[06:43] <saadmn> anyone here?
[07:08] <ara> morning!
[10:21] <ara> mvo, hello :)
[10:22] <mvo> hello ara
[10:23] <ara> mvo, not too important, but with the new design of update manager I cannot longer see the speed of downloads :(
[10:23] <ara> mvo, the dialog is always: downloaded xxxxkb of xxxxkb at x...
[10:23] <ara> mvo, I cannot read it completely
[10:23] <ara> mvo, and it cannot be resized
[10:23] <ara> mvo, it does not have a tooltip either
[10:24] <mvo> ara: right, its a knwon bug, sorry about that, I will target it for beta
[10:24] <ara> mvo, nice! thanks
[10:24] <ara> mvo, can you pass me the bug number, please?
[10:25] <mvo> bug #434937
[10:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434937 in aptdaemon "new Karmic progress windows are too small for content" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434937
[10:27] <ara> mvo, thanks!!
[11:40] <davmor2> morning all
[12:09] <ara> hey davmor2!
[12:09] <ara> davmor2, late morning, uh?
[12:09] <ara> davmor2,  :)
[12:11] <davmor2> ara: yeah had a couple of things I needed to do first thing
[12:11] <ara> davmor2, well, it is going to be a long long week anyway...
[12:11] <davmor2> although I wasn't expecting it to take as long as it has :(
[12:12] <davmor2> ara: What makes you think that then ;)
[13:03] <Tommie> Are the ISO's for ubu 10 available somewhere?


[10:44] <tax0n> malverian[work] , have you tried a work around script like deleting all relevant package's file and directory listings and running reinstall - i.e. remove apt's knowlege of target package as one installed
[10:44] <malverian[work] > Seveas, Well if it did a dpkg --ignore-depends=dpkg -r dpkg and then tried to dpkg -i a file.. it would fail seemingly.
[10:44] <Daehlie> i booted using the ubuntu 5.04 install dvd and it gets to booting the kernel.ok and hangs, anyone know what the deal is?
[10:44] <mik3_> Seveas : usually it's a java type plugin, flash seems to work ok
[10:44] <conor> Nute: sorry then, I can't be anyhelp lol good luck though
[10:44] <Seveas> malverian[work] , indeed, but that's because dpkg is unloaded from memory
[10:44] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to figure out why I do not have 32bit 3D acceleration with ubuntu... I am running AMD64 any help would be great
[10:45] <Madpilot> !tell mik3_ about java
[10:45] <malverian[work] > tax0n, Seveas provided me with a solution (apt-get install --reinstall pkgname)
[10:45] <LadyLinux> Need help wit modem driver dependancy -  sl-modem-modules-new - no package.
[10:45] <budluva> so whats the difference between the preview of breezy and the final release?
[10:45] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody use gmail notifier?  mine refuses to log in
[10:45] <mik3_> im almost certain i instaleld java bu i'll try again
[10:45] <budluva> should i just wait for the final release?
[10:45] <malverian[work] > Seveas, Alright, I won't pretend to know the inner workings of apt. I just assumed it opened a pipe to the process for each operation.
[10:46] <conor> abarbaccia: mine g-mail notifier (under firefox I presume) works fine.  Truy reinstalling the extension
[10:46] <Quinthius> budluva: preview is still beta and needs fixes
[10:46] <abarbaccia> not the firefox extension - the actual gmail notifier in breezy
[10:47] <conor> oh, I didn't realize there was one, I wanna check that out.
[10:47] <Quinthius> abarbaccia: where do you get the notifier?
[10:47] <malverian[work] > I don't understand how apt removed all of my shared object files...
[10:47] <malverian[work] > It's pretty ridiculous.. I think a perl package got screwed up and it borked my entire system when apt tried to carry on with installing packages.
[10:48] <jpfarias> hey people
[10:48] <malverian[work] > Since apt uses perl for a lot of backend stuff..
[10:48] <setite> seveas... whats the header thing again
[10:48] <reiki_work> is a tilde an illegal character in a filename?
[10:48] <jpfarias> what's the default root password on a new ubuntu hoary install?
[10:48] <Quinthius> reiki_work: no
[10:48] <Seveas> grmbl...
[10:48] <reiki_work> Quinthius: ok thanks
[10:48] <godzero> jpfarias: there is none
[10:49] <NightBird> ok, I found the answer, thanks
[10:49] <jpfarias> just <enter> will work?
[10:49] <Quinthius> jpfarias: root is disabled by default, use sudo
[10:49] <godzero> nothing will work, not possable, use sudo
[10:49] <jpfarias> Quinthius, what you mean with "use sudo"?
[10:49] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody know how to get 3d acceleration to work with 32bit stuff in AMD64 ubuntu?
[10:49] <mik3_> how do i install a .bin file?
[10:49] <war-totem> has anyone ever gotten corner xmms gdesklet to work?
[10:50] <Quinthius> jpfarias: execute commands that need root access, with "sudo command"
[10:50] <SlicerDicer-> mik3_, sh foo.bin
[10:50] <mik3_> k
[10:50] <Quinthius> jpfarias: such as: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <jpfarias> Quinthius, but I want a root shell =(
[10:50] <Quinthius> jpfarias: sudo -H -s
[10:50] <mik3_> he means sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <jpfarias> hmm
[10:50] <godzero> root shell like: sudo -i
[10:50] <war-totem> i keep getting a sensor can not be found
[10:50] <SlicerDicer-> mik3_, nah sudo nano /etx/X11/xorg.conf :P
[10:50] <mik3_> hehe
[10:50] <SlicerDicer-> mik3_, there is 10billion ways to skin that cat
[10:51] <mik3_> =P
[10:51] <mik3_> anything but vi!
[10:51] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[10:51] <setite> hear hear!
[10:51] <SlicerDicer-> I prefer nano myself pico is welll too pico :)
[10:51] <evian> I am new to sudo too
[10:51] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody know how to get 3d acceleration to work with 32bit stuff in AMD64 ubuntu?
[10:51] <evian> I tried: sudo su
[10:52] <evian> and that worked
[10:52] <godzero> nano aint bad for quick stuff, I kinda like it
[10:52] <jpfarias> sudo -H -s asks for password
[10:52] <mjr> SlicerDicer-, with DRI, it just doesn't work yet :I
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> Answer, yeah well go p0wns somewhere else nano pwns joo
[10:52] <mik3_> heh i tried adding myself to the wheel group the first time i installed ubuntu =P
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> mjr, I dont use DRI I am using nvidia
[10:52] <Quinthius> jpfarias: type your password. just as with all other sudo commands
[10:52] <Answer> www.p0wn.com
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> mjr, I usto have it working back a few months ago when I tried ubuntu before I just cant remember how to do it
[10:52] <Quinthius> jpfarias: sudo -i may be better, btw. i just read up on it
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> Answer, :P
[10:54] <teeagoo> hello, somebody can helpme!!!? When i start session (gdm) and login, XFCE dont works? ( openbox and gnome do not have problem, sorry for my bad english)
[10:54] <linukso> Wow! I installed breezy on my test machine, and I am impressed! Looks very nice
[10:54] <Quinthius> linukso: yup, i like it a lot better than hoary, just some bugs floating around still
[10:54] <carlos_> Is it posible to upgrade to Gnome 2.12 in Ubuntu Hoary, without installing Ubuntu Breeze ?
[10:55] <deFrysk> carlos_, only if you wish to break your system
[10:55] <Seveas> indeeed
[10:55] <linukso> gnome is improving with every release! even nautilus is usable now :D
[10:55] <jpfarias> duh
[10:55] <jpfarias> sudo -i worked
[10:55] <theine> carlos_, why not update to breezy when it's released?
[10:55] <jpfarias> I thought sudo asked for root password
[10:55] <jpfarias> not my password
[10:55] <Quinthius> jpfarias: sudo -H -s should work just as well. sudo always asks for your pass, not root's
[10:56] <linukso> carlos_: I think you would have less trouble if you installed breezy instead of upgrading gnome on hoary...
[10:56] <Quinthius> jpfarias: but it will only ask once every 15 mins or so
[10:56] <carlos_> I will do, but really liked the new gnome and the preview released of breeze is giving me problems
[10:56] <Quinthius> jpfarias: so it doesnt get too annoying
[10:56] <SlicerDicer-> mjr, is there extra 32bit libs I can install?
[10:56] <setite> yay im gonna upgrade back to hoary... screw breezy for now
[10:56] <Seveas> (Quinthius, you can set it up to ask for the root pass ;))
[10:56] <deFrysk> carlos_, 13 oct is only for weeks from now
[10:56] <jpfarias> does anyone knows how to make X work on higher resolutions?
[10:56] <deFrysk> be patient ;p
[10:56] <Seveas> !resolution
[10:56] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:57] <setite> !tell jpfarias about resolutions
[10:57] <Quinthius> Seveas: not surprising... but never seen that, hehe
[10:57] <linukso> on my test system breezy seemed rock solid, and gnome 2.12 felt a lot faster than 2.10
[10:57] <carlos_> Yhea i'll have to wait :)
[10:57] <godzero> jp: you're in the sudoers list. sudoers uses youur current pwd
[10:57] <setite> damn i messed that up
[10:57] <carlos_> btw the breeze is looking really good
[10:57] <carlos_> indeed gnome 2.12 felt faster for me also
[10:57] <jpfarias> learned a lot in 5 mins =D
[10:57] <Miguelzinho> is there a dumb way to share a printer to windows machines?
[10:57] <setite> wtf.. he is telling me he doesnt know what to do with resolution either
[10:57] <setite> ubotu is fucking with me
[10:58] <ubotu> setite: No idea
[10:58] <godzero> jp: that's why you want a stront password for your main login
[10:58] <nalioth> setite: language, please
[10:58] <nalioth> setite: what are you asking ubotu?
[10:58] <setite> yesss mr. naliiooothhhhh
[10:58] <setite> i was asking him about resolution
[10:59] <setite> but in query i have to leave out the !.... didnt know that
[10:59] <SlicerDicer-> is there a command like linux32 to run 32bit stuff in AMD64 ubuntu?
[10:59] <setite> SlicerDicer-, some just runs
[10:59] <nalioth> SlicerDicer-: you have to chroot
[10:59] <SlicerDicer-> nalioth, umm... I did not have to a month ago the only thing I am having trouble with is 3D acceleration
[11:00] <fejaor> ok...I have my mouse working....but not with the correct buttons....the thumb buttons are the scrolling and the scrolling is the thumb buttons
[11:00] <nalioth> SlicerDicer-: i dont' have an amd64, (i'm more handicapped than that)
[11:00] <SlicerDicer-> nalioth, I understand :)
[11:00] <godzero> fejaor: that's what soldering irons are for
[11:00] <conor> Hey guys, when I plug in any usb device it doesn't mount, or show up, help please!
