[17:08] <CShadowRun> Can anyone tell me about the status of xrandr with nvidias proprietary driver, and xrandr shared graphics memory (So multiple displays across multiple cards without xinerama?)
[17:09] <CShadowRun> I heard one article about it years ago but can't find much on it anymore
[17:58] <superm1> CShadowRun, they don't support the current randr1.2 stuff. you'll need to use their tool
[17:59] <CShadowRun> yea, i know
[17:59] <CShadowRun> i was just wondering what the news was
[17:59] <CShadowRun> and i'm not so sure xrandr does what i think it can do
[17:59] <superm1> it can't necessarily
[17:59] <CShadowRun> (Allowing you to have multiple heads across multiple cards without xinerama)
[18:00] <CShadowRun> does it allow you to do that on intel cards for example? i think intel is xrandr friendly now right?
[18:01] <jcristau> intel was the first randr friendly driver
[18:01] <jcristau> and no, randr doesn't do anything across multiple gpus
[18:01] <CShadowRun> oh :(
[18:02] <CShadowRun> So there's nothing new in the works in terms of multi display support?
[18:02] <CShadowRun> (Across multiple cards)
[18:03] <CShadowRun> because the way i see it i either have to use separate X screens, thus loosing the ability to move windows between heads and have a bunch of bugs in gnome
[18:03] <CShadowRun> or i have to use xinerama, loosing graphics performance and composite, so no compiz
[18:03] <CShadowRun> either way isn't that good :(
[18:05] <CShadowRun> (atm i use separate X screens, and have replaced gnome-panel with cairo-dock which solves a few bugs, full screen flash and full screen games don't work properly at all still)
[18:09] <jcristau> CShadowRun: not afaik
[18:09] <CShadowRun> :(
[18:09] <jcristau> nobody's stopping you tho
[18:09] <CShadowRun> stopping me from what?
[18:09] <jcristau> sending patches
[18:09] <jcristau> :)
[18:10] <CShadowRun> haha yea just hold on while i go learn everything to be anywhere near smart enough to do that :P
[18:10] <CShadowRun> lemme approach this from a different angle though, if you wanted a quad screen system with support for compiz and gaming, how would you go about it?
[18:13]  * hyperair wonders if it is humanly possible to use four screens simultaneously
[18:13] <CShadowRun> yup *waves*
[18:13] <CShadowRun> 7680x1200 total resolution, 4 26" LCD's side by side, 86" vpa
[18:14] <hyperair> aren't you really looking at only one screen at a time?
[18:14] <hyperair> or at most, two?
[18:14] <CShadowRun> well yea, each monitor has a different task
[18:14] <hyperair> imo at least two of your screens would idle at any one point in time
[18:15] <hyperair> hence workspaces =p
[18:15] <CShadowRun> hyperair: well, the first 2 are for communication, so i can monitor up to 8 irc channels/conversations simultaneously, i rigged up pidgin to allow me to do this, http://uppix.net/1/4/4/eea3e8fb2a7f5d46c6893bccd541f.png
[18:15] <superm1> or you set up two systems with dual screen side by side and use either x2x or synergy
[18:16] <CShadowRun> superm1: i used to have a setup like that, but i don't really need 2 machines, it's a waste of power, and synergy is buggy and no longer supported.
[18:16] <CShadowRun> (synergy is arguably more buggy than separate X screens, come to think of it)
[18:16] <superm1> oh has the project died?  I used to love it
[18:16] <hyperair> CShadowRun: it's buggy?
[18:16] <CShadowRun> superm1: yup, 3 years ago
[18:16] <hyperair> i used to love it too
[18:16] <hyperair> aw damn =\
[18:16] <hyperair> synergy was awesome stuff
[18:16] <CShadowRun> hyperair: yea, clipboard drops out every 5 minutes for a start
[18:17] <CShadowRun> and i had alot of problems with it getting stuck
[18:17] <hyperair> that's serious.
[18:17] <hyperair> stuck? i never had any issues of that sort
[18:17] <hyperair> but i was using an older X server then
[18:17] <superm1> it forked i think: http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/
[18:17] <hyperair> well nowadays i really just stick my second computer's monitor into my laptop and let the other run headless.
