[00:20] <shauno> so we're either gonna win, or turn into wolves and eat everyone
[00:21] <shauno> as far as I'm concerned, either would be a stellar result
[00:33] <zatan> :)
[00:44] <jacobw2> moo
[00:44] <jacobw> --screen
[01:14] <Seeker`> bah, there are wrong people on the internet
[01:14] <Seeker`> this should be fixed
[01:57] <shauno> poo :(  scandal in ppuk already
[02:00] <ali1234> what's a ppuk?
[02:01] <HazRPG> I just bought a kindle... from tescos!
[02:02] <ali1234> how much and can you use it without an amazon account?
[02:02] <HazRPG> it was £150 with 3g+wifi, but they had the one with wifi for £105
[02:03] <HazRPG> and I shall found out soon enough!
[02:05] <ali1234> oh, you bought on line?
[02:05] <ali1234> i thought you went to 24 hour tescos and bought one cash :)
[02:05] <HazRPG> I did!
[02:05] <HazRPG> that was in-store price!
[02:05] <HazRPG> I'd say it was a bargain for getting it straight in your hands
[02:06] <HazRPG> I didn't even plan to get one, was there for other things
[02:06] <ali1234> ah cool
[02:06] <HazRPG> saved me the ~£6 P&P price
[02:07] <HazRPG> wow, I'm amazed at how thin this thing actually is!
[02:07] <HazRPG> argh! holy cow!
[02:07] <HazRPG> I thought that was the sticker!
[02:07] <HazRPG> with the whole "step 1 charge your kindle"
[02:07] <HazRPG> that was before I even turned it on, etc
[02:08] <HazRPG> so I did... I pluged it on
[02:08] <HazRPG> and looked away for a moment... and then looked back was about to pear the sticker... and noticed the screen changed!
[02:08] <ali1234> it's eink
[02:08] <ali1234> it only uses power when the display is changing
[02:08] <ali1234> nifty stuff
[02:09] <HazRPG> oh yeah, I know... but I never realised it was this clear!
[02:09] <ali1234> you are making me want one
[02:09] <ali1234> but i don't like to buy stuff from amazon
[02:09] <HazRPG> heh, I got mine from tescos :P
[02:09] <ali1234> yeah
[02:09] <ali1234> they probably sell them at a loss anyway
[02:09] <ali1234> but i mean books to put on it :)
[02:10] <HazRPG> :P
[02:10] <ali1234> especially given that ebooks cost the same as regular books
[02:12] <HazRPG> I'm planning on buying ebooks from other places ;)
[02:13] <HazRPG> ali1234: dude!!!!
[02:13] <HazRPG> ali1234: you don't *need* to register this to amazon!
[02:13] <ali1234> ok ok, it's not that exciting :)
[02:13] <HazRPG> if you buy it >from< amazon, it gets set to you with your account already on it
[02:13] <HazRPG> sent*
[02:13] <HazRPG> but this way... you don't have to!
[02:13] <ali1234> so when you turn it on
[02:14] <ali1234> it doesn't force you to enter your details
[02:14] <ali1234> the sony one does
[02:14] <ali1234> can you use the free global 3g without an amazon account though?
[02:15] <HazRPG> I'm reading the startup guide... but it says "at any point you can click home and leave this guide"
[02:15] <HazRPG> so I'm going to read through, see what it all says and just click on the home - but plan NOT putting my amazon details in unless I really must
[02:16] <ali1234> considering getting the wifi only version
[02:17] <ali1234> don't really even need wifi tbh
[02:17] <ali1234> usb is fine
[02:18] <ali1234> which gen is it?
[02:19] <ali1234> ah only v3 has the 3g option
[02:25] <HazRPG> yeah, v3
[02:32] <HazRPG> ali1234: you'll be pleased to know, if you buy from tescos... you don't need to set your account :D
[02:32] <ali1234> cool
[02:34] <HazRPG> aww, but the browser won't let you use it unless you do :/
[02:35] <HazRPG> everything else seems to work though
[03:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, this thing is pretty cool though
[03:09] <HazRPG> I have a feeling, I'm going to need bigger discs
[03:09] <HazRPG> I've coasted around 3 discs now :/
[03:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Desktop Help - http://philbull.livejournal.com/59039.html
[03:42] <HazRPG> this feels wrong... k3b seems to work so much better than brasero!
[03:43] <HazRPG> I'm a gnome guy... kde stuff shouldn't be on here >_<
[03:56] <ali1234> brasero has always sucked tho
[04:58] <HazRPG> ali1234: what do you use?
[04:58] <ali1234> i don't use cds
[04:59] <HazRPG> hmm, the 'send "I am alive" ping to canonical' app on software centre... does anyone use it?
[04:59] <HazRPG> as far as I can see, its for showing canonical how many ubuntu users there are out there...
[04:59] <ali1234> i don't use software centre either...
[04:59] <HazRPG> canonical-census is the name of the application
[05:00] <ali1234> it's for OEMs
[05:50] <HazRPG> ah
[05:50] <HazRPG> that makes more sense
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> Beautiful...
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> [    30.229] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: [load of chipset names], Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge
[06:52] <daubers> Morning
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:17]  * daubers checks the chilli plants and starts washing up ready to make bread
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> hm
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> I parsed that as "chilli plant" (factory) instead of "chilli plant" (green leafy thing)
[07:30] <daubers> heh
[07:46] <phonex01> hello guys
[07:47] <phonex01> good morning
[08:33] <HazRPG> morning
[08:41] <popey> morning
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> mornink
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> I want to go out for a run
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> but it's cold outside :|
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> \o/ working va-api + vlc
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> next stop: working DVB+VLC
[08:45] <HazRPG> :P
[08:46] <HazRPG> ali1234: ooo, apparently they've "jailbroke" the kindle 3
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> For some reason my DVB card doesn't always execute tuning commands properly :|
[08:46] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: typical :P
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> so I have to tune 2-3 times before I get a signal
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> (to the same channel, mind!)
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: typical? why? :)
[08:47] <popey> nice and sunny today here
[08:47] <HazRPG> same
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's nice and sunny here as well, but it's still only ~5-6°C
[08:48] <popey> heh
[08:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: manufacturers not sticking to standards or making them do funny things
[08:48] <popey> wonder why middle mouse click on one mac opens a new tab, middle mouse click on the other opens the widget thing
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the same dish/switch works fine from my TV tuner
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it must be something on my DVB-S2 card
[08:48] <HazRPG> ah
[08:48] <popey> ooo, configurable
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: It's a voltage thing, I think, or interference (a PC is noisier than a TV, electronically speaking)
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> ("DiSEqC uses a pulsed (tone-burst) 22 kHz sine-wave at 0.5v peak to peak.", according to Wikipedia)
[09:08] <danfish> morning
[09:09] <danfish> who's going to the rubgy meetup then?
[09:10] <HazRPG> where's it at again?
[09:13] <danfish> Clapham Junction
[09:15] <popey> o/
[09:25] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:26] <AlanBell> o/
[09:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: howdy
[09:30] <kazade> o/
[09:44] <daubers> bread is rising!
[09:44] <czajkowski> the 80's radio station is addictive
[09:44] <czajkowski> so want a fry up this morning
[09:45]  * AlanBell is going to a party
[09:45] <czajkowski> I miss kids parties, no way to get rice crispy cakes any other way
[09:46] <AlanBell> I think parties need more jelly and ice cream
[09:46] <AlanBell> there will be chocolate brownie cake with icing and buttons on top
[09:47] <czajkowski> not a love of brownies, find them too heavy.
[09:47] <czajkowski> I could polish off a bucket of cocktail saussages and rice crispy cakes
[09:56] <AlanBell> we do have 40 cocktail sausages, not sure about rice crispy cakes
[09:56] <czajkowski> whoo
[09:56] <czajkowski> nyommy
[09:57] <czajkowski> had nandos as well last night, that place is soo friggin busy and so tasty
[10:45] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:17] <HazRPG> howdy everyone
[11:18] <HazRPG> hmm... recalls someone saying they had a kindle...
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> Lots of people have one
[11:19]  * MartijnVdS has a Sony PRS-600
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> which reminds me.. I need to charge it
[11:23] <popey> moo
[11:23] <popey> Jabber \o/
[11:24] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[11:24] <MattJ> On a Saturday!
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> XMPP \o/
[11:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hmm, just wondering ... because I'm not sure if I should register mine with amazon.com/.co.uk
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> I never registered mine with Sony
[11:33] <HazRPG> guessing you don't buy books from sony either then
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> nah, most e-book stores won't let me buy from them :(
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> A few Dutch stores will thoguh
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> though
[11:35] <popey> HazRPG: i bought mine before they sold them direct over here, and registered it with amazon.com
[11:35] <popey> but recently they made an option where you can 'move' it to .co.uk, so i did that
[11:35] <popey> not that i actually use my kindle now I have an ipad
[11:36] <alexcockell> Got a new big mug delivered today...
[11:36] <alexcockell> "Don't ask me till I've had my coffee"... 570ml..
[11:36] <HazRPG> popey: surely the kindle wins over ipad for book reading though...
[11:36] <HazRPG> battery-life wise...
[11:36] <alexcockell> Yeah - I'm sure it does..
[11:37] <alexcockell> now - if there was an open version of the Kindle - I'd be interested..
[11:37] <HazRPG> alexcockell: nice :)
[11:37] <popey> HazRPG: i never read for 10 hours straight
[11:37] <popey> and i never worry about the battery on the ipad
[11:37] <popey> if I was going on holiday I might take the kindle, but for day-to-day use, I dont use it anymore
[11:37] <HazRPG> alexcockell: erm... kindle 1 & 2 have been known to have ubuntu installed on them ;)
[11:38] <HazRPG> kindle 3 has just recently (feb?) found an exploit to run unsigned code
[11:38] <HazRPG> so that could be next :)
[11:38] <HazRPG> popey: clearly you haven't been on long flights before :P
[11:38] <popey> i have
[11:38] <alexcockell> Yeah - but do you need to jailbreak it first?
[11:38] <popey> and i dont read for 10 hours straight
[11:39] <popey> also I said "day to day" use
[11:39] <HazRPG> alexcockell: yeah, you do, but the jailbreak is easy to remove traces of
[11:39] <popey> i dont fly 10 hours every day
[11:39] <alexcockell> S'pose so far, I've bought kit from Linux Emporium...
[11:39] <HazRPG> alexcockell: since the kindle uses linux (or a unix variant??) as its core anyways
[11:39] <alexcockell> Ahh - OK
[11:40] <alexcockell> Of course - only way they have such good power management..
[11:40] <alexcockell> Unlike the latest way MS bollocked up loads of machines...
[11:40] <dwatkins> The Kindle's screen is also passive, which is much better for the eyes than the iPad
[11:40] <directhex> kindle is linux
[11:40] <HazRPG> popey: ah, sorry I missed that
[11:40] <alexcockell> W7SP1... switch on autotuning on TCP/IP - and not warn anyone
[11:40] <alexcockell> My brother was hit by it... was helping him ID the issue..
[11:41] <HazRPG> popey: didn't realise the ipad had 10 hour battery life, that's pretty amazing if it does :O
[11:41] <directhex> kindle battery is about a month, with the wifi turned off
[11:41] <popey> it does
[11:41] <directhex> (e-ink uses no power when the display isn't changing)
[11:42] <HazRPG> directhex: I wasn't sure, I knew it was a unix variant - thanks for the confirmation :)
[11:42] <HazRPG> alexcockell: yeah, the e-ink screen is the main reason for the good battery life (1 month!) - think of it like an etch-e-sketch
[11:44] <alexcockell> Yeah - I sawe a friend's Kindle..
[11:44] <HazRPG> directhex: you'll have seen the recent kindle 3 hack then?
[11:44] <directhex> HazRPG, can't honestly say i care
[11:44] <HazRPG> directhex: I was instantly amused when I read it this morning :)
[11:45] <HazRPG> directhex: ah... hmm... I had it down that ya liked reading about this stuff...
[11:46] <directhex> it's the wife's, it does what she wants
[11:46] <directhex> the rest is a distraction
[11:46] <HazRPG> oh, I just meant reading about hacks, exploits, etc
[11:48] <directhex> only ones relevant to my interests
[11:49] <HazRPG> ah ok, fair enough
[12:02] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[12:05] <alexcockell> BBC News, Sky News - looks like NATO will be taking the gloves off soon...
