[00:46] <phillw> drab: the guest I could ask for would a geek from edubuntu, those crazy guys have gone done put in lubuntu OS over original GNOME a few years back... Ask on the mailing list and you will have people like edubuntu, melodie etc want to help where they can...... I'm name of this channel, so do, please, ping me.. I care, and the people I call friends on here..... Well, they care..
[00:47] <phillw> wxl: urgent ping.... 1st time ever
[00:52] <phillw> drab: I do know that community spins have been 'dropped' and they seldome work..... A bit annoying as we provide the non-pae kernels for teams with support for older computers..... I'm not too sure who to ask, but melodie does have a really great community spin, and it would certainly worth chatting to her...
[00:54] <phillw> drab: ask on the mailing list
[00:57] <phillw> wxl: ping
[00:58] <phillw> wxl: ping
[01:01] <phillw> wxl: pong .... all yours :) list is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO#Use_press_announcement-1 just tick them off once released :)
[01:26] <wxl> phillw: sorry, sorry. work stuff. thanks for everything!
[01:36] <phillw> wxl: did you do this???
[01:36] <phillw> Nio Wiklund<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mar (13 days ago)to me, ∅Hi Walter,
[01:36] <phillw> If possible, please approve me as a member of the etherpad user group :-)
[01:36] <phillw> Best regards
[05:41] <phillw> wxl: ....
[06:48] <phillw> wxl: email, Fb, G+ and I think maybe twitter.... blog on lubuntu.me still needs doing.... And, with that... I'm back off to my alcove!!!
[15:58] <drab> phillw: will do, thank you.
[16:08] <phillw> wxl: Julien will looom into the oversize alt images over the weekend, I've let him know server has also gone over size.
[16:23] <agaida> drab: do you found a solution for your shutdown problem? if not you should look into policykit settings
[16:24] <agaida> http://superuser.com/questions/354678/what-is-the-correct-way-to-prevent-non-root-users-from-issuing-shutdowns-or-rebo
[16:35] <drab> agaida: thanks, I figured out I had to look into policikit, but didn't get around that, still trying to figure out the bigger issue of global settings
[16:35] <drab> I'm finding several configs that seem to both exist in /usr and /etc, overlapping between lxde and openbox, trying to work that one out yet
[16:36] <drab> but will port to the ml as phillw suggested too as soon as I get a moment today
[16:36] <drab> thank you
[16:38] <phillw> drab: ml is the best source for lubuntu issues.
[16:42] <drab> phillw: just to be clear, user ml or should I hit -dev one with these questions
[16:42] <drab> ?
[16:47] <phillw> user ml .... dev is smaller and more about testing.... the users hang out on user :)
[16:49] <drab> k, thanks
[16:54] <wxl> phillw: dude, i fell asleep before they could freaking release. :/
[16:58] <phillw> wxl: I had 3 hours sleep.... something awoke me.... lenny is strong within me for some crazy reason...
[16:59] <wxl> phillw: well thanks again for being the hero
[17:07] <phillw> wxl: It's what I'm here for, not withstanding earlier fall outs... I'm here... Had a chat with teward about transfer to new wiki system, so chase is on for him and JasonO getting a WO site up over Easter :D
[17:07] <wxl> phillw: great. i'm glad time marches on :)
[17:08] <wxl> meanwhile work's wordpress is pissing me off </offtopic>
[17:08] <phillw> wxl: did you not make blog yet? ?!!!!
[17:08] <wxl> phillw: looks like raf did
[17:08] <wxl> phillw: i'm talking about my workplace
[17:09] <phillw> ah, well that pile shite is different to another person's pile of shite...
[17:09] <wxl> yes i know :)
[21:48] <gil> Hey guys - is it a known bug that an update-manager -d update gives a "unresolvable problem" error and leaves the ubuntu art daily repository in sources afterwards?
[21:50] <phillw> gil: can you explain from what version and why you are issuing that command?
[21:51] <gil> phillw from 15.10 and I just wanted to do a quick and dirty update to Beta 2
[21:51] <phillw> gil: sudo update-manager -d -c
[21:51] <phillw> :D
[21:51] <gil> Huh! let me try :)
[21:51] <phillw> do not forget the -c :)
[21:52] <phillw> gil:  Oh, and do click on Upgrade and not OK, which is the default.... been there, done it!!!
[21:53]  * teward blows up randomly
[21:53] <teward> phillw: won't be me getting it up - because E:Dead this weekend
[21:53] <gil> phillw thanks :)  I'm going to have a try now
[21:53] <gil> weird I'm still getting unresolvable
[21:54] <gil> I think I can see what's broken
[21:54] <gil> but I'm not sure why
[21:54] <gil> let me just confirm
[21:57] <gil> Right yeah: As part of the upgrade process, Lubuntu Art Daily (ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-art/daily/ubuntu) is being added to my sources - this repository contains two packages, plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-lubuntu-text that require a later version of Plymouth than is available
[21:58] <phillw> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && and sudo update-manager -d -c
[21:58] <phillw> try that ^^
[21:58] <gil> phillw ....but first remove the daily repository that's been added to my sources by the failed upgrade process I'm assuming?
[22:00] <phillw> gil:  let me fire up a VM
[22:01] <gil> I'm wondering if this is related to the new 16.04 LTS final beta that was released today
[22:01] <phillw> buga..
[22:01] <gil> (ubuntu 16.04 LTS final)
[22:03] <phillw> gil: no, i saw that as i tested the amd64 yesterday to confirm MATE saying it worked.
[22:03] <gil> ahh okay
[22:03] <gil> the conflict I'm having is definitely around the version of Plymouth
[22:04] <phillw> the cli command should not have that...
[22:06] <gil> phillw depends Plymouth >=0.9.2-3ubuntu1~
[22:06] <gil> is that the version in Beta 2?
[22:07] <phillw> gil: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds/115280/testcases/1310/results this worked ofr me and is the test case...
[22:08] <phillw> *for
[22:08] <gil> phillw hmmm in that case, is this likely to be a local issue? If so, I'll refrain from reporting it
[22:08] <gil> I thought I had a relatively clean install :-\
[22:09] <phillw> no, please do report it.... if it is not working file a bug!!!!
[22:09] <gil> I don't want to report it though and get laughed at if some weird local package is causing the conflict
[22:09] <gil> although I can't see how, because the conflict occurs when the update adds the daily art repo :)
[22:09] <phillw> no one EVER gets laughed at for filing a bug...
[22:10] <gil> Okay I'll get on it :)
[22:10] <gil> Mostly I'm bummed because I wanted to play with shiny shiny over the Easter break :)
[22:12] <phillw> gil: do you have separate /home?
[22:14] <gil> phillw no sir. Just / and swap both on an extended partition
[22:15] <phillw> well get /home moved..... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving This is a really important thing to do.... But, back up 1st :)
[22:17] <gil> phillw at least you've given me something to do over Easter now :D
[22:18] <phillw> having /home is always a good idea.... We can re-install and keep 'our' stuff :D
[22:18] <gil> I have separate home on the box, but on my laptop, I obviously wasn't paying attention during install :)
[22:21] <phillw> well  pay attention next time!!!!
[22:22] <gil> Yessir! :)
[22:22] <phillw> but, I do not know why your 15.10 --> 16.04 upgrade has failed... possibly you have got extra repos turned on, that need turning off.
