[16:49] <compilerwriter> Seems rather quite
[16:49] <compilerwriter> quiet rather
[16:49] <Githzerai> compilerwriter: or just maybe... :)
[16:55] <ubunturos> why do I have such big lags on freenode now?
[16:57] <ubunturos> ah, now the lag has reduced.
[16:57] <Dr_willis_> too many campers , gold farming the servers...  :P
[16:58] <ubunturos> gold farming or gold mining? Or do the mean the same?
[16:58] <ubunturos> s/the/they
[16:58] <Dr_willis_> :)
[16:59] <Dr_willis_> its all the same to me.. :P
[16:59] <Dr_willis_> IRC - the ultimate MMORPG.
[16:59] <ubunturos> argh! I can't recall what the first three letters stand for.
[17:00] <ubunturos> . . . Role Playing Game
[17:00] <Schorfi> Mega Man
[17:08] <aspirin_> hi all
[17:14] <mika__> if i wanna start something automatically i put something to users .kde/Autostart folder....BUT if i want that to happen globally everybody. where i have to put my *.sh file?
[17:17] <dejson> hello
[17:17] <dejson> to everzone
[17:18] <dejson> grh
[17:19] <dejson> i just installed fglrx driver on kubuntu and kdetv doesnt work
[17:19] <jussi01> !bum | mika__
[17:24] <beagleburt> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:39] <MasterPaco> hey
[17:51] <jonathan_> hello!
[17:52] <jonathan_> i've a big problem!
[17:52] <jonathan_> i reinstalled the xorg-fglrx-driver and now all window decorations disappeared...
[17:52] <jonathan_> what's the command to fix this? :(
[17:55] <mika__> hmm... rc.local wont do the trick.  i want my script to start when user logs in KDE
[17:55] <mika__> (to all users globally)
[17:56] <mika__> i tryed /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession, but that didn't help....
[17:57] <Dr_willis_> that not what rc.local is for.
[17:57] <Dr_willis_> use the users Autostart directory
[17:57] <Dr_willis_> !autostart
[17:58] <mika__> dr_willis? so i have to put my script to every users AUTOSTART? i want to put it to one place where it will do same.....
[17:59] <Jucato> mika__: read the doc :)
[18:00] <Dr_willis_> mika__,  you could make a link.. what if a user decides to not use kde?
[18:00] <Dr_willis_> you could also edit the kde.desktop file that gets ran by kdm., and have it run some other script. then launch kde.
[18:01] <Dr_willis_> depends on exactly what you are trying to run.
[18:01]  * Jucato points to $KDEDIR/share/autostart though...
[18:01] <Dr_willis_> Never noticed that one Jucato
[18:02] <Dr_willis_> its not /share/Autostart? :)
[18:02] <Jucato> Dr_willis_:  <Jucato> mika__: read the doc :) so that goes for you as well :P
[18:02] <Jucato> nope. there's a difference (other than just locations)
[18:02] <Dr_willis_> Phhhhhhhht. :)
[18:02] <Dr_willis_> Im not even using kde. :P
[18:03] <Jucato> touché :)
[18:03] <Jucato> (but then again, since you're in #kubuntu, knowing about KDE stuff would help a lot :P
[18:03] <Jucato> )
[18:03] <Jucato> (seem to have dropped that closing parenthesis)
[18:04] <mika__> well actually it would be better if my script starts same time when people are logging in :)
[18:04] <mika__> because everybody aren't using kde :D haha...
[18:05] <mika__> isn't...
[18:05] <mika__> my english so perfect :D hahah
[18:05] <Jucato> well then you'd have to find a more general (lower level) way to do that
[18:05] <mika__> rc.local is too low...ipcheck won't start there....
[18:06] <Jucato> hm.. logging in...  not logging in graphically or even in a login shell?
[18:07] <Jucato> this is the only clue I can see: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2559604
[18:07] <Jucato> (which mentions Xsession, which you already tried..)
[18:07] <itscodyxx> hello
[18:08] <itscodyxx> I am having a problem in regards to KDE menu editor.
[18:08] <itscodyxx> I was attempting to edit my menu selections, and this is the message that I receieved
[18:08] <itscodyxx> Menu changes could not be saved because of the following problem: Could not write to /home/itscodyxx/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[18:08] <mika__> jucato yep...hmm....well i try to think of something....
[18:17] <SpazMarine> simple question
[18:17] <SpazMarine> how do you change window managers?
[18:18] <dr_Willis> SpazMarine,  install others.. at the kdm login screen theres a 'sessions' menu item
[18:18] <SpazMarine> because i cant figure out how to change from default to Emerald
[18:18] <dr_Willis> unless you are refering to compiz
[18:18] <SpazMarine> ooooooooo
[18:18] <dr_Willis> :)
[18:18] <dr_Willis> !compiz
[18:18] <SpazMarine> yeah i done that
[18:18] <SpazMarine> now i need to change the look with a emerald theme
[18:18] <dr_Willis> emerald is the 'window decorator' part of compiz,
[18:19] <SpazMarine> yeah
[18:19] <dr_Willis> you start emerald with 'emerald --replace' i belive
[18:19] <dr_Willis> There was a compiz wiki page that detailed this. but the bot no longer mentions the url. :(
[18:19] <SpazMarine> sounds too easy to be true but ill try it
[18:19] <dr_Willis> You can use one of 3 'window decorators' ,  the kde one, the gnome one, and emerald.
[18:20] <SpazMarine> ..........
[18:20] <SpazMarine> IT WORKED!
[18:20]  * SpazMarine kisses Dr.Willis
[18:21] <SpazMarine> oky qvestion numero dose
[18:22] <SpazMarine> KBFX start menu
[18:22] <SpazMarine> how can i activate it?
[18:22] <SpazMarine> kbfx--replace?
[18:22] <dr_Willis> No idea.
[18:23] <SpazMarine> fudge
[18:23] <dr_Willis> Its a panel widget i thought.
[18:23] <SpazMarine> .........
[18:23] <SpazMarine> really?
[18:25] <itscodyxx> I was attempting to edit my menu selections, and this is the message that I receieved
[18:25] <itscodyxx>
[18:25] <itscodyxx> 	Menu changes could not be saved because of the following problem: Could not write to /home/itscodyxx/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[18:26] <SpazMarine> Dr. Willis is epic win
[18:26] <SpazMarine> indeed the KBFX is a applet
[18:26] <SpazMarine> ive been tryingto fix it all week
[18:28] <SpazMarine> where do you set up sessions? at login?
[18:30] <TheFuzzball> I am building kdesupport from trunk and I get the message "WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'PKGCONFIG' macro use FindPkgConfig" quite a lot. What do I need to do to correct this?
[18:32] <newbember> !ru
[18:32] <snirp> newby question: I am trying to edit "/etc/apt/sources.list". It is apparent that i need sudo to edit it. What is the command? In gnome it would be:[sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list]...
[18:33] <TheFuzzball> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:33] <snirp> thx
[18:33] <TheFuzzball> or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to do it inside of the terminal
[18:34] <snirp> have no kwrite... is there no command for kate?
[18:34] <snirp> or i will get kwrite...
[18:35] <TheFuzzball> sudo foo /etc/apt/sources.list, change foo to whatever you want to edit the file with
[18:36] <snirp> keeps claiming the command is not found...
[18:37] <snirp> works with nano, but that is scary. Something wrong with sudo? It gives an error at boot
[18:38] <snirp> [kate] works, [sudo kate] does not
[18:38] <kkathman> snirp:  use kdesu kate
[18:39] <snirp> that seems to work, thx! what was wrong?
[18:39] <snirp> darn, again "command not found"
[18:40] <TheFuzzball> sudo probably can't access Xorg
[18:40] <TheFuzzball> wait, command not found?
[18:40] <snirp> yep
[18:40] <TheFuzzball> try sudo /usr/bin/kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:41] <snirp> sudo: /usr/bin/kwrite: command not found
[18:41] <ubuntu__> hi im new to ubuntu linux and i wanna know why compiz dosent star when i double click on
[18:42] <ubuntu__> is there anyone who can help me out
[18:42] <TheFuzzball> snirp, try kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:43] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, from a console run compiz --replace
[18:43] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, be ready with a kwin --replace if everything goes to pot
[18:43] <ubuntu__> ok and what is a console is it like a terminal
[18:43] <snirp> TheFuzzball: command not found.
[18:44] <TheFuzzball> snirp, cd /usr/bin && ls
[18:44] <snirp> TheFuzzball: can I find the KdeSu error somewhere in a boot-log?
[18:44] <TheFuzzball> snirp, no, I doubt it
[18:44] <snirp> no kate
[18:45] <snirp> there
[18:45] <snirp> shall i locate it?
[18:45] <ubuntu__> command not found
[18:45] <TheFuzzball> snirp, sudo apt-get -y install kubuntu-desktop kate
[18:46] <snirp> TheFuzzball: it is somewhere on my filesystem...
[18:46] <ubuntu__> so I'll guess i should return to OS X   instead
[18:46] <ubuntu__> think linux is not fir me
[18:46] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, did compiz not run?
[18:46] <snirp> usr/lib/kde4/bin
[18:47] <ubuntu__> nope at all
[18:47] <snirp> can i tell sudo to go and look there?
[18:47] <TheFuzzball> snirp, your using kde4?
[18:47] <snirp> yep, should have told you?
[18:47] <TheFuzzball> snirp, yes :)
[18:47] <snirp> ok, sry
[18:47] <luca_b> snirp: tip: using "whereis <command>" in a terminal helps locating commands that reside in your path
[18:47] <snirp> can i tell sudo to look there as well?
[18:47] <TheFuzzball> snirp, sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:48] <snirp> ok, and permanently?
