[11:18] <chump> i want to change my create a partition for my home folder on an existing installation, i want to know if i format my hda1 partition i will erase the mbr
[11:18] <lufis> anytime: Ah, okay...
[11:18] <neilthereildeil> whenlooking at /dev/hd*, how can i tell whats an extended partition and what a primary partition?
[11:18] <anytime> I have a reuter for a laptop
[11:18] <Zano> I dont have that option.. pbcustom98, no nvidiacard, and xtknight, so gotta wait til feisty?
[11:18] <xtknight> neilthereildeil, just type "sudo fdisk -l" it will tell you
[11:18] <xtknight> Zano, probably, unfortunately
[11:18] <lufis> anytime: Do you ever use the modem?
[11:18] <sanityx> chump, no you wont but you'll lose the data on hda1
 can we go in a seperate chat root (lots of noise here)
[11:19] <Jowi> Megaqwerty, yes. it's that simple
[11:19] <lufis> anytime: As in, dial-up connection?
[11:19] <xtknight> Zano, you could get a pci IDE controller and disable the onboard problematic JMicron
[11:19] <Tukul> haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:19] <anytime> no, except for a rare fax
[11:19] <Zano> Ah well.. shame. Really wanted to try out ubuntu.
[11:19] <xtknight> Zano, or you could install from atlernate media
[11:19] <ardchoille> ponk2 , Tukul This is an Ubuntu support channel, off topic chat needs to go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:19] <ravi_master> steve__: yeah, get in #ati-radeon-hell
[11:19] <lufis> anytime: ok, is modem unchecked?
[11:19] <chump> thank sanityx ;)
[11:19] <Megaqwerty> Jowi: Wait, I said that wrong.
[11:19] <ponk2> oko
[11:19] <Zano> xtknight, not quite sure what that would be? USB harddrive perhaps?
[11:19] <xtknight> Zano, try a Feisty livecd but wait until final to install it, at least in my opinion
[11:19] <steve__> #ati-radeon-hell
[11:19] <Jowi> Megaqwerty, I meant rc2.d, not init.d
[11:19] <anytime> It's unchecked
[11:19] <pbcustom98> ok, how do i send a msg to specific people?
[11:19] <lufis> anytime: Is it before wired?
 don't know how to get there
[11:19] <Jowi> Megaqwerty, I understood your typo anyway :)
[11:19] <sanityx> pbcustom98, you use /msg
[11:19] <IndyGunFreak> Steve_: lol
[11:19] <the-reallap> can someone help me with an install problem
[11:19] <anytime> No, after wired
[11:19] <ponk2> gah
[11:20] <xtknight> Zano, hmm usb cdrom probably
[11:20] <Megaqwerty> Jowi: okay, thanks
[11:20] <ravi_master> steve__: join #ati-radeon-hell by typing /join ati-radeon-hell
[11:20] <zulfajuniadi> pbcustom98: just click on their nicks
[11:20] <xtknight> Zano, or flash drive though it's slightly more difficult
[11:20] <xtknight> Zano, i used a usb CDROM
[11:20] <Tukul> asu
[11:20] <anytime> wired is selected with "enable roaming mode"
[11:20] <Zano> Don't really have that either...
[11:20] <ponk2> q pny
[11:20] <Zano> ah well.
[11:20] <xtknight> Zano, unfortunately that board uses marvell ethernet does it not?  Edgy also has issues with that
[11:20] <acefrahm> is there a step-by-step guide to Apache 2.0 on ubuntu Edgy Eft?  From zero to hero--
[11:20] <anytime> Does that help?
[11:20] <Megaqwerty> Jowi: can I leave my scripts where they are? or do they have to be located in init.d ?
[11:20] <root__> 2peu.ro
[11:20] <xtknight> Zano, feisty fixes all issues with Core 2 Duo motherboards
[11:20] <lufis> anytime: Ok... when you click on the applet in order to connect, what does it say?
[11:20] <sanityx> acefrahm, just install the server with LAMP
[11:20] <pbcustom98> i have marvell ethernet using edgy, and im running just fine
[11:20] <xtknight> a newer marvell
[11:20] <anytime> wire network
[11:20] <Zano> But feisty is still beta, so not recommended to use?
[11:20] <sanityx> Zambezi,
[11:20] <xtknight> Zano, not recommended to install.
[11:21] <anytime> wired network
[11:21] <Jowi> Megaqwerty, I am not sure.
[11:21] <ponk2> sex ja
[11:21] <lufis> anytime: In the network settings window, select wired and click properties
[11:21] <Megaqwerty> Jowi: alright, I'll play it safe then. Thanks
[11:21] <xtknight> Zano, if you want to see what ubuntu is like, booting a Feisty LiveCD is generally safe.
[11:21] <Tukul> ya
[11:21] <sanityx> Zano, Also, the beta may still not boot, but that doesn't mean the final won't boot.
[11:21] <OiNutter> anyone know of a simple midi recorder that works with a casio keyboard?
[11:21] <acefrahm> I've got the install down, now I need a setup with DynDNS.com for my homepage
[11:21] <IndyGunFreak> xtknight: why not just boot an edgy cd?
[11:21] <xtknight> Zano, and feisty is in a state where it's semi-stable.  it's only a month away
[11:21] <Tukul> onk sex yuk
[11:21] <anytime> I did, "enabled roaming mode" selected
[11:21] <xtknight> IndyGunFreak, because edgy doesn't support two of his hardwares
[11:21] <Zano> Because it wont work on my computer IndyGunFreak
[11:21] <diazop> how do i get my mail to stop showing up in spam folders..im using postfix
[11:21] <diazop> and smtpd
[11:21] <ponk2> dd tok
[11:21] <IndyGunFreak> Zano: gotcha
[11:21] <sanityx> Is there a place to get feisty nightly builds?
[11:21] <anytime> It's the only way it's worked so far. i've played with it a bit
[11:21] <xtknight> sanityx, yes hold on
[11:21] <lufis> anytime: Ok, try unselecting that. DHCP is selected, yes?
[11:22] <IndyGunFreak> Zano: not being a smartass, have you considered LinuxMint?
[11:22] <acefrahm> My DynDNS is already configured but apache isn't serving
[11:22] <Ukubuntu> QUESTION: Is there an expected Ubuntu LTS release planned? I suspect not Feisty but maybe the next  - 7.10?
[11:22] <Zano> Honestly? No clue what that even is xD
[11:22] <xtknight> sanityx, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:22] <anytime> I can select it.
[11:22] <sanityx> xtknight, ty
[11:22] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: is your apache running?
[11:22] <xtknight> sanityx, that is the Daily LiveCD.  there is daily alternate here http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:22] <IndyGunFreak> Zano: i helped someone who had it last night, its a 100% compatible with Ubuntu.
[11:22] <Tukul> saiki wae
[11:22] <ardchoille> Ukubuntu: Probably not until Dapper support ends.
[11:22] <[WaZ] _> any way to force trash to empty?
[11:22] <anytime> do you want me to click it?
[11:22] <sanityx> i want the livecd, thanks
[11:22] <anytime> I may be temporarily disconnected
[11:22] <IndyGunFreak> Zano: it will use ubuntu repos, etc,
[11:22] <lufis> anytime: Click the drop down box? No, just uncheck "roaming mode" and tell me if dhcp is selected
[11:22] <IndyGunFreak> http://linuxmint.org
[11:22] <klm-> is it true that ubuntu is going to be bought by microsoft?
[11:23] <xtknight> sanityx, still yet there are DVDs http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/?C=D;O=A ;)
[11:23] <acefrahm> yes, I can view the page as 'localhost' but not from the web via IP os via hostname
[11:23] <anytime> yes
[11:23] <ponk2> mmmmmmmmmmmm
[11:23] <sanityx> xtknight, heh ok thanks.
[11:23] <IndyGunFreak> klm-: i doubt it, they just bought Suse
[11:23] <lufis> anytime: Okay. I think that might work for now on
[11:23] <zulfajuniadi> is your router setup properly?
[11:23] <ponk2> MMMMMMMMMMM
[11:23] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: is your router setup properly?
[11:23] <lufis> anytime: click OK to close the window
[11:23] <Tukul> mmmmmmmmmmmmm jg
[11:23] <ponk2> gi sik-isik
[11:23] <neilthereildeil> why doesnt ubuntu let me use su?
[11:23] <Jowi> ponk2, stop please
[11:23] <acefrahm> I already have internet workinf fine
[11:23] <rszt>  hey folks, i've just upgraded to dapper (LTS), and x session keeps restarting, returning to gdm login after a while, anyone knows how to fix this?
[11:23] <xtknight> !sudo  | neilthereildeil
[11:23] <ubotu> neilthereildeil: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:23] <ponk2> no
[11:24] <anytime> lufis, it disconnected me when I did that. It could only work with roaming mode, I had to reconnect it.
[11:24] <ponk2> no jov
[11:24] <ardchoille> !ops | ponk2 and Tukul continue ot
[11:24] <ubotu> ponk2 and Tukul continue ot: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth or jrib
[11:24] <lufis> anytime: Oh, whoops :)
[11:24] <xtknight> they are indonesian i believe
[11:24] <xtknight> !id
[11:24] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[11:24] <Ukubuntu> ardchoille; thank you, I think it is a shame in some ways as it helps promote the system, especially if there are new users and they suggest the saest and most stable is a year old, after two since releases?
