[09:25] <intelikey> here is a believe it or not for you.   i saw one box giving random errors, sometimes wouldn't even post.  started trubble shooting and finnally found it on a modem card connection in the expansion slot.   one dirty contact that would sometimes arc that arc would send current spikes on the pci buss causing trubble to show up in the oddest places.
[09:25] <InuDuelist> ...
[09:25] <InuDuelist> That's awkward.
[09:25] <InuDuelist> And yet, strangly believable.
[09:26] <InuDuelist> I'll wipe stuff.
[09:26] <InuDuelist> See you guys in about 15-20 minutes.
[09:26] <intelikey> ok
[09:26] <BrettV> Does anyone know anything about process scheduling?
[09:26] <intelikey> cron ?
[09:26] <intelikey> at ?
[09:26] <intelikey> nice ?
[09:27] <BrettV> intelikey: you asking me those questions?
[09:27] <intelikey> yeah what are you asking about specifically ?
[09:27] <BrettV> intelikey: i need to calculate the bonus and penalty
[09:27] <BrettV> intelikey: and i do not understand what the variables are exactly.
[09:28] <BrettV> intelikey: i
[09:28] <BrettV> Bonus = (int) floor (min (IO / 500.0, 1.0) * 5.0)
[09:28] <BrettV> 	note :  Here, IO means total IO burst spend by the process since the last time slice calculation.
[09:28] <intelikey> ah nice values.  i don't really know much about that.
[09:28] <BrettV> i really need to know what the IO variable is
[09:29] <pirothezero> first ive heard of it lol
[09:29] <intelikey> i can tell you a guy that can help you there though.  if he will.   go in ##linux and see if quiznos is there.
[09:29] <BrettV> anyone know anything about this? I need to figure it out before 7pm tommorow
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> as a general question, why are you turning that into an int? will that be rounded or truncated. however I fail to see how this is #kubuntu tomorrow
[09:29] <yettenet_> Is there a way to disable progress dialog?
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> err. #kubuntu
[09:29] <BrettV> thanks intelikey
[09:30] <intelikey> np
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> yettenet_: progress dialogue?
[09:30] <yettenet_> Yup :)
[09:30] <yettenet_> Sort of :)
[09:30] <intelikey> dont' use my name,  he may not like me.
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> in what program...
[09:30] <BrettV> Admiral_Chicago: i have no idea and also do not care... this is the formula they gave me and it is what i will use
[09:30] <intelikey> that wouldn't help you any.
[09:30] <BrettV> intelikey: hehe
[09:30] <yettenet_> The name of the window is Progress Dialog - KDE
[09:30] <yettenet_> :)
[09:30] <yettenet_> Dunno which program it is
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> yettenet_: what is the program doing.
[09:31] <yettenet_> Showing all the internet transfer progresses
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> in Konqueror?
[09:31] <yettenet_> Well, when I click on a link which opens in Konqueror, yes, but it shows Kopete's as well
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> both applications which I do not use. sorry
[09:32] <intelikey> tried just killing it ?
[09:33] <yettenet_> intelikey: Nope :) I want to disable it permanently, not at every startup
[09:33] <Jazon> hello everyone
[09:33] <intelikey> yettenet_ search in  kcontrol
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[09:33] <intelikey> that's where all theings K are set.
[09:33] <Jazon> i am downloading everything for the move to feisty on my laptop.  any reccomendations?
[09:34] <Jazon> i am moving from edgy
[09:34] <intelikey> heh  dont'
[09:34] <intelikey> don't  that is.
[09:34] <Jazon> intelikey: reasons?
[09:34] <Jazon> i can still stop it....
[09:34] <intelikey> it's not released yet ?
[09:34] <Jazon> i have about 20minutes left of downloads...
[09:34] <Jazon> well, i know that :P
[09:35] <intelikey> alpha/beta   but if you like bugs help them kill all you can.
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Jazon: #ubuntu+1 ... I have had no issues on my install
[09:35] <fdoving> Jazon: if you have a bcm43xx based card, i recommend to get an older 2.6.20-5-generic kernel instead of the current one.
[09:35] <Jazon> hehe
[09:35] <Jazon> my wifi card should be well supported.
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Jazon: Feisty is pretty stable
[09:36] <crazyrobot> anybody ever get only half a screen in a shell using F1-F6?
[09:36] <Jazon> intel i915 vid card
[09:36] <Adydas> is edgy not stable?
[09:36] <Jazon> edgy is not too bad.  i dont like how the acpi works on it
[09:36] <intelikey> crazyrobot yep.  frame buffering in the console and frame buffering in the gui conflicting on the size of the screen
[09:37] <Jazon> my laptop fan is going to wear out
[09:37] <yettenet_> No success, intelikey
[09:37] <crazyrobot> ok, thanks.
[09:37] <intelikey> yettenet_ i don't recognize the nick ?
[09:38] <yettenet_> The progress dialog thingy )
[09:38] <crazyrobot> i upgraded to feisty for a second, but AmoroK has problems with mtp in that version.
[09:38] <intelikey> oh.
[09:38] <flaccid> joy
[09:38] <Jazon> is it possible to downgrade back to edgy btw?
[09:38] <flaccid> its possible, but manual
[09:38] <Jazon> flaccid: manual, like how?
[09:39] <Jazon> like editing sources.list and apt-get  ?
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a downgrade option for apt-get
[09:39] <flaccid> as in removing/force removing packages and instaling the old ones
[09:39] <flaccid> yeah i don't think that works very well
[09:39] <Jazon> yeah, ok
[09:39] <Jazon> aptitude might do a better job with that (???)
[09:39] <flaccid> i've never down a successful downgrade with ubuntu
[09:39] <Jazon> heh
[09:39] <flaccid> but thats just me
[09:39] <flaccid> mind you i am a cli guy, but yeah
[09:40] <Jazon> same
[09:40] <Jazon> i dont trust the gui for big stuff
[09:40] <flaccid> upgrading by cli was hard enough
[09:40] <Jazon> eh?
[09:40] <flaccid> its hard to trust things like dept
[09:40] <Jazon> why is that hard?
[09:40] <explosives> mmmh how can i ask i dont know ... i m a delphi programmer and i downloaded kylix but i couldnt install it do u know how can i install it ?
[09:40] <flaccid> its hard because you run into probems
[09:40] <flaccid> !find kylix
[09:40] <ubotu> Package/file kylix does not exist in edgy
[09:41] <flaccid> explosives: did you read the documentation on kylix
[09:41] <explosives> so ?
[09:41] <explosives> i did but i didnt understand :S
[09:41] <flaccid> what don' you understand
[09:41] <yuriy> hi i just decided to try the menu bar at the top.  how do i make it thinner?
[09:42] <Jazon> when is feisty release date btw?
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> Jazon: April 19. /me points Jazon to #ubuntu+1 for Feisty talk
[09:42] <Jazon> thx Admiral_Chicago
[09:43] <crazyrobot> i put feisty on my sisters laptop, and i'm constantly fixing things for her.  i think this weekend i'm going to downgrade her.
[09:43] <yettenet_> Well, I think I have another name for that PRogress Dialog thingy - Network Operation Window
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> explosives: what is the package format?
[09:43] <yettenet_> (The head of Settings)
[09:43] <yettenet_> :P
[09:44] <explosives> it is zip
[09:44] <explosives> i decompressed it
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> what files do you see
[09:44] <explosives> now there is a "install" file
[09:44] <explosives> but i couldnt run it
[09:44] <flaccid> explosives: so you didn't actually read the documentation
[09:45] <flaccid> INSTALL is usually a text file with install instructions. its not a binary.
[09:45] <explosives> i read it ........ but i m new on linux just for 2 days passed
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> explosives: in a konsole type sudo apt-get install fp-ide
[09:45] <flaccid> well if you point me to the doco i could help you understand..
[09:45] <flaccid> !ftp-ide
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftp-ide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <flaccid> !ftp-ide
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> explosives: that should be an IDE for Free Pascal / Delphi
[09:45] <flaccid> !fp-ide
[09:45] <ubotu> fp-ide: Free Pascal -- IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0-4 (edgy), package size 904 kB, installed size 2416 kB
[09:46] <flaccid> hmmm cool
[09:46] <flaccid> cept he wants to install kylix
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago>  The Free Pascal Compiler is a Turbo Pascal 7.0 and Delphi compatible 32/64-bit
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Pascal Compiler
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> right, flaccid, I have to return to work, perhaps you can take over.
[09:46] <Jazon> pascal... hehe i remember them days!
[09:46] <explosives> E: Couldn't find package fp-ide
[09:46] <yettenet_> ubotu: network operation window
[09:47] <Jazon> why pascal in 2007?????
[09:47] <explosives> couse i m a delphi programmer...
[09:47] <explosives> ok ?
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> its got a delphi compiler
[09:47] <yuriy> this menubar has some potential if i can get it smaller...
[09:47] <flaccid> Admiral_Chicago: have fun there
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> hey I code in FORTRAN 77.
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> will do.
[09:47] <Jazon> :D
[09:47] <flaccid> explosives: link me to the doco if you want help
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Jazon: so there, languages are neccesary for various cases.
[09:48] <Jazon> hangovers from the old days kind of thing?
[09:48] <Jazon> cheaper to maintain rather than rewrite?
[09:48] <flaccid> um
[09:48] <flaccid> delphi object pascal != pasca
[09:48] <intelikey> Jazon like C  ?
[09:48] <flaccid> pascal
[09:49] <flaccid> delphi rules if you ask me
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> what language would you use to write a parallel machine job?
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[09:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> that goes for the whole room, myself included :)
[09:49] <flaccid> haha
[09:50] <intelikey> room ?
[09:50] <flaccid> like !offtopic is the scapegoat of this channe
[09:50] <posingaspopular> chan. he means chan.
[09:50] <posingaspopular> he's just too ugly to know better ;)
[09:50] <flaccid> hehe
[09:51] <intelikey> go to work.
[09:51] <flaccid> i second that
[09:51] <posingaspopular> blah you guys, all he does is work
[09:51] <flaccid> you got inteli and flaccid0 here heh
[09:51] <Admiral_Chicago> its soo hard with the existance of facebook. gone...
[09:51] <flaccid> hehe
[09:52] <flaccid> i come to work after work
[09:52] <flaccid> its a great life
[09:52] <flaccid> at least i get to drink beer
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> same here...but it is a weekeend...plus i would do ^^
[09:52] <flaccid> dang
[09:52] <yettenet_> Well... any ideas on disabling netowrk operation window?
[09:53] <explosives> nah it is not good enough i think windows is better than linux... i will install my windows again...
[09:53] <flaccid> explosives: so you successfuly installed it?
[09:53] <explosives> no i didnt..............
[09:53] <flaccid> then how do you know?
[09:53] <Adydas> hah
[09:53] <flaccid> i've asked 3 times for the docos
[09:53] <flaccid> but you don't link me
[09:53] <explosives> i dont know how to link it to you...
[09:54] <explosives> i m a NEWBIE ON LINUX
[09:54] <flaccid> what is the URL of the install documentation
[09:54] <explosives> did u understand ?
[09:54] <flaccid> website where you got it
[09:54] <explosives> k wait for a min plz
[09:54] <flaccid> np
[09:54] <intelikey> yettenet_ i have one for you.   when its open click the upper left corner and in the menu it produces special application settings.  set the window to a size of -0  and it's location to 10000   then if it does try to open you wont see it.
[09:55] <flaccid> explosives: i'm not trying to spoonfed you because you are a developer :)
[09:55] <intelikey> well that hack was a second to late.
[09:55] <explosives> http://rapidshare.com/files/17842416/INSTALL.html
[09:56] <flaccid> ok /me goes to look
[09:57] <flaccid> that asks me about webhost crap
[09:58] <flaccid> yay i finally get to it
[09:58] <flaccid> explosives: which part do you not get?
[09:58] <flaccid> under 'INSTALLATION PROCEDURE'
[09:58] <explosives> how to run install :S
[09:59] <flaccid> thats step 5.
[09:59] <crazyrobot> in my years, i have installed and tested thousands of linux dists, and even the worst outdid windows.
[09:59] <crazyrobot> you can't beat free.
[09:59] <flaccid> yes you can crazyrobot. webcam.
[09:59] <flaccid> or should i say webcam support.
[09:59] <flaccid> windows beats us easy, as well as all the other hardware not supported properly
[10:00] <crazyrobot> my webcam works fine on kubuntu.
[10:00] <explosives> sould i type sh setup.sh ????
[10:00] <InuDuelist> Well, that was interesting.
[10:00] <Adydas> explosives: ./setup.sh
[10:00] <InuDuelist> And filled with too many problems to be healthy.
[10:00] <flaccid> crazyrobot: so everyone has the same webcam as you on the same install as you. ok...
[10:00] <crazyrobot> linux is a programers system, if it doesn't work, fix it.
[10:00] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Yo.
[10:01] <flaccid> explosives: first you need to cd to the mount directory of your cdrom which is prolly /media/cdrom
[10:01] <crazyrobot> thats why open source is so great.
[10:01] <flaccid> crazyrobot: ok so windows users are not programmers. you realise that killed your argument... also please program each webcam out there for me. there is no standard protoco.
[10:01] <explosives> i started to install it...
[10:01] <seven11> anyone download manager for kubun*
[10:02] <crazyrobot> if you hate linux so much, why are you in this forum?
[10:02] <flaccid> maybe you should of said can't beat free, if you are a programmer
[10:02] <crazyrobot> or rather irc chat.
[10:02] <flaccid> but then again i'm a programmer and i don't have the skills to reverse engineer a hardware device...
[10:02] <flaccid> i love linux
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[10:02] <flaccid> im just sating reality
[10:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:02] <flaccid> Admiral_Chicago: scaptegoat again hey
[10:02] <flaccid> i'm just answering questions
[10:02] <flaccid> which is what i do here :)
[10:03] <crazyrobot> forget proprietary software, if its broke you can't fix it.
[10:03] <seven11> anyone download manager for kubuntu
[10:03] <Admiral_Chicago> flaccid: hey, the scapegoat carries away the sins of a village.
[10:03] <Admiral_Chicago> seven11: define download
[10:03] <flaccid> i never mentioned proprietary software :)
[10:03] <flaccid> lol
[10:03] <crazyrobot> what open source windows software do you have for webcams?
[10:03] <mc__> Hello! My xserver refuses to start, i always have to  chmod /dev/null to 666 first,how can i do this permanently? At the moment i have to do it at every reboot
[10:04] <explosives> flaccid: it is installing now :)
[10:04] <seven11> a download mangager like the firefox plug in (down them all) with resume
[10:04] <crazyrobot> mc__: which one are you using?
[10:04] <flaccid> crazyrobot: there is quite a few. the problem is not the client software, its the drivers and lack of ever being a standard protocol
[10:04] <mc__> crazyrobot:  6.10
[10:04] <flaccid> explosives: coo
[10:05] <crazyrobot> mc__: no, which xserver?
[10:05] <crazyrobot> #kubuntu, 6.10, kdm?
[10:05] <mc__> crazyrobot: the default kubuntu one, Xorg
[10:05] <crazyrobot> so write a driver for linux?
[10:05] <flaccid> i mean cool explosives
[10:05] <seven11> Admiral_Chicago:  a download mangager like the firefox plug in (down them all) with resume
[10:05] <flaccid> even though explosives are usually hot
[10:06] <seven11> blue arrow pointing down i forgot the name
[10:06] <chavo> seven11, kget
[10:06] <seven11> thanks
[10:06] <eXistenZ> How does KDE manages its shortcuts?
