[00:47] <studiobot> Lorenzo Roman was added by: Lorenzo Roman
[05:53] <OvenWerks> PLC: if you do not like xfce, the best approuch is to install one of the other main ubuntu flavours and add the studio apps/emtas to that.
[05:54] <OvenWerks> The studio metas have been tried onto of kubuntu and ubuntu (desktop) at least.
[23:01] <OerHeks> Wunderbar 2020!


[12:05] <boxrick> Does cloud init run at first boot only or each and every boot?
[12:31] <powersj> boxrick: by default it will run at each boot. However, not all parts of cloud-init will run each time. For example, it does not need to generate ssh keys on each boot.
[13:29] <boxrick> Ok lovely, cheers for that
[17:38] <blackboxsw> rharper: I'm tearing out the cloud-init query subcommand, no need for Notimplemented() subcommands. We can add it in when we have something
[17:39] <blackboxsw> as it is right now, you actually get tracebacks because we don't even setup the event stack  approporiately (undefinted parameters etc).
[17:48] <rharper> blackboxsw: +1
[19:22] <blackboxsw> rharper: I'm having trouble finding where exactly the module runtime is cached (and validated):w  is the frequency caching handling in cloud-init (
[19:22] <blackboxsw> oops, typo-world. one sec
[19:23] <blackboxsw> having a hard time finding where the cache of module runtimes is stored once a specific module is run... and where that frequency is validated to avoid running the module a 2nd time (for PER_ONCE frequencies)
[19:23] <rharper> blackboxsw: when you say module, you mean each cc_<module>  ?
[19:23] <blackboxsw> rharper: yeah
[19:23] <rharper> so, in stages.py I Think you'll see the reporter setup
[19:24] <rharper> also, the sem files, I think record some data
[19:25] <blackboxsw> ok, yeah I just wasn't really seeing log messages telling me cc_ntp, for instance, is being ignored because it's configured PER_INSTANCE
[19:25] <blackboxsw> per "cloud-init --debug single --name cc_ntp"
[19:31] <rharper> so, when you run in single mode, not sure how well the logging is configured
[19:32] <rharper> if you look at cmd/main.py there's *complicated* logic w.r.t when/how logging is configured/enabled IIRC
[19:37] <blackboxsw> ahh I'm seeing the issue now. right logging is incomplete on the single commandline. The appropriate, and needed, messages about skippping due to invalid frequency, or disabled module etc just go into /var/log/cloud-init.log
[19:38] <blackboxsw> right we need a stdout handler too if running single from the commandline (we don't want that in init,  modules or dhclient-hook subcommand cases I imagine as they are spawned by init or dhcp).
[19:41] <blackboxsw> ok and all semaphore logic is in cloudinit/helpers.
[19:41] <blackboxsw> ok now I get how that works
[19:41] <rharper> yeah
[20:26] <TemporalBeing> q: what is the intent with `runcmd`? Should it be possible to have multiple `runcmd` sections in a single cloud-init script and have them *all* run or does only the *last* get run?
[20:27] <TemporalBeing> (I've found that `package_update` and `package_upgrade` but `packages` installs stuff just fine.
[20:29] <blackboxsw> my understanding is that cloud-init piecies together all cloud-config parts ultimately into a single structure representing all  cloud-config parts. So if there are multiple-definitions of the same keys, the latest piece read is what gets honored
[20:32] <blackboxsw> so I believe if there are multiple commands that we want to run via runcmd, you'd need to include them in a single runcmd list like the simplistic example https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#runcmd
[20:35] <rharper> blackboxsw: TemporalBeing: yeah, run_cmd takes a list;  package_update and package_upgrade are flags which map to a  distros package manager for fetching repository data (package_update on ubuntu/debian does an apt-get update); and package_upgrade does a apt-get upgrade
[20:35] <rharper> s/flags/booleans
[20:36] <TemporalBeing> @rharper: I haven't gotten package_update/package_upgrade to work, so I have two runcmd sections - one to do what those do, then after the packages are installed via `package` more to do other things, including enabling things from the installed packages.
[20:39] <rharper> TemporalBeing: what does your cloud-config look like ?
[20:48] <TemporalBeing> @rharper - something like https://gist.github.com/BenjamenMeyer/eaadf44fb6ac187465578cc6d02f59b9
[20:50] <rharper> k
[21:02] <rharper> TemporalBeing: looks fine, you can collapse the write-files and run commands together;  I found one issue with your pip requriements file, you marked it b64 encoded, but it's just plain txt, so pip didn't like it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25314461/
[21:02] <rharper> trying that now; you'll be able to ssh in if you add a ssh key, and tail /var/log/cloud-init-output.log to see the apt upgrade/install, etc (output of runcmds end up there)
[21:02] <TemporalBeing> yeah, I had to sanitize it - the b64 encoding difference was part of that; the structure is basically the same
[21:02] <rharper> ah, gotcha
[21:03] <TemporalBeing> my biggest issue is that the first cloud-init data (creating the /root/.config, and pushing a file into it) isn't getting run at all; the rest seems to be working
[21:03] <TemporalBeing> can't figure out why, and can't get cloud-init to dump anything useful to diagnose
[21:03] <rharper> hrm, let me see
[21:04] <TemporalBeing> told if I remove some stuff then reboot I can get cloud-init to reprocess, which has kind of worked
[21:04] <TemporalBeing> but no success in diagnostics of what's wrong
[21:04] <TemporalBeing> If I need to rewrite to put everything into unique sections, okay...I can manage
[21:05] <rharper> so, you don't need to do a mkdir for things with write_Files
[21:05] <rharper> cloud-init will ensure the path to the file exists
[21:05] <TemporalBeing> it failed if I didn't :(
[21:06] <rharper> hrm
[21:07] <rharper> TemporalBeing: which cloud-init  version ?
[21:07] <TemporalBeing> initially on Ubuntu 16.04, now 17.04
[21:07] <rharper> write_files module uses util.write_file in cloud-init, which calls a method ensure_dir() which does a recursive mkdir on the paths needed
[21:08] <TemporalBeing> so presently working with ubuntu's version 0.7.9-113-g513e99e0-0ubuntu1~17.04.1
[21:08] <rharper> k
[21:08]  * rharper removes the mkdir and tries again
[21:09] <rharper> write_files will happen first, then runcmd, then package-update-upgrade-install
[21:24] <rharper> TemporalBeing: hrm, I think runcmd happens too soon here;  I'm going to file a bug;  as per the docs, it should be running at "rc.local" like time, but
[21:25] <TemporalBeing> @rharper thanks for taking a look; refactoring some of my scripts too around the only the last perspective
[21:25] <rharper> np, I'll paste the bug here and you can subscribe to it if you like
[21:26] <TemporalBeing> sure - thanks
[21:28] <TemporalBeing> the `write_files` didn't create the directory :(
[21:30] <TemporalBeing> okay...I think I know what happened - I added another `write_files` section and the merge functionality isn't merging that section so only one of the two (the second) gets processed
[21:30] <rharper> yes
[21:30] <rharper> that's what I mentioned about combining
[21:30] <rharper> both runcmd and write_files takes a *list* of entries
[21:30] <rharper> if you have two top-level config keys, one of them will get clobbered when the configs are merged
[21:30] <TemporalBeing> it *should* have merged them - that's what the merging functionality talks about
[21:31] <rharper> it does mention that
[21:31] <rharper> list type should append
[21:31] <TemporalBeing> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/merging.html talks about them getting combined together
[21:31] <rharper> so we may have a second bug here (possibly fixed in artful)
[21:31] <rharper> but not yet in xenial
[21:31] <rharper> will need to investigate that
[21:31] <TemporalBeing> gotcha
[21:36] <blackboxsw> rharper: sorry I wasted a bit of your time on my 2nd review of cloudinit analyze today. I hadn't pushed enough content to you. I've addressed review comments now I think and updated docs.
[21:36] <rharper> blackboxsw: no worries;  I've implemented a quick summary verb we can use to print a one-line summary of the boot
[21:37] <rharper> I'll have a patch/MP for you tomorrow; but it allows a cloud-init analyze (no args) to print that out ala systemd-analyze;   then we can do the cloud-init analyze show|blame|dump etc as we do with params and such
[21:38] <blackboxsw> bah, just saw your branch up CLI features
[21:38] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/328992
[21:38] <blackboxsw> I can rework my commandline.rst topic doc to incorporate your branch/changes
[21:38] <rharper> ah, doc update
[21:38] <rharper> if you want, that's cool
[21:38] <blackboxsw> ok I'll pull it in. as I also touched on that
[21:38] <rharper> I just noticed that when reading rtd this morning
[21:39] <blackboxsw> sorry it took so long to push it up
[21:39] <rharper> np
[21:41] <blackboxsw> rharper: question once you have a chance to tox -e doc on my branch. should all of that content be migrated to capabilities.rst?
[21:41] <blackboxsw> or should it continue to live some a separate  page.
[21:41] <blackboxsw> It has a lot of your cloudinit analyze README.md notes etc.
[21:42] <blackboxsw> which doesn't feel like it makes sense as the "entry" page of cloudinit capabilities
[21:50] <rharper> blackboxsw: lemme see
[21:52] <rharper> blackboxsw: so I'd make a new topic for the bulk of that instead of the CLI page;
[21:52] <rharper> something like a Boot Time Analysis
[21:52] <blackboxsw> Ok and then we just don't talk about cloud-init cmdline
[21:53] <blackboxsw> much other than analyze specifically
[21:55] <blackboxsw> so where should cloud-init single go?
[21:55] <blackboxsw> an ammendment to the modules topic?
