[09:04] <Cimi> mzanetti, ciao :) can you help me better today?
[09:18] <mzanetti> Cimi: hi
[09:18] <mzanetti> if you tell me what the bug is which you need to find
[09:32] <Cimi> mzanetti, I simply want to be able to run system-settings-wizard
[09:32] <Cimi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7152872/
[09:34] <mzanetti> Cimi: ok... will try to run it
[09:42] <Cimi> Saviq, help me remembering where was unity8 before
[09:42] <Cimi> before we put in lp:unity8
[09:42] <Saviq> Cimi, lp:unity/8.0
[09:43] <Cimi> Saviq, I was reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/new-backgrounds/+merge/212723
[09:44] <Cimi> Saviq, and stopped at "who added this rectangle mterry is removing and why"
[09:45] <Saviq> Cimi, that was the design back then
[09:45] <Cimi> Saviq, it was darkened?
[09:45] <Saviq> Cimi, yes
[09:45] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[09:46] <Saviq> Cimi, but let me see if I can find out more
[09:46] <Cimi> Saviq, it's not in unity(8.0
[09:46] <Cimi> Saviq, previous branch
[09:46] <Cimi> manhattan?
[09:46] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah
[09:48] <Saviq> Cimi, actually lp:~unity-team/unity/phablet
[09:49] <Cimi> Saviq, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet/revision/404.4.9
[09:50] <Saviq> Cimi, as you can see that's just a move from greeter to greetercontent
[09:50] <Saviq> Cimi, it was already there in greeter.qml
[09:51] <Cimi> ah
[09:52] <Cimi> Saviq, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet/revision/110.1.1
[09:52] <Cimi> florian my friend :)
[09:55] <Cimi> Saviq, that wallpaper seems low res
[09:56] <Cimi> Saviq, phone is 480x853
[09:56] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, too small
[09:56] <Cimi> tablet 1200x800
[09:57] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, should be bigger
[09:57] <Saviq> Cimi, that's what we got from Jouni
[09:59] <Cimi> mzanetti, any luck?
[09:59] <mzanetti> Cimi: not yet
[10:01] <Cimi> Saviq, you know how to run an app on phone from the shell
[10:02] <Cimi> ?
[10:02] <Saviq> Cimi, it was here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet/revision/111
[10:03] <Saviq> Cimi, so yeah, just a design thing
[10:03] <Saviq> Cimi, add --desktop_file_hint
[10:03] <Saviq> and point to a .desktop file
[10:03] <Cimi> Saviq, I don't have a desktop file
[10:03] <Cimi> Saviq, it's just a binary
[10:03] <Saviq> Cimi, so it's not an app
[10:03] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm trying to run system-settings-wizard
[10:04] <Saviq> Cimi, you need a destop file
[10:04] <Cimi> without upsart
[10:04] <Cimi> ok
[10:04] <Saviq> Cimi, but you can use any
[10:04] <Saviq> Cimi, just point at one in /usr/share/applications
[10:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: Cimi: its not about the desktop file
[10:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: its system-settings-wizard
[10:04] <mzanetti> which crashes when ran as client
[10:05] <Cimi> mzanetti, can I ran it as root?
[10:05] <mzanetti> Cimi: is that crash the thing you want to debug?
[10:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, Cimi, inictl get-env --global MIR_SOCKET
[10:05] <Cimi> mzanetti, not really
[10:05] <Saviq> Cimi, export MIR_SOCKET to contain ↑
[10:06] <mzanetti>  /run/user/32011/mir_socket
[10:06] <Saviq> yup
[10:06] <Saviq> that's the client socket, otherwise it'll try to connect to u-s-c
[10:07] <Cimi> it's not enough
[10:07] <Cimi> doesn't run both as user or root
[10:07] <Cimi> as user phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ system-settings-wizard
[10:07] <Cimi> QUbuntu: Could not create application instance
[10:07] <Cimi> Aborted (core dumped)
[10:07] <Saviq> Cimi, desktop file hint is needed, too
[10:07] <Cimi> ok
[10:08] <mzanetti> Cimi: ok. got a step further.
[10:08] <mzanetti> still crashes throwing some google exception
[10:08] <Cimi> indeed
[10:08] <Cimi> mzanetti, same of here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7152872/
[10:08] <mzanetti> yeah
[10:08] <Cimi> Saviq, ^
[10:08] <mzanetti> seems it tries to connect to some database
[10:09] <Cimi> spyware!
[10:09] <mzanetti> Cimi: maybe you should report bugs for this. seems a uncatched exception which shouldn't make it crash
[10:09] <mzanetti> but I don't know what this is supposed to do
[10:10] <mzanetti> I think I've never seen this application so far
[10:10] <Cimi> mzanetti, https://code.google.com/p/protobuf/issues/detail?id=370
[10:11] <Saviq> DON"T RUN AS ROOT
[10:11] <Saviq> dudes :P
[10:11] <mzanetti> I'm not
[10:11] <Saviq> I know, just a generic shout-out ;)
[10:12] <mzanetti> still: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7155891
[10:12] <Cimi> mzanetti, works for me now
[10:12] <mzanetti> not really sure why we're using a search engine to open a shared lib :D
[10:12] <Cimi> \o/
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, to find the lib
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, ;)
[10:13] <mzanetti> hah. guess so
[10:13] <mzanetti> :D
[10:14] <Cimi> MIR_SOCKET=/run/user/32011/mir_socket system-settings-wizard --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop
[10:14] <Cimi> mzanetti, try that as user
[10:14] <Cimi> su - phablet
[10:14] <Cimi> works for me
[10:14] <mzanetti> I am... but I guess I've exported a bit too much stuff trying
[10:14] <mzanetti> but if it works for you...
[10:14] <Cimi> Saviq, thanks boss
[10:15] <sil2100> Saviq: hello!
[10:15] <Cimi> mzanetti, thanks!
[10:15] <mzanetti> Cimi: just doing that it still fails to find Unity.Application here
[10:15] <Cimi> mzanetti, QML2_IMPORT_PATH=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/imports/Unity-Mir/ ?
[10:15] <mzanetti> then I get the crash again
[10:15] <Cimi> QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntumirclient ?
[10:16]  * Cimi reboots
[10:16] <Cimi> the phone
[10:16] <mzanetti> that should be default as user
[10:18] <Saviq> Cimi, mzanetti yeah, that QML2_IMPORT_PATH is only in upstart
[10:18] <mzanetti> yeah, that's not a problem. can export it myself. still stuck at the uncaught exception
[10:18] <mzanetti> but I'm not the one that needs to run it...
[10:20] <sil2100> Saviq: so, we noticed a new failure in smoketesting in unity8, which I guess might be related to the earlier crasher that we already seen yesterday - it also has a unity8 crash there
[10:20] <Saviq> sil2100, I'll have a look
[10:21] <Saviq> sil2100, we have a few crashes on our radars, although most of them - yes, you guessed - not reproducible :|
[10:21] <sil2100> Saviq: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-touch-mako-smoke-daily/185/testReport/junit/unity8.shell.tests.test_emulators/DashAppsEmulatorTestCase/test_open_preview_Native_Device_/ <- here's the failing test, the crasher can be found on smoketesting of latest image (as we re-ran the image)
[10:21] <sil2100> Saviq: yeah...
[10:22] <Saviq> sil2100, hum, that should have been fixed
[10:22] <Saviq> sil2100, that failure I mean
[10:22] <Cimi> dednick, ping
[10:22] <dednick> Cimi: yo
[10:22] <Saviq> sil2100, it's a flaky test, apparently not fixed completely yet :|
[10:23] <Cimi> dednick, when I run system-settings-wizard with the upstart job at login, I don't get wifi
[10:23] <Cimi> dednick, can it be because unity8 is not run?
[10:24] <sil2100> Saviq: oh, well
[10:24] <sil2100> Saviq: at least we know it's test flakyness :)
[10:25] <dednick> Cimi: i have no idea. What do you mean by "no wifi"?
[10:25] <Cimi> dednick, my wifi page of the wizard is empty
[10:25] <Cimi> dednick, empty list
[10:27] <sil2100> There's also something else we found ;|
[10:27] <sil2100> Saviq: it's also something for mhr3 I guess: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1297770
[10:27] <dednick> Cimi: and happy bday btw!
[10:28] <Cimi> dednick, thx :D
[10:28] <sil2100> Saviq: it seems the new scopes have some buggies
[10:28] <Saviq> sil2100, that's kind of expected
[10:28] <dednick> Cimi: could be because unity8 not there yet. unity8 starts indicators
[10:29] <Saviq> sil2100, although we'd rather not touch the header at all... there's a completely new header coming...
[10:29] <Cimi> dednick, that was my guess
[10:29] <dednick> Cimi: "initctl emit indicator-services-start"
[10:29] <tsdgeos> sil2100: "goes seems"?
[10:29] <Cimi> dednick, can I create a startup job for that?
[10:29] <sil2100> Saviq: oh, ok, could you or mhr3 (if he appears) comment on the bug
[10:30] <sil2100> tsdgeos: davmor2 filled in the bug, please ask him what that means ;p
[10:30] <dednick> Cimi: not sure what the best way is. In unity8 it's built into the indicator manager
[10:30] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ah, actually, it's correct
[10:30] <tsdgeos> sil2100: can you explain it to me then ?
[10:30] <sil2100> tsdgeos: scroll down till the header goes [away] seems to lock the scope
[10:30] <dednick> Cimi: although i'm not really sure why it's not just in the upstart job
[10:30] <tsdgeos> sil2100: i see
[10:31] <sil2100> tsdgeos: it means, if you scroll down until the header goes away it locks the scope in place
[10:31] <dednick> Cimi: tedg put the code in to start the indicators
[10:31] <Saviq> sil2100, mhr3 is away until Monday
[10:32] <tsdgeos> man uitk takes ages to compile on the phone
[10:32] <tsdgeos> with all those billions of tests
[10:33] <Cimi> seb128, ciao!
[10:34] <seb128> Cimi, hey
[10:34] <Cimi> seb128, I'm adding wifi page
[10:34] <seb128> cool
[10:34] <Cimi> seb128, however, so far I think we need indicators to provide wifi
[10:34] <seb128> they do?
[10:34] <Cimi> seb128, because I cannot see the wifi list at the wizard, since it runs before unity
[10:35] <Cimi> well I thinkl
[10:35] <seb128> oh, just make the wizard start the indicator I guess
[10:35] <seb128> it's all upstart job controlled
[10:35] <seb128> you can tweak the jobs
[10:36] <Cimi> seb128, how can I do this?
[10:36] <Cimi> seb128, I added initctl start indicator-services-start in the pre script of wizard
[10:36] <Cimi> but still the wifi page seems empty
[10:36] <seb128> is the indicator service running?
[10:36] <Cimi> maybe it wasn't the right way
[10:36] <Cimi> seems so
[10:37] <seb128> k, so the issue is not the indicator not running, maybe it's your code?
[10:37] <seb128> is your code working if you run the wizard on a fully booted unity8 session
[10:37] <Cimi> seb128, works after unity run
[10:37] <seb128> hum
[10:37] <anpok_> hm the slide gesture to get to the session - is that part implemented by the greeter or usc?
[10:37] <seb128> can you check on dbus if the indicator provides the info you need?
