[01:20] <JontheEchidna> the new screen locker is... much more 21st century ;-)
[01:21] <ScottK> Is it reliable?
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> should be http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/10/new-screen-locker/
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:55] <ScottK> yofel: Now that I've accepted everything, I checked Ninjas and it's clear we got them all.
[14:55] <ScottK> 4.9.4 tarballs available, BTW.
[14:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Are GFDL invariant sections allowed under KDE licensing policy?
[17:05] <ScottK> 4.9.3 from quantal-proposed seems to be running fine here.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ScottK, my HW is older so the new 3.7 kernel freezes at my wireless KB recognition , and I have hard reboot , and the 3.5 kernel doesn't fails on the nvidia additional driver install here , so I'm going to wait for the alpha before I try 13.04 again
[17:09] <BluesKaj> have to hard reboot
[17:09] <ScottK> Did you talk to Ubuntu kernel people/file bugs?
[21:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Were you ever able to test the rebuilt kphotoalbum?
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: anything to test in particular?
[21:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307148#c9 - Not really.
[21:34] <ScottK> I'd just like to give upstream some feedback so maybe they'll release the changes ...
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> well, uh, it seems to run at least; but I've never used the program before
[21:36] <ScottK> It looks like almost anything involving image manipulations would test the libkipi integration.
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> I get a nice crash when kipi-plugins is installed
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> (will report on the bug)
[21:39] <yofel> about the screenlocker: here it's about the same as the old one except for the much better UI. It still locks the screen AFTER waking up from suspend so I still see my desktop for a moment
[21:39] <ScottK> Excellent.  Thanks.
[21:39] <ScottK> yofel: Ready to take a crack at 4.9.4?
[21:40] <yofel> I'm fixing neon up for raring, can look at it in an hour or so
[21:40] <ScottK> Great.
[21:40] <ScottK> 4.9.3 is all in updates and I installed it.
[21:40] <ScottK> err proposed
[21:40] <ScottK> Seems good so far.
[23:44]  * yofel goes building 4.9.4
[23:58] <yofel> lot's of packages are skipped, so this should be a relaxing update


[11:39] <tsimpson> rww: it's not nick based, it's identify-msg bases (which lets you know if the current nick is identified with services)
[11:40] <tsimpson> though the supybot user database is nick/host based, so it's a manual process to add new nicks
[11:40] <tsimpson> patch if you have a better idea :)
[11:46] <IdleOne> why does the bot use nick/host for the user database if it already checks if the user is identified with services to the correct account?
[11:53] <IdleOne> if that is a silly question please tell me :/
[12:04] <tsimpson> its users database is based on nick and host, but we also verify that the nick is identified
[12:04] <tsimpson> instead of using passwords with the bot
[12:05] <IdleOne> right, I get that. Why not make the user database account based. so that when it checks if the user is identified to the correct account it does need to also check what nick it is using
[12:05] <IdleOne> does not need*
[12:17] <tsimpson> IdleOne: because, it's the supybot database and I don't control that
[12:17] <tsimpson> and because someone will have to write the account checking part
[12:18] <IdleOne> I nominate rww
[12:18] <tsimpson> right now it checks that the nick you're using is identified to the account which owns it, and then checks if the nick/host is in the users database
[13:26] <DJones> popey: Thanks for the quick reaction banning energy
[13:27] <popey> np
[13:27] <popey> i dont do much op duties, sorry
[14:27] <DJones> no worries


[06:27] <AnAnt> Hello, will be there any theming for the new GDM ?
[08:26] <thorwil> kwwii: morning! that Duberman guy who wanted to use tinypic deleted his submissions with a comment of "ok, bye". his attachments are still there. wrote another message, this time via LP, with this text: http://pastebin.com/d7612785c
[10:04] <kwwii> boah, how stupid can you get
[10:05] <lassegul> were they any good?
[10:12] <FLOZz> hi
[10:23] <thorwil> lassegul: just good enough to write him
[10:23] <thorwil> kwwii: how dare you apply terms i avoided!! :)
[11:54] <kwwii> thorwil: hehe
[22:32] <MDC1> hi guys, you don't happen to know a little bit of g_signaling?
[22:36] <knome> suppose this is quite a bad channel to ask about that.
[22:36] <knome> most of us are only artists.
[23:17] <benjamim> Hy guys, what's up !?
[23:19] <knome>
[23:20] <benjamim> nothing here...
[23:20] <knome> yep.


[00:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sounds reasonable to me - make up that Discourse "mockup" and beat up on it to find our bugs :D
[00:43] <krytarik> I now also got a variant of the wiki2forum script to do the same based on a Discourse post.
[00:43] <Bashing-om> krytarik: : Mastodon >> popey: @Bashingom Ok, created @UbuntuWeeklyNews which will post using the https://fridge.ubuntu.com/category/news/feed/ feed on the fridge. It would be nice if there was a category for "uwn" rather than using the generic "news" feed, as other stuff sometimes shows up in that feed. Any chance when posting to the fridge, you can add that category in addition to "news" and
[00:44] <Bashing-om> "planet"?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Anyway we can make such ^ a reality ?
[00:46] <krytarik> Welp, it would have been better to create a more generic account like "UbuntuFridge" or "UbuntuNews" (while I've recently noticed the latter exists with another purpose already) - but yes, we'd like to base the posts there on the "Planet" category.
[00:51] <krytarik> That was our idea anyway.. also I think an account with only the newsletter would be rather limited and boring to the followers.. :3
[01:01] <guiverc> I don't see a problem with an additional category on fridge; we have 'news' but I see a couple of Ubuntu Council posts using that tag (https://fridge.ubuntu.com/category/news/page/3/) where we can't stop others posting from fridge to do that (those were me; I can remove 'news' tags on those)
[01:11] <krytarik> I mean yes, adding yet another category is no problem, but 1.) we need to ask ourselves if we really want to limit our presence on Mastodon to just the UWN (creating another bot account there which does all the Planet posts would be even more crappy and nonsensical (we wouldn't be able then to filter out the UWN posts)), and 2.) we'd have to add the new dedicated category to all the past ...
[01:11] <krytarik> ... UWN posts and I'm also not sure we should cater to just Mastodon in this way..
[01:12]  * guiverc has removed the 'news' category on CC posts that it  (for the record)
[01:13] <guiverc> fyi:  if it's Ubuntu News; release posts etc. are to me News still (even if covered in weekly newsletters that publish on another day)
[01:14] <krytarik> To be honest, we could also drop the "News" category at all, since it's what the site is about.. >_>
[01:24] <krytarik> (Yes, I'm more kidding..)
[01:31] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Pass back to popey " but yes, we'd like to base the posts there on the "Planet" category." ?
[01:33] <krytarik> Well yes, but obviously not under the current "UbuntuWeeklyNews" name.
[02:00] <guiverc> Bashing-om, the 'planet' category is what causes the posts to be picked up on Planet Ubuntu...   that category has a purpose
[02:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do live and learn - thanks :D
[02:15] <krytarik> guiverc: Yes, it does.. but it'd be the same as on Mastodon, which is spread info more widely that we deem interesting to a wider audience - and I got the feeling yesterday we agreed that'd be the category to use then.
[02:16] <guiverc> a new 'category' of mastodon, if that was 'agreed' yesterday, sorry I missed that.. but have no issues with its use at all
[02:22] <krytarik> Well, it seems you didn't specifically reply on my suggestion to simply re-use the Planet category for this, but I do feel it's appropriate since it's for the same scope and we wouldn't have to do anything special for Mastodon - since of course the News category can't be used for it either.
[02:24] <guiverc> I possibly didn't reply as I didn't understand sorry.. still trying to re-read ^ in my hexchat
[02:27] <krytarik> I'd rather avoid having a dedicated category for every platform we aggregate to.. :P
[02:28] <guiverc> understood & concur; to me 'news' fits best (& I removed the category from the 3 CC posts that used it that I saw)
[02:30] <krytarik> Question then though after you've decided those kind of posts don't get to use the News category anymore.. is there any kind of post left still that would be tagged News but not Planet? XD
[02:32] <guiverc> To me, we (ubuntu news) don't own planet (like we don't fridge), thus can't stop other users (councils etc) posting & deciding to use one without the other, but I can't see why Ubuntu news (us) would post using News WITHOUT Planet... Planet increases readship which is what Ubuntu News want.
[02:34] <guiverc> if there are any with only one of News/Planet... I suspect TYPO/error  (and hopefully not me who did it; I've attempted to fix any booboos I made)
[02:36] <krytarik> Yes, because until now usually the only posts that had the News category but not the Planet one *were* those nasty kind of ones.
[02:36] <guiverc> they weren't from us (Ubuntu News) though :)
[02:37] <krytarik> Yes, they weren't.
[02:37] <guiverc> s/nasty/less-friendly/ ?  but :) @ Yes they weren't
[02:41] <krytarik> But given those were tagged News and were done by folks who may not usually follow discussion here, I'm still not convinced tieing the Mastodon bot to the category is the best idea.
[02:42] <krytarik> Because generic categories like that are easily yolo'd in.
[02:43] <guiverc> Concur
[02:47] <Bashing-om> Currently on Mastodon: Ubuntu Weekly News links to https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/02/06/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-773/ .
[02:48] <krytarik> Of course, the ideal solution here would be being able to manually post via an entity account like that, it'd also enable us to use custom text on it rather than what I think would be post title and URL - but that doesn't seem to be possible yet at least on the Ubuntu instance.
[02:49] <krytarik> I think the issue there may be that you need an @ubuntu.com address to create an account, and you may be disallowed to use it on any more than one.
[02:53] <krytarik> Hah, it already got 30 followers. XD
[03:01] <Bashing-om> krytarik is so popular :P 30 and just starting !
[03:02] <guiverc> 30 is more than the 22 that telegram has, and telegram has been up for some time...
[03:07] <krytarik> Heh, the Twitter one also only got 480 and considering how long that's been up..  Also, apparently there is an "ubuntunews" account alongside our "Ubuntu_News" one. :o
[03:19] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Btw, it always found it odd that the lower-level headers of the UWN are italicized on the forums, which I got reminded of in context of adapting the scripts to a potential Discourse workflow - then I noticed that we specifically told the forums to do so, by the wiki2forum script.. >_<  I've already changed it locally here and the idea is to commit it alongside the other changes ...
[03:19] <krytarik> ... later, but if you want to change that in your local copy too, I could tell you which bits that are.
[03:21]  * guiverc also stunned at ubuntunews on twitter; more followers than ubuntu_news.. lost account maybe?
[03:22] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Sure - let us keep things uniform :) what changes ?
[03:25] <krytarik> https://paste.opendev.org/show/bu5rd7DFIXSk8qqjrc5e/ - this is the full diff on the script currently, but you really only need to decrease the number of apostrophes in the middle part yet (from 5 to 3).
[03:26] <Bashing-om> krytarik: looking :)
[03:28] <krytarik> The "drop wiki-specific markup" part is usually covered by the publish script, but since I needed to run these scripts directly.. which is specifically the usage anyway and so..
[03:29] <krytarik> guiverc: Yeah, I feel like remembering something like that..
[03:36] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Vonfirm my thinking, please. reformat.py >> wiki-heading levels (2 and 3). Make it like so " return "'''[SIZE=\"3\"]%s[/SIZE]'''" %  " ?
[03:36] <Bashing-om> Confirm*
[03:37] <krytarik> Yeah, just with their respective sizes of course.
[03:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :D Making it so.
[08:49] <popey> o/
[15:52] <aaronprisk[m]> Hello popey, are you around by chance?
[16:34] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Is open-source as secure as proprietary software? @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/does-open-source-software-have-the-same-safety-as-proprietary-software