[10:06] <intelikey> InuDuelist hey
[10:07] <InuDuelist> intelikey: It was a dustcloud in there.
[10:07] <eXistenZ> I want to some key in my keyboard.
[10:07] <eXistenZ> s/to/to remap
[10:07] <intelikey> over heating because of DIRT !          InuDuelist ?
[10:07] <yuriy> eXistenZ: shortcut for what program?
[10:07] <eXistenZ> yuriy, I want to remap my Caps Lock key for Esc.
[10:08] <InuDuelist> I don't think it was overheating.
[10:08] <InuDuelist> BUt...
[10:08] <InuDuelist> I did clean out my fan.
[10:08] <eXistenZ> xmodmap interferes with the program KDE uses to map keys =x
[10:08] <yuriy> oh that sort of thing..
[10:08] <InuDuelist> I pulled off my RAM and dusted it.
[10:08] <flaccid> kcontrol -> keyboard
[10:08] <flaccid> hmmm i've done xmodmap with kde successfully before
[10:08] <intelikey> InuDuelist i'm betting you notice the differance...
[10:08] <intelikey> we'll see.
[10:08] <InuDuelist> Quite.
[10:09] <InuDuelist> I left the case open.
[10:09] <eXistenZ> flaccid, let me try again
[10:09] <InuDuelist> I"ll leave it like that for a couple days
[10:09] <InuDuelist> And the best part is that it's not even as hot as it was before.
[10:10] <mc__> how i can permanently set permissions in /dev? im on edgy
[10:10] <InuDuelist> So that's a good sign
[10:10] <intelikey> yup
[10:10] <flaccid> mc__: don't think you need to, why do you need to?
[10:10] <InuDuelist> Let's see what'll happen tomorrow morning.
[10:10] <mc__> flaccid:  xserver doesnt not start until i chmod /dev/null to 666
[10:10] <intelikey> mc__ you can have /etv/rc.local reset it each boot.
[10:10] <mc__> flaccid: and i have to do that every reboot
[10:11] <flaccid> thats weird
[10:11] <explosives> flaccid: /usr/local/kylix3/bin/delphi: relocation error: /usr/local/kylix3/bin/libwine.borland.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference didnt work...
[10:11] <flaccid> very weird
[10:11] <mc__> indeed
[10:11] <intelikey> mc__ the files in there are not on the disk.  they are in ram.   can't do anything permanant to them.
[10:11] <InuDuelist> Hrm.
[10:11] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Another problem
[10:11] <flaccid> mc__: um its going to reset perms on /dev/* all the time. what is the perm on /dev/null before you chmod it?
[10:11] <InuDuelist> Kaffeine won't open
[10:12] <intelikey> InuDuelist hmmm.
[10:12] <mc__> flaccid:  600
[10:12] <Admiral_Chicago> mc__: you could chmod 700 /dev but that would be a bad idea...
[10:12] <InuDuelist> This's been around for a couple weeks
[10:12] <explosives> !!
[10:12] <flaccid> intelikey: can you confirm that its 600 on your /dev/null i assume it should be at least 666
[10:12] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago wouldn't be permanant either.
[10:12] <Admiral_Chicago> right.
[10:13] <intelikey> 666 is correct.
[10:13] <flaccid> Admiral_Chicago: 700 aint going to help
[10:13] <flaccid> hmm so what is making it 600
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> :) ^^^
[10:13] <flaccid> whatever loads /devfs
[10:13] <explosives> --/usr/local/kylix3/bin/delphi: relocation error: /usr/local/kylix3/bin/libwine.borland.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[10:13] <flaccid> i dunno
[10:13] <flaccid> something is making it 600
[10:13] <flaccid> explosives: google it, we cannot help. kylix does not support debian/ubuntu
[10:13] <InuDuelist> What do you think's the problem, intelikey?
[10:13] <intelikey> mc__ i noticed the same issue with the permission on /dev/null   i added a command in one of the init scripts for a permenant fix.
[10:14] <explosives> i see
[10:14] <flaccid> intelikey: w0a that sounds like a bad bug...
[10:14] <mc__> intelikey: sorry im a noob,in which file should i add the command?
[10:14] <intelikey> flaccid idk. easy cure.
[10:15] <InuDuelist> Interesting.
[10:16] <InuDuelist> It appears I can't open .mpg files or .avi files (I'm assuming other types won't open either) via Kaffeine, Noatun, or Democracy.
[10:16] <flaccid> idk ?
[10:16] <InuDuelist> BUt I can open them via the embedded player.
[10:17] <intelikey> mc__ kdesu kate /etc/rcS.d/*mountall.sh    on the second line add this without the quotes. "chmod 666 /dev/null"    save and exit.   nothing to it.  and no more worries.
[10:17] <mc__> intelikey: thank you
[10:18] <intelikey> or actually make that the second line of the file.
[10:18] <intelikey> as in down arrow and hit enter so you have a blank line then paste that in.    you know that sort of thing.
[10:18] <InuDuelist> Anyone have any ideas? :(
[10:19] <flaccid> !multimedia
[10:19] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[10:19] <flaccid> thats my only suggestion
[10:19] <InuDuelist> Heh.
[10:19] <InuDuelist> Maybe I'll just reinstall the codecs.
[10:19] <InuDuelist> Even though they seem to work almost fine. :/
[10:19] <flaccid> which version of ubuntu is it
[10:19] <intelikey> InuDuelist i have an idea that i like vlc for all that stuff and i use it in the console for watching vidios.   never did like or mess with other players much.
[10:20] <flaccid> i tend to use xine for movies myself
[10:20] <InuDuelist> 6.10.
[10:20] <InuDuelist> intelikey: I'll install it. Never really likes VLC, personally. At least, not when I used it on Windows. It'd always leak the sound after I closed it.
[10:21] <intelikey> yuch that's be ugly.
[10:21] <intelikey> that'd
[10:21] <intelikey> me can't even type slang correctly
[10:21] <intelikey> /
[10:22] <InuDuelist> What's the package called?
[10:22] <flaccid> application level software is like always broken somewhere for someone
[10:22] <InuDuelist> "vlc"?
[10:22] <intelikey> yeah
[10:22] <InuDuelist> OK.
[10:22] <flaccid> and distros just make it worse
[10:22] <intelikey> you wont like it.   you never did.
[10:22] <flaccid> and of course lack of hardware support
[10:22] <InuDuelist> It still leaks?!
[10:22] <flaccid> kaffeine is alright imo
[10:22] <intelikey> not for me.
[10:23] <intelikey> !info vlc
[10:23] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[10:23] <flaccid> when it comes to video, anything that works quaifies for me
[10:23] <InuDuelist> I didn't get that much a shot at it. I used it a couple times, that's all.
[10:23] <cpk1> kaffiene seems to have problem with my nice surround sound videos
[10:24] <InuDuelist> Kaffeine seems to have a problem opening.
[10:24] <InuDuelist> I even reinstalled it.
[10:25] <intelikey> InuDuelist i won't have time to see if the sound still pukes on it's self,   i have to go in about 6 minutes.   you can tell flaccid if he's around and i'll catch it tomarrow maybe.
[10:26] <InuDuelist> Ack
[10:26] <flaccid> see you around then
[10:26] <InuDuelist> One sec then
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> did someone say they watch movies in a terminal? if so, what package do you use...I've been looking for one to do that
[10:26] <flaccid> how can you watch a movie in shel
[10:26] <InuDuelist> K, it works.
[10:26] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago vlc with svgalib
[10:27] <intelikey> have used it with frame buffering   but svgalibs seems safer on the display.
[10:27] <intelikey> flaccid ^ that.
[10:27] <InuDuelist> intelikey: It works
[10:27] <flaccid> i heard about that
[10:27] <intelikey> InuDuelist k.
[10:28] <flaccid> havnt heard many good reports on it
[10:28] <flaccid> never tried it
[10:28] <intelikey> ok guys i need to roll up the sidewalk.
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> ty intelikey
[10:28] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago np
[10:28] <intelikey> later.
[10:28] <InuDuelist> Later, intelikey. :)
[10:38] <smoze> umount does not work properly
[10:38] <smoze> any tricks?
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> smoze: sudo?
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> how are you unmounting?
[10:44] <wilman> i use kguitar but i does not give any sound
[10:46] <Vincent_k> arg!! need help with netboot
[10:46] <Vincent_k> got dhcp server running and working but my client box times out while connecting to tftp server?
[10:49] <Vincent_k> I have this in syslog: http://suzan.burning-oil.com/pub/linux/log
[10:50] <Vincent_k> this msg startes to generate while my client try to connect to tftp
[10:50] <fdoving> check your firewall setttings.
[10:51] <Vincent_k> I have
[10:51] <Vincent_k> I've even turned it of
[10:52] <Mena> HEY
[10:52] <Vincent_k> I'm connecting through a router that I use as a switch. I'm doing to buy a crossovercable later today and try to connect box to box and se
[10:53] <Mena> When i compiile a thing the installed files where did they go in the folder i compile from or to the folder where to install it
[10:53] <Vincent_k> I've set up the router to pass through everything lan to lan
[10:54] <Mena> answer plz !!?
[10:54] <velle> All that dpkg, apt-get and aptitude is amazing and simple... when it works. But now and then there are dependency problems or some config problems or something, and then it is a nightmare for a user like me.
[10:55] <fdoving> Mena: depends. did you run 'make install' ?
[10:55] <Mena> fdoving, yes
[10:55] <fdoving> velle: what's the problem?
[10:55] <fdoving> Mena: then i syspect the files to go to /usr/local/
[10:55] <Mena> fdoving, can i unistall it
[10:56] <velle> Is there a complete intro to the entire package system? Still I have not even been able to find a tutorial or manual for dpkg. E.g. this is the closest to an official dpkg page http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=dpkg
[10:56] <fdoving> Mena: maybe. you can try to run 'make uninstall' from the source folder where you ran 'make install' in the first place.
[10:56] <Mena> fdoving, ok i will try :)
[10:57] <velle> fdoving: Right now the problems are many. I need to install gtk2, and it says that package kubuntu-desktop is not available. If I try to install kubuntu-desktop I get pages of errors.
[10:57] <Mena> fdoving, What if i can
[10:57] <Mena> cant*
[10:57] <fdoving> velle: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[10:58] <fdoving> velle: can you post the errors to for example http://rafb.net/paste/ - i can walk you through fixing them and try to explain why they appear.
[10:59] <fdoving> Mena: then you need to find the files manually and remove them. can you find anything in /usr/local/bin for example?
[10:59] <velle> fdoving: I will start out reading that now, and see if it helps, thanks.
[10:59] <fdoving> velle: i suggest reading them in reversed order. the latter url first.
[11:00] <Mena> fdoving, be the way its kbfx last ver and its beta but i didnt know its for devel and also when i try to add i had crash
[11:00] <Jin> is there a way to change the root GTK theme to match my user themes?
[11:00] <Mena> by*
[11:00] <velle> fdoving: That would be nice :) Walking through the probs, but firrst I try reading the guides, and then maybe I will come back. Thanks
[11:00] <Mena> panal crash
[11:01] <InuDuelist> Hey guys, .mov support, gogogog
[11:01] <fdoving> velle: ok. i'll go prepare some food then.
[11:02] <Mena> fdoving, So do you have an idea or manauly
[11:02] <Mena> for it
[11:02] <flaccid_> there is an insect in here
[11:03] <flaccid_> that i need to kill
[11:09] <InuDuelist> Hey guys, how do I get .mov support in Opera?
[11:13] <flaccid_> !quicktime
[11:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:13] <flaccid_> should be in there InuDuelist
[11:13] <InuDuelist> Thanks
[11:14] <flaccid_> np
[11:14] <InuDuelist> Isn't Gstreamer a Gnome program?
[11:15] <clau> hi! i want to install fam instead of gamin (file monitoring systems), but if I want to make any changes to any of the package, it wants me to remove 300 packages!
[11:15] <InuDuelist> clau: Have you installed a second desktop?
[11:15] <InuDuelist> Such as kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu-desktop and/or vice-versa?
[11:16] <anees> anybody help me installing tomcat on kubuntu
[11:16] <clau> no, I use kubuntu 6.06
[11:16] <algiz> Hi, all!
[11:16] <InuDuelist> clau: So you installed, freshly, kubuntu 6.06?
[11:16] <clau> I did install stuff from the universe rep though :)
[11:16] <InuDuelist> Or you installed ubuntu and then installed kubuntu-desktop?
[11:16] <clau> no, not freshly
[11:16] <chavo> clau, kubuntu-desktop depends on gamin
[11:16] <e1mer> hi all, anyone experience keyboard not accepting inputs?
[11:17] <algiz> -    ?
[11:17] <clau> oh... that's interesting. because I want to compile latest amarok, and I need the libfam.la file
[11:17] <anees> hi anybody help me plz
[11:17] <anees> i want to install and configure apache tomcat on kubunt
[11:17] <anees> kubuntu
[11:18] <chavo> clau, you on edgy?
[11:19] <clau> no, I initially installed 6.06, but added quite all the reps (installed then KDE 3.5.5. etc)...
[11:20] <chavo> ok there are amarok 1.4.5 packages for edgy
[11:20] <clau> but I don't quite have edgy :)
[11:21] <chavo> try doing apt-get build-dep amarok and rerun configure
[11:21] <Vincent_k> is there a way to check witch port are in use?
[11:21] <Vincent_k> ports
[11:21] <InuDuelist> flaccid_: Wanna help me out some more with that .mov support?
[11:22] <flaccid_> um
[11:22] <flaccid_> i'll try i just don't have kubuntu in front of me atm
[11:23] <InuDuelist> Hmm...
[11:23] <clau> chavo: thanks, I'll try that
[11:24] <InuDuelist> Hmm.
[11:26] <clau> apt-get build-dep amarok didn't solve it...
[11:27] <storage> moin wer da?
[11:28] <InuDuelist> Hehe.
[11:28] <InuDuelist> http://themot.org/gallery/d/62125-1/Outside.jpg
[11:32] <cpk1> clau: dapper probably doesnt have the right xine libs for amarok 1.4.5 so build-dep wont help you out there
[11:32] <flaccid_> thats right
[11:32] <flaccid_> i hate that
[11:32] <flaccid_> hehe
[11:32] <clau> maybe I just have to forget it and install edgy :)
[11:32] <flaccid_> probably a good idea
[11:33] <cpk1> if you are a normal desktop user it probably wont hurt to get edgy
[11:33] <clau> safer anyways
[11:33] <cpk1> notice *probably*
[11:33] <clau> thanks!
[11:35] <clau> and can I do an upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[11:35] <clau> without a fresh installation I mean
[11:36] <ForgeAus> I think you just use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:37] <ForgeAus> if you get synaptic (gtk) it will probably do ask you if you want to dist upgrade
[11:37] <ForgeAus> dunno if Adept has that feature
[11:37] <blas> hello
[11:37] <ForgeAus> you'd have to ask Jucato
[11:37] <ForgeAus> hey blas :)
[11:37] <InuDuelist> Bah, forget it.
[11:38] <chavo> I did the dist-upgrade on a couple of machines here
[11:38] <ForgeAus> forget what?
[11:38] <chavo> now running feisty though
[11:38] <InuDuelist> I guess there's no way to get video (other than flash video) support on Opera
[11:38] <ForgeAus> chavo nice :) did it work via adept or apt-get or synaptic?
[11:38] <chavo> I did it with apt-get
[11:39] <ForgeAus> Opera? um Inu, theres A) non-free win32codecs repositories like saveas and/or medibuntu that you can try
[11:39] <blas> ehm i've installed kubuntu couple of days ago, but i still cant fix many things, iam a newbie to linux btw. my main problem is i need to set the rite place of my pictures with the monitor's buttons
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> !upgrade
[11:39] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> that is the way to de it
[11:39] <blas> but if i set it to correct, i need to set it again in windows if i login to win
[11:39] <clau> Admiral_Chicago: thanks!
