[17:00] <Riddell> pleia2: community council?
[17:00] <czajkowski> Riddell: jst coming
[17:00] <Darkwing> Hey czajkowski, Riddell
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> o/
[17:00] <czajkowski> dholbach: Gwaihir ping meeting time
[17:00] <czajkowski> Darkwing: hey ducky!
[17:01]  * Darkwing meekly waves
[17:01] <dholbach> :-)
[17:02] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
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[17:02] <czajkowski> aloha and welcome to the CC meeting
[17:02]  * pleia2 waves
[17:02] <czajkowski> just waiting on some CC folks to join and we shall continue shortly
[17:03] <czajkowski> #topic Kubuntu Council Catch up
[17:03] <czajkowski> so who's here from the CC ?
[17:03] <beuno> o/
[17:03] <dholbach> I am, sort of
[17:03] <pleia2> :)
[17:04] <dholbach> still busy with the Ubuntu 24h crazyness marathon
[17:04] <czajkowski> ok then
[17:04] <czajkowski> so Kubuntu council, thanks for coming along, how are things going with you guys these days ?
[17:04] <Riddell> well mixed
[17:04] <Riddell> you'll know that canonical dropped us as a supported flavour earlier this year
[17:05]  * pleia2 nods
[17:05] <Riddell> the announcement for that was handled really badly by canonical
[17:05] <pleia2> yeah, it was very confusing for a lot of people
[17:06] <Riddell> the only communication to the kubuntu community was an e-mail which would be great for any politician, managed to say nothing about what was happening
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> (I suppose those of us here from KC should also wave)
[17:06] <Riddell> and they changed the message about support for 12.04 which I had to read about in someone blog comments
[17:06] <pleia2> :\
[17:06] <Riddell> so that was pretty disappointing treatment of the community
[17:07] <beuno> right
[17:07] <Darkwing> I'm still recieving some wonderful comments based on that.
[17:07] <czajkowski> nods was this brought up in the last meeting I think ?
[17:07] <beuno> Riddell, and you feel that hasn't been "fixed">
[17:07] <czajkowski> this is the 2nd time we've meet wtih kubuntu council.
[17:07] <beuno> s/>/?
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" it. It may be "water under the bridge" at this point.
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> it's hard to re-do a press announcement ;-)
[17:08] <beuno> indeed
[17:08] <beuno> so what do things look like moving forward?
[17:08] <Riddell> now we have a company who wants to sponsor us by providing a the support service canonical dropped
[17:08] <Riddell> and I get e-mails from people asking for just this
[17:09] <Riddell> but they've been in discussions with canonical since april and it still hasn't happened
[17:09] <Riddell> so that feels really frustrating
[17:09] <Darkwing> From the community standpoint, people are asking if Canonical is stalling because they still "own" kubuntu
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> when you say "it still hasn't happened", you are referring to discussions between the company wanting to provide support, and canonical?
[17:09] <Darkwing> That's the reaction I have recieved.
[17:09] <beuno> yeah, of course
[17:10] <beuno> nothing moving forward, no communication
[17:10] <Riddell> if canonical don't want to support kubuntu I get that (they have to make money) but now they're stopping the community from being able to do useful things
[17:10] <beuno> doesn't benefit anyone
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> e.g. canonical saying, "yes, you can provide support for kubuntu"?
[17:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: right, it's their agreement is moving forward but at a snails pace
[17:10] <czajkowski> Riddell: who have you been dealing with in Canonical?
[17:10] <Riddell> I'm told there's only 1 issue left to go
[17:10] <czajkowski> I think we the CC can chase up on this if needed.
[17:10] <beuno> Riddell, JontheEchidna, Darkwing, we'll chase this up
[17:10] <beuno> right
[17:10] <beuno> :)
[17:10] <Riddell> czajkowski: amanda and steve george
[17:11] <beuno> k, we'll get on the case and let you guys know
[17:11] <beuno> this seems the worst of all situations
[17:11] <Darkwing> This conversation started at last UDS. IMO, this is killing our community of support.
