[00:08] <naynay> Okay, It wasn't overclocking the CPU, i had stepped up the PCI/AGP bus speeds, but now its working again
[00:10] <Cygnu1> How do I save changes to a file that I've edited in terminal?
[00:14] <TheSheep> Cygnu1: what did you use to edit it?
[00:15] <Cygnu1> Just the terminal.  I did some digging and found a way to save, but for some reason, what I was trying to accomplish (making the System Beep shut the hell up) didn't work.
[00:16] <Cygnu1> I could check my BIOS, see if it has a mute.
[00:16] <Cygnu1> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/blacklist-your-pc-speaker/
[00:16] <Cygnu1> That's what I followed.
[00:16] <TheSheep> the program you used is called 'nano'
[00:16] <TheSheep> that's the text editor
[00:17] <TheSheep> you exit and save with ctrl+x in it
[00:18] <TheSheep> but blacklisting pcspeaker is an ugly solution
[00:18] <Cygnu1> And one that doesn't work.
[00:19] <TheSheep> you can change the sound pitch, length and volume instead
[00:19] <TheSheep> to make it less annoying
[00:19] <TheSheep> for example, try this command in the terminal: xset b 80 1200 5
[00:19] <Cygnu1> ... This sounds like I could turn my System Beep into a musical instrument.  Please elaborate
[00:20] <TheSheep> see the second paragraph from bottom at http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l19/lesson19k.html
[00:21] <Cygnu1> Or... Xset -b
[00:21] <Cygnu1> that just turns it off entirely
[00:21] <Cygnu1> Thanks.
[00:21] <TheSheep> Cygnu1: you will have to add it to your autostarted applications
[00:21] <TheSheep> Cygnu1: it resets on reboot
[00:21] <Cygnu1> Right
[00:22] <Cygnu1> Sheep: Just into Autostarted, and put it into the "Command" field?
[00:22] <TheSheep> yes
[00:23] <Cygnu1> Thanks, I'm new to *nix.
[00:23] <TheSheep> you learn fast
[00:23] <Cygnu1> Oh, I'm not a technotard, I get along fine with Windows-based machines and hardware...  I'm just a little lost right now.
[00:24] <TheSheep> that's understandable
[00:31] <Cygnu1> So, who wants to start a System Beep orchestra
[00:36] <steven_> sys beep orchestra?
[00:40] <steven_> i like the idea
[00:41]  * TheSheep imagines the turkish march played on 16 laptops
[00:44] <steven_> wow that's quite impressve
[00:45] <steven_> what's the diff between clean and autoremove?
[00:46] <TheSheep> clean deletes the package files it downloaded
[00:46] <TheSheep> but doesn't uninstall anything
[00:46] <TheSheep> it just deletes the archives
[00:47] <TheSheep> autoremove uninstalls all packages that were installed as a dependency, but are not needed anymore by any package you installed
[00:48] <steven_> clean vs. autocelan?
[00:48] <steven_> *autoclean
[00:49] <TheSheep> I think autoclean doesn't remove the archives that haven't been installed yet
[00:49] <TheSheep> but not sure
[00:53] <steven_> ahh
[00:53] <steven_> so i cold run
[00:53] <steven_> apt-get autoremove
[00:53] <steven_> apt-get autoclean
[00:53] <steven_> and it would help either way
[00:54] <TheSheep> help in what?
[01:43] <LetsGo67> How can I read a DVD?
[01:49] <pingutemp> VLC?
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> !dvd | LetsGo67
[01:56] <LetsGo67> Doesn,t work odd-rationale.
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> LetsGo67: you added the medibuntu repo and installed libdvdcss2 ? and replaced totem-gstreamer with totem-xine ?
[02:01] <LetsGo67> Lessee...
[02:01] <steven_> how can i rip dvds to my computer?
[02:02] <steven_> like put them in avi format
[02:02] <steven_> so i can keep on external and watch in vlc later
[02:02] <steven_> i need an easy way to do it too
[02:02] <steven_> like put it in the drive and press RIP
[02:02] <Odd-rationale> steven_: try thoggen (ogg) there is another program too but i forgot what it is called...
[02:02] <steven_> thoggen?
[02:03] <steven_> dl'ing
[02:03] <steven_> got it
[02:03] <steven_> now to try
[02:04] <steven_> hmm
[02:04] <steven_> it seems to work
[02:04] <steven_> we will see
[02:04] <steven_> like it will rip menus and subtitles?
[02:05] <steven_> does thoggen rip to avi format?
[02:05] <Odd-rationale> steven_: if you want all that, i would suggets to just make an iso of the dvd.
[02:06] <steven_> i don't know much about the media formats
[02:06] <steven_> how do i make iso?
[02:06] <Odd-rationale> steven_: avi. not yet.
[02:06] <steven_> i want to save to external drive
[02:06] <steven_> to play latert
[02:06] <Odd-rationale> steven_: let me try to rememger the name of that program...
[02:06] <steven_> thoggen allows this?
[02:06] <steven_> thx odd-rationale
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> steven_: yes. thoggen will rip to ogg. i , however prefer to make iso of the dvd. that way i can burn an exact replica of the dvd. there is a program that will shrink the dvd to a 4 gb size that you can store. but i can't remember right now...
[02:08] <steven_> thoggen seems like it will work
[02:10] <steven_> hmm
[02:10] <steven_> k9copy is what i was told in the ubuntu room
[02:10] <steven_> any knowledge?
[02:10] <steven_> is ogg better than avi?
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> steven_: yes, i know. but that is the kde version. there is a gtk version...
[02:10] <steven_> oh f* that
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> steven_: ogg is an open format...
[02:10] <steven_> i hate kde
[02:10] <steven_> ogg quality is good?
[02:11] <steven_> can be watched on a windows comp?
[02:11] <steven_> LOL i didn't say that !
[02:11] <Odd-rationale> steven_: yes. with vlc
[02:11] <LetsGo67> libdvdcss2 doesn't work.
[02:11] <steven_> vlc
[02:11] <Odd-rationale> LetsGo67: did you change totem-gstreamer to totem-xine?
[02:11] <steven_> so if i rip an iso of a dvd
[02:11] <steven_> i can basically click the iso
[02:12] <steven_> and watch using vlc later?
[02:12] <LetsGo67> Odd-rationale: using vlc.
[02:12] <litlebuda>  hi all how do I install fluxbox from a comand line install on a pc whitout network interfaces ?
[02:12] <steven_> i save the iso image to my external
[02:13] <LetsGo67> odd-rationale: how do I play it in totem anyways?
[02:13] <Odd-rationale> litlebuda: you can download the need .deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:13] <Odd-rationale> LetsGo67: vlc should work... i don't know why it wont' work...
[02:14] <LetsGo67> me neither
[02:14] <litlebuda> Odd-rationale, the alternate cd does not have it ?
[02:16] <Odd-rationale> litlebuda: no
[02:16] <steven_> littlebuda it does not
[02:16] <Odd-rationale> steven_: i found it. it is dvd95
[02:16] <Odd-rationale> http://dvd95.sourceforge.net/
[02:16] <steven_> dvd95?
[02:17] <litlebuda> ok thanks Odd-rationale and steven_
[02:18] <steven_> quick ?
[02:18] <steven_> anyone use btnx?
[02:18] <Odd-rationale> gtg
[02:18] <steven_> oh ps is there a way to IRC chat from command line such as not running X?
[02:18] <steven_> thx odd
[02:20] <litlebuda> steven_, bitch or irssi i think
[02:21] <Odd-rationale> steven_: yes. irssi or weechat <-- my favorite
[02:22] <steven_> weechat?
[02:22] <steven_> how do i go about using it?
[02:22] <Odd-rationale> read the manual!