[18:48] <TheFuzzball> snirp, add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your PATH
[18:48] <snirp> ehm, i am newb
[18:48] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, you installed it right?
[18:48] <luca_b> TheFuzzball: the PATH should be adjusted if one is inside KDE4 already
[18:49] <TheFuzzball> luca_b, except it isn't.
[18:49] <snirp> how do i edit path? The file opens by the way, problem solved for now
[18:49] <ubuntu__> well in fact i did go to add and remove application click on compiz to install it but when it tels me to double click once the installation is done  nothing happen
[18:49] <snirp> n.m. i will look it up
[18:49] <ubuntu__> yeah
[18:50] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, It's a tiny bit more complicated than that, even window$ doesn't do that
[18:50] <ubuntu__> yeah I'noticed
[18:51] <ubuntu__> well in fact ussually im running on mac os x
[18:51] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, You'll need a pretty good computer to emulate Compiz
[18:51] <jonathan_> hello! can someone tell me what the default window decorator for kde is?
[18:52] <jonathan_> the one in kubuntu
[18:52] <ubuntu__> well the one im using right now is a dell inpiron 6400
[18:52] <byk> #kubunu-pl
[18:52] <itscodyxx> okay another problem
[18:52] <TheFuzzball> jonathan_, kwin
[18:53] <jonathan_> thanks :)
[18:53] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, are you sure that computer has a good enough graphics card?
[18:53] <itscodyxx> I am attempting to extract flash player 9 into my /opt folder, and it is stating that I cannot write in such a folder.
[18:53] <itscodyxx> Official text:
[18:53] <ubuntu__> yeah it work once and the   none
[18:53] <ubuntu__>  and then i mean
[18:53] <byk> #linux-pl
[18:54] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, do you have the necessary permissions?
[18:54] <ubuntu__> i did get the 3 d effect and all the shit goin on  but   now   nothing at all
[18:54] <itscodyxx> I believe so.
[18:54] <itscodyxx> How would I check?
[18:55] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, sudo chown username -R /opt && chmod -R 775 /opt
[18:55] <ubuntu__> maybe it miss a library
[18:55] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, You said you had it working?
[18:56] <ubuntu__> yeah
[18:56] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, this is the same install?
[18:56] <ubuntu__> well kind of   but let me tell you this
[18:56] <itscodyxx> okay, I ran this command and a password prompt in Konsole just appeared. I attempt to type in my password, but nothing appears in the password promp in the Terminal Window
[18:57] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, It's ok, it does that so people don't count how many characters are in your password
[18:57] <ubuntu__>   nevermind
[18:58] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, try reinstalling compiz
[18:58] <ubuntu__> just because im running in virtual boot
[18:58] <Sid> hey i have recently installed gran paradiso.... when i try to access a site, it shows me message that i need to install jre...however, i see that i have already installed jre6...whats missing?
[18:58] <ubuntu__>  on  a live cd
[18:58] <itscodyxx> well, I typed my password, and this is what occurred
[18:58] <itscodyxx> Password: Sorry, try again. Password:
[18:59] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, hmm, none for your environment sounds ideal for running Compiz
[18:59] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, you typed it wrong, do it again :)
[18:59] <ubuntu__> well it did
[18:59] <ubuntu__> trust me it did
[19:00] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, reinstall and do what you did before to get it working.
[19:00] <helpthisnoobie> hello everyone
[19:00] <TheFuzzball> hello
[19:00] <helpthisnoobie> I need some help with kubuntu 7.10 install
[19:01] <snirp> TheFuzzball: Did a symbolic link to kate. Slowly getting past the newby stage...
[19:01] <itscodyxx> I typed the password in Konsole. After doing so, my Konsole window says <Finished>, and I am unable to type any command
[19:01] <TheFuzzball> snirp, why symlink?
[19:01] <ubuntu__> is there a french chat in there
[19:01] <helpthisnoobie> i've been searching thru the web for intructions on how to do it...but i have found instructions for 8.04 only....
[19:01] <itscodyxx> wait nevermind
[19:01] <ubuntu__> like a french canadian channel
[19:01] <snirp> oh well, 1. it works
[19:02] <tictric> !fr
[19:02] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, ctrl + c
[19:02] <snirp> 2. no tempering woth path while kde4.1 is installing
[19:02] <snirp> with
[19:02] <helpthisnoobie> im to the point of preparing the disk space....
[19:02] <helpthisnoobie> I want to run a dual boot system
[19:02] <TheFuzzball> helpthisnoobie, why do you not want to use 8.04?
[19:03] <SpazMarine> 8.04 is alright for me
[19:03] <SpazMarine> and im a total idiot
[19:03] <tictric> !install | SpazMarine
[19:03] <helpthisnoobie> its not that i dont want to use it...I have the live cd for 7.10  and it will take a while to d/l 8.04
[19:03] <SpazMarine> ah
[19:03] <itscodyxx> okay, I am typed in the command, and here is what it happening
[19:03] <snirp> helpthisnoobie: i advise on 8.04 too
[19:03] <SpazMarine> yeah
[19:03] <TheFuzzball> helpthisnoobie, on the avg broadband connection it takes an hour
[19:03] <byk> #ubuntu-pl
[19:04] <SpazMarine> i havent even touched the terminal once and i managed to get everything going
[19:04] <snirp> helpthisnoobie: i went through both, and hardware support was better for me on 8.04
[19:04] <itscodyxx> itscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$ sudo chown itscodyxx -R /opt
[19:04] <itscodyxx> itscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$ sudo chown itscodyxx -R /opt
[19:04] <itscodyxx> itscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$
[19:04] <SpazMarine> its work waiting for the download
[19:04] <SpazMarine> worth*
[19:04] <helpthisnoobie> and I cant upgrade it later
[19:04] <helpthisnoobie> or is it much better to just d/l
[19:05] <TheFuzzball> helpthisnoobie, It is better to download it
[19:05] <zipper> you can upgrade to newer versions, but you're likely to get problems
[19:05] <zipper> much better to just get the new cd, and do a clean install
[19:05] <SpazMarine> im just trying to get it to look like the die hard 4.0 theme the kid in the film had
[19:05] <helpthisnoobie> well I trying to get a dual boot and it looks like it will work
[19:06] <SpazMarine> the is the first os i ever got to dual boot
[19:06] <SpazMarine> only on 8.04 though
[19:07] <helpthisnoobie> i just thought it might be easier to install this and then upgrade than to d/l and wait for an hour
[19:07] <itscodyxx> Like, it will do nothing just prompt another empty command line
[19:07] <SpazMarine> hmmm...
[19:07] <SpazMarine> i heard upgrading on ubuntu is a bit shaky
[19:08] <tictric> SpazMarine: Sometimes it's better if you have some experience ;)
[19:08] <tictric> Advanced user I might say
[19:08] <snirp> <helpthisnoobie: no offense, you just spent 15 mins of thje hour here receiving the same arguements
[19:08] <SpazMarine> yeah......... i dont think id try it
[19:09] <snirp> again no offense ;-)
[19:09] <jonathan_> hello!
[19:09] <jonathan_> i reinstalled the fglrx-driver for my ati-card and now, for any reason, my windows decorator got lost.
[19:10] <helpthisnoobie> yeah i guess ur right
[19:10] <zipper> [20:08] <tictric> SpazMarine: Sometimes it's better if you have some experience ;)
[19:10] <zipper> i agree it might work, but it being better?
[19:10] <SpazMarine> ......... there is one other way
[19:10] <snirp> oh noobie: you have the choice between 4.0 and 3.5.9
[19:10] <snirp> kde
[19:10] <SpazMarine> back up the packages you want with.........
[19:10] <jonathan_> and everytime i try "kwin --replace" (don't matter whether i type this in the konsole or in recovery mode etc.) i get the message "cannot connect to xserver"
[19:11] <nouveau_sous_ubu> francais
[19:11] <snirp> get some advise here which is best, i dunno yet
[19:11] <SpazMarine> APTonCD you might wanna look at
[19:11] <jonathan_> does anyone know what's the problem?
[19:11] <SpazMarine> backs up all your packages
[19:11] <helpthisnoobie> ok now this is going is for a laptop with 256mb RAM...i should dl the alternate cd or the main cd
[19:11] <nouveau_sous_ubu> ca parles tu francais
[19:12] <SpazMarine> alternate
[19:12] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - make sure you use "md5sum" to check integrity of download
[19:12] <nouveau_sous_ubu> i need a french canadian channel
[19:12] <tictric> !fr | nouveau_sous_ubu
[19:13] <itscodyxx> okay, I fixed the problem. Basically, I went into KUser, edited the root password settings. Before I ran the command, I set it to run as root.
[19:13] <itscodyxx> Beautiful. Thank you very much for the help.
[19:14] <snirp> ehm, just suppose i accidentally used the alternate (on a new system)... Does it perform any less now? Than the regular. Just suppose. Any way to fix it?
[19:14] <beatriz_> hola
[19:14] <beatriz__> hola
[19:14] <snirp> To be honest i guess i did
[19:15] <snirp> anyone?
