[01:32] <WalterWhitesCook> getting a gnome-control-center crash and it saws it might be a obsolete package version. Is apt autoremove sufficient to resolve it?
[01:35] <ses1984> i just had a system totally lock up, not saved by alt-sysreq REISUB
[01:36] <ses1984> i wanted to see if alt-sysreq REISUB actually worked, so the first thing i did after rebooting was to ctrl-alt-f1 and try to do it, and it says REI are not supported but it did happily reboot on SUB
[01:36] <ses1984> anyway, is there anything specific i should check for evidence on why it locked up in the first place?
[02:07] <SparkyFlary> does anyone know what is the newest 32 bit ubuntu linux that has a partitioner that comes with the image disc?
[02:19] <xbfrog> well, i wanted to install a simple drawing app. i chose pinta from the software repository in ubuntu. trying to install i got sorry, something went wrong: error opening directory "/usr/share/appdata": no such file or directory . can this be fixed?
[02:21] <digup> did you try to install through synaptic or terminal?
[02:21] <digup> paste the output.
[02:23] <xbfrog> thru software gui
[02:23] <xbfrog> ubuntu software icon
[02:24] <xbfrog> i'm not sure where to get the output
[02:24] <xbfrog> where?
[02:24] <digup> update the repo first before installing any software
[02:24] <xbfrog> ok
[02:25] <xbfrog> it says their are no updates
[02:25] <xbfrog> software is up to date
[02:26] <digup> now fire up the terminal
[02:26] <xbfrog> ok
[02:26] <digup> paste the commands..
[02:26] <digup> $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pinta-maintainers/pinta-stable
[02:26] <digup> $ sudo apt update
[02:27] <digup> $ sudo apt install pinta
[02:27] <digup> done.
[02:28] <xbfrog> It is strongly recommended to also ensure that Mono 6.10 or higher is installed on your system (run `mono --version` to check), as earlier 6.x versions can produce random crashes.
[02:29] <digup> update the mono font then
[02:29] <xbfrog> ok
[02:30] <xbfrog> from terminal or do i need to go to https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
[02:31] <digup> first check whether mono is already installed.. if it is installed remove the older version if it's less than 6.x and install the new ones
[02:33] <digup> let me know what happends
[02:33] <digup> happens*
[02:33] <xbfrog> ^mono --version
[02:33] <brenster21> Hello I am currently issues with an external drive where it gets mounted then 10 to 15 minutes later it starts giving me and input/output error. I tried using ntfsck ntfsfix to fix the drive but i am having 0 luck. it is an ntfs formated usb external
[02:33] <xbfrog> Command 'mono' not found, but can be installed with:
[02:33] <xbfrog>
[02:33] <xbfrog> sudo apt install mono-runtime
[02:36] <digup> use the method from the link you sent me
[02:36] <xbfrog> ok
[02:36] <digup> what version are you using? 20.01 lts?
[02:36] <xbfrog> .o4 lts
[02:36] <digup> k
[02:40] <xbfrog> connecting to ppa launchpad.net
[02:40] <xbfrog> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/thomas.tsai/ubuntu-tuxboot/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[02:41] <xbfrog> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default
[02:41] <xbfrog> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details
[02:42] <digup> your ubuntu-tuxboot source is causing the problem.. do you remember why you added that?
[02:42] <xbfrog> nope dont remember adding it
[02:43] <digup> did you try to clone/backup your system using clonezilla?
[02:43] <digup> for now.. rather than deleting it.. let's disable it..
[02:43] <digup> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:44] <digup> and comment out the line that starts with http://ppa.launchpad.net/thomas..
[02:44] <xbfrog> ok looking
[02:47] <xbfrog> there is no line that starts with http://ppa.launchpad.net
[02:47] <xbfrog> went down the list an back up
[02:47] <digup> check if that sort of file exist under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[02:48] <digup> if it does just delete it haha after making the backup under your home folder
[02:48] <xbfrog> do i check it in nano or close this and check it in terminal?
[02:49] <qualitycoder> I am having an issue booting into my Ubuntu machine. It used to boot up just fine, but when I went to restart it today, it won't complete boot up. It gets to the motherboard logo, then the motherboard logo goes away, and then the black screen turns to a light grey screen, and stops there. I booted into a live cd and chrooted an uninstalled the last
[02:49] <qualitycoder> installed program (virt-manager). I tried rebooting, same thing. I booted back into the live cd and tried reinstalling grub, using several different methods, the last method was the boot-repair gui tool. Any help would be awesome.
[02:50] <digup> just do $ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[02:50] <digup> there should be couple of files.. if one exist with "thomas" just delete it
[02:50] <digup> you know what to do.. after that update through terminal
[02:51] <xbfrog> two lines with thomas
[02:52] <xbfrog> how do i delet them?
[02:52] <digup> qualitycoder: are you using UEFI? did you install it under /boot/efi? did you generate grub.cfg after the installation of grub?
[02:53] <digup> xbfrog: sudo rm -r /etc/apt/sources/<the file name. be vert careful not to delete anything>
[02:53] <digup> xbfrog: sudo rm -r /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<the file name. be vert careful not to delete anything>
[02:53] <digup> sorry don't read the first line
[02:53] <xbfrog> ok
[02:55] <xbfrog> ok done
[02:55] <digup> now run the update & upgrade
[02:55] <qualitycoder> digup: I believe my BIOS uses UEFI, but not really sure. I generated grub.cfg on at least one of the methods (running update-grub). If the graphical tool (boot-repair) does it, than at least 2 of the methods. I do have a link for the pastebin from the graphical tool output, if that would help
[02:56] <digup> please link the output
[02:56] <qualitycoder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p8hsWDmnNQ/
[02:57] <xbfrog> so, sudo apt update first?
[02:59] <xbfrog> 'https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-focal InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[02:59] <digup> xbfrog: yes..
[02:59] <digup> xbfrog: holy-shit. are you under 32bit arch?
[02:59] <xbfrog> no 64bit
[03:01] <digup> paste the output of 'lshw'
[03:01] <xbfrog> ok
[03:01] <digup> run lshw in your terminal and paste the output
[03:01] <digup> use pastebin for that
[03:02] <xbfrog> ok
[03:02] <xbfrog> WARNING: output may be incomplete or inaccurate, you should run this program as super-user
[03:03] <xbfrog> necessary or no?
[03:03] <digup> qualitycoder: hi.. it seems like you didn't install the bootloader in a seperate /boot/efi with EFI partition. Atleast that's what the error is saying.. it's not being able to detect ESP File System
[03:03] <digup> xbfrog. doesn't matter just run as root just to be sure
[03:03] <xbfrog> ok
[03:05] <qualitycoder> I don't recall ever having an EFI partition. Not sure what it setup originally when I installed it awhile back.
[03:05] <digup> qualitycoder: You were suppose to create 500MB of seperate 'EFI Partition' and install the grub.
[03:06] <digup> $ grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
[03:06] <andypoenas> hola senor and senorita. anyone who need Tor bridge for personal use? free stuffs. tor bridge is good mix with GNUnet. Private message me if interest.
[03:06] <digup> before that step you need to mount /dev/sdX /boot/efi
[03:07] <qualitycoder> I've been running this machine for awhile. It might have done that itself originally, but I didn't
[03:07] <Kon> qualitycoder: Open up gparted and look at your partition scheme. See if you have one or not.
[03:07] <digup> and final step would be grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[03:07] <Kon> Also check to see if you have a /boot/efi folder at all
[03:07] <Kon> It's possible that you have a Legacy BIOS install, even if your computer is UEFI
[03:08] <Kon> Also double check if you have grub-pc installed or grub-efi-amd64
[03:09] <Kon> grub-pc being for legacy installs
[03:09] <qualitycoder> from what I see from the Live CD there doesn't seem to be anything inside of the boot dir
[03:09] <xbfrog> https://pastebin.pl/view/aa69b4cb
[03:10] <digup> if you're in a live environment.. just enter the chroot-environent once your mount
[03:10] <digup> the mount point is /mnt
[03:12] <gnUser> Does ubuntu indeed use initrd and not initramds during boot?
[03:12] <gnUser> initramfs *
[03:12] <qualitycoder> ok, what all should I mount besides sdb5
[03:13] <digup> xbfrog: can you type in 'unanme -m' in your terminal?
[03:13] <xbfrog> yes
[03:14] <digup> qualitycoder: just your root dir would do. what's the output of 'lsblk -f'
[03:15] <digup> xbfrog: output?
[03:16] <xbfrog> unanme -m?
[03:17] <digup> yes
[03:17] <qualitycoder> https://pastebin.com/ZJyMveKL
[03:17] <xbfrog> Command 'urname' not found
[03:17] <tieinv> uname -m
[03:18] <xbfrog> cut and paste
[03:18] <xbfrog> that was it, syntax
[03:18] <xbfrog> x86_64
[03:24] <digup> xbfrog: $ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[03:24] <digup> $ sudo apt update
[03:24] <digup> should now fix your issue
[03:25] <xbfrog> ok, good
[03:26] <xbfrog> so now re run the install of pinta?
[03:26] <digup> qualitycoder: there's so many drives, I'm confused. just analyze where your root mount point would be and then mount /dev/sdX /mnt
[03:26] <digup> xbfrog: yes. but did the update work?
[03:26] <digup> no errors?
[03:26] <xbfrog> oh lemme post
[03:27] <qualitycoder> digup the mount point is on sdb5
[03:27] <digup> $ mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt
[03:27] <xbfrog> 24 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[03:27] <digup> $ chroot /mnt -s /bin/bash
[03:27] <xbfrog> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-focal InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[03:29] <digup> qualitycoder: after you are chrooted.. create a folder /boot/efi then mount where you want your /boot/efi to be mounted. eg: /dev/sdX
[03:29] <qualitycoder> digup it says chroot: failed to run command '-s': No such file or directory
[03:30] <digup> xbfrog: I believe the mono pkg is 32bit.. just remove it from source file or delete it from your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[03:30] <digup> qualitycoder: chroot /mnt
[03:31] <qualitycoder> ah, bash is at /usr/bin/bah, should I -s that instead?
[03:31] <digup> try :D
[03:32] <qualitycoder> ok, "sudo chroot /mnt" without the -s worked
[03:32] <digup> follow the steps
[03:33] <digup> check if /boot/efi exists. if not create one
[03:33] <qualitycoder> just created one
[03:34] <digup> analyze where /boot would have been mounted before. it would should be just 500MB in size
[03:35] <qualitycoder> sdb1 is 649.5M, that's the only one around that size
[03:35] <digup> yeah that should be it..
[03:35] <digup> mount /dev/sdb1 /boot/efi
[03:36] <qualitycoder> exit chroot first, so I can access /dev/sdb1?
[03:38] <digup> however.. the /dev/sdb1 should be mounted to /boot/efi
[03:38] <digup> if you exit.. the /boot/efi should be then /mnt/boot/efi
[03:38] <digup> but, double check
[03:39] <qualitycoder> ok, efi now has stuff in it
[03:40] <digup> remember if you exit chroot.. /boot/efi(your live cd boot) /mnt/boot/efi(your newly created stuff)
[03:41] <qualitycoder> right, I mounted /dev/sbd1 to /mnt/boot/efi
[03:41] <digup> https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition
[03:41] <digup> here's a solution to your problem..
[03:42] <digup> let us know the good news when you're done
[03:43] <xbfrog> i'm not sure where to to or what command to use. would you be kind enough to guide me?
[03:43] <digup> xbfrog: ?
[03:43] <xbfrog> lyes?
[03:44] <digup> xbfrog: we need information. what's happening?
[03:44] <xbfrog> you said mono seems to be 32 bit just remove the file from ....
[03:45] <xbfrog> right now i'm root@xBfrog:/etc/apt/sources.list.d#
[03:45] <qualitycoder> https://pastbin.com/TGcTpqfy
[03:48] <digup> qualitycoder: what is the file system of /dev/sdb1
[03:49] <digup> qualitycoder: just paste the output here.. $ lsblk -f /dev/sdb1
[03:49] <digup> xbfrog: sorry.. just remove mono source file
[03:50] <qualitycoder> FSTYPE is ext4
[03:50] <xbfrog> ok how?
