[05:29] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: Apple disagrees with you too. :P
[05:29] <mako> davux: i'll do that this week
[05:30] <mako> davux: so if you ordered and got in on the secon shipment, it will show up
[05:30] <davux> mako: great
[05:30] <mako> davux: but we're shiping every two weeks now and shipping times fluxuate greatly
[05:30] <mako> based  don where you are and such
[05:30] <mako> expect 4-6 weeks
[05:30] <mako> if you're lucky, it could be be much less
[05:30] <davux> I'm located in Paris, France
[05:30] <Amaranth> mako: So where do I email to? :)
[05:30] <mako> Amaranth<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:31] <Amaranth> that should have been obvious :)
[05:31] <mako> Amaranth: :)
[05:31] <marsjays> anyone know a good gnome-based tool for exploring windows networks, locating shared resources etc?
[05:31] <Amaranth> marsjays: Computer -> Network?
[05:32] <davux> marsjays: I could say for KDE if it can suit you
[05:32] <davux> or at least qt-based
[05:32] <ChibiFS> bob2- The root account can't be accessed by daemons by default, the user can. Suppose someone installed sshd on accident, it now starts with their computer. :/.. Outside users have root access because the password that they used to log in is the same that they use to root. Ubuntu /is/ built for the end user, not the security guru who knows to navigate his system. :/
[05:33] <davux> mako: thanks for your help
[05:33] <mako> davux: no problem
[05:33] <marsjays> Amaranth: oh, thanks! i've been a debian user for the last five or so years, not used to things being easy to use >:)
[05:33] <bob2> ChibiFS: what does " The root account can't be accessed by daemons by default, the user can." mean?
[05:33] <bob2> ChibiFS: and ssh in Debian allows root to log in remotely
[05:33] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: The 'security guru' would enable the root account and disable sudo if it mattered that much to them.
[05:33] <mako> ChibiFS: installed sshd by accident? :)
[05:33] <mako> ChibiFS: whoops!
[05:33] <ChibiFS> No, mako.
[05:33] <Ng> ChibiFS: if you can log into a linux box as a user you have root even without sudo
[05:33] <bob2> ChibiFS: and how many end users install openssh-server?
[05:34] <Ng> the kernel is full of local root sploits
[05:34] <Amaranth> Ng: Prove it.
[05:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ng: amem
[05:34] <__learner__> tx a lot and good bye
[05:34] <bdale> live boot cd for powerpc?
[05:34] <bob2> if you know of any atm, you're on vendorsec, since they're not public :)
[05:34] <__learner__> Ill install it now
[05:34] <bob2> bdale: not yet
[05:34] <Ng> Amaranth: seriously, go search bugtraq for local linux exploits, there's been a bunch in the last few years and they are just the ones we know about
[05:34] <bob2> bdale: well, the install cd is bootable, but not live :)
[05:34] <ChibiFS> I'm not having problems myself, I'm just a little.. worried about users who don't know their way around. :/
[05:34] <Amaranth> Ng: Yeah, and they get fixed too.
[05:35] <Ng> Amaranth: "the ones we know about"
[05:35] <mako> bdale: soonish :)
[05:35] <Amaranth> Ng: Someone who knows the ones we don't know about deserves to get into my system.
[05:35] <davux> bye all !
[05:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> Dammmm Ive ordered my CDs november 28, no shipping for me!
[05:35] <ChibiFS> Anyway, I'm just paranoid. :P
[05:36] <Ng> Amaranth: I'm just saying that it's never safe to assume any kind of remote access to a system is safe, because it's not :)
[05:36] <bdale> mako: I'm going to be at my parent's at Christmas, and they're having CAT-5-level networking problems in the house.  be easier to diagnose/test if I could boot real OS on their powerbooks ... ergo my interest.
[05:36] <Amaranth> Of course not, thats why Ubuntu opens 0 ports by default.
[05:36] <ChibiFS> How about... 1936?  :P
[05:38] <ChibiFS> Gaim opens it to communicate on MSN. xD
[05:38] <Amaranth> bleh
[05:38] <mako> bdale: if only there were some ubuntu developers around.... :)
[05:38] <ChibiFS> I'm just being silly now, you know. :P
[05:38] <Amaranth> Wait, as a server?
[05:39] <Amaranth> Oh, duh.
[05:39] <ChibiFS> Yes, so you can send and receive messages on the msn protocol, nut. :P
[05:39] <Amaranth> They hand off the connection to the clients to deal with. /me is stupid
[05:39] <ChibiFS> That's microsoft for ya.
[05:40] <Amaranth> No, that's a good design.
[05:40] <bdale> mako: always a problem, 'eh?
[05:40] <Amaranth> Not something I'd expect from them. :P
[05:40] <ChibiFS> Come on now, if it has microsoft in the name, it screams security hole.
[05:41] <Amaranth> I'm sure it does some silly things when talking to Xbox Live
[05:42] <ChibiFS> Yeah, They're probably safe, though. Can't mess up much more than savegames and disc rips on an xbox.
[05:42] <Amaranth> Spam zombie.
[05:43] <Amaranth> I might have just been setting things up wrong but the Xbox I was toying with needed a direct connection to DSL or Cable.
[05:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> LOL I'm reading os wars board in OSNews damm funny
[05:43] <ChibiFS> That's assuming someone gets ahold of a compiler for xbox binaries? :/
[05:43] <Amaranth> I couldn't use a hub.
[05:43] <ChibiFS> I'm no xbox supporter, I hate it.  I thought they'd use something unique. D:
[05:44] <Amaranth> Nah.
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> Amaranth:Imho intel hired blind and deaf enginners
[05:44] <Amaranth> And all three nextgen consoles are going to use POWER or PowerPC chips. :)
[05:45] <Amaranth> _|Imanewbie|_: The design of the Pentium Pro was copied from DEC, I heard.
[05:45] <ChibiFS> Now now, who needs a next generation console? I'm good off with my playstation 2. :D
[05:45] <ChibiFS> And Dreamcast, yummy.
[05:45] <daniels> offtopic, guys.
[05:45] <Amaranth> PPro is more of less the same as P2, P3, and PM and it's the only good CPU they've ever made. :P
[05:45] <Amaranth> daniels: Sorry.
[05:46] <Amaranth> So, does anyone here use Muine?
[05:46] <Amaranth> I started using it today and fell in love.
[05:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> Brenching back to the point I was deffending
[05:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ubuntu rox on his propouse
[05:47] <ChibiFS> Muine is okay, I perfer MPD, though. I wish something else would do the album cover lookups like muine does, though.
[05:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> And you can disable the unliked features. So it is great.
[05:49] <Amaranth> MPD?
[05:50] <Amaranth> hah, BitchX quit messages are awesome
[05:52] <ChibiFS> music player daemon. Sits in the backround, holds a playlist, fades in and out and such... really low memory, lots of controls.
[05:54] <ChibiFS> 2.4 megs of ram with my full music collection in queue
[06:00] <alexissoft> hi
[06:01] <mousematt> hi alexissoft
[06:05] <KING```> hello all , i need help
[06:06] <rodi> KING```:  don't we all ;)
[06:06] <KING```> after i have installed k3b and bittornado-gui , and i can't find now the programs, where they have been installed ?
[06:06] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[06:07] <ChibiFS> KING- That's because Ubuntu was silly and killed off the debian menu D:
[06:07] <bob2> it'd be good if you could be less neative
[06:07] <bob2> er, negative
[06:08] <bob2> even as a 'joke'
[06:08] <quique> They should be on /usr/bin
[06:08] <ChibiFS> Hehe. :/
[06:08] <magneto> King k3b is in /usr/bin
[06:08] <KING```> and bittornad-gui ?
[06:08] <magneto> probably the same place
[06:09] <bob2> dpkg -L buttornado-gui | grep bin
[06:09] <magneto> ls /usr/bin/bit*
[06:09] <bob2> magneto: no
[06:09] <bob2> they start with 'bt'
[06:09] <magneto> bob2: he obviously isnt "there"
[06:09] <bob2> ?
[06:10] <FlopsyPete> hi. where Debian by default doesn't seem to be honed for 'naive user desktop use', in my opinion, in that you need to make yourself a member of 'sound' and 'cdrom' groups to watch a DVD and play music, and CDs have to be manually mounted, is this where Ubuntu is supposedly honed for this kindof use?
[06:10] <ChibiFS> buttornado? :P
[06:10] <bob2> FlopsyPete: that's one feature ubuntu has
[06:10] <KING```> but how i start it ?
[06:11] <bob2> KING```: you need to read the manpage for the program you want to run, in this case
[06:11] <bob2> btlaunchgui is the name of the program, if I remembver correctly
[06:11] <KING```> but I cand't find it
[06:11] <FlopsyPete> bob2: cool.  what about scanners and printers connected at install time, does it setup CUPS and SANE too?
[06:12] <bob2> dpkg -L bittornado-gui | grep bin
[06:12] <magneto> Applications--->Run Application..  type the name of the program you want to run
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin/btcompletedirgui.bittornado
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin/btmaketorrentgui
[06:13] <bob2> there you go
[06:13] <KING```> ?
[06:13] <magneto> king - either from a terminal type  /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado or use run applications from the applications menu
[06:13] <thenuke> should ubuntu have cd-copier?
[06:14] <KING```> how can i start it from terminal type ?
[06:15] <magneto> KING: you can also make a "shortcut" to whatever program you want, try right clicking on a panel or menu-  from a terminal $/path/to/program/program
[06:16] <magneto> open a terminal
[06:16] <KING```> yes... ??
[06:16] <KING```> and ?
[06:16] <magneto> type this
[06:17] <KING```> ok
[06:17] <magneto> /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[06:17] <magneto> then hit enter
[06:18] <KING```>  Error: can't delete user configuration file '/home/artur69/.BitTorrent' (error 2: No such file or directory)
[06:18] <KING```> it has opened a window
[06:19] <magneto> next time go the Applications menu and click "run applications" and type in the name of the program you want to run
[06:19] <magneto> bob2: thats what I meant by not "there"
[06:20] <KING```> Cannot display location 'file://bittornado'
[06:20] <magneto> King: is the window open and working?
[06:21] <FlopsyPete> bob2: does Ubuntu automagically configure scanners and printers connected at install time?
[06:21] <KING```> no magneto
[06:21] <magneto> Flopsypete- no
[06:21] <KING```> that window was with folders
[06:22] <magneto> KING: close all that stuff
[06:22] <xeph> Hey everyone. I recently bought a new usb ISDN modem. When I plug it in, 'dmesg' outputs quite a lot of information and afaik, it loads the drivers for it. What I'm having a problem with is finding out which port it was allocated. Help please!
[06:22] <FlopsyPete> magento: thanks
[06:22] <bob2> FlopsyPete: I don't know, I don't have any of them
[06:22] <FlopsyPete> (sorry, magneto)
[06:22] <bob2> FlopsyPete: cups should just work with prints, tho
[06:22] <KING```> i have closed it
[06:23] <FlopsyPete> ok
[06:23] <magneto> Flopyspete: the gnome printer config app works good and will see your printer on LP
[06:23] <magneto> KING: do you see the little foot in the upper right hand corner?
[06:23] <magneto> upper left
[06:23] <magneto> my bad
[06:24] <Shufla> hello :):)
[06:24] <KING```> yes magneto
[06:25] <magneto> click where it says Applications
[06:25] <KING```> yes
[06:25] <magneto> at the bottom see where it says "Run Application"
[06:25] <KING```> yes yes
[06:25] <magneto> click that
[06:25] <KING```> ok
[06:25] <Shufla> Fresh Hoary array-1 CD install :>
[06:25] <magneto> in the blank field type the name of the program you want to run
[06:26] <KING```> bittornado
[06:26] <magneto> but that isnt the name of the file that runs the program
[06:26] <magneto> get it
[06:26] <thenuke> ARGH. X-CD-Roast says that I need to enable SCSI-support in kernel if I want to use IDE-CD's
[06:26] <KING```> how ?
[06:27] <bob2> xcdroast is broken then
[06:27] <magneto> remember what you just found in /usr/bin/ ?
[06:27] <thenuke> bob2: what would be an easy to use CD-copier :I
[06:27] <thenuke> bob2: need it for my sister
[06:27] <kent> thenuke, use k3b, it works better.
[06:27] <bob2> I don't know
[06:27] <magneto> thenuke k3b
[06:27] <bob2> k3b has it's own issues
[06:27] <KING```> yes
[06:27] <thenuke> I will try that
[06:28] <KING```> ok i have found it
[06:28] <magneto> King:  then press that button that says run
[06:28] <KING```> yes it works
[06:28] <FlopsyPete> I'm just trying to get a feel for how self configured Ubuntu is as I'm currently learning to setup such things in Debian for desktop users
[06:29] <magneto> KING: congrats
[06:31] <KING```> thanks
[06:32] <thenuke> aaand, there are non-free HSF-modem drivers available but what might that non-free mean :o  I would have to pay for them?
[06:32] <jono> what is a modeline?
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> jono?
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> jono bacon?
[06:32] <jono> RuffianSoldier, yep
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> HEY!
[06:32] <jono> hi
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> I love the mag
[06:32] <thenuke> I found from the web some hsf-modem drivers which I would have need to pay to get them fully working, so I thought this might be the same case then
[06:32] <jono> which one?
[06:33] <RuffianSoldier> LXF
[06:33] <jono> oh cheers :)
[06:33] <RuffianSoldier> I talk to Mike Saunders sometimes at #syllable
[06:33] <jono> cool :)
[06:33] <RuffianSoldier> loved your Ubuntu artical.  and check out www.watsky.net         I  think youll like it!
[06:34] <jono> RuffianSoldier, cheers :) cool
[06:34] <jono> I love Ubuntu
[06:35] <KING```> magneto: can i make an icon from that executabile to much easier use ?
[06:35] <magneto> jono: modelines are information about resolutions your video adapter will run
[06:35] <magneto> KING: yes you can
[06:35] <jono> magneto, if I specify a modeline, does that provide the right refesh rates
[06:36] <magneto> KING: do you remember the name of that program you ran?
[06:37] <KING```> yes magneto
[06:37] <magneto> jono: they are supposed to when used correctly in your XF86Config-4/xorg.conf file but I don't use them, I find it easier to specify my monitor's correct info and set the rates I want
[06:38] <theBishop> my CDs arrived!!1
[06:39] <RuffianSoldier> YAY!
