[00:00] <nixternal> we used like 2 huge rolls of cat-6 cabling, he has like 4 cisco/whatever wireless-n boxes. if i am out back with my laptop, i will actually use his internet because i get a better connection with his than i do mine wirelessly :)
[00:02] <nixternal> my mom has the bose wave radio thing. you talk about sweet
[00:03] <nixternal> i don't know what all it does, but i know it sounds really good
[00:03] <rick_h_> snap-l: we meeting up for dinner tomorrow?
[00:30] <snap-l> WE can try
[00:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: thinking of just heading down after work and finding some food down there before my talk
[00:31] <rick_h_> I should look at where this actually is :/
[00:33] <rick_h_> oh jeeze, that's way down there
[00:35] <rick_h_> ooh, pf changs!
[00:41] <snap-l> Grrr.... phone is in perrysburg
[00:42] <rick_h_> doh
[00:42] <snap-l> still has estimated date of tomorrow, though
[00:42] <snap-l> go little phone, go
[00:42] <rick_h_> you think it can you think it can
[00:42] <snap-l> Don't be like rick_h_'s phones and get caught up in customs
[01:25] <snap-l> There's a fucking fly in here.
[06:21] <Revolutionary> Is anyone active right now?
[11:49] <brousch> ug, rough morning
[11:50] <rick_h_> ouch
[11:51] <brousch> the boy broke his glasses, so he is all distraught. then he threw a fit and stomped on my wife's foot with his shoes, so he's more distraught
[11:54] <brousch> release party went well last night. 14 people there when there are typically 6 at that meeting
[11:54] <brousch> a lot less ubuntu hate this time around
[11:56] <rick_h_> that's cool
[11:56] <rick_h_> good to hear
[11:57] <brousch> perhaps
[11:57] <brousch> but there was only 1 unity user out of the 15 people
[11:58] <rick_h_> ouch
[11:58] <brousch> right
[11:58] <brousch> although a few others said their wives were using it
[11:58] <brousch> so apparently unity is the pinterest of window managers
[12:04] <shakes808> Good morning
[12:04] <shakes808> what release party?
[12:04] <brousch> shakes808: west MI
[12:04] <rick_h_> brousch: is a west sider, so they have their parties separately from us
[12:04] <brousch> east siders are to rowdy for us
[12:05] <rick_h_> hah
[12:06] <shakes808> HA
[12:06] <shakes808> Should take you to Harpos for some good times :)
[12:08] <brousch> is that a biker bar?
[12:17] <rick_h_> here you go jrwren http://goo.gl/fWcjW
[12:18] <brousch> i upgrade my wifi when my internet connection becomes faster than the wifi
[12:18] <rick_h_> meh, what about those network backups you're of course doing to make sure you're data is safe?
[12:19] <shakes808> http://www.harposconcerttheatre.com/
[12:19] <snap-l> g'morning
[12:20] <shakes808> morning
[12:21] <snap-l> brousch: Harpos is a metal bar on the east side
[12:21] <rick_h_> gotta love prepping a talk, last night heading to bed and realized I've got a whole topic to cover I forgot
[12:21] <snap-l> Though they tend lately to have more hair metal
[12:21] <brousch> rick_h_: wired
[12:22] <brousch> actually i don't have an onsite backup at home right now. dropbox and crashplan
[12:24] <snap-l> Whew, Spike The Tomb is actually CC-licensed.
[12:24] <snap-l> Their singer set up the Bandcamp site, and didn't tell the rest of the band
[12:24] <brousch> heh
[12:49] <shakes808> http://www.stubhub.com/rammstein-tickets/rammstein-auburn-hills-palace-of-auburn-hills-5-6-2012-2795154/
[12:49] <shakes808> Rammstein is coming :(
[12:49] <shakes808> :D Anyone want to donate some monies to me to go to the show?!!!!
[12:51] <shakes808> I am going to assume that the silence is a negative on that lol
[12:51] <snap-l> Already spent way too much on Rush tickets
[12:51] <shakes808> lol
[12:51] <shakes808> Understandable
[12:51] <shakes808> :D
[12:51] <shakes808> Geddy is an amazing bassist
[12:51] <shakes808> Neil is an amazing Drummer
[12:52] <shakes808> Acceptable ;)
[12:58] <shakes808> in this chat window, why do peoples colors change and why are their colors?
[12:59] <rick_h_> so not sure on why they change. The only coloring I tend to get is when someone mentions your name it lights up
[12:59] <rick_h_> so if I say shakes808 then it should 'highlight'
[13:00] <shakes808> yeah, your color went from blood red to bright red
[13:00] <shakes808> and brousch and snap-l are green
[13:00] <rick_h_> well they're nice, I'm evil
[13:00] <rick_h_> sounds about right to me
[13:00] <shakes808> HA HA
[13:00] <brousch> shakes808: what client are you using?
[13:00] <shakes808> what? Heaven doesn't want you and Hell is afraid you will take over?
[13:01] <brousch> in pidgin it asigns a random color to a person, but when my name is mentioned it makes that name bold and gold
[13:01] <shakes808> brousch: through the ubuntu teams site
[13:01] <shakes808> How do I get this in Pidgin?
[13:02] <brousch> Accounts -> Manage Accounts -> Add -> Protocol: IRC -> Username: shakes808
[13:03] <shakes808> ok
[13:03] <shakes808> server is  irc.freenode.net
[13:04] <brousch> Then when that's done, Buddies -> Add Chat -> Account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-> Channel: #ubuntu-us-mi -> Group: Channels -> Autojoin: yes
[13:04] <shakes808> is this correct?
[13:04] <brousch> yeah, irc.freenode.net or irc.ubuntu.com
[13:04] <brousch> they're on the freenode network so either one works
[13:05] <shakes808> I don't have Group: Channels
[13:05] <shakes808> only groups are the ones that I set up in Pidgin
[13:05] <brousch> Make it
[13:05] <shakes808> alright
[13:05] <shakes808> was just asking if I should
[13:05] <brousch> name it whatever you want
[13:06] <shakes8081> Hello?
[13:06] <brousch> yo
[13:06] <snap-l> It's like you're a new person
[13:06] <shakes8081> :D I got it up
[13:06] <shakes8081> Thank you
[13:06] <shakes8081> :D
[13:06] <brousch> interesting hostname
[13:06] <shakes8081> lol
[13:06] <shakes8081> Auto did it since I was logged in both
[13:06] <shakes8081> lol
[13:07] <shakes8081> test
[13:07] <shakes8081> nope
[13:07] <shakes8081> lol
[13:07] <brousch> icles
[13:07] <shakes8081> going to reconnect brb
[13:08] <shakes8081> :D
[13:08] <shakes8081> still 1?
[13:08] <shakes8081> huh
[13:08] <snap-l> "On FedEx vehicle for delivery"
[13:08] <snap-l> A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[13:08] <rick_h_> snap-l: woot! now will fedex arrive before you have to leave for PC?
[13:08] <brousch> shakes8081 you need to logout of the first account
[13:08] <brousch> the one through the teams page
[13:08] <rick_h_> plus you know it's going to need a solid 8hr charge before you can use it
[13:08] <shakes8081> That window is gone
[13:09] <brousch> it must take a while to boot you out then
[13:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yes yes, I know. DOn't remind me.
[13:10] <shakes8081> oh well :D maybe when I log in again Monday, it will change. If not I will reset it up without being in the chat
[13:10] <shakes8081> lol
[13:10] <snap-l> rick_h_: Stop harshing my buzz. :)
[13:10] <shakes8081> snap-l: what did you get?
[13:10] <snap-l> (even though I do it to you whenever you get ap phone)
[13:10] <snap-l> shakes8081: Samsung Galaxy S II via Ting.com
[13:11] <snap-l> Ordered it at the beginning of the month, and have waited for the backorder to be fulfilled.
[13:13] <snap-l> http://ting.com/twig <- Used that for a discount
[13:13] <shakes8081> ting is a phone service?
[13:13] <snap-l> It's a reseller of Sprint
[13:13] <shakes8081> like verizon / att / sprint / metro PCS
[13:13] <shakes8081> ....
[13:13] <snap-l> idea is to pay for what you use in tiers
[13:13] <shakes8081> but sprint sucks
[13:13] <shakes8081> lol
[13:13] <shakes8081> I have sprint
[13:13] <snap-l> shakes8081: Well, we'll see
[13:13] <shakes8081> their service sucks
[13:14] <snap-l> I use the phone mostly at home / work anyway, so what I'm really looking for is a modicum of mobile bandwidth
[13:14] <snap-l> and it's month-to-month, so if it really sucks, I figure out something else.
[13:17] <jrwren> rick_h_: thanks for the gigabit wifi link :)  I'll beleive when I see it, for now, I love my gigabit wired :)
[13:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I worry that it's only a single device with talk of shaping wifi signals and using multiple bands to get it
[13:20] <rick_h_> so next to impossible to get in real use, but cool none the less
[13:24] <brousch> shakes8081: if you disconnect and try it now your name will be correct. i saw your other account disconnect
[13:25] <jrwren> rick_h_: what does your tweet mean that you are allowed to review my codes?
[13:25] <rick_h_> jrwren: I passed code review mentorship in LP
[13:25] <rick_h_> so my code reviews don't have to be dbl checked/reviewed by my mentor any more and I've got my own code review day
[13:26] <jrwren> sounds like you do the process a lot different than we do.
[13:27] <rick_h_> probably, we have a day where you're OCR (on call reviewer) and any merge proposals have to be reviewed before they can land in devel and to buildbot
[13:27] <shakes8081> test
[13:27] <rick_h_> pong
[13:27] <shakes8081> huh
[13:27] <rick_h_> shakes8081:
[13:28] <shakes8081> still has the one
[13:28] <rick_h_> https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewerSchedule jrwren
[13:28] <shakes8081> I will delete and remake it brb
[13:29] <shakes8081> Test
[13:29] <shakes8081> :(
[13:29] <rick_h_> test result
[13:29] <shakes8081> result = :(
[13:29] <rick_h_> what isn't working?
[13:29] <jrwren> rick_h_: that is an interesting process.
[13:29] <jrwren> but doesn't it suck the day you are an OCR?
