[09:56] <knome> hey elfy
[10:04] <elfy> hi knome
[10:06] <knome> elfy, want to review a few more doc pages? :]
[10:06] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:06] <elfy> knome: I can - which ones
[10:06] <knome> elfy, let me see
[10:07] <knome> these are not submitted by you, so these are the only ones you can still review:
[10:07] <knome> 5/Photos and Cameras
[10:07] <knome> 6/Network connections
[10:07] <knome> 6/Troubleshooting
[10:07] <knome> 7/Printing
[10:07] <knome> 7/Scanning
[10:08] <knome> and that's it
[10:08] <elfy> ok
[10:08] <knome> thanks
[10:08] <knome> i'll try to get more converted to docbook today again
[10:09] <smartboyhw> Identify yourselves guys chanserv is back
[10:09]  * knome is still identified
[10:09]  * elfy is too
[10:10] <smartboyhw> Well sure I didn't since I just joined and I can't identify when it is down mate
[10:10]  * Unit193 is as always
[10:10] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:13] <knome> i suppose i should just start working with the docs...
[10:14] <elfy> knome - just checking for englisg/grammar etc - I can't check scanning or prinitng for it working
[10:15] <knome> elfy, yeah, that's fine, and if you can check that the app paths are correct as much as you can...
[10:15] <knome> (and menus)
[10:15] <elfy> yep :)
[10:15] <elfy> ok - back in a bit then :p
[10:15] <knome> thanks!
[10:15]  * knome goes converting another subsection to docbook
[10:20] <elfy> knome: you want to know in here which I have checked or on the pad? if the pad - what's the link again :p
[10:20] <knome> here is fine at this stahge :
[10:20] <knome> stage and :P too
[10:21] <elfy> scanning is done
[10:21] <smartboyhw> elfy: You mean http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout ?
[10:45] <elfy> knome: printing done, troubleshooting done - but if network connections is "network connections" then troubleshooting should be "network troubleshooting" logically
[10:46] <knome> ok, thanks
[10:46] <knome> i'll fix that for the docs
[10:46] <elfy> k
[10:53] <elfy> knome: network connections done
[10:54] <knome> ta
[11:02] <elfy> knome: I've removed the image viewer bits that jackFromm temp struck out and that is all checked now too
[11:06] <knome> in what? :)
[11:06] <knome> photos/cams?
[11:07] <elfy> yea sorry - thought it would make sense as it was last one you asked me to check :)
[11:07] <knome> hehe, yeah
[11:07] <knome> ta
[11:08] <elfy> should be just quick guide and upgrading left in Table of Contents not bold I think
[11:08] <knome> yep
[11:08] <knome> and not much that isn't underlined ;)
[11:09] <elfy> underlined is ? converting to docbooks?
[11:09] <knome> underlined is converted
[11:09] <knome> isap
[11:09] <knome> heh
[11:09] <elfy> cool
[11:09] <knome> there goes my test-vbox pass :P
[11:10] <elfy> lol
[11:19] <elfy> so anything you want me to look at today knome ?
[11:19] <knome> umm.. not really after you done those reviews, unless you want to go adventurous and build the docs :D
[11:20] <elfy> ...
[11:20] <elfy> not sure :p
[11:21] <knome> yeah, you really don't need to
[11:21] <elfy> ok lol
[11:21] <elfy> I'll go hae lunch instead then :)
[11:22] <knome> ok, bon appetit :)
[11:44] <knome> hey jjfrv8 :)
[11:44] <jjfrv8> G'day.
[11:45] <jjfrv8> knome, Looks like you're almost there :)
[11:46] <knome> yeah, almost
[11:52] <knome> hey bluesabre :)
[11:52] <bluesabre> hiya knome!
[11:53] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[11:53] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[11:53] <bluesabre> how is everyone today?
[11:53] <knome> good
[11:53] <elfy> ok now thanks
[11:53] <knome> working on the docbook conversions again
[11:55] <bluesabre> making good progress?
[11:55] <knome> quite
[11:55] <knome> check the wiki
[11:56] <elfy> knome: you not want upgrading and quick guide checked - or have they been done already
[11:56] <knome> elfy, you've submitted them for review, so you can't review them ;)
[11:56] <knome> bluesabre could...
[11:56] <bluesabre> wowza
[11:56] <Unit193> I took a look at upgrading one.
[11:56] <elfy> aah - /me forgets stuff fairly quickly
[11:56] <Unit193> +the
[11:56] <bluesabre> looks like we're almost there
[11:56] <knome> bluesabre, exactly
[11:57] <knome> Unit193, do you think it's ready to be published, or do you want somebody to still review it?
[11:57] <bluesabre> I can have a look at quick guide
[11:57] <knome> bluesabre, we should move the stuff in quick guide around
[11:57] <knome> see how the internet -section is organized
[11:57] <knome> i mean, inside the guide
[11:58] <Unit193> knome: I think it was pretty much set, just made a couple changes.
[11:58] <knome> Unit193, ok, i'll mark it as checked-out hten
[11:58] <knome> then
[11:58] <Unit193> Wouldn't hurt I'm sure, having another look. :P
[11:59] <knome> well, all the pages are not going to be perfect anyway
[11:59] <knome> so we'll probably get bugs, and we can fix them for Q or R
[12:02] <elfy> that'll be a whole lot easier
[12:02] <knome> definitely
[12:03] <bluesabre> knome, as far as moving things around, what are you shooting for with the other sections in the quick guide?