[01:18] <gilbertl> hi
[01:18] <gilbertl> what is the opposite of set -e ?
[01:19] <gilbertl> upstart seems to be skipping some commands and I want to make sure that is the case
[01:19] <gilbertl> (that the skipping is caused by previous errors)
[09:51] <ryoohki> what is the proper way to stop processes starting on boot?  "chkconfig service off"  that kind of thing
[09:52] <jhunt> ryoohki: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting
[10:20] <ryoohki> manual
[10:20] <ryoohki> jhunt: thanks!
[10:30] <ryoohki> jhunt: will there be a command like "initctrl service manual" which would create a /etc/init/service.override file with a manual stanza?
[10:32] <jhunt> ryoohki: yes, we are working on a new initctl command that will allow jobs to be disabled.
[17:57] <briandquinn> hi all, is there a way to allow a standard user control upstart jobs without sudo?


[02:34] <jphilips> bluesabre: what is the difference between the 4.14 and 4.16 panel layouts, as they look identical when i tested them
[10:44] <bluesabre> jphilips: changelog issue, it seems like packages with epochs are bugged, created an issue for it here: https://github.com/bluesabre/planet.bluesabre.org/issues/1, thanks for the heads up
[10:44] <ubot3> Issue 1 in bluesabre/planet.bluesabre.org "Ubuntu packages with epochs are not correctly linked" [Open]
[10:45] <bluesabre> jphilips: 4.14 vs 4.16, dark mode, set icon size on the panels, "Applications Menu" > "Applications" on the app menu menu, removal of some deprecated settings... so very little
[11:05] <jphilips> high cpu performance bug fixed in 4.14.5 - https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/-/issues/351
[11:05] <ubot3> Issue 351 in xfce/xfwm4 "xfwm4 hanging and using too much cpu time" [Closed]
[11:05] <jphilips> AMD GLX bug - https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/-/commit/bb38fd909ad59b03aa3446799380a897a7ac481f#9f621eb5fd3bcb2fa5c7bd228c9b1ad42edc46c8_1_4
[11:05] <ubot3> Commit bb38fd9 in xfce/xfwm4 "Release 4.14.2!"
[11:10] <bluesabre> jphilips: thanks, I'll work on putting together the SRU documentation and packaging tonight
[11:15] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks


[03:36] <ViperVenom> Hi I burned the iso to a CD and when it boots a purple screen comes up with a picture of a keyboard, an equal sign, and a stick figure. After awhile, my screen starts flashing red/green/blue/white and the CD drive is going crazy scanning really fast. Is this normal, because after a minute of this going on I decided to force shutdown.
[11:19] <brendand> can anyone give any hints on what i should be looking for when i see a 'No root file system defined' error in d-i?
[11:19] <brendand> to find the root cause
[11:20] <ogra_> i think thats shown if you missed to assign / in the partitioner
[11:21] <cjwatson> indeed
[11:21] <cjwatson> probably broken preseeding
[11:21] <cjwatson> should be some hints in the syslog
[11:22] <brendand> cjwatson - that's what i was getting at. what kind of hints?
[11:24] <cjwatson> don't know, have a look :-)  should be somewhere down near the end if any
[11:32] <brendand> d-i partman-auto/method string regular
[11:32] <brendand> that's in the preseed. shouldn't everything be automatic then?
[11:43] <cjwatson> presumably something went wrong.  I can't guess from only that
[11:43] <brendand> where's the preseed stored on the system installed
[11:43] <cjwatson> it's not
[12:55] <sekon_> Hello,
[12:55] <sekon_> Howdo you change/modify  the ubuntu branding during ubiquity bootup
[12:55] <sekon_> it looks like changing plymouth themes does not seem to have any effect
[12:56] <sekon_> while the live installer is booting up
[12:56] <sekon_> i.e for a kubuntu installation, changing /lib/plymouth/kubuntu-[logo|text]/*
[12:57] <sekon_> does not seem to affect presentation while the installer is being booted up from install media
[13:02] <cjwatson> you might need to update the initramfs
[13:05] <sekon_> cjwatson: i patches files inside $CDROM/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[13:05] <sekon_> while cdrom is booting up text comes up as kubuntu
[13:05] <sekon_> but once the live DVD bootsup
[13:05] <cjwatson> you don't need to repeat; I understand.  some of those files are copied into the initramfs
[13:05] <sekon_> i run plymouth it shows the text that i have done
[13:06] <sekon_> on liveDVD there is an initramfs ??
[13:06] <cjwatson> of course
[13:07] <cjwatson> it wouldn't know how to mount the squashfs etc. otherwise
[13:07] <sekon_> Ah .. thanks :) .. if you dont mind i will ping back if i get stuck (not you personally)
[13:07] <cjwatson> bind-mount /proc /sys /dev into your read-write environment that you pack up into a squashfs, chroot into that environment, update-initramfs -u
[13:07] <cjwatson> something along those lines should do
[14:12] <sekon_> cjwatson: Just FYI ish .. i was  not updating casper/initrd.lz
[14:14] <sekon_> thanks for all your help ..
[18:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5110 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[18:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * GTK frontend:
[18:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  - Some automatic partitioning options change the text on the next button
[18:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  to "Install Now". Make sure that this works even when changing to the
[18:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  automatic partitioning page with one of those options automatically
[18:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  selected (LP: #766265).
[18:39] <infinity> cjwatson: Do you see any issues with pushing my mklibs/rootskel changes to Debian?  (Both need to go in together, as rootskel's linking breaks mklibs trying to do sane things)
[18:39] <cjwatson> Not particularly; you have upstream commit access, don't you?
[18:40] <cjwatson> Oh, hm, I wonder if there'll be testing/unstable sync issues
[18:40] <infinity> Not that I know of.
[18:40] <cjwatson> Because I suspect that unstable mklibs will sometimes be used to build testing images or vice versa.  I always forget exactly how the daily build regime wors.
[18:41] <cjwatson> *works
[18:41] <infinity> The testing thing is kinda sticky, given that one is a udeb, and the other a deb...
[18:41] <cjwatson> Indeed.  Is there any way we can decouple this a bit?
[18:41] <cjwatson> I'd suggest posting patches to debian-boot@ and see what thoughts people have
[18:41] <infinity> I could maybe make mklibs fall back on its previous (broken) behaviour if /lib64 exists and is a symlink...
[18:42] <cjwatson> Yeah, something like that
[18:42] <cjwatson> I think it needs a sort of organisational review from people who remember exactly how Debian's daily builds work, though
[18:43] <infinity> Yeah, that's fair.  I'll give some thought to further tidying and then post something.
[18:44] <infinity> After I finish this eglibc merge of doom... 4MB diff, my ass.
[18:46] <infinity> cjwatson: On the positive side, ubiquity/oem-config "Just Works" on armhf, now that we fixed a procps bug that was blocking us. :P
[18:46] <infinity> cjwatson: So, I have an installed-from-official-image precise/armhf on my panda.
[19:15] <stgraber> sweet, guess I'll do that on my panda later this week then (before leaving for a month on another continent)
[20:08] <cjwatson> infinity: nice
[20:08] <infinity> stgraber: Heh.


