[12:00] <sap> slartibartfast: i'm sorry, i don't think I'm going to be able to help you.
[12:01] <sap> if i remember the people who write the ipw2100 driver have an irc channel, perhaps you could ask them
[12:02] <sap> slartibartfast: #ipw2100
[12:02] <jimi42> wep encryption is avaiable on ipw2200 drivers?
[12:04] <andred> Tomcat_, Hmm, so MRTG requires SNMP stuff?
[12:05] <andred> Sounds complex.
[12:05] <Tomcat_> andred: Not really... MRTG has a configure wizard that will do everything automatically.
[12:05] <hazmat> why is there a /usr/src/rpm directory.. is this some lsb cruft?
[12:05] <Tomcat_> But yes, it needs SNMP.
[12:08] <andred> Tomcat_, What's that configuration wizard called? I've only seen examples using 'cfgmaker'.
[12:08] <Tomcat_> Yeah that's it.
[12:10] <andred> Ok. I didn't quite understand the community string you're supposed to use as an argument, but I guess I'll have to read up on it.
[12:15] <tomeu> good night, i'm getting desperate trying to install ubuntu along with windows xp
[12:15] <tomeu> somebody here has managed to do that?
[12:15] <AprentisSorcerer> Yes
[12:16] <tomeu> how can i tell ubuntu's kernel the right number of heads my hd has?
[12:16] <tomeu> he thinks i have only 16, when i have 255
[12:17] <tomeu> have tried with custom-expert hda=4997,255,63, but it doesn't works
[12:17] <AprentisSorcerer> Unfortunately, I don't know that kind of answer. It got detected properly on my machine.
[12:17] <tomeu> and then grub and lilo fail to install
[12:17] <asdf_> hi are there any mplayer packages for ubuntu
[12:17] <tomeu> can you tell me how do you have partitioned your hard disk?
[12:17] <asdf_> totem doesnt work
[12:18] <AprentisSorcerer> I have used Ranish Partition Manager.  I have 2 hd, and I installed Ubuntu on hdb1 (/boot), hdb2 (swap) and hdb3 (/)
[12:18] <tomeu> ok, i see
[12:18] <AprentisSorcerer> I partitioned before with Ranish, then just selected the partitioned I wanted by using the expert mode.
[12:18] <tomeu> i suppose my problem only happens with them on the same hd
[12:19] <phin> would removing xfree 4.4 or whatever is in ubuntu and going down to 3.3.6 mess up dependancies?
[12:19] <AprentisSorcerer> Even if /boot is on the second drive, grub detected Win-XP (on hda1) properly and it works well.
[12:19] <tomeu> have read a lot about this problem with fedora and suse, but haven't had any success
[12:20] <LinuxJones> asdf, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see #2 section 4 they are in the marillat repo
[12:20] <tomeu> yes, has something to do with one os thinking the disk has on geometry and the other another one
[12:20] <AprentisSorcerer> tomey, I am not a very advanced user, so there are a lot of questions I cannot answer.
[12:21] <asdf_> thanks LinuxJones
[12:21] <tomeu> ok, thank you anyway
[12:21] <tomeu> will keep trying for a while
[12:21] <AprentisSorcerer> ur welcome
[12:22] <phin> ?? anyone
[12:23] <LinuxJones> asdf_, ;)
[12:24] <sap> tomeu: what errors do you get from grub and lilo?
[12:25] <tomeu> sap: grub tells me that the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[12:25] <tomeu> when i do grub-install
[12:25] <sap> tomeu: what about lilo?
[12:26] <tomeu> sap: and lilo tells me that if i write the partition record to 0x06 (or something like that) in the device 0x007 (...) it can make windows don't boot anymore
[12:27] <tomeu> don't know the exact numbers, but was something along that
[12:28] <tomeu> sap: when i execute sfdisk with -g, it says that the kernel thinks that the disk has 16 heads
[12:30] <phin> so there is no way to downgrade to xserver 3.3.6 safely?
[12:30] <sap> tomeu: i have seen the kernel report two identical disks as having different number of heads, so *i* wouldn't worry too much about that.
[12:31] <sap> tomeu:  and i did get problems with the grub-install when i install ubuntu, but managed to boot using lilo instead
[12:31] <tomeu> sap: did you had windows and ubuntu on the same disk?
[12:32] <sap> yes, i have xp, ubuntu and debian on one disk
[12:33] <q2> What version of Gnome comes with Ubuntu?
[12:33] <phin> 2.8
[12:33] <tomeu> sap: and can you tell me your partition layout? I'm gonna copy it i you don't care :-)
[12:33] <q2> phin, HELL YA!
[12:35] <phin> so no one can help?
[12:36] <blur> lo [Bas]  :)
[12:39] <jgeorgeson> i have a dell inspiron 2600 which won't suspend from either the GDM actions menu or closing the lid
[12:40] <q2> How do i change the theme in Ubuntu?
[12:41] <q2> the Gnome thereme?
[12:41] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X
[12:41] <q2> dound it
[12:41] <sap> tomeu: did you get that?
[12:42] <jgeorgeson> LinuxJones, I mean putting the computer into suspend mode. when i close the lid, it just turns of the lcd. in windows it does into suspend mode.
[12:42] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, oh heh
[12:44] <tomeu> sap: sorry, got what?