[22:22] <gil> That's likely. I just have a couple of non-invasive ones, such as Dropbox and Chrome
[22:22] <gil> I can't see how they would affect it, but I suppose it's possible
[22:23] <phillw> seit back to the defaults.... I had to turn chromium off, it was broken.
[22:23] <phillw> the error report will tell you which ones to turn off.
[22:24] <gil> Okay - noob question here
[22:24] <gil> but I can get a detailed error report? I've just been digging around myself to try and figure it out
[22:24] <gil> I just get an error box pop up, I click okay and it cancels the install - I didn't see the error report option!
[22:29] <phillw> menu --> system tools -> synaptic package manager .... enter password.... Settings tab --> repositories Ubuntu Software tab ..... top 3 ticked... Other Software tab Canonical partners (both) ticked....... Updates, top two clicked..... Developer options ... tick in the box....... synaptic will then want to to update istself.
[22:33] <phillw> let it do that, reboot and then do the sudo update-manager -d -c command
[22:35] <gil> phillw thanks, appreciate that. Should Developer options be a tab in Synaptic?
[22:36] <phillw> I have it turned on (ticked) when running release +1 (in this case, 16.04).
[22:37] <gil> Ahhhh right. I won't see it then if I'm still on 15.10
[22:52] <phillw> the default for 15.10 will work fine.... I moved two clean 15.10s to 16.04 .... when you change repos, it can get complicated.
[22:57] <gil> phillw I think I figured out what is causing my issues :-\    quite embarrasing, I forgot that I had a repo with some git versions of the intel chipset video drivers. Looks like a lot of broken xorg deps in the logs. Now I just have to figure out a simple way of reverting back to the official 15.10 versions before I try upgrade again
[22:58] <phillw> it is usually repos that mess things up.. Hence My saying what the defaults are :)
[23:09] <gil> phillw yeah, I just assumed that by unselecting them, they would get replaced by default stuff as part of the upgrade process. Apparently not
[23:09] <gil> aka gil is so lazy
[23:13] <gil> phillw on the bright side, I just learnt all about ppa-purge - that's a nifty tool there
[23:14] <phillw> yes, we have it on our wiki dev page for the brave :)
[23:15] <phillw> gil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#PPA_Testing
[23:21] <gil> I can't believe how well that worked
[23:21] <gil> it saved me at least an hour of manual reverts
[23:27] <phillw> gil: I do take the time to write up the wiki pages for a reason, and others now also update other areas.... But I recall mine :D
[23:28] <gil> :)
[23:28] <gil> ...and with that, it looks like my update problem has resolved itself
[23:28] <gil> magic!
[23:28] <phillw> the update was not a problem, the repos were :P
[23:29] <phillw> the instructions, we know, work :P
[23:30] <gil> Yes. I deserve all of this :)
[23:30] <phillw> and even I do PEBKAC ... and have ohshitmoments ...


[21:39] <philipballew> Hey, I am working on a project to get post cards from all across the Ubuntu community and want to know if someone from your team can please send me one from Egypt?
[21:40] <philipballew> I want to show that Ubuntu is used everywhere.


[02:27] <TheMuso> c
[08:29] <evand> lfaraone: ok, I'll take a look at it today
[10:15] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r209 ubuntu/ (66 files in 3 dirs):
[10:15] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: Ask how much of the VG should be used for logical volumes, rather than
[10:15] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: unconditionally using it all (LP: #160156).
[10:32] <gomersion> Hi. Does anyone know if its possible to enable dm-multipath during an ubuntu install? Are there command line options to pass which enables it?
[10:59] <cjwatson> there's been some work on that in jaunty, but probably doesn't work in prior releases
[10:59] <cjwatson> I think it's disk-detect/multipath/enable=true in jaunty
[11:00] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r210 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 32ubuntu2
[11:23] <gomersion> Ok. thanks
[11:24] <gomersion> I'll give that a try
[12:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3026 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/timezone_map.py):
[12:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Only select cities that are in the same UTC offset as where the mouse
[12:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: clicked.
[12:20] <evand> Short of the poor lining up of the map against the time zone cities, the time zone map should be usable now.
[12:51]  * cjwatson perpetrates some entertaining ncurses abuse
[12:57] <cjwatson> I think I may have cracked manual package selection
[13:21] <cjwatson> except for some reason it's exiting right after displaying the terminal
[13:24] <cjwatson> oh, I forgot to override SIGCHLD handling, bah
[13:43] <lfaraone> evand: great.
[13:58] <CIA-3> user-setup: cjwatson * r153 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog user-setup-udeb.install):
[13:58] <CIA-3> user-setup: Disable installation of pre-pkgsel.d/10kdesudo; it does nothing for
[13:58] <CIA-3> user-setup: Ubuntu, and causes a confusing message that worries some people.
[14:38] <cjwatson> sudo bterm -f /usr/share/oem-config/unifont.bgf -l en_GB.UTF-8 -- sh -c 'env DEBCONF_USE_CDEBCONF=1 DEBCONF_DEBUG=20 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug NCURSES_TRACE=8191 ./progress.config 2>err'
[14:39] <cjwatson> ridiculous test-harness command lines of our time
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Anybody report issues with Ubuntu Jaunty alternate cd failing to install?
[14:55] <cjwatson> frequently ;-) you're going to have to be a *little* bit more specific than that!
[14:57] <charlie-tca> failing at 6%, missing packages at lib-c6?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> The following packages have unmet dependencies: Feb 13 14:28:07 in-target:   libart2.24-cil: Conflicts: libart2.0-cil but 2.20.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[14:59] <charlie-tca> also libgconf2.24-cil
[14:59] <charlie-tca> libgnome-vfs2.24-cil
[15:00] <charlie-tca> Then three missing pacages
[15:00] <cjwatson> that's not an installer bug, it just means the system isn't actually installable at the moment
[15:01] <cjwatson> the installer is just the messenger
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Who needs to know, or is it bug report time?
[15:01] <cjwatson> we have automatic reports for this so it usually sorts itself out
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Okay. Thanks
[15:01] <cjwatson> it's good to report this when a milestone is coming up, but when it's just a random daily build it tends to be unnecessary
[15:01] <cjwatson> but thanks :)
[15:48] <evand> welcome :)
[15:48] <shtylman_> thank you :)
[15:49] <shtylman_> my current branch is ~shtylman/+junk/ubiquity but I will rename it at some point, I was just following a quick bzr guide as I had never used it before until like 3 days ago
[15:50] <cjwatson> ~shtylman/ubiquity/arbitrary-name-for-your-branch would be neater and would make it show up on the ubiquity project page
[15:51] <shtylman_> ahh..thanks for the heads up, I will do that... any advice on how to do that if I already have that branch? is there a move I can use?
[15:52] <cjwatson> there's a rename feature in LP
[15:52] <shtylman_> excellent
[15:52] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~shtylman/+junk/ubiquity/+edit
[15:52] <cjwatson> the naming scheme is OWNER/PROJECT/NAME by which you should be able to figure out which bits to edit
[15:56] <shtylman_> ok, done...it is now ~shtylman/ubiquity/kdeui
[16:00] <evand> shtylman_: if you follow the IRC notification part of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment , your commits will show up in here and will generally make it easier to follow the changes you're making
[16:01] <evand> not a requirement though :)
[16:02] <shtylman_> what type of changes does it notify? and would this be recommended? I don't have a problem setting it up if its helpful
[16:04] <shtylman_> (side questions about bzr) I previously made a change to the timezone_map.py file for testing, but now I just want to replace mine with the one from the master branch, I know I can merge and commit, but I don't want to merge, just replace...help?