[06:39] <magneto> jono: if you use google and search for XF86Config  and the name of your video adapter you can get some good ideas on how to set your xf86config file if you dont want to run xf86config
[06:39] <RuffianSoldier> I have been wating months for my CDs :-(
[06:39] <magneto> bishop: what country are you in?
[06:39] <magneto> King: where do you want the icon?
[06:39] <KING```> in multimedia
[06:40] <magneto> on the panel at the top or bottom? on your desktop? in the applications --> Internet  menu?
[06:40] <KING```> yes Internet Menu
[06:40] <KING```> that it would be great
[06:40] <thenuke> k3b gave me shitload of errors :)
[06:41] <thenuke> warning: icon directory .. not valid
[06:42] <magneto> ok KING: go to the internet folder and right click on it - right click anywhere in that menu  choose  Entire Menu>  Add new item to this menu       and a window will popup
[06:42] <thenuke> and does not go anywhere from the point where it says "scanning for CD devices"
[06:42] <Frustrated> hey everyone
[06:42] <Frustrated> anyone know how to get acpi working on a hp pavillion laptop?
[06:42] <thenuke> My faith for ubuntu starts to crumble
[06:42] <thenuke> does not seem to be so perfect after a few minutes of use =)
[06:43] <Bertie> HI. Where is the best place to find novice help with ubuntu problems
[06:43] <RuffianSoldier> jono, look into the distro BeatrIX.  It is uses the Ubuntu repos and "Ubuntu-ized" debs, and its a knoppix-remastered distro.  VERY FAST!  www.watsky.net  and check out the official channel #beatrix (im the op) ;-)
[06:43] <magneto> thenuke: privileges for your recording devices-  k3bsetup2 - k3b isnt bundled with ubuntu :)
[06:44] <thenuke> magneto: there should be a little bit more software then bundled
[06:44] <thenuke> magneto: if I cant get any non-bundled recorder working :P
[06:44] <magneto> thenuke: yeah but then they'd try to support its use
[06:45] <magneto> thenuke i didnt have any problems other then permissions and using the right repository where the deps were good
[06:45] <thenuke> magneto: k3bsetup asks for roots password, and does not accept it
[06:45] <magneto> thenuke: so k3b wont run at all- it dies on scanning? try running it with sudo
[06:46] <KING```> magneto
[06:46] <magneto> ive seen that one nuke- its a vicious circle
[06:46] <KING```> i have done that
[06:46] <thenuke> sudo k3bsetup says that it cannot find some file..
[06:46] <magneto> thenuke: kdesu os sumthing right
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> hmmmm
[06:46] <thenuke> command kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found
[06:46] <magneto> King: so you see that window?
[06:47] <KING```> yes magneto
[06:47] <KING```> i have to complete name , generic name , comment , command ... etc
[06:47] <magneto> KING: where it says Name  type Bittornado
[06:47] <thenuke> Oh god damnit, I just remembered that I tried upgrading to hoary on this box :)
[06:47] <magneto> KING: yes
[06:47] <magneto> only name and command
[06:47] <thenuke> I hope thats the reason for these
[06:47] <thenuke> but dunno
[06:47] <thenuke> could it be.
[06:47] <KING```> ok magneto
[06:48] <magneto> thenuke: install those packages
[06:48] <KING```> and in command ?
[06:48] <Bertie> Where can I find help with Rhythmbox?
[06:48] <magneto> kcontrols kcmshell
[06:48] <magneto> KING: in command type the name of the program you just ran
[06:49] <thenuke> magneto: no such package available
[06:49] <magneto> thenuke: i had that issue- install kcmshell - k3bsetup will fail if it doesnt see kcmshell kdesu or k3bsetup2
[06:49] <KING```> ok magneto , it works , thanks
[06:49] <thenuke> apt-get install kcmshell does not work :I cant find the package
[06:50] <magneto> thenuke: its in another package
[06:50] <magneto> thenuke: try kcontrols
[06:50] <magneto> or kde-base-bin
[06:50] <thenuke> magneto: no go for kcontrols too
[06:51] <magneto> thenuke: hold on ill go look
[06:51] <thenuke> kde-base-bin, nope.
[06:51] <magneto> KING: right click on your "shortcut" and choose properties and click where it says no icon and you can choose an icon
[06:51] <davmor2> does any one know if there is a program like freemem in windows for ubuntu?
[06:52] <magneto> kdebase-bin
[06:52] <Bertie> Any Ubuntu Rythmbox experts here?
[06:52] <magneto> thenuke : its in kdebase-bin
[06:52] <thenuke> already installed
[06:52] <davmor2> what's wrong bertie
[06:53] <RuffianSoldier> bertie, I am not, but I can become one for you
[06:53] <magneto> thenuke: what is your error when running k3bsetup
[06:53] <kent> is there some way to change the cursor-theme in Ubuntu? I saw on gnome-look.org that is possible to change in gnome (and even heard of it before). I dont realy need to change it, but it would be fun to check out, but i dont see how it is to be done :(
[06:54] <Bertie> When I try to import a folder in to Rythmbox in fact before to window even opens Rthmbox hangs up
[06:54] <thenuke> "command kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found"
[06:54] <thenuke> magneto: hmm, I think I might have somekind of problem with this cd-rw drive in matter of fact
[06:55] <thenuke> I put in some audioCD and tried to open it
[06:55] <thenuke> and it does not do anything
[06:55] <davmor2> thenuke try running root shell type k3b
[06:55] <thenuke> davmor2: thats when it gave that error
[06:55] <Keybuk> these sweets are evil
[06:55] <RuffianSoldier> no!
[06:55] <thenuke> oh, no it does not give that error
[06:55] <thenuke> but hmm
[06:56] <magneto> thenuke: ?
[06:56] <thenuke> it does not get forward from scanning devices.. but now I must figure out if this cd-rw is even working in here
[06:56] <magneto> ide drive? usb?
[06:56] <thenuke> magneto: ide
[06:56] <davmor2> thenuke don't sudo it ,apps,  system tools, root terminal
[06:56] <thenuke> another ide-cd works
[06:56] <magneto> ls -al /dev/hd*
[06:57] <Bertie> Any ideas guys?
[06:57] <magneto> you see the device?
[06:57] <wood1> Hello to All
[06:57] <thenuke> argh, now there is many k3b's running in the background
[06:57] <thenuke> and I cant kill them
[06:57] <magneto> Bertie: naw man sorry
[06:57] <davmor2> bertie try just creating a playlist of the folder rather than importing it
[06:57] <thenuke> like I cant kill about anything else which gets stucked in the background =)
[06:57] <magneto> hung wasup
[06:57] <thenuke> sudo kill -9 k3b does not kill em
[06:58] <thenuke> killall i mean
[06:58] <magneto> thenuke: killall k3b
[06:58] <thenuke> magneto: yes, no go. as a root
[06:58] <wood1> Well the installation part of Ubuntu installation
[06:58] <Amaranth> thenuke: They are zombies.
[06:58] <magneto> thenuke: kill the first one on the list
[06:58] <Amaranth> init will hopefully pick up on them soon enough but they can't be killed
[06:58] <Amaranth> otherwise you have to restart to get rid of them
[06:58] <wood1> I can just install the Ubuntu Base and install GRUB and it boots right
[06:58] <davmor2> bertie any joy
[06:59] <wood1> Amaranth, am I right ?
[06:59] <magneto> Hungsquirrel: whats up
[06:59] <HungSquirrel> hello everyone
[06:59] <Bertie> davmor (I will try thanks)
[06:59] <HungSquirrel> finally got in here
[06:59] <Amaranth> wood1: iirc debootstrap + grub would get you a booting system
[06:59] <HungSquirrel> had to use port 6666
[06:59] <thenuke> magneto: does not work
[06:59] <Amaranth> but i don't think you'd have a user account
[06:59] <thenuke> Amaranth: oookey
[06:59] <wood1> I decided to reinstall Warty from a CD ROM rather than do a Network or SSH install
[06:59] <Amaranth> and root is locked by default
[06:59] <magneto> thenuke: where did u run it? gnome-term or console?
[07:00] <Amaranth> thenuke: I've had k3b lock my cdrom drive and go zombie on me, it sucks.
[07:00] <thenuke> magneto: gnome-term
[07:00] <magneto> kill the term nuke
[07:00] <Amaranth> Took 12 hours for init to kill it.
[07:00] <HungSquirrel> time for class, bbl
[07:00] <magneto> later hung
[07:00] <davmor2> bertie all I did was double click each song i wanted and rythmbox set up a play list i just start rythmbox and click on the playlist
[07:00] <thenuke> magneto: so what about that ls -al /dev/hd* .. I can see there hdb and hdc as cdrom-drives
[07:00] <Breeder> how do i know the name of the package that contains the midnight commander?
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> I love MC!
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> its MC
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install mc
[07:01] <magneto> thenuke: is your cdrom responsive at all though?
[07:01] <wood1> Well Amaranth, I almost installed Lunar Linux over Warty
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, apt-get install mc
[07:01] <Amaranth> thenuke: the real system name for those drives is /dev/hdb and /dev/hdc, the /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom1 are what we call symlinks
[07:01] <thenuke> magneto: let's see I try to mount it
[07:01] <Amaranth> they aren't really anything, they just point to the real drives
[07:01] <stoned> freddy__, are you here
[07:01] <Breeder> i've already tried that
[07:01] <thenuke> Amaranth: ok, thats good to know
[07:02] <stoned> i jonied becuase you left #debian
[07:02] <freddy__> stoned: yeah
[07:02] <stoned> you will get this error if you try to run an X program as root
[07:02] <stoned> try running it as a regular user
[07:02] <Breeder> apt-get install mc wont install
[07:02] <Synek> hi
[07:02] <davmor2> any joy bertie
[07:02] <freddy__> stoned: ah...
[07:02] <magneto> thenuke: if the device isnt operational then all the software associated won't work
[07:02] <Amaranth> thenuke: It might sound odd to have that but it gives a unified interface to the CD-ROM drive so you can move the drive to slave or master or whatnot or even replace it with a SCSI drive and programs that need it will still work.
[07:02] <stoned> anyway ubuntu != debian :)
[07:03] <thenuke> yes, it got mounted OK
[07:03] <thenuke> so it works
[07:03] <magneto> ok
[07:03] <thenuke> Amaranth: makes sense perfectly :)
[07:03] <magneto> thenuke: check those k3b processes
[07:03] <thenuke> k.
[07:03] <charley> Just installed ubuntu, and i love it. Thank you everybody.
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> np!
[07:04] <thenuke> zombies are still in the house
[07:04] <davmor2> bob 2 are you about
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> charley, check out www.watsky.net --- if you like Ubuntu, Im sure youll like this!   also check out the official channel #beatrix
[07:04] <magneto> still cant kill them
[07:04] <thenuke> nnope :I
[07:05] <magneto> weird- amaranth might be better able to help since hes had that same issue -i never had it
[07:05] <davmor2> thenuke just use nautilus
[07:05] <magneto> davmor2: to copy a cd
[07:05] <thenuke> davmor2: sure if it works :) So I can use it to copy audio cd's?
[07:05] <Breeder> so how do i install midnight commander ( sudo apt-get install mc doesnt find any package)
[07:06] <magneto> you can use commandline nuke- but isnt this for your sister or something
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, you have to enable Universe
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, open synaptic
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> then open "repositories" i think it is
[07:07] <thenuke> magneto: yup :I I could make scripts for her though
[07:07] <thenuke> humh.. now the other cdrom wont mount =)
[07:08] <thenuke> I'll try booting
[07:08] <magneto> nuke: yeah but i think your system has other issues
[07:08] <thenuke> and get rid of those zombies
[07:08] <magneto> thenuke: have you updated your system
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, after you do that, check all the boxes that are called "Universe" then apt-get update
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> then your good to go
[07:08] <KING```> in bittorent there is no read me file ? or how to use that program ?
[07:09] <freddy__> I'm a newbee and have just booted the live CD. But as soon as I have the terminal open, none of the programs will open. If I try to open them from command line I get: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:10] <magneto> KING - google.com bittornado linux -  i believe any .torrent you open should automatically open btdownload
[07:10] <magneto> for torrents try supernova.org
[07:10] <davmor2> Magneto: surely you can just copy the contents from one drive to the other or use grip to rip the cd then burn the image using cd creator
[07:11] <wood1> Everyone, how do I burn an ISO Image in Nautilas and make it bootable too ?
[07:11] <magneto> davmor2: yeah but from one minute to the next his drives randomly go out
[07:12] <KING```> i have torrents magneto , but i don;t know how to use bittornado that i have installed
[07:12] <magneto> davmor2: you're right - i was only thinking direct copy
[07:13] <magneto> KING: have you tried double clicking a torrent file in nautilus
[07:13] <KING```> nautilus ?
[07:14] <magneto> the window you see all your folders in is a program called nautilus
[07:14] <davmor2> King just left click the torrent a window opens select btdownlodgui.tornado as the application to use
[07:14] <wood1> RuffianSoldier, how does BeatrIX update itself ?
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> wood1, hold on, let me check.......... I believe apt-get upgrade        dont see why not.
[07:15] <wood1> RuffianSoldier, Have you installed it yet ?
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> wood1, I havent got too :-(  no running linux boxes.  I am going to when my new computer arives.  Overall, its much faster then ubuntu
[07:16] <davmor2> wood1 It should just set up the file system if your burning an iso image
[07:17] <davmor2> wood1 if you want to speed up ubuntu just download the i686 kernels
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> or download Ubuntu
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> i mean, Bea
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[07:17] <freddy__> ubuntu is pretty but when u cant get any other programs to run than from the commandline, well, why have a graphical layer ...
[07:18] <thenuke> freddy__: I think you can add them to desktop
[07:18] <intinig> how can I mount my ntfs partitions in ubuntu?
[07:18] <bob2> freddy__: sure you can
[07:18] <bob2> freddy__: a) many add themselves to the menus, b) you can add the rest if you want them to
[07:18] <bob2> intinig: edit /etc/fstab, add something like this:
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> hello bob2
[07:19] <freddy__> but I get this annoying error every time I try to open something Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:19] <bob2> /dev/whatever /mnt/ ntfs defaults,umask=002 0 0
[07:19] <davmor2> Freddy I'm an x windows user I still prefer things to have a gui and I can use them
[07:19] <intinig> bob2, shouldn't disk manager be able to mount them? It sees them but says they're inaccessible
[07:19] <bob2> freddy__: sure that's not you trying to run stuff as root?
