[01:54] <chrisccoulson> well, so much for giving up alcohol!
[02:20] <desrt> chrisccoulson??
[04:18] <pitti> Good morning
[05:21] <didrocks> good morning
[05:40]  * didrocks now releases unity and unity 2D 5.12 in -proposed
[05:42]  * micahg hopes didrocks means into -proposed
[05:44] <didrocks> micahg: yeah, into ;)
[05:44] <micahg> :)
[05:45] <didrocks> well, I need to do the upstream tarballs first
[05:49] <pitti> hey didrocks
[05:49] <pitti> hey micahg
[05:49] <pitti> so, what do we break first?
[05:50] <didrocks> pitti: I can already push compiz if you want :p
[05:50] <didrocks> pitti: we already went to a round of breakage/fix with the pre-release unity, hoping it was the only one :)
[05:51]  * pitti pats didrocks on the back
[05:51] <pitti> off for a bit for breakfast and such
[05:51] <pitti> just wanted to finish that blog post
[05:52] <micahg> hi pitti
[05:53] <didrocks> pitti: ok, what breaks first is my daily kernel panic in fact
[05:53] <pitti> time for oven?
[05:54] <didrocks> pitti: ah no, it's a real bug I guess ;)
[07:51] <Sweetshark> Moin!
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: Any chance for one of you to look at 3.5.2-2ubuntu3?
[07:52] <Sweetshark> (today)
[07:54] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:54] <pitti> oh, sure
[07:54] <didrocks> pitti: oh, you were so right when talking about oven time for the laptop
[07:55] <didrocks> … graphical card just screwed again right now
[07:55] <pitti> *sigh*
[07:55] <didrocks> and I have all my release stuff on that computer :/
[07:56] <RAOF> Time for another round of laptop-baking?
[07:57] <ogra_> didrocks, time to move to lubuntu :)
[07:58] <didrocks> well, time first to try to get my release preparation on my netbook :/
[07:58] <didrocks> but with all the screen screwed, even in console mode
[07:58] <didrocks> not easy
[07:58] <ogra_> ssh from another machine ?
[07:59] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:59] <didrocks> ogra_: for that, I need to connect it to the network :p
[07:59] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128, how are you?
[07:59] <seb128> pitti, I'm good thanks, how are you?
[07:59] <pitti> didrocks: time for a new laptop perhaps?
[07:59] <pitti> seb128: feeling precise!
[07:59] <seb128> ;-)
[07:59] <ogra_> not feeling quantal yet ?
[07:59] <didrocks> pitti: well, refresh is in less than 6 month, will be a shame to buy 2 in short time :)
[08:00] <pitti> ogra_: maybe, if I knew what that was :)
[08:00] <ogra_> haha
[08:01] <pitti> it changes when I try to observe it
[08:05] <seb128> didrocks, you can buy one and claim the money in 6 month
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: yeah, just privmsg'ed him that option from the company handbook
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, we are talking about it, I think I would do that
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: ok ;-)
[08:07] <didrocks> well, right now, first goal == scp from my it
[08:10] <BigWhale> What??! only a handful of upgrades? I am disappoint! :>
[08:13] <pitti> BigWhale: is there so much broken for you which needs fixing? :-)
[08:13] <pitti> (actually, it's quite a serious question)
[08:13] <pitti> there's always things we overlook
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, I've a 3 pages long list of bugs I want to see SRUed if that's of any use to you ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> which include several GNOME components, unity, lightdm and others
[08:15] <BigWhale> pitti, no, everything works. But I like the bad-ass big upgrades. ;)
[08:15] <pitti> oh, for sure
[08:15] <pitti> but of course the most important bug is still that floppies don't work!
[08:16] <seb128> yeah, how did you dare breaking floppies!
[08:16]  * pitti just read a followup on the udisks upstream bug
[08:16] <seb128> ;-)
[08:16]  * pitti takes out the zap-o-matic
[08:16]  * pitti aims
[08:16]  * pitti aims more carefully...
[08:16] <pitti> ZAP!
[08:16] <pitti> there, all floppies in the world just died
[08:18] <bryceh> pitti, what are these "floppies" you mention?
[08:18] <pitti> bryceh: <jedi wave> don't worry, my friend; nothing that you want to know
[08:18] <bryceh> heh
[08:20] <bryceh> pitti, but I copied Ubuntu 12.04 onto a set of 5 1/4" disks, can't I install from them?
[08:21] <BigWhale> Let's not talk about floppies. It brings back bitter memories of installing SLS from 40 3.5" floppies and then at the end at 30+ something floppies shuffled, getting a CRC error ... :/
[08:21] <RAOF> Aaah, rotating rust.
[08:22] <pitti> *chuckle*
[08:23] <pitti> RAOF: this is so much going to be the name of ubuntu 13.10!
[08:23] <pitti> err, 13.04
[08:25] <bryceh> 13 such a lucky number
[08:26] <Sweetshark> pitti, anyone: can you nominate bug 986205 for precise?
[08:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986205 in libreoffice "libreoffice-writer needs libreoffice-base for form controls (libdbalo.so missing from libreoffice-base-core)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986205
[08:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: done
[08:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: thanks
[08:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: ubuntu3 uploaded, danke!
[08:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: /me bows to his uploader overload.
[08:54] <Sweetshark> s/overload/overlord/
[08:54]  * Sweetshark finds coffeine ...
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. i'm good thanks, although a bit tired. i slept in a bit this morning ;)
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, late hacking or precise release party? ;-)
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or did you spend the night playing angry birds space? ;-)
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, a bit of the last one, with some whisky ;)
[09:34] <seb128> ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is the space version good? I need to try it
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it's quite a lot of fun
[09:37] <pitti> need to try that; I recently played Rio when I locked myself out of my flat for an hour
[09:38] <ogra_> you didnt just google "how to unlock a door using credit cards" ?
[09:41] <seb128> ogra_, he doesn't need to, he's praticing taekwondo, he could just have broken the door with his feet ;-)
[09:42] <ogra_> oh indeed
[09:42]  * ogra_ remembers the team building exercise from the SF allhands
[09:42] <ogra_> theoretically we all should be able to :)
[09:46] <seb128> ogra_, do you need to put it in fire first then?
[09:46] <ogra_> yeah, else your motivation wont be high enough
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> heh, this is pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lUZ-e2SkeMI ;)
[11:09] <pitti> meh, seems I bricked unity 3d by switching to 2d once
[11:12] <seb128> "bricked"?
[11:12] <pitti> lightdm eternally hangs at "Authenticating...", and "startx" from vt1 just gives me a black screen
[11:12] <pitti> hmm
[11:12] <pitti> but guest session 3d doesn't work either
[11:13] <seb128> pitti, oh, you get that bug as well!
[11:14] <seb128> I wonder if something changed recently which broke lightdm
[11:14] <seb128> pitti, like you type your password on unity-greeter, it does write "login in..." but never log in
[11:14] <pitti> yes
[11:14] <seb128> you can go back to the user list using esc
[11:14] <seb128> but never log in again?
[11:15] <seb128> pitti, I bet the lightdm process is stucked in a read()
[11:15] <pitti> I'm now logged into 2d
[11:15] <pitti> that works
[11:15] <seb128> hum
[11:15] <seb128> different bug then
[11:15] <seb128> mine wouldn't log in any user when that happens
[11:15] <seb128> not even a guest session
[11:15] <seb128> lightdm it stucked in a read() for me
[11:16] <seb128> i.e seems to auth dialog doesn't go well and lightdm keeps waiting for some extra packets from the greeter than never come
[11:16] <seb128> to->the
[11:16] <pitti> hm, now 3D guest session works
[11:16] <pitti> bah
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, yours might be different then
[11:16] <seb128> but there is a bug there somewhere
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, for me the session doesn't matter, it's on second login
[11:17] <seb128> like if I log into user, log out and try to log in again
[11:17] <seb128> then I need to restart lightdm to be able to auth again
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, I discussed it a bit with mterry wednesday, we said we would debug it together next week, will be easier than over IRC
[11:18] <seb128> pitti, bug #987614 btw
[11:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 987614 in lightdm "Stuck at login screen with status "Logging in..."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987614
[11:19] <pitti> ah, thanks
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, I did plan to send an email to robert about it today, I will Cc you on it
[11:21] <pitti> I'm not quite sure what triggered it
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, though I'm unsure you got the same bug if you managed to recover without restarting lightdm
[11:21] <pitti> I played aorund with python3.2 this morning, and temporarily disabled pulseaudio, but reverted that
[11:21] <pitti> and installed -proposed
[11:21] <pitti> seb128: oh, I restarted lightdm a few times
[11:21] <pitti> when it got stuck, it became useless, so I "sudo stop lightdm" and start again
[11:22] <pitti> and then tried with 2d
[11:22] <pitti> perhaps that was just luck
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, for me, if I log in, out and, try to log in again it's stucked
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, oh, so it might be the same
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, it happens on second login
[11:22] <seb128> so you need to log out and try to log in again
[11:22] <seb128> then it's stucked until you restart lightdm
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, first login after restart will always work
[11:23] <seb128> the 2d or 3d is a red herring
[11:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, thanks for making that theme discussion spam stop, I should have though of unassigning the bug earlier ;-)
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:27] <seb128> ok->oh
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that was getting pretty annoying now
[11:29] <pitti> seb128: ok, *phew*, 3d works now; a couple of lightdm restarts helped
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, a couple? weird... are you sure it's not the same bug I described?
[11:30] <pitti> stopping and restarting, then trying to login hung
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, if you have a test user try to change user, log into it, log out, log in again
[11:30] <pitti> I have
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: that seems to work
[11:32] <pitti> so, it sounds related to the bug, just not the same recipe
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, ok, maybe it's account specific
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, well anyway it's on my "want to get SRU fixed" list ;-)
[11:33] <seb128> pitti, I will make sure we fix it with mterry,robert_ancell at UDS, my laptop has the issue so can debug it there
[11:33] <pitti> cool, thanks
[11:33]  * pitti dives into SRUs
[12:25] <pitti> OMG, didrocks, stop spamming ~ubuntu-sru bugs! :-)
[12:25] <didrocks> pitti: heh, and it's not finished! still 2d coming! :)
[12:26] <didrocks> pitti: you escape bamf, seb128 spotted a bad regression at the last minute :)
[12:28] <pitti> didrocks: does quickly still use the --prefix stuff from cdbs?