[11:24] <xtknight> but i've already told both of em
[11:24] <ponk2> what is it
[11:24] <lufis> anytime: I don't know, that's strange
[11:24] <anytime> lufis, I'll have to keep playing with it. Thanks for trying. I appreciate it.
[11:24] <lufis> anytime: no problem
[11:24] <anytime> bye for now
[11:25] <LjL> ponk2, Tukul, this is a support channel, keep anything else out of here. thanks.
[11:25] <acefrahm> i want to host more than one site,  but I'm just trying to get www.acefrahm.com up
[11:25] <acefrahm> right now
[11:25] <ponk2> im not out
[11:25] <LjL> yes you are
[11:25] <xtknight> lol
[11:26] <LjL> and the clone too
[11:26] <xtknight> oh figures
[11:26] <sanityx> xtknight, wtf. the cd images are 701mb
[11:26] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: is your router setup properly?
[11:26] <sanityx> 701mb wont fit on a cd
[11:26] <xtknight> sanityx, pmfg! lol it's no problem ;P
[11:26] <acefrahm> I want to host many sites in the end, but for now I just want www.acefrahm.com up and working
[11:26] <sanityx> they burn?
[11:26] <xtknight> sanityx, iso has some headers in it/etc
[11:26] <sanityx> ah ok
[11:26] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: is your router setup properly
[11:26] <deavir> can anyone help with my prism2 wireless?  worked in edgy
[11:26] <pbcustom98> the .iso isnt that big
[11:26] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: yes, but you have to set your router first
[11:26] <MainEiac> /part/part
[11:27] <sanityx> pbcustom98, 7.04 nightly build ISO
[11:27] <usamahashimi> hello everyone!
[11:27] <acefrahm> zulfajuniadi: I have internet access
[11:27] <soundray> deavir: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[11:27] <xtknight> 702M for daily
[11:27] <xtknight> i386
[11:27] <rszt> hey all, i've just upgraded to dapper (LTS), and x session keeps restarting, returning to gdm login after a while, anyone knows how to fix this
[11:27] <Seveas> xtknight, dailies are often too big
[11:27] <xtknight> oh?
[11:27] <usamahashimi> through which cammand i can know about the port of my mouse?
[11:27] <xtknight> so they wont burn?
[11:27] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: yes, i can see so, how is your LAN setup?
[11:27] <LaNCeloT_RW> where do i get themes for Usplash!?
[11:27] <sanityx> What's really said is, Ubuntu 6.10 runs pretty slowly on my comp. But if I run ubuntu in vmware under windows, its fine.
[11:28] <xtknight> !usplash | LaNCeloT_RW
[11:28] <ubotu> LaNCeloT_RW: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[11:28] <IndyGunFreak> sanityx: that makes no sense
[11:28] <sanityx> IndyGunFreak, agreed.
[11:28] <xtknight> sanityx,  unsupported HW
[11:28] <sanityx> xtknight, yup
[11:28] <IndyGunFreak> sanityx: you've got a configuration wong, hardware issue, etc..
[11:28] <ponk3> wgf
[11:28] <the-reallap> can somene please help me with an instaler problem?
[11:28] <xtknight> the virtual machine provides linux with a very compatible system thus it's working fine
[11:28] <sanityx> i think it has something to do with the fact that i need to do pci=nomsi for my hard drives to show up
[11:28] <sanityx> either that or irqpoll
[11:28] <xtknight> !anyone | the-reallap
[11:28] <ubotu> the-reallap: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:28] <sanityx> but pci=nomsi works better
[11:29] <xtknight> sanityx, nomsi? whats that
[11:29] <acefrahm> zulfajuniadi:Ubuntu on dell XPS410 to switch with a windows tablet and wireless access point, from switch to Westell DSL modem in a bridge mode
[11:29] <sanityx> xtknight, I donnu. It just works.
[11:29] <xtknight> sanityx, routeirq you mean maybe?  all-generic-ide?
[11:29] <sanityx> its a sata laptop
[11:29] <sanityx> no
[11:29] <xtknight> curious, never heard of it
[11:29] <sanityx> i mean irqpoll
[11:29] <xtknight> ahh
[11:29] <sanityx> or pci=nomsi
[11:29] <IndyGunFreak> sanityx: have you installed ubuntu, or do you just experience these probs in Live mode.
[11:29] <sanityx> either one works
[11:29] <rszt> i've just upgraded to dapper (LTS), and x session keeps restarting, returning to gdm login after a while, anyone knows how to fix t
[11:29] <sanityx> its installed
[11:29] <the-reallap> the ubuntu installer freezes after i select Install or Start Ubuntu.
[11:29] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: is the modem set to pppoe?
[11:29] <LaNCeloT_RW> xtknight:  i already read the guide, at ubuntu docs and figured out that i have to create a .so from a image using bogl libs, till there its ok, but when I set my resolution to 1024*768/24bits and select the .so created from a image it doesnt work, just show me a lot of squares, circles and a color palette
[11:29] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, wierd
[11:29] <the-reallap> i have a pic of what its doing if that helps
[11:29] <sanityx> the live cd wont cd the drives unless i boot it with pci=nomsi OR irqpoll
[11:29] <ponk3> i miss you
[11:30] <xtknight> LaNCeloT_RW, sorry i have no idea
[11:30] <Sonic_13_> what is the command to add files to apache?
[11:30] <ardchoille> rszt: Have you looked in ~/.xsession-errors for any info?
[11:30] <sanityx> and also, once installed, ubuntu wont boot without one of those params.
[11:30] <Sonic_13_> !apache
[11:30] <LaNCeloT_RW> xtknight:  ok, tnx anyway :)
[11:30] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:30] <lufis> Sonic_13_: You mean files to host?
[11:30] <Sonic_13_> yes
[11:30] <[WaZ] > the-reallap: might want to press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to see where it gets stuck
[11:30] <xtknight> sanityx, well if it works fine maybe you should just use those with Edgy, until Feisty?  or is it still slow with the options even tho it works?
[11:30] <IndyGunFreak> sanityx: well, you've obviously got more issues than a newsstand, sorry
[11:30] <the-reallap> okay. ill do that. brb
[11:30] <ponk3> what is it
[11:30] <lufis> Sonic_13_: The default hosting directory is in the apache.conf file. look there it as i can't remember exactly where it is :P
[11:30] <rszt> ardchoille: i will, thx
[11:30] <sanityx> its a little slow with those options
[11:31] <sanityx> without those options its fine. except my hard drives dont show up
[11:31] <Sonic_13_> sudo /var/www (file name)?
[11:31] <IndyGunFreak> sanityx: what type of PC?
[11:31] <ponk3> im sorry gg
[11:31] <sanityx> Inspiron 1501 laptop
[11:31] <acefrahm> zulfajuniadi: yes, ppp and it's up
[11:31] <sanityx> Its cuz dell sucks, yes.
[11:31] <xtknight> LjL, he's back again
[11:31] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[11:31] <lufis> Sonic_13_: oh, no... you'll need sudo mv <file name> <destination>
[11:31] <sanityx> The bios is really crappy
[11:31] <sanityx> vmware has timing issues
[11:31] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: okay... now you have to route all incomming traffic at port 80 to your server's ip
[11:31] <pbcustom98> what are good laptops for ubuntu?
[11:31] <lufis> Sonic_13_: Although you can configure where it hosts from
[11:31] <pbcustom98> older ibm?
[11:31] <xtknight> sanityx, vmware has timing issues?  what do you mean?
[11:32] <sanityx> xtknight, I mean the clock in the vm will run super fast. or super slow.
[11:32] <xtknight> sanityx, ahh.  same happens on my dualcore.  clocksync fixes it.  vmware 6 might fix it
[11:32] <sanityx> xtknight, its due to the cpu's not having synced timings
[11:32] <xtknight> yea
[11:32] <soundray> pbcustom98: yes. There are also some HP ones that are good.
[11:32] <sanityx> eh
[11:32] <sanityx> what i do
[11:32] <sanityx> is just associate each vm with only one numa node
[11:32] <xtknight> run one VM per cpu?
[11:32] <sanityx> and i run vmware on windows
[11:32] <sirkism_> sweet mother, after 3 weeks of just installing ubuntu i just now got my wireless broadcom to work with fawn
[11:32] <sanityx> so no clocksync
[11:33] <soundray> pbcustom98: generally, on most modern laptops you can get ubuntu to work more or less
[11:33] <sirkism_> now I can move on to the real stuff :\
[11:33] <sanityx> xtknight, well sometimes. im usually only running one at a time though.
[11:33] <Enselic``> I'd like to configure my terminal charset, but I don't know what words to google for. ANyone know?
[11:33] <Enselic``> my non X terminal
[11:33] <xtknight> Enselic``, locale?
[11:33] <sanityx> xtknight, its vmware workstation. i dont leave it running, its a laptop not aserver.
[11:33] <Enselic``> vt1
[11:33] <xtknight> not sure
[11:33] <sanityx> We do have 2 badass vmware server boxes though.
[11:33] <soundray> pbcustom98: stay away from cheap ATI chipsets. Intel graphics are usually easiest to get to work, followed by nvidia.