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[11:41] <e1mer> hi all, anyone experience keyboard not accepting inputs?
[11:41] <InuDuelist> ForgeAus: I've got support for the videos on Konquerer and maybe Firefox.
[11:41] <InuDuelist> Just not Opera
[11:42] <blas> any idea how to fix the display into the monitor ? by some settings not with monitor buttons
[11:42] <gabr1el> hello
[11:42] <blas> hi
[11:42] <rellu> hi
[11:42] <gabr1el> can sombady help me whit xgl and berly
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> blas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg *might* help
[11:43] <gabr1el> i dont know how to install them
[11:43] <rellu> can someone help my to install drivers for ati radeon 7200?
[11:43] <fdoving> !beryl | gabr1el
[11:43] <ubotu> gabr1el: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !ati | rellu
[11:43] <ubotu> rellu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:43] <dromer> how can I see what network-settings my pc uses from the commandline?
[11:44] <fdoving> dromer: anything specific you're looking for?
[11:44] <dromer> actually, I'm trying AnonymOS on another pc, and I have to specify a netmask
[11:45] <gabr1el> how do i install xgl
[11:45] <gabr1el> ?
[11:45] <flaccid_> dromer: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:45] <dromer> !xgl | gabr1el
[11:45] <ubotu> gabr1el: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:45] <julle> what do i write to see hidden folders and files in  a map ?
[11:46] <dromer> julle: ls -a
[11:46] <julle> dromer: thx
[11:46] <dromer> flaccid_: hmm, don't see it there
[11:46] <fdoving> dromer: you need to specify a netmask temporarily?
[11:47] <dromer> yes
[11:47] <julle> anyone knows how to change the path for the transgaming_drive?
[11:47] <fdoving> dromer: use ifconfig, 'sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>' for example
[11:48] <fdoving> dromer: that is if <IP_ADDRESS> is the ip you want on your box,and eth0 is your network device, and <IP_ADDRESS> is the netmask you want.
[11:48] <flaccid_> and you can always man /etc/network/interfaces
[11:49] <fdoving> that is 'man interfaces'
[11:49] <fdoving> :)
[11:49] <flaccid_> oh right
[11:49] <dromer> fdoving: I want to know what netmask, gateway etc this computer uses os I can use it on the other pc (I already did an ip)
[11:49] <flaccid_> sorry
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ifconfig --all
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> err -a
[11:50] <fdoving> dromer: ah 'ip route' gives you the routingtable, 'ip addr' lists the addresses.
[11:50] <flaccid_> does netstat -r work?
[11:50] <dromer> thnx Admiral_Chicago
[11:50] <InuDuelist> I give up.
[11:50] <InuDuelist> Good night, guys.'
[11:50] <dromer> hmmm, don't see the gateway in that though Admiral_Chicago
[11:51] <fdoving> dromer: route -n, or 'ip route'
[11:51] <flaccid_> gateway is set interface
[11:51] <dromer> hmm, ip/route command not found ..
[11:51] <dromer> brb, get tea
[11:52] <fdoving> dromer: '/sbin/route -n'
[11:53] <dromer> ok, thnx! :)
[11:58] <julle> How i create a symbolic link to another path?
[11:58] <flaccid_> via konsole ok julle?
[11:59] <flaccid_> or you want graphical?
[12:00] <julle> flaccid_: yeah i know, but i am having trouble to install a game via cedega, it uses a virtual drive. But that drive is located on my linux partition. "/home/user" and there is Not enough disk space on that partitition so i need to make a link to another harddisk, but i dont know what i shall write!?
[12:00] <flaccid_> ln -s /dir/file /dest/file
[12:00] <flaccid_> dest being the target of the link
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, soft linking to a partition...doh! i should of though of that a long time ago.
[12:03] <flaccid_> you can also mount --bind
[12:03] <Isoss> Hey guys, how can I set commads to run when kubuntu starts?
[12:03] <waylandbill> !autostart
[12:03] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:03] <clau> flaccid_: what does mount --bind do?
[12:03] <flaccid_> cool
[12:04] <flaccid_> umm
[12:04] <flaccid_> mounts it like it would a filesystem
[12:04] <flaccid_> eg. it comes up in mount and can be set with say tmpfs in /etc/fstab
[12:05] <flaccid_> but you don't need to do that normally
[12:05] <clau> ok... :)
[12:08] <Jack111> hi guys, i cannot login any more, if i do startx from the console it tells me
[12:08] <Jack111> the complete error message is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7179/
[12:08] <Jack111> the main thing is this message:
[12:08] <Jack111> waiting for xserver to shut down.synaptics device off called. FreefontPath: FPE"/usr/shar/x11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing
[12:08] <ubuntu> hi
[12:08] <Jack111> would be cool if somebody knew
[12:08] <Jack111> hi
[12:10] <waylandbill> Jack111: that's not the error. The error is /dev/wacom not found.
[12:10] <ubuntu_> i can't create parttition swap why??
[12:10] <flaccid_> Jack111: two things. 1. is try doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg which will overwrite your current xorg.conf so back it up. you also probably need to do the following
[12:10] <waylandbill> Jack111: comment out that device in the xorg.conf and you should be ok.
[12:10] <flaccid_> !baddevice
[12:10] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[12:11] <flaccid_> yeah sorry do baddevice removal thing first
[12:12] <Jack111> waylandhill flaccid thank you
[12:13] <Jack111> waylandhill can i comment that from windows out? do i just add to hashmarks in the beginning of the line?
[12:13] <Jack111> two
[12:13] <waylandbill> wayland-hill ... hmm. :-)
[12:13] <Jack111> oops
[12:13] <waylandbill> yes. # the lines you don't want.
[12:15] <Jack111> waylandbill i already tried what flaccid said earlier the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ..so should i rather only comment out and then try it? HOW would the line look like?
[12:20] <waylandbill> Jack111: pastebin your xorg.conf and I'll tell ya what to comment out.
[12:21] <Jack111> waylandbill was just about to do that
[12:21] <Jack111> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7183/
[12:23] <Jack111> waylandbill i have a xorg file and a xorg.conf file, i pasted the xorg file sorry, you need the other one? wait
[12:24] <waylandbill> Jack111: 149, 150 & 151 can be commented out and you should be good to go.
[12:25] <Jack111> ok
[12:25] <Jack111> should i rename the xorg file to xorg.conf then?
[12:25] <Jack111> ande delete all other xorg files like xorg.conf.custom
[12:26] <waylandbill> it should be looking for xorg.conf.
[12:26] <Jack111> or xorg.conf.20060628164708
[12:26] <waylandbill> done a little bit of toying with your xorg.conf? :-)
[12:26] <tdn> How long does it usually take before a bug gets confirmed? I submitted a bug (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/86519) on 2007, 02, 20, and it is still not confirmed.
[12:27] <cntb> Jack111:  in /etc/X11 ls -laF to see dates and choose a good xorg.conf to replace
[12:27] <e1mer> hi all, anyone experience keyboard not accepting inputs?
[12:28] <cntb> jack can you use irssi ? i.e. communicate with us with no X or you are at different PC for chat ?
[12:28] <Jack111> waylandbill yes, i tried to solve it since a couple of weeks.thats the xorg.conf but it shouldn't make a difference to what you said regarding the commenting out
[12:28] <Jack111> right?
[12:28] <waylandbill> right comment out those devices.
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> cntb: depends on many factors, mostly if anyone can reproduce it.
[12:29] <Jack111> cntb i dualboot, so its the same
[12:29] <Jack111> but icant use x and kubuntu, just chatzilla in win
[12:29] <tdn> How long does it usually take before a bug gets confirmed? I submitted a bug (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/86519) on 2007, 02, 20, and it is still not confirmed.
[12:29] <waylandbill> Jack111: I went a bit further on mine and commented out the sections were those devices were defined as well.
[12:30] <cntb> what is BTW the (initramfs) prompt in BUSYBOX debian?
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> cntb: look at it now
[12:31] <cntb> Jack111: dual boot is quite alright , still you would like to try things realtime  i.e. while chatting with us and it is possible
[12:32] <cntb> install irssi highly recommended
[12:32] <Admiral_Chicago> or bitchk
[12:32] <Admiral_Chicago> err bitchx
[12:32] <e1mer> hi all, anyone experience keyboard not accepting inputs?
[12:32] <e1mer> hi all, anyone experience keyboard not accepting inputs but works on fail safe mode (kdm)?
[12:32] <Jack111> waylandbill how can i edit the xorg.conf in windows, as in the editor the xorg text appears without format, and line numbers?
[12:33] <cntb> yes I had it on other lab PC Admiral_Chicago just 2 min ago when attached other disk which confused obviously the boot
[12:33] <waylandbill> just boot into linux, make the changes using nano or vi
[12:33] <frojnd> hello
[12:33] <frojnd> where is all saved for firefox (bookmarks)
[12:33] <cntb> o/ frojnd
[12:33] <Jack111> cntb as soon i can login i install it, i cannot do it from console right now, as my wireless drivers arent detected
[12:33] <frojnd> \o cntb
[12:33] <cntb> look in your user dir frojnd
[12:34] <ashant> I have some questions on PHP - anybody able to direct me to the right server?
[12:34] <waylandbill> frojnd: ~/.mozilla
[12:34] <cntb> yea wireless are a trouble in linux
[12:35] <ac2k5> I have some questions on PHP - anybody able to direct me to the right server?
[12:35] <cntb> use an ordinary NIC while fixing problems Jack111
[12:36] <waylandbill> ac2k5: ##php ?
[12:41] <Jack111> cntb i have no internet in linux at all cos it broke down before i cme here , whats an NIC? sorry i am not too into that
[12:41] <frojnd> I found: bookmarks-2007-02-21.html in directory: /media/sda2/home/q/.mozilla/firefox/2gleetap.default/bookmarkbackups should I copy this into home backaup bookmarks??
[12:42] <Jack111> but trying out if it works and be right back, thanks waylandbill flaccid cntb
[12:43] <Dekans> does kopete only supports video and not audio ?
[12:43] <frojnd> or what's the command to search for specific file "bookmarks*" in directory /media/sda2/home/q/.mozilla/firefox$
[12:44] <Dekans> frojnd: you can export your bookmark from firefox
[12:44] <Dekans> if it's what you want
[12:45] <chavo> frojnd, find  /media/sda2/home/q/.mozilla/firefox -name "*bookmarks*"
[12:46] <frojnd> I found bookmarks.html in: /media/sda2/home/q/.mozilla/firefox/2gleetap.default
[12:46] <Dekans> does kopete only supports video and not audio ??
[12:46] <frojnd> also: bookmarks.bak  in that folder
[12:48] <waylandbill> frojnd: all the bookmarks are stored in bookmarks.html.
[12:48] <frojnd> chavo any ideas how to replace those files with current will cp file /path/ help?
[12:48] <matsavhalev> Dekans: yeah i think only video
[12:48] <frojnd> wayladbill: so I have to open this file?
[12:48] <frojnd> or just copy it?
[12:48] <chavo> frojnd, just copy it
[12:49] <chavo> ~/.mozilla/firefox/somerandom.name
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> ~/.mozilla/firefox/chars.default in your default profile
[12:52] <frojnd> no bookmars aaaaa
[12:53] <frojnd> sudo cp bookmarks.html /home/q/.mozilla/firefox/9djxuhz2.default/  I did this here: /media/sda2/home/q/.mozilla/firefox/2gleetap.default$
[12:53] <Dekans> frojnd: what do you want to do ?
[12:54] <frojnd> Dekans: import bookmars from oher linux to current..
[12:54] <frojnd> for firefox..
[12:54] <chavo> frojnd, no need for sudo if youre putting it in your home folder
[12:54] <frojnd> I did whitout but still no bookmarks..
[12:54] <Dekans> frojnd: you have firefow on other linux ?
[12:55] <frojnd> Dekans: ofcourse
[12:55] <Dekans> firefox*
[12:55] <chavo> you shouldnt use sudo for that
[12:55] <chavo> now it's owned by root
[12:55] <Dekans> frojnd: in firefox : bookmarks -> manage bookmarks -> export
[12:55] <frojnd> chavo: first time I did it without sudo.. and was the same
[12:55] <Dekans> you will have a bookmark.html
[12:55] <Dekans> then just import it
[12:55] <anees> hi anybody help me plz
[12:55] <Dekans> no need to command line
[12:55] <anees> i m installing sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 on ubuntu
[12:56] <anees> but failed
[12:56] <anees> anybody help me plz
[12:56] <Dekans> anees: you have to agree the license
[12:56] <Dekans> maybe
[12:56] <frojnd> Dekans: there isn't any manage bookmarks
[12:57] <frojnd> or export
[12:57] <blas> how can i "fit" the consol to the monitor screen? in x its nice
[12:57] <Dekans> frojnd: in the bookmark menu
[12:57] <jay> I wanna join the #java channel but it says i need to be identified first.. how do I do that?
[12:58] <anees> anybody help me plz
[12:58] <anees> i want to install sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[12:58] <anees> but failed
[12:58] <anees> plz anybody help me
[12:58] <Dekans> jay: /ns register password
[12:58] <Dekans> then /ns identify password
[12:58] <blas> jay: Type: /msg NickServ HELP IDENTIFY for more information
[12:59] <Dekans> anees: what's the problem
[12:59] <Dekans> ?
[12:59] <anees> dear i m installing tomcat
[12:59] <anees> for tomcat i need jre and jdk
[12:59] <anees> i got a manual to install tomcat
[12:59] <blas> any idea on the console question?
[12:59] <anees> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=226828
[01:00] <anees> here i m installing sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[01:00] <anees> but unable to install it
[01:00] <jay__> thanks
[01:00] <anees> can u plz help me
[01:01] <frojnd> Dekans: tnx
[01:04] <anees> Dekans r u there
[01:04] <anees> can u help me plz
[01:05] <gorgonizer> E: Package sun-j2re1.5 has no installation candidate - looks like the file is not there to me anees...
[01:05] <anees> ok
[01:05] <anees> so what to do for this
[01:05] <anees> i need jdk installed
[01:05] <gorgonizer> have you checked Suns website to see if you can download the .deb file from there??
[01:06] <gorgonizer> sun are like that..
[01:06] <tobias_> its cause you have to agree to the lisence file u are not able to install the package
[01:06] <Dekans> anees: what's the error message ?
[01:06] <tobias_> its a common problem
[01:07] <tobias_> easily solved too I remember
[01:07] <Jack111> hi flaccid waylandbill, it doesnt work in recovery mode i still cannot login in and in the normal mode it freezes during booting up before the login screen appears. is the mistake that i worked on the file named xorg and not on xorg.conf? the latter is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7184/
[01:07] <anees> may be the sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 file is not there
[01:07] <Dekans> anees: what's the error message ?
[01:07] <anees> what should i do
[01:07] <tobias_> !sun
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <tobias_> !java
[01:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:07] <waylandbill> Jack111: of course. xorg.conf is the file you need to edit.
[01:07] <anees> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[01:07] <anees> i got this message
[01:08] <tobias_> oh
[01:08] <Dekans> apt-cache search j2re
[01:08] <tobias_> then u are installing the wrong pacage I guess
[01:08] <anees> ok let me try
[01:08] <tobias_> try one of the ones the bot listed
[01:08] <Dekans> or search j2re in adept and install the good package
[01:08] <waylandbill> Jack111: but that one you just posted doesnt list the device that showed up in your error.