[10:37] <Saviq> anpok_, right now greeter is part of unity8
[10:38] <Cimi> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.wifi/+merge/212675
[10:38] <Saviq> anpok_, it will only get separated when https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/split/+merge/210664 happens
[10:38] <Cimi> seb128, erm... some help with that? never played with dbus before
[10:39] <mzanetti> Cimi: qdbus
[10:39] <mzanetti> its easy. just append whatever you want to see to the command :D
[10:41] <seb128> Cimi, look at the PageComponent of the wifi plugin to get the busname/objectpath/etc
[10:42] <seb128> Cimi, you might want to check with ted when he gets online, he wrote that settings page
[10:46] <Cimi> seb128, I have my own one now
[10:46] <seb128> why?
[10:47] <seb128> well, anyway I was just pointed it as a reference for the bus name and object path, so you can figure out the arguments for qdbus/gdbus debugging
[10:47] <seb128> but if you wrote your own you probably know what you are using
[10:48] <Cimi> seb128, well some part is similar
[10:49] <Cimi> seb128, but I needed to remove some parts of it
[10:49] <Cimi> seb128, I only need the wifi list, not switches or cellular data
[10:49] <Cimi> seb128, can I tweak the upstart job of wizard to run after unity?
[10:49] <seb128> you sure can
[10:50] <Cimi> how? :)
[10:50] <seb128> change the start events?
[10:50] <anpok_> Saviq: I am digging there, i wanted to check why the first one or two frames of the greeter are transparent..
[10:50] <seb128> I'm not the best person to ask about what upstart events unity8 sends
[10:51] <Saviq> anpok_, because they're not composited
[10:51] <Saviq> anpok_, bug #1233564
[10:51] <Saviq> anpok_, basically, rendering stops with the screen, but greeter never had time to get on screen
[10:53] <anpok_> Saviq: but thats a new greeter session of the split greeter
[10:53] <anpok_> or greeter instance
[10:53] <Saviq> anpok_, same applies as far as I can tell
[10:53] <Saviq> anpok_, u-s-c stops compositing, 'cause the screen is off, so neither client (greeter or shell) can submit new frames
[10:55] <anpok_> with the split greeter and the spinning dots we see those first after powering on
[10:55] <anpok_> then greeter mir session has buffers, and we show those..
[10:55] <anpok_> and the unity8 session is in the scene underneath.
[10:57] <anpok_> i first thought we have issues like, hiding / raisin / showing not being atomic
[11:01] <anpok_> but the first frame we draw, contains both surfaces of sessions with buffers... the greeter has three buffers... and the first is transparent
[11:01] <Saviq> anpok_, ah, might that be Qt/QML startup?
[11:02] <anpok_> i think so
[11:02] <anpok_> wanted to make a test with a pure mir client without qt involved
[11:02] <anpok_> but I cannot slide away basic_server with egl plasma :)
[11:33] <MacSlow> mzanetti, I need to get back on LP #1296777 so need to reflash my N4... do you need more testing atm?
[11:34] <mzanetti> MacSlow: dunno. in the end I need a "good to go". How much testing that requires is up to the reviewer
[11:37] <MacSlow> mzanetti, if the issue found yesterday are addressed I'll gladly re-review it
[11:37] <mzanetti> MacSlow: you had 2 issues: one is fixed, the other is something I can't really fix in here
[11:38] <mzanetti> MacSlow: but that one is happening in the current image too and will be addressed with Daniels and my next task
[11:38] <MacSlow> mzanetti, the "gap on the left" was the one outside of that branch's scope?
[11:38] <mzanetti> no, the gap on the left is fixed
[11:38] <mzanetti> the missing surfaces if an app fails to start
[11:39] <MacSlow> mzanetti, ok that way round
[11:39] <mzanetti> I've added a more detailed description to the merge propsal
[11:41] <MacSlow> mzanetti, so I can just pull from the same PPA again now
[11:41] <MacSlow> mzanetti, or did it not land there yet after the fix was pushed?
[11:41] <mzanetti> MacSlow: hmm, I'm not exactly sure. Jenkins says it built fine, the ppa shows some issues. I'm currently investigating in that
[11:42] <MacSlow> ok
[11:42] <mzanetti> didrocks: ping
[11:42] <didrocks> mzanetti: pong
[11:43] <mzanetti> hey, I've added a new branch to a silo after it was built already and hit the rebuild button
[11:43] <mzanetti> it seems to build fine on jenkins, but the new package (qtubuntu) doesn't show up in the ppa
[11:43] <mzanetti> what mistake did I make?
[11:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, did you reconfigure?
[11:44] <mzanetti> ah
[11:44] <mzanetti> that's probably it
[11:44] <didrocks> yeah, that's it
[11:44] <mzanetti> ok, thanks
[11:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, if you add/remove MPs/sources, you need to reconfigure
[11:44] <didrocks> yw :)
[11:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, and if you add a new component, you need to ask the landing team to reconfigure
[11:45] <mzanetti> oh... so in this case I can't even reconfig myself?
[11:45] <mzanetti> yes, I added a new branch that changes qtubuntu
[11:45] <MacSlow> mzanetti, didrocks: if that reconfigure is triggered... now long until it'll be available in the PPA then?
[11:45] <mzanetti> MacSlow: 20 -30 mins usually
[11:45] <MacSlow> ah ok thx
[11:46] <didrocks> mzanetti: yeah, there are cases when adding MPs eventually doesn't target same branch
[11:46] <didrocks> so we need the user to be aware of that
[11:46] <didrocks> soon, it will just be a "build" button to retrigger
[11:47] <mzanetti> do I need to fill in all branches myself when reconfiguring?
[11:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes
[11:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, copy/paste from the CI Train spreadsheet
[11:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, and strip the leading and trailing quote
[11:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, also make sure to copy the 'additional sources' if there are any
[11:49] <mzanetti> ack
[11:50] <mzanetti> Saviq: additional sources?
[11:51] <mzanetti> so the ones that are not unity8, unity-mir or unity-api?
[11:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean those that are uploaded directly to the ppa (if any)
[11:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's a separate column / field in the spreadsheet for those
[11:51] <mzanetti> ok, yeah. don't think I have any
[11:52] <mzanetti> didrocks: yeah, can't configure this myself. can you pleasE?
[11:52] <mzanetti> silo 15
[11:52] <didrocks> mzanetti: ah, you have a new component
[11:52] <mzanetti> here's the log: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-015-0-reconfigure/6/console
[11:53] <mzanetti> yep, qtubuntu
[11:53] <didrocks> as you already have an override, I'm redoing the same override option, knowing that you won't land/rebuild those once the rest landed
[11:55] <didrocks> mzanetti: done, you can rebuild what you need to rebuild
[11:55] <mzanetti> awesome, thanks didrocks
[11:55] <didrocks> yw ;)
[12:05] <Saviq> didrocks, you've got mail, we might need to back out from the suru switch for some fixes
[12:07] <didrocks> Saviq: making sense seeing the number of fixes needed from the reading, thanks for the update.
[12:13] <Saviq> didrocks, so in case UITK want a silo, we should probably let them
[12:13] <didrocks> Saviq: agreed, feel free to "m&c" with "only free silo"
[12:36] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you know what's wrong here? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-015/+packages
[12:37] <mzanetti> i.e. why are there 2 amd64 build, one failing?
[12:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, arm, not amd
[12:37] <mzanetti> oh
[12:37] <mzanetti> stoopid me
[12:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, and it's failing 'cause we don't have those arches bootstrapped proper yet
[12:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, so it's fine
[12:38] <mzanetti> ah ok
[12:54] <Saviq> biab
[13:13] <dandrader> dednick, are you done updating https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicators.hint-interval/+merge/202104 ?
[13:32] <Cimi> ciao tedg ! when you finished with coffee mails and such, ping me :)
[13:34] <tedg> Cimi, Fighting e-mail this morning, what's up?
[13:34] <Cimi> tedg, welcome wizard
[13:35] <tedg> Cimi, Thank you, but I've been here all along.
[13:35] <Cimi> tedg, I don't have wifi list at first boot, I believe it's dbus and indicators
[13:35] <Cimi> ahahahah
[13:35] <tedg> Cimi, You mean on the greeter?
[13:35] <Cimi> tedg, yup
[13:35] <tedg> Cimi, Yeah, have a patch for that already.
[13:35] <Cimi> welcome-wizard
[13:35] <tedg> Actually fixed it yesterday :-)
[13:35] <Cimi> tedg, ?
[13:35] <Cimi> I mean
[13:36] <tedg> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-application/startup-cleanup/+merge/212726
[13:36] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.wifi/+merge/212675
[13:36] <tedg> Oh, not on the greeter, but in system settings?
[13:38] <seb128> tedg, it's the UI you get on the first phone boot
[13:38] <seb128> tedg, oobe or whatever they call it
[13:38] <tedg> Ah, I see.
[13:38] <Cimi> tedg, and me that I thought you were super smart when I said welcome wizard :)
[13:38] <seb128> lol
[13:38] <tedg> Cimi, I thought you were talking about me ;-)
[13:39] <Cimi> ahah
[13:39] <seb128> I found the joke funny, for the record: p
[13:39] <Cimi> me too
[13:39] <Cimi> shame it wasn't a joke :D
[13:39] <tedg> So are you getting the menu model from indicator-network?
[13:39] <tedg> Does the welcome-wizard run in the user session?
[13:39] <tedg> Sorry, I don't know much about it.
[13:40] <seb128> tedg, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/welcome-wizard/+merge/186862
[13:40] <tedg> Wait, it probably needs to be in the greeter session…
[13:41] <seb128> tedg, it's an user job atm, but mterry wrote that it should change once the split greeter lands
[13:41] <seb128> tedg, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/wizard/ubuntu-system-settings-wizard.conf is the job
[13:42] <Cimi> dednick, where is menuSelected
[13:42] <Cimi> and menuDeselected ?
[13:42] <Cimi> found
[13:43] <Cimi> grepping bglobally :)
[13:45]  * tedg is reading
[13:46] <Cimi> tedg, what is "unity.widgets.systemsettings.tablet.wifisection"  ?
[13:48] <tedg> Cimi, QML magic, it's the UI of the item.
[13:48] <tedg> Cimi, Did you guys ever make the QML menuitem base library?
[13:48] <tedg> i.e. libido for QML
[13:48] <Cimi> tedg, ui of the item?
[13:48] <Cimi> which item?
[13:48] <Cimi> was my question
[13:49] <Cimi> tedg, access point is the listitem with the access point
[13:49] <tedg> I believe that's the individual AP item.
[13:49] <Cimi> but what is that one?
[13:49] <Cimi> tedg, I think it's
[13:49] <Cimi> "unity.widgets.systemsettings.tablet.accesspoint"
[13:49] <Cimi> dednick, ^
[13:49] <tedg> Cimi, Just FYI, Wellark is rewriting indicator-network, so things may change slightly.
[13:50] <Cimi> I'm removing it then
[13:59] <tedg> Cimi, I'm guessing the upstart job needs to be restructured slightly.
[13:59] <tedg> Or we need to restructure startup globally.
[13:59] <tedg> Because you're starting before xsession, we're getting that over unity8, which starts the indicators.
[14:00] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ok
[14:00] <tedg> Generally it's considered bad form to start tasks in pre-start
[14:00] <dpm> pstolowski, does the Author key in a scope's .ini file has any particular syntax, or will it accept any string? I.e. would it accept "User Name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:00] <tedg> But for a quick work around you could signal the indicators to start right after your maliit start.
