[00:31]  * runelind_q upgrades LDS
[00:32] <runelind_q> let's see if it blows up.
[05:22] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:56] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:25]  * Eichu0Ku_
[09:18] <V7> Hey all
[09:19] <V7> How to chroot a user correctly, so it won't move upper path ?
[09:19] <V7> Can't login after adding ChrootDirectory to sshd_config for a user
[09:19] <V7> Now it looks like: https://hastebin.com/xutizafebu.nginx
[09:19] <V7> Ubuntu 18.04
[09:27] <blackflow> V7: can you login with sftp?
[09:28] <blackflow> V7: also, there are certain rules about chrooted directories. check the ssh logs. Namely, the chroot directory must be owned by root. So it can be something like root:user ownership, and 750 mode, ie. not accessible by others.
[09:29] <ducasse> V7: please don't crosspost, it's pretty rude and wastes other people's time
[09:30] <V7> ducasse: No answer there in about 15 mins so
[09:31] <V7> Thank you blackflow. sftp gives: Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
[09:31] <ducasse> V7: you posted in #linux 3-4 minutes before here
[09:31] <blackflow> V7: and what do the server logs say?
[09:32] <V7> ducasse: Please, sorry.
[09:33] <V7> blackflow: YOu're right. Says bad onwership or modes for chroot
[09:33] <blackflow> mmmh-hm.
[09:33] <blackflow> V7: and btw, that will only allow SFTP access. You can't ssh into that account regularly.
[09:34] <V7> You mean, force-command ?
[09:34] <blackflow> if you want to ssh regularly, you'll have to populate the chroot dir with some nodes required for interactive session. see the sshd_config manage on ChrootDirectory directive.
[09:34] <blackflow> V7: yes, force-command.
[09:34] <V7> This is an achievement :)
[09:34] <blackflow> but not just it. like I just said, if you want regular ssh access too, you need some nodes in the chroot dir.
[09:35] <V7> This user mustn't use ssh
[09:35] <V7> shell *
[09:35] <blackflow> V7: it's all explained nicely under the ChrootDirectory option in the sshd_config(5) manpage.
[09:35] <blackflow> V7: in that case, this config should suffice, assuming you have proper ownership like explained earlier.
[09:35] <V7> I'm actually, already reading
[09:36] <V7> Thank you very much blackflow
[09:36] <blackflow> you're welcome.
[09:52] <jamespage> coreycb: I'm thinking we should move to <agent binpkg> -> python{3}-<module> -> <module>-common as a general pattern
[09:52] <jamespage> so all the agent binpkgs do is provide the systemd units
[09:52] <jamespage> osa will like that as well
[11:02] <V7> blackflow: Oh dear.
[11:07] <V7> Now an ownership is okay, isn't it ? https://hastebin.com/ukutogevet.coffeescript
[11:07] <V7> Although, it shows an error while trying to authorize with user
[11:11] <blackflow> V7: it's not. mustn't be writable by anyone other than root
[11:11] <V7> blackflow: somedir or internals ?
[11:11] <blackflow> somedir
[11:12] <V7> So, it's not, isn't it ? 755
[11:12] <blackflow> try 750
[11:13] <tomreyn> "ChrootDirectory /somedir" for a directory located at /home/user/somedir seems incorrect to me.
[11:13] <V7> tomreyn: Why home/somedir ?
[11:14] <V7> Oh, I see, because output, I've sent to you
[11:14] <tomreyn> "ChrootDirectory %h/somedir" would probably work
[11:14] <blackflow> wait, is that /somedir or /.../somedir?
[11:14] <V7> tomreyn: A directory is located in root
[11:14] <blackflow> the ChrootDirectory is path outside of the directory of course
[11:14] <V7> blackflow: It's in root
[11:15] <blackflow> tomreyn: why? just chroot to user's homedir directly.
[11:15] <V7> tomreyn: And output which you've seen there is little modified, so there's actually:
[11:15] <V7> user@ubuntu:/$
[11:16] <tomreyn> blackflow: that probbaly works, too.
[11:16] <blackflow> V7: make /somedir owned by   root:user   and of mode   750
[11:17] <V7> blackflow: The same
[11:17] <blackflow> V7: yeah that error is worded as if you can't have a chroot dir straight under root.  Why not just make it /home/user  ?
[11:17] <V7> /home/user doesn't exist
[11:17] <blackflow> why not
[11:17] <V7> Also, this /somedir is for mounted device
[11:18] <V7> This /somedir musn't be changed
[11:18] <blackflow> well I don't know about chrooting to dirs straight under root, but that error message seems to imply you can't
[11:18] <blackflow> mount it under /mnt/somedir
[11:18] <V7> Okay, I've changed it to /mnt/somedir
[11:21] <V7> Copied stuff and now it's: https://hastebin.com/goriqazime.coffeescript
[11:21] <V7> The same
[11:22] <blackflow> V7: please pastebin the output of ls -la /mnt/somedir  .   I especially want to see  . and ..
[11:23] <tomreyn> and ChrootDirectory is /mnt/somedir now? (i dont think it follows symlinks if you have any)
[11:24] <V7> blackflow: https://hastebin.com/ifaqotosib.rb
[11:25] <blackflow> great, and the ChrootDirectory is /mnt/somedir/   as tomreyn asked?  And you restarted sshd of course?
[11:26] <V7> tomreyn: Yes, sshd_config: https://hastebin.com/wiyoguweso.nginx
[11:26] <blackflow> V7: ugh, why password auth.....   just say no! :)
[11:26] <V7> blackflow: For testing
[11:27] <V7> Yes, sshd was resarted
[11:27] <blackflow> V7: so, you restarted sshd (ssh.service) just to make sure, and it still throws the same mode/ownership error? can you pastebin the error? it lists the path element it dislikes
[11:27] <tomreyn> ls -la would not output this with trailing slashes, so you must have run something else there: https://hastebin.com/ifaqotosib.rb
[11:27] <V7> It says: sshd[1387]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/"
[11:28] <V7> tomreyn: Yes, dir1 and dir2 has data
[11:28] <blackflow> uh, can you pastebin the output of    stat /   ?
[11:29] <V7> blackflow: https://hastebin.com/higetamagi.http
[11:29] <blackflow> how did that happen :)
[11:30] <blackflow> your root is owned by "user"
[11:30] <V7> oh dear
[11:30] <jamespage> coreycb: working ceilometer py3 (needed it for networking-odl)
[11:30] <V7> root is owned.
[11:30] <blackflow> well according to that pastebin, your root (/) is owned by "user"
[11:30] <blackflow> tht ain't gonna work.
[11:30] <V7> of course
[11:30] <V7> I'll reset it now
[11:31] <blackflow> how did that happen.... what's the ownership on other dirs under /  ?
[11:31] <blackflow> like /bin, /usr, /etc, /root/, .... ?
[11:31] <V7> Already reset all stuff
[11:31] <V7> Give it some time to reboot
[11:32] <blackflow> didn't have to reboot tho'
[11:32] <V7> blackflow: This will reset all changes
[11:33] <blackflow> how? btrfs/zfs snapshot?
[11:35] <V7> Just a little tar archive of root
[11:40] <Ussat> just a little tar archive.......
[11:40] <V7> Interesting
[11:40] <V7> I've rebooted and the same. /'s owned by user.
[11:41] <V7> This might be because of /etc/fstab
[11:41] <V7> I'll check this now
[11:47] <V7> blackflow: So, all directoried before chrooted one should be not writeable for a user which should be chrooted ?
[11:47] <V7> s/sdirectoried/directories
[11:48] <V7> So, /dir1/dir2/dir3/dir4 all should be 755 ?
[11:48] <blackflow> it really is all neatly explained in the frist few sentences of the ChrootDirectory option in the manpage :)
[11:48] <V7> If chrooting to dir4
[11:48] <V7> Yes, I've seen
[11:48] <V7> aufs / aufs defaults 0 0
[11:49] <blackflow> "all components of the pathname are root-owned directories which are not writeable by any other user or group".   That's the second sentence of the paragraph.
[11:49] <V7> All components of the pathname must be root-owned directories that are not writable by any other user or group.
[11:49] <V7> All components of pathname
[11:49] <blackflow> so.... ALL compnents of the path..... ROOT owned...... not writeable by any other user or group.
[11:49] <V7> This is what it mean, all units of pathname
[11:49] <V7> means *
[11:49] <blackflow> so that answers your question. :)
[11:50] <blackflow> so, of the chroot dir. NOT the dirs UNDER the chroot.
[11:50] <V7> Yup, thank you very much blackflow
[11:50] <V7> oh
[11:50] <V7> You mean, dir1 can be 777, but dir1/chroot should be 755 ?
[11:50] <blackflow> yes, you can have whatever under it, but naturally, accessible/writable-where-needed to the "user" that's logging into that chroot.
[11:51] <blackflow> V7: it can be anything, under the chroot.
[11:51] <V7> Understood
[11:51] <V7> Hope you'll be okay there blackflow
[11:51] <blackflow> but chroot iself, the directory turned into "/" for that login session (aka the chroot), must be root owned, not writable by anyone else.
[11:51] <blackflow> why wouldn't I :)
[12:14] <HyP3r> Hello I'm searching for Ubuntu server a good tool which is auto remounting samba shares. I have the problem that our Windows File Server sometimes reboots and then my mounted shares are not mounted anymore. Last time I had the problem that the Ubuntu server booted and the Windows File Server was not running. In this case it would be cool if the server is retrying to mount the share consistently
[12:20] <ahasenack> morning
[12:21] <V7> Interesting
[12:21] <HyP3r> lel
[12:21] <V7> Now all works. SSHD is diabled. SFTP works well, but when I'm trying to authorize via SSH it says: "Could not chdir to home directory /mnt/somedir/: No such file or directory"
[12:22] <V7> ssh is diabled *
[12:22] <V7> disabled **
[12:24] <V7> ... but a directory exists: https://hastebin.com/opowupehiy.scala
[12:31] <ahasenack> rbasak: hey, question about git ubuntu merge workflow
[12:31] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: you too are welcomed to chime in :)
[12:31] <rbasak> o/
[12:33] <V7> So ChrootDirectory tries to chroot into $h/chroot rather then /chroot firstly ?
[12:33] <V7> Even if ChrootDirectory /chroot is set
[12:35] <ahasenack> oh, sorry, left you hanging
[12:35] <ahasenack> ok
[12:35] <ahasenack> rbasak: what if our delta includes an upstream version bump?
[12:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: when I'm in the phase where I git reset HEAD^ and deconstruct the update into individual commits,
[12:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: I will have a lot of non-debian/ files and directories in there, reflecting the version bump
[12:36] <ahasenack> should I put all of those under "New upstream version: x.y.z"?
[12:36] <ahasenack> or just leave that particular commit as is, without deconstructing it?
[12:37] <rbasak> Let me check the definitions to give you an answer that's consistent with documentation
[12:39] <ahasenack> I might have used "deconstruct" incorrectly, maybe it's "reconstruct". I'm never sure
[12:39] <ahasenack> it's the first old/debian rebase you do after merge start
[12:42] <rbasak> ahasenack: which numbered step is that at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging/GitWorkflow please?