[17:12] <Riddell> actually it started before then, UDS was when we finally got a meeting
[17:12] <beuno> of course, uncertainty is terrible for businesses
[17:12] <Darkwing> Not to mention the trust of the community of Ubuntu/Canonical (They are being lumped into one at this point
[17:12] <Darkwing> )
[17:13] <czajkowski> Darkwing: I can understand that, it might have been an idea to have pinged the CC in the mean time if there was a delay
[17:13] <Darkwing> Of course, I've been out of the daily loop the last 3 months.
[17:13] <czajkowski> we dont have any control over the Canonical communications but could have chased up on things before now
[17:13] <pleia2> yeah, always feel free to come to us :)
[17:13] <pleia2> I'm glad we have these catchup meetings though, good to catch stuff like this
[17:14] <Riddell> there's no deliberate attempt to restrict kubuntu there, but we're so low down on the priority list it just doesn't get done
[17:14] <Riddell> another issue is getting sysadmin to update the website
[17:14] <pleia2> yeah, I saw that ticket from August the other day
[17:14] <Darkwing> :)
[17:14] <pleia2> have you followed up with them on IRC?
[17:14] <Riddell> I don't know who to ping any more
[17:15] <dholbach> the people in #canonical-sysadmin should be able to help
[17:15] <pleia2> in #canonical-sysadmin they always have a "vanguard" in the topic
[17:15] <dholbach> on freenode
[17:15] <czajkowski> Riddell: like all RTs #canonical-sysadmin in freenode
[17:15] <Riddell> I'd rather just move off canonical's web servers but I know that'll end up in another months long issue of getting it approved
[17:15] <pleia2> they'll be the active one at the time (best to ask during weekdays)
[17:16] <Riddell> I guess I'll try that
[17:16] <czajkowski> Riddell: do you have an RT number ?
[17:16] <Riddell> https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=20296
[17:16] <czajkowski> there is a vanguard on there all days at least and even some weekends
[17:16] <beuno> Riddell, how about filing an RT to move the domain off of canonical?  it will at least be a food place to document and discuss
[17:17] <Riddell> beuno: one thing at a time!  I don't want to distract them!
[17:17] <beuno> heh
[17:17] <pleia2> :)
[17:17] <beuno> smart man
[17:17] <czajkowski> does ayone else from the council have any other comments
[17:18] <czajkowski> I've just pinged somone in the IS channel to follow up on the RT
[17:18] <pleia2> the quetzal+kubuntu logo from that beta post is so great
[17:18] <Riddell> for the coming UDS I don't know what track to put specs into or who will accept the specs for UDS
[17:18] <Riddell> czajkowski: you mean someone other than me moaning :)
[17:19] <czajkowski> Riddell: no I just mean someone elses view as well
[17:19] <czajkowski> if they want
[17:19] <czajkowski> it's an open meeting
[17:19] <Darkwing> Just from my observations in the Kubuntu community
[17:19] <Darkwing> This is still teh biggest issue
[17:19]  * pleia2 nods
[17:19] <Darkwing> Because our hands are completly tied.
[17:19] <beuno> yeah, I'm really sorry to hear we're still in this situation
[17:20] <Darkwing> Canonical severed the buisness situation and then we are not allowed to fix it yet.
[17:20] <sabdfl> hi folks
[17:20] <Darkwing> Hey Mark
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:19 < deej> czajkowski: I'll give the score a bump on it
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:19 < deej> It's not a big deal but it's not a five minute thing either
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:19 < czajkowski> deej: can you give me an ETA rougly please :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> hi :)
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:20 < deej> czajkowski: Is it urgent enough that it should take precedence over release stuff?
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:20 < czajkowski> not over release stuff no
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:20 < czajkowski> but is high as it's reported a few months ago
[17:21] <czajkowski> 18:20 < deej> Okay, so I'll score it so it should happen pretty much immediately post-release
[17:21] <czajkowski> so the RT ticket will be looked into
[17:21] <czajkowski> and again if there are other RTs that need to be followed up on please jsut ask
[17:21] <Darkwing> So, August RT is not going to be looked at for another month?