[12:08]  * MartijnVdS starts "F-19 Stealth Fighter" in dosbox
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> It's how I learned Lybian cities back in the 90s :|
[12:09] <BigRedS> haha
[12:10] <BigRedS> I've not yet seen anyone report on any offensive non-US presence of Libya's coast. I know we've got a friage or something hanging around, but is there a carrier or anythign with which to enforce a no-fly zone?
[12:10] <BigRedS> I suppose there's always Italy...
[12:11] <danfish> our carriers have no planes anymore
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Italy, Greece
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: there's a US base on Sicily
[12:12] <BigRedS> Ah yeah. It just seems (to me) to feel quite an empty threat unless there's a bunch of warships off the coast
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> also, Dutch navy
[12:13] <danfish> we have an agreement to share the French carrier, but it's only maaged to set sail once this year :(
[12:13] <BigRedS> Ah, are the dutch there?
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: 3 people + 1 helicopter were caught a few weeks ago
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> people have been released, helicopter not
[12:14] <jpds> BigRedS: UK bases on Cyprus.
[12:15] <BigRedS> Yeah, the lynx. I was just expecting much more of an in-your-face show of force from nato
[12:15] <alexcockell> Oh.. that is coming..
[12:16] <BigRedS> Nah, by now it surely makes sense to not bother with any sailing, if none's been done yet, and just use european bases
[12:16] <danfish> unfortunately, the RAF is now a mess of aged tornados and typhoon's which noone can fly or maintain.
[12:17] <BigRedS> the point would be to have the demonstration as a "look what we can do" rather than a "we've finally got round to doing what we wanted to do a few weeks back"
[12:17] <BigRedS> danfish: yeah, I was amused at the announcement that it'd be a tornado sqn deployed first
[12:20] <HazRPG> brobostigon: morning :)
[12:20] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good morning, :)
[12:22] <danfish> alternatively we could send our new type destroyer...but the anti-aircraft missiles havn't been installed yet
[12:23] <danfish> so I think it best we send a strongly worded letter and refuse to buy libyan dates :P
[12:24] <danfish> and humus
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> and oil
[12:27] <BigRedS> danfish: That is the English way :)
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: especially if you get the queen to write the letter
[12:28] <BigRedS> I've an entirely different view of the Queen since I started following Queen_UK on twitter :)
[12:28] <danfish> BigRedS: only in recent times - in the past we'd have gone in with the Imperial Army and just taken over
[12:29] <BigRedS> Nah, in the past the threat of the RN would've been a reasonable one
[12:29] <BigRedS> rather than a punchline
[12:29] <danfish> introduced the notion of tea parties and democracy then left ;)
[12:29] <BigRedS> haha!
[12:30] <danfish> tbf, 2-3 years ago we could have mounted an air blockade on our own
[12:30] <brobostigon> hehe, the new icon for empathy from the gnome3-teams ppa, has a nice smiley on it, :).
[12:37] <brobostigon> i figured out my k9 issue from yeysterday, gingerbread sucked too much ram, and didnt leave enough for k9 to run, so i am back on 2.2.1 where it ran fine.
[12:37] <Cepheus> nothing like waking up on a saturday afternoon and eating bacon!
[12:38]  * MartijnVdS has some http://blog.garion.org/2011/01/31/recipe-guild-master-spinach-pie/
[13:19] <brobostigon> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid/view/head:/BareSaab1/BareSaab1.pde can someone tell me, why iamgetting a  ledpin not declared inthi scope error on line 36, please.
[13:20] <brobostigon> i just cant see it.
[13:22] <czajkowski> danfish: enjoying the conference
[13:27] <brobostigon> damn, typo, LedPin != Ledpin. :(
[13:27] <brobostigon> balls.
[13:27] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski :)
[13:28] <czajkowski> Pendulum: hi
[13:28] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how's you?
[13:28] <czajkowski> grand
[13:28] <czajkowski> sobered up from last night
[13:28] <czajkowski> had bacon
[13:28] <czajkowski> no sleep
[13:28] <czajkowski> and now heading out once I've had a shower to go back drinking
[13:28] <brobostigon> stupid typo, it compiles now.
[13:28] <Pendulum> and rugby :)
[13:29] <Pendulum> (at least I assume there will be rugby-watching in with the drinking :P )
[13:29] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I went out and bought magners last night specifically because of rugby watching today ;)
[13:30] <czajkowski> yup
[13:30] <czajkowski> heading to the pub for around 4ish
[13:31] <Pendulum> :)
[13:32]  * brobostigon is thinking about pub now aswell.
[13:32] <Pendulum> I seriously considered trying to head to NYC for the day to watch with the group I watched with last year
[13:32] <czajkowski> Saturday 19th March - Scotland v Italy - 2.30pm
[13:32] <czajkowski> Saturday 19th March - Ireland v England - 5pm
[13:32] <czajkowski> Saturday 19th March - France v Wales - 7.45pm
[13:34] <Pendulum> :)
[13:36] <czajkowski> right
[13:36] <czajkowski> shower
[13:36] <czajkowski> and vanishing time it seems
[13:36] <czajkowski> toodles
[13:36] <Pendulum> have fun!
[13:36] <popey> :)
[13:36]  * MartijnVdS decides it's time for tea
[13:36] <czajkowski> popey: see ya later
[13:36] <popey> o/
[13:37]  * popey has just lined his stomach with a vast amount of chinese food
[13:41]  * AlanBell is back from the party
[13:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: how'd it go?
[13:45] <AlanBell> they all had fun
[13:45] <AlanBell> lots of screaming
[13:47] <AlanBell> the rugby is later than I thought it was
[13:49] <Pendulum> :)
[14:00] <phonex01> hello guys
[14:01] <phonex01> i found the problem with mon0: -1 in aircrack
[14:01] <phonex01> there a simple patching for that i did it and now im compiling compat-wireless
[14:01] <phonex01> but i have question here
[14:03] <phonex01> i have keneral 2.6.35-27 and compat-wireless i use is 2.6.38-3 ?
[14:03] <phonex01> so is there any problem with this ?
[14:09] <BigRedS> phonex01: From a quick look at their site, should be good
[14:10] <phonex01> really ?
[14:10] <BigRedS> though I can't work out how you'd get that version string, they seem to use dates
[14:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] FPTP versus AV - http://zrmt.com/2011/03/19/fptp-versus-av/
[14:11] <BigRedS> it certainly implies that any version will compile against an 2.6 kernel
[14:15] <suprengr> Boo!
[14:16] <alexcockell> Hiya Suprengr
[14:17] <alexcockell> popey - Useful that most Chinese places run right through from 12-late...
[14:35] <ging> what does ./configure do ?
[14:35] <ging> or atleast what is it meant to do?
[14:36] <DJones> !compile | ging Have a look at this, about a third of the way down explains it
[14:36] <ging> do i need to install it first/
[14:36] <dutchie> no
[14:37] <dutchie> the configure script sets up the Makefile with all the right paths for libraries and installation
[14:37] <dutchie> (usually)
[14:37] <DJones> !checkinstall
[14:38] <DJones> ging: If you're compiling something from source, it might be worth looking at the Checkinstall info as it could make it easier to remove something afterwards as it installs from a .deb file
[14:43] <suprengr> Trying to view a webcam [Dartmouth live] and Firefox states "QuickTime does not support the current MPEG-4 setting. Go to Setup->Video&Image->Advanced->MPEG-4 and set Video object type to 'Simple' for QuickTime to work"  [Chromium is less than helpful with settings]  no alternatives in Firefox work.  Any ideas?
[14:43]  * AlanBell looks up train times to clapham
[14:43] <ging> i dont understand why ./configure doesnt work then, if i type than into a terminal with current directiory if what i want to compile that should work right?
[14:44] <BigRedS> configure normally tells you what's wrong when it doesn't work
[14:46] <ging> no it say no such file or directory
[14:46] <ging> do i need to install configure ?
[14:46] <BigRedS> are you trying to run it in the right directory?
[14:47] <BigRedS> you need to be at the root of the source
[14:47] <BigRedS> usually, untar the tarball, cd into the new dir and you're there
[14:47] <BigRedS> sometimes you need to be in a subdirectory of it
[14:47] <ging> that's what i've done
[14:47] <BigRedS> but you need to be in the directory containing the 'configure' script
[14:48] <ging> oh so configure isnt a program ?
[14:48] <BigRedS> it's a script
[14:48] <BigRedS> the distinction is fuzzy
[14:48] <BigRedS> but it's in the source you downloaded, not something installed on your PC
[14:48] <BigRedS> the './' tells bash that it's looking for something in the current directory ('.')
[14:49] <BigRedS> so './configure' tells bash to execute the file named 'configure' in the current directory
[14:49] <ging> well there is no script called configure in this dir, there is 1 called config.h
[14:49] <BigRedS> is there a readme?
[14:52] <ging> yeah there is a readme but there is nothing in there about it
[14:53] <ging> i think it must be missing the config script
[14:58] <dutchie> ging: it might not have one. is there a Makefile already?
[15:06] <ging> dutchie: there is a make file but it fails
[15:08] <dutchie> fails how?
[15:15] <ging> epically
[15:15] <ging> http://pastebin.com/zs6jQS3K
[15:21] <dutchie> ging: looks like you are missing pcap.h
[15:21] <dutchie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pcap.h&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any
[15:21] <dutchie> try installing the libpcap0.8-dev package
[15:26] <ging> ah it work thanks
[15:33] <dutchie> np
[15:56] <MichealH> Hi all
[16:03]  * brobostigon shakes fist at Xorg, gpu hang, :(
[16:21] <bigcalm> I would say hi, but I guess everybody is at the rugby
[16:22] <brobostigon> afternooings bigcalm :)
[16:22] <bigcalm> Hi :)
[16:22]  * dutchie is watching rugby at home
[16:23]  * brobostigon is trying to avoid rugby, but cant.
[16:23]  * DJones is at home catching up on tv
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Doctor Who special :)
[16:25] <DJones> MartijnVdS: No, Blue Bloods
[16:27]  * brobostigon uses get_iplayer toget click, which got killed off again, due too ther news.
[16:27] <brobostigon> to other*
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> yeah they should stop having news!
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> People of the world! Today shall be a news-free day! :P
[16:37] <brobostigon> :)
[16:37] <bigcalm> Anybody into their JS (jQuery in particular)?
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> !ask | bigcalm
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you know that ;)
[16:38] <bigcalm> Well, it's not very ubuntu related :P
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> Still
[16:38] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> it's quiet
[16:39] <bigcalm> I'm appending some HTML into an element from inside a function. Once the logic flow has left the function, the created HTML isn't available to other functions
[16:39] <bigcalm> Wondering how to make it persistant
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> don't "add HTML", but add DOM nodes
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> they should show up
[16:41] <bigcalm> Ok, I'll give it a go
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> jquery makes that easy
[16:46] <brobostigon> weird, i canonly find the short versionof click on iplayer.:(
[16:49] <brobostigon> ithink i will listen to bbc digital planet insted.
[16:59] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582539/ # made it verbose yet it's still not available outside of the function.
[17:02] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the div and the ul both exist outside of the function, but LIs do not
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: read the "will not change" bits on http://api.jquery.com/add/
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXnFRYf6LI
[17:13] <shauno> heh, that was pretty nifty
[17:25] <suprengr> was thinking of putting 'home' directory on separate partition to use on other versions.  do I copy current home/... or myusername/ [under home] to that partition I wonder?
[17:36] <shauno> I'd tend to move /home itself
[17:36] <duvelhedz> Move /home and be sure to modify your fstab to mount by uuid
[17:37] <shauno> (also, the word 'copy' makes me tweak; if you copy /home to a new filesystem, mount it over your old /home, the old contents of /home will still use up disk space but won't be accessible at all)
[17:40] <ali1234> if you move /home itself to a new partition then mount that partition on /home you will have /home/home
[17:40] <ali1234> which is pobably not what you want
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> unexpected backup ;)
[18:04] <DJones> I wonder whether czajkowski is cheering at the minute
[18:05] <brobostigon> DJones: ithinkthat might be a fair bet.
[18:07] <DJones> Either that or the England camp have gagged her
[18:08] <brobostigon> hmm.
[18:09] <duvelhedz> I'm down at the northcote now and I don't see anyone here
[18:10] <brobostigon> duvelhedz: please elaborate, i amnot familier with the name.
