[00:03] <a|wen> that looks like some more MIR work coming up ^^^
[00:08] <a|wen> ewoerner: please add a bug report about it (unless it already exists) ... will need some work to get libgps included in the supported part of ubuntu
[00:09] <ewoerner> a|wen: i currently don't have any launchpad account
[00:09] <ewoerner> that's why the quick drop-by ;-)
[00:10] <ghostcube_> ok i renamed .kde
[00:10] <ghostcube_> and started a new one
[00:10] <ghostcube_> working
[00:10] <ghostcube_> :|
[00:10] <ghostcube_> i hate this
[00:10] <ghostcube_> but 4.3.0 is nice
[00:10] <ghostcube_> :D
[00:10] <ghostcube_> and compiz works too
[00:10] <ewoerner> oh, and the gps support in marble is provided by a plugin
[00:11] <ghostcube_> i love th etree view in systemsettings
[00:11] <ghostcube_> its like kcontrol
[00:11] <ghostcube_> i love it
[00:11] <ghostcube_> :)
[00:15] <a|wen> ewoerner: the plugin is in kdeedu source?
[00:15] <ewoerner> a|wen: yes
[00:15] <ewoerner> marble/src/plugins/positionprovider/gpsd
[00:16] <a|wen> ewoerner: bug 409104 <-- Riddell
[00:17] <ewoerner> just out of curiosity: what does MIR mean?
[00:18] <a|wen> ewoerner: Main Inclusion Report ... we need to get them in main (part of officially supported ubuntu) to build and use them
[00:18] <ewoerner> ah
[00:20] <ewoerner> ok, thank you
[00:20] <ewoerner> night everybody
[00:20] <milian> 9.04 update to KDE 4.3 wants qt 4.5.1 but only 4.5.0 is found - is that known?
[00:23] <a|wen> milian: you temporarily needs to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main"
[00:24] <a|wen> milian: the new qt didn't want to copy (damn PPAs); will work as soon as qt finishes building in the backports ppa
[00:33]  * shtylman is still fighting with qt model/view and KCategorizedView
[00:33]  * shtylman and is loosing...
[00:33] <milian> a|wen: so it will be fixed eventually? I can wait a few days ;-)
[00:34]  * a|wen cheers on shtylman
[00:34] <a|wen> milian: sure ... it is already building, so it is a matter of a few hours
[00:35] <milian> ok, great - thanks!
[00:35] <milian> btw, which qt version is cooking there right now?
[00:35] <milian> 4.5.1?
[00:35] <milian> would be a shame...
[00:35] <milian> -shame +waste of time
[00:35] <Riddell> 4.5.2
[00:35] <milian> yes, very good :)
[00:35] <milian> ok, then I'm off to bed, waiting for tomorrow
[00:35] <milian> thanks all
[00:36] <gon> who mantain kubuntu-backpors ppa?
[00:36] <a|wen> milian: nn, good luck with kde 4.3 tomorrow
[00:37] <gon> 4.3 in jaunty require qt 4.5.1
[00:37] <gon> but is not available in jaunty
[00:37] <a|wen> gon: you temporarily needs to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main" - the new qt didn't want to copy (damn PPAs); will work as soon as qt finishes building in the backports ppa
[00:37]  * a|wen feels like repeating himself
[00:38] <gon> !
[00:39] <gon> thanks =)
[00:39] <a|wen> the new qt should luckily finish build in less than 4 hours
[00:41] <gon> =)
[00:43] <ghostcube> hmmm the system wont start compiz automaticly seems to be an little bug
[00:43] <ghostcube> :)
[00:43] <ghostcube> but the rest works fine
[01:04]  * shtylman wants the new qt and hopes it resolves his problems...but probly wont.... (tear)
[01:31] <shtylman> Riddell:
[01:31] <shtylman> http://imagebin.ca/view/56JlIijO.html
[01:31] <shtylman> that is my usability mockup for the printer screen
[01:31] <Riddell> cor
[01:31] <shtylman> when the user clicks the printer settings icon..that would open up...and they navigate everywhere from here...
[01:31] <shtylman> thoughts?
[01:31] <Riddell> shtylman: open up how?  within the same window?
[01:31] <shtylman> yea
[01:32] <shtylman> a kcmmodule or whatever they are called
[01:32] <shtylman> settings might open up a new window...but I would prefer to keep it in the same window
[01:32] <shtylman> maybe have a breadcrumb up top...or not...
[01:32] <shtylman> dunno yet..
[01:32] <Riddell> system settings is ment to be all within one window really
[01:32] <Riddell> looks lovely to me, as ever check with celeste
[01:32] <shtylman> k
[01:32] <shtylman> mainly...I want this to be the first screen they see
[01:33] <shtylman> and if there are no printers maybe a hint to *add* some
[01:33] <shtylman> this will also work well for people with lots of network printers (that might have been autodetected)
[01:33] <shtylman> seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/56JlIijO.html
[01:33] <shtylman> I am aiming to have that be the entry point for all printer configuration related activities...
[01:34] <Riddell> dtchen: pulseaudio-module-rygel-media-server--dbg  ?
[01:34] <Riddell> is that double dash intended?
[01:34] <shtylman> Riddell: there was one more action I wanted to add...but for the life of me can't remember it right now...
[01:37] <seele> shtylman: so i guess youre not using the previous design proposal?
[01:37] <seele> shtylman: is that the SS menu or is that after you click on the SS printer object?
[01:38] <shtylman> that is after you click the SS printer object
[01:38] <shtylman> seele: so...the reason I wanted to design it like this is two fold...
[01:39] <shtylman> I think that the one column icon list can become too cluttered for people with multiple printers...
[01:39] <shtylman> I can do a mockup with one column if you like?
[01:39] <shtylman> it is easy to do
[01:39] <seele> well the thing is, the design was created so it would fit in with all the other KCMs
[01:40] <shtylman> my main fear is when the number of printers gets large (think networked printers) then a single column no longer works well...at least not without a search box
[01:40] <shtylman> k
[01:40] <shtylman> lemme try a single column list really quick...
[01:40] <seele> i think the primary use case we designed for was home user, not large networked office user
[01:40] <seele> (that info should be on the printing wiki page i think)
[01:40] <shtylman> k
[01:40]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:41] <shtylman> oh..and another problem was that you can't have menus
[01:41] <shtylman> this means that I can't have a settings menu and instead need to bring the *settings* type options into a list or buttons
[01:41] <maco> how big is a large networked office? i work in a set of 2 townhouses in a company with only about a dozen people, and we have...maybe 8 printers?
[01:42] <maco> wow wait..we have like one printer per person that actually works in the office instead of telecommuting
[01:42] <shtylman> this includes an icon for add printer, settings, and (there was one more thing...I swear) but can't think of it...
[01:43] <seele> shtylman: have you *seen* the old print design proposal?
[01:43] <seele> like, the wireframes, not what has been done thusfar
[01:43]  * seele doesnt remember menu items
[01:46] <shtylman> yea
[01:46] <shtylman> you mean the pdf right?
[01:46] <shtylman> seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/e8BhEb.html
[01:46] <shtylman> better?
[01:46]  * shtylman is looking at a pdf that has wireframe mockups
[01:50] <shtylman> I could even do a two column layout...
[01:50] <shtylman> :)
[01:50] <shtylman> so what do you think works best?
[02:55] <vorian> sheesh maco, you olf talk selection people are harsh
[02:55] <vorian> 2 YEARS IN A ROW - SHOT DOWN :(
[07:06] <Blizzz> hi. i get qt updates from backports, i guess the issue is solved with them and so staging is not need any longer on jaunty, am i right?
[07:40] <a|wen_> Blizzz: true
[07:42] <Blizzz> a|wen_: excellent. the staging-hint should be removed from the announcement then
[07:42] <a|wen_> ryanakca / Riddell: ^^
[07:44] <a|wen_> Blizzz: indeed ... let's see when someone with website powers coma about
[07:44] <Blizzz> jep
[08:54] <Nightrose> folks upgrade from rc3 to 4.3 gives me:
[08:54] <Nightrose> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[08:54] <Nightrose>   libkholidays4
[08:54] <Nightrose> is that ok?
[08:57] <Blizzz> Nightrose: i suppose, korganizer still offers and shows them
[08:58] <Nightrose> heh
[08:58] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ^
[08:58] <Nightrose> do you know?
[09:04] <Riddell> Nightrose: libkholidays4 is gone, fine to remove
[09:04] <Nightrose> thx Riddell
[09:19] <Stecchino> just upgrade to 4.3 using kubuntu-ppa packages. Get this output before crash: http://pastebin.org/6624
[09:19] <Stecchino> moved plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc out of the way. Still the same problem
[09:19] <Stecchino> known problem?
[09:26] <Riddell> Stecchino: hmm crap, I suspect that's my fault
[09:26] <Riddell> there's a patch in there which I didn't write very well and I havn't got round to fixing it
[09:26] <Stecchino> Riddell: aseigo in #plasma said something about the packages being borked
[09:26] <Riddell> I should just remove it from the jaunty package
[09:27] <Stecchino> Riddell: how long before i can test?
[09:28] <Riddell> Stecchino: an hour probably
[09:28]  * Stecchino runs it in gdb to make sure
[09:29] <Stecchino> crap, no stack
[09:30] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-dbg may help
[09:38] <Stecchino> oh, I installed kdebase-dbg
[09:39] <Stecchino> Riddell: nope, already had the -dbg really can not get a stack trace
[09:40] <Stecchino> gdb plasma-desktop args=--nofork
[09:41] <Stecchino> Riddell: stacktrace: http://pastebin.org/6626
[10:19] <davmor2> Riddell: did you fix it?
[10:20] <davmor2> Riddell: nevermind answer is on cdimages :)
[10:23] <Riddell> davmor2: hum, no http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805/livecd-20090805-i386.out
[10:23] <Riddell> I wonder why not
[10:23] <davmor2> cups
[10:23] <davmor2> 64bit is another issue though
[10:23] <Riddell> yeah but system-config-printer-kde should be sorted
[10:23] <Riddell> let me look
[10:26] <davmor2> ah Riddell has cups been hal depreciated? if so then it might just be a cast of changing the seed so it doesn't pull in the hal-cups-utils.  I am thinking out aloud here so feel free to mock :)
[10:26] <Riddell> erk kubuntu-desktop depends directly on hal-cups-utils
[10:26] <Riddell> you are entirely correct
[10:28] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay is slowly learning to diagnose stuff from error messages :)
[10:33] <Stecchino> Riddell: package build?
[10:34] <Riddell> Stecchino: yes should be, try an update, you're looking for kdebase-workspace - 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa4
[10:37] <Riddell> davmor2: new kubuntu-meta uploaded, we'll need to wait for it hit the archives then I'll rebuild the CDs
[10:38] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay :)
[10:42] <Stecchino> Riddell: it's fixed
[10:42] <Stecchino> thx
[10:43] <Riddell> Stecchino: ok sorry about that, I really need to find an hour to fix that patch
[10:44] <Stecchino> Riddell: asiego offered to help BTW
[10:45] <Riddell> Stecchino: I have notes from him from when he looked at the patch, it's just silly coding errors of mine but I've utterly failed to find the time to look at it
[10:45] <Riddell> maybe today I will, keep poking me
[10:51] <Quintasan> bug #408962
[10:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[11:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: let me look
[11:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: 0.3 is already in the archive
[11:05] <Quintasan> -_-
[11:05] <Quintasan> really?
