[20:54] <harrec[m]> I'm having a couple weird issues. My touchpad click stops working randomly. Cursor and scroll continue to work, it's only click that stops. I thought maybe it was tied to suspension or screen lock but no, that doesn't seem to be the case. modprobe -r psmouse | modprobe psmouse don't fix the issue either.
[20:54] <harrec[m]> And now, ctrl-alt-t isn't opening terminal, thought it was before I restarted, to get my mouseclick working again
[20:57] <harrec[m]> Opening Shortcuts and messing around with the settings (but not ultimately changing anything) seems to have fixed opening Terminal. I noticed shortcuts to disable touchpad also, I made sure those were disabled altogether just in case that was my issue.
[20:59] <harrec[m]> I do notice when my click stops working, it seems to be stuck in mouse-click-down mode on whatever screen I'm in. If I'm in a browser, moving the cursor around, moves the text selection/highlight around as if I'm holding click down.
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> That's odd - I've had similar problems on Windows that usually required that I reboot it or fiddle around with it to make it work again - I think it's a hardware issue if you're experiencing it on Linux too.
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> harrec: ^
[21:21] <harrec[m]> Well, I've used Win10 on this laptop for about a year now with no issues. And well, I've been on UbuntuStudio for a couple weeks without issues. It just popped up yesterday and persists into today. I also had a lot of updates yesterday that wouldn't auto-upgrade. I had to upgrade each of them manually with apt install.
[21:22] <arraybolt3[m]> harrec: For the upgrade problem, you might just need to do "sudo apt full-upgrade" rather than just "sudo apt upgrade".
[21:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's also quite a bit of KDE Plasma glitches and bugfixes that might get resolved by adding the Kubuntu Backports repository via "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports".
[21:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Some of which might be keyboard shortcuts.
[21:27] <harrec[m]> 343 upgrades available! woowee
[21:27] <harrec[m]> Thanks I'll give this a shot
[21:27] <arraybolt3[m]> harrec: BACK UP IMPORTANT DATA
[21:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (I've had that PPA backfire a couple of times - it may have just been something weird on my end, but I'd keep a backup juuust in case. :P)
[21:28] <harrec[m]> Yeah I've still got my backup from when I migrated from Windows, nothing new since then
[21:28] <harrec[m]> Thanks for the heads up
[21:28] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[21:28] <harrec[m]> I don't remember if I tried full-upgrade or not, I think someone on askubuntu had recommended against that in case there were conflicting depends?
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> I've had zero problems with full-upgrades - I only ever use full upgrades since a usual upgrade can leave a lot of packages un-updated.
[21:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Seems like a silly thing to recommend against in my opinion.
[21:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> The package management system is pretty smart about not removing things you need.
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think there's something that can go wrong in certain server setups with a full-upgrade and you'd just use upgrade in those scenarios or something like that, but I've never hit a problem, and if it's about to blow up, it will tell you before nuking everything and you'll have a chance to back out.)
[21:46] <harrec[m]> Well, somewhere in the middle of that upgrade it happened again
[21:46] <harrec[m]> Anything I can do to troubleshoot it while it's happening?
[21:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> What was the error?
[21:53] <harrec[m]> The click not working
[21:53] <harrec[m]> I have cursor movement but no click
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Weird.
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sounds like a hardware issue.
[21:54] <harrec[m]> It acts like it's stuck "clicked"
[21:54] <harrec[m]> It was fine for the past year before installing Ubuntustudio
[21:55] <harrec[m]> Well but to be fair, it worked fine for the previous week too, so I can't rule out hardware
[21:55] <harrec[m]> Oh.
[21:55] <harrec[m]> -_-'
[21:55] <harrec[m]> i just grabbed my little wireless mouse out of my travel bag
[21:55] <harrec[m]> ...it was on
[21:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> That would do it.
[21:56] <harrec[m]> lol, oh man.
[21:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> And, to be honest, I've had that happen to me. It's like, "WTH is going on?????" and then I realize my mouse connected and nothing is working.
[21:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, my assessment was right. Hardware issue. I'll stop short of saying user error.
[21:58] <harrec[m]> :) haha well thanks as always
[21:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hehe, no problem.


[05:12] <larsu> bonjour!
[05:45] <pitti> bonjour larsu!
[05:45] <larsu> hi pitti! Wie gehts?
[05:53] <pitti> larsu: ganz gut, danke! Erkaeltung auf dem Rueckzug :) und dir?
[06:15] <didrocks> good morning
[06:20] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:22] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[06:27] <pitti> didrocks: much better, thanks! how about yourself?
[06:33] <didrocks> pitti: did a long run yesterday evening (20kms in total). Exhausted and didn't really felt well in the end
[06:33] <didrocks> but much better today :)
[06:33] <pitti> didrocks: woow!
[06:33] <pitti> didrocks: so your knees really seem back in top shape, good to hear!
[06:34] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, well… they mandate stretching and I can feel them a little bit, but overall they are good :)
[07:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:05] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:42] <larsu> pitti: oh, gute Besserung! Jetzt nach dem Frühstück gehts mir auch gut :)
[07:55] <willcooke> o/
[07:55] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:56] <larsu> hi willcooke
[08:05] <Laney> hey hey
[08:06] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:06] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[08:06] <willcooke> Sunny!
[08:06] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:06] <didrocks> willcooke: photo or it didn't happen!
[08:06] <willcooke> ha!
[08:06] <larsu> hi Laney!
[08:06] <seb128> he's clearly trolling
[08:06] <willcooke> My lies have been unveiled
[08:06] <seb128> but it's not friday yet!
[08:06] <didrocks> ahah
[08:07] <didrocks> seb128: not friday?
[08:07] <didrocks> WAT?
[08:07] <didrocks> :)
[08:07] <seb128> :-)
[08:07] <willcooke> Proof:  http://tinyurl.com/qfxua94
[08:07] <didrocks> tssssss
[08:07] <didrocks> well done
[08:08] <willcooke> oh, btw seb128 - once you get the Snappy image started TheMuso has offered to help.
