[09:57] <SandGorgon> I think linux's direction should be towards consumption and creation of content - good audio, cam, ebook support should be where it needs to go. How else can it stand up against the other great fruity*nix
[09:57] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, I sure those words on a release announcement look much better than "Your system will no longer freeze when doing Y" :P
[09:58] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, :) I admit that.. true.. however "increased compatibility with thousands of new printers, scanners and webcams" sounds good as well
[09:59] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, people take that as granted on a OS ;)
[10:01] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, sigh... you should sometime read the blog post (and more importantly the _comments_) on Jonathan Blow's website, when he posted about his inability to port Braid to Linux because it lacked low latency sound. Stuff like that really is the reason why we dont have better games on linux
[10:01] <nzmm> ?
[10:01] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, oh sound+linux = FAIL
[10:02] <joaopinto> :P
[10:02] <jussi> !ot
[10:02] <ubnbeta2> pulseaudio = FAIL
[10:02] <joaopinto> sorry, I mean I feel that sound related support on Ubuntu as been a long standing problem
[10:03] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, low latency sound and pointer control = fail. Maybe (I'm not sure here), jackd would be the logical way forward - I always keep waiting for Ubuntu to throw in its support behind something other than pulse
[10:06] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: don't wait - jump in and offer your help
[10:08] <kklimonda> i wonder why does this statement ends most discussions ;)
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ahaha
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> its hard work, to WORK on something
[10:09] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, you think it does, but doesn't.  I've actually done things like that.  I re-wrote the entire audio control system for "tvtime" that was using OSS to use ALSA and have device controls.  The patch was never accepted by the author, I didn't feel like forking it myself.
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> *if* you are going to fix it, you are not going to discuss about it, you are busy fixing it
[10:10] <ubnbeta2> so it's often more complex then just "jumping in."
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> ubnbeta2: true, also
[10:11] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: every contribution should start with a discussion.
[10:13] <ubnbeta2> in an ideal world, open source would be just that.  People add good ideas and contributions to projects.  But to often, like with XFree86 -> xorg, people get in the way.  My hope for ubuntu would be that they value the community more.
[10:14] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, it did, he said go ahead, patches welcome, so I did it, and then he decided he didn't want it since he wasn't using alsa or knew anything about it.  Kind of the go away "patches welcome" and didn't mean it.
[10:15] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: well, then it was obviously either a miscommunication or simply a bad luck.
[10:15] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, I am ... last 2 weeks. I filed more than 16 bugs - most of them with detailed analyses. I dont know how effective I would be with origramming, but I dont mind trying
[10:15] <SwedeMike> ubnbeta2: I was involved in discussions on mplayer list as well regarding that, some said "implement it and then we'll decide" which I think is bullshit if they already have decided to not accept it.
[10:16] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, as I said, people say "patches welcome" sometimes and me go away since many people will and not come back.
[10:16] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, I think that is a very good point you raise. Win7 (a brilliant OS IMHO) fixed thousands of bugs becuase it's beta builds sent back a huge amount of data necessary for debugging.
[10:17] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: we already have more data than we can either process or make use of to fix bugs
[10:17] <SandGorgon> I dont mind running an extremely verbose OS or debug enabled (at the cost of performance) if it helps people - but a  lot of people cannot contribute patches back
[10:18] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: unfortunately Ubuntu is at the point when we have much more users (most of whom aren't experienced linux users) than developers.
[10:18] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, what do you suggest then - bug bash where a lot of "doesnt work in X but worked in Y" bugs are dealt with ? that would be brilliant
[10:19] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: I don't suggest anything - there is no good way of dealing with this problem
[10:19] <Ken8521> kklimonda, very well said
[10:20] <Ken8521> i know what will fix it
[10:20] <Ken8521> Canonical sell Ubuntu to Microsoft.
[10:20] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: I can't even say "Canonical should just employ more good developers" because there aren't that many good developers with a good understanding of various Linux bits who are looking for work
[10:22] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, nope.. not that - how do you better harness all these people who are passionate about linux, but are not full blown developers. That problem, if solved, would be amazing - it could even be as simple as lead developers getting together on a particular day and helping everyone (a lot of repeated questions!) on how to debug and fix their own problems.
[10:23] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: actually we have classes for people interested in either bugfixing, writing new code or doing any other work for Ubuntu.
[10:25] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, is that worldwide ? You guys have no clue how big Linux is (and getting to be) in Asia - where not only do big computer makers sell _all_ their stuff without Windows, but it is impossible for a large part of the population to afford windows.
[10:26] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: they are on IRC so I guess it's worldwide
[10:27] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, I did not know about these classes - this is news and I would be very interested.
[10:27] <kklimonda> !classroom
[10:37]  * ubnbeta2 ins't in the US
[10:38] <ubnbeta2> or the northern hemisphere either. :p
[10:39] <SwedeMike> SandGorgon: it's interesting how many computers are sold here with MSDOS or Linux (I'm in Bangkok atm) to keep the prices down.
[10:39] <hifi> msdos? O_o
[10:39] <hifi> freedos by any chance?
[10:39] <SwedeMike> yes, msdos. ( or freedos, I don't know)
[10:39] <SwedeMike> it says msdos in the ads
[10:39] <hifi> heh
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> what are ppl expected to do with MSDOS?
[10:43] <SwedeMike> when you see 300USD computers including windows is a big increase in price of the product
[10:44] <SwedeMike> BUGabundo_remote: see that the computer POSTs before they leave the store, probably.
[10:44] <SwedeMike> a big problem here as far as I can deduce is that people the ninstall pirated windows and don't get windows update working, so a lot of people get p0wned and then spread malware
[10:46] <SandGorgon> In India, I see a lot of Ubuntu computers sold from stores.. it is still a tie between Fedora and Ubuntu
[10:48] <SandGorgon> 99% of the people who dont use linux do it because of driver problems (bluetooth, webcam, card reader, *fingerprint reader*, printer, scanner) or that OO sucks when it comes to MSOffice
[10:48] <oneirosFade> Wait, OOo sucks?
[10:48] <oneirosFade> Nobody bothered to inform me of this. :(
[10:48] <BUGabundo_remote> OOo rocks
[10:48] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, try Softmaker Office and then u'll see a really viable office replacement on Linux
[10:49] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, I actually deploy these, so I know
[10:49] <oneirosFade> SandGorgon:  MSOffice replacement insomuch as...?  What is your criteria?
[10:50] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, compatibilty. The rest of world is still on MSOffice - in a significantly large number of cases, OO doesnt play nice with those documents.
[10:50] <oneirosFade> Ah
[10:51] <oneirosFade> Well, I'm not in an enterprise environment, so MSO can eat a bad sector
[10:51] <SandGorgon> trust me.. I tried to deploy Ubuntu at an accounting shop - they loved it. But in the end Office won out. Softmaker is much better, so I may be able to push a lot more installations now
[10:51] <oneirosFade> OOo has given me no problems, and a PDF is a PDF, a printed page is a printed page :)
[10:51] <G_A_C> ~[5~[6~[6~[6~
[10:52] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, Excel is the real killer I suppose, followed by DOC. PPT is not that critical
[10:53] <Trewas> I don't need to use office software much but I find OOo pretty horrible compared ms office, I think overall (features etc, even compatibility) it is ok, but wrt all the small usability things ms office is *much* better
[11:03] <sveinse> Thunderbird seems to have lost all its handling of mime types on my system. If I go into Preferences->Attachments the Content Type list is empty. I need to provide action for *every* program, including for http links...
[11:03] <sveinse> (I have upgraded Karmic to Lucid on amd64)
[11:11] <Damascene> do you know a good way to create animated gift
[11:12] <AnxiousNutAtC-PC> im running lubuntu beta2 from live USB but it cant play .ogv!
[11:15] <AnxiousNutAtC-PC> sorry it can, but not correctly! i get huge pixels
[11:17] <Ven]n> how can I see whats going on while shutting down the system? the dots just keep going
[11:17] <Ven]n> and it wont shut down
[11:20] <xapel> Does anyone know the status of the windows port of the ubuntuone client?
[11:22] <mungojerry> are the new lucid wallpapers designed for widescreen only? it looks really bad on my non-widescreen dual monitor setup
[11:25] <joaopinto> xapel, is there a windows port ?
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> wow
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> half the time
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> now if only I could cut that to 50% again
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> rt @brionv: Clever... looks like the Ubuntu 10.04 installer does an IP-based geo lookup to guess your timezone :D
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> humm I never saw this
[11:28] <Ven]n> hmm.. something prevents my ubuntu from shutting down.. how to fix? :)
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> ahaha
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> really?
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> $ sudo halt ?
[11:29] <Ven]n> lemme try again
[11:29] <Ven]n> the dots just kept going and going
[11:29] <Ven]n> hehe
[11:29] <BUGabundo_remote> which dots?
[11:29] <Ven]n> the ones showing when you shutdown
[11:30] <Ven]n> now I typed sudo halt
[11:30] <Ven]n> and I see the ubuntu logo and 5 dots
[11:30] <xapel> joaopinto: Not a working one, but I know there was an effort to create one
[11:30] <Ven]n> red, red, red, red, red, white, white, white, white, white
[11:31] <joaopinto> xapel, never heard about it
[11:31] <Ven]n> how can I find out whats not shutting down properly
[11:33] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[11:33] <Ven]n> nothing happens
[11:33] <vish> anyone using kubuntu here?
[11:34] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, can I specify something so Ill see text instead of the image?
[11:34] <Ken8521> vish, naa.. whats wrong?
[11:34] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: on boot, at grub, remove splash ?
[11:35] <Ken8521> well thats silly, kubuntu+1 is invite only
[11:35] <vish> Ken8521: could you mention the icon names used by the volume icons in Bug #566996
[11:35] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, you can't remove "splash"
[11:35] <Ken8521> vish, i dont even know what you're talking about... i don't use kde.
[11:35] <vish> Ken8521: there is /no/ kubuntu+1  , this channel is for all+1 variants ;)
[11:35] <Ken8521> was just curious what was wrong
[11:35] <vish> Ken8521: pff ;p
[11:35] <Ven]n> joaopinto, any suggestions then? :)
[11:35] <Ken8521> vish, well when i tried to enter it, it said it was invite only
[11:35] <joaopinto> Ven]n, try booting and shutting down in recovery mode
[11:35] <Ven]n> ok
[11:36] <vish> Ken8521: thats because you are logged in here.. if you quit this channel and try to enter K+1 it will redirect you here :)
[11:37] <Ken8521> hmm, not sure how that happened
[11:37] <Ven]n> joaopinto, should I login and everything?
[11:37] <Ven]n> oh well.. doing it
[11:37] <Ven]n> im at command line now
[11:37] <Ven]n> doing a sudo halt
[11:38] <Ven]n> acpi error: no installed handler for fixed event
[11:38] <Ven]n> 20100121/evevent-306
[11:38] <joaopinto> Ven]n, blocked ?
[11:39] <Ven]n> blocked?
[11:39] <joaopinto> I mean, did it shutdown ?
[11:39] <Ven]n> nah
[11:39] <Ven]n> last thing is that acpi error
[11:39] <joaopinto> well, try the booting with the "noacpi" option
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: $ubuntu-bug linux then
[11:39] <joaopinto> I guess you should file a bug report anyway
[11:40] <mrp> i just did some updates and reboot now when i boot into ubutu it locks up at the login screen and doesn't allow any input?
[11:41] <Ven]n> joaopinto, but it used to work
[11:41] <Ven]n> hehe
[11:42] <joaopinto> Ven]n, new kernel, new problems :P
[11:43] <Ven]n> http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/ubuntu-netbook-remix/18984-mini-9-ubuntu-remix-connectivity.html
[11:43] <Ven]n> seems to be same issue
[11:43] <Ven]n> hmm
[11:44] <Ven]n> hes using 9.10 on thumb drive on a dell mini 9, im using 10.04 on a thumb drive on a dell mini 9
[11:44] <Ven]n> :p
[11:46] <Ven]n> I added noacpi  to the last line of the normal boot. didnt change anything
[11:47] <duffydack> Ven]n,  is this with a mini 9 you are having problems?
[11:48] <Ven]n> yeh
[11:48] <Ken8521> don't those have realtek wireless?
[11:48] <sebsebseb> Hi
[11:48] <duffydack> Odd, I installed alpha3 and have had it on since.. works fine.
[11:48] <Ven]n> Ken8521, think most have broadcom
[11:48] <Ken8521> hmm.
[11:49] <Ken8521> my netbook has atheros, so i was just curious.
[11:49] <sweet> I would like to add a boot option to my grub2 menu  that launches only a console, I've googled it but haven't found a clear solution for my problem....
[11:49] <Ken8521> you'd think they would have put a wireless device in them(if they come stock w/ linux) that typically works out of the box..
[11:49] <duffydack> most dells ive seen are broadcoms.. i have 3, all bcm
[11:50] <Ken8521> duffydack, are they hard to get working? i know they used to be
[11:50] <Ven]n> hmm, I tried a halt in recovery mode of the 2.6.32-21 kernel now, it stops at "modem-manager: caught signal 15, shutting down"
[11:50] <Ven]n> that kernel wont shutdown either
[11:50] <Ven]n> im pretty sure both shut down properly yesterday :p
[11:50] <duffydack> Ken8521, the mini9 came with 8.04 (dells custom) and i put every ubuntu version since on it, all easy with wifi..
[11:51] <Ven]n> Ken8521, you can use the STA driver for wifi without issues
[11:51] <Ken8521> hm, cool
[11:51] <Ven]n> but STA doesnt support monitor mode
[11:51] <Ken8521> STA?
[11:52] <Ven]n> some proprietary driver
[11:53] <Ken8521> oh
[11:58] <Ven]n> joaopinto, removing splash and quiet removed the splash btw
[12:00] <sweet> I would like to add a boot option to my grub2 menu  that launches only a console, I've googled it but haven't found a clear solution for my problem... anyone?
[12:01] <Ken8521> sweet, well even to launch a console, it has to build the OS
[12:02] <Ken8521> otherwise, your console will be about as useful as a blinking cursor
[12:02] <sweet> Ken8521: I know but it shouldn't launch xorg...
[12:03] <sweet> Ken8521: I need a clean boot option without graphics, networkmanager, ...
[12:04] <Ven]n> joaopinto, uhm, reboot works, shutdown does not
[12:05] <Ken8521> sweet, hmm, seems plausible, but i dunno how
[12:06] <PatrickDK> you just need to edit /etc/init/gdm I would think
[12:06] <PatrickDK> to not run at a certain runlevel
[12:06] <PatrickDK> and boot into that runlevel for console only
[12:07] <mungojerry> sweet, you need to boot to runlevel3
[12:07] <mungojerry> which doesn't run X
[12:07] <sweet> mungojerry: any idea how to add this option to grub2?
[12:07] <yofel> mungojerry: that doesn't work anymore, and RL 2-5 are the same for ubuntu anyway
[12:09] <mungojerry> really, i thought that add 3 to the end  linux /boot/vmlinuz line
[12:10] <mungojerry> yofel, that is confusing!
[12:10] <yofel> well, some distributions had a X-less RL3, but for Ubuntu 2-5 were always identical
[12:10] <yofel> now that we use upstart it's different again
[12:10] <mungojerry> :(
[12:11] <yofel> I know, upstart isn't very well documented yet, more workhours went into development
[12:14] <sweet> mungojerry: can you help me out to add boot option to runlevel 3?