[07:19] <bob2> intinig: is it a removable device?
[07:19] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: hi
[07:20] <freddy__> no I'm warty
[07:20] <davmor2> bob2 any idea if there is something like freemem
[07:20] <bob2> freddy__: as your user, you can't run programs from an xterm?
[07:20] <bob2> davmor2: I don't know what that is
[07:20] <intinig> bob2, other partitions on the same HD
[07:20] <freddy__> bob2: no
[07:20] <thenuke> hm, this gets again pretty jammed, when I try to mount some cd and it does not mount
[07:20] <freddy__> bob2: I getthis error
[07:20] <thenuke> then I cannot do anything with that drive anymore :)
[07:20] <bob2> intinig: then you'll need to edit fstab, but only once
[07:20] <intinig> I see
[07:21] <bob2> thenuke: some drives are buggy, and the kernel doesn't always "convince" them to reset
[07:21] <davmor2> bob2 a program to free up unused memory when apps have finished with it
[07:21] <bob2> freddy__: when doing what?
[07:21] <bob2> davmor2: erm, that program does nothing
[07:21] <bob2> davmor2: the kernel frees memory when programs close
[07:22] <freddy__> bob2: when I forexample start firefox from commandline, I get:Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:22] <thenuke> bob2: can I do anything else but change the drive then :)
[07:22] <bob2> freddy__: from where? a terminal in X?  or a virtual console?
[07:22] <davmor2> bob2 Okay ta system just seemed to be using lots that was all
[07:22] <freddy__> bob2: from a terminal in X
[07:22] <bob2> davmor2: where did you see this program?
[07:22] <intinig> bob2, it was easier than that, I had to choose an mount point from disks manager and then I could enable it from there
[07:22] <bob2> freddy__: as your normal user?
[07:22] <bob2> intinig: ok
[07:22] <freddy__> bob2: yes
[07:23] <wood1> Well RuffianSoldier, it seems that BeatrIX Linux seems to be written mostly for VIA Motherboards
[07:23] <davmor2> bob2 was a windows program
[07:23] <bob2> davmor2: the kernel uses all ram not used by programs as disk cache.  if something needs it, the kernel fushes the buffers
[07:23] <bob2> davmor2: ah, right
[07:23] <bob2> freddy__: I don't know how that could happen
[07:23] <RuffianSoldier> wood1, quite wrong.  It can be ran on almost any Pentium like CPU (x86)
[07:23] <RuffianSoldier> its been ran on a i486 :-D
[07:24] <bob2> wood1: distrwit would be very difficult for a distribution to be motherboard-specific
[07:24] <freddy__> bob2: ok :(
[07:24] <bob2> freddy__: try the list
[07:24] <davmor2> bob2 okay ta for the kernel lesson know what is using it now:)
[07:24] <freddy__> bob2: list??
[07:24] <bob2> freddy__: the ubuntu-user list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[07:24] <bob2> davmor2: hehe np
[07:25] <freddy__> bob2: ah...ok thanks
[07:25] <freddy__> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:25] <RuffianSoldier> hmmmm
[07:25] <daniels> something tells me freddy ran something as root and trashed his .Xauthority
[07:26] <bob2> ah, a fun new way for k3b to break things
[07:26] <wood1> For those of you familiar with the Via motherboard that we wrote this on, yes, it certainly does run on it, unlike many, if not most flavors of Linux.
[07:26] <magneto> bob2: lol damn has k3b been that unkind to you?
[07:27] <bob2> magneto: hah, I've never used it
[07:27] <magneto> lol
[07:27] <bob2> it just seems to cause more problems for users than any other program in the history of the universe
[07:27] <wood1> With the exception of the kernel compiling, the entire system was written on the bottom-of-the-line Via EPIA motherboard.
[07:27] <bob2> including MyDoom and "the Melissa worm", afaict
[07:27] <magneto> bob2: i believe you have k3b confused with gdesklets
[07:27] <magneto> lol
[07:27] <wood1> That's BeatrIX last line
[07:27] <bob2> wood1: motherboard support is a kernel thing
[07:28] <bob2> wood1: but other distros are off-topic here, try #beatrix or #potter or something
[07:28] <bob2> magneto: nah, it's just pointless ;-)
[07:29] <wood1> Anyway, I am now in the process of reinstalling Ubuntu Warty
[07:29] <magneto> bob2: ive never had any issues with k3b   now ive had python pergatory with gdesklets though
[07:29] <davmor2> bob2 if the kernel is basically sitting in the memory is that why the live cds work
[07:29] <charleyramm> running gnome in ubuntu. There is an X stuck in the middle of my screen. has anyone come across this before?
[07:29] <bob2> davmor2: once the kernel loads, it never moves from that memory, yeah
[07:29] <wood1> I can just install the Ubuntu Base and the GRUB booter and it works right out of the box right
[07:29] <bob2> davmor2: don't livecds require the cd to be in the drive at all time?
[07:29] <wood1> I really messed up my other system with Hoary
[07:30] <bob2> charleyramm: s3 or savage card?
[07:30] <charleyramm> yes
[07:30] <wood1> Hoary went nuts
[07:30] <charleyramm> Something like that. Its an acer laptop.
[07:30] <bob2> you need to enable SWCursor, which google or daniels knows the exact syntax for
[07:30] <daniels> or the faq on the wiki
[07:30] <charleyramm> ok, if i can find it.
[07:30] <charleyramm> SWCursor...
[07:31] <davmor2> bob2 ok that's interesting and yes they do need to been in all the time they act like a hard drive but i could never figure out how they worked but after you said about the kernel things knida fell into place
[07:31] <bob2> davmor2: hm, ok
[07:32] <xukun> what do I need to add in the source.lst to apt-get f-prot(anti virus)?
[07:32] <davmor2> bob2 Knoppix was how i got into linux after having a huge boot sector virus in windows
[07:32] <thenuke> oookey, when I put audioCD in my CD-RW it opens up cdplayer.. I close that, and try to open the cd with nautilus
[07:32] <bob2> davmor2: ah, right
[07:32] <thenuke> but it just says it cannot open it
[07:32] <bob2> thenuke: what should nautilus do with an audi ocd?
[07:32] <bob2> they're not mountable
[07:32] <thenuke> for fcks sake Im going slightly mad with this
[07:33] <thenuke> bob2: someone told me to use it to copy cd's
[07:33] <bob2> erm, ok
[07:34] <jono> anyone run Kismet here?
[07:34] <RuffianSoldier> whats kismet?
[07:34] <thenuke> any other ideas about some simple cd-copy software
[07:34] <kent> thenuke, I have not read this channel so im sorry if i missed something but.., have you had any issues copying the disc with k3b?
[07:35] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: apt-cache search kismet
[07:35] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[07:35] <magneto> thenuke: youd have to use it with a program like grip - to rip the cd then burn the mp3s or whatever type of files you ripped back to another cd
[07:35] <JStrike> There isn't any good cd-copying software out for Gnome yet
[07:35] <diesel> RuffianSoldier, Remember on Friday when I (diesel) could not boot ubuntu past the "Setting Hardware Clock.  Using Hardware Clock as a reference?"
[07:35] <thenuke> magneto: ookeyp
[07:35] <thenuke> hmm, what I can use to empty RW
[07:35] <bob2> gcombust has an option for it, iirc
[07:36] <Synek> thenuke : xcdroast? cdrecord
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, C:\WINDOWS\system32>apt-cache search kismet  'apt-cache' is not recognized as an internal or external comman, operable program or batch file.
[07:36] <charleyramm> bob2: I added 'Option "HWCursor" "false"' to the device section of XF86Config-4. Just restarting x-server.
[07:36] <magneto> thenuke: it will do it autmotically in nautilus  and what synek said
[07:36] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: clever
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> cant apt-cache in windows?
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:36] <magneto> lol
[07:36] <Synek> ;)
[07:37] <magneto> apt-cache search windows-fcking-clue
[07:37] <RuffianSoldier> haha
[07:37] <thenuke> Synek: xcdroast said that I would need to enable scsi-support in kernel if I was to use IDE-drives with it
[07:37] <RuffianSoldier> I am forced to use Windows :-( no running Lin box )
[07:37] <magneto> ruffian- i use it too sometimes im ashamed to say
[07:38] <wood1> By the way, what is the correct format for the Swap Partition for Ubuntu ?
[07:38] <davmor2> jono: didn't know you used ubuntu
[07:38] <magneto> thenuke: old versions of cd-record required that
[07:38] <charley> bob2: Its gone now. Thank you.
[07:38] <davmor2> Jono: knew you'd tested it
[07:38] <yq> hi
[07:38] <bob2> thenuke: xcdroast is amazingly out of date if it still says that
[07:38] <bob2> cdrecord itself also prints untrue warnings, tho
[07:38] <wood1> Should I put the Swap Partition in the Primary Sector
[07:39] <wood1> bob2, should I put the Swap partition in the Primary sector ?
[07:39] <yq> can anyone say me how to install ATI drivers?
[07:39] <bob2> I've never heard the term "primary sector", sorry
[07:39] <bob2> yq: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:39] <magneto> jono: kismet yeah - you wardriving?
[07:40] <wood1> Well Swap should be in the Logical partition
[07:40] <davmor2> Jono: I have no wireless products don't need it
[07:40] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please turn that off
[07:41] <bob2> wood1: it doesn't matter
[07:41] <thenuke> I dont understand how to use cdrecord
[07:41] <bob2> cdrecord doesn't help you copy cds
[07:41] <bob2> if you want to copy audio cds "learn cdrdao" or "use gcombust"
[07:41] <davmor2> bob2 do you ever switch your system off
[07:42] <bob2> davmor2: no
[07:43] <wood1> bob2, Would making a separate /home partition be better than making a /boot partition ?
[07:43] <bob2> wood1: yes
[07:43] <wood1> You are sure about that ?
[07:43] <xukun> bob2 why not cdrecord?
[07:43] <guillaum1> hello everyone !
[07:44] <guillaum1> someone could help me about xfree ?
[07:45] <magneto> thenuke: youd have to make an iso of the audio cd and then burn it with cdrecord or rip it then burn it with cdrecord
[07:45] <wood1> bob2, should I create the /home partition in the primary and the beginning of the partition ?
[07:45] <davmor2> what aobut xfree
[07:45] <guillaum1> i just installed ubuntoo
[07:45] <Radi0ShacK> hello ppl
[07:45] <guillaum1> and when u type X
[07:45] <guillaum1> X start and stop
[07:45] <bob2> xukun: meh, I've always used cdrdao.  plus it has a command for "dump out the cd in a format I can burn"
[07:45] <guillaum1> ...
[07:45] <bob2> wood1: it doesn't matter
[07:45] <rodi> heh, there's your problem guillaum1
[07:46] <magneto> guillaum1: try gdm
[07:46] <xukun> bob2: I see
[07:46] <guillaum1> gdm is not installed...
[07:46] <magneto> startx
[07:46] <Radi0ShacK> hi i am thinking of installing ubutu on my laptop now whic version of kernel does ubuntu include?
[07:46] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:47] <bob2> guillaum1: gdm is part of the base system
[07:47] <bob2> er, desktop
[07:47] <magneto> startx with the use manager of choice in ~/.xinitrc
[07:47] <guillaum1> startx doesn t exist... it s like when i type Xfree86 or X it does the samething as startx
[07:47] <freddy__> bob2: I found out when that happens, that I get the error.  I run it from the 'computer' menu
[07:48] <guillaum1> i don t have it...
[07:48] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, :) what r u laughing @
[07:48] <magneto> guillaum1 did u do a custom or customexpert install
[07:48] <guillaum1> i did the basic install
[07:48] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: the phrase "centrino technology" is just a tad funny :)
[07:48] <wood1> hey bob2, Ok done with the partition table, the Ubuntu Base installation is starting.
[07:48] <guillaum1> where u just have to say yes yes... lol
[07:49] <bob2> "basic"?
[07:49] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, kernel <IP_ADDRESS> in testing version or stable version?
[07:49] <arzajac> guillaum1: any errirs?
[07:49] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, HEH
[07:49] <arzajac> guillaum1: any errors?
[07:49] <magneto> guillam1- did your installation have any errors
[07:49] <guillaum1> i mean when i put the ubuntu cd, y press ok to the begining... and i followed the steps
[07:49] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: stable
[07:49] <guillaum1> no errors...
[07:49] <xukun> bob2: if one(me) is looking for a package or a programm which you you want to install it using apt, but you cant find it, what would one do?. I know the package is there when using debian unstable but for this system I,m using sarge
[07:49] <guillaum1> very strange...
[07:49] <Radi0ShacK> that's really cool thanks bob2
[07:49] <freddy__> Newbee: how do I install this ubuntu live CD onto my harddisc?
[07:49] <wood1> magneto, can I just install Ubuntu Base and GRUB Boot Loader and install the rest from the Internet ?
[07:50] <kineox> hi
[07:50] <arzajac> guillaum1: what happens when you boot?
[07:50] <wood1> hey
[07:50] <guillaum1> i ve got grub
[07:50] <bob2> xukun: apt-cache search blah
[07:50] <magneto> xukun: google for it or try apt-get.org
[07:50] <arzajac> wood1: yes
[07:50] <guillaum1> and i choose ubunto
[07:50] <bob2> xukun: if it's not there, it's not in the realse of debian/ubuntu you're using
[07:50] <guillaum1> and it boot
[07:50] <guillaum1> and i get a console login ...
[07:50] <xukun> bob2: sorry I tryied apt-casche nothing
[07:51] <magneto> xukun: or make one yourself
[07:51] <wood1> what's the first thing I do after installing ubuntu-base and rebooting ?
[07:51] <arzajac> guillaum1: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:51] <freddy__> is there a program like knx_hdinstall in knoppix for installing ubuntu ?
[07:51] <wood1> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ?
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[07:51] <guillaum1> O update....
[07:51] <arzajac> wood1: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:51] <bob2> wood1: use it
[07:51] <bob2> freddy__: no
[07:51] <bob2> freddy__: just use the install cd
[07:51] <guillaum1> it said everything is ok
[07:51] <wood1> Well I think I have to my sources.list to remove the CD ROM option, right ?