[19:15] <beatriz__> ubottu
[19:15] <beatriz__> 333
[19:15] <helpthisnoobie> md5sum is wat
[19:16] <snirp> checks integrity of download
[19:16] <tictric> beatriz__: buscas un channel español? :)
[19:16] <beatriz__> #UBUNTU ESPAÑA
[19:16] <helpthisnoobie> can it be used on windows
[19:16] <tictric> !es
[19:17] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - yes
[19:17] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - Google - 1st try Wikipedia
[19:17] <helpthisnoobie> Im talking about md5sum
[19:18] <Guest79919> hi
[19:18] <snirp> so are we
[19:18] <helpthisnoobie> will it run on windows
[19:18] <snirp> some are just talking spanish
[19:18] <helpthisnoobie> cause im doing a dual boot
[19:18] <helpthisnoobie> gotta keep windows for my wife
[19:18] <snirp> http://www.google.nl/search?q=md5sum+windows&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:18] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - easy to do on Linux but you can DL free programs that will werk on Windoze
[19:18] <tictric> !dualboot | helpthisnoobie
[19:19] <miguelinux> i was thinking on installing kubuntu on my girlfriend's PC
[19:19] <tictric> helpthisnoobie: please read that
[19:19] <snirp> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[19:19] <snirp> that should do it\
[19:19] <miguelinux> i know it's not LTS, but will it recieve base security  updates like ubuntu??
[19:19] <helpthisnoobie> ok thanx..currently dl 8.04 will stay hereand get back to u if neccesary
[19:20] <byk> #ubuntu-pl
[19:22] <miguelinux> does anybody know if ubuntu's base security updates for Hardy LTS will also apply for kubuntu?
[19:22] <miguelinux> you know, they share the repos after all
[19:22] <Dr_willis_> i would think they would.
[19:22] <miguelinux> ah, thanks
[19:22] <Dr_willis_> i dont really see how they couldent. :)
[19:23] <miguelinux> i don't think my GF will like to update her kubuntu after 18 months
[19:23] <Dr_willis_> a year and a half is a long time
[19:23] <miguelinux> well, it is for me
[19:23] <miguelinux> but it will be her first linux
[19:23] <miguelinux> so i'm not 100% sure
[19:23] <miguelinux> and she's on dial-up
[19:23] <Dr_willis_> In 'theory' you just use the package manager and upgrade/update. and it does it
[19:24] <Dr_willis_> Nothing will force her to update. I imagine
[19:24] <miguelinux> only security holes ;-)
[19:24] <miguelinux> although KDE doesn't really have many security updates, does it?
[19:25] <Dr_willis_> Ubuntu tends to have only afew updates after release.. they just released the 8.4.1 images. that rolled all updates into the cd image I belive
[19:25] <Dr_willis_> The kubuntu 8.4.1 i imagine is out somewhere also.
[19:25] <Dr_willis_> I havent looked. :)
[19:25] <miguelinux> it is
[19:26] <miguelinux> link to kubuntu 8.04.1 is http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[19:27] <miguelinux> the best thing is these images have tons of updates already applied, so no need to download heavy kernels or openoffices
[19:28] <Dr_willis_> yep
[19:29] <Dr_willis_> Ive been using that Mint Linux mainly on my machines the last few months..
[19:29] <miguelinux> mmm, i'm getting great download speeds right now, so please, nobody download kubuntu now :p
[19:29] <miguelinux> just joking
[19:30] <Dr_willis_> during the release - the torrend download speeds were.. the fastest id ever downloaded anything. :)
[19:30] <netix> hellow
[19:30] <Nece228> miguelinux: haha XD but you should post this in #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:30] <miguelinux> oh, sorry
[19:30] <miguelinux> I'm a noob in IRC
[19:30] <netix> i have problem with my sound, when i play some mp3 song it sounds very very lagy..
[19:32] <netix> sound dosnt lisen slow but somthong laggy also is together with sound
[19:32] <netix> ..am is somone here?
[19:32] <netix> nicht sprehen?
[19:33] <jussi01> netix: yes
[19:33] <Dr_willis_> Yes. and i have no clue as to the sound problem
[19:33] <BBM-5> n'abend
[19:33] <netix> jussi01:can u help me
[19:33] <jussi01> netix: you may also want to ask in #kubuntu-de
[19:33] <netix> no i dont speak well
[19:33] <netix> in german
[19:34] <jussi01> netix: which sound card?
[19:34] <netix> so can jussi01 and Dr_willis_ help me?
[19:34] <jussi01> (use lspci in terminal to find out)
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> --->  and i have no clue as to the sound problem
[19:35] <netix>  Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX Audio]
[19:36] <jussi01> the only thing I can suggest is:
[19:36] <jussi01> !sound
[19:37] <netix> please not again this bot, can you help me step by step i am new in linux
[19:37] <netix> can be problem computer speed?
[19:39] <netix> jussi01
[19:39] <jussi01> netix: I dont know the answer.
[19:39] <BBM-5> mal ne frage: wie ändere ich die versions nummer eines installierten paketes?
[19:40] <Nece228> netix: whats your cpu speed?
[19:40] <jussi01> BBM-5: english only in here please
[19:40] <tictric> !de | BBM-5
[19:40] <Dr_willis_> sound troubleshooting can be trivial, or impossible.
[19:40] <BBM-5> oh sry wrong channel i thought its the german
[19:40] <BBM-5> well then
[19:40] <netix> !lv
[19:40] <netix> !eu
[19:40] <netix> !noob sphct
[19:40] <Nece228> netix: dont play with bot
[19:40] <netix> ok ok
[19:40] <BBM-5> i need to change the version number of an installed package
[19:42] <miguelinux> good luck to everybody
[19:42] <miguelinux> bye
[19:47] <ipezzei> hi people
[19:49] <ubuntu___> i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?
[19:50] <Nece228> netix: when i want download a deb package in konqueror
[19:50] <BBM-5> i need to change the version number of an installed package
[19:50] <Nece228> i click on download but it dont shows me to save or open file, it just opens it with kate
[19:50] <Nece228> how to fix that?
[19:50] <ipezzei> Nece228 firefox?
[19:51] <Nece228> no firefox please
[19:51] <Nece228> i wanna use konqueror
[19:51] <tictric> BBM-5: ???
[19:52] <ubuntu___> i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?
[19:52] <ubuntu___> i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?
[19:53] <BBM-5> there is a package with the version number 0.4.2 but i want it to be 0.4.3 beacause there is an update to 0.4.3 but this version doesn't work
[19:53] <Dr_willis_> I dident even think the live cd could do an upgrade...
[19:54] <tictric> BBM-5: you want me to guess what package you are talking about?
[19:55] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ wrong root partition?
[19:55] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ipezzei  i didnt upgraded it. i checked the formate box of my previous ext3 sda6 that is. fresh install.
[19:56] <Nece228> oh wait, after i did updates to kubuntu 8.04.1 that problem gone
[19:56] <ubuntu___> Nece228:  talking to me?
[19:56] <Nece228> ubuntu___: no
[19:56] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ the error means: file not found
[19:57] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ipezzei  btw, how can i just formate the sda6 first. any app that can do it?
[19:57] <Dr_willis_> So you did a clean install then...
[19:57] <ubuntu___> ipezzei:  why
[19:57] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ya
[19:57] <Dr_willis_> gparted can format/partition all you could want..
[19:57] <BBM-5> f-spot q tictric
[19:57] <BBM-5> @ tictric
[19:58] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ gparted or the "gparted boot disk" ;)
[19:58] <ubuntu___> k
[19:58] <ubuntu___> why i get the grub error..
[19:59] <tictric> BBM-5: I for one use aptitude. So:
[19:59] <tictric> sudo aptitude
[19:59] <Nece228> ubuntu___: whats the grub error code?
[19:59] <tictric> then hit 'U'
[19:59] <Ukonpoika> Hi, a little problem here. Using Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3.5.9. I'm trying to extract musicfiles from a cd to my collection. Problem is that the cd contains a video-file, so Kubuntu refuses to read the musicfiles, all I see is the vidfile. :( Any help would be great.
[20:00] <tictric> then hit 'shift-U'
[20:00] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43591 an (old) post but an example of a cause
[20:00] <tictric> then hit 'G' twice
[20:00] <tictric> done
[20:00] <ubuntu___> Nece228:  15
[20:00] <tictric> everything updated
[20:00] <evan__> hey is it true when installing ubuntu there are only 2 needed updates?
[20:00] <tictric> not only f-spot
[20:00] <evan__> ubuntu / kubuntu
[20:00] <ubuntu___> evan__:  kubuntu
[20:00] <ubuntu___> kde 4 remix...
[20:01] <ubuntu___> evan__:  ipezzei  Nece228  kde4 remix
[20:01] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ ??
[20:01] <BBM-5> thanks tictric it updated to 0.4.3 which doesnt work ...
[20:01] <evan__> ubuntu___:  what are you tryng to say?
[20:01] <ubuntu___> ipezzei:  i have that i mean
[20:01] <ubuntu___> evan__:
[20:01] <ubuntu___> ^
[20:02] <tictric> BBM-5: so you want back to 0.4.2
[20:02] <BBM-5> wait
[20:02] <BBM-5> the bug disappeared
[20:02] <BBM-5> don't ask me why
[20:02] <evan__> ubuntu___: i dont understand i asked if it where true if i installed kubuntu i only had to update 2 packages ?
[20:02] <tictric> BBM-5: Just a normal miracle
[20:02] <tictric> we got that all the time
[20:03] <Nece228> ubuntu___: wait a sec im searching for solution
[20:03] <BBM-5> i wnated to stay at 0.4.2 and prohibite (i hope its the right word) the update to 0.4.3
[20:04] <c0m4r> hi
[20:05] <c0m4r> after installation of ubuntu games are installed by default?
[20:05] <c0m4r> and what about FX3
[20:06] <Dr_willis_> fx3?
[20:06] <c0m4r> firefox?
[20:07] <c0m4r> so?
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> !firefox
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> firefox is in the repos..
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> !info firefox
[20:07] <Haza> Evening folks. Ive had this problem before and i canoot remember how to fix it. My Adept manager DB is locked and thus i cannot install any new software.