[13:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: it can, I did nothing but reviedws yesterday
[13:30] <jrwren> rick_h_: :(
[13:31] <shakes808> Test
[13:31] <shakes808> YAY
[13:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: love that rails twitter post
[13:34] <jrwren> rick_h_: i loled :)
[13:55] <brousch> sheat. momogr has asked me to fill in for a panelist at their next event http://www.meetup.com/MoMoGR/events/57263152/
[13:56] <rick_h_> a web meets mobile event sponsored by RIM?
[13:56] <brousch> they want me give my responsive design talk from grwebdev to a room full of non-programmers
[13:56] <rick_h_> umm, interesting
[13:56] <rick_h_> hah, nice
[13:56] <brousch> but none of the organizers saw my talk
[13:57] <brousch> it is 75% doing view source on html and css
[13:57] <brousch> extolling the cleanness of semantic.gs compared to typical css grid frameworks
[13:58] <brousch> so it comes down to can i BS about responsive web design for 10 minutes without embarrasing myself?
[13:58] <brousch> having made only a single responsive website
[14:00] <brousch> also, can i successfully stifle snickers every time they mention RIM or the playbook?
[14:00] <brousch> i failed at that when giving announcements at grwebdev
[14:06] <jrwren> wtf is responsive design?
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> make page smaller, it adjusts to mobile-friendly design
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> wayne.edu. Resize broswer to make it really narrow.
[14:08] <brousch> wayne.edu does not respond well ;)
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> not working?
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> I don't remember the size limit, looking
[14:09] <brousch> under 930px it does nothing
[14:09] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/DrItharat/index.html
[14:09] <brousch> that was what i used in my talk. looks good from 1080p to 320x480
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> 930px? I mean, make it about phone-width.
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> heh, yeah, it's not *as* responsive as that
[14:10] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: but at 930px the content gets cut off
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, it's only when it gets very narrow that it does anything
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't make it. ;)
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> (it'd be worse if I did)
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> just one I knew offhand that was "responsive"
[14:11] <brousch> so it's broken from 500 - 930px
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and inform them :P
[14:11] <brousch> fix it :P
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> AIN'T MY SITE OMG
[14:12] <brousch> i blame you for referring me to it
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> >:-|
[14:12] <brousch> thanks, i needed a laugh this morning
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> >:-|
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> "Your site is pathetic, laughing at it cheered me up"
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> "You may go now"
[14:13] <brousch> not the site, the conversation
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> "Your conversation is pathetic, laughing at it cheered me up"
[14:13] <brousch> crap. momogr says they want a technical talk. i think i'm in
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> ...momogr?
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> idk wat that iz
[14:14] <brousch> the group asking me to speak/panelize
[14:14] <brousch> mobile monday grand rapids. you have one in detroit
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> ah, thought it was some text-speak for "manager" of some kind
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, wearing the shirt from OneDevDay right now,actually, heh
[14:15] <brousch> and ann arbor
[14:15] <brousch> http://mobilemondaydetroit.org/
[14:15] <brousch> much more business people than i usually deal with
[14:16] <jrwren> so responsive design = media queries.
[14:16] <brousch> targets IT managers more than developers
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: yeah, basically
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> just "if it's small use this smallshit.css file"
[14:16] <brousch> and feature detection (modernizr)
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> I have a problem. I'm kind of sick. Sneezing a bit, nose is runny, and a little cough from that. Nothing severe, but it's there.
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> and Penguicon is this weekend.
[14:18] <brousch> jrwren: basically it is making your web site work on any size screen on any (smart) device without resorting to a different version of the site
[14:19] <brousch> your typical 960px static grid site doesn't scale up or down well
[14:19] <ColonelPanic001> except for wayne.edu
[14:19] <brousch> so you can make a large format version, a laptop version, a ipad version, a iphone version, an android version ....
[14:20] <brousch> or you can use responsive design techniques to have one flexible site adjust for all sizes
[14:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: it's using css media queries basically
[14:27] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: the answer is to go to the store, drink down two containers of nyquil, and get ready to come to my talk tomorrow
[14:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: https://bmark.us/recent and then shrink your browser around 700px wide
[14:28]  * rick_h_ is a bit ashamed, need to fix that up still
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> I have permission from rick_h_ to go to Pcon despite ilnnes
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> I'm there
[14:29] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: only after you've drugged yourself thoroughly today/tonight
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm already on dayquil ;)
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not really that bad
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> just sniffly, occasional nose-blowing
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> working from home ruined my sense of social mores with that
[14:30] <ColonelPanic001> because the slightest sniffle, I'd just stay around home, it was no big deal. I mostly was a hermit anyway
[14:30] <ColonelPanic001> I no longer know what's "normal" for being sick in public
[14:30] <rick_h_> if you get me sick...there will be trouble. That's the norm
[14:31]  * ColonelPanic001 hides
[14:35] <jrwren> rick_h_: yeah, that is what I said :)  "10:16    jrwren| so responsive design = media queries."
[14:36] <jrwren> spread your illness at penguicon !
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> I think I may have convinced a coworker to go, too
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[14:42] <rick_h_> jrwren: ah sorry, what I get for scrollback skimming
[14:53] <jrwren> i do that all the time :)  scrollback skimming ftw!
[16:03] <shakes808> rick_h_ or snap-l: When I talked to John yesterday he mentioned the bpython stuff. In my finding it is supposed to be already with Ubuntu. How do I use/activate it?
[16:04] <rick_h_> it's not, you need to install it
[16:04] <rick_h_> have you installed/setup pip yet?
[16:04] <shakes808> no, what is it?
[16:04] <rick_h_> a way to install python packages from pypi.python.org
[16:04] <shakes808> and on the bpython site it said it was included from 9.10 on
[16:04] <rick_h_> think rubygems, or perl's thing
[16:04] <rick_h_> apt-cache search bpython
[16:04] <shakes808> never worked with ruby or perl, but I think i get it
[16:05] <rick_h_> so yea, there are debian packages for bpython
[16:05] <rick_h_> guess you can start there by installing it there
[16:05] <shakes808> Alright, I will when I have my laptop with me
[16:05] <rick_h_> http://guide.python-distribute.org/installation.html
[16:06] <rick_h_> and
[16:06] <shakes808> so, sudo apt-cache search bpython
[16:06] <rick_h_> http://pypi.python.org/pypi
[16:06] <rick_h_> you can apt-cache search without sudo
[16:06] <rick_h_> but then you'll need sudo to install
[16:06] <shakes808> alright
[16:06] <shakes808> cool
[16:06] <shakes808> ty
[16:06] <rick_h_> sudo apt-get install bpython, bpython3 maybe...not sure which one you want to be honest
[16:07] <shakes808>  is there doc with the diffs?
[16:07] <rick_h_> apt-cache show bpython
[16:07] <rick_h_> run that for each package
[16:08] <shakes808> ok
[16:08] <shakes808> so search and then show and it will let me know what is there and description for them
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea, you can see the package details with apt-cache show
[16:09] <shakes808> cooll
[16:10] <shakes808> ty
[17:26] <rick_h_> woot http://travis-ci.org/#!/mitechie/bookie_parser
[17:39] <brousch> what is that?
[17:41] <rick_h_> travisci running unit tests for the readable.bmark.us app
[17:41] <brousch> thank you mr obvious
[17:42] <rick_h_> ok, well rephrase your question in some way I can tell which part you're unsure of :P
[17:42] <brousch> too late. i already googled it
[17:42] <rick_h_> ok, works for me :)
[17:42] <brousch> Travis CI A hosted continuous integration service for the open source community.
[17:42] <rick_h_> yep
[17:43] <rick_h_> been all over the place the last several months
[17:57] <brousch> jrwren: http://bradfrostweb.com/blog/web/responsive-web-design-missing-the-point/
[18:01] <snap-l> Yay, phone showed up
[18:12] <rick_h_> snap-l: awesome, congrats!
[18:14] <shakes808> snap-l: what phone did  you get?
[18:52] <jcastro> anyone not doing anything I could use some editing/fixing up help on askubuntu
[18:53] <jcastro> it's friday now ... SO IT IS ON
[18:55] <rick_h_> sorry call in 5min and then off to penguicon to prep for my talk
[19:07] <brousch> I'm too busy creating new, mistake-filled, badly-worded questions to help clean up old ones
[20:26] <shakes808> have a good weekend all.
[20:27] <greg-g> jcastro: some days, I wish I could
[20:29] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3900224
[20:29] <jcastro> this is awesome
[20:30] <greg-g> little bobby tables
[22:22] <ColonelPanic002> i have arrived at penguicon to spread disease and sickness.
[22:22] <ColonelPanic002> i even came to rick's talk to spread it here, since he gave me permission to go.
[22:23] <ColonelPanic002> that'll teach him.


[05:50] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[08:45] <bambee> morning
[08:57] <c2tarun> bambee: morning :)
[08:58] <jussi> Huomenta
[08:58] <c2tarun> hey do anyone know any channel on IRC for java programming?
[08:59] <bambee> c2tarun: your package is finished finally ? :)
[08:59] <c2tarun> bambee: which one? Qtiplot is still getting errors :( many others are finished :)
[09:01] <bambee> your last one... when there was an error for usr/share/icons/oxygen/*
[09:01] <c2tarun> bambee: yup that was fixed :)
[09:02] <bambee> great :)
[10:34] <c2tarun> can anyone help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/8200/
[10:41] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: adddialog.h:17:17: fatal error: QList: No such file or directory
[10:42] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: take a minute and think what that error means
[10:42] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: oh, I created  a patch that is adding QList in adddialog.cpp not .h :( sorry
[10:44] <shadeslayer> yes
[10:44] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:45] <shadeslayer> well i think you forgot to build dep on libqt4-dev
[10:49] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: still getting same error, here is my patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/586101/ , what do you mean by forgot to build dep on libqt4-dev? :/ not gettting
[10:49] <bambee> shadeslayer: it's not qt3 ?
[10:50] <shadeslayer> bambee: sorry ... i don't follow
[10:50] <shadeslayer> bambee: cdcat is Qt3 ?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> or QList?
[10:51] <bambee> cdcat does not use qt3 ?
[10:52] <bambee> there is a "-I/usr/include/qt3" line 20
[10:53] <shadeslayer> hmm .. intersting
[10:53] <shadeslayer> *interesting
[10:54] <shadeslayer> possibly he needs something like Q3List ?