[11:33] <Cod1> Hey.. I'm having an annoying Alsa problem, anyone care to help?
[11:33] <sanityx> two dualcore opterons + 4gb rma
[11:33] <sanityx> ram
[11:34] <xtknight> :O
[11:34] <Sonic_13_> i remember doing something different for hosting web pages in apache
[11:34] <sanityx> but now i wish we had gone intel :-(
[11:34] <xtknight> sanityx, amd athlon64 x2?
[11:34] <xtknight> oh nm opteron..
[11:34] <xtknight> same thing basically
[11:34] <sanityx> sanityx, the servers? no, opteron
[11:34] <sanityx> xtknight, my laptop is a turion 64 X2
[11:34] <xtknight> sanityx, wait so which one has the timing problems
[11:34] <sanityx> the laptop.
[11:35] <soundray> Sonic_13_: 'sudo cp file.html /var/www/'
[11:35] <xtknight> sanityx, the opterons don't?
[11:35] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: so how?
[11:35] <sanityx> not that i've noticed, no.
[11:35] <Cod1> my sound = doesnt work
[11:35] <xtknight> sanityx, did you try enabling HPET in the BIOS of the laptop?  if you can..
[11:35] <xtknight> sanityx, and do you know whether HPET is enabled on the server?
[11:35] <soundray> !sound > Cod1, please read ubotu's private message
[11:35] <sanityx> I can't, its a gimped bios
[11:35] <kolvo> #chelm
[11:35] <sanityx> its a dell bios
[11:35] <xtknight> figured :(
[11:35] <sanityx> you cant do anything
[11:35] <Cod1> oh. heheh..
[11:35] <sanityx> i cant do anything
[11:35] <makaveli> have a quick question i want to tie a key binding to /usr/bin/xterm and then have a terminal window open a file how would i do that?
[11:36] <sanityx> i cant disable cool n quiet
[11:36] <Cod1> ubotu doesnt help me
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesnt help me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <xtknight> that's why i hate laptops
[11:36] <sanityx> i cant change the amount of shared memory my video card has
[11:36] <Underlin3> can someone help me unzipping a .rar file?
[11:36] <sanityx> i cant do anything
[11:36] <xtknight> Underlin3, unrar x <rarfile>
[11:36] <xtknight> !info unrar | Underlin3
[11:36] <Underlin3> ok
[11:36] <ubotu> underlin3: unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (edgy), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[11:36] <kolvo> what change room?
[11:36] <xtknight> kolvo, what?
[11:36] <[WaZ] > xtknight:  unrar e <rarfile> ?
[11:37] <soundray> kolvo: /join #newchannel
[11:37] <xtknight> i always use X
[11:37] <kolvo> i have join oders rooms
[11:37] <kolvo> chanel
[11:37] <xtknight> !pl | kolvo
[11:37] <ubotu> kolvo: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:37] <Sonic_13_> "sudo mv <file name> <destination>" doesn't seem to work
[11:37] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: so how?
[11:37] <acefrahm_> I'm pretty sure the modem delivers all traffic to the switch and any listener can respond
[11:37] <kolvo> !pl
[11:37] <xtknight> you wanted the polish channel right?  (from your ip)
[11:37] <makaveli> have a quick question i want to tie a key binding to /usr/bin/xterm and then have a terminal window open a file how would i do that?
[11:38] <kolvo> right
[11:38] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: yes, but does the modem route the traffic to your server? or does it stop there?
[11:38] <xtknight> [WaZ] , e extracts but disregards directory structure
[11:38] <kolvo> i don't know how
[11:38] <xtknight> [WaZ] , x preserves directories
[11:38] <xtknight> kolvo, type /join #ubuntu-pl
[11:38] <soundray> makaveli: for the key binding, consider xbindkeys
[11:38] <kolvo> ok thanks a lot
[11:38] <[WaZ] > xtknight: good to know
[11:38] <soundray> !xbindkeys | makaveli
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xbindkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <kolvo> ;)
[11:38] <OiNutter> nobody here knows how I can record a keyboard to a midi?
[11:38] <Cod1> My sound doesnt work... alsamixer doesnt work...
[11:38] <Cod1> anyone?
[11:38] <soundray> !sound > Cod1, please read ubotu's private message
[11:38] <Cod1> dude
[11:38] <Cod1> i did
[11:38] <Cod1> didnt help
[11:39] <baktaah> How does one open gconf?
[11:39] <sanityx> Is it possible to apt-get icewm and have it actually be configured. i.e. when you install icewm, the menus are empty.
[11:39] <soundray> Cod1: then you should be able to give a *slightly* more precise description of the problem
it's not conducting any firewall activity
[11:39] <[WaZ] > Cod1: might not be this, but is PCM muted by any chance?
[11:39] <xtknight> baktaah, gconf-editor
[11:39] <soundray> baktaah: gconf-editor
[11:39] <Cod1> yeah i will im just making sure someone actually wants to help
[11:39] <IndyGunFreak> soundray: duh, his sound doesn't work.
[11:39] <xtknight> we do but we can't
[11:39] <Sonic_13_> how to host an html page with apache?
[11:39] <Cod1> Waz: i cant get into any volume control
[11:39] <zulfajuniadi> is your iptables setup properly?
[11:40] <soundray> IndyGunFreak: oh, thanks, that clarifies it. Sound = noworky
[11:40] <Cod1> when i click on the volume thing on my taskbar i get a gstreamer plugin device detection error
[11:40] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahmis your iptables setup properly?
[11:40] <soundray> :)
[11:40] <IndyGunFreak> soundray: lol
[11:40] <ardchoille> sanityx: You might need to copy one of the "example" menus in the system icewm location.
[11:40] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: is your iptables setup properly?
 I don't know what the iptables is
[11:40] <Cod1> alsamixer doesnt open at all, either
[11:40] <xtknight> you're \sound\ray.  you should be psychic
[11:40] <zulfajuniadi> try typing iptables
[11:40] <Cod1> me?
[11:40] <IndyGunFreak> Cod1: since you don't seem to be comprehending what anyone is saying here.. open a terminal, type lspci, and tell us what your sound device is.
[11:40] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: try type iptables -L in bash
 master of windows [11:41] <Cod1> k
[11:41] <Cod1>  Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[11:41] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: been there... done that... :D
[11:41] <soundray> Cod1: those are finicky devices...
[11:41] <IndyGunFreak> yep
[11:41] <Cod1> apparently
[11:41] <[WaZ] > finicky?
[11:41] <Sonic_13_> does anyone know how to host an html page with apache? (what do i enter, etc?)
[11:41] <soundray> Cod1: does it show as selected in System-Preferences-Sound-Sounds?
[11:41] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm: try type iptables -L in bash
[11:41] <IndyGunFreak> [WaZ] : picky
at the terminal , i get "no command specified"
[11:42] <Cod1> as the default?
[11:42] <Cod1> no
[11:42] <baktaah> soundray should I update gconf-editor?
[11:42] <Cod1> i see no options as the default device
[11:42] <sanityx> apt-get install poop!
[11:42] <[WaZ] > ty IndyGunFreak
[11:42] <hyphener> I'm installing 6.10 and the installer stops at 56% and does nothing; how can I find out what's causing this?
[11:42] <sanityx> ahah apt-cache search poop has 1 result.
[11:42] <soundray> baktaah: no. If you want to edit the gnome configuration, just type Alt-F2 gconf-editor
[11:42] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm sudo iptables -L?
[11:42] <[WaZ] > sanityx: you have too much time on your hands
[11:43] <sanityx> [WaZ] , true.
[11:43] <the-reallap> i tried ctrl+alt+F1 ... it didnt do anything
[11:43] <[WaZ] > the-reallap: strange
[11:44] <Cod1> ..
[11:44] <Cod1> so where can i get help
[11:44] <armadill0> How can I determine what support and options were compiled into my stock ubuntu kernel?
[11:44] <zulfajuniadi> the-reallap: f2? f3?
[11:44] <xtknight> armadill0, the full config is available in /boot/grub/config-*
I get chain policy accept for 3 things
[11:44] <xtknight> armadill0, i mean /boot/config-*
[11:44] <the-reallap> is it supposed to switch to text if it works ?
[11:44] <armadill0> xtknight: thank you sir
[11:44] <Cod1> doesnt ubuntu have some kind of support..
[11:44] <Cod1> over phone
[11:44] <Cod1> or somethin
[11:44] <xtknight> !canonical
[11:45] <ubotu> Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/
[11:45] <[WaZ] > zulfajuniadi: his LiveCD hangs at startup, so i told him to hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 to see where it hangs
[11:45] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_ you are using ubuntu rite?
[11:45] <amendt> Is there a better helpl for sharing files between computers than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo?highlight=%28nfs%29
[11:45] <zulfajuniadi> [WaZ] : you should hit F1 before it hangs...
[11:45] <acefrahm_>  <zulfajuniadi>input forward and output
[11:45] <[WaZ] > zulfajuniadi: well I assume he did
[11:45] <the-reallap> i did
[11:45] <Mirthy> Anyone here use "NVU" HTML editor?
[11:46] <the-reallap> and it did nothing but hang again
[11:46] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_  :you are using ubuntu rite?
