 I don't know what is left in the disconnected world, if I have stuff running, feel free to shut it down
[11:47] <Garyx> Anyone have any idea of when juju 2.0 RC1 or next Beta will rear it's head?
[17:28] <bdx> openstack-charmers: the issues I was experiencing with inability to modify the 30G default account quotas, and swift<->rgw api incompatibilities for rgw buckets has been remedied in Jewel :-)
[17:35] <bdx> I'm so distraught that I've a hammer deploy :-( .... I've successfully preformed an upgrade from hammer to jewel on test stacks ..... I'm trying to get a stable upgrade/migration procedure that I could apply to my production hammer deploy, I think I'm pretty close..... I'm wondering if there are any gotcha's the storage team might be able to unveil concerning upgradin hammer to jewel ?
[17:39] <marcoceppi> bdx: what's Jewel?
[17:42] <gnuoy> marcoceppi, maybe refering to the Ceph LTS which is code named Jewel. not sure of the context
[17:42] <bdx> the latest stable release of ceph packaged in xenial
[17:43] <bdx> oooh nm. Its not in the xenial archives :-(
[17:44] <bdx> only ceph==10.1.2 .... grrr
[17:44] <bdx> openstack-charmers: is there a way we can bump ceph to jewel for xenial?
[17:45] <bdx> openstack-charmers: ceph v10.2.0
[17:45] <bdx> storage-peeps: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/release-notes/#v10.2.0-jewel
[18:04] <ReSam> bdx: I think xenial includes a release candidate of jewel - and it will be upgraded later to the final release
[18:06] <bdx> ReSam: thanks, I see that now. Final release of 16.04 charms?
[18:24] <marcoceppi> bdx: almost all the openstack-charmers are in Austin at ODS, so responses might be delayed
[18:26] <bdx> marcoceppi: totally, thx
[18:52] <lazyPower> mbruzek - i know you're occupied atm, but here's where we left off at standup https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-tls/pull/21
[18:52] <lazyPower> lets see if we can poke a hole in this, but this looks like its doing what i want it to do
[19:13] <magicaltrout> urgh bloody interfaces
[19:13] <magicaltrout> can I prod something to find out what states my charm has set?
[19:14] <lazyPower> magicaltrout charms.reactive get_states
[19:15] <magicaltrout> ta
[19:26] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: either I'm having a major brain fade or something is wonky
[19:26] <magicaltrout> if I'm in juju debug-hooks how do I get access to charms.reactive?
[19:26] <lazyPower> its included in layer-basic, so its on $PATH if you're in a hook context
[19:26] <magicaltrout> thats what I thought
[19:27] <magicaltrout> root@ip-172-31-22-199:~# charms.reactive get_states
[19:27] <magicaltrout> bash: /usr/local/bin/charms.reactive: Permission denied
[19:30] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi you like this random stuff
[19:30] <magicaltrout> what am I doing wrong/broke
[19:30] <lazyPower> wat
[19:31] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: obviously you have not acended past root to reach god level status which is the permission required
[19:31] <magicaltrout> hehe
[19:31] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: ^^
[19:31] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: can you strace the command and paste the output?
[19:32] <magicaltrout> that one is easy
[19:32] <magicaltrout> root@ip-172-31-22-199:~# strace charms.reactive get_states
[19:32] <magicaltrout> strace: Can't stat 'charms.reactive': No such file or director
[19:32] <magicaltrout> +y
[19:33] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: strace  /usr/local/bin/charms.reactive for thrills
[19:33] <magicaltrout> ah that ones a treat
[19:33] <magicaltrout> http://pastebin.com/EzRkWye5
[19:33] <magicaltrout> same old stuff
[19:34] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: can you ls -lah that file?
[19:35] <magicaltrout> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 360 Apr 25 19:00 /usr/local/bin/charms.reactive
[19:35] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: well there's ya problem
[19:35] <marcoceppi> chmod +x that file
[19:36] <magicaltrout> yeah that works
[19:36] <magicaltrout> weird
[19:36] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: super weird
[19:38] <magicaltrout> yeah its like that on my other unit as well
[19:40] <magicaltrout> Wily & Juju 2.0-beta4 according to my status
[19:42] <magicaltrout> problem is no one cares about Wily... its like the forgotten love child.... ;'(
[19:43] <magicaltrout> okay
[19:43] <magicaltrout> i have an interface question cause I can't get this to work
[19:44] <magicaltrout> and you lot seem to think this stuff is easy ;0
[19:44] <magicaltrout> http://pastebin.com/HTfgbSbZ
[19:44] <magicaltrout> dcosmaster.available is set by the master charm when its installed and running
[19:45] <magicaltrout> if I debug the master charm i can see it set
[19:45] <magicaltrout> but I don't seem to be picking it up on the requires end
[19:45] <magicaltrout> any tips?
[19:45] <magicaltrout> I can see the various hooks being triggered in the debug log
[20:06] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: That file should be +x when it's installed from the wheelhouse by pip.  If it's not, then I can only guess that it's a problem with pip on wiley?
[20:13] <magicaltrout> i like the way you answer that with a question mark cory_fu as if I have a any idea how pip works! ;)
[20:13] <magicaltrout> I do have a question though
[20:13] <magicaltrout> @hook('{requires:dcos}-relation-{joined,changed}')
[20:13] <magicaltrout> i have that in my interface
[20:14] <magicaltrout> how can i find out what it things requires:dcos is
[20:14] <magicaltrout> because when i hard code it to dcosmaster my hook runs
[20:14] <magicaltrout> and when its templated
[20:14] <magicaltrout> it doesn't
[20:15] <magicaltrout> i assumed it picked it up from metadata.yaml
[20:15] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: it gets that from the metdata.yaml
[20:16] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: what's the name of the interface?
[20:16] <cory_fu> It does pick it up from metadata.yaml.  It should match any relation in metadata.yaml in the "requires:" section that has "interface: dcos"
[20:16] <marcoceppi> dcos or dcosmaster?
[20:16] <magicaltrout> "requires":
[20:16] <magicaltrout>   "dcosmaster":
[20:16] <magicaltrout>     "interface": "dcos"
[20:16] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: that will be triggered anytime dcosmater-relation-joined/changed is called
[20:16] <magicaltrout> yeah well thats what i thought
[20:17] <magicaltrout> but that only happens when i remove the templating
[20:17] <magicaltrout> i realise you'll think i'm the crazy mad man at this point
[20:17] <magicaltrout> but its actually true :P
[20:18] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: I believe you and defer to my associate, cory_fu ;)
[20:18] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: linky to the full requires.py file?
[20:19] <magicaltrout> http://pastebin.com/nZWQ1brm its just a hacked up one from the docs
[20:19] <magicaltrout> doesn't do much at the mo
[20:19] <magicaltrout> ignore line 11 I deliberately broke it to check its execution :)
[20:20] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: is it because of the class name?
[20:21] <magicaltrout> doubt it
[20:21] <magicaltrout> i shall check
[20:22] <magicaltrout> oh wtf
[20:23] <magicaltrout> looks like you're correct marcoceppi
[20:23] <magicaltrout> spent bloody ages looking at that wondering why filling in the templates worked fine
[20:23] <magicaltrout> teaches me to copy and paste
[20:24] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: copy and paste - it's the reason we built layers ;)
[20:24] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: lesson learned, we need to have a charm create -t interface
[20:25]  * marcoceppi opens bug
[20:25] <magicaltrout> yeah that would be really good
[20:25] <magicaltrout> oh well i can return to actually implmenting the busines end now :P
[20:25] <marcoceppi> \o/ another blocker unblocked
[20:26] <magicaltrout> yeah i'm well in a hole in terms of time and apachecon, the less blockers the better please :P
[20:27] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: well please feel free to aggressively ping me
[20:27] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: happy to make sure thta's a success for you
[20:27] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: and to basically defer all the hard stuff to cory_fu
[20:28] <magicaltrout> hehe
[20:29] <magicaltrout> I think the juju stuff is mostly in place. For the demo I plan to spin up Apache OODT for Data Management in DC/OS and use the Big Data bundles to spin up a hadoop platform and have some interaction between them all, probably similar to cory_fu's ssh failed attempts
[20:29] <magicaltrout> suck them into the platform via Apache OODT for catalog and search stuff and Zeppelin for the analysis
[20:30] <magicaltrout> which is a pseudo real world scenario we have, although we don't currently use DC/OS clearly as its rather new
[20:30] <magicaltrout> and honestly, OODT, Mesos, Zookeeper, Hadoop, Zeppelin, how much more Apache tech could you have in a talk thats powered by Juju?