[20:07] <c0m4r> I meant default browser
[20:09] <Nece228> ubuntu___: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297261
[20:09] <ubuntu___> Nece228:  OK
[20:09] <Nece228> ubuntu___: this may fix that
[20:10] <p2p> hello
[20:10] <p2p> what is the command for purging a package with configuration files also?
[20:11] <ere4si> apt-get remove --purge
[20:11] <Dr_willis_> apt-get remove --purge (i think)
[20:11] <tictric> p2p: meanwhile there's even apt-get purge <package> iirc
[20:11] <p2p> thanks a lot
[20:11] <ubuntu___> WHICH partitions type is better for linux. ext3 or  any other?
[20:12] <Dr_willis_> if you have no special needs. use ext3
[20:12] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  WHAT KIND OF SPECIAL NEEDS
[20:13] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu___,  are you running a large multi TB fileserver?  or somthing unusual? proberly not.. :)
[20:14] <Dr_willis_> so  use ext3
[20:14] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  I PLAN TO HAVE WEBSERVER.
[20:14] <BBM-5> tictric: if i still want to stay with 0.4.2 despite my sstem wanting an update, what can i do
[20:14] <Dr_willis_> a webserver is not  that special. :) unless you are going to run somting really big..
[20:15] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ISNT EXT3 GOOD FOR BIG THINGS?
[20:15] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu___,   theres big files, vs lots of little files,  vs lots of file access/creation. some fs's are a little better at some of these tasks then others.
[20:15] <Dr_willis_> When in doubt stick with ext3
[20:16] <ubuntu___> OK
[20:17] <ubuntu___> -THANKS ALL.
[20:17] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ ext3 is the standard. Reiserfs is also good but i wouldn't rely on it...
[20:18] <kakoonia> !skype
[20:18] <kakoonia> hmm
[20:18] <kakoonia> i cant find skype on repos for 8.04 (kde)
[20:19] <kakoonia> any alternative?
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> its in the mediabuntu repos
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> or get it from the skype homapage
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> !skype
[20:19] <kakoonia> how can i add mediabuntu to my repos list?
[20:20] <Dr_willis_> !medibuntu
[20:20] <kakoonia> k
[20:20] <kakoonia> Cool
[20:20] <kakoonia> thanks dude.
[20:21] <senorpedro> hi folks
[20:21] <senorpedro> !mp3
[20:22] <daniele> !lista
[20:22] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> I wanted to enable HPET using the kernel line option hpet=force, but after the boot i get "Failed to force enable HPET" in the syslog
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> Is there anybody who can help me to debug this?
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> only 9 result in google for it
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> and seems noone helpful for
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> me
[20:24]  * Dr_willis_ has no idea what HPET is.
[20:24] <Dr_willis_> I got a Dog Pet. :)
[20:24] <MetaMorfoziS> High Precision Event Timer
[20:25] <Dr_willis_> perhaps thatfeature is not in the default kernel?
[20:25] <MetaMorfoziS> If i enable it, then my cpu can sleep more time and can consume less power
[20:25] <MetaMorfoziS> it's here, but not enabled by default just on the whitelisted machines
[20:25] <MetaMorfoziS> the hpet=force overrides this
[20:26] <MetaMorfoziS> but for me looks it isn't works
[20:29] <jado> hello i have problems with amsn
[20:29] <BluesKaj> I've been trying to install the vesa graphics driver but the xserver-xorg utility doesn't have that option anymore , i have a screen that is totally desynched, so I just have a whole lot of horizontal angles coloured bars like the out of kilter horizontal ctrl used to appear in old tv sets.
[20:29] <SirTrombaLot> hi all
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> I LOVE THIS COMPANY
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> cit. steve ballmer
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> he was talking about linux
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> come on laugh i'm a comic
[20:30] <ipezzei> SirTrombaLot why not? Pecunia non olet, said my ancients
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> latin?
[20:30] <ipezzei> si
[20:31] <BluesKaj> SirTrombaLot:  when you come up with something humourous
[20:31] <sbriggi> what's up?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> I wonder if I installed kubuntu in windows with wubi if i could get access to the xorg.conf with a fix ?
[20:32] <sbriggi> nerver tried wubi
[20:33] <jado> i can't see the colors on the nicknames on amsn even though i have installed amsn-plus
[20:34] <cisco21> hi
[20:34] <BluesKaj> I just need to get the right graphics driver installed , even the vesa driver would be a help cuz my screen is totally borked.
[20:34] <jussi01> BluesKaj: Id imagine so - wubi is just a way of putting a filesystem into a windows file
[20:34] <jussi01> if I understand it correctly
[20:35] <cisco21> hi
[20:37] <jado> hi
[20:37] <jado> i can't see the colors on the nicknames on amsn even though i have installed amsn-plus
[20:37] <jado> anyone ?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> jussi01:  dunno , there's gotta be a fix ...wonder what possesed the devs to delete the graphics driver options in xserver-xorg.conf in Hardy. It's really put me in a mess. The ATI rec'd driver is what did me in :(
[20:39] <BluesKaj> jado, check options/configure
[20:39] <jado> where ?
[20:39] <kkathman> hey BluesKaj :)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> amsn , where else
[20:41] <jado> preferences and then ?
[20:41] <c0m4r> how to install kde4?
[20:41] <Dr_willis_> !kde4
[20:42] <jado> sorry BluesKaj, i go in preferences, and then ?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis_: any ideaq how to get the veas driver installed using xserver-xorg ?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> vesa
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> BluesKaj,  not really. I thought it was in there by default as a failsafe driver
[20:43] <BluesKaj> I wish it was
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> xserver-xorg-video-vesa - X.Org X server -- VESA display driver
[20:44] <Dr_willis_> xserver-xorg-video-vga - X.Org X server -- VGA display driver
[20:45] <jussi01> BluesKaj: you can still add the old options - it recognises them
[20:46] <jado> you can't help ?
[20:46] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: xorg.conf type vesa for driver (or preinstalled, not propriatery, ati in your case)
[20:46] <Dr_willis_> ive changed 'ati' to 'vesa' befor on my oldlaptop
[20:47] <Githzerai> *preinstaled ati, not fglrx
[20:47] <jado> thanks ...
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis_: I forgot the command for editing xorg.conf in the shell
[20:59] <jado> anyone for help ?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> or at the TTY prompt, even
[20:59] <jado> i can't have nick's colors
[21:00] <jado> on amsn even-though i have installed amsn-plus
[21:00] <BluesKaj> heh try irc on irssi , a grand total of 4 colours :)
[21:01] <jado> i'm talking about nick's colours on amsn
[21:02] <HighHo> jado: I suggest trying the #amsn channel or there forums.
[21:02] <jado> thanks
[21:06] <BluesKaj> tried sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ..but there's no way of scrolling back to the text to edit it
[21:07] <HighHo> BluesKaj:  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> nano, yeah
[21:07] <BluesKaj> I think HighHo
[21:08] <BluesKaj> brb , let you know
[21:18] <jill> there are too many programs i install on K-menu->>Development (5 columns). How can i use scrolled menus in K-menu?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> ok, I've managed to add "vesa"as the driver , but now how do i save the changes ?
[21:20] <netix> is here anyone who now a lot about sound?
[21:20] <HighHo> jill: Im not sure how to give a scrolling menu if it doesnt by default, you could perhaps add sub menus using the menu editor
[21:21] <HighHo> BluesKaj: Ctrl + x
[21:21] <netix> is here anyone who now a lot about sound?
[21:21] <dr_Willis> egads.. you still fighting with sound? :)
[21:22] <dr_Willis> and No i dont know nothing.
[21:22] <jill> highho but if i uninstall any program my own menu item are stay here, am i right? like in windows?
[21:22] <BluesKaj> HighHo:  ok thx
[21:22] <mkquist> netix: u mean like it's our sensing of the vibrations put out by an object against the current atmosphere type of thing?
[21:22] <mkquist> =p
[21:23] <netix> mp3 dont work well but when i convert to wav it works perfect..
[21:23] <mkquist> netix: what do u mena dont work well?
[21:23] <uri> hello, help needed in installation! receive and error : unable to execute /bin/sh on installation
[21:23] <mkquist> mean*
[21:23] <HighHo> jill: The menus should update by themselfs when a program has been removed, even if you change the menu layout
[21:24] <jill> cool
[21:24] <netix> mkquist: cant explain it sounds like my computer are to slow
[21:24] <mkquist> netix: like the timing off right?
[21:25] <netix> timing?
[21:25] <jill> maybe i can download any alternative applet of K-menu?
[21:25] <mkquist> try reinstalling codecs and check which driver your system is using for your sound card?
[21:26] <jill> can i install gnome on kubuntu 8.04?
[21:27] <netix> there is one more problem i dont now how to do all thet you sad :)) ..i just start use kubuntu
[21:27] <HighHo> netix: make sure you have the libxine-ffmpeg package
[21:27] <netix> i have
[21:28] <netix> can u say maybe program are wrong?
[21:29] <netix> what program i need use?
[21:29] <HighHo> jill: Yes you can install gnome on kubuntu, installing the meta package - ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal would be the easyest way
[21:30] <HighHo> netix: there are many programs amarok or Juk are 2 diffrent ones you can try
[21:30] <jill> highho is this apt-get install "ubuntu-desktop" command i need?
[21:31] <netix> thank you for some help..
[21:32] <HighHo> jill: Yes, it will give you a list of the packages it will install so you can make sure your happy them before accepting
[21:32] <mkquist> netix: check here for instructions on what I suggested - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[21:33] <jill> highho cool, eemmm.. if i use this command - ubuntu-desktop install will full?
[21:33] <netix> linux are a bit hard..
[21:33] <netix> :)
[21:35] <netix> why you use linux?
[21:35] <HighHo> jill: That will install the ubuntu  gnome desktop with almost all you should need.