[08:08] <seb128> oh, nice
[08:09] <willcooke> We had a chat last week, but we're not 100% sure what he can do, but he's keen to get involved
[08:09] <willcooke> so we'll work it out as we go
[08:09] <seb128> k
[08:21] <pitti> hmm, any news wrt. fixing shotwell? this has sat in -proposed for quite a while and holds up the libgphoto transition
[08:21] <pitti> it also has a block-proposed tag
[08:22] <pitti> perhaps we could remove it from -proposed for the time being, and reupload a fixed version once the issues with the window border got fixed?
[08:23] <Laney> just saw Robert's reply
[08:23] <Laney> does that mean he's not working on fixing it?
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, pitti, didn't he upload a fix yesterday?
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: ah, then not for the test
[08:25] <Laney> I didn't notice the version, just that the test still doesn't pass
[08:25] <seb128> what test?
[08:25] <seb128> no, I don't think he's aware there is a test issue
[08:25] <pitti> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/wily-adt-shotwell/28/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[08:25] <seb128> he uploaded a fix for the decoration
[08:26] <pitti> he should have gotten a CI notification
[08:26] <pitti> autopilot.exceptions.StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name 'GtkToolButton' and properties {'label': 'Import _All'}.
[08:26] <seb128> right
[08:26] <pitti> I suppose the new upstream version changed the layout or button naming or something similar
[08:26] <seb128> but jenkins often sends noise
[08:26] <seb128> so knowing robert I wouldn't be surprised if he just assumed that was noise
[08:27] <seb128> I can have a look if you want
[08:27] <pitti> that would be great; unless it's a complete rearrangement of the UI, I suppose updating the button label already ought to suffice
[08:27] <seb128> k, let me look
[08:28] <pitti> merci !
[08:28] <pitti> good to know that the header bar issue is fixed now (the block-proposed bug)
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: btw, run it against wily, not wily-proposed; it could be that the wily-proposed libgphoto2 also breaks the test (the umockdev record might need updating), that's something I can do
[08:32] <pitti> but it started failing with the old libgphoto (the button name issue)
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, ok
[08:44] <larsu> Laney: my terminal profiles stopped working again :(
[08:45] <larsu> do you know anything about that?
[08:45] <Laney> no
[08:45] <Laney> what command?
[08:45] <larsu> gnome-terminal --app-id de.uebernic.terminals.irssi --profile=Irssi
[08:45] <larsu> in a .desktop file
[08:45] <Laney> OH
[08:45] <larsu> but unity doesn't recognize it as a separate app
[08:46] <Laney> it still launches?
[08:46] <larsu> yes, launches correctly
[08:46] <Laney> I think I broke the app-id thing
[08:46] <Laney> I thought that it didn't work
[08:46] <larsu> but the terminal launcher item is highlighted
[08:46] <larsu> you did
[08:46] <larsu> _GTK_APPLICATION_ID(UTF8_STRING) = "org.gnome.Terminal"
[08:46] <Laney> so I was like fuck this shit it doesn't work why even have this
[08:46] <Laney> and deleted some code
[08:47] <Laney> :)
[08:47] <larsu> ...
[08:47] <larsu> we have this for nice people like didrocks (and me)
[08:47] <didrocks> larsu: "very" nice
[08:47] <didrocks> please
[08:47] <Laney> if you put --disable-factory in there does it work?
[08:47] <larsu> didrocks: sorry. exceptionally nice
[08:47] <didrocks> :)
[08:48] <Laney> I think I have to make --app-id do the custom terminal server thing too
[08:48] <larsu> Laney: ya. It even sets the correct app-id in that case
[08:48] <Laney> indeed
[08:48] <larsu> where did you make that change? In the wrapper?
[08:48] <Laney> yes
[08:49] <larsu> can you pretty please revert it?
[08:49] <Laney> I forgot the case where people have their own .service files
[08:49] <Laney> no
[08:49] <Laney> I'll fix it but it won't be a revert
[08:49] <larsu> right, fine by me :)
[08:49] <larsu> need help?
[08:49] <Laney> nope
[08:49] <larsu> thanks!
[08:50] <Laney> argh
[08:50] <Laney> vim-youcompleteme has somehow broken
[08:51] <Laney> 9999 errors when doing almost anything
[08:52]  * Laney installs it via the archive instead, works again
[08:52] <larsu> what's that?
[08:52] <Laney> omnicomplete thing
[08:52] <larsu> ah
[08:52] <Laney> https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/blob/master/README.md
[08:54] <larsu> seems much more elaborate thatn the built-in completion
[08:54] <Laney> ya it's nice
[08:54] <Laney> I didn't set up the clang stuff yet
[08:54] <Laney> but the non smart completion is already pretty ok
[09:04] <Laney> larsu: can you share a g-t .service file?
[09:05] <darkxst> Laney, hey, what about gnome-system-monitor you were talking about last night?
[09:07] <Laney> hi darkxst
[09:07] <Laney> you got a review on your no headerbar patch
[09:08] <larsu> Laney: sure http://paste.ubuntu.com/11387868/
[09:09] <Laney> ta
[09:09] <Laney> I hope dbus is watching this directory and I don't have to restart or anything
[09:09] <darkxst> Laney, I though that was already upstream? certainly did not get an email of review though
[09:10] <darkxst> Laney, not going looking though, having a break atm
[09:10] <Laney> nm, I will fix it, simple enough
[09:15] <darkxst> Laney, I'm just a little overloaded with everything atm, legal battles, working almost for slave labour and trying to finish my thesis, might not be around much this cycle
[09:18] <Laney> darkxst: OK, no worries, take care of your stuff
[09:19] <Laney> We will go 3.16 with most things, hopefully Noskcaj or someone can do shell & friends
[09:19]  * Laney donates to the darkxst defense fund
[09:21] <Laney> larsu: try lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu please?