[20:31] <magicaltrout> i don't think its possible
[20:34] <magicaltrout> oh and Tomcat and Solr and Tika
[20:34] <magicaltrout> blimey
[20:35] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: it's like the entire apache catalog ;)
[20:36] <magicaltrout> yeah its not far off, but also is real life, so its not like i'm trying to cram it all into just to make a point
[20:36] <magicaltrout> but it certainly helps ;)
[20:39] <marcoceppi> :D
[20:51] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: whats the name of the stuff that houses downloads in 2.0 and is there any documentation for the feature I've forgotten? :)
[20:59] <magicaltrout> hmm looks like classname might not be the problem
[20:59] <magicaltrout> fresh install back to broken
[21:02] <magicaltrout> fscking templates
[21:04] <magicaltrout> cory_fu: http://pastebin.com/4LWd3s8q that runs and logs fine
[21:04] <magicaltrout> http://pastebin.com/6WVCExFc
[21:04] <magicaltrout> that sinks without trace
[21:05] <magicaltrout> http://pastebin.com/x1yUwwCz
[21:05] <magicaltrout> thats my metadata
[21:05] <magicaltrout> suggestions please! :)
[21:09] <magicaltrout> ack ack
[21:09] <magicaltrout> bloody typo
[21:09] <magicaltrout> always the users fault
[21:13] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: Don't use -broken in reactive
[21:13] <cory_fu> Also, your hook line should be @hook('{requires:dcos}-relation-{joined,changed}')
[21:14] <cory_fu> Other than that, what's the problem?
[21:14] <magicaltrout> yeah i saw it ;(
[21:14] <cory_fu> I was in a meeting, and not really able to pay attention before.  :(
[21:14] <magicaltrout> if you shouldn't use broken you should probably get evilnick to touch up the docs: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-layers-interfaces
[21:16] <cory_fu> Yeah, we should update that.  It will only actually cause problems if you use set_state in there, but it doesn't work like you'd expect so it's better to avoid it entirely
[21:16] <magicaltrout> cool
[21:17] <magicaltrout> as you're here and marco isn't whats the name for that charm storage stuff?
[21:17] <magicaltrout> not "storage" but where you store artifacts
[21:17] <cory_fu> Are you asking about resources?
[21:17] <magicaltrout> my google-fu is failing me
[21:17] <magicaltrout> that be the one
[21:17] <magicaltrout> i knew it began with r
[21:17] <cory_fu> :)
[21:17] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: So I'm still confused what your issue is with the interface layer
[21:18] <kjackal> cory_fu kwmonroe admcleod1: this PR on hue does a lot of cleaning and adds integration to ZK and Hive, integration with YARN & HDFS was already there (as far as I remember) https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-hue/pull/6
[21:18] <cory_fu> You definitely should not hard-code the name of the relation in the @hook line
[21:18] <magicaltrout> i don't it was a typo and lack of understanding :)
[21:18] <cory_fu> Ah, ok
[21:18] <magicaltrout> not the hard coding was just because i couldn't see why it wasn't running
[21:18] <magicaltrout> and to prove to myself i wasn't completely mad
[21:19] <cory_fu> arosales: As kjackal pointed out above, we think that Hue is basically ready (pending the PR) and we can hopefully have it cleaned up and done by EOW
[21:23] <kjackal> arosales: Just tested upgrade from spark 1.6.0 to 1.6.1 and it works
[21:28] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: with juju resources, on the first execution of a charm download an archive
[21:28] <magicaltrout> then in the charm dump it into resources so in future it doesn't have to fetch it again
[21:29] <arosales> cory_fu: kjackal  interesting and good to hear.
[21:29] <arosales> kjackal: is that with spark only or with hadoop too?
[21:30] <kjackal> this is for spark 1.6.1 to 1.6.0 and a fixed version of Hadoop 2.6.0
[21:31] <arosales> kjackal: gotcha, and I think the hadoop admcleod1 is working on is 2.7.x so perhaps a little work there, but good to hear that is  close.
[21:32] <arosales> kjackal: burning the mid night oil too I see ;-)
[21:33] <kjackal> arosales: The binary was for Hadoop 2.6.0+ . I do not think there is a Spark binary for Hadoop 2.7.0 only
[21:34] <kjackal> arosales: regarding Hue the misunderstanding (at least from my part) was that we do not need the entire functionality of Hue, we need integration with YARN. We can gradually integrate Hue with the rest of the Hadoop ecosystem
[21:35] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: that's not how resources work
[21:35] <arosales> kjackal: for sure we can always build from there
[21:45] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: maybe, but it should be how resources work! :P
[21:47] <magicaltrout> for example, DC/OS it has to download a 500mb file to bootstrap
[21:47] <magicaltrout> if it was a resource, that would be pretty instant, not that its that slow over the net, but you get my drift
[21:48] <magicaltrout> so I could define it as a resource and have people upload a bootstrap tarball to the Juju server resource pool
[21:48] <magicaltrout> or, I could have some cool hook that grabs it on the first run, and dumps it into the resource pool so future runs could grab it from there instead of the web
[22:13] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: well...
[22:22] <magicaltrout> well indeed!
[22:53] <magicaltrout> boom
[22:53] <magicaltrout> semi working DC/OS
[22:53] <magicaltrout> what a hack!
[22:53] <magicaltrout> ;)
[23:32] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: all great production deployments start as hacks :)
[23:33] <magicaltrout> https://ibin.co/2f1dfqzROiqs.png
[23:33] <magicaltrout> thanks marcoceppi nice charm developer program 12 node cluster ;)
[23:42] <magicaltrout> (don't worry marco, I switched it off :P )


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[17:30] <vorlon> all of the autopkgtests for the mass no-change rebuild have now been shunted to the huge queue, so any release-critical uploads between now and release should not find themselves blocked on testing due to the backlog
[17:30] <vorlon> (ubiquity, ubuntu-drivers-common have gotten through)
[21:34] <juliank> We have become aware of some "out of space" situations on the autopkgtest cloud and taken measures to prevent more instances in the near future.
[21:40] <mwhudson> bdmurray, vorlon, anyone else: anything release-urgent i should be looking at today?
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[22:48] <vorlon> mwhudson: not sure if you're in a position to get systemd migration unstuck, but that rather seems like something we'd want in...
[22:48] <mwhudson> vorlon: well i have some experience fighting that fire at least
[22:48] <mwhudson> vorlon: seems it's "will attempt migration" now?
[22:48] <vorlon> yeah, I'm just not sure of any current context about why it's stuck
[22:48] <vorlon> oh?
[22:49] <vorlon> huh ok
[22:49] <vorlon> yeah it was just accepted
[22:49] <vorlon> so I don't have anything else on my radar right now
[22:49] <mwhudson> ok, anything else you want me to look at and magically make work without doing anything? :)
[23:36] <bdmurray> mwhudson: bug 1945848 is assigned to sil2100 but I'm not sure he's done much on it yet
[23:37] <mwhudson> i have looked at keyboard layout bugs in ubiquity before and got exactly nowhere but i can try again
[23:52] <mwhudson> although it turns out i think i know this one!


[08:41] <kwwii> morning all
[09:02] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:02] <kwwii> hi thorwil
[09:04] <kwwii> thorwil: just talking to ivanka about the countdown banner....trying to get an idea of what they want, etc.