[12:28] <didrocks> pitti: yeah
[12:28] <pitti> ok, thanks
[12:51] <pitti> didrocks: the opt-prefix test case fails now
[12:51] <pitti> due to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/83410795/python-support_1.0.14ubuntu1_1.0.14ubuntu2.diff.gz
[12:51] <pitti> it's not caught by the buildds as this test only runs if python-support is installed
[12:52] <pitti> so that isn't working in precise any more
[12:52] <pitti> should the p-support delta be reintroduced, or the delta in cdbs dropped?
[12:53] <pitti> I guess at some point quickly needs to move to dh_python2 and perhaps add a dh_quickly or so to move the stuff around to /opt ?
[12:55] <didrocks> pitti: well, anyway, I think right now nobody is using /opt with quickly TBH
[12:55] <didrocks> pitti: and I still find this as being a hack, so moving dh_python2 will be the right choice
[12:56] <pitti> ok
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti -  can ubuntu derivatives use apport to report bugs, or is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/989632/comments/2 a limitation of mint?
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989632 in firefox "Firefox loose localization after update" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> just wondering what to tell the reporter ;)
[13:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, I never tried it on a derivative, nor heard anyone trying that, TBH
[13:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it depends on how mint set up /etc/apport/crashdb.py
[13:04] <pitti> err, .conf
[13:05] <pitti> if they left distro at "ubuntu" or set it to "mint", etc.
[13:06] <pitti> didrocks: hm, lots of the bugs that the unity SRU refers to are already "fix released"..
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: urgh, I forgot to remove the one that were cherry-picked… sorry
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: the list is normally:
[13:07] <pitti> ah, ok
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm just downloading a mint iso to have a look ;)
[13:08] <pitti> didrocks: so I guess I'll open them all again and don't send the call for testing to the closed ones
[13:08] <didrocks> bug #965323, bug #981168, bug #980828, bug #861250, bug #959339, bug #981795, bug #980544
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965323 in unity "Panel is transparent when Dash is open; no blur no average BG color" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965323
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 981168 in unity "Regression: Installing apps causes a terrible visual glitch-- have to restart X.org." [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/981168
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 980828 in unity "the shortcut keys in workspace section of the shortcut overlay aren't translated" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980828
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861250 in ayatana-design "alt-tab - quick alt + tab (before the switcher shows) not consistent" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861250
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 959339 in unity "Launcher, Alt-Tab - clicking on launcher item or selecting a app in Alt-Tab raises all app windows, not just most recently focused" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959339
[13:08] <didrocks> pitti: this is the *precise* list :)
[13:08] <pitti> didrocks: of the new ones? thanks
[13:08] <didrocks> pitti: sorry again, I putted this in a tomoboy note in my TODO for today, but as my laptop crashed
[13:09] <didrocks> pitti: right, those are the ones that are already in precise finale and can be repeated on the list
[13:09] <pitti> didrocks: no worries, I was just wondering whether something went wrong
[13:09] <didrocks> no, I tried to prepared it before ;)
[13:09] <didrocks> but well, I can see the bones of my laptop now
[13:10] <didrocks> ok, now that the SRU is done, let's send an email to dx and then on fixing the laptop for now
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> has anyone tried searching for "zerg rush" in google?
[13:13] <pitti> lol
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, downloading from PPA's is painfully slow today. i hope i can actually get the firefox 13 update tested before the weekend
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, they don't even install apport
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> they seem to be modifying files provided by our firefox package too
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> wow, they set "browser.EULA.override". they're certainly not allowed to do that :(
[13:29] <ogra_> sue them !
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, i hate the fact that we have to show it, so it's annoying when other people just go ahead and disable it
[13:31] <ogra_> yeah, you should definitely ping them about it
[13:32] <pitti> so long, have a nice weekend everyone! I'm off Mon/Tue
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> pitti - have a nice long weekend :)
[13:32] <ogra_> pitti, tanz schoen in den mai :)
[13:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, where do we find what mint is doing to our packages? ;-)
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i just installed a mint iso
[13:37] <ogra_> seb128, there was a thread (i think on warthogs) wheer the security team analyzed it
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, there was nothing useful there
[13:37] <ogra_> iirc there was a description of what mdeslaur did to find out about it
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, I read the thread
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, well I don't care about firefox, I care about all GNOME
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, I wonder if they have a unified vcs or a package archive
[13:38] <seb128> when I looked to it I failed to find a place which had easy access to all changes
[13:38] <ogra_> ah, k
[13:38] <ogra_> didnt marc say in the thread that they modified the version string for touched packages ?
[13:40] <didrocks> ok, card in the oven, 20 minutes, 180°C
[13:41] <seb128> ogra_, well, that would require me to install mint or download an iso
[13:41] <seb128> ogra_, I don't want to do that every week to watch what they did
[13:42] <seb128> ogra_, I would prefer a -changes list or a vcs or patches.mintlinux.com or something
[13:42] <ogra_> well, dont they have a ML where you can ask ?
[13:44] <seb128> ogra_, I was being lazy and figured I would ask there if somebody knows before looking further
[13:44] <seb128> seems the reply is that nobody knows
[13:44]  * ogra_ wouldnt touch mint with a 5ft pole
[13:44] <seb128> hehe
[13:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: you can look at the list of packages that they change
[13:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Maya
[13:46] <mdeslaur> they don't write anything in the changelogs though
[13:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, that list is buggy, i.e firefox is not there
[13:46] <mdeslaur> and one of the packages installs an init script that manually clobbers files and artwork on boot
[13:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: they don't modify the firefox package, they have an init script that replaces the artwork at every boot
[13:47] <seb128> urg
[13:47] <mdeslaur> +1
[13:47] <ogra_> heh
[13:47] <ogra_> efficient programming :)
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, oh, i was wondering how they modified our package
[13:49] <mdeslaur> look at the package called "mintsystem"
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> oh, wow
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> how fragile is that?
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> should i feel bad that the firefox update we pushed to oneiric breaks their customizations? ;)
[13:52] <smspillaz> didrocks: so .... are you planning on getting a new laptop any time soon? ;-)
[13:53] <kenvandine> yikie, that is craptastic :)
[13:54] <didrocks> smspillaz: I think I'll have to :)
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, i'm actually tempted to report a mint bug kindly requesting that they modify mintsystem to remove the distribution.ini from their firefox install (seeing as that contains specific info to identify canonical builds) ;)
[13:57] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: sure :)
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, oh, they already do
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> so, i wonder what happens when i upgrade firefox. i guess that their customizations are broken until a restart
[13:59] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: which package contains their firefox mangling scripts?
[13:59] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: yeah, you probably revert to ubuntu artwork until you reboot :P
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, mint-artwork-common
[14:02] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: hehe, nice: rm -rf /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/*
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, one thing we changed in this update is the layout of searchplugin installation (to match the upstream layout, so we could drop a patch we didn't really need)
[14:03] <kenvandine> that is really sad that so many people seem to be using mint considering the way they do that mangling
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> and their scripts make an assumption of the old layout
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> so that's broken now
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> they will end up with both ubuntu + mint searchplugins
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> oh well
[14:03] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh well
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe how dumb this is
[14:03] <ogra_> and that worries you because ?
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, because mint users report bugs against our package in launchpad
[14:06] <ogra_> reject them :)
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> if they tell me they use mint, i will
[14:06] <ogra_> or assign them to the mint project (assuming there is one on LP)
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> but a mint user reported a bug this morning and said he was using oneiric
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> he neglected to tell me he was using Mint 12, which is based on oneiric until his second comment
[14:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, refuse any bug non apport reported ;-)
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, that's basically what i do already
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> i should probably make that more clear at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[14:11] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: it was an apport filed bug from mint?
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, no, they can't use apport to report firefox bugs
[14:14] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, cant you put something into ubufox you could check for ?
[14:14] <ogra_> assuming they dont install ubufox indeed
[14:17] <ogra_> so if you are not sure a user runs mint you ask for the content of file "foople" and if they dotn have it you know its not ubuntu :)
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> oh, this is elegant. they have a dpkg trigger for /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/google.xml which reruns their mintsystem hack on upgrade
[14:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, stop wasting time on mint, that will not help your users ;-)
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm just interested to find out how bad mint is
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> but i'm discovering that it's so bad, it almost makes me want to vomit
[14:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, "bad enough to not use it" ;-)
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do they change the search affiliation code to their own or something?
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, they did that with the music stores
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, they completely replace our searchplugins using their init script
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can they do that?
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> but, that no longer works with the oneiric update we just published ;)
[14:41] <seb128> or do they need mozilla's agreement for that sort of changes?
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm not sure if they can do that. i don't know if they have an agreement or not
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> i'm guessing "not" by the look of some of the changes they make
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> particularly disabling the EULA, which we're obliged to show
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/robcee/status/195881656278716416 ;)
[14:45] <mdeslaur> They probably don't have an agreement for shipping the binary flash plugin in their repo either
[14:45] <seb128> hehe
[14:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, it's fun how they hide kernel upgrades and some others, they have their own scale of how much those upgrades annoy users or something
[14:46] <mdeslaur> who needs security updates, right?
[14:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like after kernel update you should reboot so they don't suggest them ;-)
[14:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, well if you have a secure system like linuxmint you don't need them for sure ;-)
[14:46] <ogra_> dont they also hide Xorg security updates as well ?
[14:47] <ogra_> probably to make sure nobody uninstalls their version that contains the keyloggers :)
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, yes, they hide xorg security updates too
[14:51] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11712141&postcount=10
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:52] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: denial! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11712615&postcount=18
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> hah!
[15:24] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[15:24] <cyphermox> seb128: hey
[15:24] <seb128> cyphermox, how are you?
[15:24] <cyphermox> good, yourself?
[15:24] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, looking most common issues reported through whoopsie on the lts
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/912948 is on the list
[15:25] <cyphermox> ok
[15:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 912948 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in refresh_ui()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, do you think there is any chance you could have a look?
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, it's in the network capplet
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102499638/Stacktrace.txt is a current version stacktrace
[15:26] <cyphermox> right, I wonder if that's what I'm just about to upload a fix to -proposed for
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, you think it's the same as the ssid one?