[14:01] <Cimi> tedg, that's the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.wifi/+merge/212675 :)
[14:01] <Cimi> you can push if u like
[14:02] <Saviq> sil2100, the .crash in smoke is unfortunately does not retrace
[14:10] <tedg> Cimi, Try that
[14:21] <Cimi> tedg, works
[14:21] <tedg> Cimi, \o/ Woot!
[14:21] <Cimi> but I have issues switching wifi
[14:21] <Cimi> I guess might be my stuff
[14:31] <dednick> Cimi: all the menu items for indicators are in ubuntu-settings-components now, along with the access point
[14:32] <Cimi> dednick, you know what "unity.widgets.systemsettings.tablet.wifisection" is?
[14:33] <dednick> Cimi: it's a section header
[14:33] <Cimi> dednick, example?
[14:33] <Cimi> dednick, where is it used in wifi?
[14:33] <dednick> Cimi: it's not used anymore
[14:34] <Cimi> dednick, ok, because it is present in wifi system settings
[14:34] <dednick> Cimi: it was used in the old chewie server
[14:34] <Cimi> ok thx
[14:35] <dednick> Cimi: it's just a "possible" item that can be used. Those strings are just menu item types
[14:35] <Cimi> dednick, yes
[14:35] <Cimi> dednick, but since it was in the wifi in system settings
[14:35] <Cimi> dednick, I was wondering what it was
[14:36] <Cimi> dednick, it even has signals connected
[14:36] <dednick> Cimi: but it's never created.
[14:43] <pstolowski> dpm, any string will do
[14:44] <dpm> ok, thanks
[14:44] <mzanetti> Saviq: so... seems people are happy with the right edge branches. can we start getting serious about landing it?
[14:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, sure
[14:45] <mzanetti> \o/
[14:45]  * mzanetti excited
[14:45] <Cimi> dednick, I want to print debug of the network I'm trying to connect to
[14:45] <Cimi> dednick, this code https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.wifi/+merge/212675
[14:46] <Cimi> dednick, on model: QMenuModel.UnityMenuModel {
[14:46] <Cimi> dednick, something like
[14:46] <Cimi> onActivated
[14:46] <Cimi> I have an index
[14:47] <Cimi> I want to see which index is the right one
[14:47] <Cimi> dednick, I believe the index I have from the sortfilterproxymodel is not the index of this unity menu model
[14:48] <dednick> Cimi: you need to convert the index to the source index. I sent you the code yesterday
[14:49] <Cimi> dednick, got link? :)
[14:51] <Cimi> dednick, I don't think you gave me that
[14:51] <dednick> Cimi: no, i did. something like "property int modelIndex: menuModel.mapRowToSource(index)"
[14:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's one errors.u.c report that we suspect might be coming from the right edge silo:
[14:52] <Saviq> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/85c403c4a05cd32a48a73b226340850faa45e785
[14:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, did you see that maybe?
[14:53] <mzanetti> I think MacSlow saw it, but we weren't able to determine what it was
[14:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's qmlscene crashing, not sure if your changes to qtubuntu could have any bearing?
[14:53] <dednick> Cimi: and if all the items are going to be access points, there's no point in using a loader.
[14:53] <mzanetti> Saviq: ah, no
[14:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: I just dropped the SF applicationManager
[14:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: didn't touch any still existing line of code
[14:54] <Cimi> dednick, yeah
[14:55] <MacSlow> Saviq, I only had the camera-app crashing today when I did the second run through the test-plan for the 015 PPA/right-edge
[14:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: qtubuntu's ApplicationManager wasn't compiling with the unity-api changes. hence the removal.
[14:55] <mzanetti> does camera app actually use qmlscene? iirc that had its own binary
[14:56] <mzanetti> Saviq: ah... hmm... I'm currently reviewing a branch in reminders app and have been able to reliably crash the Online Accounts Manager
[14:56] <mzanetti> that might be it too
[14:56] <mzanetti> doing that while dogfooding the right edge of course
[14:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, qmlscene is really just a QQuickView, and it's crashing in qtubuntu anyway
[14:59] <Cimi> dednick, mapRowToSource is not a function
[14:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, we didn't get the right edge changes in the hands of sales folk, did we
[14:59] <Cimi> dednick, where is doc for that?
[14:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, let me try and get that to happen
[14:59] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok, thanks
[14:59] <dednick> Cimi: it's in qsortfilterproxymodelqml
[15:00] <Saviq> will kick a rebuild of everything in the silo in the mean time
[15:00] <Cimi> dednick, ok
[15:03] <mhall119> mhr3: ping
[15:05] <Saviq> mhall119, he's off until Monday
[15:11] <mhall119> Saviq: are the scopes API docs on http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/unity-scopes/ the most up to date?
[15:11] <mhall119> I noticed the Tutorials are gone
[15:15] <Cimi> dednick, can I have a quick review for now?
[15:15] <Cimi> dednick, I have some bugs, but it's getting there
[15:15] <dednick> Cimi: sure
[15:15] <Cimi> just for the 20-wifi.qml page
[15:17] <tsdgeos> ouch the delegaterange thing is not working :S
[15:18] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7157212/ create them all and then delete when the range kicks in :-/
[15:21] <sil2100> Saviq: :(
[15:22] <akiva-thinkpad> is there any way yet to run unity8 as the desktop?
[15:22] <akiva-thinkpad> I am just a bit confused here with the naming scheme.
[15:24] <Cimi> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/new-backgrounds/+merge/212723/comments/503190
[15:25] <Cimi> I remember this memory consumption thing, was fgor maguro
[15:26] <mterry> Cimi, makes sense
[15:26] <Cimi> mterry, well, not having full res wallpapers sounds stupid to me
[15:26] <mterry> :)
[15:29] <sil2100> Saviq: what about that flaky test? You thing that can be dealt with? And is that unrelated to the unity8 crash?
[15:46] <mhall119> Saviq: what should I call this version of the scopes API?
[15:46] <mhall119> ubuntu-14.04 seems wrong, since it's not going to be on the 14.04 desktop
[15:47] <mhall119> unity-8 perhaps?
[15:52] <dednick> dandrader: hey. how did you get that weird char? I cant seem to fix it...
[15:55] <dednick> dandrader: nevermind. i see it in the downloaded text changes. although i cant seem to remove it in editor :(
[15:59] <Saviq> mhall119, we have a whole next week (scopes sprint) to find a name, can we do it then? ;D
[15:59] <Saviq> scopes-ng ;)
[15:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: the test seems pretty robust here :-/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/7157493/
[15:59] <tsdgeos> still ogin
[15:59] <tsdgeos> going
[16:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, let's run with that and see if it happens anywhere else again
[16:01] <Cimi> dednick, I updated the branch
[16:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: that test failure is actually on a phone, right?
[16:01] <Cimi> dednick, but when I connect to new wifi, the old wifi still is checked
[16:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[16:01] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:01] <Cimi> dednick, like menuData && menuData.isToggled is true
[16:05] <dednick> dandrader: I have no idea where that character is coming from. I can't remove it...
[16:06] <dandrader> dednick, call and exorcist
[16:06] <dednick> dandrader: heh. yeah. I deleted the whole copywrite section and it was still there...
[16:06] <dandrader> dednick, maybe try a different editor...
[16:07]  * dandrader tries
[16:07] <dednick> dandrader: i've tried 3
[16:08] <dednick> it never even shows...
[16:09] <dandrader> dednick, http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/FEFF/index.htm
[16:10] <dednick> dandrader:  :/
[16:12] <dandrader> dednick, Ha! was able to delete it with ghex!
[16:15] <dednick> dandrader: weird. it's showing up as bbef on hexdump
[16:16] <dandrader> it's 3 bytes long: EF BB BF
[16:16] <dednick> yeah. i see that now
[16:17] <dednick> friggin weird
[16:17] <dednick> dandrader: ok, should be fixed now.
[16:18] <dednick> hopefully that's the only file i've added weird characters to...
[16:18] <Cimi> dednick, any idea?
[16:18] <Cimi> why menuData && menuData.isToggled is true
[16:19] <dednick> Cimi: nope. you running on desktop?
[16:20] <Cimi> dednick, phone
[16:20] <Cimi> dednick, they all remain active
[16:21] <Cimi> dednick, menudata comes from the proxymodel
[16:24] <dednick> Cimi: put in a onExtendedDataChanged handler in there and see if it's changing when you select an access point.
[16:24] <dednick> Cimi: nevermind, that wont work
[16:25] <dednick> Cimi: try changing all you menuData.blah -> model.blah
[16:26] <dednick> Cimi: and get rid of the them menuData property
[16:26] <Cimi> ok
[16:27] <dednick> Cimi: can just be "text: model.label", "enabled: model.sensitive", etc
[16:27] <Saviq> gtg, o/
[16:29] <Cimi> dednick, nope
[16:29] <Cimi> still same thing
[16:29] <Cimi> code simplified but same
[16:31] <dednick> Cimi: hm. can you try running the indicator-client app on the phone using the "indicators-client -profile phone_wifi_settings"
[16:31] <dednick> Cimi: to see if the toggle is changing server side
[16:32] <Cimi> dednick, which command?
[16:32] <dednick> Cimi:  "indicators-client -profile phone_wifi_settings
[16:32] <Cimi> dednick, it changed
[16:32] <Cimi> dednick, or it doesn't exist
[16:32] <Cimi> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ indicators-client --help
[16:32] <Cimi> Usage: executable [--form_factor_hint={desktop, phone, tablet}] [--stage_hint={main_stage, side_stage, share_stage}] [--desktop_file_hint=absolute_path_to_desktop_file]
[16:33] <dednick> Cimi: eh?
[16:35] <dednick> Cimi: can you run it fro trunk unity8 source tree ?
[16:35] <dednick> i have no idea where that help is coming from
[16:35] <dednick> although you might need to borrow another apps desktop_file_hint
[16:39] <Cimi> dednick, hey
[16:39] <Cimi> dednick, it conflicts with the indicatorts
[16:39] <Cimi> indicators
[16:39] <Cimi> dednick, indicators show more items toggled after that
[16:40] <dednick> Cimi: what conflicts?
[16:40] <Cimi> dednick, so first of all, when I start the welcome wizard, no access point is toggled
[16:40] <Cimi> even if I'm connected to CImi-Wlan
[16:41] <Cimi> dednick, kinda like it's not realtime
[16:43] <dednick> Cimi: i'm building your code. hang on
[16:45] <dednick> ... grr. apt not working
[16:47] <Cimi> dednick, same issue on the desktop
[16:48] <dednick> Cimi: ok, well that should be easier to figure out
[16:50] <dednick> Cimi: how do you run wizard?
[16:51] <zgreg> hi
[16:52] <Cimi> dednick, so
[16:52] <Cimi> dednick, branch code
[16:52] <Cimi> dednick, debuild
[16:52] <Cimi> dednick, wizard/test.sh
[16:52] <zgreg> I am seeing strange visual artefacts when doing drag-to-maximize with the current ubuntu 14.04 live cd
[16:52] <Cimi> dednick, actually, before running  sudo rm /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/wizard/qml/Pages/20-wifi.qml.disabled
[16:53] <zgreg> essentially, the window pixmap seems is scaled with the normal outline animation
[16:53] <zgreg> it looks really ugly
[16:53] <zgreg> I can't find any bug about this on launchpad, is it a known issue?
[16:54] <dednick> Cimi: backend is changing, but it looks like the updates arent gettiung  back to the items
[16:56] <dednick> Cimi: also, not being able to run the local files is kinda painful. you should probably add in the local paths like unity8 does for not running installed version
[16:57] <dednick> Cimi: oh, test relies on debuild ?