[09:21] <darkxst> Laney, that should be offense fund, $700AUD per/hour ;( just to fight my ex for what I deserved
[09:22] <darkxst> its not like I am in trouble with the law, lol
[09:22] <Laney> oh right!
[09:26] <larsu> Laney: getting a debsign error
[09:26] <larsu> usually that's a warning and it build the package anyway
[09:27] <Laney> pass -us -uc
[09:28] <larsu> I guess with a -- when using bzr bd?
[09:28] <Laney> I always forget if you need that or not :(
[09:28] <larsu> I did and it worked, thanks
[09:28] <Laney> I have DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-us -uc" in ~/.devscripts
[09:29] <larsu> I had this at some point... not sure what happened
[09:30] <didrocks> yeah you need -- as you pass parameters to dpkg-buildpackage
[09:30] <larsu> Laney: anyway, package works like a charm. Thanks for the quick fix!
[09:31] <larsu> didrocks: it's a bit weird, because usually "--" means "the rest of the args are file names"
[09:31] <didrocks> larsu: hum, not for quite some commands, it's more "pass those parameters to anything we spawn" when you use a wrapper
[09:32] <darkxst> larsu, no usualy "--" mean the rest of the args are passed through to the underlying process
[09:32] <Laney> git-buildpackage doesn't need it
[09:32] <Laney> so I get confused
[09:35] <larsu> apparently it means verious things then :)
[09:35] <Laney> also I'm getting extreme packet loss to and on this VPS
[09:35] <darkxst> git-buildpackage namespaced their own commands, so they don't need it
[09:35] <Laney> 56 packets transmitted, 5 received, 91% packet loss, time 55281ms
[09:35] <didrocks> Laney: but 91% of them were bad, it's some kind of jungle life, only the strongest resists :)
[09:35]  * Laney moves to the hood
[09:35] <darkxst> larsu, never heard your arguments about filenames before
[09:35] <darkxst> but generally the stuff after "--" gets passed straight through the wrapper script to the actual process
[09:40] <larsu> darkxst: git works that way, as do most gnu utilities
[09:40] <larsu> `rm -- -f` removes a file named -f
[09:40] <Laney> larsu: thanks for testing, will upload this fix along with gnome-terminal 3.16 probably
[09:40] <larsu> thanks
[09:40] <Laney> should be this week
[09:40]  * Laney checks if it requires *cough*
[09:40] <larsu> works for me - I'll just continue using this package until then
[09:40] <Laney> 3.10 \/ o \/
[09:40] <darkxst> larsu, I suspect in that case rm get passed those arguments directly, the only thing you win is not having to quote the -
[09:41] <larsu> darkxst: this is not a feature of the shell. rm needs to pass the single -- itself. It simply doesn't interpret anything following the -- as an argument anymore
[09:41] <larsu> but yeah, you don't gain much
[09:42] <Laney> oh I lost my connection to $other_irc_network
[09:42]  * Laney plays the "find the window irssi is outputting status messages to" game
[09:42] <larsu> Laney: 1?
[09:42] <Laney> I don't have a status window
[09:43] <Laney> it's window 50 this time!
[09:43] <larsu> oh can you close that?
[09:43]  * larsu always leaves it open at 1
[09:43] <Laney> I probably did this 10 years ago
[09:43] <Laney> but yes, somehow
[09:43] <larsu> haha
[09:43] <Laney> Authentication failure
[09:43] <Laney> great
[09:44] <darkxst> larsu I did not say that was a feature of the shell
[09:45] <larsu> darkxst: it sounded like it when you said "rm gets passed those arguments"
[09:45] <larsu> Laney: new pw?
[09:47] <darkxst> larsu it gets a string deprive of shekl globbing and what not
[09:47] <darkxst> shell
[09:48] <larsu> right, but -- is not part of that
[09:48] <darkxst> the majority of wrapper scripts then pass the straight though
[09:49] <darkxst> but really I don't care to argue on this, I supposed to be taking a break
[09:49] <Laney> ffs
[09:59] <larsu> Laney: do you see overshoots? I only get undershoots...
[09:59] <larsu> (which are the ones that signify more content)
[10:00] <Laney> I don't think they have a default style, or at least a noticable one
[10:00] <larsu> in Adwaita, I mean
[10:00] <larsu> ah! You only get them when using a touchpad
[10:00] <larsu> neat :)
[10:01] <Laney> I see it when using the mouse wheel
[10:01] <larsu> I don't see it when using trackpoint+middle button
[10:01] <Laney> but not page up or the arrows
[10:01] <larsu> anyhow, almost done with that
[10:01] <Laney> I can make it quite big using the touchpad though
[10:01] <Laney> which looks neat
[10:01] <larsu> also, link colors
[10:01] <Laney> nice
[10:02] <Laney> theme fixes \m/
[10:02] <larsu> if you want to review
[10:02] <Laney> I do
[10:02] <Laney> do you have a link to the yelp bug too?
[10:03] <larsu> yep https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749947
[10:03] <Laney> merci!
[10:19] <larsu> Laney: orange or grey overshoot?
[10:19] <larsu> I think I'm leaning towards grey
[10:19] <larsu> orange is a bit too much
[10:19] <Laney> don't know ...
[10:21] <larsu> turns out you're not a designer either?!
[10:21] <Laney> maybe there's a grey-ish orange
[10:21] <seb128> what is that overshoot you are talking about?
[10:21] <Laney> new gtk feature
[10:21] <Laney> tells you if you scroll too far
[10:21] <larsu> like on androind
[10:22] <Laney> http://www.colourlovers.com/color/C5793B/Grayish_orange
[10:22]  * larsu goes to meet dholbach for lunch. see you in a bit!
[10:22] <Laney> is it weird to use a new kind of orange?
[10:22] <Laney> oh ok, have fun!
[10:22] <larsu> Laney: I'd like to not introduce new colors if possible
[10:23] <Laney> ok let's get a designer to decide
[10:23] <seb128> larsu, say hello to Daniel and have fun:
[10:23] <seb128> !
