[05:34] <HunterWittenborn> I'm trying to implement a wrapper around APT by using the `python3-apt` library, but whenever I call `DepCache().commit()` with the two progress arguments, this is always part of the output between the package downloading and installation stage:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/37afca42dbbb68c22c87941011e4df563b72db20)


[03:45] <ryanakca> mdke: In addition to those questions, where can I find self.universal_edit_button... from what I can see, MoinMoin 1.7 and greater have it in their theme/__init__.py , however, the Ubuntu wikis are running 1.6.3.
[10:54] <mdke> ryanakca: I'm afraid I've read all of those questions and don't know the answer to any of them. I'm not very good at python - i can only suggest you try #moin
[10:54] <mdke> ryanakca: sorry not to be of more use
[14:11] <ryanakca> mdke: Okies, thanks. I'll try there... and I'll try poking Heather Stern / Henrik Omma, since they wrote most of it :)
[23:20] <mdke> ryanakca: well, the theme has been rehashed quite severely since then... also moin versions have changed quite a lot
[23:26] <ryanakca> mdke: do you know if the sysadmins are planinng on upgrading the wiki?
[23:27] <ryanakca> mdke: some parts of the theme are incompatible with anything greater than 1.7.x iirc....
[23:28] <ryanakca> I'd rather plan a theme for an upgrade a month or two down the road than get it all lovely now, only to find out that they're upgrading everything in a week :)
[23:29] <mdke> ryanakca: pretty sure they won't be upgrading anytime soon - they only just did the last upgrade and that took years
[23:30] <mdke> ryanakca: but any upgrade requires a theme tweak, I guess
[23:30] <ryanakca> *nod*, ok, thanks
[23:31] <mdke> ryanakca: having said that, I don't actually know, I'm just guessing
[23:31] <mdke> an educated guess, let's say
[23:32] <Turl> anyone in charge of popcon.ubuntu.com?
[23:34] <mdke> Turl: no, I don't think so... newz2000 might be able to get access, the webmaster address is mentioned on the page
[23:35] <Turl> mdke: Made by  The Ubuntu Web Team . Last generated on Sat Jan  3 14:24:43 2009 UTC.
[23:35] <mdke> Turl: that's what I'm referring to, yes
[23:35] <Turl> isn't the ubuntu web team... you?
[23:35] <mdke> if you mouseover the link, it points at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:36] <Turl> yeah, very generic, don't you think? :p
[23:36] <mdke> Turl: newz2000 reads that email
[23:36] <Turl> ok
[23:39] <Turl> thx mdke, cya
[23:39] <mdke> bye
[23:39] <mdke> Turl: if you don't get anywhere, you'll need a sysadmin to help, they are in #canonical-sysadmin
[23:40] <mdke> (during the working week)
[23:51] <Turl> thx mdke


[00:38] <BUGabundo> Merry Xtmas everyone <3 http://goo.gl/SzUUv
[01:01] <penguin42> Hi BUGabundo
[01:01] <BUGabundo> yo my pal
[01:04]  * penguin42 is waiting for his netbook for finish an upgrade; it got an error about a failure part way thorugh so it's not happy
[01:07] <bjsnider> vlc must be using a built-in amplifier or something, because it has a volume control that is clearly separate from pulse even if it's using pulse as the audio driver
[01:26] <penguin42> well, surprisingly it's survived the update even given the python errors, and shockingly unity works
[02:58] <alteregoa> i got a problem with my smargo cardreader
[02:58] <alteregoa> i get a error unable to read latency -32
[02:59] <alteregoa> accfnording to this url https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/62073/ i have to patch that, but i don't know how
[03:02] <alteregoa>   29.082179] ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: Unable to read latency timer: -32
[03:09] <Volkodav> man patch
[07:13] <djhash> So i'm testing out 11.4 on VirtualBox.. I wanted to change my password but I couldn't find.. "Users and Groups" under system->Admin.. is this because it being in alpha.. or was it intentionally removed?
[07:39] <rww> djhash: It's part of gnome-system-tools, which got removed deliberately per http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta_1.209/changelog . I don't know the rationale.
[07:42] <rww> djhash: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint -> Looks like the plan is to replace it with GNOME 3's user admin tool.
[07:43] <djhash> thanks
[11:33] <coz_> hey  guys...so far in unity there is no  alt-F2  run dialog...are there plans to change this?
[12:14] <zniavre_> coz_,  hello im reading you are using unity > im installing right now an old radeon supplied laptop do you think unity will work?
[12:15] <penguin42> zniavre_: Does compiz work? and how old a radeon?
[12:15] <coz_> zniavre_,   not sure about the ati card  though   ,,,if it doesn  support that card you will be dropped to classic gnome
[12:15] <zniavre_> penguin42,  compiz is running (slowly) with this 320m igp video card
[12:16] <coz_> zniavre_,   compiz 0.8  or 0.9
[12:16] <zniavre_> haha good question last working compiz was with 10.04
[12:16] <coz_> zniavre_,  unity is using 0.9  so you may get a slight  speed boost
[12:17] <zniavre_> i hav no luck with unity and gnome-shell no one of my computers can make them works im quite sad about it
[12:17] <coz_> zniavre_,  and not much is enabled by default ...expo  for sure  is enabled  and zoom animation  I believe  by default
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,  gnome-shell sucks mainly because of mutter
[12:18] <zniavre_> maybe i can't try it ...   :o(
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,   well  unity doesnt use mutter
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,  compiz replaces that
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,  but it is compiz 0.9.x
[12:18] <zniavre_> unity can't works with nvidia drivers right ?
[12:19] <coz_> zniavre_,  works fine here with nvidia
[12:19] <zniavre_> ha ?
[12:19] <coz_> zniavre_,  the issue is only  before you install the nvidia driver...
[12:20] <coz_> zniavre_,  at first you will be dropped to classic gnome desktop...then install the driver  ,,then it should boot into unity
[12:20] <coz_> zniavre_,  sometimes nothing shows on the desktop prior to nvidia driver install
[12:20] <zniavre_> even if i hav already nvidia drivers installed?
[12:20] <coz_> zniavre_,  well is unity already installed?
[12:20] <zniavre_> no
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_, oh
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_,   then the drivers wont be installed
[12:21] <zniavre_> i fact i wanted to try unity but it looks vbox can't run it
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_, ah
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_,   I dont think it will work virtually
[12:22] <zniavre_> so i installed my alod laptop but what you said few lines ago make me think this card can't handle unity (and compiz now)
[12:22] <zniavre_> alod > old*
[12:22] <zniavre_> but if you said unity can work now with compiz and nvidia driver im thinking about installing 11.04 on my pc
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,    cant hurt to try
[12:23] <zniavre_> :o)
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,   :)
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,  unity on a "single"  monitor is fine
[12:23] <zniavre_> i really want to see and to know if unity make us love gnome-shell or gnome-desktop
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,  on dual monitors  because of global menu ... neraly useless
[12:24] <coz_> zniavre_,  well actually its not gnome-shell
[12:24] <coz_> zniavre_,  its compiz/unity
[12:24] <zniavre_> do you know if app-indicator is done by global-menu team ?
[12:24] <coz_> not sure
[12:25] <zniavre_> i hav the feeling they were a bit "stolen" of their works (even for new firefox globalmenu xpi)
[12:26] <zniavre_> hope stolen is nt too radical but it's the only word i know for this
[12:26] <zniavre_> :o)
[12:27] <zniavre_> so thank you for answering let's see first if the laptop can use unity
[13:11] <CosmiChaos> does ubuntu natty narwhale will have support for transparent hugepage?
[13:24] <coz_> mm running gnome-about-me  gives me  (gnome-about-me:2813): libebook-WARNING **: e-book.c:2245: cannot get book from factory: Invalid source
[13:34] <coz_> mm also noticed that setting an new item in the menu to "Applications in terminal"  it doesnt work
[14:27] <coz_> zniavre_,  did you go ahead with the install?
[15:11] <IdleOne> What is the status with python 2.7?
[15:11] <IdleOne> have the rebuilds finished, settled down?
[15:15] <Volkodav> does not look finished last time I checked
[16:06] <susundberg> Hello. I am having bad performance with KDE file browser -- opening the 'open' and 'save as' dialogs take quite much more time than what it should
[16:06] <susundberg> any idea on problem source?
[16:06] <susundberg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1144718 <- this talks something about 'tracker' but its not installed in natty?
[16:06] <susundberg> (or is the problem solely on kubuntu natty?)
[17:36] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know where the "recover a broken system" option is on natty alpha 1 live cd?
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> so i see that i have to go int "Try Ubuntu"
[18:24] <charlie-tca> pace_t_zulu: the option was removed completely in maverick, I think. You now use the live environment instead
[19:52] <BUGabundo> o/
[19:52] <BUGabundo> o/
[19:52] <BUGabundo> who wants an head hake?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> me, me
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I take on every day ;-)
[19:53] <BUGabundo> no
[19:53] <BUGabundo> you want pain killers
[19:53] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, that's right
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Hard to keep it all straight sometimes ;-)
[19:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
[19:57] <charlie-tca> if it works,
[20:17] <BUGabundo> humm compiz and ubuntu-desktop in circular depencies?? Amaranth
[20:57] <lucas-arg> heey guys, is broadcom wireless cards going to be supported in 11.04 out of the box?
