[00:14] <leagris> Got a Fritz!BOX 7270 replacing the asthmatic Livebox from Orange. I am so impressed Work like a charm with Ubuntu or any Linux. Everything from IPv6, SIP phone line, DECT station, fast wireless. Good job from the Germans AVM.
[00:16] <leagris> Downloads reach 2500Kb/s instead of the almost 1100Kb/s from the crapware rented à 3€/months.
[00:16] <penguin42> you have a DSL provider that does IPv6 ?
[00:16] <leagris> penguin42, used to with nerim, but now just using SIXXS
[00:17] <Daekdroom> 3euros/month for 1100kb/s ? O.o
[00:17] <leagris> penguin42, do a /whois leagris
[00:17] <Daekdroom> That is cheap.
[00:17] <penguin42> yeh I saw it was IPv6
[00:17] <leagris> Daekdroom, only for renting their box. DSL line subscription is 39€/months
[00:17] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[00:17] <Daekdroom> Well, still sort of cheap.
[00:18] <leagris> short line of 700m
[00:18] <leagris> got near the maximum of ADSL2+ ATM rate with low errors
[00:19] <leagris> their Livebox synked at same ATM speed but the cheap CPU heavily limited usable IP bandwidth.
[00:20] <Daekdroom> I understand you, I used to run a USB ADSL modem over USB 1.1 D:
[00:34] <penguin42> Daekdroom: One of the old stingray/frog alcatels?
[00:35] <Daekdroom> penguin42, Yeah!
[00:35] <penguin42> yeh I used that for a while
[00:35] <Daekdroom> I still have it somewhere in here.
[00:35] <Daekdroom> It looks like an oversized mouse :P
[00:36] <leagris> :)
[00:37] <leagris> Alcatel merged with Lucent, seems they no longer brand end-user modems now.
[00:49] <leagris> sorry for the long OT, was meant to ubuntu-offtopic ;D
[00:52] <penguin42> is anyone running maverick in a VM system other than kvm?
[02:10] <Lostwf> Hello all
[02:11] <Lostwf> Can any one point me to where i can find the pool for maverick meerkat? I have tried archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and I still need 214 files to complete my iso
[02:12] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror
[02:12] <BUGabundo> (2010-06-26 22:23:32) jpds: debmirror lets one specify --arch'es and --releases if I recall correctly.
[02:12] <BUGabundo> Lostwf: try that
[02:13] <Lostwf> Thanks BUGd will try
[02:16] <Lostwf> Does debmirror download the complete pool for the release?
[02:19] <BUGabundo> eewwww
[02:19] <BUGabundo> VLC just memory leaked :(
[02:19] <BUGabundo> Lostwf: it should, I think
[02:20] <Lostwf> I dont have enough bandwith limit to download the whole pool. I just need some (200) files which are not in the current archive pool to complete the iso that I am downloading via jigdo
[02:23] <BUGabundo> why don't you use zsync intead?
[02:47] <CrazyHyena> hello
[02:48] <CrazyHyena> will the next version of ubuntu continue to be lightweight in resource usage?
[04:22] <alex_mayorga> how do I get a listing of bluetooth devices paired to the computer with mac addresses?
[04:29] <psusi> is anyone else still having the issue with the bluetooth and power manager icons showing up all the time, or did it get fixed?
[04:52] <DanaG> alex_mayorga: you can ask bluez over dbus.
[04:53] <DanaG> do "pidof bluetoothd"... and then a dbus send I'm digging up.
[04:55] <DanaG> argh, I've forgotten what the command was...
[04:55] <DanaG> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/22211/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.ListDevices
[04:55] <DanaG> where 22211 is the pid of bluetoothd.
[04:56] <DanaG> And for each device, you can
[04:56] <DanaG> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/22211/hci0/dev_00_02_72_A9_2B_03 org.bluez.Device.GetProperties
[05:09] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: is "00_02_72_A9_2B_03" the MAC address?
[05:10] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:10] <DanaG> You can get the full device string from the ListDevices.
[05:12] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: guess I'm messing up at some point
[05:12] <alex_mayorga> dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/1205/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.ListDevices
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> gets me Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "ListDevices" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist
[05:13] <DanaG> hmm.
[05:14] <DanaG> try installing d-feet, and you can dig around in the stuff Bluez is offering.
[05:14] <DanaG> It's also possible you have hci1 instead of hci0.
[05:15] <alex_mayorga> installing d-feet
[05:15] <DanaG> Bluez is on the "system" bus.
[05:16] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: thanks, really appreciated hopefully I could be able to extract the mac address of my stolen bluetooth devices :(
[05:16] <DanaG> argh, this new Unity thing, in my experience, seems to only have a panel on the left side.
[05:16] <alex_mayorga> is d-feet a gui?
[05:16] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:17] <alex_mayorga> Bus Address?
[05:18] <DanaG> Go in the File menu... there's "system" there.
[05:18] <DanaG> Yeah, that UI seems to suck.
[05:18] <DanaG> No button for "system"
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> seems I had the pid wrong
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> why might that be?
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> ps -fea | grep bluetoothdroot      1205     1  0 21:14 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd --udev
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> but object paths are /org/bluez/1203/hci0
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> is that a bug?
[05:22] <DanaG> ah. weird.
[05:22] <DanaG> That IS weird.
[05:23] <DanaG> ah, all I get when running Unity is a panel on the left.
[05:25] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: Thanks immensely I found the address
[05:25] <alex_mayorga> I think being unable of seeing the MAC address in the GUI is a gnome-bluetooth bug, your take?
[05:26] <DanaG> Probably a "feature".
[05:26] <DanaG> Keep things simple.... to the point of uselessness.
[05:27] <DanaG> With gnome-bluetooth: Okay, I've paired my device.  Now what can I do with it?
[05:27] <DanaG> With gnome-bluetooth, the answer is approximately "nothing".
[05:27] <DanaG> Try "blueman" instead -- it actually lets you CONNECT to devices -- imagine that!
[05:27] <alex_mayorga> yep, BTW does 10.10 now does 3G over bluetooth?
[05:28] <alex_mayorga> finding it hard to do on 10.04
[05:28] <DanaG> Blueman can probably do it even in Lucid.
[05:28] <alex_mayorga> can they co-exist?
[05:28] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[05:29] <DanaG> Looks like the main repo blueman can coexist with gnome-bluetooth.
[05:34] <DanaG> argh, stupid unity... demands using Mutter.  Well, I want to use Compiz.
[05:35] <coz_> DanaG,  :)  too bad it wont happen :)
[05:35] <DanaG> I say, things shouldn't be that tightly integrated... it's the sort of thing my classes have said are bad design.
[05:36] <coz_> DanaG,  ah  perhaps you are correct... I personally would rather run compiz but... being a netbook...doesnt that automatically mean fewer resources at hand yes  ?
[05:36] <DanaG> I have compiz tweaked to be reasonable.  No wobbly on the netbook.
[05:37] <DanaG> Lamp animations for minimize and menu create/destroy.  "dream" for window-create, and "sidekick" for window close.
[05:37] <coz_> eeww  no wobbly??  I forget what static windows feel like :)
[05:37] <DanaG> Or wait, maybe I re-enabled that.
[05:37] <DanaG> Yeah, I think I did... the other "snapping" is way too forceful.
[05:38] <DanaG> Oh, and random gripe: try pressing arrow keys while using a touchpad.
[05:38] <DanaG> Apparently arrow keys are considered "typing".
[05:38] <DanaG> It disables the touchpad.
[05:38] <DanaG> Good luck typing anything with just arrow keys.
[05:38] <coz_> :)
[05:38] <DanaG> ↑←←→↑↓↓↓←→↑→→→←↓
[05:38] <coz_> DanaG,  I have been playing with kde's netbook edition   much nicer than gnome's << my opinion
[05:39] <coz_> DanaG,  compiz doesnt seem to disable there but of not much use it seems
[05:39] <DanaG> Last time I tried KDE, it was too bulky for my liking.
[05:39] <coz_> but let me check again hold on while I 'scoot" over to the maverick machine
[05:39] <coz_> DanaG,  the beta kde is really  and I am a kde hater :)
[05:40] <DanaG> Oh, and bulky != bloaty.
[05:40] <DanaG> Bulk is "too many pixels".
[05:40] <DanaG> I'll try KDE on the netbook.
[05:41] <DanaG> heh, my GDM panel is too wide for my netbook's screen.
[05:41] <DanaG> Gets cut off at "sh (United States)"
[05:41] <DanaG> And the accessibility "tray" icon overlaps the right dropdown.
[05:42] <coz_> DanaG,  yeah compiz stays enabled with kde's beta netbook  at least here it does
[05:43] <DanaG> And kwin is nice enough on its own that, worst case, it's better than Mutter, for sure.
[05:45] <coz_> DanaG,  well I was surprised at kde netbook.. it is nice looking...nothing off screen  no crowding etc etc
[05:49] <DanaG> weird... somehow my KDE gets a gnome panel.
[05:51] <DanaG> ah, it's in autostart.
[05:55] <DanaG> site: your valid user.  username: (text box).  password: (text box).
[05:55] <DanaG> What is that?
[05:56] <DanaG> Argh, if I hold it in the exposé thingy, I see two windows appear, disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear, appear, disappear
[05:57] <DanaG> ah, fixed it by cleaning out autostart.
[05:58] <DanaG> What is "this site"?
[05:58] <DanaG> it wants me to log into something.
[06:00] <coz_> DanaG,  in the netbook?
[06:00] <DanaG> Yeah.
[06:00] <coz_> DanaG,  not sure other than maybe bug reports
[06:00] <DanaG> http://dot.kde.org/2009/05/01/social-desktop-starts-arrive
[06:00] <coz_> DanaG,  seems to happen here each time I log into netbook
[06:01] <coz_> oh!
[06:01] <coz_> DanaG,  the interface is much nicer  yes?
[06:03] <coz_> well it is 1am here...need to go to bed
[06:06] <DanaG> ugh, system monitor widget is buggy... it keeps spazzing between small and big.
[06:09] <DanaG> ugh, yeah, netbook thingy is buggy.
[06:25] <DanaG> wow, this "netbook" session is lame... there's a menu button that does nothing, and a blank desktop.
[06:32] <DanaG> How useless.
[06:32] <DanaG> And alt-f2 doesn't work.  And there's no "terminal" shortcut.
[07:01] <DanaG> argh, what a broken shell.  There's no way to start anything that's not on the list on the left!
[07:40] <Jordan_U> DanaG: I think it's safe to say that you are outside the target demographic :)
[09:15] <szonek> hi
[09:15] <szonek> i have a problem installing 10.04 on fakeraid, i know this bug was fixed lately (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/grub-installer/+bug/568050), is there any ISO that integrates this fix?
