[00:57] <ex-parrot> still keen to hear from anyone running Bionic on a Pi 3
[00:58] <ex-parrot> I couldn't get HDMI audio working


[11:50] <tenc> Good morning wrst, Unit193, twayneprice.
[11:51] <wrst> morning tenc
[12:03] <Juzzy> werd
[12:27] <wrst> howdy Juzzy, cyberanger
[14:15] <Juzzy> sup
[15:26] <tenc> Hi Juzzy
[16:16] <Juzzy> hey.
[16:20] <Juzzy> I have 2 failing drives on my raid array
[16:20] <Juzzy> I could either try to rebuild on a new drive
[16:20] <Juzzy> or copy the piss out of everyhting to a new healthy array
[16:20] <Juzzy> I'll do option B, then A :p
[16:28] <wrst> ha ha good luck
[19:10] <wrst> afternoon chris4585


[11:50] <dpm> hey translators, how's everyone doing?
[11:59] <kelemengabor> dpm: busy... they keep bombing me with questions and translations to approve :(
[12:05] <kelemengabor> dpm: there is something strange here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+templates
[12:05] <kelemengabor> the kde modules were all uploaded last year
[12:06] <kelemengabor> but kde 4.8 was released and packaged this year... looks like the translations were not uploaded at all.
[12:06] <kelemengabor> do you know anything about this?
[12:13] <jokerdino> hey dpm
[12:13] <jokerdino> guys, how many strings are there in precise that should be translated?
[12:14] <jokerdino> i made a quick math and it comes to about 46660 strings, but i am pretty sure it is far more than that.
[12:16] <artnay> kelemengabor: yeah, many KDE packages/templates seem to be missing from LP (versus kde l10n svn)
[12:26] <artnay> kelemengabor: did you file a bug?
[12:26] <kelemengabor> not yet
[12:27] <kelemengabor> I'm busy with the GJ :\
[12:27] <kelemengabor> could you help me out with that?
[12:31] <dpm> jokerdino, it depends on the languages
[12:31] <dpm> jokerdino, for which language?
[12:31] <jokerdino> Tamil.
[12:32] <jokerdino> Not the number of strings that are remaining, but the total number of strings
[12:34] <artnay> kelemengabor: sure
[12:34] <kelemengabor> artnay: thanks!
[12:35] <m4n1sh> kelemengabor: hey. Thanks for the patch
[12:35] <kelemengabor> you are welcome :)
[12:35] <m4n1sh> I have sent a mail to the list
[12:35] <m4n1sh> if anyone can approve it
[12:35] <m4n1sh> need to put it in UIFE
[12:35] <m4n1sh> as per the requirement
[12:36] <m4n1sh> kelemengabor: you have access to the list?
[12:37] <kelemengabor> I don't think so. but dpm probably has
[12:39] <dpm> m4n1sh, lte me approve it now
[12:39] <m4n1sh> dpm: thanks. I know you lead this team, but you know who leads -doc?
[12:39] <artnay> kelemengabor: bug 945560
[12:40] <artnay> umh, okay... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/945560
[12:40] <TLE> hey dpm. Everything go ok yesterday, getting the new stats page back up
[12:41] <kelemengabor> artnay: thanks. now I have to figure out whom to assign it :)
[12:41] <jokerdino> launchpad bug 945560
[12:41] <jokerdino> amithkk: your bot is MIA?
[12:42] <amithkk> He's not here
[12:42] <jokerdino> there he is
[12:43] <amithkk> Ha!
[12:43] <amithkk> He hasnt had a crash since till now
[12:43] <jokerdino> that sucks
[12:43] <amithkk> It didnt crash yet
[12:43] <amithkk> Still on record
[12:43] <amithkk> @list admin
[12:43] <twobottux`> amithkk: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
[12:44] <amithkk> @list
[12:44] <twobottux`> amithkk: Admin, Alias, BadWords, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, IRCLogin, Misc, Owner, and User
[12:44] <m4n1sh> dpm: thanks
[12:44] <amithkk> @list Owner
[12:44] <twobottux`> amithkk: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
[12:44] <jokerdino> amithkk: don't spam..
[12:44] <amithkk> k
[12:45] <jokerdino> i see both amithkk and m4n1sh here.
[12:45] <jokerdino> now is the best time to discuss Indian English locale
[12:45] <m4n1sh> go ahead
[12:45] <jokerdino> so, is it logical to have one?
[12:45] <m4n1sh> there is one\
[12:45] <jokerdino> i personally feel it is different enough to have one.
[12:45] <m4n1sh> en_IN
[12:46] <jokerdino> oh?
[12:46] <amithkk> Its not very different though
[12:46] <amithkk> And we have one as m4n1sh says
[12:46] <m4n1sh> not much
[12:46] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: but you can use the indianized english if you want
[12:46] <TLE> dpm: ah gotta go again, I'm on family visit during the weekend, so if you need me for anything for the jam, contact me on email
[12:47] <jokerdino> ah, let me find it
[12:47] <m4n1sh> amithkk: do yo know any reference guide to en_IN ?
[12:47] <amithkk> nope
[12:48] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: remember if you are going with en_IN, it is more similar to en_GB than en_US
[12:48] <m4n1sh> en_GB or en_UK whatever you call, not much of a i18n geek
[12:48] <jokerdino> UK it is
[12:48] <m4n1sh> I didn't even know how to i18nize xml files until Kelemen submitted the patch
[12:49] <kelemengabor> no, GB: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/en_GB
[12:49] <jokerdino> ah, thanks
[12:50] <jokerdino> i am going to proceed and set up a team for en_IN
[12:50] <m4n1sh> dammit. en_IN is fully untranslated
[12:50] <m4n1sh> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/en_IN
[12:50] <jokerdino> i saw that :/
[12:50] <jokerdino> we need a team to do anything
[12:50] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: which all langs you know?
[12:51] <jokerdino> i know Tamil. and well yeah
[12:51] <amithkk> Ill contact em
[12:51]  * jokerdino is living in Singapore.
[12:51] <m4n1sh> like indian words are more similar to UK
[12:51] <jokerdino> what about you m4n1sh ? any lang?
[12:51] <m4n1sh> english and hindi
[12:52] <jokerdino> no kannada? :/
[12:52] <m4n1sh> nope
[12:52] <m4n1sh> in India it is Colour and not color
[12:52] <m4n1sh> you can use preponed as an opposite of postpone in India
[12:52] <jokerdino> we should first have a en_IN guide.
[12:52] <amithkk> Whats the ISO 639 language code for en-IN?
[12:52] <m4n1sh> it isnt found in any other dictionary
[12:53] <dpm> TLE, yeah, it worked :) I'm about to take another timestamp, but I'm quite busy talking to people and can't find a minute to do it properly
[12:53] <jokerdino> dpm: TLE left
[12:53] <amithkk> later
[12:53] <amithkk> cya :D
[12:53] <amithkk> stay here 2bottu :D
[12:53] <jokerdino> LOL
[12:53] <jokerdino> m4n1sh: i am serious about en_IN.
[12:54] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: I know
[12:54] <m4n1sh> you need to get in contact with indian translation team
[12:54] <jokerdino> should i email them?
[12:55] <m4n1sh> ask them
[12:55] <jokerdino> wait, there is a Indian translation team?
[12:55] <m4n1sh> there should be
[12:55] <m4n1sh> there is if i last remember
[12:55] <jokerdino> there is for different languages, but none for Indian English
[12:55] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: this should help a bit http://lh.2xlibre.net/locale/en_IN/
[12:56] <jokerdino> cook thanks.
[12:56] <jokerdino> *cool
[12:56] <jokerdino> there is no Indian English translation team
[12:56] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: look at this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English#Vocabulary_and_colloquialisms
[12:56] <jokerdino> we should be pinging dpm already.
[12:57] <m4n1sh> there isnt Indian "English" translation team
[12:57] <amithkk> yep
[12:57] <m4n1sh> but Indian translation team
[12:57] <amithkk> Im ready to translate
[12:57] <m4n1sh> I dont think words like "bunk a class" and "prepone" or "under scanner" or "clean-chit" are used anywhere else in the world
[12:57] <amithkk> Holidays ahead
[12:58] <m4n1sh> amithkk: esp use words like lakhs, crores too
[12:58] <m4n1sh> very common in India
[12:58] <jokerdino> oh yeah.
[12:58] <dpm> jokerdino, you can calculate the total from http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/precise/ta
[12:58] <dpm> just do the maths from the percentage translated and the untranslated count
[12:58] <dpm> anyway, going for lunch now...
[12:59]  * dpm lunches
[12:59] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: amithkk "Allopathy", "Jaundice" and "curd" is more of Indian English
[12:59] <jokerdino> i can't find the Indian language team
[12:59]  * jokerdino loathes
[12:59] <m4n1sh> never heard about "non-veg" being used to refer to meat in other parts of the world
[12:59] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: "SMS" means mobile text message
[13:00] <m4n1sh> lots of scope for en_IN
[13:00] <jokerdino> open a gdoc and put these there?
[13:00] <m4n1sh> nope
[13:00] <m4n1sh> ubuntu wiki
[13:00] <jokerdino> for the time being. heh
[13:01] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: indian english is called hinglish
[13:01] <m4n1sh> as it is a lot lot lot influenced by hindi
[13:01] <jokerdino> true that
[13:02] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: keep bookmarking http://www.theindiansabroad.com/2011/04/hinglish-indian-english-idioms-or-and-phrases-ii/
[13:03] <jokerdino> amithkk: you found the ISO code for en_IN?
[13:04] <amithkk> cya
[13:04] <m4n1sh> is that necessary for going ahead?
[13:04] <jokerdino> i guess so.
[13:04] <jokerdino> there are procedures for starting a new team
[13:05] <jokerdino> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam
[13:09] <jokerdino> m4n1sh: i think the ISO code is same as English.
[13:09] <m4n1sh> yes
[13:10] <m4n1sh> but it should also add something after en_GB.utf-8 or something like that
[13:10] <jokerdino> heh the australians don't have those
[13:10] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: so two locales can have same ISO code?
[13:11] <jokerdino> where is dpm when we need him most :S
[13:12] <jokerdino> my google fu is failing
[13:15] <jokerdino> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
[13:15] <jokerdino> there is only one English
[13:16] <jokerdino> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-l10n-eng sholud be useful
[13:16] <m4n1sh> yeah
[13:17] <jokerdino> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb for en_GB.
[13:17] <jokerdino> so ours should be en_IN
[13:19] <jokerdino> shall i proceed to start a team then?
[13:22] <jokerdino> my hands are itching
[13:30] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: lol
[13:30] <m4n1sh> consult a few people first
[13:31] <jokerdino> yeah haha, haven't started yet
[15:05] <dpm> jokerdino, lunching, what's up?
[15:05] <jokerdino> you still lunching huh?
[15:05] <jokerdino> we were discussing the idea of starting Indian English locale team.
[15:05] <jokerdino> viable and acceptable?
[15:07] <jokerdino> and i have done the math for the translation strings. total strings = 47k++
[16:26] <dpm> jokerdino, weren't you thinking of helping in another team first? I think contributing to Tamil might be more useful, as it seems they might need a push to reinvigorate the team.