[07:52] <arzajac> guillaum1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, do u know when new release will be "when it's stable" available
[07:52] <guillaum1> ok
[07:52] <wood1> I won't have the option of using the CD-ROM tomorrow morning
[07:52] <yq> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver gives mi an error, that it was not possible to find this packet
[07:52] <freddy__> bob2: oh shit! I dont have such a CD and my burner is broken
[07:52] <xukun> magneto: thanx, cant find nothing in google yet, but I will try googling some more!
[07:52] <arzajac> wood1: Comment it out and add a reposiroty on the net
[07:52] <guillaum1> ok
[07:52] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: april 2005
[07:52] <guillaum1> it ask me for 540mo
[07:52] <wood1> Ok arzajax
[07:52] <magneto> xukun: what app
[07:52] <guillaum1> :)
[07:52] <Radi0ShacK> thanks every one
[07:52] <bob2> yq: please read the wiki page I told you about
[07:53] <arzajac> guillaum1: make it go.
[07:53] <guillaum1> ok
[07:53] <xukun> magneto: f-prot. and agian this is not ubuntu but debian sarge, its an old system which is too old for ubuntu
[07:53] <guillaum1> ok it s on the cd :)
[07:53] <wood1> Oh NO, my installation is now hanged !!!!!!!
[07:53] <daniels> xukun: if you have a debian question, try asking in #debian.
[07:54] <wood1> at only 12%
[07:54] <daniels> xukun: and ubuntu will work on systems that sarge works on (unless you have something other than i386/amd64/powerpc)
[07:54] <guillaum1> Thanks... i hope it will works
[07:54] <wood1> Well something went wrong
[07:54] <arzajac> wood1: Lost your connection?
[07:54] <kineox> I've just installed ubuntu, it works well, but I've seen that it is released every 6 months... does it means that firefox (and others appli) will be updated only in march ?
[07:54] <Synek> Does default kernel allow me to use ppp (isdn) for internet connection?
[07:54] <bob2> kineox: in the stable version, yes
[07:54] <magneto> xukun: try f-prot they have it
[07:54] <davmor2> bob2 I have universe and multiverse repositories listed any others for apps or is there no need.
[07:55] <bob2> kineox: that's why it's called "stable" ;)
[07:55] <bob2> davmor2: list whichever you want
[07:55] <xukun> daniels: I know that but I needed just the base system without any x-window
[07:55] <bob2> I don't have multiverse listed
[07:55] <kineox> bob2, i want to use firefox 1.0, I have to use apt-get ? no way with Synaptic ?
[07:55] <marsjays> whenever i close the lid on my laptop, it automagically switches VT or something, so i have to switch back to X with alt-f7.. damn annoying, anyone know how to fix it?
[07:55] <xukun> daniels: but I got the point, you are wright
[07:56] <xukun> magneto: thanks
[07:56] <bob2> kineox: um, apt and synaptic use the exact same list of available packages
[07:56] <bob2> marsjays: it's a feature
[07:56] <magneto> xukun: http://www.f-prot.com/download/trial_forms/linux-ws-deb.html
[07:56] <bob2> marsjays: since lots of video cards catch fire if you try to suspend while in X
[07:56] <daniels> xukun: boot with 'linux custom' if you want
[07:56] <Treenaks> bob2: catch fire!?
[07:56] <bob2> Treenaks: well, hang
[07:56] <magneto> lol bob2
[07:57] <Treenaks> bob2: mine explodes on un-suspend :)
[07:57] <bob2> Treenaks: get an x40 :P
[07:57] <davmor2> bob2 it was one on ubuntu wiki site.  What I meant was are there any other repositories that can be used with ubuntu
[07:57] <kineox> bob2, it is just a GUI ? so I've not found the option to accept testing packages...
[07:57] <Treenaks> bob2: I _demand_ widescreen ;)
[07:57] <marsjays> bob2: ok.. any way to make it behave differently? like disabling suspend-on-lid-shut?
[07:57] <bob2> Treenaks: hahaha
[07:57] <bob2> davmor2: there are lots, but they're made by random people who may or may not be any good at it
[07:58] <bob2> kineox: you want to switch to the unstable version of ubuntu?
[07:58] <davmor2> bob2 ok I'll just stick with these for now then they work most of the time
[07:58] <kineox> bob2, of course :D
[07:58] <bob2> marsjays: edit /etc/acpi/ something
[07:58] <marsjays> bob2: ok, thanks
[07:59] <bob2> kineox: it's pretty broken in some ways at the moment
[07:59] <bob2> prepare.sh
[07:59] <kineox> bob2, no problem
[07:59] <bob2> to disable video switrching
[07:59] <bob2> to disable the lid thing, /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn or so
[07:59] <bob2> kineox: you know how ti fix /home not being mounted?
[08:00] <kineox> bob2, I think I can do that
[08:01] <wood1> Does anybody know why my Ubuntu base installation got hanged at 12% ?
[08:01] <wood1> kineox ?
[08:02] <kineox> hmm ?
[08:02] <arzajac> wood1: did you go to vt3 to see error messages?
[08:04] <bob2> kineox: change 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list, run 'apt-get update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:04] <bob2> make sure you have all the bits of ubunut-desktop installed
[08:04] <kineox> thanks
[08:05] <wood1> Arzajac, it seems that my Disc is not being read by the CD-DRVE !!!!!!!
[08:06] <arzajac> wood1: What is the error?
[08:06] <magneto> later everybody
[08:06] <njs12345> when I boot my Ubuntu system for the first time, I get a GDM error
[08:07] <arzajac> njs12345: install k3b?
[08:07] <njs12345> I'm switching from Gentoo, I have my xorg.conf backed up.. but GDM is started on boot and when GDM doesn't work I can't switch to a virtual terminal
[08:07] <njs12345> so I'm kinda stuck
[08:07] <jcole> wood1: at a linux prompt type "md5sum warty-release-install-i386.iso" and make sure it equals "a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0"
[08:07] <bob2> yq: please keep discussion in the channel
[08:08] <njs12345> arzajac: GDM as in the Gnome Display Manager
[08:08] <arzajac> njs12345: Yeah.  The ICEauthority is buggered by k3b?  Gives an error when GDS starts...
[08:09] <njs12345> oh
[08:09] <njs12345> I've not got K3b installed
[08:09] <Treenaks> arzajac: remove it..
[08:09] <zAo^> lo all
[08:09] <njs12345> it gives a "Rate out of range" error on my monitor
[08:10] <njs12345> and Ctrl+Alt+F<1-9> do nothing
[08:10] <arzajac> njs12345: It may or may not be your problem.  Change theownership of .ICEAuthority to your user...
[08:10] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please turn that off
[08:10] <zAo^> ctrl+alt+bckspc?
[08:10] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, what you talking about???
[08:10] <njs12345> zAo^: does nothing either
[08:11] <Synek> RuffianSoldier: public away
[08:11] <zAo^> you have another station there? ssh to your machine and change XF86Config-4
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> ??
[08:11] <jcole> bob2: since ubuntu uses sudo, is it still possible to use the kernel parameter "single"? might solve njs12345 problem...
[08:11] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: the public away thing
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> public away?
[08:11] <njs12345> I guess I could find my (R)(I)(P) disk and use it to setup X through a chroot, but before I do it, is there a Grub option that stops GDM from being started on boot?
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> oh, i see
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, whats wrong with it :-(
[08:11] <Synek> ;>
[08:12] <njs12345> zAo^: is SSH installed&started by default?
[08:12] <Synek> RuffianSoldier: it's just _bad_
[08:12] <Synek> ;)
[08:12] <arzajac> njs12345: You have a recovery mode installed by Ubuntu
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> why is it bad?
[08:12] <njs12345> hm. I guess I should have tried that ;)
[08:12] <jcole> njs12345: no openssh is not installed by default
[08:12] <njs12345> that doesn't start GDM?
[08:12] <bob2> jcole: it is indeed
[08:13] <spiv> RuffianSoldier: If everyone had that turned on, on a channel of this size it would clutter the channel considerably.
[08:13] <arzajac> njs12345: No.
[08:13] <zAo^> sorry njs12345 ; didnt know you have a fresh install :)
[08:13] <davmor2> does anyone use a virus scanner/remover if so what?and do you recommend it for ease of use
[08:13] <njs12345> oh
[08:13] <njs12345> well
[08:13] <yq> I still cannot install this ati driver, I've read wiki page, installed linux-restricted modules, linux-amd64-generic was here already. But when i try sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver it keeps saying that it couldn't find fglrx-driver. I cannot find it thru synaptic too :/
[08:13] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: it's annoying and pointless, and if all 300 people in here used it, there wouldn't be room for anything else
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> aaah
[08:13] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: people can still /whois you if they want to know if you're around or not
[08:13] <njs12345> that was kind of the obvious answer I guess :)
[08:13] <zAo^> How can I open RAW files (Canon) in The Gimp? Install dcraw.
[08:13] <bob2> davmor2: erm, viruses on linux are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on the list of things you have to worry about
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> hows my away message though?
[08:13] <bob2> davmor2: down there with "being abducted by martians"
[08:14] <jcole> njs12345: at your ubuntu grub boot menu, hit 'e' to edit your kernel line and append the word "single" to it
[08:14] <spiv> RuffianSoldier: They can get that with /whois too.
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> but whatr do you think about my away message: I enjoy 100MB memory dumps in windows!
[08:15] <bob2> jcole: (it drops you into a root shell without asking for a password, on the theory that if someone is in front ofthe computer and rebooting it, they can just use a boot floppy or something anyway)
[08:15] <davmor2> bob2 i know that but after the boot sector virus I got I would just like to be safer than sorry
[08:15] <bob2> davmor2: by that I mean there are no viruses for linux that you will have to worry about
[08:16] <zAo^> How can I open RAW files (Canon) in The Gimp? InstallED dcraw :-) Doesnt work :-%
[08:16] <davmor2> bob2 ok ta
[08:16] <bob2> davmor2: there's clamav if you really want this...
[08:16] <bob2> but I don't even know if it has signatures for linux viruses
[08:16] <Amaranth> I thought clamav was for mail servers to filter out Windows viruses
[08:16] <bob2> it's a general virus thing, but that's a common use
[08:17] <davmor2> bob2 got it and no it only has windows signitures which is okay if you are using it to check your mail.
[08:17] <yq> nvidia-glx packets are there to install, but fglrx-driver doesn't really seem to be there. Could someone check it? please
[08:17] <bob2> davmor2: well, if you're reading your mail on linux, you don't even need to worry about that
[08:17] <Amaranth> There is no common system for linux that a virus writer can attack.
[08:17] <bob2> yq: please read the wiki
[08:18] <bob2> Amaranth: it wouldn't attack a "system", it'd be something like a buffer overflow in mozilla or such
[08:18] <vinic_> hi! I have an application running (firestarter) which keeps returning    "free(): invalid pointer 0x828ece0!"  I just can't figure out what to do... anyone can help or inform me please?
[08:18] <Amaranth> bob2: That wouldn't work on a lot of systems. :P
[08:18] <Synek> Amaranth: afair there was something messing up with wine
[08:18] <bob2> Amaranth: sure
[08:18] <bob2> vinic_: that's a bug in firestarter, probably
[08:18] <Amaranth> Pretty much every Gentoo system should be safe. :)
[08:19] <jcole> bob2: understood... we know 99% of the time that "physical access == rooted" anyway...
[08:19] <davmor2> bob2 Ok and do you know of a site or list anywhere of games that will run on linux out of the box like neverwinter nights
[08:19] <bob2> davmor2: under wine? appdb.codewavers.com
[08:19] <vinic_> bob2 thanks for answering, is this linked to Gnome?
[08:19] <Amaranth> Yeah, unless you encrypt everything on your filesystem physical access always means they can get your stuff.
[08:20] <davmor2> bob2 ta  :)
[08:20] <bob2> vinic_: I don't think it's an official gnome thing
[08:20] <vinic_> bob2 : well...
[08:20] <Amaranth> davmor2: You'll probably have to purchase Cedega to play Windows games.
[08:20] <vinic_> :)
[08:20] <jcole> Amaranth: in linux the problem is just fixed, no need for so-called av-software... in winduhs there is just too much code for m$ to rewrite, so the obvious hack is to install av software...
[08:20] <Amaranth> davmor2: It's cheap and easy.
[08:20] <bob2> vinic_: oh, does it link against gnome libs?
[08:21] <bob2> vinic_: I don't know, but it uses gtk at least
[08:21] <bob2> well, you can't get complacent, lots of software on linux is buggy in ways that can be exploited
[08:21] <vinic_> bob2 : I dont know! :o)
[08:22] <Amaranth> jcole: Most of the time a smart user can use Windows and never get a virus the same way that most Linux users don't.
[08:22] <Amaranth> By not running things from random places and such.
[08:22] <Amaranth> But then a remote exploit comes out and all of the sudden you need either a firewall or antivirus.
[08:22] <vinic_> Is there a way to reply to port scan attack, in a funny way?
[08:23] <jnk> In nautilus: shouldn'nt there be an entry in the "right-click menu" to create zip/tgz/... archives ?
[08:23] <bob2> that could be handy
[08:23] <bob2> you could propose it
[08:23] <vinic_> yep
[08:24] <jnk> well I thought there was one!
[08:24] <jnk> I'm sure I used it once... maybe in debian?
[08:24] <zAo^> ex-windows-user? :)
[08:24] <vinic_> there's a "Create an archive..."
[08:24] <jnk> zAo^: tsss :)
[08:24] <zAo^> :P
[08:25] <vinic_> good enough?
[08:25] <vinic_> :D
[08:25] <Amaranth> vinic_: I don't see it.
[08:25] <zAo^> :)
[08:25] <jnk> vinic_: you right-click on a file or folder and you have "Create an archive..." ? I don't
[08:25] <vinic_> folder only
[08:25] <zAo^> I have that option 2 :P
[08:25] <jnk> maybe some package is missing on my system
[08:25] <zAo^> jah
[08:25] <Amaranth> I don't have that for anything.
[08:26] <vinic_> unlucky dude
[08:26] <vinic_> :)
[08:26] <zAo^> installed file-roller?
[08:26] <Amaranth> You guys have extra software. :P
[08:26] <jnk> ah I'm running hoary...