[18:10] <brobostigon> sorry.
[18:10] <DJones> duvelhedz: Are you looking for the ubuntu-uk rugby meetup
[18:10] <duvelhedz> It's where the ubuntu rugby meetup us meant to be
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Did they go elsewhere
[18:11] <DJones> I can see czajkowski on twitter, give me  a minute, I'll send a message & ask
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Thang
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Thang
[18:11] <duvelhedz> Thanx
[18:17] <DJones> duvelhedz: No reply yet, I'd say just look for one Irish person cheering, surrounded by a bunch of people pretending to have no interest in the rugby
[18:18] <duvelhedz> Have had a look around the whole place, no sign of them but the place is rammed, thanx DJones
[18:19] <DJones> duvelhedz: czajkowski Just said they were in front of the bar
[18:19] <duvelhedz> Great, thanx for that
[18:20] <DJones> Hope you find them
[18:20] <brobostigon> DJones: did you see that picture of czajkowski popey,posted on twitter.
[18:21] <DJones> brobostigon: no, I've not seen it
[18:21] <DJones> link?
[18:22] <brobostigon> DJones: http://twitpic.com/4b3txj she got her wish. :)
[18:24] <DJones> Heh
[18:25] <duvelhedz>  Found them, thanx
[18:25] <brobostigon> :)
[18:25] <DJones> duvelhedz: You're welcome
[18:25] <brobostigon> DJones: i was playing on popey's joke.
[18:39] <Azelphur> haha, I have an excellent way of dealing with troublemakers on minecraft
[18:40] <Azelphur> "Repair the damage you did or ban"
[18:40] <Azelphur> I feel like the police officer who makes the kids clear the graffiti off the walls.
[18:46]  * DJones notes that Azelphur admits to looking like dixon of doc green :)
[18:46] <Azelphur> doc green? :P
[18:47] <DJones> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixon_of_Dock_Green
[18:47] <duvelhedz> Victory to Ireland. Hurray
[18:50] <DJones> heh, there will be a lot unhappy england fans tonight
[18:51]  * brobostigon  shakes fist at xorg, gpu lockup.
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> again?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> what kind of gpu?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> natty has special debugging enabled in the intel drivers
[18:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i didnt know, interesting, intel on my eeepc.
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.14.0-4ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> * apport-gpu-error-intel.py:
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> part of apport
[18:59] <ipopey> Moo
[18:59] <DJones> Quack
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> baah
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. "top 100 one-hit-wonders of the 80s"
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> go VH1 :)
[19:01] <DJones> MartijnVdS: No doubt "I am the one & only" will be No 1
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> DJones: nah. Dexys Midnight Runners, apparently
[19:03] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Come Eileen by any chance?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> DJones: exactly
[19:03] <DJones> Or for czajkowski, should that be "Come on Ireland" :)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> DJones: http://blog.vh1.com/2009-04-01/100-greatest-one-hit-wonders-of-the-80s-read-the-list-2/
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> haha - Shannon - Let the Music Play... heard a new remix of that a few months ago
[20:06] <penguin42> really helps when I remember to plug my laptop in
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> haha
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> oops
[20:30] <brunogirin> hi all, trying to configure a synaptics touchpad properly but now that ubuntu doesn't have an xorg.conf anymore, I'm struggling to do that via udev rules, in particular I can't seem to get the SHMConfig option to work, can anybody help?
[20:35] <dutchie> i probably could if it was actual simple harmonic motion
[20:35] <dutchie> not so good at udev rules as at differential equations though
[20:36] <directhex> you can still use an xorg.conf for some things
[20:37] <penguin42> brunogirin: You can create an xorg.conf or fraction there of
[20:38] <brunogirin> penguin42: so for instance, I could create an xorg.conf with just the input device configuration? where does it go? /etc?
[20:38] <penguin42> brunogirin: Yes you could - just create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf I think
[20:38] <penguin42> brunogirin: Ah sorry, it checks /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[20:40] <brunogirin> penguin42: and there is a file called 50-synaptics.conf in there, which is probably the one I want to modify, thanks :-)
[20:40] <penguin42> no prob
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> you don't want to modify files in /usr/
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> they get overwritten on upgrade
[20:42] <brunogirin> MartijnVdS: thanks for the advice, where should I create the correct config files so that they don't get overwritten on upgrade?
[20:42] <directhex> xorg.conf is fine.
[20:43] <directhex> consider that every nvidia-glx or fglrx user has one
[20:44] <brunogirin> directhex: ok, so if I create one using the method detailed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config and then remove everything I don't want to override, I should be ok?
[20:45] <directhex> more or less.
[20:46] <brunogirin> will try right now, thanks
[20:55] <duvelhedz> I never thought the English would be singing Allez Les Bleus!!
[20:55] <brunogirin> directhex: if I create a partial xorg.conf in /etc/X11 XOrg fails to start... should I create a xorg.conf.d directory and put my partial bits in there?
[20:55] <directhex> brunogirin, too partial, perhaps? what does xorg.0.log say?
[20:57] <brunogirin> directhex: ah ok, it tells me that the option I added (SHMConfig) is not valid in that section, I'll investigate further so see where it should go
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> shmconfig has been obsolete for a while now
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> You can set settings using xinput
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> xinput list
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> then xinput list-props id_of_device_here
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> and to set:
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> xinput set-prop id_here property_id new_value
[21:07] <brunogirin> MartijnVdS: ok, I was hoping to use SHMConfig to be able to run synclient -m in order to see what the different areas of the touchpad were so that I can set BottomEdge properly as I have a touchpad with integrated buttons
[21:08] <brunogirin> besides, how can I then set the preferences in a way that will work when rebooted? can I do that in udev rules?
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> you can see/set all that using xinput
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> well
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> don't know about the persistence bit
[21:30] <knightwise> morning !
[21:30] <knightwise> well... evening
[21:35] <jacobw> evening knightwise :)
[21:36] <knightwise> hey jacobw a
[21:36]  * jacobw is flicking through jono's book
[21:46] <phonex01> hello guys
[21:46] <phonex01> good night
[21:46] <phonex01> Hz you there ?
[21:55] <czajkowski> teeeheeeee
[21:56] <jacobw> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/19/super-moon-closest-point-years
[22:09] <DaveMorris> ok, I'm not sure if this device exists but I was looking for a device which appears as a FAt32 drive to the machine/device it's plugged into, but it infact pulls the data down via nfs/dlna
[22:13] <gord> DaveMorris, because fat32 is a map of blocks i don't think such a thing could reasonably exist
[22:13] <DaveMorris> in theory it could if the nfs share is FAT32
[22:13] <DaveMorris> does it make sense what I'm asking for?
[22:15] <Daviey> DaveMorris, You are looking for a virtual device which presents itself as a FAT32 disk, but is really an NFS share?
[22:15] <DaveMorris> yeha
[22:15] <gord> DaveMorris, and what happens when windows 98 attempts to defrag the drive?
[22:16] <DaveMorris> it's to enable my non DLNA blu-ray/tv/dvd players to become DLNA
[22:16] <DaveMorris> they are able to play files found on a USB stick fine
[22:17] <Daviey> DaveMorris, Never done it, but look at dummy_hcd
[22:19] <Daviey> Dave2, hmm - seems ideal, http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/samygo/index.php?title=Mounting_an_CIFS/SAMBA_share_on_a_USB_device_to_bypass_DLNA
[22:20] <Daviey> i imagine you could swap smb -> NFS.
[22:20] <DaveMorris> just found that
[22:20] <Daviey> heh
[22:20] <DaveMorris> looks like they are telnet'ing to the TV
[22:20] <DaveMorris> and mounting it like a standard nfs mount
[22:23] <Daviey> hmm
[22:24] <DaveMorris> initial research seems it's not easily done, or where it cna be done it's expensive
[22:24] <Daviey> DaveMorris, Hang on, so you want a physical usb device that is really network mounted storage, but presented as vfat?
[22:24] <DaveMorris> yes
[22:26] <Daviey> DaveMorris, I would say you need a linux device which allows you to convert a usb socket from host to device... they are pretty common.. I seem to remember my N810 could do it.
[22:27] <DaveMorris> yeah, thats what I was thinking but it's prob not worth the money to do it.
[22:30] <Daviey> DaveMorris, I wonder if it would be easier to do from a network block device, perhaps iscsi
[22:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris, I would like to know if you do bother, not that i need it, just interesting.
[22:35] <zleap> erm is it meercat or meerkat
[22:35] <zleap> trying to spell check my website
[22:36] <jacobw> meerkat
[22:36] <zleap> thanks
[22:37] <zleap> i thought i had corrected it, but aparently not, have done so now
[22:37] <zleap> so next time i upload it will be correct
[22:37] <jacobw> :)
[22:37] <Azelphur> someone on my minecraft server built a binary counter :o
[22:38] <Azelphur> it counts up to 7 in binary when you press button haha
[22:38] <zleap> nic
[22:38] <zleap> nice
[22:39] <phonex01> guys damn i found how to fix error with aircrack !
[22:40] <phonex01> it was not that easy but it is ok now
[22:40] <phonex01> my wifi fully support injection and monitor mode but the problem was with negative channel representation
[22:41] <czajkowski> teeeheeeee
[22:41] <dutchie> czajkowski: not a word
[22:41] <czajkowski> akoha :)
[22:41] <czajkowski> grin
[22:41] <dutchie> we still finished above you in the league
[22:42] <czajkowski> yes true. but the important game. we beat you
[22:42] <zleap> Daviey, you able to come to the next devon adn cornwall lug meet on the 2nd April ?
[22:42] <dutchie> we still won i am putting my fingers in my ears we won we won we won
[22:42] <zleap> who won
[22:42] <dutchie> england
[22:43] <czajkowski> :)
[22:43] <czajkowski> urelqnd
[22:43] <dutchie> (although ireland won today)
[22:43] <czajkowski> ireland
[22:43] <zleap> ah rugby
[22:43] <jacobw> lol @ urelqnd
[22:43] <zleap> yeah we won the six nations but not the grand slam
[22:44] <zleap> :(
[22:48] <Daviey> zleap, I really wanted to come to the one today, but daughter had an event i needed to take her to :(
[22:48] <zleap> ok np
[22:52] <zleap> well right now we have 3 venues and 3 meets amonth
[22:56] <marxjohnson> Can someone not currently in GMT do me a favour? Go to http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org and tell me what the countdown says?
[22:56] <marxjohnson> to the nearest hour is fine
[22:58] <Daviey> marxjohnson, Asking a channel full of people predominately in the UK, if they are on anything other than GMT? :)
[22:59] <mumbles_> yeh
[22:59] <AlanBell> marxjohnson: did you break it *again*
[22:59] <mumbles_> damm onley got one beer left
[23:01] <marxjohnson> Daviey: Silly idea I know, but this channel seems the most likely to be helpful in this case ;-)
[23:01] <marxjohnson> AlanBell this is what I'm trying to establish
[23:03] <marxjohnson> Aha, browsershots.org doesn't appear to be on GMT, so that's answered it for me, and it's working (aside from a small DST issue)
[23:09] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/wp-content/themes/uupc4/countdown.php looks good to me :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> I have to say, nobody does smugness quite the same way that czajkowski does smugness
[23:20] <Pendulum> AlanBell: good time out?
[23:21] <AlanBell> yup
[23:21] <AlanBell> did you watch online?
[23:21] <Pendulum> I watched all of England v. Ireland :)
[23:21] <Pendulum> and all of Scotland v. Italy
[23:22] <Pendulum> and other than the 30 minute period where the PPV stream didn't work (I can't say what I think of it in this channel ;) ), Wales v. France
[23:22] <Pendulum> almost wish I'd not been able to see the entirety of that last one though :-/
[23:23] <Pendulum> because then I wouldn't have tortured myself and would have felt justified claiming money back
[23:23] <AlanBell> I didn't pay much attention to it
[23:23] <AlanBell> we were mostly drowning our sorrows
[23:23] <Pendulum> other than czajkowski
[23:23] <AlanBell> other than czajkowski, yes
[23:23] <Pendulum> who I assume was drinking as celebration?
[23:24] <AlanBell> and some other Irish folk who were in the pub
[23:24] <Pendulum> Wales just kept making really stupid mistakes :(
[23:24] <Pendulum> and there was a bad call against them which ended up with Hooker being given a yellow card :(
[23:28] <bigcalm> Hey kids, what's shaking?