[15:26] <cyphermox> I think so, checking now
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, please hold off on the upload, I'm about to commit some soundnua fixes from Conor to the vcs, would be nice to have them in the same upload ;-)
[15:27] <cyphermox> yes, I was going to ask before ;)
[15:27] <cyphermox> so, maybe it's not actually the same thing after all, or the traces are too old
[15:29] <seb128> cyphermox, the one I pointed is 15 days old
[15:29] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:29] <cyphermox> it
[15:29] <cyphermox> it's not the SSID thing, but I know what this is, I think
[15:29] <seb128> ok
[15:29] <cyphermox> let's give it a shot now, brb
[15:30] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:30] <cyphermox> yeah, it's pretty easy to reproduce ;)
[15:38] <didrocks> and this is a fixed laptop again :)
[16:00] <dupondje> damn, i'm always impressed by the amount of bugs a unity upload fixes :)
[16:00] <dupondje> didrocks++ :)
[16:01] <didrocks> ;)
[16:01] <ksian> how to start GUI in ubuntu 12.04
[16:04] <Chipaca> hi all. Quick question about process: do i have to add or remove a tag when I successfully test something in -proposed?
[16:04] <dupondje> didrocks: the fix for Remmina, could that fix the issue that I was unable to maximize it on a second screen (it always tooked 2 screens then)
[16:04] <didrocks> dupondje: yeah, it can be linked to the issue you mentionned
[16:04] <didrocks> dupondje: better to test though :)
[16:06] <dupondje> nice :) will do that
[16:06] <dupondje> working a bit on improving Remmina atm :)
[16:08] <didrocks> great!
[16:08]  * didrocks waves good week-end, time for lyon's release party :)
[17:02] <dobey> Chipaca: generally the verification-needed can be changed to verification-done
[17:03] <Chipaca> dobey: done :)
[17:03] <Chipaca> dobey: thanks
[17:03] <Chipaca> i've also figured out what was breaking the server-side workaround, so all is well
[17:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there?
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah
[17:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm unhappy!
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> how come? :(
[17:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if I can't go to UDS it will be your fault :p
[17:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/firefox.png
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> oh, that doesn't look good :/
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> it did work here when i printed mine though
[17:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that's my esta, I think they will not like it :p
[17:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, their summary page printed fine, the screwed one was me doing a "print to file" of the summary screen before they asked me if I wanted to print if
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> ah, i didn't try that
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> i only saved the summary page
[17:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, joke aside there is a good chance the issue is in cairo,poppler,gtk
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, possibly :)
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how to debug that sort of issue though :/
[17:10]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson
[17:10]  * chrisccoulson hugs seb128
[17:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm not sure either, usually if you come with a testcase the cairo guys figure it out of you ;-)
[17:11] <seb128> but printing random pages doesn't have that issue
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> heh, printing the page that's broken for you seems to work here :/
[17:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you get that if you print https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/application.html ?
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> i beat you to it ;)
[17:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, :-(
[17:14] <seb128> well it reproduce the bug there, but I'm on firefox 11 still
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> ah, you're out of date already ;)
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> i should probably try with an older version actually
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> i'm on 15.0 here ;)
[17:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, epiphany prints it fine
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> ok, so it seems like it might really be a firefox issue then
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> i'd definitely try upgrading first though :)
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> i'll try with the current beta here, which is the oldest version i have ;)
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> that works too :/
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> seb128, is it just printing to pdf which is broken? ie, is the print preview broken as well?
[17:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wth?
[17:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the print preview is fine, printing from it works, if I do file, print, and print from there it's buggy
[17:20] <seb128> oh no, it's buggy this time from the print preview screen
[17:21] <seb128> hum, maybe I screwed it the first time
[17:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the print preview is fine
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you want to see if it's still an issue in the current version too?
[17:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sure, were do I get it?
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you're still in 11.0, aren't you? if so, just run a normal upgrade :)
[17:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, print to ps is fine, it's only an issue to pdf
[17:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ah, I though you meant 15 when you said "current"
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's current for me ;)
[17:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages
[17:23] <seb128> is that the right ppa if I want crack? ;-)
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that's the right one for crack
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> or https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next if you don't want as much crack ;)
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> i wish i could change the description of a PPA without launchpad timing out
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it doesn't happen with the crack version
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, iz firefox bog in 11 then
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, that's good :)
[17:31] <seb128> yeah
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you know if it happens with the beta too?
[17:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, which beta?
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, this one: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next ;)
[17:31] <seb128> 13?
[17:31] <seb128> let me try
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[17:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, works fine with 13
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, excellent, thanks
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> that's good then :)
[17:38] <seb128> yw
[17:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "good", the precise release is still buggy :p
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, well, 11 is. i'm not sure about 12, which is what we pushed out today. but if it's fixed in 13, then at least i don't have to do anything :)
[17:39] <seb128> hehe
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> and it will be fixed in precise in 6 weeks, assuming it isn't already :)
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> 6 week release processes rock ;)
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well in any case I'm glad it's a bug of firefox
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I didn't look forward debugging a cairo bug there
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> and i'm glad it's a bug that's already been fixed :)
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm sure it was a secret plan to get me to install firefox 13 and firefox-trunk 15
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah ;)
[17:43] <seb128> ;-)
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, that's better, now that precise is released. the number of downloads from the beta PPA is going up a bit faster :)
[19:12] <BigWhale> I need GStreamer 1.0 in Quantal ... :/
[19:17] <dobey> BigWhale: well at least it's not python3 :)
[19:18] <BigWhale> I'd like python3 too
[19:18] <dobey> though i guess rhythmbox getting ported to gst 1.0 for 12.10 is also a huge project
[19:18] <BigWhale> because right now, what I have is a clusterfsck of different things.
[19:18] <dobey> BigWhale: well, you already have the choice to use python3. but it's not a requirement :)
[19:18] <BigWhale> I can't
[19:19] <BigWhale> I need gstreamer 1.0 first
[19:19] <dobey> heh
[19:19] <BigWhale> beacuse there's no static gstreamer binding for python3
[19:20] <dobey> though i guess we can ship gstreamer 1.0 in main or universe but not installed by default, if all the default apps aren't ported
[19:20] <BigWhale> dobey, it would be very very nice, to have it
[19:20] <dobey> BigWhale: but you can use the GI bindings for gst 0.10 in python 3 right now, no?
[19:20] <kenvandine> dobey, nope
[19:21] <BigWhale> dobey, I was told: "Hahahahah, no."
[19:21] <BigWhale> something like that
[19:21] <dobey> well i guess you can barely use them in python 2
[19:21] <BigWhale> GI for gstreamer 0.10 is broken
[19:21] <dobey> :)
[19:21] <BigWhale> I tried
[19:21] <kenvandine> i've seen someone else complain about that too
[19:21] <dobey> s/for gstreamer 0.10//
[19:21] <BigWhale> :))
[19:22] <dobey> and makes it insanely hard to support both old versions of gtk, and the new version
[19:22] <BigWhale> Meh, someone should declare Gtk2 obsolete and stop shipping it in main :>
[19:23] <mlankhorst> BigWhale: mm.. if only gtk3 had qtcurve engine again :)
[19:23] <kenvandine> someone convince mozilla and google
[19:23] <kenvandine> and LO
[19:23] <BigWhale> All that is GTK2?
[19:23] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:23]  * BigWhale sobs quietly.
[19:23] <kenvandine> BigWhale, you can port those over the weekend, right?
[19:24] <mlankhorst> all 3 i hope :D
[19:24] <BigWhale> If I could, I'd wear a cape and my underwear over my pants ...
[19:25] <kenvandine> i'd pay good money to see that
[19:25] <BigWhale> me in a cape? or those ports?
[19:25] <BigWhale> (just making sure) ...
[19:25] <BigWhale> :))
[19:25] <mlankhorst> you doing those feats, then getting arrested
[19:25] <kenvandine> either :)
[19:26]  * mlankhorst grabs popcorn
[19:26] <BigWhale> I think I'm getting a headache. :>
[19:26] <BigWhale> I better write some code ...
[19:27] <mlankhorst> "Hold on, I'm just about to be brilliant."
[19:27] <kenvandine> of course now in my time of need, i can't find photos of ubuntu man from UDS
[19:29] <BigWhale> ubuntu man? and you're not talking about Jono in a hot-dog costume, right? that was Fedora wiener.
[19:29] <BigWhale> :>
[19:30] <kenvandine> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Precise/20221518_XQsjKJ#!i=1598156630&k=8k2tBdf
[19:30] <kenvandine> BigWhale, ^^
[19:31] <BigWhale> haha
[19:31] <BigWhale> Awesome.
[19:31] <kenvandine> a full body photo would be better
[19:31] <kenvandine> he was orange from head to toe
[19:31] <kenvandine> :)
[19:32] <kenvandine> oh and the hulk at the halloween party was awesome
[19:32] <kenvandine> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Precise/20221518_XQsjKJ#!i=1598285416&k=Hz8vN2f&lb=1&s=A
[19:32] <mlankhorst> oh my
[19:33] <mlankhorst> and his trusty sidekick on the right?
[19:37] <BigWhale> There's no PPA for GStreamer 1.0
[19:56] <dobey> bah, evil gcc
[19:57] <dobey> BigWhale: i don't think we're going to stop shipping gtk2 in main on lucid and natty :)
[19:58] <BigWhale> dobey, well, those can stay ...
[19:58] <BigWhale> ... for now! :>
[19:58] <dobey> BigWhale: yes, well, it makes it really hard for me to support them with new versions :(
[19:59]  * desrt discovers a very very very bad situation to be in with apt
[19:59] <dobey> and now gcc is already breaking some of my stuff on quantal :(
[20:00] <BigWhale> dobey, gtk3 only distribution would be nice, but I know it can't really happen anytime soon(ish)...
[20:00] <dobey> BigWhale: isn't that what elementary is?
[20:00] <dobey> though i guess they probably haven't ported all their half-done apps to gtk3 yet? :)
[20:01] <BigWhale> no idea, I never really tried it.
[20:01] <dobey> hrmm, even midori is still gtk2 though
[20:01] <BigWhale> I've turned into a full fledged fan-boy :/
[20:01] <dobey> the big problem with a gtk3 browser, is flash is still gtk2; though should be a non-issue hopefully with webkit2
[20:02] <BigWhale> what about chrome(ium)?
[20:02] <BigWhale> what do they use?
[20:04] <dobey> chrome is moving to some new thing
[20:04] <dobey> aura or something?
[20:05] <dobey> because we all need more widget sets
[20:05] <BigWhale> there world will only be happy when every one has their own widget set.
[20:06] <BigWhale> :>
[20:06] <kenvandine> one widget set per app right?
