[00:17] <tomreyn> DArqueBishop: according to a web search, mariadb considers "Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than ..." a *warning*, not an error, which may suggest that there has been another, more serious, error, causing mariadb to fail to start (which may or may not have been reported).
[00:21] <tomreyn> i.e. from what i read online, mariadb would still start up nevertheless, so that you could inspect mysql variables, e.g.  SHOW VARIABLES LIKE 'open_files_limit';
[00:22] <tomreyn> open_files_limit, max_connections and table_open_cache would affect the # of file handles needed
[00:23] <tomreyn> also inspect the values of the CapabilityBoundingSet in the systemd service file
[01:29] <DArqueBishop> tomreyn: well, believe it or not, doing some further checking revealed the answer was indeed, "Bishop needs caffeine because he missed something important".
[01:30] <DArqueBishop> I ran out of disk space on the root filesystem!
[01:30]  * DArqueBishop facepalms.
[01:31] <tomreyn> don't let the coffeine suuply chain fail!
[01:39] <DArqueBishop> For some reason the installation only used 30 GB of the 60 GB virtual disk I created, which is why I never suspected what happened.
[01:40] <sarnold> DArqueBishop: ohhhhh man. I hate that. *nothing* reports that error well :(
[01:40] <DArqueBishop> Now that I've actually resized the root filesystem, maybe it'll actually work this time. :-p
[01:59] <DArqueBishop> Yep, that was definitely it. Thank you!
[06:50] <kinghat> my docker-ce package is being kept back as an upgrade package. still on ubuntu 18, does that have anything to do with it?
[06:51] <kinghat> maybe its leftover from when they changed from ee and ce?
[07:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:32] <Nap> I'm having a bit of an issue with jailed users whereby their username shows as "I have no name!" and directory ownerships are showing as uid gid.  Both /etc/passwd and jailed passwd are fine.  What else can affect the look-up?
[09:58] <Guillaume____> hi
[10:00] <Guillaume____> i'm having an issue with my Ubuntu server. Quite some time ago i wanted to be able to launch an x session when i want on my tv (where my ubuntu server is plugged) so i installed mate and i start it with lightdm
[10:00] <Guillaume____> but i think i have rights issues
[10:00] <Guillaume____> i have to start many stuff in sudo where i shouldn't have to
[10:00] <Guillaume____> do you know how i can check and fix this ?
[10:04] <lordievader> Install a login manager (like gdm/sddm/etc) and login as a regular user?
[10:04] <Guillaume____> i have lightdm
[10:04] <Guillaume____> i can log
[10:05] <Guillaume____> and i have x but i noticed that i have to sudo for everything, my rights doesn't see to be good
[10:05] <Guillaume____> i launch mate with lightdm
[10:10] <Guillaume____> like i need to sudo vainfo in order for it to work
[10:10] <Guillaume____> other wise i get XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in environment
[10:13] <Guillaume____> systemctl --user enable pulseaudio i get a failed to enable unit: process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
[10:17] <Guillaume____> guess it has to do with xauthority or something like this ?
[10:27] <Guillaume____> also i get a unable to create directory '/.cache/dconf' permission denied so i think this is linked
[10:30] <lordievader> I'd suppose lightdm or mate should set the XDG_RUNTIME_ENV, does it log anything about it?
[10:36] <Guillaume____> hm i don't kno
[10:36] <Guillaume____> w
[10:36] <avu> you might just be missing some groups
[10:37] <Guillaume____> i tried adding myselv to the video group
[10:37] <avu> desktop users are in a bunch of groups by default, like `audio`
[10:37] <avu> I have no desktop Ubuntu handy so I can't look up which groupd exactly right now but maybe somebody else here can
[10:37] <Guillaume____> what about the dconf error in the .cache ?
[10:38] <avu> permission errors sound exactly like possibly missing groups
[10:40] <Guillaume____> yes
[10:40] <Guillaume____> so i'm in /etc/group right now, shall i be in root group ?
[10:41] <avu> again, ask somebody with a "proper" Ubuntu desktop installation to see what groups their user ist in
[10:42] <avu> randomly adding groups could of course also work out but will probably leave you in more groups than you should be in
[10:43] <Guillaume____> ok thank you !
[10:46] <Guillaume____> https://serverfault.com/questions/11488/default-groups-assigned-to-the-first-user-in-ubuntu-server-8-04
[10:46] <Guillaume____> this was exactly it !
[10:46] <Guillaume____> thanks a lot
[11:27] <thegodsquirrel> Hello
[11:28] <thegodsquirrel> Any clue if Ubuntu plans to push the openssl update (1.1.1i) to the 16.04 repos?
[11:33] <andol> thegodsquirrel: Sounds very unlikely, given that the current version is 1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.18, and that Ubuntu 16.04 soon will be EOL.
[11:33] <thegodsquirrel> Yeah, but not until April 2021 and I figured since it was a critical patch they might
[11:34] <andol> thegodsquirrel: Any particular CVE not covered by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.18?
[11:34] <thegodsquirrel> andol Thanks.  I would venture to guess there are a boatload of 16.04 web servers running ATM
[11:39] <thegodsquirrel> andol: I guess not.  I just verified that I have that version.  It must have either slipped in as a security update or I missed it when I updated manually.
[11:40] <thegodsquirrel> Andol: The article I read urged an upgrade to 1.1.1i to fix.  Thanks for the help
[11:43] <andol> No problem!


[12:33] <cslater> Hi folks - wanted to let you know that the site I run - Instalinux - gives an option to install edubuntu now
[12:33] <cslater> For Edgy install
[12:33] <LaserJock> interesting, cool
[12:35] <cslater> You select Ubuntu, and then one of the options - under bundles - is to pick Edubuntu
[12:35] <cslater> Showed Edubuntu to some teachers recently btw - they were SO amazed.  Great stuff :)
[12:48] <LaserJock> cslater: great
[09:32] <LaserJock> cbx33: you really here?
[10:45] <cbx33> LaserJock: yes
[10:45] <cbx33> been up for about 4 hours now
[10:45] <cbx33> working on SCP
[10:45] <willvdl> LTCM if you please
[10:45] <cbx33> sorry willvdl
[10:46] <willvdl> :]
[10:46] <cbx33> heheh
[10:49] <cbx33> how are you willvdl LaserJock ?
[10:49] <cbx33> willvdl: I managed to get hold of claire
[10:49] <willvdl> good. all sorted?
[10:49] <cbx33> yup
[10:51] <willvdl> !seen pips1
[10:51] <ubotu> I last saw pips1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>1d 11h 46m 49s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[10:52] <LaserJock> what does LTCM stand for now?
[10:55] <willvdl> Linux thin client manager?
[10:55] <LaserJock> ah
[10:56] <LaserJock> well, I suppose I better get to bed
[10:57] <LaserJock> almost 02:00 here
[10:58] <willvdl> nn
[10:58] <LaserJock> cya all tomorrow ... err later today ;-)
[10:58] <willvdl> ciao
[11:07] <pips1> willvdl: ping
[11:08] <willvdl> pong
[11:08] <pips1> sorry I'm late
[11:08] <pips1> I was talking to someone in the office
[11:08] <willvdl> no worries, my inbox is huge today
[11:09] <pips1> are you fine with chatting now?
[11:09] <willvdl> I'd just like to chat about web & wiki
[11:10] <willvdl> so that I'm in tune with your plans & goals and stuff
[11:10] <pips1> ok
[11:10] <willvdl> I started a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki/Cleanup page for
[11:10] <willvdl> cleaning up our wiki.
[11:11] <willvdl> more as a resource for me but it proves quite handy.
[11:11] <pips1> wow that is a good structured page
[11:11] <willvdl> and a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki/Archive so that I don't delete anything
[11:12] <willvdl> and I read through all your site planning pages
[11:13] <pips1> great. any questions lingering on your mind?
[11:13] <willvdl> now the www site has docs in it
[11:13] <willvdl> I asked Jerome about that
[11:14] <willvdl> he said it was a first pass at getting some solid docs like isntall guides etc.
[11:15] <willvdl> How do you feel about keeping such docs in the drupal site?
[11:16] <pips1> well... I'm not 100% sure of how things will change in the next months... I think RichEd should make the final decisions...
[11:16] <pips1> I can tell you what the two of us have talked about though
[11:17] <willvdl> okie
[11:17] <juliux> morning
[11:17] <pips1> There will be two "sites" (with individual domain names)
[11:18] <pips1> one is the official, already existing edubuntu.org/.com site
[11:18] <willvdl> and the new one
[11:18] <pips1> the other one is the to be developed edubuntu community site
[11:18] <willvdl> yeah
[11:18] <pips1> the first one will be fairly small and hold mostly static content
[11:19] <pips1> the second one will be (hopefully) very dynamic and community driven
[11:19] <willvdl> right
[11:20] <pips1> that's the *edubuntu*-specific side of things... it has to interweave with the whole other *buntu universe, of course
[11:20] <willvdl> how do you see that working?
[11:20] <willvdl> forums, ML, LP etc
[11:20] <willvdl> wiki...
[11:21] <pips1> Matt Nuzum is trying to improve the whole "official" ubuntu site and links to "sub-sites" / partner-sites situation, AFIAK
[11:21] <willvdl> ok
[11:22] <willvdl> will our wiki space stay where it is?
[11:22] <pips1> the important part is that people new to *buntu don't get lost...
[11:22] <willvdl> true
[11:22] <willvdl> ++
[11:23] <pips1> RichEd wants to "re-brand" the edubuntu wiki and align it better to the ubuntu wiki style
[11:23] <willvdl> in look and feel?
[11:23] <willvdl> or content structure
[11:25] <pips1> both wikis are in the same repository, so that you can find any wiki page e.g. /EdubuntuWiki at *both* domains wiki.u.c and wiki.edubuntu.org ... the look depends on what domain you use...
[11:25] <willvdl> not really. the look depends on the stylesheet you choose in your settings (if logged in)
[11:25] <willvdl> but I'm with you there
[11:26] <pips1> ok, you can override styles in your settings, but most first time visitory and novice users wont really know about individual settings
[11:26] <pips1> *visitors
[11:27] <willvdl> OK. our wiki stays physically where it is though right?
[11:27] <pips1> yes
[11:27] <willvdl> cool. same with forums?
[11:28] <pips1> personally, I feel that wikis are the way forward for collaborative documentation. wikipedia...
[11:29] <willvdl> true. you familiar with help.ubuntu.com?
[11:29] <pips1> the forums will stay where they are... but we will try to center/encourage educational topics on our new drupal community site
[11:30] <willvdl> gotcha. I'm aware of the scope of the new community scope
[11:30] <willvdl> (and am quite excited about it)
[11:30] <willvdl> OK, lets get back to documentation...
[11:30] <pips1> i.e. use drupal forums feature for educational topics and keep the more "pure" technical topics in the ubuntuforums area
[11:31] <pips1> i haven't really read much on help.u.c so far
[11:31] <willvdl> well, help.u.c has a wiki for all *buntu wiki docs
[11:31] <pips1> but I'm aware it exists... I don't really know what is going on in the whole documentation space though
[11:32] <willvdl> and wiki.u.c is the planning/collaboration/LP spec/everything else wiki space
[11:32] <pips1> right
[11:32] <willvdl> in short: *buntu Documentation goes on help.u.c
[11:32] <pips1> that's what I figured so far
[11:32] <willvdl> easy enough :) but confusing sometimes. Doc team is working on making it clear
[11:33] <pips1> you are talking about *polished* / finalised documentation on help.u.c, right?
[11:33] <willvdl> well, there are the "packaged" SVN docs
[11:33] <pips1> what isn't clear to me is the *process* of documentation
[11:33] <willvdl> and the wiki space
[11:33] <willvdl> their is the SVN repository which can be previewed on doc.ubuntu.com
[11:34] <willvdl> I'll write a page to demysity it as soon as I can
[11:34] <willvdl> demystify rather
[11:34] <pips1> ah, I almost forgot about doc.u.c
[11:34] <willvdl> pips1, essentially the community works on the wiki to produce info
[11:34] <pips1> so what is the difference about doc.u.c and help.u.c ?