[09:16] <ikonia> szonek: 10.04 support is in #ubuntu - not #ubuntu+1
[09:17] <szonek> yeah i know.. i tried to find 10.04 daily builds or something like that but all i found was daily builds for 10.10
[09:17] <szonek> so i thougt i can make sure there is none daily builds for 10.04
[09:18] <ikonia> ok - so again, 10.04 support is in #ubuntu - not #ubuntu+1
[09:18] <szonek> okay okay
[11:37] <Fudge> heh
[12:17] <sylon> why does kernel modesetting actually increase CPU usage when playing video in xine and cause artifacts? also increases CPU usage in gstreamer based players to the point where video stutters,  i thought KMS was supposed to fix tearing issues with video...  I have a X2300 RV535 radeon by the way
[12:35] <BUGabundo> morning
[12:35] <Ian_corne> hello
[14:32] <DrHalan> hey all
[15:29] <penguin42> fun bug that's in Maverick (from 2.6.35) - the sysrq code is a bit screwy - so you can trigger a reboot by doing; press&release right-alt, p&r print-screen, p&r b
[15:32] <Daekdroom> What the?
[15:33] <penguin42> I noticed on lkml and just gave it a go on my maverick install
[15:47] <IdleOne> penguin42: alt-F2 triggered a reboot for me about 2 days ago :/
[15:48] <penguin42> IdleOne: It may be unrelated, but if sometime previously you had used printscreen and b ....
[15:49] <IdleOne> penguin42: could be. my kitten has been having a good old time irc'ing lately
[15:49] <penguin42> they seem to be very good at that
[15:50] <IdleOne> actually my computer did not reboot. it locked up. I had to hit the reset button to get it to reboot
[15:50] <penguin42> oh, that's a different case
[15:50] <IdleOne> keyboard lights were flashing
[15:50] <penguin42> that was  a panic
[15:50] <IdleOne> mouse and kb were not responsive
[15:51] <IdleOne> but it seemed to happen when I did alt-F2
[15:51] <penguin42> quite possibly triggered something
[15:52] <IdleOne> Temporary solution: don't do alt-F2
[15:52] <IdleOne> :)
[16:00] <BUGabundo> [12631.533610] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x990000 action 0xe frozen
[16:00] <BUGabundo> [12638.313896] EXT2-fs (sdb1): previous I/O error to superblock detected
[16:00] <BUGabundo> not in a good luck week
[16:02] <penguin42> ah
[17:08] <BUGabundo> Long Live MPLAYER....
[17:08] <BUGabundo> since mplayer is sooo broken
[17:08] <BUGabundo> and gstreamer too that even vlc memory leaks
[17:09] <BUGabundo> mplayer keeps going and going and going.... and going
[18:26] <dupondje> SD cards broken ?
[18:26] <dupondje> Got command interrupt 0x00030000 even though no command operation was in progress.
[18:42]  * penguin42 finds something fixed in Maverick! dcraw's new version can read my cameras files
[19:38] <DanaG> ARGH!
[19:39] <DanaG> Somehow I'm ending up with /dev/fb0 being uvesafb, and /dev/fb1 being radondrmfb.
[19:39] <DanaG> And gdm isn't even trying to start.
[19:41] <knittl> hi, why is xulrunner-1.9.2 kept back?
[19:46] <DanaG> ARGH!
[19:46] <DanaG> On a fresh install, why is gdm not even trying to start?
[19:50] <om26er> knittl, because you are using the development release of ubuntu. :)
[19:50] <knittl> om26er: lol ^^
[19:50] <knittl> i'm aware of that
[19:50] <knittl> it's been almost a week now, that's why i ask. usually i can remove some other packages
[19:51] <DrHalan> how do i get non-free packagse for maverick?
[19:51] <DrHalan> https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/maverick
[19:51] <DrHalan> meidbuntu seems to have nothing yet..
[20:00] <DanaG> "Use default (generic) configuration"
[20:00] <DanaG> I press OK on that, it takes me nowhere but where I just was.
[20:00] <DanaG> It's insisting on going into failsafe mode, yet the "view log file" is ENTIRELY EMPTY!
[20:01] <dupondje> DrHalan: lucid packages may work
[20:01] <dupondje> medibuntu gets in @ beta1 normally
[20:01] <DrHalan> mh i have the lucid packages still installed so they dont i guess
[20:03] <DrHalan> mh beta1 is stil a long way to go
[20:03] <DrHalan> mplayer works atleast
[20:06] <DanaG> AT+GCAP
[20:06] <DanaG> something keeps writing that to my serial console.
[20:06] <DanaG> AT+GCAP
[20:06] <DanaG> AT+GCAP
[20:07] <SwedeMike> http://www.anotherurl.com/library/at_test.htm says it's fax related
[20:09] <guntbert> DanaG: that something tries to talk to a modem
[20:09] <DanaG> yeah, looks like it's NetworkManager.
[20:10] <DanaG> It does it exactly 3 times every boot.
[20:15] <DrHalan> are we already in freeze for alpha 2?
[20:41] <mxe5> Installed 10.4 on a friends computer - Been a few months since I installed the correct version of Java for Frostwire to work - anyone help on this?
[20:42] <penguin42> mxe5: This channel is for Maverick (10.10) - try #ubuntu please
[20:42] <mxe5> oh ok - sorry
[20:43] <penguin42> mxe5: Thanks, but try checking under the partner repos
[20:43] <mxe5> I do have #ubuntu - clicked on wrong one - thx
[20:43] <mxe5> penguin42: Ok wil do - thanks
[21:13] <dupondje> damn
[21:14] <dupondje> ubuntu-one seem to kill nautilus speed:(
[21:18] <BUGabundo> it does?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I don't see the top bar
[21:18] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:18] <BUGabundo> but the bug wasn't closed
[21:19] <DanaG> I tried the new Unity, and found it useless.
[21:19] <DanaG> It had about 5 shortcuts on the left bar, and no way to launch anything not in those 5.
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I need to try it again
[21:20] <BUGabundo> but I never logout :(
[21:21] <BUGabundo> *if* it would allow multi session users , I could test it a bit more
[21:21] <BUGabundo> jcastro: ^^^^^^^^
[21:21] <DrHalan> how does unity compete with the old netbook edition performance-wise?
[21:21] <DanaG> Well, performance is irrelevant, when it's 100% useless.
[21:21] <jcastro> DanaG: the applications thing just landed, click on the ubuntu logo
[21:21] <DanaG> The desktop is entirely blank.
[21:22] <DanaG> Last time I tried clicking the logo, it just went into "exposé' mode.
[21:22] <dupondje> BUGabundo: is nautilus also so EXTREMELY slow for you ? :p
[21:22] <jcastro> you need to update
[21:22] <DanaG> This time, it did showdesktop.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: from my early testing it was MUCH faster
[21:22] <DrHalan> niceee
[21:22] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no
[21:23] <DanaG> And I don't like having my panels locked down to be uncustomizable.
[21:23] <DrHalan> i have the Eee 701 (first one released) its already to slow for the normal netbook edition
[21:23] <dupondje>  7814 jl        20   0 90072  16m 4128 R   10  0.8   0:00.32 ubuntuone-syncd
[21:23] <dupondje> and 50% cpu load
[21:24] <dupondje> when opening a directory with 500 JPEG's
[21:24] <DanaG> yeah, ubuntuone sucks... it devours my CPU quite completely.
[21:24] <DanaG> Try it with your pidgin logs.
[21:24] <dupondje> been opening for 30 seconds now
[21:24] <dupondje> still don't see thizzle :(
[21:24] <DanaG> Devours 100% of one Core 2 Duo core!
[21:24] <gnomefreak> dupondje: stop it from loading
[21:24] <DanaG> And I can't delete folders with u1sdtool... it doesn't work.
[21:24] <dupondje> gnomefreak: how exactly ?
[21:25] <gnomefreak> dupondje: System>Preferences>startup applications
[21:25] <gnomefreak> dupondje: look for it and uncheak it
[21:25] <DanaG> That's not enough -- I had to actually dpkg-divert ubuntuone-syncdaemon out of the way.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i have all ubuntu1 set not not load
[21:26] <gnomefreak> dupondje: it works for me fine
[21:26] <dupondje> lets see :)
[21:26] <dupondje> cause its loading the directory for 2 minutes now
[21:26] <dupondje> this is to crazy imo
[21:26] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@development:~$ ps aux |grep ubuntuone
[21:26] <gnomefreak> 1000      8743  0.0  0.2   1928   524 pts/3    S+   16:26   0:00 grep ubuntuone
[21:27] <gnomefreak> ill be back testing firefox release
[21:28] <DanaG> the delete-folders method on dbus doesn't actually work.
[21:29] <DanaG> Nope, still blank desktop when I run "unity".
[21:31] <DanaG> er, wait, lots of packages in need of updating.
[21:32] <penguin42> DanaG: Are you running it in a vm ?
[21:32] <dupondje> gnomefreak: no ubuntuone process running, but it still gets loaded when opening a directory :(
[21:32] <DrHalan> again my question. is there some knid of alpha freeze right now?
[21:33] <gnomefreak> dupondje: that is a bug in Nautilus
[21:33] <gnomefreak> unless it was fixed
[21:33] <dupondje> it takes damn 3 minutes to open a dir :(
[21:34] <DanaG> Nope, native.  Will try after update.
[21:34] <geser> DrHalan: according to the topic in #ubuntu-devel no, and no freeze announcement was send to the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list yet for alpha2
[21:34] <DanaG> And I do not like the fact that it REQUIRES me to use compiz... what ever happened to the idea that unnecessary tie-ins are BAD DESIGN?
[21:35] <DrHalan> DanaG: isn't it using mutter?
[21:35] <DanaG> Yeah, that's what I mean.
[21:35] <DrHalan> i also think a lot of its design needs compositing (like the expose for example)
[21:35] <DanaG> I want to be able to use Compiz.
[21:37] <DrHalan> yeah i feel for you. mutter is rather ugly at the moment
[21:37] <DrHalan> don't liek the minimize effect at all
[21:54] <DanaG> weird... in Lucid, my touchpad's middle button is being treated as a left button!
[21:54] <DanaG> er
[21:54] <DanaG> in Maverick.
[21:58] <DrHalan> my mouse isn't able to scroll sidewards anymore :( (logitech g5)
[22:18] <gnomefreak> nautilus is slow as hell
[22:18] <DrHalan> not for me..
[22:18] <DrHalan> but i am using elements
[22:21] <dupondje> héhé gnomefreak, same issue ? :p
[22:21] <gnomefreak> dupondje: not sure what your issue was but i have to re-test a bit later so i can mae sure if it is U1 or if it the downloads im doing
[22:22] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back a bit later i have to cook dinner and eat
[22:30] <dupondje> lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions => somebody knows what this means exactly ?