[03:50] <qualitycoder> I would copy paste, but IRC is on my laptop, having issues with Ubuntu on my desktop.
[03:51] <gnUser> Why is only initrd present inside /boot and not initramfs on Ubuntu 20.04?
[03:53] <digup> qualitycoder: format your /dev/sdb1 from ext4 to vfat
[03:53] <digup> qualitycoder: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1
[03:54] <digup> after that follow the forum link I sent you
[03:55] <digup> xbfrog: like you deleted thomas.tsai file
[03:55] <digup> xbfrog: find one with mono
[03:55] <qualitycoder> do I run that mkfs command from outside the chroot? From inside I got a message that it contains a mounted filesystem
[03:56] <xbfrog> mono-official-stable.list is the only one
[03:56] <digup> xbfrog: delete it.. it's a 32 bit pkg and doesn't work with your arch
[03:56] <xbfrog> ok
[03:57] <digup> qualitycoder: if you're in live env. it's safe to unmount
[03:58] <himcesjf> Hi, how can I disable use of ethernet port when I use WiFi all the time? I see that on powertop, ethernet network interface is reporting high power consumption - https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yL5q85fm/Screenshot_20200917_092524.png
[03:59] <xbfrog> rm: cannot remove '/etc/apt/sources/mono-offical-stable.list': No such file or directory
[03:59] <xbfrog> but i see it
[03:59] <xbfrog> not the right command?
[03:59] <digup> qualitycoder: to know where /dev/sdb1 is mounted.. just run '$ findmnt /dev/sdb1'
[04:00] <digup> xbfrog: see what's the name of the file.. just type in first three words and hit TAB it should autocomplete
[04:00] <qualitycoder> it's mounted on /media/ubuntu-budgie/[some uuid]
[04:01] <xbfrog> ok
[04:03] <qualitycoder> it was mounted to /boot/efi but after unmounting it, it moved to there, but even after that, I still get the same "mounted filesystem" message
[04:04] <xbfrog> sudo rm -r /etc/apt/sources/mono at this point tab does nothing
[04:05] <digup> xbfrog: isn't it suppose to be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono..
[04:05] <xbfrog> ah i think i got it
[04:06] <xbfrog> yep goti t
[04:06] <xbfrog> took me a min to think what next :)
[04:07] <digup> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/08/pinta-1-7-released-install-ubuntu-20-04/
[04:07] <xbfrog> ok...NOW run pinta? :)
[04:10] <digup> can you now run pinta?
[04:10] <xbfrog> will try now
[04:10] <Hallcyon> Does ubuntu load into ram when running from a live usb?
[04:12] <digup> Hallcyon: no, unless you have a parameter setup in the grub script
[04:12] <Hallcyon> toram ?
[04:13] <digup> yes
[04:13] <digup> I think so
[04:13] <Hallcyon> cool, I will be using usb 1.1 so II think that would be a good idea
[04:14] <xbfrog> yeah, pinta opened
[04:14] <digup> good.
[04:14] <digup> does the font look alright?
[04:14] <xbfrog> took it a minute
[04:14] <xbfrog> yes
[04:14] <digup> well then have fun
[04:15] <xbfrog> thank you :)
[04:16] <digup> hi qualitycoder, is everything alright?
[04:16] <qualitycoder> no, I'm still getting that mounted filesystem message even after running umount on it
[04:17] <digup> $ sudo umount /(wherever it's mounted)
[04:18] <qualitycoder> I just said, I already ran umount on it, and I'm still getting the mounted filesystem message when trying to run mkfs
[04:20] <digup> without unmounting you can't change the fs
[04:21] <qualitycoder> when I run findmnt, it now points to /media/ubuntu-budgie/[some uuid]
[04:23] <digup> cause now it's mounted to your live cd
[04:25] <qualitycoder> ok, I think the mkfs worked. lsblk seems to be showing it as vfat
[04:25] <digup> good
[04:25] <digup> now follow the forum guide I sent you
[04:26] <digup> don't just copy and paste before you mess up.. know what you're doing as you type the commands
[04:28] <qualitycoder> same exact output as last time
[04:37] <qualitycoder> I'm getting the same output as last time, but I'm going to reboot the desktop and see if anything has changed
[04:39] <qualitycoder> ok, I am still getting a light grey screen, but it is showing an error now "error: can't find command 'fwsetup'
[04:59] <brendantcc> ik this is a bit off topic but I was about to ask if the 18.04-mini installer had an install location selector and then it popped up on my HP elitebook 2560p that I happen to be installing it on from netboot
[05:12] <uJanMi> Hi, I'm trying to set a background image for grub. I've both used grub-customizer and also tried manually edit /etc/defaults/grub and then "update-grub" and also I've tried once to do "grub-mkconfig" ... but all these cases grub didn't dispaly image it seems it fail finding the image to display it (most probably). The image is in /usr/share/images/grub/sth.tga
[05:17] <digup> output of your grub.cfg?
[05:18] <digup> 1) JPG/JPEG images must be 8-bit (256 color)
[05:18] <digup> 2) Images should be non-indexed, RGB
[05:24] <qualitycoder> digup thanks for your help earlier. I'm getting ready to give up and just reformat everything. I think I'm in an even worse place now than I was before, and it's getting really frustrating.
[05:26] <qualitycoder> digup I hope that doesn't sound bad. I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm legitimately thanking you for your help. ( I read it after I hit enter, and it looks like I'm blaming you for it, so I thought I would send this second message, lol)
[05:32] <chaitanya122> hello all. while I am trying to install opencv by using "pip install flask opencv-python" it is showing the following error
[05:32] <chaitanya122> ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1:   command: /usr/bin/python /home/chaitanya/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/_in_process.py get_requires_for_build_wheel /tmp/tmpP3xFRo       cwd: /tmp/pip-install-3Tl9ZG/opencv-python  Complete output (22 lines):  Traceback (most recent call last):    File
[05:32] <chaitanya122> "/home/chaitanya/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/_in_process.py", line 280, in <module>      main()    File "/home/chaitanya/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/_in_process.py", line 263, in main      json_out['return_val'] = hook(**hook_input['kwargs'])    File
[05:32] <chaitanya122> "/home/chaitanya/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/_in_process.py", line 114, in get_requires_for_build_wheel      return hook(config_settings)    File "/tmp/pip-build-env-jlGecj/overlay/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 146, in get_requires_for_build_wheel      return
[05:32] <chaitanya122> self._get_build_requires(config_settings, requirements=['wheel'])    File "/tmp/pip-build-env-jlGecj/overlay/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 127, in _get_build_requires      self.run_setup()    File "/tmp/pip-build-env-jlGecj/overlay/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 243, in run_setup
[05:32] <chaitanya122> self).run_setup(setup_script=setup_script)    File "/tmp/pip-build-env-jlGecj/overlay/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 142, in run_setup      exec(compile(code, __file__, 'exec'), locals())    File "setup.py", line 448, in <module>      main()    File "setup.py", line 99, in main      % {"ext":
[05:32] <chaitanya122> re.escape(sysconfig.get_config_var("EXT_SUFFIX"))}    File "/usr/lib/python2.7/re.py", line 210, in escape      s = list(pattern)  TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable  ----------------------------------------ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: /usr/bin/python
[05:33] <chaitanya122> /home/chaitanya/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/_in_process.py get_requires_for_build_wheel /tmp/tmpP3xFRo Check the logs for full command output.
[05:34] <Maik> chaitanya122: please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ for large outputs
[05:43] <Maik> chaitanya122: please don't PM, everything can be said here when it comes to support. :)
[05:46] <digup> hey qualityocder sorry but, my suggestion is to backup your files before re-installing
[05:47] <digup> also to use a better guide to Install
[05:47] <digup> the ubuntu has official wiki of Installation in x64 arch
[06:11] <uJanMi> !paste
[06:14] <uJanMi> Hi, I'm trying to set a background image for grub. I've both used grub-customizer and also tried manually edit /etc/defaults/grub and then "update-grub" and also I've tried once to do "grub-mkconfig" ... but all these cases grub didn't dispaly image it seems it fail finding the image to display it (most probably). The image is in /usr/share/images/grub/sth.tga
[06:14] <uJanMi> Here is my grub.cfg:
[06:14] <uJanMi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dxJ6Rvs6KK/
[06:15] <uJanMi> For the image, I use the images from grub2-splashimages which are tga format and as far as I know properly defined
[06:43] <imapi> hi guys, could somebody point me to article how can I create my personal offline ubuntu mirror.
[06:44] <imapi> tried apt-mirror - broken
[06:44] <imapi> mirrorbuild also doesn't work
[06:59] <neure> hi
[06:59] <neure> i guess nobody reads the login messages on ubuntu
[07:00] <neure> "This message is shown once once a day."
[07:00] <neure> is that once.. or twice?-)
[07:12] <ikonia> what ?
[08:27] <Fudgie> Anyone have an issue where upon restarting Ubuntu their sound devices reset? Every reboot I have to change my default sound device from my headset to my speakers. I don't see any reason for it happening, they're USB headphones. What can I do about that?
[08:35] <Laughing_GoD> hi
[08:39] <Hash> https://curiousviral.com/install-microsoft-net-framework-4-7/
[08:39] <Hash> I am trying to follow this
[08:39] <Hash> Install Microsoft .Net Framework 4.7 In Ubuntu 18.04/18.10
[08:39] <Hash> I am on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[08:40] <Hash> I have tried many different versions of .NET framework 4.x but I can't seem to get any of them insalled in Ubuntuy
[08:40] <Hash> I've got wine, full mono-develop packages, etc.
[09:38] <Urbelis> 111
[09:42] <chaitanya122> hi. I'm getting this error in visual studio code. Please help me to fix it https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RMTHN7BpGs/plain/
[11:12] <bdiddy> link is asking me to create an acct
[11:12] <bdiddy> oh he left
[11:13] <bdiddy> ubuntu one
[11:13] <bdiddy> wtf is this
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:21] <andypoenas> hola senor and senorita. anyone who need Tor bridge for personal use? free stuffs. tor bridge is good mix with GNUnet. Private message me if interest. free stuffs.
[14:21] <Hejkki> lol
[14:29] <rapidwave> Just installed MySQL Server 8.0, but service isn't installed...cannot start server
[14:36] <rapidwave> How come the service wasn't created on installation?
[14:37] <Hejkki> :o
[14:43] <rangergord> what's the best remote tool for this scenario: a target computer controlled by a user sitting in front of it. I want multiple other people to be able to connect and see what's going on on that screen with as little pain as possible, however I don't want them to be able to control the input, or be able to crash the remote system. Just a low-priority read-only slave. I also dont want incoming connections to cause popups that
[14:43] <rangergord> would visually annoy the primary user, they're only watchers, not participants.
[14:44] <Hejkki> team viewer?
[14:44] <Hejkki> ahm, it shows a message when connected
[14:44] <rangergord> Teamviewer routes through the internet, my experience with it was poor. Also by default it transfers audio unless the person CONNECTING chooses not to.
[14:44] <Hejkki> i think..?
[14:45] <Hejkki> ok
[14:45] <rangergord> this would all be on a LAN
[14:45] <Hejkki> what was the thigie i tried a while ago... i forgot the name
[14:46] <rangergord> also having multiple people connected to one system will surely trip their "suspected commercial usage" . I got it as a home user with just me connecting to my PC.
[14:46] <rangergord> there's a bunch, I figured I'd ask for recomemndations here instead of trying them one by one and having to figure out the capabilities of each
[14:48] <jpds> rangergord: For something as specialized as this - you're going to have to do some research and see what works best for you
[14:49] <rangergord> allright, guess there goes my day
[14:49] <rangergord> thanks
[14:57] <jpds> rangergord: You might even want to see if leveraging some video conferencing software with screensharing like Jitsi works
[14:58] <jpds> That's fully open-source + the screen sharing works on Linux desktops
[15:25] <dTal> I'm trying to work with ANSYS and all of its scripts 1) start with #!/bin/sh and 2) are full of bash-isms
[15:25] <rapidwave> How do I remove bad service from systemctl?