[12:03] <knome> i mean, the first word should be the application bolded
[12:04] <knome> and the link should be at the end
[12:04] <knome> feel free to disagree :)
[12:04] <bluesabre> ok, I thought that was what you meant.  Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything
[12:04] <knome> heh, sure
[12:05] <Unit193> elfy: If you wanted to look at the diff, and see if I changed something in error? :P
[12:05] <elfy> there are 2 links in that page that go to empty pages - media applications adnd libreoffice
[12:06] <elfy> Unit193: if it's needed
[12:06] <knome> elfy, yeah, you can dismiss that
[12:06] <elfy> dismiss or remove ?
[12:06] <knome> LO is because the wiki markup (CamelCase creates links)
[12:06] <knome> and media apps is fixed in docs
[12:06] <knome> so just dismiss, it will be okay
[12:07] <elfy> I thought bluesabre was looking anyway - so I was just saying :)
[12:07] <knome> np
[12:07] <knome> good to make sure
[12:08] <elfy> :)
[12:08] <bluesabre> so that means you're not currently editing, right elfy?
[12:08] <elfy> yep
[12:08] <bluesabre> Cool, thanks
[12:08] <elfy> not editing anything at all
[12:12] <knome> so update manager is "software updater" in Q?
[12:12] <knome> i need to fix that
[12:22] <knome> done
[12:23] <knome> ok, all but 4 subsections converted
[12:26]  * bluesabre wonders if we really need to link to the core xfce/gnome apps websites
[12:26] <knome> maybe not
[12:30] <bluesabre> Done.  http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Quick guide to default applications
[12:30] <bluesabre> But yeah, who is honestly going to click the link for
[12:31] <bluesabre> PulseAudio, Dictionary, Evince, Orage, Gigolo, Task Manager
[12:31] <bluesabre> PulseAudio, maybe
[12:31] <knome> bluesabre, feel free to drop links you don't think are necessary
[12:32] <knome> and i don't even know if we should specifically list task manager :P
[12:32] <knome> (unless we tell what it does, for starters)
[12:32] <elfy> does not the name give it away
[12:33] <knome> kind of
[12:33] <knome> but doesn't every OS have one?
[12:33] <elfy> I'd have to assume so
[12:35] <bluesabre> I'd imagine that if a user doesn't know what it is, it's probably better for them to not know about the Task Manager
[12:36]  * smartboyhw will click Orage and PulseAudio if I'm a beginner...
[12:36] <bluesabre> Yeah, I opted to not remove links
[12:46] <bluesabre> knome, elfy, others?  Wanna review the changes?
[12:46]  * elfy can look
[12:48] <elfy> looks ok to me
[12:48] <knome> looks fine to me
[12:49] <elfy> though I wonder at the inclusion of Ibus - it's not to my knowledge mentioned anywhere else
[12:52] <knome> so isn't task manager ;]
[12:52] <elfy> :)
[12:52] <bluesabre> yeah, not sure about that one, but people might be curious as to what it is (now that I read that section, I finally know what its for)
[12:54] <elfy> and actually don't you have to install pavu?
[12:55] <elfy> now I come to think about it
[12:57] <bluesabre> I have no idea
[12:58] <elfy> not in xubuntu-desktop so I assume not
[12:59] <elfy> but anyway - as it stands - it looks ok :)
[13:32] <knome> take that, docbook
[13:33] <knome> only one section left to convert
[13:33] <bluesabre> booyah
[13:34]  * smartboyhw adds oil on knome
[13:34] <smartboyhw> add oil = give support:)
[16:24] <olbi> hello
[16:24] <olbi> who is responsible for translating slides during installation of Xubuntu 12.10? :)
[16:54] <knome> olbi, the community
[17:01] <SkippersBoss> knome, i send something through the e-mail list
[17:02] <SkippersBoss> I was told i was blocked. Did you see it ??
[17:02] <knome> SkippersBoss, i believe it's simply in the queue
[17:02] <knome> SkippersBoss, have you subscribed to the list?
[17:03] <SkippersBoss> thought i did
[17:04] <SkippersBoss> its was my reactions towards the wish to scrap all outside references in the quick guide
[17:04] <SkippersBoss> :-)
[17:04] <SkippersBoss> sorry smiley went ino wrong window
[17:05] <knome> oh well
[17:05] <knome> it's converted to docbook now :)
[17:06] <SkippersBoss> never mind then
[17:06] <SkippersBoss> Your the boss
[17:06] <SkippersBoss> I follow your lead here
[17:06] <knome> i think it's good to point to external stuff, especially if they offer more user support than our docs
[17:07] <SkippersBoss> That was my rationelle. Don't do double work
[17:08] <pleia2> knome: yay!
[17:08] <SkippersBoss> a ms ghana
[17:08] <SkippersBoss> when are you leaving
[17:09] <pleia2> october 10th
[17:09] <olbi> when will be updated Daily Builds LiveCD whith newest transaltions?
[17:11] <knome> pleia2, :)
[17:12] <knome> pleia2, now can you ask rocket2dmn to help us get the rest of the stuff done..
[17:12] <micahg> olbi: only if there are new upstream versions
[17:12] <pleia2> knome: if you put in a MP and send a mail to the -doc list, I can follow up on the thread I was talking to him on
[17:13] <knome> MP?
[17:13] <knome> oh, merge proposal
[17:13] <pleia2> yeah
[17:13] <knome> before doing that, i'd actually want somebody to look at our branch
[17:13] <pleia2> ok
[17:15] <pleia2> actually, I think you really should just put in the MP
[17:15] <knome> lol
[17:15] <knome> i'll look at that when i'm on my desktop
[17:15] <pleia2> it should auto-ping the people who may want to look at it, so they can just sit down, review, approve
[17:16] <pleia2> instead of sit down, review, email you back to do the MP, forget where they left off, review 2 days later...
[17:16] <knome> lol
[17:16] <elfy> :)
[17:17] <olbi> :]
[17:18] <olbi> what is the adress of document where I could test daily builds and types results?