[11:00] <fejaor> mmmm
[11:00] <abarbaccia> how do i get my gstreamer engine to play mp3 files
[11:00] <abarbaccia> ?
[11:01] <SlicerDicer-> nalioth, I havent run a chroot since novemeber of last year and have refused to :) I dont feel that there is a need hehe
[11:01] <nalioth> abarbaccia: use gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:01] <nalioth> SlicerDicer-: if i were running amd64, i'd probably have compiled all my stuff myself (but that's just me)
[11:02] <setite> !nvidia
[11:02] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:02] <SlicerDicer-> nalioth, I know there is a way to fix this I did it the last time I used ubuntu I just cannot remember how I did it
[11:02] <fejaor> all I need is how to change the thumb buttons to be back and forward and the scrolling button to scroll up and down
[11:02] <evian> I love ubuntu so far. I'm thinking to introduce my dad to it. But he only has a 56k modem. Does an install take all day and night with that?
[11:02] <SlicerDicer-> nalioth, I have searched forums but I cant find what I need
[11:02] <odatubuntu> setite: still having problems?
[11:02] <Lethal-Rocks> evian, Only if you do it by net
[11:02] <funkyHat> evian, no, as long as he doesn't say download updated packages during the install
[11:02] <funkyHat> he can update once he's got it running
[11:03] <evian> ok thanks
[11:03] <fejaor> someone who can help me??
[11:03] <fejaor> all I need is how to change the thumb buttons to be back and forward and the scrolling button to scroll up and down
[11:04] <evian> I used to use mandrake, but since I started playing around with an ipaq with a debian based dist on it, I got interested in debian.
[11:04] <sorush20> I can 't  eject the cdrom can someone help please. .
[11:05] <cevizoglu> sorush20: eject cdrom doesn't work?
[11:05] <evian> I need to read a good Debian book now (since there aren't any ubuntu books out yet)
[11:05] <Ubuntu_U> sorush - eject /media/cdrom
[11:05] <Ubuntu_U> sorush - umount  -f /media/cdrom
[11:05] <makkk> does anyone know why i cant seem to be able to ssh into localhost?
[11:05] <Ubuntu_U> sorush - ps -e kill the process locking it.
[11:05] <Seveas> makkk, because you did not install the ssh server?
[11:06] <godzero> fejaor: sorry, I have no clue
[11:06] <johns^> or it isn'' t running
[11:06] <makkk> seveas, no no, its worked in the past,
[11:06] <cevizoglu> makkk: are you getting an error message?
[11:06] <makkk> no, it just times out
[11:06] <Seveas> makkk, any info from /var/log/auth.log?
[11:06] <sorush20> cevizoglu: no it doesn't can someone hel p please
[11:06] <makkk> sshd seems to be running
[11:06] <fejaor> godzero, thanks anyway
[11:06] <fejaor> someone who can help me??
[11:06] <fejaor> all I need is how to change the thumb buttons to be back and forward and the scrolling button to scroll up and down
[11:07] <Ubuntu_U> Seveas - hint me/point me to the command/app to change display color depth on the fly.
[11:07] <cevizoglu> sorush20: is something on the cd still in use?  is your pwd on the cd?
[11:07] <hajiki> Ubuntu_U, System > Preferences > System Resolution
[11:08] <harrytuttle> Ubuntu_U: doesn't exist as long as i know it
[11:08] <makkk> seveas, what should i look for in /etc/log/auth.log?
[11:08] <hajiki> Ubuntu_U, System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[11:08] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody know how to get 3d acceleration to work with 32bit stuff in AMD64 ubuntu?
[11:08] <Seveas> any unusual things like login errors
[11:08] <sorush20> cevizoglu: it was working fine a few minutes ago.. .. I have had to force umount.. its not mounted but I keep getting errors that I can't eject it..
[11:08] <Seveas> Ubuntu_U, afaik there is no on-the-fly way of doing thaat...
[11:08] <Daehlie> anyone else having trouble even getting the amd64 install disc to boot?
[11:08] <makkk> seveas, dont see anything strange
[11:09] <sorush20> does freenode log all the chats...
[11:09] <Seveas> makkk, netstat -tlp | grep ssh
[11:09] <deFrysk> yes
[11:09] <deFrysk> ubuntu does anyway
[11:09] <Seveas> does that give output?
[11:09] <Ubuntu_U> Seveas - xorg <options>   controls color depth?
[11:09] <kicolobo> hi, i had just updated my system using synaptic and now my sound is mute.
[11:09] <makkk> seveas: (Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info
[11:09] <makkk>  will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.)
[11:09] <makkk> tcp6       0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN     -
[11:10] <kicolobo> How can I configure the sound?
[11:10] <Seveas> !sound
[11:10] <ubotu> sound is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[11:10] <timbltimbl> hi, can someone please help me, i'm having trouble, getting: "error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format"
[11:10] <kicolobo> thanks
[11:10] <abarbaccia> anybody got the site to enable all the buttons on my intellimouse?
[11:10] <makkk> seveas: with sudo: tcp6       0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN     7458/sshd
[11:10] <deFrysk> timbltimbl, thats something you cannot install
[11:11] <Seveas> makkk, right, it only listens on ipv6 apparently
[11:11] <Seveas> ssh ::1 should work
[11:11] <deFrysk> timbltimbl, or are you trying to play an mp3 ?
[11:11] <makkk> seveas, what do you mean?
[11:11] <Ubuntu_U> You guys are great! The reason Ubuntu is kicking butt aginst other very well known and long established distributions.  :)
[11:11] <makkk> and how do i make it go back to normal?
[11:11] <test34> makkk, when it says ipv6, it listen on ipv4 too
[11:11] <timbltimbl> defrysk, no, i'm not, i'm trying to boot to ubuntu, but i keep getting that error from grub bootloader
[11:12] <Seveas> makkk, I mean that ths ssh server does not listen at <IP_ADDRESS> (localhost) but only at ::1 (ipv6-localhost)
[11:12] <Seveas> restart the ssh server
[11:12] <cevizoglu> Ubuntu_U: I think it's kicking butt because it **works** on my powerbook  :)
[11:12] <Seveas> or try ssh ::1
[11:12] <sorush20> I had to sudo eject the cdrom..
[11:12] <deFrysk> timbltimbl, not sure how to fix that
[11:12] <makkk> network unreachable
[11:12] <theine> Hi, is grub actually able to boot a floppy image located on an ext2 partition via its chainload mechanism (or any aother means for that matter...)?
[11:12] <Lethal-Rocks> !tell me about rt 2500
[11:13] <Seveas> Lethal-Rocks, at has a page at the wiki
[11:13] <makkk> I'll try to restart it
[11:13] <harrytuttle> theine: with the help of memdisk, yes
[11:13] <test34> makkk, did you change the default port ?
[11:13] <makkk> test34, not voluntarily
[11:14] <makkk> i dont remember doing anything different. could firefox1.5b1 have screwed things up?
[11:14] <Seveas> makkk, did restarting the thing work?
[11:14] <Seveas> makkk, no
[11:14] <timbltimbl> anyone has a bit of time to help me out please?
[11:14] <kemik> maybe
[11:14] <steveO_Office> who is running 5.10 with vmware here? im have just a small bit of trouble
[11:14] <theine> harrytuttle, which is the syslinux image loader?
[11:14] <kemik> !anyone
[11:14] <ubotu> I heard anyone is 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[11:15] <harrytuttle> theine: it is part of the syslinux project, but you can download a memdisk image separately from the net without recompiling it and using it to boot a floppy disk image (or a small hard disk image)
[11:15] <makkk> saveas, no luck after having restarted it with bootup manager
[11:15] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody know how to get 3d acceleration to work with 32bit stuff in AMD64 ubuntu?
[11:15] <dabaRCo>  kemik I can get that factoid, cause I am always on this channel, and I had to read it twice. COnsider rewriting.
[11:15] <anybody> too..much..red..text
[11:16] <Seveas> makkk, paste your sshd.conf on the pastebin
[11:16] <harrytuttle> theine: (it pretty cool, nevermind handy...)
[11:16] <dabaRCo> anybody: hah.
[11:16] <sorush20> how do I mount a cdrw from terminal can someone help please.. I have cd /media/cdrom1
[11:16] <makkk> seveas, can i get that link again?
[11:16] <Auriacan> Seveas, mind if i download something from your site?
[11:16] <dabaRCo> makkk: its in the topic
[11:16] <dabaRCo> makkk: /topic
[11:16] <Seveas> Auriacan, not at all, what do you need?
[11:16] <makkk> ahh, thanks. also where is sshd.conf?
[11:17] <dabaRCo> makkk: /etc/ssh
[11:17] <Auriacan> the java SDK
[11:17] <erUSUL> hi, i've seen a big update today for hoary (~50 MB) what have caused this? is this for the firefox flaw only?
[11:17] <kemik> dabaRCo:  think someone edited it
[11:17] <theine> harrytuttle, it does sound extremely handy, thanks for the info!
[11:17] <spiral> erUSUL: it was an X update
[11:17] <Seveas> Auriacan, msg me the username and password you want
[11:19] <makkk> seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2108
[11:19] <codenut> Can someone help me with PPP configuration?
[11:19] <makkk> this was 'sshd_config', there was no 'sshd.conf'
[11:19] <timbltimbl> kemik, my computer crashed while it was doing an update for the kernel and now everytime i try to boot to ubuntu, i get an error message from grub saying: "error 13: invald or unsupported executable format"
[11:20] <timbltimbl> i think the problem is simply that i have no kernel for the moment
[11:20] <CookedGryphon> i have jsut done a very bad thing....
[11:20] <makkk> night keik
[11:20] <codenut> Any one using a modem connection with ubuntu to the internet?
[11:20] <CookedGryphon> codenut, yeah
[11:20] <Seveas> makkk, put the output of ifconfig on the pastebin
[11:20] <kicolobo> is there any way to make my system redetect my sound card?
[11:21] <kemik> timbltimbl:  that seems to be the error yes..
[11:21] <cevizoglu> !tell codenut about anyone
[11:21] <timbltimbl> how can i solve it?
[11:21] <kemik> "This error is returned if the kernel image being loaded is not recognized as Multiboot or one of the supported native formats (Linux zImage or bzImage, FreeBSD, or NetBSD)."
[11:21] <timbltimbl> any ideas?
[11:21] <sorush20> I wrote a cd at uni and wanted to view it on the ubuntu system but its haveing a lot of problems reading the cd but there was no errors on the burn.. I used roxio 5.5 its having problems reading the cd as I type.. can some one help.. it mount okay but to access the files.. its taking ages..
[11:21] <timbltimbl> so, i do have a kernel?
[11:22] <makkk> seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2109
[11:22] <rapha> Hi all.
[11:22] <abarbaccia> anybody ever get this error about you .dmrc file and permissions when you are logging in?