[21:55] <blackboxsw> cloud-init (modules|init) are both kindof discussed on the stages topic
[21:56] <rharper> We may want a general debugging/testing section where we can put both Analyze and single
[21:56] <blackboxsw> that sounds good, then I can drop the rest
[21:56] <blackboxsw> and it won't collide w/ your branch
[21:56] <rharper> we certainly can still have a cli reference section that just has mostly --help like output
[21:56] <rharper> my branch is tiny
[21:56] <rharper> easily rebased/appended as needed
[21:57] <rharper> I wouldn't worry about collision
[22:00] <blackboxsw> +1
[22:00] <blackboxsw> thanks
[22:09] <blackboxsw> approved https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/328992
[22:09] <blackboxsw> and I pushed my doc changes again
[22:10] <blackboxsw> separate debugging/testing doc. dropped discussion of cloud-init (init|modules) as that's kinda covered by stages
[22:10] <blackboxsw> gotta run for a few.
[22:17] <rharper> later
[22:33] <blackboxsw> back


[00:31] <greg-g> paultag: on the team report wiki-infrastructure (ie: following the Team Reports howto guide), do I have to follow the naming convention of the month? The way it is now (month name, eg: April) the sort is alphabetical, which doesn't make much sense.
[00:32] <greg-g> paultag: will it break anything if I use month numbers, eg: 01, 02, ... 11, 12
[00:32] <greg-g> czajkowski: ^ comments also welcome :)
[00:32] <paultag> greg-g: nope, it's just convention
[00:32] <paultag> greg-g: feel free to use whatever you want :)
[00:32] <greg-g> cool, then I'm going to use numbers
[00:32] <greg-g> thanks man
[00:32] <paultag> greg-g: sure thing dude
[00:33]  * greg-g likes orderly ordered lists ;)
[00:33] <paultag> greg-g: I can't blame you!
[00:33] <greg-g> paultag: I figured you wouldn't :)
[00:33] <paultag> :)
[00:34] <paultag> I'm a data manicuring whore :)
[00:34] <paultag> I wonder why we used month names to begin with
[00:34]  * Cheri703 thinks paultag needs that as his fb status for a while "I'm a data manicuring whore :) "
[00:34] <paultag> nhandler: prod -- do you remember why we use TeamReport/YY/Monthname and not TeamReport/YY/MM
[00:34] <paultag> czajkowski: :)
[00:34] <greg-g> Cheri703: +1 to that idea
[00:35] <paultag> Oh fine :)
[00:35] <Cheri703> hehe
[00:37] <paultag> it was pung, should show up soonish
[00:38] <Cheri703> :)
[00:51]  * greg-g grumbles at the wiki
[01:32] <paultag> Cheri703: Ahha! It posted (sorry, was out getting vino) -- http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/73175167928516608
[01:32] <Cheri703> :) Yeah, I saw that :)
[01:33] <cjohnston> paultag.. I have an action item for you ;-)
[01:33] <paultag> cjohnston: oh lordy
[01:33] <paultag> cjohnston: what's up?
[01:33] <cjohnston> add 2 more hours to the day
[01:33] <paultag> cjohnston: true that!
[01:34] <cjohnston> jono and joey keep adding stuff to my schedule.. lol
[01:35] <paultag> :P
[04:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: I may not be able to make the call on thursday, i may be taking Q to his therapy
[04:20] <mhall119> if I can't make it, just sign me up for whatever you feel like
[04:41] <paultag> pleia2: e'scu me, http://i.imgur.com/OBmAd.jpg?982
[04:42] <pleia2> but she has hair long enough to maybe do leia buns!
[04:42] <Cheri703> hehe
[04:42] <paultag> pleia2: :)
[04:43] <pleia2> don't actually need hair very long, I did it once when my hair was just below my shoulders
[04:43] <paultag> hehehe
[04:43] <pleia2> for the intrepid release party: http://gallery.ubuntupennsylvania.org/d/520-1/img_8592.jpg
[04:44] <pleia2> (yes, I am sitting next to indiana jones)
[04:44] <paultag> pleia2: hahahahah, that rocks!
[04:46] <pleia2> indiana jones works for canonical now
[04:47] <Cheri703> hehe
[04:47] <paultag> pleia2: hehehe
[04:51] <nigelb_> indiana jones? wha?
[04:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: I got IS to enable the base search plugin, but the twitter style links still don't work :(
[04:58] <paultag> one love ya'll
[04:58] <paultag> nighgt
[04:58] <paultag> wow, night
[04:59] <nigelb> night paultag
[07:07] <dpm> good morning!
[07:15] <AlanBell> nigelb: yup
[07:15] <AlanBell> it isn't something I broke with the theme either
[08:05] <nigelb> AlanBell: I poked Daviey the other night for help.  I'll see if I can catch him when he's free.
[08:05] <nigelb> morning dpm!
[08:05] <nigelb> no dholbach today? :(
[08:06] <dpm> hey nigelb :) dholbach is on holiday, good for him \o/
[08:06] <nigelb> dpm: ah!
[08:07] <nigelb> dpm: I have a bunch of feedback from using the packaging guide last night :)
[08:07] <nigelb> I guess I'll just email him :)
[08:07] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, just send him an e-mail and he'll look at it when he's back :)
[08:07] <nigelb> :)
[08:51] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:55] <nigelb> Morning kim0!
[09:04] <kim0> nigelb: hey
[09:30] <dpm> hey kim0 :)
[09:30] <kim0> dpm: hey man .. how are ya
[09:31] <kim0> dholbach is enjoying some beach time, right .. cool
[09:31] <dpm> kim0, very well, thanks, it's starting to get hot here, but I guess nowhere near as hot as it gets in Cairo :)
[09:32] <kim0> dpm: hehe it's around 31C in Cairo now
[09:32] <kim0> yes starting to get hot indeed
[09:32] <dpm> :)
[10:36] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/25/loco-team-re-approvals-are-underway/
[10:36] <czajkowski> yay
[13:50] <czajkowski> it would be nice if the loco team contact could you know, be helpful at times
[13:50] <czajkowski> and pass the information onto their teams without them making the call as to whether their team will approve of a mail or not
[13:50] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[13:50] <czajkowski> *fumes*
[13:51] <maco> czajkowski: fabian?
[13:51] <czajkowski> yes not the first time he's sent similar mails
[13:51] <czajkowski> am now fuming
[13:51] <czajkowski> what the hell is the point in having a loco contact who is making passing on their own opinion and not to the rest of their team
[13:52] <czajkowski> es google docs are not fully open
[13:52] <czajkowski> whoppdie doo
[13:52] <czajkowski> it's a good first start
[13:52] <czajkowski> I can see it caters more for an admin but so be it
[13:52] <Pici> As much as we don't like it, I think we should remember that in some team contacts think that they are the team leaders as well.  Not that this should excuse that behavior, but whatever.
[13:52] <czajkowski> but to not pass it on
[13:52] <czajkowski> Pici: excuse my french but fuck that now that's not on still
[13:53] <czajkowski> making ones own personal feelings known is one thing, not passing on information based on that to the team is NOT ON
[13:53] <Pici> czajkowski: Aye, thats not cool.
[13:53] <czajkowski> aye which is what he and I know others do so am now rather mad
[13:53] <czajkowski> which is never a good thing
[13:56] <Pici> I wouldn't want to be in your way when you're angry ;)
[13:57] <jussi> nor I
[13:59] <czajkowski> no aloha means I'm not happy on  mail btw
[13:59]  * czajkowski hugs maco
[14:08] <czajkowski> really annoyed
[14:08] <czajkowski> >:(
[14:13] <popey> Pici: being a team leader is not a bad thing
[14:13] <popey> you make it sound like being a team leader as well as a team contact is somehow a negative thing
[14:21] <paultag> yeah popey
[14:21] <paultag> it can work, but it's harder
[14:21] <paultag> and you have to be objective in both positions
[14:21]  * czajkowski tickles paultag
[14:21] <czajkowski> hangover gone ?
[14:22] <paultag> czajkowski: finally!
[14:22] <paultag> where's dholbach?
[14:22] <paultag> czajkowski: finally got enough rest :)
[14:23] <czajkowski> good stuff
[14:23] <IdleOne> I know Fabian's email may have seemed harsh but I do understand his position, the teams he is contact/lead for are non English. For example the -qc team which I am part of also has many English reading people but when they see any form of communication not in English they assume it is not meant for them and in turn might feel like their opinion does not matter to anyone else because it isn't in a language they can understand. I know
[14:23] <IdleOne>  maco and those who helped her worked hard on this survey and I took the time to answer it. I appreciate the efforts and I believe Fabian does also.
[14:25] <IdleOne> s/not in Englsh/in English/
[14:25] <paultag> IdleOne: you forgot to escape the spaces ;)
[14:25] <popey> +1
[14:25] <IdleOne> heh
[14:26] <Pici> popey: I should have clarified that.  Some 'team leaders' take the leadership aspect and twist it into some form of dictatorship, thats what I was referencing.  Also, I've not seen any email that everyone seems to be talking about, so if I'm completely off the mark, feel free to ignore me ;)
[14:26] <doctormo> IdleOne: +1 I'm currently dealing with a language barrier in a US projects, mostly Hispanic.
[14:27]  * doctormo explains that a 'projects' is a US term for a housing development/council estate.
[14:28] <paultag> doctormo: oh hahaha, right over my head
[14:28] <paultag> doctormo: I keep forgetting you live near southie
[14:28] <paultag> or in, I can't remember
[14:28] <doctormo> paultag: In, I'm not even near Dorchester ;-)
[14:28] <IdleOne> at the same time though I agree with czajkowski in that personal feelings about a group/team/project should not affect our decisions in passing on information.