[20:59] <lucas-arg> i heard soemthing about broadcom wireless being added to the kernel or something like that
[21:01] <lucas-arg> knock knock
[21:07] <histo> they have written drivers I don't know if they are open
[21:08] <histo> You could always fire up 11.04 and see but I'm not sure if they are added yet
[21:10] <histo> Drivers are already built in frimware is the issue
[21:12] <histo> lucas-arg: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/09/broadcom-announces-official-open-source-drivers-for-linux.ars
[21:13] <lucas-arg> thanks
[21:13] <lucas-arg> but still is it gonna be in 11.04?
[21:13] <lucas-arg> i read that article
[21:14] <histo> lucas-arg: you'd prolly have to ask the kernel dev team I don't
[21:14] <histo> lucas-arg: it's not mentioned  here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1
[21:14] <lucas-arg> thanks histo
[21:15] <lucas-arg> it would really rock
[21:15] <lucas-arg> and so if nvidia works oob too
[21:15] <histo> lucas-arg: well nvidia works oob just with the free drivers which aren't as good.
[21:16] <lucas-arg> i couldnt use unity when i tried 11.04
[21:18] <yofel> nouveau has no opengl support by default which unity (compiz) needs
[21:18] <yofel> so you need to run classic, install the nvidia driver and then run unity
[21:22] <bjsnider> libg1-mesa-dri-experimental gives nouveau opengl support
[22:17] <Volkodav> I have a partial update that offers to remove compiz and install a bunch of libs - should i go for it or wait until more updates will be available to avoid any troubles
[22:18] <BUGabundo> don't do it
[22:18] <Volkodav> I thoight so too
[22:50] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: compiz doesn't depend on ubuntu-desktop
[22:51] <BUGabundo> don't tell me that
[22:51] <BUGabundo> aptitude says other wise :)
[22:51] <Amaranth> aptitude is lying
[22:51] <BUGabundo> upgrading one is uninstaling the other :(
[23:20] <ldunn> So, I just installed Natty, all seemed good, then I installed fglrx. Now it hangs when I log in. Wireless still connects, but apart from that nothing seems to be happening
[23:21] <coz_> ldunn,    opean a terminal and try    gnome-wm  --replace & disown
[23:22] <ldunn> well, ... hm, I wonder if Alt+F2 still works.
[23:22] <coz_> I dont think so
[23:22] <ldunn> (Virtual terminals don't seem to work once I log in)
[23:22] <ldunn> Oh dear. :|
[23:22] <coz_> ldunn,  you can in stall gmrun in its place
[23:22] <ldunn> hm.
[23:27] <ldunn> Hm, well I just noticed I can start GNOME instead of Unity at the login screen, so that works for now I guess
[23:27] <coz_> yes you can get classic gnome at login
[23:28] <coz_> ldunn,  the  gnome-wm --replace didnt work?
[23:28] <ldunn> coz_: I didn't bother trying, but I doubt it would have worked once I tried to start Unity
[23:28] <ldunn> Well, if i could run it it probably would have. But I can't.
[23:29] <coz_> ldunn,  actually I have to use  that command every time i enable  twinview with nvidia  while unity is running
[23:29] <coz_> ldunn,  it restarts a new instance of nux
[23:29] <ldunn> hrm.
[23:32] <coz_> ldunn,  although I dont think "instance" is the correct terminology for this
[23:33]  * ldunn shrugs
[23:33] <coz_> ldunn,  i do know that it is nux being cranky
[23:37] <coz_> ldunn,   the only part of your issue I am unsure of is the "fglrx"   I know too little about ati in general and even less  about its working capabilities on natty /unity
[23:38] <ldunn> mmm. Meh, GNOME is fine for now
[23:38] <coz_> ldunn,  :)


[17:52] <mwhudson__> oof
[17:57] <thumper> oof?
[17:59] <Rinchen> foo spelled backwards?
[17:59] <Rinchen> well, I show 18:00
[18:00] <Rinchen> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is Rinchen.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <Rinchen> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.
[18:00] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[18:00] <thumper> me
[18:00] <mrevell> me!
[18:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[18:00] <bac> me
[18:00] <Rinchen> me :-)
[18:00] <sinzui> me
[18:00] <danilos> me
[18:00] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[18:00] <BjornT> me
[18:00] <matsubara> me
[18:00] <danilos> Rinchen: you turned the agenda around again? :)
[18:00] <mwhudson> me
[18:01] <Rinchen> danilos, just for you :-)
[18:01] <Rinchen> bac?
[18:01] <Rinchen> bigjools, cprov ?
[18:01] <bac> ^^^
[18:01] <Rinchen> gmb, herb mthaddon ?
[18:01] <mthaddon> me
[18:01] <cprov> me
[18:01] <gmb> me
[18:01] <mars> me
[18:01] <Rinchen> salgado, ?
[18:01] <salgado> me
[18:01] <Rinchen> stub, ?
[18:01] <thumper> abentley: ?
[18:01] <danilos> Rinchen: I've pinged carlos and jtv
[18:01] <schwuk> me
[18:01] <abentley> me
[18:02] <Rinchen> danilos, thanks
[18:02] <BjornT> intellectronica: ?
[18:02] <intellectronica> me
[18:02] <danilos> Rinchen: ah right, jtv mentioned that he'll be travelling
[18:02]  * bigjools is here for 5 minutes
[18:02] <Rinchen> Steve and kiko are in another meeting so I'm going to press on...
[18:02] <stub> me
[18:02] <salgado> mars, did you say me already?
[18:02] <mars> salgado, me?
[18:02] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Agenda
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[18:02] <Rinchen>  * Next meeting
[18:02] <Rinchen>  * Actions from last meeting
[18:02] <Rinchen>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[18:02] <Rinchen>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[18:02] <Rinchen>  * Bug tags
[18:02] <Rinchen>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[18:02] <carlos> me
[18:03] <Rinchen>  * DBA report (stub)
[18:03] <adeuring> me
[18:03] <Rinchen>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[18:03] <Rinchen>  * New packages required (salgado)
[18:03] <Rinchen>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[18:03] <Rinchen>  * Doc Team report (mrevell)
[18:03] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Next meeting
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next meeting
[18:03] <Rinchen> I think we should be able to do next week's meeting.
[18:03] <Rinchen> The Team Leads will be together but that shouldn't stop us :-)
[18:03] <Rinchen> So that would be 6 March, same time, same place
[18:03] <Rinchen> any objections or known absences?
[18:04] <Rinchen> [AGREED] Next meeting 6 March, same time, same place
[18:04] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Next meeting 6 March, same time, same place
[18:04] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Actions from last meeting
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from last meeting
[18:04] <Rinchen> repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate
[18:04] <Rinchen> repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts
[18:05] <Rinchen> repost: mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved.
[18:05] <salgado> Rinchen, not done yet
[18:05] <Rinchen> [ACTION] repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate
[18:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate
[18:05] <danilos> Rinchen: still on it, got some pretty reports now, but not yet discussed with the team
[18:05] <mpt> me
[18:05] <jtv> me too
[18:05] <mpt> (Sorry, had Internet troubles)
[18:05] <Rinchen> [ACTION] repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts
[18:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts
[18:05] <Rinchen> no worries and welcome
[18:05] <mthaddon> Rinchen, on the agenda for the coming week
[18:06] <Rinchen> [ACTION] repost: mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved.
[18:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  repost: mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved.
[18:06] <Rinchen> gmb - investigate Bug 193983
[18:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193983 in malone "Oops deactivating account when the account has a conjoined bugtask assigned to it" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193983
[18:06] <Rinchen> kiko and cprov - discuss bug 193656
[18:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656
[18:06] <Rinchen> the rest are completed
[18:06] <gmb> Rinchen: That bug has now had a fix comitted.
[18:06] <Rinchen> great thanks gmb
[18:06] <cprov> Rinchen: not done, sorry. I hope we will have time to discuss it together in London next week.
[18:07] <Rinchen> cprov, ok, I'm going to raise that again quickly during the critical bugs :-)
[18:07] <Rinchen> [ACTION] repost: kiko and cprov - discuss bug 193656
[18:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  repost: kiko and cprov - discuss bug 193656
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656
[18:07] <cprov> Rinchen: okay, cool
[18:07] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Oops report (Matsubara)
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oops report (Matsubara)
[18:07] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 196253, 196661, 196669, OOPS-788EB21, OOPS-788EC5
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196253
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196661 in launchpad-answers "Email reply triggered a ProgrammingError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196661
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196669 in launchpad "Change mirror owner to someone who doesn't have a preferred email set crashes the +review form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196669
[18:07] <matsubara> bout OOPS-788EB21, carlos is on it already. I'll file a bug and assign to him.