[12:15] <mungojerry> sweet, yofel has pointed out there were some changes with upstart, i thought it was still the same as redhat distros, so i don't know, i'm afraid
[12:17] <yofel> I asked in -devel, maybe they know more
[12:18] <dwhite> I'm running Lucid on a Dell Laptop - last night after updating, it's battery ran down and it shut off - after starting it back up it will not connect to the network - ifconfig just shows the loopback - when I boot the same machine to windows it finds the network no problem - any Idea how to get eth0 back?
[12:18] <peterson> Hello
[12:18] <judgen> ööh, where do i find /etc/modprobe.d/aliases nowdays? Or is there and simple way of disabling ipv6?
[12:19] <peterson> can i give my feedback here?
[12:19] <yofel> peterson: depends on what, we can give you support if you have issues, but this is not the right place to report issues to the developers
[12:19] <iconmefisto> can't you just add the word text to kernel line?
[12:20] <peterson> Hi any developers here?
[12:20] <yofel> peterson: what's your issue anyway?
[12:20] <judgen> iconmefisto: oh yeah forgot that part, thanks.
[12:21] <yofel> peterson: some are here yes, but I doubt they will just answer you if you call them
[12:21] <yofel> gone...
[12:23] <yofel> hm, giving the runlevel on the kernel line seems to still work even with upstart
[12:24] <yofel> at least /etc/init/rc-sysvinit.conf looks there for a custom runlevel
[12:25] <mungojerry> yofel, does init 3 still give console only?
[12:25] <mungojerry> or requires some customising?
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> i dudent think init 3 did the console only - for  quite some time....
[12:27] <yofel> mungojerry: no, as I said, ubuntu never configured it like that
[12:29] <yofel> mungojerry: from -devel: <cjwatson> yofel: on Debian-based systems, runlevels 2, 3, 4, and 5 are identical by default, and left to the sysadmin to customise; in particular runlevel 3 does not mean "boot without graphics" by default
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> You could tweak the /etc/init/gdm.conf file i guess to make it not start on runlevel 3 if you wanted.
[12:31] <yofel> yep, hope they make that easier at some point (for 12.04 maybe...)
[12:32] <joaopinto> there is no console mode right now, except for the recovery console option
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> It would probrly break plymouth.. so they cant do it.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what 'recovery' console does thats different.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> other then not starting gdm/kdm/whateverdm
[12:32] <alvin> Single user mode
[12:33] <yofel> single user mode with root shell without need of password, that's different than a X-less login
[12:33] <alvin> I didn't follow the discussion. Don't tell me they broke that? Recovery mode can come in handy sometimes.
[12:33] <yofel> alvin: they did not, we were discussion if X-less runlevel 3 would be possible
[12:33] <yofel> *discussing
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Yes - but is it actually stoping other services? or just stopping gdm, and doing  a root terminal?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive never compared whats started in recovery mode. vs  normal (no gdm) mode.
[12:35] <alvin> Hmm, like the good days where you logged into your system and only started X (startx) when you needed it.
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> yep
[12:35] <balachmar> Hi, I get the following errors when installing a few (3) packages: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly_0.10.14-1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/ca/LC_MESSAGES', which is also in package debconf-i18n 0
[12:36] <balachmar> Does anybody know what can cause this?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> the 2 packages are both conatining the same file.. which is a little odd.
[12:42] <balachmar> Dr_Willis, yeas I assumed as much, could you maybe verify this on your machine? Then I will file a bug.
[12:42] <yofel> balachmar: do you have a custom debconf package?
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> I just updated/upgraded and dident have that problem.
[12:42] <joaopinto> alvin, recovery mdoe does not start X
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> im on 64bit also.
[12:43] <yofel> balachmar: I'm on i386 but I have both packages installed here already fine...
[12:43] <yofel> and the gstreamer package has the same version as you have
[12:43] <yofel> what's your debconf-i18n version?
[12:49] <balachmar> yofel: I didn't change anything myself to the debconf package, so it shouldn't be custom right
[12:49] <yofel> odd
[12:50] <balachmar> will check the versions in a moment
[12:52] <balachmar> plugins-ugly : 0.10.18-1ubuntu1 and debconf-i18n : 1.5.28ubuntu4
[12:52] <balachmar> also using i386
[12:54] <hemanth> anyone here playing with fglrx ?
[12:55] <Lademord> Hey all, lucid was working fine yesterday, but today some 'notification applets' or something (including the network manager) crash on startup, which leaves me unable to connect to the internet. I needed to boot Win7 in order to just get in here
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Lademord:  Hmm. No issues like that here..  Doing updates now..
[12:57] <Lademord> hmm.. now that I think about it, maybe the no-internet-connection issue was related to my router freezing... But in any case, stuff in the notification area still breaks, and for some reason the theme (metacity, folder look etc.) keeps reverting back to the old, grey GNOME look
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Try making a new user - see if it affects them also.
[12:59] <Lademord> I'll try that, thanks
[13:07] <c0vert> is it a known issue when i close my lid on my laptop it can't recover?
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> c0vert:  i got idnetical issue on my netbook
[13:07] <oneirosFade> c0vert:  You has swap?
[13:07] <oneirosFade> Appropriate swap, that is
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> I set mine to just turn off the light. and it still crashes/locks up hard
[13:08] <c0vert> i let ubuntu do its thing, it seems to be large enough
[13:08] <JSund> c0vert: what is your setting for closing the lid - suspend to ram?
[13:08] <oneirosFade> I have an issue where when I unplug or plug back in, it locks the desktop, then when I put in the pass to unlock it, it goes into sleep mode
[13:08] <c0vert> suspend, yes
[13:08] <oneirosFade> Only just now thought of it
[13:09] <JSund> does suspend to ram work if you don't close the lid?
[13:09] <JSund> what model do you have? some computers have known problems with suspend to ram
[13:09] <c0vert> it's an amd64
[13:11] <JSund> what model is the entire computer? there are usually other parts that affects the ability to suspend to ram
[13:11] <c0vert> acer 5535-6280
[13:12] <om26er> which command will show me all the boot messages
[13:13] <c0vert> it would work fine on previous versions of ubuntu. unless it was hibernating and not suspending by default
[13:14] <JSund> c0vert: according to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/acerAspire5535 it seems as if it doesn't work
[13:16] <c0vert> jdobrien,  that's weird because it worked in 9.* unless like i said it was set to hibernate by default?
[13:17] <c0vert> JSund even
[13:18] <BlaDe^> hi since updating to lucid my wireless doesn't work. it always drops connection
[13:19] <BlaDe^> the only way to get it back Is a shutdown and reboot. just restartin doesn't fix it
[13:19] <BlaDe^> in the kernel log it days ath5k phy0 gain calibration timeout and spans it on different frequencies
[13:20] <JSund> c0vert: strange... unfortunately, I can't recall where I found troubleshooting guides for suspend issues
[13:20] <c0vert> BlaDe^, you can't fix it with ifconfig or iwconfig?
[13:21] <BlaDe^> negative even ifup and ifdown or modrem and modproe didn't fix it
[13:21] <BlaDe^> I came here a few days that's what was suggested
[13:22] <BlaDe^> also updated the backport wireless package
[13:22] <c0vert> hmm, using the native driver?
[13:22] <BlaDe^> yeah
[13:22] <BlaDe^> on kar
[13:22] <c0vert> tried ndiswrapper to see if it works any better?
[13:23] <BlaDe^> on karmic it was all fine since updating it drops after like 15mins at best
[13:23] <BlaDe^> nope I haven't
[13:23] <BlaDe^> would you like to see the kernel log?
[13:23] <c0vert> not really, i wouldn't know what i'm looking at
[13:23] <BlaDe^> ok
[13:23] <c0vert> are you fully updated?
[13:24] <BlaDe^> up to a few days ago,
[13:24] <c0vert> 2.6.32-21?
[13:24] <BlaDe^> hard to update it keeps dropping
[13:25] <aphoid> Hey,  I'm trying to run 10.4 beta Netbook remix on a thinkpad X40.  If I install the 10.4b1 CD, it works (although the 3d launcher is slower than it was on alpha 3), but if I let Synaptic update, the screen goes blank on boot.
[13:26] <aphoid> It is unresponsive:  I can't use ctrl-alt-f1 (etc) to get to a command prompt.....
[13:26] <coz_> aphoid,  mm completely blank?
[13:26] <BlaDe^> c0vertt how do I check?
[13:26] <c0vert> BlaDe^, uname -a works
[13:27] <BlaDe^> yeah i'm on 2.6.32-21
[13:27] <aphoid> I see the boot process starting and the Ubuntu splash appears momentarily, but other than that, the screen is just black (not disabled:  I can see that the backlight is still on.
[13:27] <c0vert> well one thing on google says the guy disabled his wifi card in the bios, let ubuntu load up, shut down then reenabled and it fixed it
[13:28] <BlaDe^> for me?
[13:28] <c0vert> BlaDe^, yea
[13:28] <BlaDe^> ok I'll try that
[13:28] <aphoid> My wifi light does flicker for a bit, so I don't think the machine is completely dead, but it is unresponsive to keyboard/mouse.
[13:28] <c0vert> BlaDe^, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-947974.html it's here
[13:29] <BlaDe^> I'm on my iPhone ATM but Ill try to read it
[13:29] <c0vert> aphoid,  can't switch using alt-f1 f2 etc?
[13:29] <c0vert> BlaDe^, it doesnt matter just try it lol
[13:29] <jo-erlend> how do I upgrade ubuntu server to lucid? I have a vm I'd like to test.
[13:29] <h00k> if I were to look for ipv6 support, where would I check to make sure it's enabled on Lucid?
[13:30] <Pici> jo-erlend: do-release-upgrade -d
[13:30] <jpds> h00k: Enabled? It's always enabled by default.
[13:30] <c0vert> h00k,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6
[13:30] <h00k> jpds: that's what I thought
[13:30] <coz_> jo-erlend,  did you try   sudo update-manager -d
[13:31] <aphoid> c0vert, nope.  Nothing.  The keyboard doesn't seem to do anything (capslock keys are unresponsive too.
[13:31] <c0vert> aphoid,  can you boot in to failsafe?
[13:31] <BlaDe^> c0vert I don't think my bios supports disabling f hardware
[13:31] <aphoid> I don't have a grub menu.  is there a way to force one to appear on boot?
[13:32] <c0vert> good question, i've never had to try
[13:32] <c0vert> BlaDe^, that's weird..
[13:32] <aphoid> It normally just boots straight to the launcher.  (I have an SSD, so it normally takes only about 20 seconds to cycle.....
[13:32] <BlaDe^> I set network boot to off that's the only thing which mat
[13:33] <BlaDe^> may do it*
[13:33] <sab> i was trying to delete some thing from my home folder but i cant,i got a crash prog??what happened?i m a new user can anyone please help me?
[13:34] <c0vert> BlaDe^, that's a totally different thing
[13:34] <sab> again before starting my ubuntu it was giving me some msg like "broken file;can not be wirte"
[13:35] <yofel> aphoid: you can show the grub menu by holding left shift pressed after the bios screen
[13:35] <BlaDe^> ah ok I figured as it didn't work
[13:35] <c0vert> BlaDe^, are you using the madwifi drivers?
[13:36] <mgj> I plan to upgrade to 10.04 as soon as its released, should i install 9.10 or the 10.04 beta2 ?
[13:37] <ToxinPowe> mgj: rc tomorrow
[13:37] <yofel> mgj: upgrade from where?
[13:37] <mgj> from a fresh install
[13:37] <h00k> Oh, Ubuntu Wallpapers Extras had an ititial release today
[13:38] <c0vert> fresh is key
[13:38] <h00k> oh, it looks like it's the ones that were in Karmic
[13:38] <mgj> hmm, i probably should wait till tomorrow
[13:38] <yofel> mgj: fresh install isn't an upgrade, and use a daily iso if you want to try it today
[13:38] <mgj> but if i install today.... 9.10 or 10.04 beta2 ?
[13:38] <ToxinPowe> rc tomorrow I'll choose :s
[13:38] <mgj> yofel: I mean, i want to upgrade the install to 10.04 asap
[13:38] <mgj> ToxinPowe: patience is not my strong side im afraid
[13:39] <yofel> mgj: yes, try a daily iso and if you have issues with it use 9.10
[13:39] <yofel> there won't be much of a change between todays daily and the rc tomorrow
[13:39] <micha_> Hi, is there a technical cause for libgl1-mesa-dri to depend on libdrm-radeon1 ?
[13:39] <mgj> Alright, thanks.... Kindda surprised you recommend the daily iso instead of beta2 tho
[13:40] <yofel> mgj: a LOT has changed and been fixed since beta2
[13:40] <yofel> !daily
[13:40] <Dimmuxx> daily iso is release candidate/final more or less now
[13:41] <yofel> mgj: and todays daily builds are the candidate images for the rc tomorrow, they might be identical if they don't change anything
[13:41] <aphoid> leftshift does get me to the Grub menu, but now I'm getting some weird, unrelated to linux after holding down "shift" too early.
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: and a lot broken too :)
[13:41] <robin0800> yofel: seen no updates last two days
[13:41] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: not much for me, or do you mean gnome related?
[13:42] <BlaDe^> covert no ath5k I think
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: you lost your 'coma' bag? or are just word hungry?
[13:42] <BlaDe^> I havnt installed anything custom
[13:42] <mgj> yofel: i see
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> robin0800: same here
[13:42] <yofel> robin0800: there were some, but only stuff that not many people use
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> other then daily ppas, I haven't got any updates
[13:43] <sab> before starting my ubuntu it was giving me some msg like "broken file;can not be wirte";i was trying to delete some thing from my home folder but i cant,i got a crash prog??what happened?i m a new user and using lucid; can anyone please help me?
[13:43] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: well, KDE still work fine here, takes a bit longer to login though
[13:43] <robin0800> yofel: daily is dated 19th !
[13:44] <yofel> robin0800: oh, you're right
[13:44] <charlie-tca> robin0800: because it is the pre-RC release being tested for tomorrows release
[13:45] <mgj> BUGabundo_remote: the daily iso has broken stuff in it, 1 day from becomming a release candidate? Thats cutting it kindda close. What kind of broken are we talking about?
[13:45] <zetheroo> is Lucid pretty good and ready?
[13:45] <robin0800> charlie-tca: might as well wait then
[13:45] <aphoid> Bios issue was apparently a self-test....  The Ubuntu issue appears to be kernel related.  If I use GRUB to do a normal boot into 2.6.32-20, it works fine, but if I do the same with 2.6.32-21, it exhibits the same lockup.
[13:45] <charlie-tca> or use it, because at this time, it doesn't look like it will change for the RC
[13:45] <yofel> sab: errr... huh? before starting would be when your pc was turned off, so *when* exactly? and can you give a bit more details what you got?
[13:47] <aphoid> If I "recovery" boot into 2.6.32-21 and then manually "startx" at the command-line, I get the same lockup.  I guess I'll uninstall the most recent kernel
[13:47] <dp_> I'm using lucid, and for the past 2 days, there've been no updates to packages via apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; is that right?
[13:48] <yofel> dp_: depends on what you're using but it's possible
[13:48] <dp_> just seems strange
[13:48] <yofel> not really, we're in pre-release freeze
[13:48] <dp_> usually come in in the mornings, and have ~50 package updates
[13:48] <dp_> ah
[13:48] <dp_> didn't know that
[13:49] <yofel> dp_: see the status field on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid
[13:50] <dp_> yofel: which means that only bug fixes will be allowed, right?