[02:22] <steven_> what's the gui like?
[02:22] <steven_> RTFM right?
[02:22] <steven_> LOL
[02:22] <LetsGo67> steven_ why dvd95?
[02:22] <steven_> god my bad
[02:22] <Odd-rationale> i run weechat in screen in tilda
[02:23] <steven_> what's tilda?
[02:23] <Odd-rationale> a quake-like terminal
[02:23] <steven_> ahh
[02:23] <Odd-rationale> it drops down from the top with a hotkey.
[02:23] <steven_> cool!
[02:23] <Odd-rationale> i'll post a screenshot
[02:23] <steven_> i would like to run IRC in say Ctrl-Alt-F2
[02:24] <steven_> possible?
[02:24] <billenium> What is the equal text editor for xubuntu? sudo gedit /file.txt = ?
[02:24] <Odd-rationale> billenium: mousepad
[02:24] <steven_> mouspad
[02:24] <billenium> Thanks :)
[02:24] <Odd-rationale> billenium: gksudo mousepad
[02:25] <Odd-rationale> steven_: yes. possible.
[02:25] <LetsGo67> dvd
[02:25] <Odd-rationale> steven_: http://imagebin.ca/view/AeMdwagU.html
[02:25] <steven_> that's badass!
[02:26] <steven_> i'm a bit of a n00b
[02:26] <steven_> too big for my britches with the *buntu
[02:26] <steven_> i get lost
[02:26] <steven_> but am too stubborn to admit i have no clue
[02:27] <Odd-rationale> steven_: well, it doesn't require X. you can run it screen. detach a screen session. ssh into remotely. and start it up again!
[02:27] <steven_> umm okay
[02:27] <steven_> kinda lost lol
[02:27] <Odd-rationale> LetsGo67: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[02:28] <steven_> your vlc doesn't work?
[02:28] <steven_> it works for almost every media type ive given it
[02:29] <steven_> LetsGo67: have you looked at psychocats?
[02:29] <steven_> .net
[02:29] <steven_> it's a good resource
[02:29] <LetsGo67> !psychocats
[02:30] <steven_> ?
[02:31] <LetsGo67> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh doesn,t work
[02:32] <LetsGo67> amd64 instructions, oops.
[02:33] <LetsGo67> libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!
[02:33] <LetsGo67> [00000283] main playlist: nothing to play
[02:34] <LetsGo67> Eowsn't work!
[02:34] <steven_> eowsn't?
[02:35] <LetsGo67> No!
[02:36] <LetsGo67> lol
[02:36] <steven_> hmm
[02:36] <steven_> so what else have u tried?
[02:41] <LetsGo67> vlc, medibuntu...
[02:43] <LetsGo67> *sighs8
[02:44] <LetsGo67> ksdjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjfy ttjyKUIHJ.Énm ,ghl;jtygukjhk
[02:44] <steven_> vlc no work?
[02:44] <LetsGo67> fed up
[02:44] <steven_> that's odd
[02:44] <LetsGo67> yes.
[02:44] <steven_> hmm
[02:44] <steven_> what file you trying?
[02:44] <LetsGo67> sorry steven_ been here for nearly two hours.
[02:44] <LetsGo67> dvd protected.
[02:44] <steven_> yeah i feel yo
[02:45] <steven_> *you
[02:45] <LetsGo67> thanks man
[02:45] <steven_> what kind of file you got?
[02:45] <steven_> just a regular dvd?
[02:45] <steven_> you bought it?
[02:45] <steven_> or is is iso file
[02:45] <LetsGo67> when I run vlc in terminal, I see stuff from libdvdread and libdvdnav but not libdvdcss.  Garfield: pacha royal
[02:46] <LetsGo67> Typical protected dvd
[02:46] <steven_> you're running vlc in terminal?
[02:46] <steven_> not x?
[02:48] <steven_> hmmm
[02:48] <LetsGo67> Both.
[02:48] <steven_> okay
[02:48] <steven_> you have internal or external drive?
[02:49] <LetsGo67> internal laptop drive
[02:49] <LetsGo67> used to play dvds all the time
[02:49] <steven_> in buntu?
[02:50] <steven_> or another OS?
[02:50] <LetsGo67> Xubuntu
[02:50] <LetsGo67> used to work smoothy all the time
[02:50] <LetsGo67> Vista for my sis too
[02:50] <steven_> hmm
[02:50] <steven_> you live in US>?
[02:50] <steven_> is it a region1 coded dvd?
[02:51] <steven_> canada
[02:51] <steven_> hmm
[02:51] <steven_> ottowa?
[02:51] <steven_> ottawa i mean
[02:51] <LetsGo67> usa dvd played in canada
[02:51] <LetsGo67> Are you a spy?
[02:52] <LetsGo67> Floridian?
[02:52] <steven_> yes florida
[02:52] <steven_> not a spy lol
[02:52] <LetsGo67> :)
[02:53] <steven_> big fan of canada in general
[02:53] <LetsGo67> Some people suggest I reboot, then try agin.
[02:53] <steven_> we are polar opposites!
[02:53] <steven_> tried?
[02:53] <LetsGo67> Polar opposites?  Oh yeah, you don't get any snow!  :)
[02:53] <steven_> sunshine only
[02:54] <steven_> you have all plugins for vlc?
[02:54] <steven_> pulseaudio and all that jazz?
[02:54] <LetsGo67> that good or bad?  I installed new kernel, could that be it?  I believe so, using 8.04lts
[02:54] <steven_> new kernel as of today right
[02:54] <steven_> as am i
[02:55] <steven_> i have watched 2 dvds since i upgraded kernel and rebooted
[02:55] <steven_> sooo
[02:55] <steven_> have you tryied another dvd?
[02:55] <steven_> to see if it is vlc?
[02:55] <LetsGo67> lesee...
[02:55] <steven_> dumb question
[02:55] <steven_> do you get Suspected RCE Region Protection notice?
[02:56] <steven_> have you tried sudo regionset?
[02:56] <steven_> if that's the problem
[02:56] <steven_> what region dvd is it?
[02:56] <steven_> lol i am flooding
[02:57] <LetsGo67> Yes I get that notice, steven_
[02:57] <steven_> okay
[02:57] <steven_> http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=7e2c1709c992aa572197eae121297c9f&t=810589
[02:57] <steven_> check that out
[02:58] <steven_> that's for audio
[02:58] <steven_> nvm
[02:58] <steven_> wrong thread
[02:58] <LetsGo67> steven_ I am scared to use regionset
[02:58] <steven_> try sudo apt-get remove icedtea-gcjwebplugin openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib && sudo apt-get install alsa-oss faac faad flashplugin-nonfree liblame0 libxine1-ffmpeg non-free-codecs sun-java6-fonts sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin unrar
[02:59] <steven_> regionset can only be done i think 4 times
[02:59] <steven_> then it is locked
[02:59] <LetsGo67> why!?
[02:59] <chris13> I'm new to Linux and I have a pretty simple question
[02:59] <steven_> http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=7e2c1709c992aa572197eae121297c9f&t=766683
[02:59] <steven_> that came from that thread
[02:59] <steven_> okay chris13: go
[02:59] <LetsGo67> type: NONE?  What doesn that mean?  4 vendor resets?  5 user controlled changes resets?
[02:59] <chris13> I have a data partition that is FAT32 that I'm supposed to be able to see with both windows and Xubuntu
[03:00] <steven_> chris13: okay...
[03:00] <chris13> So from Xubuntu how do I get to it?
[03:00] <steven_> LetsGo67: hmmm
[03:00] <LetsGo67> chris13:
[03:00] <chris13> I just don't know where it would be
[03:00] <steven_> chris13: it's in a shared partition?