[18:17] <CShadowRun> can't remember what else it did, i just remember it being frustrating
[18:18] <superm1> because the old project was unmaintained
[18:18] <CShadowRun> superm1: oh, nice :D
[18:18] <CShadowRun> synergy is back in the game then :D
[18:19] <hyperair> it lacks a decent enough full-featured UI though
[18:19] <hyperair> on linux platforms
[18:19] <superm1> you configure it once and leave it
[18:19] <hyperair> well yes
[18:19] <CShadowRun> yea that's meh, you just configure it and it's done
[18:19] <hyperair> but it requires you to learn the syntax of the config file to configure it
[18:19] <hyperair> not that it's hard
[18:19] <hyperair> but it's annoying for new users
[18:20] <hyperair> even if the interface wasn't exactly very nice in windows, it was full featured.
[18:20] <CShadowRun> heh, sharing your mouse between multiple computers should be off the wall
[18:20] <CShadowRun> it's not something people do everyday
[18:20] <hyperair> even so
[18:20] <CShadowRun> looks like synergy+ is solving the GUI problem anyway
[18:20] <hyperair> hmm
[18:20] <CShadowRun> "Our mission for 2009... Make a version of Synergy that has no major bugs, and a common GUI between Windows, Linux and Mac OS X which isn't a 3rd party download."
[18:21] <hyperair> ooh that's cool
[18:21] <CShadowRun> indeed it is, i'm impressed
[18:21] <hyperair> quicksynergy was somewhat okay for simple use-cases, but not full-featuered
[18:21] <CShadowRun> i shall start telling people to use synergy again :P
[18:21] <hyperair> featured*
[18:21] <hyperair> heh
[18:21] <CShadowRun> tempting to actually go down the separate computer route now, actually.
[18:21] <hyperair> heh
[18:22] <CShadowRun> but yea, uses for a quad screen system
[18:22] <hyperair> there isn't a single video card that supports four monitors, is there?
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[18:22] <CShadowRun> Nope, i have 2 8800GT in my box
[18:22] <hyperair> also, wasn't there something like xinerama that allowed using a whole lot of monitors?
[18:22] <superm1> don't some of the high end nvidia quadros?
[18:23] <hyperair> i remember seeing someone with a 4x2 setup
[18:23] <CShadowRun> superm1: yea but they are expensive, very expensive
[18:23] <CShadowRun> your talking $1000+
[18:23] <hyperair> like 4 monitors wide, 2 monitors tall
[18:23] <jcristau> hyperair: xinerama means no compiz.  CShadowRun seemed to want compiz :)
[18:23] <hyperair> ah
[18:23] <hyperair> i see
[18:23] <CShadowRun> hyperair: yea, that's with the newer graphics cards from ATI that have like 6 heads
[18:23] <CShadowRun> Yea, xinerama means no compiz
[18:23] <CShadowRun> since XGL was abandoned
[18:23] <CShadowRun> (whyyyyyy D:)
[18:23] <hyperair> can't xinerama be ported to support aiglx?
[18:24] <CShadowRun> I dunno, if it can that would be sweet
[18:24] <hyperair> i mean hey i saw a full screen game on all 4x2 monitors
[18:24] <CShadowRun> hyperair: yea, windows
[18:24] <hyperair> it was a rather interesting sight
[18:24] <hyperair> no, it was linux
[18:24] <superm1> no gui yes in synergy-plus.  they just ship a synergys and synergyc in the deb right now
[18:24] <hyperair> soemthing running on wine
[18:24] <superm1> *yet
[18:24] <hyperair> superm1: i see
[18:24] <CShadowRun> hyperair: opengl works in xinerama, it's composite that gets hijacked i think
[18:25] <hyperair> then that's a bug in xinerama isn't it?
[18:25] <jcristau> CShadowRun: yep
[18:25] <hyperair> and didn't xinerama get deprecated by xrandr or something? why?
[18:25] <CShadowRun> hyperair: not so much a bug, i think that's just how it works
[18:25] <hyperair> O_o
[18:25] <CShadowRun> hyperair: that's what i thought, but apparently not
[18:25] <hyperair> it got revived or something
[18:25] <CShadowRun> apparently xrandr is just for config, it doesn't actually do anything funky
[18:25] <hyperair> isit?
