the routers setup will say 2 ghz or 5 ghz
[13:49] <ablyss> if you don't see a setup for 5 ghz it's single band
[13:49] <BluesKaj> frosted. make sure you have the HW tab setup in multimedia, with the input and outputs set to your needs
[13:50] <kaddi> not sure what it is you need, so it says transfer mode: and lists 802.11n,g,b and then channel width is 20MHz and channel is "auto". There's the option to select a second channel but it's not activ
[13:51] <ablyss> kaddi, probably not a dault band then
[13:52] <d-egg> Hi, I used to start gpg-agent through X11/Xsession/90gpg-agent... But now (saucy) it is already started obviously when that script runs but it does not write the env file.  What does it start and how do I turn that off.  Or can I configure *that* start to write an env-file?
[13:53] <d-egg> What does start it, rather
[13:53] <ablyss> kaddi, try my first suggestion with the router deaults.
[13:53] <kaddi> so adding a default route to <IP_ADDRESS> (if the router is <IP_ADDRESS>)?
[13:54] <ablyss> Kaddi, sorry not static route... what I meant was Address Reservation
[13:55] <kaddi> that is something i don't know. what is it and how do i do it?
[13:55] <kaddi> you mean a fix ip?
[13:55] <ablyss> kaddi, yes
[13:56] <ablyss> just do a google your_routers_name + Address Reservation
[13:56] <kaddi> ok
[13:58] <ablyss> kaddi, your best luck is probably with setting the router to defaults though.
[13:59] <kaddi> static dhcp?
[13:59] <d-egg> Somebody using konversation in saucy?  I've had a start up error.  Something about dbus I think.  Anyone heard of that somewhere else?
[13:59] <ablyss> yes
[13:59] <kaddi> d-egg: i do and it's working fine
[13:59] <kaddi> (when my wifi is working :p)
[13:59] <kaddi> ok, gonna reboot the router
[13:59] <ablyss> d-egg, you try relogging in?
[14:00] <d-egg> ablyss: i rebooted several times until I noticed that the startup dialog does not appear
[14:00] <d-egg> ablyss: I did not look into that much because though.  I'll try it again.
[14:03] <kaddi> ok, router rebooted and static dhcp set.. let's see if it holds
[14:04] <ablyss> kaddi, seeting router to defaults requires a hard reset.  Rebooting alone wont do it
[14:04] <kaddi> so unplug the cable and put it back in, no?
[14:05] <ablyss> kaddi, no.  There a little button about the size of a pinhead.. you typically have to press it in for 5- 10 seconds until router blinks lights and resets
[14:05] <RayZa> Hey there. Anyone tried to run the FGLRX driver with Kubuntu 13.10?
[14:05] <kaddi> hmm, i've never seen that on my router
[14:05] <ablyss> kaddi, you will probably loose all settings and might even loose internet
[14:05] <kaddi> ah yeah
[14:05] <kaddi> ok
[14:05] <kaddi> can't do that then.. I'm not the only on the router
[14:10] <RayZa> Isn't anyone running 13.10 with a AMD graphic card? o.o
[14:11] <ablyss> sry nvidia here
[14:11] <lordievader> RayZa: I am, but I haven't tryed out the fglrx driver yet.
[14:11] <qwertzui11_> wow, kubuntu 13.10 is great - @devs and maintainer: great work!
[14:11] <lordievader> qwertzui11_: The devs hang out in #kubuntu-devel.
[14:12] <RayZa> lordievader: Hm ok. Does your hardware theoretically support the recent drivers?
[14:12] <qwertzui11_> lordievader thx ;)
[14:14] <lordievader> RayZa: Yes, it's a FirePro M5950
[14:16] <RayZa> lordievader: Because I tried to get it working but it gets stuck at the bootscreen. Tried the lastest beta driver. Gets stuck too. (on a Mobilty Radeon HD 5850). On my desktop with a normal Radeon  HD 5850  and  Kubuntu upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 it gets past the bootscreen. However with the latest beta driver  the desktop goes to hell when I try minimize certain applications. (Which wasn't the case in 13.04) However with the repository
[14:16] <RayZa>  version of fglrx it works on the desktop without stability problems.
[14:16] <RayZa> lordievader: I'm totally confused...
[14:17] <lordievader> RayZa: Do you really need to fglrx driver?
[14:17] <RayZa> lordievader: Yes because I need WebGL
[14:19] <lordievader> RayZa: And I take it that this is not supported by the open-source radeon driver?
[14:19] <RayZa> lordievader: Chromium doesn't seem to let me use WebGL with the radeon driver
[14:26] <RayZa> lordievader: Well at least in Firefox it runs, but with horrible performance.
[14:28] <RayZa> lordievader: ok well it varies. should be acceptable for the demonstration since it's only a textured cube.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> RayZa. have you installed the restricted extras ?
[14:47] <ablyss> kwin seems to not like it when i watch tvtime
[15:11] <RayZa> Do you mean the restriced software sources? I got that checked.
[15:11] <RayZa> BluesKaj: Do you mean the restriced software sources? I got that checked.
[15:12] <RayZa> BluesKaj: However I just saw Canonical Partners in the "Other Software" section is not marked.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> RayZa. kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:14] <BluesKaj> type it in the search or , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras , in the terminal , RayZa
[15:16] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:47] <anonymous_> hi ! tried to use webdavs (https) on linux and windows and its working pretty fast except at the end it takes up to 5 minutes until the copy job is done  .... any suggestions what to do ?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> odd things happening in mu=y audio setup , the hdmi audio portion of the graphics cards is now the 2nd default audio card (card 1) , which effectively leaves me no analog options from the onboard soundcard which i would like to have available for headset and other devices .
[16:02] <neure> hi
[16:02] <neure> how do i edit theme of qt programs?
[16:02] <neure> which package / program i need for that?
[16:06] <neure> systemsettings ?
[16:40] <yair_> ?
[16:40] <yair_> whats up?
[16:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> arg
[16:50] <bjrohan> I could use some help with multiple displays. Everything was going swell withmy displays (not my beats audio) after the upgrade to 13.10. I plugged my lapptop into my TV via HDMI to wach a movie. Now I can not seem to get the display to sync correctly after unplugging the HDMI
[16:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so i did a update to 13.10 on my laptop. Now when i use the scroll wheel on a grouped task (namely firfox) it no longer moves up/down the list but directly slides left/right to the next application
[16:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> any idea what setting that would be?
[16:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: how is it not synced?
[16:52] <bjrohan> Well, I have no idea how it is supposed to work. Before I would have 4 desktops. Plug into the TV, and I would have 4 on the laptop, and when moving my cursor to the right, it would then move to the TV
[16:53] <ablyss> Whiskey`Wonka, wouldn't that be a HTML5 control?
[16:53] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: Now, when I unplug my laptop, I get the default blue wallpaper, but I can not see anything open onthe desktop, no cursor, or anything
[16:53] <Whiskey`Wonka> ablyss: uhm, whats html have to do with the K task bar?
[16:54] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: ah, go look in your device settings for what setup the video is set to
[16:54] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: WHen I go to setings displays, I show 2 displays LVDS1 and Samsung Electronic company. My TV is Samsung
[16:54] <Whiskey`Wonka> there is mirrored, extended, etc, and you can change the location of the extention
[16:54] <ablyss> Whiskey`Wonka, you meantioned firefox and I thought it was related...my bad
[16:55] <Whiskey`Wonka> ablyss: oh right. its just that i have 20 to 40 firefoxes open and can not reach the top of the list
[16:55] <Whiskey`Wonka> this is all purely on the panel that is the task bar
[16:55] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: where do I find thos settings? In the system settings, display somewhere?
[16:56] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: yea, ill look on mine i know i had to tweak it
[16:56] <Whiskey`Wonka> system settings, display configuration
[16:57] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: Thank you. I am on that page and I have to options on the left, Display config and Screen Locker. On Display Config, I see the 2 monitors with 3 icons 1 to rotate, 1 to adjust resolutions, and one star, that is all
[16:57] <Whiskey`Wonka> thats all im seeing today too, i know there was a option there about what to do with the 2nd monitor
[16:58] <bjrohan> Could be poopy for me that I am locked into having my TV connected :-)
[16:58] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: If I uncheck the Samsung while it is plugged in, nothing shows on my TV, only my laptop.