[18:07] <matsubara> ACTION: matsubara to file a place holder bug for OOPS-788EB21 and assign it to carlos w
[18:07] <matsubara> ho is already investigating it.
[18:08] <matsubara> Any volunteers to fix 196253?
[18:08] <matsubara> salgado, 196669 is for you me thinks.
[18:08] <Rinchen> [ACTION] ACTION: matsubara to file a place holder bug for OOPS-788EB21 and assign it to carlos who is already investigating it.
[18:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ACTION: matsubara to file a place holder bug for OOPS-788EB21 and assign it to carlos who is already investigating it.
[18:08] <matsubara> flacoste, can you take a look at the oops in 196661 and check if it was fixed by 191074? If yes, I'll set the status to Invalid.
[18:08] <salgado> matsubara, that sounds like a low priority one to me
[18:09] <matsubara> I need to investigate OOPS-788EC5, it seems related to bug 195809
[18:09] <ubotu> Bug 195809 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/195809 is private
[18:09] <matsubara> ACTION: matsubara to investigate OOPS-788EC5 and confirm if it's related to 195809, if not file a new bug.
[18:09] <Rinchen> [ACTION]  matsubara to investigate OOPS-788EC5 and confirm if it's related to 195809, if not file a new bug.
[18:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:   matsubara to investigate OOPS-788EC5 and confirm if it's related to 195809, if not file a new bug.
[18:09] <matsubara> salgado: please set the status and add a rationale. thanks!
[18:10] <Rinchen> matsubara, flacoste isn't around at the moment. Perhaps an email to him?
[18:10] <salgado> matsubara, as you wish. ;)
[18:10] <matsubara> Rinchen: ok. I'm done then. thanks
[18:11] <salgado> matsubara, btw, you dupper!
[18:11] <Rinchen> [ACTION] matsubara to email flacoste about oops in 196661  and check if it was fixed by 191074
[18:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to email flacoste about oops in 196661  and check if it was fixed by 191074
[18:11]  * salgado always wanted to say that
[18:11] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[18:11] <Rinchen> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/192713
[18:11] <Rinchen> bigjooles, how is this going?
[18:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/192713
[18:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192713 in soyuz "PPA packages fail to upload but build successfully" [Critical,In progress]
[18:11] <Rinchen> er bigjools :-)
[18:11] <Rinchen> I'm thinking about the electricity of the moment there
[18:12] <mrevell> :)
[18:12] <Rinchen> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/193656
[18:12] <Rinchen> cprov, there's been no action on this for a week.
[18:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/193656
[18:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged]
[18:12] <cprov> Rinchen: I will assume it, we need another apt backport , this time in gutsy
[18:12] <matsubara> salgado: is it a dupe?
[18:12] <Rinchen> cprov, expecting the backport this week or next?
[18:12] <salgado> matsubara, it is, with a single p
[18:12] <cprov> Rinchen: yes, I know, that's my fault.
[18:12] <matsubara> salgado: I mean, the distro mirror one?
[18:12] <Rinchen> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/196125
[18:12] <Rinchen> bjornt, how is this going?
[18:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/196125
[18:13] <cprov> Rinchen: ASAP, mvo has it working in his PPA it's just a matter of copying it to gutsy and update lp-dep
[18:13] <BjornT> Rinchen: i think it's considered a non-issue. i'll clarify with stub and update the bug report.
[18:13] <Rinchen> cprov, ok, thank you
[18:13] <Rinchen> BjornT, great! I like not having critical bugs :-)
[18:13] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Bug tags
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug tags
[18:14] <Rinchen> there are no proposed tags
[18:14] <cprov> Rinchen: btw, do we recommend -backports to be enabled in our development environment ?
[18:14] <Rinchen> cprov, I'm not aware of any recommendation either way there
[18:14] <stub> You will need it for PG 8.3, so yes
[18:14] <Rinchen> cprov, however I do use backports
[18:14] <cprov> salgado: do you know ?
[18:15] <cprov> salgado: or is it better to copy it from -backports to our lpdebs archive ?
[18:15] <Rinchen> cprov, salgado - why don't we cover that in salgado's section
[18:15] <salgado> cprov, well, we don't recommend it, but if we need anything from backports then we'll have to force people to do so
[18:16] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[18:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[18:16] <mthaddon> Have migrated to new DB server(s) for production/demo
[18:16] <mthaddon> Staging migration still in progress, expected complete tomorrow
[18:16] <mthaddon> Will be updating documentation to match
[18:16] <mthaddon> Expecting to work on packs updating on devpad this week
[18:16] <mthaddon> That's it from me unless there are any questions
[18:16] <thumper> yay packs
[18:16] <Rinchen> mthaddon, packs tomorrow then?
[18:17] <Rinchen> I also see that herb has the caching for bac due tomorrow. Is that still on schedule?
[18:17] <mthaddon> Rinchen, I don't know if it'll be that quick, but sometime before next week's meeting
[18:18] <Rinchen> I'll ask about that again in the RT section.
[18:18] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] DBA report (stub)
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  DBA report (stub)
[18:18] <stub> New hardware appears to be running happily. Timeouts have dropped, but please don't get lazy :-)
[18:18] <stub> My PostgreSQL 8.3 support branch has landed, so people wanting to can play with Launchpad on PostgreSQL 8.3. DatabaseSetup has been updated.
[18:18] <stub> Migration of Launchpad to PostgreSQL 8.3 goes:
[18:18] <stub> 1) Developers running PostgreSQL 8.3
[18:18] <stub> 2) Staging running PostgreSQL 8.3
[18:18] <stub> 3) PQM running PostgreSQL 8.3
[18:18] <stub> 4) Launchpad production database running PostgreSQL 8.3
[18:18] <stub> There are no fixed or vague timeframes yet. We want to minimize the time taken to complete steps 2-4, whilst giving staging enough time to show up any issues, to avoid PG version specific code to slip through.
[18:18] <stub> This means I don't think we should start step 2 until we have a version of PG 8.3 we are confortable trusting on production. In the past this has been the first or second point release.
[18:18] <stub> That is all.
[18:19] <Rinchen> stub, do we have a rough date for the future point releases?
[18:19] <stub> Not really - it depends on how quicky bugs get fixed, and if there are any high priority ones that need doing sooner rather than later.
[18:20] <stub> I would expect before hardy though, which is a natural point to make the switch over.
[18:20] <Rinchen> hmm. Well, please do keep us informed. Thanks.
[18:20] <stub> (as it avoids the need to get dapper backports)
[18:20] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[18:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[18:20] <Rinchen> mthaddon, herb - RT 29897 - caching for bac
[18:21] <mthaddon> thx, noted
[18:21] <Rinchen> it was needed a week ago or so and currently has tomorrow as a new due date. It's blocking my closure of 1.2.2
[18:21] <Rinchen> Thanks.
[18:21] <Rinchen>  Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent?
[18:22] <Rinchen> I take that as a good sign :-)
[18:22] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] New packages required (salgado)
[18:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  New packages required (salgado)
[18:22] <salgado> if any of the branches you're working on right now  depends on any library which is not part of the launchpad-dependencies package, come talk to me
[18:22] <salgado> stub, shall I make new packages depending po pg8.3?
[18:23] <salgado> for hardy, that is
[18:23] <salgado> that way we may be able to get some people testing. :)
[18:23] <stub> salgado: PG 8.3 is available on gutsy too. It might be premature though to load up everyones boxes - opinions?
[18:23] <cprov> salgado: okay, I'd rather add the new python-apt package in lpdebs repo and require the specific version in the lp-dep package
[18:24] <cprov> salgado: it will be only required while we are using gutsy, hardy's version is good to go.
[18:24] <salgado> cprov, can you give some background on this?
[18:24] <salgado> stub, yeah, I also think it's too early to do that
[18:24] <Rinchen> stub, I would not want to have technology risk our milestone goals for the next few cycles. Avoiding any issues there would help us meet our objectives.
[18:24] <cprov> salgado: yes, python-apt version in gutsy has a memory leak in debExtract() method we use in upload-processor
[18:25] <salgado> cprov, okay, let's talk about this later, then. I don't think this should be discussed in the meeting
[18:25] <cprov> salgado: sure
[18:25] <schwuk> we're having problems with python-apt under hardy in the hardware testing client as well
[18:25] <schwuk> in fact we've stopped using it
[18:26] <Rinchen> [ACTION] cprov and salgado to discus python-apt packaging in lpdebs
[18:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cprov and salgado to discus python-apt packaging in lpdebs
[18:26] <Rinchen> salgado, done?
[18:26] <salgado> yep
[18:26] <Rinchen> thanks
[18:26] <cprov> schwuk: seriously ? let's chat about it later, okay ?
[18:26] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[18:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[18:26] <mrevell> Couple of things have cropped up this week.
[18:27] <mrevell> 1. We've had what appears to be an unusually high number of people who, it seems, don't understand that they are subscribed to the launchpad-users list.