[17:21] <pleia2> release is in 2 weeks :)
[17:21] <Riddell> that means we'll have out of date content on the website for the release
[17:22] <Darkwing> Riddell: +1
[17:22] <beuno> as for UDS
[17:22] <czajkowski> well we;re in a better place than we were 10 mins ago
[17:23] <Riddell> yep, thanks
[17:23] <beuno> Riddell, wouldn't you follow the same process as x/lubuntu?
[17:23] <Riddell> beuno: I don't know what that is
[17:23] <beuno> dholbach, you look like a persona who does know!
[17:24] <beuno> or maybe jono is around?
[17:24] <jono> hey
[17:24] <dholbach> beuno, we're in a hangout on air
[17:24] <beuno> \o/
[17:24] <dholbach> beuno, which xubuntu/lubuntu process were you referring to?
[17:25] <beuno> 17:18 < Riddell> for the coming UDS I don't know what track to put specs into or who will accept the specs for UDS
[17:25] <jono> what can I help with?
[17:25] <beuno> dholbach, ^
[17:25] <Darkwing> jcastro... just ask Jorge :D
[17:25] <jono> Riddell, just put them on the logical tracks (E.g. Desktop for KDE related topics, Foundations for lower level bits, Community for governance)
[17:25] <jono> and ask the track leads to ensure they get scheduled
[17:25] <dholbach> beuno, ah sorry - I must have missed that bit - if you choose Desktop, it might help to have a chat with Jason Warner before and if you choose 'other' I think it was Kate in the past
[17:26] <jono> there will be no Other track this time
[17:26] <jono> we removed it
[17:26] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:26] <jono> we might need to update the website
[17:27] <dholbach> I'll make a note
[17:28] <Riddell> I think I'm out of moans :)
[17:29] <Riddell> oh I forsee issues if ubuntu gets rid of alpha and beta milestones but that's a technical issue rather than community
[17:29] <pleia2> yeah
[17:30] <xnox> Riddell: release management was under "other" track last time... wasn't it?!
[17:30] <Riddell> xnox: yes, dunno what track that'll be this time
[17:30] <xnox> Riddell: plus there will be feedback from R session where I think that will come up =)
[17:33] <Riddell> czajkowski: any other questions?
[17:33] <czajkowski> Riddell: can you please let the CC know the exact outstanding issue that you are wating to hear back on, either here or via email please so we can follow up on this
[17:34] <dholbach> how is the actual work on Kubuntu coming on? do you have new contributors helping out?
[17:35] <Riddell> we seem to have a good number of contributors, not sure we're doing as good at recruitment as we have done
[17:35] <dholbach> I saw a couple of folks who might be ready for upload rights :)
[17:36] <dholbach> I'll reach out to them again - maybe they'll need encouragement from others as well :)
[17:36] <Riddell> yeah that would be good
[17:36] <dholbach> I'll let you know how it goes :)
[17:37] <Riddell> czajkowski: ok I'll send an e-mail
[17:38] <czajkowski> Riddell: thank you
[17:39] <dholbach> apart from recruitment - do you think the kubuntu community is working out fine generally? just in terms of getting things done?
[17:40] <Riddell> dholbach: for distro development yes I think so
[17:41] <dholbach> ok great
[17:41] <dholbach> that's good to know
[17:42]  * JontheEchidna agrees
[17:42]  * shadeslayer agree as well :)
[17:42] <shadeslayer> while we could always do with more people, we're managing well
[17:43] <czajkowski> any other comments folks ?
[17:44] <beuno> none from me
[17:44] <dholbach> no, I think I'm all set as well
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> all set here
[17:45] <pleia2> thanks for joining us :)
[17:45] <Riddell> thanks for inviting us
[17:45] <czajkowski> thanks folks for coming along
[17:45] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  4 17:45:29 2012 UTC.
