[06:19] <trijntje> I got a new build notification via email taking me here, but the download link on the page is dead. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds/19281/testcases
[06:31] <trijntje> this is actually the second one I got, I got another one yesterday which did work. Could the last mail have been a mistake?
[06:34] <jibel> trijntje, be patient, 20101020ubuntu161has just been uploaded
[06:35] <trijntje> jibel: ok, thanks! I didn't know
[06:43] <jibel> yw
[08:44] <jibel> new alternate and server images posted to the tracker
[10:47] <jibel> stgraber, can you verify ltsp ? client fails to boot
[10:47] <jibel> no dhcp offers were received
[10:53] <jibel> hm, there is a mix up with the interface
[10:53] <jibel> s
[12:00] <gema> RAOF: I am off for the rest of the week
[12:00] <gema> RAOF: can you send me an email so that I can follow up with you next week?
[12:00] <gema> RAOF: ideally with as many details as you can
[12:01] <RAOF> gema: Certainly
[12:01] <gema> RAOF: thanks
[13:11] <stgraber> jibel: ltsp on alternate I guess?
[13:12] <jibel_> stgraber, yes, I tried another install which looked good but I couldn't see the end, my machine died of a memory burnout :/
[13:13] <stgraber> jibel_: fun... I'll give it a shot a bit later. LTSP hasn't changed since precise so I'm not really expecting any regression. Though I uploaded isc-dhcp 4.2, so if something broke, it's likely because of that.
[13:15] <jibel_> stgraber, right and that was my first guess, but investigating further showed the eth switched during boot and dhcp was attached to the wrong one.
[13:15] <stgraber> weird, I thought udev wasn't supposed to do that anymore :)
[13:17] <jibel_> well, usually I have eth0: intel eth1: amd so I know which is which but this time I had during installation eth0: amd eth1: intel, I picked intel as primary but after installation the order was different
[13:17] <jibel_> maybe it hides something else
[13:57] <patdk-wk> yay, iscsi tests failing
[14:01] <jibel_> oh that was a while ago
[14:01] <jibel_> jamespage, ^
[14:01] <patdk-wk> hmm?
[14:02] <jibel_> jamespage, did you test it ?
[14:02] <jamespage> jibel_, patdk-wk: I just did it now - reboot after install is very flakey
[14:02] <jamespage> I got one to boot after a couple of ctrl-alt-del's
[14:03] <patdk-wk> I'll try some more reboots
[14:03] <patdk-wk> so far both failed for me, amd64, with iscsi auth and no auth
[14:03] <jamespage> patdk-wk, yeah - same for me
[14:04] <jamespage> patdk-wk, just out of interest how are you running your tests?
[14:04] <patdk-wk> you try i386 yet?
[14:04] <jamespage> patdk-wk, still waiting for the iso to sync
[14:04] <jamespage> (only have 4MBps connection)
[14:04] <patdk-wk> they are vmware vm's, netbooting with the latest ipxe git, against ietd
[14:05] <jamespage> patdk-wk, yeah - I do much the same but with tgt
[14:05] <patdk-wk> I gave up using my real iscsi san device for it
[14:05] <patdk-wk> as the installer uses 2 different iscsi names :( 3 if you include ipxe
[14:06] <jamespage> patdk-wk, if you are interested - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/+junk/iscsi-testing
[14:06] <jamespage> I spin everything off the uuid of the VM that gets created
[14:08] <patdk-wk> I just wish the installer, when you select iscsi, would tell you the initiator name
[14:08] <patdk-wk> and then *reuse* that name for the actual install, instead of changing it
[14:08] <patdk-wk> or best it, show and let you edit :)
[14:08] <patdk-wk> I filed a bug about it awhile back
[14:09] <patdk-wk> I can't ever get mine to boot, always failing
[14:09]  * patdk-wk moves on to i386
[14:14] <jamespage> patdk-wk, I can get 64/auth to boot occasionally
[14:14] <patdk-wk> I can't :(
[14:14] <patdk-wk> I'm 0 for 6
[14:15] <jamespage> patdk-wk, have you raised a bug report yet?
[14:15] <patdk-wk> no
[14:15] <patdk-wk> was waiting for my i386 results
[14:16] <patdk-wk> they are 90% done install
[14:17] <jamespage> patdk-wk, I'll raise one now
[14:18] <patdk-wk> ya, my iso's downloaded at 8MB/sec today :)
[14:20] <jamespage> patdk-wk, bug 1028458
[14:20] <patdk-wk> looks same on i386
[14:22] <patdk-wk> do you get the ipconfig: no devices to configure, lines?
[14:27] <jamespage> patdk-wk, hmm - no
[14:27] <jamespage> In actual fact I think the servers do boot - it just does not look like they do from the console
[14:27] <patdk-wk> no, mine defently are not working with dhcp
[14:27] <patdk-wk> though, I should check tcpdump to be sure :)
[14:29] <patdk-wk> ya, I get no dhcp requests on the network
[14:30] <patdk-wk> maybe slight difference from you using preseed and I using the normal installer
[14:38] <patdk-wk> so your just getting warnings, but I'm actually failing
[14:39] <patdk-wk> guess a dhcp retry or something is working for you
[14:47] <patdk-wk> ya, there is no dhcp client in my initrd image :(
[14:50] <patdk-wk> ya, that is the difference :)
[14:50] <patdk-wk> your using static ip I guess
[14:51] <stgraber> jibel_: looks like we indeed have a dhcpd problem on quantal...
[14:51] <jibel> stgraber, what is it ?
[14:52] <stgraber> jibel: "Can't open /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases for append."
[14:53] <stgraber> jibel: apparmor profile kind of problem apparently
[14:53] <jibel> stgraber, introduced by isc-dhcp 4.2.4 or apparmor ?
[14:55] <stgraber> jibel: trying to figure out that part now, can be any of kernel, apparmor or isc-dhcp...
[14:55] <jibel> yay, respin !
[14:55] <stgraber> I'm surprised server hasn't noticed yet as it should affect them just as much...
[14:58] <stgraber> jibel: I'll go talk to #security... the profile looks good AFAICT, and I don't get any apparmor DENIED in the log, but disabling apparmor makes it work again... sounds like a kernel bug to me
[14:58] <jibel> stgraber, ack, keep me informed
[14:59] <jamespage> patdk-wk, no static addresses - all dhcp
[14:59] <patdk-wk> actually I figured it
[14:59] <patdk-wk> running, /scripts/local-top/iscsi again, at initramfs prompt, fixs it
[14:59] <patdk-wk> I guess that script is starting too soon
[15:02] <stgraber> jibel: can you file a bug against apparmor?
[15:02] <patdk-wk> yep, running that script fixs all of the tests
[15:03] <patdk-wk> that is the issue, that script is bombing out on /run isn't mounted yet
[15:03] <patdk-wk> but /run has time to mount when yo uget the prompt
[15:03] <patdk-wk> so the script runs fine then
[15:05] <jamespage> stgraber, the automated test on does a minimal verification
[15:05] <jibel> stgraber, sure, but I lost everything with my machine crash and it clearly fails to boot now. something like 'panic early exception rip 10'
[15:05] <jibel> stgraber, Ill have to setup a new system and that'll take a moment
[15:06] <stgraber> jibel: to reproduce, all you need is a working dhcpd, rm /var/lib/dhcp/*, touch /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases, chown dhcpd.dhcpd /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases, then start dhcpd
[15:06] <jibel> stgraber, ah ok, I'll do that
[15:06] <stgraber> and you'll get the "Can't open /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases for append.". doing "/etc/init.d/apparmor stop && /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown" fixes it.
[15:09] <stgraber> jibel: let me try something, might be able to get out of that mess with a small policy change in isc-dhcp
[15:09] <stgraber> jibel: it currently as "lrw" as allowed modes for dhcpd.leases (link, read, write), which you'd think would include append, but there's a separate "a" flag for that
[15:09] <stgraber> maybe passing it will fix the issue
[15:11] <stgraber> jibel: doesn't work... apparmor says "a" and "w" are mutually exclusive, fun...
[15:13] <jamespage> patdk-wk, I think you are seeing a different issue to me
[15:13] <jamespage> the DHCP bits in my setup are working fine
[15:13] <patdk-wk> hmm
[15:14] <jamespage> ipxe DHCP's OK; mounts the iSCSI volume and then boots the image - I then see what I think is a normal set of DHCPREQUEST|DISCOVER|ACK 's
[15:14] <patdk-wk> I should test it on slower hardware
[15:20] <patdk-wk> na, getting the same exact thing with real (older) hardware
[15:26] <patdk-wk> oh, your just getting that *long delayed* issue
[15:31] <patdk-wk> hmm, seems I didnt' file that bug, and can't locate it now
[15:36] <jamespage> patdk-wk, I don't think so
[15:37] <patdk-wk> no, I used to have that issue
[15:37] <patdk-wk> it would do that, but ssh worked
[15:37] <patdk-wk> for natty I think it was
[15:39] <patdk-wk> bug #728088
[15:39] <patdk-wk> but your not seeing any of the i/o issues? just the fsck?
[15:39] <patdk-wk> wonder if they are hidden? you checked dmesg?
[16:02] <jibel> stgraber, to reproduce I installed a fresh ubuntu-server
[16:02] <jibel> then installed isc-dhcp-server
[16:02] <jibel> reboot
[16:03] <jibel> and dhcpd failed to start with denied messages from apparmor
[16:03] <stgraber> jibel: dac_override?
[16:03] <jibel> stgraber, ?
[16:03] <stgraber> jibel: in the denied message, do you see "dac_override"?
[16:04] <jibel> stgraber, ah, yes
[16:04] <jibel> capname="dac_override"
[16:04] <stgraber> ok, I'll push a new isc-dhcp fixing that
[16:05] <jibel> I'll file a bug for reference
[16:06] <stgraber> jibel: thanks
[17:45] <bdmurray> gema: I just fixed an issue with http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/precise-milestone-bugs.html and was wondering if you all actually use it since it was broken for a while afaict
[20:05] <stgraber> skaet: ltsp works (tested amd64 alternate)
[20:06] <skaet> thanks stgraber :)
[20:38] <phillw> skaet: ping
[20:38] <skaet> phillw,  hiya
[20:39] <phillw> hiyas skaet I've had little 'complaint' from one of our testers. As it is about communication I think it could be resolved very easily?
