[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[05:52] <didrocks> good morning
[05:57] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[05:58] <didrocks> ça va pitti ? :)
[05:59] <didrocks> bien rentré hier ?
[05:59] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, merci !
[05:59] <didrocks> comment était la première classe ?
[05:59] <hikiko> hello
[05:59] <pitti> oui, le voyage était punctuel et calm, bien pour travailler
[05:59] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[06:00] <hikiko> hi didrocks et pitti :)
[06:00] <pitti> hey hikiko, how are you?
[06:01] <hikiko> I am fine :) thanks
[07:33] <Sarvatt> darkxst: did i properly add you to the ppa-purge team? sorry its 2 am here
[07:34] <darkxst> Sarvatt, yes, thanks
[07:35] <Sarvatt> ppa-purge has been busted for years, i have to put an updated one in every ppa to use it since multiarch happened. i couldnt upload it to ubuntu
[07:40] <darkxst> Sarvatt, the archive version has my multiarch patches since 2012
[07:40] <darkxst> its the soname handling that breaks things badly for the more invasive ppa's
[07:43] <darkxst> Sarvatt, I will merge my fixes and get it uploaded, do you have any other patches in your ppa versions?
[07:58] <larsu> good morning!
[07:59] <hikiko> Hi larsu darkxst et al
[07:59] <darkxst> hi hikiko larsu
[08:00] <larsu> hey hikiko and darkxst :)
[08:00] <didrocks> good morning larsu, darkxst!
[08:00] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[08:01] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[08:44] <andyrock> morning all
[08:44] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[08:48] <andyrock> 424397
[08:48] <andyrock> ops sorry :)
[08:50] <pitti> hey larsu!
[08:50]  * pitti waves to darkxst and andyrock
[08:52] <larsu> morning pitti!
[08:53] <larsu> andyrock: morning. time for a new password?
[08:53] <pitti> oh, that wasn't a bug number? :-)
[08:53] <andyrock> ahahaha
[08:53] <andyrock> not a password
[08:53] <andyrock> but a one time code
[08:53] <larsu> glad to hear :)
[08:53] <andyrock> feel free to use it ;)
[08:54]  * larsu changes his root password to that
[08:54] <larsu> (but don't tell anyone)
[08:54] <pitti> 1234 - the same combination as on my luggage!
[08:54]  * pitti goes to Mr. Coffee
[08:54] <larsu> :D
[09:06] <darkxst> hey pitti
[09:09] <darkxst> pitti, packagekit transition is starting?
[09:10] <pitti> darkxst: for apt 1.1, yes; no idea about PK itself
[09:13] <darkxst> pitti, ah ok, btw does anything else use the packagekit what-provides locale plugin, or only us?
[09:16] <pitti> darkxst: I don't know TBH; ubiquity uses check-language-support which doesn't use PK, and the language-selector frontends use it directly too
[09:16] <pitti> language-selector also provides the PackageKit plugin; I had thought that e. g. the Kubuntu control panel uses that
[09:16] <pitti> (for installing languages)
[09:17] <darkxst> pitti, we use it in gnome-control-center, doubt Kubuntu use it since they already switched to apt-cc
[09:17] <pitti> ah yes, it can't work with apt-cc
[09:17] <pitti> darkxst: so does upstream g-c-c call PK, or is that an ubuntu-gnome patch?
[09:18] <pitti> darkxst: it could potentially be changed to either call language-selector-gtk instead of the g-c-c native panel, or that needs to be patched to figure out the necessary packages from check-language-support and install them through e. g. sessioninstaller
[09:18] <darkxst> pitti, its an ubuntu-gnome patch, upstream wouldn't take it, since no one else implements the what-provides locale
[09:19] <pitti> ok; as apparently PK plugins are a dead end, we should get off that then
[09:19] <pitti> there's no plugin support in PK any more?
[09:19] <Trevinho> morning from a sad london office without our fantastic #ubuntu-desktop graffiti 😢
[09:19] <darkxst> pitti yes I am aware of that
[09:19] <darkxst> pitti, pitti, I think ximion was ok with porting directly into apt-cc, but only as fallback. they want to eventually implement it via metadata though
[09:49] <seb128> good morning desktop!