[12:45] <jgeorgeson> on a presumably related note. the system loads the toshiba_acpi and asus_acpi modules on startup, but I have a dell. how do I stop them from loading? (I saw someone mention /etc/hotplug/blacklist but that didn't work for me)
[12:51] <blur> some one awake here?
[12:52] <andril> hello all again
[12:52] <blur> i have a problem with nvidia
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[12:52] <andril> i need to know what version of Ubantu is the lates - the one with the Ubuntu ot the Zebra skin?
[12:52] <blur> if i start qauke ... and change resolution or load a mod or re quake3 ... x crash
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> andril: that is somewhat old - the latest ubuntu is the daily release CDs
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> blur: are you using nvidias glx modules etc that you know of?
[12:53] <blur> yes
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> does glxinfo confirm that?
[12:53] <blur> i read the readme ... tryed export __GL_SINGLE_THREADED=1
[12:54] <andril> HrdwrBoB: so which is the newest of the 2? I have one that has Ubuntu - then one with the Zebra skin
[12:54] <blur> blur@a1200 ~ $ glxinfo |grep direct
[12:54] <blur> direct rendering: Yes
[12:55] <blur> if i quit quake3 ... i get the follow "warnings"
[12:55] <blur> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[12:55] <blur>   Major opcode of failed request: 135
[12:55] <blur>   Minor opcode of failed request: 10
[12:55] <blur>   Serial number of failed request: 86
[12:56] <hartbrkr> how do I make ubuntu boot to textmode instead of graphical login?
[12:56] <andril> Kamion: which is newer? The one with the Ubuntu or the Zebra skin?
[12:57] <Kamion> andril: the zebra theme is ancient
[12:57] <blur> ctrl+alt+f1 hartbrkr
[12:57] <blur> first logo out
[12:57] <blur> log
[12:57] <andril> well that one is on the link you provided earlier
[12:57] <hartbrkr> blur: is there any way to shut down X completely?
[12:58] <blur> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
[12:58] <blur> << hey im a newb to so dont ask to much :)
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> hartbrkr: you can stop gdm from starting if you like
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> blur is correct though
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[12:58] <andril> the one I am using came from the main site -
[12:58] <blur> \0/
[12:59] <Kamion> andril: the zebra one is on the /sounder-test/8/ link
[12:59] <blur> but no one has a solution for my crash x problem after quake 3? :(
[12:59] <Kamion> andril: which the mail I linked to explicitly says was a typo
[01:00] <hartbrkr> blur what do I do to get back to graphical?
[01:00] <Kamion> andril: please read the mail in more details
[01:00] <Kamion> detail
[01:00] <blur> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:00] <blur> else try xstart
[01:01] <hartbrkr> blur: so ctrl-alt-f1 actually stops X ?
[01:01] <andril> Kamion: "read the mail?" - i got this from the main FTP - should I subscribe?
[01:01] <blur> no
[01:01] <blur> that put you in your "text mode"
[01:01] <blur> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:01] <Kamion> 23:57 < andril> well that one is on the link you provided earlier
[01:01] <Kamion> andril: please elaborate.
[01:01] <blur> stops x
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> hartbrkr: the only way to properly stop X is by stoppin gdm - otherwise it's automatically restarte4d
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> -4
[01:02] <blur> :P
[01:02] <Kamion> andril: I linked to http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002384.html, which has two incorrect links and two correct links. Read the text of that page to find out which is which.
[01:03] <t35t0r> you can stop xdm
[01:03] <t35t0r> well if you stop xdm it might not come back up
[01:03] <blur> linux people can type fast how come :P
[01:03] <Phr0stByte> heh
[01:03] <hartbrkr> is there any way to stop gdm from starting at all at boot time? i thought you could just change the runlevel in /etc/inittab ??
[01:03] <Freedomzen> hey all has anyone succesfully built xorg-cvs on ubuntu
[01:03] <Kamion> mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/s99gdm
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> blur when you spend all day at a keybaor dyou have to hope that somehting comes out of it
[01:04] <blur> :)
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Freedomzen: unlikely
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> hartbrkr: you can remove gdm from the runlebel
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> runlevel
[01:04] <Freedomzen> HrdwrBoB: hrrrm seems to be building fine now
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> there's a program to run but I forget what it is
[01:04] <blur> HrdwrBoB, you have an id for my problem ?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> blur:join #flood
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> and paste glxinfo
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> hartbrkr: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[01:06] <hartbrkr> does ubuntu come with gcc compiler? I'm trying to install vmware-tools package cause i'm running linux in vmware, but I keep running into problems with it
[01:06] <Kamion> hartbrkr: gcc is on the CD but not installed by default
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> it does not install by default
[01:06] <Kamion> install the gcc-3.3 package
[01:06] <Freedomzen> hartbrkr: no
[01:06] <hartbrkr> Kamion: will I have to install anything else or will all the dependencies be fixed?
[01:07] <Kamion> hartbrkr: if you use a package management front-end like synaptic, it'll do most of it for you; but you probably want to install libc6-dev as well
[01:07] <tomeu> sap: thank you very much, it worked like a charm!
[01:08] <tomeu> sap: now I'm able to dual boot without problems
[01:09] <Phr0stByte> Kamion: It would be nice if you could choose more than one locale at installation time...