[23:23] <dupondje> somebody that has vsftpd installed ?


[00:03] <guiverc> I prefer "Alan Pope" over 'Popey'
[00:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Making it so ^ :D
[01:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Done and out.
[01:05] <guiverc> I've not read thru yet, just skimmed looking at comments & noted the nick rather than name as start of summary.   I'll get to read thru sometime...
[01:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Read thru sure will not take long this issue :(
[01:42] <guiverc> Bashing-om, s/but a eventual replacement/but an eventual replacement/   ie. a/an ??   does it matter?  (could just be my preference)
[01:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Matters - but I do not recall the rule for before a vowel :(
[01:45] <guiverc> Maybe also "23.04 and a standard" and replace s/and/with/  for comparison x86-64-v3 one  ..  not sure again
[01:47] <guiverc> suggest (maybe) dropping 'then' from "Cédric, who then answers them"
[01:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "an" you are correct > or a vowel (for using an).
[01:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Opening 820 for edits :D
[01:48] <guiverc> they are suggestions, do whatever seems right for you.
[01:51]  * guiverc going walkabout...  be back in ~30-60 mins
[02:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All good suggestions - impemented :D saved and out.
[03:05] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[03:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Takes both of us to make this work :P
[03:25] <guiverc> :)
[16:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: GNOME Devs Improve Nautilus’ Custom Folder Icon Feature @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/12/gnome-devs-improve-nautilus-custom-folder-icon-feature
[21:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 820 - add the stats/reports.
[22:25] <Bashing-om> UWN: Skimpy as it is - issue820 up for review and final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-820/41233 .
[22:30] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , will review (when I get to it)
[22:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Plenty of time - Note I added a New Years greeting. acceptable ?
[22:33] <guiverc> I'd not have it as large as it is, use Ubuntu Newsletter (rather than NewsLettter) - ie. add Ubuntu, drop upper-case L & drop a t
[22:34] <guiverc> I think "happy New year" is weird; all upper case "Happy New Year" or none "happy new year"
[22:34] <guiverc> or just "Happy New Year"  (no mention of team)
[22:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ack - will make it so :D
[22:46] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om ,  let the reader decide who is saying 'Happy New Year', be it us (news team), Ubuntu community etc..
[22:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sounds good to me ^ - wonderful :D
[22:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My sour dough biscuits are startnig to turn out wonderful too :P
[22:53] <guiverc> Yum... I noted you mentioned them (UF I think).. Not a buscuit I'm used to (never made, rarely encountered) thus lack of comment
[22:54] <guiverc> I don't really like "Like these:" in the LoCo News.. I bit my tongue yesterday; but will readers understand easily?  I wonder
[22:55]  * guiverc notices if i right click I have an edit option (on discourse)... I'll have to experiment with that
[22:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: More than open to q better suggestion than "Like these:"  - I'm just stuck on doing better myself.
[22:57]  * guiverc will return to that later.. past it in read thru..
[22:59] <guiverc> non-uwn question, but what makes "sour dough" different to just "dough"?
[22:59]  * guiverc did search, expecting to see lemon or something in ingredients & didn't note any difference
[23:02] <guiverc> Wow... No upgrades!!   I didn't expect none!.   I'll suggest replacing "None: End-Of-Year break." with just "None"  ... I'm worried readers will see it as Ubuntu's break is more important than their system's security
[23:02] <guiverc> Bashing-om, ^
[23:03] <guiverc> looks good, my comments only ^
[23:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: A Bagel I believe is also of sour dough - fermenting the dough gives a great soury taste and great texture to the final product.
[23:04] <guiverc> maybe replace "Like these:" with "Related:" ???
[23:04] <guiverc> ack & thanks.. I've heard of sour-dough for sure, but rarely within my own family thus little experience with it I suspect
[23:06] <guiverc> if you edit, I'd try and add a \n after link (before "Like these/Related"..)  too
[23:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ makinng those 2somes so:
[23:11] <Bashing-om> 820 saved and out
[23:24] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , looks great
[23:38] <Bashing-om> \o/


[10:40] <greenpete> Hi! Anyone home?
[10:41] <grenegar> greetings
[10:41] <greenpete> Hi there! I was hoping to get some help installing java runtime, can you help please?
[10:41] <tmarble> yes... at home ;-)
[10:41] <tmarble> which implementation
[10:41] <tmarble> ?
[10:42] <grenegar> for sun jre 'sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre'
[10:42] <greenpete> Am I in the right place?
[10:43] <greenpete> Ok I will try that, though I am struggling with command line stuff!
[10:43] <greenpete> Thanks!
[10:43] <tmarble> grenegar: saw you over on #ubuntu-server... is this for intel or sparc?
[10:44] <grenegar> for sparc
[10:44] <tmarble> ah... sorry to say we do not yet have Java available for Ubuntu/SPARC
[10:44] <grenegar> clarify: my posts on #ubuntu-server were for sparc.
[10:45] <greenpete> Tells me it cant find package , even though some of it seems to go ok!
[10:45] <grenegar> greenpete: if you prefer synaptic just search for sun-java5-jre package
[10:45] <greenpete> ok will try now
[10:46] <tmarble> arch independent stuff will work, but not the -bin (arch dependent)
[10:46] <tmarble> thus it is not complete
[10:46] <tmarble> I am aware of the desire to have Java on Ubuntu/SPARC
[10:47] <grenegar> ah, i only installed this on i386 with apt-get (or synaptic)
[10:47] <tmarble> oh.. if you are interested in i386 or amd64 then that's OK...
[10:47] <greenpete> When you say synaptic, do you mean add/remove?
[10:48] <greenpete> I have an AMD Athlon
[10:48] <tmarble> FFI: https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html
[10:48] <grenegar> no, go to System, Adminitration, Synaptic Package Manager
[10:48] <tmarble> the issue about amd64, of course, is it is the 64-bit server compiler only (i.e. no client stuff like plugin for browsers)
[10:50] <greenpete> No go with synaptic. the search comes up with nothing :-( Will try https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html
[10:51] <grenegar> greenpete: if you can't find the package in synaptic then you need to add repositories: universe and multiverse
[10:52] <grenegar> in Synaptic go to Settings, Repositories
[10:52] <greenpete> Ha ha! It's getting tricky now! I'm following though! :-)
[10:52] <grenegar> select Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (binary)
[10:52] <tmarble> yeah.. I tried to simplify the directions fro adding suites... (this will get fixed in Edgy)
[10:53] <grenegar> hit Edit
[10:53] <grenegar> select all checks
[10:53] <grenegar> hit Reload in Synaptic
[10:53] <grenegar> then search for sun-java5-jre
[10:53] <greenpete> Waiting for reload....
[10:55] <greenpete> Still no go in synaptic :-(
[10:56] <tmarble> at the risk of showing you the really complex instructions... you might look at  https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu-dev.html
[10:58] <greenpete> Ok. My system is doing all sorts of updates and I'm not sure which I have asked for now! Will try the info you have given me so far and get through all of that, including https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu-dev.html!
[11:05] <greenpete> Seems to be downloading now! From Add/remove programs.....fingers crossed!
[11:06] <tmarble> you are on a SS20 (amd64), right?
[11:08] <greenpete> I have an AMD Athlon, if thats what you mean?
[11:08] <tmarble> yep
[11:08] <tmarble> oops, no I was wondering if it was an opteron (sorry for the confusion)
[11:10] <tmarble> wait.. athlon is another marketing name for the consumer version of the opteron... so it should be amd64
[11:11] <greenpete> I now have it installed acording to add/remove programs, but still I cannot view java in Firefox! :-(
[11:12] <greenpete> Any thoughts....?
[11:13] <tmarble> can you copy the output of uname -a here?
[11:13] <greenpete> ??
[11:14] <tmarble> from the Accessories menu, choose Terminal
[11:14] <tmarble> then type: uname -a
[11:15] <greenpete> Linux Big 2.6.15-25-386 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 14 11:25:49 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:15] <greenpete> What does all that mean? I know that 'Big' is the name I gave my PC
[11:16] <tmarble> yep.. Big is your name
[11:16] <greenpete> And the rest?
[11:16] <tmarble> in the terminal window type: man uname
[11:16] <tmarble> for a full explanation
[11:16] <greenpete> Does it help you with my problem?
[11:16] <tmarble> so try this... go into Synaptic and search for sun-java5
[11:17] <tmarble> check the package called sun-java5-plugin
[11:17] <tmarble> then apply
[11:17] <greenpete> Ok
[11:17] <tmarble> after that completes, you will need to exit/restart firefox
[11:17] <greenpete> Ok
[11:17] <tmarble> then in the URL window, type: about:plugins
[11:21] <greenpete> All seems to work!!!! Thanks so much! It seems so complicated or am I just too used to Windows?
[11:21] <tmarble> whew!
[11:21] <greenpete> Ha ha!
[11:21] <grenegar> heh, some things are easier, some still harder.. :)
[11:21] <tmarble> it's a little bit complicated... the remaining trickiness should go away in the next release of Ubuntu
[11:22] <grenegar> do you know about Automatix?
[11:22] <tmarble> you'll be glad to know there's a lot of magic behind the scenes to make all the stuff work that you just did!
[11:22] <tmarble> nope
[11:22] <greenpete> I really want to use Linux only but this seems to be too much to have to do all of the time, though I have installed stuff from the add/remove and it has worked but also some things have not worked either!
[11:23] <greenpete> Whats Automatix
[11:23] <grenegar> Automatix and EasyUbuntu (just google them) allow you to easily to what we just did plus install audio/video codecs, common apps, etc.
[11:24] <greenpete> Sounds good! I like the thought that to use Linux you need a brain but I don't like things to be so complicated that I can't get it sorted at all!
[11:24] <grenegar> some info about automatix: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646
[11:24] <greenpete> Am Googleing! Well Altavistering as Google have been horrible to China!
[11:25] <grenegar> just use my link instead
[11:26] <grenegar> here is automatix install instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190025
[11:26] <grenegar> it ROX
[11:27] <grenegar> good luck!
[11:28] <greenpete> Mmmm looks quite daunting to setup Automatix! Will look into it tomorrow! Goodnight, and thanks a lot for you time!


[00:30] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[07:35] <WaltherF1> So, anyone else had problems with getting x running on precise?
[07:36] <WaltherF1> I don't even get to the login screen, it just freezes to the boot log, reporting everything [ OK ]
[08:13] <om26er> anyone else without a theme in Precise?
[08:14] <om26er> like gnome-settings-daemon died
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:06] <susundberg> _o/
[17:42] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:00] <Core78X> Hi ! That may seem very stupid, but what is Zeitgeist ? I keep seeing this everywhere and not only on Ubuntu. I saw it in some Google event and such.