[16:59] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: However if I then unplug my laptpop, from teh TV, my laptop screen goes lank
[16:59] <bjrohan> blank
[17:00] <bjrohan> Perhaps this is also wonky? I can't get my audio to work properly either :-(
[17:00] <Whiskey`Wonka> that is likely cause your tv is for primary and then mirrored to the lcd
[17:00] <Whiskey`Wonka> and im at al oss, i would sware that is where the toggle for what to do with the 2nd monitor was at. ive not used it and i just updated this to 13.10
[17:02] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: makes sense to me. are you used to seeing 3 items on the left like this screenshot http://askubuntu.com/questions/292776/ubuntu-kde-standard-dual-monitor  As I only have two items no Size and Orientation icon
[17:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: Yes that would be it
[17:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> and i am missing it also
[17:05] <Yaki2007> hi all.
[17:05] <bjrohan> Ok
[17:05] <bjrohan> I will keep on keeping on trying items, Sucks to have to be plugged into my TV with a 3' cord on a laptop :-D
[17:05] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: Thank you for your help!
[17:05] <Yaki2007> I'm new to Kubuntu. Now i run from Live USB session. Help me please, how to add Flash player in browser?
[17:06] <skreech__> !info flashplugni-installer
[17:06] <skreech__> !info flashplugin-installer
[17:06] <skreech__> Yaki2007: Install that package
[17:06] <skreech__> !flash
[17:06] <Yaki2007> i must run it in Terminal? sorry for this question :)
[17:07] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: well you helped me cause ida had that issue while out on a trip and needed my hdmi
[17:07] <Whiskey`Wonka> now t ofigure out the task panel issue =\
[17:08] <Yaki2007> !info flashplugin-installer   -> i run it -> he writes me : Event not found
[17:08] <skreech__> Yaki2007: You don't have to you can install it from the Muon installer
[17:08] <lordievader> Yaki2007: Don't worry, what you need to run in the terminal is: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:08] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: what is up with your task panel? My launchers are a bit smaller and further apart than they used to be, other than that I think mine is okay
[17:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: do you group like tasks?
[17:09] <bjrohan> I don't think so, in other words if I have thunderbird open, and then create a message, it doesn't show 2 open items, but just one Thunderbird icon, that when hovered over, displays the 2 realted Thunderbird tasks?
[17:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: what happens now that did not before was when using the mouse wheel to move the selected grouped task, now it direct switchs to the next/previous task in stead of satying in the group
[17:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> right that would be grouped
[17:10] <Yaki2007> Thanks! Now flash installing in process :)
[17:11] <bjrohan> Gotcha, i do not. Would like to, as I liked it when I used the Cairo dock. But sounds like I should wait to use it now :-)
[17:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> well no id try it, might just be me having a issue
[17:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> but i have no idea what setting this would be called and google didnt give much directly related to this
[17:13] <Yaki2007> wow! Now flash video works in Chrominium! THANKS!!! i like you :))))))))))))))))))))
[17:15] <Yaki2007> lordievader Thanks :)
[17:15] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: Is it a plasmoid that you installed, vs a default option?
[17:15] <lordievader> Yaki2007: No problem ;)
[17:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: well the change was with the update so i have no idea
[17:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> nope does not look like that is it
[17:17] <Whiskey`Wonka> (i have no plasmoid's installed)
[17:19] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: I found the settings for that (right click on task panel) edit settings. I changed mine to always group. In my example above when I hovered over the Thunderbird in my task panel, and scrolled with my mouse, it changed to scrolled through the actual open tasks on the dekstop
[17:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> bjrohan: mmm
[17:20] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: it also of course expanded all open similar tasks in the task panel with a biger icon I could click on as well
[17:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> nope did not go back
[17:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok whats its doing for me is if i have a group firfox, put mouse over one of them, scroll. instead of moving up/down the grouped list it is now jumping to the next task on the taskmenu (kvirc, terminal, what ever is next/previous)
[17:24] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: Okay. I am not quite understanding what you mean about moving up down the grouped list. In my task panel it shows similiar tasks side by side, not in a list, let me keep playing
[17:24] <LeaderMan> hey brother and sisters
[17:24] <LeaderMan> I was wondering when kubuntu stopped offer cd delivery for free?
[17:24] <LeaderMan> on website
[17:25] <skreech__> LeaderMan: When Canonical stopped support it
[17:25] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: BRB, going to reboot and see if it resets my displays correctly.  Thanks all. :)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Yaki2007. well you can "get new themes" , look at the details to see how they look to you
[17:35] <Yaki2007> BluesKaj Thanks
[17:36] <BluesKaj> Yaki2007. ok
[17:36] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: reboot, same display issue, made BluesKajhas insight for me?
[17:37] <Yaki2007> wow. Working in Kubuntu is easy for starter user.
[17:37] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: upgrade to 13.10 for my display all was working okay. last night I plugged in to my TV via HDMI, everything worked as expected. Now when uplugging the HDMI, I get either my default blue wallpaper, or a blank screen on my laptp display
[17:37] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. ??
[17:39] <Avihay> how would one clone an hdd to a larger hdd with a livecd?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. unplugging hdmi while laptop is on should create problems , but with Kwin one never knows :(
[17:40] <BluesKaj> should not create problems rather , bjrohan
[17:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> BluesKaj: is there a diff in how 13.10 vs 12.10 handles that? i too am missing the settings for configuring dual screen setups
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Whiskey`Wonka. if you run nvidia there's a setting in the nvidia control panel that sets up twinview , but since I use just one large monitor I have no experience with it
[17:43] <Whiskey`Wonka> BluesKaj: im aware, i do not, its a intel
[17:44] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: Whiskey`Wonka My laptop uses an integrated Intel vid card FWIW
[17:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> well thats common to the issue then
[17:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> afaik intel doesnt have a linux control panel for their gpu's
[17:46] <Addle> Avihay: Personally, I would use a Clonezilla DVD to clone disks.
[17:47] <skreech__> Avihay: you can dd it but that's for people who know what's going on it's a very raw low level command
[17:47] <Addle> skreech__: Yep, it's called disk destroyer for a reason. ;)
[17:48] <skreech__> because people don't read the manual :)
[17:49] <Addle> skreech__: I can't and won't argue with that. XD
[17:52] <MountainX> Hi. My system is booting to a black screen. It is unresponsive to any key input including Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-Del, etc. I can boot to a command prompt from the grub rescue mode option. FailsafeX also freezes with a black screen.
[17:53] <Addle> MountainX: Try adding the nomodeset option to the kernel boot parameters.
[17:54] <Addle> !nomodeset
[17:54] <MountainX> @Addle: btw, I don't see any errors in the Xorg.0.log.
[17:57] <MountainX> Addle: do you know of a link for adding nomodeset when running in a LiveCD environement? Specifically, does sudo update-grub works as normal? (I don't see how it could.)
[17:58] <Addle> MountainX: Are you able to get into the GRUB menu at the start of boot? You can add it there temporarily.
[17:58] <user1>  I just rebooted and I see a message when I just entered password saying "call to lusertemp failed, temporary directories full?   check your installation"   but I have 4 g free on /   .  I just checked it by rebooting to console by recovery mode, by df -h"
[17:58] <MountainX> Addle: yes, I'll add it temporarily. thx
[17:59] <Addle> Just hit, if memory serves, 'e' with the right entry highlighted, Go down to the kernel param stuff and add it after 'quiet nosplash' or whatever.
[17:59] <Addle> MountainX: np :)  Hope it works.
[18:01] <MountainX> Addle: I am not optimistic it will work. My system was fine until a routine update. I did not update my video drivers. So I don't know why adding nomodeset would help.
[18:01] <Addle> MountainX: Yeah, I can't argue with that logic.
[18:02] <MountainX> Addle: are there other ideas I can try too? I'd like to get all the info I can before I try rebooting again.
[18:03] <Addle> MountainX: Hm, none come to mind, except checking any log file that might have something useful. No errors in Xorg.0.log, but maybe there's something in dmesg.
[18:03] <MountainX> Addle: there are no errors in dmesg either
[18:03] <MountainX> Addle: I didn't see any errors in any log files. (Maybe I overlooked something.)
[18:04] <Addle> MountainX: Other thing is, maybe, if you do have an Xorg config file, is to move it temporarily and see if that fixes anything.
[18:04] <Addle> MountainX: Other than that, nothing comes to mind. Maybe someone else has a better idea.
[18:05] <MountainX> Addle: I do have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but it hasn't changed in a month (according to the timestamp).
[18:05] <MountainX> Addle: my system was fine until I ran updates yesterday.
[18:06] <Addle> MountainX: Yeah, not sure what could have gone wrong to make it suddenly do that. So these are total guesses. Still, most people don't need that Xorg config file.