[00:14] <ThomasWard[m]> tomreyn: may I make a suggestion?
[00:15] <ThomasWard[m]> stop
[00:15] <ThomasWard[m]> you already told Lubuntu about ours, then you prod Studio, who else you prodding with things?  Headers sometimes are annoying and useful but at the same time they can cause grief
[00:15] <ThomasWard[m]> just look through the hellstorm on discourse.lubuntu.me in the support threads before I got the CSP juuuust right to get everything working
[00:16] <ThomasWard[m]> THEN look how complicated that crap got in the CSP record
 "tomreyn: It's also Wordpress, so..." <- most of these things get applied @ web server level before handed off to PHP
[00:16] <ThomasWard[m]> see discourse.lubuntu.me, lubuntu.me, etc.
[00:16] <ThomasWard[m]> and literally any site i've worked on and run :P
[01:28] <tomreyn> ThomasWard[m]: sorry if i got no your nerves by suggesting imrpovements on multiple channels. i wasn't aware you host / manage all of these sites. (i did mention CSP can be complicated.)
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> i don't
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> not for studio anyways
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> but it's one of those "Yikes we don't all have touchy power" on them all
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> for Lubuntu I do
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> as for Studio... :P
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> IS runs that, they have some kind of templated wordpress instance and stuff
[02:39] <ThomasWard[m]> so no way to easily add headers
[10:28] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer: how do I test from proposed? I followed the directions to enable it but after `apt update` studio controls is still the "newest version" in other words, not the one from proposed.
[15:40] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: From Konsole (this is a kludge workaround for now because of a breakage), type "sudo software-properties-qt". Go to the "Developer Options" tab, check "Pre-Release Updates" box. Close the window, allow it to do its refresh, then back in Konsole, "sudo apt install studio-controls".
[15:41] <Eickmeyer> Let studio-controls upgrade, then reverse what you did before in software-properties-qt as to not accidentally grab other packages in an update.
[16:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, so I can see that my messages didn't make it across the bridge, so let's do this again.
 "Eickmeyer: how do I test from..." <- From Konsole (this is a kludge workaround for now because of a breakage), type "sudo software-properties-qt". Go to the "Developer Options" tab, check "Pre-Release Updates" box. Close the window, allow it to do its refresh, then back in Konsole, "sudo apt install studio-controls".
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let studio-controls upgrade, then reverse what you did before in software-properties-qt as to not accidentally grab other packages in an update.
[17:48] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, I'll try that. I did the nerd terminal way of adding the apt sources by hand. 😜
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: I tell the guy I work for that's doing Linux on hard mode. I prefer easy mode myself. XD
 "Brian Hechinger: I tell the..." <- I've been doing UNIX since the early 90s. The hard way is the right way. 🤣
[21:31] <OvenWerk1> The hard way is the easy way?


[14:29] <juergh> Fixing mainline builds is being worked on, no need for constant nagging.
[16:59] <Guest92> good morning cuties


[07:26] <m4n1sh> in .install file, I have a bunch of files under python2.7 directory
[07:26] <m4n1sh> I am putting in install file
[07:26] <m4n1sh> usr/lib/python2*/* usr/lib/python3*/
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <m4n1sh> hoping those folders to be copied inside all the python3 python3.3 folders
[07:27] <m4n1sh> but it isnt
[07:27] <m4n1sh> do I need to hardcode paths usr/lib/python2*/* usr/lib/python3.3/
[07:29] <geser> what are you trying to do?
[07:30] <m4n1sh> I have a package which has a bunch of python files which installs in python2.7 location
[07:30] <m4n1sh> I need them to also have in python3.x directory
[07:31] <m4n1sh> geser: check python-zeitgeist package, I want to have python3-zeitgeist package too which installs in python3 dist-packages for ubuntu
[07:35] <geser> m4n1sh: I guess you need to use dh_python3 and let setup.py run with python3 to install it to the right directories (most can be done with dh if you tell it to build for python3 too)
[07:38] <m4n1sh> geser: it uses automake
[07:38] <m4n1sh> python-zeitgeist is a part of bigger package
[07:39] <geser> does it work with python3?
[07:40] <m4n1sh> geser: noes. when running with python3, it cannot import packages
[07:41] <geser> does upstream support to run it with python3 or does it need some porting first to be able to run with python2 and python3?
[07:43] <m4n1sh> geser: upstream doesn't support. Most probably due to an unknown technical restriction http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17541207/am-path-python-for-python2-and-python3
[07:44] <m4n1sh> because automake's AM_PATH_PYTHON cannot handle two python version at a time, or there is a way around which I am not aware of
[07:48] <geser> you might need to have to build it twice then, once for python2 and once for python3 (if upstreams allows to set python to python3)
[07:49] <geser> perhaps barry has some more ideas what needed to get a python3 package for it too
[07:52] <m4n1sh> geser: you mean to say another source package?
[07:52] <m4n1sh> or in the debian/rules change it in such a way that it builds twice?
[07:53] <geser> m4n1sh: the later
[07:54] <m4n1sh> geser: well, I have no idea how that has to be done, but AFAIK the python2.7 version can also work for python3.3 without any change
[07:55] <geser> google knows about a lp:~ev/zeitgeist/python3 branch, perhaps ask ev in #ubuntu-devel about the status of it
[08:00] <tumbleweed> if this is a pure-python package and the same source works with python & python3, you can use .pyinstall files or dh_install to install it for python3
[08:04] <m4n1sh> tumbleweed: yes. it is pure python package
[08:05] <m4n1sh> you mean no seperate python3-zeitgeist package?
[08:05] <m4n1sh> python-zeitgeist will install in python2.7 and python3.3 both?
[08:07] <tumbleweed> one source building multiple binary packages
[08:07] <tumbleweed> we always have python and python3 in separate binary packages
[08:08] <geser> tumbleweed: I didn't look at the package but I assume it's python bindings for a C library (build from the same source)
[08:08] <tumbleweed> I'd assume so too, if it's using autotools
[08:09] <m4n1sh> geser: it isn't a binding over C, it is a pure python package which wraps over dbus interface
[08:09] <m4n1sh> C bindings too wrap over dbus interface
[08:09] <tumbleweed> also, fyi, the source package is zeitgeist not python-zeitgeist
[08:10] <tumbleweed> anyway, it contains a bunch of C
[08:10] <m4n1sh> yeah. python-zeitgeist is a binary package of source package
[08:10] <m4n1sh> source package zeitgeist contains C library package named libzeitgeist-2.0 and python library/module package named python-zeitgeist which is right now installing in python2.7
[08:12] <tumbleweed> it looks entirely plausible that this python works unmodified under python3. have you tested it?
[08:13] <m4n1sh> not very exhaustively, but yes, it works
[08:14] <tumbleweed> then some hacky dh_install ing is probably the easiest
[08:15] <m4n1sh> wont putting this in .install file work?
[08:15] <m4n1sh> usr/lib/python2*/* usr/lib/python3/
[08:16] <tumbleweed> should do
[08:18] <m4n1sh> should it be specifically python3 or python3.3?
[08:19] <tumbleweed> python3
[08:20] <m4n1sh> thanks
[09:00] <Noskcaj10> Is it possible to directly add apt-fast? the debian bug has halted
[17:44] <dkessel> good evening dholbach :)
[17:45] <dholbach> hi dkessel