[10:54] <c2tarun> what are you guys talking :( can you pick me up
[10:54] <bambee> and If I install libqt3-headers (and libqt3-mt-dev etc...) I don't find any QList under /usr/include/qt3 ...
[10:54] <bambee> shadeslayer: I don't know
[10:54] <shadeslayer> bambee: i don't see Q3List anywhere as well
[10:55] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: your package is trying to search for Qt3 headers
[10:55] <shadeslayer> and fails to find them
[10:55] <bambee> exactly
[10:55] <c2tarun> hmmm... qt3 doesnt support QList http://doc.qt.nokia.com/3.0/classes.html
[10:56] <c2tarun> what should I include then?
[10:58] <debfx> c2tarun: qt3 has QMemArray instead of QList
[10:59] <shadeslayer> debfx: Qt3 has some scary classes
[11:00] <bambee> shadeslayer: apparently Q3List does not exist
[11:00] <shadeslayer> bambee: yeah
[11:00] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: this line QList<QPixmap> anim_list; in header file is causing problem
[11:01] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: use QMemArray as debfx said
[11:01] <debfx> or maybe QValueList
[11:06] <c2tarun> debfx: which one? QValueList or QMemArray?
[11:06] <bambee> QValueList seems better it has almost the same API :)
[11:06] <c2tarun> sure :)
[11:07] <bambee> (I am talking about class API)
[11:15] <c2tarun> sorry the error is becaue in the source code somehow there is a line #include<QList> is causing problem.
[11:15] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: debfx^
[11:30] <bambee> c2tarun: QList does not exist in qt3 that's why we was talking about qvaluelist
[11:31] <c2tarun> bambee: I tried including QValueList and removing QList still same error
[11:33] <bambee> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/3.3/qvaluelist.html <-- include qvaluelist.h instead
[11:36] <c2tarun> bambee: new error :( adddialog.h:20:24: fatal error: Q3GridLayout: No such file or directory
[11:46] <c2tarun> bambee: its impossible to fix that package :( I changed approx 10 header files in adddialog.h and now its another file giving same errors :(
[12:01] <Quintasan> bambee, shadeslayer: know some regexp magic?
[12:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sure, if you look at rekonq code, half of it is regex
[12:01] <shadeslayer> the other half is pure magic
[12:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I have [sdadaskjasf]_asdas_asdfgga_asdsad_-_asd_[something]
[12:02] <shadeslayer> uh okay
[12:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I want to remove the first [] and replace _ with spaces
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: bash or Qt?
[12:13] <Quintasan> hmmm
[12:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: bash?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: brr ... no idea
[12:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: poke
[12:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: is there *any* way to go back to ld? and link without gold
[12:47] <tazz> Quintasan, you want to replace all the _ with spaces  right
[12:47] <tazz> ?
[12:47] <tazz> Quintasan, also do you want to replace the 1st  [ ] with spaces too ?
[12:50] <tazz> if you i am doing this, put your text in a file called test and run this "cat test | sed -e 's/\_/\ /g' | sed -e 's/\[/\ /' | sed -e 's/\]/\ /' "
[12:51] <tazz> there must be some easer way to do this, but seems to be the quickest.
[13:26] <bambee> c2tarun: where I can find the source ? (just to check something)
[13:28] <c2tarun> bambee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/cdcat?content=10438
[13:28] <bambee> thanks
[13:34] <bambee> c2tarun: it uses qt3support (from qt4) and not qt3 :)
[13:34] <bambee> unpack it locally, then cd src && qmake
[13:34] <bambee> (with qmake-qt4)
[13:34] <bambee> then just type make => it builds just fine here
[13:36] <bambee> it seems to use qt3support, qtcore, qtgui and qtxml
[13:37] <bambee> shadeslayer: could you confirm ? I am not the best one to talk about qmake :)
[13:37] <shadeslayer> heh .. me neither ... i sorely hate qmake
[13:37] <bambee> arrf
[13:38] <shadeslayer> also busy with some GSoC stuff right now
[13:38] <shadeslayer> need to fix this today
[13:38] <bambee> np
[13:48] <c2tarun> whats GSoc
[13:49] <c2tarun> bambee: you taking that package?
[13:49] <bambee> nop it's your
[13:50] <bambee> I am just looking at it to see the issue
[13:52] <c2tarun> bambee: If you find a way to fix it, please tell me, I am waiting
[13:53] <bambee> c2tarun: see above, as I said it uses qt3support from qt4 and not libqt3
[13:55] <bambee> unpack it locally in your home
[13:56] <c2tarun> what do you mean by qt3support?
[13:56] <c2tarun> I am not getting :(
[13:58] <bambee> c2tarun: I mean libqt4-qt3support
[13:58] <c2tarun> bambee: is there any documentation for that?
[14:00] <bambee> c2tarun: cdcat already uses libqt4-qt3support, there is nothing to change
[14:00] <bambee> c2tarun: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/586139/
[14:01] <c2tarun> bambee: if there is nothing to change then why its not building?
[14:02] <bambee> because apparently your build uses libqt3 and not libqt4-qt3support
[14:02] <bambee> http://paste.kde.org/8200/ <--- see line 20
[14:05] <bambee> you build uses libqt3 and looks in /usr/include/qt3  (line 20) for headers => which fails because cdcat depends on libqt4-qt3support and not libqt3
[14:06] <bambee> c2tarun: you probably made a mistake in your build dependencies
[14:06] <c2tarun> bambee: well, may be should I show you my control file?
[14:07] <bambee> with my above comments try to find the solution and if you don't show me the control file
[14:14] <bambee> c2tarun: qt3support is a qt4 module :)
[14:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[14:48] <bambee> c2tarun: show me your debian/control
[14:49] <c2tarun> bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/586150/
[14:50] <bambee> as I said earlier cdcat uses only Qt4, so what's the problem line 5 ?
[14:51] <c2tarun> bambee: so It should be qt4-dev-tools?
[14:55] <tsimpson> c2tarun: libqt4-dev rather than libqt3-mt-dev, and you can probably just drop qt3-dev-tools
[14:55] <tsimpson> dev-tools is more for developing an application, not compiling it
[14:59] <tsimpson> oh, and change the description
[14:59] <tsimpson> Linux doen't have a concept of "drives" being different from directories
[15:22] <c2tarun> tsimpson: ping
[15:22] <tsimpson> c2tarun: pong
[15:22] <c2tarun> tsimpson: can you please help me with this error.
[15:22] <c2tarun> http://paste.kde.org/8239/
[15:24] <tsimpson> does qtiplot-<IP_ADDRESS>/manual/manual.pro exist in the source?
[15:24] <c2tarun> tsimpson: nope
[15:25] <tsimpson> then I guess you need to file a bug
[15:25] <c2tarun> ok.
[15:27] <c2tarun> tsimpson: where should I file a bug? on LP or on kde-apps.org?
[15:28] <tsimpson> where ever you got the app from
[15:28] <tsimpson> if it's from kde-apps.org, add a comment or try to contact the author
[15:28] <c2tarun> ok
[15:29] <tsimpson> or see if they have a project website with a bugtracker, some host bugtrackers on sourceforge for instance
[15:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: I don't know gcc that well I fear
[15:33] <bambee> there is no group for amarok on reviewboard ? o_O
[15:38] <tsimpson> yofel, shadeslayer: "-fuse-ld=bfd" (I think)
[16:14] <bambee> Can I work on phonon 4.5.0  packaging ? Does a core dev prefer do it himself ? (phonon is an important part of kde that's why I prefer ask)
[16:14] <Riddell> bambee: yes please do
[16:14] <bambee> Riddell: ok :)
[16:15] <bambee> hello by the way ;)
[16:15] <Riddell> good afternoon
[16:22] <c2tarun> Riddell: good after noon :)
[16:22] <c2tarun> thanks for your ec2 I used it for two days. :)
[16:22] <Riddell> thanks canonical :)
[16:24] <c2tarun> Riddell: some universe application of kde have new version available. I packed few of them and uploaded to my ppa, can you please take a look https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun/+archive/new-versions
[16:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: except kipiplugins cb2bib and libktorrent all are new. + regarding newer version of ktorrent, debian released an experimental version I build it on that ec2 and its working fine.
[16:27] <Riddell> c2tarun: we're in feature freeze so the first question is which of these are bugfix releases and which have new features
[16:29] <c2tarun> Riddell: I guess all of them, (if trust the changelogs on kde-apps, + all of them are from universe so I think they can be exception of feature freeze
[16:34] <Riddell> c2tarun: you would have to ask for each exception separately
[16:34] <c2tarun> oh...
[16:34] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:35] <Riddell> or we can just put them in a kubuntu ppa and include them after the natty release
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you choose in which data center these ec2 machines are started?
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[16:36] <shadeslayer> kewl
[16:36] <Riddell> do you care about he data centre?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:36] <Riddell> why?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: reduced ping times are always better
[16:37] <shadeslayer> so if you start a machine in tokyo, latency would be less for me and c2tarun
[16:37] <Riddell> mm, right
[16:37] <shadeslayer> but then again
[16:37] <shadeslayer> routing is completely shot in india
[16:37] <shadeslayer> so i can't be sure
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'll do a QuickAccess release this week with the fixes accumulated in the 0.8.x branch. (Small icon fix and one or two minor things) I don't plan to do other fixes unless they're major.
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: check out my gameboy emulator: http://i.imgur.com/eqHEU.png
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> QPainter can do smoothing for larger sizes: http://i.imgur.com/ACprw.png
[18:20] <bambee> In a case like that, I have to use the upstream rules ? http://gitorious.org/kde-zeitgeist/libqzeitgeist/trees/master/debian  (required by phonon)
[18:24] <Riddell> bambee: I don't follow
[18:24] <Riddell> we should use the Debian packaging unless there's a very good reason not to
[18:36] <Riddell> bambee: oh, it has an upstream as in KDE packaging
[18:36] <Riddell> is that in the released tar?
[18:37] <Riddell> maybe seiflotfy_ knows why
[18:37] <seiflotfy_> huh
[18:37] <seiflotfy_> Riddell, what?