[03:00] <LetsGo67> what does type:none mean?
[03:00] <chris13> It is just its own partition
[03:01] <chris13> do I have to mount it somehow or something?
[03:01] <steven_> umm
[03:01] <chris13> I'm not familiar with the filesystem so it might be in there somewhere I just haven't found it
[03:01] <steven_> you may have to mount the partition
[03:01] <LetsGo67> So I am region 1?
[03:02] <chris13> ok so how would I see if it is mounted and mout it if necesary?
[03:02] <steven_> yes i believe
[03:02] <steven_> go to your top panel
[03:07] <LetsGo67> DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!  DVD WORKS!
[03:07] <steven_> LOL guess who's happy?
[03:09] <LetsGo67> I AM HAPPY!  ('-')D
[03:10] <steven_> hiphip hooray!
[03:18] <__jericho__> hello, how do i reset my xfce panel to its default state... someone might have messed up with it.. tried it using alt+F2 with xfce4-panel but to no avail...
[03:18] <__jericho__> im using xubuntu 6.06
[03:24] <chris13> whoever was helping me I'm back on irc now
[03:24] <steven_> hey what's up
[03:24] <steven_> did that work?
[03:24] <chris13> got my icons back
[03:24] <steven_> good
[03:25] <steven_> ctrl-alt-backspace restarts x-server
[03:26] <crimsun_> (it kills the X server, really; it's known as zap.  Your startup method may take care of restarting the X server.)
[03:26] <steven_> true
[03:26] <steven_> that's what i mean
[03:26] <steven_> i told him to do it
[03:26] <steven_> and he did before i explained
[03:26] <steven_> lol
[03:26] <steven_> it's okay
[03:27] <__jericho__> how do i reset the panel in xubuntu 6.06
[03:28] <LetsGo67> __jericho__ alt+f2 xfce4-panel ?
[03:29] <__jericho__> tried that already but it did not help
[03:31] <__jericho__> @LetsGo67 there are no menus on the panel only the browser icon
[03:33] <crimsun_> you could try erasing the appropriate file(s) in ~/.config
[03:34] <__jericho__> will try it
[03:36] <__jericho__> btw how do i bring up the terminal in alt+F2?
[03:38] <steven_> xterm
[03:38] <steven_> terminal
[03:38] <steven_> depends which you have
[03:38] <__jericho__> xterm did it thanks
[03:41] <steven_> cool glad i could help
[03:47] <__jericho__> hmm.. i copied the default menu to ~/.config but still the same
[03:48] <__jericho__> maybe i'll just try to upgrade xubuntu through the terminal.. any help on how i'd do that...
[03:49] <steven_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:49] <steven_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:49] <steven_> are you using 8.04 lts?
[03:50] <__jericho__> no still 6.06
[03:50] <steven_> oh wow
[03:50] <steven_> umm
[03:50] <steven_> jericho: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[03:51] <__jericho__> hmm.. thanks steven_
[03:51] <steven_> no pron
[03:51] <steven_> PROB
[03:51] <steven_> update-manager -d
[03:52] <steven_> WARNING: it will take a while
[03:52] <steven_> give it an hour +
[03:54] <steven_> ok?
[03:55] <__jericho__> ok thanks
[03:55] <steven_> it will take some time
[03:55] <__jericho__> can i do it even if i don't have administrator privileges?
[03:55] <steven_> from 7.10 to 8.04
[03:55] <steven_> yeah type alt-f2
[03:55] <steven_> gksudo
[03:56] <steven_> update-manager -d
[03:56] <steven_> then type in ur password
[03:57] <__jericho__> it says i can't run the program
[03:58] <steven_> hmn
[03:58] <steven_> you don;t have admin priveleges?
[03:58] <steven_> who is admin? LOL
[03:58] <__jericho__> root privileges
[03:58] <__jericho__> duh sorry
[03:58] <steven_> lol
[03:58] <steven_> you don't
[03:59] <steven_> type sudo su
[03:59] <steven_> then try
[04:01] <__jericho__> still cant
[04:01] <steven_> hmm
[04:01] <steven_> you're
[04:05] <steven_> gtg huys
[04:05] <steven_> see you all tomorrow!
[04:06] <steven_> LetsGo67: i lost our chat!
[04:07] <steven_> LetsGo67: help!
[04:16] <LetsGo67> YO STEVE!
[04:16] <LetsGo67> steven_
[04:16] <LetsGo67> Gone.
[04:16] <LetsGo67> Bye room!
[04:27] <LetsGo67> How come a DVD only works when made an ISO file, and not when inserted in DVD drive?  How come Fieldy is here?
[04:28] <LetsGo67> How come #gentoo is discriminatory?
[04:29] <LetsGo67> Garfield: pacha royal only works as an iso file, not the actual dvd.
[04:30] <LetsGo67> Fieldy?
[04:31] <LetsGo67> Good day.
[05:45] <q_a_z_steve> Hey, can anyone help me set up a linux screen recorder (vnc2swf or otherwise)?
[06:52] <Isaac_> Under Places, how do you get to My Computer?
[06:52] <Isaac_> I have an internal hard drive I just plugged in, but don't know how to access it.
[07:15] <Narfee> file system
[07:15] <Narfee> I guess
[09:32] <[zEr0-x]> hi everybody!
[09:32] <glitch942003> hi :)
[09:33] <[zEr0-x]> hey I have a question: how can I open (inside Xubuntu), a folder as Root ?
[09:35] <Myrtti> alt-f2, type gksudo thunar
[09:35] <Myrtti> or gksudo thunar /path/to/the/directory
[09:35] <Myrtti> be careful with that though
[09:35] <Myrtti> very, very, very careful
[09:37] <[zEr0-x]> why sir ?
[09:39] <Myrtti> well you don't want to delete your whole system?
[09:39] <[zEr0-x]> no! :)
[09:40] <Myrtti> [and btw, a) irc is informal media and titles and sirs and such are very seldom needed b) if they were used, in this case the correct one would be ma'am]
[09:42] <[zEr0-x]> oh sorry, are you woman ?... I use sir because I'm not a native english speaker, and I'm learning. I know is not an excuse but I'll try 2 the next time.
[09:45] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:46] <Myrtti> I'm from Finland where titles and ma'am's and sirs and like are very seldom used in Finnish language, so seeing that is sorta funny
[09:46] <Myrtti> I don't consider myself to be old enough to be addressed ma'am :-D
[09:49] <[zEr0-x]> anyway, sorry :P xD
[09:49] <Myrtti> no probs :-P
[09:53] <layonman98> hi
[09:54] <layonman98> I'm [zEr0-x] but this is my nick of Xubuntu, I'm running it in here
[09:54] <layonman98> in a VBOx
[09:55] <Myrtti> that I already guessed
[09:55] <layonman98> jajajajaja
[09:55] <layonman98> I've started the system and an strange message appeared
[09:56] <layonman98> It says that I started without administratives privilegies. Why ?
[09:56] <Myrtti> hm
[09:56] <Myrtti> no idea
[09:59] <layonman98> can I give u the link with the message ?
[10:00] <Myrtti> sure
[10:01] <layonman98> ok, hold on a second
[10:03] <layonman98> http://pastebin.com/d4dc6699d
[10:08] <Myrtti> hm
[10:13] <layonman98> what :)
[10:13] <Myrtti> I've got no idea :-D
[10:14] <layonman98> ok, but don't worry, I have more :D
[10:14] <layonman98> If I have an app running, but It seems to be blocked, how can I kill this app ?
[17:15] <ubuntuuu> on ubuntu on screen resolution you could change resolution but how do you change resolution on xubuntu?
