[16:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[19:47] <petersaints> any chance of getting KDE Frameworks 5.89.0 on the Kubuntu Backports PPA? I noticed that it is already present on the Kubuntu Staging Frameworks PPA so, unless there are any glaring issues, it should be mostly ready to be moved to the "main" PPA. The same goes for the KDE Application 21.12.0 on the "Kubuntu Staging KDE Applications" PPA.


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[12:13] <nhandler> pleia2: I'm about to head out. I'll be back late Friday. I know you are going to be gone. Just let me know sometime before you leave if you still want me to publish UWN monday?
[12:51] <Pendulum> nhandler: she's already left for her vacation
[13:03] <akgraner> nhandler, how the heck are you...
[13:48] <pleia2> nhandler: thanks, I'll let you know :)
[13:48]  * pleia2 is indeed in Maine!
[13:48] <pleia2> going up to meet my newly created relative today :)
[13:49] <Myrtti> congratulations for the parent for forking the process
[13:49] <pleia2> thanks, my sister should be let out of the hospital today, the baby is going to take a bit longer since he's so tiny


[08:04] <agliv5> Nabend :) wollt mal fragen ob die JRE 5.0 Update 10 Ubuntu-Tauglich ist und wie es am besten zu installieren wre?
[08:06] <agliv5> Evening :) I was wondering if the JRE 5.0 Update 10 is compatiable with Ubuntu, and if so, what's the best way to update?
[09:51] <vil> doko: hi
[09:54] <agliv5> Greetings :) I've installed the 5.0 Update 10 and now I need to change the shortcut... can anybody help?
[10:09] <agliv5> Greetings :) can anyone help me update the shortcut to the newest version JRE 5.0 Update 10 that I just installed?


[15:38] <len-1304> zequence, have you played with 13.04 much? Which file manager do you use on a daily basis?
[15:39] <len-1304> I have been using Thunar with no issues for over a month now.
[15:40] <len-1304> I find the UI easier to understand... but I don't know how long that will be true for the average user.
[15:41] <len-1304> catfish is getting a rewrite and looks like it is to the testing stage.
[15:42] <zequence> len-1304: I don't really do much desktop testing
[15:43] <zequence> I don't use XFCE on a daily basis. I rather use Gnome3
[15:43] <zequence> I only boot into XFCE if I need to do something specific
[15:43] <zequence> Right now I've got all the releases, both 32 and 64 bit installed, so I can do testing, if needed
[15:44] <len-1304> Ok, I am just wondering if there is any reason to keep nautilus.
[15:44] <zequence> So far, I'm just booting lowlatency kernels on them as a part of the update/maintenance procedure
[15:46] <zequence> len-1304: I'm more or less of the opinion, that we could just as well use either XFCE defaults, or Xubuntu defaults as far as it doesn't affect our workflows negatively
[15:46] <zequence> I've started to think about the possibility of keeping multiple desktop solutions for Ubuntu Studio
[15:47] <zequence> I pitched the idea to falktx, saying why not he maintained a KDE version of ubuntustudio-desktop
[15:47] <zequence> He didn't seem to interested though
[15:47] <zequence> And of course, it would require interest
[15:47] <len-1304> I should perhaps work on a menu set that was more generic then.
[15:48] <zequence> I think our menu is great. I just think we should follow the established standards to the letter, and push upstream changes to the standards that we require
[15:49] <len-1304> What I mean is that our menu will only show in xfce
[15:49] <len-1304> it is possible to make those changes show up in kde as well
[15:49] <zequence> Oh, I think that would be much better, yes
[15:49] <len-1304> (and gnome )
[15:49] <len-1304> It will take some work :)
[15:50] <len-1304> I don't want to go back to three or more menu config files
[15:50] <zequence> We might need to think more about these things, but AFA the meny goes, I think it makes sense to have it be as generic as possible
[15:51] <len-1304> OK, once -settings gets released as is so I can test our icon theme and it works right I will work on that next.
[16:18] <len-1304> Just tested the newest catfish, it opens but has problems in R.
[16:19] <len-1304> The dev lives on #xubuntu-devel so I will follow his PPA and do testing for it. I think we need a search utility now that none of the file managers have one.
[16:25] <len-1304> zequence, I have set up an internet streaming set up with two machines. (this is the normal way to do it) I don't know if we want to add the apps for this workflow or not. Basically it is just IDJC. The server side... well is server :)
[16:26] <len-1304> By the time the stream gets to the server it is high latency (5 sec or so) and I have ubuntu server on that one.
[16:29] <len-1304> There seem to be a number of fixes coming in the new unreleased as yet pulse. I hope to see them in Ubuntu for R, but if not we should have them by next LTS.
[16:30] <len-1304> I have asked for the PA-jack bridge to default to stereo (2 channels) rather than as many as the hardware supports.
[16:31] <len-1304> This should be more in line with (semi)pro needs.
[16:56] <zequence> len-1304: Sounds good about the bridge
[16:57] <zequence> len-1304: Don't know much about streaming, but that's probably something worth making easy on US as well
[17:05] <len-1304> zequence, The streaming part is actually easy. It is the extras that seem to cause the most trouble.
[17:06] <len-1304> It seems that with either streaming or podcast creation, remote interview stuff gets thrown in.
[17:06] <len-1304> So the phone/conference to jack interface gets to be the trouble part.
[17:08] <len-1304> It is possible to do a phone/skype recording all in PA... but it is not intuitive at all. There is much manual set up required after the call has been connected :P
[17:27] <zequence> I guess it might make sense to finish testing stuff first, as that is the "simplest" part of development, and the first step towards fixing stuff
[17:27] <zequence> Just thinking what I should do right now
[19:41] <zequence> len-1304: This might be a nice resource, if you wanted to learn python https://python-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[19:42] <len-1304> Thank you. What I really need to do is some coding... like work on a project  :)
[19:42] <len-1304> But I will add that to the site I was following.
[19:43] <len-1304> (a gnome site I think)
[19:43] <zequence> I was looking at docs for UTAH, the testing system being developed and which I was intending to see if we could use for anything intelligent. Seems to be some nice docs on that site
[19:44] <zequence> readthedocs.org
[19:59] <len-1304> Oh my, someone is trying to suspend US  :P
[19:59] <len-1304> Anyway, I have posted an email to the list about the internet streaming/podcast work flow.
[20:00] <len-1304> Just some thoughts and experiences.
[20:00] <zequence> suspend?
[20:00] <len-1304> Lumpy, feel free to add whatever as you use this setup.
[20:01] <len-1304> Ya bug #586209
[22:49] <zequence> Since Ubuntu is going mobile some time next year, that will become a possible tool for anything multimedia, including low latency audio
[22:49] <zequence> Android is said to have lousy low latency audio
[23:03] <len-1304> zequence, The question is if that is internal audio or USB audio.
[23:05] <zequence> len-1304: Not sure what the hardware will look like, but since from what I understand, the phone can be docked and turned into a regular desktop system, it might support a usb interface
[23:06] <zequence> Even with internal audio, you can use it to create content, even if not recording audio with it
[23:06] <zequence> You could make beats, record voice fragments, sample stuff
[23:07] <zequence> Sampling does require a bit of quality though, so some way of using an external mic would be required
[23:07] <len-1304> I guess what I am saying is that my netbook, similar in design idea, has really bad internal latency because of bad HW decisions. But is ok with external HW
[23:09] <zequence> The change in processor architecture alone makes a big difference
[23:09] <zequence> From what I've seen, arm processors need some getting used to for audio developers
[23:10] <zequence> The big difference with the Ubuntu phone will be that it's practically the same OS as a desktop os. It has the same core components
[23:11] <zequence> ..compared to other phone OSs
[23:11] <zequence> And that does open up for a lot of fun things
[23:12] <zequence> We aren't exactly well manned, but it might be something we should look into. How to bring Ubuntu Studio to the phone
[23:12] <len-1304> It means to me (hope I'm wrong) that the desktop version will be less nice... or less smart.
[23:12] <zequence> It just means that the desktop will be available directly from the phone
[23:13] <zequence> Unity will have three different view modes. 1.Phone, 2.Desktop, 3.TV
[23:13] <zequence> The phone becomes all of those three things
[23:13] <zequence> That's at least the impression I'm getting
[23:13] <zequence> You can still install anything you want on it
[23:14] <zequence> Applications will need more than one view mode as well
[23:14] <len-1304> Ya, From looking at unity though, The desktop is getting less able to handle complex tasks such as development.... which includes audio/video etc.
[23:14] <zequence> How so?
[23:14] <zequence> It's a regular desktop
[23:14] <len-1304> Unity tends to single app use.
[23:14] <zequence> Nothing has disappeared in functionality
[23:15] <len-1304> BRB
[23:15] <zequence> I don't see why people think that
[23:16] <zequence> Personally, I find Gnome3 a lot easier to work with than Unity, which is a little slow, and I don't like the global menu.
[23:16] <zequence> And, I wouldn't go back to the traditional desktop
[23:17] <zequence> I only do multimedia and development pretty much
[23:17] <zequence> as well as normal usage of course
[23:18] <zequence> I think with the Ubuntu phone, probably other UIs will be installable at some point
[23:18] <zequence> ..and used for the phone UI
[23:19] <zequence> The term "single app" is not something that is likely to happen on a Linux system
[23:20] <zequence> It's a multiuser and a multi application environment. All though some systems, like pulseaudio, don't always fit that category
[23:21] <astraljava> zequence: I'm not exactly sure Ubuntu Phone users should even be our target audience.
[23:22] <len-1304> Sorry I should have said single app on the screen at one time
[23:22] <astraljava> I don't think any self-respecting high quality creator would give half a thought of recording much with a phone. Not even a tablet.
[23:23] <len-1304> Phones are good for "reporter" kinds of use.
[23:23] <astraljava> Yes, but are they our target user base?
[23:23] <zequence> astraljava: Why is that exactly? You ever heard of people recording with portable DAT tape recorders?
[23:23] <len-1304> A very very small part :)
[23:23] <zequence> It's not exactly a new concept
[23:24] <zequence> Jeez
[23:24] <len-1304> But it could become a larger part if the HW supports it.
[23:24] <zequence> It's a computer, like any computer. It's just small
[23:24] <astraljava> Yes, true. But like len-1304 said, the user interface is designed for showing one window at the time. That's not very practical for anything multimedia creation work flow, is it.
[23:25] <len-1304> SWitching workspaces with unity is a pain... with a capital P
[23:25] <len-1304> Maybe there is a shortcut... but the gui option is slow
[23:26] <astraljava> And even with a screen with 4.8" desktop, especially when we're going towards Full-HD, or even larger, how would you handle a mixer window with, say, 8 channels?
[23:26] <zequence> Unity is in no way designed for single app windows, one at the time. The phone will of course do that, in phone mode (would be weird having 5 apps open in the same window, when you're only interested in controlling one at the time)
[23:27] <zequence> len-1304: Ctrl+Alt+Arrows
[23:27] <astraljava> Or from a graphic artist POV, how would you draw anything on that screen? Even selecting anything on that precise a screen would become a PITA.
[23:27] <zequence> astraljava: Are you talking about recording, or mixing?
[23:27] <len-1304> Short cuts are not GUI. They are CLI stuff
[23:28] <zequence> A table might actually do all the things you can do on a desktop
[23:28] <zequence> But, not a phone, with such a small gui
[23:28] <astraljava> Whatever. The information bits become way too tiny for any type of pointing device, stylus etc. but digits even more so.
