[00:00] <pycurious> leftyfb: I've a lot of machines to patch
[00:02] <oerheks> ksplice is not free, so use our livepatch.
[00:07] <arraybolt3[m]> pycurious: Technically, you *can* livepatch kernels yourself, but that puts the task of maintaining your own kernel squarely into your own hands. Preparing the patches for insertion into a running system looks something like this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_live_patching You end up building your own bits of the kernel yourself, and inserting them in. Unless you know the Linux kernel like the back of your hand, I wouldn't try
[00:07] <arraybolt3[m]> it - it could end so very poorly (security and stability wise). There's a reason Canonical charges for the service if you intend to use it commercially, and it's not because it's an easy service to provide.
[00:08] <pycurious> arraybolt3: thanks
[00:09] <arraybolt3> pycurious: If you can just work in reboots into your workflow, you're golden. And if you really need livepatch, the pricing info is here: https://ubuntu.com/advantage
[00:11] <arraybolt3> pycurious: Glad to be able to help!
[00:11] <BayouBilly> arraybolt..sounds like some people are making money off many computers without wanting to pay back some of their profits to support the computers
[00:11] <BayouBilly> arraybolt...you might tell the profit seekers you get what you pay for
[00:15] <BayouBilly> the qt license says if people use their code to make money then they have to pay qt money in return
[00:15] <leftyfb> !ot | BayouBilly
[00:18] <BayouBilly> so the ubuntu pricing info for livepatch is not out of line and consistent with qt
[00:20] <oerheks> for private use, at no charge for up to 3 machines (desktop, server, virtual machines, or cloud instances)
[00:20] <BayouBilly> oerheks yes 3 machines was stated but some people are in it for money and were talking about lots of machines
[00:21] <Eickmeyer> Offtopic, please.
[00:22] <BayouBilly> eickmeyer ok i will mention the issue in #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:23] <Eickmeyer> BayouBilly: Thanks. Please note your presence here is not to be Ubuntu's police.
[00:23] <BayouBilly> pycurious join #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:24] <BayouBilly> Eickmeyer ok i am not police i spent many of the last 20 years in and out of prisons and jail cells so i don't qualify to be police
[00:26] <BayouBilly> Eickmeyer but i do try to pay attention to the license agreements of author's and distributors as it is important to the community
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> BayouBilly: But that's not the topic here, nor is any argument. Please do not discuss that here.
[00:26] <oerheks> BayouBilly, all you did is rumble about payment. please stop.
[00:27] <BayouBilly> oerheks ok i am in ubuntu-offtopic to discuss the issue with pycurious
[01:03] <hays> is there a recommendation from ubuntu for this failing service? https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/3037
[01:07] <RealKiller> hey, I am trying deadsnakes to install python3.5 in ubuntu, https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa, but can't find python3.5
[01:08] <leftyfb> !ppa | RealKiller
[01:08] <deego> RealKiller: did you apt update?
[01:09] <leftyfb> RealKiller: what version of ubuntu?
[01:09] <RealKiller> yea, I did, update
[01:09] <RealKiller> ubuntu 22.04
[01:10] <RealKiller> I get this https://pastebin.com/AbeG5xWm
[01:10] <leftyfb> RealKiller: why do you think you need python3.5 over python3.10 that is available in ubuntu 22.04?
[01:10] <leftyfb> (installed by default)
[01:10] <RealKiller> so for some legacy stuff
[01:11] <oerheks> run a vm with bionic and 4.6, do not wreck your system
[01:11] <deego> RealKiller: type aptitude search python | grep -i 3.5
[01:11] <oerheks> err finger mismatch, 3.5
[01:11] <leftyfb> RealKiller: are you sure 3.10 won't work for your needs?
[01:13] <RealKiller> https://pastebin.com/aN3LHyMa
[01:14] <oerheks> there is no 3.5 in the repos, nor that ppa for your version.
[01:14] <leftyfb> RealKiller: python3.5 was released 7 years ago. It's not available on modern OS's
[01:14] <leftyfb> RealKiller: you are probably better off updating whatever python script you have to work with modern python
[01:15] <deego> RealKiller: did you add the ppa? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:deadsnakes/ppa
[01:16] <leftyfb> deego: 3.5 isn't available for 22.04
[01:16] <leftyfb> deego: https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa please read
[01:17] <deego> ah, i was confusing 20.04 with 22.04 there :)
[01:18] <oerheks> the only valid way is to create an ancient bionic vm, which comes with python3.6 ..
[01:57] <VIA> hi all !
[01:58] <VIA> i asked before but i wiped my memory notes
[01:58] <VIA> how can i see  a log of  what my pc was up to the last days/weeks?
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> !journalctl | VIA
[02:04] <VIA> how can i dump it into a file ?
[02:07] <VIA> journalctl !man doesnt do stuffs
[02:07] <esv> journalctl --since "00:00" --no-pager 2>&1 | tee file
[02:08] <VIA> esv: where will it be saved for meto access?
[02:10] <esv> it will be dumped into a file called file on your current working directory
[02:12] <VIA> i dont know what m< "working directory" is i just open a new console
[02:12] <VIA> so should i find it in root\usr ?
[02:12] <esv> trying to learn linux ?
[02:13] <VIA> ye as you can see im not a unix master
[02:16] <VIA> if thers a way to save a backlog of anything possible id would be nice to know
[02:18] <esv> Linux in general is mostly experienced in the command line mode, this looks like a very basic introduction to it: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-linux-basics
[02:18] <esv> then: https://archive.ph/xDb8o
[02:19] <esv> now, why are you interested in the journalctl logs?
[02:19] <VIA> im overburdened by so many things im just asking for one specific thing .. and/or of thats even possible
[02:20] <VIA> thx for nothing esv
[02:20] <esv> sure, np.
[02:25] <VIA> ._.
[02:32] <jhutchins> VIA: I think the main suggestion before was atop.
[02:51] <pikapika> Just to confirm
[02:51] <pikapika> did ubuntu 20.04 change the Elementary xfce icon theme to a brown shade?
[02:51] <pikapika> I was wondering what was feeling odd about the 20 machine compared to the 18 one and then I realized its the brown icon theme
[02:51] <pikapika> I copied the 18 theme to 20 to get back the blue
[04:33] <guiverc> pikapika, why not look at the changelog; https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/e/elementary-xfce/elementary-xfce_0.15-1/changelog   though it generally only shows applying upsteam newer version changes
[04:33] <ibn-batot> hi all, plz help me, i am very newbie into linux , i needed to install SRILM  on ubuntu, i followed the instructions at https://hovinh.github.io/blog/2016-04-22-install-srilm-ubuntu/ but when i reached to this instruction "sudo make NO_TCL=1 MACHINE_TYPE=i686-m64 World" i got this error ==>>> make: /usr/share/srilm: Permission denied make: *** /usr/share/srilm: Is a directory.  Stop.
[04:41] <oerheks> ibn-batot,  very old i686 project.. https://pyzone.dev/install-srilm-on-ubuntu/
[04:41] <oerheks> maybe that url is any help
[04:43] <oerheks> and this manual gives a docker example ' docker run -it ntudsp2020autumn/srilm ' https://speech.ee.ntu.edu.tw/DSP2021Autumn/hw3/dsp_hw3.pdf
[04:44] <oerheks> i never used this, myself
[04:44] <ibn-batot> oerheks i am very newbie into linux, so handling installation error is impossible for me
[04:45] <ibn-batot> oerheks can we chat in /msg ?
[04:45] <oerheks> no, only here please
[04:46] <oerheks> i am afraid i cannot help with that build, look at docker?
[04:46] <oerheks> someone provided a working example
[04:47] <ibn-batot> docker ? i have no idea what docker is
[04:47] <ibn-batot> well
[04:48] <samy1028c> ibn-batot: what version of ubuntu are you trying to install it onto?
[04:48] <ibn-batot> samy1028c i just downloaded it yesterday from ubunto.com and i think it is 20.04.4
[04:48] <ibn-batot> i dunno how to check the version
[04:49] <ibn-batot> but i just installed it on vmware under win 10
[04:49] <samy1028c> so, the docs on their website are from 2016, or approximately Ubuntu 11/12/14(?) timeframe.  That's a bit old and lots of things may have changed.
[04:50] <samy1028c> Here's a very recent item (this year) for SRILM?  https://pyzone.dev/install-srilm-on-ubuntu/
[04:50] <samy1028c> Have no idea, never even heard of it before but just found this via a google search of:  srilm install ubuntu
[04:51] <ibn-batot> samy1028c the site u mentioned has the same steps as in https://hovinh.github.io/blog/2016-04-22-install-srilm-ubuntu/
[04:51] <ibn-batot> plz give it a look
[04:51] <ibn-batot> i just stopped at this step "sudo make NO_TCL=1 MACHINE_TYPE=i686-m64 World"
[04:52] <ibn-batot> and i am inside this folder "h@hu:/usr/share/srilm$ "
[04:55] <samy1028c> to know exactly which version you of ubuntu type:  lsb_release  -d
[04:55] <samy1028c> I would start over from scratch.  Delete /usr/share/srilm
[04:55] <ibn-batot> Description:	Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[04:55] <samy1028c> (I'm assuming you have the file in your home directory
[04:56] <samy1028c> then start the install process again by recreating the directory, and follow the steps once more
[04:56] <samy1028c> see if it does the same thing.
[04:59] <ibn-batot> well, how to completely remove directry ? i clicked right button on the srilm and i did not find delete or remove option
[05:02] <samy1028c> how did you create the directory?  Are you trying to do this via the UI or the command line?
[05:03] <ibn-batot> samy1028c i wrote rm -rf srilm from the share
[05:03] <ibn-batot> and it gave me permission error
[05:03] <samy1028c> yeah, that's the problem, it seems you were root or sudo when you created the folder initially.  Do you remember how you created the folder?
[05:03] <ibn-batot> rm: cannot remove 'srilm': Permission denied
[05:04] <samy1028c> Now, to delete it, use:  sudo rm -rf srilm
[05:04] <ibn-batot> ok
[05:05] <samy1028c> okay, I see in the instructions it does say to use sudo to do everything.
[05:05] <samy1028c> so, now that it's deleted, start over by recreating the file, copying where you need to, etc.
[05:06] <ibn-batot> should i use the root account ?
[05:07] <samy1028c> the instructions state to use sudo, so use that for now
[05:08] <ibn-batot> okay
[05:10] <ibn-batot> i will follow the older version fo srilm 1.7.1
[05:11] <samy1028c> why not 1.7.3?
[05:11] <ibn-batot> cuz it does not exist :)
[05:12] <ibn-batot> and 1.7.2 made some problem in the first trial
[05:12] <ibn-batot> so i will follow exacty what the instructions say
[05:12] <gebbione> anyone experienced this error with the nvidia repo ? https://termbin.com/ce6v
[05:13] <samy1028c> 1.7.3 does exist, I just downloaded it from http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/download.html
[05:14] <samy1028c> ibn-batot: the problem is 1.7.1 is 8 years old.  There is lots of stuff that's changed system-wise since then.  At least a few people have made 1.7.3 work on a modern Ubuntu distro.
[05:16] <ibn-batot> well the size of 1.7.3 for me is zero bytes
[05:16] <ibn-batot> on contrary to 1.7.1
[05:16] <ibn-batot> i am using IDM to get it
[05:16] <samy1028c> hmm.  yeah, didn't check, just saw it created and downloaded a file.
[05:16] <samy1028c> yup, it's 0 bytes.  odd.
[05:16] <ibn-batot> so it does not exsist as i told u
[05:17] <samy1028c> gebbione: I see others having the same issue:  https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-docker/issues/1632
[05:17] <samy1028c> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/invalid-public-key-for-cuda-apt-repository/212901/27
[05:18] <gebbione> thank you, i ll try that
[05:19] <samy1028c> ibn-batot: are you running desktop or server image of 22.04.01?