[12:43] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: reading backlog ...
[12:43] <ahasenack> rbasak: 3.1.3-5
[12:44] <rbasak> Got it, thanks.
[12:45] <rbasak> Your suggestion is right
[12:45] <rbasak> "should I put all of those under "New upstream version: x.y.z"?"
[12:45] <blackflow> V7: "no such file or directory" probably refers to the shell binary which doesn't exist in the chroot
[12:45] <rbasak> Yes - stuff all changes not in debian/ into one commit (assuming 3.0 (quilt))
[12:45] <ahasenack> rbasak: the new upstream version fixed two bugs
[12:45] <cpaelzer> or is it really a version bump  and not a quilt patch?
[12:46] <ahasenack> rbasak: group that all together
[12:46] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: rbasak it's a real version bump, we went ahead of debian
[12:46] <rbasak> Yes
[12:46] <ahasenack>   * New upstream version:
[12:46] <ahasenack>     - Fix database corruption bug when upgrading from samba 4.6 or lower
[12:46] <ahasenack>       AD controllers (LP: #1755057)
[12:46] <ahasenack>     - Fix security issues: CVE-2018-1050 and CVE-2018-1057 (LP: #1755059)
[12:46] <rbasak> Per upload, that is
[12:46] <ahasenack> so stash non-debian diff under that commit?
[12:46] <cpaelzer> so it is not keeping debians tarball and adding a qduilt patch and instead really bumped the versions
[12:46] <rbasak> So for each upload, you may have up to one commit containing all non-debian/ changes
[12:46] <rbasak> Plus the other usual ones
[12:46] <ahasenack> yes, it's a new orig tarball
[12:46] <cpaelzer> yep I'd still group into one
[12:47] <cpaelzer> which shoud match the diff of the two orig tarballs
[12:47] <ahasenack> y
[12:47] <rbasak> You could split it further in theory. It wouldn't cause a problem for the workflow, but it'd be additional work to do and you don't need to go to that depth.
[12:48] <cpaelzer> in case you have it split already ...
[12:48] <rbasak> You'll be throwing away this one commit in the next step anyway
[12:48] <coreycb> jamespage: seems to make sense. is there a package done i can look at?
[12:48] <cpaelzer> like when the bump was made not from tarball but from git
[12:48] <cpaelzer> then you could keep it if you want
[12:48] <rbasak> The only purpose in keeping it now is that it means that the result of the deconstruct step can easily be checked.
[12:48] <cpaelzer> but I also see coming that you'll drop it anyway ont he merge
[12:49] <ahasenack> ok, thanks guys
[12:49] <cpaelzer> the only pain would be if this was bumped via git-commits and Debian moved with the upstream tarball - sometimes  git!=tarball
[12:49] <cpaelzer> so ensure the orig tarball matches
[12:49] <ahasenack> this is one of those fun tarballs, with an empty directory
[12:49] <cpaelzer> yay
[12:49] <ahasenack> why make it easy, heh
[12:50] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: are you moving even further by the merge
[12:50] <cpaelzer> so if Debian was 1, we moved to 2 and he merge is now 3 ?
[12:50] <coreycb> jamespage: i'm thinking about not merging congress. congress bundles antlr3 which is not ideal, and there's a bug  open upstream. zigo modifies the orig tarball to drop all of the antlr3 code, but i'd prefer to just use the published orig tarball.
[12:50] <cpaelzer> then the concerns on matching tarballs don't matter
[12:50] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: no, this one has a debian tarball
[12:50] <ahasenack> going from 4.7.x to 4.8.x
[12:50] <ahasenack> debian never released a 4.7.6, and told me they never would
[12:51] <ahasenack> they went from 4.7.4 to 4.8.x
[12:51] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: but that is fine, you will now move to 4.8.x and use theirs
[12:51] <ahasenack> right
[12:51] <cpaelzer> good
[12:51] <ahasenack> so the actual merge is normal
[12:51] <ahasenack> it's the deconstruct phase that had this oddball
[12:51] <cpaelzer> honestly, it doesn't matter too much
[12:52] <cpaelzer> as rbasak said, it is mostly to check if old/new match what they should
[12:52] <cpaelzer> and later in logical to compare if all commits are retained
[12:52] <ahasenack> and exercise some muscles
[12:52] <cpaelzer> but since this one will be dropped it doesn't matter if it is one or 2k
[12:52] <ahasenack> it will be a huge commit indeed
[12:52] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: when I'm done with my current merge you can exercise some review msucles :-P
[12:53] <rbasak> You can add everything and then reset out just the debian/ directory
[12:53] <rbasak> Saves typing
[12:54] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I added plenty of updates to your merge list
[12:54] <cpaelzer> all that I thought worth discussing is added as comment's so it can be discussed as needed
[12:54] <rbasak> Thanks :)
[13:40] <hehsec> beep boop
[13:41] <hehsec> How do you guys go about hardening new server installs?
[13:41] <hehsec> and managing logs
[13:41] <hehsec> Other than the usual use keys not passwords, change the ssh port to nonstandard to keep from logs getting flooded with crap
[13:42] <rbasak> ahasenack, cpaelzer: what does Monday triage mean? Sat-Sun inclusive?
[13:42] <rbasak> Or Mon also?
[13:43] <cpaelzer> Fr/Sat/Sun
[13:43] <rbasak> OK thanks
[13:43] <cpaelzer> Definition; up to including the last workday
[13:43] <cpaelzer> that works for any day
[13:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: also see check_dates in /snap/ustriage/current/lib/python3.5/site-packages/ustriage/ustriage.py
[13:53] <blackflow> hehsec: apparmor all the things, modify services to run unprivileged wherever possible, take advantage of systemd's security features for services
[13:54] <hehsec> Systemd comes with security features for services?
[13:54] <hehsec> O.o?
[13:56] <blackflow> hehsec: https://gist.github.com/ageis/f5595e59b1cddb1513d1b425a323db04     and then some
[13:59] <hehsec> blackflow: damn
[14:05] <hehsec> blackflow: I never knew I could use systemd to manage appamarmour and selinux profiles on services
[14:05] <hehsec> Why do people hate systemd again?
[14:08] <genii> Probably mostly because systemd-networkd
[14:08] <hehsec> genii: blackflow Any suggestions for learning to automate configuration of linux machines?
[14:09] <hehsec> I'm learning to work with tools like osquery
[14:11] <blackflow> hehsec: ansible!
[14:13] <genii> mssh sometimes is useful
[14:15] <hehsec> blackflow: gah
[14:15] <hehsec> genii: neat
[14:43]  * leosilva lunch
[14:49] <lahlfors> On an ubuntu server with no MTA currently installed, I'd like to arrange it so that regular users cannot send or receive mail, but UIDs < 1000 can send email to root (and only to root) which will be forwarded to an external address via a specified SMTP relay.  What MTA would make this easiest to achieve?
[14:59] <rbasak> lahlfors: I prefer exim for that kind of level of customisation. I'm not sure about restricting sendmail by uid though. I'd check if that is possible first.
[15:00] <rbasak> lahlfors: I have a standard exim configuration I use for stub servers for which I only want root email sent to me and nothing else.
[15:01] <rbasak> lahlfors: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TBNgvPnnfP/ is what I use
[15:02] <rbasak> lahlfors: that should be trivial to adjust to use an SMTP relay. Not sure about the uid restriction.
[15:02] <rbasak> That doesn't stop users from sending out via SMTP directly.
[15:02] <lahlfors> rbasak, thanks, this looks very helpful!
[15:03] <rbasak> I think it might send _everything_ to me regardless of target address
[15:03] <lahlfors> I don't want to attempt to stop users from making outgoing SMTP connections.  But I would like it to be difficult for users to arrange for any daemon on this machine to make an outgoing SMTP connection on their behalf
[15:03] <sdeziel> lahlfors: to prevent users from sending to SMTP directly: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1000-65535 -p tcp --dport 25 -j REJECT
[15:05] <lahlfors> sdeziel, thanks, but that's not exactly what I want.  I want to prevent local users from sending or receiving mail using the local MTA.  Receiving should be easy (some config option).  But sending?
[15:06] <sdeziel> lahlfors: that was only to prevent bypassing the MTA
[15:06] <sdeziel> lahlfors: for the MTA part, with postfix you'd use http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#authorized_submit_users
[15:07] <lahlfors> sdeziel, now we're talking!  That config option should do what I need if I use postfix.  Thanks.
[15:08] <sdeziel> lahlfors: for other MTA, a hack would be to use to use file ACLs to prevent executing the sendmail binary itself
[15:08] <lahlfors> Is postfix a good "lightweight" option in general?  I have configured lots of servers but stopped installing MTAs long ago and only ever used sendmail and qmail
[15:08] <sdeziel> lahlfors: beware that most MTA will let someone directly talk to <IP_ADDRESS>:25 and let you relay with it
[15:09] <lahlfors> sdeziel, I'll handle that with iptables restrictions on the loopback interface.  Not sure if I need to worry about a unix socket file somewhere, too
[15:09] <sdeziel> lahlfors: postfix is pretty light IMHO. You can tune it even more if you disable inet services
[15:11] <runelind_q> oh hey Landscape upgraded cleanly from 17.03 to 18.04
[15:15] <rbasak> lahlfors: looks like exim has $originator_uid and you can set up an ACL on that
[15:16] <rbasak> sdeziel: I would just grab a copy of the sendmail binary from somewhere else and run that :)
[15:17] <lahlfors> rbasak, great, you beat me to it.  (Was looking for exim analogue of authorized_submit_users)
[15:17] <sdeziel> rbasak: ouch :)
[15:20] <lahlfors> geeze exim ACLs are complicated.  I guess mail is just fundamentally complicated.  ugh
[15:21] <teward> yes mail is complicated
[15:21] <teward> it has its own set of chaos tied to it, especially from a security perspective.
[15:22] <lahlfors> Basically, I don't want get in the mail business anyway.  But it would be nice to aggregate cron emails and other problem reports at an external address
[15:23] <lahlfors> Right now problems detected in cron jobs are just ignored because no MTA is installed.  A few manually send their output via amazon SES, but I don't want to be forced to configure that on each job, so I am looking into a very restrictive MTA config
[15:28] <rbasak> The main security issues with mail are spam and open relays
[15:29] <rbasak> My exim config attempts to avoid that by overriding everything to me, so it shouldn't be possible for someone to route anything anywhere else. exim's router mechanism is quite clear about the outcome there so hopefully no confusion. And I turn off listening on public interfaces, so I don't have to worry about SMTP ACLs.
[15:29] <rbasak> (even if someone did manage to get to my exim's SMTP all they'd be able to do is send emails to me since everything redirects to me)
[15:30] <rbasak> IMHO this is the most minimal and perfectly acceptable config for servers that aren't supposed to have users logged in.