[20:39] <skaet> phillw,  likely,  what's being looked for?
[20:40] <phillw> I hope not to get caught by the flame bot...
[20:40] <phillw> The spins are coming too fast, unannounced.  If they are pre-announced,
[20:40] <phillw> then I can wait for them to come.  If they hit in the middle of a test,
[20:40] <phillw> then I lose the ability to update or complete the test and all that time
[20:40] <phillw> goes for nothing.  Is there a way to get more of a heads-up for pending
[20:40] <phillw> spins and ISO images
[20:41] <stgraber> weren't the images marked for rebuild on the tracker?
[20:41] <phillw> skaet: it does not sound an unreasonable request
[20:42] <skaet> stgraber,  apparently not.
[20:42] <phillw> stgraber: they may be, but at present there is no notification of a spin being scheduled for XX:YY UTC
[20:43] <stgraber> phillw: that's because spins aren't scheduled for XX:YY UTC ;) if we knew when we'd respin ahead of time, we'd publish a schedule :)
[20:43] <skaet> phillw,   problem is our infrastructure isn't letting us nicely predict when the spins are scheduled,  however the images we've decided to respin should certainly be marked
[20:43] <stgraber> it's usually more like, "within 6 hours of package X being published, everything will be rebuilt"
[20:44] <phillw> stgraber: then maybe, a 'meet in the middle' and annouce that spins will happen in 1 hour from now? I'm sure you guys do take a little time to decide upon a respin?
[20:44] <skaet> we've pretty much got the last batch out of the build infrastructure now (just waiting for WUBI),  so I'll go ahead and mark the ones we'll do the respin on now.
[20:44] <stgraber> phillw: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release from #ubuntu-release's topic should answer most of that
[20:44]  * skaet nods
[21:12] <skaet> micahg,  Xubuntu desktop's finished building and should be emerging soon.
[21:13] <micahg> skaet: thanks
[21:18]  * skaet has kicked off the server rebuilds
[22:06] <skaet> phillw,  looks like we had some contention going on with the builders,  which appears to be draining now.
[22:09] <phillw> skaet: is no problem... all that is asked for is the testers be kept 'in the loop' :)


[09:46] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:23] <waltman> OK, 2 zesty bug reports filed now :)
[18:13]  * Pennth just finished the zesty upgrade
[18:21] <Pennth> Well, I can connect to the department VPN again, now to make sure the VN's DNS gets in front of the wifi's


[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks ^_^
[05:43] <pitti> Good morning
[06:06]  * micahg wonders if this patch is still necessary: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/gimp/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/03_gimp.desktop.in.in.patch
[06:09] <pitti> micahg: we don't install it by default any more; if it's our only remaining patch, I'd say dump it
[06:10] <micahg> pitti: no
[06:10] <micahg> pitti: not the only one, doesn't seem to need any work, but will keep in mind if we get the diff down further
[06:13] <didrocks> good morning
[06:13] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:13] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti. How are you?
[06:14] <pitti> didrocks: I'm quite fine, thanks! had a rather relaxing weekend
[06:14] <pitti> how about you?
[06:15] <didrocks> good :) nice week-end as well here. Not a lot of outside activity due to the weather, so more video games :)
[06:16] <pitti> didrocks: I saw your plus post
[06:16] <pitti> we had gorgeous sunny weather here, long walks, ice cream, and gardening
[06:17] <didrocks> waow, I hope I'll have the same by the end of week: the family is visiting :)
[06:33] <rickspencer3> pitti, is there a wiki  page that describes the 12.04.1 team duties?
[06:33] <rickspencer3> also, good morning ;)
[06:33] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[06:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: I don't know, I'm afraid; I haven't been involved in those discussions this time
[06:34]  * rickspencer3 sends "wake up" vibes to seb128
[06:34] <rickspencer3> hmmm, not working
[06:38] <didrocks> good morning rickspencer3 :)
[06:39] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[06:44] <smspillaz> didrocks: are we good to switch over lp:compiz?
[06:45] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, still on email catchup and finishing the (too early) morning pings, then on that with you, ok?
[06:45] <smspillaz> sure
[06:45] <RAOF> Good $TIMEOFDAY, all !
[06:46] <pitti> hey RAOF
[06:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: btw, did you notice that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html only has one package which is even NBS? i. e. we are basically at zero probs :)
[06:46] <rickspencer3> pitti, I just saw that the list had only 1 thing
[06:46] <rickspencer3> niiiiice
[08:00] <Laney> morning!
[08:00] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:00] <Laney> great thank you: nice relaxing weekend which included going climbing :-)
[08:00] <Laney> what about you?
[08:00] <pitti> oh, nice!
[08:01] <pitti> we mostly enjoyed the summer weather: long walks, some gardening, lots of ice cream :)
[08:01] <pitti> and I finished reading The Hunger Games
[08:02] <Laney> ah, some of my friends have read that one too
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> sigh @ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105649631/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox_13.0~b4%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu2%2Btest4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :(
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> timed out whilst linking
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> nice!
[08:16] <didrocks> hey Laney, chrisccoulson!
[08:19] <seb128> hey
[08:24] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ca va?
[08:24] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:24] <seb128> hey pitti, ca va bien ! how about you ? had a good w.e ?
[08:25] <seb128> how did your sister moving go ?
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: indeed I had; we enjoyed the summer weather, with long walks, gardening, and ice cream
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: and I finished reading "The Hunger Games"
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: moving> yes, that went alright, that was on Thursday
[08:26] <pitti> I returned at 0:30, was a bit tired on Friday :)
[08:26] <seb128> hehe
[08:26] <seb128> pitti, how was the book? ready to see the movie next? ;-)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: I actually missed the movie
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: I enjoyed it, but it's fairly predictable
[08:27] <pitti> it's a book for young folks, after all
[08:27] <pitti> and it's not in the same league as Harry Potter
[08:27] <pitti> server reboot, brb
[08:29] <pitti> re
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: btw, can you please subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release if you aren't already?
[08:31] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: mostly for the weekly desktop team status messages, and Kate announcing freezes and milestone coordinatino
[08:31] <seb128> pitti, I'm not, doing that, thanks for pointing it
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, lut, bon w.e?
[08:31] <didrocks> seb128: bien bien, et toi? ;)
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, nickel
[08:31] <seb128> though we didn't have summer weather like pitti here
[08:32] <seb128> rather rain, sun alternances
[08:32] <didrocks> same here
[08:32] <didrocks> consequently, staying rather inside
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: I bounced you two recent mails from -release@ FYI
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:32] <didrocks> played heavy rain to ensure to be in a positive mood ;)
[08:33] <seb128> hehe
[08:34]  * didrocks takes his scalpel to totally redo the compiz packaging as we are getting just *ONE* source instead of height \o/
[08:34] <smspillaz> \o/
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: "height"?
[08:34] <pitti> oh, "eight"?
[08:35] <didrocks> eight* yeah ;)
[08:35] <didrocks> pitti: trying to compensate all the *h* we miss with our french accent :)
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti didrocks Laney seb128!
[08:41] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:41] <pitti> bonjour chrisccoulson
[08:41] <Laney> \o
[08:41] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. although, still trying to get firefox to build in quantal ;)
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:42] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:00] <BigWhale> Where Empathy stores account data? huh
[09:01] <BigWhale> it is not in .config/Empathy
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> could somebody please bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa/+build/3506207 ? :-)
[09:02] <rickspencer3> seb128, hey, is there a wiki for the 12.04.1 team? like with goals and process,for example?
[09:04] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey, not that I know about, we have a spec though: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-12.04.1-team
[09:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, skaet has a work item "update LTS point release process pages with flow decided above:" there
[09:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, so I guess we will have it covered on the wiki once she does that
[09:05] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128
[09:05] <seb128> yw
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, sorry to bother you about SRUs but Ken uploaded an updated gtk which fixes the regression from the previous version, could you review it today?
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: done
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:15] <tkamppeter> Do we have some libusb expert around here?
[10:35] <seb128> tkamppeter, not really
[10:35] <seb128> tkamppeter, why?
[10:50] <tkamppeter> seb128, In CUPS I use a libusb-based backend to communicate with USB printers. Whwn a USB printer is plugged the usblp kernel module is loaded and to still be able to access the backend detaches the module from the printer, communicates with the printer and re-attaches the module. Many uses complain about USB printing problems in 12.04, in 11.10 I have simply blacklisted the module, but there are proprietary drivers which need the module, so I st
[10:50] <tkamppeter> opped blacklisting in 12.04.
[10:53] <tkamppeter> seb128, now I want to find out what is going wrong.
[10:58] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, not sure somebody here is better placed than you to debug...
[11:54] <jbicha> good morning
[11:56] <seb128> hey jbicha, how are you?
[12:01] <didrocks> hey jbicha
[12:03] <jbicha> hi, I merged Evolution 3.4, but after logging out and back in, gnome-settings-daemon crashes
[12:03] <jbicha> Settings schema 'org.gnome.evolution.window:/org/gnome/evolution/mail/shell/window' is not installed
[12:03] <jbicha> I guess something isn't working with http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/tree/data/evolution.convert ?
[12:04] <seb128> can you run gnome-settings-daemon --debug on a command line and put the log online?
[12:05] <jbicha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/998900/
[12:06] <seb128> oh, fun
[12:07] <seb128> yeah, seems like the .convert is buggy
[12:07] <seb128> we should disable the gconf converter in gsd though in q
[12:09] <jbicha> looking in dconf-editor, there is org.gnome.mail.shell windowmaximized, windowx, and windowy
[12:10] <seb128> jbicha, well the ":/org/gnome/evolution/mail/shell/window" seems buggy in the .convert
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> does memcheck need to override malloc() and free() ?
[12:10] <seb128> the [] sections should be gsettings schemas
[12:10] <seb128> not gsettings:gconf
[12:10] <seb128> jbicha, seems like a copy error
[12:19] <pitti> udisks2_1.97.0-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into experimental
[12:19] <pitti> seb128: ^ FYI
[12:19] <pitti> seb128: so we can sync tomorrow morning, or possibly tonight
[12:19] <seb128> pitti, danke!