[16:05] <cjwatson> merge, copy the .OTHER file to yours, resolve
[16:05] <shtylman_> thanks
[16:06] <cjwatson> or copy the file from the other branch after merging but before committing, if the merge doesn't leave a .OTHER file
[16:07] <cjwatson> you can also do stuff with bzr diff -rbranch:../wherever | patch but TBH this way is easier
[16:08] <shtylman_> yea...the .OTHER approach worked, thanks ... I am finding bzr to be more like svn (in commands and behavior) than git, even though it is also distributed
[16:08] <evand> it notifies the channel of every commit, it's generally helpful as it's much easier for us to keep track of your branch
[16:09] <shtylman_> every commit? or every push?
[16:11] <evand> every commit
[16:14] <cjwatson> most of us use "bound branches" so that commit==push
[16:14] <cjwatson> although I unbind if I'm going to be without network access for a while
[16:14] <cjwatson> (bzr help bind, bzr help unbind, bzr help checkout)
[16:14] <shtylman_> interesting...I will look into that
[16:14] <cjwatson> or maybe bzr help checkouts, more usefully
[16:15] <cjwatson> bzr is more like cvs/svn command-wise by design, yes
[16:15] <cjwatson> whereas git is explicitly unlike them by design; philosophical difference
[16:16] <shtylman_> heh
[16:18] <shtylman_> what is really cool to me is how well it integrates with launchpad
[16:19] <shtylman_> makes starting development and keeping up really easy
[16:19] <evand> indeed, launchpad is fantastic for such things
[16:25] <shtylman_> to do the bound branch, can I just bzr checkout my branch? I did that but now I want to merge changes from the master branch and it is complaining, is there more I need to do to inform it of the master branch? like to I have to re bind to the master then merge and bind back?
[16:25] <cjwatson> to convert a normal branch to a bound branch, 'bzr bind lp:~...'
[16:25] <cjwatson> you should not bind to the master branch; that will create confusion
[16:26] <cjwatson> what is the complaint?
[16:26] <shtylman_> k
[16:26] <shtylman_> no location specified...I think cause I never bound after the checkout
[16:26] <cjwatson> um
[16:26] <cjwatson> more likely that you didn't give a branch to bzr merge?
[16:26] <shtylman_> yea :)
[16:27] <cjwatson> normal would be 'bzr merge lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk' or 'bzr merge /path/to/local/checkout/of/same'
[16:27] <shtylman_> ahhh
[16:27] <cjwatson> you only have to do that the first time; it will remember thereafter, as long as you're only ever merging from a single branch
[16:28] <shtylman_> ok
[16:30] <shtylman_> ok, cool...all is well, thanks
[16:36] <davmor2> evand: Hello why is encrypted home being dropped?
[16:36] <davmor2> or is it just from ubiquity?
[16:36] <evand> davmor2: security concerns.  It's not really encrypted if swap is not encrypted.
[16:37] <davmor2> evand: so will it be dropped from d-i too then for that reason?
[16:37] <evand> yes
[16:37] <davmor2> Okay :)
[16:40] <superm1> evand, are you dropping it entirely from the GUI or just hiding widgets and such until a more secure solution is developed?
[16:40] <evand> I'd ideally like to do the latter
[16:42] <superm1> well if the former happens, can you comment out the line or two related to it in mythbuntu_ui in your commit?
[16:51] <evand> absolutely
[16:51] <davmor2> evand: I know this will sound daft but if you've got to go to the extreme of encrypting home and swap then why not just promote encrypted lvm, or am I missing something else?
[16:52] <evand> davmor2: a conversation to have with kirkland :)
[16:52] <davmor2> kirkland: ^
[16:52] <kirkland> davmor2: several reasons ...
[16:52] <kirkland> davmor2: encrypted lvm requires a password on boot
[16:53] <kirkland> davmor2: and it encrypts everything, including stuff that doesn't necessarily need to be encrypted
[16:53] <kirkland> davmor2: like /lib, /usr, and so on
[16:54] <cjwatson> also encrypted LVM is mounted even when the user in question is logged out; encrypted home is finer-grained
[16:54] <kirkland> davmor2: also, the way we're doing encrypted home allows each user to encrypt (or not encrypt) their home dir with different keys
[16:54] <kirkland> davmor2: which, as cjwatson points out, is unmounted after the user logs out
[16:54] <kirkland> davmor2: finally, using the approach we've taken with encrypted home, it's possible (although not yet trivial) to make incremental backups of your encrypted home dir data
[16:55] <kirkland> davmor2: it's not really possible to do an incremental backup of an entire lvm
[16:55] <davmor2> kirkland: right now I get it a bit more thanks :)
[16:56] <kirkland> davmor2: sure
[16:56] <kirkland> davmor2: some will prefer encrypted lvm, no doubt, and there's no interest in removing that
[16:57] <davmor2> kirkland: So why is it so hard to encrypt swap, is it because it is accessed by more than just 1 user?
[16:57] <kirkland> davmor2: well, it's actually very easy to encrypt swap
[16:58] <kirkland> davmor2: but doing so the "easy" way breaks hibernation on multi-user computers
[16:58] <kirkland> davmor2: http://ubuntumagnet.com/2007/11/creating-encrypted-swap-file-ubuntu-using-cryptsetup
[16:58] <kirkland> davmor2: that's a 4-step process to encrypting swap, and exactly what i use
[16:58] <kirkland> davmor2: but i can't (and don't want to) hibernate my machine
[16:59] <kirkland> davmor2: though i use suspend all the time
[16:59] <kirkland> davmor2: with that mechanism, swap is encrypted with a different random key on boot, every time
[16:59] <kirkland> davmor2: to enable hibernation to work, you would need a second, wrapping key
[17:00] <kirkland> davmor2: and you'd need to enter that wrapping passphrase on boot
[17:00] <kirkland> davmor2: and you'd need to share that passphrase with any other users who might want to resume that machine from a hibernation state
[17:01] <kirkland> davmor2: i consider that a relative corner case, but I'm in the minority in that vote, i think :-)
[17:01] <davmor2> kirkland: Yes I think anyone with a job and laptop might take issue with you :D
[17:04] <davmor2> kirkland: So are we likely to this implemented and working full and stable by the next release?
[17:04] <davmor2> 9.10
[17:04] <davmor2> rather than 9.04
[17:05] <kirkland> davmor2: i actually have a couple of ideas how to solve the encrypted swap issue
[17:05] <kirkland> davmor2: i'm hoping for those to land in 9.10
[17:05] <kirkland> davmor2: kees had an interesting suggestion
[17:05] <kirkland> davmor2: i'm going to add a little script to ecryptfs-utils that will do the steps in that article url i pasted above
[17:15] <kirkland> evand: hey, so encrypted-home is going to be dropped from the desktop installer, but i think it should remain in the server/alternate installers
[17:15] <kirkland> evand: and i'd recommend just commenting it out
[17:15] <kirkland> evand: i think we can address the concerns by 9.10 for swap and others
[17:16] <evand> kirkland: why can it stay in one and not the other?  Can you reply in the email thread if you haven't already, I have to run to do some pre-vday errands and I suspect I wont be back until Monday
[17:19] <kirkland> evand: sure.  basically, it comes down to the fact that the user would need to setup encrypted swap themselves postinstall using a script that i provide
[17:23] <kirkland> evand: i don't think that's too much to ask of users installing via server/alternate installer
[21:31] <shtylman_> is keyboard_names.py autogenerated?


