[04:42] <suifur> How would I forbid a module from being loaded? I have a Netgear WG511 wireless card and it 'supposedly' works with the prism54 native linux driver but it doesn't and I want to use ndiswrapper instead. I want to forbid my system from loading the prism54 driver and alias wlan0 to ndiswrapper. how would i do so?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK
[04:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:42] <caffinated> suifur: modprobe
[04:42] <jony> do you guys know any good java IDE or editor for linux??
[04:43] <caffinated> jony: jedit or eclipse
[04:43] <suifur> caffinated: im aware of that but at boot it automatigically loads the prism54 driver...
[04:43] <Absenth> what would be an example of a very light weight web browser, that at least mostly functions?
[04:43] <suifur> Absenth: epiphany? firefox?
[04:43] <Absenth> just pulling up a page in firefox on this computer takes the cpu to 90% ormore.
[04:43] <suifur> Absenth: what is it?
[04:44] <Absenth> the page?  www.userfriendly.org
[04:44] <caffinated> Absenth: well, if you're willing to go non-free, i'd suggest opera
[04:44] <suifur> Absenth: no the hardware?
[04:44] <Absenth> P2 266 with 192mb of ram now.
[04:44] <caffinated> the alternative browsers to firefox mostly suck in the free dept.
[04:44] <caffinated> either that, or they're using the gecko engine anyway
[04:44] <geneo93> Absenth:  dilo
[04:44] <crimsun> geneo93: ah, a conflicting file?
[04:44] <suifur> Absenth: heh i have less ram than that and run a p2 333 and i have no problems at all but you might try getting off of Gnome first, its a resource hog on machines like that
[04:45] <Absenth> suifur I'll exit, and come back in xfce and see how that goes.
[04:45] <geneo93> galion
[04:45] <Absenth> brb
[04:45] <caffinated> those are all gecko browsers iirc
[04:45] <caffinated> so they're all going to be a bit hungry
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Absenth: as geneo93 says , dillo is quite nice - but rather limited
[04:46] <caffinated> heh
[04:47] <caffinated> or good ol' elinks even
[04:47] <crimsun> links or w3m
[04:47] <thoreauputic> caffinated: actually *links* compiled with graphics is quite good, if a bit eccentric
[04:47] <thoreauputic> links -g
[04:47] <caffinated> thoreauputic: i know a guy who uses it quite religiously.  i think he's half insane
[04:47] <geneo93> caffinated:  thats to much work for most ppl
[04:48] <Absenth> so I should look into Dilo as well as opera.  Anything else I should consider trying?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> caffinated: good for browsing sites that block well-known browsers but don't have  aclue what links is ;-)
[04:48] <caffinated> Absenth: well, you could try something that uses khtml, but i'm less than happy with that engine myself.
[04:48] <geneo93> i've used it a couple of times in 6 yrs so
[04:49] <caffinated> thoreauputic: that makes no sense.  why would you make a site, and then block well-known browsers?
[04:49] <thoreauputic> caffinated: heh - banks do it all the time
[04:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:49] <NormD> I'm assuming that means "I.E. only"...?
[04:49] <caffinated> ah, ok
[04:49] <caffinated> NormD: yeah, i wasn't thinking ;)
[04:50] <thoreauputic> NormD: oh - and the ones that won't allow firefox but allow netscape 7
[04:50] <Absenth> Hmmmm..... just the gnome terminal is worth 9% of the cpu.....
[04:50] <thoreauputic> what a joke
[04:50] <Absenth> Thanks for the help guys.
[04:50] <NormD> heh.  assumption there is probably "I.E. and AOL only"  : )
[04:50] <caffinated> thoreauputic: that's usually due to bad browser checking.  not any desire to block mozilla and/or firefox
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Absenth: gnome termianl is slow - try aterm
[04:51] <caffinated> or eterm :D
[04:51] <Absenth> I guess I'll have to install those.....
[04:51] <thoreauputic> caffinated: yet when you email them, they don't fix it
[04:51] <caffinated> i have cycles to waste though, so i use gnome-terminal
[04:51] <pinPoint> i set my dma to on on /hda and still totem takes a long time to load
[04:51] <caffinated> thoreauputic: it takes a lot of noise for any of those places to consider spending the money
[04:52] <Absenth> this is a huge departure from my normal computing experiance.
[04:52] <pinPoint> for playing dvds
[04:52] <caffinated> thoreauputic: you have to keep in mind that the decision makers are clueless
[04:52] <thoreauputic> caffinated: indeed
[04:52] <sabmoc> hello
[04:52] <geneo93> xterm is there i believe
[04:52] <Absenth> the other two computers are a 1900+ w/512 and a 2400+ w/1024mb respectivly
[04:52] <thoreauputic> caffinated: well, firefox is edging towards 10% - soon they'll have to pay attention
[04:52] <Absenth> I am hoping to get this slow pc running well enough that I don't mind surfing, and checking my mail on it.
[04:52] <caffinated> thoreauputic: it's still a farily small piece of the pie overall;  but one would hope they would.
[04:53] <geneo93> i use what ever is handy
[04:53] <Absenth> keep the temps in my office under 28c :)
[04:53] <caffinated> thoreauputic: it all comes back to this.  We pay attention to it all, so it's a big deal to us.  they don't pay attention to it, so unless a lot of people bitch, nothing will happen.
[04:53] <thoreauputic> caffinated: they can't afford to alienate 10% of their customers, though
[04:53] <NormD> I thought I saw 6% on the last slashdot blurb I read...still, that's quite a movement over the last few months.
[04:54] <DazeD||laptop> hows everyone doing tonight
[04:54] <pinPoint> need help with playing dvd
[04:54] <caffinated> thoreauputic: 10% browser usage doesn't really mean 10% of the banks customers
[04:54] <thoreauputic> caffinated: but I understand your point and agree with you
[04:54] <Absenth> I don't suppose there's any way to migrate the gnome menus into xfce?
[04:54] <caffinated> a bank may have less than 1% of it's users using firefox.
[04:54] <geneo93> dont believe any thing on /.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> caffinated: true- IE still rules the banks I guess ;-)
[04:55] <Fackamato> has anyone experienced any troubles by compiling your own kernel in ubuntu?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: no, because I haven't ;-)
[04:55] <thoreauputic> sorry
[04:55] <caffinated> geneo93: it's not a question of believing or disbelieving things on /. - it's to do with using your brain, and doing some follow-up research if you're interested in being in the know.
[04:55] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:55] <Fackamato> thoreauputic: ;P
[04:55] <Fackamato> I'm thinking of compiling my own kernel
[04:55] <Fackamato> Just for fun, tweak it etc
[04:56] <NormD> hrrm....I gotta believe *some* things I read there...else I wouldn't have noticed Ubuntu and Mepis...caffinated's right on the money there. : )
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: thinking about it is harmless ;)
[04:56] <Absenth> anyone want to share the diffrences between a and e term?
[04:56] <caffinated> Absenth: e is closer to z?
[04:56] <Absenth> that was helpful :)
[04:56] <caffinated> Absenth: eterm has a few more eye-candy options ;)
[04:56] <geneo93> well how does osnews report ubuntu
[04:57] <Fackamato> thoreauputic:  :P :P :P
[04:57] <caffinated> well i would hope
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Absenth: aterm is lighter, eterm is eaier to configure with point and click
[04:57] <caffinated> this distro kicks ass
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: heheh
[04:57] <Fackamato> thoreauputic: well, I'm gonna go for it
[04:57] <Absenth> I'm installing both :)
[04:57] <geneo93> eugenia sucks big ones so i dont read it anymore
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: have fun then :)
[04:57] <caffinated> excellent community backing, and a truly brilliant marketing idea.
[04:58] <caffinated> the free CD shipping - just brilliant.  i've got all my friends ordering them :)
[04:58] <Absenth> Ubuntu does kick ass....  on slightly faster hardware then this computer :)
[04:58] <Absenth> I think my Celery 700 would do fantastic.
[04:59] <geneo93> well look at beos gave free d/l for pe and i didn't succeed
[04:59] <rempresent> i am trying the new kubuntu release, it isn't all that great
[04:59] <rempresent> kde still looks a little dated
[04:59] <rempresent> not as pretty or smooth as ubuntu
[04:59] <DazeD||laptop> hey how do get my wireless card to scan for access points to connect to...and once found how do i get it to connect to it?
[04:59] <Absenth> rempresent, I had Xandros 3 on the other computer earlier today.  I agree KDE just isn't for me.
[04:59] <geneo93> update it then
[04:59] <caffinated> geneo93: right, but this is different because people will order it just because it's free, and it doesn't use up their time.  beos also didn't have a livecd, had sub-par hardware support, and it lacked a lot of software.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Absenth: try aterm -tr +sb -sh 80 -fg grey -bg black  when you get it, to see waht can be done...
[05:00] <rempresent> there is just something about gnome that makes it more current
[05:00] <Absenth> rempresent, however, the guys over at Mad Penguin think kde and qt are the cats ass, and gnome/gtk suck.
[05:00] <NormD> I'll order a few sets to pass along after the official release. I suspect it might even be "auntie ready" by that point...
[05:00] <caffinated> geneo93: someone is more likely to try something if a friend hands them a cd and says "keep it, i have 9 more at home" than if they're given a link
[05:01] <rempresent> i understand, i just can't see it, i am going to use kde for a week, and if i am still disappointed then i am going back
[05:01] <Absenth> thoreauputic, that looks pretty nice actually.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> caffinated: yes, my 15 CDs went fast
[05:01] <rempresent> i just tried installing debian by itself today also, that was a task...
[05:01] <caffinated> thoreauputic: heh, guess it's time to get on the new list eh?  i went conservative, only 10 386 builds and 3 AMD64 builds
[05:01] <geneo93> thats true
[05:01] <rempresent> after like 3 hours, x wouldn't run correctly and crashed on me
[05:01] <caffinated> i should have got a few PPC ones though, i know some macintoy users
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Absenth: assuming you have a functional mouse scroll wheel it's fairly practical
[05:02] <geneo93> i took my other 9 to the local library
[05:02] <Absenth> rempresent, I'll be honest I haven't loved gnome much in the past, although, the way Ubuntu has it configured really changed my mind.  at least 90% better then a generic gnome setup like FC3's layout
[05:02] <rempresent> yep, i agree
[05:02] <calc> is FC3's actually generic now?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> caffinated: I'm already signed up :)
[05:02] <calc> they used to modify it heavily
[05:02] <rempresent> i am not crazy about the whole rpm deal either
[05:02] <rempresent> apt is the shit
[05:02] <Absenth> calc, I dunno about that, but it's just a toolbar across the bottom ala windows.
[05:03] <calc> Absenth: that isn't stock gnome
[05:03] <caffinated> Absenth: well, to give you an idea:  i've used linux off and on forever.  and I always go back to windows.  there is always some annoyance or issue or problem that angers me enough to go back.  I think they may have actually got it to the point where it's a viable alternative now.
[05:03] <calc> ubuntu's gnome is nearly stock but they changed the top menu around a bit
[05:03] <geneo93> anything that comes from rh needs a good polish
[05:03] <Roey> hi
[05:03] <calc> so i guess it is proof that the normal gnome layout is a pretty good one :)
[05:03] <Roey> calc: hi
[05:03] <calc> Roey: hi
[05:03] <Absenth> caffinated, I'm in the same boat.  Although I've found recently if you're willing to pull your hair out in the first few weeks after setup to get everything working.  then it's smooth sailing.
[05:04] <Roey> once I compile my own kernel, how do I use mkinitrd on that new kernel image?
[05:04] <|al3x|> calc : i think so
[05:04] <caffinated> Absenth: many people mistake my attitude as some kind of "fanboyism" but the truth is, i've been waiting, and checking back for a long time now waiting for *this*
[05:04] <Absenth> caffinated, also it's nice not to have the system performance degrade over the next 6 weeks --> 6 months forcing another reinstall.
[05:04] <geneo93> caffinated:  best way to avoid going back is fdisk and nukeing cds
[05:04] <andrewski> caffinated: *this* being ubuntu?
[05:04] <caffinated> andrewski: more or less
[05:04] <caffinated> it's not completely hassle-free, but it's close enough for me now.
[05:05] <Absenth> caffinated, what I've been waiting for was a way to use linux, and still get my work done at the office which is over 99% windows.
[05:05] <Fackamato> Hm, anyone know a page with kernel tweaks?
[05:05] <Fackamato> Performance tweaks
[05:05] <andrewski> caffinated: well, nice.  i switched from gentoo; nice we can coexist with this distro. :)
[05:05] <caffinated> geneo93: i'm not pro-windows.  i'm not pro-linux.  i'm pro-having-it-my-way. :)
[05:05] <crimsun> calc: like everquest
[05:05] <andrewski> Fackamato: the kernel docs?
[05:05] <SiRrUs> good evening guys
[05:05] <calc> crimsun: heh, i'm still stuck playing old games ;)
[05:05] <Roey> anyone know the answer to my question?
[05:05] <crimsun> calc: hehe
[05:05] <Absenth> caffinated, it it wasn't quite so....  stupid....  I'd probibly be using Xandros 3.0 buisness edition at work, since it intigrated with AD really nicely.  However I don't really want to pay $129 for something I don't like.
[05:05] <Roey> YOU!
[05:06] <calc> i never reboot my main desktop out of linux
[05:06] <Roey> you know
[05:06] <Amaranth> caffinated: Ubuntu was the first distro that kept me on Linux more then a week
[05:06] <crimsun> Roey: hey now, I'm checking lastlog
[05:06] <thoreauputic> the other thing that's nice is the relative absence of arrogance and elitism on this channel
[05:06] <NormD> absenth: cygwin and OO 2.0? : )
[05:06] <Absenth> caffinated, I'm pretty Pro OpenBSD.
[05:06] <Roey> crimsun:  :)
[05:06] <caffinated> Absenth: heh, i actually destroyed my first installation with too much tinkering
[05:06] <|al3x|> Amaranth: :-) really ??
[05:06] <caffinated> however, i wanted to move to hoary anyway
[05:06] <calc> i think i more or less stop dual booting my desktop in 98
[05:06] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:06] <caffinated> so it all worked out
[05:06] <Roey> *caffeinated
[05:06] <Roey> *absynthe
[05:06] <crimsun> Roey: pfft. You're supposed to pass --initrd
[05:07] <Amaranth> i've used it on servers for years so i was comfortable with a command line but other things were annoying
[05:07] <Roey> crimsun: to what, the kernel building process? :)
[05:07] <Absenth> NormD, I can't seem to make Cygwin do anything I want it to inany sort of useful manner
[05:07] <crimsun> Roey: to fakeroot make-kpkg
[05:07] <caffinated> Amaranth: i *love* gnome.  it's so clean, and snappy.
[05:07] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:07] <Roey> crimsun: that's a command?!
[05:07] <Roey> caffinated: that's what I like about KDE, too.
[05:07] <crimsun> Roey: see make-kpkg(1) !
[05:08] <Roey> crimsun: thanks!!!!
[05:08] <caffinated> Absenth: under windows i don't use cygwin, i use services for unix
[05:08] <Absenth> Roey, it's actually Absinth 90% of the time.  In New Orleans it was renamed Absynthe.
[05:08] <|al3x|> i want to upgrade my warty to hoary
[05:08] <Roey> Absenth: oh right!
[05:08] <thoreauputic> DoppelGanger: haha - well someone has to iI guess :)
[05:08] <Roey> Absenth: why the name change? is that a brand name?
[05:08] <caffinated> Absenth: it's still free (albiet it needs 2000 or XP pro) but it's much better integrated, and i found things easier to compile.
[05:08] <Absenth> Roey, no, just curious how many people would catch the misspelling :)
[05:08] <billytwowilly> |al3x|, it's easy read the wiki you change 3 or 4 things in your sources.list file from warty to hoary.
[05:08] <Roey> Absenth: :)
[05:08] <caffinated> that's how i kept using irssi in windows
[05:09] <caffinated> SFU + GCC + irssi source ;)
[05:09] <Absenth> So Far you're only the second one.
[05:09] <DoppelGanger> Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/ makes you sexy
[05:09] <|al3x|> billytowilly : yup, i c
[05:09] <geneo93> |al3x|:  its very easy
[05:09] <calc> just do :%s/warty/hoary/g
[05:09] <New2ubuntu> I need help I need to get DVD support on my machine, but it insists that this repository doesn't exist deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable
[05:09] <Absenth> now.....  If I could only get my Blackberry to connect to my linux machine at work.  The conversion would be complete.