[17:16] <TheSheep> settings->setting manager->display
[17:18] <ubuntuuu> ya that did it thanks
[18:33] <Woo_> Will I have to uninstall the GUI if I want to remove OOrg?
[18:35] <keram> hello
[18:36] <keram> have any of you been able to get a dual monitors + dual video card setup working?
[18:36] <keram> i have one integrated intel graphics cards and one ati pci card. and 2 almost identical monitors
[18:38] <keram> when i try to edit the xorg.conf file to include entries for both monitors and both screens and both video cards i get the message "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" when it boots up, and the monitor connected to the internal card does not show anything
[18:39] <keram> here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/fdb6695e
[18:56] <zoredache> keram: I have gotten dual video cards working when both where nvidia. I never got dual-head going with my onboard intel...
[18:56] <keram> ah
[18:57] <keram> well i have at least a small update. i have changed xorg so that the drivers used are intel and ati (rather than nvidia)
[18:58] <keram> i also edited some bios settings so that the default video card to use is the internal one. now when i boot up i still get the low graphics mode warning but the internal monitor works and the ati monitor is displaying the text "ATI MACH64 BOIS P/N 113-40102-101"
[18:59] <keram> the ati card is very old, maybe the proper driver is not "ati" but rather something else?
[18:59] <zoredache> keram: most of the tutorials reccomend that you start by trying to get a working config for each display seperately
[19:00] <keram> ah ok i wil ltry that
[19:00] <zoredache> so try and get the ati working all by itself, and try and get the intel working all by itself.  Once you do that, then try and combine that
[19:02] <keram> ok. that makes good sense
[19:02] <keram> i will be back later if i run into more issues
[19:21] <Woo_> I started the live Xubuntu, the progress bar went back and forwards. Now it is just blinking | on a black screen. Nothing happens. What do I do?
[19:21] <zoredache> how much memory does your computer have?
[19:21] <Woo_> 1GB
[19:22] <Woo_> Well I haven't fully tried them yet
[19:22] <Woo_> I found them in an old computer at the scrap heap yesterday
[19:22] <Woo_> before that it had 256MB
[19:22] <Woo_> the same kind of RAM though
[19:23] <zoredache> tried them?  you mean the ram?  If this is new or new ram to this computer I would be tempted to run through the memory diagnostic
[19:23] <Woo_> It was starting Windows 98 on the old hard drive before I shut it off (it isn't morally right to boot someone else's data)
[19:23] <Woo_> ok so xubuntu has this ram utility?
[19:23] <Woo_> is it an option at first or?
[19:24] <zoredache> I believe it is one of the boot options on the livecd...
[19:24] <Woo_> ok, will go check
[19:26] <Woo_> now it is running
[19:32] <Woo_> so you think it is a ram problem?
[19:34] <zoredache> frequently a black screen for a long period of time indicates that you don't have enough memory.
[19:35] <zoredache> I am a glass-half empty kinda guy.  I do not trust RAM until I have run memtest86 for at least one pass
[19:35] <ampex> so what makes xfce better than gnome or kde?
[19:35] <zoredache> ampex: your opinion
[19:35] <ampex> why do typical xubuntu users prefer it?
[19:36] <zoredache> I prefer it because there is less stuff.  XFCE frequently takes a minimimalist approach
[19:38] <zoredache> because of the minimalist approach it does tend to be faster, and useable on older systems
[19:40] <Woo_> i think it'll be done in 30-40 min
[19:52] <Woo_> it says test 83% pass 23%
[19:52] <Woo_> only 23% of the ram works, or does it mean something else?
[20:00] <wozz> it means 23% of the time it passes every time
[20:01] <MrNaz> Woo_ if your computer says 83% of your ram is ok and 23% is not ok then there's something wrong with your CPU: it obviously cant do basic math
[20:01] <MrNaz> do you have a pentium 3 ?
[20:01] <Woo_> well :P
[20:02] <Woo_> it's funny you should ask
[20:02] <MrNaz> haha
[20:02] <Woo_> the computer i got the ram from had a pentium 3
[20:02] <Woo_> but no, it's an AMD Athlon, doesn't say anymore
[20:02] <wozz> give us the entire line
[20:02] <wozz> not a paraphrase
[20:02] <Woo_> amd athlon 1,3ghz
[20:03] <wozz> not that
[20:03] <wozz> the results of memtest
[20:04] <Woo_> it's not done yet
[20:04] <wozz> okay
[20:05] <Woo_> jesus is it not possible to order national geographic without any tinhorn gadgets?
[20:06] <Woo_> oh nevermind, i didn't scroll
[20:09] <Woo_> how many tests are there?
[20:10] <wozz> i always lost patience with it
[20:10] <wozz> i never got all the way through a memtest
[20:11] <Woo_> 0 errors this far then on test #6, running 45 min
[20:11] <Woo_> so i can clearify the ram isn't the reason xubuntu isn't starting?
[20:12] <temoto-mobi> Why orage is always starting full sized? Why preference window?
[20:12] <zoredache> there are 10 tests, and then it will repeat... after about the 5 or 6th test you usually can be sure your ram is ok...  But on a new computer I usually let it run for at least 24 hours to get lots of passes
[20:13] <zoredache> if you are up to test 6 and there are no errors displayed down in the results window then it probably isn't a bad-ram issue
[20:14] <Woo_> Ok. Why isn't Xubuntu starting?
[20:14]  * zoredache shrugs
[20:14] <zoredache> something isn't happy
[20:16] <zoredache> Woo_: what are you trying to do anyway?  Install or just try out the livecd?
[20:16] <Woo_> install, but the same problem occurs on both
[20:16] <zoredache> if you are trying to install you might want to give the alternate cd
[20:17] <Woo_> nah that is too advanced
[20:17] <zoredache> not really
[20:17] <Woo_> is it like the xp install in the beginning or is it a long text only install?
[20:17] <zoredache> about like a windows xp install yes
[20:18] <Woo_> hmm
[20:18] <Woo_> i have my doubt it will work after that again
[20:20] <wozz> seriously
[20:20] <wozz> just get the alternate cd
[20:20] <wozz> it's no harder than the livecd
[20:20] <Woo_> no i mean after the install
[20:20] <wozz> what?
[20:20] <zoredache> Woo_: it will either work or it won't.  If it doesn't you won't be any worse off then you are right now
[20:20] <Woo_> that it won't boot to the desktop
[20:21] <wozz> that issue is completely seperate than installation
[20:21] <Woo_> not really, if it is a driver issue or something there is no point installing if it won't work afterwards
[20:21] <Woo_> since they use the same drivers
[20:22] <zoredache> Woo_: but with the alternate CD you will be able to fix things after the fact...
[20:22] <zoredache> if it can be fixed...
[20:23] <Woo_> i guess everything can be fixed in linux, yes
[20:23] <Woo_> but i'm not the kind of guy who can type in the terminal and do stuff like that
[20:23] <Woo_> if it doesn't work i try another distro
[20:23] <Woo_> like today ubuntu just stopped working on my laptop
[20:24] <zoredache> Woo_: and you aren't interested in ever learning how to work at a cli?
[20:25] <Woo_> not if it can be done with a graphical interface
[20:26] <Woo_> i mean if ubuntu gave me a clear error today telling me what was wrong (in english), prompting me with yes/no or something that would be ok
[20:27] <zoredache> Woo_: that is a nice thing to hope for, but no operating system is able to do that in all cases...
[20:27] <Woo_> well xp doesn't require me to type much
[20:28] <Woo_> sure in xp it's annoying when it doesn't give you a hint what is causing the crash
[20:28] <Woo_> vista is usually better on that though
[20:29] <Woo_> though, things sems to work better in XP than Ubuntu imo.