[16:27] <dpm> You can of course start the en_IN team, but I think you can create more of an impact and help more users by contributing to the Tamil one
[17:02] <m4n1sh> jokerdino: AFAIK Tamil team is pretty active


[21:49] <cadmium__> Ive got some problems removing old kernels is there any kind soul here who could help me? <3
[21:50] <Bashing-om> cadmium__: What is the problem ? You are using the package manager, no ?
[21:51] <cadmium__> Bashing-om if i do it just freezes :(
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> cadmium__: what is the output of: uname -a; cat /etc/issue; dpkg -l | grep linux-image | grep -v extra | awk {'print $2'}
[21:51] <martyj-o> How is this possible? I installed a completely new VM from scratch (exact same Ubuntu version) and copied in the files again, just like before. This time, the ls -l does not have asterisks after the files, and I am able to run it (but it has a different error, but that's at least not the same kind of bizarre error).
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> cadmium__: use a pastebin like http://pastie.org to hold the text
[21:51] <martyj-o> And BTW... asterisk, according to some obscure GNU manual, means "executable file".
[21:52] <eraggo> EriC^^: fixed it with fast googleing: created udev rule for this type of hard drive only for plugdev group (which i am part of)
[21:52] <martyj-o> So it makes absolutely no sense that this isn't shown now, but was before.
[21:52] <martyj-o> I really am at a loss for words about this.
[21:52] <EriC^^> eraggo: great!
[21:52] <bekks> martyj-o: "asterick" means "your shell is currently configured to mark eexecutables with it, but it doesnt mean anything".
[21:52] <martyj-o> bekks: Does it have some kind of keyboard shortcut that I may have accidentally pressed?
[21:52] <cadmium__> Actionparsnip http://pastie.org/9721856
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> martyj-o: what files did you copy in?
[21:52] <bekks> martyj-o: For permissions, look at the permissions, not at astericks.
[21:52] <martyj-o> ActionParsnip: The same ones as before (my own program).
[21:53] <flexus> eraggo: good one
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> cadmium__: Saucy is no longer supported in any way. I suggest you upgrade to Trusty either online or via a clean install
[21:54] <eraggo> flexus EriC^^ thanks for your time. hopefully i do not need to do that rule for each vendor and their product
[21:54] <baby> hello every one
[21:54] <flexus> eraggo: dont do it on arch
[21:54] <eraggo> flexus: i keep that in mind
[21:55] <flexus> eraggo: lifting black hat
[21:55] <eraggo> oh god lol
[21:55] <apofis> hi baby, hi guys
[21:55] <martyj-o> This is very interesting: the 32-bit executable is just entirely ignored by the Ubuntu GUI, and says "file not found" when I attempt to run it in the terminal. The 64-bit executable is also ignored in the GUI when I double click it, but is run (gives a different, unrelated error) when I run it in the terminal. WTF?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> cadmium__: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-image-3.11.0-18-generic linux-image-3.11.0-17-generic linux-image-3.11.0-12-generic
[21:55] <bekks> martyj-o: 32bit binary not in path.
[21:55] <flexus> eraggo:  ;)
[21:56] <bekks> martyj-o: How about starting a sane approach to get your application(s) up and running?
[21:56] <eraggo> flexus: just saying SELECTING those vendor/products. just clarifying
[21:56] <cassio3> rebuild the package dependency tree
[21:56] <cassio3> using dpkg
[21:56] <cassio3> it will download all the updates automatically
[21:57] <martyj-o> bekks: What sane approach would that be?
[21:57] <martyj-o> #node-webkit is a ghost town.
[21:57] <martyj-o> I've been trying to get help for this another things for weeks.
[21:57] <martyj-o> Read their Engrish manual 100 times.
[21:57] <bekks> martyj-o: Stop looking at astericks and configure your path to your needs? :)
[21:58] <martyj-o> bekks: I cannot change the PATH of users' computers.
[21:58] <martyj-o> It needs to run immediately without extra config.
[21:58] <martyj-o> As a single executable.
[21:58] <bekks> martyj-o: Why cant you change the users path?
[21:59] <martyj-o> Because of obvious reasons? Changes to their computer is unacceptable.
[21:59] <cassio3> martyj-o
[22:00] <cassio3> you are the sysadmin
[22:00] <bekks> Thats not obvious at all. A user wants to run a specific binary from a non-standard location, so change the path.
[22:00] <cassio3> this is absolutely your responsibility
[22:01] <cassio3> or just use a symlink
[22:01] <bekks> 3rd party software like yours should reside in /opt, so fix the path to include your /opt/mysoftware/bin folder as well.
[22:01] <cassio3> right
[22:01] <teaearlgraycold_> ActionParsnip, no OS detected by Linux still
[22:01] <dominic1134> Hi guys, I'm wondering what anti-spam appliances / gateways you're deploying in a typical business environment? Which features do you use and would you like to have in a typical product like this? We're currently developing a open-source e-mail security appliance and would be happy for your suggestions. See www.openas.org and https://launchpad.net/open-as-cgw
[22:02] <martyj-o> The user downloads MyCoolApp.tar.bz2 onto their desktop. They extract it as a dir called MyCoolApp on their desktop. Then they run the Test binary inside of that dir by double-clicking it.
[22:02] <bekks> martyj-o: Thats not how software is deployed on linux.
[22:02] <bekks> martyj-o: Thats a typical windows way.
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> teaearlgraycold_: did you resize the NTFS in Windows?
[22:03] <teaearlgraycold_> Yes
[22:03] <teaearlgraycold_> I googled the issue and it seems like it's normal for Win8 to go undetected
[22:04] <bubbasaures> dominic1134, This is straight ubuntu support is all, check channel topics.
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> teaearlgraycold_: try changing the disk to basic (in windows)
[22:04] <teaearlgraycold_> That won't cause any issues?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> teaearlgraycold_: not sure if Win8 can do this as I've not used it
[22:04] <teaearlgraycold_> ...
[22:05] <dominic1134> bubbasaures, sorry
[22:07] <teaearlgraycold_> Can I point / and /home on the same drive easily? This guide I'm looking at wants two partitions
[22:07] <teaearlgraycold_> One for each
[22:07] <teaearlgraycold_> I mean, put / and /home on the same partition*
[22:07] <martyj-o> bekks: Huh? What do you mean it's not how it's deployed on Linux?
[22:07] <martyj-o> bekks: Bear in mind that this isn't an open source application, so it cannot be in some repository.
[22:08] <bekks> martyj-o: Linux software is not deployed by downloading packages, extract them and randomly clicking on something. Software on linux is normally installed by a package manager.
[22:08] <bekks> martyj-o: And WHY exactly cant you create a private repository?
[22:09] <suil> hey guys, just installed ububtu. Created a publich key, appended to authorized keys, when I ssh in, still doesn't require my public key. Any ideas? RSA and pubkey are turned on in the ssh conf
[22:10] <bekks> martyj-o: To answer that for you: the is no reason. If you want to deploy packages, create a repo. It doesnt matter wether you are deploying closed or free software. It is your responsibility as sysdadm to grant access to the people allowed to access it.
[22:10] <apofis> suil: check /var/log/syslog || /var/log/secure - probably an issue with permissions on .ssh/xxx
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> teaearlgraycold_: the default is 2 partitions.  One for / and one for swap
[22:13] <chindy> hi
[22:13] <apofis> hi
[22:13] <chindy> got some question about installing programs in ubuntu
[22:13] <teaearlgraycold_> ActionParsnip, so this is cool? http://pastebin.com/8RpZXakP
[22:14] <apofis> chindy: go ahead
[22:14] <teaearlgraycold_> Both are set to logical partitions
[22:14] <rypervenche> suil: your ~/.ssh needs to be 700 and your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file needs to be 600. That could be the problem.
[22:14] <tree_> kkj
[22:14] <chindy> so when i mv the program to /opt and create a program.desktop etc.... how do i make it so that i can execute the program from the terminal without beeing in the right folder
[22:15] <Tobias|2> chindy: chmod +x /full/path
[22:16] <chindy> Tobias[L] what path is supposed to be /full/path
[22:17] <Tobias[L]> chindy: from the base directory of your pc to the file, if you are unsure start your Folder Manager, go where the file is and right click it, there it will be listed
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> teaearlgraycold_: if you have 2Gb RAM, yes
[22:18] <teaearlgraycold_> I have 8GB
[22:18] <bekks> chindy: Make the file executable and add /opt/yoursoftware/... to your PATH variable.
[22:19] <suil> rypver: any other ideas? i've chmodded, still no dice
[22:20] <chindy> yea but that does not make it executable in a way that i mean...does it? i mean that i can to into the terminal and type eclipse and it starts eclipse not that i have to type ./eclipse etc... simply put just like i would install sth with apt
 hello again...I am trying to add new shortcuts with alacarte the gui is not working so i tried editing the code directly: http://www.pasteall.org/55179/xml but though it worked partly... some of the shortcuts wont appear..I am asking you for the part of the code I didnt edit which is towards the end... I was wondering why the second layout does not have includes?
 because all those shortcuts are listed perfectly despite not having the include tabs
 hint: the first layout and all their include tabs are custom made
 I also checked the .desktop files one by one and they look the same! those working like which are not
[22:21] <julio> hi
[22:22] <apofis> chindy: iapart from chmod +x you can 1. always provide full path to executable ; 2. add /opt/application/whatever to your path 3. make an alias like "alias runme='/opt/application/whatever'"4. other option I use quite often is to link proper executable to ~/bin/ directory
[22:22] <bekks> chindy: I explained the way to run "eclipse" without "./"
[22:26] <teaearlgraycold> So is my main partition logical or primary? Because I'm reading conflicting info
[22:27] <rypervenche> suil: We need to see what it happening. Use the -v option when you try to ssh to the server and pastebin us the output. Also, did you manually add the publicy key to the authorized_keys file or did you use ssh-copy-id?
[22:41] <beltorak> hi all; what's the recommeded way to go about setting my personal iptables ruleset as the default, on-start firewall setup? it's not really feasible to use any of the simplified firewall setups.
[22:42] <j4s0n> beltorak: use rc.local until you figure it oout
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> beltorak: I use
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> beltorak: use rc.local to import a config file, or you can use cron @reboot
[22:44] <deepblue> hi
[22:44] <beltorak> j4s0n: hence my question; is /etc/init a viable option? on a related note, when will systemd replace upstart? when should I start migrating my services?
[22:44] <sonia> hola
[22:47] <suil> hey guys, just installed ububtu. Created a publich key, appended to authorized keys, when I ssh in, still doesn't require my public key. Any ideas? RSA and pubkey are turned on in the ssh conf .. checked the perms.. stlil nothing
[22:48] <beltorak> sui: did you enable it in ssh*d*''s config and restart the sshd service? (I'm not sure if there's a way to get it to reload the config file)
[22:49] <j4s0n> How does one upgrade from quantal to LTS.
[22:49] <j4s0n> beltorak: rc.local is what to use until you figure it out
[22:49] <j4s0n> What command pulls the key for the encrypted home directory I am just going to do a fresh install.
[22:49] <j4s0n> I will need to copy files from my home directory while using a liveCD.
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> suil: when you connect using: ssh -vvvvv user@server
[22:50] <k1l> j4s0n: do all upgrades from 12.10 to 13.04 then to 13.10 and then to 14.04
[22:50] <beltorak> j4s0n: what i am trying to do right now is figure it out
[22:50] <j4s0n> k1l: Would you rather I do not do a fresh install?