[14:29] <popey> Tell that to RMS ☺
[14:29] <paultag> doctormo: :)
[14:29] <paultag> popey: oh look at that crafty smile ♥
[14:29] <popey> Yes!
[14:29] <popey> ♥
[14:29] <paultag> IdleOne: truth
[14:29] <czajkowski> I never ever ever want to deal with RMS as a speaker ever
[14:29] <paultag> → ←
[14:29] <IdleOne> I wish we could make everybody happy
[14:30] <paultag> I'd love to have RMS talk at me. He seems smart
[14:30] <czajkowski> paultag: watch him speak
[14:30] <IdleOne> talk at you?
[14:30] <czajkowski> picks his feet
[14:30] <paultag> I mean, homeby sat down homeless and wrote a F/OSS compiler
[14:30] <czajkowski> beard
[14:30] <popey> The only thing I think could have been done better with maco's survey was if she'd actually consulted loco-contacts _before_ sending the "Hey, fill my survey in" mail.
[14:30] <IdleOne> people who talk at me get ignored
[14:30] <czajkowski> puts his hands in his mouth
[14:30] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah I could see that
[14:30] <czajkowski> dear gods no
[14:30] <paultag> IdleOne: truth :)
[14:30] <czajkowski> never ever again will I go to listn to him
[14:30] <popey> and the loco council
[14:31] <paultag> hehehe
[14:31] <doctormo> paultag: You wouldn't like RMS, I don't think. He never understands what I'm saying and I have to speak like someone speaking to a little child for him to even comprehend the words.
[14:31] <paultag> popey: she poked me and she said something about the survay. I said i'd pass it onto my locos, but I think she was asking if it was OK
[14:31] <paultag> popey: so might be my fault there
[14:32] <IdleOne> popey: afaik this is the first survey of this type done, we learn, we make things better next time.
[14:32] <paultag> doctormo: hahaha
[14:32] <popey> IdleOne: not correct
[14:32] <popey> there is another survey running _right_ _not_ for the adverts team
[14:32] <doctormo> All power to survey 2.0!
[14:32] <popey> and we have done others
[14:32] <Pici> s/not/now/
[14:33] <popey> indeed
[14:33] <mhall119> popey: if she had taken it to loco-contact for discussion first, what would the likely outcome have been?
[14:33] <popey> mhall119: translation, more refined questions, clarity on where the data goes
[14:33] <paultag> mhall119: yelling, mostly. LC's usually pretty clear
[14:34] <paultag> or what popey said :)
[14:34] <mhall119> popey: and how long would that have taken?
[14:34]  * Pici just realized that Loco Council and cz<tab> have the same initials
[14:34] <popey> are you suggesting that we should put out substandard products in the name of expediency!?
[14:34]  * popey notes time based releases
[14:34] <mhall119> also, I think paultag's answer is fairly accurate
[14:34] <paultag> oh holy shaz, that's true
[14:34] <IdleOne> popey: We encourage people to go ahead and do the work if they see a need. I think maco took the initiative, contacted the people she thought were key and ran with it. same as the adverts team seems to have done.
[14:35] <mhall119> popey: release early, release often
[14:35] <jussi> http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2011/05/user-experience-survey.html <- the non adverts team survey blog post
[14:35] <czajkowski> Pici: I know very anoying also!
[14:35] <Pici> czajkowski: Must be
[14:35] <IdleOne> maco: for the next survey if you need help with translation to French let me know I will be glad to help :)
[14:35] <popey> IdleOne: yes, and I gave feedback last night, as did pleia2, which was ignored
[14:35] <czajkowski> Pici: why I have LC off highlight and loco council on highlight
[14:35] <doctormo> IdleOne: I agree, of course we do many things to self correct when we see problems with our actions too.
[14:35] <mhall119> in my experience, sending an inquiry to loco-contacts will end in silence 80% of the time, and arguing 19% of the time
[14:36] <popey> mhall119: I did say loco council too
[14:36] <IdleOne> doctormo: I believe maco sees our comments and she is taking the notes to do things differently next time.
[14:36] <paultag> popey: I think maco asked me on the side
[14:36] <mhall119> popey: the survey isn't specific to loco-teams is it?
[14:36] <doctormo> IdleOne: I believe so too.
[14:36] <maco> mhall119: no
[14:36] <paultag> popey: she said something about passing it on to locos and I said that would be a good idea
[14:36] <mhall119> I didn't think so
[14:36] <popey> mhall119: it was sent to loco contacts asking people to send to their loco teams.
[14:36] <maco> loco teams just seem like a good way to contact people who aren't plugged into Twitter & Planet Ubuntu constantly
[14:36] <mhall119> popey: right, because loco-contacts is the official way to get the word out to loco teams
[14:37] <popey> i give up
[14:37] <popey> forget I said anything.
[14:37] <IdleOne> asking the loco contacts to pass on the survey was a good way to make sure it got out to as many users as possible.
[14:37] <mhall119> I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand your position
[14:37] <maco> popey: by that point it was already announced...
[14:37] <maco> which is why i put in on blog post that its a *different* survey
[14:38] <czajkowski> maco: perhaps it could have held off a week
[14:38] <maco> and i think on email as well
[14:38] <czajkowski> so as not to clash with the other survey out there is all as well
[14:38] <paultag> there's another survay on right now, right?
[14:38] <czajkowski> yes
[14:38] <paultag> +1 czajkowski
[14:38] <mhall119> I didn't take maco's survey yet, but the advertising one is very short
[14:39] <paultag> I took both
[14:39] <Pici> The usability survey is a few pages long, its much more in-depth that the advertising one.
[14:39] <paultag> aye
[14:41] <doctormo> paultag: So you're home tomorrow? How about those red sox?
[14:41] <paultag> doctormo: beat the indians here! I'm stoked!
[14:54] <AlanBell> the advertising survey has more respondents but asks fewer useful questions
[14:55] <AlanBell> it might have been better if there were not two surveys going on at the same time
[14:55] <AlanBell> I am now working with the adverts team to prevent them making outlandish and statistically invalid claims about their results
[14:56] <maco> heh
[14:56] <maco> you know that "ubuntu is for noobs" thing that people using other distros say, like using ubuntu would be beneath them?
[14:56] <paultag> AlanBell: ugh, yeah, please
[14:56] <maco> 88% of respondents so far said power user or computing professional
[14:56] <paultag> and keep in mind results are skewed
[14:56] <paultag> +1 mhall119
[14:56] <paultag> erm, maco
[14:57] <maco> yeah i know, reaching the-person-who-installed-it is easier than reaching the-person-they-installed-it-for
[14:57] <paultag> +1
[14:57] <AlanBell> paultag: yes, they are, but some people might believe that a bigger sample size means a fair sample (it doesn't)
[14:58] <paultag> AlanBell: truth!
[14:59] <AlanBell> my big issue is that they didn't think about what they wanted to do with the results before spewing it out, so they didn't ask questions that help make effective adverts
[14:59] <mhall119> paultag: you can +1 me too if you really want to
[14:59] <popey> yup AlanBell
[14:59] <paultag> +1 mhall119!
[14:59] <mhall119> :)
[15:03] <AlanBell> we also ran a survey for the accessibility team fwiw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Survey
[15:03] <AlanBell> I set up a wordpress based form for that one
[15:12] <nigelb> AlanBell: I talked to Daviey. He asked me to set up etherpad from the PPA and see if it works.  If it doesn't, we may have to update the PPA.  pad.ubuntu-uk.org is a git checkout, so more later version.
[15:12] <nigelb> I'm not sure if I can get to reinstalling etherpad today, I have a longish task list, so if you do beat me to it, let me know :)
[16:00] <jono> kim0, dpm all set?
[16:00] <dpm> jono, sure
[16:00] <kim0> yeah
[16:01] <jono> one sec, sound issues
[16:01] <jono> going to reboot
[16:01]  * kim0 hugs skype and pulseaudio
[16:02] <dpm> yeah kim0, better hug them, you never know when they might turn against you ;)
[16:03]  * nigelb hugs JFo
[16:03]  * JFo hugs nigelb
[16:03] <JFo> :)
[16:03] <nigelb> JFo: Short and sweet email :D
[16:04] <JFo> oh heh, yeah :)
[16:04] <AlanBell> nigelb: mine was installed from the ppa
[16:05] <nigelb> AlanBell: Aha, and you can't get it working at all right?
[16:05]  * nigelb reports
[16:06] <AlanBell> nigelb: yeah, exactly the same as pad.ubuntu.com
[16:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: great, I'll work with kirkland to see if I can update the ppa with a newer version
[16:07] <AlanBell> cool, give me a shout when you want me to update and we can test there before messing with the live one
[16:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: yup. I'm running the upstream apt which needs fixing.
[20:37] <Technoviking> What is the name of wireframe design tool that I hace seen for Ubuntu mockups?
[20:42] <maco> Technoviking: pencil?
[20:47] <Technoviking> maco: yeah, is it a template for inkscape
[20:50] <jussi> Technoviking: you can also use balsamiq: http://balsamiq.com/products/mockups
[20:52] <maco> Technoviking: it's a proprietary UI design tool
[21:11] <Technoviking> maco: bummer
[21:15] <Pici> pleia2: around?
[21:19] <pleia2> Pici: yeah
[21:19] <Pici> pleia2: pm?