[09:05] <kwwii> so, in the end, there is no specific direction...since it was in the community space it should stay there
[09:05] <kwwii> ie. feel free to do whatever you want ;)
[09:06] <thorwil> kwwii: i just wanted to say that, 1 day before concept deadline, it would be a bit late to think about what you want :)
[09:14] <kwwii> LOL
[09:16] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[09:18] <kwwii> wow, I like the ones with the bg fromthe xsplash
[09:18] <thorwil> currently Chin's design is the only one i like (somewhat). i fear he might have taken that koala from an image not granting those rights
[09:19] <thorwil> horrible numerals, anyway
[09:29] <kwwii> yeah
[09:45]  * mac_v doesnt like the splash being used as a banner ;p
[10:58] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:17] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - u back?
[17:20] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london)
[17:20] <kwwii> oops, one second too late
[17:41] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: he
[17:41] <kwwii> hey
[17:42] <kwwii> 18:20 -!- mrmcq2u_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote closed the  connection]
[17:42] <kwwii> 18:20 < kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes, I am online (but not at home, back in london)
[17:42] <kwwii> 18:20 < kwwii> oops, one second too late
[18:08]  * kwwii is off to the hotel
[19:58] <zoomy942> hi there everyone
[20:01] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii -> did u talk to that sound engineer yet?
[20:01] <zoomy942> i had a question about the Breathe Icon set
[20:01] <zoomy942> it's a great icon set by the way
[20:08] <mrmcq2u_> I don't like it :(
[20:08] <mrmcq2u_> prefer gnome-colors
[20:08] <mrmcq2u_> or humanity
[20:10] <zoomy942> well, about those sets, this quesiton applies too
[20:10] <zoomy942> it changed everything, which is good, but i didnt notice it change my battery/charging icon on my tablet pc
[20:10] <zoomy942> is that something that was skipped?
[20:13] <MadsRH> zoomy942 -> Breathe is really slick - only 50% done at the moment. I tried Humanity, which is better than Human, but still I like Breathe better
[20:14] <mrmcq2u_> MadsRH - did u try gnome colors?
[20:16] <MadsRH> mrmcq2u_ -> No, I haven't. Is that the set that have a non-ubuntu icon in the applications menu?
[20:25] <mrmcq2u_> MadRH  - Its the iconset you use with shiki-colors
[20:32] <zoomy942> thanks for the info.  i love breathe so far.  love it
[20:32] <zoomy942> i'll be keeping an eye on it, thats for sure
[21:01] <knome> kwwii, what's the license for notification-* icons in Human? where i can find the AUTHORS file?
[21:07] <kwwii> knome is there a problem?
[21:08] <kwwii> I am on a mac atm, can't give you and links or such...ask me tomorrow when I am back at work
[21:08] <kwwii> I don't think that there is an authors file
[21:10] <knome> kwwii, we need the svg files, but the sources only have png
[21:10] <knome> kwwii, did you have that group photo btw? ;)
[21:13] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - what are the chances that lynx will use a modified more desktop friendly version of the moblin ui instead of gnome-shell?
[21:13] <mrmcq2u_> with integrated web browser and media player taken out of the panel and a zeitgeist based file manager replacing it instead
[21:18] <kwwii> knome: what do you want to do with the svg's?
[21:18] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: no idea
[21:24] <kwwii> knome: sorry, I am back in london atm...I was only home for two days before returning...I promise that when I get home in a few days  I will get it to you
[21:24] <kwwii> beta freeze is on thursday...I am going kinda crazy with work
[21:35] <knome> kwwii, we need to fix some of the icons, we're going to include them in our own set
[21:35] <FLOZz> Bye
[21:35] <knome> kwwii, no hurry with the group photo, it's already been a year since it ;)
[21:38] <kwwii> knome: please do not simply copy the icons. I have no problem if they are changed in style or such, but just copying them will get me stress from my boss
[21:38] <knome> right
[21:39] <knome> we are going to change the colors
[21:41] <knome> is there a specific reason why human is so kind of closed from public?
[21:46] <kwwii> knome: human in general no...but when we released the notification icons with the theme they were supposed to be licensed differently and for whatever reason I got the blame
[21:47] <kwwii> so, I would appreciate it if those icons are not copied directly
[21:47] <kwwii> just the notifications, nothing else
[21:48] <knome> hmm?
[21:48] <knome> what is the license then?
[21:53] <knome> just tell me to shut up if you can't tell more about it :)
[21:55] <kwwii> hehe, it is in the paage itself in the debian dir...ccbysa
[21:55] <knome> ok, so we *could* copy those?
[21:55] <kwwii> among other things, the ubuntu logo which is trademarked is also in their...legally that is incorrect as well
[21:56] <knome> i don't want to cause any trouble and i
[21:56] <knome> ...i'll keep our team from copying them if there really is a problem
[21:56] <kwwii> I would almos promise that any theme which just copies them will not make it into ubuntu
[21:56] <kwwii> almost
[21:56] <knome> but we're talking about xubuntu
[21:57] <knome> why release them under CC if they don't want them to be copied? or was this a mistake?
[21:57] <kwwii> it was a mistake
[21:57] <knome> okay
[21:59] <kwwii> I appreciate your understanding
[22:00] <knome> sure
[22:00] <knome> i think we have to find an other way
[22:00] <SiDi> kwwii: so there's no way for us to use the human notification-* icons ? :(
[22:03] <knome> kwwii, who would be the next from you to contact about this? sabdfl? :P
[22:40] <kwwii> sorry all, the wifi went down in my hotel
[22:40] <kwwii> so they gave me free broadband ;)
[22:40] <kwwii> SiDi: as they are in the human set, it would be bad
[22:41] <kwwii> SiDi: what we could do is put them in another set just to themselves and then put that beneath your default set in the heirarchy
[22:41] <kwwii> knome: dude, please don't even kid about that :) He was the one who was screaming at me that I had better get my shit together after they were released with the human set
[22:42] <kwwii> although I had no idea that they should not be released with it...until then everything was ccbysa
[22:42] <SiDi> i see
[22:42] <kwwii> naturally, you could take the svgs and change them
[22:42] <knome> kwwii, he is not a superhuman even if he has all the power in ubuntu and lots of money :P
[22:42] <kwwii> or just include the human set underneath
[22:42] <kwwii> knome: lol, he pay my salary
[22:42] <SiDi> i think we will try to make our own ones
[22:43] <ckontros> Screaming? Really? Because it was an open license? Hmm...
[22:43] <knome> kwwii, but not mine.
[22:43] <SiDi> that'll avoid you trouble
[22:43] <kwwii> yes, and I would appreciate it ;)
[22:43] <kwwii> ckontros: he wants all the new stuff from the design team which is different enough from what we have done until now to be reserved for ubuntu, etc
[22:45] <knome> kwwii, that sounds like lots of propietary stuff coming
[22:50] <kwwii> well, it is just parts of the artwork...all the code will stay opensource
[22:51] <kwwii> the idea is that if we create something *really* amazing (which is, of course our job) we don't want someone to simply copy it as soon as we release it
[22:51] <kwwii> check the new xsplash artwork, it has the new license
[22:51] <kwwii> although really it is a non-license
[22:52] <knome> "the new license" ?
[22:52] <knome> kwwii, how does that license apply for copying to xubuntu, for example?
[22:52] <kwwii> trust me, I have spent the last months talking to our two lawyers (and *lots* of others) concerning licensing and such
[22:52] <knome> i mean, one might think mark wouldn't want to stop it being in the rest of his products as well
[22:53] <knome> it == amazing stuff
[22:53] <kwwii> knome: to be honest, with xubuntu, because of its status with ubuntu variants, I don't know
[22:53] <knome> kwwii, is there any possibility you could investigate this further? :/
[22:53] <kwwii> right, but we're not talking about just using it in xubuntu but taking it out of the context with which it way intended
[22:53] <ckontros> kwwii: Ouch.  Though I understand why. And IMO the art won't show elsewhere.
[22:54] <knome> yeah
[22:54] <kwwii> knome: yes, I can take care of it tomorrow
[22:54] <knome> kwwii, thanks. i appreciate it
[22:54] <kwwii> ckontros: I agree but it was not my decision
[22:54] <kwwii> I almost lost my job over this and before it I had no idea
[22:54] <ckontros> I can see this being an issue later though. Something to give Mark shit about.