[03:18] <NotJimCarrey> anyone know what "for thumb inter-working we require an architecture which supports blx" means when i try building node.js in an ARM environment?
[03:20] <twb> blx is probably an instruction
[03:20] <twb> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.kui0100a/armasm_cihfddaf.htm
[03:21] <twb> IIUC it's how you tell the CPU to swap from arm instructions to thumb instructions
[03:22] <twb> Sounds like you're on an M profile ARMv7 core and you simply can't have that.
[03:22] <NotJimCarrey> know how to add it?
[03:22] <twb> Get a different CPU
[03:22] <NotJimCarrey> lol
[03:23] <NotJimCarrey> ok, know a way around it?
[03:23] <twb> Or it may be you're compiling for a lowest-common-denominator that doesn't include that, although your actual target hardware does
[03:23] <twb> It may also be that BLX is only needed because that's what node.js source knows how to use, and you can either HTFS or node.js, or compile it to thumb-less ARM
[03:24] <NotJimCarrey> um, huh
[03:27] <NotJimCarrey> all i know is i have a Texas Instruments OMAP3530 system-on-chip with ARM Cortex-A8
[03:28] <twb> FWIW on oneiric, apt-get source nodejs; ./configure --without-ssl worked for me
[03:28] <lilstevie> that would seem odd
[03:28] <lilstevie> thumb is part of armv7
[03:29] <lilstevie> and there is no other way to switch between thumb and arm other than BLX
[03:31] <NotJimCarrey> trying --without-ssl
[03:31] <NotJimCarrey> same error
[03:34] <twb> lilstevie: I suspect he's doing -march armv4 or something, implicitly.
[03:35] <NotJimCarrey> i tried make CFLAGS=-march=armv5t earlier, but no go
[03:36] <twb> lilstevie: ARMv7-M apparently lacks BLX
[03:36] <twb> Ref. previous link
[03:38] <NotJimCarrey> should it be "make CFLAGS=-march=armv5t" or "make CFLAGS='-march=armv5t'"?
[03:42] <lilstevie> -march is going to fail
[03:42] <lilstevie> :p
[03:42] <lilstevie> well not going to fail
[03:42] <lilstevie> but is fail
[03:43] <lilstevie> if you are targetting ubuntu-arm you should be targetting armv7
[03:43] <lilstevie> so -march=armv7
[03:43] <NotJimCarrey> thought armv7 didn't support blx?
[03:43] <lilstevie> all armv7 except armv7-m do
[03:43] <NotJimCarrey> ah
[03:44] <NotJimCarrey> ok, do i add CFLAGS=-march=armv7 to make or configure?
[03:45] <NotJimCarrey> nm, obvioulsy not configure since that didn't work
[03:47] <twb> CFLAGS may not be being passed the way you expect
[03:47] <NotJimCarrey> hrmm, "make CFLAGS=-march=armv7" returns "target CPU does not support ARM mode"
[03:51] <lilstevie> 0.o
[03:53] <NotJimCarrey> ok, looking through macro-assembler-arm.cc, i found the error message with "If you know what CPU you are compiling for you can use -march=armv7 or similar", but how am i suppose to use it
[03:53] <twb> You probably need to pass it to waf in some manner like ./waf --extra-ccflags
[03:53] <twb> Note also nodejs v8 code appears to be C++ not C, so CXXFLAGS not CFLAGS
[03:54] <NotJimCarrey> ah
[03:54] <twb> Or both, or whatever
[03:54] <twb> Usually when dealing with this kind of thing you end up having to debug / rewrite upstream's idiotic makefile / configure.ac / wscript / whatever
[03:54] <NotJimCarrey> lol
[04:00] <NotJimCarrey> well, "make CXXFLAGS=-march=armv7" gave me the no arm support error, bot "make CXXFLAGS=-march=armv5t" is still going
[04:19] <NotJimCarrey> yay, still going
[04:34] <NotJimCarrey> dammit, now getting: pure virtual method called. terminate called withough an active exception
[04:34] <twb> Why are you compiling nodejs anyway
[04:35] <NotJimCarrey> for koush
[04:35] <NotJimCarrey> oops
[04:35] <NotJimCarrey> for koush's tether app, so it can run on arm systems (specifically, openpandora)
[04:35] <twb> NotJimCarrey: I mean, why don't you just apt-get install it
[04:36] <NotJimCarrey> tried using it, but got errors
[04:36] <twb> Did you investigate them?
[04:36] <NotJimCarrey> think koush modified it for tap/tun support
[04:38] <calculus> how can I get audio over hdmi (ubuntu 11.10 on pandaboard)?
[04:38] <NotJimCarrey> if i run the script with the node.js from the angstrom repo, i get "unable to open tun/tap device"
[04:38] <twb> That's more likely to be either a permissions issue or you don't have a tun or tap device yet
[04:39] <NotJimCarrey> well, running it sudo because it uses adb
[04:39] <twb> blergh
[04:39] <twb> Well, whatever.
[10:30] <ogra_> infinity, Bug 890261
[10:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 890261 in ubiquity "can not execute oem-config in a chrooted environment" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890261
[10:30] <infinity> ogra_: Danke.
[11:24] <janimo> ogra_, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=jani/ubuntu-ac100.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/packaging-chromeos-ac100-3.0
[11:25] <janimo> UBUNTU SAUCE commit, seventh from top
[11:25] <janimo> that should be the quietening patch
[11:25] <janimo> but it doesnot seem to have effect on mine either
[11:29] <ogra_> weird weird
[11:29] <ogra_> probably the bits we actually see are not using the proper kernel interface
[11:31] <ogra_> (the logging functions i mean)
[11:32] <ogra_> it all seems to come from non std drivers
[11:32] <ogra_> i.e. the < ... > i see seem to come from tegrapart
[11:39] <ogra_> janimo, http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/third_party/kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=7abaad6c574bbdc0dd66820eaf006857dac6c4e7
[11:39] <ogra_> sight
[11:40] <ogra_> (commit from tonight)
[11:40] <ogra_> *sigh even
[11:49] <janimo> ogra_, yeah, I hopemarvin24 picks those up too and takes out the unneeded options from defconfig. I'll NFS and the other important ones so we keep the config delta minimal
[11:50] <ogra_> janimo, well, i'm not really thrilled about losing power management completely
[11:51] <janimo> ogra_, well if it seems that is does not affect ac100 we can leave it on
[11:51] <ogra_> right
[11:51] <janimo> the latest kernel (3.0.8 from stable) is stable so far
[11:51] <ogra_> seems a bit broad to just disable it for all tegra
[12:29] <mythos> hello there
[12:30] <mythos> i have a little question. i see, there are kernel-flavours for different arm-based devices. but they use the same repository, i guess. am i right?
[12:53] <mythos> sorry, but where do i find an arm-rootfs for a qemu-chroot environment?
[12:55] <mythos> or is debootstrap the way to go?
[13:02] <OlivierN1> mythos: kernel can be easily cross-compiled. For other components, there are various solutions but generally native ARM build is the safest (tough often slowest)
[13:02] <OlivierN1> *though
[13:03] <mythos> thank you, OlivierN1
[13:03] <mythos> but i'm not so far that i can go on a real hardware
[13:04] <marvin24> janimo: if the kernel turns out to be stable, you may activate the frontswap option in the next cycle
[13:04] <mythos> so i would be happy, if i got a running chroot environment with qemu-static-arm, so i can start to mess around
[13:04] <marvin24> so people don't need to mess around with zram/swap stuff anymore
[13:05] <janimo> marvin24, 3.0.13 you mean?
[13:06] <marvin24> janimo: no, it is there in 3.0.8 already
[13:06] <marvin24> just not on by default
[13:06] <OlivierN1> mythos: other people here can help on the qemu front. Personally I use native build.
[13:06] <janimo> ok, 3.0.8 is stable using your stable tree
[13:06] <janimo> been running since yesterday without lockup
[13:06] <marvin24> nice!
[13:07] <janimo> any news on 3.0.13? Is that the latest version that chromeos works on?
[13:07] <marvin24> still haven't found the bug in 3.0.13 <- not so nice
[13:07] <mythos> OlivierN1, no problem. i found a good tutorial for debian using multiarch. i'm going to try and hope for the best =)
[13:17] <mythos> hmm.... where do i find the arm-debs for eg maverick? ^^"
[13:23] <mythos> ah, found it: ports.ubuntu.com
[14:21] <janimo> lilstevie, do you know if anyone is working on a 3.x based transformer kernel?
[14:22] <kerute> i'd like to know that too :)
[14:46] <lilstevie> janimo: at present no
[14:47] <lilstevie> janimo: working towards it though
[14:47] <janimo> lilstevie, ok, thanks :)
[14:47] <janimo> anything in common with the ac100/chromeos tree?
[14:47] <janimo> It'd be nice if we could share the same package in ubuntu for as many tegra based hw as possible
[14:47] <lilstevie> janimo: more in common with ventana
[14:48] <lilstevie> janimo: that is possible
[14:48] <lilstevie> janimo: ac100 bl reports harmony while tf101 reports ventana, so no messy hacks would be required either
[15:11] <mythos> OlivierN1, for a native built-environment, do you use a nfs-rootfs for the arm-device?
[15:12] <OlivierN1> mythos: brb
[16:20] <OlivierN1> mythos: you may use NFS, SD card, eMMC, USB stick, etc. But the fastest by far (at least on Panda board) is a USB hard drive, especially for native build.
[16:20] <mythos> OlivierN1, thanks for the advice =)
[16:29] <mythos> i was able to get a chroot environment, so i'm quite happy =D
[16:47] <Sage> how is one supposed to create .config for http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=integration/kernel-ubuntu.git;a=commit;h=f0fb3e7b7b2f8c791802e136293e8aadaac14119 ?
[16:47] <Sage> not using debian or ubuntu
[16:48] <ogra_> then why do you ask in an ubuntu channel ?
[16:49] <Sage> because it is ubuntu kernel and I just want to get the configs out of it to see them as whole
[16:49] <Sage> so wondering what command does the kernel config for omap4 there
[16:49] <ogra_> they are in the debian dir split in multiple chunks usually
[16:49] <ogra_> and merged at build time
[16:50] <Sage> so omap4_defconfig doesn't do it as I assumed.
[16:51] <ogra_> omap4_defconfig will work if yuo just use make (its an upstream config after all) but not get you the same as an ubuntu package
[16:52] <Sage> well, I want to have the same as in ubuntu thus asking
[16:52] <ogra_> if you want the ubuntu config you will have to use dpkg-builpackage or call debian/rules which triggers the various scripts before rolling the package
[16:52] <Sage> hmmp
[16:53] <Sage> ok, where are the .deb files for that kernel there is config in those :)
[16:53] <ogra_> but you are probably better off to download the binary package from the archive, unpack it and pull /boot/config-$kernelversion out of the package
[16:53] <ogra_> either on launchpad or in the pool on prots.ubuntu.com
[16:53] <ogra_> *ports.
[16:55] <OlivierN1> Sage: this page may help: http://omappedia.com/wiki/Ubuntu_kernel_for_OMAP4  (section 4.1)
[16:56] <Sage> OlivierN1: well on fedora it is not so straight forwardhttp://pastie.org/3173223
[16:57] <Sage> err http://pastie.org/3173223
[16:58] <Sage> ti-ubuntu-3.0-1281.7 <- this is what I'm looking for atm. but can find only these https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[16:58] <infinity> Why live in the past?
[16:59] <Sage> if you mean that 3.2 thing those are not in http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=integration/kernel-ubuntu.git;a=summary
[16:59] <infinity> http://loki.0c3.net/~adconrad/config-3.2.0-1403-omap4 <-- The current config
[17:00] <Sage> ok, thx. And any knowledge if that works on blaze as well (screen, touch etc)?
[17:01] <infinity> Maybe?  Not sure, don't have a blaze.
[17:01] <OlivierN1> Sage: at least ti-ubuntu-3.0-1281.7 works on Blaze (LCD and touch screen are  OK, sound record/playback is upcoming)
[17:02] <Sage> OlivierN1: ok, where to get the tarball and .deb for that?
[17:03]  * Sage really don't know where to find those in launchpad
[17:03] <OlivierN1> Sage: TI public PPA is here: https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release
[17:03] <OlivierN1> (but it does not contain 3.x kernel for now)
[17:04] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 has all debs that were ever built in ubuntu
[17:04] <Sage> OlivierN1: exactly :)
[17:05] <Sage> OlivierN1: you don't happen to have .deb for that ti-ubuntu-3.0-1281.7 or even just the config from /boot/?
[17:06] <OlivierN1> Sage: basically TI PPAs is always a little behind TI trees. For now we do not consider ti-ubuntu-3.0-1281.7 as stable enough to upgrade PPA
[17:07] <Sage> OlivierN1: yes, well. You said ti-ubuntu-3.0-1281.7 works on blaze so you have compiled it and have config somewhere?
[17:08] <OlivierN1> sure
[17:08] <Sage> I'm really looking just kernel that has been tested on blaze and works, don't care so much if it is stable or not, just want to boot the damn thing and see and then think stability :)
[17:12] <Sage> OlivierN1: want to share the config? :)
[17:40] <OlivierN1> Sage: config-3.0.0-1281: http://pastebin.com/2HKn0wvS
[18:35] <Sage> OlivierN1: thx
[20:12] <Jef91> Where can I find the source archives/.debs for Ubuntu ARMEL debs?
[20:16] <mythos> ports.ubuntu.com?