[18:37] <Riddell> usually I'd remove any upstream debian/ packaging from upstream tars
[18:37] <Riddell> 18:20 < bambee> In a case like that, I have to use the upstream rules ? http://gitorious.org/kde-zeitgeist/libqzeitgeist/trees/master/debian  (required by phonon)
[18:37] <bambee> Riddell: there is no released tar yet
[18:37] <seiflotfy_> no idea
[18:37] <Riddell> bambee: so Phonon made a release which depends on a dependency which hasn't been released?
[18:38] <bambee> the only things I found about that is this link and ML archives...
[18:38] <bambee> it's strange
[18:39] <Riddell> seiflotfy_: do you know anything about a libqzeitgeist release or are you not involved in that?
[18:39] <bambee> I found any tarball nor git tags
[18:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you releasing software that depends on unreleased software?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[18:42] <bambee> apachelogger: feel free to blame me If I am wrong...
[18:45] <seiflotfy_> Riddell, there is a release
[18:45] <seiflotfy_> but it was never packaged
[18:45] <seiflotfy_> :/
[18:45] <Riddell> seiflotfy_: where can we find it?
[18:46] <bambee> seiflotfy_: where ?
[18:46] <seiflotfy_> its not in launchpad
[18:46] <seiflotfy_> getting it for you
[18:47] <seiflotfy_> this is the git stuff
[18:47] <seiflotfy_> http://gitorious.org/kde-zeitgeist/libqzeitgeist
[18:47] <seiflotfy_> and the tarball is
[18:47] <seiflotfy_> http://www.gitorious.org/kde-zeitgeist/libqzeitgeist/archive-tarball/master
[18:48] <bambee> seiflotfy_: as I said it's a snapshot
[18:49] <seiflotfy_> on it
[18:49] <seiflotfy_> just pinged the guys
[18:56] <bambee> Riddell: I sent an email to the main dev
[19:22] <c2tarun> need a little bit help with qt code, can anyone please, I asked on qt but no one is there.
[19:22] <c2tarun> s/qt/#qt
[19:26] <c2tarun> no one is here too :(
[19:27] <afiestas> Riddell: finally registered for uds sponsorship
[19:28] <afiestas> I had a problem because I though I changed my email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but it seems that ubuntu single sign on system is still using my old address
[21:27] <afiestas> Riddell: ping
[21:31] <Riddell> hi afiestas
[21:32] <afiestas> Riddell: obex-data-server should be updated to the last trunk version it not it will crash when trying to get a "shared file"
[21:32] <afiestas> what should  I do?
[21:34] <afiestas> the obex-data-server told me that he was going to release a new  patch version but tha day never came :/
[21:34] <Riddell> afiestas: does it contain new features?
[21:35] <afiestas> nope
[21:35] <afiestas> just 1 security fix, and a crash fix afaik
[21:35] <Riddell> hassle us until we package it then
[21:35] <Riddell> bambee might be looking for something to do while he waits for the zeitgeist people to get themselves sorted
[21:36] <seiflotfy_> Riddell, and bambee ping jpwhiting on #zeitgeist
[21:36] <seiflotfy_> he is the maintainer
[21:37] <afiestas> oks, I will check the diff between the last version and trunk, to be sure that no new features has been added
[21:40] <bambee> Riddell: I am busy right now, but I can add it to my todolist :)
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> I did a few improvements to the upstream packaging of zeitgeist
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> should be ready to go with the exception of no debian/copyright
[21:45] <bambee> Riddell: an official release is on the way, a dev will ping us (here or by email) and the release will be available
[21:45] <bambee> s/and/when/
[21:45] <kubotu> bambee meant: "Riddell: an official release is on the way, a dev will ping us (here or by email) when the release will be available"
[21:45] <Riddell> bambee: could you ask then to remove the debian/ directory from the release, it just gets in the way
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt/+files/libqzeitgeist_0.1.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[21:46] <Riddell> of course we can steal it back to do the actual packaging
[21:47] <bambee> done
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> ^includes a patch needed for properly-versioned libraries, though upstream trunk seems to have changed the build system so it may not be necessary next release
[21:47] <bambee> Riddell: also qzeitgeist has an unversioned soname
[22:07] <claydoh> is there a channel or list for kubuntu-mobile at all? I don't seem to see any
[22:08] <ScottK> claydoh: It's cleverly hidden as #kubuntu-mobile.
[22:08] <afiestas> Riddell: no new features from 0.4.5 and trunk but a lot of bug fixing
[22:08] <afiestas> as you can see, the maintainer wants to make a release, but he hasn't http://bugs.muiline.com/view.php?id=584
[22:08] <afiestas> (I'm husselng as you said :p)
[22:10] <claydoh> ScottK: lol, searching  shows up nothing :), I'd blame quassel, but I know better :) thanks
[22:54] <seiflotfy_> JontheEchidna, we have RainCT who is a debian dev and our packager
[22:58] <ScottK> seiflotfy_: Also formerly very active in Ubuntu.  Not sure how much he knows about Qt stuff though.
[22:59] <seiflotfy_> not much
[22:59] <seiflotfy_> :)


[14:18] <cjwatson> Apologies for the git disruption there.  Hopefully things will be a bit smoother now
[17:39] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/534741323/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.prusa-slicer_2.3.1-0pmjdebruijn1~20.04_BUILDING.txt.gz am I reading that right, that my package build failed because of a lack of diskspace?
[17:41] <pmjdebruijn> a local builddir does end up taking ~14GB
[17:47] <pappacena> pmjdebruijn If I'm not wrong, the builders are provisioned with 30gb disks. Are you sure it doesn't use more than 14GB at any given time during the build?
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> not sure
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> but presumably on those 30GB disks, part of that is taken with the build environment
[18:01] <pappacena> Yes, for sure. BTW, did you try to build again? I'm not seeing explicit disk space errors during the build process.
[18:01] <pmjdebruijn> I have enabled the debug symbols, which in local builds results in a 300MB ddeb
[18:02] <pmjdebruijn> I can ask to rebuild, np
[18:02] <pmjdebruijn> so let's wait and see
[18:05] <pappacena> It seems to be failing for some other reason, not disk space. The only place where "disk space" is mentioned is the final summary...
[18:53] <cjwatson> They're 60GB disks
[18:54] <cjwatson> And agreed, disk space is not the problem here
[18:55] <cjwatson> It's just absurdly buried in a gigantic log
[18:55] <cjwatson> But if you search for the *first* occurrence of "Error 2" (matching the final error code from make) then you'll find it
[18:55] <cjwatson> virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory
[18:55] <cjwatson> make[3]: *** [tests/libslic3r/CMakeFiles/libslic3r_tests.dir/build.make:261: tests/libslic3r/CMakeFiles/libslic3r_tests.dir/test_voronoi.cpp.o] Error 1
[18:56] <cjwatson> So single absurdly large translation unit I guess
[18:56] <cjwatson> Maybe try a lower optimization level at least for that file
[18:57] <cjwatson> I shouldn't think tests critically need to be built with -O3, so that might help.  Or there are typically various other approaches to make compilers use less memory
[19:16] <sarnold> I saw discussion recently about some projects trying to bundle multiple source files into a single translation unit for some reason, and this causinga  huge amount of memory use


[21:47] <Laney> please be aware that the mono transition needs help, cf <1308878833.2523.21.camel@desire>
[21:48] <Laney> not asking you to do anything, just to be aware that it is ongoing and proceeding slower than we'd like


[04:19]  * Hobbsee waves
[04:25] <persia> Hey Hobbsee
[13:35] <ian_brasil> hi, is 8.10 an official release of mid and mobile or will that be with 9.04?
[13:36] <persia> ian_brasil, I think it's best to say it's an official release of MID, and a preview release of UMPC.
[13:36] <persia> 9.04 should be an official release of both, unless something changes.
[13:37] <ian_brasil> persia: thx ..is this on a wiki somewhere?
[13:38] <ian_brasil> if not maybe it should be?
[13:38] <persia> It probably should be.
[13:39]  * persia has been intending to update the Mobile FAQ for a couple days, and keeps getting distracted
[14:50] <thebishop> hey, i'm really interested in the MID formfactor, but the only one coming soon is the Gigabyte M528, and that one has some problems.  Have others been announced?
[14:55] <persia> There's the Sharp D4.  The Aigo MID.  There's probably some others.  I haven't heard of any that made everyone happy yet.
[14:56] <persia> I think it's still an evolving segment.  Manufacturers are trying different designs trying to find the right combination of size, pixel density, weight, storage, and poser.
[14:56] <persia> s/poser/power/
[14:56] <thebishop> persia, well, the M528 is the Aigo with a different logo
[14:57] <thebishop> the Sharp is a little pricey :(
[14:57] <thebishop> and big
[14:57] <persia> Yeah.  There's three or four like that.
[14:57] <persia> The Sharp is a little bigger, but has 10x the hard drive and 3x the pixel density.
[14:57] <thebishop> it looks good, except the storage is a disappointing
[14:57] <persia> (but yes, it's a bit pricey)
[14:58] <thebishop> i'm not sure I can justify more than $700
[14:58] <thebishop> what i really want is an iPhone that runs linux and is open to user modification
[14:58] <thebishop> heh, small thing, i know
[14:59] <thebishop> I like this formfactor though, I hope we see a lot of competition in 2009
[15:01] <persia> My problems with the iPhone are 1) not enough storage (I'd prefer the iPod classic HD), 2) poor input support (I like keyboards), and 3) low resolution.  Other than that, they look lovely (oh, and yes, they should run Ubuntu).
[15:02] <thebishop> persia, yeah, i agree with you on the storage.  i want 64GB at least
[15:03] <thebishop> but hoping for a hard drive is starting to feel quaint next year, 64gb will be pretty cheap
[15:03] <persia> Maybe.
[15:04] <thebishop> i wish the iPod Touch had been iPhone-Phone+HDD, i would have one already
[15:04] <thebishop> except, it doesn't work with linux anymore
[15:04] <thebishop> so fuck apple
[15:04] <persia> !ohmy
[15:04] <thebishop> oh sorrty
[15:04] <thebishop> "f" apple
[15:05] <thebishop> the Nokia N810 wouldn't be a bad option if it had a normal SD slot instead of MicroSD...
[15:05] <thebishop> what's the deal with that anyway, it seems like all the new portables are going Micro
[15:45] <lool> You people knew of http://linux.onarm.com/ ?