[05:19] <ibn-batot> desktop
[05:20] <ibn-batot> samy1028c i got it from https://github.com/BitSpeech/SRILM/archive/refs/tags/1.7.3.zip
[05:21] <ibn-batot> but the IDM told me the name changed to srlim 1.7.3
[05:21] <ibn-batot> i am getting it
[05:22] <gebbione> samy1028c, that key fails too
[05:22] <gebbione> gpg: WARNING: unable to fetch URI https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu2004/x86_64/3bf863cc.pub
[05:22] <gebbione> i wonder what the name of the pub key is
[05:23] <samy1028c> gebbione: no idea - I just posted links relating to the issue that others had already solved.  I don't have an Nvidia CUDA device myself.
[05:34] <samy1028c> ibn-batot: I'm spinning up a 22.04 desktop to give it a try to since I'm curious now also.
[05:37] <ibn-batot> great :D
[05:37] <ibn-batot> the download speed is very low
[05:38] <ibn-batot> i had to redownload it
[05:39] <ibn-batot> i got SRILM-1.7.3.zip
[06:01] <Mr_explorer> Any application that constantly monitor fine grain precision of cpu computation? like cores and threads usage
[06:26] <Diagon> "Desktop" not appearing in the upper left in Nautilus, with Home, Documents, Downloads, Pictures.  How can I fix that?
[06:31] <Diagon> `nautilus -c` just sits and never returns.
[06:36] <Diagon> `xdg-user-dir DESKTOP` returns the correct directory.
[06:55] <Diagon> I've had this issue since update 20.04 -> 22.04
[07:33] <ausnet22> hows it going
[07:33] <ausnet22> whos online
[07:41] <Guest80> Hello guys, I need help with some script I cannot seem to run successfully
[07:41] <Guest80> https://www.tenable.com/audits/items/CIS_Oracle_Linux_8_Workstation_L1_v1.0.1.audit:509744e6c9257f7fa546a5b45845a43d
[07:41] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[07:41] <Guest80> this script to be exact
[07:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest80: You're trying to run this on Ubuntu?
[07:42] <Guest80> rhel
[07:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest80: Ah. Sadly, we in #ubuntu don't know how to work with RHEL.
[07:43] <Guest80> alright
[07:43] <Guest80> ty tho
[07:43] <arraybolt3[m]> If you're using true RHEL, you should have support bundled with your subscription.
[07:43] <arraybolt3[m]> If you're using AlmaLinux or something, then you might see if they have any community support options.
[07:43] <Guest80> developer version
[07:44] <Guest80> it is actually scripts of hardening, similar ones exist for ubuntu
[07:45] <MaNa2k> so is there no react channel on libera.chat ?
[07:49] <arraybolt3[m]> MaNa2k: #reactjs maybe?
[07:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest80: Hey, there's a Libera.Chat channel, #rhel, where you might find people who know more about your question.
[09:06] <gebbione> after trying upgrading from 20.04 to 22 i am stuck with error https://askubuntu.com/questions/41930/kernel-panic-not-syncing-vfs-unable-to-mount-root-fs-on-unknown-block0-0 and i cannot boot another kernel because grub will not show up if i press SHIFT or ESC. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[09:08] <gebbione> i tried changing grub config from a live CD and using chroot but adding a different timeout and menu config still does not show grub menu
[09:08] <summonner> nothing specific gebbione but maybe using boot repair after booting a live cd could help?
[09:08] <gebbione> how do i try this?
[09:09] <gebbione> do i google it?
[09:11] <gebbione> i can see a page about it
[09:11] <gebbione> will it be able to repair a boot on another disk from the live usb ?
[09:13] <oxfuxxx> yes look for ubuntu boot-repair on the forum, it should fix your issue.
[09:13] <oxfuxxx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[09:36] <MonoL> Morning
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome MonoL
[09:55] <MonoL> Is a 6700XT a navi card?
[09:55] <MonoL> RT6700 XT
[09:56] <oerheks> Yes
[09:58] <gebbione> ok so i m trying boot-repair but also it gets stuck
[09:59] <gebbione> i tried to run update-initramfs but i get this error https://termbin.com/mdfr
[09:59] <gebbione> any suggestions or details i can share to see what solution is out there?
[10:01] <oerheks> reiserfs ?
[10:02] <oerheks> you won' t find much support for that.
[10:02] <oerheks> and if you use reiserfs, you should tell so?
[10:07] <Diagon> No one knows how I can get Desktop listed back in my Nautilus Panel (not bookmarks)?  `xdg-user-dir DESKTOP` returns correctly.  This has been failing since 20->22 upgrade.
[10:08] <gebbione> looks like 22 upgrade causes too many troubles
[10:08] <gebbione> my system is stuck since
[10:08] <oerheks> Diagon, remove ~/.config/nautilus and start nautilus again?
[10:08] <Diagon> I could try that ...
[10:09] <Diagon> oerkeks - wait, all i find in there is a file named "search-metadata", which is 2 lines.
[10:10] <Diagon> I don't think removing that is going to help ...
[10:12] <oerheks> basicly the 1st place to look for a reset. i have just 2 lines too.
[10:25] <MonoL> I spent all of yesterday trying to get stable diffusion working on this machine and I think it won't work now because the rocm AMD modules only support navi 21 cards and I think I've got a navi 22
[10:26] <MonoL> I'm proud of what I managed to do yesterday but to plow so much time into something and have nothing to show is gash
[10:26] <oerheks> indeed, MonoL https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6700-xt.c3695
[10:30] <MonoL> Shame but I think I'm just gonna have to wait till AMD add support for the 22
[10:30] <MonoL> Really wanted to play with that
[10:34] <MonoL> Maybe there's some online service I can find that will offer me the same unrestricted image licences in the mean time
[10:44] <Fravialis> Hi all. Is there a way to set MAILTO for cron globally? That is, not in /etc/crontab, not in /etc/cron.d/* or anything similar. I've tried /etc/default/cron: deprecated. I've tried systemctl edit cron.service: no juice. What now?
[11:03] <Payam100> Hi
[11:04] <Payam100> I am trying to use  noveau driver. but no driver is in use still when I do lspci -k
[11:14] <stewmu> Has anyone had issues using live-build to make a jammy ISO?
[11:54] <Elliria> Hey there. Is there anybody in here with experience in helping blind people to customize and work with Ubuntu?
[11:55] <stewmu> Elliria. Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop environment. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
[11:55] <stewmu> Gnome comes built in with adjustments to help disabled or impaired users.
[11:56] <oerheks> almost identical https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y.html.en
[11:57] <Elliria> There's someone in the ubuntu-users mailing list who could use some help with that and I'm hoping to find that someone in here.
[11:57] <stewmu> What kind of help?
[11:57] <Elliria> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2022-September/308357.html
[11:58] <ogra> Elliria, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility ...
[11:58] <ogra> point them there
[11:58] <ogra> hah ... you are littlegirl ? 🙂
[11:58] <Elliria> He is having an issue with Firefox not being accessible from Orca. This seems to have been fixed, but perhaps his version of Ubuntu doesn't offer the fix yet.
[11:59] <Elliria> It's a CB handle that was given to me years ago because of my size rather than my age.
[11:59] <ogra> 🙂
[11:59] <Elliria> I offered some help with that in that thread.
[12:00] <ogra> it might be a snap issue though, not sure how well things like orca work with the FF snap
[12:00] <Elliria> He also has pretty much given up on trying to use Braille TTY for the moment because the instructions he found are for Red Hat. I'm not finding myself capable of helping with that and am hoping one of you might.
[12:00] <stewmu> You don't have to use snaps with ubuntu. You can remove snapd, but the default firefox and chromium debs won't work anymore because they're just installers for the snap version. You'll have flatpak as an option.
[12:00] <Elliria> It's a Snap issue and I already gave him information and links about the Snap issue in the next message in that thread I linked above.
[12:00] <ogra> right, i see that
[12:01] <Elliria> He then also has an issue with two Orca or Oracle processes running when only one should be, but that part is unclear.
[12:01] <Elliria> And finally, he has an unspecified question about using Ubuntu under Parallels in Mac.
[12:02] <ogra> i'm not sure we do have any a11y specialists in here ... but that snapd bug you linked was supposed to be fixed in snapd 2.55
[12:02] <ogra> (in late feb, early march)
[12:02] <Elliria> Yep, and that's available in Focal and Jammy.
[12:03] <ogra> well, snapd is a snap ... the deb version does not matter
[12:03] <Elliria> I'm not a specialist either, but am hoping to get any of you who would be willing to join in and offer some help.
[12:03] <ogra> (it is only to put some rules in place but not actually used at runtime)
[12:04] <ogra> Elliria, well, his chances on the ubuntu-accessibility list are probably better ... there are other blind people on it that might be able to help better
[12:04] <Elliria> Ah, very cool. I'll check into that. Thank you!
[12:32] <alkisg> Heya ogra, when do-release-upgrade hangs at "Waiting for automatic snapd restart" for the firefox snap upgrade, is there any way to gently restart it without killing the process and failing the upgrade?
[12:33] <ogra> alkisg, no idea, snapd and snap packages are completely separate and one has nothing to do with the other usually ... i doubt the snapd restart is in any way firefox related at all
[12:34] <alkisg> The main issue could be some race condition that involves bad internet connections; but a workaround would be nice to have
[12:34] <ogra> anything in your logs ?
[12:35] <alkisg> Uploading the ps tree for starters; but the connection is in the range of kbps, moment...
[12:35] <alkisg> https://termbin.com/7tih
[12:35] <alkisg> That's after `apt full-upgrade; reboot; update-manager gui update`, so it's in a clean state
[12:36] <oerheks> sudo killall firefox && sudo snap refresh
[12:37] <alkisg> oerheks: firefox isn't running
[12:37] <ogra> alkisg, looking at /var/lib/dpkg/inf👋firefox.preinst there should be a lot info printed somewhere (dpkg.log ? apt log ?)
[12:38] <ogra> tsk ... silly emoji plugin
[12:38] <alkisg> Heh. The connection is so bad that I wonder if it's still downloading firefox, after 2 hours...
[12:39] <alkisg> Or the opposite, if that issue also slows down the connection...
[12:39] <ogra> it should whine about bad conectivity according to the code i see in preinst
[12:40] <ogra> are you running with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ?
[12:40] <alkisg> Nothing in syslog, trying the other files...
[12:40] <alkisg> Whatever update-manager uses, I started it from the menu
[12:41] <ogra> that should be fine (not noninteractive)
[12:41] <alkisg> 2022-09-06 12:43:58 status unpacked firefox:amd64 104.0+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:41] <alkisg> 2022-09-06 12:43:58 status half-installed firefox:amd64 104.0+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:41] <alkisg> That's from dpkg.log, and it's 3 hours ago
[12:42] <ogra> yeah, thast just standard dpkg stuff
[12:42] <ogra> i wonder where all the echos go from the preinst ...
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:44] <ogra> alkisg, that is from your old install, pre-upgrade it seems 1:1snap1-0ubuntu2 is the deb version in jammy
[12:45] <ogra> and FF has a pre-depends snapd ...
[12:45] <ogra> so the deb install would not start unless snapd is readily available
[12:45] <ogra> this is why these echos do not show up
[12:46] <alkisg> Maybe the race condition is when snapd gets installed as a deb in preinst, but didn't have enough time yet to get started as a daemon?
[12:46] <alkisg> *in pre-depends
[12:47] <ogra> nah, you want the deb ... but the deb should then install the snapd snap
[12:47] <ogra> and your ps output shows the snapd snap in use
[12:48] <ogra> (last line in pstree)
[12:48] <alkisg> And it does, but it hangs at that exact point
[12:48] <ogra> does "snap list" return properly ?
