[22:51] <Flannel> bartmon: Because OOo3 won't ever officially be in Intrepid.  It was released too late in the development cycle (after being delayed a few times).  It'll be in -backports at some point, and the PPA should be back up sometime this week.
 What are your clients needs, and then I can reccommend the right thing
[22:52] <bartmon> Flannel, LjL: Thanks!
[22:52] <Lava> n8tuser, i really really dont know so much about ubuntu, so with the best will in the world, i cant follow. but isnt there a simple solution to just fix the damn thing?
[22:52] <n8tuser> alex_21-> a voice generator,  and also that can do text to speech
[22:52] <erUSUL> !info festival
[22:53] <qcjn> gnutron: it's not there in synaptic
[22:53] <n8tuser> Lava-> re-install, get the livecd in your hands (a working one)
[22:53] <n8tuser> as easiest
[22:53] <qcjn> gnutron: would you help me compile
[22:53] <Lava> n8tuser, ok, ill do that. what is the command to reinstall?
[22:53] <gnutron> qcjn: enable all your repositories and reload the list[s]
[22:53] <n8tuser> Lava you have to boot from the livecd or alternatecd to do a re-install
[22:54] <faemir> can someone explain how to change a read-only filesystem?
[22:54] <faemir> to non read only *
[22:54] <ikonia> faemir: depends on why it's read only
[22:54] <n8tuser> Lava-> and the third i told you is via debootstrap, but thats a bit of a hazzle
[22:54] <qcjn> gnutron: ok, but i think i enabled all the repositories
[22:54] <gnutron> qcjn: sure, look for a .deb on mdb's site or get the source code.
[22:54] <n8tuser> !install | lava
[22:54] <LjL> faemir: sudo mount -o remount,rw, but if it's read only there's probably a reason
[22:54] <erUSUL> faemir: sudo mount -o remount,rw /mount/point
[22:54] <en1gm4> why can't I install  php5-gd on my distro??? what could the reason be?
[22:54] <pebs> bartmon, http://tinyurl.com/6duf25 extract and do 'sudo dpkg -i *' on the DEBS folder an so on
[22:54] <Lava> n8tuser, ok ill check it out, thanks
[22:54] <en1gm4> why can't I install  php5-gd ?? what could the reason be? It say it is not installable
[22:54] <gnutron> qcjn: you'll be dealing with dependancies tho'
[22:54] <faemir> ikonia, well i'm trying to get my flashdrives to automount, but the walkthrough on the ntfs-3g website didn't work, the ubuntu help didn't help, and even root cannot have r/w =/
[22:55] <malcom2073> Question: is there an equivalant to "buildtools" or the Development Tools group of Fedoras?
[22:55] <gnutron> qcjn: i would stick to the repo's version if i were you, but you can try.
[22:55] <Flannel> en1gm4: Pastebin the following: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install php5-gd
[22:55] <LjL> malcom2073: i don't know what they are, but perhaps you're looking for...
 What do you mean voice generator. Also, I recommend Orca for Linux. Though not as good as Voiceover, it is OK. Don't waste your time with HQ voices, as they are broken now. Use eSpeak for best multy language suport. I run a Ubuntu blind users group on the forums. Also, don't give them KDE, gnome is much more accessible, and even then you have to be careful. Orca throuws a lot of Incaaessible errors when using Ksoftware and the
[22:55] <alex_21>  Like, and even probably with some gnome applications
[22:55] <LjL> !info build-essential | malcom2073
[22:55] <ikonia> faemir: are you sure the flash drive is using ntfs and not fat ?
[22:55] <n8tuser> alex_21-> my client is not visually impaired, but speech impaired and spastic.
[22:55] <malcom2073> I believe that would be it heh, thanks
[22:55] <pu154r> wich is the current php ubuntu 8.04.1 version? i need to know because i have to downgrade my 8.10 installation stupid segmentation fault
[22:55] <bartmon> pebs: I'm already downlaoding that same file :) Thanks thought!
[22:55] <LjL> en1gm4: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, as well as the exact error it gives you
[22:55] <faemir> ikonia, heh, whoops.
[22:56] <LjL> !info php5 hardy | pu154r
[22:56] <erUSUL> en1gm4: i have no problems here... maybe some probelm with repositories
[22:56] <erUSUL> en1gm4: check System>Admin>Software Sources
[22:56] <faemir> ikonia, okay I remounted as rw, but i cannot change it's permissions as it still says it's readonly filesystem and yet root can make files in it
[22:56] <rstat1> so how do anyone know why X can't find a compatible NVIDIA driver, even though one is installed?
[22:56] <johnny05> tar -cvzf --exclude="files" archive.tar.gz *
[22:56] <johnny05> confused
[22:56] <ikonia> faemir: that means it's been mounted with root as the "owner"
[22:56] <pebs> barcode, be sure to uninstall the previous OO first
[22:56] <faemir> ikonia, scrap that, i can't.
[22:56] <ikonia> faemir: fat32 has no permissions structure
[22:56] <johnny05> creates an archive called --exlude=files
[22:56] <pebs> barcode, sorry, that wasn't for you
[22:57] <crashsystems> I'm trying to get OpenOffice to use OpenJDK in Ubuntu. Does anyone know the path to OpenJDK?
[22:57] <faemir> ikonia, explain? turns out even root cannot write to it
[22:57] <pebs> bartmon, be sure to uninstall previous OO first
[22:57] <bartmon> pebs: that was probably for me. Will do
[22:57] <ikonia> faemir: 1.) what file system is on it, please be %100 certain
[22:57] <pebs> bartmon, ;)
[22:57] <n8tuser> Lava are you also dual booting?
[22:57] <malcom2073> Hm, nope that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a way to install commonly used build tools (libtool, autoconf, gcc, etc) as a group, or do I have to manually install each I need?
 There are plenty of packages like that. Google Linux Accessiblity, and there is a list of the access software listed for and by categy
[22:57] <LjL> johnny05, the "--exclude" must come *before* the -cvzf. the "f" in "cvzf" means "the next argument is a filename"
[22:57] <faemir> ikonia, fat16
[22:57] <alex_21> Category on one of the pages
[22:57] <faemir> ikonia, unless fdisk is lying
[22:57] <Lava> n8tuser, if you mean i have multiple versions of ubuntu on my pc, then yes
[22:57] <johnny05> ah, thanks
[22:57] <erUSUL> johnny05: the tar filename maust be after the f option
[22:58] <LjL> johnny05: so tar --exclude="files" -cvzf archive.tar.gz *
[22:58] <ikonia> faemir: fdisk doesn't tell you the file system
[22:58] <faemir> ikonia, , fdisk -l does
[22:58] <ikonia> faemir: fdisk just tells you the partition type
[22:58] <gnutron> malcom2073: you were answered, install build-essential gives you the toos you'll need.
[22:58] <ikonia> faemir: no it doesn't
[22:58] <faemir> ... oh.
[22:58] <erUSUL> johnny05: also i do not think you need the "" on the --exclude pattern
 I used to use JASW, Tried Window-eyes for a while, NVDA in a VM, but Voiceover is the besst. The fact that it is free anc comes built in to Leopard really helps too
[22:58] <LjL> malcom2073: yes, it's what you're looking for, because it's exactly what you have described.
[22:58] <n8tuser> alex_21-> biggest issue right now, is how to enter the info for the client, being spastic, cant zero in on an icon easily
[22:58] <qcjn> gnutron: #qcjn
[22:58] <faemir> ikonia, okay, well mount says that it is vfat
[22:58] <alex_21> Try with FN + F1/F2 and see if that gets the native job to work
[22:58] <ikonia> faemir: ok, thats good
[22:58] <pluma> Is it safe to put /lib on another partition and mount it via fstab? My root partition is too small and /lib is a whopping 500 MB.
[22:58] <LjL> !compile > malcom2073    (malcom2073, see the private message from ubottu)
[22:59] <malcom2073> Odd, I did an install and it said I already had it installed and up to date, but it's missing libtool and autoconf at the minimum. I'll go google to see what all build-essentials includes
[22:59] <rstat1> so how do anyone know why X can't find a compatible NVIDIA driver?
[22:59] <ikonia> faemir: so fat file systems have no permissions, so the norm is either a.) it's mounted read only b.) you need to mount it as a "user" owner c.) you need to chmod 777 it
[22:59] <malcom2073> and I'll check out that link
[22:59] <malcom2073> thanks
[22:59] <ikonia> rstat1: there isn't one ?
 Slow down the mouse movement
[22:59] <ikonia> rstat1: you used tools like envy ?
[22:59] <LjL> pluma: i wouldn't do it, there's the kernel modules in there. /usr/lib, on the other hand, could be moved
[22:59] <rstat1> Didn't use envy
[22:59] <faemir> ikonia, i cannot 777 it cause it's readonly though :S
[22:59] <zsquareplusc> faemir: did you check the output of dmesg for "read only" messages?
[22:59] <pluma> I've already put /usr, /var, /home and /tmp on seperate partitions, but / is still too big
[22:59] <rstat1> and Hardware drivers says there is one enabled and in use
[22:59] <ikonia> rstat1: ok, so you need to either a.) mount it rw b.) mount it as a user owner
[22:59] <Flannel> pluma: Why don't you just make / bigger?
[22:59] <ikonia> !fat
[22:59] <jacob__> hey
[23:00] <faemir> zsquareplusc, [ 3038.116794]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) O_o
[23:00] <n8tuser> alex_21-> yeah, im training him on that, thats the only pc they have at home, so switching back n forth between other users, kind of throws of the settings
[23:00] <rstat1> How would I do that Ikonia?
[23:00] <ikonia> rstat1: then your using the driver
[23:00] <alex_21> I recovered my server, but now I want to go onto my site. When I go onto it, only the page I was on it before it crashed doesn't work. I tried running it with "perl user-manager.cgi" and it just hangs in Terminal
[23:00] <LjL> pluma: also, 500MB for /lib sounds like a bit much. don't you happen to have a few kernels (and their modules) installed that you don't really need?
[23:00] <ikonia> rstat1: if it's enabled and in use, your using it
[23:00] <malcom2073> Ah that explains that, I'll have to  manually install alot of this stuff.
[23:00] <malcom2073> Thanks
[23:00] <pluma> Flannel: can't. I didn't know much but "more partitions = better" when I installed Linux a few years ago and hence my hda is shite.
[23:00] <rstat1> I am, but after X fails
[23:00] <LjL> malcom2073: err... NO
[23:00] <en1gm4> LjL: here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m208cb835
[23:01] <jacob__> i need help i am in ubuntu and i want to enable my Nvidia card but if i do i use my main monitor after reboot. my main monitor is broken (its a laptop) what doi do so it uses external monitor?
[23:01] <pluma> LjL: I think I do. I get quite a selection on booting. How do I remove them then?
[23:01] <LjL> malcom2073: what i'm saying is that you should "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to AUTOMATICALLY get gcc, autotools, etc, etc, installed
[23:01] <n8tuser> alex_21-> anyhow, those tips are a good start..let see what i can do with them
[23:01] <faemir> ikonia, so how can i mount it as a user owner?
[23:01] <ikonia> !fat > faemir
[23:02] <rstat1> everytime I reboot X fails to start saying it can't initialize the NVIDIA graphics device, the log then says an NVIDIA compatible X driver doesn't exist
[23:02] <zsquareplusc> faemir: sounds like it's not well. it might be usefule to un checkdisk (on windlows) over it (if fsck.vfat)
[23:02] <LjL> pluma: "dpkg -l | grep linux" will list them. then you can remove them with just "sudo apt-get remove". just don't remove the latest one...