[11:22] <kemik> timbltimbl:  it seems to be broken... not sure how to recover
[11:22] <rapha> I've a request.
[11:22] <schleyfox> hey, yeah I just resized my windows drive, all the data is dandy (I have checked), but it won't boot
[11:22] <pnall_> okej
[11:22] <schleyfox> I installed ubuntu
[11:22] <Seveas> makkk, right
[11:22] <Seveas> sudo ifup lo
[11:22] <pnall_> s r jag hr
[11:23] <Seveas> pnall_, please stick to english in here
[11:23] <rapha> You guys must disable the "Skyrocket" screen saver by default. My girl and I were just lying in bed *making love* and then there's a loud BOOOOM! BOBOBOOBOOOOM! from the speakers.
[11:23] <timbltimbl> i tried with a suggestion from someone else, booting from knoppic, chroot to ubuntu and then install kernel, but the install did not work
[11:23] <schleyfox> grub manages to load the windows booter but it fails
[11:23] <Seveas> rapha, rofl :)
[11:23] <makkk> seveas, thanks. that seems to have worked
[11:23] <pnall_> Yes master
[11:23] <rapha> Recently my grandmother was here for a visit. And suddenly she nearly fell off her chair.
[11:23] <kemik> googled it but found nothing interesting right away..
[11:23] <Seveas> makkk, is there a line 'auto lo' in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:23] <rapha> Seveas: Believe me, if you'd been in that situation you wouldn't be laughing now.
[11:24] <Madpilot> rapha: that one startled me a while ago too - now I remember to turn my speakers off when I leave the computer alone!
[11:24] <kemik> sorry timbltimbl, never seen that before.. stick around and ask again later, or try the forums :/
[11:24] <rapha> This thing mustn't be enabled by default.
[11:24] <makkk> seveas, yes
[11:24] <kicolobo> how can I configure my sound system? Is there any tool I can use to do that?
[11:24] <codenut> I am having trouble with the PPP modem configuration for a hardware modem.
[11:24] <Srekel> hi!
[11:24] <codenut> It will not take for some reason and I am unable to set the default gateway to it.
[11:24] <Srekel> I get " ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available"
[11:24] <Seveas> makkk, ok, was just checking :)
[11:24] <Srekel> what might be the cause of that?
[11:25] <bartimaeus> hey, can anyone explain DNS servers?  Setting up an apache web server?
[11:25] <codenut> I can to a lan card, but not the PPP.
[11:25] <Noah0504> Hey everyone.
[11:25] <abarbaccia> can somebody here give me their ~/,dmrc file because somehow mine is gone and it yells at me every time i log in
[11:25] <Seveas> bartimaeus, apache is not a dns server...
[11:25] <makkk> seveas, well, hopefully this was a fluke and problem solved. thanks
[11:25] <Bubblefly> Will updating with the update manager do the exact same thing as apt-get upgrading in the end?
[11:25] <bartimaeus> ya, i know
[11:25] <codenut> Also, it connects and then immediately dumps.
[11:25] <Seveas> abarbaccia:
[11:25] <Seveas> [Desktop]
[11:25] <schleyfox> exit
[11:25] <jims> Anyone able to help a newbie with troubleshooting .11g and WEP key?
[11:25] <Seveas> Session=default
[11:25] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to figure out why I have 32bit direct rendering in AMD64 but I do not have 3D acceleration can somebody please help me?
[11:25] <Madpilot> !tell bartimaeus about lamp
[11:25] <timbltimbl> kemik, what kernel do you have?
[11:25] <Seveas> these 2 lines is all ;)
[11:25] <erUSUL> timbltimbl, boot from the live-cd and chroot to the old install once mounted
[11:25] <codenut> DNS is set up.
[11:25] <bartimaeus> the docs say I need to do something with a DNS server in order to do virtual hosting
[11:26] <abarbaccia> Seveas, thanks a bunch
[11:26] <erUSUL> timbltimbl, then tou can continue the upgrade
[11:26] <codenut> Is there another way to set up PPP without the GUI?
[11:26] <timbltimbl> erunsul i tried that but could not continue the upgrade
[11:26] <Seveas> bartimaeus, you need to point the domains to your machine if you want to host these domains
[11:26] <bartimaeus> ya, how do i do that?
[11:26] <erUSUL> codenut, pppconfig
[11:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> where can I get details on the new features of breazy?
[11:26] <erUSUL> timbltimbl, :(
[11:26] <sorush20> when I try to copy from the cd rom I keep getting stalled in the konqueror status bar can someone help please..
[11:26] <kemik> timbltimbl:  2.6.10-5-386
[11:27] <timbltimbl> this may be dumb, but is it possible to paste a compiled kernel (from someone else) to /boot
[11:27] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, wiki.ubuntu.com/Breezygoals
[11:27] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> sorush20: do you stall when you copy with nautilus or the terminal?
[11:27] <Seveas> timbltimbl, it's dumb to do that :)
[11:27] <bartimaeus> how do i point the domains to my computer?
[11:27] <codenut> I will check that out.
[11:27] <erUSUL> timbltimbl, you'll need lib/modules aswell
[11:27] <theine> Does anybody know why on breezy the actually hostnames of any remote machine do not show up anymore in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:27] <erUSUL> and the initrd
[11:27] <Seveas> bartimaeus, register them and make your registrant do that
[11:28] <bartimaeus> oh, ok
[11:28] <bartimaeus> cool
[11:28] <jims> I have recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop and the wireless settings have to be reconfigured each time I reboot.  Any suggestions?
[11:28] <timbltimbl> mm, other possible solutions?
[11:28] <Noah0504> Can anyone help a noob add MP3 and Divx support to Ubuntu?
[11:29] <kemik> !restricted
[11:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:29] <nalioth_wrkn> !tell Noah0504 about restricted
[11:29] <Seveas> theine, HashKnownHosts = yes (/etc/ssh/ssh_config)
[11:29] <Seveas> that's the reason
[11:29] <Seveas> hoary did not have that line
[11:29] <Bubblefly> Because the update manager was in the top panel when I woke up this morning, and I was like "Okay." and it upgraded like, two things... and I just did an apt-get upgrade and it was like "100 things to update."
[11:29] <theine> Seveas, ah great, thanks a lot
[11:30] <theine> Seveas, I wouldn't bother if bash_completion wouldn't be so damn handy in this case...
[11:30] <Noah0504> Thanks!
[11:31] <Noah0504> That's one reason I liked Debian, it had support for basically all codecs...But, Ubunut is much more user friendly.
[11:31] <okapi_14> hello, anyone can tell about root privilege and sudo command? I do not understand how it works
[11:31] <Noah0504> Now I have the best of both worlds.
[11:32] <nalioth_wrkn> !tell okapi_14 about root
[11:32] <jims> Is there anyone who can help a newbie with Wireless configuration?
[11:32] <rapha> Kay, posted a bug in bugzilla.
[11:32] <rapha> G'night everbody!
[11:33] <anybody> jims, whats the problem
[11:33] <theine> okapi_14, if you prefix any command with `sudo' you effectively run that command with root privileges
[11:33] <abarbaccia> Seveas, on that file, who owns it and what are the permissions?
[11:33] <hmrocha> hello, i'm having a little trouble setting up a NIS client
[11:33] <ompaul> !tell okapi_14 about root
[11:33] <hmrocha> i don't know what's happening
[11:33] <jims> Anybody - Everytime I reboot my laptop, I have to re-enter the WEP key.
[11:33] <hmrocha> i have portmap installed
[11:33] <hmrocha> and the nis package too
[11:33] <Seveas> abarbaccia, which file?
[11:33] <Auriacan> are there any motif source files for ubuntu?
[11:34] <hmrocha> i set up the nisdomainname
[11:34] <abarbaccia> .dmrc
[11:34] <hmrocha> edited /etc/yp.conf and added "ypserver <ip>"
[11:34] <Seveas> abarbaccia, you, permission 600
[11:34] <abarbaccia> I don't get it....
[11:34] <hmrocha> but when i run /etc/init.d/nis start, it's too slow
[11:35] <hmrocha> and ypcat passwd.byname doesn't work
[11:35] <hmrocha> what might be happening?
[11:35] <renardo> nerolinux c vraiment mardique je confirme
[11:35] <abarbaccia> it keeps giving me this warning when i log in, but its such BS because it loads my session even tho it says it wont
[11:35] <Seveas> abarbaccia, what is the exact warning?
[11:36] <jims> Any: If I don't go through the configuration applet, no DNS works. (I have DHCP thru my router).
[11:36] <abarbaccia> Your $HOME/.dmrc does not have the correct permissions and will therefore be ignored.  Your default session will not be loaded.  The file should be owned by the user with permissions 644.
[11:37] <eric123> hey guys
[11:37] <codenut> THanks to all for your little gems of ideas to help me set up ubuntu!!!!!
[11:37] <abarbaccia> Alright, i gotta run, i'll google some more later on...oh well.
[11:37] <Seveas> abarbaccia, and what happens if you chown it to you and set permission 644?
[11:37] <eric123> quick ubuntu question, i have  a abit mother board with a built in video car...
[11:37] <codenut> pppconfig seems to be the thingJ!!
[11:38] <godzero> abaraccia: check owner's name and uid
[11:38] <abarbaccia> Seveas, i get the same error!
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> when i use gl2 either in mplayer or quake my pc sometimes freezes, does the hardware run too hot? 57C on my gfx chip
[11:38] <eric123> but it wont see it when i load it... how do i have ubuntu find it and load onthe monitor?
[11:38] <sorush20> I've put into the CD drive a CDRW written with ROXIO and I have problems with reading from the CDRW
[11:38] <floo> nvidia hardware accelleration broken
[11:38] <funkyHat> XD
[11:39] <funkyHat> using breezy colony 4 live CD. everything works great
[11:39] <funkyHat> including the nVidia glx drivers
[11:39] <Seveas> abarbaccia, ls -al ~/.dmrc
[11:40] <sorush20> are there ati drivers available
[11:40] <funkyHat> would it be advisable for me to uninstall nvidia-glx before doing the upgrade, and then reinstalling it afterwards? so as to avoid any mishaps :)
[11:41] <deFrysk> funkyHat, no need for that
[11:42] <funkyHat> cool :)
[11:42] <funkyHat> i'm thinking i'll do the upgrade today then :)
[11:42] <jims> If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate it.  I installed Ubunto onto my latop and everything worked great.  When I rebooted, my wireless didn't work.  Going through the Config applet, DNS starting working agin and it was OK.  But the settings are not saved for the next reboot.  I have to re-enter the WEP key to get networking to start again.
[11:43] <cogumbreiro> how can I access the patches in a certain package?
[11:43] <Seveas> jims, you might want to consider manually editing /etc/network/interfaces
[11:43] <jims> I have tried enter the WEP key as 'xxxxxx' and xx:xx:xx and xxxx:xxxx:xxxx each will work the first time, but not when it reboots...