[18:26] <CShadowRun> that's what i'm getting
[18:26] <CShadowRun> xrandr, x resize and rotate
[18:26] <hyperair> @_@
[18:26] <CShadowRun> it resizes, it rotates...it does config
[18:26] <hyperair> but RandR is an extension for X isn't it
[18:26] <hyperair> or something
[18:26] <CShadowRun> The goal being unified configuration for monitors under all the drivers
[18:27] <hyperair> i see
[18:27] <CShadowRun> i guess
[18:27] <CShadowRun> i mean correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what i think it is
[18:27] <hyperair> hmm
[18:28] <jcristau>     /* Xinerama's rewriting of window drawing before Composite gets to it
[18:28] <jcristau>      * breaks Composite.
[18:28] <jcristau>      */
[18:28] <jcristau>     if (!noPanoramiXExtension)
[18:28] <jcristau>         return;
[18:28] <jcristau> that's in composite's init function
[18:28] <hyperair> i see
[18:28] <CShadowRun> i'm doing some googling for xinerama and aiglx...finding some interesting forum posts
[18:28] <hyperair> ?
[18:29] <CShadowRun> what's mergedfb?
[18:29] <CShadowRun> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1729434&postcount=3
[18:31] <CShadowRun> That post looks seriously interesting, i'mma get my laptop so i can stay on IRC, then i'll do some playing and see if i can get that to work
[18:31] <CShadowRun> If that does what it says on the tin all my problems are solved :D
[18:35] <CShadowRun> oh, it looks like it's intel only :(
[18:36] <hyperair> it's not intel only..
[18:37] <hyperair> rather it's i810 only i think
[18:37] <CShadowRun> ouch lol
[18:38] <CShadowRun> doesn't look like it will help me then
[18:42] <hyperair> heh
[18:43] <CShadowRun> so basically my problem seems to be the age old xinerama + composite = no
[18:43] <CShadowRun> tis what people need to fix ;)
[18:44] <hyperair> now go find someone interested enough to fix it =p
[18:44] <hyperair> or learn enough t odo it yourself =p
[18:45] <CShadowRun> who here isn't interested in quad screen compiz?
[18:45] <CShadowRun> hehe
[18:45]  * hyperair isn't really
[18:45] <CShadowRun> :o
[18:45] <hyperair> mostly because i only have one external monitor at my disposal
[18:45] <jcristau> i'm not interested in 1 screen compiz either, tbh
[18:45] <hyperair> lol
[18:45] <hyperair> why not?
[18:46] <jcristau> because i don't think it's useful?
[18:46] <hyperair> i can't live without my active screen corners
[18:47] <CShadowRun> heh, i'm thinking about switching wm myself
[18:47] <hyperair> shell anyone?
[18:47] <CShadowRun> Even if i did get compiz running under xinerama it wouldn't work great since it doesn't have xinerama based workspaces
[18:47] <hyperair> xinerama based workspaces?
[18:47] <CShadowRun> yea, one big 7680x1200 workspace doesn't work so well
[18:48] <CShadowRun> you need workspaces split by head
[18:48] <hyperair> ah
[18:48] <CShadowRun> i tried to explain this to the compiz people but they didn't seem to get it
[18:48] <CShadowRun> :(
[18:49] <hyperair> hmm compiz people.. i think Amaranth is our main compiz person here in ubuntu =p
[18:49] <CShadowRun> hehe
[18:49] <CShadowRun> also...seriously need fakexinerama at the login screen
[18:49] <CShadowRun> quad screen login screen is funny.
[18:50] <CShadowRun> got myself in xinerama, gonna try some games :)
[18:51] <hyperair> =O
[18:51] <CShadowRun> can put up a webcam stream if your interested
[18:51] <hyperair> not really
[18:51]  * hyperair should really be studying
[18:52] <CShadowRun> hehe
[18:52] <hyperair> at 2:52 AM. FML.
[18:53] <CShadowRun> haha
[23:53] <johanbr> Hi. Would it be possible to get the nouveau stuff in the xorg-edgers ppa updated, so that it doesn't remove grub2 ?


[17:28] <shendy> Hi, suddenly the borders of the windows disappeared, anyone have an idea or where to start troubleshooting the problem?


[23:32] <badcatalex> They don't even MENTION it on their site!
[23:32] <Razva> hey! how many servers can I join in a Ubuntu OpenStack cluster for free? I know that 2 years ago it was a 10 or 12 servers limit?