[01:24] <mwhudson> where can i get a cheap and nasty usb audio / sound card thing in nz?
[01:26] <mwhudson> something like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/External-Sound-Card-Channel-Audio/dp/B003TO3KHY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1354414953&sr=8-5
[01:27] <mwhudson> oh duh, trade me
[01:27] <mwhudson> although possibly not this nasty: http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/components/sound-cards/auction-539836530.htm
[01:34] <mwhudson> i guess i really want stereo line in capture and that excludes the really awful things
[18:38] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:55] <chilts> morning
[19:02] <hads> morning
[19:04] <hads> ajmitch: http://pastebin.com/awKZbzqB
[19:34] <ajmitch> hads: so maybe by next year :)
[19:59] <mwhudson> morning
[20:03] <Atamira> morning


[16:30] <Old_PC> Dear all, is there ANY possibility to make Lubuntu alternate version installer to count down at the Grub prompt just like the normal installer ? This is so wicked crazy I don't have PS2 adapters for my USB keyboard to my old PC and cannot install Lubuntu on it due to lack of USB support at the language selection. I need to skip that part..
[16:31] <Old_PC> The normal i386 Lubuntu installer does have a countdown. Then it selects English as default, boots, loads USB stack and I could use it - if it would fit onto a CD since this old PC doesn't have a DVD drive.
[16:31] <Old_PC> On the other hand, Lubuntu alternate version - which btw fits onto a CD - doesn't count down so I'm stuck.
[17:53] <Shawn|C2Duo> howdy
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Hey hey
[17:54] <Shawn|C2Duo> anyone here know a comand in lubuntu that may allow me to see the last most recently deleted file?
[17:54] <Shawn|C2Duo> I clicked on a folder to delete, and somehow deleted something else
[17:55] <tsimonq2> This might help: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31883839/how-to-list-recently-deleted-files-from-a-directory#31884665
[17:55] <tsimonq2> (gotten from a quick DuckDuckGo ;) )
[18:03] <Shawn|C2Duo> lsdev is not a command :(
[18:03] <Shawn|C2Duo> or lsdel
[18:04] <tsimonq2> `sudo apt install procinfo` maybe?
[18:04] <Shawn|C2Duo> well, I did not delete from command line
[18:04] <Shawn|C2Duo> I used shift-delete
[18:05] <Shawn|C2Duo> in the desktop environment
[18:05] <Shawn|C2Duo> is that page still usefull for me?
[18:05] <tsimonq2> Yes
[18:06] <tsimonq2> *Theoretically*, they do the same thing.
[18:08] <Shawn|C2Duo> ohh lsdel is for debugfs
[18:08] <Shawn|C2Duo> ah
[18:09] <Shawn|C2Duo> after I ran lsdel, it wont let me get command prompt back of debugfs
[18:09] <Shawn|C2Duo> it found 2 of my last deleted inodes
[18:12] <Shawn|C2Duo> debugfs:  undel 1441919 /home/shawn/deleted/
[18:12] <Shawn|C2Duo> undel: Filesystem not open
[18:12] <Shawn|C2Duo> :(
[18:45] <csstudentn00b> hi, what is the minimum HDD storage requirement for 17.10? I will be installing on Virtualbox. My estimated usage is minimal. Just to do coursework as I am a new Computer Science major
[18:48] <csstudentn00b> hi, what is the minimum HDD storage requirement for 17.10? I will be installing on Virtualbox. My estimated usage is minimal. Just to do coursework as I am a new Computer Science major
[18:48] <tsimonq2> csstudentn00b: To be safe I'd give it 10 GB, although 8 is probably fine
[18:48] <tsimonq2> There's no hard limit -- it all depends on what you do with it.
[18:50] <csstudentn00b> i don't know yet. my first piece of coursework requires  me to write some bash shell scripts. so not much at the minute. things might change next semester
[18:50] <tsimonq2> Then yeah, 10 GB is what I'd do
[18:51] <csstudentn00b> so the standard 1024 ram / 10gb ? i only ask as my virtual will be instaed on my OS SSD and I tend to keep writes / utilization to a minimum to max ssd life (a bit anal)
[18:51] <csstudentn00b> i ask because lubuntu no longer list storage requirements
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Yep that would work
[18:53] <Shawn|C2Duo> dies debugfs work on ext4?
[18:53] <Shawn|C2Duo> *does
[18:53] <tsimonq2> Shawn|C2Duo: I'm not sure, like I said, that was from a quick Google ;)
[18:55] <Shawn|C2Duo> ah
[18:56] <csstudentn00b> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[18:57] <csstudentn00b> i found something. it says min is 3gb and 128mb ram lol
[18:57] <csstudentn00b> but this info is not on lubuntu own website. only on ubuntu wiki
[18:57] <tsimonq2> csstudentn00b: Yeah, after a while those requirements have been bumped a bit...
[18:57] <tsimonq2> Being on the Lubuntu Release Team, I sort of know offhand ;)
[19:01] <csstudentn00b> oh that's cool. you actually use lubuntu as daily OS then?
[19:02] <Shawn|C2Duo> tsimonq2, should I just sign off even looking for the file I accidentally deleted?
[19:02] <bobsmith83> question: are both lubuntu sites ligit: lubuntu.me and lubuntu.net? confusiing
[19:03] <tsimonq2> csstudentn00b: Yep :)
[19:03] <tsimonq2> Shawn|C2Duo: Yeah, idk :/
[19:03] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: Only lubuntu.me
[19:03] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: lubuntu.net is currently being squatted by the founder who won't give it back or give us access.
[19:03] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: We're fighting to get it back but so far that's gotten us nowhere.
[19:05] <bobsmith83> ok.  interesting. thx.  I'm going to try lubuntu on a chromebook :)
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Cool :D
[19:07] <bobsmith83> I wiped my T60 HD and started over with fresh lubuntu install.  I used this for maunal partitioning: https://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[19:07] <bobsmith83> BUT, having swap as the only primary, and everything else under it seems... weird
[19:08] <bobsmith83> swap also got assigned as the boot partition. ... again, weird?
[19:11] <bobsmith83> woops, lubuntu dont want to boot on chromebook (samsung 3). gives graphics initialization failed.  error setting up gfxboot.  thought it might have a problem...
[19:14] <bobsmith83> galliumOS boots from liveUSB ok, but I dont know the team behind it.  I just know its built from xbuntu...
[19:21] <csstudentn00b> my virtual box installing of lubuntu is hanging on the "prepare to install lubuntu" screen after i tick both boxes and press cotinue?
[19:22] <csstudentn00b> i went for 512 ram 8gb in the end. it is currently reading a 64bit iso from my computer hdd (non os HDD), my os is SSD
[19:23] <tsimonq2> csstudentn00b: Yeah, that part takes a bit
[19:23] <tsimonq2> Otherwise give it more TAM
[19:23] <csstudentn00b> oh. the youtube vid made it seem instant
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Because they either have a fast connection, a nice amount of RAM, or both
[19:33] <csstudentn00b> well what do you know. a new virtual drive with 1024 ram / 10gb is working much faster now and installing
[19:33] <tsimonq2> Right, heh :)
[19:34] <csstudentn00b> you know i initially tried a 512mb 5gb 32 bit. damn thing wouldn't even run without installing. just broken lines heh
[19:36] <csstudentn00b> what is default screen rez of the lubuntu system?
