[01:00] <wonko> OvenWerks: as long as the devices stay plugged into the same ports they *should* always scan in the same order. That's a pretty terrible way to live though so something based on serial number is probably best.
[02:57] <OvenWerks> wonko: Yeah, it is easy enough to find if that is the same as usbid
[02:58] <OvenWerks> wonko: I am just wondering if a device that uses the same chip and the serial is not set ends up with the same serial number.
[02:59] <OvenWerks> or if that has to be setup outside the chip for it to work.
[02:59] <wonko> I've been kicked off my computer by the 4 year old but I can poke around later
[03:17] <OvenWerks> wonko: just looking at the PCM2912A from TI (an all in one audio to USB to audio chip... mic in phones out)
[03:18] <OvenWerks> wonko: the data sheet says "Serialnumber - Not supported"
[03:19] <OvenWerks> So at least in some cases, two devices the same can not be separated by SN
[03:19] <OvenWerks> There is no provision in this chip for setting anything from outside the chip either.
[03:48] <wonko> yeah, running usb-devices shows how random and useless that is. The KA6 gives a serial (but NI cares about that) whereas other devices either give no serial or give some totally BS serial, like this camera. I don't think SerialNumber=Ucamera002 is the read serial number. :)
[03:51] <OvenWerks> wonko, I don't care if it is real... so long as it is unique
[03:52] <OvenWerks> it may be in the end that we worry more about the physical usb port being used
[03:54] <OvenWerks> wonko: as happens I do have two devices that seem to have the same chip from c-media but still have different manufature id and product id... but then c-media's chips all seem to support wriable man/prod ids.
[03:57] <OvenWerks> wonko: at least one other person seems to have come across the same problem and has a script that deals with "same vendor, product and serial id"
[03:58] <OvenWerks> they look at: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/* stuff
[04:59] <OvenWerks> Souler: have you tried running ffado-mixer?
[05:00] <OvenWerks> does it say if you have internal of external clock?
[05:48] <OvenWerks> wonko: I have three USB audio devices plugged in, none of them have a serial numb er other than 0.
[05:51] <OvenWerks> wonko: so... I think I will use the name (minus any _1 or other number), the USB man/prod and the usbbus (bus/unit I think)
[05:53] <OvenWerks> It is interesting that my two c-medis devices say they have manufacture=Intel but they and the other USB device all show up as "Device" so I suspect they are all the same chip but flashed with different manufactures :P
[06:04] <b7jl> hi, i'm thinking about installing ubuntu studio, but I'm worried that the learning curve on the audio tools will be too steep
[06:04] <b7jl> my audio skills are very analog
[06:05] <b7jl> any advice for me on this?
[06:05] <OvenWerks> Ardour generally follows analong mixing style
[06:05]  * OvenWerks can't spell very well.
[06:05] <b7jl> sounds good...
[06:06] <OvenWerks> try looking at some of the screen shots at ardour.org
[06:06] <b7jl> i'm fine with ubuntu, some scripting, etc
[06:06] <OvenWerks> but really any DAW has some learning curve.
[06:07] <b7jl> yeah some of the screenshots I've seen seem intense
[06:07] <OvenWerks> you should not need much scripting
[06:08]  * b7jl goes to look at ardour.org
[06:08] <OvenWerks> for many things you can pretty much ignore the edit screen and deal with the mixer screen
[06:09]  * b7jl returns
[06:10] <b7jl> I've just gotta dive in, I think
[06:13] <OvenWerks> pretty much yes
[06:34] <b7jl> any hardware gotchas I should be aware of? can I basically expect it to run on any machine that meets the system requirements?
[06:36] <OvenWerks> Assuming you are using USB audio... it may take some fiddling. In particular try it in each USB port on the computer to see which is most stable
[06:36] <b7jl> ok
[06:37] <OvenWerks> system requirements are not really a minimum kind of a deal.
[06:37] <b7jl> yeah
[06:37] <OvenWerks> When people in the computer world talk performance, they mean throughput
[06:37] <b7jl> I can get my hands on a nice newish dell that I am planning to use
[06:38] <OvenWerks> for audio we want the ability to meat deadlines
[06:38] <OvenWerks> I have been using an i5 (four cores no hyperthread) with no problem
[06:41] <b7jl> good to know
[06:42] <OvenWerks> one of the big things is to get the cpu to run at a steady speed. not slower when idle and speed up for heavy use. Audio tends to glitch at the slow down point and actually runs better at the lowest speed than with ondemand, but performance mode (always full speed) is best
[06:43] <OvenWerks> studio-controls allows setting this.
[06:43] <b7jl> hmmm, I have lots to learn
[06:43] <b7jl> this is good intel though
[06:44] <OvenWerks> most things have been well tested with intel
[06:44] <b7jl> haha I meant intel in the sense of intelligence -- good info i mean
[06:44] <OvenWerks> Intel has people who add bits to the linux kernel to make sure Intel cpus work well with Linux
[06:44] <OvenWerks> :)
[06:44] <OvenWerks> sorry
[06:45] <b7jl> my bad
[06:45] <OvenWerks> I am used to it, there are people on here from around the world
[06:45] <b7jl> yep
[06:45] <OvenWerks> My wife is also from half way around the world
[06:49] <OvenWerks> another thing to remember is that harrisonconsols MixBus is based on Ardour and so their tutolials can be useful https://harrisonconsoles.com/
[06:49] <OvenWerks> tutorials
[06:50]  * b7jl goes to take a look at
[06:52] <OvenWerks> harrisonconsols trion digital consols do use AMD computers for audio processing so I know it is possible with them as well
[06:55] <b7jl> what tool should I learn first? there seem to be a lot of complementary components, but I should probably start with the basics
[06:55] <b7jl> ardour?