[15:46] <ogra> yes
[15:47] <ogra> ECHAN btw :)
[15:47] <playya> hi everyone
[15:47] <persia> Hey playya
[15:47] <thebishop> heh
[15:47] <ogra> yo playya
[15:47] <thebishop> lool, so it's just a platform for the N810?
[15:48] <lool> ogra: ECHAN.?
[15:48] <thebishop> it's getting frustrating to see the software advancing so far for hardware that barely exists yet :(
[15:48] <lool> ogra: I did intend to mention it here
[15:48]  * ogra points lool to #ubuntu-arm :)
[15:48] <ogra> ah, well :)
[15:48] <lool> ogra: I need to remember about it
[15:49]  * lool was just thinking that it was cool they use the n810 as a platform :)
[15:49] <ogra> yeah
[15:49] <thebishop> it is cool.  unfortunately, the 810 has some hardware deficiencies :(
[15:50] <ogra> does it ?
[15:50]  * ogra thought its just the n800 with kbd added
[15:50] <playya> and a newer wireless chip
[15:50] <ogra> and a newer cam
[15:50]  * lool teleports to -arm
[15:50] <persia> And still not any storage space
[15:50] <playya> and the latest version has wimax
[15:50] <ogra> persia, two SD slots
[15:51] <persia> So, maybe 32GB, if I stuff it.
[15:51] <ogra> depends what you want to invest
[15:51] <ogra> :)
[15:51] <persia> Are there 32GB SDHC cards?  I didn't see any last week.
[15:52] <ogra> i have heard of 32G SD cards ... (not seen them though)
[15:52] <playya> i herat of 64 GB but >1000€
[15:53] <persia> I could get another device for less than that!
[15:53] <playya> s/herat/heart
[15:53] <persia> Still, I'd rather not have a "phone", a "media player", a "pocket computer", and a laptop.
[15:53] <thebishop> ogra, i thought the 800 has SD slots, but the 810 has micro only
[15:54] <thebishop> if the 810 had SD, i'd use it as my portable media player (and everything else, too)
[15:55] <ogra> whats wrong with micro ?
[15:55] <ogra> you get them at the same sizes as SD (here at least)
[15:55] <ogra> and they usually come with SD adapter by default
[15:57] <persia> I've only seen micro up to 8GB here, but it's about the same price as SD for the same speed and storage.
[15:57] <thebishop> ogra, you can get micro up to 32GB?
[15:57] <persia> Except the micros go on sale more (2GB@980 yen)
[15:57] <ogra> i cant even get SD up to 32
[15:57] <thebishop> 32GB is the barebones minimum fo rme
[15:58] <thebishop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178212
[15:58] <ogra> i get up ot 16G SD here
[15:58] <ogra> i only heard from people having 32G ones
[15:58] <ogra> micro might end at 8 in default shops ... but i guess you can buy them with 16G if you invest enough somewhere
[15:59] <thebishop> i wish hardware manufacturers would stop forcing ever-smaller nand chips on us... at this rate, i'm never going to get the capacity i want
[15:59] <ogra> just lower your expectations :)
[15:59] <ogra> helps a lot :)
[15:59] <thebishop> impossible
[15:59] <thebishop> i have a 30GB music collection, and it's not getting smaller
[16:03] <persia> thebishop, The problem isn't the smaller form-factor, so much.  You should welcome that if you want more storage.  Lots of 4GB micros sold means optimisation of manufacturing, which increases the chance you can get a 128GB SSD for a reasonable price.
[16:11] <thebishop> persia, that's a good point.  on the other hand, i want a moderate amount of storage in a handheld device.  i'm not especially interested in high-capacity SSD for laptops (yet)
[16:11] <thebishop> the usual 2.5" drive seems OK for that at the moment
[16:11] <persia> who said anything about laptops?
[16:12] <thebishop> it seems like the trend among portable hardware manufacturers is 4-8GB in increasingly smaller devices.  no one seems to be pushing for 64GB+
[16:12] <persia> My D4 has 40G.
[16:12] <persia> If I was adventurous, I could probably stick a 60 or 80 in there, but I don7t really want to open it up.
[18:09] <NCommander> hey persia
[18:13] <persia> Hey NCommander
[18:13] <NCommander> persia, so expect for fbreader, I think we got everything that is lpia specific
[18:13] <NCommander> (I'm finishing tsclient)
[18:13] <persia> Cool.  I'll rerun my script tomorrow to double-check.
[18:14] <persia> Thanks a lot for chasing that.  I'm rather curious to know how well it works on the Wii.
[18:14] <ogra> wii ?
[18:14] <persia> ogra, powerpc device from Nintendo.
[18:14] <ogra> i know what a wii is
[18:14] <NCommander> ogra, I have Ubuntu running on mine :-)
[18:14] <ogra> i didnt know anyone runs ubuntu on it
[18:14] <NCommander> I want to see how mid works on it
[18:15]  * ogra never understood the reason to buy an overly expensive game console to not play with it
[18:15] <persia> torcs!
[18:16] <persia> More generally, Ubuntu has a bunch of decent games.
[18:17] <ogra> well, you could just use a PC and get aaway a lot cheaper :)
[18:19] <NCommander> persia, anyway, my branch needs to be merged once I finish tsclient, and then ubuntu-mid regenerated
[18:19] <NCommander> (once we resolve fbreader)
[18:20] <persia> I thought we had determined a solution for fbreader.
[18:20] <persia> To seed the alternate front-end separately to force the choice.
[18:21] <NCommander> I'm just not sure it will work
[18:21]  * NCommander is having issues figuring out germinate
[18:22] <persia> OK.  What about germinate is troublesome?
[18:24] <NCommander> I have no idea how to parse the output :-P
[18:24] <NCommander> I get loads of files, and no idea what they mean
[18:24] <persia> Right.  How are you using it?
[18:26]  * NCommander sighs
[18:27] <NCommander> persia, germinate mid
[18:27] <NCommander> persia, anyway, tsclient's hildon patch is broken
[18:27] <NCommander> autoconf issues
[18:27] <NCommander> \o/
[18:27] <persia> OK.    What are you seeking to accomplish by doing so?
[18:29] <NCommander> I'm trying to get it to spit out the list of packages that it would include ont he CD
[18:30] <persia> I don't think it works quite that way.  I think it generates the list of dependencies.recommendations.
[18:31] <persia> I'd recommend downloading the mobile-meta source, editing update.cfg to point to your repos, and running ./update therein.  That ought give you a working metapackage that you could install.
[18:32] <NCommander> works for me
[18:32] <NCommander> So technically everything is de-hildonified ATM
[18:33] <NCommander> Expect tsclient, evince and ekiga (I think) have broken hildon patches
[18:33] <NCommander> \o/
[18:33] <persia> Doesn't fbreader still need a bit of fiddling with the dependencies?
[18:33] <persia> I think lool said the evince patch was being dropped.
[18:33] <persia> ekiga needs review against ekiga 3.0, as that's on the way: probably worth deferring.
[18:34] <persia> tsclient needs help, presumably.
[18:34] <NCommander> Well, upstream Debian actually has the hildon patch
[18:34] <NCommander> So someone needs to go to pkg-gnome and fix it there
[18:34] <persia> Or we need a different hildonised tool that does a similar thing.
[18:34] <NCommander> Do we have another tool that can connect ot a terminal services client?
[18:35] <NCommander> persia, is there a blueprint of things we want to discuss at UDS about MID/Mobile?
[18:35] <persia> Yes.  vinagre.  rdesktop.
[18:35] <NCommander> I personally would like to see something with VNC
[18:36] <persia> No, there's lots of blueprints.  See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty for the current list of approved stuff (which is expected to grow over the next couple days : there should be ~250 topics for discussion)
[18:37] <persia> Which reminds me.
[18:37] <NCommander> Ooh
[18:37] <NCommander> The mobile seed one reminds me we need to get he xubuntu jaunty seed moved
[18:37] <persia> ian_brasil, Did you register the dogtail spec or the GPS spec yet?
[18:39] <NCommander> persia, should I send an email to the list about my suggestion on dropping treb to a recommends vs. a dependency?
[18:40] <persia> NCommander, Probably.
[18:40] <persia> Or file a bug.
[18:40] <persia> I'd say that those have about even chances of getting in front of the right people to fix it, but that sending it to the list would get feedback from more users.
[18:40] <NCommander> persia, bug against what specifically?
[18:41] <persia> mobile-meta, if you want to change the metapackage.  treb if you want to change treb.
[18:41] <NCommander> well, the ideal fix is to demarry treb and OOo
[18:42] <persia> Well, yes, but that means a reimplementation of treb, which is basically orphaned upstream.
[19:38] <NCommander> persia, ok, so your idea running update didn't quite work
[19:38] <NCommander> persia, since it checks the main archive for packages, and I can't figure out a way to make it check both a PPA and the main archive at the same time :-P
[19:39] <persia> Oh, you've stuff in a PPA?
[19:39] <persia> I know how to make it check a different BZR branch, but I don't know how to make it check a different repo.  I think you'd have to trick debootstrap somehow.
[19:42] <NCommander> persia, :-P
[21:30] <mkrufky> is mike frey around?  i used to know his nick but i dont recall it
[23:39] <NCommander> davidm, ping
[23:40] <davidm> NCommander, hello
[23:40] <NCommander> davidm, how goes your night?
[23:40] <NCommander> (or day, or whenever :)?
[23:40] <davidm> just about to sit down to dinner with my family :-)
[23:41] <NCommander> ah, I can wait until after dinner, ping me when you return
[23:41] <davidm> It's just about 6PM my local time
[23:41] <NCommander> Your in Altantic?
[23:41] <playya> brasil?
[23:41] <ogra> heh
[23:41]  * NCommander needs someone who can rescore builds
[23:41] <ogra> the temperature might be similar
[23:42] <ogra> NCommander, cjwatson might still be up
[23:42] <davidm> Central time USA
[23:42] <ogra> davidm surely cant rescore
[23:42] <davidm> NCommander, I can't rescore builds
[23:42] <NCommander> oh, no, what I pinged you for was completely unrelated
[23:42] <NCommander> That was just a side comment :-)
[23:44] <davidm> Ah, OK later then I'm about to be called to dinner
[23:45] <NCommander> cya :-)
[23:51] <khaeru> 'Ello 'ello?