[05:10] <New2ubuntu> Is there another repository that has win32codecs?
[05:10] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, marillate sometimes goes down.
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Absenth: ther's a pun, is there not? As in "absynthe makes the heart grow fonder" ? *g*
[05:10] <Absenth> thoreauputic, heh.....  there might be..
[05:10] <New2ubuntu> billytwowilly is there an alternative repository?
[05:10] <|al3x|> geneo93 : i change my source-list to hoary then run apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:10] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, Not that Iknow of.
[05:10] <calc> |al3x|: apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, yea
[05:11] <Absenth> thoreauputic, one of these days I'm going to order a $200 bottle of Absinth, and have it shipped to my house to put on a shelf.  I'm not sure I'm brave enough to actually open it, or drink from it.
[05:11] <pinPoint> help help
[05:11] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, marillat is up right now.. I just did an update from there.
[05:11] <pinPoint> fglrx wont load
[05:11] <geneo93> ahh you have to update first
[05:11] <Roey> crimsun: I read the make-kpkg docs but I don't understand what 'fakeroot' refers to. How do I know which files to put in that fakeroot directory???
[05:11] <New2ubuntu> ok
[05:11] <|al3x|> calc : i use ubuntuforum.org as my source list
[05:11] <New2ubuntu> could you send my the deb address
[05:11] <pinPoint> x wont start
[05:11] <New2ubuntu> maybe this blog is wrong
[05:11] <crimsun> Roey: use fakeroot instead of running it as root or as a user
[05:11] <geneo93> apt-get update then dist-upgrade
[05:11] <pinPoint> i have to type startx and thats after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:11] <billytwowilly> Absenth, Absinth isn't that dangerous. Ecstacy is more dangerous than Absinth
[05:11] <Roey> crimsun: upon boot you mean?
[05:11] <Roey> crimsun: and that 'fakeroot' is a flag
[05:11] <crimsun> Roey: nope, when you run make-kpkg
[05:12] <pinPoint> from "fglrx" to "ati"
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: ok.. so it's a flag?
[05:12] <crimsun> Roey: it's a command
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: aaah.
[05:12] <Absenth> billytwowilly, having never tried anything outside of Smoking Camel Lights, and more then my share of Captain Morgans.
[05:12] <prince> hey is there a java 1.5 repository for hoary?
[05:12] <New2ubuntu> billytwowilly could you give me the deb address you are using, mybe the Forum I got mine from is wrong
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: so I'd do:  make-kpkg fakeroot --initrd vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:12] <Roey> yes?
[05:12] <crimsun> Roey: no, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd ....
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: then what about System.map-<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[05:12] <prince> hey billytwowilly :)
[05:12] <billytwowilly> Absenth, Yah, smoking tobacco is worse for you than absinth as well.
[05:13] <Roey> crimsun: ah.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Absenth: I believe the French word "absinthe" also means "wormwood"
[05:13] <billytwowilly> prince, sup?
[05:13] <andrewski> :q
[05:13] <calc> most now days don't include wormwood
[05:13] <andrewski> whoops :P
[05:13] <|al3x|> price: java respitory? what do you means ?
[05:13] <crimsun> Roey: I'm fairly certain you want fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd             make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image
[05:13] <Absenth> billytwowilly, the big question is, does absinthe show up when your employeer throws you into a random drug screening?
[05:13] <billytwowilly> prince, look on ubuntuforums.org there is a link to a java repository. You're breaking the java licence if you use it though.
[05:13] <prince> billytwowilly, you never have come by to ge that cpu stuff
[05:13] <crimsun> Roey: err, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
[05:14] <Absenth> thoreauputic, That's true,  and Calc, that's also true.
[05:14] <prince> billytwowilly, why?
[05:14] <crimsun> Roey: sorry, paste went wonky there
[05:14] <calc> Absenth: its alcohol so probably
[05:14] <calc> besides the whole staggering around bit
[05:14] <Roey> crimsun: ok
[05:14] <billytwowilly> Absenth, I'm not certain. If they are testing for it then yes it will. The question is how long afterwards. If it is fat soluble (like THC) then a long time afterwards, if it is water soluble (like Cocaine) then not so long afterwards.
[05:14] <Roey> crimsun: how does make-kpkg know where the System.map file is for the corresponding kernel_image ?
[05:14] <deang> Sorry but google and my 56k line are failing me. How do I modify the Applications , Computer menus, along with the top level enclosed folders?
[05:15] <crimsun> Roey: they're named matching the respective uname -r
[05:15] <Roey> billytwowilly: are there any countries where cannabis is 100% legal?
[05:15] <Absenth> billytwowilly, all the more reason to leave it on the shelf for conversation, and not open it up.
[05:15] <Roey> crimsun: aaaah ok.
[05:15] <billytwowilly> prince, Because the licence says you can only repackage java and distribute it with the permission of sun and sun doesn't usually give that out to individuals.
[05:15] <Roey> crimsun: hmm, I dunno what the uname -r name of this fresh bzImage is.. how can I find out?
[05:15] <New2ubuntu> billytwowilly I have copied the exact text of the deb from the Ubuntu guide and it says that ti cannot downlaod the repository index
[05:16] <calc> Roey: run strings on it
[05:16] <|al3x|> hey, any body try using kubuntu ?
[05:16] <caffinated> am, i wonder if theres a way to daemonize xcompmgr so if it dies it automaticly restarts.  kinda like gnome-panel
[05:16] <crimsun> Roey: look at Makefile's VERSION+PATCHLEVEL+SUBLEVEL+EXTRAVERSION
[05:16] <billytwowilly> Roey, I don't know..
[05:17] <billytwowilly> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[05:17] <billytwowilly> that's what you should have in your sources.list
[05:17] <Roey> calc: thoght about that
[05:17] <Roey> calc:  will do
[05:17] <billytwowilly> and as for the java dude here it is now that I have my sources.list open:
[05:17] <billytwowilly> deb ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Roey: i used to live in Fiji, and there was a scandal about US Peace Corps people smoking cannabis - when it hit the papers, a lot of Indo-Fijian farmers were surprised, as they'd been smoking it in hookahs for years without a clue taht it was "illegal" :)
[05:17] <billytwowilly> eb-src ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ source/
[05:17] <calc> Roey: looking at the Makefile should give you the same info like crimsun said but strings will show you what is in the file exactly
[05:17] <billytwowilly> d in front of that.
[05:18] <New2ubuntu> thank you Billytwowilly :)
[05:18] <New2ubuntu> that one worked
[05:18] <Roey> ok.
[05:18] <odie5533> What is Apache?
[05:18] <Absenth> anyone able to tell me how to create a launcher in xfce?
[05:18] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, what was the one in the faq?
[05:18] <Roey> thoreauputic: interesting.
[05:18] <Roey> thoreauputic: so is it illegal now?
[05:18] <|al3x|> odie5533: it's web server
[05:18] <calc> odie5533: a patchy web server
[05:19] <Absenth> Apache?  a tribe of indians?  also a web server.
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Roey: yes, I'd say so :)
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> no
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> not that
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> sorry
[05:19] <Roey> Linux is like a teepee:  it has no "windows", no "gates" and there's an Apache inside
[05:19] <DoppelGanger> xena a warrior princess also a lesbian show
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> eb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> that one
[05:19] <caffinated> Roey: heh, good one
[05:19] <Roey> crimsun: that fakeroot command gave this error:
[05:19] <odie5533> but
[05:19] <odie5533> Isn't Jakarta by Apache?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Roey: it was quite funny at the time - people saying "wtf - my grandfather introduced me to it !"
[05:19] <Roey> crimsun: Error: unknown target vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:20] <New2ubuntu> they hsould change the faq to say the one you gave m
[05:20] <crimsun> Roey: don't pass it that.
[05:20] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, add a main to the end of that and it will work too.
[05:20] <billytwowilly> or should work.
[05:20] <Roey> crimsun: that's what strings showed me.
[05:20] <calc> hmm supposedly apache was always intended to mean the indian tribe
[05:20] <Roey> crimsun: will look in makefile now.
[05:20] <odie5533> ASF Apache Software Foundation
[05:20] <crimsun> Roey: your uname -r will be "<IP_ADDRESS>", yes
[05:20] <New2ubuntu> ok
[05:20] <crimsun> Roey: but you don't pass that to make-kpkg
[05:20] <New2ubuntu> who do you report this too, so they can modify the Faq for better clarity?
[05:20] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, that one might be better to have anyway, newer packages.
[05:21] <Roey> crimsun: then how does it know which image to generate the rdinit on???
[05:21] <billytwowilly> It's a wiki. You should be able to log in somehow and change it yourself.
[05:21] <crimsun> Roey: when you build a kernel, it uses that one
[05:22] <Roey> crimsun: how does it know where this newly built kernel image is?
[05:22] <Absenth> alright I'm out for the night.  See everyone later
[05:22] <crimsun> Roey: that's what kernel-package does
[05:22] <Roey> !!!!arg!!!!!!!!1
[05:22] <crimsun> Roey: if you want to run mkinitrd manually, then don't use make-kpkg
[05:22] <crimsun> Roey: i.e. for an already-compiled (manually) vmlinuz
[05:23] <Roey> crimsun: I have no idea how to do this then.  All I want to do is to add a kernel image to grub, and I understand that I need an initrd.img...
[05:23] <Roey> crimsun: yes, my linux is already compiled.
[05:23] <crimsun> Roey: you don't necessarily need an initrd if you compiled the root fs in as "y"
[05:24] <odie5533> How do people normally divide their home directory?
[05:24] <Roey> crimsun: it's whatever ubuntu's 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic  says
[05:24] <Roey> crimsun: also I have raid
[05:24] <Roey> crimsun: / and /boot are on raid.
[05:25] <geneo93> odie5533:  at set up time
[05:25] <Roey> crimsun: grub chokes on startup and thinks that it can't open /dev/md2 because it cannot read an ext2 superblock or something
[05:25] <nis> yo.
[05:25] <odie5533> Hmm?
[05:25] <odie5533> I mean divide into folders
[05:25] <Roey> crimsun: (but I end up mounting /dev/md2 onto /boot manually, and mount is fine with that)
[05:25] <odie5533> how do people normally divide it up, what folders are usually made
[05:25] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Your home directory is your personal space.  Use it as it makes most sense to you.
[05:25] <odie5533> Is there a normal way to use it though?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Nope.
[05:26] <odie5533> For instance, how do you have it set up?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> odie5533: LOL!
[05:26] <odie5533> Windows did all the thinking for you, I kind of miss that :D
[05:26] <thoreauputic> odie5533: mine just looks like a dump until I get sick of it and do a cp *.txt textdir or something :)
[05:26] <nis> odie5533: you'll want ~/bin and ~/Mail at least.
[05:27] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Well, consider your home directory equivalent to My Documents.
[05:27] <odie5533> I am trying
[05:27] <odie5533> but then why have the ~/bin?
[05:27] <geneo93> well i always make a home dir seperate from / so if i have lots of thing in home i can keep them
[05:27] <odie5533> I have one, Eclipse told me to have on, and thats the only reason
[05:27] <thoreauputic> odie5533: useful for scripts and things
[05:27] <sabmoc> gah
[05:27] <thoreauputic> odie5533: you can add it to your PATH
[05:27] <crimsun> Roey: hmm, it would have been easiest to apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, modify the arches built and the config, and proceed
[05:27] <odie5533> Is that useful to do?
[05:28] <odie5533> I had just been using the /usr/bin
[05:28] <thoreauputic> odie5533: depends how you work
[05:28] <odie5533> I don't know how I do
[05:28] <crimsun> Roey: does the default ubuntu image work?
[05:28] <odie5533> which is why I am open to suggestions
[05:28] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Think of it this way: you should be able to back up your home directory, re-install the OS, restore your home directory and all your data, mail, etc. is back.
[05:28] <pinPoint> im stuck getting fglrx working, anyone have time to help?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> odie5533: no, /usr/bin should not be used - /usr/local/bin is more sensible
[05:28] <SiRrUs> ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 11:28 PM ) Day: ( Sunday ) Date: ( March 20, 2005 )
[05:28] <nis> odie5533: /bin/cat ~/.bash_profile
[05:28] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: I'm in the same boat with you.
[05:29] <odie5533> why should usr/local/bin be instead?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> odie5533: /usr/bin is for "official" system-wide binaries
[05:29] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: my dvd wont play good at all
[05:29] <odie5533> woops
[05:29] <pinPoint> lag and no picture
[05:29] <odie5533> what about lib?
[05:29] <odie5533> /usr/local/lib?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> odie5533: /usr/local can be independent of other stuff
[05:29] <odie5533> I saw the empty dirs and thought this is definately not where I should put my files :D
[05:29] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive.  As root "hdparm -d 1 (DVD drive)"
[05:29] <pinPoint> does anyone know why  VLC gets audio out of sync
[05:29] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: it is
[05:30] <DarthFrog> pinPoint:  Run xine-check.
[05:30] <odie5533> pinPoint you should be able to set it
[05:30] <janc> Roey : in several countries using cannabis is not illegal but it's not legal either  ;)
[05:30] <nis> I like to use /var/local/<hostname> to store large databases.
[05:30] <odie5533> databases?
[05:30] <odie5533> hmm?
[05:30] <janc> like in The Netherlands and (less so) in Belgium
[05:31] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: xine-check?
[05:31] <Roey> janc: that's not enough to answer 'no' on government forms that ask if you have ever illegally abused those substances
[05:31] <pinPoint> does pick up on terminal
[05:31] <nis> odie5533: photographs downloaded off the web, movies etc.
[05:31] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Yes.
[05:31] <odie5533> Ah, why?
[05:31] <Roey> crimsun: didn't try yet.
[05:31] <pinPoint> odie5533: set it how?
[05:31] <janc> AFAIK it's legal to use it in the Netherlands
[05:31] <janc> but illegal to sell  it
[05:31] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: sorry i meant doesnt
[05:31] <odie5533> why not ~/hostname?
[05:31] <prince> W: Failed to fetch ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary/sun-j2re1.4.2_07-2_i386.deb
[05:31] <prince>   MD5Sum mismatch
[05:32] <odie5533> pinPoint: I am not sure, use Xine-UI, it's better ;D
[05:32] <prince> :/
[05:32] <Roey> crimsun: I actually built all the modules as per the default ubuntu kernel's /proc/config.gz states (I used that as a base for my .config).  How the heck am I gonna stuff all those modules into mkinitrd.img ;)
[05:32] <janc> but they don't prosecute selling if you pay taxes  :)
[05:32] <nis> odie5533: because then I can mount /var/local/<hostname> as a volume, delete it etc and I know I'm only losing/moving 'consumer-oriented' data.
[05:32] <odie5533> prince: I got that a lot too, make your own JRE's, its easier
[05:32] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: 1500 lb halibut?  They don't get that big, mon ami.  Yeah, I know, you did it just for the halibut, you had a porpoise but lobster.
[05:32] <odie5533> mount as a volume?
[05:32] <visor> anybody has noticed problems downloading files from within mozilla-firefox? (of course in ubuntu)
[05:33] <odie5533> can you give me an example of what you substitute <hostname> for?
[05:33] <prince> odie5533, I thought it is friendlier for for ubuntu filetype settings?
[05:33] <Roey> janc: you close yourself off from govt contracts if you do that.
[05:33] <Roey> janc: US ones at least.
[05:33] <nis> odie5533:  mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 /var/local/mylittlehost
[05:33] <janc> there is also a law in the making in Belgium that would make 'personal non-disturbing use by adults' legal  :)
[05:33] <odie5533> Hmm... seems useless?
[05:33] <nis> odie5533:  echo $HOSTNAME
[05:34] <odie5533> oh
[05:34] <janc> but selling & growing it will remain illegal  :P
[05:34] <thoreauputic> odie5533: not if you want to segregate data
[05:34] <odie5533> Ah... I love disorganization I suppose
[05:34] <odie5533> My windows desktop needed a scroll bar :D
[05:35] <thoreauputic> odie5533: yet another thing in linux that is configurable to personal taste ;)
[05:35] <janc> Roey : just don't tell them about it  :)
[05:35] <pinPoint> odie5533: xine-check, no xine-config found
[05:35] <odie5533> Do you have xine installed?
