[09:34] <TomTom> no, I did not use a new user with a fresh kde setup because the problems already start in SDDM... So I guess its not connected to any KDE setting.
[09:35] <TomTom> my glxgears look great: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/W0mcjU7L/image.png
[09:37] <TomTom> I tried a lot now... different kernels, even back to 6.2, kde-backports and oibaf-drivers. I will boot now from the ISO and see if this a general thing
[10:47] <user|67> Hello I am doing an install but my pc went to suspend while I am away and live session asking for password
[10:48] <user|67> I tried " " "ubuntu" and "kubuntu" none of them worked
[12:44] <javier> hello
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:17] <TomTom> i think all my problems are because i have not removed/purged the oibaf ppa before the upgrade... what sounds really strange to me is, when i want to downgrade the `libdrm-amdgpu1` package to the mantic version, apt wants to remove(!) all xorg (and kde and all the apps)...
[18:21] <user|39> How can i get older versions of kubuntu that support dos partitioning?
[23:48] <user|34> Hello! How can I install 23.10 to btrfs subvolumes I created (not to @ and @home)? And where 'Expert install' option?
[23:51] <user|34> Hello! How can I install 23.10 to btrfs subvolumes I created (not to @ and @home)? And where is 'Expert install' option?


[10:04] <joshm33> Hey, can anybody help me please?
[10:57] <studiobot> karl red was added by: karl red
 @joshm33 [<joshm33> Hey, can anybody help me please?], Ask your question and maybe somebody will help!
 :)
[12:06] <M_aD> their gone for two hours now...
[12:06] <M_aD> :)
 Aye.
[15:57] <DirtyEar> Hi everybody. I have a situation in my pc
[15:58] <DirtyEar> My pc was broken and I get another one and installed the hard disc in order to get all the Ardour projects, but any of these projects open
[15:59] <DirtyEar> Ardour does not let me create a new session or open one
[15:59] <DirtyEar> Somebody could hep me?
[16:01] <DirtyEar> Jack shows me: XRUN callback (x) everytime
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> !patience | DirtyEar
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> DirtyEar: Try asking in #ardour. My hands are tied with releasing 19.10 at the moment.
[16:03] <DirtyEar> Ok I'll do
[19:00] <sakrecoer[m]> Wuhu!! Congrats on the new release! :) \o/
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer[m]: Thanks!
[22:34] <dialextremo> Hello, can someone help me?
[22:41] <tomreyn> !ask | dialextremo
[22:45] <dialextremo> Ok, it happens that all this week i've been trying to install ubuntu studio in my laptop lenovo ideapad 330s AMD ryzen 5 with AMD radeon vega 8 graphics.
 What's the issue you're having?
[22:48] <dialextremo> I flashed an USB with balenaEtcher and tried to boot, then it shows a black screen, but then with help of forums i got to install the OS. The problem now is that when I rebooted, and select ubuntu studio with low latency it show another smaller black screen
[22:50] <dialextremo> and tried advanced options with linux 5.0.0-13 -lowlatency
[22:51] <dialextremo> and it shows "cargando imagen de memoria inicial", I think it translates, charging initial memory image hahahahaha
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> dialextremo: That hardware is awefully new for that kernel version. What verison of Ubuntu Studio are you trying to install?
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm
[22:55] <dialextremo> 19.10
[22:56] <Lorenzo> Ciao ragazzi! Volevo chiedervi delle opinioni riguardo ubuntu studio. Io sono uno studente di ingegneria informatica, al momento utilizzo linux mint per programmare e win10 per produrre musica, ma ora che ho scoperto ubuntu studio stavo quasi pensando di togliere sia win10 che mint ed usare solo questo. Voi come vi ci trovate? Ci riuscite a fare
[22:56] <Lorenzo> tutto o dovete ricorrere anche ad altri os? Grazie in anticipo!
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> !es | Lorenzo
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> !it | Lorenzo
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> @dialextremo: Ok, I don't know. I have AMD hardware that has absolutely zero issues. Try asking in #ubuntu, we specialize in the audio/video stuff here. You'll get faster help there.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> dialextremo: This is just a very inactive channel.
[22:57] <dialextremo> ok, thanks
[23:07] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> lol it isn't spanish xD
[23:21] <Eickmeyer> @Reese Polila: I realize that, which is why I posted Itallian shortly after.
[23:22] <studiobot> <Reese Polilla> yep sorry i read the post later


[02:38] <EoflaOE> Hello Bashing-om
[03:32] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Hey hey !  I wandered back :P
[03:32] <EoflaOE> Hello, how are you Bashing-om?
[03:33] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Not Great ..still with this miserable cold.
[03:34] <EoflaOE> OK. I have 6:33 AM, so it is still a bit cold outside.
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[15:38] <munz> yea mhall119 i got the bundle, 3 games for linux in it so far, and so far only have one of three working lol
[15:44] <mhall119> yeah, that was my experience when I tried them
[15:44] <mhall119> couple years ago
[15:45] <govatent> a bad experience?
[15:51] <mhall119> just very hit or miss on which games work
[15:52] <govatent> got ya
[16:02] <munz> yea hit or miss.... garys mod works fine on my desktops, but natural selection 2 just opens and then closed, serious sam 3 bfe opens then after  opening and showing the opening it freezes my whole computer :( at least i only paied $5 not a big loss
[18:15] <munz> well i have gmod and ss3 working on my lts system, ns2 still crashing but i see hope in the forums, just no time today to mess with it
[19:54] <govatent> does anyone use rhythmbox?
[21:46] <munz> no, i did but now using banshee


[00:08] <krytarik> slickymaster: Just put "test: get-translations" in the first one too - I seem to have overlooked that, even though I checked then.
[06:42] <ochosi> jboul: hi! you were the one sending an email about testing to the ML?
[06:43] <jboul> yes actually that was me. Hi!
[06:43] <ochosi> welcome then :)
[06:43] <jboul> Thank you very much. glad to be here..
[06:44] <ochosi> if you wanna help out with testing, you'd ideally get in touch with elfy (he's the testing lead)
[06:44] <ochosi> but ofc oftentimes others in here will also be able to help you
[06:44] <ochosi> right now we're running ISO tests for the release candidate of 15.04
[06:45] <ochosi> if you wanna help with that, that would be 1) a good starting point, since it's not rocket science and 2) most welcome!
[06:45] <jboul> Ya I really wanted to get involved in the testing I have read and learned how to go about doing the testing
[06:46] <ochosi> this email summarizes things nicely: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010712.html
[06:46] <jboul> ya i would love to help ;)
[06:46] <jboul> alright ill read it now
[06:46] <ochosi> reporting your results on the tracker is quite important btw, otherwise we have no way of knowing how your tests went
[06:46] <ochosi> cool
[06:47] <jboul> thank you so much for hthe help
[06:47] <ochosi> and as i said, if you have questions, always feel free to ask
[06:47] <ochosi> however, you might also have to be patient at times
[06:47] <ochosi> ppl aren't always around ;)
[06:47] <ochosi> (but your messages are read and get replied to later in that case)
[06:48] <jboul> Alright sounds awesome. It's really helpful to have actual people to ask for help instead of searching through guides for hours lol
[06:51] <jboul> One thing i was wondering was if went it came to testing for example a package and you see that someone already has tested it should i still test it again?
[06:52] <jboul> Actually now that i think about that it would make sense to test it on multiple systems
[06:55] <ochosi> yeah
[06:55] <ochosi> that's one aspect
[06:55] <ochosi> but generally speaking we rarely focus on single packages
[06:56] <ochosi> best way to test individual programmes is by using them, i.e. by installing the development version of xubuntu and using it on a daily basis. (but that's just my approach)
[06:57] <ochosi> anyway, gotta go, bbl
[06:57] <jboul> alright thanks ttyl
[07:42] <elfy> ochosi: thanks - that guy was someone who mailed me yesterday :)
[07:58] <knome> i guess a quick reply on the mailing list pointing to the general contribution urls (probably with a note that we already met this person so we wouldn't go into the details) would be good PR
[07:59] <knome> i can do that later when i actually sit down on a computer
[08:00] <knome> elfy, just checking that i've understood when watching it from afar so far -
[08:00] <elfy> knome: if you're able later - I just mailed list with details for Vivid Final - a bump on social stuff would be \o/
[08:00] <knome> is the reboot/shutdown issue existent only after the first occurrence after installing, or does it affect the installed system too?
[08:01] <knome> that i can do now
[08:01] <knome> well twitter, that is
[08:01] <elfy> ta :)
[08:01] <knome> want me to specifically link to the latest mail?
[08:01] <elfy> the reboot/shutdown issue is only about 'remove the install media and press Enter'
[08:02] <elfy> after it works
[08:02] <knome> ok
[08:02] <elfy> yep - 2 secs
[08:02] <knome> i have the link
[08:02] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010719.html
[08:02] <elfy> lol - ok :)
[08:02] <knome> thanks anyway ;)
[08:03] <elfy> I'll kncok up a general mail to the lists when I'm drinking the next cuppa :)
[08:03] <knome> ta
[08:03] <knome> i'll be off most of the day once i am off
[08:03] <knome> which is in the next 60 mins
[08:03] <elfy> I'm just chilling all day - not moving much further than up or downstairs :D
[08:04] <knome> hehe
[08:05] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/589338788926775297
[08:05] <knome> there we go
[08:05] <elfy> thanks :)
[08:06] <elfy> I'll ping pleia2 to bump the others - which is what I just did :D
[08:06] <knome> no problemo
[08:06] <knome> yep
[08:52] <ochosi> elfy: np, he sent the email to all admins of -testing, so i received it as well ;)
[08:55] <elfy> oh right - didn't know that :)
[08:55] <elfy> still - thanks :D
[10:22] <elfy> bug 1445622
[10:22] <elfy> gvfs or something ?
[10:22] <elfy> obviously not just Thunar
[10:36] <elfy> ochosi: other than the remove media bug and the above misplaced bug, looking good at the moment
[10:45] <brainwash> elfy: anything about gvfs in the logs?