[12:49] <ogra> (should give a list of installed snaps=
[12:49] <ogra> )
[12:50] <alkisg> I tried `snap refresh` that oerheks suggested; it said: error change finished in status "Hold" with no error message
[12:50] <alkisg> Two minutes later, the hang is no more. The Internet is again fast, and the installation continues normally
[12:51] <oerheks> nice
[12:51] <oerheks> have fun!
[12:51] <ogra> "snap changes" and "snap change <ID>"  should be able to give some more detail
[12:51] <alkisg> Thanks oerheks :)
[12:52] <alkisg> A quick wget now says 252KB/s; nope, even with such a low speed, it shouldn't need 3 hours to download firefox.snap...
[12:52] <ogra> (this is snapd's way of logging)
[12:52] <alkisg> Testing the snap commands...
[12:53] <alkisg> https://termbin.com/eshi , the last line says "refreshing all snaps, no change" (although I used LANG=C...)
[12:54] <alkisg> So it took 2 hours to initialize snap, and 1 hour to install firefox...
[12:55] <alkisg> (the funny thing is that after the installation finishes, we're just installing the firefox.deb from the ppa and uninstalling snap, so it's all in vain... :/)
[12:56] <alkisg> OK let's see what happens with the next schools, if `snap refresh` works around the issue
[12:56] <alkisg> Thank you both :)
[12:58] <ogra> alkisg, well, "snap change 4" ... should have a lot ore info
[12:59] <ogra> *more
[12:59] <ogra> (and you want LC_ALL=C ... not LANG= )
[13:00] <alkisg> ogra: Status  Spawn  Ready  Summary, just the headers line, nothing more
[13:01] <ogra> wow, thats a bug i guess ... it should tell you why it is on hold and stuff
[13:01] <alkisg> Maybe the upgrader put snap updates on hold?
[13:01] <ogra> nah
[13:01] <gebbione> hi folks, anyone can suggest what to try or add to this post to fix an upgrade? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2478833&p=14111208#post14111208
[13:02] <ogra> could be a connectivity issue though ... "snap debug connectivity" ... might tell
[13:03] <alkisg> ogra: LC_ALL=C LANGUAGE=C LANG=C snap changes stills hows Greek. Checking the connectivity...
[13:03] <alkisg> * PASS
[13:03] <ogra> heh
[13:04] <ogra> yeah, thats fine then ...
[13:04] <ogra> still wird why it puts the task on hold ...
[13:04] <ogra> *weird
[13:24] <hays> I have to turn off DyanamicUser for fwupd-refresh.service to get it not to error out and crash. Is this a security problem? And how can I check if Ubuntu has an actual bug on this?
[13:24] <hays> whoever wrote that unit file it is really locked down
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> hays: can you see the full output in your journal logs of what happens with fwupd?
[13:38] <ogra> hays, "ubuntu-bug fwupd" ... it will check on launchpad if similar bugs already exist and point you to them ... if there isnt one, it will let you open a new one
[13:44] <hays> lotuspsychje: there is surprisingly little in the logs... people debugging it online have had to insert straces into the unit to get anything.
[13:44] <hays> ubuntu-bug fwupd
[13:46] <hays> !ubuntu-bug fwupd
[13:52] <hays> well i found this
[13:52] <hays> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1969976
[14:02] <hays> how do I search jammy-proposed?  apt-cache search fwupd/jammy-proposed doesn't do it
[14:11] <KNERD> hays: apt search jammy?
[14:18] <exicutor> hello there
[14:27] <Payam__> Hi,
[14:28] <dobbicorp> hi
[14:28] <Payam__> I am trying to use nouveau driver. but from the output I see that it is loaded with nvidiafb and no driver is in use.  https://pastebin.com/43Aszmtv
[14:28] <Payam__> so I can not connect to external screens and it is really annoying.
[14:38] <verwalter> hello
[14:40] <ioria> gebbione, sounds a bad issue
[14:41] <enigma9o7[m]> hays, if you have it listed in your sources, then `apt search` should find it.
[14:41] <enigma9o7[m]> if you ever see one of those "there are additional versions" thing, thats probably why
[14:42] <hays> enigma9o7[m]: thanks. found it
[14:53] <cnnx> I'm shopping for a wireless network adapter, I want to make sure its going to be compatible a long time with the future versions of the linux kernel and LUBUNTU.. htere's the specs:  Windows 11 Plug-n-Play, Windows 7/8/8.1/10/11, Mac OS 10.7~10.15, Linux 2.6.24~5.11 (Fedora & Ubuntu)Windows 11 Plug-n-Play, Windows 7/8/8.1/10/11, Mac OS 10.7~10.15,
[14:53] <cnnx> Linux 2.6.24~5.11 (Fedora & Ubuntu)
[14:53] <cnnx> it says until 5.11
[14:53] <cnnx> what happens after?
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> cnnx: whats the brand/chipset?
[14:55] <cnnx> Brand	EDiMAX chipset not mentionned in amazon decription
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> cnnx: that sounds like realtek based
[14:56] <cnnx> which is no longer supportede natively
[14:57] <cnnx> need to mod it in
[14:57] <cnnx> right
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> cnnx: i would avoid realtek chipsets when possible, but thats only 1 opinion
[14:58] <cnnx> whats the better chipsets
[14:58] <cnnx> for lubuntu
[14:58] <cnnx> i know they use up alot fo energy
[14:59] <cnnx> its for a robogt application
[14:59] <cnnx> *robot
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> cnnx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[15:01] <cnnx> lotus|NUC quite a bit of selection there, thanks
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> cnnx: intel wifi chipsets are pretty solid on ubuntu too, but we cant much generalize statements
[15:10] <imbezol> Hey all. I am having trouble with the Firefox snap due to what seems like policy decisions around updates. There's a popup that is extremely persistent notifying that an update is available. This seems to pop up once an hour, which when you work on your system full time becomes extremely aggravating. It reminds you that you have 13 days left to update.
[15:11] <imbezol> Having 100+ tabs open and working in them it's frustrating to have to close firefox on snap maintainer's schedule to update. But even if I do... there's likely a new update the next day or later that day.. and it comes back again.
[15:11] <imbezol> What can be done to disable this behaviour?
[15:11] <imbezol> I tried removing the snap and going to a flatpak but it has issues with video stutter so it's not really a workable option.
[15:12] <mybalzitch> do your best to ignore it, or find another browser.
[15:12] <imbezol> This has been going on for over a month and it's at the point where I'm wondering if I need to install from binaries and not have any easy update path at all. Or even switch distros to get away from the snap.
[15:12] <imbezol> Thoughts?
[15:12] <mybalzitch> I got exceptionally annoyed when it kept prompting me for an update, when there was no update
[15:12] <imbezol> How can you ignore a popup that's on your system __all__ the time?
[15:13] <murmel> imbezol, to disable the auto update, you can download the snap manually (snap download) and then snap install or figure out hw accel on flatpak (or go the ppa way) (or tar.gz from mozilla)
[15:13] <imbezol> I have a hard time comprehending the decision to make it behave like this.
[15:16] <imbezol> murmel: ok, i've removed it, and done a download and install. i hope you're right that this will disable auto updates.
[15:16] <imbezol> to update it i'd have to manually download and install again?
[15:16] <murmel> imbezol, it thinks it's a locally installed snap, so it doesn't connect it to the store version
[15:16] <murmel> yes
[15:16] <imbezol> i see it doesn't show anything in the Tracking column for it now
[15:16] <imbezol> thank you
[15:28] <rajkosto> on 18.04LTS minimal image: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:28] <rajkosto>  systemd : Depends: libsystemd0 (= 237-3ubuntu10.53) but 237-3ubuntu10.54 is to be installed
[15:28] <rajkosto>            Recommends: libpam-systemd but it is not going to be installed
[15:28] <rajkosto>            Recommends: networkd-dispatcher but it is not going to be installed
[15:28] <rajkosto> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[15:28] <rajkosto> Error: error building at STEP "RUN apt update && apt -y install tzdata systemd wget curl git gawk rsync nano sudo cron logrotate software-properties-common"
[15:29] <murmel> rajkosto, what are you trying to do? (it helps if you give us all the lines (incl command) and use a pastebin service)
[15:29] <murmel> !paste
[15:30] <rajkosto> https://dpaste.com/6GH2XWVNB the command is in the last line, running on minimal ubuntu 18.04LTS image, this has worked for 4 years now, broke recently
[15:31] <ravage> what image are you talking about exactly?
[15:32] <ioria> rajkosto, you have probably -proposed repo enabled
[15:32] <ioria> rajkosto, checkyou /etc/apt7sources.list
[15:33] <rajkosto> FROM docker.io/ubuntu:bionic
[15:33] <murmel> make sure to apt update, as I think they are pushing 54 right now
[15:33] <rajkosto> apt-get update is in a previous line
[15:34] <murmel> ah k
[15:34] <rajkosto> is it just mismatched online atm
[15:34] <murmel> overlooked it :(
[15:34] <ravage> dont have docker installed. the official minimal lxc image works just fine
[15:35] <rajkosto> https://pastebin.com/qY2PY9CN here's the lines of the Dockerfile until they fail
[15:35] <ioria> rajkosto, 18.04 has 53 not 54 ; paste your sources.listand we can have a look
[15:36] <rajkosto> how ? its a dockerfile
[15:36] <murmel> ioria, the servers have already 54
[15:38] <ioria> !info libsystemd0 bionic
[15:38] <ioria> i still see -53
[15:38] <enigma9o7[m]> check apt policy on that libsystemd0
[15:39] <ravage> ioria, https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/pull/13090
[15:40] <ioria> rajkosto, apt-cache policy libsystemd0
[15:41] <murmel> ravage, nice find
[15:42] <rajkosto> ok so i just wait for them to fix then
[15:42] <ravage> you could force an older version of the image
[15:42] <ravage> or wait
[16:42] <Arsimael> Does anyone know how to fix the "has premature member 'control.tar.xz' before 'control.tar.gz', giving up" Error?
[16:42] <murmel> Arsimael, doing what?
[16:43] <ogra> you really have to give some context ...
[16:43] <Arsimael> installing updates
[16:43] <ogra> what command did you run, what did you expect to happen, what happened actually ...
[16:43] <Arsimael> apt update && apt upgrade
[16:43] <ogra> use a pastebin for the full output log and paste it here
[16:44] <Arsimael> one sec
[16:44] <ogra> "it" -> the url
[16:47] <Arsimael> https://paste.rs/9Fe
[16:48] <ravage> Try "sudo apt clean" and run the upgrade again
[16:49] <Arsimael> same output
[16:49] <Arsimael> I also tried to manually download the package and install it - same issue
[16:53] <ravage> Any special archive mirror configuration?
[16:53] <ravage> What is your sources list?
[16:54] <Arsimael> the ones from the company I work for, but I already deactivated them and use the official ones
[16:54] <Arsimael> ok. new error. I manually installed dpkg 1.17 --> 1.18 -->1.19
[16:57] <ogra> err
[16:57] <ogra> what release is that ? (why did you have something like dpkg 1.17 there, this is ancient)
[16:57] <Arsimael> https://paste.rs/MJj
[16:58] <ogra> grep VERSION= /etc/os-release
[16:58] <ogra> what does that return
[16:59] <Arsimael> 20.04 LTS
[17:00] <ogra> and how did you get 1.21 ? that is only in later releases
[17:00] <ogra> and defaults to xz
[17:00] <ogra> which is not supported in older versions of ubuntu
[17:00] <Arsimael> I want to do a release upgrade to 22.04, and it tells me to install "All available updates" before i continue.
[17:00] <ogra> well, this looks like your sources.list does not point to focal at all ...