[23:28] <zequence> I mean, you could, but it might not be time saving
[23:29] <zequence> I think all of that is bollocks. It's a computer. Each gui mode has it's own interface. You can code new interfaces for old functions(programs). You use the right tool for the right job, and sometimes, or often, they are all good for the same job
[23:29] <len-1304> Normally a small device for audio would be something that records two tracks. Once you add an external card, there is no point in using such a small device.
[23:30] <astraljava> Yeah ok. When I see someone using Ardour 3 with a new front-end without any glitches, on a Samsung Galaxy S3 (or similar), I'll buy it. For some reasons, I'm not holding my breath.
[23:31] <zequence> astraljava: Let's say there is one thing you can't do using the phone. Does that mean it's useless for multimedia?
[23:32] <zequence> Even if it only does 30%, it's still a valid device
[23:32] <astraljava> Look, I'm not questioning the device's limitations. I'm questioning users' limitations. Information shown becomes too small for most people's eyes. And I'm saying this as a person who has been complimented as having the best eye-sight from a couple of tens of thousands of employees' corporation.
[23:32] <len-1304> I can't see tracking.... but then again there are 4 track devices that are really small too.
[23:32] <zequence> You can do tracking as long as you have multichannel devices
[23:33] <len-1304> Tracking requires one input... at least
[23:33] <zequence> Ah, right. You mean adding tracks afterwards
[23:33] <astraljava> zequence: I'm saying I don't see those devices as something this project should be concentrating on. Sure, fix bugs if people find them on those devices. But don't put it too high on the priority lists.
[23:34] <len-1304> I think a studio meta for portable devices might be a better idea.
[23:34] <zequence> astraljava: I think that's up to anyone who wants to do the work
[23:34] <zequence> There are no limitations to what we can do, other than, who is willing to do it
[23:35] <zequence> There's no need for consensus on a lot of things we do. If we had more people, we could do more things. That's how I see it anyway
[23:36] <zequence> There's no need to pull the handbrake everytime someone suggests something new
[23:36] <len-1304> Yes.
[23:36] <astraljava> Of course, I'm in no position to tell anyone what to do. Simply stating my point of view. But like you said, the power of this project is having a few people working on things mutually agreed upon. It's not like there's a queue of willing people that are just dying to have their hands on the codebase.
[23:37] <len-1304> I agree.
[23:38] <astraljava> zequence: That's a very funny idea, how did you even come up with that? Is it like you were about to commit code, and I refused a merge proposal?
[23:39] <zequence> It's just the general attitude I see from most people. Including me, sometimes
[23:39] <astraljava> I'm sorry if you took that personally. I hope you understand I have no formal authority here, and that you are free to proceed with anything the project sees appropriate.
[23:40] <zequence> I will probably never take anything here personally ;)
[23:40] <astraljava> Ok good.
[23:41] <astraljava> I'm not so sure there's been a lot of pulling the handbrakes here. Like you yourself stated, it's more a question of not having enough contributors, rather than any shortage of ideas.
[23:42] <astraljava> And I really don't see too many prospects being turned away by refusing to consider their ideas, either.
[23:42] <zequence> the Ubuntu phone will be the first ever PC in a phone. In not many years after that, probably, the phone will do what our PCs are doing now. You dock it to get the desktop view. The apps are the same, just with different guis. Some things you can always do on a phone. Listening to mixes using earphones. Adjusting levels. Making beats with sequencers.
[23:43] <astraljava> What I do see is not having a real team effort. There's lots of discussion between a handful of people, few of which push commits to the bzr branches. Nothing else, really.
[23:43] <zequence> I would say there are three people doing work right now
[23:44] <zequence> And that is from the best of our abilities
[23:44] <zequence> There's a clear plan
[23:44] <zequence> And one of the items in that plan is to get more people involved
[23:44] <zequence> astraljava: ever looked at the blueprints we have?
[23:45] <astraljava> Not really, the very limited time spent on this project has been in the scope of monitoring this channel. And as such, I have really not witnessed any suppression of new contributor efforts.
[23:46] <zequence> astraljava: I'd suggest taking a look at the blueprints, as they show what we have planned, what we are doing, and what is left to do
[23:47] <zequence> One of the efforts towards that is PR
[23:48] <astraljava> I would do so, if I saw that I had any energy to be valuable to the project. But as it stands, I'm hardly valuable to any organization within my immediate circles.
[23:48] <zequence> Unified, and more professional communication outwards
[23:48] <astraljava> Well I'm glad that is on the agenda.
[23:49] <zequence> One caveeat with a phone is storage
[23:50] <zequence> But, there's still plenty for one audio project, or any other media type
[23:50] <zequence> one, or more..
[23:57] <zequence> I was trying out autopilot earlier. Not working right for me, but seems promising for doing automated testing. I'm thinking, at least see if applications will run or not.
[23:57] <zequence> One can make more elaborate tests, involving gui interaction
[23:58] <zequence> Those would need to be written for each application


[09:23] <Mikaela> Hi, am I missing some simple trick to make all apps launch on my right display by default instead of the left one? The left would be a TV screen and most of apps look bad on it and I have to move everything by hand to the riht one. This question seemed a little ungoogleable
[10:02] <alkisg> Mikaela: the panel and apps go to the "primary monitor"
[10:03] <alkisg> You can declare which monitor is the "primary" from the control panel display settings
[10:03] <Mikaela> alkisg, but when I open something from the panel or desktop launcher, it opens on the left monitor even if it's not primary
[10:04] <alkisg> Mikaela: is your panel to the right monitor, and the right monitor is the primary one, and your mouse is to the right monitor?
[10:05] <alkisg> (you can see the "primary" monitor if you run `xrandr`, it says "primary" there)
[10:14] <Mikaela> alkisg: yes to all
[10:14] <Mikaela> I just had to leave, so I am not on my laptop for a few hours
[10:14] <alkisg> Mikaela: can you paste the output of this? xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:14] <alkisg> Ah ok, let's continue when you're there again
[10:15] <Mikaela> _b thanks :)
[11:55] <andrew_> anyone on?
[11:55] <andrew_> hello
[11:56] <andrew_> hello!
[12:44] <Mikaela> alkisg, http://termbin.com/k5x7 (xrandr)
[12:44] <Mikaela> I think it's also agreeing tha thte laptop/right screen is primary as TV/left is connected with HDMI
[12:50] <tytan> hello everyone, I upgraded from Ubuntu Mate 14.04 to 18.04 and I don't have a drop down terminal on F12 anymore. Have I done something wrong? This is a minimal installation.
[12:50] <tytan> *fresh installation on a new computer
[13:27] <tytan> ok, I found that setting.
[13:34] <alkisg> Mikaela: run mate-tweak, and see if it happens with all window managers or not
[13:36] <alkisg> i.e. marco, compton etc
[17:51] <lafleurdubien> Hi everyone. I'm a single ubuntu guy and I'm seeking an ubuntu mate.
[17:56] <vkareh> LOL
[18:19] <humm8> Is there any hidpi (5 or 8K under 32 or 34 inch) support todays?
[18:25] <humm8> Hey lafleurdubien, hope you enjoy something.
[18:25] <lafleurdubien> I enjoy long walks on the beach
[18:26] <lafleurdubien> is that good enough?
[18:28] <humm8> off course it is
[22:03] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to use the nvidia drivers on Ubuntu MATE 18.04, with a nVidia GeForce GTX 860M via Optimus.  Although `prime-select query` outputs `nvidia`, nvidia-smi fails with "NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running."  I can't use CUDA as a result, and my graphics are being drawn with my Intel chip.  How can I
[22:03] <BlueProtoman> fix this?


[08:21] <RikMills> mmikowski: also https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-sync-meeting-notes-may-8-2023/35642
[08:21] <RikMills> I think I missed that meeting :/
[09:31] <RikMills[m]> mmikowski: also https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/rethinking-ubuntu-desktop-a-more-thoughtful-default-installation/36736
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all


[00:09] <Crell> Hm.  I can start krunner from the command line, and it works once, but then not again?
[00:09] <Crell> That's... weird.
 crell have you uninstalled it and tried again?
 purge files
[00:50] <Crell> I have not.  Which package is krunner in?
[00:52] <genii> plasma-workspace
 crell: 'sudo apt purge krunner' then reinstall it
[01:14] <genii> krunner is not it's own package. It is a component of the package previously mentioned, plasma-workspace
[01:14] <genii> !info krunnner
[01:14] <genii> eg^
 apt search krunner
 has plenty of info
[01:16] <genii> ..also, easier instead of purging them reinstalling, is : sudo apt-get install --reinstall <whatever>
[01:16] <Crell> Hm.  That seems a bad thing to uninstall. :-)  I'll try the reinstall command.
 purging will get rid of all files and configs, not the same
 two different things
[01:17] <Crell> After doing a reinstall, do I need to restart KDE?
 shouldn't need to
[01:18] <Crell> Are you bridged in from Slack or something? :-)
[01:18] <genii> @sigAIO install -reinstall overwites whatever filles it currently has with factory install config files
[01:18] <Crell> Still no Alt-F2 response.  Running `krunner` on the command line brings up the dialog once, but once only.
 If I run into problems and I need to reinstall a package that I have no need to save config files I purge packages.
[03:57] <emma> does kubuntu have a bootable usb drive creator?
 yes, in kubuntu 20.04: usb-creator-kde
[05:26] <IrcsomeBot1> LtVerdier was added by: LtVerdier
 Hi everybody, … I've got the Kubuntu 20.04 LTS and despite "the Screen lock after 15 min" choice, after serveral hours of inactivity a simple mouse move wake the screen without passwd. Did I forget to do something ?
[05:51] <IrcsomeBot1> josebenaque was added by: josebenaque
[06:24] <valorie> @LtVerdier - that makes me suspect that you have a permissions problem in your home
[06:24] <valorie> probably in your ~/.config
[06:24] <valorie> probably chowning your home will fix that
[06:24] <valorie> !chown
[06:30] <IrcsomeBot1> Mpramono was added by: Mpramono
 Thakns for this answer. The '/home/~' belong to me, I did a chown -R from "~/.config" to test your solution and wait for the screen lock
[07:25] <iotaka> hello, on a laptop I'm testing firefox -> hamburger menu -> customize ... -> disabled Title Bar
[07:25] <iotaka> in this way I recovered some precious pixels
[07:25] <iotaka> the only thing is that the title of the tabs are dark gray on slightly lighter gray
[07:25] <iotaka> it happens also to you?
[07:27] <lordievader> Good mornin
[07:27] <lordievader>  * Good morning
[08:19] <dv_> hi. kubuntu 20.04 running here. works well overall, except that the systray icons are blank. so, the systray is there, the icons are there (i can see the context menus when I right-click there), but the are where I nornmally would see the icons are empty.
[08:20] <dv_> I can't find a bug report about this. if I remove the systray and reinsert it into the panel again, the icons do show up.
[08:23] <dv_> icons from KDE specific subsystems like kde connect or the clipboard do appear, however.
 @valorie, No relation with the ownership. I was the owner of the entire /home/~. Do you have another explanation ? It's a safety problem for me...