[11:43] <Seveas> cogumbreiro, by doing apt-get source packagename and inspecting the diff.gz
[11:43] <jims> Any suggestions for a newbie?
[11:44] <cogumbreiro> Seveas, thx :)
[11:44] <jims> Seveas: What should the file look like?
[11:46] <godzero> jims: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12045.html
[11:46] <ColonelKernel> how stable is the breezy preview release
[11:46] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, quite stable
[11:46] <jims> Godzero: Thanks, I'll check that web page!
[11:46] <funkyHat> very stable for me :)
[11:46] <funkyHat> i'm upgrading in about 1/2 hour
[11:47] <funkyHat> (running the live CD of colony 4 now)
[11:47] <Auriacan> does anyone do motif aplication programming on ubuntu?
[11:47] <ColonelKernel> im using hoary with the breezy kernel
[11:47] <ColonelKernel> 2.6.12-8.12
[11:47] <LasseL> does anyone do motif programming anywhere?
[11:47] <ColonelKernel> smooth as silk really
[11:47] <Auriacan> yes
[11:47] <ColonelKernel> anyhow thanks
[11:47] <cevizoglu> when I accidentally make a chat window detach from my tabs in xchat, how do I put it back?
[11:47] <holycow> ColonelKernel, consider it unstable until released
[11:47] <Srekel> guys, which kernel comes with ubuntu now?
[11:47] <Auriacan> it's part of class
[11:47] <Auriacan> so i gotta do it
[11:48] <cevizoglu> nevermind
[11:48] <holycow> 2.6.10
[11:48] <welly> Hello all, I don't suppose anyone can give me a bit of help with ICS and my ubuntu install? :) I've got two network cards in my windows box, one going to the internet, the other using a crossover cable to my linux box
[11:48] <welly> having no luck at all sharing the internet connection :()
[11:48] <Auriacan> but ubuntu doesn't come with the libraries i need to build motif aplications
[11:48] <holycow> welly, your windows box is the router?
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> no, because motif was obsoleted.... a long time ago
[11:49] <erUSUL> Auriacan, have you tried lesstif
[11:49] <erUSUL> ?
[11:49] <holycow> -_-
[11:49] <Auriacan> lesstif?
[11:49] <welly> holycow, basically yes.. everytime i turn on the ICS in windows, i lose my connection to my linux machine
[11:49] <LightVision> hello
[11:49] <Srekel> holycow, thanks
[11:49] <LightVision> when is new ubuntu released?
[11:49] <holycow> Srekel, no worries
[11:49] <erUSUL> Auriacan, a gpl motif clone
[11:50] <welly> lol holycow, only if your warez site will supply apps smaller than a few megs :) very very small hard drive
[11:50] <erUSUL> Auriacan,  apt-cache search lesstif
[11:50] <holycow> welly, i'm not sure about winners ics stuff, i would never imagine using such a thing, puttin winners on the net is not a good idea
[11:51] <holycow> in otherwords, i haven't a clue :)
[11:51] <Auriacan> does it work like motif?
[11:51] <Fiyawerx> is there a "best way" to set up a system for a dual boot with xp/ubuntu? i see a lot of articles on how to add ubuntu to a windows system, but I was going to redo the system as a whole, and was wondering what i should plan for
[11:51] <welly> holycow, fair enough.. it's a temporary solution until i get my router up and running
[11:51] <godzero> welly: sounds like a firewall (on win box) issue
[11:52] <hexion> hi!
[11:52] <Seveas> Fiyawerx, easiest is to install windows first
[11:52] <holycow> godzero, excellent guess infact
[11:52] <erUSUL> Auriacan, i never used it but is supsed to be a replacement. anyway motif is now free too
[11:52] <Auriacan> yeah, but i can't seem to install openmotif
[11:52] <Fiyawerx> I've been trying to decide how to partition everything, I can have a partition that both can read/write to, correct?
[11:53] <welly> godzero, nah.. it's turned off at the moment
[11:53] <Fiyawerx> its a 250 gig hard drive, and I can't decide how to split it up
[11:53] <erUSUL> Auriacan, http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/
[11:53] <Seveas> Fiyawerx, yeah, a fat32 partition
[11:53] <hexion> I'm trying to configure kismet under ubuntu... I have to edit kismet.conf but I don't know what's my wireless module... How do I see it? (I've done "lsmod" but I can't see it)
[11:53] <Auriacan> yeah, i have the devel pack, but it won't install
[11:53] <Seveas> Auriacan, did you install it with apt-get?
[11:53] <cyphase> when do you think NTFS support will be good in linux? about the time WinFS comes out?
[11:54] <Auriacan> you can apt-get openmotif?
[11:54] <cyphase> lol
[11:54] <godzero> welly: xp home or pro?
[11:54] <Seveas> cyphase, it will never be good as long as MS won't release the specifications for it
[11:54] <welly> godzero, xp pro
[11:54] <hexion> I'm trying to configure kismet under ubuntu... I have to edit kismet.conf but I don't know what's my wireless module... How do I see it? (I've done "lsmod" but I can't see it)
[11:55] <godzero> there went my theory
[11:55] <welly> lol
[11:55] <LightVision> any ops here?
[11:55] <Seveas> LightVision, yes, why?
[11:55] <Stark> Hey
[11:55] <Stark> Could someone help me out?
[11:55] <glDaher> I was just upgrading to breezy, with apt-get dist-upgrade ... my sources.lst was edited... but I get an error...  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:55] <glDaher> something about kdevelop-data ... etc
[11:55] <emile> hexion: follow the wiki on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary?highlight=%28kismet%29
[11:56] <godzero> does your linux box get a ip addr from dhcp?
[11:56] <Seveas> !tell Stark about anyone
[11:56] <hexion> ok
[11:56] <lazy> why cant totem player play anything in ubuntu 5.10 ?
[11:56] <hexion> thanks emile
[11:57] <lazy> can anyone help me ?
[11:57] <Stark> I installed Ubuntu yesterday, got to the part where you have to restart your computer, and even got to GRUB, but when I try to start Ubuntu, it displays up to "boot", then and underscore and does nothing
[11:57] <Auriacan> Seveas, if you can install openmotif using apt-get please tell me how
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> 5% [11 libdps-dev 322904/375kB 86%]                                                                             1337B/s 8h20m38s
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> haha 1337
[11:57] <lazy> totem wont play nothin
[11:57] <Seveas> libmotif-dev - Open Motif - development files
[11:57] <Seveas> libmotif3 - Open Motif - shared libraries
[11:57] <Stark> What am I supposed to do?
[11:57] <Seveas> ^-- Auriacan
[11:57] <jaku> Stark: an acpi problem?
[11:57] <Auriacan> sweet
[11:57] <Auriacan> thanx
[11:58] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, :>
[11:58] <Stark> I don't know, this would be my first foray into linux
[11:58] <lazy> anyone wanna help me ?
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : its slooooww
[11:58] <Stark> any suggestions would be helpful
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> but leet dude
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> heh
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> lazy : mplayer file.avi
[11:58] <jaku> stark try linux acpi=off or google something like this
[11:59] <Auriacan> Seveas, i can't seem to apt-get those packages
[11:59] <Stark> I can't even start linux, though, when I select it from the boot menu it just freezes
[11:59] <Seveas> !info libmotif3
[11:59] <ubotu> libmotif3: (Open Motif - shared libraries), section multiverse/libs, is extra. Version: 2.2.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1190 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB
[11:59] <Seveas> ah -- enable multiverse
[11:59] <godzero> welly: the win box should look like a router to the linux box, therefor it's best to have it booted first, so lin box can get dhcp
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> if my pc sometimes freezes when using gl2 is it a graphics card overheating? runs @ 57C
[11:59] <glDaher> if stuck during the upgrade, most probably the whole system is ruined, right?
[11:59] <CarlFK> how can I dl podcasts from apple itunes?
[12:00] <jaku> how can I safely disconnect an ipod mini?


[03:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd1cb5184ff04: Spellcheck lximage.rst] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd1cb5184ff04
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[11:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#3676
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 oh i see what happened
 that's not a bot that's a user in charge
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 point is:
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 there is no 'bot' here
 not in any of our chat channels.
 you are speaking to folks to complain at
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[20:59] <Luke> Hi
[20:59] <Luke> Anyone here?
[21:00] <Guest90969> Can anyone help me with the installation of gnome Ubuntu
[21:01] <Guest90969> Pls


[18:51] <scootergrisen> On the login screen i can select sessions like "Xfce Session". Where is that string translated?
[18:53] <diogenes_> scootergrisen, afaik that depends on login manager (aka lightdm, slim, gdm, sddm, etc.)
[18:53] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/tree/xfce.desktop.in
[18:54] <brainwash> that one is translated via http://www.xfce.org/getinvolved/translation
[18:57] <brainwash> the installed file is /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop
[18:57] <scootergrisen> its lightdm i think
[18:59] <scootergrisen> Ok so its not enough to have the strings in the po files to see it.
[19:00] <scootergrisen> Are .desktop files suppose to be used for that?
[19:00] <brainwash> not for something like a desktop file
[19:00] <brainwash> why wouldn't they?
[19:00] <scootergrisen> Are .desktop files not only for application shortcuts in the application menu?
[19:01] <brainwash> they are used for autostart too
[19:06] <friendlyGoat> hello, this ain't much of a big deal but i'd still like to ask about it. how do i make my login screen show up on only one of my displays?
[19:07] <friendlyGoat> when im logging in it makes the login prompt appear on my laptop screen whch is closed instead of on my television which is where i want it if you get what i mean
[19:08] <friendlyGoat> i'd also like to ask how to fix my GRUB menu, my EFI partition moved and i had to reinstall one of my operating systems now grub aint booting first and im not sure what to do
[19:10] <GridCube> friendlyGoat: https://askubuntu.com/questions/234930/choose-lightdm-login-screen-location-in-multi-monitor-setup
[19:10] <friendlyGoat> havent loaded it yet but thanks in advance!
[19:11] <GridCube> friendlyGoat: https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/
[19:11] <friendlyGoat> thanks for that too, this has been a huge bother for me
[19:11] <GridCube> though, proably doing grub-update should fix it
[19:12] <GridCube> but boot-repair does a lot of things visually so it helps a lot
[19:16] <scootergrisen> Xubuntu is not a desktop environment is it?
[19:16] <scootergrisen> In xubuntu i can choose between two session. Xfce Session and Xubuntu Session.