[15:26] <dTal> any ideas how I can make /bin/sh point to /bin/bash just for ANSYS without broking the rest of the system?
[15:27] <leftyfb> rapidwave: bad service?
[15:27] <leftyfb> dTal: huh?
[15:27] <rapidwave> Yes, systecmtl says t is bad
[15:27] <leftyfb> rapidwave: which service?
[15:28] <rapidwave> mysql
[15:28] <rapidwave> msqld.service
[15:28] <leftyfb> rapidwave: remove/purge mysql should remove the service
[15:28] <leftyfb> rapidwave: or look at your logs and fix the problem
[15:28] <dTal> leftyfb: I'm sorry I don't understand your question
[15:29] <leftyfb> dTal: that makes 2 of us. If you need to parse bash-isms, then you need to specify #!/bin/bash
[15:29] <dTal> Yes, I know. Tell ANSYS
[15:30] <leftyfb> dTal: you'll need to contact ANSYS for support then. Pointing /bin/sh to /bin/bash is a terrible idea
[15:30] <dTal> Apparently on Red Hat and stuff /bin/sh is /bin/bash
[15:30] <dTal> there are about 16 thousand scripts in ANSYS
[15:31] <dTal> out of curiosity, what would break on Ubuntu is I did make that link permanently?
[15:31] <dTal> *if
[15:33] <rapidwave> mysql cannot connect to /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[15:34] <rapidwave> Says it doesn't exist
[15:34] <leftyfb> rapidwave: if you're looking to troubleshoot mysql, you might be better off asking in #ubuntu-server
[15:40] <sine0> hi folks, could I get some help, I have apt-get a program, its mega old and the software is one of these in dev ones where you need the latest
[15:40] <sine0> how can I best pull out the old one and then add the sources for the updated one
[15:41] <jpds> sine0: You can't
[15:42] <jpds> Ubuntu ships with a frozen archive for a release, it only gets major bug and security fixes
[15:43] <sine0> you mean I cant, in no way whatsoever, uninstall this software I have installed and then I cant install an updated version?
[15:44] <jpds> Oh, there are ways
[15:44] <sine0> yea i have done it before on linux installs, i know its "not the done thing" but like everyones doing it. like dope
[15:44] <jpds> It's just *ubuntu* isn't going to ship you an updated package for that software
[15:45] <sine0> how do i uninstall an apt-get package
[15:45] <jpds> apt-get remove
[15:46] <jpds> The easiest option is to see if the upstream author provides ubuntu packages
[15:47] <sine0> they have given me link
[15:47] <sine0> [PPA](https://launchpad.net/~freecad-maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/freecad-daily)
[15:52] <tryhard21> hi
[15:52] <tryhard21> my cronjobs won't run
[15:52] <tryhard21> i tried testing with `* * * * * /bin/echo "cron works" >> /tmp/file`
[15:52] <tryhard21> and it doesn't create the file
[15:52] <tryhard21> what should i do?
[16:11] <dTal> bah no patience these days
[16:22] <anarhist> greetings, i have a problem. i had the old computer, and things worked fine, i got another one after it broke down, and rather than reinstalling os i have simply taken out the harddrives and put them here. in the beginning everything worked fine, but in a few days i lost the ability to turn on the sound via hdmi, the mixer shows that it is "disconnected". i am on xubuntu 18.04
[16:44] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3ZFSZ3x962/   I can't seem to find much about "Lost carrier" or "DHCP lease lost" as it pertains to wifi. Anyone seen this? We didn't see this with 16.04 but do on 18.04. I have ipv6 disabled. power management disabled. Using multiple wifi chipsets/drivers. This is on Ubuntu server using systemd and wpa_supplicant.
[17:08] <akem> Hey, Do you think this could work on Ubuntu: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000292492102.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.c5cd775cjIQ6Ge&algo_pvid=20613d80-8622-43b5-a166-e11938392c13&algo_expid=20613d80-8622-43b5-a166-e11938392c13-7&btsid=0bb0624016003623271835049e8321&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
[17:09] <akem> Hm one guy said it's not BLE 5 but 4.
[17:10] <akem> HCI 9.X
[18:44] <dust> A start job for unit boot.mount has finished with a failure.
[18:44] <dust> The job identifier is 68 and the job result is failed.
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> Have all file systems mounted OK?
[19:21] <moonfmdesire> Hi, I have two mounted ntfs drives on my computer that are read only. How do I change it to read write and have my user name as owner?
[19:23] <EriC^^> moonfmdesire: sudo mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint
[19:25] <EriC^^> moonfmdesire: for the permissions you might need to chown the whole dir or remount while specifying the uid/guid
[19:25] <moonfmdesire> sudo: mount-o: command not found
[19:26] <jlj> moonfmdesire: needs a space in there
[19:26] <jlj> mount -o
[19:27] <moonfmdesire> Now the drives are not mounted
[19:27] <moonfmdesire> : - (
[19:28] <jlj> EriC^^: yeah doesn't ntfs write 777 by default?
[19:28] <jlj> moonfmdesire: did you get an error message?
[19:28] <moonfmdesire> no
[19:29] <abyssangel> hello everyone
[19:30] <moonfmdesire> lsblk shows the drives but thunar or whathaveyou does not
[19:30] <jlj> H'm. I just went with the default options: /dev/sdd1 on /media/ext type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096) [TOSHIBA EXT]
[19:32]  * jlj waves at abyssangel
[19:33] <moonfmdesire> So reinstall Ubuntu to resolve this issue?
[19:33] <jlj> Yikes no!
[19:33] <jlj> Wait! :-)
[19:33] <jlj> Does blkid say it's ntfs?
[19:34] <moonfmdesire> no it does not
[19:36] <moonfmdesire> jlj, But,I installed and formatted the drives myself
[19:36] <moonfmdesire> I dualboot
[19:37] <moonfmdesire> Maybe that is causing the issue...?
[19:37] <moonfmdesire> It's a pain to reinstall ubuntu
[19:37] <jlj> I see. Still seems extreme. So they're clean filesystems?
[19:37] <jlj> Yes, I agree!
[19:37] <jlj> :-)
[19:38] <moonfmdesire> but the drive permissions cannot be changed
[19:38] <moonfmdesire> I did all the chown chmoding and nothing, just read only
[19:38] <jlj> I assume you've install ntfs-3g, yes?
[19:38] <jlj> Yeah, you won't be able to change anything until it's mounted rw.
[19:39] <moonfmdesire> what is ntfs 3q?
[19:39] <moonfmdesire> what is the install package?
[19:40] <rfm> moonfmdesire, since it's a dual boot system you probably have windows "fast boot" enabled which basically turns shutdown into a suspend, and leaves the file systems dirty (uncommitted changes in the suspended os)
[19:41] <moonfmdesire> rfm, I do not have fastboot and do not enable that
[19:41] <moonfmdesire> my boot time is about three minutes per os
[19:41] <moonfmdesire> more or less
[19:41] <jlj> Ah. I've had problems with dual boot and fast boot. Didn't think of that.
[19:42] <jlj> Yes, ntfs-3g (g not q) is a package to install.
[19:42] <moonfmdesire> I already have ntfs-3g apparently
[19:42] <moonfmdesire> What a pain
[19:43] <jlj> Figured. Even if you don't think it's dirty, might be worth running fsck.
[19:44] <moonfmdesire> I think it only does this for linux file systems
[19:44] <moonfmdesire> I can reboot and run Windows utilities
[19:44] <moonfmdesire> But I think it will not change anything
[19:44] <moonfmdesire> So basically there is nothing I can do
[19:44] <moonfmdesire> Except work on the files from windows
[19:45] <jlj> H'm, learning myself at the moment... What about ntfsfix?
[19:47] <jlj> Or even ntfsinfo -m to start with...
[19:47] <jlj> -mv for verbose
[19:47] <moonfmdesire> jlj, So basically, you gave me commands that might even destroy my drives
[19:48] <moonfmdesire> jlj, Because you do not know yet
[19:48] <jlj> Sorry, should've said ntfsfix -n for no action.
[19:49] <jlj> Neither of those should do anything out of the box. Just give you more info.
[19:50] <moonfmdesire> Well, I need to track someone down who knows how to change permissions on an ntfs drive
[19:50] <moonfmdesire> or work from Windows
[19:51] <jlj> OK, well, I'm off. Good luck.
[19:53] <moonfmdesire> That about sums up Buntu support.
[21:10] <echelon> why isn't there a libgnutl30-dev package?
[21:12] <echelon> weird, i needed to install libgnutls28-dev
[21:21] <mloza>  how can I set pip3 to be pip in focal without doing manual symlink?
[21:22] <mloza> for python, i just install python3-is-python. Is there alternative for pip?
[21:38] <rayke> you could set an alias
[21:39] <rayke> e.g. alias pip=pip3


[14:24] <Beret> 4.3 hasn't landed in xenial yet right? (at least according to packages.u.c)
[14:30] <apw> Beret, it is in -proposed
[14:30] <Beret> ok
[14:30] <Beret> apw, thanks
[14:31] <apw> Beret, waiting on testing, and a bug fix or 3 which will require it to be re-uploaded, before it will get out to -release
[14:31] <Beret> ok
[14:31] <Beret> I'm gating my upgrade to xenial on that :)
[14:31] <rtg> apw, what bugs are blocking ?
[14:33] <apw> rtg, the move you did for ppc64el, the scsi drivers from =y -> =m needs some support fixes else the images won't boot -- udebs and the like
[14:33] <apw> rtg, they are sittng on master-next waiting on confirmatory testing by infinity
[14:33] <rtg> apw, ah, ok
[14:34] <rtg> apw, I can prolly reroll that without an ABI bump.
[14:34] <apw> rtg, there a re a bunch of cves on there too, and we don't do non-abi bumpers any more
[14:36] <rtg> well, how much fun is that
[21:04] <mjeanson> apw: a while ago we spoke about the build failures of lttng-modules-dkms on trusty's lts backport kernels, I had made a custom branch that builds against all current kernels and someone on the kernel team was suppose to have a look and see if it could be uploaded
[21:04] <mjeanson> all that to say, any news?
[21:04] <mjeanson> the branch was https://github.com/mjeanson/lttng-modules/tree/stable-2.4-trusty
[21:05] <mjeanson> it builds daily against all latest trusty kernels : https://ci.lttng.org/view/Packaging/job/package-trusty-x86-64/
[21:09] <mjeanson> and here's a test package https://launchpad.net/~mjeanson/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5320274/+listing-archive-extra


[13:17] <MegaBrutal> Hi all!
[13:20] <MegaBrutal> Please help me with bug #1770913. It's really annoying that I can't play HD videos after upgrading to 18.04.
[16:29] <MikeRL> Think I've noticed a bug but I don't know what package it applies to. Scrolling with the scroll wheel scrolls more than one line, and it is noticable in GNOME shell's application launcher and in games like Half Life 2.
[16:30] <MikeRL> It affected me on 16.04 and it's still present in 18.04.
[16:42] <ads20000> MikeRL: A comment on https://askubuntu.com/questions/47100/mouse-wheel-scrolling-too-fast links to a bug that was filed against xorg-server so perhaps file a bug against that, at least initially?
[16:42] <ads20000> (assuming you're using Xorg not Wayland)
[16:42] <ads20000> (to find out whether you are or not, hit Alt+F2 and then type 'r' and enter, your desktop will reload if on Xorg, it won't on Wayland)
[16:53] <MikeRL> I'm on Xorg, yes.
[16:58] <MikeRL> Hmm. That fixed it. Very odd. A bug in Xorg, perhaps?
[16:58] <ads20000> well given the comment on the question that's probably the best place to file one
[17:02] <MikeRL> File it against xerver-xorg?
[17:09] <MikeRL> Err Xorg?
[17:11] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1772183
[17:11] <MikeRL> Look like a good report?
[17:16] <MikeRL> Thanks for your help.
[17:16] <MikeRL> I knew that issue was old, but damn.
[17:20] <ads20000> Cheers, hopefully someone with some knowledge about Xorg will reply :)
[17:20] <MikeRL> Yeah thanks for the help again.