[09:49] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ? c'est tard pour toi
[09:50] <seb128> salut pitti
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, greeting from the London office
[09:50] <seb128> ça va bien
[09:50] <seb128> et toi ?
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: oh, tu es à Londres -- il y a un sprint ?
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: moi, je vais bien, merci ! retour chez moi, c'était un rentré calme
[09:51] <seb128> non, juste quelques réunion avec design pour parler de GtkHeaderBar et qq autres choses
[09:51] <seb128> bien
[09:52] <Trevinho> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/drop-gconf/+merge/280120
[10:13] <pitti> didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Test_request_format has a new "env" option now
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: as for VCS support, what do you need more urgently? git or bzr?
[10:14] <didrocks> pitti: you ROCK \o/
[10:14] <didrocks> pitti: git if possible (but again, not that urgent ;))
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: oh, isn't it? I thought your jenkins was going away in two weeks
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, I'll add it now, it shouldn't be that much work
[10:15] <didrocks> pitti: I mean, it's not like "for tomorrow" but yeah, before jenkins goes away
[10:20] <seb128> pitti, didrocks, do you remember if there is a standard script to retry builds?
[10:20] <didrocks> autopkgtest? I don't really know (but I'll make one anyway for ubuntu make)
[10:21] <didrocks> basically wrapping curl :)
[10:24] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, unping, "ubuntu-build" it is
[10:40] <didrocks> hum, the nautilus overlay is quite… annoying
[10:41] <didrocks> (the "internal" notification happening on top of tabs with a transparent background)
[10:41] <didrocks> like "file moved"
[10:42] <seb128> what part?
[10:42] <seb128> the transparent background is a theme bug I think
[10:42] <seb128> if that's what you find annoying
[10:42] <didrocks> yeah, I guess we are talking about the same thing
[10:42] <didrocks> let me screenshot it
[10:42] <seb128> I know what you mean
[10:42] <didrocks> ok ;)
[10:43] <seb128> I was just wondering if you find the concept disturbing
[10:43] <seb128> or only the bug
[10:43] <didrocks> the transparent background is obviously a bug, as you can't read it
[10:43] <didrocks> is there a cancel button or anything?
[10:43] <seb128> right
[10:43] <seb128> I don't think so
[10:43] <seb128> it's displayed after the operation is done
[10:43] <didrocks> ok, so shouldn't it just be a notification if… ?
[10:44] <seb128> like notify-osd notification?
[10:44] <didrocks> yeah, it's a kind of notification that nautilus is displaying
[10:44] <didrocks> unsure, but it's a little bit puzzling to have "internal" ones
[10:45] <seb128> right, maybe they though it was not important enough to notify you with a session notification
[10:45] <seb128> but yeah
[10:45] <didrocks> I'm not 100% certain it's the right thing to do
[10:45] <didrocks> I just find the concept weird
[10:46] <didrocks> let's see first once the theme is fixed
[10:46] <seb128> right
[10:46] <seb128> good thing to ask to design about today I guess
[10:46] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[10:56] <Trevinho> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/nautilus/folders-in-new-windows/+merge/280130 :)
[11:07] <seb128> larsu, hey
[11:07] <seb128> larsu, how are you?
[11:09] <seb128> larsu, I'm playing with lp:~larsu/unity-control-center/datetime-use-geonames and it doesn't work well for me
[11:09] <seb128> if I type a full name quicky, e.g "berlin" it doesn't list any result
[11:09] <seb128> if I do type "ber" and stop and then type "i" and "n" then it's fine
[11:09] <seb128> do you see the same?
[11:12] <Laney> hey!
[11:12] <tjaalton> seb128: btw, the scroll issue you had with -libinput, file a bug with output from touchpad-edge-detector. it needs to be fixed in udev..
[11:13] <seb128> hey Laney!
[11:13] <seb128> tjaalton, it's a by device issue?
[11:13] <tjaalton> yes, some axis range needs adjusting
[11:14] <seb128> where/against what component should that be filed?
[11:14] <tjaalton> systemd :)
[11:14] <tjaalton> lp is fine
[11:14] <seb128> oh, it's a pitti bog!