[20:06] <BigWhale> per app? pffft!
[20:06] <BigWhale> per person!
[20:14] <dobey> per IP per day
[20:27] <mlankhorst> ip != person
[21:04] <Daviey> 189406


[00:21] <nekohayo> hey there, I need to rename a hundred files or so, is there any way to not do it one by one with bazaar?
[00:29] <LeoNerd> for F in `find -name *.foo`; do bzr mv $F ${F/.foo/.bar}; done
[00:40] <nekohayo> LeoNerd: so this replaces the ".foo" string to ".bar" ? what is the ${F  for?
[00:44] <TFKyle> nekohayo: to reference the env var F (which is set to the current filename)
[00:44] <TFKyle> 'course, technically that does do it one by one
[00:50] <nekohayo> TFKyle: is there a way to do a "dry run" for this? to see what it would do without actually doing the changes
[00:53] <LaserJock> you could do "echo" instead of "bzr mv"
[00:53] <TFKyle> nekohayo: you could use echo "bzr mv $F ${F/.foo/.bar}" instead of just bzr mv,
[00:55] <nekohayo> TFKyle: hm, it just prints "bzr mv" and nothing after in the term
[00:55] <nekohayo> oh no wait :)
[00:56] <nekohayo> TFKyle, it prints this: bzr mv find -name 20070216* find -name 20070216*
[00:57] <nekohayo> the command was               for F in 'find -name 20070216*'; do echo "bzr mv $F ${F/20070216-/}"; done
[00:57] <TFKyle> nekohayo: `, not '
[00:58] <TFKyle> (for the find part)
[01:04] <nekohayo> ok, I found out the syntax                  for F in `find . -name '20070216*'`; do echo "bzr mv $F ${F/20070216-/}"; done
[01:12] <nekohayo> TFKyle: heh, when I make it echo the command it looks all fine to me (bzr mv ./20070216-gimp_ui-09.png ./gimp_ui-09.png) but when I run it, bzr says 404.
[01:23] <nekohayo> somehow, doing the rename command by hand (exactly the same input as when done through the find loop thingy), it works
[01:36] <nekohayo> ah, there needs to be no quotes near the end
[04:32] <acemo> $ bzr serve --directory=/home/acemo/development/bzr/repo --allow-writes
[04:32] <acemo>  is what am using to start my server.. from localhost i am able to do commits, but from other computer only able to update, unable to commit, getting these msges
[04:32] <acemo> added design/classDiagram.jude
[04:32] <acemo> bzr: ERROR: [Errno 13] Permission denied
[04:33] <acemo> what could be the reason of this and how to fix it?
[04:50] <spiv> acemo: when you say "from localhost", you mean via "bzr://localhost/" ?
[04:50] <spiv> If so, I have no idea what's going on.  "bzr serve" doesn't care which host you're connecting from.
[04:51] <acemo> spiv: yep bzr://localhost
[04:51] <spiv> I guess you could do "bzr -Dhpss commit ..." from the host getting the error, to see which particular command is failing.
[04:51] <spiv> (by looking in the ~/.bzr.log after it fails)
[04:53] <acemo> where in windows would the log file get placed?
[04:53] <spiv> "bzr version" will tell you
[04:54] <acemo> neatos
[05:02] <spiv> acemo: any luck?  Feel free to pastebin the relevant part of the log file.
[05:03] <acemo> spiv: friend of me is at the remote comp.. n she cant find the log file..
[05:03] <acemo> spiv: doh she was just looking for .txt
[05:04] <spiv> Ah :)
[05:06] <acemo> http://rafb.net/p/XpkL1K11.html
[05:06] <acemo> thats the full bzr.log
[05:08]  * spiv looks
[05:08] <acemo> after doing bzr checkout bzr://hostname/branch.. u can just commit and it will commit to that branch right?
[05:09] <spiv> Right.
[05:09] <spiv> It's not failing on a network operation.
[05:09] <spiv> It's failing trying to read a file in the working tree on disk, if I'm reading that traceback correctly.
[05:09] <acemo> yeah i saw that too...
[05:10] <spiv> Check the permissions/attributes on design/caseDiagram.jude, maybe?
[05:10] <acemo> she just created and bzr add them on her comp..
[05:11] <spiv> Right.  But it seems for some reason that bzr can't read it.
[05:14] <spiv> So I'd expect e.g. "bzr diff design/caseDiagram.jude" to fail too.
[05:15] <spiv> (And that operation doesn't need the network server)
[05:16] <acemo> we found the problem..
[05:16] <acemo> she still had jude open, jude locked the file while having it in use
[05:16] <acemo> thanks alot!
[05:16] <spiv> Ah!
[05:16] <spiv> Glad I could help :)
[05:17] <spiv> That error could be clearer, though.  It would have helped for it to say which file it couldn't read.
[05:18] <acemo> was pretty clear tbh.. right after it prints out what file its processing it says it doesnt has permissions
[05:18] <acemo> just i thought it was no permission on the server instead of local comp
[05:18] <spiv> Right, it's clear if you already know where the problem is :)
[05:18] <acemo> :p
[10:46] <jelmer> Odd_Bloke, cr3: externals will hopefully be supported once nested tree support in bzr gets merged
[11:11] <vila> abentley: ping, BB flooding my mailox with 'voting error' messages and may be restarting also...
[11:13] <vila> One mail is emitted every 3 minutes, this metronomic precision making me suspect a restart ;-) I voted directly on site hoping to somehow solve the problem, but no luck...
[11:28] <jelmer> mathrick: I'd be happy to answer questions wrt rebase
[11:28] <jelmer> *internals
[12:58] <cammoblammo> Is there an easy way (ie shell agnostic) way to specify directories or files which shouldn't be committed in a tree?
[13:00] <Peng> .bzrignore?
[13:01] <cammoblammo> Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. It might do the trick.
[13:01] <Peng> Or, just list the stuff you want to commit?
[13:02] <Peng> Hm, most hg commands have include/exclude options. Maybe bzr should support that.
[13:03] <cammoblammo> I have a top level tree with several directories in it. One of those directories will be committed hourly via a cron, while the others will be committed as needed. Having to specify the directories to commit every time will be a pain.
[13:04] <cammoblammo> .bzrignore might work, but I'll have to unignore it as part of the cron job.
[13:09] <Peng> Huh.
[13:09] <Peng> Note that you don't have to commit .bzrignore before changes to it will be used.
[13:10] <Peng> You might be able to kludge something together using .bzrignore.
[13:10] <Peng> hg-like exclude stuff would be better.
[13:10] <Peng> Well, sort of.
[13:11] <jelmer> Peng: afaik bzr's .bzrignore supports regexes which can do exclusion stuff
[13:11] <jelmer> not that I've ever used it..
[13:11] <Peng> Yeah, it does.
[13:12] <cammoblammo> How does that work?
[13:12] <Peng> Not that I've ever used it either..
[13:13] <cammoblammo> The problem isn't the ignoring the directory, but the unignoring of it. Also, versioned files aren't ignored.
[13:13] <Peng> Oh, right, they aren't ignored. I totally forgot that.
[13:15] <cammoblammo> I'll kludge something together in the shell for now. If an exclude option is ever added, though, I'll definitely be a happy camper!
[13:20] <Odd_Bloke> cammoblammo: Open a bug for it, if there isn't one already.
[13:20] <Odd_Bloke> Else it'll get lost in the ether.
[13:22] <cammoblammo> Will do.
[13:32] <cammoblammo> Argh, sorry folks. I forgot to search for this bug before I submitted. Turns out several other people have asked for it too. Sorry devs...
[13:35] <emgent> heya
[13:36] <Odd_Bloke> emgent: Hi.
[13:36] <dwt> Hey guys
[13:37] <dwt> I'm using (trying to use) bzr-svn to push to a subversion repository
[13:37] <dwt> when doing so I get this error:
[13:37] <dwt> Setting property 'bzr:revision-id:v3-single-open-source/animated-grid' with invalid characters in name
[13:37] <dwt> bzr: ERROR: libsvn._core.SubversionException: ('Mindestens eine Eigenschafts"anderung ist fehlgeschlagen; Projektarchiv nicht ge"andert', 175008)
[13:37] <dwt> Which I think (reading the code) means that it barfs on the "/" in the property name.
[13:37] <dwt> Well, thats where I'm a bit stuck...
[13:38] <dwt> Can anyone help me get rid of this or debug this further?
[13:40] <jelmer> dwt: What version of bzr-svn are you using?
[13:40] <dwt> 0.4.8
[13:40] <jelmer> there was a bug like that that was fixed in 0.4.9
[13:40] <dwt> Ah cool, you're the developer. :-)
[13:41] <dwt> Great work by the way. :)
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> cammoblammo: None of the other bugs are _quite_ the same request (as they are command-specific, rather than 'this should generally exist').
[13:42] <dwt> Yeah I'm on 0.4.8 I just updated this morning to the latest released version - had that bug in the last version (0.4.8 too, but with a less expressive error message)
[13:44] <jelmer> dwt: 0.4.9 is the latest released version and should no longer contain this bug
[13:44] <jelmer> you may have to throw away your local state (~/.bazaar/subversion.conf) though
[13:44] <dwt> Does it work with bzr. 1.3.1?
[13:44] <dwt> I'm not quite ready to go to 1.4 yet...
[13:45] <jelmer> yes, it works with 1.3
[13:45] <dwt> oh dang.. sorry about that, but I am on 0.4.9
[13:46] <dwt> So the bug is still present
[13:46] <dwt>   svn                  /Users/dwt/.bazaar/plugins/svn [0.4.9]
[13:47] <jelmer> you may have to throw away your local state (~/.bazaar/subversion.conf) though
[13:48] <dwt> ok, I'l try that
[13:49] <dwt> indeed that changes the output
[13:50] <dwt> now I'm getting this : "bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  Try using "merge" and then "push"." which ges me a bit, as I'm sure I didn't commit to these directories from anywhere else
 and trying "bzr merge" then gives "bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified."
[13:53]  * dwt is off to the manual to find out how to get the correct merge base revision.
[13:54] <ubotu> New bug: #223042 in bzr "Feature request: Exclude option for some commands" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223042
[13:59] <cammoblammo> Odd_Bloke: Phew!!
[14:00] <jelmer> dwt: You may have to recreate your local branch :-(
[14:01] <jelmer> dwt: this is part of the bugfix
[14:01] <dwt> :-/
[14:01] <dwt> jelmer: Is there a way to get the changes I did locally out of the bzr repo into the new branch?