[20:29] <Woo_> i think the error had something to do with bread
[20:29] <zoredache> if you are not willing to get your hands dirty a little then Linux probably isn't for you.  Doesn't matter what distro you choose...
[20:29] <TheSheep> Woo_: you have some problems with typing?
[20:30] <Woo_> no, it's more like not knowing what to type
[20:30] <TheSheep> that's temporary :)
[20:30] <Woo_> and GUIs are more self explained
[20:31] <Woo_> zoredache, fair enough. but i don't think linux is advertised around the internet saying that.
[20:32] <zoredache> Woo_: no, there are Linux fan boys, just like there are apple fan-boys, Windows fan-boys, and so on.
[20:32] <Woo_> like on digg they said linux had better fonts. in my experience that is right inside the OS, but a lot of web sites looks worse no matter if i install the MS fonts or the LCD thing
[20:33] <Woo_> my mate was installing kubuntu, it went all right. then when he tried to start it it just gave him a text thing
[20:33] <Woo_> it offered him to say help for commands
[20:33] <Woo_> but typing in the commands didn't help much
[20:33] <Woo_> we both agreed it wasn't very user friendly or giving a good impression if you are going from windows
[20:34] <Woo_> i do like it when it works
[20:35] <Woo_> nice functions here and there, good to do work with
[20:36] <Woo_> there was an old ubuntu installation on this PC once so i think ubuntu will work. but then i won't have any use for the 1,3gb disk. i think i'll need to remove it in favor for a 4gb one
[20:36] <TheSheep> Woo_: Vista has much better default fonts than linux
[20:36] <TheSheep> Woo_: they use a patented technology and they spent a lot of money on font designers
[20:37] <TheSheep> Woo_: so not everything you read is necessarily true
[20:37] <TheSheep> the real power of linux is that whenever there is something you don't like, you can easily change it
[20:39] <Woo_> suppose linux was world dominating, how would games and pay software be installed?
[20:39] <Woo_> and anti virus
[20:39] <zoredache> Woo_: perhaps something like CNR
[20:40] <zoredache> Woo_: as for anti-virus... prevention is far better then detection
[20:41] <Woo_> i guess linux is safer from a starting point
[20:41] <Woo_> but if it had a 90% market share there's bound to be a lot of stuff that the basics can't cover
[20:42] <Woo_> what is CNR?
[20:43] <zoredache> Woo_: click and run... it is a commercial linux site where you can buy software and games...  if you have the client installed... then you 'click and run'
[20:43] <zoredache> http://www.cnr.com/
[21:16] <djouallah> networksetting don't rember my dns setting ?
[21:18] <TheSheep> djouallah: you use dhcp?
[21:18] <djouallah> yes
[21:18] <Drk_Guy> Woah man
[21:18] <Drk_Guy> Xfce is real fast
[21:18] <TheSheep> then the information received from the dhcp server overwrites your settings
[21:19] <djouallah> damn, TheSheep that's unfair, the dns from dhcp is brocken,
[21:19] <TheSheep> djouallah: I have a similar situation, I work around it
[21:19] <TheSheep> djouallah: edit the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf  as root
[21:19] <djouallah> TheSheep, please how ?
[21:20] <TheSheep> djouallah: and add a line: prepend domain-name-servers your.dns.server.here;
[21:20] <djouallah> TheSheep, thxs
[21:29] <Drk_Guy> Hi guys!
[21:30] <Drk_Guy> Is there an equivalent to kwin --replace in xfce?
[21:30] <Drk_Guy> I need it to disable compiz without losing my prefs
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> Drk_Guy: xfwin4 --replace
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> iirc
[21:31] <Drk_Guy> lol
[21:31] <Drk_Guy> Thanks
[21:31] <Drk_Guy> Not found
[21:31] <Drk_Guy> :(
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> Drk_Guy: umm. xfwin ?
[21:32] <Drk_Guy> Not found
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> hold on. i will find out...
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> xfwm4
[21:33] <Drk_Guy> It ran, but compiz is there
[21:33] <Drk_Guy> :)
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> did you --replace ?
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> xfwm4 --replace
[21:33] <Drk_Guy> Yeah
[21:34] <Odd-rationale> but compiz still running?
[21:34] <Drk_Guy> yup
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> hmm.
[21:36] <TheSheep> xfwm4 --replace
[21:36] <TheSheep> ah, right
[21:38] <Drk_Guy> I'll have to relogin
[22:03] <IanXX> what are your reason for choosing xubuntu of the other *buntu distros ?
[22:04] <Odd-rationale> IanXX: lightweightness. speed. xfce is cool.
[22:04] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville is cool...
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> many, many, more... :)
[22:06] <IanXX> cool xfce was the first desktop enviroment i use when i was using freebsd when i had my p3 system
[22:07] <Odd-rationale> IanXX: if you came from *bsd, you might like arch linux...
[22:08] <IanXX> does arch linux have a good package manager like the debian based distros ?
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> IanXX: yeah. pacman is awesome!
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> IanXX: better than apt, imo...
[22:09] <IanXX> ok cool
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> IanXX: Anyways, i shouldn't be soliciting in a *buntu channel... :P
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> IanXX: /join #archlinux if you want to know more...
[22:31] <Narfee> I can't get the net to work on Arch... so I can't get any X to work...
[22:31] <Narfee> that's why I chose xubuntu
[22:56] <thinkmassive> is there an easy way to determine my graphics adapter type (agp, pci-x) without opening the case?
[22:57] <thinkmassive> right now I'm using the integrated intel graphics and that's all I see with lspci
[23:01] <zoredache> you could try the 'aida' boot disk
[23:03] <thinkmassive> well it's a dell and as an upgrade when you order a system they offer ATI Radeon 2400 Pro or XT
[23:03] <thinkmassive> I know it's gotta be low profile, and now that I look at the low profile cards I'm noticing that the only dual-port options are dvi + s-video
[23:03] <thinkmassive> or a double width card
[23:03] <thinkmassive> so I guess I should open the case anyway
[23:04] <thinkmassive> it's not possible to use integrated graphics + discrete, is it?
[23:04] <zoredache> pardon?
[23:06] <zoredache> are you asking if you can use the onboard video card and another card at the same time?  The answer is 'maybe'.  I have computers at work where you can, and I have some where youc an't
[23:06] <zoredache> can't*
[23:06] <thinkmassive> ah ok
[23:12] <Claw6> how to tell my wifi not to connect automatic to networks ?
[23:12] <thinkmassive> set it to manual
[23:13] <Claw6> how / where ?
[23:13] <thinkmassive> can you see the network icon in the panel? it probably looks like some blue bars
[23:13] <Claw6> y
[23:14] <thinkmassive> click that, select Manual Configuration
[23:14] <thinkmassive> then change your wifi from roaming to manual
[23:14] <Claw6> no option there
[23:15] <thinkmassive> does it say Roaming Mode enabled?
[23:15] <Claw6> kk i found it in app/system
[23:15] <Claw6> no
[23:15] <Claw6> not in try icon
[23:15] <Claw6> but can change it in menu off connection devices
[23:17] <Drk_Guy> I got i tguys
[23:17] <Drk_Guy> To disable compiz, you must: kilall compiz && xfwm4 --replace
[23:17] <Drk_Guy> :)
[23:18] <thinkmassive> how is support for Radeon HD 2400Pro in xubuntu 8.04?
[23:18] <thinkmassive> anybody know? :-D
[23:18] <thinkmassive> I only ever use intel integrated lately
[23:19] <zoredache> my expereince with ATI generally has not been so good.