[12:16] <larsu> Laney: decided on a slightly darker @bg_color for now (same as separators and grid lines)
[12:16] <larsu> and got rid of the complications from Adwaita
[12:17] <larsu> they have two gradients, which I copied at first
[12:17] <larsu> but I think I like this subtler one more
[12:20] <larsu> desrt: morning. Didn't you say that gnome-terminal-the-launcher should block until the tab/window that was opened finished?
[12:20] <larsu> because it doesn't do that currently
[12:21] <desrt> it should, indeed
[12:21] <larsu> okay. I'll have a look why it doesn't
[12:22] <desrt> huh.  you're right.
[12:22] <larsu> I wonder if any application should behave that way?
[12:22] <larsu> or should the launcher simply activate?
[12:22] <desrt> gedit should....
[12:22] <desrt> on account of 'EDITOR=gedit git commit'
[12:22] <larsu> right, but ... devhelp? epiphany?
[12:22] <larsu> I'm not so sure...
[12:22] <desrt> those ones, no
[12:22] <desrt> definitely not, in fact
[12:23] <larsu> ugh
[12:23] <larsu> now it
[12:23] <desrt> gedit and gnome-terminal are 'special'
[12:23] <larsu> now it's inconsistent
[12:23] <desrt> editors have an implicit relationship with things that have executed them
[12:23] <desrt> particularly in context of $EDITOR
[12:23] <desrt> 'normal apps' don't have this relationship
[12:24] <larsu> terminals do as well?
[12:24] <desrt> gnome-terminal is special because, well, it seems to want to emulate xterm insofar as is possible
[12:24] <desrt> i actually don't care about that case as much, but i thought that chpe did
[12:25] <larsu> apparently not
[12:25] <larsu> smoser does, though
[12:25] <desrt> so smoser can fix it? :)
[12:27] <larsu> well, I wonder what's the right behaviour now..
[12:28] <desrt> i'd argue that the current behaviour is the right behaviour
[12:28] <desrt> APIs and all that jazz
[12:28] <larsu> apparently it changed
[12:28] <desrt> my argument about gedit, for example, is based entirely on the (loose) API expected of $EDITORs
[12:28] <larsu> and man, you know the hoops we're jumping through (well, Laney is) to keep cmd line api
[12:28] <desrt> so now you have the issue of deciding if compatibility with the last 6 months is more important than compatibility with the 5 years before it
[12:29] <desrt> we had this problem in glib once, by accident
[12:29] <desrt> wasn't pretty
[12:29] <desrt> accidentally changed the ABI of GStaticMutex on ARM and didn't notice it for a year
[12:29] <desrt> so it was like "well... we could put it back, but then we'd break everything that was compiled in the last year...."
[12:30] <desrt> and it was just at a time that ARM was exploding in popularity
[12:30] <desrt> we chose to stick with the new incompatible choice... in your case maybe the old incompatible choice makes sense
[12:32] <larsu> not sure
[12:34] <larsu> according to him, this changed in 12.04 with the switch to the client/server model
[12:35] <larsu> so, quite a while
[12:40] <larsu> desrt: apparently there's a "new client": https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745282
[12:40] <larsu> where they have a --wait for this purpose
[16:27] <attente> hi, how do you propose changes to the ubuntu mainline kernel?
[16:29] <didrocks> attente: I guess just go to #ubuntu-kernel for this and ask apw
[16:30] <attente> didrocks: thanks
[16:30] <didrocks> yw
[17:14] <Laney> climbing time
[17:14] <Laney> laters!
[17:27]  * willcooke -> EOD
[20:01] <Noskcaj> Is anyone planning to do the webkit2gtk transition/MIR? I'm pretty sure it would mean ubuntu seeding geoclue-2.0 though
[20:02] <Laney> Noskcaj: I don't think anyone is really expecting to spend time on that this cycle
[20:02] <Laney> what requires it?
[20:03] <Noskcaj> devhelp and anjuta both just changed to it in debian and are stuck in proposed as a result. I was just wondering what the plans for it are
[20:04] <Laney> I'd be up for the transition but don't know if I have space to work on geoclue-2.0
[20:05] <Laney> Maybe we could turn that off?
[20:11] <sarnold> Noskcaj: and note that security team loooooves blink and is unlikely to accept a second webkit thingy into main.
[20:13] <Laney> We'd be wantin to move to wbekit2gtk
[20:13] <Laney> hey, my touch typing is worse than I thought
[20:15] <Noskcaj> Ok. Would it be worth merging devhelp with it using webkitgtk so we can get 3.16?
[20:15] <Laney> sure
[20:18] <mdeslaur> we could also perhaps drop devhelp to universe
[20:19] <pmcgowan> bregma, fwiw I am losing my indicator panel a lot suddenly today on vivid desktop
[20:20] <bregma> pmcgowan, we haven't released any changes into vivid, but losing your Panel usually means unity-panel-service or compiz is crashing
[20:20] <pmcgowan> bregma, panel-service
[20:20] <Noskcaj> mdeslaur, A few things in main have a recommends on it, but that might be the easier way
[20:21] <bregma> u-p-s usually crashes because of an indicator plugin
[20:21] <pmcgowan> not sure why but lost it 3 times in a couple hours
[20:21] <pmcgowan> might be xchat notices
[20:21] <jdstrand> Noskcaj, Laney:I'll just also put it out there that the purpose of oxide is to allow the chromium content api to get regular updates while the api to apps doesn't change. someone working on gtk[23] for oxide (we currently have qt5) would likely help everyone in the long run
[20:21] <pmcgowan> but nothing changed Id thin
[20:21] <pmcgowan> k
[20:22] <jdstrand> s/gtk\[23\] for oxide/gtk[23] bindings for oxide/
[20:23] <jdstrand> obviously that isn't a short term thing, but it can neatly solve the maintenance problem for consumers of a web engine
[20:24] <jdstrand> if people are interested in that, I suggest joining<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <Noskcaj> bug 1459434 has the patch
[22:06] <Noskcaj> Laney, Can you please take a look at merging tracker some time soon? It's the only package that needs to depend on the new libmediaart that isn't on the sponsors queue
[22:32] <Laney> Noskcaj: I'm doing all my merges, it'll get done
[22:33] <Laney> feel free if you want it done faster
[22:33] <Laney> I'm patch piloting tomorrow so ... ;)


[00:02] <Chance_> Is anyone still here?