[11:34] <willvdl> and then community also takes that info and pops it into docbook in the SVN
[11:35] <willvdl> doc.u.c is a WIP snapshot
[11:35] <pips1> ic
[11:35] <willvdl> help.u.c is a tagged release i.e.edgy docs etc.
[11:35] <pips1> ok
[11:35] <willvdl> the docs in the SVN get packaged into ubuntu-docs.deb etc and released
[11:36] <pips1> are there people working offline and using only the svn repository ? or does everybody use the wiki web interface?
[11:36] <willvdl> they go into yelp, khelpcentre etc., browser startpage, PDF...anything
[11:36] <willvdl> pips1, there are guys who work mostly on SVN
[11:36] <willvdl> not many but enough (edubuntu lacks though... ++ for nixternal and LAserJock)
[11:37] <cbx33> LTCM has tileable vnc viewer
[11:37] <cbx33> ;)
[11:37] <cbx33> awesome of what
[11:37] <willvdl> cbx33 ++
[11:37] <pips1> i see, does the "svn direct input" stuff surface on the doc.u.c wiki ? on how? (what interval, etc?)
[11:37] <cbx33> only problem is it's a little intensive on the old cpu at the moment
[11:37] <cbx33> will be sorting that out asap
[11:37] <cbx33> but concept wise it's there
[11:37] <willvdl> pips1 not sure of the frequency of the build. hope it is daily
[11:38] <willvdl> but svn checkout is always current
[11:39] <willvdl> it is subtle what info goes in SVN but I'd like to think that the core work gets done on wiki and the SVN authors just pull the info into docbook from the wiki
[11:39] <pips1> ok, so the snv stuff is published on the doc.u.c wiki... is that content locked? or can people change those pages through wiki-editing? (and if so, doesn't that break versioning of svn)?
[11:40] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam has a guide on contributing
[11:40] <willvdl> basically, you can be granted SVN access if you prove yourself
[11:40] <willvdl> you prove yourself by supplying patches to the docs
[11:41] <willvdl> no wiki editing unfortunately
[11:41] <pips1> so if I want to suggest a change for a page on doc.u.c, I have to formally apply with a 'change patch'? ah....
[11:42] <willvdl> yip. until you get access like cbx33 :)
[11:42] <willvdl> this process seems to work fine cause the docteam are quite good at it
[11:42] <pips1> wow, I thought that people can edit wiki-wise... wow
[11:43] <willvdl> the wiki is free-for-all, the svn is a little better protected or moderated
[11:43] <pips1> So most wiki-editing features aren't really used at all on doc.u.c !
[11:43] <willvdl> the reason being that the svn info gets packaged and is "official"
[11:43] <willvdl> doc.u.c is not a wiki
[11:43] <pips1> ahhh ok
[11:44] <willvdl> edubuntu's current problem is either a lack of docs or a lack of structure for our docs
[11:44] <pips1> hold on.. is help.u.c a wiki?
[11:45] <willvdl> help.u.c frontpage is static
[11:45] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam is wiki
[11:45] <willvdl> oops, sorry
[11:45] <willvdl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation is wiki
[11:46] <pips1> oh
[11:46] <willvdl> there are pro's and con's on this structure but if you check th ML's you'll see it was not an easy or quick debate :)
[11:47] <willvdl> anyway, the technical docs we have in our drupal site *should* logically go into SVN docbook docs
[11:47] <pips1> so people can edit wiki pages "below" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation I take it?
[11:47] <willvdl> yip
[11:47] <willvdl> delete/rename privilages are not free though
[11:48] <pips1> so what is the "hierarchy" system for documentors? svn rights, wiki delete/rename rights?
[11:49] <willvdl> something like that
[11:49] <willvdl> but SVN docs and wiki docs, although related, are not the same thing
[11:49] <pips1> or do you get both access to svn and wiki editing if you proved yourself?
[11:49] <willvdl> to edit/create wiki pages on help.u.c is free to all
[11:49] <pips1> i mean you gain access in one step
[11:50] <willvdl> delete/rename rights, I'm not sure
[11:50] <willvdl> maybe join ubuntu-website team or something... don't know
[11:50] <willvdl> but you can always request that action through LP or email etc.
[11:51] <pips1> I see how the process (and storage) is different for snv and help.u.c documentation, but what is the logical difference regarding those two "kinds" of documentation?
[11:51] <willvdl> good question :)
[11:51] <willvdl> well,
[11:52] <willvdl> SVN docs are "official" and get packaged. they appear on the website as official docs, the go into the desktop Yelp system and PDF versions
[11:52] <willvdl> there is little margin for error in them
[11:52] <pips1> right
[11:52] <willvdl> The SVN authors either get their info from the wiki docs (free to contributions) or from their own heads
[11:53] <willvdl> I like this structure given one thing:
[11:53] <pips1> so the wiki docs are some sort of "staging" area for the official docs..
[11:53] <willvdl> yeah. essentially.
[11:54] <willvdl> as such they will generally contain more info but may not necessarily be wellw ritten etc.
[11:54] <willvdl> The SVN docs are easily tagged to release. Edgy docs vs dapper docs etc. SVN does that naturally
[11:54] <willvdl> but the wiki doesn't
[11:55] <willvdl> so I'm a little concerned about info on the wiki that goes out of date.
[11:55] <pips1> i understand
[11:55] <willvdl> hence my interest in the HelpWikiQualityAssurance spec
[11:55] <willvdl> but it si easily dealt with, just need consistency
[11:56] <willvdl> and as ogra suggested, good use of wiki namespaces
[11:56] <willvdl> or categories etc.
[11:57] <pips1> also, I do wonder how they make sure that inter-documentation references work... I suppose that the snv documentors need to re-link everything when they take a wiki doc page and destill it into a snv doc page/element
[11:57] <willvdl> you'll see contributions to SVN docs come as: email suggestions, patches sent to editors, irc conversations or Launchpad bugs
[11:58] <willvdl> yeah, I'm out of date with docbook tech but they do something like that
[11:58] <pips1> wow, those documentors are doing a trememdous job!
[11:58] <willvdl> #ubuntu-doc is a good channel
[11:58] <pips1> tremendous
[11:59] <willvdl> The doc team has some good guys in it
[11:59] <willvdl> very dedicated
[11:59] <willvdl> I'd like to ask you a quick question?
[11:59] <pips1> go ahead
[11:59] <willvdl> we have some "overlap" on the www and wiki site
[12:00] <willvdl> frontpage, community page, getting help page etc.
[12:00] <pips1> which www site? are you talking about www.edubuntu.org and wiki.edubuntu.org ?
[12:00] <willvdl> yes
[12:00] <pips1> what do you mean by overlap
[12:00] <pips1> ?
[12:01] <willvdl> well
[12:01] <willvdl> take the frontpages for each
[12:01] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki & http://www.edubuntu.org/
[12:01] <willvdl> same info, slightly different in places
[12:02] <willvdl> http://www.edubuntu.org/Community & https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity
[12:02] <willvdl> the wiki is generally a bit out of date
[12:02] <willvdl> compared to www site
[12:03] <pips1> right
[12:03] <willvdl> I think we should try and decide what will go on www site and delete it from the wiki
[12:04] <willvdl> i.e. community page is pretty static, may change once a year.
[12:04] <pips1> let's take a step back
[12:05] <pips1> let's consider two aspects
[12:05] <pips1> people who contribute information to sites, and novices that make their first steps with the *ubuntu universe
[12:06] <willvdl> ok?
[12:06] <pips1> now, let's just look at the people who contribute, and their tools
[12:07] <willvdl> wiki, docbook, drupal etc?
[12:07] <pips1> let's assume that everyone who contributes the most "official" stuff is knowlegable about the tools and process the most
[12:07] <willvdl> right
[12:08] <pips1> those people are happy to use any tool... generally speaking
[12:08] <willvdl> yeah
[12:09] <pips1> for technical people, they will use command line snv tools, through-the-web wiki editing... you name it they can do it (although they might have distinct preferences)
[12:09] <willvdl> novices will most likely start with wiki editing?
[12:10] <pips1> then, there might be an intermediate group... I always thought that these people are happy to learn wiki-syntax, which doesn't come 100% naturally
[12:10] <pips1> novices... hm
[12:10] <pips1> I think of wiki-editors as intermediate
[12:10] <willvdl> ok I'm with you
[12:12] <pips1> keep in mind, most of the ubuntu community is currently still slanted towards people who are generally fond and fascinated by new technology
[12:12] <willvdl> uhuh
[12:13] <pips1> so if you look at this "elite", the wiki-editors might appear as novice... but when you target people that aren't technologists, they are intermediate
[12:13] <willvdl> so novices are more like: email
[12:14] <pips1> the "true" novice might use email, and possibly forums (with wysiwyg editors)
[12:14] <pips1> also, novices might not be so good to navigate the www
[12:15] <willvdl> if the www is made too complex that is
[12:15] <pips1> they don't google their way around... they find a site, and then try to discover stuff from there... by navigation links on the site.
[12:16] <willvdl> so "core" links and info must stem from the front page
[12:16] <pips1> the *buntu universe is rather complex: with official site, LP, wiki, forums, ML, etc., etc.
[12:16] <willvdl> :)
[12:16] <pips1> mind you, I'm still talking with people in mind who will *contribute* stuff
[12:17] <juliux> willvdl, i ordered some powered by edubuntu stickers by jenda;)
[12:17] <willvdl> juliux, didn't know we had any :)
[12:17] <pips1> e.g. educators who want to contribute to the edubuntu project, or simply who want to discuss and share something about education
[12:17] <juliux> willvdl, we will have now some;)
[12:18] <willvdl> pips1, how does this relate to the wiki vs www?
[12:20] <pips1> to cut it short: I think we should use the wiki as an "editing/contribution tool" for all "official and semi-official information"
[12:20] <pips1> edubuntu.org doesn't really need to be a drupal site
[12:21] <pips1> but the edubuntu community site does
[12:21] <willvdl> true. but for edubuntu.org to have nice news reels etc, it helps to use a CMS
[12:21] <willvdl> mind you, that is Matt Nuzum's domain right?
[12:21] <pips1> hmm
[12:22] <pips1> what do you mean by "that" is "Matt Nuzum's domain" ?
[12:22] <willvdl> meaning edubuntu.org, kubuntu.com and ubuntu.com is his responsability?
[12:23] <pips1> well, I guess it is his responsibility technically.
[12:23] <willvdl> anyway, not really important
[12:23] <pips1> right
[12:24] <willvdl> so what stuff would you keep on the www.e.org rather than the wiki?
[12:24] <pips1> anyway, I think the line goes more along "official and (fairly) static" and "community and very dynamic"
[12:26] <willvdl> planet, fridge etc I think
[12:26] <willvdl> and a banner at top of www.u.c
[12:26] <pips1> right! fridge is drupal powered
[12:27] <willvdl> www.u.c has "news" stories in nodes on frontpage
[12:27] <willvdl> but mainly release announcements etc.
[12:27] <pips1> let's try to distinguish 'content creation' and 'content display'
[12:28] <willvdl> easy enough
[12:28] <pips1> I think the content creation is done in drupal and then that content is syndicated to other places via rss feeds, no?
[12:28] <willvdl> for fridge?
[12:29] <pips1> I'm not sure how it works, really, but my guess is that news items on the fridge authored in drupal.
[12:29] <pips1> and individual noteworthy news items might then by fed into the u.c site
[12:30] <pips1> but I'm not sure how it's done, really
[12:30] <willvdl> there is a page explaining how it works
[12:30] <pips1> there is?