[21:37] <FSHero> Hi ... can someone recommend a KDE-based rolling distro please?
[21:39] <dr_Willis> I dont find linux hard at all.
[21:39] <mkquist> netix: its 'a bit hard' cause ur not used to it, gets easier though... of course with use, but remember its free too  =)
[21:39] <dr_Willis> Troubleshooting windows problems.. now THAT canbe hard.
[21:39] <FSHero> dr_Willis: I thought you were a Linux expert... you've helped me out in the past! (Thx btw)
[21:40] <netix> dr_Willis: i dont troubleshoot win problems.. i just fix them :))
[21:40] <Agent_bob> netix you mean you remove windows from the system ?
[21:41]  * Agent_bob fixes windows problems that way too
[21:42] <netix> yes i remove from this one
[21:42] <netix> because i want try sothing new :)
[21:42] <netix> also Win was to slow for this computer
[21:42] <Agent_bob> :)
[21:43] <netix> i put on ubuntu and in next day kubuntu
[21:43] <netix> i like linux because its more like programming
[21:43] <Agent_bob> win95 is pretty fast.   it installs fast, it boots fast, it crashes fast....
[21:44] <netix> lol.. yes it does thet but i use xp on this on other i use vista but in linux you can edit lot of staff here
[21:44] <Agent_bob> FSHero care to repost your Q,  i might know something,  and i might not.
[21:45] <netix> edit easier as in windows because win needs acces registry anc it will be hack :D
[21:45] <Agent_bob> netix if you don't use "restricted" repository,  you can "edit everything"
[21:46] <Agent_bob> in linux  ^
[21:46] <netix> is there a way how to speed up linux?
[21:46] <netix> more like its now runing?
[21:46] <netix> this computer is so bad :)
[21:47] <Agent_bob> netix there are several tweeks yes.   the basic idea would be to turn off everything that is not needed.   the less the system is asked to do the faster it can do it
[21:48] <netix> can you say what i dnt need?
[21:49] <netix> these are some underground process?
[21:50] <Agent_bob> if [ `ps -A x | wc -l` -gt 45 ] ;then echo "something can surely be turned off here!" ;else echo "less than 40 processes running" ;fi
[21:53] <Agent_bob> netix pstree   and compair with the process table in system settings
[21:54] <netix> ok bye i need re maybe start we will se other day..
[21:54] <netix> with diferent name
[21:54] <Agent_bob> ok
[21:54] <Rioting_pacifist> does using lvm have any overhead? is it a CPU overhead or a disk access time over head or something else?
[21:55] <Agent_bob> Rioting_pacifist not a lot
[21:55] <Agent_bob> but yes
[21:55] <netix> so if you see SPhcT thets me
[21:55] <netix> bye
[21:56] <Agent_bob> cpu which equates to disk access time too  but not a lot.    negledgable in most cases
[21:57] <Rioting_pacifist> are there any circumstances where it would be noticable to have a partition in lvm, compiling lots? filesevers running on it? i have no reason to use LVM tbh but figured if in the future i wish to add a hdd id have to setup LVM now right?
[21:59] <Agent_bob> why would you need to setup lvm at all to add another hdd ?
[22:00] <Rioting_pacifist> if i have a /home partition and it fills up, i thought id need lvm to be able to plug a 2nd harddrive in and have that drives space added to /home, is there a better way to do it?
[22:01] <dr_Willis> install/partition/format/mount the new drive. and mount it as /home, or make a  'ExtraStorage' directory on it. and move some  of the users over to it..
[22:02] <dr_Willis>  depends on whats using all your space. :)
[22:02] <dr_Willis> Its not too hard to move home over to a new partition.
[22:02] <evan__> how can i change the background color of the menubar to transparent?
[22:03] <evan__> i ment the menubar's clock applet
[22:04] <p2p> hello
[22:05] <p2p> what wifi client is more confortabily with grafical interface? (like wlassistant)
[22:05] <Rioting_pacifist> evan__: if i set my pannel to be transparent all applets backgrounds go transparent perhaps set it to default color?
[22:05] <Agent_bob> Rioting_pacifist also as Dr_willis started, if it's just a matter of storage space it doesn't have to be in /home to be usable by all users.   one can   mkdir /storage ;mount /dev/hdx# /storage ;chmod 777 /storage  and every one on the system could then use it.  or if privacy is an issue you could give everyone subdirs as in /home so in /storage  and even symlink /home/$USER/storage /storage/$USER   for convienance.   also yes
[22:07] <Agent_bob> at any rate Rioting_pacifist learning lvm is probably a worth wile adventure.  :/
[22:08] <psyco> Does anyone here know why my glide wrapper shows up black?
[22:08] <Agent_bob> evan__ right click the clock and configure it
[22:09] <evan__> Agent_bob: its fixed thank
[22:09] <Rioting_pacifist> thx i think ill setup my roots on it but leave my /home on a single partition on a seperate driver so its easily recoverable, thx for help Agent_bob & dr_Willis.
[22:10] <Agent_bob> welcome
[22:10] <Rioting_pacifist> p2p: what do you mean in kde there is knetworkmanager to sort out wireless through NetworkManger, what are you looking for?
[22:10] <Rioting_pacifist> s/kde/kubuntu
[22:11] <beatriz> kubuntu español
[22:11] <beatriz> #kubuntu es
[22:11] <Agent_bob> !es
[22:13] <p2p> Rioting_pacifist it doesn't comunicates well with mi wifi interface, I don't know why
[22:13] <dr_Willis> I often just move specic users to what amounts to /home2 :) and link their dirs to /home/ they never see that they got moved
[22:13] <p2p> eth0 interface works well with that
[22:14] <Rioting_pacifist> p2p: are you sure your wireless is working, NetworkManager *should* work well with any card that has working drivers
[22:14] <senorpedro> !fritz
[22:14] <senorpedro> !fritz usb stick
[22:14] <senorpedro> !avm wlan usb stick
[22:15] <senorpedro> sorry ubottu
[22:15] <senorpedro> !avm
[22:15] <senorpedro> !wlan usb stick
[22:15] <p2p> yes, with wlassistant works well, but I don't like it
[22:15] <Rioting_pacifist> senorpedro: what are you looking for?
[22:15] <Agent_bob> dr_willis yeah that's probably the most simple add-on space setup   i'm still a little more partial to moving their storage area $HOME/docs or what ever, to a new drive
[22:16] <senorpedro> for howto/tutorial about getting the avm fritz box usb wlan stick to work
[22:16] <eram> hola
[22:16] <eram> alguien que hable espa;ol
[22:16] <Agent_bob> !es eram
[22:16] <Rioting_pacifist> usb+wifi+linux = bad, generally you can give google a shot but tbh the outlook is not good
[22:16] <Rioting_pacifist> !es
[22:16] <Agent_bob> !es | eram
[22:17] <dr_Willis> Agent_bob,  or i make /media/Morestoreage/BillsExtraSpace  :) then just let bill link that dir to his /home/bill/MoreSpace
[22:17] <Agent_bob> yeah that's what i'm saying. Dr_willis
[22:19] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here
[22:19] <Agent_bob> ubottu you've gone mad son.
[22:19] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here
[22:20] <Agent_bob> what in that string is tripping the bot ?
[22:20] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro
[22:20] <senorpedro> thx Agent_bob
[22:20] <Agent_bob> welcome
[22:20] <Agent_bob> !wifi | "senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here"
[22:21] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro 'if there is one it will probably be linked here'
[22:21] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be
[22:21] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro there is one it will probably be linked here
[22:22] <Agent_bob> what happened to the bot ?     that's very un-ubotu like behaviour
[22:22] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | Agent_bob testing this
[22:23] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro 'if there * one it will probably be linked here'
[22:23] <Agent_bob> hah,  it's keying on the word   'is'
[22:24] <Agent_bob> i would think that the pipe would have caused it to stop parsing,   it seems that it should have but doesn't
[22:25]  * HighHo looks in the room, sees Agent bob tormenting the bot, then goes back to other things.
[22:25] <Agent_bob> it should treat "|" as if it were "| #" << OEF .* ;EOF
[22:25] <Agent_bob> HighHo i just found a bug in the new bot.
[22:25] <dr_Willis> file a bug report.
[22:25] <dr_Willis> :)
[22:25] <Agent_bob> :)
[22:26] <Agent_bob> i'd have to register
[22:26] <Agent_bob> not worth it.
[22:26] <dr_Willis> its amazing that with ktorrent i can grab some Disrto iso's at 1000+k/s :)
[22:27] <dr_Willis> KB/s :)  wonder if my isp will think im grabbing    videos again.. i NEVER get any other torrents near this fast.
[22:27] <Agent_bob> i only get 25x that disk>disk
[22:27] <dr_Willis> only Linux  ISO's  get torrent speeds this fast.
[22:28] <Agent_bob> maybe it's because that's what torrent was built for ?
[22:28] <Agent_bob> bit-torrent i should say
[22:29] <dr_Willis> could be the high # of seeders on many Linux torrents.  :)
[22:29] <dr_Willis> when ya got more seeders then leechers it helps. heh.
[22:30] <Agent_bob> again "[use inteneded = use attempted] && high performance || ?"
[22:32] <ahmos> hi, can i install kde3 with kde4 on kubuntu 8.04 together
[22:32] <Agent_bob> i have seen people try to overhaul an engine with wire pliers, but they usually do better at bending/cutting wire with them.
[22:32] <dr_Willis> ahmos,  yes you can.
[22:32] <ahmos> thank's
[22:32] <dr_Willis> !kde4
[22:32] <dr_Willis> You may end up with a lot of redundant icons in the menus for kde4 and kde3 apps..  Ive not messed with kde4 lately.