[17:18] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[17:18] <elfy> that one olbi ?
[17:19] <pleia2> disabled creation of new accounts on the wiki, now to do some cleanup
[17:20] <olbi> I mean same document in google docs which was with Xubuntu 11.10 :)
[17:21] <knome> have i done it wrong, or why don't i have a merge proposal button in my branch overview
[17:22] <pleia2> hmm
[17:23] <pleia2> the link should say "Propose for merging"
[17:23] <knome> yeah, no such link
[17:23] <pleia2> how did you check it out initially, bzr branch?
[17:24] <knome> i believe so yeah
[17:27] <pleia2> ok, I'll just send an email now and ask for some guidance
[17:27] <knome> ta
[17:28] <pleia2> you're on the list right, no need to Cc:?
[17:28] <knome> ubuntu-doc?
[17:28] <knome> i'm not
[17:28] <pleia2> ok, I shall cc
[17:28] <knome> i hate docs >:)
[17:29] <pleia2> ok, sent
[17:29] <pleia2> haha
[17:34] <knome> oh oh!
[17:34] <knome> i think i solved it
[17:35] <pleia2> oh good
[17:35] <knome> hmm, no
[17:35] <knome> meh
[17:35] <pleia2> hehe
[17:35] <knome> head hurts
[17:35] <pleia2> aw
[17:35] <Unit193> Less whiskey.
[17:42] <knome> ok, i think i fixed it
[17:43] <knome> no?
[17:43] <knome> "not mergeable"
[17:44] <pleia2> hrm
[17:44] <pleia2> maybe it has something to do with /quantal not existing as an active branch
[17:44] <pleia2> I guess we'll just wait for help
[17:49] <knome> oh my!
[17:49] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubuntu/quantal/xubuntu-docs/new-docs/+merge/124580
[17:50] <pleia2> huh
[17:53] <knome> meh. :)
[17:53] <knome> so at least it's done now
[18:06] <knome> pleia2, do you want to update them? that branch you linked to doesn't exist anymore
[18:07] <pleia2> ok
[18:07] <knome> thanks
[19:47] <pleia2> oh good connor replied
[19:49] <knome> mmhmm
[19:50] <knome> i shall look...
[19:51] <knome> aha
[20:28] <knome> pleia2, you still there?
[20:36] <knome> hey Book_em_Dano
[20:37] <Book_em_Dano> hey
[20:37] <knome> so, what do you know about documentation building? :P
[21:04] <Rocket2DMn> knome, this is Connor
[21:05] <knome> hey Rocket2DMn! :)
[21:05] <knome> so, i've pushed the changes to the branch
[21:05] <knome> all the validation errors looks like gone now
[21:07] <Rocket2DMn> alright, give me a minute
[21:07] <knome> sure
[21:08] <Rocket2DMn> did you update pot files?
[21:09] <knome> mm, i'm not completely sure - possibly
[21:09] <knome> i can do that if that's the only missing thing
[21:09] <Rocket2DMn> no, you're not really supposed to touch them
[21:09] <knome> doing 'make' still gives some warnings as i wrote in the mail
[21:09] <knome> aha
[21:09] <knome> ok, so why does make create them? :P
[21:10] <knome> (there isn't even a make target that doesn't create them, but rebuilds the html and css)
[21:10] <Rocket2DMn> i dont know very much about translations, not sure how they are supposed to get updated in our source, if at all.  translations are done through lp
[21:10] <knome> mm-hmm
[21:10] <knome> yeah, i was wondering how they work too
[21:10] <knome> but i can remove the .pots from the final version before MP
[21:12] <Rocket2DMn> hmm im not really the person to answer questions about the pot files, i never touch them
[21:12] <knome> ok... :)
[21:12] <knome> do you know who is?
[21:12] <Rocket2DMn> ive never actually worked with the xubuntu docs, mostly just the main ubuntu-docs and the serverguide
[21:12] <Rocket2DMn> mdke (Matthew East) is in charge of the docs team, he would probably know how they are handled.
[21:12] <Rocket2DMn> He's the guy we need to update the branches too
[21:13] <knome> ubuntu-docs at least used to use the same stuff than xubuntu
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> yeah it used to be in docbook, now its in mallard.  the proiject setup looks very similar to the older ubuntu-docs setup
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> the serverguide still uses docbook
[21:14] <knome> yeah, it was really similar, but i've cleaned up a bit
[21:14] <Rocket2DMn> we still have the problem of merging it back into our development branch
[21:14] <knome> well, i noticed there were some problems earlier
[21:14] <Rocket2DMn> you branched from lp:ubuntu/xubuntu docs rather than lp:xubuntu-docs right?
[21:15] <knome> i didn't even get a "merge proposal" link
[21:15] <Rocket2DMn> from what i gather, the latter just updates from the former whenever we do a release
[21:15] <knome> but i simply pushed to different location, and now it allowed me to propose the merge
[21:15] <knome> i can't remember which one i originall branched tbh, it's quite a lot of time
[21:15] <pleia2> Rocket2DMn: hey, thank you!
[21:16] <Rocket2DMn> pleia2, long time no see.  you're welcome
[21:16] <Rocket2DMn> knome, i assume you deleted files as part of this process?
[21:17] <knome> Rocket2DMn, yeah, quite a lot actually
[21:18] <knome> Rocket2DMn, i was wondering if i deleted something we needed, but i don't think so
[21:20] <Rocket2DMn> im just trying to figure out the best way to get your changes merged, give me a few minutes to play around
[21:20] <knome> sure, and please tell me if i can help in any way
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> knome, how familiar are you with bzr?