[12:31] <willvdl> can't remember where. anyway we digress :)
[12:32] <willvdl> let's start a temp wiki page for deciding what info/page goes on www site and what goes on wiki?
[12:33] <willvdl> I think this is relative priority since I've already had mails along the lines of people not knowing which info is the right stuff
[12:34] <willvdl> got confused between duplicate info that was slightly different or dated
[12:34] <pips1> well, what I'm trying to get at is that the "ubuntu world" uses specialised tools for each "task". they have wiki for (lots of things, but amongst them the official static site), drupal for news, vBulletin for ubuntuforums, ...
[12:35] <willvdl> uhuh
[12:35] <pips1> however, for our edubuntu "niche", I suggest use the wiki for the official site and drupal as a combined news+forums site
[12:36] <willvdl> you're talking about the new community site?
[12:36] <pips1> most of the news will be community driven anyway
[12:36] <pips1> yes
[12:36] <willvdl> ah, I'm talking about the official site
[12:37] <pips1> well, I suggest that we might as well convert everything on the current edubuntu.org official site into the wiki, as locked pages ?
[12:37] <willvdl> ok
[12:38] <pips1> similar to how it is done for u.c
[12:38] <willvdl> okay.
[12:38] <willvdl> either way
[12:38] <pips1> there are some static and locked wiki pages that are the official info, but they reside in the wiki nevertheless (i think)
[12:39] <willvdl> ok. the www.e.org will then link to wiki pages for community, how to contribute, etc
[12:39] <pips1> right, you what to get the duplication problem sorted
[12:39] <willvdl> I have no problem with having some "Static" pages on the www.e.org site for "where the community is"
[12:40] <willvdl> "how to contribute" etc.
[12:40] <pips1> all the basic and static info can end up in locked wiki pages, IMO
[12:40] <willvdl> but whether it is on www or wiki is not really a problem
[12:40] <willvdl> fine with me.
[12:40] <pips1> when will RichEd be back?
[12:41] <willvdl> not sure, next week?
[12:41] <willvdl> I'll start a process of updating the wiki pages so that the www site has something to link to
[12:41] <pips1> I would like him to be on the same page...
[12:41] <cbx33> whos good with network units?
[12:41] <cbx33> I have a 35kb/s
[12:41] <cbx33> is that high or low
[12:42] <cbx33> comparred to a 100Mb/s connection
[12:42] <willvdl> pips1, agreed
[12:42] <willvdl> cbx33: 512kbps x 1000 = 512 000 bps
[12:42] <willvdl> 512 000 bps / 8 = 64 000 Bps
[12:42] <willvdl> 64 000 Bps / 1024 = 62.5 kBps
[12:43] <cbx33> and so?
[12:43] <willvdl> just to help with conversion
[12:43] <willvdl> pips1, I think we're on the same page
[12:44] <cbx33> willvdl: thanks
[12:44] <pips1> I think so too, but I haven't talked to RichEd since UDS MV
[12:44] <willvdl> as this progresses, I'll try and input info as to how we use LP, ML etc
[12:44] <willvdl> have a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity/LaunchpadStructure
[12:45] <pips1> and while we have talked through a lot of things, we still need to agree on the exact plan and next steps
[12:45] <willvdl> well, I'd like to seperate the new community site from the official site
[12:46] <willvdl> and start working on a crisp and clear official edubuntu wiki space
[12:46] <pips1> fine with me :-)
[12:46] <willvdl> secondary: move docs that are on www.e.org into doc-team space and hopefully into the handbook or isntall guide or something
[12:47] <willvdl> My main problem is that I am running out of time to work on docs :)
[12:47] <willvdl> as of Feb I am going to be on the road until April
[12:48] <cbx33> yikes
[12:48] <willvdl> pips1 I think priority is our "front" page and core links from it.
[12:49] <pips1> sure
[12:49] <willvdl> for new users and existing users who want to contribute
[12:49] <willvdl> I'd like to clear that up first.
[12:49] <willvdl> 2) move technical docs to right place
[12:49] <pips1> mind you, there are currently only 9 pages in drupal that could move to the wiki, it isn't a lot
[12:49] <willvdl> yeah, shouldn't take long
[12:50] <willvdl> we have wiki weekend coming up. maybe use that
[12:50] <pips1> this weekend?
[12:50] <willvdl> 3) look to see how we can get our edubuntu docteam and web team more inline and integrated with ubuntu teams
[12:50] <willvdl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiTeam/WikiWeekend
[12:51] <willvdl> 4) see how new community site works with official site
[12:51] <willvdl> what you think?
[12:52] <pips1> I'm ok with those points.
[12:53] <pips1> for 1) I can certainly change the links from the front page once content (9 pages) has moved to wiki pages
[12:53] <willvdl> cool. I'll start work on 1). It won't affect anything anyone should our minds change etc.
[12:54] <willvdl> pips1, what do you think about wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki vs wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu?
[12:54] <pips1> I think 2) is a good move, since there needs to be some official documentation on LTSP that is shipped in edubuntu (Yelp)
[12:54] <willvdl> sbalneav is on it
[12:55] <willvdl> I'm hoping it can get into server guide too
[12:55] <pips1> wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu is probably better
[12:55] <willvdl> yeah, more in line with Kubuntu etc.
[12:55] <pips1> but then again, I don't know how your names space for the wiki should work
[12:56] <willvdl> We should check with the community though as it will affect peoples links and style
[12:56] <pips1> s/your namespace/the namespace
[12:56] <willvdl> EdubuntuWiki is redundant since it is already a wiki :)
[12:56] <willvdl> wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu as a frontpage make sense to me
[12:57] <willvdl> it is already there
[12:57] <willvdl> let's use that and just redirect from edubuntuwiki so that no one is affected
[12:58] <pips1> right
[12:58] <willvdl> any sub-pages to edubuntuwiki were written by me so I'm happy to move them :)
[12:59] <willvdl> have you thought of potential names for new comm site?
[01:00] <pips1> RichEd already got the name, but let's not mention it just here just now :-)
[01:00] <willvdl> no prob :)
[01:01] <willvdl> okie, I must run for now but will be back later
[01:01] <willvdl> pips1, great chatting to you. thanks for the help
[01:03] <pips1> regarding 3) in general, I think it is good to "integrate" teams, but mind you, you might want to talk to people rather then just "reassigning" them :) it's not a big deal though, since we are only few and you probably already talked to most (?)
[01:04] <willvdl> absolutely.
[01:04] <pips1> ok, good talking to you, cu
[01:04] <willvdl> I try to do that in all the edubuntu meetings
[01:04] <willvdl> most of the doc contributers are members of the doc-team
[01:04] <willvdl> so moving stuff to doc-team space is no problem
[01:05] <pips1> just to let you know, I am now getting lots of doc-wiki related email, so I might actually sign off from the edubuntu-doc-team to avoid them... I don't have time to read them.
[01:05] <willvdl> no worries
[01:07] <pips1> I'm just telling you that as a "feedback" so you know what reactions you might get when you did the "sub-teams" arrangement in LP :-)
[01:08] <willvdl> noted, thanks
[01:08] <willvdl> anyhoo, I must run now. catch you all in a few hours
[01:14] <pips1> got to go too, cu folks
[01:52] <AstralJava> Hey all! Does anyone else have problems with usb pendrives on ltsp clients? I have a situation where some stuff on the drive can be seen, but not everything that you can see on another machine, say like a normal linux laptop. For instance there are two directories, only one of which is accessible on the ltsp client machine. The drive is mounted normally every time, and no weird messages can be found in the logs, least the logs I am
[01:53] <ogra> AstralJava, nope, i havent see that ...
[01:53] <AstralJava> The system is actually not Edubuntu. It's very much like it, thought. Base install is from Dapper.
[01:53] <AstralJava> Okay thanks ogra!
[01:53] <ogra> dapper had no localdev support
[01:54] <ogra> thats only in since edgy
[01:54] <AstralJava> Hmm, I'll go look that one up.
[01:54] <ogra> in edgy its the default
[01:54] <ogra> (in edubuntu)
[01:54] <ogra> and easy to enable in normal ubuntu
[01:55] <AstralJava> Right on.
[01:55] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices has some hints for edgy
[01:56] <AstralJava> Thanks!
[02:07] <cbx33> ogra you there?
[02:07] <cbx33> dude I have two vnc sessions in the LTCM window
[02:07] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but not for long discussions
[02:07] <cbx33> no no...it's just a w00t statement
[02:07] <ogra> what does th eL stand for ?
[02:07] <cbx33> LTSP
[02:07] <ogra> in LTCM =
[02:07] <cbx33> I thought
[02:07] <ogra> nah
[02:07] <cbx33> just TCM
[02:07] <ogra> target of the renaming is to suppress the LTSP name
[02:08] <cbx33> ok
[02:08] <cbx33> dude it's working
[02:08] <ogra> we'll have TCM and TCC
[02:08] <ogra> thats great
[02:08] <cbx33> and load on the server isn't too high either
[02:08] <ogra> congrats
[02:08] <ogra> do yu read ubuntu-users ?
[02:08] <cbx33> I've sent an email to the redhat guys but no responece yet
[02:08] <cbx33> not usually....
[02:08] <cbx33> y?
[02:08] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-January/104937.html
[02:09] <cbx33> heheh
[02:09] <cbx33> well, the network throughput isn't massive from my simple tests
[02:10] <cbx33> and plus it's going the other way
[02:10] <cbx33> so we should be ok
[02:10] <cbx33> bad news....x11vnc doesn't seem to support compression
[02:10] <cbx33> and scaling breaks the viewer
[02:11] <ogra> well
[02:12] <ogra> if you find a server implementation we can support that does these things we'll use that one ... else we'll have to ive with x11vnc
[03:01] <AstralJava> ogra: Just to bug you some more about the usb drive issue, I confirmed that we are using the ltsp-4.2.x package that has ltspfs included.
[03:01] <AstralJava> So have you got any ideas on how to investigate the problem?
[03:07] <AstralJava> Bit more info, it seems that usb stick mount point $(HOME)/Drives/ doesn't get cleared everytime the stick is unmounted. Not sure if it tells you anything.
[03:35] <ogra> AstralJava, ltsp 4.2 is obsolete from edgy on, upstream just switches to ltsp5, all development is going on there
[03:35] <ogra> if you have probs with 4.2 look at the ltsp.org wiki
[03:35] <ogra> we dont support it ...
[03:37] <ogra> search for ltspfs checklist there ..., the 4.2 implementation is pretty different to the ltspfs in ltsp5
[03:38] <AstralJava> Right, okay. Thanks for your time. I'll go hunting there.
[03:40] <AstralJava> Btw. I've been meaning to look this way more lately, I started a new job last Dec. and I'm involved with ltsp heavily now. Edubuntu seems very interesting, so I might show my nose around here more often in the future. So pleased to meet you, Oliwer. :)
[03:40] <willvdl> ogra, seems I'm getting edubuntu-users list problems as well
[03:41] <ogra> i havent filed an rt ticket yet, but was told to do so
[03:41] <ogra> highvoltage, do you know any specific mirrors for edubuntu apart from the ones we use anyway in ubuntu ? Znarl wants to update the mirror list on www.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <ogra> i have no idea if we use any additional ones
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya
[04:32] <Slayer84> Ive looked at edubuntu for thinclients. But i have som(proberly stupid) questions.
[04:34] <Slayer84> When ive installed edubuntu i add users(one pr client) dont i have to set some quote, so the users dont use all the space on the disk?
[04:36] <Slayer84> And what if i want tp let the users share files with each other? Would a nfs drive be the best solution?
[04:41] <Slayer84> Hmm where thay THAT stupid:-)
[04:43] <ogra> Slayer84, the users are logged in on the server, not on the client ....
[04:43] <ogra> so they can share files locally
[04:44] <ogra> if you fear your users could use up to much diskspace you can indeed set quotas ...
[04:45] <Slayer84> Ahh just a shared folder!