[21:19] <pleia2> sure
[21:22] <czajkowski> jono: call in 40 mins right
[21:23] <jono> czajkowski, nope, that is next week
[21:23] <jono> we talked last week
[21:25] <czajkowski> jono: yeah so i got confused with the mail
[21:25] <czajkowski> just checking as been on the jd for the last 3 hours
[21:25] <Pendulum> czajkowski: glad you've been doing something fun :P
[21:26] <czajkowski> Pendulum: yeah part 2 of going away night
[21:26] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[21:26] <czajkowski> bbq and a bottle of jd
[21:26] <czajkowski> classy bird
[21:32] <czajkowski> Pendulum: random bbq rocks
[21:32] <popey> maco / czajkowski mhall119 apologies for being a grumpy grouch earlier with respect to the survey you've made. I realise now I was probably not being super helpful.  I'm Jared from the Australian Loco, I was just about to send it to my loco list. Is there a link I can put into the email as well about who/what/where/when/why for those who like such details? I've done it and it looks pretty handy.
[21:34] <maco> so hopefully folks will do that
[21:35] <maco> head_victim: I did the make-google-do-stuff part with question suggestions from some folks here, IRC ops who see the support questions, and QA team people
[21:36] <head_victim> Ah ok so it's not a formal project, just something that would be useful to collate?
[21:36] <maco> the results, i'm intending to put at http://people.ubuntu.com/~maco.m/survey.html and thats also where translations of the survey will be linked
[21:36] <maco> well it's community-run instead of canonical-run, if that's what you mean
[21:37] <czajkowski> popey: you know what we all go through meh days I've had a month of them and seemignly my reply was less that good but i was being honest
[21:37] <czajkowski> at least for tonight i'm not looking at mail
[21:37] <czajkowski> the3 amout of jd i've had is not safe to go near email
[21:37] <czajkowski> :)
[21:38] <head_victim> maco: ah k, was sort of looking for a wiki page with the rational and who's using it for what but only because I was more curious myself as well
[21:38] <AlanBell> drunk people should use IRC only
[21:38] <maco> head_victim: there's stuff in there to interest bug triagers, accessibility team, QA team, loco council, etc.
[21:39] <maco> and there's been interest from members of those teams, so i dont think the results will just be thrown out
[21:39] <maco> (i'm in the bug & accessibility categories)
[21:39] <czajkowski> maco: well any feedback to the lc would be great please drop us an email ok
[21:40] <head_victim> maco: oh no, and don't think I wouldn't do it because of it I was just half curious for myself and half knowing that's what some will ask about
[21:40] <czajkowski> AlanBell: :)'
[21:40] <maco> czajkowski: yep. there's "where are you? how's the loco there? what sort of events do you prefer?" which should help the individual locos and you lot
[21:40] <czajkowski> maco: we;d love that feedback please
[21:40] <maco> of course
[21:41] <czajkowski> thank you
[21:43] <maco> for all that i dislike heavy math, i <3 making charts out of data
[21:43] <Pici> I love charts.
[21:43] <head_victim> I could play on spreadsheets all day long making pretty data sets and charts
[21:44] <maco> comparing audio, graphics, and peripheral support ratings gave me my first chance to use one of those area graphs (line graph with filled in underneath) that has stacking
[21:44] <doctormo> I just released, we could replace that funnel game from Star Trek Next Generation that they all get addicted to, with Farmville and they'd be prophetic! ;-)


[00:08] <devios> I have a Brother MFC-L2700DW Printer/Scanner/Fax that's connected to my wifi network.  Ubuntu found and prints to it over the network no problem, but I can't seem to find any info on how to use the scanner over the network on Ubuntu.  Its http://192.168.x.x/scan/scan.html feature doesn't seem to work in Chrome or Firefox or even in IE or Edge on a Windows machine, so that's useless.
[00:11] <helu_ca> devios: for WIndows, there is a Brother scanning app in the Microsoft Store that still works fine with my MFC, different model though.
[00:12] <sarnold> devios: what packages are you using to try to scan?
[00:13] <lotuspsychje> helu_ca: this is ubuntu support though
[00:15] <helu_ca> Then slap me with a large trout and call me stinky!  They did say, "feature doesn't seem to work in Chrome or Firefox or even in IE or Edge on a Windows machine, so that's useless."
[00:15]  * sarnold slaps helu_ca with a trout
[00:29] <dengi> on lubuntu lxde 18.04 how do I add vpn? add vpn connection button is greyed out using plus to add via edit connections also yet to work
[00:31] <sarnold> dengi: run "apt-cache search network-manager-" to see a handful of different packages that provide additional functionality for network-manager -- there may be one for whichever VPN you're trying to use
[00:33] <dengi> its an open vpn based vpn
[00:35] <sarnold> dengi: install network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome and see if that works
[00:38] <dengi> sarnold: why cant openvpn handle it without gnome
[00:38] <dengi> I do not like gnomes xd
[00:38] <sarnold> dengi: well, good point, I just assumed that lxde was using network-manager
[00:38] <sarnold> dengi: if they're using something else, then use that :)
[00:41] <dengi> lxde uses network manager
[00:41] <dengi> so it could have an ldxe plugin?
[00:42] <sarnold> I'm not sure, I know next to nothing about the desktop environments
[00:42] <dengi> ok
[00:42] <dengi> i can use cli right?
[00:42] <dengi> to fire up a vpn connection in screen
[00:45] <sarnold> yeah, you can use nmcli to start vpn connections, and iirc I even configured my openvpn config using nmcli
[01:00] <hiss> Hello everyone my python is broken due to sudo easyinstall pip
[01:00] <hiss> Can someone help me please ?
[01:01] <hiss> I found "solutions" on askubuntu but i don't to mess things again...
[01:01] <guiverc> hiss, you've asked before in multiple rooms
[01:01] <hiss> Not in this one
[01:02] <hiss> I though we would have more people able to help me.
[01:03] <sarnold> hiss: you could try running debsums -sa to find overwrittenfiles, then use apt install --reinstall on those packages
[01:03] <sarnold> hiss: maintainer scripts might not necessarily be written with a --reinstall in mind, so it's not something you just want to run on ALL packages, but it sounds like it might be useful to run it on specific packages at the moment
[01:05] <hiss> Could you guide me please ? I found multiple askubuntu links, i don't want to mess things again.
[01:05] <hiss> Can I share you these links ?
[01:06] <hiss> I just to know if the command I do on shell are safe or not so risky.      About solutions I found askubuuntu.
[01:06] <hiss> At least ?
[01:07] <guiverc> hiss, what OS/release (since you've avoided saying)
[01:07] <hiss> Ubuntu 18.04.3
[01:08] <guiverc> thank you hiss
[01:10] <hiss> sarnold guiverc
[01:11] <hiss> You're welcome.
[01:12] <dengi> sarnold: using --ask it only asks for a password not a user name
[01:13] <dengi> whats the easy way to pass both user name and passwd to nmcli?
[01:16] <sarnold> dengi: hmm, I think I configured mine via a configuration file...
[01:18] <dengi> there are more than 80 of them haha ok I can mass change but
[01:18] <sarnold> dengi: eighty machines?
[01:18] <dengi> maybe just install GUI open vpn client :)
[01:18] <sarnold> :)
[01:32] <dengi> sarnold: openvpn --config client.ovpn --auth-user-pass xd
[01:33] <dengi> but have to enter credential manually
[01:33] <sarnold> dengi: hmm -- once it's set up in openvpn, can you then control it via nmcli?
[01:34] <dengi> what do you mean setup in openvpm
[01:34] <dengi> I just wonder how come it is yet to work out of box xd
[01:34] <dengi> many many people use vpn on linux
[01:35] <sarnold> yeah, and I think they're usually willing to use the gnome gui to configure things :)
[01:35] <dengi> GNOME
[01:35] <dengi> name is bad
[01:36] <dengi> why not chad
[01:36] <dengi> xd just name is kinda bizzare plus it does not  lxde could have lxde open vpn plugin
[01:38] <dengi> funnily enough once imported via nmcli it does appear in VPN connections however yet to become configurable
[01:42] <wmcd> Trying to configure nvidia_drm modeset=1 but for some reason that parameter is not taking at boot.
[01:43] <wmcd> Tried looking over the known issues for the driver but couldn't find any information. Anyone have any pointers?
[01:44] <wmcd> 20.04 / 440.64 / 5.4.0-33
[01:44] <Bashing-om> wmcd: End goal that you want to disable DKMS ? To see if the parameter is set ' cat /proc/cmdline ' .
[01:46] <wmcd> Oh hi! Thank you and your team on the weekly newsletter
[01:47] <Bashing-om> wmcd: UWN always a work in progress :P
[01:47] <wmcd> The end goal is to enable PRIME Synchronization. For that I need modeset set to 1 instead of 0. I've set up an config file in modprobe with that option but it doesn't appear to make any difference.
[01:50] <tripelb> Our job is to spread light and not heat, a reporter on PBS. It's a show with six reporters on zoom being interviewed in a show called reporter Roundup.
[01:52] <Bashing-om> wmcd: Sorry - I am out in left fiels with PRIME Synchronization. No experience there :(
[01:52] <Bashing-om> field*
[01:55] <dengi> sarnold: plus gnome plugin is yet to function on 18.04 lubuntu lxde
[01:55] <wmcd> No problem, I did type my question a bit fast which doesn't help. I'm going to try passing nvidia-drm.modeset=1 in the cmdline to see if that makes a difference
[01:55] <sarnold> dengi: I wonder if you need to restart the nm-applet?
[02:01] <wmcd> Update; looks like that worked.
[02:01] <sarnold> wmcd: woot!
[02:02] <wmcd> Not sure why the entry under modprobe.d didn't work.
[02:02] <sarnold> nvidia_drm vs nvidia-drm perhaps?
[02:08] <dengi> sarnold:  you mean network manager
[02:08] <dengi> I did it
[02:09] <sarnold> dengi: all good?