[05:35] <nis> odie5533: the whole point is if I need to dump a gigabyte of dull photograph images and movies I never look at, I don't have to sift out from my $HOME directory what can be removed and what is essential.    I use xine.
[05:36] <pinPoint> xinelib its asking
[05:36] <odie5533> Try reinstalling it xine-ui
[05:36] <DarthFrog> odie5533: no, libxine.
[05:36] <odie5533> libxine1 I think it's called
[05:36] <janc> 'are you planning or involved in any attacks to the US' --> I'll tell them if I would...  :-P
[05:36] <odie5533> yes libxine1
[05:37] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install libxine1
[05:37] <pinPoint> installing it through synaptics
[05:37] <pinPoint> done
[05:37] <odie5533> Synaptic... ah
[05:37] <pinPoint> is it going to be added in the menu
[05:37] <pinPoint> under soud and video
[05:37] <nis> What is Synaptic anyway?
[05:37] <pinPoint> ah
[05:37] <odie5533> No, it might not be
[05:37] <odie5533> in terminal just time xine then
[05:37] <pinPoint> after reboot perhaps?
[05:37] <odie5533> and it will load
[05:37] <odie5533> no
[05:37] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Now running xine-check you shouldn't see any Ouch's. :-)
[05:37] <odie5533> you have to make your own
[05:38] <pinPoint> ok
[05:38] <pinPoint> stand by
[05:38] <odie5533> Right click the panel and click Add to Panel
[05:38] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, yeah I know, the really really big ones usually only get to 300lbs bigest on record is about 500lbs I think. But didnt you wonder what it was doing falling from the sky?
[05:38] <odie5533> Call it xine, command: xine
[05:38] <odie5533> it will make the icon by itself
[05:38] <DarthFrog> nis: synaptic is a graphical package manager.  Front end to apt-get.
[05:38] <pinPoint> hint: no xine-config found
[05:38] <odie5533> Er, Custom Launcher Application it is called
[05:38] <pinPoint> OUCH!
[05:38] <odie5533> Did it load though?
[05:38] <pinPoint> no input plugins
[05:38] <nis> DarthFrog: thanks.  I use dselect for that.
[05:39] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: I'm immersed in Monty Python.  I don't wonder about those sort of things any more.
[05:39] <odie5533> Monty Python... I never liked that... sadly
[05:39] <pinPoint> odie5533: seems like synaptic is not doing its job
[05:39] <odie5533> The humor seemed dry, and slightly british
[05:39] <odie5533> pinPoint: close Synaptic :D
[05:39] <pinPoint> since the lib looks installed but xine-check goes haywire
[05:39] <pinPoint> it is closed
[05:39] <odie5533> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[05:40] <pinPoint> there
[05:40] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, desensitized to falling halibut? now thats funny stuff...
[05:40] <thoreauputic> odie5533: *slightly* British? That's a british understatement, I'd say ;)
[05:40] <odie5533> It is your friend
[05:40] <pinPoint> sudo apt-get install libexine1
[05:40] <odie5533> thoreauputic: as it was meant ;D
[05:40] <odie5533> yes
[05:40] <ells> tritium: mike what is up man
[05:40] <pinPoint> nothing
[05:40] <odie5533> If that doesn't work... try Totem or MPlayer... or even Kaffeine I found was nice too, bit WMP GUI which I didn't like though
[05:40] <pinPoint> 0 on everything
[05:41] <odie5533> what is nothing
[05:41] <odie5533> hmm
[05:41] <pinPoint> Totem hangs
[05:41] <odie5533> Ah... hmm
[05:41] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, like being mostly dead, its a bit of an understatement.
[05:41] <ells> pinpoint: there are different versions of totem
[05:41] <odie5533> Are you up-to-date?
[05:41] <odie5533> sudo apt-get update
[05:41] <ells> pinpoint: try totem-xine
[05:41] <odie5533> sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:41] <CoNnEcT3D> anyone around that mite b able to help me with this error
[05:41] <calc> totem-xine seems to work better than totem-gstreamer
[05:41] <ells> calc-I agree
[05:41] <john> oi all
[05:41] <CoNnEcT3D> trying to get kcmpureftpd to compile
[05:42] <odie5533> I use Xine-UI, has major lag, but meh
[05:42] <john> anybdody here able to get a broadcom wifi in my Dell D600 to work?
[05:42] <john> everything else works BEAUTIFUL
[05:42] <calc> broadcom only works with ndiswrapper and only on i386
[05:42] <odie5533> Totem always got mad at me for things I didn't do =/
[05:42] <CoNnEcT3D> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss a package named similiar to libstd++-dev.
[05:43] <calc> they are $*%*% and won't release their drivers, docs or anything else for linux
[05:43] <odie5533> CoNnEcT3D: always do a search for those lib's
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> ive checked and i swear i have the necesary libs to compile it
[05:43] <odie5533> try sudo apt-cache search libstd
[05:43] <odie5533> see what turns up
[05:43] <Roey> crimsun: ok, this is not working:
[05:43] <Roey> crimsun: I give this command:
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> i have but
[05:43] <Brunellus> hey thoreauputic, wave that wand this way and tell me how to make my dockapps load when fluxbox starts
[05:43] <calc> some people are working on writing a broadcom linux driver but at their current pace it will be a few years until its done
[05:43] <Brunellus> :P
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> my apt-cache
[05:43] <Roey> crimsun: mkinitrd inird.img-<IP_ADDRESS> vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:43] <john> calc, ubunto have a deb package for ndiswrapper?
[05:43] <calc> john: not sure
[05:43] <pinPoint> odie5533: upgrade? im using hoary
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> doesnt return that specific lib
[05:43] <john> thoreauputic, thanks for the magic ;) i think i am going to need it
[05:43] <odie5533> Me too :D
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: pu them in .xsession with abn & after them?
[05:44] <CoNnEcT3D> that it asks for
[05:44] <CoNnEcT3D> = /
[05:44] <Roey> crimsun: it gives me a help screen.
[05:44] <Roey> crimsun: blah, that's it.
[05:44] <pinPoint> why apt-get upgrade?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: and maybe a -w option
[05:44] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I don't have an .xsession file
[05:44] <Fackamato> finished kernel config
[05:44] <Fackamato> now compiling \o/
[05:44] <odie5533> pinPoint: highlight me or I'll miss it, sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <HillTop> thoreauputic,  I gave away 3 ubuntu CD sets today to tech guys at a PC sales/repair place. They were very happy to get them.
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: well, whatever startup method you are using...
[05:45] <odie5533> pinPoint: It will update your packages, sudo man apt-get
[05:45] <Brunellus> I'm using gdm
[05:45] <pinPoint> odie5533: the source seems encrypted
[05:45] <Roey> crimsun: is there a way to just add a freshly built kernel into the grub chain, without the hassle of mastering the Zen of rdimage?
[05:45] <odie5533> pinPoint: What source?
[05:45] <Fackamato> odie5533: sudo isn't required for man ;P
[05:45] <pinPoint> odie5533: and cant read your DVD
[05:45] <odie5533> Fackamato: It was for me in some cases
[05:45] <tritium> hi ells - what's up?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> HillTop: I gave some to the guys at a local Aplle Centre - theyu weren't quite so happy, nthinks ;)
[05:45] <thoreauputic> *Apple
[05:45] <odie5533> pinPoint: What are you talking about, what did you run?
[05:45] <pinPoint> odie5533: do i need, css somehting
[05:45] <odie5533> try
[05:45] <pinPoint> xine
[05:46] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 i think
[05:46] <prince> whaqt package is make-jpkg in?
[05:46] <odie5533> prince: java-package
[05:46] <pinPoint> odie5533: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[05:47] <HillTop> thoreauputic,  Yesterday I had a Kubuntu with me whenI visited them - they made copies right off. Today I gave them the pretty Warty sets. :)
[05:47] <crimsun> Roey: just configure /boot/grub/menu.lst, then make sure the kernel's in place, then run update-grub
[05:47] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> HillTop: :)
[05:47] <odie5533> pinPoint: You don't have your sources configured correctly
[05:47] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Do you have the marilliat repository enabled?  That's where libdvdcss is .
[05:47] <nis> CoNnEcT3D: try mkdir test ; cd test ; script ; cd /usr/src/path/to/build/dir to make a record of the compilation so you can look at all the errors.
[05:47] <pinPoint> did update and upgrade
[05:47] <pinPoint> marilliant?
[05:47] <odie5533> pinPoint: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:47] <pinPoint> i have no idea
[05:48] <odie5533> Add as many as you can ;D multiverse, universe, marillat
[05:48] <DarthFrog> pinPoint:  Follow the URL that odie5533 just gave you.
[05:48] <odie5533> The Ubuntu wiki is quite the helper
[05:48] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You need universe, multiverse and marilliat, at a minimum.
[05:48] <odie5533> As is the amazing and all-knowing SEARCH button
[05:49] <john> does ubuntu come with kernel source on cd?
[05:49] <odie5533> Indeed, I just installed 2 days ago too ;D
[05:49] <john> i need to compile ndiswrapper against it
[05:49] <thoreauputic> john, no
[05:49] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  what init file do I have to edit to make the dockapps load?
[05:49] <odie5533> And I have switched 2 people to Ubuntu already LOL
[05:49] <Brunellus> the gdm init file?
[05:49] <john> thoreauputic, what do i apt-get to get kernel source
[05:50] <john> i guess i can run my lan cable into this room lol
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I use ~/.xsession - it depends how you start fluxbox
[05:50] <odie5533> Whenver I see someone complain about windows, I tell them Ubuntu will fix all the problems ;) it did for me at least
[05:50] <ells> tritium: sorry, i was checking email, what is up man
[05:50] <odie5533> speed, stabability, user-friendly, so many helpful people and tutorials galore, etc etc etc...
[05:50] <thoreauputic> john, sudo apt-get  install linux-source-$(uname -r) I guess
[05:51] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I have it as an option in my gdm session-types menu
[05:51] <odie5533> I still laugh at myself for ever using windows...
[05:51] <Brunellus> do I edit /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox ?
[05:51] <kevman> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu, and I cannot get it to communicate on my network
[05:51] <ells> odie5533,  I am there with ya
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I don't know, since I use a different method, sorry
[05:51] <ells> odie5533,  Not that I am a linux expert, but this site helps us all
[05:51] <tritium> ells, not much.  You?
[05:51] <Brunellus> oh, OK.  thanks anyway
[05:51] <odie5533> Yes, it does quite a bit
[05:52] <DarthFrog> ells: That's what Ubuntu is all about.
[05:52] <oggah> Hi, How do I get Azureus work properly
[05:52] <ells> tritium: not alot, just getting home
[05:52] <pinPoint> odie5533: is it a custom add in synaptic
[05:52] <ells> DarthFrog,  I agree
[05:52] <odie5533> Also, I tried so many distros, then I finally popped in Ubuntu LiveCD
[05:52] <odie5533> pinPoint: yes and no
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I use the deafult "system session" entry and a ~/.xsession file
[05:52] <odie5533> custom for multiverse and universe normally
[05:52] <thoreauputic> *default
[05:52] <ells> tritium: hows the paper ocming
[05:52] <ells> coming
[05:52] <tritium> ells, finished it up.
[05:52] <kevman> Ifconfig reports the eth0 as UP, and my DNS servers are reported, but I have no Internet
[05:52] <ells> tritium: really, how long is it
[05:52] <kevman> Any ideas?
[05:53] <odie5533> You can do either either way though
[05:53] <oggah> How do I add support for .mp3 with the standard musicplayer comes with Ubuntu.
[05:53] <tritium> ells, 6 pages in IEEEtran.cls LaTeX format
[05:53] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  do I understand correctly that you've set flux as your default wm?
[05:53] <ells> tritium:okay, sounds like fun, but what did alll that mean
[05:54] <HillTop> odie5533, when did you become Windows free?  For me it was when I installed Ubuntu this month. Otherwise there seemed to be a few things I needed on the other box. :)
[05:54] <kevman> No help?
[05:54] <nis> kevman: what is eth0 connected to?
[05:54] <Brunellus> but you don't use gdm, though, right.
[05:54] <odie5533> I am not windows free =/
[05:54] <tritium> ells, IEEE Transactions (for publication)
[05:54] <odie5533> nor will I ever be
[05:54] <ells> tritium: cool, sounds like alot work
[05:54] <odie5533> Cedega can not emulate my favorite game for the past 2 years, Halo PC =/
[05:54] <kevman> nis what do you mean? Its connected to the school system
[05:54] <odie5533> So I keep a dual boot... just for fun
[05:55] <caffinated> odie5533: cedega is a doorstop
[05:55] <HillTop> odie5533, So sorry. :/
[05:55] <kevman> All it normally has to do is DHCP and be on the net
[05:55] <odie5533> Then again
[05:55] <ells> tritium: I am getting that hard drive on tuesday, can I set it up without reformatting or installing
[05:55] <nis> kevman: /sbin/ifconfig should tell u your IP adrs.
[05:55] <caffinated> odie5533: the sad fact of the matter is, linux just isn't that good for games yet
[05:55] <odie5533> Halo PC was made by MS
[05:55] <caffinated> odie5533: i doubt that has anything to do with it
[05:55] <odie5533> So I wouldnt think it would be easy to emulate
[05:55] <oggah> How do I add support for .mp3 with the standard musicplayer comes with Ubuntu?
[05:55] <tritium> ells, which one?
[05:55] <odie5533> So sure? It emulates HL2, which is almost the same as Halo
[05:56] <ells> tritium; for the desktop
[05:56] <kevman> nis: Its being reported in base16, which is unusual.
[05:56] <ells> tritium; the 120 gig
[05:56] <odie5533> Linux isn't great for games at all... they should make a DX for linux
[05:56] <odie5533> or the equivelent
[05:56] <odie5533> Also, what language is... for instance Fire
[05:56] <nis> kevman: should be a dotted quad, unless you're talking about the MAC adrs.
[05:56] <odie5533> FireFox or GAIM made in?
[05:56] <caffinated> odie5533: uh, halo and halflife 2 are *worlds* apart
[05:56] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: i noticed its ftp location
[05:57] <caffinated> they don't even use the same engine
[05:57] <tritium> ells, yes, depending on what you want to do with it
[05:57] <odie5533> caffinated: no.. both use the same DX version, thats loads close
[05:57] <pinPoint> those are allowed in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:57] <odie5533> I meant emulating it, not how they were made
[05:57] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Which ftp location?
[05:57] <pinPoint> marrialnt
[05:57] <kevman> nis: Its not.
[05:57] <caffinated> odie5533: that doesn't mean anything.  there is more to the translation layer than what version of DX gets used.
[05:57] <ells> tritium: nice, I was hoping to add it to my total space
[05:57] <ells> tritium: if need be, I guess I can do that
[05:57] <odie5533> I haven't looked into it sadly, so you are most likely right
[05:57] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: :-)  I'm watching a Dire Straits DVD and have lost track of things.
[05:57] <ells> tritium: what would be the easiest method to set them up
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> How do I find out what version of Ubuntu I am running
[05:57] <tritium> ells, you'll have to mount it somewhere
[05:58] <odie5533> I have no use to, I can't program at all in anything but Java... and even that I am not good at all
[05:58] <kevman> It says inet6 addr: fe80::250::2cff:fe07:7968/64
[05:58] <caffinated> odie5533: the point of the matter is, there are *lots* of games that don't work in cedega.  or work badly.
[05:58] <nis> kevman: I've never seen that. eth0 should have 'inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' as 2nd line.
[05:58] <DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: cat /etc/issue
[05:58] <ells> tritium: okay Mike, well, if I reinstall ubuntu it should hook things up for me right
[05:58] <odie5533> Are games easily made for Linux?
[05:58] <ells> sort of
[05:58] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[05:58] <kevman> Well, it is strange... How can I correct it?
[05:58] <tritium> ells, heh, again?
[05:58] <odie5533> how hard is it to make a game? Harder than windows?
[05:58] <caffinated> odie5533: are games easily made for windows? ;)
[05:58] <kevman> Not use ipV6?
[05:58] <tritium> you reinstall every other day ;)
[05:59] <odie5533> comparatively I meant
[05:59] <ells> tritium: rather not, ,but just want to do the easiest way with this hard drive
[05:59] <ells> tritium: can it just be mounted for space
[05:59] <caffinated> odie5533: sure.  if thought was put in during design time to make a linux port, it's not that hard.