[04:47] <Slayer84> I told you that the questions proberly where stupid:-)
[04:47] <Slayer84> Anyway to add a shotcut to the shared folder, when adding the user account
[04:47] <Slayer84> ?
[04:49] <willvdl> presumably a soft link? ln -s ?
[04:51] <Slayer84> hmm but could that be done at the same time as the "adduser" command?
[04:52] <ogra> just write a script ...
[04:52] <ogra> ltsp-adduser.sh
[04:53] <ogra> #!/bin/bash
[04:53] <ogra> adduser $1
[04:53] <ogra> ln -s yourfolder /home/$1/Desktop/
[04:53] <ogra> something like that
[04:54] <Slayer84> Nice Thank you very much!
[04:55] <willvdl> ogra, presumably a group setting on the shared folder will help? or is that already there?
[04:55] <Slayer84> It will be there
[04:55] <ogra> willvdl, yes
[05:30] <highvoltage> ogra: not that I know of. I didn't even know an Edubuntu specific mirror was possible.
[05:44] <juliux> hi highvoltage how are you?
[05:46] <highvoltage> good juliux!
[05:46] <highvoltage> and you?
[05:46] <juliux> highvoltage, good to hear
[05:46] <highvoltage> juliux: I saw you say something earlier and thought I just have to ask you about it when I catch you again
[05:46] <highvoltage> but somehow I can't remember what it was
[05:46] <highvoltage> </long day>
[05:47] <juliux> highvoltage, i am fine, but i have to learn a lot of things for my examens
[05:47] <highvoltage> exams for?
[05:48] <juliux> yes
[05:48] <juliux> university
[05:48] <juliux> i have 4 this time
[05:48] <highvoltage> ouch
[05:48] <highvoltage> I mean, what are you studying? Computer Science?
[05:48] <juliux> i switched to information managment
[05:48] <highvoltage> ah ok
[05:49] <juliux> informatics was not the right thing for me
[05:49] <highvoltage> I'm not even sure what the difference is
[05:49] <juliux> information managment is a mix
[05:50] <juliux> i have now business studies, economics and informatics
[06:55] <littlepaul> hi
[06:55] <littlepaul> I have a question just to check the concept. (I leave out the use of lts.conf)
[06:55] <littlepaul> I changed to the chroot via chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and in the chroot environment I called
[06:55] <littlepaul> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and changed the keyboard layout from de to gr or us.
[06:55] <littlepaul> The thinclient boots with the choosen layout.
[06:55] <littlepaul> Now my problem: I remain in the chroot environment and I edit the xorg.conf and change form us or gr back to de and save the file. After rebooting the thinclient the keyboard layout remains as configured with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. So changing back only works with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and not via editing the xorg.conf directly. To be sur I even restarted booth (server and thinclient)
[06:55] <littlepaul> As said it is just as proofe of concept. I know that I could use the lts.conf.
[06:56] <ogra> which would be the right way to do it
[06:57] <ogra> its intresting that this works for you ... it actually shouldnt since the xorg config gets overwritten on every boot
[06:57] <littlepaul> ogra it realy worked
[06:58] <littlepaul> to be sure I deleted the xorg.conf and the client could'nt build a connection to X via ssh
[06:58] <ogra> oh, wait, debconf will keep the values you choose ... so it generates the xorg.conf with these values ...
[07:00] <littlepaul> so it works as designed from your view and no change needed?
[07:01] <littlepaul> change = bug fix :)
[07:02] <ogra> well, we could make use of it, i never thought about abusing the debconf db as lts.conf replacement
[07:04] <juliux> with lts.conf it is a little bit easier to change the settings
[07:05] <ogra> well, i'm just working on python-ltsp, an easy to use python module to change the settings soon you shouldnt need to touch anything like lts.conf anymore
[07:06] <littlepaul> ogra, thx for your answer
[07:06] <juliux> ogra, that is realy cool
[07:06] <ogra> you're welcome
[09:29] <humbolto> does edubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu use?
[09:30] <LaserJock> yes
[09:45] <humbolto> does the edubuntu installer setup all of LTSP for you or do I have to hack some commands to make it work, like I would have, when installing it on ubuntu?
[09:49] <LaserJock> it should pretty much just work
[09:52] <ogra> humbolto, if you have tw etwork cards in the server during install everything will just work
[09:52] <ogra> *two network cards
[09:52] <humbolto> why two?
[09:53] <humbolto> one for inet?
[09:53] <humbolto> or for normal lan?
[09:53] <humbolto> and the other for thin client net
[09:54] <humbolto> if I would install ubuntu and then edubuntu-server, would LTSP still be setup without any user interaction?
[09:54] <ogra> nope
[09:55] <ogra> you would miss the things the installer does
[09:55] <humbolto> and what if I don't have two network cards?
[09:55] <ogra> whioch is actually only the automatic setup of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf beyond the usually ltsp-build-client
[09:56] <humbolto> the real question is, does it make any sense to download the edubuntu installer cds if I already have the ubuntu ones and just want to install one single server?
[09:56] <ogra> then just follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall guide
[09:57] <ogra> you dont need the edubuntu-server package for ltsp ;)
[09:57] <humbolto> ogra: ok, the installer sets up the dhcp and runs ltsp-build-client, while installing the meta package would not do that?
[09:58] <ogra> right
[09:58] <humbolto> ogra: how to generate thin client boot disks and roms?
[09:58] <ogra> the edubuntu-server metapackage depends on more than ltsp
[09:58] <humbolto> do not have pxe cards
[09:59] <ogra> either get PXE capable cards or go to rom-o-matic.net
[09:59] <humbolto> ogra: what kind of image do I need?
[09:59] <ogra> the etherboot images from there should just work
[09:59] <ogra> the right one for your card ...
[09:59] <humbolto> I tried with the once I was using with ltsp4.2 and they did not really work
[09:59] <ogra> there is a howto on the page
[10:00] <ogra> the ones you used with ltsp 4.2 should work, at least with edgy
[10:00] <humbolto> I have installed ltsp 4 several times, but ran into trouble with the edgy/etch version
[10:00] <humbolto> hmmm
[10:00] <humbolto> kernel booted but stopped at one time
[10:01] <humbolto> the message was shown to short to get it and pause key did not work
[10:02] <ogra> hmm, you should not see any bootmessages, rater the bootsplash
[10:03] <humbolto> had the boot messages, but the thing rebooted itself to quickly after kernel boot stopped with an error
[10:03] <ogra> weird
[10:03] <humbolto> don't even know it it was an error
[10:03] <humbolto> yes
[10:04] <humbolto> anyhow, if I use the meta package, will tftp and nfs still be setup for me or do I have to configure them myself?
[10:04] <ogra> thats something the ltsp-server-standalone package does for you
[10:04] <humbolto> great!
[10:04] <ogra> its realy as easy as the QuickIstall guide describes
[10:04] <humbolto> super cool!
[10:04] <humbolto> are you an edubuntu dev?
[10:05] <ogra> yp
[10:05] <ogra> *yep
[10:05] <humbolto> then thanks a lot, you guys rock!!!!!
[10:05] <LaserJock> humbolto: he's *the* Edubuntu dev
[10:05] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:05] <humbolto> I go down on my knees!
[10:05] <humbolto> And kiss your feet!
[10:06] <ogra> nah :)
[10:07] <humbolto> Great job.
[10:07] <humbolto> So the LTSP stuff in edubuntu is all your job?
[10:07] <ogra> much of it, yes
[10:07] <LaserJock> humbolto: we also have one of the LTSP devs that helps quite a bit
[10:08] <humbolto> Anyhow, I read about what is planned for feisty and I have to state once again, *buntu is doing the job right! User/Task use case centered all over.
[10:08] <humbolto> And the way the dev is managed by launchpad is just great!
[10:09] <humbolto> Super transparent and open even for the most unexperienced user to contribute at least some use cases so the devs know how people want it to work.
[10:09] <humbolto> great job, once again! great job!
[10:09] <ogra> :)
[10:10] <humbolto> now finally debian in a remote sense has got in contact with the user base
[10:11] <ogra> debian itself starts changing as well ...
[10:11] <ogra> (at least it claims to)
[10:11] <humbolto> hope so
[10:11] <humbolto> hope one day, they have something like launchpad
[10:12] <humbolto> launchpad is proprietary, right?
[10:12] <humbolto> could be great to coordinate the flow between debian and ubuntu
[10:13] <humbolto> but if it is proprietary debian wont accept it
[10:14] <ogra> well, many debian devs use it ...
[10:14] <ogra> others dont like it ... its debian ...
[10:15] <ogra> they use bzr (the version control system behind launchpad) a lot in debian though
[10:15] <ogra> even the ones that dislike LP
[10:17] <humbolto> one more question, which login manager is used in edubuntu
[10:19] <LaserJock> it's called ldm
[10:19] <humbolto> and since the whole thing is tunneled through ssh, I don't need to turn on xdmcp in my desktop manager, right?
[10:19] <LaserJock> nope
[10:19] <LaserJock> no xdmcp
[10:19] <humbolto> but ldm does not seem to be installed it I try to install ltsp-standalone-server.
[10:20] <humbolto> I see sdm however
[10:20] <ogra> ldm gets installed in the client environment by ltsp-build-client
[10:20] <ogra> no need for it on the server
[10:20] <humbolto> I get it
[10:20] <ogra> the server needs openssh-server installed
[10:21] <ogra> which is a dependency of ltsp-server-standalone
[10:21] <humbolto> isn't running ssh on the thin client a heavy task for an 166 mhz pentium mmx (clients I am using)?
[10:22] <ogra> well, its taking a little bit more cpu power than xdmcp ... but thats not much ... 166 should work
[10:24] <ogra> in feisty ssh will get the opportunity to switch all encryption off ... so that will be the same as xdmcp but at least with the key handshake of ssh
[10:24] <ogra> (indeed we dont recommend that, but for really low level clients that will be of some help)
[10:25] <humbolto> so 166 mmx should be fine
[10:25] <humbolto> unless people want to watch video?
[10:25] <ogra> i tested with 200 and it was fine, so i would expect 166 to work as well
[10:25] <ogra> right, video is a killer ...
[10:25] <ogra> but mainly for your network
[10:26] <humbolto> it is just 3 clients in my env
[10:26] <humbolto> but they want video
[10:26] <humbolto> or at least if they get it, they will love me
[10:27] <humbolto> so should I turn off the ssh thing and turn on xdmcp instead?
[10:27] <humbolto> how can I do that?
[10:27] <ogra> if you do that you will loose support for usb drives etc
[10:28] <humbolto> ltspfs depends on sdm?
[10:28] <ogra> but you can do it by adding SCREEN_07=startx to an lts.conf file in the client environment
[10:28] <ogra> nope, it doesnt
[10:28] <ogra> ltspfs depends on fuse
[10:29] <humbolto> but ltspfs used to work with xdmcp also in ltsp 4.2
[10:29] <ogra> right, but through a different communication channel
[10:29] <ogra> newer versions of ltspfs use an ssh tunnel for that
[10:29] <humbolto> can't I alter this channel?
[10:30] <humbolto> was ssh used in dapper also?
[10:30] <ogra> sbalneav was considering to implement support for xdmcp again but the ssh switch made him reconsider i think
[10:30] <ogra> ssh was used since ubuntu ltsp exists
[10:31] <humbolto> ssh switch?
[10:31] <ogra> ltspfs wasnt used before edgy
 in feisty ssh will get the opportunity to switch all encryption off ... so that will be the same as xdmcp but at least with the key handshake of ssh
[10:31] <humbolto> I know, but in ltsp 4.2 it was available
[10:32] <humbolto> I certainly could do that by hand in edgy either. what file do I need to tweak?