[22:55] <knome> it really sounds like something big
[22:55] <kwwii> oh, I imagine this will be a big issue with more people
[22:55] <kwwii> I just don't want those problems to come out of something that I said or did ;)
[22:55] <knome> of course
[22:56] <ckontros> For sure, people will see the license and make their own issue from it.
[22:56] <knome> that's why we might ask mark directly O:)
[22:56] <kwwii> quite a few at the company thought it was not the right decision
[22:56] <ckontros> There will also be bugs filed. :P
[22:56] <kwwii> knome: don't worry, I will talk to him and others tomorrow
[22:56] <knome> okay :)
[22:56] <kwwii> I will explain this whole conversation
[22:56] <knome> okay, thanks a lot
[22:57]  * ckontros doubts any of the dirivitaves will have a problem using the icons.
[22:57] <kwwii> no problem, thank you for understanding, more info will be coming
[22:57] <ckontros> *derivatives
[22:58] <knome> ckontros, the problem is that xubuntu is not one of the officially supported
[22:58] <knome> ckontros, we are just an official derivative
[22:58] <kwwii> as I said, as long as they are in a) a seperate set to themselves or b) kept in the human theme as they are now, it will not be a problem
[22:58] <SiDi> ckontros: we always ask for authorization before using someone else's work, fortunately this can avoid bad situations :p
[22:58] <knome> kwwii, a separate set would work perfectly, actually..
[22:59] <SiDi> kwwii: i'm ok for a xubuntu-notification-icon-theme or something, if it can be done
[22:59] <kwwii> knome: yeah, and I bet that mark will like the idea as well
[22:59] <knome> kwwii, great to hear :)
[22:59] <kwwii> luckily I am in the office so I can sit down with them over lunch and discuss the issue
[22:59] <knome> kwwii, i have to buy you a beer if we meet someday :)
[22:59] <ckontros> Drama. meh
[22:59] <kwwii> knome: deal ;)
[23:03]  * kwwii finds the amazing Katy Brands Big Ass Show
[23:03] <kwwii> funny as hell
[23:03] <SiDi> kwwii: now that knome said that he's telling me he needs a beer in pm... he's terrible, as soon as he thinks of beer.. :P
[23:03] <knome> lol
[23:03] <knome> maybe i am;)
[23:03] <kwwii> lol
[23:04] <kwwii> were I live, there are more breweries per capita than anywhere in the world
[23:04] <kwwii> ;)
[23:04] <ckontros> Damn Krauts
[23:05] <knome> well, to be honest, i think beer 99% of the time i'm awake
[23:06] <knome> one day i hope i can say that sentence with "think" replaced with "drink"
[23:06] <knome> and not lie
[23:06] <SiDi> it would not be sane for your body
[23:06] <knome> not really. :)
[23:06]  * ckontros was straitedge 'till he was 27. (not hardcore just kinda fit that mold)
[23:07] <knome> but at least i'd have fun
[23:07] <knome> drinking beer all the time actually isn't a thing to joke about :P
[23:07] <knome> still i manage to do that all the time
[23:08] <SiDi> ELEMENTARY HUMMINGBIRD !
[23:08] <SiDi> its still damn long
[23:08] <SiDi> I was happy with BLH :(
[23:10] <knome> heh
[23:10] <SiDi> knome: image sent in email
[23:10] <knome> okay
[23:10] <SiDi> i had an idea for the ico ntheme
[23:10] <SiDi> we could release elementary as is
[23:11] <knome> and?
[23:11] <SiDi> and define BLH which would contain only our few icons and which would inherit the notification theme and then elementary
[23:11] <knome> that's possible.
[23:11] <knome> not a bad idea at all
[23:11] <SiDi> so there would be elementary installed (recognition for the author) and i'd have my sexy name
[23:11] <knome> those icons you sent look good
[23:11] <SiDi> the alternative is that i stop being an asshole and i accept using elementary xubuntu or w/e as a name
[23:11] <knome> haha
[23:11] <SiDi> the 24px stop icon is blur
[23:12] <SiDi> but it took me already some time to make it like that :P
[23:12] <knome> hmm
[23:12] <knome> how come?
[23:12] <SiDi> (but i think they're definately better than the current gnome ones)
[23:12] <SiDi> well, w/out the sources i just took the gnome ones and rotated them
[23:12] <knome> why not just copy the start icon and flip it and change the colors? :]
[23:12] <SiDi> which blurred them A LOT
[23:12] <knome> hmm
[23:12] <knome> how come?
[23:13] <knome> they were svg?
[23:13] <SiDi> which i fixed quite great in the 22Px and 16px ones, but which i dont seem to manage to fix more for the 24px
[23:13] <SiDi> png
[23:13] <knome> OH
[23:13] <SiDi> there's no xcf or svg
[23:13] <SiDi> its not even open source
[23:13] <knome> gosh?!
[23:13]  * kwwii hits the minibar
[23:13] <knome> can we modify them then?
[23:13] <SiDi> if apt-get sources returns a damn package without the SOURCE, then its not open source x_x
[23:13] <knome> kwwii, have a good drink
[23:13] <knome> SiDi, lol
[23:14] <knome> SiDi, which pkg is that? :P
[23:14] <SiDi> its a SOURCE package of course
[23:14] <kwwii> nothing better than a beer which costs 10 pounds
[23:14] <knome> kwwii, OUCH.
[23:14] <knome> kwwii, i think i'll have some rum
[23:14] <kwwii> actually, it is more like 6, but that is still crazy expensice
[23:14] <SiDi> i think i'll go bed
[23:14] <knome> SiDi, night :P
[23:14] <kwwii> actually, I think I will pop open a vodka
[23:14] <kwwii> night SiDi
[23:14] <SiDi> gotta wake up in 6 hours for a signal transmission mathematics course...
[23:14] <knome> kwwii, sounds like a normal price for beer in my standard bar
[23:15] <SiDi> knome: thats so damn expensive :P
[23:15] <knome> SiDi, but it's beer. ;)
[23:15] <knome> SiDi, and only money. ;)
[23:15] <SiDi> knome: feel free to try to make a better 24px icon btw ;) basically i just turned the icon, made it sharper, and then darkened it a little bit in gimp
[23:16] <SiDi> (andi still think photoshop >>>>>> gimp)
[23:16] <knome> SiDi, hmpf.
[23:16] <knome> SiDi, i think we might try to get THE sources
[23:16] <SiDi> i think you should try w/e art channel exists in gimp.net then
[23:16] <SiDi> ts the gnome hideout
[23:17] <SiDi> Ok, time to go now :X
[23:21] <knome> hmm, my captain morgan is clearly running out


[07:54] <flocculant> ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/IwhF4NF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IayMLPm.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/lJHO427.jpg
[07:55] <flocculant> mmm
[07:56] <flocculant> after all that ignore the middle (application one)
[08:00] <flocculant> this is better for application http://i.imgur.com/hNCOHju.jpg
[08:02] <flocculant> hope that helps - if nothing else it will make you think :)
[12:15] <flocculant> ochosi: I really like the idea of show notifications on display with mouse pointer \o/
[12:19] <flocculant> only slightly visual thing I would mention is the application list has 90deg corners, the log list has rounded corners at bottom - (perhaps because it has that Refresh/Clear button area?)
[12:19]  * flocculant generally doesn't like that whole square at top, rounded at bottom thing - which I assume is some gtk3 thing
[12:25] <flocculant> ochosi: ummm - seems that while that all looks good - it's broken here. Open notify settings - set which to mute. Close settings - no notifications, re-open settings and those you unmuted are now muted again.