[12:30] <seb128> jbicha, I think we can try dropping the "use plain tetris theme" in q
[12:31] <seb128> it used to make a difference when we did it but rendering performances improved since and hardware as well
[12:32] <jbicha> playing at level 20 is still impossible, but I guess people that know better shouldn't do that :)
[12:53] <Sweetshark> http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/ <- ubuntu one, watch out!
[12:54] <mlankhorst> That  'storage per terabyte' :D
[13:01] <seb128> pitti, SRU question, if a bug listed in the changelog is only partially fixed (i.e still better than before so it should not block the SRU), would that be a verification-done with reopening of the bug after the copy or a verification-failed?
[13:01] <seb128> pitti, i.e what's the best way to convey the "the fix is incomplete byt don't block the SRU on it"
[13:02] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, should https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-google-cloud-print-integration be targetted for this cycle? is that something you plan to work? or do we wait on it to happen upstream and then look at integrating it?
[13:09] <pitti> seb128: I think v-failed would be better, as a reminder to reopen the bug
[13:09] <pitti> seb128: which package is it?
[13:12] <tkamppeter> seb128, it was last cycle thought out to do the server part (sharing local printers to the cloud) by trelatively small changes in gnome-session-daemon and the online account settings panel, but the appropriate people did not find the time. And then shortly before UDS, I bumped all not done Precise Blueprints to Quantal.
[13:13] <seb128> pitti, ubuntu-docs for one
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, but I'm having a similar issue with shotwell as well I think
[13:15] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, well we don't use gnome-online-account and I don't think we want to add extra code to gnome-settings-daemon so that needs a bit of rethinking ... do you plan to work on that this cycle (in which case we should update the spec) or should we drop it from the q list?
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry: hey guys, how are you? had a good w.e?
[13:35] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[13:35] <mterry> seb128, yeah, it was fine, yours?
[13:36] <kenvandine> yup, and you?
[13:36] <seb128> mterry, it was good, though the weather is not that great, we get blue sky, grey rainy alternances
[13:36] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks for the GTK SRU fix!
[13:40] <kenvandine> seb128, longer term we need to get ubuntu-mono fixed
[13:40] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, see my comment on the bug where I disagree with you uploading the revert to q ;-)
[13:40] <ogra_> double it up ! make it stereo !
[13:44] <kenvandine> seb128, i agree... but i didn't even know who to bug about fixing ubuntu-mono
[13:44] <kenvandine> and charles is going to look at the indicator
[13:44] <seb128> ok
[13:44] <kenvandine> i made sure all the bugs were filed though
[13:44] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:44] <kenvandine> who should we assign the ubuntu-mono task too?
[13:45] <seb128> kenvandine, try Cimi? ;-)
[13:46] <larsu> kenvandine, my best guess would be Cimi (he should at least know who to assign it to)
[13:46] <larsu> argh, seb128 was faster!
[13:46] <tkamppeter> seb128, perhaps we should introduce the Cloud Print idea next UDS and discuss how we actually implement it.
[13:46] <kenvandine> i didn't think he did the icon theme
[13:46] <kenvandine> guess i was wrong :)
[13:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, seems like a plan
[13:46] <seb128> kenvandine, well, as larsu said, if he doesn't he's probably the best placed to know who does ;-)
[13:47] <seb128> i.e one step closer from having it assigned correctly ;-)
[13:48] <seb128> kenvandine, btw, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gwibber seems like it's mostly drafter, if that's the case can you set the definition to "review"?
[13:48] <Laney> jbicha: can you push a finalise/tag to gnome-games?
[13:48] <Laney> I fixed your FTBFS :P
[13:48] <kenvandine> sure
[13:48] <seb128> kenvandine, though now with the new "standards" you might want to add a goal description etc to it
[13:49] <kenvandine> ok, i'll do that
[13:49] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:51] <jbicha> Laney: done, thanks!
[13:54] <tkamppeter> seb128, perhaps I open a new Blueprint when the time is up.
[13:55] <seb128> tkamppeter, we can update that one and clear the whiteboard a bit for next UDS but don't worry about it for now, we have time
[13:57] <tkamppeter> seb128, yes, for Q I will do no real new features, only optimizing, improving, and debugging the workflow.
[13:57] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, thanks
[13:58] <tkamppeter> seb128, so do not worrky about printing desktop-wise, if something needs done, I will report or forward a bug.
[13:58] <seb128> ok
[13:59] <jbicha> Laney: you can drop the quadrapassel.gsettings-override while you're at it if you like
[14:00] <Laney> okey doke
[14:14] <Laney> jbicha: ok, lp:~laney/gnome-games/fix-ftbfs is waiting for you :-)
[14:19] <Laney> we should swap gnome-games out for sgt-puzzles though: much more fun :P
[14:19] <Laney> (or nethack)
[14:21] <jbicha> Laney: oh, you work for Canonical now?
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, is sgt-puzzles good? I never tried those
[14:22] <Laney> jbicha: yep
[14:22] <seb128> seems like a lot of .desktop installed ;-)
[14:22] <Laney> seb128: in a very addictive way, yes
[14:22] <Laney> I've been playing 'pearl' a fair bit lately
[14:22] <seb128> we should maybe look at adding them to the CD
[14:23] <seb128> though I don't like the .desktop flood coming with it, I would prefer a small selected set of good games I think
[14:23] <Laney> it does contain a lot of games, indeed
[14:24] <mvo> didrocks: hey, did you had a chance to look at #855166 yet?
[14:25] <didrocks> bug #855166
[14:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855166 in oneconf "software-center crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.370 was not provided by any .service files" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855166
[14:26] <didrocks> mvo: it's the same issue than usual: either the service side crashed (so need a service stacktrace) either the service didn't respond in time
[14:26] <didrocks> mvo: not sure if I shouldn't just do the call async
[14:27] <didrocks> mvo: do you get it reliably?
[14:29] <didrocks> mvo: btw, , I've been assigned 4 minutes (now 5) ago :)
[14:33] <didrocks> mvo: I have 0 new trace of service crashing on the backend side (for the first ones, it could have happen more), but not sure for the 2 bugs opened since precise is released)
[14:35] <seb128> didrocks, guessing, he came from an errors.ubuntu.com angle there
[14:36] <seb128> didrocks, is there anything you could do to improve those bugs? like having the service write in a log and have apport add the log to the bugs?
[14:37] <didrocks> seb128: hum, not sure how fan you are about a service writing to logs for anything, can be quite verbose
[14:37] <didrocks> I see one service crash
[14:37] <didrocks> 23oneconf0.2.8
[14:37] <didrocks> /usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-service:ImportError:createsynchandler:get_packageSetHandler:::_get_distro
[14:37] <didrocks> but no bug attached
[14:38] <didrocks> and I don't have granted access
[14:39] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oneconf/distributor/__init__.py", line 56, in _get_distro
[14:39] <seb128>     module =  __import__(distro_id, globals(), locals(), [], -1)
[14:39] <seb128> ImportError: No module named LinuxMint
[14:39] <seb128> wth?
[14:39] <didrocks> ahah
[14:39] <didrocks> ok, LinuxMint users then :)
[14:39] <seb128> seems so
[14:39] <seb128> yeah, they are all the same
[14:39] <didrocks> I need to protect against this so
[14:39] <didrocks> seb128: do you know why I can't access those stacktraces btw?
[14:39] <seb128> oh, some are "elementary"
[14:40] <seb128> didrocks, you can't?
[14:40] <didrocks> I'm clicking on the service name
[14:40] <seb128> didrocks, https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-query:ImportError:%3Cmodule%3E:async_update:__call__:__call__:call_blocking:_message_cb:async_update:get_packageSetHandler:%3Cmodule%3E:%3Cmodule%3E:_get_distro
[14:40] <didrocks> and get "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."
[14:40] <seb128> didrocks, does that url works for you?
[14:41] <didrocks> hum, it's fine with the url
[14:41] <didrocks> where do you click on?
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, weird
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, on the function column
[14:41] <didrocks> doing that and it's ok now, no more signing in issue :/
[14:41] <seb128> like /usr/share/onecon..
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, seems like a sso issue
[14:41] <seb128> sometimes I've to retry
[14:42] <didrocks> ok, I did it 3 times in a row, I guessed it wasn't lying after that :)
[14:42] <didrocks> ok, thanks seb128, it's easy to fix anyway
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks, so yeah, can you catch unknown distros then?
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[14:42] <didrocks> mvo: not ubuntu users ^
[14:42] <didrocks> seb128: well, distros where I have no module for
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks, the other one listed is https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-query:DBusException:%3Cmodule%3E:async_update:__call__:__call__:call_blocking
[14:42] <didrocks> I have to test what I'll send back though
[14:42] <seb128> but that's where we need extra debug infos from the service
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: well, same issue…
[14:43] <seb128> didrocks, to reply to your question I don't like log spamming a lot
[14:43] <seb128> but maybe we can go through some log spamming until we get the infos we need
[14:43] <didrocks> yeah, so not really sure what to do for that
[14:43] <seb128> like put it in proposed but not move it to updates
[14:44] <didrocks> let's fix the linuxmint and elementary ones
[14:44] <didrocks> and see if it's still on the list
[14:44] <seb128> right
[14:46] <didrocks> bouh linuxmint not even testing oneconf!
[14:46] <didrocks> so consequence, no oneconf for them :p
[14:46] <seb128> ;-)
[14:49] <mvo> didrocks: aha, ok, sorry, this was mostly because I look over errors.ubuntu.com and try to clean out our buglist a bit
[14:50] <didrocks> mvo: no worry, I'll try to best think of the strategy to fix it and telling the client "sorry sorry, you will get no result" ;)
[14:53]  * mvo hugs didrocks
[14:53]  * didrocks hugs mvo back
[14:56]  * jcastro hugs mvo
[14:56] <jcastro> errors.ubuntu.com is like, mvo-central!
[14:58] <mvo> jcastro: *cough* or actually *cry*
[14:58]  * mvo hides under a rock
[15:00] <pitti> wow, the first 30 or so are all Python
[15:00] <pitti> zenity is the first non-Python one
[15:01] <pitti> yummy UnicodeDecodeError, python3 FTW!
[15:01] <seb128> yeah, python for the loose there
[15:02] <seb128> though there are several reasons for that, including that some of those are what would be warning in C
[15:03] <seb128> i.e often people don't both trying to catch warnings in python since those are not visible in non apport world
[15:04] <seb128> the dupping works also better for python, no failed retracing there or no big dumps to send
[15:04] <pitti> warnings shouldn't cause a report, though; do they?