[23:54] <khaeru> I have been Googling for about an hour trying to figure out if it's possible to switch my Acer Aspire One from the i386 to the lpia kernel, simply by choosing different repositories (e.g. from the UMPC image)
[23:55] <khaeru> Lack of success indicates no, but I would appreciate if someone could confirm that.
[23:55] <ogra> you would need to use the -mid image for installing nd then install the ubuntu-mobile package for the desktop
[23:56] <ogra> the -mid image is the only one using lpia in intrepid
[23:56] <ogra> you cant cross-grade atm
[23:56] <khaeru> OK, thanks for the info.
[23:57] <khaeru> If the UMPC image is still i386, and I have what is technically more of a "UMPC" than an "MID", I guess there wouldn't be much benefit?
[23:58] <ogra> well, UMPC simply uses the ubuntu-mobile metapackge
[23:59] <ogra> the image is built for generic x86 though
[23:59] <ogra> but that doesnt mean you cant install the metapackage in lpia


[00:07] <bluebie> I'm having a really difficult time getting amavis (mail filtering thing) to add spam status headers to incoming mail - though it does add virus checking headers. I've been googling tons and trying everything I can find but nothing seems to change it. Any tips on debugging amavis problems?
[00:07] <bluebie> I can get it to discard or bounce spam, but I just can't get it to tag it.
[00:09] <warzauwynn> bluebie: did you ask in #amavis ?
[00:09] <bluebie> ah I should!
[00:12] <zul> adam_g: just doing a test build of neutron here before doing a merge request
[00:13] <zul> adam_g: i added neutron-vpn-plugin-agent and neutron-metering-plugin-agent
[00:13] <adam_g> k
[01:42] <izanagisan> what deleted files recovery software would you recommend me to use?
[01:43] <izanagisan> on a LiveCD boot I'm on trying to recover files from a mounted disk
[01:47] <sarnold> izanagisan: I've successfully used autopsy / the sleuth kit to recover deleted files.
[01:48] <izanagisan> sarnold: thanks!
[01:49] <sarnold> izanagisan: for ext2-specifically, there are also e2undel recover packages, and for ext3, ext4, extundelete.  magicrescue doesn't mention specific filesystems, it might work for contiguous files regardless of filesystem type, but if the files are broken apart a bit, it might not do as well. depends...
[01:49] <izanagisan> I tried installing foremost but Ubuntu 13.04 doesn't seem to have the package
[01:49] <izanagisan> I'm on a LiveCD so...
[01:50] <sarnold> oh, cool, thanks :)
[01:50] <sarnold> izanagisan: I'd hope you could install any package, to the extent of available memory to hold the data...
[01:53] <izanagisan> sarnold: I'm checking autopsy but it says it's a windows installer
[01:55] <sarnold> izanagisan: http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/v2/
[01:56] <izanagisan> it's HTML based??
[01:56] <sarnold> yeah
[01:56] <izanagisan> wow
[01:56] <sarnold> feel free to just use the sleuth kit if you don't care for the frontend :)
[01:56] <sarnold> .. or don't have the memory for the whole thing
[01:56] <izanagisan> well I'm on a Ubuntu-Desktop live CD actually
[01:57] <izanagisan> and it's a server with 4GB RAM
[01:57] <izanagisan> but I'm still not sure I understand how to use the thing
[01:57] <izanagisan> sorry to be this obtuse: I have a headache the size of Japan
[01:59] <izanagisan> been all day standing in the server room trying to fix a Debian machine from which some /etc/ files were deleted
[02:00] <izanagisan> sarnold: could you give me some general idea of what must I unzip/install on Ubuntu to use it?
[02:01] <sarnold> izanagisan: hrm, the /usr/share/doc/autopsy/README.txt.gz gives me the impression it might only work if you can import a 'dd' image. the workflow may not be great if you can't import a dd...
[02:04] <sarnold> izanagisan: normally, just apt-get install autopsy, it should take care of all dependencies
[02:36] <izanagisan> sarnold: unable to find package
[02:36] <izanagisan> UbuntuDesktop 13.04
[02:37] <sarnold> izanagisan: does /etc/apt/sources.list include universe? have you run 'apt-get update' in this boot?
[02:38] <izanagisan> nope
[02:38] <izanagisan> will run and tell you
[02:38] <izanagisan> updated
[02:39] <izanagisan> the /etc/apt/sources.list is a rather slim file
[02:40] <izanagisan> says it's from CD.ROM and restricted
[02:40] <sarnold> ah!
[02:40] <izanagisan> how do I add the correct repo?
[02:41] <izanagisan> I do have Ubuntu desktop and server installed on several PCs and servers
[02:41] <izanagisan> but the machine with the HDD where I want to restore files is this one
[02:41] <sarnold> izanagisan: here's my binary raring sources: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6086140/
[02:45] <izanagisan> thanks!
[02:46] <sarnold> izanagisan: good luck, time for me to bail, hope you can sort it out quickly enough
[03:25] <izanagisan> sarnold; awesome
[03:25] <izanagisan> was able to isntall extundelete which got me 90% of my files
[03:26] <izanagisan> going to use Autopsy
[03:39] <izanagisan> do I HAVE to make a disk image to use Autopsy
[03:39] <izanagisan> or can I use it to recover files directly over something like /dev/sda1 ?
[09:58] <drAvanti> hello all,
[09:59] <drAvanti> Im trying to install Diaspora on my server. can anyone help me out
[10:07] <greppy> drAvanti: I thought diaspora was dead since the lead dev commited suicide...
[10:08] <drAvanti> greppy, well
[10:09] <drAvanti> im following this tutorial(https://wiki.diasporafoundation.org/Installation/Ubuntu/Precise?db=postgres&mode=production#Reverse_proxy)
[10:10] <drAvanti> im at the reverse proxy section and it links to (https://gist.github.com/MrZYX/719014). My question is, do I replace my apache2.conf with this file?
[10:12] <greppy> drAvanti: that is just a virtualhost definition, you don't have to replace your existing config, but if you aren't doing anything else with apache, you can.
[11:22] <yolanda> adam_g, zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/neutron/autopkgtests/+merge/183451
[11:23] <hXm> hi
[11:23] <hXm> i installed cups and I want to install a printer, how to? thanks to the firewalls I can't access to the port 631
[12:02] <wsk233> does anyone know why my make is failing http://pastebin.com/jESpUztK
[12:25] <bananapie> can anyone tell me if I can use iptables to filter IP traffic crossing an ethernet bridge?
[12:26] <bananapie> the ethernet bridge has no IP address and the bridge doesn't do routing.
[12:26] <wsk233> does anyone know why my make is failing http://pastebin.com/jESpUztK
[12:26] <bananapie> did you run apt-get build-dep php5 ?
[12:26] <bananapie> wsk233 : did you run apt-get build-dep php5 ?
[12:27] <wsk233> no i did not
[12:27] <wsk233> but i installed php by compiling it myself
[12:27] <bananapie> ok
[12:27] <wsk233> i didnt used the ubuntu repository
[12:28] <wsk233> so i dont know if i still need to do that
[12:28] <bananapie> if you run that command, it'll install all the dependencies you need to compile php, even if you are not using the sources from the repository
[12:28] <wsk233> well i already compiled php and php is working just fine
[12:28] <bananapie> wsk233, what is the output of dpkg -l | grep memcache ?
[12:28] <wsk233> its memcached where it goes wrong
[12:29] <wsk233> http://pastebin.com/vbmRirre
[12:29] <bananapie> wsk233, what is the output of dpkg -l | grep memcache ?
[12:30] <wsk233> i posted the output in the pastebin
[12:30] <geser> check if your memcache include files mention the missing type (looks like you installed memcache yourself too)
[12:30] <bananapie> thanks
[12:30] <bananapie> apt-get install libmemcache-dev
[12:31] <wsk233> i runned that command
[12:32] <wsk233> but still pecl shows me the same error
[12:32] <bananapie> rerun your configure, make clean and make
[12:32] <wsk233> okay so fure make clean then configure and then make?
[12:33] <bananapie> yea
[12:33] <bananapie> make clean && ./configure && make
[12:33] <wsk233> of my libmemcache or ?
[12:33] <bananapie> wait
[12:33] <bananapie> did you compile libmemcache yourself?
[12:33] <wsk233> yes i did
[12:34] <bananapie> ok
[12:34] <bananapie> nevermind, I can't help you
[12:34] <bananapie> I've never compiled libmemcache myself, maybe someone else here could help
[12:34] <wsk233> well i also did an apt-get install libmemcache
[12:34] <bananapie> yes, but you need the dev package which is libmemcache-dev if you want to compile against it.
[12:35] <bananapie> but if you have both a package and a compiled version of the same package, you will have lots of problems...
[12:35] <wsk233> i can do make uninstall libmemcache
[12:35] <bananapie> ok
[12:35] <bananapie> afterwards, install libmemcache-dev
[12:37] <wsk233> okay thats done
[12:37] <bananapie> wsk233 : why are you compiling php ? Why not use the package ?
[12:37] <wsk233> i did make uninstall apt-get remove --purge libmemcache-dev afterwards apt-ger install -f libmemcache-dev just to be sure thats its all clean
[12:38] <wsk233> because we use php 5.4.19
[12:38] <bananapie> ok
[12:38] <bananapie> so now return ./configure
[12:38] <wsk233> what do i need to configure?
[12:38] <bananapie> so now rerun ./configure in your php sources folder *
[12:38] <wsk233> php?
[12:38] <bananapie> cd /usr/lib/yourphpsource; ./configure
[12:38] <wsk233> ah okay but why i need to recompile php?
[12:39] <wsk233> memcached is a compleety seperate module right?
[12:39] <bananapie> hang on a minute I think I might have misread your pastebin
[12:39] <wsk233> sure thanks you
[12:39] <bananapie> :$ my bad
[12:39] <bananapie> I misread the configure :(
[12:39] <bananapie> I feel stupid.
[12:39] <bananapie> ignore everythng I said let's start over
[12:39] <wsk233> no problem :)
[12:39] <wsk233> okay
[12:40] <bananapie> I have a cold, it makes it harder to concentrate
[12:40] <wsk233> ah okay
[12:41] <bananapie> Is this the same issue you are having ? https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=65134
[12:42] <wsk233> hmm not entire sure
[12:42] <wsk233> but it looks like it
[12:42] <bananapie> k
[12:42] <wsk233> only this gives alot more errors then i have
[12:43] <wsk233> so thats why i sad not entirely sure
[12:43] <bananapie> wsk233 Sorry, I am not sure what to do.