[18:07] <user1>  I just rebooted and I see a message when I just entered password saying "call to lusertemp failed, temporary directories full?   check your installation"   but I have 4 g free on /   .  I just checked it by rebooting to console by recovery mode, by df -h"
[18:07] <MountainX> Addle: I'm running an ATI proprietary driver and the setup/install for it creates that file. I think I need it.
[18:07] <skreech__> user1: possible that it just can't write into temp
[18:08] <user1> skreech__,  to the / temp?
[18:08] <MountainX> where is the best place to find some detailed boot troubleshooting help?
[18:08] <Addle> MountainX: Hm, that's odd. Well, I have nvidia here, so I don't know too much about the ATIs, but when I installed on my friend's system with an ATI, I don't recall seeing one there. Could be wrong. Anyways, it's one thing to try, I guess.
[18:09] <skreech__> user1: do you have any directories almost full?
[18:09] <skreech__> Well partitions
[18:09] <MountainX> Addle: the failsafeX option I tried already creates an almost empty xorg.conf file. My system still would not boot.
[18:10] <Addle> MountainX: Curiouser and curiouser.
[18:10] <shauntablet> Clean install is always better than upgrading this dist upgrades tend to fall short
[18:10] <MountainX> Addle: yeah. I'm hoping it is something simple because I didn't make any major changes to my system.
[18:11] <user1> skreech__,  am.. i think some in media but those are partitions
[18:11] <user1> skreech__,  i have used 84%of /
[18:11] <MountainX> Addle: where can I find some boot troubleshooting help?
[18:11] <shauntablet> Hindsight is 20 20 but almost always have more problems with upgrade
[18:11] <skreech__> usually things in media are mounted at the size they are. CDs and external drives etc
[18:12] <Addle> MountainX: Not sure. I'd just be hitting up a search engine. Although I'll say that the ArchWiki is often really massively useful. Might check there.
[18:13] <user1> skreech__,  what can be done?   and where is temp?
[18:13] <user1> skreech__,  what is lusertemp
[18:13] <skreech__> depends on which temp it is
[18:13] <user1> skreech__,  this problem happens for all users
[18:13] <skreech__> the main one is /tmp
[18:13] <bjrohan> Whiskey`Wonka: BluesKajWell, after doing and redoing the same thing (I think) my laptop display is back to working as expected without the HDMI plugged in. Seriously, I jsut kept checking and unckecing the TV display and the plugging and unpluggin the HMDI cord, it finally stuck
[18:13] <skreech__> where is your /home ?
[18:14] <user1> skreech__,  what chmode should / tmp have?
[18:14] <user1> skreech__,  the home is in / home/ name
[18:14] <skreech__> drwxrwxrwt
[18:14] <skreech__> It doesn't have it's own partition ?
[18:14] <user1> skreech__,  the owner should be root?  thats what it has
[18:14] <user1> skreech__,  no
[18:14] <skreech__> ok
[18:15] <skreech__> user1: can you login via the cli ?
[18:15] <user1> yes
[18:15] <user1> by recovery boot
[18:15] <Addle> user1: Also check your ~/.kde directory. Seems some people had an issue with that and got that message.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. a reboot would probly have restored you laptop display , saving wear and tear on your hdmi connector
[18:15] <skreech__> Addle: Yeah seems strange to happen for all users though
[18:15] <user1> hey, I see /  usr/  lib/ kde4/ libexec/ lnusertemp
[18:16] <Addle> skreech__: Hm, yeah, that does seem to rule that out.
[18:16] <skreech__> Addle: Doesn't rule it out. Just strange
[18:16] <user1> Addle,  what to check in .kde?
[18:16] <Addle> user1: Just the permissions (not owned by root, etc). But skreech__ is right, if it happens for all users, that probably won't help.
[18:18] <user1> Addle,  what to check in .kde?
[18:19] <Addle> user1: Nah, forget about .kde. I mean you can ls -ld ~/.kde to make sure the ownership is ok, but probably it's fine.
[18:19] <user1> ok
[18:20] <user1> hey, I see /  usr/  lib/ kde4/ libexec/ lnusertemp
[18:20] <user1> Addle,  i remember some thing deleted the .kde dir when it was running.
[18:20] <user1> i see .kde remaked though
[18:21] <Addle> user1: This is definitely "at your own risk", but here's one person with that error who solved it: http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=15959
[18:21] <user1> Addle,  ok. tell me one think. iam at recovery console as root. how can i add/ create a new user that can login to kde next time?
[18:22] <user1> if that user also fails. then its not about .kde dir
[18:22] <Addle> user1: You can use the adduser command, I believe.
[18:22] <user1> complete command?
[18:22] <user1> complete command that would reflect kde?
[18:23] <Addle> Well, I haven't used it in ages, so you might want to check 'man adduser'. Shortest version is adduser usernamehere grouphere.
[18:23] <shauntablet> adduser mynamehere
[18:24] <shauntablet> passwd mynamehere
[18:24] <Addle> Yep, don't forget to set its password :)
[18:24] <shauntablet> Believe that'll do it
[18:24] <user1> shauntablet,  the home would be created and he can login to kde?
[18:25] <shauntablet> I believe so i used it recently for ftp accounts it made the home folder
[18:25] <user1> the adduser prompted for password by itself
[18:26] <user1> and also made home
[18:26] <shauntablet> K should be good  then
[18:26] <user1> it failed too
[18:26] <user1> same error
[18:27] <Addle> Hm, what are the permissions on your /etc/passwd file?
[18:27] <user1> I just rebooted and I see a message when I just entered password saying "call to lnusertemp failed, temporary directories full?   check your installation"   but I have 4 g free on /   .  I just checked it by rebooting to console by recovery mode, by df -h"
[18:27] <user1> Addle,   a minute
[18:29] <user1> -rw-r--r--
[18:29] <Addle> user1: Assuming that's owned by root, looks ok. Quite strange.
[18:30] <user1> shauntablet,  Addle  i deleted  .kde but thats seems not the issue. i had drive full issue but for / meda/  some dirves.            the /  was full but now its 20% free
[18:31] <user1> how to check size of / media /  drives
[18:32] <BluesKaj> user1. running autoremove and autoclean can keep your / partition at a minimum if done so once /week or so
[18:32] <user1> well they are not even mounted
[18:32] <user1> hm
[18:32] <Addle> user1: Straight df -h should show you all the sizes and available space.
[18:33] <BluesKaj> especially if you update/upgrade fairly often
[18:33] <BluesKaj> user1.^
[18:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok new facet to the same issue. I can not scroll up/down with a grouped task menu at all
[18:34] <Addle> My solution? A huge 2TB drive. I love that thing. :)
[18:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> IE when grouped and there is more items then can fit i can not reach the ones that go over the screen height
[18:35] <Whiskey`Wonka> this has to be a bug with taskmanager
[18:35] <user1> Addle,  df -h only shows /
[18:36] <Addle> user1: It should show all mounted partitions.
[18:36] <Addle> user1: You can see what's mounted by typing 'mount' as well.
[18:36] <user1> ok
[18:38] <user1> I just was able to login via the newly made user  Addle  BluesKaj  shauntablet
[18:40] <user1> so seems like the prolem in .kde?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> well, cleaning out unneeded leftovers in / is still good parctice
[18:40] <Addle> user1: Could be. Or some other thing in your home.
[18:41] <user1> hm
[18:41] <user1> Addle,  like?
[18:41] <Addle> user1: You can see the permissions and ownership of your dotfiles in your home with ls -la (obviously run in your home).
[18:42] <user1> k
[18:42] <Addle> user1: I'd scan it to see if anything there is maybe owned by root or isn't writable by you.
[18:42] <Addle> user1: 'ls -la | less' to paginate it, of course. :)
[18:43] <user1> most .xxx files in /  home/ problemUser      have          drwxrwxr-x
[18:44] <Addle> user1: And I'm assuming are owned by that user.
[18:44] <user1> yes
[18:45] <Addle> Hm, hard to say what's messing it up, but you can 'mv .kde .kde.bak' and restart to see if that fixes it, I suppose.
[18:45] <Addle> user1: If it doesn't, you can move it back.
[18:45] <user1> hm
[18:46] <user1> wait
[18:46] <user1> .kde has drwx------
[18:47] <Addle> user1: Hrm... Mine is drwxr-xr-x
[18:47] <Addle> user1: Don't know if anything inside is also messed up, but perhaps a simple 'chmod go+rx .kde' will fix it.
[18:50] <user1> Addle,  i can copy .kde-bk to .kde       by       cp   .kde-bk .kde ?
[18:50] <Addle> user1: You'll need the -r flag for 'recursive'.
[18:50] <user1> k
[18:50] <Addle> user1: Though you can also use 'mv' to just rename, if appropriate.