[10:46] <brainwash> somehow ~/.local/share/Trash cannot be created
[10:46] <elfy> brainwash: not looked tbh
[10:46] <brainwash> or the gvfs trash process has crashed
[10:46] <elfy> I'll see if I can find something
[10:47] <elfy> just obviously NOT thunar if lubuntu and ubuntu have issues too
[10:47] <brainwash> ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log I think
[10:47] <brainwash> and the dbus.log one too
[10:47] <elfy> k - ta
[10:48] <PaulW2U> elfy: but not a problem in kubuntu. strange
[10:48] <brainwash> gvfs is a gnome thingy
[10:48] <brainwash> most likely not used in KDE/Kubuntu
[10:48] <PaulW2U> brainwash: right
[10:49] <elfy> nothing showing in those 2 logs
[10:53] <ochosi> elfy: great! that's good to hear
[10:53] <brainwash> test with http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/en/man1/gvfs-trash.1.html
[10:54] <brainwash> maybe it gives some helpful error message
[10:54] <elfy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIEqdXpG5Pg
[10:54] <elfy> oops
[10:54] <elfy> not that for sure :D
[10:55] <elfy> Error trashing file: Unable to find or create trash directory
[10:56] <brainwash> so, blame the one who upgraded the gvfs package! :)
[10:56] <elfy> :)
[10:57] <elfy> if I sudo gvfs-trash file - it works
[10:58] <elfy> mostly this is about it not being a Thunar bug :D
[10:58] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now, would have to dl the ubuntu iso
[10:58] <elfy> I've got Ubuntu and Lubuntu images up to date
[10:59] <elfy> I'll check them both now
[10:59] <elfy> if I get the same - I'll change it to gvfs
[11:01] <elfy> lol so Lubuntu does not have gvfs-trash installed
[11:07] <elfy> brainwash: thanks for changing package, added another comment - including that deleting a folder works as expected
[12:09] <bluesabre> good morning everyone
[12:12] <bluesabre> elfy: on the tracker, why do the upgrade tests use 20150416 and not 20150417.1?
[12:45] <elfy> bluesabre: not a clue - but spoke out in -release
[12:46] <elfy> that said, no downloads are available from the upgrade tests - so you'd need to grab a copy elsewhere, which would be 20150417.1
[12:55] <GridCube> oh... well then P: i still need to upgrade to utopic to try so maybe on monday it will be available ?
[12:56] <bluesabre> thanks elfy :)
[13:06] <elfy> GridCube: hope so
[13:06] <elfy> bbl
[13:06] <bluesabre> elfy...
[13:06] <elfy> bluesabre: yep?
[13:06] <bluesabre> just messing with you, go on, bbl :P
[13:06] <elfy> LOL
[13:06] <elfy> hatez you
[13:06] <bluesabre> :D
[13:07] <elfy> still think you broke the remove media button somehow :p
[13:09] <bluesabre> probably did
[13:09] <bluesabre> somehow
[13:09] <elfy> ha ha ha
[13:10] <elfy> well - really off now - have a good day :)
[13:15] <bluesabre> you too, seeya
[14:21] <slickymaster> hey everybody
[14:24] <Luyin> hi slickymaster
[14:25] <slickymaster> o/
[14:26] <Luyin> slickymaster: I cannot but think of hitler when you write this :D
[14:27] <slickymaster> blaarrrgh for sending the wrong message then Luyin :P
[14:28] <Luyin> ;)
[14:29] <slickymaster> :)
[14:40]  * drc is wondering which is more nerve wracking, release "when it's ready" and ready keeps slipping (debian, slackware) or "you WILL release on schedule" and then don't (cough, cough). :)
[16:13] <OvenWerks> Interesting bug in xfce as installed 14.04 (so it may be fixed by now) with regards to a second pannel on a two monitor setup.
[16:13] <OvenWerks> the second pannel is on the second (nonmaster) monitor.
[16:14] <OvenWerks> when choosing full screen for a window on the master screen, space is left for the pannel (that is not there) but on the second screen, part of it ends up under the pannel.


[03:29] <ScottK> ahoneybun: We use trello for that.
[03:30] <ScottK> https://trello.com/kubuntu
[06:06] <soee> good morning
[06:09] <smartboyhw> hi
[07:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:09] <Peace-> Hola
[10:11] <soee> Ohaio
[10:34] <Riddell> bon dia
[10:35] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: ?
[10:35] <Riddell> I'm learning catalunian
[10:35] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Heh, go ask dpm, he's an expert:P
[10:35] <smartboyhw_> Catalan:P
[10:35] <Riddell> this Kubuntu office is big
[10:35] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Photo?
[10:36]  * smartboyhw_ can't determine the size of an office without seeing.
[10:37] <Peace-> Riddell: funny bon dia is very similar to italian : buon di
[10:37] <smartboyhw_> Heh
[10:38] <smartboyhw_> What does it mean actually?
[10:38] <Peace-> good morning
[10:38] <Peace-> or maybe better
[10:38] <Riddell> Peace-: I'd expect that, it's all Latin
[10:38] <smartboyhw_> For me, good morning is 早安
[10:39] <Peace-> lol
[10:39] <smartboyhw_> Chinese (Traditional, Hong Kong): zh_HK
[10:39] <smartboyhw_> :P
[10:39] <Peace-> smartboyhw_:  i did a little bash script using google service :D
[10:40] <smartboyhw_> Peace-: :D
[10:40] <Peace-> smartboyhw_: http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php/golgu-translate?content=158355
[10:40] <Peace-> it's funny listen chinese
[10:40] <Peace-> xD
[10:41] <smartboyhw_> Peace-: LOL
[10:49] <smartboyhw_> Good one https://plus.google.com/100576607038615278264/posts/fXB1cucaDh5
[11:45] <ahoneybun> ScottK:  done :)
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> I'm back from the hollydays :D
[12:21] <Quintasan> \o
[12:22] <mikhas> hey Quintasan, how does the process work now, for making a new Maliit release (that would change some stuff) and updating the packages?
[12:23] <mikhas> would be good to have that documented somewhere on our wiki @ maliit.org …
[12:23] <Quintasan> hmm
[12:24] <Quintasan> mikhas: First you guys release something, put a tarball somewhere and bug someone (probably me or Laney) to make a package upgrade
[12:24] <Quintasan> Or you can bug me to update that in Ubuntu and I will pester Laney to upload that into Debian
[12:28] <Quintasan> mikhas: New realease soon or something?
[12:31] <mikhas> Quintasan, not sure whether it's "soon", but we are working on input context stuff which will conflict with the Maliit input context provided by Qt5 …
[12:31] <Quintasan> I see,
[12:31] <mikhas> so for packaging, this will be ugly
[12:31] <Quintasan> mikhas: Well, that shouldn't be much of an issue, we have a nice field Conflicts in debian/control
[12:31] <mikhas> and I wanted to know whether we need to find another solution instead
[12:31] <mikhas> ah
[12:31] <mikhas> and that's file-based?
[12:31] <Quintasan> It's package-based
[12:32] <Quintasan> say
[12:32] <mikhas> right
[12:32] <Quintasan> I have maliit-input-context-qt4
[12:32] <Quintasan> and m-i-c-qt5
[12:32] <Quintasan> I can make m-i-c-qt5 conflict with qt4 so one can't have both installed
[12:32] <Quintasan> mikhas: Is that what you want?
[12:33] <Quintasan> hell
[12:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: running saucy?
[12:34] <mikhas> something like that, but depends on how Qt5 is packaged
[12:35] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[12:35] <Quintasan> BluesKaj_: hi
[12:35] <BluesKaj_> hi Quintasan
[12:35] <Quintasan> mikhas: Yeah, that said I'll probably figure it on my own or ask Laney for help if things get complicated
[12:36] <mikhas> cool
[12:36] <mikhas> thanks!
[12:37] <Quintasan> mikhas: Keep up the good work on Maliit then :P
[12:37]  * Quintasan wants a Plasma powered tablet
[12:39]  * Quintasan switches to pbuilder dist
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nope
[13:23] <Quintasan> ehueheuheuehueheuheue
[13:23] <Quintasan> UPGRADING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
[13:23] <shadeslayer> pft
[13:24] <shadeslayer> we have a 100 Mbps line here
[13:24] <Quintasan> >implying you will be faster than me
[13:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Currently I'm in one of ISP's network
[13:24] <Quintasan> 1Gbps lol
[13:24] <Quintasan> sup
[13:24] <shadeslayer> :S
[13:24] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: ^^
[13:25] <shadeslayer> WE NEED MORE INTERNETS
[13:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: But I can't torrent in here
[13:26] <shadeslayer> aw
[13:26] <shadeslayer> afiestas_ is looking at the facebooks
[13:26] <Quintasan> You'd better implement renaming contacts in KTP shadeslayer
[13:27] <Quintasan> :P
[13:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: u r very saucy today
[13:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Why, thank you
[13:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: There was someone looking for you in #kde-multimedia
[13:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why cant you do the torrenz?
[13:27] <apachelogger> I got lost
[13:27] <apachelogger> dunno why
[13:27] <apachelogger> total disconnect on the core
[13:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: My friend is working at a certain ISP and I'm there with him, at least for 30 minutes more
[13:31] <apachelogger> isn't @ISP the best place to do the downloadery? Oo
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1177399
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you accept kscreen, stupid stupid mistake while backporting :/
[14:38] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Thanks
[14:39] <ScottK> Don't see it yet.
[14:39] <shadeslayer> just uploaded it 30 seconds ago
[14:39] <shadeslayer> should be there in another minute or so
[14:40]  * shadeslayer test built it in a clean pbuilder to make sure it works this time
[14:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: should be there now
[14:40]  * ScottK looks
[14:41] <markey> folks, before unleashing KDE 4.10.3 upon the world, you might want to consider this bug:
[14:41] <markey> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319137
[14:41] <markey> makes applications crash on exit, makes plasma crash, and whatnot
[14:41] <shadeslayer> yeah, mgrasselin mentioned that a few times
[14:41] <markey> get a patch from graesslin, then release
[14:41] <markey> IMO
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[14:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You'll need to re-upload using -v so the bug shows up in .changes.
[14:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: using -v ?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> dput -v ubuntu foo.changes?
[14:43] <markey> for Amarok we are getting at least one bug report per day (already), due to this plasma regression
[14:43] <markey> that's only from SuSE users
[14:44]  * Riddell adds to saucy merges trello board
[14:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No dpkg-buildpakcage -S -v$VERSION_IN_THE_ARCHIVE
[14:45] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:45] <ScottK> (or debuild if you prefer)
[14:45] <markey> Riddell: btw, we will release Amarok 2.7.1 on the weekend (likely), a pure bugfix release without string changes or features
[14:45] <markey> will also contain this anti-crash fix
[14:46] <Riddell> markey: any important bugfixes to justify a backport to 13.04?