[14:01] <dwt> apart from using diff and patch directly?
[14:02] <jelmer> dwt: the "replay" and "rebase" commands in the rebase plugin should be able to help you
[14:02] <dwt> thanks I'l look into them
[14:19] <dwt> jelmer: I'm a bit confused by the documentaton of the rebase plugin
[14:20] <dwt> it seems it does the exact oposite of what I want
[14:20] <jelmer> you should be able to create a new copy of the branch in svn
[14:20] <dwt> [x] done
[14:20] <jelmer> and then run "bzr replay" from there for each revision in your previous local branch that you would like to import
[14:21] <dwt> ah...
[14:21] <dwt> The important bit is not to try to use rebase. :-)
[14:21] <dwt> Thanks a bunch, I'l see what I can get done this way.
[14:29] <dwt> Yehaw. Thanks jelmer! Now I got the commit working to svn. :-)
[14:29] <dwt> On to the next question: Is there a way to make bzr remember the pasword for the svn server? Preferably in the mac os x keychain... :-)
[14:32] <jelmer> dwt: bzr-svn should already be using the os x keychain but unfortunately there are some bindings missing
[14:33] <jelmer> (python-subversion doesn't contain bindings for the os x keychain yet)
[14:33] <dwt> damn.
[14:33] <dwt> Is that going to be included in 1.5?
[14:36] <jelmer> doubt it - nobody has done the patch for that yet afaik
[14:37] <jelmer> you can still use the trick described in the FAQ though
[14:46] <dwt> whois jelmer
[14:46] <dwt> ups, sorry
[14:46] <jelmer> I'm jelmer (-:
[14:47] <dwt> :-) Yeah, I wanted to get your correct lastname to give credit on my blog
[14:48] <dwt> got it
[14:56] <abentley> vila: My apologies for the spam.
[15:05] <jelmer> dwt: ah, cool
[15:06] <dwt> :-) You're welcome jelmer
[17:42] <awmcclain> Hey all... what's the command to change the branch's remembered location?
[17:46] <radix> awmcclain: pass --remember to push or pull
[19:41] <vila> abentley: no worries, BB is a good friend. You recognize *real* good friends in that, at least once, they deceive you :-)
[20:03] <abentley> vila: :-)
[21:31] <epsy> hi
[21:31] <epsy> i'm getting problems getting a repository to work properly
[21:31] <beuno_> epsy, what problems are you having?
[21:32] <epsy> whenever i try to co from it (bzr+ssh://) i get this:
[21:32] <epsy> bash: line 1: bzr: command not found
[21:32] <epsy> i had the same problem locally, because i had bzr installed in my home dir
[21:32] <epsy> so i've put an alias in my ~/.bashrc
[21:33] <beuno_> epsy, do you have bzr installed remotely?
[21:33] <epsy> yes
[21:33] <beuno_> bzr+ssh invokes bzr on the other end too
[21:33] <epsy> when i just said locally, i meant locally on the server, heh
[21:33] <beuno_> epsy, and how about locally?
[21:34] <epsy> so i shall try with ssh:// alone?
[21:34] <epsy> beuno_, on my computer?
[21:34] <beuno_> it seems you are missing bzr on one of the ends  :)
[21:34] <beuno_> epsy, yeap
[21:34] <beuno_> try ssh://
[21:34] <beuno_> or sftp even
[21:34] <epsy> ssh:// --> unsupported
[21:35] <beuno_> epsy, sftp
[21:35] <epsy> oh, i'll have to install paramiko, this will take a little while
[21:35] <beuno_> epsy, or use http, if you have access via http
[21:35] <epsy> i don't want this repo to be accessible via http
[21:35] <epsy> :)
[21:35] <beuno_> brb, I don'nt know why I'm here twice  :p
[21:36] <beuno_> epsy, try and ssh to the remote machine
[21:36] <beuno_> and run:  bzr version
[21:36] <beuno_> and make sure it runs correctly
[21:38] <epsy> hm, cya? :)
[21:39] <epsy> wb
[21:39] <epsy> $ bzr version
[21:39] <epsy> Bazaar (bzr) 1.3.1
[21:39] <beuno> :)
[21:39] <beuno> hrm
[21:39] <epsy> [goes forth with more details]
[21:39] <beuno> both locally and remotely?
[21:39] <epsy> note that bzr is aliased
[21:39] <epsy> on the remote machine i mean
[21:40] <epsy>  $ grep "bzr" ~/.bashrc
[21:40] <epsy> alias bzr="python2.4 ~/bin/bzr"
[21:42] <beuno> epsy, well, I can't think of anything else then. If you bzr command works fine on both ends, you shouldn't be getting a command not found
[21:43] <epsy> i am trying with ftp:// right now
[21:44] <epsy> $ bzr co<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:44] <epsy> FTP<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[21:44] <epsy> /  0/0
[21:44] <epsy> looks like stuck
[21:44] <beuno> epsy, might take a while if the repo is big
[21:45] <epsy> 2 revisions yet
[21:45] <epsy> :P
[21:46] <epsy> beuno, is there a way i can tell my bzr client which bzr command to use on the other end?
[21:48] <Verterok> epsy: BZR_REMOTE_PATH=~/bin/bzr
[21:48] <beuno> hey Verterok  :)
[21:48] <Verterok> beuno: hi :)
[21:49] <epsy> hi and thank you very much :)
[21:49] <Verterok> epsy: Hi, np ;)
[21:49] <abentley> epsy: There is also a configuration variable: bzr_remote_path.  I think this is better to use, because it can be specified on a per-location basis.
[21:49] <epsy> really?
[21:49] <epsy> wow, neat
[21:49] <abentley> Yep, see bzr help configure.
[21:49] <epsy> okay
[21:49] <abentley> bzr help configuration, I should say
[21:50] <epsy> haha
[21:50] <Verterok> abentley: Hi, and thanks for the tip (I wasn't aware of it) :)
[21:50] <abentley> Verterok: Hi, and np.
[21:51] <thumper> morning
[21:53] <thumper> abentley: I see you had a prolific weekend
[21:54] <abentley> thumper: Heh, still having my weekend.  Might get some moe fixes for fetch ready.
[22:25] <epsy> the documentation on the authentication.conf file isn't very clear
[22:25] <epsy> there's an example:
[22:26] <epsy> [myprojects]
[22:26] <epsy> scheme=ftp
[22:26] <epsy> host=host.com
[22:26] <epsy> user=joe
[22:26] <epsy> password=secret
[22:26] <epsy> what would i put intead of myprojects?
[22:26] <frsk> wild guess; the path to your project
[22:26] <epsy> local path?
[22:27] <frsk> maybe
[22:27] <frsk> I'm just gessing :)
[22:27] <frsk> guessing
[22:34] <epsy> blah it's still prompting me for a password, are there characters i need to excape?
[22:34] <epsy> escape*
[23:02] <igc> morning


[01:52] <juzCnc_> Hi guys, is there a way to install a display port driver for unbuntu 10.04?
[02:05] <juzCnc_> What should I be looking into to do backporting for graphic drivers?


[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:58] <ducasse> good morning
[08:29] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[08:37] <ducasse> morn
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> I have updated the GB dictionary!!!!!
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> Mozilla + BlueGriffon + LibreOffice/OpenOffice
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> now I can dedicate my time to other tasks for a few days
[09:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:20] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: Hi
[09:20] <lordievader> Morning marcoagpinto


[08:05] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 24 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team Mentor | 25 Feb 18:00: LoCo Team | 27 Feb 00:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 21:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 19:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 21:00: Edubuntu
[09:02] <atoponce> @schedule
[09:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 24 Feb 21:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team Mentor | 25 Feb 17:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 23:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 20:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 18:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 20:00: Edubuntu
[09:48] <boredandblogging> is there an agenda for this meeting?
[09:50] <FunnyLookinHat> see wiki page
[09:50] <FunnyLookinHat> wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams
[09:51] <boredandblogging> tahnks
[09:58] <atoponce> who's here for the meeting?
[09:59] <boredandblogging> me
[10:00] <atoponce> nixternal: ?
[10:00] <nixternal> yo yo
[10:00] <SVLUG-Pres> I've been asked to represent the California ubuntu team.
[10:00] <nixternal> oh meeting time
[10:00] <nixternal> lol
[10:00] <Zelut> Rinchen: remind me to ask you a few questions about that darter before we all disappear.
[10:00] <Rinchen> wilco
[10:01] <atoponce> hold on. my wife is coming
[10:01] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm here
[10:01] <FunnyLookinHat> (now)
[10:01] <atoponce> cool
[10:02] <atoponce> well, i guess we'll get started
[10:02] <atoponce> i'm going to be frank. i've just gotten out of 4 hours of meetings, thus far, so i'm getting a bit tired
[10:02] <atoponce> as such, if there are no objections, i'll keep this short.
[10:03] <ktoponce> amen
[10:03] <FunnyLookinHat> :)
[10:03] <chuckf> if you insist
[10:03] <atoponce> there are a few things to cover, though
[10:03] <chuckf> :)
[10:03] <Rinchen> ktoponce, welcome Mrs Bubbly. :-)
[10:03] <FunnyLookinHat> Weren't we going to discuss giving me the role of being head of all North America Loco teams?
[10:03] <FunnyLookinHat> I could have swore that was on the agenda....
[10:03] <atoponce> Rinchen: be nice to my wife. :)
[10:04] <Rinchen> atoponce, I was. :-)  Good to see her again...in a manner of speaking.
[10:04] <ktoponce> Rinchen, hey!  it's good to be here
[10:04] <atoponce> i'm teaching her ubuntu
[10:04] <FunnyLookinHat> howdy ktoponce    : )
[10:04] <atoponce> she's a good student
[10:04] <atoponce> :)
[10:04] <ktoponce> it is quite fascinating
[10:04] <atoponce> ok. anyway...
[10:04] <boredandblogging> can I suggest a topic that might be useful to LoCos starting up?
[10:04] <atoponce> first on the agenda: Current progress of the project
[10:04] <atoponce> boredandblogging: sure. :)
[10:05] <boredandblogging> money
[10:05] <atoponce> ?
[10:05] <boredandblogging> people are talking about buying tshirts and stuff
[10:05] <boredandblogging> are LoCos supposed to come with money to buy stuff like that?
