[04:13] <wallyworld> StevenK: want another code review to do?
[04:13] <StevenK> wallyworld: No? :-)
[04:13] <wallyworld> StevenK: that's ok. i thought i'd offer it to you first
[04:13] <StevenK> Actually, let me ask a different question. "Do I have a choice?" :-)
[04:14] <StevenK> wallyworld: But yes, I'll take a look
[04:14] <wallyworld> StevenK: of course there's a choice :-) . want wasn't sure if you were still needed to do them as part of the metoring
[04:14] <wallyworld> StevenK: if you want :-) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/recipe-find-related-branches/+merge/42097
[04:15] <wallyworld> StevenK: feel free to pass if you want. i won't be offended :-)
[04:17] <StevenK> wallyworld: You mention a bug in the summary, but you don't link it to the branch? :-)
[04:20] <StevenK> wallyworld: I'm only surprised you have to kick the security proxy out of the way so much
[04:27] <wallyworld> StevenK: linked now
[04:28] <wallyworld> StevenK: what i found was that without removing the proxy, stuff would break when running the tests. can't recall the exact error now
[04:58] <StevenK> wallyworld: Perhaps this means the zcml should be tweaked instead of telling zope to get out of your way?
[04:59] <wallyworld> StevenK: yes, perhaps. i can take another look
[04:59] <StevenK> wallyworld: Anyway, +1'd, but that would be cool
[05:00] <wallyworld> StevenK: i guess, given in some places we need to removeSecurityProxy, i'm unsure what the guiding principals are as to when to go naked vs tweak zcml
[05:01] <wallyworld> thanks for the review btw
[11:45] <wgrant> adeuring: Can I throw a review your way?
[11:46] <adeuring> wgrant: sure; I'm currently reviewing an MP from EdwinGrubbs, but i'm nearly finished
[11:47] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-675621-packages-binary-scaling/+merge/42607 is the MP.
[12:03]  * adeuring needs to remember that C-Y does not paste stuff from the clipboard in most programs
[12:22] <adeuring> wgrant: r=me
[12:23] <wgrant> adeuring: Thanks!
[12:23] <wgrant> adeuring: Could you please throw it at EC2?
[12:23] <adeuring> wgrant: sure
[12:42] <gmb> adeuring: Howdy. Can I have a review for a fairly trivial JS branch? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/lazr-wizard-linkage/+merge/42616
[12:58] <adeuring> gmb: sure
[12:59] <gmb> Thanks
[13:15] <adeuring> gmb: r=me
[13:17] <gmb> adeuring: Thanks.
[13:32] <jtv> I was trying to get Stuart to review this, since he told me where to stick my new code, but it seems he's already gone: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-684669/+merge/42621
[13:53] <bac> hi adeuring.  much happening today?
[13:53] <adeuring> bac: well, three reviews so far
[13:53] <bac> adeuring: hopping!
[13:57] <bac> jtv: i'll look at it
[13:57] <jtv> thanks bac
[14:33] <bac> jtv: are there any tests where you could demonstrate this loggin?
[14:34] <jtv> bac: I could probably arrange for one.
[14:34] <jtv> Wasn't sure it was needed, since this will be exercised all the time anyway.
[14:35] <bac> have you shown it being exercised?
[14:54] <jtv> bac: hmm… writing a test for this is harder than I thought.  I demonstrated the debug output manually by running a script with -vvv but that'd be a bit of a splurge for testing something so basic.
[14:55] <jtv> I don't see any way to inject a fake database connection.  There may be a way to inject a fake logger, but I don't know how.
[14:56] <jtv> (But FWIW yes I did see it work and it was just the thing I wished I'd had so many times before)
[14:59] <bac> jtv: ok.  i just wanted to ensure it had been exercised at least a little, to ensure the formatting string gets populated correctly, no syntax errors, etc
[16:10] <jtv> bac: a very valid concern—I've had breakage in the past because of silly mistakes in composing exception messages.  Thanks.
[17:23] <EdwinGrubbs> adeuring: I added another test to the branch you reviewed, and I refactored the tests that you mentioned.
[17:23] <EdwinGrubbs> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-638924-milestone-page-eager-loading/+merge/42586
[17:24] <adeuring> EdwinGrubbs: cool -- though I think branch was fine before :) I'll have a look
[17:31] <adeuring> EdwinGrubbs: still r=me, just one minor nitpick
[17:32] <EdwinGrubbs> thanks


[11:12] <xnox> mwhudson:  i don't think we actually have any two same images, or meta packages, across any (arch X product) combos, and all of them have redundant things they don't want because of seeds.
[19:57] <mwhudson> xnox: so we should just give up and have one seed per image?
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> One seed per image? *laughs in Ubuntu Studio*


[00:42] <Lordy> does anyone know how to remove the date/clock from the top bar on 23.10?
[00:46] <Lordy> I assume it's some kind of dconf option maybe?
[00:51] <Lordy> nevermind, found a gnome extension to do it
[01:08] <kotgc> Hello
[01:08] <kotgc> how can I install Dash to Panel?
[01:09] <kotgc> I've tried so many things and it won't install?
[01:09] <kotgc> I've installed gnome extensions or shell.
[01:09] <kotgc> I've downloaded the Dash to Panel zip file.
[01:09] <kotgc> I've rebooted Ubuntu
[01:09] <JanC> AFAIK the default GUI in Ubuntu is a version of Dash to Panel?
[01:10] <kotgc> JanC, no, there's no option to move the Top Bar thingy into the Dock down the bottom...it wastes previous space and blocks dragging windows along monitors.
[01:11] <kotgc> The documentation doesn't help, just says how to use CLI to install gnome shell or extensions.
[01:11] <JanC> well, "a version of" means some sort of "fork" here
[01:11] <kotgc> Can't find a clear video guide on it, the install just works on videos but not on my Ubuntu.
[01:12] <kotgc> JanC, ok
[01:12] <kotgc> If I post this to Stack Exchange they'll downvote or delete the question.
[01:12] <kotgc> So trying chat.
[01:12] <kotgc> Think I
[01:13] <kotgc> Think I'll post to some friendly and useful ubuntu forums.
[01:13] <kotgc> Unbelievable how non UX friendly this install is?
[01:14] <kotgc> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
[01:17] <JanC> you'll probably have to uninstall/disable it for Dash-to-Panel to be able to take over, or start from a vanilla gnome session
[01:18] <kotgc> JanC, may I be clear in what 'it' is please, I'm so confused and overwhelmed now after reading the Encyclopaedia Britannica on this subject?
[01:19] <JanC> Ubuntu Dash (the dash-to-Panel fork)
[01:19] <JanC> but I don't think you can uninstall that easily in an Ubuntu Desktop session
[01:19] <JanC> maybe if you install 'vanilla-gnome-desktop' instead...
[01:19] <kotgc> JanC, I don't think Dash to Panel in installed...that's the challenge, I've spent 3 hours trying to install it...all I have is a downloaded zip file.
[01:20] <JanC> IIRC it automatically disables itself when Ubuntu Dash is there
[01:20] <kotgc> This file is downloaded dash-to-paneljderose9.github.com.v59.shell-extension.zip
[01:20] <kotgc> JanC, sorry I'm confused what 'it' relates to?
[01:21] <JanC> sorry "Ubuntu Dock" it's called
[01:21] <kotgc> My Chromium browser has GNOME Shell installed.
[01:21] <kotgc> JanC, ok
[01:22] <kotgc> So Ubuntu Dock has been moved by Ubuntu's Settings to the bottom and autohide.
[01:23] <kotgc> It's this superfluent Dash Panel thingy at the top of Ubuntu, taking up valuable monitor space and bumps windows when I drag them from monitor 1-3 and vice versa.  The top panel thingy needs to be merged into the Dock at the bottom.
[01:25] <JanC> oh, wait, it's not the extension I thought...
[01:28] <kotgc> JanC, yes, it's probably the driver, c'est moi.
[01:28] <kotgc> ID10T, PICNIC, PEBMAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_error#:~:text=Related%20terms%20such%20as%20PEBMAC,as%20slang%20in%20technical%20circles
[01:33] <JanC> kotgc: did you try installing it using the Gnome Extension Manager?
[01:34] <kotgc> JanC, I don't think so. The Dash-to-panel website says I've install GNOME Shell integration is running.
[01:34] <kotgc> For double measure I ran: sudo apt-get install chrome-gnome-shell
[01:35] <kotgc> sudo apt-get install gnome-browser-connector
[01:35] <kotgc> I did a reboot too
[01:36] <kotgc> Chrome extensions says: GNOME Shell extensions website Has access to this site
[01:38] <JanC> I just tried it in Ubuntu 22.04 & installing it just worked...
[01:39] <JanC> although it messed up a bunch of other extensions (which isn't entirely unexpected, I suppose)
[01:39] <kotgc> JanC, I'm happy for you, however I'm one of those 'things rarely 'just work' people.
[01:40] <JanC> maybe try installing through Extension Manager?
[01:44] <kotgc> Let me research what that is about.
[01:59] <kotgc> Ok, I found, installed and run this thingy called gnome-shell-extension-manager
[01:59] <kotgc> However the search has no results for 'Dash to Panel'?
[02:22] <itu>  hi
[02:23] <itu> i have an asus756 laptop
[02:23] <itu> booting 224 from stick, then keyboard is nearly dead
[02:23] <toddc> !details | itu
[02:24] <itu> only  / * - + and the ENTEr from the numberblock do react
[02:24] <itu> *22.4 ubuntu
[02:25] <toddc> itu: num lock on or off?
[02:26] <itu> does not react
[02:27] <itu> no key does react form the whole keyboard, except the mentioned from the number block
[02:27] <itu> (not even the numbers there)
[02:28] <toddc> I would boot a live usb and retest from a live session first to confirm a software issue
[02:29] <itu> it is a live boot
[02:29] <itu> there is a linx mint installed, working normal
[02:30] <itu> but i want to install 22.4 ubuntu
[02:30] <itu> the tty/hard terminal does not have the issue
[02:32] <toddc> stick around someone may have a better idea I did not see anything on a quick search that looked possible
[02:41] <itu> hm, using usb-keybord made it work , even after unplugging
[02:42] <makar> всем хой кто тут есть русский
[03:26] <itu>  using usb-keybord made it work , even after unplugging
[03:26] <itu>       \  but only one time
[03:28] <itu> then logging out-in in x-window made it work
[03:41] <cryptonector> what's the ubuntu equivalent of dracut?
[03:42] <rbox> what does dracut do
[03:45] <cryptonector> manage what happens in initramfs, I think?
[03:45] <cryptonector> like, if I wanted to hack on how my initramfs loads the keys for the ZFS rpool, where would I start?
[03:48] <rbox> you think?
[03:50] <rbox> there is /etc/initramfs-tools and /usr/share/initramfs-tools
[04:56] <cryptonector> thanks
[04:58] <testlinux> hi there. does setting net.ipv4.tcp_rmem/wmem increase download/upload speed when on a 5g/high speed network?