[14:46] <markey> sec
[14:47] <markey> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5651352/
[14:47] <markey> it's not much
[14:47] <markey> the really important thing is just this crash fix
[14:47] <markey> not worth backporting  otherwise
[14:48] <Riddell> so put it into a PPA along with 4.10.3 maybe
[14:52] <markey> oh nice, here is already a patch for the Plasma bug: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/110382/
[14:54] <Riddell> Mamarok: if we were to take over medibuntu do you know any good hosts in switzerland?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: better now?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> the man page doesn't explain it properly
[15:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No http://launchpadlibrarian.net/139568239/kscreen_0.0.92-0ubuntu0.2_source.changes
[15:06] <shadeslayer> bah, what's going wrong here :/
[15:06] <ScottK> You want to use the version before the one you want in changes
[15:06] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at the .changes before you upload again.
[15:07] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/741194/
[15:08] <ScottK> You should also be using -v for any merges so that all the versions from Debian show up in your .changes as well.
[15:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer That's it.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[15:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: How did you let him graduate from minion status without knowing about -v?
[15:10] <apachelogger> good question considering it is mentioned like once a month on the ubuntu-devel ml :/
[15:11]  * ScottK waits for "I was busy with exams".
[15:11] <apachelogger> ololo
[15:12] <shadeslayer> probably missed that info somewhere?
[15:13] <Riddell> anyone see what's wrong with kdevelop going into saucy release? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[15:17] <ScottK> Riddell: develop-custom-buildsystem needs update.
[15:17] <ScottK> develop/kdevelop
[15:18] <Riddell> ooh I see, it depends on kdevplatform6-libs which is no more
[15:18] <ScottK> Riddell: This is the relevant bit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5651428/
[15:18] <Riddell> this thing is clever
[15:19] <ScottK> Britney is a genius, just not a great communicator.
[15:19] <Riddell> yeah I saw that and I installed kdevelop-custom-buildsystem and it was fine but of course it would be
[15:19] <ScottK> Yeah, Britney assumes any NBS binaries don't exist when she checks.
[15:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: #1176464 is finally retraced.  Does it now give any information on if the patch you gave me is the right one or not?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uploaded kscreen btw
[15:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I saw.  I was waiting for LP to have a diff.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:35] <shadeslayer> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/139569712/kscreen_0.0.92-0ubuntu0.1_0.0.92-0ubuntu0.2.diff.gz :P
[15:35] <ScottK> Yeah.  Accepted.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> thanks a ton
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Is 4.10.3 in? yofel?
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's not the wrong one, none of my pim mates are around though
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: perhaps you should simply carry this upstream?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what's the software that checks new upstream versions called?
[15:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uscan?
[15:39] <Riddell> watch?
[15:39] <Riddell> uehs
[15:39] <smartboyhw> uscan
[15:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bzr co lp:dehs
[15:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: I can't explain it.
[15:39] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:39] <smartboyhw> With debian/watch :P
[15:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: what are your settings btw?
[15:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Which ones?  It's set up for disconnected IMAP.
[15:41] <ScottK> I have several IMAP accounts set up with identical settings and only this one crashes.
[15:42] <ScottK> But this one is over 200 Mb and almost 20K messages.
[15:43] <apachelogger> meh
[15:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: same server (software) too?
[15:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Same provider on the same server (several of them anyway)
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.1_raring.html
[15:44] <shadeslayer> that thing ^^
[15:44] <apachelogger> super strange
[15:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I suggest you report this upstream
[15:44] <apachelogger> the thing is... the patch fixes the crash
[15:45] <apachelogger> it does not resolve the underlying issue of why it runs into an error to begin with
[15:46] <ScottK> OK.
[15:46] <ScottK> Not crashing is an improvement.
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: so kdev-python in New is interesting licence wise
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: it has (temporarily) an embedded python in it so I copied and pasted from python
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: in debian/copyright
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: and it has a mix of various things
[15:56] <Riddell> various licences elsewhere
[15:57] <ScottK> For Python, the embedding is permanent.  For Python3, it'll go away with python3.4.
[15:57] <Riddell> which upstream says is now all GPL 2
[15:57] <Riddell> (after I told him about kde's policy)
[15:57] <Riddell> so he's changing those now in git but says we can copy them under gpl 2 right away, so I put that in d/copyright
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: so it's in New now for your contemplation
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/sftp-uploads
[16:19] <yofel> Quintasan: running saucy yes
[16:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's up with 4.10.1 ?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> huh?
[16:20] <yofel> see ~half an hour ago
[16:20] <yofel> unless you meant to link to 4.10.3
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[16:20] <shadeslayer> that
[16:20] <shadeslayer> me, Harald and Jonathan were discussing something
[16:20] <yofel> 4.10.3 is done except for an ABI bump in kde-workspace and some missing files elsewhere
[16:21] <yofel> I'll finish that later
[16:21] <shadeslayer> we were discussing dehs stuff, and then that led to discussing parsing build output
[16:22] <yofel> ah
[16:22] <shadeslayer> and I mentioned that we can just use some of the existing stuff to parse build output
[16:24] <yofel> anything that you consider missing? or was it about something else?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Actually, since it's pretty complete, which is why we were considering just using that script instead of writing more code
[16:25] <shadeslayer> s/since//
[16:25] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "Actually,  it's pretty complete, which is why we were considering just using that script instead of writing more code"
[16:27] <shadeslayer> argh
[16:27] <shadeslayer> stupid locales
[16:27] <shadeslayer> screwed up everything
[16:34] <Mamarok> Riddell: infomaniak.ch are very good
[16:34] <Mamarok> also depends on what services you want/need
[16:35]  * apachelogger looks at yofel
[16:38] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm, no root on server though?
[16:39] <debfx> about dehs: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm already tracks the upstream version
[16:40] <Mamarok> Riddell: hm, I would have to look around for that, then
[16:40] <debfx> although admittedly the package list needs updating
[16:42] <Riddell> debfx: cor, none of us knew about that
[16:42] <Riddell> debfx: is the source somewhere?
[16:43] <debfx> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-web
[16:44] <Riddell> golly
[16:49] <debfx> it might be a good idea to just rent a server and register a domain to centralize our qa tools
[16:55] <vHanda> Riddell: https://sourceforge.net/projects/soprano/files/Soprano/2.9.2/ please test when you have a chance? Sorry about bugging you so much - I think I've gotten the hang of this.
[16:56] <Riddell> it is occationally mentioned that kubuntu should get a server but so far no killer reason to make it so
[16:56] <Riddell> maybe medibuntu will be one
[17:10]  * Riddell uploads soprano, who says kubutu is slow!
[17:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: why in Switzerland? Some legal reason?
[17:24] <Riddell> Mamarok: yeah, word on the streets is that's a good place for medibuntu hosting which blue systems is currently considering taking over
[17:24] <Mamarok> OK, makes sense, then
[17:25] <Mamarok> so what requirements do you have? Just so I can ask around what would be a good hoster
[17:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: something I can ssh into and host web stuff on
[17:26] <Riddell> and prefereably run ubuntu
[17:29] <Mamarok> OK
[17:29] <Mamarok> would a server running Debian be OK, too?
[17:31] <Riddell> Mamarok: sure
[17:37] <Genyar> Are you guys the Kubuntu experts?
[17:37]  * Riddell looks around
[17:37] <Genyar> Am I in the right channel for troubleshooting Kubuntu?
[17:38] <apachelogger> that'd be #kubuntu
[17:38] <Genyar> Im in the wrong channel?
[17:38] <BluesKaj_> apachelogger, he was just there , his question rather obscure so I figured you guys would jnow
[17:39] <Genyar> I can get more specific
[17:39] <Genyar> 'm using Kubuntu 11.04, and I am a Windows user who is still trying to get used to Linux.
[17:39] <BluesKaj_> Genyar, just describe what you want
[17:39] <BluesKaj_> to do
[17:40] <apachelogger> Genyar: please upgrade, 11.04 is no longer supported
[17:40] <Genyar> I was going to upgrade yesterday
[17:40] <Genyar> But I want to solve this problem first
[17:40] <Genyar> But I made a stupid mistake early this morning when I was trying to create a new Yahoo email account.  Because I got a security warning from Mozilla about third party visibility, I switched to using Reconq as my Web Browser.  Then I registered a new Yahoo email account, and late in the registration process, Yahoo told me I need to update, upgrade and download some stuff in order to gain full access to the functionality of
[17:40] <Genyar>  the website I was using.
[17:40] <BluesKaj_> oops i didn't know it was 11.04
[17:41] <apachelogger> Genyar: 11.04 is not supported.
[17:41] <Genyar> so, you can't help me?
[17:41] <apachelogger> yes, please upgrade.
[17:41] <Genyar> Yesterday it was safe to upgrade
[17:41] <BluesKaj_> my apologies , this isn't what was asked in #kubuntu
[17:42] <Genyar> Today it is no longer safe to upgrade
[17:42] <BluesKaj_> says who ?
[17:42] <Genyar> Because my Home directory may have been compromised
[17:42] <apachelogger> yeah, this is not support channel regardless, please switch to #kubuntu
[17:43] <Genyar> I want to back up my Home directory before I upgrade to 12.04
[17:43] <ScottK> That's definitely a #kubuntu discussion.
[17:43] <Genyar> ok
[17:45]  * yofel looks back at apachelogger
[17:46] <apachelogger> yofel: <3
[17:47] <Genyar> It appears there are no Kubuntu experts in the Kubuntu channel, I asked
[17:47] <Genyar> But I'm not using Kubuntu to solve my problem
[17:47] <Genyar> I'm using UNIX to solve my problem
[17:48] <ScottK> You could actually ask that question in #ubuntu too.
[17:48] <ScottK> (for that reason)
[17:48] <Genyar> Is there a UNIX channel here?
[17:48] <ScottK> More people there.
[17:48] <Genyar> ok
[18:04] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1178748] package libqt4-dbus 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: impossible d'installer le ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178748 (by craff)
[18:09] <ahoneybun> ScottK: https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs/518cda9db0af525f3600459d
[18:09] <ahoneybun> no this one https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-raring-ringtail/518cda9db0af525f3600459d
[18:09] <Riddell> "This board may be private. If someone gave you this link, they may need to invite you to one of their boards or organizations."