[23:28] <dutchie> perhaps not the best turn of phrase given recent events
[23:29] <Pendulum> hiya bigcalm
[23:33] <bigcalm> That's my parents' server updated to 9.10.  I think that updating to 10.04 can wait until the morning
[23:34] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:34] <bigcalm> Shame I couldn't jump from 9.04 to 10.04
[23:34] <bigcalm> Night AlanBell
[23:34]  * bigcalm sleeps as well
[23:34] <bigcalm> Night Pendulum :)
[23:35] <Pendulum> g'night bigcalm AlanBell
[23:36] <bigcalm> :)


[02:33] <rgat76> hi
[02:33] <rgat76> help
[02:34] <rgat76> it seems that ubuntu dapper it not friendly with wifi
[04:40] <DBO> hiya nathan__
[04:40] <nathan__> hi someone told me to come here to get a help
[04:40] <DBO> ok lets get you using your new desktop like a pro =)
[04:40] <DBO> I did =)
[04:40] <nathan__> alright sweet
[04:40] <nathan__> lol ok
[04:41] <DBO> Ok lets start with the most basic thing, installing new software
[04:41] <nathan__> alright sounds good
[04:41] <DBO> so you see the menus at the top right?
[04:41] <nathan__> yes
[04:42] <DBO> ok see the one that says applications?
[04:42] <nathan__> or do u mean top left?
[04:42] <DBO> go in there and click "Add/Remove"
[04:43] <nathan__> i found it on the top left and i clicked add programs?
[04:43] <DBO> yep =)
[04:44] <DBO> you are doing fine
[04:44] <nathan__> good
[04:44] <DBO> did a new window pop up
[04:44] <nathan__> yes
[04:44] <DBO> ok so this is the primary way you can install supported software on your system
[04:44] <nathan__> alright sweet
[04:44] <DBO> this contains a large variety of different software from passtime games to office software to educational suites
[04:45] <nathan__> alright
[04:45] <DBO> click on Games on the left
[04:45] <nathan__> lol i did
[04:45] <DBO> Scroll down till you find Sudoku
[04:46] <DBO> and check the box next to it
[04:46] <DBO> then press the apply button
[04:46] <DBO> it will ask you if the changes you have made are what you want
[04:46] <DBO> click apply again
[04:46] <nathan__> there isn't one called that
[04:47] <DBO> ok pick a different game
[04:47] <DBO> anything that looks interesting
[04:47] <DBO> (just nothing that starts with a K, Ill explain that later)
[04:48] <nathan__> ok i picked one
[04:48] <nathan__> im installing
[04:48] <DBO> =)
[04:49] <nathan__> downloading actually?
[04:49] <DBO> yep
[04:49] <DBO> it downloads it and installs it for you
[04:49] <nathan__> does that mean i download a game or software each time i install it?
[04:49] <DBO> yes, when you select new software to install it downloads it from the internet
[04:50] <DBO> if you are on a dial-up modem or have to pay through the nose for bandwidth there are ways to help mitigate your bandwidth usage
[04:50] <nathan__> what happens if i download it from somewhere else? and save it to my desktop or someitng does it still do that or is that more of an advanced thing to do?
[04:51] <DBO> you wont find yourself doing that
[04:51] <DBO> I take it you are an Apple user?
[04:51] <nathan__> lol no
[04:51] <nathan__> i just am not used to the typing commands and stuff
[04:52] <DBO> ok generally speaking you shouldnt need to go into the command line too much
[04:52] <DBO> you see a lot of that in #ubuntu because for guys like me its easier to get people to do exactly what we want that way
[04:52] <DBO> basically when we tech support the user becomes our eyes and hands into their terminals =P
[04:53] <DBO> however now that you have downloaded a single piece of software
[04:53] <DBO> let me explain the difference between ubuntu and the windows world when it comes to installing software
[04:53] <nathan__> yes and im playing it
[04:53] <nathan__> so it worked
[04:54] <DBO> in Ubuntu almost every piece of software you might want to install is kept in what is called a repository... this can be thought of as a giant software server
[04:54] <DBO> anything you want can be accessed through these servers
[04:54] <DBO> you dont run install programs
[04:54] <nathan__> ok gotcha
[04:54] <DBO> you dont have to download it yourself
[04:55] <DBO> its all just at your fingertips and you dont really have to worry about the gritty details, thats our job =)
[04:55] <nathan__> so what your are saying is that EVERYTHING is free?
[04:55] <DBO> EVERYTHING
[04:55] <nathan__> cool
[04:55] <nathan__> so basically its a server over the internet and i just download the stuff i want
[04:55] <DBO> right
[04:56] <nathan__> cool
[04:56] <DBO> and you can uninstall stuff the exact same way you just installed it
[04:56] <nathan__> cool
[04:56] <DBO> one word of warning however
[04:56] <DBO> software in the linux world has what are called "dependencies"
[04:56] <DBO> this means one piece of software might rely on another
[04:56] <nathan__> ok?
[04:56] <DBO> for example
[04:57] <DBO> you see the clock on the top right of your screen?
[04:57] <nathan__> yes
[04:57] <DBO> if you click on that a little calendar pops up
[04:57] <nathan__> yes
[04:57] <DBO> that calendar is actually managed by another application called Evolution, which is a personal information manager (email, notes, contacts, and calendar)
[04:57] <DBO> so for that to work, you must also have evolution installed
[04:57] <nathan__> ah
[04:58] <DBO> so what would happen if you were to try to uninstall evolution you ask?
[04:58] <nathan__> hense dependencies lol
[04:58] <nathan__> it wouldn't work
[04:58] <DBO> well... because that little calendar at the top right depends on it, it will uninstall that too
[04:58] <nathan__> ok good to know
[04:58] <DBO> because dependencies are not suggestions, in linux they are mandatory
[04:58] <DBO> however, that said, the package manager will take care of that for you
[04:58] <nathan__> how would u find out what is linked to what?
[04:58] <DBO> if something depends on something else, it will install both for you
[04:59] <nathan__> like how do u know that the callender is linked
[04:59] <DBO> how do I know myself?  I know how it works
[04:59] <DBO> but here is the general rule
[04:59] <DBO> everything you install yourself you are allowed to uninstall
[04:59] <nathan__> ok
[04:59] <DBO> everything else is considered to be part of the base system
[04:59] <DBO> and should not be removed
[05:00] <nathan__> alright so just like windows
[05:00] <DBO> simple enough?
[05:00] <nathan__> yes i think
[05:00] <DBO> ok, so one thing you will find is that in Ubuntu there are three levels of software support
[05:01] <DBO> there is officially supported software
[05:01] <nathan__> do i have the latest verison of Linux?
[05:01] <nathan__> ok
[05:01] <DBO> unofficially supported software
[05:01] <DBO> and non-free (as in not GPL, still free as in money) unofficially supported software
[05:02] <DBO> currently, you only have enabled access to the first type
[05:02] <nathan__> ok
[05:02] <DBO> lets go ahead and enable the last two since it gives you access to more software =)
[05:02] <nathan__> ok sweet
[05:02] <DBO> so now we need to enable them
[05:03] <DBO> if you go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[05:03] <DBO> it will ask you for your password again (security is everything)
[05:03] <DBO> and then a new box will pop up
[05:03] <DBO> do you see it?
[05:03] <nathan__> its not there
[05:04] <DBO> really?
[05:04] <nathan__> yes
[05:05] <DBO> ok no big deal
[05:05] <nathan__> ok good
[05:06] <DBO> go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[05:06] <DBO> sometimes my menus differ from users because I have a bad tendency to change things =P
[05:06] <nathan__> ok
[05:06] <DBO> Synaptic is the big scary brother of the add remove program you used earlier
[05:07] <DBO> this thing shows you EVERYTHING you would want to know about software available to you
[05:07] <DBO> in here we are going to go to Settings -> Repositories
[05:07] <nathan__> ok
[05:08] <DBO> and a now window will pop up
[05:08] <DBO> there are 5 or so checkboxes
[05:08] <DBO> go ahead and check them all =)
[05:08] <DBO> then press the close button
[05:08] <nathan__> breezy badger?
[05:09] <DBO> oh thats why its not there, you are on 5.10
[05:09] <nathan__> i take it i need these updates
[05:09] <DBO> that came out a little less than two years ago
[05:09] <nathan__> lol i just got it from a friend
[05:09] <nathan__> but he said it was old
[05:09] <nathan__> and u update it like every 6 months
[05:09] <DBO> thats ok, nice thing about Ubuntu, you can upgrade it =)
[05:10] <nathan__> ok so what i need to do is update ?
[05:10] <DBO> yeah just close everything
[05:10] <DBO> (except this chat)
[05:10] <DBO> we will use the update manager
[05:12] <DBO> is there System -> Administration -> Update Manager
[05:12] <DBO> available to you?
[05:12] <nathan__> ok so don't do anything with the other thing
[05:12] <DBO> yep
[05:12] <DBO> just close it all down
[05:12] <nathan__> synaptic close right
[05:12] <DBO> yep =)
[05:12] <DBO> btw, are you on highspeed
[05:12] <nathan__> satilite
[05:12] <nathan__> about 150 down
[05:13] <DBO> do you get charged by the bandwidth or is it unlimited?
[05:13] <nathan__> i get charged if i got over but yeah I wont
[05:13] <nathan__> cause i haven't downloaded in a long time
[05:13] <nathan__> i get 80 GB a month
[05:13] <DBO> ok well let me lay out the two options here
[05:13] <nathan__> i use about 30 average
[05:14] <nathan__> 228 megs
[05:14] <DBO> option A) we go through the upgrade procedure, this means you dont have to reinstall but since badger is so old, we have to go badger -> dapper -> edgy -> feisty
[05:14] <nathan__> damn
[05:15] <DBO> the other option is to have you download the feisty install CD and reinstall
[05:15] <DBO> which will save you bandwidth and probably time
[05:15] <nathan__> ok so how do i do that?
[05:15] <DBO> are you comfortable enough to be able to install it on your own?
[05:15] <nathan__> lol i got this one didn't i LOL
[05:15] <DBO> I wasnt sure
[05:16] <nathan__> however i don't like the damn boot loader
[05:16] <DBO> but yes you did =)
[05:16] <DBO> I can show you how to make the boot loader pretty =)
[05:16] <nathan__> i have windows XP, Vista, and this
[05:16] <nathan__> i have acronis boot loader and i love it
[05:16] <DBO> shhhh... those are heathen words around here =P
[05:17] <nathan__> lol
[05:17] <DBO> where do you live (need to know to get you a fast mirror)
[05:17] <nathan__> West of Chicago about 50 Miles
[05:18] <DBO> hey, Im in michigan =)
[05:18] <nathan__> cool
[05:18] <DBO> http://mirrors.cs.wmich.edu/ubuntu-releases/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[05:18] <nathan__> how big is this final going to be?
[05:18] <DBO> there you go
[05:18] <DBO> 1 CD worth
[05:19] <nathan__> dvd or CD
[05:19] <DBO> CD
[05:19] <DBO> 700MB
[05:19] <DBO> you have a CD burner?
[05:19] <nathan__> yup
[05:19] <nathan__> do i have the software on here?
[05:19] <DBO> goodie =)
[05:19] <DBO> yes you do
[05:20] <nathan__> or do i have to download something?
[05:20] <nathan__> sweet
[05:20] <nathan__> what's it called?
[05:20] <DBO> goooooood question
[05:20] <nathan__> 2% done
[05:21] <DBO> i think its called gnomebaker
[05:22] <nathan__> lol ok?
[05:22] <Spiker__> The basic one?
[05:22] <Spiker__> Doesn't it do it from Nautlis?
[05:22] <DBO> did it do that in breezy?
[05:22] <Spiker__> Hmm
[05:23] <Spiker__> If I remember correctly
[05:23] <DBO> nathan__, when it finishes downloading see if right clicking on it gives an option to burn it
[05:23] <DBO> it should...
[05:23] <nathan__> im installing gnomebaker
[05:23] <Spiker__> Or just open your cd drive in Nautlis, and it should have something for burning cd's
[05:24] <DBO> well he needs to burn an ISO not a data CD
[05:24] <Spiker__> Ah
[05:24] <DBO> I know nautilus hasnt properly checked for that until recently
[05:24] <Spiker__> Yeah
[05:24] <nathan__> so i installed the software
[05:25] <DBO> =)
[05:25] <DBO> wanna see what my desktop looks like while you wait?