[11:43] <IrcsomeBot1> Federico Pacini was added by: Federico Pacini
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:57]  * masonbee-M uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200507_185636.png (23KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/pejaIUfRcGCnQCexQCxfCMrq >
[16:57] <masonbee-M> BluesKaj: Top of the Riot screen (using the web client) there is a lot of stuff about Kubuntu 18.10 being released today.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> masonbee-M, 18.10 is EOL
[17:03] <BluesKaj> !EOL
[17:03] <masonbee-M> BluesKaj: At the top of this forums page, it says it is being released today 😇
[17:04] <masonbee-M> BluesKaj: Who do I contact to get them to update is?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> well, it's obviously out of date no matter what that url states
[17:06] <masonbee-M> Yes, but it should probably be changed is what i am getting at. I figured you either are, or would know who is, the admin.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> no idea who the admin would be, but you can report that in #kubuntu-devel chat if you wish
[17:09] <masonbee-M> OK, thank you.
[17:09] <BluesKaj> np
[17:10] <RikMills> there are no admins for matrix
[17:36] <housecat> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/703
[17:36] <housecat> it's just the matrix bridge failing again
[17:37] <RikMills> I assumed so
[18:09] <jukebohi> Slight discrepancy in 18.04
[18:09] <jukebohi> htop is saying all cores are free and System Monitor is saying 60-80% of CPU in use
[18:10] <jukebohi> 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' has been running an hour
[18:11] <jukebohi> I have no idea what is sucking up the CPU, because I cannot see any process in the Process Table that would be using it, nor can I see any load in htop
[19:29] <IrcsomeBot1> wranglar was added by: wranglar
[21:03] <IrcsomeBot1> A_bdoh was added by: A_bdoh
 have you tried restarting your session?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/UkHJgHIh/file_29109.jpg hi my computer isn't booting, it reaches this point and then nothing what should I do?
[22:57] <tomreyn> salvaconnome: which kubuntu version is this? can you speculate on the cause of the malfunction - did it work previously, what changed?
[22:57] <tomreyn> salvaconnome: basic hardware details would also help.
[22:57] <tomreyn> and try switching to a tty, see whether oyu got a text login prompt there.
[22:57] <tomreyn> !tty
 I'm on Kubuntu 19.10
 I had another problem first, I can't turn off the power. It was stuck at reboot: power down
 I tried doing an update to the system and then rebooted
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/MKJuv7zQ/file_29110.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/15f00Nh1/file_29111.jpg
 will try in a moment
 tty works
 I'm on tty right now
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/IdYY687W/file_29112.jpg
[23:13] <tomreyn> doh, your /boot is a 53 GB file system
[23:13] <tomreyn> that's unusually large
 lulz
 is that a problem or just an unusual thing?
[23:15] <tomreyn> the kernel image listed on the top of your grub menu shot, which will be booted by default, looks like a kernel-ppa image.
[23:15] <tomreyn> /boot being huge is probably just unusual, i assume it's not a problem
 should I remove this kernel and go back to the old one?
[23:17] <tomreyn> maybe later, for now now just reboot to one of the 5.3.0 ones
[23:17] <tomreyn> see whether this makes booting work again
[23:17] <tomreyn> which graphics hardware and driver do you have there?
 Nvidia. don't remember exactly, is an old PC, I'll tell you in a moment when I reboot on 5.3
[23:20] <tomreyn> no more questions, your honor.
 😆
 hahaha
 okay 5.3 is working
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/m7Kd7R08/file_29113.jpg
[23:22] <tomreyn> so you were using old nvidia hardware with maybe their proprietary driver (probably a very old one, too, then) with an unsupported test kernel, and that didn't let the nvidia driver start up properly. i'm not terribly surprised.
 😅 sorry
 GeForce 8600 GT
[23:23] <tomreyn> no worries. ;)
 G84
[23:24] <tomreyn> released in april 2007
 any other info you need? what should I do now? delete new kernel and stay with old one?
[23:25] <tomreyn> yes, keep using supported kernel images and you'll probably be more or less fine
 okay
 sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-unsigned-5.6.0-050600-generic
[23:25] <tomreyn> with this old a graphics card you'll probably also have a very old CPU, though
 is this the best way?
 yes
[23:26] <tomreyn> i'd always prefer apt
 Core 2 Quad Q9400 @ 2.66GHz
[23:26] <tomreyn> apt purge linux-image-unsigned-5.6.0-050600-generic
 thanks will do that then
[23:27] <tomreyn> chances are this cpu got no or not all the meltdown / spectre security patches
[23:28] <tomreyn> it'll also eat much power compare dto todays' systems with similar compute power.
 yikes
 so I'll should throw it trough the window and then pick the pieces and send it to the trash?
 problem is I have no money to buy a new one atm
[23:31] <tomreyn> well, if you have the coins to replace it.
[23:31] <tomreyn> see ;)
 haha
 it's not my computer actually but my mom's... I have a much faster and newer laptop...
 anyways
 I uninstalled the kernel and are rebooting now to see if it starts normally
[23:34] <tomreyn> aha, so mom gets the trash! ;-)
 It wasn't trash when she got it (10 years ago)
 lmao
 was a pretty decent computer at that time
 time flies
[23:36] <tomreyn> if you have a good book, yes
 okay so now the computers turns on okay but it won't turn off
 sometimes it says nothing sometimes it says this reboot: shut down message
[23:52] <tomreyn> hmm, those are usually caused by buggy bioses, bioses not supporting linux well
 sudo shutdown -h from tty worked fine
 yeah the bios from this monstrosity of a computer is buggy a.f.
 I'm doomed then
[23:53] <tomreyn> you got the latest there was?
 nothing showed up on the screen
 it just went dark and then shut down
[23:54] <tomreyn> also there is possibly a workaround at http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[23:55] <tomreyn> comparing this dedicated graphics card https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+8600+GT&id=64 to 2016's (CPU) integrated graphics card: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+Iris+Pro+580&id=3481
 lol I assume higher numbers are better


[00:06] <TJ-> Oh I need to swear!! with the overlay on /usr "sudo vi /path/to/file" gives "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?"
[00:06] <TJ-> Why always me!?!?
[00:07] <TJ-> and of course now I cannot remount or unmount it!
[00:15] <TJ-> better! "You need at least 8.3GB disk space..." "This computer has only 3.2GB" ... "Continue" button :)
[00:15] <Bashing-om> TJ-: ^^ Because you go where no other has gone before ??
[00:16] <TJ-> Well, if you include the Gnome Shell issue where the taskbar sound icon brings up a dialog with a volume slier and a pause button at the bottom, which when pressed, shuts the PC down without warning!!
[00:16] <Ben64> ok so i made a key, gave it to ubuntu, they emailed me a message encrypted, but now i can't decrypt because gpg can't find the secret key??
[00:17] <TJ-> Ben64: you need to tell gpg2 where the private key is
[00:17] <Ben64> oh, gpg2
[00:17] <Ben64> the instructions say gpg
[00:20] <TJ-> gpg is the older version; they're mostly the same but gpg2 puts secret keys in a different sub-dir under ~/.gnupg/ I think
[00:20] <Ben64> heh, now backportpackage gives me the same error, it's using gpg instead of gpg2
[00:21] <TJ-> should be fine. how did you create the key originally?
[00:21] <TJ-> with gpg, or gpg2 ?
[00:21] <Ben64> with the "passwords and encryption" application that launchpad told me to
[00:22] <TJ-> which is SeaHorse I think; and should be using gpg2 I'd have thought. Check it's config options it might indicate which secret keyring it's using
[00:23] <Ben64> not a whole lot of option here
[00:24] <TJ-> darn! stuck on this 17.10 liveISO desktop digital clock again! anyone know which key press(es) are supposed to send it away!?
[00:24] <Ben64> TJ-: haven't seen that on my 17.10 vm
[00:24] <TJ-> it keeps coming up in the 'Try Ubuntu' session if I leave it about 5 minutes or os
[00:25] <TJ-> earlier I hit keys at random and it went away but I've no idea which key did it :D
[00:25] <TJ-> mouse doesn't help, but the taskbar is still interactive at top of screen
[00:25] <TJ-> aha, 3 hits in Esc did it this time
[00:25] <TJ-> so intuitive - not!
[00:28] <TJ-> I do not believe it - 10 years on - and still the installer does not support creating LVM when doing manual partitioning!!
[00:29] <daftykins> :S
[00:29] <TJ-> Oh and now it tells me it's Debian, not Ubuntu :D
[00:30] <TJ-> I let it do an automatic LVM install, and it came up with a "Force UEFI installation" dialog question - not sure why, it booted in UEFI mode! Part of the long message says "... If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode, it might be difficutl to reboot the machine into any BIOS-mode ..."
[00:32] <TJ-> hmm, and it's used 512MB for the EFI SP!! it needs no more than 64MB and that's pushing it
[00:33] <Ben64> https://gist.github.com/Ben64/4e0b1ee50df41393f40a810f16d8a96b
[00:33] <Ben64> why.
[00:33] <Ben64> TJ-: oh i had that problem
[00:34] <Ben64> it wouldn't let me press anything
[00:34] <Ben64> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:34] <Ben64> /dev/nvme0n1p1  240M   512  240M   1% /boot/efi
[00:34] <Ben64> dunno why mine did 240
[00:36] <TJ-> that's more like it! I've just checked and the automatic partitioner hasn't created an EFI SP at all, well not by GUID anyhow, it's a regular Windows '0700'
[00:39] <TJ-> Ben64: "gpg --import a" -- the option you use is 'unused' according to the man-page
[00:41] <Ben64> ooh
[00:41] <Ben64> outdated guides
[00:42] <Ben64> gpg: skipped "ben64 <ben64@ben64>": secret key not available
[00:42] <Ben64> well, what the hell
[00:43] <Ben64> gpg can use the key now, but still fails when doing backportpackage
[00:44] <TJ-> typical, I think you've caught my bug :D everything-goes-wrong-itus
[00:51] <TJ-> OK, so got past that, got the country map prompt, move on, and get a dialog error "ERROR!!" "Invalid argument during seek for write on /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg-home"
[00:52] <Ben64> have to put DEBSIGN_KEYID=<id> into ~/.devscripts
[00:52] <TJ-> oh, yes! Mine's been there so long I forgot!
[00:52] <Ben64> one of these days i'll start updating old docs on ubuntu wiki
[00:53] <daftykins> might as well make it a new year's resolution ;D
[00:54] <Ben64> heh maybe
[00:54] <Ben64> might be flying to china january, airports seem like a good place to do that stuff
[00:58] <daftykins> ooh, holiday?
[00:59] <nacc> Ben64: yeah devscript is a set-it-and-forget-it for most :/
[01:05] <TJ-> I've never hit so many errors in my life! well, maybe! This is why I always install new releases using deboostrap... takes 10 minutes!
[01:09] <daftykins> D:
[01:15] <Ben64> thats why i hate upgrading
[01:15] <Ben64> there's always something
[01:15] <TJ-> I've never had problems with upgrades; I almost always get issues with installers though
[01:15] <Ben64> still have some tweaks to the theme to do
[01:16] <Ben64> right now there's only 1px on the border to resize windows
[01:16] <TJ-> I've given up on it, wasted a day just trying to get a VM installed from the ISO to work on the nsswitch/mdns offline name resolving bug
[01:16] <Ben64> what that bug?