[00:02] <Logan> ari-tczew: in the future, I would prefer if you asked me before taking one of my merges
[00:03] <ari-tczew> Logan: ok, I'll do
[00:03] <Logan> I didn't realize you'd already done it until I uploaded myself (and got rejected) :P
[00:03] <ari-tczew> Logan: due to CVE.. hope you're not angry
[00:03] <Logan> no worries :)
[00:04] <ari-tczew> Logan: sorry again
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[15:59] <ESphynx> dholbach: good morning :)
[15:59] <dholbach> hi ESphynx
[15:59] <ESphynx> dholbach: 4 days until we know whether we're accepted in GSoC :)
[15:59] <dholbach> nice, good luck!
[15:59] <ESphynx> I think it would give us a big push in terms of visibility :)
[15:59] <ESphynx> thanks
[16:00] <ESphynx> dholbach: we're planning a whole revamp of the graphics & GUI engine


[03:22] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, hi :) how are you
[15:32] <WaSeidel> hi there, it's me again with the same problem with my user WaSeidel on wiki.ubuntu.com


[10:09] <oshoval> Hello, following the question of last week, i have a fedora cloud image, how do i set the password of the default user there please? the current cloud.cfg it has https://pastebin.com/dveCYyPE
[10:09] <oshoval> tried without luck yet to set a user fedora:fedora there
[10:23] <meena> oshoval: what's the result? what do the logs say?
[10:46] <testcla234> alternative for this :
[10:46] <testcla234> "mounts:
[10:46] <testcla234>  - [ blkid  /dev/vg1/vol_data | awk '{print $2}', /home, "ext4", "defaults", 0 0]"
[11:06] <meena> testcla234: what makes the (U)UID any better than the name?
[11:15] <oshoval> meena: Manged to replace the user (with a mixed approach), but working on making it a root and disabling selinux, trying to do so purely with cloud-init, unless there is already an example that i can use please, so i will update
[11:16] <meena> oshoval: did you look at our documentation?
[11:17] <oshoval> yes, i didn't manage yet, i guess i missed some stuff
[11:22] <testcla234> meena changed to name;)
[11:25] <testcla234> meena thansk !
[11:26] <meena> 😽
[19:33] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: I'm +1 on https://github.com/canonical/pycloudlib/pull/113, I'll let you land it. :)
[23:38] <testcla234> anyone know how to add user in docker group and enable the group  without logout


[10:10] <Fudge> hi guys
[18:08] <Pendulum> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals-
[20:54] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Thanks, subscribed.
[21:12] <AlanBell> how did that end up with a - at the end of the URL?
[21:22] <valorie> so Mr. Shuttleworth mentioned the team: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/810
[21:22] <valorie> perhaps there will be some Canonical attention paid?
[21:23] <AlanBell> yes :)
[21:24] <AlanBell> I need to re-record those videos
[21:24] <AlanBell> wonder what happened to the onboard in -proposed
[21:26] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Has it been verified as ok?
[21:26] <AlanBell> no, I verified it as not quite OK
[21:26] <AlanBell>  the scanning keyboard has return mapped to 'e'
[21:27] <TheMuso> right
[21:27] <AlanBell> that has been fixed in trunk
[21:27] <TheMuso> I think Francisco proposed a neer upstream version with more bugfixes. I guess I'd better link those two bugs together... I wish he just updated the existing bug.
[21:55] <AlanBell> the version in -proposed has not been updated yet
[21:58] <TheMuso> RIght, I haven't uploaded it, because I need to get the approval from the sru team.
[21:59] <AlanBell> ok