[23:02] <ikonia> rstat1: how can that be when your using one
[23:02] <rstat1> idk
[23:02] <UbuntuUser> i need help i am in ubuntu and i want to enable my Nvidia card but if i do i use my main monitor after reboot. my main monitor is broken (its a laptop) what doi do so it uses external monitor?
[23:02] <rstat1> I'm current running Ubuntu in low graphics mode.
[23:02] <rstat1> if you want to see the log I can show you
[23:03] <UbuntuUser> ok
[23:03] <Al1> n8tuser: are we ready to go?
[23:03] <ikonia> rstat1: what vard do you have ?
[23:03] <pluma> Flannel: My hda looks like this: 200 GiB (ntfs), 2 GiB (swap), 2 GiB (/), 1 GiB (unused), 20 GiB (/usr), 8 GiB (/home) -- sadly the last three are on an extended partition, so I can't use them.
[23:03] <rstat1> vard?
[23:03] <faemir> ikonia, how can i use the mount command as a normal user? ._.
[23:03] <rstat1> I have a GF6600
 There is a program that will slow down the mouse ou can runa s that user when you log in.
[23:03] <ikonia> faemir: read the url ubottu sent you
[23:03] <n8tuser> Al1-> yeah.. go ahead and start the dvd, and before you click on install let me know
[23:03] <ikonia> faemir: and it's not use the command as a normal user, it's mount the disk so it's owned by a normal user
[23:03] <Dillizar> what was the line for installing flash??
[23:04] <Flannel> pluma: Do you use all of your Swap? (Hibernation, whatever?)
[23:04] <Flannel> pluma: if not, you can make / 4G (swap + /) and then use your 1G unused as swap
[23:04] <Flannel> pluma: Or shrink your /usr by 1G to go back up to 2G swap
[23:04] <Dillizar> sudo apt-get flash-nonfree?
[23:04] <pluma> LjL: linux-image-N.N.NN-NN-386?
[23:04] <Flannel> pluma: (or make a swap file, etc), that's what I'd do in your situation I think.
[23:04] <n8tuser> alex_21-> yeah i have to teach them how to manage the resources, kids forget whose logged in before and they just reset the settings
 There is a program that will slow down the mouse you can run as that user when you log into their account
[23:05] <snuitje> Dillizar: sudo apt-get install <package>
[23:05] <LjL> en1gm4: from the update output, your repositories seem pretty messed up (you have -proposed enabled? that's generally NOT a good idea!). pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list too.
[23:05] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: you miss the word "install" in between these two
[23:05] <Al1> n8tuser: gimme a sec wanna make sure im done with these college apps
[23:05] <faemir> ikonia, the script link is dead, and how is adding it to fstab going to help automounting? :S
[23:05] <snuitje> Dillizar: you can let firefox do it for you as well
[23:05] <en1gm4> LjL: here it is: http://rafb.net/p/EAWQQi50.html , yest they are messed up, can you give me yours? :P
[23:05] <ikonia> faemir: fstab is an automounted
[23:06] <LjL> pluma: examples - linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-21-generic  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-generic  linux-headers-2.6.24-21-generic
[23:06] <UbuntuUser>  how can i enable my nvidia card and still use my external monitor? my laptop screen is broken
[23:06] <faemir> ikonia, but I want to be able to plug in random flash drives and it works - at the moment I have 3 and they all give the same error
[23:06] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: plug your monitor in at boot time and it should be able to auto detect it
[23:06] <Dillizar> snuitje, but its not flash-nonfree its something else and i dont remember
[23:06] <alex_21> I figured out why my thing won't run that perl file
[23:06] <LjL> en1gm4: even if i give you mine, that won't remove any already installed "bad" packages you have... i'll change that list so it at least works, anyway
[23:06] <ikonia> faemir: well, for automounting thats not great because your using a file system with no permissions,
[23:06] <rstat1> X log right after it failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/78481/
[23:07] <en1gm4> LjL: :O
 I have a problem. Now that I have an interface running, I can't access Zimbra
[23:07] <UbuntuUser> ikonia i tried that everytime i did that it went to main monitor and i had to reinstall ubuntu to get to this point
[23:07] <Al1> n8tuser: alright lets go
[23:07] <faemir> ikonia, well it works for any others devices I've plugged in =/
[23:07] <snuitje> Dillizar: what do you want
[23:07] <ikonia> faemir: other fat file system devices ?
[23:07] <Dillizar> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree snuitje
[23:07] <n8tuser> alex_21-> what is zimbra? thats running on ubuntu server?
[23:07] <faemir> ikonia, well, one was ntfs and the other was an ipod whatever format they are
[23:08] <n8tuser> Al1->  go ahead and start the dvd, and before you click on install let me know
[23:08] <ikonia> faemir: ok, so not fat
[23:08] <snuitje> Dillizar: and whats the problem
[23:08] <ikonia> faemir: hence the problem
[23:08] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: how are you installing ubuntu if you can't use the laptop monitor ?
[23:08] <Dillizar> snuitje,flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version. but i cant still open a flash on mozilla
[23:08] <pluma> Flannel: Can I do that while logged in or should I do it from a boot CD?
[23:09] <faemir> ikonia, so what is the solution manual mounting?
[23:09] <snuitje> Dillizar: try about:plugins in moz and see if shockwave flash is listed
[23:09] <ikonia> faemir: there should be a config file for hal to say all fat devices mount as user, but I don't know that config off the top of my head
[23:09] <snuitje> !flash | Dillizar
[23:09] <UbuntuUser> ok this is what happeneds. i enable then asks to reboot i reboot and then it loads up to the loading bar and then it says no signal. so i pop cd in reboot and my computer detects and well i get to reinstall
[23:09] <faemir> ikonia, feel free to have a look :P
[23:10] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: you enable what ?
[23:10] <distefam> I'm dual booting mac osx and ubuntu on my macbook pro. I currently have a hard drive containing all of my media files (music, movies, etc.) and would like to be able to read/write from both systems. Right now it is formatted as HFS+ which doesn't allow writing from linux, what filesystem could I format it as?
[23:10] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: how are you doing this with no monitor ?
[23:10] <UbuntuUser> my nvidia driver
[23:10] <bartmon> pebs: Have you installed OOo3 this way? What did you do about the lack of desktop integration (shortcuts)?
[23:10] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: you didn't say that, you said your laptop monitor was broke and couldn't use it
[23:10] <UbuntuUser> no it detects it at first and then says no signal
[23:11] <LjL> en1gm4: try this (i've added some commentary on the repositories i've removed) http://paste.ubuntu.com/78482/
[23:11] <ikonia> !nvidia > UbuntuUser
[23:11] <en1gm4> LjL: i'll try them now, ty
[23:11] <LjL> en1gm4: when you've changed it, do "sudo apt-get update" and then try again installing php5-gd
 Zimbra is an opensource Colaboration Server From Yahoo
[23:12] <fr500> how can i disable pulseaudio?
[23:12] <rstat1> so my problem isn't fixable?
[23:12] <Al1> n8tuser: i cant boot from the disk
[23:12] <Al1> n8tuser: it just crashes
[23:13] <UbuntuUser> i need to change to xorg.conf so i can use both monitors
[23:13] <ikonia> !dualhead > UbuntuUser
[23:13] <n8tuser> Al1-> then you either deal with what you have, or get a livecd for re-installation?
[23:14] <johnsie> hi
[23:14] <alex_21> The Zimbra channel is dead it seems
[23:14] <alex_21> I can't get help with why my Ubuntu Zimbra server won't connect to the internet
[23:15] <alex_21> And it won't receive mail
[23:15] <J172> Well
[23:15] <Al1> n8tuser: thats what im looking for right now
[23:16] <tpw_rules> n8tuser: i got it to work under hardy! i found a guide on the ubuntu wiki on how to set up your new aspire one for ubuntu
[23:17] <Al1> n8tuser: im in a catch 22, it seems the livecd is for PC...
[23:17] <distefam> is it possible to have ubuntu autodetect a second monitor when it is plugged into a DVI port?
[23:17] <beilabs> Is it possible to have local addresses not use a proxy?
[23:17] <n8tuser> tpw_rules-> so everything is resolved now?
[23:17] <jb23fan> was wondering if anyone could help me to install ubuntu 8.10 on a 3 disk raid 0 array?
[23:17] <beilabs> when a proxy is set?
[23:17] <tpw_rules> n8tuser: yeah, but thanks for your help anyway
[23:17] <n8tuser> Al1-> what do you have? a non intel/amd  machine?
[23:17] <J172> alex_21: make sure your MX records are set up crrectly
[23:18] <n8tuser> tpw_rules-> what did it took to get it working?
[23:18] <erUSUL> jb23fan: what kind of array? fakeraid ?
[23:18] <Al1> n8tuser: no i have intel
[23:18] <jb23fan> using onboard intel raid chip, not sure if this is considered "fake"
[23:18] <tpw_rules> n8tuser: hardy, ndiswrapper and the appropriate drivers
[23:18] <n8tuser> Al1-> pc are intel..so what do you meant livecd is for pc?
[23:19] <Al1> n8tuser: i thought pc meant like window
[23:19] <Al1> s
[23:19] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know how to get openoffice to recognize a formula that it otherwise wouldnt?
[23:19] <n8tuser> tpw_rules-> great..you didnt have to compile your own driver?
[23:19] <tpw_rules> n8tuser: no
[23:19] <zsquareplusc> my problem with running 2 X servers is, that the primary screen is on the wrong plug (analog instead of DVI) whre can i change that
[23:19] <jb23fan> the installer sees my raid array disks as seperate
[23:19] <n8tuser> Al1-> nope
[23:19] <erUSUL> jb23fan: it is... if you only use linux on the machine it is better to use the linux software raid
[23:20] <LjL> Al1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC
[23:20] <Al1> n8tuser: well this is gonna take a while im dling now...
[23:20] <erUSUL> !fakeraid | jb23fan but anyway
[23:20] <tpw_rules> Al1: pc is a generic term for a non-mac personal computer
[23:20] <en1gm4> ty LjL :D
[23:20] <jb23fan> erUSUL: I am trying to keep windows vista in the mix as well
[23:20] <erUSUL> jb23fan: see the fakeraid how to
[23:20] <GodfatherofEire> Like, getting it to recognize User-defined formulae
[23:20] <n8tuser> Al1-> okay good luck
[23:20] <J172> [23:20] <jb23fan> Thanks
[23:20] <andrewfree> ok, so im using a emerald theam and i can get it working by typing in emerald --replace in the command line, but as soon as i close that shell all my stuff that changed with the theame is gone
[23:20] <Al1> n8tuser: ty
[23:20] <andrewfree> as in there is no buttons on the top to close, move, and resize windows
[23:20] <LjL> !away > J172    (J172, see the private message from ubottu)
[23:21] <Dillizar> !yum
[23:21] <en1gm4> !help
[23:21] <esay> ubottu   what is yum ?
[23:22] <LjL> !bot > esay    (esay, see the private message from ubottu)
[23:22] <erUSUL> esay: yum is a system like apt but for rpm packages
[23:22] <erUSUL> !rpm > esay
[23:22] <PovAddict> how do I burn a .img DVD image?
[23:22] <esay> yes yes yes sorry
[23:22] <erUSUL> esay: offtopic here if you ask me
[23:22] <PovAddict> it was created by iDVD on Mac
[23:22] <erUSUL> PovAddict: right click on it choose burn to disk
[23:22] <bartmon> esay: yum is a fronend to rpm in other distributions like Fedore. Ubuntu is Debian based so it uses dpkg ant apt-* tools like apt-get
[23:23] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know how to get OpenOffice.org to recognize a user defined function /formula?