[08:26] <jnk> file-roller is installed
[08:26] <Amaranth> file-roller is a part of ubuntu-desktop so yes
[08:26] <zAo^> k
[08:26] <jnk> Amaranth: are you in warty or hoary?
[08:26] <Amaranth> hoary
[08:27] <Amaranth> oh!
[08:27] <Amaranth> they removed bonobo extension support from nautilus
[08:27] <jnk> rmm
[08:27] <Amaranth> i bet file-roller had an extension to make that show up
[08:28] <jnk> I hope they plan something to bring back this feature
[08:29] <zAo^> btw: 0 ops? :S
[08:29] <scizzo> zAo^: don't need op
[08:29] <zAo^> :)
[08:29] <zAo^> my 1st time here, so :) I'm a former Debian Sarge user
[08:31] <bob2> there's lots of ops, just not opped at the moment
[08:34] <tvon|x31> they linger in the shadows untill someone crosses the line, then they attack in force
[08:36] <HWolf> ogra, are you around?
[08:37] <vinic_> Is there a way to reply to port scan attack, in a funny way? or not funny... :)
[08:37] <HWolf> vinic_ yeah, there are, but none legal.
[08:37] <vinic_> yeh but you know
[08:37] <charley> RythymBox keeps locking up when i try to play things. Is this normal? Its happened every time i've used rythym box so far. And if it is normal, then why is it still included in distributions?
[08:38] <vinic_> just to say hello
[08:38] <charley> hello
[08:38] <vinic_> :)
[08:38] <vinic_> charley just play some good music!
[08:38] <vinic_> ;)
[08:38] <HWolf> vinic_ port scanning is illegal, as are most of hose similar things. Don't do it. :-)
[08:39] <vinic_> yep
[08:39] <vinic_> I wont
[08:39] <Amaranth> wtf
[08:39] <vinic_> I dont have time
[08:39] <Amaranth> Why is port scanning illegal?
[08:39] <Amaranth> That makes no sense.
[08:39] <charley> port scanning is not illegal, so far as i know.
[08:39] <vinic_> but sometimes port scans are so violent
[08:39] <charley> It is only illegal to try to gain access to something which you should not have access to.
[08:39] <Amaranth> charley: Depends on what country your legal system is in. ;)
[08:39] <vinic_> I just want to say .... well, you know ... rude words
[08:39] <charley> Maybe.
[08:40] <HWolf> charley, basicly, if you don't have permission to do something, explicitly, it's illegal. :-)
[08:40] <HWolf> At least, in most countries. :-)
[08:40] <Amaranth> HWolf: Sadly it's supposed to be the other way around.
[08:40] <charley> Surely running a web server on port 80 implies permission?
[08:40] <HWolf> Amaranth, sure, but I don't design the law system
[08:40] <charley> And port scanning CAN be just another way of finding web servers. Or other servers.
[08:41] <vinic_> I dont want to scan ports, I just want to reply
[08:41] <scotth> in the US port scans arn't illegal... and I really don't know one where it is illegal
[08:41] <HWolf> charley, it depends, if you just acces the server, it's ok, but if you use it to get to his pc, it's illegal.
[08:41] <HWolf> scotth, a bunch of euro countries have laws that are quite strict.
[08:42] <charley> viniv, i would suggest learning about something like snort.
[08:42] <vinic_> what's this? snort
[08:42] <charley> From there you could probably write / find a script that would do 'something' in return to 'bad' servers.
[08:42] <vinic_> ok google
[08:42] <charley> yeah, do that.
[08:42] <HWolf> Is there anyone here who can help me troubleshoot alsa/esd?
[08:42] <vinic_> :)
[08:43] <charley> It is an 'intrusion detection system'
[08:43] <charley> It basically logs funny network activity to a text file. For example if someone was port scanning you.
[08:44] <zAo^> what do you guys say; 1000 euro 4x OZ Racing : http://www.ozracing.com/shared/car/racing/29_big.jpg  << good deal?
[08:44] <charley>  I've never seen one, but it couldnt be hard to write a script that 'responded' to portscans pickedd up by snort.
[08:44] <vinic_> yeh but I have a firewall for that
[08:44] <charley> Ok
[08:45] <scotth> I officially hate the fact that the keys to switch work spaces in gnome are ctrl-alt-arrow keys... grrr... all it takes is leaving your fingers on ctrl-alt and going to backspace and your done
[08:45] <HWolf> scotth, my control+alt+del does nothing in ubuntu... :-S
[08:45] <scotth> not delete... backspace
[08:46] <vinic_> cool, ctrl+alt+arrows... didnt know this one, thanks!
[08:46] <vinic_> :)
[08:46] <scotth> oh wait... I guess he just found that out
[08:46] <zanaga> i usually disable ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:46] <rodi> zanaga: why?
[08:46] <scotth> vinic_, be careful with it... Ive killed my xserver several times this week
[08:46] <vinic_> nice
[08:46] <vinic_> :/
[08:47] <scotth> zanaga, I would, but I'm running hoary and I don't know when my xserver is going to die on me
[08:47] <zanaga> rodi: after killing my session a few times while missing ctrl-alt-insert it seemed like a good idea..
[08:47] <zanaga> scotth: me too.. that's why i haven't disabled it in this laptop.. (i'll just try to keep myself from pressing it ;)
[08:48] <zanaga> oh, just to be clear.. i used to have xterm bound to ctrl-alt-insert
[08:49] <scotth> grrr... I wish there was a way for it to be disabled except for when I wanted to use it... like read my mind or something... will hoary+1 have mind reading support? ;-)
[08:50] <zanaga> heh
[08:50] <jono> anyone use a GPS with Linux and can recommend a decent HOWTO?
[08:53] <FSK405C> w00t...just about have ubuntu installed under qemu
[08:54] <mdke> does ubuntu have a facility for automatically doing security upgrades? maybe something a bit like the redhat network applet
[08:54] <kussic> hello everyone
[08:55] <mdke> hi
[08:55] <iz> ola
[08:56] <kussic> i have a question why since i've upgraded to Hoary everytime i login to X i get this error "No volume control elements and/or devices found."
[08:56] <iz> mdke you can do sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:56] <kussic> done that...
[08:56] <iz> kussic, gnome?
[08:56] <kussic> erm.. yes...
[08:56] <mdke> iz, not quite the same thing ;)
[08:57] <kussic> i am not sure if i'm using X.org or not...
[08:57] <mdke> kussic, look in /var/log and see if you have the Xorg log
[08:57] <iz> there's a tool in hoary for downloaden the latest pograms
[08:57] <mdke> kussic, but that is unrelated to your problem
[08:58] <kussic> XFree86.. no reference to X.org
[08:58] <mdke> kussic, gnome can't find your soundcard
[08:58] <kussic> my soundcard?
[08:58] <kussic> funny lspci says it's there
[08:58] <kussic> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[08:58] <kussic> crappy AC97
[08:58] <mdke> i don't know much about sound so I can't really help you
[08:59] <mdke> kussic, if you want to update to xorg tho you need to update all the packages in hoary, including the one which is kept back
[08:59] <kussic> hmm.. how do I do that?
[08:59] <mdke> kussic, go into synaptic, and have a look at the upgradeable packages
[09:00] <kussic> where's that?
[09:01] <iz> in your terminal
[09:01] <NewComer> i wanna compile kazehakase, it needs to find the pkg-config of mozilla, seems that it isn't there, any ideas?
[09:01] <mdke> erm, hang on
[09:01] <iz> type sudo synaptic
[09:01] <goonie> I need some help with mounting a samba share.. I get the following error: smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[09:01] <goonie> smbmnt failed: 1
[09:01] <kussic> brb... wife is shouts! :/
[09:02] <mdke> kussic, under the status tab in synaptic, you should get upgradeable packages in the left hand list
[09:02] <iz> NewComer, do you try to apt-get install pkg-config ?
[09:02] <mdke> kussic, you need to upgrade x-window-system. You can also do this with the command "sudo apt-get upgrade x-window-system"
[09:03] <NewComer> iz, /usr/bin/pkg-config is there
[09:03] <iz> and whats the error with compiling?
[09:03] <thenuke> hmm.. what might be qmake
[09:04] <thenuke> not make
[09:04] <NewComer> flooding coming
[09:04] <NewComer> checking for mozilla-gtkmozembed... Package mozilla-gtkmozembed was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[09:04] <NewComer> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `mozilla-gtkmozembed.pc'
[09:04] <NewComer> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[09:04] <NewComer> No package 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' found
[09:05] <goonie> nevermind my earlier question... saw my error :$
[09:05] <iz> NewComer, maybe you must compile mozilla thirst
[09:06] <NewComer> iz, on archlinux i just specified the mozilla's pkg-config path and it did fine, without compiling mozilla
[09:06] <iz> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2003-October/msg00094.html
[09:07] <wood1> Hello all, I am back
[09:07] <wood1> The Warty install finally worked
[09:08] <wood1> Well I am doing the first update thing, I am downloading 104 MB download of updates
[09:08] <warcraft3> How do i make the sign (APOSTROPHE):  '
[09:08] <wood1> What if I cancel this update now ?
[09:09] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[09:09] <wood1> bob2, are you there ?
[09:09] <Amaranth> wood1: If it's still downloading you can cancel it.
[09:09] <mdke> wood1, what stage is it at?
[09:09] <mdke> yeah
[09:09] <mdke> it will resume from the same place next time
[09:10] <Amaranth> If downloading is already done you'd better not try to cancel it.
[09:10] <wood1> Well it's at 8 % now
[09:10] <wood1> Well Amaranth, I just remove the network CD Drive and mounted it on the messed up Hoary Machine
[09:11] <wood1> I thought about installing Woody 3 but gave that idea up
[09:11] <wood1> Now all is well it seems
[09:11] <Amaranth> cool
[09:11] <warcraft3> Does any body know what key to press to make a    '
[09:11] <Amaranth> '?
[09:11] <thenuke> ' for me that comes from the left side of backspace
[09:12] <wood1> warcraft3, I don't understand your question ?
[09:12] <thenuke> wood1: he asked what key to press to type a '
[09:12] <chet> on my laptop, ' is 2 keys to the right of l
[09:12] <wood1> Try pressing the 2 keys from the alphabet l
[09:12] <wood1> L
[09:13] <wood1> on the right of the alphabet "l"
[09:13] <mdke> i don't get this question
[09:13] <wood1> 2 keys to the right of the letter L
[09:13] <mdke> warcraft3, you know how to do it, you did it when asking the question
[09:13] <warcraft3> I want to playaround with drpython, i need that sign to enter the tutorial: >>> 'spam eggs'
[09:13] <warcraft3> 'spam eggs'
[09:13] <warcraft3> >>> 'doesn\'t'
[09:13] <warcraft3> '
[09:14] <warcraft3>
[09:14] <thenuke> mdke: dont you think that he copypasted it from somewhere :)
[09:14] <wood1> Oh I see
[09:14] <mdke> doh
[09:14] <wood1> Which keyboard are you using ?
[09:14] <wood1> Is it a laptop and a Desktop ?
[09:14] <brion_busy> I just installed clamav on warty; when I update its virus definitions database (freshclam) it complains that the clamav version is too old (it's 0.73; JPEG 'virus' detection was added in 0.80). Is there a clean way to get a more up to date clamav package, or should I just remove the package and install it from source?
[09:14] <thenuke> "well, I use logitechs"
[09:14] <thenuke> :D
[09:14] <warcraft3> key tronic, latin-1-no ?
[09:15] <kussic> anyone knows how to configure an AC'97 onboard laptop soundcard?
[09:15] <thenuke> warcraft3: did you try on to the left from backspace?
[09:15] <wood1> brion_busy, is the virus thing a real threat to Ubuntu ?
[09:15] <warcraft3> `
[09:15] <thenuke> try with alt and such
[09:15] <warcraft3> not the right one thenuke
[09:15] <thenuke> I get ' from it :I
[09:15] <warcraft3> \\\``
[09:16] <mdke> brion_busy, no one knows how to support virus programs
[09:16] <brion_busy> wood1: the primary usefulness would be for scanning files on a server before they go out to silly Windows clients. My Ubuntu box isn't actually a server, but I do test on it.
[09:16] <wood1> Try the Shift + one key per time
[09:16] <NewComer> iz, it's probably mozilla-dev not being installed
[09:16] <mdke> brion_busy, can you ask the software producer?
[09:16] <warcraft3> Wood1 i have tried
[09:16] <pepsi_> warty, hoary, and grumpy... like a bad date
[09:17] <mdke> except for hoary, she's fine
[09:17] <wood1> Well it's good that you mentioned about Viruses, I should also get a Anti-Virus software installed in Ubuntu ?
[09:17] <brion_busy> mdke: I can always install from source, of course. But there's a package system in the distribution, and it's always nice when things are updated.
[09:17] <mdke> brion_busy, in which repository did you find the package?
[09:17] <wood1> warcraft3, what about Alt + key
[09:17] <mdke> wood1, no don't worry people don't write viruses for linux yet
[09:17] <PotajiTo> wenas
[09:18] <warcraft3> U+0027 APOSTROPHE
[09:18] <PotajiTo> hi
[09:18] <warcraft3> have tried that one wood...
[09:18] <wood1> Well what is I copy a virus and pass it on to my Windows Network ?
[09:18] <zerokarmaleft> any mono developers in here?
[09:18] <PotajiTo> i've just reinstalled ubuntu warty... cai do a COMPLETE upgrade to hoary?
[09:18] <wood1> Well than I think that you have to install an version of the keyboard or something like that
[09:18] <mdke> PotajiTo, if you like
[09:19] <wood1> Sure you can install Hoary
[09:19] <mdke> wood1, try using linux on all your computers
[09:19] <mdke> :)
[09:19] <brion_busy> mdke: according to Synaptic, it's in Section: Utilities (universe). So it's not part of the Ubuntu desktop core, but is available in the universe extras.
[09:19] <zAo^> can some1 help me with VMWare ?
[09:19] <PotajiTo> but how?in my last install i chaged the repos to hoary and updated only xorg
[09:19] <wood1> Well then I have to teach all my collegues the basics of Linux
[09:19] <PotajiTo> i want to update all now
[09:19] <zAo^> the script doesnt see my C headers
[09:20] <wood1> OotjiTo, then just change the sources.list
[09:20] <warcraft3> wood, i have a norwegian keyboard, I need it to be norwegian layout...