[18:27] <schwuk> cprov: cr3 has been doing the work - he's your best bet
[18:27] <mrevell> The launchpad-users sign up page is quite explicit in telling people that it's not for ShipIt requests etc, thanks to Kiko's big warning. Any suggestions for what else we could do to warn people that they're signing up to a mailing list will be gratefully received :)
[18:27] <mrevell> 2. You've probably noticed the thread on launchpad-users about the use of real names in the Launchpad Beta Testers team. This has stirred some passions amongst a small but vocal number of the beta test team. The real names issue will, I believe, come up next week.
[18:27] <mrevell> that's all from me, unless anyone wants to talk about these
[18:27]  * Rinchen has emailed SteveA and Kiko about the real names item.
[18:27] <mpt> Do ShipIt user tests on people who don't have English as their first language
[18:28] <mpt> That would find the problem fairly quickly, I think :-)
[18:28] <mrevell> mpt: Think we could do this in Prague?
[18:28] <mpt> maybe
[18:28] <mrevell> although UDS people are unlikely to be ShipIt users
[18:28] <mpt> Yes, we might need to pull people off the street
[18:28] <intellectronica> mpt: are you certain that these people are coming to the list from shipit?
[18:28] <LarstiQ> mrevell: got a link to more info on the real names issue?
[18:28] <mpt> intellectronica, not certain, one of them this morning didn't know what "Ubuntu" was
[18:29] <mrevell> intellectronica: Some of them we can say certainly are, as they mention. others just seem a little lost and, as mpt says, one person didn't even know what Ubuntu was
[18:29] <mrevell> LarstiQ: I'll dig it out
[18:29] <mpt> LarstiQ, in this month's archive it's all the "RE: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]" messages
[18:29] <intellectronica> it may be worth following up on a few of the cases. find someone that can talk to them in their language and understand how and why they found themselves on the list
[18:29] <Rinchen> poolie has mentioned that it might be to the beta test item on the front page I added this cycle
[18:30] <mrevell> LarstiQ: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2008-February/003234.html
[18:30] <Rinchen> however I have some doubts about that because if you can read the instructions on how and why to signup, it should be obvious to follow the unsub instructions in the emails
[18:31] <mrevell> Rinchen: There isn't a link to the mailing list in the help page that links to though. Interesting idea, though.
[18:31] <Rinchen> I wonder if a LoCo has encouraged folks to sign-up
[18:31] <mrevell> I'll certainly mail some of the people to see if we can find out what's going on.
[18:31] <intellectronica> Rinchen: exactly. i find it a bit suspicious. could it be that someone is subscribing them and they just click the link in the confirmation email, for example?
[18:31] <Rinchen> mrevell, if you have time, you might email a few of them asking how they got on the list.
[18:31] <mrevell> Rinchen: Yeah, I'd love to know what's going on.
[18:32] <Rinchen> I can't help relating -users recent activity to a social networking list.  "Go signup and get karma"
[18:32] <Rinchen> anyway, thanks mrevell
[18:32] <mrevell> thanks all
[18:32] <Rinchen> and new for this week...
[18:32] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Doc Team report (mrevell)
[18:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Doc Team report (mrevell)
[18:33] <mrevell> Two opportunities to stun you into silence with my whit
[18:33] <mrevell> err. wit
[18:33] <mrevell> Anyway
[18:33] <Rinchen> and charm :-)
[18:33] <mrevell> Hello, welcome to the first doc team report!
[18:33] <mrevell> The Launchpad Documentation Team now has 19 direct members and I'm planning to hold the first team meeting in week 2 of the 1.2.3 cycle. During that, I plan to find out what everyone wants from the team and how we can move forward.
[18:33]  * thumper claps
[18:33]  * mrevell bows
[18:33] <mrevell> Additionally, this week I've been working on the new Launchpad user guide. You can see drafts of the "Your account" section at:
[18:33] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/NewAccount/Draft
[18:33] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Branding/Draft
[18:33] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey/Draft
[18:33] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair/Draft
[18:33] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma/Draft
[18:33] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Merging/Draft
[18:33] <mrevell> I'll be posting a new Teams section for review to the list shortly.
[18:33] <mrevell> As always, I'm very grateful for any feedback. Even from mpt ;-)
[18:34] <Rinchen> ouch
[18:34] <mrevell> Next up on my list are the Projects and Bug Tracker sections of the documentation. I'll also be working on a new draft of the 2008 LP tour and working on an initial summer 2008 marketing plan with Gerry Carr while I'm in London next week.
[18:34] <mrevell> hehe
[18:34] <mrevell> :)
[18:34] <gmb> Damned with faint praise there, mpt.
[18:34] <Rinchen> mpt gets that a lot, you notice?
[18:34] <mrevell> Damn, joke backfired.
[18:34] <mrevell> Ah, I'm safe
[18:34] <mpt_> Another thing that might help with #1 is to remember the Referer: for each person who turns up at the launchpad-users@ subscription page, and goes on to subscribe
[18:34] <mrevell> Right, anyway, so if there are any help or docs issues that you have, please ping or mail me! Or grab me next week.
[18:34] <mpt_> Then if they (even weeks later) post to launchpad-users@ showing that they don't want to be there, we could go back and look to see where they came from
[18:35] <intellectronica> mpt_: we should already have this in our logs
[18:35] <Rinchen> thanks mrevell for the doc report. I'm excited to see how the doc team progresses.
[18:35] <mrevell> mpt_: That would be really cool. barry can we get that info out mailman easily? Or is it at the web server level?
[18:35] <mrevell> Thanks for your ears.
[18:35] <carlos> intellectronica: I don't think is easy to map apache logs with user subscriptions...
[18:36] <flacoste> i suck
[18:36] <gmb> Random...
[18:36] <intellectronica> carlos: no, but we can see how people arrive at the page
[18:36] <flacoste> completely forgot about this meeting
[18:36] <carlos> intellectronica: sure, but that would be a huge list
[18:36] <Rinchen> [IDEA] use referrer on -users to see where the subscriptions are coming from
[18:36] <MootBot> IDEA received:  use referrer on -users to see where the subscriptions are coming from
[18:36] <stub> intellectronica: If that is all you want, then we probably already have it with the apache log reports.
[18:37] <intellectronica> stub: that was exactly what i said :)
[18:37] <stub> awstats or whatever we use atm
[18:37] <mpt_> Possibly it would involve altering the subscription form to contain a hidden input field equal to the Referer
[18:37] <mrevell> Do we have a stats programme running on the mailman web interface?
[18:37] <intellectronica> carlos: i doubt that it would be a long list. there will be a few common sources. webalizer or awstats will even make nice graphics showing which ones
[18:37] <carlos> intellectronica: my point is that you cannot get from where did a user reach the mailing list
[18:38] <carlos> just a list from where all users come
[18:38] <intellectronica> carlos: no, not specific users. to do that we'll have to record the information, you're right
[18:39] <stub> mrevell: Don't know as I can't remember the URL to the stats pages, but it is easy enough for the admins to add if it isn't there already.
[18:39] <mrevell> stub: Cool, I'll ask one of the IS chaps.
[18:39] <Rinchen> mrevell, done?
[18:40] <mrevell> yup, thanks
[18:40] <Rinchen> thanks
[18:40] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Blockers
[18:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blockers
[18:40] <Rinchen> [AGREED] Releases Team: mpt blocked on foundations. Email discussion in progress.
[18:40] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Releases Team: mpt blocked on foundations. Email discussion in progress.
[18:40] <thumper> Code team: not blocked
[18:40] <jtv> Translations: Not blocked.
[18:40] <cprov> Soyuz team: not blocked
[18:41] <flacoste> Foundations: Not blocked
[18:41] <adeuring> hwdb: not blocked
[18:41] <Rinchen> bac?
[18:41] <BjornT> Bugs Team: a bit blocked on getting feedback about requirements from kiko
[18:41] <Rinchen> [AGREED] Bugs Team: a bit blocked on getting feedback about requirements from kiko
[18:41] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Bugs Team: a bit blocked on getting feedback about requirements from kiko
[18:41] <bac> Commercialization team: not blocked
[18:41] <Rinchen> the agreed makes it stand out in the summary
[18:42] <Rinchen> thanks
[18:42] <Rinchen> and thus ends another on-time meeting
[18:42] <mrevell> thanks all!
[18:42] <Rinchen> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[18:42] <Rinchen> #endmeeting
[18:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:42.
[18:42] <carlos> thanks
[18:42] <jtv> Rinchen: thank you
[18:42] <carlos> cheers
[18:42] <intellectronica> thanks, Rinchen for a great meeting
[18:42] <thumper> Rinchen: thanks
[18:42] <schwuk> thank Rinchen
[18:42]  * sinzui notes that one should not use the can spray glue next to the can of air to fix a sticky keyboard.
[18:42] <Rinchen> intellectronica, yeah I only made one goof  :-)
[18:43] <intellectronica> Rinchen: that's not goofing. that's what we call "personal style"
[18:43] <Rinchen> intellectronica, ah I see!