[06:02] <en1gma> if i do a fresh install of ubuntu 22.04.03 amd64 desktop is there a way to cleanly uninstall snaps and disable snaps forever without screwing the system up?
[06:04] <en1gma> im going to start learning to do android developement or maybe C/C+/C++ and im already worried about leaving a windows 11 enviroment so just want to make sure ubuntu will be fine for this without snaps or disableing snaps etc.. i was thinking about switching to debian but i been on ubuntu since it came out and really before that
[06:04] <rbox> what does doing development have to do with removing snaps?
[06:05] <en1gma> because i will be building / compiling and thats already sketchy sometimes. i dont need something else breaking other stuff
[06:06] <en1gma> ive read disabling snaps in ubuntu breaks stuff. thats why im here checking
[06:06] <rbox> huh?
[06:07] <en1gma> i will wait until someone can give me a proper answer that knows what im talking about i guess
[06:07] <rbox> rofl
[06:07] <en1gma> its really a simple question
[09:10] <maxzor> Hello, how can I get rid in apt of the ubuntu pro ads?
[09:16] <JackFrost> It comes from ubuntu-advantage-tools, so you can look around in the config of that I guess?
[09:16] <JackFrost> I solved with removal, but that removes other things you likely want.
[09:33] <ogra> maxzor, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq/34042
[09:53] <maxzor> ogra, there is no clear opt-out
[09:53] <maxzor> oh sorry RTFM
[09:54] <ogra> "Can I disable Ubuntu Pro notifications?"
[09:54] <ogra> (though you should really consider if you want that ... vs getting CVE fixes for universe)
[09:55] <maxzor> thank you
[10:16] <Angs> I have a ubuntu 22.04 based laptop. I installed a second ssd into it. is there any instruction what I need to do to add it into my system?
[10:16] <Angs> I can see it on gparted, do I need to create a partition table for it? What should be selected?
[10:19] <EriC^^> Angs: can you share 'sudo parted -ls' output on a pastebin?
[10:25] <Angs> Eric^^, thanks. Here it is https://paste.debian.net/1300402/
[10:27] <EriC^^> Angs: seems there's no partition table, you could use gparted to create a partition table and a partition and choose some filesystem
[10:28] <Angs> what partition option is correct for Ubuntu? Is it bsd or?
[10:28] <EriC^^> you can use gpt
[10:29] <Angs> thank you
[10:29] <EriC^^> no problem
[10:59] <jailbreak> Morning all...
[11:07] <TomyWork> should GLX work in snap jailmode?
[11:07] <TomyWork> cause I'm trying it and it doesn't
[11:09] <ogra> sure it should ... the opegl interface gives snaps full access to the hosts GL(X) stack
[11:10] <TomyWork> how do i disable jailmode, just to try it
[11:11] <TomyWork> and go back to strict confinement, which i believe was the default of this snap
[11:11] <ogra> jailmode is stict, i.e. you never need to specify it usually ...
[11:11] <ogra> for devmode you can refresh the snap with the --devmode option
[11:12] <ogra> that switches confinement into "complain mode" so you get logs but nothing is blocked
[11:13] <TomyWork> i originally installed the snap with --jailmode
[11:14] <TomyWork> cause i wanted stricter confinement. I want to see if relaxing that to whatever mode was the default would fix the glx issue
[11:17] <TomyWork> I got graphics-test-tools and that can detect the intel chip alright
[11:18] <TomyWork> ok I removed it and installed it with --jailmode and it still detects the intel chip. so maybe the application doesn't like the intel chip or there's another issue with the application :/
[11:24] <kceulemans> ji
[11:24] <kceulemans> hi
[11:33] <TomyWork> do I have to restart anything after changing /etc/drirc?
[11:33] <TomyWork> other than the application
[11:51] <TomyWork> does DRI work in snaps?
[11:52] <TomyWork> the application says "libGL error: did not find extension DRI_Mesa version 1"
[11:52] <jailbreak> TomyWork: what are you trying to achieve??
[11:53] <ogra> TomyWork, i dont think drirc is respected by snaps, what you see is likely an application problem ... what snap is that ?
[11:53] <ogra> (well, drirc might be respected but not /etc/drirc)
[11:55] <TomyWork> the "prismlauncher" snap (not searchable, but you can install it with --edge)
[11:55] <TomyWork> I'll try ~/.drirc
[11:57] <ogra> that wont work either ... dot files are invisible to snaps (for good reasons)
[11:57] <ogra> you could try to find env vars you can set instead
[11:58] <ogra> (btw, to see what the snap sees you can spawn a shell inside the snap apps env ... snap run --shell <snapname>.<appname>")
[11:58] <ogra> (if snap name and app name are identical you can omit <appname>)
[12:11] <TomyWork> permission denied on .drirc, yup
[12:11] <TomyWork> ah yes, cause I created it as root :D
[12:13] <TomyWork> however, my home isn't the snap's home
[12:24] <jailbreak> Still no idea what you're trying to achieve...
[12:27] <CosmicDJ> TomyWork: DRI should work in snaps, just look at the steam or openra snap
[12:28] <TomyWork> jailbreak, run minecraft via the prismlauncher snap
[12:29] <TomyWork> prism launcher is a popular 3rd-party minecraft launcher
[12:35] <CosmicDJ> TomyWork: the AppImage works fine on Ubuntu Mantic if you just want to play https://prismlauncher.org/download/linux/
[12:38] <TomyWork> i never used AppImage and I'm not on mantic. I'll try this again once I update to something more recent (which I plan to, soon)
[12:40] <TomyWork> my ubuntu version is probably just too old
[12:40] <CosmicDJ> TomyWork: running 22 LTS?
[12:40] <TomyWork> 18.04
[12:40] <CosmicDJ> that is quite old, yes
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:56] <Limestone> Hello
[13:04] <pickanick> Kubuntu 2204: When I run 'who', it lists three sessions that date to boot time: tty1 pts/0 pts/1 . Terminal windows have higher pts/N . What are tty1 pts/0 pts/1 ? I'm guessing tty1 is for the OS or the X session. One of the pts *maybe* for my desktop login session?  Are these guesses correct? What's the other pts?
[13:05] <ogra> TomyWork, the age of your host doesnt matter at all for snaps .. they are completely distinct from the host OS (it might matter for your minecraft version on the host, but otherwise you could even run 16.04 and should be fine)
[13:18] <TomyWork> but what else could it be then? I'm using the intel i915 driver according to lspci -vvv
[13:31] <ogra> TomyWork, you could install the snappy-debug snap, run it alongside when you start the snapped app and see if it has any suggestions
[13:31] <ogra> that would point out any issues with the snap confinement ...
[13:32] <ogra> if there are no issues, it might be a packaging bug and you should talk to the package maintainer, they might be missing something (i.e. an env var to point to the GL libs etc)
[14:45] <zetheroo> Does the Ubuntu Desktop installer create a swap file/partition by default?
[14:47] <ravage> i think it creates a swap file
[14:59] <boyet> I'm not sure if I did right by setting the CHARGE_CONTROL_LIMIT to 1000000 in power_supply.h in Ubuntu 20.04 to let my laptop trickle charge because after the change my laptop is no longer heating when it is charging.
[14:59] <zetheroo> Doesn't seem so from what I am seeing.
[14:59] <zetheroo> ravage: ^
[15:58] <Aghora> I'm on 22.04 but can't seem to figure out how to chare foilders with multiple users on the same computer.  Any tips what I'm looking to learn?  All I get are no permisson for attempts
[16:14] <Aghora> and i can't seem to type on this keyboard either apparently
[16:16] <paul424> Hello, hello, How do I connect the bloody iphone 14 to the ubuntu machine , so I can see the files in thunar or in the other file explorer
[16:16] <paul424> ? ? ?
[16:16] <Darktrick> is that even possible?
[16:17] <Darktrick> paul424, I set up an FTP and SMB server to transfer the files after spending a lot of time finding a more convenient alternative. But that was iOS 8 times.
[16:18] <paul424> :(
[16:26] <imi> Hi! Is there a log saved of the fsck being run as part of the boot process? Where can I find it?
[16:31] <JanC> paul424: I don't have an iPhone, but on Android phones you have to enable USB storage for that to work, sometimes even every time you connect
[16:31] <JanC> it's a setting on the phone
[16:32] <paul424> JanC, yeah android are way better , but we are unlucky , we have made the photos on bloody Androids
[16:33] <JanC> I mean, maybe iPhones also have a setting for this?
[16:33] <paul424> and stupid people keep buying Apple products , although they are incompatible with PC's and stuff
[16:33] <paul424> JanC, sure, but that 's only half of the job
[16:33] <JanC> ?
[16:34] <Aghora> I quit iPhones about 3 years ago because of they'
[16:34] <Aghora> their "choice" to not do what they wanted to and scan everyone's no longer encrypted text messages
[16:35] <paul424> JanC, it has setting for this , but It won't allow looking through the files instantly
[16:35] <Aghora> I refuse to beleive they wouldn't do that
[16:35] <Aghora> all I remember is how to put music on an iphone
[16:35] <Aghora> from a comp
[16:35] <paul424> Aghora, that does not save me
[16:36] <JanC> if the phone exposes the files over USB using either USB MSC (Mass Storage) or USB PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) it should work in Gvfs-based file managers AFAIK
[16:36] <paul424> Gvfs-based what are those ?
[16:37] <JanC> probably almost anything Gtk-based really
[16:37] <JanC> including Thunar (I assume)
[16:38] <JanC> and I think it should work in KDE file managers too?
[16:38] <ioria> Aghora, if you want to share a directory, you need to add users to the same group; chown that directory and give it read/write permissions, if is that what you want
[16:39] <JanC> in fact USB MSC should work in any file manager in linux
[16:39] <JanC> as that is just like an USB flash stick
[16:39] <JanC> or USB external disk
[16:41] <leuben> Hello everyone, I hope to be at the right to ask, I am trying to create a VM on Openstack using cloud-init and the following image : ubuntu-22.04-server-cloudimg-amd64 I see the following error and can't understand it: systemd-resolved[525]: Failed to listen on UDP socket <IP_ADDRESS>:53: Cannot assign requested address
[16:43] <leuben> I can't see such an issue using ubuntu 20.04
[16:44] <Aghora> Thank you ioria, I'll look into that
[16:45] <ogra> leuben, better try #ubuntu-sever ...
[16:46] <ogra> bah
[16:46] <ogra> #ubuntu-server
[16:46] <leuben> thank you
[16:49] <ioria> Aghora, don't forget to chgrp and chmod g+s the directory
[16:58] <ioria> Aghora, something like this : https://termbin.com/fl4o
[16:59] <Aghora> thank you ioria !