[15:06] <seb128> pitti, no, but often we have harmless exception that upstream didn't catch because "why bother, they are not user visible and don't create any breakage on the app from an user perspective"
[15:07] <seb128> I got into some discussions with upstreams in the past saying we should consider unhandled exceptions as bugs
[15:07] <seb128> or at least not in a systematic way
[15:07] <pitti> well, the top 30 or so there are all Ubuntu-ish programs
[15:08] <seb128> pitti, well, a good part of those for example are denied auth prompts
[15:08] <seb128> like if you click cancel on an polkit prompt you will get a PermissionDenied exception
[15:08] <seb128> which apport will catch
[15:08] <pitti> ah, that's somewhat relieving
[15:08] <seb128> but in practice that dismiss the dialog and there is no real bug
[15:11] <seb128> pitti, like https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk:DBusException:on_combobox_update_interval_changed:__call__:call_blocking
[15:11] <seb128> pitti, it's "run software-properties-gtk, click a checkbox, cancel the dialog" -> bug report
[15:11] <seb128> where in fact there was no error
[15:58] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:59] <didrocks> good night pitti!
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> wow, the PPA builders really are struggling to link a PGO build of firefox. i wonder how much RAM they have? :/
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> gaaaaaaaaaaaah, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105734465/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox_13.0~b4%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu2%2Btest5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> this is becoming impossible to debug when the PPA builds just time out :(
[16:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I see that firefox is not any better than webkit ;-)
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> yay, there's a surprise. thunderbird has the same problem: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105734839/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.thunderbird_13.0~b2%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> and this isn't built with PGO either
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> so it must be triggered by a compiler change :(
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> i guess there's an easy fix for that
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> ---> back to gcc 4.6
[17:13] <didrocks> ok, time for exercice and dinner, see you tomorrow everyone!
[17:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the builds seem to hang
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg, they're not hanging. they just take too long to link
[17:19] <micahg> hrm, yeah, sounds like a compiler bug then, as the whole build has been less than 2.5 hrs before
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> it's longer because this is a PGO build. and the long linking time isn't the primary problem that i'm trying to debug
[17:29] <Laney> rightyo
[17:29]  * Laney proposes gnome-menus merge and checks out
[17:29] <Laney> night folks
[17:30] <seb128> Laney, 'night
[17:34] <highvoltage> night Laney
[18:57] <micahg> seb128: when's a good time to chat about Firefox testing? (i.e. not now)
[18:58] <seb128> micahg, does the "i.e..." suggest you prefer another time? ;-)
[18:58] <seb128> now works for me but another time is ok as well
[19:00] <micahg> seb128: yeah, I have a meeting in 2 minutes :), if you're around afterwards we can chat (hopefully about an hour)
[19:01] <seb128> micahg, not sure yet, if I'm around sure otherwise feel free to ping me any other day during european work hours (or later if I'm still online ;-)
[19:01] <micahg> ok
[20:08] <maxb> If I run lpinfo -m and get something like this:
[20:08] <maxb> foomatic-db-compressed-ppds:0/ppd/foomatic-ppd/Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended)
[20:08] <maxb> foomatic-db-compressed-ppds:1/ppd/foomatic-ppd/Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended)
[20:08] <maxb> What is the number 0 or 1 telling me?
[22:28] <tkamppeter> RAOF, hi
[22:45] <RAOF> tkamppeter: Hi
[23:56] <JoeJulian> Would someone be able to recommend a good page to point a user to (I'm trying to help an ubuntu desktop user in #gluster, but I'm not an ubuntu user) who's installed desktop but needs to uninstall NetworkManager and configure their network using the static upstart scripts?


[18:32] <charlie-tca> everything except the live desktop appears to be working in Xubuntu today
[19:03] <scott-work_> i will be grabbing that image tonight then :)
[23:11] <ailo> Happy news. I just bought a firewire device
[23:11] <ailo> Focusrite pro 40
[23:11] <ailo> Just about to see if I can get it to work
[23:12] <holstein> ailo: d00d
[23:12] <holstein> those are SO nice
[23:12] <holstein> congrats
[23:12] <holstein> [lsd] has one
[23:12] <ailo> I've been thinking about it for a year or so
[23:13] <ailo> Just sold an amplifier and saw the price had dropped, so I had to go for it
[23:30] <ailo> Seems to work, but I get xruns using 512 f/p on Natty
[23:35] <holstein> lsd said he was getting 10ms stable
[23:35] <ailo> I may have an irq problem
[23:35] <ailo> Tried the mixer, but jack quit on me


[07:16] <mup> Bug #1884051 opened: Can't add a machine without specifying the mac address <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ya-bo-ng> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884051>
[07:22] <mup> Bug #1884051 changed: Can't add a machine without specifying the mac address <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ya-bo-ng> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884051>
[07:25] <mup> Bug #1884051 opened: Can't add a machine without specifying the mac address <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ya-bo-ng> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884051>
[07:28] <mup> Bug #1884051 changed: Can't add a machine without specifying the mac address <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ya-bo-ng> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884051>
[07:37] <mup> Bug #1884051 opened: Can't add a machine without specifying the mac address <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ya-bo-ng> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884051>
[09:58] <mup> Bug #1884051 changed: Can't add a machine without specifying the mac address <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by ya-bo-ng> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1884051>
[18:57] <MaaSUser2020> Hey Everyone, we're running into an issue where smartctl-validate causes all clients to fail, and thus powerdown.  I've told MaaS to ignore the failure but it...won't...and keeps failing


[01:17] <jcastro> rick_h_4: hey, offhand, which lp team is working on maas?
[10:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: red I believe but they're trying to get off of it and move on I think
[11:58] <dzho> good morning, all my fine nerdsibs
[12:31] <snap-l> Morning
[13:05] <rick_h_> morn
[14:16] <snap-l> Hnging out at the doctor's office with JoDee and her dad
[14:16] <brousch> Sounds like fun
[14:17] <snap-l> totally
[14:17] <snap-l> apparently the VPN doesn't work over my phone
[14:17] <rick_h_> doh
[14:18] <snap-l> Yeah, though ssh to my machine seems to be working OK
[14:21] <rick_h_> on ssh to rule them all
[14:23] <snap-l> Using X windows to run rdesktop on my home machine
[14:23] <snap-l> I swear, ifer take that away, I'll ragequit. ;)
[14:24] <snap-l> s/ifer/if they ever/
[14:25] <rick_h_> bah, no X required :P
[14:27] <snap-l> SHow me something else that can do what X does wihtout pre-thinking it, and I'll switch. :)
[14:27] <snap-l> You'll takem my ssh -X from my cold dead fingers.
[14:28] <rick_h_> http://pycon.timvideos.us/
[14:28] <snap-l> Also, this fucking flash intro at work needs to die in a fire
[14:29] <snap-l> I'm wasting bandwidth just to display our outdated mission statement
[14:29] <rick_h_> hah, well good luck with that
[14:29] <snap-l> *rolls eyes*
[14:30] <snap-l> If it didn't have this dippy animation
[14:41] <rick_h_> ummm no comment http://r.bmark.us/u/13fc0473487827
[14:46] <snap-l> Y'know... ;)
[14:46] <snap-l> Why do people call Shuttleworth Shuttlecock?
[14:47] <rick_h_> because everyone likes a little ... nope...didn't go there
[14:47] <snap-l> badminton?
[15:08] <snap-l> Seriously, there's some lady here who chose to sit right next to me and talk
[15:11] <snap-l> Thank Christ her ride showed up
[15:11] <rick_h_> lol
[15:11] <snap-l> Love explaining that I'm at work.
[15:11] <rick_h_> headphones ftw
[15:11] <snap-l> "What would you do without all that?"
 I'M TRYING TO DEBUG THIS CODE!
[16:36] <brousch> Ug. converting between metric and architectural length units is the biggest PITA on this whole project so far
[16:42] <greg-g> wait, there's "architectural units" now? not just metric and stupid, er, "english"?
[16:57] <brousch> Well it's imperial in a specific format
[16:58] <brousch> 3' 2-7/8"
[16:58] <brousch> Like that
[16:58] <brousch> The draftsmen need that format, the software needs mm
[16:58] <greg-g> don't crash your building on the surface of mars
[16:59] <rick_h_> snap-l: Blazeix remind me to bring this up to the new people at CHC if they're back next week. http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pyohio13
[17:34] <snap-l> Got my System 76 stickers.
[17:34] <rick_h_> awesome
[17:35] <snap-l> brousch: More like she was saying she had a clean bill of health, and she was waiting for her ride, and oh, that's a fancy setup you have there. People all over with their noses in their laptops and cellphones and...
[17:36] <snap-l> "Oh, you can work with that? Well we should just get you a desk and..."
 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1aczh1/perl_the_language_everybody_wants_to_declare_dead/
[17:43] <rick_h_> is how it reads more than "look I'm not dead yet"
[17:45] <snap-l> Big fan of Perl but frankly I'd rather not deal with it anymore
[17:45] <snap-l> yes, I said it
[17:45] <snap-l> Python has spoiled me
[17:46] <snap-l> And any benefit Perl 6 or 5.10+ might have is immaterial when I can do "pip install (current thought)" and keep moving
[17:47] <snap-l> What the... linuxadvocates?
[17:48] <snap-l> APparently comp.os.linux.advocacy escaped and is now wild on the web
[17:49] <snap-l> I <3 his example btw.
[17:49] <snap-l> $ perl -pi  -e “tr/[a-z]/[A-Z]/” sample.txt
[17:50] <snap-l> as opposed to "string".upper()
[17:57] <rick_h_> :)
[18:17] <brousch> My friend works at Booking.com (priceline) and he says they're hiring a dozen perl developers
[18:17] <brousch> In the netherlands
[18:19] <snap-l> That's nice
[18:19] <snap-l> sf.net uses Perl for their sysadmin
[18:20] <snap-l> I'm not saying it isn't used anymore, I'm saying I'd rather be using Python. :)
[18:20] <rick_h_> :( the sadness continues http://r.bmark.us/u/6e404a5316179d
[18:20] <snap-l> Give me a fucking break
[18:21] <snap-l> Not only has work begun to offer the community alternatives to Reader specifically (save us Digg!), work is being done on the other pieces of the RSS infrastructure, as well.