[18:09] <apachelogger> that looks wrong
[18:10] <apachelogger> ahoneybun is also not member of kubuntu on trello
[18:10] <Riddell> hmm
[18:10] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-raring-ringtail/518cda9db0af525f3600459d fixed
[18:10] <Riddell> ahoneybun: does following https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101 help?
[18:11] <ahoneybun> what make it public or to add you guys to it?
[18:11] <Riddell> dunno, I haven't quite worked out the permissions on trello
[18:12] <ahoneybun> can you see it?
[18:12] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what's your e-mail for trello?
[18:12] <Riddell> I'll add you to the kubuntu group
[18:12] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[18:12] <ahoneybun><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:13] <Riddell> ahoneybun: added you to https://trello.com/kubuntu
[18:13] <ahoneybun> awesome ;)
[18:13] <Riddell> then follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101 I think
[18:13] <ahoneybun> I need to be a admin?
[18:14] <Riddell> dunno I just did that to be on the safe side
[18:14] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[18:14] <Riddell> don't abuse it, remember what spiderman said!
[18:14] <ahoneybun> I had no need for it so I will not
[18:15] <ahoneybun> :) I'm here to help not hurt
[18:16] <apachelogger> fixy fixy, they are all my powers
[18:16] <apachelogger> muhahahaha
[18:16] <ahoneybun> I think I should try to put it in the wiki one
[18:19] <ahoneybun> I added it to the Kubuntu page
[18:19] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I'm not sure you've organised the board as trello intends it
[18:20] <Riddell> the vertical columns are normally todo, in progress and done or something similar
[18:20] <ahoneybun> yea I know I just tried to get it some way that looks right to me
[18:20] <Riddell> so you can move items between them as they get done
[18:20] <ahoneybun> but I have like 3-5 xml files per page
[18:20] <ahoneybun> so I needed a way to look at it that way
[18:20] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101#Creating_a_New_Board
[18:20] <ahoneybun> yea... I know
[18:24] <ahoneybun> fixing it
[18:26] <soee> hiho
[18:26] <ahoneybun> soee: hello
[18:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: so have lots of items in the todo list, or use sub-items for each item?
[18:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the saucy packaging board uses lots of items in the todo list
[18:27] <ahoneybun> yea
[18:28] <ahoneybun> sub items?
[18:29] <apachelogger> you can have a checklist on a card
[18:31] <ahoneybun> I see
[18:31] <Riddell> whatever works best for you
[18:31] <ahoneybun> make it work good for us all
[18:35] <yofel> some input please:
[18:35] <yofel> in kde-workspace, libkwinglutils1abi1.symbols has been broken since 4.9.80 it seems tracking abi2 in what's in fact abi1.
[18:35] <yofel> Since we're already shipping the different abi as abi1 in the release, I would just fix the symbol file to say abi1 again so there's no full-symbol diff in the buildlog anymore.
[18:35] <yofel> any reason why I shouldn't do that?
[18:37] <apachelogger> none IMO
[18:38] <Riddell> I wonder how that could happen
[18:38] <Riddell> but yeah just fix the symbol file
[18:38] <skellat> Riddell, may I ask briefly if those of us in the Xubuntu camp may be able to talk about access to the Mumble server your team used last UDS?  We're thinking about taking our blueprints and shifting outside the UDS hours so we can accommodate our team a little better.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:39] <shadeslayer> mmmmmm
[18:39] <yofel> ack
[18:40] <ahoneybun> Riddell:  apachelogger how about now?
[18:40] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-raring-ringtail/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[18:41] <yofel> skellat: I own that currently, and you can use it if you want and it works for you
[18:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks good, can you add some kubuntu people so we can edit it if needed?
[18:43] <skellat> yofel: Okay.  We're still looking at our options and trying to come to a decision hopefully either today or this weekend.  We've got a few other options we're looking at too.
[18:44] <ahoneybun> no problem :) who?
[18:44] <Riddell> me!
[18:44] <Riddell> Darkwing/david wonderly
[18:44] <Riddell> valorie too
[18:44] <ahoneybun> done
[18:44] <skellat> yofel: I will get back to you ASAP after I continue discussion further with knome.  Again, thank you.
[18:44] <yofel> skellat: the hostname is yofel-vz.dyndns.org, and has no password if you want to try it
[18:45] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=trello03.png
[18:45] <skellat> yofel: Thank you.
[18:45] <apachelogger> note that setting
[18:45] <ahoneybun> Riddell: is it not safe to add all the members?
[18:45] <apachelogger> if you set it we can join ourselfs ^^
[18:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yeah that would be fine too
[18:45] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: everyone you add will get a notification
[18:45]  * Riddell feels great responsiblity
[18:46] <apachelogger> so setting that option is preferred over adding everyone ^^
[18:46] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: done thanks
[18:46] <Riddell> skellat: what's the word on the street from xubuntu about Mir?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what about Kubuntu?
[18:47] <skellat> skellat: Haven't even talked about it yet.  That's going to be folded into our "Forward-Looking Issues" blueprint discussion.
[18:48] <skellat> s/skellat/Riddell/
[18:48] <kubotu> skellat meant: "Riddell: Haven't even talked about it yet.  That's going to be folded into our "Forward-Looking Issues" blueprint discussion."
[18:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/08/notes-breakout-sessions-mataro-sessions-ii has some notes from a discussion with KWin dude
[18:50] <ahoneybun> what is Weston?
[18:50] <yofel> the default wayland compositor (i.e. what kwin is for KDE)
[18:50] <yofel> for KDE/X
[18:50] <Riddell> you can install weston in raring and run it under X quite nicely
[18:51] <Riddell> comes with a basic desktop too
[18:51] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[18:51] <yofel> haven't played with wayland much yet. As I have mostly nvidia GPU's my interest in wayland is kinda limited so far
[18:52] <ahoneybun> that was my worry about picking Kubuntu as my KDE distro of choice with X/Wayland/Mir stuff going on
[18:52] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how do you make that blue text?
[18:53] <BluesKaj_> ahoneybun, it's a url link auto generates blue font
[18:54] <ahoneybun> no no that Riddell feels great responsiblity
[18:54] <ScottK> ahoneybun: Do /me the the text you want to say.
[18:54] <ScottK> s/the the/then the/
[18:54] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "ahoneybun: Do /me then the text you want to say."
[18:55]  * ahoneybun is downloading Left 4 Dead 2 beta on Linux
[18:55] <ScottK> There you go.
[18:56] <ahoneybun> thanks
[18:56] <ahoneybun> does it still say that I am away
[18:56] <ahoneybun> ?
[18:56] <BluesKaj_> oh yeah , forgot about that ...thought it was just my client text that was blue
[18:57] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: how can you make the checklist turn 100%>
[18:57] <yofel> ahoneybun: you're maked away here
[18:57] <yofel> ahoneybun: '/back' should fix that
[18:58] <ahoneybun>  still?
[18:58] <ahoneybun> I think that fixed
[18:58] <yofel> *now* it's fixed
[18:59] <ahoneybun> weird it show as the Nicks that I am back not after I put /back but the thing next to my text box has me still as away oh well
[19:00]  * ahoneybun is proud to have admin power
[19:01] <yofel> yeah, happens here too. Quassel isn't too great with being away ^^
[19:01] <ahoneybun> I see I'm on Quassel too
[19:12] <yofel> ScottK: could you take a look at bug 1174689 when you have time please? The raring SRU should be somewhere in the upload queue
[19:18] <soee> what is SRU ?
[19:18] <yofel> !sru
[19:25]  * yofel throws konqi figures after shadeslayer for not committing his kde4libs upload to bzr
[20:12] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1178748] package libqt4-dbus 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: impossible d'installer le ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178748 (by craff)
[20:16] <ScottK> yofel: I'm a little concerned about that SRU since it also drops lowfat, which seems a bit not like an SRU.
[20:17] <yofel> ScottK: huh? The SRU has none of Harald's changes
[20:17] <ScottK> yofel: Oh.  I'll look.
[20:17] <yofel> it's only code reordering
[20:20] <ScottK> yofel: Accepted.  Thanks.
[20:20] <yofel> yay


 SHALL! NOT! PASS!" :)
[08:18] <nigelb> lol
[09:23] <popey> morning ratfans
[09:23] <maco> popey: huh?
[09:43] <czajkowski> dholbach: where would I ask unity questions? in which irc channel
[09:43] <dholbach> #ayatana maybe?
[09:43] <czajkowski> thanks
[09:47]  * popey points czajkowski to jorges recent blog post about exactly this
[09:49] <czajkowski> popey: which post
[09:50] <nigelb> the one about bitesize I suppose
[09:50] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1#Installation
[09:54] <popey> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/2084859426/getting-started-working-on-unity
[09:54] <popey> no nigelb that one
[09:54] <popey> "Need help? Find us on #ayatana on Freenode, or the ayatana-dev mailing list."
[09:55] <nigelb> The "rock" icon totally rocks ;)
[10:26] <daker> kim0, Happy new year H
[11:02]  * kim0 kicks irssi crappy notifications (or lack of) hehe
[11:55] <AlanBell> maco: that is what Roland Rat used to say
[11:55] <AlanBell> maco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Rat
[15:02] <DoctorMO> Hmm, just heard the news about Matt leaving, nothing bad I hope?
[15:02] <nigelb> Moving to Strobe
[15:03]  * nigelb points DoctorMO toh ttp://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/12/08/leaving-canonical/
[15:03] <nigelb> err
[15:03] <nigelb> http://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/12/08/leaving-canonical/
[15:03] <czajkowski> he may now actually blog about ubuntu for once
[15:04] <kim0> hehe
[15:04] <kim0> anyone with more info on what strobe actually does
[15:05] <jcastro> haha "html5" and "open web"
[15:05] <kim0> :)
[15:06] <nigelb> kim0: touch applications based on html5 I think
[15:06] <czajkowski> ok my old uni area and students who are meant to be studyig this week clearly have way too much time on their hands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpmWdyxTx0
[15:07] <nigelb> "The company is using the money to build a platform for delivering touch-driven web applications, based around the open-source SproutCore framework and HTML5"
[15:07] <nigelb> kim0: ^^
[15:13] <kim0> nigelb: cool .. thanks man
[15:16]  * czajkowski does the 2 months to fosdem dance :D
[15:17]  * nigelb does the 3 more weekends for new year dance :p
[15:18]  * DoctorMO does the learning C by force deathly shuffle.