[01:17] <TJ-> that I really hated when they introduced it - I had an argument with the designer responsible originally over it
[01:17] <TJ-> On hidpi screens even with a hi-res mouse it's hard to grab the edge; with a laptop touchpad it's impossible
[01:18] <TJ-> bug #1295229   still affects 17.10; we had a user in yesterday with it
[01:18] <TJ-> causing "sudo xxxx" commands to hang for several minutes because localhost name resolving fails
[01:19] <Ben64> oh, not the problem i had last night
[01:19] <Ben64> everything was resolving to <IP_ADDRESS> for a bit
[01:19] <TJ-> is that your subnet?
[01:19] <Ben64> my local network is <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[01:19] <Ben64> made no sense
[01:19] <TJ-> so you use upstream DNS servers from your ISP?
[01:19] <TJ-> s/so/do/
[01:20] <Ben64> i use <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <Ben64> those still worked, dnsmasq was doing something weird
[01:20] <TJ-> weird; I've seen misconfigured upstream resolvers return the same IP for all lookups once
[01:21] <Ben64> i don't know enough (anything) about dnsmasq to diagnose it, just threw <IP_ADDRESS> into /etc/resolv.conf and said good enough
[01:22] <Ben64> i think i had the same problem on my laptop last year too
[01:22] <Ben64> must be something with xenial
[01:24] <Ben64> Launchpad PPA<EMAIL_ADDRESS>via canonical.com
[01:24] <Ben64> Rejected: Unable to identify 'ben64':<ben64@ben64> in launchpad
[01:25] <Ben64> yep, definitely got everything-goes-wrong-itus
[01:25] <TJ-> the email address doesn't match your ubuntu id
[01:25] <TJ-> (used on launchpad)
[01:25] <Ben64> i used the same address on both
[01:26] <Ben64> oh i need DEBEMAIL set : /
[01:30] <TJ-> hehehe... baptism of fire
[02:06] <Ben64> Launchpad PPA<EMAIL_ADDRESS>via canonical.com
[02:06] <Ben64> 6:04 PM (1 minute ago) to me  Accepted: OK: qemu_2.10+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa1.dsc
[02:06] <Ben64> everything's coming up milhouse
[02:06] <TJ-> finally...!
[02:07] <TJ-> 23:56:21        Ben64 | ooh, backportpackage seems fun
[02:07] <daftykins> that could be misinterpreted!
[02:07] <TJ-> so ... a little over 2 hours :)
[02:07] <TJ-> and now you have to wait for it to build
[02:09] <Ben64> :D
[02:09] <Ben64> dunno where it plans on getting the dependencies
[02:14] <TJ-> if it's backport it should fetch them from the later release
[02:14] <TJ-> i think that's the entire point of it
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:12] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:12] <EriC^^> whats up?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> chilling
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> and coffee :p
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> visiting friends later
[06:14] <EriC^^> cool
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what your upto?
[06:17] <EriC^^> just woke up
[06:28] <EriC^^> morning ducasse o/
[06:28] <ducasse> good morning :)
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:30] <ducasse> morning, lotus
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> 30min early to sync with my gf lol
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> thats new
[06:33] <ducasse> sync?
[06:37] <EriC^^> heh
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> you always wakeup same time as my gf ducasse
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> but not today
[06:45] <ducasse> oh, i've been up for an hour or so - my cat wants her breakfast served around 7 in the morning and wakes me up :)
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> morning Nokaji
[06:55] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: I completely agree :)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys
[07:45] <EriC^^> does anyone know if i can leave pancake paste over night in the refridgerator and use it the next day?
[07:45] <EriC^^> (it's actually crepe, so it has like 3 eggs)
[07:46] <EriC^^> seems ok on google, thanks anyways
[08:51] <Bashing-om> 'Nuff - a pause for that cause - Good Nite \o
[14:33] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:48] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw, ducasse, immu
[15:48] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[15:49] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[16:13] <immu> hey BluesKaj pauljw ducasse whats up
[16:14] <pauljw> hi immu, not much going on here.  how are you today?
[16:15] <immu> i am stressed because of my crazy neighbor, who keeps compailing about any nose we make outside our apartment
[16:18] <pauljw> heheh, this is why i live in the country.  closest neighbor is about 1/4 mile away.
[16:18] <immu> she called the cops and also complained to our real estate agency
[16:19] <daftykins> hmm well are you making a noise outside?
[16:51] <pauljw> wb
[16:53] <immu> daftykins, by noise means normal walking, talking and closing door, that crazy lady leave all alone, and plays tv whole day, you see her in person of how uncultured she is and a total douche bag
[17:01] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:01] <daftykins> EriC^^: \o
[17:01] <EriC^^> hey daftykins o/
[17:03] <pauljw> o/
[17:04] <immu> she wants pin drop silence, how can you achieve that?
[17:04] <immu> bitch
[17:04] <immu> brb
[17:04] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[17:04] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)
[17:04] <daftykins> TV headphones :D
[17:12] <Nokaji> can someone remind me the IRC command to query a channel, I'm trying to see nickserv? type info for when this channel was created etc
[17:13] <EriC^^> /chanserv info #channel
[17:14] <Nokaji> Ah, EriC^^ to the rescue again :)
[17:16] <EriC^^> :)
[17:17] <Nokaji> I'm guessing it must be server specific because I didn't spot 'CHANSERV' when doing a general "/help" command - not a biggie anyway, was just thinking this is a new channel
[17:45] <daftykins> correct
[17:48] <Nokaji> I've finally had the sense to google "chanserv commands"
[17:48] <Nokaji> that stuff works in other roomsbut not so much here
[17:49] <Nokaji> obviously some protection racket going on
[17:50] <Nokaji> or some black majicke afoot
[17:50] <EriC^^> it works here
[17:50] <EriC^^> says created 5 years ago
[17:51] <Nokaji> interesting ... I tried 2/3 other rooms .. maybe finger trouble then
[17:52] <EriC^^> maybe it's your client
[17:53] <Nokaji> my client is a little odd, it doesn't always show me all the rooms other people are in unless I'm in the same rooms as them
[17:54] <EriC^^> mine does the same, i think it's a freenode thing
[17:54] <EriC^^> btw it might be that /chanserv doesnt work but /msg chanserv works
[17:55] <Nokaji> I tried a few permutations, no joy in this room whatsoever but no problems elsewhere
[17:58] <daftykins> Nokaji: that's not the client, it's likely a user mode for privacy
[17:59] <Nokaji> daftykins: perhaps ... . and I use it too rarely to see ... but different clients have produced very differnet results from memory
[18:00] <BluesKaj> konversation client whois shows which chat's a nick is using
[18:00] <BluesKaj> don't think it's freenode
[18:01] <BluesKaj> err chats
[18:06] <daftykins> you might not see private chans too
[18:10] <Nokaji> using Hexchat here, formally pigeon & others
[18:10] <Nokaji> formerly *
[18:13] <immu> another hexchat user here
[18:33] <immu> why did everyone go silent,? all oke
[18:33] <daftykins> just been gaming
[18:34] <daftykins> https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsNlU9fvqb7thCqQLyDXRSXWIyTp
[18:34] <daftykins> https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsNlU9fvqb7thCtTNXLIsB8hvI56
[18:34] <daftykins> finally ticked that one off :>
[18:41] <pauljw> gaming...  you do the weirdest things with your computer... :D
[18:43] <daftykins> haha, that's the xbox one there
[18:43] <daftykins> these days they let you upload screenshots and recordings direct, brave times
[18:49] <immu> cool game daftykins? are you on Windows?
[18:49] <daftykins> i am, but i only use onedrive to get those videos from my xbox
[18:50] <immu> ahaa tell me more about it daftykins ?
[18:50] <immu> Windows ----- Onedrive ----Xbox?
[18:52] <daftykins> err well you have an xbox account, which is now known as a 'microsoft account' providing possibly 5GB free storage on their cloud service OneDrive, when you want to share screenshots or videos like the above, that's the service you upload them to so you can look at them on the PC or share them
[18:53] <immu> so you use xbox to record games video and upload them directly from the game to the onedrive cloud? and then use onedrive to share those videos here
[18:53] <daftykins> yep
[18:53] <daftykins> i could have also streamed my game live on twitch.tv
[18:53] <immu> i am not satisfied until i have a answer best to my understanding
[18:53] <immu> its a itch thing
[18:55] <daftykins> there are definitely a lot of services out there nowadays so it's easy to get buried under them all
[18:58] <immu> but Microsoft provides complete integration to do such stuff
[18:59] <daftykins> yeah, but they're not always the sensible choice
[18:59] <Nokaji> curioisty - it is what keeps us young
[18:59] <Nokaji> complacency killed the cat
[19:05] <pauljw> that's pretty cool daftykins, i didn't know that about xbox.
[19:06] <pauljw> my daughter wants a PlayStation, which she can have as soon as she gets a paying job and saves up for...
[19:07] <daftykins> oh dear, you'll quickly discover that they'll eat through your data then given the modern console wants to be online and updated, then games can be 50GB+ these days
[19:07] <daftykins> buying on disc isn't even of huge benefit as most of the time it installs and wants to download half that again in updates :)
[19:08] <immu> good reminder
[19:08] <pauljw> oh boy
[19:10] <immu> brb
[20:23] <Nokaji> I've found something incredibly off-topic
[20:24] <Nokaji> read the subtitles to see why this man was arrested (toggle 'c' on my computer) - https://youtu.be/kv5HN7V62hA?t=2056
[20:24] <Nokaji> 34m 24s ... read for 3 seconds


[00:40] <apachelogger> lo Xand3r_
[01:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, ScottK, do you know if qt mobility 1.2 is packaged?
[02:30] <ScottK> rbelem: qtmobility | 1.1.0-0ubuntu4 | oneiric/universe | source
[02:30] <ScottK> No.
[02:31] <ScottK> Actually Debian has it: qtmobility | 1.2.0~beta0+git3174-2 | sid    | source
[03:12] <rbelem> ScottK, hum... but it still in beta. the final was released some days ago
[03:13] <rbelem> ScottK, may i update this package?
[12:22] <bambee> hi ! :)
[13:01] <bambee> DarkwingDuck: Could you say me when you've done the oneiric banners ? I would be interested by a banner for my blog :)
[13:03] <bambee> however, take your time, there's no rush.
[17:32] <jefferai> hey, can anyone tell me how I might fix this problem with fonts: http://www.fotoshack.us/foto.php?id=46057fonts.png
[17:33] <jefferai> I only see this in the meego stuff, I don't see this in normal KDE programs
[17:47] <debfx> $ ls unstable/4.6.80/src | wc -l
[17:47] <debfx> 74
[17:47] <debfx> so many tarballs ...
[17:55] <apachelogger> time to revive the overlord scripts
[17:56] <debfx> what overlord scripts?
[17:58] <yofel> o/
[17:59] <yofel> yep, 74, but a few empty tars in there
[19:59] <ScottK> rbelem: Sure
[22:34] <sheytan> apachelogger ping pong bang
[22:44] <sheytan> http://imageshack.us/m/219/5492/phononpage2.png
[22:47] <bambee> sheytan: nice :)
[22:47] <sheytan> bambee thank you :)
[22:56] <sheytan> time to sleep, bye :)


[05:30] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[15:58] <TJ-> am I really here or has it been silent for the last 6 hours?
[16:00] <leftyfb> looks like 9. hours to me :)
[16:00] <PaulW2U> TJ-: I've been here since 11:04 (my time, UTC) and yes this channel has been silent ....