[18:43]  * mwhudson off to make coffee
[18:44]  * gmb off to eat food
[18:44] <danilos> Rinchen: my guess would be that most shipit users are coming from loginservice-email-sent.pt (i.e. after they have created an account, launchpad-users list is mentioned there)
[18:44] <adeuring> </quit leaving
[18:44] <cprov> salgado: let's have a phone call to talk about the python-apt dependency ?
[18:45] <jtv> danilos: we could at least check if those people have accounts...
[18:45] <jtv> if they don't, something really weird is going on.
[18:45] <jtv> like spammers filling out the form hoping it'll send their messages to people.
[18:46] <danilos> jtv: well, they might not be activated yet, because that page specifically advises them to read their email and then activate their accounts
[18:46] <Rinchen> danilos, interesting....
[18:46] <jtv> danilos: but those in-progress accounts would still show up somewhere, right?  It'd give us even more information.
[18:46] <danilos> jtv: yeah, but I don't want to discuss too much details, then somebody will ask me to do it :)
[18:47]  * jtv shuts up
[18:47] <danilos> :)
[18:49] <salgado> cprov, can it be tomorrow?
[18:50] <cprov> salgado: okay, np, I will ping you tomorrow.
[18:51] <salgado> cprov, you might want to subscribe to bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/meta-lp-deps/+bug/193324, btw
[18:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193324 in meta-lp-deps "Require dpkg and lzma dependencies on launchpad-dependencies pacakge" [Undecided,New]
[18:52] <cprov> salgado: right, thanks


[00:43] <tr4ck3ur> hi guys, i have one question, is "the ubuntu-touch stack" based on android ?
[00:45] <tr4ck3ur> as far as i understand, by comparing it with 'pine-phone' like mobian stack ...
[00:48] <tr4ck3ur> the ubuntu-phone is using a part of android stack, as it's not so easy to find git repos..
[00:53] <tr4ck3ur> ok, i'm probably missing some technical details, but i want to know what is the difference between a debian (mobian) on pine-phone and a ubuntu-phone, and why there is such difference in term of user experience
[00:55] <tr4ck3ur> any hint on difference between the two software stack ?


[14:58] <rockstar> me
[14:58] <rockstar> Oops...
[14:59] <henninge> rockstar: you're really eager, aren't you? ;)
[14:59] <Ursinha> lol
[14:59] <rockstar> It's 8 AM here, really tired...
[14:59] <Ursinha> rockstar, have you talked with someone about bug 260171 or bug 252807?
[14:59] <henninge> Ursinha: not meeting yet!
[15:00] <henninge> rockstar: you don't have to answer that!
[15:00] <henninge> ;)
[15:00] <Ursinha> henninge, c'mon, i'm feeding his hallucination
[15:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[15:00] <Ursinha> it seems our bot is gone
[15:00] <matsubara> bot is missing
[15:00] <matsubara> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[15:01] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[15:01] <matsubara> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome!   I wanted to punch him out.
[15:02] <matsubara> we're missing stub, he should be here in a moment. let's move on
[15:02] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Next meeting
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:02] <matsubara>  * QA pending items
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:02] <Ursinha> rockstar, you want to punch him because he's part of the nightmare of waking up early :P
[15:03] <matsubara>  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:03] <Ursinha> *it's
[15:03] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Next meeting
[15:03] <matsubara> so same time next week?
[15:03] <Ursinha> +1
[15:03] <henninge> +1
[15:03] <intellectronica> works for me
[15:03] <rockstar> Ursinha: no, that's matsubara's fault...
[15:04] <rockstar> :)
[15:04] <noodles775> +1
[15:04] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[15:04] <Ursinha> holy crap
[15:04] <matsubara>  * matsubara to talk to ursinha about pending action items
[15:04] <matsubara>     * Ursinha to talk to abentley about the status of bug 252807
[15:04] <matsubara>     * Ursinha to watch for new occurrences of OOPS-1083H1147 the next hours/days (+newaccount timeout)
[15:04] <matsubara>     * Ursinha and rockstar to talk to code people about 260171 and 252807
[15:04] <matsubara>  * matsubara to file a bug about soyuz timeout oops OOPS-1083D1281 (ubuntu/+build timeout) and assign to al-maisan
[15:04] <matsubara>  * herb to send Operations report to the list
[15:04] <Ursinha> all me
[15:04]  * herb failed.
[15:04] <Ursinha> 1) just talked to abentley about bug 252807, he's working on it
[15:04] <herb> but I'm here this week if it's any consolation
[15:04] <Ursinha> 2) didn't talk about the other bugs, rockstar, did you?
[15:04] <rockstar> Yes!
[15:05] <matsubara> I filed bug 315458 for the soyuz timeout one
[15:05] <rockstar> There's no solution to them though, not yet anyway.
[15:05]  * noodles775 looks
[15:05] <matsubara> welcome stub
[15:06] <noodles775> al-maisan hasn't yet added any info... I'll check with him about the above bug when he gets back from lunch...
[15:06] <matsubara> thanks noodles775
[15:07] <matsubara> anything else Ursinha ?
[15:07] <Ursinha> matsubara, not for actions from last meeting
[15:07] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:07] <Ursinha> right
[15:07] <matsubara> Ursinha: stage is yours
[15:07] <Ursinha> so, there are two annoying bugs generating oopses, but they're fixed or the fix is on pqm
[15:07] <Ursinha> so fine
[15:08] <Ursinha> the critical bugs are fix committed, so fine too
[15:08] <Ursinha> I have two oopses I'm investigating, but low occurrences, so will keep doing that in this afternoon
[15:08] <Ursinha> my afternoon, that is
[15:09] <Ursinha> well, nothing else
[15:09] <matsubara> ok. thanks Ursinha
[15:09] <rockstar> Woot!  Hooray for fixing bugs.
[15:09] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * QA pending items
[15:09] <Ursinha> the same, the same
[15:09] <matsubara> what is the same?
[15:09] <Ursinha> matsubara, people need to qa the items :)
[15:10] <Ursinha> rockstar, are you QAing your items?
[15:10] <Ursinha> matsubara, the same is that the items are accumulating
[15:10] <Ursinha> if help needed.... you know, poke us
[15:10] <sinzui> No one like to QA my items :(
[15:10] <rockstar> Ursinha, well, I haven't landed anything this cycle, so no.  I'll beat the rest of the team into submission though.
[15:10] <Ursinha> rockstar, smart boy
[15:11] <Ursinha> sinzui, do you want me to QA your items? :)
[15:11] <Ursinha> if QAble for somebody else..
[15:11] <Ursinha> anyone else needing help?
[15:11] <sinzui> Ursinha: If you have time. My teams does not seem to have time...Some are more than week old
[15:12] <Ursinha> sinzui, sure, I always can find some time to help QA
[15:12] <matsubara> [action] matsubara and Ursinha to QA some of registry team items
[15:13] <sinzui> Ursinha: The last one will require a LOSA to do, I will do it with him today...I think it is a chery pick candidate
[15:13] <Ursinha> sinzui, right
[15:13] <Ursinha> I'll check the items with you after the meeting
[15:13] <Ursinha> alright
[15:13] <Ursinha> rockstar, can you please ask code people to poke me so I can test stuff for them?
[15:13] <Ursinha> pretty please?
[15:14] <Ursinha> okay.. moving on
[15:14] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[15:14] <rockstar> Ursinha: some of their recent stuff will be pretty hard to test, but yeah.
[15:14] <matsubara> thanks Ursinha
[15:14] <matsubara> hard is good. builds character :-)
[15:14] <matsubara> anyway, moving on
[15:15] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:15] <herb> - Yesterday (2009-01-14) Cherry picked r7556 to fix bug 311690 and r7514 & r7562 to fix bugs 299997 & 316576.
[15:15] <herb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-integration/+bug/311690
[15:15] <herb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/299997
[15:15] <herb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/316576
[15:15] <herb> - Over the past week the vast majority of our incidents have been related to bug 156453 and/or bug 118625
[15:15] <herb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/156453
[15:15] <herb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/118625
[15:15] <herb> - Once or twice a week we continue to see problems associated with bug 260171
[15:15] <herb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/260171
[15:15] <herb> - 2009-01-13 - We had a load spike on the slave DB this week, which appeared to be related to some sort of bot abusing launchpad. We reverted half the app servers to connect to only the master DB which balanced to load and cleared up the timeouts we were seeing. We've since moved the app servers back to the slave DB.
[15:15] <herb> whee!
[15:15]  * Ursinha got blind
[15:16] <herb> I like it when ubottu doubles the size of my report.
[15:17] <stub> herb: If load spikes are a regular issue, we could do that sort of load shifting dynamically. I wouldn't want the extra complexity though unless is really is required - a human pushing the button is probably the better option rather than letting the appservers decide.
[15:17] <herb> figured when mootbot disappeared ubottu went with him.  anyway.