[15:19] <kim0> Isn't C written by minions
[15:45] <jcastro> DoctorMO: what's this In Protest thing about?
[15:55] <jono> hey all
[15:55] <jcastro> jono: in your blip settings there's a toggle to turn off ads
[15:56] <jcastro> unless you turned it on to get rich on unity videos, which is also fine, heh
[15:56] <jono> jcastro, lol
[15:56] <jono> I will switch it off
[15:56] <jcastro> I saw someone complaining on your blog about it
[15:57] <nigelb> how hypocrtic to complain about it
[15:57] <jcastro> I never understood the connection between OSS people and people who are anti-money
[15:57] <jcastro> seems like the ratio is all out of whack
[15:58] <jono> jcastro, people complain on my blog? no!
[15:58] <jcastro> "why would I want to buy Metallica on the store? Freedom is about getting what I want!"
[15:58] <jcastro> jono: you're an enabler!
[15:58] <jono> lol
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, jcastro, kim0: is it time? :)
[16:00] <jono> yup
[16:00] <jcastro> I need one more second!
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0 let's try mumble
[16:00] <jono> I am on a new net connection so it might work better
[16:00] <jcastro> ok
[16:00] <jcastro> lol
[16:01] <jcastro> I was just reinstalling skype etc. to prove it wasn't me this time
[16:01] <dholbach> oh wow - hell froze over!
[16:01]  * dholbach hugs jono
[16:01] <kim0> hehe
[16:01] <jcastro> Fine, I'll use mumble, even though it's free software!
[16:01] <jono> lol
[16:01] <jono> if it sucks we go back to skype
[16:02] <nigelb> lol
[16:02] <jcastro> hold on I am trying to move myself to the right room
[16:28] <DoctorMO> jcastro: You can only change your name once a month on stack exchange, kinda funny.
[16:40] <popey> i keep forgetting to logon to askubuntu
[17:49] <nigelb> oh dear god, a recipe in a commit message
[17:49] <nigelb> http://git.gnome.org/browse/banshee/commit/?id=ff2601c4cee5608068f3204973651b5f9c72974e
[17:50] <scott-work> lol nigelb
[21:11] <duanedesign> czajkowski: i am rendering *the* screencast :) i'll get you the link...in a minute or two.
[21:11] <duanedesign> well..it says 20 minutes
[21:54] <dinda> jono: ping
[21:54] <jono> dinda, howdy
[21:54] <dinda> jono: not sure if you saw the email about a group looking for FOSS people to appear on a TV show in the Bay Area
[21:55] <jono> dinda, yeah, saw that, will get to it
[21:55] <dinda> jono: ok, great, thanks
[21:55] <jono> thanks!
[22:01] <jcastro> Joeb454: Technoviking: Hey, I think it's about time I rename my forum account to my actual name instead of a Sega game from 1990
[22:01] <jcastro> how can I do this?
[22:01] <Joeb454> jcastro: I suppose 'for the record', make a post in the RC
[22:01]  * Joeb454 gets a link
[22:01] <jcastro> RC?
[22:02] <Joeb454> Resolution Center
[22:02] <Joeb454> jcastro: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=123
[22:02] <jcastro> wow!
[22:02] <jcastro> you mean I could have just asked there the whole time?
[22:03] <Joeb454> yep :)
[22:03] <Joeb454> jcastro: unfortunately, jcastro is already taken
[22:03] <jcastro> castrojo?
[22:03]  * Joeb454 looks
[22:03] <popey> is jcastro actually being used though?
[22:04] <Joeb454> popey: doesn't look like it, but I can't rename the account, in the event that they decide to come back
[22:04] <jcastro> if it is the person is probably good looking
[22:05] <Joeb454> jcastro: castrojo is available (with the question mark too, if you want ;) )
[22:05] <jcastro> hah
[22:05] <jcastro> ok I will post
[22:06] <popey> is deludedcastro available?
[22:06] <Joeb454> popey: yep
[22:06] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10216368#post10216368
[22:06] <jcastro> is "sideys" available? :)
[22:06]  * Joeb454 notes rather high server load :|
[22:06] <jcastro> or "blamepopey"?
[22:06] <Joeb454> yes x2
[22:07] <jcastro> I was just kidding
[22:07] <jcastro> I now feel like an opportunity to misuse "fakejonobacon" has passed me by
[22:07] <Joeb454> I know, but while I was there, I figured it wouldn't hurt to check :P
[22:08]  * Joeb454 performs incantation
[22:08] <jcastro> woo hoo!
[22:08] <jcastro> I see it now
[22:08] <jcastro> thanks!
[22:08] <Joeb454> np
[22:09] <jcastro> popey: this is stuff our kids will have to deal with. When I was growing up I didn't have to care about my personal namespace on the internet
[22:09] <jcastro> "oh I better save @jorge on such and such."
[22:09] <popey> thats why i have popey.com
[22:10] <popey> also, "our kids".. something you want to tell us jcastro ? :)
[22:10] <popey> mind you it'll be holographic 3d domains by then
[22:10] <jcastro> nope!
[22:10] <Joeb454> awkwaaaaaaard
[22:10] <jcastro> I just have a cat!
[23:06] <pleia2> jono: the full address from Christian is http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2010-December/004701.html (the .html fell off the end there)
[23:07] <jono> thanks pleia2
[23:36] <czajkowski> aloha


[00:00] <tumbleweed> this package you are working on uses quilt. So if you touch the upstream source (i.e. outside /debian) you need to do so with a quilt patch
[00:00] <xteejx> Oh hang on...I just noticed /deb/patches/deb-changes-version
[00:00] <tumbleweed> this is why it generated a quilt patch for you
[00:00] <xteejx> tumbleweed: Right I understand, but what I don't get is _how_ do I do that?
[00:01] <tumbleweed> first it helps if you are aware that this is going to happen, so that you can create the patch with quilt rather than have it create it for you
[00:01] <xteejx> tumbleweed: I think I've got it on my own, cn I pastebin you the diff?
[00:01] <tumbleweed> have a look at that wiki page again now
[00:01] <tumbleweed> sure
[00:02] <xteejx> I redone it again from scratch and used quilt to make a new one and refresh, rebuild, redebdiff
[00:02] <xteejx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/517741/
[00:03] <xteejx> It looks like a "normal" one now
[00:04] <tumbleweed> that's better. Bonus points now is a DEP3 header on the patch. http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[00:04] <xteejx> Bloody hell, I've had a couple of drinks I shouldn't be doing this :P
[00:04] <xteejx> I'll take a look :)
[00:04] <tumbleweed> Also, instead of "debian/patches:" in your changelog entry just put teh patch name, "libs.patch"
[00:04] <tumbleweed> err libs.diff
[00:04] <xteejx> Ok :)
[00:04] <tumbleweed> yeah I've been out tonight too :P
[00:05] <xteejx> hehe
[00:05] <xteejx> Nah, I'm still drinking at home, so much cheaper
[00:08] <xteejx> tumbleweed: That page is REALLY confusing, I can't make anything of it
[00:09] <tumbleweed> it helps if you've seen an example
[00:10] <xteejx> I've seen the examples at the bottom but they're not much use
[00:10] <tumbleweed> Look in your previous debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57986452/debdiff
[00:10] <tumbleweed> you can see it has a description, an author, and it links to the bug
[00:10] <tumbleweed> the only issue is that the description is long and not very useful
[00:12] <xteejx> So copy and paste desc, author, bug-ubuntu to the top of libs.diff?
[00:12] <xteejx> And amend those as needed?
[00:12] <tumbleweed> well, not necessarily copy-paste, but that's an example of what you want
[00:12] <xteejx> But where does it go?
[00:13] <tumbleweed> in the top of the patch, before the first hunk
[00:13] <xteejx> So after Index: ... but before [00:14] <xteejx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/517749/ libs.diff
[00:14] <tumbleweed> actually both index and [00:15] <xteejx> So it goes right at the top?
[00:16] <tumbleweed> yup
[00:16] <xteejx> no # for comments or anything, just plain insert?
[00:16] <xteejx> well amending things that need it obviously
[00:16] <tumbleweed> correct
[00:16] <xteejx> another hard way of doing something relatively simple ;)
[00:16] <tumbleweed> "quilt header -e" is an easy way to edit this
[00:19] <xteejx> tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/517751/ what do we think? :)
[00:19] <tumbleweed> looks great
[00:19] <xteejx> time to rebuild and redebdiff :)
[00:23] <xteejx> ok, bug 664662 updated :)
[00:23] <xteejx> and _should_ be done correctly
[00:24] <xteejx> tumbleweed: As usual, thank you for the great help :D
[00:24] <xteejx> It's not that difficult really when you get into it, probably helps I learn quite quick
[00:27] <tumbleweed> xteejx: no problem. BTW don't report debian bugs as FTBFSs (with RC severities) unless they ftbfs on debian
[00:29] <xteejx> oh :S
[00:29] <tumbleweed> As an ubuntu dev contributing upstream, you want to be helpful, not an irritation :)
[00:29] <xteejx> Just report ftbfs and leave the severity?
[00:29] <tumbleweed> well, in this case it's only going to be an issue when debian has binutils-gold
[00:29] <maxb> Well, only report a Debian bug if there's a bug in Debian :-)
[00:30] <tumbleweed> maxb: debian *is* collecting binutils-gold bugs
[00:30] <xteejx> So how should we forward patches? I mean the ideal subject line?
[00:30] <tumbleweed> but they aren't RC because tehy aren't failures yet
[00:31] <xteejx> PKG fails to build from source in Ubuntu << ??
[00:31] <tumbleweed> xteejx: see these ones<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:32] <xteejx> when it loads..... :P
[00:32] <tumbleweed> no, the debian maintainer quite likely isn't interested in hearing that ubuntu has a problem.
[00:34] <xteejx> tumbleweed: So "at the moment"
[00:34] <xteejx> oops
[00:34] <xteejx> So at the moment, FTBFS withbinutils-gold is a good subject line if it's a linker prob?
[00:34] <xteejx> if I type it right of course ;)
[00:35] <tumbleweed> sounds good, and even better, usertag the bug like the other ones
[00:35] <xteejx> as in?