[06:56] <OvenWerks> If you are used to analog signal flows yes.
[06:56] <b7jl> ok
[06:56] <OvenWerks> qtractor is a tracker, so is lmms.
[06:57] <b7jl> just knowing where to start is a big help
[06:57] <b7jl> so thank you for this
[06:57] <OvenWerks> qtractor can record audio just fine as well, but lmms can't
[06:58] <OvenWerks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTAKv4htDE is an Ardour intro that may help. Unfa does a lot of stuff with Ardour but he is more of a sound designer than recordist
[06:59] <b7jl> I mean, I'll want to record my guitar, etc, but I'm also very excited about computationally generated sounds
[06:59] <OvenWerks> like take the sound of opening a can of evaporated milk and make a whole song of it
[07:00] <b7jl> that video is long; i'll watch it later. it's been bookmarked
[07:00] <OvenWerks> no surprise :) unfa's videos tend towards long
[07:01] <OvenWerks> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqeg5vkTkH-DYxmOO9FJOHA
[07:01] <OvenWerks> these are a bit shorter.
[07:01] <b7jl> i saw a conference talk by a guy who trained a machine learning model on Bach and had it make its own Bach. it was neat
[07:02] <b7jl> ok, also bookmarked
[07:02] <OvenWerks> https://www.youtube.com/user/HarrisonConsoles/videos
[07:03] <OvenWerks> are also short... probably skip the ones on plugins though unless you want to buy them.
[07:04] <OvenWerks> mixbus has eq in each channel, Ardour does not. That is the big difference. Ardour does comes with quite a good eq plugin included
[07:09] <b7jl> ok, I should go, but thanks for all of your help!
[07:25] <rgh> I wanna add that in most cases everything just works.
[07:25] <rgh> Oh. They're gone 🙃
[07:32] <OvenWerks> rgh: now you are here...
[07:33] <OvenWerks> I want to ask in your more than one USB situation, do you thnk it would be ok to say the same device must always be plugged into the same socket? A lot of devices have no ser. no.
[07:34]  * OvenWerks wanders off to take his dog out one last time
[08:21] <rgh> OvenWerks: sounds hacky but if that is the only thing that works 🤷♂
[08:22] <rgh> Let me say again that it's not for my own purposes but someone in the KX studio chat asked about it.
[17:19] <OvenWerks> rgh: yeah, but it does fall right in "controls should fix this" territory
[17:20] <OvenWerks> rgh: it just tells me how far audio device quality has fallen. I think the firewire boxes are much better.
[17:22] <OvenWerks> I had a firewire box sent to me so I could figure out fw in controls and I have to say it is much better than any USB box I have played with.
[17:23] <OvenWerks> (the cost of shipping and getting a FW card and cable were almost as much as a low end usb box)
[17:27] <OvenWerks> but I can get lower latency than is possible with USB (USB min is 2ms for stable opperation 32/3)
[19:01] <Voidnaut> Hello! I am trying to setup my gear with JACK. I have an external audio interface (Behringer X1204 with some synths hooked up), I'm using BitWig as a DAW and VCVRack as another instrument. It seems I can either route my audio interface or VCV to BitWig; But not both simultaneously. I'm pretty new to linux but I believe I either need to create a
[19:01] <Voidnaut> pseudo-device by merging my internal and external audio devices or use JACK2. Is that correct? Which way is preferable? Thanks in advance! :)
[19:23] <Voidnaut> I actually got it! Apparently I just needed to patch everything through 'system' and reconfigure bitwigs audio! I LOVE ubuntustudio! <3
[21:37] <jasonerid[m]> hi
[21:37] <jasonerid[m]> is there someone here?
[21:39] <jasonerid[m]> i need help
[22:01] <Jesse-David> Sorry Ovenworks, had some weird power outages this weekend. Anyways it seems to be working somewhat normal. Though on startups it seems to be having issues with executing autojack. Going to try a few things today and let you know how it works. Otherwise thanks for the help!


[14:17] <cyphermox> Pici: yes, please
[14:18] <cyphermox> Pici: patch pilot is no longer really an active thing, I'm thinking of reusing that code for something more general
[14:18] <cyphermox> any way to make it available on LP so we can file pull requests or something?
[16:07] <xnox> cyphermox, i think you mean pitti
[16:07] <xnox> cyphermox, and there was a branch for it somewhere, and i did fork it at one point
[16:07] <xnox> cyphermox, i can't remember where now
[16:07] <cyphermox> nah, I really meant Pici
[16:07] <xnox> oh, i'm confused then
[16:07] <cyphermox> I asked pitti already, he doesn't know  / remember
[16:10] <xnox> there was a script that dholbach handed over to me
[16:10] <xnox> i can't seem to remember where it went
[16:11] <cyphermox> I found a copy from tsimpson's bzr, but that doesn't mean much unless you can also make sure it's up to date code, and where it's running
[17:06] <xnox> cyphermox, what was the branch name and/or script name for that one? that might help me search all of my backups
[17:07] <cyphermox> all I found was lp:~tsimpson/+junk/udevbot
[17:07] <xnox> ack, thanks


[02:46] <flowerpot> How do I tell sshd to reload its configuration file using Upstart?