[01:10] <andril> Kamino: is it hard to upgrade?
[01:10] <andril> Kamion: is it hard to upgrade?
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> andril: it's almost trivial :)
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> you can either upgrade with synaptic
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> or on the command line, using apt-get
[01:11] <andril> really?
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:11] <andril> I was wondering if I had to do a full install again?
[01:12] <hartbrkr> Kamion: should I install the package "gcc" or "gcc-3.3" or "gcc-3,4" ??? "gcc-3.3-base" is already installed
[01:12] <andril> I like Synaptics alot
[01:12] <andril> is there a path to update to the newer builds?
[01:13] <andril> Kamion: Thanks for the info - getting the Sep 2004 build now
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> andril: click 'Mark All Upgrades'
[01:13] <andril> ok
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> and it will mark all upgradable packages
[01:13] <andril> ok
[01:13] <smeg> yo
[01:13] <socomm> Why would anyone use synaptic?
[01:13] <Capri> hartbrkr: gcc depends on gcc-3.3 and is such a pseudo package
[01:13] <andril> shouldn't be too hard
[01:14] <Capri> hartbrkr: I think
[01:14] <bradfa> hey all
[01:14] <smeg> hi brad
[01:15] <hartbrkr> Capri: so which one should I install? "gcc", "gcc-3.3" or "gcc-3.4" ?
[01:15] <andril> this is a good turn for me :)
[01:15] <Kamion> Phr0stByte: there's a bug about that I think, but it's not feasible within the design of d-i as it stands; you can 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after installation to select extra locales
[01:15] <t35t0r> 3.2
[01:15] <Kamion> hartbrkr: just 'gcc' is fine
[01:15] <Capri> install gcc and you'll have always the default gcc version which is 3.3 now
[01:16] <andril> it's almost done - these SATA drives eat up data 10x's FASTER
[01:16] <socomm> hartbrkr, 3.4
[01:16] <zenwhen> For the life of me I cannot get a dialup connection tow ork in Ubuntu, or an Xserver started.
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> andril: and by 10x, you mean 1x
[01:16] <Capri> socomm: lol
[01:16] <zenwhen> to work*
[01:16] <Kamion> socomm: synaptic's our standard desktop package manager; I'm trying to get into the habit of pointing to it for people I don't already know are comfortable with terminals
[01:17] <burner> does gaim's away window minimize for anyone else?
[01:17] <burner> it used to in kde for me, but won't in gnome
[01:18] <jgeorgeson> how do i stop certain modules from being loaded at boot?
[01:18] <andril> well the Ubuntu install only took under 2min - i thought it was fast
[01:18] <phin> is there anyway to downgrade, safely, to xserver 3.3.6?
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> phin: no.
[01:19] <phin> :-\
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> X 3.3 is many years old now
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> why do you need this?
[01:19] <phin> older hardware
[01:19] <t35t0r> newer x will run on older hardware
[01:19] <Capri> jgeorgeson: depends on how they are loaded ...  maybe remove them from /etc/modules or blacklist them if hotplugged
[01:19] <phin> yes but it feels slower
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> phin: is this a back to back comparison?
[01:20] <phin> yes
[01:20] <t35t0r> xorg is not nay faster
[01:20] <phin> i ran debian on here before
[01:20] <phin> with just 3.3.6 and it felt alot faster
[01:20] <phin> i also cant figure out how to remove xft all together
[01:20] <andril> HrdwrBoB: so your install was faster that 2 min?
[01:20] <Phr0stByte> Kamion: Thanx for the info
[01:21] <Serenity^> burner,  probly not noticeable,  and if ya use the compositing feature it'll slow down a lot, heh
[01:21] <Kamion> two minutes is *very* quick
[01:21] <andril> I thought so
[01:21] <Kamion> my amd64 box is quite fast but I don't think it's quite that good
[01:21] <Kamion> this must be only the first stage?
[01:21] <bradfa> burner: I don't have the ability to minimize gaim's away messages either
[01:21] <bradfa> I did in icewm with debian, but don't think I have ever been able to with gnome
[01:21] <t35t0r> the problem with most distro's is that they don't support older stuff very well because of the latest and greatest philosphy of package management'
[01:21] <jgeorgeson> Capri, already tried /etc/hotplug/blacklist. and they aren't listed in /etc/modules (modules in question are asus_acpi and toshiba_acpi)
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> two minutes is barely enough time for a reboot
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> and a CD boot
[01:22] <phin> hmm i suppose i could move back to debian
[01:22] <phin> i am diggin ubuntu thou
[01:22] <zenwhen> How does one install the kernel source for the default warty kernel without going online?
[01:22] <zenwhen> Is t on the cd?
[01:22] <zenwhen> it*
[01:22] <jgeorgeson> zenwhen, linux-source
[01:22] <Kamion> t35t0r: forget about that, it's more a matter of the total impracticality of keeping up security support for ancient versions of things like X forever
[01:22] <Kamion> zenwhen: the source isn't on the CD; the headers are
[01:23] <zenwhen> Oh
[01:23] <zenwhen> Menaing I cant compile the Nvidia driver against it
[01:23] <hartbrkr> i need to install the headers for the kernel sources ?? what package is this?