[12:25]  * flocculant is in and out for a while now
[13:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: the inline toolbar buttons *are* linked. and i'll probably add icons later
[13:53] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, i'll check what i broke with restructuring the code and all
[13:53] <ochosi> the "display with mouse pointer" was always the default btw
[13:53] <ochosi> i just exposed it now by adding an alternative to it (primary display)
[13:53] <ochosi> i'll go through the rest of your suggestions later
[13:53] <ochosi> the heading subtitle cannot be changed dynamically
[13:53] <ochosi> but we can reformulate it
[14:04] <flocculant> I did think that was the case with subtitle - in which case the screenshot suggestion to remove 'screen' seems more important to me
[14:04] <flocculant> cya later :)
[15:02] <bluesabre> ochosi, there seems to be a space between them in this screener (compared to the stack buttons) http://i.imgur.com/xHEVzAv.png
[15:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, that's not the latest version ;)
[15:07] <ochosi> i've fixed that already
[15:10] <bluesabre> :D
[15:10] <flocculant> :)
[15:15] <ochosi> but i guess now i need to look into what is broken with the settings
[15:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you wanna help out by submitting a patch for the g_idle_add callback you're more than welcome to ;)
[15:16] <flocculant> ochosi: I didn't notice this issue prior to last night
[15:16] <flocculant> not able to give you more of a clue than that :(
[15:17] <ochosi> np
[15:17]  * flocculant wanders off again
[15:17] <ochosi> hopefully not a big deal
[15:17] <ochosi> flocculant: only the muted apps? or other settinsg too?
[15:18] <ochosi> ah
[15:18] <ochosi> i see
[15:18] <flocculant> ochosi: only seems to be the muted apps page that has an issue - other settings stay as I set them
[15:18] <bluesabre> ochosi, will take a look later
[15:18] <ochosi> it's because i added the icon
[15:18] <ochosi> flocculant: already fixed locally
[15:18] <flocculant> orly
[15:19] <flocculant> ochosi: ok \o/
[15:19]  * flocculant really does wander off now :p
[15:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: hi and have a great day :)
[15:30] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, pushed the fix. so i hope the rest is still fine (please keep testing ;))
[15:35] <ochosi> flocculant: btw, if we invert the logic from "show notification" to "mute application" (i had that initially), then the switches in the list will be more unclear
[15:35] <ochosi> flocculant: e.g. does an active switch mean the app is muted..? or that it is "enabled"?
[15:35] <ochosi> flocculant: so that was my reasoning for doing it like this
[15:49] <flocculant> mmm - ok that makes sense to me
[15:49] <ochosi> but i agree, the usage of "muted" in the other context may not be ideal
[15:49] <flocculant> wonder how we can word that then
[15:49] <ochosi> yeah, i'm not 100% sure how to word all the options
[15:50] <flocculant> I'll think more on that for you :)
[15:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: still around?
[15:50] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks!
[15:50] <bluesabre> ochosi, aroundish
[15:50] <bluesabre> what's up?
[15:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: just wanted to add another button for opening the log in an external editor or at least showing the folder in a file-browser
[15:51] <ochosi> and you do that in catfish too
[15:51] <ochosi> so in terms of being lazy and not looking through the code, do you just use xdg-open directly with a path?
[15:51] <ochosi> (it seems to work from the term)
[15:52] <bluesabre> ochosi, or exo-open
[15:52] <ochosi> but exo-open is xfce specific
[15:52] <bluesabre> glib has a launch thing too
[15:52] <ochosi> and potentially will die, no?
[15:52] <bluesabre> one sec
[15:52] <ochosi> right..
[15:54] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gdk2/stable/GdkScreen.html#gdk-spawn-on-screen that's what you'll use to launch
[15:55] <ochosi> that has been deprecated...
[15:55] <ochosi> (you're looking at gdk2)
[15:55] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.48/GAppInfo.html
[15:56] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.48/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch  maybe?
[15:56] <ochosi> yeah, but then i would have to know what app
[15:56] <bluesabre> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2011-February/msg00684.html
[15:57] <bluesabre> yeah, xdg-open should be fine
[15:57] <bluesabre> don't imagine we'll be dropping exo-open though
[15:57] <ochosi> who knows
[15:57] <ochosi> maybe we'll just make exo-open a wrapper for xdg-open
[15:58] <bluesabre> looking for what else might be used
[15:58] <bluesabre> aha
[15:58] <bluesabre> here you go https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch-default-for-uri
[15:59] <bluesabre> (use the one below that)
[15:59] <bluesabre> oh wait, nope
[15:59] <ochosi> :D
[15:59] <bluesabre> getting terms confused use g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri
[15:59]  * ochosi waits a little longer anyway to be sure
[16:00] <bluesabre> ochosi, feel confident about that
[16:00] <ochosi> which one?
[16:00] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/GAppInfo.html#g-app-info-launch-default-for-uri
[16:00] <ochosi> the waiting?
[16:00] <ochosi> or any of your suggestions :D
[16:00] <bluesabre> maybe none of them :D
[16:00] <bluesabre> but that one seems like the A-OK acceptable one
[16:01] <ochosi> ok cool, i'll give it a shot
[16:01] <ochosi> also, if you wanna help me and flocculant in reviewing the naming of the current options feel free to!
[16:01] <bluesabre> sure thing
[16:01] <ochosi> i need more native speakers ;)
[16:02] <bluesabre> I'll probably use that function's python version in catfish
[16:02] <bluesabre> seems nice
[16:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: humm, somehow it doesn't work
[16:17] <ochosi> calling g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri (notify_log_path, NULL, NULL);
[16:17] <ochosi> with a valid log_path
[16:22] <bluesabre> ochosi, using uri?
[16:22] <bluesabre> file://
[16:24] <ochosi> oh
[16:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks for the hint, that works :)
[16:26] <bluesabre> ochosi, awesome!
[16:31] <ochosi> ...and pushed
[16:32] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure what's going on (maybe zesty) but I've pulled, distcleaned, rebuilt and still get the set things up, close then when it's re-opened - all are set to muted
[16:37] <flocculant> back tomorrow
[16:44] <ochosi> flocculant: you may need to clear the "muted_applications" setting in xfce4-settings-editor
[16:44] <ochosi> it was corrupted by the previous bug
[16:45] <ochosi> (i had to do that in order to fix it for myself)
[19:48] <flocculant> ochosi: that did it - thanks - back to testing it for you/me/us :p
[20:21] <ochosi> flocculant: nice :)
[20:25] <ochosi> flocculant: one more thing: changing strings means putting work to translators, so i usually am a little conservative about that
[20:31] <knome> hello
[20:40] <ochosi> hey knome
[20:41] <knome> hai ochosi
[20:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: what about renaming xfpanel-switch to something like "xfce panel layouts" or "xfce panel layouts manager" (in the UI at least and maybe in the desktop file)
[21:12] <bluesabre> ochosi, that sounds pretty reasonable to me
[21:12] <ochosi> plus i guess it would be a good idea to add an icon
[21:12] <ochosi> even if it's a copy of the panel icon
[21:13] <bluesabre> sounds fine to me
[21:13] <bluesabre> it's a simple utility app, no need for a special icon
[21:15] <ochosi> i wonder whether we should keep the name of the icon though
[21:15] <ochosi> cause that may cause packaging conflicts
[21:16] <bluesabre> it would, so it will look out of place until xfce icon themes get symlinks
[21:16] <bluesabre> we can submit patches where we care to :)
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, guess so
[21:19] <bluesabre> I'll try to tackle that soon
[21:21] <ochosi> if you wanna update the makefile, i've already handled the rest
[21:22] <ochosi> but: do you also wanna rename the executable/desktop file itself?
[21:22] <ochosi> i.e. the project
[21:22] <ochosi> from xfpanel-switch to something more reasonable like "xfce4-panel-layouts" or something?
[21:22] <ochosi> or "xfce4-panel-layouts-manager"
[21:22] <ochosi> (even if it's a little long, at least it's clear)
[21:23] <bluesabre> probably not, it's already packaged in fedora/ubuntu (and maybe others)
[21:24] <ochosi> k, then i guess the icon also has to be xfpanel-switch
[21:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xfpanel-switch/dedicated_icon/+merge/314286
[22:06] <flocculant> ochosi: I understand strings/translators - which is why I'm usually ok with us having bizarre wording - on the other hand - this is rather a big change to notifications - so surely 'now' would be a sensible time to change something?