[22:50] <j4s0n> beltorak: get the source.
[22:51] <k1l> j4s0n: its your choice. with that many upgrades a reinstall and copy back the backuped files seems much faster
[22:51] <suil> beltorka: ye i restarted teh service
[22:51] <kostkon> !eolupgrades
[22:51] <k1l> j4s0n: if you were on 12.04 you could use the LTS upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[22:52] <j4s0n> k1l: ok if you don't know the firstboot command that copies the home dir key , I have it written down somwhere.
[22:54] <jjavaholic> What is going wrong here? : GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[22:54] <kostkon> jjavaholic, is it something that is causing problems?
[22:54] <kostkon> jjavaholic, otherwise, you can just ignore it
[22:54] <jjavaholic> I suspect it is causing high CPU usage
[22:55] <mrcnja> hey, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a macbook pro and I'm running into some issues
[22:55] <jjavaholic> this is a guess cause I don't really know what is going on and what the error means
[22:56] <kostkon> jjavaholic, doubt it
[22:56] <mrcnja> I have refind working as the main bootloader
[22:56] <jjavaholic> would you like to explain why you doubt it?
[22:56] <mrcnja> grub is on the ubuntu partition
[22:56] <mrcnja> when I boot into ubuntu I just get a purple screen and nothing else
[22:57] <bubbasaures> mrcnja, Try to consolidate your info and post all at once, and wait for help.
[22:59] <chindy> where should i install java? /opt/ ?
[23:00] <hikenboot> what is the ubuntu live cd password trying to ssh into another instance of the live cd
[23:00] <hikenboot> 14.04
[23:00] <hikenboot> wont let me set it either
[23:06] <beltorak> chindy: what i do (which is probably not recommended) is unpack it to /opt/lib/java/jvm{32,64}/vm, with a few symlinks so java is available at /opt/lib/java/jvm/jdk; some /etc/profile.d magic to set JAVA_HOME=/opt/lib/java/jvm/jdk and put $JAVA_HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/jre/bin first on my path...
[23:07] <beltorak> chindy: I also use a custom "package" that tells dpkg that java is already installed
[23:07] <chindy> kk
[23:07] <beltorak> but if you can get away with it, why not use the standard packages?
[23:07] <chindy> beltorak kk ... well i think it should be sufficient to just install it to /opt/jvm
[23:08] <riccardo_> ciao
[23:09] <jason___> k1l: Will you assist?
[23:09] <riccardo_> io assist
[23:10] <jason___> riccardo_: send a privmsg to this nick
[23:10] <jason___> wait
[23:10] <j4s0n> riccardo_: ok, go
[23:11] <mrcnja> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a macbook pro and I'm running into some issues, here's what I know so far: http://privatepaste.com/6d56355200
[23:11] <riccardo_> those who have problems tells me settle your problems ubuntu
[23:12] <k1l> j4s0n: assist on what?
[23:12] <riccardo_> and assist
[23:13] <k1l> chindy: why dont you use the java form the ubuntu repos?
[23:13] <riccardo_> kil java comand terminal sudo install java
[23:14] <bubbasaures> !nomodeset | mrcnja easy test from the grub menu for graphic
[23:15] <rypervenche> hikenboot: ubuntu
[23:15] <beltorak> another question; i installed samba and lxc, when i do nmblookup -MRS -- -, it gives me the samba server using the lxc "router" address, and only my machine in the workgroup... what's going on?
[23:16] <riccardo_> j4s0n
[23:16] <j4s0n> ok ready
[23:16] <j4s0n> riccardo_: yes
[23:16] <j4s0n> the neighbors like to spy
[23:16] <riccardo_> j4s0n
[23:16] <riccardo_> I can solve a problem
[23:17] <j4s0n> ok the problem is to verify the hashsums
[23:18] <j4s0n> given that the neighbors keep doing MITM attacks and hopping onto my torrents I want to verify the hashsum with a stranger.
[23:18] <j4s0n> to be sure I am getting the public iso
[23:18] <riccardo_> noo
[23:18] <j4s0n> riccardo_: noo?
[23:18] <mguy> How do I reinstall the bootloader on my system? I installed Windows 7 on drive 0 and now there is no boot loader for 14.04 on drive 1
[23:18] <k1l> j4s0n: what? the md5sums are public
[23:18] <riccardo_> windows 7 no da problemi
[23:18] <k1l> !md5sum
[23:19] <j4s0n> k1l: no shit!
[23:19] <j4s0n> so if the attacker does MITM they just change the public MD5
[23:19] <axel_sieb> mguy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[23:19] <k1l> j4s0n: can you drop that nonsense please?
[23:19] <bubbasaures> mguy, Chroot from a live and put it in.
[23:19] <j4s0n> k1l: as soon as you assist
[23:20] <SpaghettiCat> j4s0n:  how do you change the public MD5?
[23:20] <hikenboot> rypervenche, the password does not appear to be "ubuntu" without the quotes
[23:20] <bubbasaures> mguy, This a msdos with mbr's used?
[23:20] <mguy> axel_sieb: tks
[23:20] <mguy> bubbasaures: not sure, ,i think so
[23:20] <rypervenche> hikenboot: Are you using "sudo -i" ?
[23:20] <j4s0n> SpaghettiCat: the attacker would just intercept the transmission at a low level and insert desired MD% on the html page received
[23:20] <rypervenche> hikenboot: Are you talking about the root password? If so, you'll need to set one manually. The ubuntu user's password is "ubuntu" by default though.
[23:21] <cariveri> Hi. How to vpn with someone over the internet ?
[23:21] <bubbasaures> mguy, Can you boot to a live ubuntu, we would fix this there?
[23:21] <rypervenche> hikenboot: I take that back. I think you have passwordless sudo access. You need to set a password manually.
[23:21] <mguy> bubbasaures: I am in one now
[23:21] <bubbasaures> mguy, Cool, pastebin sudo parted -l
[23:22] <SpaghettiCat> j4s0n:  get a torrent. It includes a checksum of the ISO, and good luck to the MITM attacker trying to conceal himself as all those bittorrent peers
[23:22] <hikenboot> ok
[23:22] <mguy> bubbasaures: hold on let me get on irc from the ubuntu computer and not my mac
[23:22] <bubbasaures> mguy, Yeah, that will be best.
[23:22] <mguy> what pastebin site do you want me to use
[23:23] <mrcnja> bubbasaures➤ nomodeset doesn't fix the issue
[23:23] <bubbasaures> !pastebin | mguy here's the bots
[23:23] <swabydeck> mrcnja: do u have EFI
[23:23] <mguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9033374/
[23:24] <bubbasaures> mrcnja, Ah, just wondered if the hang was just a graphic glitch, not sure beyond that.
[23:24] <mrcnja> I believe so, swabydeck
[23:25] <mguy> bubbasaures: maybe just set boot flag on part 1 since that was /boot ?
[23:25] <swabydeck> mrcnja: You can't boot install
[23:25] <dsnyders> Hi all!  Why didn't the command for i in {1..9}; do mv *S0$iE* Season0$i; done ; do what I thought it was going to do?
[23:25] <bubbasaures> mguy, Run the chroot than run grub-install /dev/sdb than update-grub  http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/07/creating-chroot-ubuntu.html?m=1
[23:25] <reisio> dsnyders: what'd you think it was going to do
[23:26] <skinux> Just to make sure...if I symlink "Documents" directory on Windows parition to /home/<user>/Documents, will the contents located on Windows partition count toward the usage of Linux partition?
[23:26] <beltorak> dsnyders: you need to separate the variable from the other text chars; use ${i}
[23:26] <dsnyders> reisio: put *S01E* into Season01, *S02E* into Season02, etc.
[23:26] <bubbasaures> mguy, boot flag is not really used often in linux.
[23:26] <martyj-o> What exactly does it mean by this?
[23:26] <martyj-o> "error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[23:26] <CyL> Hi, in Xubuntu 14.04 I have python-tk installed, but trying to import tkinter from the interactive interpreter, yelds me an error saying python could'nt find any module named tkinter
[23:27] <reisio> dsnyders: what'd it do instead
[23:27] <dsnyders> reisio: It put everything into Season01
[23:28] <mguy> bubbasaures:  that for loop line isn't running right
[23:28] <mguy> mount: mount point /mnt/temp/dev does not exist
[23:28] <dsnyders> beltorak: do I have to do that on both parameters of the mv command?
[23:29] <bubbasaures> mguy, what was your exact command that failed?
[23:29] <beltorak> dsnyders: anytime it would be ambiguous; bash can't tell the difference between <variable i><E> and <variable iE>...
[23:29] <mguy> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt/temp$i; done
[23:29]  * reisio uses quotations around variables
[23:30] <bubbasaures> mguy, what did you run here? sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt/temp
[23:32] <mguy> bubbasaures: sdb1 which should have been sdb6 hence not finding those dirs
[23:32] <beltorak> dsnyders: sorry i was distracted; was that explanation clear?
[23:33] <bubbasaures> mguy, Heh, easy mistake, it wants root /
[23:33] <mguy> bubbasaures: yea I figured that out once I read the instructions again :(
[23:33] <mguy> alright let's reboot
[23:34] <bubbasaures> mguy, I just have a copy of supergrub to boot in and run the commands, I rarely chroot on this.
[23:35] <dsnyders> beltorak: Yes, the explanation was clear.  Would it be a prudent policy to always put {} around variables?
[23:35] <rypervenche> dsnyders: It is good practice when you're keeping them next to other characters.
[23:39] <NewRoad> Help! I have a Mac Book Pro 11,3 that I was trying to remove the Ubuntu partition from.. I deleted the partition in Disk Utility, but now I am booting to GRUB. I want to temporarily go back to the standard mac setup
[23:39] <dsnyders> rypervenche, beltorak, reisio:  The {} worked like a charm.  You saved me untold seconds of work of uparrowing and editting command lines that doing each season separately would require.
[23:39] <rypervenche> dsnyders: Cheers :)
[23:39] <beltorak> dsnyders: you're welcome :)
[23:41] <zteam> Hi again all!
[23:41] <swabydeck> NewRoad: You need to boot into osx then figure how to mount the EFI partition with admin rights so you can delete the Ubuntu folder.
[23:42] <NewRoad> swabydeck.. I can't get past the GRUB prompt when I power on the laptop
[23:43] <swabydeck> NewRoad: you can't select osx from grub?
[23:43] <bubbasaures> NewRoad, must be a standard boot reload for apples, not sure many if any will know here, your just stuck with grub from your activities.
[23:43] <NewRoad> no its a GRUB command prompt
[23:43] <NewRoad> swabydeck
[23:44] <zteam> I have some odd issue with the caps lock ied light on my keyboard with Ubuntu , caps lock itself is working as expected but the led light doesn't turn on or off correctly  this works great if I select the guest account but not for my own account
[23:44] <NewRoad> bubbasaures, you mean Apple would have to fix it?
[23:45] <zteam> I already tried deleting .cache .config .local but still no luck :-/
[23:45] <swabydeck> NewRoad: I think there may be keyboard shortcut while booting to select partition to boot from
[23:45] <zteam> any suggestions but creating a new user account?