[01:23] <Kamion> headers should be enough to compile things like third-party network drivers
[01:23] <zenwhen> I cant get a dialup connection either.
[01:23] <andril> I have a total of 8 Maxtor 250GB SATA Ultra Series between my machines and they kick a**
[01:23] <t35t0r> Kamion, well there is always security vs speed, esp in phin's case ..i don't think he cares about security on that box
[01:23] <Kamion> t35t0r: most distributions cannot in good conscience release stuff they can't security-support.
[01:23] <zenwhen> Is there a guide somewhere for setting up dialup in Ubuntu?
[01:23] <phin> correct, its not to big of a deal
[01:24] <phin> i mean, its a slow machine anywya
[01:24] <Kamion> it's not up to us whether users care about security ...
[01:24] <phin> k6-2 300 64 megs of mem
[01:24] <t35t0r> Kamion, heh latest and greatest
[01:24] <t35t0r> i wouldn't use any distro for such an old system
[01:24] <andril> I have a question... can I use Ubuntu as a mainstream OS? (let go M$ and Bad Apples)
[01:24] <phin> what do you mean?
[01:24] <t35t0r> well i would probably use a distro'
[01:25] <t35t0r> but then compile X myself
[01:25] <phin> debian was great :)
[01:25] <bradfa> I'm having trouble setting up my HP LaserJet 1300 printer, I can't seem to get the printer config to actually change to US Letter, it defaults to A4 and the resulting print outs are not what I want
[01:25] <t35t0r> if you want something older
[01:25] <t35t0r> or get the binary if you have it
[01:25] <Kamion> andril: well, that's part of the point of Ubuntu ...
[01:25] <phin> had xserver 3.3.6
[01:25] <phin> ya
[01:25] <phin> but the problem then
[01:25] <andril> alright!!!!!!
[01:25] <bradfa> Even when I change the gnome printer config to say US Letter, it still is trying to print on A4 paper
[01:25] <phin> is packages break
[01:25] <Capri> jgeorgeson: I'm sorry. I have no idea where these two modules are loaded. Must be something in init but don't find it at the moment
[01:26] <t35t0r> phin don't use package management on X
[01:26] <andril> Kamion: thanks again!!!!!
[01:26] <t35t0r> phin or force install
[01:26] <bradfa> I found a listing in the bugs asking a similar question, but no answer yet
[01:26] <phin> true
[01:27] <phin> well im compiling a new kernel
[01:27] <phin> with the ck patches
[01:27] <phin> lets see if that helps a little ;)
[01:27] <andril> well I love the release - and love the channel - Be Back Soon - later all
[01:27] <phin> if not then i think i'll dive back to debian
[01:27] <jgeorgeson> Capri, all the output during boot, is that logged somewhere? I might be to able to find out from that, as it's part of a block (there's one line that has the ok/fail, then a bunch of sub items starting with * before the next line with ok/fail)
[01:27] <phin> either way, ubuntu is a great distro :)
[01:28] <jgeorgeson> Capri, found something "Setting up acpid (1.0.3-19ubuntu10) ..." is the ok/fail line
[01:28] <burner> thanks for checking bradfa
[01:29] <Capri> jgeorgeson: yep, command dmesg prints the bootlog to stdout
[01:30] <OrangeSlice> hello people
[01:30] <jgeorgeson> hi OrangeSlice
[01:30] <LinuxJones> hi Orange
[01:30] <OrangeSlice> I seem to have, er... deleted my gnome panel
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> OrangeSlice: oops :)
[01:30] <zenwhen> Has anyone in here used ubuntu with a 6800 series Nvidia card?
[01:30] <OrangeSlice> yes, indeed
[01:31] <jgeorgeson> OrangeSlice, all of them? i didn't think it would let you delete them all
[01:31] <phin> ya it does
[01:31] <OrangeSlice> no, just the one that displays running applications and such
[01:31] <phin> ah
[01:31] <phin> right click on the top one
[01:31] <t35t0r> zenwhen, is there something particular with the 6800 that makes it work differently in linux than say a 5500 ?
[01:31] <phin> goto add panel
[01:31] <phin> then right click on the new panel
[01:31] <phin> and there should be a task toolbar or something
[01:32] <zenwhen> t35t0r, Im wondering wy Ubuntu gives the message that it will ignore the PCI device 01:00:0 (my 6800) on boot.
[01:32] <zenwhen> why*
[01:32] <OrangeSlice> aha, hooray
[01:32] <OrangeSlice> thank you
[01:32] <phin> np
[01:33] <t35t0r> zenwhen, first is there anything wrong with your setup ..are you getting an X display?
[01:33] <Capri> jgeorgeson: I have it
[01:33] <zenwhen> t35t0r, not that i know of.
[01:33] <jgeorgeson> OrangeSlice, that panel had "Window List", "Trash Applet", and "Show Desktop" applets
[01:34] <zenwhen> It said that the first time I booted ubuntu
[01:34] <Phr0stByte> zenwhen: nope - I have a FX 5200  =(
[01:34] <zenwhen> I have two issues blocking me from even being able to decide whether I like Ubuntu.
[01:34] <jgeorgeson> Capri, the solution? or you get those modules loaded too?
[01:34] <OrangeSlice> yeah, I just finished a dist-upgrade, then deleted my panel.  haha
[01:34] <zenwhen> Cant start X. Cant configure dialup.