[19:37] <tsimonq2> It depends on your screen size I guess
[19:41] <csstudentn00b> hmm it does have auto. but because i'm running it in virtual mode, there's an additional layer. i've got it to display fine in a 1920x1080 monitor on of my smaller side monitors
[19:42] <csstudentn00b> can't seem to make it run in 21:9 1440p, but i'd never actually use it anyway
[19:43] <csstudentn00b> https://www.cs.jhu.edu/~joanne/virtualBox.html
[19:43] <csstudentn00b> is there any thing under "packages" from there I should install? i'd be mainly using terminal as i'm doing linux homework
[19:45] <csstudentn00b> oh and it says free space is 6gb / 10gb. so installation is 4gb min i guess
[19:47] <csstudentn00b> thanks for your help tsimonq2. gonna go make dinner now
[19:50] <bobsmith83> sorry to bug you about partitioning again, tsimonq2, but can you answer my question about how the ubuntu help page has set up the only primary partition as swap, and if there's any problem with that? as well as having the swap also the boot point?
[19:50] <bobsmith83> I mean, everything is working just fine, I'm just trying to understand for the next time I manually partition a disk
[19:51] <tsimonq2> I have no clue.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> wxl?
[19:51] <bobsmith83> lol.  fair enough
[20:54] <Rainsong> Hello I have a quick question about program compatibility.  Does python work on Lubuntu?
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Yes it does.
[20:55] <Rainsong> Thank you, I'm just starting in programming and linux.  Have a wonderful day.  Thanks!
[20:55] <tsimonq2> :D


[07:56] <sagaci> head_victim: need to update topic, for Dec meeting --> 11/12/11
[08:43] <head_victim> :D
[10:24] <redvil> any suggestions for a video player besides vlc guys?
[10:26] <head_victim> xine is a popular one but I've not used anything but vlc, exaile (for audio) or me-tv for tv.
[10:27] <redvil> head_victim: will give xine a go mate
[10:29] <head_victim> No worries, choppy video is usually a hardware or driver issue though not a player issue.
[10:30] <redvil> ok..
[10:32] <redvil> do you recommend installing an older version of vlc?
[10:33] <sagaci> nah, is the video 720/1080p?
[10:33] <sagaci> ie. HD
[10:37] <redvil> i didn't have problems before when i was using Lucid..now that i changed to Natty that's when it starts to play choppy videos
[10:37] <head_victim> What version of window manager are you using? With a computer with those specifications I'd definitely recommend nothing other than Lubuntu
[10:38] <head_victim> If you're trying to do 3d graphics in natty as well as play videos that cpu will not cope
[10:41] <redvil> my window manager?
[10:42] <redvil> when i installed natty it told me Unity can't be installed so that's why i stick to Classic
[10:51] <head_victim> Moving forward I don't see a future for your computer and recent versions of gnome if it's only a 1.8ghz single core processor. I'd start looking around at other options and find one you like.
[10:52] <redvil> head_victim: im looking for my ubuntu lucid disc..might reinstall it instead
[10:53] <head_victim> redvil: have a look at Lubuntu
[10:53] <head_victim> it's up to day and will continue to be aimed at lower specced computers.
[10:53] <head_victim> That means it will get all the security and bug fixes that lucid won't.
[10:53] <redvil> ok..thanks for the suggestion
[10:53] <redvil> it has vlc too right?
[10:53] <head_victim> I ran it on a 2.4 celeron processor when I gave up on gnome
[10:54] <head_victim> You can install any software from the Ubuntu repository on it :)
[10:54] <redvil> so it's basically ubuntu with a different window manager?
[10:54] <head_victim> It is just a bit more spartan as far as looks and features but still the same beast underneath.
[10:54] <redvil> what about wifi...?
[10:55] <head_victim> Should work as normal
[10:55] <head_victim> Test it with a livecd would be my suggestion
[10:55] <head_victim> See what it looks like and how it works. Remembering that it will be quicker when it's actually on the hard drive properly
[10:55] <head_victim> That's the beauty of Ubuntu and Linux in general. If one option doesn't work, there are plenty of others to try.
[10:56] <redvil> no worries...i will definitely give that a go...
[10:57] <redvil> should i get it from ubuntu or distrowatch..or does it even matter where?
[11:02] <head_victim> redvil: I notice your with optus so you might find it quicker to get it from http://mirror.optus.net/ubuntu-releases/
[11:02] <head_victim> Hmm actually that doesn't mirror Lubuntu
[11:03] <head_victim> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/ is probably the easiest and most reliable then
[11:03] <head_victim> sagaci: I notice aarnet doesn't have lubuntu either :/
[11:03] <redvil> i totally forgot about that one..
[11:04] <sagaci> head_victim: put in a request?
[11:06] <redvil> so for my download server i should just select mirror.optus.net rather than aarnet.edu?
[11:07] <sagaci> we're under 40,000 strings
[11:07] <head_victim> redvil: depends on what works better for you. I don't think there is any real benefit to using one over the other as long as they're both up to date and quick enough.
[11:08] <head_victim> redvil: for people on Telstra aarnet is unmetered data so it's preferred but for other ISPs there are other options
[11:08] <redvil> ok
[11:09] <sagaci> head_victim: Bigpond*
[11:09] <redvil> does the 'l' in front of lubuntu stand for something?
[11:10] <head_victim> sagaci: good point, telstra business have no unmetered, only Bigpond users (wired or wireless) have unmetered
[11:10] <head_victim> redvil: stands for LXDE which is the window manager
[11:10] <head_victim> it's more lightweight than gnome, kde or xfce.
[11:10] <redvil> if it's learners then i think it's really suited for me..
[11:10] <head_victim> But in my experience it's a good mix of lightweight and easy to use
[11:11] <head_victim> I've used it for a few releases.
[11:12] <head_victim> Anyway, I have to head off for the evening, 3am wake up call :/
[11:12] <redvil> g'night mate..thanks again
[11:12] <head_victim> Here to help :)
[11:15] <redvil> g'night all .o/
[23:52] <kaushal> Hi
[23:52] <kaushal> is there a way to forcefully update ubuntu desktop clients from server ?
[23:52] <kaushal> and also is there a way to have control over all ubuntu desktops inside LAN ?


[00:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected yaru-theme [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.10.7]
[00:20] <tsimonq2> infinity: So, I might have this OEM thing figured out with Calamares. I saw mwhudson had Pi 3 infrastructure bits up for merging; once that's taken care of and Lubuntu images are capable of OEM, do you still hold that as the prerequisite for Pi 2/3 (armhf) images?
[00:20] <tsimonq2> infinity: (This required upstream code that is now merged; Neon was waiting for the OEM code too.)
[00:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libssh [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1ubuntu0.2]
[00:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected virtualbox-hwe [source] (cosmic-proposed) [5.2.20-dfsg-2ubuntu18.10.1]
[00:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected maas [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.5.0~beta4-7359-g1f94845ac-0ubuntu1~18.10.1]
[00:25] <infinity> tsimonq2: A prereq for preinstalled images is some way for first boot configuration to happen, yes.  Doesn't need to be an OEM mode, could be a lightly-seeded cloud-init or whatever.  But you can't just dump them in an en_US image with a us101 keyboard and say "good luck".
[00:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: I agree.