[05:59] <DarthFrog> There is no significant difference between making games for Windows or Linux, depending upon the graphics libraries used.
[05:59] <nis> kevman: oh, maybe that's ipv6!  I never seen that.  No clue.
[05:59] <odie5533> I may end up saying ah well I'll just make my games in java, but c++ is too much faster...
[05:59] <ells> tritium: formatted in ext3 and then used for programs and files
[05:59] <tritium> ells, yes, just pick where you want to mount it
[05:59] <kevman> ...
[05:59] <caffinated> odie5533: but the fact is, that there is very little profit in making games for linux.
[06:00] <kevman> Is there any way to revert to ipv4?
[06:00] <ells> tritium: what would you recommend mike
[06:00] <odie5533> :(
[06:00] <arek> 95% of game is graphic art and sound ...
[06:00] <odie5533> I would buy them!!!
[06:00] <caffinated> loki proved that when they went belly up, even though their ports were really nice.
[06:00] <odie5533> arek: 95% is easy stuff to ;)
[06:00] <tritium> ells, it's a personal preference, really, so I'm no tsure.
[06:00] <tritium> not sure
[06:00] <ells> caffinated, they should have been in the pc and linux market
[06:00] <nis> kevman: first I'd look in the man page for ifconfig to see if you can get that reported normally etc.
[06:00] <ells> tritium: cool man
[06:00] <arek> odie5533: no thats the hardest part
[06:00] <odie5533> I was reading a tutorial on designing 3d game engines, entirely over my head none-the-less quite challenging
[06:00] <caffinated> ells: yes, but there is no money in porting windows games to windows ;)
[06:00] <arek> rest is easy
[06:01] <caffinated> ells: all the games they were doing already had companies selling windows versions.
[06:01] <odie5533> I disagree... to design a fully 3d game engine requires an amazing amount of math knowledge, that of course I have yet to learn
[06:01] <ells> caffinated, okay, i get what you were saying
[06:01] <odie5533> What graphics libs are there for linux?
[06:01] <Zyan> Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any strange ndiswrapper problems with Hoary. I have to modprobe -r after every reboot to get the card to work
[06:01] <arek> odie5533: well you got other game engines to take ideas from
[06:01] <odie5533> No directx I know that
[06:01] <odie5533> arek: thats called stealing ;D
[06:02] <arek> thats life
[06:02] <odie5533> and unless you are called MS, you don't do that
[06:02] <caffinated> odie5533: depending on license, it could be called contributing
[06:02] <ells> tritium: mike you ever play UT2004
[06:02] <tritium> ells, No, I'm not really a gamer
[06:02] <caffinated> odie5533: MS doesn't steal code.
[06:02] <nis> Zyan: I'd just write a boot script that does that (modprobe -r) if it works. ;)
[06:02] <odie5533> Yes they do...
[06:02] <pinS> odie5533, is this good?
[06:02] <ells> tritium: I am not really either, ,but the graphics on the laptop are awesome
[06:02] <odie5533> for instance... java? lol
[06:02] <arek> there are some engines with open source are they?
[06:02] <odie5533> pinS: is what good?
[06:03] <caffinated> odie5533: an implimentation of something doesn't imply code theft.
[06:03] <pinS> odie5533, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat hoary marillat
[06:03] <odie5533> arek: I doubt they are commercial
[06:03] <pinS> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat hoary marillat
[06:03] <Zyan> nis: I'd much rather get it working right =( never had to do that before
[06:03] <Fackamato> quake3 is open source
[06:03] <Fackamato> have a look at that
[06:03] <odie5533> no I thought
[06:03] <odie5533> that marillat used unstable
[06:03] <caffinated> odie5533: that's like saying openoffice stole from microsoft because it can open word documents.
[06:03] <odie5533> instead of hoary
[06:03] <odie5533> open office didn't loose a lawsuit for it though did they?
[06:04] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Ubuntu can use Debian repos.
[06:04] <caffinated> odie5533: right, because they didn't steal code.  they implimented an idea.
[06:04] <odie5533> not named incorrectly? I though
[06:04] <caffinated> odie5533: and microsoft didn't steal code either.
[06:04] <odie5533> I thought they did, at least a while ago
[06:04] <odie5533> before I was born
[06:04] <caffinated> hell, they don't *need* to steal code.  they can outright buy anything they need.
[06:05] <odie5533> they also steal money... but it isn't illegal how they did it
[06:05] <odie5533> windows for example, in itself was made from money taken from IBM
[06:05] <caffinated> odie5533: i think you should spend some time studying the corporate model.
[06:05] <pinS> odie5533, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SIUA2D86.html
[06:05] <geneo93> caffinated:  i beg ti differ on that last statement
[06:05] <ells> tritium: well mike,  gotta go,  I am supposed to be moving the desktop
[06:05] <odie5533> ms was supposed to make OS2 was it, and used the money for Windows
[06:05] <caffinated> geneo93: i figured you might :)
[06:05] <mike_douglas> sound problems with latest hoary. /dev/dsp is busy, yet lsof isn't reporting any processes holding it and there are no sound servers open.
[06:05] <tritium> ells, have a good night.  I'm going to get to bed early myself. :)
[06:05] <ells> tritium: later Mike
[06:06] <nis> Zyan: how about a kernel rebuild and change M to Y for that module?
[06:06] <odie5533> Wheres is the sources file located for apt-get?
[06:06] <odie5533> It escapes me at the moment
[06:06] <pinS> /etc/apt/sources.lisst
[06:06] <Zyan> nis: that may do it, didn't think about that.
[06:06] <rempresent> word
[06:06] <kevman> Well, I used ifconfig to change my Ip version to 4, and it ignored the command
[06:06] <geneo93> caffinated:  i dont think you were around in the early days
[06:06] <odie5533> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:07] <caffinated> geneo93: that's possible, but how far back is "the early days" for you?
[06:07] <rempresent> question:  i want to enable the windows sharing network that is in the network settings, what packages do i need to download to get that to work?
[06:07] <caffinated> geneo93: i mean, i started programming on a TI-99/4A
[06:07] <calc> caffinated: wow you are old :)
[06:07] <virtuald> caffinated: is that a calculator?
[06:07] <odie5533> caffinated: I did the same! but on a DOS prompt, then a Ti-83+ ;D
[06:07] <caffinated> virtuald: no
[06:07] <calc> virtuald: almost
[06:07] <virtuald> :P
[06:08] <calc> ti99/4a was a real computer but was nearly as small as a graphing calculator
[06:08] <geneo93> i had a trs-80
[06:08] <virtuald> ok
[06:08] <caffinated> calc: no, it was about the same size as a trash-80
[06:08] <odie5533> it was a real computer
[06:08] <odie5533> ;)
[06:08] <odie5533> good one too, super fast
[06:08] <KarlosII> :>
[06:08] <caffinated> i owned 2 of those too
[06:08] <odie5533> top-of-the-line
[06:08] <odie5533> Amazingly fast eh?
[06:08] <odie5533> I couldn't believe the speed
[06:08] <pinS> odie5533, GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:08] <caffinated> heh, 'fast' is such a relative term
[06:09] <calc> caffinated: i must be thinking of one of the other ti99 then
[06:09] <odie5533> pinS: I don't know what that means, but I got that too
[06:09] <calc> caffinated: yea the 4a was bigger than i am remembering
[06:09] <caffinated> calc: yeah, probably.  sec, i'll see if i can find a picture for you
[06:09] <odie5533> caffinated: quite :D
[06:09] <nis> kevman: This isn't quite related, but it may put you onto the right idea:  cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[06:09] <calc> or maybe i was just thinking of the sinclair, not really sure
[06:09] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You can safely ignore that.
[06:09] <odie5533> then I had a computer, desktop, which loaded DOS in under 10 minutes!!!
[06:10] <calc> though the ti99/2 was somewhat smaller
[06:10] <pinPoint> k
[06:10] <odie5533> I couldn't believe the blazing speed of that baby
[06:10] <kevman> OK, WTF is a sit0?
[06:10] <caffinated> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=236
[06:10] <odie5533> kevman: where do you see it?
[06:10] <JDahl> around what time was that? I remember getting an Amstrad 464 around 85
[06:10] <caffinated> there she is, in all her outmoded glory ;)
[06:10] <odie5533> or is it one of those random messages that just come up 'sit0'
[06:10] <kevman> Its in ifconfig, along with lo and eth0
[06:11] <virtuald> ip over ip tunnel
[06:11] <kevman> Its "Ipv6-in-IPv4"
[06:11] <kevman> Why would I use that? Can I use just straight ipV4?
[06:11] <DarthFrog> kevman:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
[06:11] <virtuald> if you want a tunnel to the ipv6 internet
[06:11] <jsgotangco> sit0 is an ipv6 thingie
[06:12] <DarthFrog> kevman: It's a tunnel.
[06:12] <calc> caffinated: yea i probably am thinking of the sinclair
[06:12] <caffinated> ooh, those were nice
[06:12] <caffinated> the little ones?
[06:12] <pinS> odie5533, works like a charm but where's my audio
[06:12] <calc> caffinated: yea
[06:12] <caffinated> with the touchpad kinda keys?
[06:12] <pinS> and the video appears interlaced
[06:12] <calc> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=639
[06:12] <pinS> can it be deint'ed
[06:12] <odie5533> Press [ALT]  + [S]
[06:12] <odie5533> change as much as you want
[06:12] <odie5533> set the level to master though
[06:12] <nis> kevman: I'd trace the entire boot procedure, starting with /etc/inittab
[06:13] <caffinated> calc: i think i was thinking of a slightly newer model, but i remember those.  they rocked :)
[06:13] <odie5533> What does deinterlaced mean anyways? :D
[06:13] <pinS> you dont see motion lines
[06:13] <pinS> on fast scenes
[06:13] <odie5533> Is that bad?
[06:13] <pinS> well i do video and i tend to notice that alot
[06:13] <pinS> lol
[06:13] <odie5533> I constantly see motion lines, is that really fixable? :D
[06:14] <pinS> video habit
[06:14] <odie5533> I noticed skipping... thats what I hate
[06:14] <pinS> but its cool
[06:14] <calc> caffinated: its been roughly 16yr since i saw it so i don't really recall what it looked like
[06:14] <odie5533> it drives me crazy, skipping
[06:14] <kevman> nis, I'd abandon Linux first.
[06:14] <odie5533> I actually rebootted to windows to watch a DVD before :D
[06:14] <pinS> lol
[06:14] <caffinated> calc: i know the feeling.  i used  lot of different boxes over the years.  i can't even remember the system commands for a lot of them anymore ;)
[06:15] <odie5533> pinS: so will deinterlacing show or remove motion lines?
[06:15] <calc> caffinated: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=76 <- that was the first computer i used
[06:15] <pinS> removes them
[06:15] <odie5533> pinS: press the letter [
[06:15] <pinS> its sort like progressiveness
[06:15] <odie5533> [I]
[06:15] <odie5533> it will deinterlace if you press i
[06:15] <pinS> ah
[06:15] <caffinated> calc: heh, i kinda skipped the whole atari scene with the exception of the 2600, which can't really be considered a computer in the same respect.
[06:15] <calc> yea
[06:15] <Jeezis> when installing files (like games) using 'apt-get install' how do i get shortcuts into the k menu
[06:16] <DarthFrog> caffinated:  BTW, your nick is misspelled.  It's spelled: caffeine. Your nick should be caffeinated.:-)
[06:16] <caffinated> DarthFrog: very observant.
[06:16] <calc> i went from a 400 -> 800xl -> 386sx16
[06:16] <caffinated> calc: during that whole time i was on my apple binge.  back when apple made good computers.
[06:17] <Jeezis> when installing files (like games) using 'apt-get install' how do i get shortcuts into the k menu?
[06:17] <calc> macs and ibms were a bit expensive back then so we just used the ataris heh
[06:17] <caffinated> i had a lot of fun with everything pre-mac.  when they dropped support for the ] [gs, i dropped support for apple.
[06:17] <calc> ah
[06:17] <poize> what package repos does ubuntul use by default? apt-get.org.... or?
[06:17] <caffinated> and never went back
[06:17] <caffinated> too bad, i miss my GS
[06:18] <DarthFrog> caffinated: I played with a 128k Mac when they first came out.  Seemed like a toy to me.
[06:18] <calc> i came pretty close to getting a IIgs in 86
[06:18] <caffinated> DarthFrog: they still are imo ;)
[06:18] <DarthFrog> caffinated: Not with OS X.  Not anymore.
[06:18] <calc> i guess it was just too expensive for my parents to afford
[06:18] <caffinated> DarthFrog: still a toy to me.  an expensive toy.
[06:19] <odie5533> Does anyone know if there are any "good" 3d games for linux?
[06:19] <caffinated> my problem isn't really with the hardware though, as much as it is with steve jobs.
[06:19] <HillTop> calc, My first computer was http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=191&st=1   Commodore Pet.  Actually did useful computations on it back in '77 or so.
[06:19] <odie5533> or are they non-existant?
[06:19] <pinS> odie5533, where's the little control bar? i lost it
[06:19] <odie5533> pinS: [G]
[06:19] <calc> odie5533: UT, quake, etc
[06:19] <DarthFrog> odie5533: as in linux only?
[06:19] <pinS> what you memorize all
[06:19] <odie5533> Yes, Linux only
[06:19] <calc> HillTop: heh thats a bit before my time
[06:19] <DarthFrog> odie5533: www.tuxgames.org
[06:19] <caffinated> gltron$#@!
[06:20] <odie5533> cant find =/
[06:20] <caffinated> how can you not love gltron? ;)
[06:20] <HillTop> calc, OK  :)
[06:20] <poize> what package repos does ubuntul use by default? apt-get.org.... or? <-- ?
[06:20] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Make that: http://www.linuxgames.com/  instead. :-)
[06:20] <caffinated> woot, it's in the hoary repositories
[06:20] <kevman> I'm rebooting, lets see what happens
[06:21] <DarthFrog> odie5533: And www.tuxgames.com not .org   My bad.
[06:21] <Fackamato> how do I create my own initrd image?
[06:21] <caffinated> odie5533: you're going to find rapidly though, that linux games, especially the OSS ones, are 99% crap.
[06:21] <calc> i would have loved to have had an amiga back when they came out, but they cost even more than the IIgs
[06:21] <Fackamato> for use with grub and my newly configured kenrel
[06:21] <DarthFrog> Fackamato:  man mkinitrd
[06:22] <odie5533> :(
[06:22] <caffinated> odie5533: unfortunatly, making quality games still kinda revolve around a paycheck
[06:22] <Jeezis> after install packages using apt-get do you have to reboot before you can use them?
[06:22] <DarthFrog> Jeezis: No.
[06:22] <jdub> Jeezis: no
[06:22] <nis> Jeezis: rarely.
[06:22] <odie5533> ah I'll stick with runescape ;D 100k players on 24/7 almost
[06:23] <DarthFrog> Jeezis: The only time you really have to reboot linux is to change either your kernel or your hardware.  And sometimes not even then (PCMCIA). :-)
[06:23] <Jeezis> ok, thanks...then how do i figure out where the hell they are installed too? :-p
[06:23] <jdub> Jeezis: what did you install?
[06:23] <kevman> Or when you go from ipv6 to ipv4
[06:23] <Jeezis> some games
[06:23] <nis> Jeezis: which <program>
[06:24] <Jeezis> nethack, prboom, pingus
[06:24] <DarthFrog> kevman: Not even then.
[06:24] <jdub> Jeezis: you should be able to type all of those names in at the command line, and they will work
[06:24] <regeya> odie5533: some would argue that "good game" and "3d" rarely go together, but that's rare
[06:24] <Jeezis> ah, ok
[06:24] <caffinated> oops, xcompmngr doesn't like opengl heh
[06:24] <kevman> OK, now I don't have an IP at all
[06:25] <odie5533> I disagree, for me if a game is not 3d or a classic, it is not worth playing
[06:25] <caffinated> X went down for the count over that
[06:25] <Jeezis> but lets say i wanted to place shortcuts to them on my desktop?
[06:25] <kevman> Now what>
[06:25] <nis> Jeezis: you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<program>.list too.