[18:21] <rick_h_> if rss dies I'm going to be very sad...and the new gopher of the internet
[18:21] <snap-l> Save us Digg? Seriously?
[18:21] <snap-l> That's like asking a lead weight to take you to the surface
[18:22] <brousch> Damn, I didn't know about that
[18:22] <snap-l> I still have it
[18:23] <snap-l> The RSS extension
[18:23] <rick_h_> yea, but try to find it in the store
[18:23] <snap-l> Yeah, lovely
[18:23] <rick_h_> it's a small thing, but sad still
[18:23] <snap-l> Hoping it's clerical error, and not a sign of things to come
[18:24] <snap-l> though frankly that extension is janky
[18:24] <brousch> Is anyone setting up an instance of newsblur?
[18:24] <brousch> I might give a go if I can find time this weekend
[18:24] <rick_h_> no, if I did anythign I'll to feedhq and start hacking on it
[18:25] <rick_h_> /to/do
[18:25] <brousch> But djangoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[18:26] <rick_h_> feedhq is django :P
[18:26] <brousch> So how is it better than newsblur?
[18:26] <rick_h_> and while not pretty the UI hasn't been hit with a 'let's just add one more stupid flashing control/button" yet
[18:26] <rick_h_> /yet/stick
[18:27] <brousch> Looks weird
[18:27] <rick_h_> man all of these are just horrid UX-wise. makes me cry
[18:27] <brousch> The font or size of the page is annoying
[18:28] <rick_h_> on which one? or both of them?
[18:28] <brousch> feedhq
[18:28] <rick_h_> yea, it needs love as well.  Just use a decent webui...if one of them could fix their UX
[18:29]  * rick_h_ won't start writing an app...will not...
[18:30] <brousch> I can see you writing phonegap apps
[18:30] <rick_h_> no no no no...it'd be http://nonsuckyrss.com
[18:30] <rick_h_> be responsive, and it's be swipe/touch friendly for mobile peeps
[18:30] <rick_h_> without so damn many buttons on them
[18:30] <brousch> heh
[18:31] <brousch> I still think it could be hacked on to bookie, maybe even just using the api
[18:31] <rick_h_> heh, trust me. I've thought about it. And if I did write something I'd end up sharing web ui components between them for sure
[18:32] <rick_h_> but it doesn't fit the bookie backend very well at all
[18:32] <brousch> Scrape feeds, add them all to my bookie with an unread tag. Pull out the unreads, read them with breadable, remove unread tag (and delete)
[18:32] <rick_h_> and here you definitely want to share feed data. with bookmarks, and logins, your page might look different than my bookmark'ed page
[18:32] <rick_h_> but not so with public rss feeds
[18:33] <rick_h_> man I wish my wife's student loans were gone. I'd almost quit and start hacking.
[18:33] <rick_h_> I did think about pulling newsblur and seeing if I could get a link in for 'save to Bookie' for feed items you awnt to bookmark
[18:34] <brousch> But if bookie is the reader, it's already bookmarked before you do anything
[18:34] <brousch> You would autobookmark every article in your feeds
[18:34] <rick_h_> yea, but now you've got a ton of crap that's not a cultured set of bookmarks
[18:35] <brousch> Right, so delete the stuff you don't want to save and add tags to the stuff you want to keep
[18:36] <brousch> Like email!
[18:36] <rick_h_> lol
[18:36] <brousch> Bookie is my new email client
[21:35] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://r.bmark.us/u/d2cb7eca19a7ea
[21:45] <brousch> Say a talk on that at GRDevDay. It looked pretty interesting
[21:47] <rick_h_26> too much magic for my tastes
[21:50] <brousch> Saves a crapload of code
[21:51] <brousch> I like that google uses it extensively
[23:15] <snap-l> JoDee's sick. Caught her watching the old Battlestar Galactica series voluntarily.
[23:15] <snap-l> Now she's watching some show called NYC Prep.
[23:17] <rick_h_26> uh oh
[23:25] <brousch> snap-l: Alzheimer's?
[23:31] <rick_h_26> dammit I'm sitting here folding laundry thinking of ways to do RSS items with detecting dupes and building intelligent prioritizing of unread content.
[23:32] <brousch> My plan is working. Get the rick_h_ wetware working on a problem and it will be solved!
[23:39] <greg-g> :)
[23:40] <greg-g> you know, instead of being all NIH, maybe chip in with NewsBlur, it does the intelligent prioritization part already... (yeah, you could build a new interface for it...)
[23:40] <greg-g> ;)
[23:45] <rick_h_26> I looked but just not a fan. I've downloaded feedhq and started looking at the source.
[23:46] <rick_h_26> but my points aren't  Nih just working thoughts out in my head ;)
[23:46] <jcastro> NIH! NIH! is the new "Send me a patch"
[23:51] <rick_h_26> jcastro this Google cloud article is cool.
[23:51] <rick_h_26> http://r.bmark.us/u/86747a3302e585 for others
[23:53] <jcastro> yep
[23:53] <rick_h_26> can't wait to test it out when it open source
[23:53] <rick_h_26> opens up that is
[23:53] <rick_h_26> stupid keyboard completion
[23:55] <jcastro> why are you _26?
[23:56] <brousch> I think we need a Google Reader replacement that you can deploy to Google App Engine in the free tier.
[23:57] <jcastro> or just write a charm?
[23:57] <jcastro> and use every free tier?
[23:57] <rick_h_26> jcastro because the tablet loses connection/reconnects sometimes
[23:57] <jcastro> what does the 26 mean?
[23:57] <brousch> jcastro: That misses the irony of it
[23:58] <rick_h_droid> it's just a random number it uses. hmm seems it didn't auth


[01:37] <rhalff> hi anyone using an audiofire here ?
[01:37] <rhalff> I'm trying to get a audiofire 2 to work
[01:37] <rhalff> I think it has the latest firmware, because It automatically updated it when I tried the device in windows
[05:21] <holstein> AH
[05:21] <holstein> hey tanders12
[05:21] <holstein> happy new year :)
[05:21] <holstein> i see you got your rig working
[05:21] <tanders12> not yet for me :)
[05:21] <tanders12> but same to you
[05:21] <tanders12> more or less
[05:21] <holstein> who knows whats up with that
[05:21] <holstein> tanders12: i filed a bug report...
[05:22]  * holstein looking...
[05:22] <tanders12> a bug for what exactly?
[05:22] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893
[05:22] <tanders12> oh
[05:22] <holstein> tanders12: maybe you could mark yourself 'affected'
[05:22] <holstein> and add the device you have
[05:22] <tanders12> sure thing
[05:23] <holstein> i should have left it more vauge now that i think about it...
[05:23] <tanders12> right now I'm trying to get ffado-mixer working with af4
[05:23] <holstein> AH
[05:23] <holstein> i dont need that either
[05:23] <holstein> the firepod just has knobs
[05:23] <tanders12> did you read all the details on how I got mine working?
[05:24] <holstein> i skimmed
[05:24] <holstein> let me look back there...
[05:24] <holstein> tanders12: OH
[05:24] <holstein> about the xruns
[05:25] <holstein> tanders12: do you know what firewire chipset you have?
[05:25] <holstein> i have several texas instrument chipsets because they work *so* well
[05:25] <holstein> you can see it running
[05:25] <holstein> lspci
[05:25] <holstein> in a terminal
[05:25] <tanders12> 08:03.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
[05:25] <holstein> AH
[05:25] <holstein> sweet :)
[05:25] <holstein> thats the goods
[05:25] <tanders12> for sure
[05:26] <holstein> tanders12: check in a terminal
[05:26] <tanders12> i just happened to have it builtin my vaio. lucked out
[05:26] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[05:26] <tanders12>  16:         89      85437   IO-APIC-fasteoi   firewire_ohci, yenta, i915
[05:26] <holstein> hmmm
[05:26] <holstein> not ideal
[05:27] <holstein> tanders12: i915 is the graphics?
[05:27] <tanders12> what's it mean?
[05:27] <tanders12> not sure...
[05:27] <holstein> well, ideally
[05:27] <holstein> firewire_ohci
[05:27] <holstein> would be alone
[05:27] <holstein> sometimes you can set that in the bios
[05:27] <tanders12> ah the bus is shared?
[05:27] <tanders12> hm that's good to know
[05:27] <holstein> BUT not usually on laptopts
[05:27] <tanders12> ill try next time i reboot
[05:28] <tanders12> what's yenta?
[05:28] <holstein> theres also some internal linux magic that you can do im told
[05:28] <holstein> tanders12: im prettly sure i915 is the intel graphics
[05:28] <holstein> but yenta
[05:28] <tanders12> keep in mind that I didn't put much effort into getting rid of the xruns yet, such as turning off compiz, shutting stuff down, etc
[05:29] <holstein> im going to have to google
[05:30] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=847971
[05:30] <holstein> i guess yenta is PCMCIA
[05:35] <tanders12> sry
[05:35] <tanders12> gnome froze. second time tonight, weird
[05:36] <tanders12> i think I might have hosed some stuff with everything I've been installing lately :)
[05:40] <holstein> yeah, i got some issues on my server box too
[05:40] <holstein> running sloooow
[05:42] <holstein> hmmm
[05:42] <holstein> maybe its the internet...
[05:44] <tanders12> maybe
[05:44] <tanders12> so basically i don't know how I got JACK working, but I think it had to do with this: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/ffado.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/60-ffado.rules
[05:45] <tanders12> I added that file to /liv/udev/rules.d
[05:45] <tanders12> it didn't work right away, but later that night it started working for some reason, on all of my kernels
[05:46] <holstein> hmmm
[05:46] <tanders12> **/lib/udev/rules.d
[05:46] <holstein> plausible
[05:46] <holstein> that would be specific to your hardware too
[05:46] <holstein> right?
[05:46] <tanders12> i did a couple other things to thougn so im not sure
[05:46] <tanders12> idk
[05:46] <ailo_> This is in essence the same thing that you did holstein, right, only this file contains instructions for specific devicew
[05:46] <tanders12> https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration
[05:46] <tanders12> hail ailo :)
[05:47] <holstein> ailo_: HEY
[05:47] <holstein> yeah, seems similar
[05:48] <ailo_> Oh, and Happy New year..