[05:25] <nathan__> sure
[05:25] <Spiker__> Quick question
[05:25] <Spiker__> Is there some way I can have my wifi connect at startup without having to use the keyring manager?
[05:26] <Spiker__> That's been bugging me for the longest time
[05:26] <DBO> yeah, you need to specify its settings in /etc/network or whatever the hell it is called, which interface is your wireless?
[05:26] <Spiker__> wlan0
[05:26] <DBO> and WEP, WPA?
[05:27] <Spiker__> wpa2
[05:27] <nathan__> DBO be right back i need a cd
[05:27] <Spiker__> All with a broadcom :/
[05:27] <DBO> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2711949   <--- check that out Spiker__
[05:28] <DBO> if you get lost feel free to ask
[05:28] <DBO> http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwn7.png  <--- my previous desktop
[05:28] <DBO> precious
[05:29] <Spiker__> Ah, it's not a problem with connecting, I just want to know if there's someway to skip entering a password to unlock it
[05:29] <DBO> thats how you do it
[05:29] <DBO> if you add the information to /etc/network/interfaces
[05:29] <DBO> it wont ask
[05:30] <nathan__> pretty sweet picture DBO
[05:30] <DBO> since Network Manager is no longer handling it (I hate that thing)
[05:30] <DBO> nathan__, I love customizing =)
[05:30] <nathan__> i can tell
[05:30] <nathan__> someday lol
[05:31] <nathan__> yeah this is not taking as along as i thought
[05:32] <DBO> what, the download?
[05:32] <nathan__> yeah
[05:32] <nathan__> 20 percent
[05:32] <nathan__> said an hour when i started
[05:33] <nathan__> so what else do i need to know how to do?
[05:35] <DBO> for now, you are doing well =)
[05:35] <DBO> lets get feisty going
[02:21] <LjL> ubotwo part
[09:23] <alvins> hay alguien aqui?
[09:23] <alvins> hello
[09:23] <alvins> anybody here?
[09:29] <nalioth> hi alvins
[09:29] <alvins> hi
[09:29] <alvins> how are you?
[09:29] <nalioth> ok, what's up?
[09:29] <alvins> i'm from venezuela
[09:29] <alvins> i have a little question
[09:30] <alvins> my english is not so good, but i'm work in it
[09:31] <alvins> i've a laptop toshiba tecra a6 sp561
[09:31] <alvins> what application a i need to install to monitoring my cpu, the frecuency and temperature?
[09:34] <alvins> i think that the temperature is so hot and i can't monitoring it
[09:34] <alvins> can you help me?
[09:37] <nalioth> alvins: they weren't able to help you in #ubuntu ?
[10:38] <azteech> hi everyone. Anyone here have a link to any howto's for dual booting 32- and 64-bit feisty?


[09:48] <cup`ocoffee> actually the current Pi2 is Armv7 … idk maybe you will want to change the channel description…
[09:49] <k1l_> pi =! pi2
[09:49] <cup`ocoffee> well, ok :)
[09:49] <k1l_> :)


[23:19] <beata|lemur> Is there a way to update a local git tree from one release to the next? Or would it be recommended to start over with a fresh clone? I'm using the tree to support a device-specific custom build.


[20:52] <sdistefano> hi ; I need help setting up my sound card
[20:52] <sdistefano> I can't get it to output SPDIF
[20:52] <sdistefano> and speaker-test -D iec958 gets me Channels count (1) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument
[20:53] <kunji> jiffe98: Huh, come to think of it, I've never tried playing one... don't even have a blu-ray drive.  I'm pretty sure that I heard it works though.  Maybe you need some stuff from the medibuntu repos?  It would be good if you let people know what you've tried so far.  This seems to be one way: http://vlc-bluray.whoknowsmy.name/
[20:53] <kunji> jiffe98: Found it through this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/140080/playing-blu-ray-using-vlc
[20:55] <kunji> jiffe98: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/releases/2.0.4.html If you read the input and devices section they say they don't ship aacs and bc+drm libs and keys for legal reasons, that first site basically covers getting them
[20:57] <Maxwell> Pasteninit said it was an empty file.
[20:58] <tim> anybody have any idea why torrent files will not download anymore while using ubuntu but will with windows and also Linux booted from a cd
[20:58] <tim> ?
[20:59] <tim> been this way for months
[21:00] <shbk> hello, does anyone know whether it's possible to look content of /usr/share/misc/magic.mgc in the  understood form?  I need know what magic number it uses for detecting files  for program in c++ (which is supposed to work in windows too, and I wouldn't like to use library)
[21:00] <kunji> tim: I don't know, but more details would help others to help you.  What torrent programs are you using, can you find any logs or error messages that may be related?  Paste all the data you can find and link it.
[21:01] <ahhdem> hi, I'm having a problem.. I'm migrating some hosts from 10.10 to 12.04 and noticing some -select- bash builtins will not work with 'sudo -u user -i "cd /opt/something && ls" '   -- this previously worked on 10.10.  pushd also does not work, but strangely, umask does.
[21:02] <ahhdem> I've been reading the changelog between sudo 1.7.2 and 1.8.3 but not finding anything indicative of a default behavior change.. can anyone point me in the right direction?
[21:02] <Static465> need help with bash script, anyone ?
[21:02] <IOmegaZ> hi
[21:02] <root-_Plebeu> alguem ai e do brasil ?
[21:02] <kunji> !details | Static465
[21:03] <onefix_work> Static465: What is the problem?
[21:03] <IOmegaZ> i got a quick question
[21:03] <designbybeck__> on a flash site, it wants me to click ok to accept for video/mic but it will not let me click on it in Linux
[21:03] <kunji> !ask | IOmegaZ
[21:03] <TUplink> im so cunfused with this    initramfs-tools : Depends: initramfs-tools-bin (< 0.99ubuntu13.1~) but 0.99ubuntu13.1 is to be installed
[21:04] <onefix_work> Static465: http://pastebin.com/ if you can put the script on PasteBin, it will make it easier to debug.
[21:04] <IOmegaZ> when i try to to install ubuntu with ubuntu installer i get an error occurred list index out of range
[21:04] <Static465> onefix_work: i have a script which is called by: ./script.sh foo, later on i use a command which also uses $1: wc -c recovery.img | awk '{print $1}
[21:05] <Static465> onefix_work: so the $1 gets mixed up.
[21:05] <Threepwood> IOmegaZ: sounds like a python error :)
[21:05] <onefix_work> Did you remember to use the end quote?
[21:06] <Static465> onefix_work: yeah
[21:06] <onefix_work> Static465: Also, try this : wc -c recovery.img | awk '{print \$1}'
[21:06] <IOmegaZ> what shall i do?
[21:06] <Static465> onefix_work: $1 is already occupied by foo, so the awk command fails.
[21:07] <TUplink> can i delete /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin?
[21:07] <IOmegaZ> what shall i do?
[21:07] <onefix_work> Static465: Problem is that the $1 shouldn't be a problem...the braces should tell it not to treat it as a string.
[21:08] <Threepwood> IOmegaZ: is it this one? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1192669
[21:08] <onefix_work> Static465: You might also want to try adding "-F" to the awk command
[21:09] <Static465> onefix_work: gonna try it, bb in a couple of mins ..
[21:09] <onefix_work> Static465: The biggest question is does the command you are trying to run work outside of your script?
[21:17] <morfeo_81> hi there!
[21:17] <Static465> onefix_work: awk: unexpected token, printf: invalid number
[21:17] <djzn> anyone using LVM here ?
[21:17] <morfeo_81> how can add the path to enviroment...?
[21:17] <thoonai> scanimage outout in tiff doesnt work
[21:18] <morfeo_81> how can add the path to enviroment...? It is better to put in enviroment  file or in profile
[21:19] <Static465> onefix_work: http://pastebin.com/y6c0L7jS
[21:19] <jrib> morfeo_81: use ~/.profile (if you need some scripting logic) or ~/.pam_environment
[21:20] <morfeo_81> jrib, thanks so how can set more path  in onw
[21:20] <jrib> morfeo_81: what do you want to add?
[21:21] <morfeo_81> jrib, I need to give a path on /opt/software/
[21:21] <Static465> does anyone know how to circumvent the $1 in the awk/printf command: http://pastebin.com/y6c0L7jS
[21:22] <morfeo_81> jrib, I have different bin for  each program so I need to set for 5 programs
[21:22] <jrib> morfeo_81: there's an example in ~/.profile though you may want to consider just symlinking those 5 programs to some existing component in your path
[21:23] <thoonai> scanimage doesnt work
[21:24] <morfeo_81> jrib, could you please explain me how can I do the second part..you mean ln -s?
[21:24] <jrib> morfeo_81: yes, I mean ln -s TARGET NAME
[21:24] <[ent]> how do i set a whole directory as non read only
[21:24] <[ent]> in ubuntu
[21:25] <kunji> thoonai: I'm testing right now
[21:26] <[ent]> chmod doesn't do it
[21:26] <zykotick9> [ent]: actually chmod can do it...
[21:26] <[ent]> how?
[21:26] <kunji> thoonai: Works for me: scanimage -d hpaio:/usb/Photosmart_C4200_series?serial=CN799MF0ZS04VP --format tiff > tiffScan
[21:26] <thoonai> kunji: thanks
[21:27] <aarndt> hi
[21:27] <jrib> [ent]: what directory?
[21:27] <kunji> thoonai: You device will be different of course though, but you know that, as you had it working for PNM I think.
[21:27] <kunji> *Your
[21:27] <[ent]> jrib any directory
[21:28] <wellywu> Does anyone here use Rookcifer's Novell AppArmor profiles for X-Chat and Pidgin? Do they work for you?
[21:28] <jrib> [ent]: you should say which directory.  Since if you use chmod inappropriately on the wrong directory you can end up with a broken install
[21:28] <morfeo_81> where I can found  boostlib >= 1.38.0... library?
[21:28] <zykotick9> jrib: +1
[21:29] <kunji> Actually chmod might not be able to (in the case where the filesystem is NTFS for instance)
[21:29] <xrs> having an odd issue: when downloading files specified to save to my external hard drive, the files appear to go to the drive; they are there if i view it in thunar, but if i unplug the drive, the files are not on it, the file are instead located in /media/$user/$drive (where they would have been if the drive was connected)
[21:30] <Linux_Alien> Hi, I am installing ubuntu 12.10 on a compaq presario laptop. The live system works 100% but when trying to install to drive, the install just sits doing nothing at "creating user....."it's been creating the user now for about 3 hours :( Any idea's?
[21:30] <zykotick9> kunji: good point.
[21:30] <jrib> kunji: what if you suid bash? /me runs
[21:31] <monst__> jrib: sorry home internet went out
[21:31] <monst__> at the office now
[21:32] <jrib> monst__: any change?
[21:32] <monst__> still the same
[21:32] <MacroMan> I've just installed 12.04 and put on gnome, but I'm missing any VPN options from the network widget. Any idea how I can get them?
[21:33] <jrib> monst__: I was going to suggest "apt-get install glance-common glance-api glance-registry glance" if you can't remove them.  There are new versions available anyway.  Also, is it clear it's a dependency issue as the root cause?
[21:33] <kunji> jrib: /me runs?  It's been too long since I've really dealt with permissions, I've forgotten anything complicated.
[21:33] <jrib> kunji: may I pm?
[21:33] <kunji> jrib: sure
[21:34] <Kinglet> hello guys, how can i ssh via tor in my terminal?
[21:34] <Kinglet> i cannot set proxy for my terminal
[21:34] <monst__> jrib: according the rackspace guys its a dependecy issue
[21:34] <Kinglet> how should i do?
[21:34] <monst__> they seemed to think the repo was amiss
[21:35] <monst__> http://paste.openstack.org/raw/30072/
[21:35] <Kinglet> hello guys, how can i ssh via tor in my terminal?
[21:35] <Kinglet> i cannot set proxy for my terminal
[21:35] <Kinglet> how should i do?
[21:36] <MacroMan> Kinglet, Be patient, this isn't a instant answer service. No one is paid here.