[22:07] <flocculant> and really - now that it does what it does - it is no longer setting up screen notifications - but a lot more
[22:10] <flocculant> and I'm still not convinced by your argument re muting :)
[22:14] <flocculant> ochosi: on the logging tab, the log applications - how about visible instead of muted?
[22:14] <flocculant> the wording logic would need to swap though
[22:14] <ochosi> humm
[22:15] <ochosi> (and yeah, ofc now is the best time to change the wording, that's another reason why i work in a separate branch not to disturb translators all the time)
[22:15] <flocculant> yea :)
[22:15] <ochosi> visible...
[22:16] <ochosi> before we get more into wording
[22:16] <flocculant> ochosi: so my thinking is - on Application tab - we talk about apps we see or don't show notification
[22:16]  * flocculant waits
[22:16] <ochosi> do you think a notification log counter is something that is needed?
[22:16] <ochosi> like the amount of notifications that are in the log
[22:17] <ochosi> currently i've set an implicit limit in the dialog to only show the first 100 items
[22:17] <ochosi> because with all the widgets there it may become excessive
[22:17] <flocculant> I don't think it would add much to it's usability
[22:17] <ochosi> no idea whether that will be efficient or not
[22:17] <ochosi> yeah, i could also show a warning saying that not all notifications in the log are shown
[22:18] <flocculant> would a popup on the current open log in editor button work?
[22:19] <flocculant> something like 'Show full log in text'
[22:19] <ochosi> a popup?
[22:19] <flocculant> the mouseover text
[22:19] <ochosi> you mean a tooltip
[22:19] <flocculant> yea
[22:19] <ochosi> yeah, but a tooltip is already there
[22:19] <flocculant> I know that :)
[22:19] <ochosi> i just wanna make the users aware that there is a limit and that it has been hit
[22:20] <ochosi> that was my thinking
[22:20] <ochosi> the tooltip is not the most discoverable place for that
[22:20] <ochosi> so i considered adding a line
[22:20] <flocculant> true
[22:20] <ochosi> at the bottom of the log
[22:20] <flocculant> x/xxx logs showing?
[22:21] <flocculant> ochosi: could you have the open log button in the same horizontal plane?
[22:21] <flocculant> leaving the refresh/clear buttons at the very bottom?
[22:22] <ochosi> i'll try something, give me a sec
[22:22] <flocculant> something like x/xxx logs showing *button* for opening log in editor?
[22:25] <flocculant> one day I'll make more effort how to fiddle about with bits like this :)
[22:26] <flocculant> not effort - learning ;)
[22:27] <ochosi> hm i think i need to fix some stuff there
[22:27] <ochosi> the limit doesn't seem to work
[22:27] <flocculant> I'd happily put effort in - no idea where to start though lol
[22:27] <ochosi> will have to do that another day though, too tired tonight..
[22:27] <ochosi> yeah, usually start with a small bug
[22:27] <flocculant> :)
[22:27] <ochosi> get familiar with the code of a small component, etc
[22:27] <flocculant> like words :p
[22:28] <flocculant> what's gtkinspector? is that what it sounds like it should be?
[22:30] <flocculant> for instance - if I worked out how to do the wording - I could (I assume) change the code locally, build it and not have to scribble on bits of paper and scan it :D
[22:30]  * flocculant will look while you're asleep ;)
[22:31] <ochosi> ok, this would be a start: http://i.imgur.com/etowHY6.png
[22:31] <ochosi> if you wanna play with wording etc install glade and then edit the file in xfce4-notifyd-config/xfce4-notifyd-config.glade
[22:31] <ochosi> that's really easy
[22:32]  * flocculant did install glade a few weeks ago - trying to work things out
[22:32] <flocculant> ok - I will look tomorrow then \o/
[22:32] <flocculant> thanks ochosi
[22:33] <flocculant> oh boo - that screenshot reminds me
[22:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: parole and 'some' media files ... bug 1650038
[22:35] <flocculant> oh - I think I pinged you about that ... sorry for the repeat lol
[22:36] <ochosi> moving the "open in external editor" button to the "showing .." line would be easy
[22:39] <flocculant> ochosi: then that would make more sense to me at least, 'You've got to 99 of 100 log entries, read the full log in text 'Button'
[22:39] <flocculant> or something that's not quite so long to read
[22:39] <flocculant> :p
[22:39] <ochosi> yeah :)
[22:39] <ochosi> i'll push what i have
[22:39] <flocculant> okey doke
[22:39] <ochosi> because then at least things work as they should and there is some notification about the limit
[22:39] <flocculant> yup
[22:40] <ochosi> ok done
[22:40] <flocculant> ochosi: just so you know - I'm quite adamant about losing the customise how notifications statement - makes 66% of sense :)
[22:40] <ochosi> gotta get some sleep
[22:40] <flocculant> yea - night night :)
[22:41] <ochosi> yeah, i considered renaming the whole thing
[22:41] <ochosi> just "Notification Center"
[22:41] <ochosi> no subtitle
[22:41] <flocculant> That would work
[22:41] <ochosi> or even just "Notifications" to spare the translators some work
[22:41] <ochosi> but the subtitle really doesn't make too much sense, i agree
[22:42] <flocculant> yea - losing it completely wouldn't be bad imho
[22:42] <flocculant> and just having Notifications works too
[22:42] <flocculant> go to sleep :D
[22:42] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/QEEImGP.png
[22:43] <ochosi> yup
[22:43] <ochosi> will do now
[22:43] <ochosi> looks a bit "naked" without a subtitle though
[22:43] <ochosi> anyway, nighty ;)
[22:52] <flocculant> anyone - got some odd libxfce4ui issue going on > http://i.imgur.com/uNfE6ni.png
[22:53] <flocculant> I think that's why I stopped looking lol


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[00:18] <Ionic> hey, I'm looking for the repository that holds the scripts that are used to build the official images served by releases.ubuntu.com
[00:23] <infinity> Ionic: It's a muddy and complicated pipe of live-build (via livecd-rootfs) in launchpad-buildd, published by launchpad, followed by debian-cd, wrapped in cdimage.
[00:23] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs
[00:23] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build
[00:23] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd
[00:23] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/launchpad
[00:23] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[00:23] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline
[00:24] <Ionic> thanks infinity
[00:26] <cyphermox> hmm, means I can retire this space heater. yay
[00:28] <infinity> They make nice end tables.
[00:29] <cyphermox> kind of heavy
[00:29] <infinity> You move your end tables frequently?
[00:29] <cyphermox> yup
[00:29] <cyphermox> from end to end.
[00:29] <infinity> Weirdo.
[00:30] <cyphermox> sometimes I make forts, too
[00:30] <infinity> A good blanket fort required heavy objects to weigh down the corners.
[00:30] <infinity> s/required/requires/
[00:31] <cyphermox> heh
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[09:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ukui-indicators [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:08] <handsome_feng> Hi, Could someone in release team help to accept the FFe request: bug: #1663477, we need the FFe acked, Thank you!
[09:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vala (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.34.6-1 => 0.34.7-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[09:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-desktop-environment [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-desktop-environment [amd64] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.0] (no packageset)
[09:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-menu [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-desktop-environment [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0]
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-session-manager [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-session-manager [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-session-manager [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-session-manager [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-session-manager [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-session-manager [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-screensaver [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-screensaver [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-screensaver [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-screensaver [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-screensaver [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-screensaver [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:56] <caribou> Hi, when doing an SRU to a specific release, what's the rule regarding other releases ? i.e. if the but has been raised on Xenial, should Yakkety be systematically SRUed as well ?
[09:57] <sil2100> caribou: hey, the fix should generally be targetted for all currently ongoing releases that the bug affects
[09:58] <sil2100> Generally
[09:58] <caribou> sil2100: ok, wasn't sure. I vaguely remember being told to only fix the release in which the bug was brought up
[09:59] <caribou> sil2100: but makes more sense to fix it everywhere
[10:01] <cpaelzer> Hi release (and SRU in particular) experts - I have uploaded a Yakkety libvirt SRU last week which is still in unapproved. Now I have the next Yakkety SRU ready, would it make sense to combine them?