[02:09] <dengi> to sum up , there are two open vpn packages in 18.04 , pure vpn and likes recommend to use 19.10
[02:09] <dengi> yet to work :)
[02:10] <dengi> sarnold:  ldxe openvpn plugin will fix it only where to get it xd
[02:10] <dengi> or yes openvpn cli connect xd
[02:14] <dengi> there is https://sourceforge.net/projects/oast/
[02:40] <jenia> hello
[02:41] <jenia> why can't I join ubuntu-talk. It says invite only
[02:44] <dengi> sarnold:  ok I stick with cli :P
[02:44] <sarnold> jenia: when I tried to join I was redirected to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:49] <sarnold> jenia: oh, sorry. it took several tries before I noticed it is set +r  -- "Prevents users who are not identified to services from joining the channel" -- https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes
[02:50] <sarnold> jenia: register your nickname with nickserv, identify to nickserv, and then you'll probably be able to join
[02:55] <el> they already are registered and identifed (you have to be to be in here usually). i'm curious why they're using the other channel name though.
[02:56] <sarnold> man, good thing my week is over :)
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> heh.
[03:02] <Psi-Jack> I've been having an extended "staycation" during these interesting times. :)
[03:05] <AlecTaylor> hi
[03:06] <AlecTaylor> Trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, it told me to remove ppas so I ran https://askubuntu.com/a/646918, now getting apt: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:09] <sarnold> AlecTaylor: pastebin the commands you ran?
[03:10] <AlecTaylor> find /etc/apt/sources.list.d -type f -name "*.list" -print0 | \
[03:10] <AlecTaylor> sarnold - while read -d $'\0' file; do awk -F/ '/deb / && /ppa\.launchpad\.net/ {system("sudo ppa-purge -y ppa:"$4"/"$5)}' "$file"; done
[03:11] <sarnold> AlecTaylor: note that step 2 included the list that was going to purged -- what's that list?
[03:11] <AlecTaylor> sarnold: I cleared my screen
[03:11] <sarnold> ouch
[03:11] <LOA_online> AlecTaylor: me thinks he removed all the ppas
[03:12] <AlecTaylor> So what do I do? - Happy for a clean upgrade, but will be annoyed if I need to back it all up and clean install
[03:18] <sarnold> AlecTaylor: try downloading and installing this package http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-8/libgcc1_8.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04_amd64.deb
[03:19] <AlecTaylor> Thanks
[03:20] <sarnold> time for me to run; good luck with this one AlecTaylor, I hope that's the only thing you're missing. this might be a long process otherwise..
[03:20] <AlecTaylor> do-release upgrade seems to be working…
[03:21] <sarnold> I used apt-file to find likely paths, then dpkg -S on a bionic machine to double-check, then apt-cache policy to make sure I was selecting the right version from the archive
[03:21] <sarnold> YES
[03:21] <sarnold> that sounds promising :)
[03:21] <sarnold> good luck, have fun
[03:41] <AlecTaylor> Restarted and it works sarnold - 20.04 FTW
[05:16] <kinghat> sudo rtcwake -m no -l -t $(date +%s -d "today 03:55") why would it respond with > rtcwake: wakeup using /dev/rtc0 at Sat Jun  6 08:54:59 2020?
[05:17] <kinghat> same with -u and using seconds, 03:55:00. i have a backup that needs to run at 04:00 so i need to wake the system.
[05:35] <blogten> hi, I'm trying to get Desktop Ubuntu 20.04 LTS installed.  after installation proceeds on a blank disk with nothing on it, booting lands me in grub and nothing further happens.  sometimes I see lots of syntax error complaints from grub as well.  I did not specify special instructions for partitioning.  how do I figure out what's going on?
[05:41] <BrokenNephilim> success. running ubuntu from usb.
[05:42] <blogten> right, so that's what I did... get the ISO, put it on a USB disk, plug to the machine, install to the boot drive (no updates, nothing special, nothing custom).  result: grub, and doesn't boot.  the previous attempt resulted in grub with syntax errors all over the place, and still wouldn't boot.
[05:45] <BrokenNephilim> i do have grub at boot but a simple bios tweak and i left it as las priority in the boot sequence.
[05:46] <BrokenNephilim> funny how i needed a usb to install ubuntu to another usb though. took a while but was simple enough
[05:48] <blogten> I get the grub command line, not the grub menu to boot ubuntu.  ubuntu just does not boot.
[06:33] <blogten> installing Ubuntu again with the BIOS set to Legacy boot results in another boot failure, but this time there is a useful message "invalid arch-independent ELF magic".  why would this happen on a fresh install?...
[06:35] <zetheroo> just noticed something weird on my Ubuntu 20.04 laptop ... when the lid is closed and the laptop is in sleep/suspend mode Pidgin periodically reconnects. :D I hear the audible notification and when I wake the laptop after a couple hours the Pidgin Nicksrv window is open and showing multiple connect messages ... how can this be happening!?
[06:37] <akem> Hey, anyone got an apparmor profile that works for "skypeforlinux"? I try to create one, but it prevent skype from launching :X
[06:44] <artistsvoid> think my 20.04 install is broken (I used the minimal.iso to install, as I always do) - update upgrade dist-upgrade run, but NEVER upgrade ANYTHING, and trying to install gnome-tweak-tool says I've held broken packages, relevant screenshot https://i.imgur.com/ezYS6nr.png - can anyone else recommend where to look at?
[06:46] <artistsvoid> if I can't fix this I will re-install, but I hope I can fix it somehow
[06:50] <OnceMe> hello df -h says /dev/sda5              184G  157G   18G  90% / however for my /home/onceme it ndcu says only 64G is used, where is the rest used??
[06:51] <BT40> some of my keys in keyboard are not working correctly. nothing is typed hen i press them. earlier they ere fine. i have tried these commands but no solution ..... sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration         ..... sudo loadkeys us
[06:51] <BT40> please help i ont be able to login nexttime if passor eys are messed up
[06:53] <BT40> also restarted system 2 times even after commands no improvement
[07:02] <sherlock> One machine where I did a fresh Ubuntu 18.04 install has the following:
[07:02] <sherlock> $ pip3 --version
[07:02] <sherlock> pip 20.1.1 from /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pip (python 3.6)
[07:02] <sherlock> Where as, another system upgraded to Ubuntu 18.04 from 16.04 has the following:
[07:02] <sherlock> $ pip3 --version
[07:02] <sherlock> pip 9.0.1 from /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages (python 3.6)
[07:17] <petrj> is there a complete/exhaustive list of packages that are preinstalled in the standard ubuntu image?
[07:21]  * artistsvoid fixed his problem * DONE * PROBLEM FIXED *
[07:22] <sherlock> Is there any apt switch that lets me figure out which package some installed files came from?
[07:22] <spronkey> hi all - does anyone have any ideas on how to debug a purple screen after login?
[07:23] <artistsvoid> spronkey: damn I had that as well, grub options I think, lemme check
[07:23] <spronkey> I've just added an nvidia gtx960 to the machine (i5 3450 with iGPU theoretically disabled), which boots fine on nouveau, but won't boot with any of the installed nvidia drivers. Just log in, then purpe
[07:25] <spronkey> I did somehow manage to have it working via gtx960 but plugged in via the iGPU first time I booted (as needed to switch bios over but missed the del key!), possibly doing offloading via nvidia prime?, wondering whether its stuck in some state somehow
[07:25] <artistsvoid> spronkey: this might not be the fix for you, but try making the following change in /etc/default/grub
[07:25] <artistsvoid> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet"
[07:25] <artistsvoid> that should eliminate the purple screen
[07:25] <spronkey> i had quiet splash
[07:25] <spronkey> swapped order
[07:26] <spronkey> do I need to run a cmd to get that to stick?
[07:26] <artistsvoid> spronkey: you can hold down shift during boot, change it there, and it should boot
[07:26] <artistsvoid> to make it stick you will have to edit /etc/default/grub
[07:26] <spronkey> yep, just edited, will see what happens
[07:26] <artistsvoid> spronkey: hope it helps
[07:26] <spronkey> login screen...
[07:27] <spronkey> aaaaaand purple
[07:27] <spronkey> :(
[07:27] <spronkey> there's no ouse cursor either
[07:27] <artistsvoid> :/
[07:27] <artistsvoid> I haven't had a dedicated GPU for many years now, I'm sorry
[07:28] <spronkey> Jun  6 19:27:11 garold systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
[07:28] <spronkey> thats last entry in syslog
[07:28] <spronkey> no errors in dmesg
[07:28] <artistsvoid> hope someone can help you, I think I can't
[07:28]  * spronkey tries turning on and off his tv
[07:29] <spronkey> damn
[07:29] <spronkey> haha
[07:29] <spronkey> no luck there either
[07:30] <spronkey> oo amybe i should delete .nvidia-settings.rc
[07:31] <spronkey> considering it was working when hdmi was plugged in to igpu first time I booted, and dthe nvidia driver was definitely loaded and detecting card, i'm thinking there might be some sort of stray setting
[07:32] <akem_> spronkey, "dpkg -S /bin/ls" <- what package provides /bin/ls.
[07:33] <spronkey> coreutils
[07:33] <akem_> Yeah, i mean if you need to know it for some other file on your system.
[07:33] <spronkey> akem_ : coreutils: /bin/ls
[07:33] <spronkey> oh i see
[07:33] <akem_> It was just an example.
[07:34] <spronkey> hmm... no path for nvidia-settings.rc
[07:34] <spronkey> guessing it gets created once oyu load nvidia tool or something
[07:35] <spronkey> proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.automount                    loaded active waiting   Arbitrary Executable File Formats File System Automount Point
[07:38] <zetheroo> just noticed something weird on my Ubuntu 20.04 laptop ... when the lid is closed and the laptop is in sleep/suspend mode Pidgin periodically reconnects. :D I hear the audible notification and when I wake the laptop after a couple hours the Pidgin Nicksrv window is open and showing multiple connect messages ... how can this be happening!?