[10:32] <ogra> yes, with lbus
[10:32] <ogra> all of them
[10:33] <ogra> the way ltspfs is implemented in ltsp5 is very deeply integrated into ssh and udev ... you would need to hack nearly every script from the ltspfs package
[10:33] <humbolto> anyhow, still the best choice. so they have to wait for video until feisty is out.
[10:33] <ogra> no
[10:33] <humbolto> ?
[10:33] <ogra> you could for example run an ssh server on the client
[10:33] <ogra> and install a video player locally
[10:34] <humbolto> ?
[10:34] <ogra> mount the users homedir via nfs and set up ldap ...
[10:34] <humbolto> what do I need the ssh server for?
[10:35] <humbolto> ah, to start the player
[10:35] <ogra> then you can add desktop launchers that do: ssh $USER@<thin-client-ip> totem /home/$USER/video.ogg
[10:35] <ogra> the server needs to be set up for passwordless login and every user needs a ssh key
[10:35] <humbolto> how to get a firefox video plugin to work?
[10:35] <ogra> and indeed that wont work on low level clients
[10:36] <ogra> they need the power to run a videoplayer
[10:36] <humbolto> certainly not, just came to my attention too
[10:36] <ogra> enough ram at least
[10:36] <humbolto> I'll tell them, it will work in march, was it march? when will feisty be released?
[10:37] <LaserJock> April
[10:37] <ogra> april
[10:37] <ogra> but i cant guarantee it will be in feisty
[10:38] <humbolto> so there is not just one ssh connection used to tunnel all traffic, but several. one for x, one for ltspfs, ...
[10:38] <ogra> time is to short, some specs will be dropped
[10:38] <ogra> nope
[10:38] <ogra> its always the same ssh conn
[10:38] <humbolto> so why is it not possible to just make this one ssh connection run without encryption?
[10:39] <ogra> you need the username ...
[10:39] <humbolto> so?
[10:39] <ogra> and the user needs to connect from the client ... xdmcp does the login on the servers gdm
[10:40] <ogra> you dont have the user data available on the client ...
[10:40] <ogra> you dont have a way to tell the client when to connect
[10:40] <humbolto> I am refering to just turning off ecryption
[10:40] <ogra> oh, right
[10:41] <ogra> its not possible yet because thats an abuse of ssh in the view of upstream
[10:42] <humbolto> but if it is just one connection I could add the param?
[10:42] <humbolto> ah, turning off enc all together is not in ssh yet?
[10:42] <ogra> you will have to tweak the server config ....
[10:42] <ogra> right
[10:42] <ogra> the patch exists since some time
[10:42] <humbolto> but I could use blowfish at least?
[10:43] <humbolto> that should be the fastest enc, right?
[10:43] <ogra> but turning off encryption in a secure shell is somewhat silly in upstreams view
[10:43] <ogra> thats what we use
[10:43] <humbolto> well, they are not completely wrong with that. but it can make sense still.
[10:43] <ogra> blowfish-cbc,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc
[10:44] <ogra> in that order
[10:44] <humbolto> fastest -> slowest
[10:44] <ogra> right
[10:44] <humbolto> what is the default and where would I have to add the param?
[10:45] <ogra> the default is the first one the server accepts
[10:45] <ogra> which is blowfish in our case
[10:45] <ogra> f the feature is in ssh you will be able to add "none" to the above list
[10:46] <ogra> and if the server has switched encryption off it will connect without encryption
[10:47] <ogra> anyway, i need to go now ... bbl
[10:48] <humbolto> thanks for all the info!
[10:48] <humbolto> Have the best of all days or nights, depends on where you are located!
[10:48] <humbolto> And again, you guys are great!
[11:13] <peterlyberth> Hi What kind of hardware would you recommend for the server, in a five client setup?
[11:18] <LaserJock> well, you should have about 150MB / client
[11:18] <LaserJock> plust a bit for the base system
[11:19] <LaserJock> 2 NICs seems helpful
[11:19] <LaserJock> and at least 500MHz processor I should think
[11:19] <LaserJock> but I'm not really an expert
[11:20] <peterlyberth> Would a Intel p4 3 Ghz, 2gig ram and two 80 gig disks in a raid config, be in the rightdirction?
[11:22] <LaserJock> certainly for 5 clients
[11:22] <LaserJock> the hard drives are a tad small if you want to store a lot of stuff
[11:24] <peterlyberth> i dont think they need more. Its a experiment setup for a daycare center, ive never done it before
[11:24] <LaserJock> ah
[11:24] <peterlyberth> But if they save some money on license then im happy
[11:25] <peterlyberth> More stuff for the kids then
[11:25] <peterlyberth> They got a couple of old computers, so i thought edubuntu would be perfect
[11:27] <peterlyberth> in a thin client setup
[11:27] <LaserJock> yeah, sounds cool


[16:22] <jrwren> random power outage!
[16:27] <cmaloney> woo woo
[16:27] <greg-g> eek
[16:28] <greg-g> I have 4 hours of planned power outage coming next week, from 9am-12pm, which kinda sucks for us wfh'ers
[16:32] <jrwren> batteries?
[16:33] <jrwren> my home server power cycled, but I have internet on battery and use laptops, so this random power outage was just an annoyance.
[16:37] <cmaloney> I have everything on batteries save for one switch that goes to my main development machine and a printer
[16:37] <cmaloney> I am not a smart man
[16:38] <jrwren> lol. missing the 1 important thing :)
[16:38] <jrwren> I just reworked all my battery config, so this was the first exercise of it. I'm rather happy with it.
[17:49] <greg-g> no batteries :/
[17:54] <greg-g> unrelated reminder: Doomed is now back on Soma.fm for the best holiday season. https://somafm.com/specials/
[17:55] <cmaloney> nice
[18:03] <jrwren> oooh! thanks.


[00:30] <kfogel> sinzui: any way to get launchpad to re-evaluate a .py file without restarting?  I'd save a lot of time as I make little edits to, say, lib/lp/bugs/model/bugtarget.py.
[00:50] <kfogel> BjornT: .pt --> HTML formatting question: I've got Undecided	 in my output, but the Undecided is still not showing up in any particular color.  Is there something more I need to do?
[00:54] <kfogel> BjornT: never mind; trick is use tal:attributes="class string:importance${task/importance/name}" instead of tal:attributes="class string:importance${task/importance/title}"
[00:54] <kfogel> (And why would I think BjornT is actually awake right now anyway?)
[01:20] <jml> kfogel, because he's in NZ :)
[01:20] <kfogel> jml: zing!
[01:21] <kfogel> jml: Do I win the Company-Wide Awareness Award for this month yet?
[01:23] <jml> maybe.
[01:25] <mwhudson> bzr's setUp -> set_up for Server is breaking launchpad
[01:26] <kfogel> jml: What do you mean, someone else already got it this month?  Why wasn't I told??
[01:26] <mwhudson> 176 times so far
[01:29] <jml> kfogel, :D
[01:29] <jml> mwhudson, I told poolie so :)
[01:31] <mwhudson> yeah, i grumbled about it a bit when it landed
[01:31] <mwhudson> pretty boring change though luckily
[01:56] <poolie> hello jml, mwhudson
[01:56] <poolie> sorry
[02:00] <mwhudson> not a big deal
[02:03] <mwhudson> bug 404693
[02:03] <mup> Bug #404693: PPA ssh reset trigger can hang the buildd-manager indefinitely <buildd-manager> <soyuz-build> <Soyuz:Triaged by jelmer> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/404693>
[02:31] <poolie> mwhudson: by way of compensation, i'll do https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/507710 if you like it
[02:31] <mup> Bug #507710: want bzrlib.initialize() to do all typical setup <api> <Bazaar:Confirmed for mbp> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/507710>
[02:37] <al-maisan> about:blank
[02:37] <al-maisan> jtv: https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/Specs/BuilddGeneralisation
[02:37] <wgrant> jtv: https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/HowToUseSoyuzLocally
[02:53] <al-maisan> jtv: I am about to add the logic collecting the buildd slave results to `TranslationTemplatesBuildBehavior` .. is that OK?
[03:06] <jelmer> jml: can you merge lp:~jelmer/launchpad/builder-behavior again?
[03:07] <jelmer> jml: Sorry, seems I forgot to push a rev
[06:49] <lifeless> what are the zope singletons/global thingies called again ?
[06:52] <lifeless> ah.. remembered. Utilities
[07:09] <lifeless> jml: launchpad still thinkgs you're in sydney
[07:26] <lifeless> loggerhead fail http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/subunit-formatter/revision/10160
[09:13] <mrevell> Morning
[11:00] <deryck> Morning, all.
[12:30] <jml> lifeless, I don't care.
[16:19] <sinzui> adiroiban: ping
[16:19] <adiroiban> sinzui: hi
[16:20] <sinzui> adiroiban: what is blocking the landing of your branch to fix bug 496352
[16:20] <mup> Bug #496352: Refactor DistroSeriesStatus to SeriesStatus <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/496352>
[16:20] <adiroiban> sinzui: I asked gmb to do a test and land it
[16:20] <sinzui> today?
[16:20] <adiroiban> sinzui: no
[16:21] <adiroiban> about 4 days ago
[16:21] <sinzui> I think your branch fixes some circular imports. Do you mind if I try to land it?
[16:21] <adiroiban> sinzui: nope
[16:21] <sinzui> thanks
[16:21] <adiroiban> but you must merge with devel before
[16:21] <sinzui> okay
[16:21] <adiroiban> and check if the merged changes
[16:21] <adiroiban> contains DistroSeriesStatus
[16:22] <adiroiban> and then do a full test again
[16:22] <sinzui> I'll do that
[17:14] <bac> sinzui:  i've been trying to figure out what i changed that made download file deletion by a proj admin break.  turns out it is broken in devel.  :(
[17:39] <lifeless>  jml :P
[17:52] <mrevell> have a good weekend all
[18:07] <sinzui> bac: excellent. Do you think it can be fixed in your branch? Should it be a separate branch?
[19:27] <bac> sinzui: i think a separate branch
[19:27] <bac> sinzui: unless you want me to continue chasing it
[19:39] <dobey> hi all
[19:40] <dobey> does the Prerequisite branch field on merge proposals work well for declaring that a branch in another project needs to land there, before this branch can land? or does it only work for other branches being merged to the same place?
[19:42] <salgado> dobey, the latter
[19:44] <dobey> salgado: that's what i thought. ah well. :)
[19:48] <dobey> salgado: if i filed a bug to request cross-project dependencies in merge proposals, how many years would it take to get implemented do you think? :)
[19:49] <salgado> dobey, no idea, but maybe abentley can answer that
[19:51] <abentley> dobey: You mean, proposing a branch for merging with a prerequisite branch from a different project?
[19:53] <dobey> abentley: yeah. like if i add new API to a more general library project, and in my other project that uses that library, i also make a branch that uses the new API, i don't want the latter sitting around without a proposal waiting for the former to land, but i would like some way to let reviewers know that it can't be reviewed without the other branch
[19:54] <dobey> without explicitly saying so in a comment, but something that can be checked via LP REST API and such
[21:21] <sinzui> bac: I think the +download delete file bug is because that view is heavily cached. I can see that the deleted rules are building the cache before as it runs. the cache should be built after the process.
[21:22] <bac> sinzui: yeah, i know the caching is the problem.  just haven't figured out the details yet
[21:23] <sinzui> bac:I updated bug 508085 with the call chain problem I see
[21:23] <mup> Bug #508085: Deleting files from +download still displays the deleted file <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/508085>
[21:24] <bac> thanks sinzui
[22:08] <abentley> dobey: I can't predict how long it will take to be implemented if you file it, but I can predict how long it will take to be implemented if you don't file it :-).
[22:09] <dobey> abentley: sure, i was just being facetious, because i know you guys have a neverending queue :)
[22:11] <abentley> dobey: Maybe the best way to express it in our model would be a dependency on a bug.  (There may be no merge proposal in the other project yet)
[22:12] <dobey> abentley: bug dependencies is another thing i definitely want to see, yeah
[22:14] <abentley> dobey: I actually a meant that the merge proposal would have a dependency on a bug.  I'd also like to see bug dependencies, but that's not something the Code team can do.