[06:25] <Jeezis> ah, ok :-p
[06:25] <jdub> caffinated: COMPOSITE and glx don't work together atm
[06:25] <daniels> jdub: well, they sort of do on nvidia
[06:25] <regeya> odie5533: just to throw my own two bits in well after the fact:  at this point, I'd suggest dual-booting windows, or sticking with a game console.  linux just isn't on the radar of most game companies.
[06:25] <jdub> Jeezis: dpkg -L <package>
[06:25] <pinS> kevman, is your card active in network-admin
[06:25] <caffinated> jdub: heh, i think i just figured that out when everything exploded ;)
[06:25] <jdub> daniels: since a month ago?
[06:25] <daniels> jdub: since 1.0.6629
[06:25] <daniels> which is in hoary
[06:26] <kevman> pinS, yes
[06:26] <Jeezis> jdub: many thanks
[06:26] <Fackamato> can I create an initrd for a kernel which is not currently running?
[06:26] <jdub> daniels: you're going to make me test this, aren't you?
[06:26] <daniels> jdub: eh, you can if you want.  closed drivers are all the same to me.
[06:26] <daniels> jdub: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" off the top of my head
[06:27] <jdub> daniels: aha, extra option :)
[06:27] <nis> jdub: yours is better. ;)
[06:27] <caffinated> daniels: i have that, it didn't work very well heh
[06:27] <jdub> daniels: likelihood of COMPOSITE being useful in general for breezy?
[06:27] <DarthFrog> Fackamato: Yes.   Or you talking WINE?
[06:32] <caffinated> odie5533: it's not really worth playing online anymore - too many people cheat.  but it's still widely played.
[06:32] <caffinated> kevman: wine will play it
[06:32] <DarthFrog> kevman: Starcraft runs under wine.
[06:32] <odie5533> yeah I cheated once, but it didnt matter, I was so horrible I still lost ;D
[06:32] <pinPoint> odie5533: will xine play xvid's
[06:33] <geneo93> you want your ip addy
[06:33] <pinPoint> heh
[06:33] <linux_galore> wonder if starcraft has been ported to Linux
[06:33] <odie5533> pinPoint: yes
[06:33] <DarthFrog> linux_galore: No.
[06:33] <kevman> Oh, I'd try it, but apt WON'T WORK
[06:33] <pinPoint> odie5533: drag and drop
[06:33] <odie5533> ?
[06:33] <pinPoint> the file into xine
[06:33] <odie5533> yes
[06:33] <linux_galore> DarthFrog: let me look on liberated games
[06:33] <kevman> No DHCP offers recieved
[06:34] <kevman> Does this work with your everyday DHCP?
[06:34] <linux_galore> nice list of games that have been liberated and many work native on Linux -> http://www.liberatedgames.com/gamelisting.php
[06:35] <DarthFrog> kevman: Ubuntu works just fine with DHCP.
[06:35] <geneo93> yes
[06:35] <kevman> Eeee! Four distros, four major problems. :-/
[06:35] <kevman> Linux is not for me.
[06:36] <linux_galore> kevman: get the comercial version of mandrake or suse...... maybe some of your hardware needs binary only drivers
[06:36] <kevman> Bwahaha
[06:37] <kevman> No, and besides KNOPPIX is happy to work with my network
[06:37] <nis> Seems to me Mac-On-Linux also uses DHCP over a tunnel interface.
[06:37] <DarthFrog> kevman: Then use Knoppix?
[06:37] <linux_galore> kevman: knoppix has many none GPL drivers
[06:37] <Fackamato> that didn't go so well
[06:37] <Fackamato> said my kernel was an invalid executable format
[06:37] <Fackamato> :O
[06:37] <kevman> Well, it hsa other problems.
[06:38] <linux_galore> Fackamato: heh heh like my boot it said  it cant find the cdrom IDE device...lol it just booted from it
[06:38] <nis> kevman: Linux wants a bit of massaging.
[06:38] <kevman> Then why bother?
[06:39] <linux_galore> kevman: even windows doesnt give full support....most people never do a true raw on random hardware install
[06:39] <nis> kevman: no one knows, but we all do it.
[06:39] <kevman> Magically, Windows supports all my hardware and my school's fucked up network...
[06:40] <linux_galore> kevman: yes from an OEM install disk.........thats not a true install thats an image
[06:40] <nis> so run windows.
[06:40] <kevman> Lookit that! All of a sudden, I AM
[06:40] <kevman> I'm sorry, I'm just a little annoyed.
[06:40] <kevman> And holy shit, its 12:40. time for bed.
[06:41] <nis> it was the holy penguin pee
[06:41] <Sarah> hi guys
[06:41] <DarthFrog> nis: it always is.
[06:41] <Fackamato> brb rebppt agaom
[06:41] <nis> or for Art Bell at 0100 ;)
[06:41] <pinPoint> how do i remove a module from bootup
[06:41] <pinPoint> fglrx failed mercilessly
[06:42] <Sarah> my kernel-headers when i got them from synaptic is 2.6.10-5
[06:42] <Sarah> but my installed kernel is 2.6.10-4
[06:42] <pinPoint> sound! for my xine!
[06:42] <Sarah> i can't find a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel on ubuntus apt
[06:43] <DarthFrog> Sarah: have you done an update?
[06:43] <Sarah> i did apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade
[06:43] <Sarah> i mean update
[06:43] <nis> Sarah: they're probably fine.
[06:43] <Sarah> i am trying to compile ndiswrapper
[06:43] <DarthFrog> Sarah: Use Synaptic and search for it.
[06:44] <DarthFrog> Sarah: You don't have to.  Ndiswrapper is installed.
[06:44] <Sarah> oh?
[06:44] <Sarah> i did the ndiswrapper - i (the inf file of my wifi card)
[06:44] <pinPoint> yeah! it plays xvids too
[06:44] <Fackamato> same error :/(
[06:44] <Sarah> it loads fine
[06:44] <Fackamato> I have no idea what I'm doing wrong
[06:44] <pinPoint> awesomeness
[06:44] <pinPoint> my wireless nic works too
[06:45] <pinPoint> awesomeness!
[06:45] <Sarah> wlan0 shows up in my network config of available cards
[06:45] <DarthFrog> pinPoint is a happy camper.
[06:45] <_mojo> does ndiswrapper work on USB wireless adapters?
[06:45] <Sarah> but when i active it ,  it doesn't do anything
[06:45] <Sarah> i have to plug my ethernet cord in to get online
[06:45] <DarthFrog> _mojo: It should
[06:45] <pinPoint> ill stick around to help too. :)
[06:45] <Sarah> ubuntu does rock! i just miss my wifi :(
[06:46] <Sarah> ndiswrapper           109044  0
[06:46] <Sarah> usbcore               107384  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[06:46] <DarthFrog> Sarah: Do you have encryption turned on in the router?
[06:46] <Sarah> no
[06:46] <Sarah> its vanilla setup of the router
[06:47] <Sarah> no WEP or security at all
[06:47] <_mojo> its too bad wireless isnt supported well under linux.. itd be nice to see the chipset developers opensource some drivers
[06:47] <Sarah> how cna i see if the network card is even working with the driver?
[06:47] <DarthFrog> Sarah: And what happens when you issue the command "dhclient wlan0"?
[06:47] <Sarah> just sits here and does DHCPDISCOVER's
[06:48] <Sarah> whats all this sit0 weirdness?
[06:48] <_mojo> does your adapter show activity?
[06:48] <DarthFrog> _mojo: Wireless is supported quite well under Linux.  However, some of the manufacturers don't provide appropriate information for Linux to support their hardware.  But wireless itself is well supported.
[06:48] <Sarah> how can i tell if it "shows activity"
[06:49] <_mojo> link leds.. transmit leds
[06:49] <Sarah> its an adapter inside my Dell
[06:49] <Sarah> laptop
[06:49] <Sarah> no leds
[06:50] <geneo93> can you ping your router
[06:50] <geneo93> without the lancable
[06:50] <Sarah> well i am on eth0 right now
[06:50] <_mojo> not if theres no dhcp response
[06:50] <Sarah> my wlan0 doens't get a dhcp response
[06:51] <Sarah> how can i tell if its talking on my SSID
[06:51] <_mojo> you could try a tcpdump on the wlan0 interface
[06:51] <_mojo> doesnt sound like anything is actually going out though
[06:51] <Zyan> Sarah: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' show anything?
[06:52] <Sarah> no scan results
[06:52] <_mojo> what card is it?
[06:52] <Sarah> broadcom
[06:52] <_mojo> model?
[06:52] <Sarah> its inside my D600
[06:52] <Sarah> umm
[06:53] <Zyan> Sarah: ndiswrapper loaded and see card info in dmesg?
[06:53] <_mojo> oh thats an intel chipset then
[06:53] <Sarah> BCM4306
[06:53] <Sarah> mojo, no,  thats the "newer" d600's
[06:53] <_mojo> oh
[06:53] <geneo93> thats a lappy right
[06:53] <Sarah> the older ones have BCM
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[06:54] <sean_> hi all too
[06:55] <_mojo> Sarah: have you run through the wiki on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php
[06:55] <madstop> Sarah, this page has advice on Dell D600 that might help:
[06:55] <madstop> http://www.shahidhussain.com/wordpress/index.php?p=30#more-30
[06:55] <Sarah> madstop, that has the newer intel card
[06:56] <Sarah> _mojo, just a sec
[06:56] <_mojo> its got the BCM4306 listed
[06:56] <Zyan> I'm having a similar problem with ndiswrapper.. I have to modprobe -r ndiswrapper everytime I reboot or do a config change
[06:56] <Zyan> thats only with Hoary
[06:56] <nis> anyone happen to know what driver a netgear FA310TX nic uses?
[06:57] <_mojo> Sarah: they recommend using the dell provided drivers
[06:57] <Sarah> whats modprobe -r do ?
[06:57] <madstop> Sarah, it's not this card then?  Intel Wireless 2100 3A
[06:57] <helio7> to export mp3 from Audacity it's asking for the path to libmp3lame.so but I don't know where it is if I have it... I ran sudo apt-get lame but that didn't install the lib files any thoughts?
[06:57] <Sarah> madstop, no
[06:58] <Zyan> Sarah: modprobe -r.. removes the module, I run modprobe ndiswrapper again and it works fine
[06:58] <Sarah> crap, i think i just messed up something
[06:58] <Sarah> brb guys gotta kick it
[06:59] <helio7> what's the command to search apt-get?  sudo apt-get search ?
[06:59] <jdub> helio7: apt-cache search ...
[07:00] <_mojo> nis: DEC21x4x tulip
[07:01] <nis> _mojo: thanks!
[07:05] <cyklus> I'm using an IBM T40 and having trouble with battery life... ever since i installed Ubuntu my battery is drained extremely fast... anyone have any suggestions of what might be wrong?
[07:06] <KarlosII> rotflol
[07:06] <nis> jdub: That apt-cache is neat.  Never really worked with it before. tnx.
[07:07] <sean_> i have ubuntu on my AMD64 lappy and battery life is short as well
[07:07] <cyklus> sean_: its weird wasnt when i had debian... only since i installed ubuntu
[07:08] <KarlosII> sean_, short?
[07:08] <sean_> 30 min
[07:08] <cyklus> KarlosII: as in half normal battery life
[07:08] <cyklus> yeah
[07:09] <sean_> if i am lucky, nothing taxing  running
[07:09] <linux_galore> sounds like the hardisk isnt powering down on some machines
[07:09] <cyklus> my hardisk is powering down...
[07:09] <cyklus> as far as i can tell
[07:09] <sean_> mine too
[07:09] <linux_galore> to use more power something must be running more
[07:10] <caffinated> either that or the CPU isn't scaling properly
[07:10] <cyklus> my cpu is scalling to 600mhz
[07:10] <cyklus> so that should be working too
[07:10] <cyklus> 600-1500mhz
[07:10] <caffinated> or you just have a messed up battery ;)
[07:10] <linux_galore> yeah I compiled my kernel again too with a few options turned on for power management
[07:10] <sean_> mine will not scale down
[07:11] <linux_galore> sean_: compile your own kernel
[07:11] <sean_> will do
[07:11] <cyklus> Xorg is what is taking most
[07:11] <cyklus> and battery is ok.. works fine in windows (which i try never to boot.. heh)
[07:11] <linux_galore> sean_: read up on your cpu see what the preferred options are in the kernel
[07:12] <|QuaD-> i found unofficial ubuntu packages at http://schurger.org/debian/ for beagle, anyone tried them?
[07:12] <linux_galore> yeayh xorg is a cpu hog
[07:12] <cyklus> is there any good guide for compiling your own kernel in ubuntu?
[07:12] <sean_> thanks galore
[07:13] <gardio1> I find that my mouse sometimes freezes during startup
[07:13] <gardio1> any ideas?
[07:14] <sean_> it wants cheese
[07:14] <linux_galore> http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html
[07:14] <sean_> jk
[07:16] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[07:16] <nis> gardio1: disable gdm/xdm/kdm in /etc/rc2.d/
[07:17] <Roey> crimsun:  it didn't work; I did the following command:  "mkrdinit -o /boot/rdinit.img-<IP_ADDRESS>   <IP_ADDRESS>; grub-update".  That worked.  When I selected this new kernel from he GRUB menu I get this:
[07:17] <gardio1> nis: I've got gdm started.  how does disabling gdm help?  I'm happy to do that.
[07:17] <cyklus> linux_galore: thanks
[07:18] <nis> gardio1: it's a longshot, but I found xdm had mouse problems one one very old machine.
[07:18] <gardio1> I've disabled it.  Can you start X before gdm?
[07:18] <nis> gardio1: if startx works but xdm/kdm/gdm hangs, that's a starting pt
[07:19] <nis> gardio1: login on the console and then 'startx' or 'startx > logfile 2>&1 &'
[07:19] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
[07:19] <Roey> that's the error I get.
[07:19] <Roey> crimsun:  there
[07:20] <crimsun> Roey: presuming you meant mkinitrd?
[07:20] <nis> gardio1: you may want to (re)start gpm too.
[07:20] <nis> (first)
[07:20] <Roey> right
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  right.
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  mkinitrd, yes.
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  actually, that's what happens normally with grub.
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  the error when I booted my custom kernel is:
[07:21] <esato> hallo
[07:21] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[07:22] <Roey> crimsun:  is that.
[07:22] <gardio1> nis: I'm going to install gpm.
[07:22] <esato> how can i get a complete sourcelist of ubuntu?
[07:23] <crimsun> esato: a what?
[07:23] <cyklus> i installed a package for debian ignoring dependencies (which it doesnt need) but now everytime i try to apt-get i get dependency errors... how do i remove these dependencies?
[07:23] <esato> a full version sources.list
[07:23] <crimsun> esato: do you mean http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ ?
[07:23] <nis> gardio1: some old HOWTO suggested also reordering /etc/rc2.d/ so that gpm loads before other things competing for interrupts (notably soundblaster cards).
[07:23] <crimsun> esato: your sources.list already contains "full repositories"
[07:24] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[07:24] <linux_galore> just realised no one has done a Ubuntu kernel building howto
[07:24] <linux_galore> lots of debian stuff
[07:24] <esato> but i uncomment it ,and i get some time out errors.
[07:24] <nis> cyklus: you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/status (or available etc) by hand.
[07:24] <cyklus> linux_galore: what kernel source do i get? doesnt seem to be a unbuntu one?
[07:24] <cyklus> nis: thanks
[07:25] <Sarah> it works! :)
[07:25] <Sarah> thanks guys
[07:25] <nis> cyklus: welcome.
[07:25] <Sarah> i am wireless now
[07:25] <Sarah> :)
[07:25] <crimsun> esato: what sort of timeouts?
[07:25] <linux_galore> cyklus: there should be a kernel sources package
[07:25] <Sarah> Dell had "newer" drivers out on their site
[07:25] <esato> connection
[07:25] <Sarah> but i still have to modprobe -r everytime
[07:25] <crimsun> Roey: have you tried the default array-7 amd64 generic kernel?
[07:25] <Sarah> why does that happen?
[07:26] <cyklus> nis: worked like a charm, thanks
[07:26] <esato> for example,i connect to a url in my sources.list ,and it takes much time in connecting.
[07:26] <Zyan> sarah: I dunno.. never had to do that before. Only thing I have found that works on Hoary
[07:26] <nis> cyklus: neat.