[11:05] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-runner-kopete says so
[11:05] <Riddell> some chap called Michał Zając packaged it
[11:06] <Quintasan> That would be me, but I don't remember doing it for 0.3 O_O
[11:06] <Riddell> ha ha :)
[11:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, if you have some time please take a look at - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kpassgen
[11:09] <Riddell> NCommander: did you need that CD I burnt?
[11:10] <NCommander> Riddell, no, because my HDD committed suicide
[11:10] <Riddell> poor thing
[11:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: commented
[11:26] <Riddell> revu login doesn't seem to work in arora :(
[11:27] <Quintasan> I think I found alternative to Acetone ISO since it uses too copyright images and upstream was too busy/lazy to give me a reply
[11:42] <ghostcube> hi
[12:03] <ghostcube> hmmm i think i found a bug :D
[12:03] <ghostcube> -_-
[12:03] <ghostcube> maybe
[12:22] <Nightrose> update notifier icon is missing in kde 4.3 rc3 and final (at least)
[12:22] <Nightrose> known problem?
[12:23] <Nightrose> missing icon ? in the systray looks rather ugly
[12:27] <Riddell> NCommander: the restart icon changed name
[12:27] <Riddell> Nightrose: rather
[12:27] <Riddell> so that won't get shown
[12:31] <Nightrose> ok
[12:31]  * Nightrose just saw the new KDM theme for the first time
[12:31] <Nightrose> sooooo beautiful
[12:34] <Riddell> exclusive to Kubuntu too :)
[12:34] <Riddell> (and any other distro that applied the patch)
[12:35] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:37] <ghostcube> fellows anyone wants to test something with kde 4.3.0 and copiz as dafault wm
[12:37] <Nightrose> hmm after logging in, when the loading is shown I get a blackish wallpaper - not sure if I set that at some point or if that is a kubuntu thing
[12:37] <ghostcube> there is a little weird bug
[12:37] <Nightrose> can I change that somewhere?
[12:37] <Nightrose> it doesn't fit with air at all
[12:37]  * Nightrose can't find where to change that
[12:38] <ghostcube> i changed kdm style lol to the old one and i get the blue walli between loadings
[12:38] <ghostcube> rofl
[12:38] <ghostcube> kde 4.3.0 isnt starting compiz as default wm seems to forget to load the option
[12:38] <ghostcube> oO
[12:40] <Nightrose> ahhhh
[12:40] <Nightrose> splash screen in system settings
[12:40] <Nightrose> but i can't seem to change the wallpaper
[12:41]  * Nightrose installs new theme
[12:43] <Nightrose> hmmm doesn't work
[12:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: no black wallpaper from us, it's the default KDE blueish one
[12:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: set it with right click on desktop -> Desktop Settings
[12:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: you get a blue wallpaper when the splash screen shows?
[12:45] <Nightrose> no i don't mean the real desktop wallpaper
[12:45] <Riddell> Nightrose: the startup ksplash?  yes
[12:45] <Nightrose> jep
[12:45] <Nightrose> hmmm
[12:46]  * Nightrose is puzzled
[12:48] <Nightrose> aha!
[12:48] <Nightrose> all the other air splash screens on kde-apps probably try to replace the one i already have
[12:48] <Nightrose> downloading another one works
[12:50] <davmor2> Riddell: we got a new iso yet?
[12:52] <Riddell> davmor2: yes but I the logs havn't synced yet so I don't know if it actually built a new live fs
[13:05] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, looks like it failed on a random mirror issue http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805.1/livecd-20090805.1-amd64.out
[13:06] <Riddell> no, same old udev/hal conflict issue http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805.1/livecd-20090805.1-i386.out
[13:18] <desaparecido> hi, somebody has a blackscreen with last upgrade to kde 4.3 final release in Karmic?
[13:18] <micmord> desaparecido: I got it... but i realized having start a blockbox session
[13:20] <micmord> s/blockbox/Openbox
[13:21] <desaparecido> micmord, with fluxbox (in my case) all it's ok, but in kde session is a black screen but i can access to programs by alt+F2 :)
[13:22] <desaparecido> i don't have internet access, even with knetworkmanager, i can't understand
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: lol, I uploaded it for you last night
[13:27] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna: in the mood to confirm an compiz startup bug :)
[13:27] <ghostcube> on 4.30
[13:28]  * JontheEchidna doesn't use compiz
[13:29] <ghostcube> you dont need to use it normal only installed must it be
[13:29] <ghostcube> :D
[13:29] <ghostcube> ehm boah german grammar in english is bad ass
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> German must Yoda be :P
[13:32] <ghostcube> yeah
[13:32] <ghostcube> in german sounds like nur installiert muss es sein
[13:32] <ghostcube> :D
[13:33] <ghostcube> sounds ok
[13:39] <rgreening> ghostcube: I am your father...
[13:40] <ghostcube> nah
[13:40] <ghostcube> oO
[13:40] <ghostcube> iam to old for this
[13:40]  * rgreening bradishes saber
[13:40] <ghostcube> :D
[13:40] <ghostcube> anyone can test this weird compiz startup bug
[13:40] <ghostcube> :)
[13:41]  * rgreening is knee deep in troubleshooting his system
[13:41] <ghostcube> hmm i had this last  nght after update to 4.3
[13:42] <ghostcube> and ended in mv .kde to .kde-old
[13:42] <ghostcube> :D
[13:54] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[14:06] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: fyi: I uploaded a new Aurorae release with GHNS support
[14:06] <Riddell> what's Aurorae mgraesslin?
[14:07] <mgraesslin> SVG based theme engine for KWin
[14:07] <Riddell> oh aye
[14:07] <mgraesslin> there's a package in karmic kwin-style-aurorae
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: cool, I'll check it out
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: the page still looks 0.1.1ish: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aurorae+Theme+Engine?content=107158
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> at least the tarball really is 0.2
[14:12] <mgraesslin> somethings strange with kde-look
[14:13] <Riddell> davmor2: I found another dependency on hal-cups-utils, so it'll be another couple of hours before that fix gets into the archive
[14:13] <mgraesslin> if I click window decorations -> native there it says 0.2
[14:13] <mgraesslin> seems to be some caching problems
[14:16] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: :D
[14:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:16] <Quintasan> How do I check what graphic driver I'm using?
[14:16] <ghostcube> glxinfo grep Vendor
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> /var/log/Xorg.0.log is helpful
[14:18] <Quintasan> radeon
[14:18] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:18] <ghostcube> Quintasan: move .kde worked
[14:18] <ghostcube> all fine again now
[14:18] <ghostcube> seems the updates didnt like my settings
[14:18] <ghostcube> :D
[14:18] <Quintasan> see, I told you :P
[14:19] <ghostcube> but the compiz problem is weird
[14:20] <Quintasan> urgh, jockey-kde is boked
[14:20] <Quintasan> borked*
[14:25] <Quintasan> k, let's try fglrx
[14:26]  * Quintasan has sad experience with fglrx
[14:29] <davmor2> Riddell: meh okay :)
[14:37] <desaparecido> hi, i have a problem with kde 4.3 session, a blackscreen.. (after last upgrade, in karmic), somes ideas???
[14:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: w.k.o/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic says "Get rid of archive and downloads on the left", mind if I set in to only show the archive on say, www.k.o/news ?
[14:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't want want a news block somewhere?
[14:39] <Riddell> so the main page is an intro to kubuntu and the news becomes just headlines in a block somewhere?
[14:40] <Riddell> (which could include a link to www.k.o/news with the archives)
[14:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[14:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you want to wait until I get it done before I move the "archive" block over?
[14:41] <ryanakca> by "archive" I mean the per month links to the stories / news
[14:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: yeah I think so
[14:44] <ghostcube> is kde 4.3.0 checking if glx is possible to enable or is it default setting
[14:44] <ghostcube> tthat effects are on
[14:45] <quintasan1> as expetec of fglrx
[14:46]  * quintasan1 rages
[14:49] <quintasan1> yeah
[14:50] <quintasan1> grrr
[15:03] <micmord> I got problem on upgrade to KDE4.3, after three upgrade kde-icons-oxygen works. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248018/
[15:36] <micmord> bug 409357
[15:55] <Riddell> micmord: fix uploaded, thanks
[15:55] <Riddell> was a typo at fault
[15:55] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get -f is youre friend
[15:55] <ghostcube> :)
[15:56] <ghostcube> but the update had noticed many dpkg errors
[15:56] <ghostcube> i needed apt-get -f install 3 times
[15:56] <ghostcube> till my kde 4.3 was on machine
[15:56] <ghostcube> many overrides
[15:56] <ghostcube> writes
[15:58] <Riddell> rgreening: I tried usb-creator-kde but something broke, it told me to look in the log file but didn't say which log file
[15:58] <Riddell> it seemed like hal crashed
[15:59] <Riddell> rgreening: -gtk broke just the same so it's nothing specific to you
[15:59] <allee>  I'd added a fix for bug 390396   Next step is?  To ping here? :)
[15:59] <Riddell> maybe I should poke evan
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Bille wants us to backport the knetworkmanager applet to our KDE 4.3 repo, I have it building in staging
[15:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah saw that, seems like a good idea
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> once the i386 builder gets off it's ass I'll copy it over to backports
[16:00] <Riddell> allee: lovely
[16:03] <Riddell> allee: very good, I'll add that to the packaging
[16:04] <allee> thx
[16:04] <Riddell> allee: inface you can just add it to the packaging if you want to
[16:04] <Riddell> infact
[16:06] <allee> Riddell: mhmm never done this.  But that's a good reason to do it.  bzr here am I ...
[16:06] <Riddell> allee: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[16:06] <Riddell> put it in debian/patches with a sensible name, add to debian/patches/series, dch -i and bzr commit
[16:07] <allee> Riddell: ah, direct upload, no merge request necessary.  great
[16:08] <Riddell> a privilage of membership :)
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just uploaded a fixed kds since the previous upload did ftbfs...
[16:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been quite away since I'm building my own company to start my new job, I'll be in canada for 6 weeks starting next week, so presumably with plenty of available time...
[16:14] <Tonio_> can't wait
[16:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: goodness, what's happening in Canada?
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll be employed by a canonical partner, based there, so 6 weeks is for the integration to the company
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: next to that I'll work in france, from home
[16:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: so despite the fact I'm quite away from kubuntu atm, this is pretty cool for the future, as this will help me contribute more
[16:16] <Tonio_> also since technically this company is my client, and I'll work on my own now :)
[16:16] <Tonio_> hopefully I'll finally be able to help in making karmic our best release ever...
[16:17] <Tonio_> I'm a bit ashamed of the relativelly poor level of contribution right now, but real life is sometimes the real priority ;)
[16:17] <Tonio_> s/the leve of contribution/my level of contribution/ :)
[16:19] <Nightrose> is the facebook plugin for kopete available for jaunty somwhere?
[16:19] <Nightrose> kde 4.3
[16:24] <Tonio_> Nightrose: forget about it, it is buggy as hell :)
[16:24] <Tonio_> Nightrose: it won't refresh the contact list, just as for example
[16:25] <Nightrose> hmmm
[16:25]  * JontheEchidna packages newest konvi alpha
[16:27] <Nightrose> Tonio_: are there packages anyway?
[16:27]  * Nightrose would like to give it a try for fun and giggles
[16:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I don't think so, also, the backport shoudl be easy as long as kde 4.3 is packaged for jaunty
[16:28] <Nightrose> it is
[16:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I think it won't build with 4.2 afair
[16:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: then you can just apt-get source && pbuilder, should work
[16:28] <Nightrose> meh - i thought i can avoid that - exam in twodays ;-)
[16:29] <Tonio_> as long as you have the backport reposiroty in your pbuilderrc
[16:29] <Tonio_> Nightrose: then go for the exams :)
[16:49] <allee> Riddell: commited (plus a typo fix in kubuntu_17_abort_string.diff)
[16:50]  * allee runs to the biergarten
[16:51] <davmor2> hey Riddell any joy yet?