[17:01] <ogra> focal (20.04) has dpkg 1.19
[17:01] <ogra> even the latest update of focal has that version
[17:02] <ogra> so how did you get the 22.04 version (1.21) ? that will break the whole install since replacing yur package manager with one that has features your distro does not understand can not work
[17:03] <Arsimael> Started a release upgrade, it failed giving me the error I mentioned before and dropped me to a shell. Now I have to fix this manually
[17:07] <Arsimael> ok... have o do a reboot. eigher it kills the machine and I have to restore it or it works
[17:07] <ogra> well, you should inspect it first ... would b good to know what you did to the system up to now
[17:12] <gebbione> i m trying to fix an installation, whilst running a command suggested by boo-repair i get these errors https://termbin.com/h6qu
[17:12] <gebbione> googling the separate errors does not take me to a clear answer, any idea what to do?
[17:23] <ioria> gebbione, i don't think the problem is grub (somaybe boot-repair is not the right tool), i think the problem is some broken packages , like the kernel itself, nvidia and usrmerge
[17:24] <gebbione> indeed
[17:24] <gebbione> i m trying to still understand how to fix it with chroot
[17:24] <gebbione> but i have not idea what to do
[17:24] <ioria> gebbione, so, if you cannot use Recovery, i suggest to use a livecd, chroot and purge those ; a gauy seems to have had a similar issue : https://linuxsheet.com/answers/1425541u/
[17:25] <ioria> gebbione, if apt-get purge fails, you can stilluse   sudo dpkg --purge
[17:28] <ioria> gebbione, e.g. :  mv the the config file to /tmp    : mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/thosepkgfile * /tmp  and sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq  package
[17:30] <gebbione> i have run dpkg --purge and removed the nvidia packages that are failing
[17:30] <gebbione> looks like update-initramfs finished fine now
[17:30] <gebbione> before i exit the live cd
[17:30] <ioria> ok, goon with the kernels and usrmerge
[17:30] <gebbione> well cd/install
[17:31] <gebbione> what do i do next to make sure i can boot without it
[17:31] <gebbione> i will re-install the nvidia drivers later
[17:31] <Arsimael> woohoo! It's dead
[17:31] <ioria> gebbione, after removing the broken packages, you need to reinstall the kernel with  sudo aptinstall --reinstall linux-generic
[17:33] <gebbione> ok apt install --reinstall linux-generic worked -> <IP_ADDRESS>.47
[17:33] <gebbione> anything else?
[17:33] <gebbione> i m bit nervous cause it has been stuck all day
[17:34] <ioria> gebbione, run reconfigure again
[17:34] <gebbione> dpkg -configure -a ?
[17:34] <ioria> imean sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:34] <ioria> yes
[17:35] <gebbione> it didn't do much but didn't fail
[17:35] <ioria> gebbione, apt -f install
[17:36] <gebbione> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded
[17:36] <gebbione> it is asking me to purge a lot of them but i know i need some of them
[17:36] <gebbione> if not the new versions of them
[17:36] <ioria> gebbione, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:37] <gebbione> should i run this from chroot or should i reboot and do it from its own session
[17:37] <ioria> from chroot
[17:37] <murmel> be careful with full-upgrade as it also removes stuff
[17:38] <leftyfb> murmel: only if you add --autoremove
[17:40] <murmel> leftyfb, huh, whats the difference then to upgrade?
[17:41] <gebbione> fails for other reasons now
[17:41] <gebbione> https://termbin.com/oioc
[17:42] <ioria> gebbione, i don't see the final errors
[17:43] <gebbione> there is nothing else after the removing linux-modules-5....
[17:43] <gebbione> but there was an error with the libreadline.so.8
[17:43] <gebbione> it is in the middle of the execution
[17:44] <ioria> yes, i see that
[17:44] <gebbione> isn't that affecting the upgrade?
[17:44] <ioria> cause 222.04 does not have it
[17:44] <ioria> sy, brain fart
[17:45] <ioria> sudo apt install --reinstall libreadline8 gebbione
[17:45] <d4rk1> hello
[17:47] <gebbione> ok it seems to finish fine and without errors
[17:47] <ioria> gebbione, sy, away from keyboard ; i'll be back in 20 minutes
[18:09] <ioria> gebbione, ok
[19:14] <muhsincullu> hello
[19:18] <luna__> hey
[20:53] <phonixgeist> hey guys ! quick question
[20:53] <ifiokekott> shoot
[20:53] <phonixgeist>  I'm trying to translate two rules from iptables syntax to UFW...these are the rules...
[20:53] <phonixgeist> (1) iptables -A firewall -p udp –dest <IP_ADDRESS>/16 -j ACCEPT   (2)iptables -A firewall -p igmp –dest <IP_ADDRESS>/16 -j ACCEPT
[20:54] <enigma9o7[m]> you call that a quick question?
[20:54] <phonixgeist> enigma9o7[m], lol
[20:54] <ifiokekott> sounds like a job interview
[20:54] <phonixgeist> for you all experts... yes! lol
[20:54] <phonixgeist> I tried adding the iptables rules directly to /etc/ufw/after.rules , but i didnt worked...
[20:55] <phonixgeist> any ideas?
[20:56] <phonixgeist> is to make work an IPTV (broadcast) but without turning off the firewall... with out firewall the streaming is good...
[20:56] <tomreyn> i think ufw is just meant to be used as a host firewall, not a network firewall
[20:57] <tomreyn> i've seen so many problems with it, i would not recommend using it for any other purpose
[20:57] <tomreyn> specifying a CIDR as a destination makes it look like you're trying to use it as a network firewall
[20:58] <phonixgeist> tomreyn, ok (i did thought something like that...) so... what would you recommend.. get rid of UFW and just work with iptables?
[20:58] <tomreyn> nftables, yes
[20:59] <phonixgeist> ok... conclusion i forget about UFW and learn to use nftables...
[21:00] <sarnold> phonixgeist: rather than editing a ufw file by hand, maybe use the ufw command interactively? something along the lines of ufw allow proto udp to <IP_ADDRESS>/16   and ufw allow igmp to <IP_ADDRESS>/16   -- and see if that spits back errors or something
[21:01] <phonixgeist> sarnold, yes I tried in a lot of different ways... but none of them worked... as soon as i set the rules the streaming goes down...
[21:02] <phonixgeist> sarnold, i turn off ufw and streamming is up...
[21:05] <sarnold> phonixgeist: aha :(
[21:08] <iffraff> Hi, I'm using 22.04.  I running virtual box with a windows vm.  The windows vm is windows 7.  All of a sudden after working fine for several weeks, chrome starts crashing as soon as it starts up.  So I install edge.  Edge behaves the exact same way!  So I think, oh well, may windows 7 finally stb, and I start up a vm of windows 11.  I down load chrome and Edge and Chrome are crashing there too!
[21:09] <iffraff> So I'm thinking something must have changed on my host ( ubuntu 22.04 ) or maybe virtual tools but I didn't change anything on there. Any thoughts/help would be greatly appreciated.
[21:10] <enigma9o7[m]> What do you have to do to make it crash?  Just open it?
[21:10] <iffraff> yes. just open it. it'll load the landing page, sometimes then it blinks out of existance.
[21:10] <enigma9o7[m]> Did you just upgrade virtualbox?  There was an update couple days ago.  Maybe you need to update your guest extensions.
[21:10] <enigma9o7[m]> Maybe there's some weird gpu driver mismatch
[21:11] <tomreyn> i think someone else reported the other day that there were such problems with ubuntu's (community maintained) virtualbox packages. have you tried virtualbox.org's?
[21:12] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm actuallly, I'm using a PPA myself, not official ubuntu version....
[21:12] <toddc> iffraff: check load I.E ram cpu video ram ect the same thing that would crash any system
[21:12] <sarnold> iffraff: there were some open-vm-tools security updates recently, did you install new versions of these things into your guests? I wonder if rolling those back, or reverting to an older snapshot, would work
[21:14] <iffraff> so I have the sys monitor up and nothing is maxing out.  Visual Studio is crash too but not nearly as frequently.  I havn't installed anything new for virtualbox. I don't think I even installed the guest extensions.
[21:15] <iffraff> I installed via the ubuntu gui, I should have used apt but the gui doesn't say anything about an update.
[21:16] <toddc> iffraff: edit check the virtual box specs for your guest win 7 VM as it works for me with latest version of virtualbox on ubuntu with win 10 and 11 guests -latest 6.1.38 plus extentions
[21:17] <iffraff> so I didn't have guest installed. I;m in 11 right now and I just installed it.  I think. I'll see if that works
[21:17] <takeshii> netzwerk tools heise
[21:17] <takeshii> sorry
[21:23] <iffraff> uggg so I installed guest additions on win 11 and it chrome crashed then the whole damn vm restarted
[21:24] <iffraff> Same with windows 7
[21:24] <iffraff> I wonder if theres some vm setting that got messed up.
[21:30] <iffraff> toddc: I was using NAT for network, then changed it to bridged.  didn't make any difference
[21:31] <hays> anyone have any recommendations for a quick and dirty system monitoring tool like netdada?  netdata is kinda annoying because there's all sorts of visual spam about netdata cloud
[21:33] <cbreak> I don't know netdada, but I like munin
[21:33] <cbreak> it's quite extensible, and fairly simplistic
[21:35] <hays> i installed prometheus thinking it would have some kind of default config and its totally empty. lol. my bad
[21:37] <Diagon> "Desktop" not appearing in the Panel (not bookmarks) in Nautilus.  How can I fix that?  `xdg-user-dir DESKTOP` returns the correct directory.
[21:37] <Diagon>  I've had this issue since update 20.04 -> 22.04
[21:42] <hays> cbreak: yeah munin is alright
[21:42] <hays> netdata is just a bit more modern looking. just my god i dont want "cloud"
[21:44] <cluelessperson_> is there a way to stop snap from absolutely flooding the logs for an application?
[21:45] <iffraff> toddc: Someone mentioned that I might try uninstalling. I have the 6.1.34 ubuntu version, They said I should try the oracle version as it's 6.1.38
[21:45] <ogra> Diagon, GNOME developers removed it (like they removed the ability to put icons on the desktop ... for the latter ubuntu developers developed a GNOME extension, but nautilus was not patched)
[21:46] <ogra> Diagon, https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/qolg4m/why_did_my_desktop_directory_disappear_from_the/
[21:47] <Diagon> Removed it??  (I'll have a look ...)
[21:47] <ogra> yes, desktops are not a thing in gnome anymore ... it is a desktopless desktop environment 😉
[21:48] <Diagon> Wait ...  I am able to add things to my Desktop folder, which has a special icon, as with Documents and Downloads.  Those files also appear on my home screen.
[21:49] <ogra> yes, did you read what i wrote above ?
[21:49] <ogra> the ubuntu desktop team wrote a gnome extension that enables adding icons to the desktop again ...
[21:50] <ogra> adefault gnome desktop can not have icons n the desktop ...
[21:51] <Diagon> Ah, thanks for clarifying ...  I'm reading that reddit thread ...  :/
[21:52] <ogra> carrying a patch against nautilus (which has moving code you do not control) is way more work than simply writing an extension that you have full control over ... i guess this is why they did not patch nautilus to have the desktop item back
[21:53] <ifiokekott> hello ogra are you a Nigerian?
[21:54] <ogra> ifiokekott, nope, do you have an ubuntu support question ?
[21:55] <Diagon> Ok, that's infuriating ...  Never used KDE, but someone in that reddit thread is talking about shifting to it.  Are there other major options I should consider?
[21:56] <ifiokekott> @ogra nope
[21:57] <ogra> Diagon, https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[21:59] <Diagon> Ok, here's another quesiton.  When I search on a file in nautilus, it used to just give me the list of filenames with that searched string.    It's useless.
[22:02] <ravage> Diagon, use the down arrow beside the search field
[22:02] <jhutchins> Does nautilus have any documentation?