[19:17] <brainwash> it does not say desktop environment
[19:17] <brainwash> it says "session"
[19:18] <brainwash> xubuntu offers a customized xfce session
[19:19] <scootergrisen> But the comment in xubuntu.desktop says "Use this session to run Xubuntu as your desktop environment"
[19:21] <brainwash> copy pasted from Comment=Use this session to run Xfce as your desktop environment
[19:22] <scootergrisen> Thats the xfce.desktop file i meant the xubuntu.desktop file
[19:23] <brainwash> yes
[19:23] <scootergrisen> I just ask if it is corret to call xubuntu a desktop environment
[19:23] <brainwash> the string in xubuntu.desktop was basically just copied/modified
[19:24] <scootergrisen> Yes it seems that way
[19:24] <brainwash> https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/usr/share/xsessions/xubuntu.desktop
[19:25] <brainwash> many years ago it used to be Comment=Use this session to boot into Xubuntu
[19:27] <brainwash> personally, I would bother with this
[19:31] <scootergrisen> How come files like /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop does not contain translations but in the Xfce menu pidgin is translation. Where are the translated strings at?
[19:34] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LangpacksDesktopfiles
[19:37] <brainwash> scootergrisen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LangpacksDesktopfiles
[19:57] <scootergrisen> brainwash, i read a bit of it but still can figure out there the translated strings are
[20:34] <scootergrisen> bye for now and thanks for all the fish
[21:37] <xubuntu70i> JOIN
[21:37] <xubuntu70i> can anyone read me?
[21:39] <Bashing-om> xubuntu70i: Yup :)


[17:51] <umpirsky> Hi developers. I have a simple question regarding PyGTK, Threads and WebKit. In my PyGTK app, on button click I need to fetch some html (can take some time) and show it in new window. While fetching html, I want to keep GUI responsive, so I decided to do it in separate thread. I use WebKit to render html. The problem is I get empty page in WebView when it is in separated thread. Is it because webkit is not thread-safe. Is


[00:54] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-July/000247.html  - Wild_Man want to post?
[01:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: will add it to the Gdoc to-do :)
[01:20] <Wild_Man> guiverc, yes please do it, I have an unexpected emergency and I am getting ready to leave town
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Thanks for the warning ^ we can tug-a-way in the forum :P
[01:22] <Wild_Man> I am packing, I am not leaving until six in the morning, I am to tired tonight
[01:22] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, hahaha
[01:23] <guiverc> no probs & thanks Wild_Man   (I've now finished walking the dog)
[01:27] <guiverc> thanks also Bashing-om - hadn't thought of UWN !  :(
[01:28] <guiverc> hope the best for emergency Wild_Man
[01:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I had been awaiting the notice :) . would have checked the "lists" tomorrow :P
[01:30] <guiverc> yeah I was too (started watching for it last night) - I'm now zombie-like half-asleep (is somewhat like my normal state I suspect though)
[01:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I imagine by now, you have had a long day.
[01:34] <guiverc> thankfully I fell asleep (on my bed) so i'm not as bad as that may have sounded..
[01:34] <Wild_Man> Thanks guiverc, these days I am always tired, it is just a matter of degrees of tiredness
[01:36] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Since I have curtailed my nicoteen drug habit that tiredness level has dropped for me :)
[01:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, :)
[01:39] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8703&preview=true  if you'd like to check, though I'm happy with your "please do it" Wild_Man if you can't
[01:40] <guiverc> oops.. i didn't delete my working url (@ bottom) - fixing
[01:42] <guiverc> nah stuffed it somehow.. re-working.
[01:44] <guiverc> any complaints with my publishing; speak now or forever hold...
[01:48] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/07/19/ubuntu-18-10/
[01:50] <krytarik> The URL seems suspicious.. >_>
[01:51] <guiverc> yes.. i hadn't noticed (it's too short) looking
[01:52] <guiverc> I don't know if I can edit/change it; I could 'trash' & re-create
[01:52] <krytarik> Nah, you can just edit the 'slug'
[01:53] <guiverc> wanna quickly tell me how?
[01:53] <guiverc> (i'm hoping to beat planet etc feeds) as they'll point wrong if grab current
[01:54] <krytarik> In the post editor, right at the top.
[01:54] <krytarik> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/07/19/ubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-end-of-life-reached-on-july-19-2018/ - prior art would be this.
[01:54] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/07/19/ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-end-of-life-reached-on-july-18-2019/
[01:55] <guiverc> :)  thanks krytarik !!!!!
[01:55] <krytarik> Yay! \o/
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[03:21] <krytarik> guiverc: Oh, after having gotten the feed item in my mail, I only now noticed that you missed the 't' at the "ubuntu-announce mailing list" link. >_<
[03:34] <guiverc> my attention to detail is outstanding isn't it... sorry;  i'll ignore it in case i stuff something else with my wonderful mouse-control..
[06:07] <guiverc> fyi: i fixed ^ (eventually)
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[23:46] <Unit193> I mean, Ubuntu went EOL so they all did! :D


[08:57] <lool> ojn: Eh too bad you missed the give away
[12:39] <saeed__> lool
[13:01] <lool> saeed__: Yup
[13:04] <saeed__> how can cross build kernel package for dove?
[13:05] <saeed__> I tried: CROSS_COMPILE=arm-marvell-linux-gnueabi- CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 fakeroot make-kpkg --arch arm --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers  --cross_compile -
[13:19] <lool> Don't use make-kpkg
[13:20] <lool> saeed__: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/
[13:20] <lool> saeed__: debuild/dpkg-buildpackage -e CROSS_COMPILE=arm-marvell-linux-gnueabi- should work
[13:22] <lool> saeed__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[13:22] <lool> saeed__: Or http://idlethread.blogspot.com/2009/01/recipe-of-day-cross-compiling-armel.html
[14:58] <Stskeeps> hmm, Mesa 7.6, anyone know of any plans to enable the GLES1/GLES2 part of it and provide packages?
[15:05] <lool> Stskeeps: What for specifically?
[15:05] <lool> I think we dont have userspace using GLES ATM; I think Clutter could use it but there are some bugs
[15:05] <Stskeeps> lool: in this particular case, building against GLES2 headers and then drop in stuff like SGX
[15:06] <lool> Right
[15:06] <Stskeeps> (i'm aware there's some potential pitfalls in that)
[15:07] <lool> I dont think we enable GLES support in mesa in karmic but I guess we could next cycle
[15:07] <Stskeeps> :nod:
[15:08] <Stskeeps> then there's also the issue of package naming, like, if it's libgles2-dev and so on :P
[15:09] <lool> Looks like we just need to --enable-egl in a separate build
[15:09] <Stskeeps> yeah, that was my thought
[15:10] <Stskeeps> the effect is being able to do GLES stuff in public and fallback on sw rendering, .. and then be able to drop in GLES libs for your device's chip :P
[15:26] <thopiekar> hi
[15:26] <thopiekar> is there howto install ubuntu arm on a Nokia Internet Tablet?
[15:27] <Meiz_webchat> thopiekar: just create rootfs with rootstock and install Mer hw-support stuff :)
[15:27] <thopiekar> thanks, Meiz_webchat
[15:41] <thopiekar> does anyone of you know how large the size of the rootfs should be to install it on the flash memory?
[16:47] <thopiekar> hmm I wanted to create now a rootfs with rootstock but it uses jaunty..
[16:47] <thopiekar> I created myself a karmic chroot
[16:47] <thopiekar> with kubuntu-netbook installed..
[16:48] <thopiekar> is there a way to get that chroot as a rootfs?
[20:11] <Martyn> ojn : where did ARM/Freescale hand out the pegatron netbooks?
[22:33] <beyossi> hi, what is the /lib/vfp directory?? , why it is installed on my target? some of my .so files resides there as well as at /lib/ - and they are different. any idea?
[22:36] <roxfan> /vfp is probably for binaries compiled with vfp support
[22:36] <roxfan> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-March/007966.html
[22:38] <roxfan> related<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:44] <beyossi> Thanks. but i didn't understand why it was added?, why all the files are in different size than the same files in /lib or /usr/lib ?
[22:45] <roxfan> probably because they use vfp instructions to speed up floating-point calculation
[22:48] <beyossi> well, on my host, when cross-compiling, my libraries were taken from /lib and /usr/lib, but on the target applications use /lib/vfp , I guess this is a good reason for problems. Is there a recommendation what to use?
[22:53] <roxfan> um, shouldn't you have a separate tree with libs for the target system?
[22:54] <roxfan> you should probably either disable vfp when compiling, or install/crolss-compile vfp libs on the host system...
[22:57] <beyossi> actually, on the host I was used a copy of the target filesystem (using relative symbolic links) and pointing the LIBDIR to either /lib or /usr/lib. But then when executing on the target the application was loading the libs from /lib/vfp...
[22:57] <beyossi> can I be sure that every library installed in /lib or /usr/lib is also installed in vfp ?
[22:58] <roxfan> i think it will fall back to /lib if it's not found in vfp...
[23:01] <beyossi> so i need to define both paths for linking?, is there a way to define it with priorities?. I have to say that this issue sounds not convenient at all. i will try playing with that...
[23:02] <roxfan> maybe try running the program with LD_HWCAP_MASK=0x0 and see if it helps
[23:04] <lool> beyossi: We built two passes of glibc in jaunty
[23:04] <lool> One for vfp and one for non-vfp
[23:04] <lool> The versioning between the two on an installed system is very strict
[23:12] <beyossi> lool: for example, libdl.so.2 is taken from the /lib/vfp library (monitoring using ldd), while the same file name exist at /lib/libdl.so.2 - the libdl.so is at: /usr/lib/libdl.so and it points to ../../lib/libdl.so.2 . so i don't understand why the program is using /lib/vfp
[23:20] <roxfan> black magic
[23:21] <roxfan> i guess ld is checking hwcaps and adding /vfp to search path if hardware supports it
[23:23] <beyossi> but as far as I understand, a program will look for libdl.so (which exists only once) and not directly to libdl.so.2, and my libdl.so points to a specific place
[23:27] <beyossi> btw, I renamed library /lib/vfp to /lib/vfp2 and then everything points back to the 'old places' - latter on I will try building  my entire target with the vfp
[23:27] <beyossi> Thanks for your help
[23:32] <beyossi> Another issue I face is related to executing QT on my beagleboard which has a PowerVR GPU. after executing the app it fails with: "powervr: driver not found", does anybody know what drivers it looks for exactly?, anyway to debug it?


[03:10] <Burgundavia> anybody alive?
[03:12] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: I have braindumped a bunch of stuff on the beta page
[03:12] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: put a link in the topic
[06:29] <poningru> nixternal: ping
[06:30] <poningru> take a look at feisty beta release page
[06:30] <poningru> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/
[06:30] <poningru> someone messed around with it I think
[06:30] <poningru> I think they copied herd 4 ubuntu
[06:35] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta?action=diff
[06:37] <poningru> whatever
[06:41] <poningru> GAAAAAh
[06:44] <poningru> nixternal: did you see that?
[06:44] <poningru> your's was better
[06:44] <poningru> the other one seemed to be just herd 4
[06:44] <nixternal> what?