[10:05] <boredandblogging> or get sponsors?
[10:05] <atoponce> as a loco, you can setup a finance account, if you want
[10:06] <atoponce> you would need to come up with the resources to get the money to use for your team though
[10:06] <Zelut> boredandblogging: the Utah Team has never done that. Anything has been by donation or at-your-own-cost.
[10:06] <atoponce> afaik, there aren't any finacial resources from canonical or ubuntu officially
[10:06] <atoponce> Zelut: exactly
[10:06] <boredandblogging> ok, makes sense, is that made clear on the wiki somewhere?
[10:06] <atoponce> not sure
[10:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Sort of: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[10:07] <FunnyLookinHat> That provides information for Canonical providing resources to LoCos _only_ for conferences.
[10:07] <CgiSoft> I think another topic that deserves some attention is the use of open source software by the government
[10:07] <Rinchen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDealingWithMoney
[10:07] <Rinchen> although Mark and I never finished it
[10:07] <atoponce> Rinchen: perfect. thx
[10:08] <Rinchen> So please feel free to enhance it
[10:08] <Zelut> there are many topics we could discuss and need discussing but I think the agenda needs to be hit first.
[10:08] <atoponce> Zelut: yeah.
[10:08] <boredandblogging> ok, thanks, thats all I had
[10:08] <CgiSoft> personally, I don't think we should our security to a network of rouge computer programmers who work without the motivation of money (what motivates them?)
[10:08] <atoponce> if no one objects, i'm going to go through the agenda as outlined on our wiki page
[10:08] <nixternal> go go go
[10:08] <FunnyLookinHat> atoponce, please do.
[10:08] <CgiSoft> we do not know how many terrorists are part of the ubuntu project
[10:09] <atoponce> CgiSoft: wait until after i get through the agenda, if you don't mind
[10:09] <atoponce> current progress: how is that coming along? does anyone have any questions about the mentoring process?
[10:10] <atoponce> we have the list where you can add your nme as a mentor, but there aren't any teams being mentored.... :)
[10:10] <nixternal> atoponce: I will be available to mentor more starting the middle of March. Right now I am currently strapped with Feisty work prior to freezes
[10:10] <atoponce> ahh
[10:10] <atoponce> np
[10:10] <chuckf> atoponce, I'm in the early stages of getting a MD loco team together. Who should I talk to first?
[10:10] <nixternal> chuckf: talk to me if you like. I used to live in SoMD
[10:11] <SVLUG-Pres> atoponce: can you please share URL of agenda wiki page? for those of us who'd like to read ahead?
[10:11] <atoponce> chuckf: nixternal: perfect
[10:11] <atoponce> thx
[10:11] <CgiSoft> I read on the underground news outlets that the defence department is currently contracting with open source software companies to install 20,000 open source toilets in the pentagon. this may sound like a conspiracy theory, if you start seeing an outbreak of toilet seat spreaded diseases, remember you heard it first on #ubuntu-meeting
[10:11] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams
[10:11] <chuckf> nixternal, thanks
[10:11] <sn9> marko: thanx for showing up
[10:11] <Zelut> chuckf: make sure you check out #ubuntu-us for regular help with teams.
[10:11] <nixternal> CgiSoft: please stay on-topic
[10:11] <marko> hi
[10:11] <atoponce> CgiSoft: please refrain until after the meet
[10:12] <CgiSoft> but I have to go to work in 10 minutes
[10:12] <nixternal> !ops
[10:12] <atoponce> i would like to say that the Kentucky team is off to a great start
[10:12] <CgiSoft> 4 werdz 4 u: I love this company yehaa!
[10:12] <atoponce> CgiSoft: PLEASE STOP
[10:13] <Joe_CoT> i'm here, sorry i'm late. i'm caught on what's been said thus far
[10:13] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: cool
[10:13] <Joe_CoT> the NJ loco team isn't quite off the ground yet. I emailed most of the NJ LUGs, no response except for people at njit
[10:13] <atoponce> with kentucky, they have a good team built, mailing list, wiki, launchpad, forums, everything
[10:14] <atoponce> they are having meetings in both irc and in person
[10:14] <atoponce> so, my point is, that this mentoring project works
[10:14] <atoponce> and works well
[10:15] <atoponce> other teams that need attention: california, new jersey, washington/oregon/pnw, maryland
[10:15] <atoponce> any i missed
[10:15] <atoponce> ?
[10:16] <nixternal> Rinchen: it is to late for that,
[10:16] <marko> hi, california here... is there a sort of template or program we can get ideas from?
[10:16] <atoponce> !ops
[10:16] <Joe_CoT> okay then
[10:17] <atoponce> if we could get ops to moderate as needed...
[10:17] <tsmithe> i think ops is borken...
[10:17] <Zelut> sounds like the mentoring is doing a very good job in these early stages.
[10:17] <atoponce> marko: you will want to get in contact with SVLUG-Pres and sn9
[10:17] <marko> yes, I am.
[10:17] <atoponce> i would like to see the california team up and running soon
[10:17] <sn9> he already has been
[10:17] <atoponce> marko: sn9: cool
[10:17] <atoponce> any progress?
[10:18] <SVLUG-Pres> :-) we're all trying to figure out what needs to be done next.
[10:18] <marko> ok, we'll collaborate.
[10:18] <sn9> marko is mark weisler, not mark nielsen, btw
[10:18] <atoponce> ok. cool. we can get you rolling in #ubuntu-us. basically, setting up the necessary online resources
[10:18] <atoponce> anyone willing to mentor california?
[10:19] <sn9> i sent an e-mail to mark nielsen regarding access to the mailing list archive on his server. no response yet
[10:19] <Zelut> I'm not assigned to mentor anyone yet.  I can help.
[10:19] <atoponce> Zelut: cool
[10:19] <SVLUG-Pres> afaik we have a mailinglist migration to complete. Beyond that, I'm unsure what else need to occur.  I know I can rally support from the SVLUG membership for various bay area projects.
[10:19] <atoponce> cool
[10:19] <sn9> a website or such needs to be set up
[10:20] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: marko: sn9: get with Zelut post meet, and he'll get you on the right track to get the team going
[10:20] <marko> are there good examples of such websites?
[10:20] <SVLUG-Pres> awesome!
[10:20] <FunnyLookinHat> marko, see wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingWebsite
[10:20] <sn9> mark nielsen's todo page on the wiki has more ideas, but it's far from complete
[10:20] <marko> ok, thanks...
[10:20] <sn9> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam
[10:20] <FunnyLookinHat> marko, under the section: decide on content
[10:21] <atoponce> sweet. so it's looks like we have california and maryland mentored
[10:21] <Zelut> super.
[10:21] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: how is the progress of new jersey?
[10:21] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: do you need a mentor
[10:21] <atoponce> nixternal: thx for stopping by
[10:21] <Joe_CoT> atoponce: it's not great. I've got the resources set up, just not the people
[10:22] <sn9> however, getting the word out to SoCal might be somewhat cumbersome
[10:22] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: what resources do you have in place
[10:22] <atoponce> ?
[10:22] <FunnyLookinHat> sn9, you guys will probably want to consider finding a local leader/organizer for socal, norcal, and somewhere around SLO
[10:23] <Joe_CoT> atoponce: the irc channel's up, the mailing list, i've got a subforum on ubuntuforums, the wiki page is up
[10:23] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: cool. how about a domain page?
[10:23] <sn9> FunnyLookinHat: that's what i thought, but marko made an interesting alternate proposal
[10:24] <Joe_CoT> I recently moved hosts in a hurry, so I'm waiting for someone with dns access to change the ip for nj.ubuntu-us.org. I had a site setup, but was basically just a mirror of what was on the wiki. once i get the dns again i'm probably going to make it a redirect to the wiki page for now
[10:24] <atoponce> Rinchen: would you be available to mentor nj by chance? if not, i can
[10:24] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: ok. cool
[10:25] <Joe_CoT> if anyone can change the dns, btw, that'd be great :)
[10:25] <marko> FunnyLookinHat: we will definitely include and reach out to SoCal et al. I'm going down there next week.
[10:25] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: ok. hang out in #ubunu-us, and we'll get that set
[10:25] <Rinchen> atoponce, sure, glad to help.
[10:25] <FunnyLookinHat> marko, very cool!
[10:25] <atoponce> i think we need to talk to smurf about the dns
[10:25] <atoponce> not sure though
[10:25] <atoponce> Rinchen: thx man!
[10:25] <sn9> marko: i was referring to what you said about svlug membership
[10:25] <Joe_CoT> atoponce: his away message says he's gone for the week.
[10:26] <marko> sn9: yes, that also
[10:26] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: ok. we'll get it resolved
[10:26] <Joe_CoT> it's not a huge deal if it takes a bit. i'm sending out the wiki page, not the website url
[10:26] <atoponce> ok
[10:26] <sn9> marko: tell Zelut about your idea
[10:26] <atoponce> next item on the agenda: reminder of project goals
[10:27] <atoponce> Rinchen: are we still on the same page that this is to be a guidance-based project, and not a government-based team?
[10:27] <atoponce> there were a couple confusing emails that surfaced, and i just want to make sure that nothing has changed
[10:27] <Rinchen> atoponce, for the benefit of everyone, let me add some text there...
[10:27] <atoponce> sounds good
[10:28] <Rinchen> My mailing list post was a reply to Jono's request for Governance. It was a suggestion, a suggestion only. :-)
[10:28] <Rinchen> Zelut and I have talked a bit about.
[10:28] <Rinchen> Zelut and you, atoponce, are in charge of us-teams so it's whatever you want.
[10:28] <Zelut> Rinchen: I didn't ever get my reply out to you
[10:28] <marko> sn9: do you mean the program, agenda, curriculum discussion?
[10:29] <Rinchen> For the record, I favour a loose affiliation and not a governance group.
[10:29] <atoponce> Rinchen: does jono want to see the team goverened?
[10:29] <sn9> marko: and the svlug connection
[10:29] <Zelut> I think, if that is the general consensus, then we already have a guidance based 'council'
[10:30] <Zelut> I don't want any type of overlying leadership to the teams but a, or a few, core people as primary contacts and guides is helpful
[10:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Agreed.
[10:31] <Rinchen> atoponce, the last information I have from Jono indicates he wants a US Governance group.
[10:31] <atoponce> hmmm
[10:31] <chuckf> I think that there needs to be some sort of structure to lead the group as a whole,
[10:31] <Rinchen> Zelut, +1
[10:32] <Rinchen> I understand both Jono's viewpoint and Zelut's.