[00:26] <tsimonq2> infinity: I personally consider it a prerequisite either way, because having a stage two OEM mode with our existing installer is better than writing our own. :P
[00:26] <tsimonq2> infinity: However, I was unsure if you had any other prerequisites besides that.
[00:30] <infinity> queuebot: Remind me, is there a way to mute you for a bit?
[00:31]  * infinity shrugs.
[00:31] <tsimonq2> infinity: You can quiet the nick, I think.
[00:31] <vorlon> I think he wants to mute it for our benefit, not his own ;)
[00:31] <tsimonq2> No, I see the point.
[00:31] <tsimonq2> I'm saying, there's something you can set on the nick.
[00:31] <infinity> Oh, I could fiddle with channel modes and then shut it up, true.
[00:31] <infinity> But meh.
[00:32]  * tsimonq2 studies nickserv commands.
[00:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nginx [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.15.5-0ubuntu2]
[00:32] <vorlon> oh yes
[00:32] <vorlon> that kind of quiet
[00:32] <infinity> Eh, it's only 393 uploads.
[00:32] <infinity> Enjoy.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> There.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> That shoudl do it.
[00:33] <tsimonq2> Maybe?
[00:35] <tsimonq2> infinity, vorlon: You two seem to have perms to silence it if you really want; this should do it: /msg chanserv QUIET #ubuntu-release queuebot!*@*
[00:37] <tsimonq2> (And, of course, UNQUIET to reverse it.)
[00:37] <infinity> You'd think the opposite of QUIET would be NOISY.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:39] <vorlon> wouldn't the opposite of 'QUIET' be 'noisy'?
[00:40] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide#Quieting_Users
[00:40] <tsimonq2> RTFM? ;D
[00:40]  * tsimonq2 runs
[00:41] <vorlon> am critiquing the IRC inventors' style, not reading manuals
[00:41] <tsimonq2> ah
[00:42] <Ukikie> Given that the modes are +q/-q, quiet/unquiet seems to match.  Technically, it's the Atheme inventors rather than IRC as a whole.
[00:46] <jbicha> I would have just kicked the bot out. Not sure how the bot would come back though 😂
[01:57] <tsimonq2> infinity: Can the bot be unquieted now? :P
[01:58] <infinity> tsimonq2: I wouldn't.
[01:59] <tsimonq2> infinity: Alright.
[02:01]  * infinity uploads another 147 packages.
[02:04] <tsimonq2> How's your internet connection? :P
[02:05] <infinity> Warm.
[03:14] <mwhudson> meh it's only perl things
[03:14] <mwhudson> all of them put together are probably smaller that the rustc .debian.tar.xz :)
[03:39] <infinity> mwhudson: About 4G, looks like.
[05:43] <infinity> Okay, finally crashing, hard.  Feel free to click "retry" on failed perl builds to get them in the right order.  Otherwise, I'll poke more in the morning.
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, I don't want to do more perl rebuilds, I just care about those two because they were making gdcm uninstallable
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> btw I think I can do gdbm rebuilds, right?
[11:25] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, ubuntu-core-meta needs seeds changes for gdbm
[11:30] <LocutusOfBorg> please ack/nack my upload, I did a sed and uploaded
[11:30]  * LocutusOfBorg will followup with other rebuilds in some hours
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> mrs is fixed with this libzeep sync ^^ (boost issue), and makes perl somewhat happier
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure, but syncing libprelude might fix the build?
[14:12] <LocutusOfBorg> pike7.8 <-- please kick it out, it is already removed in debian, ftbfs, no reverse-deps, superseeded by src:pike8.0
[14:25] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, can you please merge ruby2.5? I would like to have a fresh rebuild for new gdbm, and I think merging is better than no-change rebuilding it...
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> AA, what about removing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsys-virt-perl from disco? I mean, the new version is dep-wait on libvirt, and I don't want to merge it, and also libguestsfs is blocked by it
[15:49] <LocutusOfBorg> it has been never built, so maybe we can kick out and no-change rebuild the previous version?
[15:49] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, vorlon ^^
[17:42] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: libsys-virt-perl > Ick.
[17:47] <jbicha> infinity: I kinda really want 19.04 to release on April 19 😸
[17:48] <infinity> jbicha: Too bad. :)
[17:48] <infinity> jbicha: Although, it'll be April 19 in NZ, probably.  Does that help?
[17:50] <jbicha> Ubuntu 10.10 set a bad precedent!
[17:50] <jbicha> that helps though
[18:01] <LocutusOfBorg> nice infinity ! you just unblocked libguestfs and nbdkit
[18:02] <infinity> Working on fixing libprelude
[18:03] <LocutusOfBorg> what is your opinion wrt slic3r/s390x? removal is mine :)
[18:04] <tsimonq2> infinity: How out-of-the-question would it be to want to do a Qt bootstrap in Bileto and land it in Disco (likely resulting in migration) so when the autosyncer gets turned on and the rest of the Qt stack syncs, it doesn't just depwait all over the place? I'm fine waiting until after Perl and whatever else...
[18:04] <LocutusOfBorg> TBH, src:admesh is somewhat big endian safe... but I don't want to patch slic3r
[18:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: For the record, https://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-qt-transitions has the bootstrap dance needed.
[18:06] <infinity> tsimonq2: Go ahead and prep it?
[18:06] <tsimonq2> infinity: Can do.
[18:07] <tsimonq2> infinity: In the meantime, LocutusOfBorg asked me to do a qtwebkit-o-s merge from Debian, so doing.
[18:07] <tsimonq2> (It fixes metview I believe.)
[18:08] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: I'm tempted to do the same thing to slic3r that I just did to libvirt-perl, and let Debian sort it out. :p
[18:20] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, I think I fixed slic3r
[18:20] <infinity> You think?
[18:20] <LocutusOfBorg> patching to use the system library, that is endian safe
[18:20] <LocutusOfBorg> sure :)
[18:20] <LocutusOfBorg> my cmake foo should be good enough to require a patch and upload without much testing
[18:21] <infinity> Oh, was it using a bundled version of something that's also in the archive and not broken?
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> tsimonq2, btw if you merge... please lower the qt dependency need :)
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> yes infinity that one
[18:21] <infinity> If so, that's the preferable patch for both us and Debian anyway.
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> the system library has an upstream patch that has an stl.h that is endian-ok
[18:22] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg: Temporarily, sure, but that change will get reversed when I do a Qt bootstrap.
[18:22] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, please accept emoslib, that with qtwebkit should make metview more happy
[18:22] <LocutusOfBorg> if not happy, at least better :)
[18:22] <infinity> metview?
[18:22] <LocutusOfBorg> yep
[18:22] <LocutusOfBorg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/auto-gdbm.html
[18:23] <infinity> Ahh.
[18:23] <LocutusOfBorg> mostly sorted out :)
[18:23] <infinity> tsimonq2: The bot can be unquieted by the way...
[18:23] <LocutusOfBorg> oh and pike7.8	<-- KILL IT WITH FIRE! (removed from debian already, no reverse-deps, pike8.0 is the superseeded version)
[18:23] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, ^^^ pleeeeease
[18:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't want to fix something that is already removed in debian unstable and testing
[18:24] <LocutusOfBorg> tsimonq2, sure, reverse it with the bootstrap! I'm happy with it :)
[18:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't want to do ruby2.5, so xnox pleeeeeeease :)
[18:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: Oh, I don't have those permissions, try this: /msg chanserv UNQUIET #ubuntu-release queuebot!*@*
[18:25] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Removed.