[23:46] <swabydeck> NewRoad: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201255
[23:46] <k1l> NewRoad: you need to install the old apple bootloader again
[23:46] <bubbasaures> NewRoad, Heh no, just someone who knows this stuff is all, there are #mac and #MacOSX channels among others
[23:46] <k1l> NewRoad: since you removed the ubuntu partitions grub doesnt know what to do now
[23:46] <bubbasaures> NewRoad, This was before anyone chimed in though, so...
[23:47] <swabydeck> NewRoad: try the keyboard shortcuts first.
[23:47] <NewRoad> I was just able to boot to Disk Utility
[23:48] <adino> LU
[23:49] <swabydeck> NewRoad: I am not familiar with Mac but maybe utility can offer boot repair.
[23:50] <NewRoad> yah, trying that
[23:51] <swabydeck> NewRoad: what happens if you hold option key during boot.
[23:51] <NewRoad> thats what got me to the disk utility
[23:51] <NewRoad> I am trying the repair partition option now
[23:52] <swabydeck> NewRoad: hope all the best. Its a pain on Windows to rid ubuntu completely to.
[23:55] <NewRoad> it worked!! thanks guys :D
[23:59] <swabydeck> NewRoad: cool


[05:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: translations started!
[05:39] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: great, I haven't been able to track down any editors yet but I went through them earlier today so they should be "good enough"
[05:40] <JoseeAntonioR> no problem :)
[05:40] <pleia2> hoping I can find someone tomorrow to review it before launch
[05:40] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll be here almost all day, as it's a holiday for me
[05:40] <pleia2> nice :)
[05:42] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: do you think summary writers can be contacted earlier for the next issue, so I can translate it during my flight?
[05:43] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I doubt it :( the trouble is we collect news through Sunday night UTC, so even when I contact them Saturday afternoon UTC there are still articles I may add the next day
[05:44] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, no problem then
[05:44] <pleia2> if I contact them earlier the newsletter is a bit of a mess, even more days of articles we haven't added yet and I usually need to delete some before I send it off (it's not great when somebody writes a summary that I have to delete because we're not keeping the article)
[05:45] <pleia2> this week I sent it on friday because it was such a large issue, it was pretty crazy
[05:45] <pleia2> even sending it friday wouldn't have had it ready for you in time for your flight
[05:46] <pleia2> anyway, I need to do some reading, have a good night :)
[05:46] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, thank you! :)
[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[06:27] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi, dholbach!
[06:28] <dholbach> hi JoseeAntonioR
[06:28] <JoseeAntonioR> how's it going?
[06:29] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[06:29] <dholbach> did you have a good weekend?
[06:29] <philipballew> good day dholbach !!!
[06:30] <philipballew> and JoseeAntonioR
[06:30] <JoseeAntonioR> yep, 1:30am for me, and I don't have to go to school tomorrow :)
[06:30] <JoseeAntonioR> philipballew: Hi again!
[06:30] <JoseeAntonioR> you both are getting ready for UDS?
[06:31] <philipballew> Ill get to that after I finish finals. Who wants to take over my iptables to block my time waster sites?
[06:32] <dholbach> hey philipballew
[06:32] <JoseeAntonioR> philipballew: I don't think I can make it from an iPod Touch
[06:36]  * philipballew tackles dholbach
[06:37] <dholbach> :-)
[06:45] <JoseeAntonioR> time to go to bed over here, see you guys!
[06:45] <philipballew> have a good one JoseeAntonioR
[08:13] <Silverlion> morning philipballew
[08:14] <philipballew> hello Silverlion
[09:35] <Silverlion> moin dholbach
[10:30] <Silverlion> MrBadWiki: your first name is Chris, am i wrong?
[10:31] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[10:32]  * MrChrisDruif don't know why I didn't fallback on BrokenThumb <_<"
[15:26] <JoseeAntonioR> Note: I've seen Quantal QuetzEl instead of Quantal Quetzal many times in the newsletter.
[15:28] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, that's maybe because it sounds so much like Pretzel :-P
[15:29] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[15:55] <akgraner> pleia2, do summaries still need to be written  - sorry - crazy weekend
[15:56] <akgraner> what still needs to be done and I'll jump on that right quick
[15:56] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: reviewing, Lyz took a quick look yesterday
[15:58] <pleia2> akgraner: I editorial review
[15:58] <akgraner> ok  - I'll review now as well - I totally cram to many things into a weekend it seems
[15:58] <pleia2> no one has done any et
[15:58] <pleia2> yet
[15:58] <akgraner> ok I'll do that now
[15:58] <pleia2> thanks :)
[15:58] <pleia2> it's all in the wiki
[15:58] <akgraner> on it
[15:59] <pleia2> thanks, looks like mrudge was able to pop in and review a few hours ago too \o/
[15:59] <akgraner> yay!
[16:08] <JoseeAntonioR> No +/- stats in translations this week?
[16:08] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, I just got it :
[16:08] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[16:09] <pleia2> yeah, precise! :)
[16:10] <akgraner> pleia2, want to ping you when I'm finished?
[16:10] <pleia2> akgraner: yeah, thanks :)
[16:10] <pleia2> I'll release in about 5 hours (my lunch break)
[16:10] <akgraner> Will do  - shouldn't take me too long :-)
[16:10] <akgraner> k
[16:11] <pleia2> thanks
[16:11] <pleia2> oh, bug stats need some bullet points
[16:11] <akgraner> want me to pull in In ths Issue
[16:11] <akgraner> I'll get it
[16:11] <pleia2> thanks, and sure
[16:23] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, Spanish edition ready :)
[16:23] <pleia2> great!
[17:42] <akgraner> pleia2, I've go it updated I think :-)  might want to read back through it. :-)
[17:42] <akgraner> g/go/got
[17:43] <akgraner> see and there is why...ugh I can't type today
[20:42] <pleia2> akgraner: thanks :)
[20:46] <Silverlion> pleia2 and akgraner good day to the US ;)
[20:46] <akgraner> Silverlion, thank you
[20:47] <Silverlion> akgraner: for what?
[20:47] <akgraner> pleia2, yw - I'll help promote once you publish
[20:48]  * Silverlion is just happy
[20:48] <Silverlion> will you folks promote my upcoming article too? ;)
[20:48] <akgraner> the one in Full Circle?
[20:49] <akgraner> we promote full circle in UWN
[20:50] <Silverlion> i know that ;)
[20:55] <JoseeAntonioR> Spanish edition "published", link ready to be included in the next issue message
[20:57] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: ;)
[20:59] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi, Silverlion! Long time no see!
[20:59] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: being busy over in my team ;)
[21:02] <Silverlion> JoseeAntonioR: u folks want to have the special edition in python for your mobiles and that brings me into the game ;)
[21:08] <pleia2> oh no, I forgot to add the line about the spanish version in the email :( :(
[21:08] <pleia2> so sorry JoseeAntonioR, I'll include it on the rest
[21:09] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: no worries, it's not a big problem :)
[21:13] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue263
[21:14] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2012-April/012063.htm:
[21:14] <Unit193> Remote file does not exist -- broken link!!!
[21:15] <Unit193> (Direct quote, I didn't add all the bangs)
[21:15] <pleia2> Unit193: you're supposed to check links before we publish :)
[21:15] <Unit193> Hey, I ran that before you said that, and a couple days ago.
[21:15] <pleia2> no one actually clicks on the security alerts anyway ;)
[21:15] <Unit193> Heh, I don't doubt that. :P
[21:16] <pleia2> hmm, I don't actually see that error on the wiki
[21:17] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: haha, we're in luck, the message was so big it got stuck in the ubuntu-news queue! I can delete it and send it again with the -ES note :)
[21:17] <Unit193> Part of my link checker, I'll have to find the link to yours so I can run it with that to make sure mine is working.
[21:18] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: that's great! luck's on our side
[21:20] <pleia2> done \o/
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> Already all the summaries for 264?
[22:07] <Silverlion> good night
[22:35] <uros1> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iNh1c8E7zMZBbmIUQmq239GIAHnxadZLA4qgglIgJ2w/edit
[22:36] <uros1> http://www.flickr.com/photos/shareconference/6975390712/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[22:37] <uros1> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-rs/1676/detail/
[22:37] <uros1> http://www.shareconference.net/en
[22:37] <pleia2> hi uros1
[22:38] <uros1> hi
[22:38] <uros1> what you think?
[22:38] <pleia2> sorry, what is it for?
[22:39] <uros1> for weekly newsletter?
[22:39] <pleia2> oh, I see
[22:39] <pleia2> these are all from the same event
[22:39] <uros1> yes
[22:39] <pleia2> looks good, what should the title be?
[22:40] <uros1> ubuntu @ share
[22:40] <uros1> maybe?
[22:40] <pleia2> Ubuntu Serbia presents at Share Conference?
[22:40] <uros1> yes its cool too
[22:40] <pleia2> ok great, I'll add it now
[22:40] <uros1> great


[00:54] <gshmu> ubuntu-device-flash can't flash recovery image
[00:54] <gshmu> how to fix this?
[07:27] <mardy> Mirv: hi! About bug 1508260, the upstream change has been approved, so I think we can backport it to Qt 5.5; should I assign the bug to you?
[07:42] <Mirv> mardy: yes. feel free. 5.5 only?
[07:42] <Mirv> mardy: we've 5.4.1 (vivid overlay), 5.4.2 (xenial), 5.5.1 (PPA)
[07:46] <Mirv>  I'm assuming we want it for vivid overlay too so thus all three
[07:47] <mardy> Mirv: mmm... no idea, actually, the importance on the bug is not set; but if we have the possibility, of course fixing it everywhere would be better :-)
[07:48] <Mirv> mardy: the main question is whether to OTA Or not, but I guess the answer would be yes, and the bug was filed by QA
[07:48] <Mirv> targeting to OTA-9
[07:50] <Mirv> and then the -gles packages, so 6 qtdeclarative builds for one patch :)
[07:50] <Mirv> so nice, updating three versions. if we'd get 5.5 in xenial, it'd be back to two.
[07:56] <attente> hi, is anyone encountering a bootloop on mako when flashing or updating OTA with devel-proposed?
[08:00] <Mirv> attente: devel-proposed (xenial) does currently get the device stuck at the Google logo, AFAIK (still)
[08:00] <Mirv> attente: last known good image is #336 for mako
[08:01] <Mirv> attente: rc-proposed is the meaningful channel since it has practically all the same fixes without the problems of completely newer Ubuntu version
[08:03] <attente> Mirv: ah, ok, thanks!
[08:04] <attente> Mirv: is there a bug number for this by chance?
[08:07] <Mirv> attente: bug #1512323 at least
[08:08] <attente> Mirv: thanks!
[08:36] <tvoss> Mirv, so devel-proposed is busted for now?
[08:37] <jibel> tvoss, yes, since first xenial build
[08:37] <jibel> tvoss, bug 1512323
[08:38] <tvoss> jibel, ack and thx
[08:53] <robin-hero> Hey! I've just flashed an image to my phone (N4) from the rc (not the rc-proposed) channel. But something is weird, the indicator-datetime is showing the dates not fully translated and wrong order. Is it a bug? It's okay with OTA-7.
[08:56] <jibel> robin-hero, what language did you select, what is the format you see and what is the format you expect?