[02:49] <flowerpot> sudo initctl reload ssh
[02:49] <flowerpot> sudo reload ssh
[02:49] <flowerpot> btw, why is the sshd job called ssh?


[07:58] <sivang> I know this is not for support, but still :)
[07:58] <sivang> #ubuntu doesn't seem to be able to help or respind for that matter
[07:58] <sivang> my T43p won't suspend since I dist-upgraded to gutsy
[07:58] <sivang> anyone an idea what to check, change etc?
[08:02] <sivang> (have been busy so far to try and fix / analyze it)
[15:02] <offby1> mm, my T60 refused to suspend too; it complained that there wasn't enough swap space.  So I have it some more.
[15:09] <Orfintain> hi
[15:10] <Orfintain> i've haveing resolution issues with inspiron 600m


[05:23] <dCLCp> Hello
[08:21] <kagani> wow.
[08:22] <kagani> that hellstorm documentary is horrifying.
[16:35] <Dial-Up> :)
[19:32] <Bomshuan> Hello gigs
[19:34] <Bomshuan> ho know problems with Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter solved or not?
[22:23] <tyrog> What are the main new features in the Xfce apps for Xubuntu 16.10? Any news?
[22:29] <knome> xfce is in the middle of a migration to gtk3, which basically means a "no new features" mode
[22:30] <tyrog> knome: So it means really nothing new? Not even a single feature for any app? Thunar, Mousepad, Parole, etc...
[22:30] <knome> pretty much yes.
[22:30] <Unit193> tyrog: Though you do get bug fixes.
[22:31] <knome> sure, and there might be some tiny new bits too.
[22:37] <tyrog> Unit193 knome thanks. So there won't be new parts from Xfce 4.14 in this one, correct?
[22:37] <tyrog> Mostly bug-fixes from 16.04?
[22:38] <knome> the release will have some upgraded xfce components, but they will not be bringing any new features.
[22:38] <Unit193> Most "interesting" is in a PPA anyway. :P
[22:39] <tyrog> knome: That's exactly what I wanted to know, tnx knome
[22:39] <tyrog> Unit193: which one btw? :D
[22:39] <Unit193> tyrog: It's just GTK3 porting of the GTK2 apps, soo less "feature fun" still.
[22:40] <tyrog> Unit193: How is the GTK3 porting process going?
[22:40] <Unit193> tyrog: Well, it's chugging along well enough, that's what 4.14 is supposed to be.  Just a port to GTK3.
[22:42] <tyrog> Unit193: I know this is a bad question to ask, don't mean to mess with your work, but right now is there an ETA for 4.14?
[22:44] <Unit193> tyrog: I'm not one of the porters, so no issue.  I just package things.  It's not really got an ETA, and if it did Xfce hasn't been one to stick with it.  It'll be done when it's done, but you can generally keep up with either the mailing list, or git.xfce.org
[22:46] <tyrog> Unit193: Thanks for your insight man. I'm just getting started in the Linux/FOSS world and it's really exciting to know about so many projects that I would never know about if I simply kept using Windows.
[22:47] <Unit193> BTW, just because Xfce got no new features in 16.10, doesn't mean other things we include (such as libreoffice, etc) didn't.
[22:47] <Unit193> And sure thing.
[22:48] <tyrog> I mean, small dev teams can create really great desktop experiences when even Microsoft with all its money has all sorts of issues, bad design choices, bad updates, etc. in Windows


[04:23] <Macross> nebody awake??
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[04:25] <MacrossPlus> nebody awake here?
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[23:31] <paul_> Hello Mythbuntu.  I have made 4 or 5 attempts to install mythbuntu 12.04 and I invariably run into the database access problem.  I can't seem to find a good stepwise instruction on how to get it all done properly.  Help!
[23:35] <paul_> What's to do first?  mythtv-setup or the frontend?  how to set up mysql and all the passwords?  I am setting up a master backend/frontend expecting to set up other frontends on the network.
[23:36] <paul_> I put in the ip address of the box I am setting up for hostname...getting confused at this point as I don't have the right box in front of me.  I always wind up in a situation where the frontend is constantly repeating despite my attempt to esc. from it.
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[23:41] <paul_> can't access http://www.rubmyubuntu.com/LinuxSupportAdvice...bad link in http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi?
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[23:47] <paul_> Also, Alt-Ctl F1, etc gets me a black screen w/no prompt.  F7 gets me back to the endless frontend setup


[01:49] <KGB-0> gnome-shell Daniel van Vugt 205714 * commented merge request !43 * https://deb.li/umX2
[05:56] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:05] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:42] <didrocks> good morning
[06:45] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:48] <duflu> And hi oSoMoN
[06:48] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:48] <oSoMoN> hi duflu & desktoppers
[06:49] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:49] <didrocks> et oSoMoN :)
[06:52] <jibel> Hi duflu didrocks oSoMoN
[06:53] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:04] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:06] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:06] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:06] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[07:07] <jibel> salut seb128
[07:07] <seb128> lut jibel, en forme aujourd'hui ?
[07:10] <jibel> seb128, oui bien, comme d'habitude :) et toi?
[07:10] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:10] <seb128> jibel, ça va aussi :)
[07:10] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[07:12] <duflu> seb128, frustrated. My phone died today and with it most contact with my family. I'm just waiting for the local stores to get stock now :/
[07:12] <duflu> How are you seb128?