[11:15]  * pitti does a jump to the left
[11:15] <tjaalton> can then test stuff for /lib/udev/hwdb.d/60-evdev.hwdb
[11:17] <seb128> tjaalton, k, I'm going to try to have a look tomorrow
[11:17] <tjaalton> sure
[11:17] <tjaalton> assign to me then
[11:17] <seb128> thanks
[11:17] <seb128> (not today because I'm at the office and don't have the latitude with me)
[11:24] <Trevinho> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-config/+bug/1523508
[11:31] <larsu> seb128: hm no let me check
[11:33] <seb128> larsu, hey :-)
[11:33] <larsu> how's London?
[11:33] <seb128> no sun here :-/
[11:33] <seb128> but the office is nice :-)
[11:33] <seb128> and the coffee machine works this time!
[11:33] <larsu> haha nice
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, try http://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/Monitor_1-26-2015_2.icc
[11:56] <Laney> dark!
[11:56] <Sweet5hark1> <- just succeeded in building 55 bundled packages/dep for LibreOffice in snapcraft ...
[11:57] <Sweet5hark1> ... now on to get vcl and friends to compile against gtk etc. ....
[11:58] <seb128> larsu, let me know if any debug info could be useful. That's on my inspiron machine so quite slow box (though the hdd is ssd) unsure what that does to timings
[12:10] <larsu> seb128: will let you know (debugging something else right now but will come to that in a bit)
[12:10] <seb128> larsu, k
[12:13] <seb128> larsu, also did you merge back https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/geonames/+git/reviewchanges/+merge/280044 ?
[12:13] <seb128> or should I just push?
[12:13] <larsu> feel free to push ;)
[12:15] <Trevinho> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13892145/
[13:54] <Sweet5hark1> lets see if i broke into more than 200 packages for the snap by now ...
[15:30] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: that's going to be LibreofficeOS..
[15:34] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: LibreOfficeOS: such snappy, much click, wow snapcraft!
[16:01] <Laney> didrocks: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm don't be sad
[16:01] <Laney> maybe get a nice green tea before you look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229602582/buildlog_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_ubuntu-gnome_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:02] <didrocks> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[16:02] <didrocks> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:02] <didrocks> hum
[16:02] <didrocks> rmdir: failed to remove '/lib/plymouth/': No such file or directory
[16:02] <didrocks> IIRC, I added some options, like for others
[16:02] <didrocks> let me look :)
[16:06] <didrocks> Laney: ok, I don't understand how the ubuntu image built then
[16:07] <didrocks> it should have failed the same way, on the -text postinst
[16:07] <seb128> cyphermox did an upload as well
[16:07] <seb128> in case you didn't notice
[16:07] <didrocks> ah, I didn't see that
[16:07] <didrocks> let me look
[16:08] <didrocks> ok, makes sense
[16:08] <didrocks> so yeah, I was going to do the same fix
[16:08] <didrocks> it's working well on upgrade as /lib/plymouth exists
[16:08] <didrocks> but rmdir -p --ignore-fail-on-non-empty /lib/plymouth fails if there is nothing
[16:09] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox :)
[16:09] <didrocks> I still think we should fix those packages in the great scheme of things
[16:10] <didrocks> they are doing sed "…" /usr/share/plymouth/<blah>.in >  /usr/share/plymouth/<blah> in postinst
[16:10] <cyphermox> didrocks: yeah, sorry. I noticed this and fixed it because it was blocking me while I do countless d-i installs with debootstrap testing my d-i merges
[16:11] <didrocks> cyphermox: no worry, of course, upgrades were fine, didn't think about that case. Sorry you had to do this :)
[16:11] <cyphermox> grub-installer gave me some trouble, and I kind of need to succeed at installing to get it to run ;)
[16:11]  * didrocks fixes other cases of this
[16:11] <didrocks> cyphermox: you did the right thing :)
[16:14] <didrocks> Laney: you want this guy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/16.04.2
[16:15] <Laney> |O|
[16:15] <didrocks> I just fix kubuntu in a sec, all others are fine
[16:20] <Trevinho> infinity: hey... Can I be added to the ~ubuntu-release-nominators group?