[21:36] <morfeo_81> !cufflink
[21:36] <Kinglet> MacroMan, i know, ok
[21:36] <jrib> monst__: oh, glance-common depends on python-glance (= 2012.2.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0) but you have the later version installed (2012.2.1-0ubuntu1.1~cloud0).  Uh, can you put up « apt-cache policy glance-common python-glance »?  I closed your previous paste
[21:37] <monst__> sure
[21:37] <jrib> Kinglet: no idea if the docs discuss it, but you can check them out while you wait (see ubottu's message)
[21:37] <jrib> !tor | Kinglet
[21:38] <Kinglet> jrib, tor is installed in my machine, i want to ssh via tor from console
[21:38] <monst__> jrib: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/30073/
[21:39] <jrib> Kinglet: I understand.  I don't know how to do that, but you can browse the docs at that link while you wait for an answer
[21:39] <kunji> Kinglet: My second google result: http://www.howtoforge.com/anonymous-ssh-sessions-with-tor
[21:40] <jrib> monst__: hmm, why doesn't apt grab the 1.1 of glance-common...
[21:40] <monst__> can I do that manually?
[21:40] <Kinglet> jrib, ok thanx man
[21:40] <magdy> I need to talk to some one interested in Java Programming system design and Algorithms
[21:41] <jrib> monst__: it might be trying to configure the old one before upgrading?  What versions were last working?  And are you in a position to just remove them and reinstall them at this point?
[21:42] <monst__> lets say I was able to kill this machine
[21:42] <monst__> what commands would you suggest
[21:42] <schultza> !lines
[21:42] <BluesKaj> magdy,I would tell you to  join #java, but apparently you must be invited first ., perhaps #freenode can tell you how
[21:42] <monst__> I am still doing some backups
[21:43] <schultza> !multiple
[21:43] <Star_Light> hello I want a command ... especially I want the version of find command in order to look for a c source file in etc directory..... I pushed find /etc -name "*.c" -print but I take some strange output with files like http://ideone.com/oDr4CG chatsscripts fro example is .c source file?
[21:43] <schultza> what is the site if your are going to post multiple line responses for use in irc?
[21:43] <Star_Light> for*
[21:43] <monst__> jrib: yeah I can blow this thing away noe
[21:43] <monst__> now
[21:43] <magdy> Thanks a lot
[21:43] <aLeSD> hi all
[21:43] <zykotick9> !paste | schultza
[21:43] <RollinV2> schultza, paste.ubuntu.com
[21:44] <jrib> monst__: well let's wait for the backups to finish. But the easiest thing to do would be to just remove all 4 of those packages: sudo apt-get remove glance-common glance-api  glance-registry glance    . Let's see if that works first
[21:44] <aLeSD> I installed nvidia drivers .. but the screen now is 3 times little
[21:44] <monst__> jrib: they are finished
[21:44] <aLeSD> and multiplied 3 times
[21:44] <jrib> monst__: alright, see if apt will let you remove those packages
[21:44] <monst__> kk
[21:45] <aLeSD> someone knows how to solve the problem ?
[21:45] <Kinglet> kunji, yes i've seen that, but theres no ~/.ssh/config
[21:47] <kunji> Kinglet: Ah, create it then mkdir ~/.ssh  touch ~/.ssh/config  I think it should be in the path ssh looks at.  Otherwise I think you can place those in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but that is for all users.
[21:48] <kunji> Kinglet: Also are you sure you don't have it?  Check with ls -la  as .ssh will be a hidden file.
[21:48] <Kinglet> kunji, yes i'm sure!
[21:48] <Kinglet> kunji, i did
[21:48] <jrib> Kinglet: you've never used ssh before on the machine?
[21:48] <Kinglet> kunji, i'll touch, thanx, i'm trying that way
[21:49] <Kinglet> jrib, yea i managed my servers via ssh at my ubuntu box :)
[21:53] <monst__> jrib: it resolved
[21:53] <jrib> monst__: cool
[21:53] <monst__> after removed those packages and reinstalling
[21:53] <monst__> appreciate your help
[21:53] <jrib> monst__: I don't know why python-glance got installed at a later version before the rest of the things.  If you want, maybe you could try to replicate and file a bug
[21:54] <Kinglet> jrib, kunji kinglet@blackbox:$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 22022
[21:54] <Kinglet> Bad owner or permissions on /home/kinglet/.ssh/config
[21:55] <nwp> is anyone here successfully running ubuntu 12.10 on a 2012 model (6,1 or 6,2) mac mini? wifi I have no problem with, network will be a pain but possible, the thing that looks like being the killer is video problem.
[21:55] <kunji> Kinglet: From the man page:      ~/.ssh/config
[21:55] <kunji>              This is the per-user configuration file.  The format of this file is described above.  This file is used by the SSH client.  Because of the potential for abuse, this file must have strict permissions:
[21:55] <kunji>              read/write for the user, and not accessible by others.  It may be group-writable provided that the group in question contains only the user.
[21:55] <Kinglet> kunji, jrib i created the config file in ~/.ssh and put these in it Host *
[21:55] <Kinglet> CheckHostIP no
[21:55] <Kinglet> Compression yes
[21:55] <Kinglet> Protocol 2
[21:55] <Kinglet> ProxyCommand connect -4 -S localhost:9050 $(tor-resolve %h localhost:9050) %p
[21:56] <FloodBot1> Kinglet: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:56] <kunji> Kinglet: Read man ssh_config
[21:57] <nwp> and if not a mac mini, anyone else with 3rd gen intel hd 4000 graphics got it working right?
[21:57] <jrib> Kinglet: ls -ld ~/.ssh{,/config}
[21:57] <Kinglet> kunji, yes! i changed the perms to 644, i think it's ok now
[21:59] <Kinglet> kunji, thanx man, it's ok! i'm connecting to ssh via tor now. the problem was for permissions :)
[22:00] <Kinglet> kunji, jrib solved. thanx guys :)
[22:00] <kunji> Kinglet: glad it worked out ^_^
[22:00] <Slynux> hi, i need delete a mysql server
[22:00] <monst__> jrib: will do
[22:01] <Slynux> could yo please help me?
[22:02] <zappie> hi :)
[22:03] <kunji> Slynux: Are you sure?  You might want to consider the words delete and server in your question.  Maybe you mean to uninstall mysql, or do delete one database from mysql?
[22:03] <kunji> *to
[22:04] <Slynux> i delete the folders by error and now i can't uninstall the mysql server
[22:04] <zappie> kunji: is there a channel on this massive server where i can talk to london ppl? :)
[22:05] <flintser> zappie: try #london
[22:05] <Slynux> i need purge mysql in my server
[22:05] <kunji> Slynux: try installing again, then uninstalling
[22:05] <zappie> thx flintser :)
[22:05] <kunji> !cookie | flintser
[22:05] <Slynux> i try that but show me a dependences conflict
[22:06] <flintser> zappie: it seems that it is invite only though :D
[22:06] <zappie> there are invites only to #london
[22:06] <zappie> y  :P
[22:07] <kunji> Slynux: Hmm, pastebin the error, I don't know what I'm doing with dependencies but it will help for some else that does to help you.
[22:07] <zappie> flintser: and you can help me with that? ;)
[22:07] <Slynux> errors to process mysql-server and mysql-server5.5
[22:07] <flintser> zappie: ircnet has 33 users at #london, try there ^^
[22:07] <Pici> !uk
[22:08] <setient> anyone here ever use ubuntu powerpc?
[22:08] <setient> i am going to be trying it
[22:08] <kunji> T.T they get the good English there!?!?!  You guys might not see me again :P
[22:09] <kunji> setient: Yes, good luck brace yourself.  You will likely encounter obscure problems and they won't be the ones I encountered, T.T
[22:09] <setient> kunji: i am used to linux/unix on non x86.
[22:09] <setient> it is an ibook clamshell g3
[22:09] <setient> 466 mhz of awesome
[22:10] <zappie> flintser: ok... you have a name?... from one operator on #london? i may need one..... to connect ;)
[22:10] <petersaints> I'm getting this error "libv4l2: error turning on stream: Protocol error" with my webcam
[22:10] <kunji> Setient: Oh, maybe they will be the same then, let me know how it goes, if all went smoothly I may dig mine out again.
[22:10] <petersaints> any idea how to fix it?
[22:10] <setient> kunji: i am going to use this as my only laptop methinks
[22:11] <flintser> why'd you want ubuntu on mac
[22:11] <setient> why not?
[22:11] <setient> i mean i could put netbsd/freebsd/openbsd on it
[22:11] <setient> or gentoo or debian
[22:12] <kunji> flintser: I've got Arch on mine at the moment
[22:12] <setient> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Install_Guide_on_a_PowerPC OH
[22:12] <setient> i could do that
[22:12] <flintser> dunno, i just like the OSX. i'd install it to my pc if i could
[22:13] <flintser> zappie: if you use irssi try /connect irc.cc.tut.fi and after that /j #london
[22:13] <flintser> i dont know other ircnet servers
[22:13] <kunji> flintser: I rather dislike OSX... and pretty much everything Apple this laptop being pretty much my only exception.
[22:16] <flintser> i have a place in my heart for apple :) i really don't know why. they are so expensive and can't do much. still i like the feel of them. and osx.
[22:17] <flintser> i just want the osx basically...
[22:17] <setient> man
[22:17] <setient> i can't even get it to boot.
[22:17] <setient> osx is so bad.
[22:17] <setient> i hate it
[22:17] <kunji> flintser: You're over 30 aren't you?  They used be quite a different company.
[22:17] <setient> i also miss non x86 laptops
[22:17] <setient> or desktops
[22:19] <flintser> nope. im 18.
[22:20] <nwp> flintser: if you must know, it's because the ubuntu bit is non-negotiable and I value small, quiet, reasonably priced, solid hardware. Seems they've messed up with the "reliable" on this model, but...
[22:20] <kunji> flintser: Hmm, then I guess I don't understand your stance on Apple at all then, oh well. :P
[22:21] <nwp> and I can't get an intense pc here at the moment, although it may be an option soon
[22:21] <nwp> still intel hd graphics 4000 though, hence the second question
[22:21] <setient> kunji: i have some sparc laptops too.
[22:21] <setient> i am awesome.
[22:23] <flintser> nwp: actually i'd really like a raspberry pi for that use... small, quiet, reasonably priced, dunno about reliability though.
[22:23] <nwp> flintser: although if you have any other suggestions for something that meets that description that doesn't involve Apple, I'm all ears. I have yet to see it though. Pi not fast enough.
[22:23] <nwp> It's for a desktop, and I need to be able to run VMs on it.
[22:24] <flintser> lenovo t420
[22:24] <nwp> Which is one reason my old 24" iMac is going out the door (4G RAM max). Also the HDD is failing.
[22:24] <flintser> i can recommend that one for sure
[22:24] <DrGrov> Good evening everyone. I am having some weird issues on 12.04. I am running Google Chrome and watched some web content via Flash and I get thrown out to the login screen once in a while. Has happened now for 1 time / day for the past few days. Any ideas what might be causing it?
[22:24] <nwp> flintser: don't want a laptop
[22:24] <tremby> hi. i've got my friend to try out Ubuntu. he has a PDF which needs javascript and Evince can't do that. i tried on acroread on my own machine and it works, so i'm trying to take him through installing it with software center. it won't show up in searches, so i've made sure he has switched on "Canonical Partners". on mine it appears, on his it still does not. i can't find how to force an apt-get update through software centre. any idea?
[22:25] <DrGrov> Could it be connected with my xorg.conf configuration and nVidia GPU? I forced 1920x1080 resolution as a modeline in xorg.conf and have not had any issues until now this past week.
[22:25] <jrib> tremby: do you know the package name?
[22:25] <tremby> jrib: yes, it's acroread
[22:26] <jrib> tremby: what's the output of « apt-cache policy acroread » on your machine?
[22:26] <tremby> mine or his
[22:26] <jrib> tremby: yours :)
[22:26] <tremby> http://sprunge.us/THEI
[22:27] <jrib> tremby: « sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy acroread »   on your friend's machine
[22:27] <flintser> nwp: http://www.tinygreenpc.com/fit-pc/intense-pc.aspx i have no experience nor can i say anything about it, but maybe that meets yout needs :)
[22:28] <tremby> jrib: ah but on my other machine i get http://sprunge.us/aCaL
[22:28] <tremby> jrib: no, the whole point is that i don't want him to see the command line. i want to do this with software center
[22:28] <DrGrov> Brb
[22:28] <tremby> otherwise i'd just install it with apt-get for him
[22:28] <jrib> tremby: just to debug the issue
[22:29] <WBF> Hello everyone! I have a problem with network manager. I tried to install a network driver but it isn't working and when I say modprobe -l it doesn't list the module I Installed.