[01:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:39] <ducasse> good morning
[07:30] <yurtesen> good morning
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> hi yurtesen
[07:32] <yurtesen> hi lotuspsychje
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> !no ltsupgrade is <reply>  Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d


[01:09] <Noskcaj> How long till http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs supports vivid?
[01:13] <Noskcaj> wgrant, ^
[01:13] <wgrant> ajmitch: ^^
[01:17] <Noskcaj> Is there a vcs where i can try and make a patch?
[01:36] <teward> i'm only getting an ftbfs on a powerpc build of nginx, 1.6.2-5ubuntu1 seems otherwise to be working - do I need to panic about the powerpc build failing, or no?  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/193675980/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-powerpc.nginx_1.6.2-5ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is the build log, looks like it doesn't relate to a code ftbfs issue, maybe
[01:36] <teward> s/a powerpc build/the powerpc build/
[10:23] <cjwatson> teward: I wouldn't counsel "panic", but somebody needs to figure it out as this package has previously built on powerpc so the new version isn't going to reach vivid until this is fixed.
[12:08] <Peace-> guys .... http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/30/plasma-desktopyq1947.png
[13:18] <teward> cjwatson: the question then becomes, why are the ddebs unable to be parsed
[13:19] <cjwatson> teward: Don't know, you'll have to investigate that ...
[13:20] <cjwatson> That usually means that some of the .debs that you might expect to be generated actually weren't generated
[13:20] <cjwatson> IIRC
[13:21] <teward> hmm
[13:21] <cjwatson> You may well be able to work some of this out by reading pkg-create-dbgsym code and matching it up against the error output
[13:21] <teward> cjwatson: out of pure curiosity - are the repository builders for powerpc virtualized?
[13:21] <cjwatson> No
[13:21] <cjwatson> (Not yet, anyway)
[13:21]  * teward grumbles.
[13:21] <cjwatson> None of the builders used for Ubuntu itself are currently virtualised
[13:22] <cjwatson> But also, powerpc is not yet available in PPAs, which I suspect is your actual question
[13:22] <teward> makes it difficult to run build tests here if there's no reliable way to replicate the environment... but whatever, guess i'll start digging, on top of work adding 5 days of work into 2 days work
[13:23] <cjwatson> We'll hopefully improve the virtualisation situation next year
[14:06] <teward> cjwatson: is there any way to replicate a powerpc environment locally?  Because I can find no sane reason for the package to not build - the binary hasn't actually changed and apparently the exact same one builds fine upstream, so it's either in our Ubuntu delta... or something else
[14:07] <teward> (upstream in Debian)
[14:07] <teward> if the changes break because of the delta, then why didn't they break -4ubuntu1... hence my confusion
[14:07] <teward> and my seeking of a way to replicate the build environment local
[14:07] <cjwatson> teward: you can try with qemu-system-ppc, though it probably won't be quick
[14:08] <cjwatson> you can also retry the build to see if it's a non-deterministic failure, I suppose
[14:09] <teward> cjwatson: i'm thinking it might be a temporary derp, if it ftbfs again then maybe i'll dig into it, but it makes no logical sense that the changes incorporated in the merge would break the automated debug symbols process
[14:09] <teward> especially when the actual delta hasn't changed and doesn't affect the light packaging
[14:09] <teward> and there didn't appear to be any actual build failures either...
[14:09] <cjwatson> did you check for failures earlier in the build that might not have stopped the build?
[14:10] <teward> o...kay this is interesting
[14:10] <teward> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/1.6.2-5ubuntu1/+build/6678397
[14:10] <teward> looks like it reran its own build?
[14:10] <teward> either that or someone poked it - looks like it built the second time round o.o
[14:10] <cjwatson> oh yeah, I did a mass retry of all failures (unrelatedly)
[14:10] <cjwatson> so there, you can stop agonising about it ;)
[14:10] <teward> heheh
[14:10] <teward> cjwatson: possible non-deterministic temporary failure perhaps?
[14:10] <teward> (thanks for that btw)
[14:10] <cjwatson> *shrug* dunno
[14:11] <teward> cjwatson: i think i saw other powerpc failures upstream once before but a rerun fixed it there *shrugs*
[14:11] <teward> i'd have to sift throug hmy debian notices
[14:11] <cjwatson> maybe it was on a different builder, I didn't check
[14:12] <cjwatson> yeah, denneed02 vs. sagari, suppose the different host might make a difference, but not hugely motivated to dig into it
[18:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi ubuntu developers!
[18:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> have a nice new year!
[18:48] <sladen> LocutusOfBorg1: I think you might be a day or two early :)
[18:51] <LocutusOfBorg1> sladen, maybe ;) but I won't be there tomorrow :D
[18:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> maybe somewhere it is already tomorrow ;)
[20:55] <mark06> hi all, what's the position of ubuntu regarding packages that link to other packages that were built with openssl?
[20:56] <mark06> for example if cyrus sasl has been built with openssl support, that means a given gpl package cannot link against cyrus sasl, or what?


[22:02] <bazhang> Jordan_U'd!
[22:02]  * Jordan_U blows smoke from gun.
[22:26] <bazhang> mich> xfceone, you won't get any help here, just arrogant people
[22:27] <mich> Can I complain about my treatment on the ubuntu channel here?
[22:27] <bazhang> the 'does the updater ever not break things' should have been a clue
[22:27] <mich> I am given outdated instructions and then they say that is help, too
[22:27] <bazhang> mich, you were treated fairly
[22:27] <mich> no, I wasn't
[22:28] <mich> I'm backing up my data since I'll have to try upgrading myself
[22:28] <wxl> mich: you know every amount of help you got came from volunteers, right?
[22:29] <bazhang> mich you were given links multiple times on how to upgrade
[22:29] <mich> those links are showing ubuntu 12.04 or something!
[22:29] <bazhang> mich you want lts to lts?
[22:29] <mich> I'm sure someone has written a good writeup someplace... I just have to find it
[22:30] <bazhang> anything else mich?
[22:31] <mich> I thought I upgraded to 15.10?   I want 16.10 but obviously, I have to upgrade to 16.04 LTS.  Right?
[22:31] <Jordan_U> mich: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades has the instructions you need. It doesn't specificially mention 15.10 because there are (apparently) no additional steps needed for 15.10 to 16.04.
[22:31] <bazhang> the eolupgrades link gives that mich
[22:31] <mich> my kernel and packages are at 15.10 versions
[22:32] <Jordan_U> mich: If you had stated that that was the proplem that you were having with the link you were given, then I would have given that response in #ubuntu. But instead of giving productive feedback you just complained.


[10:06] <kjackal> Hi, is there support for availability zones in openstack?
[15:55] <balloons> kjackal, yes there is
[15:56] <balloons> kjackal, use "--to" juju bootstrap --to zone=blargh for example
[16:46] <ejat> hi ..
[16:46] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26398830/
[16:46] <ejat> trying to add heat after conjure-up openstack
[17:55] <kwmonroe> ejat: what does "juju show-action-output 9b053e45-6f73-486e-8cb9-acb5757ce6f3" show?
[17:55] <kwmonroe> ejat: also might be helpful to paste "juju debug-log -i heat/0 --replay"


[20:00] <atamira> good morning . another lovely day in auckland. we're being spoiled. not a cloud in the sky atm
[20:00] <atamira> im assuming Puppet is a new program?


[00:22] <SpamapS> soren: there's the Hungarian Phrase Book
[00:26] <Italian_Plumber> Is there some magic I need to do so that Ubuntu doesn't take up gobs and gobs of CPU time when copying, moving, or deleting files?  Just deleting a bunch of files has bumped my load average to close to "3".
[01:00] <mrroth_> any good ubuntu based email appliance distrubution
[01:03] <Calif> I'm using this tutorial to configure a dhcp server
[01:03] <Calif> http://www.howtoforge.com/dhcp_server_linux_debian_sarge
[01:03] <Calif> However, I'm not sure how to start it, the command in the tutorial didn't work.
[01:03] <Calif> 'no such file or dir'
[01:09] <ChmEarl> Calif, cause its called dhcp3-server?
[01:10] <Calif> well, I'm sure its sometihng stupid like that
[01:10] <Calif> I've got dhcpd.conf
[01:11] <Calif> I don't know, maybe this isn't even the right tutorial, I thuoght that was what they had promoted
[01:12] <ChmEarl> Calif, dhcpd.conf is used here on lucid-server, but in /etc/dhcp3
[01:13] <Calif> ok, let me try something
[01:13] <Calif> one sec
[01:14] <Calif> ok, I've messed this up good
[01:14] <Calif> I should probably start over
[01:15] <Calif> I just want a simple dhcp server, whats something that I can get with apt-get, that you would recommend?
[01:15] <Calif> is this dhcp3-server good? Would you have used something else?
[01:19] <Calif> fuck it, I made a backup ill just start over
[01:21] <JanC> Calif: dhcp3-server is good, but if you only need a simple DHCP/DNS server for a small LAN, you can also look at dnsmasq
[01:23] <Calif> Here's another question
[01:23] <Calif> # No service will be given on this subnet, but declaring it helps the
[01:23] <Calif> # DHCP server to understand the network topology.
[01:23] <Calif> #subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[01:23] <Calif> #}
[01:23] <Calif> What is this subnet - is this the external, internal, whats the point of this part?
[01:26] <ChmEarl> Calif, that only applies if you have a 10.x.x.0 private lan
[01:27] <Calif> what if I have a different address, but it's still a private address scheme on the lan I wish to use dhcp with?
[01:27] <Calif> eg: 192, or 172
[01:27] <ChmEarl> Calif, keep reading the samples, they show an example
[01:28] <ChmEarl> /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
[01:28] <Calif> I'm looking at a few under that
[01:29] <Calif> So the purpose of these lines is just to show different config examples, the above one being the simplest?
[01:29] <Calif> further more, the above one can remain commented without affecting anything?
[01:30] <Calif> I'm running this on a linux box thats doubling as a router/fw for my network
[01:30] <Calif> so I want to offer dhcp services to the internal
[01:31] <Calif> that said, the external interface is dhcp as well, but it gets its address from an upstream router
[01:32] <Calif> I'm sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.
[01:33] <JanC> Calif: for a small LAN, dnsmasq is much easier to set up & includes a DNS relay server (but lacks several more advanced features that dhcp3-server & bind support)
[01:33] <ChmEarl> Calif, your internals are limited to certain nics: in dhcp.conf I have - INTERFACES="eth1 eth2"
[01:33] <ChmEarl> eth0 is for my WAN
[01:34] <Calif> dhcpd.conf doesnt allow me to specify the interfaces
[01:35] <Calif> That said, if I just uncomment one of these, and give it the addresses of my internal interface, can I expect that to work?
[01:35] <Calif> Or is there some other place I specify the interface I want to use?
[01:36]  * ChmEarl slaps Calif with a trout: I just gave you the line
[01:36] <Calif> you said dhcp.conf
[01:36] <Calif> So i have to edit that file as well?
[01:36] <Calif> or did you typo it
[01:36] <Calif> and meant dhcpd
[01:37] <Calif> I swear, I wish I knew this stuff like you guys do ;p
[01:38] <Calif> I'm like 10 years behind or something until a month ago, the most advanced thing I did was setup an eggdrpo
[01:38] <Calif> now im running a server with a firewall, and dhcp, I'm setting up nagios
[01:38] <Calif> but I am fairly challenged by these tasks, it's going to be a long time before I understand nix like some of you guys
[01:39] <JanC> Calif: reading up on basic networking and what DHCP does might be useful  ;)
[01:39] <Calif> I've got basic networking, and I understand dhcp, but I'm coming from windows so there's a disconnect
[01:40] <JanC> it works exactly the same in Windows  ;)
[01:40] <Calif> it works the same, but the setup is radically different  ;p
[01:40] <Calif> it's similiar in the physical settings
[01:40] <Calif> but how you put it all together, and knowing what to edit where, I get confused easily
[01:41] <Calif> I can set this up on windows server with my eyes closed - setting up reservations, static assignments, ranges, all sorts of stuff
[01:41] <Calif> And I've read stuff on linux too
[01:42] <Calif> You all probably know the 'linux newbie administrator guide;
[01:42] <Calif> I've read that twice over the years, (not to say I'd not benefit from another round mind you.)