[05:50] <holstein> :)
[05:51] <tanders12> so i was tellin ailo that i want to make a fresh install and see if I can figure out exactly what made this work
[05:51] <tanders12> im curious now
[05:51] <holstein> sounds about right ;)
[05:51] <tanders12> how much space does a vanilla ubuntu install take up?
[05:51] <holstein> hmmm
[05:51] <holstein> 2gb?
[05:52] <holstein> maybe more
[05:52] <holstein> i can fit an install on a 4gb SD card
[05:52] <holstein> actually, i think i fit an ubuntustudio install on a 4gb carg
[05:52] <holstein> card*
[05:55] <tanders12> hm that's good. Should be able to make space for a testbed
[08:02] <tanders12> Ho
[08:02] <tanders12> holstein or ailo you guys around?
[08:11] <tanders12> K well when you get back I've confirmed that with a fresh updated install of Maverick with an Audiofire 4 after installing libffado2 followed by jack2 (and letting jack set up real time stuff), and adding user to audio group, it does not work. However, I then added the Debian 60-ffado.rules file to /lib/udev/rules.d, rebooted, and it works.
[11:21] <rhalff> anyone got this working with an audiofire2 ?
[17:28] <virtu> hi 4 all
[17:28] <virtu> happy new year
[17:28] <holstein> virtu: indeed :)
[17:28] <holstein> happy new year!!
[17:30] <virtu> tks holstein  =)
[17:31] <virtu> a friend of mine has a macbook for sale... with a great brazilian prive
[17:31] <virtu> price
[17:31] <virtu> but I dont know if it is a nice deal
[17:31] <holstein> i have a specific limit for what i spent on apple products
[17:32] <holstein> spend*
[17:32] <holstein> virtu: what are the specs?
[17:32] <virtu> he is selling for R$ 1.200,00 with C2D 2.0ghz, 1GB RAM 80GB HD
[17:33] <holstein> hmmm
[17:33] <holstein> whats R$ again?
[17:33] <holstein> i'll have to do transfer that
[17:33] <virtu> Brazilian Real money
[17:33]  * holstein looking
[17:33] <virtu> U$ 1,00 = R$ 1,75
[17:33] <holstein> hmmm
[17:34] <virtu> a brand new mac costs almost R$ 3.000,00
[17:34] <holstein> thats about what the new mabooks are going for here
[17:34] <holstein> virtu: thats probably a macbook pro
[17:34] <holstein> or something fancy
[17:34] <virtu> sure...
[17:34] <ailo> Those specs look a bit old, no?
[17:34] <holstein> if i were spending 3000
[17:34] <holstein> i would want 4 cores
[17:34] <holstein> or an iwhatever
[17:35] <holstein> and some memory capacity at least
[17:35] <virtu> ailo: sure... that´s my point of discussion... nice deal getting a macbook with that specs?
[17:35] <holstein> i say no
[17:35] <virtu> a sony vaio
[17:35] <virtu> core i3 500gb
[17:35] <virtu> 4gb
[17:35] <virtu> for R$ 2.199,00
[17:35] <virtu> brand new
[17:35] <holstein> a comparable non-apple machine like that would be a hundered bucks US
[17:36] <holstein> or free if your in the right place at the right time
[17:36] <virtu> for free? get one for me =D
[17:36] <holstein> sure
[17:36]  * virtu right now is on vacation at my mothers house
[17:36] <holstein> i'll COD it
[17:37] <holstein> it'll cost $400 to ship it to you ;P
[17:37] <virtu> tks holstein =) heheh
[17:37] <virtu> USPS PMI
[17:37] <holstein> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Apple%26%23174;+-+MacBook%26%23174;+/+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;2+Duo+Processor+/+13.3%22+Display+/+2GB+Memory+/+250GB+Hard+Drive+-+White/9944833.p?id=1218199185981&skuId=9944833
[17:37] <holstein> does that link work?
[17:38] <holstein> its nasty... sorry
[17:38] <holstein> thats a 1000 US
[17:38] <virtu> a FRE (flat rate envelope priority) with 5 shirts costs U$ 18,95 to ship here
[17:38] <holstein> new
[17:38] <virtu> link didnt work
[17:38] <holstein> at a box store
[17:39] <holstein> http://tinyurl.com/2wwubhj
[17:39] <holstein> thats twice the ram
[17:39] <holstein> much bigger HD
[17:39] <holstein> half the price
[17:39] <holstein> and new
[17:40] <virtu> next monday I will buy a new desktop for my mom
[17:40] <virtu> this one are too old =(
[17:40] <virtu> and maybe get a new notebook for me
[17:41] <holstein> i want to get something from http://www.system76.com/
[17:41] <holstein> i just dont need anything now
[17:46] <virtu> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-MacBook-C2D-2-4G-13-160G-2G-DVD-RW-WiFi-11n-Mint-/350425017509?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item5196f56ca5#ht_2244wt_1136
[17:46] <holstein> thats more like it
[17:46] <holstein> still
[17:46] <holstein> you can get a comparable PC for a third of that i bet
[17:47] <holstein> and at what cost?
[17:47] <holstein> so you can run OSX ?
[17:47] <holstein> not worth it to me
[17:47] <holstein> i bought snow leopard
[17:47] <holstein> and i like it OK
[17:47] <holstein> i like the price point
[17:47] <holstein> 30 bucks US
[17:47] <virtu> yes... I have to agree with you... never played with mac before and it seems to much money to spent
[17:48] <holstein> still, i wouldnt have paid 3 or 4 times the price just to use it
[17:48] <holstein> i got the macbook for free
[17:52]  * virtu running on a Celeron(R) 2.80ghz with 1.5GB RAM with a crappy motherboard =(
[17:52] <virtu> mother´s desktop
[17:53] <holstein> i dont know
[17:53] <holstein> depends on what you're doing i suppose
[17:54] <holstein> if your not keeping up with modern games
[17:54] <holstein> or doing a bunch of video editing
[17:54] <holstein> prolly just fine
[17:54] <virtu> here with this desk my mother has some trouble surfing the web with she access a website with some nice images
[17:55] <holstein> my EEEpc
[17:55] <holstein> 900mhz
[17:55] <holstein> gig of ram
[17:55] <holstein> loads pages and images from the net just fine
[17:55] <virtu> so first she needs a new simple one... and me... will save some money... that´s my opinion now... will change my note later this new year
[17:56] <holstein> i would say thats a browser, OS, or network issue
[17:56] <ailo> I'd say the celeron pc can be used for most things, just need to update your graphic card.
[17:56] <virtu> holstein: the big problem here is the onboard video card + bad motherboard performance
[17:56] <virtu> ailo: you are right...
[17:57] <virtu> the good thing is that my mom said that budget is for 450U$ to spend
[17:57] <virtu> so I will change everything
[17:57] <holstein> i have to be careful when i go downstairs and not trip on old audio cards ;)
[17:57] <virtu> motherboard + proc + video card
[17:57] <holstein> you can get them for $2 here
[17:57] <holstein> at a charity shop
[17:57] <ailo> I bought a new amd X2 for around 250$, excluding a hard drive
[17:57] <ailo> In parts
[17:58] <holstein> again, that sounds like an OS/driver issue
[17:58] <holstein> virtu: is it running windows?
[17:58] <virtu> ailo: in USA all items are very cheap then here in brazil =(
[17:58] <ailo> I'm not in US
[17:58] <virtu> holstein: yes... windows XP here
[17:58] <virtu> ailo: sorry
[17:58] <holstein> well, thats the problem
[17:59] <ailo> But, I'm sure it depends a lot on location
[17:59] <holstein> probably could re-install windows
[17:59] <holstein> check some drivers
[17:59] <holstein> i installed ubuntu on my moms laptop
[17:59] <holstein> locked it down a bit
[17:59] <holstein> works great
[17:59] <holstein> not totally bullet-proof i suppose
[17:59] <holstein> but i dont get 'those calls' anymore
[18:00] <virtu> holstein: I will do that after I get the new one... this one I will donate to a School near by
[18:00] <holstein> interesting
[18:00] <virtu> so I will install ubuntu and check all the hardware... after that will donate it
[18:00] <holstein> i got a faster PC as my production rig
[18:01] <holstein> but just because i found one
[18:01] <holstein> the one i had til about 6 months ago was slower than that
[18:01] <holstein> 2.4 with a gig of ram
[18:01] <holstein> worked great
[18:01] <holstein> i mean, do what you want
[18:02] <holstein> but, you dont *need* to upgrade that PC
[18:04] <ailo> I agree. For normal use, office/internet, all you need is a descent graphic card for web content. The cheapest new cards can do.
[18:04] <holstein> yeah, a 64mb card would do the job
[18:04] <holstein> OR some integrated GPU
[18:05] <virtu> tomorrow I will open this gabinet to see waht kind of slot is there available
[18:05] <holstein> for the sound card?
[18:05] <holstein> you'll have PCI slots
[18:05] <virtu> video card
[18:05] <holstein> that should be AGP
[18:05] <virtu> agp or pci
[18:05] <holstein> its of that vintage
[18:05] <holstein> not PCI express
[18:05] <virtu> aham
[18:05] <holstein> could be though
[18:06] <holstein> virtu: get you an ubuntu live CD
[18:06] <holstein> put it in there
[18:06] <virtu> pvi express is newer than this desk motherboard
[18:06] <holstein> and check out how it runs
[18:06] <virtu> good idea..
[18:06] <holstein> you could do a WUBI install
[18:06] <holstein> or dual boot
[18:07] <holstein> really tweak the UI for your mom
[18:07] <holstein> make it stupid easy and unbreakable
[18:07] <virtu> I already have a 64bits iso image here... but it will not load nice on this desk, right?
[18:07] <holstein> hmmm
[18:07] <holstein> i think thats a 32bit proc right?
[18:08] <virtu> yes...
[18:08] <holstein> yeah
[18:08] <holstein> you'll need the other iso
[18:08] <virtu> willl download now
[18:08] <virtu> also this keyboard sucks =P
[18:08] <ailo> holstein: do you know anything about the rtirq-init script? Never paid any attention on how it is installed, or when
[18:09] <holstein> ailo: i havent needed to mess with it
[18:09] <holstein> i saw it go down once
[18:09] <holstein> some tweaking
[18:09] <holstein> over in the OSMP channnel
[18:09] <ailo> Just read for firewire cards on the new stack you need to change the script.