[16:01] <hggdh> not anymore ;-)
[16:01] <TJ-> thanks! I've had it where SASL wasn't working when the client connected and for registered channels it wasn't obvious they hadn't been joined - just looked rather quiet
[16:01] <TJ-> Shhhhhh you rowdy lot :P
[16:01] <TJ-> Some people are trying to sleep
[16:03] <TJ-> I'm exhausted just wrestling TLS certificate installation for libvirt. Only did it about 3 weeks ago and had to do it again today and couldn't remember how, where, or why!
[16:06] <tomreyn> "i'll only need to do this this one time for now, and next time it will work entirely different anyways, so let's not take notes"
[16:08] <TJ-> hehehe well yes I keep meaning to deploy a note-taking service but get stuck deciding in which one there are so many, then later I can't find my notes on which note-taking services I've considered
[16:11] <TJ-> Just been reading about the malacious hijacking of the npm coa library yesterday; Just cannot understand that dev-ops mentality that relies on just fetching/updating/deploying unvetted code in thay way. Apparently it broke a lot of React 'apps'
[16:11] <TJ-> if it hadn't it wouldn't have been noticed
[16:13] <tomreyn> apparently, some of what used to be considered fundamentals are no longer being taught at dev and sysop school these days.
[16:14] <tomreyn> "no time to learn this concept, need to ship product" :(
[16:14] <TJ-> infrastructure becoming much more fragile and accelerating
[16:14]  * TJ- nods
[16:15] <TJ-> all devs should have to spend 6 months writing assembler and C at a machine level - without a fundamental understanding of what is going on under the hood they're too darned dangerous to let out without training wheels and bubble-wrap
[16:16] <TJ-> 6 months working on security code too
[16:17] <TJ-> one of the projects I've been working on this last 18 months is a course for a UK modern apprenticeship that covers all this and more. Aiming to take on the 1st apprentices later next year
[16:25] <tomreyn> lovely, i'd send my kids if i had any. ;-)
[22:00] <cbreak> they have apprenticeships in the UK?
[22:00] <cbreak> neat
[22:00] <cbreak> I thought that was something that's not very popular outside switzerland


[01:16] <ch59> how do I make my screen brighter?
[18:45] <xubuntu78i> i need some help
[18:45] <xubuntu78i> currently installing xubuntu on a chromebook
[18:45] <diogenes_> !ask
[18:45] <xubuntu78i> the trackpad only works if i use it with my thumb sideways
[18:45] <xubuntu78i> doesn't happen with ubuntu or lubuntu
[18:46] <xubuntu78i> is this a driver issue?
[18:47] <diogenes_> try xserver-xorg-input-synaptics.
[18:47] <xubuntu78i> wdym by that?
[18:47] <xubuntu78i> install it?
[18:47] <diogenes_> sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics.
[18:47] <diogenes_> and reboot.
[18:47] <xubuntu78i> i'm currently in the installer
[18:48] <xubuntu78i> still do it?
[18:48] <diogenes_> then after it's installed.
[18:49] <xubuntu78i> already installed and at latest version
[18:49] <xubuntu78i> and yes, i did apt update
[18:50] <xubuntu78i> another thing about the installer
[18:50] <xubuntu78i> it just hangs on making the ext4 partition
[18:50] <xubuntu78i> its been making it for like 10 mins now
[18:53] <xubuntu78i> should i just use lubuntu?
[18:56] <xubuntu78i> yeah ill switch over
[18:56] <xubuntu78i> cya
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> ok so this works on normal Ubuntu, but I can't watch HDCP content in firefox on xubuntu even after enabling DRM
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> do I need google chrome?
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> screw it I will install it and try
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> yeah it isnt working in chrome what gives?
[23:14] <well_laid_lawn> xxubuntuu and ubuntu have the same repos for packages like firefox
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> how come hdcp content isn't working
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> it's kind of a big deal
[23:16] <well_laid_lawn> it's the same firefox in all 'buntus so it must be a config
[23:16] <well_laid_lawn> check your settings again
[23:17] <rabbitnightmare> I did it is enabled
[23:17] <rabbitnightmare> just spits out the error on spectrom.net telling me to update things which they are all up to date
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare> We're sorry, we're unable to play this title on your device. Please try the following steps to troubleshoot:
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare>     Install the latest version of Chrome, Edge, Firefox or Safari.
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare>     Update your device's operating system.
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare>     If using Microsoft Edge, visit microsoft.com/edge for the latest update.
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare>     Ensure your equipment is HDCP-compliant, including cables, monitors and drivers.
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare>     Disable any VPN or proxy servers.
[23:18] <rabbitnightmare>     Check your internet connection and restart your device.
[23:18] <well_laid_lawn> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm


[19:29] <douglasawh> any questions about Linux in Africa during the presentation_
[19:29] <douglasawh> meh, keyboard back to Swedish there for some reason...probably KDE in GNOME
[19:43] <douglasawh> ok, we moved on to emacs
[19:43] <douglasawh> we're videoing, so you'll see responses later if you want


[00:32] <CppIsWeird> how do i install a dom0 kernel?
[00:33] <jpds> Xen isn't supported on Ubuntu.
[00:34] <CppIsWeird> ok. well, i want a dom0 kernel on a ubuntu-server machine. how do i accomplish this?
[01:12] <b14ck> Hey all. I've got a ubuntu-server 8.04 box here. I'm trying to upgrade to 10.04. Is there an easy way to do this? I've already done: `aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade;`
[01:12] <b14ck> But now it is saying there are no new updates available.
[01:12] <b14ck> I really need to upgrade because I need access to python 2.6.x, whereas the current version I have is 2.5.x
[01:12] <b14ck> Any help would be appreciated :)
[01:14] <b14ck> actually, i think i may have figured it out
[02:11] <qman__> b14ck, dist-upgrade is not a release upgrade, it simply installs all the updates even if it has to add new packages
[02:11] <qman__> if you want to upgrade to lucid, you need to run `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[02:25] <Carleas> Is there a way to test key authentication before disabling password login?
[02:25] <Carleas> I want to lock down my server so it only accepts ssh logins from keys, but I don't want to lock myself out if I've set things up incorrectly.
[02:28] <pmatulis> Carleas: of course, just log in.  key auth. occurs before passwd auth
[02:28] <CppIsWeird> how do you execute two commands consecutively in one line on bash?
[02:29] <pmatulis> Carleas: but if you're worried, just keep another session open
[02:29] <pmatulis> CppIsWeird: separate them with a semicolon
[02:29] <qman__> if the second command depends upon the first, use &&
[02:30] <CppIsWeird> pmatulis, perfect, thanks. :-)
[02:30] <Carleas> Thanks, pmatulis. I feel a little silly.
[02:31] <Carleas> Is using key authentication sufficient protection?  I've seen suggestions to change the port to something other than 22, is that necessary in addition?
[02:32] <qman__> changing your port will only reduce your exposure, at the cost of the annoyance of having to specify the port every time you connect
[02:32] <qman__> I wouldn't bother with that
[02:32] <CppIsWeird> i seem to be getting a strange scrolling sideways output when i watch tail /alogfile
[02:53] <pmatulis> Carleas: you can do that to get off the radar of 95% of the simple scripts people use for dictionary attacks
[02:54] <pmatulis> Carleas: those kind of attacks won't work if you're using key auth. but your logs won't fill up needlessly
[02:54] <pmatulis> Carleas: also, your client config can be altered to use the non-standard port so it's not an annoyance
[02:56] <pmatulis> Carleas: specifying protocol 2 is also highly recommended but i believe that is the default these days (used to accept both 1 and 2)
[02:56] <CppIsWeird> im trying to use the 'watch' command with a file that displays improperly with its non printing characters removed. in the manual watch says use cat -v in the commands pipeline. i've tried this every way i know how and either it still displays strange or it gets hung up.
[03:51] <jessezylstra> Hello. I run a server that had a problem after the upgrade to 10.04. I have no desktop enviroment, I am running Ubuntu Server, and when I go to the server everything is duplicated three times on the screen, tiny, blurry, and stretched-looking because, for some reason, the resolution changed. My monitor only supports 640xWhateveritis, and it is running at something higher. How do I fix this?
[04:33] <SpamapS> jessezylstra: you may need to add a boot argument to reduce the resolution
[04:34] <SpamapS> jessezylstra: try adding 'vga=785', do you know how to edit your grub command line?
[04:43] <Geekman> Hey, I found a command a while back (few months I think) which recursively listed the permissions of all files and folders in a directory, which I could then direct to a file.  Then I could use a similar command to take that file and use it to restore the permissions.  I completely forget what commands they were, but I think I needed to install an additional package.  Can anyone think of what it might be that I'm thinking of?
[04:49] <ccheney> kirkland, how do i determine the set of packages that uec normally installs to have pxe install as well?
[04:49] <ccheney> kirkland, i set it to 'minimal' but that seems obviously wrong
[04:50] <ccheney> kirkland, ah i see its in tasksel, i suppose i can select multiple of those
[04:50] <ccheney> hrmm
[04:50]  * ccheney thinks the uec.py should be doing that already
[04:51] <ccheney> eucalyptus-udeb eucalyptus/install-mode multiselect cloud, walrus, cluster, storage  should do that i think
[04:52] <ccheney> maybe i need to trigger  eucalyptus-udeb to be installed better than it is currently
[04:53] <ccheney> seems to only be setting it up if you have localdeb set, which seems incorrect
[04:53]  * ccheney wonders what exactly localdeb means
[05:08] <jessezylstra> SpamapS: I hope you are still here. No, I do not know how to edit my grub command line
[05:08] <jessezylstra> SpamapS: is it possible to do so through SSH?
[05:12] <twb> jessezylstra: only if the machine is already booted and runs an ssh server
[05:22] <jessezylstra> twb: that is the case
[05:22] <jessezylstra> sorry for my delays, I am not seeing the window flash in the taskbar
[05:22] <twb> jessezylstra: grub2 or legacy?
[05:23] <jessezylstra> twb: I honestly do not know.
[05:25] <twb> Find out
[05:26] <jessezylstra> twb: how do I do that?
[05:26] <twb> Do you have an /etc/default/grub*?
[05:26] <jessezylstra> Negative.
[05:28] <jessezylstra> twb: and just to be sure, I double checked!
[05:28] <twb> Do you have /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[05:28] <jessezylstra> twb: Yes.
[05:29] <twb> Edit that
[05:29] <twb> There'll be a #kopt line (i.e. commented out).  Edit it, then run "update-grub" to make it take effect in the uncommented portions.
[05:30] <jessezylstra> Uncomment # kopt=root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu-root ro
[05:31] <twb> No.
[05:45] <menthurae> hello there :) i'm looking for some kind soul to please help me try to get my RAID5 array back up and running via mdadm
[05:46] <menthurae> i've exhausted my fairly limited knowledge and from all the information i can gather i can't figure out why it isn't rebuilding ^_^
[05:53] <twb> menthurae: what are the symptoms?
[08:00] <electrofreak> I have / on a RAID1... and it happens to be resyncing right now... will the boot process wait for that to finish before booting?
[08:00] <electrofreak> otherwise... I dunno what is wrong with my server
[08:00] <electrofreak> RAID1 is md-raid
[08:01] <qman__> no, syncing is an operation that can be done post-boot
[08:01] <twb> md array resyncing is done in a background kernel thread.