[07:12] <seb128> :-(
[07:12] <seb128> I'm alright!
[07:12] <seb128> are you trying to get the phone fixed or just getting a new one?
[07:13] <duflu> seb128, the old one refuses to restore and is out of warranty, so a new one it will be
[07:13] <seb128> k
[07:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, on fait aller
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney , how are you?
[09:04] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:06] <tjaalton> fedora will create a separate xwayland package which tracks xorg-server tip in order to get new features more quickly. do we want that too?
[09:06] <tjaalton> builds only the xwayland binary
[09:06] <tjaalton> and since it doesn't use any of the abi stuff, is compatible with xserver 1.20
[09:10] <seb128> tjaalton, do you know what sort of feature we are talking about?
[09:11] <tjaalton> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XwaylandStandalone#Benefit_to_Fedora
[09:11] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu
[09:12] <Laney> yeah I'm doing ok, get to have a chocolate from the advent calendar later 🎅
[09:13] <Laney> you?
[09:13] <seb128> I should get one of those calendars :)
[09:13] <seb128> I'm alright!
[09:13] <Laney> interesting, that xwayland change looks like it brings some nice features
[09:16] <seb128> tjaalton, seems it would be interesting to us as well, you probably also have an opinion as the xorg maintainer between beeing request to backport improvements to the xserver or have a separate source?
[09:16] <tjaalton> separate source is easier
[09:16] <seb128> duflu, ^ you might also have an opinion on the topic
[09:17] <seb128> tjaalton, I would say to go for the separate source then
[09:18] <Laney> just got to remember to refresh it every now and then ;-)
[09:18] <duflu> seb128, yeah it's probably better for us to snapshot the "unstable" Xwayland source if it's that much better
[09:19] <duflu> We do our own stabilization by snapshotting features only 6-monthly
[10:01] <seb128> jamesh, hey, weekly summary post reminder :-)
[13:57] <luna_> good afternoon desktoppers
[13:57] <oSoMoN> good afternoon luna_
[13:58] <luna_> having a bit of a headache but will attend the meeting also oSoMoN Thunderbird 78.5.1 is released today
[13:58] <luna_> and a new Firefox beta tommorow with the actual release being 16th December
[14:00] <oSoMoN> thanks for the heads up
[14:25] <luna_> ### Meeting in 5 minutes ###
[14:27] <hellsworth> good morning d
[14:27] <hellsworth> esktoper
[14:29] <marcustomlinson> s
[14:30] <hellsworth> :) thanks marcustomlinson for completing my sentence
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> :D
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-12-01
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  1 14:30:35 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[14:30] <hellsworth> o/
[14:30] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:30] <kenvandine> 🖖
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:30] <Trevinho> o/
[14:31] <luna_> o/ (doing some KDE and Arch work) but will try to catch up reading
[14:31] <seb128> k, let's get started
[14:31] <didrocks999> o/
[14:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> no desktop entry
[14:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <seb128> bug #1846699
[14:33] <seb128> some contributor added the bionic target
[14:33] <seb128> I don't think it's a rls issue and it lacks a testcase & co
[14:33] <seb128> I would vote to just untarget for now
[14:33] <kenvandine> +1
[14:33] <didrocks999> agreed
[14:34] <seb128> let's do that
[14:35] <seb128> k, done and commented
[14:35] <seb128> that's it for bionic
[14:35] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> nothing to review on that one
[14:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> bug #1905740
[14:37]  * luna_ is back
[14:37] <seb128> I've been handling that one but forgot to assign, I will do that now
[14:37] <seb128> the other one is a oem team request which is waiting for upstream review, we should probably accept it
[14:38] <seb128> Trevinho, I will asign to you to cherry pick once upstream accept it
[14:38] <Trevinho> ok
[14:38] <seb128> thx
[14:39] <seb128> that's it for focal
[14:39] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[14:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:39] <luna_> a bluetooth on Raspberry Pi bug and a nautlius bug
[14:39] <seb128> (sorry the reports are slow to load for me today for some reason, I get the frame but not the content, need to refresh several times)
[14:39] <seb128> ah, finally loaded
[14:39] <luna_> 15:39 < seb128> (sorry the reports are slow to load for me today for some reason, I get the frame but not the content, need to refresh several times)
[14:39] <seb128> luna_, thx :p
[14:39] <luna_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1905627
[14:40] <luna_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/+bug/1898462
[14:40] <seb128> the first one should be owned by foundations, I will follow up with them
[14:40] <seb128> since they did the changes
[14:40] <didrocks999> agreed
[14:41] <seb128> the other one I tagged, shell locks are annoying
[14:42] <oSoMoN> sounds like something we should accept
[14:43] <seb128> if there is agreement I will assign to duflu
[14:43] <seb128> Trevinho already has enough on his plate (not that Daniel isn't also busy...)
[14:43] <oSoMoN> the bug doesn't say whether hirsute is also affected, unless I missed something?
[14:44] <luna_> 19.04, 19.10 and 20.10 is what i found in the launchpad bugs
[14:44] <oSoMoN> presumably it is, but it would be good to clarify
[14:44] <luna_> could login to GNOME on my Hirsute after the meeting and test
[14:45] <seb128> right, I expect it is since our shell stack didn't change yet
[14:45] <seb128> luna_, thanks
[14:45] <seb128> that's it for incoming
[14:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:45] <seb128> bug #1902044 is for me
[14:46] <seb128> bug #1903574 we rejected but forgot to untarget
[14:46] <seb128> and that's it
[14:46] <seb128> #topic rls-hh-bug
[14:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> bug #1905422
[14:47] <seb128> oSoMoN, you tagged that one?