[18:52] <user1> did the chmod but no use
[18:53] <user1> now deleting .kde
[18:53] <Addle> user1: I generally would move it, not delete it.
[18:53] <user1> yes
[18:53] <Addle> user1: Better safe than sorry. :)
[18:55] <user1> nop
[18:56] <user1> Addle,  well how can i make the new user as sudoer . I would just copy my / home data to the new user and delete the old one
[18:57] <Addle> user1: Add that user to the 'sudo' group.
[18:58] <Addle> user1: There's probably some proper way to do that, but I always just edit the /etc/group file and add the user to the correct place on the sudo group's line.
[18:59] <Addle> user1: Should look like 'sudo:x:27:someuser,anotheruser'
[18:59] <Addle> user1: If the '27' is another number, don't worry about it.
[19:01] <Addle> user1: Seems a bit drastic to fix it this way, but frankly, we could be here all day trying to figure out what broke without an error message stating where it failed.
[19:01] <user1> k
[19:02] <user1> is that an offer?
[19:02] <Addle> user1: LOL
[19:02] <user1> :|)
[19:02] <user1> brb
[19:03] <Addle> user1: Just make 100% sure you copied everything of value before deleting your old user's home, obviously. :)
[19:04] <Addle> user1: A good time to tout the benefits of having a backup or two. This message brought to you by backups. Because if you don't have them, it's just a matter of time before you lose it all. lol
[19:05] <ray_> BluesKaj: Btw installed those but it didn't help neither with the fglrx problem. Something is really screwed there. Installation runs fine. Deinstallation with the GUI not (GUI stays greyed out). But deinstallation via the terminal runs fine again.
[19:07] <BluesKaj>  ray_ ??, did you use a different nick earlier ?. I'm not sure about your reference
[19:08] <ray_> BluesKaj: Yup sry. Realized it after I already sent the msg. It was RayZa.
[19:08] <BluesKaj> ok RayZa
[19:10] <RayZa> BluesKaj: Last msg by me was 17:12:06
[19:11] <BluesKaj> RayZa. yeah , but I'm in a diff time zone and I rebooted since we spoke last
[19:13] <RayZa> BluesKaj: So I could install fglrx but then it wouldn't let me past the bootscreen. It apparently got stuck there visually but not the rest since I could shut it down gracefully by shortly pressing the power button.
[19:18] <Quest> Addle,  user1 here
[19:19] <Quest> Addle, just deleted ALL .* dirs
[19:19] <Quest> looks ok now
[19:20] <Addle> Quest: Good :)
[19:20] <Quest> lost configs and settings though. will make  a fresh start
[19:20] <Addle> Quest: Always annoying, but at least you're up and running.
[19:20] <Quest> well question to all: how to make file display as details for ALL dirs what so ever, when so ever in dolphin?
[19:20] <Quest> Addle,  yes. thats what matters
[19:21] <Addle> Quest: There's an option to turn that on by default. Let me check...
[19:22] <Quest> Addle,  ok. brb in 5
[19:22] <Addle> Quest: Well, I thought I saw an option. Anyways, the View meny has a toggle for it. Also, Alt+.
[19:24] <Addle> *menu
[19:34] <Quest> Addle,  back
[19:47] <Quest> Addle,  you there?
[19:47] <Quest> Addle,  thanks any way !
[19:47] <Addle> Quest: Yep, still here.
[19:48] <Addle> Quest: And you're welcome :)
[19:49] <Quest> found the dolphin thing?
[19:49] <Addle> No, but you can toggle it on in the View menu or Alt+.
[19:50] <Addle> Quest: Oh there it is!
[19:50] <Addle> Quest: View menu -> Adjust View Properties.
[19:51] <Addle> Quest: Set it up how you like as default behaviour and then set Apply View Properties to "All Folders" and check "Use these view properties by default".
[19:51] <Quest> I see control>dolphin settings> view modes only
[19:52] <Addle> Quest: Oh, you have the menu still disabled. I turned it back on. Let me turn it off and see where it ends up.
[19:53] <Addle> Oh, the Adjust View Properties is right there in the control menu.
[19:53] <Quest> k
[19:54] <Quest> great Addle  works.
[19:55] <Quest> thanks again
[19:55] <Addle> np :)
[20:02] <dhq> hey people i just recently updated to 13.10 .... how do i force a resolution ... i have 1600*1200 i need 1080
[20:03] <dhq> its not availible but i was using this on 13.04
[20:03] <soee> dhq, what craphic card are you uing ?
[20:04] <dhq> 8600mgt nvidia
[20:04] <lordievader> dhq: Read this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[20:06] <soee> lordievader, wouldnt easier be using nvidia-settings ?
[20:07] <soee> (for propriety drivers)
[20:07] <lordievader> soee: I usually use xrandr for such things, works like a charm.
[20:07] <soee> :)
[20:07] <soee> i think the native resolution should be detected by default ?
[20:27] <dhq> soee: its an external monitor connected to my laptop
[20:29] <dhq> i dont know what do do with xandr
[20:58] <nafg> Hello
[20:59] <nafg> I just upgraded
[20:59] <nafg> Whenever I move the mouse to the edge of the screen a blue "halo" line appears
[20:59] <nafg> What is that?
[21:00] <nafg> Btw muon always crashes
[21:01] <BluesKaj> nafg. upgraded what ?
[21:01] <nafg> BluesKaj: To Saucy
[21:01] <nafg> what else ;)
[21:02] <BluesKaj> ok nafg , then run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:02] <Addle> nafg: The blue glow thing is probably just a screen edge hotspot. Should be configurable in the settings in Workspace Behavior -> Screen Edges.
[21:03] <nafg> BluesKaj: Why? what will that do?
[21:04] <BluesKaj> finish upgrading some packages in suacy
[21:04] <BluesKaj> err saucy :)
[21:05] <nafg> Addle: thanks, that's probably what it is, since there's a glow also when I move to the corner. But I only have one corner edge action, and 8 glows.
[21:05] <nafg> OTOH that setting dialog only lets you configure actions on the *corners*
[21:05] <nafg> IIRC it used to allow edges too but now seems not
[21:06] <nafg> So doesn't adequately explain the glows
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ghost tin the machine
[21:07] <Addle> nafg: Might be the "Switch desktop on edge" setting. And you should see boxes for 4 edges and 4 sides in the monitor graphic.
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ok , enough for one day ..later
[21:07] <Addle> Later, BluesKaj
[21:07] <nafg> BluesKaj: great, just what I needed
[21:08] <nafg> Addle: I don't though :(
[21:08] <Addle> nafg: Ok, that's rather odd then.
[21:08] <nafg> Addle:
[21:08] <nafg> aha
[21:08] <nafg> it depends on the setting you mentioned
[21:08] <Addle> nafg: Ah, yes I see. :)
[21:08] <Addle> nafg: Makes sense.
[21:09] <nafg> essentially it *is* an edge action, that comes 4 edges at a time
[21:09] <Addle> nafg: Yep
[21:09] <nafg> but doesn't explain the other 3 corner glows
[21:09] <nafg> now they're also gone
[21:10] <nafg> also, IMHO the glow should only appear when there's another desktop in that direction
[21:10] <nafg> or if they wrap around
[21:10] <nafg> but I think ATM I prefer it disabled so I'm ok
[21:10] <nafg> in general the glow is a very good improvement
[21:11] <Addle> nafg: Mine do wrap around.
[21:11] <nafg> it's a setting somewhere IIRC but mine don't.
[21:12] <Addle> nafg: Yep, I see it in the Virtual Desktops settings. Agreed that it shouldn't glow if there's no desktop there.
[21:13] <nafg> also if you have 2 desktops even with wrap around there are only 2 valid edges
[21:13] <nafg> unless it "wraps around" to itself
[21:14] <Addle> nafg: Ok, now you've made me want to test that. :)
[21:14] <nafg> muon discover at least opens
[21:14] <nafg> is old muon software center supposed to be removed?
[21:15] <nafg> but discover is slow
[21:15] <Addle> nafg: WIth one row, it no longer switches on the edge, and no longer shows the glow on the top/bottom edges. For me, anyways.
[21:15] <nafg> that's good
[21:15] <nafg> so it needs to check if wraparound is off
[21:15] <nafg> so slow
[21:15] <nafg> !!
[21:16] <Addle> nafg: Muon seems to be coming along, but I still end up using synaptic anyways.
[21:17] <Addle> nafg: Not as user friendly, and it's harder to find what you want, but it's still one of the first things I always install.
[21:17] <nafg> i often just use command line, but still
[21:18] <nafg> this is made with qt "quick" right??