[17:00] <ioria> Aghora, but first you need to add users to the same group (in this example, the group name is 'user')
[17:07] <Werkstatt1-PC> hello
[17:22] <jsmooth> I'm trying to use a local testing server, but I'm getting Error: listen EADDRNOTAVAIL: address not available <IP_ADDRESS>:5173 when I try to start the server
[17:44] <anders5168> Hello, I a mmonth ago I helped a friend installing Kubuntu (with dual-boot with Windows 10) since a few weeks Windows dosesn't show up in grub any longer, the windows partition still shows up in Dolphin just fine, I already tried os-prober andu sudo update-grub but it doesn't seem to detect the windows partition any longer
[17:45] <anders5168> How can I solve this, and how do I prevent grub from overwriting the boot-entry ?
[17:58] <Paris> try boot repair
[17:59] <Paris> on a live USB UBUNTU sticj
[17:59] <Paris> there is a article on the website about it
[18:43] <knmae> halp
[18:43] <knmae> https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi/thank-you?version=22.04.3&architecture=desktop-arm64+raspi
[18:43] <knmae> not working
[18:44] <leftyfb> knmae: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/22.04.3/release/ubuntu-22.04.3-preinstalled-desktop-arm64+raspi.img.xz
[18:45] <leftyfb> knmae: there shouldn't be an issue with the link you posted either though. It works fine for me
[18:46] <knmae> i get: 503 Service Unavailable
[18:46] <knmae> No server is available to handle this request.
[18:47] <knmae> leftyfb: but that link seems to work
[18:48] <knmae> also some other links in ubuntu.com seemed to give the same 503 error
[18:49] <leftyfb> knmae: I would ask your network administrator or ISP.
[18:55] <preq> hi
[18:55] <preq> hi
[18:56] <knmae> it seemed to be a temporary issue because it works now :)
[20:13]  * dm2912 test
[20:14] <dm2912> grrrr lol
[20:20] <en1gma> im on ubuntu 22.04 amd64 desktop and when i try and 'cntrl+shift & drag' a folder to my desktop it is "Moving" the folder instead of creating a shortcut. how are we supposed to create a shortcut to a folder so it does not actually "move" the folder?
[20:22] <en1gma> ive been googling and even in a newer youtube video of a guy in 22.04 he does that and that clearly is not working correctly
[20:23] <en1gma> i have a "Photos" on my "D" drive and i want to create a desktop shortcut to that folder
[20:24] <en1gma> my ubuntu install is on my "C" drive
[20:25] <arraybolt3> That's generally done with symbolic links in Ubuntu. Just make a link to the Photos folder and plop it in ~/Desktop.
[20:26] <leftyfb> en1gma: first, linux has no concept of "C" and "D" drives. But if you're talking about different filesystems/mounts, then that's the issue. You can't create shortcuts to other filesystems using drag and drop
[20:28] <leftyfb> en1gma: what you can do is create the shortcut in the parent folder and then drag that shortcut to the desktop
[20:28] <en1gma> wow. after 20 years with linux its hard to believe it cannot create a txt file or a desktop shortcut. got to admit. that does not look good for the "average" user
[20:28] <en1gma> ahhh ok
[20:29] <en1gma> i live that solution but still. for the common windows user to come to linux/ubuntu i cant believe that is not solved yet
[20:29] <leftyfb> en1gma: you can create a txt or desktop shortcut just fine
[20:29] <leftyfb> just not using drag and drop across different filesystems
[20:30] <en1gma> ok ok. i get it i think and thank-you
[20:33] <en1gma> im still trying to do it. i dont think i got it yet. give me a few seconds here
[20:36] <en1gma> how to "create the shortcut in the parent folder"?
[20:36] <leftyfb> en1gma: what is the full path to the directory you want to make a shortcut to?
[20:38] <en1gma> i had to restart the laptop. it had a green badge on nautilus with a "1" in it and i couldnt find what that was going to.
[20:38] <en1gma> dang it still showing
[20:39] <en1gma> its a fresh install
[20:39] <leftyfb> en1gma: what is the full path to the directory you want to make a shortcut to?
[20:40] <en1gma> '/media/en11gma/Backup_Drive/Phone_Photos
[20:41] <en1gma> forgot the other "
[20:41] <en1gma> forgot the other " ' "
[20:41] <leftyfb> go into /media/en11gma/Backup_Drive and create the shortcut to "Phone_Photos" there
[20:41] <leftyfb> then drag that shortcut to your desktop
[20:46] <en1gma> duh
[20:46] <en1gma> how do you do it
[20:46] <leftyfb> I just told you
[20:46] <en1gma> you had already told me that exactly before
[20:47] <en1gma> do i give it a voice command?
[20:47] <en1gma> it dont show up in my right click menu and cntrl+shift+drag dont do it
[20:48] <en1gma> i figure you would give me the actual command since i typed it all out for you
[20:49] <en1gma> this is crazy to create a shortcut. makes me feel real dumb
[20:50] <leftyfb> en1gma: this "Backup_Drive" .. .what is it formatted as?
[20:50] <en1gma> ntfs
[20:51] <leftyfb> ok, then this method won't work
[20:51] <en1gma> i pulled it out when i installed ubuntu to the primary drive and after it was installed i hooked the drive back up
[20:51] <en1gma> so primary drive is ext4 and backup drive is ntfs
[20:52] <leftyfb> yep, won't work
[20:52] <leftyfb> well, my suggestion of first creating the shortcut on the parent directory
[20:52] <en1gma> told you i feel real stupid for not being able to create a shortcut. this is bad. real bad
[20:52] <en1gma> :)
[20:53] <leftyfb> en1gma: ln -s /media/en11gma/Backup_Drive/Phone_Photos ~/Desktop/Phone_Photos
[20:54] <en1gma> k let me give that a go.
[20:56] <en1gma> whoot!
[20:56] <en1gma> i think i will add that command to my list of other commands :) thanks
[20:57] <en1gma> do you know why nautilus icon has a badge with a 1 in it? i go in nautilus and i dont see anything that i need to click on.
[20:57] <en1gma> its not even open. its in the taskbar
[20:59] <en1gma> found it
[20:59] <leftyfb> en1gma: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1459762/what-do-the-red-numbers-on-the-gnome-files-dock-icon-mean
[20:59] <en1gma> i clicked the little bell at the top and it said it had one operation active but it didnt so i X it out and notification went away
[21:00] <en1gma> ok thanks. i was setting up the laptop for someone else. i just used my nick in the shortcut example. windows 11 wouldnt run on it but ubuntu is flying on it
[21:01] <en1gma> inspirion 3558 with i forgot which cpu but it has 16GB ram and a ssd for primary ubuntu install and 2.5" hdd slow ass drive
[21:06] <WeeBey98> Hmm. Have you guys heard of any crashes happening after the latest updates for 23.10 ?
[21:06] <WeeBey98> I just had two nasty crashes today.
[23:17] <bray90820> Would this script cause any problems on ubuntu versions running Pipewire
[23:17] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/iC3nj04W
[23:22] <bray90820> I'm using it to record internal audio from firefox
[23:23] <arraybolt3> I'm not on a version of Ubuntu that uses Pipewire yet. Do you know how to undo that script in the event it breaks anything?
[23:23] <arraybolt3> (I'm not really familiar with how pactl load-module works)
[23:25] <jeremy31> there is always pactl unload-module
[23:46] <bray90820> arraybolt3: Yes I just restart the computer and it's undone
[23:50] <arraybolt3> bray90820: What kind of problems would you be expecting it to cause? It sounds like you can just run it, see if it works, and if it doesn't (or if it works but causes issues elsewhere), just reboot and you're back to normal.
[23:51] <bray90820> I was wondering if it would cause any scratchy audio?
[23:52] <arraybolt3> That would be very difficult for any of us to say. Even if it didn't cause scratchy audio for us, it might cause it for you. Did you try it and now your audio is scratchy?
[23:53] <arraybolt3> (Personally if I were trying to capture audio from Firefox, I'd try to use Pipewire's builtin JACK server capabilities and just pipe the audio from Firefox into my audio recorder. I think that's possible.)
[23:57] <bray90820> Yes but is it a result of the script how could I figure that out?


[13:47] <tristenw> morning/afternoon everyone
[13:56] <balloons> howdy
[14:00] <balloons> morning everyone..
[14:00] <balloons> shall we begin?
[14:00] <balloons> #startmeeting QA community
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[14:00] <balloons> who all is about on this fine day?
[14:00] <tristenw>  YO
[14:01] <skaet> o/
[14:02]  * gema hides
[14:02] <balloons> hehe
[14:02] <balloons> alright, this meeting is mostly going to be about sharing plans and talking about goals for the cycle
[14:03] <balloons> We have no previous actions, so let's start with ubuntu
[14:03] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[14:04] <balloons> gema, would you care to start off and talk about your team's plans?
[14:04] <balloons> you don't need to worry about being exhaustive :-0
[14:04] <gema> hahaha, no worries
[14:04] <gema> I can summarize it quite neatly: we are going to improve automated testing
[14:05] <gema> how?
[14:05] <gema> well, we keep working on UTAH and will start using it in the lab soon
[14:05] <gema> we've improved the lab and installed a massive openstack, we are calling it QA Stack
[14:05] <gema> and we will be trying to convey all the test results and new testing we start doing more effectively
[14:06] <gema> by reporting results to the tracker as well
[14:06] <gema> we are also going to start having the team meetings on youtube
[14:06] <gema> just in case people are curious what we are up to
[14:06] <gema> g+ streaming to youtube
[14:07] <gema> and I have a suggestion to you nick, we could do the same with this meeting
[14:07] <gema> EOM
[14:07] <balloons> gema, thanks for the update.. So where might I get to see your meetings on youtube?
[14:08] <balloons> will you send a link out to the mailing list?
[14:08] <gema> balloons: I am talking to IS at the moment to get the whole thing set up
[14:08] <gema> balloons: I will let you know once it is up, I am not sure how it will look like
[14:08] <balloons> gotcha. Once you've trialed it out I'm open to ideas on doing the same on this meeting
[14:09] <gema> ack, will keep you posted
[14:09] <balloons> right now you would be seeing me and a puppy :-)
[14:09] <balloons> everyone loves puppies right?
[14:09] <gema> yes
[14:09] <tristenw> :)
[14:09] <balloons> :-)
[14:09] <gema> the nice thing about it is that people can join the hangout and drop when they finish talking
[14:09] <gema> and then the 10 people limit doesn't matter
[14:10] <gema> cos many can watch and whoever needs to talk can join
[14:10] <balloons> Ok, I guess I will also update before moving onto flavors. Does anyone have questions for gema before I give my speil?
[14:10] <gema> it's very cool
[14:11]  * gema goes to hide again
[14:11] <balloons> no questions? awesome. So on my end, I am still finalizing the last of the blueprints and decisions we made at UDS. I plan to blog once everything is complete. Should be sometime this week
[14:11] <balloons> However, here's a quick summary, of which I'm happy to take questions
[14:13] <balloons> I am remaining focused on manual testing this cycle -- and that is going to include iso, sru and application testing.