[22:14] <dobey> right
[22:15] <dobey> bug dependency might be weird/confusing though, given how bugs work in lp
[22:15] <dobey> as they can "affect" multiple projects/distros
[22:21] <cody-somerville> Bug dependencies would be so awesome.
[22:22] <cody-somerville> dobey, Not sure I see how. That feature is intended to indicate a single bug affects multiple projects and/or distributions (the latter probably being the motivation for the feature). Why do you think bug dependencies would be weird/confusing?
[22:25] <dobey> cody-somerville: if a bug affects multiple projects, how do i clearly know which fix my branch will depend on? ie, it probably affects both the project i depend on, and the project i'm developing, if i'm writing branches for both projects at the same time. so it would be weird to say that this branch fixes bug X, but also depends on a fix in bug X. in LP there's no clear way to distinguish what project is relevant for which the bug affects
[22:26] <cody-somerville> haha, forget I said anything. I got excited there and thought we were talking about dependency between bugs.
[22:27] <dobey> between bugs is probably clearer, but i could definitely see some confusion due to the multiple project/distro affects bits :)


[00:00] <sonyvaioduo11> has anyone managed to use kubuntu on the sony vaio duo 11?
[00:03] <TheLordOfTime> !repeat | sonyvaioduo11
[00:04] <sonyvaioduo11> has anyone managed to use kubuntu on the sony vaio duo 11?
[00:05] <sonyvaioduo11> nickname pretty much self-explanatory.
[02:52] <rootkit> Hi. I've installed Kubuntu 9.04 (because its all I had and I have no DVDs lying around atm). I grabbed the sources.list from my friends 12.10 install and issued apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and its still 9.04. Did I do something wrong?
[06:04] <Glitchd> hey im trying to figure out how i can rescue my files from a broken ubuntu system that has the kubuntu desktop
[06:05] <Glitchd> everytime i burn a new live cd, it either doesnt have the live cd option, or i wont mount the filesystem for me to get my dang files
[06:05] <Glitchd> can someone please help me
[06:05] <Glitchd> i really dont want to lose those files
[06:08] <DarthFrog> Why won't it mount the filesystem?
[07:07] <OerHeks> After update flashplugin today, the download and install hangs in the konsole screen, removal/purge does not solve this > "flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>1.orig.tar.gz"
[07:20] <OerHeks> oh, i left the konsole open, now flashplugin is downloaded .. i was too hasty??
[07:21] <jussi> OerHeks: yep
[07:21] <jussi> happens that it gets slow sometimes
[07:22] <OerHeks> thanks, i thought it was my mistake :-D
[07:23] <OerHeks> millions+ users updating, smking server, i understand
[07:53] <Wizard> Hello.
[08:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:23] <userlain> Can someone help me with LibreOffice?
[11:24] <hateball> !anyone
[11:25] <bazhang> userlain, try #libreoffice
[11:25] <userlain> thank you
[11:30] <userlain> bazhang, I got my answer there and it works now. Thanks!
[12:18] <zoie> hello, i'm getting this warning: "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/user/.cache/keyring-cORz3c/pkcs11: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type" everytime i "svn" something; is there a way to solve this problem?
[12:57] <Wizard> Kubuntu <3
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:23] <userlain> HI BluesKaj
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hi userlain
[13:26] <userlain> What's up?
[13:26] <userlain> What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[13:26] <userlain> Do you need some assistance?
[13:26]  * Wizard 12.04 and 12.10
[13:26] <Wizard> :>
[13:26] <Wizard> I bet BluesKaj doesn't require any assistance :D
[13:29] <Peace-> :S
[13:31] <BluesKaj> userlain,  thanks for the offer , but I'm ok atm :)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> but I do hope the devs can come up with some patches foir the 3,7 kernel otherwise I won't going much further with the kubuntu releases
[13:48] <Wizard> BluesKaj: What's wrong with 3.7 release?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Wizard, some amd 64 cpu and associated hardware and nvidia graphics card drivers break under the new kernel , or the harware recognititon breaks the install procedure
[13:52] <BluesKaj> In my case I can get to desktop with noapci and nomodeset but ubiquity stalls at the initial install phase if I go any further
[13:54] <BluesKaj> in 13.04 that is ...I tried various kernel install wrappers from some blogs/tutorials for the 3.7 but none of those work for 12.10 either
[13:55] <BluesKaj> on my system at least
[14:00] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: are you using 13.04 packages or do you just have the 3.7 kernel on an earlier release ?
[14:00] <yossarianuk> For me 3.7 - amd64 and nvidia works on at least 3 systems
[14:00] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, I tried both
[14:00] <yossarianuk> (different systrems)
[14:01] <yossarianuk> are you installing the driver from nvidia or a package ?
[14:01] <yossarianuk> (i.e apt-get the driver or the nvidia binary)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> tried the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 and 1304 uses the 3.7 kernel as default
[14:01] <yossarianuk> bodhi linux uses kernel 3.7 by default and works on all 3 systems I have
[14:02] <yossarianuk> One has a geforce 6000
[14:02] <yossarianuk> on a 8500
[14:02] <yossarianuk> one a gts 450
[14:02] <yossarianuk> all fine
[14:02] <BluesKaj> mine is a 8400gs
[14:03] <yossarianuk> have you tried to install the driver manually ? - i.e not the normal ubuntu package ?
[14:03] <yossarianuk> ps you shoudl
[14:03] <yossarianuk> *should file a bug report*
[14:06] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, i filed a bug repoort on launchpad , but it isn';t getting much attn
[14:06] <yossarianuk> if its not working try to install driver manually (i.e binary from nvidia.com)
[14:07] <yossarianuk> (make sure you remove the one installed now)
[14:07] <BluesKaj> bug 1089439
[14:14] <yossarianuk> that doesn;t seem related to nvidia
[14:14] <yossarianuk> but hope you get progress
[14:20] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, to some degree it is , it just doesn't seem so when one tries to install from the live -dvd because ubiquity stalls in the text mode at the keyboard hardware scan
[14:21] <BluesKaj> later I found out that if one uses nomodeset etc to get to the desktop as others have they encounter the nvidia driver problems afterwards
[14:24] <BluesKaj> I didn't add to the bug about nvidia because I don't get far enough to recreate the errors
[14:33] <kamajii> why does it take hours to trust a root certificate using Kleopatra..?
[14:37] <Wizard> kamajii: Explain :)
[14:37] <kamajii> Wizard: basically, I'm running Ubuntu, with removed gnome and added KDE
[14:38] <kamajii> Wizard: freshly set-up. I then installed Kleopatra, including its dependencies to the gpg-agent and all the other S/MIME related packages.
[14:38] <Wizard> So? KDE is KDE, no matter how you installed it.
[14:39] <Wizard> What do you mean by "takes hours to trust root cert"
[14:39] <kamajii> Wizard: I hope so. Just wanted to mention it's not actually *K*Ubuntu
[14:39] <kamajii> anyway, starting Kleopatra fails because the gpg-agent is not running.
[14:39] <Wizard> If you want actuall kubuntu, you may install kubuntu-desktop package ;)
[14:40] <Wizard> This will change boot splash and other useless crap and install tons of software.
[14:40] <kamajii> Thus, I generated the ~/.gnupg directories by running 'gpg' and then I added a 'use-agent' line to the gpg.conf, so the agent gets started
[14:40] <kamajii> I figured that out by inspecting the startup scripts for X11, seems to be a bug, somehow.
[14:41] <kamajii> (thanks, I'll stick to a slim Ubuntu+little KDE :-))
[14:41] <kamajii> restarting X11 then also starts the gpg-agent, making Kleopatra to pass all its self-tests and start up.
[14:42] <kamajii> I then imported a certificate (CAcert, in case it matters)
[14:42] <kamajii> a message box pops up, stating that two certs have been imported. Closing this box triggers two progress bars in Kleopatra
[14:43] <kamajii> one for listing GPG certificates and another for listing X.509 certificates
[14:45] <kamajii> sorry, forgot one step. The certificates appear in the list widget after closing the dialog box. Then, right-clicking on the root certificate and picking 'trust root certificate' from the context menu triggers the progress bar. Sorry for that
[14:45] <kamajii> anyway, the latter bar (listing X.509 certificates) takes a quarter of an hour to complete...
[14:46] <kamajii> Wizard: I can hardly figure out what makes it got stuck so long.
[14:46] <Wizard> Does it produce any logs?
[14:46] <Wizard> Maybe check .xsession-errors
[14:46] <Wizard> I'm not a Kleopatra specialist.
[14:47] <kamajii> does not produce obvious logs, at least not on stderr/stdout
[14:48] <Wizard> :(
[14:48] <Wizard> Maybe somebody on #kde will have some explanation.
[14:51] <kamajii> I'll give it a try :-)
[14:52] <Wizard> Sorry I couldn't help.
[14:53] <kamajii> no problem.
[14:53] <faulk2p> check out the #linux there are more people in that room that might be able to help
[14:54] <Wizard> Uh, that is a troll cave :D
[14:55] <kamajii> all that crappy akonadi/nepomuk drives me crazy.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> you can turn them off kamajii
[15:00] <kamajii> BluesKaj: sure, but then KMail cannot search for emails anymore and so on...
[15:00] <BluesKaj> interesting that the COC doesn't apply to all the chats on freenode ..it's up to the individual ops to set the rules
[15:02] <BluesKaj> kamajii, unless you need a real large email database then kmail is important , if you don't them kmail can be replaced with something that works well , like thunderbird
[15:02] <BluesKaj> them=then
[15:03] <kamajii> I always liked Kmail because it was slim, fast, simple
[15:03] <BluesKaj> heh
[15:03] <BluesKaj> really ?
[15:03] <kamajii> in contrast to the all-overwhelming Thunderbird...
[15:03] <kamajii> yes, KMail in KDE3 was just perfect
[15:04] <BluesKaj> agreed but the PIM now makes kmail clunky and unfriendly and crashy on my system
[15:05] <kamajii> exactly.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> thunderbird is not overwhelming ..it works like a charm for home users like me
[15:05] <kamajii> what I simply cannot figure out is: I configured everything, including the S/MIME in Kleopatra and it worked for weeks.
[15:06] <kamajii> this morning I booted the box and it was broken for no obvious reason. No updates have been installed or so
[15:07]  * BluesKaj doesn't know anything about kleopatra and doesn't need or worry about certificates
[15:27] <azrael_> Hi I've some problems about the driver of Atheros ar9285 Wireless controller. The driver shows some problems like the instability of the signal/connection and some encryption errors.  Could anyone help me?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> azrael_, suggest you try #ubuntu chat , there a quite few more wifi gurus there
[15:29] <BluesKaj> are
[15:30] <azrael_> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll try there
[15:39] <fern-again> !list
[15:45] <azrael_> BluesKaj: The ubuntu's gurus maybe are too busy to give me an answer! Incredible...
[15:47] <BluesKaj> azrael_, describe the errors
[15:50] <azrael_> BluesKaj: I've no errors really! Simply I can't view any connection unless I'm very close to the AP/router! When I get distance form it the signal disappears and I lost the connection. I've found out that this problem is common for this adapter, but I didn't manage to solve it.
[15:51] <BluesKaj> azrael_, perhaps a different channel on the router like ch 9 ...6 seems to be the default for all OSs
[15:52] <BluesKaj> and if you have router broadcast power settings , make them higher
[15:53] <azrael_> BluesKaj: This problem makes my laptop useless and I can't change the AP channel of every router I've to connect to... That's not the right solution I think
[15:55] <BluesKaj> azrael_, sorry to hear that , the broadcast on your laptop chip is obviously weak , there must be a metod to increase it's coverage
[15:56] <azrael_> BluesKaj: I've heard that some Atheros ar9285 users solved this problem intalling the compat wireless driver, but the last version seems not to be the solution too...