[21:20] <Addle> nafg: I have no idea.
[22:47] <alesan> hi I have updatd to kubuntu 13.10 and now my PTP camera does not open anymore
[22:47] <alesan> any hint to at least debug the issue?
[22:48] <alesan> if I go to camera:/ in konqueror it does not show anything
[22:51] <Addle> alesan: I don't have one, but perhaps it just needs to be configured in the system settings? There's a digital camera entry in Hardware.
[22:58] <zacarias> Does someone know if the bug with the 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade is already fixed?
[22:58] <alesan> Addle, I see it in the control panel but it doe not allow me to copy the data
[23:05] <Addle> alesan: Don't have one to test, but mass storage mode probably works ok. All I can think is make sure you have libgphoto2 installed.
[23:05] <alesan> mass storage works but my D700 unfortunately does not have it. Damn Nikon
[23:05] <Addle> alesan: Note to self: Don't buy one of those.
[23:06] <alesan> Addle, OK, but with 13.04 it was working
[23:06] <alesan> and you won;t easily find a camera with such low noise performance
[23:13] <alesan> so the real note to self would be: do not update to 13.10
[23:14] <Addle> alesan: At least if you have a PTP camera.
[23:14] <Addle> alesan: All I can say is maybe post in the kubuntu forums, or check the bug tracker and log a bug report if it hasn't already.
[23:17] <alesan> the procedure to report a bug is cumbersome... I prefer to find a workaround and wait for the next release
[23:17] <Addle> alesan: Might want to see if it works in some other software, like digikam.
[23:18] <alesan> digikam has way too many dependancies, it's crazy
[23:18] <Addle> alesan: Sure, but it does help others and helps make the software better.
[23:18] <alesan> I counted 52 I have to install in my system
[23:18] <alesan> so now I'm about to try gphoto from the command line/interective
[23:18] <Addle> alesan: Or other software, I suppose.
[23:19] <Addle> alesan: Worth a shot.
[23:22] <alesan> gphoto2 --get-all-files !!! it works and it's so simple!!!!
[23:22] <alesan> I do not think I will use konqueror anymore for this
[23:22] <Addle> alesan: Excellent! Problem with konqueror I guess.
[23:22] <alesan> or dolphin, it's the same
[23:22] <alesan> bye!
[23:28] <amichair> Hola, I just upgraded to 13.10 and apache2 is broken, is there any doc somewhere on what changes need to be made to configuration to fix it?
[23:30] <Addle> amichair: Mine is a fresh install of 13.10, but apache2 works fine for me. So doubt there's a doc on it. But maybe there's some clues in the apache2 logs?
[23:32] <amichair> Addle: from what I understood the problem is that upgrading from Apache 2.2 to 2.4 there were various configuration changes, and that's what causes it to break. 13.04 had 2.2, 13.10 has 2.4.
[23:32] <amichair> Addle: I don't see anything useful in the logs yet
[23:33] <Addle> amichair: Ah, that could well be. Hope there's something in the logs, otherwise debugging it may be "fun".
[23:34] <amichair> Addle: do you have conf.d mentioned anywhere in the configs?
[23:36] <Addle> No, though I do have a conf.d directory.
[23:36] <amichair> Addle: ok, I thought there might be an include statement missing somewhere, but I guess it's hardcoded
[23:37] <amichair> Addle: may I ask what files you have under sites-available?
[23:37] <Addle> amichair: 000-default.conf and default-ssl.conf
[23:38] <amichair> Addle: hmmm... I also have a 000-default.conf.dpkg-new and default.dpkg-dist, though the dates are not from now
[23:40] <Addle> amichair: I suppose those might have some clues on how to change the files.
[23:41] <Addle> amichair: This might be useful: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/upgrading.html
[23:43] <amichair> Addle: thanks, I went through it and made some changes but it wasn't enough
[23:44] <Addle> amichair: Might want to start it in debug mode (-X flag). Really should be some sort of error somewhere when it fails.
[23:45] <Addle> amichair: Also, -t runs a syntax check on the config files.
[23:45] <amichair> Addle: it doesn't totally fail, just appears to ignore all custom configuration and just show the standard welcome page
[23:49] <Addle> amichair: Do you have symlinks in sites-enabled to the relevant ones in sites-available?
[23:51] <amichair> Addle: I have them all defined under conf.d (one file with several virtualhosts), nothing in sites-enabled and only 000-default in sites-available (this has always worked)
[23:51] <Addle> amichair: Hm, might try just symlinking them then. According to the to of my apache2.conf, that's the way it should be.
[23:53] <amichair> Addle: all config files everywhere are of the same format right?
[23:54] <Addle> amichair: I think so, but I haven't worked with apache config files in eons.


[06:25] <smspillaz> duflu: what's wrong with changing the if condition as I suggested in your MRQ ?
[06:26] <duflu> smspillaz: I could not see any way we could do so without regressing something. So regressing support for !XShape seemed least evil
[06:27] <smspillaz> duflu: you didn't answer my quesiton
[06:28] <smspillaz> as I mentioned, those if checks were only there for the !XShape case, so you should just be able to put them in an else block
[06:28] <duflu> smspillaz: Your suggested solution regressed something. I will have to review again to remember
[06:29] <smspillaz> okay, keep looking into it
[06:29] <smspillaz> BTW, the way the fake minimization code is supposed to work is that we change the input and bounding shape on the client window
[06:29] <smspillaz> which is automatically updated to be reflected in the frame window
[06:29] <smspillaz> so there shouldn't be any problems there - I tested the life out of it
[06:30] <duflu> smspillaz: Hmm, I think I was assuming XShape keeps working with fake-minimize, but obviously it does not (hence the bug)
[06:30] <smspillaz> indeed
[06:30] <duflu> Ok...
[06:30] <smspillaz> uhh oh actually
[06:30] <smspillaz> depends on what you're referring to
[06:30] <smspillaz> if the window changes shape while we've removed it, we automatically catch that and save the new shape, then restore the "null" input shape
[06:31] <duflu> smspillaz: Right, so there's still a risk in the old logic that a dead zone could appear... ?
[06:32] <smspillaz> duflu: can you explain further?
[06:32] <duflu> smspillaz: I mean how do we not get an XShape while the window is fake-minimized?
[06:33] <duflu> Just pure luck that it does not resize during that
[06:33] <smspillaz> duflu: we do get them
[06:33] <duflu> ?
[06:33] <duflu> So... the potential regression you raised is already an issue right now. Not a new problem
[06:34] <smspillaz> I ... didn't raise a potential regression ?
[06:34] <smspillaz> unless you're talking about the if (w->minimized ()) thing
[06:34] <smspillaz> in which case, that's different
[06:34] <duflu> smspillaz: Ok, too confusing. I will implement your suggestion and see if anything breaks
[06:34] <smspillaz> evidently so ...
[06:35]  * duflu has had little sleep and so far today been too unwell to go get the food he needs for dinner. Not thinking well
[06:40] <duflu> smspillaz: How/why do we not get a shape during fake minimize?
[06:40] <duflu> It hinges on that
[06:40] <smspillaz> duflu: during the fake minimize ?
[06:40] <smspillaz> duflu: unity is calling XShapeSelectInput (... NoEventMask)
[06:41] <duflu> smspillaz: Ok, ta
[06:41] <duflu> A simple explanation
[06:41] <smspillaz> I believe we do that so that we don't get a feedback loop
[06:41] <smspillaz> and call XSendEvent instead
[06:41] <smspillaz> (so we can tell when we shaped ourselves)
[06:41] <duflu> Though it means we have (already) some nasty assumption coupled to Unity
[06:41] <smspillaz> inside of compiz ?
[06:41] <duflu> Yeah
[06:42] <smspillaz> what's the assumption ?
[06:42] <smspillaz> that we're not going to get a shape event ?