[01:09] <anees> when i apt-cache search j2re
[01:09] <anees> i got this message
[01:09] <anees> openoffice.org - OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0
[01:09] <Jack111> waylandbill the other one was a conf file too, exactly thts what bothers me too, so what should i cross out there?
[01:09] <waylandbill> Jack111: pasting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log can help.
[01:09] <Jack111> ok
[01:11] <Jack111>  here it goes waylandbill http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7189/
[01:11] <anees> so what can be the problem Dekans
[01:14] <Dekans> anees: search j2re in adept
[01:14] <anees> Dekans r u there
[01:14] <Dekans> and install the good package
[01:14] <anees> ok
[01:14] <anees> what will be the command
[01:14] <anees> can u plz guide me how to search j2re in adept
[01:14] <Dekans> adept will be nicer than apt-cache search
[01:14] <anees> ok
[01:14] <Dekans> anees: kubuntu edgy ?
[01:14] <waylandbill> Jack: Fatal server error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs        for all framebuffer devices
[01:15] <anees> yes
[01:15] <Dekans> j2re1.4 - Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition
[01:15] <Dekans> i have this package in my repos
[01:15] <anees> oh
[01:15] <Dekans> not the 1.5
[01:15] <anees> same with me
[01:16] <waylandbill> Jack111: for some reason it's using a 'built-in' configuration.
[01:16] <Dekans> and this :
[01:16] <Dekans> sun-java6-bin - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6
[01:16] <Dekans> sun-java6-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6
[01:16] <Jack111> waylandbill what should i do then
[01:16] <Dekans> maybe it helps
[01:17] <waylandbill> Jack111: (EE) Unable to locate/open config file
[01:17] <anees> hmm
[01:17] <waylandbill> Jack111: you do in fact have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[01:18] <anees> dekans how to set environment variables for java
[01:18] <Dekans> no idea
[01:18] <anees> ok
[01:18] <Dekans> i just installed java to use eclipse
[01:18] <waylandbill> Jack111: what does "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" show?
[01:18] <anees> ok
[01:18] <anees> how u install java
[01:18] <Jack111> waylandbill i got three including the custom one
[01:18] <anees> tell me the command
[01:19] <Dekans> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[01:19] <Dekans> it's on the backports repo
[01:19] <anees> but I m getting error with this command
[01:20] <waylandbill> Jack111: what does "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" show?
[01:20] <anees> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[01:20] <anees> sun-java6-jre: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1) but it is not going to be installed or
[01:20] <Dekans> anees: sudo apt-get install -f
[01:20] <anees> ia32-sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1) but it is not installable
[01:20] <Dekans> and then retry to install java
[01:21] <anees> yes it is working
[01:21] <Jack111> waylandbill i cannot use internet from console so i would need to reboot, as i am on windows, but another xorg.conf from june is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7191/. shall i use that one?
[01:21] <SolidSource> anees: you don't use the ia32-sun-java
[01:21] <Jack111> or shall i do ls and come back`?waylandbill
[01:21] <anees> no idea
[01:21] <anees> how to check it
[01:22] <Dekans> I have to go, good luck
[01:22] <SolidSource> anees: the 2 packages you need for java are sun-java5-bin and sun-java5-plugin
[01:22] <anees> ok
[01:22] <anees> after sudo apt-get install -f
[01:22] <anees> i got Setting up sun-java5-jre (1.5.0-06-1) ...
[01:22] <anees> Setting up sun-java5-bin (1.5.0-06-1) ...
[01:23] <waylandbill> Jack111: you need to have /etc/X11/xorg.conf in existance. Doesn't matter which one as long as X can find it. Then go from there.
[01:23] <SolidSource> anees: well also don't use adept to install those
[01:23] <SolidSource> anees: konsole only unless you are using feisty
[01:24] <waylandbill> Jack111: copy one of the files there if you have to, but you have to end up with xorg.conf in that directory.
[01:24] <anees> ok
[01:24] <MarkC> hi! how do i chat on yahoo chat! using kopete?
[01:25] <anees> SolidSource now what should i do
[01:25] <SolidSource> MarkC: you mean chat not IM?
[01:25] <MarkC> yes.
[01:25] <n4cht> SolidSource: I was about to ask that same question.
[01:26] <MarkC> n4cht: i see you've been to ubuntu-offtopic
[01:26] <n4cht> MarkC: for entering the actual chat rooms, i'm not sure if that's possible.   if ever I need to do that, i just use GAIM.
[01:26] <SolidSource> anees: well I don't know exactly where you are in your install, but just need to make sure all the plugin folders for have at least the link to the libjava*.so file
[01:26] <MarkC> hmm... i didnt know that was possible, but ill try it now.
[01:27] <n4cht> MarkC: I sure am, though currently switching between konversation and a konsole session, where I'm trying out each version of GCC and checking to see which best works with the project I'm working on.
[01:27] <anees> i have installed tomcat
[01:27] <MarkC> sudo aptitude install gaim
[01:27] <anees> but only i need jdk and jre
[01:27] <MarkC> oops sorry
[01:27] <SolidSource> anees: the jre itself, you download from java.com
[01:27] <anees> plz tell me the command
[01:28] <Jack111> ok so i rename this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7191/ from xorg.conf~ to xorg.conf and leave the xorg file untouched.what should i hashmark out in this xorg.conf file?waylandbill
[01:29] <SolidSource> anees: one second will provide a paste link
[01:29] <anees> ok
[01:30] <SolidSource> anees: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7193/
[01:30] <anees> ok
[01:31] <SolidSource> gave both flash and java
[01:31] <waylandbill> Jack111: lines 149, 150, 151 comment out and make sure it's name xorg.conf. Should be good to go.
[01:32] <MarkC> what is the command used to start the kde panel?
[01:32] <MarkC> gnome panel can be started by the gnome-panel command right? how about kde?
[01:32] <MarkC> my kde panel just disappeared.
[01:32] <anees> SolidSource thanx again
[01:32] <SolidSource> anees: for the jre file...you download from java.com its the self-extracting one....NOT the RPM
[01:32] <anees> I am reading it
[01:32] <Hobbsee> MarkC: kicker
[01:32] <Jack111> waylandbill thats exactly what i did to the xorg file.changed and renamed to xorg.conf
[01:32] <anees> ok
[01:33] <anees> I love you SolidSource
[01:33] <MarkC> thanks Hobbsee.
[01:34] <waylandbill> Jack111: what permissions are on the file? That's why I asked what ls -l looked like for the file.
[01:35] <Jack111> ok wait i cannot check that from win can i ?
[01:35] <Jack111> i reboot and tell you then
[01:35] <SolidSource> anees: also note depending on what web browser and how it was installed will change the (example "/usr/lib32/firefox/plugins") folder name might be different
[01:35] <waylandbill> Jack111: ok
[01:36] <anees> ok dear
[01:39] <micha_> Hi - anyone got the Xen running without starting from scratch?
[01:41] <gorgonizer> has anyone managed to install the third KDE 4 snapshot?  I am having issues with the repository given on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[01:42] <SolidSource> gorganizer: you followed all the directions given?
[01:43] <gorgonizer> I did, added the repository given (deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ ./, by both CLI and Adept), get the error Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/./Packages.gz  404 Not Found when performing sudo apt-get update..
[01:43] <Jack111> waylandbill it is -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[01:44] <waylandbill> Jack111: that looks good.
[01:44] <waylandbill> Jack111: how are you starting X? via kdm?
[01:44] <Jack111> waylandbill: yes
[01:46] <SolidSource> gorganizer: server might be down
[01:48] <gorgonizer> The server is up, able to browse to that repository, though if I compare it to the previous repository http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.2/ it is arranged completely differently
[01:49] <SolidSource> hmm
[01:49] <waylandbill> Jack111: if you run X -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root, what happens?
[01:49] <gorgonizer> SolidSource: that is what I thought... thought I would ask on here before giving up... ;)
[01:50] <SolidSource> gorgonizer: wonder if you need a key
[01:50] <Jack111> mom waylandbill
[01:51] <SolidSource> gorgonizer: though they don't say anything about such
[01:51] <gorgonizer> I re-added Jonathan's key using  sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg just incase, got the OK, but still failed on the same thing above..
[01:52] <SolidSource> gorgonizer: key would most likely be different...trying to think of where to get it
[01:53] <SolidSource> gorgonizer: course usually a 404 error means it can't connect to server at all
[01:56] <gorgonizer> I thought error 404 was that the requested page could not be found, not that hte server was down... as http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/./Packages.gz (which apt-get update seems to point itself at) doesn't exist...
[01:57] <gorgonizer> have found that http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/pool-edgy/ contains the packages, whereas http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/ contains the packages.gz file
[01:57] <SolidSource> 404 is no server response (which is just usually a server down)
[01:57] <giangy> SolidSource: wtf?
[01:58] <giangy> 404 is file not found.
[01:58] <Jack111> waylandbill if i do that, a grey screen appears, nthing on it just the cursor
[01:58] <SolidSource> not really
[01:58] <giangy> SolidSource: 503 is service unavailable
[01:58] <waylandbill> Jack111: that's good.
[01:58] <SolidSource> giangy: 503 still means you got a response
[01:58] <Jack111> waylandbill????
[01:58] <waylandbill> Jack111: now why in the heck won't it use that config file when starting by kdm.
[01:59] <giangy> SolidSource: 404 too :)
[02:00] <SolidSource> giangy: yes 404 can...but usually not...in this case yes got response, but there is no key file to tell anything about the repo
[02:00] <Jack111> waylandbill you would sve me the money i would spend for bying an external harddrive then if you found out, hehe
[02:00] <waylandbill> Jack111: I'm looking to find out where that can be overridden
[02:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> when I run beryl-manager, the tops of my windows flash on and off- which log can I check to see any errors I'm getting?
[02:01] <Jack111> waylandbill: cool, thankyou
[02:03] <parkerw207> can anyone tell me who to get my dvd playback working ?
[02:03] <fdoving> !dvd
[02:03] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:03] <parkerw207> i got that
[02:03] <SolidSource> gorgonizer: have you tried this "wget http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.2/packages.gz" "sudo apt-key add packages.gz"??
[02:04] <fdoving> SolidSource: that won't work.. Packages.gz  isn't a key.
[02:04] <SolidSource> fdoving: yeah, I know...was just a thought that adept might be able to read it and such
[02:05] <cntb> annoying bus keeps me from conveniently switching languages with alt-shift or whatever else only right click flag works
[02:06] <cntb> bus > bug
[02:07] <SolidSource> gorgonizer: you may have to wait till later, they may have just forgotten the key file at current time
[02:08] <Jucato> what key file?
[02:08] <SolidSource> KDE 3.8 repo key file
[02:08] <Jucato> it's Riddell's key, afaik.
[02:08] <cntb> I remember Iwas pointed to LINUXimaging SOFTWARE , did not bookmark it then
[02:09] <cntb> pls point to some linux disk imaging
[02:09] <Jucato> doesn't Riddell's key work? (you can get it from the other announcement pages, the one for KDE 3.5.6 for example)
[02:09] <MarkC> hello! how do i get a screenshot in kde?
[02:09] <SolidSource> he said he tried the trivenos key file
[02:09] <MarkC> print screen doesnt seem to do anything.
[02:09] <gorgonizer> gorgonizer@sweetleaf:~$ sudo apt-key add Packages.gz    gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[02:10] <Jucato> gorgonizer: it's Riddell's key. trivenos has nothing to do with it
[02:10] <Jucato> gorgonizer: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php <--- follow the instructions to get Riddell's key from here
[02:10] <gorgonizer> I have tried Riddell's key, still gives me the 404 error..
[02:11] <Jucato> hm...
[02:11] <Jucato> MarkC: in System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions -> Preset Actions -> Print Screen, check that it's not Disabled
[02:12] <Jucato> MarkC: the screenshot program is called ksnapshot, in case you want to launch it manually
[02:12] <gorgonizer> If I substitute http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/ for http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/ is finds the packages.gz file, but then can't find the packages...
[02:12] <MarkC> Jucato: thanks. i dont have ksnapshot installed, thats why.
[02:13] <Jucato> gorgonizer: I'd recommend asking in #kubuntu-devel
[02:13] <Jucato> MarkC: er.. ok... :P
[02:13] <fdoving> gorgonizer: what are you trying to do?
[02:14] <gorgonizer> I am trying to install the latest KDE4 snapshot...
[02:14] <Jucato> gorgonizer: for what purpose?
[02:15] <gorgonizer> the third version, should be a repository at deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ ./
[02:15] <MarkC> Jucato: well ive just installed kde-core. the packages in kubuntu is too much of a download, and btw. im the same Mark C in ubuntuforums, you _are_ everywhere. ;-)
[02:15] <fdoving> gorgonizer: there is an error on the page. 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main' is the correct.
[02:15] <waylandbill> Jack111: still here?
[02:15] <Jucato> MarkC: I know. I figure that out minutes ago :)
[02:15] <Jack111> waylandbill:
[02:15] <Jack111>  yep
[02:16] <Jucato> MarkC: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core and http://jucato.org/kde/kde-core.html in case you're interested
[02:16] <gorgonizer> Purpose??  shits and giggles mainly, though I like to look at things.. fdoving: the previous snapshot had the entry deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.2/ ./ which worked without a problem..
[02:16] <gorgonizer> will try your suggestion though :)
[02:17] <Jucato> gorgonizer: that's not the proper repository. please check the announcement page
[02:18] <fdoving> Jucato: looks like the announcement page is wrong too. :|
[02:18] <waylandbill> Jack111: try adding a line to the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file. In section [X-:0-Core]  add a line ServerArgs=-config /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:18] <Jucato> please do take note that the snapshots are intended for developers. end users will barely have any use for them
[02:18] <Jucato> fdoving: and without Riddell around...
[02:18] <SolidSource> jucato he is trying to use the repo link from the announcement page
[02:19] <Jucato> SolidSource: ok. fdoving said it might be wrong to
[02:19] <SolidSource> Jucato: so either the kubuntu team screwed up on there posting or something else is all
[02:20] <SolidSource> well them screwing up seems unlikely
[02:20] <SolidSource> but who knows
[02:20] <julle> what do i type to see all my partitions and harddisk, looking for more to mount
[02:21] <aortrh33> does anyone know how to reconfigure the Xserver (Xorg) from the command line.  I seem to have screwed up my system while trying to change the screen resolution and the identified video card
[02:21] <Jucato> !xconfig | aortrh33
[02:21] <ubotu> aortrh33: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[02:22] <Jack111> waylandbill  where should i insert the line in that section? and does the line start with the hashmarK? ofcourse not, right?
[02:22] <waylandbill> Jack111: just in that section and no hash mark
[02:23] <aortrh33> ubotu - I've tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with no success - rec'd error stating that Xserver was broken...I'll try the other options next time I boot it - thanks
[02:23] <Jucato> !ubotu | aortrh33
[02:23] <ubotu> aortrh33: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:23] <SolidSource> lol I love how so many ppl do that
[02:24] <Jucato> :D
[02:24] <aortrh33> yesh, don't I feel like a goob now....
[02:25] <Jucato> aortrh33: don't worry. you're in good company :D
[02:25] <SolidSource> yeah no biggy..just funny
[02:25] <Jack111> waylandbill tryin it out thank you
[02:29] <SolidSource> anyone know of a good sound card with hardware mixing? that would be very useful
[02:34] <MarkC> Solid Source: hardware mixing? doesnt all sound cards mix things inside the card?
[02:35] <crystufer2000> Kubuntu.
[02:35] <crystufer2000> Yay.