[16:54] <Riddell> davmor2: new package just hit the archive, let's try a rebuilt
[16:59] <maco> allee: i did i spell cancel as "cancle" or some such?
[16:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Where will you be in Canada?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> Any core-dev around that can sponsor bug 409406?
[17:01] <Tonio_> ryanakca: nearby montreal
[17:01] <Tonio_> ryanakca: Sherbrooke
[17:02] <Tonio_> ryanakca: have to go, but we can discuss this later :
[17:02] <Tonio_> ;)
[17:02] <davmor2> Yay
[17:02] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Eh, only four and a bit hours away, have fun :)
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> speaking of kopete-facebook... http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/557
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> anybody take that one yet?
[17:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I had asked ryanakca to look at it I believe (not sure if it got done)
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> I see QtCurve has made yet another release (seriously, damn) so I'll work on that then
[17:32]  * JontheEchidna found this interesting: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/08/04/koffice-needs-you-and-we-need-koffice/
[17:34] <Riddell> davmor2: humph, still doesn't work
[17:54] <dpm> Riddell: quick question: where are the upstream tarballs for the kde-l10n-xx snapshots fetched from?
[17:54] <Riddell> dpm: ftp.kde.org
[17:54] <Riddell> pub/kde/stable/4.3.0/src/kde-l10n I think
[17:56] <Riddell> well that's the releases, the snapshots are in pub/kde/unstable/..
[17:56] <Riddell> and appear sporadically
[18:14] <dpm> right, thanks
[18:17] <ryanakca> rgreening: You had asked me to do the plasmoid, I'm not sure who was doing the kopete plugin, Tonio_ was saying that "it is bugg as hell :)" a couple of hours ago
[18:18] <rgreening> ah. right.... JontheEchidna, try it if you like. :)
[18:18] <rgreening> thanks ryanakca
[18:18] <ryanakca> rgreening: As for the plasmoid, it's a bit of a PITA... plasma can't find the python module when I do a global install ( placing the files under /usr, using the same layout as ~/.kde ), I can't use plasmapkg  since it requires X,
[18:18] <ryanakca> etc, etc. Feel like taking a look at it?
[18:20] <rgreening> ryanakca: sure, got it posted/available somewhere?
[18:24] <Riddell> ** jaunty testers needed for new network manager and python-kde4
[18:25] <_Sime> whatyousay riddell?
[18:25] <ryanakca> rgreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/plasma-widget-facebook_1.0-1.dsc
[18:26] <Riddell> _Sime: trying jaunty packages of kdebindings, I came across an issue with PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py though, did you ever decide where that should be installed?
[18:27] <_Sime> Riddell: someone has been looking into that problem and has changed the install location a few times. I hope they actually tested it too. ;-)
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> the kopete facebook plugin needeth a new qjson
[18:27] <ryanakca> rgreening: I'm trying a setup.py script, I can import the plugin from python.
[18:27] <ryanakca> s/plugin/plasmoid/
[18:29] <Riddell> _Sime: well PyQt4 seems a strange place to put a PyKDE module
[18:30] <Riddell> and it happened to cause funny packaging issues in jaunty because PyQt4 itself is installed elsewhere so it ends up with two PyQt4s and python imports the wrong one
[18:30] <_Sime> Riddell: it acts as an extension plugin.
[18:33] <ryanakca> rgreening: I think that all that might need to be done is to patch the metadata.desktop file so that it uses plasma_widget_facebook.main ...
[18:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you have anyone test that new network manager?
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's the same as what's in karmic currently
[19:00] <Riddell> that means nothing
[19:00] <Riddell> network manager is stupidly fragile, it needs testing in triplicate at every stage
[19:06] <maco> i would test it if i had a panel, however since plasma-desktop refuses to load... *shrug*
[19:06] <Riddell> maco: what's your problem?
[19:06] <maco> plasma-desktop go boom?
[19:07] <maco> http://pastebin.ca/1519463
[19:08] <maco> Riddell: ^
[19:10] <Riddell> maco: that doesn't tell much, do you get a backtrace?
[19:10] <Riddell> gdb plasma-desktop args=--nofork
[19:18] <maco> uhhh that doesnt work
[19:19] <maco> args=--no-fork not found...
[19:19]  * maco looks through wiki
[19:20] <Riddell> maco: gdb plasma-desktop
[19:20] <Riddell> set args --nofork
[19:20] <Riddell> run

[19:20] <maco> ah "run --no-fork"
[19:20] <Riddell> bt
[19:22] <bmunger> is it known that akregator is non functional?
[19:23] <bmunger> does not crash, but does not fetch feeds
[19:23] <maco> http://pastebin.ca/1519483
[19:23] <maco> bmunger: fetches for e
[19:23] <maco> *me
[19:23] <maco> in karmic at least
[19:24] <bmunger> yes karmic, i have it on a virtual machine and a laptop..both never work
[19:24] <bmunger> shows the red x on every feed, even the default ones
[19:24] <maco> kde planet and my blog's comment feed both work for me
[19:25] <bmunger> interesting
[19:25] <Riddell> maco: looks like a crash with network manager, what version do you have installed?  apt-cache policy plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[19:27] <maco> Installed: none
[19:28] <Riddell> maco: this is karmic?
[19:28] <bmunger> i killed the akregator config directory and it still does not fetch the default feeds
[19:28] <maco> aye
[19:29] <Riddell> maco: I'm confused.  try installing  plasma-widget-networkmanagement ?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> Debian has 4.3.0 packages up, if anybody is in a merging mood
[20:03] <maco> Riddell: that worked!
[20:10] <davmor2> Riddell: Bummer still the hal-cups-utils?
[20:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/AppsRemoval a good url to track removed apps and the reason for removal?
[20:26] <maco> Riddell: nm looks like a cell phone
[20:26] <maco> and says its unstable and will crash me
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> maco: run knetworkmanager, like it says :P
[20:26] <maco> yet installing it resolves my crashes...weird
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> the applet is useless at the moment
[20:26] <maco> JontheEchidna: ah but if i dont have the plasmoid, plasma-desktop doesnt run
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> weird
[20:26] <maco> and i use /etc/network/interfaces anyway. the applet's been useless for like 6 months
[20:27]  * OdyX points to wicd
[20:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we has kde-l10n in the ppa yet?
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: not that I saww
[20:31] <apachelogger> actually
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> -w
[20:31] <apachelogger> we should either upload as lang-packs or create lang-packs that depend on kde-l10n
[20:31] <apachelogger> otherwise their aint is no smooth transition
[20:32] <apachelogger> of course... if the language selectore supported list enhancements via defintion files or something
[20:48] <Quintasan> I give up
[20:48] <Quintasan> fglrx is stupid, retarded and I lack adjectives to describe it
[20:59] <valgaav> Quintasan: soon you will not have to use it ... open source drivers for the newest ATI cards are really almost here ...
[20:59] <Quintasan> valgaav: I have Radeon HD3450 :/
[20:59] <Quintasan> GRRRRRR
[21:00] <Quintasan> nice
[21:00] <Quintasan> HDMI output in my video card was set as default card in alsa
[21:00] <valgaav> well : http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=47
[21:01] <valgaav> HD3450 is r6xx ... and running compiz means that those drivers are really almost ready
[21:01] <Quintasan> the driver is radeonhd?
[21:02] <valgaav> AFAIK radeon not radeonhd
[21:02] <nielsslot> i ran KWin with 3d on that yesterday.. the cube works.. be it very very slow
[21:05] <maco> Quintasan: that's offensive to mentally disabled people. comparing them to ati drivers,oh my!
[21:05] <Quintasan> ohshi-
[21:07] <valgaav> well the driver is still slow because they use back buffer instead of front buffer or something like that ... once fixed there will be huge performance gain
[21:07] <nielsslot> valgaav: i know.. i'm following the development as closly as possible
[21:14] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f294c151 <-- this means fglrx is not working?
[21:21] <Monika|K> Quintasan: right
[21:22] <Monika|K> if it were working, it would look somewhat like this http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI/fglrx#berpruefung
[21:23] <dtchen> Riddell: fixed in 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu1, thanks
[21:32] <_Sime> 's cat is snoring...
[21:32]  * _Sime 's cat is snoring...
[21:33] <Monika|K> my cats are, unfortunately, puking
[21:33] <Monika|K> ate grass
[21:34] <_Sime> mine puked last night, and this morning
[21:34] <_Sime> seems to be cleared up now.
[21:36] <Quintasan_> I think I made it
[21:37] <Quintasan> YAY
[22:01] <ghostcube> any news for the translation packages for 4.3.0
[22:01] <ghostcube> :)
[22:22] <Varox> hi all!
[22:22] <Varox> i just tried to update to kde 4.3
[22:22] <Monika|K> hi
[22:22] <Varox> but it's not working
[22:22] <Varox> and i get the following error
[22:22] <dtchen> Varox: it's a missing Conflicts/Replaces
[22:22] <Varox> do you know how to fix it?
[22:22] <Varox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232503
[22:22] <Varox> dtchen: lol
[22:23] <dtchen> Varox: you can either wait for it to be fixed in the PPA, or you can use dpkg --force-overwrite
[22:23] <Varox> dtchen: thanks, i think i will wait for the fix in PPA
[22:23] <Varox> how long does it usually take?
[22:23] <dtchen> no idea
[22:24] <Varox> ok
[22:24] <Varox> it probably was a stupid question :)
[22:25] <Varox> so it's time to go to bed now, late over here
[22:25] <Varox> have a good night!
[22:25] <Varox> and thanks for your help
[22:25] <dtchen> np
[22:26] <ghostcube> Varox: a apt-get -f install
[22:26] <ghostcube> schould work too
[22:26] <ghostcube> then retry an sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:29] <Quintasan> hmm I don't like it, KWin effects suck with fglrx but compiz works just fine
[22:30] <ghostcube> Quintasan: yeah compiz has better workflow
[22:30] <ghostcube> do you use it ?
[22:30] <Quintasan> just started
[22:30] <Quintasan> But no window decorations
[22:30] <ghostcube> standard repo version
[22:30] <Quintasan> hmm emerald doesn't work
[22:30] <ghostcube> grafic card is what
[22:30] <ghostcube> ?
[22:30] <Quintasan> Radeon HD 3450
[22:31] <ghostcube> check that the window deco plugin is set
[22:31] <Quintasan> emerald --replace worked :P
[22:31] <ghostcube> Quintasan: check the plugin
[22:31] <ghostcube> in ccsm
[22:31] <ghostcube> can we try something please
[22:31] <ghostcube> go to systemsettings >> desfault komponents
[22:31] <ghostcube> window manager and set it to compiz
[22:32] <ghostcube> and relogin to youre user
[22:32] <ghostcube> if it wont get startet the bug is confirmed and i can file one
[22:32] <ghostcube> you must go there after login if compiz is refusing to start and check kwin again
[22:32] <Quintasan> file it
[22:32] <ghostcube> so not starting ?
[22:32] <Quintasan> compiz starts because ring switcher works
[22:33] <ghostcube> yeah agfter login too ?