[06:42] <duflu> If some other plugin implemented a fake minimize without disabling the shape then we'd have big problems. So we're assuming it is done along with XShapeSelectInput
[06:42] <smspillaz> not really
[06:43] <smspillaz> so the only reason why we call XShapeSelectInput with NoEventMask in unity is because
[06:43] <smspillaz> we need to be able to tell the difference between when we shaped a window and when someone else did
[06:43] <smspillaz> BUT compiz needs to know that the window was shaped
[06:43] <smspillaz> so, in unity we call XSendEvent and send a fake ShapeNotify on that window
[06:43] <smspillaz> and then compiz gets it shape event
[06:44] <smspillaz> and when unity gets it, it can tell it was just the same one that it sent, because it checks the send_event field
[06:45] <smspillaz> It might be better to implement that through XNextRequest and checking the event serial
[06:45] <smspillaz> but it would be similar
[06:46] <smspillaz> duflu: anyways, the bottom line is that when the window is fake-minimized, compiz should definitely get a shape event, because unity will have sent one
[06:46] <duflu> smspillaz: Right but we're relying on XShapeGetRectangles returning nInput = 0
[06:46] <smspillaz> indeed, and that will happen
[06:47] <duflu> Ok
[06:47] <smspillaz> because the window will have been shaped :)
[06:47] <duflu> I think it's ugly but want to minimize what gets touched right now
[06:47] <smspillaz> the current implementation? yes it is :)
[06:47] <smspillaz> if I knew about XNextRequest and event serials when I wrote it I would have used that
[07:13] <duflu> smspillaz: Now the boundingShape is empty during minimize. So the window is missing during the minimize animation. That's why both the old code and my proposal has to treat bounding and input shapes differently :P
[07:18] <smspillaz> duflu: right, we remove both shapes
[07:18] <smspillaz> duflu: though, I would imagine the logic you'd use for both would be the same
[07:18] <smspillaz> if !XShape -> assume both have one rect each
[07:18] <smspillaz> if XShape -> query rectangles, apply to frame window
[07:19] <duflu> smspillaz: I will try hacking the old behaviour back in... fall back to the unshaped boundingShape if not available
[07:19] <smspillaz> uh ?
[07:19] <smspillaz> duflu: that doesn't make any sense to me
[07:20] <smspillaz> all you want to do, is just, in the case that xshape is supported, query both the bounding and input shapes on the client window and apply them to the frame window respectively
[07:20] <smspillaz> and if it isn't support, assume that the bounding and input shapes exactly match the window geometry
[07:20] <smspillaz> *supported
[07:21] <duflu> Ok, I went too far down the track of cleaning up the whole function
[07:21] <duflu> Should just do what you mentioned
[07:22] <duflu> smspillaz: BTW, non-XShape seems to work much better if you set priv->[input]region = geom
[07:22] <smspillaz> duflu: show me the change you've made afterwards just so I can see if we're on the same page
[07:22] <smspillaz> duflu: at resizing? I would imagine so
[07:22] <duflu> smspillaz: I mean no gaps any more
[07:22] <smspillaz> gaps ?
[07:23] <duflu> smspillaz: I think it improved https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1087198
[07:23] <duflu> But should double check
[07:24] <smspillaz> ah
[07:24] <duflu> priv->region = geom as the fallback looks like it might be more correct
[07:32] <duflu> smspillaz: With XShape, it still looks like you have to fall back for region, but never for inputRegion. You need to fall back for region to ensure the window is not blank during animation. And you can't fall back for inputRegion because doing so causes the dead zone bug
[07:35] <smspillaz> ah
[07:35] <smspillaz> hmm
[07:36] <duflu> smspillaz: As the old code and my proposal do
[07:36] <duflu> So a new proposal needs such an ugly inconsistency too
[07:37] <smspillaz> duflu: I remember that unity removed both the input and bounding shape, but now that I think of it, that approach is probably incorrect
[07:37] <smspillaz> it should just remove the former
[07:37] <duflu> Great
[07:37] <duflu> So both projects needs fixing
[07:37] <smspillaz> though I remember I had some weird side effects when I didn't remove both
[07:38] <smspillaz> (like with chromium for instance)
[07:38] <duflu> smspillaz: I've had enough for the year. Approving the revert and you think about proper fixes if you feel so inclined
[07:38] <smspillaz> okay, have a good holidays :)
[07:38] <duflu> Well, enough of this issue for the year
[07:39] <smspillaz> duflu: I remember when I first wrote the fake minimization code for unity, some of the xshape paths in the server were broken
[07:39] <smspillaz> that was fun
[07:41] <smspillaz> duflu: the fact that the fake minimization code worked the whole time even though we didn't remove the bounding shape from the frame window certainly is telling though
[07:41] <duflu> smspillaz: My only real concern was you understanding that inconsistency. Now you do I think I can actually propose a super-fix
[07:41] <smspillaz> duflu: a super-fix ?
[07:41] <duflu> smspillaz: It worked because of the copy-paste bug!
[07:41] <smspillaz> well, it didn't work *because of* it, it just meant that removing the bounding shape from the client window was largely ineffective anyways
[07:42] <smspillaz> since we don't unreparent fake minimized windows
[07:42] <duflu> smspillaz: I will propose something. Then you decide what to do with it
[07:42] <smspillaz> duflu: what are you proposing ?
[07:42] <duflu> smspillaz: A rewrite of the function to cover all bases without reverting
[07:42] <duflu> May as well I guess
[07:43] <duflu> Just won't respond to any reviews :)
[07:43] <smspillaz> I'll give the unity thing a try in the meantime to see if the fake minimization code works the way I expect without removing the bounding shape
[07:44] <duflu> smspillaz: Don't worry too much. It sounds like there's no much support for keeping the Unity side much longer
[07:44] <duflu> Not sure
[07:51] <Mirv> ok then, we'll aim straight to the compiz <IP_ADDRESS> (with unredirect enabled by default) for 12.04
[07:52] <Mirv> when we have it in the PPA, testing can commence :)
[07:52] <Mirv> enough workarounds, blacklists etc start to be in place
[07:53] <smspillaz> duflu: actually now that I think of it, its probably because of the typo you identified that I had such wonky behaviour with applications that set the bounding shape
[07:57] <duflu> smspillaz: Yes. And if it wasn't for the slow resizing I would not have gone looking at XShape-related code :)
[08:15] <smspillaz> duflu: if you're still around I've confirmed to have got fake minimization working without setting ShapeBounding with your fix applied
[08:16] <duflu> smspillaz: Only physically around. I suspect
[08:18] <smspillaz> duflu: okay, I'll put both fixes in my experimental ppa
[08:18] <smspillaz> so we can get some testing
[08:24] <duflu> smspillaz: I would prefer we just had a snapshot or icon for minimized windows and removed the complexity. But if the bugs are fixed then there's less argument for removing it
[08:24] <smspillaz> duflu: live previews aren't really that complicated
[08:24] <duflu> Not now that we have spent several days over the past year or two fixing the bugs
[08:25] <duflu> But removing complexity is about being nice to the future of humanity...
[08:25] <smspillaz> well, this is the first time we've had to touch the code in quite some time
[08:26] <duflu> Yeah true. The pain of when it used to crash is still with me somehow
[08:26] <smspillaz> duflu: that being said, I think compiz is the only WM right now that has a relatively bug-free implementation
[08:27] <smspillaz> I remember mutter and kwin implemented it (in different ways) and it was a complete nightmare for them
[08:27] <smspillaz> they didn't use xshape, they used stacking tricks instead
[08:27] <duflu> smspillaz: I would not say that in too many public forums, given the resize/move performance and decorator glitches
[08:27] <duflu> But it's improving a lot
[08:28] <duflu> smspillaz: Oh... relatively bug free live minimize preview... yes.
[08:29] <smspillaz> duflu: well, my WIP change has been reported to completely eliminate movement perf problems for those who tested it :)
[08:29] <duflu> smspillaz: It was awesome on the old Atom
[08:29] <smspillaz> I'm still letting it get more testing though just to see if there are any other weird corner cases
[08:30] <duflu> smspillaz: I think the Nexus 7 needs the move/resize improvements desperately. Have not tried them there yet I think
[08:30] <smspillaz> duflu: BTW, the buffer_age stuff is awesome. I know glxgears is not a benchmark, but I get something like +200FPS
[08:31] <smspillaz> can't wait until its supported in other drivers
[08:31] <duflu> smspillaz: What is it relative to copy subbuffer?
[08:31] <smspillaz> duflu: haven't checked
[08:31] <duflu> The same at least I would hope. Maybe better because you can still use SwapInterval for concurrent rendering
[08:32] <duflu> (or on Nvidia, avoiding glCopyPixels)
[08:32] <smspillaz> duflu: indeed
[08:32] <smspillaz> duflu: I can check now if you want
[08:33] <duflu> smspillaz: Don't really want to know. I have too much to deal with yet
[08:33] <duflu> today...
[08:34] <duflu> smspillaz: But you did get Phoronix excited
[08:37] <smspillaz> :p
[08:37] <smspillaz> duflu: unity is still having an impact, even though I thought it did nothing when damage regions didn't intersect the shell
[08:38] <duflu> smspillaz: Yes I noticed a similar problem on the Nexus this week. I think it's paintDisplay'ing too much
[08:39] <smspillaz> duflu: showRepaint says its damageScreening on every frame but that doesn't seem right
[08:39] <duflu> smspillaz: Very bad.