[02:35] <PhinnFort> MarkC: no, most cards dont
[02:35] <SolidSource> MarkC: most cards are AC97...which means only software mixing
[02:36] <SolidSource> and arts and alsa suck at it
[02:36] <MarkC> oh, ok. new technology acquired. :)
[02:36] <MarkC> thanks.
[02:37] <PhinnFort> SolidSource: ALSA has gotten DMix included by default now, doesnt it?
[02:37] <PhinnFort> it should help things
[02:37] <SolidSource> PhinnFort: helps yes...but when trying to run things in wine and then trying to use amarok....things don't go well
[02:37] <PhinnFort> ;)
[02:38] <PhinnFort> is kubuntu using external alsa, or the alsa included with stock kernel?
[02:39] <SolidSource> don't think alsa is included directly into the kernel...but idk
[02:40] <PhinnFort> i meant the alsa drivers
[02:42] <SolidSource> hmm maybe I'm not understanding what you meant completely
[02:45] <arinomi> Can anyone help me with installing Mozilla Firefox on Kubuntu Dapper Drake?
[02:45] <SolidSource> its in repo...so either adept or "sudo aptitude install firefox"
[02:47] <Jack111> waylandbill hi i had a new login screen, and it allowed me to start gnome, but every second an error came that nautilus couldnt be started, when i tried to start kde, it stopped booting the desktop when it said loading the window manager
[02:49] <ruben> does someone know if ndiswrapper work on Kubuntu?
[02:51] <Jack111_> waylandbill hi i had a new login screen, and it allowed me to start gnome, but every second an error came that nautilus couldnt be started, when i tried to start kde, it stopped booting the desktop when it said loading the window manager
[02:51] <SolidSource> ruben: don't see why not
[02:52] <arinomi> SolidSource : Thanks, it worked, but it needed me to run 'dpkg --configure -a'. I did run it, but it said I need superuser admission. That's strange, as I am root user. Or are those different?
[02:52] <SolidSource> arinomi: you are not a root user, nor do you want to be
[02:52] <waylandbill> Jack111_: you got further. That's good. pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:53] <waylandbill> Jack111: you got further. That's good. pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:53] <arinomi> SolidSource: Oh well, how to I get the Superuser privelige the Terminal asks for?
[02:53] <waylandbill> !sudo | arinomi
[02:53] <ubotu> arinomi: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:54] <SolidSource> arinomi there you go
[02:54] <arinomi> Ah, I see. ^^
[02:54] <arinomi> Still very fresh, but wanting to learn
[02:54] <Jack111> is is here thank you so much waylandbill http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7204/
[02:55] <linuksamiko> saluton everyone
[02:56] <linuksamiko> I just installed kde4 and I have a few questions
[02:57] <linuksamiko> first of all it is too bad that konqueror crashs during start (even if I don't expect so much differentses) but what about okular?
[02:58] <linuksamiko> It says on the kubuntu page that okular will be included in the latest releas but I can't find it
[02:58] <Jucato> linuksamiko: KDE 4 is unusable at this point. the development snapshots are for developers
[02:59] <arinomi> How can I upgrade from Dapper to Edgy?
[02:59] <arinomi> I only found guides for Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[02:59] <fdoving> !upgrade
[02:59] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:59] <linuksamiko> Jucato: I'm aware of that but I realy want to take a look at okular
[02:59] <SolidSource> arinomi: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same is essence, so a guide in ubuntu works for kubuntu with minor modefications
[03:00] <SolidSource> Does anyone have a Toshiba MP3 player?
[03:00] <waylandbill> Jack111: sorry. don't know what's causing you to lock up loading the window manager.
[03:00] <arinomi> SolidSource: No, I stick to my iPod Nano. About the only thing I like about Apple..
[03:01] <ScarFreewill> what is the stuff at the start of a batch file that makes it runable? some thing like #bash
[03:01] <SolidSource> screw ipod...might as well get a zune
[03:01] <Jack111> waylandbill is there a way to reinstall kubuntu from cd, without risking to loos my old data on kubuntu and windows?
[03:01] <_eMaX_> hi all
[03:01] <_eMaX_> ne1 here uses 2.6.20?
[03:02] <linuksamiko> ScarFreewill: You talk about #!/bin/sh
[03:02] <linuksamiko> ScarFreewill: but it should work without it too
[03:03] <chavo> _eMaX_, yes it's default in feisty
[03:04] <linuksamiko> scraffreewill: if you want to make a file executable type "chmod +x <FILENAME>"
[03:04] <econthrust> hi there guys, anyone could save my linux lovin butt? i desperately need to have wireless enabled on my laptop! PLS HELP! ^^
[03:04] <ruben> your not the only one
[03:04] <econthrust> :(
[03:05] <econthrust> i just don't believe there is no way I can avoid installing windows :(
[03:05] <SolidSource> wireless cards: internal has better luck...external cards are a pain
[03:05] <Roey> econthrust:  are you using Feisty Fawn?
[03:06] <Roey> SolidSource:  aye.  I haven't been able to get my d-link dwl-ag650 to be able to connect to networks.. thought it can see them
[03:06] <_eMaX_> chavo does it rather make sense to upgrade to feisty or to compile a vanilla or mm2 patched kernel on ubuntu?
[03:07] <SolidSource> Roey: yeah several ppl have had same problems...we never did get it figured out exactly how to solve it...though maybe someone new knows
[03:07] <_eMaX_> I want to go to 2.6.20 for the thinkpad drivebay support
[03:07] <chavo> _eMaX_, is there something in 2.6.20 you need?
[03:07] <econthrust> i have internal card, and using edgy eft
[03:07] <chavo> ok
[03:07] <_eMaX_> see that's answer before the question :D
[03:07] <chavo> lol
[03:08] <SolidSource> econthrust: and your problem with yours is?
[03:08] <Roey> SolidSource:  oh?  I know another guy (notmax on here or #ubuntu+1 or somewhere) had the same problem
[03:08] <waylandbill> Jack111: you could install but choose not to format the parition.
[03:08] <chavo> well I had no problems with the feisty upgrade, but you never know
[03:08] <econthrust> SolidSource: i ve just bought a dlink wifi router and im new to the linux side of wifi, cannot make it communicate on the wireless network, i need a helping hand
[03:08] <waylandbill> Jack111: I tend to put my /home on a different parition than my / so in case I need to reinstall cause I broke something, I don't lose my data.
[03:08] <Jack111> i think thats too dangerous, i tried it in past and didnt wqork for me waylandbill
[03:09] <_eMaX_> hmm. currently I am compiling 2.6.20-mm2 yet why not just upgrade to feisty...
[03:09] <_eMaX_> otoh I don't want to somehow screw up my automatic updates
[03:09] <SolidSource> econthrust: which program are you using for network management?
[03:10] <waylandbill> Jack111: back up your important data before attempting any re-install is my only other advice.
[03:10] <econthrust> SolidSource:  tried network manager, but no luck, i just can't see what it's trying to do...actually i want to start from the beggining
[03:10] <_eMaX_> chavo do you have somewhere a pointer on how to upgrade to feisty - is that just something like apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:10] <Jack111> yep i do hell new drive anyway thank you very much waylandbill
[03:11] <econthrust> SolidSource: i'm pretty good at using the console, so don't go easy on me :)
[03:11] <ruben> i think i am missing something with ndiswrapper: i download- i untar with tar zxvf - i change to ndiswrapper directory, and then i dont know what to do ....
[03:11] <chavo> !upgrade
[03:11] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:12] <waylandbill> Jack111: we gave it a valiant effort anyway. good luck. Getting new hardware is always a good day. :-)
[03:12] <SolidSource> econthrust: can you atleast see networks?
[03:12] <chavo> _eMaX_, same thing as that link but change the dapper to edgy and the edgy to feisty in the sed line
[03:12] <Jack111> waylandbill you are right we did all we could, good excuse for bying nw stuff hehe
[03:12] <econthrust> SolidSource: nope, not a thing, i don1t even know which hardware to monitor :(
[03:13] <econthrust> SolidSource: i have a eth1 for the wired net, and a eth0 for the firewire (disabled now)
[03:13] <SolidSource> econthrust: found that when you run ifconfig?
[03:14] <ScarFreewill1> thanks linuksamiko
[03:14] <econthrust> yes and also left this two in the etc/network/interfaces
[03:14] <SolidSource> !wireless
[03:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:15] <econthrust> WOOO! GReat! :)
[03:15] <econthrust> i look it up right away!
[03:15] <econthrust> thanks!
[03:16] <SolidSource> econthrust: when ifconfig and don't see anything starting with a "W"...then the card wasn't recognized
[03:16] <econthrust> gosh no! :(
[03:16] <econthrust> i don't have wlan0 or anything like that
[03:17] <SolidSource> you'll have to add it manually
[03:17] <econthrust> are there any packages, or do i have to serch my head off?
[03:18] <_eMaX_> wow chavo. he wants to download 1.2 gb.
[03:18] <chavo> wow you have a lot of stuff installed
[03:18] <SolidSource> econthrust: at most the only thing to install (if at all needed) would be ndiswrapper and kwifimanager
[03:19] <_eMaX_> well u know vi is already a huge install with all the multimedia stuff
[03:19] <econthrust> SolidSource: doing that right now
[03:19] <econthrust> what does ndisw... do?
[03:20] <ruben> ndis installs windows drivers
[03:20] <econthrust> cool :)
[03:20] <ruben> somethimes nedded for hardware
[03:20] <ruben> and i need first install ndis...
[03:20] <econthrust> and then i need to restart networking to see if it finds anything?
[03:21] <ruben> can someone here help me with installing ndiswrapper?
[03:21] <econthrust> ndiswrapper-common
[03:21] <SolidSource> !wireless > ruben
[03:22] <SolidSource> that explains pretty much as I would know about linux and wireless...cause I gave up on wireless back when ubuntu was version 4
[03:23] <_eMaX_> chavo just in case dist-upgrade fucks up things - is there a way back?
[03:23] <chavo> _eMaX_, no
[03:24] <SolidSource> _emax_ yeah...fresh install from disc
[03:24] <_eMaX_> yep that's exactly the answer I wanted to hear
[03:24] <chavo> yeah there's always a way
[03:24] <econthrust> thank yu guys! again you have saved the day, now it's my turn to fight this wifiwar :)
[03:24] <econthrust> byez!
[03:26] <ruben> i read the tekst about ndiswrapper and i am searching for the missing link...
[03:26] <ruben> i have untart cd to ndis
[03:26] <ruben> and then...
[03:27] <ruben> i dont know how to install
[03:28] <ruben> what command i have to give for installing ndiswrapper?
[03:29] <lu-bao> mew :)
[03:30] <Jucato> mewtwo
[03:30] <lu-bao> Jucato, xD
[03:30] <lu-bao> *laugh*
[03:31] <Jucato> :D
[03:31] <weatherman> hi, i have a very old pc (64mb of ram I think) and a kubuntu live cd, is there any way to just boot the linux kernel without the graphics and stuff?
[03:32] <lu-bao> weatherman, what do you have without programs and only kernel ? :> then your computer is very um yeah ^^" useless
[03:32] <Jucato> !ndiswrapper
[03:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:33] <ruben> i cant find about the last commandline in these docs...
[03:33] <lu-bao> weatherman, but you can try to boot in init 3 mode so that your comp stays at shell after booting :)
[03:33] <weatherman> lu-bao: well ok I need a shell
[03:34] <ruben> does know someone the last command here?
[03:34] <weatherman> lu-bao: how do I boot in init 3?
[03:34] <lu-bao> weatherman, yep but i dont know the command you need to boot in init3 mode :) only know that this helps ask others who know about boot parameters ^^
[03:34] <lu-bao> or search google :)
[03:35] <RickSeymour> If i install herd4 can i move onto herd 5 (if one appears) by using apt-get? or is it more complicated than that
[03:36] <Jucato> RickSeymour: simply dist-upgrade
[03:37] <RickSeymour> hmm... so in april when its released as .. err 7.04 can i do a dist-upgrade then?
[03:38] <Jucato> yep
[03:39] <RickSeymour> fantastic... might as well move to fiesty now then :) (on edgy at the moment).. rather happy with it (came from gentoo).. but am finding that quite a few of the packages are substantially older than in gentoo on the stable route
[03:41] <waylandbill> RickSeymour: gentoo is rather bleeding edge. it can and will have newer packages.
[03:42] <RickSeymour> True true, although there is always SVN :)
[03:44] <dilucidate> Hi, I'm dual booting a macBook with mac OS X and kubuntu.  I want to get my mac partition readable/writable on kubuntu.(atleast readable) I can mount it easily enough but I don't have correct permissions to open most of the files I want to open.  How do I mount it with correct permissions.
[03:44] <dilucidate> Here is my fstab entry..  /dev/sda2 /media/mac hfsplus rw,exec,auto,users 0 0
[03:45] <FringeJacket> I just got beryl last night and now I have 8 desktops. my kde shows that I only have one and so does my beryl
[03:47] <pauljw> FringeJacket: go into configure desktop and set your system to just 1 multiple desktop.  that's now 1 cube of 4 sides
[03:48] <pauljw> sorry just reread and that is what you have... FringeJacket
[03:49] <FringeJacket> pauljw yeah, I checked that first cause I made that mistake last night, ended up with 24 desktops
[03:50] <[StingRay] > Hi, all can somebody tell me a console command to minimize all running applications (CTRL+ALT+D represented by a command)?
[03:50] <jay> is there a way that i can download kde debs from the net?
[03:52] <pauljw> FringeJacket: I had done that same thing which is why I jumped at the solution :)
[03:52] <pauljw> I have no clue what could be going on
[03:52] <FringeJacket> pauljw yeah, my friend laughed as soon as I did that last night
[03:53] <FringeJacket> thansk for trying, I'll make RJ fix it
[03:53] <pauljw> :)
[03:54] <Jucato> [StingRay] : dcop kicker kicker toggleShowDesktop
[03:54] <_eMaX_> is there anything substantial to say against moving from edgy to feisty now?
[03:55] <[StingRay] > thanks Jucato. I just found out I was missing the --all-users --all-sessions, too
[03:55] <Maxime> hi guys, i have a probleme with my audio cards, how can i install drivers ?
[03:55] <Jucato> _eMaX_: yes. "alpha"
[03:56] <_eMaX_> anyone using feisty so far?
[03:57] <matsavhalev> _eMaX_: been using it a month or so
[03:57] <_eMaX_> cool tnx
[03:57] <jay> how do i change my chatname
[03:57] <jay> ?
[03:57] <matsavhalev> jay: /nick  newname
[03:58] <Maxime> someone know how to install audio driver pls?
[03:58] <muuhBDXi> when will kunbuntu have a usb version ?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:58] <matsavhalev> Maxime: which audio driver? is it not being loaded automatically?
[03:59] <matsavhalev> muuhBDXi :   you can run it on usb already, i use it on an external usb harddrive
[03:59] <Jucato> !usb
[03:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <Jucato> bah... hm..
[03:59] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: no plans afaik, you can make one if you want ;)
[03:59] <abattoir> i think he's asking for a version which runs of a flash drive
[04:00] <abattoir> *off
[04:00] <Maxime> Mat : no
[04:00] <Hrontore> im wondering is there any way to get ipod to work with linux?
[04:00] <Maxime> how to registred?
[04:01] <muuhBDXi> version which runs of a flash drive
[04:01] <matsavhalev> Hrontore: shouldnt be a problem at all
[04:01] <muuhBDXi> yes
[04:01] <Hrontore> but i cant use itunes
[04:01] <Hrontore> its mac and windows only?
[04:01] <FringeJacket> have you tried wine?