[01:34] <t35t0r> well that has nothing to dowith ubuntu
[01:35] <Capri> jgeorgeson: have a look at /etc/default/acpid You must replace MODULES="all" with MODULES="battery ac processor button fan thermal"
[01:35] <t35t0r> zenwhen, that might be a kernel issue
[01:35] <zenwhen> The dialup configuration issue is certaily ubuntu.
[01:35] <[rain] > Hm, I've found an error in the swedish keymaps that comes with ubuntu. I don't know if this is the place to turn? the key on the left side of the "Z"-key is dead.
[01:35] <t35t0r> zenwhen, you have a winmodem?
[01:35] <zenwhen> I give it all of the correct information that works perfectly in Slackware and it doesnt work.
[01:35] <jrydberg_> Hmm.  I can't get swedish characters in the terminal.
[01:35] <t35t0r> zenwhen, ahh...
[01:35] <jrydberg_> They work in GTK/GNOME applications, though.  Strange.
[01:36] <zenwhen> Why, as a linux user would I have a winmodem?
[01:36] <zenwhen> lolz
[01:36] <t35t0r> zenwhen, many people do
[01:36] <zenwhen> yeah
[01:36] <t35t0r> zenwhen, and what is "it"
[01:36] <zenwhen> I want to try Ubuntu because Pat is dropping Gnome from Slackware
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> [rain] : file a bug
[01:36] <zenwhen> I cant support a man who wont support Gnome
[01:36] <phin> good man
[01:36] <phin> gnome is the shit
[01:36] <t35t0r> slackware is dropping gnome?
[01:36] <phin> wish i could run it on here
[01:36] <phin> lol
[01:36] <Capri> jgeorgeson: you find the existing modules in ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi/
[01:36] <phin> fluxbox for me!
[01:36] <zenwhen> Oh the modem works fine in Ubuntu. the configuration for the actual handshake does not.
[01:36] <phin> lol
[01:37] <zenwhen>  cant figure out whats so different about pon
[01:37] <t35t0r> zenwhen, a default handshake is atz
[01:38] <zenwhen> yeah
[01:38] <zenwhen> I know
[01:38] <zenwhen> Its just odd.
[01:38] <jgeorgeson> Capri: cool, rebooting now to confirm
[01:38] <zenwhen> The exact config that works in slack and with redhat based OS's does not work in Ubuntu
[01:38] <zenwhen> Whoich makes me think pon is tossing in something its not telling me.
[01:38] <t35t0r> what prog are you using to dial
[01:38] <zenwhen> pon
[01:38] <Capri> you can try a rmmod toshiba_acpi
[01:38] <Capri> and a sudo /etc/init.d/acpid restart
[01:39] <[rain] > jrydberg_: you have to set a keymap specifically for the console
[01:40] <jrydberg_> [rain] : Same for xterm?
[01:40] <t35t0r> zenwhen, can you use /dev/tty* to communicate with the modem?
[01:40] <[rain] > jrydberg_: yep
[01:41] <zenwhen> Oh
[01:41] <zenwhen> yes
[01:41] <t35t0r> i don't see why it shouldn't work using the same program
[01:41] <jgeorgeson> Capri, seems to have worked
[01:41] <zenwhen> Oh no
[01:41] <t35t0r> if you can do it manually why wouldn't it work with pon
[01:41] <zenwhen> With Slackware I use ppp-go
[01:41] <zenwhen> Its a slackware util
[01:42] <zenwhen> With redhat based distos I used wvdial.
[01:42] <t35t0r> can't you use it ubuntu?
[01:42] <zenwhen> wvdial doesnt seem to be instaled in ubuntu
[01:42] <Capri> jgeorgeson: ok. no orange stars in boot anymore ;o)
[01:42] <jgeorgeson> Capri, none indeed. thanks
[01:43] <Kamion> zenwhen: current builds install wvdial
[01:43] <t35t0r> If you are using Debian GNU/Linux, try using pppconfig  or wvdial (highly recommended). Once you have this set up, you just run pon and poff to start and stop your dialup connection.
[01:43] <zenwhen> It seems most distros are forgetting that 53% of america still uses dialup.
[01:43] <jgeorgeson> ok, so now that I have that done, anyone know a good resource for getting into acpi so i can try and get my laptop to suspend and hibernate?
[01:43] <zenwhen> I bet its more so in less developed countries.
[01:43] <t35t0r> is there a pppconfig?
[01:43] <anonobomber> MepisBelle: troll!
[01:43] <zenwhen> Yeah
[01:44] <t35t0r> that's the main part
[01:44] <t35t0r> make sure that is properly setup
[01:44] <zenwhen> pppconfig works, but creates a non working configuration that fails the handshake with my ISP/
[01:44] <zenwhen> thats my issue
[01:44] <MepisBelle> anonobomber: Guilty - but a courteous one.
[01:44] <t35t0r> zenwhen, what's your isp?
[01:44] <Capri> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/
[01:44] <zenwhen> Bellsouth.
[01:44] <t35t0r> zenwhen, ahh that should work with regular ppp
[01:44] <zenwhen> Which I am connected to in Slackware right now.