[11:46] <the-reallap> im using the regular install CD
[11:46] <soundray> amendt: you could try describing your specific filesharing requirements and how/why nfs doesn't fit.
 yes, edgy eft and apache 2.0
[11:46] <[WaZ] > the-reallap: have you tried another boot option?
[11:46] <zulfajuniadi> [WaZ] : then it should come out the bash thingi
[11:46] <the-reallap> like?
[11:46] <the-reallap> im new at this
[11:46] <Cod1> does ubuntu have a support # i can call?
[11:46] <[WaZ] > zulfajuniadi: tell that to him, I know it should
[11:46] <soundray> !canonical > Cod1
[11:47] <[WaZ] > the-reallap: can't remember the boot options on live cd
[11:47] <[WaZ] > just a sec
[11:47] <sanityx> Mirthy, its not bad.
[11:47] <zulfajuniadi> the-reallap: where abouts does it hang?
[11:47] <the-reallap> its not the live CD
[11:47] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm whats your server url?
[11:47] <amendt> just two computers and sharing a folder, sharing has a nice gui, but sudo mount doesn't work for me
[11:47] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_ : whats your server url?
[11:48] <the-reallap> I hit Start or Install Ubuntu. the logo and th load bar pop up. the bar bounces back and forth three times then freezes
[11:48] <uplinked> anyone familiar with virtualization? i'd like to install vista onto a physical partition for use in a VM inside ubuntu, but also to dual-boot it. is this possible? VirtualBox doesn't seem to allow using a partition as a disk, can anyone recommend other software?
[11:48] <Cod1> is Canonical free support?
[11:48] <Cod1> "
[11:48] <zulfajuniadi> the-reallap: one the first or second bounce, try ctrl+alt+f1
[11:48] <[WaZ] > the-reallap: what video card are you using?
[11:49] <soundray> Cod1: no.
[11:49] <Cod1> wtf
[11:49] <Cod1> i need free
[11:49] <Mirthy> sanityx, Yeah, I just started using it and can't figure out how to make text go to the top left of a table, instead of the middle. :(
[11:49] <soundray> Cod1: you're not seriously asking for free telephone support, are you?
[11:49] <xtknight> lol
[11:49] <LjL> Cod1: and i need the moon.
[11:49] <the-reallap> ATI Radeon 1300 PCI-E 256MB
[11:49] <Sonic_13_> is anyone here an expert with apache?
[11:49] <Cod1> well when forums and IRc fails...
[11:49] <xtknight> when those fail you pay
[11:49] <Kazol> I have a problem hibernating: When I turn the computer back on again, it boots normally, but then I see a brick pattern on the screen followed by a a black screen with a blinking underscore. Then it turns completely black and there is no HD activity.
http://<IP_ADDRESS>  and acefrahm.com
[11:49] <Cod1> i dont see any other options
[11:49] <xtknight> but it doesn't <sound> like you've done a miraculous job describing your problem
[11:49] <colbert> I just got a 320gb hd and am installing a fresh ubuntu after my old hd has died.. what is the advisable scenario regarding partitions? How should I split it up? Should I make a partition for /home too??? Please any ideas...
[11:50] <soundray> Cod1: how about answering my question?
[11:50] <Cod1> what ? was that
[11:50] <the-reallap> i just tried again. right when it bounced i hit ctrl-alt-f1. then it froze
[11:50] <IndyGunFreak> Cod1:   http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=398954
[11:50] <[WaZ] > colbert: I usually seperate /home to make sure I keep my files if system fails
[11:50] <soundray> Cod1: it's rude not to read replies when you've asked a question in the channel
 Cod1: does it show as selected in System-Preferences-Sound-Sounds?
[11:50] <hendaus> somebody help me please!
[11:50] <Kazol> does anyone have any ideas as to why I cannot hibernate?
[11:50] <soundray> Cod1: does it show as selected in System-Preferences-Sound-Sounds?
[11:50] <LjL> !helpme | hendaus
[11:50] <ubotu> hendaus: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:50] <zulfajuniadi> the-reallap: bad download maybe? did you check the hashes?
[11:51] <the-reallap> no. ill check it.
[11:51] <colbert> [WaZ] , Ok, so what is your advice, how big for the main ubuntu partition, and how big for /home?
[11:51] <IndyGunFreak> soundray: look at this link...   one person said they made it work, another sadi the fix posted didn't work..lol
[11:51] <IndyGunFreak> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=398954
[11:51] <Cod1> yes both boxes are checked
[11:51] <colbert> [WaZ] , I plan on partitioning most of it into mp3/video/etc partitions for my files so I wouldn't store much at all on the main ubuntu install partition
[11:51] <Cod1> in sounds
[11:51] <[WaZ] > colbert: I have a smaller HD so I have 15 Gigz for / and the rest for /home
[11:51] <hendaus> LjL,  thanx, but i have a file .wmv it opens with kaffeine and it shows the sound not the video why
[11:52] <Cod1> soundray: yes both boxes are checked
[11:52] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_: your server seems to respond to my pings
great, now for real pages
[11:52] <[WaZ] > colbert: but ask someone else aswell
[11:52] <LjL> hendaus: because for playing most WMV you will need the actual Win32 codecs (i.e. the Windows codecs). you can also try VLC, it plays quite a few WMV files
[11:52] <xtknight> hendaus, you are probably lacking a codec.  there is an open source wmv9 codec out there, though
[11:52] <LjL> !vlc > hendaus    (hendaus, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:52] <LjL> !w32codecs > hendac    (hendac, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:52] <[WaZ] > soundray: what is a good size for a / partition if you seperate /home?
[11:52] <LjL> !w32codecs > hendaus    (hendaus, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:52] <xtknight> i think the open source one is included in the latest VLC is it not?
[11:52] <xtknight> ffmpeg wmv9..
[11:52] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_: but i cannot establish a connection with your port 80
[11:53] <colbert> yes please
[11:53] <soundray> Cod1: what's selected under Default Sound Card?
[11:53] <Cod1> nothing
[11:53] <Cod1> i dont think alsa is detecting it
[11:53] <zulfajuniadi> is your apache.conf correct, i mean does it bind to port 80?
[11:53] <colbert> [WaZ] , And if I separate /home, it runs and loads normally as it would if on the same partition right ?
[11:53] <IndyGunFreak> colbert: why would you do that?(install so many partitions ;ike that)
[11:53] <[WaZ] > colbert: yes
[11:53] <soundray> [WaZ] : minimum 2GB, 10GB if you can.
[11:54] <[WaZ] > soundray: ty
[11:54] <colbert> IndyGunFreak, I don't know, I'm asking what to do lol
[11:54] <neilthereildeil> hey
How can I be sure BIND isn't interfering with Apache?  It seems BIND is on this machine, but DyndNS means I don't need it, right?
[11:54] <[WaZ] > IndyGunFreak: I always seperate both in case I mess up my system
[11:54] <neilthereildeil> im a little confused about how ubuntu does permissions
[11:54] <IndyGunFreak> colbert: just make a swap, and a boot partition.
[11:54] <DARKGuy> Hey, I had a P3 900Mhz x86, but recently I bought a P4 3.2Ghz HT 800Mhz FSB, 2Mb Cache, model 640... I wonder, will it work better with the generic kernel or do I have to compile a new one, or should I use an x64 kernel ?
[11:54] <neilthereildeil> in FC6, if you wanna do something important, you have to do it as root
[11:54] <IndyGunFreak> [WaZ] : i guess i live on the edge, i just keep good backups...lol
[11:54] <neilthereildeil> how does ubuntu do it?
[11:54] <hendaus> xtknight,  yes which codec please, and can i find it from adept?
[11:54] <ardchoille> !sudo | neilthereildeil
[11:54] <ubotu> neilthereildeil: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:54] <IndyGunFreak> neilthereildeil: sudo
[11:54] <hendaus> LjL,  thanx
[11:54] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_: yes, i think so
[11:55] <[WaZ] > IndyGunFreak: Im lazy ;-) backing up, okay, but restoring :S
[11:55] <uplinked> does anyone know of virtualizaton software that will allow me to use a physical partition for a virtual machine, rather than a file-based "image of a virtual partition"?
Listen 80
[11:55] <acefrahm_> Listen 443
[11:55] <colbert> IndyGunFreak, I'm curious then with what you say, is there a negative side to making like say 100/100/50 gb partitions for the types of files I mainly have to keep it organized ?
[11:55] <xtknight> hendaus, did you check the PMs sent to you by ubotu about W32codecs?
[11:55] <colbert> Also, what do you guys use for backup? I have used SBBackup
[11:55] <DARKGuy> Hey, I had a P3 900Mhz x86, but recently I bought a P4 3.2Ghz HT 800Mhz FSB, 2Mb Cache, model 640... I wonder, will it work better with the generic kernel or do I have to compile a new one, or should I use an x64 kernel ?
[11:55] <Cod1> so.. am i screwed?
[11:55] <IndyGunFreak> [WaZ] : i can have my system right back where i had it n about 30min when i erase everythign.
[11:56] <[WaZ] > colbert: I use DVDs mainly
[11:56] <hendaus> xtknight,  yes i open the site but i am newbie :) please help me
[11:56] <IndyGunFreak> colbert: i have two partitions on my linux drive
[11:56] <xtknight> !w32codecs
[11:56] <colbert> [WaZ] , So what exactly do you do then, burn images onto DVD? or?