[22:33] <Quintasan> but no decoration == emerald not starting
[22:33] <ghostcube> if you set to auto
[22:33] <Quintasan> yup
[22:33] <ghostcube> hmmm
[22:34] <ghostcube> have you checked the decoration plugin
[22:34] <ghostcube> in ccsm
[22:34] <ghostcube> btw why is ksnapshot not more atartet by the print button
[22:34] <ghostcube> oO
[22:34] <ghostcube> damn
[22:37] <Quintasan> I think I will stick with KWin
[22:37] <ghostcube> hmm fort me compiz works fine except the startup bug
[22:37] <ghostcube> oO
[22:38] <ghostcube> iusnt print button supposed to start knsapshot normally
[22:38] <ghostcube> oO
[22:38] <Quintasan> well don't mind me, I just don't like compiz
[22:40] <ghostcube> Quintasan: can u may check i print opens ksnapshot for you
[22:41] <Quintasan> nope
[22:41] <Quintasan> set it manually in systemsettings
[22:41] <Quintasan> I'm thankful enough for working fglrx
[22:43] <bdgraue> Quintasan: where do i set print for screenshot?
[22:43] <ghostcube> good question
[22:43] <ghostcube> in global shortcuts it doesnt recognize it
[22:44] <bdgraue> Launches KSnapShot when PrintScrn is pressed.
[22:44] <bdgraue> hmm, dunno the english for that
[22:46] <ghostcube> thx
[22:47] <ghostcube> ha5rd to find
[22:48] <bdgraue> found it :D
[23:00] <Monika|K> I ordered 100 Kubuntu CDs for Froscon. Approved were 10. The package says 10 on the outside. It contains 1. <sigh>
[23:03] <ghostcube> cool the super to win key mapping is nice
[23:03] <ghostcube> :)
[23:03] <Monika|K> what is the super key?
[23:03] <ghostcube> compiz uses it its normally the windows key
[23:04] <Monika|K> but what does it do?
[23:04] <ghostcube> nothing its just named super key
[23:04] <ghostcube> oO
[23:04] <ghostcube> i didnt have a windows key here
[23:04] <ghostcube> so i need to map it to another buttpon as super key
[23:06] <ghostcube> hmmm if i get a notification it shows the numbers of notificationds but not the reason and the text
[23:06] <ghostcube> oO
[23:07] <ghostcube> anyway not so important
[23:07] <ghostcube> :)


[16:25] <arualavi> @schedule andorra
[16:25] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Andorra: 02 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 15:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 15:00: Desktop Team Development


[00:00] <CarlFK> to a new thing that uses yaml ... are there images using this yet?
[08:19] <tjaalton> CarlFK: it's called subiquity, and the current focal images should use it aiui
[08:19] <CarlFK> tjaalton: thanks
[08:21] <tjaalton> server image that is
[08:30] <xnox> mwhudson:  arrrrrrrrgh
[08:30] <JackFrost> International pirate day?
[08:31] <mwhudson> xnox: p. much
[08:32] <mwhudson> xnox: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/bionic/ubuntu-server-live/+build/200376 has new casper, not sure image has been published yet though
[08:34] <mwhudson> (it hasn't)
[08:56] <CarlFK> tjaalton: any idea why this is now an iso9660?  (which is RO, so I can't mount and tweek it's boot parameters) http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
[08:57] <tjaalton> no
[08:58]  * CarlFK crys
[09:36] <alkisg> Hi all. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792687 recommends NOT regenerating the .pot file on each build, yet python-distutils-extra's build_i18n.py does that unconditionally. Any way around it, or any other advice?
[10:10] <xnox> jibel:  bdmurray: is this critical for .4 release? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1860559 and do we need ask kernel team to fix this; or should we promote finalrd to main and make casper depend on it. As far as I can tell it's installer failing to reboot, rather than installed systems.
[10:11] <xnox> sil2100:  ^
[10:17] <sil2100> xnox: I would like the kernel team to take a look and see what caused the regression, at least for now. Didn't dive into the bug so I'm not saying no to the finalrd approach, but before making a decision it would be wise to know what the fudge happened
[11:00] <rbalint> update_excuses is quite outdated :-(
[11:01] <rbalint> sil2100, , could you please trigger it? ^
[11:02] <cjwatson> update_excuses is updated automatically as fast as it can go.  If it's outdated then it's not just a matter of triggering it.
[11:03] <cjwatson> Also it's only 14 minutes old.
[11:04] <cjwatson> Updated seconds after you asked, I think (the timestamp that's 14 minutes old is probably when the process started; the mtime on the filesystem is about three minutes old)
[11:13] <rbalint> cjwatson, thanks!
[11:14] <sil2100> rbalint: which update_excuses do you mean? Since if it's about the focal one, it's as cjwatson mentioned
[11:14] <rbalint> sil2100, cjwatson when i asked it was from 2020.01.22 21:06:24 +0000
[11:16] <rbalint> sil2100, cjwatson i think ~11 hours is a bit long between updates, maybe something regressed and became very slow
[11:16] <sil2100> uh, sounds very unlikely, you sure you didn't have some cached version on your browser? I don't think britney ever took so long
[11:16] <sil2100> I can actually check the logs, wait
[11:17] <sil2100> rbalint: looking at the logs, it looks like britney was rather running as expected
[11:18] <rbalint> sil2100, strange, i tried refreshing
[11:18] <sil2100> rbalint: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/focal/2020-01-23/
[11:18] <rbalint> sil2100, i'll check with wget next time
[11:19] <rbalint> sil2100, cjwatson sorry for the noise then
[11:19] <sil2100> rbalint: no worries! It still might have been something fishy indeed, but at least from the britney POV it seemed to be working as intended
[11:27] <bdmurray> sil2100: who will chase down the kernel team regarding that 18.04.4 bug?
[11:29] <sil2100> bdmurray: if xnox didn't yet, I will poke them in a moment
[11:31] <sil2100> bdmurray: jibel poked them already, I'll follow up as well
[11:33] <rbasak> waveform: we should discuss this in public really, so let's chat here
[11:33] <waveform> rbasak, sure
[11:34] <rbasak> The planned flash-kernel change fixes a race that already sort of exists I think
[11:34] <rbasak> So perhaps we can land the u-boot-rpi changes now, certainly in Focal
[11:34] <waveform> rbasak, a race? Where's that?
[11:35] <rbasak> That without the Depends it's possible flash-kernel will be deconfigured
[11:35] <waveform> ah yes - of course, and now it'll ensure it runs anyway
[11:36] <rbasak> Does the Breaks then need to be bumped to refer to the version where we fix this in flash-kernel - for Bionic or Focal or both?
[11:37] <waveform> hmm - the Breaks was mostly to do with the issue that the proposed u-boot will not accept the uboot.env from older f-k's (only applicable to the bionic pi2 image, but still) - but if we're relying on the new f-k trigger behaviour then it probably would be sensible to bump it up
[11:38] <rbasak> It would ensure that an older flash-kernel won't be running at the time the postinst runs
[11:39] <rbasak> And flash-kernel will be upgraded if was installed at some point during a full upgrade
[11:41] <waveform> yup - sounds good - I'll tweak that commit; would I be right in thinking focal will be 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu4 and bionic will be 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:41] <rbasak> Hang on
[11:41] <rbasak> I'm not certain the Breaks needs to be bumped!
[11:42] <rbasak> And do we know the version of flash-kernel that will be uploaded?
[11:44] <rbasak> This mess is complicated :(
[11:45] <rbasak> ddstreet: ubuntu-dev-tools imported
[11:45] <rbasak> It'll be manual until my whitelist change lands
[11:48] <waveform> rbasak, doh! Was looking at the u-boot versions - just a mo
[11:50] <waveform> rbasak, well - f-k will be jumping from 3.90<stuff> to 3.98<stuff> on bionic so presumably it would be sufficient to just have Breaks: << 3.98
[12:28] <ahasenack> tribaal: hi, about your kitty tip, nice terminal, but I'm finding myself having to install kitty-terminfo in all remote servers I log into :/
[12:28] <tribaal> ahasenack: for me it's only a problem if I want to tmux inside of (Ubuntu) remotes
[12:28] <tribaal> just SSH seems to work out of the box
[12:29] <ahasenack> tribaal: saw that with tmux, yes, but just now saw that backspace didn't work without the terminfo package
[12:29] <tribaal> oh?
[12:29]  * tribaal tries
[12:29] <ahasenack> maybe something in focal, though. It was a focal lxd I started up
[12:29] <tribaal> works fine here on a 16.04 remote
[12:30] <tribaal> having the terminfo installed by default in focal would be nice
[12:30] <tribaal> but I guess that'd be a thing to send to upstream terminfo if there's such a thing :)
[12:32]  * tribaal tries on a focal lxd as well
[12:34] <tribaal> ahasenack: silly question: how do you launch a focal LXD? I see to remember there was a special alias for in-devel distros, but I can't remember what
[12:34] <ahasenack> tribaal: lxc launch ubuntu-daily:focal
[12:35] <tribaal> ahhh ubuntu-daily: that's the trick :)
[12:35] <tribaal> ahasenack:thanks
[12:42] <tribaal> ahasenack: indeed, backspace doesn't work via SSH on eoan/focal apparently
[12:42] <tribaal> works fine on bionic however
[12:42] <ahasenack> interesting
[12:42]  * tribaal tries disco
[12:44] <tribaal> disco fails as well
[12:47] <tribaal> yep, just tried on our platform as well - it's not LXD-related
[12:47] <tribaal> works on bionic, but not on disco+
[12:49] <ahasenack> lxd or not?
[12:50] <tribaal> ahasenack: correct. For disco+ the backspace key doesn't work on LXD and on "normal" virtualisation
[12:50] <tribaal> for bionci the backspace key seems to behave properly in both cases
[12:50] <tribaal> (LXD and non-LXD)
[12:53] <ahasenack> tribaal: I also seem to have lost my prompt colors
[12:55] <ahasenack> noaha
[12:55] <ahasenack> case "$TERM" in
[12:55] <ahasenack>     xterm-color|*-256color) color_prompt=yes;;
[12:55] <ahasenack> esac
[12:55] <ahasenack> but TERM is xterm-kitty
[12:56] <tribaal> ah ha
[12:57] <tribaal> ahasenack: does it behave like this on bionic as well? I wonder why the backspace works there and not later
[12:57] <ahasenack> I'm on eoan
[12:59] <ahasenack> TERMs are complicated
[13:06] <tribaal> ahasenack: I'm on eoan as well, but connecting to bionic
[14:28] <rbalint> apw, could you please merge this hint for systemd? https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/377998
[15:03] <apw> rbalint, could you check line 14
[15:04] <rbalint> apw, thanks, fixed!
[16:08] <rbasak> waveform: on u-boot, give me a few minutes to think this through
[16:08] <waveform> rbasak, no prob
[16:09] <rbasak> Which branches exactly are ready?
[16:09] <rbasak> sru-pi4 preferred for both?
[16:09] <rbasak> waveform: do you have an LP bug ready? We'll need that for the SRU at a minimum
[16:10] <rbasak> But probably best to write everything up there
[16:10] <rbasak> Together with the required SRU paperwork
[16:10] <waveform> rbasak, yup - oh, I need to update the branch links though - just a mo
[16:11] <waveform> rbasak, LP: #1846329
[16:11] <waveform> rbasak, and just for reference the f-k one is LP: #1847587
[16:12] <waveform> (should have the correct branch links in there too now)
[16:22] <rbasak> waveform: you still need the trigger thing, don't you?
[16:23] <rbasak> Because if flash-kernel is upgraded first and entirely, then the u-boot-rpi upgrade won't cause flash-kernel to run again otherwise?