[00:36] <tumbleweed> http://wiki.debian.org/bugs.debian.org/usertags
[00:36] <tumbleweed> you can see it in the psuedo-headers of those bugs
[00:36] <xteejx> ohh Tags: patch
[00:37] <tumbleweed> no, Usertag
[00:37] <xteejx> no-add-needed?
[00:37] <tumbleweed> yeah, but it also needs the corrosponding user
[00:38] <xteejx> Huh?
[00:38] <tumbleweed> debian's BTS has predefined global tags (like patch) and user tags. You can make up any tag you want, and associate it with your e-mail address. In this case, binutils-gold bugs are being tagged no-add-needed, against the address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:39] <xteejx> So I shouldn't use no-add-needed because he'll be pi**ed off at being emailed??
[00:39] <xteejx> I don't get you
[00:40] <tumbleweed> no, it doesn't have anything to do with e-mailing him
[00:40] <tumbleweed> it's just a way to let everyone make up their own tags.
[00:40] <xteejx> Do I *have* to use the usertags?
[00:40] <tumbleweed> it is helpful to tag related bugs like that, that's how I was able to show you that list
[00:41] <tumbleweed> anyway, off to bed. night.
[00:41] <xteejx> lol goodnight mate, thanks again :)
[06:33] <paultag> are we pulling from unstable or testing for natty?
[06:34] <micahg> paultag: unstable
[06:34] <paultag> micahg, awesome, thanks.
[06:35] <micahg> paultag: you can even request from experimental if need be
[06:38] <paultag> micahg, nah, it's OK. I just got a packaged uploaded to deb, so I was trying to think ahead for the sync
[07:47] <dholbach> Good morning!
[12:21] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: do you planning merge package db in universe?
[12:21] <ari-tczew> It waiting so long for merge
[12:24] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: yes, I do
[12:24] <ari-tczew> cool
[12:25] <cjwatson> and to forestall future questions, I plan to do all my merges :)
[12:25] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: during natty?
[12:25] <cjwatson> yes.
[12:25] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: I suggest to comment on MoM, that you will do this merge, where are you as a last uploader
[12:26] <cjwatson> no need; that is implicit.
[12:27] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: I just want to avoid questions like mine some minutes ago :)
[12:27] <cjwatson> I'm not going to waste time adding comments to every one of my merges; sorry.  I'd rather spend time doing merges, which I am actively doing right now
[12:29] <cjwatson> besides, I don't get that many questions about it
[12:30] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ok, I didn't want being you an upset
[12:31] <cjwatson> you didn't
[12:39] <ScottK> ari-tczew: The way to avoid such questions is not to ask them.  Up until DIF, if someone is active in the project, you should assume they will do their merges.  It would, however, be valuable to seek out merges of people who have are not active in the project anymore and have sat there for a while.  Pinging those people would be useful.
[12:42] <ari-tczew> ScottK: and I practice this one. when I see that latest merge is done by John Don (it's an example), then I'm owning this merge
[12:43] <ari-tczew> hmmm, python3.2 is blocking builder
[12:45] <ScottK> ari-tczew: John Dong?
[12:46] <ari-tczew> ScottK: John Doe. my typo
[12:53] <Rhonda> Who will I have to talk to about packages.ubuntu.com updates? It seems like djpig is still not responding/reachable at all unfortunately, and I'd be interested to get the service updated nevertheless. People started to address me with respect to screenshots addition, e.g.
[13:05] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: do you want to be a maintainer of packages.ubuntu.com? would be nice!
[13:05] <ari-tczew> it has to be updated for natty
[13:06] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: The commits are already done.
[13:08] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: and what's the next step? approve by admin?
[13:09] <Rhonda> That's my question about. Frank, who seems to be the only person having access (appart from canonical sysadmin team of course) didn't respond since over a year.
[13:10] <Rhonda> Alright, probably less than a year, but not much
[13:10] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: so... let's ask canonical sysadmins :)
[13:11] <ari-tczew> or maybe dholbach knows? ^^
[13:18] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: you don't use syncpackage?
[13:51] <tumbleweed> BlackZ: err I've just uploaded qtiplot (which you've just marked in progress)
[13:55] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: heh, no problem ;)
[13:55] <ScottK> ari-tczew: If you want to steal xine-lib, feel free.
[13:55] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I tried this one some time ago and it's not for me. :)
[13:56] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I can take a look on FTBFS as we had discussion some time ago, do you remember?
[13:56] <ScottK> OK.
[13:56] <ScottK> I vaguely remember.
[13:57] <ari-tczew> ScottK: adding libs to LDFLAGS. if you have more, ping me
[14:03] <ScottK> OK.
[14:09] <eagles0513875> ScottK: do you have a min to hop into kubuntu-offtopic someone has a serious show stopper kernel issue with maverick
[14:10] <eagles0513875> nm hes here :)
[14:10] <eagles0513875> welcome BluesKaj :)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> howdy folks , dpkg locks my system trying to install a kernel module/linix image that seems non-existent ...any ideas?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hi eagles0513875
[14:12] <BluesKaj> does linux-image <IP_ADDRESS> generic actually exist ?
[14:13] <eagles0513875> if i am not mistaken it exists on lucid
[14:13] <eagles0513875> let me hop on my server
[14:13] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: its a lucid kernel
[14:14] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: and you basically upgraded from lucid to mav
[14:14]  * eagles0513875 always runs into issues with the upgrades
[14:14] <ScottK> eagles0513875: It's really a support question and not an area I'm an expert in.
[14:15] <eagles0513875> ScottK: i know Riddell is probably swamped with work but is he around to help him possibly
[14:15] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i forgot entierly there is an ubuntu-kernel channel
[14:16] <BluesKaj> this was on maverick, I did the alterhnate install to / ,  due to the fact my new graphics card required it, there weren't any proper drivers available
[14:19] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you check why package earcandy is not getting by MoM?
[14:23] <geser> ari-tczew: it is, on https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html
[14:26] <ScottK> geser: It would be useful to have a link to that page off m.u.c.  I didn't even know that existed.
[14:28] <geser> ScottK: I guess the index listing on m.u.c doesn't count (the other components have a "manual" page too)
[14:29] <Laney> What determines whether a merge lands on that page?
[14:31] <ari-tczew> what is m.u.c?
[14:31] <Laney> merges.ubuntu.com
[14:31] <ari-tczew> so MoM
[14:31] <geser> Laney: based on the versions on that page, my guess is those are packages which were packaged in Ubuntu first
[14:31] <Laney> yes
[14:32] <Laney> geser: yeah, looks that way doesn't it?
[14:32] <Laney> Would have thought there'd be more though
[14:32] <persia> manual merges are ones where the automerger just broke.
[14:32] <persia> Usually orig conflicts, or weird version changes, etc.
[14:33] <persia> (there's a correlation with things in Ubuntu first, but not a direct causation)
[14:35] <cjwatson> that's not quite right
[14:35] <cjwatson> manual merges are ones where there's no base version
[14:35] <cjwatson> i.e. the Debian and Ubuntu packages share no common history
[14:37] <cjwatson> thus is my understanding anyway
[14:37] <tumbleweed> which would happen with packages that were in Ubuntu first and Ubuntu hasn't merged / synced from debian yet
[14:39] <persia> Also happens for stuff that has been merged once sometimes, if the changelogs are sufficiently confusing.
[14:39] <Laney> ah, it resolves using the changelog
[14:40] <dholbach> ari-tczew, no, I don't know
[14:40] <persia> I believe so.  I may be mistaken.
[14:44] <cjwatson> ScottK: I've added links.
[14:55] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[15:23] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: how it's going about gnustep-base? I see that you've already sync'd it. what about rebuilds?
[15:24] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: it needs to clear binary NEW on all architectures first, then -gui and -back have to be built (and clear bin-NEW again), after that rebuilds can start
[15:25] <DktrKranz> yeah, it's a bit complicated :)
[15:25] <debfx> Riddell: I just stumble across bug #607094
[15:26] <debfx> if it's ok with you, I can sync it
[15:27] <persia> debfx, Better to let archive-admins do syncs.
[15:27] <persia> (Yes, this would be nice to fix, but LP doesn't support it yet, and the hack requires cleanup afterwards)
[15:27] <debfx> persia: why?
[15:28] <persia> Something to do with how the archive is constructed on the archive master.
[15:28] <persia> I'm not an archive admin, and don't understand the details, but I've been told this continuously since I first thought it would be nifty to hack Origin back in feisty.
[15:28] <persia> I know there's ongoing work to make it so we can just press a button and LP does all the right stuff, but it's not ready yet.
[15:29] <persia> So for now, best practice is just to file confirmed bugs and subscribe the archive-admins.
[15:29] <debfx> what's the disadvantage of syncpackage?
[15:29] <tumbleweed> debfx: there's a concern that it's an unecessary round-trip trhough a developer's personal machine
[15:29] <persia> It messes up some indices somewhere and requires someone to sort them out.
[15:30] <persia> Sorting it out isn't hard, but still.
[15:31] <debfx> well either it's acceptable to use syncpackage or it should be removed from ubuntu-dev-tools
[15:31] <persia> If you want all the grubby details, the folk in #launchpad might know, and a fair number of them were raised in the discussion about syncpackage by some of the archive admins who responded.
[15:31] <tumbleweed> persia: that suprises me (never heard anything about this before) - but I also don't know the archive internals. archive-admins also tend to be quiet whenever anyone brings syncpackage up
[15:32] <persia> Nobody wants to have the argument.  Technically, it's not that much harder for an archive admin to clean up later than to perform the syncs in the first place.
[15:32] <Riddell> debfx: this is an on-going debate, there's no paticular problem with syncpackage but some people feel it might increase the chance of a problem occuring
[15:32] <persia> tumbleweed, Yeah, archive admins tend to be busy and not want to get into the argument as to why it's a bad idea.
[15:33] <tumbleweed> persia: fair enough. But it does seem odd that we have a tool that we 'shouldn't" use
[15:33] <Riddell> debfx: I'm happy for it to be synced
[15:33] <persia> We've had the tool since edgy or so.  We kept it out of ubuntu-dev-tools for the longest time, but someone stuck it in after discussion during which nobody listened to the archive-admins.
[15:34] <tumbleweed> well, it is of course useful for fake syncs
[15:37] <tumbleweed> I really think we should add a warning section to the manpage, listing the concerns, not FUD, then we don't have to have this discussion every other month
[15:44] <persia> For fake syncs, we shouldn't be using it anyway.  Fake syncs should be Origin: Ubuntu.