[23:23] <Dillizar> esay, it was my question :P
[23:23] <PovAddict> erUSUL: no such option
[23:23] <PovAddict> if I go to Burn image on k3b it only lets me select .iso or .cue
[23:23] <bobbob1016> How do I restart my sound server?  I'm getting no sound anywhere
[23:23] <jb23fan> I found the solution thanks to your link erUSUL - Thank you very much
[23:23] <PovAddict> or cdrdao TOC files
[23:23] <PovAddict> but not .imb
[23:23] <erUSUL> jb23fan: no problem
[23:23] <PovAddict> img*
[23:24] <Dillizar> i have installed the flash plug in for mozilla but still i cant open youtube
[23:24] <PovAddict> I was even looking at the manpages of cdrdao and wodim
[23:24] <PovAddict> (I have recorded .isos from the command line befor)
[23:24] <alex_21> It used to work, ad yes, my MX is set up fine. What ports do I need to forward to it?
[23:24] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: you restarted FF?
[23:25] <erUSUL> PovAddict: the img shoulb be in equivalent to an iso image so just changing the extension "should work"... do not take my work thought i do not know if iDVD makes some kind of weird image format
[23:25] <Dillizar> yes zsquareplusc
[23:25] <snuitje> Dillizar: do you have ubuntu 32bit or 64bit?
[23:25] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: you get some error? do you have an extension installed that filters ads/flash?
[23:25] <PovAddict> well, it's a DVD-RW, so I won't lose anything by trying :)
[23:25] <ZeZu> anyone know what package gmp.h is in ?
[23:26] <Tekno> header file
[23:26] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, nope nothing not extension and no errors
[23:26] <PovAddict> ZeZu: apt-file search gmp.h
[23:26] <Dillizar> snuitje, 32
[23:26] <zsquareplusc> ZeZu: use packages.ubuntu.org find in packages
[23:26] <erUSUL> ZeZu: probably libgmp-dev or something like that
[23:26] <erUSUL> !find gmp
[23:26] <PovAddict> although it finds nothing here
[23:26] <sharperguy> Is it yet possible to have a custom scrolling message as a screensaver?
[23:26] <ZeZu> hmm, thanks
[23:26] <snuitje> zezu: libgmp3-dev
[23:26] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: about:plugins in address bar, is it listing the plugin?
[23:26] <PovAddict> hmm
[23:27]  * PovAddict thinks his apt-file database is incomplete
[23:27] <ZeZu> !find mpfr
[23:27] <erUSUL> ZeZu: you can use "apt-cache search keyword" on your own system
[23:28] <Danz0rz> Hmm, just came here to find out a few things about Ubuntu - But found it all in the Wiki, have a nice day ^^
[23:28] <snuitje> goodday, danz0rz
[23:28] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, i dotn know? what are you asking from me
[23:29] <VistaUser> ty ikinoa
[23:29] <PovAddict> ok now apt-file does find gmp.h :)
[23:29] <nydoc> Can someone help me connect my wireless laptop to my linksys router? The wireless card is recognized. The driver is loaded but the router is not recognized.
[23:29] <SOURdiesel> i don't understand why the power manager for the display only works sometimes
[23:29] <bullium> nydoc, is your router broadcasting the SSID?
[23:30] <allen> I have no pass word aside from user 1. how to create or 2 how to get to root at local host
[23:30] <nydoc> Yes it is
[23:30] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: with about:plugins in the address bar, a special page is shown by firefox. it informs you about the installed plugins.
[23:30] <sanmarcos-mobile> Hello
[23:30] <scoobymad555_> need to create a "/dev/video1" tied to my win-tv usb stick using v4l2. Assuming i need to use modprobe but not sure of syntax .... any suggestions? :) (confusing matters is a dvb-s card already installed and appearing on /dev/video0)
[23:30] <archangelpetro> there a way to turn off the 'stack smashing' defense in ubuntu?
[23:30] <sanmarcos-mobile> Bello nos
[23:31] <bullium> nydoc, and your laptop doesn't show it in a list of available networks?
[23:31] <meistergrado1> Anybody having problems with Autodetect/ALSA sound in 8.10 x64? All I get is crackly static/feedback, unless I use OSS in Amarok.
[23:31] <sanmarcos-mobile> H
[23:31] <nydoc> it shows the card and the ssid entered
[23:32] <bullium> nydoc, do you have any type of security exp. WEP/WPA1 or 2 also are you using MAC address filtering?
[23:32] <erUSUL> !root | allen
[23:33] <nydoc> yes wep hexidecimal
[23:33] <allen> ok thanks
[23:34] <Konsole> Dont be silly... wrap your willy
[23:34] <bullium> nydoc, have you tried disabling the security temporarily to see if your laptop can connect that way...this will help determine if the problem is with the security or not
[23:34] <nydoc> Yes and it made no difference
[23:35] <Konsole> Practice safe sex young grasshopper
[23:35] <Konsole> :D
[23:35] <Flannel> Konsole: Please stop
[23:35] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, ?? are you here
[23:35] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: yes
[23:36] <LjL> archangelpetro: i think that can only be done when compiling a program
[23:36] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, i dont know what you want me to do ?
[23:36] <alex_21> How do you find a list of available networks in Gnome?
[23:37] <erUSUL> alex_21: click on network manager icon
[23:37] <heret1c> !backup
[23:37] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: i tried to explain it two times :/  you should check if firefox picks up the plugin in about:plugins
[23:37] <whta1> keyboard shortcuts aren't detecting my laptop multimedia buttons
[23:37] <scoobymad555_> anyone? help with modprobe? ... please? lol!
[23:37] <VistaUser> is there a system restore or something on ubuntu?
[23:38] <Konsole> VistaUser, uh no
[23:38] <Fezzler> Can I program in Python using Ubuntu?
[23:38] <VistaUser> oo kk
[23:38] <Konsole> VistaUser, however you can reinstall ;o
[23:38] <Flannel> Fezzler: of course
[23:38] <zsquareplusc> scoobymad555_: you have 2 tv cards? or is the USB one the DVB stick?
[23:38] <VistaUser> lol
[23:38] <LjL> Fezzler: uh... of course
[23:38] <Gracenotes> speaking of reinstalling... is there an advised way to transfer one's home directory on Ubuntu to another computer, in order to transfer it back again after a complete reinstall?
[23:38] <Flannel> !backup | VistaUser
[23:38] <Gracenotes> ~ being in the order of 25 GB in this case
[23:38] <mib_nz3z45> Anyone here ever had any success connecting to AT&T Mobile Broadband in Ubuntu.  Thinkpad can see the Ericsson F3507g Mobile Broadband Minicard just refuses to connect.
[23:38] <Surlent777> um, is there anyone who is willing to try and help me get a wireless card working?
[23:38] <heret1c> whta1: check synaptic and see if your lappy is supported.
[23:39] <VistaUser> how do i use terminal to get compiz-fusion?
[23:39] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, there are not there !!
[23:39] <Fezzler> Is Python program better for noob than Java?
[23:39] <erUSUL> Gracenotes: rsync with a GB network connection XD
[23:39] <LjL> Gracenotes: use tar
[23:39] <zsquareplusc> Fezzler: yes, i'd say so
[23:39] <scoobymad555_> zsquareplusc: have one dvb-s tunercard and one dvb-t usb stick - the dvb-s has no feed into it at the moment. trying to capture stream from dvb-t usb stick
[23:39] <LjL> !offtopic | Fezzler
[23:39] <ardchoille> !compiz | VistaUser
[23:39] <russ_> how do you shut down an instance of a running program that is minimized and will not maximize?
[23:39] <Konsole> VistaUser, if you go to their main website theirs a wiki that gives you all of that information
[23:39] <archangelpetro> ljL do you know what switch will do that?
[23:39] <Fezzler> I've programmed in BASIC, Pascal and Marcromedia Lingo script.  Wanting to get back into it.
[23:39] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: hm.. so the install went wrong somehow
[23:39] <Konsole> VistaUser, just select the distrobution
[23:39] <VistaUser> ok
[23:39] <Flannel> VistaUser: What version of Ubuntu do you have?
[23:40] <Gracenotes> erUSUL: ah, thanks. unfortunately I don't have a network connection :)
[23:40] <VistaUser> 8.10
[23:40] <mcrawfor> i have an smbfs mount in fstab - it doesn't mount at boot but mount -a works
[23:40] <mcrawfor> any clues?
[23:40] <Flannel> VistaUser: you already have compiz fusion then
[23:40] <Gracenotes> I don't even have a working GUI
[23:40] <Konsole> VistaUser, ah hardy u alrdy have it
[23:40] <erUSUL> Gracenotes: so how do you plan to move the 25 GiB ??
[23:40] <Fezzler> LjL Well, a little off topic but I wasn't sure if Ubuntu was a good op to program in
[23:40] <Surlent777> 8.10 is Intrepid, isn't it?
[23:40] <VistaUser> but were is the settings to toggle with the effects?
[23:40] <Flannel> Surlent777: yes
[23:40] <zsquareplusc> scoobymad555_: me-tv is a nice app for DVB-T not sure if it works for -S too. if you're stick is recognised should be visible by the messages in "dmesg" output
[23:40] <Flannel> !ccsm | VistaUser
[23:40] <alex_21> I don't see the network manager. What menu is it in?
[23:41] <VistaUser> ok ty
[23:41] <Gracenotes> erUSUL: eh... I've made a tarball of my home directory, split it up into 2 GB pieces, and loaded each piece onto my flash drive, one at a time
[23:41] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, maybeeee you are right cuz when i sudo it the first time there were some errors i will reinstall it
[23:41] <Gracenotes> I'm not sure it's the best way
[23:41] <LjL> archangelpetro: yes, -fno-stack-protector
[23:41] <Gracenotes> but it seems to be the only one way I can think of :/
[23:41] <erUSUL> Gracenotes: ok; then it is already done :)
[23:41] <Gracenotes> well, it's still going on
[23:41] <archangelpetro> thanks ljL
[23:41] <Surlent777> so, is there anyone who is willing to try and help me get a wireless card working?
[23:41] <Gracenotes> for the past 4 hours
[23:41] <usser> !info wbar
[23:42] <Gracenotes> in case this happens in the future, I'm hoping to be better prepared
[23:42] <usser> somebody should package wbar that for ubuntu
[23:42] <ardchoille> Is there a method of voting so the users can help decide which apps go into the release/repos?
[23:42] <dcs> how can i find which pkg does a binary belong to?
[23:42] <Flannel> ardchoille: File needs packaging bugs.  Or package them yourself (see #ubuntu-motu)
[23:43] <alex_21> I will help with the wireless if I can. I'm having a provlem with mine though
[23:43] <Flannel> dcs: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[23:43] <scoobymad555_> zsquareplusc: dmesg is showing the stick is recognised and it works with me-tv, kaffeine, mplayer etc. problem is that i want to multicast the stream to lan but kaffeine and me-tv suck at it lol! trying to use ffmpeg instead but can't find the appropriate place to point it
[23:43] <ardchoille> Flannel: Thank you
[23:43] <erUSUL> dcs: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[23:43] <erUSUL> dcs: dpkg -S $(which binary)
[23:43] <perlsyntax> Has anyone got python 2,6 wroking on unbuntu?
[23:44] <dcs> thanks. and what command to see what binaries a pkg contains?
[23:44] <zsquareplusc> scoobymad555_: dvbstream. i also used vlc to steam, esp. if you wan to scale before streaming
[23:44] <erUSUL> dcs: dpkg -L | grep bin
[23:44] <Flannel> dcs: dpkg -L package
[23:44] <barnebie> !install
[23:44] <erUSUL> dcs: dpkg -L package | grep bin
[23:44] <whta1> i just upgraded my laptop to intrepid and the volume control on the keyboard stopped working. trying to set them as keyboard shortcuts doesn't do anything.