[06:44] <nixternal> I missed something
[06:46] <poningru> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/
[06:46] <poningru> seem to be just herd 4
[06:46] <poningru> as opposed to your really cool one
[06:46] <poningru> like the oem thing is gone
[06:48] <nixternal> you guys quit stealing my mojo :)
[06:48] <nixternal> knock them shadows down a bit
[06:48] <nixternal> is that 8 8 15 80
[06:49] <nixternal> 2 2 4 50 is the best drop shadow, very clean and yet gives that floating appearance
[08:00] <Burgundavia> beuno: you around?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> ok, need somebody to finish up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta
[08:06] <Burgundavia> I need to head to bed, otherwise I would do it
[08:06] <rjian> hello Burgundavia
[08:07] <Burgundavia> hey rjian, long time no see
[08:07] <rjian> just around hehe creating articles hehe
[08:08] <rjian> Burgundavia: u bz ? hehe
[08:27] <MenZa> :o
[08:27] <MenZa> Beta :o
[11:49] <mindspin> what is the email addy for the fridge team?
[03:25] <meatballhat> jenda: ping!
[03:27] <jenda> meatballhat: pong!
[03:27] <meatballhat> jenda: isn't April 1st a Sunday??
[03:27] <jenda> yep
[03:27] <meatballhat> :D   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
[03:28] <jenda> Yes... I know...
[03:28] <jenda> aha
[03:28] <jenda> right :)
[03:28] <jenda> That's an April fool's joke, meatballhat ;)
[03:28] <jenda> (fixed)
[03:29] <meatballhat> then I fell for it  ;-)
[03:29] <meatballhat> Christina Armstrong has left Canonical???   whaa?
[03:31] <jenda> yep
[03:31] <beuno> mornin'
[03:32] <jenda> mornin' ;)
[03:32] <beuno> I've just sent an email to the mailing list, but it looks like we're doing duplicate work:
[03:32] <beuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta
[03:32] <beuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyBetaAnnouncement
[03:32] <beuno> and neither is finished for today, the beta release date  :(
 Christina Armstrong has left Canonical???   whaa?  ...  <jenda> yep .... and yet she's still responding to email with her canonical.com addy?   ( /me = doesn't like ghosts and/or goblins)
[03:38] <jenda> meatballhat: read her mail ;)
[03:40] <meatballhat> jenda: you and your "reading"
[03:40] <jenda> :)
[03:40] <jenda> meatballhat: within a few years, it'll likely be my job.
[03:40] <jenda> (to read)
[03:42] <meatballhat> jenda: that's my wife's dream job ...  mine is to listen to music ...   :P
[03:42] <jenda> I must say I don't envy shipit...
[03:42] <meatballhat> oh boy!
[03:42] <jenda> hehe
[03:43] <jenda> And what's worse - I pay for this from my own money ;)
[03:43] <jenda> (although most people understood the concept of 'voluntary donation' quite well, so I should strike pretty close to even in the end)
[03:44] <crimsun> what use is money if it's not spent on voluntary efforts?
[03:57] <jenda> crimsun++ ;)
[04:03] <meatballhat> +1 from /me, too  :D
[07:25] <poningru> gaaah
[07:25] <poningru> that armstrong person did not respond to like 20 of my emails
[07:26] <poningru> and tony isnt here so I can bitch at him
[07:28] <Burgwork> poningru: she is responding the mailing list
[07:28] <Burgwork> and she has been very busy with the website fresh
[07:28] <Burgwork> refresh
[07:29] <poningru> WTH
[07:29] <poningru> I thought matt was the only guy working on that
[07:30] <poningru> Burgwork: I basically proposed what tony said, like a while ago and sent it like 20 times to jono, and christina
[07:30] <poningru> I even wrote up a spec on it
[07:30] <Burgwork> right
[07:30] <poningru> but nope
[07:30] <poningru> zero response from her
[07:30] <Burgwork> let me raise it with her
[07:30] <Burgwork> see what happened
[07:30] <poningru> now I dont know who this new person is
[07:31] <poningru> chris kenyon
[07:32] <Burgwork> he is not new
[07:32] <poningru> or never mind
[07:32] <poningru> just got an email from armstrong
[07:33] <Burgwork> excellent
[07:33] <poningru> ah its about me asking her to attend the meeting
[07:34] <poningru> and she basically saying no since she is leaving
[07:34] <Burgwork> ahh
[07:35] <poningru> is chris kenyon at all in IRC?
[07:38] <poningru> what is up with free software companies hiring people who do not want to work with community??
[07:38] <poningru> canonical, mofo all same
[07:38] <adamant1988> poningru: I'm sure they're busy.
[07:39] <poningru> adamant1988: well then let me FRACKING HELP
[07:39] <adamant1988> You have to remember, they're not paid to do the stuff you and I do, they have added responsibilities.
[07:39] <poningru> yeah then let me take some of those on
[07:39] <poningru> instead of not responding to my emails, tell me how I can help
[07:39] <adamant1988> They'll do it when they can I'm sure;
[07:40] <poningru> like I had to bitch and moan at matt for about a year before he let me start working on website
[07:40] <poningru> and at mofo
[07:40] <poningru> marketing SUCKS
[07:40] <poningru> the girl who is there supposedly running the college campaign
[07:40] <poningru> wont even respond to my emails regarding using freeculture
[07:41] <adamant1988> freeculture?
[07:41] <poningru> freeculture.org
[07:41] <poningru> its a international student organization
[07:41] <poningru> about free software, CC, better intellectual property
[07:42] <adamant1988> Gee, I can't help but wonder why you would want to use it then.
[07:42] <poningru> and we would love to help out in marketing of firefox on college campuses
[07:43] <poningru> we are not asking for any fees or anything
[07:43] <poningru> we just wanna help
[07:43] <poningru> but ofcourse the lady does not respond to any of my emails
[07:43] <adamant1988> What do you know about the college demographic?
[07:43] <poningru> I sent 2 and said frack this
[07:43] <adamant1988> Because I know if *I* was going to piggyback any services at all to get to them, I'd go through FaceBook,.
[07:43] <poningru> apart from being one and actually doing tons of these kinds of campaigns?
[07:44] <adamant1988> poningru: And have you had any documented successes?
[07:44] <poningru> ...
[07:44] <poningru> defectivebydesign.org
[07:44] <adamant1988> Being a member of a demographic can make it nearly impossible to be objective when analyzing it.
[07:44] <poningru> publicaccesstoresearch.org
[07:44] <poningru> trust me we have done tons of marketing campaigns
[07:45] <poningru> we did a crap load for cc back in the day
[07:45] <poningru> why do you think fsf, pk, etc. all want to use us?
[07:45] <adamant1988> Do they want to, or did you just get them to?
[07:45] <poningru> no they come to us
[07:46] <poningru> in the case of defectivebydesign.org
[07:46] <poningru> they came to us
[07:46] <adamant1988> uh huh, well, Defective by design looks like a rediculous scare tactic.
[07:46] <adamant1988> Oh sorry, probably should have sugar coated that.
[07:47] <poningru> yeah thats it dude
[07:47] <adamant1988> the defectivebydesign.org website is incredibly slanted and biased, I wouldn't trust it
[07:47] <poningru> its cool that you wanna try to knock me down or whatever dude...
[07:47] <adamant1988> Feel free to laugh, I'm being serious.
[07:48] <poningru> but dont try to do that with established marketing campaigns
[07:48] <adamant1988> Yeah, established scare tactics.  Awesome.
[07:48] <poningru> but yeah you need some lessons in belittling someone too it seems
[07:48] <adamant1988> I'm not trying to.
[07:48] <poningru> uh... sure if you say so
[07:49] <poningru> btw we should probably take this to non-ubuntu channel
[07:49] <poningru> this is getting non-soc fast
[07:49] <adamant1988> I'm making a point, your organizations "campaign" services should not be utilized for the marketing team.
[07:49] <poningru> hooray for not belittling someone
[07:49] <poningru> like I said you need lessons in that
[07:50] <adamant1988> I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm a member of your "college demographic" too, and frankly none of these sites look like something I would trust or visit more than once.
[07:50] <adamant1988> Yes, highly effective.
[07:50] <poningru> adamant1988: you are not understanding the campaign
[07:51] <poningru> these websites are not meant to be entirely used for the convincing people to do anything
[07:51] <adamant1988> I'm even a member of *the* target audience, I'm an informed open-source advocate, and the dbd.org site looks like a rediculous attempt to slant my opinion
[07:51] <poningru> its the physical talking that is the campaign
[07:52] <poningru> also keep in mind we cant claim credit for the hazard suits awesomeness
[07:52] <poningru> that was all fsf
[07:52] <adamant1988> Now, I like the letter to Steve Jobs and such, but I don't think it's effective.
[07:53] <poningru> well duh... its not meant to be effective against steve jobs
[07:53] <poningru> its meant to show the hypocrisy in what he is saying
[07:53] <poningru> to other people
[07:53] <adamant1988> Ok, do you have traffic counts?
[07:53] <adamant1988> I want to see what kind of exposure the site gets.
[07:54] <poningru> traffic counts?
[07:54] <poningru> adamant1988: you still dont understand
[07:54] <adamant1988> If the physical talking is your campaign, then it wasn't smart to try to sway me with the url.
[07:54] <poningru> that site is not meant to be a frontend for convincing people
[07:54] <poningru> adamant1988: sure it was
[07:55] <poningru> cause you are supposed to be a marketer
[07:55] <poningru> a 'informed open-source advocate'
[07:55] <poningru> s/a/an
[07:55] <adamant1988> Which I am, so if you're going to give me the URL and then tell me "Oh that doesn't matter" then what was the point?
[07:56] <poningru> no it doesnt matter to the end-user who we are trying to reach
[07:56] <poningru> that url matters to other marketers
[07:56] <adamant1988> I wouldn't use it.
[07:56] <poningru> i...c
[07:56] <adamant1988> It's heavily biased, if I was going to use some kind of service for my material, I would pick an objective one.
[07:57] <poningru> dude...
[07:57] <poningru> objectivity in marketing?
[07:57] <poningru> are you sure?
[07:57] <adamant1988> poningru: I'm a firm believe in data, I've had success with marketing tactics that don't require me to say something that's not true, or slant the evidence in my favor.
[07:58] <adamant1988> If I can't market something on it's own merits, it's not worth marketing.
[07:58] <poningru> I never said any of those
[07:58] <poningru> you just present all the good arguments of one side
[07:59] <adamant1988> Instead of preaching "DRM is Evil" you should be saying "This is why non-DRM is better" and be clear and concise as to why.
[07:59] <poningru> uh... no dude
[07:59] <poningru> thats not how you are supposed to be doing it
[07:59] <poningru> while that should take up a small portion of your points
[07:59] <poningru> it should not be the majority
[08:00] <poningru> you are still thinking the build em and they will come philosophy
[08:00] <adamant1988> No, I'm thinking in the "I'd rather not slant my information" philosophy.