[16:58] <mhall119> Saviq: do you have any Unity 8 updates you can give in today's UE broadcast?
[16:58] <Cimi> dednick, I didn't write that script
[16:59] <Cimi> dednick, but it's a series of import
[16:59] <Cimi> for local build
[16:59] <Cimi> like our './run'
[16:59] <dednick> Cimi: yeah, i see that
[17:05] <Cimi> dednick, I think it works if I change in the network manager
[17:05] <Cimi> dednick, but swom the wizard, keeps the toggled status
[17:08] <dednick> Cimi: it's really weird. I'm getting signals to say it's changing, but the checked is not changing.
[17:08] <greyback> zgreg: bregma might know about that
[17:08] <dednick> like Connection {target: model; onIsToggledChanged: console.log("change"); }
[17:08] <dednick> Cimi: ^
[17:10] <Cimi> dednick, how about a binding that breaks?
[17:10] <Cimi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-settings-components-team/ubuntu-settings-components/trunk/view/head:/Ubuntu/Settings/Menus/AccessPointMenu.qml
[17:10] <dednick> Cimi: i thin ki might know whats going
[17:10] <dednick> yeah, i think it's the binding
[17:10] <zgreg> bregma, do you know anything about it? (see above)
[17:11] <Cimi> dednick, you can fix that?
[17:11] <dednick> Cimi: hm. no idea why it's working in the indicator
[17:11] <Cimi> dednick, not sure it's working in the indicator
[17:11] <Cimi> dednick, I had issues as well there
[17:11] <dednick> would seem something has changed in qt.
[17:12] <Cimi> dednick, maybe the menuindex changes or so retrigger a full update
[17:12] <dednick> Cimi: surely somebody would have noticed by now
[17:12] <Cimi> dednick, I had issues when playing with both wizard and indicators on the phone
[17:12] <dednick> or not...
[17:12] <Cimi> dednick, like tapping on the wizard and checking indicators
[17:13] <dednick> Cimi: it's the same issue we had with the slider
[17:15] <Cimi> dednick, ok I have it in indicators
[17:16] <dednick> Cimi: yeah, me too
[17:16] <zgreg> huh, there are windows in the background it also flickers for some reason
[17:16] <zgreg> *if there
[17:16] <Cimi> dednick, ah ok, I whatsapped :P
[17:16] <bregma> zgreg, do you have an nVidia video card?
[17:16] <zgreg> this is really quite broken and I see it on multiple systems
[17:16] <dednick> Cimi: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7157866/
[17:16] <zgreg> nope, radeon using the standard open source drivers, I am just using the live cd
[17:18] <dednick> Cimi: although the initial value doesnt seem to be set...
[17:18] <Cimi> dednick, default value for checked?
[17:18] <Cimi> dednick, indeed
[17:18] <dednick> Cimi: default is already unchecked
[17:18] <Cimi> dednick, component.oncompleted?
[17:19] <dednick> Cimi: no, shouldn't need it
[17:22] <Cimi> dednick, nope if you're connected it doesn't see the connection
[17:24] <Cimi> dednick, that becomes a problem
[17:24] <Cimi> dednick, when you activate the same access point you're connected to
[17:26] <sil2100> pstolowski: hi!
[17:26] <sil2100> pstolowski: so, davmor2 found this bug - we're still not sure who to ping, but since it might be related to the recent scopes transition -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1297965
[17:29] <pstolowski> sil2100, right, I noticed that too
[17:30] <sil2100> pstolowski: do you know what component might be responsible?
[17:30] <sil2100> (and who to poke ;) )
[17:32] <pstolowski> sil2100, most likely click scope
[17:33] <pstolowski> sil2100, dobey> pstolowski: it's a dup. the branch alecu has in progress fixes it
 pstolowski: it only breaks for certains apps where the Name in the .desktop doesn't match the title of the app in the store
[17:34] <dednick> Cimi: theres a problem with the access point ment iteself
[17:35] <zgreg> bregma, I made a simple video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Md_z0g4RE - quality is horrible, but it still shows the problem quite clearly.
[17:37] <Cimi> dednick, what?
[17:38] <dednick> Cimi: there is a Connection to the checked property which isn't being triggered before the object is completed.
[17:39] <Cimi> dednick, ah
[17:39] <dednick> Cimi: although i don't know why this is just cropping up now. must be a new thing
[17:41] <dednick> Saviq: you know anything about a change in the way qt is handling connections to properties? (ie dont trigger connection if object isn't complete)
[17:42] <Cimi> dednick, you mean         Connections {
[17:42] <Cimi>             target: menu
[17:42] <Cimi>             onCheckedChanged: { ?
[17:43] <Cimi> dednick, this is still dead https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/checkbox.toggled/+merge/179679
[17:44] <dednick> Cimi: i mean this wont work. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7158031/
[17:49] <zgreg> bregma, I filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1297978
[17:50] <Cimi> dednick, so if obj is not completed
[17:50] <Cimi> dednick, the connection is not established
[17:50] <Cimi> dednick, why a component.oncompleted is not working?
[17:51] <dednick> Cimi: no, it's just not triggered. in this case i think it's because we're using the items as delegates directly
[17:51] <dednick> it's working in unity8 (mostly) because we set the model data after the item has been completed by the Loader
[17:53] <dednick> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/access-point-init/+merge/212913
[17:55] <Cimi> dednick, not very nice to see that component.oncompleted!
[17:55] <Cimi> dednick, is this the best solution we can have?
[17:56] <dednick> Cimi: yep
[17:56] <Cimi> dednick, neither digging into why we have this connection issue?
[17:56] <dednick> Cimi: it's not an issue
[17:57] <Cimi> dednick, otherwise a nice comment would be appreciated :)
[17:59] <dednick> Cimi: added
[17:59] <Cimi> thx
[18:16] <kgunn> mterry: hey, i had a silo with https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/volume/+merge/209158
[18:17] <kgunn> but that depended on the indicator-sound stuff that got reverted right ?
[18:17] <mterry> kgunn, yes and no...
[18:17] <kgunn> i suppose i should free that silo ?
[18:17] <kgunn> (note i have packages there if worth testing)
[18:17] <mterry> kgunn, the schema change can go in by itself.  It won't affect anything.  But it will mean we get the feature back as soon as the indicator-sound stuff lands again
[18:18] <mterry> (vs waiting for indicator-sound to land, then landing schemas later)
[18:18] <mterry> kgunn, I'd prefer to see schemas land first.  But no biggie either way if you want to free the silo
[18:19] <mterry> kgunn, I suppose this branch could go into whatever silo the indicator-sound re-reverts go in...
[18:33] <kgunn> mterry: so is this more of a "just make sure it didn't break anything" ?
[18:34] <kgunn> no real way to test it solves or adds something (w/o the indicator-sound back in)
[18:34] <mterry> kgunn, fair.  We can just put it in the same silo that indicator-sound re-revert will be in
[18:34] <mterry> tedg, can you make sure the schema branch ~mterry/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/volume is in your indicator-sound re-landing?
[18:35] <tedg> mterry, Sure, but I was figuring that wouldn't be until after beta-freeze.
[18:36] <mterry> tedg, that's expected.  There's nothing we can do about that.  But just saves us from putting it in its own silo
[18:36] <tedg> mterry, K
[18:36] <mterry> kgunn, ok, clear the silo!  Thanks for putting it together in the first place
[18:38] <tedg> I should probably start a line on the spreadsheet, so it's ready.
[18:42] <tedg> mterry, Line 51
[18:54] <kgunn> tedg: ack
[18:58] <tedg> kgunn, That wasn't for you, it was for mterry. I expect you to search through the spreedsheet by hand, like an animal. ;-)
[18:58]  * kgunn looks up grunting, with slobber hanging from jowels
[19:34] <fginther> mterry, question about the unlock script...
[19:34] <mterry> fginther, shoot
[19:36] <fginther> mterry, as this needs to be executed from the adb host, did you have a specific method in mind for getting the latest unlock-device script?
[19:37] <fginther> mterry, I could envision a setup that installs unity8-autopilot on the target device, then adb pulls the script to the host
[19:37] <mterry> fginther, I wasn't sure what environment you guys had in jenkins.  Worst case you could always adb pull it
[19:37] <mterry> fginther, yeah
[19:37] <fginther> mterry, ok, just wanted to ask in case I was looking at it the wrong way


[00:07] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[00:07] <pace_t_zulu> sorry i've been MIA for a few days
[00:08] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger wrst vychune chris4585 electricus elijah-m` Juzzy orias Svpernova09 ... ping ... reminder that our monthly meeting starts in an hour and a half
[00:09] <vychune> oh ok didnt even notice
[00:11] <orias> always scheduling it for when I'm driving home :0
[00:18] <vychune> lol
[00:23] <Unit193> I get a meeting? Cool!
[00:23] <Unit193> wrst: Did you read up to where I was talking with cyberanger?
[00:25] <wrst> cyberanger: should hopefully be here
[00:26] <wrst> uhh pace_t_zulu i should hopefully be here :)
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: haha
[01:21]  * wrst is babysitting
[01:28] <vychune> lol
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> who do we have here ... vychune orias Unit193 ? wrst ???
[01:29] <vychune> present
[01:29] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: looks like its you and me
[01:29] <pace_t_zulu> right now
[01:29] <vychune> lol
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> typically we wait for others to arrive ...
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> but we started doing that when the meeting time was 8 eastern / 7 central ...
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> here we are at 8:30 eastern / 7:30 central  ... and looking to push things back again
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to ping everyone and then start the meeting
[01:31] <vychune> well thats life sometime
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger wrst vychune chris4585 electricus elijah-m` Juzzy orias Svpernova09 ... ping ... meeting
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: sorry you were in that ... copy-paste from above
[01:32] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: here more or less still baby sitting on my phone
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> #startmeeting
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[01:33] <wrst> \o
[01:33] <pace_t_zulu> wrst ... mind raising your hand ?
[01:33] <pace_t_zulu> there we go
[01:34] <wrst> :)
[01:35] <pace_t_zulu> so it seems appropriate that we ack chibi ... bless him
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[01:35] <wrst> agreed
[01:35] <vychune> hows his bro?
[01:36] <wrst> I don't know
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> neither do i
[01:36] <vychune> and is a tribute on the website yet?
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: seems not
[01:36] <vychune> oh ok
[01:37] <wrst> good idea that can happen
[01:37] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I could get with cyberanger on that
[01:37] <pace_t_zulu> anyone have a proposal for an appropriate way to pay tribute to chibi?
[01:38] <vychune> photo montoge? lol
[01:38] <wrst> I would think a nice post maybe with the meetup pic?
[01:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: who knew chibi the best ...
[01:39] <wrst> cyberanger. did
[01:39] <wrst> I think
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> regretfully, i did not get to know him as well as i wish i could have
[01:39] <wrst> great guy
[01:39] <vychune> same here pace
[01:39] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i know cyberanger did meet him in person
[01:39] <wrst> yes
[01:40] <wrst> I talked with him a lot here
[01:40] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] how to appropriately pay tribute to chibihogoshino
[01:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  how to appropriately pay tribute to chibihogoshino
[01:41] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] a nice post on ubuntu-tennessee.org including photo of chibi from meetup
[01:41] <MootBot> IDEA received:  a nice post on ubuntu-tennessee.org including photo of chibi from meetup
[01:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea, i definitely talked to him often ... i guess i just don't feel like i got to know his personality like i know you cyberanger xpistos ... etc
[01:43] <wrst> maybe a link to the obituary?
