[00:02] <rww> ikonia: I don't agree with us having one, but we have had one pretty much continuously since before the Shells Policy was created.
[00:03]  * rww removes it occasionally when he's curious about the consequences
[00:03] <rww> (a ban on bshellz, that is)
[00:10] <rww> emma: #ubuntu-ops doesn't deal with LoCo channels, probably best to continue hanging out in #ubuntu-irc and see if someone turns up when it's not UK sleeptime.
[00:53] <emma> what happened here?
[00:54] <rww> looks like you got removed, per the idling policy mentioned in /topic
[01:02] <elky> oops, i did it again.
[01:20] <elky> "This add-on requires Firefox 7.*. You are currently using Firefox 3.6.18."
[01:20]  * elky headdesks
[01:20] <elky> This will be fun.
[01:20] <ikonia> game over firefox
[01:20] <ikonia> enjoy people giving up on you
[01:26] <jrib> does firefox get a new version like every month now?
[01:26] <elky> yes.
[01:26] <jrib> ...
[01:26] <elky> I wish I were joking.
[01:27] <jrib> what exactly do they change...
[01:27] <ikonia> welcome to IE being the browser of choice
[01:27] <charlie-tca> instead of .? releases, they go a whole number now
[01:27] <jrib> oh
[01:27] <elky> yep
[01:28] <elky> which means we'll be at version 50 by the end of next year at this rate.
[01:28] <jrib> I want to sleep but I am not sleepy :/
[01:28] <ikonia> me too
[01:50] <emma> Hi hows it going.
[01:51] <ikonia> emma: why do you keep joining this channel ?
[01:51] <emma> ikonia: Im not.
[01:51] <ikonia> then how do you keep ending up in this channel
[01:52] <emma> ikonia: im not sure. I think it's because in irssi I swich windows by typing /join #channelname
[01:52] <ikonia> emma: so why do you keep typing /join #ubuntu-ops
[01:53] <emma> ikonia: for example I am currently in #freenode but I would switch to that window by typing /join #freenode
[01:53] <ikonia> emma: so why do you keep typing /join #ubuntu-ops
[01:53] <emma> Not really going there but switching to that window.
[01:53] <ikonia> emma: so why do you keep typing /join #ubuntu-ops
[01:53] <emma> ikonia: because I keep waiting to see if anyone answered my question. Then I go back to my other windows in the meantime.
[01:53] <ikonia> emma: you've had your question answered in here 3 times and been asked not to idle
[01:54] <emma> ikonia: please don't flood #ubuntu-ops
[01:54] <ikonia> emma: the channel is #ubuntu-irc
[01:54] <ikonia> emma: don't get smart with me
[01:54] <emma> ikonia: No I haven't.
[01:54] <ikonia> emma: you have no reason to be here - if you do, state it
[01:54] <ikonia> then leave, now
[01:55] <emma> Well this introduces a new problem, "Don't get smart with me" is a horribly impolite and confrontational thing to say to someone who's being civil with you.
[01:55] <emma> And this is not #ubutu-irc, this is #ubuntu-ops.
[01:55] <ikonia> emma: you have been told the correct channel, you have been asked not to idle
[01:55] <ikonia> you keep joining and keep idling
[01:55] <ikonia> stop it
[01:55] <ikonia> leave now if you have no business
[01:55] <emma> ikonia: can you think of a good reason why I have not seen any replies to my question?
[01:55] <ikonia> because you don't watch the channel
[01:55] <ikonia> I have no idea,
[01:56] <ikonia> however, I am telling you now, the correct channel is #ubuntu-irc
[01:56] <emma> ikonia: what would happen to a person using irssi if, before they saw the answer to their question they were kicked from it?
[01:56] <ikonia> emma: rww told you the channel
[01:56] <emma> where?
[01:56] <ikonia> you where kicked over 30 minutes after
[01:56] <ikonia> rww: told you in this channel
[01:56] <emma> Okay in this channel. Good to know.
[01:56] <ikonia> and to be honest, you know the channel you should ask in
[01:57] <emma> ikonia: But are you familiar with irssi?
[01:57] <ikonia> yes, I use it on a day to day basis
[01:57] <emma> Oh good.
[01:57] <ikonia> hence why I know when you are kicked the window stays on screen
[01:57] <ikonia> but I think we are done here, no please leave the hcannel
[01:57] <ikonia> "now"
[01:57] <ikonia> not no
[01:57] <emma> Then you know that if a person using irssi is kicked from this channel before they see the reply then they will never see the reply.
[01:57] <ikonia> they will
[01:58] <ikonia> the text stays on screen until you close the windows
[01:58] <ikonia> pluse you know how to read the logs
[01:58] <ikonia> you know very well, so you I know you're more than capable
[01:58] <ikonia> so lets stop messing around, and how about you ask / wait in #ubuntu-irc
[01:58] <emma> Then you are doing something different other than kicking. Because each time I have typed /join #ubuntu-ops to switch to the window and see if there is any reply to my question, I just see the room list and nothing else.