[16:24] <waveform> rbasak, that doesn't matter - u-boot copies itself into the boot partition (it shouldn't but as discussed with infinity on -release last night that's a bigger fix than we want to do right now); so if flash-kernel goes first then it'll already have updated the boot scripts, then u-boot updates (and updates itself)
[16:26] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[16:26] <rbasak> Sorry, I had my head round this on Tuesday, but keeping my head around the complexities is quite difficult!
[16:27] <waveform> rbasak, no prob - I know the feeling :)
[16:31] <rbasak> dannf: o/
[16:31] <rbasak> dannf: do you have any interest currently in u-boot or flash-kernel?
[16:32] <dannf> rbasak: hi - no, i don't
[16:32] <rbasak> np, thanks.
[16:32] <rbasak> We're about to do a major SRU, so I thought I'd check.
[16:39]  * ahasenack has a pi4 with focal
[16:41] <ackk> hi, I have a tricky deb question. package A is using dbconfig-common to manage a postgres database. now I want to replace A with B (which has Breaks/Replaces/Provides: A). when A gets removed, it asks if the database should be purged. I need that not to happen, is there a way to preseed that answer from scripts in  B?
[16:53] <rbasak> waveform: so I'm uploading f8f21a5 to Focal, right?
[16:53] <waveform> rbasak, yup - that looks right
[16:53] <rbasak> You don't mention the shebang drop in that chagnelog entry. Intentional?
[16:55] <rbasak> waveform: ^
[16:56] <rbasak> In Bionic, you want 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu3~18.04.1 instead of 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> since we need it to be lower than the version in Focal. I can tweak that.
[16:56] <waveform> rbasak, hmm - what's the rules surrounding purely cosmetic changes?
[16:57] <rbasak> waveform: fuzzy. I don't mind either way.
[16:57] <rbasak> What about Disco and Eoan?
[16:57] <waveform> in that case, let's say intentional (rather than "Dave forgot at whatever the unholy hour was last night" :))
[16:57] <rbasak> :-)
[16:58] <rbasak> Disco is EOL now
[16:58] <rbasak> But usually we need to SRU Eoan too
[16:58] <rbasak> Sorry I hadn't looked at that before.
[16:58] <rbasak> vorlon: opinion on Eoan? ^
[16:58] <rbasak> I'm happy to upload your Focal branch
[16:58] <rbasak> Bionic is ready to go with that tweak.
[16:59] <rbasak> Just the Eoan question. That's more of an SRU hat thing.
[16:59] <waveform> Disco's already EOL and Eoan already has pi4 support so from that perspective there's no absolute requirement - but the f-k changes are probably sufficiently important to SRU; the u-boot changes may be relevant for anyone upgrading from bionic
[16:59] <rbasak> Oh, the versioning is good
[16:59] <rbasak> Because you're using ubuntu3
[17:00] <waveform> well ... I'm using whatever dch -i gave me frankly ... really hadn't thought that hard about it
[17:00] <rbasak> Let's say we land your branch as-is right now (with the minor version string tweak to ~ for Bionic)
[17:00] <rbasak> Then what will happen if a user upgrades to Eoan?
[17:01] <rbasak> Eoan has 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu3, which doesn't include your planned changes in Focal 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu4
[17:02] <rbasak> Actually let's defer that.
[17:02] <rbasak> I'll leave a note in the bug.
[17:02] <waveform> just checking something ... okay, there's a potential issue in the case that they're upgrading from the weirdo pi2 image with the differing root file-system label, and the fix for the 3A+ booting is also missing
[17:02] <rbasak> Let's at least put the thing in bionic-proposed assuming the SRU hat is happy. I don't think an Eoan fix will require a change to the Bionic upload.
[17:03] <rbasak> You might need to backport the fixes in Focal back to Eoan in an SRU.
[17:03] <rbalint> sil2100, coult you please merge this for the libnfs transition? https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/378003
[17:03] <waveform> okay - I'll prep and Eoan branch
[17:03] <rbasak> That should be checked before the Bionic SRU is released I think.
[17:03] <waveform> *an
[17:11] <rbalint> doko, could you please do that? LP: #1860698
[17:11] <rbasak> waveform: uploaded
[17:11] <rbasak> waveform: please get yourself PPU for u-boot :-P
[17:12] <waveform> rbasak, thanks - will try!
[17:17] <rbasak> waveform: FTBFS :-/
[17:17] <rbasak> Looks like some Python thing
[17:18] <rbasak> Can I leave that with you?
[17:19] <waveform> rbasak, bizarre ... built in the PPA - yup, leave it with me
[17:19] <rbasak> waveform: maybe a component mismatch?
[17:19] <rbasak> If your PPA has universe visible. u-boot being in main does not for archive builds.
[17:20] <rbasak> Although
[17:20] <waveform> bah "Depends: libpython-dev but it is not going to be installed"
[17:20] <rbasak> Actually, didn't that chagne a while back?
[17:20] <rbasak> Anyway, I'll leave it with you :)
[17:20] <ahasenack> was in main in disco, not so much for eoan
[17:21] <doko> rbasak: I'll leave the i386 removals with vorlon
[17:21] <ahasenack> disco and before, that is
[17:21] <waveform> no idea (if that changed a while back) - but yeah, I'll dig into it
[17:21] <doko> waveform: libpython2-dev
[17:21] <doko> for a quick fix
[17:21] <ahasenack> also in universe for eoan+
[17:23] <doko> waveform: which package is this?
[17:23] <waveform> doko, u-boot-rpi (from u-boot)
[17:24] <doko> I'll have a look to built it
[17:33] <sil2100> rbalint: ACK
[17:34] <doko> waveform: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rhDdKKFfny/   not checked. please make sure that the binary package has the correct dependencies and uses python2 as the shebang
[17:36] <waveform> doko, thanks - will do
[18:31] <waveform> rbasak, I've incorporated doko's python2 patch (plus some extra fixes for any/all bare "python" shebangs I could find) into the focal-clean-up branch, rebased and pushed that - just building the pkg in a PPA again
[18:40] <waveform> rbasak, okay - ignore me - still got a build failure - having a look
[19:04] <ahasenack> autopkgtest is driving me nuts, why isn't it adding deb-src lines anymore?
[19:04] <ahasenack> failed with stderr "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[19:04] <ahasenack> autopkgtest -o dep8 -U -s --apt-pocket=proposed=src:php7.3 ./php-doctrine-dbal-2.10.1/ -- lxd ubuntu-daily:focal
[19:04] <ahasenack> that is my command line
[19:04] <ahasenack> before I had -B, because this package doesn't need rebuilding
[19:04] <ahasenack> same thing
[20:04] <waveform> rbasak, if you're still around: got a u-boot version that builds in -proposed now - I've pushed the rebased branch which has one additional commit at the top to handle the python 2 switchover; all subsequent commits are unaltered
[20:48] <coreycb> tjaalton: Hi, I see you're on sru rota tomorrow. if you have a chance would you be able to take a look at the the openstack uploads in unapproved queues for bug 1858933 and bug 1723030?
[20:48] <tjaalton> coreycb: ok
[20:48] <coreycb> tjaalton: thanks
[20:56]  * mwhudson rubs his eyes
[20:57] <mwhudson> autopkgtest --apt-pocket=proposed -U . fails in the build step
[20:57] <mwhudson> sbuild -d focal passes
[20:57] <mwhudson> how does that happen?>
[20:57] <mwhudson> (for python-jsonschema fwiw)
[20:57] <mwhudson> if this pure python test depends on the running kernel version i am going to be very angry
[20:58] <mwhudson> ah i think the failing tests are skipped in the sbuild case for some reason
[21:36] <mwhudson> ah because python3-json-pointer is not installed in sbuild
[21:36] <mwhudson> why the heck is it in cloud-images
[21:37] <mwhudson> cloud-init -> python-jsonpatch -> python-json-pointer
[22:42] <vorlon> doko, rbasak: ugh why is that skiboot binary there?  looking to see why my scripts haven't already removed it
[22:42] <vorlon> uh weird it's an arch: all binary
[22:42] <vorlon> so that's why
[22:42] <rbasak> waveform: can you give me a commit with an archive-suitable changelog please?
[22:43] <rbasak> With 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu4 in focal-proposed, it needs to be 2019.07+dfsg-1ubuntu5 presumably
[23:53] <vorlon> Laney: do you have any idea about the autopilot-gtk/arm64 autopkgtest failure with new glib2.0? autopilot-gtk itself is uninteresting and will probably be removed as unmaintained (python2), but I'm not sure whether the failure represents a glib2.0 regression


 For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[07:16] <Hobbsee> !startup
[07:16] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[07:16] <Hobbsee> !no startup is <reply> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[07:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[07:16] <Hobbsee> !startup > cables
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> !pidgin
[07:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> %whoami
[07:42] <ubotu> I don't recognize you.
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> %login
[08:07] <Madpilot> %whoami
[08:07] <ubotu> Madpilot
[08:09] <Hobbsee> !who is Madpilot
[08:09] <ubotu> But who already means something else!
[08:09] <Hobbsee> !who
[08:09] <ubotu> As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> !but who is Madpilot?
[08:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[08:09] <Madpilot> just checking to see that the bot hadn't forgotten me too ;)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> argh.
[08:09] <Madpilot> !but
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about but - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <Hobbsee> !no who is <reply> As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[08:10] <Madpilot> !but who
[08:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[08:10] <ubotu> but who is Madpilot?
[08:10] <Madpilot> heh
[08:10] <Madpilot> !forget but who
[08:10] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Madpilot
[08:19] <ubotu> Toma- called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:26] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, I just pulled that mute/ban you set in #u
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> heh, it was timed anyway, but thanks for looking out
[09:23] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, jussi01 said: !pidgin is the new name for GAIM after they sorted out their legal issues with AOL
[09:30] <jussi01> morning ops
[09:34] <jussi01> can someone change the pidgin factoid?? please?
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[09:36] <Hobbsee> !pidgin
[09:36] <ubotu> No, I don't know whether Gaim will be changing names in Feisty yet.  Ask again later (or update this factoid if you know).
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - chances are it will still be called Gaim in Feisty; look for the change in Feisty+1
[09:36] <ubotu> But pidgin already means something else!
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: no, pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - chances are it will still be called Gaim in Feisty; look for the change in Feisty+1
[09:37] <ubotu> I'll remember that tonyyarusso
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> how's that?
[09:37] <jussi01> sounds good :D
[09:38] <jussi01> thanks a lot!!
[09:38] <tonyyarusso> np
[09:41] <jussi01> tonyyarusso, znrox suggests: <zenrox> jussi01: or as a backport to fiesty(or securitey update) and edgy
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: possible, but I wouldn't be the one making that decision - might as well leave it vague for now
[09:42] <jussi01> ahh ok.
[09:43] <jussi01> thanks again
[09:49] <Hobbsee> what are we backporting now?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> gaim?
[10:25] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, PF-Away said: !remember eny is envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here. More at http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See !nvidia and !nvidia9
[10:36] <Amaranth> !envy
[10:36] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here. More at http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See !nvidia and !nvidia9
[10:36] <Amaranth> !forget envy
[10:36] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Amaranth
[10:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, ?
[10:38] <Amaranth> Seveas: Until I can think up a more automatix-y replacement it's probably better to not have it at all
[10:39] <Seveas> heh
[10:39] <Amaranth> The last thing we need is a stupid script to automate kernel upgrade breakage
[10:39] <Fujitsu> \o/ Amaranth.
[10:39] <Burgundavia> does that really pull in new l-r-m?