[00:24] <waltman> Bashing-om: Aha, thanks!
[00:30] <Bashing-om> waltman: Nvidia - still a sad state of affairs :(
[01:15] <waltman> Bashing-om: Oh well. At long as it works I don't really care all that much.
[01:34] <Bashing-om> waltman: I too have Nvidia graphics - pleased that nouveau works as well as we can make it so :P
[01:40] <waltman> What's nouveau?
[01:46] <Bashing-om> waltman: The open source graphic's driver for Nvidia cards.
[01:53] <waltman> ah
[02:11] <callq_> Help! Installed windows onto ubuntu - ran BootRepair tool to fix Grub - booted into ubuntu - now stuck at this one line at startup:
[02:12] <callq_> "file:///dev/nvme0n1p6: clean, 448024/138... files
[02:16] <callq_> Yeah every time I boot ubuntu is getting stuck at "/dev/nvme0n1p6: clean, 123/123123 files, 123123/123123 blocks"
[08:10] <meandrain> hi. Any ideea if it is possible to do something similar to raidz zfs on mdadm ?
[08:10] <meandrain> I want to have 5 drives striped + 1 redundancy drive
[09:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> what's the name of the startup applications app in ubuntu? I mean if I wanted to install it on another ubuntu based distro what do type with apt install?
[09:09] <EriC^^> The_LoudSpeaker: it's part of 'gnome-session-common'
[09:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay.
[09:18] <Deknos> when Ubuntu 21.04 will be easily integratable with AD, will it also be easily integratable with FreeIPA in future versions?
[09:31] <tatertots> Deknos: how much easier does it need to be for you?
[09:50] <toffo> Hi there! Any Raspberry Pi 4B devs around? I just updated my Xubuntu from 20.10 (groovy) to 21.04 (hirsute) and would have a couple of questions...
[09:52] <toffo> I ran the update via the 'update-manager -d' command and it worked alright, except libwine caused some degree of hassle with the installer and it suggested I'd bugreport it -- I do have automatic bug reporting set on and now whoopsie has been utilizing one of the cores at 100% for hours on end as its gathering for the crash data
[09:52] <toffo> the update works alright though
[09:54] <toffo> am just wondering about whoopsie's bug report since it's been doing that 100% single-core utilization for quite a while (= hours) now, I've had to reboot in between due to apt updates and it goes back to utilizing the core at 100%
[09:55] <toffo> also, at least for my Xfce, I still have the problem that I'm unable to change the screen resolution while inside Xfce unless I have the FKMS enabled...
[09:55] <nyuszika7h> I have an issue with Ubuntu 21.04, when it's locked or put to sleep and I come back to unlock it, it freezes at the lock screen for 1-2 minutes, not accepting any keyboard or mouse input
[09:56] <jak1> hi ya'll i have a question about SSO, guess what, i have an account, thats a bit old, and i dont remember the login mail :C i tried "some" of my mail addresses, but all are not registred i try to get back my old name, can someone may help me to get the mailadress of my old account? *hides*
[09:56] <toffo> nyuszika7h: I don't know if it's the same bug but I had a problem with 20.10 amd64 desktop recently after an update where I couldn't use my keyboard at all after login, I had to reset some sticky keys-related functionality and it started to work again
[09:57] <toffo> nyuszika7h: apparently it's an old GNOME bug or something
[09:59] <toffo> nyuszika7h: not sure if it's the same bug tho, but sounds very similar -- does the mouse/keyboard lock-up happen after you log back in, a.k.a. are you able to unlock it, and it freezes after that?
[09:59] <nyuszika7h> no, it freezes before I can unlock it
[09:59] <nyuszika7h> then it unfreezes after a few minutes and then I can log in and everything is fine
[10:00] <toffo> nyuszika7h: ok, then it's probably not the same lock-up bug
[10:00] <nyuszika7h> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1400243#c9 I wonder if this is related, because I have an sshfs volume mounted
[10:00] <toffo> nyuszika7h: do you have a fresh install or did you update to 21.04 ?
[10:01] <nyuszika7h> it's a pretty recent install but I installed 20.10 first and then updated to 21.04
[10:02] <toffo> nyuszika7h: oh well I've had lock-up issues on just about all my ubuntu-related linux builds related to either to lightdm, the xwindow manager's screen saver/re-login screen etc. ... seems like it's persistent issue, and it's not only on GNOME but also on Xfce etc.
[10:05] <toffo> nyuszika7h: hmm... so it could be related to polling the sshfs during wake-up? how about your power options? I noticed just the past week that on 20.10 my UI went slow a.f. and that an update had reset some of my power options, I turned off animations and especially "Suspend when laptop lid is closed" from UI Tweaks ('gnome-ui-tweaks' or what was the package called?) and it went back to normal
[10:05] <jak1> had some issues with different distros too, iirc it was something about hibernate/keyboard hooks *shrugs* (and i dont remember how to fix it, but may it helps for searching)
[10:06] <toffo> jak1: yep this case sounds like it's some sort of a hang-up when waking up from hibernation or such
[10:06] <toffo> jak1: I've also had those issues with hibernation like since forever and with all linux builds ever :D lol, I've just "solved" them by turning all power management off except for turning the monitors off
[10:07] <toffo> (^ turning the monitors off automatically after x minutes, that is)
[10:07] <jak1> :)
[10:09] <toffo> so, again, my xubuntu 21.04 question would be: is there anything I can do about whoopsie that seems to be doing "something" (htop says: /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/apport/whoopsie-upload-all )
[10:10] <toffo> there seems to be practically no internet traffic inbound or outbound, but the core utilization is just stuck at 100% for a single core
[10:11] <toffo> oh, at one point during that update (rpi4b, xubuntu 20.10 to 21.04), whoopsie errormsg'd that it ran out of its maximum number of errors to log down :D dunno if that's related
[10:11] <jak1> whoopsie is afaik the ubuntu error reporter
[10:11] <toffo> jak1: yes it is
[10:12] <toffo> and I'd be glad to send that error report to the devs since I was the happy chimpanzee who just went "hehe" yesterday and installed the 21.04 update like there's no tomorrow ;D
[10:12] <toffo> it twerks just fine tho
[10:12] <toffo> (apart from the stuck whoopsie, and the libwine errormsg's that I got during install)
[10:13] <toffo> I did record the screen into a video of the overall update process
[10:13] <jak1> settings->privacy->send error reposrts to canonical remove the X, that should help to remove the process after relog, in case u want to send it, may look in the error logs /var/log/*
[10:14] <toffo> jak1: yep I've set my error reporting to maximum to make sure that there's plenty of sleepless nights @ canonical, lol
[10:14] <jak1> lol :'D
[10:15] <toffo> but I'm a happy test chimp tho, always nice to be on the cutting edge and sometimes cut yourself too by accident while at it. anywhoos... I'll take a look
[10:16] <jak1> in case someone could help me with my SSO problem, i would be happy too ^^
[10:18] <toffo> jak1: I'd help you out if I could, mate :|
[10:19] <jak1> hmm, ty... darn brain... i get old ^^ if i only could remember that mail ._.
[10:20] <toffo> jak1: btw that option isn't there in xubuntu, I've forgotten where it is in Xfce altogether :P
[10:21] <jak1> iirc, you can also disable it in terminal
[10:21] <toffo> jak1: yep am looking at systemctl right now
[10:22] <jak1> may `vim /etc/default/whoopsie` and set the reporting to false
[10:22] <toffo> jak1: it has found an active internet connection and started to use that for a bug report over an hour ago, and the core utilization is still at 100%
[10:22] <jak1> or just apt purge whoopsie *shrugs*
[10:23] <jak1> *hides*
[10:23] <toffo> jak1: interesting, there's no "whoopsie" under /etc/default
[10:23] <jak1> hmm... weird
[10:23] <toffo> yeah I think I'll just have to nuke and pave
[10:23] <jak1> atm im on a deb. distro, so i cant rly search for it... im sorry :/
[10:24] <toffo> I mean my update from 20.10 => 21.04 did stagger a couple of times and I did get a couple of errormsg's so ...
[10:25] <toffo> ok, whoopsie purged, everything's back to normal, warning during purge that '/var/lib/whoopsie' wasn't empty, hence not removed
[10:25] <toffo> I guess I'll reboot and re-install whoopsie and see what happens
[10:25] <jak1> :)
[10:25] <jak1> have fun, gtg... cu later ;)
[10:26] <toffo> jak1_afk: thanks! have a great day and ty for helping out :)
[10:29] <toffo> oh, another remark on xubuntu 21.04 update; hddtemp keeps on nagging with every reboot that the temps are not available for /dev/sda (where I run my xubuntu from on the rpi4b), the suggested chmod u+a has no effect, I get that errormsg on every reboot, it's popped up previously when I've updated xubuntu and usually that chmod trick has been enough to make it work again
[11:30] <toffo> ok, first problem found, gnu autotools seem to have broken during update from 20.10 to 21.04
[11:30] <toffo> listutils.c complains that the loadable library and the perl binaries are mismatched
[11:32] <toffo> been trying to reinstall autoconf, automake and libtool with apt
[11:42] <toffo> Alright -- solved it already, 'env | grep PERL' showed that I had a few custom Perl variables set from my 20.10 installation in ~/.bashrc, got rid of those and it's working! :)
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:14] <toffo> I have an amd64 desktop w/ Ubuntu 20.10, wondering just how supported/safe the update at this point is? there's a warning about the EFI going haywire so that makes me a bit hesitant -- got the system backed up of course
[12:18] <toffo> the update on an rpi4b went without bigger problems, but am still a bit hesitant to try it out on a desktop, am wondering also about the murmurs I've heard over (performance?) issues w/ Nvidia cards
[12:48] <seefood> Howdie! I see a package got patched 11 hours ago on Debian, what's holding it from getting to Ubuntu LTS releases? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libimage-exiftool-perl/+bug/1925985
[12:50] <seefood> or to rephrase, is it blocked or delayed for a good reason, or does anyone here have the credentials to get it in?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> seefood: i assume this is a security bug, you could talk to the #ubuntu-hardened crew
[12:51] <seefood> lotuspsychje yup, thanks!
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust good sunday o/
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  \o
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> good sunday 2u2 :)