[14:14] <balloons> the feedback from UDS was to: improve the process, recognize contributors, avoid burnout
[14:15] <balloons> The biggest change is that we are going to use the isotracker software to handle running application testcases, sru's and do our testcase management
[14:16] <balloons> that should make everything easier. I'm going to continue and expand the adopt an iso program to ensure people are not getting burned out by having to do everything by themselves; especially at the increased cadence we would like to see. Also, we're focusing on ensuring our tests our meaningful and avoiding re-work
[14:18] <balloons> on the community front, I'm organizing a roundtable that we'll plan on doing once (perhaps twice?) a cycle to ensure we as a community (flavors teams, testing teams, etc) are all communicating and participating and helping each other as needed. As we learn best practices and create new tools, this will be an oppurtunity to share
[14:19] <balloons> we'll also be cleaning up and revitalizing a couple current launchpad teams to ensure membership is current and the folks are active.
[14:20] <balloons> I think that's hitting most of the high points.. There are other things we will look to accomplish, and I'm always open to ideas, so as ever feel free to contact me
[14:20] <balloons> any questions for me?
[14:21] <cesilko> has this membership confirmation been done in the past too?
[14:21] <balloons> cesilko, what do you mean membership confirmation?
[14:22] <balloons> you mean with the launchpad team cleanup?
[14:22] <cesilko> you said that you want to assure that folks are active
[14:22] <balloons> yes. Many launchpad teams have an expiration policy to ensure teams stay current and relevant
[14:22] <cesilko> I apologize if this is a dumb question, I am kind of a newbie here :)
[14:22] <balloons> no no -- great question
[14:23] <cesilko> okay, thanks for the answer
[14:23] <tristenw> I am curious as well, I know there was a drawn out discussion in the mail list
[14:23] <balloons> the idea is once a cycle (or whenever we wish), folks would be asked to click a link to renew membership in the team
[14:24] <cesilko> makes sense, great
[14:24] <balloons> people will come and go, and we want to make sure people on the team want to be on the team and are actively participating
[14:24] <cesilko> exactly, we do it too @ NetBeans
[14:24] <gema> balloons: just expire us all and wait until we come to you begging ;)
[14:26] <balloons> Ohh, I should also mention on the recognition front. I want to do a few things. First off, I want to make sure we as a community recognize each other's work. I think we are fairly successful at this. Secondly, I want to provide some swag, enhanced responsibility/opportunity for folks who demonstrate good work. This could mean getting some hardware to help test (if they don't have access to it), etc. Also, I want to clarify and help anyone who is
[14:26] <balloons>  contributing but is not a ubuntu member know that there QA contributions can be reognized towards membership
[14:27] <balloons> I myself am applying for membership, so if there are any ubuntu members who can speak for me, I would appreciate comments on my wiki page :-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/balloons
[14:28] <balloons> so yea.. LOTS of opportunities this cycle.. I could type and type, but I will move on to flavor updates :-)
[14:29] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[14:29] <balloons> ok, I know several flavors couldn't make it today
[14:29] <balloons> so I'll just call each one and see who is here
[14:29] <balloons> Xubuntu?
[14:30] <balloons> Kubuntu?
[14:30] <balloons> Lubuntu?
[14:31] <ScottK> Hello
[14:31] <balloons> Hi ScottK :-)
[14:31] <ScottK> Yesterday we uploaded KDE SC 4.8.3 to precise-proposed.
[14:31] <ScottK> That'll be a QA focus for us and we'd love to have more testers.
[14:31] <ScottK> ..
[14:32] <balloons> ScottK, the best way to get involved with kubuntu qa is to vist the #kubuntu channel yes?
[14:32] <ScottK> balloons: #kubuntu-devel.
[14:32] <ScottK> #kubuntu is user support.
[14:32] <balloons> ahh yes, sorry :-0
[14:32] <ScottK> We handle QA on the dev channel.
[14:32] <ScottK> No problem.
[14:32] <ScottK> It's still building, so don't go try to install it this very minute.
[14:33] <balloons> Any plans for the cycle surrounding QA? Any changes to testing ideas, iso testing, etc?
[14:33] <ScottK> I wasn't at UDS, so I'm not sure.
[14:33] <balloons> one of the things discussed at UDS was testcases for flavors
[14:33] <balloons> meaning writing the tests with the flavors in mind, and not using the generic ubuntu testcases.. not sure if kubuntu was going to pursue that or not
[14:33] <ScottK> I've found when doing ISO testing that I can figure out what I should test for Kubuntu based on the Ubuntu test case.
[14:34] <ScottK> Personally I'd expect it to be more work than it was worth.
[14:34] <ScottK> (I didn't discuss it with anyone thoug)
[14:34] <balloons> ScottK, gotcha. Thanks for the update
[14:34] <ScottK> h
[14:34] <balloons> don't worry we're not holding you to speaking for all of kubuntu :-0
[14:35] <balloons> ok, how's about edubuntu?
[14:36] <ScottK> Maybe adding a footnote or two to the existing Ubuntu test cases would do it.
[14:36] <ScottK> That'd be a lot less maintenance work, but still help out where people might be confused.
[14:36] <ScottK> Just a thought.
[14:37] <balloons> ScottK, well you would be able to clone the existing tests.. Something to talk about and think about over the cycle
[14:37] <ScottK> Right, but once it's cloned, then if the Ubuntu test gets updated, someone has to import the change into the Kubuntu test case.
[14:37] <balloons> yep,
[14:38] <ScottK> That's the maintenance burden that worries me.
[14:38] <ScottK> It'd be way smoother if we could do it without having to fork the test case.
[14:38] <gema> balloons: maybe we could tag test cases as to which flavours they apply
[14:38] <balloons> yes, it's something you will have to maintain
[14:38] <gema> balloons: that way the flavors that can actually use the test cases as is do not need to worry about the maintenance burden
[14:39] <gema> not me, the community
[14:39] <gema> we are talking manual testing, right?
[14:39] <balloons> gema, I'm not sure what you mean persay.. as of right now you get a link
[14:39] <balloons> you mean the testcase can apply to multiple flavors?
[14:39] <balloons> it's that way now
[14:39] <gema> now it is like that because it happens to be
[14:40] <gema> we could make it explicit, and therefore manageable
[14:40] <gema> we could tag the test cases as applicable to ubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu studio , for instance
[14:40] <gema> and that test case will be one to take into account for those flavors in particular
[14:41] <gema> balloons: this is a burden on stgraber, because it is more implementation
[14:41] <gema> that's all
[14:41] <balloons> can you remember and bring it up next week when meeting with stgraber ?
[14:41] <gema> yes
[14:41] <balloons> thanks
[14:41] <balloons> ok, finally let's try and see if ubuntu studio has anyone about?
[14:41] <balloons> and then we can close out this topic
[14:43] <balloons> ok, great.
[14:43] <balloons> moving on
[14:43] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topcis
[14:43] <balloons> my fat fingers.. :-)
[14:44] <balloons> basically, this is open to anything anyone wishes to discuss.. let me know and the floor is yours.
[14:44] <tristenw> !
[14:44] <balloons> yes tristenw go ahead
[14:44] <tristenw> I'm looking to switch from a testing perspective to coding, I just need someone to mentor me a little
[14:44] <tristenw> have python background already
[14:45] <balloons> tristenw, hehe.. do you like web programming and/or have messed with django?
[14:45] <tristenw> haven't no
[14:45] <balloons> If so, there's oppurtunities to help develop tools we as a QA community use
[14:45] <skaet> o/
[14:45] <tristenw> could learn I guess though
[14:45] <balloons> If your focusing on wanting to learn desktop apps, I can put you in touch with some folks on that end as well
[14:46] <tristenw> that would be superb, and I'll start working on django too
[14:46] <balloons> tristenw, send me an email afterwards and I'll get you hooked up
[14:46] <tristenw> k
[14:46] <balloons> yes skaet , go ahead
[14:47] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:47] <balloons> and thank you tristenw :-)
[14:47] <tristenw> yw
[14:47] <skaet> draft is getting pretty close to finalized now.
[14:47] <balloons> skaet, ahh yes.. good point to mention
[14:47] <skaet> if anyone has concerns about it,   email to ubuntu-release maillist.   :)
[14:48] <balloons> So if everyone has a look, you'll notice we have a column on that schedule
[14:48] <skaet> balloons,  actually thats:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock  :)
[14:48] <balloons> ohh.. you didn't send the big sheet link
[14:49] <skaet> I just pasted the master schedule first.    Now you've got the link to the "big one"  :)
[14:49] <balloons> skaet, thanks
[14:49] <balloons> so yes, please have a look. As a community, we're looking to perform the tasks and work in that community testing column
[14:50]  * skaet nods
[14:50] <balloons> basically we want to help ensure things are smooth before milestones, and before isotesting events. We want a lighter workload, with more people testing.. but there is more being asked of us this cycle
[14:52] <balloons> ok, anything else?
[14:52] <balloons> any questions or comments on the schedule? I'll open a thread on the ml about it also so everyone gets a chance to see it
[14:53] <balloons> if not, thanks for coming out everyone and we're done! :-)
[14:53] <skaet> thanks!  :)
[14:53] <tristenw> bye :)
[14:53] <balloons> #endmeeting
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[14:53] <cesilko> I have one more question if I can but it's not schedule related.
[14:53] <balloons> cesilko, sure
[14:54] <cesilko> Does Ubuntu have purely date driven releases or is there a minimal release criteria that must be satisfied before new version is shipped?
[14:54] <cesilko> Imagine that a day prior the planned release a true showstopper is found. What happens then?
[14:55] <cesilko> Is there a Wiki describing that?
[14:55] <cesilko> I didn't find one. :|
[14:57] <balloons> cesilko, there is release criteria indeed
[14:58] <balloons> the release team is the best folks to ask for more information about that
[14:59] <balloons> joining #ubuntu-release is probably not a bad place to ask.. I hope :-)
[14:59] <balloons> but let me find you some wiki pages
[14:59] <cesilko> okay, I will turn to #ubuntu-release then
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:02]  * ogra_ moos
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology`> Meeting started Wed May 23 15:02:26 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox)
[15:02] <slangasek> barry jodh infinity xnox ev cjwatson bdmurray ogra slangasek stgraber doko
[15:02]  * barry wins!
[15:02] <barry> syncs: twisted, python-testtools, python-defer, subunit, dbus-python. reviewed py3 branch for testresource.  started working on bug 1000801 (lazr.restfulclient port). started porting wsgi-intercept. reviewed glatzor's py3 branch for software-properties.  patch pilot: reviewed xnox's python-couchdb merge, bkerensa's fix for bug 962974, takluyver's py3 python-tz branch (merged & uploaded), bug 1002861 (sync'd canto). dmb meeting.  todo:
[15:02] <barry> return to porting the lazr.restfulclient stack.  done.