[10:32] <atoponce> it's tough, because the guidance system, as we i think all agree, is superior to governance
[10:32] <Zelut> atoponce and myself have been trying to lead, but mainly by example.. not giving orders.  I think that meets both camps needs.
[10:32] <chuckf> but when you guide without leadership of some sort it can quickly devolve to chaos
[10:32] <Rinchen> Since Jono has not been available as of late nor made any recent comments, I'd like to suggest that we table the governance discussion and continue on with Guidance/Mentoring as planned.
[10:32] <Zelut> a few people to be seen as central contacts, and framework builders.
[10:33] <atoponce> i'm ok with a council, as long as we keep US Teams a project, and not a team
[10:33] <atoponce> Rinchen: sounds good
[10:33] <atoponce> my wife got bored. :)
[10:33] <Zelut> wonder why
[10:33] <Joe_CoT> meetings will do that
[10:34] <atoponce> ok. next agend item: ideas for exposure
[10:34] <atoponce> how can we get the word out about US Teams?
[10:34] <atoponce> this is probably the same problem that new teams face
[10:34] <atoponce> how to get exposed
[10:34] <marko> ...through existing LUGs is a start.
[10:34] <atoponce> we want new state teams to know about the resources available
[10:34] <H264> maybe provide a nice little logo for all of our websites so ppl can click on it :)
[10:35] <atoponce> marko: yeah. local lugs is a great place
[10:35] <Zelut> marko: contacting and working with existing lugs will be the best start, yes.
[10:35] <FunnyLookinHat> I think H264 has a good idea, a little image that says something like "Member of the US LoCo Teams Project" that would link to the usteams wiki page
[10:35] <atoponce> i was also thinking of maybe putting a link to the wiki in our forums signature?
[10:35] <chuckf> how about computer shows/fairs/whatever you call them locally
[10:35] <boredandblogging> a lot of colleges have lugs that aren't tied to city/state lugs and they should be contacted as well
[10:35] <marko> ...also not to be felt as competing with local LUGs but rather reinforcing them, helping them.
[10:36] <atoponce> marko: yeah
[10:36] <chuckf> atoponce, but if they're in the forums, likely they know about the loco teams
[10:36] <marko> yes on shows...SCALE was excellent.
[10:36] <Rinchen> atoponce, re: word out - what about Ubuntu Live?  We can try the UWN if it restarts.  We can also put out a notice on the Fridge.
[10:36] <Zelut> marko: exactly.  we're not making any new lugs but supporting and working with *all* the lugs to an ubuntu specific level
[10:36] <Joe_CoT> chuckf: not necessarily. a lot of people are on the forums for support. it could help
[10:36] <atoponce> Rinchen: perfect. didn't think about ubuntu live. my wife and i plan on being there
[10:37] <Zelut> Rinchen: I would like to get as many loco members together at Ubuntu Live as we can.
[10:37] <christinaeater> re: existing lugs: i may be naive, but i feel like a loco team should ideally be a component of the local lug
[10:37] <atoponce> nixternal has been my (and probably everyone else's) contact for the fridge
[10:37] <marko> I'm making a short _paper_ brochure on Linux and FOSS to put in places like libraries, our Computer History Museum...
[10:37] <Rinchen> atoponce, if you want, contact the normal Ubuntu Live email address (failing that give me a jingle) and ask about a booth
[10:37] <atoponce> Rinchen: will do
[10:37] <atoponce> sweet
[10:37] <Zelut> christinaeater: a loco team--at least my loco team--has mainly worked to improve lugs
[10:37] <marko> and places where "normal" people might pick up clues about Linux, FOSS, and Ubunut.
[10:38] <atoponce> but, how do you get US Teams exposure, by announcing them to local lugs?
[10:38] <Zelut> another thing ubuntu-utah is doing (and this would be limited to any team with ubuntu members) is including business cards with printed CDs that offer links to the loco resources.
[10:39] <marko> I want to reach out to high school principals, vice-principals, churches, who don't otherwise go looking for us.
[10:39] <atoponce> for example, how do i get massachussettes, per se, involved with US Teams by using a local lug?
[10:39] <marko> ...might not know about Linux but are getting tired of proprietary upgrade$
[10:40] <Rinchen> FunnyLookinHat, not sure this would help much but perhaps you might consider a direct link to the us-teams project from the new Ubuntu-Rocks.org site
[10:40] <Zelut> atoponce: ...?
[10:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Rinchen, I was thinking of having mitch add that...  one of the reasons I pinged him  : )
[10:40] <Rinchen> Good man. :-)
[10:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Rinchen, I'll email him when this is done
[10:40] <marko> atoponce: write a short brochure and give it to the people above, the PTA, public library foyers, etc.
[10:40] <Joe_CoT> marko: those might be people that would be interested in Ubuntu, but not necessarily active enough to work on a LoCo team. the LUG route is probably the best start, if i can get a hold of them.
[10:41] <atoponce> marko: but there is already a utah team
[10:41] <atoponce> marko: see what i'm saying?
[10:41] <Rinchen> For atoponce, Zelut, and everyone else, we're redesigning ubuntu-rocks.org presently so if there is a possibility we can help you, please contact FunnyLookinHat
[10:41] <Zelut> Rinchen: what are you using for the redesign?
[10:41] <atoponce> Rinchen: will do. i'll make sure my requests are a pain too. ;)
[10:41] <atoponce> jk
[10:42] <Zelut> atoponce: I'm not sure what you're asking
[10:42] <Rinchen> Zelut, we'll talk offline on that one. Whole series of mock-ups.  FunnyLookinHat would be a good one to ping on #ubuntu-us later.
[10:42] <Rinchen> (otherwise we won't get thru this meeting)
[10:42] <atoponce> Zelut: i asked how to get exposure for the US Teams Project. how can announcing to my local lugs about it, get other states informed?
[10:42] <chuckf> one issue about going after lugs is that they tend to be distro neutral, or at least try to be
[10:43] <Zelut> atoponce: I have no idea. I wouldn't think it would.
[10:43] <atoponce> Zelut: exactly
[10:43] <atoponce> so, how are they benificial?
[10:43] <Rinchen> Has anyone thought about contacting Joe (Zonker) or others to do a write up on Linux.com/Distrowatch/etc.
[10:43] <atoponce> i would like to see exposure on a national level
[10:43] <Zelut> chuckf: they do tend to be neutral but I've found many of them do use Ubuntu, and those people are the makeup of the loco
[10:43] <atoponce> ubuntuforums, ubuntu live, uwn, blogging, things like that would probably have a big outreach
[10:44] <H264> I would think if you maybe looked into the smaller computer shops, they might be willing to distrabute this kind of stuff, and ppl would trust them
[10:44] <atoponce> Rinchen: i havent
[10:44] <Rinchen> atoponce, might be good. He's here in the Denver area.  http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about-me/
[10:44] <Zelut> if everyone on the planet posts about it it'll get more notice
[10:44] <chuckf> digg?
[10:44] <Rinchen> Zelut, very true
[10:45] <atoponce> Rinchen: rock on! perfect contact
[10:45] <H264> nobody does to postes, the normal ppl goto computer shops (I would think)
[10:45] <atoponce> i'm planning on posting about ubuntu-us fairly often
[10:45] <Zelut> its a little offtopic for my blog but it wont hurt.
[10:45] <atoponce> any other ideas? Rinchen seems to have the cat in the bag in this area
[10:46] <atoponce> that might not be the best term
[10:46] <Zelut> I had the idea of transforming ubuntu-us.org into a teams specific planet & portal
[10:46] <Joe_CoT> Zelut: +1 on that. Better than having it as a placeholder page
[10:46] <chuckf> Zelut, that's a great idea
[10:47] <Zelut> one-stop shop for seeing what teams are up to and finding your local team.
[10:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I agree as well.
[10:47] <atoponce> Zelut: +1
[10:47] <Rinchen> Zelut, ubuntu-rocks can physically sponsor that. I owe the domain but FunnyLookinHat controls the content.
[10:47] <Joe_CoT> Zelut: someone goes to ubuntu-us.org loco for LoCo teams near them, not a placeholder
[10:47] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: yeah.
[10:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I think that was the vision of ubuntu-rocks.org at one point...   but it would be better at ubuntu-us.org
[10:47] <Zelut> right. it'd feed, just like the planet, from each team site & also have prominent links to each team at state.ubuntu-us.org
[10:48] <atoponce> i like that idea
[10:48] <atoponce> smurf controls the domain, yes?
[10:48] <SVLUG-Pres> atoponce: re exposure for US teams project - we could begin a "loco lug wildfire initiative" where LUGs that support a given loco team (as SVLUG supports the CA team) would contact a half-dozen other LUGs (...anywhere?) with a scripted introduction and URLs where they can follow up and get involved.
[10:48] <boredandblogging> Zelut, I'd like to help out with the ubuntu-us.org if you need help
[10:48] <Joe_CoT> It'd help lugs not think I'm just some nut asking them to join a ubuntu team :D
[10:48] <H264> well, I don't think Linux, or lots of others will get very far if not provided some way (even flyers I think would work) to the local computer shops
[10:48] <Zelut> boredandblogging: great. we'll just need access to the domain and we'll get it going.
[10:49] <H264> but that's just my thoughs
[10:49] <Rinchen> ubuntu-rocks is mine but is for the benefit of Colorado (and other Teams).
[10:49] <Zelut> I've setup a few planets so it should be juick
[10:49] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: good idea
[10:49] <Zelut> *quick
[10:49] <atoponce> cool
[10:49] <atoponce> i think that'll be big
[10:50] <Zelut> well if we can get access to it I'm all over it
[10:50] <atoponce> ok. a couple more things, and we'll end
[10:50] <boredandblogging> Zelut, cool, let me know how I can help.
[10:50] <atoponce> are there any states being represented here that would like to start a loco that we haven't gone over?
[10:50] <Rinchen> Zelut, with FunnyLookinHat's permission you can have a full shell
[10:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Permission granted.
[10:51] <Zelut> Rinchen: to ubuntu-us.org or ubuntu-rocks?
[10:51] <FunnyLookinHat> ubuntu-rocks
[10:51] <Rinchen> ubuntu-rocks has 256 gig of space available and 2 terabytes of monthly bandwidth
[10:51] <Zelut> do we want to build it there or at ubuntu-us?