[01:43] <vychune> we were anime buds on here
[01:43] <wrst> yeah know what you mean
[01:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: do you have a link?
[01:43] <vychune> nice one wrst
[01:43] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] include a link to chibi's obituary on post
[01:43] <MootBot> IDEA received:  include a link to chibi's obituary on post
[01:44] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: +1
[01:44] <vychune> lol
[01:44] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: no but sure we can find one
[01:45] <wrst> will look when I get off my phone
[01:46] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: my preliminary searches are coming up empty
[01:47] <wrst> bummer
[01:47] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i will go ahead and start this post on the website ... i cannot stand the thought of us discussing this without following through
[01:47] <vychune> amen to that
[01:47] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i will use cyberanger's email as the basis
[01:47] <wrst> great I agree
[01:47] <wrst> yes another good idea
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] go ahead and start post on website paying tribute to chibi ... it can be a work in progress ... but it must go up
[01:48] <MootBot> IDEA received:  go ahead and start post on website paying tribute to chibi ... it can be a work in progress ... but it must go up
[01:48] <vychune> what was his email?
[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> soliciting suggestions for the post title
[01:49] <vychune> ubuntu TN remembers chibihogoshino
[01:49] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: +1
[01:50] <vychune> ty ty
[01:50] <wrst> yep good and simple
[01:54] <vychune> http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-content/uploads/DSC07938.jpg
[01:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-content/uploads/DSC07938.jpg
[01:54] <vychune> which one is chibi?
[01:55] <vychune> hellloooooooooooooooo
[01:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: vychune ... here is my initial draft
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/?p=300&preview=true
[01:56] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/?p=300&preview=true
[01:56] <vychune> ok
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> you may need to login ...
[01:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i can pastebin it if it is more convenient on your phone
[01:57] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: no need
[01:57] <vychune> i dont have a login
[01:57] <pace_t_zulu> ok... i'll go ahead an publish it
[01:57] <wrst> I'm sure it is good
[01:57] <vychune> how do i get a login
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: wrst http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/uncategorized/300/
[01:58] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i'm not sure.... i think i have admin privileges ... lemme check
[01:59] <wrst> well done
[01:59] <vychune> NICE pace_t_zulu
[01:59] <vychune> +1000
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i can create an account for you
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i'll pm you to get details
[01:59] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: ty
[02:02]  * wrst is back on a full keyboard again
[02:03] <vychune> LOL
[02:03] <pace_t_zulu> and we're back
[02:03] <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to make vychune an 'author' for now ... sound right to you wrst?
[02:03] <wrst> sounds good to me pace_t_zulu, and we could use some authors!
[02:04] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: try logging in ... you should also receive an email with the login info
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: any idea why the post isn't going to the front page?
[02:05] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i made it 'Uncategorized' ... perhaps that's why
[02:05] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: my wordpress skills have diminished is there a promote to front page option or is that a drupal thing?
[02:07] <vychune> joomla u mean? :)
[02:08] <wrst> vychune: nope drupal never used joomla
[02:08] <pace_t_zulu> ok ... i added the category 'Meetups' and that got it on the front page
[02:08] <vychune> cool
[02:08] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps this deserves a new category
[02:09] <wrst> looks good pace_t_zulu
[02:09] <vychune> tributes?
[02:09] <vychune> Annocnements
[02:09] <vychune> you know how to spell it lol
[02:09] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: tributes
[02:09] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i was typing that out as you said it
[02:10] <vychune> oh ok lol
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> so we have to explicity add categories to the front page
[02:10] <pace_t_zulu> i get the feeling someone perhaps borked this theme
[02:11] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: yeah with wordpress i thought the latest thing always went to front
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> no
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> i found it
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-admin/options-general.php?page=sticky-front-page-categories-and-tags/home_cat.php
[02:11] <pace_t_zulu> you can set which categories go to the front page
[02:12] <vychune> cool
[02:12] <pace_t_zulu> anyone object to me updating wordpress?
[02:12] <wrst> ahh good to know pace_t_zulu
[02:12] <wrst> if someone volunteers to do work and someone objects the objector should have his tongue cut out :)
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> wordpress has been updated to 3.1.3
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/
[02:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> [action] tribute to chibi has been posted at ubuntu-tennessee.org
[02:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tribute to chibi has been posted at ubuntu-tennessee.org
[02:13] <vychune> \o/
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] welcome members to *respectfully* augment the post
[02:14] <MootBot> IDEA received:  welcome members to *respectfully* augment the post
[02:14] <vychune> augment?
[02:15] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: add to it
[02:15] <vychune> oh i posted it to FB btw
[02:15] <wrst> sounds good pace_t_zulu and I think surely the respectfully shouldn't be a problem but certainly needs to be mentioned
[02:15] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] alternatively members can post their own thoughts in the comments section
[02:15] <MootBot> IDEA received:  alternatively members can post their own thoughts in the comments section
[02:16] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that might actually be a better idea
[02:16] <wrst> could get sloppy people editing your post
[02:16] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: you prefer the comments idea as well
[02:16] <vychune> sound good
[02:17] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea... i am happy with the post ... appropriate and tasteful ...
[02:17] <wrst> yeah and be bad to mess that up really
[02:17] <pace_t_zulu> yea... i'll see if i can lock it
[02:18] <pace_t_zulu> doesn't look like it can be locked ...
[02:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: vychune i will post the same message on the ubuntu tennessee group on facebook
[02:19] <vychune_afk> ok
[02:19] <vychune_afk> brb
[02:19] <wrst> cool pace_t_zulu, you know we really under-utilize facebook
[02:19]  * wrst updates to 11.10 so his computer may go up in smoke
[02:20] <pace_t_zulu> i will add a line to the facebook posting to encourage people to leave their comments on ubuntu-tennessee.org
[02:23] <pace_t_zulu> and i'm actually going to change the permalink structure ... the current one is too impersonal
[02:23] <pace_t_zulu> so now the permalink is http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/
[02:24] <pace_t_zulu> rather than http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/tributes/300/
[02:24] <wrst> nice
[02:26] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I gotta run if there is nothing else major
[02:26] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no worries ... really appreciate you being here
[02:26] <pace_t_zulu> this mattered
[02:26] <pace_t_zulu> *matters
[02:27] <wrst> agreed, I will be back in a few but gotta run just a bit
[02:28] <vychune> Hung system
[02:29] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: wrst ... here is the facebook note:
[02:29] <pace_t_zulu> https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-tennessee/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/10150213365729329
[02:29] <pace_t_zulu> [link] https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-tennessee/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/10150213365729329
[02:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-tennessee/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/10150213365729329
[02:29] <pace_t_zulu> [link] http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/
[02:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/
[02:29] <wrst> nice
[02:29] <pace_t_zulu> [idea] conclude this meeting
[02:29] <MootBot> IDEA received:  conclude this meeting
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> anyone second that motion?
[02:30] <vychune> no
[02:30] <vychune> lol
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: something you'd like to add?
[02:30] <vychune> no jk
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> roger
[02:30] <pace_t_zulu> #endmeeting
[02:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 20:30.
[02:30] <vychune> o/
[02:31] <Unit193> Hmmm...
[02:32] <vychune> WHERE WAS YOUR A** AT?!?!? lol
[02:32] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: nice timing ;)
[02:32] <Unit193> I was reading...
[02:32] <vychune> read your screen nother bucker lol
[02:33] <Unit193> I was reading the meeting... Nother bucker?
[02:33] <vychune> N=m b=f
[02:34] <Unit193> Hmmm....
[02:34] <vychune>  and the crowd goes boo
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> nice code breaking vychune
[02:34] <vychune> lol
[02:35] <vychune> ty
[02:35] <Unit193> I was guessing the second... (Not my favorite wording...)
[02:36] <Unit193> As I said, I was here, reading... (Shouldn't comment too much on the first meet and I'm not from around here...)
[02:37] <vychune> oh well good point lol
[02:41] <vychune> excuse my assholeness lol
[02:42] <vychune> night
[02:46] <Unit193> Welcome back!
[02:46] <vychune> GUYS I FOUND CHIBI"S GOOGLE PICS!
[02:47] <vychune> https://picasaweb.google.com/jschwentker77
[02:48] <vychune> unit193 ty lol
[02:48] <vychune> pace_t_zulu ping
[03:41] <wrst> wb chris4585
[03:41] <chris4585> thanks
[03:41] <Unit193> Did you two see when I was speaking to cyberang? (Didn't need to ping...)
[03:43] <wrst> Unit193: what was it?
I don't live in Tennessee</whispers>
[03:48] <wrst> OH NOES
[03:48] <wrst> Unit193: where you from?
[03:48] <Unit193> Ohio (He invited me to stay, if that changes, let me know and I will go)
[03:49] <Unit193> This group seems real nice!
[03:50] <wrst> ha ha Unit193, chris4585 is from FL
[03:51] <wrst> you are always welcome here
[03:55] <chris4585> they aren't getting rid of me anytime soon :D
[03:55] <wrst> no we've tried and he keeps coming back ;)
[03:55] <Unit193> +b would do it :P
[03:55] <wrst> nah
[03:55] <wrst> wouldn't want to do that
[03:57] <wrst> oh chris4585 i just upgraded 11.04 to well whatever 11.10 is called
[03:57] <Unit193> Onriric
[03:57] <Unit193> Heh... Oneiric
[03:58] <chris4585> you know most code names It takes me a while to get use to, but not this one :(
[03:58] <chris4585> wrst, did you try installing gnome-shell?
[03:58] <wrst> well its not correct but i'm just going to call it 11.10
[03:59] <wrst> i will chris4585 havne't gotten to it yet
[03:59] <chris4585> I completely removed ubuntu-desktop for now
[03:59] <wrst> i'm heading to bed see you guys tomorrow
[03:59] <chris4585> well I've already done it once, need any help just ping me
[03:59] <chris4585> g'night wrst
[03:59] <wrst> will do chris4585 thanks!
[04:00] <Unit193> You could just install from !mini.iso :P
[04:00] <chris4585> yes, yes I could, but it was more fun doing an upgrade
[04:00] <chris4585> I wanted to see the state of unity also
[04:01] <chris4585> I've had this install since 10.10 so its been an interesting ride
[04:01] <Unit193> How is it? (I know it's currently broken)
[04:01] <Unit193> I need to upgrade one box from 10.10...
[04:02] <chris4585> you could say that, right now no controls on the unmaximized desktop, the default theme isn't gtk3 yet so everything looks ugly until you install a gtk3 theme
[04:02] <chris4585> right now I uninstalled unity, and only using gnome-shell and its lovely
[04:05] <chris4585> http://i.imgur.com/1mvJD.jpg
[04:08] <Unit193> Where you here when I was talking about all the DSL modems having 80 open to the world? (Looks nice BTW)
[04:08] <chris4585> I don't think I was, and thanks
[04:09] <Unit193> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:51] <Unit193> Connection issues?
[06:52] <vychune> no
[06:53] <vychune> up late i see
[06:53] <vychune> sorry about ragging on you earlier
[06:53] <Unit193> Always... Na, I thought that was a joke?
[07:02] <vychune> it was
[07:03] <Unit193> Then it's all fine!  I will be fore a little bit...
[07:21] <Unit193> for
[07:21] <vychune> golfing? lol
[07:21] <Unit193> Disconnected by services ? That's normally done with the ghost command...