[15:44] <persia> Anything else falsely implies we got the package from Debian.
[15:47] <tumbleweed> if it adds origin: debian when fakesyncing that would be a bug (I don't know that offhand)
[15:48] <ScottK> syncpackage wasn't designed for fakesyncs
[15:51] <tumbleweed> of course. Personally I used it because I wasn't compelled by the arguments against using it, ack-sync made it mostly-safe and convenient, it would save archive-admin time, and it would get the sync done now (which is an issue around freezes)
[15:52] <tumbleweed> however archive-admins don't complain about not having time, and ack-sync now can ack without syncpackage-ing
[15:53] <persia> And archive-admins often pay special attention to seeded syncs during freezes (unseeded syncs get delayed, but they are rarely as time-critical)
[15:59] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you remove nvidia-settings from MoM/main ?
[16:01] <debfx> tumbleweed: what's ack-sync?
[16:01] <tumbleweed> debfx: it's in ubuntu-dev-tools source package, a tool that pulls source, test-builds, and asks you if you want to ACK
[16:02] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: quiet?  hmm.  I complained about it nearly every time it was brought up for quite a while.  I gave up because who wants to be the guy who just sits there complaining all the time?
[16:02] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: :) Well I only arrived on the scene after it already existed and was well known
[16:03] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: done
[16:03] <ari-tczew> thanks
[16:06] <bdrung> persia: why does syncpackage messes up some indices?
[16:07] <persia> bdrung, I don't know the details.
[16:07] <persia> I'd encourage you to read through cjwatson's complaints before he gave up complaining, as those are surely more accurate than any information I can provide.
[16:10] <ari-tczew> who has upload access to multiverse? core-dev?
[16:10]  * micahg thought MOTU did
[16:10] <persia> ari-tczew, Different groups of folk.  You probably have upload rights to most of it.
[16:11] <persia> micahg, Not exclusively: some of Mythbuntu is in multiverse.
[16:11] <micahg> persia: right, but has that restriction of partial pocket access been implemented?
[16:11] <ari-tczew> persia: ah, my bad. I saw that fabrice_sp has uploaded package @multiverse, but sponsored by dholbach. I've looked on the date and now I know, that in those days fabrice_sp wasn't yet in MOTU.
[16:11] <persia> micahg, No, hence "not exclusively".
[16:11]  * micahg thinks pocket is the wrong tem
[16:12] <micahg> *term
[16:12] <persia> "component"
[16:12] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: multiverse access control is equivalent to universe, unless other package sets are involved
[16:12] <micahg> thanks
[16:13] <cjwatson> my complaint about syncpackage was essentially that a sync constitutes a promise that this is a verbatim copy of the package from Debian.  Given that there is no monitoring of whether that's actually the case, I think it's less risky to have the copy be done centrally rather than going through client machines.  I would love developers to be able to press the button rather than it having to go through archive admins, but I ...
[16:13] <cjwatson> ... want it to be a button that creates a new publication record, rather than involving downloading/uploading the package.
[16:15] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: obvious response: given that syncpackage doesn't alter the checksums in the dsc file, the upload would be rejected if the package was modified.
[16:15] <persia> It's on the LP roadmap.  Mostly needs a couple jobs to run to clean up some other bugs, and then can be enabled.
[16:15] <persia> tumbleweed, But we can't prove that.
[16:16] <bdrung> cjwatson: agreed. once we have the LP button, syncpackage will be changed to trigger the sync through launchpadlib.
[16:16] <tumbleweed> I'm not arguing that we don't want to be able to do it centrally, as soon as LP can support it.
[16:17] <tumbleweed> cjwatson, bdrung: http://paste.ubuntu.com/518106/ ?
[16:17] <cjwatson> I'd find that an improvement, yes
[16:17] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes
[16:18] <tumbleweed> persia: if users have the ability to upload to ubuntu, they can break things. Actually managing to break things with syncpackage (esp ack-sync + syncpackage) would require concerted effort
[16:18] <bdrung> tumbleweed: maybe document the future plans, too
[16:18] <ScottK> bdrung: Now we just need someone to write the soyuz patch.
[16:18] <tumbleweed> err yes
[16:18] <persia> ScottK, We have most of that.  The main blocker is some DB/librarian cleanup, which needs a job to run.
[16:42] <ari-tczew> bdrung: what is the command for fakesync?
[16:46] <ari-tczew> Riddell: you want to get synced knmap, but it's FTBFS
[16:47] <ari-tczew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/518120/
[16:58] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you also take a look on bug 636636 ? I see that you're working on archive.
[17:01] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: done
[17:02] <ari-tczew> thanks
[17:16] <bdrung> ari-tczew: use syncpackage
[17:18] <persia> bdrung, We just had a long discussion about that.
[17:19] <persia> We very actively *don't* want to use syncpackage for fakesyncs.  We need Origin: Ubuntu on those.
[17:19] <bdrung> persia: syncpackage uses debuild for building fakesync packages. so origin should be ubuntu.
[17:20] <persia> OK.  I just worry about syncpackage, but if it does the right thing, it does.
[17:21] <bdrung> persia: use "syncpackage -v" and it will tell you which command are used.
[17:22] <persia> I get a KeyError for an environment variable I've never set (DEBEMAIL respects the "name name <email@domain>" syntax)
[17:22] <bdrung> persia: log?
[17:23] <persia> http://pastebin.com/5aPhzSMu
[17:23] <bdrung> persia: file a bug
[17:24] <persia> Do you especially want to fix it (am I putting something on your TODO list, or just filing a bug)?
[17:25] <bdrung> persia: i will fix it unless someone else wants to do it
[17:25] <persia> OK.  I'll file it when I'm done with the current bug then.
[17:30] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, I do, but only when needed. why are you asking that?
[17:31] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: curiosity
[17:35] <c_korn> hello, where can I find the script which imports the gpg keys from LP users in a specific group ?
[17:37] <persia> I think there are a couple of those.  There's one in REVU, at least.
[17:38] <persia> Or there used to be: it might have gone away with the new authentication model.
[17:38] <c_korn> it seems there were some rdf changes and the script I use does not work any longer.
[17:38] <c_korn> hm
[17:39] <persia> REVU will at least have the script to get a GPG key for a single user.
[17:39] <persia> You probably want to use the API to get the group membership as a safer means (ask for details in #launchpad)
[17:41] <c_korn> it is for checking if a user was allowed to upload a package in the build system. we need his gpg key for checking this.
[17:46] <persia> c_korn, Right.  REVU probably has the per-user bit you need (else REVU is also broken).
[17:46] <persia> For per-group, I recommend using the API to get the members of the group (but ask in #launchpad for instructions)
[17:47] <ari-tczew> ScottK: do you know how fix this FTBFS? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58037661/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.zvbi_0.2.33-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:48] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I get the feeling there's a missing stat.h include
[17:48] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: heh, but in which file? :)
[17:49] <tumbleweed> the one that uses S_ISCHR
[17:49] <ari-tczew> (I'm a n00b in FTBFS fixin')
[17:53] <ari-tczew> how can I run pbuilder for sid on my maverick? I got the problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/518144/
[17:55] <tumbleweed> I import the key into my gpg keyring and do pbuilder create --debootstrap-opts --keyring=~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
[17:57] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: thanks, I'll try it later
[17:57] <ari-tczew> wth... yesterday was 180 FTBFS in universe. now it's 61
[18:00] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I think someone did a retry.  Look how many pending builds there are.
[18:00] <ari-tczew> ScottK: that's right, builders are busy today
[18:00] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I'm not sure on Sid pbuilder.  It works here, but IIRC I have debian-keyring installed.  Maybe that's the difference.
[18:01] <ari-tczew> ScottK: is it make sense, whether I'll upload some fixes for FTBFS?
[18:01] <ari-tczew> it's about to add missing things to LDFLAGS
[18:01] <ScottK> ari-tczew: If they are broken in Ubuntu it does.
[18:06] <achiang> i picked off a few FTBFS yesterday. i wrote patches to fix them, but in one case, sent the patch upstream and in the other, submitted the patch to debian BTS. in both cases, i expect debian to take the patches rather quickly, and then ubuntu can sync from debian
[18:06] <achiang> was my expectation correct? or should i prepare ubuntu debdiffs too, and attach them to the LP bugs i opened?
[18:09] <geser> achiang: depends on the Debian maintainer. And the current Debian freeze may slow it down too.
[18:10] <achiang> geser: for #664760, i've already been in contact with the debian maintainer, and he agreed to take the patch once it is accepted upstream. although checking qawire, i see that the package has disappeared from the list
[18:10] <fabrice_sp> I have found a package for which uscan does not get the latest version, because the debian mirror of sourceforge is not updated since september the 16th. Is the update blocked because of squeeze being frozen?
[18:10] <geser> it wouldn't hurt to have debdiffs ready in case it takes some time till the fix gets into Debian
[18:10] <fabrice_sp> it's muse
[18:11] <achiang> geser: good point, i can attach some debdiffs. i guess i was trying to avoid doing extra work in ubuntu of carrying patches for a little while, and then having to figure out that the patch should be dropped once the fix hits debian
[18:12] <geser> achiang: there was apprarently some give back today (fossology waits on a new build attempt) so it doesn't get listed currently on the FTBFS page
[18:13] <ScottK> achiang: If the package is currently FTBFS in Debian too, then the odds of it getting accepted quickly are good.  If it's due to toolchain changes that Debian doesn't have yet, you probably won't see it in Debian until after Squeeze releases (except maybe in Experimental)
[18:13] <achiang> geser: ah, ok. "give back" means re-try build?
[18:13] <tumbleweed> achiang: at the very least it helps to file a bug in launchpad so that other people know what you've done - i.e. that this is in progress upstream (you link the upstream / debian bugs to it)
[18:13] <ScottK> achiang: Yes.
[18:14] <achiang> tumbleweed: i did file bugs, one is listed above, the other is #664941
[18:14] <tumbleweed> achiang: aah missed that, cool.
[18:14] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: that would be suprising, file a bug against qa.debian.org?
[18:15] <achiang> ScottK: thank you. the two packages i picked are not FTBFS in debian. based on what you said, I'll prepare ubuntu debdiffs, attach them to my bugs, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[18:15] <ScottK> Great.