[22:03] <Diagon> ravage / many thanks ...
[22:15] <takeshii> Under a willow
[22:15] <takeshii> sorry, wrong channel :)
[22:52] <mybalzitch> https://imgur.com/a/QB6aAKd firefox after the system crashed and I had to reboot. chrome and my video player work fine. Any thoughts? I reverted the snap, that didn't fix it
[22:58] <AJ_Z0> Funny how the home and blog pages load, but https://ubuntu.com/blog/fips-certified-vs-compliant-whats-safe is 500.
[23:01] <ravage> AJ_Z0, https://ubuntu.com/blog/this-article-is-just-invalid
[23:01] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-kubernetes-1-25-is-now-generally-available <-- valid article link
[23:02] <leftyfb> AJ_Z0: https://ubuntu.com/blog/fips-certified-vs-compliant-whats-safer
[23:02] <ravage> right
[23:02] <leftyfb> AJ_Z0: you didn't copy the entire link
[23:03] <ravage> should maybe not produce a 500 but redirect to the main page
[23:03] <ravage> could be worth a github issue
[23:03] <leftyfb> ravage: redirect based on what?
[23:04] <ravage> on "article does not exist" ?
[23:04] <leftyfb> ah, sorry, missed the part of redirecting to the main page (regardless of invalid link)
[23:08] <ravage> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu.com/issues/12008 lets see what happens :)
[23:18] <Square> What an awesome nick. "keypusher"
[23:36] <sarnold> Square: it reminds me a bit of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squarepusher  :)


[02:40] <dmcglone> 2 more days till release everybody excited?
[02:41] <Cheri703> eh
[02:42] <canthus13> Why would they release something that won't install?
[02:45] <dmcglone> having problems canthus13?
[02:47] <canthus13> dmcglone: Sure. it takes several hours before crashing when I try to install. And I don't appear to be the only person.
[02:47] <canthus13> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/601299
[02:47] <dmcglone> is it a beta release
[02:49] <canthus13> True. But it's not fixed yet, and only 2 days 'til release?
[02:49] <Unit193> 3 Days
[02:50] <dmcglone> I bet they are scrambling to fix this one
[02:51] <canthus13> I'd hope so.
[02:51] <canthus13> I may upgrade... Just as long as they keep the classic gnome option. I despise unity.
[02:52] <dmcglone> I agree
[02:52] <dmcglone> what version will this release be?
[02:53] <canthus13> 11.04?
[02:53] <canthus13> Or do you mean unity?
[02:53] <dmcglone> Ubuntu
[02:54] <canthus13> Ah. 11.04
[02:57] <Cheri703> I'll download it, but won't do anything beyond liveboot for QUITE a while. I just upgraded to 10.10 like a month or so ago
[02:57] <dmcglone> ok, I'm looking at all the changes that will be in it
[02:58] <dmcglone> Cheri703: I've been running 10.10 since it's release
[02:59] <Unit193> I'm running the beta (that got a bad upgrade...)
[03:00] <dmcglone> I sure hope they don't release it with the rc kernal :-/
[03:04]  * dmcglone is checking out fedora
[03:05] <Unit193> Why? You should take a look at Xubuntu (stay in the debian family)
[03:07] <dmcglone> I'll check that out too
[03:08] <Cheri703> \o/ one of my packages has arrived at the post office in mansfield, one of them is in transit to mansfield, HOPEFULLY should get both tomorrow !!
[03:08] <Unit193> Packages? You didn't just get it from the repo? ;)
[03:09] <Cheri703> one is an order from amazon (ink and such), the other is MY NETBOOOOOOOK!!!!
[03:10] <Cheri703> I'm so freaking eager to get it back
[03:13] <dmcglone> 8 minutes to download an ISO :-)
[03:13] <canthus13> dmcglone: Woohoo.
[03:14] <dmcglone> canthus13: tell me about it
[03:14] <dmcglone> I've never seen ISO's DL that fast
[03:15]  * canthus13 has. :)
[03:15] <canthus13> all the time.
[03:16]  * canthus13 debates upgrading to 50/3.  He could use the increased upload speed....
[03:16] <Cheri703> I don't upload much
[03:16] <dmcglone> what tool do I use to create a install USB stick?
[03:16] <canthus13> unetbootin
[03:17] <Cheri703> are you in ubuntu now?
[03:17] <canthus13> or the usb creator in the system menu.
[03:17] <Cheri703> I use the usb creator
[03:17] <Cheri703> it's easier generally
[03:18] <dmcglone> ok I see the USB creator
[03:20] <dmcglone> do different distro's tweek the applications to their own liking?
[03:20] <Unit193> Default applications
[03:21] <canthus13> dmcglone: most don't do it to near the extent that ubuntu does.
[03:22] <dmcglone> It's been so long since I've done any research. I can't even remember the last distro I used, before switching to Kubuntu, then Ubuntu
[03:23] <dmcglone> I'm way out of touch
[03:23] <Unit193> I have a folder called ISOs that's 17.6 GB
[03:24] <canthus13> dmcglone: Hmm... I think the last distro I used before ubuntu was Gentoo.
[03:27] <dmcglone> the startup disk creator is asking me what device to use and it only lets it be erased and my HD hdb is the only listed and no choice to change it
[03:32] <canthus13> Try unetbootin instead.
[03:34] <dmcglone> I got it, my USB stick is actually sdb1 but now it will not let me choose an ISO. I think it only works with Ubuntu ISO's :-/
[03:36] <dmcglone> Oh wow, it will not let me choose the fedora ISO
[03:36] <Cheri703> oh, yeah, the built in one only works with ubuntu
[03:36] <Cheri703> sorry
[03:37] <dmcglone> haha, that shady on Ubuntu's part
[03:38]  * dmcglone is installing unetbootin
[03:40] <canthus13> unetbootin installs any ISO.
[03:41] <dmcglone> it's working
[03:41] <dmcglone> how shady of Ubuntu to do that :-/
[03:41] <Cheri703> eh, it's just set up to work with their stuff
[03:43] <dmcglone> I guess. LOL
[03:43] <Unit193> Does the Ubuntu one work with persistance?
[03:44] <dmcglone> I couldn't say, it wouldn't let me use it LOL
[03:44] <dmcglone> I'll be back in a minute, gonna reboot
[03:45] <Cheri703> Unit193: yes, you just have to set it up that way
[03:56] <dmcglone> Ok back
[03:58] <dmcglone> I forgot I needed to set up my wireless card
[04:11] <dmcglone> well, I'm out all have a good one :-)
[04:33] <canthus13> paultag: Hey... is there a Fluxbox Desktop metapackage?
[04:34] <paultag> canthus13: nosir. I made one a while back, but no one cared
[04:34] <paultag> canthus13: looking for some goodies>
[04:34] <paultag> sed s/>/?/g
[04:34] <canthus13> bummer. I was poking around at openbox, but it's pretty much useless as it is in ubuntu. :(
[04:35] <paultag> canthus13: fluxbox, fbautostart, nautilus, gnome-do is what I do
[04:35] <canthus13> I'm looking for something similar to crunchbang's layout.
[04:35]  * canthus13 likes crunchbang, but development is too erratic.
[04:36] <paultag> canthus13: not hard to get together, but nothing is set up for it, nope
[04:36] <paultag> good project, though
[04:36] <paultag> ok, I need some help, though (for realsie)
[04:36] <canthus13> Oh?
[04:36] <paultag> I need to set up an LLC so I can do consulting work for real life work (got an offer)
[04:36] <paultag> and I need a name
[04:37] <canthus13> Cool. :)
[04:37]  * canthus13 would love to get into consulting... Needs to nail down a few certs first.
[04:38] <canthus13> If I think of something, I'll let ya know.
[04:38] <paultag> canthus13: thanks man :)
[04:39] <canthus13> any time.
[04:39] <paultag> canthus13: yeah, I'm doing some software consulting work
[04:39] <paultag> should be nice
[04:39] <canthus13> Nice.   Bake me some cookies and maybe we'll talk...
[04:49] <Cheri703> I still have some left from saturday night...
[04:49] <canthus13> I'd have a hard time getting it to Mansfield, though.
[04:49] <Cheri703> hongry
[04:49] <Cheri703> don't want to make anything
[04:51] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:52] <Cheri703> we have a ton of dishes to do, and we need to clean out our fridge...tomorrow is housework day...until my netbook arrives, and then we'll be having private time :D
[04:53] <Cheri703> *netbook and I
[13:42] <Derath-Srvr> hi all
[15:31] <Unit193> Hello Derath-Srvr !
[16:13] <Derath-Srvr> how's it going Unit?
[16:14] <Derath-Srvr> You going to be there this weekend?>
[16:15] <Unit193> I don't think I can :/ I really wanted to see all the people from IRC...
[16:15] <Derath-Srvr> :(
[16:17] <Unit193> I have something at 6pm... Are you going?
[16:18] <Derath-Srvr> I believe I am...
[16:18] <Derath-Srvr> Nothing's stopping me at this point, but will know more as weekend gets closer
[16:19] <Derath-Srvr> nicotine time, bbl
[20:42]  * Derath-Srvr sighs
[20:43] <Cheri703> paultag or anyone else from cleveland going to the thing on sunday?
[20:43] <paultag> Cheri703: not sure
[20:43] <paultag> Cheri703: I'm not, finals time :(
[20:44] <Cheri703> :(
[20:44]  * Cheri703 needs to try to find a ride, the people who I'd normally borrow a car from are on one car right now :/
[20:44] <Cheri703> so I can't
[20:44] <paultag> Cheri703: :(
[20:45] <Cheri703> yeah
[20:45] <Cheri703> I really want to go!
[20:45] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah, me too!
[20:45] <paultag> I'd rather be living it up then doing this bullscrit :)
[20:46] <Cheri703> yeah
[20:46] <Cheri703> OMG PAUL MY NETBOOK ARRIVES TODAY AND LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TO UDS
[20:46] <paultag> LD
[20:46] <paultag> :D *
[20:46] <Cheri703> I'm waaaaaaaaaaiting for the UPS guy
[20:46] <Cheri703> he comes usually between 5 and 7 :(
[20:56] <Cheri703> IT'S HEEEEEEERE
[20:56] <Cheri703> I will be gone for a while to clone my stuff back over :) :)
[21:00] <canthus13> canthus13: Just remember... Don't hug it tooo tight. ;)
[21:01] <canthus13> bah. Missed.
[21:01] <Unit193> Talking to yourself?
[21:19] <canthus13> Unit193: Looks like it.
[21:20] <canthus13> Meh. why clone? Just swap the drive from one machine to the other.... :/
[21:22] <Unit193> External drive
[22:54] <canthus13> Cheri703: Yay?
[22:55] <Cheri703> yay indeed!
[22:55]  * Cheri703 is using netbook :)
[22:55] <Cheri703> do any of you know anything about bluetooth in ubuntu?
[22:55] <canthus13> Awesome!  Sully's gonna go to De Ja Vu before he heads to europe.   It sucks.
[22:55] <Cheri703> kk
[22:56] <Cheri703> my device manager is saying something about bluetooth (they replaced the netbook, so it's mildly feasible it might have it), but I dunno anything about it
[22:56] <canthus13> It might...
[22:57] <canthus13> Cheri703: paste lspci..
[22:57]  * canthus13 has bluetooth come up for no reason on machines that don't have it, though.
[22:58] <Cheri703> hmm...it doesn't show it there
[22:58] <Cheri703> I dunno, I'm not too worried about it
[23:22] <canthus13> I think ubuntu misinterprets some wireless adapters as multifunction bluetooth/wireless cards...


[06:22] <wgrant> cjwatson, blr: Oops, I remember seeing the notification on my phone, but apparently not enough to not fall asleep in the intervening ten minutes.