[00:03] <knome> !anyone | Chance_
[00:03] <knome> (also, people from various timezones frequent the channel, so it's always possible to have somebody around)
[00:03] <Chance_> lol
[00:04] <Chance_> Okay wierd problem. I have a Lubuntu splash screen, an Ubuntu login screen, and when I log in, the OS is Xubuntu..
[00:05] <holstein> Chance_: if you were messing about removing things, that could likely be happening.. if everything is working, i would just use the system "as-is"
[00:05] <Unit193> plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo or plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo is installed, same with unity-greeter.
[00:07] <Chance_> wont even ask how to fix.
[00:10] <Chance_> is it safe to delete GNOME/Openbox and Xfce Session?
[00:10] <holstein> Chance_: i would say, anything can be done safely.. for you, i would say, if you dont need the space, just leave them along. otherwise, have backups and plan for failure, and you'll always be able to recover
[00:10] <holstein> leave them alone*
[00:14] <Chance_> lol i guess i have OCD. i want to delete things that I dont use.
[00:16] <holstein> !mini | Chance_ you can always just start with the minimum and only add what you want
[00:17] <holstein> Chance_: you *can* delete what you dont use, but, you need to leave what other applications need in place, or they will have a hard time
[00:19] <Chance_> okay but the thing is, i have so much stuff installed from terminal, Synaptic package manager, and the Ubuntu software center and idk where it all goes
[00:19] <glenrock> as long as you're installing it all from the repos, it goes where it's supposed to go
[00:20] <holstein> Chance_: you might want to research where things go before installing them
[00:20] <Chance_> but i do not want them anymore
[00:20] <holstein> Chance_: you should be able to use any package manager
[00:20] <glenrock> you can apt-get remove packagename from terminal to remove it.   an apt-get autoremove will remove any unneeded turds that were left behind
[00:20] <Chance_> nevermind guys
[00:20] <holstein> Chance_: sure, and again you can remove them.. im just implying that you dont gain anything from it.. other than a little hard drive space
[00:21] <holstein> Chance_: if you want, try and ask more specifically.. "how do i remove x?"
[00:21] <holstein> specific*
[00:22] <Chance_> ok lets start here: how can i switch the splash screen back to xubuntu? im assuming theres a download in Synaptic Package Manager for that.
[00:22] <holstein> Chance_: its a config file AFAIK
[00:23] <Monkeytoe> hello
[00:24] <Chance_> okay.. a config file.. im more familiar with Windows so im clearly lost
[00:25] <Monkeytoe> maybe someone can help me out here. I am trying to find the font used on this site so I can load it into libreoffice calc. Inspecting the element shows font-family{ consolas, monospace } ... as I dont have consolas it must be using the default monospace... libreoffice calc has no option for monospace. Here is the page in question that shows the font. The column on the right. http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ppcbtc
[00:25] <holstein> Chance_: also, ts not so much like in windows where installed applications use resources. you can have openbox installed, and its not doing *anything* in th background
[00:26] <holstein> Chance_: this is a nice read on how someone changed splash screens http://askubuntu.com/questions/173329/what-alternatives-are-available-to-replace-the-purple-boot-splash-screen ..but its not an application that you need to add or remove. its a configuration that you changed installing and/or removing things
[00:26] <Monkeytoe> I also screenshotted the page to give an example of what the font looks like. https://www.dropbox.com/s/qt0xa3dmiw26cpm/fontexample.png
[00:27] <holstein> Chance_: also, keep in mind, you are not allowed to change anything about the splash screen in windows. all of the linux distros are able to theme and customize, and i think thats all that has happened to you. you have gotten some mixed art
[00:27] <Monkeytoe> That was taken from firefox on xubuntu 13.10
[00:27] <Monkeytoe> anyone have any idea how I can figure out what font this is?
[00:27] <Chance__> sorry I'm back
[00:27] <glenrock> Chance_: one more thing -- if you launch Ubuntu Software Center and then click the Installed button, it shows you everything you've installed from the repos.  This includes anything that was installed via the terminal, Software center, etc.
[00:29] <Chance__> i know that glenrock & that's what got me in trouble. i deleted something wrong i guess and when i rebooted, i got a mountall Plymouth error. im finally able to boot now but i have a lot of excess OS's and programs
[00:30] <holstein> Chance__: "arguably" excess.. keep in mind, reinstalltion should take less than 10 minutes. you can always reinstall, and in the future, experiement with either a live CD or a virtualized installation. in virtualbox, you can safe snapshots and easily revery
[00:30] <holstein> revert*
[00:32] <glenrock> Monkeytoe: try Ubuntu mono
[00:32] <glenrock> Monkeytoe: actually, that doesn't look like it
[00:33] <Monkeytoe> yeah ubuntu mono does not have a . in the 0
[00:33] <Monkeytoe> I cant for the life of me figure out what font this is
[00:33] <Monkeytoe> do you know if firefox bundles fonts?
[00:33] <Monkeytoe> or would this have to be a system font
[00:33] <holstein> i have a . in my 0
[00:34] <Monkeytoe> for ubuntu mono?