[11:56] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[11:56] <neilthereildeil> so what if i wanna give other people accounts to my computer?
[11:56] <soundray> DARKGuy: x64 won't work, generic will run fine, compiling unnecessary.
[11:56] <IndyGunFreak> colbert: my drive is set up 2gig swap, 248gig primary
[11:56] <[WaZ] > colbert: just save what I want on DVDs, thats all
[11:56] <neilthereildeil> cant they just sudo and do stuff as root?
  That's ports.conf, and that's all that's in it, Listen80 and Listen 443 (Which I added for later SSL)
[11:57] <xtknight> hendaus, well what do you need help with?
[11:57] <ardchoille> neilthereildeil: Did you read that page link I sent you?
[11:57] <neilthereildeil> yea
[11:57] <xtknight> hendaus, i dont know if it will fix Kaffeine to be honest.  although it probably will
[11:57] <neilthereildeil> thats how i got that question
[11:57] <uplinked> neilthereildeil, sudo requires to be a member of the sudo group, afaik, and you can tweak the permissions pretty well
[11:57] <IndyGunFreak> [WaZ] : i used to do that, then i finally figured out these external hard drives, and they are great
[11:57] <soundray> uplinked: (admin group)
[11:57] <[WaZ] > IndyGunFreak: I lost 2 300 GB HDs in the space of a week
[11:57] <uplinked> soundray, thanks again :)
[11:57] <ardchoille> neilthereildeil: The first user created during the install is put into the admin group. Other users you create won't be in the admin group (and won't be able to sudo) unless you specifically do this.
[11:57] <hendaus> xtknight,  i have a .wmv file and i want to watch the video,and thats all
[11:57] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_: tried using your local ip?
[11:58] <rpc> anyone running vmware-server able to answer a question?
[11:58] <jamiejcumb> any one no of windows emulator other than wine.
[11:58] <[WaZ] > IndyGunFreak: external
[11:58] <LjL> hendaus: you can find VLC from Adept once you have the Universe repository enabled. for the Win32 codecs, you need to manually enable seveas' repository.
[11:58] <colbert> IndyGunFreak, I see.. I could do that, but I guess I just have a personal preference to split things up for my own perfectionist organizational insanity ;) Just trying to be clear that there's no downside to partitioning like this, but rather it's just a preference issue ?
[11:58] <IndyGunFreak> [WaZ] : how?
[11:58] <LjL> !repositories > hendaus    (hendaus, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:58] <xtknight> hendaus, and did you try follwoing the instructions on that site?
[11:58] <uplinked> soundray, came from gentoo, where it's 'sudoers', which might be one of the worst group names i've ever considered.
[11:58] <Jowi> Cod1, does "lshw -C sound" give you any information, specifically where it says "configuration: driver=..."?  (if you get alot of info do not paste in here, use pastebin)
[11:58] <neilthereildeil> ok
[11:58] <neilthereildeil> i get it
 No, let me try from my windows tablet on the same switch
[11:58] <colbert> [WaZ] , wow, how on earth ?
[11:58] <Cod1> hold up
[11:58] <[WaZ] > IndyGunFreak: well, one fried, the other fell
[11:58] <IndyGunFreak> colbert: then just set them up in different folders, you'll never know the difference
[11:58] <hendaus> xtknight,  i dont understand exactly
[11:59] <soundray> [WaZ] : remove the magnets, you can do some cool things with them ;)
[11:59] <xtknight> hendaus, i mean this site.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages      start where it says gpg....
[11:59] <IndyGunFreak> [WaZ] : that is pretty bad luck
[11:59] <[WaZ] > soundray: I actually wanted to do that, but I need one of those special screwdrivers, and well, im lazy
[11:59] <DARKGuy> thanks soundray :)
[11:59] <DARKGuy> exit
[11:59] <colbert> [WaZ] , How often do you back up to DVD and do you use a DVD-RW or just a DVD-R each time?
[11:59] <Cod1> jowi: what are you looking for again?
[11:59] <DARKGuy> whoops xD
[11:59] <Cod1> the name of my driver?
[11:59] <[WaZ] > soundray: Actually I wanted to replace the circuit on the one that fried
It serves a default page, I Previously managed to setup somehow on the server, without really knowing what I was doing
[12:00] <Jowi> Cod1, yes. if it is mentioned.
[12:00] <hendaus> xtknight,  gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466 <-- whats that
[12:00] <xtknight> hendaus, it is a command that you must type into the Terminal
[12:00] <Cod1> 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio
[12:00] <[WaZ] > colbert: DVD-RW, and about once every two weeks, but I keep my really important stuff also on a server which is Raided
[12:00] <IndyGunFreak> poor chuck norris gets such a bad rap
[12:00] <Cod1> intel*
[12:00] <xtknight> hendaus, it will authenticate you so you can access the repository that you need to fix your playback problem.
[12:00] <zulfajuniadi> acefrahm_: default page?


[06:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libcupsfilters (lunar-proposed/main) [2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1 => 2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[07:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libppd (lunar-proposed/main) [2:2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1 => 2:2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[09:09] <RikMills> archive-admin: if anyone has a chance to review ktextaddons in NEW that would be appreciated. needed to be able to update the KDE PIM stack in mantic to the latest current release
[09:10] <RikMills> LP: #2021510
[09:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2021510 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging] ktextaddons" [Wishlist, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2021510
[11:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adv-17v35x (jammy-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1] (kernel-dkms)
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ristretto (focal-proposed/universe) [0.10.0-1 => 0.10.0-1ubuntu0.1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gtk4 (lunar-proposed/main) [4.10.3+ds-0ubuntu1 => 4.10.4+ds-0ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:18] <ccdm941> good morning/afternoon. I was wondering if it is possible to push the mantic perl update currently in proposed. The test failures that are still happening seem to be unrelated to the update (meaning, not a regression caused by the update). Thanks in advance!
[13:20] <ccdm941> one of the tests is failing because it is flaky and the other one is solved if the newer mysql-8.0 package in proposed is used instead
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-websockets (jammy-proposed/universe) [9.1-1 => 10.2-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libmbim (jammy-proposed/main) [1.28.0-1~ubuntu20.04.1 => 1.28.0-1~ubuntu20.04.2] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[14:30] <vorlon> ccdm94: how did you determine that the libmonitoring-livestatus-perl/arm64 test is "flaky", when it has passed 3 times in a row with the perl in the release pocket, and failed 7 times in a row with the perl in -proposed?
[14:53] <ccdm94> vorlon: sorry if this was an incorrect assumption about the test. However, I do not think that the update is the cause for the failure because the change applied was to force CPAN to verify SSL certificates when using HTTP::Tiny to recover modules from an HTTPS source. This test seems to not be failing because of a CPAN fail (or at least the messages do not seem to indicate this). Also, it seems like for other architectures, such
[14:53] <ccdm94>  as amd64, this is marked as "Not a regression" and the same tests are failing, so it could be a test issue, not an update issue. That was the reasoning behind this.
[14:56] <vorlon> ccdm94: ok, yes I see that amd64 was failing the same way; curious that arm64 was not.  NB this is not proof that the regression isn't introduced by the new perl version - it could perhaps be a change in behavior triggered by rebuilding with a new toolchain - but this at least establishes that the test in question is dubious and shouldn't block
[14:56] <vorlon> ccdm94: NB the test still passes on armhf and s390x...
[14:57] <vorlon> anyway, I will add a hint to ignore this test failure on arm64
[15:00] <ccdm94> vorlon: thank you
[15:30] <jbicha> bdmurray: since you're on today's SRU schedule, could you review gtk4 in lunar unapproved? it fixes a regression with the previous update, bug 2022851
[15:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2022851 in gtk4 (Ubuntu Lunar) "Nautilus displays invalid directory content after deleting" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022851
[16:22] <vorlon> jbicha: this appears to have the wrong bug tag? it's marked regression-release instead of regression-update
[16:23] <jbicha> vorlon: thanks, updated now
[17:11] <vorlon> ccdm94: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mysql-8.0/mantic/s390x mysql-8.0 autopkgtest failed with new perl
[17:14] <ccdm94> vorlon: yes, I saw this
[17:14] <vorlon> I've triggered it again to see if it behaves better
[17:19] <ccdm94> From what I understand, it seems like the issue is test 'main.derived_condition_pushdown', which is failing. I am looking at the output and I am not sure how the perl update would have resulted in this error, however, I also see that some previous builds (triggered by other packages) also failed because of this test (like the one triggered by sysvinit/3.06-4ubuntu1, for example). I can try to check what the test does and see if t
[17:19] <ccdm94> he perl update would cause an issue.
[17:22] <bdmurray> jbicha: have you looked into why gtk4 is stuck in -proposed for mantic?
[17:23] <bdmurray> libreoffice mantic/armhf w/ gtk4 looks like a timeout so I'll retry that
[17:24] <jbicha> bdmurray: I have running retries of those 2 libreoffice autopkgtests
[17:25] <bdmurray> Ah, I see that now.
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gtk4 [source] (lunar-proposed) [4.10.4+ds-0ubuntu1]
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libppd [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1.1]
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libcupsfilters [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1.1]
[18:42] <ccdm94> vorlon: i see the mysql-8.0 autopkgtest re-run has passed. Yay to that!