[01:59] <rww> emma: /set autoclose_windows no
[01:59] <ikonia> please leave the channel now, or join #irssi and ask for help how to set it up
[01:59] <emma> ikonia: I would like to stay and chat with you but you know full well there are more appropriate channels for that.
[01:59] <ikonia> this is not a chat channel
[01:59] <rww> although I admit I haven't tested that, just turned it on the other day and haven't been /removed from anywhere yet
[02:00] <emma> ikonia: I'm going to have to ask you to excuse me, since there are certain channels that I don't allow to idle in my client.
[02:00] <ikonia> emma: you know the correct channel to wait - lets stop all further discussion please.
[02:00] <ikonia> emma: get out
[02:00] <ikonia> !ops
[02:00] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops emma trolling as normal
[02:00] <rww> Apparently we disagree on the concept of "channel emergency"
[02:01] <ikonia> I don't care
[02:01] <ikonia> you try to help here, she tries to make an issue
[02:01] <ikonia> I've had enough of these silly games
[02:01] <ikonia> enough now
[02:01] <rww> Personally, I liked it better when nobody was talking and she was idling. Less obnoxious behavior.
[02:02] <ikonia> I liked it better when she just wanted an issue resolved and could ask the correct people
[04:01] <Anastasius> Hi gang.  I was wondering if anyone could tell me if I'm banned in any namespace channels I don't know about.
[04:12] <rww> Anastasius: no idea about the namespace in general, but as far as ubottu-tracked channels go...
[04:12] <rww> @bansearch Anastasius
[04:12] <rww> (this usually takes a bit)
[04:13] <Anastasius> h00k: Congrats on the wedding, btw.
[04:13] <rww> (last one is wrong, ubottu left the channel before the banlist was cleared)
[04:13] <Anastasius> Okay, cool.  Thanks.
[04:14] <Anastasius> I don't suppose that -offtopc one can be lifted.
[04:14] <Anastasius> +i
[04:15] <rww> I'm not lifting it. I can try to poke you when Flannel's around if you want to talk about it with him.
[04:15] <Anastasius> I'll keep that in mind.
[04:16] <Anastasius> Anyway, have a pleasant evening, friends.  (and... um... others)
[09:47] <Myrtti> [12:47] < TrevGamingRIg> Get paid via paypal or gift cards to watch videos, offers, surveys, submit emails ect. http://t.co/ivZVyhf , have any questions just ask me :)
[09:48] <Myrtti> I wish ops stuff were easier to do on my mobile
[09:49] <Tm_T> no such nick online anymore
[09:49] <Tm_T> I wonder if it got shot down
[09:49] <Myrtti> [12:47] ~~~TrevGamingRIg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:50] <Myrtti> perraps
[09:51] <jpds> Myrtti: There's an app for that.
[09:51] <jpds> Tm_T: No, it just left.
[09:51] <Myrtti> jpds: magic android keyboard for irssi usage? lolwhatwhere
[09:52] <Myrtti> ;-)
[09:52] <jpds> Myrtti: Swype?
[09:54] <Tm_T> jpds: left the channel, but network?
[09:54] <Myrtti> doesnt autofill hostmasks for me
[09:54] <Myrtti> swype, that is
[09:58] <jpds> Tm_T: Channel.
[09:59] <Tm_T> ye, I was talking about the network (:
[12:02] <bazhang> weird. got one of those PM's from the bot, even though I had already removed the +q
 banished: We don't support Microsoft products at all... You know
[13:02] <bazhang> thought skype was in partner repos
[13:02] <Pici> It is.
[13:02] <Pici> !info skype partner
[13:03] <bazhang> theadmin offering some weird advice of late
[13:03] <popey> what about microsoft mice and keyboards?
[13:04] <bazhang> don't they mostly work out of the box?
[13:04] <popey> the extra buttons usually dont
[13:04] <bazhang> my insane Acer kb made for MS everything little key and button works
[13:04] <bazhang> though many I have no idea what they do, until after I have pressed them
[13:06] <Pici> My microsoft wireless keyboard is very annoying.  The F keys are very short and theres not enough space between esc and f1
[13:38] <ikonia> how annoying is that
[13:38] <ikonia> "are you running Ubuntu?" "yes", then the question starts "I am running Debian SID"
[13:38] <ikonia> or lenny
[13:38] <bazhang> very
[13:45] <topyli> while i was checking out gnome 3, i learned something about new debian users. they install stable, then swiftly upgrade all the way to sid, then start pinning stuff from experimental because of their higher version numbers
[13:45] <topyli> or just downloading packages and dpkg'ing them in
[13:46] <topyli> then they're afraid of joining #debian-next because people might expect them to know stuff. instead, they join #debian and try hard to pretend they're running stable. in order to do that, they have to pretend to be even more ignorant than they are
[13:47] <bazhang> ouch!