[14:47] <luna_> same Bluetooth on Raspberry Pi bug and some library used in Libreoffice Calc
[14:47] <oSoMoN> I did
[14:48] <seb128> it doesn't feel like a release issue or an important target to me
[14:48] <seb128> or do you think it's an important feature for a class of users?
[14:48] <oSoMoN> I'm not sure tbh
[14:48] <seb128> I'm not really familiar with coinMP
[14:48] <oSoMoN> but I felt it was interesting to bring up for consideration
[14:48] <seb128> right
[14:48] <hellsworth> i really don't have coinmp familiarity either but i could start with the dependencies and list of bugs as oSoMoN suggested
[14:49] <seb128> I think we should MIR if possible, one delta to remove and a feature parity added
[14:49] <hellsworth> maybe not rls material though?
[14:49] <seb128> but -1 for rls
[14:49] <oSoMoN> I'm fine with untagging it, but I think that in any case we should investigate a bit further
[14:49] <hellsworth> agreed
[14:49] <seb128> +1
[14:49] <seb128> k, let's do that
[14:49] <luna_> https://github.com/coin-or/CoinMP
[14:49] <seb128> I think it's easy enough to just write the MIR
[14:49] <oSoMoN> maybe check whether LO can be built with coinmp support, but have it as an optional dep?
[14:49] <hellsworth> i just assigned myself
[14:49] <seb128> or that
[14:50] <seb128> thx
[14:51] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:51] <seb128> nothing to review which we haven't already talked about there
[14:51] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:51] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:52] <seb128> the list is getting smaller which is nice
[14:52] <seb128> the sphinx failure probably needs investigating
[14:52] <seb128> anyone wanting to give it a try?
[14:53] <seb128> I will card it on the trello, if there is a volunteer please grab it, otherwise we will assign
[14:54] <seb128> colord build failure on s390x is an endian issue according to RAOF who is the Debian maintainer, we will let it to him for now
[14:55] <seb128> other items are either things blocked on transition or new ones or flacky I think
[14:55] <oSoMoN> seb128, there's a newer sphinx in the release pocket already
[14:55] <seb128> let's revisit those that are still there next week
[14:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, let me retrigger see if that's enough to make thing happy, thx for noticing
[14:56] <seb128> or looks like doko did some of that and it's green
[14:57] <seb128> so hopefully it's resolved
[14:57] <seb128> k, let's move on
[14:57] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:57] <luna_> Wondering about the Daily Hirsute builds, some days it only builds ARM64 and not AMD64 is that expected?
[14:57] <seb128> one topic from me, I sent an email but also mentioning it, please review your trello cards and get them updated
[14:58] <seb128> luna_, there was a bug in one of the ISO building jobs which we fixed earlier today, amd64 image is back now
[14:58] <luna_> seb128: ah alright cool :)
[14:58] <seb128> np!
[14:58] <seb128> @trello, please update your cards by eow, after that I will personally bag you until it's done :)
[14:58] <seb128> any other topic?
[14:59] <luna_> yep its up in 2 minutes on the mirror i use thanks :)
[14:59] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack
[14:59] <seb128> alright, if there is no other topic it's a wrap
[14:59] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec  1 14:59:56 2020 UTC.
[14:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-12-01-14.30.moin.txt
[14:59] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[14:59] <didrocks999> thanks!
[14:59] <Trevinho> ouch
[15:00] <luna_> thanks
[15:00] <marcustomlinson> bag or nag? ;)
[15:00] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:00] <Trevinho> well I wanted to ask about https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/removal-of-gnome-shell-extension-from-universe-and-stop-auto-syncs/18437/4
[15:00] <oSoMoN> nag in a bag
[15:00] <seb128> marcustomlinson, lol, I can arrange a bag no worry ;)
[15:00] <Trevinho> if someone can have a look at that
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, I will card it and handle, basically I was waiting for .7 to be uploaded to follow with the SRU team about the testing plan and sort that as well
[15:01] <Trevinho> seb128: sure, this is for hirsute though
[15:01] <Trevinho> even though there are a list of extensions that should be allowed
[15:02] <Trevinho> probably best way is to search which one is comfing from a source package != the extension itself
[15:02] <seb128> Trevinho, right, not hurry there though, but we need to revisit the list, jbicha pointed out that some need integration and make sense as a deb
[15:02] <seb128> also
[15:02] <Trevinho> yes
[15:02] <Trevinho> that's why I wrote the above sentence
[15:08] <luna_> drag and drop from the desktop to nautlius hangs on yesterdays hirsute build too
[15:10] <Laney> kill the desktop icons!
[15:10] <Laney> put a game there instead
[15:10] <Laney> (lander)
[15:10] <luna_> Laney: :P
[15:11] <marcustomlinson> I tried dragging a game to nautlius, hangs as well
[15:12] <Laney> you could render the filesystem as the environment in the game
[15:12] <Laney> have to land on a program to execute it
[15:12] <Laney> or shoot stuff to delete
[15:12] <Laney> this is a great idea /me goes to find a VC
[15:13] <marcustomlinson> with a 60s countdown to complete the game otherwise the disk is formatted
[15:13] <Laney> bloody hell
[15:14] <luna_> seb128: its broken in hirsute too
[15:14]  * Laney makes a note to review marcustomlinson's feature ideas :>
[15:14] <seb128> luna_, thanks for confirming
[15:14] <Laney> [harsh mode]
[15:15] <luna_> gonna try to rest away my headache now, but cya next week again
[15:29] <seb128> luna_, oh, get better!