[15:59] <BluesKaj> azrael_, which model laptop ?
[15:59] <azrael_> Lenovo B570E
[16:00] <sda> hi all, i have kubuntu 12.10. I changed icons on KDE but it doesn't on GTK. When i go inside GTK i cannot see the new icon theme. I searched online but i was not able tu find anything. Do you know how fix it?
[16:01] <azrael_> BluesKaj: That's new too and It's very depressing discover this type of problems :P
[16:04] <BluesKaj> azrael_, did the wifi chip work ok when you installed kubuntu ?
[16:05] <azrael_> BluesKaj: What do you mean? It's always worked in this way of course...
[16:06] <BluesKaj> azrael_, ok , I thought you had installed a different ubuntu driver than the default
[16:07] <azrael_> Yes... I've try to install the compat-wireless driver, but then I uninstalled it because the results wasn't changed...
[16:09] <BluesKaj> azrael_, did you blacklist the the default driver after installing the compat-wireless driver ? if not then the compat driver wasn't working
[16:12] <azrael_> BluesKaj: Mh... You're right, in this moment I can't remember if I was wrong really... I'm going to retry... I'll give you the resoult of the operation in 2 minutes :)
[16:16] <azrael_> BluesKaj: Checked... I think I needn't to blacklist the old driver or load some others modules... There's nothing like this written in README of the compat-wireless driver! I'm wrong?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> azrael_, what's the compat driver name ?
[16:20] <howudodat> I have 12.10 running 64 bit with a linksys WMP600N. I believe this is the same as ralink 2860. The ralink2800pci driver is being loaded and is painfully slow (i dont seem to drop network connection, but I cant stream audio from my NAS).  I have followed the suggestion here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958059 and attempted to build the driver, but they dont work for kernels > 3.0 and it hard freezes my computer when I insm
[16:20] <howudodat> 7.0-7generic. I am open to suggestions.
[16:22] <azrael_> BluesKaj: ?
[16:24] <Num83rGuy> Why does network manager never auto connect my VPN connection though I have "connect automatically" checked in the settings?
[16:26] <azrael_> BluesKaj: You're interested in compat driver version?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> the forums have an odd fix for it like the the bottom of this page , azrael_ (why blacklisting the acer wifi driver fixes this guy's issue is a mystery to me ) http://askubuntu.com/questions/95875/how-do-i-make-my-atheros-ar9285-wireless-adapter-work
[16:32] <azrael_> BluesKaj: That doesn't solve the problem...
[16:38] <BluesKaj> azrael_, check this out , http://linuxplained.com/how-to-fix-wireless-problems-in-ubuntu-1204-precise-pangolin/, it might work for 12.10 as well
[16:40] <BluesKaj> in that tutorial , azrael_, change , linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic to linux-backports-modules-wireless-quantal-generic
[16:40] <BluesKaj> or whatever release you are using
[16:42] <Num83rGuy> Why does network manager never auto connect my VPN connection though I have "connect automatically" checked in the settings?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> BBL , gotta check some other installs
[16:55] <Num83rGuy> ಠ_ಠ
[17:26] <azrael_> BluesKaj: I'm sorry, I lost the connection
[17:27] <azrael_> BluesKaj: By the way, I can't find the package linux-backports-modules-wireless-*
[17:41] <fabiano> Boa noite
[17:49] <rork> !pt | fabiano
[18:24] <UberDuper> Any way to get a unified inbox kinda thing in kmail?
[18:25] <UberDuper> I've been googling around and haven't hit on anything yet. I thought I was able to do this in the past with some kinda search workaround. But I don't see any options for that.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> UberDuper: #kmail maybe?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> bah, wrong channel
[18:59] <shadeslayer> #kontact
[18:59] <UberDuper> hmkay.
[19:01] <UberDuper> I accidentally removed the menu bar from dragon player.
[19:01] <UberDuper> Can someone check to see the keyboard shortcut to turn it back on?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> Ctrl+M
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ahhh .... I still remember the first time I did this myself
[19:02] <shadeslayer> brings back memories
[19:02] <UberDuper> Thanks.. ctrl + shift + m in konsole. :/
[19:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:02] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:02] <shadeslayer> UberDuper: care to file a bug against that?
[19:03] <UberDuper> One of the things that still drives me nuts about the various linux desktop envs is the lack of consistency in shortcuts.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> inconsistent behavior
[19:03] <UberDuper> I should start submitting bug reports. But I think people would just get mad at me.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> not really
[19:03] <shadeslayer> seems like a genuine issue to me
[19:03] <UberDuper> I have a lot of issues. :/
[19:04]  * shadeslayer is all ears
[19:04] <shadeslayer> but I'm afraid I'll be slow in responding :P
[19:04] <UberDuper> I'm running the 4.10-RC.
[19:04] <shadeslayer> UberDuper: better yet, you can just fix the issue in konsole ;)
[19:04] <UberDuper> Fix what issue in konsole?
[19:04] <UberDuper> Is konsole the one that's wrong?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> inconsistent shortcut
[19:05] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:05] <shadeslayer> everything else in KDE uses Ctrl+M
[19:05] <shadeslayer> dolphin, dragon, konqueror
[19:05] <shadeslayer> all the games probably
[19:05] <shadeslayer> kotrrent
[19:05] <UberDuper> Took me a while to find another app that actually lets me disable the menu bar.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:06] <UberDuper> Most of my other problems are likely nvidia related.
[19:07] <shadeslayer> can't help there I'm afraid
[19:07] <UberDuper> Running the latest 310.19 driver, if you disable compositing via the shortcut or w/e, when you turn it back on, I think it's kwin starts chewing up a lot of cpu and the graphics are just wonky.
[19:07] <UberDuper> I don't think this happened with 310.14
[19:08] <UberDuper> I'm probably gonna revert.. I only installed 310.19 trying to fix the vsync issues.
[19:08] <UberDuper> (didn't help)
[19:08] <shadeslayer> need to logout
[19:08] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[19:11] <soee> UberDuper, i must say i have more problems with latest drivers than benefits
[19:11] <UberDuper> Yeah I'm gonna revert.
[19:11] <UberDuper> I have to disable compositing for wine games.
[19:12] <UberDuper> Another issue I have that I haven't tested with the new driver yet..
[19:12] <UberDuper> Some of the compositing effects like the app flipper don't show up in the center of the screen.
[19:13] <UberDuper> I've got a 4 monitor setup and the flipper pops up completely off the screen.
[19:13] <UberDuper> I need to play around with it and some of the nvidia xinerama/etc settings. Maybe I can find a combination that works.
[19:15] <jeroen-> With Gnome (Ubuntu) I used Deja-dup as backup tool. It's backend is Duplicity, a command line tool. Is there any reliable KDE client for Duplicity. I've found time-drive, but last update is from 2010. If there not a good duplicity-client, wat is the best KDDE backup tool for desktop users?
[19:17] <UberDuper> My screen setup. http://uberduper.com/~jsatter/random/snapshot1.jpeg
[19:20] <soee> brb
[19:22] <shadeslayer> jeroen-: there are no awesome backup clients I'm afraid
[19:22] <shadeslayer> sec
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jeroen-: http://lists.kde.org/?t=135741072100003&r=1&w=2
[19:23] <shadeslayer> fairly recent thread
[19:31] <soee> what would be the best way to downgrade kernel ?
[19:31] <emaxxim> salve a tutti
[19:46] <jeroen-> thanks shadeslaye, I will take a look
[19:46] <jeroen-> shadeslayer: If there's no decent kde backup client, what is the most reliable linu backup client
[19:47] <shadeslayer> rsync
[19:47] <shadeslayer> which is what I use :)
[19:47] <UberDuper> tar
[19:47] <Torch> ack. people recommend unison, but i haven't tried it
[19:47] <yofel> rsync, or rdiff-backup if you need history
[19:48] <UberDuper> Clicking respond to a new telepathy conversation notification does nothing for me.
[19:48] <UberDuper> No new tab/window is created either. I have go to into my contact list and start a chat with the person to see their message.
[19:50] <jeroen-> shadeslayer: UberDuper Torch yofel: It is just for a desktop backup to an external drive,
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yeah just setup a cronjob
[19:52] <shadeslayer> with rsync
[19:54] <jeroen-> shadeslayer: That's my final solution. I like to try a gui first
[19:54] <shadeslayer> making good gui's is hard :(
[19:55] <shadeslayer> and there are enough KDE/Qt apps with shitty GUI's
[19:58] <jeroen-> shadeslayer: that's right. a lot of half baken projects. the downside of open-sourse
[19:58] <jeroen-> ce
[20:01] <UberDuper> shadeslayer: You see my screenshot?
[20:01] <guest16> git also.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> uh the one with the multitude of monitors? :P
[20:02] <UberDuper> Yeah.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yeah I did
[20:02] <shadeslayer> I'm afraid I'm no use with multi-screen monitors
[20:02] <shadeslayer> but afiestas made an app called kscreen
[20:02] <shadeslayer> maybe that helps?
[20:03] <UberDuper> With opengl compositing, the task flipper will show in the bottom half of the right portrait monitor if I activate it on the main screen.
[20:03] <UberDuper> And completely above the right monitor if I activate it on the top screen.
[20:04] <UberDuper> The screens are setup and work. Getting their positioning right was a nightmare. The issues that remain are tearing and odd placement of some things. Like the flipper.
[20:06] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:07] <shadeslayer> UberDuper: you could ask on the kwin-devel mailing list maybe?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> because that's a fairly unique setup
[20:07] <UberDuper> Yea
[20:07] <UberDuper> I'll tinker with some of the nvidia options before I go that route.
[20:07] <UberDuper> I've just disabled those effects for now.
[20:10] <Scunizi> I'm trying to setup my wacom Graphire 4 on my system with dual monitors.  I've loaded the appropriate driver and the tablet shows in System Settings > Graphic Tablet. I have 2 issues I need to resolve. 1> Getting the pen to function on only one screen at a time 2> whenever I use the pen for some reason the keyboard is no longer recognized and I have to kill the program I used the pen with (xournal). Any hints, suggestions, solutions?
[20:18] <m477> where can I set change that I dont wnat to see windows fro  other desktop on a bar?
[20:28] <musca> m477: just right click on the bar, choose settings
[20:29] <m477> ok I found thx
[20:42] <BarkingFish> Evening guys :)  Anyone here have any inkling as to when the last version of kubuntu was, which supported type 1 ID3 tags, please?
[21:40] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: could you be more specific?
[21:41] <BarkingFish> sbivol_, sure
[21:42] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: I suspect you need to find something about a certain audio player or metadata editor...
[21:42] <BarkingFish> I need to get hold of the old ID3v1 tag library to use with Audacity - i'm exporting some music which is going to be used on old equipment which doesn't support ID3v2, so all the metadata won't show on the player.
[21:42] <sbivol_> ah...
[21:42] <BarkingFish> I need to know which kubuntu was the last one which had the old libid3tag library which supported version 1 tags
[21:45] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: since Hardy it's version 0.15.1b, unchanged to this day
[21:46] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: so you need a version of kubuntu released before 2008
[21:46] <BarkingFish> right, so I need to go pre-hardy
[21:49] <BarkingFish> Damn. I hope I can find an ISO for Gutsy :)
[21:49] <BarkingFish> I don't know anyone who'd have one.
[21:49] <yofel> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ has all
[21:50] <BarkingFish> woohoo :P
[21:50] <BarkingFish> thanks yofel :)
[21:50] <yofel> but I only see 0.15.1b in the pool
[21:50] <yofel> 0.15.1b-1 dating back to 09-Jun-2004
[21:50] <yofel> so you might need an OLD DEBIAN release
[21:51] <BarkingFish> that's annoying. No Gutsy release of Kubuntu available.