[15:17] <herb> stub: for now, I think we prefer the human pushing the button
[15:18] <herb> so that's it from the LOSAs unless there are any other questions/comments.
[15:19] <matsubara> all right. thanks herb
[15:19] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:19] <stub> People are still recovering from the new year break, so all quiet on the db front.
[15:19] <stub> Not much in the way of patches this cycle, assuming no last minute rush waiting for me in tomorrows email. Just file download counts, which should be a no brainer, and a rosetta patch that got bounced last cycle and needs a reply from Mark.
[15:19] <stub> \
[15:19] <matsubara> that was easy :-)
[15:19] <matsubara> thanks stub
[15:20] <matsubara> anything else before I close?
[15:20] <Ursinha> not from me
[15:20] <matsubara> 3
[15:20] <matsubara> 2
[15:20] <matsubara> 1
[15:20] <matsubara> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[15:20]  * stub explodes
[15:20] <rockstar> Thanks matsubara and Ursinha
[15:21] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[15:21] <henninge> stub: when does the window for our patch close?
[15:21] <henninge> stub: Am I likely to see a reply soon?
[15:22] <stub> henninge: Hopefully reply tomorrow.
[15:22] <henninge> stub: cool! Thanks. ;)


[00:01] <tritium> irnodefn: sorry I missed your message
[00:02] <tritium> er, ikonia ^^
[00:03]  * Mez headwalls and goes downstairs for a smoke, hoping that when he comes back his wages will be paid and work haven't decided to be an ass and not pay him anything this month (his last one)
[00:16] <bazhang> guest95295 now wwwwww in #kubuntu
[00:18] <Pici> Pricey: !mintsupport/derivatives doesnt tell eople where to go for support now
[00:19] <Pricey> oh, !derivatives references !mintsupport
[00:19] <Pici> yes
[00:19] <Pricey> !derivatives is also cut off...
[00:20] <Pricey> grrr
[00:20] <Pici> heh
[00:20] <bazhang> haha
[00:20] <Pricey> i didn't use a !
[00:20] <Pricey> a no!
[00:20] <bazhang> !derivatives
[00:20] <Pricey> !mint
[00:20] <Pricey> !-mint
[00:20] <Pricey> i can't spell
[00:20] <Pricey> wait which is which :P
[00:20] <Pricey> !mint
[00:21] <Pricey> !forget derivatives
[00:21] <Pricey> i can't see the difference in spelling, i must be going blind
[00:22] <Pici> What?
[00:22] <Pricey> !mint
[00:22] <Pricey> i'm just being a fool
[00:22] <Pricey> i'll put it back
[00:22] <Pici> !-mintsupport
[00:23] <Pricey> but there's not enough space to put all of that derivatives factoid there, notice the ubuntu ultimate ending
[00:23] <Pici> But that is the ending...
[00:23] <Pricey> i don't think there's space in the factoid to link to every official support channel for ubuntu derivatives and propose leaving it at "consult their websites for more informatinon)
[00:24] <Pici> Fair enough
[00:24] <Pricey> Pici: i believe there used to be a channel after "Ubuntu Ultimate", but in the latest version of it, there was nothing there.
[00:24] <Pricey> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes,  please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in  #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate
[00:24] <Pricey> No suggested place for support for ultimate ^
[00:24] <Pici> Pricey: I dont remember that
[00:24] <Pici> There never was iirc
[00:24] <Pricey> that's what !mint showed earlier, before i killed everything
[00:25] <Pricey> oh i see, meh weird how half have suggested places but that one doesn't
[00:25] <Pici> Either way, 'see their websites' works fine for me
[00:26] <Pricey> I'll just put it back and we'll see what others think
[00:34] <bazhang> crunchbang is another that perhaps should be added to that !mint factoid
[00:35] <bazhang> its actually #!crunchbang
[01:09] <jrib> bazhang: you've become the current topic of discussion in #archlinux-offtopic, congratulations
[01:09] <bazhang> jrib, heh
[01:10] <Flannel> jrib: What are they saying?
[01:10] <bazhang> Flannel, dont ask
[01:10] <Flannel> I waaannaaaa knooowwwww
[01:10] <bazhang> or should that be dont ask dont tell
[01:11] <jrib> bruenig | I don't know this bazhang; he might be a faux op, a white knight if you will   they go on for a while (your comments apply)
[01:11] <Flannel> Awww, I wanna do it
[01:11] <bazhang> jrib, I saw the 3P comment
[01:12] <Pici> weird
[01:12] <bazhang> yep
[01:12] <bazhang> they are strange to say the least
[01:12] <jrib> I'm just banning them now
[01:13] <bazhang> they have a bot that says something unkind (understatement) about ubuntu
[01:13] <jrib> anyone who I see is clearly in trolling from archlinux-* is getting banned without warning from me
[01:13] <jrib> it's too ridiculous now
[01:14] <jrib> mgroman is on this list
[01:14] <bazhang> alienjeff is now talking about it
[01:15] <Flannel> Ah, arch is sending raiding parties.  How... pleasant.
[01:15] <bazhang> have been for a bit now
[01:16] <Flannel> I just got home from work (and am leaving in about 30 minutes as well) so I'll just ... stay out of it.
[01:16] <jrib> I guess I should just turn that forward into a ban
[01:16] <jrib> he doesn't seem to be interested in discussing it
[01:20] <Pici> heavy lag with the floodbots, taking care of it now, hopefully
 want to go raid ubuntu?
[01:27] <bazhang> from arch-ot
[01:29] <Tm_T> bazhang: need help with it?
[01:30] <bazhang> Tm_T, with arch-offtopic? I dont have privileges there
[01:30] <Tm_T> no I mean with our channels
[01:30] <bazhang> dont even have arch installed
[01:31] <Tm_T> bazhang: btw if that kind of behaviour keeps on going there, I think st aff should look at it
[01:31] <bazhang> Tm_T, no, just giving an example of what goes on, the planning to troll #ubuntu channels that happens there
[01:31] <bazhang> Tm_T, its been going on for some months now, st- a- ff are aware
[01:31] <Tm_T> good
[01:31] <Tm_T> bazhang: roger, so I can try to get some sleep if lucky then (:
[01:32] <bazhang> Tm_T, yes that is always a good idea :)
[01:32] <Tm_T> yeah, baby isn't sleeping though so not lucky
[01:33] <bazhang> ooh right, then you will never sleep
[01:33] <bazhang> or for the next some months I estimate
[01:33] <Tm_T> bazhang: false, I usually sleep like a baby, actually I already slept ~7 hours
[01:34] <bazhang> Tm_T, nice :)
[01:34] <Tm_T> indeed
[02:25] <stdin> bots are not behaving
[02:25] <bazhang> fb2 is missing I guess
[02:28] <stdin> bazhang: there is 1 and 3, so that's not it
[02:28] <bazhang> stdin, okay
 WARNING: spurious PING reply from FloodBot3, probably heavy lag
 WARNING: spurious PING reply from FloodBot1, probably heavy lag
[02:29] <stdin> well, that's probably a reason
[02:46] <nickrud> bazhang, you're famous! Can I get your autograph?
[03:06] <bazhang> nickrud, hehe
[05:19]  * genii sips
[05:20] <Flannel> just don't slip!
[05:22] <genii> Scalding coffee in the lap is not my idea of a good time ...
[05:24] <genii> Hm. !port is very generic. It could refer to many things. Porting of an app, portmapping in software, portmapping in hardware (which it currently seems to point to)
[05:25] <genii> Also could be general, referring to a list of what standard ports are for what, etc
[05:27] <Flannel> !port
[05:28] <Flannel> porting an app wouldn't be for #ubuntu (and its likely not really factoid-able anyway)
[05:28] <Flannel> I believe the current one is how to set up your router to do so.
[05:28] <Flannel> I don't think anyone would need a factoid for port listings.  That doesn't seem like a big use-case
[05:35] <genii> Flannel: My thinking is an Ubuntu-based software port forward howto would be more apt than one for hardware routers. But maybe that's just me :)
[05:37] <Flannel> genii: Such as what?  Lots of people running server stuffs for the first time need to know how to forward to their box
[05:38] <Flannel> You mean like how to do it in iptables/etc?
[05:38] <genii> Yes, or portmap etc
[05:39] <Flannel> I've certainly got no statistics, but I imagine fewer people do that, and also, those who do already are savvy enough to not need a factoid, or at least, the help they'll need won't really be factoid-able.  But, like I said, I'm no expert
[05:46] <genii> Bah wrong channel
[05:47] <Flannel> hah
[05:47] <genii> Flannel: I blame it on caffeine deficiency
[05:47] <Flannel> too much blood in your caffeine system?
[05:47] <genii> Hehe, yes
[06:21] <Flannel> Hi szrhawaii, how can we help you?
[08:40] <Myrtti> good morning
[08:40] <hischild> stdin, may i have your attention for a second?
[08:40] <Myrtti> hischild: how may we help you today?