[21:31] <knome> mediocre
[21:32] <Rocket2DMn> hmm
[21:33] <Rocket2DMn> i'm trying to decide if i should do this in one commit or two.  since we're gonna blow everything away that's currently there, it might be safer to delete everything first, commit, then merge
[21:33] <Rocket2DMn> since these branches don't have a common ancestor, i get conflicts everywhere when i merge, which is expected, i'm just not entirely sure i am resolving them properly
[21:34] <knome> deleting first sounds okay to me
[21:34] <knome> we don't want to migrate anything from the old branch anyway
[21:34] <knome> (and we'll always have the history)
[21:34] <Rocket2DMn> it might be better to have mdke just create a new lp:xubuntu-docs branch from scratch
[21:34] <Rocket2DMn> then we can dump everything there with a clean history
[21:34] <knome> everything goes for me, as long as we can do this before docfreeze and beta2freeze
[21:35] <Rocket2DMn> i can commit what i have, but i'm going to email Matthew to see how he wants to do it.  i'd suggest a branch new branch since we're basically starting over
[21:36] <knome> sure
[21:36] <knome> and again, if you need anything from me...
[21:50] <Rocket2DMn> knome, i sent an email to Matthew.  You can find him in #ubuntu-doc but he is away most of the time
[21:51] <knome> thanks, i'll join
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> if you idle on IRC, you can probably send him a message and wait.  He lives in Europe I think, so it may be difficult to get ahold of him in the late afternoon/evening
[21:51] <knome> huh, idle 60 days
[21:51] <knome> i live in EU too. :)
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> 60 days, nice
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> ah ok, then you may have better luck getting ahold of him than i usually do
[21:52] <knome> mmh, maybe, if he isn't planning to be idle the next 60 days too ;)
[21:55] <Rocket2DMn> ok, well i'll idle on IRC for awhile, but i am stepping afk, i'll check back periodically
[21:56] <knome> ok, have fun and thanks!
[22:13] <knome> Rocket2DMn, just updated the branch; removed the .pots and did some more cleanup
[22:24] <ochosi> hi everyone
[22:31] <Book_em_Dano> knome, I have a question about the images that are supposed to appear inline on the docs, this may not be a high priority topic given what you are trying to accomplish as of yet
[22:32] <knome> Book_em_Dano, yes?
[22:32] <Book_em_Dano> the images are not appearing, what are you using to render the xml files
[22:32] <knome> gedit :P
[22:33] <knome> i wonder if the latest "fixes" broke them then
[22:34] <knome> Book_em_Dano, i can see them.
[22:34] <knome> Book_em_Dano, are you building the docs in a different way or sth?
[22:35] <Book_em_Dano> I've been using yelp to render the source code
[22:35] <knome> aha, i don't know about yelp. i've been building the docs with the Makefile
[22:35] <knome> (just run make in the root, and look at "build")
[22:35] <Book_em_Dano> once the package is built, you are using the html files
[22:35] <knome> yes
[22:36] <knome> those html files do show me the images
[22:41] <ochosi> knome: what viewer are we using for our docs atm? (haven't bothered to use them in a looong time)
[22:41] <knome> ochosi, for the offline docs? $default_browser
[22:42] <ochosi> so ff in our default case
[22:42] <knome> yes
[22:42] <ochosi> mmhm
[22:42]  * ochosi wonders whether there'd be a better solution for that
[22:42] <knome> what do you mean?
[22:42] <ochosi> dunno, a slimmer browser
[22:42] <knome> a better browser, or a better way to work with the docs?
[22:42] <ochosi> i mean yelp is dedicated to docs
[22:43] <knome> mm-hmm
[22:43] <ochosi> but otoh it's not very slim
[22:43] <knome> midori :P
[22:43] <knome> i don't really know if we need yet another browser
[22:43] <knome> ff works fine
[22:43] <ochosi> either that, or a tiny gtk-html implementation
[22:43] <knome> ok, it's slow, but so what?
[22:43] <knome> you're not going to need to refer to the docs all the time
[22:43] <knome> they aren't even so extensive you could
[22:44] <ochosi> yeah, but still, imo it's always nice to have an efficient solution for one usecase
[22:44] <knome> kind of, but in a way it again feels a bit unnecessary, since we already have FF for browsing and viewing html files
[22:45] <knome> if we want to be lighter, let's switch firefox
[22:46] <knome> why does amazon "recommend" me something that is on my wishlist?
[22:46] <ochosi> heh
[22:46] <ochosi> yeah, tbh switching ff would work for me
[22:46] <ochosi> at least if we also switch to a different mailclient
[22:47] <knome> heh
[22:47] <knome> i'm still fine with that if people do thorough comparison reports
[22:48] <micahg> FWIW, dropping yelp would be great as it would drop some more unneeded GNOME stuff
[22:48] <micahg> (including gnome-user-docs)
[22:49] <ochosi> +1 as our docs don't use yelp that'd be great
[22:49] <knome> yeah, but something does use yelp, right?
[22:49] <ochosi> gnome apps use yelp for their docs
[22:49] <knome> yeah
[22:50] <knome> would it suck if gnome apps didn't have help?
[22:50] <knome> well, kind of, if they aren't pulling yelp in at all..
[22:51] <ochosi> haven't looked, but it'd be at least evince, simplescan...