[16:49] <teward> rbasak: +1.  But getting everything to behave can still be tricky, when it comes to interaction with other mail servers and such
[16:49] <teward> whether the config is 'perfect' or not.
[17:30] <rbasak> teward: the point of my arrangement is that it doesn't really talk to other mail servers. Only my one :)
[17:30] <rbasak> Well, not even "really". It just doesn't!
[17:31] <teward> indeed.
[19:08] <madLyfe> so when i did a fresh install of server 18.04 and did a second reboot(had to reboot again after i left the installer usb attached. shouldnt this be aware and pass over it?) it booted up and didnt show 'server login:' it was just a blinking line. i ran 'sudo reboot now' and it then asked me to login. what im getting at is it wasnt very clear where it was at after the boot up.
[19:08] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VOeccHM5/image.png
[19:09] <madLyfe> not sure if that is a bug or feature request?
[19:13] <sarnold> probably not much to be done about it
[19:14] <madLyfe> pretty sure it used to just land you at a login prompt. not just empty blinking cursor.
[19:14] <sarnold> it did
[19:14] <sarnold> look up at the tty1 line ..
[19:14] <sarnold> there's your login: prompt
[19:15] <sarnold> async tasks run during boot may emit content nearly forever..
[19:15] <madLyfe> hmm
[19:40] <ahasenack> how do I link debian merge bugs with the report in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html ?
[19:40] <ahasenack> an example is dovecot's entry there, it's pointing at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/1771524
[19:41] <ahasenack> but that bug has no special tag about it
[21:48] <lopta> Right, let's see how big this Ubuntu Server thing is.
[21:59] <lopta> 1,162 MB (i386, 16.04.4).  That's great.
[21:59] <lopta> I'll try 18.04 next.
[22:01] <tomreyn> ?
[22:07] <dpb1> he's downloading over carrier pigeon
[22:11] <tomreyn> :)
[22:11] <genii> RFC 1149
[22:37] <JanC> carrier pigeons can transport quite a lot more than that at impressive speeds   :)
[22:39] <JanC> e.g. if you let them carry some 256GB (and bigger capacity?) micro-SD cards
[22:39]  * sarnold wonders what the airspeed velocity of RAICP carrying a RAID array is..


[00:01] <melkor> I'm curious if this 64bit xploit works for any maverick users.  http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Hole-in-Linux-kernel-provides-root-rights-1081317.html
[00:02] <melkor> I'm using the backports kernel and it still works for me.
[00:05] <myk_robinson> I found a way to set critical battery action to "Do Nothing" in gconf-editor. But how do I get my battery level to read properly?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> FYI I'm unsubing most of ubuntu related MLs
[00:05] <BUGabundo> I didn't read most of it already
[00:06] <BUGabundo> so if anyone here was expecting a reply, ping me off list
[00:07] <RBecker> still not working, even after purging those packages kklimonda
[00:09] <myk_robinson> My laptop in Windows 7 can broadcast its own wifi signal. Can Ubuntu do this as well?
[00:13] <RBecker> ok, is there any way to like rollback changes back to a certain day? Like a Windows System Restore?
[00:14] <duffydack> RBecker, synaptic, force package version
[00:15] <RBecker> No GUI
[00:20] <RBecker> duffydack: that's my problem. I updated to the beta and now I have no GUI
[00:20] <RBecker> X/GDM isn't working
[00:20] <duffydack> welcome to beta land
[00:21] <RBecker> so what should I do?
[00:21] <duffydack> did you backup anything?
[00:21] <RBecker> my home folder
[00:23] <duffydack> I am not an nvidia guy as I said, so I cant really give any advice.
[00:24] <duffydack> when upgrading to a beta, just make sure you have a complete backup... beta = could kill your cat and eat your cake
[00:24] <RBecker> complete backup - as in backup my whole system drive?
[00:25] <duffydack> complete = something you can revert to if it doesnt work.
[00:26] <RBecker> So basically everything
[00:26] <duffydack> yup
[00:26] <RBecker> My apps I can reinstall, but I knew the home folder was important, with all the configuration and such
[00:27] <duffydack> if its on a seperate partition,  its safe
[00:27] <RBecker> if what is?
[00:27] <duffydack> your home
[00:27] <RBecker> It's not, but I copied everything in it to my external drive
[00:29] <duffydack> so you upgraded your working stable system to a beta with no backup?
[00:29] <RBecker> duffydack: do you think it would work if I took everything in my sources.list and changed them from maverick to lucid, updated then did upgrades
[00:29] <RBecker> duffydack: as I said, I knew the home dir was the most important
[00:30] <duffydack> a backup to me is a complete and utter backup
[00:30] <duffydack> the whole hd... when messing with beta
[00:31] <duffydack> well anyway, you should always have a seperate home partition.
[00:31] <duffydack> makes life easier for restoring/reinstalling
[00:32] <RBecker> i gotta run, I'l bbl
[00:33] <duffydack> You need help with nvidia.. maybe someone will be around for it later
[00:39] <voidmage> i'm having an issue with libnotify popups - i run wine apps in a virtual desktop on another workspace, and set the wine desktop to always on top. the libnotify popups are showing up behind all the other windows when this happens. what can i do to set libnotify popups always on top?
[00:45] <voidmage> oh it's not called libnotify anymore
[00:59] <RBecker> back
[01:01] <voidmage> going to try rephrasing this: when i have an always on top window on my second workspace, only critical notify-osd popups will appear, even on the first workspace. non-critical ones don't show up at all, even if I minimize all the windows on my first workspace.
[01:06] <melkor> RBecker: have you looked at any of your logs yet?
[01:06] <RBecker> Which one should I be looking at specifically
[01:07] <melkor> RBecker: you have nvidia drivers?
[01:07] <RBecker> yes.
[01:07] <melkor> You could start with Xorg.log
[01:08] <RBecker> where's that kept?
[01:08] <melkor> /var/log
[01:08] <melkor> Also dmesg
[01:09] <RBecker> ok
[01:09] <myk_robinson> any idea how to get sensors detected on my core i3 laptop?
[01:10] <melkor> RBecker: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?  If you do you could save that somewhere else and see if that helps.
[01:10] <myk_robinson> running sudo sensors-detect doesnt seem to find anything
[01:10] <melkor> myk_robinson: what sensors?
[01:10] <RBecker> melkor: I erased it, then ran nvidia-xconfig
[01:10] <myk_robinson> melkor: any sensors. Trying to get temperature detection on all four cores, etc
[01:10] <frugi> hi, im trying to install gnome-shell in my 10.10 install but i cant figure out the repo to add, ive already added ppa:ricotz/testing, but it dosent contain gnome-shell for some reason
[01:10] <myk_robinson> i have lm-sensors installed but cant get it to "see" any data
[01:11] <frugi> is it pulled back or something?
[01:12] <melkor> RBecker: I would remove it again and see if you can get to GDM without an xorg file, possibly you'd be able to get to the desktop too.
[01:12] <RBecker> melkor: ok
[01:13] <melkor> did you find any errors in your xorg log?
[01:13] <RBecker> didn'
[01:13] <RBecker> didn't look
[01:14] <RBecker> there were several
[01:14] <melkor> The one without the .0 .1 ect is the most recent.
[01:14] <RBecker> melkor: boot messages, no display
[01:15] <RBecker> and there is no Xorg.log melkor, just .0,.1,.2,.3,.4,.5
[01:16] <melkor> Well check the most recent.  Probably they'll all have the same error since you've tried a couple times.  Do you have internet with that computer, you might want to update/upgrade.
[01:17] <RBecker> I do have internet
[01:17] <RBecker> nothing to upgrade melkor
[01:25] <archer> official support?
[01:25] <archer> some official one here
[01:30] <Mathuin> I downloaded 10.10 UNE and selected 'install'.  Up came a window with the name Install and the title Warning, telling me that the real thing will be out soon.  Unfortunately, my netbook's screen isn't tall enough to show the buttons at the bottom if there are any so there's no way for me to actually click on the window.  Any suggestions -- other than "buy a new computer", of course.
[01:32] <Daekdroom> Mathuin, your best bet is filing a bug report on it
[01:33] <melkor> archer you just ask a question and if somebody is supportin' then you'll get an answer, or a suggestion.
[01:37] <TeslaTony> Mathuin: You could try hitting tab to get to the buttons
[01:38] <Mathuin> TeslaTony: I can, but it's flying blind.  I am filing a bug because the white space there is really gratuitious, and there are *many* netbooks with this screen resolution so they should really think before making windows like this.
[01:39] <Mathuin> OS installs are scary enough, I shouldn't have to use the Force. :-)
[01:49] <Mathuin> And yeah, it's not just that window, it's like a bunch of other ones.  It's clear nobody tested on small screens.  Grr.  Sigh.
[03:11] <xscroll> has anyone installed ubuntu 10.10 beta on a ~2-year-old macbook pro? does the 3D acceleration work?
[03:24] <xscroll> well, I guess I'll find out the hard way then
[03:47] <pecos> using the unr 10.10 how i get add a terminal icon to desktop apps?
[03:49] <pecos> is the unr 10.10 unity interface stable and completed...?
[04:46] <Spirits-Sight> what can I do to get a program to interact with its internet server like it use to do? I am using a win program under wine, any ideas?
[04:54] <Spirits-Sight> is there something broke with the latest WINE and Ubuntu 10.10 as it does not work correct when using gnome shell and it does not seem to interact with internet program that need a socket to the internet
[05:49] <frybye> Hi all - trying to update using    update-manager -d from lucid leaves me with a fault window saying that hundreds of packages cannot be verified for authenticity and to try later - what is that all about?
[05:58] <frybye> are you folks up and about??? Here is my problem again, when doing a   update-manager -d  from lucid I end up with this a fault message listing hundreds of packages that cant be authenticated.. the thing then shuts down.. whats up?
[06:47] <DanaG> argh, I'm trying to apt-pin stuff, and it seems to be ignoring it.  Either that, or I'm misunderstanding the way pinning works.
[06:48] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/ErTZZE7Y -- preferences file
[06:48] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/aMdur22Q -- apt-cache policy
[06:48] <DanaG> I'd expect to see 19000 only on Lucid.
[06:50] <frybye> Hi all - tried using   update-manager -d  from lucid to go to maverick - but all I get is a window saying that hundreds of packages cannot be authenticated - try again later - what is this all about?
[06:51] <SwedeMike> trying doing "apt-get update" first and see if it says the same.
[06:52] <frybye> ok -but I used snaptic to update before the above..?
[06:53] <frybye> will give your suggestion a try though... and report back within ubuntu.. see you...
[06:58] <frybye> re: when trying to do   apt-get update  in a terminal I get the following fault report:
[06:58] <frybye> E: Lockdatei /var/lib/apt/lists/lock konnte nicht geöffnet werden - open (13: Permission denied)
[06:58] <frybye> E: Das Listenverzeichnis kann nicht gesperrt werden
[06:58] <frybye> what can be done??