[15:02] <slangasek> er, wait
[15:02] <slangasek> stokachu: are you here?
[15:03] <barry> too late :)
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:03] <slangasek> jodh bdmurray ev xnox stgraber doko ogra infinity stokachu barry slangasek cjwatson
[15:03] <slangasek> new order ;)
[15:03]  * barry loses
[15:03] <slangasek> barry: you'll just have to go twice ;)
[15:03] <jodh> * [misc/planning]: fleshed out work items (and sizings) for 7 blueprints.
[15:03] <jodh> * [boot/upstart]:
[15:03] <jodh>   - wrote spec for stateful re-exec (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/QuantalUpstartStatefulReexec)
[15:03] <jodh>   - evaluated a number of JSON libraries.
[15:03] <jodh>   - wrote a basic JSON test prog to validate a fragment of the expected
[15:03] <jodh>     JSON schema.
[15:03] <jodh>   - started work on stateful re-exec.
[15:03] <jodh>   - NIH blog post.
[15:03] <jodh>   - drafted an Upstart blog post on logging.
[15:03] <jodh> ㄆ
[15:03]  * infinity wakes up.
[15:04] <bdmurray> modified apport to set importance of python tracebacks to Medium
[15:04] <bdmurray> modified apport to carry over release tags from duplicates to the master bug
[15:04] <bdmurray> wrote and ran launchpadlib code to copy tags over from duplicate apport-crash bug reports
[15:04] <bdmurray> apport branch to block 'not a debian format' archive bug reporting
[15:04] <bdmurray> put checks for corrupt packages for package install failures in apport instead of having apt check
[15:04] <bdmurray> update-manager merge for the fix to bug 999890
[15:04] <barry> slangasek: oh, i get it: new order <- joy division <- warsaw
[15:04] <bdmurray> wrote lplib code to delete update-manager clone attachments due to security issue
[15:04] <bdmurray> modified bug bot to remove bad attachments from update-manager reported bugs
[15:04] <slangasek> hah
[15:04] <bdmurray> modified bug bot to write to a log file for easier auditing of work done
[15:04] <bdmurray> modified search-bugs in bugpatterns to show count of duplicates for the master bug
[15:04] <bdmurray> modified lp-grab-attachments to have a --descriptions option
[15:04] <bdmurray> updating firefox-lp-improvements with the new version of lp_work_item_editor
[15:04] <bdmurray> arsenal branch to create a report of bug task with the most duplicates
[15:04] <mvo> \o/
[15:04] <bdmurray> wrote a bugpattern for ubiquity bug 998492
[15:04] <bdmurray> added a11y opportunity to harvest-data
[15:04] <bdmurray> moved harvest opportunity creation scripts from ubuntu-qa-tools to harvest-data
[15:04] <bdmurray> review of package install failures due to /etc/default/grub modifications gone bad
[15:05] <bdmurray> done‼
[15:05] <infinity> bdmurray: That seemed out of order. :P
[15:06] <infinity> - worked on organising and tidying specs
[15:06] <infinity> - spent a lot of time looking into armel/armhf toolchain woes
[15:06] <infinity> - spent even more time looking into nscd/netgroups bugs
[15:06] <infinity> ...
[15:06] <infinity> ^-- Remarkably short this week.
[15:06] <bdmurray> infinity: I was following the new order
[15:06] <xnox> infinity: you are out of order =)
[15:06] <infinity> bdmurray: Oh, I completely missed the new new order.
[15:06] <ogra_> infinity, i added a WI for you to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-drop-preinst-images
[15:07] <ogra_> (just for tracking purposes)
[15:07]  * infinity isn't all here today.
[15:08]  * xnox looks for ev
[15:08] <ogra_> xnox, just move :)
[15:08] <slangasek> ev:
[15:08] <xnox> software-raid:
[15:08] <xnox> * collaborating with kees on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReliableRaid/History
[15:08] <xnox> * already from above, prepared some udev fixes for mdadm bug 957494 bug 968074 bug 1002357, pending sponsorship
[15:08] <xnox> * establishing access to bare metal machines in the QA lab
[15:08] <xnox> * ordered external quad HDD housing for RAID testing, being shipped from china
[15:08] <xnox> * next step to establish RAID Architecture Specification
[15:08] <xnox> ubiquity-lvm-luks:
[15:08] <xnox> * added workitems to the blueprint
[15:08] <xnox> * discussing requirements/roadmap/first steps with stakeholders
[15:08] <xnox> * next step to start building/modifying ubiquity
[15:08] <xnox> python-versions:
[15:08] <xnox> * tracker deployed at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/onlypy3oncd.html
[15:08] <xnox> * next step finish up local py3 branch for apparmor
[15:09] <xnox> bug 968074
[15:09] <barry> xnox: thanks for the tracker!
[15:09] <xnox> bug 1002357
[15:09] <jdstrand> xnox: you are doing the python3 porting for apparmor?
[15:09] <slangasek> ev: you're not here
[15:09] <slangasek> xnox:
[15:10] <xnox> jdstrand: well, i did a little work (there isn't much tbh) spotted a few things that were not bi-lingual
[15:10] <xnox> py2/py3
[15:10] <xnox> jdstrand: are you doing it as well?
[15:10] <jdstrand> xnox: ok, feel free to takl to me after the meeting
[15:10] <xnox> ok
[15:10] <jdstrand> xnox: we have work items for it, yes
[15:11] <slangasek> xnox: did you give up on getting access to the lab machines for HD testing, then?
[15:11] <jdstrand> xnox: I might also mention that ufw is actively being ported
[15:11] <barry> jdstrand: nice
[15:12]  * jdstrand has a work item for that
[15:12] <xnox> slangasek: I got VPN today, but don't have access to any machines behind the VPN yet. I still one both. Lab for automatic, local for troubleshooting/personal dogfooding
[15:12] <slangasek> xnox: ok
[15:12] <xnox> s/one/want/
[15:13] <slangasek> stgraber:
[15:13] <stgraber> Short week, was off on Monday:
[15:13] <stgraber> - Networking
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Spent some time testing candidates SRU for an IPv6 bug in Network Manager
[15:13] <stgraber> - SRU
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Verification testing of nagios-nrpe and lxc
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Started preparing the next lxc SRU
[15:13] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Reworked the lxc-ubuntu template to be much easier to maintain
[15:14] <slangasek> (then no doko, so ogra_ next)
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Worked with Serge on API design for liblxc, worked on the initial structure of the python binding
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Fixed some races in lxc-start-ephemeral, made it consistently call sudo and dropped the separate
[15:14] <stgraber>    and complex lxc-ip for a simple call to the new "ip netns" instead
[15:14] <stgraber> - ISO tracker
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Continued the work to get qa-q-isotracker-testcases implemented, all of the backend work is done
[15:14] <stgraber>    and most of the frontend work nears completion, there's some admin UI work left and API update
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Migration code works fine, result can be seen at http://iso.qa.dev.stgraber.org
[15:14] <stgraber>    If you don't see anything, that's fine, the idea was not to loose any history data and have the new cool
[15:14] <stgraber>    stuff show up only for the new products.
[15:14] <stgraber> - Other
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Drafted and sent all my specs for review
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Patch pilot on Friday
[15:14] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Push an LXC SRU, cherry-picking the important fixes from the recent quantal uploads
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Get enough of the ISO tracker work done so that QA can test it and work on smaller changes
[15:14] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:14] <ogra_> phew
[15:14] <ogra_> done:
[15:14] <ogra_> * ascension day on thu.
[15:14] <ogra_> * filled WIs on foundations-q-embedded-rootfs, foundations-q-hwpack-integration and added two items to foundations-q-drop-preinst-images
[15:14] <ogra_>   (for tracking purpose only)
[15:14] <ogra_> * finally MoM is back, worked on merges
[15:14] <ogra_> * started looking into the gcc-4.7 FTBFS list on debian (on request from doko)
[15:15] <ogra_> todo:
[15:15] <ogra_> * more merges
[15:15] <ogra_> * more FTBFS
[15:15] <ogra_> * start looking into the armhf image situation in preparation for A1
[15:15] <ogra_> (fells so small to go after stgraber)
[15:15] <ogra_> ..
[15:16] <stgraber> ogra_: you're just better at summarizing it ;)
[15:16] <ogra_> haha
[15:16] <slangasek> stokachu: here?
[15:16] <slangasek> stokachu: no worries if not
[15:17]  * xnox the new new order is broken, we need an SRU
[15:17] <infinity> Yeah, I have to figure out how to expand more too. :P
[15:17] <slangasek> looks like that makes it my turn
[15:17] <infinity> Or just mention every single AA, SRU, etc task.
[15:17] <ogra_> lets hire a ghostwriter ;)
[15:17] <slangasek>  * fixing up update-notifier SRU, apparently our translators are too efficient and translate things that shouldn't be (bug #1003100)
[15:17] <slangasek>  * pushed a bug report to plymouth in Debian, requesting a backport for an API mountall needs
[15:17] <slangasek>  * mountall bug triage in preparation for uploading to Debian
[15:17] <slangasek> * SRU processing generally
[15:17] <slangasek>  * sponsored sudo merge, and uploaded pkexec (bug #982684)
[15:17] <slangasek>  * ia32-libs SRU for bug #1000541
[15:17] <slangasek> cjwatson:
[15:17] <slangasek>  * getting things organized for DebConf
[15:17] <slangasek> (done)
[15:18] <cjwatson> Uploaded ubiquity Python 3 port.  Fixed some resulting breakage (decoding Unicode at wrong point).
[15:18] <cjwatson> Landed per-packageset build scoring.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Started work on allowing per-pocket archive permissions.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Verified dh-make SRU.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Uploaded ubuntu-keyring with new archive and cdimage signing keys.  Needs SRUs.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Resurrected merges.ubuntu.com, with help from IS.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Lots of merges.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Fixed stale files being left behind in ftpmaster's germinate output directory.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Arranged for buildd admins to be able to adjust per-archive build scoring (pending deployment).
[15:18] <cjwatson> Moved Ubuntu-specific publishing hooks out of Launchpad, in preparation for upgrading them to use the new archive signing key for >=quantal.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Made a couple of live-installer improvements requested by the server team.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Various adjustments to cope with recent kernel flavour renamings.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Removed "Essential: yes" from python-minimal.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Merged xdeb staged-bootstrap patch.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Opened main vs. universe discussion with kubuntu-devel (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-May/006080.html).
[15:18] <cjwatson> Gave Daviey some basic archive admin training.
[15:18] <cjwatson> ☕
[15:19] <ogra_> is that a coffepot or something else that generates steam ?