[09:20] <mdke> brion_busy, they don't work on those packages, which come straight from debian, so some of em get out of date. the same happens with the realplayer installer. its probably best to get the software independently
[09:20] <brion_busy> mdke: thanks. looks like debian-testing currently has 0.80, so it's just out of date...
[09:21] <brion_busy> [it == universe]
[09:21] <mdke> PotajiTo, change each instance of warty to hoary in your apt sources.list
[09:21] <zerokarmaleft> zAo^, which headers did you install?
[09:21] <PotajiTo> i'v already done that........
[09:21] <mdke> PotajiTo, ok fine then do a dist upgrade
[09:21] <PotajiTo> but i want to upgrade all, not package by package
[09:21] <PotajiTo> haha
[09:21] <PotajiTo> how?
[09:22] <mdke> PotajiTo, either use synaptic to mark all upgrades and select smart upgrade, or do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal
[09:22] <PotajiTo> thanks
[09:22] <mdke> yw
[09:22] <zAo^> zerokarmaleft installed kernel source from a kernel.org mirror and the standard headers
[09:22] <wood1> Well, did you change your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[09:23] <zAo^> zerokarmaleft, thnx anywayz :) have the right headers right now :-) Thanks for the help
[09:23] <wood1> By the way, regarding the virus thing, how do I : apt-get install anti-virus ???
[09:24] <Amaranth> wood1: The day we have to worry about Linux viruses is the day I switch to FreeBSD.
[09:24] <mdke> wood1, you don't need a virus checker
[09:24] <Amaranth> And I don't see that happening any time soon.
[09:25] <wood1> Amaranth, what is wrong with FreeBSD ?
[09:25] <Amaranth> Nothing.
[09:25] <wood1> I heard that it is God Father of Linux
[09:25] <zerokarmaleft> nothing
[09:25] <brion_busy> wood1: the only reason to use an antivirus program on Linux/Unix is to scan files that your Linux/Unix server is going to send to Windows-based clients.
[09:25] <Amaranth> I was just trying to be funny while pointing out that you don't have to worry about viruses.
[09:25] <mdke> brion_busy, even that is weird
[09:26] <Amaranth> And it isn't "God Father of Linux"
[09:26] <mdke> brion_busy, just get a virus checker on the windows clients
[09:26] <Amaranth> Linux was written because Linus wanted something better then Minix and wanted to explore 386 assembly.
[09:26] <brion_busy> mdke: security isn't a magic bullet (unfortunately!) having a little filtering at several different levels offer more overall protection.
[09:26] <mdke> i guess if you have a big server and lots of clients it is worth it
[09:26] <wood1> Well what kind of files do you normally send to Window's Clients ?
[09:26] <Synek> Hm, funny, Ubuntu didn't ask me for root pass during the install
[09:27] <mdke> Synek, check the Faq for root password
[09:27] <pepsi_> Synek, it doesnt... there is no password.. use sudo
[09:27] <wood1> .exe  , .pif  , jsp ???
[09:27] <Synek> So i can't ;)
[09:27] <wood1> Synek just type:    sudo passwd root
[09:27] <mdke> wood1, don't tell people that
[09:28] <mdke> Synek, you don't need the root account
[09:28] <wood1> then type in your own password first
[09:28] <PotajiTo> can i have hardware acelerated shadows with xorg using xcompmgr with an ati 8500. I have them with an gforce2mx
[09:28] <wood1> Well I do need the root Account
[09:28] <mdke> wood1, i doubt it
[09:28] <scotth> PotajiTo, I don't think so
[09:28] <FSK405C> ubuntu over qemu - this should prove interesting :D
[09:29] <wood1> My Gentoo collegue told me that it is a bad idea using:  sudo   ?
[09:29] <PotajiTo> ... scotth because ati propieatrie drivers?
[09:29] <PotajiTo> and xorg 6.8.1?
[09:29] <mdke> wood1, well the ubuntu developers have decided that it is a good idea
[09:29] <wood1> Well I like the sudo thing too myself
[09:30] <mdke> wood1, and they know what they're talking about :)
[09:30] <wood1> But I really don't want to type the password everytime I sudo
[09:30] <melazyboy> PotajiTo: No i don't believe you can, fglrx does not work with the new xorg yet and i dont believe dri works with anything above the 8250
[09:30] <mdke> wood1, you don't have to
[09:30] <wood1> By the way, I looove see the root@hostname !!!!!
[09:30] <PotajiTo> i've heard that is above 9000
[09:30] <mdke> wood1, it saves your password for a limited time. and if you want a shell with root permissions, you can type sudo -s
[09:30] <scotth> PotajiTo, I think its something like that, I heard someone was working on making the driver sane, but work was going slow
[09:30] <mdke> that will give you the root@ thing too
[09:30] <melazyboy> PotajiTo: I know i can't, im using the 9800. FGLRX doesn't work with xorg, and dri doesn't support my card
[09:31] <PotajiTo> i will try it, i can't loose anything
[09:31] <thenuke> Something definately bugs in Ubuntu, on two different machines, when I start for example gtoaster, I can barely read any texts in it
[09:31] <thenuke> they are sooo small
[09:31] <wood1> Well what happens if I forgot the 1st User Account's password and also did not create a root password ?
[09:31] <PotajiTo> althought ati said that they will elase their new driver on december
[09:31] <thenuke> I would need to use magnifying glass on the screen :I
[09:31] <mdke> wood1, then you are weird
[09:31] <melazyboy> wood1: Reinstall.
[09:31] <mdke> wood1, same thing applies where you forget the root password
[09:31] <scotth> no help to us poor losers on the powerpc arch
[09:31] <thenuke> someone told me to use gtk-theme-switch, but I cant do anything to help me with that
[09:32] <wood1> Then the root account becomes useful
[09:32] <mdke> until you forget that one too
[09:32] <weswh-> anyone know how nforce2 chipset support is? in terms of network and sound..?
[09:32] <wood1> Ha Ha Ha
[09:32] <mdke> then you forget where you live, so you can't find the computer to reinstall
[09:32] <mdke> and you forget your name, and they put you in a mental institution
[09:32] <wood1> Well my memory is good
[09:32] <mdke> ok np then
[09:33] <mdke> mine sucks
[09:33] <wood1> Ok us then
[09:33] <PotajiTo> i need a paper for that such of things mdke
[09:33] <PotajiTo> is better than beeing in a mental insittution
[09:33] <wood1> Just type the root and username password and encrypt it
[09:35] <wood1> Well going back to the Anti-Virus thing, our Server uses Clamscan anti-virus
[09:36] <wood1> So brion, what did you say that the command for installing the Clamscan Anti-Virus software was ?
[09:36] <mdke> wood1, you can search for packages like this "apt-cache search clam"
[09:37] <wood1> clamav
[09:39] <calamari> is there a way to get Windows .lnk shortcuts to be usable under linux?
[09:39] <wood1> thanks mdke
[09:39] <wood1> Usable for what ?
[09:39] <wood1> Pointing at the file or running it !!!
[09:40] <Symbolix> I am installing ubuntu w/ debian floppy images. It says that the kernerls on the cd are incompatible w/ the installer. What do I do? This is all that I have done : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7307
[09:40] <njs12345> perhaps a bit longer than 1/2hour, but meh :D
[09:40] <calamari> wood1: It's actually pointing to a directory.  I'm hoping for it to act like a symbolic link
[09:40] <njs12345> first impressions are: it rules
[09:40] <calamari> njs12345: yes, it does :)
[09:41] <wood1> calamari, why don't you just create a small little script to point to that directory ?
[09:41] <njs12345> it even autodetected my sound card.. the only thing I had to setup manually was the graphics card (9800XT) and wireless card (crapped up network setup)
[09:41] <calamari> hmm.. wonder if I can create a symbolic link on a windows fs :)
[09:42] <tritium> I can't recall where I saw ubuntu grub splash images.  Anybody know?
[09:42] <wood1> You mean the sites hosting the Splash images ?
[09:42] <wood1> tritium
[09:42] <tritium> wood1, I guess so, if there's not an official one.
[09:43] <Symbolix> I think I need to use diff floppy images, which will work with the ubuntu cd?
[09:43] <njs12345> calamari: the only way to find out is to try
[09:43] <njs12345> then again, they say curiosity killed the cat
[09:43] <njs12345> your choice :P
[09:43] <fargon> curiosity killed the chat? never!
[09:43] <tritium> I thought there were images on the Warty Release page under images at one time.
[09:43] <thenuke> argh. does anybody know how to change fontsize in GTK-applications?  I cant read anything because of the font size is way too small
[09:43] <mdke> thenuke, there is a wiki on it
[09:43] <njs12345> thenuke: it's something to do with .gtkrc files
[09:44] <njs12345> hmm
[09:44] <wood1> tritium, you can check out: http://www.customize.org/details/36284
[09:44] <njs12345> does anyone here have a dual monitor setup on a fairly recent (9500+) card without fglrx?
[09:44] <tritium> wood1, thanks
[09:44] <thenuke> I will check the wiki, I just tried searching the forums
[09:45] <njs12345> I want to ditch the crappy binary drivers, but I can't because I can't set up my dualies
[09:45] <Symbolix> I am installing ubuntu w/ debian floppy images. It says that the kernerls on the cd are incompatible w/ the installer. What do I do? This is all that I have done : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7307
[09:48] <Symbolix> Anybody?
[09:48] <njs12345> no idea, sorry
[09:48] <Symbolix> np
[09:49] <davmor2> why can you not boot from cd
[09:49] <Symbolix> I have a HP, and I can see the CD-ROM drive in the boot menu, but it wont actually boot from the cd
[09:49] <Symbolix> I can explore the CD from DOS, however
[09:50] <davmor2> symbolix have you got a boot disc for windows
[09:50] <mdke> Symbolix, did someone tell you that you can use debian boot floppies to install ubuntu?
[09:50] <mdke> maybe there is a guide on it
[09:51] <Symbolix> I downloaded floppy images to install, and it actually boots, but when the installation goes to read the cd it says that the kernels in the archive and the installer are incompatible, use a diff vers
[09:51] <wood1> Well Symbolix, sorry man no idea on it
[09:51] <wood1> But your option is very good
[09:51] <Symbolix> Yes, in the install guide on the cd it talks about booting from floppies
[09:51] <mdke> Symbolix, ah ok, and does it say which floppies to download?
[09:52] <wood1> I guess that you have tried all the support and documentation at Wiki ?
[09:52] <Symbolix> It gives a link (ill find it in a minute) to the debian ftp server, and it is the most recent version of the installer images
[09:52] <davmor2> symbolix do you have a bootable dos or windows floppy
[09:52] <Symbolix> I have posted on the ubunut forums, and looked through the HOWTOs, etc. I think that the images I downloaded are too recent
[09:53] <Symbolix> Windows floppy
[09:53] <mdke> Symbolix, you are following these instructions? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[09:54] <Symbolix> mdke: 1 sec
[09:54] <mdke> Symbolix, if you follow that guide exactly you should get there ok
[09:55] <mdke> method 2 seems quite cool as well
[09:56] <wood1> One thing worries me alot about Ubuntu Linux ?
[09:56] <Symbolix> I will try it, but i dont have a knoppix cd, so method 2 doesnt work
[09:56] <kbrooks> i want to be a member of the ubuntu maintainers team. :)
[09:56] <wood1> How can we use our Ubuntu CD as a rescue disc ?
[09:56] <mdke> kbrooks, wiki, bounties
[09:57] <njs12345> wood1: Ubuntu Cd isn't the best rescue disk
[09:57] <kbrooks> mdke, do i search for 'bounties'
[09:57] <mdke> kbrooks, something like that
[09:57] <njs12345> a lot of the space is taken up by the huge packages like openoffice
[09:57] <wood1> What happens if a Windows XP loader overwrites my Ubuntu GRUB loader ?
[09:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> lns bbc or similar is better
[09:57] <njs12345> if you can download 27mb and have a free CD, (R)(I)(P) is very good http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/
[09:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> lnx
[09:58] <njs12345> also, you can boot linux from the windows XP bootloader
[09:59] <mdke> kbrooks, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[10:00] <tritium> This is strange...I just added universe and multiverse, and I can't find octave-forge with apt-cache search...
[10:01] <mdke> have you updated?
[10:01] <njs12345> apt-get update
[10:01] <wood1> Why is my Ubuntu System getting slower and slower ?
[10:01] <tritium> I did that
[10:01] <mdke> tritium, it is there
[10:02] <wood1> Also single clicking the Window Title becomes double-clicking
[10:02] <tritium> mdke, I'm glad.  I do need it.  I wonder why I can't get it, though.
[10:02] <wood1> Is that due to some kind of virus
[10:02] <mdke> tritium, try "sudo apt-get update" again
[10:02] <tritium> mdke, I have done that a few times now.
[10:03] <mdke> tritium, i dunno what to suggest. it's definitely in the hoary universe package. perhaps someone else will confirm warty
[10:04] <tritium> I just installed today, so I haven't dist-upgraded yet to hoary.
[10:04] <tritium> I hope it's in warty.
[10:04] <mdke> can someone check>?
[10:04] <wood1> My machine is getter really slow, seems that I have to do a reboot
[10:05] <njs12345> wood1: try running "top" in a terminal
[10:05] <njs12345> see what's using up the most memory and/or processor
[10:05] <zerokarmaleft> does synaptic keep d/led packages that haven't been installed when you exit?
[10:05] <wood1> It's XFree86
[10:05] <wood1> at the top
[10:06] <wood1> 2nd is the Gnome-Terminal
[10:06] <wood1> How do I refresh all the things in "top" ?
[10:06] <mdke> zerokarmaleft, yes
[10:07] <njs12345> refresh them? it does it automatically, I think
[10:07] <wood1> By the way, how does "top" works in the first place ?
[10:07] <wood1> I typed it almost a million times but don't really get the idea of ti
[10:07] <wood1> it
[10:08] <wood1> How do I kill a process in top ?
[10:08] <zerokarmaleft> it's just a process monitor
[10:08] <njs12345> press "h" for help
[10:09] <wood1> That's the part I hate the most " pressing "h" for help
[10:09] <jono> what option do I tick in the kernel config tool to support a serial device?
[10:09] <wood1> And I also dislike the man  pages
[10:09] <wood1> Jono, for a modem ?