[00:18] <wxl> everytime i have to use bzr instead of git http://www.thepostturtle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Burn-It-Down.gif
[00:22] <wxl> ^ @tsimonq2
 HAHAHAHAHAHA
 But
[00:23] <tsimonq2> !language
[00:23] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:23] <wxl> shhhhh
[00:38]  * wxl covers @TheWendyPower 's sensitive ears
 Bah
 She can handle it XD
 LOL! Sorry it has been such a crazy day!!!!! ... I will get caught up when I get home again.
 @HMollerCl [@TheWendyPower another thing I've seen people complaining is the size of button …], I've noticed it is really large. Let's see what it looks like at 200.
 @TheWendyPower you can do it on you own and try. Right-click on the taskbar "taskbar settings" and you can change button width. (names may change because I have it in spanish)
 (Photo, 515x564) https://i.imgur.com/RVAmEHA.jpg where 200px is set.
 Ya, I figured I would. I needed to nuke my Lubuntu ssd, and I have not gotten it reloaded. I'll get the current daily downloaded and mess with sizes.
 200 looks a lot better! Is there a reason the main menu launch isn't set to the super key?
[18:19] <wxl[m]> It seems that we don't have anything defined. Perhaps because we didn't know what to run? https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fcosmic/src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/openbox/lxqt-rc.xml$389
[18:23] <wxl[m]> There are actually several functions we had in LXDE that are now commented out. Might be another thing to work on…
 I've been looking for that config file this morning. For both the menu launch and the default button width in the task manager. I was hoping to find it before heading out for the rest of the day. I'll be unavailable between 3:00-8:30/9:00 PM MDT today.
[18:30] <wxl[m]> I'm actually out and about and will be gone until late myself but I'm trying to sneak in a couple things on mobile
[18:31] <wxl[m]> It seems lxqt-globalkeys may be the better way to do this but it needs further exploration
[18:31] <wxl[m]> Seems it should be configurable within the LXQt settings
[18:33] <wxl[m]> Although even it still requires an executable to run
 I can see the menu short cut in /etc/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf However, it only has the menu on it. I'm not sure if it was there before changing the keyboard shortcut to the super key.
[18:38] <wxl[m]> I assume what you see is consistent with https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fcosmic/src/etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
[18:38] <wxl[m]> ?
 Yes!
[18:40] <wxl[m]> So that looks like to me it should have the super key toggling the menu. You're saying that's not true?
 It is, after I set it in the Application Menu GUI. It defaults to Alt+F1
[18:44] <wxl[m]> Can you screen shot that for me?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/VOXUvEr.jpg
[18:50] <wxl[m]> Ugh imgur hard to see the full image here
[18:50] <wxl[m]> Can you put that on share.riseup.net? (freer anyways!)
 https://share.riseup.net/#R88b2URW4by1G8dPRKaqBA
[18:54] <wxl[m]> If you sort by description and look for show/hide menu, do you see the super key defined as well?
 If I change it in the "Application Menu" GUI then it shows in the Global Actions Manager" regardless it shows as true in /etc/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
 Here is the screenshot I ment to send. https://share.riseup.net/#laYmNu5zR03JxwarhD4iHw
[19:03] <wxl[m]> Oh interesting! That means there's 4 possible settings and possible sources of conflict:
[19:03] <wxl[m]> 1. Openbox rc.xml
[19:04] <wxl[m]> 2. Lxqt-globalkeys.conf
[19:04] <wxl[m]> 3. Lxqt-globalkeys defaults
[19:05] <wxl[m]> 4. Lxqt-panel menu settings which should be in the configuration
[19:05] <wxl[m]> So we should pick one place and set it there. Ideally globalkeys, but the panel may take over, so that might be the better place. Maybe even make both consistent to be sure
 I remember trying to hunt this down and it being lxqt-globalkeys.
 That's what lxqt-panel triggers.
[19:07] <wxl[m]> If you can set it in the menu settings, it should show up in lxqt/panel.conf
 I think this was an exception though, if I recall correctly.
[19:08] <wxl[m]> Then why does the menu plugin have its own setting?
[19:08] <wxl[m]> I think if we can hit both then we'll be good to go
 I'm not quite sure.
 @TheWendyPower [200 looks a lot better! Is there a reason the main menu launch isn't set to the …], Afaik super_l launch the menu, at least in the daily I have
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> It seems lxqt-globalkeys may be the better way to do this but it needs …], Yes that is
 @HMollerCl [Afaik super_l launch the menu, at least in the daily I have], Each daily has been Alt+F2 for me.
[19:20] <wxl[m]> As soon as I can get in front of a vm again I'll test this out. Unless I can figure out how to send a super key by no machine mobile 🤔
 LOL! Where is lxqt-globalkeys located?
 Should be in .config/lxqt/
 OK, I'll check there in a few.
 ~/.config/lxqt/ to be more precise
 👍👍
[19:23] <wxl[m]> The main one is /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt
 666 messages? Lubuntu development is the devil?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/utTQ52f.jpg
 Haha
[19:29] <wxl[m]> Must be all the daemons
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> The main one is /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt], I found that one, but saw no reference to keyboard launch buttons.
 @SivaMachina [<reply to image>], LOL
 @TheWendyPower [I found that one, but saw no reference to keyboard launch buttons.], Or at least just the one that said true bur wasn't reflected the Application Menu GUI.
[19:40] <wxl[m]> It seems that super is the wrong word
[19:41] <wxl[m]> Meta is the right one
 If I change it to the "Windows key" it reads "Super_L".
[19:44] <wxl[m]> Harumph
[19:44] <wxl[m]> I think I'll need to hack on this when I'm in front of an actual computer
[19:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED51d0e9f039b1: Added pulseaudio-module-bluetooth for BT headsets. See T59#1471.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED51d0e9f039b1
 @TheWendyPower [If I change it to the "Windows key" it reads "Super_L".], In addition I think Openbox wants the "W" key.
[19:47] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Merged your seed diff, doing a seed update and uploading now.
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> I think I'll need to hack on this when I'm in front of an actual comput …], Ya, that would be easier.
[19:50] <wxl[m]> Openbox shouldn't be doing anything as far as I can tell
[19:51] <wxl[m]> Thanks @tsimonq2
[19:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNMTRAYPACKAGINGde385a9372e7: Blacklist from menus.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNMTRAYPACKAGINGde385a9372e7
 It isn't. I was just commenting on the wording. All 3 are different.
[19:52] <wxl[m]> I still haven't figured out anything about the tasksel issue @tsimonq2
[19:52] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Let me bang it out right after this while I have energy.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> I bet you'll say "well duh!" once it's fixed :)
[19:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNMTRAYPACKAGING67c8a62e3a89: Fix the patch order.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNMTRAYPACKAGING67c8a62e3a89
[19:53] <wxl[m]> Doubtful. Germinate is a mystery
[19:54] <wxl[m]> You did see all of @HMollerCl 's work on Launchpad right? We need to teach him Phab 😊
[19:54] <tsimonq2> hehe
[19:55] <wxl[m]> But he does have stuff that needs review and merging
[19:55] <tsimonq2> I will take a look.
 (Photo, 1280x548) https://i.imgur.com/gle73Vn.jpg In all of tis I have Super_L and it works (for the first screen, I have 2)
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> You did see all of @HMollerCl 's work on Launchpad right? We need to te …], happy to learn
[19:59] <wxl[m]> @HMollerCl is that how it works right out of the box?
[20:00] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nm-tray/0.4.0-0ubuntu3
 I believe it is, but It should be better to test in a newer daily
 maybe upstream things have changed. I remeber in some dailies it didn't work out of the box for new created users (but it is fo the one it was created during installation)
 the globalkeyshortcuts.conf I show is the one from xdg, the one in my -.config says:  ... [Super_L.64] ... Comment=Mostrar/ocultar el men\xfa principal ... Enabled=true ... path=/panel/mainmenu/show_hide
 the number after the . is the position in the gui.