[10:02] <cpaelzer> and if yes what would be the right way to do so - reject one but accept the other which includes the first?
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (zesty-proposed/main) [2.5.0-3ubuntu4 => 2.5.0-3ubuntu5] (ubuntu-server, virt) (sync)
[10:06] <cpaelzer> which not to be confused is a different one than the one just popping up on z-p unapproved :-)
[10:13] <caribou> cpaelzer: my pick would be to ask for rejection of the previous one & bundle both together
[10:13] <caribou> but I'm not an expert
[10:13] <caribou> just playing one on T.V.
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-dvb-daemon [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1:0.2.91~git20170110-2]
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-dvb-daemon [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1:0.2.91~git20170110-2]
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-dvb-daemon [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1:0.2.91~git20170110-2]
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-getting-started-docs [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-1ubuntu1]
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0+git20160825.89.7fb22c8-1]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0+git20160825.89.7fb22c8-1]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0+git20160825.89.7fb22c8-1]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-dvb-daemon [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1:0.2.91~git20170110-2]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-dvb-daemon [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1:0.2.91~git20170110-2]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0+git20160825.89.7fb22c8-1]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-dvb-daemon [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1:0.2.91~git20170110-2]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0+git20160825.89.7fb22c8-1]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0+git20160825.89.7fb22c8-1]
[10:53] <infinity> caribou: Depends on the nature of the bug.  If it's purely cosmetic/"polish", then it might be acceptable to only fix it in an LTS, and the devel series.
[10:54] <infinity> caribou: But any actual, y'know, bug (ie: broken behaviour), if you fix it in X, but not Y, people upgrading from X to Y suffer a regression, which is Tres Wrong.
[10:54] <caribou> infinity: k
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-defaults-ports (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.160ubuntu1 => 1.166ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-defaults (zesty-proposed/main) [1.165ubuntu3 => 1.166ubuntu1] (core)
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-defaults-ports [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.166ubuntu1]
[11:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-defaults [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.166ubuntu1]
[11:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-defaults-ports [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.166ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-defaults-ports [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.166ubuntu1]
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: yaml-cpp (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.5.2-4 => 0.5.2-4ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yaml-cpp [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-4ubuntu1]
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected gnome-games-app [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.23.91-0ubuntu1]
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected retro-gtk [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.9.91-0ubuntu1]
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: swarmkit [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1] (no packageset)
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: swarmkit [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1] (no packageset)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: swarmkit [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1] (no packageset)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: swarmkit [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1] (no packageset)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected libvirt [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.1.0-1ubuntu9.2]
[13:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: swarmkit [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1] (no packageset)
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: swarmkit [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (yakkety-proposed/main) [2.1.0-1ubuntu9.1 => 2.1.0-1ubuntu9.3] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-system-monitor (zesty-proposed/main) [3.23.92-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:08] <jbicha> I still have several GNOME 3.23.92>3.24.0 uploads to do. Since GNOME was in code freeze, many of these are just a version bump and translation updates
[13:09] <jbicha> I don't need them in for Final Beta, but it's not a problem if I upload them to zesty now, right?
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: horizon (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 2:9.1.1-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: notmuch (zesty-proposed/main) [0.23.7-1ubuntu1 => 0.23.7-2ubuntu1] (core)
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> little upstream fix for notmuch ^^ two lines changed
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cgroup-lite (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.11 => 1.11ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[13:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ukui-control-center (zesty-proposed/primary) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-control-center [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-control-center [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-control-center [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-control-center [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-control-center [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-control-center [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (zesty-proposed/main) [17.0.1-1ubuntu1 => 17.0.2-1ubuntu1] (core, xorg)
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-control-center [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [amd64] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [s390x] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [i386] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
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[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ukui-indicators (zesty-proposed/primary) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [arm64] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-indicators [amd64] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-indicators [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-indicators [i386] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-indicators [arm64] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-indicators [armhf] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-indicators [s390x] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (yakkety-proposed/main) [2.435.1 => 2.435.2] (desktop-core)
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peony [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-indicators [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cross-toolchain-base-ports (zesty-proposed/universe) [5ubuntu1 => 10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cross-toolchain-base (zesty-proposed/main) [12ubuntu1 => 17ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cross-toolchain-base-ports [source] (zesty-proposed) [10ubuntu1]
[15:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cross-toolchain-base [source] (zesty-proposed) [17ubuntu1]
[15:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: gnome-games-app (zesty-proposed/primary) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[15:30] <jbicha> feel free to reject the older gnome-games-app from zesty/new
[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-6 (zesty-proposed/main) [6.3.0-9ubuntu2 => 6.3.0-10ubuntu1] (core)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-6 [source] (zesty-proposed) [6.3.0-10ubuntu1]
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-chess (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:3.22.0-1 => 1:3.22.0-1ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (xenial-proposed/main) [2.408.8 => 2.408.9] (desktop-core)
[15:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: peony (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu3 => 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted peony [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: smplayer-themes (zesty-proposed/universe) [1:16.8.0-1 => 1:17.2.0-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: smplayer (zesty-proposed/universe) [17.2.0~ds0-1 => 17.3.0~ds0-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept them ^^ they have to go with the same major versioning, and themes were outdated :)
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> (not a big deal probably if they are out of sync, but there are two themes added or something like that)
[16:43] <caribou> sil2100: fine then
[16:43] <caribou> any archive admin in the room ? I've uploaded nfs-utils to Zesty on friday and I see no trace of it; should I just re-upload ?
[16:44] <caribou> problem is that nfs-utils is seeded
[16:44] <cjwatson> lp_queue/process-upload.log-20170319.gz:2017-03-17 13:51:14 INFO    Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20170317-135044-001652/ubuntu/nfs-utils_1.2.8-9.2ubuntu2_source.changes': GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20170317-135044-001652/ubuntu/nfs-utils_1.2.8-9.2ubuntu2_source.changes failed: Verification failed ...
[16:44] <cjwatson> ... 3 times: ["(7, 58, u'No data')", "(7, 58, u'No data')", "(7, 58, u'No data')"]
[16:44] <cjwatson> you should check that you actually signed the upload, and then reupload
[16:45] <cjwatson> (it's also possible it was a transient keyserver failure)
[16:45] <caribou> cjwatson: thanks for checking, I'll double-check the sig & re-upload
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nfs-utils (zesty-proposed/main) [1:1.2.8-9.2ubuntu1 => 1:1.2.8-9.2ubuntu2] (core)
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdk-pixbuf (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-1 => 2.36.5-3] (core) (sync)
[16:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnocchi (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 3.1.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnocchi [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.1.2-0ubuntu1]
[17:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: protobuf (zesty-proposed/main) [3.0.0-9ubuntu1 => 3.0.0-9ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.4.0-69.90~14.04.1] (kernel)
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cheese (zesty-proposed/main) [3.22.1-1ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-backgrounds (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.23.91-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, ubuntugnome)
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-boxes (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-calculator (zesty-proposed/main) [1:3.23.92-0ubuntu1 => 1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-clocks (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.23.90-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[18:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-desktop3 (zesty-proposed/main) [3.23.90-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cups-filters (zesty-proposed/main) [1.13.4-1 => 1.13.4-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-mines (zesty-proposed/main) [1:3.23.91-0ubuntu1 => 1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-online-accounts (zesty-proposed/main) [3.23.92-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gtksourceview3 (zesty-proposed/main) [3.23.91-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lightsoff (zesty-proposed/universe) [1:3.22.2-1 => 1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[18:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: swell-foop (zesty-proposed/universe) [1:3.22.2-1 => 1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[18:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zenity (zesty-proposed/main) [3.22.0-1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[19:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-initial-setup (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.23.92-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntugnome)
[19:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evolution-data-server (zesty-proposed/main) [3.22.6-1ubuntu1 => 3.22.7-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[20:16] <rbasak> Tomorrow is my SRU rota day, but I'd like to participate in the server team's bug squashing party. Anybody up for a swap?
[20:16] <rbasak> Or else I might try and juggle both tasks somehow.