[07:21] <vychune> yeah i had to
[07:21] <vychune> closed my window by accident
[07:22] <Unit193> Erm... Fun! ;)
[07:22] <vychune> lol
[07:23] <vychune> what part of tennessee?
[07:24] <Unit193> Ah! You had left by that time! I'm not exactly in Tennessee...
[07:24] <vychune> oh what state
[07:25] <Unit193> Ohio
[07:25] <vychune> wow
[07:25] <vychune> so why ubuntu tn?
[07:27] <Unit193> At first I came to ask about ubotuTN, noticed he wasn't here then cyberanger started talking to me and invited me to stay
[07:27] <vychune> oh ok cool
[07:28] <Unit193> He seemed real nice so I stayed
[07:28] <vychune> ubotuTN? so what that about?
[07:29] <vychune> nevermind
[07:29] <Unit193> ubotuTN is a bot you guys made (From rbot)
[07:29] <vychune> googled it
[07:29] <vychune> they made
[07:29] <vychune> i can't code perl good yet lol
[07:29] <vychune> only 19
[07:30] <Unit193> Ah! We were working on one and I wanted to know how they inported ubottu factoids
[07:30] <Unit193> It's ruby...
[07:30] <vychune> oh ok cool
[07:30] <vychune> ruby on rails?
[07:31] <Unit193> I don't think so...
[07:31] <vychune> oh ok
[07:32] <vychune> well im in need of shut eye
[07:32] <vychune> nice to meet you and welcome
[07:32] <Unit193> Have a good one!
[07:34] <vychune> night
[07:34] <vychune> o/
[07:40] <Unit193> Looks like ubotuTN worked better with Launchpad than ubottu does...
[09:33] <Unit193> Howdy, pricew
[12:43] <wrst> Unit193: you never sleep!
[13:17] <pricew_> morning Unit193
[13:44] <wrst> pricew_: how are you doing/
[13:44] <wrst> or... doing?
[13:45] <pricew_> Pretty good so far.  But it's early.  :)
[13:47] <wrst> ha same here pricew_, but its friday
[13:48] <pricew_> Yea, gotta love a short week.
[14:15] <vychune> morning
[15:14] <wrst> pricew_: i absolutely love short weeks!
[15:14] <wrst> morning vychune
[15:18] <wrst> wb pace_t_zulu
[15:20] <electricus> ah.. missed the meeting.. sorry
[15:20] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: had to reboot
[15:20] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: no worries
[15:20] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: the main outcome was this http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/
[15:20] <electricus> pace_t_zulu: can you give me future meeting info?
[15:21] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: first thursday of the month
[15:21] <pace_t_zulu> 8:30 eastern / 7:30 central
[15:21] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: got that? ^
[15:21] <electricus> ok. thanks
[15:22] <electricus> pace_t_zulu: where is it physically?
[15:22] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: this monthly meeting is on irc ... in here
[15:22] <electricus> ok
[15:22] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: you can physically be in china ... doesn't matter
[15:24] <pace_t_zulu> electricus: thanks for pointing out that the topic needed to be changed
[15:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: had to reboot the cloud machine
[15:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you know how much the last month cost me for this server?
[15:39] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: for the obit, might not be in TN, Might be in WV or OH
[15:39] <cyberanger> where family is
[15:39] <cyberanger> (I think he was still on vacation with family in WV when it occured)
[15:41] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: if you have a link ... we'll definitely add it
[15:41] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i didn't limit my search for the state of tennessee
[15:42] <cyberanger> sorry I missed the meeting, my paycheck isn't (tough choice, would have preferred both, but the wallet hurt, work used the help)
[15:42] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'll see what I can dig up, or ask his brother
[15:44] <cyberanger> better go
[15:45] <pace_t_zulu> later cyberanger
[15:45] <cyberanger> see you all after I punch out
[15:45] <cyberanger> or maybe on lunch break
[15:49] <wrst> join /#qimo
[15:49] <wrst> hmm
[15:49]  * wrst needs to remember how to do basic irc commands :)
[15:49] <cyberanger> wrst: /join #qimo
[15:50] <wrst> thanks cyberanger :P
[15:50] <vychune> lol
[15:50] <wrst> atleast i didn't mess up msg nickserv identify
[15:50] <vychune> LOL
[15:51] <vychune> like i did
[15:54] <cyberanger> lol
[15:54] <cyberanger> better really head out now, lest I txt and drive, don't want to drive all intextifacted
[15:58] <vychune> lol
[19:46] <Juzzy> My bbq: http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/247095_1367762770979_1739005916_588514_6772645_n.jpg
[19:47] <Unit193> Wow... What are you cooking?
[19:47] <Juzzy> pork shoulders
[19:51] <Xpistos> That is good stuff brother
[19:52] <Unit193> Looks to be good!
[19:55] <Juzzy> werd, I'm trying a couple of different ways
[19:55] <Juzzy> one is a mustard + brownsugar maranade
[19:55] <Juzzy> injected with apple juice + brown sugar
[19:56] <Juzzy> should be insanley juicey
[19:58] <electricus> anybody know of a cheap raid+1 mirroring solution for a tower server.  I was thinking about getting one of those external inclosures that you could pop a couple sata drives in
[19:59] <Juzzy> why not raid5?
[19:59] <Juzzy> if you wanna do cheap, you can do what I did
[19:59] <Juzzy> I have 4 x 2tb, 20gb (overkill) raid 1 on all drives, the rest is raid5
[20:00] <Juzzy> then installed grub on all drives
[20:00] <Juzzy> and I'm running software raid for all of it
[20:00] <Juzzy> so no matter what, i can lose any drive and it still boot, no raid controller dependancy, the integrety is good
[20:01] <Juzzy> and you can litterally do that on any mobo with 4 sata ports
[20:28] <pricew> electricus: ever since I had to rebuild a raid 5 drive, I try to stick with mirrored.   Anywho.. How about you?
[21:39] <vychune> boredem rampant
[21:40] <vychune> wheres cyberanger when you need him lol
[22:06] <cyberanger> vychune: work
[22:08] <vychune> oh hey lol
[22:09] <cyberanger> vychune: unfortunately busier than usual, sorry, but hey, helps the wallet
[22:09] <cyberanger> send a pm, I'll try to get to it, even if it winds up being after work, 7PM EDT
[22:10] <vychune> oh i was just messing
[22:14] <electricus> what do you guys think of Sn0wLinuX?
[22:14] <electricus> to me it looks like it just does everything i end up doing to my install in one shot..
[22:15] <electricus> pretty much saving me 30 to 45 more minutes setting up what I want
[22:15] <electricus> installing and tweaking the interface
[22:17] <vychune> havent seen it
[22:21] <electricus> http://sn0wl1nux.sourceforge.net/
[22:21] <electricus> basically they're copying snow leapard
[22:23] <Unit193> Can we say Macbuntu? ;) (I'm sure that's better)
[22:24] <Unit193> *That being Sn0wLinuX
[22:47] <elijah-m`> i love their screenshots.  they're nice.  reminds me of osx, of course.
[23:08] <cyberanger> electricus: I like the cost, beats real snow leopard
[23:09] <cyberanger> but crunchbang is equally cheap, same with arch and debian
[23:12] <Unit193> cyberanger: Have you seen Zenix? It's a Debian respin with openbox+tint2 or Awesome (Done by Bodhi_zazen)


[21:44] <tvin> Is this where I go to resolve my being banned from ubuntu channel?
[21:45] <k1l> tvin: which channel?
[21:45] <tvin> ubuntu
[21:46] <k1l> then its #ubuntu-ops
[21:46] <tvin> what is this channel for?
[21:47] <k1l> mainly for bureaucracy of setting up and running channels. but resolve bans if they loco teams dont have own ops channels.
[21:48] <tvin> ok
[21:50] <Na3iL> Hey k1l I've nominated myself for the Ubuntu IRCC, I've some questions if you don't mind :)
[21:50] <k1l> ask them. but i am starting to make dinner right now. i try to answer them
[21:51] <Na3iL> okay, thank you :)
[21:52] <Na3iL> I've been familiar with IRC since 2 years, I mean commands and those things, I wonder how to grap testimonials when I was focused on helping others and answering their questions about Ubuntu
[21:52] <Na3iL> I hope that you get what I mean..
[21:54] <tvin> when is there usually someone on in ubuntu ops?
[22:07] <tvin> k1l, ?


[21:50] <genii> azizLIGHT: That is the only place
[21:51] <e_> I have a list of 700 websites, and then I wrote a loop that "links -dump" those sites one-by-one and after 20th site from that list looks like some system protection kiks in and loop just flyes by those links -dump commands without actually trying to make a connection, then it comes back at a site number around 300, I think it is system protection that needs to be tweeked.
[21:51] <tatertots> azizLIGHT: under 'normal' circumstances they are in /var/cache/apt/archives    that doesn't mean your circumstances are 'normal' though so ymmv
[21:51] <azizLIGHT> well my version isnt in there
[21:51] <azizLIGHT> what can i do to be able to come back to current version i have installed
[21:51] <genii> azizLIGHT: Just wget whatever version directly down from the PPA
[21:52] <azizLIGHT> i have nvidia-358 installed from ppa, but they dont publish it anymore in the graphics semi-offficial ppa
[21:52] <azizLIGHT> if i upgrade, and encounter bugs..... i want ot be able to go back to nvidia-358
[21:52] <azizLIGHT> and i dont see the deb for it in /var/cache/apt/archives... so what can i do
[21:52] <azizLIGHT> if i upgrade i will lose the capability to go back to nvidia-358?
[21:54] <atf> tatertots : I got an error message on install "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. ...."
[21:55] <tatertots> atf: is that something that you had observed previously?
[21:55] <atf> nope
[21:56] <tatertots> atf: do these things, in bios kill/disable secure boot, set bios to CSM instead of eufi, run the dell diagnostics express test
[21:56] <azizLIGHT> cant i do something while i have this version currently installed, to be able to back it up
[21:56] <azizLIGHT> so that i can reinstall it later
[21:59] <Cyber_Akuma> Well, I just wound up making my own anyway because I coulden't find a decent pre-made one..... text wound up being a bit too small, oh well.
[21:59] <atf> no option re CSM/eufi
[21:59] <atf> now  in diagnostics
[21:59]  * e_ 800 Watts Power Supply
[22:00] <atf> what would CSM/eufi be under?
[22:00] <iresf> how to find  my ubuntu hacked?
[22:00] <genii> azizLIGHT: Are you using https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa PPA?
[22:00] <azizLIGHT> yes i am genii
[22:01] <tatertots> atf: if you didn't see any options for CSM/uefi don't worry about it did you see secure boot?
[22:01] <atf> yup that was off - I think i needed to disable that to change boot option. Should have kept nots
[22:02] <tatertots> atf: good
[22:02] <tatertots> atf: does the dell diagnostics complete without error? yes or no
[22:03] <atf> yes (i didn't run extended memory test but rest passed)
[22:04] <tatertots> atf: ubuntu 16.04 unsuccessful, lubuntu 16.04 unsuccessful...would you say that is fair to say? yes or no
[22:05] <atf> yes but they run fine from USB with nomodeset
[22:05] <tatertots> atf: notice i added edition and specifically version numbers whereas you generically say things like ubuntu or lubuntu
[22:05] <tatertots> atf: details are important
[22:06] <acheron-a> "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. ...." is something that started earlier this week with Mint
[22:06] <ppf> !mint
[22:06] <acheron-a> i know, thats why i am using Ubuntu, it installed fine
[22:07] <acheron-a> i'm surprised to see that here
[22:07] <atf> ubuntu 16.04.02, lubuntu 16.10
[22:07] <atf> new USB with persistence created
[22:07] <tatertots> atf: good
[22:08] <acheron-a> i had never had that before on this computer once i turned secure and fastboot off
[22:09] <acheron-a> atf: are you choosing the option to do updates on install?