 @HMollerCl [I believe it is, but It should be better to test in a newer daily], I'm using the latest daily (2018/09/21) that was available this morning.
 On the positive side, I can print from Lubuntu without issues. 😉
 @TheWendyPower [On the positive side, I can print from Lubuntu without issues. 😉], And the SDDM login looks super nice!
 @kc2bez [And the SDDM login looks super nice!], Thanks 👍👍👍 I really only fixed a minor thing.
 It's the little things. They all add up.
 ^
 😉
 @wxl how is done in phab? I want to change de toolbar button default width to 200px, or the number @TheWendyPower says


[00:03] <bmk789> is it normal for the ume-laucher to be slow?
[00:04] <persia> bmk789, What are you running?
[00:05] <bmk789> intrepid on a centrino duo 1.5ghz
[00:05] <bmk789> behaved the same before i upgraded from hardy
[00:08] <persia> I don't see ume-launcher in intrepid, which is the part that confuses me.
[00:08] <persia> Do you maybe have alternate entries also in your sources.list?
[00:09] <bmk789> doesnt the mobile version use ume-launcher from a PPA?
[00:09] <persia> No.
[00:10] <persia> apt-get install ubuntu-mobile.
[00:10] <bmk789> ok maybe im thinking of the wrong mobile
[00:11] <bmk789> ok its netbook remix, not mobile, my mistake
[00:12] <persia> Ah.  That makes sense.  Yeah, I think they do use a PPA.  Don't know anything about it though.
[00:15] <Teiana> can i find somewhere the .config for the original ubuntu-mobile kernel ?
[00:16] <Teiana> please forgot what i said
[00:16] <Teiana> don't kill me :)
[00:20] <persia> Teiana, /boot/ shoudl have it :)
[00:22] <ogra> bmk789, ume-launcher (or netbook-launcher as its called in intrepid) needs a graphics card with full GL and composite support
[00:23] <Teiana> thanks :)
[00:23] <ogra> dont use the PPA packages in intrepid ! all packages the netbook remix used are in the archive
[00:25] <bmk789> ogra: so i can remove the ppa and still have all the packages?
[00:25] <Teiana> what is the PPA packages ?
[00:26] <ogra> ume-launcher was renamed to netbook-launcher, all the others have the same name they had in the PPA, yes, you *should* remove the PPA these packages are all compiled against hardy libraries
[00:27] <bmk789> ogra: great, thanks
[00:28] <bmk789> works so much better now
[00:30] <ogra> bmk789, send kisses, flowers and beer to james_w :)
[00:32] <Exaltia> *dcc send roses : Error, protocol_non_virtual_items: Not implemented ;)
[00:36] <Exaltia> what the... i promised i didn't drinked, i saw 2 ian_brasil!
[00:37] <persia> ian_brasil has many avatars.
[00:38] <Exaltia> :)
[00:38] <james_w> ogra: there are Intrepid packages in the PPA
[00:39] <ogra> james_w, oh, really ?
[00:39] <ogra> thats not so good
[00:39] <ogra> we'll never manage to keep them in sync
[00:39] <james_w> yeah
[00:39] <james_w> I think it's due to there focus on stable releases
[00:40] <persia> It's a PPA.  The PPA team should be able to do what they like.
[00:40] <ogra> which is fine, but people hat used the PPA manually in hardy might get experimental packages from the intrepid PPA
[00:40] <ogra> intsead of the stable ones
[00:41] <Exaltia> i may look dumb (if it's not already done) but what means ppa ?
[00:41] <ogra> i guess neil wont stop building test packages even after release
[00:41] <persia> ogra, Yeah, well, tell them not to do that.
[00:41] <persia> If people sign up for a PPA, they get the risks of a PPA.
[00:41] <ogra> he should better put them in a separate PPA
[00:42] <persia> Why?
[00:42] <ogra> persia, well, they will never be aware there are stable packages otherwise
[00:42] <persia> Yes, but if they signed up for a PPA, they may well want the PPA packages.
[00:43] <ogra> so do you want to debug their issues here ?
[00:44] <ogra> i'm fine dong that for the packages we have in the official archive ... but having to dig into peoples sources.lists to find out what they use to find out if a bug is in our package will just be painful
[00:45] <persia> Only long enough to determine that they are using a PPA, and suggest that they not do so.
[00:45] <persia> I don't see that it's any different than any other PPA.  I refuse to try to monitor PPAs to determine who broke what.
[00:46] <ogra> but the PPA was the only way to get the packages in hardy
[00:46] <ogra> so most people using UNR in hardy will have it
[00:46] <persia> That's true of *lots* of packages for every release since PPAs existed.
[00:46] <ogra> yes, and it makes support very painful
[00:47] <persia> Yes.  That's one of the things I've learned to dislike about PPAs.
[00:47] <persia> On the other hand, I'm not going to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their PPA : I'll simply recommend users not use PPAs.
[00:48] <persia> If users choose to use PPAs, that means they may get limited support from me.
[00:48] <ogra> Exaltia, PPA = Presonal PAckage Archive (on launchpad.net)
[00:48] <ogra> well, the situation is special here
[00:48] <persia> (depends on the package : if it's not a PPA package, and it's one I can support, I'll support someone using a PPA for other packages)
[00:48] <persia> Why is it special?
[00:48] <ogra> if they wanted the apps in hardy, they were forced to the PPA
[00:49] <persia> How is the UNR PPA different from e.g. the UbuntuEEE repo?
[00:49] <ogra> if they upgrade to intrepid the PPA is still there
[00:49] <ogra> do we have the eee packages in the archive ?
[00:49] <persia> Well, update-manager will disable it on upgrade, unless that PPA has a special update-manager.
[00:49] <ogra> and do they go on developing them with the stable release name tagged to it ?
[00:49] <ogra> ah
[00:50] <ogra> ok, then we should be fairly safe ... unless they are stupid enough to use apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[00:50] <ogra> i.e. because u-m didnt fit the screen in hardy :)
[00:51] <persia> Yeah, well, there will always be systems that aren't configured properly.  All we can do is educate, and encourage people to use the standard repositories as much as possible.
[00:51] <ogra> no
[00:52] <ogra> first we need to find out that their systems are not configured properly
[00:52] <ogra> which can take you hours
[00:53] <persia> Actually, asking if someone has a third-party repo enabled is usually my first question when I get lost providing support in an area I think I understand.
[00:55] <Exaltia> thanks ogra
[01:49] <Exaltia> looks like linux-kernel-devel doesn't exist in the packages list
[01:49] <Exaltia> (found such package name in the howto to recompile the ubuntu kernel)
[01:50] <persia> Exaltia, apt-get soruce linux-image-2.6.27; apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.27
[01:50] <Exaltia> can i kiss you ? :)
[01:52] <persia> Difficult over IRC.
[01:54] <Exaltia> :)
[01:54] <Exaltia> Exaltia has quit irc [Buffer overflow] ;)
[02:06] <persia> OK.  I've completed a round of testing on the current images.  If anyone else wants a go : see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntumobile/all
[02:16] <Exaltia> taking it, will try tomorow :)
[02:17] <Exaltia> (on a virtual machine by the way, no more physical computer available for tests atm)
[02:25] <Exaltia> persia : just reread a bit of what you said with ogra about ppa
[02:26] <Exaltia> if someone use such ppa, will it be ok to tell those user something like "hey, this is ppa, for support, don't contact ubuntu, contact X" ?
[02:27] <persia> Well, I usually say something like "I'm sorry, I'm not sure how that package might have been modified from the standard sources.  You might want to ask the patch author."  "don't contact ubuntu" is a very strong phrase, and most users who use PPAs *should* contact Ubuntu for the majority of their issues.