[18:25] <infinity> tsimonq2: You had the permissions yesterday... What happened? :P
[18:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: I didn't, I only have OP permissions being an Ubuntu Member with the cloak.
[18:25] <tsimonq2> 07:35:30 PM <@tsimonq2> infinity, vorlon: You two seem to have perms to silence it if you really want; this should do it: /msg chanserv QUIET #ubuntu-release queuebot!*@*
[18:26] <LocutusOfBorg> <3
[18:26] <infinity> tsimonq2: I mean, if you can op yourself, you can change modes...
[18:26] <tsimonq2> infinity: Not on other users, as far as I remember.
[18:26]  * tsimonq2 tries
[18:26] <infinity> (Also, why do ubuntu members all have ops, and do they know this? :P)
[18:26] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, gnu-smalltalk has a ppc64el sadness I can't sort out, same in debian...
[18:26] <LocutusOfBorg> do you have any clue?
[18:26] <tsimonq2> infinity: `/msg chanserv flags #ubuntu-release` says so :P
[18:26] <infinity> tsimonq2: Uhh.  You did it yesterday.  That's my point.
[18:27] <tsimonq2> Hmm.
[18:27] <tsimonq2> ugh
[18:27] <infinity> See?
[18:28] <infinity> But also, WTF on ubuntu members having blanket ops.
[18:28] <infinity> Probably need to fix that.
[18:28] <tsimonq2> infinity: Chanserv says it's been like that since ~ the 16.04 release.
[18:29] <infinity> I wonder who did that and why.
[18:29] <infinity> Sure wasn't me.
[18:30] <tsimonq2> I dunno.
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libprelude (disco-proposed/universe) [4.1.0-4.1 => 4.1.0-4.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:30] <infinity> Yay bot!
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted emoslib [sync] (disco-proposed) [2:4.5.7-2]
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libprelude [source] (disco-proposed) [4.1.0-4.1ubuntu1]
[18:33] <infinity> Also, weekend, I'll be bouncing in and out.  But let's get these two transitions done before Monday.
[18:36] <tsimonq2> Since Ben is deceiving as far as I remember, what's the other fun way of figuring out what needs pushing?
[18:46] <tsimonq2> Hm, what package determines what's grabbed by dch -r? The five seconds per upload to change it until it's fixed is annoying me, and I'd like to patch it locally. :P
[18:46] <tsimonq2> I'm not finding it in devscripts.
[18:49] <tsimonq2> And distro-info-data is up-to-date with Disco, hmmmm...
[18:50] <tumbleweed> it should be looking at distro-info
[18:51] <tumbleweed> do you have libdistro-info-perl?
[18:51] <tsimonq2> Yup: libdistro-info-perl is already the newest version (0.18).
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Still defaults to Cosmic.
[18:53] <tumbleweed> WFM
[18:53] <tumbleweed> which distro-info-data?
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Does it make a difference that I haven't restarted my terminal or my session since updating by sedding /etc/apt/sources.list? :P
[18:54] <tsimonq2> And, the same.
[18:54] <tsimonq2> distro-info-data is already the newest version (0.39).
[18:54] <tsimonq2> (Er, not quite, but the one with Disco.)
[18:55] <cjwatson> There's a bit that's hardcoded in dch itself
[18:55] <cjwatson> I've been in the habit of "sudo vi /usr/bin/dch" when a name's announced for a while now ...
[18:56] <cjwatson> Or at least was as of bionic; possible it's changed
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Ohh, how did I not notice it was hardcoded in there?
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Huh.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Thanks.
[18:57] <cjwatson> np
[18:57] <tumbleweed> err, it isn't hardcoded in my dch
[18:57] <tumbleweed> but I guess mine is Debian's
[18:58] <tsimonq2> It's not part of the Ubuntu delta, hmmm.
[18:58] <cjwatson> It was one of the things we had to change in Ubuntu because there was a different upload target every six months rather than being able to carry it over as Debian does
[18:58] <cjwatson> It was as of bionic.  Perhaps somebody changed it
[19:00] <cjwatson> Hmm
[19:00] <cjwatson> Or maybe I hacked it locally because d-i-d was temporarily out of date and forgot to change it back :)
[19:01] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: No, I see cosmic in line ~ 1412 of /usr/bin/dch.
[19:01] <cjwatson> Maybe it's build-time substituted?
[19:01] <cjwatson> The source says get_ubuntu_devel_distro() there
[19:01] <cjwatson> ./scripts/Makefile:47:  sed -i 's/get_ubuntu_devel_distro()/"$(shell lsb_release -cs)"/' $@
[19:01] <cjwatson> It sure is
[19:02] <tsimonq2> Ahh, there we go.
[19:02] <cjwatson> There's a rationale comment:
[19:02] <cjwatson> # On Ubuntu always default to targeting the release that it's built on,
[19:02] <cjwatson> # not the current devel release, since its primary use on stable releases
[19:02] <cjwatson> # will be for preparing PPA uploads.
[19:02] <cjwatson> I guess that's an argument
[19:03] <cjwatson> At any rate for disco it just needs a no-change rebuild then
[19:03] <tsimonq2> Done already.
[19:03] <tsimonq2> Should be in the queue soonish.
[19:03] <cjwatson> ta
[19:03] <tsimonq2> Thanks for your help cjwatson :)
[19:03] <cjwatson> The power of procrastinating housework
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[19:04] <tsimonq2> I'm in the same boat, ha.
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[19:39] <LocutusOfBorg> tsimonq2, cjwatson what defaulting to "devel" for Ubuntu?
[19:40] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg: That's bad practice in my opinion.
[19:40] <LocutusOfBorg> export VERBOSE=1 :)
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[19:41] <tsimonq2> Putting "devel" in the changelog is meh.
[19:41] <LocutusOfBorg> why? everybody would point to the latest without having to upgrade a packge
[19:41] <LocutusOfBorg> package or no change rebuild it
[19:42] <tsimonq2> It's nice to be able to see what upload went to what release by reading a changelog and without having to read Launchpad.
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[19:46]  * LocutusOfBorg goes relaxing metview deps
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[02:26] <wilee-nilee> Might a mod observe the #ubuntu channel for  off topic
[08:22] <Ben64> just so you guys know, you might have a problem with bumdog in #ubuntu soon. he sent me a pm out of nowhere which was a bit vulgar
[11:43] <k1l> and its based on debian and not ubuntu anymore
[11:44] <DJones> Maybe a change to !kali is Kali Linux is a penetration testing and security auditing distribution based upon Debian. The Kali IRC support channel is #kali-linux found on irc.freenode.net
[11:46] <bazhang> !derivatives
[11:46] <bazhang> why not edit derivatives instead
[11:46] <bazhang> replace linuxMCE with kali
[11:47] <DJones> That would be fine with me
[11:47] <DJones> But have an alias for !kali to !derivatives
[11:48] <k1l> i just wanted to spread the info, that its not based on ubuntu anymore, so they can stop to ask in #ubuntu for support
[11:49] <bazhang> !no derivatives is <reply> There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mint), kali-linux (#kali-linux), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux)
[11:49] <bazhang> !derivatives
[11:49] <bazhang> sure why not
[11:50] <DJones> I can't ever remember anybody asking about gNewSense, was the one ompaul was involved in
[11:50] <bazhang> I dont think I've ever seen someone using LinuxMCE ask for support
[11:50] <bazhang> yeah, for a while, he's big into debain now
[11:52] <DJones> I've not seen him around for quite a while, probably occasionally in the offtopic channels
[11:53] <bazhang> he helps pretty regularly in #debian
[11:53] <DJones> Thats not a channel I spend any time in, it was probably defocus last time I saw him
[11:54] <bazhang> haha
[11:54] <bazhang> most everyone sane has left #defocus long ago
[12:06] <bazhang> we seriously need 20cm high flashing ascii art for some of these factoids
[12:06] <bazhang> agu10 got that ufw several times and just kept on
[12:07] <k1l> yes
[12:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> hello, someone just msg'd me, insulted me, and then left.