[07:00] <frybye> hmmm.. again - what can I do about this? Lockdatei /var/lib/apt/lists/lock konnte nicht geöffnet werden - open (13: Permission denied)
[07:26] <vish> !schedule
[07:37] <DanaG> heh, I succeeded in hammering my 64-bit install into to a 32-bit install. =þ
[08:30] <ctw> Hi ... in Kubuntu I am making frequent use of web shortcuts. E.g., I can press ALT+F2 to open a command window and just type "gg:web search" to do a google search on "web search" ... this functionality does not seem to be set-up by default in Maverik anymore. What is the best way to restore it? Do I have to make Konqueror my default browser for this to work?
[08:32] <archer> ctw: it is worse to me that konqueror and reqonk will crash with ibus ime
[08:34] <ctw> archer: almost tried to run "gg:ibus ime", but realised this handy short-cut is no longer there ... I use it all the time and miss it dearly!
[08:51] <archer> i have a question here
[08:51] <vish> !ask | archer
[08:51] <archer> why not maverick 64 turn off background LED light while in power saving
[08:52] <archer> sure
[08:52] <archer> and why  will not it respond to close lid action?
[08:52] <archer> i am on a amd unit, ferrari one 200
[08:53] <archer> before some upgrading, it responded to related actions
[08:54] <archer> btw. i learned from some bbs that ubuntu maverick changed some 32 compatible commonds such as ... 1 min
[08:55] <volodya> ctw: that's truly annoying, indeed. File a bug?
[08:55] <archer> some changes in http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25485&page=2
[08:55] <archer> could cause ATI driver to refuse to work
[08:56] <archer> how could i?
[08:56] <archer> i cannot find the reason and log. how could i raise a bug report??
[08:57] <archer> ok. i found some update. wish it is fixed already
[08:57] <volodya> ctw: in fact, this can be fixed in rekonq settings
[08:58] <volodya> 'gg' is disabled by default -- which I'd say is crazy, but anyway, you can enable it back
[08:58] <ctw> volodya: thanks!
[09:06] <ctw> volodya: very strange ... when I enable it in rekonq, gg:test opens the google search in Firefox ...
[09:06] <volodya> ctw: chromium for me.
[09:06] <ctw> volodya: however certainly better than not having it at all
[09:06] <volodya> ctw: use 'system-setting->file associations' to fix
[09:06] <ctw> volodya: cool, thanks so much!
[09:06] <volodya> text/html should have rekonq as first preference
[09:07] <volodya> I am not *entirely* sure I want to have rekonq as my primary browser, but might as well give it a try
[09:07] <archer> volodya:  why
[09:08] <volodya> well, the fact that it gives error when adding a comment to a bug in launchpad pretty much summarizes it
[09:08] <archer> heh, i think experts as you do not use launchpad
[09:09] <volodya> I am not an expert, at least not in anything involving linux plumbing ;-)
[09:09] <archer> dont know why. but firefox is the most stable and sticky choice for me
[09:10] <archer> in both win32 and linux
[09:10] <volodya> but if rekonq is not happy about friendly website, it's rather likely it will not be happy about my bank' and other similar beasts.
[09:10] <volodya> I've mostly switched to chrome; except for ehm, my bank which wants firefox only.
[09:11] <volodya> I'd be happy to switch back to a KDE browser, for the joys of kwallet and bookmarks.
[09:13] <archer> chrome ? i have no experience with it
[09:19]  * archer needs to reboot and  try his luck with ati drivers
[09:19] <archer> brb
[09:28] <aquarius> is it OK to upgrade right now?
[09:34] <scizzo-> aquarius: you mean to beta version?
[09:35] <aquarius> scizzo-, I'm already running maverick; I last upgraded last week sometime (I can't remember exactly when). Just checking if any major problems have been added since then and I should wait another day
[09:46] <scizzo-> aquarius: the only thing I have noticed that is a problem for me is the QT libs
[09:46] <scizzo-> aquarius: since there are errors in it causing spotify to crash
[09:47] <aquarius> scizzo-, thanks!
[11:04] <ChaosR> hello, for some reason maverick only feels like printing bold gray text now. I have a hp3650. anybody knows why and how to solve?
[12:57] <archer> any suggestions for installing latest ATI driver?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> archer: IIRC Ati broke compatibility with xorg 1.9
[12:59] <shadeslayer> i might be wrong...
[12:59] <shadeslayer> but thats what i saw in a blog post..
[13:00] <archer> hum. you are right . but i hope it were not
[13:01] <archer> i have some trouble here.login screen displays correctly, but when i enter the account info, a bash cli window pops out and it goes back to login interfaces#
[13:02] <archer> only availabe message was invaild framebuffer size. and i have to startx from a complete cli console via ALT_N
[13:02] <archer> free drivers already cause some problem here
[13:03] <archer> is there anyone here with an ATI card?
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Not any more. :)
[13:05] <archer> what is not any more willis?
[13:06] <archer> support from ATI or something?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> I dumped all my ati systems finally
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> Never buying ati again
[13:11] <archer> hum..
[13:11] <archer> it is NOT a solution anyhow
[13:11] <archer> btw how to dump ati settings?
[13:11] <archer> framebuffer size is not visible
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Console framebuffer?  or are they refering to some otehr framebuffer...
[13:13] <archer> i think it was ATI frame buffer, hardware setting
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> 'framebuffer' can mean so many things
[13:14] <archer> well.
[13:14] <archer> does it seem hopeless for me
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> I know diddly-squat about the current state of ATI support.  - So i cant tell.
[13:15] <archer>    46.287303] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[13:26] <duffydack> i might try the driver from amd site, released 5 days ago
[13:26] <archer> Dr_Willis ? any suggestions?
[13:27] <cwillu_at_work> ooo, very nice
[13:27] <cwillu_at_work> installer installs while you answer questions
[13:28] <archer> ??
[13:28] <cwillu_at_work> it's been "copying files" this whole time while I was doing other things, with the timezone question screen up at the same time
[13:28] <cwillu_at_work> just finished typing in my user name
[13:29] <cwillu_at_work> as soon as you answer the partitioning questions, looks like
[13:29]  * cwillu_at_work likes
[13:31] <archer> well. it is something like a bug
[13:32] <archer> it should ask all questions at the beginning, and leave us
[13:35] <bullgard4> My Maverick Betacomputer shows the main »Documentation« directory under /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.35/linux-source-2.6.35/ . Ist this the default hierarchy? Looks somewhat strange.
[14:28] <Tweaky> hi. having problem with update manager. here is the error if anyone could help http://paste.ubuntu.com/497009/
[14:30] <archer> personally recommand aptitude update and upgrade
[14:31] <Tweaky> sudo apt-get install && upgrade?
[14:33] <archer> Tweaky:  have you tride sudo aptitude update  & upgrade?
[14:34] <archer> for me , aptitude helped to detect some dependency errors
[14:34] <Tweaky> archer: trying
[14:34] <archer> good luck
[14:36] <archer> some day, apt-get dist-upgrade caused some unkown problem and my desktop will not return
[14:36] <Pici> That package is coming from the xorg-edgers ppa, it may be a known issue there.
[14:36] <archer> well,  aptitude commond detected some conflicts and suggest remove one package
[14:37] <Tweaky> its sort of frozen and not doin much on this line
[14:37] <Tweaky> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com maverick-backports/universe amd64 Packages
[14:37] <Tweaky> Fetched 10.5kB in 2s (4,453B/s)
[14:39] <archer> and stopped?
[14:39] <Tweaky> yeah its just sitting there like that in terminal
[14:43] <archer> no idea if "aptitude" itself in cli does not have any suggestions
[14:44] <Tweaky> hm k maybe the error be fixed in future days thank you
[14:44] <archer> i mean run aptitude without parametres
[14:45] <soee> does the plymouth under 64bit ver is broken ?
[14:48] <Tweaky> archer : thanks, attempting
[14:51] <archer> i wish it prompts to exam packages. this usually help to solve problems
[14:56] <veenenen> Anyone knows what's going on with suppot for the apple magic trackpad support? The config file included in xorg.conf.d doesn't match up with the entry in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/AppleMagicTrackpad. The end result being, most of the functionality is being lost by default right now.
[15:01] <archer> Dr_Willis:  any suggestion for [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[15:07] <Tweaky> archer: no luck
[15:08] <archer> sorry to hear that . it is about a ppa package?
[15:08] <Tweaky> hm i have no idea :p
[15:10] <Tweaky> tried in synaptic too it error there  as well
[15:11] <archer> i think synaptic load apt-get in background
[15:21] <Tetsuo55> is there some way to increase the update check?
[15:21] <Tetsuo55> sorr
[15:21] <Tetsuo55> y
[15:22] <Tetsuo55> is there some way to increase the interval of checking for updates?
[15:22] <Tetsuo55> as a beta-tester once per day is far too slow, many of my crash reports are getting closed for having outdated packadge
[15:22] <Tetsuo55> s
[15:23] <Pici> Tetsuo55: You know you can update manually, right?
[15:24] <Tetsuo55> Pici:  i do, but its annoying to have to do that all day
[15:24] <archer> Tetsuo55: but they don't release upgrade that frequently
[15:24] <Tetsuo55> from my results of checking every hour it looks like every 3-6 hours updates become available
[15:24] <Tetsuo55> but its slowing down since 2 days
[15:24] <Tetsuo55> before it was every 2-3 hours
[15:25] <Pici> Tetsuo55: I suppose you could mode /etc/cron.daily/apt into /etc/cron.hourly/
[15:25] <Tetsuo55> Pici:  hey thats a good idea, thanks!
[15:27] <archer> hum/?
[15:27] <archer> move file ?
[15:28] <archer> but will it automatically install /upgrade?
[15:30] <Pici> archer: It'll do whatever he has it setup to do, /etc/cron.daily/apt just calls it daily.
[15:32] <Tetsuo55> im failing at this, i have to do it from commandline or can i do it from th egui
[15:32] <archer> it takes some time to Understand the config
[15:33] <Tetsuo55> i dont seem to have rights to move it through the gui
[15:33] <Pici> sudo mv /etc/cron.daily/apt /etc/cron.hourly/
[15:33] <Tetsuo55> thank you
[15:34] <Tetsuo55> it workd
[15:34] <Tetsuo55> worked*, thanks!
[15:37] <archer> so cron = scheduled task ?
[15:37] <Tetsuo55> archer:  yes
[15:37] <Pici> !cron
[15:38] <Tetsuo55> but its better than windows's version
[15:38] <archer> well
[15:38] <archer> here is a wiki bot
[15:38] <archer> Tetsuo55:  how is it better?
[15:39] <Tetsuo55> archer: because the scripting behind it better/easier to use
[15:40] <archer> hum. good point
[15:48]  * duffydack wants fglrx to work in 10.10
[15:55] <bdrung_> duffydack: the ati driver doesn't serve your needs?
[15:56] <duffydack> not well enough..
[15:56] <bjsnider> hoping that fglrx works for a change is not a good plan
[16:14] <pp__> hello
[16:14] <pp__> i'm trying to install a driver for my 5650 HD card on a 64bit 10.10 maverick system.. everything i'v tried so far has given nothing but errors - wat do?