[02:29] <Exaltia> it was no more than a rhougly example flavored by tiredness (?) :)
[02:29] <persia> No worries.  I am just (perhaps overly) particular about phrasing and nomenclature.
[02:29] <Exaltia> i understand
[02:31] <Exaltia> i think i "fall" under those ppa users afterall
[02:32] <persia> Exaltia, So, as a PPA user, do you feel like you don't get support?  Do you feel that we're being overly strict when we can't help you with PPA packages?
[02:32] <Exaltia> not at all :)
[02:32] <Exaltia> you got a point :)
[02:34] <Exaltia> but
[02:34] <persia> but?
[02:35] <Exaltia> what are the obligations if a company start to give ppa to their customers ? based on ubuntu, is this allowed, first ? (maybe the most suitable channel for that is #ubuntu?)
[02:38] <persia> I think it's permitted.  There are some restrictions about nomenclature related to the use of the term "Ubuntu" if changes are applied, although the specific thresholds aren't something I understand clearly.
[02:39] <persia> Most importantly, I think you can't claim that something is "Ubuntu" unless it is derived from the official archives directly, except in certain jurisdictions or with certain preapprovals.
[02:42] <Exaltia> in that case, it is derivated from ubuntu-mobile to be precise what i've just done is to build my own ppa, derivated from an official repository, who i added a few package, and maintaining it in a "desyncronised" manner
[02:45] <persia> I think that's either a "remix" or a "derivative", although I'm not sure exactly which.
[02:47] <Exaltia> i'm gonna bookmark the legal section of ubuntu site, as i'm sure there's one, and readingit carefuly tomorow, or it will my brain who will be remixed, it's 4am there :)
[02:48] <Exaltia> thanks again for all the help
[02:48] <persia> No problem.  Good luck with your project.
[02:53] <Exaltia> that's what i've said first "don't contact ubuntu" i would feel<PHONE_NUMBER>000% culprit to rely to an open comunity for support on a thing i've, as a company, modified myself, better word would probably be "unfair"
[02:54] <persia> Certainly.  There are ways to integrate, and if you were actively improving Ubuntu, rather than having a separate patchset, and offering sales/support for Ubuntu, I suspect there wouldn't be any confusion.
[02:54] <persia> With a separate patchset, you probably have to be more careful.
[02:57] <Exaltia> ok
[02:57] <Exaltia> i'm going, would be a pleasure to talk later, good night everybody
[06:34] <lool> heya
[10:47] <Exaltia> greetings there
[11:10] <Exaltia> persia : finally, the trademark legal notice on ubuntu site is very explicit , as it's not permiting to use ubuntu name and artwork for commercial use :)
[11:11] <persia> Exaltia, I'm glad you found an authoritative resource with the information you seek.
[11:12] <Exaltia> :)
[12:36] <sharp_eyes> hi
[12:36] <sharp_eyes> how are u all
[12:37] <sharp_eyes> is this ubuntu for moiles
[12:37] <sharp_eyes> ????
[12:37] <kunwon1> sharp_eyes, yes
[12:37] <kunwon1> sharp_eyes, check out the channel topic, has cd images
[12:38] <persia> Well, USB images, but something to test or install.
[12:59] <persia> Team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting.
[13:21] <blackgold> any tool to configure external monitor resolution? included applet dont allow to change resolutions at all. (ubuntu-mid)
[13:23] <blackgold> with external monitor disconnected, aspire one boot into correct laptop res of 1024x600, with connected, both displays use 640x480
[13:26] <ian_brasil> blackgold: you are running ubuntu-mid on an aspire one?
[13:26] <blackgold> yes
[13:27] <ian_brasil> i am running ubuntu-mobile and the second monitor works fine
[13:27] <blackgold> what is difference between mid and mobile?
[13:28] <ian_brasil> mid id based on hildon
[13:28] <ian_brasil> mobile is more a standard gnome with some ui tweaks
[13:29] <blackgold> so... you have 1024x600 on aspire one and 1280x1024 or something on external display? mine is 1680x1050 20"
[13:29] <blackgold> i just want to use correct resolution on my external display
[13:29] <ian_brasil> yes, the external picks up the same res as the screen IIRC
[13:30] <ian_brasil> i did not need to configure anything anyway
[13:31] <blackgold> good to hear, i'll try mobile then. hildon also segfault if i try to run openarena and glxgears gives only 120 fps
[13:32] <blackgold> on linpus it was 400 fps or something
[13:33] <blackgold> (and they still not updated openarena package for interpid, 0.8 release was long ago)
[13:33] <ian_brasil> well hildon is for a much smaller form factor and i do not think much optimization has been done for running stuff
[13:33] <persia> certainly not for openarena :)
[13:33] <ian_brasil> we run true combat elite on ubuntu mobile here and it rocks
[13:33] <blackgold> cool
[13:34] <blackgold> i thought that mobile mean mobile phone or something :P
[13:34] <persia> Yeah.  Mobile should be clean for gaming.
[13:34] <persia> No.  Mobile computer.  Like a laptop, except not so big.
[13:35] <blackgold> i probably may just install correct mobile package or gnome desktop or something? without reinstalling from mobile image?
[13:40] <persia> blackgold, You can't easily switch from MID to Mobile or Desktop.  You can freely switch between Desktop and Mobile (apt-get install ubuntu-desktop vs. apt-get install ubuntu-mobile)
[13:42] <blackgold> i see. thanks guys
[13:42] <ogra> persia, why wouldnt that work on -mid ?
[13:42] <ogra> the packages should be there
[13:43] <ogra> nobody has tested that, but still ... it should be possible
[13:43] <persia> ogra, arch-dependent compilation flags on lpia.  WIthout a hildon desktop, lots of stuff breaks.
[13:43] <persia> I'll write a spec for jaunty, and file bugs.
[13:44] <ogra> ah, right, i always forget about that
[13:51] <ian_brasil> paste.ubuntu.com/61509/
[13:55] <persia> ian_brasil, risky to hardcode sda, but probably safe for devices with only one source of secondary storage.
[13:56] <ian_brasil> persia:yes it seems like a sane default
[13:56] <ogra> and you wouldnt want ext3 if your target is an SSD
[13:57] <ian_brasil> right
[13:57] <persia> Unless you have something that uses e.g. /dev/mmcblk0p1, /dev/mmcblk0p2, /dev/mmcblk0p3
[13:57] <ogra> whats wrong with using UUID ?
[14:00] <Exaltia> could it be possible that NetWorkManager has trouble handling right wifi with hidden ssid ?
[14:08] <ian_brasil> maybe use  LogFS if it is SSD ?
[14:09] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ blkid /dev/sda1
[14:09] <ogra> /dev/sda1: UUID="cb9aedc3-6a43-42e6-a732-bc76cc0c6276" TYPE="ext3" SEC_TYPE="ext2"
[14:09] <ogra> use blkid :)
[14:09] <ian_brasil> ogra: cool!
[14:18] <ogra> ian_brasil, ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[14:19] <ogra> for the counterpart
[14:25] <ian_brasil> ogra: will look at that , thx
[16:55] <ian_brasil> just reread the meeting..i have a server with webfaction and can temporarily host www.ubuntumobile.org and www.ubuntumid.org (well, depending on expected traffic anyway...they might be a bit pissed with me if it eats up lots of webfaction bandwidth)
[21:37] <superm1> Hi, i just grabbed the last ubuntu-mid daily from today and loaded it onto a mini 9 just to take a look at things.  Is the font supposed to be as large as I'm seeing it? I have to scroll through the list of networks offscreen in network manager - and there are only 7 networks here..
[21:41] <superm1> oh i suppose the mobile flavour makes more sense for this device  than the mid flavour