[19:03] <trism> Core78X: http://wiki.zeitgeist-project.com/Getting_Started
[19:04] <Core78X> trism Thanks
[19:05] <Core78X> I had another question. Tomorrow is the release of Alpha 1 and I was wondering if I download a daily build image today, will it upgrade to A1 tomorrow ? ( update manager -d )
[19:06] <trism> Core78X: you won't need the -d, if you keep up with updates with any of the daily images, you will end up with the final 12.04 version when it is released
[19:07] <Core78X> trism: Oh really ? I thought you would miss some of the bigger updates if you didn't put the -d
[19:08] <yofel> -d is just for uprading to a release still under development
[19:08] <yofel> and you need it only once - and never if you install a precise daily image
[19:08] <Core78X> yofel Oh I see ! Thank you guys !
[19:52] <yofel> hm great, 3.2.0-2 doesn't boot here..
[19:53] <bjsnider> it's got a new feature where it cannot be booted on kde systems
[19:53] <yofel> lol, it doesn't even get to mounting root
[19:53] <yofel> unless you put kde info into the initrd :P
[19:53] <bjsnider> oh, it knows
[19:54] <bjsnider> it's part of linus's effort to kill kde
[19:54] <yofel> another great idea of his...
[20:45] <genii-around> <IP_ADDRESS> boots fine here with my KDE
[21:00] <bjsnider> they haven't ironed out all the wrinkles yet
[21:14] <BluesKaj> yeah genii-around , no problems here either
[22:29] <WaltherFI> Anyone had problems with the graphical interface starting?
[22:29] <WaltherFI> I can't get any further than the boot log reporting everything [ OK ]
[22:30] <WaltherFI> ctrl+alt+f1 does get me into the terminal and I can login, but LightDM doesn't start on desktop 7 as it should
[22:32] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[22:32] <trism> WaltherFI: you should check the logs in /var/log/lightdm for errors as well as /var/log/syslog and kern.log


[00:52] <diddledani> https://snapcraft.io/ubuntu-accomplishments
[11:11] <daftykins> mornin'
[11:27] <zxmpi> o/
[11:28] <zxmpi> when you wake up in the morning and discover you somehow forgot to charge your smartphone...
[11:29] <daftykins> never a problem!
[11:29] <daftykins> this drive cloning job however is causing me some headaches, hrmm
[11:37] <zxmpi> such an easy idea but always seems to be some wacky configuration to act the goat
[11:38] <daftykins> i definitely had a stack of license keys to a paid program that might help out up on my shelf, but i think they departed during a mass tidy up
[11:49] <daftykins> oh well i can't work now, there's a cat on my lap


[00:45] <Kano> hi apw , is 38-rc1 ready soon?
[00:45] <Kano> mainline i mean
[11:06] <apw> smb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/681083 looks to be a xen issue in the lucid -proposed kernel (i think)
[11:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 681083 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Crashes/Freeze on XenMotion (affects: 3) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[11:07] <smb> apw, Just one more I need. :-P Thanks for the pointer though
[11:08] <apw> smb, i subbed the stable team, but thought you might have insite as you have more xen knowledge
[11:11] <smb> apw, The initial output looks more like generic blockage though the others hit some BUGON in spinlock. And there seems to be a patch referenced as well
[11:11] <apw> smb, yeah thats why i saw it, patch piloting over the patch
[11:17] <smb> apw, So it seems Natty is safe already as that went into 2.6.37. And as there is no xen in .32 we need our topic branch pull that in
[11:18] <apw> the patch in the bug is already upstream?  got a commit id ?
[11:18] <smb> yes it is. bah, just closed the window. A sec
[11:19] <smb> I believe that one: 6903591f314b8947d0e362bda7715e90eb9df75e though the title is slightly different
[11:20] <apw> yes that is deffo the patch
[11:21] <apw> smb, will you write that up for the bug
[11:21] <smb> yup
[11:21] <apw> smb, ta muchly
[14:04]  * tgardner --> server room
[14:26] <apw> sconklin-gone, bjf, we seem to be missing some kernel dependant packages in the latest uploads, ie. that meta has been uploaded before lum/lbm/lrm etc are built
[14:26] <apw> this has been reported on our kernel-team list for hardy
[14:26] <tgardner> apw, actually, I'm just checking that. I think its LPIA thats missing
[14:27] <apw> tgardner, as in lum for lpia only ?
[14:49] <smoser> smb, just trying to remember. i386 natty kernels on m1.small fail like : http://paste.ubuntu.com/555805/
[14:49] <Warlock072> hey guys
[14:49] <Warlock072> ive got ubuntu lucid server showing high cpu usuage on this command ksoftirqd
[14:51] <smoser> smb, never mind . i found bug 699828
[14:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 699828 in linux (Ubuntu) "natty 2.6.37-11-virtual doesn't boot on EC2 in 32bits (affects: 1) (heat: 444)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699828
[14:52] <apw> Warlock072, that is interrupt related, does any of the lines in /proc/interrupts show high numbers/high change between two consecutive cats ?
[15:07] <Warlock072> ps -aux | grep ksoftirqd root        22 73.1  0.0      0     0 ?        S    15:11  84:25 [ksoftirqd/6]
[15:09] <Warlock072> Local timer interrupts
[15:09] <Warlock072> TLB shootdowns
[15:09] <Warlock072> changes alot
[15:11] <Warlock072> IO-APIC-fasteoi   megasas
[15:11] <Warlock072> this one seems to jump alot
[16:33] <hallyn> ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa only has natty images.  Where should I point a user for maverick daily builds?  Or should they just use the natty one?
[16:49] <cking> kentb, so how's it going?
[16:50] <kentb> cking, well, macallan with 10.10 server + your kernel and no iommu settings survived 100 s4 cycles
[16:50] <cking> perhaps I should have asked somewhere else. hold on
[16:51] <kentb> cking,  ick...just noticed that, too ;)
[16:52] <mjg59> Hm. You people took the Dell patch that changes the touchpad from basic PS/2 to IMPS/2?
[16:58] <hallyn> jjohansen: ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa only has natty images.  Where should I point a user for maverick daily builds?  Or should they just use the natty one?
[16:59] <jjohansen> hallyn: for daily builds just natty
[16:59] <jjohansen> hallyn: for most recent maverick -proposed kernels
[16:59] <jjohansen> just check the -proposed update option in software sources
[17:00] <hallyn> so the natty one will run ok in maverick for a test?
[17:00] <jjohansen> yeah, I actually use the natty kernel on maverick on a couple machines
[17:00] <hallyn> awesome, thanks
[17:00] <apw> mjg59, i think we have something like that in our tree at the moment
[17:01] <apw> commit f233403def40bee6ae6bd05c6f998a5f820bf106
[17:01] <apw> Author: Rezwanul Kabir<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:01] <apw> Date:   Tue Nov 23 20:15:14 2010 +0000
[17:01] <apw>     Add support for Intellimouse Mode in ALPS touchpad on Dell E2 series Laptops
[17:01] <apw>
[17:01] <apw>
[17:01] <apw> mjg59, that one?  i applied that to natty to to get some coverage on it before deciding if it was safe for older releases
[17:02] <apw> as everyone expects to get borked boxes on natty anyhow :)
[17:13] <mjg59> apw: I'm somewhat worried about it. Dell seem to be pushing it hard, but it just turns one broken configuration into another
[17:14] <mjg59> apw: ie, you get scrolling and tap to click, but now you can't turn them off...
[17:14] <apw> mjg59, ok that sounds most undesirable
[17:15] <apw> mjg59, that doesn't sound very acceptable and pushing back on it sounds appropriate
[17:15] <mjg59> They're trying to get us to take it as well, but I'm pushing back there
[17:15] <apw> mjg59, cirtainly taking it in natty does not consitute 'acceptance' here
[17:15] <apw> the purpose of that is to determine if there is regressions for non-dell h/w
[17:15] <mjg59> Really need to have support for putting it into absolute mode
[17:16] <apw> well saying that seems completely appropriate
[17:18] <mjg59> Ok - just wanted to make sure we didn't end up in a situation where their argument is "Ubuntu's taken it, so it must be fine" :)
[17:19] <apw> mjg59, definatly i intended the application to natty to be for regression testing on non-dell h/w as we had applied it once before and all hell had broken loose
[17:19] <apw> (a previous version)
[17:20] <mjg59> Awesome
[17:20] <mjg59> I think this one's DMI-limited to Dell?
[17:20] <apw> mjg59, indeed so, but i got badly burnt on the last iteration so i am suspicious of it
[17:23] <apw> mjg59, now you mention we cannot turn of click-to-tap i'll make sure someone goes test that
[17:23] <mjg59> apw: I suspect it simply won't appear as a touchpad to X, so the control panel won't appear
[17:28] <apw> mjg59, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/632884 ... the intent is loosly worded but in that bug
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632884 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) " Add support for Intellimouse Mode in ALPS touchpad on Dell Latitude series Laptops (affects: 1) (heat: 44)" [High,Triaged]
[17:29] <mjg59> apw: Yeah, I think the upstream answer to that is going to be "no"
[17:31] <apw> mjg59, heads up ... x86: Make relocatable kernel work with new binutils ... is triggering hard early boot failures for me (v2.6.38-rc1 based kernels)
[17:32] <mjg59> Yes, we've been hitting that
[17:33] <apw> mjg59, i don't see it reported on lkml yet, so i guess i'll whine
[17:36] <ilmari> is the intel-drm-next kernel package built on a regular schedule?
[17:36] <ilmari> drm-intel-next, even
[17:37] <apw> ilmari, that is one of the ones which is built when the tree changes, in theory at least
[17:39] <bjf> smb, isn't there a wiki page which says what in lucid are our "franken" kernel bits?
[17:40] <apw> kees, you might want to look at this: [REGRESSION] S3 resume on SandyBridge doesn't work with NX protection (5bd5a45)
[17:40] <ilmari> apw: it seems to have been rebased today, so I guess there should be a new package shortly?
[17:40] <apw> ilmari, its checked daily at 10am UTC
[17:40] <apw> so yes i'd expect it to pop out tommorrow in that case
[17:41] <ilmari> cheers
[17:45] <apw> kees, thats your NX patches triggering all that :)
[17:54] <kees> apw: upstream! :)
[17:54] <kees> apw: I can poke at it, but we'll need upstream to help with it. since it's now in the .28 tree, it shouldn't be too insane.
[17:55] <apw> well knowing linus it might not be in upstream if it doesn't get fixed and quick
[17:55] <apw> cking, i note that natty is now reporting dmi information on boot ... not sure when it arrived:
[17:55] <apw> [    0.000000] DMI 2.6 present.