[10:10] <mdke> wood1, i know what you need for christmas.
[10:10] <jono> wood1, well its actually for a gps, but I think its a generic option anyway
[10:10] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone know how to disable individual sound events? If I go into the sound settings, I can change the sounds but not select 'none'.
[10:10] <wood1> No all I need for Christmas is a very very good book on Linux
[10:11] <wood1> I have not been using Windows XP since August
[10:12] <wood1> But Windows NT is not actually a bad thing
[10:12] <jono> wood1, any idea?
[10:12] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[10:12] <KING^^^> hello
[10:13] <KING^^^> how can i find a program that i have already installed it from synaptic and run it
[10:14] <wood1> Well Jono, I am very sorry to say that I have no idea, I am quite new to these things myself
[10:14] <Marble2> hm
[10:15] <Marble2> what's the best c compiler for ubuntu?
[10:15] <wood1> GCC of course
[10:15] <zerokarmaleft> that dang ol gcc is pretty good
[10:16] <wood1> Oh finally, the 104 MB of updating is complete
[10:17] <KING^^^> so ... nobody helps me ?
[10:17] <wood1> From my experience, switching to Hoary can be either a Blessing or a Curse
[10:17] <wood1> KING, what help do you need ?
[10:17] <KING^^^> how can i find a program that i have already installed it from synaptic and run it
[10:17] <zerokarmaleft> i'm trying to build the latest snapshot of nunit-gtk and i'm getting compile errors...mcs can't find certain Gtk# types but i've got it installed properly
[10:17] <wood1> What is the name of the Program that you installed from Synaptic ?
[10:17] <zerokarmaleft> any mono coders here use nunit?
[10:18] <jono> wood1, no probs :)
[10:18] <KING^^^> k3b
[10:18] <thenuke> whoa, k3b works now almost. I have two cd-rw in the machine and k3b says that they both are the readers
[10:18] <wood1> just type:  k3b on the Terminal
[10:18] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone know how to disable individual sound events? If I go into the sound settings, I can change the sounds but not select 'none'.
[10:18] <thenuke> I wonder how I scould change that :)
[10:18] <fargon> Someone should send a bunch of ubuntu cds to freelinuxcd.org
[10:19] <afed> zenwhen lmao
[10:19] <KING^^^>  WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid.
[10:19] <KING^^^> why it says this ?
[10:19] <zenwhen> hi afed
[10:19] <KING^^^> the program has started
[10:20] <wood1> That's because you are typing the KDE application on a GNOME Terminal
[10:20] <KING^^^> aha ...
[10:20] <KING^^^> ok
[10:20] <KING^^^> thx
[10:20] <tritium> I guess I'll just download the .deb from the pool off of an ftp server since apt can't find it (depite my adding universe/multiverse)
[10:20] <tritium> and use dpkg to install it (it being octave-forge)
[10:20] <wood1> you can key:    3kb &
[10:21] <Gmail> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4395
[10:21] <Gmail> is anyone else having that bug
[10:22] <mdke> Gmail, will check
[10:22] <tritium> That's so strange...
[10:23] <Gmail> this is in hoary of couse
[10:23] <Marble2> stupid question, but where do I download gcc?
[10:24] <Marble2> ive never used linux before
[10:24] <wood1> I am installing Warty again because Hoary messed my system to the point of no return
[10:25] <tritium> Actually, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz doesn't list octave-forge.  Neither does the package list for universe.
[10:25] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[10:25] <tritium> I guess it's not in Warty.
[10:25] <mdke> tritium, :(
[10:25] <Gmail> wood1: what mess your system?
[10:26] <tritium> mdke, Well, I guess I'll just dist-upgrade :)
[10:26] <wood1> OpenOffice.org
[10:26] <goonie> can anyone tell me how to modify my bootloader?
[10:26] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, use synaptic or apt-get if you want C++ / Java / Obj-C / etc. support
[10:26] <zerokarmaleft> goonie, edit grub.conf?
[10:27] <wood1> Does somebody knows the brazilian supermodel Isabela ?
[10:27] <Synek> wood1: ? ;-)
[10:27] <zerokarmaleft> goonie, in ubuntu it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:28] <goonie> ahh... thx zerokarmaleft
[10:29] <earthen> can someone help with the locate commend
[10:29] <earthen> commmand
[10:30] <earthen> when i try a serch i get this error /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:30] <Synek> pon gives me "line 43: [ -l:unary operator expected" after pon isp_name  - it's somewhat odd as it used to work in sarge
[10:32] <huz> hello, i'm trying to get my wireless card working which implies using ndiswrapper; but when i modprobe the kernel i get :
[10:32] <huz> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[10:33] <wood1> I think that you have to edit your blacklist file
[10:33] <wood1> huz
[10:34] <huz> wood1: the module isn't in /etc/hotplug/blacklist apparently
[10:35] <goonie> if I want to disable timout in my bootloader, do I comment out the timeout section or set the value to 0? I am dual booting and I want to choose the OS without a timeout
[10:35] <wood1> Why don't you just add the module in the blacklist file
[10:35] <iz> earthen updatedb thirst
[10:36] <huz> wood1: what do you mean ?
[10:36] <iz> goonie, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and timeout 10 to 0
[10:37] <earthen> Iz do i just type that in root console
[10:37] <goonie> k thx iz :)
[10:37] <iz> goone use nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:37] <iz> earthen, it takes a some time
[10:38] <iz> depends on the hd's
[10:38] <iz> on=off
[10:38] <iz> sjipz my english is not so perfect i see
[10:39] <earthen> thanks IZ that worked
[10:39] <arcadefx> I am having network troubles whenever I boot Ubuntu.  To access the internet I have to go to my SMC router and release/renew the IP.  I have Ubuntu on my laptop and WinXP - WinXP works fine.
[10:40] <iz> earthen, every night there is a updatedb on your machine
[10:40] <michael> did somebody get mod-mono to work?
[10:40] <mdke> who knows how many people use ubuntu???
[10:40] <arcadefx> I get a warning message to disable PNP bios... I tried "nobiospnp" in the grub menu.lst file, but to no avail -- I still get the PNP warning.
[10:41] <zerokarmaleft> michael, i'm still working on getting parts of mono to work
[10:41] <zerokarmaleft> stuff off svn anyway
[10:42] <iz> michael, what do you want to run under it? aspx ?
[10:42] <amathis> why isn't firefox 10.0 in apt-get???
[10:42] <amathis> err
[10:42] <amathis> 1.0
[10:42] <arcadefx> I have a desktop PC running WinXP, as soon as I boot into Ubuntu on my laptop -- down goes the network. grr. ;)
[10:42] <njs12345> amathis: it just isn't - i believe it's in hoary
[10:42] <iz> arcadefx, dhcp?
[10:42] <arcadefx> yah
[10:42] <njs12345> speaking of things
[10:43] <amathis> njs12345: hoary?
[10:43] <iz> and there's no ip ?
[10:43] <njs12345> well basically
[10:43] <michael> zerokarmaleft: i got everything else to work. but i cannot tell you what i exactly did. it was very messy.
[10:43] <njs12345> you have "warty" which is the current stable release
[10:43] <njs12345> and "hoary" which is the development release
[10:43] <amathis> oh
[10:43] <amathis> ok
[10:43] <amathis> is it possible to get my hands on the 1.0 .deb ?
[10:43] <njs12345> now my turn to ask a Q
[10:43] <arcadefx> iz: I have an IP, I can access remote hosts via ip address only.
[10:43] <zerokarmaleft> michael, the only think i'm having trouble with is building nunit-gtk atm
[10:44] <arcadefx> iz: it's like DNS was messed up.
[10:44] <iz> aha weird
[10:44] <njs12345> is there any way to "block" a package from being installed? I want to switch to Hoary but stop xfree being upgraded to xorg (fglrx drivers don't work)
[10:44] <michael> zerokarmaleft: wha's this?
[10:44] <thenuke> what new hoary should bring?
[10:44] <thenuke> I mean, I upgraded one box to hoary and cannot tell the difference :D
[10:44] <arcadefx> iz: I think it's this PNP bios setting.... I put it on the line with the kernel options as "nobiospnp"
[10:44] <njs12345> you mean, what new things?
[10:45] <njs12345> lol
[10:45] <zerokarmaleft> michael a GUI interface for nunit-console, part of the mono base assemblies, for unit testing
[10:45] <njs12345> I want firefox 1 for the find bar.. I loved that
[10:45] <zero> can anyone shoot me a link to upgrading from warty to hoary? I checked the wiki but i found too many links that had similar things
[10:45] <njs12345> zero: you using synaptic?
[10:45] <thenuke> zero: well it's easy
[10:45] <arcadefx> iz: but it fails to see "nobiospnp" -- appears to not see it.
[10:45] <iz> arcadefx, and disable your pnp in your bios?
[10:45] <michael> zerokarmaleft: ok. this i don't need.
[10:45] <zero> brand new fresh install
[10:45] <arcadefx> iz: I will try it...heh.
[10:45] <Hikaru79> Hmm... I just upgraded to Hoary, and all of a sudden, "Extract Archive" has disappeared from right-click on .tar.gz, .zip, etc files. What do I need to do to bring it back? ^ ^;;
[10:45] <njs12345> ah
[10:46] <thenuke> zero: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list  and change every 'warty' to 'hoary'
[10:46] <njs12345> zero: go to Computer->System Configuration->Package Manager
[10:46] <zero> Tried that i get errors
[10:46] <thenuke> zero: then you do sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[10:46] <njs12345> oh
[10:46] <zerokarmaleft> michael, haven't tried mod-mono though...i run win/IIS in a vmware to serve asp.net stuff
[10:46] <zero> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7334
[10:46] <mdke> zero, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[10:46] <njs12345> ack
[10:46] <njs12345> asp.net?
[10:46] <njs12345> ack ack ack
[10:47] <Gmail> lol
[10:47] <Hikaru79> Anyone? =/
[10:47] <mdke> zero, you did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[10:47] <michael> zerokarmaleft: me too. but i will get mono to work on apache just for testing.
[10:47] <Kano_AMD64> hi
[10:47] <iz> apsx with mono is cewl on a linux machine
[10:47] <Kano_AMD64> whats the source of libxinerama-dev
[10:47] <njs12345> no idea, sorry
[10:47] <thenuke> zero: but be aware of that, many of those who have upgraded to hoary has screwed up their system
[10:48] <njs12345> iz: true
[10:48] <zero> bleh... I wanted hoary mainly for the new packages..... it says that gaim 1.0.0 is the latest which is far from true
[10:48] <njs12345> I can't help feeling uneasy about mono though
[10:48] <thenuke> zero: so if you do not like the fact it is possible that you must do re-install someday, do not do it :) you wont gain that much from it
[10:48] <iz> Kano_AMD64, xlibs-static-dev ?
[10:48] <njs12345> zero: me too, I need to figure out how to block xorg though
[10:48] <zero> thenuke, .... put it to you this way, i format more then i change underwear..... which can be a bad thing really but its not
[10:50] <zerokarmaleft> iz, aspx with mono and a mysql backend :)
[10:51] <iz> zerokarmaleft, rokz
[10:51] <njs12345> lol zero, me too
[10:51] <njs12345> my linux distro record was on Gentoo, which was what I had up last
[10:51] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, same here
[10:51] <njs12345> :)
[10:52] <Kano_AMD64> iz: is that when you do apt-get source libxinerama-dev ?
[10:52] <njs12345> apt totally owns portage though
[10:52] <zero> i was using gentoo for a bit
[10:52] <zero> slackware mostly
[10:52] <zero> ubuntu is just nice and light weight and smooooooth
[10:52] <zerokarmaleft> realized apt-get rages
[10:53] <zero> Is it really mandatory that i switch to UTF-8?
[10:53] <zero> it made my fonts incredibly ugly
[10:53] <theine> is it already possible to play dvd's with totem-gstreamer?
[10:53] <njs12345> zero: there's likely something wrong with your fonts then
[10:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> haha
[10:54] <zero> well im gonna roll back to warty
[10:54] <zerokarmaleft> theine, if you're dead set on using totem to watch dvds, install totem-xine
[10:55] <theine> zerokarmaleft: i know that i can do that, but i'm just curious
[10:56] <zerokarmaleft> theine, i tried for several days to get totem-gstreamer working
[10:57] <zerokarmaleft> theine, it's just not worth the effort, imho
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> wtf
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> my usb hard drive isn't working
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> well, it is working
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> for some reason it didn't create /dev/sda
[10:58] <Quest-Master> I think my Ubuntu just had a heart attack
[10:58] <Quest-Master> I had to boot it up through Recovery Mode
[10:59] <Quest-Master> It wouldn't start up the normal way.. a bunch of random pixels and gradients just kept on flashing on the screen till I rebooted
[10:59] <njs12345> hmm
[10:59] <Gmail> why don't we make /usr/bin/gksu point to /usr/bin/gksudo ???
[10:59] <Quest-Master> And, Allegro isn't working on it either ;-; Keeps on giving signal 11.
[10:59] <njs12345> this is a really noobish question
[10:59] <njs12345> but
[10:59] <njs12345> in dpkg-reconfigure (I think it's ncurses-based) how do I change the checkboxes? what are the keys for doing it?
[11:00] <zerokarmaleft> if it's ncurses-based,shouldn't it be spacebar?
[11:00] <njs12345> yup
[11:00] <njs12345> thanks
[11:01] <theine> Hrdwr_BoB: does dmesg say anything about that?
[11:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> theine: the device is detected
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> the driver is loaded
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> however it doesn't load the scsi hard disk module
[11:02] <theine> Hrdwr_BoB: and if you load it manually?
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> still nothing
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[11:03] <arcadefx> brb
[11:03] <njs12345> ok
[11:03] <njs12345> tomorrow is D-day for hoary
[11:04] <treed> d-day?
[11:04] <treed> it's invading france?
[11:04] <njs12345> lol
[11:04] <njs12345> nope, just my PC
[11:04] <treed> ah
[11:04] <treed> is your pc in france?
[11:04] <njs12345> nope
[11:04] <njs12345> so I guess it has no relevance whatsoever to d-day
[11:04] <njs12345> ah crap, well.. it sounded cool
[11:04] <wfx> hi ogra ;-)
[11:05] <treed> heh
[11:05] <Gmail> he need another lang like java but does c and uses GTK+.... sort like how windoze does it
[11:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[11:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> works fine when I manually create the devices
[11:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> but mmm
[11:05] <njs12345> hmm..