[12:42] <bryce> keescook: would you have a moment to upload xorg-server 12ubuntu6 at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/?
[12:43] <bryce> keescook: it fixes beta bug 137604, and has approval from slangasek
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137604 in xorg-server "Black Bar Across Screen with gutsy i810" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137604
[01:17] <keescook> bryce: sure, one sec.
[01:20] <keescook> bryce: done
[07:12] <tepsipakki> bryce: aaronp said he'd release a new nv driver soon, so maybe that would fix the quadro bugs we have
[08:07] <bryce> tepsipakki: cool
[08:07] <bryce> tepsipakki: although I think it's getting too late for gutsy
[08:07] <bryce> I'd like to get bug 127008 fixed though
[08:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127008 in xresprobe "Alternate install of Tribe-4 corrupts video display when installing packages" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127008
[08:13] <bryce> it's great seeing all the new folks getting involved in xorg stuff.
[08:15] <tepsipakki> yep
[08:15] <tepsipakki> bryce: aaronp plans to release it today :)
[08:16] <bryce> ah, well maybe it can squeeze in
[08:16] <tepsipakki> "hopefully tonight", but yeah
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #57586 in xorg (main) "XEmacs segfaults on startup in Edgy" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57586
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #58856 in xemacs21 (universe) "xemacs segfaults on edgy powerpc system (dup-of: 57586)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58856
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #115056 in xorg (main) "kdesktop_lock doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115056
[02:52] <ubotu> New bug: #141492 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Macbook scroll and middle/right click stopped working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141492
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #139241 in ubuntu "gutsy tribe 5 and daily 8-sep-2007 hang while starting up X on radeon 200M" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139241
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #141495 in xorg (main) "on my desktop i see only rectangles!!!" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141495
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #141522 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[gutsy]  faulty Xv extension since latest update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141522
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #44708 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Dual Monitor Problems" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44708
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #141547 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "[Gutsy]  after ati driver update, only a black screen (light is on)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141547
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #141551 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "ati driver lockup (mobility radeon rv350)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141551
[09:17] <ubotu> New bug: #141533 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Gutsy: Switching workspaces when playing XVideo overlay crashes X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141533
[09:18] <tormod> bryce, could you mirror these please? http://tormod.freeshell.org/linux/ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.7.193-1ubuntu1feisty_i386.deb and http://tormod.freeshell.org/linux/ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg_6.7.193-1ubuntu1feisty_i386.deb
[09:19] <bryce> sure thing
[09:19] <mvo_> bryce: is there a new -ati driver pending before/after beta? I just confirmed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/141533 (and that worries me)
[09:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141533 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Gutsy: Switching workspaces when playing XVideo overlay crashes X" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:20] <bryce> mvo, there is a new -ati out that I think tepsipakki is planning on rolling out.  Don't know if it'll be before or after beta
[09:20] <bryce> tormod: sync finished
[09:21] <tormod> bryce, thanks
[09:24] <bryce> mvo_: one sec and I'll look upstream for that one
[09:27] <tepsipakki> bryce: the latest upstream is already in :/
[09:27] <tepsipakki> +gutsy
[09:27] <bryce> tepsipakki: ah, ok
[09:44] <bryce> mvo_: this sounds sort of similar, could you test?    https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12175
[09:44] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 12175 in Driver/Radeon "Xv crash if video window fully offscreen (rv280)" [Normal,New]
[09:44] <tepsipakki> oh, b.fd.o works again \o/
[09:47] <mvo_> bryce: yes, that sounds like it, what is the diff for "5d044b9f74c7aa7e12f2822896fed881e2ca9d19", do you have that quickly available? if not, I will do a checkout of -ati myself to have a look
[09:47] <bryce> go for it
[09:47] <tepsipakki> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d044b9f74c7aa7e12f2822896fed881e2ca9d19
[09:48] <mvo_> tepsipakki: thanks!
[09:48] <tepsipakki> mvo_: np. my screen cuts long urls though, so can't test that it works :)
[09:48] <bryce> it works
[09:48] <tepsipakki> cool
[09:49] <bryce> want me to roll an -ati with that patch?
[09:49] <bryce> er, 'that patch reverted'?
[09:49] <tepsipakki> go ahead, I'll continue going through the ati bugs :)
[09:49] <bryce> ok
[09:49] <tepsipakki> although the tv is on, and distracts me a bit
[09:50] <mvo_> bryce: its late here, but I want to test it to make sure that it does not break video playback with compiz
[09:53] <bryce> ok building; will have .deb up in a few minutes
[10:02] <bryce> bah
[10:07] <bryce> bdmurray: so with the latest launchpad change, should we expect old Incomplete bugs to suddenly switch to Invalid?