[04:01] <Hrontore> no
[04:01] <matsavhalev> Hrontore: use some other software otherwise, why use drm'd stuff?
[04:01] <_eMaX_> muuhBDXI rather get one of those distros made for that - you don't want to constantly write to your memory stick
[04:01] <FringeJacket> I got itunes to work with wine Hrontore
[04:02] <Hrontore> huh ill have to dl that then
[04:02] <Maxime> itunes work on kubu ?
[04:02] <muuhBDXi> im looking for a usb version that runs from ram
[04:03] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: i think dsl does that... slax too
[04:03] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: check out their entries at distrowatch
[04:03] <abattoir> !itunes | Maxime
[04:03] <ubotu> Maxime: itunes is not available on Linux, but there are many audio player alternatives (see !players). For Daap clients (sharing music with other iTunes clients on the network), install banshee
[04:03] <muuhBDXi> but how do i make run from ram by default ?
[04:03] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: you generally pass the toram option during boot
[04:04] <CuBone> I think there might be something wrong with my downloaded kubuntudvd. How can I check the md5 checksum under winxp?
[04:04] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: you can remaster it to do it by default if you wish so
[04:04] <FringeJacket> Ok, 8 desktops is getting annoying. someone needs to fix this!
[04:04] <muuhBDXi> isnt that an option you set on the boot parameter ?
[04:04] <waylandbill> I would think any usb one would run at least partly from ram (at least the same as a LiveCD does)
[04:05] <abattoir> CuBone: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[04:05] <muuhBDXi> not partly
[04:05] <waylandbill> muuhBDXi: oh. you want it to copy all to ram at boot.
[04:05] <CuBone> Sweet thanks
[04:05] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: i don't get what you mean
[04:06] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: yeah, that's what i meant, that's what the toram option does, so you can remove your flash drive, for eg. after it's been loaded
[04:06] <muuhBDXi> it should do it by default
[04:06] <waylandbill> FringeJacket: beryl? If you have the desktop cube turned on, then it will add desktops.
[04:06] <muuhBDXi> not having to do stuff manualy every time
[04:06] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: i guess you'll have to remaster it then
[04:07] <FringeJacket> waylandbill yeah, I have 1 kde manager and 1 on my beryl
[04:07] <muuhBDXi> the os sahould work for the user not the user work fot the os
[04:07] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: i guess it's a bit offtopic for this channel though, remastering...
[04:07] <muuhBDXi> remaster ?
[04:07] <waylandbill> FringeJacket: but I'm suspecting you have something set that requires more than 1 like the cube.
[04:07] <muuhBDXi> theres no remastering needed
[04:07] <waylandbill> FringeJacket: The KDE manager only affects it if KWin is the WM.
[04:08] <abattoir> muuhBDXi: it's the process by which you 'modify' a live cd, or in your case a flash drive image to suit your needs
[04:08] <waylandbill> muuhBDXi: there is if you don't want a cheat code to enable it.
[04:08] <muuhBDXi> only add the cheat code by default to isolinux
[04:08] <FringeJacket> waylandbill I beg to differ, I played around with it and it gave me 16 right now
[04:09] <waylandbill> FringeJacket: yes. you are right. It acts as a multiplier.
[04:09] <Hrontore> okay i have the wine package, how do i install it?
[04:09] <muuhBDXi> and only fi it didnt find engh ram would it run has ususal
[04:09] <matsavhalev> Hrontore: why not just sudo apt-get install wine?
[04:09] <waylandbill> Hrontore: dpkg -i, but it's in apt
[04:09] <FringeJacket> waylandbill yeah, unfortunately its not a divider too
[04:10] <Hrontore> lol, close adept, open apt...
[04:10] <waylandbill> FringeJacket: the answer still is to look in beryl options to remove options that require multiple desktops
[04:11] <Hrontore> okay its installed how do i get to it?
[04:11] <FringeJacket> waylandbill I have it at 1 on there, what options are requiring multiple desktops besides that?
[04:13] <Hrontore> how do i run wine, add it to the gui?
[04:13] <abattoir> Hrontore: wine <file.exe> in a command line
[04:14] <Jucato> !wine
[04:14] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:14] <abattoir> Hrontore: windows applications installed through wine generally appear in the menu
[04:14] <waylandbill> FringeJacket: I don't know off hand. I did notice that having 1 there didn't make it 1. You'd think that if that was 1, then all the options that required multiple desktops just would be disabled. But remember it's early in development
[04:14] <SJB> hi, how can i shutdown the xserver? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace restarts it every time
[04:14] <waylandbill> SJB: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:15] <muuhBDXi> can i run WoW in wine ?
[04:15] <CuBone> If you use cedega wow plays fine.
[04:15] <muuhBDXi> cedega is non-free
[04:16] <CuBone> unfortuantly yes
[04:16] <FringeJacket> waylandbill right, I forgot about that...   I guess I'll play wround with it til I figure it out
[04:16] <Jucato> !cedega
[04:16] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[04:16] <muuhBDXi> is there a torrent with cedega ?
[04:17] <Jucato> cedega cvs is free
[04:17] <muuhBDXi> cedega breaks the gpl
[04:18] <waylandbill> SJB: Technically speaking, Ctrl-Alt-BS is stopping the Xserver. KDM is just starting it back up. But I know you mean shut it down for good. :-)
[04:18] <muuhBDXi> gpl says you have to submit the code changes you make under gpl
[04:18] <muuhBDXi> so cedega is breaking the gpl
[04:18] <muuhBDXi> is wine gpled ?
[04:18] <SJB> [16:17:53]  <waylandbill> SJB: /etc/init.d/kdm stop <- frozen, i see the Kubuntu Logo and a frozen bar
[04:19] <waylandbill> SJB: switch to VT1 Ctrl-Alt-F1
[04:19] <MarkC> muuhBDXi: i guess so.
[04:19] <Lynoure> muuhBDXi: they do not give the source to their users if they ask? (anyway, more #ubuntu-offtopic matter than a support issue)
[04:19] <MarkC> cedega is the proprietary gaming version of wine
[04:19] <Jucato> muuhBDXi: please visit their webpages for more information
[04:19] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:19] <SJB> while its frozen or before i kill it? ;-)
[04:20] <waylandbill> SJB: actually, you should've used a VT to stop kdm and not a konsole window
[04:20] <muuhBDXi> cedega used to be free
[04:20] <muuhBDXi> before it changed name
[04:21] <MarkC> muuhBDXi: it still is last time i heard, but you have to compile it :)
[04:21] <SJB> ah k
[04:21] <chavo> muuhBDXi, cedega doesn't break the gpl the source code is available
[04:21] <waylandbill> doesn't cedega cvs have the source?
[04:21] <muuhBDXi> any one has cedega compiled ?
[04:22] <chavo> yes but it doesn't include a couple of feautures
[04:22] <muuhBDXi> cedega cvs is from older version and dosent compile i bet
[04:22] <chavo> go to the transgaming site
[04:22] <MarkC> i dont have to, i can play wc3 in wine already :)
[04:22] <MarkC> they did good work on that one
[04:22] <chavo> wine's directx layer has come a long way recently
[04:24] <Hrontore> how do i list dir?
[04:24] <waylandbill> chavo: is it DX9 compatible yet?
[04:24] <hatta> is there still a big difference between wine and winex
[04:25] <slyfox> Where do I submit a bug report for Kubuntu ?
[04:25] <chavo> waylandbill, it supports some d9 stuff sure, but not 100%
[04:25] <chavo> !bug
[04:25] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:25] <|lostbyte|> hatta, yes there, is..
[04:25] <hatta> winex is still more capable?
[04:25] <chavo> winex is cedega before they changed the name
[04:26] <|lostbyte|> Hrontore, ls ?
[04:27] <Hrontore> thnx
[04:33] <SJB> ehhh nothing happens at Ctrl-Alt-F1, sorry im very new to linux :D
[04:35] <cadkins> he.  just got here.  kindda new to IRC but what's going on?
[04:36] <Vincent_k> what does this mean?!??  in.tftpd[6008] 	tftpd: oack: Operation not permitted
[04:36] <BluesKaj> cadkins, we're waiting :)
[04:36] <Vincent_k> I have googled and googled but find nothing
[04:36] <BluesKaj> what were you trying to do , Vincent_k
[04:36] <Vincent_k> I'm trying to netboot a box
[04:37] <Vincent_k> I have dhcp3 server running and working fine and tftpd-hpa running
[04:37] <Vincent_k> the client gets an ip just fine but when trying to cennect to tftp that msg pops up in syslog
[04:38] <jernej> this works
[04:38] <jernej> is this on freenode?
[04:38] <BluesKaj> that's beyond my experience and scope ...i can barely keep samba running on my home network :0
[04:38] <BluesKaj> jernej, yes it is
[04:38] <Vincent_k> I have given up on samba ;)
[04:38] <jernej> then why i can't see myself with a windows machine?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> I've received a lot of help with it here
[04:39] <BluesKaj> what irc client are you using , jernej ?
[04:40] <jernej> xchat on windows and i'm trying ubuntu, so i'm suing konversation
[04:40] <alexicon> irssi ftw!!
[04:40] <alexicon> oh gui irc?
[04:40] <alexicon> kopete is fine.. keeps everything in one place anyway
[04:40] <BluesKaj> konversation is good , so what's the problem jernej?
[04:40] <jernej> nothing..
[04:40] <jernej> i'm with windows machine in this channel on freenode network
[04:40] <jernej> but it isn't same thing
[04:41] <BluesKaj> you said Quote "why i can't see myself with a windows machine?"
[04:41] <jernej> oh that's #ubuntu, silly me
[04:42] <jernej> :x
[04:42] <BluesKaj> this is a #Kubuntu chat
[04:42] <rockprincess> hello! i have a problem, after rebooting i get the following error "failed to start X Server (your graphical interface)" ... i already tried to reconfigure the X server by sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:42] <SJB> how i can switch to VT1? nothing happens at Ctrl+Alt+F1
[04:43] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, F7 ?
[04:43] <fdoving> SJB: 'chvt 1'
[04:43] <BluesKaj> same SJB
[04:43] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: you mean i should press F7?
[04:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[04:44] <fdoving> Vincent_k: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/416872.html
[04:44] <BluesKaj> what happens?
[04:44] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+F7
[04:45] <SJB> nothing
[04:45] <weatherman> by chance does anybody remember howto print the partition table in msdos?
[04:46] <SJB> and chvt 1 says there is no description for the consolo
[04:46] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: i just loaded GRUB and found out there are 2 different kernels: ubuntu kernel 2.6.17-10-386 and ubuntu kernel 2.6.17-11-186
[04:46] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: i just loaded GRUB and found out there are 2 different kernels: ubuntu kernel 2.6.17-10-386 and ubuntu kernel 2.6.17-11-386
[04:46] <rockprincess> upps typo
[04:47] <jernej> hi
[04:47] <BluesKaj> whichever one works is the one to choose . i guess :)
[04:47] <jernej> i got this program in a .tar file
[04:47] <jernej> how do i install it?
[04:48] <jernej> oh wait nvm
[04:49] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: i think it's mainly a NVIDIA issue....i installed Easyubuntu and it installed an NVIDIA driver...and after rebooting i cant seem to start the xserver anymore :(
[04:50] <cadkins> @rockprincess : i have the same thing.  I've tried both and both boot to my desktop just fine.
[04:50] <BluesKaj> fdoving, .. rockprincess needs you ! :)
[04:50] <eeos> hi there. anybody who has installed ecplise on kubuntu 6.10, making it work using all ope source java packages?
[04:50] <rockprincess> cadkins: how did you fix it then?
[04:51] <SJB> :( shut just want to shutdown the xserver
[04:51] <SJB> -shut
[04:51] <cadkins> rockprincess :  i didn't just left it.  I have a big episond with the install.
[04:51] <cadkins> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=13937.0
[04:51] <alexicon> yeah eeos i have eclipse in kubuntu
[04:51] <alexicon> its on apt
[04:52] <alexicon> what java packages are you trying to use anyway
[04:52] <eeos> alexicon php eclipse
[04:52] <eeos> alexicon but I would like to use all open source packages
[04:53] <waylandbill> SJB: what about other VTs? can you get to VT2 for instance?
[04:53] <alexicon> think its initial install is open source.. its only stuff you addon after wards tht might not be
[04:53] <alexicon> i dont quite understand what your issue is
[04:53] <SJB> when you say me how, im a newb ;-)
[04:53] <waylandbill> Ctrl-Alt-F2
[04:53] <cobros02> HELLO
[04:53] <eeos> alexicon when you install eclipse, you tend to install java as well, which is not open source
[04:54] <cecko_> Hi boys and girls, where is the /etc/hotplug/usb folder in Edgy, please?
[04:54] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ctrl + alt F7 didn't do anything really..
[04:54] <eeos> alexicon unless you use one of the open source implementations
[04:54] <eeos> alexicon which do not have the same funcionalities of full closed source java
[04:54] <waylandbill> SJB: just so you know, X is usually running on VT7 in case you need to get back.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> it would be nice to get FF to play the wm (mozilla mplayerplugin) videos in this URL but for some reason it won't ...konqueror plays the video with no prob ...
[04:55] <eeos> alexicon so I wanted to know it worked with the open source implementations of java
[04:55] <alexicon> oh i see
[04:55] <alexicon> never tried sorry
[04:55] <alexicon> time for me to go home
[04:55] <BluesKaj> sorry rockprincess , that's kinda out of my knowledgebase :(
[04:55] <SJB> nothing happens at Ctrl+Alt+F1 - F7 does nothing
[04:55] <waylandbill> rockprincess: can't get X to come up? look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or pastebin it
[04:55] <BluesKaj> yeah , sorry SJB
[04:56] <waylandbill> SJB: that's odd for sure.
[04:57] <rockprincess> waylandbill: i can't start the Xserver, and i don't know how to pastebin the Xorg.0.log withouth the GUI to navigate the firefox
[04:57] <MarkC> hey, can anybody tell me what package i need to install to integrate firefox with kde?
[04:57] <gdiebel> MarkC: in what way?
[04:57] <MarkC> i mean to use the qt file management functions, desktop wallpaper support etc.?
[04:58] <SJB> i still see the desktop and nothing happens
[04:58] <waylandbill> MarkC: re-write firefox in qt. ;-)
[04:58] <Jucato> MarkC: afaik, there's currently no single like that
[04:59] <gdiebel> MarkC: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=327828
[04:59] <Jucato> MarkC: you might be interested in what these pages say: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntegrateFirefoxWithKDE and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE
[05:00] <rockprincess> waylandbill: is there a way i could backup /home without loosing my configurations when i re-install the system?
[05:00] <MarkC> waylandbill: firefox isnt even written in gtk...
[05:00] <MarkC> or is it?
[05:00] <MarkC> thanks gdiebel, Jucato!  :-D
[05:00] <Jucato> MarkC: on Linux it uses GTK
[05:01] <KiPSeRoN> !live cd
[05:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[05:01] <SJB> i just want to install the dumb graphic card driver
[05:01] <KiPSeRoN> !my live cd
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about my live cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <KiPSeRoN> !livecd
[05:02] <waylandbill> rockprincess: if /home is on the same partition as /, then you'll have to back it up or copy it somewhere else (if you plan to reformat / on re-install)
[05:02] <Tuumba> do u know anyone how to install a tv card to my ubuntu 6.06 ?
[05:02] <waylandbill> rockprincess: that's why I make / on one partition and /home on another.
[05:02] <frojnd> !docs
[05:02] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[05:02] <Jucato> !tvcard
[05:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvcard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <rockprincess> waylandbill: i think i've separated them on two partitions / being on one, and /home being on the other one
[05:03] <Tuumba> its analog - not digital..