[15:19] <cjwatson> U+2615 HOT BEVERAGE
[15:19] <ogra_> ah
[15:19] <ogra_> so not what my initial thought was then :)
[15:19]  * xnox ogra_: there is scribe team for ghostwritting ;-) hot beverage! I want an iced tea ;-)
[15:20] <cjwatson> infinity: FYI the per-archive scoring will basically be:
[15:20] <cjwatson> archive = whatever
[15:20] <cjwatson> archive.relative_build_score  # fetch attribute to work around bug 662740
[15:20] <infinity> cjwatson: I was actually more interested in the bullet point about finally dropping python-minimal out of Essential. \o/
[15:20] <cjwatson> archive.relative_build_score = whatever
[15:20] <cjwatson> archive.lp_save()
[15:21] <cjwatson> infinity: it's still in prio required though ;)
[15:21] <infinity> Oh.
[15:21] <infinity> Less excited.
[15:21] <slangasek> ogra_: pile of poo is a different unicode character
[15:21] <cjwatson> Though I guess dpkg won't complain if you remove it.
[15:22] <ogra_> slangasek, heh, yeah, but its small enough to misread it in my xchat :)
[15:22] <slangasek> bug #820034
[15:23] <slangasek> any more questions about any of the above?
[15:23] <ogra_> *grin*
[15:23] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:23]  * ogra_ likes the elegant aspect in that bug :)
[15:24] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything showing up yet to worry about for 12.10?
[15:24] <bdmurray> slangasek: no not yet
[15:25] <slangasek> there are a few bugs jibel's been escalating to us based on the auto-tests... I need to pin down this debootstrap one today
[15:25] <cjwatson> I'm about to look at bug 1003443
[15:25]  * slangasek nods
[15:25] <cjwatson> May be an HD fault as the error suggests, but might as well check
[15:26] <slangasek> right
[15:26] <cjwatson> And I'm just fixing bug 1003440 now
[15:26] <slangasek> the debootstrap bug is bug #1001460
[15:26] <slangasek> which I still have no idea how that's happening :P
[15:26] <cjwatson> Have you had a chance to compare against a /var/log/bootstrap.log for precise?
[15:26] <slangasek> (hints accepted, if someone knows)
[15:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: hmm, no, good idea
[15:27] <cjwatson> The one I have to hand shows makedev successfully running insserv, so not just the set +e => -e thing I pointed out
[15:27] <cjwatson> But that dates from 2011-12-20
[15:27] <cjwatson> Aha
[15:27] <slangasek> successfully *running* insserv?
[15:28] <cjwatson> Here's one from 2012-03-20:
[15:28] <cjwatson> Selecting previously unselected package makedev.
[15:28] <cjwatson> Unpacking makedev (from .../makedev_2.3.1-89ubuntu2_all.deb) ...
[15:28] <cjwatson> update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
[15:28] <cjwatson> Can't exec "insserv": No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/update-rc.d line 402.
[15:28] <cjwatson> update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
[15:28] <slangasek> hmm
[15:28] <cjwatson> So this was happening in precise too and it's just the -e change
[15:28] <slangasek> ah
[15:28] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[15:28] <ogra_> didnt stokachu fix that in latest insserv
[15:28] <cjwatson> There's proximate cause for you, not so much with the root cause
[15:28] <slangasek> I'll fix sysvinit then :)
[15:28] <slangasek> ogra_: what he fixed was to make insserv disappear from the path because third-parties mistook it for an interface
[15:29] <ogra_> ah
[15:29]  * ogra_ just remembered something update-rc.d from precise
[15:29] <ogra_> +related
[15:29] <slangasek> so anyway, yeah, I should be able to work it out from there - thanks cjwatson
[15:30] <infinity> Robbie seems to have some valid points on the bug ~6h ago.
[15:30] <infinity> Robie, even.  Silly people and their lack of Bs.
[15:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything on the 12.04.1 front?
[15:30] <slangasek> stgraber: or anything you know about for 12.04.1 that you need help with?
[15:30] <cjwatson> There are a lot of these kinds of loops in the base system
[15:31] <bdmurray> slangasek: not much their either yet
[15:31] <cjwatson> But yeah, possibly
[15:31] <stgraber> slangasek: not at this time. I've been looking at the pending SRUs, trying to get them through quickly, but most of my time is currently going on trying to have the iso tracker work done ASAP
[15:31] <stgraber> (so I can then focus more on 12.04.1)
[15:31] <slangasek> ok
[15:32] <slangasek> (I guess that includes the "iso" tracker work that gives us a framework for SRU verifications?)
[15:34] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Blueprints
[15:34] <slangasek> not much to say on my side... but figured I'd bring up the topic in case anyone has concerns to discuss
[15:34] <slangasek> hopefully the drafting is all done by now
[15:35] <slangasek> (anyone not done with drafting?)
[15:35] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah
[15:35] <stgraber> slangasek: (that yeah applies to the part about framework for SRU verification)
[15:35]  * slangasek nods
[15:35] <xnox> hardware-notifications needs drafting still on my side.
[15:35]  * xnox sorry.
[15:36] <ogra_> depends where you draw the line
[15:36] <ogra_> i still need pretty wikipages
[15:36] <ogra_> Wis are there
[15:36] <slangasek> xnox: 'sok
[15:36] <jodh> I've drafted the work items, but some can't be broken down into <= 2 day chunks without spending quite some time on the design and I'm not even sure we're planning to do some of them, so...
[15:36] <slangasek> ogra_: WIs are a good start, as that gives us pretty graphs :)
[15:36] <ogra_> :)
[15:36] <cjwatson> with the exception of the server installer bits, I think I'm pretty much done
[15:37] <slangasek> ok
[15:37] <slangasek> sounds like we're in pretty good shape overall then
[15:38] <slangasek> jodh: that's still ok for this point in the cycle, don't worry about it - and yes, we'll drill down into the question of which ones to do
[15:38] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:38] <jodh> slangasek: ok, thanks!
[15:38] <slangasek> Anything else to discuss?
[15:38] <bdmurray> I'm out next monday
[15:38] <barry> next monday is a usa holiday
[15:38] <slangasek> yep
[15:38] <jodh> should we discuss the "on hold" music for next time? ;)
[15:38] <ogra_> arent most of us ?
[15:38] <slangasek> so I'm out too next Monday
[15:39] <ogra_> german holiday too
[15:39] <slangasek> !
[15:39] <slangasek> why does Germany get TWO holidays in May
[15:39] <infinity> I'm in Hong Kong next week.
[15:39] <slangasek> so not fair
[15:39] <ogra_> slangasek, merkel
[15:39] <slangasek> haha
[15:39]  * xnox uk has Queens jubilee the week after a believe or something
[15:40]  * barry fondly remembers mlk day and presidents day :)
[15:40] <slangasek> barry: I remember them being in a crappy season ;)
[15:40] <barry> :-D
[15:40] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology`> Meeting ended Wed May 23 15:40:37 2012 UTC.
[15:40] <meetingology`> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-23-15.02.moin.txt
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[15:40] <slangasek> ok, thanks everyone!
[15:40] <ogra_> thanks
[15:40] <barry> thanks!
[15:41] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:41] <jodh> thanks!
[15:41] <xnox> How is this useful? http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-23-15.02.html
[15:42] <xnox> ok it has links to topics
[15:42] <ogra_> and would list the actions if we would use that part
[15:42] <slangasek> xnox: heh, that's more useful than it used to be IMHO
[15:42] <slangasek> it used to just be a copy of the log :)
[15:43] <xnox> can we start 'sub-topics' of the lighting round? =)
[15:43] <xnox> per-person.
[15:43] <xnox> anyway thank you everyone =)
[15:43]  * xnox 0/
[15:43] <ogra_> xnox, you could just read the ubunut-release ML ... that gets a summray of every team on fridays
[15:44] <ogra_> *summary
[20:00]  * MrChrisDruif wonders if the Lubuntu team will have their meeting tonight
[20:00] <jmarsden|work> #startmeeting
[20:00] <meetingology`> Meeting started Wed May 23 20:00:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is jmarsden|work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:00] <jmarsden|work> Let's see who is here :)
[20:00] <kanliot> hi
[20:01] <will_> hi
[20:01]  * MrChrisDruif lurks
[20:01] <jmarsden|work> OK, this may be a short meeting...
[20:02] <jmarsden|work> #topic Review of Action Items from Last Meeting
[20:02] <jmarsden|work> Prevous meeting is logged at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20120516
[20:03] <jmarsden|work> StevenSmallty is not here, so we don't know status of his action items.
[20:03] <kanliot> ok
[20:03] <jmarsden|work> I failed to email the list about wiki champion volunteers, I think, but kanliot volunteered.
[20:03] <kanliot> it's not smalty
[20:03] <jmarsden|work> Right, typo :)
[20:04] <jmarsden|work> *StevenSmally
[20:04] <jmarsden|work> So, kanliot, are you willing and able to coordinate wiki changes from now onwards?
[20:04] <kanliot> yeah
[20:05] <kanliot> sorry for short answer
[20:05] <jmarsden|work> OK.  I don't think we have enough people here for a very "convincing" vote, if you see what I mean, but I propose that we give you that role.  Is there any info or specific things you need from MrChrisDruif to take over this responsibility?
[20:06] <kanliot> can't think of anything
[20:06] <kanliot> besides chris has been very helpful
[20:06] <jmarsden|work> OK, good -- feel free to get to work :)
[20:06] <kanliot> not like i have to twist his arm or anything
[20:06] <jmarsden|work> Understood.
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> I remain a member of the docs team, so any questions on how to change this or if needs be removing/redirecting can still be asked
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> this=things
[20:07] <jmarsden|work> Good, thanks MrChrisDruif -- it is always helpful to have smooth friendly transfers of responsibilities
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> o7
[20:08] <jmarsden|work> we've had some governance discussion recently but we are not ready for any specific proposals at this point, as I understand it.
[20:09] <kanliot> ya
[20:09] <jmarsden|work> OK... any other items we should be discussing here?
[20:10] <jmarsden|work> OK... none heard.  Don't forget to look at the blueprint for our work towards 12.10 and see how you can help move any of those work items forward.
[20:11] <jmarsden|work> Thanks all!
[20:11] <kanliot> ty
[20:11] <jmarsden|work> #endmeeting
[20:11] <meetingology`> Meeting ended Wed May 23 20:11:11 2012 UTC.
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[20:11] <will_> That was fast :)
[20:11] <kanliot> yeah maybe i should have reported more
[20:11] <kanliot> lol
[20:11] <jmarsden|work> will_: Indeed, may be a new record for the shortest Lubuntu meeting :)
[20:13] <Unit193> Sorry I missed a good deal of it. :/
[22:45] <s-fox> Hey cariboo907 :-)
[22:45] <cariboo907> good day s-fox
[22:45] <s-fox> How ate
[22:46] <s-fox> How are you cariboo907 ?