[10:51] <Rinchen> Zelut, ubuntu-rocks.  For ubuntu-us.org that would be Smurf.
[10:51] <H264> how much does that cost?
[10:51] <FunnyLookinHat> I would strongly suggest trying to host whatever it is you decide to on official ubuntu provided server space...  We can link ubuntu-us to it then
[10:52] <dthacker> greetings from NebraskaTeam
[10:52] <atoponce> boredandblogging: what state are you in?
[10:52] <Rinchen> My official guidance is to contact smurf for ubuntu-us.org but failing any services, ubuntu-rocks.org is open for you to use (again deferring to FLH)
[10:52] <FunnyLookinHat> That is what I am pushing for the revamped colorado team page as well.
[10:52] <atoponce> dthacker: welcome
[10:52] <SVLUG-Pres> re: "wildfire initiative" - I often have SVLUG volunteers asking  "how can I help out?"  ...and that'd be a great project for many of them.
[10:52] <boredandblogging> atoponce, Georgia
[10:52] <atoponce> boredandblogging: need any help getting the team up and running?
[10:52] <Zelut> Rinchen: ok. we'll try smurf and pending that build it on ubuntu-rocks
[10:52] <atoponce> i want to make sure that everyone who came looking for help will get it
[10:53] <boredandblogging> atoponce, we've got our online presence going, working on getting the word out
[10:53] <atoponce> dthacker: how's nebraska going?
[10:53] <Rinchen> Zelut, if you want to prototype, I can setup a full sub-dir for you to play with on rocks
[10:53] <atoponce> boredandblogging: cool.
[10:53] <ryanakca> eeeks... 61s lag
[10:53] <Zelut> Rinchen: ok. we can discuss in #ubuntu-us
[10:53] <dthacker> Nebraska is building at about 2 people a month.
[10:53] <atoponce> dthacker: cool. need any help?
[10:54] <atoponce> dthacker: have all your resources in place, and just looking to get members?
[10:54] <dthacker> I can't remember how to give myself +o on #ubuntu-nebraska to fix the topic and such.
[10:54] <atoponce> /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-nebraska dthacker
[10:55] <atoponce> don't forget '/msg chanserv help'
[10:55] <atoponce> it's a great resource
[10:55] <dthacker> We have mailing list, wiki pages, and irc.  Forums seem un-needed for such a small group
[10:55] <atoponce> anyone else need help with their loco, before we close?
[10:55] <atoponce> dthacker: how many in the team currently?
[10:55] <Zelut> dthacker: forums can be put together on ubuntuforums.
[10:55] <dthacker> 8
[10:55] <atoponce> active?
[10:56] <dthacker> 4
[10:56] <SVLUG-Pres> boredandblogging asked early on about money.  I have some feedback on that.
[10:56] <atoponce> dthacker: that's not too bad, actually
[10:56] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: one sec. i'll open it to the floor here in a sec
[10:56] <dthacker> I'm doing 2 presentations at local high schools next month.  We should pick up a few more
[10:56] <atoponce> sweet
[10:57] <atoponce> dthacker: ok. meet us in #ubuntu-us, and we'll see what we can do to increase those numbers
[10:57] <SVLUG-Pres> SVLUG is currently courting a "project sponsor" - a company to pay for our projects - and the Ubuntu CA loco team project would be one of those projects.  That way the money's all from their pockets to the pockets of the volunteers who spent their own cash to help.
[10:57] <Rinchen> atoponce, remaining agenda items?
[10:57] <atoponce> everyone: if mentoring, don't forget to add your name to the wiki
[10:57] <dthacker> cool, thanks.  I've just been asked to jump a dead battery, see you all soon.
[10:57] <SVLUG-Pres> ah, sorry I should read before hitting "enter"
[10:57] <atoponce> Rinchen: that's it. peanut gallery time
[10:57] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: np
[10:58] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: so there will be a sponsor for the ca team?
[10:58] <SVLUG-Pres> not directly.
[10:58] <SVLUG-Pres> The company would be an SVLUG sponsor - written up on our website prominently as a "Projects Sponsor".
[10:59] <atoponce> i see
[10:59] <SVLUG-Pres> They'd commit say 10K/year to whatever projects SVLUG wanted to do.
[10:59] <atoponce> nice. and svlug would be setting up the ca team?
[10:59] <SVLUG-Pres> ...and the CA loco team would be one of those.
[10:59] <atoponce> gotcha
[10:59] <atoponce> Zelut: no kidding
[10:59] <boredandblogging> 10K? wow
[10:59] <atoponce> :)
[10:59] <SVLUG-Pres> Well... "setting up" infers we'd be in charge.  We're just a bunch of helpers.
[11:00] <SVLUG-Pres> ...and 10K goes FAST here in the SF bay area.
[11:00] <Zelut> we've gone a year now with $0 funds and still running strong.
[11:00] <chuckf> are sponsor conflicts a big concern?
[11:00] <atoponce> Zelut: we should look into funding. then we could buy shirts and stuff
[11:00] <Rinchen> Reminder there is a full LoCo meeting tomorrow. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[11:00] <atoponce> Rinchen: thx for that
[11:00] <atoponce> i wanted to nemind, but forgot. :)
[11:00] <Joe_CoT> gotcha
[11:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Rinchen, crud....   at 10 AM MST right?
[11:01] <SVLUG-Pres> SVLUG itself has no treasury - don't get me wrong - we run on fumes.  But there are SO many things we could do that we DONT do, because of lack of funds.  The "Projects Sponsor" initiative is trying to fix that.
[11:01] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: i like the idea. being a lug prez myself, i might talk to you later about that
[11:01] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: have a jabber account?
[11:01] <atoponce> or gmail?
[11:02] <SVLUG-Pres> Also - I got VERY lucky - the company I'm courting to be the projects sponsor is a placement firm, so there's no conflict of interest _anywhere_.
[11:02] <Zelut> atoponce: you can't use funds to pay for attendance :)
[11:02] <Rinchen> FunnyLookinHat, 10am MST yes.
[11:02] <FunnyLookinHat> kk.
[11:02] <Rinchen> @schedule denver
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Denver: Current meeting: Ubuntu US LoCo Team Mentor | 25 Feb 10:00: LoCo Team | 26 Feb 16:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 13:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 11:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu
[11:02] <SVLUG-Pres> gmail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <Joe_CoT> Is there anything else on the agenda? I'm going to need to head out pretty soon
[11:02] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <atoponce> Joe_CoT: nope. we're done
[11:02] <Rinchen> atoponce, one request...
[11:02] <atoponce> Rinchen: yeah
[11:02] <Rinchen> atoponce, Are you posting abbreviated minutes and action items somewhere?
[11:03] <Joe_CoT> alright, I'll tty guys in #ubuntu-us later then. good meeting
[11:03] <atoponce> yeah. currently on ubuntu-utah.org site with a link to it on the wiki
[11:03] <Rinchen> It would be helpful to go over the action items during each US meeting
[11:03] <atoponce> agreed
[11:04] <Zelut> so are we on for next month or sooner?
[11:04] <SVLUG-Pres> THANK YOU guys... looks like the Ubuntu CA team now has a mentor! Woo Hoo!
[11:04] <atoponce> oh yeah. forgot about that too
[11:04] <atoponce> SVLUG-Pres: np. hope to see the team succeed
[11:04] <atoponce> saturday seems to work well, so we'll keep it there
[11:04] <atoponce> either the 24 or 31
[11:04] <atoponce> ?
[11:05] <marko> Regarding money, I think one of the best things that has helped Ubuntu is the abundance of handsome and "official looking" CDs so when we give them away they look professional and people don't suspect we are giving them some homebrew distro.
[11:05] <atoponce> and how is this time for everyone: 21:00 utc
[11:05] <atoponce> marko: yup
[11:05] <Zelut> 31st is good I think. last sat monthly?
[11:05] <chuckf> 24 would be better for me, and 21 is ok
[11:05] <atoponce> i'm good with either
[11:05] <Vorian> sorry I'm late
[11:06] <atoponce> Vorian: np. you just missed it. :)
[11:06] <FunnyLookinHat> atoponce, Zelut , just pick one or the other and we'll adjust our schedules accordingly  : )
[11:06] <Zelut> 31
[11:06] <atoponce> sounds goot
[11:06] <atoponce> *good
[11:06] <atoponce> 21:00 UTC works great for me
[11:06] <Zelut> its a plan
[11:07] <Zelut> see everyone here next month and those assigned mentors today please visit #ubuntu-us
[11:08] <H264> great :)
[11:09] <sn9> is this an adjournment?
[11:09] <chuckf> thanks for the time during the meeting all
[11:10] <atoponce> sn9: yessir
[11:10] <sn9> ok
[11:11] <atoponce> crap!
[11:11] <atoponce> lost the minutes
[11:12] <atoponce> nixternal: if you could get the minutes for me, that'd be great
[11:12] <atoponce> or Rinchen|afk or Vorian
[11:12] <atoponce> anyone that still has the meeting on screen
[11:12] <atoponce> wait. ubuntulog is in the channel
[11:13] <chuckf> sorry, I don't have logging on
[11:14] <atoponce> chuckf: can you copy paste into a text editor?
[11:14] <chuckf> I've only got the last bit
[11:14] <atoponce> hmm
[11:14] <chuckf> in xchat
[11:14] <atoponce> i'll get on ubuntulog tomorrow
[11:14] <atoponce> should have everything
[11:14] <chuckf> okay
[11:15] <chuckf> sn9 might have it
[11:48] <Rinchen> atoponce, I have them plus they will be posted on line


[08:52] <adeuring> good morning
[09:22] <plomme> hey guys, anyone know how often the site is updated from the lp trunk?
[09:25] <StevenK> plomme: We deploy from stable upon request, usually 3 or 4 times a week
[09:26] <StevenK> (As in we request the deployment)
[09:28] <plomme> ok thanks for the info =) fingers crossed for the next one.
[09:28] <plomme> have a nice day/evening/night !!
[09:29] <StevenK> plomme: Ah yes, I see why you're looking forward to it. :-)
[09:32] <plomme> ;)
[21:46] <czajkowski> jtv1: am getting timeouts when doing the reviews of the pots as there are over 740 again due to the same user as before
[21:46] <czajkowski> https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-ee441619f6fa6e6fe521fbc39c2133c0
[21:46] <czajkowski> BosnianUniverseTranslation trunk series