[17:55] <apw> [    0.000000] DMI: 3653/HP Mini 5102, BIOS 68PGU Ver. F.05 03/11/2010
[17:55] <apw> might be useful for the fwts stuff too
[17:56] <cking> nice
[17:58] <kees> apw: yeah, true. I'll try to take a look at it, but we might need to dig deeper with it. I don't understand why they did it the way they did.
[18:04] <apw> cking, were you telling me something about acpi_init performance yesterday
[18:36] <jjohansen> rebooting
[19:55] <bjf> apw, git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/longterm/linux-2.6.35.y.git
[19:55] <apw> :wq
[19:55] <apw> grr
[20:01]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:02] <cking> apw shows off his vi skills
[20:02] <apw> cking, shows off his "i want apw to call my wife skills"
[20:03] <cking> dude, I've been offline for last 2 hours - honest!
[20:03] <vanhoof> apw: can you begin calling my fiance as well?
[20:03] <vanhoof> she would appreciate it :D
[20:03] <apw> sure can, where do you want her to kick you ?
[20:03] <vanhoof> lulz
[20:04]  * vanhoof makes mental note to not joke like this w/ apw as he'll likely make a call :)
[20:04] <apw> vanhoof, sure will ... :)
[20:08] <cking> vanhoof, he will do - that's for sure
[20:31] <Kano> hi, why is there still no .38 mainline kernel?
[20:44] <htorque> hello, everyone! are there known issues with 2.6.38-rc1and the ubuntu kernel config? like dying right after grub?
[21:55] <apw> htorque, thats an upstream error
[21:56] <apw> htorque, revert "x86: Make relocatable kernel work with new binutils"
[21:56] <apw> Kano, timing ... it will be built in the next hour or so
[21:57] <Kano> and it will not work?
[21:57] <apw> Kano, it is actually possible for you to make your own if you need them that urgently
[21:57] <apw> rc1 won't boot indeed, its broken
[21:57] <Kano> ah, is the script available
[21:57] <Kano> :)
[21:57] <Kano> would be no problem, my pc is fast enough
[21:58] <Kano> i just dont like to upload kernel which are unpatched, thats wasted time
[21:59] <htorque> apw, thanks :-)
[22:02] <apw> htorque, np
[22:03] <tgardner> apw, I was able to get that zillion core machine to boot by using maxcpus=0
[22:04] <apw> tgardner, heh thats a good one and no mistake, tried rebuilding with MAX_CPUS=128 ?
[22:05] <tgardner> apw, not yet, I had to leave before I could get it built.
[22:05] <apw> tgardner, doh of course ... i wonder if we should be upping that regardless
[22:06] <tgardner> apw, I'm gonna research that option to see what side effect it might have. it could be appropriate for a Lucid SRU
[22:28] <Kano> apw: where is the script used?
[22:29] <Kano> it could be optimizied too because rc kernels are in front of final kernels
[22:29] <Kano> you should use ~rc
[22:31] <sconklin> apw: I had the wrong patch implicated earlier. It's fa7e0b "drm/radeon/kms: properly compute group_size on 6xx/7xx"
[22:35] <sconklin> http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/hhSc5lXjWhzzBSGwGzzM
[22:53] <smb> bjf, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelDriverDeviations in case you are stll looking
[22:54] <bjf> smb, thanks
[22:54] <smb> Though by now, we also got the deviations.txt in the tree itself
[22:54] <bjf> smb, forgot about that
[23:16]  * apw notes that v2.6.38-rc1 doesn't boot on any of his 32bit machines ... sigh


[01:31] <ShawnR> mhall119: around tonight?
[03:31] <mhall119> ShawnR: for a few minutes
[03:38] <ShawnR> mhall119:
[03:38] <ShawnR> so now my apache is shot :(
[03:39] <ShawnR> I'm about to just give up on this one... I don't want to, but I feel like i'm just going to go in circles
[03:49] <mhall119> ShawnR: same kind of trouble?
[04:01] <ShawnR> yeah, did you see my 2nd pastebin
[04:04] <mhall119> ShawnR: from 12:52 am yesterday?
[04:04] <ShawnR> yup
[04:04] <mhall119> man....you've got all kinds of dpkg issues
[04:04] <mhall119> how did you upgrade this box?
[04:04] <ShawnR> yup
[04:04] <ShawnR> lol!
[04:05] <ShawnR> very carefully (or probably, rather, not at all)
[04:05] <ShawnR> it seemed to have been working fine
[04:05] <ShawnR> i did the normal dist-upgrade or whatever
[04:05] <mhall119> try joining #ubuntu-devel, hopefully some packing/apt/dpkg guru in there can help you repair this
[04:05] <mhall119> ah! never dist-upgrade between releases, use do-release-upgrade instead
[04:06] <ShawnR> i think i've given up.  I need to move this off of the sempron with 4 GB RAM (or maybe just 2?) to my PE 2950 with 32GB RAM
[04:06] <ShawnR> that one sounds more like it
[04:06] <ShawnR> but honestly, i could of done either one
[04:06] <ShawnR> i think i've done both before (not sure if on the server or my desktop or laptop)


[00:40] <cmaloney> Lockharts is not in Lake Orion. ;)
[01:15] <jrwren> no?
[01:20] <cmaloney> that's in Royal Oak
[14:30] <cmaloney> snow day
[14:30] <cmaloney> also: good morning
[14:30] <jrwren> snow day indeed.
[14:30] <jrwren> good morning
[14:32] <wolfger> isn't every day a snow day for you, cmaloney ?
[14:33] <cmaloney> right now it is, but having JoDee here is a +
[14:59] <cmaloney> Having to go out and snow blow the driveway is not a huge plus though
[16:25] <cmaloney> well, I made it a whole season last year without winding the extension cable into the snow blower
[16:26] <cmaloney> this season, notsomuch
[16:33] <rick_h> oops
[16:33] <rick_h> my wife did that last year, blew up the blades on the blower
[16:33] <rick_h> took a few weeks and replacement parts...sucks
[16:34] <rick_h> cmaloney: hope it came through just needing some untangling
[16:40] <_stink_> i bought a snowblower, used it for one season.  forgot to empty the gas tank after the season.  now it only runs on choke.  instead of having it cleaned up... it has collected dust for 4 years and i just shovel.
[16:40] <jrwren> lol.
[16:40] <_stink_> every fall i hear 'hey you should get the snowblower working'
[16:40] <jrwren> that sounds like something I would do.
[16:40] <_stink_> every winter i hear 'you should have gotten the snowblower working'
[16:40] <jrwren> all you gotta do is give it fresh gas, yeah?
[16:41] <_stink_> i have tried fresh gas plus gas goo additive
[16:41] <_stink_> still no go
[16:41] <jrwren> oh, weird.
[16:41] <jrwren> small engine repair is not something I enjoy. I know some people actually like it.
[16:41] <_stink_> i would like to learn it for sure
[16:42] <_stink_> but you know... it's pretty far down the list
[16:43] <rick_h> yea, would be handy
[16:45] <jrwren> i've intentionally avoided owning any small engines, so I've not needed to repair them ;)
[16:47] <rick_h> one way
[16:47] <rick_h> my wife didn't find getting handed the snow shovels while I was having summer across the world appealing though.
[16:48] <rick_h> with the lawn service though, all engines are put away in storage other than the snow blower one yay
[16:48] <jrwren> ha! nice!
[16:48] <jrwren> i miss lawn service :(
[16:49] <jrwren> but when the lawn service weed whacked our herb garden... i knew we were done with lawn service.
[17:04] <wolfger> You should have the blower repaired or replaced. Then it will refuse to snow much that season, and the rest of us will thank you for it.
[17:04] <wolfger> The year I bought my blower was the least-snowy year in memory.
[17:17] <cmaloney> rick_h: Unfortunately the shielding tore, so it's ruined
[17:17] <rick_h> cmaloney: ouch
[17:17] <cmaloney> Amazon is bringing me another one. :)
[17:18] <rick_h> cmaloney: the cable or the blower?
[17:18] <cmaloney> Extension cord
[17:18] <rick_h> ah ok, yea that's easier to deal with for sure
[17:18] <cmaloney> Yeah
[17:21] <_stink_> wolfger++
[17:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, John (my old boss) bought a hefty snow blower one year
[17:22] <cmaloney> that was they year we had the mildest winter
[17:23] <jrwren> in fact, _stink_ you are now the reason we have had so much snow the last 4 yrs.
[17:23] <jrwren> _stink_: I blame you for not fixing your snow blower.
[17:23] <_stink_> really sorry guys
[17:23] <wolfger> ^ +1
[17:23] <cmaloney> ++
[17:23] <_stink_> at least your kids like it!
[17:23] <_stink_> i did it for them.
[17:24] <jrwren> that is true. She is sledding right now.
[17:24] <_stink_> mine have already been out and back in
[17:24] <cmaloney> likely story
[17:24] <jrwren> my tailbone still hurts just thinking about it.
[17:24] <_stink_> hah
[17:24] <wolfger> The reason adults don't sled: everything hurts more.
[17:25] <cmaloney> We're not built like giant shock-absorbers anymore
[17:25] <wolfger> mass++; flexibility--
[17:26] <cmaloney> hah


[00:35] <BUGabundo> night
[00:35] <micahg> night
[04:05] <micahg> yay!  mozilla-thunderbird is under 100 open issues
[06:12] <micahg> dtchen:
[06:12] <micahg> hi
[06:12] <micahg> would you know if a certain fix could be an SRU?
[06:19] <micahg> nevermind
[06:49] <micahg> asac: ping
[06:51] <micahg> nevermind..will send e-mail
[08:29] <asac> micahg: hi
[08:29] <micahg> hi
[08:30] <micahg> I wanted to make sure I didn't make a mess of things my first day
[08:30] <asac> micahg: yeah.
[08:30] <asac> micahg: so a few things up front on crashes:
[08:30] <asac> when you open up a crash you need to ensure that the CoreDump.gz is removed
[08:31] <asac> and take a brief look at the stacktraces if there is privacy relevant data visible like passwd etc.
[08:31] <asac> besides from that just shoot!
[08:32] <micahg> Do I need to do anything with teh COreDump file?
[08:37] <asac> micahg: no ... except removing them
[08:37] <micahg> ok
[08:37] <micahg> so why does apport upload it?
[08:37] <asac> if the backtrace is bad you could try to retrace them manually locally
[08:37] <micahg> is it used during retracing?