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[13:27] <jak1_afk> q: any ubu staff here, that has access to the sql db and can give me a part of my registred mail address by my username, plz help me :'C
[13:54] <Maik> jak1_afk: there's never a ubuntu staff here, we are all just volunteers
[13:57] <raffaem27> I have Kubuntu 20.10 but I installed the GNOME desktop and uninstalled KDE. Now I cannot upgrade to 21.04. "Software Updater" doesn't show the upgrade. `do-release-upgrade` shows no update either. I have the option to notify me of release to any new version enabled.
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> raffaem27: upgrade path might not be open yet perhaps
[13:59] <raffaem27> lotuspsychje what is the upgrade path? This website contains instruction to update: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/04/upgrade-ubuntu-21-04-from-ubuntu-20-10/
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> raffaem27: usualy when a new ubuntu release comes out, it takes a while for upgrades to come in
[14:01] <raffaem27> ok. thanks
[14:21] <Maik> lotuspsychje: sudo do-release-upgrade -d might work, i did that on my Pi install
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> -d is to devel versions right, not really reccomended for the regular users
[14:24] <Maik> i did force the upgrade that way after 21.04 was released so it was stable at that point and nit a dev version anymore
[14:24] <Maik> nit/not
[15:50] <giaco> I take my laptop from home to office and so I unplug/replug secondary display quite often. Everytime I do so, my windows/workspaces are messed up and I have to reposition all of them every time. Is there a solution for this?
[16:06] <Intelo> Whats the best tool to see graphical hardware temperatures but on terminal?
[16:08] <Intelo> I can suspend but I cannot hibernate (the screen gets turnned onn again in 5 seconds). I use xubuntu LTS (latest) asus x570 MB. What can I do to fix?
[16:12] <Intelo> I guess something to do with bios?
[16:32] <Intelo> hello, anyone there? Can anyone see my messages?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Intelo
[16:40] <Intelo> ok
[16:41] <Maik> Intelo: also try to google for your issues and other questions. :)
[16:46] <tomreyn> Intelo: hardware temperature sensors can be examined with lm-sensors and hddtemp
[16:48] <Intelo> Maik: tried. Trying again
[16:48] <Intelo> tomreyn: ok
[16:48] <Intelo> but I already tried, lm-s... don't give much
[16:48] <Intelo> nor does glances
[16:48] <Intelo> psensor do a bit
[16:48] <Intelo> though
[16:48] <Intelo> .
[16:49] <tomreyn> did you run sensors-detect?
[16:50] <Intelo> Is there any problems in this command?  sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=16097152
[16:50] <tomreyn> Intelo: about hibernation not working (auto wakeup), this is probably a bios issue. look for a bios update, check kernel logs    (journalctl -k) for ACPI warnings and errors. in some cases this will help:
[16:51] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi | Intelo
[16:53] <tomreyn> use fallocate rather than dd for the task of creating a large file, much simpler.
[16:56] <tomreyn> also, 16x1024x1024 is 16777216, not 16097152
[17:32] <pytorch> what is a good malware scanner for ubuntu?
[17:33] <pytorch> clamav looks painful to install
[17:33] <leftyfb> pytorch: unless you are being required to install one by an organization, you do not need one
[17:34] <pytorch> leftyfb: the security folks are asking us to pick and maintain one
[17:34] <leftyfb> pytorch: That said, try #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations
[17:34] <leftyfb> pytorch: hire new security folks
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> heh
[17:34] <pytorch> leftyfb: So malware detection is not useful for ubuntu ? why not? rootkit detection?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> not a topic for here pytorch as said above
[17:35] <Intelo> Any ideas whats wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cp8YqdxFt4/
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | pytorch
[17:35] <leftyfb> pytorch: try #ubuntu-hardened
[17:35] <pytorch> thanks
[17:37] <Intelo> tomreyn: ^
[17:38] <leftyfb> Intelo: it literally tells you what is wrong
[17:39] <leftyfb> Intelo: https://askubuntu.com/a/1152014/1151311
[17:40] <leftyfb> Intelo: first result on google when I typed in the error message
[17:40] <Intelo> leftyfb: but I have more swap than ram
[17:40] <leftyfb> Intelo: read the link
[17:40] <Intelo> ok..
[17:42] <Intelo> leftyfb: it did hibernated few mintues ago. Now it isnt
[17:51] <unixbsd> is there a PS3 or PS4 emulator on Ubuntu ?
[17:51] <unixbsd> (sony playstation=PS)
[17:51] <Intelo> leftyfb: i can now hibernate but when I resume. The system starts as if there was no hibernate. Note that I have encrypted full disk.
[17:51] <Hercules> can anyone tell how to use ftps in termina;?
[17:51] <Hercules> terminal*
[17:52] <leftyfb> !ot | unixbsd
[17:52] <leftyfb> Hercules: try ncftp
[17:52] <Hercules> it is not possible through the regular 'ftp' software comes preinstalled in ubuntu server?
[17:52] <unixbsd> Hercules: there is also fuse, for ftp over mount
[17:53] <leftyfb> Hercules: yes, the man page for the "ftp" client should help you with using it to connect to a remote ftp server
[17:54] <Hercules> thank you for the help!
[18:09] <larsmartin> hi did someone have issue with ubuntu 21.04 that keyboard did not works good after hours of using ubuntu?
[18:11] <alty> grr...
[18:11] <alty> sorry.
[18:11] <alty> keep pressing the wrong button and the right click does stupid things
[18:11] <Maik> nope, no problem here on 21.04 (upgrade from 20.10) on a Pi 4 larsmartin
[18:12] <leftyfb> larsmartin: it's best if you ask for help, not a survey of others experience
[18:13] <Intelo> What should be replaced with sda2 in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="intel_pstate=disable resume=/dev/sda2"
[18:13] <Intelo> I use full disk encryption
[18:13] <larsmartin> but what can be issue? shotcut or sudo snap install microk8s --classic on amd ryzen computer?
[18:14] <leftyfb> larsmartin: you're going to have to be more specific with your issue
[18:14] <larsmartin> its hard to find out why keyboard did not works on firefox or hexchat and other program.
[18:15] <Maik> larsmartin: also try searching for bug reports on launchpad
[18:15] <leftyfb> larsmartin: define "did not works"
[18:15] <unixbsd> Intelo: I did a lot of testing with grub2. you try to boot ubuntu right?
[18:15] <Maik> not works, "doesn't work" i guess
[18:16] <leftyfb> Maik: yeah, I get that. That could mean anything
[18:16] <larsmartin> its did not get any value on the url or when i use it only windows key works or logout. yes ubuntu.
[18:16] <Maik> leftyfb: true
[18:16] <Intelo> unixbsd: after hibernation. yes
[18:16] <unixbsd> Intelo: uffs. hibernation never works
[18:16] <Intelo> unixbsd: never?
[18:16] <Intelo> unixbsd: why?
[18:16] <leftyfb> Intelo: did you read the link I gave you?
[18:16] <unixbsd> Intelo: it depends the machine, for about 20 years, hibernation was not reliable
[18:16] <Intelo> leftyfb: i did
[18:17] <leftyfb> Intelo: and what did it say about hibernation?
[18:17] <Intelo> leftyfb: many things.
[18:17] <leftyfb> Intelo: read it again
[18:17] <Intelo> leftyfb: I have a counter too. How many times to read it?
[18:17] <Maik> Intelo: if you can't answer that question you didn't read it imho
[18:18] <Intelo> I did
[18:19] <Intelo> unixbsd: how can you say hibernation never workds?
[18:19] <leftyfb> Intelo: hibernation historically has never been great at universally functioning properly. You're going to spend way more time trying to get it to work the way you think it should work than just shutting down the computer and booting it back up when you need it.
[18:21] <unixbsd> Intelo: the danger is to  kill your harddisk with cold reset, forever bad blocks
[18:21] <unixbsd> the best is to set KDE to not hibernate using LID, it is into settings
[18:24] <Intelo> unixbsd: leftyfb I see. nice tip. So would you advice some low cost UPS (included with batter) that can hold my PC and monitor for 10 minutes if electricity goes off?
[18:24] <leftyfb> Intelo: feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for hardware recommendations
[18:24] <Intelo> leftyfb: unixbsd I would just suspend now. Suspend works fine with me. Right unixbsd ? it works for most others too right?
[18:24] <Intelo> leftyfb: ok
[18:25] <Intelo> unixbsd: what about suspend?
[18:26] <unixbsd> Intelo: I remove all those suspend and hibernate to be sure that it just works. Reason. the cat comes and turn off the lid while you backup over rsync or scp an importnat file... and so on.
[18:26] <unixbsd> or the lethal cold reset ...
[18:27] <Intelo> unixbsd: but no dangers in suspend mode. right?
[18:27] <unixbsd> if it works... suspend is suspends, scp wont work
[18:31] <Intelo>  Question: Is there a hardware danger/issue or disk drive data corruption chance if the PC gets shutdown due to power loss while it was in suspend mode?
[18:32] <leftyfb> Intelo: possible filesystem corruption
[18:32] <Intelo> dam..
[18:32] <Intelo> leftyfb: nothign to avoid it?
[18:33] <leftyfb> Intelo: don't lose power
[18:33] <Intelo> leftyfb: ya.. :)
[18:34] <unixbsd> the best is that all KDE and openbsd tends to put suspend  and hibernation by default into machines. So this kinda lethal habit. kinda human to play with fire, maybe ;)
[18:36] <Intelo> unixbsd: I forgot to ask. Is this dangerous and problematic with linux/ubuntus only or for windows or any OS as well?
[18:36] <leftyfb> Intelo: any filesystem
[18:37] <unixbsd> it is way worse with windows. NTFS cannot keep files without being damaged. Ext4 is more reliable
[18:38] <Intelo> leftyfb: no I meant the hibernate to disk issues
[18:38] <Intelo> unixbsd: ^
[18:39] <leftyfb> Intelo: all OS's suck at suspend/hibernation. Though I'm not sure about Apple. Since they make everything in the stack, it might work for them
[18:40] <unixbsd> Since Apple is based on BSD, it could maybe be bit better if the reboot fsck well the disk. no idea, it is all same
[18:41] <leftyfb> Intelo: either way, we're going pretty offtopic here now
[18:41] <launchd> APFS has protections to prevent itself from being corrupted on power loss
[18:43] <unixbsd> I dont thing that one in  xfs, ext4 or ffsv2 or ufs2 can be better for recovering data after power loss. they are quite similar.
[18:48] <Intelo> unixbsd: so the disk is the only danger point. Nothing else?
[18:48] <Intelo> for a power loss ^
[18:48] <Intelo> leftyfb: ya. ok.
[18:48] <Intelo> unixbsd: launchd we can talk in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:50] <samba35> i have problem with login loop how do i fix it ?
[18:50] <unixbsd> what is a login loop?
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> !loginloop
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> !xauthority