[21:51] <BarkingFish> Goes from Hardy back to Drake
[21:54] <yofel> hm. From a quick look at libid3tag it seems to still support v1 tags
[21:55] <yofel> are you sure that Audacity knows how to write v1 tags?
[21:55] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: http://archive.debian.net/woody/libs/libid3tag0
[21:55] <yofel> or even tries to?
[21:56] <BarkingFish> yofel, as far as I'm aware it does.
[21:56] <BarkingFish> I might go back through the mists and find an old beta version of Audacity and have a shot from there.
[22:00] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: may the force be with you in your journey to the pre-Ubuntu ages...
[22:01] <BarkingFish> I have a lot of old ISOs here of linux distros long since consigned to history.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> The oldest one I think is Mandrake 7.0, I also have FC2 and FC3 in my box of goodies somewhere...
[22:04] <BarkingFish> and one of the first releases of Knoppix :)
[22:07] <UberDuper> I think I have freebsd 2.2.6 media somewhere.
[22:07] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[22:08] <BarkingFish> The earliest knoppix release in my kit is 1.6
[22:10] <UberDuper> I had windows 1.0 floppies at one point.
[22:10] <UberDuper> When I was like.. 10.
[22:11] <BarkingFish> damn.
[22:12] <BarkingFish> I had windows for workgroups 3.1.1 at some long forgotten point in the past, but anyway - this is offtopic :)  Shall we take this elsewhere?
[22:15] <Timberwolf> How do you clear the open with list for a certain file type?
[22:15] <Timberwolf> reset it to default
[22:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:16] <BarkingFish> Timberwolf, find a file of that type - right click the icon and go down to properties
[22:16] <shadeslayer> Timberwolf: try mv ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list.bak && kbuildsycoca4
[22:17] <BarkingFish> when the properties open, you will see a small spanner on the first tab, click it
[22:17] <shadeslayer> afaik the file association order is stored in mimeapps.list
[22:17] <shadeslayer> and renaming that to something else should work
[22:17] <BarkingFish> the next box which pops up contains the "Application preference order"
[22:17] <licious> hy
[22:17] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: doing that for each file is tedious :P
[22:17] <licious> i have one question about the softwear center in kubuntu
[22:17] <shadeslayer> s/file/file type/
[22:18] <BarkingFish> you can remove individual applications from that list, if you don't want them to appear in the "Open with list"
[22:18] <Timberwolf> that worked
[22:18] <shadeslayer> Timberwolf: which one? :P
[22:18] <Timberwolf> properties
[22:18] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[22:18] <shadeslayer> I thought you wanted to reset them all
[22:18] <licious> how do i get it
[22:18] <BarkingFish> shadeslayer, people ask a question, i teach them what I know. Tedious or not, if it works, i use it
[22:18] <Timberwolf> no just one
[22:19] <BarkingFish> i don't tell people to move stuff when I have no idea what I'm instructing them to move, for the record :)
[22:21] <Timberwolf> my open with for shell scripts was messy
[22:25] <Timberwolf> got one more question: if you have 3 repos with the exact same package, how to you specify which one to download from?
[22:25] <Timberwolf> from command line
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Timberwolf: either specify the version or do apt pinning>
[22:36] <shadeslayer> you can also do this via muon I think
[22:38] <shadeslayer> night
[22:39] <BarkingFish> sbivol_, i just checked in apper - id3v2 in kubuntu will convert and list id3v1 tags, but not write them by the looks of it
[22:46] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: too bad... apparently, libid3tag ever had only two versions: 0.15.0 and 0.15.1
[22:47] <BarkingFish> it's ok - i'm saved.
[22:47] <BarkingFish> i found an editor in KDE which will still edit id3v1.1 tags and save them to files :)
[22:47] <sbivol_> which one?
[22:47] <BarkingFish> !info Kid3
[22:48] <BarkingFish> oh yes it does :)
[22:48] <DarthFrog> I like Easytag for ID3 editing.
[22:48] <BarkingFish> There's Kid3 and Kid3-qt which both work nicely for this.
[22:53] <sbivol_> !info kid3
[22:54] <sbivol_> \o/ this was my first Irc Fu command :-)
[22:58] <BarkingFish> congratulations :)  I've been doing IRC fu for years with different bots, and I still make a balls of it :)
[23:00] <x1000_nemo> #join lubuntu
[23:01] <sbivol_> BarkingFish: I started using IRC a week ago, so it's all new to me
[23:02] <Timberwolf> When I run apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, I got Package flashplugin-nonfree is a virtual package provided by:     adobe-flashplugin <IP_ADDRESS>1-0quantal1      flashplugin-installer:i386 <IP_ADDRESS>1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>       flashplugin-installer <IP_ADDRESS>1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>      You should explicitly select one to install.
[23:02] <Timberwolf> and I'm not sure how. I looked at the apt pinning
[23:02] <Timberwolf> but I don't know the url
[23:03] <Timberwolf> I want the first one
[23:04] <gorgonizer> Timberwolf: you should be able to apt-get install adobe-flashplugin  I would imagine, if that is the one you wish to use..
[23:04] <boot> going to muon package manager, search and install should be straight forward
[23:04] <shadeslayer> I actually install flashplugin-installer
[23:05] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: same here..
[23:05] <shadeslayer> !flash
[23:05] <shadeslayer> yep, recommended way is flashplugin-installer ^
[23:05] <Timberwolf> I am using flash-aid
[23:05] <Timberwolf> and gnash doesn't work right
[23:06] <shadeslayer> don't even know what that is
[23:06] <Timberwolf> flash-aid?
[23:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[23:06] <Timberwolf> its a firefox plugin
[23:06] <shadeslayer> I see
[23:07] <boot> never heard of flash-aid, is it any good?
[23:07]  * shadeslayer uses chrome
[23:07] <shadeslayer> comes with it's own flash plugin
[23:08] <boot> ha, i see what it does...
[23:09] <Timberwolf> I have had luck with it in the past
[23:09] <gorgonizer> Timberwolf: trying it now..
[23:10] <Timberwolf> the adobe beta for 64 bit is a broken link
[23:10] <dogan> hi
[23:10] <dogan> türk varmı  loooooooooo
[23:10] <dogan> merhaba
[23:10] <dogan> geve
[23:10] <dogan> gece gece
[23:11] <bond__> Does anybody here know about how to check what is the TCP initial window size taken by kubuntu?
[23:12] <gorgonizer> Timberwolf: yeah, found that out ;)... would appear that I will have to go back to flashplugin-installer for 64bit flash, oh well..
[23:12] <dogan> what up man
[23:12] <dogan> whats up man
[23:14] <sbivol_> boot: I'm using Flash-aid, it's excellent
[23:15] <Timberwolf> I GOT IT TO WORK!!!!!
[23:15] <Timberwolf> If you use custom location with this url: http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/<IP_ADDRESS>1/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
[23:16] <Timberwolf> now my flash works great!


[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <locodir-user> Dobry den, chcel by som sa vas opytat na to, ze aky program by som si mal stiahnut, aby mi fungovalo video a podobne formaty.
[07:41] <locodir-user> dakujem
[07:49] <locodir-user> flashplayer sa mi neda nainstalovat.
[20:31] <tsegat> hello
[20:32] <tsegat> I need some pointers in managing an ubuntu mailing list
[20:32] <belkinsa> !lococouncil
[20:32] <belkinsa> ...Bot is still missing, jose.
[20:33] <tsegat> As admin am I required to subscribe to the mailing list in order to use it?
[23:09] <jose> belkinsa: it's a community-ran bot, I cannot do much about it than asking
[23:09] <belkinsa> AH, I see and sorry.
[23:11] <jose> np


[01:51] <Jbmorris289> Hello, question. So, I used unetbootin to boot Lubuntu. When I clicked on "Installed Lubunutu 16.04," it said that I could install it to another partition. Would it work and install correctly if I did?
[04:05] <xenial> Hi
[04:05] <xenial> Can I help me?
[05:46] <morten> good morning. Is it currently possible to do a LVM full disk encryption with a fresh 17.04 install? With LVM installed inside the live-CD and swappoff -a the installer still crashes.
[11:37] <wishe> I tried to install LXDE on my Ubuntu 16.04 and i also installed lubuntu-core and lubuntu-essentials.
[11:38] <wishe> It was using the lubuntu greeter so i tried to edit the lightdm conf file to change back to the ubuntu greeter and now I can no longer login to my system because it will no longer load the greeter
[11:38] <wishe> Is there anyone here that has experienced a similiar issue?
[11:38] <wishe> Or is able to help me fix it
[11:52] <leszek> wishe: undo the change you did won't help ?
[11:54] <wishe> I cant get to the file
[11:54] <wishe> When i try to start the computer i get "The system is running in low graphics mode"
[11:54] <wishe> And it wont get any further
[11:55] <wishe> There is an option there that says Exit to console login
[11:55] <wishe> I tried that
[11:55] <leszek> wishe: you can reach a terminal (called tty) input by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 to F8 there you might login
[11:55] <leszek> or that basically
[11:55] <leszek> this will give you terminal access to your system and allows you to undo the change
[11:56] <leszek> bbl
[11:56] <wishe> and it just says /dev/sda1: clean, 291072/6111232 files, 2760788/24413696 blocks
[12:37] <wishe> Ok, so I managed to fix the problem. I had to boot in recovery mode, but change the boot option flag to rw instead of ro. This let me edit the file in the root shell and delete it. My system will now boot like normal again.
[12:37] <wishe> had to delete lightdm.conf in /etc/lightdm
[19:30] <Anon> hello
[22:33] <ander_> hey


[12:59] <daedeloth> I'm trying to upload a ppa, but I keep getting this error:
[12:59] <daedeloth> Could not find distribution 'ppa'.
[13:00] <daedeloth> (in the rejected email)
[13:06] <cjwatson> daedeloth: What dput command did you use?
[13:07] <daedeloth> dput ppa:showpad ../lsyncd_2.1.5-2showpad1_source.changes
[13:08] <daedeloth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12320625/
[13:08] <daedeloth> that's my dput.cf
[13:08] <cjwatson> daedeloth: What's the "debian" doing there?
[13:08] <cjwatson> (in incoming)
[13:09] <daedeloth> I don't know, shouldn't it be in there?
[13:09] <cjwatson> daedeloth: No.  Where did that come from?
[13:10] <daedeloth> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[13:10] <daedeloth> well, except that I replaced ubuntu with debian
[13:10] <cjwatson> daedeloth: Launchpad doesn't support building PPAs for Debian
[13:10] <daedeloth> what is all this about then? https://launchpad.net/debian
[13:10] <cjwatson> That's an import so that we can copy packages from there into Ubuntu
[13:10] <daedeloth> https://launchpad.net/debian/+ppas
[13:11] <cjwatson> That's a page listing zero things
[13:11] <daedeloth> oh, bummer.
[13:11] <cjwatson> Also, that documentation is a little out of date, the modern form is ~<your_launchpad_id>/ubuntu/ppa - I'll update that
[13:12] <daedeloth> ok, I feel silly for trying. I thought launchpad had debian packages too
[13:12] <cjwatson> Import, but not building
[13:13] <cjwatson> So, you can build it for Ubuntu by changing to "incoming = ~showpad/ubuntu/ppa" and putting an Ubuntu release name at the top of your changelog, but I'm afraid you'll have to build for Debian some other way
[13:14] <daedeloth> ok, well, since I've already spent too much hopes on this, I'll try to build it for ubuntu to start with ;)
[13:17] <daedeloth> so... any thoughts on how to get packages on debian? or is that a big no-no here?
[13:18] <cjwatson> Setting up sbuild locally isn't too hard
[13:18] <daedeloth> but I want to have an apt repository where the files can be pulled from
[13:20] <cjwatson> Right, so you'd feed the output to reprepro.  There may be some publicly-available PPA-like service elsewhere that will do it all for you, but I don't know of one