[19:04] <vorlon> ccdm94: then perl should migrate automatically now
[19:05] <ccdm94> vorlon: thank you very much for the help and feedback on this!
[19:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: docker.io-app (mantic-proposed/primary) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1]
[19:45] <kanashiro[m]> vorlon: I am working to split the docker.io library and application so we can easily update the application in supported releases without breaking rdeps of the library. I just uploaded src:docker.io-app (in NEW) which provides docker.io (application) and docker-doc (documentation) binary packages. Those binary packages are provided right now by src:docker.io and I am moving them to src:docker.io-app. In LP #2022390, I am working o
[19:45] <kanashiro[m]> where we are going to basically follow Debian regarding the -dev package and remove the other binaries (moved to src:docker.io-app). With all that said, we need to upload the src:docker.io merge with Debian and review/accept src:docker.io-app, not sure if we need to remove the docker.io and docker-doc binaries provided by src:docker.io before we land src:docker.io-app.
[19:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2022390 in docker.io (Ubuntu) "Keep all binaries but docker.io (application) in sync with Debian" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022390
[19:47] <vorlon> kanashiro[m]: I think part of your message got lost due to irc line splitting; I got "In LP #2022390, I am working o" and then "where we are going to basically follow Debian"
[19:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2022390 in docker.io (Ubuntu) "Keep the -dev binary package in sync with Debian" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022390
[19:47] <kanashiro[m]> meh, sorry, let me also split my message
[19:48] <vorlon> kanashiro[m]: you do not need to remove the binaries before landing src:docker.io-app; you will need to remove them as part of the next upload of src:docker.io after src:docker.io-app is accepted (otherwise, the package will build in launchpad but binaries will fail to upload)
[19:48] <kanashiro[m]> In LP #2022390, I am working on a src:docker.io merge where we are going to basically follow Debian regarding the -dev package and remove the other binaries (moved to src:docker.io-app).
[19:48] <kanashiro[m]>  With all that said, we need to upload the src:docker.io merge with Debian and review/accept src:docker.io-app, not sure if we need to remove the docker.io and docker-doc binaries provided by src:docker.io before we land src:docker.io-app.
[19:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2022390 in docker.io (Ubuntu) "Keep the -dev binary package in sync with Debian" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022390
[19:50] <kanashiro[m]> vorlon: right, thanks for letting me know. So I am going to wait for the review/acceptance of src:docker.io-app so I can proceed with the src:docker.io upload
[19:50] <vorlon> you also don't have to wait, because the new docker.io that drops the binaries will be held in -proposed until the binaries are superseded in the release pocket
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glibc [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.35-0ubuntu3.2]
[20:05] <vorlon> Vcs-Git: https://github.com/canonical/docker.io-app.git
[20:05] <vorlon> really? not git-ubuntu?
[20:07] <kanashiro[m]> vorlon: we are maintaining there to keep our relationship with tianon, they are still helping us with reviews
[20:08] <vorlon> +ListenStream=/run/docker.sock
[20:08] <vorlon> I really need to do a /var/run audit over the archive sometime
[20:08] <kanashiro[m]> At least now we are using the canonical namespace :)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted docker.io-app [source] (mantic-proposed) [20.10.25-0ubuntu1]
[20:37] <kanashiro[m]> vorlon: thanks for accepting docker.io-app ! ^
[20:45] <rbasak> vorlon: I don't think git-ubuntu works for a maintaining team that originates the packaging
[20:48] <vorlon> rbasak: sorry, I don't understand what you mean
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: domdf-python-tools [amd64] (mantic-proposed/none) [3.4.0-1] (no packageset)


[08:02] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230507)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[23:37] <mparillo> MM ISO is out, and I got a clean install in VMWare. No obvious changes to me yet.


[00:01] <ScottK> Is that common enough it's worth it to comment on every accept?
[00:01] <ScottK> Could we just ping on the problem cases and people reply?
[00:02] <infinity> We've been doing that, but it's a bit problematic when the accept was out of your timezone.
[00:02]  * infinity shrugs.
[00:02] <infinity> I'm not wildly picky, but it can be irritating to hunt down rationale, or even a person to ask about rationale.
[00:07]  * ScottK finds adding overhead to commonly performed operations to solve rare problems annoying.
[00:13]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:13] <ScottK> JFTR, New has been done.  I've done it for packages that were related to FFE's I approved.
[00:13] <skaet> Thanks ScottK
[00:14] <skaet> Riddell,  if still around,  are things set for the next set of dailies to show up as beta 1 - or still some things pending to do there?
[00:15] <Riddell> skaet: iso tracker should be done
[00:15] <nessita> hello everyone! I was wondering if someone can help me defining if a given bug requires a FFe or not
[00:15] <Riddell> skaet: just ticking the boxes and pressing the button when the isos appear I think
[00:15] <skaet> Riddell,  coolio.  nusakan switched?
[00:16] <nessita> the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/930716 (please note that there is a branch attached to the bug report that shows all the changes that would be needed to solve it)
[00:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 930716 in ubuntuone-client/trunk "ubuntuone.credentials is not preferring the SSO Qt UI for auth" [High,In progress]
[00:16] <Riddell> skaet: hmm let me see
[00:18] <Riddell> skaet: hmm how do I do that again?
[00:20] <Riddell> nessita: so it's ubuntuone.credentials making use of a new API to show a given frontend?
[00:20] <ScottK> Is either one shipped on the CD?
[00:21] <nessita> Riddell: yes, the new API and new frontend are already in Ubuntu, the branch onle makes ubuntuone.credentials "prefer" that
[00:22]  * ScottK votes bug fix (no FFe), but only barely.
[00:22] <nessita> ScottK: ubuntuone.credentials is shipped on the CD, sso as well (but not the Qt bits). SSO will fallback to the GTK+ UI if the requested UI is not available
[00:22] <ScottK> OK.
[00:23] <ScottK> Unless Riddell disagrees, I think you can call it a bug fix.
[00:23] <Riddell> fine with me
[00:23] <nessita> thanks! :-)
[00:28] <Riddell> skaet: sorry I need to sleep, you'll need to do whatever nusakan needs yourself
[00:29] <ScottK> I bet we could do a release team meeting really fast and well with trello
[00:29] <skaet> Riddell,  ack.  ok,  will handle.
[00:29] <skaet> or at least will try.  ;)
[00:44] <skaet> default_milestone=Precise Beta 1 has been set in .isotracker.conf
[00:46]  * skaet notes that edubuntu-dvd appear to be be building,  will see if it now shows up under Beta 1.
[01:44] <skaet> Edubuntu DVD has now appeared under Precise Beta 1... *\o/*
[01:46] <skaet> Framework for gathering release note information for Beta 1 is now up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview
[01:47] <skaet> gnomescan is a FTBFS fix, have approved
[01:48] <skaet> the unapproved queue is now empty, and so on that note,  time to go for dinner.
[01:52] <infinity> skaet: gnomescan was being replaced with gnome-scan anyway.  I need to review and upload that this weekend.
[01:52] <infinity> skaet: But oh well. :)
[01:53] <skaet> infinity, :)  beer-o-clock!
[01:54] <infinity> If crimsun swings by asking why his gnomescan builds are failing to upload, that's why.  And I'm on it (later).
[01:57] <infinity> Oh, or Ampelbein may have already uploaded gnome-scan, even better.
[01:58]  * infinity will clean up gnomescan later.
[17:45] <ScottK> Wow.  Powerpc caught up.
[21:49] <skaet> Riddell, NCommander, pitti, slangasek - since we've got a first set of images up under Beta 1 on the iso tracker,  I went ahead and disabled the crontab for now, so they have a chance to gather some test results.
[21:49] <NCommander> skaet: great, I'll keep an eye on it over the weekend
[21:50] <skaet> Thanks NCommander  :)
[21:52] <tumbleweed> incoming tesseract spam
[21:53] <skaet> NCommander,  could you and see if you can figure out why the ubuntu-server images for i386/amd64 didn't get built/posted?   also xubuntu-alternate appear missing.
[21:54] <NCommander> skaet: will smack it
[21:54] <skaet> :)  Thanks!
[22:19] <tumbleweed> ScottK: thanks! you made quick work of that
[22:25] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:25] <ScottK> skaet: I accepted a kde4libs update today for a milestoned bug, so the Kubuntu images need rebuilding.
[22:27] <skaet> ScottK,  which bug?
[22:28]  * ScottK looks
[22:29] <ScottK> skaet: Bug #935521
[22:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 935521 in kde4libs "missing file in kdoctools.install script" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935521
[22:32] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.   have added needed to the pad.  Edubuntu affected as well?
[22:32] <ScottK> I don't know. If they ship any kde apps, they are, so I'd assume so.
[22:35] <skaet> NCommander, ^^ please add Edubuntu and Kubuntu rebuilds to the list after you finish looking at server/xubuntu-alterate
[22:36] <skaet> ScottK,  just checked the manifest,  and yes - they're included.
[22:36] <skaet> in Edubuntu
[22:36] <skaet> stgraber, highvoltage ^^ fyi.