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> genii: can i build a deb out of these files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24204368/
[22:09] <atf> yes for ubuntu nor for lubuntu
[22:09] <tatertots> atf: boot the persistent liveusb, once booted to the live environment determine if you can establish a hardwired internet connection or a wireless connection either will suffice as the important factor here is a internet connection
[22:09] <acheron-a> try turning that off and just getting the codecs and see if that makes a difference
[22:10] <acheron-a> atf: if that does not work, try the install with the network to the computer disconnected
[22:14] <genii> azizLIGHT: What says result for apt-cache policy nvidia-358
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24204405/
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> looks like its not listing the ppa on there anymore
[22:15] <azizLIGHT> i definitely got it from that ppa
[22:15] <genii> !info nvidia-358 trusty
[22:16] <azizLIGHT> genii: see this question refers to it in the ppa too: http://askubuntu.com/questions/709291/about-nvidia-graphics-driver
[22:16] <azizLIGHT> answer i mean
[22:17] <dckx_> good afternoon everyone. I have a quick question. I installed 16.04 and my touchpad was enabled with multi touch... however, after I installled bumblebee and a lot of things went wrong, the touchpad was disabled. Now, I managed to enable it again, but without multi touch. I have read online that there are different projects that enable multi touch in Ubuntu. However, it before al the bumblebee drama, multitouch seemed to be enabled by
[22:17] <dckx_> default. My question is:  is there any way I can re enable multi touch without installing stuff like
[22:17] <dckx_> geis, grail, touchegg, etc? Like I said, before it was enabled by default, without any special software/package addition that I am aware of
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> genii: its from nov 2015: http://web.archive.org/web/20151125015911/https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:19] <azizLIGHT> or actually jan 2016, cause they didnt have 14.04.2 until then
[22:19] <azizLIGHT> 358.16-0ubuntu0~gpu14.04.2 on http://web.archive.org/web/20160116001923/https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:21] <atf> new USB key with lubuntu 16.10 with persistance won't boat to the live environment even with nomodeset selected - tried both 'live' and 'persistance' mode. USB created with linus live USB creator. Old USB with lubuntu 16.10 will boot to live environment and conect to wifi. UB created with rufus. No persistance. Tried to install lubuntu from this old USB received error as above. losing will to live.....
[22:24] <tatertots> atf: does installing disconnected opting out of installing updates/extras during installation result in a successful installation?
[22:25] <atf> with lubuntu I tried not installing updates as I had just download iso. I haven't tried install lubuntu 16.10 and doing updates on install. Will try.
[22:26] <tatertots> atf: i wouldn't bother trying that if your editions/versions were accurate in your previous statement in your testimony above....there's no low hanging fruit to be had there
[22:27] <atf> when I got the error message on install "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. ...." it gave me options (choose other location, install without bootloader etc) is it worth re-trying that?
[22:28] <tatertots> atf: what i would be interested in confirming at this point, is that this is not a ubuntu issue at all, this can be determined by attempting to install some other linux distribution such as linuxmint,fedora etc and determining if you get the same unsuccessful results with other linux distributions
[22:28] <tatertots> atf: sure you can certainly try those options you state above
[22:32] <tttuuu> Hi everyone. Can someone help here http://askubuntu.com/questions/894340/cant-boot-without-usb-and-grub-install-failed/894355#894355
[22:32] <tttuuu> I can't boot without usb
[22:33] <tttuuu> boot repair also failed
[22:33] <tttuuu> http://paste2.org/C48mF6N2 is the report
[22:33] <tttuuu> boot repair says it succeeded, but I still need the usb stick to boot
[22:34] <ppf> tttuuu: are you installing grub into the sticks MBR, by chance?
[22:35] <tttuuu> what's stick MBR ppf?
[22:36] <tttuuu> ppf I installed boot repair on ubuntu
[22:36] <tttuuu> iirc
[22:36] <ppf> mbr is the master boot record. every disk can have one
[22:36] <schultza> is selinux available for ubuntu?
[22:36] <ppf> if you boot from a disk, the mbr is loaded
[22:36] <ppf> schultza: yes
[22:36] <schultza> ty
[22:37] <ppf> schultza: but ubuntu natively uses apparmor
[22:37] <tttuuu> ppf: I don't understand what I should do exactly right now
[22:37] <ppf> which is effectively the same thing
[22:37] <ppf> tttuuu: install grub into your boot disks mbr
[22:37] <schultza> im learning about selinux in class.. thats why i had the question.
[22:37] <schultza> yes, i know, it's native to red hat
[22:38] <tttuuu> ppf: do I install boot repair to my ubuntu boot usb or a brand new usb?
[22:38] <ubuntu_user_1> Hello People ! I've a small root-user problem with running AutoKey (specifically Errno 13 -- Permission denied). Could anybody please help me out ?
[22:39] <ubuntu_user_1> I'm willing to gladly give you more information, in case somebody would like to help me out !
[22:39] <ppf> tttuuu: sudo grub-install /dev/<whateveryourbootdiskis>
[22:40] <ppf> ubuntu_user_1: people are happy to help
[22:40] <ppf> you should spill some details
[22:40] <tttuuu> ppf: then what do I do?
[22:40] <ubuntu_user_1> Hi ppf -- thanks for that. Just to make it clear -- I've already installed AutoKey; and I tried to run it as root user (sudo autokey-gtk); it did run; and I killed the terminal by mistake.
[22:40] <ubuntu_user_1> Now it won't run.
[22:40] <ubuntu_user_1> Yes, exactly -- I'm willing to share more details.
[22:40] <ubuntu_user_1> It's just that I'm a bit slow in typing out details.
[22:41] <ubuntu_user_1> The error that I get when I run AutoKey is --  Permission denied. Errorno 13.
[22:41] <ethan_> hello, anyone has experience with ubuntu and the thinkpad x270 ?
[22:42] <ppf> tttuuu: that's it. remove the stick and reboot
[22:43] <tttuuu> ppf er I install it on odb or odb1
[22:44] <tttuuu> sdb or sdb1
[22:44] <tttuuu> do* I install it
[22:44] <ppf> install what
[22:44] <MonkeyDust> ethan_  better ask your real question, in one line, and wait
[22:44] <ppf> grub get's installed onto a device, not a partition
[22:44] <ppf> so /dev/sdb
[22:44] <ppf> if sdb is the device you boot
[22:44] <tttuuu> do I do sudo grub-install /dev/sdb
[22:44] <ethan_> @MonkeyDust that was my real question
[22:45] <schultza> grub can be put on a partition, ppf, just mbr needs to point to it if it going to get used.
[22:45] <tttuuu> or sudo grub-install /dev/sdb1
[22:45] <tttuuu> ppf I don't know exactly what to put after /dev
[22:45] <schultza> if mbr, sdb
[22:45] <MonkeyDust> ethan_  it was a yes/no question
[22:45] <ppf> schultza: we're talking about grub-install here
[22:45] <schultza> ah
[22:45] <schultza> does he want it as his mbr?
[22:46] <tttuuu> ppf can you tell me exactly how to get what to put after /dev?
[22:46] <schultza> his master
[22:46] <ppf> so it goes onto a device
[22:46] <ubuntu_user_1> Hi People ! I'm sorry to interrupt once again; but I need help figuring out Errorno 13 - Permission denied for AutoKey in Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit.
[22:46] <ethan_> fair enough, anyone knows if the x270 cope decently with ubuntu (for a noobie)
[22:46] <ubuntu_user_1> Could anybody please guide me?
[22:46] <ppf> tttuuu: if sdb is the disk you want to boot, then it's /dev/sdb
[22:46] <tttuuu> ppf, no sdb is the USB stick
[22:47] <tttuuu> I want to boot WITHOUT the usb stick
[22:47] <ppf> then whatever your boot device should be
[22:47] <tttuuu> ppf it's sda
[22:47] <tttuuu> Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `aufs'.
[22:48] <bizzeh> ethan_: what do you mean x270
[22:48] <tttuuu> ppf please read more here http://askubuntu.com/questions/894340/cant-boot-without-usb-and-grub-install-failed/894355#894355
[22:48] <bizzeh> that can be a GPU, a chipset, or a particular model of motherboard
[22:48] <tttuuu> I'm getting my old problem again
[22:48] <tttuuu> ppf I gotta run, thank you so much for your help
[22:48] <tttuuu> if you can, please write back in askubunutu
[22:48] <ubuntu_user_1> Hi People ! I'm sorry to interrupt once again; but I need help figuring out Errorno 13 - Permission denied for AutoKey in Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit.
[22:49] <tttuuu> thank you so much ppf
[22:49] <ethan_> @bizzeh, i saw some people having trouble with fanspeed with other lenovo laptops, and i'm currently waiting for the 270 to get delivered, so i was wondering if it works without problems or if i should already expect to have to fiddle with stuff
[22:49] <atf> installed lubuntu - no problem with bootloader this time. Booted from HDD - again display fails......
[22:50] <ubuntu_user_1> Hi People ! I'm sorry to interrupt once again; but I need help figuring out Errorno 13 - Permission denied for AutoKey in Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit.
[22:50] <ubuntu_user_1> Could anyone please help me ?
[22:50] <ubuntu_user_1> Should not take long.
[22:52] <ppf> schultza: doesn't really matter if it's MBR or EFI, grub-install can do either
[22:53] <schultza> not what im talking about.... in my case, i have two OSes, and windows likes to be the primary.. so i have grub has a slave boot loader, which can be put onto a partition, not top record (IE: mbr)
[22:53] <schultza> and i use MBR, i dont have an EFI computer yet
[22:53] <ppf> schultza: alright, fair enough
[22:54] <atf> any further thoughts before I chuck the thing down the stairs?
[22:55] <sirnoob> hello. What do the command linker?
[22:56] <ubuntu_user_1> Hi People ! I'm sorry to interrupt once again; but I need help figuring out Errorno 13 - Permission denied for AutoKey in Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit.
[22:56] <foodSurprise> can anyone help me i'm having an ata error
[22:56] <foodSurprise> after installing a new SSD
[22:56] <ppf> ubuntu_user_1: people read it. stick around until someone has an idea
[22:57] <ppf> foodSurprise: what's the error
[22:57] <ubuntu_user_1> The exact error is :
[22:57] <ubuntu_user_1> Fatal error starting AutoKey
[22:57] <ubuntu_user_1> [Errno 13] Permission denied:
[22:57] <foodSurprise> ata3: limiting SATA link speed to 3.0 Gbps
[22:57] <foodSurprise> [   63.845440] ata3: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
[22:57] <foodSurprise> [   63.845454] ata3: reset failed, giving up
[22:58] <foodSurprise> the drive won't show up in gparted
[22:58] <foodSurprise> etc
[22:58] <ppf> ran fsck yet?
[22:58] <ubuntu_user_1> @pff -- Ok; I'll wait.
[22:58] <ubuntu_user_1> @ppf - I'll wait
[22:58] <foodSurprise> how can i run fsck if its not showing up
[22:59] <ppf> foodSurprise: can you paste parted -l?