[08:38] <asac> yes. thats the core dump ... meaning its basically a dump of the programs state at the time of the crash
[08:38] <micahg> ah, ok
[08:38] <micahg> it's used to generate the traces
[08:38] <micahg> once they're generated we can remove it
[08:38] <micahg> I think I got it
[08:39] <asac> stefanlsd: hi. so i talked to persia and he promissed to do a license review on the gears package (which i am kind of lame on ) ... i he already found a few issues, which imo should be easy to address
[08:39] <micahg> Regarding Fix Released, I marked a couple bugs that were fixed upstream as Fix Released per the wiki status document
[08:40] <stefanlsd> asac: heys. thanks for pushing people around from your side :)
[08:41] <micahg> asac: does ubufox control apt:// urls in Firefox?
[08:42] <asac> micahg: no ... thats apturl package
[08:42] <micahg> ah
[08:42] <micahg> ok
[08:42] <micahg> so if apt:// doesn't work in 3.5, then it's an upstream bug?
[08:42] <asac> micahg: well. apturl is a ubuntu developed package ;)
[08:42] <asac> micahg: but yes, apturl needs to add their .js file to the right place
[08:43] <asac> micahg: reassign to apturl
[08:43] <asac> micahg: set importance to high
[08:44] <micahg> done
[08:46] <micahg> BTW, I've been removing mozilla-bugs as an assignee for stuff in general if it isn't being worked on
[08:47] <micahg> If I'm already touching it
[09:02] <asac> micahg: thats good
[09:04] <micahg> asac: is it ok to refer people to the mozilla dailies with fixes for issues as long as they;re warned that it's beta software?
[09:04] <micahg> I did it 2 or 3 times for TB3 fixes
[09:19] <asac> micahg: not sure what you mean with "refer" ... you can certainly ask them to check if its fixed there
[09:19] <asac> educating them about the pakages being dailies
[09:19] <micahg> ah, that's what I forgot
[09:19] <micahg> I told them it was beta
[09:20] <micahg> I refered them there because there would be no SRU
[09:22] <micahg> I'll remember that for next time
[09:25]  * micahg is going to bed
[09:25] <asac> micahg: night
[09:32] <gnomefreak> i need a crash course in gobby today. im not sure if its localhost that needs to be changed to oconnect to uds
[09:34] <asac> gnomefreak: you need to use gobby.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <asac> (at least i think)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> in place oflocalhost right?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks not sure but it connected to something
[09:38] <gnomefreak> no mozilla sesions?
[09:44] <reed_> How's Spain?
[09:48]  * gnomefreak tried Xorg edge packages to see if maybe i can get GUI in 2.6.30
[10:22] <asac> reed_: great .... but exhausting ;)
[10:23] <asac> for me those multi-event events are not really what i like ... just too much days in a hotel in a row
[10:23] <asac> fta: are you in some session?
[10:24] <fta> asac, yep, why?
[10:25] <asac> fta: just curious ;). appcenter?
[10:27] <fta> nope, qa
[10:34] <fta> asac, need me for something?
[10:35] <asac> fta: no hurry. wanted to talk a bit about the ffox 3.5 by default session; but we can do that later
[10:51] <gnomefreak> no matter what i do i cant get nvidia to run with the 2.6.30* kernels
[11:29] <fta> asac, there's a ff3.5-as-default session? when is that?
[13:19] <asac> fta: i added it today. will get sceduled by rick afaik
[13:19] <asac> so not before tomorrow
[13:19] <fta> asac, ok
[13:37] <gnomefreak> well >4 hours to play with X and its still broken and to finish emails. now im am tired
[14:41] <fta> bug 380126
[19:58] <gnomefreak> mozilla 95849  are you kidding they accept all kinds of bugs
[20:16] <micahg> gnomefreak: wasn't bug 83118 solved when abrowser was released?
[20:16] <gnomefreak> looking
[20:17] <gnomefreak> yes its solved make sur eyou tell them why ")
[20:17] <micahg> ok, I'll have to do that tonight
[20:18] <micahg> I was just a little scared of getting involved in such a heated issue
[20:20] <gnomefreak> ill do it. that way i get the yelling/lecture :)
[20:20] <micahg> ok, thanks
[20:21] <micahg> :)
[20:21] <micahg> you have a lot more cred than I have
[20:21] <micahg> I thought it was cool when I got to reply to a bug by the sabdfl
[20:22] <gnomefreak> done :)
[20:22] <gnomefreak> yeah it does happen :)
[20:22] <micahg> I just want to confirm
[20:22] <gnomefreak> more than likley asac will be the one yelling if its wrong
[20:23] <micahg> we use Fix Released when Mozilla releases a tarball with the fix?
[20:24] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah should. and we use it for our fixes as well but not everyone uses it
[20:25] <gnomefreak> micahg: can you please try to confirm bug 373167 ill be back in a few dishes and smoke
[20:26] <micahg> gnomefreak: I only have Mozilla thunderbird, but I"m on Xfce
[20:26] <gnomefreak> ah
[20:30] <gnomefreak> micahg: on bugs that is a feature request for ff3.0 or tb2.0 please have them report it upstream if they cant do that it is not likely to get fixed.
[20:30] <gnomefreak> i thought of that this morning but you werent here
[20:30] <micahg> gnomefreak: I generally report/find them upstream if I can
[20:30] <gnomefreak> ok now i really am going to dishes and smoke
[20:30] <gnomefreak> micahg: cool
[20:30] <micahg> one sec please
[20:30] <micahg> oh
[20:30] <micahg> it can wait till you come back
[20:31] <gnomefreak> give me ~10 minutes
[20:31] <micahg> ok
[20:31] <micahg> no problem, I'm inthe office and not going anywhere
[20:40] <gnomefreak> on whats up?
[20:42] <micahg> the e-mail that you sent me, you want me to cleanup the ff package like I started to do the mozilla-tb package?
[20:44] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes on the link i gave you do the first ones on that page. you will see three packages "firefox" "firefox-3.0" and "thunderbird"
[20:44] <micahg> ok
[20:44] <micahg> Are those status policies up to date?
[20:44] <micahg> I'll have to read it later
[20:45] <gnomefreak> If you work on the "firefox" packages change them to 3.0 than either invalid or if it still happens on 3.0 you know where to go with that. but yes pretty much the same
[20:45] <micahg> I won't be able to do too much until this weekend though
[20:45] <gnomefreak> not worrited about status at this time just the link on that page was my thing
[20:45] <micahg> Shouldn't I check to see if it's still an issue in 3.0 before moving?
[20:45] <micahg> if it's a 2 issue, shouldn't it be archived in the FF packge?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> micahg: when you get time its not that important. I had them below 100 at one time not sure what it is now
[20:46] <gnomefreak> micahg: we dont support firefox 2
[20:46] <micahg> It's around 200 now
[20:46] <micahg> right
[20:46] <micahg> exactle
[20:46] <micahg> so if the issue was only in FF2, I can close in the FF pacakge and no one will see it again
[20:46] <gnomefreak> yep invalid fixreleased or incomplete i was doing around 70 a day thats how fast they go
[20:47] <gnomefreak> yep but change it to 3.0 anyway incase they get the feeling it should be reopened
[20:48] <micahg> ok, so basically empty the package out of open issues
[20:49] <gnomefreak> im betting they installed mozilla-thunderbird since gnome hasnt updated yet in Karic they are same packages set up as Jaunty
[20:49] <micahg> like I said, won't be able to do much till this weekend
[20:49] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep
[20:49] <micahg> but over 2 weekends I think I can clear it out
[20:49] <gnomefreak> no worries time is not important
[20:49] <micahg> ok
[20:50] <micahg> asac wants me to start working on crashes too
[20:50] <micahg> maybe I'll do crashes during the week and cleanup on the weekend
[20:50] <gnomefreak> ok thats fairly simple. have them add crash report most of them are addon related
[20:51] <micahg> well, I think he was referring to the already existing private crashes
[20:51] <micahg> he gave me a quick tutorial this morning
[20:52] <micahg> I discoved a mozilla-firefox package as well
[20:52] <gnomefreak> ok
[20:52] <micahg> only 4 open bugs
[20:52] <micahg> I'll clean them out this weekend
[20:53] <gnomefreak> k
[20:54] <gnomefreak> i think i fixed SM2 to print :)
[20:54] <micahg> ah, I haven't looked at Seamonkey yet
[20:54] <micahg> does it have a smaller memory footprint that FF+TB?
[20:55] <gnomefreak> shit i lost that damn bug :(
[20:55] <micahg> also, should I subscribe to the mozilla bugs list?
[20:55] <gnomefreak> micahg: a little
[20:55] <micahg> do you use it?
[20:58] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep i have to since i package it
[21:08] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back dinner is ready
[21:32] <gnomefreak> asac: if you go to tech board meetings please bring up bug 83118  abrowser was made for this reason however there seems to be more than one complaint on the report one stating remove it from main and many others are wanting a free version by the looks of it. either that or we need to decide and close the bug
[21:35]  * gnomefreak waits for firefox to crash
[21:39] <mbana> with FF 3.0.10, do you guys get funny rendering with sites that use Arial, for instance, GMAIL
[21:40] <gnomefreak> mbana: i havent seen anything like that for gmail or most other sites i dont ever remembering seeing that bug however lots of people in the past have clained issues with font rendering but font bug was fixed in Jaunty. if it is related.
[21:41] <mbana> specifically with Arial?
[21:41] <gnomefreak> micahg: if you are still here can you please test the 2 links mentioned on the foloowing linkhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/338631/comments/4  or anyone else please more tests happyier ill be
[21:41] <gnomefreak> micahg: no just fonts in general
[21:42] <gnomefreak> most people cant tell different fonts unless they change it themselves. Is it only with that font?
[21:43] <gnomefreak> oops mbana that was for you
[21:44] <micahg> gnomefreak: links are fine in FF3.0.10 with just flash installed
[21:45] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep thats what i got too other than slow loading
[21:46] <gnomefreak> although after closing those links firefox wont start becuase it thinks its running still
[21:46] <gnomefreak> at keast in *.10
[21:46] <micahg> not for me
[21:48] <gnomefreak> i hate reading tos :(
[21:48] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks for testing can you please comment on the bug if you havent already
[21:49] <micahg> gnomefreak: I happen to have fast internet at work
[21:49] <micahg> maybe I should wait at home
[21:49] <micahg> till I'm home to test
[21:50] <gnomefreak> k
[21:50] <gnomefreak> SM2 prints better than firefox go figure
[21:51] <gnomefreak> firefox couldnt print a 2nd usful page. but i take that back its the site
[21:52] <gnomefreak> make from text editor it will print. Be back its a long print job


[00:00] <flo__> I want to close apps from the main panel by middle clicking on it
[00:01] <flo__> i just installed kubuntu 14.0.4
[00:01] <tux|dude> Check the settings
[00:01] <tux|dude> I think there is an option under there
[00:07] <flo__> I found something but it only close a window when you middle click on the title bar
[00:09] <tux|dude> Eh... Check the software centre
[00:09] <tux|dude> There might be a package to add it to the system
[00:10] <flo__> what package
[00:11] <tux|dude> I don't know what package it would be specifically. I'm just saying search the software centre and see if you can find something
[00:11] <flo__> there is some settings in "Window Behavior", but i cannot find an option there to be able to close a window(active or inactive) by middle clicking on the panel
[00:12] <flo__> tux|dude: thanks but no thanks
[00:13] <flo__> they put a lot of option there in settings->window behavior, except the most important(imho) to close a window by middle click on the panel
[00:15] <flo__> i cannot easily use day to day an OS that does not have that capability
[00:15] <krytarik> flo__: I'd never thought of that before, tbh.