[05:03] <Tuumba> i need a program and a driver for it :(
[05:03] <rockprincess> waylandbill: i've used gparted to formate my harddisk and then installed kubuntu
[05:04] <waylandbill> rockprincess: ok. when you re-install, set the /home mount point as necessary and double check and triple check that you tell it NOT to format /home.
[05:04] <rockprincess> waylandbill: good idea, thanks ;)
[05:04] <Vincent_k> !netboot
[05:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:04] <SJB> thx for helping...
[05:04] <waylandbill> rockprincess: but formatting the / partition should be okay.
[05:05] <andy__> can anyone tell me if the repo's are the same for 64bit as 32 bit kubuntu?
[05:06] <fdoving> they are.
[05:06] <andy__> am having some nightmares.. :(
[05:06] <BluesKaj> nope
[05:06] <BluesKaj> some aren't
[05:06] <fdoving> the official ones are.
[05:07] <Tuumba> anybody dont know ??
[05:07] <andy__> and the univers/multivers?
[05:07] <Lynoure> Tuumba: it would help if you would tell them which tv card it is
[05:08] <Jucato> !mythtv
[05:08] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[05:08] <Tuumba> just a min plz...
[05:08] <BluesKaj> what is the function of : autom4te.cache ?
[05:08] <Jucato> Tuumba: ^^^
[05:08] <Tuumba> got it
[05:08] <fdoving> BluesKaj: http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_node/autoconf_180.html
[05:09] <Tuumba> la conte deluxe ( it has philips chipset )
[05:10] <BluesKaj> thx fdoving
[05:11] <Tuumba> is mythTV a ubuntu relase ?
[05:12] <BluesKaj> no
[05:14] <bonbonthejon> Tuumba: its not specifically for ubuntu, but it works great with kubuntu, I use it at home
[05:15] <cadkins> can anyone give me some info on getting Kubuntu seeing the front USB connections?
[05:16] <bonbonthejon> cadkins: what do you mean?
[05:16] <BluesKaj> can ppl using Firefox check this site for me pls ...video won't play with the plugins I have in FF ( including the mplayerplugin - the site claims that it uses windows media ) ...konqueror does the video just fine  : http://www.cbc.ca/video/
[05:17] <bonbonthejon> cadkins: kubuntu should be able to see then, unless the bios can't see them
[05:17] <bonbonthejon> cadkins: try lsusb to see the ports and things plugged in
[05:17] <gorgonizer> eeos: would you have ADSL from The Phone Co-op??
[05:17] <gorgonizer> Are the front USB prots attached to the motherboard???
[05:17] <gorgonizer> *ports...
[05:19] <cadkins> i have 4 USB connections on my Dell.   When I plug into those, nothig happens.  When I plug in to the back, Kubuntu sees the USB stick fine
[05:20] <BluesKaj> cadkins , did you check storage media in the suystem menu
[05:20] <Jucato> cadkins: looks like the USB at the front are not connected to the motherboard
[05:20] <cadkins> @Blues Kaj : yeah nothing there
[05:20] <cadkins> Jucato, I don't think they are.
[05:21] <BluesKaj> cadkins, do they work in windows ?
[05:21] <Jucato> If they're not connected, no OS in the world will be able to make anything happen :D
[05:21] <Jucato> (unless that OS can magically connect disconnected wires...
[05:21] <Jucato> )
[05:21] <BluesKaj> hehe
[05:21] <cadkins> oh...LOL  Well I guess they are then.  They work under windows
[05:22] <Jucato> hm... they should work the same as the ones at the back...
[05:22] <Jucato> (afaik... mine are disconnected... stupid case...)
[05:23] <BluesKaj> yeah the front usbs work fine on my Compaq
[05:24] <BluesKaj> as do the card readers
[05:25] <cadkins> hmmm..well, I'll give it a go again when I get home this evening.  Maybe I just wasn't patient enough which is usally the case
[05:25] <cadkins> it's a crazy computer anyway.  Windows had to have a driver to load the SATA drive!!
[05:25] <BluesKaj> Jucato, check this site for me pls ...video won't play with the plugins I have in FF ( including the mplayerplugin - the site claims that it uses windows media ) ...konqueror does the video just fine  : http://www.cbc.ca/video/
[05:26] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I don't have firefox plugins. sorry
[05:26] <BluesKaj> ok, np
[05:26] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you have mozilla-mplayer right?
[05:26] <Jucato> have you tried the other mozilla plugins?
[05:26] <BluesKaj> works ok in konq ...would you beleive that ?
[05:27] <Jucato> BluesKaj: what is konq using to play the video?
[05:27] <BluesKaj> yes mozilla mplayerplugin
[05:27] <BluesKaj> dunno , how can i tell ?
[05:27] <Jucato> embedded kmplayer
[05:29] <BluesKaj> kmplayer/xine_config
[05:29] <BluesKaj> opened it with konq in the terminal
[05:30] <Hrontore> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[05:30] <Hrontore> ?
[05:34] <spawn57> how would I check if a card reader that's built into the notebook works with linux?
[05:34] <enno_> download a copy of knoppix
[05:34] <julle_> How do i empty the trash in kubuntu?
[05:35] <KaoticEvil> anyone free to lend a hand?
[05:35] <enno_> julle, klick on the icon in the kde bar and choose the button
[05:35] <enno_> sth like clear trash
[05:36] <julle_> enno_: but i dont see my trashcan
[05:36] <Tuumba> doesnt anyone know how to setup my tv card ???
[05:36] <meta-morph-OS> a guy in #SUSE keeps asking us ubuntu questions..will someone plz comeover and help him
[05:36] <enno_> than make a right klick on the kde bar and choose add mini-program
[05:37] <enno_> then search for the trash bin
[05:37] <julle_> ok
[05:37] <julle_> thx
[05:37] <enno_> ;-)
[05:37] <VonKrolok> Hello guys, I'm sorry to interrupt, I'm a Windows user about to be Converted to the real OS
[05:37] <VonKrolok> I was looking for some info if you can help
[05:37] <Ash-Fox> VonKrolok, go ahead.
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> im having some problems with a wireless connection
[05:38] <VonKrolok> first off: I'm a photoshop user, can I use photoshop on Linux expressively Kubuntu?
[05:38] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, such as?
[05:38] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: depends :)
[05:38] <cadkins> VonKrolok : you can use Wine to install PS7.  I run it just fine
[05:38] <VonKrolok> what do you mean Hyper?
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> Ash-Fox: well, XP and Vista will both connect to my wireless router
[05:38] <Tuumba> i think ubuntu doesnt support tv cards :S
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> Kubuntu Dapper, however, will not
[05:39] <cadkins> CS and CS2 do not install
[05:39] <hatta> sure it does, depending on the card
[05:39] <Ash-Fox> VonKrolok, depends on the version. http://appdb.winehq.org/ contains more information on which photoshop versions are supported and how well they're supported under wine
[05:39] <waylandbill> VonKrolok: another option is gimp
[05:39] <hatta> my geforce4mx440 tvout works just fine
[05:39] <Tuumba> tv cardss
[05:39] <hatta> and my hauppage wintv capture card works just fine too
[05:39] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: either run it through wine (or crossover office)... however that  did not work for me all too well... alternatively you could use some vm software to run a virtual windows
[05:39] <Ash-Fox> VonKrolok, another option is Krita, which has a similar interface to photoshop
[05:39] <frojnd> how can I instal USB Bluetooth adapter
[05:39] <Tuumba> how u did it
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> my Radeon VE used to work just fine too, btw :)
[05:39] <VonKrolok> I know of Gimp, but being used to photoshop workflow it's quite hard to change on the go
[05:39] <Tuumba> i m new on ubuntu
[05:40] <Tuumba> just trying set up it
[05:40] <hyper_ch> or there is a photoshop layout addon for gimp.. that makes the interface just look like photoshop
[05:40] <hatta> Tuumba, I googled for howtows
[05:40] <VonKrolok> Krita...will take a note of that
[05:40] <waylandbill> VonKrolok: pratice makes perfect. :-)
[05:40] <VonKrolok> tell me about it wayland...
[05:40] <cadkins> VonKrolok : I could never get used to Gimp.  Just couldn't do it.
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, close the wireless manager, do sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop, then open up the wireless manager and see if it works
[05:40] <Tuumba> hatta what is ur nation ?
[05:40] <hatta> US
[05:40] <Tuumba> i see ok...
[05:41] <johnf_> Is there a difference between running Kubuntu and installing KDE on Ubuntu?  Not really sure what Kubuntu
[05:41] <VonKrolok> next off: can I install Kubuntu on an NTFS partition? I mean Edgy Eft
[05:41] <hyper_ch> johnf_: yes there is
[05:41] <VonKrolok> I know the drivers just came out
[05:41] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, yes, kubuntu is presetup with kubuntu-desktop, not the kde meta package
[05:41] <hatta> hyper_ch, there is?
[05:41] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: you can't install it on a ntfs partition
[05:41] <hatta> what is it?
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> Ash-Fox: it detects the wireless network, and i can have it attempt to connect
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> VonKrolok, nope.
[05:42] <cadkins> VonKrolok : NTFS does not exist in Linux.  It will rewrite teh partition to extf3 I think
[05:42] <cadkins> It can see the partition though
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> but it always says "Connection Failed:
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, did you do what I said?
[05:42] <hyper_ch> hatta: kubuntu has kde nicely integrated and it looks nice when yu boot up... also default installed programs are different in kubuntu than when you have an ubuntu and add kubuntu-desktop or kde itself
[05:42] <VonKrolok> ok, so the file system is unique, nothing to do with FAT32
[05:42] <hatta> as I understood it, kubuntu was just ubuntu without ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop instead
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> doing it now
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> VonKrolok, generally more reliable/faster than NTFS/FAT32
[05:43] <cadkins> VonKrolok : yes
[05:43] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: you can't install it on fat32 either I think... as fat32 won't allow file permissions as does ext2/3
[05:43] <VonKrolok> ok, I was not comparing, knowing just them two I know nothing of the around situation
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> Unlike windows, you won't the previous version of a file that's been locked for writing too on NTFS, and you won't randomly lose files if you reset/crash/poweroff like in fat32
[05:44] <johnf_> thanks here is the issue- I have a client that wants to run some software I developed on Ubuntu but I need KDE. What do you guys suggest I tell him?
[05:44] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: however you can use fat32 as a common exchange partiton between your windows and linux install
[05:44] <Ash-Fox> *won't lose
[05:44] <VonKrolok> I would rather go for NTFS with the new NNTFS drivers
[05:44] <VonKrolok> FAT32 is a waste of time
[05:44] <VonKrolok> and of files
[05:44] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, do you need just the kdelibs?
[05:44] <hyper_ch> johnf_: this client has an ubuntu installed?
[05:44] <waylandbill> hatta: the question was difference between ubuntu with KDE and kubuntu. which there is. if they would've asked about kubuntu-desktop it would be different
[05:44] <johnf_> I developed the software for KDE not developed on Ubuntu
[05:45] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, what exactly do you need from KDE?
[05:45] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: I tend to think the ntfs-3g drivers still as experimental.... you might loos all the data when using those
[05:45] <hatta> waylandbill, I don't see your point
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> Ash-Fox: it still fails
[05:45] <VonKrolok> I see your point Hyper
[05:45] <johnf_> Well Yes ON kdelibs (used pykde) but would like KOffice etc too.
[05:45] <hyper_ch> johnf_: the easiest thing probably is to have him install the kubuntu-desktop --> in the shell:    sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[05:45] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, okay, well it's not the network managers conflicting -- what channel is your rotuer on?
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> 6
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, wep or wpa?
[05:46] <hyper_ch> johnf_: that should take care of all necessary kde libs and he should then be able to run the program from the gnome session
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> neither
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> im running unencrypted
[05:46] <VonKrolok> so, if I have a hard drive that has been formatted in one way or another Kubuntu, upon installation will reformat the drive according to its filesystem needs
[05:46] <waylandbill> hatta: if I install ubuntu and then apt-get kde, i don't get the same thing as installing ubuntu and apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> ... Okay
[05:46] <VonKrolok> am I right?
[05:46] <johnf_> Great that will work - thanks for the everyone!
[05:46] <hatta> oh I see
[05:46] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: chances are very, very slim that something will happen... but in case it does then you might loose all data on that ntfs partition :)
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, tell the wireless manager to forget all the settings, then try connecting again
[05:46] <KaoticEvil> i live in the middle of nowhere, this is the only wireless network around here lol
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, no don't tell him that
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, that will break his system
[05:47] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: when installing ubuntu it will ask what diskdrive/partition to use
[05:47] <waylandbill> KaoticEvil: with the right equipment, someone can snif wireless up to miles away.
[05:47] <KaoticEvil> it got to "Testing Connection" then failed
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, if you just want standard kde, you can install the 'kde' package, but that's a lot of packages
[05:47] <VonKrolok> using some sort of fdisk as far as I can gather
[05:47] <johnf_> Really ?  So what do I tell him?
[05:47] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: you could resize your ntfs partitions beforehand and then you can let the largest non-partitioned space to be used
[05:48] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: or you could manually resize the ntfs partitions during the ubuntu install and set up all on your own
[05:48] <johnf_> Sounds like he is better off with Kubuntu RIGHT?
[05:48] <Ash-Fox> johnf_, as I said, if you just want the standard KDE installation, you can tell him to install the 'kde' package. but its' really a lot of packages, what exactly does your program rely on? we can install less packages that way.
[05:49] <KaoticEvil> i dont get it... Vista and XP connect just fine
[05:49] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: what I did when I first installed linux I used partitionmagic to resize my ntfs partition :) but before resizing you need to defragment it 1-2 times
[05:50] <Ash-Fox> Anyone happen to know of a way in a bash script to determine if a port is open or not?
[05:50] <VonKrolok> ok, assume I have a laptop with 1 partition NTFS and a winXP pro installed on it
[05:50] <Hrontore> okay quicktime has been running for to long
[05:50] <VonKrolok> I don't care of what's on it
[05:50] <johnf_> the prg is an inventory program written in Python using the pyKDE module for several of the interfaces.  Also interfaces to KOffice via DCop
[05:50] <Hrontore> i think its just installing over and over
[05:50] <VonKrolok> I put in the cd
[05:50] <Alumin> Ash-Fox: you could use netstat or fuser
[05:50] <VonKrolok> and hit the install icon
[05:50] <VonKrolok> what happens?
[05:51] <Ash-Fox> VonKrolok, you get a language prompt, then it asks you what you want todo with your harddrive, if you want to use the entire harddrive, resize your existing partition and install kubuntu etc.
[05:51] <Alumin> VonKrolok: you'll be prompted to repartition I'd asume
[05:51] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: you should care... do you want to dual-boot... meaning having the option of booting into windows or booting into linux at the start?
[05:52] <VonKrolok> I would like to have dual bott yes, so I can have my photoshop on win XP without probs
[05:52] <VonKrolok> boot*
[05:52] <Hrontore> okay how do i stop the quicktime installer, its just running over and over
[05:52] <pablo_> hi
[05:52] <Hrontore> hey
[05:52] <Hrontore> what up?
[05:53] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: ok, then before you install ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu or edubuntu I recommend to (1) make backups (2) defragment your harddisk
[05:53] <pablo_> ubuntu is the best OS
[05:53] <Dr_willis> defrag/scandisk - befor resizing is suggested
[05:53] <Dr_willis> using a 2nd dedicated hard drive.. is even better. :)
[05:53] <pablo_> yeah
[05:53] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: words to live by
[05:54] <Alumin> do you guys trust non-native partition tools to resize NTFS?