[22:59] <foodSurprise> https://hastebin.com/cekecoqavo.sql
[22:59] <foodSurprise> ppf
[23:00] <ppf> foodSurprise: which one's the critical one?
[23:01] <foodSurprise> ppf: it's not showing up
[23:01] <foodSurprise> the error i get in dmesg is for ata3
[23:02] <ppf> is that problem new? or has this disk never been working?
[23:02] <tatertots> atf: any new testing results?
[23:02] <foodSurprise> this is a brand new drive
[23:03] <foodSurprise> fresh out pack
[23:04] <ppf> are your firmwares up to date?
[23:04] <foodSurprise> i mean i haven't tried to change them
[23:04] <foodSurprise> shuold i change the setting in my bios to "allow legacy boot systems"
[23:04] <foodSurprise> like linux
[23:04] <foodSurprise> it says
[23:05] <ppf> you can give it a try, but it's not likely related
[23:05] <ppf> ubuntu is signed, it works with secure boot
[23:05] <atf> just lubuntu with updates installs but screen still blank - no system is running in low graphics mode error. Found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error don;t have a failsafeX option
[23:06] <ppf> i'm actually suspecting that it can't configure your sata controller properly
[23:06] <ppf> so i'd suggest updating the bios and ubuntu firmwars
[23:06] <foodSurprise> great
[23:06] <foodSurprise> how to update ubntu firmware
[23:07] <ppf> it's upgraded through regular package upgrades. so if you're up to date there, then you're good
[23:07] <genii> azizLIGHT: I just finished talking to Michael Marley, the PPA owner. They do not keep old versions archived, some apparently have security issues.
[23:08] <azizLIGHT> wow genii i didnt expect anyone to go to that lengt
[23:08] <foodSurprise> i'm running off a live usb
[23:08] <azizLIGHT> that seems fair i suppose
[23:09] <azizLIGHT> though i dunno where it leaves me besides doing a image backup and trying new version and hoping new version isnt buggy for me, and then not have to restore from image backuip
[23:10] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[23:10] <CountryfiedLinux> Should I go with the open source AMD A10 driver or use the binary one?
[23:11] <re-born> aoo
[23:11] <Bashing-om> CountryfiedLinux: What release and what card ? AMD no longer does proprietary drivers for us full support open source .
[23:12] <ubuntu_user_1> Hi People ! I need help figuring out Errorno 13 - Permission denied for AutoKey in Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit.
[23:13] <CountryfiedLinux> Not sure Bashing-om I'm using a Dell Inspiron 5555. Is the open source driver much different in performance?
[23:14] <atf> OK so went into recover - did nothing expect click OK and then lubuntu started fine.....!
[23:14] <Bashing-om> CountryfiedLinux: 14.04 then yes there can be performance boost with the proprietary driver . 16.04++ your only option is open source .
[23:15] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks Bashing-om
[23:15] <raymondillo> CountryfiedLinux: Why not try both drivers and see on your hardware?
[23:18] <CountryfiedLinux> ok
[23:19] <Bashing-om> atf: And back full circle to graphic's driver . In that GUI left end -> task bar icon -> terminal emulaltor ; and once more terminal command ' cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 ' and pass the resulting link back here .
[23:21] <Bashing-om> arno_: But I really do not understand why "nomodeset/recovery" with an Intel chip set !
[23:21] <atf> bash : cat/etc/fstab no such file or directory use netcat
[23:22] <ppf> atf: you're missing a space there
[23:22] <atf> termbin.com/cmn7
[23:23] <Bashing-om> atf: a space after cat before /etc/fstab . ' cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[23:23] <ubuntu_user_1> Ok bitches.  Problem solved on my end.
[23:23] <atf> yup thanks. output http://termbin.com/cmn7
[23:23] <ubuntu_user_1> Piece of shits !
[23:25] <ppf> happy to help :)
[23:26] <Bashing-om> atf: excellent ! .. Ok .. no boot paraneter is set, good. Next I need to confirm that hybrid graphics ( as I suspect ) are not at play here . pastebin :  lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:28] <sirnoob> hello. What do the command linker?
[23:28] <atf> currently running lots of updates!
[23:29] <ppf> sirnoob: i don't understand your question
[23:29] <Bashing-om> atf: Great ! we await the results of the updates/upgrades ! When done all might be resolved .
[23:30] <atf> should I type that into terminal?
[23:31] <sirnoob> hello ppf. what do /system/bin/linker. I changed linker by other mod. for that work sqlite(without linker mod , show error Pie)
[23:31] <Bashing-om> atf: Naw .. not yet .. let's see what results after all the updates and upgrades complete . and a reboot .
[23:31] <Bashing-om> !tab atf
[23:32] <Bashing-om> !tab | atf
[23:32] <ppf> sirnoob: i'm sorry i don't understand you. there are several companion channels that answer ubuntu questions in different languages, maybe yours is availble to
[23:32] <ppf> o
[23:32] <sirnoob> I my system not boot. only boot on recovery loop.
[23:32] <atf> Bashing-om: 'k might have to wait until tomorrow - brain fried! thanks to all for all the help.
[23:33] <sirnoob> ok, espero un rato mas.
[23:33] <Bashing-om> atf: Hey not a poblem to pick this up later . rest well and get a new perspective . We see ya at your convenience .
[23:34] <ppf> !es | sirnoob
[23:34] <corushhem> sirushti:
[23:34] <sirnoob> ok gracias.
[23:35] <xplisit> helllo
[23:35] <xplisit> how do i use sudo -s apt-get update and apt-get upgrade in one command
[23:35] <xplisit> or can you?
[23:36] <ppf> xplisit: not really
[23:36] <xplisit> intresting
[23:36] <pos> xplisit, "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[23:36] <ppf> you can, of course, but it isn't nicer than typing sudo twice
[23:36] <pos> xplisit, "apt-get update && apt-get -Y upgrade"
[23:36] <xplisit> so i have to run sudo -s then the others
[23:37] <ppf> why the -s though
[23:37] <xplisit> also didnt know about the && command
[23:37] <xplisit> thank you
[23:38] <ppf> you still need the sudo twice, but yeah
[23:38] <Bashing-om> xplisit: that -s switch is (s)imulate a dry run to show what will happen of you do it for real .
[23:38] <xplisit> how would i add this to a batch file(windows terminology) so i can run the file when i want to upgrade
[23:38] <xplisit> ?
[23:38] <ppf> Bashing-om: no, it runs a shell
[23:38] <ppf> it's an argument to sudo
[23:39] <xplisit> ohhhhh i though -s was use sudo for all commands from here on out
[23:39] <xplisit> gotch
[23:39] <xplisit> a
[23:39] <Bashing-om> ppf: Oh right ! My bad .
[23:39] <ppf> xplisit: function apt-upgrade { sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade }
[23:39] <ppf> and put that into your .bashrc
[23:39] <xplisit> thank you
[23:40] <ponyrider> erm... function apt-upgrade() { ... }
[23:40] <ppf> nah, that's optional
[23:41] <ponyrider> ppf: seriously?
[23:41] <ppf> yes
[23:41] <xplisit> thanks
[23:41] <ppf> in fact, either function bla {} or bla() {} works
[23:41] <ppf> (without function)
[23:41] <xplisit> you guys are 100% more helpfull than those jerks at computerhopechat
[23:43] <ppf> mh, but it looks like bash would like a ; in there. oh well
[23:45] <nudoge> inspect whatever; make backup; do some stuff; test stuff; backup new stuff; exit #bash is effective
[23:45] <ppf> ECONTEXT


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[13:40] <Madkiss> hi folks
[13:40] <Madkiss> sforshee: are you online? :)
[13:40] <Madkiss> sforshee: i'm looking for the header packages for http://people.canonical.com/~sforshee/lp1505948/
[13:41] <sforshee> Madkiss: let me see if I still have them
[13:41] <Madkiss> that'd be superawesome :)
[13:46] <sforshee> Madkiss: I have the _amd64.deb package but I never actually built the _all.deb package
[13:47] <sforshee> anyway, I copied what I have to that same location
[13:47] <Madkiss> Okay. I've tried to apply the two patches to 4.4.5, but the second one fails.
[13:47] <Madkiss> patching file fs/fuse/fuse_i.h
[13:47] <Madkiss> Hunk #1 FAILED at 24.
[13:50] <sforshee> Madkiss: mine was based on our xenial tree, I think 4.4.4 was the latest we had applied but we also have extra patches that could maybe account for the differences
[13:50] <Madkiss> most likely. I also tried to apply against 4.2-wily and that failed for the same reason. Is there a way I can get the source you used for your build?
[13:52] <sforshee> definitely. It's at https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial, my build was based on the Ubuntu-4.4.0-11.26 tag
[13:54] <Madkiss> thanks
[14:01] <Madkiss> IOCB patch. ahum.
[14:15] <Madkiss> sforshee: you don't happen to have the source tree still available, right?
[14:18] <mamarley> Hmm, 4.4.0-12.28 seems to have disappeared from Proposed in Xenial.
[14:21] <sforshee> Madkiss: I still have the source, yes
[14:21] <Madkiss> fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers <= should give us the debs we're looking for, no
[14:21] <Madkiss> ?
[14:22] <apw> mamarley, its prolly on its way to -release, it dissappears in launchpad's view for a bit during that though it is always published in the archive proper in one or the other at all times
[14:22] <Madkiss> apw: we fixed the fuse bug ;)
[14:22] <Madkiss> or rather, Robert Doebbelin did.
[14:22] <apw> Madkiss, nice ... do you have a pointer to the fix ?
[14:22] <apw> rtg, ^ we might want to consider this for your -13
[14:23] <mamarley> apw: Ah, OK.  Thanks!  I was wondering if it might have something to do with 4.4.5 that had just been released.
[14:23] <Madkiss> apw: sforshee already has it
[14:23] <Madkiss> http://people.canonical.com/~sforshee/lp1505948/
[14:23] <sforshee> Madkiss: I'll build the header package for you, I'll let you know when it's done
[14:25] <Madkiss> sforshee: thanks a bunch
[14:25] <apw> sforshee, are those ready for primetime, or is testing still on going ?
[14:26] <sforshee> apw: depends on how aggressive you want to be. I was going to send them upstream today after I test build on 4.5.
[14:26] <apw> sforshee, ok sounds good, rtg ignore me
[14:51] <sforshee> Madkiss: both the header packages are there now
[14:51] <Madkiss> excellent, thanks!
[15:00] <Madkiss> Okay. It looks like these do not work OOTB on Trusty systems with DKMS-enabled modules (because gcc 4.9 is required)
[15:01] <apw> Madkiss, that is a xenial kernel, so yeah the dkms issues have not yet been worked out
[15:01] <Madkiss> What's the correct way to get these patches into the lts kernel for trusty?
[15:02] <apw> into the lts-xenial kernel ?  that will occur naturally, if you mena another one, then we need to get that info added to the bug (if not there already) so we remeber to do that
[15:04] <Madkiss> linux-signed-image-generic-lts-wily in 14.04 is the one I mean
[15:04] <apw> right so you want it in the wily family, so sforshee needs to submit those for sru once they are safe enough to get into xenial
[15:08]  * Madkiss starts crying
[15:11] <apw> Madkiss, heh, grinding out patches takes time ... though i am sure sforshee could make you an lts-wily with them applied too
[15:11] <apw> for testin
[15:11] <Madkiss> i'm already on it
[15:13] <Madkiss> arrr