[00:34] <Monkeytoe> or just viewing the page
[00:34] <holstein> Monkeytoe: im in the terminal right now.. and i have .'s in my 0's.. it looks much like that
[00:34] <holstein> i am using system fixed width font
[00:34] <holstein> AFAIK, its the ubuntu one
[00:35] <glenrock> Monkeytoe: maybe try Liberation Mono too
[00:35] <glenrock> i think it would have to be a font you have on your system
[00:35] <holstein> its just "monospace"
[00:35] <holstein> when i specify.. and it looks like a monospace fixed width font
[00:35] <Monkeytoe> I see "monospace" in my terminal as well
[00:36] <Monkeytoe> and that is definantly the correct one
[00:36] <holstein> Monkeytoe: looks like it to me
[00:36] <Monkeytoe> The weird thing is... libreoffice calc does not have an option for monospace in the fonts
[00:36] <glenrock> wierd, but Libre doesn't give monospace as a choice
[00:44] <Monkeytoe> ok I think I found what is going on
[00:45] <Monkeytoe> in /usr/fonts/conf.avail there is a font called 58-dejavu-lgc-sans-mono.conf ... inside that <family>monospace</family><prefer><family>DejaVu LGC Sans Mono</family></prefer>
[00:47] <Chance__> how do i auto allow root access so i can delete files and stuff..?
[00:47] <knome> Chance__, please don't.
[00:47] <knome> Chance__, use sudo
[00:48] <Chance__> im in the File System
[00:48] <Chance__> when i right click, i cant move to trash
[00:48] <knome> Chance__, there's a reason why system files aren't easily deletable
[00:48] <glenrock> you shouldn't need to delete things that aren't in your home folder
[00:49] <glenrock> you uninstall with the package manager and the package manager cleans up
[00:51] <Chance__> i just want to get back the default splash screen.
[00:52] <glenrock> Chance__: if you execute this command from a terminal, does it give you multiple options?       sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[00:53] <glenrock> Chance__: hopefully you'll see a xubuntu option.   select it, then issue this command:   sudo update-initramfs -u
[00:54] <Chance__> yes glenrock
[00:54] <glenrock> Chance__: here's where i found that info:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2043534&p=12177312#post12177312
[00:57] <Chance__> genius! its fixed thanks
[00:58] <glenrock> welcome :)
[00:58] <Chance__> now to get rid of this GNU grub screen and just automatically boot into the OS
[01:26] <xubuntu768> anyone active?
[01:26] <knome> !anyone | xubuntu768
[01:27] <xubuntu768> !details
[01:31] <knome> xubuntu768, do you have a support question?
[01:41] <attrapereves> Does anyone know if the Radeon HD8400 is supported  under 13.10?
[01:43] <holstein> !ati | attrapereves
[01:47] <attrapereves> holstein, an update from earlier about the blank screen liveCD.
[01:47] <holstein> attrapereves: i would just install, and specify the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf
[01:48] <attrapereves> I was able to fully boot Mint, but only after making a new xorg.conf. I believe it was using a basic driver
[01:48] <holstein> attrapereves: copye the xorg.conf from mint
[01:48] <attrapereves> I tried the same with xubuntu, but it does not get past "Loading Extension GLX"
[01:49] <holstein> attrapereves: you'll need to check the driver line, and make sure you have the driver installed. or specify the vesa driver there til you install the driver you want/need
[01:50] <attrapereves> so just replace "radeon" with "vesa"?
[01:50] <holstein> attrapereves: or, install the radeon driver that you need
[01:51] <holstein> attrapereves: as long as you know how to edit the xorg.conf from a live CD or TTY, you wont break anything.. backup the file
[01:55] <attrapereves> I have removed glx from the config file, but it keeps trying to load when I do "startx". What's going on?
[03:45] <toshiba-net> Hello! How do I get Xubuntu 12.04 LTS to recognize a 128GB SanDisk Ultra SDXC card? This card uses the exFAT memory format, but there's no such package in Synaptic on Xubuntu. Any advice?
[03:47] <well_laid_lawn> toshiba-net:  have you checked dmesg in a terminal to see what the kernel thinks of it?
[03:49] <well_laid_lawn> http://www.techlw.com/2012/09/how-to-mount-exfat-file-system-on.html
[03:53] <attrapereves> I was finally able to get my system to boot using a daily build of 14.04, but I am getting weird fonts in certain windows. It looks like Thai.
[05:03] <xubuntu972> wassuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
[05:03] <xubuntu972> wassuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
[06:50] <amireldor> Hi. Possible bug? I've just tried to change my profile picture under Xubuntu 13.10 and the user thumbnail under the 'users and groups' is well... not a button. I *did* manage to change my picture with ~/.face.
[06:51] <amireldor> That's Xfce 4.10
[10:40] <brainwash> amireldor: changing the profile picture via GUI will be possible starting with 14.04, you can find an overview about this new app here http://smdavis.us/2013/07/27/mugshot-quick-and-easy-user-config/
[10:47] <amireldor> brainwash, I saw somewhere on a Xfce forum where a user was told to click the profile image button and he was like: "oh, OK, that worked!"
[10:47] <amireldor> so I was wondering if maybe it's Xubuntu related
[10:48] <amireldor> and not general Xfce
[10:52] <amireldor> here is the thread: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=128110
[10:52] <amireldor> (it's Mint's forum, not Xfce as I thought)
[11:01] <knome> mint is not (x)ubuntu
[11:02] <knome> they are probably using a different greeter then
[11:02] <knome> (or login manager altogether)
[11:14] <amireldor> knome, it's supposed to be the same Xfce, isn't it? Xfce has it's own 'settings-manager' where I face the issue. Does the Xfce's in Xubuntu and Mint using a different settings-manager?
[11:23] <brainwash> amireldor: the settings manager is only an overview window, it displays system/user specific applications which allow the users to customize the desktop/system settings
[11:23] <brainwash> most of them are part of Xfce, others are not
[11:26] <amireldor> brainwash, ohhh so the "Users and Groups" there is a Xubuntu thing
[11:26] <amireldor> is the mugshot app gonna replace/integrate with "Users and Groups"?
[11:26] <brainwash> actually it's an outdated gnome 3.0 app to manage users and groups
[11:27] <brainwash> no, installing mugshot does not cause any trouble
[11:27] <amireldor> I meant in 14.04
[11:27] <brainwash> no, it's not a replacement
[11:31] <amireldor> It seems odd to me that a new non-technical user will have to create a ~/.face image, instead of intuitively use a 'pre-packed' GUI user manager.