[07:40] <spronkey> oh interesting, ubuntu on wayland works
[08:01] <spronkey> yeah.... purple screen on x
[08:01] <spronkey> opens fine on wayland
[08:01] <spronkey> but nvidia drivers dont seem to work on wayland...
[08:03] <mixfix41> i think theyve been working alright
[08:04] <mixfix41> is it not the nvidia drivers then it might be nouveau iirc
[08:04] <mixfix41> i could be wrong
[08:04] <mixfix41> make sure xorg.conf is present when using the nvidia drivers
[08:04] <mixfix41> actually the nvidia blob puts it there so it should be there
[08:55] <coconut> How should i configure swapping when creating a multiboot of more distro's?
[09:07] <viktor_> hi. i'm trying to set up mdadm to send email. but sending a test msg i get the error from google that my ip isn't authorized. can i configure sendmail to log in to google smtp somehow, or is there another workaround?
[09:51] <spronkey> hmm, how can i, via CLI, reinstall nvidia drivers and have them do whatever they need to do xorg config to remove whatever random settings are in place at the moment?
[09:51] <spronkey> My machine will log in to a blank purple screen unless I remove /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf
[10:02] <viktor_> spronkey: something like this? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1823659
[10:02] <spronkey> viktor_ yeah, i've basically been doing that, along with apt remove --purge nvidia*
[10:02] <spronkey> but I think i've mangled my config
[10:04] <viktor_> spronkey: if you purged there shouldn't be a config file anymore
[10:08] <spronkey> something is really screwed
[10:08] <spronkey> i reinstalled xorg
[10:08] <spronkey> and now i get a white screen with a desktop, but nothing is actually clickable
[10:11] <Joeboy> Hi. I'm trying to work out why an app (Signal Desktop Messenger) is showing in my list of applications when I press the windows key. I can't find where it's installed. Tried finding / grepping for .desktop files with signal in the name, I don't seem to have any. Any ideas?
[10:22] <Joeboy> I found this: /home/joe/snap/chromium/1143/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/bikioccmkafdpakkkcpdbppfkghcmihk/0.48.1_0/protos/WhisperTextProtocol.proto, which I guess might be related, but not sure and if it is, I don't know how I'd uninstall it.
[10:22] <Joeboy> Maybe I just have to live with having a redundant app on my computer.
[10:23] <Joeboy> Or maybe I can just delete that folder
[10:23] <Joeboy> Who knows.
[10:25] <Joeboy> It sort of looks like I have two versions of chromium installed under snap, but only one shows up in snap list.
[10:26] <Joeboy> (I hate snap)
[10:48] <mort> uh, why is the nvidia driver version in ubuntu 20.04 called 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6
[10:48] <mort> why is the version 440.82 when it's really 440.64
[10:49] <mort> and how do I convince apt to actually get the proper 440.82 driver from the graphics drivers ppa
[10:50] <tatertots> mort: by specifying specifically what package you want to install
[10:50] <tatertots> mort: verbatim
[10:51] <mort> tatertots: like `apt install nvidia-driver-440=440.82-0ubuntu0~<IP_ADDRESS>` I assume? That just tells me I have held broken packages
[10:51] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/UJI
[10:52] <mort> and why would there be a version called 440.82+really.440.64, why isn't that just version 440.64
[10:53] <tatertots> mort: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[10:53] <mort> yes
[10:53] <tatertots> mort: in terminal>    apt show nvidia-driver|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:53] <tatertots> mort: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[10:54] <mort> https://termbin.com/ybxr
[10:54] <mort> that's not very helpful
[10:54] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/mdA
[10:54] <mort> that's for nvidia-driver-440 though
[10:56] <tatertots> looks like you have only one candidate which is 440 and already installed
[10:56] <tatertots> so there's nothing left for you to do
[10:56] <mort> but the version installed is 440.64, the graphics-drivers ppa has version 440.82
[10:57] <mort> but ubuntu's 440.64 version seemingly lies to apt and says it's 440.82
[10:57] <tatertots> it's really 440.82 so same thing
[10:57] <tatertots> no difference to fuss over
[10:58] <mort> so you're saying 440.82+really.440.64 is really 440.82?   I'm sure there's a good reason. It's just frustrating is all, especially to be met with y'all thinking this is all my fault somehow
[11:33] <pragomer> hi. I bought a brand new lenovo ideapad s145 and wifi is not working at all with 20.04. "additional drivers" does not find a driver. please I need urgent help.
[11:34] <pragomer> how can I detect my wifi card? I am sure it must be a f... realtek thing, right?
[11:35] <mort> pragomer: can you do `lspci | nc termbin.com 9999`?
[11:36] <BluesKaj> pragomer, try nmcli device wifi list
[11:38] <pragomer> mort: the output is https://termbin.com/lay6
[11:38] <pragomer> BluesKaj: this command outputs nothing (empty prompt)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:39] <jeremy31> pragomer: check BIOS settings, see if WLAN is disabled
[11:39] <pragomer> Ok, checking bios.. just a second..
[11:40] <pragomer> Secure boot is off, Wifi is on
[11:41] <pragomer> https://termbin.com/lay6   I cannot see what wifi chip is in it.... right?
[11:41] <mort> I googled Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device c82f, it seems like that's associated with lots of people having network issues
[11:41] <pragomer> omg... even the touchpad does not work either
[11:42] <pragomer> man I am so frustrated
[11:42] <ioria> pragomer, a bit verbose maybe : lspci -nnk
[11:43] <pragomer> ioria: https://pastebin.com/CCy37ysP
[11:43] <BluesKaj> nmcli device wifi list should show wifi signals in your area, even if they aren't yours
[11:44] <mort> BluesKaj: not if the wifi card isn't even detected by the kernel
[11:44] <ioria> pragomer, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1216699/wifi-adapter-not-found-in-ubuntu-18-04-no-drivers-for-device-rtl8822ce
[11:46] <Dr_Coke> Hey BluesKaj :)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hi Dr_Coke
[11:47] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj, How are you ?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> doing ok here Dr_Coke, how about you?
[11:48] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj, I got an issue with my car it's to low and it's split the front guard I was pretty upset when I found that out
[11:48] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj, but apart from that I am doing ok
[11:48] <BluesKaj> right
[11:50] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj, how is kubuntu coming along?
[11:51] <BluesKaj> running fine, Groovy is just "groovy" :-)
[11:51] <Dr_Coke> lol
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, gotta keep this conversation to support, otherwise we'll be reminded to
[11:53] <Dr_Coke> oh
[11:53] <BluesKaj> yup, a little more strict than ##linux
[11:55] <Dr_Coke> damn
[12:01] <BluesKaj> there are offtopic chans like ubuntu-offtopic or kubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[12:03] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj, talk later man
[12:03] <Dr_Coke> I need a shower
[12:03] <An_Si1224> hallo world
[12:07] <xbfrog> hi
[12:08] <xbfrog> you have a question?
[12:10] <BluesKaj> do you?
[12:10] <xbfrog> nope, i fixed all my issues
[12:11] <xbfrog> now running ubuntu on both my laptops, exited win 10 it wss annoying
[12:12] <BluesKaj> xbfrog, pragomer has an issue with wifi card detection, it's non-existent
[12:12] <xbfrog> been a user of win since win 3.1
[12:12] <xbfrog> i fixed my wifi issue
[12:13] <xbfrog> seems its easier to didable UEFI than to use it
[12:13] <xbfrog> disable rather
[12:15] <xbfrog> too bad, they dont kake it easier to use
[12:15] <xbfrog> ugh make
[12:16] <xbfrog> i needed additional wifi drivers and they wouldnt work till i disabled UEFI
[12:16] <xbfrog> propierity
[12:16] <xbfrog> ugh, cant pell it right
[12:18] <xbfrog> then "wala" there was wireless
[12:19] <xbfrog> but of course you know all of this
[12:20] <xbfrog> the learning curve in linux is sometimes steep
[12:21] <xbfrog> ok, really? most times
[12:22] <xbfrog> nice install, nice interface
[12:23] <xbfrog> but then there are somethings that command line experts want you to do thru the command line, no gui
[12:23] <xbfrog> this is why i hated DOS
[12:24] <xbfrog> syntax errors are super annoying
[12:24]  * coconut whispers something about offtopic to xbfrog
[12:24] <xbfrog> gohead my lovely
[12:25] <MBoard> hi all, I have a desktop with Ubuntu 18.04 and I have 3 SSD drives.  Seems like I cannot get permission to write anything to the 2 other SSD drives, but I can write to the main SSD drive as well as a standard SATA drive.
[12:25] <MBoard> Do I need to change permissions or something on ubuntu to access the 2 drives which I cannot access at the moment?
[12:26] <MBoard> in case it makes any difference, the drives seem to be mounted as I can see them on the desktop, I can open the drives which are empty, but I cannot write to the drives
[12:38] <BluesKaj> MBoard, probly try adding the ssds to /etc/fstab if lsblk lists them
[12:41] <MBoard> BluesKaj yes I just added these now, will reboot to see what happens.  Thank you
[13:08] <Severs> quick question, im sure its normal since it just happens every once in a while and they go away when i reboot, but why do i sometimes see a random sized unmountable volume appear on my desktop?
[13:21] <tatertots> Severs: snaps/flatpacks or whatever they are calling them now days
[13:22] <Severs> ah, so is it just Ubuntu updating those in the background then? I don't really install anything on here and i notice they pop up once or twice a week and just sit there until i reboot
[13:25] <leftyfb> tatertots: what?