[09:01] <robin-hero> jibel: Hungarian, some examples: expected: Holnap 8.00 what I see: Tomorrow 08:00, expected: Nov. 21. Szo 9.00 what I see: Szo 21 nov. 09:00
[09:01] <jibel> robin-hero, okay, I'll try. In French it look good so far
[09:01] <jibel> looks*
[09:03] <jibel> robin-hero, could you please file a bug against indicator-datetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+filebug
[09:03] <jibel> add as much details as possible
[09:06] <robin-hero> jibel: Will do it, just first I want to try something. I downloaded  indicator-datetime.mo and copied it to my phone, now the phone is rebooting...
[09:12] <robin-hero> Hmm, the same...
[09:26] <robin-hero> jibel: filled a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1515924 Could you mark as you also affected?
[09:41] <robin-hero> sil2100: Hey, could you or somebody take a look at this bug above^^^ ? If more languages are affected too, it is a very serious bug.
[09:45] <popey> thanks robin-hero
[09:49] <robin-hero> popey: for what? :)
[09:50] <popey> bug reports :)
[09:51] <robin-hero> popey: Ah, okay :)
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Kindness Day! 😃
[10:07] <sil2100> robin-hero: let me take a look
[10:09] <sil2100> hm, translation issues, we'll have to make sure to get those properly translated on LP
[10:11] <mardy> tvoss: hi! Do we have a way to delete the aiding data from the commandline? If we don't, should I add it to usl-cli?
[10:11] <robin-hero> sil2100: as I see most strings are changed in August with this language, and it is okay with OTA-7, which is released September
[10:12] <tvoss> mardy, we don't, wondering about the use case you have in mind
[10:13] <mardy> tvoss: debugging, to try to reproduce bugs that might happen on cold start
[10:14] <robin-hero> sil2100: And as I see it is translated properly.
[10:14] <tvoss> mardy, ack, makes sense. So I would propose to just add it to the cli, with the cli leveraging providers::gps::AndroidHardwareAbstractionLayer directly instead of talking to the service
[10:14] <tvoss> mardy, will require sudo, but that's fine I think
[10:15] <mardy> tvoss: ah, this will make it easier
[10:16] <tvoss> mardy, *ideally* we would move the gps provider out of process anyway
[10:18] <tvoss> mardy, so with directly talking to the hal, we can easily cover the later on case, too
[10:19] <mardy> tvoss: meanwhile, I updated the MP, and I'd like to write a test for it; any advice if it could fit any of the existing test classes, or anyway where to start from?
[10:20] <tvoss> mardy, will have a look, and give it some thought
[10:20] <mardy> tvoss: thanks
[10:22] <tvoss> mardy, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/adjust-default-timeout-for-gps-xtra-download/+merge/277426
[10:26] <mardy> tvoss: +1
[10:36] <gshmu> help, (remote: flash tools is error)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/13246631/
[12:35] <Mirv> mardy: tsdgeos: hey, what do you consider as proper upstream validation of the silo 046? can you just test your bug and set https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/649 to "Ready for QA", or would you want me to test something more general? I was thinking it not needing AP tests to be run, but I can run some if needed. The best way to test list + grid views is probably manual.
[12:38] <mardy> Mirv: this fix restricts the cases affected by my previous patch, so testing that the unit tests run should be enough (since I tested my previous patch well)
[12:38] <mardy> Mirv: but I'll now install the silo and run some smoke testing, just to be sure
[12:39] <Mirv> mardy: ok, thanks! yes I know it's a refinement to the previous patch.
[12:45] <mardy> Mirv: yep, I meant to say is that it cannot make things *worse* than they were :-)
[12:46] <Mirv> mardy: ah, right!
[13:34] <tsdgeos> Mirv: mardy: if the unity8 bug is fixed, it's an improvement already :d
[13:44] <tvoss> mardy, would you mind giving https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/651 a spin?
[13:45] <mardy> tvoss: sure
[14:41] <mardy> tvoss: do you know how I can accept the HERE licence, after refusing it in the wizard?
[14:45] <popey> mardy, system settings -> security & privacy -> location
[14:45] <mardy> popey: yeah, I don't have it
[14:45] <mardy> popey: do I need to have a SIM card?
[14:46] <popey> hmmm, odd
[14:46] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-13-144631.png
[14:46] <popey> yours doesn't look like that?
[14:49] <mardy> popey: nope, I have only the options "Use GPS" or nothing at all
[14:49] <mardy> popey: I'm looking at the source code, it checks if here is installed
[14:50] <davmor2> mardy: what image did you flash on what device?
[14:51] <mardy> davmor2: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu on Nexus 4
[14:51] <davmor2> mardy: there is no here on the ubuntu channel
[14:52] <mardy> davmor2: ah, that explains it then :-)
[14:52] <mardy> thanks
[14:53] <davmor2> mardy: no worries
[15:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, i'll make a small mock for org.gtk.Menus so I can check for regression after the design refresh and slotslayout migration. Are you okay with that? I can do it in a separate branch.
[15:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, *in the wifi panel̈́
[15:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, good idea
[15:07] <kenvandine> separate branch please
[15:08] <kenvandine> but sounds like a great idea
[16:13] <zzarr_> hello!
[18:35] <ogra_> what is history-daemon and why does it eat my phone ?
[18:35] <ogra_> (runs at 600% CPu on my MX4)
[18:36]  * ogra_ reboots that slideshow
[18:49] <jibel> ogra_, which image?
[18:50] <ogra_> todays rc-proposed ....
[18:50] <ogra_> reboot fixed it though
[18:50] <ogra_> i'll keep an eye on it
[18:51] <jibel> ogra_, there is a fix for a crash of history daemon but it is not on a image yet
[18:51] <jibel> should be on next one
[18:51] <ogra_> ah, good
[18:52] <jibel> hm, actually I don't see the publication
[18:53] <jibel> ogra_, for reference it was bug 1514350
[18:54] <ogra_> thx
[20:00] <tvoss> mardy, still around?
[20:29] <studio_> hi
[20:30] <studio_> popey, are you still there?
[20:30] <popey> Hello.
[20:30] <studio_> hi
[20:31] <popey> How are you?
[20:31] <studio_> i have seen, you are co-founder on ubuntu mate, right?
[20:31] <popey> Yes.
[20:32] <studio_> i need an image for my new rpi2, where can i download it?
[20:32] <popey> studio_, https://ubuntu-mate.org/wily/ at the bottom of that page
[20:32] <studio_> btw, i am fine, and you?
[20:32] <popey> Great thanks.
[20:33] <studio_> on the "buttom i get "Mac (PowerPC) and IBM-PPC (POWER5)" but not rpi2 ... ?!
[20:34] <popey> sorry, wrong page, https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[20:34] <popey> linked from the previous page
[20:35] <studio_> ahh ... big thanks :)
[20:37] <studio_> back to ubuntu-touch, how do i use the --download-only option in ubuntu-device-flash?
[20:39] <studio_> for exp. "ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer"?
[20:40] <studio_> more nice would be the "ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu" channel ... ;)
[20:40] <studio_> any idea?
[20:46] <popey> studio_, sorry, was afk for a bit.
[20:47] <popey> studio_, ubuntu-device-flash touch --download-only --device=krillin --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer
[20:49] <studio_> "unknown flag `download-only'"
[20:50] <studio_> i am on 15.10 right here
[20:51] <studio_> that is my problem. is it still working under 14.04?
[20:51] <popey> what version of ubuntu-device-flash do you have?
[20:51] <popey> 0.31-0ubuntu1 here
[20:51] <popey> dpkg -L ubuntu-device-flash
[20:52] <studio_> ubuntu-device-flash --help don't give me an option about version ...
[20:56] <studio_> dpkg tells me ubuntu-device- 0.30-0ubuntu amd64
[20:56] <studio_> how did you get the upgrade to 0.31 ?
[20:59] <studio_> ehm, i used dpkg -l ubuntu-device-flash, not the bid "L" ...
[20:59] <studio_> ehm, i used dpkg -l ubuntu-device-flash, not the big "L" ...
[21:03] <studio_> popey, are you on 16.04?
[21:05] <studio_> popey, "cat /etc/*release" tells me, i am on 15.10
[21:10] <studio_> popey, are you still there?
[21:10] <popey> Sorry, yes, I'm on xenial (16.04)
[21:11] <popey> but you're only one point release difference from me
[21:11] <popey> that command line should work
[21:11] <popey> maybe you mis-typed it?
[21:11] <studio_> ahh, ok i use it on an vitual box image, but on 15.10 the command is not working
[21:12] <studio_> copy and paste, how can i mistype that?
[21:13] <popey> I don't know why that's not working
[21:15] <studio_> ubuntu-device-flash touch --download-only --device=krillin --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer
[21:15] <studio_> unknown flag `download-only'
[21:15] <studio_> so where is the problem in that command?
[21:16] <genii> Put touch after the options
[21:17] <genii> ( in the manpage this is the order shown)
[21:17] <studio_> same ... "unknown flag `download-only'
[21:20] <genii> studio_: You tried like: ubuntu-device-flash --download-only touch --device=krillin --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer
[21:21] <studio_> cool, that is working :)
[21:22] <studio_> genii, big thanks :)
[21:25] <genii> studio_: Glad to be of assistance
[21:25] <studio_> have to leave, have a nice weekend, bye all ...


[04:03] <Kilos> you asleep yet superfly?
[04:04] <superfly> Kilos: no, only 9pm
[04:04] <Kilos> remember on 14.04 it booted to a blank screen
[04:04] <Kilos> desktop effects have to be turned off
[04:05] <Kilos> how do you get to those effects if it boots to blank screen
[04:05] <Kilos> something gets you there before boot
[04:07] <Kilos> i think the weed told you how to get there
[04:08] <Kilos> i been up all night trying to fix it and took 3 1/2 hours to get an iso downloaded
[04:09] <Kilos> bad internet here
[04:42] <Kilos> him taking modem to the desktop with the prob. wbb
[05:45] <paddatrapper> Maaz: tell Kilos you can try switch to another tty (ctrl+alt+f1) and see if that is visible
[05:45] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:55] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper ty, i have used ctrl+alt+f3 and can login fine its the display thats missing, but now i did some apt install xservers and stuff and it removed and added tons of stuff. and now it cant even get to login screen anymore
[05:55] <Kilos> lol
[05:55] <Kilos> clean install coming up
[05:56] <Kilos> long time since i have had to do that
[05:56] <paddatrapper> Ah I see. That should fix it
[05:58] <Kilos> 'i tried lots of stuff googling found, some blamed nvidia and others other stuff, and some blamed desktop effects but none of them worked here
[20:38] <pavlushka> Check out @LustForKiIos’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/LustForKiIos/status/961483055662682113?s=01
[20:39] <pavlushka> I go sleep p


[05:18] <Unit193> BiosElement: Sorry for bugging about this again, but what version/ppa are you using for Cherokee?
[10:43] <Unit193> Good morning Ohio


[10:38] <ev> I don't suppose I could pester someone into reviewing the MIR for bug 726453 today?  It's needed for the package preservation part of reusing or upgrading an existing copy of Ubuntu in ubiquity.
[10:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726453 in dpkg-repack (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dpkg-repack (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726453
[10:38] <ev> Apologies for the short notice; I had mistakenly presumed it was already in main.