[22:52] <ochosi> an alternative would be to also use yelp for our docs
[22:52] <knome> :F
[22:53]  * ochosi sees potential up and downsides there
[23:01] <ochosi> it'd prolly be worth to talk to folks like j1mc bout that
[23:02] <knome> yeah, and i think it might have been worth thinking if we want to step away from docbook too
[23:02] <knome> (the answer is now: you are free to do it, but i'm not helping :P)
[23:02] <knome> but might've been different 6 months ago
[23:03] <ochosi> yeah i can see why now is a bad time to talk about that
[23:04] <knome> now, or even for S
[23:04] <knome> i don't see any reason why we'd migrate away, since docbook, once converted, does not need a specialized application to browse
[23:05] <knome> and our situation now is quite good, the docs should be pretty up-to-date and all
[23:06] <ochosi> yup
[23:11] <ochosi> updating my quantal testbox now to see what awaits us in b2
[23:33] <knome> :)
[23:34] <ochosi> strange, somehow greybird's xfwm4 didn't get installed...
[23:34] <knome> hmm? :)
[23:35] <ochosi> reinstalling the pkgs now
[23:36] <knome> heh, monday's first mail
[23:36] <knome> not to us, but neighbours


[04:10] <Dino> hi friends
[04:11] <Guest23154> i have an issue
[04:13] <Guest23154> I have an Acer netbook with lubuntu installed, and a huawei datacard - E-8131, the internet is slow - Help please
[04:20] <Guest23154> I have an Acer netbook with lubuntu installed, and a huawei datacard - E-8131, the internet is slow - Help please
[04:25] <holstein> Guest23154: if they dont support linux, it may not work well.. i would try and test the card in a supported operating system..
[04:25] <holstein> make sure that it works
[04:26] <Guest23154> I had tried in chromium os - was working fine
[04:28] <Guest23154> The thing is I want to use as a desktop environment and not in cloud, thats why I switched to lubuntu
[04:58] <kingchipo> Hello everyone! Trying to get my broadcome wireless driver working properly. I've managed to connect to my wireless but the connection is extremely slow. Could use some assistance with this problem if at all possible
[05:00] <kingchipo> dmesg | grep b43 displays several errors.. ERROR: PHY transmission error, as well as: warning: unexpected value for chanstat (0x7c00)
[05:01] <kingchipo> Additionally I've reinstalled the firmware multiple times
[05:02] <kingchipo> Any assistance would be awesome! ill standby
[05:09] <ianorlin> hmm not sure of that error message try lspci -vvn |grep 14e4
[05:11] <kingchipo> The command returns 14e4:4320
[05:11] <kingchipo> rev 02
[05:13] <meek_> Hello all
[05:14] <kingchipo> o/
[05:14] <kingchipo> err i should say it returned : 00:09.0 0290: 14e4:4320 (rev 02)
[05:16] <ianorlin> should proably give more contex with lspci -vvn |grep -C 10 14e4
[05:16] <meek_> I have lubuntu installed Acer netbook, and connecting internet with a Huawei E8131 datacard, but the connection is slow
[05:17] <meek_> Some help would be nice
[05:39] <holstein> meek_: sure.. and you should ask Huawei for help.. but, as far as for lubuntu support, please try the device in a supported operating system to make sure its functioning properly
[05:39] <holstein> meek_: then, i would try a few linux live CD's.. ubuntu 12.04, 14.04.. 14.10.. anything to get a different kernel
[05:49] <meek_> But it works fine with Chromium OS, AFAIK its also linux based
[05:50] <meek_> Maybe I am asking for too much, anyways @holstein thanks
[05:52] <holstein> meek_: then, you are not having an issue with the card
[05:52] <holstein> meek_: oh.. you mean, chromiumOS.. not the chromium browser
[05:53] <holstein> meek_: thats why i suggested trying other live CD's with differnt kernels
[05:53] <meek_> not browser, chromium OS
[05:53] <holstein> meek_: in linux, the kernel has the drivers "baked in" basically, so, a different kernel can support the hardware, while an older one wont, or a newer one might have a regression, or have to drop support
[05:54] <holstein> meek_: so, you can boot up "chromiumOS" and look at the kernel, and match that as much as possible from an ubuntu version..
[05:55] <meek_> sure @holstein but can you also tell me 'How to' find kernel version
[05:56] <holstein> meek_: in most linux distros, you can open a terminal and run "uname -a"
[05:56] <holstein> meek_: i dont use chromium OS.. and it may be different..
[05:56] <meek_> fine I will check these suggestions and will get back if required
[05:57] <meek_> thanks @holstein, have a nice day :)
[05:58] <kingchipo> *pulls out hair
[05:59] <kingchipo> I dont want windows xp X (
[05:59] <holstein> kingchipo: you really shouldnt use it.. its EOL
[06:00] <kingchipo> Haha, well im trying to put lubuntu on this piece of shit my dad uses
[06:00] <kingchipo> Wireless card refuses to work
[06:00] <holstein> these days, hardware like that is quite reasonable
[06:00] <holstein> i just swap out to hardware that supports the operating system i want to use
[06:01] <holstein> you can try using the windows driver with ndiswrapper.. but, anything im leaving with a family member has to be bulletproof..
[06:01] <kingchipo> haha, yeah just broke college student atm haha
[06:01] <kingchipo> tired of removing viruses :\
[06:01] <holstein> kingchipo: i have plenty i got for free or *quite* cheap..
[06:01] <holstein> kingchipo: its up to you.. nothing about linux/lubuntu is preventing broadcom from supporting that device, but, i woudl try referring to..
[06:02] <holstein> !broadcom
[06:02] <kingchipo> haha yeah im aware of the proprietary bs
[06:02] <holstein> try lubuntu 14.04 live.. you should be able to add the firmware there
[06:02] <kingchipo> Thinking of trying a debian distro
[06:03] <holstein> kingchipo: so, try adding the firmware, and see if it works, and dont assume that on a machine of the xp era that its not just bad hardware
[06:03] <holstein> i spend a long time troubleshooting a device for the *same* deal.. a family member. turned out the wifi device was broken
[06:04] <holstein> kingchipo: the kernel is modular, and contains the drivers that its allowed to contain.. debian is not allowed to provide the brodcom drivers either..