[18:51] <[VMGuy23]> I think login -> login screen forevor
[18:51] <samba35> while booting i suppose to enter username and password ,it goes in loop (ask to loing again and again and again ........and again )
[18:51] <leftyfb> samba35: what version of ubuntu?
[18:51] <samba35> 18.04
[18:51] <leftyfb> samba35: was this working previously?
[18:52] <samba35> yes
[18:52] <unixbsd> get this rescue, https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/minirescue/-/raw/master/v1/minirescue-linux-bsd-v1.img.gz, and mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; and then vi /etc/shadow   and then put just:    root::18735:0:99999:7:::
[18:52] <leftyfb> samba35: what changes since the last time it worked?
[18:52] <[VMGuy23]> how to change graphics drivers? (i want to use something other than LLVMPIPE)
[18:52] <samba35> ubottu, i give that try did not work for me
[18:53] <samba35> i think i did update pkg
[18:53] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: let me guess, this is a VM?
[18:53] <leftyfb> samba35: try reverting to the previous kernel
[18:53] <samba35> leftyfb, yes give this try also
[18:53] <[VMGuy23]> leftyfb: nope, i just installed amdgpu and its still using llvmpipe
[18:54] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: you have Ubuntu installed on a bare metal machine using Mesa graphics drivers? What is your video chipset?
[18:54] <samba35> 135 and 136 with differant kernel type (gen and low lat)
[18:54] <samba35> its nvidia 710
[18:55] <[VMGuy23]> leftyfb: intergrated graphics (it says radeon vegamobile gfx) in an AMD Ryzen 3 3200U
[18:55] <samba35> haha i try u r gues so i did many thing correct :)
[18:56] <unixbsd> I have also a radeon vegamobile gfx) in an AMD Ryzen 3 3200U. cool, like mine.
[18:57] <[VMGuy23]> unixbsd: 2019 acer laptop? came with 4gb ram?
[18:57] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: sudo lshw -c video | nc terminbin.com 9999
[18:57] <leftyfb> ugh
[18:57] <unixbsd> I have tower -- more practical than laptop and cheapter
[18:57] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: sudo lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <samba35> leftyfb, does this command send out to terminbin.com 9999
[18:58] <[VMGuy23]> I already have "| tb" setup :)
[18:58] <leftyfb> samba35: the command was not for you
[18:59] <samba35> understood but just asking for info
[18:59] <[VMGuy23]> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/5736
[18:59] <leftyfb> samba35: yes, the command sends the output to the termbin.com pastebin service
[18:59] <samba35> cool
[18:59] <samba35> thanks
[19:00] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: https://askubuntu.com/a/1228323/1151311
[19:06] <[VMGuy23]> leftyfb: where does that answer my quesion of getting away from llvmpipe?
[19:09] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: I think you might need 20.04
[19:09] <[VMGuy23]> leftyfb: can I go back without reinstall?
[19:10] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: not until you dual boot the 2 releases
[19:10] <[VMGuy23]> I don't want to reinstall
[19:11] <unixbsd> [VMGuy23] you can debootstrap into /UBUNTU
[19:12] <[VMGuy23]> what does that mean
[19:12] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows how to select the kernel to boot in ubuntu for the raspberry pi?
[19:12] <[VMGuy23]> select in grub?
[19:12] <unixbsd> mkdir /UBUNTU ; cd /UBUNTU ;  apt-get install debootstrap -y  ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg  --include=netbase,debootstrap,gcc,make,ssh,login,passwd,wpasupplicant  groovy   . http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[19:12] <leftyfb> luc4: try #ubuntu-arm
[19:12] <luc4> leftyfb: ok, thank you!
[19:13] <[VMGuy23]> unixbsd: what does that do
[19:13] <Deano59> leftyfb: ubuntu is supported here, no?
[19:13] <unixbsd> it will fetch you the base ubuntu into /UBUNTU and you have a new system right there. copy after /boot and lib/modules there
[19:14] <[VMGuy23]> I might have found a solution, reinstall xorg
[19:14] <leftyfb> Deano59: it is yes. If you're referring to my suggestion for #ubuntu-arm, selecting the kernel to boot on arm is a lot different and not as well-known compared to x86. #ubuntu-arm is more specialized for arm and should be able to help in a more efficient manner
[19:26] <Intelo> I reinstalled ubuntu. But I had made backup of my /home. NOw I want to get the browser history back. Is it possible? If so, how?
[19:26] <leftyfb> Intelo: which browser?
[19:37] <unixbsd> Intelo:  it is into .Mozilla  .cache/chromium
[19:38] <unixbsd> this is why it is better to debootstrap, run Ramdisk ubuntu, move to new system and once done you can trash the old system on same partition.
[19:39] <leftyfb> unixbsd: your answer above is only half-correct and only for 1 out of the 3 most popular browsers people tend to use on ubuntu.
[19:40] <unixbsd> theere is Moziilla and chromium? no? what else?
[19:45] <leftyfb> Intelo: ~/.mozilla (not .Mozilla) for Firefox   ~/snap/chromium/common/chromium (not .cache chromium) for chromium and ~/.config/google-chrome for google chrome
[19:45] <unixbsd> why there is this snap? what is snap for?
[19:45] <leftyfb> unixbsd: sorry, I was wrong, you were 0% correct in your post, not 50%
[19:46] <leftyfb> unixbsd: ubuntu no longer has an apt package for chromium. It's only snap now
[19:47] <unixbsd> wow, so in future, no apt-get ?
[19:47] <leftyfb> unixbsd: not future, that's how it has been since 20.04
[19:47] <unixbsd> they maybe will try to be away from Debian mother of all debians. That would make sense
[19:53] <leftyfb> unixbsd: there are no plans to move away from Debian. Feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:55] <nerdisapenguin> Hello how can i compile neovim 0.5 on ubuntu
[19:56] <nerdisapenguin> When I try compiling it says that libtool is not installed when it is
[19:58] <unixbsd> maybe install clang? gcc misses few things... do you compile c++ or c?
[19:58] <leftyfb> nerdisapenguin: feel free to seek support from the neovim project on compiling their latest version that was released 15 hours ago
[19:59] <unixbsd> vim compiles right away with ncurses, out the box, no problemo
[20:00] <leftyfb> nerdisapenguin: it's also a "prerelease". Please seek support from the neovim project
[20:00] <nerdisapenguin> Fair enough, thanks
[20:06] <eam> hi, signup flow for https://login.launchpad.net/ seems to be broken - there's no email verification being sent out as far as I can tell
[20:07] <leftyfb> eam: try asking in #launchpad
[20:07] <eam> great, tyvm
[20:10] <eam> in the meantime, I was tring to file a bug but I could also use advice on how to best navigate this: It looks like network-manager can't be uninstalled when running zfs
[20:11] <eam> it looks like a package trigger tries to rm /var/lib/NetworkManager, which fails because it's a zfs volume
[20:11] <leftyfb> eam: why do you need to remove network-manager?
[20:12] <eam> I'm plumbing networking with networkd
[20:12] <leftyfb> eam: why?
[20:12] <unixbsd> in any case the classic debian method with /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf works if you wanna light, with net-tools.
[20:12] <eam> because nm is terrible? I want a static networking config for this server
[20:13] <leftyfb> eam: if it's a server, why is it running a desktop?
[20:13] <eam> unixbsd: my understanding is that modern ubuntu uses netplan with a networkd render target
[20:13] <eam> leftyfb: it's the thumb drive I had sitting around
[20:13] <eam> I'll probably run some graphical stuff on it at some point as well
[20:14] <eam> I'd want the same for my workstation
[20:15] <eam> unixbsd: I've done this before, but this is the first time I've done it on ubuntu+zfs and it seems that's the combo that breaks the network-manager deb
[20:17] <unixbsd> eam: I can give you a ready out of the box installation with all necessary ... from my gitlab. It works here.
[20:18] <leftyfb> unixbsd: note: they asked for networkd, no ifupdown
[20:19] <eam> I think I just fixed it, edited out the rm in /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postrm
[20:21] <Intelo> leftyfb: unixbsd ok. thanks
[20:54] <unixbsd> eam: you may find herewith a preinstalled ready-out-of-the-box ubuntu groovy, with the clasic networking with interfaces, if out of luck, and if you havent found how to fix it.   https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/ubuntu-live/-/raw/master/v4/UBUNTU.tar.gz
[20:54] <eam> unixbsd: oh cool, thanks! I got it running already but I'll take a look through this
[20:56] <eam> I've never regretted working to minimize the number of things systemd can touch
[20:57] <unixbsd> there is DEVUAN.tar.gz ready too, in case you want no systemd, see my website
[20:58] <eam> tempting. so far I'm leaning toward compatibility with the herd but some day that may change
[21:01] <unixbsd> eam: if tempted today, tomorrow will be surely different ;)
[21:03] <unixbsd> I see that my way of installing, it boots x3 to x5 times faster that classic ubuntu.
[21:05] <eam> I'm trying hard to not rant about the universal disappointment of systemd, haha
[21:05] <unixbsd> eam: believe me, but #linux and ##linux see only positive things about it. it is just the beginning.
[21:12] <unixbsd> eam: the ifconfig -a is defined into pkg: net-tools right?
[21:30] <unixbsd> eam: I will make a second version, I forgot fdisk ;)
[22:12] <AhmedAmerican> how to do crontab From 7 AM to 8PM (Mon-Sun.) ?
[22:14] <unixbsd> crontab -e :   30,55 * * * * sleep 27 ; /usr/bin/mybinary      but Mon to Sun.,... no idea and hour too
[22:14] <qskwood> Monday through Sunday is just every day
[22:14] <qskwood> unless I'm missing something
[22:16] <qskwood> * 7-20 * * 0-6 sleep 1
[22:16] <qskwood> '* 7-20 * * 0-6 sleep 1'
[22:17] <qskwood> Really though 0-6 can just be * too
[23:21] <johnfg> hi folks
[23:22] <johnfg> I've been reading a bit about joplin notes.  In our Ubuntu software, we have both Joplin Desktop and joplin-arnatious.
[23:23] <johnfg> I don't see much difference between the 2.  Anyone know?  And how do you like joplin if you use it?
[23:23] <leftyfb> johnfg: feel free to ask about software recommendations and opinions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:24] <johnfg> leftyfb: I thought about this, and not *wanting* to poll.  Will do leftyfb.


[12:09] <head_victim> First batch of DVDs mailed out, plenty left so if you think of a good way to use them sing out.
[12:10] <jea> I probably won't have anything to use them for at this stage
[12:12] <head_victim> Had requests from 2 lugs and another gentleman I know distributes them at markets in northern NSW.
[12:14] <jea> that is alright
[12:16] <head_victim> Yeah, considering sending an email to some lugs to see if anyone is interested.