[10:40] <Seveas> no
[10:40] <Seveas> it installs crud from {ati,nvidia}.com
[10:46] <Burgundavia> ugh
[10:46] <Burgundavia> nothing like random junk like that to break things
[10:57] <Seveas> h'sboth
[10:57] <Seveas> h'es both
[10:57] <Seveas> narf
[10:57] <Seveas> anyway
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:59] <Hobbsee> i was comparing him ot arnieboy
[10:59] <Hobbsee> seems he's slightly more sensible than arnieboy
[11:00] <Hobbsee> and seeing as anyone who uses the nvidia drivers is going to have to recompile them every time anyway....
[11:02] <ompaul> hobbsee but arnieboy is (A) a deity and (B) <---- this far from sensible where each character represents a light year
[11:02] <ompaul> speaking of which
[11:02] <ompaul> Seveas, morning form a lackey
[11:03] <ompaul> which I guess makes RMS your homie
[11:03] <Hobbsee> ompaul: indeed.
[11:03] <ompaul> s/form/from
[11:03] <mneptok> ompaul: only the darker deities demand ritualized sacrifices
[11:04] <ompaul> mneptok, arnieboy at one stage demanded a root password be set and to write over default configuration files is that not just a representation of pure evil?
[11:06] <mneptok> ompaul: never mistake for evil that which can be attributed to stupidity, insanity, or a mixture thereof.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:06] <Hobbsee> hi mneptok
[11:06] <mneptok> arr.
[11:06] <ompaul> mneptok, the request was evil the guy is a fool
[11:06] <Seveas> ompaul, please don't do that to all the fools of this world...
[11:07] <ompaul> Seveas, hmmm, point
[11:07] <Seveas> .
[11:07] <Seveas>
[11:07] <mneptok> the Idiot Union will file suit for defamation
[11:07] <Seveas> mneptok, are you coming to UDS?
[11:07] <mneptok> nope
[11:07] <Amaranth> Seveas: are you going then?
[11:07] <Seveas> darn
[11:07] <mneptok> Etienne and Fabian.
[11:07] <Seveas> yes
[11:08] <mneptok> i'll be at ULive
[11:08] <mneptok> (back to Portland!)
[11:08] <mneptok> munh
[11:08] <ompaul> is that for values of portland please see mneptok
[11:08] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you suck.  you should come to LTS>
[11:08] <Hobbsee> er, UDS
[11:09] <mneptok> come to Dapper ...
[11:09] <ompaul> Hobbsee, Sigmund at work?
[11:09] <mneptok> Hobbsee: not my call, and i didn't push it as i'm in Romania the 2 weeks after ULDTS
[11:10] <Hobbsee> ompaul: no.  just morons who dont have enough money to pay for their purchases.  or any of it
[11:10] <Hobbsee> ompaul: well, i'm assuming you're meaning sigmund as in freud, but not really beyond that, no
[11:11] <mneptok> mop kitchen, or upgrade to Feisty ....
[11:11] <Hobbsee> feisty
[11:11] <Hobbsee> do the mopping of the kitchen *while* the upgrade is going
[11:12] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ahh : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip  given that F+1 should be LTS
[11:12] <mneptok> i like status indicators.
[11:12] <Hobbsee> ompaul: thought they said feisty+1 wasnt going to be
[11:12] <mneptok> it's like a really, really b,oring rollercoaster.
[11:12] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ahh then that is even a bigger one :)
[11:13] <Seveas> ompaul, F+1 won't be LTS
[11:13] <ompaul> k
[11:13] <ompaul> I don't know where I picked that one up from
[11:13] <mneptok> bus station skank
[11:15] <Seveas> ompaul, https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007
[11:15] <ompaul> mneptok, that invites a /* */  I won't make :)
[11:16] <Seveas> [...] here is a good possibility that Feisty+2 will be a Long Term Support (LTS) release, or the basis for a subsequent LTS release depending on how we coordinate the next LTS.
[11:16] <ompaul> Seveas, you put in link I click I read and see :)
[11:16] <Seveas> to me that says: grumpy goat won't be LTS
[11:17] <ompaul> grumpy gnu more like
[11:17] <Seveas> I think there will never be a Bastard Blowfish, Grumpy Gnu or Prancing Penguin
[11:17] <Seveas> Ubuntu doesn't need more controversy :)
[11:18] <ompaul> theo de ratt owns bastard blowfish
[11:18] <Seveas> /cs k mc44 Ubuntu doesn't need more controversy :)
[11:18] <Seveas> ompaul, nice typo there
[11:18] <ompaul> hehe
[11:18] <Seveas> he's a rat :p
[11:18] <mc44> we always need more controversy
[11:19] <mc44> otherwise Id get bored
[11:19] <mneptok> Seveas: maybe you Linux people are willing to cave in and use entire, pre-assembled words like "rat" but i won't. give me the lettrs themselves or NOTHING!
[11:20] <ompaul> mneptok, rofl
[11:20] <ompaul> bloody brilliant!
[11:21] <ompaul> that was excellent
[11:21] <ompaul> mneptok, is a blob free zone!
[11:22] <ompaul> sorry, was I the only one to find that hysterical
[11:23] <mneptok> ompaul: i have my rare moments :)
[11:23] <mc44> ompaul: I have become desensitised to mneptok's brilliance
[11:23] <mneptok> and more adept at euphemisms
[11:23] <Seveas> ompaul, apt-get install blobwars
[11:24] <ompaul> Seveas, ompaul@homer:~$ ompaul, apt-get install blobwars
[11:24] <ompaul> bash: ompaul,: command not found
[11:24] <ompaul> thanks for telling me bash
[11:25] <ompaul> for levels of silly please see the maker of this comment
[03:34] <elkbuntu> did indygunfreak d c c an entire channel again, or just me
[03:38] <PriceChild> I didn't get anything
[03:46] <elkbuntu> ah... looking at the date... it's the last time.. sorry... now... to kill a young idiot in my loco who d c c'd me today
[04:03] <Seveas> !coc-jbj | elkbuntu
[04:03] <ubotu> elkbuntu: a/s/l?
[04:04] <elkbuntu> if she tries to tickle me on the plane, i'll join you
[04:05] <mc44> elkbuntu: sshh you'll give terrorists ideas
[04:05] <elkbuntu> mc44, this isnt an idea... she's already threatened it
[04:06] <mc44> Shes got fingers and she isnt afraid to use them
[04:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:07] <Seveas> that sounds..... wrong....
[04:07] <Seveas> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:07] <PriceChild> wow
 UDS won't be sexy without you </\sh?
[04:08] <Seveas> s/?/>/
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh well.  small price to pay
[04:09] <Seveas> ok, if you help me tickle elkbuntu, I won't tickle you
[04:09] <elkbuntu> ugh
[04:09] <Hobbsee> heh, okay
[04:10] <Seveas> ROFL
[04:10] <Seveas> that's pretty much what the last UDS looked like :)
[04:11] <PriceChild> hehe I can't wait
[04:11] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:12] <Hobbsee> and yelling about the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ?
[04:12] <PriceChild> how are you going to fit it in your suitcase?
[04:12] <mc44> PriceChild: its retractable
[04:12] <PriceChild> or is it like telescopic?
[04:12] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/sysadmin.jpg
[04:13] <Seveas> 2.2TB mailserver and weird sysadmin
[04:13] <Seveas> meh
[04:13] <mc44> Seveas: "Helaas, de door U gevraagde pagina kon niet worden gevonden." :p
[04:13] <Seveas> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/sysadmin.jpg
[04:13] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: great skill.
[04:13] <Seveas> www. doesn't have mod_userdir :)
[04:13] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, and expertise!
[04:13] <Hobbsee> whee...big
[04:14] <PriceChild> hehe he looks to content...
[04:14] <PriceChild> *So
[04:14] <PriceChild> at ease with the world
[04:14] <mc44> PriceChild: right after the photo the trolley rolled away and he fell over in an amusing fashion
[04:17] <Seveas> lol
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Seveas: you promise?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> [00:09]  <Seveas> ok, if you help me tickle elkbuntu, I won't tickle you
[04:22] <Seveas> Hobbsee, yes
[04:22] <Hobbsee> okay.  deal.
[04:22] <Seveas> you hold her arms, I tickle
[04:22] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[04:26] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, i think lucky me has had her blog discovered by eternaljoy/lifepositive/lisapc
[04:26] <elkbuntu> :-/
[04:26] <ompaul> do you really want me to comment on that elkbuntu
[04:26] <Seveas> hi PF-Away
[04:26] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ugh
[04:27] <PF-Away> Seveas: hi
[04:27] <PF-Away> Seveas: can we have ubotu in #ubuntu-no
[04:27] <PF-Away> ?
[04:27] <Seveas> @join %ubuntu-nl
[04:27] <Seveas> @join %ubuntu-no
[04:27] <Seveas> meh
[04:27] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-no
[04:27] <PF-Away> thanks;)
[04:28] <Seveas> PF-Away, which functions of ubotu do you want in there?
[04:28] <elkbuntu> i agree, dont you Hobbsee?
[04:28] <PF-Away> the expert system
[04:28] <PF-Away> functionality
[04:28] <PF-Away> it's great for remembering links and stuff
[04:28] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: indeed.  as long as i'm not the one getting tickled
[04:29] <elkbuntu> yep, im happy not tickled
[04:29] <Seveas> PF-Away, note that you cannot add things to the bot - editing is restricted
[04:29] <elkbuntu> we will have to plan though. he does have longish arms
[04:29] <PF-Away> Seveas: I know
[04:29] <PF-Away> but still;)
[04:29] <effie_jayx> ok I just joined this channels and I was privated messaged with asl???
[04:29] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: handcuffs
[04:29] <Seveas> effie_jayx, by whom?
[04:29] <effie_jayx> blackman___
[04:29] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, this channel as in -ops?
[04:29] <effie_jayx> do you know him?
[04:30] <effie_jayx> ubuntu channels
[04:30] <PF-Away> asl?
[04:30] <Seveas> don't know him, but his IP is in an abusers subnet so I'm not at all surprised :)
[04:30] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, are you in the channel #perl6 ?
[04:31] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  no ... I am in ubuntu
[04:31] <effie_jayx> and he is there
[04:31] <Seveas> effie_jayx, he *was* :)
[04:31] <Seveas> <-- blackman___<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by Seveas)
[04:31] <Seveas> --- Seveas sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:31] <effie_jayx> thank Seveas
[04:31] <effie_jayx> I didn't even speak
[04:32] <effie_jayx> he must have been hunting
[04:32] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, on-join spam
[04:51] <mc44> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Getting_involved_with_Ubuntu#c6052671
[04:54] <ubotu> In ubotu, Firefoxman said: vague is <reply>Please be specific and describe the problem in detail.
[04:54] <PriceChild> haha
[04:58] <Hobbsee> mc44: i wonder who exactly that is...
[04:59] <mc44> Hobbsee: you mean you dont remember the three-way tag-team baiting session :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> mc44: i think there were multiple..so no
[05:00] <Hobbsee> mc44: i ban too many poeple to remember who they all are
[05:00] <Hobbsee> but i vaguely remember the incident
[05:01] <Hobbsee> there are just too many like that...
[05:03] <Hobbsee> mc44: clearly some person i havent missed in the slightest, let's put it that way...
[05:03] <mc44> hehe
[05:03] <mc44> I always wanted to be in a cult
[05:04] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, morpheus_74 said: ubotu, and WinXP is already installed, right?
[05:16] <Firefoxman> I created the project QEmu in launchpad, and now it thinks I am the project's developer. How can I delete the project or reassign its development to the right person? I am in no way associated with its dev.