[10:38] <ev> (dpkg-repack)
[10:39] <Riddell> ev: mterry is the guy to pester when he's online
[10:40] <ev> Riddell: cool, thanks; I'll stalk him.
[12:26] <Riddell> today's Kubuntu CD loads fine on a virtual machine but from a real CD gives me an isolinux error
[12:27] <cjwatson> it's oversized, isn't it?
[12:27] <Riddell> no
[12:27] <cjwatson> I thought I saw cron mail telling me it was
[12:27] <Riddell> powerpc is but I'm testing amd64
[12:27] <cjwatson> oh, just powerpc
[12:28] <cjwatson> don't know, syslinux/gfxboot/etc. haven't changed to my knowledge
[12:28] <Riddell> I'll try different CDs and a USB stick
[13:36] <jamespage> Please could a member of the release team review FFE bug 661230 for me? This is for a merge that just missed Feature Freeze last week.
[13:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 661230 in groovy (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Merge groovy 1.7.4-1 (main) from Debian testing (main) (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 22)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661230
[13:37] <jamespage> thanks!
[14:36] <hggdh> cjwatson: bug 726131 has the logs, and jibel reports he also got hit today
[14:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726131 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "alternate ISO: installation freezes when starting partman (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726131
[15:09] <Riddell> bug 726581  install asks for change of CD
[15:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "install stops half way through (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726581
[15:10] <charlie-tca> Should mention that I only see 726131 using hardware, it does not affect VirtualBox for me
[15:23] <cjwatson> hggdh: unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce this despite my best efforts, and the log is unfortunately a bit sparse - could you do a bit more debugging for me?
[15:23] <cjwatson> I'll put instructions in the bug
[15:24] <hggdh> cjwatson: yes, of course
[15:25] <hggdh> cjwatson: jibel  brought up https://launchpad.net/bugs/722198 as a possible side effect
[15:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 722198 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "installation hangs on 15reuse w/ blank disk (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 28)" [Critical,Fix released]
[15:27] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: I can not reproduce it in Virtualbox, but it reproduces on hardware every time.
[15:30] <cjwatson> hggdh: posted
[15:31] <cjwatson> hggdh: ev has been working on partman-auto lately, there's already been at least one change since your log
[15:59] <hggdh> cjwatson: done
[16:07] <cjwatson> hggdh: which processes did you kill?
[16:07] <cjwatson> unfortunately, the log is truncated before the point I need
[16:07] <hggdh> cjwatson: anything with 'partman' in the command line; I left parted-server
[16:08]  * cjwatson hates d-i's syslog buffering; one of these days I will find out what's causing it
[16:08] <cjwatson> did the installer display return to the main menu?
[16:08] <hggdh> cjwatson: it is easy to redo it
[16:08] <hggdh> (for me, of course ;-)
[16:09] <cjwatson> you basically need to kill stuff until Alt-F1 goes back to the main menu
[16:09] <cjwatson> it's annoying
[16:09] <hggdh> cjwatson: after killing the partman processes, yes -- it noted a failure, and returned me to "Partition disks"
[16:09] <cjwatson> hmm
[16:09] <cjwatson> I wonder why the trace stops in 25replace then
[16:10] <hggdh> I will do it again, it will take just 2 minutes
[16:10] <cjwatson> huh, this time the partman log also stops in 25replace
[16:10] <cjwatson> the previous log showed it stopping in 50biggest_free
[16:10] <cjwatson> ah, you upgraded since then
[16:10] <hggdh> yes, the original syslog was from yesterday's ISO
[16:11] <hggdh> and I was running with DEBCONF_DEBUG=DEVELOPER
[16:11] <cjwatson> that needs to be DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer in order to have any effect
[16:12] <hggdh> dammit
[16:12] <hggdh> want it, anyway?
[16:13] <cjwatson> sure
[16:13] <hggdh> in the oven
[16:14] <cjwatson> I have a suspicion, though
[16:14] <hggdh> yes?
[16:15] <cjwatson> Feb 28 15:53:57 main-menu[382]: (process:10185): + grep -s DISTRIB_ID /tmp/tmp.9pMRFq/etc/lsb-release
[16:15] <cjwatson> Feb 28 15:53:57 main-menu[382]: (process:10185):
[16:15] <cjwatson> Feb 28 15:53:57 main-menu[382]: (process:10185): + release=
[16:15] <cjwatson> that's 'set -e' firing
[16:15] <cjwatson> Feb 28 15:53:57 main-menu[382]: (process:10185): +
[16:15] <cjwatson> Feb 28 15:53:57 main-menu[382]: (process:10185): cleanup
[16:15] <cjwatson> and the effect in that particular place will be to send the partman fifo comms out of sync
[16:15]  * cjwatson goes to insert some more || true calls
[16:16] <hggdh> oh -- when I tried yesterday with a virgin disc (went out and bought a new HD -- first run I had no issues (except wrong option selected)
[16:16] <cjwatson> right, it depends on the state of the disk
[16:18] <hggdh> OK. I will start now killing processes until F1 shows the error message about a failed stop
[16:18] <hggdh> step
[16:19] <cjwatson> I think I've fixed it, so no need
[16:20] <cjwatson> if you want to double-check, you could apply http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto/ubuntu/revision/595 before the partitioner starts up (the filenames are a bit different, use tab-completion under /lib/partman/)
[16:22] <hggdh> cjwatson: will try it -- right now my laptop is a brick, and I really, really, desperately, need it
[16:28] <charlie-tca> heh, there is a good side to the old desktop, at least it works better as a doorstop than the laptop :-)
[16:29] <hggdh> heh
[16:59] <hggdh> cjwatson: OK, seems to work
[16:59] <cjwatson> excellent
[17:00]  * cjwatson closes the bug
[17:01]  * charlie-tca thanks cjwatson for fixing that miserable bug
[17:01] <cjwatson> skaet_: can you ack/nack the "branches (1)-(3)" part of bug 723846?
[17:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723846 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Feature Freeze Exception request for Upstart in Natty (affects: 1) (heat: 885)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723846
[17:02] <cjwatson> now to see if I can reproduce those mountall problems with separate /usr and /var ...
[17:07]  * skaet_ looking
[17:10] <hggdh> cjwatson: I am giving up on multiple filesystems, so I will not be able to test it anymore. Sorry.
[17:10] <skaet_> cjwatson, am a little concerned about comment Do *NOT* use this PPA on systems you care about as it has not been fully tested yet.
[17:11] <skaet_> how risky is it?
[17:16] <cjwatson> skaet_: well, since then it has been tested by a few people on the team
[17:17] <cjwatson> I think that's standard "you probably don't want to be the first person to try an upstart upgrade"
[17:17] <cjwatson> James Page and Michael Vogt haven't reported any issues AFAIK so far
[17:20] <skaet_> Do we have a fallback if the wider exposure suddenly shows breakage?
[17:22] <skaet_> cjwatson,  what features of branch 2 will be on by default, and which ones not?
[17:23] <cjwatson> branch 1 only has any effect if the upstart-socket-bridge process is started, so we could just not start that (and not use it in any jobs, which we won't be using at the moment)
[17:24] <cjwatson> from branch 2, chroot session handling is on by default but user session handling is off by default
[17:25] <cjwatson> chroot session handling is only invoked if you talk to upstart from inside a chroot
[17:26] <cjwatson> if chroot session handling breaks, I think a reasonable fallback would be to change session_from_dbus temporarily to always return NULL (i.e. the root session)
[17:27] <cjwatson> that would effectively disable that feature
[17:28] <cjwatson> user session handling is switched off by means of an Ubuntu-local patch that switches the D-Bus policy back to root-only; we'd like to enable this, but we can't do so until it has a comprehensive test suite
[17:39] <skaet_> from discussions jhunt, branch 3 is in good shape.   and 1,2,3 are all bound together now, so its really just branch 2 that's the top worry.    Sounds like we've got fall backs,  do we have adequate documentation if there are issues?
[17:40] <skaet_> cjwatson, or can we ensure we've got it in place by Thursday?
[17:40] <skaet_> ;)
[17:48] <cjwatson> I think we should be able to manage some form of documentation of the intended semantics of sessions by Thursday
[17:48] <cjwatson> probably improvements to the init(5) man page
[17:50] <skaet_> cjwatson,  its sounding ok from a desktop sense then, concern will be impact to server team.  Am working with Daviey to figure out what sort of coverage they'll have this week, with ensemble sprint going on.
[17:54] <Daviey> Personally, i think getting exposure in A3 makes sense... it doesn't seem to be a kitten killer on a server i just tried it on.
[17:55] <Daviey> Would feel happier if robbbie ack'd that opinion tbh.
[17:58] <skaet_> cjwatson, jhunt,  Daviey,   since its new features only, we'll have documentation and we're not affecting the old ones,  ok.  lets put it in.   ack.
[17:59] <skaet_> cjwatson, I'll put my comments in the bug as well - ok?  or do you need something further.
[18:00] <Daviey> sounds good to me.
[18:01] <cjwatson> that's fine, thank you!
[18:04] <didrocks> hey
[18:04] <didrocks> so, we get some last minute challenges that will delay the unity release for some hours and upload is planned tomorrow morning. is it ok?
[18:06] <ogra> hrm
[18:07]  * ogra would have liked some arm images tomorrow to fix remaining issues ... we didnt have any since 10 days or longer due to unity and nux
[18:08] <cjwatson> didrocks: do wew get a choice? ;-)
[18:08] <cjwatson> *we
[18:08] <skaet_> didrocks, urk
[18:08] <didrocks> cjwatson: well, we can take a chance and see if it blows up in that state :)
[18:08] <didrocks> just that there is a compiz upload under way
[18:08] <didrocks> and the other changes aren't tested a lot
[18:09] <skaet_> didrocks, prefer to have them tested and solid before they go in.
[18:10] <didrocks> the counter part is tomorrow morning though :/
[18:10] <didrocks> at least, compiz upload tonight
[18:10]  * ogra thinks we really should have two weeks between FF and the next milestone in N+1
[18:10]  * skaet_ agrees with ogra
[18:12] <didrocks> we tried to feed everything we can for FF, but some design changed came in since and that's impact a lot the codebase…
[18:14] <skaet_> cjwatson, do we still have some libreoffice breakage going on with the DVDs?
[18:15] <cjwatson> I think that should be fixed, it was just skew due to the i386 build being in binary NEW, which I processed on Saturday
[18:16] <skaet_> last night's report still had it and there's a few others in there.   looks like we have oversize cds again as well though, but that can be handled with documentation.
[18:17] <cjwatson> the DVDs are only built every few days
[18:17] <cjwatson> and that's subject to the build succeeding of course
[18:18] <skaet_> ah,  didn't quite understand that.
[18:18] <skaet_> Can we kick off a DVD build then, and see if we're good there?
[18:19] <cjwatson> sure, running
[18:19] <skaet_> thanks.
[18:21] <skaet_> didrocks,  we're going to need to handle this very, very carefully.
[18:22] <skaet_> Riddell is on point for handling the image building for this release once we go into Alpha 3 freeze at 2300 UTC.
[18:22] <didrocks> skaet_: ok, I'm not even sure compiz will get built at 2300 UTC
[18:24] <skaet_> didrocks, its uploaded though?  how much time does it take (ie. are we waiting on priority, or compute cycles?)