[22:46] <cariboo907> good, I just finished putting up a gazebo on the deck :)
[22:47] <s-fox> I just got back cariboo907 , just pocked a nice packet against my former pool team >:)
[22:57] <s-fox> Here bodhi_zazen , cariboo907  nothingspecial and co
[22:57] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[22:57] <cariboo907> what app are you using for irc on your tablet s-fox ?
[22:57] <s-fox> i switched from iPhone to mac cariboo907
[22:58] <s-fox> i am using colloquy
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone here for the FC meeting ?
[22:59] <nothingspecial> o/
[22:59] <Iowan> o/
[22:59] <coffeecat> o/
[22:59] <moergaes> o/
[22:59] <sandyd> me here for my memership
[22:59] <quackers> o/
[22:59] <CharlesA> o/
[22:59] <cariboo907> o/
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[23:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed May 23 23:00:09 2012 UTC.  The chair is bodhi_zazen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> Light schedule this month ;)
[23:00] <s-fox> yay
[23:01] <Iowan> +1
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] ARchiving Forums
[23:01] <s-fox> thanks again bodhi_zazen for chairing this meeting
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> Did we ever come up with a policy for this ?
[23:01] <s-fox> o/
[23:01] <cariboo907> I think we are still discussing it, some are for it  and some are against
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to discuss this and determine if we can come to a consensus ?
[23:03] <s-fox> Does anyone object to archiving seriously old posts?
[23:03] <CharlesA> Not I.
[23:03] <s-fox> very black and white, but just to punt it out there
[23:04] <cariboo907> nope, I thought we decide on two year old threads, but I may be wrong
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> No, I think we should archive posts / threads which have become inactive for what __ months ?
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> 6-12 ?
[23:04] <CharlesA> +1
[23:04] <Iowan> Someone will object - but that someone is not me...
[23:04] <CharlesA> 12 months seems reasonable imho
[23:04] <s-fox> i would like to cover lts bodhi_zazen
[23:04] <cariboo907> In the +1 forum they expect it every 6 months :)
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]Archive threads inactive for > 12 months , every 6 months (in sync with release cycles)
[23:04] <meetingology> Please vote on: Archive threads inactive for > 12 months , every 6 months (in sync with release cycles)
[23:04] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:04] <CharlesA> heheh
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:05] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:05] <cariboo907> +1
[23:05] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[23:05] <CharlesA> +1
[23:05] <meetingology> +1 received from CharlesA
[23:05] <s-fox> -1
[23:05] <meetingology> -1 received from s-fox
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> LTS is not static though s-fox
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[23:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Archive threads inactive for > 12 months , every 6 months (in sync with release cycles)
[23:05] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
[23:05] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:05] <Iowan> +0
[23:05] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  how many fc members are here?
[23:05] <Iowan> o/
[23:05] <coffeecat> o/
[23:05] <s-fox> o/
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> o/
[23:05] <cariboo907> o/
[23:06] <s-fox> 5 ?
[23:06] <CharlesA> Oopsie
[23:06] <s-fox> okay :) just checking
[23:06] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on archiving ?
[23:06] <s-fox> can you elaborate on lts bodhi_zazen ?
[23:06] <s-fox> i don't mind the 12 moths, but stuff relevant for lts should not be archived
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> Well, even though LTS is supported for longer, some things get fixed
[23:07] <cariboo907> 12.04 is supported for 5 years
[23:07] <nothingspecial> I'm with s-fox on this one
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> So it seems reasonable to have the same policy - If a thread is inactive -> archive
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> it is still readable
[23:07] <s-fox> forgive me but what is "inactive" ?
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> And after a year, who knows if it is still a problem or not
[23:07] <cariboo907> +1 for even an LTS thread being archived if inactive
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> Inactive means no new posts
[23:08] <s-fox> a black and white answer would be great
[23:08] <s-fox> from when to when ?
[23:08] <cariboo907> no posts for 6 months?
[23:08] <s-fox> 6 , 12, 18 months/
[23:08] <s-fox> ?
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> From now (time of searcing data base ) - 12 months
[23:08] <s-fox> i do not mind guidelines, providing they are clear :)
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> 12 seems to be the consensus
[23:09] <cariboo907> +1 for 12
[23:09] <s-fox> is the fc happy with 12?
[23:09] <s-fox> +1
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> So every 6 months we archive threads with no posts for the last 12 months
[23:09] <Iowan> 12 months from first post - or last?
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> last
[23:10] <Iowan> should help w/ necromancy...
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> So a thread that was last posted on 8 months ago would not be archived now, but probably will be 6 months from now
[23:10] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  suggest we move on ;)
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New theme
[23:11] <s-fox> yay technoviking
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> Technoviking has been working hard on the new theme
[23:11] <CharlesA> \o/
[23:11] <nothingspecial> +1
[23:11] <cariboo907> +1 to yay TV
[23:11]  * Iowan likes
[23:11] <coffeecat> +1
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> It is still in development, so send suggestions to
[23:11]  * s-fox is okay with it since font fix for non ubuntu users
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1981875
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on theme ?
[23:12] <CharlesA> It still looks odd on an XP box with no Ubuntu font installed, but it looks ok.
[23:12] <CharlesA> IMHO at least
[23:12]  * bodhi_zazen would still like a dark theme
[23:12] <CharlesA> SAme bodhi_zazen
[23:12] <s-fox> i know i played devils advocate, but felt i had to. so sorry if tv felt frustrated by lack of perceived support. i tried to be contructive with irc chats with him
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> It is a big chunk of code and AFIK too many cooks ...
[23:13] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  +1
[23:13] <CharlesA> yep, unfortunately
[23:13] <s-fox> to dark theme
[23:13] <Iowan> i's evolving nicely
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977732
[23:14] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Wiki team
[23:14] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone here from the wiki team ?
[23:14] <wildmanne39> o/
[23:14] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11959014&postcount=49
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> I just wanted to thank all the members of the wiki team, it is a great working group
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> #ubuntu-wiki is now logged
[23:15] <s-fox> shame hobgoblin is not here , he has been working really hard at making it work
[23:15] <nothingspecial> +1 thanks elfy
[23:15] <wildmanne39> nice
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> And we will start with askubuntu once the team gets any additional kinks worked out
[23:15] <s-fox> +1
[23:16] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments for wiki team ?
[23:16] <cariboo907> the only complaint I have, is that bodhi_zazen 's script doesn't work well on heavily formatted posts
[23:16] <nothingspecial> Please people join
[23:16] <s-fox> +0 askubuntu, that sayd i gave support in previous months but not really got involved ;)
[23:16] <nothingspecial> it is a n easy way to start contributing to Ubuntu
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: anything in particular that can be scripted ?
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> let me know
[23:17] <s-fox> cariboo907:  perhaps the script could be refined ?
[23:17] <cariboo907> I'll look at it again, but this was a special case I think.
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> but yes, some of the posts on the forums are works of art, and as they are not all uniform, outliers are not going to script
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://bodhizazen.net/tweaks/ubforums2ubwiki.sh.txt
[23:18] <cariboo907> is that the same as last week, as I have a copy here?
[23:18] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  while i remember, i have a small item that is not on the agenda atm. i would like to get some consensus from my fellow council members
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: you can always PM me a link and I will look at it
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> no changes in last week cariboo907
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> what topic s-fox ?
[23:19] <s-fox> i also have general message to the forum community which i would like to relay
[23:19] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  spam bans on automated welcome email
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]General Message
[23:20] <s-fox> may i speak bodhi_zazen ?
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> yes, please s-fox
[23:20] <s-fox> I would just like to publicaly thank everyone for their support in my application for a seat on the ubuntu membership board, it was really touching to see everyone commenting positive things

[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[23:21] <nothingspecial> \o/
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> When is the board going to be selected ?
[23:21]  * JonEdney claps
[23:21] <moergaes> Most der
[23:21] <s-fox> i thought i might get 3 or 4 +1's. i am at over 20
[23:21] <moergaes> deserved
[23:21] <s-fox> it has been incredible
[23:22] <s-fox> hey moergaes  :)
[23:22] <sandyd> good job :)
[23:23] <moergaes> s-fox: Hey!
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New Staff
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> I have to apologize for this, I know we talked about it ...
[23:24] <s-fox> +1 on adding, but tz specific. i don't think we are suffering in europe or usa. i think asia / oz needs more on board
[23:24] <bodhi_zazen> but I sort of got cold feet, I am not sure we have enough UFMembers yet for an election process
[23:24] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  i have some good candidates, but none are uf members
[23:24] <bodhi_zazen> So I am going to suggest we add 2 or 3 now, and look at 12.10 release for possible electiosn
[23:24] <s-fox> bureaucracy appears to be winning
[23:25] <s-fox> which i am not for
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> We can discuss candidates later
[23:25] <s-fox> hey overdrank  :)
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo overdrank =)
[23:25] <Iowan> o/
[23:25] <overdrank> Sorry I am late and hey s-fox
[23:25] <JonEdney> question!
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> Is it on topic JonEdney ?
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> then ask
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> Otherwise wait for open floor
[23:26] <JonEdney> Thank you.  Is there a link or any reading on what you are expecting from a staff member?  I'm interested.
[23:26] <s-fox> JonEdney:  you mean a criteria ?
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> Good point, but no we do not have one
[23:26] <JonEdney> Yes.
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> Generally they have to have thick skin, it is all fun and games until the trolling starts, and staff have big targets painted on their avatars
[23:27] <JonEdney> Okay, no worries.  I will help where I can, and go from there in the future.
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> They have to be Ubuntu Forums Members
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> So that sort of covers the kind / helpful / active on the forums part
[23:28] <s-fox> JonEdney:  i personally would expect a level of maturity , an active account on the forums and of course established forums community member
[23:28] <s-fox> but that is just me and may not reflect the entire fc
[23:28] <JonEdney> Of course.  Thank you for the information. :)  Carry on.
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> personally , at least aware of IRC helps
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> again, not necessarily reflective of entire FC
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> What do you want to do next ?
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> New members or open floor ?
[23:29] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  how about the dev sub forum ?
[23:29] <s-fox> mhall119:  are you around  ?
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Application development forum
[23:30] <s-fox> i relayed some of the staff concerns on the topiic, mhall119  was going to provide answers :)
[23:30] <s-fox> heard nothing since
[23:31] <overdrank> I did not see this on the agenda so I am lost
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK, well if mhall119 comes in later we can probably take action, otherwise a reminder e-mail ?
[23:31] <s-fox> +1 email reminder
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> overdrank: nope, did not get added to agenda
[23:31] <s-fox> overdrank:  i posted in the scc thread about my actions
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK, so new members or open floor ?
[23:31] <Iowan> members
[23:31] <cariboo907> new members I would think
[23:31] <overdrank> Ok s-fox will search :)
[23:32] <s-fox> +1 new members :)
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New Members
[23:32] <s-fox> overdrank:  i will relay a link if you like
[23:32] <overdrank> Its ok I will find :)
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=404
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> roffiscoder you here ?