[11:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> probably a hoary issue
[11:06] <njs12345> for hoary 533 packages need to be upgraded
[11:06] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:07] <MornHyland> hi
[11:07] <MornHyland> I tried booting the live CD on my 'convertable' (laptop/tablet)
[11:07] <MornHyland> and it crashes at the grub part
[11:07] <njs12345> hmm
[11:07] <njs12345> that's not right
[11:08] <njs12345> error message?
[11:08] <Gmail> lol
[11:08] <MornHyland> just says grub 1.5 and boom
[11:08] <Gmail> croupted?
[11:08] <Gmail> do a md5sum check now
[11:08] <MornHyland> ok, will do, one second
[11:09] <njs12345> time for some sleep methinks
[11:13] <Hikaru79> Hmm... I just upgraded to Hoary, and all of a sudden, "Extract Archive" has disappeared from right-click on .tar.gz, .zip, etc files. What do I need to do to bring it back? ^ ^;;
[11:15] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, Hoary is development based. It will break and often. It could be that in a few days a new package will come out that will fix the issue.
[11:16] <Synek> What's the point in ugrade to hoary if're not a developer? aprta of curiosity, of course ;-)
[11:16] <Synek> s/aprta/apart/
[11:17] <Hikaru79> Nick_Jacked, yeah, I know, but I was hoping it was perhaps just some small thing I had to install in Synaptic or something =/
[11:18] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, sorry it couldn't be that easy. If you need a stable system, stick with Warty, but if you want to be cutting edge expect these things to happen, often..... :-)
[11:19] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, what kind of problems have you been running into with Hoary?
[11:19] <KING^^^> hello
[11:19] <KING^^^> i have a question
[11:20] <HcE> don't ask to ask ;)
[11:20] <KING^^^> root@ubuntu:/ # apt-get python2.2
[11:20] <KING^^^> E: Invalid operation python2.2
[11:20] <Hikaru79> Try apt-get install python2.2
[11:20] <KING^^^> why ?
[11:20] <Hikaru79> Or use synaptic
[11:20] <Stuttergart> Does Ubuntu ship a GUI app to manipulate SysV runlevel scripts?
[11:20] <Stuttergart> I can't seem to find one
[11:20] <Stuttergart> I'm running hoary
[11:20] <KING^^^> now it works thx
[11:21] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, I have not used it actually. To be honest, I rarely use Ubuntu right now but plan to use it in a Non-Profit I hope to start helping bringing computers to the "Third World"
[11:21] <HcE> KING^^^: you need to give apt-get a parameter, it can do more than just install =)
[11:21] <tc> I'm trying to install Ubuntu and I get the following message when trying to apt-get linux "E: Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory)". Does anyone know how top create it?
[11:21] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, excellent
[11:22] <KING^^^> what more HcE ?
[11:22] <mng> I have a question regarding ubuntu, laptops and battery usage..
[11:22] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, I am an RHCE and I work at Intel right now, so it's all about RHES 3 and Suse ES 9..... :-(
[11:22] <mng> it seems that my laptop suddenly uses a lot more battery now that I installed ubuntu
[11:22] <HcE> KING^^^: apt-get --help
[11:23] <Hikaru79> KING^^^, try man apt-get
[11:23] <Hikaru79> That works too
[11:23] <Nick_Jacked> mng, I believe something called CPUFreqReg would help...
[11:23] <HcE> mng: seems like your speedstep thingy dosn't work
[11:23] <confrey> I need help about gprs connection
[11:24] <mng> according to the information thingie on the gnome panel its currently running at 600 MHz
[11:24] <mng> and under load it runs all the way upto 1.7 GHz
[11:24] <KING^^^> HcE: now after i have installed it , what i do now
[11:24] <king_arthur> KING^^^ apt-get needs lots of reading and practice, aptitude is just better, synaptic is all you need to ues
[11:24] <arcadefx> ok, I got rid of the PNP bios warning now.  its "pnpbios=off" and not "nobiospnp"  ...but still having network trouble, I still have to release/renew the IP in the SMC router.  WinXP desktop + Ubuntu laptop = no go at boot. winxp desktop + winxp laptop = go on network on boot. sigh
[11:25] <king_arthur> ,,,synaptic is all you nee to USE :-)
[11:25] <KING^^^> i have used synaptic
[11:25] <KING^^^> but ... now that i have installed the program ... what i do next ? how i run it ?
[11:25] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:25] <Gmail> OMG look at this http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/msnwave11/messenger4.jpg
[11:26] <Gmail> m$ is using ubuntu logo
[11:26] <KING^^^> and how i can find it
[11:26] <fargon> How is that when I am upgrading, say XChat, I can still be using it?
[11:26] <HcE> KING^^^: now you have python installed
[11:26] <Gmail> sue them
[11:26] <Hikaru79> KING^^^ , just use 'python' on the command line
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Or, write a .py file and run 'pythong *filename*'
[11:26] <zerokarmaleft> what the deuce
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Er, *python
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Not *pythong
[11:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> Gmail: go and troll elsewhere
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Freudian slip, hehe
[11:26] <tc> I'm trying to install Ubuntu and I get the following message when trying to apt-get linux-686 "E: Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory)". Does anyone know how to create it?
[11:27] <Gmail> Hrdwr_BoB: i am not trolling but m$ is using the ubuntu circul idea
[11:28] <KING^^^> on the python site it says to install python2.2-dev
[11:28] <KING^^^> why ?
[11:28] <king_arthur> KING^^^: with due respect, I have the feeling you better leave python to a further stage...
[11:28] <Rocha> How do i install a .deb that i have downloaded?
[11:28] <zerokarmaleft> does ubuntu have a patent on circles?
[11:28] <KING^^^> ok king_arthur
[11:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> Gmail: you constantly bring up offtopic and ridiculous topics
[11:28] <tc> Rocha, dpkg -i file.deb
[11:28] <Gmail> Rocha: why wound you download it apt-get it
[11:28] <Gmail> Hrdwr_BoB: this is not
[11:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> Gmail: if you really have a problem, email the list or someone
[11:29] <Rocha> amsn 0.94 is not in a repository
[11:29] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, 258 patents on circles  and MS is violating all of them!
[11:29] <king_arthur> KING^^^: you need to practice linux first
[11:29] <Hikaru79> zerokarmaleft, lmao :P
[11:29] <Rocha> Gmail, that's why i downloaded by hand
[11:29] <KING^^^> yes i know
[11:30] <king_arthur> Gmail: everybody here hates you but me 8)
[11:30] <wfx> by
[11:30] <Gmail> Rocha: its not in the reps? you got universe in you list
[11:30] <Gmail> king_arthur: LOL
[11:30] <Rocha> Gmail, i have universe and multiverse
[11:30] <Rocha> Gmail, the only version is 0.92
[11:30] <hwm> which c compiler can I get and from where?
[11:31] <king_arthur> Gmail: how's the swell in bondi beach today
[11:31] <AndyR> i still havent sussed out how to stop nautilus opening new window every time when using home link on computer
[11:31] <Muskrat> get gcc
[11:32] <Rocha> AndyR, click with the middle mouse button
[11:32] <Gmail> king_arthur: i told you i don't goto the beach
[11:32] <hwm> always had gcc installed by default before, where do I get and what is required to install?
[11:32] <king_arthur> Gmail: :-)
[11:32] <Rocha> And change double to single click
[11:32] <thenuke> how do I add "starter" for k3b on the desktop :o it needs to be run as a root
[11:32] <king_arthur> Gmail: don't listen to radio forecast?
[11:32] <thenuke> It does not work if I tell it to run commmand sudo k3b .. :I
[11:33] <AndyR> Rocha, i only have 2 button laptop
[11:33] <Gmail> king_arthur: no and offtopic
[11:33] <Rocha> Hmmm, you should switch to browser mode i my opinion
[11:33] <Kano_AMD64> can someone give me this output:
[11:33] <Kano_AMD64> apt-cache show libxkbfile-dev|grep source
[11:33] <Rocha> Or else, click with both buttons
[11:33] <Rocha> both buttons equals middle button
[11:34] <Kano_AMD64> apt-cache show libxinerama-dev|grep source
[11:34] <Kano_AMD64> and that
[11:34] <Rocha> AndyR, do you know how to change double to single click?
[11:34] <Rocha> One click is much easier
[11:34] <Gmail> look at this http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1053/k1zlogo.jpg sue m$ already
[11:34] <AndyR> thats in properties
[11:35] <Rocha> Why should I want to open a folder with two click if just one can do the job? :)
[11:35] <Rocha> So...change from double to single and use both buttons to open the folders...
[11:35] <Rocha> ...that way, it closes the previous window.
[11:35] <Synek> Gmailh, looks pretty similar
[11:35] <Rocha> AndyR, if you don't like that, then switch to browser mode
[11:36] <Nivlem> Well upgraded Hoary and forgot to reboot..now my sound works for system sounds in Gnome..but that is all...Rythmbox plays..no sound output...what commands are available to setup sound? This is HoaryPPC
[11:36] <Rocha> AndyR, it's in the same place
[11:36] <Nivlem> Already checked dmesg and don't see anything about sound
[11:36] <confrey> I need help about gprs connection
[11:36] <Rocha> Edit->Preferences->Behaviour->Always open in browser windows.
[11:36] <thenuke> does someone know how to add icon on the desktop which starts programs as a root..
[11:37] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, Have you checked the sound mixer settings? PCM might be muted or all the way down.
[11:37] <AndyR> Rocha, done than now much better thank you
[11:37] <Nivlem> Nick_Jacked: Yep that was the first thing I checked..and sure enough it was down..but that has been corrected...
[11:37] <Rocha> AndyR, np :)
[11:38] <Rocha> AndyR, you may want to switch from "Information" to "Tree" in the browser mode
[11:38] <hwm> gcc home page has source and a few binaries but not for Linux - repeat where do I get gcc for ubuntu?
[11:38] <Nivlem> thenuke: Yes...just drag the icon that looks like a terminal icon...should say root terminal or something like that...drag to desktop and let go
[11:38] <Rocha> Browse a folder and on the left you have a combo box labeled "Information"
[11:38] <Rocha> Click there and change to "Tree"
[11:38] <Gmail> bob2: here? daniels here? mako here?
[11:38] <thenuke> Nivlem: I dont want a rootshell or something :)
[11:38] <thenuke> Nivlem: I need to run k3b as a root
[11:39] <thenuke> And I want to do it without a shell
[11:39] <Rocha> AndyR, I don't know if you prefer "Info" but I prefer "Tree"
[11:39] <Nivlem> hwm: apt-get install gcc..or open synaptic make sure your repositories are setup and search gcc then mark for download
[11:39] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, This is odd. I had a problem where Real Player didn't work, but Rythmbox did and I solved that as it seemed the Alsa - OSS mixer modules were not loading. Not too sure in your case.
[11:40] <thenuke> Nivlem: oh well, root terminal had a hint in it. gksudo k3b starts that as a root. humm.
[11:41] <Nivlem> Nick_Jacked: I upgraded to Hoary and no problems...a few days later I checked and there were additional packages to be updated..at this point after reboot is when I lost audio through Xmms and Rythmbox...xmms complained that my soundcard was not configured..even though I checked and ALSA was being selected
[11:41] <Quest-Master> .. why not to use Hoary, lol
[11:42] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, you just answered your own question....
[11:43] <Nivlem> Actually my question was specific to commands regarding configuration of sound card on a Macintosh...not any opinions on why you prefer not to use Hoary
[11:45] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, Hoary is bug filled, developmental software for testing only. You will constanly have issues if you choose to use it. Your computer is fine, but hoary will always be broken until they do the final release.
[11:46] <Hikaru79> Under what circumstances should I get the kernel-686? The guide says 'newer Intel/AthlonXP' but what constitutes 'newer'?
[11:46] <Nivlem> Nick_Jacked: I know this and accept this...however that has nothing to do with asking what command line utilties are available to use to check my sound card setup...
[11:47] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, That I am not too sure of on Ubuntu. I'd research it but I don't have an Ubuntu system to play with here at work. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
[11:48] <Hikaru79> Nick_Jacked, he's gone :P
[11:48] <fargon> Hikaru79, try uname -a and if it says you have a 686 processor, you can get the one you were talking about
[11:48] <Nick_Jacked> fine then....
[11:48] <hays> So is this a good transition distro?
[11:49] <Nick_Jacked> hay from what to what
[11:49] <Nick_Jacked> hays, from what to what?
[11:49] <Hikaru79> fargon, thanks :) Turns out I *do* have an 'i686'
[11:49] <Hikaru79> Thanks ^ ^
[11:49] <hays> Nick_Jacked, windows to linux
[11:50] <fargon> yw, Hikaru79
[11:50] <gen> haha
[11:50] <Nick_Jacked> hays, it's a good distro for both beginners and old timers.
[11:50] <Nick_Jacked> A friendly face on a Debian base!!!!
[11:51] <hays> hmm
[11:51] <zerokarmaleft> i tried getting a friend to transition to ubuntu and he was put off immediately b/c of gnome's default panel setup
[11:51] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, so that is when you ask what he wants and show him how easy it is to change.
[11:51] <Nick_Jacked> try that with windows
[11:52] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, ya i did
[11:52] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, no luck, eh?
[11:52] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, he's just a lazyass hippy so i don't hold it against him
[11:52] <hays> I also may try this distro to replace a slack computer
[11:52] <hays> It looks kinda nice
[11:53] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, If he truely is a hippy, he should be all over Linux, or maybe he is just too lazy (420?) to care.
[11:54] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, true...i guess he's not a Stallman-hippy
[11:54] <mjr> just tell him that Gates is the Man
[11:54] <zerokarmaleft> whatever that means
[11:54] <mjr> The Man, man? Man...
[11:56] <mjr> My work here is done.
[11:56] <AndyR> ubuntu has replaced 3 mandrake installs here
[11:56] <hays> heh
[11:57] <AndyR> anyone know if there is an smp kernel available?
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> AndyR: yes there is
[11:57] <AndyR> as i have 3 smp boxes at home here too
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> linux-image-2.6.9-1-686 on hoary
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> linux-image-2.6.9-1-686-sm6 on hoary
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> er smp
[11:58] <AndyR> :)
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache search 686-smp