[05:54] <waylandbill> especially step 1
[05:54] <Alumin> y'all are braver than I
[05:54] <pablo_> gparted
[05:54] <VonKrolok> I don't care of what's inside the harddrive
[05:54] <pablo_> yeah
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Alumin,  i cant say that ive ever seen them trash a system... I have seen partition magic trash stuff... :)
[05:54] <VonKrolok> I will mirror it anyway
[05:54] <waylandbill> Alumin: I've resized ntfs with Linux partitioning tools many times.
[05:54] <hyper_ch> Alumin: I have done a couple of times resizing with PartitionMagic and it always worked fine for me... however one of my buddies tried it on his computer and everything got corrupted.... resizing a partition is ALWAYS a risk
[05:55] <Dr_willis> but this is why  it 'pays to backup'
[05:55] <johnf_> Thanks all I just finished reading the website and it has all the information I need.
[05:55] <waylandbill> no matter what tool you use there is risk.
[05:55] <pablo_> do you know haw can I do for speed up internet?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> power failure during resize = bad
[05:55] <Hrontore> when installing windows apps where do i put them?
[05:55] <hyper_ch> pablo_: is your router IPv6 compatible?
[05:55] <Alumin> partitionmatic I would trust (well, as much as I trust _anything_ to resize NTFS)...those guys actually have support from MS with the filesystem format
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Hrontore,  you use wine.. and it makes a .wine dir to keep things in.
[05:55] <hyper_ch> pablo_: if not, then you can deactivate IPv6... that will speed up things
[05:55] <pablo_> mmm... i dont know
[05:56] <hyper_ch> pablo_: then you could try to disable it
[05:56] <Hrontore> so when it goes to other installations like quick time just okay okay okay
[05:56] <Alumin> which is interesting considering Dr_willis' experiences :p
[05:56] <pablo_> yeah... how can i do it?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> >hic< wine
[05:57] <hyper_ch> pablo_: google for it... ubuntu disable ipv6 --> that should return something... or then search the ubuntu forum
[05:57] <VonKrolok> ok, I back up then as far as I'm concerned I can have even a blank disk freshly formatted
[05:57] <VonKrolok> prob still stays
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Ive had so many problems with Partition magic.. that i dont even use it any more.. (cant afford to anyway)
[05:57] <pablo_> thanks.
[05:57] <VonKrolok> can I format with Kubuntu CD?
[05:57] <waylandbill> Dr_willis: oh yeah. I've had a power failure during a resize before. :-/
[05:57] <Dr_willis> the gparted live cd's seem to work well for me.
[05:57] <pablo_> hyper_ch: thanks
[05:57] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: yes, you can format with the kubuntu cd... but lets try first dual-booting :)
[05:58] <Hrontore> okay Dr_willis how do i  stop the quicktime installer, its just running
[05:58] <VonKrolok> ok, go on
[05:58] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: ok, now that you have backuped your data... do disk defragmentation on the ntfs drive
[05:58] <hyper_ch> that will take some time
[05:58] <waylandbill> I've had problems with partition tragic too. GPartEd livecd does just fine.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Hrontore,  if ya can see the window use 'xkill' perhaps.. or pkill wine,  i rarely mess with wine much any more
[05:58] <BluesKaj> Hrontore, exit the terminal
[05:59] <Hrontore> done
[05:59] <Hrontore> ...
[05:59] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: best to run defragmentation 2-3 times
[05:59] <hyper_ch> it will be much quicker the 2nd and 3rd time
[05:59] <VonKrolok> of course
[05:59] <VonKrolok> please carry on
[05:59] <Dr_willis> i found it odd one day when i formated a new drive under windows.. and it had 1 file on it that was fraggmented.. (3k file) :)
[06:00] <waylandbill> :)
[06:00] <Hrontore> ahh, the bars fills goes to zero, then fills again
[06:00] <Hrontore> make the bad man stop!!
[06:01] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: you have the live cd or do you use the alternate one?
[06:01] <VonKrolok> LiveCD
[06:01] <VonKrolok> but it takes nothing to get the other
[06:02] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: I tend to think the install is smoother with the alternate cd... do you have two pcs?
[06:02] <VonKrolok> as a matter of fact I have 3
[06:03] <hyper_ch> good :) well then get the alternate one... it's better for install... the live cd sometimes has a few problems
[06:03] <Dr_willis> i agree there.. alt-cd install seems to work better
[06:03] <VonKrolok> no prob
[06:04] <hyper_ch> (although I have to add, the first time I installed from the live-cd I had no problems either....)
[06:04] <VonKrolok> if it's prooven smoother I have no prob in getting the other CD with a 2Mbit connection ;)
[06:04] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: also upload 2mbit?
[06:05] <VonKrolok> unfortunately not
[06:05] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: same here... 1 mbit download... 250kbit upload
[06:05] <VonKrolok> anyway, lets get back to business
[06:06] <VonKrolok> as I start the installation in the free partition everything should go smoothly
[06:06] <VonKrolok> asking if I want to install a boot menu
[06:06] <VonKrolok> am I missing something?
[06:07] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: well, just go ahead until you are at the partition thingy.... there you then select manual partitioning or setup... I don't remember what exactely it was called
[06:07] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: from there we can help again
[06:07] <VonKrolok> that was a drill man, I'm not installing it now
[06:07] <VonKrolok> I'm moving out of my appartment, as soon as I settle in the new I'll sort it out
[06:08] <VonKrolok> but I appreciate your dedication ;)
[06:08] <hyper_ch> well, upon the partition menu select "manually2 or something similar
[06:08] <VonKrolok> I wanted to make up my mind on how it works
[06:08] <hyper_ch> then you first have to resize your current one
[06:08] <hyper_ch> once that is done you can then create new ones
[06:09] <hyper_ch> recommended is a swap partition (type: swap) with about the double size of your ram
[06:09] <VonKrolok> use of which?
[06:09] <hyper_ch> then a "root" partition (type "ext3" and mounting point "/") which should be at least 5gb... I prefer 10GB myself
[06:10] <hyper_ch> and thrid I would create a "home" partition (type "ext3" and mountin point "/home") --> make this as big as you want... this is where your "Documents and Settings" are being stored
[06:10] <hyper_ch> to say it in windows terms :)
[06:10] <hyper_ch> it's very good to have that as an own partition :)
[06:10] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: what do you mean "use of which"?
[06:11] <VonKrolok> the use of the swap partition and which filesystem it should have?
[06:12] <VonKrolok> what is the use of a swap partition and which file system shall I use?
[06:13] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: use filesystem "swap" for the swap... this is the virtual ram...
[06:14] <hyper_ch> VonKrolok: in windows it's that big huge file in c:\
[06:14] <VonKrolok> page file...
[06:14] <hyper_ch> pagesys or something
[06:14] <VonKrolok> i got it now
[06:14] <hyper_ch> in linux you have it on an own partition
[06:14] <VonKrolok> keep it safe uh ;)
[06:14] <Alzi2> Hi everyone. I was wondering how i could split my harddisk so that my home directory is on a seperate partition, to make things run faster. It's not the case now. The thing i need help with is.... read the text i just gave you!
[06:14] <jhutchins> VonKrolok: The swap partition increases your effective memory; you usually don't need to format it, just mark it as swap.
[06:15] <jhutchins> VonKrolok: If you need to format it, the program is "mkswap".
[06:15] <VonKrolok> I know, virtual memory on fisical
[06:15] <VonKrolok> smashing ;)
[06:15] <jhutchins> VonKrolok: Make it approximately 2x your physical RAM up to 2G.
[06:15] <VonKrolok> yeah, I got that
[06:15] <jhutchins> VonKrolok: It's also possible to use a swap file instead.
[06:16] <VonKrolok> but I guess a dedicated partition is better
[06:16] <jhutchins> Alzi2: It won't run any faster that way.
[06:16] <waylandbill> Alzi2: create a parition for home and mount it as such.
[06:16] <jhutchins> Alzi2: The main thing about a seperate home is that you can change the rest of the linux system without changing your own data.
[06:16] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Unfortunately, the hidden config files can cause serious problems if you do that.
[06:17] <jhutchins> Alzi2: I recommend using a single partition unless you have seperate drives.
[06:17] <jhutchins> Alzi2: That way all of your space is available to whatever you need it for.
[06:18] <waylandbill> Changing the distro can cause problems with a seperate home, but clean installing the same distro does great with seperate home.
[06:18] <linracoon> its imposible to install kubuntu-ppc 6.02
[06:18] <linracoon> any help?
[06:18] <linracoon> when i enter startx gives error
[06:19] <Alzi2> jhutchins: Hmm... how to get things to run faster, then? i'm trying to optimise my pc because it has gotten fairly slow
[06:19] <hyper_ch> linracoon: what error?
[06:20] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Simplify your window manager.  Turn off effects and toys, remove applets from the system tray.  Run a simpler window manager like xfce.
[06:20] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Add more RAM.
[06:20] <Alzi2> jhutchins: So i have to say goodbye to KDE? why?
[06:20] <waylandbill> faster CPU. :-)
[06:21] <jhutchins> Alzi2: You don't have to, but if you want speed you have to trade something.
[06:21] <Alzi2> hmm........ but that means i have to switch my desktop environment YET AGAIN and i'm tired of that...
[06:21] <waylandbill> Alzi2: turn off all the services you don't need running all the time.
[06:21] <hyper_ch> Alzi2: what computer specs do you have?
[06:21] <jhutchins> Then don't, just turn off services, effects.
[06:21] <Alzi2> because, i was once bored of XFCE and decided to try KDE, then GNOME, then KDE, then XFCE, and so on.
[06:22] <jhutchins> Alzi2: KDE does use more resources, especially if you have things like transparency and animations enabled.
[06:22] <waylandbill> features always come at a cost.
[06:22] <jhutchins> Alzi2: On the other hand, KDE uses more shared code than any other system, so if you use all KDE apps, it's more efficient over all.
[06:22] <Alzi2> hyper_ch: Motherboard: PCchips M811LU with 8xAGP 5xPCI 6xUSB2.0 and CNR. CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+. Memory: 512MB RAM. Harddisk: Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM. Videocard: ATI Radeon 9250SE.
[06:22] <jhutchins> To quote the original Mad Max, "Speed costs money.  How fast do you want to go?".
[06:23] <waylandbill> Alzi2: sounds like my home system. It moves along pretty nicely.
[06:23] <hyper_ch> Alzi2: you have 3d running for your ati card?
[06:23] <jhutchins> Mine's about the same, runs as fast as I need.
[06:23] <Alzi2> hyper_ch: open-source radeon driver, aiglx disabled
[06:23] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Where are you trying to get more speed?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> more ram would help.
[06:24] <Alzi2> jhutchins: Overall computer performance (happens in Windows too), harddisk and application startup. Menu's and desktop switching
[06:24] <Dr_willis> more ram always helps. :)
[06:24] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Wow.  I don't see any significant lag in any of that here, and I've got a slower processor.
[06:24] <Alzi2> I am not willing to spend any money because i don't have that.
[06:25] <jhutchins> Alzi2: About the only thing you can do is to get a faster disk then.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> ive ran kde on similer systems.. but with more ram.. no issues.
[06:25] <Alzi2> jhutchins: This computer has the strange habit to become slower and slower after more and more use. Rebooting doesn't help. It just gets slower and slower every time you use it
[06:25] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Get a 10k, or go with _physical_, not software, RAID.
[06:25] <jhutchins> Alzi2: How much free disk space?
[06:25] <Alzi2> jhutchins: Filesystem is EXT3.
[06:25] <Alzi2> jhutchins: 42% in use of /dev/hda2:mountpoint /
[06:25] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Could be you have a thermal problem.  Install the lmsensors package.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> he may not have DMA enabled for some reason also.
[06:26] <Alzi2> jhutchins: Package lmsensors not found
[06:27] <Alzi2> /dev/hda:
[06:27] <Alzi2>  Timing buffered disk reads:  120 MB in  3.12 seconds =  38.52 MB/sec
[06:28] <Alzi2> /dev/hda:
[06:28] <Alzi2>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[06:30] <MarkC> what app do i get if i want to edit pdf files?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> hmm  Timing buffered disk reads:   46 MB in  0.84 seconds =  54.89 MB/sec
[06:30] <Dr_willis> thats on my sata drive
[06:30] <Dr_willis> cheap upgrade = more ram.
[06:31] <Heavenquake> I want to rip an audio CD. It complains about no encoder. How do I get one? I would like to rip as FLAC
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Heavenquake,  fire up the package manager and install some.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> !find flac
[06:31] <ubotu> Found: flac, libflac++-dev, libflac++5c2, libflac-dev, libflac-doc (and 12 others)
[06:31] <hyper_ch> Dr_willis: how do you get that disk drive data?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> hybrid,  sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda1
[06:31] <Dr_willis> i think the sudo is needed.. not sure
[06:32] <Alzi2> !lmsensors
[06:32] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[06:33] <hyper_ch> Dr_willis: thx :)
[06:33] <bxnp> good somebody check this picture out, and point me a solutrion for my redrawing problem for my windows decoration http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/garba.png
[06:33] <Hrontore> just so im clear, i dont need to change any of the file settings when installing with wine?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Hrontore,  installing what with wine?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> and what filesettings?
[06:33] <Hrontore> itunesetup.exe
[06:34] <Alzi2> jhutchins: Does it help choosing another filesystem?
[06:34] <Dr_willis> wine itunesetup.exe and keep hitting 'next' i guess.
[06:34] <bxnp> what about itumessetup.exe Hrontore
[06:34] <Hrontore> its installes the ipod drivers, quicktime and itunes
[06:34] <Dr_willis> good luck :) you may need it.
[06:34] <bxnp> did you read the story from surgy
[06:34] <Hrontore> ill take it
[06:34] <waylandbill> or run amarok or gtkpod
[06:35] <bxnp> Hrontore: http://www.postproductie.nl/?p=9
[06:36] <Alzi2> jhutchins: CPU temperature is 40 degrees
[06:37] <hyper_ch> Alzi2: celsius? fahrenheit?
[06:37] <Alzi2> hyper_ch: celsius
[06:41] <bxnp> anybody know a solution for my decoration drawing problem
[06:42] <Lynx-> Is there any panel applet in KDE that would show network traffic status?
[06:43] <Zapt> tons!
[06:43] <jhutchins> Alzi2: Check the temps when you first star up, then when you notice the slow-down.  Might be other than CPU.
[06:43] <Zapt> l
[06:43] <Zapt> Lynx-: Use Superkaramba with Aero
[06:43] <bxnp> yes
[06:43] <bxnp> Lynx-:
[06:43] <bxnp> install knemo
[06:43] <bxnp> it looks nice
[06:43] <bxnp> and works good
[06:43] <Lynx-> ok, I shall try both of them, thanks
[06:43] <bxnp> and you can configure it for different interfaces
[06:44] <bxnp> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12956
[06:44] <Alzi2> Is it worth switching to Xfce?
[06:45] <Zapt> Alzi2: Depends on the things you want to do
[06:45] <Zapt> If you have an old machine, maybe yes
[06:45] <NotFaint> Hi... busy in here?
[06:45] <bxnp> Lynx-: http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/garba.png take a look at the icon next to the clock on top that is knemo Lynx-
[06:45] <Lynx-> mm
[06:46] <Lynx-> It's not actually the thing I'm looking for
[06:46] <NotFaint> I wondered if anyone might be able to answer some questions I have about QTPartEd I'm running off the Kubuntu live-CD.
[06:46] <Lynx-> I want to see some kind of graph built-in in the panel
[06:46] <bxnp> oh ke