[22:33] <dr_Willis> Ive heard kde4 has been making good progress lately -  you may not want to mess with kde3
[22:33] <dr_Willis> or you may want to just insgtall specific kde3 apps
[22:33] <Agent_bob> or you may want to use twm
[22:33] <Agent_bob> :)
[22:34] <dr_Willis> I like 'jwm + rox
[22:34] <ahmos> thank u for the tips...and can i ask another question?
[22:34] <dr_Willis>  You just did.. care to ask a 3rd?
[22:34] <dr_Willis> :)
[22:34] <Agent_bob> jwm - Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus
[22:35] <Agent_bob> wow. i had it already, just never got around to looking at it.
[22:36] <dr_Willis> the jwm package. for some reason does not create a jwm.desktop file. so it dont make a entry in the kdm/gdm  sessions..
[22:36] <ahmos> my sound device is marked in gray color and it iand os telling me it is not available,and there is no sound
[22:36] <dr_Willis> at least it dident used to.. it may been fixed by now.
[22:38] <TrAndy> Hi all, this seems nasty on HH. 1.Boot into recovery mode; 2.lounch KDE3 and do nothing; 3.then normally reboot into 8.04 2.6.24-19-generic. Result is network down (must restart dbus to get it back) and if I connect a USB device it will be no more automounted (lsusb lists them correctly). Any clue where to look in the boot process to fix this?
[22:39] <Agent_bob> i'll have to down the rez  i can't read a thing in jwm
[22:39] <Agent_bob> doesn't look like the fontsel is working.
[22:40] <ahmos> so any help dr_willis
[22:41] <Agent_bob> TrAndy i wouldn't look in the boot process,  i'd look in /tmp and $HOME  for bad ownership
[22:42] <dr_Willis> I know very little about troubleshooting sound problems.
[22:43] <Agent_bob> TrAndy you can try this,   exit kde, press ctrl+alt+f1  login   issue this command " sudo rm -r /root /tmp ;sudo mkdir -p /root /tmp ;sudo chmod 1777 /tmp ;init 6 "
[22:43] <TrAndy> Agent_bob: Do you think starting KDE3 from the recovery-mode's cli will change ownerships?
[22:44] <helpthisnoobie> i may be on my way to doing my 1st install
[22:44] <ahmos> ok thank u alot
[22:44] <Agent_bob> TrAndy yep.
[22:45] <TrAndy> Agent_bob: OK, I'll get it a try.
[22:45] <Agent_bob> TrAndy if that's not sufficient to fix all issues  at any time/point issue this command "sudo chown $USER -R $HOME "
[22:45] <Agent_bob> TrAndy you should learn what each of those do, before you use them.
[22:46] <Agent_bob> NEVER blindly input commands you recieve on irc or any other source.
[22:47] <Agent_bob> man man    ;man rm    ;man mkdir    ;man chmod    ;man chown
[22:47] <TrAndy> Agent_bob: No problem, I'm aware of. Thanks. I must disconnect to try it now.
[22:47] <Agent_bob> k gl
[22:48] <SpeS> anyone has problems with nvidia 8600 GT and 4.1?
[22:48] <SpeS> agrh sorry, wrong channel :)
[22:50] <Agent_bob> The minimum memory requirement for Ubuntu 8.04 is 384MB  <<< can that possably be true ?   i can run dapper in 32m  and the installer on the liveCD will work in 192m.   have they really went that far away from usable ?
[22:51] <PhilRod> Agent_bob: you know memory usage depends entirely on your usage pattern and how much swapping you can endure
[22:53] <Agent_bob> PhilRod http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu/  <<< says 256m required for "other installation methoods"
[22:54] <Agent_bob> i'm hopeing they are intentionaly exagerating it.
[22:55] <Agent_bob> PhilRod also as per your statement,  i don't use swap.
[22:56] <Agent_bob> Memory Used/Total Percent: 7/123 MB (5%)
[22:56] <Agent_bob> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[22:57] <helpthisnoobie> i hope dats not true cause i want to install kubuntu 8.04 on my dell inspiron 1100  only 256 mb
[22:58] <Agent_bob> helpthisnoobie i hope with you.   seems like they are taking the M$ approach to things, "they can buy new hardware if they want to use our woftware"    which i despise with perfect hatred.
[22:59] <Agent_bob> three is no reason that the installer should take more ram each release.
[22:59] <Agent_bob> there
[23:01] <helpthisnoobie> this is the 1st time i try a linux install of any kind
[23:01] <rysiek|pl> hi all\
[23:01] <rysiek|pl> does KMail/Kontact keep e-mails that are being written in some temporary file? After writing a veery long and thought-through e-mail to my boss, after hitting "send", Kontact crashed. I would really love to be able to get it back...
[23:01] <Agent_bob> and just because some have brand new computers to install it on.  is no reason to assume that all do,    some would like to use ubuntu linux simply because their hardware is "too old" for M$ crap now.    but i suppose that another distro is for those people.
[23:02] <ayayaie> bonjour
[23:02] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I agree thoroghly, I don't get it why there are rising RAM requirements...
[23:02] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl i think so.   does opening kontact not give you the option to recover it ?
[23:03] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I'd rather have the filed copied somewhere, just in case kontact "clears up the trash" after crashed sessions...
[23:03] <rysiek|pl> *file
[23:03] <JuJuBee> I have a filesystem problem.  Trying to open my vm, i get an error telling me /tmp is full.  I cleared it and still same error.  df shows /tmp is only 1024 ... Seems like this is a separate partition / slice?  df does not show that unless /tmp is in swap?
[23:03] <ayayaie> quelqu'un parle français ou bien c'est english mandatory?
[23:04] <rysiek|pl> Ooo... Myyy... Gooood...
[23:04] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: yup, it worked! GOD I love FLOSS! :)
[23:04] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl ok.  i'm not sure exactly where but some place in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/autosave   maybe ?
[23:05] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: yup, fired-up Kontact and it's there, all nice and dandy
[23:05] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: that actually calls for a celebration!
[23:05]  * rysiek|pl celebrates!
[23:05] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl i was thinking i had seen that before.
[23:05] <Agent_bob> :)
[23:06] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee sounds like permission on /tmp may not be "drwxrwxrwt" 1777  ?
[23:06] <jab> JuJuBee: which device is mounted to /tmp ?
[23:07] <JuJuBee> what would cause /tmp to be only 1 MB ?
[23:07] <JuJuBee> jab : overflow ?
[23:07] <JuJuBee> /tmp  is 777
[23:07] <jab> is there an entry in your /etc/fstab that mounts a device to /tmp ?
[23:07] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee hmmm    try    sudo umount /tmp   and see what it says\
[23:08] <JuJuBee> jab : not entry in fstab
[23:08] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: just so you get the pun of the whole situation, this e-mail is about asking by boss to let me take one of our desktops (I work in a software R&D lab at Warsaw University of Technology) to the "Woodstock Stop" - a *huge* music festival organised by those guys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Orchestra_of_Christmas_Charity
[23:08] <Agent_bob> jab it would more likely be in /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs
[23:08] <JuJuBee> device busy
[23:09] <JuJuBee> actually /etc/init.d/mountoverflowfs
[23:09] <JuJuBee> there is not mountvirtfs
[23:09] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: the festival is very much along the lines of original Woodstock; there is, however, a special place there for NGOs, and one of the NGOs goes there to put a FLOSS/Linux stand up. So, basically, FLOSS saved a mail about spreading the FLOSS good word ;)
[23:09] <JuJuBee> That kind of makes sense.  My / got full.  I should reboot
[23:10] <psyco> Is ther anything I can use as Hamachi for KDE?
[23:10]  * rysiek|pl stops the flooding. promise.
[23:10] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee grep /tmp /proc/mounts
[23:10] <JuJuBee> overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime 0 0
[23:10] <JuJuBee> I cleard out / so I think it is time to reboot
[23:10] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl :)
[23:11] <ayayaie> hello. i recently install kubuntu. In the login screen the keyboard send "à" key instead of "@". So i must start consol to login and then type startx. can some one help me please
[23:11] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee o.O
[23:11] <JuJuBee> ?
[23:11] <JuJuBee> Ive never seen o.0 what does  it mean?
[23:11] <Agent_bob> i'm at a loss why a ram fs would be mounted on /tmp
[23:12] <JuJuBee> Agent_bob, looks like since / was full, it used RAM
[23:12] <Agent_bob> why is / full ?
[23:12] <Agent_bob> df -h
[23:12] <JuJuBee> I was trying to backup something  and used the wrong path
[23:13] <JuJuBee> I corrected it since, but have not restarted.
[23:13] <JuJuBee> brb
[23:13] <Agent_bob> oh   heheh ok.  that'll do'r
[23:14] <Agent_bob> ayayaie keyboard setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ?
[23:15] <Agent_bob> talk about impatient
[23:15] <Agent_bob> !Hamachi
[23:15] <Agent_bob> psyco idk.   sorry.
[23:16] <psyco> ok, I'll just use the terminal one
[23:17] <Agent_bob> psyco if there is anything that contains that word in it's description you can search with " apt-cache search hamachi "
[23:17] <Agent_bob> but it's out of my league, i don't even know what hamachi is/does
[23:17] <psyco> XD
[23:17] <psyco> Its ok
[23:18] <Agent_bob> serious it wouldn't hurt to search the package database.
[23:18] <Agent_bob> !find hamachi
[23:18] <rysiek|pl> !info hamachi
[23:18] <JuJuBee> Agent_bob : restart did the trick
[23:18] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee you didn't have to.  we could have dismounted /tmp   ;/
[23:19] <JuJuBee> That's ok.