[16:17] <Ian_corne> nothing
[16:17] <Ian_corne> there isn't a working driver yet
[16:17] <Ian_corne> unless the one baked into the kernel
[16:19] <pp__> fuck
[16:19] <Pici> pp__: Thats uncalled for.
[16:20] <pp__> dude i just uninstalled a whole life of windows yesterday, without making backup CD's. i thought ubuntu was gonna rule and now i get this! can't even game now :(
[16:20] <archer> fglrx?
[16:20] <archer> it doesn't work for me
[16:20] <pp__> yes
[16:20] <archer> you tried official package?
[16:20] <pp__> yeah
[16:20] <archer> after --buildpkg
[16:20] <archer> you need to change some code
[16:20] <pp__> i even tried some of the older ones
[16:21] <archer> so no luck
[16:21] <archer> same to me
[16:21] <Ian_corne> pp__: why are you running the development release?
[16:21] <archer> yeah
[16:21] <pp__> because i couldn't make it work on lucid either
[16:21] <bjsnider> lol
[16:21] <pp__> so i just tried upgrading to see
[16:22] <bjsnider> the unstable version would be better than the stable version?
[16:22] <archer> and lucid support less hardware than marverick after new setup
[16:22] <archer> sure. to some degree
[16:22] <bjsnider> linux isn't a gaming platform
[16:22] <archer> at least for hardware
[16:22] <pp__> lol all you want but im at a total loss
[16:22] <bjsnider> if you're a gamer you've got one choice
[16:22] <pp__> i know it's not a gaming platform but all i want is to play HoN. and they release a linux version
[16:22] <archer> bjsnider:  it is not the point
[16:23] <archer> the point is we need linux
[16:23] <archer> no matter what kind of hd platform
[16:23] <bjsnider> well, if you want to game, you probably need a modern nvidia card
[16:24] <IdleOne> The real question is why didn't you backup
[16:24] <IdleOne> ??
[16:24] <pp__> haha
[16:24] <archer> backup what?
[16:24] <archer> new laptop or new windows?
[16:24] <pp__> i've been crapped on day in and day out by windows
[16:24] <bjsnider> backup? what's that? never heard of it
[16:24] <pp__> i decided enough was enough
[16:26] <pp__> so does that mean there is no future for my 5x00 card on ubuntu ?
[16:26] <archer> pp__:  no ati Hd till now
[16:26] <pp__> till now or so far?
[16:26] <bjsnider> ati has always had disastrous linux support
[16:27] <pp__> what a bummer
[16:27] <pp__> is there some sort of open source program that at least makes fullscreen video watchable?
[16:27] <archer> what is difference between till now and sofar?
[16:27] <archer> default one could, pp
[16:28] <bjsnider> all you need is a working graphics driver for fullscreen video
[16:28] <bjsnider> the pc desktop is pretty much comparable in features and so forth with windows if you're using intel/nvidia graphics
[16:30] <pp__> well i'm guessing i have a the default driver installed right now
[16:30] <pp__> but i can't view youtube videos in full screen
[16:31] <archer> oh i think it is a bug
[16:31] <pp__> and my own videos lag in full screen mode when running in vlc fx.
[16:31] <archer> i tried youtube but i have to click the tab in taskbar orso to view full screen video
[16:32] <pp__> the tab in taskbar?
[16:33] <bjsnider> fullscreen flash doesn't work on linux
[16:34] <archer> pp__:
[16:34] <archer> yes
[16:34] <bullgard4> My Maverick Betacomputer shows the main »Documentation« directory under /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.35/linux-source-2.6.35/ . Ist this the default hierarchy? Looks somewhat strange.
[16:34] <archer> you click fullscreen in webpage and later
[16:35] <archer> you need to click the taskbar on the brower's tab
[16:35] <cromag> i'm trying to install 10.10 in dualboot with windows 7, but when booting the CD i get "no init found try passing....." i've seen some solutions when ubuntu IS installed, but not WHEN installing. - Ideas are welcome :) - Both HD and CDROM is sata
[16:37] <pp__> archer if you mean fullscreen the browser, then that hides the taskbar and i don't understand. if you mean fullscreen the youtube vid and click the taskar, it still doesn't work. the video just goes grey (and stays un-maximized)
[16:37] <archer> yes.pp
[16:37] <archer> i mean full screen video
[16:37] <klaxian> fglrx will not build a DKMS module on kernel 2.6.35-22.  Where can I find the 2.6.35-21 packages to revert back?
[16:38] <archer> not full screen webbrowser
[16:38] <pp__> yes but that's exactly where my problem lies, i can't view youtube vids in fullscreen mode for some reason
[16:39] <archer> but it seems i have to click the browsers' tab when the embedded flash turn grey
[16:39] <archer> afte click full screen
[16:39] <archer> and then full screen flash video is there
[16:39] <pp__> doesn't do the trick for me :(
[16:39] <archer> or maybe firefox?
[16:40] <archer> i did it yesterday
[16:40] <pp__> im using firefox
[16:40] <pp__> btw i got some error regard nphviewer, is it related?
[16:40] <pp__> regarding
[16:40] <archer> hum ???? have i made myself expressed well?
[16:41] <pp__> i don't know
[16:41] <archer> i got it too. but it seemed no harm
[16:41] <archer> let me try
[16:41] <klaxian> please, where can i get older kernel packages like 2.6.35-21?  -22 does not work with fglrx and now i can't boot
[16:41] <archer> 1. click full screen logo in the webpage and the embedded-in flash will be grey
[16:41] <archer> klaxian:  try to rename 'etc/x11/xorg.conf
[16:42] <archer> 2. at that time, click firefox tab in taskmgr and you will get full screen video
[16:42] <klaxian> archer: yes, i know.  but i need fglrx for my setup.  please, i just need to get back to 2.6.35-21.  i do not want to troubleshoot fglrx not working
[16:42] <klaxian> i already know why
[16:43] <Pici> klaxian: Choose that kernel when you boot
[16:43] <archer> klaxian:  i have
[16:43] <archer> yes it is built with specific kernal when you install
[16:43] <klaxian> Pici: like an idiot, i already removed it to save space because i thought 2.6.35-22 was working, but it's not
[16:43] <pp__> in task manager? where do i find task manager in linux
[16:44] <klaxian> so i just need to download 2.6.35-21 again, but of course it's no longer in the repositories.  is there a location that i can download it manually?
[16:44] <archer> the running jobs container
[16:44] <Pici> klaxian: From launchpad.
[16:44] <klaxian> Pici: any specific url?
[16:44] <pp__> i'm sorry, archer, i don't follow
[16:45] <Pici> klaxian: one moment.
[16:45] <klaxian> thanks
[16:46] <dajhorn> klaxian: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.35-21-generic_2.6.35-21.31_i386.deb
[16:47] <archer> so it is just grey and that trick doesnt work for you, pp_
[16:47] <Pici> klaxian: what arch?
[16:47] <klaxian> Pici: x64
[16:47] <dajhorn> klaxian:  That mirror still has the -21 kernels posted.
[16:48] <klaxian> awesome
[16:48] <klaxian> i think i can get it from there
[16:48] <klaxian> thanks guys!
[16:48] <Pici> klaxian: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-21.31/+build/1958402
[16:48] <dajhorn> klaxian: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.35-21-generic_2.6.35-21.31_amd64.deb
[16:48] <klaxian> perfect, thanks dajhorn
[16:49] <dajhorn> klaxian: Welcome, but Pici gave you a better answer.
[16:49] <cromag> repost: i'm trying to install 10.10 in dualboot with windows 7, but when booting the CD i get "no init found try passing....." i've seen some solutions when ubuntu IS installed, but not WHEN installing. - Ideas are welcome :) - Both HD and CDROM is sata
[16:50] <archer> does virtualbox work as a background service as xen do in ubuntu?
[16:51] <He4dShOt> hi
[16:52] <dajhorn> cromag: Are you getting the 'no init found' error from the Live CD?  -- If so, then you have a bad burn.
[16:52] <dajhorn> cromag: (Or you are passing a bad init= line at the boot prompt.)
[16:53] <He4dShOt> i'm trying to install maverick but the live freeze on boot
[16:53] <archer> dajhorn: where is the live cd?
[16:53] <cromag> dajhorn: hmm ok, is it possible to check for bad burn, like the earlier versions ?
[16:53] <archer> cromag:  check media in cdrom startup menu
[16:54] <cromag> i dont see a startup menu
[16:54] <cromag> it goes to the ubuntu with dots logo
[16:54] <archer> so there is not menu/ IT must be bad
[16:54] <cromag> now, in 10.04 i get anther
[16:54] <cromag> bah
[16:54] <archer> sorry cromag. are you with a desktop verson?
[16:55] <archer> or alternative version?
[16:55] <cromag> archer: yes.
[16:55] <cromag> desktop
[16:55] <archer> i remember need to press some key in desktop version. but i am using alter version
[16:56] <archer> what software you used for burning ?
[16:56] <cromag> imgburn for windows
[16:56] <archer> win7 ... not working
[16:56] <He4dShOt> press esc for startup menu
[16:56] <archer> so does imgburn in win7
[16:56] <cromag> erhm ? not sure what you are telling me now
[16:56] <archer> i tried several times , win7 build-in and imgburn does not work
[16:57] <cromag> i just some weeks ago burned 10.04 with no problems
[16:57] <archer> He4dShOt said, while booting with desktop cdrom, you need press esc to load startup menu
[16:57] <cromag> with imgburn
[16:57] <archer> cromag:  yes 10;04 it is ok
[16:57] <cromag> ye, i'll try that
[16:57] <cromag> wt... that's weird stuff..
[16:57] <archer> but 10.10 not for me
[16:57] <cromag> heh
[16:58] <cromag> esc gives me the menu
[16:58] <cromag> but does it matter at all then ? :D
[16:58] <cromag> i should try some other burning app then
[17:00] <cromag> erhm, i must have another issue now..
[17:00] <cromag> i'm thrown to the busybox shell with a mounting issue now
[17:02] <cromag> i'll find another app and get back to you.
[17:02] <archer> cromag: yes it caused some issue for me,with imgburn and win7 build in
[17:02] <cromag> i just tried with 10.04
[17:02] <cromag> i get thrown to busybox to
[17:03] <cromag> with an i/o error that it cant mount
[17:03] <archer> it promoted @invaild file ,, put orginal cd-rom blablah@
[17:03] <cromag> need to get that checked..
[17:03] <cromag> i need to get some shopping done though
[17:04] <archer> cromag: i tried ultraiso with its burn functions since it is small
[17:04] <cromag>  could make some USB thingie of the other ubuntu i have maybe ?
[17:05] <archer> why not try yourself
[17:05] <cromag> with cd ?
[17:32] <Tetsuo55> is it possible to configure the multi display settings to be more like windows?
[17:32] <Tetsuo55> i want to have the laptop monitor when no screen is attached, and if the screen is attached the laptop should be disabled
[17:32] <Tetsuo55> automatically, like windows
[17:33] <volodya> Tetsuo55: what video card?