[13:25] <leftyfb> tatertots: snaps will not do what Severs is reporting
[13:26] <severs_> so it's something else then?
[13:27] <leftyfb> severs_: the next time you see it, open a terminal and type: mount
[13:27] <leftyfb> severs: save that list and free to pastebin it here for someone to examine
[13:27] <severs> i have one here right now actually, its what made me think of it
[13:27] <leftyfb> also screenshot the icon
[13:29] <severs> can i send it to you?
[13:30] <leftyfb> severs: pastebin here please
[13:30] <severs> https://pastebin.com/vq1UFjds
[13:30] <severs> https://imgur.com/a/1ewXJBI
[13:32] <severs> now if i attempt to tell Ubuntu to mount it it says "Failed to mount 'Volume' The given volume was not found" which makes me feel like its just some background updating thing going on
[13:35] <leftyfb> severs: sorry, nothing I notice at the moment and I need to step away for the day
[13:38] <Wayward_Vagabond> How do I disable the trash/trashcan system in ubuntu 18.04?
[13:38] <Wayward_Vagabond> I can't remember how I turned it off last time, or really find anything about it, and not seeing any obvious settings
[13:39] <coconut> Hi. I am trying to install ubuntu mate 20.04 on a new laptop. What do i have to do with secure boot?(i am new with uefi and secure boot and have no idea what this is).
[13:44] <severs> @coconut try this https://www.pcworld.com/article/2951559/how-to-install-linux-on-a-pc-with-secure-boot-enabled.html
[13:44] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'm finding stuff that auto deletes trash items or removes the icon, but nothing about disabling the entire lot instead of just hiding it
[13:45] <oerheks> coconut, see the uefi manual..
[13:45] <oerheks> !uefi
[13:46] <coconut> oerheks, ok thanks, but do i need secureboot?
[13:46] <oerheks> secureboot is fine, fastboot not.
[13:47] <coconut> oerheks, install asks for password for secureboot. Can i just choose one, or do i have to cp one from uefi?
[13:47] <Ben64> i turned secureboot off
[13:47] <oerheks> sunno, the bios password?
[13:47] <oerheks> c/dunno
[13:48] <oerheks> that password is the last defence against malware
[13:48] <oerheks> grinn
[13:59] <coconut> Do i really need to create a EFI-system partition?
[14:00] <oerheks> with secureboot/uefi, yes
[14:01] <oerheks> but ubuntu does that for you
[14:01] <coconut> oerheks, when i disable secureboot(need to do that from uefi bios right?) i don't need this?
[14:02] <oerheks> without secureboot, you have legacy mbr i guess
[14:03] <oerheks> it is all in the manual?
[14:04] <coconut> yeah i do not like reading manuals too much, but hehe i will try
[14:18] <Wayward_Vagabond> I don't have secureboot on here, but still use an efi partion and gpt-partition table on boot drives
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> Joeboy: contact:   https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop/issues
[14:28] <coconut> oerheks, do you find secure boot viable yourself?
[14:28] <viju> Hello, the ethernet connection doesn't work for me on Ubuntu. I can connect using wifi. I am not sure what I have changed that caused it to not connect me anymore. Plugging in the ethernet cable to the computer doesn't work. How can I get this to fix? Ubuntu 18.04
[14:29] <oerheks> coconut, yes.
[14:29] <coconut> ok, will try to install it then...
[14:30] <jeremy31> viju: what ethernet device?
[14:30] <viju> I am not sure how to answer that.
[14:31] <oerheks> swap internet cable?
[14:31] <viju> I don't know what you mean by ethernet device
[14:33] <viju> The cable is good, it worked with the other PC I use
[14:34] <viju> Does libvirtd have to do anything with this?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> viju: if you want help with your ubuntu issue, its reccomended you elaborate on details as asked about; the brand/model of your ethernet device, your kernel version, your ubuntu point release etc...
[14:39] <oerheks> is this an ubuntu install in libvirt?
[14:39] <viju> lotuspsychje: I don't understand what they mean by ethernet device. I can get you the kernel version and what's point release?
[14:40] <oerheks> lspci would show the network card ID/chipset
[14:40] <oerheks> and what ubuntu version?
[14:41] <viju> oerheks: I installed a couple of things long time ago. I am not sure what that is for. After searching on the internet I think it's something to do with virtualbox. I use for windows and other OS. Ubuntu is natively run though
[14:41] <bluez_> Hey guys
[14:41] <viju> oerheks: ubuntu 18.04
[14:41] <bluez_> I have setup a static ipv6 on net plan but there is also another ipv6 through Slaac with a route
[14:42] <bluez_> How can I ensure my static ipv6 is used as the default and not the slaac one?
[14:42] <viju> This uname -a output: Linux den 4.15.0-101-generic #102-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 11 10:07:26 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:43] <jeremy31> viju: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:44] <viju> https://termbin.com/phvs
[14:49] <jeremy31> viju: URL for> ifconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:50] <viju> ifconfig output: https://termbin.com/93rg9
[14:52] <jeremy31> viju: check network manager, see if IPv4 is set to ignore or disable
[14:57] <oerheks> the networkcable should work, driver loaded, and no issues reported with that driver, AFAIK
[14:57] <oerheks> so, what is missing in your information?
[15:04] <viju> I've been using Ubuntu for more than 10 years like a grandma and I still struggle with simple things I am sorry, I don't know how to look for the information. If I knew I would definitely share it.
[15:04] <viju> Thanks for your help
[16:29] <lifeboy> I have deleted the boot partition of my laptop NVMe drive which was formatted with the Ubuntu 18.04 installer using LVM and encruption.  The machine is still running and the main encrypted partition is entact and readible (aamof I'm actually posting this from the machine).  I need to recreate the boot partition.  How can I do that?
[16:30] <lifeboy> I have tried recovery with various tools (like gparted and others), but nothing is found to recover.
[16:30] <tatertots> lifeboy: have you reboot yet?
[16:30] <lifeboy> tatertots: No, the system won't boot if I do!
[16:31] <tatertots> lifeboy: you should back up any important data/files then
[16:31] <lifeboy> I have done so
[16:31] <lifeboy> to my NAS
[16:32] <tatertots> lifeboy: did you learn any lesson from deleting partitions?
[16:32] <lifeboy> I'm thinking it can't be too difficult to only create a new boot partition, must can't find how to do it
[16:33] <tatertots> lifeboy: you can boot LiveCD/LiveUSB and play with partitions all day
[16:33] <lifeboy> tatertots: you mean like focus on what you're doing late at night when you mean to format a flash drive? :-o
[16:33] <tatertots> lifeboy: you'd need to do it from LiveCD/LiveUSB
[16:34] <tatertots> lifeboy: so you might as well just reinstall and chalk it up to a lesson and be more careful in the future
[16:35] <lifeboy> tatertots: I can do that yes, but then I don't learn anything new in the process.  Never waste a disaster as a learning opportunity.
[16:37] <lifeboy> I was hoping that somewhere someone has written down what the boot partition starting and ending sectors are for LVM with 18.04.  The boot info is there, I just need to add the partition details again
[16:37] <tatertots> lifeboy: lol..you can do anything on active partition so you'll be booting to some LiveCD/LiveUSB to repair or recover no matter what...there's nothing more or new for you to learn in this circumstance besides pick the correct disk and double check you've picked the correct disk before making "destructive" changes to partitions
[16:38] <tatertots> can/cannot
[16:38] <lifeboy> tatertots: do you come from the windows world??  With the reinstall advice I mean...   That's not the linus way, is it?
[16:38] <tatertots> lifeboy: you couldn't pick the right block device ....are you sure it's not YOU that came from windows world LMAO
[16:40] <lifeboy> I want to recreate the boot partition. I know it's possible, but I need the parameters.
[16:40] <urxtnw>  Can rm -rf / typed without privileges still do damage?
[16:40] <lifeboy> Reinstalling is so last century...
[16:40] <tatertots> lifeboy: looks like you better got to google'n or duckduckgo'n
[16:40] <tatertots> got/get
[16:41] <lifeboy> I have, but no luck, which is why I'm here.
[16:42] <lifeboy> I'll hang around, maybe someone knows
[16:42] <tatertots> ask one of the mods..they might have a link for situation where a person has borked their installation / boot and steps to repair
[16:43] <tatertots> there's a tool call bootrec/boot repair that will do it...but you still have to boot it from LiveCD/LiveUSB
[16:44] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:44] <tatertots> you could use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair maybe it'll save your bacon
[17:20] <EriC^^> lifeboy: hey what's up
[17:21] <EriC^^> lifeboy: by boot partition you mean the efi partition?
[18:04] <sharpertool> I have a terminal in an embedded Ubuntu system. The editing is hopelessly messed up. Editing a single line wraps before the terminal end, and using vi or vim on a file just scrolls to the end of file, and editing is impossible.
[18:05] <sharpertool> Moving up to the top line of the sceeen just displays a single line, scrolled.
[18:05] <sharpertool> I set TERM variable, and used stty rows and colums to match the current size.
[18:05] <sharpertool> Not sure what other knobs to turn to make things work
[18:16] <devios> I have a Brother MFC-L2700DW Printer/Scanner/Fax that's connected to my wifi network.  Ubuntu found and prints to it over the network no problem, but I can't seem to find any info on how to use the scanner over the network on Ubuntu.  Its http://192.168.x.x/scan/scan.html feature doesn't seem to work in Chrome or Firefox or even in IE or Edge on a Windows machine, so that's useless.
[18:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> Hey! One of my friends is trying to install ubuntu 20.04 and he's getting following screen on opening the installer: https://upload.disroot.org/r/2r8PnL82#kcM9LCsrcn31KWDkTsAdC1upSX4EgqpKQMqaRYJr7UI=
[18:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> Any ideas?