[06:04] <kingchipo> Haha, well it does work on xp, I''ve gotten to to recognize to "connect" just very slow
[06:04] <holstein> kingchipo: you should be able to try a debian live distro as well..
[06:05] <kingchipo> Lol, Have you ever dealt with a really old machine? if the image is larger than 700 mb It will not install
[06:05] <holstein> kingchipo: you might have 2 broadcom driver options, as well as the windows driver in ndiswraper
[06:05] <kingchipo> Read in some ubuntu docs that this card should use the bra legacy
[06:05] <holstein> kingchipo: *yes*.. the machine i referenced above was older.. and i installed on an older machine today.. *quite* often. the age of the machine is *not* your issue
[06:06] <holstein> !broadcom | kingchipo
[06:06] <holstein> ^ thats the ubuntu doc
[06:06] <holstein> kingchipo: you can read there, or here.. open a terminal and run "lspci". there, you will find your device id.. bcm4313 or whatever
[06:06] <kingchipo> It's wierd, I try installing mint earlier, being that i needed to use a dvd the live cd is extremely slow and seems to halt
[06:07] <holstein> kingchipo: mint has the same kernel
[06:07] <kingchipo> Right, wierd. Mint and kubuntu would not install. But the smaller lubuntu image would
[06:08] <holstein> kingchipo: i *dont* install til i learn how to support the hardware
[06:08] <kingchipo> any image on a cd would install, dvd image would not
[06:08] <holstein> kingchipo: a team of professionals were hired to make sure all that hardware worked well in windows.. you are taking that role on
[06:08] <holstein> !mini | kingchipo
[06:08] <kingchipo> Right lol i understand
[06:09] <holstein> you can use that image, which fits on a CD.. install the minimal environment, and use wired networking to get packages
[06:09] <holstein> you can install from bootable USB
[06:09] <kingchipo> I can't remeber the exact lubuntu image i used but it was 680 mb and installed fine from cd
[06:09] <kingchipo> I know the official was 720 mb and would not install from dvd haha
[06:09] <holstein> kingchipo: i would use the 14.04 version
[06:10] <holstein> kingchipo: if you are not, get the 14.04 version, and try it.. you can use the mini iso i referenced above, or USB install
[06:11] <kingchipo> Well Ive gotten lubuntu installed. Unforunately its so old the bios dont support booting from usb
[06:11] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ is how you boot USB on that hardware
[06:11] <kingchipo> woah
[06:11] <kingchipo> Thats helpful...
[06:11] <holstein> if you dont have version 14.04, get that one
[06:11] <kingchipo> I do
[06:12] <holstein> kingchipo: you state you dont know what you have
[06:12] <kingchipo> I dont know which image i used. It was 14.04 but the image was smaller than the official image
[06:13] <holstein> kingchipo: there is *only* the official versions
[06:13] <kingchipo> I used the alternate image available here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[06:13] <kingchipo> slightly smaller so i could fit it on cd-rom
[06:13] <holstein> ok.. that is official
[06:14] <holstein> kingchipo: so, read the broadcom linke, and try the alternatives.. or replace the hardware. or try the windows driver in ndis
[06:14] <holstein> usually there are 2 options.. but, there may not be
[06:14] <holstein> you can use "lspci" and link the output here if you need help figuring out what you have
[06:14] <holstein> !paste
[06:15] <kingchipo> ok sure thanks! ill run through the documentation again and see my results.
[06:15] <holstein> kingchipo: or, share you card chipset here, or #ubuntu and someone can assist
[06:17] <kingchipo> Ok, possibly found the problem? the driver in use is b43-pci-bridge. This isn't the legacy driver i presume?
[06:17] <holstein> kingchipo: dont "presume" anything
[06:17] <holstein> kingchipo: link your chipset here, or #ubuntu, and a volunteer will try and assist you
[06:18] <holstein> kingchipo: open a terminal, run lspci, and share the chipset..
[06:18] <holstein> share the entire line from there about the device..
[06:18] <kingchipo> Chip is BCM4306 ( 14e4:4320)
[06:20] <holstein> kingchipo: no "Rev" ?
[06:20] <kingchipo> rev 2
[06:20] <kingchipo> sorry..
[06:20] <holstein> kingchipo: it *literally* cannot hurt you to shave the entire line
[06:21] <holstein> share*
[06:22] <holstein> kingchipo: you can try, opening a terminal, and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer" without the quotes
[06:23] <holstein> kingchipo: acutally, for rev2, you need..
[06:23] <holstein> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43legacy-installer"
[06:24] <holstein> kingchipo: i woudld try the second command, and reboot.. i would be wired when running that ^ and also, before i test, i'll run this as well "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" while wired, before rebooting..
[06:25] <holstein> kingchipo: please run those 2 commands, and share any errors, and reboot and test the wifi..
[06:25] <holstein> !paste
[06:31] <holstein> kingchipo: is the wifi working?
[06:32] <kingchipo> Yes, It connects to the router, but is extremely slow
[06:32] <kingchipo> about 4000 bytes per second slow
[06:32] <holstein> kingchipo: how are you determining the speed?
[06:33] <kingchipo> just a speed test lol
[06:33] <holstein> kingchipo: in what capacity? a speed test to your gateway?
[06:34] <kingchipo> speedtest.net
[06:34] <kingchipo> lol
[06:35] <holstein> kingchipo: whats funny, friend?
[06:35] <kingchipo> the speed :)
[06:35] <holstein> kingchipo: there can be expected compromises, as i was saying before, since, you are not promised linux support for the device by the creators of it
[06:36] <holstein> kingchipo: did you update? and reboot?