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> Yep - with a few exceptions perhaps.
[13:50] <yofel> yes
[13:51] <dp_> ok
[13:51] <hadoop> i want to delete a file from my home folder,but i cant,can any one please tell me how to do it?
[13:51] <dp_> makes much more sense now
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  check the ownership/permissions   to see why you cant.
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  then if needed use 'sudo rm filename'
[13:51] <dp_> yofel: has 11.x started?  I'd go to that ;)
[13:51] <yofel> dp_: see the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-April/date.html to see what was uploaded last
[13:51] <mgj> yofel: Im kind of worried about BUGabundo_remote's comment about the daily iso being broken compared to beta2. Something you can confirm/deny? I know its beta and all, but i still prefer "working" over "Shiny but broken"
[13:52] <aphoid> Where should I look for a log of a kernel panic or the like?
[13:52] <yofel> dp_: huh? not even 10.10 has been started yet as 10.04 isn't even out yet :P
[13:52] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, even i tried with sudo but its giving me this error,......hadoop is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[13:52] <dp_> yofel: well, isn't 10.10 still lucid?
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> a beta 2 install would need like another 500mb of updates to even be up to date. :)
[13:52] <mgj> Thats fine, i got broadband =P
[13:52] <dp_> or will it be m<something> ?
[13:52] <yofel> dp_: no, 10.10 is maverick meerkat
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  you need to use sudo as your admin user. the first user you made
[13:53] <dp_> yofel: ah.  so there aren't sources for maverick at all, right?
[13:53] <BlaDe^> c0vert still here?
[13:53] <c0vert> somewhat
[13:53] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, even i tried from admin user but i was unable!!and i got a crash programme !!
[13:53] <yofel> mgj: not that I know of, I haven't tested the iso lately, maybe you can get feedback in #ubuntu-testing
[13:53] <BlaDe^> http://pastebin.com/APF2pDmp <- that's a log from today
[13:53] <yofel> dp_: no, they will be created a few days after lucid is out
[13:53] <BlaDe^> http://pastebin.com/gNSCGKML <- that's a log from a few days ago when I came here trying to fix it
[13:53] <dp_> yofel: figured.  alrighty, thanks!
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  be more clear. If your admin user had that same error message.. then  it wasent the admin user..
[13:53] <c0vert> BlaDe^, try madwifi
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  what is the filename anyway?
[13:54] <BlaDe^> can I get that via apt?
[13:54] <BlaDe^> i did a search for it but was't there
[13:54] <c0vert> no idea i don't use that
[13:54] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, its hadoop
[13:54] <c0vert> BlaDe^, you can however try ndiswrapper though
[13:54] <BlaDe^> and how do I do that?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  so 'ls -l hadoop' shows what permissions/owner of the file?
[13:54] <duffydack> netbook remix installed since beta1, all updated, still getting plymouthd error after bootup. nothing bad happens, it just comes up in panel as an alert.
[13:54] <c0vert> BlaDe^, just google ndiswrapper ath5k
[13:55] <hadoop> Dr_Willis,-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44575568 2010-04-21 13:51 hadoop-0.20.2.tar.gz
[13:55] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, i m novice user dont know that much
[13:55] <mgj> yofel: Will try, thank you
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> mgj: I never said such a thing. please re-frame from assuming I said anything like that. I consider it ofensive! :(
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  so 'sudo rm hadoop-0.20.2.tar.gz' should remove it.. if hadoop is the sudo rights user.
[13:56] <mgj> BUGabundo_remote: dont lie, "BUGabundo_remote: yofel: and a lot broken too :)"
[13:56] <jo-erlend> Pici, thanks. I got disconnected, but that worked.
[13:57] <yofel> mgj: well, *I* didn't notice much of that, but I use Kubuntu too, so I don't notice any gnome related breakage
[13:57] <yofel> mgj: we did have a few issues since beta2 indeed, but most of that was fixed
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> mgj: no where in there I refer to daily iso!
[13:57] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, i am getting some weired msg before starting ;like before starting ubuntu its giving me "broken file;can not write"
[13:58] <BlaDe^> hadoop I get that too
[13:58] <BlaDe^> broken pipe I think it says
[13:58] <mgj> BUGabundo_remote: Then you misread something. Im sorry, did not realize that. It was a direct response to "A lot have been changed from the beta2 to the daily iso".
[13:58] <hadoop> BlaDe^, whats that?
[13:58] <BlaDe^> not sure
[13:58] <om26er> Why is my swap memory in use (so much)?
[13:58] <mgj> yofel: Yeah i could imagine. I basicly just want an installer that works without too many problems. Can always upgrade to the newer and better once the system is installed
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> $ free
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Mem:       4060216    4005308      54908          0     172200    2132936
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Swap:      4883752       4036    4879716
[13:59] <om26er> The netbook have 1gig ram consumes ram is 353 and consumes swap memory is 900
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: I don't see much use
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> memory leak somewhere?
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: what does atop 'm' say?
[13:59] <mgj> damn.... my laptop with 256mb ram doesnt even use that much swap
[14:00] <patdk-wk> consumed swap is 4megs :)
[14:00] <mgj> patdk-wk: talking about om26er's 900mb swap usage
[14:00] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, what is that?
[14:00] <patdk-wk> oh hehe I just realized that was bug's post :)
[14:01] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't have swap usage
[14:01]  * duffydack boots lucid cd, chooses usbstick as install device, thinking is it really that simple
[14:01] <patdk-wk> I did some lucid-server pxe netboot installs last night, they went good
[14:02] <patdk-wk> much much faster than older pxe netboot's
[14:03] <om26er> the used swap is increasing rapidly now its 1GB
[14:03] <patdk-wk> well, what program is causing that?
[14:04] <om26er> not sure, just closed all running programs
[14:05] <patdk-wk> I have always had firefox chew though ram, have seen it using >12gigs a few weeks ago
[14:05] <mgj> =O
[14:05] <viliny> patdk-wk: thats impressive
[14:05] <patdk-wk> well, 8gigs ram in this machine, and 8gigs swap
[14:05] <patdk-wk> normally only 3gigs ram in use
[14:05] <mgj> 200 tabs of youtube or what?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> no, only 8 tabs
[14:05] <patdk-wk> no youtube
[14:05] <patdk-wk> in fact, no flash tabs open :)
[14:06] <viliny> mine maxes out at 300mb usage
[14:06] <jakexks> om26er, something is obviously leaking memory
[14:06]  * om26er kills X
[14:06] <om26er> brb
[14:06] <patdk-wk> viliny, mine normally sits around 300megs, but after a week or so, goes to 1-2gig
[14:06] <patdk-wk> but I haven't seen it climb >3gig before
[14:07] <patdk-wk> I restarted firefox yesterday, currently at 224megs
[14:08] <om26er> and now back to normal
[14:09] <om26er> Previously I was having a problem which came after beta1 where my hard drive acted mad. Today I installed Lucid with swap so now I know what the problem is :)
[14:09] <patdk-wk> heh, I has having all kinds of odd isues last night :)
[14:09] <patdk-wk> come to find out my scsi cable was bad :(
[14:16] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:20]  * glance just hates that mountall daemon....
[14:21] <joaopinto> glance, mountall is not a daemon, it's an utility :)
[14:21] <glance> mountall --daemon <- thats a daemon.
[14:21] <joaopinto> and you better love him :)
[14:22] <alvin> needs some holy water
[14:22] <joaopinto> no it's no, it will not turn into a "debug" when you use --debug :)
[14:22] <joaopinto> not
[14:23] <glance> for some darn reason, mountall never emits the signal filesystem ...
[14:23] <glance> and do i have any way of logging in to the machine before that?
[14:24] <glance> of corse not.
[14:24] <joaopinto> glance, is it blocking boot ?
[14:24] <glance> jupp
[14:24] <joaopinto> there is a bug reported about that
[14:24] <joaopinto> anyway you may be interested in: http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2010/04/when-recovery-mode-fails-to-boot.html
[14:25] <joaopinto> let me check the bug br, it does emit because its prompting on a mount error
[14:25] <joaopinto> but you can't see it because plymouth did not start yet
[14:25] <joaopinto> and plymouth is waiting for mountall :D
[14:25] <glance> i know how to break into a machine...
[14:26] <joaopinto> you are most likely getting bug 507881
[14:27] <joaopinto> which should be fixed post RC freeze
[14:27] <glance> http://img441.imageshack.us/i/mountall.png/
[14:27] <glance> there it hangs
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> im scared we will be seeing plymouth updates uptill release day :)
[14:28] <joaopinto> glance, right now it hangs on any fs related error during mounts which happens too quick
[14:29] <BluesKaj> no updates for 2days here , Dr_Willis , and medibuntu seems to be down , still.
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> i got a mirror for that. :)
[14:29] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, I am scared with plymouth/mountall on the LTS, but let's trust the developers :)
[14:29] <alvin> or bug 563916
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, care to share the mirror ?
[14:30] <alvin> Hmm, there's also no message about what goes wrong. It's not only the [S]kip and [M]anual. The missing filesystem is also missing.
[14:31] <alvin> No idea why it's called 'mountall'. before mountall, I had more mounted filesystems.
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> was on a webupd8.com artical on the newsa feeds
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[14:36] <Urda> is there a way to prevent 10.04 from automouting my Windows Partitions? I don't care to use them in ubuntu and I don't want to seem them :\
[14:36] <joaopinto> Urda, are they configured on /etc/fstab ?
[14:37] <Urda> joaopinto: nope, just my linux partition and swap
[14:38] <joaopinto> hum, right i have no idea, but it' also mounting for me
[14:38] <Urda> joaopinto: and since those are ext4 and swap ... Windows can't seem them no matter what so all good there. But Ubuntu shows "Windows 7" my main part, and System Reserved the windows special part
[14:38] <Urda> . /media/Windows 7/ and /media/System Reserved/
[14:39] <Guest29868> Hi all
[14:39] <Guest29868> How do you calibrate a touch screen in 10?
[14:41] <judgen> How do i get the rhythmbox system tray icon to work?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, thanks for the mirror, but why the separate medibuntu.list ?
[14:49] <joaopinto> it's a good practice to keep repositories on their own .list
[14:49] <BluesKaj> I just added the debs to the sources.list after getting the key
[14:49] <BluesKaj> good practice , how ?
[14:50] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, because you have configuration fragments instead of a huge messed up list :) ?
[14:51] <judgen> where is the setting to get rhythmbox into the systray?
[14:52] <glance> hmm...
[14:52] <Guest29868> I have my touch screen working on ubuntu 10.4 but its been detected inverted the up and down and left and right and vice versa is there anyway to fix this?
[14:52] <glance> somethimes mountall doesn't mount all systems in fstab
[14:53] <glance> ex. now i have a boot with mountall -v , and one filesystem isn't mounted.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> what's messed up about all the sources in one list . joaopinto ?
[14:54] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, sources are easier to manage if they are kept on their own group files
[14:54] <joaopinto> keeping the sources.list only for the official repositories
[14:55] <BluesKaj> manage by who ... i prefer to manage them in one list but , to each his own I guess
[14:55] <joaopinto> right, good practice does not mean everybody must follow it, it means it is recommended for most people
[14:56] <joaopinto> there is a lof of people ignoring best practices :)
[14:58] <atila> can anyone redirect me to some info about adding/replacing a networkcard/driver.. using nvidias on ubuntu 10.04(im a complete beginner @ linux)
[14:58] <judgen> joaopinto, I also prefer to have them in one file, so i dont have to edit alot of files when altering my lists in cli.
[14:59] <yofel> atila: NETWORK card from nvidia o.O?
[14:59] <judgen> yofel, probably the realtek chipset found in the nvidia mcp's.
[14:59] <yofel> hm, didn't know about them
[14:59] <judgen> yofel, its just a realtek network card anyways.
[14:59] <yofel> glance: and *which* filesystem isn't mounted now
[15:00] <duffy> I need to ssh into a box, but its a wireless network and only connects wirelessly when logged into a session, i want it to connect without being logged in ?
[15:00] <glance> it mounts all of them exept one.
[15:00] <glance> we have a /lap with all our localy compiled software , that lives on a separate lv
[15:00] <yofel> well ok, and what's that one? we have issues with usbfs and vboxfs and possibly others at the moment
[15:01] <glance> xfs
[15:01] <yofel> ah
[15:01] <joaopinto> glance, does it mount from an sulogin prompt ?
[15:01] <glance> i have hacked tty6.conf to start the getty earlier, and when i just issue mount /lap it mounts it, and all the signals propagate and the boot continues
[15:03] <joaopinto> glance, hum, that is odd, and seems to be a new problem, make sure you file a bug report
[15:03] <glance> in the output from mountall -v --daemon i can find that it figures out that "/lap is local"
[15:03] <glance> but i can't see any traces that it fsck's it and tries to mount it
[15:04] <glance> http://pastebin.com/NVWXUS7Y <- boot.log
[15:06] <joaopinto>  /lap is being skipped on the mountall loop, there must be a bug there
[15:08] <joaopinto> glance, the bug report would really help :)
[15:08] <mikebeecham> is there a general preference whether KDE is 'better' than gnome?  I know that better is a difficult term to define...is it just a case of overall aesthetic, or do the different distros do different things?
[15:09] <joaopinto> glance, try mountall --debug
[15:10] <BluesKaj> mikebeecham, they are the same distro , but use different desktop environments
[15:10] <BluesKaj> !desktop
[15:10] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: so it would be just down to plain taste for what the end  user 'sees'
[15:10] <Pici> Yes.
[15:10] <mgj> I was trying to help a friend over the phone the other day. He wanted to make a backup of his ntfs drive. He got it mounted, he could copy files from it - awesome. However, he got "permission denied" when trying to copy any files from the "Documents and Settings" folder. This seems very, very strange to me, anyone have any ideas? And btw, sudo did not solve it
[15:11] <mikebeecham> i'm tempted somewhat by KDE at the moment, as a designer I appreciate the aesthetic...but not sure if it's worth the jump from gnome
[15:11] <mgj> mikebeecham: can't know without trying =)
[15:11] <BigRedS_> mgi, NTFS restrictions? AIU, the protected homedirs in Windows is implemented in the filesystem
[15:11] <joaopinto> glance, your manual mount was after mountall was completed
[15:11] <mikebeecham> mgj: true
[15:11] <mgj> i personally prefer fluxbox/gnome over kde, but im no designer
[15:11] <mikebeecham> mind you, I've not found ANY nice KDE themes as yet
[15:11] <BigRedS_> mgi, though I thought the ntfs modules ignored/got round it
[15:12] <mikebeecham> and I've tried on kde-look and deviantart
[15:12] <BluesKaj> mikebeecham, not exactly , there are some different apps that do similar jobs and both desktop share some apps , but they just look different .I 've tried both , but i prefer kde
[15:12] <glance> joaopinto: im trying to trigger it with --debug now...
[15:12] <glance> joaopinto: yes.
[15:12] <mgj> BigRedS_: AIU.... will need to look into that. Yeah, i thought ntfs-3g didnt care what settings windows might've set either
[15:12] <glance> joaopinto: or, still running
[15:12] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: interesting...not sure yet what to do
[15:12] <mgj> BigRedS_: but apparently not, which surprised me and i could not help him =/
[15:12] <mikebeecham> I guess with Lucid I can download the KDE desktop and boot into either at login
[15:12] <BluesKaj> mikebeecham, what are on now. gnome ?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> are you on ?