[08:01] <electrofreak> that's what I thought
[08:02] <twb> If you reboot, it'll start again from scratch unless you have those bitmap thingies
[08:02] <electrofreak> oh hi twb
[08:02] <electrofreak> bitmap thingies?
[08:02] <twb> Some optional md thing that allows it to remember what bits are synced
[08:03] <electrofreak> but it shouldn't hold up the boot process?
[08:03] <twb> I don't know much about it, I just heard it mentioned in a LUG
[08:03] <qman__> no, it should not affect the boot process
[08:03] <twb> electrofreak: it won't hold the boot process; it might make it SLIGHTLY slower
[08:03] <qman__> except for maybe slightly reduced disk performance
[08:03] <electrofreak> then.... I need to figure out why my server wont boot
[08:04] <electrofreak> I let it go for like 10 minutes....
[08:04] <electrofreak> finally hit ctrl-alt-del and it shut some crap down, and rebooted....
[08:04] <qman__> that's not very long
[08:04] <qman__> longer than it should be taking, but still not very long
[08:04] <qman__> it might be fscking a big partition
[08:05] <electrofreak> same thing... it's literally just sitting here
[08:05] <electrofreak> monitor has nothing interesting on it.... some ureadahead-other error... which I googled and is apparently be9
[08:06] <electrofreak> I went in with a livecd... saw that my array was rsyncing...
[08:06] <electrofreak> and was able to mount it and poke around.... but none of the logs are showing anything from the boot process
[08:07] <electrofreak> so now, I'm sitting here waiting for it to boot again
[08:07] <qman__> did you press escape?
[08:07] <electrofreak> qman__: just did....
[08:07] <electrofreak> intersting..... now it's booting
[08:07] <qman__> that's a new "feature"
[08:07] <electrofreak> what did I press escape to?
[08:07] <electrofreak> lol
[08:07] <qman__> unhides the important boot information
[08:08] <electrofreak> I have to be honest.... usually my server is headless.... i'd rather not have to deal with such "features"
[08:08] <qman__> I agree wholeheartedly
[08:08] <electrofreak> is it likely stopping for that ureadahead message?
[08:09] <electrofreak> because, it seems like I should get to the bottom of that if that's the case.
[08:09] <qman__> well, I'd have to see the whole thing to know
[08:10] <electrofreak> there was also a message about md0 being clean
[08:10] <electrofreak> and a fsck version print above that
[08:10] <electrofreak> that's it.
[08:10] <qman__> what size are your partitions
[08:11] <electrofreak> eh, like ~150GB
[08:11] <electrofreak> two 160GB drives...
[08:11] <qman__> probably fscking then
[08:11] <electrofreak> swap array and / array
[08:11] <qman__> give it more time
[08:11] <electrofreak> now this splash screen is going forever.
[08:11] <electrofreak> qman__: it said it was clean?
[08:12] <electrofreak> and now I see no disk IO
[08:12] <qman__> ok, then that's not it
[08:12] <qman__> you would see disk I/O
[08:12] <qman__> but you probably wouldn't see the fsck progress
[08:12] <qman__> another side effect of the new "feature"
[08:12] <electrofreak> yea, I did until I presume it finished resyncing
[08:14] <electrofreak> gosh, there is no output at all.... this splashscreen sucks
[08:14] <qman__> it has certainly caused me plenty of headaches
[08:15] <qman__> my file server has a > 5TB array on it
[08:15] <qman__> I can no longer monitor fsck progress on boot
[08:15] <electrofreak> ...I might know the problem... altho really it shouldn't hold up the boot process....
[08:15] <qman__> I just have to wait 4 hours to see if it finishes or crashed
[08:15] <electrofreak> I turned off my large ass RAID5 to help troubleshoot this crap...
[08:15] <electrofreak> and that mounts...
[08:15] <qman__> turned off?
[08:15] <electrofreak> I should make it noauto
[08:16] <electrofreak> (pulled the drives)
[08:16] <qman__> that would do it
[08:16] <qman__> especially if it mounts to an important location
[08:16] <electrofreak> maybe.... I just restarted and I'm waiting again...
[08:17] <electrofreak> darn it....
[08:18] <electrofreak> theres no disk IO now.... with the RAID5 on...
[08:19] <electrofreak> this is really frustrating that there is no output...
[08:23] <electrofreak> how do I grab the grub menu?
[08:24] <electrofreak> there is no message like there used to be
[08:35] <qman__> I think you have to press shift or something
[08:35] <qman__> I don't know, I don't like grub2 at all either
[08:49] <Jordan_U> electrofreak: Hold shift during boot to see the grub menu (Ubuntu hides it by default).
[08:52] <electrofreak> qman__: figured out the problem... had yet another thing in fstab that was mounting that really shouldn't. I've learned my lesson... it wont happen again :-(
[08:52] <electrofreak> qman__: if you're still up (almost 4am here)... good night.
[08:58] <qman__> same time here, glad you got it sorted
[11:08] <cemc> have a hardy server install. how do I upgrade directly to lucid from command line? just a test upgrade
[11:08] <jpds> sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:09] <Jordan_U> cemc: By "test upgrade" are you referring to the --sandbox mode of do-release-upgrade?
[11:09] <tydeas> Hello i got (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (Connection refused) on the Xorg log.
[11:09] <tydeas> What can i do for this .. What it is ?
[11:10] <cemc> Jordan_U: no, I'm in a chroot'ed hardy, and I'm upgrading to see what happens, it's just a discardable test ;)
[11:10] <jpds> tydeas: You can ignore that warning.
[11:10] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | cemc
[11:11] <tydeas> jpds: xorg does not start at all
[11:11] <tydeas> i mean gdm
[11:11] <Jordan_U> cemc: I'm not sure if upgrading in a chroot will work though because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430224
[11:11] <cemc> Jordan_U: I see
[11:12] <jpds> tydeas: bug #496859 is where I remember being said that that warning should be ignored
[11:17] <tydeas> jpds: thanks will try fedora patch
[11:18] <tydeas> but how can i really use this patch to fix my issue?
[11:28] <tydeas> nice
[11:36] <tydeas> how can i really fix this issue?
[11:36] <tydeas> jpds: ?
[11:36] <jpds> I don't know, I don't think that's what's causing X not to start though.
[11:37] <tydeas> how can i check why xorg does not start?
[11:38] <tydeas> other ideas?
[11:38] <jpds> Is this a headless system?
[11:39] <tydeas> no i have screen
[11:39] <tydeas> if this is what oyu mena
[11:39] <tydeas> *you mean
[11:41] <tydeas> jpds: ?
[11:41] <tydeas> what do you mean with `headless` ?
[12:24] <peugi> hi, can somebody help me with ip address alias problems?
[12:24] <peugi> it's driving me crazy ...
[12:24] <peugi> I have vmware host running centos where the ip alias works fine, but in the ubuntu guest I can't get it to work
[12:25] <peugi> I tried some wireshark sniffing and the packets are getting through, but the ubuntu vm is not responding to them
[12:43] <joschi> peugi: have you configured the interface in your ubunt uvm?
[12:43] <joschi> *ubuntu vm
[12:45] <peugi>  yes I have
[12:45] <peugi> do you want to see my interfaces and routes?
[12:50] <joschi> peugi: and the interface has been brought up? `ifconfig $IFACE up` or `ip link set $IFACE up`
[12:51] <peugi> yes
[12:51] <peugi> actually I just got a message from the ISP: Sorry fro the delay, there is an issue with binding secondary VLAN ranges to a virtual server that only a few seasoned technicians are familiar with. The short answer is that from our default configuration the secondary subnets can only be used as additional IP addresses on 2nd generation virtual servers, but they can not be used as primary IP addresses.
[12:52] <peugi> i'm running vmware 1
[12:52] <peugi> http://sites.google.com/site/zenarstudio/home/kb/vmware-esxi-vlan-integration
[12:58] <peugi> joshi: can you make sense of it?
[13:06] <joschi> peugi: sorry, I'm no networking expert.
[13:10] <peugi> thanks for your help either way :)
[13:10] <peugi> I think I'm going to upgrade to ESXi from Server 1.x
[14:20] <ccheney> hallyn, scrum?
[14:20] <andreserl> jjohansen-afk, by any chance do you know where can I find a cn_idx for a kernel module?
[14:24] <simulacrum> Why on the download page for Ubuntu Server http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download there is no link to a .torrent alternative way of downloading; this is bad for data integrity because downloading a 700 MB .iso file will in some cases determine data corruption, and Step 2 should also mention how to verify the iso with md5sum hash or sha256
[14:32] <sommer> morning all
[14:41] <jmitchell> how can I reseal a VM. I would like to create VM templates of my newly installed lucid OS.
[14:43] <hallyn> ccheney: hm, should i be able to debootstrap a lucid image from a debian install?  (then install kernel and update-grub)?  Shoudl work just fine right?  I've never done it to make a full bootable system.
[14:44] <ccheney> uh, if you have the ubuntu version of debootstrap probably
[14:44] <ccheney> i don't know if the debian version knows about ubuntu releases
[14:45] <ccheney> it should be easy to see though when you look at the files in the debootstrap package
[14:45] <hallyn> well seems worth a shot to save my bandwidth
[14:45]  * hallyn tries it out
[14:50] <bogeyd6--> Is it possible to have two network interfaces on a box with the same subnet, different gateways, and not bonded?
[14:52] <joschi> bogeyd6--: I don't think so. how would any program decide which interface to use?
[14:53] <bogeyd6--> joschi, good point. being the mail server i dont neccessarily care because the two external IPS are better
[15:21] <BeeBuu> i can't ssh in the system which running in my cloud, please help me.
[15:23] <Todd> It's in a cloud.
[15:26] <bogeyd6--> And.... /question
[15:26] <BeeBuu> Todd,yes it's can you help me please?
[15:27] <Todd> No I'm sorry. I was being rude.  Apologies.
[15:27] <Todd> I would help, but I'm busy at work.
[15:27] <bogeyd6--> BeeBuu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[15:27] <bogeyd6--> cloud == vmware DRS/VMOTION
[15:27] <Todd> Anytime 'cloud' is mentioned in a meeting someone always snickers.
[15:27] <BeeBuu> bogeyd6--: let me see.....thanks
[15:28] <BeeBuu> bogeyd6--:  i had checked that before, but ~~~
[15:29] <bogeyd6--> well unforutnately, right now, that and google is about all you got
[15:30] <BeeBuu> bogeyd6--: i did. but so less~~~
[15:30] <bogeyd6--> i suggest running through the steps again BeeBuu  just to make sure you did it right
[15:30] <bogeyd6--> what does ~~~ mean?
[15:32] <BeeBuu> bogeyd6--: i think maybe you are right
[15:34] <BeeBuu> can i install the UEC in machines with single netcard ?
[15:55] <Carleas> If I require a key to login, installing fail2ban is pointless, right?  The key requirement will break dictionary attacks?
[15:56] <jmitchell> Carleas, why would you want a box continually trying to log in if it's not supposed to be doing that
[15:57] <jmitchell> if fail2ban or denyhosts blocks the host then it can't bother the system anymore
[15:57] <jmitchell> denyhosts is my fave, works well
[15:57] <jmitchell> and you can subscribe to black lists
[15:58] <Carleas> So it will only serve to reduce traffic or processing?