[18:16] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, it's http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/lmuse and it indicates "last database update: Sun, 19 Sep 10 06:17:35. How can I check if bug already exists?
[18:17] <tumbleweed> fabrice_sp: http://bugs.debian.org/qa.debian.org (which lists debbug 599064)
[18:20] <fabrice_sp> tumbleweed, got it. thanks for the link! This mean that UEHS is not up-to-date either is the project is on sourceforge
[18:20] <tumbleweed> yup :/
[18:28] <achiang> which debian repo do syncs typically come from? is it possible to request a sync of a package from unstable at some point?
[18:28] <geser> we sync for unstable by default
[18:29] <achiang> ah, great. and unstable is not frozen, so if i can get a patch to land there, then there really isn't a need to carry an ubuntu patch.
[18:30] <geser> yes
[18:30] <geser> we can also sync a package from experimental if needed
[18:31] <achiang> nod. i don't think that will be necessary in my case though
[18:31] <ScottK> achiang: Yes, but in Debian it's generally preferred to keep Unstable clear of changes not intended for the next Debian release during the freeze as that's the preferred route for updates to Testing.
[18:31] <ari-tczew> ScottK: but are you sure for fixing FBTFS by flags? maybe next toolchain change and rebuild will fix these FTBFS
[18:32] <ScottK> ari-tczew: No.  The linking change is by design and permanent.  It will also be in Debian for Wheezy after Squeeze is released.
[18:32] <achiang> ScottK: I see, thanks. Learning various project processes is much harder than learning programming. ;)
[18:32] <ScottK> achiang: Yep.
[18:33] <xteejx> How come a hundred or so FTBFS have disappeared on http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/natty.html
[18:33] <xteejx> Were they all done or is the site wrong?
[18:35] <geser> massive give-back
[18:35] <xteejx> geser: What does that mean?
[18:35] <ari-tczew> geser: give-back?
[18:35] <tumbleweed> given back to the buildds - i.e. retried
[18:36] <xteejx> Oh, sent back to the autobuilders?
[18:36] <tumbleweed> yip. A bunch will presumably fail again.
[18:36] <xteejx> I was just thinking that, wouldn't they just re-fail
[18:37] <ScottK> So will, some won't.  Depends on why they failed.
[18:37] <xteejx> Oh well, even if a few sort themselves out, its better I suppose :)
[18:37] <xteejx> brb all
[18:38] <tumbleweed> there's a bug with launchpad not detecting DEPWAIT reliably, so quite a few might succeed
[19:01] <ari-tczew> ScottK: could you take a look on bug 664612 ?
[19:02] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I don't have an opinion on it.
[19:43] <BlackZ> achiang: bug #664941: if you need sponsorship for the upload of that fix, the bug should not be assigned to anyone (please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess)
[19:43] <achiang> BlackZ: reading now
[19:44] <achiang> BlackZ: ok, i'll go unsub myself, thanks for pointing this out to me
[19:45] <achiang> BlackZ: i'm unsubscribed
[19:45] <achiang> uh, un-assigned, that is
[19:46] <xteejx> bug 665276, can someone check the debdiff please? I've remembered and done what people
[19:46] <xteejx> have advised, and this one is totally on my own
[19:48] <BlackZ> achiang: also, the package has to go for "natty" and not "lucid". Can you please fix that?
[19:49] <xteejx> btw Good evening all :)
[19:51] <BlackZ> achiang: .. and you have to set "Ubuntu Developers" as the maintainer of the package (you can run the "update-maintainer" script to do that automatically). However commenting on the bug
[19:52] <achiang> BlackZ: hm, i just uploaded v2 of the debdiff which fixes the distro field in the changelog
[19:55] <achiang> BlackZ: ok, i guess i should upload a v3 then? is there anything else i should do?
[19:55] <BlackZ> achiang: commented on the bug
[19:57] <ari-tczew> 1969-12-31 17:00:00.000000000 -0700 lol :D
[19:59] <ari-tczew> achiang, BlackZ: also in d/changelog should be changed: * debian/patches/filecntl-include-stat.patch:
[19:59] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: yes, usually I do that commenting on the bug with something like: "Uploaded with a minor correction to the package's changelog file."
[20:00] <achiang> ugh, i kinda botched this one up, didn't i? sorry about this, i'll be more careful next time
[20:03] <BlackZ> achiang: uploaded
[20:03] <achiang> BlackZ: ta!
[20:05] <BlackZ> achiang: however in the future you can consider to use DEP-5 headers for the patches
[20:06] <paultag> DEP3 IIRC BlackZ
[20:06] <micahg> BlackZ: DEP-3 is for patches, DEP-5 is for copyright
[20:06] <achiang> BlackZ: sorry, i don't think i understand. DEP-5 covers copyright?
[20:06] <BlackZ> oh sorry, I meant DEP-3
[20:06] <paultag> :)
[20:07]  * micahg hopes to proposal to give those sensible names is considered again
[20:07] <BlackZ> achiang: you're right, DEP-5 is for copyright files; I meant DEP-3
[20:07] <achiang> is there an easy way to generate those headers? what i uploaded was just a raw debdiff
[20:08] <BlackZ> achiang: please read http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[20:08] <paultag> that should really be built into Quilt after the DEP is approved
[20:08] <ari-tczew> xteejx: I suggest to remove Last-Update: and replace by Forwarded:
[20:09] <achiang> BlackZ: yeah, i just read that. looks like the way to generate those headers is by hand. i was asking if there's some handy tool to do that for you, but it seems like not
[20:10] <micahg> achiang: DebSrc format 3 does it for you
[20:10] <micahg> achiang: then you just have to clean it up
[20:11] <achiang> micahg: but what if the package is in 1.0 format?
[20:11] <micahg> achiang: then you have to do it manually :)
[20:12] <achiang> micahg: heh, ok. thanks. :)
[20:12] <micahg> achiang: it one of the reasons to move to source format 3, but that should be done in Debian for shared packages
[20:13] <achiang> nod.
[20:13] <micahg> and according to recent statistics, we're 1/3 of the way there
[20:13] <BlackZ> achiang: it's not a big deal but I'd recommend you to use the DEP-3 tags for your future patches
[20:13] <achiang> BlackZ: ok, got it
[20:25] <persia> paultag, quilt header does a fair bit of it.
[20:26] <paultag> persia, ahha. Just found that on the man page
[20:28] <paultag> persia, on another note, I got my first new package into debian :)
[20:31] <persia> Congratulations!
[20:31] <ari-tczew> ScottK: could you take a look whether I did correctly this one? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaz/4.0.11-1ubuntu1
[20:31] <paultag> persia, :)
[21:28] <ari-tczew> maybe someone else could check whether I added LDFLAGS correctly? ^^
[21:29] <micahg> ari-tczew: it's usually better to ask before uploading
[21:29] <persia> It's *always* better to ask before uploading.
[21:29] <persia> One uploads only if one doesn't need to ask.
[21:29] <micahg> persia: right, heh, sorry :)
[21:29] <persia> (often because one already has)
[21:30] <ari-tczew> I thought about this case some minutes after uploading.
[21:30]  * micahg has tried to get out of the habit of using always, but there are cases where it is valid :)
[21:30] <ari-tczew> and please stop attack me, I usually ask
[21:30] <micahg> ari-tczew: not attacking you
[21:30] <micahg> ari-tczew: just reminding
[21:31] <ari-tczew> micahg: calm down, packages are waiting to build
[21:31] <ari-tczew> I can overwrite it right now, so I'm asking
[21:32] <micahg> ari-tczew: no, you can't once it's uploaded and accepted , it's in
[21:32] <ari-tczew> I can't stand warnings if I know about these.
[21:32] <persia> ari-tczew, Did your test builds work?
[21:33] <ari-tczew> persia: yes!
[21:33] <ari-tczew> and it built fine!
[21:33] <ari-tczew> it's fix for FTBFS!
[21:33] <ari-tczew> wrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:33] <persia> And before you made the change it broke?
[21:33] <ari-tczew> persia: I don;t understand the question.
[21:33] <persia> The package FTBFS, and you changed it, and the result built fine?
[21:33] <ari-tczew> not clear - packages was ftbfs - I made a patch to avoid FTBFS
[21:34] <ari-tczew> persia: YES, Now builtfine
[21:34] <persia> And the program runs afterwords?
[21:35] <ari-tczew> IIRC yes, but I'll again install it
[21:36] <persia> Well, if it was broken, and you changed it so it builds and it runs, there's a fairly high chance you did it right.
[21:36] <persia> You may or may not have done it the best possible way, but you did fix it, so you shouldn't worry.
[21:36] <persia> (this is the point of the test build and the test run)
[21:37] <ari-tczew> persia: but I'm not sure about this one: dpkg-buildpackage: export LDFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions
[21:37] <ari-tczew> but these ^^ I didn't add to LDFLAGS in d/rules
[21:38] <persia> Right, those come from the toolchain defaults.
[21:38] <persia> If you look at the FTBFS log, you ought to see the same thing.
[21:40] <ari-tczew> persia: and in buildlog of package patched by me, I didn't find -Bsymbolic-functions
[21:43] <ari-tczew> persia: should do I to add -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions to LDFLAGS in d/rules?
[22:08] <persia> ari-tczew, You had those options in the failure but not in the fix?
[22:10] <ari-tczew> persia: yes
[22:11] <ari-tczew> because I added LDFLAGS to d/rules, where is one flag to fix FTBFS
[22:11] <persia> Hmm.  You might want those.
[22:12] <persia> May as well try adding them, and testbuild/testrun.
[22:12] <persia> Maybe someone who knows more about ld will have a good answer whilst you're testing.
[23:41] <micahg> am I to assume powerpc stats are broken in the FTBFS page?
[23:42] <persia> Why would you assume that?
[23:42] <micahg> persia: they're all blank :)
[23:43] <micahg> unless someone fixed them all
[23:44] <persia> Maybe a mass-give-back?
[23:46] <micahg> persia: looks like it, 759 jobs in teh queue
[23:46] <persia> That would be it then :)
[23:46]  * micahg should look at the obvious suspects first before asking
[23:47] <xteejx> micahg: Maybe they're still in the build queue?
[23:47] <micahg> xteejx: it looks like a mass give back
[23:47] <xteejx> Oops, bit slow today hehe
[23:57] <xteejx> What is the ldflags flag for /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 ?