[12:08] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, what nickname
[12:08] <k1l> ntzrmtthihu777: which nick was it?
[12:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> bumdog
[12:08] <bazhang> thanks for the report ntzrmtthihu777
[12:09] <k1l> ntzrmtthihu777: thanks. we will keep an eye on that
[12:09] <bazhang> [bumdog] (~bumdog@175.sub-174-236-135.myvzw.com): bumdog
[12:09] <bazhang> quelle surprise
[12:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> no, thank you guys. http://imagebin.org/256165
[12:09] <bazhang> aka scumbum and others
[12:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> history of this sorta thing?
[12:10] <bazhang> yer answering the wrong question
[12:10] <bazhang> !!!
[12:10] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, one other report, so thanks
[12:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> no prob. so /part now?
[12:10] <bazhang> currently hes offline
[12:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> never even heard of the guy.
[12:11] <k1l> ntzrmtthihu777: yes, thanks
[12:11] <bazhang> you can /mode +g if its continuing to be an issue as well as ignore
[12:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: what is +g? I like knowing exaclty what I'm doing, irc and terminal.
[12:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> I know ignore :D
[12:12] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, block all PM, which you can selectively /accept nick
[12:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> ahh, but would that be a good idea with my current client (irssi) ?
[12:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> I did not even notice the pm till I cycled channels.
[12:13] <tsimpson> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml#modes describes the modes available
[12:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> my question is, should a friendly pm me with mode +g, how would I get the message they are trying to pm me in irssi, since its in-terminal?
[12:15] <bazhang> try #irssi ntzrmtthihu777
[12:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> k. thanks guys.
[12:15] <bazhang> for xchat its, mode nick +g  augh
[12:15] <bazhang> minus the augh
[12:16] <k1l> @mark bumdog #ubuntu insulted a user via query
[12:16] <bazhang> thats two now at least
[13:38] <Myrtti> vic_: yes?
[13:39] <Myrtti> vic_: ubottu is a piece of software programmed to give people canned responses they request for.
[13:40] <vic_> want to update to the latest mainline kernel
[13:40] <Myrtti> please ask in #ubuntu :-)
[13:43] <vic_> ok
[17:09] <Pici> I guess I was giving "attitude" to someone by asking them to clarify their question and then not being able to answer it.
[17:09]  * Pici shrugs
[17:11] <IdleOne> you're a horrible person :/
[18:48] <knome> heh
 sup fools?
[19:00] <bazhang> troll detected
[19:38] <bazhang> I think quest's system must be really compromised
[19:43] <bazhang> 403??
[19:43] <bazhang> heh
[20:04] <bazhang> uck.deb?
[20:04] <bazhang> uck creates an iso, last I tried
[20:22] <bazhang> [bumdog] (~bumdog@175.sub-174-236-135.myvzw.com): bumdog
[20:22] <bazhang> he's back!
 How work the new ubuntu?
[23:56] <bazhang> got him in PM


[07:49] <rebab> How to fix "error attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'" error? I can't boot.
[08:48] <iordanchic> Hello, dear xubuntu family.
[08:48] <diogenes_> hi
[08:49] <iordanchic> Hello, diogenes.
[08:50] <iordanchic> My desktop started flickering after yesterday update. But the following command help me to fix the problem: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
[08:52] <iordanchic> Can you help me: what kind of information and where I can provide (send) to help developers find a reason of these bug on my computer?
[09:01] <diogenes_> !bugzilla | iordanchic
[09:02] <diogenes_> !bug | iordanchic
[09:03] <iordanchic> diogenes, thank you a lot :)
[09:04] <diogenes_> you're welcome :)
[12:27] <M1RR0R> Always end up back on Xubuntu.
[12:36] <diogenes_> boomerang
[13:47] <Kumool> bloody hell, I tried changing the resolution and my screen turned white
[13:47] <Kumool> how do I change the resolution via command line?
[13:48] <Kumool> also the little timer for reverting the resolution doesn't work
[13:55] <brainwash> Kumool: it stays white even after a relog?
[13:55] <Kumool> well I'm trying to use xrandr to change the resolution
[13:56] <brainwash> without success?
[13:57] <Kumool> it says configure crtc 0 failed
[13:58] <brainwash> maybe doing a "xfsettingsd --replace" could help
[13:59] <Kumool> I just wrote the command, jumped to xorg and pressed enter, it worked... but I'll try that and see
[13:59] <Kumool> this is a terrible bug, it should revert
[14:02] <Kumool> it did nothing
[14:02] <Kumool> but I got it working by doing it blindly in X
[14:04] <Kumool> by using xrandr, xfsettings --replace did nothing
[14:04] <Kumool> maybe I should switch to wayland, that works right?
[14:05] <brainwash> that would not work at all
[14:05] <brainwash> Xfce only works with xorg
[14:08] <Kumool> aw
[14:08] <Kumool> well, it has less bugs right?
[14:09] <brainwash> it? wayland is only a protocol
[14:10] <brainwash> you could try to find a bug report for the resolution issue
[14:11] <brainwash> personally, I've never heard of a screen turning white
[14:13] <GridCube> neither have I
[14:13] <Kumool> I'll take a picture
[14:17] <GridCube> i believe you
[14:18] <GridCube> just saying that it's not something that i've heard about before
[14:19] <Kumool> it's not the first time its happened to me either, the screen turning white after a resolution change has happened to me in other laptops
[14:20] <Kumool> but the 10 second timer that reverts the screen back to what it was usually makes everything ok
[19:23] <sacarde> hi
[19:23] <sacarde> I am looking for a graphical app for schedule jobs
[19:24] <diogenes_> sacarde, no clue about graphical but crontab is very handy.
[19:24] <sacarde> but not simple
[19:26] <diogenes_> sacarde, what do you mean not simple? it takes two commands to set it up.
[19:27] <sacarde> when
[19:27] <diogenes_> ?
[19:27] <sacarde> I use kde, I use kalarm, it is very very simple
[20:56] <furycd001> Hey guys I want to use xdotool with a keybinding to open a certain file in atom at a certin size & place. Atom seems to save the window size & placement by default for me, but I want this one window to be a certain size & place & the rest to all be something else. My problem is that I found "xdotool search --onlyvisible --name atom" but the code changes every time I open and close atom.
[20:56] <furycd001> I ope the atom file using "atom /home/furycd001/Mezzamorphis/Glo/Delirious.md" && I can use "xdotool windowsize 117440513 800 400 && xdotool windowmove 117440513 1090 480" to set the window size & position....
[20:58] <furycd001> My problem is that the code changes each time I close atom & I don't know what to do about this. I also don't know how to set a default size & placement for all atom windows bar this one that I want to be different....
[21:05] <brainwash> furycd001: maybe the tool "devilspie" could help
[21:05] <brainwash> furycd001: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
[21:05] <furycd001> Thank you for the link. Taking a look now....