[06:36] <kingchipo> I did both update and reboot
[06:37] <kingchipo> Could conflicting drivers cause this?
[06:38] <holstein> kingchipo: if you installed multiple drivers, and you are not using the one i just had you install, sure
[06:38] <holstein> kingchipo: what driver are you using? you can use "lspci -vv" and *please* use pastebin to share the *actual* output
[06:38] <holstein> !paste
[06:40] <holstein> kingchipo: sure, thats the information you shared before *still* not copied and pasted as i asked.. what i need is the driver information
[06:40] <holstein> kingchipo: can you open a terminal and run "lspci -vv" and share the output?
[06:41] <kingchipo> Whats the short cut for copy ?
[06:41] <ianorlin> !pastebinit
[06:41] <holstein> select.. right click.. select "copy".. or control c..
[06:43] <kingchipo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9279245/
[06:43] <kingchipo> sorry, i was in xterm
[06:44] <holstein> kingchipo: did you install any other drivers from the internet?
[06:45] <holstein> kingchipo: what would i do? load an ubuntu 14.04 live CD.. lubuntu is fine.. i would install the firmware-b43legacy-installer package, and see that it works as expected..
[06:46] <kingchipo> I believe i may have, when i first attempted to troubleshoot the card i follow some instructions on a forum post.
[06:46] <kingchipo> ok, ill do that, sounds easier
[06:47] <holstein> kingchipo: if you have ran some commands that you cant/wont share here, they could be breaking something
[06:47] <holstein> kingchipo: you can also just fresh install, and refer to the information i gave..
[06:47] <kingchipo> reinstalling now
[06:48] <holstein> kingchipo: that would likely take less time since you have the alternate iso already.. resintall, boot and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43legacy-installer" while wired.. reboot, and test
[06:49] <kingchipo> Ok sure thing, incase your not here when it finishes, Thanks a ton for your help
[06:50] <holstein> sure.. and if that doenst work, i would do these steps.. remove that package.. sudo apt-get autoremove firmware-b43legacy-installer, then refer to and try https://andym3.wordpress.com/projects/the-broadcom-wireless-card-guide/
[06:50] <holstein> if that doesnt work, remove what he has suggested, and..
[06:50] <holstein> !bug
[06:50] <holstein> ^ file or join a bug... you can always try #ubuntu as well, since its more general than lubuntu
[06:51] <kingchipo> Will do, Thank you so much!
[06:52] <holstein> or, just buy another device.. i promise you can replace that for under $10US
[06:53] <kingchipo> Yeah i know lol, I have a netbook setting in my closet.. just need another 3.5 hdd for it or else i would use it.
[06:56] <holstein> you can get one of those for free/cheap as well
[06:56] <holstein> the netbook.. not the hard drive ;)
[06:57] <holstein> what i did was take the chipset from one netbook and replace a broadcom in another.. viola
[06:57] <holstein> voila*
[07:00] <kingchipo> People are pretty greedy with their electronics around here.
[07:00] <kingchipo> For some reason they believe their emachines they bought from circuit city in 1989 is still worth  $1200
[07:01] <holstein> what chipset is in the netbook? why not run the netbook with an SD card or USB stick for a hard drive?
[07:01] <holstein> i'll just pulll the hard drives and boot sd cards on them..
[07:02] <kingchipo> Hmm thats a really great idea.


[05:01] <jibel> Good morning
[05:04] <pitti> Good morning
[05:47] <DanChapman> thomi, hey are you about?
[10:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <elfy> morning davmor2
[11:00] <elfy> morning phillw
[11:28] <slickymaster> morning all
[11:49] <om26er> bug 1239643
[11:49] <om26er> can anyone please confirm that
[12:16] <om26er> ubuntu-qa anyone with a mako is this bug happening for you?
[12:17] <om26er> bug 1239660
[12:17] <pitti> om26er: I saw it last week still; currently flashing to latest image, can retry with that
[12:18] <om26er> pitti, ok, thanks
[12:20] <jibel> om26er, 1239643 confirmed on build 96
[12:21] <om26er> bug 1239643
[12:21] <om26er> jibel, thanks
[12:21] <om26er> jibel, change the status to confirmed, please ;)
[12:27] <jibel> om26er, wrt. 1239660 do you have an example because I never found an online video I could play
[12:27] <om26er>  want me to give you a torrent ?
[12:28] <om26er> jibel, let me give you a link.
[12:28] <om26er> jibel, http://vodo.net/personofinterest
[12:29] <jibel> om26er, works here. mako build 96
[12:30] <jibel> well, what is called HD, is a jumpy stamp size video, but I can hear the sound
[12:30] <om26er> jibel, right, if sound is working then its good. There was no sound for me at all.
[12:31] <jibel> om26er, it didn't work on previous builds, are you using 96?
[12:31] <om26er> jibel, I am now. I was on an old build a few hours ago
[13:10] <phillw> belated hi elfy :)
[14:27] <elopio> good morning!
[14:28] <slickymaster> afternoon elopio
[19:22] <thomi> morning
[19:26] <phillw> hi thomi
[19:28] <doug5> hello
[20:01] <davmor2> morning thomi
[20:20] <phillw> has anyone seen balloons about today?
[20:21] <stgraber> it's a bank holiday in the US and Canada
[20:21] <phillw> stgraber: that's convenient :P
[20:23] <phillw> stgraber: just as a shot in the dark, do you know how http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-incoming-bug-tasks.html# is built? Is it a job that needs to be run, or is it supposed to crawl bug reports?