[22:29] <jrib> tremby: instead of apt-get update, you can use refresh or whatever it is in software center
[22:29] <nwp> flintser: as I said, can't get it yet but may be an option soon. still hd4000 graphics though, so want to know whether people are having good results with them at all, not just on mini 6,1/6,2
[22:29] <chaos_plague> hi first time using irssi how do i turn off user join/leave channel
[22:29] <jrib> !quietirssi | chaos_plague
[22:29] <chaos_plague> thank you
[22:30] <nwp> flintser: btw see compulab.co.il for more on intense pc etc.
[22:30] <jrib> tremby: because it's not clear whether the package is just not available to your friend or it is but software center is choosing not to show it
[22:30] <nwp> they do seem to be the only people doing what everyone and their dog *ought* to be doing.
[22:30] <flintser> tremby: is foxit reader in ubuntu repos?
[22:30] <WBF> How do I make freenode webchat avoid join/part/quit channel in this #ubuntu channel?
[22:30] <tremby> jrib: let's debug on my other machine, where i believe i'm seeing the same thing as him
[22:30] <tremby> so my second sprunge above
[22:31] <jrib> tremby: so you don't see acroread in software center?
[22:31] <tremby> nope
[22:31] <jrib> tremby: how about in synaptic?
[22:31] <jbwiv> windows 8 has a nice view in Task Manager where you can see a process's resource usage over time. Makes it easy to see what is abusing resources at certain points...not necessarily just at the moment (like top or the regular Task Manager does). Are there any utilities like this for linux? one that I can run and check back on in an hour and see what processes were most impactful over that time? tia
[22:31] <tremby> flintser: doesn't look like it
[22:31] <jrib> tremby: I think software-center doesn't show certain packages for whatever reason
[22:31] <tremby> jrib: thing is, on my laptop i do see it
[22:32] <jrib> tremby: could be because it is already installed
[22:32] <tremby> and see in the output of the command you gave me the 500 messages
[22:32] <tremby> 500 is a server error
[22:32] <jrib> tremby: you mean in your paste?
[22:32] <tremby> i've uninstalled it on my laptop and it does still appear in software centre
[22:32] <tremby> yes i mean in the paste
[22:32] <jrib> tremby: that's normal, that's the priority
[22:32] <DrGrov> Is there any troubleshooting I can do for this Google Chrome issue?
[22:32] <thinklinux> hello
[22:32] <tremby> oh, i thought it was an error code
[22:32] <tremby> ok
[22:33] <tremby> i've 99% sure it's just because apt-get update hasn't run
[22:33] <tremby> how do i tell software center to do that?
[22:33] <tremby> or does that apt-cache policy line tell you that's not the issue
[22:34] <flintser> nwp: now that i look at it i might buy intense-pc for home media center + running irssi and ftp servers
[22:34] <PingIT> Hi just got a fast question here, i can se my wtmp gets a little big, wood it be safe to ln -s /dev/null /var/log/wtmp the file?
[22:34] <flintser> never knew those existed before
[22:34] <thinklinux> anyone ever experienced this, was surfing the web and suddenly shows a black screen (in fullscreen) with a bunch of text scrolling down really fast...had to end up a doing a hard reboot..(ubuntu 12.10)
[22:35] <jrib> tremby: correct, but if you want to you can go to software-sources in the edit menu and probably just toggle something
[22:35] <chaos_plague> my terminal window only shows messages in the currect screen it clears any messages that i must scroll up to see is there a way to change that?
[22:35] <JosthynPower> alguien habla español
[22:35] <tremby> jrib: i've tried that, toggled various sources off and on and i never get an offer to update and it still isn't showing in searches
[22:35] <jrib> tremby: does it show up in synaptic ok?
[22:35] <tremby> but i do aptitude search acroread and there it is
[22:36] <tremby> i didn't install synaptic yet, i'll do that now
[22:36] <thoonai> kunji: yuo are great.
[22:36] <WBF> thinklinux: was there 2 penguins? an ubuntu symbol? what was there on the top of the screen? the only time I experince that is when I boot my custom linux pc.
[22:36] <jrib> tremby: not every package is displayed in software-center I think (like dev libraries).  I don't know too much about that
[22:36] <thoonai> kunji: thx. I somehow overread the --format tiif flag
[22:37] <flintser> tremby why dont you want to use terminal
[22:37] <WBF> I'm having an issue too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1594755/
[22:37] <tremby> jrib: like i said, it is now displayed even though it is not installed on my laptop
[22:37] <jrib> tremby: but it was once installed
[22:37] <flintser> i can see acroread too
[22:37] <flintser> never used
[22:37] <WBF> and at the end it says invalid module format.
[22:37] <tremby> flintser: because i want my friend who is trying out ubuntu for the first time to never see the command line if at all possible, which it ought to be
[22:38] <flintser> he's going to see it eventually :)
[22:39] <chaos_plague> exit
[22:39] <tremby> jrib: ok, in synaptic it appears
[22:39] <tremby> then i closed software centre and opened it again and now it appears in software centre
[22:39] <tremby> maybe synaptic forced an update
[22:39] <tremby> apt-cache policy line is identical
[22:40] <jrib> tremby: weird
[22:40] <flintser> but you can install acroreader now?
[22:41] <tremby> it appears in the software center so i assume so. it's totally retarded that it wasn't showing up before. i think it must be a bug, it's not updating after sources are changed
[22:41] <tremby> another retarded thing is that if i search "adobe reader" it doesn't appear in the results, but i search "acroread" and it does, even though its title is "Adobe Reader"
[22:42] <zathras_laptop> apt-get is telling me The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[22:42] <flintser> you could've just download foxit reader, it has .deb installers downloadable
[22:42] <zathras_laptop>  libapache2-mod-wsgi : Depends: libpython2.7 (>= 2.7) but it is not going to be installed
[22:42] <zathras_laptop> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:43] <zathras_laptop> any ideas how i can fix that? i sort of need mod-wsgi
[22:43] <tremby> flintser: that's also something i don't want to put him through. i want him to be able to install the stuff he needs from software centre. that's its purpose after all
[22:43] <jrib> zathras_laptop: sudo apt-get update, then try again.  If it still fails, pastebin « apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-wsgi libpython2.7 »
[22:44] <jrib> tremby: you should probably file a bug at least about the search (if software center isn't searching titles)
[22:45] <tremby> yeah
[22:45] <flintser> mine finds adobe reader if i try it
[22:45] <zathras_laptop> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1594833/
[22:45] <tremby> flintser: yours is updated
[22:45] <tremby> so the issue, i think, is that after adding a new source it gave no option to update
[22:46] <jrib> zathras_laptop: we may have to do a lot of pastebinning... output of: sudo apt-get install libpython2.7
[22:46] <cschneid> Does anybody have a good guide on locking down a web server? Jails & configs & similar
[22:47] <flintser> if i add a repo through software center it shows up
[22:47] <zathras_laptop> jrib, now pastebin won't let me paste....
[22:47] <zathras_laptop> libpython2.7 : Depends: python2.7 (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.1) but 2.7.3-1+lucid1 is to be installed
[22:47] <zathras_laptop> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:47] <jrib> zathras_laptop: there are hundreds of pastebins
[22:47] <flintser> just tried that with vsftpd with writable chroot -repo
[22:47] <zathras_laptop> jrib, think those are the lines that matter?
[22:47] <jrib> zathras_laptop: yes, we are getting close.  What is the output of « apt-cache policy python2.7 »
[22:48] <setient> kunji: its booting
[22:48] <setient> i am going to install 12.10 i think
[22:48] <setient> its only got 320 megs of ram :(
[22:51] <zathras_laptop> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1594878/
[22:52] <jrib> zathras_laptop: the issue is you have this installed: 2.7.3-1+lucid1
[22:52] <jrib> zathras_laptop: it is not from the standard repositories it seems
[22:52] <zathras_laptop> jrib, hmm, ok, so can i remove it?
[22:53] <jrib> zathras_laptop: removing python would probably break a lot of things.  You can try to downgrade but make sure you have backups just in case
[22:53] <zathras_laptop> jrib, that's what i feared
[22:53] <zathras_laptop> how do i downgrade?
[22:56] <alcuadrado> If I create my own live-cd version of ubuntu, can I make it mount all partitions in the available disks automatically?
[22:58] <iceroot> alcuadrado: that should be the default
[22:58] <alcuadrado> great iceroot! thanks
[22:58] <iceroot> alcuadrado: ubuntu is mounting all partitions by default here on my system
[22:59] <kunji> setient: I was gone for dinner, SPARC, nice ^_^, and booting is good too.
[23:00] <setient> kunji: i am going to install it later.  i am at work
[23:01] <kunji> iceroot: Mine does not mount all partitions by default.
[23:01] <setient> i thin i want to setup a netboot server and od it that way
[23:01] <jrib> zathras_laptop: sudo apt-get install PACKAGE=VERSION
[23:01] <kunji> setient: mmk, well, I leave this running a lot even when I'm not here so you'll probably be able to find me again.
[23:01] <setient> hotness.
[23:02] <iceroot> kunji: from the same hdd?
[23:02] <iceroot> kunji: even nautilus is showing all of my partitons (ext4, ntfs, fat)
[23:03] <kunji> iceroot: nautilus shows all my partitions, but only / and /swap were mounted by default on my install, I added 3 others to fstab myself.
[23:04] <MacroMan_afn> Just installed Ubuntu 12.04 and switched to gnome, but I don't have any VPN options in the network manager applet or network settings. How can I set open a VPN connection?
[23:05] <MacroMan_afn> I have options for wired and wireless settings like normal, but nothing about VPN. I've googled, but can't find anything relavent.
[23:07] <Triups> ubuntu 12.10: One of my nics has a 50% chance of coming up as p33p2.  the other 50% of the time it comes up as rename3.  How do I stabilize this?
[23:09] <BluPhenix316> i have a problem but i'm not sure which channel i should ask, I have ubuntu 12.10 64bit installed and currently updated, i did a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it gets to update-initramfs and just hangs there
[23:09] <BluPhenix316> is this a #ubuntu problem or a #kubuntu problem?
[23:09] <iceroot> Triups: hm, it should always have the same name  the name is defined in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules  and related to the mac address
[23:09] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: ubuntu
[23:09] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: but building a new initramfs takes some time
[23:10] <backbox> Trying out a new distro (Backbox) and I can't load jockey (either -gtk or -text). Getting this error: ImportError: No module named xml.parsers.expat
[23:10] <kunji> MacroMan_afn: Umm, the ones for OpenVPN you mean right?  I don't use gnome, so I couldn't really say, maybe try their channel, or #openvpn Also I think there's a way to do it on the command line without bothering with plugins.
[23:10] <backbox> Also, jockey is a terrible name for a program when it won't start. Makes searching through google full of horses :/
[23:10] <flintser> iceroot: mounting isnt the same as them showing up in nautilus
[23:10] <flintser> they mount when you click them
[23:10] <Doomhammer> hi, i'm trying to connect to my network with the ubuntu livecd and it won't do it - ive tried the same cable & port with another machine, and i get a dhcp lease just fine, but not on this one - i have a realtek rtl8111/8168b
[23:10] <flintser> rtl8111/8168b
[23:10] <flintser> sorry :)
[23:10] <Doomhammer> flintser: ?
[23:10] <WBF> Doomhammer: I have the same issue as you on my ARM pc. I tried and tried to get the RTL8xxx driver to work but nothing.
[23:10] <flintser> Doomhammer: i used click copying accidentally
[23:10] <Doomhammer> oh heh
[23:10] <agsel> how to change keyboard shortcuts?
[23:10] <Triups> iceroot, thats the weird thing...I reboot and you flip the coin.  When it loads up as rename3 it has to do the 60second timeout during booting
[23:10] <WBF> Doomhammer: mine is a 8192CU driver
[23:11] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: i understand that but 30 minutes to a hour is a long time, i am running a i7, quadcore with hyperthreading and 8gigs of ram, and its never taken longer than a minute
[23:11] <BluPhenix316> i tried update-initramfs -u -v and it gets to this line: Adding module /lib/modules/3.5.0-23-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_kms_helper.ko
[23:11] <BluPhenix316>  and just stalls there
[23:11] <flintser> Doomhammer: does it even recognize your card?