[22:36] <NCommander> skaet: will do
[22:37] <skaet> Thanks!  :)
[22:37] <highvoltage> thanks skaet
[22:50] <ScottK> tesseract storm is over.
[22:51] <stgraber> skaet: indeed, we ship kdeedu so we'll probably need a rebuild then
[23:14] <Riddell> thanks ScottK


[00:17] <marcoceppi> I found a weird regression
[00:17] <hazmat> marcoceppi, how so?
[00:18] <marcoceppi> in juju-0.7 I can do `rsync -avz -e "juju ssh -e <juju_env>" charm/0:/path/to/file ./` but that fails in juju-core (logging bug) since it's trying to parse everything after the unit is given in the command chain
[00:19] <sarnold> charm/0:/foo  works? wow
[00:21] <marcoceppi> sarnold: when you set -e to juju ssh, it does, it basically computes to something like this: juju ssh mysql/0 rsync --server --sender -vvlogDtprze.iLsf . "/var/log/juju/*"
[00:21] <sarnold> marcoceppi: very neat :)
[00:21] <marcoceppi> hazmat: not sure how likely this is to get fixed in core, looks like a discrepancy with the way arguments are parsed compared to 0.7
[00:22]  * marcoceppi considers a juju-rsync plugin as an alternative
[00:22] <hazmat> yeah.. if the latter form works i'd consider it an oddball
[00:22] <hazmat> ie rsync after the unit spec
[00:23] <marcoceppi> Should I not bother a bug report then? Given this appears to be "expected" behavior in juju-core?
[00:25] <hazmat> marcoceppi, for ssh compounding to the unit name to me seems like a non feature.. if it also applies to juju scp where the common form is host:/path then its worth a bug.. else not imo.
[00:26] <marcoceppi> hazmat: ack
[00:27] <hazmat> hmm
[00:27] <hazmat> marcoceppi, by charm/0 you met unit/0 ?
[00:28] <hazmat> ment
[00:28] <hazmat> marcoceppi, you ever head out to lost dogs?
[00:28] <marcoceppi> hazmat: yes, so something like mysql/0 - what I was saying is that rsync command works with 0.7 pyjuju but not juju-core
[00:28] <marcoceppi> hazmat: I live near it, but I've not traveled that way
[00:28] <marcoceppi> I hear they have good pizza and beer though
[00:30] <hazmat> marcoceppi, indeed they do.. and good sandwitches.. i hit them up on a regular basis.. was debating a journey out this evening
[00:31] <hazmat> marcoceppi, this form.. `rsync -avz -e "juju ssh -e <juju_env>" charm/0:/path/to/file ./` working isn't worth a bug.. it is if this one doesn't though imo..  juju ssh mysql/0 rsync --server --sender -vvlogDtprze.iLsf . "/var/log/juju/*"
[00:32] <hazmat> omg .. -vvlogDtprze.iLsf
[00:32] <marcoceppi> hazmat: the neither work because juju says: error: flag provided but not defined: --server
[00:33] <hazmat> marcoceppi, so the latter one is worth a bug.. anything after the unit/machine should be passed through to ssh
[00:33] <marcoceppi> hazmat: ah, that sounds lovely, if it was an invitation I sadly have plans tonight. Any other day I would be down for beer and sandwiches
[00:33] <marcoceppi> hazmat: ack, so i the latter is fixed, the former will also be repaired as the former expands to the latter
[00:33] <marcoceppi> s/so i/so if/
[00:34]  * marcoceppi files a bug
[00:34] <hazmat> marcoceppi, cool, and icc
[01:21] <dpb1> thumper: awesome, thanks
[01:31] <mwhudson> hmm
[01:32] <mwhudson> how do you deploy onto quantal?
[01:32] <thumper> mwhudson: whazzup?
[01:32] <thumper> mwhudson: simplest way is to set default series in environments.yaml
[01:32] <mwhudson> done that
[01:32] <thumper> you also need quantal charms
[01:32] <mwhudson> aah ok
[01:32] <mwhudson> and there aren't many?
[01:32] <thumper> right
[01:32] <thumper> most are lts only
[01:33] <thumper> I guess you could branch the precise charms locally
[01:33] <mwhudson> fun fun fun when the lts kernel doesn't boot with the firmware you are using
[01:33] <thumper> then use a local charm to push to quantal
[01:33]  * thumper waves his hands
[01:33] <thumper> then magic happens
[01:33] <thumper> sorry, not push
[01:33] <thumper> deploy local:foo
[01:34]  * mwhudson sighs
[01:34] <thumper> I don't know the details...
[01:34] <thumper> but seems possible
[01:34] <mwhudson> yeah, must be possible
[01:34] <thumper> with not too many hoops
[01:38] <marcoceppi> mwhudson: you can also deploy the precise version of a charm to a quantal environment (not recommended). I believe if you do juju deploy cs:precise/mysql with a quantal default-series you should get the precies charm on a quantal machine
[01:38]  * marcoceppi double checks
[01:38] <mwhudson> marcoceppi: don't bother, you don't
[01:38] <mwhudson> because that's what i did earlier
[01:38] <marcoceppi> mwhudson: juju-core or juju-0.7?
[01:39] <mwhudson> 0.7
[01:39] <mwhudson> because i'm deploying to armhf, see earlier :)
[01:39] <marcoceppi> ah, fun fun
[01:40] <marcoceppi> yeah, you're going to need to branch the charms, some thing like mkdir ~/charms/quantal; bzr branch lp:charms/mysql ~/charms/quantal/; juju deploy --repository ~/charms local:mysql; unfortuantely
[01:40] <marcoceppi> okay /me really needs to go
[01:41] <mwhudson> ta
[01:44] <sarnold> having done two (very simple) charms so far, it seemed like it'd be easy to have precise and quantal versions.. but now there's also raring, and soon saucy, all before the next lts.. On the one hand, having versions for all of those sounds a bit kind, on the other hand, doing the work to make them happen is enough work that I haven't yet...
[01:45] <sarnold> .. and I'd feel bad if someone found problems with e.g. a quantal version six months after I'd stopped even using it..
[01:46] <sarnold> is there a suggested best practice here?
[02:40] <mwhudson> would one expect juju (0.7) to survive the bootstrap node unexpectedly rebooting?
[02:41] <mwhudson> 2013-05-22 22:35:55,402: twisted@ERROR: Unhandled Error
[02:41] <mwhudson> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:41] <mwhudson> Failure: zookeeper.NodeExistsException: node exists
[02:42] <mwhudson> in machine.log doesn't look good :(
[02:46] <sarnold> mwhudson: I think I heard that's not supported..
[02:46] <mwhudson> yay
[02:46]  * mwhudson runs destroy-environment
[02:46] <mwhudson> one more time can't hurt right?
[02:50] <sarnold> I assume they go to environment heaven, where the clouds are .. cloudy, and zookeepers have a lot of cool animals to tend
[04:50] <AskUbuntu> -bash: metrik@Metrik-Corp-Server1-MASS-Control:~/.juju$: No such file or directory | http://askubuntu.com/q/298941
[10:08] <mattyw> I keep getting the "cannot get latest charm revision: no charms found matching" when deploying a local charm, any idea how to debug this, I'm sure my yaml files are valid. It seems similar to this but I even get it when removing the symlinks I have https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1129319
[10:08] <_mup_> Bug #1129319: Local charm deployment not working if symlinks are used <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1129319>
[10:46] <hazmat> mattyw, perhaps there's an error on the charm itself
[10:46] <hazmat> mattyw, really simple go program to verify a charm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693306/
[10:47] <mattyw> hazmat, looks like it was my metadata.yaml having an error
[10:47] <mattyw> hazmat, that's a great little tool thanks
[10:52] <mattyw> hazmat, it would be useful for that tool to be available in juju somehow - like a juju verify-charm command or a plugin
[10:57] <hazmat> mattyw, agreed.. plugins are a little problematic..
[10:58] <hazmat> for go ironically
[10:58] <hazmat> no compilation/distribution model
[11:07] <mattyw> it doesn't seem like doing juju destroy-service or juju remove-unit on a charm which has failed works, anyone else seen this?
[11:15] <sidnei> mattyw: you have to mark it as resolved first, so that the stop hook gets called
[11:15] <mattyw> sidnei, ok thanks
[11:25]  * hazmat prefers juju-deployer -T -W
[11:26]  * hazmat files a bug report for force
[11:28] <hazmat> bug 1089289 and bug 1183309 fwiw
[11:28] <_mup_> Bug #1089289: remove-unit --force <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089289>
[11:28] <_mup_> Bug #1183309: destroy-service should have a force option <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183309>
[12:22] <mattyw> marcoceppi, ping?
[12:22] <marcoceppi> mattyw: pong
[12:26] <mattyw> marcoceppi, thanks for the legacy_juju review, it's already in charm helpers as the juju-gui guys are using it as well, shall I still submit and MP to get it into the main part of helpers?