[23:44] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, if i sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin- mozilla-plugin-vlc will it work :P
[23:45] <aelis> hello
[23:45] <jimbofoxman> I trying to install a printer on 8.10 Intrepid..............cups isn't up, not sure which drivers I need
[23:45] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: i dont think that will play flash videos. you need the flash plugin for that
[23:45] <scoobymad555_> zsquareplusc: vlc wont pick up the device :(  it doesn't appear to tie to a v4l2 dev output? :S haven't tried dvbstream yet.
[23:45] <SanoSan> Anyone tell me an apt-get for a decent Audio/Video player?   Anyway, could anyone help me with getting a wireless card working properly? It's a Linksys wmp54g with a rt2561 chipset...
[23:46] <erUSUL> !player | SanoSan
[23:46] <russ_> how do I force an app to quit?
[23:46] <SanoSan> Wow, thank you ^_^
[23:46] <erUSUL> russ_: xkill and then click on it
[23:46] <Surlent7> russ_: killall appname
[23:46] <Surlent7> or that
[23:47] <SanoSan> erUSUL, any recommendations?
[23:47] <captain_>  am having issues with resolution now that I got a 42" lcd and nvidia video card, I am missing bout 5% of my screen on all sides when in 1920x1080
[23:47] <jimbofoxman> I trying to install a printer on 8.10 Intrepid..............cups isn't up, not sure which drivers I need...........what am I doing wrong..........other than being a noob
[23:47] <Konsole> SanoSan: i prefer audacious ;)
[23:47] <EJ> !Surlent7 | ndiswrapper
[23:47] <russ_> srulent7: thanks
[23:47] <Surlent7> heh
[23:47] <Surlent7> EJ: Tried that
[23:47] <EJ> !ndiswrapper | Surlent7
[23:47] <perlsyntax> hello
[23:47] <erUSUL> SanoSan: i'm using banshee/ryhthmbox for music and mainly mplayer for video vlc is nice too
[23:48] <EJ> Surlent7: what happened ?
[23:48] <Surlent7> I prefer Totem and Xine. Xine especially for DVD's
[23:49] <Surlent7> EJ: I installed the proper Windows driver, and that caused the little bar thing to appear telling you it's on. I then activated the gnome panel applet for networks, and switched from eth to wlan0. It says it's connected to the router, but is unable to get online.
[23:49] <jimbofoxman> anyone have a canon ip4500 printer?
[23:49] <rodserling> dude naughty
[23:49] <EJ> Surlent7: have you set dns server in /etc/resolv.conf
[23:50] <Surlent7> And the gtk ndiswrapper says that the hardware is present, and lspci shows it clearly
[23:50] <ryushe> hi, where can I find any screensaver configuration tool in Gnome? I know KDE has one, but I can't find one for Gnome :/
[23:50] <mib_nz3z45> has anyone had any luck getting ubuntu connected to 3G
[23:50] <Tekno> Surlent777: does anything happen if you type "sudo dhclient"
[23:50] <erUSUL> ryushe: system>Preferences>screensaver
[23:50] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: me
[23:50] <Surlent7> ej: I set the appropriate things in the new network manager, though I notice that it likes to take the WPA passphrase and replace it with some huge crazy thing
[23:50] <ryushe> erUSUL: that's only choosing, not configuring
[23:50] <Surlent7> Tekno one sec
[23:51] <EJ> Surlent7: can you pull up a web page by ip address instead of domain name
[23:51] <mib_nz3z45> could you tell me how you did it or point me in the right direction
[23:51] <captain_> anyone have an idea why I cant see about 5% of my screen? Like the title bars and I can only see the top of AWN
[23:51] <Surlent7> Tekno a whole buncha readout
[23:51] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: I did use wvdial
[23:51] <Surlent7> EJ: How would I do that?
[23:51] <nbeebo> how can i change gamma on my screen_
[23:51] <Surlent7> EJ: I've tried pinging google and such to no avail as well
[23:51] <EJ> Surlent7: <IP_ADDRESS> <------- www.google.com ip address
[23:52] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: difficult part was to get correct settings to /etc/wvdial.conf but once done, works great
[23:52] <dr_willis> captain lcd or crt Monitor? DVI or vga connection?
[23:52] <david__> hello
[23:52] <nbeebo> how do i change my screens brightness?
[23:52] <dr_willis> captain_,  lcd or crt Monitor? DVI or vga connection?
[23:52] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: I do connecting by simply "wvdial &" (from desktop icon)
[23:52] <Surlent7> EJ: It says Operation Not Permitted.
[23:52] <captain_> dr_willis LCD with DVI to HDMI
[23:53] <EJ> Surlent7: just copy the ip address and paste it in the address bar of firefox
[23:53] <dr_willis> captain_,  that is odd..  try the lcd monitor adjustments items/osd if it has one..
[23:53] <Surlent7> EJ: ok....
[23:53] <david__> Why does my port forwarding not work, this is iptables commands I run to set it up :
[23:53] <david__> echo "Flushing Stuff"
[23:53] <david__> iptables --flush
[23:53] <david__> iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[23:53] <david__> iptables -F INPUT
[23:53] <FloodBot3> david__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:53] <david__> iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[23:53] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, are you here
[23:53] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[23:53] <Dillizar> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[23:53] <nbeebo> so noone know how to change screens gamma
[23:54] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: you haev an older ubuntu?
[23:54] <Dillizar> yes
[23:54] <Dillizar> :D
[23:54] <Surlent7> EJ: It claims to be connecting to it but is just sitting there
[23:54] <mib_nz3z45> Tekno Trying to get a thinkpad with built in wlan tring to connect to AT&T.  Do you think I can accomplish this with wvdial
[23:54] <RollTide> is amarok the best sofware to use with ipod?
[23:54] <Gracenotes> !backup
[23:55] <Dillizar> RollTide, no
[23:55] <nbeebo> rolltide what is best? lol
[23:55] <EJ> Surlent7: open a terminal and type in sudo pico /etc/resolv.conf .... is there anything there ?
[23:55] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: wlan is not 3G
[23:55] <alex_21> Banshee is the best sotware for the IPod
[23:55] <zsquareplusc> Dillizar: adobe changed the file and the package was not updated. you have to install it manually or use a newer ubuntu
[23:55] <Dillizar> RollTide,  there is one called basheedo or smt like that
[23:55] <RollTide> what do you use?
[23:55] <nbeebo> how do u change gamma ubuntu?
[23:55] <Surlent7> EJ: I have nano, but no, there is nothing
[23:56] <Gracenotes> RollTide: I've found gtkpod the easiest to work with for getting files on the iPod, and getting them off (if you don't have an iPhone/iPod touch)
[23:56] <Dillizar> RollTide, i use smt that looks liek winamp
[23:56] <nbeebo> and they say theres a good supporting community :/
[23:56] <EJ> Surlent7: ok you will needs to set nameservers here
[23:56] <Gracenotes> for playing the contents of your iPod, it's not convenient really
[23:56] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: but if you mean 3G like gprs...hsdpa etc, then wvdial is good way to go
[23:56] <Surlent7> EJ: Not sure I know exactly what those are
[23:56] <captain_> dr_willis hmm, no such luck...
[23:56] <Gracenotes> playback is the secondary feature really
[23:56] <EJ> Surlent7 : 1 sec i am pulling mine up
[23:57] <nbeebo> how do u change the gamma? i cant find anything on google
[23:57] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, there are no new ubuntu :P
[23:57] <dr_willis> captain_,  could try to change the refresh rate.. but with lcd's and digital connections ive never had to twiddle with them much.. VGA - i have had to tinker with that.
[23:57] <mib_nz3z45> Tekno I am trying to connect to my AT&T Mobile Broadband account.  I Connect to 3G all the time in windows.  I just can't seem to get it going in ubuntu
[23:57] <zsquareplusc> !version > Dillizar
[23:57] <EJ> Surlent7: can i pm you for a sec
[23:57] <Surlent7> EJ: Go ahead
[23:57] <Dillizar> zsquareplusc, they dont work
[23:58] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: apt-get install wvdial (if you haven't it)
[23:58] <Sepe> what do you think about Scpektra linux ?
[23:58] <zsquareplusc> nbeebo: do you have an nvidia card. it has a settings application that supports gamma
[23:58] <Tekno> mib_nz3z45: then fiddle with /etc/wvdial.conf (you may get correct answers from googleing settings of at&t)
[23:58] <nbeebo> zsquareplusc hmm never thought about it, i got ati screen manager software kinda, ill check thanks
[23:58] <mib_nz3z45> Tekno Thanks I will do that when I get near my WAP
[23:59] <RugB> I need help selecting the proper video card in my machine, it's a machine with two and ubuntu doesn't boot properly to the one my monitor is plugged into
[23:59] <nbeebo> zsquareplusc screen got blank when i started it but just ctrl-alt-f1 and back thanks bye


[00:32] <tim-tams> anyone here?
[00:32] <ahoneybun> tim-tams: yes?
[00:33] <tim-tams> I'm in desperate need of help with Broadcom drivers, I've been trying for WEEKS to get my wifi working...
[00:33] <tim-tams> I've followed every single tutorial online and nothing works
[00:33] <tim-tams> so I figured I should talk to someone personally
[00:33] <ahoneybun> run the command lspci
[00:34] <tim-tams> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[00:35] <tim-tams> ?
[00:35] <ahoneybun> looking
[00:36] <tim-tams> ok thanks
[00:37] <ahoneybun> tim-tams: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[00:37] <tim-tams> I believe I've already done this, but I'll just go with it so I can tell you exactly what happens
[00:38] <tim-tams> it told me to use the lpphy version, so I'm installing that
[00:39] <tim-tams> rebooting, I'll be back
[00:39] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:39] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:39] <ahoneybun> I see that
[00:39] <ahoneybun> lp-phy
[00:39] <FloodBotK1> ahoneybun: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:39] <tim-tams> yes
[00:39] <tim-tams> it just installed, do I need to reboot?
[00:40] <ahoneybun> reboot then see if it works with this command sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl
[00:40] <tim-tams> ok
[00:40] <ahoneybun> I'll be here
[00:44] <tim-tams> no dice
[00:44] <tim-tams> ifconfig still doesn't show wlan
[00:45] <Infester> Any recommendations for things to try doing on ubuntu?
[00:45] <tim-tams> ahoneybun
[00:47] <ahoneybun> Infester: what? task?>
[00:47] <ahoneybun> tasks?
[00:47] <ahoneybun> tim-tams: yes
[00:47] <Infester> Curing boredom
[00:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:47] <ahoneybun> sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl
[00:48] <tim-tams> i founf b43 in a blacklist file from bcmwl, I'm trying to uninstall that and remove blacklist
[00:48] <tim-tams> I tried that command and nothing happened
[00:48] <ahoneybun> no output?
[00:49] <tim-tams> nothing at all
[00:49] <tim-tams> from that command
[00:49] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:49] <ahoneybun> sudo modprobe wl
[00:49] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:50] <tim-tams> same thing, no output at all
[00:50] <tim-tams> would a blacklist make that happen? because I think I got rid of the blacklist and I can reboot and try again
[00:51] <ahoneybun> yea always reboot after you try something to know it that fixed it
[00:51] <ahoneybun> welll for this
[00:57] <tim-tams> would it be bad to delete all my blacklists in /etc/modprobe.d?
[00:58] <tim-tams> because i found blacklists for wl and some for b43 and i think basically all the drivers I tried are blocking each other
[00:59] <tim-tams> ahoneybun, thoughts?