[15:13] <BigRedS_> mgj, AIU = As I Understand
[15:13] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: gnome...have been since I migrated to Linux complete
[15:13] <mgj> oh lol, thought it was a mechanism windows used for permissions on ntfs partitions =S
[15:14] <mgj> mikebeecham: you can do that in 9.10 as well
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ok mikebeecham . whynot install kubuntu-desktop , then you can choose which one at the login
[15:14] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: yeah
[15:14] <BluesKaj> one can run both gnome and kde side by side
[15:14] <mikebeecham> mind you..again, if there are no themes that will please my eye it could be a bit of a wasted journey!
[15:15] <glance> joaopinto: triggerd the same bug but with another filesystem.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> no fun if you don't try :)
[15:15] <mgj> mikebeecham: nothing is ever wasted. At least you will probably learn something =)
[15:15] <mikebeecham> mgj: true
[15:16] <mgj> a bit of a stretch to call it a jouney tho..... aptitude install kubuntu-desktop -> log in using KDE session -> try it out..... =)
[15:16] <mikebeecham> going for it!
[15:16] <atila> yofel.. sry for my afk.. but yes.. its seems to be an onboard nforce card from nvidia on my hp 6140.se
[15:16] <mikebeecham> mgj...just gone for "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[15:16] <mgj> should be fine
[15:16] <mikebeecham> cool
[15:17] <mikebeecham> are there any good themes sites, apart from the two I mentioned earlier?
[15:17] <mikebeecham> or are they the main two?
[15:18] <mgj> doesnt gnome/kde have a built-in theme downloader these days?
[15:18] <duffy> is it iface eth1 inet (auto or dhcp) for dhcp?
[15:18] <mikebeecham> mgj, not sure
[15:18] <mgj> the auto keyword just enables it at boot afaik
[15:19] <mgj> mikebeecham: me neither
[15:19] <atila> can anyone redirect me to some info about adding/replacing a networkcard/driver.. using nvidias on ubuntu 10.04(im a complete beginner @ linux)
[15:19] <atila> sorry for the repeat.. but i was force to an afk
[15:19] <atila> forced*
[15:20] <hypatia> atila: you should mostly just need to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the console after you reboot
[15:20] <hypatia> and then if oyu want to install the proprietary drivers, do it in the gui
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hypatia, it's anetwork card not graphics
[15:21] <BluesKaj> atila, is your computer a laptop ?
[15:21] <atila> nah.. desktop
[15:21] <atila> hp 6140.sc(swedish)
[15:21] <hypatia> BluesKaj: haha, oops, i saw nvidia and it overwrote network card in my mind :)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> atila, run lspci in the terminal , look for network controller or some such
[15:23] <atila> says "Atheros Communications Inc. AR5413 802.11abg NIC"
[15:23] <joaopinto> glance, I am looking at mounall source code, nodev devices are supposed to have a "nobootwait" behavior
[15:24] <atila> but the thing is that, it doesnt work
[15:24] <joaopinto> but I assume an attempt tomount should be made
[15:24] <atila> wireless works with no probs
[15:24] <atila> when it comes to terminal-stuff.. im sooo lost
[15:25] <BluesKaj> atila, how are you connected to the internet with the hp 6140 ?
[15:25] <atila> wirless card works fine
[15:25] <atila> its just the eth0 thats messed up
[15:25] <atila> i get an ip number.. but thats it
[15:26] <atila> and im not connected with my eth0 to any router
[15:26] <Ken8521> lol, now there's a change of pace, wireless works, but eth0 doesn't..lol
[15:26] <atila> i know.. wierd
[15:26] <BluesKaj> atila, the eth0 is set up in your /etc/network/interfaces , check out what's listed there
[15:27] <atila> but i guess its a cheap crap card hp choose to use
[15:28] <atila> cant even find that dire
[15:28] <atila> dir*
[15:28] <BluesKaj> heh, I have the opposite problem , my belkin usb card won't connect with any of the network managers available
[15:28] <atila> interface doesnt exist o.0
[15:28] <BluesKaj> atila, alt+f2
[15:29] <atila> auto lo
[15:29] <atila> iface lo inet loopback
[15:29] <BluesKaj> atila, then in the terminal run , sudo dhclient eth0
[15:30] <glance> joaopinto: mountall is still running when i issued the "fixing" mount-cmd
[15:31] <atila> anything i should look for?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> atila, now run  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:32] <joaopinto> hum
[15:32] <BluesKaj> atila, any output ?
[15:33] <glance> joaopinto: found something this time. the last status before it hangs is that it waits in a "try_mount: /lap waiting for device"
[15:33] <shadeslayer> is anyone using KDE+Gnome in lucid?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> both on the same machine.... how is the compatibility?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> like does gksu pop up instead of kdesudo dialogs in kde,etc
[15:34] <joaopinto> glance, which does not match with the source comments, it was not supposed to wait for the device :)
[15:34] <glance> nodev is a filesystem option, not a device-option...
[15:34] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I ran both for a while ,but it became a bit busy ., dupe apps etc
[15:34] <glance> it means that , "this device can't contain block or char files"
[15:35] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: eh?
[15:35] <joaopinto> glance, right, but which per the comments on the source is treated as "don't wait for the device to be available"
[15:35] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: like 1 app has 2 menu entries?
[15:36]  * glance just shakes his head
[15:36] <BluesKaj> well 2 apps that do the same thing , I guess
[15:36]  * shadeslayer likes the twitter integration with the top bar...
[15:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: oh.. i can handle that...
[15:36] <joaopinto> unless I am reading the source wrong :P
[15:36] <BluesKaj> twitter...bah humbug
[15:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: any way to confine KDE apps to KDE and gnome apps to gnome?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hehe
[15:37] <BluesKaj> dunno shadeslayer , wish i knew
[15:37] <Ken8521> shadeslayer, i think there is, but i'm not 100%
[15:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:37] <Ken8521> i wish i was sure, cuz that is one thing i hate, is the mixing of the two OS's.
[15:37] <joaopinto> erm, wait, there is a nodev from cat /proc/filesystems
[15:37] <joaopinto> which is not related to the nodev on fstab
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Ken8521, they are the same OS, just diff desktops
[15:38] <Ken8521> i wanna try kubuntu 10.04, but i typically despisde KDE, so i don't want to leave it intertwined w/ gnome
[15:38] <Ken8521> BluesKaj, i'm aware of that
[15:38] <Yahweh> shadeslayer, there's very few kde or gnome apps, there's a lot of Qt and GTK apps, KDE is made in Qt, gnome is made in GTK, GTK apps can run in KDE, Qt apps can run in gnome
[15:38] <Ken8521> ok, mixing of the two desktops then
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: i know...
[15:38] <thiebaude> :)
[15:38] <haavaros> Hi! Is the x11 record extension fixed in 10?
[15:39] <Ken8521> x11 record extension?...lol, thts one i never heard of
[15:39] <BluesKaj> I don't mean to be picky Ken8521 , but you're the 2nd person to say that today...don't wanna confuse the newppl
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: what im asking is,is it possible to seprate the two? confine Qt to gnome and GTK to gnome
[15:39] <Yahweh> why?
[15:39] <Ken8521> Yahweh, ?.. you have to ask?
[15:39] <thiebaude> Ken8521, im going to try ubuntu studio 10.04 beta 2 to see if it fixes my problem
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: ive been down the kde gnome mix up lane... its horrible
[15:40] <Ken8521> i agree w/ shadeslayer i'd love to be able to "separate" the two.
[15:40] <Yahweh> shadeslayer, they operate independent of each other
[15:40] <Ken8521> thiebaude, hmm, i doubt it will what makes you think it will?
[15:40] <Yahweh> you don't have to have KDE installed to have qt apps
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: i understand,but i want to seprate them :P
[15:40] <Yahweh> shadeslayer, they're already separated
[15:40] <judgen> shadeslayer, you could set the kde application path to something else or you could install 3 different partitions with the system on them, and then have the /home one a third partition.
[15:41] <thiebaude> i'll try and see what happens
[15:41] <shadeslayer> judgen: bah...
[15:41] <Ken8521> Yahweh, are you just playing dumb?.. surely you can understand what he's saying
[15:41] <thiebaude> lol
[15:41] <Yahweh> Ken8521, No, I do not understand
[15:41] <Ken8521> Yahweh, when you install KDE "beside" Gnome... all the KDE apps, get put into yoru gnome, likewise if you install Gnome beside KDE.
[15:41] <Ken8521> he wants them separated
[15:41] <Yahweh> oh, then it's a piss poor description of his issue
[15:42] <Ken8521> Yahweh, not really, i understood him perfectly
[15:42] <Yahweh> the apps are no different
[15:42] <Yahweh> it's just some use Qt, some use GTK
[15:42] <Yahweh> why should they be separate?
[15:42] <Ken8521> Yahweh, you still don't get it
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: because Qt apps dont go well with GTK themes
[15:42] <Yahweh> why would a Qt app use GTK themes?
[15:42] <thiebaude> thats for sure
[15:42] <shadeslayer> they simply look horrible
[15:42] <thiebaude> shade
[15:42] <thiebaude> lol
[15:43] <Ken8521> Yahweh, when he installs KDE... it's gonna put a crapload of apps in his Gnome menu, or if he installs Gnome, its gonna put a ton of crap in his KDE menu
[15:43] <judgen> shadeslayer, afaik there is gtk-qt and qgtk to remedy that if its just the looks-
[15:43] <Ken8521> that annoys me, more than the themeing issue
[15:43] <judgen> and the menus can be set to different paths.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> judgen: yeah i have qtcurve etc to correct that,but it still looks out of place...
[15:43] <judgen> ok
[15:43] <Ken8521> my Gnome menu goes from being a small, organized menu, to a 5 column mess
[15:44] <shadeslayer> judgen: a natural example would be open office in KDE and gnome
[15:44] <Yahweh> don't install big metapackages then
[15:44] <Yahweh> problem solved
[15:44] <Ken8521> lol
[15:44] <shadeslayer> judgen: kubuntu actually uses a open office kde theme to make it look integrated.. and yet it looks messy
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yup , that's whay I went with one desktop, themes aren't that important to me , and prefer the kde "look" to thegnome  "cartooney thing". :)
[15:45] <Ken8521> Yahweh, have you ever installed KDE on a Gnome system?
[15:45] <Yahweh> yeah
[15:45] <Yahweh> for nearly a decade now
[15:45] <Ken8521> ok.. then for whatever reason, either you're being intentionally dense, or something... you're not seeing what shades is saying.
[15:45] <Yahweh> this entire 'we call ubuntu with KDE kubuntu' thing is new to me
[15:45] <joaopinto> glance, you are right, I was confusing /proc/filesystems "nodev" with the mount "nodev " option
[15:45] <Ken8521> BluesKaj, but kde just always feel like i'm runnimng through water
[15:46] <iconmefisto> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty  it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[15:46] <Ken8521> thiebaude, what makes you think ubuntu studio is going to fix your shutdown issue.. it hink they are the same kernel
[15:46] <judgen> Ken8521, what particular kde apps do you use that you prefer over the gnome equivalents?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Ken8521, slow ?
[15:47] <thiebaude> i dont really know Ken8521 , but i think i will just go ahead and use studio
[15:47] <shadeslayer> screenshot time :P : http://imagebin.ca/view/kk522d4q.html
[15:47] <Ken8521> judgen, k3b, ktorrent, thats all i can think of at the moment, but there's a couple
[15:47] <shadeslayer> now look carefully,the arrows in OOo on the right and koffice on the left
[15:47] <Ken8521> thiebaude, never cared for studio personally.. have you looked at Mint?
[15:47] <judgen> Ken8521, you dont like transmission or brasero or even nero burning rom?
[15:48] <thiebaude> yes, i do like mint alot
[15:48] <thiebaude> mint 8
[15:48] <Ken8521> judgen, i hate, HATE brasero.. transmission doesn't bother me... actually here lately i've used it more than ktorrent
[15:48] <Ken8521> thiebaude, mint is solid.
[15:48] <shadeslayer> the windeco and the file,edit,etc menus in OOo and koffice... koffice blends in perfectly....
[15:48] <thiebaude> yes it is
[15:48] <thiebaude> out of the box ready to go
[15:49] <Ken8521> judgen, i don't like nero, i like Gnomebaker, its pretty good.. frankly i can't understand why they put brasero as the burner, over Gnomebaker, but go figure
[15:49] <judgen> Ken8521, ahead had a pretty nice price for Nero Linux 4. But ofcourse that "not free" thingie might get people turned off.
[15:49] <thiebaude> i like brasero alot
[15:49] <thiebaude> been using it a long time
[15:49] <Ken8521> thiebaude, only thing I don't like, is the "default" menu system.... but thats easily remedied in about 20sec... so i don't sweat it
[15:50] <thiebaude> yes it is, i changed it before to an ubuntu menu
[15:50] <Ken8521> judgen, i wouldn't have a prob paying for software, although i admit I've gotten spoiled the last few years by just being open up a package manager and download software i need.
[15:50] <Ken8521> thiebaude, thats honestly, the only thing i can think that i don't like about mint.
[15:50] <Ken8521> but i consider it a non-issue, since its a 10sec fix.
[15:51] <thiebaude> yep
[15:51] <tarzeau> hello
[15:51] <tarzeau> where's the team that takes official packages into ubuntu?
[15:51] <tarzeau> do they ever look at ppa repos?
[15:52] <Ken8521> tarzeau, well, i would consider that unlikely, since its a PPA
[15:52] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: no they dint
[15:52] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: you might want : #ubuntu-motu
[15:52] <shadeslayer> thats where most of the maintainers are
[15:52] <Ken8521> what does PPA mean anyway?
[15:52] <tarzeau> thank you
[15:52] <judgen> would be nice to have a way to uninstall gnome completley after installing xfce though.
[15:53] <tarzeau> personal package archive, Ken8521
[15:53] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[15:53] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: btw theres no rationale to look into PPA's,new packages are only introduced when upstream releases new versions
[15:53] <Ken8521> i got package archive.
[15:53] <Ken8521> ..
[15:53] <tarzeau> Ken8521, shadeslayer: well i put my newer update packages there, that i didn't find a sponsor in debian yet
[15:53] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: i wouldn't mind ubuntu having better, more updated packages...
[15:53] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: or when debian introduces new packages,in which case they are automagically synced
[15:54] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: newer is not always better
[15:54] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: and thats why we have PPA's
[15:54] <Ken8521> judgen, well, Gnome and Xfce are fairly intertwined, but i agree w/ you
[15:54] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: well, when the maintainer says so and they were tested?
[15:55] <judgen> shadeslayer, exactly, I like vlc but i still want to use 0.86* due to the fast skip ahead and all the other niceties.
[15:55] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: but i can't get any stats who is using my ppa
[15:55] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: well in that case we look at 2 things, 1) Has debian testing introduced the package and 2) At what stage of releasing ubuntu are we,if the archive is frozen then its a big no,thats why we have adopt a upstream
[15:56] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: #launchpad
[15:56] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: the point is in debian it's hard to find a sponsor, they're overloaded, so the whole thing getting it into sid, then testing takes a lot more time
[15:56] <BluesKaj> atila, how goes the eth0 connection ?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: you might want to look at REVU and Adopt a upstream
[15:58]  * shadeslayer installs ubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: ok thank you, that's what they said in ubuntu-motu too
[15:58] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: :)
[15:58]  * Ken8521 infects shadeslayer's PC with Windows Vista
[15:59] <mikebeecham> so tried KDE
[15:59] <mikebeecham> no go
[15:59] <mikebeecham> lol
[15:59] <z0rt|work> haha
[15:59]  * shadeslayer is already infected with vista :(
[15:59] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, whats wrong w/ it
[15:59] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: whats the issue?