[10:38] <cjwatson> wgrant: Could you have a quick look at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/git-mail-fix-delta/+merge/257015 ?  I believe that will make it possible for me to clear the QA queue.
[10:41] <cjwatson> (There's a couple of BMP preparation branches too, which should be reasonably trivial)
[10:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: Ah, thanks :)
[10:58] <wgrant> Yep
[11:00] <cjwatson> wgrant: Oh, how's the apparmor stuff coming?
[16:38] <cjwatson> wgrant: Our "Work out branch vs repo UI and model considerations" is essentially done now, isn't it?
[16:38] <cjwatson> *task
[16:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yep, I think so.
[16:39]  * cjwatson tickyboxes
[16:41] <cjwatson> I moved 'Make "Unmerged revisions" work' to later, and went through tasks adding dependency links in their descriptions
[16:41] <cjwatson> Now that I've worked out how to do that
[16:42] <wgrant> oh you can do that?
[16:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: type @ and then you can search for a task name (among other things)
[16:43] <cjwatson> It's only in prose, but a lot better than nothing
[16:44] <wgrant> oh fancy
[16:54] <cjwatson> Most of the MP code is up for review now.  There are a bit over 1K lines remaining, consisting of GitRef.getMergeProposals, TargetGitRepositoryWidget, BMP browser code of various levels of hackiness (I suspect resubmit might still be broken), and the new GitRef views.


[13:49] <mariusz35> Hello. Could anyone point me to a way of passing user-data to cloud-init waiting in a fedora server 36 isntance? It's running on VMware 7.03
[13:49] <mariusz35> I've tried to get this working for 2 days, but passing user data as a base64 encoded string in vm parameters doesn't wor
[13:50] <mariusz35> and I've found another way where vsphere can apply guest customization, but that doesn't support the fedora OS
[13:51] <mariusz35> Is there a good article or tutorial available that describes the methods one can use to pass user-data to cloud init running inside fedora on VMware?
[14:01] <minimal> mariusz35: I think the problem is that there are several ways VMware can integrate with cloud-init and it also depends on the version of cloud-init being used
[14:02] <mariusz35> I've got cloud-init 22.1 installed
[14:02] <mariusz35> would mounting an .iso with user-data and meta-data work? like in this article - https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-SD-WAN/4.1/vmware-sd-wan-operator-guide/GUID-46F3C13D-038E-4C92-B639-864B516AE663.html
[14:02] <minimal> there are VMware and OVF datasources, which are you trying to use?
[14:03] <minimal> mounting an iso is basically NoCloud (or ConfigDrive2 also?) and would always work
[14:04] <minimal> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/ovf.html
[14:04] <minimal> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/vmware.html
[14:05] <minimal> that article is referencing creating an ISO for NoCloud
[14:05] <minimal> which DataSource are you trying to use?
[14:06] <mariusz35> Yes, I've tried passing guestinfo.userdata and guestinfo.userdata.encoding, but that didn't work before. Thanks for those links though, I'll read over those again to double-check if i skipped a step
[14:10] <minimal> mariusz35: guestinfo only seems to work with vSphere
[14:11] <minimal> I get confused by all the different VMware products etc so its not clear to me which VMware products work with which cloud-init DataSource, e.g. does "bare" ESXi (no vSphere) work with VMware DS
[14:14] <mariusz35> I'm not sure, but I've used vSphere. I've probably skipped a step so my plan is to start fresh and go through the cloudinit doc for VMware datasource exactly step-by-step. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I've seen a lot of articles about cloud-init but never actually found the one describing the VMware datasource itself in the
[14:14] <mariusz35> cloud-init docs.
[14:14] <mariusz35> Probably due to mostly using google for searching
[14:16] <minimal> mariusz35: the VMware datasource was only added to cloud-init in August 2021 so there are probably few docs online about it
[14:16] <minimal> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/953
[14:17] <minimal> you might find this useful: https://github.com/vmware-archive/cloud-init-vmware-guestinfo#walkthrough
[19:18] <mariusz> Hello. I've gone through the following page https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/vmware.html with a fedora 36 server image with cloud init installed to get the VMware vSphere datasource working but I see no signs of my VM seeing the metadata and userdata provided
[19:19] <mariusz> are there some things that need to be configured additionally to ensure the VM sees the configuration applied to it with govc?
[19:41] <mariusz> I'm getting "failed to find a valid data access method" inside /var/log/cloud-init-output.log and google only gives me the link to github https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceVMware.py
[19:42] <mariusz> Which is worrying since I've followed the docs' walkthrough.
[19:42] <mariusz> and the VM has the metadata and userdata added to it's config in vSphere
[19:50] <mariusz> update: previously I had the data added, but after restoring a snapshot it disappeared. Now cloud-init noticed the data but notified me of an invalid format of the yaml file. looks like the biggest problem was solved!
[19:50] <mariusz> Sorry for bothering, no need for any help anymore i think
[20:11] <quintasan> My user data (https://pastebin.com/gsbS0YxA) creates only one apt repository entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. I have no idea what I am doing wrong, can anyone help me figure this out?
[22:02] <blackboxsw> holmanb: thanks for the updates on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1517 good to land
[22:03] <holmanb> blackboxsw: \o/ thanks :D
[22:10] <blackboxsw> quintasan: looks like there's a WARNING/Traceback in /var/log/cloud-init.log on that cloud-config. You specified $release in your user-data instead of $RELEASE. Case sensitive difference there I think
[22:10] <blackboxsw>       source: deb [arch=amd64] https://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/ $release nginx
[22:10] <blackboxsw> should actually be
[22:10] <blackboxsw>       source: deb [arch=amd64] https://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/ $RELEASE nginx
[22:11] <blackboxsw> egrep 'WARNING|Traceback' /var/log/cloud-init.log on your system and you'll find the breadcrumb pointing to keyerror on "release"


[00:01] <BigProblem> i am more good then you
[00:01] <BigProblem> :D
[00:01] <BigProblem> i found out why i got that error coz the maintance shell is user root
[00:01] <BigProblem> i needed to su frank first then running the command asks for a password
[00:01] <BigProblem> that works he adds sig to keyring
[00:01] <BigProblem> but then comes a fail
[00:02] <BigProblem> there we are again at the point encryptfs files arn
[00:02] <BigProblem> 't demaged so the passpharse is stored there
[00:02] <BigProblem> and working
[00:04] <MrLahey> Hey thereI am running Lubuntu 13.04 and can't seem to resolve a monitor issue. I am on a laptop with a 1280x800 display, and connected an external monitor with a 1920x1080 display. On the large external display the lxpanel bar is the width of the screen, but program windows such as Firefox etc are behaving as if they are on the laptop monitor with a 1280x800 resolution-in other words they open as smaller windows in the upper left han
[00:04] <MrLahey> d corner of the screen. I have been playing around with arandr but cannot fix it
[00:05] <BigProblem> MrLahey you need to install additonal software to support two monitors with diffrent res
[00:05] <MrLahey> BigProblem what software do I need?
[00:05] <phillw> MrLahey: lxrandr that comes with lubuntu is a slimmed down version as to our goals
[00:06] <BigProblem> sudo apt-get install arandr
[00:06] <MrLahey> I already have arandr
[00:06] <BigProblem> helps with a guy tool
[00:07] <phillw> MrLahey: have a look at grandr
[00:07] <phillw> it brings in gnome stuff, but is easier GUI
[00:08] <MrLahey> zeus1000
[00:08] <MrLahey> ok I will try it
[00:08] <MrLahey> thanks
[00:10] <phillw> MrLahey: grandr is no longer in the repos :'(
[00:10] <phillw> let me try to find a tutorial on arandr
[00:16] <phillw> MrLahey: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/arandr-a-simple-visual-front-end-for-xrandr.html ubuntu geek are pretty okay (just ignore the language on the drop down page! )
[00:17] <phillw> BigProblem: and arandr is better than lxrandr?
[00:30] <MrLahey> I looked at the tutorial but I don't understand why windows will not fully maximize. they automatically dock to the upper left hand corner of the screen in a smaller rectangle
[00:32] <MrLahey> could this be an issue with openbox rather than arandr
[00:34] <MrLahey> in arandar there is a box representing the laptop monitor.over that is the larger box representing the larger vga monitor. although the vga monitor is displaying at full resolution, windows open and dock at the same location of the smaller box that represents the laptop monitor in arandr
[00:44] <BigProblem> I got it working even with alpha and no passpharse downwriten
[00:44] <BigProblem> ha ha ha ha
[01:16] <BigProblem> ok just to keep it clear the solution was about 8 lines of code i am so motherfucking leet that i am better then the NSA :P but thx phillw and sure holstein that you gave me the power to solve it without the hate about your comments i wouldn
[01:16] <BigProblem> thx a lot
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> lol what just happened?
[02:30] <MrLahey> Hi I am running Lubuntu 13.04 on a laptop connected to an external monitor. on the external monitor windows do not fully maximize and are stuck on the upper left hand corner. here are screen shots of what the screen looks like and what my arandar setup looks like  http://imgur.com/sWRqrsl,Stk6v12,wjD6lIS#1   http://imgur.com/sWRqrsl,Stk6v12,wjD6lIS#2
[09:30] <dw-> <3
[11:09] <Ascavasaion> Can someone please point me in the direction of the audio control application?  Trying to listen to music using headphones and they are only playing in mono.
[11:11] <Ascavasaion> xfce4-mixer ?
[11:12] <jared> Ascavasaion: I'd suggest having a play with a few different oness from the repository to see which one you like best
[11:16] <Ascavasaion> Blegh
[15:53] <Hukkinen> I loost ctrl commands after configuring laptop volume keys in lxde/opebox, using either ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml and/or xbindkeys
[15:54] <Hukkinen> any hints?
[16:05] <leszek> hi
[16:05] <Unit193> Howdy.
[16:06] <Unit193> Hukkinen: So if you unbind, does it fix it?
[16:21] <Hukkinen> Unit193: hey. how I unbind and what?
[21:28] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[21:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> i just installed lubuntu i386 with alternate iso, and for the first boot, i got a white screen
[21:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> i cant join any tty
[21:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> do you know this issue?
[21:29] <ianorlin> did you check md5sum?
[21:29] <ianorlin> bad burn maybe?
[21:29] <ianorlin> or bad download
[21:30] <Schrodinger`Cat> i check MD5sum, and on the usb key, i have done an integrity check, all ok
[21:31] <Schrodinger`Cat> its not the i386, but amd64
[21:32] <ianorlin> oh the install where it said to restart?
[21:32] <Schrodinger`Cat> yes
[21:32] <Schrodinger`Cat> installer say to me to remove the usb key and reboot
[21:34] <ianorlin> did you put the boot flag on the hard disk you installed it on?
[21:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> i installed lubuntu on a logical partition, so the installer tell me it was not good to set bootable an logical parition, so i dont set this partition as boot flag
[21:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> i do wrong?
[21:42] <ianorlin> I think boot you don't have boot flag on the partition with lubuntu then I am not sure you can boot from it
[21:45] <Unit193> !nomodeset
[21:49] <bennypr0fane> hello, would someone have a look at this? http://frozenbyte.com/help_humble/linuxfaq.html  scroll down to "sound problems". the fix described here doesn't work for me as I don't have that lib I'm supoosed to copy over. I suspect it may be referring to an old version of Alsa, the Alsa lib on my system is libasound2
[21:55] <bennypr0fane> preliminary question: how do I find a library I know to be present on my system?
[22:09] <Schrodinger`Cat> i solve my issue but going to the grub menu, select recovery, and after that i been able to apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade the kernel, now all is ok
[22:09] <Schrodinger`Cat> ianorlin: it was not the boot flag the problem :)
[22:09] <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks !
[22:09] <ianorlin> ah


[01:57] <xevious> cyphermox: I finally got around to booting that custom.iso. Here's what it looks like on my laptop: http://imgur.com/a/16H89
[01:58] <xevious> It's what I was picturing based on what you and dmj_s76 had described.
[19:17] <dmj_s76> xevious: Thanks for taking a look at that.
[21:11] <dmj_s76> xevious: It turns out the double header results from an issue with the Humanity icon set.


[18:24] <astraljava> zequence: Pardon me, but this laptop of mine isn't capable of doing test runs of ISO images. I tried with Xubuntu, and it took 3+ hours, and failed to reboot afterwards. I'm going to have to make other arrangements for testing. But I can do some development with this.
[21:21] <zequence> astraljava: Well, I've already made sure the ISOs boot and are functional. Would be nice to get a second opinion, but should be ok.
[21:21] <zequence> Seems like the Xubuntu folks have done a lot of testing
[21:21] <zequence> Ours is not exactly like theirs, so we could have some problems that I'm not aware of
[21:23] <zequence> I've pretty much skipped all normal desktop stuff, aside form the most basic stuff.


[00:01] <knome> time to go to bed
[00:02] <knome> nighty
[00:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: You no no see pings?
[00:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: haven't scrolled up yet
[00:45] <bluesabre> Unit193: re xubuntu-artwork vcs-browser?
[00:50] <Unit193> That and a couple things in d/control, GTK → GTK+ (lintian)
[00:51] <Unit193> Hrm, well actually I have bzr rights, I can do those after XXX is branched.
[00:59] <bluesabre> :)
[01:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: poke
[01:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hi.
[01:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: hi
[01:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: where are we with gmb 1.1.15?  Do we need to update any packages or the like, or is it already packaged up somewhere?
[01:52] <bluesabre> s/packages/patches
[01:53] <Unit193> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git
[01:53] <bluesabre> oh nice
[01:53] <bluesabre> so we're just waiting for upload on that one
[05:14] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-September/001152.html
[10:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, I saw that, how exciting
[11:51] <flocculant> exciting enough for cake? or raw batter
[12:07] <bluesabre> cake, yay
[12:07] <bluesabre> flocculant, knome, slickymaster: we should probably do a final call for translations, I can do it tonight if you agree
[12:08] <bluesabre> in particular, we have a lot of incomplete here
[12:08] <bluesabre> https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre
[12:08] <bluesabre> https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search
[12:09] <bluesabre> and a few, though complete here
[12:09] <bluesabre> https://translations.launchpad.net/xfpanel-switch
[12:09] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[13:57] <kristianfzr> Hi all
[13:58] <akwxi_dave> howdy..
[13:58] <kristianfzr> Im so very new at this.
[13:58] <kristianfzr> Should I even write here or somewher else ?
[13:59] <akwxi_dave> you can write here.. it all depends on what your after.. :-)
[13:59] <kristianfzr> Well I saw in the xbuntu web site about this place. And I wanted to try it out.
[14:00] <akwxi_dave> then welcome friend and enter... :-)
[14:00] <kristianfzr> Thank you.
[14:00] <kristianfzr> !
[14:00] <kristianfzr> I will see you all later, because im leaving.
[14:00] <kristianfzr> Thanks for the welcome ! :)
[14:01] <akwxi_dave> ok.. have a good day
[14:01] <kristianfzr> u 2 :)
[14:01] <akwxi_dave> cheers
[14:02] <kristianfzr> owh
[14:02] <kristianfzr> Cheers
[14:02] <kristianfzr> Australian ?
[14:03] <akwxi_dave> English.. UK
[14:04] <akwxi_dave> Well Yorkshire to be precise
[20:44] <Unit193> No updates on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/+bug/1168558 either?
[20:51] <knome> hey ochosi
[20:54] <flocculant> evening knome
[20:56] <knome> hullo flocculant
[20:57] <flocculant> how's Thursday?
[20:57] <knome> soon ending
[20:57] <flocculant> :)
[20:57] <knome> in 3 minutes
[20:57] <flocculant> good lord
[20:57] <flocculant> it was 7:30 last time I saw the time ...
[20:57] <knome> :D
[20:58] <flocculant> just reinstalled - quicker than working out how I'd managed to fubar aptdaemon
[20:59] <knome> :D
[20:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: LP 1473821 - Debian 791548.  Everything good?
[21:37] <Unit193> flocculant: Still here?
[21:37] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: Backlog in -devel as for now, sound good or want to see if we can push for earlier?
[21:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: hm?
[21:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: re xubuntu-artwork?  I have no qualms with getting that fixed now.  Particularly since we're a bit slow right now
[21:50] <Unit193> Meant in #ubuntu-devel.
[21:51] <bluesabre> oh
[21:51] <bluesabre> :D
[21:51] <Unit193> Basically, I'm supposed to poke on stuff and I have no idea about questions asked, just a strange messager that got shot.
[21:51] <bluesabre> checking now
[21:53] <bluesabre> ok, I see
[21:53] <Unit193> Also I linked you to bugs too.
[21:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: since we're a few short weeks away at this time, we might consider getting the code in but not targeting w for -core
[21:54] <Unit193> Sooo, "community builds" again, or just save it all for next time?
[21:54] <Unit193> Also, feel free to join in.
[21:54] <Unit193> I'm a minion, you're the TL! :P
[21:55] <bluesabre> :D
[21:56] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, but you're the minion that knows something about all this ;)
[21:56] <Unit193> Hopefully at least, but only the technical side.
[21:56] <bluesabre> Unit193: we can also nudge flocculant to see how he feels about trying to do this for w
[22:02] <bluesabre> looks like the list of bugs for me to work on is growing again
[22:02] <bluesabre> busy weekend ahead
[22:03] <bluesabre> getting ready to head out to dinner, bbabl
[22:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: rly? what bugs?
[22:03] <ochosi> and hi and bye :)
[22:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: FWIW, that one is preventing migration to testing.
[22:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: the gtk-theme-config one?
[22:05] <Unit193> Aye.
[22:05] <bluesabre> will try to resolve that one quickly... though people are still tweaking their firefox/iceweasel appearance with theme-config?
[22:05] <bluesabre> er, with the rc file
[22:05] <bluesabre> (time to get a better theme I'd say)
[22:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: also got a few with catfish in other locales
[22:06] <bluesabre> might be time to figure out the polkit upgrade
[22:07] <ochosi> oh, for updating the cache you mean?
[22:07] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:07] <ochosi> sounds almost like a feature to me though ;)
[22:07] <bluesabre> indeed
[22:07] <bluesabre> would also affect mugshot since it uses sudo chfn
[22:08] <bluesabre> not going to be that guy... but gksu was easier
[22:08] <bluesabre> :D
[22:08] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[22:08] <ochosi> :D
[22:08] <Unit193> gksu is muuuuuuuuuuuch nicer.
[22:08] <ochosi> hf and ttyl!
[22:09] <ochosi> night everyone
[23:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, forgot to mention, Trello crap updated.


[01:43] <matmatmat> hey
[01:43] <matmatmat> after upgrading to lucid my computer boots into console
[01:43] <matmatmat> what can i do to fix that?
[01:43] <matmatmat> should i install gdm?
[01:44] <superm1> how'd you install lucid?
[01:45] <matmatmat> edit the sources.list
[01:45] <matmatmat> changed everything to lucid
[01:46] <superm1> you should never upgrade like that
[01:46] <matmatmat> really?
[01:46] <superm1> update manager needs to be able to handle things that changed that couldn't be represented in packaging
[01:46] <matmatmat> why not.. and how instead
[01:47] <superm1> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[01:47] <Zinn> [www.ubuntu.com] Upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 | Ubuntu
[01:47] <superm1> that's the proper way to upgrade
[01:47] <superm1> now for going to lucid, it's still in development, so you just need to add a '-d' argument to show development releases
[01:47] <matmatmat> aside from the x thing it works surprisingly well tho ,)
[01:48] <superm1> you're lucky that it went "smoothly" :)
[01:48] <superm1> so now that you're broke, go and check if mythbuntu-desktop is still installed
[01:48] <superm1> if it's not, you should be able to install it, and it will get the system to life
[01:48] <matmatmat> should install from the scratch now?
[01:49] <matmatmat> ok, will go check
[01:49] <superm1> well it's up to you, you can try to recover from how the system is now.  if that works, spectacular.  if not, go grab the daily image for 10.04 and install from scratch
[01:49] <superm1> !daily
[01:49] <Zinn> zsync http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync  <+|+>   zsync http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[01:49] <superm1> either of those commands will get you the current daily image
[01:53] <matmatmat> well
[01:53] <matmatmat> now it IS broken
[01:54] <matmatmat> mythbuntu-desktop and gdm werent installed, got both, now it boots into a screwed x
[01:55] <superm1> nvidia-current might be missing if you used nvidia
[01:55] <matmatmat> its not that screwed
[01:55] <matmatmat> its more a screwed xfce
[01:55] <superm1> mythbuntu-default-settings missing?
[01:55] <matmatmat> im getting a sort of terminal window in the left upper corner
[01:56] <matmatmat> i think the screen res is ok
[01:56] <matmatmat> looks pretty high when i look at the small font
[01:56] <superm1> so is it logging into the failsafe-x terminal session maybe?
[01:56] <superm1> type exit, and see if it kicks you to a login scren
[01:56] <superm1> if so, there should be a selector at the bottom to pick different sessions
[01:57] <matmatmat> cant type anything in there
[01:57] <superm1> you have to bring the mouse over the terminal part maybe?
[01:57] <superm1> so it can focus
[01:58] <matmatmat> yeah
[01:58] <matmatmat> youre right
[01:58] <matmatmat> got gdm now
[01:59] <matmatmat> so err
[02:00] <matmatmat> can i do anything about that?
[02:02] <matmatmat> i cannot pick other sessions
[02:02] <matmatmat> it lets me only pick a user
[02:05] <matmatmat> any idea what to do now superm1?
[02:06] <matmatmat> and actually
[02:06] <matmatmat> i dont have a cd drive
[02:07] <dewman> diskless install! woohoo! =)
[02:07] <matmatmat> i would really like to avoid that second option
[02:07] <matmatmat> ya.. i know its possible
[02:08] <matmatmat> but that includes some work
[02:08] <dewman> its nix..... There is always work..... =)
[02:09] <superm1> matmatmat, ooh fun. umm.
[02:09] <superm1> if mythbuntu-desktop is installed at that point, and mythbuntu-default-settings, i dunno
[02:12] <dewman> matmatmat, here you got..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo
[02:12] <Zinn> [www.youtube.com] YouTube - Running rm -rf / on Linux
[02:12] <dewman> hehehe
[02:15] <matmatmat> i will add that to the list of things to do before i jump off a bridge
[02:16] <matmatmat> anyways, installing from the scratch does have other disadvantages
[02:17] <superm1> i've actually (accidentally) done that myself before
[02:17] <superm1> a shell script that was supposed to clean up something with $PREFIX/
[02:18] <superm1> well due to a bug in filling out the variables in the script, $PREFIX wasn't getting defined
[02:18] <superm1> and of course an undefined variable in shell equates to an empty string
[02:19] <dewman> I always wondered what would happen. Its nice to know that there are people out there willing to show the rest of the world..
[02:19] <matmatmat> i wonder if you can actually screenrecord that
[02:20] <dewman> I think it was being done in a vm
[02:20] <matmatmat> ya
[02:20] <matmatmat> prolly
[02:20] <dewman> there is no way...
[02:20] <dewman> some of the comments were pretty funny....
[02:24] <matmatmat> if i get a daily build, is a way to upgrade it to the next daily build without hassle?