[07:26] <linux_galore> does ubuntu have /etc/modprobe.preload
[07:26] <cyklus> linux_galore: the newest is 2.6.9, but my kernel is currently 2.9.10
[07:26] <nis> Sarah: make a boot script to handle that modprobe -r. ;)
[07:26] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth net access? I use it with OS X but don't know how to configure it on Hoary
[07:26] <jnc> i wish metacity wasn't so retarded
[07:26] <Sarah> well now that everything works... what should i do now? lol
[07:26] <jnc> it's the only thing i notice when working on ubuntu desktop
[07:26] <linux_galore> cyklus: not good
[07:27] <crimsun> jnc: hmm? What's broken with it?
[07:27] <jnc> it's not broken per-say
[07:27] <maxchee> does anyone know how to edit raw partitions using a hex editing tool?
[07:27] <Amaranth> ok, no more ubuntu-users list for me
[07:27] <jnc> there are some features i miss dearly that are in WindowMaker
[07:27] <cyklus> linux_galore: hmm any suggestions?
[07:27] <crimsun> Amaranth: the deluge has claimed you, eh/
[07:27] <Amaranth> those that help people there should be treated like gods
[07:27] <linux_galore> Sarah: usually I add the driver to  /etc/modprobe.preload
[07:28] <maxchee> or at least a way to view raw partitions
[07:28] <linux_galore> cyklus: go to  www.kernel.org  start from scratch
[07:28] <cyklus> linux_galore: another q.. does ubuntu use a straight debian kernel or? ...the source says its debian patched... is there a ubuntu patched/configured kernel?
[07:28] <nis> maxchee: what about fdisk expert mode?
[07:28] <nis> (to view it)
[07:28] <cyklus> linux_galore: good idea.. where can i get the current ubuntu kernel configuration.. so i can work from that
[07:28] <crimsun> cyklus: ubuntu's is patched above and beyond debian's
[07:28] <esato> i got an error again.
[07:29] <jnc> i would think so, cyklus
[07:29] <crimsun> cyklus: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:29] <esato> Connection timed out.
[07:29] <jnc> my SATA optical burner works with ubuntu kernel
[07:29] <gardio1> nis: Thanks for the help.  Setting up gpm seemed to do the trick
[07:29] <cyklus> crimsun: ok so where is the patched source that they use?
[07:29] <jnc> it does not work with a custom vanilla kernel
[07:29] <crimsun> cyklus: linux-tree-2.6.10
[07:29] <gardio1> nis: I have it starting before alsa
[07:29] <cyklus> crimsun: found it :)
[07:29] <cyklus> crimsun: aha... so download that.. edit config and compile? ,,,any guide for that yet?>
[07:30] <nis> gardio1: neat.
[07:30] <linux_galore> yeah as i was saying there isnt a ubuntu kernel howto so people can build there own kernels and not break things
[07:30] <Amaranth> jnc: so don't use the vanilla kernel :P
[07:31] <jnc> :)
[07:31] <jnc> i got it to read an iso9660 fs once on a debian box
[07:31] <jnc> more than that, it was not working so well
[07:31] <crimsun> cyklus: no, in that case you want to sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r) && sudo apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[07:31] <jnc> today i used it with ubuntu and burned an iso9660 disc!
[07:31] <ahijah> ...
[07:31] <Echylo> yea
[07:31] <Echylo> ...
[07:32] <Echylo> want cookie?
[07:32] <ahijah> yes please
[07:32] <ahijah> ;P
[07:32] <cyklus> crimsun: what will that do?
[07:32] <Echylo> :p
[07:33] <Amaranth> *chomp*
[07:33] <Amaranth> oh, sorry, that might have been your hand
[07:33] <Echylo> just a flesh-wound
[07:33] <Echylo> oh this not #python
[07:33] <Echylo> :p
[07:34] <saber> i'm having trouble getting postfix running. does ubuntu do anything to block connections from a machine on a private network?
[07:34] <saber> (when its it is in the same private network)
[07:34] <Amaranth> afaik ubuntu only allows connects from localhost
[07:35] <ahijah> ... ok now for the question i want to ask.... what file to i patch to update drivers?
[07:35] <crimsun> cyklus: that actually gives you the infrastructure to easily create a customized kernel
[07:35] <saber> amaranth, how can you change which incoming connections are allowed?
[07:35] <Amaranth> saber: dunno, i don't touch postfix :P
[07:35] <cyklus> crimsun: ic... what do i need to do from there to compile and install the kernel?
[07:36] <crimsun> cyklus: nothing once you've run those commands.
[07:36] <saber> well, lets consider the case where postfix is not running. how to i open up port X?
[07:36] <crimsun> cyklus: you can modify the kernel config and run debian/rules
[07:36] <gardio1> Hey anyone got mplayer firefox plugin to work without shutting of the sound?
[07:36] <cyklus> crimsun: ic.. thanks
[07:38] <maxchee> does anyone have experience with wine?
[07:39] <jdub> saber: see /etc/postfix/master.cf
[07:39] <Echylo> the only experience I have is typing "wine setup.exe"
[07:40] <maxchee> does anyone know how to set up a global fake windows drive?
[07:40] <saber> ok, jdbug
[07:40] <Echylo> doesn't wine does that auto.
[07:40] <Echylo> in /home/username/.wine/fake_windows ?
[07:40] <saber> ah perfect.. i've been digging around main.cf options
[07:40] <maxchee> Echylo: nope, it's in you directory
[07:41] <nis> maxchee: sounds like a job for the New York Times /bad joke
[07:41] <Echylo> glad you putted /bad joke
[07:41] <Echylo> ;)
[07:41] <maxchee> Echylo: which means it would be a pain to have multiple users
[07:41] <Echylo> hmm ok
[07:42] <maxchee> Echylo, basically, I need to install it in something like /usr
[07:42] <Echylo> I see
[07:42] <Echylo> can't help you with that sorry :)
[07:43] <maxchee> that's alright
[07:43] <gankzor> ok whenever I try to run any program that requires root it prompts for a password, I put in the root password but it rejects it
[07:44] <maxchee> gankzor, ubuntu does have root account by default
[07:44] <maxchee> sorry, it doesn't
[07:44] <maxchee> gankzor, did you use passwd -s?
[07:45] <gankzor> I can su in a regular terminal and type in my root password and login to root
[07:45] <KarlosII> :> applications/system & tools/root terminal works
[07:45] <KarlosII> :)
[07:45] <KarlosII> menu
[07:45] <gankzor> no, no it doesnt that is the problem
[07:45] <hypa7ia> quick question boys and girls, camorama can see my pwc webcam but gnomemeeting errors on trying to open  /dev/video0 .  any ideas?
[07:46] <maxchee> gankzor, that graphical prompt is gksudo
[07:46] <maxchee> gankzor: enter your own passwd
[07:46] <KarlosII> use menu item /applications/system & tools/root terminal works
[07:46] <KarlosII> gankzor, :)
[07:47] <gankzor> that is backasswards, why would it ask for my user acct password to open the root terminal
[07:47] <maxchee> gankzor: sudo?
[07:47] <maxchee> gankzor: at least it's safer than a root account
[07:47] <gankzor> true
[07:47] <KarlosII> :/
[07:47] <gankzor> it just threw me off :) thanks for the help
[07:48] <hypa7ia> gankzor: because otherwise i could walk up to your computer and open a root terminal and leave nasty cron jobs that reboot your machine every hour :-p
[07:48] <maxchee> gankzor: just use the run as utility/root terminal if you need to run as root
[07:48] <KarlosII> it threw me for a loop, spent 5 mins figureing out how to access root
[07:48] <KarlosII> :>
[07:48] <gankzor> yea thanks maxchee I got it now
[07:48] <hypa7ia> heheh, i think i was on here when i first ran into it, back in october :-)
[07:48] <waxhead> hi everyone
[07:49] <jdub> gankzor: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[07:49] <maxchee> does hoary have a boot splash?
[07:50] <KarlosII> of course
[07:50] <jdub> gankzor: using a *normal* terminal, type sudo -i
[07:50] <jdub> maxchee: no
[07:50] <gankzor> right now I have a 2 headed display set up, is there a multi monitor setting that I can just have my second monitor a blank desktop that I can drag other windows to
[07:50] <odie5533> I installed kubuntu, anyway to delete all that stuff? Kubuntu = worst mistake
[07:50] <hypa7ia> maxchee: not as of my last reboot
[07:50] <waxhead> what's happening with "general" support of webcams for hoary?
[07:50] <jdub> gankzor: yes, but atm, you need you need to tweak xorg.conf
[07:50] <maxchee> thx, I thought there was something wrong with my machine. since usplash was so hyped
[07:51] <maxchee> jdub: is it not planned for hoary?
[07:51] <hypa7ia> odie5533: use synaptic and do a "complete removal", not sure what the metapackage is called, is it just kde?
[07:51] <jdub> maxchee: didn't make it
[07:51] <waxhead> I made the mistake of just buying a logitech camera...
[07:51] <tabmoW> anyone using the hoary preview ?
[07:51] <maxchee> tabmoW: yes
[07:51] <waxhead> any date set for the release of hoary?
[07:51] <tabmoW> maxchee: how is it?
[07:51] <fabbione> waxhead: hmmm why?
[07:51] <hypa7ia> waxhead: there's a new PWC driver in the kernel, it's what i'm working on getting working right now :-)
[07:51] <maxchee> tabmoW: great!
[07:51] <odie5533> I did a plain removal, it wont let me do a complete removal now....
[07:52] <jdub> odie5533: sudo apt-get remove --purge libqt3c102-mt
[07:52] <waxhead> hypa7ia, is there?
[07:52] <maxchee> tabmoW: just make sure you can live with no menu editing
[07:52] <tabmoW> maxchee: cool - downloading the kubuntu hoary preview now ;oP
[07:52] <jdub> odie5533: read the list to make sure it's not removing stuff you want
[07:52] <hypa7ia> works /great/ with camorama, but appears that gnomemeeting is kinda broken
[07:52] <waxhead> I'm still on warty, and just did an upgrade of all packages, the kernel included...
[07:52] <hypa7ia> waxhead: yup!  have you installed camorama?
[07:52] <gankzor> jdub what needs to be set differently in xorg.conf?
[07:52] <odie5533> read what list?
[07:52] <tabmoW> maxchee: i am going to install it ;oP
[07:52] <hypa7ia> waxhead: should be there then
[07:52] <jdub> gankzor: lots of stuff, best to find a guide via google
[07:52] <waxhead> hypa7ia, no... I'll just do it...
[07:53] <maxchee> tabmoW: kubuntu is also very nice.
[07:53] <jdub> odie5533: when you type in that command and press enter, you'll see a list.
[07:53] <hypa7ia> grr arrgh.  i think gnomemeeting may just not work with my cam at the moment. alas :-/
[07:53] <odie5533> If there is something I want? :D
[07:53] <maxchee> tabmoW: although I tried it, I find a fresh install of kubuntu would be less messy
[07:53] <tabmoW> yer
[07:53] <odie5533> K3B... only cd burning software I could fine =/
[07:54] <KarlosII> the best
[07:54] <maxchee> odie5533: haven't tried gnomebaker?
[07:54] <waxhead> hypa7ia, I'll have to reboot though... is the module enabled, or will I have to add it to modules.conf?
[07:54] <odie5533> nope, never heard of it
[07:54] <jdub> odie5533: that's easy enough to add back (and it'll be in your cache)
[07:54] <KarlosII> nerolinux is not very good I hear but I have yet to try it to see if the rumours are true
[07:54] <hypa7ia> waxhead: pwc should load when you plug the cam in
[07:55] <gankzor> I screwed up xorg earlier so it disable my graphical logon, how do I re enable it?
[07:55] <maxchee> I am stilling waiting for rhythmbox to adding burning support
[07:55] <ells> has anyone got dvdshrink to work in wine
[07:55] <mass> gankzor: how did you disable it?
[07:55] <hypa7ia> waxhead: does the light go on when you plug it in?
[07:55] <gankzor> xorg disabled it when I had the settings screwed up
[07:55] <maxchee> ells: did you use the wine repository?
[07:55] <gankzor> actually I haven't rebooted since I fixed xorg so it might work
[07:55] <ells> maxchee, what ya mean
[07:55] <mass> try (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:56] <maxchee> ells: go to www.winehq.org
[07:56] <gankzor> mass: thanks
[07:56] <ells> maxchee, i cannot get dvdshrink to work properly
[07:56] <maxchee> ells: that's because you are not using the latest version of wine
[07:56] <ells> maxchee, okay
[07:56] <maxchee> ells: which is released very frequently
[07:56] <ells> maxchee, can you give me the entire source name
[07:56] <waxhead> hypa7ia, ahh... no /dev/vedeo0
[07:56] <waxhead> hypa7ia, /dev/video0 even
[07:56] <waxhead> what abotu getting an ATI card up and running on warty?  any pointers...
[07:56] <odie5533> What does --purge do, the documentation on it is rather... it makes no sense
[07:56] <hypa7ia> waxhead: what program is telling you that?
[07:57] <waxhead> camorama
[07:57] <hypa7ia> really? weird, yeah, give it a reboot then :-)
[07:57] <maxchee> ells: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[07:57] <maxchee> ells: deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[07:57] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth / mac on linux?
[07:57] <waxhead> hypa7ia, light?
[07:57] <ells> maxchee, thanks
[07:57] <ells> maxchee, are you using dvdshrink
[07:57] <hypa7ia> waxhead: on the cam
[07:57] <waxhead> hypa7ia, it's a quick cam express....
[07:58] <KarlosII> odie5533, it purges all configuration files in your home dir for that program
[07:58] <waxhead> hypa7ia, no light... lsusb sees it though: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:0920 Logitech, Inc.
[07:58] <maxchee> ells: nope, but wine evolves very quickly
[07:58] <hypa7ia> oh yeah, might not have one... the record light on my QC for notebooks blinks when i plugit in :-)
[07:58] <odie5533> if I dont --purge when uninstalling something is that bad?
[07:58] <maxchee> ells: if it doesn't work. Try vmware
[07:58] <hypa7ia> folks, should i be filing the pwc gnomemeeting bug on our bugzilla or the gnomemeeting one?
[07:58] <waxhead> hypa7ia, so I don't have to enable any modules before I reboot
[07:58] <ells> maxchee, really,
[07:58] <ells> maxchee, where can one get vmware
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: you can get a trial version from vmware.com
[07:59] <odie5533> Can I get a list of removed packages that have not been purged?
[07:59] <KarlosII> odie5533, nope....just leaves the configuration files there and if you reinstall u don't have to setup again sometimes
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: it's rather messy though
[07:59] <ells> maxchee, what all does it do
[07:59] <odie5533> many packages I didn't purge I will never use again....
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: allowing you to run windows on linux
[07:59] <hypa7ia> waxhead: pwc maybe?
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: at around 80% the speed
[07:59] <ells> maxchee, okay
[07:59] <KarlosII> ells, doesn't have directx video support
[07:59] <hypa7ia> waxhead: not sure tho, i just plug it in and it works :-/
[08:00] <waxhead> hypa7ia, hahaha... ok then
[08:00] <waxhead> not the case here... I'll try rebooting and see what happens.
[08:00] <sabmoc> maxchee, hey, hows it hanging?
[08:00] <KarlosII> ells, if you need to use windows apps, then use crossover office
[08:01] <Echylo> gtg school time!
[08:01] <sabmoc> maxchee, remember me?
[08:01] <maxchee> jdub: how come switching to the human theme does not switch to the corresponding cursor theme?
[08:01] <ells> KarlosII this is true, but 1. it wont work in Hoary properly 2. dvdshrink wont work properly, ASPI error or something on the dvd
[08:01] <maxchee> sabmoc: from yesterday
[08:01] <maxchee> sabmoc: the wiki?
[08:01] <sabmoc> yes
[08:01] <sabmoc> maxchee, use gcursor
[08:02] <maxchee> sabmoc: I know, but I kind of expected that to be automatic
[08:02] <sabmoc> they call it 'human' cursor theme but its really just jimmac's cursor theme, I hope someone asked him if its ok to change the name.
[08:02] <maxchee> sabmoc: Or else they should add a tab to the mosue panel.