[08:41] <stdin> hischild: you have it
[08:41] <hischild> Myrtti, i didn't know how to write stdin his name correctly and from #ubuntu's channel listening i couldn't find it. Knowing he was a channel op i knew i could find him here. It's concerning the admin like panel for the factoids.
[08:42] <hischild> stdin, i have most of the backend ready so far, but i'm not sure if the database connection i'm currently using will be right. I was hoping you could give me the table format that is used for it, so it could be used without to much a hassle.
[08:43] <stdin> hischild: it's in the Encyclopedia/README file
[08:43] <hischild> stdin, would you be kind to give me a link? i've searched around, but i couldn't find it.
[08:43] <stdin> you can download the current database file from http://ubottu.com/ubuntu.db
[08:43] <stdin> !botclone
[08:43] <stdin> just use the bazaar code view from LP
[08:44] <hischild> awesome. That's even better then what i hoped.
[08:44] <stdin> direct link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak/annotate/head%3A/Encyclopedia/README.txt
[08:45] <hischild> thanks. I'll make the adjustments needed for it, and i'll give you a shout back.
[08:45] <stdin> thanks :)
[08:45] <hischild> the thanks are for you this time ;-)
[08:58] <Myrtti> morning, take two
[08:58] <Myrtti> GOOD MORNING
[08:58] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[09:39] <Tm_T> guten dagen
[09:40] <Tm_T> guten tag 5ch samma p5 svenska
[11:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[11:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[14:14] <Pici> Myrtti: argh indeed
[14:56] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[14:56] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[15:50]  * genii sips
[16:31] <genii> ikonia: I think shizuo may be some bot
[16:32] <ikonia> well, I'm going to speak to him now, why come into a channel and threaten to be bad
[16:32] <ikonia> just trying to find the korean channel for ryu first
[16:34] <ikonia> genii: is 16:01 <+genii> ikonia: I think shizuo may be some bot
[16:34] <ikonia> oops
[16:35] <ikonia> genii: is shizuo known ?
[16:35] <ikonia> he's claiming he was just being polite that he "may be an issue"
[16:37] <genii> ikonia: Just the style of writing and response to others strikes me as eliza-bot like
[16:37] <ikonia> wasn't a bot,
[16:38] <ikonia> but looks like he was trying to troll - ignored all pm's to find out what he meant when he said "I may become an issue" and "the urge maybe too strong"
[16:38] <ikonia> but all of a sudden new how to pm and protest when he was muted
[16:38] <ikonia> new how to leave a part message protesting his innocence
[16:39] <genii> It must be a full moon or something
[16:39] <ikonia> could well be just innocent,
[17:00] <Myrtti> screw economic slump.
[17:00] <Myrtti> I got a payrise.
[17:00] <Myrtti> WOO
[17:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: and I apparently am getting ~10 job places for LTSP admins
[17:01] <Myrtti> Tm_T: oh which reminds me
[17:01] <Myrtti> I checked from HR and our email has been received
[17:04] <Pici> Myrtti: congrats, I did too :)
[17:06]  * genii examines his pocket lint and slumps in economic despair
[17:07] <Tm_T> Myrtti: great (:)
[17:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti Congrats from the wife and Me...
[17:12] <Myrtti> finally my pay begins with a number it should
 hacksilo.co.to <- hack this site please..               muted so he would be less likely to notice
[17:16] <Tm_T> Myrtti: 1 ?
[17:18] <Myrtti> Tm_T: :->
[17:18] <Tm_T> Myrtti: anyway, apparently over half of cities/counts (?) here are moving to LTSP in schools
[17:19] <Tm_T> so, awwww <3
[19:42] <Seeker`> lo
[20:00] <mneptok> heya Seeker`
[20:13] <Seeker`> how be?
[20:13] <mneptok> obtuse and belligerent!
[20:13] <Seeker`> hmm
[20:14] <nikrud> lay a line on us mneptok I need a lift :)
[20:14] <mneptok> http://code.google.com/p/blackgold/issues/detail?id=3
[20:15] <mneptok> howzzat?
[20:15] <nikrud> very very nice, thank you very much
[20:25] <Pici> oye, lagged
[23:05]  * genii sips
[23:07] <Seeker`> lo
[23:07] <genii> Seeker`: Hiya
[23:07] <Seeker`> how be
[23:08] <genii> Seeker`: Dazed and Confused ;)
[23:08] <Seeker`> oh?
[23:10] <jpds> LED!


[05:06] <nealmcb> irssi is amazing - I have it running on a tired old laptop that I hardly ever use, and finally checked in this evening (from my nice fast new lemur) to see what I've missed over the weeks/months.  It is still plugging along nicely.  Glad to see activity every few days here....
[05:06] <nealmcb> and time for the Ubuntu Global Jam!!
[14:11] <FunnyLookinHat> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/01/1212219/Debaian-OpenSUSE-Arch-Gentoo-and-Grml-Merge?from=twitter
[21:49] <nealmcb> irssi is amazing - I have it running on a tired old laptop that I hardly ever use, and finally checked in this evening (from my nice fast new lemur) to see what I've missed over the weeks/months.  It is still plugging along nicely.  Glad to see activity every few days here....
[21:49] <nealmcb> and time for the Ubuntu Global Jam!!
[21:49] <nealmcb> (reposted now that FunnyLookinHat is back online :)
[21:49] <FunnyLookinHat> Eh ?
[21:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh wow I dropped... again...  lame :)
[21:50]  * nealmcb hasn't dropped since mid-jan.....
[21:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Lemur - nice!
[21:50] <FunnyLookinHat> I got a thinkpad recently, and it's flying along with 10.10
[21:50] <nealmcb> or at least I came back up automatically.....
[21:50] <nealmcb> nice
[21:50] <FunnyLookinHat> I'd install 11.04 but I'm waiting for the RC as I use this for work, etc.
[21:51] <nealmcb> 8 GB also - finally enough memory....
[21:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh wow
[21:52] <nealmcb> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/04/taking-chrome-to-lite-speeds.html
[21:52] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[22:33] <ToyKeeper> Oops, looks like natty escaped a bit early: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/google-earth-renders-cheeky-narwhal-outside-canonicals-office/
[22:34] <ToyKeeper> FunnyLookinHat: I got a thinkpad about 3 weeks ago...  X201 w/ 12" 1280x800 screen, 3lbs, 2.66GHz  i5 M480 dual-core CPU, 8GiB RAM, cheapo hard drive.
[22:35] <ToyKeeper> I'm curious what your wireless chipset is, and how well it works in Linux.  The rtl8191SEvB they included by default was horrible and I had to replace it.  It only worked for about 15 minutes per boot, and would hard-lock the system if I tried to recover it without rebooting.
[22:36] <ToyKeeper> I ended up having flash a modified BIOS so I could boot with a different wifi card, because thinkpads still have that stupid hardware lock-in whitelist.
[22:41] <FunnyLookinHat> Wow - that's slick
[22:41] <FunnyLookinHat> My wireless works great - it's the Intel Centrino wireless though - and that traditionally has worked flawlessly with Ubuntu
[22:42] <FunnyLookinHat> I have a T410 w/ the nVidia Optimus Graphics setup - which is a total pain because it's completely unsupported at this point, forcing me to choose to run in either Intel or nVidia mode via BIOS
[22:42] <ToyKeeper> Ah, okay.  I should have just paid the extra $20 for an intel card, but it *looked* like the default one was supported so I didn't bother.
[22:42] <FunnyLookinHat> And switching it kills X and all that jazz.
[22:43] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah yea - I literally always go Intel for wireless because it's worth the time saved, etc.
[22:43] <ToyKeeper> It has a driver, and it sort of works...  but it isn't expected to work reliably until at least 2.6.39, which won't be in 11.04.
[22:43] <FunnyLookinHat> ToyKeeper, You mean Optimus ?
[22:43] <FunnyLookinHat> Or your wireless?
[22:43] <ToyKeeper> The wireless.
[22:43] <FunnyLookinHat> ah
[22:43] <FunnyLookinHat> You got my hopes up. :)
[22:44] <ToyKeeper> I almost got a T410, but it would have cost more for the same specs for some reason, and although a 1440x900 screen would be nice, I decided it wasn't worth the extra 2" of bulk.
[22:45] <ToyKeeper> I wanted a minimum of 8GiB RAM, since I eat memory like crazy by leaving everything open all the time.
[22:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[22:45] <FunnyLookinHat> I code on this machine - and since I can't always have my 23" monitor in front of me it was worth it.
[22:45] <FunnyLookinHat> the 1440x900 is definitely VERY nice.  Makes the screen size worth it for sure (unlike most other 14" notebooks out there)
[22:46] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm only at 4 GB RAM right now...  I'm considering going up to 8... but so far 4 works...
[22:46] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm not even on x64 yet - so it'd be a waste w/ the graphics memory anyways.
[22:46] <ToyKeeper> I code on this one too, but I like my notebooks small.
[22:46] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[22:46] <FunnyLookinHat> What sort of battery life do you get with that ?