[01:42] <Calif> with me, I think, the trouble is I read stuff and it makes sense, but I need to _do_ it for it to sink in
[01:43] <Calif> and half the tutorials I find on stuff leave things out, or expect and assume you know some small detail... You can't ask a tutorial a question... so I wind up here
[01:44] <Calif> anyway, so back to this - I think if I can figure this out, I'll be able to do the rest and run this thing in a few minutes
[01:44] <Calif> I'm going to go look at your dhcp.conf, and see if that answers my question
[01:45] <Calif> well, my dhcp.conf ;p
[01:46] <Calif> ok, so using the locate command, I found a copy of that in the /etc/samba dir
[01:46] <Calif> is it supposed to be an empty file ?
[01:46] <Calif> probably..
[01:47] <Calif> ChmEarl, I just add the INTERFACES="ethx" - x being the interface going out to my internal network that I want to offer dhcp services on?
[01:48] <JanC> I suggest you don't go looking for similarly named files in random other directories  ;)
[01:48] <Calif> lol
[01:49] <Calif> So was he meaning to tell me to edit dhcpd.conf with that line, or did I miss something entirely here, because locate only came up with one file
[01:50] <Calif> if it is dhcpd.conf where in the file do I stick that line at?
[01:51] <Calif> I'm sure once I get the interface and that line I pasted earlier figured out, that would be all my questions for tonight ;p
[01:51] <Calif> There is an end to the madness I promise ;p
[01:53] <Calif> I know im close, it'd suck to abandon this 70% through to pick another dhcp server, that I'll probably likewise have dumb questions about...
[01:55] <Calif> chm, I didn't pm you without asking, I used notice - I'm making an effort :P
[01:57] <JanC> Calif: I configured my first gateway with dnsmasq in less than 30 minutes  ;)
[01:58] <JanC> less than 15 maybe
[01:58] <Calif> If I can figure out what I need to do next I'd be done in 2
[01:58] <JanC> and I suppose dhcpd.conf is the file for the DHCP server config
[01:58] <Calif> I believe so
[01:59] <Calif> I can paste you the contents in a pastebin if you think you could help
[01:59] <Calif> I think it's simple, but I know there's something to what chm said too about defining my interface
[01:59] <Calif> I know the info I want to put in for my network, but there's some stuff it says mainly for the examples that confuses me as to why they worded it like that
[02:00] <Calif> I'm tempted to ignore that part and just uncomment one of teh examples, change some stuff to my info, but that leaves the interface thing chm spoke of, that I can't figure out where to put it "INTERFACES="eth1 eth2""
[02:02] <Calif> Sorry, lost my connection
[02:04] <Calif> My room mates coming home soon, I may have to give up soon
[02:05] <JanC> well, 3am here, so I give up now  :P
[02:05] <twb> dnsmasq ROCKS
[02:06] <Calif> Cool, thansk for your help JanC
[02:06] <twb> Calif: interface lines go in dnsmasq.conf
[02:06] <Calif> I'm not using dnsmasq I don't think
[02:06] <twb> Oh sorry
[02:06] <Calif> dhcpd.conf
[02:06] <twb> Then I can't help :P
[02:06] <Calif> crap :/
[02:06] <Calif> lol
[02:07] <Calif> ok, I promise if I don't figure this out in a day or so
[02:07] <Calif> that will be the first thing I try
[02:07] <Calif> I'm already mostly through this one
[02:07] <Calif> so I'm hoping to finish it before I jump to another one
[02:07] <Calif> it'd be nice to figure out both in the end
[02:28] <twb> Is there a way to tell nmap to operate over an ssh hop (e.g. SOCKS with ssh -D) ?
[02:29] <twb> nmap is on my laptop, I can ssh into bastion.example.net, and from there I can connect to foo.example.net -- but I can't reach foo.example.net directly from my laptop, and I can't install nmap on bastio
[02:30] <RoyK> ssh -I
[03:31] <goddard> how can i setup a default pipe for email that doesn't have a real account?
[03:31] <goddard> like a catch all
[03:56] <twb> goddard: with postfix?
[03:56] <goddard> yes
[03:56] <Calif> ok, I read a bit about dhcpd
[03:56] <twb> goddard: dunno, try #postfix
[03:56] <Calif> I'm a bit confused with declaring a subnet/interface
[03:57] <Calif> I'm going to run dhcp on a box which acts as a gateway/firewall, and the external interface is a public address but it dynamically changes.
[03:57] <Calif> So how would I declare such a subnet in dhcpd.conf (isc)?
[04:08] <twb> Someone please explain this: /bin/sh: hardcopy.7: not found
[04:08] <twb> Someone please explain this: http://paste.debian.net/116054/
[04:08] <twb> Ah, -h
[04:09] <twb> never mind
[05:39] <blahdeblah> Any grub experts out there? I've got a client getting grub error 24 "Attempt to access block outside partition" on a server that was previously running perfectly. Bug #353071 seems to be related, but it is for much older versions, and i've tried all the suggested remedies.
[06:14] <blahdeblah> And i forgot to mention that there's no ext4 involved - all filesystems are ext3
[06:15] <ScottK> blahdeblah: What release were you using when the systems were initially installed?
[06:15] <blahdeblah> I don't know - i am only new on the site.  I think it was hardy.
[06:15] <blahdeblah> Certainly it was upgraded from hardy
[06:16] <ScottK> Then you at least have grub and not grub2.
[06:16] <blahdeblah> yes, definitely
[06:17] <blahdeblah> The upgrade from hardy was fine for a few weeks, then something happened (don't know what, since i am only on site when required) and on the next reboot it exhibited this problem.
[06:18] <blahdeblah> ScottK: I wondered whether i should upgrade to grub2, but i don't like to do upgrades in the middle of an unexpected downtime.
[06:18] <ScottK> I wouldn't.
[06:19] <ScottK> You're sure some enterprising young admin didn't decide these file systems should be converted to ext4?
[06:19] <ScottK> I'd guess not.
[06:19] <blahdeblah> yes
[06:19] <blahdeblah> Very sure
[06:19] <twb> blahdeblah: grub2 is a downgrade
[06:20] <blahdeblah> I also ran a full fsck which came back with no errors
[06:20] <blahdeblah> I've reinstalled grub a few times, using both the /dev/sdX devices, and the /dev/md0 device, and all result in the same behaviour.
[06:20] <twb> extlinux FTW
[06:20] <ScottK> Sorry, no idea.
[06:20] <twb> You've used it on CDs, you've used it from PXE, now use it for normal booting!
[06:36] <_ruben> hooray for co-workers not showing up for planned maintainance.. grr
[08:35] <talntid> What is your favorite file system for hosting/scaling a large MySQL database and why?
[08:37] <AphisOne> talntid: That may be a better question for the mysql room.
[08:51] <twb> I removed the stupid NAT interface from libvirt, because I only want bridging
[08:52] <twb> I just upgraded libvirt, and the postinst has recreated libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/default.xml -- why?
[08:52] <twb> That is not how conffiles are supposed to behave
[08:55] <rafalk42> hello, I'm trying to upgrade ubuntu server to 11.04 and I get following errors: http://pastebin.com/9whvVhs1 . Can i throw out one of those offending packages?
[08:58] <twb> Try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/console-setup_....deb /var/cache/apt/archives/keyboard-configuration_....deb
[08:58] <rafalk42> ok, I'll try that
[08:59] <twb> It's trying to upgrade keyboard-configuration first due to bad dependency declarations, I think
[08:59] <twb> Note that you should be upgrading only one version at a time
[08:59] <twb> e.g. 10.04 directly to 11.04 is not supported
[09:00] <rafalk42> oh, that could be the problem
[09:33] <th0mz> can some1 tell me where i can find the changelog for  libapache2-mod-php5 last night update please ?
[09:33] <th0mz> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS"
[09:34] <th0mz> i had some trouble with various CMS since last w.e. which has been corrected last night.
[09:35] <taneli> th0mz: aptitude changelog libapache2-mod-php5
[09:37] <th0mz> xampart: great, thanks.
[09:45] <twb> Did you know that in d-i, if you drop to a shell and do "mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda", you can convince d-i that you don't need a partition table?
[09:46] <twb> This is especially good for /dev/vda VM virtual disks
[10:37] <twb> Oh, NICE.  Warning: Permanently added 'example-natty' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[10:38] <twb> natty has ECDSA host keys OOTB
[11:18] <dany_> can anyone help with a virtual host configuration? I have 2 internal ip ś with 2 webservers. I want mail.domain.tld to refer to webmail and domain.tld to my website.
[11:19] <dany_> and both are port 80
[11:27] <xampart> dany_: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#servername
[11:28] <dany_> thank you
[11:29] <xampart> dns should be properly configured of course
[11:31] <RoyK> any idea what might cause this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/603635/
[11:32] <RoyK> dany_: you don't need two IPs either - it's easier to just use VirtualHost with host header (ServerName / ServerAlias)
[11:32] <jkakar> Hi!  I've got a server running my application.
[11:32] <jkakar> I've created an Upstart script to start it.
[11:32] <dany_> well i cannopt get zarafa an a joomla website to play nice on an OpenVZ container
[11:32] <dany_> so thats why i am trying this way
[11:33] <RoyK> ok - never tried openvz
[11:33] <jkakar> Previously, we were using start-stop-daemon, but I've removed it (because I made some changes and it was causing problems), so Upstart is starting the service directly now.
[11:33] <jkakar> I notice that the Debian guidelines recommend start-stop-daemon, but is this the recommendation for Ubuntu+Upstart?
[11:33] <RoyK> jkakar: both work
[11:34] <jkakar> RoyK: I guess they're kind of equivalent.
[11:34] <RoyK> just different ways to do things
[11:34] <jkakar> In this case my application is Twisted based and started by twistd.  I guess the reason to use start-stop-daemon would because (apparently) twistd's ability to switch to the right user can be dodgy.
[11:35] <RoyK> but - anyone that knows what might cause this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/603635/
[11:38] <soren> jkakar: start-stop-daemon is used to daemonise things that aren't very good at daemonising on their own. upstart is a proper process supervisor. You don't need start-stop-daemon with upstart.
[11:39] <jkakar> soren: Cool, that's my impression.
[11:39] <jkakar> I just need to test my application to make sure it switches users properly.
[11:40] <soren> jkakar: If not, I use su to do that in upstart.
[11:40] <soren> e.g.:
[11:40] <soren> exec su -c "nova-api --flagfile=/etc/nova/nova.conf" nova
[11:41] <jkakar> soren: Ah, interesting.
[11:41] <jkakar> soren: Thanks for the advice.  It helps. :)
[11:41] <soren> jkakar: It's not pretty, but until upstart learns how to do this natively, that seems to be the common pattern.
[11:41]  * soren wanders off for lunch
[11:41] <soren> jkakar: np
[11:55] <tim_s> I'm using ubuntu on ec2, one of my instances has stopped being able to connect to the apt repo.. anyone had this before?
[11:55] <tim_s> actually it can't even connect to google
[11:56] <jkakar> tim_s: Have you done something to the security group the instance is in that could cause such breakage?
[11:57] <tim_s> I can however see pages from it's apache server from my laptop.
[11:57] <tim_s> jkakar, not that I know of.
[11:58] <tim_s> jkakar: we haven't
[11:59] <jkakar> tim_s: Hrm, I'm not sure what to suggest then. :/
[12:00] <jkakar> tim_s: I've seen my EC2 instances (in eu-west-1) occasionally lose connectivity to the archive, but never to the internet in general.
[12:00] <jkakar> tim_s: Maybe something b0rked DNS on that machine?
[12:00] <tim_s> sounds like dns
[12:00] <tim_s> it can ping things
[12:00] <tim_s> oh I can ping google.com
[12:16] <hw> can anyone help me with updating apache and mysql on a 10.04.2 box? I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but it doesnt pick up the newer version
[12:17] <hw> apache 2.2.14 is the latest it has, and that apparently has some security issues that are causing it to fail a PCI scan
[12:32] <JanC> doh, now hw is gone...