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[17:45] <pleia2> no CoC review?
[17:46] <czajkowski> oh wwoops
[17:46] <czajkowski> sorry no there were no mails sent at all
[17:46]  * IdleOne reviewed it. Looks good.
[17:46] <pleia2> we only got one applicable comment on the fridge post, "make it easier to sign" :) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/09/27/code-of-conduct-v2-request-for-feedback/
[17:46] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone
[17:47] <pleia2> does anyone else have any feedback on the latest revision of the CoC?
[17:47] <IdleOne> make it easily translatable
[17:47] <pleia2> *the text of*
[17:47] <pleia2> ;)
[17:47] <czajkowski> well the make it easier to sign there is a bug on it but we were witing till version 2 to come out to follow up on that
[17:48] <pleia2> (the technical problems like translations and making it easier to sign won't really be addressed until the LP folks work down their queue of more pressing bugs)
[17:48] <IdleOne> nope, the wording is good.
[17:48] <pleia2> shall we have a session at UDS that is CC + CoC?
[17:49] <pleia2> then maybe do formal CoC release after UDS
[17:49] <czajkowski> I have to head
[17:49] <pleia2> hm?
[17:50] <IdleOne> head out*
[17:50] <IdleOne> I think :/
[17:50] <pleia2> darn, I was hoping she was volunteering to lead that session :)
[17:50] <IdleOne> lol
[17:50] <pleia2> I think everyone left, oops
[17:51] <IdleOne> btw thank for that email this morning :)
[17:51] <pleia2> anyone able to chair next time?
[17:51] <pleia2> I guess I can do the wiki stuff, since I won't be able to get to the next meeting
[17:51] <pleia2> the plan is to meet with the tech board next time, so if someone who will be at the meeting can contact them it'd be great
[17:52] <sabdfl> pleia2, when are you off?
[17:52] <Gwaihir> pleia2, can do that, setting a reminder for tomorrow
[17:52] <pleia2> sabdfl: I fly out on the 10th :)
[17:53] <sabdfl> great part of the world
[17:53] <pleia2> yeah, I'm excited
[17:53]  * pleia2 will take many pictures!
[18:00] <cielak> alright, I guess we're ready to go
[18:01] <cielak> anyone here for Ubuntu Accomplishments meeting?
[18:01] <mfisch> hola everyone
[18:01] <cielak> hey mfisch
[18:01] <cielak> okay, I guess it's just us two here
[18:02] <cielak> mfisch: do you think we should go on with this meeting, or postpone it for when more will be able to attend?
[18:02] <mfisch> ok
[18:02] <mfisch> cielak: I'd love to discuss some prelim goals for 0.4
[18:02] <cielak> alright, so do I
[18:02] <cielak> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <cielak> so since we've released 0.3 about a week ago we hadn't done much
[18:03] <mfisch> nope
[18:03] <cielak> there was some interesting feedback from users though
[18:04] <cielak> Martin Owens has published a cool blog post where he expresses his concerns about default accoms collection
[18:05] <cielak> and I guess we should indeed open up for a wider discussion concerning how can we improve the structure of these default accom collections
[18:05] <cielak> maybe that's a thing for UDS actually
[18:05] <mfisch> I'd love to see that in a mock-up
[18:05] <mfisch> actually maybe it would be more useful just to layout what stuff we want to cover at UDS here?
[18:06] <cielak> mfisch: you coming to UDS?
[18:06] <mfisch> yes
[18:06] <cielak> awesome
[18:06] <mfisch> I will be busy and possibly leading some sessions, but I should be able to sneak out when I can
[18:06] <cielak> we'll make sure you can help with accomplishment discussions
[18:07] <cielak> one of things that currently bother me is whether we aim for 0.4 or 1.0 now, as Jono refers to it
[18:07] <mfisch> what are your thoughts?
[18:08] <cielak> if we release 1.0 we'll guarantee that we will support that version from then on
[18:08] <cielak> so that milestone would express a level of maturity of the whole system
[18:08] <cielak> if we go for another 0. release, then we're open for wider changes
[18:09] <mfisch> most of the changes I'd like to see are in the viewer, but I haven't thought about them enough to figure if they'd need major API changes
[18:09] <cielak> as far as I know they won't need much
[18:10] <mfisch> at UDS, i'd like to see if we can get anyone interested in being a core developer on the viewer
[18:10] <cielak> what we totally need to do is to finally implement the 'showcase' design
[18:10] <cielak> +1
[18:10] <mfisch> since neither of us is skilled/interested
[18:10] <cielak> I guess both me and Jono are actually interested
[18:10] <cielak> what we're lacking is a high level of expertise in GTK
[18:11] <cielak> which stops us from making things as we wish them to be
[18:11] <mfisch> I'm happy to help, but learning GTK is not anywhere near the top of my priority list
[18:11] <cielak> and to be honest, last 2 release cycles we didn't pay as much attention to the viewer as we did to the daemon
[18:11] <mfisch> for sure
[18:11] <mfisch> for example in unit tests or pep8
[18:12] <cielak> so since the daemon is pretty much stable now, we will be able to concentrate on improving the viewer
[18:12] <cielak> exactly
[18:12] <cielak> viewer will also need a major code reorganisation
[18:12] <cielak> we'll also need to work on the design
[18:12] <mfisch> yes
[18:13] <cielak> actually, one of the ideas that came to my mind recently
[18:13] <mfisch> with some many accomps, it is very cluttered
[18:13] <cielak> was to increase the use of webkit in the daemon, thus reducing the GTK influence to dialog windows and toolbar
[18:13] <cielak> I guess we might implement beutiful showcase using javascript
[18:14] <mfisch> yes
[18:14] <mfisch> some of that may depend on who can help
[18:14] <cielak> that would release us from all these spacing bugs, GtkIconView limitations, and it would improve performance heavily
[18:14] <cielak> true
[18:14] <mfisch> perhaps one of our sessions should be brainstorming viewer ideas
[18:14] <cielak> so basically we may want to look either for GTK experts, or someone experienced with javascript etc
[18:15] <cielak> yeah, I do believe there is a bunch of people who have cool ideas but never have notified us about them
[18:16] <mfisch> so jono wont be at UDS
[18:16] <mfisch> I know mhall119 is leading a session
[18:16] <cielak> if we go for heavier use of webkit, we're gonna need some CSS magic too, but that technology is more commonly known
[18:17] <cielak> what about?
[18:17] <mfisch> the online stuff and server infrastructure I think
[18:18] <cielak> that's cool
[18:19] <mfisch> cielak: do we have any blueprints?
[18:19] <cielak> none that I know of
[18:20] <mfisch> So it sounds like we need to discuss later this week or next setting up some Blueprints
[18:20] <mfisch> I can help but can't be the main driver as I have other ones to make
[18:20] <cielak> sure
[18:20] <cielak> and since jono can't attend, I may end up leading some
[18:20] <mfisch> ok
[18:21] <mfisch> sounds like one for sure is viewer focused: fixes, technologies, and features
[18:21] <cielak> and design
[18:21] <cielak> another one will need to focus on reorganising default accomplishments collections
[18:22] <mfisch> yes
[18:22] <cielak> I'll sum up all concerns known to me in a wiki page, to gather these thoughts in one place
[18:23] <mfisch> please do
[18:23] <mfisch>  and post the link for us
[18:23] <cielak> I will
[18:24] <mfisch> Lets wrap this up
[18:24] <mfisch> we'll need to get a few more folks next time
[18:24] <cielak> yup, and depending on who we'll find we'll decide on viewer's future interface
[18:25] <mfisch> yes
[18:25] <mfisch> well I mean our focus for now should just be UDS planning
[18:25] <mfisch> and encouraging people to attend that remote or in person
[18:25] <cielak> right
[18:26] <cielak> planning also includes deciding on blueprints
[18:26] <cielak> yet I guess that unless we remind of something significant we won't need any more
[18:27] <cielak> one for server/gallery, one for viewer, one for accoms
[18:27] <cielak> that's fairly enough
[18:27] <mfisch> jono may know some more
[18:27] <mfisch> can you send a summary of this out to the list?
[18:27] <mfisch> and ask for participation?
[18:27] <cielak> I'll do so
[18:27] <mfisch> thanks
[18:27] <mfisch> I actually have to go to the dentist now :(
[18:28] <cielak> no problem :)
[18:28] <mfisch> thanks cielak
[18:28] <cielak> I think we're set
[18:28] <mfisch> bye everyone
[18:28] <cielak> thanks mfisch, bye!
[18:29] <cielak> #endmeeting
[18:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  4 18:29:17 2012 UTC.
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[19:42] <xnox> micahg: Laney: was there MOTU meeting? or am I confused.com?
[21:21] <Laney> xnox: no, and you are not
[21:21] <Laney> we just didn't bother to have it
[21:21] <Laney> like naughty boys and girls
[21:22] <xnox> Laney: cosmic rays I take it =)
[21:23] <Laney> those pesky rays
[22:07] <uros1> Hi all, whats happened with meeting tonight?
[22:09] <uros1> anybody?
[22:15] <toddy> uros1: you mean the Ubuntu Membership Board Meeting?
[22:15] <uros1> yes
[22:15] <toddy> I don't know. who is in the board?
[22:15] <uros1> cjohnston,
[22:16] <uros1> hggdh
[22:16] <uros1> PabloRubianes
[22:17] <uros1> greg-g
[22:17] <uros1> beuno
[22:18] <uros1> but look
[22:18] <uros1> he next 22:00 UTC meeting will be at Thursday, October 4th, 2012 at 22:00:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
[22:18] <uros1> its now, right?
[22:19] <toddy> yes, i think so. I have the german time but I think I have UTC+2 and I have 00:19 :)
[22:20] <uros1> yes, i have Belgrade time, same timezone
[22:20] <uros1> PabloRubianes: what happened with meeting tonight?
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> I don't know
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> I miss my bus
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> :S
[22:21] <uros1> cool
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> sorry I am late
[22:21] <uros1> you are first to come
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> none from the board is arround?
[22:22] <PabloRubianes> O.O
[22:22] <uros1> wellcome
[22:22] <PabloRubianes> thanks
[22:22] <uros1> we have small party
[22:24]  * greg-g waves
[22:24] <PabloRubianes> uros1, I am trying to get the rest of the board ;-)
[22:25] <uros1> ok ok
[22:25] <uros1> :)
[22:25] <hggdh> uros1: sorry, I am sick, and was fluttering around
[22:25] <uros1> cool
[22:25] <uros1> fly?
[22:26] <hggdh> no, just dozing on and off
[22:26] <uros1> get well, we need you
[22:31] <greg-g> sorry about not making quorum, everyone!
[22:33] <hggdh> all: unfortunately we need 4 members to vote, and we can only gather 3.
[22:33] <hggdh> as such we have no option but to postpone this meeting
[22:34] <hggdh> uros1, bojce: I am sorry
[22:34] <uros1> ok
[22:34] <PabloRubianes> hggdh, +1
[22:34] <greg-g> sorry again, all
[22:34] <bojce> ok
[22:34] <uros1> next meeting will be?
[22:34] <PabloRubianes> on the 18th
[22:35] <uros1> ok
[22:35] <bojce> ok


[03:22] <platypus> azend|vps, have you tried ubuntu budgie?
[16:21] <azend|vps> platypus: what are you doing in here?
[16:28] <diogenes_> azend|vps, barbecue
[16:29]  * azend|vps is confused...
[16:34] <azend|vps> I'm using deepin and gnome 3 at the moment but budgie looks nice