[08:00] <poningru> no one is slanting any information
[08:01] <adamant1988> ... So you call presenting a one sided argument NOT slanting?
[08:01] <poningru> what information is being 'slanted'
[08:01] <adamant1988> No you're right, there is absolutely NO bias there at all.
[08:01] <poningru> ...
[08:02] <poningru> read through my conversation
[08:02] <poningru> I can just copy and paste my statements from above
[08:02] <adamant1988> I bet your "Physical conversations" are just as heavily biased.
[08:02] <adamant1988> If not more.
[08:02] <adamant1988> Have you bothered to watch any competitive adverts lately?
[08:03] <poningru> explain
[08:03] <poningru> if you are telling me that these competitive advertz dont have any bias and present 'information'
[08:03] <poningru> but no go ahead
[08:04] <poningru> explain to me your marketing idea then dude
[08:04] <adamant1988> They present accurate information, just look at ANY Red Hat adverts.
[08:04] <poningru> you present all the information and let the user decide?
[08:04] <adamant1988> poningru: You present the information in the appropriate format, just don't slant it.
[08:05] <beuno> I have to agree with poningru, marketing isn't about presenting the information and letting the users decide, that only works for a small fraction of users
[08:05] <poningru> so you say things like 'linux doesnt have any desktop market share'
[08:05] <poningru> ??
[08:05] <adamant1988> poningru: Or you say "Linux has a rapidly growing market share"
[08:05] <adamant1988> Both are true.
[08:06] <poningru> adamant1988: EXACTLY
[08:06] <poningru> but thats slanting according to you
[08:06] <poningru> and should not be done
[08:06] <adamant1988> No, slanting is not presenting the other side at all.
[08:06] <poningru> WTF
[08:06] <poningru> you didnt present the other side there
[08:06] <poningru> you said it has a rapidly growing market share
[08:06] <poningru> didnt say anything about current market share
[08:07] <adamant1988> If I was going to make an advert out of that, I would show the growth
[08:07] <poningru> yes exactly
[08:07] <poningru> you emphasis the growth, and take attention away from the fact that right now it doesnt have any
[08:08] <adamant1988> Ok, so I would show the growth, I would show a statistic in a form where it was readable/entertaining.   But you don't lie about the competitors.
[08:08] <poningru> and I guess I can see how some people see this as 'slant' but thats what marketing is
[08:08] <adamant1988> "DRM is evil!"
[08:08] <adamant1988> Ok, DRM is NOT evil, and saying so is a blatant attempt to bias me.
[08:08] <poningru> adamant1988: how is that false?
[08:09] <poningru> drm is evil
[08:09] <adamant1988> hardly, DRM is an anti-theft device on media to prevent unauthorized distribution according to the law.  The fact that we disagree does not make it evil, it CAN make it unethical though.
[08:09] <poningru> lol
[08:10] <adamant1988> I agree, DRM is unethical, but hardly Evil.
[08:10] <adamant1988> I don't think Satan himself has had a hand in it.
[08:10] <poningru> evil == marketing speak for unethical
[08:10] <adamant1988> And *that* is what I'm talking about.
[08:11] <poningru> brb
[08:12] <poningru> what is '*that*'?
[08:13] <poningru> sorry brb we have a person here to fix the dishwasher
[08:14] <adamant1988> Using a word substitute that warps what you're saying into a different beast.
[08:15] <adamant1988> "Unethical
[08:15] <adamant1988> Not ethical; not in accordance with the standards followed in a business or profession."
[08:16] <adamant1988> http://www.answers.com/Evil
[08:18] <adamant1988> The differences are pretty clear.  Of course obviously there is some overlap since you like the FSF and probably agree with RMS on most of his points.
[08:30] <poningru> no dude the difference is not that clear in an end user's view point
[08:30] <poningru> sorry the guy just left
[08:30] <poningru> anyway
[08:30] <adamant1988> Ask anyone what they associate with the word Evil, and I bet you you'll find the difference is even greater.
[08:31] <poningru> adamant1988: the entire point of marketing is to show your product as really good
[08:31] <poningru> without seeming ape-shit crazy
[08:31] <adamant1988> poningru: Then show your product as good without calling the otherone on things that aren't true.
[08:31] <poningru> clearly RMS does not fullfill this criterion
[08:31] <poningru> adamant1988: thats a given
[08:31] <adamant1988> "DRM is Evil" is blatantly opinionated.  "DRM is a violation of your consumer rights" is a much more true statement.
[08:32] <poningru> so you are saying you shouldnt have opinions in them?
[08:32] <poningru> lol
[08:32] <adamant1988> Well, opinionated was the wrong word I suppose.
[08:32] <adamant1988> But I would keep opinions as far from it as possible.
[08:33] <adamant1988> But, I can understand why the FSF would utilize your services.
[08:38] <poningru> so what kinda things shouldnt be in advertz?
[08:38] <poningru> you already said slanting is ok
[08:38] <poningru> and opinions are allowed
[08:38] <poningru> so...
[08:38] <poningru> what isnt allowed?
[08:39] <poningru> blatantly lieing? we agree on that
[08:39] <adamant1988> I supposed the extremes of slanting and opinionated/biased advertisind?
[08:39] <poningru> any sort of lying is wrong
[08:39] <adamant1988> advertising*
[08:39] <poningru> so where do you draw the line? and why is your line the one that matters?
[08:40] <adamant1988> Calling something evil is a bit extreme, and probably not as effective as you would like it to be.
[08:40] <poningru> actually dude its really effective I would say
[08:40] <poningru> you just have to do it without making yourself seem complete ape-shit crazy
[08:40] <adamant1988> poningru: Do a little study for yourself, tell 10 people that DRM is evil, and tell the other 10 that it's a violation of their consumer rights.
[08:40] <adamant1988> I bet the latter is more effective.
[08:41] <poningru> adamant1988: I would much rather tell them both
[08:41] <poningru> adamant1988: you honestly dont think nixternal here is gonna go and tell someone "DRM IS EVIL" and just walk away do you?
[08:41] <adamant1988> I avoid using such extremes, and I've had good success locally educating people about DRM.
[08:41] <nixternal> no, I am going to punch them in the face before I walk away :)
[08:42] <poningru> lol
[08:42] <beuno> finally some sense...
[08:42] <adamant1988> poningru: if your goal is to make them think DRM is evil, then you're going to keep pushing that idea.
[08:43] <adamant1988> By the time you're finished they'll think of the RIAA leadership as relatives of Hitler.
[08:43] <poningru> they will?
[08:43] <poningru> damn my skillz amaze even me
[08:43] <nixternal> RIAA is worse than Hitler
[08:43] <adamant1988> it was an example.
[08:43] <poningru> I didnt know i had such awesome skillz
[08:43] <beuno> mainly because hitler is dead
[08:44] <nixternal> I tell people at church that DRM is the anti-christ and they need to stear clear of it. I am going to find a verse eventually in the Bible that will back that up :)
[08:44] <mindspin> sure you will
[08:44] <adamant1988> nixternal: Just add it in there somewhere, they'll never notice
[08:44] <beuno> wikibible!
[08:45] <adamant1988> I bet the only one who's actually really read the thing is the preacher.
[08:45] <nixternal> hehe
[08:45] <nixternal> dude, the Bible is copyrighted
[08:46] <nixternal> that is nuts
[08:46] <adamant1988> "And Jesus said unto his followers, do not download mp3s with DRM, for they are evil and unjust"
[08:46] <nixternal> no, Jesus said "don't download mp3's period!"
[08:46] <adamant1988> pfft I download Mp3s.
[08:46] <nixternal> purchase your music, rip it to ogg (vorbis, or whatever), and trade with thy neighbor
[08:47] <nixternal> I don't download music
[08:47] <adamant1988> Meh, all my friends use the standard.  I download classical all the time.
[08:47] <adamant1988> I use Classical when I'm writing and stuff, and it's obviously not protected by copyright anymore, so no DMCA violations for me
[08:48] <poningru> actually dude
[08:48] <poningru> the performances are copyrighted
[08:48] <crimsun> nixternal: don't you mean "translations are copyrighted"?
[08:48] <adamant1988> I really need to start getting my friends using vorbis.
[08:48] <poningru> even though the sheet music isnt
[08:48] <nixternal> with Last.fm, I don't have to download anymore
[08:48] <nixternal> crimsun: yes :)
[08:48] <nixternal> but you know what I mean ;p
[08:49] <nixternal> man, this guy follows me everywhere
[08:49] <adamant1988> poningru: Hrmm, oh well, guess I need to stop using google to find the stuff :(
[08:49] <nixternal> Google is the devil!
[08:49] <poningru> adamant1988: find british royal orchestra's performances
[08:49] <poningru> they are pd
[08:50] <nixternal> downloading mp3s, movies, office, xp, vista, or whatever, is the life of a MySpacetard
[08:50] <crimsun> nixternal's surfing myspace using ie7 on vista as we type
[08:50] <nixternal> I do not condone it, do not enjoy it, and actually when I hear someone at school talk about their MySpace friends like they are real, I beat them up ;p
[08:51] <nixternal> hahaha crimsun, I am waiting for someone to blog something like that :)
[08:51] <nixternal> crimsun: actually, imbrandon is such a Windows junky, he runs Kubuntu with a Vista theme and actually created the ever so popular Royal theme for KDE and KBFX or whatever it is called
[08:52] <nixternal> My KDE theme screams KDE. I jsut recently switched from Plastik to QtCurve, but kept the inverted look, and even use the default KDE colors, with a semi transparent kicker, and a picture of Cabo San Lucas as my wallpaper
[08:53] <adamant1988> nixternal: EEWWWW KDE USZR!!!
[08:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[08:53] <poningru> oh come on
[08:53] <poningru> those are fun
[08:54] <adamant1988> No, Vi vs Emacs arguments are better
[08:56] <nixternal> Kate FTW!
[08:56] <nixternal> I use emacs when running tty1-6, and I use Kate when I am in the GUI
[08:56] <beuno> Ninjas vs Pirates!
[08:57] <nixternal> that is what I just picked
[08:57] <nixternal> haha
[08:59] <beuno> it's hard not to
[10:27] <beuno> Burgwork: I've been a bit disconnected from UWN, but I'm getting it up to speed in the weekend, it's still going out sunday
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: won't be able to help with UWN, maybe tomorrow
[10:27] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: tomorrow works too  :D
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, congrats on memberstip
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> ship*
[10:28] <beuno> thanks!  and thanks for the support
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[10:30] <Burgwork> beuno: sounds good
[10:30] <Burgwork> I have the whole weekend free, so I will work on it on Saturday
[10:30] <beuno> great, so we'll all be available
[10:31] <beuno> jenda has been working to get the UWN exposed on ubuntu's front page!