[16:24] <didrocks> (kubuntu fixed)
[16:25] <flocculant> hi didrocks - I came back here just in case :p
[16:26] <didrocks> flocculant: great! I'll keep you posted ;)
[16:26] <flocculant> cheers :)
[16:36] <Trevinho> willcooke: can you target this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1057008 to xenial?
[16:36] <Trevinho> and this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1063823
[16:36] <willcooke> I think you mean this one ;)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1057008
[16:51] <seb128> larsu, did you try that geonames issue?
[16:53] <infinity> Trevinho: Bugs shouldn't need targeting to the devel release, that's the default anyway.
[16:54] <seb128> that's how things that need to be fixed for release are marked down no?
[16:55] <infinity> Not by creating xenial tasks, no.
[16:55] <infinity> By targeting to milestones, sure.
[16:55] <larsu> seb128: no, sorry
[16:55] <larsu> you want to upload now?
[16:55] <infinity> Though, I suppose every team does things differently.  *shrug*
[16:56] <Laney> infinity: That's how the rls-x-tracking bugs work
[16:56] <Laney> s/bugs/report/
[16:56] <Laney> unless that can look at a milestone too?
[16:57] <seb128> larsu, I would like to get that landed before my holidays which is 3 or 4 work days now
[16:57] <seb128> and I feel like it's getting tight
[16:57] <seb128> need to the u-c-c working and merge proposed and the lib promoted
[16:57] <larsu> ok
[16:57] <seb128> and the thing landing
[16:58] <seb128> well I guess I would like the nautilus menubar as well
[16:58] <seb128> but can't get everything :p
[16:58] <seb128> u-c-c first would be nice though, it's more of a new feature
[16:58] <larsu> indeed
[17:35] <seb128> xnox, Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/no-gcc-recommends/+merge/280179
[17:47] <cyphermox> have we modified some icon scale thing recently? on the image I see the ubiquity and Examples icons on the desktop are huge
[17:47] <cyphermox> (in a VM)
[17:50] <Laney> nautilus new default
[17:51] <cyphermox> ah, cool, thanks
[17:51] <cyphermox> do we care about changing the value?
[17:52] <cyphermox> (not that I mind the size, but is it consistent with the design... etc)
[17:52] <Laney> we might do
[17:52] <cyphermox> ok
[17:52] <Laney> but it's at least expected/known
[17:52] <Laney> so no need to worry yet
[17:53] <cyphermox> what's the current size now, 128x128?
[17:53] <cyphermox> do you know if a bug was filed about it? otherwise I can file one so we don't forget about it
[17:55] <cyphermox> let's see how badly I broke ubiquity recently...
[17:56] <Trevinho> xnox: G_GNUC_BEGIN_IGNORE_DEPRECATIONS ... G_GNUC_END_IGNORE_DEPRECATIONS
[17:57] <Trevinho> xnox_: ^
[18:07]  * Sweet5hark1 cant snappify libreoffice: ran out of discspace
[18:32] <achiang> howdy, anyone familiar with ubuntu-make, and how to get it to list the packages it's installed already?
[18:33] <achiang> poking around in the --help output doesn't reveal anything
[19:53] <ogra_> achiang, try tomorrow during EU hours .. thats didrocks' baby


[10:41] <greyback> alan_g: qtmir still building ok for me here after all updates
[10:42] <alan_g> greyback: it is working for me in CI, but now failing locally!
[10:43] <greyback> alan_g: zesty I presume. Care to share the error message?
[10:44] <alan_g> X+O actually, I got a compile error (wrong version of dep I guessed) on Zesty so switched to my test laptop for qtmir
[10:45] <greyback> oh, let me try that
[10:45]  * alan_g should try Zesty again
[11:10] <alan_g> greyback: on Zesty I have "Broken qtmir-build-deps:amd64 Depends on libubuntu-app-launch3-dev:amd64...I can't find libubuntu-app-launch3-dev:amd64"
[11:19] <greyback> alan_g: I don't have a libubuntu-app-launch3-dev installed, only 2-dev. But I do have  libubuntu-app-launch3 installed. Both with equal versions. You might be on to something
[11:32] <alan_g> greyback: not sure what's going on. But cmake says "No package 'ubuntu-app-launch-3' found" and I apt search doesn't find it.