[18:18] <oerheks> devios, maybe the scanner wiki is any help; see sane https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Scanners#Setting_up_Network_Scanning
[18:20] <zetheroo>  just noticed something weird on my Ubuntu 20.04 laptop ... when the lid is closed and the laptop is in sleep/suspend mode Pidgin periodically reconnects. :D I hear the audible notification and when I wake the laptop after a couple hours the Pidgin Nicksrv window is open and showing multiple connect messages ... how can this be happening!?
[18:20] <devios> oerheks, that seems to point to instructions for plugging the scanner into a server and setting up sane daemon on that server so networked clients can use it.
[18:20] <dominic34> @The_LoudSpeaker  I'm no expert, but I believe that has something to do with Ubuntu not picking up the graphics card.
[18:22] <dominic34> @The_LoudSpeaker This article may also help. https://itsfoss.com/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected/
[18:23] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[18:26] <devios> zerotex_, what model of laptop is it?  have you searched to see if there's anyone talking about [your-model ubuntu sleep mode] in search engines or for a page about your model in the ubuntu wiki?
[18:27] <devios> zetheroo, what model of laptop is it?  have you searched to see if there's anyone talking about [your-model ubuntu sleep mode] in search engines or for a page about your model in the ubuntu wiki?
[18:27] <devios> sorry zerotex_
[18:27] <zetheroo> devios: Thinkpad T450s
[18:29] <zetheroo> devios: I haven't found anything applicable online
[18:33] <devios> zetheroo, closest think I found so far: https://web.math.rochester.edu/people/faculty/akrish11/2015/04/10/lenovo-thinkpad-t450s-review-and-linux-arch-and-ubuntu-install.html via https://duckduckgo.com/?q=T450s+%2B%22sleep%22+%2Bubuntu&t=canonical&ia=web
[18:35] <zetheroo> devios: thanks but that's a bit old (2015). I only had this problem with 20.04, never with 18.04
[18:47] <shibboleth> https://techtudor.blogspot.com/2020/06/four-reasons-why-snaps-are-anti-pattern.html
[18:47] <shibboleth> https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-mint-dumps-ubuntu-snap/
[18:49] <oerheks> shibboleth, interesting.. but this is ubuntu support, not your mint fan channel
[18:49] <shibboleth> never actually used mint
[18:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> dominic34: the laptop has no dedicated graphics. Only intel integrated ones
[18:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> Right now trying the kernel parameters mentioned in the link you sent.
[18:50] <shibboleth> but i have been telling you lot that the whole snap-thing is a huge mistake
[18:50] <oerheks> shibboleth, take that to #ubuntu-discuss, thanks
[18:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> +1
[19:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> dominic34: the kernel parameters from that link worked. Thanks!
[19:48] <ice99> guys, would you help me with this poll as it will help with a future project, thanks! https://www.quiz-maker.com/poll2964876x7a3447f2-87
[19:49] <oerheks> ice99, no, wrong channel for that.
[19:50] <oerheks> !coc > ice99
[19:59] <billybigrigger> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:59] <billybigrigger>  linux-image-4.15.0-91-generic : Depends: linux-modules-4.15.0-91-generic but it is not installed
[19:59] <billybigrigger> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[19:59] <billybigrigger> is it safe to run --fix-broken install while messing with kernel packages?
[19:59] <billybigrigger> or am i caught in a mirror refresh where there are missing pkgs on the repo?
[19:59] <oerheks> 'while messing with' .. what are you doing?
[20:00] <billybigrigger> apt update && apt upgrade is all im trying to do
[20:00] <oerheks> it is safe to run fix broken, but howcome it did not install properly?
[20:00] <billybigrigger> haven't touched linux in awhile, and everytime i got package errors while upgrade, and they involve the kernel, it's never good :P
[20:00] <billybigrigger> oerheks i'll paste the log
[20:01] <billybigrigger> https://paste.mozilla.org/EQSr0nxj
[20:01] <oerheks> well, try apt --fix-broken install ??
[20:02] <billybigrigger> ya i can read, i'm asking if it's safe, because i know years ago apt would inform you of a command to fix the error, but always ended up borking it more
[20:03] <oerheks> after that, 137 packages more comming. sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade ## and reboot
[20:04] <billybigrigger> why dist upgrade? i'm not upgrading to a new version
[20:05] <oerheks> no, dist-upgrade does not bring a new version
[20:05] <oerheks> !dist-upgrade
[20:05] <oerheks> newer kernels, core components and such
[20:05] <oerheks> so it might be wise to run that command periodicly, or always like me :-D
[20:06] <RoseBus> what does it mean if i have a * after the filename?
[20:07] <RoseBus> oh i think it just means it's executable
[20:10] <EriC^^> RoseBus: yes
[20:11] <billybigrigger> so apt update && apt upgrade is not the correct way to update ubuntu systems anymore? :P
[20:12] <oerheks> it might not be sufficient. the update app does it right.
[20:12] <billybigrigger> awesome, i think that system hard locked while upgrading systemd
[20:13] <billybigrigger> Processing triggers for systemd (237-3ubuntu10.41) ...
[20:13] <billybigrigger> Progress: [ 95%]
[20:13] <billybigrigger> can't ssh in anymore lol
[20:24] <RoseBus> system requirements for cuda toolkit says i need "linux with a gcc compiler and toolchain"
[20:24] <RoseBus> what is toolchain?
[20:25] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain
[20:25] <oerheks> your build packages and tools.. what guide do you follow?
[20:46] <RoseBus> how can i determine the correct graphics driver?
[20:46] <RoseBus> i have nvidia geforce rtx 2060
[20:47] <RoseBus> i fk'd something up trying to install cuda / nvcc and ended up removing anything with nvidia in its name
[20:47] <RoseBus> now i need to reinstall driver
[20:48] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall, would choose the right one
[20:48] <RoseBus> ty
[20:49] <RoseBus> ls
[20:49] <RoseBus> whops
[20:58] <tripelb> I've said it before and I'll say it again. 20.04 keeps freezing. Sometimes it releases the mouse but not enough to do anything really. I've open the terminal and looked at top. I don't know what to do except to reinstall which takes a lot of time to back up reinstall and then add programs. Can anyone help me diagnose this and fix it?
[20:59] <tripelb> I'm rebooting again.
[20:59] <tripelb> Hi leaftype
[20:59] <tripelb> If you're available I'll repeat my question about 20.04 freezing
[21:14] <fructose> Is there some reason that in Ubuntu MATE Terminal, Ctrl+Shift+s disables the keyboard for just the terminal?
[21:15] <noord> fructose, try ctrl+q
[21:16] <fructose> noord: That generated a bunch of the keys I'd typed and enabled the keyboard again, thanks. Can you tell me why?
[21:18] <noord> fructose, https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/12146
[21:21] <fructose> noord: Thanks!
[21:34] <john_rambo> I want to re encode a video to change its aspect ratio to 16:9 ...How can I do that ?
[21:41] <fructose> john_rambo: ffmpeg I'd think
[22:02] <trashly> .
[22:10] <Mordoc> ?
[22:11] <Mordoc> Sorry, in the wrong console everyone...
[23:05] <virmaha> Hello. In a folder, I've file a.jpg and a (Custom).jpg . I want to delete all a.jpg files only if there's  "a (Custom).jpg" file
[23:05] <virmaha> how can I do that?
[23:10] <oerheks> there are programs that can spot duplicate photos despite the naming..
[23:10] <Stephanie> How do I remove snapd
[23:10] <virmaha> oerheks , like
[23:11] <oerheks> find Pictures/  -type f -exec md5sum '{}' ';' | sort | uniq --all-repeated=separate -w 15 > dupes.txt  >> https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/how-sort-and-remove-duplicate-photos-linux/
[23:12] <oerheks> or exiftool, same url
[23:12] <oerheks> Stephanie, switch distro if you don't want snap
[23:12] <Stephanie> Can't I just apt purge it?
[23:20] <Atlenohen> Hello
[23:21] <Atlenohen> Do I have to run grub-mkconfig when I change /etc/default/grub ?
[23:22] <oerheks> no, run update-grub
[23:23] <oerheks> !grub
[23:26] <virmaha> thanks oerheks!
[23:28] <Atlenohen> Oh yeah that was a different distro I was watching a tutorial there
[23:30] <Wally> I have this process "/sbin/cpqIde -f" chewing up a high portion of my CPU in Ubuntu, anyone know what it would be used for on a HP Proliant MicroServer?
[23:32] <Wally> Looks like HP's tools but unsure
[23:34] <virmaha> not sure if this is right channel, but when I use ffmpeg to convert my .MOV to .mp4, the audio doesn't work
[23:36] <Wally> yeah sounds like a question for ffmpeg IRC channel :)
[23:36] <virmaha> Wally, posted!
[23:41] <Atlenohen> Hmm ... update-grub also talk about some other OSes on other devices ... so Win10 got put into Grub now, I meant to use this as a removable without either OS seeing each other ... but I guess no harm if it's just a boot option right? Don't want Win10 to be messed up
[23:44] <qpt> Is there a system utility that will run a script at a certain time? Not a cron job because it's not repeating, but I'd like to run script once at, say, 6PM
[23:52] <adam4567> Which is a good scanner program, for Ubuntu 18.04? Gimp 2.8.22 doesn't have a scanner input any more. Simple Scan 3.28.0, works but is not great. Any suggestions welcome.
[23:54] <p0a> Hello
[23:54] <p0a> Is there a program I can use to utilize my laptops camera and capture video?
[23:55] <p0a> i.e. that does exactly that and no more. I'm not looking for jitsi/skype/etc
[23:59] <oerheks> adam4567, sane