[01:45] <t35t0r> zenwhen, when you say "fails handshake with ISP" do you mean that the modem works but it can't negotiate PPP with the PPP server or that your modem just doesn't work ?
[01:46] <zenwhen> I mean the modem works perfectly, starts the handshake, and then gives a random error every time.
[01:46] <zenwhen> It changes depeneding on its mood I guess.
[01:46] <zenwhen> Its so annoying to go in there and have no internet and try to troubleshoot something I know nothing about.
[01:46] <zenwhen> lol
[01:47] <zenwhen> ppp-setup was much more straighforward and created a working config the first time
[01:48] <t35t0r> zenwhen, ls -l /etc/ppp
[01:49] <zenwhen> perhaps I could copy my entire /etc/ppp over and pray
[01:49] <zenwhen> lol
[01:49] <t35t0r> zenwhen, that might work
[01:49] <t35t0r> http://www.linux.net.nz/pppconfig/
[01:51] <thk> woop
[01:51] <thk> i'm considering running ubuntu on my ibook.
[01:52] <thk> how is the support for ppc-packages?
[01:53] <clee> thk: top notch.
[01:53] <clee> thk: A few of the Ubuntu devs have Powerbooks. The rest have X40s apparently :)
[01:56] <wm_eddie> lets face it IBM makes the best laptops
[01:56] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, the most expensive ones
[01:57] <wm_eddie> That too
[01:57] <thk> ah, nice
[01:57] <wm_eddie> Although I don't really agree with that damn Trusted computing technology....
[01:57] <mjr> at least some of the most linux-friendly ones too
[01:57] <t35t0r> you can get a good generic one also
[01:58] <t35t0r> i have a ECS G736 ..its a good desktop replacement ..except i somehow fried the internal PRISM3 wireless device using linux-wlan-ng
[01:58] <wm_eddie> It's because of that Trusted Computing chip that I'm not buying an IBM next year.
[01:58] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, you can opt not to use trusted computing
[01:58] <wm_eddie> t35t0r: What do you mean?
[01:58] <wm_eddie> not have it installed?
[01:58] <phosphorgreen> lo every1
[01:59] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, not have it enabled?
[01:59] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, which model are you talking about?
[01:59] <zenwhen> wm_eddie, its not something that prevents you from using your computer how you want no matter what
[01:59] <wm_eddie> If I can have a laptop with one or without one, I'll chose the one without one.
[01:59] <phosphorgreen> can i just say for the record that ubuntu-i386 runs a lot better than ubuntu-amd64
[01:59] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, that's just paranoia
[01:59] <Phr0stByte> Damn, I love my Ubuntu box!!!
[01:59] <t35t0r> phosphorgreen, on amd64 i presume...
[02:00] <phosphorgreen> i have an amd64 yes
[02:00] <t35t0r> phosphorgreen, its the code ...
[02:00] <t35t0r> phosphorgreen, that's a generality which really doesn't make sense
[02:00] <MepisBelle> Nice review of Mepis Linux for anyone interested:  http://lnxg.ca/reviews/smepis2004/
[02:00] <t35t0r> i wouldn't use a binary only distro for amd64
[02:00] <wm_eddie> t35t0r: It's no paranoia, I won't be using any programs that would use the TC chip.  But I diagree with everything it stands for.
[02:00] <phosphorgreen> the reliability of i386 is much better than the 64bit release
[02:00] <wm_eddie> and you should too.
[02:01] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, i'm not saying i don't ..but there may come a time when you cannot find one without it
[02:01] <phosphorgreen> things are crashing all the time and i cant download and get libs/compiler to work correctly
[02:01] <phosphorgreen> but i386 version appears to load apps faster and runs flawlessly
[02:01] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: have you filed bugs? seriously, we need to know details of this kind of thing in order to fix it
[02:01] <MepisBelle> Someone needs to get Linuxgruven to review Ub untu.
[02:01] <Kamion> bugzilla is our to-do list; if it's not in bugzilla, it isn't on our list of stuff to fix :)
[02:02] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, trusted computing is the analog of the patriot act
[02:02] <phosphorgreen> Kamion: yes, i have ran bugzilla when bugzilla it's self wasnt crashing
[02:02] <wm_eddie> t35t0r: I hope that day never comes.  I'm not saying I won't buy one, but I'd rather not if I can.
[02:02] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, give us your freedom and we'll make sure you are secure
[02:03] <wm_eddie> Because in reality it doesn't affect me.
[02:03] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, except in RL you can't just "turn off" the patriot act
[02:03] <wm_eddie> :( Man that IBM X series is expensive.
[02:03] <wm_eddie> t35t0r: yes you can. I can move to Canada.
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> but soo gooood
[02:03] <wm_eddie> Or England
[02:04] <wm_eddie> or (where I will be going) Japan.
[02:04] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, that's not simply "turning it off" ...and i still think living in the US is much better than any other country
[02:04] <t35t0r> not that i've lived anywhere else really
[02:04] <t35t0r> heh
[02:04] <thk> just get an ibook instead :)
[02:04] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, just get a generic like an ecs or acer or whatever
[02:05] <wm_eddie> t35t0r: I'm actually looking at this one: http://elementcomputer.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=33
[02:05] <thk> i love the apple hardware and design.