[13:47] <topyli> end result: not a single problem is solved, and they reinstall, or come (back) to ubuntu
[13:47] <bazhang> recommending kde4 to be used on a slow system?
[13:47] <topyli> (me, stereotyping? moi? never!)

[13:48] <bazhang> some odd advice from him/her
[13:52] <topyli> depends on how slow, but it does work ok
[13:53] <bazhang> recommending kde4 over lxde/openbox seems odd though
[13:53] <topyli> oh absolutely
 coz_, schnuffle it doesn't appear that this system has apt-get... is that possible?
[13:58] <bazhang> I've heard of removing python, but this?
[13:59] <ikonia> it's possible to remove it, but not not have it
[13:59] <bazhang> ah tab complete, it's there
[14:06] <Pici> I've seen a few people with VPSes say that they don't have apt-get, although their providers claim that Ubuntu is installed.
[14:09] <popey> I was thinking about VPSs myself
[14:11] <ikonia> be tough to not have apt on it
[14:16] <popey> some omit it if they do deployment via a panel
[14:17] <Pici> Sounds painful.
[14:22] <ikonia> they should be punished
[14:22] <jpds> ikonia: Real people use dselect.
[14:41] <rww> topyli: just because /you/ do that, doesn't mean we all do. some of us like squeeze thankyouverymuch.
[14:41] <rww> jpds: you are a bad person who says bad things :(
[14:41] <jpds> rww: No.
[14:42] <rww> jpds: dselect is indwelt by demons :(
[14:42] <Pici> demon select
[14:43] <rww> repent of your sins and profess faith in aptitude, the one true package management interface
[14:43] <jrib> finally a voice of reason
[15:07] <Myrtti> aptitude ♥
[16:04] <mneptok> rww: <whisper>i enabled squeeze backports</whisper>
[17:48] <Myrtti> oh good grief
[17:49] <genii-around> It's not the stiletto heels, really, it's the new carpet.
[17:51] <Myrtti> ubuntu and mint are compatible, right.
[18:03] <oCean> slack-m: hi
[18:10] <slack-m> i know why im banned
[18:10] <slack-m> im sorry, you can leave me banned
[18:10] <slack-m> it really was an accident
[18:10] <slack-m> but until i make a new script it might happen again
[18:11] <slack-m> if you have like some kinda notes/file just leave me banned, and ill come back when i fix it
[18:11] <Pici> slack-m: We prefer not to leave stale bans active, perhaps if you could share what you're doing we could understand better.
[18:18] <Pici> slack-m: Perhaps if you didn't join #ubuntu until you fix your script it would be better.
[18:49] <slack-m> Pici, yea, the problem is, what happens is i keep forgetting to remove ubuntu and freenode from my normal irc client and then i spam to the gaming networks(its not for making money or anything like that, they all play the game im talking about and its to organize games) and it comes here accidently
[19:04] <topyli> slack-m: um, if you remove those channels from your autojoin list, they shouldn't magically come back. which client are you using?
[19:06] <slack-m> topyli, hahahahahhaha, i know, lol. I just hate editing the list.
[19:07] <topyli> well you should edit it. it's not fair to use us to babysit your irc client
[19:07] <slack-m> topyli, I'm not laughing at you, I'm just laughing at the thought 'omg my irc client is possesed!'
[19:07] <slack-m> topyli, ok, ill go do it now
[19:07] <topyli> thanks
[19:07] <slack-m> fixed
[19:08] <topyli> thanks
[19:09] <topyli> so who banned you? i'm not a operator in #ubuntu :)
[19:13] <Pici> I think it was rww
[19:21] <topyli> alright. when he regains consciousness, he can lift the ban. or any #ubuntu op can try if the reason is this clear
[19:21]  * Pici thinks it is
[19:23] <topyli> slack-m: anyway, if there is nothing else, you can /part this channel, we'll handle the ban, and you can join #ubuntu when you're certain that your bot won't make any noise in there
[19:23] <slack-m> i wont anymore
[19:24] <slack-m> i removed these channels
[19:24] <slack-m> from autojoin
[19:25] <topyli> oh so we should actually get on with removing the ban then and let *you* in :)
[19:26] <Pici> topyli: I removed the bam.
[19:26] <Pici> bam! no more ban
[19:27] <topyli> yay! go Pici!
[19:53] <Myrtti> slack-m: hello?
[19:54] <slack-m> hello
[19:54] <Myrtti> was there anything else?
[19:55] <slack-m> Nope
[19:55] <slack-m> Just chillin
[19:57] <Myrtti> please note the no-idling policy on the channel :-) we try to keep the channel clear for one case at a time
[19:57] <slack-m> ahh, ok, ttyl
[19:57] <slack-m> ty again <3
[19:57] <Myrtti> ♥


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