[11:32] <brainwash> will be fixed in 14.04
[11:33] <amireldor> The Gnome app will be updated?
[11:33] <brainwash> mugshot will be shipped by default starting with 14.04
[11:43] <bazhang> what is mugshot brainwash
[11:44] <amireldor> bazhang, this is the link he gave me earlier regarding mugshot http://smdavis.us/2013/07/27/mugshot-quick-and-easy-user-config/
[11:45] <bazhang> amireldor, thanks
[15:22] <delt> Here's a good one: where is it stored which was the last session i opened? I thought it was ~/.dmrc, but changing that file doesn't seem to affect which one is selected by default.
[15:33] <stark> does mac4lin/macubuntu affect performance? will it slow down xubuntu?
[15:37] <stark> hello ? :O
[15:48] <xubuntu012> help! Want to install Xubuntu on a VM app (MAC, Parallels 8)
[16:00] <xubuntu012> weird, nobody answered
[16:06] <Calinou> it's not weird here, xu
[16:33] <Fohlen> hi guys, how could I change the profile picture upon the login screen in xubuntu 13.04? I tried that already, http://askubuntu.com/questions/47186/is-there-a-way-to-change-user-picture-in-xubuntu-and-actually-display-it-on-log
[16:33] <Fohlen> it shows my pic in User Manager, but it does not upon start screen
[16:34] <Fohlen> so I assume I might need to add it somewhere, or change the approached image size (pixels)?
[16:37] <Fohlen> I tried the ~/.face solution, but it seems to not work
[16:38] <Fohlen> Or better said, it shows the picture in User Manager, but not upon startup
[16:46] <brainwash> Fohlen: is your home folder encrypted?
[16:46] <Fohlen> yes
[16:46] <brainwash> so it won't work
[16:46] <Fohlen> brainwash, is there any workaround known?
[16:47] <Fohlen> or won't it work?
[16:48] <brainwash> yes, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/61637/where-is-the-users-profile-picture-stored-in-gnome-3
[16:49] <brainwash> it's possible via accountsservice which is installed by default
[16:50] <brainwash> you should copy your profile picture over to /var/lib/AccountsService/icons
[16:53] <Fohlen> thank you very much
[16:53] <Fohlen> though, /usr/share/pixmaps/faces should also work, shouldnt it?
[16:53] <Fohlen> as in the example
[16:53] <Fohlen> :)
[16:54] <brainwash> sure, you can move it anywhere you like and the system has access to it while you are not logged in
[17:32] <delt> hello
[17:33] <delt> how do i fix this compile / cmake error:
[17:33] <delt> ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in (some paths)
[17:37] <genii> delt: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=FindKDE4Internal.cmake&mode=exactfilename&suite=saucy&arch=any
[17:45] <delt> genii: thanks
[18:23] <kblin> evening folks
[18:24] <kblin> is there a way to detect audio jack events in xubuntu?
[18:25] <kblin> I'm trying to get my system to normally play sounds via HDMI, but switch to headphones if I plug those in
[18:25] <kblin> so far, I have to manually switch output devices in the mixer settings, which is a bit annoying
[18:27] <apothecarius> hey guys, I have a really weird problem
[18:28] <apothecarius> i use xubuntu 12.04 on a really cheap laptop
[18:28] <apothecarius> and there seems to be a shell on the screen that receives all key input
[18:28] <apothecarius> whenever the return key is pressed the system logs out
[18:29] <apothecarius> btw the computer is configured to login automatically when booting up
[18:30] <Calinou> how to make screen not shut down after 15 minutes of inactivity?
[18:30] <Calinou> I seen a bug report about that, that PM features are broken under 13.10
[18:32] <kblin> the only thing that is consistently broken in 13.x ubuntus for me is the ability to hibernate from the GUI
[18:34] <brainwash> Calinou: you can change the timeout values via Settings Manager > Screensaver / Power Manager
[18:35] <Calinou> it doesn't work
[18:35] <Calinou> has NO effect
[18:35] <Calinou> that's the point of the bug report I've seen
[18:35] <brainwash> but Xubuntu is not affected
[18:35] <Calinou> it is, I experience it
[18:35] <Calinou> the bug report was for Xubuntu
[18:36] <brainwash> did you disable xscreensaver or xfce4-power-manager?
[18:36] <brainwash> well, please link the report then
[18:37] <Calinou> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[18:38] <brainwash> you described a different issue
[18:42] <apothecarius> hey, right now im logged into the machine via SSH how can i deactivate the automatic login after booting
[18:44] <Sysi> Calinou: check /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[18:44] <Calinou> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6751926/
[18:44] <Calinou> also... I don't get it, I use upstart?
[18:46] <brainwash> + a crippled systemd implementation
[18:46] <glenrock> apothecarius: do a less on /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:46] <brainwash> Calinou: can you upload the output of "xset -q" please
[18:46] <glenrock> apothecarius: does it have a username next to autologin-user
[18:47] <apothecarius> yes glenrock, thank you
[18:47] <glenrock> np
[18:50] <Calinou> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6751948/
[18:51] <brainwash> the Screen Saver timeout value is >0
[18:52] <brainwash> does changing the value via Settings Manager > Screensaver not work?
[18:53] <Calinou> meh, it's for another PC anyway
[18:53] <brainwash> and also make sure that xscreensaver is actually running the background
[18:53] <brainwash> in the background
[18:53] <Calinou> it isn't
[18:55] <brainwash> if you don't want to use xscreensaver, then you will have to add the command "xset s off" to your startup apps
[18:55] <XUBU> Im have problems with my GUI. I pressed Ctrl + Alt + F2 then CtrlAltF7 and when I got back to the homescreen, my display shrunk. hard to explain
[18:57] <XUBU> basically my homescreen shows at the top left, and the rest of the screen is just a solid color.
[19:00] <XUBU> fixed it.