[00:59] <ahoneybun> maybe not sure
[00:59] <ahoneybun> weird that it would do that
[01:00] <tim-tams> what command do I use in the terminal to delete a file?
[01:00] <tim-tams> I have an idea
[01:01] <ahoneybun> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/846
[01:01] <ahoneybun> try this first
[01:14] <tim-tams> ahoneybun, still nothing...
[01:15] <ahoneybun> oh
[01:15] <tim-tams> all I have is eth0 and lo
[01:15] <ahoneybun> oh
[01:15] <ahoneybun> ifconfig?
[01:16] <tim-tams> I deleted the blacklists that were blocking b43 and wl, and the only driver I have installed right now is b43 lpphy, but still no wifi
[01:16] <tim-tams> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:23:ae:1b:d4:3e
[01:16] <tim-tams>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:16] <tim-tams>           inet6 addr: fe80::223:aeff:fe1b:d43e/64 Scope:Link
[01:16] <tim-tams>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:16] <tim-tams>           RX packets:89 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:16] <FloodBotK1> tim-tams: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:16] <tim-tams>           TX packets:147 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:17] <tim-tams> thoughts?
[01:17] <ahoneybun> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/846
[01:18] <ahoneybun> sorry
[01:18] <ahoneybun> http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17112
[01:18] <tim-tams> I did that
[01:18] <tim-tams> oh
[01:18] <tim-tams> oh
[01:21] <tim-tams> daniel@daniel-Inspiron-1545:~$ sudo echo options b43 pio=1 qos=0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
[01:21] <tim-tams> bash: /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf: Permission denied
[01:22] <tim-tams> denied? why?
[01:23] <ahoneybun> cd -a /etc/modprobe.d
[01:23] <ahoneybun> no
[01:23] <ahoneybun> ls -a
[01:23] <tim-tams> then what?
[01:24] <ahoneybun> it will list the permission for that folder
[01:24] <ahoneybun> the files in it
[01:24] <tim-tams> it listed quite a bit
[01:24] <ahoneybun> wait
[01:25] <tim-tams> ok
[01:25] <ahoneybun> their is a command for listing permissions
[01:26] <ahoneybun> there
[01:26] <tim-tams> I'm confused
[01:26] <ahoneybun> the file has a different permission mayb
[01:26] <ahoneybun> e
[01:26] <ahoneybun> I wonder if you should use the su command
[01:26] <tim-tams> what file?
[01:26] <ahoneybun> to be root
[01:26] <ahoneybun> local.conf is a file
[01:27] <tim-tams> it won't authenticate me
[01:27] <ahoneybun> oh
[01:27] <tim-tams> which is wierd, because my password works when I use sudo
[01:28] <ahoneybun> sudo is a command to use root power
[01:28] <tim-tams> right
[01:28] <ahoneybun> su is to become root
[01:28] <tim-tams> isn't that what I want?
[01:29] <tim-tams> why does one work but not the other?
[01:29] <ahoneybun> different permissions (I think)
[01:29] <tim-tams> hmm
[01:29] <tim-tams> so what do I do?
[01:32] <tim-tams> this is so darn annoying, I've been working on it for ages
[01:33] <ahoneybun> looking
[01:33] <tim-tams> thanks
[01:35] <ahoneybun> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/218
[01:36] <ahoneybun> do not add the lines debian testing
[01:38] <Ludlow> Hello anyone alive?
[01:38] <tim-tams> it won't let me su, how do I get the right password for that?
[01:39] <Ludlow> anyone know where the default kde icons are located ?
[01:40] <ahoneybun> tim-tams: not sure tbh
[01:40] <tim-tams> ok
[01:40] <ahoneybun> Ludlow: where it is in the Kubuntu install?
[01:41] <Ludlow> yes
[01:41] <Ludlow> I'm trying to find the default icon for the file menu but cant find it
[01:42] <tim-tams> it said something like this: bad luck, the kernel headers were not found and you did not list any alternates
[01:42] <tim-tams> I couldn't copy paste it
[01:42] <ahoneybun> oh
[01:45] <ahoneybun> Ludlow: /usr/share/icons/default.kde4/
[01:47] <Ludlow> ahoneybun: thanks
[01:47] <ahoneybun> np
[01:52] <ahoneybun> http://www.1earthadventures.com/2012/06/21/techie-stuff/ubuntu-12-04-and-bcm4312-lp-phy-not-connecting-to-wireless/
[02:05] <smittie> Hello.
[02:05] <smittie> Looking for Krita help.
[02:19] <smittie> Question.
[02:19] <smittie> Probably a simple one.
[02:22] <daniel> what the actual fuck
[02:22] <Guest6200> my wifi is finally working, I love life
[02:27] <ahoneybun> smittie: sorry
[02:27] <ahoneybun> smittie: ask :)
[02:28] <smittie> I have a System76 desktop with an i7 Core cpu.
[02:28] <smittie> 8 gigs of mem
[02:28] <smittie> Should I be installing i386 or AMD64?
[02:28] <smittie> For my purposes, stability is more important than speed.
[02:29] <ahoneybun> uname -a
[02:29] <ahoneybun> run that then give me the outpit
[02:29] <ahoneybun> output
[02:29] <smittie>  3.5.0-32-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 29 20:23:04 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:29] <ahoneybun> AMD64
[02:30] <smittie> I have been installing the AMD64 but, I'm running into problem with Krita 2.6.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> what kinda
[02:30] <ahoneybun> kind?
[02:31] <smittie> I'm probably seeing bug 310310.
[02:31] <smittie> Hum, KDE 310310.
[02:31] <lorddelta> damn why is kde riddled with all these crashes =/
[02:32] <smittie> Other than Krita, the system runs quite stable.
[02:32] <smittie> I'm an Apple Fan Boy converting to Kubuntu... Maybe.
[02:32] <smittie> LordDelta: Right?
[02:32] <lorddelta> well I was experiencing bunches, but it has to do with my apt being outdated
[02:33] <smittie> I use Kubuntu 13.04 at work with no problems.
[02:33] <lorddelta> I'm hoping once it is all up to date it will be smooth sailing...
[02:33] <lorddelta> Its still better than what unity had to offer IMHO
[02:34] <lorddelta> At least it crashes but it does it in a modular way
[02:34] <smittie> Unity sucks.
[02:34] <smittie> I used Ubuntu up until 11.04.
[02:35] <lorddelta> 12.10
[02:35] <smittie> Switched to KDE and have been pretty happy since.
[02:35] <lorddelta> Then I became a KDE convert
[02:35] <smittie> I really like KDE.
[02:35] <smittie> If I have to switch distros to find a stable base for KDE, I'll do that.
[02:36] <lorddelta> Well I'm not sure how you'll take this but have you heard of Windows Red?
[02:36] <smittie> I haven't done Windows in years.
[02:36] <lorddelta> Basically (if you haven't) its what some CNET guys came up with as their proposed solution to the Windows 8 fiasco...
[02:37] <lorddelta> And someone in the KDE team was all like "hey, that's what KDE does!"
[02:37] <lorddelta> Not sure how much that says though...
[02:37] <lorddelta> :P
[02:37] <lorddelta> Windows 8 hasn't been popular after all.
[02:38] <smittie> KDE's got my attention, at least for a little while.
[02:38] <lorddelta> Hey, at least we have devs that are less likely (laws of probability) to go crazy and make everything "easier for the user".
[02:38] <smittie> Need to see some stability where Krita is concerned.
[02:39] <lorddelta> And they aren't forking themselves sidways from Sunday with 5 different variants...
[02:39] <smittie> ahoneybun: Thank you.
[02:39] <smittie> I'm out.
[02:39] <lorddelta> *waves*
[03:00] <ahoneybun> lorddelta: I like Unity and GNOME Shell a lot
[03:00] <ahoneybun> GNOME Shell more so with 3.8 out
[07:11] <murthy> hello everyone
[10:23] <ik_> Bore da cyfeillion ¡¡
[10:54] <demonoid_me> how can i attach my old desktop with icons and folders
[10:55] <demonoid_me> i mean i have folder Desktop and i wanna used this folder with all things
[10:55] <demonoid_me> or i need activity witch can move icons and select multiple ...
[10:55] <demonoid_me> desktop icons
[10:56] <demonoid_me> but when i choose desktop icons activity there have't icons
[10:56] <demonoid_me> :(
[11:00] <dcorbinz> It appears that 12.04 does not support my network chips.  Other than install 13, any suggestoins?
[11:01] <dcorbinz> Are there any 12.x installs with newer kernels?
[11:02] <hateball> !kernel
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:36] <dcorbinz> !Mainline kernel
[11:37] <dcorbinz> hateball, it's not that I want to bulid the kernel myself.  It's just that I want network access :)
[11:37] <hateball> !mainline
[11:38] <hateball> dcorbinz: I was looking for the trigger for the Kernel PPA
[11:38] <PhantomHelix> arg, why wont parallels tools install in kubuntu 13.10 nightly?
[11:58] <jiri__> ahoj
[12:05] <fit> Hi there, will KDE 4.11 be available for Kubuntu 12.04
[12:06] <tsimpson> fit: try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[13:14] <TSK> Mornin'
[14:18] <baltolkien> I have a problem with nepomuk with Kubuntu 13.04
[14:18] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:19] <Darkwing> baltolkien: What issue?
[14:19] <baltolkien> Anyone can help me?
[14:19] <Darkwing> lordievader: o/
[14:19] <baltolkien> Simply... doesn'y work...
[14:19] <baltolkien> I explani it
[14:19] <baltolkien> explain it.
[14:19] <baltolkien> A few weeks ago
[14:20] <baltolkien> I can search, use timeline (wonderful tool), etc.
[14:20] <baltolkien> But, one day... It stop  working
[14:21] <baltolkien> I try to activate and reactivate it in System Settings but doesn' work
[14:21] <baltolkien> I wait to update to KDE 4.10.3 anf 4,10.4
[14:21] <baltolkien> And doesn't work
[14:21] <lordievader> Hey Darkwing, how are you?
[14:21] <baltolkien> Any suggestion?
[14:22] <Darkwing> baltolkien: Give me a moment and let me see what I can do.
[14:22] <Darkwing> lordievader: Not bad.
[14:22] <lordievader> Darkwing: Good to hear :)
[14:22] <baltolkien> ok
[14:27] <Darkwing> baltolkien: If I understand, nepomuk is no longer showing stuff in say, KRunner?
[14:27] <Darkwing> Or, is it erroring?
[14:28] <baltolkien> No, nepomuk appears
[14:28] <baltolkien> THe config util
[14:28] <baltolkien> And the cleaner tool appears
[14:28] <baltolkien> I can stop/start with the gui
[14:29] <baltolkien> But it seems that nothing happens with nepomuk
[14:29] <Darkwing> hmmz...
[14:29] <baltolkien> (Sorry, if my english is not good)
[14:29] <Darkwing> baltolkien: It's ok. :) I just wanted to make sure I fully understood.
[14:29] <Darkwing> So, while the options are checked, File Indexing is not running...
[14:30] <baltolkien> True
[14:30] <Darkwing> I see that on my system now. (Just upgraded to 4.10.4 about 30 minutes ago.
[14:30] <baltolkien> In details appear
[14:30] <baltolkien> sorry
[14:34] <Darkwing> baltolkien: like this? http://imm.io/18Sl4
[14:34] <baltolkien> No...
[14:35] <baltolkien> Sorry
[14:35] <baltolkien> Yes, like this
[14:35] <baltolkien> In details
[14:37] <Darkwing> baltolkien: does this sound familiar? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318841
[14:38] <baltolkien> I don't know it...
[14:39] <baltolkien> So, I'm a user... can i solve it?