[15:59] <Ken8521> shadeslayer, lol, poor fella
[15:59] <shadeslayer> Ken8521: hehe... i rarely use it
[15:59] <awc> well, I'm back. Booting hangs at "Adding 3004112k swap on /dev/sda6 Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3004112k" It hangs both on the regular boot and the "recovery"
[15:59] <mikebeecham> Ken8521: I guess I'm just used to gnome...it all looks very Windows-esque
[16:00] <mikebeecham> the whole pop up menu from the 'start' button is a big turn off for me
[16:00] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: yeah,but you can say gnome looks macish
[16:00] <mikebeecham> not at all
[16:00] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, i think thats my main issue w/ KDE
[16:00] <Ken8521> other than its slow.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: you can change the orientation to the top :P
[16:00] <mikebeecham> shadeslayer: you would need to install a finder bar to make it look like mac
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Ken8521: KDE slow? \o/
[16:00] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:00] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:00] <mikebeecham> gnome is uniquely linux, I would say
[16:00] <BluesKaj> atila, try this tutorial for eth0 networking without using a gui network manager ...works well on my old compaq pc : http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[16:01] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:01] <mikebeecham> kde is a cross between windows and mac...I think they tried to help as many people as poss transition to linux with kde
[16:01] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: heh... KDE has a better release cycle and introduces more features in every release,whats gnome last major release?
[16:01] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, i think it has *some* similarity to the old mac interface... but i agree w/ yo.. Gnome is Gnome.  KDE has Windows envy
[16:01] <joaopinto> awc, does the cursor move when you type ?
[16:01] <mikebeecham> shadeslayer: I'm not bashing KDE, as it's purely down to personal taste...I'm sure they release many more updates, etc
[16:01] <guntbert> !ot
[16:01] <Ken8521> shadeslayer, i personally don't need "latest greatest".. i like clean and functional
[16:01] <mikebeecham> I'm just saying that a lot of the design interface put me off
[16:02] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:02] <shadeslayer> !patience | mininessie
[16:02] <awc> joaopinto, YES
[16:02] <mikebeecham> I'm an interface designer, so these are the elements I tend to look at first
[16:02] <awc> sorry for the caps
[16:02] <joaopinto> awc, it's most likely related to bug 507881
[16:02] <Ken8521> mininessie, ther'es been some issues w/ the wubi installer.
[16:02] <awc> joaopinto, is there a fix?
[16:02] <mininessie> Ken8521: aw
[16:03] <joaopinto> awc, not published yet, probably only after the RC
[16:03] <mikebeecham> although I cannot now put my pointer back to default for some reason..it's stuck on the kde one in gnome
[16:03] <joaopinto> there is a workaround on the bug report
[16:03] <Ken8521> mininessie, did you try to upgrade a 9.10 to 10.04
[16:03] <awc> well that would be nice, as I'll have to get in my system to do updates
[16:04] <mininessie> Ken8521: i have been using 10.04 since beta 2
[16:04] <iconmefisto> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[16:04] <Ken8521> mininessie, did you clean install 10.04 w/ wubi?.. or did you upgrade 9.10?
[16:04] <judgen> hehe im installing vlc 0.86 right now on lucid...
[16:04] <Ken8521> vlc=awesome-o
[16:04] <mininessie> Ken8521: do i replace wubildr in drive c: or what
[16:05] <Ken8521> mininessie, i honestly have no idea.. i stay as far away from wubi as possible
[16:05] <mininessie> Ken8521: i upgrade from 9.10
[16:05] <mininessie> Ken8521: well without it i couldn't get ubuntu installed
[16:05] <Ken8521> mininessie, why'st hat?
[16:06] <awc> thanks joaopinto its almost certainly that, I've been trying to get usb support for VB
[16:06] <mininessie> Ken8521: idk mybe because i am trying to do it on a macbook pro
[16:06] <Ken8521> mininessie, is it an intel?
[16:06] <gpmanrpi> I am running lucid upgraded from karmic, and it seems to be crashing on the gdm login screen.  I can start x as any user except for one on my box and I think that might be part of the problem.  Any advice on where to look for what is causing the problem?
[16:06] <Ken8521> awc, usb should work pretty good in the "non free" virtual box
[16:06] <mininessie> mininessie: maybe its the mid summer 2009 version
[16:07] <awc> thats what i have
[16:07] <joaopinto> awc, http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2010/04/upgrading-to-lucid-with-virtualbox-usb.html :)
[16:07] <Sensiva> joaopinto's Website Title: Random thoughts and experiences with Ubuntu: Upgrading to Lucid with Virtualbox USB support renders the system unbootable
[16:07] <Ken8521> and usb doesn't work?
[16:07] <Ken8521> mininessie, does it have Windows on it(bootcamp w/ mac?)
[16:07] <Pici> Sensiva: Please disable that script in this (and other ubuntu) channel(s).
[16:07] <Sensiva> Pici done
[16:07] <Pici> Thanks :)
[16:07] <Sensiva> :))
[16:08] <mininessie> Ken8521: yes i put windows xp on it
[16:08] <jshriver> greetings
[16:08] <Ken8521> mininessie, then unnless you've done some very strange things i don't know about, its likely an Intel Mac
[16:08] <jshriver> Anyone know how to start the Wireless network manager that's in the top corner
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> nm-applet i think
[16:09] <z0rt|work> jshriver: i think it is gnome-network-manager
[16:10] <Ken8521> it didn't start when you booted up?
[16:11] <Brimstones> For Lucid you should add SQUID 3.x
[16:11] <awc> well, I'll if that works
[16:11] <Brimstones> as ACL names have changed a bit itll give many questions otherwise
[16:12] <Pici> Brimstones: squid 3 has been in the repositories for a while.  Its under the package name squid3
[16:12] <Brimstones> Aha, but squid 2 is the default. Same thing as people will use  >= 2.7 then
[16:13] <Pici> Well, we wouldn't want to break people's setups if apt forced them to upgrade from squid 2.x to squid 3.x
[16:13] <jshriver> ty
[16:14] <Brimstones> Pici: You know that these changes are inevitable.
[16:14] <jshriver> nope command not found
[16:14] <Brimstones> Pici: Sooner or later users/admins will have to update their confs
[16:15] <Brimstones> Maybe you can automate it
[16:15] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gonna switch to the laptop
[16:15] <awc> joaopinto, it worked!
[16:15] <Pici> Brimstones: Looks like thats how debian is naming their packages, so until squid(2.x) is dropped there, we probably won't be changing anything.
[16:16] <Ken8521> awc, sing the hallelujah chorus.. :)..
[16:16] <awc> haha
[16:16] <Brimstones> Its just a matter about removing "acl name all IP_NETMASK_HERE". Then theyll have to add "bytes" in 2 places or so.
[16:16] <awc> Gee I was up until 2am last night in here ad we couldn't figure anything out
[16:16] <iconmefisto> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[16:16] <Ken8521> awc, were you having the vbox booting question or something?.. i remember you having quite an issue...
[16:17] <jshriver> hrm says nm-applet is running but is not showing up in the tool bar at the top
[16:17] <Brimstones> Pici: Ok, ill see if it can be dropped. I also dont think apache 1.x should be used as per the Apache foundations raccommendations.
[16:17] <awc> yes, my boot was hanging
[16:17] <Ken8521> thats right
[16:17] <Ken8521> something about usb and vbox
[16:17] <iconmefisto> jshriver: kill it, and start it again
[16:17] <awc> we all thougth it had to so with my swap or something
[16:17] <jshriver> I tried, it's part of NetworkManager tried killing tha tprocess too but even after kill -9 it just autospawns
[16:19] <jshriver> happened after last update
[16:19] <awc> ok now a slightly smaller problem, which I would like to deal with now rather than later when it may cause more problems
[16:19] <awc> I have a partition which overlaps 2 other partitions
[16:20] <mininessie> sh:grub 10.04 grub help
[16:21] <BigRedS_> awc: what?
[16:21] <Ken8521> awc, how in the world is that possible?
[16:21] <awc> (I'm using the Disk Utility) there is the "Extended" -- /dev/sda2 and then my ext4 partition and swap partition
[16:21] <awc> I have absolutley no idea
[16:21] <BigRedS_> awc: Ah, so you have two primary partitions in an extended partition
[16:21] <BigRedS_> that's right and normal
[16:21] <BigRedS_> If I've interpreted it correctly.
[16:21] <awc> i think so
[16:22] <Ken8521> yeah, thtas normal.
[16:22] <awc> ahh ok
[16:22] <Ken8521> i do't think that actually means you have overlapping partitions.. that would be something to see..lol
[16:22] <awc> something was said last night which made it seem to me that it was abnormal
[16:22] <BigRedS_> Check the wikipedia article(s) on extended partitions and/or disk partitioning. IIRC there's a reasonably good explanation of what's going on in there
[16:22] <mininessie> sh:grub 10.04 grub help
[16:23]  * BUGabundo_remote puts helmet on
[16:23] <Pici> mininessie: Is that a question?
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> " I’ll outline the arc of our work on indicator menus to date, and the trajectory we expect it to follow. We’re about a year into the effort, all told, and I think it will take another 18 months before we can consider it baked. It should be done by 12.04 LTS"
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> oh god.... one more year of this :S
[16:23] <mininessie> Pici: i need help i tried to wuildr fix and it didn't help
[16:24] <Pici> mininessie: Please ask your question in a full sentence all on one line with as much details as you can.
[16:24] <awc> well, I've just deleted my windows partitions, how can I add the reclaimed space to my ext4 system?
[16:24] <BUGabundo_remote> awc: gparted ?
[16:25] <awc> ty
[16:25] <mininessie> Pici: i am running ubuntu 10.04 i used wubi to install 9.10 and upgrade to 10.04 now instead of the regular grub i am getting sh:grub and something about tabbing
[16:25] <mininessie> Pici: and i already tried the wubildr fix and that didn't help
[16:26] <Ken8521> awc, are you removing windows for good?
[16:26] <awc> yep
[16:26] <Ken8521> congratulations. :)
[16:26] <awc> works better in VB anyways
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> 'oh the humanity!'
[16:26] <Ken8521> awc, what do you still need windows for?
[16:26] <awc> if I absolutley HAVE to use it that is
[16:27] <awc> erm, nothing?
[16:27] <awc> i have an ipod, and its been acting up lately
[16:27] <Ken8521> awc, i have to have to sync my zune...
[16:27] <mininessie> Pici: can you help me
[16:27] <Pici> mininessie: I cannot, but perhaps someone else here can.
[16:27] <awc> it freezes everytime I try and play music
[16:27] <Ken8521> awc, i sync my ipod via itunes in vbox as well...
[16:28] <awc> ya, rythmbox isn't quite there yet
[16:28] <Ken8521> awc, gtkpod is pretty good, if you've used it.
[16:28] <awc> so anyways how can I add the unallocated space to say sda2?
[16:28] <awc> tried that, it refused to accept my ipod
[16:28] <Ken8521> hmm.
[16:28] <awc> its a 3rd gen touch
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> gparted lets you resize partitions.
[16:29] <Ken8521> oh ok..
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> delete the windows.. enlarge the linux
[16:29] <Ken8521> yeah, gparted, you should just be able to use the little slider to enlarge the partition
[16:29] <awc> ahh ok
[16:29] <thebishop> is there a way to move a logical partition out of it's extended "bubble"
[16:29] <Ken8521> it takes forever though, depending on the amount of space
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> issue may be if its primary/logical partiions.. and you proberly want to do this from a live cd.
[16:29] <iconmefisto> or create a new partition instead of resizing. much faster, and less risky
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> make new partition, move home to it :)
[16:30] <Ken8521> iconmefisto, that probably would be smarter
[16:30] <awc> hmm, gparted won't let me slide anything
[16:30] <alvin> If you feel up to it. Learn LVM. Partition (actually volume) resizing will be much easier and faster.
[16:31] <Ken8521> awc, are you on your install, or on a live cd?
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> issue may be if its primary/logical partiions.. and you proberly want to do this from a live cd.
[16:31] <awc> I'm on my install
[16:31] <Ken8521> if you're on your install, its likely cuz its mounted
[16:31] <iconmefisto> awc: partitions can't be mounted when you change things. livecd is good for this task
[16:31] <awc> ahh ok, thats why
[16:31] <Ken8521> awc, you'll have to do it from the live cd
[16:31] <awc> ahh ok
[16:31] <awc> well, thanks for the help guys
[16:31] <mininessie> i am running ubuntu 10.04 i used wubi to install 9.10 and upgrade to 10.04 now instead of the regular grub i am getting sh:grub and something about tabbing
[16:32] <TecnoBrat> awc: yea it has to be unmounded
[16:32] <iconmefisto> awc: but if it's just your windows partition, unmount it, then delete, create new partition
[16:32] <awc> ahh ok
[16:32] <awc> thanks
[16:32] <Ken8521> awc, you could do what iconmefisto is suggesting from your install.
[16:32] <Ken8521> it would just be a separate partition
[16:32] <awc> ahh ok
[16:32] <Ken8521> which isn't a big deal reall
[16:33] <awc> all the same partition would be better no?
[16:33] <iconmefisto> awc: still usable space though
[16:33] <awc> ofc
[16:33] <Ken8521> awc, not really better or worse, it would just a separate partition, but the space would be just as usable.
[16:33] <awc> mininessie you will have to update grub
[16:33] <awc> ok
[16:34] <mininessie> awc: how because i am running 10.4 and tried the wuildr fix but that didn't work
[16:34] <awc> I had the same probelm a few days ago, I used a live cd and did a GRUB-update
[16:35] <Ken8521> awc, on a wubi install?
[16:35] <awc> ohh wubi, sorry no
[16:35] <Ken8521> awc, unfortunately, wubi is... well. wubi.
[16:35] <thebishop> my Mouse preferences utility doesn't have a Touchpad tab.  How can I get it?
[16:36] <awc> ahh
[16:36] <mininessie> what would be nice is if i had a real live cd or had a perfectly burned cd
[16:37] <mininessie> because i tried to burn a dvd of 9.10 and it didn't run like the live cd
[16:38] <mininessie> does anyone know how to burn ubuntu 9.10
[16:38] <Ken8521> mininessie, well, what happens when you burn the cd?
[16:38] <Ken8521> how are you burning it, etc..
[16:38] <mininessie> mininessie: nothing out of the ordinary its when i install it i have problems
[16:39] <Ken8521> lol
[16:39] <iconmefisto> !md5sum
[16:39] <Ken8521> so you burn the cd, and boot it ok, but the problem comes when you install from it?
[16:39] <Ken8521> i have never md5'd a live cd...
[16:40] <Lord_Rahl> ? for anyone. how do I remove the home folders for the desktop?
[16:40] <Ken8521> i think the keys for burning a proper live cd, is obviously, 1. quality media, and 2. burn it slow.
[16:40] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, the home folders?
[16:40] <ojii> hi everyone
[16:41] <ojii> I tried to disable my touchpad using `/usr/bin/synclient TouchpadOff=1̀ and it did disable it, but only for about 3 seconds
[16:41] <ojii> anyone know how i can really disable it?
[16:42] <Ken8521> ojii, do you not have a touchpad tab inb sys/pref/mouse?
[16:42] <ojii> Ken8521, ?