[02:24] <matmatmat> like svn checkout
[02:24] <matmatmat> just for the binary
[02:27] <matmatmat> ok, there is apparently
[02:29] <superm1> matmatmat, zsync between images
[02:30] <superm1> or if it's installed, just use update-manager or apt-get to do it
[02:30] <superm1> it's only from lucid->lucid+1 etc that you can't just s/lucid/lucid+1/ sources.list
[02:31] <matmatmat> from karmic to lucid?
[02:31] <superm1> same thing
[02:31] <superm1> i'm just saying generically from major release to major release you need to use update manager
[02:31] <superm1> for binary isos, you can zsync
[02:31] <superm1> for upgrades within the release, use update manager or apt
[02:32] <matmatmat> zsync as in installing from scratch
[02:32] <matmatmat> or what?
[02:33] <superm1> zsync downloads ISOs in a binary diff type format
[02:33] <matmatmat> why would i need an iso to update
 if i get a daily build, is a way to upgrade it to the next daily build without hassle?
[02:33] <superm1> that's how you update to a new "daily" build
[02:33] <superm1> otherwise, it's just regular upgrades like you normally would in ubuntu
[02:33] <superm1> with apt-get etc
[02:34] <matmatmat> i'm just confused why a cd image (if i understand correctly) is used
[02:34] <matmatmat> or is binary iso something different
[02:35] <matmatmat> obviously yes
[02:35] <superm1> cd image == iso image. that's just how we distribute our installer
[02:35] <superm1> zsync is a tool to do binary diff's of images
[02:35] <superm1> so you only need to download what changed from one cd image to another
[02:35] <matmatmat> yeah, i got that
[02:36] <matmatmat> but if i have a daily build already
[02:36] <matmatmat> installed
[02:36] <matmatmat> i need a "new" (zsynced) .iso to update to the next build?
[02:37] <superm1> no
[02:37] <matmatmat> oh
[02:37] <matmatmat> so i can obtain the daily builds with apt-get?
[02:38] <superm1> yesish
[02:38] <matmatmat> oh hehe
[02:38] <superm1> i mean the new daily builds are just snapshots of the archive with all the debs preinstalled
[02:39] <matmatmat> well, lets assume i get the .iso of todays build
[02:40] <matmatmat> how exactly do i perform the update tomorrow to get the next daily build
[02:40] <tgm4883> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:40] <superm1> that or open up update-manager
[02:40] <tgm4883> well, maybe a dist-upgrade
[02:40] <tgm4883> or yea, do what superm1 says
[02:40] <matmatmat> yeah. ok
[02:41] <matmatmat> actually i'm not dumb. it just seems so.
[02:42] <matmatmat> and -- well, usually it wouldnt update to trunk versions i guess
[02:42] <matmatmat> but if i get the trunk version in the first place, then it does?
[02:42] <superm1> we ship 0.23, not trunk right now
[02:42] <superm1> if you want trunk, you need to enable autobuilds and pick trunk
[02:43] <matmatmat> yeah... thats what im talking about
[02:43] <superm1> i wouldn't recommend getting trunk though
[02:43] <superm1> it's constantly in flux, whereas 0.23 is stabilizing
[02:43] <matmatmat> i'm waiting for a ticket to be resolved that has been submitted 6h ago
[02:44] <matmatmat> yeah.. stabilizing, wise choice of words
[02:45] <matmatmat> so autobuilds was what i was lookin for all the time
[02:47] <superm1> yeah sounds like it :)
[02:48] <matmatmat> who can i bribe to look at that ticket errm
[02:49] <matmatmat> its just one line of code..
[02:53] <matmatmat> i guess if i get the sources and compile the modified version then everything will screwed next time i try to apt-get upgrade?
[02:53] <superm1> more than likely
[02:54] <matmatmat> gotta stick to bribing then
[04:59] <matmatmat> scratch
[05:00] <mrand> scratch is an awesome program
[05:19] <matmatmat> so is mythtv
[05:19] <matmatmat> works like a charme now
[05:20] <matmatmat> except for that one thing
[05:34] <mrand> matmatmat: was this it? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8269
[05:34] <Zinn> [svn.mythtv.org] #8269 (Aspect ratio changes not detected while watching H.264 SDTV) – MythTV
[05:36] <matmatmat> yeh hehe
[05:36] <matmatmat> i was about to bribe them but they told me it was solved to hours ago
[05:36] <matmatmat> shouldve checked more often
[05:37] <mrand> That should be in tomorrow's auto-builds.
[05:37] <mrand> (as in tomorrow evening)
[05:39] <superm1> was it fixed on 0.23 or trunk though?
[05:40] <matmatmat> 0.23 i think
[05:40] <mrand> yes
[05:40] <mrand> both
[05:40] <matmatmat> it was broken on both at least
[05:40] <matmatmat> /is
[05:41] <matmatmat> mhhh iptv ran reallllly smooth, now my machine is running a buttload of upgrades .. hope it wont break anything
[05:42] <matmatmat> i'm still fascinated by watching tv without a physical tuner
[05:42] <mrand> what iptv are you watching?  Using MNV?
[05:43] <matmatmat> mnwhat?
[05:43] <matmatmat> i'm using the freebox tuner thing in mythtv
[05:43] <matmatmat> its dvb-ip
[05:43] <matmatmat> by my isp
[05:44] <mrand> ah.
[05:44] <mrand> MythNetVision is what I was referring to.
[05:44] <matmatmat> oh.. nah
[05:44] <matmatmat> its real tv
[05:44] <matmatmat> even HD channels
[05:44] <matmatmat> at like 10mbit h264
[05:45] <mrand> but it probably isn't available to anyone outside your isp's network.
[05:45] <matmatmat> yeah
[05:46] <tgm4883> what ISP?
[05:46] <matmatmat> which still makes it 500 times more mobile than a sattelite dish
[05:46] <matmatmat> german alice-dsl
[05:48] <matmatmat> anyways, after argueing with my landlord over broken cable ill be getting sattelite tv in a month.. and of course iptv is no match to that. but its a good alternative to dvb-c here
[05:49] <matmatmat> and ill have an additional tuner
[05:51] <matmatmat> hm crap. dist upgrade is giving me hassle about the db
[05:52] <matmatmat> unknow mysql server host "localhost"
[05:53] <matmatmat> should i try <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:53] <mrand> I'm off to bed, but it shouldn't matter.  Make sure sql is running.
[10:02] <gbee> are the 0.22-fixes weekly builds still being updated?
[10:09] <Daviey> gbee: not at the moment
[10:11] <gbee> I backported a memory leak fix yesterday that would be worth having for those who choose to remain on 0.22 until the bugs have been worked out of 0.23
[10:20] <Daviey> gbee: oh cool, i'll try and push a manual 0.22-fixes today
[10:22] <gbee> thanks
[11:11] <jussi01> do you guys have a devel chan?
[11:12] <jussi01> ahh found it :)
[15:02] <superm1> gbee, hmm doing 22 fixes weekly builds might not be easily done
[15:02] <superm1> Daviey, if you figured out how to, then great :)
[15:03] <gbee> isn't that what you've been doing up to now?
[15:03] <superm1> well we have it set up to do two builds at most at a time
[15:04] <superm1> a "-fixes" and a "-trunk"
[15:04] <superm1> so when it comes time to open a new upstream fixes branch, it gets migrated over
[15:04] <gbee> and you've migrated to the future 0.23 branch already?
[15:05] <superm1> yeah
[15:06] <superm1> so 0.23-fixes builds and 0.24-trunk are happening right now
[15:11] <gbee> nuts
[15:15] <superm1> well all the old 0.22-fixes builds are still published from before
[15:16] <superm1> it's not like we delete them, just weren't going to update
[15:16] <superm1> Daviey and i can discuss how to allow these to always be built if there are fixes to old branches
[15:18] <gbee> yeah, just means that anyone wanting the backend mem leak fix need to upgrade to 0.23 before it's stabilised, which usually takes a few weeks
[15:18] <superm1> right
[15:50] <Daviey> superm1: I was just going to do it manually, pulling in most recent autobuild from the PPA, bumping the revision and pushing again
[15:50] <Daviey> (ie, not using the autobuild scripts)
[15:51] <Daviey> superm1: Can you see a problem there?
[15:53] <superm1> Daviey, well the -fixes packaging branch is significantly different
[15:53] <superm1> oh
[15:53] <superm1> i see what yo umean
[15:53] <superm1> yeah that's probably sufficient
[19:35] <superm1> OT: anyone want to play a quick game of wofie
[19:35] <superm1>  /j #wolfie
[19:42] <Daviey> gbee: 0.22-fixes should be up to date now
[19:42] <gbee> Daviey: much appreciated, thank you
[19:59] <bjd> yo, is there some issue where you can't modify playback profiles?
[19:59] <bjd> all the options seem greyed out and i can't select/change anything
[20:04] <bjd> ah, upgrading to latest build fixed it =)
[20:06] <Daviey> bjd: 0.22-fixes?
[20:28] <bjd> Daviey: yep
[20:30] <Daviey> ok, great - bjd, that build is hot off the press ! :)
[20:40] <bjd> :)
[20:42] <bjd> just really thinking aloud, but suppose you have a board with spdif headers, (labelled +5v, ground, spdif out) and i've got an nvidia card with hdmi out with has spdif in headers - in theory - should I be able to use the headers on teh board?
[20:43] <bjd> i can't figure if the headers are specific to asus or not
[20:55] <javatexan> want to hear a funny story?  this morning my ubuntu based mythtv box did not want to boot.  It currently boots off of sda5 and sda6 is the swap.  error message was that it couldnt find UUID=xxxxx...  I then let it reboot and i went into edit on grub menu...I changed root=uuid=xxxx to root=/dev/sda5 and it works.  Once logged in, I went to /dev/disks/by-uuid and sure enough there is a entry for sda6 but not sda5....Is there a way to m
[20:55] <javatexan> oh, its 9.10
[20:56] <javatexan> oh, when I run update-grub now, it changed all the root=uuid to root=/dev/sda5 ...... go figure eh?
[20:57] <javatexan> apparently all this happend last night when I shutdown the computer...it all worked fine yesterday/last night
[20:58] <javatexan> any ideas?
[20:58] <tgm4883> javatexan, thats odd
[20:58] <tgm4883> #wolfie
[20:58] <javatexan> i thought uuid was being used to help with removable drives and so forth, so i guess I should figure out how to get the UUID back for sda5
[20:58] <tgm4883> @learn wolfie - Come play #wolfie
[20:59] <tgm4883> !wolfie
[20:59] <Zinn> Come play #wolfie
[20:59] <tgm4883> javatexan, yea UUID is used in case the drives switch locations
[20:59] <superm1> tgm4883, we can start bribing users.  if they play two rounds of wolfie we help them
[20:59] <tgm4883> superm1, great idea
[21:00] <tgm4883> !wolfie
[21:00] <Zinn> Come play 2 rounds of #wolfie and get assistance with your issue
[21:01] <rhpot1991> if they win 2 rounds of wolfie :)
[21:01] <superm1> well that's not really fair, because we would just kill them over an over
[21:02] <superm1> so javatexan come play two rounds of wolfie and tgm4883 will help you
[21:02] <tgm4883> wait..what?
[21:03] <superm1> ;)
[21:03] <rhpot1991> ya I dunno whats up with that, UUID has been used for a while
[21:03] <javatexan> what is !wolfie?
[21:03] <rhpot1991> so long I can't remember the last time I saw something not use it
[21:03] <superm1> javatexan, /j #wolfie, you'll see
[21:04] <javatexan> sounds like a virus
[21:04] <javatexan> ;)
[21:04] <superm1> haha
[21:04] <superm1> ever played 'mafia'?  it's an IRC version of it
[21:04] <javatexan> ah
[21:04] <superm1> we need 2 more
[21:04] <javatexan> gotcha
[21:05] <javatexan> brb...I hope...its telling me to reboot...cross your eyes
[21:08] <Daviey> superm1: good effort :)