[14:39] <Darkwing> I'm still trying to find a reason.
[14:39] <Darkwing> file a bug report at bugs.kde.org and paste the bug number in here.
[14:39] <baltolkien> So, I must wait, don't?
[14:48] <SouL> Hello
[14:49] <SouL> I uninstalled Nvidia drivers and now I have no graphic enviroment
[14:49] <SouL> It starts with the tty1 now and startx doesn't work
[14:49] <SouL> I had noveau before
[14:50] <SouL> What I could do?
[14:50] <lordievader> SouL: Ok, great that you still have access to tty1.
[14:50] <SouL> I'm a little lost
[14:50] <lordievader> SouL: Login and run: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[14:50] <SouL> lordievader: Yes, on tty7 I can see how some services start, but not the graphics
[14:50] <lordievader> This will probably install the nouveau driver again.
[14:50] <SouL> ok
[14:51] <SouL> I'm going to that pc, wait please! haha
[14:52] <lordievader> SouL: Hope this is a secondary pc.
[14:53] <omar> hi
[14:54] <omar> heloo all
[14:54] <lordievader> Hey omar, how are you?
[14:54] <omar> i'm fine thnks
[14:57] <omar> i wont a good Kde rolling distro plz!
[14:57] <lordievader> omar: I don't think Kubuntu will be a rolling release anytime soon.
[14:58] <Darkwing> It will not be a rolling release but, with the ppa you can get the latest and greatest.
[14:59] <omar> oh!! ok it's good idea i hope!
[14:59] <SouL> lordievader: It says "0 to install, 0 to remove,.." etc :(
[15:00] <Darkwing> omar: here is for the ppa :D http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.4
[15:01] <omar> Darkwing: thank you very match!
[15:03] <SouL> It's hard to search info about that on the internet when you don't have any xorg.conf and other things
[15:03] <lordievader> SouL: Did the nouveau thing work? Got D/Ced
[15:03] <armin> hi, my X locking screen crashes when i type one character of my password, reproducably. anyone else with that problem?
[15:04] <SouL> lordievader: Nope :/
[15:04] <SouL> [16:59] <SouL> lordievader: It says "0 to install, 0 to remove,.." etc :(
[15:05] <lordievader> SouL: Could you pastebin the output of "sudo jockey-text --list"?
[15:05] <lordievader> !paste
[15:06] <SouL> lordievader: I'll try to get the url then. Hang on please :D
[15:11] <SouL> lordievader: It's in Catalan but it says that I'm not using it where "No s'està utilitzant"
[15:11] <SouL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5751951/
[15:11] <lordievader> Hmm I was afraid of jockey only showing closed source drivers...
[15:12] <lordievader> SouL: You also have the 'nouveau-firmware' package installed on your system?
[15:12] <SouL> let me check it
[15:14] <SouL> lordievader: the result of aptitude search → http://paste.ubuntu.com/5751969/
[15:15] <lordievader> The I infront means that it is installed I take it?
[15:15] <SouL> Yes
[15:19] <lordievader> Hmm.. I'm afraid I know too little about Nouveau to give you any good advice. You might try the closed source driver to get things working again.
[15:20] <ahoneybun> lordievader: howdy
[15:21] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, you caught me in a bad time. I'll be right back.
[15:21] <ahoneybun> k
[15:22] <SouL> Ohh
[15:22] <SouL> Someone knows what can I do?
[15:30] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Back ;)
[15:31] <ahoneybun> lordievader: wb
[15:31] <lordievader> ahoneybun: How are you?
[15:32] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine
[15:33] <ahoneybun> you
[15:33] <ahoneybun> ?
[15:34] <lordievader> Doing good too, I think I finaly found the cause why my server kept crashing.
[15:42] <ahoneybun> oh goo
[15:42] <ahoneybun> d
[15:54] <alix_> when i start my computer, 1.1GB/2GB is used; right now, after opening chromium, it's 1.4GB/2GB; what can i do to reduce that? i'm on kubuntu 13.10 on kde 4.10.3; kde desktop effects are disabled
[16:01] <ICBM>
[16:03] <genii> alix_: Perhaps try opening it with the --purge-memory-button     as described here: http://www.kabatology.com/03/17/free-up-memory-in-google-chrome-and-chromium-with-purge-memory-feature-linux/      also there is an addon called The Great Suspender which allows you to suspend what's going on in separate tabs ( so for instance a flash animation won't be continuously running, etc) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-
[16:03] <genii> suspender/klbibkeccnjlkjkiokjodocebajanakg?hl=en
[16:04] <alix_> genii: thanks good idea
[16:28] <Soru> lordievader: I resolved it at least :) I'm on Quassel now :D
[16:30] <lordievader> Soru: How did you resolve the issue?
[16:31] <Soru> lordievader: I reinstalled nvidia-310, then I did:
[16:31] <Soru> aptitude remove nvidia-310 (and the most important it seems) aptitude purge nvidia-310
[16:31] <lordievader> And now you are running Nouveau again?
[16:37] <jors> Hi all.  Can anyone give some advice on how to remaster/edit the Kubuntu 13.04 ISO.  I'm looking to make a couple of modifications and adding a LOT of extra apps to the default image for widescale deployment.  How do I go about this?  Any help will be appreciated.
[16:38] <genii> !remaster | jors
[16:38] <lordievader> jors: This one is also fun to read: http://37rtm.host22.com/content/ubuntu-live-cd-persitence-using-nfs
[16:40] <jors> Thanks everyone.  Will look into it.  Gotta start somewhere I guess.
 And now you are running Nouveau again? ← Yes!
[16:53] <Aethysius> How does one configure the firewall of a Kubuntu computer?
[17:00] <infrid> hi
[17:01] <TSK> Aethysius: You can install gufw if you want a GUI, or you can read "man ufw" if you want the nerdy way.  ;)
[17:03] <TSK> Ubuntu and it's variants by default use ufw (Uncomplicated Firewall), although you can also uninstall that and use any other iptables app you prefer, too.    (I personally like "Firestarter", but there's a ton of other options, too.)
[17:03] <Aethysius> Excellent. Thanks.
[17:04] <TSK> Notta problem.  Enjoy.  :)
[17:04] <TSK> Thank you to #kubuntu for helping ME with MY issue the other day, too.  ;)
[17:04] <TSK> IRC FTW once again.     :)
[17:25] <lordievader> Soru: nice :)
[17:42] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[17:51] <usuario4> who is conected?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> usuario4, connected to ?
[17:52] <usuario4> yes
[17:52] <usuario4> where are you BluesKaj?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> here
[17:53] <BluesKaj> usuario4, do you have kubuntu support question ?
[17:53] <usuario4> no yet, i'm exploring
[17:53] <usuario4> and i found this red...
[17:54] <usuario4> this red is online from irc.ubuntu.com?
[17:56] <BluesKaj>  red ?
[17:57] <genii> If someone uses your IRC name in a sentence, it appears highlighted to you, sometimes in red.
[17:59] <BluesKaj> oh that
[18:00] <usuario4> español?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> !es | usuario4
[18:01] <usuario4> thank's!
[18:01] <usuario4> quien anda¿?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> usuario4, click on here #ubuntu-es
[19:02] <alix_> hi, i'm trying to see which services i need and which i don't; do i need acpi-support?
[19:03] <Walex> alix_: probably if you care about power management
[19:04] <alix_> light dimming when battery low?
[19:06] <alix_> do i need AppAmor? is this a security kind of service?
[19:06] <alix_> "AppArmor is a Mandatory Access Control (MAC) system which is a kernel (LSM) enhancement to confine programs to a limited set of resources."
[19:07] <alix_> looks important
[19:13] <Walex> alix_: it is important and it is not a service.
[19:13] <alix_> i'm disabling stuff in rcconf
[19:14] <alix_> disabled a bunch of stuff in Service Manager too
[19:14] <Walex> alix_: regrettably the usual crowd of misguided "innovators" use the the same stuff to control services and setup configurations, because they cannot see that scripts that start services and scripts that setup configurations are fundamentally different stuff
[19:15] <alix_> rcconf should be for script that setup configurations? so disabling them shouldn't help reduce the memory consumption?
[19:32] <tumor130> haelleou
[19:33] <BluesKaj> hi tumor130
[19:54] <alize> hi, i've installed kubuntu low fat settings, and now my kate window looks like that: http://i.imgur.com/aNFHUTy.png how can i resize it?
[19:56] <alize> i don't have buttons for minizing/maximizing/closing either nor a title bar
[20:00] <Walex> alize: ALT-F3 if you use Kwin
[20:01] <Walex> alize: but it is difficult to imagine that "low fat settings" go as a far as removing window decorations...
[20:36] <genii> alize: ctrl-shift-f


[14:08] <littlegirl> Hey there, godbyk, are you at your keyboard?
[22:08] <ahoneybun> hello all
[22:18] <belkinsa> Troll/bot alert?
[22:23] <belkinsa> Guess not, sorry about that ahoneybun.
[22:30] <ahoneybun> belkinsa: not a troll lol
[22:31]  * belkinsa forgot what channel she was in
[22:31] <phillw> belkinsa: stand down you rotweiller :D


[05:15] <sbalneav> evening all
[08:37] <sakhi> Morning
[08:39] <highvoltage> Morning sakhi
[12:10] <alkisg> !info clusterssh
[14:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:57] <highvoltage> hi sbalneav
[14:58] <highvoltage> sbalneav: we're talking to the CC about the EC elections... it may turn into just a confirmation vote where we vote all 6 nominees in
[14:58] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I'm going to link to your wiki page too so I'm not sure if you'd perhaps like to remove the "Boy, is *that* a big mistake on your part." part :)
[15:03] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Nope. :)
[15:04] <sbalneav> I yam what I yam.  If the CC doesn't think I'd make a suitable candidate because of that, then, well, they'll have to live with the consequences of that decision.
[15:04] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ok np!
[15:08] <sbalneav> I *do* think there probably be some input from the users, just in case Ace or Scott shows up and doesn't want one or the other of us around.  If we're voted in "by acclimation", there's always the appearance of impropriaty or croneyism.
[15:09] <sbalneav> s/probably/should probably/
[15:10] <highvoltage> sbalneav: well, everyone had a chance to put forward their nominations
[15:10] <highvoltage> sbalneav: if someone feels strongly that there were somoeone better for the job, they had their chance to nominate someone
[15:11] <highvoltage> (not that I disagree with you)
[15:12] <sbalneav> Yup
[15:13] <sbalneav> True enough.
[18:56] <alkisg> Is the following idea for passwordless ssh an acceptable way to control many standalone clients from a server?
[18:56] <alkisg> 1) Create ssh keys for the root user on the server: sudo ssh-keygen
[18:56] <alkisg> 2) Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the clients, and specify: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys
[18:56] <alkisg> 3) Copy the public key of the server root user to the clients' /etc/ssh/authorized_keys
[18:56] <alkisg> This way anyone with sudo privileges on the server could do: sudo ssh user@client and automatically logon there.
[18:57] <alkisg> (that would be really useful to run commands on all users on all clients simultaneously with clusterssh)
[18:57] <alkisg> Any tactical problems with this approach?
[19:07] <sbalneav> alkisg: What is it you want to do on the thin clients?
[19:07] <alkisg> sbalneav: standalone, not thin
[19:07] <alkisg> This way I could ssh as root, and e.g. update or install programs on the clients,
[19:08] <alkisg> or I could logon as any user and run apps on behalf of the students locally
[19:08] <sbalneav> Seems reasonable.