[08:02] <sabmoc> maxchee, yeah well I didnt know about gcursor, i just installed it manually and found out after the fact
[08:03] <maxchee> sabmoc: I thought it was the official cursor because it was the default one on the warty preview live cd
[08:03] <sabmoc> maxchee, thats a pretty good idea, I bet thats what is already being planned by the gnome team
[08:03] <sabmoc> no, its not packaged with xorg
[08:04] <sabmoc> the glass cursors are packaged, but I dont really like them
[08:05] <sabmoc> maxchee, did you see the CanadianTeam wiki yet?
[08:05] <maxchee> sabmoc: actually, I think you can change the cursor theme in the theme config dialogue
[08:05] <maxchee> sabmoc: address?
[08:05] <sabmoc> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[08:05] <DemisM> can someone give me the ubuntu repositories list?
[08:06] <sabmoc> maxchee, the config dialogue of what?
[08:08] <maxchee> sabmoc: System/Pref/Theme, then click on Theme details. I am glad that the gnome team didn't leave this out.
[08:08] <quar> How can i get hoary to play DVD's what packages do i need?
[08:08] <maxchee> sabmoc: so no, gcursor is not completely necessary
[08:09] <bob2> quar: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:09] <bob2> pretty sure that's in the FAQ
[08:09] <maxchee> sabmoc: btw, very nice page. Hopefully you can get some CAnadian stuff on there.
[08:09] <hypa7ia> there's a canadian team? sign me up!
[08:09] <hypa7ia> already ran into someone from the local 2600 crew in here completely randomly :-)
[08:10] <sabmoc> maxchee, im not sure what you mean, system/pref/theme/details is just for nautilus and other app icons, not xcursor icon.
[08:10] <sabmoc> hypa7ia, sign yourself up :)
[08:10] <sabmoc> hypa7ia, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[08:10] <quar> whats the full APT line that needs to be added for malliant?
[08:11] <hypa7ia> methinks i will :-)
[08:11] <hypa7ia> do you guys need hosting for ubuntu-ca.org?
[08:11] <Jeezis> apt-get install blobwars
[08:11] <sabmoc> Jeezis, yeah I got adicted to that for like a month
[08:11] <maxchee> sabmoc: the .icons folder?
[08:12] <maxchee> sabmoc: isn't that the cursor folder?
[08:12] <ells> maxchee, no dice, it still would not work properly
[08:12] <sabmoc> maxchee, I think thats for desktop icons, does it work for the xcursor as well?
[08:12] <ells> does anyone know of another way to compress video
[08:12] <maxchee> sabmoc: well the folder is right
[08:13] <DemisM> hmm, I have a question if I have debian net-install which is the minimal install and then i have to net install through apt, if I add only the ubuntu repositories will I pretty much have ubuntu?
[08:13] <maxchee> ells: do you have to use dvdshrink
[08:13] <ells> maxchee, hopefully not
[08:13] <hypa7ia> yay i reported a bug :-)
[08:13] <maxchee> ells: debian-marillat has a lot of dvd backup utililties
[08:13] <gankzor> I have libmpeg3-1 installed, rhythm box still says it can't decode mp3 files though
[08:13] <ells> maxchee, I just need a way to shrink down video
[08:13] <ells> maxchee, yeap, got it, but it wont shrink video
[08:13] <maxchee> ells: transcoding to xvid?
[08:13] <ells> could try I suppose
[08:14] <difeta> is there a gnome UI that lets me change the colors of the currently selected theme?
[08:14] <sabmoc> maxchee, the folder is right, so you place the xcursor icon in there and it will find it after you edit the default cursor file?
[08:14] <ells> maxchee, but I wanted to copy a dvd ya know
[08:14] <New2ubuntu> I can't get tuxracer to work anymore
[08:14] <New2ubuntu> i downlaoded it
[08:14] <New2ubuntu> I installed it
[08:14] <gankzor> what else beside libmpeg3-1 do I need to install to play mp3 files?
[08:14] <maxchee> ells: I think marillat is just what you need
[08:15] <New2ubuntu> apt-get install says it is currently in the latest version
[08:15] <ells> maxchee, how so
[08:15] <New2ubuntu> but when i run the command tuxracer the thing doesn't open
[08:15] <maxchee> ells: go to doom9 forum. It will offer some help
[08:15] <maxchee> ells: libdcss
[08:15] <hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: try runnign it from the console?  see if you get any error messages
[08:15] <quar> Can someone give me a full source list for hoary?
[08:15] <maxchee> ells: also it seems mplayer can actually transcode
[08:15] <quar> plz
[08:15] <ells> maxchee, I can decode all day, I need to compress video
[08:15] <New2ubuntu> will do
[08:16] <sabmoc> quar, the source.list for apt you mean?
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> sorry in advance, don't shoot me Tux Racer 0.61 -- a Sunspire Studios Production (http://www.sunspirestudios.com)(c) 1999-2000 Jasmin F. Patry<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:16] <New2ubuntu> "Tux Racer" is a trademark of Jasmin F. Patry
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> Tux Racer comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for details.
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> *** tuxracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success)
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> (#flood is being wierd
[08:16] <hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: stopstop there's a better way :-)
[08:16] <quar> sabmoc,
[08:16] <quar> ya
[08:16] <hypa7ia> http://www.pastebin.com/
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:17] <maxchee> ells: okay it's called mencoder
[08:17] <maxchee> its usage is described on the mplayer man page
[08:17] <ells> maxchee, doesnt mencoder come with mplayer automatically
[08:17] <New2ubuntu> what does all that cra mean?
[08:17] <sabmoc> quar, join #flood and I will, but for stuff like that go to the website, read some docs
[08:17] <New2ubuntu> crap*
[08:17] <maxchee> ells: I believe so
[08:17] <quar> k im der
[08:17] <New2ubuntu> Ok I am in #flood as well
[08:18] <hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: means you need to get accelleration working on your vid card
[08:18] <ells> maxchee, I wonder if home players can divx dvds
[08:18] <hypa7ia> what card do you have?
[08:18] <New2ubuntu> I posted all the errors
[08:18] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:18] <maxchee> ells: they will be
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> I used synpaptic and got all the Nvidia glx stuff
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> then I restarded the system
[08:19] <ells> maxchee, I will have to try that then
[08:19] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, its not setup right
[08:19] <maxchee> ells: actually there are already standalone divx player
[08:19] <gankzor> I have libmpeg3-a installed, why can't I play mp3s?
[08:19] <odie5533> Is there any ok or good cd burning software that is for gnome?
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> sabmoc is there an ubuntu specific guide you could point me at?
[08:19] <maxchee> gankzor: you need gstreamer-mad
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> I googled it
[08:19] <hypa7ia> off to bed boys and girls, cheers to the canadians in the room (and everyone else too :-) )
[08:19] <ells> maxchee, well, I dont have one
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> and i found a some generic poorly written stuff in Linuxquestions.org
[08:20] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, uh
[08:20] <ells> maxchee, I will try to get this to work in my sony dvd player
[08:20] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, you mean you just installed all the nvidia stuff without actually reading a guide?
[08:20] <odie5533> apt-get install nvidiaglx
[08:20] <New2ubuntu> (looks around feeling like an idiote )  yes...
[08:21] <odie5533> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[08:21] <maxchee> ells: the best way we have right now is to use s-video output
[08:21] <odie5533> done
[08:21] <gankzor> maxchee: gstreamer-mad doesn't show up in my list of packs
[08:21] <New2ubuntu> sabmoc yeah I did, I feel like a moron, do you know where I could locate this guide you speek of?
[08:21] <ells> maxchee, if I have to, would rather get it to work the "right way"
[08:21] <Elysium_> is there a package equivilant to debian MScorefonts for ubuntu?
[08:22] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, heh, omg
[08:22] <DemisM> does anyone know what the list of ubuntu repositories are?
[08:22] <sabmoc> zmog!!
[08:22] <ells> maxchee, in windows crash x., I have dvd x copy, trying to quit cold turkey
[08:22] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, one sec dude
[08:22] <jdub> Elysium_: msttcorefonts, same package, in multiverse
[08:22] <New2ubuntu> the good news is all of the nvidia files are up to date
[08:22] <New2ubuntu> the bad news is they are not configured :(
[08:23] <Elysium_> jdub, thank you .. I haven't added multiverse yet
[08:23] <Elysium_> jdub, is it wise to do so?? are multiverse packages trustworthy?
[08:23] <quar> anyone know how to enable dma on a dvd rw drive in ubuntu>
[08:23] <quar> ?
[08:24] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[08:24] <jdub> Elysium_: they're roughly equivalent to contrib/non-free in debian
[08:24] <janc> multiverse is 'not supported' like universe, only not 100% free software
[08:24] <waxhead> re
[08:25] <quar> My dvd is all jumpy! why?
[08:25] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, thats for warty, but works fine for hoary
[08:25] <DemisM> I deleted the repositories list, can someone open there /etc/apt/sources.list and copy paste it to me in a pv msg or here?
[08:25] <Elysium_> excellent .. thanks
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> Found it
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> thanks :):)
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> Just did it
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> have to restart X
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> brb
[08:26] <janc> quar : you mean your DVD jumps around in your room?  ;)
[08:26] <janc> (or: tell the the channe lwhat's really going wrong...)
[08:27] <sabmoc> quar, thats what you get for pooring coffee in your dvd-player
[08:27] <sabmoc> gah s/pooring/pouring/;
[08:27] <sabmoc> gah!
[08:28] <sabmoc> hmmm phantompepsi
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> this is getting absurd
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> it worked
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> but now
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> when I type tuxracer I get bash: taxracer: command not found
[08:31] <New2ubuntu> which is stupid because apt-get says it already the latest version
[08:31] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, its not taxracer
[08:31] <thoreauputic> umm... was that a typo
[08:31] <New2ubuntu> tuxracer doesn't work either
[08:31] <New2ubuntu> sorry
[08:32] <kinema> is there a way to install hoary on a computer that is not capable of booting from a CD?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: what does the command  ` which tuxracer ` return?
[08:32] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, your going to make me install tuxracer arent you?
[08:32] <New2ubuntu> it worked
[08:32] <New2ubuntu> tuxracer worked when I used the terminal
[08:32] <quar> I think i need to enable DMA on my dvd-rw drive? anyone know how?
[08:32] <DemisM> does ubuntu have a net install through floppy?
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> but NOT in Konsole
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> wierd
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> I am not joking
[08:33] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, run glxgears from a gnome-terminal
[08:33] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: you mean you tried to start it in a tty ?
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> I am KDE
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> and it worked
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> I have tuxracer now
[08:33] <rapha> Hi all
[08:33] <kinema> quar:  take a look at hdparm
[08:33] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, then run glxgears from konsole, same thing
[08:33] <quar> ?
[08:33] <quar> kinema, ???
[08:34] <rapha> I've a strange behaviour in Hoary, which I didn't have in Warty and I think it might be a bug.
[08:34] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: your description of what actually happened is unclear...
[08:34] <janc> *fuck*
[08:34] <janc> monodevelop is useless  :-(
[08:34] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, do you really want to know?
[08:34] <kinema> quar: hdparm is the program used to set DMA and other modes
[08:34] <rapha> janc: How so?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: heh  - no I guess not ;)
[08:35] <sabmoc> kinema, dont! quar dont listen
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> thoreauputic  Simple, I typed Tuxracer into root konsole
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> and it said command not found
[08:35] <kinema> quar: read http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> I then when into run command
[08:35] <janc> rapha : crashes all the time  :-(
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> and typed tuxracer
[08:35] <quar> thx
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> and it worked
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> thats all I know
[08:35] <sabmoc> kinema, you dont ever need to fool around with hdparm
[08:35] <Maz> hi
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> but I have created a desktop link and it works
[08:35] <rapha> janc: Did you try installing Foresight Linux? Doesn't crash for me there.
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> that is what matters to me:)
[08:36] <New2ubuntu> Thanks for all the help getting the graphics drivers installed though
[08:36] <New2ubuntu> you guys are great :)
[08:36] <Maz> I am trying to change to a directory that has space on it, i.e. cd test 1
[08:36] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: you should never use the "root console" to run graphical applications
[08:36] <Maz> how do i do that?
[08:36] <sabmoc> kinema, thats basically just for tweak freaks who dont know better. I dont care what that document says.
[08:36] <rapha> About that bug... Warty and Hoary both detect my soundcard correctly (snd-via82cxx), but under Hoary the speakers remain silent. YES, the mixer IS unmuted and turned up.
[08:36] <kinema> is there any way to start a hoary install using a floppy?  one of my computers won't boot from a CD.
[08:36] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: but I think you might have misunderstood...
[08:36] <janc> rapha : this is #ubuntu, so I use Ubuntu...
[08:36] <sabmoc> kinema, did you check your bios?
[08:37] <rapha> janc: Sorry. Just a suggestion.
[08:37] <New2ubuntu> I will make sure I remember that
[08:37] <New2ubuntu> I will just use the run command for Graphical applications
[08:37] <rapha> janc: More meant for you to try out wether the problem is in the .deb
[08:37] <Maz> kinama: Check your boot sequence/priorities under bios
[08:37] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: using a non-root terminal is fine
[08:37] <kinema> sabmoc: yes.  the drives are attached to a PCI addon card and the bios refues to boot off it
[08:37] <janc> rapha : I just had to do some C# programming
[08:37] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:37] <rapha> janc: kay
[08:38] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: I don't think you are quite clear on what "root console" means ..?
[08:38] <janc> I've used SharpDevelop on WIndows before
[08:38] <New2ubuntu> its the console that lets me do what the other console denies permsission too right?
[08:38] <sabmoc> kinema, ok, well Im not sure about ubuntu have a floppy install, but I know debian does and I think there is a guide somewhere on the wiki for using the debian installer to install ubuntu, I could be wrong and I've never had to do it.
[08:38] <janc> which seems t obe a lot more mature...
[08:38] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: right
[08:38] <New2ubuntu> so I should only use it when I have to?
[08:38] <kinema> sabmoc: thanks.  i'll take alook
[08:39] <sabmoc> kinema, np
[08:39] <rapha> New2ubuntu: Problem is, it gives you LOTS of power
[08:39] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: and that privileged terminal should only be used for administration - not games or ordinary apps
[08:39] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:39] <rapha> janc: Well, MonoDevelop inherited from SharpDevelop, but is a lot younger
[08:39] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, omg, he was using a root terminal for launching games??
[08:39] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: else you risk breaking things at best
[08:40] <rapha> janc: Actually, what version do you have and when does it crash? Maybe I can try to reproduce it on my Foresight installation
[08:40] <janc> rapha : obviously...  :-/
[08:40] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: yep, but it didb't work of course
[08:40] <sabmoc> janc I know a lot of work has gone into MD but to be honest, I didnt find it so usable myself.
[08:40] <rapha> Isn't there somebody who has a clue to that sound problem?
[08:40] <New2ubuntu> gotcha, I will make sure not to use it for anything but administration
[08:40] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, no of course not, but if he loged in to a regular terminal and 'su' it would work. Lets not tell him.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: :)
[08:41] <sabmoc> janc I prefer emacs for serious programming
[08:41] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: let's not indeed :)
[08:41] <New2ubuntu> its just a different experience, i am not used to leveled security within a session
[08:42] <janc> rapha : hoary seems to have a v0.5.1-3
[08:42] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: that's OK - we're here to warn you and help :)
[08:42] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, you mean your not used to any security at all within a session :)
[08:42] <New2ubuntu> I am used to logging in as admin
[08:42] <sabmoc> s/your/you're/;
[08:42] <New2ubuntu> or as user
[08:42] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: windows basically runs as root all the time - which is one reason it's so braindead
[08:43] <New2ubuntu> indeed
[08:43] <Aircobra> good morning
[08:43] <New2ubuntu> now I am going ot see how good these Nvidia drivers I just installed are
[08:43] <thoreauputic> also why it's so trivially easy to write viruses for, partly (lots of other reasons)
[08:43] <New2ubuntu> time to download ut2k4 demo :)
[08:44] <linux_galore> New2ubuntu: having a single point admin system in itself is a security problem.....single point hack
[08:45] <janc> sabmoc : I can always use SciTE or something (which I use on Windows a lot), but it's more about the project management & stuff
[08:45] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, run `glxgears` from a regular terminal it will tell you how well they perform, sortof
[08:45] <rapha> janc: I got 0.5, so it is even a little bit older. When does it crash for you?