[23:11] <Triups> iceroot, the p33p* and rename* do not show up there
[23:12] <Triups> iceroot, Ill try manually entering them
[23:13] <iceroot> Triups: there should be something like SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="24:b6:fd:fc:97:5f", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
[23:13] <Triups> iceroot, there is a bunch of them to match the nics.  but the nics p33p1, p33p2 do not show up there
[23:13] <iceroot> Triups: what should that be? vmware? xen?
[23:14] <iceroot> Triups: are you using something like that?
[23:14] <Doomhammer> flintser: yeah, it shows up in ifconfig, and networkmanager tries to get a dhcp lease
[23:14] <Triups> nope...I read thats how linux now names nics.  based on pci slot and port
[23:14] <Doomhammer> it "appears" to work, except i never get an ip address
[23:14] <Triups> iceroot, supposedly p33p1 means pci 33 port 1
[23:15] <iceroot> Triups: ah ok
[23:15] <flintser> Doomhammer: can you use static ip?
[23:15] <Doomhammer> flintser: i tried that, still doesn't work
[23:16] <Triups> iceroot, the problem comes that it doesn't always rename the nic properly to p33p2
[23:16] <Triups> iceroot, the file you mentioned does not mention anythign about these nics and sounds like it is auto-generated...has me a bit worried on how to rename the KERNEL parameter specifically
[23:17] <flintser> Doomhammer: so you can't get any connection? do you use a router or what?
[23:17] <iceroot> Triups: i would just create a new line and replace the mac address and a name you want for it
[23:17] <Doomhammer> flintser: uh, i'm at an office, i really don't know what they have going on
[23:18] <Doomhammer> flintser: i verified that plugging a different pc in with the same port/cable gets a dhcp lease just fine, though
[23:18] <Triups> iceroot, but the kernel parameter...what do I set that to?  the examples show "eth*" but I don't think this nic ever starts out as eth*
[23:19] <flintser> Doomhammer: problem might exist on the other end
[23:19] <iceroot> Triups: you can even put "foobar" in it
[23:19] <iceroot> Triups: its just a string
[23:19] <iceroot> Triups: which is related to the mac address
[23:19] <iceroot> Triups: imo
[23:19] <iceroot> Triups: so eth1 for example would be fine
[23:20] <flintser> check your gateway on the other computer and try ro ping that?
[23:20] <flintser> i mean check the gw and then plug ubuntu back in and try pinging
[23:22] <Triups> iceroot, I was thinking that string meant what the kernel was calling it and name is what you set it to....Ill try it out
[23:22] <Doomhammer> flintser: check the gateway in what way? other machines have an internet connection so the gateway is working apparently
[23:22] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: i found out what is causing update-initramfs to hang, but not sure how to fix it
[23:23] <iceroot> Triups: that string is telling the kernel how to name it
[23:23] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: update-initramfs hangs when doing modprobe --set-version=3.5.0-23-generic --ignore-install --quiet --show-depends i915
[23:23] <iceroot> Triups: so the name "eth0" comes from that file and the kernel is using that name then
[23:23] <iceroot> Triups: the kernel does not use eth0 before
[23:23] <iceroot> Triups: the kernel is asking udev what name should be used, so udev is generating that wil
[23:23] <iceroot> Triups: and you can call it "myfunnynic0" for example
[23:24] <flintser> Doomhammer: gateway ip address. if theyre windows 7 go to network and sharing center -> change adapter settings -> right click your connection -> status -> details
[23:24] <flintser> i mean the working computers
[23:24] <Doomhammer> flintser: my gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>, and setting that statically doesn't seem to help anything
[23:25] <iceroot> !info linux-image-generic
[23:25] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: there is no kernek 3.5.0-23 in the ubuntu repos
[23:25] <iceroot> kernel
[23:25] <lucis> hey all, simple question. does anybody has a good analyze script for the auth.log file? . i would like to draw every host connection (failed or not) with the ip, and then run a whois on it.
[23:25] <lucis> have*
[23:25] <Triups> iceroot, I think udev might be th eone responsible for calling my nic p33p2 and rename3.  so i wonder if setting eth* will work at all...but a reboot will tell me
[23:25] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: really? i just got it today
[23:25] <flintser> if you can ping <IP_ADDRESS> on your ubuntu machine it means the problem is most likely at the other end
[23:26] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: i always do a sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it was in the repos i have
[23:26] <BluPhenix316> hmmm
[23:26] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: what is the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-generic"
[23:26] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: upgrade is never installing a new kernel
[23:26] <flintser> you can try dhcpd -k at ubuntu terminal and see what it says
[23:26] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: just dist-upgrade is installing new kernels
[23:26] <BluPhenix316> linux-image-generic:
[23:26] <BluPhenix316>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.29
[23:26] <BluPhenix316>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.29
[23:26] <BluPhenix316>   Version table:
[23:26] <BluPhenix316>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>.29 0
[23:26] <FloodBot1> BluPhenix316: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:27] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: the lines after are interesting, please use pastebin
[23:28] <BluPhenix316> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1595129/
[23:28] <flintser> Doomhammer: or just dhcpd
[23:28] <Doomhammer> flintser: i don't have dhcpd - you mean dhclient?
[23:29] <IOmegaZ> when i try to to install ubuntu with ubuntu installer i get an error occurred list index out of range
[23:29] <flintser> oh sorry
[23:29] <flintser> Doomhammer: that
[23:30] <joey___> Does anybody know how to get GLSL 1.5 or higher working on Intel HD4000 on Ubuntu?
[23:30] <flintser> i must go now, bus comes and cant miss that :) sorry
[23:31] <BluPhenix316> do I have a bad kernel or something installed?
[23:31] <BluPhenix316> I was trying to keep up with all of this, but now this is going beyond my knowledge hehe
[23:31] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: no, everything fine, ubottu is just showing a wrong text
[23:32] <BluPhenix316> well i still can't figure out my update-initramfs problem
[23:32] <BluPhenix316> maybe i should reboot and then try again?
[23:32] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: dont reboot
[23:32] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: the newest kernel will probably not boot
[23:33] <BluPhenix316> if i do a sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop and then apt-get autoremove will it remove the newly installed packages and return to where i was before?
[23:33] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: no
[23:33] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: but the kubuntu-desktop package is not the reason for the kernel-update
[23:33] <BluPhenix316> yeah but i've rebooted since the kernel update
[23:34] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: i would cancel the upgrade and run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" after that i would have a look if "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc" is holding any packagenames, if not i would reboot
[23:34] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: and when the reboot fails select an older kernel from the grub-menu and not the 3.5.0-23
[23:34] <BluPhenix316> and everything was working fine, that kernel update was earlier today
[23:38] <WBF> can someone help me? my 8192CU drivers aren't working.
[23:38] <WBF> can someone help me? *raises red flag*
[23:39] <BluPhenix316> dpkg --configure -a just tries to run update-initramfs again, and the output of the other command is initramfs-tools
[23:39] <BluPhenix316> it keeps hanging on: 21159 pts/0    S+     0:00 modprobe --set-version=3.5.0-23-generic --ignore-install --quiet --show-depends i915
[23:39] <BluPhenix316> but i've put i915 in the modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:39] <BluPhenix316> i don't have intel gfx card
[23:39] <BluPhenix316> i have a nvidia 660 GTX
[23:39] <dorohoro> hi there
[23:39] <WBF> hello dorohoro
[23:40] <stefanct> hi, anyone familiar with umountfs and fstab-decode around? i am hunting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/1103416
[23:40] <IOmegaZ> when i try to to install ubuntu with ubuntu installer i get an error occurred list index out of range
[23:43] <dorohoro> can i make mu Music folder(from home folder) to be simblic link to some other folder?
[23:44] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: adding i915 to blacklist.conf fixed it, and update-initramfs completed in just seconds
[23:44] <BluPhenix316> i'm in kde now
[23:44] <kunji> MacroMan_afn: This might be useful: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1199439
[23:44] <BluPhenix316> for some reason the i915 modules doesn't agree with my system
[23:45] <kunji> dorohoro: I don't see why not
[23:45] <PingIT> is there some way to turn of b-w-utmp files in ubuntu?
[23:45] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: hm strange i am using that module without problem here on 12.04
[23:45] <dorohoro> so how
[23:45] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: but good to hear you could fix it
[23:45] <dorohoro> without deleting
[23:45] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: i'm using 12.10
[23:45] <iceroot> BluPhenix316: ah ok
[23:45] <dorohoro> existing
[23:45] <mojtaba> Hi, I have ubuntu 12.10 and would like to install Nadia Cinnamon on it. Does anybody know what should I do? Is it possible?
[23:46] <k1l_> !mint | mojtaba
[23:47] <k1l_> mojtaba: that belongs to their support. so please ask the mint guys.
[23:50] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: i'm debating on going back to 12.04 though
[23:50] <BluPhenix316> iceroot: only reason i went with 12.10 is because this is a uefi system, and 12.10's installer had fixed a lot of issues 12.04 had with uefi
[23:50] <kunji> dorohoro: what is existing that you don't want to delete?
[23:50] <WBF> can someone help me? my 8192CU drivers aren't working. MORE DETAIL: It's a netgear that isn't working in ubuntu even with modprobe because modprobe comes up with an error on my custom linux box.
[23:50] <kunji> WBF: Custom linux box?  This is the Ubuntu support channel.
[23:50] <WBF> kunji:  it is running ubuntu
[23:50] <WBF> kunji: it is called custom because it's running on ARMHF
[23:50] <kunji> WBF: Ah, ok, sounded like you were doing linux from scratch or something
[23:51] <dorohoro> original folder Music from home folder
[23:51] <dorohoro> so icons stay same
[23:51] <dorohoro> etc
[23:52] <WBF> mojtaba: say sudo apt-get install cinnamon or sudo apt-get install  lxde for a lightweight desktop like mint :D
[23:52] <dorohoro> just to make him poin on some other folder
[23:52] <mojtaba> WBF: Thanks
[23:53] <kunji> dorohoro: oh, hmm I think the only difference between Music and other folders is the icon, I'm not sure how that icon is assigned.
[23:54] <dorohoro> can i somehow mount folder on folder or something like that
[23:54] <dorohoro> i did this once in windows wista when i had it
[23:55] <mojtaba> Why ubuntu is better than mint?
[23:57] <WBF> mojtaba: their kind of equal; as in they have most of the same packages. it's your choice but I am trying to guide you.
[23:57] <kunji> dorohoro: I think the icon might not be a property of the folder, that is, I think it is handled purely in the outside apps, like nautilus, so I think just deleting Music and creating a symlink should do what you want, but there is a small chance it won't.  Maybe just move Music, (mv Music MusicBackup) and then create the symlink, so you can delete the symlink and put back music if it doesn't work the way you hoped.
[23:58] <phoenixsampras> hellow!
[23:58] <dorohoro> ok th
[23:58] <dorohoro> i will try something
[23:59] <kunji> dorohoro: Or actually I can try it out, I'm not picky about the icon so it's fine if it breaks it for me and I can let you know


[15:57] <AndrewMcC> Here's an odd one. Upgraded a PC to 14.04, and now the space-bar doesn't work normally in the GUI. Works fine in the console, and shift-space is a workaround.
[15:59] <zmoylan-len> try a different keyboard, uk v ireland?
[15:59] <zmoylan-len> keyboard layout i mean
[16:00] <AndrewMcC> zmoylan-len: Yep, tried that, no joy.
[16:01] <AndrewMcC> When I press space the cursor flashes, but it just seems to ignore it.
[16:02] <zmoylan-len> is it a laptop with wacky function keys?
[16:03] <AndrewMcC> No, a wireless keyboard. With wacky function keys. :)
[16:03] <AndrewMcC> There's just a little USB dongle plugged into the front of the PC.
[16:04] <zmoylan-len> i did have one system where the os did the fn-function key by default instead of the function key when i pressed it.  had to turn it off.  just in case the spacebar is now not for typing but a page down replacement
[16:04] <AndrewMcC> Hmm. There's a little X-windows utility for showing what key it thinks is being pressed. Can't remember what it's called, but will try to find it and see what it is.
[16:05] <ebel> that is weird
[16:05] <zmoylan-len> since touch screens came along keyboards have been relegated to obsolete technology