[02:05] <t35t0r> ohh those things
[02:06] <wm_eddie> I'm not all to crazy about Tablet PCs but this one really does work with linux out of the box... so to speak.
[02:06] <t35t0r> wm_eddie, how often do people really use the LCD screen in such a manner ..turning it an a crazy obtuse angle
[02:06] <wm_eddie> t35t0r: to show it off :p
[02:06] <thk> does SATA run more smooth of a lilo or grub-boot? or does it make any diffrence at all?
[02:07] <wm_eddie> But, the IBM X series has nearly 7.5 hours of battery life :(
[02:07] <t35t0r> wow that's cheap!!!
[02:07] <t35t0r> it has touch panel too!!
[02:07] <t35t0r> oh its a VIA antaur
[02:07] <wm_eddie> and Element Computer's linux comes with a handwriting recognition system.
[02:07] <t35t0r> no wonder
[02:07] <wm_eddie> Even Element's Desktop machine is a touch screen.
[02:09] <t35t0r> it's probably good for a truly mobile machine ...
[02:09] <t35t0r> but then i might get a sony with a 12"
[02:09] <wm_eddie> I don't think Xstroke can work with Kanji though :/
[02:10] <t35t0r> heh you know japanese?
[02:10] <wm_eddie> Yes, I've been studying Japanese for two years.  That's why I said I will be moving there.
[02:12] <nasdaq4088> What is the Japanese word for Samurai wm_eddie?
[02:12] <smeg> hi
[02:13] <wm_eddie> nasdaq4088: that's a toughy...
[02:13] <smeg> bit redunut?
[02:14] <smeg> bit redundent (sp)?
[02:15] <smeg> has any one had a problem with an esound fail problem when stating gnome?
[02:16] <wm_eddie> hehe xstrokeis
[02:16] <wm_eddie> oops
[02:16] <wm_eddie> I meant to say xstroke is cool.
[02:16] <wm_eddie> but it took forever...
[02:17] <wm_eddie> lets see if I can do this with an ximput method.
[02:20] <wm_eddie> hmm, I've seem to have gotten keyboard focus stuck on this window.
[02:20] <slartibartfast> at least you can talk to other people.
[02:23] <riley> my cd-rom drive goes slower than it should (7x on a 52x drive), even with DMA turned on... is there another way to make it go faster?
[02:23] <riley> or could it just be sound juicer that's going slow?
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> CD ripping is not the same as simple data reading
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> a more expensive slower drive will rip faster
[02:24] <riley> oh ok because my cd-rom drive was $20 lol
[02:25] <riley> is there something i should look for in the specs that would help with that?
[02:25] <djtansey> has anyone here worked with acpi suspend? (especially if you have an ibm thinkpad. i have an x40 and just installed ubuntu. everything works except i seem to freeze when i come out of suspend. i get a display but i can't do anything.)
[02:25] <wm_eddie> this sucks
[02:25] <wm_eddie> I can't write a Y for the life of me.
[02:26] <wm_eddie> It doesn't even look like a T!!!
[02:26] <wm_eddie> stupid Xstroke
[02:27] <Jeedee> Is 14 of oct still planned for the release?
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:28] <Jeedee> Thank you
[02:28] <riley> so will that be a huge improvement over this one?
[02:28] <wm_eddie> I Can't wait!
[02:29] <wm_eddie> On that day, I'll remove the disgustingness that is Gentoo on my Desktop
[02:29] <Jeedee> Do you know if they are aware that the i386 vs the amd64 cds are really different? I could not install the amd64 on a laptop, there was a bunch of modules missing ect
[02:29] <riley> i've noticed alot of programs report missing libs when i try to run the config script, so i assume things like that will be fixed
[02:30] <jkg> hmm. has anyone had any problems installing mono (on Ubuntu, obviously)?
[02:30] <Jeedee> Is it in synaptic?
[02:30] <wm_eddie> riley: Make sure you check to see if a bug was filed, if it wasn't file it.
[02:30] <jkg> I've no idea, I just ran "apt-get install mono" and got some stuff about dependencies breaking
[02:30] <wm_eddie> jkg: I installed mono just fine on Ubuntu
[02:31] <jkg> wm_eddie: right, it might just be me then.
[02:31] <wm_eddie> jkg: Try apt-get install monodevelop
[02:31] <magnon> yeah, I had broken deps on mono today too
[02:31] <jkg> E: Couldn't find package monodevelop
[02:31] <wm_eddie> jkg: no, I remember something... like that. but I can't recall exactly.
[02:31] <wm_eddie> hmm...
[02:31] <wm_eddie> maybe it's temporary.
[02:31] <jkg> magnon: oh, right
[02:34] <slartibartfast> djtansey: hey again.  i have the t42p... acpi suspend doesn't work with my kernel apparently.
[02:35] <jgeorgeson> is swsusp packaged into the ubuntu kernel?
[02:35] <slartibartfast> here's a simple question about kernel names.
[02:36] <slartibartfast> uname -a returns Linux mono-pole <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 5 13:52:15 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:37] <slartibartfast> ubuntu bug 1055 (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055) tells me that sleep is fixed in <IP_ADDRESS>-10
[02:38] <slartibartfast> kamion mentioned something about this not being a kernel per se, but i had no idea what he was talking about
[02:38] <slartibartfast> any ideas?