[23:19] <Agent_bob> "reboot will fix anything" is an M$ concept  and often not applicable in linux
[23:19] <JuJuBee> Other weird behaviors have been ocurring.
[23:20] <JuJuBee> My dual head setup works with kde3 but not kde4  AND my wifi is giving me trouble.
[23:20] <Agent_bob> !reboot
[23:20] <Agent_bob> !wifi | JuJuBee
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> see? linux doesn't even KNOW reboots
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> ;)
[23:20] <JuJuBee> lol
[23:20] <Agent_bob> there is a trouble shooting section ^
[23:20] <JuJuBee> wifi docs dont help me
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> JuJuBee: what card
[23:20] <JuJuBee> My kwifimanager sees my AP, but I cannot connect
[23:20] <JuJuBee> Intel
[23:21] <JuJuBee> built in to laptop
[23:21] <JuJuBee> was working fine at a conf I just went to now cannot associate with home ap
[23:21] <rysiek|pl> JuJuBee: ho-humm... "cannot connect" == ?..
[23:21] <JuJuBee> see line 4
[23:22] <Agent_bob> don't know if that's small arms or festive fireworks,  but i better go see.
[23:22] <JuJuBee> Will not associate with ap
[23:22] <JuJuBee> kwifimanager sees the network, but knetwork manager will not get IP
[23:23] <evan__> how do i install moodin and dekorator
[23:23] <evan__> ?
[23:24] <rysiek|pl> evan__: sudo aptitude install ksplash-engine-moodin
[23:24] <rysiek|pl> evan__: sudo aptitude install kwin-style-dekorator
[23:25] <rysiek|pl> evan__: should also be available through Adept
[23:25] <evan__> rysiek|pl: adept is a strange program every time i select a program my screen turns vague for some seconds
[23:26] <rysiek|pl> evan__: it's calculating dependancies, that takes time
[23:26] <ublongata> what package has AAC playback for gstreamer?
[23:26] <rysiek|pl> evan__: I always prefer the terminal, anyway ;)
[23:26] <evan__> rysiek|pl: i have QtCurve by default
[23:26] <evan__> ?
[23:26] <rysiek|pl> ublongata: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras should do the trick
[23:27] <rysiek|pl> evan__: huh?
[23:27] <ublongata> thx
[23:28] <evan__> rysiek|pl: i try to install NuoveXT2 theme it needs latest qtcurve
[23:28] <rysiek|pl> evan__: aand?..
[23:29] <evan__> is the latest version of qtcurve installed after kubuntu instalation
[23:30] <evan__> rysiek|pl:  i mean by defautl
[23:30] <rysiek|pl> evan__: I have no idea. check?
[23:30] <rysiek|pl> evan__: find qtcurve's website, check wich version is the latest, and then check which one is on your kubuntu
[23:30] <rysiek|pl> evan__: or, rather, just check which version the theme you want needs
[23:32]  * rysiek|pl brb
[23:34] <dr_Willis> A theme that needs a theme?
[23:42] <kronoman> hello
[23:42] <kronoman> when I try to check the integrity of the alternate 8.04.1 CD I get a error ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [5]
[23:42] <kronoman> then lots of errors
[23:42] <kronoman> and then dies
[23:43] <kronoman> I have recorded the CD multiple times on 2 machines, and the md5sums match and the CD verifies OK when recording
[23:43] <kronoman> I also tried with 3 recorders and 1 reader
[23:43] <kronoman> using LG DVD-RW, Sony CD-RW, HP CD-RW, and generic CD-R drives
[23:43] <kronoman> recorded in 4X, 8X, nothing
[23:43] <kronoman> what happens?
[23:44] <evan__> how can i change the splash theme?
[23:44] <rysiek|pl> evan__: why won't you check what you have in System Settings?
[23:45] <kronoman> BTW, this is not a laptop, seems that ACPI is related to laptop computers
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> evan__: usplash? or the gnome splash screen?
[23:45] <Haza> Evening folks. Can someone recommend a good SQL query tool (that connects to a variety of DBS) that allows me to create a visual representation of table relationships? Kinda like what "Base" does in OPen Office
[23:45] <rysiek|pl> Odd-rationale: I'd shoot ksplash theme ;)
[23:46] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: nope. ACPI is related to all PC's, although laptops use it more extensively, and have more specific thingies
[23:46] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: hence most of ACPI-related problems happen on laptops
[23:47] <kronoman> you know, my problem goes that always I try to install linux, the CD install fails at some point
[23:47] <kgx> if im using dd to recreate a partition, am i supposed to see that mounted partition being filled with files in real time? dd is running but i can't see any files or change in size :(
[23:47] <kronoman> happens me since mandrake 8
[23:47] <kronoman> is like a curse on me
[23:47] <kronoman> on multiple machines, multiple distros, across time
[23:47] <kronoman> the live CD will fail on me at some point
[23:47] <kronoman> I blame squashfs and the bad quality of drivers that reach here (south america0
[23:48] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: "drivers" or "drives"
[23:49] <kronoman> the hardware thingy
[23:49] <rysiek|pl> "drives" :)
[23:49] <psycholic> i keep getting this error every time i close my dophlin program
[23:49] <psycholic> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[23:49] <psycholic> my hd is not full
[23:50] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: and the partition on which the file is located?
[23:50] <psycholic> and i'm not trying to save any book marks
[23:50] <psycholic> nope
[23:50] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: what does this have to say: df -h /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[23:50] <Githz> psycholic: If u opened dolphin with sudo might happen thing like that. Some config/temp files become root owned
[23:51] <kronoman> so... what can I do? I'm the only one with fails on live cds?
[23:51] <psycholic> now i got this after i ran dolphin as root
[23:51] <psycholic> i will check
[23:51] <rysiek|pl> ah
[23:51] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: sudo chown -R jour_user:jour_group /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/
[23:51] <kronoman> googling seems that is a Asus mobo with linux issue
[23:51] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: that should solve it
[23:52] <kronoman> I always used Asus motherb, here are the best you can buy without going bank broken
[23:52] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: hmmm... try calculating the md5 sum of the iso, and the cd burned from it
[23:52] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: if they differ, there was an error while recording
[23:52] <kronoman> I did already, they match
[23:52] <kronoman> also I recorded with verify on using k3b
[23:52] <kronoman> and recorded on 2 different machines
[23:53] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: and do they mach the md5sum on the website you downloaded the ISO from?
[23:53] <kronoman> I have a pile of CDs here ...
[23:53] <kronoman> yes, they do, I compared to the MD5SUM file on the kubuntu ftp
[23:53] <psycholic> chown: invalid user: `jour_user:jour_group'
[23:53] <psycholic> thats what it said
[23:53] <evan__> rysiek|pl: i need to acces a theme manager to change the style i cant find it , do you know where i can find it?
[23:53] <kronoman> I recorded kubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso, with md5 5de105f1e2acb0a7019a636c98454e0d
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: read and understand the command I have given you
[23:54] <kronoman> and kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso, with md5 e0b9861df26c54acfd62bf35abe859f6
[23:54] <psycholic> hmm
[23:54] <psycholic> ok
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: hint: YOUR_USER:YOUR_GROUP :)
[23:54] <psycholic> i need to change user and group right
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> yup
[23:54] <psycholic> you beat me lol
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: most probably the group name is exactly the same as username
[23:55] <psycholic> i think it is
[23:55] <psycholic> thats what my CLI has right
[23:55] <psycholic> user@group
[23:55] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: nope
[23:55] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: that's user@hostname
[23:55] <psycholic> ahh
[23:55] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: the "groups" command will tell you your group, that will be the first name on the line
[23:57]  * rysiek|pl goes
[23:57] <rysiek|pl> cu all
[23:57] <evan__> rysiek|pl: has the theme manager to be installed first?
[23:57] <rysiek|pl> evan__: I don't thinks so.
[23:58] <rysiek|pl> abywhoo... bye.
[23:59] <evan__>  bye
[23:59] <psycholic> keep saying chown: invalid user:


 is there a reason that my dvd drive does not start up when I put a DVD in there?
 alright so the LoCo pack will be here tomorrow
 Hey @ahoneybun - want to design a Ubuntu FL Release Party coin in Inkscape and I can produce a small batch of them?.
 Could be a fun game
 Mm not sure how to do that
 I may be working Sunday
 What time?
 What time are we leaving Saturday?
 Likely sometime around 11 PM in your case (9:45 in my case)
 Ok
 Today has been an insane day - in a good way
 very good way
 What happened?
 Cant say just yet but I got a lot of thinking to do
 Well that sounds promising
 Sort of an unserstatement
 👍
 SSH Enters the Mosh Pit | Hackaday … http://hackaday.com/2016/11/01/ssh-enters-the-mosh-pit/
 Could replace ssh
 I tried it in the past, was not super impressed but then again, we dont really have too much of a problem with shotty network coverage in the US
 Seems logically sound though.
 Seems better.
 I am not doubting that it has its advantages but it is solving a problem I dont really have so I never really looked too much into it
 Thanks for posting that @AdamOutler gonna try it out with some remote servers (@ work) and see if it helps


[05:19] <poningru> there is no nvu for feisty???
[05:48] <joejaxx> poningru: :P
[05:50] <poningru> :p
[02:22] <asac> hi
[02:27] <poningru> yarr
[03:34] <asac> hjmf: i think bug 71702 is really upstream as you indicated
[03:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[03:35] <hjmf> cool :)
[03:35] <hjmf> was my first and only attempt to look in bugzilla :)
[03:39] <hjmf> asac: did you see the channel logs about the error I'm getting with mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym in gdb. What do you think?
[03:42] <asac> no sorry you have the errors?