[10:11] <bryce> mvo, debs are up:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/
[10:23] <tepsipakki> bryce: wow, seems to be so :)
[10:24] <tepsipakki> that inactive bugs are cleaned out
[10:24] <bdmurray> bryce: I'm not sure if a bunch will just change or if it'll be 60 days from now
[10:25] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/testing_graphs/xorg.html
[10:26] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/graphs/ -- 2000 bugs just died
[10:26] <bryce> poor poor bugs
[10:33] <bdmurray> zomg
[10:50] <mvo> bryce: reverting the commit for ati fixes the problem for me
[10:54] <bryce> mvo, wow, that was good luck
[10:54] <mvo> indeed :)
[10:54] <mvo> and video playback still works
[10:55] <bryce> ok I'll go ahead and put this in for inclusion
[10:55] <mvo> thanks
[10:55] <bryce> sleep well :-)
[10:59] <mvo> soon, I need to do some more work for the beta first :/
[11:04] <tepsipakki> that ati/xv crash is debian bug 441902
[11:04] <ubotu> Debian bug 441902 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "xserver-xorg-video-ati: 6.7.192-1~7.2 crashes xserver with xv video playback on compiz" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/441902
[11:09] <tepsipakki> there was another proposal for the fix
[11:14] <bryce> tepsipakki: yeah this patch looks like it's just papering over some other bug
[11:15] <tepsipakki> I'll reply to the debian bug, hopefully alex will figure it out eventually :)
[11:15] <tepsipakki> oh, you asked about it on #x-d already :)
[11:19] <bryce> tepsipakki: yup, figure he already knows, but more info can't hurt
[11:20] <bryce> heya rawler
[11:20] <rawler> bryce: hello.. :)
[11:21] <tepsipakki> bryce: nv 2.1.4 just released
[11:21] <bryce> tepsipakki: yup, saw the announce :-)
[11:22] <bryce> tepsipakki: sounds pretty minor though
[11:22] <bryce> the LVDS fix is probably worthwhile, and of course new products are always good
[11:23] <jcristau> i think it's just the product names
[11:24] <rawler> bryce: just a quick question; how exactly does launchpad manage bug status?
[11:24] <tormod> the new nv would fix bug 133385 the right way
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133385 in discover-data "[gutsy]  "nv" is not new enough to support my chipset (Quadro FX 570M), but is detected as the most appropriate display driver during installation" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133385
[11:25] <bryce> rawler: for bugs local to launchpad (i.e. ubuntu bugs), bug status is handled manually by folks like us
[11:25] <tepsipakki> tormod: that's what I had thought too :)
[11:25] <rawler> bryce: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/, bug 19890 has status new, but looking at the bug itself it seems to have been marked invalid a long time ago?
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 19890 in freeglut "conquest-gl: fail to start (Assertion `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed.)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19890
[11:25] <bryce> rawler: however there are some various misc. scripts which also update bug statuses
[11:25] <tepsipakki> rawler: the ubuntu part yes
[11:25] <bryce> ah
[11:26] <bryce> rawler: one of the unique things about LP is that it can track state in external bug trackers
[11:26] <bryce> or in multiple products
[11:26] <bryce> which is handy for hooking the bug to upstream bugs
[11:26] <rawler> ok, so it always displays the "worst-case" status in listings?
[11:27] <bryce> no, technically it would display both
[11:27] <bryce> however "Invalid", "Fix Released" are typically hidden in most displays
[11:27] <rawler> bryce: yeah, in the bug itself, but not in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/
[11:28] <rawler> bryce: or is there a better way to get a list of open bugs related to ubuntu-x-swat?
[11:29] <bryce> rawler: that listing is for bugs assigned/related to x-swat, but typically we haven't been bothering assigning bugs to x-swat, so this list probably isn't the best place to look
[11:29] <bryce> I typically just select one of the X products (like xorg, xorg-server, or a driver) and look for bugs that way
[11:29] <bryce> I like to personally subscribe to a variety of bugs that look interesting to me, and then check back on them
[11:30] <tepsipakki> yeah, "show package report"
[11:30] <bryce> from my subscribed bugs, I've picked a dozen to subscribe to that I want to work on closely
[11:30] <bryce> (no more than a dozen though, else it'd get overwhelming)
[11:31] <rawler> *ahh* I see.. will go about it that way, in that case.. :)
[11:31] <bryce> also, there is a bot on this channel that reports newly reported/updated bugs in all products; sometimes those are of interest
[11:32] <rawler> bryce: allright.. will try to hang here more then.. :)
[11:32] <bryce> cool :-)
[11:33] <bryce> rawler: what sorts of things are you most interested in?  you mentioned -nvidia yesterday iirc?
[11:35] <rawler> bryce: well, I'm not particulary focused on any specific area.. I heard you needed help, so I'm mostly looking for something to do.. :)
[11:35] <bryce> nice, well welcome :-)
[11:36] <rawler> I usually try to steer clear of hardware and device-driver-specific things, and user-interfaces (unless it's about testing out new concepts for user interfaces), but anything in between goes... :)
[11:36] <rawler> thanks, I feel pretty welcome.. :)
[11:38] <rawler> I'm usually more of a hacker than a QA-guy/forum-sweeper, so I usually try to find bugs that I can reproduce and fix, or feature-requests that I can implement..