[08:40] <duflu> smspillaz: Look at r2872. It fixes flickering but maybe that's why I never had such a call in the original regionalDamage work.
[08:42] <duflu> Like something is getting queued in UnityScreen::compizDamageNux despite not intersecting
[08:42] <smspillaz> duflu: the panel is redrawing on every frame
[08:42] <smspillaz> being called from UBusServer::DispatchMessages -> OnBackgroundUpdate
[08:42] <smspillaz> how is our battery life /not/ screwed
[08:43] <smspillaz> uhh right
[08:43] <smspillaz> so ubus is spamming us every frame telling us the background color changed
[08:43] <duflu> smspillaz: What?!
[09:21] <Mirv> smspillaz: yeah, really cool blog post
[09:27] <smspillaz> Mirv: :)
[09:27] <smspillaz> Mirv: sadly, its still going to be slow on unity. The fact that we reverted regionalDamage and replaced it with (if something_nux_drawn) damageScreen (); means theres a feedback loop causing the screen to be damaged every frame regardless of whether unity drew
[09:28] <smspillaz> I'm trying to see if we can unrevert that safely
[09:30] <sil2100> regionalDamage got reverted?
[09:37] <didrocks> hey sil2100, do you have a little status now that you've merged some tests about which ones are still broken?
[09:38] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, one moment - I'll just fetch the list
[09:39] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[09:40] <sil2100> didrocks: so, currently from the latest test result, 2 test failures are probably gone for good, 2 are being worked on, 4 are actual regressions (;p) and one of them seems to be hm, a singular case I wasn't able to figure out
[09:41] <didrocks> sil2100: so, we'll just have one remaining when then 2+4 are fixed? That's awesome \o/
[09:41] <didrocks> sil2100: do you have time to track those and ensure it's done by end of next week? (not sure about your schedule and holidays)
[09:41] <sil2100> didrocks: yes! Well, I even think that one failed test will anyway not fail next time I hope, probably a single case of a failure due to 'bad luck'?
[09:42] <didrocks> sil2100: let's see ;)
[09:42] <sil2100> didrocks: no problem, I hope to finish those till this EOW
[09:42] <didrocks> sil2100: you rock! I won't be there next week, but just drop me an email if possible so that once I'm back from holidays, I don't bother you :)
[09:42] <sil2100> didrocks: I'm just doing some formalities regarding the compiz SRU for precise, like bug descriptions
[09:42] <didrocks> sweet ;)
[09:42] <sil2100> didrocks: np! Will do so!
[09:43] <didrocks> thanks again sil2100, that's a life saver to have those tests running for stacks! :)
[10:29] <axyz> hello
[10:30] <axyz> currently, if I have let's say 4 skype (or any other app) windows opened, when i click on launcher i will see them arranged on the screen
[10:30] <axyz> i want to see only their titles, like in windows/kde
[10:30] <axyz> is this possible ?
[10:34] <axyz> anyone here ?
[10:50] <sil2100> smspillaz: hi, are you around ;) ?
[14:15] <fginther> mhr3, ping
[14:15] <mhr3> fginther, pong
[14:16] <fginther> mhr3, I resolved the non-srcdir build issues in https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/dee/add-code-coverage/+merge/139586, would you like to review?
[14:16] <mhr3> fginther, it was merged 5hours ago ;)
[14:17] <fginther> ackk! thanks. I should learn to refresh my web pages :-)
[15:22] <fginther> Trevinho, ping
[15:28] <sil2100> larsu: hi!
[16:36] <Trevinho> fginther: hi
[16:37] <fginther> Trevinho, can you recommend a reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/bamf/add-code-coverage/+merge/138590?
[16:39] <Trevinho> fginther: someone from distro, or I can do that
[16:43] <fginther> Trevinho, I'm looking for someone familiar with bamf to make sure I've added coverage to the right places and didn't break any existing work-flow
[16:47] <Trevinho> fginther: well, I am familiar with it
[16:47] <Trevinho> fginther: quite EOW for me... But I'll try to give it a look on next days
[16:48] <fginther> Trevinho, no rush. Thanks in advance
[17:27] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, before I'm going on holidays, do you have any good news on the test fronts?
[17:27] <didrocks> now, the plumbings are connected here, so it's just a question to get the list of failure for indicators down to 0 \o/
[17:28] <didrocks> mterry: cyphermox: just confirming that I disabled the daily landing on purpose before going on holidays
[17:28] <cyphermox> ack
[17:33] <mhr3> didrocks, oh, you're leaving us already?
[17:33] <mhr3> didrocks, enjoy christmas then!
[17:34] <didrocks> mhr3: thanks a lot! will do, you too when you will be on holidays :)
[17:34] <didrocks> (still here for 30 minutes before holidays, finishing some catching up)
[17:34] <mhr3> didrocks, you're doing it wrong, no need to catch up before going away :P
[17:35] <didrocks> ahah :)
[17:35] <mhr3> you need to catch up when you come back :)
[17:35] <didrocks> well, let's say it's to have *less* to catch up :)
[17:35] <didrocks> I see that seb128 is emptying his old emails to answer as well :p
[17:36] <seb128> didrocks, that's correct!
[17:36] <mhr3> i'm sure he just implemented a new bot! ;)
[17:36] <didrocks> heh
[17:36] <didrocks> mhr3: with what I received, it's very much possible :p
[17:38] <mhr3> you guys know that an intelligent system is just an aggregation of simple parts? one day lp will become self aware and it'll be because of your bots!
[17:41] <didrocks> heh ;)
[17:49] <mterry> whoops, just missed didrocks
[18:16] <alo21> hi. When a new lens' idea could be imported into standard Ubuntu installation?
[18:27] <gatox> hi, quick question...... unity is building in raring?
[18:29] <gatox> well...... i see it's building..... but i was looking for the recipe to see the dependencies listed there
[18:59] <bregma> gatox, if you want to see the Unity build dependencies for raring, look in lp:unity in the file debian/control ... they're listed under Build-Depends:
[18:59] <gatox> bregma, thx... yes. i see the problem was i was based my recipe in an older debian/control it seems
[18:59] <gatox> bregma, thx
[19:20] <smspillaz> bregma: hey, how is it going? do you think I might be able to get some of the people on your team to do some reviews ?
[19:21] <bregma> ask bschaefer for reviews, but we've already got a big backlog and a lot of people gone for the holidays
[19:22] <bregma> so don't get too impatient
[19:22] <smspillaz> yeah I saw XD
[19:22] <smspillaz> bregma: maybe someone should clean up the +activereviews page its getting a bit big
[19:22] <smspillaz> just reject everything that's not had any activity for > 2 months
[19:22] <bregma> on my list, but, I'm supposed to be on vacation myself
[19:23] <smspillaz> heh, I'm not supposed to be "working", though I do need a desktop that doesn't lag like crazy ... and now that I have some free time I felt like actually going and doing that :p
[19:24] <smspillaz> since everyone is so busy :)
[19:44] <bschaefer> smspillaz, you need a review?


[03:10] <Madpilot> hi all
[03:16] <ajmitch> hi Madpilot
[03:17] <Madpilot> hi ajmitch
[04:21] <Madpilot> will running SVN & CVS on the same box (but for completely different projects) cause any problems?
[04:21] <Madpilot> (I'm guessing no, but...)
[04:21] <ajmitch> nope, no problems
[04:22] <Madpilot> figured as much. thanks
[04:22] <Madpilot> using svn for the ubuntu docs stuff, but Screem uses CVS for website management, and I want to try that out
[04:45] <Madpilot> does the Breezy version of Yelp have a proper search function? that's one thing the Windows help stuff did well, was indexing & searching...
[07:36] <Burglaptop> hey all
[07:36] <Burglaptop> I may drop off again due to the bad connection here
[07:37] <Madpilot> hi Burglaptop - where is "here"?
[07:40] <Burglaptop> C's place
[07:40] <Madpilot> thought there was a decent connection there?
[07:41] <Burglaptop> the one decent one I cannot seem to get
[07:41] <Burglaptop> did you see that jeffsch checked in a .css file for the faqguide?
[07:41] <Madpilot> ah well. generous neighbours go away for long weekends, I guess ;)
[07:42] <Burglaptop> yes
[07:42] <Madpilot> just a sec, let me update my -doc svn
[07:44] <Burglaptop> check it out, I have to go to bed now
[07:44] <Madpilot> OK. good night
[09:46] <rob^> anyone here?
[09:46] <Madpilot> not really, I'm just leaving...
[09:47] <rob^> just wondering if anyone got my patch, it hasn't been applied yet
[09:47] <Madpilot> when did you send the email?