[15:58] <jmitchell> well, it's such a small amount of traffic and work that's being done
[15:58] <jmitchell> but yes, it will save a small amount of traffic
[15:59] <jmitchell> we're talking very small amounts
[15:59] <jmitchell> the amount of traffic would only be a problem for a dialup user, that small...
[15:59] <jmitchell> if that much
[16:00] <jmitchell> make sure u know how denyhosts and fail2ban work though, don't go and lock u'rself out of the box now... i have done that before ;)
[16:00] <klaas> what is the fastest filesystem to run ontop of a software raid5 if I mainly have big files (100mb+) -- its a backup server
[16:00] <jmitchell> take a look at jfs
[16:01] <klaas> filesystem totals around 13tb
[16:01] <jmitchell> there are lots of blog posts about it though
[16:01] <jmitchell> make sure it's a stable fs though
[16:01] <jmitchell> that's lotsa data to lose
[16:01] <jmitchell> ext3 as always served me well
[16:01] <klaas> I was looking at btrfs - any experiences with that yet? not sure if its ready for productive use
[16:02] <jmitchell> nothing betters ext3 for recovery though, it's saved my ass plenty
[16:02] <jmitchell> butterfs is cool
[16:02] <jmitchell> don't know much about it though
[16:02] <jmitchell> it's been slashdotted quite a bit in the past
[16:02] <klaas> I was looking for a compromise between speed and reliablity :)
[16:03] <jmitchell> all i can suggest is that with 13tb of data, make sure u get it right ;)
[16:03] <klaas> its just the first round of backup so data loss would suck but it wouldn't kill me :)
[16:03] <jmitchell> what you can do, is formate it with each and benchmark it before you migrate the data, that might give you the answers u'r looking for
[16:04] <klaas> true but I was trying to walk the lazy way:)
[16:04] <jmitchell> klass, then it's googlewalking for u mate :D
[16:05] <jmitchell> i get better answers from this # in the evenings
[16:05] <DrPoo> how can I change the location of the apt repositories through command line?
[16:05] <jmitchell> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:06] <DrPoo> jmitchell, is there a way to find the lowest ping server automagically, as with the gui?
[16:06] <jmitchell> i think it does that in the install, but i have never found a way to rerun that part of the setup after the install
[16:07] <DrPoo> dpkg-reconfigure ??
[16:07] <jmitchell> you can grab a list of mirrors on the ubuntu.com site and ping each...
[16:07] <jmitchell> that's for reconfiguring a package
[16:07] <qman__> pretty sure ext3 can't go that big
[16:07] <jmitchell> like dpkg-reconfigure postfix would run the postfix tui
[16:07] <qman__> so you'll have to look into something else
[16:08] <jmitchell> and ext4 is soooo new
[16:08] <qman__> the only advice I can give there is, don't use XFS is you don't have a super stable system on a UPS
[16:08] <qman__> I've suffered total loss more than once with XFS
[16:08] <jmitchell> yeah, xfs is not good for recovering, trudat
[16:09] <jmitchell> ext3 for recovering is awesome
[16:09] <qman__> yeah, but it can't get that big
[16:09] <pmatulis> DrPoo: http://tinyurl.com/2w42hva
[16:09] <qman__> pretty sure it maxes at 8TB
[16:09] <qman__> you'd need two filesystems
[16:09] <qman__> and LVM
[16:09] <jmitchell> qman, what size can ext4 do?
[16:10] <qman__> I use ext3 on my big file server too, never let me down
[16:10] <qman__> but mine's only ~5TB
[16:10] <qman__> ext4 maxes at 1EB
[16:11] <qman__> that is, approximately one million terabytes
[16:11] <jmitchell> ahh, qman__ if you up the block size then it can go up to 32TB
[16:11] <jmitchell> the block size must then be 8k
[16:12] <qman__> yeah, but I think there was something else preventing me from using block sizes greater than 4k
[16:12] <qman__> I don't remember what, specifically though
[16:12] <jmitchell> shweet, so when i outgrow my 1.3tb volume and it's time for the 20tb volume, i can move to ext4
[16:12] <qman__> and it wasn't a performance thing
[16:12] <jmitchell> i'm sure it will be ready then
[16:12] <jmitchell> qman, on 4k blocks u can do 16tb
[16:13] <qman__> ah
[16:13] <jmitchell> so u'r sorted ;)
[16:13] <qman__> guess that array was bigger than I remembered
[16:13] <qman__> then 13TB would be fine
[16:13] <qman__> and ext3 is definitely my recommendation for reliability
[16:13] <jmitchell> yeah, but only if he gets the blocks right before
[16:13] <jmitchell> no moving to bigger block size after
[16:13] <qman__> that's with 4k
[16:13] <jmitchell> not that i know a way of
[16:13] <qman__> so no problems
[16:14] <jmitchell> shweet
[16:14] <qman__> ah, this was it
[16:14] <jmitchell> qman__, do you also remove the journal and then increase volume size?
[16:14] <qman__> In Linux, 8 KB block size is only available on architectures which allow 8 KB pages, such as Alpha.
[16:14] <qman__> can't do 8k blocks on x86 with linux
[16:15] <jmitchell> oh, ok then it's 4k for us, but 16tb is quite shweet none the less
[16:15] <qman__> no, I leave journaling on
[16:15] <qman__> pretty much defaults
[16:15] <qman__> it's a good tradeoff
[16:15] <jmitchell> hmm, what procedure do u use to increase the volume size then when you add raid capacity?
[16:15] <qman__> still performs better than the atrocious NTFS, and it's a lot more reliable
[16:16] <jmitchell> ntfs is poo, i agree
[16:16] <qman__> I did a simple ext3 grow
[16:16] <jmitchell> hmm
[16:16] <qman__> forget exactly what command, I only did that once
[16:16] <jmitchell> have not had to do this in ages so can't remember how i did mine
[16:16] <jmitchell> had to remove the journal though
[16:16] <qman__> but I didn't have LVM either
[16:16] <jmitchell> how retarded was i
[16:16] <qman__> just ext3 on an md
[16:16] <jmitchell> same here
[16:16] <jmitchell> hmmm
[16:16] <jmitchell> i have reading to do
[16:17] <qman__> shrinking is far more complicated, but growing is a fairly simple operation
[16:17] <jmitchell> i wonder what i missed then
[16:18] <qman__> I don't remember exactly what I did, it was a while back
[16:18] <qman__> but gparted includes that functionality in it as well
[16:19] <jmitchell> woohoo, it's 5:15, i coulda left 15min ago ;)
[16:19] <jmitchell> later!
[16:19] <qman__> hah
[16:19] <jmitchell> thanks for the chat, it was most interesting :P
[16:19] <jmitchell> goodluck DrPoo!
[16:20] <astroboy> What's the easiest way to set up a email-forwarding system for my domain? Do I have to set up a mailserver or can I avoid it? I just want to forward all the emails to another address
[16:20] <DrPoo> qman__, have u had experience in setting up an OCFS2 array?
[16:35] <EtienneG> coffeedude, hey there!  If I am not mistaken, you're the one looking after Likewise Open, correct?
[16:36] <jjohansen> SpamapS: do you have any links for KSLM besides the lp project, which doesn't have anything in it atm
[16:41] <coffeedude> EtienneG, Mostly.  Actually have handed off to another dev here at Likewise recently.  What's up?
[16:41]  * coffeedude hides.....
[16:42] <EtienneG> coffeedude, come on, it's going to be an easy one!
[16:43] <EtienneG> coffeedude, regarding upgrading from karmic to lucid; I understand going from lw 4.x to 5.x requires some manual steps
[16:43] <EtienneG> as the way the configuraiton is handled have changed
[16:44] <coffeedude> EtienneG, The upgrade is handled as part of the deb install.  But you probably want to look at the likewise-open-test PPA
[16:44] <EtienneG> coffeedude, it has been suggested to me that removing /var/lib/likewise-open/db/registry.db, and re-importing the registry files in /etc/likewise would be enought
[16:44] <coffeedude> EtienneG, and yes, 5.4 is very different from 4.x
[16:44] <EtienneG> coffeedude, yes, that I know
[16:45] <coffeedude> Removing registry.db will wipe the current state and you will have to rejoin.
[16:45] <EtienneG> coffeedude, I will have a look at the PPA.  I was under the impression that upgrading from 4 in karmic to 5 in lucid was not supported, but if you say it is, then great!
[16:47] <EtienneG> coffeedude, thanks for the info.  i will test a bit, and come back with questions I might have.  who is looking after the Ubuntu packages at Likewise now?
[16:48] <coffeedude> EtienneG,  I'm handing off to Scott Salley here (hopefully).  But i'll still be involved.  Just feel bad about not getting the SRU done yet.
[16:49] <raywang> hello, does anyone try to install a 64bit guest on a 32bit host in KVM?
[16:49] <EtienneG> coffeedude, no worry, I wasn't even aware there is an SRU in the pipeline!
[16:51] <raywang> well, nobody install a 64bit VM on 32bit operating system? :)
[16:57] <raywang> hello? anyone is familiar with virtualization? I appreciate a lot. :)
[17:02] <oru_work> how can i archive a directory with all the contents with tar ?
[17:03] <raywang> oru_work, doesn't 'tar cjf  filename.tar.bz2 directory' help?
[17:04] <oru_work> raywang, yeah i was doing tar czfv
[17:10] <raywang> oru_work, i was wonder are you concerned about those hidden files?
[17:10] <raywang> oru_work, after a quick googling, hope this can help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-tar-dot-files-354591/
[17:19] <RoyK> rapha: if you just give the directoyr name, it'll take it all, if you say dirname/* hidden files will be lost
[17:29] <oru_work> how can I really make sure that php errors are logged ?
[17:29] <rapha> RoyK: sure you mean me?
[17:30] <RoyK> rapha: no, autocomplete led me to you, since mr/ms/mrs raywang left befour I could answer - sorry about that :)
[17:31] <RoyK> oru_work: php.ini is your friend
[17:31] <RoyK> oru_work: usually under /etc/php/apache(something
[17:36] <jjohansen> andreserl: I'm not sure I follow what your asking?  Do you want to know where to find the connector constants for a given module? (include/linux/connector.h)
[17:37] <andreserl> jjohansen, yep that's what I wanted, and I already have it. Thanks though :)
[17:37] <RudyValencia> Hm, I want to offer some basic Web hosting services to a select few friends. Is there a good (and free) cPanel equivalent that won't mangle my server's configuration up too much?
[17:37] <jjohansen> cp, sorry for latency
[17:40] <simulacrum> RudyValencia: http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels http://www.vhcs.net/index.html http://lordmatt.co.uk/item/966/
[17:40] <simulacrum> RudyValencia: You may also have a look at http://www.ebox-platform.com/
[17:45] <RudyValencia> whoa
[17:45] <RudyValencia> the demo of VHCS has no language strings :o
[17:49] <RudyValencia> I think I'll use the successor to VHCS - ispCP
[17:50] <andreserl> jjohansen, btw.. I have one quick question and you might be the one that can help me. DRBD starting from 2.6.33 is in mainline kernel... I just installed maverick server and couldn't find any drbd module. Does this mean that the module is not being compiled with the kernel shipped in maverick?
[17:51] <RudyValencia> Eh, perhaps a subdomain based on the user's Linux username would be easier to handle.