[23:32] <s-fox> +1 to all except the one we discussed ;\0
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> roffisserver does not meet criteria, not active on the forums long enough
[23:33] <s-fox> +1 bodhi_zazen
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to vote on that , ir just take action ?
[23:34] <s-fox> i thought member had been pm'd
[23:34] <coffeecat> Yes - my pm exchange: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1976954
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]roffiscoder to come back after contributing to community
[23:34] <meetingology> Please vote on: roffiscoder to come back after contributing to community
[23:34] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:34] <cariboo907> That's what I thought too
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:34] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:34] <Iowan> 1
[23:34] <s-fox> +1
[23:34] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:34] <overdrank> +1
[23:34] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:34] <Iowan> +1
[23:34] <cariboo907> +1
[23:34] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[23:34] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[23:34] <coffeecat> +1
[23:34] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[23:34] <meetingology> Voting ended on: roffiscoder to come back after contributing to community
[23:34] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:34] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> OK
[23:34] <s-fox> boom :)
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> Primefalcon you here ?
[23:35] <s-fox> guess not
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone wish to speak for Primefalcon ?
[23:35] <s-fox> i kept out of the discussion thread, as per my obligation as a fc member and having a valid vote
[23:35] <s-fox> but generally i am +1
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]Primefalcon for membership
[23:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: Primefalcon for membership
[23:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> 0
[23:36] <meetingology> 0 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:36] <s-fox> +1
[23:36] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:36] <cariboo907> 0
[23:36] <overdrank> +1
[23:36] <meetingology> 0 received from cariboo907
[23:36] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:36] <coffeecat> 0
[23:36] <meetingology> 0 received from coffeecat
[23:36] <Iowan> +1
[23:36] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[23:36] <s-fox>   hmm, lots of neutrals
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[23:36] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Primefalcon for membership
[23:36] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3
[23:36] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:37] <s-fox> that surely is a tie
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> you have to -1 to tie
[23:37] <coffeecat> s-fox, no. An abstention is an abstention.
[23:37] <s-fox> :)
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> 0 and +1 carries vote
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> hakermania here ?
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone wish to speak for hakermania ?
[23:38] <s-fox> guess not
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]hakermania for membership ?
[23:39] <s-fox> vote bodhi_zazen  ?
[23:39] <meetingology> Please vote on: hakermania for membership ?
[23:39] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:39] <s-fox> +1
[23:39] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> +0
[23:39] <meetingology> +0 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:39] <overdrank> +1
[23:39] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:39] <cariboo907> 0
[23:39] <Iowan> +1
[23:39] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[23:39] <meetingology> 0 received from cariboo907
[23:39] <coffeecat> +1
[23:39] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[23:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: hakermania for membership ?
[23:39] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
[23:39] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> OK, and sandyd could not make it
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> sandyd: ping - sorry for the "dad joke" there
[23:40] <cariboo907> I thought I saw her log on earlier
[23:40] <sandyd> here
[23:40] <Iowan> WAS here!
[23:40] <s-fox> hello sandyd  :)
[23:40] <sandyd> s-fox: hi :)
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone wish to say a few words in support of sandyd ?
[23:41] <s-fox> does +1 count? ;)
[23:41] <Iowan> Is it necessasry? :)
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] sandyd for membership
[23:42] <meetingology> Please vote on: sandyd for membership
[23:42] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:42] <nothingspecial> goes without saying
[23:42] <overdrank> +1
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> no, but it is sort of nice if they show up
[23:42] <s-fox> +1 yes, no doubt
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 yes, no doubt received from s-fox
[23:42] <cariboo907> +1
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:42] <Iowan> +1
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[23:42] <coffeecat> +1
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[23:42] <Iowan> can I vote twice?
[23:42] <overdrank> +1
[23:42] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[23:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: sandyd for membership
[23:42] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:42] <sandyd> THANKS! :)
[23:42] <matt_symes> Congrats sandyd
[23:42] <cariboo907> congrats sandyd
[23:42] <overdrank> Congrats sandyd
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Division of labor
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> congrats sandyd
[23:43] <cariboo907> who did what last month?
[23:43] <s-fox> i have an item
[23:43] <overdrank> Is spam banning enough labor
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> OK anyone want to volunteer for stuff this month ?
[23:43] <s-fox> ^ bodhi_zazen
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: I have not been tracking, lol
[23:44] <s-fox> i could do with advice from fc, re: spam ban on welcome email
[23:44] <coffeecat> I'll volunteer for ML. About time I learnt the ropes.
[23:44] <Iowan> What needs vollunteered (that I can't mess up?) :)
[23:44] <cariboo907> I'll do the welcome message, if s-fox doesn't want to
[23:44] <bodhi_zazen> s-fox: can it wait for open floor ?
[23:44] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  sure, but providing not forgotten :)
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> I am looking for my list, lol
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> 1. Mailing list -
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> 2. Froums - Admin thread and RC
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> 3. Monthly report
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> 4. Membership
[23:46] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: s-fox: I'm here now
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> OK mhall119
[23:46]  * s-fox wants membership
[23:46]  * bodhi_zazen puts coffeecat for ML
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> s-fox for membership
[23:46] <cariboo907> I'll give the monthly report a try, as last month s-fox did it before I could even have a look :)
[23:47]  * s-fox was so bad ;)
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> OK, thanks
[23:47] <overdrank> 2 for overdrank ?
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] dev forums
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: you are up
[23:47] <mhall119> I was just here to answer any questions or concerns the FC had about our request for a new App Developer forum
[23:48] <mhall119> s-fox: do you still have that list?
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> Did you get the email from s-fox ?
[23:48] <mhall119> let me find it
[23:48] <s-fox> mhall119:  not right now no, sorry
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: two issues I recall
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> moderators ?
[23:49] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: dpm and I will moderate, and we will recruit someone from the ARB and possibly consumer apps as well
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> Staff can help, of course, but we were sort of hoping you had 1 or 2 willing to help set the tone and establish the forums, answer questions as they come up, be active on in the forums
[23:50] <mhall119> we discussed with the ARB during UDS, and they were positive about it
[23:50] <mhall119> dpm and I will take the lead on moderation
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> OK, can you send that to the FC mailing list , with forums accounts names =)
[23:50] <mhall119> I don't know about dpm, I'm most likely mhall119
[23:50] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  i recall licensing and not posting support questions on the forum as being issues that needed answers for
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> The rest of us can help with daily tasks, trolling / spam
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> Second issue, I just wanted licensing to be clear
[23:51] <moergaes> What is ARB?
[23:51] <mhall119> ARB is the app review board, they review and approve FLOSS apps that are submitted through developer.ubuntu.com
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> From time to time we get people who want to delete posts, argue over ownership of content ...
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> With app development, having a clear policy on ideas / code posted ...
[23:52] <moergaes> thanks
[23:52] <mhall119> you mean people posting code snippets that they don't have permission to post?
[23:52] <mhall119> that kind of thing?
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> We need to consider how to manage potential feuds over who posted what , who modified the code ... etc
[23:53] <mhall119> how is that handled in the other forums?
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> Developer A posts code A
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> Developer B then modifies code
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> Dev A & B then start feuding over licensing issues ...
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> Forums posts are covered by CC
[23:54] <mhall119> ok, so wouldn't that also apply to this new forum?  Anything you post is CC
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> All public forum data is released under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License and should be attributed to The Ubuntu Forums (ubuntuforums.org).
[23:55]  * s-fox is big on tc  / policy issues
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> Do you all want such attribution to be added to code ?
[23:55]  * s-fox is bored enough to read them thoroughly ;)
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> Or a policy all code is GPL unless noted ?
[23:56] <mhall119> I don't imagine there will be a significant amount of code posted, mostly example snippets or "why isn't this working???" kind
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> Yea, but a clear policy for when problems arise need to be in place
[23:56] <mhall119> if we're going to assign a code license, I'd rather something more liberal
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> Judging from previous spats
[23:56] <s-fox> forums posts are creative commons arbitration 3 bodhi_zazen , just to add another spin :)
[23:57] <mhall119> let me check with others on the code licensing concern, as it's not really my strong suit
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: OK, so yes, we need to assign a code license , if not it would be CC v3
[23:57] <mhall119> but I'd rather see apache or bsd style
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> sounds great
[23:57] <s-fox> cc v3 +! bodhi_zazen
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> some people feud about policy, lol
[23:58] <mhall119> CC v3 might even be enough, for the small amount of code I imagine being posted
[23:58] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen:  have you ever seen me feud?
[23:58] <s-fox> ;)
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> The "works for us", so long as it works for you, I think checking is reasonable
[23:58]  * bodhi_zazen pleads the 5th
[23:58] <overdrank> seing double
[23:59] <mhall119> I remember their being a question about using AskUbuntu for support questions


[03:12] <kyubutsu> refresh topic
[11:47] <njin> Hello guys
[11:50] <njin> please triage this: bug 500658 thanks
[11:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 500658 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Pointer stuck in upper-left corner while using touchpad on the upper left corner in emachines 2350 (affects: 4) (heat: 22)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500658
[14:24] <rusivi> njin: Took a quick look at bug 500658, it has been triaged as it has an importance of "Low".
[14:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 500658 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Pointer stuck in upper-left corner while using touchpad on the upper left corner in emachines 2350 (affects: 4) (heat: 22)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500658
[15:53] <ari-tczew> Daniel0108: why you convert merge request meta-gnome2 into question?
[17:08] <warren_> can someone tell me how to update the kernal in 10.10
[17:09] <warren_> can someone tell me how to update the kernal in 10.10
[17:10] <commandoline> warren_: I think you should be at the #ubuntu channel.
[17:10] <warren_> ya i am no ones helping me
[17:10] <warren_> :(
[17:13] <charlie-tca> warren_: for testing the mainline/upstream kernel?
[17:16] <warren_> the main
[17:17] <warren_> well cuz i notice my 10.10 is kinda buggy so i thought if i update the kernal it will be much more stable
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Might be, but since 10.10 is the latest stable kernel, it might make it worse
[17:19] <charlie-tca> anyway, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[17:19] <warren_> ok
[17:22] <warren_> well im recompiling it now should i do that or no
[17:23] <charlie-tca> I would read the above link, it explains how to install it
[17:26] <kklimonda>  /b #launchpad
[17:28] <warren_> ok hx
[17:28] <warren_> thx
[17:48] <njin> hello, my seahorse isn't working, bug 674944 could you verify. Thanks
[17:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 674944 in seahorse (Ubuntu) "seahorse hang with many errors (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674944
[21:39] <bcurtiswx_> the rhythmbox plugin to empathy, causing empathy to provide an error message.. would that be against rhythmbox or empathy?
[21:39] <bcurtiswx_> i would think rhythmbox
[21:40] <devildante> bcurtiswx_: I'd think rhythmbox
[21:40] <bcurtiswx_> devildante, OK