[20:23] <stgraber> it's a cronjob running every hour or so and looking at bug reports
[20:25] <phillw> stgraber: most odd, any idea why it has not picked up bug 1220165
[20:27] <stgraber> because it's not targeted for saucy
[20:27] <stgraber> anyway, that bug is almost fixed and should be in the next rebuild
[20:30] <phillw> stgraber: okies, I'll shut up before I step out of line again :D
[20:33] <phillw> I'll pull in the bugs from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds for the Lubuntu-QA meeting to check which are flavor / release agnostic but prevent an install :)


[15:01] <scahartner> hi all, back again
[15:02] <scahartner> the user-data worked really well. thanks for that
[15:02] <scahartner> but I ran into another problem with the chef module
[15:02] <scahartner> is there a know problem with chef and the accept-license parameter
[15:03] <scahartner> it fails with the following error for me:
[15:04] <scahartner> Running module chef (<module 'cloudinit.config.cc_chef' from '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/config/cc_chef.py'>) failed
[15:05] <scahartner> around line 455 while processing the license parameter. it seem to interpret the "accept" value as a directory
[17:27] <Odd_Bloke> scahartner: Can you pastebin cloud-init.log?


[07:05] <Serway> Hey guys, why won't dust work on my computer? i have the latest murrine svn, but it fails to decorate the windows on dust
[09:22] <rsc-> hey guys.
[09:23] <rsc-> whats crackin'?
[09:57] <kwwii> rsc-: hey man
[09:58] <kwwii> do you have a pic with just the bg (no ibex) of the wallpaper we included in intrepid?
[10:03] <rsc-> maybe
[10:03] <rsc-> i'll get it to you when i can
[10:03] <savvas> haha, I expected the line "what's in it for me?" after maybe :)
[10:03] <savvas> too much movies I suppose:P
[10:04] <rsc-> no need, I'm sure he'll have some smartass retort to that anyway :b
[14:34] <kwwii> njpatel: do you know how to set a panel bg in a gtk theme?
[14:34] <njpatel> kwwii: bg colour or pixmap?
[14:35] <kwwii> njpatel: pixmap
[14:35] <kwwii> I am doing it in gconf now and apparently you can set it in gtk
[14:35] <kwwii> gtkrc
[14:35] <kwwii> but I cannot find any decent info on how to do that
[14:35] <njpatel> kwwii: not off by hand, no. but I know some themes do it gnome-look
[14:35] <njpatel> oh you mean the proper way of setting it?
[14:36] <njpatel> I have no idea, I wanted to find out for unr, but never got round to it
[14:36] <kwwii> well, I am going to have to figure out how
[14:36] <kwwii> as the current gconf stuff does not allow you to change it
[14:36] <njpatel> the only thing I can think of is that it must be a style properly of the panel, so reading the source might help
[14:37] <kwwii> I wish I knew which theme on gnome-look had a panel bg, I could just look there
[14:38] <njpatel> kwwii: i think those just use the pixmap engine or something like that. gnome-panel itself doesn't know about the pixmaps (i.e. in it's settings dialog)
[14:38] <kwwii> njpatel: I'll just browse gnome-look until I find a theme that already does it :-)
[14:40] <njpatel> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Fibra+de+Carbono+Dark-Blue?content=90189 is ugly but themes the panel with a pixmap
[14:41] <kwwii> ahha, I figured it out
[14:41] <kwwii> wow, you can really set a lot of stuff for the panel
[14:49] <zniavre> panel is the most difficult to modify for me
[15:20] <Cimi> kwwii, but try to open the about menu after setting the pixmap
[15:27] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, I have seen that before
[15:28]  * kwwii takes a break...bbl
[19:03] <Nece228> hey everybody!
[19:03] <Cimi> hi Sir
[19:04] <Nece228> lol, now I'm sir =)
[19:06] <Nece228> Cimi: i dont understand, gnome 3.0 will be actually 2.30, but it should have gtk3, but its in second generation beacause of 2.xx
[19:07] <Nece228> that confuses me
[19:07] <Nece228> :S
[19:07] <Cimi> yeah 3.0 will be 2.30
[19:08] <Cimi> 3.0 won't be a rewrite
[19:08] <Cimi> gtk+ 3.0 won't be a rewrite too
[19:08] <Nece228> umm
[19:09] <Nece228> so gtk 3 will not be like kde3 and kde4
[19:09] <Cimi> no
[19:09] <Nece228> oh, current gnome has got gtk 2.14
[19:10] <Cimi> gtk+ 2.x already have the features qt 4.x has
[19:10] <Nece228> so it will be tweaked gtk2
[19:10] <Cimi> qt 3.x had less features than gtk 2.x
[19:10] <Cimi> it will be a 2.x series without all the deprecated code
[19:10] <Nece228> yeah, i know this, gtk is much more powerful
[19:11] <Nece228> then ok, i like that idea, it will be still stable, will work with current apps
[19:12] <Cimi> apps should require just few modifications to work with 3.0
[19:12] <Cimi> a rewrite will not be needed
[19:12] <Nece228> thats great
[19:14] <Nece228> i just remember old question which i wanted to ask in past
[19:15] <Nece228> but its stupid enough so i will not ask it
[19:24] <Nece228> Cimi: very nice configurator, im playing with it now
[19:24] <Cimi> it's not mine
[19:24] <Cimi> and it is not supported by the svn
[19:26] <Nece228> Cimi: no matter, murrine configurator is very cool
[19:44] <Nece228> ok im off, bye
[21:55] <Cimi> kwwii, ping
[22:01] <kwwii> Cimi: pong
[22:02] <Cimi> kwwii, pvt?
[22:02] <kwwii> sure


[00:06] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww closed [issue #2876](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2876): Mir hangs after input when hosted on Wayland with multiple displays using the hardware cursor