[12:36] <RoyK> apache failing to do a PCI scan...
[12:36] <RoyK> oh well
[12:39] <JanC> RoyK: "Payment Card Industry" scan; you know "security experts" certified by credit card companies who are too stupid/lazy to test for actual vulnerabilities but just compare version numbers instead...  ;)
[12:45] <_johnny> hey, i use pubkey for my login to a box i have. now i'm adding another user (but still me who will use it), and i've added the same pubkey (from my computer obviously) to that users .ssh/authorized_keys. however, i'm thrown to password being the only allowed method http://pastebin.com/x3L6s8Uq
[12:46] <_johnny> can anyone help me debug this?
[12:48] <_johnny> there are no different rules from sshd to this new user. and the old user works fine with pubkey.
[12:48] <_ruben> _johnny: check the logs of the ssh daemon, and verify the permissions/ownership of the keys
[12:49] <_johnny> ownership might be wrong, good point
[12:54] <webwurst> Hi! I did a fresh installation of Ubuntu Server Natty, choosed btrfs for '/' and wanted grub to reside in /dev/sda
[12:55] <_johnny> _ruben: should i set it to verbose first? auth.log just tells me the pw is wrong (no mention of the pubkey attempts)
[12:55] <webwurst> installation finished, but booting does not work. i can chroot into the natty-server via live-usb
[12:56] <_johnny> _ruben: turns out my screen isn't found (although it exists). thanks for the help :)
[12:56] <webwurst> and now "# grub-install /dev/sda" gives me:
[12:56] <webwurst> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
[12:57] <webwurst> dev is mounted and i can see /boot/grub .. Any idea someone? ;)
[13:03] <_johnny> _ruben: oh no. now it's even harder to debug :( http://pastebin.com/6WYHpEVp i just get failed, and client mentions no reason for failure either
[13:10] <_johnny> ok, the bad perms might be due to encrypted homedir. my bad
[13:17] <_ruben> encrypted homedirs and key auth aren't best friends, you'll need to store you key in both your encrypted and unencrypted homedir
[13:24] <JanC> webwurst: is the live usb also natty?
[13:25] <webwurst> JanC: yes
[13:26] <JanC> well, I guess it doesn't really matter when you chroot into the server
[13:26] <JanC> I think btrfs.mod is rather new though
[13:27] <webwurst> JanC: boot is a directory. would it maybe help to make it subvolume and put it indo /etc/fstab? is grub-installer searching for something like that?
[13:28] <JanC> grub installer should work either way
[13:28] <webwurst> ok
[13:29] <JanC> webwurst: /dev is mounted in the chroot too?
[13:30] <webwurst> yes: i mounted proc, dev, sys with --bind
[13:33] <webwurst> JanC: grub-installer fails at this line:
[13:33] <webwurst> /usr/sbin/grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --target=device /boot/grub
[13:35] <webwurst> JanC: ..and there ist no device.map in /boot/grub/
[13:42] <webwurst> JanC: ist --target=device right in this case?
[13:50] <JanC> webwurst: eh, I guess not
[13:51] <webwurst> JanC: changed it to "fs" but same error ("cannot find a device for /boot/grub")
[14:07] <Aison> where can I find mac-fdisk for ubuntu?
[14:08] <pmatulis> Aison: is it packaged?
[14:09] <Aison> no idea, maybe I can also get the sources somewhere
[14:09] <Aison> I need to fix a mac partition table on an external drive
[14:09] <pmatulis> Aison: i cannot find such a command anyway
[14:12] <Aison> pmatulis, maybe there are other tools to manipulate hfs partitions with linux, no idea
[14:31] <Egonis> Recently, I had an attack on my wordpress site, which relayed over 160,000 e-mails through www-data using a PHP form. Is there a way to specify that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>can only send to mydomain.tld? Any suggestions otherwise? Any help is greatly appreciated.
[14:45] <rafalk42> ok, so in fact you CAN dist-upgrade directly from 09.04 to 11.04 ... altough with a few issues
[14:48] <Pici> rafalk42: Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
[14:52] <rafalk42> yeah, but I didn't knew about that before i started
[14:55] <hw> hey
[14:55] <rafalk42> hi
[14:56] <hw> anyone have any ideas on this one? I have a U 10.04.2 box that needs apache and mysql updated... when I run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade it doesnt pick up the newer versions
[14:56] <hw> it has apache 2.2.14, and the latest is 2.2.16
[14:56] <hw> any ideas? this one is kicking my butt :-(
[14:57] <hw> I see I could go to 10.10, but this has 10.04.2 LTS, not sure if I can upgrade... looking at this for a friend
[14:58] <Pici> 2.2.14-5ubuntu8.4 is the latest version in 10.04.
[14:58] <hw> so, when will this get updated? 2.2.14 has some security holes that make it fail a PCI scan
[14:59] <hw> or is really my only option to install 10.10?
[14:59] <hw> 10.10 I saw has apache 2.2.16
[15:03] <pmatulis> is there anything that would limit the number of concurrent SSH connections to a Lucid server?  (besides h/w resources)
[15:05] <Pumpkin-> the maximum number of PTY's (assuming the SSH connections have PTY's) is one thing.
[15:05] <Pumpkin-> think the default is 4096
[15:06] <pmatulis> i'm seeing disconnections after about 80
[15:06] <genii-around> The default number per connection I think is like 10
[15:07] <Defusal> Hi everyone, can anyone tell me why aptitude would tell me the following, or how i can get it to install mplayer on ubuntu server? http://pastie.org/1868062
[15:07] <pmatulis> genii-around: default number per connection?  isn't each session a separate connection (unless using multiplexing)
[15:11] <_johnny> how come update-motd doesn't have a /usr/sbin executable anymore?
[15:12] <_johnny> i mean, sure, in the long run anyone can wait 10 mins, but if you were to debug/edit, then waiting 10 mins for each change could get boring ;)
[15:17] <ScottK> hw: No, actually it doesn't have security holes.  What's happening is some brain dead security tool is looking at version numbers and not checking for actual vulnerabilities.  Ubuntu backports security patches.
[15:17] <genii-around> pmatulis: From manpage: " MaxSessions - Specifies the maximum number of open sessions permitted per network connection.  The default is 10."
[15:17] <genii-around> ( sshd_config )
[15:17] <hw> ScottK Yea, basically the issue is securitymetrics did a quarterly PCI scan, and that failed.
[15:18] <hw> Is there documentation of that somewhere? I can throw that back at securitymetrics
[15:18] <JanC> hw: the changelog and the cve tracker?
[15:19] <kees> hw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Versions
[15:19] <ScottK> hw: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.14-5ubuntu8.4/changelog
[15:20] <patdk-wk> on this note, anyone see that postfix security question, allowing the use of EHLO is a security issue, according to some scanners :)
[15:20] <ScottK> I did.
[15:20] <hw> kees: ScottK: thank you!! let me review what the tool reported
[15:20] <ScottK> Clearly I'm not leveraging other people's ignorance nearly hard enough.
[15:20] <kees> use of EHLO is not a security issue. :P
[15:20] <patdk-wk> these whole security scan things seem so silly, the more I see people use them
[15:20] <ScottK> kees: It was on postfix-users.
[15:21] <hw> yea, I agree. I've had to call the security scan providers a few times to get them to remove bogus stuff
[15:22] <hw> usually they do it without any issue, as long as you are technical enough
[15:22] <patdk-wk> now that, make me even more scared :)
[15:22] <patdk-wk> your paying them to be technical enough to do the scan
[15:22] <patdk-wk> not for you to tell them how to scan
[15:22] <kees> indeed.
[15:23] <patdk-wk> if your a 3rd party in this, then ya, I can understand :( (customer hired x to scan their hosting stuff on your equipment)
[15:23] <JanC> patdk-wk: you pay them to get some stupid worthless piece of paper that some financial company requires, I guess
[15:24] <patdk-wk> janc, pretty much :(
[15:24] <JanC> nice way to create new jobs for the economy  :P
[15:24] <hw> heh
[15:24] <patdk-wk> it's what burocrates are good at
[15:25] <hw> ok, the PCI scan says CVE-2010-1452 and CVE-2010-0425 are the issue.. the changelog says CVE-2010-1452 was fixed, but the other one is not on there
[15:27] <patdk-wk> hw, CVE-2010-0425 is an IIS issue, not linux :)
[15:27] <patdk-wk> so no, it won't be *fixed*
[15:28] <JanC> not an IIS issue, but in Apache's compatibility for IIS plugins or something like that
[15:28] <JanC> in any case, it's Windows-only
[15:28] <JanC> and shows how stupid that scan is  :P
[15:28] <pmatulis> genii-around: interesting, thx
[15:29] <genii-around> pmatulis: np
[15:29]  * patdk-wk never realized you could run apache as an iis isapi
[15:29]  * patdk-wk doesn't think he would ever want too
[15:29] <JanC> patdk-wk: I think it's the other way around, you can run ISAPI plugins on Apache  ;)
[15:30] <patdk-wk> oh?
[15:30] <patdk-wk> guess for .asp and .net stuff then
[15:30] <JanC> maybe
[15:30] <patdk-wk> shows you how much I run apache on windows :)
[15:41] <hw> patdk-wk: LOL I just read that a bit closer. Too Funny. Gotta love the security scan protecting this server from the dangers of Windows
[15:43] <JanC> hw: tell them you didn't put "Wine" on your server, see if they understand   ;)
[15:43] <hw> lol
[15:50] <patdk-wk> damn server is drunk again :(
[15:52] <_ruben> patdk-wk: using alcohol instead of watercooling? :)
[15:53] <patdk-wk> for *freeze* protection :)
[15:53] <_ruben> heh, hadnt thought of that one ;)
[15:54]  * patdk-wk would also assume alcohol fumes would smell nicer :)
[15:56] <_ruben> assuming you'd be concious still ;)
[16:04] <hw> Hey, thanks everyone for your help! I really appreciate it. I checked all of the "security issues" on the PCI scan, and they were patched a long time ago.
[16:05] <hw> For some reason, securitymetrics.com started failing these versions in the last few months
[16:06] <hw> going to call them today to get this fixed, I'm armed with the changelogs :-D
[16:07]  * patdk-wk hands hw a larger bat
[16:07] <hw> seriously
[16:07] <hw> what was that comment about helping the economy?
[16:07] <hw> lol
[16:12] <JanC> helping the economy is when you pay somebody to go over there with a bat  ;)
[16:12] <robo> hi: if i add a mount to /etc/fstab and it's options are .... nfs ro 0 1 -- the mount doesn't get added at boot. Any suggestions?
[16:14] <oCean> robo: the mount options should be separtated by comma nfs,ro -not sure if that's your entire issue though. You don't have to reboot to test. Just run 'sudo mount -t nfs -a'
[16:14] <oCean> *separated
[16:15] <JanC> eh, nfs is not an option but the fs type  ;)
[16:16] <oCean> oh right :)
[16:16] <oCean> heh
[16:19] <robo> oCean, mount -t nfs -a mounts it
[16:19] <robo> just not after a reboot.
[16:32] <robo> so the console is showing errors about how mountall failed. Before I get into why I'm trying to figure out how I get that same error when I'm ssh'd in to the machine
[16:32] <robo> I would think dmesg would have that, but it doesn't
[16:32] <SpamapS> robo: dmesg only has kernel messages (for now)
[16:32] <SpamapS> robo: you want /var/log/boot.log
[16:33] <robo> ah, ty
[16:33] <robo> oh, that doesn't exist
[16:33] <robo> (ubuntu 9.10)
[16:34] <robo> there is a /var/log/boot that only has "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
[16:34] <dany> I have configured my virtual host like this but my subdomain mail.domain.TLD will only refer to my website and not the webmail as you can see in the config > <VirtualHost WAN IP>
[16:34] <dany> ServerName mail.domain.TLD
[16:34] <dany> DocumentRoot /usr/share/zarafa-webaccess

[16:34] <dany>
[16:35] <dany> Am i just being a complete noob or is something else a problem
[16:35] <djbello> can somebody assist me with debugging an email issue with postfix?