[09:48] <rob^> 1049k
[09:48] <Madpilot> give me a minute, my net connection is being stupid (and glacially slow...)
[09:49] <Madpilot> is that the global.net patch?
[09:49] <rob^> or yep
[09:49] <rob^> heh
[09:49] <rob^> yes
[09:49] <Madpilot> it hit the list a while ago, no other messages about applying it
[09:50] <Madpilot> .ent, even...
[09:50] <Madpilot> no commit access here, someone will get to it later, I guess
[09:50] <jeffsch> i'll do it
[09:50] <rob^> thanks jeffsch
[09:50] <rob^> I hope the send me a new password soon
[09:50] <jeffsch> in the meantime, can you guys try building the faqguide?
[09:51] <jeffsch> i just finished the customization layer
[09:51] <rob^> yeah, apply it then I will
[09:51] <rob^> I need to update to get the css file
[09:51] <Madpilot> jeffsch: was that your css file I saw during svn up earlier?
[09:52] <jeffsch> yeah
[09:55] <Madpilot> closed that... oops
[09:55] <Madpilot> anyway, I do need sleep. good night, all
[09:55] <rob^> night Madpilot
[09:56] <jeffsch> ok rob^, done
[09:56] <rob^> hmm.. sun rpc on <IP_ADDRESS>:32771
[09:56] <rob^> thanks
[10:12] <rob^> hey jeffsch, you still there?
[10:12] <jeffsch> yep
[10:12] <rob^> the css looks good
[10:13] <rob^> the only thing is the distance between the last answer and the next question, I think they are a little too close
[10:13] <rob^> its mainly the first question actually
[10:14] <rob^> for example:
[10:14] <rob^> 8. How do I install a DVD ripper (dvd::rip)?
[10:14] <rob^> 1.
[10:14] <rob^> How do I install multimedia codecs?
[10:14] <rob^> under music and movies
[10:14] <rob^> feel a little too close
[10:15] <jeffsch> yeah
[10:15] <rob^> gee I can crap on a bit sometimes
[10:18] <rob^> the faq guide keeps crashing yelp though..
[10:20] <rob^> yelp in breezy that is
[10:22] <rob^> hmm chapter 2 (installing applications), the last two questions (2.5 and 2.6), the gap between the question and the answer is larger then the rest also
[10:23] <rob^> which might be actually normal, and the beginning of that chapter is too small..
[10:29] <jeffsch> the faqguide.xml crashes yelp? that's normal. yelp is not yet finished.
[10:29] <rob^> yeah
[02:05] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[02:09] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco


[00:21] <ESphynx> OH! :) awesome! it build :)
[00:21] <ESphynx> built*
[00:22] <ESphynx> This is encouraging :) Now I just have to figure out why GCC 4.7 crashes my executables *again* :P
[01:09] <ESphynx> What does "Build for superseded Source" mean?
[01:10] <ESphynx> https://code.launchpad.net/~jerstlouis/+recipe/ecere-dev-natty -- For Natty it said that , but the exact same source worked fine for Lucid?
[01:34] <wgrant> ESphynx: It means that it automatically cancelled the build because there was already a newer one pending.
[01:34] <wgrant> ESphynx: (or because you deleted the source package before the builds started)
[01:35] <wgrant> Ah
[01:35] <wgrant> In this case it's because the daily recipe built a newer version
[01:35] <wgrant> You probably shouldn't have the daily and dev recipes building into the same series in the same PPA, as they'll overwrite each other
[02:12] <ESphynx> wgrant: oh they will?
[02:12] <ESphynx> by 'series', you mean the Ubuntu version?
[02:13] <ESphynx> can't I call them 'dev' or something?
[05:31] <ESphynx> I moved them to a different PPA :)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> wgrant: you around?
[07:34] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Hi
[07:36] <Hobbsee> wgrant: don't worry, managed to get some help from StevenK on what I was looking for
[08:30] <ori-l> hey, any idea why a package will get stuck in "pending publication" state?
[12:50] <fAz4> Launchpad.net is not accessible from iran, does anyone knows if canonical follows any US sanctions
[12:50] <fAz4>  just wanted to make sure if it's due to sanctions or just a technical issue.


[08:11] <RAOF> mjg59: You might be interested to know that ACPI worked this boot, for no obvious reason.
[08:13] <genewitch> What is the latest stable distro of ubuntu that uses a 2.4.x kernel?
[08:14] <n2diy_> genewitch: curious, what is wrong with 2.6?
[08:14] <RAOF> genewitch: I think the answer is "never".
[08:15] <genewitch> Doesn't support my touchpad, but 2.4 kernel does (verified)
[08:15] <RAOF> genewitch: From memory, Hoary had the option of a 2.4 kernel, but defaulted to a 2.6
[08:15] <genewitch> oh ubuntu is young :-)
[08:15] <RAOF> *Yes*
[08:16] <genewitch> I wanted to install it with 2.4, and compile up to 2.6 if at all possible.
[08:16] <genewitch> Sigh, i hate fedora, but thanks anyhow. i'll check hoary.
[08:16] <n2diy_> genewitch: Sounds like you need a module, not a kernel?
[08:16] <genewitch> May i query you?
[08:17] <n2diy_> who me? yes.
[11:13] <kraut> moin
[11:49] <rtg> BenC: is there any reason that we shouldn't be using CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_NEW=m ?
[11:50] <BenC> rtg: because we have a lib-pata driver that supports those devices
[11:52] <rtg> BenC: not only that, but BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is deprecated. missed that.
[13:31] <rtg> abogani: have you tried the -rt build on hardy since I rebased yesterday?
[13:32] <Kano> rtg: it seems you reverted iwl
[13:32] <Kano> how about the bcm43xx + prism54 pci id remove?
[13:32] <rtg> Kano: if you would file a LP report with the list if offending ID's, I would be happy to make that fix.
[13:33] <Kano> rtg: very easy: all
[13:33] <Kano> modinfo -F alias ssb bcm43xx
[13:33] <Kano> are the same
[13:34] <Kano> modinfo -F alias prism54 p54pci
[13:34] <Kano> same for those
[13:36] <abogani> rtg: No. Should i look in it?
[13:36] <Kano> ssb is the loader for the new b43* modules. maybe add the firmware...
[13:36] <rtg> abogani: there are a couple of FTBS issues. I fixed one, but now there is another compile error. Can you look at it?
[13:37] <abogani> rtg: Ok.
[16:32] <abogani> rtg: with fixes kernel compile and running fine here. Do you want an email based request pull as usual?
[17:13] <rtg> abogani: applied. thanks.
[17:14] <rtg> zul: how are those xen patches coming?
[17:45] <zul> they are oming
[18:37] <superm1> rtg, i was going to ask if there is going to be a plan for getting unionfs to be playing nicely with nfs for this LTS?
[18:38] <rtg> superm1: from kees: ' rtg: AA upstream got back to me -- they have a fix and an update for the unionfs 1.2 branch too.'
[18:39] <superm1> yay :)
[18:39] <laga> yay
[18:39] <laga> (great. almost had my workaround ready ;))
[18:39] <rtg> superm1: I just uploaded a -5 kernel, but might be able to do it again tomorrow if it doesn't cause an ABI bump.
[18:39] <laga> rtg: is there a patch somewhere?
[18:40] <rtg> laga: thats what kees implied, but I haven't seen it yet. tomorrow...
[18:40] <laga> rtg: good. thank you.
[18:40]  * laga really appreciates that :)
[18:46] <Kano> rtg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185719
[18:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185719 in linux "remove duplicate pci ids bcm43xx/ssb prism54/p54pci" [Undecided,New]
[18:46] <Kano> you wanted it
[18:49] <Kano> btw. there is a fix for a but i reported against gutsy
[18:50] <Kano> which should be in mesa cvs
[18:59] <Kano> affects hardy too
[20:17] <frederico> xit
[20:17] <frederico> sorry, wrong terminal, was a exit...


[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[14:37] <tobasco> jamespage: coreycb pushed patch to remove l2gw from puppet integration testing because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networking-l2gw/+bug/1739779
[14:37] <tobasco> seems like python-networking-l2gw has not been cut for queens, probably no deliverable from that project either yet
[14:45] <coreycb> tobasco: thanks for reporting that
[14:46] <tobasco> np let me know if there is anything i can help with, i checked master on networking-l2gw and it was fixed there
[19:53] <Sircle>  I see "InRelease" when I do apt update. Whats wronge?
[20:43] <TJ-> Sircle: nothing
[23:17] <hwpplayer1> Hi people any good news ?