[22:46] <FunnyLookinHat> (on Ubuntu)
[22:47] <ToyKeeper> I dunno.  I hardly ever use the battery.  However, this one is supposedly a 6-hour battery.
[22:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I sprung for the 9-Cell and can get about 4-5 hours with my normal routine (browser, eclipse, etc.)
[22:48] <FunnyLookinHat> You gonna be at the release party ?
[22:48] <ToyKeeper> I'm not sure...  this is the first I heard of it.
[22:50] <ToyKeeper> Hmm, Sunday May 2, 2010 at Bar Louie in Westminster, CO @ 5:30pm.
[22:50] <ToyKeeper> Most likely, yes.
[22:50] <ToyKeeper> ... and then UDS about a week later.
[22:52] <ToyKeeper> Any idea what the non-meaty food is like at Bar Louie?
[22:53] <ToyKeeper> Oh, wait.  Wrong year.
[22:53] <ToyKeeper> When/where is this year's party?
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Hah
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Sunday May 1st at Hanson's Pub
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> in Wash Park on Old Pearl St.
[22:55] <FunnyLookinHat> err - Pearl St.
[22:56] <FunnyLookinHat> You're going to UDS?  I didn't know you were involved in Ubuntu dev.
[22:57] <ToyKeeper> I wasn't really, until about a month ago.
[22:58] <FunnyLookinHat> hah!
[22:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Nice :)
[23:07] <ToyKeeper> Hmm, looks like someone finally set my cloak.  It works a little weird though; gotta leave and re-join channels to make it take effect.
[23:07] <ToyKeeper> There, that's better.


[12:49] <nigelb_> .
[12:51] <cjohnston> ,
[12:51] <nigelb> hehe. I was just checking if my nick was correct :)
[13:15] <cjohnston> daker: mhall119 https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-team-portal/team-name-details-page/+merge/86227
[21:51] <cjohnston> mhall119: ping
[22:07] <mhall119> cjohnston: pong
[22:08] <cjohnston> mhall119: can you help me with a little ltp trying to optimize a little new code?
[22:08] <mhall119> sure
[22:08] <mhall119> does the code currently work?
[22:09] <cjohnston> mhall119: not all of it.. nigel wanted to just do it optimized from the start.. trying to figure out if it should be a for or an if or a ......
[22:10] <mhall119> "first make it work, then make it right, then make it fast" as the saying goes
[22:10] <cjohnston> and then make: http://paste.ubuntu.com/775760/ work
[22:11] <mhall119> is that an Admin?
[22:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: forms.py
[22:11] <cjohnston> Exception Value: Tried team_list in module teams.views. Error was: type object 'Team' has no attribute 'locale_team'
[22:11] <mhall119> I don't think it'll work that way, since Team.locale_team is always going to be the model's default, not the instance's value
[22:11] <cjohnston> but there is a locale_team in the Team model
[22:12] <mhall119> show me the model code
[22:12] <cjohnston>     locale_team = models.BooleanField(_("Locale Team"), default=False)
[22:13] <mhall119> right, so the Team class doesn't have a locale_team field, only instances of Team get that
[22:13] <mhall119> it's part of Django's magic, any class attribute that is a models.*Field gets pulled out and put somewhere else until an instance is created
[22:14] <cjohnston> ok.. so what i can i do to overcome this in forms
[22:14] <mhall119> you'll need to override the __init__ method to do that
[22:14] <mhall119> I'm not sure on the specifics of adding or removing fields though
[22:14] <mhall119> but that's where it would be done
[22:15] <cjohnston> no idea how to do that of course
[22:15] <mhall119> you couldn't just set Meta.exclude at that point, you'll have to manipulate the self.fields array
[22:15] <cjohnston> is there a better way to do this?
[22:16] <mhall119> make two separate Form classes, one for local teams and one for locale teams, and in your view check the .locale_team on the instance, and create one or the other
[22:17] <mhall119> I think we already do something similar for giving LC members a different form than team admins
[22:17] <cjohnston> yes
[22:17] <mhall119> so, same basic idea
[22:18] <mhall119> make an UpdateLocaleTeam form class
[22:18] <cjohnston> yup
[22:19] <mhall119> then in the team_edit view, add an extra check for if team_object.locale_team
[22:23] <cjohnston> technically i would need to make a locale team LC view?
[22:24] <mhall119> you could, but LC sees everything right?  would it hurt anything to let them see fields for a locale team that won't be used?
[22:24] <cjohnston> not really.. as long as they understand that they arent being used so not to expect results by filling stuff in
[22:25] <mhall119> that should be fine, I would think
[22:27] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/775779/
[22:28] <mhall119> cjohnston: you have an indentation problem on line 15 of that
[22:28] <cjohnston> fixed
[22:29] <mhall119> also, I'd recommend putting the if team_object.locale_team in the "else" part of the is_on_lc check, it'll be a smaller diff and less duplicate code
[22:29] <mhall119> if is_on_lc:
[22:29] <mhall119>   do the lc for
[22:29] <mhall119> else:
[22:29] <mhall119>   if locale_team:
[22:29] <mhall119>     do the locale form
[22:30] <mhall119>   else:
[22:30] <mhall119>     do the local form
[22:30] <mhall119> make sense?
[22:36] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/775794/
[22:39] <mhall119> yup, that looks good
[22:39] <mhall119> a test case to make sure it's using the correct form would be good too
[22:40] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/775797/
[22:41] <mhall119> should work, yeah
[22:41] <cjohnston> it doesnt
[22:43] <mhall119> oh, that's because 'teams' isn't a template variable
[22:43] <mhall119> look at the team_list view function
[22:44] <mhall119> add:
[22:44] <mhall119> locale_teams = Team.objects.filter(locale_team=True)
[22:44] <mhall119> then add that variable to your context dictionary
[22:45] <mhall119> then {% for team in locale_teams %}
[22:46] <cjohnston> yay
[22:47] <cjohnston> for team_detail.html
[22:48] <cjohnston> I need to wrap everything that I want in a language team under an if locale_team correct?
[22:51] <cjohnston> hrm.. for some reason i lost the ability to add a team as a locale team
[22:54] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-team-portal/locale-teams/+merge/86300
[23:01] <cjohnston> mhall119: could you please give the code a test?
[23:03] <mhall119> line 183, {% if team.locale_team %} won't work
[23:03] <mhall119> wait, I thought you  fixed that
[23:04]  * mhall119 waits for LP to update the diff
[23:04] <cjohnston> this is taking forever
[23:04] <cjohnston> i oushed it before i pasted the link
[23:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: diff updated


[02:15] <HowdyDoody> I also tried both this way:  '\username'  & 'password'  and still no luck.
[02:18] <HowdyDoody> ChinnoDog: I am in a windows machine trying to cnx to an ubuntu box and I get prompted for user/password.  ARe slashes used to connect to ubuntu shares ?   It's samba stuff that is shared that it sees. Does samba use a diff username/password combo by chance ?  Hmmm, maybe I left a note to myself in samba if so.....
[11:08] <rmg51> Morning
[16:39] <ChinnoDog> HowdyDoody: What is the domain name that SAMBA is using? Don't assume it will select the correct domain name for you. That works sometimes but more often than not does not work.
[16:40] <ChinnoDog> Windows wants to connect you to resources using your current credentials when possible. SAMBA is probably using your host name or other string you configured as the domain name.


[09:24] <zaki> pavlushka, https://knome.org
[09:24] <pavlushka> zaki: ha ha ha
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[09:25] <zaki> :P
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[09:26] <zaki> may be this is for people like me :P
[09:26] <zaki> :D
[09:26] <pavlushka> zaki: i use my customized mate on top of every system and i am happy with it
[09:26] <zaki> who like KDE but use gnome
[09:26] <pavlushka> zaki: you?
[09:27] <zaki> pavlushka, that is there slogan :P
[09:27] <zaki> The next operating system for your computer
[09:27] <zaki> I use Default
[09:27] <pavlushka> zaki: that's just the DE. not the whole OS
[09:28] <pavlushka> zaki: hey you can use dark theme on chatterbox, check that in the account settings -> themes
[09:30] <zaki> pavlushka, https://knome.org
[09:30] <zaki> and check the download button :P
[09:30] <pavlushka> zaki: it is the April fool, didn't get it?
[09:30] <zaki> at the bottom
[09:31] <zaki> lol
[09:31] <pavlushka> zaki: I didn't need to check the download option to find that out
[09:32] <zaki> :D
[09:32] <pavlushka> zaki: that smells like that all over the website
[12:40] <groudon_> bengali is not displayed correctly in xchat
[12:40] <groudon_> I don't know how to change fonts
[12:40] <groudon_> in terminal same problem
[12:41] <groudon_> in firefox everything is okay
[12:42] <groudon_> anyone can help me?
[12:46] <zaki> please use hexchat
[12:46] <zaki> groudon_,
[12:47] <zaki> or konversation on from KDE
[12:48] <groudon_> zaki, irssi?
[12:48] <groudon_> zaki, how about irssi?
[12:49] <zaki> আমি জানি না।