[12:27] <marcoceppi> mattyw: If the code already exists in the new charm-helpers project I wouldn't worry about it. If not, then I'd say open a merge request for it (if you're interested in seeing it live on)
[13:49] <mattyw> has anyone tried deploying the postgresql charm using juju-core? I'm seeing an error during it's call to relation-list saying -r isn't defined as a flag
[13:51] <marcoceppi> mattyw: it's a known bug in juju-core
[13:51] <marcoceppi> mattyw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1172895
[13:51] <_mup_> Bug #1172895: relation-list incompatibility with pyjuju: -r <juju-core:Fix Committed by fwereade> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172895>
[13:51] <mattyw> marcoceppi, ok cool, just wanted to know if I should be raising it or was it already captured
[13:52] <marcoceppi> mattyw: looks like it's actually targeted for the next patch release of juju-core, (1.10.1) not sure when that will be though
[14:30] <sinzui> hi ~charmers. I have a branch that needs review: https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charms/precise/mongodb/restore-from-dump/+merge/165408
[14:30] <sinzui> maybe wedgwood should look at it ^ since webops want the feature
[14:32] <wedgwood> sinzui: did they?
[14:34] <wedgwood> sounds like something webops would ask for
[14:34] <wedgwood> I'll have a look today
[14:34] <sinzui> wedgwood, mthaddon reported the issue in regards to jujucharms.com
[14:35] <wedgwood> sinzui: I suppose I should say I'll *try* to get to it today. I've got a sprint next week that I'm prepping for. If I don't get to it today, it'll be a while.
[14:36] <mthaddon> sinzui: ftr, wedgwood is no longer in webops, is now in IS projects, but is obviously still involved in charm reviewing generally
[14:36] <sinzui> wedgwood, thank you for trying. Does this sprint involve updates to an elasticsearch charm (I saw a references to it in an rt)
[14:37] <sinzui> mthaddon, thank you. I did not know that
[14:37] <mthaddon> sinzui: we're in squads now, rotating between web0ps, projects and operations
[14:38] <sinzui> oh
[14:39] <wedgwood> sinzui: and next week's sprint regards that reorg. No elasticsearch work that I'm aware of
[14:40] <mthaddon> wedgwood: it may be one of the targets for paired juju programming, but I can't confirm that at the moment
[14:40] <sinzui> okay. I have a todo to update our version of the charm to release 0.90.0. Once done, I think I will propose it to replace the current charm as it addresses most of the issues that have been brought up about the current charm
[17:05] <paraglade> marcoceppi: look like I am not getting the SSL issue again but this time I am getting the error when tying to bootstrap an EC2 instance ( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5694293/ )
[17:05] <paraglade> did you happen to have a fix for this?
[17:06] <marcoceppi> paraglade: not this specific error, as I mentioned yesterday someone was having "similar" ssl issues, they reinstalled ca-certificates and that resolved it for them. I'm honestly not sure about this error as I've not encountered it in Juju before
[17:07] <marcoceppi> paraglade: outside of filing a bug, that would be my only suggestion :\
[17:07] <paraglade> ack
[17:08] <sarnold> paraglade: you could use strace or fatrace to try to find out _which_ file causes that error.
[17:09] <sarnold> paraglade: knowing that might get you to a point where you could investigate ..
[17:18]  * paraglade shakes head
[17:19] <paraglade> well turns out that I have some *.pem files in my .juju dir that juju does not like.  thanks sarnold strace helped.  I am now able to bootstrap.
[17:20] <sarnold> paraglade: woo! :)
[19:36] <bac> hi marcoceppi, there is a new team ~juju-gui-charmers that has ~juju-gui and ~charmers in it.  we'd like the branch of the GUI that team owns to be the official charm.  can you do that or is that an m_3 thing?
[19:46] <marcoceppi> bac: I should be able to, let me take a look
[19:46] <bac> thx
[19:59] <marcoceppi> bac: juju-gui has been re-promulgated to https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk
[19:59] <marcoceppi> I'm deleting the ~charmers branch
[19:59] <bac> marcoceppi: cool, thanks
[19:59] <bac> marcoceppi: not yet, please
[20:00] <marcoceppi> bac: ack, np
[20:00] <bac> marcoceppi: there is a bug i'm working with orange resolve.  they only look at ~charmer owned branches for the charm browser, not the official one
[20:00] <bac> marcoceppi: i'd like the ~charmers branch to remain until that bug is fixed
[20:01] <marcoceppi> bac: Oh, that's right. No problem - not sure how you'll want to handle keeping that update (if at all) but I'll leave that up to you
[20:01] <bac> marcoceppi: hopefully by resolving the bug v. soonish
[20:03] <bac> marcoceppi: the upside of this change is now ~charmers can push to that location, which was one of the motivations (he said stating the obvious).
[20:47] <m_3> bac: marcoceppi: the ~juju-gui team branch has been the official one used when `juju deploy juju-gui`
[20:47] <m_3> the problem is that jujucharms.com points only to ~charmers branches and needs to be fixed
[20:47] <m_3> there's a bug on that somewhere
[20:49] <m_3> marcoceppi: we can't delete the ~charmers stuff with all the junk stacked on top of it still... at least I don't know how to do that without getting lp help from #IS
[20:49] <bac> m_3, orange has a fix to that bug about to land.
[20:49] <bac> m_3, hmmm, hadn't considered stacking...
[20:49] <marcoceppi> m_3: yeah, I tried to delete it before bac said to wait, and was met with newman saying "no no no, you didn't say the magic word"
[20:51] <m_3> lp:charms/juju-gui was matching lp:~juju-gui/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk and that was the one deployed by the CLI
[21:01] <hazmat> m_3, unfortunately the code base has changed so greatly from the version on jujucharms.com  i'm reluctant to do a quick fix..
[21:01] <hazmat> i guess its not the end of the world..
[21:17] <m_3> hazmat: yeah, that ones been sitting there for a while... I wanted to get together over UDS-time to hash out a decent soln
[21:20] <m_3> so current situation is that `juju deploy juju-gui` deploys lp:~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk, but jujucharms.com still points to lp:~charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk
[21:23]  * m_3 back to talks
[22:18] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, very cool about juju-test.  I'll see if we can switch to it (may require switching our charm tests to juju core, which we ought to do anyway, but makes testing your work farther away)
[22:18] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: you can use juju-test with pyjuju :)
[22:19] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, oh cool!  I thought we would need the plugin stuff
[22:19] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: naw, if it's in the path, just run juju-test intead of juju test
[22:19] <gary_poster> awesome marcoceppi I'll pass that along
[22:19] <gary_poster> thanks
[22:20] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: plugins haven't even been "released" yet, they just landed in trunk yesterday
[22:20] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: no problem. I'm all ears to feedback, what sane defaults should be, etc. just let me know!
[22:20] <gary_poster> cool, will do :-)
[23:35] <arosales> marcoceppi, +1 on the testing progress. Thanks for the work and update.


[16:54] <cjohnston> mhall119: JoseeAntonioR my suggestion would be to do it like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/view/head:/summit/schedule/views.py#L416, it isnt ajax, but you click it, it would add you as attending, ad just refresh the pge your on
[16:55] <cjohnston> that would be a quick and easy fix
[16:55] <cjohnston> unless you can get something ajaxy quickly
[16:55] <JoseeAntonioR> if JoseeAntonioR gets how that works, he'll fix it asap
[16:55] <cjohnston> but we dont have anything ajaxy yet, so I don't know how easy itll be to add
[16:55] <cjohnston> if ajax is easy, that is an easier fix
[16:56] <cjohnston> if ajax is easy, that is a better fix
[16:56] <cjohnston> this suggestion is just quicker and easier
[16:56] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll take a look at it now
[16:59] <czajkowski> cjohnston: arent you on holidays?
[17:00] <cjohnston> ya
[17:00] <cjohnston> I'm leaving in a minute
[17:00] <cjohnston> :-P
[17:00] <cjohnston> its raining outside tho, so we are hiding
[17:37] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: around?
[21:22] <jono> pleia2, hey
[21:22] <jono> you there?
[21:22] <jono> or bkerensa
[21:22] <jono> you there?
[21:25]  * popey tickles jono
[21:32] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: pleia2 is in Ghana, was here a couple hours ago, and bkerensa, want me to ping his phone?
[21:33] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, yes please
[21:33] <jono> I sent him an email
[21:33] <jono> I need an Ubuntu tablecloth urgently to be sent to San Diego
[21:34] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: I think pleia2 left the things to philballew, I can call him and confirm
[21:34] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, yes that would be perfect
[21:34] <jono> can you call him and let me know ASAP
[21:34] <jono> thanks!
[21:35] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[21:40] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: none of them is answering, but Phil should soon as I've sent a text message
[21:40] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, thanks
[21:40] <JoseeAntonioR> np
[21:42] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: he hasn't got one, but he says Mike Joseph (Lyz' fiancee) should have the Cali one
[21:42] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, do you have his number?
[21:42] <jono> can you ask him to ask him?
[21:42] <JoseeAntonioR> let me check
[21:43] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, one sec
[21:45] <jono> thanks
[21:48] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: give me 5 mins, and I'll call him
[21:49] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, thanks
[21:49] <pleia2> jono: I already emailed to say I have the only key, please don't bother myf amily about this
[21:49] <pleia2> (and rolling blackouts here, my connection is awful)
[21:49] <JoseeAntonioR> got it
[22:08] <jono> thanks pleia2
[22:10] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: Ben says he'll reply when he gets home later tonight, plus post office is closed today
[22:11] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, thanks
[22:11] <JoseeAntonioR> ok