[21:00] <apw> rbasak: there will be other people around. i do some bits most days. go to your bug squashing party!
[21:06] <bdmurray> rbasak: I can help or swap.
[21:07] <bdmurray> slangasek: So what can we do about getting aptdaemon released to zesty / yakkety for bug 1623856?
[21:08] <bdmurray> It's held up for zesty due to autopkgtest regressions
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdk-pixbuf [sync] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.0.2-1ubuntu1]
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted smplayer-themes [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1:17.2.0-1]
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vala [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.34.7-1]
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [sync] (zesty-proposed) [2.5.0-3ubuntu5]
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted smplayer [sync] (zesty-proposed) [17.3.0~ds0-1]
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted protobuf [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.0.0-9ubuntu2]
[21:12] <slangasek> bdmurray: is it a regression vs. the version in zesty release?
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cheese [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-system-monitor [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted notmuch [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.23.7-2ubuntu1]
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-backgrounds [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nfs-utils [source] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.2.8-9.2ubuntu2]
[21:13] <slangasek> bdmurray: I see the zesty version is marked 'badtest', we should do the same for the zesty-proposed version
[21:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: I thought barry talked about it being abandoned etc
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-3] (core)
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [s390x] (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-3] (core)
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cups-filters [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.13.4-1ubuntu1]
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-calculator [source] (zesty-proposed) [1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-desktop3 [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-boxes [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-mines [source] (zesty-proposed) [1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-clocks [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-3] (core)
[21:16] <slangasek> bdmurray: yeah, if barry had checked the hints files, he would've seen this is not a regression.  Hinted now
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [i386] (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-3] (core)
[21:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: ack, thanks I'll do the work for yakkety
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [arm64] (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-3] (core)
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution-data-server [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.22.7-0ubuntu1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-online-accounts [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lightsoff [source] (zesty-proposed) [1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zenity [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-initial-setup [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted swell-foop [source] (zesty-proposed) [1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gtksourceview3 [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted swarmkit [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted swarmkit [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted swarmkit [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted swarmkit [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted swarmkit [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted swarmkit [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.12.0+git20170111.763.296fcfcf-1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected gnome-games-app [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.23.91-0ubuntu1]
[21:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gdk-pixbuf [armhf] (zesty-proposed/main) [2.36.5-3] (core)
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gdk-pixbuf [i386] (zesty-proposed) [2.36.5-3]
[21:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: aptdaemon (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu16 => 1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu16.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glibc (zesty-proposed/main) [2.24-9ubuntu1 => 2.24-9ubuntu2] (core)
[21:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glibc [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.24-9ubuntu2]
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-chess (zesty-proposed/universe) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 => 1:3.24.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[22:13] <jbicha> please unblock gdk-pixbuf 2.36.5-3 for zesty
[22:14] <jbicha> oh, it's held up by glib2.0's failing autopkgtests anyway
[22:16] <jbicha> let me merge in Debian's latest libsecret test hack…
[22:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libsecret (zesty-proposed/main) [0.18.5-2ubuntu2 => 0.18.5-3.1ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[22:31] <jbicha> well the gdk-pixbuf bug doesn't affect installation so maybe I'll just release-note it
[22:41] <tsimonq2> infinity: You have multiple relevant hats so I thought I might ask... does Core Dev automatically get ~ubuntu-sru-developers ?
[22:43] <infinity> tsimonq2: Given that ~ubuntu-sru-developers has existed for a day, and I wasn't involved in the creation, I have no idea what it's even meant to be.
[22:44] <wxl> infinity: but DUDE that's 24 *HOURS* XD
[22:44] <infinity> tsimonq2: But it looks like it's a subset of core-dev's permissions.
[22:46] <tsimonq2> infinity: Ah ok
[23:00] <jbicha> please badtest ostree, no clue why its autopkgtest passed yesterday for the first time ever in Ubuntu but fails today
[23:02] <infinity> jbicha: Better option, could it not run the test that appears to break on network oddities (or be fixed to work in that environment)?
[23:03] <infinity> jbicha: But concur that it doesn't appear to be a regression, so will badtest that version for now.
[23:04] <jbicha> it's basically synced with Debian, so I'd have to ask smcv about that
[23:04] <infinity> Well, it's not ostree that't the problem, it's gnome-desktop-testing
[23:04] <infinity> Which might be Simon's too.
[23:05] <infinity> But yeah.  Should look into why that's full of hate.
[23:05] <infinity> Or maybe it's the ostree g-d-t tests.  I dunno.
[23:06] <infinity> Very curious that it passed briefly on 3 arches, though.
[23:06] <infinity> I wonder what we did to our infra yesterday. :P
[23:14] <doko> infinity: please could you override the failing linux autopkg test for binutils and gcc-6 and unblock them? somebody did that already with the last version this weekend
[23:17] <infinity> doko: After the beta, yeah.
[23:17] <doko> ohh, this week already ...
[23:18] <infinity> Time flies, and we're getting old.
[23:18] <infinity> Well, you're getting older. :P


[00:22] <lo33_odt_readonl> I have a .odt file that wont let me edit it. using LibreOffice 3.3.4 on Ubuntu 11.04 Natty
[00:22] <lo33_odt_readonl> i get the pop up "Readonly content cannot be changed. No modifications will be accepted
[00:22] <lo33_odt_readonl> when i type
[00:24] <lo33_odt_readonl> anyone?
[07:04] <head_victim> blahdeblah: ping
[07:04] <blahdeblah> pong
[07:04] <head_victim> pm ok?
[07:04] <blahdeblah> yep
[11:53] <sagaci> jaddi27, ping
[11:54] <jaddi27> sagaci, Hi
[11:54] <jaddi27> Good to see that the column sorting on the translations page finally works, even if it is only sorting the rows on that page
[11:55] <sagaci> under the Currently unused language packs, you wouldn't know how to get the latest (the top delta) language pack
[11:55] <sagaci> from https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+language-packs
[11:56] <sagaci> in the form http://launchpadlibrarian.net/NUMBER/*update.tar.gz
[11:56] <sagaci> by determining the latest (highest number) through a bash script
[11:57] <jaddi27> I could probably write a script to sort them out
[11:57] <jaddi27> i am better with python than bash though, if that is alright
[11:57] <jaddi27> or php
[11:57] <sagaci> sure, it's just that I can do it manually but I'd rather have it done periodically and automagically
[11:58] <sagaci> such as: http://paste.ubuntu.com/836445/
[12:00] <jaddi27> i should be able to do one up. give be a bit of time to get it right though
[12:00] <jaddi27> i have a script to get the number of untranslated and total strings as well, which i want to deploy to my website to have stats on translations
[12:00] <sagaci> that's ok, no rush, it's just that the langpack are generated somewhat randomly and it's a guess as to when the next one is out
[12:01] <jaddi27> ah, ok. it shouldn't take too long i think
[12:01] <sagaci> and if you want to check for mistake strings, it's important that the latest pack is used
[12:02] <sagaci> and is there some way to check if the remote file, +latest-language-pack has changed?
[12:03] <sagaci> wait a sec, I'll try google first
[12:03] <sagaci> while the url stays the same
[12:04] <dns53> there is an option of wget to fetch if newer
[12:04] <sagaci> ah yep
[12:05] <jaddi27> that might do it then
[12:07] <jaddi27> how is the latest unused pack different to the latest pack?
[12:07] <sagaci> latest delta is a subset of the packages that have been changed since the last base pack
[12:08] <sagaci> the latest unused is for merging with the deltas,
[12:08] <jaddi27> ok
[12:10] <sagaci> check once every 48hrs, download the latest delta if available, tar it up into a 8-9mb file and then upload the public server, rather than having to download both packs on different machines and chew through ~850mb each time
[12:11] <dns53> isn't it in version control anyway?
[12:13] <sagaci> no
[13:38] <jaddi27> sagaci, I think I nearly have a working script. I will finish it off tomorrow and send it to you
[13:43] <jaddi27> sagaci, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/836543/
[13:43] <jaddi27> hope it works alright. you will need to install the python-beautifulsoup package before you run it