[16:42] <iconmefisto> ojii: there's a little app called touchfreeze you may find useful
[16:42] <Ken8521> ojii, nevermind, i forgot it doens't allow completely disabling the touchpad
[16:43] <ojii> well what i'd actually love is that the touchpad is disabled when i plug in my mouse, but the udev script i found doesnt seem to work
[16:43] <ojii> so i tried if the command has any effect
[16:43] <ojii> and it doesn't seem to work (properly)
[16:43] <ojii> i'm on a mbp 5.1 btw
[16:43] <Ken8521> ojii, most laptops have a keyboard combination that disable the touchpad?.. i that just not acceptable?
[16:43] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, one sec uploading screenshot
[16:43] <ojii> Ken8521, this is a macbook, it can't even boot from usb, so i doubt it has useful keybindings
[16:43] <Ken8521> ojii, mine is function key f7
[16:43] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, http://tinypic.com/r/msyp8x/5
[16:44] <Ken8521> ojii, never used a macbook, dunno
[16:44] <ojii> Ken8521, F7 is 'previous title' (media)
[16:44] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, so whats the problem?..
[16:45] <ojii> Ken8521, i tried this: http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/switch-automatically-mouse-and-touchpad/, should that generally work on lucid?
[16:45] <ojii> like the udev stuff and whatever
[16:45] <Lord_Rahl> The folder on the desktop are in my home folder. I do not want them on my desktop but I can not find where to tell it not to display them there
[16:46] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, can you delete them?
[16:46] <Ken8521> ojii, wel,l that from 07.. theres been so many changes to ubuntu since then, i'd be surprised if those instructions still apply
[16:46] <ojii> okay
[16:47] <ojii> you know a way to do that by any chance?
[16:47] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, nope not a option. I thought it was in gconfig-editor but I can not find the option
[16:47] <Ken8521> ojii, don't know if there still is, but there used to be a tool in the repositories, called gsynaptics, that worked for controlling touchpads.. but in addition to installing it, you had to add some things to xorg.conf
[16:47] <ojii> funny thing is if i disable touchpad in system->preferences->touchpad it also "auto-reenables" itself
[16:47] <Ken8521> !info gsynaptic
[16:48] <ojii> Ken8521, isn't the "touchpad" entry in preferences menu gsynaptics?
[16:48] <Ken8521> ojii, no, it is a separate utility.. the touchpad entry on /pref/mouse.. doesn't let you turn the touchpad off... gsynaptic did
[16:48] <ojii> great, in gsynaptics the "enable touchpad" checkbox is unchecked, however my touchpad works
[16:48] <ojii> Ken8521, i just entered gsynaptics in a shell and that very app opens
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> On the plus side.. aparently the synaptics people are working on some better linux drivers/support. :)
[16:49] <Ken8521> yeah, you need to make some entries to xorg.conf to make it work
[16:49] <ojii> on my other notebook i can just do "sudo modprobe -r psmouse" and touchpad is gone, on this one i cant
[16:49] <ojii> (that's why i don't want to generally disable it, since I don't know how to reenable it from shell)
[16:50] <ojii> and touchpads on MBP's are veeeery sensitive
[16:51] <Ken8521> ojii, now it was a while ago, but when i woudl disable my touchpad w/ synaptics, i would make an entry like this in my xorg.conf  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[16:51] <Ken8521> ojii, note the 'InputDevice" is the one i'm talking about
[16:51] <Ken8521> the one w/ synaptics touchpad
[16:52] <mikebeecham> hi guys, I've just removed kubuntu-desktop, but it's left me with some issues...I wonder if I can get some help:  1) Cannot get rid of the Kubuntu splash screen, 2) Cannot put my pointers back to Ubuntu default
[16:52] <mikebeecham> can anyone help?
[16:52] <Ken8521> ojii, the one in post #8, is the one i'm taklung about.. sorry bout that
[16:52] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, I found the answer for knowledge sake : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/desktop-showing-the-contents-of-home-folder-on-desktop-in-fedora-8-a-649528/
[16:52] <ojii> Ken8521, my xorg is http://dpaste.com/186192/
[16:53] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, not sure how you did that, never heard of that one
[16:53] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: choose your splash: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[16:53] <Ken8521> ojii, try adding that section for the synaptic touchpad, and see if that lets you disable your touchpad
[16:53] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: I just want the one that came with Ubuntu Lucid back again
[16:53] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, remove KDE and install Gnome maybe screw it up
[16:53] <Ken8521> thats how i used to have to do it on a very old laptop,
[16:54] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, thanks
[16:54] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: then choose the ubuntu one. you should be presented with a list to choose from
[16:54] <ojii> Ken8521, just add it or merge it with the existing mouse entry?
[16:54] <Ken8521> ojii, just add it, thats what i would do(if you were going to try that)
[16:54] <ojii> Ken8521, okay let me restart x then
[16:54] <ojii> cu in a while hopefully
[16:54] <Ken8521> lol, ok
[16:54] <mikebeecham> icon thanks...I was only presented with one Ubuntu one out of 3...so I guess we'll see when I reboot
[16:54] <mikebeecham> lol
[16:55] <ojii> lol
[16:55] <ojii> guess i have to enable ctrl/alt/backspace first
[16:55] <Ken8521> ojii, i think you'll have to actually restart for that to take effect
[16:55] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: still here?
[16:55] <Ken8521> could be wrong though
[16:55] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: yup
[16:56] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: not sure if this is necessary, but after changing plymouth theme: sudo update-initramfs -u
[16:56] <ojii> Ken8521, now i got synaptics to run (?) what do i do?
[16:56] <ojii> can i modprobe -r it?
[16:56] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: so you just had the ubuntu splash theme listed?
[16:56] <Ken8521> ojii, open the gsynaptic package, and there should e a button to disable your touchpad.
[16:57] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: 3 options, 2 were for kubuntu and one was for Ubuntu
[16:57] <iconmefisto_> ok
[16:57] <ojii> Ken8521, how would i re-enable it from shell?
[16:57] <ojii> also it auto-enabled itself again
[16:57] <Ken8521> ojii, now that i don't know.
[16:58] <Ken8521> ojii, so you want it off when you start your laptop?
[16:58] <ojii> Ken8521, if i know a way to enable it, yes
[16:58] <ojii> enable it without a mouse that s
[16:58] <Ken8521> ojii, i guess i don't understand, i just install gsynaptics, and its controlling(turning on/off) my touchpad fine..
[16:59] <ojii> Ken8521, yea i can turn it off, for 5 seconds...
[16:59] <geekphreak> hello all
[16:59] <Ken8521> oh i see, enabling it w/o a mouse
[16:59] <Ken8521> that could be an issue
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> Theres a way to use the numpad as a mouse
[16:59] <geekphreak> hey guys question, after update did anyone have issues with kopete-cryptography plugin not installing?
[17:00] <Ken8521> ojii, what about this.. open a terminal w/ the keyboar dcommand(i can't remember what it is, i never use it)
[17:00] <geekphreak> Dr_Willis:  you here muuuuuuuuu :p
[17:00] <Ken8521> then type gsynapcis
[17:00] <ojii> Ken8521, yea but how would i do anything in gsynaptics?
[17:00] <Ken8521> then use the down arrow key on your laptop, to highlight the check box for "enable touchpad".. and hit the spacebard
[17:00] <ojii> also this whole discussion is pointless when i can't even disable it in the first place
[17:00] <Ken8521> i just did it like that and it worked fine
[17:01] <Ken8521> i thought you said it disabled?
[17:01] <geekphreak> hi Ken8521
[17:01] <Ken8521> hi geekphreak
[17:01] <ojii> Ken8521, it disabled it for 2-5 seconds
[17:01] <iconmefisto_> ojii: maybe give touchfreeze a try? it lets you disable touchpad
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas look for laptops with touchpad off buttons. :)
[17:01] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> You did check to make sur theres no fn-whatever keys to disable it? :)
[17:02] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, lol... mine has that as well
[17:02] <ojii> iconmefisto_, i did, but i don't just want to disable it during typing, i want it gone for good when i have a real mouse plugged in
[17:02] <Ken8521> actuall, i thought most laptops had that
[17:02] <ojii> Dr_Willis, this is a macbook pro, the keyboard is pretty useless
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> I belive the touchpad on after 5 sec thing. is because the hw manager is seeing/reactivating it.. or so ive seen mentioned in some chats in this channel last week
[17:03] <iconmefisto_> ojii: you can disable completely. just not automatically when mouse is plugged in
[17:03] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:03] <geekphreak> ojii:  though mac hhad good products
[17:03] <lontra> does it make sense that i haven't received any update on 10.04 for a couple of days? i.e. are updates starting to slow down as the release nears?
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> ojii:   Apple decided you DONT need to disable it.. so they have to be right! :0
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> geekphreak:  lies and marketing. :)
[17:03] <geekphreak> Dr_Willis: oh ok :)
[17:04] <ojii> Dr_Willis, yea... they also decided that booting from USB is bad. but that resizing (mounted) partitions on runtime is good...
[17:04] <Ken8521> lol
[17:04] <Ken8521> you guys wait, shuttleworth is gonna be the next steve jobs
[17:04] <Ken8521> almost is already
[17:04] <ojii> Ken8521, shuttleworth kicks steve's tiny little ass
[17:05] <acicula> lontra: yeah
[17:05] <Ken8521> i believe jobs has been sick for quite some time(cancer?) so that might be why he is frail
[17:05] <ojii> i'm giving up and going to have a beer with a mate, because beer > apples
[17:06] <acicula> hmmm beeer
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> Applejack
[17:06] <ojii> thanks for trying to help me tho Ken8521 and Dr_Willis
[17:06] <iconmefisto_> beer leads to apples?
[17:06] <Ken8521> ojii, sorry, hope you work it out.
[17:06] <acicula> apples leads to trees
[17:06] <lontra> acicula: thanks
[17:06] <ojii> Ken8521, i heard hammers are pretty useful to disable mousepads...
[17:06] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, i think its "beer is better than apples".. as in, apple computers
[17:06] <lontra> yup steve jobs has pancreatic cancer ... a nasty nasty thing
[17:06] <Ken8521> ojii, lol... if thats the case, i got a 12ga that will disable it as well.
[17:07] <Ken8521> lontra, yeah, thats one of the bad ones
[17:07] <geekphreak> ojii: right, but make sure you are insured :)
[17:07] <ojii> geekphreak, not my notebook :D
[17:07] <iconmefisto_> what's one of the good ones?
[17:07] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, true... but there's some that can be dealt w/ far easier than others..
[17:08] <iconmefisto_> Ken8521: yeah, I know. doesn't look good for him if that's what he has
[17:08] <Ken8521> yea.
[17:08] <lontra> he's clearly a fighter and wealthy to have had pancreatic cancer so long and still be alive
[17:09] <Ken8521> lontra, unfortunately.. i've got experience w/ family and cancer, and pancreatic is one of those that takes its time under most circumstances.
[17:09] <Ken8521> but.. 5yrs seems like an exceptionally long time
[17:10] <lontra> Ken8521: really? i had a friend whose dad died of that in like 1 year after diagnosis
[17:10] <allgandu> anybody found bug in the kernel update?...lucid not loading after restart?
[17:10] <lontra> allgandu: not here
[17:10] <Ken8521> lontra, yea.
[17:10] <Ken8521> allgandu, don't think so, its been working fine for me.
[17:11] <allgandu> whats your kernel version and also how do i check my kernel version in CLI...?
[17:11] <iconmefisto_> uname -r
[17:11] <Ken8521> allgandu, uname -r  or uname -a should show your kernel version
[17:12] <allgandu> 2.6.32-20-generic... this is stable for me .. the one i updated to doesnt load
[17:12] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:13] <iconmefisto_> allgandu: how far does it get?
[17:13] <allgandu> Ken8521, what is your version of the kernel?
[17:13] <Ken8521> -21 generic
[17:13] <Ken8521> working fien for me
[17:13] <allgandu> iconmefisto_, it stops on before the init frames
[17:14] <crucialhoax> How can I change the Ambiance theme color for the panels?
[17:15] <allgandu> Ken8521, iconmefisto_ also 2.6.32-21 doesnt provide powersave or cpu scaling options... in fact it disables it
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> for panels - cant you right click and customize the image/colors?
[17:16] <crucialhoax> Dr_Willis: I can, but then it leaves a black area then the system theme is the rest, I want to change the Ambiance theme itself. The panels are grey I would like something darker.
[17:22] <Zelozelos> Jordan_U if you're still here, it was a success, all my stuff has been restored
[17:23] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: worked a treat!!  Now, do you know how I can get back to my default pointers?  I've gone into appearance settings, but no choice works...it's stuck on oxy-white
[17:23] <iconmefisto_> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[17:24] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: can't be much help there. I'm gnome-ignorant
[17:24] <mikebeecham> ...and the period of time from logging into using the desktop has slowed right down to around 40 seconds or more
[17:24] <mikebeecham> since installing kubuntu-desktop
[17:24] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, thats the kubuntu effect on Gnome...lol
[17:25] <mikebeecham> Ken8521: but surely I've removed all of the kubuntu elements?
[17:25] <mikebeecham> eeep!
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen befor where you select a pointer theme.. THEN need to logout/back in
[17:25] <Dr_Willis>  they are supposed to change on the fly.. but sometimes that dosent work
[17:25] <Brimstones> TO Whom may fix it: The installation of the server PROFTPD in LUCID FAILS To create the servers Runtime Directory so the server CANNOT Start. Make sure that the package "PROFTPD" creates its runtime directory /var/run/proftpd (Tested 2 weeks ago)
[17:25] <mikebeecham> ok, will try that...be right back
[17:25] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, dunno, to me, KDE is like a virus, even when you remove it, there's still some of it in there
[17:25] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: what did you do to remove kubuntu?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Brimstones: filed a bug, right?
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> if you change pointers.. you might notice thet some apps use the new ones.. and the apps running befor you changed still use the old.
[17:25] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: uninstalled via a command that Dr_Willis gave me
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> It can get all confuseing
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> Even with default gnome - ive seen this pointer issue
[17:26] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Not any bug ive seen listed. Please check this in for me.
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> If you think KDE is bad.. try instlling KDE+Gnome+Lubuntu :)
[17:26] <charlie-tca> I can't actually, but if you have the issue, you should file a bug so it does get fixed
[17:27] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Id rather not as it would cut into my coding time.
[17:30] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: maybe some of kde is still in place? does   kcmshell4 mouse  start the kde mouse config?
[17:31] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: nope
[17:32] <mikebeecham> brb
[17:32] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Install proftpd on Lucid, try to start it. Wont work. Try to start it with debug level 9: proftpd -nd9 ... no such directory /var/run/proftpd ... upon creating this directory: mkdir -p /var/run/proftpd all things are good.
[17:33] <mininessie> did you know edubuntu is no longer going to be edubuntu
[17:33] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: I upgraded from karmic from having a previously working proftpd
[17:34] <Ken8521> mininessie, no, had not heard that.
[17:34] <Ken8521> whats happening to it?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Brimstones: that's nice. The whole idea of running pre-release is to file the bugs found so the developers can find out and fix them
[17:35] <mininessie> Ken8521: they kind of got mad at ubuntu for something i don't remember what for the guy who created thisweekinlinux told me
[17:35] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Coders run them to adjust their sources to the new releases. / Greets from GAdmintools.org
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> brb
[17:35] <Ken8521> mininessie, so it may not go away, it just may become "edudebian" or "edufedora"
[17:36] <mininessie> yeah
[17:36] <Brimstones> EUDUCATIONS could be cool ? :)
[17:36] <Brimstones> EUCATIONS ?