[19:09] <alkisg> I'm thinking of starting two packages for this scenario, one "sch-server" would prepare the server for the teacher to sit there, and one "sch-client" would prepare the client
[19:09] <alkisg> So except from remote command execution, I'd like to manage squid, some mandatory gnome and firefox settings etc
[19:10] <alkisg> Thanks sbalneav :)
[19:10] <sbalneav> NP
[19:52] <alkisg> Meeting in 10 minutes? Or am I counting wrong again?
[20:00] <stgraber> MEETING
[20:02] <highvoltage> yes!
[20:02] <highvoltage> (#ubuntu-meeting)
[20:02] <alkisg> nubae, sbalneav: ^^^
[20:17] <nubae> oof when was that written?
[20:17] <nubae> am I late?
[20:17] <alkisg> Not much, hop right in
[20:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: the meeting is in #ubuntu-meeting ;)
[20:57] <nubae> was anything else of interest mentioned?
[20:57] <alkisg> live ltsp, and no text installer...
[20:57] <alkisg> (except for classroom server and moodle)
[20:58] <nubae> ok..
[20:58] <nubae> along with moodle, was consideration given to mahara and koha
[20:58] <nubae> both are really useful as a trio
[20:59] <nubae> koha does librarry (especially for schools) management
[20:59] <nubae> and mahara is an e-portfolio for kids to store their work in a more facebook like fashion, as well as learn how to present pages/their cvs, etc
[21:00] <nubae> through xmlrpc, the trio work very well, and it would give an edge compared to other distros
[21:00] <nubae> but I suggest u take a look a their respective sites
[21:01] <nubae> the cool thing is, info is very interconnected
[21:01] <alkisg> Hey, those look interesting...
[21:01] <highvoltage> nubae: hmm, koha isn't packaged yet, although mahara seems to be
[21:03] <nubae> koha isnt packaged,really? its the oldest of the 3
[21:03] <nubae> and is awsome for books management in schools/unis
[21:04] <nubae> mahara is nice cause its kinda drag and drop iterfacce and grabs details from moodle, and would do a lot of what is being attempted to do in moodle 2.0
[21:05] <nubae> what would be nice of course is if we had a pre-xmlrcd version, so that on moodle or mahara install data is immediately interchangable
[21:07] <nubae> also, and just off top of my head here... identi.ca?
[21:09] <alkisg> nubae: I was thinking about the telepathy stuff you were talking about some time ago, and utilizing it in a classroom. E.g. students collaborating with the help of empathy's "people nearby"... did you do something with telepathy, or you were just reading about it?
[21:13] <nubae> alkisg, 'm in the miiddle of a project with it
[21:13] <nubae> but therer are already projects using it
[21:14] <nubae> abiword, coccinella, vnc for multicasting, libjingle for multi videoconferencig
[21:14] <alkisg> "vnc for multicasting"???!!!
[21:14] <alkisg> Where's that?!
[21:15] <nubae> the gnome games package includes at least 3 games that use it, sudoku, tic tact toe
[21:15] <nubae> do a search for telepathy and vnc or vinagre/vino
[21:15] <nubae> its tightly integrted
[21:16] <nubae> inkscpae uses it
[21:16] <nubae> there are some SIP people managers, thunderbird uses it
[21:17] <nubae> fish around a little u'll find stuff, but the really interesting stuff is still  to be develloperd
[21:17] <nubae> and I thik we could start with some LTSP plugins at least
[21:17] <alkisg> I'm thinking of teachers publishing classes, and students joining in,
[21:18] <nubae> like multifreeze, multi-lower voliume, muliti-lock,mulit-powerdown
[21:18] <nubae> etc
[21:18] <alkisg> teachers being able to send files to all students simultaneously,
[21:18] <nubae> ah.... then u'll have to wait for my app which is what it will do
[21:18] <alkisg> helping students remotely (that's already doable), students chatting / giving urls or files to one another,
[21:19] <nubae> welll... it will publish a lesson, which they must answer complete, in quiz style, gaining/loosing points
[21:19] <alkisg> Really? Could you describe your app? What language are you using?
[21:19] <nubae> gettext is already included, so no probs in adding gree
[21:19] <nubae> just need a pot file
[21:20] <nubae> let me advance a  little with it during the next 2 weeks, and we can talk again
[21:20] <nubae> about icons though
[21:21] <nubae> I like to do that sometimes to chill me out
[21:21] <nubae> where would we wanna go?
[21:21] <nubae> maybe even 2 styles?
[21:21] <nubae> I know htere are a lot of jthem though
[21:22] <highvoltage> icon themes are generally not too big so more than one extra can be included yes
[21:22] <sbalneav> here I am
[21:22] <alkisg> You mean the edubuntu theme? I think the edubuntu default is only for little kids...
[21:23] <nubae> right
[21:23] <nubae> think we need one that is more genereal edu
[21:23] <nubae> and maybe a hip/cool one foir high schoolers
[21:24] <nubae> then we'd have a choice of 3
[21:24] <alkisg> ...and maybe also the default ubuntu one, so that we have 4 :)
[21:24]  * alkisg would go with the defaults, and let the theme hunting to end users :)
[21:29] <nubae> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newtonianpenguin.png
[21:31] <nubae> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Penguin-evolution.png
[21:33] <nubae> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Penguin-school.png
[21:33] <nubae> ok, well, those 3 I did a while back and have another one 2, they're kinda like a theme
[21:34] <nubae> wacha think?
[21:35] <nubae> good enough,, or not really... please be honest
[21:35] <nubae> I have a good wacom tablet I use for this using inkscape, so I'd use that or creating the icons too
[21:35] <nubae> it soothes me between coding so I dont mind it so much
[21:37] <nubae> and a I STRONGLY recpmmend u look at the latest opensuse-edu, cause hopefully we'd be travelling towards that and can learn from their mistakes
[21:37] <nubae> and their successes
[21:38] <nubae> if course we dot have something like yast which makes life so much easier for admins
[21:38] <nubae> vur creating a linked control panel might not be a bad idea
[21:42] <nubae> how about this.... I make 3 different variations of 2 popular icons and we work of that?
[21:43] <nubae> and a more pro looking theme might work better in generak )osx/darkker/dark blue/vlack/gray
[21:44] <nubae> more like what ubuntustudio have
[21:44] <nubae> that looks more pro
[21:46] <nubae> anyway, thats my input... collect universe apps (get someone to help me put them in seeds, create icon sets, finish telepathy based teachgin/quiz app


[07:38] <nigelb> morning dholbach :0
[07:38] <nigelb> :)
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:38] <nigelb> dholbach: ubuntu global jam bootcamp today \o/
[07:39] <dholbach> yeeeeeeeeehaw
[08:58] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:58] <kim0> dholbach: nigelb  o/
[09:14] <dpm> morning all
[09:14] <kim0> dpm: morning man :)
[09:14] <dpm> hey kim0
[09:55] <nigelb> hey kim0, dpm :)
[10:02] <duanedesign> morning friends
[10:02] <dpm> heya nigelb, heya duanedesign :)
[10:07] <duanedesign> that is a pretty good yeehaw dholbach, me thinks you would fit in pretty good here in OKlahoma :)
[10:13] <dholbach> duanedesign, I'm not sure about that :)
[10:13] <nigelb> duanedesign: hehe
[10:14] <duanedesign> ;)
[10:14] <nigelb> ok, mailed all instructors for the bootcamp \o/
[10:15] <nigelb> duanedesign: do you know of more app developers who might be interested in talking at ubuntu app developer week lightning talks?
[10:16] <duanedesign> hmm
[10:18] <duanedesign> nigelb: gaurav took my Randy project and ran with it. Not a big app but he did practically the whole thing himself.
[10:18] <nigelb> duanedesign: tazz?
[10:18] <nigelb> or someone else :)
[10:19] <duanedesign> nigelb: i think someone else, He would kill me, i keep forgetting his last name :P
[10:19] <nigelb> duanedesign: lawl
[10:19] <duanedesign> gaurav_pawaskar
[10:20] <nigelb> ok, don't know him
[10:36] <dpm> dholbach, wow, impressive results from the green party in Baden-Württemberg and Rheinland Pfalz last night
[10:37] <dholbach> dpm, yeah - let's hope they change things for good :)
[10:37] <dpm> :)
[11:45] <duanedesign> ummm, where would I find an IRC op for #ubuntu?
[11:45] <popey> duanedesign: in #ubuntu-ops
[11:45] <duanedesign> cool
[15:28] <MeanEYE> Hello!
[15:35] <kim0> MeanEYE: hey o/
[15:36] <MeanEYE> haha <3 love the emoticon :P
[15:36] <MeanEYE> hi theres
[15:37] <MeanEYE> sup
[15:41] <kim0> :)
[15:46] <czajkowski> akgraner: did you see AW yesterday? was it as agood as we were lead to believe?
[16:01] <czajkowski> akgraner: not an easy one to watch :(
[16:01] <jono> kim0, all set?
[16:02] <kim0> jono: yeah
[16:02] <MeanEYE> oh, something happening in #classroom?
[16:03] <MeanEYE> jono: btw, I got in contact with lernid project owner. I'll be starting soon with fixing that stuff.
[16:03] <jono> kim0, I can hear you
[16:03] <kim0> I cna't
[16:03] <jono> you should be able to hear me, my mic is working
[16:04] <jono> check your pulse settings
[16:09] <jcastro> MeanEYE: heck yeah, just take it and rock it
[16:09] <MeanEYE> :)
[16:10] <MeanEYE> lot's of butchering though, but I'll live
[16:10] <MeanEYE> had worse projects in my life. any special requests on that part?
[16:30] <dpm> jcastro, what's the name of the unity replacement for the gnome notification area? I've seen unity menu mentioned somewhere, is that it?
[16:31] <MeanEYE> global menu perhaps?
[16:31] <MeanEYE> sorry for intruding :)
[16:32] <jcastro> dpm: there's really no replacement
[16:32] <jcastro> it's just the indicators
[16:32] <jcastro> unless you were looking for the word "indicators", heh
[16:33] <dpm> :)
[16:34] <dpm> jcastro, so there's no "indicator area", "unity menu" or such thing, just "that corner where indicators happily live"?
[16:35] <jcastro> yeah it's just "Indicators" as far as I know. I guess you could call it indicator area.
[16:37] <dpm> ok, just wondering if there was an official name
[16:38] <jcastro> not afaik
[16:39] <jcastro> dpm: JohnLea or tedg might know if there is, but I've never heard to it officially named as anything but the indicators
[16:39] <jcastro> dpm: if they tell you otherwise let me know!
[16:39] <dpm> ok :)
[16:41] <MeanEYE> did anyone thought about idea of creating IRC client that wouldn't look like one and directly making it available on Ubuntu web site as a way to get tech support?
[16:42] <jcastro> right now we embed the freenode web client
[16:42] <MeanEYE> oh, nice. did you see GTK 3.2 preview with ability to serve applications through http?
[16:43] <jcastro> yeah
[16:43] <MeanEYE> <3 can't wait for that to happen
[16:46] <MeanEYE> anyway if you feel like making a separate IRC client used only for tech support do let me know, I might get some more free time for that as well :)
[17:01] <jcastro> popey: that bug is a dupe
[17:01] <jcastro> someone brought up the pornview thing in a dash bug before
[17:02] <popey> heh
[17:03] <jcastro> I hate everything about that feature though
[17:03] <jcastro> the recommending apps
[17:12] <dholbach> we recommend pornview?
[17:12] <dholbach> nice, can't wait for the CC to be subscribed to the bug :)
[17:12] <jussi> dholbach: come again?
[17:13] <czajkowski> dholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/708045
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708045 in software-center "[software-center] `unattended` == PornView" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:13] <Pici> !info pornview
[17:14] <Pici> :|
[17:14] <Pici> Well, its there, just hiding.