[11:33] <greyback> alan_g: it is in zesty-proposed
[11:33] <alan_g> Ah. I'm on the plain archive.
[11:34]  * alan_g will stick to X+O for qtmir today
[11:34] <greyback> alan_g: which should be fine. I presume it got stuck in release
[11:35] <alan_g> A bit odd that I see libubuntu-app-launch3 but not -dev, but SEP
[11:35] <greyback> that confuses me too
[11:36] <greyback> afaics it should pass through proposed fairly soon
[11:38] <greyback> On X+O I do get a lttng fail when running tests though, that is new
[11:42] <alan_g> Glad to have that confirmed, but CI seems to have recovered from that - so I'm losing interest. (OTOH I don't know why my laptop hasn't)
[11:46]  * alan_g has found a (probably) Mir bug to track down instead
[13:44] <dandrader> alan_g, confirm_inherited_move takes a Displacement and returns a Rectangle. Does that mean that a movement can affect the window's dimensions!?
[13:45] <dandrader> alan_g, if the policy wants to do it, that is
[13:48] <dandrader> alan_g, but that also means that the policy has to be careful enough when filling the returned Rectangle if it doesn't want to affect the window size there...
[13:55] <alan_g> dandrader: that's right
[14:13] <dandrader> alan_g, can MirWindowVisibility affect MirWindowState? Ie, if a window is mir_window_visibility_occluded, can miral refuse to apply certain state changes?
[14:14] <alan_g> By miral do you mean libmiral or a server using it?
[14:16] <dandrader> alan_g, miral or mir
[14:16] <alan_g> dandrader: no, I can't see a reason to do that
[14:17] <dandrader> alan_g, what about a window that is not "ready" yet?
[14:18] <dandrader> alan_g, can that affect state changes?
[14:18] <alan_g> dandrader: no, I can't see a reason to do that
[14:18] <dandrader> alan_g, ok
[14:19] <dandrader> trying to make sense of a strange behavior in unity8
[14:19]  * alan_g feels he hasn't understood the real question
[14:19] <alan_g> Ah! U8 is often a mystery to me.
[14:19] <dandrader> :)
[14:23]  * davmor2 hands alan_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgee3IGYZsU
[14:24]  * alan_g suspects rickrolling
[14:25] <davmor2> alan_g: I promise it isn't
[14:26] <davmor2> alan_g: it's just an apt song for your U8 knowledge :D
[14:26] <alan_g> Is Toyah better?
[14:27] <davmor2> alan_g: Hey I know way more annoying songs
[14:28] <greyback> that's true, he does
[14:28] <alan_g> LOL


[15:22] <studio-user557> helouuu
[15:23] <studio-user557> is anyone here
[15:23] <slidinghorn> o/  studio-user557 (you might want to change your name so its easier to talk to you
[15:25] <studio-user557> which is best editing software for linux
[15:25] <studio-user557> video
[15:25] <studio-user557> editing?
[15:30] <slidinghorn> kdenlive
[15:30] <slidinghorn> imo
[17:25] <windowsrefund> hello
[17:26] <windowsrefund> if I use the 18.10's new Ubuntu Studio Controls to configure jack, should I stop using qjackctl?
[20:27] <OvenWerks> windowsrefund: yes, stop using qjackctl to start or stop jack. Let controls do that. However, qjackctl's connections window is ok to use for making connections if that is easier than using patchage.
[20:30] <windowsrefund> interesting
[20:30] <windowsrefund> ok
[20:31] <windowsrefund> what about a2jmidid?
[20:31] <windowsrefund> i've been using qjackctl to start it
[20:31] <OvenWerks> windowsrefund: controls will auto start that
[20:31] <windowsrefund> oh
[20:33] <OvenWerks> controls starts jack at session start (if that is enabled) has pulse set to only see jack as a device, allows other devices to also be connected to jack via zita-ajbridge, start a2jmidid.... and autoconnects any new usb device that get plugged in.
[20:34] <OvenWerks> It is made for new users who just expect to be able to do anything with anything even though they shouldn't :P
[20:35] <OvenWerks> the idea is to help those with a USB mic that figure they now have a pro audio setup...
[20:37] <windowsrefund> cool