[17:37] <Ken8521> i think schools really miss out on the opportunity to put computers on desks, by enslaving themselves to MS
[17:37] <Brimstones> Ken8521: This is changing rapidly
[17:37] <Ken8521> even if they pay a drastically reduced price, its still more than free
[17:38] <Ken8521> Brimstones, how do you figure?
[17:38] <Brimstones> Ken8521: Our police and parts of the military, as well as the US, Spain, German and French instances are changing or have already changed
[17:38] <Ken8521> had never heard that
[17:39] <Brimstones> Ken8521 you must pay attention.
[17:39] <iconmefisto_> Brimstones: "our police" is where?
[17:39] <om26er> !ot
[17:39] <Ken8521> only "police" here in the US that I amware of that uses Linux, is BART in California
[17:39] <Brimstones> Sweden, France and others
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Got KDE and gnome both installed. and i can change mouse curor themes on the fly just fine in gnome.
[17:41] <mininessie> i personally like gnome over kde
[17:41] <Ken8521> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5654
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> I do have my KDE4 desktop rather neatly tweaked on thos desktop box. but in some ways i like gnome better.. but in MANY other ways i perfer kde. :)
[17:42] <Brimstones> Ken8521: The most recent and coolest request for some of the code i create came from the us navy.
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> im just waiting for the HUGE  deal that the next gnome will be. :) lets see if they really rock the gnome boat.
[17:43] <dr3mro> please help me i use ubuntu lucid and videos on mozilla firfox using totem plugin audio starts musted how to make it start at high level
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I do see the 'pointer issue' where some apps are still using the old pointer.
[17:43] <om26er> dr3mro, its a bug
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> In this case a Wine app. is defimnaly not using the pointer theme i selected
[17:43] <dr3mro> om26er, will it be fixed before final release
[17:44] <Brimstones> Dr_Willis: Old pointer ? /lol
[17:44] <om26er> dr3mro, no
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Brimstones:  yep.  not all apps use the pointer i selected in the theme.. Hmm.. Wine app seems to still use the default white pointer.
[17:44] <dr3mro> om26er, is there a work around
[17:45] <Brimstones> Dr_Willis: Heh
[17:45] <om26er> dr3mro, not that I am aware of but there might be.
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> night all
[17:47] <dr3mro> om26er, that is a serious usablity problem and why not be fixed before final release ... for how long ubuntu will be released with bugs in final release ..
[17:48] <om26er> dr3mro, its an upstream issue it depends on them to fix
[17:49] <joaopinto> om26er, let's stop the blame game, it's relevant where the bug is ;)
[17:49] <joaopinto> irrelevant I mean
[17:49] <dr3mro> om26er, .... bad upstream
[17:49] <joaopinto> never heard of that bug before, is it affecting everyone ?
[17:52] <joaopinto> om26er, do you know the bug nr for the problem reported by dr3mro ?
[17:53]  * om26er had a system crash :)
[17:53] <johnjohn101> jordan_u:  are you around?
[17:54] <om26er> one of those days I will go back to karmic
 om26er, do you know the bug nr for the problem reported by dr3mro ?
[17:56] <om26er> joaopinto, not the bug number but the descrition but lp have not opened here for two hours now
[17:58] <johnjohn101> ok, i just lost my left mouse button again in 10.04 in vmware
[17:59] <johnjohn101> was resizing pidgin
[18:02] <mdlueck> Today's daily (20100419.1) is still broken trying to use xfs on / and /home, ext4 on /boot. Gets an error trying to format the / partition.
[18:02] <mdlueck> Anyone else using xfs to test with?
[18:03] <mdlueck> And what logs should I collect up from the failed install?
[18:10] <mdlueck> Guess everyone is @lunch or something. Pls reply with suggestions, I will check back at my desk now and then.
[18:17] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: we are not all at lunch, im just really really busy but i would say file a bug on it using the command ubuntu-bug ubiquity   it will add the logs to it.
[18:17] <gnomefreak> im not sure if it will be anohter package but i would start there they will change it as needed
[18:18] <mdlueck> What sort of logs should I keep from this failed install?
[18:18] <mininessie> why is ubuntu so buggy
[18:18] <mdlueck> Shall I log it against ubiquity?
[18:18] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: use that command it will upload them for you than you will see what ones to keep but off hand i not sure
[18:18] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: open terminal type ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[18:19] <gnomefreak> than follow prompts
[18:19] <mdlueck> How can I get a term from the installer? I launched directly to the installer, not via LiveCD.
[18:19] <marienz> wild gues: ctrl+alt+f2
[18:20] <marienz> but wait for better answers before trying ;)
[18:20] <mdlueck> Ctrl+Alt+F1 term window gives an error message trying to query ubiquity --debug that gtk is not available
[18:20] <mdlueck> So I think I must be in a term window instead of full screen text mode
[18:20] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: ok than file it by hand or try anohter daily image (tomorrows or what not)
[18:21] <mdlueck> Has been broken for over a week at this point, this xfs same issue
[18:21] <mdlueck> I would like to get it logged in the system
[18:22] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: your better off asking in #ubuntu-bugs on how to file it and what logs are best
[18:22] <mdlueck> Will do, OK with filing by hand, but what logs should I attach
[18:22] <mdlueck> OK
[18:22] <mdlueck> Will switch there, thanks gnomefreak
[18:22] <gnomefreak> np
[18:22]  * gnomefreak back to paperwork
[18:22] <mdlueck> hee hee hee
[18:22] <thebishop> there's supposed to be a Touchpad tab in the Mouse config tool, but I'm not seeing one.  What can I do about this?
[18:23] <EagleScreen> yes thebishop i have it
[18:24] <thebishop> EagleScreen, i have touchpad, but no tab
[18:24] <EagleScreen> that is really strange
[18:25] <thebishop> EagleScreen, yeah, i really want to enable the no-click-while-typing feature
[18:25] <EagleScreen> thebishop: if you are in this channel, it is because you have Ubuntu 10.04 + Gnome 2.30.0, true??
[18:25] <thebishop> EagleScreen, i'm running Beta2
[18:25] <thebishop> Gnome 2.30.0 is correct
[18:25] <TecnoBrat> I know a little OT .. but figured people might wanna know.  Don't let McAfee update, or it will break your windows machines.
[18:26] <TecnoBrat> If you don't know what I'm talking about .. search for mcafee on twitter :P
[18:26] <Ken8521> TecnoBrat, anyone still using Mcafee or norton on a windows box, needs their head kicked in
[18:26] <Sebboh> Hello, all.  I've got a 10.04 workstation here. I disabled my onboard audio device.  Now I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio, and anything else that I don't need because I don't have/want a sound card.  But, apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, which I'd like to keep (especially since I'm on 10.04 and things could change, eh?), so what should I do?
[18:27] <thebishop> my policy when running windows is no virus scan, stick with free software applications
[18:27] <TecnoBrat> Ken8521: or a system file quarantined causing the system to never boot again! :P
[18:27] <Tux^> hi all, i did a successful upgrade to beta 1 from 9.10 some time back. But since few days, when i allow the regular updates (via update manager), ubuntu fails to boot ! i just get the initial screen with "ubuntu" logo and then it takes me to a black screen
[18:27] <Tux^> i have also tried to do a clean install of beta 2, but after the update again same problem
[18:27] <Ken8521> thebishop, well, there's some good free antivirus out there.. avast is good... but i typically dont use av either. i just keep a fresh iso backed up so if my vbox gets infected somehow, i can delete and restore
[18:29] <EagleScreen> Sebboh: ubuntu-desktop depends on pulseaudio and pulseaudio-esound-compat, you you can't remove them without removing ubuntu-desktop, anyway, wahy removing pulseaudio?
[18:30] <thebishop> EagleScreen, the really weird thing is 2-finger scroll works properly
[18:31] <thebishop> EagleScreen, vertical scroll that is.  i'd like to enable horizontal scroll, disable tap to click, and enable the thing that prevents clicks while typing
[18:32] <EagleScreen> thebishop: check you haven't a broken Gnome installation
[18:32] <thebishop> EagleScreen, how to check?  I haven't done anything that would break it
[18:33] <Sebboh> I disabled my sound card, EagleScreen.  I see no need to waste resources on audio packages on this system.  (Remember, too, that I have to download periodic updates for these packages--that's wasting the mirror's bandwidth, too.)
[18:33] <TecnoBrat> Ken8521: vbox has a great snapshot feature... thats what I use :)
[18:33] <EagleScreen> thebishop: jusnt di a full upgrade: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[18:33] <Ken8521> TecnoBrat, i've never explored that to much, but thats a decent idea... i'll have to look at it
[18:34] <EagleScreen> Sebboh: if you want remove pulseaudio without ubuntu-desktop, you need a patched ubuntu-desktop package
[18:40] <EagleScreen> thebishop: check you have gnome-control-center 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo
[18:43] <EagleScreen> hi ActionParsnip
[18:43] <BluesKaj> yo ActionParsnip
[18:43] <thebishop> EagleScreen, it says 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4 in synaptic
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> How come Ubuntu has taken off only recently when Linux has been around for ages
[18:43] <EagleScreen> that is the official version, and it shoud have the Touchpad tab
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> Did someone just get it right or is it simply bloated enough to mass appeal to all. I don't get it at all (not that its bad)
[18:47] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, methinks the word "linux" scared a lot of potential users away , but now the ease of installation and the apps that just work is the reason
[18:48] <BluesKaj> and word of mouth on the net
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> Blueskaj: but mandriva has a good installer for apps and so does mother debian...
[18:49] <zonkers> can I get some help with a problem i'm having with 10.04?
[18:50] <iconmefisto> plenty of support available too. that must appeal to new linux users
[18:50] <joaopinto> !ask | zonkers
[18:50] <Loki> !help
[18:50] <Loki> lol
[18:50] <Loki> that didn't work :p
[18:50] <Loki> joaopinto: you don't know about GMA500 drivers do you?
[18:51] <joaopinto> Loki, no
[18:51] <zonkers> so, with 10.04, I when I'm resizing a window, sometimes my left mouse functionality goes away
[18:51] <Loki> >.>
[18:51] <joaopinto> zonkers, is that a real install or vmware ?
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: its always been there though. There has been documents on linux for ages with guides etc
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> Zonkers: is that with effects enabled?
[18:52] <zonkers> joapinto: it's with a vmware install and no effects
[18:52] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, it was not so big and so structured as it is today, linux was much more underground
[18:52] <zonkers> actionparsnip: I can almost recreat it at will.  seem like if you resize over another window, it happens
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> Joaopinto; I guess
[18:53] <joaopinto> zonkers, file a bug report, but it could be vmware related
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> Zonkers: i'd ask in #vmware to see if its a known glitch, if not log a bug
[18:53] <iconmefisto> ActionParsnip: but not as good as ubuntu's, esp. for new users. it's a very welcoming community
[18:53] <zonkers> i'm not seeing any issues with 9.10
[18:53] <patdk-wk> hmm, I can't get my left mouse button to act up at all today :(
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: gentoo community is very welcoming but gentoo can be scary for new users
[18:55] <joaopinto> zonkers, that doesn't imply it's an Ubuntu issue, it could be a problem with the vmware graphical driver and the newer Xorg
[18:55] <zonkers> joaopinto:
[18:56] <iconmefisto> ActionParsnip: I've thoroughly "converted" 4 non-techie people with ubuntu (kubuntu, actually). I doubt I could have done it with something like gentoo
[18:56] <zonkers> joaopinto: i just would like to report it somewhere so someone with better skills than me can look at it
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: I've "converted" folks with mandrake 7. But most use ubuntu or fedora now (go figure)
[18:57] <thebishop> so I read that Hal is 100% out of Lucid, is that correct?
[18:58] <iconmefisto> thebishop: as I understand it, it's not necessary, but still in repos
[18:59] <mininessie> is ubuntu still in pre-release freeze
[18:59] <thebishop> iconmefisto, the reason I ask is I'm looking at this tutorial (9.10) for enabling multitouch synaptic touchpads: http://blog.mfabrik.com/2009/10/11/setting-up-multi-touch-scrolling-for-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-linux-on-asus-eee-1005ha-netbook/ -- it didn't work, so I wondered if that's because Hal config files are no longer checked
[18:59] <mininessie> is ubuntu still in pre-release freeze
[18:59] <zonkers> i guess I'll reload tomorrow's version to see if it's been fixed. It's driving me crazy cause I have to reboot all the time
[19:01] <iconmefisto> thebishop: it seems kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop still uses hal
[19:02] <thebishop> iconmefisto, well, i'm using Gnome
[19:07] <manager> hi all - i'm currently running ubuntu 9.04 - i want to know what the main differences are between 9.04 and 10.04 except for kernel updates and slight gui change?
[19:08] <hudnix> Can't upgrade from 9.10: 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.'
[19:08] <darthanubis> manager, check the webpage in the topic
[19:08] <Pici> manager: The release notes for Beta 2 that are in the topic would be a good start.
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> Manager: there are lots. I suggest you check the ubuntu site for "what's new"
[19:09] <hudnix> should I just uninstall openoffice?
[19:09] <zonkers> joaopinto: it's similar to this issue.  http://lists.mandriva.com/bugs/2010-03/msg00224.php
[19:09] <whiterabbit> (ATI driver + Lucid + HDMI) Does anyone have a working hack to kill underscan? It's back, and old hacks no longer work
[19:10] <manager> Pici: ActionParsnip: thanks
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> Whiterabbit: does the ati driver now support xorg 8.5?
[19:11] <mickep> Hi, after upgrading from 9.10 to lucid today, the volume is very low and if I raise it, the sound is very bad. Any ideas?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> mickep, make sure your ctrls in alsamixer are all at least 75%
[19:13] <whiterabbit> ActionParsnip: Not sure; I assume so
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> Mickep: run; sudo lshw -C sound ,websearch for the product line to see if there are bugs logged too
[19:13] <BluesKaj> sometimes they drop to low levels or even off after upgrades
[19:13] <mickep> BluesKaj: Master and Speaker are set to max and PCM to about 90%.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:14] <mickep> I remember the volume was low in 9.4 and then it got up to a nicer level in 9.10. I guess it is back (or even lower) now.
[19:15] <mickep> ActionParsnip: Is it the line "product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller" that is interesting?
[19:15] <mickep> (btw, thanks)
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> Mikep: search the web, there may be bugs stating it as a known issue and bug
[19:16] <gbear14275> anyone here able to talk to power management (specifically battery management)?  I have questions about setting charging thresholds for my new li-ion battery.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | mickep
[19:17] <gbear14275> are there any gui's available to help set charging profiles for my battery?  If not, how can I set my charging profiles?
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: are you running lucid?
[19:17] <mickep> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll go through that
[19:17] <gbear14275> I am, beta 2
[19:18] <BluesKaj> mickep, hope it helps
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: then #ubuntu is not the place to ask, it is here
[19:18] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: sorry, I am asking in multiple forums as I believe the problem is not version specific per se
[19:19] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: but would be happy for anyone to help me find some help
[19:19] <mdlueck> Back from #ubuntu-bugs with the discovery that mkfs.xfs is missing on recent installer CD's. That is why I can not successfully use xfs for lucid installations. It was suggested I inquire if it is known to be missing.
[19:19] <hudnix> Fixed it. If anyone's interested, having openoffice.org-filter-binfilter installed will break the upgrade with a dependency problem.