[17:37] <Tetsuo55> intel intergrated thing
[17:37] <Tetsuo55> centrino2 generation
[17:37] <Tetsuo55> it has dxvaq
[17:37] <Tetsuo55> dont know the exact name
[17:38] <volodya> oh, then it should support xrandr 1.2, and you can write a script that call 'xrandr -q' from time to time, and switches to external display when it becomes available.
[17:38] <volodya> I don't think there's fully official solution
[17:39] <Tetsuo55> wierd
[17:40] <Tetsuo55> the windows intel driver has all this stuff built in
[17:40] <Tetsuo55> and my laptop (dell e6400) has hardware buttons to control it
[17:41] <volodya> well, that's linux, what do you want.
[17:41] <volodya> fwiw, on e6410, all Fn-* combinations not only don't have the desired effect, but even produce wrong characters.
[18:04] <manlymatt83> Howdy all.  Anyone here running 10.10 in favor of 10.04?
[18:04] <ChogyDan> i am
[18:05] <Dulak> got it running on one machine, my others are still running 10.04
[18:05] <Ian_corne> mostly everyone is
[18:06] <IdleOne> mostly everyone in this channel
[18:06] <manlymatt83> From what I understand from the documentation, if I install 10.10 beta, I can easily upgrade to 10.10 release in October, right?
[18:06] <hackeron> hey, every time I run easy_install, I see this: http://pastebin.com/wzEUsxgR - any ideas how to resolve?
[18:07] <IdleOne> manlymatt83: if you keep up to date, yes you will have the final release
[18:07] <manlymatt83> Also, right now I'm running 9.04 on my Thinkpad T42 with 2 GB RAM.  It runs fine, but I want newer software so I want to upgrade to 10.04... but that isn't working (the splash screen hangs, it's related to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/572279).  But some have mentioned that 10.10 fixes that issue.  Are there any huge differences between 9.04 and 10.10 that would affect my general use of the machine, or perhaps cause T4
[18:07] <Daekdroom> It annoys me how they keep removing the scroll bar from gnome terminal..
[18:09] <IdleOne> manlymatt83: if 9.04 is working fine for you. I would stick with it until 10.10 is released then do a clean install
[18:10] <IdleOne> 20 more days or so
[18:10] <Dulak> manlymatt83: nobody can definitively say one way or the other, the only way to know for sure is to try it.  Boot the livecd, if everything looks ok try the install out.
[18:10] <IdleOne> manlymatt83: you have a separate /home?
[18:10] <manlymatt83> IdleOne: Yes, I do.
[18:11] <Dulak> manlymatt83: if you put /home onto it's own partition you can go back and forth pretty easily if there is an issue
[18:11] <IdleOne> ok. well then try the live cd and test, if that works try installing
[18:11] <manlymatt83> IdleOne: Are there any negative reasons for not waiting the 20 days other than that things might be unstable for 20 days?  When I upgrade, I'll have exactly what everyone else has on release day right?
[18:12] <IdleOne> manlymatt83: in the next month 10.10 is liable to break 100 times and not boot at all
[18:12] <IdleOne> or
[18:12] <IdleOne> it could work perfectly
[18:12] <manlymatt83> understood
[18:12] <manlymatt83> okay, thanks!
[18:12] <hackeron> I tried to file a bug for maverick, but couldn't see anyway to do it, so filed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-setuptools/+bug/643721
[18:12] <Dulak> about the only thing that would be negative is the update downloads, they get kinda crazy in the last 2 weeks running up to a release, then the servers crawl to a halt for a few days as the 'stable only' guys upgrade or reinstall
[18:13] <Dulak> well besides the breakage thing anyways
[18:14] <IdleOne> Dulak: that is why it so important that we all !torrent at release time :)
[18:14] <Dulak> IdleOne: yup, I keep it running for at least the first week after a release.
[18:14] <IdleOne> same here
[18:15] <Dulak> I think i got to like a 50 ratio on 10.04 in that week
[18:16] <IdleOne> I do it because I figure it is the least i can do help out Ubuntu
[18:16] <IdleOne> /Canonical for helping provide such an awesome distro
[18:22] <topyli> a-ha! you can "clear application data" and restore sanity, it's just not very discoverable
[18:24]  * IdleOne clears topyli data and restore sanity
[18:24] <topyli> thanks IdleOne
[18:24] <IdleOne> I feel a little better now but a sense of loss is present :(
[18:24]  * IdleOne imports topyli data
[18:24] <IdleOne> much better
[18:25] <topyli> also, why am i telling all this in this channel? my windows are as confused as i am
[18:25] <IdleOne> sanity is over rated anyway
[18:25] <topyli> it is
[18:25] <IdleOne> I don't know why you told it all in here but could of been worse
[18:26] <topyli> oh absolutely
[18:26] <manlymatt83> so I burned the 10.10 iso to a jump drive, and then restarted, and I got an error: "invalid keyword in configuration file", and then it just hangs :)
[18:26] <manlymatt83> lovely
[18:26] <sidnei_> apw, any news on #524281? im still seeying the dreaded load balancing ticks on a fully up-to-date maverick
[18:39] <duffydack> so Rubbish Bin is back to Wastebacket.. hmmm
[18:50] <nlawson> hello i was directed here by Ubuntu-us-oh
[18:50] <Pici> oh?
[18:50] <nlawson> i am trying to download ubuntu 10.10 beta
[18:50] <nlawson> and the only link to it that i can find is broken
[18:51] <Pici> nlawson: On which page?
[18:51] <nlawson> PICI ... yes ... im working on an open source project
[18:51] <nlawson> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/maverick/beta/
[18:51] <nlawson> ubuntu-10.10-beta-dvd-amd64.iso
[18:51] <nlawson> that link is brooooken
[18:52] <nlawson> and i cant find anything else that would make sense to download at this point
[18:52] <Pici> nlawson: Its working here.
[18:52] <nlawson> grrr
[18:52] <nlawson> it didnt work in Internet Explorer
[18:53] <nlawson> i just tried it in firefox and its downloading now
[18:53] <nlawson> is that strange?
[18:53] <Pici> Nothing in IE strikes me as strange anymore.
[18:53] <nlawson> lol
[18:53] <nlawson> it might interest you to know that i am newly hired at a public media company
[18:54] <nlawson> to transition their entire operation over to open source solutions
[18:54] <nlawson> it could be a really interesting situation
[18:55] <nlawson> im actively looking for information and relationships that could prove mutually beneficial
[19:09] <ochosi> anyone on xubuntu maverick in here?
[19:17] <ChogyDan> anyone use multiple workspaces?  does the switcher show the proper number of columns?
[19:18] <ochosi> i assume you mean in ubuntu (i'm on xubuntu)
[19:18] <ChogyDan> ochosi: aye, gnome
[19:18] <Pici> ChogyDan: I didn't have an issue last time I looked.
[19:19] <ochosi> ChogyDan: k, sry then. but may i ask you something? could you check one of the gnome-games, e.g. mahjongg, if there's a pause and a highscore icon present?
[19:19] <ochosi> this bug prevails in xubuntu and i want to know whether ubuntu has the same issue
[19:20] <ChogyDan> ochosi: there is a pause button, though the graphic looks broken.  I can see the scores under the Game menu, but there doesn't seem to be a main button
[19:21] <ochosi> ChogyDan: okeydokey, thx for the heads-up. in this case i'll fix the bug in the xubuntu-icon theme
[19:23] <ChogyDan> fwiw, my workspace switcher only uses a single row, thus squeezing in lot's of columns
[19:32] <bullgard4> My Maverick Betacomputer shows the main »Documentation« directory under /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.35/linux-source-2.6.35/ . Ist this the default hierarchy? Looks somewhat strange.
[19:33] <xzenome> hi, I have a really odd issue with ubuntu
[19:33] <xzenome> maverick that is
[19:34] <xzenome> the display does not update and the sound gets stuck in a loop if I do not constantly either move the mouse or tap/hold a key
[19:34] <xzenome> can anyone help me at least work out enough of what's going on so that I can report a bug
[19:35] <xzenome> this is a critical bug for me, makes the system barely usable.
[19:35] <xzenome> oh, and it's obviously a regression on lucid, no problems there.
[19:36] <ChogyDan> xzenome: have you tried a different kernel?
[19:38] <xzenome> yes and no. Yes, in that since upgrading to Maverick I have received a kernel update or two through the repos. That said, this seems to have got worse over the past week to 2 weeks (problem existed in the boot up process from the start, but only now have I noticed it on the desktop).
[19:38] <xzenome> Do you recommend that I try a different kernel, if so, how?
[19:38] <ChogyDan> xzenome: hold shift at startup to get the grub menu
[19:39] <xzenome> ok. I'll try that now.
[19:45] <xzenome> @ChogyDan, that has solved the problems both in desktop mode and during boot up, where do I go from here?
[19:45] <xzenome> now at 2.6.32-24-generic
[19:46] <ChogyDan> xzenome: what was the broken kernel?
[19:46] <xzenome> It seems like it was the was 2.6.35-x
[19:46] <xzenome> I only have 2.6.32-x and 2.6.35-x installed
[19:47] <ChogyDan> xzenome: you can file a bug against linux with: `ubuntu-bug -p linux`             I think that is correct
[19:47] <xzenome> thanks
[19:50] <xzenome> @ChogyDan: I got most of the way through the process with ubuntu-bug and then it said this is not a valid ubuntu package
[19:50] <ChogyDan> really?
[19:51] <xzenome> yeah, haven't seen that one before...
[19:51] <xzenome> Is it possible to report manually without ubuntu-bug? or have they disabled that in lp
[19:52] <ChogyDan> xzenome: so you answered a couple of multiple choice questions first?
[19:52] <xzenome> yes
[19:52] <ChogyDan> xzenome: try again with just: `ubuntu-bug linux`
[19:53] <ChogyDan> xzenome: and you may want to do this while running the kernel, I'm not sure
[19:54] <xzenome> same issue
[19:54] <xzenome> I reckon it's because I'm not running the actual kernel...
[19:54] <xzenome> time for another reboot I suppose!
[19:54] <ChogyDan> xzenome: can you post your question in ubuntu-bugs?  I don't really know
[19:54] <xzenome> thanks for your help
[19:55] <Pici> What does apt-cache policy linux say? Is this package actually coming from Ubuntu or are you using the mainline ppa
[19:55] <Pici> oh well.
[19:56] <volodya> qq
[20:01] <volodya> +
[20:25] <MarkusT> Does the Ubuntu One music store work for you? I'm trying to access it with maverick, but I can't get past the "connecting" screen. Since I can't find a bug report, I guess it's only a problem for me? How do I debug the music store integration?
[20:32] <ovy>  will ubuntu 10.10 32bit dvd support GeForce FX5500 right from the box?
[20:53] <Some_Person> I get this when I try to install something with apt-get: N: Option 'APT::Acquire::Translation' is deprecated. Please use 'Acquire::Languages' instead, see 'man 5 apt.conf' for details.