[12:44] <wsk233> now it shows me this http://pastebin.com/8vmbuwn2
[12:44] <bananapie> Did you reinstall libmemcache-dev or redo make install on your libmemcache sources ?
[12:45] <wsk233> reinstall libmemcache-dev
[12:45] <bananapie> ok
[12:45] <wsk233> but it loosk liek its unable to find them
[12:46] <bananapie> wsk233, what is the output of dpkg -l | grep memcache ?
[12:46] <soahccc> Hey can anyone recommend amon (https://amon.cx/) for monitoring or have any opinion about it? It seems to good to be that "unknown".
[12:46] <bananapie> can you rerun this command and post it ?
[12:46] <wsk233> the pecl command?
[12:46] <wsk233> or the apt-get command?
[12:47] <bananapie> dpkg -l | grep memcache
[12:48] <wsk233> http://pastebin.com/Dng5VyfA
[12:53] <bananapie> ok
[12:53] <greppy> soahccc: never heard of it, but there are enough free options out there that I can't see spending $40 to monitor my gear.
[12:57] <soahccc> greppy: can you recommend something similar (similar means appealing interface, easy to use, no php dependency and easy to configure (gui))? I only found payed and or hosted solutions
[12:58] <wsk233> bananapie so what should i do next
[12:59] <bananapie> I don't know, sorry. :(
[12:59] <greppy> soahccc: I don't do much with a gui, but xymon ( used to be hobbit, used to be bigbrother ) is pretty easy to setup.
[13:00] <greppy> soahccc: but if you really need to have a gui and want it to be really easy, then yes, you will probably have to pay someone.
[13:07] <soahccc> I don't have a problem with paying someone but the solutions are mostly not that what I want them to be :D amon looks pretty good so far but it lacks some simple checks like "does page xy contains the string X and respond within time y"
[13:09] <soahccc> or "can I login into FTP xy" because we have FTPs which are refusing connections while appearing correctly operating
[13:11] <wsk233> bananapie i think its the bug
[13:19] <zul> ScottK:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1223342
[13:38] <bkfitz> Anyone here have experience setting up an sftp batch script from windows to linux using passwordless auth (keys)?
[13:41] <greppy> bkfitz: you can do it using the tools from putty. pscp psftp pagent, puttygen
[13:42] <bkfitz> greppy, yeah i have psftp and it works fine when typing the password, but you can't put the pw into the bat file... so i think i'm forced to use key based auth... just not sure how to do that
[13:43] <greppy> yes, you are.
[13:43] <bkfitz> greppy, is it basically 1. create key using puttygen, 2. copy key to linux server (but where?), 3. tell psftp to use key to auth
[13:43] <greppy> create a key using puttygen, either with a password and use pagent, or passwordless.
[13:44] <bkfitz> greppy, so you can have a passwordless key or a key generated with a password? huh... so after i generate the key w/ pw using puttygen, then i copy it to linux?
[13:45] <greppy> when you create the key, there is a text box with the openssh text that you need to put into your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the linux host.
[13:46] <greppy> make sure when you paste it into that file that it is all on one line, it's going to be long, so may wrap depending on your editor/terminal settings.
[13:50] <bkfitz> greppy, ~/.ssh doesn't seem to exist
[13:52] <bkfitz> greppy, yes I'm ls -la under ~ or /root/
[13:53] <bkfitz> greppy, apparently there is a utility called ssh-copy-id???
[13:54] <greppy> bkfitz: so mkdir ~/.ssh
[13:55] <greppy> and then create ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[13:55] <bkfitz> greppy, ok... just wanted to make sure it wasn't somewhere else in the ubuntu distro
[13:56] <bkfitz> greppy, thx for the direction... i'll keep diggin... have a 10am meeting i have to attend.
[14:45] <rbasak> smoser: sorry, I wasn't.
[14:47] <smoser> rbasak, :). no worries. i dont know if i typed or not . but my question was about 'filter' into the basicmirror.
[14:47] <smoser> you didn't move it up there. so i also didn't.
[14:47] <smoser> i just put 'filter' support into bin/sstream-mirror
[14:48] <rbasak> smoser: I didn't really follow your thinking for the inheritence hierarchy, so I left it alone.
[14:51] <zul> adam_g: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[14:52] <smoser> rbasak, fair enough.
[14:57] <zul> smb: i just uploaded xen and xen-api ill wait for them to build and then upload a new libvirt
[15:00] <smb> zul, Sounds good. Except maybe... unfortunately this is rdepends hell... xen-api depends on libxen-ocal-dev which is produced by xen-api-libs which depends on libxen-dev...
[15:01] <zul> gah
[15:01] <smb> Not sure whether this means xen-api-libs also needs a no-change rebuild and then again xen-api... :(
[15:01] <zul> you owe me tuns of beer for this :)
[15:02] <smb> zul, Can I deduct that from the many ones you owe me for making me do work on this the first place? :)
[15:02] <zul> i didnt make you do anything ;)
[15:03] <smb> :-P
[15:05] <smb> zul, Oh, actually it might be less of an issue... got confused of lib-xcp-ocaml-dev and libxen-ocaml-dev... But that probably means xen-api should have waited to build until xen has
[15:05] <zul> smb: bah ill fix it up
[15:07] <smb> zul, Thanks, must admit this is a bit of a nightmare to cope with. Maybe you are good as I changed the xen-utils build dependency in xen-api to xen-utils-4.3
[15:08] <zul> ill keep an eye on it
[15:08] <smb> zul, cool. thanks
[16:39] <koolhead17> hallyn_:  around
[16:57] <resno> So, I am mounting a directory is there a way to umount and not have that directory cleared out?
[17:00] <sarnold> resno: what do you mean?
[17:11] <adam_g> zul, what depends on python-lesscpy?
[17:11] <zul> adam_g:  horizon, looked at the requirements.txt last night , i need to do a MIR as well
[17:11] <hallyn_> zul: when you get a chance, would you mind pushing http://people.canonical.com/~serge/spice-overlap.debdiff to saucy?
[17:11] <adam_g> i know horizon uses it now in place of node-less, but i haven't had a need to install it
[17:12] <zul> adam_g:  openstack-infra people were asking for it as well
[17:12] <adam_g> zul, you may be able to avoid it as a depends for horizon for now, in the same way we avoid node-less. lesscpy is a drop in replacement for that, but we ship the stuff with offline compression
[17:13] <zul> ok ill have a look, ill bug mterry about python-troveclient as well
[17:14] <adam_g> zul, those CA packages look okay. hold off on horizon tho until b3 goes to saucy. gonna upload it today with the python-troveclient depends/mismatch
[17:14] <zul> adam_g:  ack
[17:14] <zul> neutron is still in proposed because it failed an autopkgtest
[17:15] <adam_g> zul, wheres the failure?
[17:17] <zul> adam_g: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-neutron/
[17:24] <bkfitz> greppy, you still there
[17:37] <sinclair> hi everyone
[17:59] <oh_no__> in a routing / subnet bind. I cannot resolve anything by hostname on a different subnet, but can by IP. Would anyone mind helping me out? I'm traversing a FortiGate firewall, but my problem seems to be in DNS/routing.
[18:15] <jibel> zul, neutron tests fails because python-neutron depends on  python-jsonrpclib  which is not in the archive
[18:21] <zul> jibel:  wtf
[18:24] <zul> jibel:  stupid arista plugin
[18:39] <Lartza> How do I set a system-wide locale?
[18:39] <Lartza> that persists a reboot of course
[18:46] <sarnold> Lartza: see /etc/default/locale
[18:49] <Lartza> sarnold, Finally got it, thanks
[18:59] <stephenh> hello
[19:00] <stephenh> where could i find hardy to install if it's no longer listed http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ?
[19:02] <sarnold> stephenh: happy archaelogy :) http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[19:02] <stephenh> :P thanks !
[19:26] <zul> adam_g: neutron tests have been fixed properly (needed a newer python-fixtures)
[19:26] <adam_g> zul, cool
[20:17] <adam_g> zul, you tracking the build failures in havana-staging?
[20:17] <zul> yep
[20:35] <jibel> zul, in neutron-2013.2~b3/debian/tests/neutron-daemons there is a typo: apt-get intall [...] instead of apt-get install
[21:18] <RoyK>
[21:45] <rostam> Hi in what time frame 12.04 LTS updates are released? currently we are at update 3, when would update 4 will be released?  I am asking this because I need kernel version 3.9 which supports Intel Haswell chipset. Thx
[21:47] <bekks> A new kernel major version will not be released during the lifetime of 12.04 without a very urgent cause.
[21:47] <RoyK> rostam: 3.8 is in the repos
[21:48] <RoyK> rostam: 3.9 probably won't be in 12.04
[21:48] <qman__> if you need kernel 3.9 you will have to backport it; a PPA or other maintained source might exist, but it won't be in the main updates
[21:49] <rostam> thanks
[21:49] <qman__> that is an issue separate from the point releases, which last I checked were not on a hard schedule, and occur as needed
[21:50] <rostam> qman__, what it takes to occur ?
[21:50] <RoyK> rostam: google ubuntu 12.04.4
[21:50] <qman__> the main purpose of the point releases is to fix show stopping bugs and add hardware support to the CD image
[21:51] <RoyK> it's scheduled, but won't include a new major release of the kernel
[21:58] <sarnold> won't there be a saucy-based 12.04 HWE stack at some point?
[22:04] <adam_g> smoser, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/1223576  the plot thickens


[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> I hate vts
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> I also hate Xorg, non-kms drivers, and the lack of a good way of making xsplash act like plymouth
[10:10]  * DanaG wishes there were an Ubuntu phone.
[10:13] <XorA> ogra: L24.7 kernel improves the native compile issue on omap4
[10:26] <ogra_cmpc> XorA, aha, cooloney can you rebase our package ? ^^^
[10:27] <ogra_cmpc> XorA, does git work with it now ?