[18:24] <didrocks> skaet_: not yet, trying to get all the needed bits from upstream
[18:25] <skaet_> urk,  this is not sounding good.
[18:26] <skaet_> hmmm
[18:26]  * ogra feels the soft freeze turn into a wobbly one :)
[18:27] <skaet_> cjwatson, didrocks, what are the implications on holding off on the upload until after we know we have a fallback set of images from tonights build?
[18:29] <didrocks> skaet_: it's a soft freeze isn't it? so I will upload compiz tomorrow morning, after the CD spin?
[18:30] <dbarth> skaet_: the FFE request is at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/683688
[18:30]  * didrocks doesn't like to mix compiz and unity upload at once
[18:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 683688 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Touch window management gesture previews (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[18:30] <didrocks> and there is this FFe as well coming with it ^
[18:31] <dbarth> skaet_: let me know if i can subscribe the release team to it, if the request is receivable
[18:37] <ogra> didrocks, that means unity upload in the afternoon ?
[18:37] <didrocks> ogra: depends on what the release team is telling, tomorrow morning is definitively acheavable if I can upload compiz now
[18:38] <ogra> well, asap from my POV
[18:38] <skaet_> dbarth,  yes subscribe release team to it.   I'm not sure we're going to be able to include this latest set in A3 though.
[18:39] <ogra> the arm team has no clue what works on the arm images and what doesnt, last successfull image build we had was on feb 16th
[18:39] <skaet_> didrocks, compiz and unity need to be tied together though right?
[18:39] <ogra> one depends on the other
[18:39] <highvoltage> has anyone installed recent daily builds when an existing machine is alread installed? ubiquity doesn't proceed to the Where-are-you slide for me on two different machines when I have an existing system installed
[18:40] <highvoltage> s/existing machine/existing system/g
[18:40] <didrocks> skaet_: the new unity will dep on the new compiz, right
[18:41] <sbeattie> slangasek: are you on AA duties today? Can you deNEW python-libapparmor? We'd like to get the apparmor packages update in for alpha 3.
[18:41] <slangasek> sbeattie: sure, looking
[18:42] <skaet_> didrocks, if compiz is in with the old unity - are we broken?  (ie did any key APIs change?)
[18:42] <didrocks> skaet_: but old unity still works with the new compiz if that's the question (for this one)
[18:42] <skaet_> yup it was.
[18:42] <skaet_> :)
[18:42] <didrocks> some API addition, only
[18:44] <didrocks> hum… wait
[18:44] <skaet_> and bug fixes, I assume...   but ok,  less risk.   do we have a recovery plan if new compiz kitten kills.
[18:44] <skaet_> ?
[18:46] <didrocks> I'm checking something with upstream, because they just told me "of course, you need to build all rdepends"
[18:46] <didrocks> which is a no go…
[18:47] <skaet_> sigh
[18:47] <slangasek> sbeattie: accepted
[18:47]  * didrocks is totally exhausted… and it's only Monday :/
[18:47] <sbeattie> slangasek: thanks!
[18:48]  * skaet_ appreciates the effort the team did over the weekend,  was watching it.
[18:51] <dbarth> skaet_, didrocks: he grab handles feature is a nice-to-have one, a3 can ship without it; it's mostly for MT users that it's importnat
[18:52] <didrocks> dbarth: it's in trunk
[18:54] <skaet_> didrocks,  ok, lets get your upload candidates for unity and compiz solid and unit tested today,  and in parallel, let us get some good A3 candidate images with what we have in the repository already.   Then tomorrow morning you do some testing with the candiate A3 images, with this candidate update added.   If its solid when tested out with the A3 images, we'll negotiate with Riddell and Jibel to see if we can bu
[18:54] <skaet_> ild and get it tested in time for A3,  otherwise it will need to go in after.
[18:55] <didrocks> skaet_: sounds good then holding the upload right now
[18:55] <didrocks> in any case, we need the FFe above acked
[18:55] <skaet_> didrocks,  thanks.
[18:55] <didrocks> skaet_: thanks to you :)
[18:58] <highvoltage> Riddell: was this by any chance when installing from a USB disk? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/726581
[18:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "install stops half way through (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:58] <ogra> skaet_, that wont work for arm
[18:59] <ogra> we need fixes that will be in the upcoming unity to make it actually build
[19:02] <skaet_> ogra, urk
[19:03] <ogra> skaet_, as i said above, we're waiting for an installable unity since feb 16th
[19:03] <skaet_> educate me a bit on the dependencies involved here please...
[19:04] <ogra> we dont even know if the images will work in case they actually build
[19:04] <ogra> ubuntu-netbook depends on unity
[19:04] <ogra> after feb 16th nux was broken until FF, that made unity uninstallable ...
[19:05] <skaet_> ogra, do we know that the images right now will actually solve the issues, or are we hoping?
[19:05] <ogra> after FF unity itself was broken ... that makes unity uninstallable
[19:05] <ogra> we dont know anything about the images atm
[19:05] <ogra> thats why i am so pushy to get any
[19:06] <ogra> i know that unity, and jockey hold up image builds atm
[19:06] <ogra> jockey was fixed this morning
[19:07] <ogra> unity is pending a fix that was submitted upstream, if that doesnt get in we could indeed still solve it through a package patch but that should happen asap
[19:09] <skaet_> Would like to investigate the package patch option then, ASAP.
[19:09] <skaet_> dbarth, ^^ ?
[19:10] <skaet_> dbarth, can we get a package patch, so we have a possible way to unstick ARM for the release, and not jeopardize the rest of the release?
[19:10] <skaet_> didrocks, ^^?
[19:10] <didrocks> skaet_: sorry, I'm still under a lot of things to do
[19:11] <didrocks> still trying to get compiz in shape
[19:11] <didrocks> not like if i asked for that 12 hours ago…
[19:11] <skaet_> didrocks, understand.
[19:12] <skaet_> is there anyone else who can help pull the patch and test it?
[19:12] <ogra> didrocks, well, if you dont make it, could you add a package patch with the fix from janimo to have the unity ftbfs fixed ?
[19:12] <ogra> i could prepare a dpatch against whats in the archive atm
[19:13] <didrocks> ogra: no dpatch, we can use cherry-pick
[19:13] <ogra> err s/dpatch/debdiff/
[19:13] <didrocks> wait, we need to define what can get in
[19:13] <cjwatson> skaet_: I'd be concerned about relying on a fallback - the installer has a number of open partitioning bugs and I'm not sure we've nailed them all
[19:13] <didrocks> can we hold on for 15 minutes?
[19:14] <skaet_> cjwatson,  I was afraid that might be the case... :(
[19:15] <skaet_> didrocks,  ok.
[19:15] <ogra> skaet_, bug 724615 btw
[19:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724615 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "unity FTBFS on armel (affects: 1) (heat: 1170)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724615
[19:19] <skaet_> cjwatson, ok, so we need focused testing right at start of images emerging on the partitioning bugs.  Any chance we can pull together a candidate image right now (the DVDs that were building??) and see where we are?
[19:20] <cjwatson> partitioning is just what I know about ...
[19:21] <cjwatson> we can probably do an image later tonight - the current DVDs, I wouldn't be so sure
[19:25] <skaet_> cjwatson,  if you can get an image that should be close to what we'll be using, I'll see if we can get some sniff testing lined up with marjo.   If sniff testing doesn't look good, we're going to have to go with a package patch if we want arm to go out with A3.
[19:26] <cjwatson> I'd honestly be pretty surprised if images from tonight will be releaseable
[19:26] <jdstrand> skaet_: hey. did you get an answer as to whether universe/multiverse needs FFes?
[19:27] <cjwatson> we've had too many days in succession with uninstallable images, with a sequence of different things going wrong
[19:27] <ScottK> skaet_ and jdstrand: What question is there?
[19:28] <dbarth> skaet_: distro patch you mean, sure, discussing that with didrocks atm
[19:28] <jdstrand> ScottK: well, I couldn't remember, and skaet couldn't find an authoritative answer on whether or not universe/multiverse needs an FFe now that we are past FF. the wiki seems to only imply it
[19:28] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:28] <jdstrand> cool
[19:29] <jdstrand> I'll make the wiki more explicit then
[19:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:29] <skaet_> thanks ScottK, jdstrand
[19:30] <jdstrand> cjwatson: after I look at some more deNEWs that might affect alpha3, I was planning to start looking at the alpha3 buildability things that I can investigate/prod/fix as an AA. are there particular items I should look at first? (noting your recent comments)
[19:31] <skaet_> cjwatson, I fear you are right.
[19:31] <cjwatson> jdstrand: nothing in particular, just beat on as much as you can
[19:31] <jdstrand> skaet_: that goes for you too
[19:31] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ack
[19:33] <jdstrand> I hoped to be able to beat on it sooner, but between FF and various other items last week, I was unable to
[19:33] <cjwatson> the livefs bits of the Ubuntu DVDs at least built successfully
[19:40] <skaet_> cjwatson, good to know.  If you can go into #ubuntu-testing and let marjo know which image to pick up,  he's ready to start doing some early testing on it to see where we are.    If its better to wait for another build from later today, please advise.
[19:42] <skaet_> jdstrand,  do we know if the problems with ubuntu-meta 1.216 produces uninstallable binaries:
[19:42] <skaet_>   * ubuntu-desktop (amd64)   have been resolved?
[19:42] <jdstrand> skaet_: let me see
[19:42]  * jdstrand hasn't been looking at that
[19:43]  * skaet_ --> lunch, biab
[19:45] <didrocks> so…
[19:46] <didrocks> skaet_: dbarth: I have a working compiz right now
[19:46] <jdstrand> skaet_: my apt-get install ubuntu-desktop with only main and restricted enabled in my chroot seems to indicate yes
[19:48] <didrocks> so, to sum up:
[19:48] <didrocks> - new compiz with decorators fix and some requirements for next unity here
[19:49] <didrocks> - I can distro-patch unity to get the FTBFS fixed as well as at least one important commit to fix a "dancing launcher" issue
[19:49] <didrocks> then, tomorrow, we can push the new unity release
[19:49] <didrocks> does it sounds ok?
[19:49] <dbarth> didrocks: +1 for the dancing launcher one, getting that one + the decorator is important for a3
[19:49] <marjo> didrocks: sounds ok
[19:50] <skaet_> didrocks,  sounds good.   We'll make the call on the rest of unity tomorrow, and cross fingers for no regressions for compiz
[19:50] <didrocks> skaet_: ok pushing away then :)
[19:50] <didrocks> 1. compiz -> now
[19:50] <didrocks> ogra_: FYI ^^
[19:51] <ogra_> didrocks, fine with me as long as i dont stand in the rain in the end :)
[19:52] <didrocks> ogra_: seems really pressuring and rainy here since too long :)
[19:52] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[19:52] <skaet_> jdstrand, can you keep a close eye on compiz as it goes into the archive, and nudge up its building priority?   would prefer to know soonest if its going to be problematic.
[19:53] <ogra_> didrocks, i guess we can be just lucky its still water that comes down from above ;)
[19:53] <didrocks> ok, compiz done, time for backporting some unity fixes
[19:53] <didrocks> ogra_: heh, agreed :)
[19:53] <skaet_> didrocks, thanks.