[11:40] <bryce> that'll be a huge help; there's tons of bugs that fit those criteria
[11:41] <rawler> well.. most of them seems to not match my hardware and/or be hard to reproduce, and be driver-related.. so not really my league.. :)
[11:42] <bryce> yup, I have that trouble too
[11:42] <jcristau> those most often need to be reported upstream
[11:43] <bryce> fortunately, for bugs that affect multiple people, it's generally not too hard to find a community member who'll be willing to test out .debs
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #91006 in compiz (main) "Enabled Desktop Effects makes Gnome Terminal unusable (dup-of: 89369)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91006
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #97575 in restricted-manager (restricted) "restricted-manager doesn't list my nvidia GeForce Go 7400 (dup-of: 93209)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97575
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #98542 in ubuntu "starting "wine" or "google earth" crashes the x-server after today's update (dup-of: 96430)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98542
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #34555 in xorg (main) "Bad display configuration after install (dup-of: 42731)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34555
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #35508 in xorg (main) "1366x768 screen resolution not supported (dup-of: 24927)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35508
[11:49] <ubotu> New bug: #32219 in xorg (main) "Edubuntu dapper live flight4: only does 640x480 resolution (dup-of: 36306)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32219
[11:49] <ubotu> New bug: #32401 in totem "totem won't start with totem-xine engine (dup-of: 35229)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32401
[11:49] <ubotu> New bug: #35944 in xorg (main) "Laptop with integrated SIS gfx and ATI module fails to detect the active card (dup-of: 42731)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35944
[11:49] <ubotu> New bug: #40783 in xorg (main) "[Dapper]  bad resolution for SONY CPD-210EST screen (dup-of: 42731)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40783
[11:49] <ubotu> New bug: #40839 in xorg (main) "Dapper Beta LiveCD install doesn't setup monitors/resolutions right (dup-of: 42731)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40839
[11:49] <ubotu> New bug: #42448 in xorg (main) "DisplaySize not set on Dell Inspiron 8200 (dapper beta) (dup-of: 30743)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42448
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #47759 in update-manager (main) "upgrade from breezy to dapper rc1 fails (dup-of: 41314)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47759
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #50539 in xorg (main) "Thinkpad x60 xorg.conf contains strange entries for Wacom InputDevice (Stylus) (dup-of: 42553)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50539
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #50737 in totem (main) "totem-xine crashes with 'BadAlloc' when run manually (dup-of: 35229)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50737
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #52069 in update-manager (main) "update-manager kills entire X session (dup-of: 49834)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52069
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #54307 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "driver does not work with xserver-xorg-core 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu1 (dup-of: 54290)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54307
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #54565 in xorg (main) "no direct rendering on Dell laptop using Edgy and i810 driver (dup-of: 54858)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54565
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #65909 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Flash bug (dup-of: 62988)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65909
[11:54] <ubotu> New bug: #81324 in cryptsetup (main) "Problem with cryptsetup password during boot (dup-of: 82084)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81324
[11:54] <ubotu> New bug: #96039 in totem (main) "Regression in quicktime playback (dup-of: 73102)" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96039
[11:54] <ubotu> New bug: #107645 in f-spot (main) "feisty f-spot hangs (dup-of: 89467)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107645
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #104499 in f-spot (main) "PC Crash when I import data into f-spot (dup-of: 89467)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104499
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #48164 in xorg (main) "Video corruption at installation of xserver-xorg" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48164
[12:01] <bdmurray> what happened here?
[12:02] <bdmurray> Did ubotu go crazy?
[12:02] <tepsipakki> no, they really were closed by lp janitor :)
[12:02] <tormod> was that all those incomplete bugs going invalid?
[12:02] <tepsipakki> yep
[12:23] <bdmurray> bryce: I'm looking at the daily for today and my display is 1024x768 instead of 1280x800(?)
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #57283 in xorg-server (main) "latest xserver fails (dup-of: 57153)" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57283
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #56277 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "xserver-xorg: FATAL: fglX11CMMFreeSurface: firegl_FreeBuffer() failed!" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56277
[12:27] <ubotu> New bug: #55224 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "iMac 1.9Ghz: X fails to load under Edgy (dup-of: 23445)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55224


[05:41] <Andrio> Is there a way to start xfce4-terminal using a different encoding from the default?
[06:33] <Andrio> Ended up doing this: sh -c "ln -fs ~/.config-alt/nethack/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc && xfce4-terminal --maximize -x nethack"
[06:33] <Andrio> it's far from ideal.
[06:54] <Andrio> Turns out this also works: export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=~/.config-alt/nethack && xfce4-terminal --disable-server
[07:06] <Andrio> Got a .desktop file generated by XFCE's menu editor that includes the line `OnlyShowIn=unity`...
[07:06] <Andrio> silly
[07:07] <Unit193> Menulibre?
[07:07] <Andrio> Yeah.
[10:18] <rud0lf> ikonia pop
[10:27] <ikonia> rud0lf: hello ?
[10:27] <rud0lf> helllo
[10:27] <ikonia> hello
[10:42] <bazhang> rud0lf, xubuntu support issue?
[10:42] <rud0lf> nope
[10:42] <bazhang> chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic please rud0lf
[10:42] <rud0lf> ok, sorry
[10:42] <bazhang> np
[17:28] <wwoky> Hi. I've Xubuntu 17.04 with nvidia gfx card and nvidia proprietary drivers (including utilities, nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig, ..., all that came with "apt install nvidia"). When I switch the card into different PCI slot, /etc/X11/xorg.conf gets rewritten on boot. Who rewrites this file? I'm asking, because my "Coolbits" option isn't preserved.
[17:31] <wwoky> It's gpu-manager.service from ubuntu-drivers-common.
[22:45] <xubuntu55i> try to install xubuntu 16.04 and halfway through screen goes dark
[22:45] <xubuntu55i> I think graph card fail
[22:45] <xubuntu55i> card has popped caps
[22:45] <xubuntu55i> I swap out with spare...maybe will work