[17:15] <jono> dholbach, sorry on a call
[17:15] <jono> wont be long
[17:16] <dholbach> jono, afaik our call starts in 15m?
[17:16] <jono> dholbach, yeah, I mean I might be late
[17:16] <dholbach> gotcha
[17:17] <jussi> I can see that bug going really bad places after the way its started. sadly.
[17:24] <jcastro> <--- lunch
[17:25] <vish> pornview "issue" came up nearly than 6 months ago too, when descriptions was being discussed. and MOTU said there is nothing that can be done and that they wont block such packages based on names
[17:28] <vish> there is also Bug 739469
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 739469 in unity-place-applications "Dash search unavoidably returns offensive results" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739469
[17:32] <jono> dholbach, all set
[17:32] <dholbach> jono, me too
[17:50] <dholbach> ok my friends
[17:50] <dholbach> I call it a day
[17:50] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day and see you tomorrow
[17:51] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach :)
[17:52] <dholbach> bye nigelb
[18:21] <komputes> Does anyone know who I would contact to remove the "The deadline for sponsorship closes on 8th September 2010." footer on http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/
[18:23] <nigelb> jcastro: ^^
[18:23] <jcastro> where does it say that?
[18:23] <jcastro> Sponsorship Requests close on 29 March 2011.
[18:23] <pleia2> it's an html comment which firefox is showing on the site
[18:24] <jcastro> I don't see that in FF either
[18:24] <pleia2> shows up in the FF on lucid
[18:25] <doctormo> pleia2: I can confirm Firefox on Maverick shows it too
[18:25] <nigelb> See? You all haven't upgraded :p
[18:25] <nigelb> I don't see it in FF4
[18:25] <pleia2> nigelb: this is my work computer :)
[18:25] <dpm> jcastro, jono, ok ubuntu development api documentation is now available on the links at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ - I'll send an e-mail with the summary tomorrow
[18:25] <doctormo> nigelb: After I made a blog post ranting about mozilla? Did you think I would upgrade ;-)
[18:25] <dpm> (and there goes another WI done ;)
[18:26] <nigelb> doctormo: PPA :D
[18:26] <jcastro> dpm: nice, that unblocks me for Places docs, thanks!
[18:27] <jono> dpm, nice!
[18:27] <jono> jcastro, btw, there is no Places doc links on the wiki.ubuntu.com Ayatana or Unity docs
[18:28] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses
[18:28] <jcastro> ?
[18:29] <jcastro> oh, there's no link on /Unity
[18:29]  * jcastro fixes
[18:29] <nigelb> jono: if you have a min, can you tweet about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJamBootcamp ?
[18:29] <nigelb> jono: its happening right now :)
[18:30] <jono> nigelb, done, and Facebooked!
[18:32] <nigelb> jono: thanks :)
[18:33] <JanC> the fact that that comment is shown is a (very common) browser bug
[18:33] <nigelb> actually, I'm not sure its commented properly
[18:33] <nigelb> it looks to me like that the comment for that line isn't closed
[18:34] <JanC> although, thinking about it, it's probably not valid HTML either  ;)
[18:35] <nigelb> Yeah, I'm guessing its a difference of quirks mode
[18:39] <jcastro> fixed it
[18:40] <JanC> well, I'm not sure about XHTML, but I *think* it's actually a valid HTML (= SGML) comment, so then it would be a browser bug...
[18:40] <nigelb> JanC: validity of html is based on the doctype on the first line
[18:42] <JanC> nigelb: I think it was actually valid, but the SGML rules for parsing comments are somewhat complicated, and many browsers get it wrong
[18:43] <nigelb> but this page is transitional xhtml, so xhtml 1.0 and html 4.01 rules apple
[18:44] <JanC> it was both a valid SGML and a valid XML comment, so the difference doesn't matter
[18:58] <jcastro> jono: all set, just ring whenevs
[19:00] <jono> jcastro, just wrapping a blog entry
[19:00] <jono> will be a few mins
[19:11] <cjohnston> jcastro: do you have a bunch of packages that are being help back on updates?
[19:12] <jcastro> nope
[19:15] <cjohnston> hmm.. i have a whole bunch of libs that it isnt letting me update
[19:15] <jono> jcastro, http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/03/28/balancing-freedom-and-functionality-a-design-challenge/
[19:15] <jono> jcastro, ok all set
[19:16] <jcastro> all set
[19:16] <jono> jcastro, got voicemail on skype
[19:17] <jcastro> oh whoops
[19:17] <jcastro> I closed it
[19:17] <jcastro> all set
[19:43] <komputes> thanks jcastro
[20:28] <popey> i have filed quite possibly the most embarrasing bug ever
[20:28] <popey> bug 744475
[20:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744475 in vlc "Vlc has a cone where the menu would be" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744475
[20:28] <popey> I am ready for the ridicule
[20:29] <popey> also, a serious bug which is probably going to be a wishlist bug 744511
[20:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744511 in unity "grid doesn't cater for dual screens" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744511
[20:29] <popey> shame though
[20:30] <Pici> But the cone wears a hat during the holidays
[20:56] <jcastro> popey: I read a tweet
[20:56] <jcastro> where 2 people were in a car
[20:57] <jcastro> and one of them was like "avoid that VLC thing" when talking about traffic cones on the road
[20:57] <jcastro> I LOLed
[20:57] <popey> haha
[21:53] <mhall119> is there a website for collecting feedback about ubuntu?
[21:53] <mhall119> things like "I tried to do X, but I couldn't figure out how"
[21:53] <mhall119> or "I really liked Y, but Z would make it even better)
[21:54] <MeanEYE> mhall119: well, some things you can put in brainstorm.ubuntu.com like your ideas on how to improve something
[21:54] <mhall119> I'm thinking of feedback that's less well defined than brainstorm is looking for
[23:15] <Technoviking> Natty hates me
[23:16] <MeanEYE> Not true!
[23:21] <Technoviking> how to you rerestart unity from the command line?
[23:22] <MeanEYE> Unity 3d?
[23:22] <Technoviking> yup
[23:26] <MeanEYE> I think it's a compiz plugin. Is it not?
[23:26] <pleia2> hmm, does Ubuntu Certification (UCP) still exist as a cert? I see training partners offering "Ubuntu Professional" courses but it's unclear whether there is still a Cert
[23:41] <popey> unity --restart
[23:42] <popey> @ Technoviking
[23:42] <popey> no
[23:42] <popey> unity --reset
[23:43] <MeanEYE> popey: would compiz --replace work?
[23:43] <popey> pass


[11:27] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:32] <mandel> duanedesign, morning!
[11:42] <duanedesign> bug 517505
[11:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 517505 in ubuntuone-client "AttributeError: 'MetadataUpgrader' object has no attribute '_upgrade_metadata_6' (affects: 39) (dups: 27) (heat: 49)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517505
[11:57] <rye> duanedesign, possible solution is to remove all metadata since conversion to older format is not supported
[11:58] <duanedesign> rye: i left a comment for the OP to 'rm -rf ~/.local/share/ubuntuone'
[12:07] <duanedesign> rye:  bug 626741
[12:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 626741 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "AUTH_FAILED on new install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626741
[12:08] <duanedesign> rye: is that fixed yet?
[12:08] <duanedesign> or should we recommend using the auth script as a workaround?
[12:09] <rye> duanedesign, server side is not yet fixed; alecu is in charge of that but I haven't heard from him about the reason of token issues... Regarding the script - let me look whether it is possible to simplify it and then provide it as a workaround
[12:12] <duanedesign> rye: ok, thank you!
[13:04] <nessita> good morning everyone
[13:10] <rye> duanedesign, http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/ubuntuone-old-auth.py
[13:12] <duanedesign> rye: thank you
[13:28] <rye> that would work only with login keyring though
[14:09] <rye> (test-contacts-picker:15391): libebook-WARNING **: e-book.c:106: e-d-s proxy died
[14:10] <rye> i am so awesomely happy about my stable system
[17:56] <GM88> hi
[17:56] <GM88> honk
[17:56] <GM88> ?
[18:43] <rye> GM88, hi!
[18:44] <GM88> Hi, I have a question about ubuntu one
[18:46] <GM88> when I try to sync my mobil phone with ubuntu one the following error occour: Session failed, Communication interruped
[18:48] <rye> GM88, what phone are you trying to synchronize?
[18:48] <GM88> I have the sony ericsson K660i
[18:49] <GM88> I followed the tutorial page
[18:51] <GM88> my phone connect to the internet and when it will sync oder contact the server (don't know) the error occour
[18:54] <GM88> I came into the internet and i can surf, but don't know
[18:58]  * rye is testing funambol connection now
[19:00] <GM88> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status hmm maybe the server is down...
[19:03] <rye> GM88, when was the first time you tried to sync the contacts - was that the last week or later than that?
[19:03] <GM88> todayy
[19:06] <GM88> because I want to try out the synchronising
[19:07] <rye> GM88, what is your mobile user name - the one which is listed in https://one.ubuntu.com/phones?
[19:08] <GM88> 31628054
[19:13] <rye> GM88, are you able to visit https://one.ubuntu.com/contacts/ - do you see the page, there is no error message, right?
[19:14] <GM88> yes
[19:16] <GM88> right, but why doesen't work it with my mobile phone? I know there is an outage  for the mail conacts (my evolution yet not synchronised) but also for the mobile contacts?
[19:21] <rye> GM88, i am syncing the logs for the mobile sync service to see whether there are hints of why the phone failed to sync
[19:22] <GM88> Okay, thanks
[20:05] <rye> GM88, hm, it does not look like your client connects to the server since there are no log entries mentioning your username on the server side
[20:08] <GM88> maybe I have the wrong server adress
[20:10] <GM88> I saw in my O2 sync profile that the server adress ends with: http://syncml.o2-online.de/syncml.OSP
[20:11] <GM88> ups its http://syncml.o2online.de/syncml.osp
[21:01] <beuno> GM88, you do have the wrong host
[21:02] <beuno> ours is http://syncml.one.ubuntu.com
[21:02] <rye> GM88 (sorry for delayed answer - it would be great if you could include my nick so i get a notification on response), the server is http://syncml.one.ubuntu.com/
[21:03] <LaserJock> hi folks, I have a desktopcouch question. At what point, if at all, are records actually deleted?
[21:04] <LaserJock> I created a DB and populated it with some records, but when I do a db.delete_record I end up with duplicates when I look at the DB in the web interface
[21:19] <kenvandine> LaserJock, look at the annotationes
[21:19] <kenvandine> do you have a field that looks like "UbuntuOne annotations"
[21:19] <kenvandine> something like that
[21:19] <kenvandine> expand that, you'll see it has an attribute "deleted"
[21:20] <JanC> my knowledge might be outdated, but IIRC they never get deleted for real?
[21:20] <kenvandine> so the record is still there, but you shouldn't get it with get_records
[21:20] <kenvandine> JanC, correct
[21:32] <LaserJock> kenvandine: so will they just accumulate?
[21:32] <LaserJock> that seems sort of inefficient
[21:32] <kenvandine> yes
[21:33] <kenvandine> it does that to properly handle replication
[21:33] <kenvandine> there is a way to really delete records, but i can't recall off hand
[21:33] <kenvandine> but it isn't a great idea for a db that will be replicated
[21:34] <LaserJock> I guess, but if you have an app that will cycle through a lot of records it seems pretty bad
[21:35] <LaserJock> I wonder if there's a "ok, now really, get rid of them" command
[21:35] <LaserJock> I assumed that "compact" would do that
[21:48] <rye> btw, just found that tail --follow=name follows file name even when it rotates