[05:16] <mc44> Firefoxman: try asking in #launchpad
[05:18] <Firefoxman> I did, I got a responce, responded to that, and noone responded. I asked 10 min ago
[05:18] <Patroa> hello
[05:18] <PriceChild> hi
[05:18] <Firefoxman> !hello > patroa
[05:18] <mc44> Firefoxman: you may have to wait until people are back at work and its not a holiday
[05:18] <Patroa> hello
[05:18] <Firefoxman> Hmm...
[05:19] <Patroa> anyone here brazilian?
[05:19] <Patroa> or latin american?
[05:19] <Firefoxman> Patroa: This channel is for operator/abuse questions only
[05:19] <elkbuntu> oh hey...  No milk for you
[06:34] <atoponce> Mez|OnAir: 50 channels? how can you keep ontop of so many?
[06:39] <fdoving> atoponce: easy answer, he can't. :)
[06:39] <atoponce> i couldn't
[06:40] <atoponce> :)
[06:40] <fdoving> me neither, trying to limit it to ~15.
[06:40] <Mez|OnAir> atoponce, actually, 68
[06:40] <apokryphos> lazy to part only to rejoin another time :p
[06:41] <atoponce> cool. i can only get 20, then freenode tells me that i've reached my limit
[06:41] <Mez|OnAir> apokryphos, indeed (and tune in mofo)
[06:41] <atoponce> but usually, when i'm at that many, i just can't keep it up, and leave 1/2 of them anyway. :)
[06:42] <elkbuntu> atoponce, you just need to boost a staffer's ego to have the restriction lifted
[06:42] <ikonia> Seveas: is everything ok ?
[06:42] <Mez|OnAir> atoponce, it's simple, if someone wants you, they highlight you
[06:42] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, you're coming out my stereo now :)
[06:42] <atoponce> Mez|OnAir: sure. and with fnotify, i never miss a highlight.
[06:43] <apokryphos> Mez|OnAir: what's the link again?
[06:43] <Seveas> hah, R+
[06:43] <ikonia> Seveas: is there something wrong with my x-chat client ?
[06:43] <Seveas> ikonia, no
[06:43] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it was a science experiment
[06:43] <Mez|OnAir> apokryphos, er
[06:43] <ikonia> Seveas: just checking - you did a version on me and I suspected something may have been up
[06:44] <Mez|OnAir> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8008/listen.pls
[06:44] <ikonia> just checking, didn't want to be causing an exploit
[06:44] <Seveas> ikonia, I did a /version on two channels :)
[06:44] <ikonia> no problem - just being safe
[06:44] <Seveas> "An Impromptu Hello From Mez" :)
[06:44] <Mez|OnAir> shite
[06:44] <Mez|OnAir> :D
[06:45] <Mez|OnAir> thanks :d
[06:45] <Mez|OnAir> I have that for my intro
[06:45] <Mez|OnAir> forgot to update it to show the track listing
[06:45] <Seveas> heh
[06:45] <Seveas> Unknown - Rammstein - Ohne Dich
[06:45] <Mez|OnAir> Unknown?
[06:45] <Seveas> yeah
[06:45] <Mez|OnAir> whats that referring to ?
[06:45] <Seveas> -ECLUE
[06:46] <Mez|OnAir> ?
[06:46] <Seveas> Unknown is artist
[06:46] <apokryphos> must not be amarok :P
[06:46] <Seveas> Rammstin - Ohne Dich is song title :)
[06:46] <apokryphos> not here
[06:47] <Mez|OnAir> works fine for me :D
[06:47] <Seveas> odd
[06:47] <Mez|OnAir> reconnect
[06:47] <Seveas> mdp is acting up I guess
[06:47] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, please pass the mustard
[06:48] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  hehehe
[06:48] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:48] <Mez|OnAir> o_O
[06:48] <Mez|OnAir> oh :D
[06:48] <Mez|OnAir> o_O
[06:48] <Seveas> hahaha
[06:48] <effie_jayx> Mez|OnAir,  that version is surely compling with the CoC :D
[06:49] <Seveas> LOL
[06:49] <Seveas> a lot of text is missing :)
[06:49] <Mez|OnAir> effie_jayx, ??
[06:49] <effie_jayx> Mez|OnAir,  the radio edit ... :D keeps the channel friendly :D
[06:50] <Mez|OnAir> effie_jayx, nah, radio edits are bad
[06:50] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, plau some guano apes next ;)
[06:50] <Seveas> play*
[06:50] <Mez|OnAir> I dont have any Seveas
[06:50] <effie_jayx> Mez|OnAir,  I was just looking it from the positive side :S
[06:50] <Seveas> that's fixable ;)
[06:51] <Mez|OnAir> lol
[06:51] <effie_jayx> some danish guy suggested some guano apes next
[06:52] <elkbuntu> lol
[06:52] <Seveas> seveas.dk
[06:53] <elkbuntu> just dont tell menza, it will scare him
[06:53] <Seveas> why?
[06:53] <Mez|OnAir> this isnt the radio edit :d
[06:54] <apokryphos> :o
[06:54] <Mez|OnAir> this is a great mix of closer :d
[06:54] <elkbuntu> Seveas, im not sure how he'd feel about you being his countryman
[06:58] <Seveas> hmm... Offspring!
[06:59] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, stop skipping!
[06:59] <Mez|OnAir> skipping ?
[06:59] <effie_jayx> hehe
[06:59] <Seveas> yeah, it sounded like you ripped out parts of the song :)
[07:00] <Mez|OnAir> meh, probably you buffering
[07:00] <Mez|OnAir> it is a HQ 128kbps stream
[07:00] <Seveas> could be
[07:00] <Seveas> I'm uploading Guano Apes to my kitchenserver
[07:01] <mc44> better than keeping ape guano in your kitchen like me
[07:02] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:03] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, you've been smoking too much hash ;p
[07:03] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, fan mail ;) please
[07:03] <effie_jayx> Mez|OnAir,  you rock
[07:03] <effie_jayx> :D
[07:03] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, eh?
[07:03] <Seveas> /exec echo "FANMAIL" | mail -s "FANMAIL"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:05] <Seveas> where's that playlist of yours?
[07:07] <Seveas> woo \o/ :)
[07:08] <effie_jayx> hehe
[07:08] <Mez|OnAir> I couldnt be arsed to pronounce "karsemarker"
[07:08] <Seveas> kaarsemaker :p
[07:08] <Mez|OnAir> whatever
[07:08] <elkbuntu> you cant even spell it
[07:10] <Seveas> elkbuntu, only if you want to die
[07:11] <elkbuntu> Seveas, you didnt kill me last time, i cant imagine you doing it this time
[07:11] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I now have hobbsee on my side
[07:11] <Seveas> and you should go to bed
[07:11] <mc44> elkbuntu: dont fear Mr carsemarker, He's a pussycat really
[07:11] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:12] <effie_jayx> hey... it's good sunday... don't mess with the ubuntu god
[07:12] <elkbuntu> haha
[07:13] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, nice mix, this one
[07:13] <effie_jayx> ok Linkin Park... now I feel old ...
[07:13] <Seveas> effie_jayx, heh
[07:14] <Seveas> I've been playing LP in the supermarket where I worked
[07:14] <Seveas> coworkers were not amused
[07:14] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  I was too busy working to get hooked on linkin park
[07:14] <Seveas> lol
[07:14] <Seveas> I'm "busy" working too
[07:20] <elkbuntu> ok, i suppose i should go to bed now
[07:20] <elkbuntu> it's almost 3:30 :
[07:25] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, why is it quiet?
[07:25] <Seveas> heh ;)
[07:26] <Mez|OnAir> system failure, reconnect
[07:27] <Seveas> OMFG
[07:27] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, you DID smoke too much hash :)
[07:29] <Seveas> It's only scary with that background information :X
[07:29] <effie_jayx> hehehe
[07:29] <Mez|OnAir> lol
[07:30] <Seveas> LOL!
[07:32] <Seveas> "Getting away with murder" ---- been experimenting with reiser4 again?
[07:35] <Mez|OnAir> hahahahaha!
 It's easter, do it again!
[07:38] <Mez|OnAir> Seveas, thanks for the idea, I'm gonna start rolling :D
[07:38] <Seveas> hehe
[07:38] <Mez|OnAir> though I think the next song's more fun :D
[07:38] <Seveas> can't be worse than the eggs song :p
[07:39] <Seveas> HAH monty python!
[07:39] <Mez|OnAir> it is easter :D
[07:40] <Seveas> this isn't from life of brian :p
[07:40] <Mez|OnAir> meaning of life
[07:41] <Seveas> I know
[07:41] <Seveas> but LoB fits more with easter
[07:41] <Mez|OnAir> yeh but i cant find that CD
[07:41] <Seveas> hehehe
[07:41] <Seveas> awesome
[07:55] <Seveas> Mez|OnAir, come to UDS and I'll bring you a pound of hash :p
[07:56] <apokryphos> what do you mean not available!
[07:56] <Mez|OnAir> when is it ?
[07:56] <Seveas> 6-11 may
[07:56] <Mez|OnAir> where is it ?
[07:56] <Seveas> Sevilla, Spain
[07:56] <Mez|OnAir> wanna pay for me to go, stay, and eat ?
[07:57] <Seveas> hey, I'll bring a pound of hash, I'm not gonna pay for food :p
[07:57] <Mez|OnAir> If you can persuade someone to sponsor me, I'll come
[07:58] <Mez|OnAir> but i'd need the holiday request form in by next week
[08:17] <nalioth> Seveas: is Sevilla also known as Seville?
[08:18] <Seveas> nalioth, Seville is the english bastardization of Sevilla
[08:19] <nalioth> just asking
[08:24] <Seveas> \o/
[08:24] <Seveas> POGOPOGOPOGO!
[08:24] <ompaul> seveas you took bets on this - any idea who was closest? The latest stable release of Debian is 4.0. The last update to this release was made on April 8th, 2007. Read more about available versions of Debian.
[08:24] <Mez|OnAir> Seveas, lol, POGOPOGOPOGOPOGOPOGO indeed :D
[08:26] <Seveas> ompaul, hmm, I'd have to look in the old wiki
[08:26] <ompaul> Seveas, its not important, I was just curious
[08:30] <Seveas> stefg said april 07
[08:30] <Seveas> || Spec ||September 2008 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || Seveas || July 2008 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || eobanb || November 2007 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || gord || September 2007 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || mc44 || August 2007 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || Treenaks || July 2007 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || nickspoon || May 2007 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || stefg || April 2007 ||
[08:30] <Seveas> || Ma1kel || end March 2007 ||
[08:31] <Seveas> || DBO || March 2007 ||
[08:31] <Seveas> || pppoe_dude || February 2007 ||
[08:31] <Seveas> || RadiantFire || January 2007 ||
[08:31] <Seveas> || jrib || January 2007 ||
[08:31] <Seveas> || theCore || December 25th 2006 ||
[08:31] <Seveas> || ompaul || Dec 8th 2006 + or - 4 days ||
[08:31] <ompaul> || stefg || April 2007 ||
[08:31] <mc44> so close, yet so far :(
[08:31] <Seveas> haven't seen stefg in a while though
[08:31] <ompaul> +/- months :)
[08:31] <Seveas> ompaul, :p
[08:32] <ompaul> then it is nickspoon
[08:32] <ompaul> woopps
[08:32] <ompaul> malkel
[08:32] <ompaul> but anyway
[08:44] <Seveas> polka!
[08:45] <mc44> now what?
[08:46] <nalioth> lindy!