[20:58] <pietro10> What's the best way to get packages like the older Visual C++ runtimes on the wine that comes from Synaptic? winetricks? Some third party repo?
[21:08] <thechitow> (nautilus:27670): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: No such interface `org.gtk.UniqueApp' on object at path /Factory
[21:08] <thechitow> Can anyone help me get my nautilus fixed?
[21:08] <thechitow> I get a DBus-Warning
[21:10] <Dink> Did you just run an update ?
[21:10] <Dink> thechitow, If so reboot and try again
[21:11] <thechitow> Dink, thanks ill get back to you in a second
[21:11] <Dink> !bugs
[21:11] <Dink> !bug 637704
[21:20] <corey> can anyone help me with meerkat 10.10?
[21:21] <corey> can anyone see me? im new to irc
[21:21] <Ian_corne> We can see you
[21:21] <corey> oh ok thanks
[21:21] <Dink> No I can't see you but I can read what you typed.
[21:21] <Ian_corne> Please state your specific question
[21:21] <corey> can't contact kded then kwin crashes
[21:22] <Ian_corne> Dink: don't have the video plugin of irssi yet? :p
[21:22] <corey> actually kwin crashes at start up and a few times during working on the system
[21:22] <corey> but cant contact kded at all
[21:22] <Dink> Ian_corne, lol knew I forgot something. ;)
[21:23] <corey> anyone have any idea what i can do
[21:24] <Dink> corey, sorry can't help. Don't use kde. Might want to poke around in launchpad for bugs regarding kded/kwin.
[21:24] <Dink> bugs.launchpad.net
[21:24] <corey> yeah i tried that and i tried the forums i cant get help anywhere
[21:31] <pietro10> What's the best way to get packages like the older Visual C++ runtimes on the wine that comes from Synaptic? winetricks? Some third party repo?
[21:33] <philsf> did the nautilus default view change recently to display files sorted by last change, instead of alphabetically?
[21:41] <duffydack> pietro10, winetricks is cool.
[21:42] <duffydack> pietro10,  with that I can install ms fonts without installing them system side which makes chrome look ugly (it only honours font settings when those ms fonts arent installed)
[21:43] <pietro10> ok then
[21:43] <pietro10> winetricks it is
[21:43] <duffydack> also great for installing steam.
[21:46] <pb_fanboy> is anyone here is able to run maverick in full screen mode inside virtual box?
[21:46] <pietro10> fixme:ole:DllRegisterServer stub wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to 0xc4e3f086 at address 0x7bc4716a (thread 0009), starting debugger...
[21:46] <pietro10> oh well
[21:46] <pietro10> :(
[21:46]  * iConfused is trying to get the compiz headtracking plugin working
[21:46] <duffydack> I once fought with that.. I gave in.
[21:46] <xcyclist> Anybody know of a known problem on 10.10 with FF where some socket oriented things perhaps stop working after the first time?
[21:47] <pietro10> duffydack: I was primarily interested in seeing if a particular piece of software in wine would not bypass my screen magnifier like it did on windows
[21:47] <pietro10> I've noticed that compiz forces opengl apps to behave nicely with its screen magnifier, but ZoomText doesn't :(
[21:48] <pietro10> (I write portable software so running win, mac, linux is essential to me =P )
[21:48] <corey> can anyone help me with mounting a partition inside kubuntu
[21:49] <pietro10> explain
[21:49] <iConfused> I want this plugin to work >.<
[21:49] <iConfused> And is it true that I can make a deb if I use checkinstall?
[21:50] <duffydack> yup
[21:52] <iConfused> Alright. Let's see what I can do. (I've gotta compile OpenCV, too. Might as well make debs if I can. Plus, it fits in better with the package manager that way)
[21:57] <Andre_Gondim> my gwibber don't delivery the post to identi.ca..
[22:01]  * pb_fanboy is trying this http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/1157-install-guest-addition-in-ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-fix
[22:03] <duffydack> will that work with non-ose, or will that work by default when the time comes...
[22:07] <pecos> how can i add a terminal icon on unr 10.10 using unity ? please give short path
[22:07] <duffydack> run it and right click it, keep i launcher
[22:07] <duffydack> keep in*
[22:09] <pecos> thank duffydack i will try in a while
[22:12] <pecos> duffydack i can't find the way to run terminal no icon no alt+f2 how can i find it
[22:12] <duffydack> applications in panel
[22:13] <duffydack> one of the monochrome icons in the panel, like files and folders
[22:14] <pecos> and is this my issue i dont have it... now i will try to install some meta package to install it this unr 10.10 coming from very early alpha release updated every day to send bug issue
[22:15] <ovy> will ubuntu 10.10 32bit dvd support GeForce FX5500 right from the box?
[22:15] <pecos> on top bar i have only the Ubuntu logo and notify on right
[22:15] <duffydack> pecos, its in there.. I used it today
[22:16] <duffydack> pecos, does ctrl alt T work?
[22:16] <pecos> ok
[22:16] <pecos> it works
[22:16] <duffydack> either way, its accessible from the panel on the left, with the applications icon..
[22:18] <pecos> ok i found right click on icon and i can keep to launchers
[22:18] <duffydack> same with removing any
[22:19] <duffydack> right click
[22:19] <pecos> duffy i suppose i have something to install like in ubuntu what is the meta package to installl --reinstall in ubuntu is ubuntu-desktop here what is the name?
[22:22] <pecos> dpkg -l | grep -i unity geve me simple unity is enougth to achieve/reload  the standard interface ?
[22:23] <duffydack> unity, afaik
[22:23] <duffydack> its a metapackage
[22:23] <pecos> i'm trying sudo apt-get --reinstall install unity, there is some place to view a standard unity screenshot or i must run a virtual pc to see it...?
[22:24] <duffydack> install before --reinstall.
[22:24] <duffydack> why do you need to see a standard unity install?
[22:25] <iConfused> Hehehe, I'm close to getting this working, methinks
[22:26] <duffydack> Im actually installing it in a vm, as we speak.
[22:26] <pecos> because my unr 10.10 is upgraded starting a month after the 10.04 and in ubuntu i discover sometimes running the meta package it install some additional/added packages thet don't come with standard updates/upgrades
[22:28] <duffydack> any upgrade should include the metapackage, which should upgrade
[22:28] <duffydack> install and remove apps.
[22:28] <duffydack> my maverick 'real' install does..
[22:29] <pecos> for example i add terminal just like you tell me but i have not in any app group and i cannot find any custom applications icon
[22:30] <duffydack> the bottom of the panel?
[22:30] <duffydack> there should be mono icons
[22:31] <duffydack> files and folders, application, trash
[22:31] <pecos> on the right i have not the term icon on the grouped icon i have: web, music, photos.. , games, email, office, files& .. and get new app so where my term icon claim to be ?
[22:33] <pecos> i have only a top panel...
[22:33] <RBecker> Hey guys, I updated from 10.04 to 10.10 beta, and GDM/X won't work.  When it boots it  gets stuck on Ubuntu 10.10 with the 4 dots, and I can drop to a terminal but I have no GUI.  I have NVIDIA graphics
[22:34] <duffydack> pecos, only top panel?  no left hand side dock?
[22:35] <pecos> yes i have top and left hands panel but not with added terminal icon
[22:36] <pecos> duffy ok my bad a was not click on keep on launchers
[22:36] <pecos> now i have the terminal icon
[22:37] <pecos> duffy last question what is the ourpouse of search on top toolbar ?
[22:38] <duffydack> to search for files/folders/apps
[22:39] <duffydack> this daily live netbook iso installed but isnt logging in.... meh
[22:39] <RBecker> hey there duffydack
[22:39] <RBecker> I'm still stuck at the same point I was at yesterday
[22:40] <duffydack> which is
[22:40] <RBecker> no GDM/X, only a tty
[22:40] <pecos> duffy so if i type gnome-terminal i can get result? what are the names i can search can you give me a name search sample to test if it works
[22:40] <RBecker> and a stuck boot  screen
[22:40] <duffydack> pecos, search is on top panel ?
[22:41] <pecos> yes
[22:41] <bjsnider> RBecker, get to a console
[22:41] <duffydack> pecos, its not for me.. its when I run one of the mono icons.. get to search for apps etc..
[22:42] <pecos> i click on mono and i have desktop with gruoped apps and what i can search in the search field need a sample to understand
[22:43] <pecos> new unity interface made me like a newbye
[22:45] <pecos> there are some online good demo or video about unity?
[22:45] <Wubbbi> Guys I have a problem. My internet connection is extrem slow, when I am on powersave. I found an issue in pm-powersave.log "cat: /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/enable: No such file or directory" ... but I dont have a wlan0 interface. But I am connected wih Wlan atm. how to solve?
[22:46] <duffydack> pecos,  I have it on a usb stick, i`ll reboot to live..
[22:49] <pecos> Wubbbi please check network-manager top right icon there is any wlan defined ?
[22:51] <Wubbbi> pecos: yes and I'm connected atm. I'm not on Powersave, so I can use it with normal speed. But when I'm in PS, I only have like 3.2kb/s xD
[22:52] <RBecker> Hey guys, I updated from 10.04 to 10.10 beta, and GDM/X won't work.  When it boots it  gets stuck on Ubuntu 10.10 with the 4 dots, and I can drop to a terminal but I have no GUI.  I have NVIDIA graphics
[22:52] <ovy> RBecker, same with me
[22:54] <bp0> pastbin your xorg.0.log somewhere
[22:56] <RBecker> bp0: ok
[22:56] <aBaldrich> Sorry to interrupt, I have a quick question: My HD has 1 large ext4 partition. If I run the 10.10 liveCD, will it let me re-partition my disk and set an independent /home partition?
[22:56] <RBecker> give me a couple of mins
[22:56] <RBecker> aBaldrich: it should
[22:56] <aBaldrich> thanks :)
[22:56] <RBecker> yup
[22:57] <Dulak> aBaldrich: yes when you install it should give you a partition list that'll let you rework your partitions however you like
[22:57] <pecos> RBecker https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+question/125820
[22:58] <RBecker> pecos: that's not my problem
[22:59] <pecos> RBecker: sorry
[23:00] <RBecker> it's k
[23:00] <RBecker> bp0: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/pPTyJtGj
[23:01] <RBecker> gdm is running, and I confirmed it because there's two gdm-binary's in htop, but no X anything
[23:01] <pecos> bp0: try https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+question/125820
[23:01] <duffydack> pecos, heres is a default unity from a daily live yesterday
[23:02] <duffydack> http://imgur.com/MpD26
[23:02] <tormod> RBecker, do you have the proprietary Nvidia driver installed?
[23:02] <RBecker> I believe so, how would i check?
[23:03] <pecos> Thanks duffy is pretty like like mine...
[23:03] <tormod> the old one got broken with xserver 1.9, I don't know if a new one is out
[23:03] <RBecker> I have version 256 installed
[23:03] <RBecker> the latest nvidia one
[23:04] <pecos> still not understand well how to use the "search" field... in unity
[23:05] <Milos_SD> Hi
[23:06] <duffydack> pecos, there is no search in mine
[23:06] <Milos_SD> is there a documentation of Ubuntu's Sound Indicator API? We gonna try to make a support for MPD.