[00:15] <flo__> and i liked a lot of kubuntu's capabilities
[00:17] <tux|dude> Dude, check the package manager
[00:18] <tux|dude> By panel do you mean the window title bar?
[00:18] <flo__> if you guys have the skills to easily pass to the developers this request of "closing a window by middle click on the panel", maybe on the future someone like me would not have to leave this wonderful OS after loving so much of it
[00:18] <flo__> tux|dude: no man
[00:18] <tux|dude> Holy.
[00:18] <tux|dude> Shit
[00:18] <tux|dude> Explain exactly what you want
[00:19] <flo__> panel is the bar on the lower part of the scree
[00:19] <flo__> screen
[00:19] <flo__> title bar=is on top of the screen
[00:19] <Pici> 25
[00:19] <tux|dude> Found it
[00:19] <tux|dude> Right click on the panel
[00:19] <tux|dude> Task manager settings
[00:19] <tux|dude> On middle click
[00:19] <tux|dude> Close window or group
[00:20] <tux|dude> Assuming this is in KDE 4
[00:20] <tux|dude> If not you will need to update to Plasma 5
[00:21] <flo__> that right click and close i new about it
[00:21] <flo__> man ufff
[00:21] <tux|dude> Speak english you fool and we may be able to help you
[00:21] <tux|dude> Did you try what I suggested
[00:21] <flo__> i am speaking english
[00:21] <flo__> y
[00:21] <tux|dude> Because if it isn't in KDE 4 then you'll need to update it to plasma 5
[00:21] <tux|dude> Because this option is 100% in plasma 5
[00:22] <flo__> i want to close a window by just : midlle clicking on it ON THE PANEL
[00:22] <tux|dude> I KNOW
[00:22] <flo__> i just installed the latest kubuntu
[00:22] <tux|dude> I'M TELLING YOU HOW TO TURN THAT BLEEDING OPTION ON
[00:22] <tux|dude> The latest lts kubuntu
[00:22] <tux|dude> The latest kubuntu is 15:10
[00:22] <krytarik> Guys, please.
[00:22] <tux|dude> But anyway, right click on the panel
[00:23] <tux|dude> Select task manager options
[00:23] <flo__> kubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-amd64
[00:23] <tux|dude> Then there should be a menu that says on middle click
[00:23] <tux|dude> Click the drop down and select "close window or group"
[00:23] <krytarik> flo__: That's not the latest.
[00:23] <tux|dude> Latest stable is 15.10 although 16.04 lts is just round the corner
[00:24] <flo__> krytarik: ok you are right
[00:24] <flo__> i meant the latest LTS
[00:24] <krytarik> So, two years old.
[00:24] <tux|dude> Either way have you tried what I suggested?
[00:25] <tux|dude> Because that option is present in 15.10
[00:25] <flo__> tux|dude: yes man, but i cannot see anything in task manager that says middle click
[00:25] <tux|dude> Right so you need to update to KDE plasma 5
[00:25] <flo__> aha
[00:25] <tux|dude> If anything you'd be better off updating to 15.10 for now then jumping up to 16.04 LTS when that comes out in a few weeks
[00:26] <tux|dude> Because this feature is present in KDE plasma 5 which is preinstalled in 15.10
[00:26] <flo__> so in 14.04 there is a plasma that does not have that option?
[00:26] <tux|dude> 14.04 uses plasma 4 by default
[00:26] <tux|dude> Which is the previous version of kde plasma
[00:27] <flo__> ok i will try the latest kubuntu version
[00:27] <tux|dude> The current version of plasma is kde plasma 5
[00:27] <tux|dude> I suggest you download 15.10 and use that until 16.04 LTS comes out where you can then upgrade to that
[00:27] <tux|dude> 16.04 LTS is coming out in a few weeks
[00:29] <flo__> ok man. i hope that i can find that option to close a window by middle cliking on the panel in 15.10
[00:29] <tux|dude> It is there
[00:29] <flo__> great
[00:29] <tux|dude> I even told you how to get to it
[00:29] <tux|dude> twice
[00:29] <flo__> thanks
[00:29] <flo__> see you later
[00:36] <tux|dude> Man that was something else
[00:39] <tux|dude> Glad that's over either way
[00:39] <tux|dude> Please tell me people like that aren't a regular occurrence.
[00:41] <tux|dude> Also sorry for my outburst. Was just getting a bit ticked off. Still no excuse for me going batty though
[00:59] <linoox> test
[00:59] <tux|dude> Hi
[00:59] <tux|dude> I can see that test of yours
[01:00] <linoox> Yes, I too can see that
[01:00] <tux|dude> Well at least it is working
[01:01] <linoox> Yeah, I am new to IRC and I am just testing Kubuntu
[01:01] <tux|dude> Oh nice, well welcome
[09:01] <yossarianuk>  hi - on 15.10 when I use virt-manager to create a QCOW2 disk image it is not thin provisioned by default  - i'm sure on previous versions it was, any ideas how I can make it thin provisioned by default ?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:55] <JunkHunk> hello I am looking for a kubuntu program which would allow me to synchronize contents between a exterior usb hd and a internal hd. any suggestion?
[11:57] <tahaan> Does anybody know what the status is of multi-monitor support in 16.04?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, rsync
[11:57] <JunkHunk> cool
[11:57] <BluesKaj> !rsync | JunkHunk
[11:57] <BluesKaj> tahaan, unstable atm
[11:58] <BluesKaj> also depends on your gpu
[11:58] <JunkHunk> is rsync installed by default?
[11:58] <JunkHunk> a good gpu
[11:58] <tahaan> BlueSkaj that is what I was afraid of.
[11:59] <tahaan> I've been hanging onto 14.04 because of that.
[11:59] <JunkHunk> gforce gtx 750 ti
[11:59] <tahaan> From lspci: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, check by installing it
[12:00] <tahaan> JunkHunk: Just type "rsync"
[12:01] <tahaan> It will tell you if it's not found
[12:01] <BluesKaj> tahaan, it's hard to predict the behaviour of multimonitors on nvidia and 16.04 atm, there isn't a lot of info
[12:02] <tahaan> BluesKaj: I have an Intel GPU in my main work machine
[12:03] <BluesKaj> even less infor for intel gpus
[12:03] <tahaan> :(
[12:04] <BluesKaj> tahaan, it's not very busy there , but maybe the users and some devs at #ubuntu+1 can give some pointers
[12:05] <BluesKaj> it's actually the official support chat for 16.04
[12:06] <tahaan> But this is probably a _K_ubuntu specific issue?
[12:07] <hateball> The +1 channel is flavorless :)
[12:07] <hateball> or multiflavored, rather
[12:07] <tahaan> OK.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hateball, you realize we are supposed to redirect 16.04 users to #ubuntu+1 officially
[12:10] <hateball> BluesKaj: Uh... that's exactly what I said
[12:13] <BluesKaj> flavourless implies not much help :-)
[12:14] <tahaan> But he corrected himself, and I understood what he (she/it) meant anyways
[12:14] <BluesKaj> which is probly true
[12:14] <tahaan> Lol @ probably true
[12:16] <BluesKaj> tahaan, it's hard to know unless you try 16.04 , perhaps on a different partition, or a vm
[12:17] <tahaan> Multi-monitor support on a VM will probably behave differently due to the HW  But I will try to create a partition to try it out.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> yeah that's usually the case unless you can configure a passthru
[12:20] <tahaan> I imagine for a passthrough the host-OS would need to relinquish the device, and the graphics will be "in use" by the Host
[12:20] <tahaan> But I've never tried this.
[12:21] <lordievader> tahaan: Indeed, it can probably be accomplished with just one graphics card. But won't be easy.
[12:21] <lordievader> Better to simply use qxl with spice or something, that supports multimonitor setups.
[12:22] <tahaan> What is qxl?
[12:22] <lordievader> A qemu virtual video card.
[12:24] <tahaan> Hmmmm, much less effort to free up a partition and do a parallel install of 16.04 I imagine
[12:24] <tahaan> Regardless I'm going to wait for the release before I try.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> tahaan,yeah waiting for the official release is probly wise at this point
[12:41] <JunkHunk> is there a gui for rsync?
[12:42] <JunkHunk> I am lazy
[12:42] <TheBacknd> Hello guys
[12:43] <JunkHunk> does this apply to kubuntu aswell? http://askubuntu.com/questions/514963/is-there-any-gui-application-for-command-rsync
[12:45] <JunkHunk> I want rsync to use two sources
[12:45] <TheBacknd> Do you guys know how I can get rid of the screen tearing ? I have tried everything , nvidia really pisses me off.
[12:45] <JunkHunk> I mean everything on one side must be the same in the other
[12:45] <hateball> TheBacknd: check this https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/5/618456760271192326/
[12:45] <JunkHunk> but if there are lacking files in one side must be restored from the other
[12:46] <hateball> TheBacknd: namely the ForceFullCompositionPipeline and TripleBuffer bits
[12:46] <JunkHunk> TheBacknd, install the proper driver
[12:46] <hateball> TheBacknd: and then disably vsync in kwin/everything
[12:47] <hateball> TheBacknd: that assumes a 5xx+ series card I should note
[12:51] <TheBacknd> I never used an IRC before (I don't know how to reply to someone so I will say it to everyone instead) , but thanks for those who helped me , I will take a look at what hateball sent me!
[12:54] <hateball> !who | TheBacknd
[12:54] <lordievader> ubottu: Lies, this channel is not large!
[12:55] <Pici> heh
[12:55] <lordievader> Hehe, ubottu's reply :)
[13:39] <benvantende> hey people, i think since version 15.04 my usb mic (from Logitech ClearChat Pro) stopped working. all solutions on the internet cannot solve the issue. in pavucontrol and alsamixer all looks good, but i just get no signal. the headset perfectly works on a chromebook
[13:39] <benvantende> any ideas how to solve that?
[13:52] <kubuntu_> Hi, I'm trying to restore my boot-up by following the procedures here: http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi , but I'm getting a grub command prompt at startup. I'm using a UEFI setup with LUKS encrypted root partition. Can someone help?
[13:57] <bigdrive339> anyone on this grub issue?