[08:46] <Seveas> Now video killed the radio star
[08:47] <Seveas> I wrote a parody on that
[08:47] <ompaul> Seveas, that was a buggles hit and I remember it the first time out
[08:47] <mc44> nalioth: hey, I need a partner :)
[08:47] <nalioth> you din't need one for the polka!
[08:47] <Seveas> http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/2006/03/09/drm/
[08:48] <mc44> Seveas: rhyming wrote with loath? interesting... :p
[08:49] <Seveas> ompaul, you should still remember that tune
[08:49] <ompaul> Seveas, I do
[08:50] <ompaul> oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss we are doomed or something
[08:50] <PriceChild> What happenned to the cgiirc guy claiming he was on a real connection?
[08:50] <Seveas> no idea
[08:51] <PriceChild> :)
[08:51] <ompaul> Seveas, - Do you reject DRM and all its pointless licences?
[08:51] <Seveas> yes
[08:51] <PriceChild> hmm the guy's still there...
[09:48] <LjL> i'm out for a while, watch offtopic, i'm not sure it looks too good
[09:48] <PriceChild> LjL, the one guy's name is ban enough for me...
[09:49] <PriceChild> *bad
[09:50] <mc44> LjL: stirring up trouble and running away again :p
[10:10] <Seveas> baktaah banned from #ubuntu and -offtopic for spamming
[10:20] <GazzaK> but it was such a funny video though :-)
[10:34] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !test This is the result of your math test
[10:35] <Jordan_U> Sorry for that, was just playing with ubotu :)
[12:17] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu


[09:55] <tkamppeter> X experts around here?
[09:55] <seb128> tkamppeter, try #ubuntu-x or talk to mlankhorst
[09:56]  * mlankhorst pretends to be afk
[09:56] <mlankhorst> but yeah #ubuntu-x would be better
[10:17] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[10:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how's guadec?
[10:25] <seb128> good!
[11:57] <mvo> no seb128 today?
[12:45] <Sweetsha1k> mvo: i just dicovered the same.
[14:10] <seb128> Laney, hey, there?
[14:11] <Laney> seb128: Sure, but I'm rushing out in a second
[14:12] <seb128> Laney, hey
[14:12] <Laney> howdy
[14:12] <seb128> Laney, do you think you would have time next week to look at the rhythmbox "mp3 profile quality is poor" next week?
[14:12] <seb128> ups, "next week" duplication ;-)
[14:12] <seb128> Laney, it might be worth trying to get fixed for the lts .1
[14:13] <Laney> seb128: sure, what's the bug?
[14:13] <seb128> not sure how many people do mp3 of CDs nowadays but I guess still quite some
[14:13] <Laney> assign it to me if you want
[14:13] <ogra_> aq:q
[14:13] <seb128> Laney, ok, looking for the number, that's the one we discussed briefly with ronoc a month ago
[14:13] <ogra_> bah !
[14:14] <Laney> yeah I remember it
[14:14] <seb128> Laney, bug #945987
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 945987 in rhythmbox "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945987
[14:14] <seb128> Laney, assigned to you, thanks
[14:14] <seb128> Laney, have a good w.E!
[14:14] <Laney> thanks, and you!
[14:14] <Laney> is it guadec-ful or is there an excursion or?
[14:15] <seb128> no excursion
[14:15] <seb128> GUADEC only ;-)
[14:15] <Laney> hardcore
[14:16] <ogra_> GUADEC isnt a drinking excursion ?
[14:16] <seb128> lol
[14:16]  * ogra_ always thought it was
[14:17] <seb128> that's a secret!
[14:18] <seb128> ogra_, but no, there is not only drinking, we spend time on the beach as well
[14:18] <ogra_> oh, frying your brain with hot sun while drinking then, yeah makes sense i guess that saves some beer costs :)
[14:31] <seb128> mpt, hey, are you there?
[14:33] <seb128> kenvandine, mpt, mterry: hey, do you guys have opinions on rb keywords? (bug #1029964), I would like to add some for 12.04.1 to make rb easier to find in the dash
[14:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1029964 in rhythmbox "should use keywords in its .desktop entry" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029964
[14:33] <seb128> "_Keywords=mp3;Audio;CD;MTP;Podcast;DAAP;Playlist;Ipod;" was a quick list I made, how does it look to you?
[14:34]  * kenvandine thinks
[14:34] <mterry> Song?
[14:34] <kenvandine> Music?
[14:35] <mterry> kenvandine, the title already has that "Rhythmbox Music Player"
[14:35] <kenvandine> good point
[14:35] <seb128> what mterry said
[14:35] <kenvandine> :)
[14:35] <seb128> can add Song
[14:35] <kenvandine> i thought that was too obvious
[14:35] <mterry> not sure anyone would use song
[14:35] <kenvandine> Stream ?
[14:35] <kenvandine> Radio
[14:35] <mterry> i like radio
[14:36] <seb128> cool
[14:36] <mterry> what about "competitors"?  like services like spotify or whatever
[14:36] <mterry> i guess it can't connect to them, so that would be misleading
[14:36] <seb128> right, and not sure if using trademarked names could put us in trouble
[14:37] <seb128> like we couldn't use twitter for broadcasting
[14:37] <mterry> sound?
[14:37] <mterry> no one searches for sound  :)
[14:37] <mterry> aural  :)
[14:37] <mterry> gramaphone
[14:38] <kenvandine> haha
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, seems like a good list as is
[14:39] <mpt> seb128, no, I have no opinions on Rhythmbox keywords :-)
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry, mpt: thanks
[14:40] <kenvandine> mpt, no opinion is an opinion :)
[14:40] <kenvandine> will these keywords be indexed for unity searches too?  i assume so
[14:40] <mpt> I'm trying to have opinions on fewer things, and that just doesn't make the cut
[14:40] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:41] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, that's the point, find stuff in the dash
[14:41] <seb128> kenvandine, it's hard to find the ipod app if you don't know it's rhythmbox for example
[14:42] <mpt> However, that does remind me that we should replace USC's infantile keyword search DB with the proper .desktop entry one
[14:47] <kenvandine> does anyone know of a package that requires gnome-keyring-daemon to be running for tests that i can look at?
[14:47] <kenvandine> mterry, seb128, anyone? ^^
[14:48] <mterry> no?
[14:49] <kenvandine> i am trying to get the signon-keyring-extension tests to run in the package, but it isn't happy about starting the daemon
[14:49] <seb128> kenvandine, no, pitti is a better person to ask I guess
[14:51] <kenvandine> pitti, ^^
[14:51] <kenvandine> mardy plans to mock it so it doesn't need the daemon, but he has other stuff he has to finish first
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, is gwibber "dead" in quantal in favor of webapps ?
[14:53] <kenvandine> sort of
[14:53] <kenvandine> actually no
[14:53] <kenvandine> :)
[14:53] <kenvandine> miss-read
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> i was wondering why i didn't see it on my quantal
[14:54] <kenvandine> webapps doesn't provide background apps yet
[14:54] <kenvandine> it's still there
[14:54] <kenvandine> should be
[14:54] <kenvandine> :)
[14:54] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, do you have the webapps PPA enabled?
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i did on precise, to test at least, not at the moment though
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> i don't see it in it's usual indicator on quantal
[14:55] <kenvandine> there is a port of gwibber that uses online-accounts
[14:55] <kenvandine> which hasn't merged with trunk yet
[14:55] <kenvandine> and is in the webapps ppa
[14:55] <kenvandine> dunno... you should
[15:38] <ogra_> seb128, poke
[15:39] <seb128> ogra_, hey
[15:40] <ogra_> seb128, my mgmt asked me about compiz :) i thought i should ping once again (though i guess its still blocked on the missing GLES drivers)
[15:40] <ogra_> did you hear anything from upstream ?
[15:40] <seb128> ogra_, things are taking time, we still hope they will land before feature freeze
[15:40] <ogra_> hmm, k
[15:41] <ogra_> seb128, thx
[15:41] <seb128> ogra_, gsettings still didn't land and then gles will come after
[15:41] <seb128> ogra_, yw
[15:41] <ogra_> oh
[15:41] <ogra_> i thought they were done with gsettings last week
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, look at bug #1012698 i know it says invalid but there are a whole bunch of these
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> its a private report so the bot won't catch it
[16:22] <kenvandine> ok
[16:23] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, interesting... i've gotten a very similar crash from xchat-gnome
[16:24] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i just got the crash and found all these bug reports with similar titles and all invalidated by the bots immediately
[16:24] <kenvandine> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/modules/liboverlay-scrollbar.so
[16:25] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, yes
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> seb128, kenvandine, i find this quite interesting.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=crashed+with+SIGSEGV+in+cairo_region_is_empty%28%29&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESP
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> ONSE&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> hmm lemme bit.ly that
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> seb128, kenvandine http://bit.ly/MpFz7I
[16:35] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that's a lot of recent bugs
[16:36] <seb128> overlay-scrollbar issue it seems
[16:36] <bcurtiswx> yes
[16:36] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ can you handle it
[16:49]  * seb128 hugs mterry
[16:50] <mterry> seb128, hello!  Why the hug?
[16:50] <seb128> mterry, hey
[16:50] <seb128> mterry, seeing people closing work items on friday!
[16:50] <mterry> Not that I require reasons to hug me  :)
[16:50] <seb128> mterry, we are almost on trend ;-)
[16:50] <mterry> heh
[16:50] <seb128> that might be the one putting us back on
[16:50] <seb128> ;-)
[16:50] <mterry> confetti rains from sky
[16:52] <seb128> ;-)
[16:52] <seb128> mterry, how are things otherwise? ready to be back from +1 to desktop soon :-)
[16:53] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  Nervous about the pile of work to finish when I come back.  :)
[16:53] <seb128> hehe
[16:53] <mterry> Should keep me nice and busy
[16:53] <seb128> indeed
[16:54] <seb128> not to mention ken's pile of mirs
[16:54] <mterry> +1 is relaxing in that sense; less goal oriented
[17:00] <seb128> mterry, let's see, it's my turn next to be there ;-)
[17:01] <seb128> though I will probably use some of the time to help catching up on GNOME updates
[17:01] <mterry> seb128, I've left plenty of FTBFS for ya
[17:01] <seb128> thanks... ;-)
[17:01] <mterry> purposely didn't fix as many as I could have, because I know you like them
[17:02] <seb128> lol
[17:02] <seb128> will have to figure a way to thank you back for that ;-)
[17:02] <seb128> I might just not do some updates in exchange and let them for you!
[17:03] <seb128> ok, end of day at GUADEC
[17:03] <seb128> have a nice w.e for those who are not working tomorrow ;-)
[17:03] <seb128> (not sure I can qualify GUADEC as "working but I will be around)
[17:04] <kenvandine> wow that is a lot of bugs
[17:05] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, can you make sure it gets looked at?
[17:05] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:07] <seb128> thanks
[17:08] <kenvandine> i added overlay-scrollbar to bug 101698, marked as high and assigned to cimi
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 101698 in silva "SNN: on installation a subject and target audience should be created" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101698
[17:08] <kenvandine> i'll also nag cimi about it
[17:08] <kenvandine> bug 1012698
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1012698 in overlay-scrollbar "empathy-chat crashed with SIGSEGV in cairo_region_is_empty()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012698
[17:08] <seb128> yeah, I guess it will be for next week
[17:09] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, do you think you could go through that list and dupe all those bugs that have cairo_region_is_empty and overlay-scrollbars is in the StackTraceTop?
[17:21]  * kenvandine needs food!
[17:34] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, not today, maybe next week?