[23:06] <duffydack> pecos, only when I select the mono launchers, files/folders, applications
[23:06] <Milos_SD> if it is even possible to  do that without changing mpd code ...
[23:06] <duffydack> pecos, then its just matter of typing anything,  'ter' shows gnome terminal.
[23:07] <pecos> please click on top left icon... you will get the search top panel search field
[23:07] <pecos> ubuntu icon
[23:08] <duffydack> I get the fancy menu
[23:08] <duffydack> web, graphics etc
[23:08] <RBecker> bp0: did you see my pastebin?
[23:09] <bp0> yes
[23:09] <bp0> do you have more than one gfx card?
[23:09] <pecos> same like me bur i have a top panel search field...?
[23:09] <bp0> like an onboard one and a card
[23:09] <RBecker> bp0, no, just onboard
[23:09] <duffydack> pecos, screenshot?
[23:10] <bp0> did you install the nvidia drivers from nvidia or through ubuntu's hardware drivers thing
[23:10] <pecos> i will try
[23:11] <RBecker> bp0: When Ubuntu was working, I used restricted drivers, but now I used drivers from nVIDIA's website
[23:11] <pecos> print screen don't grab any screenshot
[23:11] <RBecker> I removed nvidia-96 and nvidia-173 or whatever it was
[23:11] <duffydack> pecos, plain desktop will do
[23:12] <duffydack> or just run gnome-screenshot --interactive
[23:13] <pecos> ok plain do but i want try to send the "other" screenshoot  i will try
[23:13] <bp0> RBecker, using 32-bit ubuntu?
[23:14] <RBecker> bp0: yes
[23:15] <bjsnider> RBecker, how are we supposed to troubleshoot when you used a completely unsupported method of installing the nvidia driver?
[23:15] <RBecker> well what should I be doing?
[23:15] <Wubbbi> So guys what to do now? I'm connected via wifi atm but I dont have a wlan0 interface. How to get one?
[23:15] <pecos> ok duffy i will try to post on a website
[23:16] <bp0> RBecker, you have to use the unsupported method in the beta anyway because of a bug in the nvidia drivers that ubuntu passes out
[23:16] <bp0> so you might as well reinstall the 260 drivers anyway
[23:16] <RBecker> so how do I fix this?
[23:16] <bp0> well try this...
[23:17] <bjsnider> bp0, what bug is that?
[23:17] <bp0> RBecker, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/JP5WsGP4
[23:18] <bp0> the text rendering using the 256 drivers that ubuntu gives out is very slow
[23:18] <bp0> so scrolling windows is about 1fps
[23:18] <RBecker> I'll try that right now bp0
[23:18] <bp0> in xchat for example
[23:18] <bjsnider> oh, right. that is ubuntu's fault i guess
[23:19] <RBecker> and I didn't install the 256 through restricted drivers, I did that yesterday through NVIDIA's website
[23:19] <bjsnider> ubuntu builds all of the shared libs and hte kernel module now i suppose
[23:19] <bp0> nobody was passing blame, just saying that ubuntu's packages nvidia drivers have the bug
[23:20] <bp0> apparently there was some change in x that actually caused it, nvidia released a new fix, ubuntu hasnt packaged it yet
[23:20] <bp0> thats all
[23:20] <bjsnider> where are your references to all of that?
[23:20] <bp0> so you've got to use the direct from nvidia 260 drivers
[23:20] <pecos> duffyduck: http://www.elart.it/Schermata.png
[23:20] <bp0> which are beta,
[23:21] <bp0> the readme that comes with the 260 drivers
[23:21] <bp0> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=155137
[23:22] <pecos> duffydack: http://www.elart.it/Schermata.png
[23:22] <bp0> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/nvidia-graphics-laggy-ubuntu-fix/
[23:22] <duffydack> pecos, you are missing some
[23:22] <bp0> @ bjsnider
[23:22] <duffydack> pecos, see my screenshot..
[23:23] <duffydack> pecos, I get that menu also, and you can search fine, but I also have other icons in the dock on the left...
[23:23] <duffydack> pecos, then again, maybe an update has removed them since yesterday,., I dont know.
[23:24] <RBecker> bp0: I get an error trying to install the drivers
[23:25] <bjsnider> bp0, i was unaware that nvidia had released an updated driver. i will get it into the x-updates ppa asap. until then, please stop telling people to nuke their xorg/mesa system by installing the .run files. those files are not compatible with ubuntu since lucid
[23:25] <pecos> duffydack: i update/upgrade right now
[23:26] <RBecker> bjsnider: do you think I should have the x-udpdates ppa in my sources.list so hopefully I can become fixed, or can you suggest something without the .run files, like you said?
[23:27] <bjsnider> RBecker, anyone who's used the .run files is in a bad situation and there is no proven way to get out of it (other than a wipe/reload)
[23:27] <RBecker> so basically I'm screwed and have to reinstall ubuntu?
[23:28] <bp0> I've got those drivers running in ubuntu 10.10 beta
[23:28] <bjsnider> those files have for years overwritten linux files which is why madriva came up with a way to package them safer (which we use)
[23:28] <bp0> the 260 nvidia drivers
[23:29] <bp0> RBecker, what is the error?
[23:29] <pecos> duffydack: i'm suppose i have something missing in my env, if after updates i can't get icons like yours, i will try to add a new user to compare with the old one might be i will get the standard icons
[23:29] <bjsnider> bp0, btw, the issue with the slow antialiased text had nothing to do with the way ubuntu packages the blob. it was an nvidia issue. that's why nvidia fixed it.
[23:30] <duffydack> pecos, grab a daily live, put to usb and boot..as good a comparison as you will get
[23:31] <pecos> duffydack:  sure i will do, many thanks for your support
[23:31] <bp0> i didnt say it was... jesus.. i said there was an issue with a change in X, and that nvidia released a fixed beta driver, version 260, but ubuntu was still giving out 256
[23:31] <bp0> i never said it was ubuntu's problem, just that if you wanted it fixed you needed the 260 drivers
[23:31] <bp0> that you couldn't get from ubuntu
[23:31] <duffydack> pecos, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/
[23:32] <pecos> duffydack: i use zsync every days many thanks
[23:32] <duffydack> :0
[23:32] <duffydack> :)
[23:33] <duffydack> zsync is an amazing tool
[23:33] <RBecker> ERROR: An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia' appears to be already loaded in your kernel.  This may be because it is in use (for example, by the X server), but may also happen if your kernel was configured without support for module unloading.  Please be sure you have exited X before attempting to update your driver.  If you have exited X, know that your kernel supports module unloading, and still receive this message, then an error may have occured that h
[23:33] <pecos> duffydack:  and i keep spread torrent with all beta and stable from 5 pc
[23:33] <duffydack> you must have wicked internet then...
[23:34] <pecos> different lan
[23:34] <pecos> top launchpad ubuntu contributors here ;-)
[23:37] <pecos> duffydack: all my friends have that i have ssh access (firewalled) have btlaunchmany active at startup with ubuntu iso
[23:37] <duffydack> ok
[23:38] <pecos> duffydack: and they are aware of it...
[23:38] <plovs> i! i am running 10.10 beta, and have a hang at "Checking bettery state" anybody know how to get past this?, i can't even get to grub
[23:39] <bp0> RBecker, did you stop gdm?
[23:39] <RBecker> bp0: Yes, service gdm stop
[23:40] <bp0> stopping gdm should have stopped x
[23:41] <RBecker> what's X's stop command?
[23:41] <plovs> anybody know how i can boot into init 1? i can't get into grub
[23:41] <traskmind> Is there a way I can use Claws Mail instead of Evolution in the Messaging Menu?
[23:42] <plovs> RBecker: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:42] <RBecker> you don
[23:42] <RBecker> don't need to include the sudo, I'm logged in as root
[23:43] <bp0> service gdm stop == /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:43] <RBecker> it's telling me to use service
[23:43] <RBecker> instead of invoking /etc/init.d scripts
[23:44] <RBecker> gdm is stopped
[23:44] <bp0> lsmod | grep nvidia
[23:45] <RBecker> nvidia 10207522 4, appgart 32011 1 nvidia
[23:47] <bp0> ps x | grep bin/X
[23:47] <RBecker> root@RYAN-DESKTOP:~# ps x | grep /bin/X
[23:47] <RBecker>  3380 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto /bin/X
[23:47] <RBecker> (I'm SSHed)
[23:48] <bp0> lspci -v | grep nvidia
[23:49] <RBecker> root@RYAN-DESKTOP:~# lspci -v | grep nvidia
[23:49] <RBecker>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[23:49] <RBecker>         Kernel modules: nvidia, nouveau, nvidiafb
[23:49] <bp0> ok try: rmmod nvidia
[23:49] <RBecker> ERROR: Module nvidia is in use
[23:49] <bp0> ok try: rmmod -f nvidia
[23:49] <soee> does the plymouth works under 64 bit v?
[23:50] <RBecker> root@RYAN-DESKTOP:~# rmmod -f nvidia
[23:50] <RBecker> ERROR: Removing 'nvidia': Resource temporarily unavailable
[23:51] <bp0> hm
[23:51] <RBecker> is there a way to stop GDM from running on boot?
[23:52] <RBecker> like mv it out of /etc/init,d?
[23:52] <RBecker> init.d*
[23:52] <bp0> gdm and x are not running, the reason you cant remove nvidia, i think, is because appgart is using it
[23:53] <RBecker> should I kill it?
[23:53] <bp0> well i dont know if you can, but sure try
[23:53] <bp0> rmmod appgart
[23:53] <bp0> rmmod nvidia
[23:53] <RBecker> ERROR: Module appgart does not exist in /proc/modules
[23:54] <RBecker> OH
[23:54] <RBecker> it's agpgart
[23:54] <bp0> agpgart
[23:54] <bp0> yeah
[23:54] <RBecker> I typed it in wrong
[23:54] <RBecker> ERROR: Module agpgart is in use by nvidia
[23:54] <bp0> heh
[23:54] <RBecker> should I -f it?
[23:54] <bp0> try
[23:54] <RBecker> ERROR: Removing 'agpgart': Resource temporarily unavailable
[23:55] <bp0> ok, then blacklist nvidia and nouveau and restart
[23:55] <bp0> gdm shouldn't start
[23:55] <RBecker> how?
[23:55] <RBecker> how do I blacklist
[23:55] <bp0> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:57] <bp0> at the top add:
[23:57] <bp0> blacklist nouveau
[23:57] <bp0> blacklist nvidia
[23:57] <RBecker> I did that
[23:57] <RBecker> rebooting now
[23:58] <bp0> once you're back in, you should remove the blacklist nvidia line and then try the installer again
[23:59] <RBecker> ok, I gotta reboot this machine real quick, Xandros decided to act up
[23:59] <RBecker> I shall return
[23:59] <RBecker> brb