[17:53] <jjohansen> andreserl: currently it isn't
[17:53] <andreserl> jjohansen, will it be?
[17:53] <jjohansen> maybe, need to check why it isn't being compiled
[17:53] <jjohansen> it may just be an oversight/missed config
[17:54] <andreserl> jjohansen, ok, cool, because current package uses DKMS, but since now the module is included in the kernel, I'd think is best to use that module and drop DKMS
[17:56] <jjohansen> andreserl: yes, and that is probably how it got missed, I'll submit a patch for Maverick
[17:56] <andreserl> jjohansen, awesome thanks :)
[18:13] <Absorto> hello! well, there was a terrible accident and /etc/apache2 was deleted :(
[18:14] <elb0w> I cant ssh in to my box
[18:14] <elb0w> but it says its running
[18:14] <Absorto> so I then apt-get remove apache2 and then apt-get install apache2 and /etc/apache2 was created, but without envvars and apache2.conf!
[18:14] <elb0w> what can it be?
[18:15] <Absorto> elb0w: is the port listening? can you telnet to port 22?
[18:17] <SpamapS> jjohansen-afk: sorry KSLM seems to be in its nascent conceptual phases. Cole has the concept altogether, but I don't think he's near implementation yet.
[18:17] <elb0w> oh nvm he is getting denied private key
[18:17] <elb0w> publickey*
[18:18] <elb0w> Where do the logs go for that
[18:18] <oru_work> in ubuntu /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i have error_reporting = E_ALL , so now where can i look for php error logs ?
[18:25] <jjohansen> SpamapS: okay thanks
[18:27] <boran_blok> Hi
[18:27] <boran_blok> Is this the right place to ask for info about smbd ?
[18:33] <oru_work> i made a file called test.php with <?php aksjdha(); and when i point my browser to mysite.com/test.php all I see is a blank page and no error, is this normal ?
[18:34] <patdk-wk> for security reasons, yes :)
[18:37] <oru_work> patdk-wk, /var/log/apache2/error.log doesn't show any php related error, when is the php error file ?
[18:37] <oru_work> where*
[18:38] <oru_work> patdk-wk, ^^
[18:39] <patdk-wk> dunno
[18:39] <patdk-wk> if your using mod_php I would think error.log
[18:39] <patdk-wk> unless you overrode it in the php.ini file
[18:39] <patdk-wk> but then, I don't use apache, so
[18:40] <SpamapS> oru_work: check /var/log/syslog too
[18:47] <Absorto> heh! apt-get purge <everything apache related> and then reinstalling did it! many thanks
[18:48] <oru_work> SpamapS, nope not there
[18:51] <orudie> in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i hhave display_errors = On , where else can I check ?
[18:56] <orudie> in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i have error_reporting = E_ALL but not seeing any php errors in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[18:57] <_ruben> did you restart apache after making the config change?
[18:59] <kusznir> Hi all: how do I change my software source on a ubuntu-server install without X (command line only)?  I want to select one of the specific mirrors listed in the software source selector tool in the gui.
[18:59] <kusznir> (currently its using us.archive.ubuntu.com, which is WAY slower than the mirror sitting on the same gigabit interface: ubuntu.eecs.wsu.edu :)
[18:59] <_ruben> kusznir: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:00] <kusznir> Umm...there are a TON of lines there...I tried to do a global replace, and my apt didn't work afterward.
[19:00] <kusznir> Is there a tool that I can run that will just select that mirror, or do I have to replace specific lines of that file?  (and if so, how do I know which lines to change and which to leave the same, etc?)
[19:01] <_ruben> doing a find and replace on us.archive.ubuntu.com to ubuntu.eecs.wsu.edu should work just fine, unless the later doesn't have a working/proper mirror setup
[19:02] <kusznir> Ok, it seems tob e working that time,t hanks!
[19:19] <talcite> hey guys. is it normal for a 2 year old, 12 disk linux soft Raid 6 device to only achieve 26mb/s on rebuild?
[19:19] <talcite> it seems pretty slow since each disk should be able to put out at least 50 mb/s
[19:22] <patdk-wk> how so?
[19:23] <patdk-wk> the disks have nothing to do with it, for the most part
[19:23] <patdk-wk> what is the stripe size?
[19:23] <patdk-wk> what happens, is it has to read the data off of 11 disks, calculate what should be on the new disk, and write it to the new disk
[19:24] <patdk-wk> normally it's the cpu or pci bus that limits speed
[19:24] <patdk-wk> if the drives are connected using a pci bus, that is 100mb/s max
[19:25] <patdk-wk> so a write speed of 8mb/s
[19:25] <orudie> can anyone help me with a command to grep for error_reporting on my entire /etc/apache directory?
[19:25] <patdk-wk> if you can maxout pcix, that would be 32mb/s
[19:46] <kusznir> I'm trying to set up a cups print server.  I've installed cups and an assortment of cups-related packages on an otherwise bare 10.04 server install.  I'm trying to manage it remotely.  I've edited the one line in cupsd.conf for Listen to set it to *:631.  I can now connect from my management workstation (http://<hostname>:631), but all I get is 403: forbidden.
[19:47] <kusznir> The cups log doesn't give any information about it (in fact, it normally doesn't even log anything for my connect attempts in this way).  I enabled debug mode, and only got "normal-looking" output; nothing remotely like an error/problem.
[19:48] <kusznir> Suggestions?
[19:49] <zul> damn you php...damn you
[19:50] <kusznir> ahh..by default, all the allow,deny lines only allow for localhost...strange default.
[19:50] <ivoks_> damn you lenovo, damn you
[19:51] <kusznir> Its also strange that it doesn't log anything about the cause or even that a request was denied.
[19:51] <ivoks_> zul: how are you?
[19:51] <zul> ivoks_: good how are you?
[19:51] <ivoks_> zul: i'm !@#%#$%!
[19:52] <zul> ivoks_: ah so much fun
[19:52] <ivoks_> zul: waiting for my laptop to get back from repair shop, and waiting for broadband connection :)
[19:52] <zul> ivoks_: heh time to get drunk then :)
[19:52] <ivoks_> zul: :)
[19:53] <ivoks_> let's try that then
[19:53] <ivoks_> see you in couple of days :)
[20:11] <naiad> if i have 2 nics with internet connections active that are not bonded would I have to use iptables to for apt-get to use a specific interface?
[20:12] <rsr> hi
[20:12] <SpamapS> naiad: for outgoing packets, you're going to use the one that has the default route
[20:13] <naiad> both interfaces have gateways set
[20:13] <rsr> I installed webmin but whenever I restart the server it seems like it aplies the configuration that is in the file /etc/networking/interfaces instead of whatever I put in webmin
[20:13] <rsr> is there a problem with webmin?
[20:14] <guntbert> !webmin | rsr
[20:15] <rsr> I had issues with ebox
[20:16] <rsr> Whenever I install ebox on an ubuntu server it screws the config files and tries to take over everything
[20:20] <guntbert> rsr: I don't like ebox either, but webmin is definetely problematic (some people claim that it is compatible with ubuntu again - but as long as it isn't in the repos I keep my fingers off
[20:30] <duiu> I have a softraid 1 that I need to migrate to a new system. Is there a way I can do this without copying data to USB drive, remaking RAID, and copying data back to the new RAID?
[20:34] <TeLLuS> Hi, I added a gfx card and now plymouthd dies when trying a new kernel and generic lucid kernel stays black..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/463649/   Any way to make plymoth stay away from the framebuffer?
[20:37] <naiad> does anyone know how to have /etc/network/interfaces use dhcp but not update resolv.conf?
[20:37] <patdk-wk> edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[20:38] <patdk-wk> remove domain-name-servers and domain-search from the requests line
[20:38] <patdk-wk> and defently make sure they are not in the require line
[21:01] <webPragmatist> wheres the proper place to globally disallow directory indexes in apache as well as enable .htaccess files
[21:01] <webPragmatist> i added the .htaccess file in the "default" vhost
[21:01] <webPragmatist> but if I add -Indexes it doesn't seem to work
[21:10] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: FYI, .htaccess == very slow.
[21:24] <webPragmatist> SpamapS: yes… a poorly written .htaccess can be slow
[21:24] <webPragmatist> o.O
[21:25] <webPragmatist> and yes there might be a ms lag looking for a .htaccess file each request
[21:25] <webPragmatist> but it's convenience far outweighs it's pitfall….. though it makes me wonder if it's contents could be cached
[22:07] <CppIsWeird> how do i compile a new 10.04 kernel with dom0 support?
[22:08] <SnakeNuts> Hello all. I need to have a quick verification to see if I'm doing things right: I have a server I only have remote (SSH) access to and I want to set up a firewall. If I use 'ufw' and I do 'sudo ufw allow ssh/tcp' and the 'sudo uwf enable', am I doing it in the right order to _not_ lock myself out? (I did so yesterday by installing eBox and its firewall plug-in. I had to have my VM re-installed...)
[22:09] <patdk-wk> well, considering the following is here
[22:09] <patdk-wk> -A ufw-before-input -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[22:09] <patdk-wk> -A ufw-before-output -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[22:09] <patdk-wk> you should be fine
[22:10] <jdstrand> SnakeNuts: that should work fine
[22:11] <jord> Hey. I've installed postfix and root's mail is going to /var/mail/root but when I type mail as root nothing is listed. How do I get the mail to show up?
[22:11] <SnakeNuts> patdk-wk: Thanks. I'm sadly not very well versed in iptables or the like, so I don't really know what those two lines mean. (I'm assuming they're in the default settings), could you enlighten me perhaps?
[22:12] <patdk-wk> well, if you have the conntrack module loaded
[22:12] <patdk-wk> it tracks your connections
[22:12] <patdk-wk> so if it is tracking your ssh connection, and the connection is OPEN (ESTABLISHED), it will allow it, without checking the rest if your firewall rules
[22:13] <patdk-wk> as you don't have the conntrack module tracking yet, you need that ssh allow
[22:13] <patdk-wk> once ufw starts it will start conntrack
[22:13] <patdk-wk> and will notice it and add it to the list
[22:13] <patdk-wk> but for the future, restarting ufw and that, your ssh would be safe, cause of those lines
[22:14] <SnakeNuts> Ok, that makes sense. Thanks a lot for that! I'll read up on the conntrack module too. Cheers!
[22:15] <CppIsWeird> can anyone help me get a dom0 kernel on my 10.04 box?
[22:19] <webPragmatist> anyone ever try to compile lsyncd
[22:19] <webPragmatist> and actually use it
[22:21] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: no, not a poorly written .htaccess
[22:21] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: merely enabling .htaccess makes your server *much* slower
[22:21] <webPragmatist> like i said further down
[22:22] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: to server   yourserver/dir/another/deeper/file.html  the server must look for .htaccess in @docroot@/dir @docroot@/dir/another @docroot@/deeper with every single access to that file.
[22:22] <webPragmatist> exactly
[22:23] <therianwork> hey guys, is there a bug that is crashing the aptdeamon?
[22:23] <therianwork> my box keeps shutting off in the mid of the night
[22:23] <therianwork> :\
[23:52] <webPragmatist> any of you guys use rsyncd
[23:52] <webPragmatist> I'm trying to use xinet and all that jazz but despide having the user and group set to "root" i get "Permission denied" when trying to create a file
[23:53] <webPragmatist> i'm just wondering if … the "user" in user@myhost:: is the actual user that execs the command