[08:45] <sabmoc> janc, ah yes, well for that type stuff use the kde ide
[08:46] <sabmoc> janc, its actually very very advanced and goodness :)
[08:46] <janc> sabmoc : eh, kde? :-P
[08:47] <sabmoc> janc, kdevelop is good
[08:47] <janc> I saw the kdevelop talk @ fosdem, which looked very cool, except for the KDE/qt part  ;)
[08:47] <visor> anyone has tried a USB CD-RW with luck in linux? planning to buy one of those but i would like to hear if they really work out of the box (as usb sticks does)
[08:47] <ah`kin> is it ubuntu linux also use apt ?
[08:48] <sabmoc> janc, if I had a "Top 3 KDE Apps List", kdevelop would be second, amarok first, and third would still be empty.
[08:48] <sabmoc> visor, yes they work fine
[08:48] <janc> sabmoc : kdevelop would be maybe first for me   :-/
[08:48] <sabmoc> wait
[08:48] <sabmoc> k3b
[08:48] <linux_galore> sabmoc:  scribus/inkscape/k3b/dvdauthor
[08:48] <sabmoc> ok, I officially have 3 KDE apps I will use
[08:48] <janc> even if I only did look at it briefly
[08:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore, inkscape is not kde, and neither is scribus
[08:49] <sabmoc> scribus is qt
[08:49] <janc> inkscape is gtk
[08:49] <visor> sabmoc: oh great thanks, im assumming all usb cdwriters use a standard interface, more like pen drives and so, so does it matter wich brand i use or would you recommend me some unit in special?
[08:49] <linux_galore> sabmoc: they both use qt but yes dont need kde
[08:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore, inkscape uses kde? I dont think so.
[08:50] <sabmoc> err s/kde/qt/
[08:50] <thoreauputic> kworldclock! *grin*
[08:50] <sabmoc> egad!
[08:50] <thoreauputic> heheh
[08:50] <visor> inkscape uses GTK2 to be concise :) and scribus uses standard QT not KDELibs (kde libs deppend uppon QT)
[08:51] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: that's imaginative :)
[08:51] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, be thankful there was no flying halibut
[08:51] <sabmoc> visor, yes
[08:52] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: Oh - I forgot kteatime!! What an omission !
[08:52] <sabmoc> k3b, kdevelop, amarok ..the only reason for installing kdelibs at all!!
[08:53] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, whats next? keggtimer?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: nah, I wrote my own ;)
[08:53] <New2ubuntu> wow
[08:53] <New2ubuntu> celestia kicks ass
[08:53] <janc> rapha : it crashes (a.o.) when I hover over & click on the tabs for the differend editor/help windows
[08:54] <janc> that's _very_ annoying...  :)
[08:54] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, did you run glxgears like I told you to do about a million times?
[08:54] <Elysium_> sabmoc, with gnomebaker, why evenworry about k3b
[08:55] <sabmoc> Elysium_, havent tried it
[08:55] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: perhaps he (very sensibly) doesn't care about how many fps he gets :)
[08:55] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker is nice, indeed
[08:55] <sabmoc> Elysium_, but thanks for the tip, ill take a look
[08:56] <Elysium_> sabmoc, it doesn't have all the features of k3b but I just thought if you are installing kde libs for just one app
[08:56] <sabmoc> Elysium_, no, three apps
[08:56] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/     << gnomebaker
[08:56] <sabmoc> Elysium_, is it in apt?
[08:57] <Elysium_> get the packages from thoreauputics link
[08:57] <waxhead> anyone got a ATI mobility setup working in warty?
[08:57] <New2ubuntu> sabmoc
[08:58] <New2ubuntu> I am kde
[08:58] <membreya> what's the easiest way to find out the version of nvidia that I'm running?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: yes, and I must say I'm bored ;)
[08:58] <New2ubuntu> and they are runnin in th corner
[08:58] <Elysium_> waxhead, I can't get fglrx to work with hoarty..
[08:58] <New2ubuntu> and they are running very very fast
[08:58] <sabmoc> ding!
[08:58] <Elysium_> waxhead, not that was much of a help :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: is this all you think about ?
[08:59] <sabmoc> oh you must have shifted down to my primordeal cerebelum.. the pleasure center
[08:59] <insidious> hey guys
[08:59] <BasL> membreya,   cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[08:59] <sabmoc> thats all THAT part thinks about
[08:59] <insidious> and gals
[08:59] <membreya> ta BasL :)
[09:00] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, do I need to add 'hoary multiverse' or anything to the end of the url?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: it isn't a repository
[09:00] <membreya> done EVERYTHING to try and get my nvidia working properly..yet I still only get 450 - 500 fps on glxgears
[09:00] <Elysium_> it's just a deb package
[09:00] <membreya> ANOTHER day without updates.. I'm starting to feel abandoned
[09:01] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: just dig into the directories
[09:01] <navashi> ah that is much better
[09:01] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, thanks
[09:01] <linux_galore> just had a though a good kde app thats matured well is kmyfirewall http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=10073&file1=10073-1.png&file2=10073-2.png&file3=10073-3.png&name=KMyFirewall
[09:01] <cusco> hi ya
[09:01] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: and didn't your mother/priest/father warn you you'd go blind? here's the evidence!
[09:01] <cusco> I don't have yet a ssh server install... I was wondering which one should I install...
[09:01] <membreya> what's that linux_galore ..kyfirewall ? :P
[09:01] <sabmoc> ouch
[09:02] <gankzor> anyone know how I can setup a second monitor that I can drag windows to, without using xinerama?
[09:02] <New2ubuntu> got to run
[09:02] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: :)
[09:02] <cusco> and if is possible to bind it to serve on port 25 instead of 22
[09:02] <linux_galore> well kmyfirewall tried to figure out what distro its on before it sets up the firewall
[09:02] <linux_galore> tried
[09:02] <linux_galore> tries*
[09:02] <linux_galore> grr
[09:02] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, this the one? gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[09:02] <nvashi> cuso: you left b4 I found the thing about your wifi .. but I guess you solved it
[09:02] <Elysium_> saber, yes
[09:02] <Elysium_> sabmoc, yes
[09:02] <waxhead> Elysium_, that's ok... got to ask..
[09:03] <sabmoc> Elysium_, haha
[09:03] <linux_galore> kmyfirewall is like firestarter on steroids
[09:03] <cusco> nvashi: well... Im not sure.. internet looks stable now but some times it falls
[09:03] <BasL> membreya, did you look at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/ ?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: make sure you get the hoary/warty version as applicable, of course - i guess the latest one
[09:03] <linux_galore> although personally I use shorewall
[09:03] <Elysium_> waxhead, ??? :(
[09:03] <cusco> I used ndiswrapper...
[09:03] <nvashi> cusco: you can forward the port to 25 if you want .. but why would you
[09:03] <membreya> BasL: lol yes :P
[09:03] <membreya> BasL: plus I'm running 2.6.11-1 :)
[09:03] <cusco> nvashi: is one of the few ports open in school
[09:03] <cusco> so I can access my machine
[09:03] <membreya> if you want to see what I've done, check out the email achive...
[09:03] <cusco> hehe
[09:04] <cusco> nvashi: how do I do it?
[09:04] <cusco> and which ssh server do I install?
[09:04] <Elysium_> ssh
[09:04] <cusco> open-ssh server
[09:04] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, yep yep
[09:04] <membreya> BasL: just finished up a thread 20 responses long trying to get it to work properly
[09:04] <membreya> the nvidia driver works, just slow as shit
[09:04] <cusco> webmin sshd
[09:04] <nvashi> cusco:but the thing is do you have access to the forewall/router
[09:04] <cusco> ssh-krb5
[09:04] <cusco> oh nvashi but that I can do..
[09:04] <cusco> actualli is done
[09:05] <cusco> bit normaly I listen on port 22
[09:05] <cusco> instead of 25
[09:05] <cusco> for ssh
[09:05] <blahrus> when is the issue going to be fixed with gstreamer mad/ffmpeg
[09:06] <nvashi> if you do then just open the right port .. saves all the hassle of ssh clients trying to switch to 25 [although it can be done .. but again why]
[09:06] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, Elysium_ looks pretty good
[09:06] <jdub> blahrus: which issue?
[09:06] <BasL> membreya, the 2.6.11 kernel doesn't have a restricted-modules package, at least i don't see it here.
[09:06] <cusco> nvashi: but I would like to connect rough port 25 (in college I cannot go out trough 22)
[09:06] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: it seems to Just Work (tm)
[09:07] <blahrus> jdub: sync
[09:07] <blahrus> jdub: lag
[09:07] <membreya> BasL: that's right, I had to download it and install it myself
[09:07] <Elysium_> sabmoc, it's only .3
[09:07] <cusco> can you tell me how do I make the sshd server listen on 25 instead of 22 or both of them?
[09:07] <jdub> blahrus: there are some architectural problems with the current stable branch of gstreamer, hopefully they'll be dealt with in 0.9/1.0
[09:07] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: well, as long as you don't patent it - there's prior art :)
[09:08] <sabmoc> I thought patents were inventions
[09:08] <Dillweed> cusco: i believe you can chagne the settings in the sshd_config file
[09:08] <blahrus> jdub: yea I wasn't blaming ubuntu at all, I know its a gstreamer issue. they are getting sooo close . . . .
[09:08] <odie5533> Is there a good CD Burner for Ubuntu?
[09:08] <Dillweed> cusco: that file should be located in the /etc/sshd/ folder
[09:09] <thoreauputic> and goes to school to learn typing...
[09:09] <Dillweed> cusco: then restart the sshd server
[09:09] <membreya> thoreauputic: I still fail to see how an idea can be patented..it's an idea :|
[09:09] <membreya> it's like patenting breathing
[09:09] <thoreauputic> membreya: I agree - notice the large lmp in my cheek :)
[09:09] <cusco> Dillweed: but I haven't install a sshd server yet... which one should I install?
[09:09] <blahrus> odie5533: use graveman
[09:09] <cusco> webmin-sshd
[09:09] <membreya> thoreauputic: I thought that was just grime :\
[09:09] <cusco> ssh-krb5
[09:10] <cusco> openssh-server
[09:10] <jdub> cusco: openssh-server
[09:10] <cusco> ok
[09:10] <Dillweed> cusco: you need the server.  The webmin-sshd is the frontend.  I'm not sure in ubuntu which to install.  but it looks like jdub has the answer
[09:10] <nvashi> Cusco: opennssh-server is the one everyone one else is copying
[09:10] <cusco> well
[09:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: mostly hair in fact
[09:11] <cusco> ok
[09:11] <membreya> unkempt :P honestly thoreauputic :)
[09:13] <nvashi> cusco:and it is an outgrowth of the openbsd project
[09:13] <cusco> ok..
[09:14] <waxhead> Elysium_, oh.. about the ATI setup... I'm playing around with other stuff... took a while to see your reply
[09:14] <cusco> yeah I see the port in the config file
[09:14] <cusco> the thing is... it is comented
[09:14] <cusco> should I uncoment it?
[09:14] <nvashi> yes or it will us default
[09:14] <nvashi> us -> use
[09:16] <nvashi> now let us just hope your school has a lazy network admin
[09:16] <nvashi> and no email server
[09:17] <cusco> actually looks like I changed the ssh client default port
[09:17] <odie5533> Is there a hotkey to switch workspaces?
[09:17] <jdub> odie5533: ctrl-alt-<cursor-key>
[09:17] <odie5533> Elysium_:  You live right near me!
[09:18] <odie5533> can you give me an example of cursor-key?
[09:18] <cusco> oh yes.. but Ive chaged it
[09:18] <nvashi> cusco you are in the sshd config file rifgt
[09:18] <janc> odie5533 : arrow left, arrow right ,
[09:18] <janc> ?
[09:18] <janc>   :-)
[09:19] <odie5533> ah handy
[09:19] <cusco> for get it
[09:19] <cusco> I was in the wrong file
[09:19] <cusco> heh
[09:19] <nvashi> thought so
[09:19] <cusco> thats why it tas all commented
[09:19] <waxhead> so how does one manage the modules.conf these days?
[09:19] <membreya> waxhead: sudo nano /etc/modules ?
[09:19] <cusco> nvashi: please... could you try to ssh to my ip in port 25? lol
[09:19] <waxhead> membreya, nano?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> waxhead: one does modprobe, then one puts the name of the module in /etc/modules
[09:20] <nvashi> that would be a good way to lose my gov't job
[09:20] <waxhead> thoreauputic, thanks..
[09:20] <membreya> waxhead: nano = text editor..like vi ..but for dummies like me :)
[09:21] <DeadZed> Cannot mount iso image .. not sure if it is iso image. How do I find out?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> DeadZed:  file <name of file>
[09:21] <waxhead> membreya, oh.. I prefer vim anyway .. thanks
[09:21] <waxhead> is the pwc module in warty or hoary?
[09:21] <cusco> oh sory nvashi ... I din't meatn anything like that
[09:21] <nvashi> but will try to hit you
[09:21] <membreya> file
[09:21] <membreya> damn you
[09:22] <membreya> I'm working off 3 hours sleep here
[09:22] <sabmoc> membreya, welcome to my world
[09:22] <cusco> brb
[09:22] <nvashi> I know but schools and gov't agencies don't think to kindly topersonel hitting their systems unauthorized
[09:22] <sabmoc> I invented 3 hours sleep.
[09:22] <sabmoc> patent pending
[09:23] <drspin> sabmoc: I believe M$ Corp. Has already patented that ;)
[09:23] <DeadZed> thoreauputic it says ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data but doesnt mount
[09:23] <sabmoc> drspin, I invented M$ Corp.
[09:23] <nvashi> sabmoc: I belive drspin is coorect we go 3 days without it sometimes
[09:24] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: that isn't surprising
[09:24] <DeadZed> hah
[09:24] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: if you want to mount an iso you need to use loop
[09:24] <esher> my cdrw is messed up during burning, how can i "reset" this drive ?
[09:24] <visor> speaking of cd's do you know why the eject button doesnt work (even when eject package is installed) in hoary?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> mount -o loop file.iso
[09:24] <membreya> visor: umount the drive
[09:24] <drspin> DeadZed: you may need to # sudo modprobe loop
[09:24] <DeadZed> I used mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r
[09:24] <nvashi> but M$ Corp has nothing on USMC
[09:25] <drspin> DeadZed: I do at least on my Warty system
[09:25] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: you also need to modprobe `loop`  ( it's a module)
[09:25] <visor> membreya: isnt eject suppossed to do that automagically?
[09:25] <drspin> totem sucks
[09:25] <membreya> nfi
[09:25] <thoreauputic> drspin: oops didn't see your posts - sorry
[09:26] <membreya> DeadZed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofilewithoutburning
[09:26] <drspin> thoreauputic: no worries -- reinforcement :)
[09:26] <visor> membreya: in mdk it does eject without unmounting, i read somewhere that the hal provided with ubuntu is not the vanilla (the original source) so that maybe doing something
[09:26] <DeadZed> nope .. doesnt mount .. what if its not an iso image
[09:26] <DeadZed> aah no file told me it was
[09:26] <DeadZed> if its correct
[09:27] <membreya> file's never wrong :)
[09:27] <DeadZed> u sure?
[09:27] <DeadZed> I ll try
[09:27] <membreya> god is infalable and ms rules
[09:27] <jnc> i read that "god is inflatable and floats"
[09:27] <sabmoc> me2
[09:28] <jnc> it must be that time where i am tired
[09:28] <nvashi> hey do one of you have the link to the wiki page for the extra repositories page that lists them all I lost it and I want to set up my mom's PC so de can use ogle
[09:28] <membreya> nvashi: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:28] <nvashi> membreya: thanks
[09:29] <nvashi> she loved the way it plays on mine
[09:29] <cusco> back
[09:29] <nvashi> may make her intoa linux user yet
[09:31] <rapha> janc: Sorry for the long reply time. Doesn't crash here when switching tabs.
[09:31] <sabmoc> night folks
[09:31] <cusco> nvashi: actually I dind't foward the port
[09:31] <cusco> I did now
[09:31] <cusco> can you get to me on 25?
[09:32] <waxhead> does anyone have a /dev/video?
[09:35] <janc> rapha : it doesn't always crash, seems to have something to do with the help tabs
[09:35] <tezza> what's the latest hoary kernel?
[09:36] <tezza> Linux laptop 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Mar 15 14:43:37 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:38] <ells> anyone ever use acidrip
[09:39] <membreya> used acid ... :P