[19:06] <kblin> Calinou: hm, you're right, I doesn't do anything for me either
[19:07] <Calinou> that bug has been around since a long time, but it got worse in 13.10
[19:14] <brainwash> Calinou: which bug?
[19:14] <Calinou> the power management one
[19:14] <Calinou> the one I mentioned
[19:17] <brainwash> how did it get worse in 13.10? if xscreensaver isn't running, then it won't override the timeout value
[19:19] <Calinou> in 13.10: clicking power button doesn't ask you before shutting down, and laptops always suspend when lid is closed
[19:19] <Calinou> regardless of setting
[19:21] <brainwash> yes, a workaround + patched version of xfce4-power-manager (PPA) available
[19:21] <brainwash> are available
[19:22] <brainwash> feel free to test the PPA
[19:22] <brainwash> some positive feedback might help to push this version into the official repo
[19:23] <recon_lap> nomodeset?
[19:23] <recon_lap> tell nomodeset
[19:23] <recon_lap> hmm
[19:23] <elfy> !nomodeset
[19:24] <attrapereves> I am not able to get my battery indicator to show up. I have tried the setting under the power manager. Any other tips?
[19:24] <Calinou> brainwash, it's concerning that fixes like that (also sound indicator fix) still aren't merged in 3 months after release :P
[19:25] <brainwash> Calinou: sound indicator has been fixed
[19:25] <recon_lap> thx elfy :)
[19:25] <Calinou> not for me :/ had to fix it by hand
[19:27] <brainwash> Calinou: everyone is able to contribute, the source code is open, so everyone can write patches and try to improve Xubuntu
[19:28] <brainwash> this sound indicator issue wasn't easy to fix, on top of that, it has been broken by the ubuntu guys
[19:30] <Calinou> there was a fool proof fix on webupd8 :P
[19:30] <Calinou> worked on all DEs
[19:33] <elfy> and when there was time and people to do more with it then it was done
[19:33] <elfy> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[19:36] <kblin> Calinou: the sound stuff is fixed for me
[19:37] <Calinou> I fixed it by myself
[19:40] <kblin> I did that on an older install
[19:40] <kblin> but on recent fresh installs, it was broken after the install and then fixed itself after an apt-get upgrade
[20:29] <Guest93060> hello
[20:29] <Guest93060> anyone free, have a short question
[20:30] <Calinou> ask it
[20:30] <ochosi> !ask
[20:30] <Guest93060> ok
[20:30] <Guest93060> i am on xubuntu lucid and replaced pulse audio with alsa
[20:30] <Guest93060> cantfigure out how to make logout sound work
[20:31] <Calinou> lucid is not supported anymore
[20:31] <Calinou> update to precise, or saucy
[20:31] <Guest93060> xubuntu 12.04?
[20:31] <Guest93060> ok
[20:31] <Calinou> yeah
[20:31] <Calinou> Lucid is 10.04
[20:31] <Calinou> PulseAudio got much better recently, and is less buggy than before
[20:32] <Guest93060> yes but once got rid of it and applied a few other tweaks my system works like a charm
[20:33] <xubuntu408> hello
[20:33] <Calinou> Lucid is not supported anymore
[20:33] <xubuntu408> im not using lucid
[20:34] <Guest93060> ok, thanks anyway, i suppose i wont be needing the log out sound, i tried to install canberra but it needs pulse audio
[20:34] <xubuntu408> hello
[20:34] <xubuntu408> i was wondering if i could get some help with something
[20:35] <Calinou> that's why you shouldn't remove PA
[20:35] <elfy> !ask | xubuntu408
[20:35] <Calinou> xubuntu408, ask your question
[20:35] <xubuntu408> Disk Mount Error During Boot-Up
[20:36] <xubuntu408> ok got it
[20:39] <xubuntu408> Disk Mount Error During Boot-Up  is my problem how do i fix im new to linux so i wish i could be more specific
[20:40] <xubuntu408> thanks in advance
[20:51] <recon_lap> xubuntu408: you really need to describe what you did to install better than that.
[20:53] <recon_lap> xubuntu408: could you provide a link to the instructions you followed when installing ?
[21:28] <johnsnow> disk mount error on boot up
[21:29] <bekks> !details
[21:42] <xubuntu704> need help with fixing mounting error


[14:57] <Mamarok> RikMills: so sad to hear about Adam Conrad, I met him in Paris at the UDS in 2008 :-(
[14:57] <Mamarok> 2006 actually
 https://mobile.twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1354443269871185923
 Hope that is ok?
[14:58] <Mamarok> totally


[00:16] <penguin42> hmm, second X crash today; it's been stalble for years
[02:25] <danniel> hi
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:37] <fabrizziop> hey, I have a regression with kernel 4.2
[11:37] <fabrizziop> where could I report a bug or something?
[11:39] <penguin42> fabrizziop: If you have a launchpad.net account you can report it by running ubuntu-bug linux    on your machine
[11:39] <fabrizziop> but my machine won't boot. The issue only occurs when the IOMMU (in 990FX) is enabled
[11:40] <fabrizziop> and at boot, I only get invalid_device_request for the smbus controller
[11:43] <penguin42> ok, but if you go back to the previous kernel version, let it boot and then report the bug, clearly stating it happens on the other kernel
[11:45] <fabrizziop> ohh ok
[11:45] <fabrizziop> thanks
[11:47] <penguin42> then post the bug report link here, if I'm still around I might be able to check it
[11:52] <BluesKaj> another annoyance plasama 5.3 has dropped xembed-based system tray support according some reports, so the system tray doesn't show/link some icons like my irc client, konversation, and the workarouns is so clunky it's worth the bother. I hope there's a substitute in the works soon.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> not worth the bother
[11:53] <BluesKaj> actually it's plsama 5.4 not 5.3
[11:55] <penguin42> yeh, it's annoying when they do that - although I think Gnome did the same (still there on my xfce machine I think)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> guess I =should cross-post this in #kubuntu-devel