[16:37] <djbello> i have a user running Apple Mail on a Mac. He quite often receives emails that don't show the attachments but some email source code instead (looks like attachment boundaries).
[16:37] <djbello> I am trying to figure out if his Mac is butchering the email (or doesn't display it right)
[16:37] <djbello> or if the email is somewhat malformed
[16:39] <djbello> darnit. Just got pulled away by my boss. Need to bring this up later.
[16:39] <djbello> Bye
[16:42] <robo> is there a way to show what programs are going to start at which runlevels? A centos chkconfig --list equivalent is what I'm searching for
[16:44] <patdk-wk> there are no runlevels :)
[16:44] <robo> ?
[16:44] <robo> patdk-lap, that's something that confuses me too that I need to look into. It shows I'm in runlevel 2 -- that's strange to me
[16:45] <Calif> Hi, I'm attempting to run dhcpd - I'm running it and getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/TRp4TiQC
[16:45] <patdk-wk> ubuntu only has runlevels to keep compatability with old stuff
[16:45] <patdk-wk> but it doesn't *use them*
[16:45] <patdk-wk> the same with almost every distro now
[16:45] <Calif> RIP run levels :/
[16:46] <robo> hmm
[16:46] <robo> so how do I know if my server is booted into a gui?
[16:47] <robo> normally if I see runlevel 3 I know I'm all text. Runlevel 5 I know I have X booted
[16:47] <patdk-wk> heh, a server with a gui is just pure evil :)
[16:48] <robo> i know. That's why I'd like to figure out if a gui is running
[16:48] <robo> i just inherited these servers and I know next to nothing about ubuntu :-/
[16:48] <patdk-wk> service gdm status?
[16:49] <robo> says un-recognized. Good thing!
[16:49] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:49] <patdk-wk> what is un-recognized?
[16:49] <Defusal> Hi everyone, can anyone tell me why aptitude would tell me the following, or how i can get it to install mplayer on ubuntu server? http://pastie.org/1868062
[16:49] <robo> gdm: unrecognized service
[16:50] <patdk-wk> ah, not installed
[16:50] <robo> so it's not running, which is good :-)
[16:50] <robo> So, if ubuntu doesn't use runlevels how do I know which scripts are executed at boot?
[16:51] <Pici> Defusal: What release of Ubuntu is that?
[16:51] <Defusal> 10.04
[16:51] <robo> i guess if runlevel shows i'm in runlevel 2 then I look in /etc/rc2.d ?
[16:51] <patdk-wk> heh, I'm lazy to figure it out :) 'grep ^start /etc/init/*'
[16:54] <Pici> Defusal: Can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy mplayer  ?
[16:54] <robo> man patdk-wk, ubuntu is so confusing
[16:54] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't think so :)
[16:55] <robo> i need to learn it
[16:55] <patdk-wk> I ran slackware for decades
[16:55] <patdk-wk> hated centos/redhat
[16:55] <robo> is ubuntu-server and debian pretty much the same?
[16:55] <Defusal> Pici: http://pastebin.com/4vZVcRQ0
[16:56] <ScottK> Defusal: You aren't trying to install the 10.04 version of mplayer.
[16:56] <Defusal> is it because it didnt remove the debian-multimedia source yet?
[16:57] <ScottK> You need to remove that.
[16:57] <ScottK> From /etc/apt/sources/list or list.d
[16:57] <Defusal> ah, thanks, my bad :)
[16:57] <Defusal> needed some packages and forgot to remove it earlier
[16:59] <dany> Does anyone know if Can i change the default url froom /webaccess to mail.domain.TLD ?
[16:59] <ScottK> robo: In many ways.   Ubuntu Server will generally have newer packages than the most recently Debian release.  Ubuntu uses apparmor by default instead of selinux.  Ubuntu has also implemented a number of security features that aren't in Debian yet:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[16:59] <dany> in zarafa
[16:59] <iggi> Anyone able to help me make a murmur upstart job? I run mine and it says murmur starts, but infact does not. This is the line I am using "exec /home/user/murmur/murmur.x86"
[16:59] <zul> SpamapS: ping upstart question for you
[17:13] <SpamapS> zul: sure in a bit
[18:00] <hallyn> kirkland: around?
[18:03] <Xpistos> Hello. When I log in to my server it says there are 50+ updateds but when I try to upgrade or dist-upgrade it says there are no updates?
[18:10] <robo> hi: I'm getting this error on boot: mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking
[18:10] <robo> any suggestions on why this is happening?
[18:10] <RoyK> start portmap
[18:11] <RoyK> or even - enable it
[18:11] <robo> I see rpc.statd running
[18:11] <robo> service portmap status shows portmap start/running, process 898
[18:11] <RoyK> perhaps portmap is started after the nfs mounts?
[18:11] <robo> yeah, seems that way RoyK
[18:11] <robo> any suggestions on how to figure this out?
[18:12] <RoyK> which version are you on?
[18:12] <robo> 9.10
[18:12] <RoyK> that's not supported anymore
[18:12] <robo> i know :-/
[18:12] <RoyK> I'd upgrade to 10.04LTS
[18:12] <robo> guess as of last week
[18:12] <robo> that's where I was trying to decide if 11.04 or 10.04LTS
[18:12] <RoyK> there are far more users on LTS releases, so bugs are found and fixed quicker
[18:13] <robo> oh? Nice to know
[18:13] <RoyK> if it's just a server, I'd suggest 10.04LTS
[18:13] <robo> cool; ty for the suggestion
[18:13]  * RoyK has 20ish 10.04 servers running
[18:13] <robo> nice!
[18:13] <robo> i have closer to 50 servers that will soon be ubuntu
[18:13] <RoyK> :)
[18:14] <robo> a bunch of solaris, ubuntu and centos right now
[18:14] <Pici> I use the latest Ubuntu release on all my personal computers (including my VPS), but for work stuff I stick with 10.04
[18:14] <robo> I prob have around 15-20 ubuntu but they are all running 9.10
[18:14] <RoyK> robo: we still stick with solaris^WOpenIndiana for storage
[18:14] <RoyK> ZFS FTW!
[18:14] <robo> We use Netapp here
[18:14] <RoyK> heh - that costs a bit more ;)
[18:14] <robo> yes, yes it does
[18:15] <Xpistos> I found the answer. motd not updateing so I deleted /etc/motd.tail - problem solved
[18:15] <RoyK> cost us some EUR 20k per 100TB box with supermicro hardware and openindiana on the top
[18:15] <robo> I just inherited all these ubuntu servers.  Is that data de-duplication?
[18:16] <RoyK> no dedup - that's not really stable yet
[18:16] <robo> gotcha
[18:16] <RoyK> but redundancy as of small RAIDz2 VDEVs
[18:16] <robo> oh, right
[18:17] <RoyK> and with SSDs for caching, the boxes can sustain 10Gbps throughput, which is rather neat for a machine at that price
[18:18] <RoyK> s/a machine/machines/
[18:19] <robo> so RoyK, any ideas how i can get portmapper to start before nfs?
[18:20] <robo> i'm not really sure how to adjust this type of thing in ubuntu. I don't think it's as easy as editing files in /etc/rcx.d
[18:20] <RoyK> robo: upgrade to 10.04 first - it might be fixed there, and it'll give you updates
[18:20] <robo> so you think it's just a bug?
[18:20] <RoyK> robo: ubuntu uses upstart for most stuff
[18:21] <RoyK> robo: yes
[18:21] <robo> upstart, let me look into that
[18:21] <RoyK> robo: it won't take too long to upgrade, though
[18:21] <robo> is there a recommended way?
[18:21] <RoyK> do-release-upgrade
[18:21] <robo> i was thinking I'd have to build a fresh O/S and move everything over
[18:21] <robo> oh, nice
[18:21] <RoyK> upgrading is trivial
[18:22] <JanC> just check the release notes etc.
[18:22] <robo> nice! :-)
[18:22] <JanC> and maybe try first with the least important one  ;)
[18:23] <patdk-wk> janc that is defently not any fun
[18:23] <RoyK> patdk-wk: why?
[18:24] <robo> there is nothing fun. We use vmware
[18:24] <patdk-wk> to test it? before attempting it on production? :)
[18:24] <robo> So snapshot -> upgrade :-D
[18:24] <RoyK> yeah :)
[18:24] <RoyK> patdk-wk: coward!
[18:24] <JanC> if you have vmware you can probably just test on a copy too...
[18:25] <patdk-wk> ya, I'll clone, then test
[18:25] <patdk-wk> but only if I feel something will break
[18:25] <patdk-wk> and my guts don't work most of the time :)
[18:25] <RoyK> patdk-wk: for most servers, an upgrade won't even need a clone, so long as you have a snapshot
[18:26] <patdk-wk> well, it depends on how you test
[18:26] <patdk-wk> I'll play with it for a week or so
[18:26] <RoyK> depends more of what sort sort of server
[18:27] <robo> all our servers are N+1. So I snapshot it and pull it out of the F5 pool for testing
[18:27] <patdk-wk> so formal :)
[18:27] <RoyK> robo: where do you work?
[18:28] <robo> in the US for a medium sized corporation
[18:28] <RoyK> how specific ;)
[18:28] <robo> we have cool toys here
[18:28] <robo> :-D
[18:29] <robo> F5, Netapp, getting some EMC storage
[18:29] <robo> vmware
[18:30] <RoyK> what's F5?
[18:30] <patdk-wk> firewall/loadbalaner company
[18:31]  * RoyK has some rather nice toys as well - just setup this new 2U box with four servers, each with a dual 12-core opteron and 64GB RAM
[18:31] <patdk-wk> mine are the other way around
[18:31] <RoyK> s/a dual/dual/
[18:31] <patdk-wk> dual quadcore 5630's with 192gb ram
[18:31] <patdk-wk> and still keep running out of ram :(
[18:32] <RoyK> patdk-wk: virtualisation?
[18:32] <patdk-wk> yep
[18:32] <patdk-wk> never really overload the cpu's ever
[18:32] <RoyK> what hypervisor?
[18:32] <patdk-wk> esxi
[18:32] <RoyK> ok
[18:32] <RoyK> mine are just compute nodes
[18:33] <patdk-wk> this is 50+ win2003/8 machines :(
[18:33] <robo> I'd quit :-)
[18:33] <patdk-wk> have two other clusters that are almost all ubuntu
[18:33] <RoyK> setting up mpich2 on them these days...
[18:33] <RoyK> dosen't ESXi support memory overcommit?
[18:33] <patdk-wk> royk, yep
[18:34] <patdk-wk> and memory dedup
[18:34] <robo> and does it nicely too
[18:34] <RoyK> for some stupid reason (price, that was, we're an institute, and get rather good prices from MS), my boss chose hyper-v over vmware
[18:34] <patdk-wk> but when each vm is running 4-8gigs of ram
[18:34] <RoyK> hyper-v is not for the faint-hearted
[18:35] <patdk-wk> oh, I setup hyperv once, cause well, we had win2008 lic
[18:35] <patdk-wk> the application failed to work properly in a win2003 hyperv guest
[18:35] <patdk-wk> really strange issue
[18:35] <patdk-wk> it was a webserver
[18:35] <RoyK> excessive network traffic seems to bring down the VMs on hyper-v
[18:35] <patdk-wk> ya :)
[18:36] <RoyK> there's a hotfix available now, though - the MS guys installed that on one of the nodes today
[18:36] <patdk-wk> the hyperv guest would get the http headers, and send a reply, but the reply would never make it to the network wire
[18:36] <patdk-wk> I dumped hyperv after that
[18:36] <RoyK> hehe
[18:36] <patdk-wk> between that and lack of memory overcommit
[18:37] <patdk-wk> my san just arrived at my house last week, haven't had any time to set it up though :(
[18:37] <RoyK> I don't get why MS hasn't figured out memory overcommit
[18:37]  * patdk-wk starts playing with 8gb fc at home :)
[18:37] <RoyK> patdk-wk: probably useful in the winter, if you live in a place where it gets cold :P
[18:38] <patdk-wk> hehe
[18:38] <patdk-wk> I already hack a shelf of servers that are all poe
[18:38] <patdk-wk> thinking about converting them all to san boot, diskless poe test machines
[18:38] <patdk-wk> hmm, not poe, but wol
[18:40] <adam_g> \
[18:42] <RoyK> wol?