[19:20] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: you aware of any gui's to help with power management or aware of any upcoming changes in lucid which may help in this department?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: could look in preferences under power possibly. Not something I've ever bothered with tbh
[19:21] <whiterabbit> Anyone prior users of "aticonfig --set-pcs-val=MCIL,DigitalHDTVDefaultUnderscan,0" found a working lucid hack?
[19:21] <osmosis> flash on 64 bit doesnt appear to be working for me
[19:21] <osmosis> with firefox
[19:21] <whiterabbit> Not working in which respect?
[19:21] <mickep> BluesKaj: I realized that was probably not the right info I gave. I rather have a Creative USB speakers.
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: put the .so file in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[19:22] <osmosis> whiterabbit, I put the .so file in my  .mozilla/plugins/ dir. When I relaunch firefox, still no flash support.
[19:22] <mininessie>  umm i burn the cd and it runs but i have problem when try to install itr fully as not using wubi it shows a white ubuntu logo nd does do anything
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: you MUST remove the flash packages you have installed or they will conflict and obviously you must be using 64bit linux
[19:22] <mininessie> doesn't not does
[19:22] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: I have... very generic controls... nothing to help with setting up charging profiles.  The reason I ask is I would like this new battery to last longer than a year and a charging profile would be very useful
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> Mininessie: did you md5 test the iso?
[19:23] <Lord_Rahl> where is the interface tab?
[19:23] <mininessie> ActionParsnip: yes
[19:23] <osmosis> ActionParsnip, good idea, but I havent installed any flash packages. clean lucid install, daily build today.
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> Mininessie: good :). Tried some boot options?
[19:23] <mininessie> i know it works because the wubi option came up
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: cool, make sure you get no output from: dpkg -l | grep flash; dpkg -l | grep gnash; dpkg -l | grep swf
[19:25] <gbear14275> I do have a separate question about eventual upgrade.  Do the files in my home directory pose any risks to botch up a lucid install?
[19:25] <osmosis> ActionParsnip, yes, all those have no matches.
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: no they simply hold settings which should float over to lucid
[19:25] <Zelozelos> manager there are a bunch of things that are diff, what you will see is mostly gui stuff, but theres a lot of stuff in the background that is working better/faster/smarter
[19:26] <Zelozelos> oops
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: great. Can you give the output of: uname -a
[19:26] <mikebeecham> hi guys...does anyone know where I can download the Ubuntu default mouse theme?
[19:26] <mickep> BluesKaj, ActionParsnip: I guess I came across<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. It is indeed a weird scalin in the volume applet.
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> Mickep: apt-cache search human | less ,may help
[19:27] <mickep> ActionParsnip: that was for mikebeecham, right.
[19:27]  * Zelozelos should remember to scroll back down when hes away for a while
[19:27] <mikebeecham> hi ActionParsnip
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Mickep: yeah d'oh
[19:28] <mikebeecham> I thought that by deleting my default theme it would restore upon login..it did, kinda!
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Mikebeecham: see the above command
[19:28] <Lord_Rahl> where is the interface tab? if it is not there how can I turn off text beside icons
[19:29] <mikebeecham> ActionParsnip: a little confused
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> Mikebeecham: run: apt-cache search human | less
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> Mikebeecham: one package may have the pointers
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> I gotta jet. Peace
[19:33] <mikebeecham> ok, I have run that and get a shedload of stuff...what I can see is  Humanity-Icon-theme
[19:33] <mikebeecham> but not sure what to do with this list?
[19:40] <mikebeecham> pah..nothing there can help:(
[19:46] <mickep> BluesKaj: Applying Luke's tip at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/531063 solved my sound problem. Thanks for your assistance!
[19:47] <Zelozelos> is there a way to increase the hotspots size for resizing windows
[19:50] <BluesKaj> mickep, glad to hear it :)
[19:58] <Qwell> So, now that you've made my nano unusable by adding colorization...  How do I remove that garbage?
[19:59] <mickep> Is it impossible to connect to MSN these days? (pidgin/empathy/aMSN all fail)
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Qwell: I would guess change the options in /etc/nanorc
[20:03] <Qwell> and how, precisely, would you propose I do that?
[20:03] <guntbert> !attitude | Qwell
[20:04] <Qwell> guntbert: my editor was changed so that I'm unable to read it.  I'm allowed to have a little attitude.
[20:04] <charlie-tca> use an editor
[20:04] <Fishscene> vim?
[20:04] <guntbert> Qwell: not here if you want help - please
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Qwell: that attitude doesn't really apply, since none of us actually did that to you
[20:05] <z0rt|work> a sense of entitlement is not an attitude to have in an open source support community
[20:08] <judgen> Where do xfce4 store wich windowmanager it is to use on login?
[20:10] <Qwell> Is accessibility just not high on ubuntu's list?  I mean, every release I have to report bugs from default behavior changing.  Now it's gone as far as my editor - that's just too far.  really.
[20:10] <Qwell> this has nothing to do with entitlement
[20:11] <guntbert> Qwell: please stop your ranting - no developpers here  -- we can and will try to help you
[20:11] <Qwell> guntbert: Then where are the developers?
[20:11] <Qwell> they need to hear the rants.
[20:11] <guntbert> !bug | Qwell
[20:21] <mb999> Hi. Anybody here know of issues with rhythmbox on 10.04 beta 2? Segfault in gstreamer.
[20:22] <AcePreshaw> helo
[20:22] <AcePreshaw> i cnat wat to 10.04
[20:25] <Goldstanza> hello room
[20:26] <mb999> Hi. Anybody here know how to fix issues with rhythmbox on 10.04 beta 2? Segfault in gstreamer.
[20:26] <AcePreshaw> helo
[20:26] <Goldstanza> i am having a strange problem with my lucid system
[20:48] <Volkodav> any tweaks needed for ext4 for SSD ?
[20:51] <UnNaturalHigh> Hi, I have tried to file bug reports for my Fn + brightness keys but they are always marked invalid. Does anyone know how I can get a bug to be marked valid?
[20:53] <Bigbrumbrum> Hello! :) What does the command mountall do?
[20:54] <guntbert> Bigbrumbrum: mounts all devices which are in /etc/fstab
[20:54] <Bigbrumbrum> o snap
[20:54] <Sensiva> Bigbrumbrum it mounts filesystems at boot
[20:54] <Sensiva> man mountall for more info
[20:54] <Bigbrumbrum> it doesnt work on my computer...
[20:55] <Bigbrumbrum> what to do?
[20:55] <osmosis> Volkodav, not that i know of. but im not experiencing any issues.
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys I have been running Lucid on my netbook and my desktop here since beta1 and the web page loading in Chrome and Firefox takes like 3-4 times longer than my parents old P4 box. I just did the trick from 9.10 with specifying a DNS server in the network manager applet window and it doesnt help much at all. Is this something I should just accept as the new norm and move on or is this a known issue etc?
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2009> They are running 9.04 on the P4 box BTW.
[20:55] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, Function key is built for the BIOS. doesnt have anything to do with Ubuntu.
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> osmosis, I think it does, it used to work prior to 9.10
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> in 9.10 is stopped working, I filed a bug report, and then it was marked invalid
[20:56] <robin0800> Bigbrumbrum: usually because what you want to mount is not in /etc/fstab
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> I then tried 10.04, filed a bug report as it did not work, and it was marked invalid
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> osmosis, seems like a regression to me
[20:57] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, i couldnt adjust the screen brightness using the brightness applet because the BIOS didnt have an interface for the OS. So I was forced to manually set the brightness using the Fn keys.
[20:57] <Bigbrumbrum> but wth, it doesnt mount anything, i cant even find my hdds.
[20:57] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Are you having trouble with a keyboards multimedia keys or something?
[20:57] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, until a bios update came up, which fixed it. now both ways work.
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> LinuxGuy2009, Fn + F6/F7
[20:57] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, which would be for??? all laptops are different you know.
[20:58] <UnNaturalHigh> Toshiba Satellite A500
[20:58] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Fn key is not used by an operating system I dont think. Thats a bios feature i believe.
[20:59] <UnNaturalHigh> This makes no sense that if it was a bios feature that me updating Ubuntu would have any effect on it.
[20:59] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Oh an update made it stop working?
[20:59] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, for volume? brightness? sleep mode?  what is F6F7 for?
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> cna
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> ew
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> ef
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> f
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> fe
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> ef
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> effe
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> e
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> e
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> e
[20:59] <Volkodav> osmosis there are tweaks needed for performance and lifespan
[20:59] <UnNaturalHigh> I updated from 9.04 - 9.10 it stopped working and continues to not work in 10.04
[21:00] <Volkodav> osmosis:  http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8215179!
[21:00] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Highly recomend a clean install. I know this isnt windows, but sometimes things like that can happen.
[21:00] <UnNaturalHigh> osmosis, F6 = brightness down and F7 = brightness up
[21:00] <UnNaturalHigh> sigh, really a clean install
[21:00] <alvin> Bigbrumbrum: I agree on the wrongly named 'mountall', but if your HDD's are not found, it's usually grub.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: I dont even mess with updating releases cause of dumb stuff breaking like that.
[21:01] <UnNaturalHigh> the only clean install I am doing is to windows 7
[21:01] <osmosis> how can I troubleshoot flash not being recognized. I have the .so in the right dir. Firefox says its not installed.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Well thats your call dude.
[21:01] <UnNaturalHigh> sigh, I am going back to work
[21:02] <Bigbrumbrum> alvin: But i got my hdds mounted in grub, windows and ubuntu boots :P and when i run ubuntu in recovery mode he says mountall command failed
[21:02] <LinuxGuy2009> osmosis: 32bit or 64bit installation?
[21:03] <LinuxGuy2009> osmosis: Easiest way is go to adobe website and download the deb and dpkg -i *.deb
[21:06] <osmosis> LinuxGuy2009, 64
[21:06] <LinuxGuy2009> osmosis: Think there is a alpha or beta 64bit deb available.
[21:07] <obscurant1st> release date?
[21:07] <Pici> April 29th
[21:07] <LinuxGuy2009> april 29 for lucid if thats what your asking
[21:07] <duffydack> 64bit flash works fine for me.
[21:08] <ojii> how would i tell lucid to use scim per default for all inputs?
[21:08] <obscurant1st> Pici, LinuxGuy2009 thx, thats what i asked!
[21:08] <LinuxGuy2009> obscurant1st: wont be long bud ;-)
[21:08] <alvin> I heard a rumour about recovery mode no longer working, so I don't know if that can be trusted. On the other hand, if you can get into recovery mode, your HDD is indeed found.
[21:08] <alvin> or is it grub recovery?
[21:11] <osmosis_> here it is:  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[21:12] <ubuntu> I am currently having problems while installing Lucid.
[21:16] <Bigbrumbrum> I can find my ubuntupartition, but no others, note that i can find them in gparted
[21:16] <narselon>  I just upgraded to lucid and I'm getting an "Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual" error when I try to start compiz and nautilus only loads the desktop variation
[21:18] <genii> narselon: Intel graphics?
[21:18] <narselon> ati
[21:18] <genii> narselon: open source driver or proprietary?
[21:18] <osmosis> running fresh lucid daily build, I get random lockups. Can't drop to a terminal or anything.
[21:18] <narselon> i've been using open source drivers for several releases without a a single issue
[21:19] <alvin> Bigbrumbrum: Are we talking about partitions, or LVM volumes? What filesystems are on them?
[21:20] <Bigbrumbrum> windows partitions.
[21:20] <narselon> so in other words yes, I'm still using open source
[21:20] <genii> narselon: May want to investigate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/565981 and if applicable perhaps afterwards https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak
[21:21] <osmosis> i wish there was a better way to troubleshoot random crashes on linux.
[21:22] <alvin> Ah, can't help you there. I don't run Windows. Not recognizing NTFS after an upgrade sounds weird though. Maybe you should investigate and file a bug.
[21:23] <ubuntu> I am trying to install Lucid Lynx ona 40GB partition and I am currently running a live USB and when i run the install it hangs on step 3
[21:24] <eponym> I'm on a ThinkPad X200s that was given to me with a fresh install of Lucid. I had the fancy visual effects setting on (from Appearance) and it was working fine. I wanted to use Compiz' Grid plugin, so I installed some packages to get the settings manager, I got Grid working, but I lost title bars. I tried installing Emerald, but after that, Grid stopped working. Now, I can use Metacity with no effects, or if I select 'None' or 'Extra' i
[21:24] <eponym> t goes to Compiz+Emerald. I'm not sure what to do.
[21:25] <Bigbrumbrum> will do that alvin, thx!
[21:25] <eponym> I want Metacity with Compiz + Grid to work, or at least be able to turn up the visual effects without switching to Emerald
[21:26] <ZykoticK9> !emerald | eponym
[21:27] <eponym> I believe you! I want it gone.
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> emerald is cool though.
[21:28] <eponym> But how do I get compiz working with metacity again?
[21:28] <ZykoticK9> eponym, you might want to install fusion-icon that will give you a panel icon to change the windows manager and decorator
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> eponym: Install "fusion-icon"
[21:29] <eponym> Thanks, I'm trying that.
[21:29] <bushbaby> anyone know how to get b43 driver working from disk?
[21:29] <mickep> Can other poeple connect to MSN? I cannot succed in pidgin/empathy/aMSN.
[21:30] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Checked hardware drivers dialog window?
[21:30] <Klevi> yes i can mikau
[21:30] <luismmontielg> mickep, try emesene
[21:30] <Klevi> er Mickp
[21:30] <bwallum> has legal man cometh?
[21:30] <luismmontielg> I can un pidgin/empathy/emesene
[21:30] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: yes, nothing listed.. not even propietry..
[21:30] <Klevi> my bad mikau
[21:31] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: What adapter do you have? BCM4312 for example?
[21:31] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: BCM4311 I know it works fine because i'm currently using it on my 9.10 partition that i'm using at the moment..
[21:31] <mickep> strange, I wonder what goes wrong here, then.
[21:32] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Make sure you have main, universe, restricted, multiverse all enabled to see all packages in the repos.
[21:33] <bwallum> Is the rc iso available yet?
[21:33] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Thanks, didn't think of that.. I'll go try that out..
[21:33] <EagleScreen> LinuxGuy2009: for Broadcom BCM43xx, just install the package bcmwl-kernel-source
[21:33] <LinuxGuy2009> bwallum: April 22 for RC
[21:33] <bwallum> thanks
[21:33] <mickep> luismmontielg: even emesene fails. I wonder if I got some lib wrong or so.
[21:34] <arand> LinuxGuy2009: Oh man is it rc already?
[21:34] <bwallum> is it ready?
[21:34] <luismmontielg> mickep, maybe its your lan? or msn account?
[21:34] <LinuxGuy2009> arand: Yeah 22nd
[21:34] <zonkers> when will RC be pushed out to the update manager?
[21:34] <arand> !final
[21:35] <LinuxGuy2009> zonkers: just keep current updates installed and you will already have RC
[21:35] <zonkers> i'm just bumming out about this vmware bug
[21:36] <arand> zonkers: the actual RC-change will likely just be a ranaming of the distro version string to not read "testing/beta" or whatever it is at the moment
[21:36] <arand> zonkers: reported?
[21:36] <zonkers> i wasn't sure how to report.  I need to create a launchpad id?
[21:37] <EagleScreen> zonkers: yes you need
[21:37] <arand> zonkers: yea...although, is the bug in vmware itself?, in that case, well it's up to vmware to fix it I guess, not ubuntu...