[23:33] <Razva> https://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack/autopilot < still 10 machines
[23:33] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: are you trying to setup a dialup internet connection or a modem peer-to-peer or make a voice phone call?
[23:34] <sybaWeb> next question: whats the go to program for storing things in an encrypted vrtual filesystem on a mounted (windows) drive?
[23:34] <badcatalex> Idk, what does the use of BBS client software count as?
[23:34] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: you need a dialup client then...
[23:34] <B105PH3RE> terminal dialing
[23:35] <B105PH3RE> one sec lets see what I can find for ya
[23:35] <badcatalex> Does SyncTERM count? It IS a BBS dialer
[23:35] <sybaWeb> Is this a tricky area now that truecrypt went ahoy?
[23:36] <gogeta> B105PH3RE, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[23:36] <B105PH3RE> ya thats good badcatalex
[23:36] <B105PH3RE> gogeta: I don't need the help badcatalex does :)
[23:36] <gogeta> B105PH3RE, you need to add them as modems drivers are not included
[23:36] <gogeta> oh
[23:36] <gogeta> badcatalex, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[23:36] <badcatalex> Thanks, I see that there's a page on Coeaxant Cards.
[23:37] <B105PH3RE> gogeta: HSF/HCF modem should already drivers built-in no?
[23:37] <gogeta> B105PH3RE, no modem drivers have been inculded in years
[23:37] <sybaWeb> B105PH3RE: thanks for the disk space help
[23:37] <gogeta> B105PH3RE, you have to install them but its easy
[23:38] <B105PH3RE> gogeta: then you can help badcatalex do it then :P
[23:38] <gogeta> the page i gave covers it :)
[23:38] <B105PH3RE> what modem dialers are including with ubuntu 16.04
[23:39] <gogeta> B105PH3RE, none you have to add one
[23:39] <B105PH3RE> sybaWeb: no problem
[23:39] <B105PH3RE> there's none available with the default repo's
[23:39] <badcatalex> The instructions are for Ubuntu 11.10. Will that matter?
[23:39] <B105PH3RE> not installed that is
[23:39] <gogeta> no
[23:39] <gogeta> same apps and steps
[23:42] <badcatalex> The instructions won't work
[23:43] <gogeta> badcatalex, why not
[23:43] <badcatalex> See here:  https://thepasteb.in/p/g5hP99g3gN7Ur
[23:44] <gogeta> badcatalex, links are dead nice
[23:45] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: is this a usb modem or internal?
[23:45] <B105PH3RE> sorry nvm its pci
[23:45] <B105PH3RE> haha
[23:46] <sybaWeb> what would you say is the most idiot proof way of setting up a virtual disk on an existing Windows drive, from a ubuntu live system?
[23:46] <sybaWeb> if possible
[23:48] <badcatalex> At this point, i'm this close: | | to giving up
[23:48] <yasgur99> register
[23:48] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: are you showing a /dev/modem ?
[23:48] <yasgur99> how do i register
[23:48] <badcatalex> ?
[23:48] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: try ls /dev/m*
[23:48] <gogeta> badcatalex, seem you only need gnome-ppp now
[23:48] <gogeta> seems
[23:49] <B105PH3RE> gogeta: he's trying to connec to a bbs not ppp internet
[23:50] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97242/how-to-send-at-commands-to-a-modem-in-linux
[23:50] <B105PH3RE> badcatalex: https://askubuntu.com/questions/192717/how-to-talk-to-usb-modem-in-linux
[23:50] <B105PH3RE> those two may shed some help for you
[23:51] <badcatalex> also, there seems to be no /dev/modem
[23:51] <badcatalex> and I still ned the modem's drivers
[23:51] <badcatalex> *need
[23:53] <badcatalex> Great, now how will I use BBSes on linux!
[23:54] <gogeta> badcatalex, type in there ip
[23:54] <gogeta> bad
[23:54] <gogeta> badcatalex, you dont need to dial them these days
[23:54] <badcatalex> I want to use the few dial-up ones that still exist
[23:55] <badcatalex> Plus, also to do a video on how modems work
[23:59] <badcatalex> There seems to be another way to compile the driver
[23:59] <badcatalex> Or not.
[23:59] <badcatalex> Is there another way?