[18:42] <Pici> Wake On Lan
[18:42] <RoyK> k
[18:43] <RoyK> but poe can't really drive a PC, can it?
[18:43] <JanC> maybe if it's an ARM blade, but AFAIK those are not available yet  ;)
[18:44] <RoyK> 25.5w for a PC seems a little low
[18:44] <JanC> RoyK: depends on what "PC"
[18:44] <RoyK> for an ARM or Atom, perhaps
[18:44] <JanC> there are x86 SoCs that run at 1 W (GPU included)
[18:45] <RoyK> SoCs?
[18:45] <JanC> but I doubt those are used a lot in servers, outside of small home servers
[18:45] <JanC> SoC = System-On-a-Chip
[18:46] <JanC> basically most of your motherboard integrated in 1 chip, like they also use in smartphones etc.
[18:46] <RoyK> ah - ok - but I don't think those will be much fun if you try to start a 3D game on them
[18:46] <JanC> well, old 3D games should be possible  ;)
[18:47] <JanC> and the x86 SoCs I know have much worse 3D GPU than high-end ARM SoCs
[18:48]  * RoyK likes ARM
[18:48] <RoyK> this guruplug is rather neat
[18:48] <JanC> RoyK: you can play Full HD video on some ARM SoCs nowadays
[18:48] <RoyK> I know
[18:49] <RoyK> HTC Desire HD with HDMI output....
[18:49]  * RoyK goes to find his old C128
[18:49] <JanC> or a PandaBoard  ;)
[18:49] <JanC> but there is a company working on 4-core & more ARM SoCs for blade servers AFAIK
[18:50] <RoyK> aren't ARMs rather slow on FP?
[18:50] <JanC> I guess that depends
[18:51] <RoyK> also, even if you can pack them more densely than, say, Opterons, there's still a cost of splitting jobs into smaller and smaller pieces
[18:53] <JanC> ARM just defines the main CPU architecture, and in recent designs they have some SSE-like instructions, but you could probably use specialised co-processors if you need heavy FP (similar to the DSP they use to decode video)
[18:53] <JanC> RoyK: that depends on the type of job of course
[18:53] <RoyK> met stuff
[18:53] <RoyK> windfield simulations etc
[18:54] <JanC> your users probably know best how well they can parallellize that  ;)
[18:54] <patdk-wk> royk, I didn't mean poe, I meant to say wol instead, keep the rack of computers off, unless I need them :)
[18:54] <RoyK> :)
[18:55] <patdk-wk> but the ones I'm using are 2.6ghz p4's, and use about 46watts
[18:55] <JanC> except on boot, I guess?  :P
[18:55] <patdk-wk> why?
[18:55] <patdk-wk> no harddrives :)
[18:55] <patdk-wk> shouldn't use *that* much more on boot, I think the psu on them is 90watts
[18:57] <JanC> then you are wasting a lot probably
[18:57] <RoyK> wasting what?
[18:58] <JanC> 90 W PSU's (and certainly older ones) probably aren't very efficient at 45 W
[18:59] <patdk-wk> well, lets say it this way
[18:59] <RoyK> IIRC most PSUs are most efficient at about 50% load
[18:59] <patdk-wk> I dunno how much power the computer is using
[18:59] <patdk-wk> the PSU draws 45 watts :)
[18:59] <RoyK> or was that 30%?
[19:00] <patdk-wk> my watt meter on the 120v line going to the psu says 45watts :)
[19:01] <patdk-wk> how strange of me also, my workstation runs on 230v, but I haven't ran a 230v line to the *rack*
[19:02] <RoyK> most PSUs today take anything from 100 to 250V
[19:02] <patdk-wk> yep
[19:02] <patdk-wk> I have always found 120v power annoying, and neutral wires even more annoying
[19:03]  * RoyK just read about the .jp power grids - there are two of them! 50Hz and 60Hz
[19:03] <patdk-wk> oh? are they converting to 50hz?
[19:04] <patdk-wk> japan has always been a strange mix of usa and eu standards
[19:04] <RoyK> the north runs on 50Hz, where the south runs on 60Hz
[19:04] <RoyK> both on 110V, though
[19:05] <RoyK> I don't see the point of running 110V systems when 380/400V systems are so much flexible
[19:07] <patdk-wk> I don't see the point of 110v since a neutral is a waste of a power wire
[19:25] <aBs0lut30> hey guys, anybody had any luck getting any of the newer(SCST,LIO) iscsi targets working??
[19:25] <aBs0lut30> on natty that is...
[19:26] <aBs0lut30> I can get SCST running but as soon as I attach vmware to a lun it wigs out... lio, well I cannot even come close to making that one work
[19:28] <Calif> Hi, I'm trying to get dhcpd running. I am getting a permissions error when attempting to create the pid file. See: http://pastebin.com/TRp4TiQC
[19:28] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, how about a Linux client? does it react the same way?
[19:28] <Calif> I have done a chmmod 777 /var/run
[19:28] <Calif> removed the old pid file
[19:28] <Calif> and i still get the permission error when I run dhcpd
[19:29] <aBs0lut30> ppetraki: havent tried a linux client, but the win7 client seems to work just fine...
[19:29] <patdk-wk> well. lio is new, I don't believe it's suppost to be that *stable* till kernel 2.6.42
[19:29] <aBs0lut30> ppetraki: and I should clarify, I can connect vmware to the target, but as soon as I try and format a lun to VMFS it just hangs the server
[19:30] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, so LUN discovery, with any transport, is usually free of block level access
[19:30] <aBs0lut30> am a bit curious as to why IETD is still the "default" iscsi package at this point... its a complete POS... IMHO
[19:30] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, e.g. connecting and writing to it are two separate things
[19:30] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, the win7 client, can you perform IO?
[19:31] <aBs0lut30> not much, but I partitioned and formated a lun with no problems
[19:32] <aBs0lut30> on the vm side, I do see a TON of command aborts once it tries to start writing to the lun
[19:32] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, well, that's sufficient, a handful of reads and writes
[19:32] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, so that tells me the Linux iSCSI server side of things isn't disfunctional
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> yeah its really odd...
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> ohh, there is one more thing... let me pastebin this real quick...
[19:33] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, I was just about to ask for logs :)
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> http://pastebin.com/4Xszaxs5
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> that is a fault I saw pop up once...
[19:34] <aBs0lut30> let me grab some of the regular logs and throw out there as well...
[19:34] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, oh, vmware running on Linux, I automatically thought ESX :-p
[19:34] <aBs0lut30> well it is ESX
[19:34] <aBs0lut30> that fault is from the SCST side
[19:35] <ppetraki> yeah, that looks real
[19:35] <aBs0lut30> http://pastebin.com/cLrBkbB2 there is a snap of the dmesg output from SCST after I connect to the lun
[19:36] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, task wakes up to process a command and looks like it dies doing some refcount housekeeping
[19:36] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, bug it
[19:36] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, sorry :(
[19:37] <aBs0lut30> me too :( stuck with the crappy IETD I guess... which sucks cause ESX is killing it like once a day...
[19:37] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, IETD? what's that?
[19:37] <aBs0lut30> the old iscsi enterprise target...
[19:37] <aBs0lut30> aka the iscsitarget package
[19:38] <patdk-wk> I have only started playing with scst last week
[19:39] <patdk-wk> plan on doing a lot of it soon, but didn't plan on much iscsi with it, mainly going use it for fc lun's
[19:39] <aBs0lut30> if I could get it to work, SCST looks pretty easy to use...
[19:40] <aBs0lut30> and from what I read/hear it works pretty well too...
[19:45] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, I know lots of about SCSI, haven't really had the opportunity to play with iSCSI yet though
[19:46] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, I can tell you though, that emulating a SCSI target is one of the most difficult things you can attempt in storage
[19:46] <aBs0lut30> heh, and I am pretty much the other side of that coin...
[19:46] <aBs0lut30> yeah... I can tell, hah
[19:47] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, this doesn't sound like a terrible bug, I'm surprised we didn't catch this in regression testing
[19:47] <patdk-wk> oh? scst is included in natty?
[19:47] <aBs0lut30> well, wouldnt be supprised to find out its something strange in my setup that is causing it...
[19:47] <aBs0lut30> patdk: not really...
[19:48] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, if your clients obey the SCSI spec well enough, which I expect as much from VMware, then it's likely the target emulator screwed up somewhere in the translation
[19:50] <aBs0lut30> based on what I am seeing that would sound about right... would love to know what the win7 client is doing that lets it work...
[19:50] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, that lets the win7 client run up until this point :). put some stress on that with iometer and I think you'll come to the same conclusion
[19:50] <aBs0lut30> plus I had to jump through a number of hoops to get SCST to build/load... and one of the patches for the 2.6.38 kernel wont apply correctly... so there is no telling
[19:51] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, ooooh, now I get it :)
[19:51] <aBs0lut30> yeah, forgot about that patch not going on until just now...
[20:15] <SpamapS> adam_g: <impression voice="korn">ARE YOU READY?</impression>
[20:48] <hallyn> SpamapS: regarding bug 280421, did you push my proposed package already?
[20:50] <SpamapS> hallyn: no I didn't see it in the queue. I suppose I can sponsor and then approve.. ;)
[20:51] <hallyn> SpamapS: no, no
[20:51] <hallyn> SpamapS: it's no good, pls reject
[20:52] <SpamapS> hallyn: there's nothing to reject

[20:58] <hallyn> SpamapS: new one comin' atcha
[20:58] <hallyn> SpamapS: oh, right, that's right.  you must have not seen my other irc msg.  I couldn't push, no perms.
[20:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: hurry I want to go eat lunch. :)
[20:59] <hallyn> well you can do this after lunch if you like
[21:00] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~serge/ethtool-src.tar.gz
[21:00] <hallyn> has the src pkg
[21:00] <SpamapS> a debdiff is fine
[21:00] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~serge/debdiff
[21:01] <SpamapS> alright, will review later.. might be a while. :-/
[21:02] <robo> hi: so I installed ubuntu but didn't have a network interface setup in vmware. It's now there but after I reboot it doesn't look like ubuntu detects it (dmesg |grep eth shows nothing and no eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces.) Is there a way to get ubuntu to detect the nic? lspci does show the vmware vmxnet3 ethernet controller
[21:03] <hallyn> SpamapS: np, i consider myself done, if you dont' like how i did the changelog pls just hack it right in the debdiff since the two of us seem to have horrible communications latency :)
[21:18] <Andre_Gondim> to use webmin I need to unlock root? if not what is the default user/passwd after instalation?
[21:27] <guntbert> !webmin | Andre_Gondim
[21:27] <Andre_Gondim> thanks
[21:39] <WilliamHuffleswo> lol i put debian server on my old ubuntu server box to try it out and the load is so much less
[21:40] <patdk-lap> load?
[21:40] <WilliamHuffleswo> it's 0.01 now but with ubuntu server it was always around 0.80
[21:40] <WilliamHuffleswo> confused :p
[21:40] <patdk-lap> load means nothing :)
[21:40] <patdk-lap> what was running?
[21:41] <patdk-lap> using all the cpu time?
[21:42] <WilliamHuffleswo> I just had a clean install and it never seemed to work very well, but debian is much better
[21:42] <WilliamHuffleswo> does ubuntu put extra stuff on it that you don't really need?
[21:42] <ScottK> The default install is similar for servers
[21:42] <elliot_just_for_> :)
[21:42] <JanC> if you have a load of 0.8 on an idle system, you should investigate what's wrong...
[21:43] <WilliamHuffleswo> it's weird though it only did that with ubuntu
[21:43] <WilliamHuffleswo> idle with debian is from 0.00 to 0.01
[21:43] <ScottK> Some of the security features (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features ) do cause some marginal CPU usage increase, but nothing like that.
[22:31] <robo> does ubuntu use /etc/resolv.conf? I don't see it
[22:32] <robo> oh, looks like i have to manually create it. All because i didn't have a ethernet card added