[18:09] <holstein> hmmm
[18:09] <ailo> change a name somewhere
[18:09] <holstein> this would have been 10.04
[18:10] <holstein> actually, that might have been a debian user
[18:10] <holstein> ailo: i need to look at AVlinux again
[18:10] <holstein> seems like there are some tweaks there for firewire
[18:10] <holstein> that US could use
[18:10] <ailo> Ok, I think I'll need to read more about it. Don't know if the script is needed with lowlatency, or if it does any good.
[18:11] <holstein> probably just little things like that
[18:11] <holstein> ailo: we are the US firewire dev team
[18:11] <holstein> by the way ;)
[18:11] <holstein> you and I
[18:11] <ailo> holstein: ok, that's fine with me :)
[18:14]  * virtu trying to find a video card with some local friends here
[18:14] <holstein> virtu: what card do you have?
[18:15] <holstein> integrated intel?
[18:15] <virtu> let me see here
[18:15] <holstein> those are well supported in linux usually
[18:15] <virtu> SIS661FX
[18:15] <holstein> AH
[18:16] <holstein> ive had bad luck with those in linux
[18:16] <holstein> still, should be fine with XP
[18:16] <virtu> this motherboard is a crappy =/
[18:16] <virtu> all drivers are ok
[18:16] <holstein> well, XP says they are OK ;)
[18:16] <virtu> and when a new line on the chat appears it loads after a second =/
[18:17] <virtu> crappy in the meaning of performance... this desk works great at his time =)
[18:19] <holstein> http://www.sis.com/support/support_faqs_4.htm
[18:20] <ailo> virtu, I had problems with Geforce 3, so I know those are too old. On Windows you'll propably be happy with anything newer than that. Mostly I find the problem is in displaying Flash content.
[18:21] <virtu> let me try the univga3 driver from holstein site
[18:34] <virtu> didint work =/
[18:34] <holstein> virtu: no better?
[18:35] <holstein> or didnt work?
[18:35] <holstein> virtu: are you up to date?
[18:35] <holstein> service pack 3 or whatever
[18:35] <holstein> well, anyways, this is getting to be windows support...
[18:35] <virtu> didnt work... the setup from driver said that this model isnt compatible with new support =/
[18:35] <holstein> i just wanted to say
[18:35] <holstein> get a new computer if you want
[18:35] <holstein> BUT just because you want to
[18:36] <virtu> =) I will try save money
[18:36] <holstein> not because that one aint happenin'
[18:36] <virtu> tomorrow I will get a video card borrow
[18:36] <holstein> i think you're seeing some OS, driver, or network issues
[18:36] <holstein> that box really should be screamin along with XP and/or any linux
[18:37] <virtu> let me restart here
[18:37] <virtu> brb
[19:53] <holstein> hey rhalff
[19:54] <holstein> you got an audiofire?
[19:55] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list&filter0=&filter1=audiofire&op2=OR
[19:55] <holstein> rhalff: are you running 10.10?
[19:56] <holstein> if you are
[19:56] <holstein> i would suggest http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[19:56] <holstein> also, you will need to be in the audio and video groups
[19:56] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[19:56] <holstein> and/or
[19:57] <holstein> sudo adduser you video
[19:57] <holstein> ALSO
[19:57] <holstein> i used to use... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire
[19:57] <holstein> BUT recently a user came in and said that...
[19:58] <holstein> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/ffado.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/60-ffado.rules
[19:58] <holstein> was helpful
[21:04] <pgahlen> hi
[21:04] <pgahlen> I have a question anybody here?
[21:04] <holstein> pgahlen: whats up?
[21:05] <pgahlen> :D
[21:06] <pgahlen> ok ... i would like to install ubuntu-studio, but i have a problem . one week ago i tried to install ubuntu with the alternate cd and there was no desktop
[21:06] <pgahlen> is it the same with the alternate of ubuntu-studio?
[21:06] <holstein> yup
[21:06] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[21:07] <pgahlen> hm ... ok
[21:07] <holstein> pgahlen: i would get a live CD
[21:07] <holstein> and try some things
[21:07] <pgahlen> where can i find it?
[21:07] <holstein> i think when you first boot in
[21:07] <holstein> you hi t F6
[21:07] <holstein> hit*
[21:07] <holstein> and select nomodeset
[21:07] <holstein> you'll want the equivalent of 'safe graphics mode'
[21:08] <holstein> see if that helps
[21:08] <pgahlen> ok ... but i have to download the alternate?
[21:08] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[21:08] <holstein> pgahlen: just get the normal live one
[21:08] <holstein> there are lots of different kinds of iso images
[21:08] <holstein> 32bit
[21:08] <pgahlen> im running the normal
[21:08] <holstein> 64bit
[21:09] <holstein> pgahlen: you already have ubuntu installed?
[21:09] <pgahlen> yup
[21:09] <holstein> and you dont have a dekstop?
[21:09] <holstein> just a blank screen?
[21:09] <pgahlen> no i have a desktop and i'm work on it but i want to install studio
[21:10] <holstein> OK
[21:10] <holstein> pgahlen: you dont *have* to install ubuntustudio
[21:10] <holstein> ubuntustudio is just a collection of packages
[21:10] <holstein> metapackages
[21:10] <holstein> you can think of it like kubuntu
[21:10] <holstein> or xubuntu
[21:10] <holstein> they all use the ubuntu repos
[21:10] <pgahlen> ubuntu is a collection too -.-
[21:10] <pgahlen> yep
[21:11] <holstein> pgahlen: you can just install what software you want
[21:11] <holstein> you can search synaptic or apt-cache search or whatever
[21:11] <holstein> for ubuntustudio
[21:11] <holstein> and read about the metapackages
[21:11] <holstein> you can check out
[21:11] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:11] <holstein> there are several packages just for the theme-ing
[21:12] <holstein> which is great looking, but you may not want to change your current setup
[21:12] <holstein> i usually get ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:12] <holstein> BUT, if all you want is JACK and ardour
[21:12] <holstein> you can just install the individual packages you want
[21:13] <pgahlen> ^^ no i want to install the image-manipulating software
[21:13] <holstein> pgahlen: the gimp?
[21:13] <pgahlen> thats too
[21:14] <holstein> you probably just want ubuntustudio-graphics - Ubuntu Studio graphics Package
[21:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-graphics
[21:14] <holstein> OR you can just search for whatever sofware you're interested in
[21:14] <pgahlen> ^^ 416 MBs to Download wuuuuhuuuuuuu
[21:14] <holstein> and install it
[21:15] <holstein> pgahlen: right
[21:15] <holstein> its a meta-package
[21:15] <holstein> lots of stuff you might not want
[21:15] <pgahlen> i only have a 20KB/s WLAN connection ... i will search for the packages ^^
[21:16] <pgahlen> ok but thanks for your help
[21:16] <holstein> the alternate installers dont have a 'live mode'
[21:16] <holstein> that might be what you were encountering before
[21:16] <holstein> ubuntustudio uses that alternate style installer
[21:17] <pgahlen> but when it is installed there is a normal gnome desktop?
[21:18] <holstein> depends
[21:18] <holstein> ubuntustudio uses gnome
[21:18] <holstein> so in that case
[21:18] <holstein> yeah
[21:18] <holstein> BUT the server isntall for example
[21:18] <holstein> that would be an alternate installer
[21:18] <holstein> with no DE
[21:18] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntustudio-graphics
[21:18] <holstein> ^^ lists all the packages in the ubuntustudio-graphics metapackage
[21:19] <holstein> you'll probably just want the gimp and inkscape
[21:19] <holstein> maybe scribus
[21:19] <holstein> i think those are the popular ones
[21:22] <holstein> pgahlen: could be a bad downloaded image
[21:22] <holstein> hmmm....


[03:32] <DJ-CQ> anyone familiar with tor
[03:32] <DJ-CQ> or torbrowser
[10:31] <oracle> nmlk
[13:07] <studio-user881> hey
[14:03] <seann18> Hello, I am having an issue with the 64 bit ISO. Two machines, 4 different USBs same error. " (initramfs) mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid argument "
[14:05] <seann18> The MD5s match the ones on the download page (i have tried both direct dl and torrent) and various bootable USB programs.
[14:24] <holstein> seann18: interesting.. the MD5's check out.. i would format the stick, and use some other iso to test.. you can get the mini
[14:24] <holstein> !mini
[14:25] <holstein> seann18: i would just want to see that i could boot *any* usb.. i assure you, i have made bootable USB sticks of the 64bit ubuntustudio 14.04 iso.. is that what you are using? not the 14.10? correct?
[14:28] <seann18> It was the 14.04.1 ISO and yes I have been able to use other 64bit distros on the USBs and boot/install them. I will check out the Minimal ISO.
[19:42] <Ademan> So I'm sort of considering buying a MIDI keyboard, and I was curious if (without JACK) it's possible to use a software synth on ubuntu with low enough latency that I can play "through" ubuntu
[23:35] <zequence> Ademan: Depends on the software synth, and what audio server it supports.
[23:36] <zequence> Any keyboard that has generic usb support will work
[23:37] <zequence> To get low latency, you'll want the low latency kernel: linux-lowlatency
[23:37] <zequence> To get realtime privilege with jack, in order to make use of the low latency, you'll need to add yourself to audio group, and make sure to answer "yes" to realtime, when installing jack
[23:38] <zequence> That pretty much gives you a pro audio setup, like you get with Ubuntu Studio
[23:38] <zequence> To wrap that up into a command..
[23:39] <zequence> sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency qjackctl && sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[23:39] <zequence> You'll need to reboot, of course


[01:23] <duanedesign> jono: like your recent blog posts about making Ubuntu more personal
[01:26] <duanedesign> jono: I think that one on one connection is what I like so much about the Beginners Team. I am interested in how the team can do better.  If I have any ideas or any ideas come your way that you think the BT can help with let me know
[01:26] <duanedesign> thank you sir :)
[04:14] <doctormo> duanedesign: We could do a cross-group collaboration if you like.
[04:14] <doctormo> duanedesign: I've been thinking of doing a blog post on deviantArt for some of them to join the Beginners team
[04:14] <nigelb> that would rock
[04:15] <doctormo> But I don't want to do that unless there are some graphics/art type paths to folow.