[20:01] <dbarth> ogra_: is there still an FTBFS problem with unity on arm?
[20:02]  * skaet_ walks away for computer now for food,  REALLY.
[20:02] <dbarth> or didrocks ^^, ie do you need help fixing that
[20:02] <didrocks> dbarth: it should be fixed with the commit I backport
[20:02] <dbarth> ok
[20:04] <didrocks> dbarth: we need daily armel build
[20:04] <ogra_> right, its holding back the image builds since FF
[20:04] <ogra_> i guess we should in the future just use distro patches for armel failures to overcome that
[20:05] <ogra_> it was unfortunate that nux and unity failed in succession this time
[20:05] <didrocks> ogra_: that would be better to prepare before the release
[20:05] <didrocks> yeah :/
[20:05] <didrocks> hence the daily build option we have for FTBFS… just no armel hw still
[20:06] <ogra_> that should be solved pretty soon
[20:06] <ogra_> davidm is working on it
[20:06] <didrocks> that will be nice, I don't know if I'm going to break you guys before the upload righ tnow :/
[20:06] <ogra_> you shouldnt
[20:07] <dbarth> ogra_: we had that for certain ppas but powerpc and other as well
[20:07] <dbarth> ogra_: it's something i need to ask IS for right? i don't see a build option in the ppa config right now
[20:08] <cjwatson> that's called "non-virtualised PPAs" - you have to ask IS for it, yes
[20:08] <ogra_> dbarth, i can arrange that your team or the desktop team has access to the canonical-arm-dev ppa
[20:08] <cjwatson> and it's not a generally available facility because there are security implications
[20:08] <cjwatson> (it means that PPA has no sandboxing)
[20:08] <ogra_> right
[20:08] <didrocks> yeah, I remember the discussion about it at UDS
[20:08] <ogra_> thats why all access to arm PPAs is restricted
[20:09] <ogra_> we are working on a solution and should have it ready right by release
[20:09] <ogra_> (non deliverable HW held this up)
[20:10] <didrocks> ok, unity builds and work fine here, pushing
[20:10] <didrocks> dbarth: skaet_ ^^
[20:11] <dbarth> didrocks: cool
[20:11] <dbarth> ogra_, cjwatson: who do i need to email to get the process started?
[20:14] <cjwatson> RT
[20:16] <dbarth> k
[20:22] <ogra_> you shouldnt file an RT for that, we specifically have an existing PPA specifically for such testbuild cases
[20:22] <jdstrand> skaet_: I actually don't have the access to up the build priority
[20:25] <didrocks> ogra_: that would be better to test it before the release
[20:25] <ogra_> didrocks, right
[20:25] <didrocks> ogra_: and as I got most of the time the release really late, I don't see myself pushing the release to the ppa, wait it builds and then if it doesn't, what to do? it will be 10PM with nobody around
[20:26] <jdstrand> skaet_: I could probably have that arranged though
[20:26] <jdstrand> skaet_: but it isn't needed-- it is building
[20:26] <jdstrand> (done on all but armel, and building on armel)
[20:27] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OtherProjectSchedules is linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule and is outdated (just thought someone here might want to know)
[20:27] <ogra_> didrocks, i dont get that ? so why would a PPA hel at all then ?
[20:28] <ogra_> *help
[20:28] <didrocks> ogra_: the daily builds are automatic
[20:28] <skaet_> thanks jdstrand
[20:28] <didrocks> ogra_: each commits is pushed and built
[20:28] <ogra_> ah
[20:28] <jdstrand> ok, so NEW is caught up for source and binaries until saturday, and nothing pending in main
[20:28] <didrocks> so we know that really early :)
[20:28]  * jdstrand moves away from NEW processing
[20:28] <ogra_> didrocks, but then you need close control over the people that can commit
[20:28] <jdstrand> s/until/up til last/
[20:29] <didrocks> ogra_: agreed (should be the dx team IIRC)
[20:42]  * skaet_ --> appt, out of touch for a bit.
[21:09] <cjwatson> upstart 0.9.0-1ubuntu3 uploaded
[21:26] <didrocks> unity build on arm
[21:26] <didrocks> ogra: skaet_ ^^
[21:26] <didrocks> built*
[21:27] <ogra> yay
[21:28] <didrocks> compiz ok as well, pending publishing on armel
[21:28] <didrocks> all sounds under control :)
[21:29] <didrocks> so now, let's wait tomorrow morning for next unity with a good QA
[21:29] <ogra> ++
[21:29] <ogra> thanks for all the effort
[21:31] <didrocks> ogra: you're welcome :)
[21:31] <didrocks> see you tomorrow!
[21:31] <marjo> cjwatson, didrocks: do you still want QA team to do sanity testing? otherwise, you'll have to wait for jibel tomorrow morning
[21:31] <marjo> cjwatson, didrocks: sanity testing today (US time)
[21:32] <cjwatson> we're approaching ready to start building images, but it's going to be another hour
[21:32] <cjwatson> (which time I am going to spend with my family rather than my computer)
[21:33] <marjo> cjwatson: thx for the update
[21:43] <slangasek> skaet_, cjwatson: hi, so as I understand it these current builds are smoke testing, right?  pitti approved a dpkg multiarch FFe conditional on getting it in before alpha3, and I haven't uploaded yet because the change has still been in upstream review to make sure there are no interface changes needed.  Is there time for me to upload dpkg before a3 or should we look at doing that Friday instead?
[22:28] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'm not sure, I think skaet_ is in more of a hurry than I am
[22:29] <cjwatson> on general principles I (a) sympathise with pitti's stipulation, (b) REALLY want this in for natty, and (c) would be more comfortable with Friday
[22:29] <cjwatson> I realise that these are mutually inconsistent
[22:30] <slangasek> :-)
[22:30] <cjwatson> (oh hey, don't suppose you can get dpkg upstream to accept Debian #612472, and then we would have no outstanding Ubuntu delta that needs to be preserved ...)
[22:30] <ubot4> Debian bug 612472 in dpkg "dpkg: Ubuntu ppc64 optimisation defaults" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/612472
[22:32] <slangasek> ah, I'll bend buxy's ear on this :)
[22:33] <cjwatson> I would be happy with Friday as long as that doesn't cause us to miss natty, so I wonder if it's possible to contact pitti
[22:49] <cjwatson> doing Ubuntu alternate/desktop/server Kubuntu alternate/desktop builds now
[22:49] <cjwatson> by way of smoke-testing
[22:49] <cjwatson> and I'm off bedwards
[23:23] <jdstrand> so, looking at natty_probs.html, it is mostly a bunch of armel stuff. anything related to smb is resolving. bugs filed for various others
[23:24] <jdstrand> fglrx and nvidia are due to the known xorg-video-abi-8.0 incompatibility
[23:24] <jdstrand> (those are obviously amd64 and i386)
[23:25] <jdstrand> and that is also what makes kubuntu-full uninstallable
[23:26] <jdstrand> so, in all, natty_probs.html looks quite good
[23:26] <jdstrand> skaet_: ^
[23:26] <jdstrand> and with that, I am out of here. I'll look at cd issues when I come online again, if cjwatson and pitti don't beat me to it
[23:27] <jdstrand> (based on what I've seen today, they should all by fine, but obviously we need to wait for cjwatson's smoke test


[11:24] <mathieu__> Hi, I am looking for a suggestion on how to best report a kernel bug. I tried $ ubuntu-bug linux but this appears to collect information using dmesg since the last boot. I have logs from the previous buggy boot and I wonder what I should do with them.
[12:34] <apw> mathieu__, you can file a bug with www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug and attach the files by hand
[12:34] <mathieu__> apw, ok, will do
[21:51] <sorinello> Hello. Anyone knows how well Ubuntu supports BTRFS ? I maybe someone knows. I found some articles f rom 2015-2016 NOT recommending BTRFS yet
[22:02] <chiluk> It supports btrfs as well as the kernel on which it was forked supports it.
[22:03] <chiluk> the article you are referencing is probably more a statement on the stability/reliability of the filesystem..
[22:03] <chiluk> of which I have not heard very many good things..
[22:04] <chiluk> basically btrfs is the least stable of the common filesystems.
[22:04] <chiluk>  #eatsyourdata
[22:04] <chiluk> I'm sure cking has more opions on that.


[03:30] <eruditehermit> hey, is there any chance of getting https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68528924/0001-ALSA-HDA-Fix-single-internal-mic-on-ALC275-Sony-Vaio.patch incorporated into a kernel update in natty/
[08:19] <kaushal> Hi
[08:19] <kaushal> Please guide me about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/605598/
[08:25] <fairuz> i'm not an expert but try to do modinfo to the .ko files
[08:25] <fairuz> and see if they are matched with the kernel you are using
[11:46] <bullgard4> When booting, Natty displays in a short time the following 2 (3) startup messages on VT7: "i.) * Starting Mount network filesystems [OK]. ii.) *Stopping Mount network filesystems [OK]. iii.) [fail]." What program did write them?
[18:58] <bullgard4> When booting, Natty displays in a short time the following 2 (3) startup messages on VT7: "i.) * Starting Mount network filesystems [OK]. ii.) *Stopping Mount network filesystems [OK]. iii.) [fail]." What program did write them?
[23:45] <joshhunt> i realize this may not be the proper forum, but does anyone have a guide to getting plymouth booting on ubuntu server lucid lts with no splash?


[23:56] <konobi> howdy all
[23:57] <konobi> I'm having a problem with juju-quickstart
[23:57] <konobi> it appears that juju is doing inspection of the private key it's trying to use, does that sound right?


[13:28] <gary_poster> bac, benji, gmb: kanban/mumble in 2
[13:28] <gmb> Yep
[13:28] <gmb> Oh, hey, Kanban? Yeah, you work better with the JS and CSS loaded.
[13:30] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:30] <gary_poster> bac, yoohoo?
[13:30] <bac> launched but forgot to press "connect"
[16:14] <gary_poster> hey benji, nice work on +feature-info
[16:14] <benji> thanks
[16:34] <gary_poster> bac, are you working on a "what do we do about the results of the user testing" plan, or do you plan to, or do you want me or someone else to, or do you want to have a mumble with me and/or benji, ...
[16:35] <bac> i'm in the piston talk now.
[16:35] <gary_poster> oh right forgot sorry
[16:35] <bac> after i want to look at the transcripts
[16:35] <bac> and then talk
[16:35] <gary_poster> cool, sounds good
[18:41] <bac> hi gary_poster
[18:41] <gary_poster> hey bac
[18:41] <bac> gary_poster: hey do you and benji want to talk about the user testing?
[18:41] <benji> I'm game.  I've read the summary.
[18:42] <gary_poster> I would, bac.  I could do it anytime between now and...
[18:42] <gary_poster> well, now then?
[18:42]  * benji fires up the mubletron 3000.
[19:56] <bac> benji: mockups are at  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yellow/launchpad/subscription-widget-mockups
[20:15] <bac> i must take a call
[20:17] <bac> back. sorry
[22:11] <bac> gary_poster: progress -- dynamically generated accordion in an overlay http://people.canonical.com/~bac/accordionoverlay.png
[22:11] <bac> butt ugly...
[22:12] <gary_poster> bac: cool :-)
[22:23] <gary_poster> night all