[03:42] <asac> hjmf: feel free to look up more :)
[03:42] <asac> in bugzilla
[03:42] <hjmf> wait a second, I'll do a quick retrace
[03:43] <asac> which dbgsym packages did you use?
[03:43] <hjmf> mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym      <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2
[03:43] <asac> where from?
[03:43] <asac> pittis archives?
[03:44] <hjmf> let me see...
[03:44] <asac> they are still borked in there
[03:44] <asac> you need to take them from mt-feisty
[03:45] <hjmf> ... probably were from pitti's repo
[03:45] <hjmf> ... I'll re-do a dbg with yours and I'll tell you
[03:45] <asac> thx
[03:47] <hjmf> hmm... 48M looks quite better than pitty's ones :)
[03:48] <asac> yeah :)
[03:48] <asac> after next upload they should be right everywhere
[03:48] <hjmf> k
[03:48] <hjmf> downloading
[03:49] <asac> can you reproduce with instructions upstream?
[03:49] <asac> e.g. install venkman
[03:50] <asac> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/216
[03:50] <hjmf> will look
[03:52] <asac> ah ... why didn't you attach the thread stacktrace? Was it unusable?
[03:55] <hjmf> where? in bug 71702?
[03:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[03:56] <hjmf> ... because on that time I didn't used to do so. I can retrace and attach it , but you have other retraces on the dups
[03:57] <hjmf> asac, btw, about the errors in gdb, I'm getting similar errors
[03:57] <hjmf> Reading symbols from /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libmozjs.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
[03:57] <hjmf> Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libmozjs.so
[03:57] <hjmf> see <(no debugging symbols found)
[03:57] <asac> hmm
[03:57] <asac> you have -dbg installed?
[03:58] <hjmf> -dbgsym
[03:58] <asac> please paste dpkg -l somewhere
[03:58] <asac> yes
[03:58] <asac> i mean that
[03:58] <hjmf> it is, the one from your repos.
[03:58] <asac> -L
[03:58] <hjmf> wait
[03:58] <asac> i mean
[03:58] <asac> :)
[03:58] <asac> content
[04:01] <hjmf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13116/
[04:01] <asac> don't these errors always get out?
[04:02] <asac> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libmozjs.so
[04:02] <asac> its in there
[04:02] <hjmf> certainly it is
[04:02] <asac> do you still get that error if you add /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/ to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[04:03] <asac> ?
[04:03] <hjmf> wait
[04:03] <asac> btw, where do you get that? in plain gdb?
[04:03] <asac> or apport?
[04:03] <hjmf> gdb
[04:04] <asac> ok
[04:04] <asac> try
[04:04] <hjmf> apport just shows the retrace
[04:04] <asac> do you get usable results?
[04:04] <hjmf> no
[04:04] <asac> ok
[04:04] <asac> then try LD_LIBRARY_PATH as above
[04:05] <hjmf> same error Reading symbols from /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libmozjs.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
[04:06] <hjmf> not the same
[04:06] <hjmf> yes it was the same :)
[04:06] <asac> what size it that dbg .so file?
[04:07] <hjmf> 1135489
[04:07] <hjmf> ... but
[04:08] <hjmf> the binary is <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2
[04:08] <asac> yeah ... shouldn't matter
[04:08] <hjmf> while your gdbsym is <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[04:08] <asac> you don't get that with firefox do you?
[04:08] <hjmf> ok
[04:08] <hjmf> never got that on ff
[04:09] <asac> ok ... icedove-dbg work well, so I guess we have to build with optimization
[04:09] <asac> hmm
[04:09] <asac> you have sources?
[04:09] <hjmf> no
[04:09] <asac> its just changing one line
[04:09] <asac> and running build with pkg-create-dbgsym installed
[04:10] <hjmf> ... have to learn, but today is a long afternoon, so maybe I'll try and tell you whatever result :)
[04:10] <asac> OPTFLAGS = -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-unsigned-char
[04:10] <asac> that line
[04:11] <asac> add a -g
[04:11] <hjmf> OPTFLAGS = -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-unsigned-char -g
[04:11] <asac> then just build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:11] <asac> yes
[04:11] <hjmf> copying
[04:11] <asac> yeah -g might be placed first or second
[04:11] <asac> just for formatting
[04:11] <asac> reasons
[04:11] <asac> you will see why
[04:11] <asac> a few llines above there is another line
[04:11] <hjmf> ok
[04:12] <asac> just remember to install the pkg-create-dbgsym
[04:12] <asac> package
[04:12] <hjmf> can it be done directly on my schroot, right
[04:13] <hjmf> ... downloading sources
[04:13] <asac> sure
[04:15] <asac> let me know ... so i can add changes before upload :)
[04:15] <hjmf> k
[04:23] <asac> oh something new :)
[04:23] <asac> morkWriter::PutRowDict
[04:25] <asac> hjmf: can you extend the summarzied stack you paste so i see from signal handler always?
[04:25] <asac> e.g. including line: #3  <signal handler called>
[04:25] <asac> its important to see if code jumps in ?? code
[04:25] <asac> before that
[04:26] <asac> if so, it might be hazardous
[04:26] <hjmf> OK
[04:26] <asac> cool
[04:26] <hjmf> I cut from #4 because all before looks the same :-P
[04:26] <hjmf> noob :)
[04:28] <hjmf> asac: export OPTFLAGS="..." is enough before running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ?
[04:28] <hjmf> because it is compiling right now and I dont see the '-g' flag
[04:29] <asac> no you don't needto set anything if you changed debian/rules file
[04:29] <hjmf> ... ok
[04:29] <asac> in rules
[04:29] <hjmf> stoping and re-doing
[04:29] <asac> you have to edit
[04:29] <hjmf> k
[05:48] <hjmf> asac: weird result (I'm getting the same size on the -dbgsym package that pitty's one does) :/
[05:49] <hjmf> stat -c '%s' mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2_i386.ddeb
[05:49] <hjmf> 338702
[05:49] <hjmf> bytes
[05:50] <hjmf> ... indeed not the same size but same order
[05:50] <hjmf> of magnitude
[05:51] <hjmf> ... and of course, gdb complaints about 'no debug symbols found'
[05:52] <asac> hmm
[05:52] <asac> so you added -g in debian/rules ?
[05:54] <asac> ah ... i think i remember
[05:55] <asac> try to run gdb in run-mozilla.sh
[05:55] <asac> e.g.
[05:55] <asac> sh /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh /usr/bin/gdb /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin
[05:55] <asac> adapt as needed of course
[05:58] <hjmf> ok, let me a second
[06:07] <hjmf> command was:
[06:07] <hjmf> /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh /usr/bin/gdb -nx /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin  -core CoreDump  2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[06:07] <hjmf> but I'm still getting the same error
[06:08] <hjmf> I have tried with your dbgsym pkg too
[06:09] <hjmf> asac: ^^
[07:22] <asac> hmm
[07:23] <asac> maybe the coredump is not proper?
[07:24] <asac> does this happen for all crash reports?
[07:24] <hjmf> yesterday I tried with a couple
[07:25] <hjmf> but today I've tested just one
[07:25] <hjmf> gonna see if I have other core already downloaded
[07:27] <asac> if you have no success i will try tomorrow
[07:27] <hjmf> Reading symbols from /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libmozjs.so...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libmozjs.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
[07:27] <hjmf> (no debugging symbols found)...done.
[07:27] <asac> is it just for libmozjs.so ?
[07:27] <asac> or are there others for which symbols are not found?
[07:27] <hjmf> no i'll pastebin
[07:27] <hjmf> just a second
[07:27] <asac> sure
[07:28] <hjmf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13176/
[07:31] <asac> how does it look for firefox?
[07:31] <hjmf> and a full gdb.log
[07:31] <asac> just fine?
[07:31] <hjmf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13177/
[07:31] <hjmf> on firefox... I'll check
[07:32] <asac> interesting
[07:32] <asac> other libs build by thunderbird are recognized well
[07:33] <hjmf> I don't have a firefox coredump right now, but I'm quite sure that those messages didn't appear
[07:33] <asac> no problem
[07:34] <asac> i will look into this tomorrow as soon as I return to my primary work-machine
[07:34] <asac> so you couldn't get any good backtrace with your dbg symbols?
[07:34] <asac> but producing dbgsym package worked finally?
[07:34] <hjmf> no :/
[07:34] <asac> no?
[07:34] <asac> hm
[07:35] <asac> m
[07:35] <hjmf> I tried with 4 different bugs
[07:35] <hjmf> always talking about thunderbird ofcourse :)
[07:35] <asac> do you have dbgsym package installed atm?
[07:35] <hjmf> yes
[07:35] <asac> start
[07:35] <asac> mozilla-thunderbird -g
[07:35] <asac> then run
[07:35] <asac> when it runs hit ctrl-z
[07:35] <asac> then bt full
[07:35] <asac> are there symbols?
[07:37] <hjmf> just this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13184/
[07:37] <asac> you did not run
[07:37] <asac> you have to run
[07:37] <asac> (gdb) run
[07:38] <asac> when thunderbird is opened
[07:38] <asac> send to background with ctrl-z and look at the current stack :)
[07:38] <hjmf> ok
[07:39] <hjmf> (no debugging symbols found) :/
[07:39] <asac> ok ... think i will have to look tomorrow
[07:39] <asac> sorry girfriend calls ... got to go
[07:40] <asac> cu later or tomorrow or something :)
[07:40] <hjmf> cu too; I have to go too
[08:45] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[08:50] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[08:50] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 11:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: whats the status on bug #90851
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 90851 in firefox "Firefox does not set KDE wallpaper" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90851
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: hes not around (im guessing for the weekend) but doesnt look like that has gone anywhere yet. (if it hasnt gotten anywhere its not that good of a chance to get it in feisty