[10:28] <cooloney> ogra_cmpc: ok, let me look, thanks for head up
[10:29] <XorA> ogra_cmpc: that still fails :-(
[10:29] <XorA> fatal: git fetch_pack: expected ACK/NAK, got ''
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> bah
[10:30] <XorA> 24.7 isnt at final release yet I beleive
[10:37] <cooloney> XorA: yeah, got a new branch L24.7 with a new tag:  L24.7-pre-release
[10:38] <XorA> got as far as fs/partitions/msdos.o before kernel build dies now
[11:18] <markos_> ogra: ok, finally I got the first hardfp image (ubuntu-minimal), I had to modify rootstock (named the script to rootstock-native) to make it work without qemu. I still have a couple of probs, mainly I have to preset some debconf values in console-setup otherwise I can't output everything to the logfile -I could use tee, but I'd like the process to be totally automated
[11:19] <markos_> now building ubuntu-standard
[11:19] <markos_> I'll upload them soon
[11:19] <lool> markos_: Cool
[11:19] <ogra> markos_, great
[11:19] <ogra> once you are done, gimme a bzr branch to merge :)
[11:19] <markos_> ogra: I'll file rootstock-native as a bug report to LP
[11:20] <ogra> or that
[11:20] <markos_> I don't use bzr :)
[11:20] <markos_> I'm more of a hg/svn person :)
[11:20] <markos_> (tbh, I've never used bzr, so I'm indifferent)
[11:21] <lool> the photos from http://www.netbooknews.de/16929/arm-freescale-ibm-samsung-st-ericsson-und-ti-schliessen-linux-buendnis/ are decent, but did someone find a video or the slides from the launch presentation?
[11:21] <lool> ECHAN
[11:22] <lool> BTW, Ubuntu is used as part of Linaro which was launched today at Computex; it's an important ARM effort for us
[11:30] <zumbi> great! is linaro a meego competing project?
[11:31] <zumbi> xilinx is missing on the partner list :) (I think it would be good to have them)
[11:32] <markos_> ogra: #589104
[11:32] <amitk> zumbi: no, not competing
[11:32] <ogra> thanks
[11:32] <amitk> zumbi: linaro will contribute directly to upstream and distros like meego can use that work
[11:33] <markos_> bbl
[11:34] <amitk> zumbi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22046787@N03/4664911239/
[11:34]  * zumbi gets excited
[11:49] <lool> http://www.linaro.org/arm-freescale-ibm-samsung-st-ericsson-and-texas-instruments-form-new-company-to-speed-the-rollout-of-linux-based-devices/ is the announcement
[11:51] <zumbi> hehe, maybe linaro wants to sponsor debconf.. :-)
[11:51]  * zumbi hides
[11:56] <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[11:56] <fewfw> Segmentation fault
[11:57] <lool> zumbi: not for profit == we have no money   ;-)
[12:25] <ogra> bah
[12:26] <ogra> why the heck
[12:26] <amitk> too long
[12:26] <ogra> its not
[12:27] <ogra> there we go, sorry for the noise
[12:30] <dev__> ogra is Linaro will be the same as Ubuntu-arm ??
[12:31] <dev__> ogra: Is Linaro will be the same as Ubuntu-arm ?? I had check page https://launchpad.net/linaro/ which mention "Also known as:   ubuntu-arm"
[12:32]  * zumbi `buildcross` in the new queue targetting experimental suite.
[12:33] <ogra> dev__, no, ubuntu-arm is ubuntu
[12:34] <dev__> ok
[12:34] <ogra> there will still be the ubuntu-arm channel and an ubuntu-arm team that specifically works on ubuntu stuff and builds ubuntu images
[12:35] <dev__> Can you point any link which will give me clear idea about relation of Ubuntu-ARM and linaro community ?
[12:35] <amitk> dev__: read the faq on linaro.org. It should answer your questions
[12:35] <amitk> http://www.linaro.org/faqs
[12:36] <amitk> ogra: perhaps the faq link should be in topic
[12:36] <ogra> i wonder if i could drop the debian eabi stuff
[12:36] <ogra> lool, ^^^ any objections ?
[12:36] <ogra> i think we're far beyond that
[12:36] <rcn-ee> do it.. ;)
[12:37] <dev__> amitk, thx for link.
[12:41] <ogra> dev__, i belive the "Also known as:   ubuntu-arm" isnt there anymore
[12:41] <ogra> hmm, no, it isnt
[12:41] <ogra> could someone fix that ?
[12:42] <dev__> It is there https://launchpad.net/linaro/
[12:42] <ogra> yeah
[12:42] <ogra> i missed the light grey on white :)
[12:42] <ogra> i agree its very confusing
[12:43] <dev__> FAQs are very good.
[12:43] <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[12:43] <fewfw> Segmentation fault
[12:44] <lool> ogra: in the topic?
[12:44] <lool> ogra: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiTodo > sure
[12:44] <ogra> lool, nope, under "Also known as:"
[12:45] <lool> ogra: where is that?
[12:45] <ogra> lool, https://edge.launchpad.net/linaro
[12:45] <lool> Also known as ubuntu-arn?
[12:45] <lool> ubuntu-arm?
[12:45] <lool> is that an issue?
[12:46] <ogra> well, it caused confusion already
[12:46] <lool> It's the name we've been using the last couple of months and some URLs might point to it
[12:46] <ogra> i know
[12:46] <lool> I think we can sort out the confusion here
[12:46] <ogra> hmm
[12:47] <ogra> lool, even after mobile was renamed ?
[12:47] <ogra> that smells like a big chaos
[12:49] <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[12:50] <ogra> fewfw, re posting the error message over and over wont get you any answers
[13:00] <ogra> fewfw, how about you give some more info :)
[14:53] <jcrigby> ndec: around?
[14:54] <jcrigby> ndec: ogra sent me to you.  Hoping you can put me intouch with Aneesh at ti.  He posted some initial omap4 patches to u-boot mailing list a week or so ago.
[14:54] <jcrigby> I would like to help if possible.
[15:02] <cwillu_at_work> oh, sweet, that was easy
[15:03] <ndec> jcrigby: hi
[15:04] <jcrigby> ndec:sorry to start a conversation and then leave but I need to drive my kids to school, be back in 20 minutes or so
[15:05] <ndec> jcrigby: no problem. i am in a meeting anyways.
[15:17] <cwillu_at_work> omapfb works fine with -nr, just needs a pScrn->canDoBGNoneRoot  = 1; in the driver
[15:19] <ogra_cmpc> cwillu_at_work, what for do you use that ?
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> ogra_cmpc, plymouth?
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> emulating KMS behavior ?
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> plymouth uses that even with kms
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> it seems that kms basically allows a driver to act somewhat like omap's frame buffer already works
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> cool
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> KMS support for omapbf was discussed at UDS btw
[15:21] <cwillu_at_work> so the only thing needed to get a slick transition to gdm is that one line in the omapfb driver
[15:21] <cwillu_at_work> well, and a nice x11 renderer for plymouth if you want to hide your initialization too, but ya
[15:22] <ogra_cmpc> could it do any harm to other functionallity ?
[15:23] <cwillu_at_work> no, it's only used as an arg to xorg
[15:23] <ogra_cmpc> ah, good
[15:23] <ogra_cmpc> lets add it then :)
[15:23] <cwillu_at_work> it's checked when blanking the root window, and that's it
[15:23] <cwillu_at_work> I threw it in to the end of the pScrtn-><foo> = <bar> block in omapfb-driver.c:232
[15:25] <cwillu_at_work> and the check where it's used is xorg-server-1.7.6/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Init.c:305:  if (bgNoneRoot && pScrn->canDoBGNoneRoot) {
[15:25] <cwillu_at_work> (bgNoneRoot is the -nr option)
[15:25] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[16:05] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, is displaying a boot splash on multiple console's (specifically, multiple console= entries) actually a desired usecase?
[16:06] <ogra> cwillu_at_work, not really, but having it not break if console=ttyS* is set is one
[16:06] <cwillu_at_work> define "not break"
[16:07] <ogra> well, it shouldnt affect tty0 if i define console=
[16:10] <cwillu_at_work> I'm going to do that thing where I make it do what I need it to do, and then describe what I did :p
[16:12] <ogra> well, it would be cool if you would produce an upstreamable fix :)
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> one of these days I should figure out ppa's
[16:21] <ogra> wont help you for arm
[16:21] <ogra> we dont provide arm ppas yet
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, remind me, what was the actual bug with plymouth and console= again?
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> just made a big loop, having gotten the behaviour I wanted, then backing out changes until it broke again.
[17:30] <ogra> cwillu_at_work, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/516825
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 516825 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth doesnt show any splash as soon as a console= commandline option is used on boot (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Fix released]
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> The funny thing is that I backed out _all_ of my changes to the package, and it works :)
[17:31] <ogra> heh
[17:31] <ogra> yeah, plymouth is a myth
[17:31] <cwillu_at_work> so, console=tty1 should definitely not work?
[17:31] <ogra> well, the bug is fix released
[17:32] <ogra> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 is the upstream bug for it
[17:32] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New]
[17:33] <ogra> - Make VT mandatory for renderer plugins, so we fallback gracefully to text when the console is not a VT.
[17:33] <ogra> thats the changelog entry for the fix in the package
[17:33] <ogra> seems slangasek fixed that one
[17:33] <cwillu_at_work> okay, that makes some sense
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> it's broken in the two console case
[17:34] <ogra> or, no, it was Keybuk
[17:34] <ogra> yes
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> I can set console=tty0 or I can set console=ttyS2,115200n8
[17:34] <ogra> but tty1 shoudl work
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> but setting both breaks it
[17:34] <ogra> right
[17:34] <ogra> so the upstream bug is still there
[17:35] <cwillu_at_work> on the other hand, if you have a bootsplash, it doesn't matter so much that you don't have boot output on tty1
[18:35] <tmzt> was linear to tiled framebuffer issue researched following uds?
[21:20] <garyhbaker> Unable to do a NetInstall on a Beagleboard.  Can't find archive.  Is something down.
[21:23] <garyhbaker> During the install process, after it gets to the part where it asks to choose an archive, the only choice is UK.  Ran fine yesterday.  Are there other archives and if so what are their URLs?
[21:24] <lool> garyhbaker: there's only one archive for armel, which is ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[21:47] <gsnedders> Anyone tried to install Lucid on any MX51 device that isn't the Babbage?
[22:21] <amitk> gsnedders: we've only had access to Babbage
[22:21] <amitk> but I suspect a different device would need a different kernel
[22:22] <gsnedders> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking