[20:07] <asac> cjohnston: i really just want to collect loads of ideas atm and then distill them into real wishlist bugs :)
[20:07] <cjohnston> stgraber: I haven't gotten an invite?
[20:07] <asac> cjohnston: let me invent something for that purpose :)
[20:07] <stgraber> cjohnston: I sure invited a Chris Johnston, not sure which account that was though ;)
[20:07] <cjohnston> lol
[20:08] <rsalveti> cyphermox: testing your package now
[20:10] <balachmar> any people here running UT on a Galaxy S?
[20:14] <doanac`> asac, pmcgowan: this sounds like something that could be a smoke test and then just show up as any other test result like "share-app-autopilot"?
[20:14] <cwayne> Wellark, ping
[20:14] <m-b-o> fginther: seems like the MP is merged now
[20:14] <pmcgowan> doanac`, works for me
[20:15] <doanac`> asac: so probably is less of a dashboard feature and more of asking someone to write such a test
[20:15] <fginther> m-b-o, #94 was done by hand.
[20:16] <fginther> m-b-o, and it works right now because there is a copy of the DB in place with the test starts now. I suspect this is a bug, but I wasn't able to reproduce it outside of the jenkins machine
[20:17] <m-b-o> fginther: tried on my device, both with db pre existing and deleted. worked both times
[20:17] <fginther> m-b-o, I tried to find a missing dependency, but nothing came up
[20:18] <balachmar> so in adb devices my device is listed as offline, any tips?
[20:18] <balachmar> already tried sudo adfb kill-server etc, and debug mode is on
[20:18] <asac> doanac`: i think for now we want to see the information
[20:18] <asac> and not a red/green test
[20:19] <asac> not saying that it couldnt be a test :)
[20:19] <jdstrand> balachmar: is system-image-cli -b 0 -c daily-proposed --filter=full supposed to give me any output (eg, progress)?
[20:19] <m-b-o> fginther: it's even stranger, when a db-file already exists, it will be removed and a new db will be created...
[20:19] <ogra_> asac, 29.2 is ready
[20:19] <asac> place your bets :)
[20:19] <ogra_> (well, nearly, still syncing to cdimage)
[20:19] <balachmar> ooh, and I was never asked to accept a a host key
[20:19] <rsalveti> great
[20:19] <ogra_> now its done
[20:20] <doanac`> asac: okay. then lets add it to the qa-dashboard BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-s-dashboard
[20:20] <asac> doanac`: is utah in shape for 29.2
[20:20] <balachmar> jdstrand: I think you didn't mean to ask that from me
[20:20] <asac> ouch question mark doesnt work anymore on keyboard :)
[20:20] <fginther> m-b-o, I don't get it either
[20:20] <jdstrand> balachmar: hehe, you are correct :)
[20:20] <jdstrand> barry: is system-image-cli -b 0 -c daily-proposed --filter=full supposed to give me any output (eg, progress)?
[20:21] <doanac`> asac: i think so.
[20:21] <balachmar> jdstrand: :)
[20:21] <asac> doanac`: so you don't know :)
[20:21] <asac> ?
[20:21] <w-flo> that build was.. quick :o
[20:21] <doanac`> why wouldn't it be?
[20:21] <asac> it works again :)
[20:21] <asac> odd
[20:22] <m-b-o> fginther: thanks anyways!
[20:25] <mhall119> lool: just uploaded 0.1.6 of my app, click package created via QtCreator
[20:25] <fginther> m-b-o, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1218598
[20:26] <lool> mhall119: thanks!
[20:26] <cyphermox> rsalveti: don't bother, it's borken
[20:26] <lool> beuno: do click uploads require review for each version?  if yes, would you mind approving mhall119's updated xda?
[20:26] <rsalveti> cyphermox: :-(
[20:26] <mhall119> of course, it has the .bzr directory in it again, so 5x as big
[20:26] <rsalveti> ping me when it's fixed then
[20:27] <mhall119> beuno: they do require review, yes
[20:27] <lool> jdstrand: -v
[20:27] <lool> jdstrand: to get some output
[20:27] <barry> jdstrand: add -v or -vv
[20:27] <lool> -vv is a bit too verbose now in my experience
[20:27] <cyphermox> rsalveti: now should be much better
[20:27] <lool> like, downloaded bits
[20:27] <jdstrand> hmm. it's been running for nearly an hour...
[20:28] <rsalveti> cyphermox: cool, let me test
[20:28] <jdstrand> barry: if I ctrl+c will it continue where it left off?
[20:28] <lool> jdstrand: you can ^C it, it will redownload from start
[20:28] <lool> not resume, no
[20:28] <barry> no resume yet
[20:28] <jdstrand> that is planned?
[20:28] <lool> jdstrand: but at worst it's 300M, so if you have decent connectivity, it should not be 1h
[20:28] <barry> yes, with the new download service
[20:29] <jdstrand> lool: you are assuming a lot about my connectivity
[20:29] <lool> I'm not assuming, *if* you have decent connectivity  ;-)
[20:29] <jdstrand> there is a reason why I mirror all devel and stable releases of Ubuntu, and it isn't because I'm a packrat
[20:30]  * lool mirrors latest stable and devel Ubuntu and ports and Debian too, but that's because I *used* to have bad connectivity
[20:30] <lool> now I'm just wearing out these poor disks
[20:30] <lool> that die one after the other
[20:30] <lool> running with 2 disks out of the original 5 in raid 1+0
[20:30] <lool> mirror is soon gone!
[20:31] <lool> jdstrand: I can send you a pidgin with an USB key of the latest delta
[20:32] <jdstrand> I'll take it! :)
[20:32] <jdstrand> it's not horrible by 2005 standards
[20:33] <lool> one pidgin per day with a 64 GB USB key is pretty good Mbits
[20:33] <jdstrand> yes :)
[20:33] <lool> 759 kbits
[20:33] <lool> /s
[20:33] <lool> oh sorry 7 Mbits/s
[20:33] <jdstrand> that's a really funny way to think about it :)
[20:34] <lool> 759 kB/s
[20:34] <lool> that's more than my DSL!
[20:35] <_polto_> small wifi traffic with wpa2 uses 100% of CPU on nexus7
[20:35] <annerajb> hello
[20:36] <_polto_> on one of the cores.
[20:38] <_polto_> and /usr/bin/brcm_patchram_plus ---- 100% also.
[20:39] <_polto_>  system/bin/brcm_patchram_plus --enable_hci --scopcm=0,2,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 --baudrate 3000000 --use_baudrate_for_download --patchram /etc/firmware/bcm4330.hcd --no2bytes --enable_lpm --tosleep=50000 /dev/ttyHS2   ------  consume 100% CPU (one core)
[20:39] <lool> yes, seen that in the test farm too
[20:39] <lool> that's some broadcom driver getting crazy
[20:39] <lool> we've seen it in the qa lab as well
[20:39] <_polto_> lool, anything we can do about ?
[20:40] <rsalveti> cyphermox: working with with maguro, testing mako now
[20:41] <lool> _polto_: I don't know I'm afraid; you could file a bug against the kernel perhaps, or rather against the package shipping that file
[20:43] <_polto_> lool, I'll try some more tests without WPA2, ...
[20:43] <barry> lool: why can't i set the milestone on LP: #1215959 ?
[20:43] <cyphermox> rsalveti: ack
[20:44] <lool> barry: are there milestones in this project?
[20:44] <lool> hmm yes
[20:44] <barry> lool: oops, no unreleased ones ;)
[20:45] <lool> ah
[20:51] <rsalveti> cyphermox: ship it
[20:53] <rsalveti> awesome, this is getting better everyday
[20:53] <lool> woot, new image
[20:53] <Wellark> cwayne: pong
[20:53] <rsalveti> only issue now is that the data connection is on all the time by default, as long you have a valid sim card
[20:55] <stgraber> barry: daily-barry is currently importing images, should be ready in ~45min (yeah, importing stuff is slow.... still no pxz on the machine)
[20:55] <cwayne> Wellark, hey, should the unity launcher actually use the gsettings key now? it doesn't seem to
[20:55] <cwayne> com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites seems to be ignored
[20:55] <lool> stgraber: i was about to say that
[20:55] <stgraber> lool: the server side change required for the new numbering scheme was a one line change, simple enough :)
[20:55] <lool> watching top on nusakan
[20:56] <lool> stgraber: :-)
[20:56] <stgraber> lool, barry: actually, let me cheat a bit since we already have those images in daily
[20:56]  * lool goes taking some tea and then will do a final click test
[20:56] <barry> stgraber: cool.
[20:56] <Wellark> cwayne: not yet. the current plan is to have it working by Tuesday
[20:56] <barry> lool, stgraber, cjohnston: LP: #1218612
[20:56] <cjohnston> thanks
[20:57] <barry> stgraber: cool, thanks
[20:57] <lool> cool thanks
[20:59] <lool> stgraber: so it seems delta generation completed for 29.2, but I dont see it in the json; is it due to some internal mirrors?
[20:59] <lool> (in http://system-image.ubuntu.com/daily-proposed/grouper/index.json that is)
[21:00] <stgraber> barry: done
[21:00] <mhall119> is there a way to re-enable the tour after taking it?
[21:01] <beuno> mhall119, still need that review?
[21:01] <mhall119> beuno: I'm a slow learner :)
[21:01] <mhall119> oh, review of my app
[21:01] <mhall119> yes, it appears I do
[21:01] <stgraber> lool: it's being repacked at the moment
[21:02] <stgraber> barry: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/daily-barry/grouper/index.json
[21:02] <barry> stgraber: yay!
[21:03] <beuno> mhall119, it grew in size quite a bit, is that expected?
[21:04] <beuno> mhall119, did not pass review: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041759/
[21:05] <beuno> includes the .bzr and is missing apparmor
[21:06] <mhall119> beuno: I used QtCreator again, so all of .bzr is in there
[21:06] <beuno> mhall119, old version as well, as it doesn't have the apparmor bits?
[21:07] <mhall119> I thought I was up to date
[21:07] <mhall119> let me check again
[21:09] <mhall119> popey: do you know of a way to get back to the phablet tour?
[21:10] <jdstrand> that phablet tour was pretty neat when I first saw it btw :)
[21:10] <mhall119> yeah, it is
[21:10] <mhall119> I want to test it out on family members
[21:11] <mhall119> without having to phablet-flash again
[21:20] <alecu> sergiusens: do you know if the nexus 7 images work? mmcc on my team had issues with his 7 (it used to work fine last week)
[21:21] <mmcc> sergiusens: details in bug #1218065
[21:24] <tedg> pmcgowan, Fixed
[21:26] <pmcgowan> tedg, which the control panel dep?
[21:26] <lool> mhall119: latest xda app seems to work again, thanks
[21:26] <tedg> pmcgowan, Yeah, it'll take a while to get through the system though.
[21:27] <pmcgowan> tedg, great, let seb know its all done so he doesnt need to look at it
[21:27] <lool> cjwatson: click support seems functional in latest cdimage --pending build; trying r/o image now
[21:27] <sergiusens> mmcc: alecu long story short, dist-upgrading is not supported
[21:27] <mhall119> lool: \o/
[21:27] <tedg> pmcgowan, Will do, seems to be the last one.
[21:27] <sergiusens> mmcc: alecu you are missing hybris changes on the android side
[21:27] <tedg> pmcgowan, All the other indicators look good, I was able to remove gnome-control-center from my phone.
[21:27] <pmcgowan> tedg, cool
[21:28] <alecu> sergiusens: ah, I get it now. makes sense, thanks!
[21:28] <mmcc> sergiusens: aha. so, a "phablet-flash cdimage-touch --wipe" is called for then?
[21:29] <sergiusens> mmcc: yes, or no --wipe if you don't want to
[21:30] <mmcc> sergiusens: that's confusing, since "phablet-flash cdimage-touch" without --wipe failed to help yesterday...
[21:32] <balloons> ping nik90
[21:33] <cwayne> Wellark, thanks, is that likely to happen?
[21:34] <alecu> mhall119: edit /var/lib/AccountsService/users/phablet, remove the demo-edge=false line, reboot
[21:34] <mhall119> lool: beuno: so when does the app store go public?
[21:34] <sergiusens> mmcc: oh, I was just basing this out of your bug report
[21:34] <beuno> mhall119, we tried today but didn't make it, hoping for tomorrow
[21:35] <sergiusens> mmcc: there was an issue with the builds yesterday but with a reboot loop
[21:35] <mhall119> beuno: cool, I'll ready uReadIt
[21:36] <mhall119> alecu: thanks
[21:36] <mmcc> sergiusens: hmm. my bug report was that 'dist-upgrade' had problems, and when I tried to fix with a 'phablet-flash cdimage-touch', it had the same problems :(
[21:36] <alecu> mhall119: I wanted to see it again, too :-)
[21:36] <sergiusens> mmcc: never mind, I'm just tried and headaching now
[21:36] <mmcc> sergiusens: no problem. I'm currently re-flashing with today's image and will update the report
[21:37] <sergiusens> mmcc: ah, you may have caught the build when the switch from android from jenkins to android from ubuntu archives was being done
[21:38] <mmcc> sergiusens: ok, interesting.
[21:38] <sergiusens> cyphermox: that script I made now takes a -l to enable extra nm logging fwiw
[21:38] <mhall119> alecu: where do I file bugs against the tour?
[21:39] <alecu> mhall119: I've no idea! I just grepped the code to see how to enable it again.
[21:39] <mhall119> ah, lol, ok
[21:39] <alecu> mhall119: I suspect it's lp:unity8, since that's where the qml code seems to be
[21:39] <cyphermox> ok
[21:42] <cwayne> boiko, ping :)
[21:42] <boiko> cwayne: pong
[21:43] <cwayne> boiko, hey, i noticed you just marked this fixed, should the fix be in today's image? or not til tomorrow? https://bugs.launchpad.net/telephony-service/+bug/1216139
[21:43] <boiko> cwayne: should be already fixed in the images that have the new apps (dialer-app and messaging-app)
[21:44] <cwayne> boiko, ah, i still saw the bug today with the dialer-app
[21:46] <boiko> cwayne: really? /me checks the gsettings file
[21:48] <lool> !$#@$@
[21:48] <lool> click still broken with r/o images
[21:48] <boiko> cwayne: well, the code is definatelly in the telephony-service, so maybe the config options are not properly saved? I'm double checking here
[21:48] <lool> so preinstalled packages are there
[21:49] <mhall119> thanks alecu, sending them an MP
[21:51] <lool> alecu: still some breakage in latest image
[21:51] <lool> less
[21:51] <lool> [unity-scope-click] - DEBUG: click-scope.vala:183: Error building preview: No manifest found for app_id: ar.com.beuno.hello-world
[21:52] <alecu> lool: is that on the RO image?
[21:52] <lool> yes
[21:52] <lool> alecu: pkcon works as phablet over adb shell
[21:53] <lool> alecu: checking whether pkcon installed apps works now
[21:53] <boiko> cwayne: found the problem: if you reboot the phone it is going to play the new ringtone for incoming call, but for messages it should pick the change for the next message already
[21:53] <sergiusens> alecu: lool that app_id is different from a click app_id btw
[21:53] <lool> alecu: but at least it appeared in click list, when it didn't when installed from scope
[21:53] <sergiusens> as in, it looks different
[21:53] <lool> sergiusens: which app_id?
[21:53] <alecu> lool: I'm midway flashing --pending, will try the RO image next
[21:54] <sergiusens> lool:  app_id: ar.com.beuno.hello-world
[21:54] <alecu> lool, sergiusens: nevermind about that debug message, the name "app_id" is wrong there
[21:54] <boiko> cwayne: the problem is that the ringtone code in telephony-service is reading the incoming call sound only at startup, I will fix that, an MR should go in your direction really soon :)
[21:54] <lool> alecu: and I confirm the app is there and can be launched
[21:54] <lool> (some icon issues but it's there)
[21:54] <sergiusens> alecu: ok, seems just like the package name
[21:54] <alecu> sergiusens: it should say "package_name" in that debug message instead, and the id looks right.
[21:54] <sergiusens> alecu: great
[21:55] <cwayne> boiko, awesome!  man i missed working with you :P
[21:55] <lool> alecu, sergiusens: The good thing is that it feels we're down to a much smaller number of bugs
[21:55] <lool> I should confirm the xda one real quick
[21:56] <boiko> cwayne: might be that I am just happy that by switching to the new apps we got rid of lots of bugs :)
[21:56] <lool> uh Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication.
[21:56] <cwayne> boiko, :)
[21:57] <lool> mhall119: Hmm I might have jumped too happily on the xda package; I still get a different behavior than hello world; only renaming the download to .click allows installing it in the r/o image
[21:58] <lool> right
[21:58] <lool> mhall119: that's with 0.1.5
[21:58] <lool> mhall119: cjwatson said it had something to do with the click-build version you're using that should set the right things in the generated .click; if there's no old version lying around, then that might be a bug in click
[21:59] <lool> cjwatson: ^
[21:59] <sergiusens> mhall119: lool let me track down the qtcreator stuff for this
[21:59] <lool> cjwatson: file --mime reports application/x-debian-package on all of them, not sure how to test exactly
[22:03] <lool> alecu: I ran packagekit by hand with -v -v
[22:03] <lool> alecu: saw this error:
[22:03] <lool> 22:02:27        PackageKit          internal error: failed, but no error code: unknown
[22:03] <sergiusens> lool: seems to be using click build
[22:04] <lool> I wonder whether we're seeing inconsistent results because transacations are accumulated
[22:04] <sergiusens> ah, the joy of pkit
[22:04] <asac> so the sdk fix didnt really help :(
[22:04] <asac> ogra_: ^^
[22:04] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3832/webbrowser-app-autopilot/
[22:04] <asac> MAN
[22:04] <alecu> lool: ah, so it's not the scope after all... anyway, :-(
[22:05] <lool> alecu: I dont know
[22:05] <lool> alecu: the scope dies pretty much every time
[22:05] <asac> plars: can you give back: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/webbrowser-app-autopilot/
[22:05] <asac> seems super busy
[22:05] <lool> alecu: I just mean that tests are inconsistent because of state saved in transactions.db
[22:05] <asac> somehow unity is looping
[22:05] <asac> not sure
[22:05] <asac> hope the next image has that fixed
[22:05] <plars> asac: I'm giving back the whole thing, I just merged the new {dialer,messaging,address-book}-app tests
[22:06] <plars> asac: but we also got a phablet-tools update
[22:06] <plars> asac: not sure if it's causing problems yet, so standby
[22:06] <asac> plars: the whole thing?
[22:06] <asac> :)
[22:06] <asac> plars: if you wish i am fine
[22:06] <lool> ah it worked this time
[22:06] <asac> but i guess there is not much hope
[22:06] <asac> plars: so we thought this webbrowser stuff that is failing on maguro
[22:07] <asac> without system-settle being wild
[22:07] <alecu> lool: afaict the scope is dieing of inactivity
[22:07] <asac> was fixed by a ui-toolkit regression
[22:07] <plars> asac: I needed to, because I needed to regenerate the whole set of jobs, and it's just easier that way... not many things have run yet on .2
[22:07] <asac> plars: can you maybe check if going back two or three uploads of the uitk helps?
[22:07] <lool> alecu: I can never go back to apps scope when anything goes wrong
[22:07] <asac> i really would prefer if we could isolate this issue first :)
[22:07] <asac> plars: yeah sounds good
[22:07] <plars> asac: if it fails again, I'd have to try that locally
[22:07] <asac> plars: look maguro
[22:07] <asac> no systemsettle problems
[22:08] <asac> but still same shitty results as this morning
[22:08] <asac> as if the ui-toolkit fix, fixed like nothing :)
[22:08] <plars> asac: yeah, sensorservice was going nuts it seems
[22:09] <plars> on mako at least
[22:09] <mhall119> lool: 0.1.6 is the new XDA package, not 0.1.5
[22:09] <lool> mhall119: ah appstore still serves me 0.1.5
[22:09] <mhall119> 0.1.5 was my manually mangled package that cjwatson didn't like
[22:09] <mhall119> lool: perhaps because beuno hasn't approved the 0.1.6 changes yet
[22:09] <beuno> mhall119, but I have not approved it,so the store still has 0.1.5, right?
[22:09] <beuno> right  :)
[22:10] <alecu> lool: I've just flashed with --pending and --wipe. pkcon is happily reporting both installations as completed, but the app directories are empty.
[22:10] <mhall119> I've dist-upgraded, so let me build 0.1.7
[22:10] <alecu> lool: it's the same error I pointed a few hours ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1218483
[22:11] <lool> alecu: I didn't get this error
[22:11] <lool> alecu: apps appeared for me
[22:11] <asac> rsalveti: any idea what might be going on with sensor?
[22:11] <asac> rsalveti: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-mako-smoke-webbrowser-app-autopilot/89/artifact/clientlogs/top_before.log/*view*/
[22:11] <asac> from: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/webbrowser-app-autopilot/317869/
[22:11] <boiko> cwayne: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/telephony-service/fix_ringtone_updating/+merge/183044
[22:11] <asac> and: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/webbrowser-app-autopilot/
[22:12] <asac> rsalveti: feels like a race that happens only on some boots
[22:12] <boiko> cwayne: can you give it a try using the debs the CI job generates? (CI is going to take some time to run for the MR though)
[22:12] <asac> rsalveti:  the other boots here dont have that problem http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/
[22:12] <alecu> lool: ah, that's on the RO image, right? I'm still with the non-RO one
[22:13] <lool> alecu: yes, but I tested the regular image earlier and it just worked
[22:13] <lool> albeit I hadn't properly wiped my home
[22:13] <lool> so I guess that was unconclusive
[22:14] <alecu> lool: afaict --wipe also erases the apps installed in /opt/click..., so yes, they might be the ones already installed.
[22:15] <cwayne> boiko, sure thing
[22:17] <alecu> lool: I'm getting the same "internal error: failed, but no error code: unknown" you posted.
[22:18] <alecu> the scariest thing is pkcon returning OK!
[22:18] <alecu> ok, I need to be a dad for the rest the day.
[22:18] <lool> alecu: ok
[22:18] <alecu> there's not much I can do at this point :-(
[22:18] <alecu> see you guys tomorrow!
[22:43] <mhall119> lool: beuno: 0.1.7 uploaded
[22:43] <lool> thanks
[22:43] <lool> device doesn't boot anymore
[22:43] <mhall119> np:/
[22:43] <mhall119> no my fault
[22:43] <lool> so will leave it there for tonight
[22:43] <lool> mhall119: must be the xda app!
[22:43] <lool> I knew it was evil
[22:44] <mhall119> I'm sure the extensive security review would have caught all the evil things that code is doing
[22:44] <beuno> mhall119, looking
[22:44] <lool> in any case I can tell you it's one of the 2 most popular apps from the appstore
[22:44] <mhall119> \o/
[22:45] <mhall119> still 3 stars in the scope though :(
[22:46] <beuno> mhall119, still has .bzr though
[22:46] <mhall119> I'm going to add "Had the most downloaded app in the Ubuntu phone app store for over a week" to my CV
[22:46] <mhall119> beuno: not my fault, blame bzoltan
[22:46] <mhall119> I think that one isn't fixed yet
[22:46] <beuno> mhall119, :)
[22:47] <cjwatson> lool: mhall119 constructed his package by hand in a bogus way, hence the mime failure - he didn't use "click build" at all
[22:47] <mhall119> ^^ was 0.1.5
[22:47] <mhall119> everything after that was built via QtCreator
[22:47] <cjwatson> looks like this has been addressed as I catch up on more scrollback
[22:47] <mhall119> 0.1.6 even by the right version of qtcreator
[22:48] <mhall119> 0.1.7 I meant
[22:48] <beuno> checking it now
[22:49] <beuno>     "lint_package_filename_pkgname_match": "'com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.7' != 'com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app' from DEBIAN/control"
[22:49] <beuno> mhall119, ^
[22:49] <beuno> not sure if that breaks anything or not
[22:49] <beuno> the lint tool sure doesn't like it
[22:50] <beuno> am happy to approve if you think this is better than 0.1.5
[22:52] <lool> cjwatson: trying to figure out what makes the pk-click plugin / pk unhappy
[22:52] <mhall119> where did DEBIAN/control come from?
[22:53] <lool> cjwatson: seeing this "internal error" http://paste.ubuntu.com/6042085/
[22:53] <beuno> not sure, probably click generates it?
[22:53] <lool> now reflashing since it wont boot
[22:53] <cjwatson> beuno: it does
[22:53] <cjwatson> lool: no idea, not enough info
[22:53] <lool> cjwatson: yeah, I'll strace it to see if I spot anything while click install runs
[22:53] <cjwatson> lool: I think I've seen that in apparently otherwise successful builds and shrugged
[22:54] <lool> ah
[22:54] <cjwatson> beuno: I have no idea where "lint_package_filename_pkgname_match" comes from though - that's not me
[22:56] <cjwatson> beuno: does this actually mean "the package is called com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.7.click when it should be called com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app_0.1.7_all.click"?  I think something in QtC might be renaming the package under me, or maybe the app store - click build always calls it packagename_version_arch.click
[22:57] <mhall119> Qtc created the file name com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app_0.1.7_all.click
[22:58] <mhall119> is the lint tool generating the wrong expected filename?
[23:01] <cwayne> boiko, just installed from the CI and rebooted, didn't seem to work
[23:03] <asac> plars: seems not many tests were run at all?
[23:04] <asac> i guess you restarted before we got more?
[23:04]  * asac  assumes this is still running and says good night :)
[23:04] <lool> 'night
[23:18] <lool> boiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/telephony-service/add-missing-dconf-cli-dep/+merge/183055
[23:19] <lool> alecu: so fresh image, pkconf install-local from terminal works but installing from scope doesn't
[23:19] <lool> alecu: with hello-world package
[23:21] <Davideddu> Hello!
[23:22] <Davideddu> I'm trying to port Ubuntu Touch to a new device, Samsung GT-S7500. It's not supported officially by CM, but there is a
[23:22] <plars> asac: yes, it's all running, I'll be checking on it tonight
[23:22] <Davideddu> an unofficial build.
[23:24] <Davideddu> I want to ask a question: after putting the local manifests in .repo/local_manifests, should i run breakfast [codename]?
[23:43] <CountryfiedLinux> Is there an Ubuntu tablet install wiki?
[23:44] <CountryfiedLinux> Is there a list of Ubuntu approved tablets?
[23:47] <lool> cjwatson: So I can see packagekit run click info on the .click, looking at the code it would extract name and maintainer and architecture from the json, but it doesn't contain architecture
[23:49] <lool> cjwatson: it seems to call pk_package_id_build() on it
[23:49] <cjwatson> architecture is a bodge at the moment
[23:49] <lool> hmm that's non-fatal in pk anyway, it is just replaced with ""
[23:49] <lool> cjwatson: I straced packagekit calling when the scope requests installation
[23:50] <lool> cjwatson: I confirmed the .click data is downloaded directly by download manager (it's named .click BTW), then it runs click info, but never goes past that
[23:50] <cjwatson> I've had three pints including some rather strong cider, any sense you get out of me is coincidence
[23:51] <lool> cjwatson: oh best time for debugging  :-)
[23:51] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm planning on buying a tablet and installing Ubuntu on it With a bluetooth keyboard and protfolio case it would be a very cost efficient touchscreen laptop.
[23:51] <Fishscene> CountryfiedLinux: Check the First link in the MOTD.
[23:51] <CountryfiedLinux> Gnome Shell would most likely be what I'd use
[23:52] <NYL>  http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45109578&postcount=3
[23:52] <CountryfiedLinux> thanks Fishscene
[23:52] <lool> ah! http://paste.ubuntu.com/6042220/
[23:53] <NYL> any tips?
[23:54] <CountryfiedLinux> Fishscene, I don't see a how to wiki. I'm looking for a step by step how to.
[23:55] <slangasek> thomi: so if I'm dipping my toes in on autopilot, trying to fix that chronically failing app test from the other day; and I cannot figure out how to run an autopilot test reliably on the device over adb.  Is there a howto I should be following that tells me how to set up the environment?  (Current failure, after manually passing in the dbus env vars: DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply)
[23:57] <Fishscene> On that link, click on "Install" (Get started here!).  Which leads you to here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install (Which gives a list of currently "supported" devices, as well as a step-by-step how-to.


[02:10] <pabs3> https for archives is useful for that reason, I wonder if Ubuntu are planning on adding it
[02:10] <sarnold> yes and yes, I think
[02:11] <sarnold> but it's always A Thing due to many reasons :(
[02:11] <pabs3> ah ok


[09:52] <Sn0wT1g3r> Just to let you know the link to download Ubuntu Gnome 16.10 is missing on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME and on the offical Ubuntu Gnome website
[09:55] <Sn0wT1g3r> https://ubuntugnome.org/download/ that is even on the IRC headder has no download link for 16.10! Only the wiki release notes page is linked and it is missing the link to 16.10 as well.
[14:21] <freakyy> what is a good flat icon theme and complete one for ubuntu gnome?
[14:23] <freakyy> i8 mean material design icon pack / flat icon pack
[15:23] <UltimateVivo> Hi
[22:22] <freakyy> what version is ubuntu gnome 16.10 using (of gnome) and is there anything newer i could install? also ... gnome-terminal is it possible to activate hyperlink clicking because it doesnt work when im connected over ssh to some server and am inside a screen
[22:22] <freakyy> i double click but nothign opens


[20:34] <wxl> hey popey i'm hoping since you helped set up the hub you may be able to answer this: i'd like to set up Ubuntu SSO as an authentication method for Lubuntu's Phabricator instance. do you know how i may be able to go about that?
[22:19] <popey> wxl: good question. I don't actually. We're just using a pre-made plugin I think.
[22:22] <wxl> popey: pre-made plugin for OpenID?
[22:23] <popey> https://github.com/niemeyer/discourse-ubuntu-login
[22:23] <popey> turns our Gustavo made it
[22:25] <wxl> yep it's open id. that's what i needed. thanks popey :)
[22:25] <popey> np


[06:16] <Mirv> a quick thanks for yesterday meeting's +1 vote on PPU.
[16:00] <gnuoy> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  5 16:00:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is gnuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:00] <gnuoy> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <gnuoy> hmm no action points...
[16:01] <gnuoy> unless I'm missing something
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <jgrimm> o/
[16:01] <gnuoy> moving on
[16:01] <gnuoy> #topic Xenial Development
[16:01] <gnuoy> lets take a look at the release schedule
[16:02] <gnuoy> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[16:02] <gnuoy> that doesn't seem to be responding for me
[16:02] <gnuoy> ah, there it is
[16:02] <gnuoy> Jan 7 Alpha 1 (Monday, for opt-in flavors)
[16:03] <gnuoy> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:03] <gnuoy> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:04] <gnuoy> argh, wrong one
[16:04] <gnuoy> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:05] <gnuoy> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1514731
[16:05] <gnuoy> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1514482
[16:05] <gnuoy> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1510345
[16:05] <gnuoy> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1499620
[16:05] <gnuoy> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1510108
[16:06] <gnuoy> Two unassigned and apparently dosaboy is dealing with one and the other is incomplete
[16:06] <gnuoy> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:07] <caribou> gnuoy: I'm good, nothing on my side
[16:07] <gnuoy> caribou, ta
[16:07] <gnuoy> anyone got anything for caribou?
[16:08] <gnuoy> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:08] <gnuoy> matsubara, anything from you?
[16:08] <gnuoy> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:08] <arges> Nothing to report. Feed us any bugs.
[16:08] <gnuoy> arges, ta
[16:09] <nacc> gnuoy: i think matsubara is still on vacation
[16:09] <gnuoy> nacc, ok, thanks for the update
[16:09] <gnuoy> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:10] <gnuoy> not sure what fosdems deadline is or if anyone had submitted a talk?
[16:10] <gnuoy> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:11] <gnuoy> node that I know of
[16:11] <gnuoy> s/node/none/
[16:11] <gnuoy> #topic Open Discussion
[16:11] <rbasak> teward: did you have anything?
[16:12] <rbasak> I guess not.
[16:12] <gnuoy> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:12] <gnuoy> Next meeting Tuesday 12th January and your host will be the lovely zul
[16:12] <gnuoy> #endmeeting
[16:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  5 16:12:57 2016 UTC.
[16:12] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-01-05-16.00.moin.txt
[16:13] <caribou> thanks gnuoy
[16:13] <kickinz1> thanks!
[16:13] <gnuoy> np
[16:16] <dosaboy> gnuoy: sorry little slow on the mark, re 1499620 i'm waiting for someone to upload to proposed but its been a while
[17:13] <sabdfl> hello all
[17:14] <sabdfl> ish
[17:15] <mdeslaur> sabdfl: tech board meeting is in #ubuntu-meeting-2 if you're looking for it
[17:19] <sabdfl> thanks mdeslaur
[20:02] <Lord_System> Hello People Ubuntu


[08:34] <laptopgobooboo> hi, i have my friend's laptop and the keyboard works in the start and the resposnse in a funny way; like the CTRL(control) button was pressed hard
[08:34] <laptopgobooboo> can anyone help
[08:34] <laptopgobooboo> pls


 Ander kere is ek bly vir 'n slim vriend soos Kilos
[10:00] <Kilos> ai! nee man ek ken slimmes
[10:02] <Langjan> Jy is te beskeie my vriend. Jy is wat jy is, wees dankbaar daarvoor en leef daarvolgens!
[12:02] <inetpro_> Kilos: Jy is wat jy is... :-)
[12:02] <inetpro_> ai!
[12:02] <inetpro_> goeiedag ooms Langjan en Kilos
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:28] <Langjan> Ditsem inetpro, mooi loop.
[13:56] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA
[14:42] <Langjan> Ahoy pavlushka
[14:43] <pavlushka> Hello Langjan :)
[14:46] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[14:48] <Langjan> Hello paddatrapper, on which side of the world are you located? Morning from NZ/Oz 12 Aug or from Americas 11 Aug?
[14:50] <paddatrapper> Langjan: Canada, so morning of 11 Aug
[14:51]  * paddatrapper is dreading the long flight home tomorrow...
[15:28] <Langjan> Travel safe paddatrapper
[15:29] <paddatrapper> Langjan: thanks
[15:31] <Langjan> Canadian summer! Work, family or holiday?
[15:44] <pavlushka> Morning paddatrapper
[15:44] <paddatrapper> Debconf so somewhat work and some holiday
[15:45] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: its good to be home isn't it?
[15:46] <Langjan> Well Spring is in the air in the sunny North of SA
[15:46] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: I'm not home yet, but when I eventually do get there on Monday - yes it will be
[15:46] <paddatrapper> Cape Town is raining cats and dogs as far as I can tell (or was earlier)
[15:46] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: ah, I meant that :p
[15:47] <Langjan> Well they need much rain to survive the summer...hope it keeps coming
[15:47] <paddatrapper> this is very true...
[17:21] <Langjan> Look what I stumbled upon: https://freedompenguin.com/articles/opinion/ubuntu-mate-16-04-redefines-linux-desktops/
[17:22] <Langjan> Been using it in my lappie and installed it for a friend, very impressed!
[18:03] <Langjan> Is my slim vriend nog wakker? Kilos
[19:17] <Kilos> just came to say night all. sleep tight
[19:30] <captine> evening all
[20:18] <squish102> Anyone know software that could manage a debian install. push patches or make small configuration changes?
[20:19] <squish102> like change a desktop icon to point to a different url
[20:19] <squish102> i have 8000 machines to manage with the software
[20:20] <squish102> not looking at puppet enterprise because they want $120/year per machine
[20:21] <squish102> doesn't make sense to spend R12 mil a year to manage the machines
[20:33] <paddatrapper> squish102: ansible?
[20:33] <paddatrapper> puppet does have a non-enterprise edition, but I don't know what it entails as I have never used it
[20:34] <superfly> o/
[20:34] <paddatrapper> hi superfly
[20:35] <superfly> how's DebConf going, paddatrapper?
[20:35] <paddatrapper> superfly: great fun! Lots of interesting talks
[20:35] <paddatrapper> Fly out tomorrow...
[20:36] <superfly> So sad I couldn't make it :-(
[20:37] <paddatrapper> yeah... I won't be able to make next year and I'm already sad about it
[20:53] <squish102> paddatrapper: i will look at ansible thx. not sure if anyone here has experience with either ansible or puppet that could tell me how difficult or easy it is
[20:56] <paddatrapper> squish102: I've used ansible quite extensively. It's based on yaml files and ssh. You define roles and then assign hosts or groups to those roles
[23:06] <squish102> paddatrapper: i will have raspberry pi's that have an rdp client and chromium brower installed
[23:06] <squish102> all i need to do is patch management and some updates once a year to them.
[23:06] <squish102> ansible a good enough solution?
[23:07] <squish102> and the free version work with 8000 pi's all the same
[23:08] <paddatrapper> squish102: yeah sounds fine for that. Ansible is open source and has no limits. The only thing you can buy from Red Hat is the use of their cloud setup to manage everything from the Web
[23:08] <squish102> ok thanks, i will look into ansible
[23:09] <paddatrapper> squish102: how about unattended-upgrades for the updates? Runs once a week or so and installs updates. Configurable around which updates and warnings, news, etc
[23:09] <squish102> have zero people to support it once it is rolled out, so i hope it does not take lots of care and feeding
[23:10] <squish102> have to stagger updates because they all remote stores and the network would just break if they all tried to get updates at same time
[23:10] <paddatrapper> It randomises when (and that's configurable IIRC)
[23:11] <paddatrapper> You can run ansible from your laptop, so as long as you have ssh access to the machines, you're good
[23:14] <squish102> so paddatrapper, replacing a desktop icon with a new one, or changing a firewall rule, or stopping an unnecessary service on debian
[23:14] <squish102> would it have any problem doing that kind of thing?
[23:21] <paddatrapper> squish102: copy, iptables, service are the three task names needed there
[23:21] <paddatrapper> If you want a reference my configs live in: https://gitlab.com/paddatrapper
[23:22] <paddatrapper> https://gitlab.com/paddatrapper/ansible
[23:24] <squish102> Thanks paddatrapper , will check it out


[12:23] <jenda> Rinchen: For some reason, i don't think this is the first time that happened ;)
[12:24] <Rinchen> When I do public speaking engagements, I hand out 50 to 100 386 cds, used to hand out about 2 ppc CDs when we had them, and maybe 1 or 2 people would take a 64 bit cd
[12:34] <jenda> Rinchen: yeap, that seem the same to me here
[12:35] <jenda> Rinchen: in either case, there'll be an order in there for this country soon, either way. Thanks for the info :)
[12:35] <jenda> Rinchen: I hope we'll get a chance to chat soon enough - I do have to crash now, sorry :) And good night.
[12:40] <Rinchen> night jenda
[05:49] <Rinchen> Feel free to be more creative :-)


[07:05] <Cradam> hello can anyone tell me why i get this message : The action would require the installation of packages from unauthenticated sources.
[07:05] <Cradam> and it wont let me go any further in the update
[13:13] <Lockal> hi! Are there any news about unity panel & firefox integration in ubuntu 11.10?
[13:14] <Lockal> I searched for a bug on Lauchpad but have not found anywhere...
[13:21] <Cradam> unity is already intergrated isnt it
[13:27] <Lockal> Cradam, I mean download counter and progress in unity panel. Is this enabled in 11.10?
[13:28] <Cradam> well im using 10.10
[13:28] <Cradam> i am not switching from gnome
[13:29] <Cradam> would rather use windows
[13:31] <Lockal> unity panel looks like windows 7 panel, so there is no special benefit to use windows)
[13:33] <Lockal> also it would be good to highlight chrisccoulson
[13:33] <Cradam> by windows i meant XP
[13:34] <Cradam> plus ive used the old netbook edition and i must say the unity panel is not the win7 panel
[13:34] <Cradam> thats like saying the win7panel is like the mac dock
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> Lockal, there aren't any plans to do any additional firefox + unity integration work this cycle
[15:29] <Lockal> chrisccoulson, is it possible to merge unityfox functionality into ubufox extension?
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> Lockal, not really
[15:32] <Lockal> any chance to get into 11.10 or 12.04? Does this mean creating the special .deb for this small feature?
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> Lockal, it won't be going in for 11.10, and we certainly don't want any more extensions in the archive at the moment
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> they're a pain with the new release schedule
[15:38] <Lockal> chrisccoulson, and what's wrong with ubufox? The piece of code is rather small and should not interfere with non-unity systems
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> well, for 1 thing, we're not allowed to just completely change the scope of an extension that we ship by default with firefox
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> Lockal, perhaps you should read http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html ;)
[18:54] <greg-g> is it just me, or does the package from the stable thunderbird ppa report itself as 3.1.11 even though the pacakge says 5.0?
[18:57] <micahg> greg-g: shouldn't be, which part reports as that?
[18:59] <greg-g> micahg: the about dialog
[18:59] <greg-g> and, a plugin is complaining that it isn't compatible (it isn't compatibale with 3.1.11, only 3.3+)
[19:01] <greg-g> but, thunderbird --version gives me 5.0, and then i start thunderbird via "thunderbird" in the cli
[19:19] <micahg> greg-g: can you run which thunderbird?
[19:19] <micahg> 'which thunderbird'
[19:19] <greg-g> /usr/bin/thunderbird
[19:20] <micahg> that's weird
[19:20] <greg-g> yeah :
[19:20] <greg-g> ?
[19:20] <greg-g> grr, :/
[19:21] <micahg> does dpkg -l thunderbird* show anything with a 3.1.11 version?
[19:21] <greg-g> dpkg -l thunderbird*
[19:21] <greg-g> hah!
[19:21] <greg-g> yes, but only listed as "un"
[19:23] <micahg> greg-g: no idea then, could you file a bug? The link to the PPA bugs project is in /topic and maybe chrisccoulson can have a look tomorrow
[19:23] <gnomefreak> what is the pci command to check your pci cards :( i keep forgetting :(
[19:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: lspci
[19:23] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks for getting tb to replace evo
[19:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: good to see you :)
[19:23] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[19:23] <gnomefreak> good to see you as well
[19:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: I didn't do anything for it, it's all chrisccoulson
[19:24] <gnomefreak> ah ill thank him when i see him thanks
[19:24] <greg-g> micahg: cool, thanks for the help
[19:24] <gnomefreak> that is something we were talking about during dapper dev cycle
[19:24] <micahg> wow, well, 5+ years later, it's finally in progress :)
[19:25] <micahg> greg-g: you're welcome
[19:26] <gnomefreak> i have this bad feeling that since fglrx doesnt work that Radeon wont work either
[19:26] <gnomefreak> i have spent the better part of a month screwing with fglrx and i still get nothing
[19:32] <greg-g> micahg: you're not going to like this (as I don't) but I just restarted (because I also had a kernel update) and it now reports as 5.0
[19:33]  * greg-g shurgs
[19:33]  * greg-g shrugs even
[19:33] <micahg> greg-g: oh, yeah, if you have it running already, it won't change until you restart the app, it could've just still been open
[19:36] <greg-g> micahg: yeah, that's probably it. oh well. thanks again for your help and sorry for taking your time :)
[20:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: any idea on how to save bookmarks in firefox? other than sync
[20:16] <gnomefreak> do i need to install xul-ext-webfav to save them
[20:24] <gnomefreak> we purged greasemoneky?
[21:10] <BUGabundo> evening


[12:34] <tkd> hi, quick question - is there a way to have an upstart job load env vars from a file other than changing the exec to script and actually loading them there?
[13:47] <jodh> tkd: for system jobs, not really, but you can do magic with session jobs using 'initctl set-env': http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#initctl-set-env
[14:02] <tkd> jodh: oh well. will have to change to script then.
[14:03] <jodh> tkd: you can set variables using the 'env' stanza of course, but not wholesale from a file.
[14:10] <tkd> yeah - this is for a managed deploy where i want to have a static upsart .conf and a separate /etc file with the actual settings
[14:10] <tkd> i was hoping i could do something like the systemd EnvironmentFile
[14:12] <jodh> tkd: actually, there is a way to do what you want then: create your static foo.conf
[14:13] <jodh> tkd: then create foo.override containing multiple 'env $name=$value' lines.
[14:18] <tkd> jodh: oh, that sounds pretty good. will check it out
[14:32] <jodh> tkd: It's now in the cookbook: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#separating-variables-from-the-job
[14:42] <allaire> Hi, can somebody explain me why these two are differents: https://gist.github.com/allaire/ab0e4900da999983ff21  the second one, with no `exec` command returns the wrong pid, always the pid just before the correct one
[14:43] <allaire> Also, is the way I handle the pid in a file correct? I was curious how it was possible to know the pid ($$) before actually running the exec command
[14:44] <jodh> allaire: please read http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect
[14:46] <allaire> jodh: In my case I have both a script and an exec, I guess it takes the last one it encounter? Thanks for the link by the way
[15:05] <jodh> allaire: the correct one is probably the one with the 'exec'. Note that *that* exec is a shell keyword, not the upstart exec stanza :)
[15:07] <allaire> jodh: Yes that the correct one (the one with the exec). I thought it was the upstart exec, now I'm lost :(
[15:09] <jodh> allaire: when upstart sees a "script ... end-script" block, it runs it via /bin/sh. exec is a shell builting (see man sh / help exec).
[15:12] <allaire> from the man page, it's the same as running "./myscript", but how come I get a different pid depending of if I use it or not?
[15:17] <jodh> allaire: no, it isn't - exec *replaces* the current shell process with the command you run.
[15:18] <jodh> allaire: try logging in on a console and running "false". this just returns 1. Now try running "exec false" and see how it logs you out?
[15:19] <allaire> yea
[15:19] <allaire> I seee
[15:20] <allaire> so even if I have the "$$" var before the exec, it takes oveer the current shell process and that's why it has the right pid?
[15:21] <allaire> because $$ don't return the same thing if I have exec and if I don't


[00:54] <xubuntu54w> hello i need help concerning windows drivers
[05:25] <trompstomp> join #chromium
[05:34] <austin_> Hello I'm Austin
[05:35] <mucus> so you are
[05:35] <austin_> I'm doing good but I have a problem I have xubuntu on Virtual Box and its kinda laggy anyone else using virtual box?
[05:37] <mucus> is okie for me
[06:38] <octetcloud> running 14.10, xubuntu, with NetworkManager (the default) -> I never get password prompts! Suggestions?
[06:39] <octetcloud> ... I mean wifi password prompts. makes it impossible to connect to new wifi nets, the old ones work fine
[07:28] <xubuntu92w> Hello everyone! So I am having trouble booting into Xubuntu after installing it on my Toshiba laptop. It says "Reboot and select proper boot device" so I used the boot repair which fixed it to boot once, but if I restart it goes back to the same screen. Here is my screen
[07:28] <xubuntu92w> is my boot repair link*
[07:29] <xubuntu92w> paste.ubuntu.com/9680070
[07:47] <ObrienDave> ok, two issues, you did not install grub to the proper boot partition and you have a UEFI system. i don't know enough about either to give you proper guidance
[07:48] <ObrienDave> but if you ask in the #ubuntu channel, there are plenty of people there to help you
[08:15] <superprower> Hello again. In windows, when you press middle button of mouse, you can scroll page by moving a mouse. Is there a way to enable option like this in xubuntu?
[09:25] <function9x> hi I'd like to know does the Removable Storage save it's settings to a config file? I'd like to modify that file manually
[12:12] <GeoMint> hi
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> !hi
[12:14] <GeoMint> i want to set my computer when i close the lid to shutdown. but i can not find how to do it in settings editor
[12:15] <cfhowlett> GeoMint, on xubuntu????
[12:15] <GeoMint> yes
[12:18] <GeoMint> i am in settings editor now, in xfce4-power-manager tab
[12:18] <GeoMint> i searched but i didn't found anything
[12:19] <cfhowlett> GeoMint, ask #xfce
[12:19] <GeoMint> ok
[12:22] <GeoMint> cfhowlett, i do think that anyone will answer me
[12:22] <GeoMint> donot*
[12:22] <GeoMint> do not*
[12:23] <cfhowlett> GeoMint, ask their forums.  they ARE the experts on xfce ...
[12:28] <KomiaPoika> hi
[12:29] <KomiaPoika> i installed windows on an old pc's first hd, then xubuntu on the other hd but it didn't leave me a chance to setup grub at install time. now when the pc boots it goes straight into windows. how do i use the install dvd to set up grub on the pc?
[12:29] <cfhowlett> !grub | KomiaPoika, reinstall grub
[12:31] <KomiaPoika> cfhowlett: thanks
[12:31] <cfhowlett> KomiaPoika, happy2help!
[12:35] <KomiaPoika> cfhowlett: is boot-repair available on the 10.04.01 install dvd?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> KomiaPoika, eh ... maybe???
[12:36] <cfhowlett> KomiaPoika, wait, you're running 10.04???
[12:39] <KomiaPoika> xubuntu-14.04.1
[12:39] <KomiaPoika> sorry 14
[12:42] <KomiaPoika> cfhowlett: how can i Install and run Boot-Repair from the xubuntu live dvd boot?
[12:43] <cfhowlett> KomiaPoika, never done boot repair.  I have installed grub ...
[12:44] <KomiaPoika> xubuntu install didn't offer me to install grub at install time :(
[12:45] <cfhowlett> komiapoika understood.  so?  post install works just find.
[12:45] <cfhowlett> *fine*
[12:49] <KomiaPoika> re
[12:58] <GeoMint> hi again
[12:59] <GeoMint> cfhowlett, they helped me change the setting but when i go to restart systemd-logind it says Operation Error
[12:59] <cfhowlett> GeoMint, nothing more??
[13:00] <KomiaPoika> it says Do not use the partition number with the grub-install command. but not doing so it didn't install anything :(
[13:00] <GeoMint> cfhowlett,  Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted
[13:00] <KomiaPoika> oh may be i installed it the wrong partition
[13:00] <cfhowlett> GeoMint, ask in #ubuntu ... more eyes
[13:00] <GeoMint> ohh :/
[13:01] <cfhowlett> ?? yeah, you really do need to check that  :)
[13:01] <GeoMint> i will to ask in 50 different irc :P
[13:01] <GeoMint> will have*
[13:15] <KomiaPoika> grub avoided flexnet a
[13:15] <KomiaPoika> so
[13:15] <KomiaPoika> i didn't
[13:15] <KomiaPoika> i still don't have grub at boot :(
[13:27] <xubuntu914> hello, can anyone help with networking between XuBuntu and Windows please ?
[13:28] <xubuntu914> Samba does not work, crashes... out..
[13:29] <xubuntu914> Any other apps that are better ?
[13:30] <brainwash> !samba
[13:31] <xubuntu914> Thanks. ?? But...
[13:31] <deshipu> xubuntu914: I don't think that Windows supports any sane protocols out of the box
[13:31] <brainwash> you could try to fix your samba issue
[13:32] <xubuntu914> If I was to move all my machies too XuBuntu, what would they use as a network ?
[13:33] <brainwash> !nfs
[13:35] <deshipu> or just scp
[13:35] <deshipu> for transferring files
[13:35] <deshipu> !scp
[13:36] <deshipu> there is also sshfs for more permanent mounts
[13:38] <xubuntu914> OK, Thanks, Wow, lost, but thanks.... Cheers... Thanks you....
[13:39] <brainwash> you can also use any cloud storage service which offers a linux client and allows syncing via local network
[13:41] <xubuntu914> OK, Maybe I should eplain, Old, school, was Windows 2K, with Christmas bonus brought 4 x 3 TiB HDDs, and a stacker (USB and ESats)
[13:42] <xubuntu914> Did no know XP could not deal,
[13:42] <xubuntu914> And lost since....
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !ltsp | xubunt914
[13:43] <xubuntu914> Tried Ubuntu... Never worked with SMB shares....
[13:43] <xubuntu914> Tried KbUntub   ... ditto...
[13:44] <xubuntu914> What is the trick to share from a Xubuntu machine with 12 TiB drives all USB onto Win networks ????
[13:45] <koegs> xubuntu914: long time no see, samba works fine and is reliable
[13:45] <koegs> i am still waiting for the day you will provide some details
[13:46] <xubuntu914> ??  Details ?? me ??
[13:47] <koegs> yes
[13:47] <koegs> everytime you come here, complain about samba not working and everytime i am asking for your config and i get none
[13:48] <xubuntu914> OK, VERY sorry about that... really very sorry...... Please hekp
[13:48] <cfhowlett> xubuntu914, kind of rule here ... no detailz no helpz
[13:50] <koegs> xubuntu914: so for once, please provide your smb.conf
[13:52] <xubuntu914> I do not, truely, underdstand ICP, this is all new to me.....   When you ask for details, .....  Oh, then <cfhowlett>....  FUBAR on this, was looking for hlep and get the ass...  It is impossible to remove items and hiding them causes them to disappear from the whole menu (including subcategories). As an example, how can I remove Ubuntu Software Center from the top-level but keep it in Settings?
[15:49] <jalt> The solution to my previous question regarding customizing the Applications Menu with Menulibre turned out to be simple: use alacarte instead, which worked immediately and intuitively. Can someone point me to a discussion thread that shows the rationale for changing the default menu and menu editor? Because right now it looks like two misses...
[16:24] <m__> hi! i'm newbie, and i have trouble, how to install another theme
[16:24] <m__> my folder: /home/m/.themes, i does have it
[16:25] <m__> on website, they said: Copy the extracted theme directory to ~/.themes , but where is it ?
[16:27] <m__> ....?
[16:32] <m__> in /usr/share/themes/ , Owner is Root and i can't do anything, i can't paste my theme into this
[16:41] <m__> someone help ????
[16:41] <m__> ....
[16:43] <mucus> can't you put it in your user?
[16:44] <m__> how i can ?
[16:45] <m__> my account type is Admin but i can't do anything
[16:45] <m__> ????
[17:09] <_littleb> hi people, is there someone who installed oh-my-zsh on xubuntu?
[17:12] <holstein> _littleb: this person states how to install it.. https://gist.github.com/tsabat/1498393
[17:13] <_littleb> holstein: got it solved, had an issue with one of it's themes
[17:15] <holstein> _littleb: cool!
[17:26] <brainwash> jalt: menulibre is more powerful and stable, it's also actively maintained. so, if you encounter any bugs or missing features, please file a bug report on launchpad
[17:27] <jalt> thanks brainwash. after further research it appears the problem lies fundamentally on the way .desktop files are handled in xfce (and possibly other desktops), and it just happens that alacarte handles them in a more intuitive way for the user
[17:30] <brainwash> I usually just edit desktop files or the menu files manually :)
[17:31] <jalt> yes, that would be my next step, but the .config file hierarchy is messy, and judging by the number of people who reported problems online, not intuitive at all
[17:32] <brainwash> please file a report. it will help to improve menulibre, so it will become the ultimate solution one day
[17:34] <jalt> it's already filed in several bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre
[17:35] <brainwash> I see
[17:36] <jalt> the problem lies in the subpar documentation from freedesktop.org regarding the implementation of .desktop directives, as far as i could tell. in the end it's up to the specific app/desktop env. to decide how to map and categorize things
[17:37] <jalt> from what i could tell, currently the defaults are sourced (read-only), so you can't really edit them in menulibre
[17:37] <jalt> you have to copy them somewhere to your profile and that will somehow override them defaults
[17:37] <jalt> or along those lines
[17:38] <jalt> of course that doesn't solve issues with installing new apps that will have their own .desktop files that may or may not be compatible with the user-designed structure
[17:38] <brainwash> it's messy :/
[17:38] <jalt> yes
[17:38] <jalt> i have been following debian ctte discusiion on that too, kinda wait and see situation
[17:39] <jalt> i like the traditional windows approach where all you have is a normal folder tree with shortcuts :)
[20:17] <SahibDerp> Hello!
[20:18] <drc> hello
[20:18] <SahibDerp> I don't know how, but somehow I am on the internet while installing Xubuntu!
[20:18] <SahibDerp> I think it's because this is actually a Live CD with restrictions!
[20:19] <drc> The LiveDVD/USB has provisions for that, it's normal for Xubuntu to all sucj connections while installing.  It helps if there's a problem while installing.
[20:19] <SahibDerp> But when you are installing, you can only go to the Internet.
[20:20] <drc> I don't understand the problem?
[20:20] <SahibDerp> There's only a limited XFCE environment.
[20:20] <SahibDerp> You can't run debugging tools, or write documents while installing Xubuntu.
[20:21] <SahibDerp> If this installer had a desktop, you could have WAY more fun installing Xubuntu.
[20:21] <SahibDerp> You could download a few games and play those.
[20:22] <drc> If you had done the "preview" Xubuntu, you could wander around the system AND install Xubuntu to your machine.
[20:23] <SahibDerp> The problem is, I am using VMWare Workstation to install Ubuntu, and it's "Easy  Install" feature completely skips the menu, and automates the install process.
[20:23] <drc> You could ahve said that at the start.
[20:23] <SahibDerp> You put your user name and password before hand through the VM creation screen, and then you install it.
[20:24] <SahibDerp> The thing is, there is absolutely NO way to disable this feature
[20:24] <drc> I still don't see what's the problem?
[20:24] <SahibDerp> That means you have to wait for the install process to finish before you can wander around.
[20:24] <drc> It's a VMWare Workstation problem, not a Xubuntu problem.
[20:24] <SahibDerp> But this is the #xubuntu chat channel, and I think you can talk about anything Xubuntu-related.
[20:25] <drc> This channel is a support channel, if you want to chat go to #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:25] <SahibDerp> Oh, thanks for the note
[20:26] <drc> Not a real problem but they like to keep the support separate form the chat :)
[20:36] <SahibDerp> Sorry for channel jumping!
[20:37] <SahibDerp> I installed Xubuntu first-hand, then I installed LXDE over it, but whenever I try to login, even with the right user name and password, it takes me back to the login screen.
[20:38] <drc> Not a problem...lots of folks (well, the hardcore at least) are logged into multiple channels.  The only problem arises when they ask the same question in more than one channel.
[20:38] <SahibDerp> I don't know if this is a Xubuntu problem, or a LXDE problem.
[20:39] <drc> Are you trying to log into Xubuntu or LDXS
[20:39] <drc> LXDE
[20:39] <SahibDerp> Both.
[20:39] <SahibDerp> I tried logging in to the LXDE session, brings me back.
[20:39] <SahibDerp> Logged into the XFCE session, brings me back.
[20:39] <SahibDerp> No matter what, it brings me back.
[20:41] <drc> Try logging into a guest session and see what happens
[20:41] <SahibDerp> gtg bye
[21:29] <jarnos> "exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator" opens xfce4-terminal in my system, but why does not the following work?: exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator --title="top" --command="top"
[21:35] <knome> i don't think exo passes parameters for the terminal
[21:35] <knome> only the command it is supposed to run
[21:36] <knome> "exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator top" will run top
[21:37] <knome> there are other ways to affect the terminal title, even per application, if that's you want, but that's a different story
[21:40] <jarnos> knome, yes, I want to give title to a terminal window. Ideally, I would be able to give title in panel launcher preferences.
[21:40] <knome> not possible with exo. run xfce4-terminal directly
[21:50] <jarnos> knome, shame
[21:57] <knome> jarnos, exo isn't supposed to be an all-around too, it's a tool that is supposed to know the default handler for a file
[21:58] <knome> jarnos, you can obviously even create your own wrapper around exo if you wish... but since you only seem to be trying to achieve one specific thing, i don't know why you don't just run the terminal directly
[22:00] <jarnos> knome, man page of exo-open tells you can give parameters for launchers.
[22:00] <knome> jarnos, it means you can give a list of parameters for exo; you can list several applications or files/urls you want to open
[22:00] <knome> jarnos, not that you can pass parameters for the default handlers
[22:16] <jarnos> knome, I wish you could give title for terminal emulator using exo-open. It is easier to find a window, if it has a special title.
[22:16] <knome> jarnos, i understand, but as i explained, exo isn't the tool to do that
[22:16] <knome> jarnos, you can set xfce4-terminal to catch the title of the running program if you want to do that
[22:16] <jarnos> knome, it could be.
[22:17] <jarnos> knome, IMO should be
[22:18] <jarnos> knome, if it can pass the command to terminal, why couldn't it pass title?
[22:18] <knome> if the user running exo-open is running because he doesn't know which application will open, how does he know which parameters he should pass? - no, it shouldn't.
[22:18] <knome> we'll stop the discussion about that here now
[22:22] <jarnos> knome, and continue to disagree.
[22:59] <rosaecaeruleae> how do I make xubuntu standby, regardeless of the app in sue? vlc for instance
[22:59] <rosaecaeruleae> use
[23:04] <KomiaPoika> hi
[23:07] <knome> hello
[23:09] <elfy> KomiaPoika: best to just get on and ask the question :)
[23:09] <drc> ah, I was wanting to play 20 questions :(
[23:12] <KomiaPoika> so i want to prepare a pc to multiboot windows xp with xubuntu, so i prepared on the boot disk a partition of 512mb dos to put some files on /dev/sdb1 and a secondary hd with 60gigs elsewhere. to put grub should i type grub-install --boot-directory=/boot /dev/sdb ?
[23:13] <KomiaPoika> xubuntu's /boot is on /dev/sdb2
[23:16]  * KomiaPoika gazes
[23:18] <elfy> sounds a bit convoluted to me to be frank
[23:18] <elfy> back when I did dual boot - I just installed and let grub deal with booting win2k - worked fine
[23:19] <elfy> why have you got /boot seperate ?
[23:19] <KomiaPoika> it didn't work in a simpler way cos windows would delete grub and grub would not install itself over windows xp's mbr because of a bug windows putting some file in the worng sector range
[23:20] <KomiaPoika> so windows won't nuke the whole install if it overwrites linux's /boot
[23:20] <drc> KomiaPoika: You install win first then Linux
[23:20] <deshipu> windows will nuke it anyways
[23:20] <KomiaPoika> tried that didn't work because one of the hd's is ata and only linux sees it
[23:21] <KomiaPoika> i will reinstall grub from the install dvd afterwards but i need to know first if this syntax is correct
[23:21] <KomiaPoika> grub-install --boot-directory=/boot /dev/sdb
[23:21] <KomiaPoika> with /boot on /dev/sdb2
[23:21] <KomiaPoika> is that correct?
[23:21] <KomiaPoika> cos i read in the faq you shouldn't put the partition number
[23:23] <elfy> that's correct
[23:23] <elfy> ish
[23:24] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[23:24] <elfy> have a look there
[23:26] <KomiaPoika> oh great
[23:27] <KomiaPoika> i didn't even install grub and grub is screwed from my partitioning after first reboot
[23:27] <KomiaPoika> grub rescue>
[23:27] <KomiaPoika> ...
[23:31] <elfy> go with the same link - Fixing a Broken System > via the LiveCD terminal
[23:33] <KomiaPoika> yes i had that exact same link and know these commands off the top of my head now
[23:36] <elfy> try installing grub to the partition then - I do that for temp installs - you can I think edit the win boot to include linux
[23:36] <elfy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/62440/is-it-possible-to-boot-ubuntu-using-the-windows-bootloader
[23:38] <elfy> it's going to be google fu I think - but it is possible
[23:38] <elfy> or if no-one shouts out in here you could try #ubuntu
[23:42] <KomiaPoika> i'm trying to multiboot windows xp so forget about the windows bootloader
[23:43] <elfy> mmm
[23:44] <elfy> doesn't matter how you multiboot surely?
[23:44] <elfy> just so long as you can
[23:54] <KomiaPoika> yes
[23:57] <KomiaPoika> i have to reinstall the whole thing again
[23:58] <KomiaPoika> grub didn't fix it
[23:59] <KomiaPoika> i'm sick of it
[23:59] <KomiaPoika> i will install linux only on that box


[04:33] <tjaalton> RAOF: so i broke the mir egl patch?
[04:35] <tjaalton> haven't touched it since 12.0.1, and that was a simple rebase
[04:50] <tjaalton> oh and is there hope to see it upstream during the next cycle?-)
[04:58] <RAOF> tjaalton: Yeah, the code in dri2_egl_initialize changed around the patch, so the patch became incorrect.
[04:59] <RAOF> tjaalton: Cross fingers, upstream. That requires that we finish MirRenderSurface, though, because that is a fundamental change.
[05:04] <RAOF> I wonder if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1620934 is the same bug?
[05:11] <tjaalton> RAOF: could be
[05:26] <tjaalton> actually probably not
[05:26] <tjaalton> I think that's due to de695014eb6c819
[05:27] <tjaalton> the crash is from e82567c02b3796c
[05:31] <RAOF> I'm not sure that it is?
[05:32] <tjaalton> +      return _eglError(EGL_BAD_MATCH, "eglMakeCurrent");
[05:32] <RAOF> eglMakeCurrent seems to be failing with 0x3001, which is EGL_NOT_INITIALIZED.
[05:32] <tjaalton> ah
[05:33] <RAOF> EGL_BAD_MATCH would be 3009
[05:33] <tjaalton> ok
[05:34] <RAOF> Oh!
[05:34] <RAOF> Yes, the fix *is* likely to fix that.
[05:34] <RAOF> Because what was going wrong is that we fail to initialise the dri2_dpy ref_count to 1 in eglInitialize.
[05:35] <RAOF> So when you do something that would decrement that refcount - like make a different context current - we destroy the display.
[05:35] <RAOF> Which would likely result in EGL_NOT_INITIALIZED.
[05:42] <tjaalton> oh I see what needs changing
[05:43] <RAOF> Yup.
[05:43] <RAOF> Would you like me to test that it fixes both bugs before pushing it, or just push it now? :)
[05:43] <RAOF> break; rather than return.
[05:43] <RAOF> And also remove the superfluous TestOnly check.
[05:44] <tjaalton> I'm fine with whatever
[05:44] <tjaalton> push to git, I'll merge 12.0.3 too and add a patch for llvm-3.9
[05:44] <RAOF> OK. I'll push now then.
[05:44] <tjaalton> then poke doko that we're good
[05:45] <tjaalton> to switch
[05:55] <RAOF> tjaalton: Now pushed to git. Enjoy!
[05:55] <tjaalton> RAOF: great, thanks
[07:05] <tjaalton> hmm, I'll drop the llvm migration from this upload.. it needs further work elsewhere