[04:16] <nigelb> BT doesn't yet have something to with Art.  I've often noticed it when we talked about FG.
[04:17] <nigelb> (Well, that was at the time I quit.  Not sure about now)
[04:48] <doctormo> nigelb: Well we can always set something up, the art team doesn't have a beginner or training program
[04:48] <doctormo> The deviantArt group has plenty of candidates.
[11:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:53] <duanedesign> definetly doctormo
[12:54] <duanedesign> hello czajkowski
[12:54] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:58] <czajkowski> hows you
[13:00] <duanedesign> czajkowski: getting tired of all the snow :\
[13:00] <czajkowski> :(
[13:00] <czajkowski> I hear ya
[13:00] <czajkowski> I hate snow
[13:00] <duanedesign> yesterday morning a water pipe broke in my front yard. Made a mess
[13:01] <duanedesign> Been trying to take the time I am snowed in to get caught up on all my Ubuntu stuff
[13:03] <duanedesign> Next on my list is to start an effort to recruit people to make some development/packaging screencasts
[13:04] <duanedesign> Plan is to break this http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/index.html up into segments that can be covered in screencasts
[14:46]  * mhall119 is running the air conditioner this morning
[14:47] <mhall119> http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/currentweatherusnational/uscurrenttemperatures_large.html
[16:04] <doctormo> Morning all
[16:04] <duanedesign> morning doctormo
[17:37] <daker> hi jcastro why there is no mention of Unity-2d on unity's website ?
[20:04] <doctormo> Every time I see another article about my google docs mounting experiment I do a facepalm.
[20:04] <doctormo> I feel like I'm getting attention for doing something that I did for fun, one weekend, last year.
[20:04] <doctormo> But no attention for doing actually interesting stuff that takes a lot of work.
[20:09] <jussi> doctormo: work is boring though...
[20:10] <gpc> people don't want to do a lot of work. They do like useful stuff that doesn't take much time
[20:11] <doctormo> Aye yes, but when I see the interest it makes me want to work more on the project.
[20:12] <doctormo> Because honestly, it's got holes the size of japan were it crashes, you can't unmount it and it doesn't really have much in the way of caching.
[20:12] <AlanBell> would a unity places thingummy for google docs be full of awesome?
[20:13] <doctormo> AlanBell: Have you written an unity places thingies?
[20:14] <AlanBell> no, but I was thinking the other day that all the suggested ideas seemed rather consumerish
[20:15] <nigelb> ok, random question
[20:15] <nigelb> Anyone have alternatives to clusterssh that would run on my  normal gnome-terminal
[20:16] <nigelb> Also, gotta love @debian on twitter.  We should have something similar for ubuntu <-- jcastro
[20:16] <doctormo> nigelb: What is clusterssh and what does it do that openssh-client doesn't? what is @debian and what does it do?
[20:17] <doctormo> AlanBell: Are you running Alpha2?
[20:17] <AlanBell> doctormo: yes
[20:18] <nigelb> doctormo: clusterssh lets me type in one terminal and it will replicate it simultaneously in multiple terminals
[20:19] <doctormo> AlanBell: Could you test what happens when you install my experiment?
[20:19]  * doctormo needs to get natty alpha installed somehow
[20:20] <doctormo> It's still the nautilus mounting of the fuse system, and I don't know if fuse shows up in the unity places already.
[20:22] <nigelb> doctormo: the debian publicity team is using microblogging to great effect.
[20:22] <nigelb> They're tweeting status messages of release
[20:23] <nigelb> (actually denting which is then forwarded to their twitter account)
[20:23] <doctormo> nigelb: clusterssh sounds like it's doing the same thing as konsole used to do, except not over ssh. I used to have konsole connect automatically to a server on a number of tabs
[20:23] <doctormo> nigelb: So @debian is a tag? or a group?
[20:24] <nigelb> doctormo: neither.  its an individual account on twitter
[20:25] <doctormo> I thought we were doing that already
[20:25] <nigelb> http://twitter.com/debian


[02:00] <mwhudson> there is a bunch of ubiquity code that talks about language-support-$LL packages
[02:01] <mwhudson> when did they stop being a thing?
[02:01] <mwhudson> huh i guess https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/language-support-en/ suggests 2009!
[02:03] <sarnold> all the datestamps on the directories on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ suggests maybe 2016 instead
[02:03] <sarnold> is there a reason we don't reap the empty directories on the mirrors?
[02:04] <mwhudson> ah that's when they got deleted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-support-en/+publishinghistory
[02:04] <mwhudson> last upload was karmic though
[02:05] <mwhudson> i guess they got deleted from archive.ubuntu.com when lucid went EOL?
[02:06] <sarnold> "Deleted on 2011-05-26 by Martin Pitt" "Removed from disk on 2016-10-31"  heh
[02:09] <mwhudson> ANYWAY
[02:09] <mwhudson> long dead
[06:27] <sigv> if there is a package versioned 5.0.0-4 (directly pulled from Debian) and I want to get it SRU'd in Focal based on a bug - what should the new version number be?
[06:27] <sigv> 5.0.0-4ubuntu1 or 5.0.0-4.1 or something else is preferred?
[06:28] <sigv> Bionic is back on 4.6.1-1 so there is not reason for putting the 20.04 in the version for the SRU, I would assume.
[07:35] <Unit193> teward: Any updates on those two simple pastebinit commits? :)
[11:55] <ddstreet> mapreri teward i set 'expires' for all of us in the ubuntu-backports team, and it's self-renew once the expires date arrives, i figured neither of you would mind that
[12:15] <teward> Unit193: Its Simon's Fault?
[12:16] <teward> ddstreet: ack alls good
[14:34] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: good morning. mwhudson uploaded golang-1.17 with the risc-v shared library patches and it successfully made it into -release overnight
[14:58] <bdmurray> ginggs: Have you looked at the hwloc ppc64el autopkgtest failure closely?
[15:00] <slyon> ddstreet: what do you think about https://pad.lv/1943982 (also see attached MP to revert the change in Focal and unblock the phased updates)? I'll be working on integrating the additional relevant patches into Hirsute next.
[15:07] <ginggs> bdmurray: I have not, I only triggered the test in release to confirm it wasn't a regression caused by nvidia-settings
[15:13] <bdmurray> ginggs: ack, thanks
[17:32] <jawn-smith> Should we aim to get Go 1.17 in the impish beta?
[17:33] <jawn-smith> well, golang-defaults 1.17 that is
[17:36] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: what does "in the impish beta" mean to you?
[17:38] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: It was my understanding we were building beta images next week. So by "in the impish beta" I meant golang-defaults 1.17 in -release when those images are built
[17:38] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: but is golang-defaults in those images?
[17:39] <jawn-smith> Ah good question
[17:39] <jawn-smith> I'll check, but I think you're right that it's not
[17:41] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: you are correct, it's not in the images.
[17:41] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: out of curiousity how did you check?
[17:42] <jawn-smith> I conveniently have both a desktop and server image that I flashed to Pis yesterday and haven't touched
[17:43] <jawn-smith> I checked if it was installed on them. So not an exhaustive check. Is there a better way to check that?
[17:43] <bdmurray> you might want to check out seeded-in-ubuntu
[17:43] <jawn-smith> Ah I've used that for MIRs
[17:44] <jawn-smith> It says golang-defaults is seeded in ubuntu-mate
[17:44] <jawn-smith> or more specifically: golang-go and golang-src (which are provided by golang-defaults) are seeded in ubuntu-mate
[17:45] <bdmurray> it doesn't seem to be on the images though http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/daily-live/current/
[17:48] <jawn-smith> So I'm no longer worried about getting golang-defaults uploaded quickly, but I'm curious why it would be seeded in ubuntu-mate but not present in the images?
[17:49] <bdmurray> 'The minimal, boot, standard, desktop, and either ship or live seeds go onto our CDs and the supported packages are available from the FTP site.'
[17:49] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[17:49] <jawn-smith> cool, thanks! I'll give it a read
[17:51] <jawn-smith> ah yeah it's seeded in ubuntu-mate (supported). Very informative, thanks again!
[19:38] <jawn-smith> I've identified a couple of packages that should be removed from both Debian and Ubuntu. They are leaf packages that don't provide any binaries.
[19:39] <jawn-smith> I know the process for requesting a package removal in Ubuntu, but haven't come across this situation yet where it needs to be removed from Debian as well
[19:39] <jawn-smith> Should I just create the bug requesting removal in both the Debian BTS and LP?
[19:44] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: the removal that we'd do in Ubuntu is temporary the package would get auto imported during JJ's development
[19:45] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: it gets auto imported from Debian right?
[19:46] <bdmurray> yes at the start of the development cycle
[19:46] <jawn-smith> Since it's also a leaf package in Debian it should just be removed there as well, right?
[19:47] <bdmurray> autoimported up to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze
[19:47] <dbungert> jawn-smith: are these packages going to want control file changes?
[19:48] <bdmurray> Why are you asking for its removal? Would the same reason apply to Debian?
[19:48] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: I am asking for removal because the package is a leaf that provides no binaries, and FTBFS with Go 1.17
[19:49] <jawn-smith> Debian is not on Go 1.17 yet, so they are not seeing FTBFS issues with this package
[19:50] <bdmurray> So then it seems to me there isn't a reason to remove it from Debian
[19:50] <jawn-smith> Okay great, I'll just request the removal in Ubuntu then. Thanks bdmurray
[19:51] <jawn-smith> and dbungert: No control changes needed, the packages just FTBFS and aren't needed to build any other packages
[19:52] <dbungert> I wonder if they are meant to be someone else's build dependency.  Not a reason to keep it for impish though, especially if jj will just reimport it.
[19:57] <jawn-smith> Yes that's exactly what they are. There are quite a few go packages that just provide source code used to build other packages. Some of them no longer have reverse-dependencies though'
[20:02] <bdmurray> well you might check to see if there is already a removal request for the package in debian
[20:09] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: there are not removal requests in Debian for the packages that I'm looking at
[20:09] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: okay, if there were then we'd probably also want to add them to the sync blacklist
[20:10] <jawn-smith> That makes sense. Thanks for answering all these questions
[20:11] <bdmurray> no problem


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