[11:07] <lool> slangasek: (I bet you're subscribed to the page, but I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseManifest to use "armel+omap" instead of "armel+OMAP3")
[12:03] <pmcenery> Hi release managers... I've filed an exception sync request this morning. Wondered what the next stage is to get this included in lucid. bug #558946
[12:17] <ttx> pmcenery: the next stage is wait for the exception to granted/denied.
[12:18] <pmcenery> ttx: Thank you. Do I need a MOTU to support the request?
[12:18] <ttx> pmcenery: if the exception is granted, yes
[12:19] <ttx> pmcenery: but the motu-release person that decides on the FFe would probably also ack the request
[12:20] <pmcenery> ttx: Thanks. I'll hang out there to see if I can entice someone to take a look at it.
[15:19] <mhall119> good morning
[15:19] <mhall119> I'd like to ask the ubuntu-release team to consider qimo-wallpaper and qimo-session for an FFe
[15:20] <ScottK> mhall119: If you can find an archive admin who has time and interest to process through New, it should be easy (I don't have time).
[15:20] <mhall119> ScottK: what do you mean "process through New"?
[15:22] <ScottK> mhall119: The archive administrators (members of the LP team ~ubuntu-archive) give the packages the final checks before they enter the archive for technical correctness and proper licensing.  It can be fairly time intensive.  Lack of time to do it is one of the main reasons we have a cutoff date for new packages.
[15:22] <mhall119> jdstrand: is that something you can do?
[15:24] <nigelb> mhall119, catch one of these folks https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members
[15:25] <mhall119> man nigelb, you are everywhere!
[15:25] <nigelb> mhall119, hehe :)
[15:26] <mhall119> well jdstrand is on the list
[15:26] <mhall119> I'll wait to hear from him, since he's already been helping me with these packages
[15:27] <nigelb> I was about to suggest that :)
[15:32] <jdstrand> mhall119, ScottK: it is something I can do, if the FFe is granted. I looked at these once before and the necessary changes were made in revu
[15:32] <ScottK> mhall119: What bug number(s)?
[15:33] <mhall119> Bug 522720, 522729 and 522731
[15:34] <ScottK> OK.  Give me a few minutes to finish something else and I'll have a look.
[15:34] <mhall119> thank you
[15:44] <slangasek> lool: sounds good, thanks
[16:01] <ScottK> mhall119: All approved.
[16:02] <mhall119> thanks ScottK
[16:02] <ScottK> mhall119: You're welcome.  Thanks for working to bring this into Ubuntu.
[16:03]  * mhall119 is one happy developer
[16:07] <mhall119> thanks jdstrand for all your help too
[16:08] <jdstrand> mhall119: sure. are they all uploaded now? I can process them today
[16:08] <cjwatson> would anyone like to look over bug 557003?
[16:10] <mhall119> jdstrand: uploaded where? to archive?
[16:10] <mhall119> I uploaded them to review
[16:10] <mhall119> highvoltage I think uploaded them to archive
[16:11] <jdstrand> mhall119: ok, thanks. and thanks for your contributions :)
[16:12]  * mhall119 is happy to contribute
[18:45] <ogasawara> slangasek: bug 557429 is seeing discussion on the linux-raid mailing list with a possible solution being proposed for mdadm but no patches submitted at the moment
[18:45] <ogasawara> slangasek: http://marc.info/?l=linux-raid&m=127067374402401&w=2 (I also posted this to the bug for reference)
[18:45] <ogasawara> slangasek: I set the milestone to ubuntu-10.04 so it stays on the radar, but I'm not sure how realistic that is given patches have not yet landed
[18:46]  * slangasek nods
[18:47] <slangasek> it's a pretty gross bug, so if it's at all possible, we should get it fixed before final
[18:47] <ScottK> slangasek: I asked about Kubuntu installer issues and the response I got was "That's because amichair's branch isn't merged yet", so hopefully cjwatson's upload today will help.  Also shtylman said he planned on putting some work in on it over the weekend.
[18:48] <ScottK> Once we have an image with today's upload in it, I'll put out a call for testing.
[18:48] <slangasek> ok
[18:49] <slangasek> that's 2.2.16?
[18:51]  * ScottK doesn't see a 2.2.16 yet.
[18:56] <slangasek> sorry, you said "today's upload" - ubiquity 2.2.15 was uploaded 3 days ago, what should I key off for respinning?
[18:57] <ScottK> cjwatson said he was going to upload a new one today.  Not sure when.
[18:58] <slangasek> ok
[18:58] <slangasek> ah, that was his "I'll make sure there is" from the meeting
[18:59] <slangasek> cjwatson: any eta on that installer upload?
[19:14] <cjwatson> slangasek: putting it together now
[19:17] <slangasek> ok, cool
 debconf-updatepo... also known as "I'm feeling unproductive today.
[19:25] <cjwatson>         Please give me a huge diff to check in"
[20:40] <slangasek> lamont: is acorn happy yet?
[20:45] <cjwatson> could somebody NEW parted?
[20:45] <cjwatson> (ubiquity FTBFS due to that)
[20:45] <slangasek> lookin'
[20:45] <lamont> slangasek: it'll hate you until we get diff disks on it, I fear
[20:45] <lamont> I crashed it with spew this morning
[20:45] <lamont> so, um, clementine
[20:46] <slangasek> lamont: ok
[20:46] <lamont> and EOW for me
[20:47] <slangasek> lamont: ok, have a good weekend :)
[20:48] <slangasek> cjwatson: accepted
[22:06] <ScottK> Ubiquity retried (that shoulda have been long enough)
[22:23] <slangasek> boo, fglrx-installer FTBFS on i386, no wonder people are still unhappy
[23:37] <slangasek> oy, where'd antimony go?
[23:37] <elmo> I rebooted it
[23:38] <slangasek> ah, ok


[09:53] <DaSkreech> I Had multiuniverse for a good while :) till I realized i was blind
[09:53] <evert_> can you give me the deb link of the multiverse then pls ?
[09:54] <DaSkreech> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[09:55] <evert_> still no libxine codecs file
[09:55] <evert_> strange
[09:55] <evert_> you are sure ?
[09:55] <DaSkreech> You have that line?
[09:55] <evert_> i added it
[09:55] <evert_> maybay i have it twice now , but that's not worse
[09:56] <DaSkreech> yeh it isn't
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Would sabayon work under kubuntu?
[09:57] <evert_> so no solution ?
[10:04] <MrGideon> Anyone know owt about nvidia?
[10:06] <iNiku> hmm. is there anything like the OS X dashboard for kde?
[10:06] <iNiku> or for linux in general
[10:06] <joscha> does anybody know a tool to capture "video-screenshots"?
[10:07] <DaSkreech> evert_: Find a package from multiverse in your list
[10:09] <evert_> how can i find such a package ? :S
[10:14] <MrGideon> Apparently, the nvidia module doesn't like me.
[10:19] <orgazmo> yo
[10:20] <orgazmo> how do i uninstall the boot meny?
[10:20] <orgazmo> grub i think it was..
[10:20] <ramvi> I'm trying to use xgl. But as I replace the /etc/X11/X (as said in the wiki) I can't get X started again. What should I do?
[10:20] <orgazmo> and what is the root password? i have installed today, and i dont know root pass
[10:26] <orgazmo> anyone?
[10:27] <orgazmo> i havent set an password for root
[10:27] <orgazmo> only installed it
[10:27] <orgazmo> but when i try to do things ,, it asks for rootpassword
[10:27] <OlliK> it's your own password
[10:27] <OlliK> in Kubuntu/ubuntu you don't need to set root password at all
[10:28] <OlliK> you can just use "sudo" and then when it asks password, give your user's password
[10:29] <OlliK> orgazmo: for example you made user "orgazmo" and you use that, just give the password of orgazmo-user when it asks the password
[10:32] <orgazmo> but it asks me for root pass
[10:32] <orgazmo> and my orgazmo password dont work
[10:33] <HymnToLife> orgazmo> it should
[10:33] <orgazmo> strange then.
[10:33] <HymnToLife> are you sure you typed it correctly ?
[10:34] <orgazmo> yes
[10:34] <joscha> does anybody know in which .deb i can find libavformat?
[10:34] <orgazmo> strange.. NOW it worked.. lol
[10:34] <joscha> or libavcodec
[10:34] <orgazmo> how do i remove grub from masterboot
[10:35] <joscha> i have the -dev files but adept can't find the libary debs
[10:35] <orgazmo> i run both winxp and kubuntu on different hd
[10:37] <denis_> Hello
[10:37] <gringo> orgazmo: hmmm If you remove grub you won't be able to boot kubuntu again
[10:38] <orgazmo> ok.. np.. i wanna remove it from that hd, and re install it again later..
[10:39] <roniez> How can i mount from a smb device on startup?
[10:46] <Egnygnok> if I install dapper drake flight 7, will it be easy to upgrade to the new version coming out next month?
[10:49] <Lynoure> Egnygnok: By new version you mean the new release or the new development version?
[10:50] <Egnygnok> release
[10:52] <Lynoure> If things are done sensibly, I assume it is as easy as editing an apt-sources list, so not thought at all.
[10:52] <Lynoure> but this is just a guess
[10:55] <denis_> do you know if there is a channel in french for kubuntu ?
[10:57] <uniq> denis_: #kubuntu-fr
[10:58] <gringo> !fr
[10:58] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:58] <denis_> Merci.
[10:59] <gringo> you're welcome :)
[10:59] <denis_> En fait je connais rien  l'IRC.... la question serait comment on fait pour avoir une liste des channel
[10:59] <denis_> cannaux (pardon) :)
[10:59] <gringo> ^^
[10:59] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in a couple of minutes
[11:02] <Lynoure> Riddell: meeting of developers or something else?
[11:02] <Riddell> Lynoure: of developers, all welcome
[11:03] <Riddell> Lynoure: and I'm making you a developer, if only so we can have more women developers than ubuntu-women :)
[11:05] <Lynoure> Riddell: Women are not _that_ different. At least when it comes to the bits that are usually involved in linux stuff...
[11:05] <Riddell> oh I don't care about that, I just care about being better than ubuntu :)
[11:07] <Lynoure> well, I can promise to keep reporting bugs, it that helps :)
[11:31] <Lynoure> must sleep:(
[11:48] <nox-Hand> Where is the Gentoo equivilant of rc.conf in Kubuntu?
[11:48] <nox-Hand> I wish to change KDM out with Entrance..
[11:55] <aseigo> nox-Hand: it uses the standard sysV init stuff
[11:56] <aseigo> nox-Hand: the easiest way to change your *dm in kubuntu is to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:56] <nox-Hand> aseigo, Meaning 0_o
[11:56] <aseigo> nox-Hand: replace /usr/bin/kdm with the path to your DM of choice
[11:56] <nox-Hand> Thanks =D