[15:07] <bigdrive339> aa
[16:49] <markslaw> i just had to reinstall kubuntu last night (don't ask why, it's embarrassing!). This morning, te system updater tells me that there are packages to update. I click on update and when it finishes, it tels me that it couldn't finish updating. my installation might be broken. Open muon package manager and have IT look for updates and it finds none. What might be going on?
[17:04] <soee> markslaw: just run: apt-get -f install
[17:17] <markslaw> soee: just did it. thanks. need to reboot now to see if it worked.
[17:24] <markslaw> i keep getting a message that says that language packages are incomplete. what do i need to do?
[18:19] <NaGERST> Alsoa is acting retarded in trusty 4* kernel and only allowing one sound source at a time. I tried installing pulseaudio to get around that (was never an issue on precise).  :::: How do i Completely blacklist the nvidia HDMI sillyness.
[18:19] <NaGERST> I have no intention of ever using a HDMI cable to this computer anyways
[18:22] <NaGERST> there must be a terminal way to fix this. All suggestions i have gotten has been "install gnome and pavucontrol" and that would have me remove the blacklisting of gtk3
[18:22] <NaGERST> KDE probably has a way, but i just have not found iut.
[18:23] <BluesKaj> NaGERST, kmenu>system settings>multimedia>music device prefernce,after choosing that,  then check the hardware tab to set your sources
[18:24] <BluesKaj> and outputs
[18:24] <NaGERST> hi BluesKaj, The options i have available in systemsettings is "Audio CDs", "Audio and video settings", and "CDDB Retrieval"
[18:27] <NaGERST> BluesKaj: i set the Vortex or Intel sound device as default, apply and close the application. When it is retarted it still defaults to the nvidia.
[18:28] <NaGERST> How can i blacklist that suckah
[18:29] <NaGERST> and when i pick the intel one the "input" section flickers between front and analogue
[18:29] <NaGERST> pull out the cable?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> na inb the hardware tab choose the output as something other than hdmi out, ptobly analog out
[18:33] <BluesKaj> NaGERST,^
[18:33] <NaGERST> it still defaults back to nvidia_hdmi
[18:35] <NaGERST> The other way i have found was described in the last post here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15497/how-to-remove-nvidia-hdmi-audio-output-in-pulseaudio
[18:36] <NaGERST> but how do i figure out the proper syntax?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> in the device preferences tab, make sure that you move the analog or alsa output to the top and use the test bi=utton to make sure you hear sounds
[18:38] <NaGERST> neither works. I had sound before upgrading to a version that had drivers for the nvidia hdmi chip
[18:39] <NaGERST> no matter what i do, after applying settings to the sound settings it still defaults to nvidia hdmi
[18:39] <BluesKaj> and if you do hear sounds , then clicl apply and apply device list to,then apply again
[18:41] <NaGERST> does not matter. even after a reboot, nvidia will still be the preffered one.
[18:42] <NaGERST> and both the intel and the nvidia use the intel_hda module so i can not blacklist it it seems...
[18:43] <BluesKaj> the nvidia chip is most likely an intel hda, so open a terminal and do , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, if the driver loads properly there will b no output from that command, then reboot
[18:43] <BluesKaj> also  check al;samixer in the terminal and make sure the automute is disabled
[18:43] <NaGERST> indeed, there was no output.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[18:44] <NaGERST> automute is disabled
[18:44] <BluesKaj> turn up the master pcm and front vol ctls as well
[18:45] <NaGERST> I have tried those, i have also tried to change backends (vlc vs gstreamer) and they both work, but output over hdmi instead of using the analogue hardware
[18:46] <BluesKaj> install pavucontrol and set the outputs there  d
[18:47] <NaGERST> blacklisted; Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0) but it is not installable
[18:48] <BluesKaj> nopoint blacklisting anything if you only have one audio chip, it's amtter of setting the outputs
[18:49] <NaGERST> ok i will give it a try, hope it wont pull all of gnome3 in this time. (did in 13.04)
[18:50] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol is desktop independent afaik
[18:50] <lordievader> pavucontrol is gtk, so you get gtk libs.
[18:51] <NaGERST> nope. requires gtk3, polkit, and on some distros even gnome-desktop package
[18:51] <BluesKaj> a few gtklibs is all
[18:51] <NaGERST> ok, i will try, i can hopefully purge them later
[18:52] <BluesKaj> you can just purge pavucontrol and the gtks will go with it
[18:53] <NaGERST> it has the same issue as the command line tools
[18:54] <NaGERST> ill be back in 2 min when i have pulled the front control cable from the computer.
[18:55] <BluesKaj> naund_, front control cable ?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> oops , wrong nick , naund_ .sorry
 Kubuntu Podcast #11 is now live
[19:16] <telegram> http://youtu.be/vuz5-eZMEK8
[20:46] <tux|dude> Does anyone know what kernel version kubuntu 16.04 is going to be using?
[20:48] <soee_> tux|dude: 4.4
[20:49] <tux|dude> Oh good
[20:49] <tux|dude> Because atm my 15.10 install is wanting to downgrade my kernel to 4.2 (i'm on 4.3 because 4.2 breaks my wifi) so I was hoping that 16.04 used a higher kernel
[20:51] <soee_> it is using 4.4 :)
[20:51] <rozalina> When is 16.04 going to be released ?
[20:51] <soee_> April 21st
[20:51] <rozalina> Wow , I just installed 15.10 yesterday
[20:52] <tux|dude> Can't wait for 16.04
[20:53] <rozalina> Well now that I know that 16.04 is going to be released really soon , I'm excited as well
[20:54] <soee_> yeah it is working  great :)
[21:09] <rozalina> Do you guys know if it's possible to install pentesting tool on Kubuntu ? It's not for illegal purpose. I just want to test my server running Debian. I tried with Kali Linux but my main OS is kubuntu so you know ^^ I'm too lazy to restart my computer each time i want to play with my server
[21:34] <MichaelTunnell> Rick_Timmis: where are show notes for the podcast posted?
[23:10] <mimmo> mina
[23:10] <mimmo> celentano
[23:29] <soul> Can somebody help me, please? I can't restore my laptop's resolution.
[23:30] <edaq> Soul___
[23:30] <edaq> Soul__
[23:30] <Soul___> Yes yes
[23:30] <edaq> ah
[23:30] <edaq> what is wrong with the res
[23:30] <edaq> too big
[23:30] <edaq> too small
[23:30] <edaq> after a game crashed
[23:31] <edaq> describe
[23:31] <edaq> pls
[23:31] <Soul___> Well, I installed WoW(a game) with wine, and puf! Now I just have a 800x600 resolution (my normal resolution is 1920x1080)
[23:31] <edaq> have you tried control pannel
[23:32] <Soul___> I can't restore it through the system settings because I can't select any resolution
[23:32] <edaq> ah
[23:32] <edaq> let me see
[23:32] <edaq> can you access your terminal
[23:32] <Soul___> I'm looking how to modify xorg but it's really hard
[23:32] <Soul___> yes I can
[23:32] <edaq> k
[23:32] <edaq> I look for a good screen controller
[23:32] <edaq> had this happen on mine
[23:34] <edaq> is your screen vga
[23:34] <edaq> or lva
[23:34] <edaq> what is the output
[23:35] <edaq> lvds
[23:35] <edaq> etc
[23:35] <Soul___> ehm..
[23:35] <Soul___> It's a laptop, I' dont know.. lvds?
[23:35] <edaq> k
[23:35] <edaq> try this
[23:35] <Soul___> How can I check that?
[23:35] <edaq> xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 --rate 75
[23:35] <edaq> ah
[23:36] <edaq> you can check it with
[23:36] <edaq> I think it is under componets
[23:36] <Soul___> I tried your line( I found it on the Internet before) and no luck, LVDS not found
[23:36] <edaq> ah
[23:37] <edaq> checking for another one
[23:37] <edaq> what is your current res
[23:37] <edaq> have you restarted your machine
[23:38] <edaq> If all that fails there is a quick work around if you are admin on your machine
[23:38] <Soul___> yes I am
[23:38] <edaq> k
[23:38] <edaq> create another user admin
[23:38] <Soul___> The configuration seems okay before logging in
[23:38] <edaq> and migrate to it
[23:38] <Soul___> when I log in, I get that ugly resolution
[23:38] <edaq> make another account
[23:38] <edaq> admin etc
[23:38] <edaq> then start migrating your files over
[23:39] <edaq> I did that
[23:39] <edaq> didnt want to edit config files after trying that
[23:39] <edaq> so just made a second admin account myname2
[23:39] <edaq> and moved over to it
[23:39] <edaq> all your files will still be there
[23:39] <edaq> you can reintegrate your menu etc
[23:40] <edaq> it is not perfect solution
[23:40] <edaq> but it is faster
[23:42] <edaq> are you still there
[23:42] <edaq> Soul___
[23:42] <Soul___> yes
[23:42] <edaq> ah
[23:42] <Soul___> I'm going to restart, let me check..
[23:42] <edaq> any luck
[23:42] <edaq> k
[23:45] <edaq> so did the second account work
[23:48] <edaq> did the second account work?
[23:48] <soul__> Hi
[23:48] <soul__> I don't know how
[23:48] <soul__> but after restarting and trying to connect with failsafe, it works :S
[23:49] <edaq> nice
[23:49] <edaq> glad to help you with it
[23:49] <edaq> try xubuntus control panels
[23:49] <edaq> they can be helpful
[23:49] <edaq> sudo apt-get xfce
[23:49] <edaq> and use their control methods
[23:49] <edaq> they can wok for laptops better
[23:52] <Guest12447> what is this place?
[23:54] <Guest12447> What goes on here?
[23:55] <edaq> what is this place?
[23:55] <edaq> that do you meen
[23:55] <edaq> mean Guest12447
[23:55] <edaq> what do you mean by this place
[23:56] <edaq> the IRC
[23:56] <edaq> the xfce debian package
[23:56] <edaq> etc
[23:56] <Guest12447> New to Linux = stumbled upon this
[23:56] <edaq> ah
[23:56] <edaq> this is the IRC for kubuntu users
[23:56] <edaq> but other linux users may be here also
[23:56] <Guest12447> Ah.  Reminicent of the old AOL chat rooms
[23:57] <edaq> yes it is IRC
[23:57] <edaq> get a client and you can have lots of access
[23:57] <edaq> try hexchat, quassel, pidgin
[23:57] <edaq> etc
[23:57] <Guest12447> Is this Konversation program considered a client?
[23:58] <edaq> yes
[23:58] <edaq> yeah
[23:58] <edaq> it is a nice one
[23:58] <edaq> do you like psych
[23:59] <edaq> Guest12447
[23:59] <Guest12447> Is psych a client or are you referring to the field of study?