[02:39] <wm_eddie> Time to learn tomorrow Kanji
[02:39] <wm_eddie> tomorrow's
[02:39] <slarti|away> Which ones?
[02:39] <wm_eddie> And forget English!
[02:40] <wm_eddie> The ones from page 267-297 in my book :)
[02:40] <slarti|away> Ah yes.  Page 274 is a killer.
[02:41] <wm_eddie> No it's not, it's just nishi and eiga :p
[02:41] <slarti|away> Oh, then you're using the wrong book.
[02:41] <slarti|away> Good luck.
[02:42] <wm_eddie> hehe.
[02:43] <phosphorgreen> any1 any ideas why nautilus wont detect a blank cd when inserted?
[02:44] <swoon> hi is there anyway I can set my eth0 to static from commandline so that on boot it will have those settings?, a file somewhere perhaps?
[02:45] <jgeorgeson> phosphorgreen, check the preferences in Computer->Desktop Preferences->Removable Media
[02:47] <phosphorgreen> swoon: view /etc/network/interfaces
[02:48] <phosphorgreen> jgeorgeson: says 'Perform action on blank CDs when inserted' (ticked), following action is used: autilus --no-desktop burn:
[02:48] <swoon> phosphorgreen: great but what lines would I enter to set gateway, dns, host name and stuff?
[02:48] <phosphorgreen> if i attempt to double-click the media in 'disks' under CD-ROM2
[02:49] <jgeorgeson> swoon, `man interfaces` for the syntax
[02:49] <phosphorgreen> beat me to it jgeorgeson ;)
[02:49] <gabe> Has anyone had any luck installing tseng's current monodevelop package?  Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but apt doesn't seem to get all the dependencies.
[02:49] <phosphorgreen> if i attempt to double-click the media in 'disks' under CD-ROM2 it reads Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted.
[02:50] <jgeorgeson> phosphorgreen, is it a blank CDR[W] ,? has it possibly been formatted with UDF?
[02:50] <phosphorgreen> no ive tried many types of different disks, all CDR
[02:51] <jgeorgeson> phoshorgreen, what if you open a nautilus window and type `burn:` in the location?
[02:52] <phosphorgreen> jgeorgeson: i dont seem to have a location bar in nautilus for gnome 2.8, is this normal?
[02:52] <phosphorgreen> btw is this all to do with spatial browsing? its a pain in the ass
[02:52] <jgeorgeson> phosphorgreen, the location missing is because of spatial, but i would have thought the burn interface still functional
[02:53] <jgeorgeson> phosphorgreen, is there a menu to open a file browser?
[02:53] <phosphorgreen> if i click in Computer 'Places' I can open the CD Creator window from there, which i guess is the same as burn:///
[02:53] <jgeorgeson> phosphorgreen, do you want to make the old browse interface the default (there's a pref checkbox for it)(sounds like that should be the same location)
[02:54] <phosphorgreen> jgeorgeson: yes, that would be great, where is the check box?
[02:54] <phosphorgreen> oh and why is spatial supposed to be better?
[02:55] <jgeorgeson> Computer->Desktop Preferences->File Management, Behavior Tab, under the first set of radio Buttons under "Behavior" is a checkbox "Always open in browser windows"
[02:56] <phosphorgreen> many thanks
[02:56] <jgeorgeson> because it more closely approximates how real folders are arranged in a filing cabinet (same location when you open the drawer, files in folder arranged the same way, etc)
[02:56] <phosphorgreen> uh-huh.
[02:57] <phosphorgreen> well it makes no sense to me.
[02:57] <jgeorgeson> well, they're right that it's closer to the real thing. but hardly anybody wants that same interface from their computer.
[02:57] <phosphorgreen> true
[02:57] <phosphorgreen> hey, does any1 know if burn:/// does changing of mp3 audio to cd audio on the fly?
[02:58] <jgeorgeson> it does not
[02:58] <jgeorgeson> at least it didn't the last I knew, may have changed
[02:59] <mjr> I don't think it burns anything other than data
[02:59] <booger> does any one know why my k3b is seeing my burner under devices yet says that it cannont find a suitable burner when I go to place a burn?
[02:59] <jimerich> anyone here who can help me retrieve my panels
[02:59] <LinuxJones> night all
[02:59] <booger> could it be the version 0.11.12
[02:59] <jimerich> help
[03:00] <booger> gnome-panel under terminal?
[03:00] <jimerich> yes
[03:00] <booger> did you log in and now your panels are missing?
[03:00] <jimerich> yes
[03:00] <booger> right click on the desktop
[03:00] <booger> select terminal
[03:01] <jimerich> yes I'm there
[03:01] <booger> under terminal su to root or sudo
[03:01] <booger> type
[03:01] <booger> ps -A
[03:01] <booger> look for gnome-panel
[03:01] <booger> kill it
[03:01] <booger> then exit
[03:01] <booger> back to your user account
[03:02] <booger>  and type gnome-panel
[03:02] <booger> this just happened to me AAMOF
[03:02] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[03:02] <jimerich> can't find a gnome-panel
[03:02] <booger> ok
[03:03] <booger> then exit back to your user account
[03:03] <booger> and simply type gnome-panel
[03:03] <booger> sometimes your gnome panel will be running but not display
[03:03] <jimerich> says bash: gnome-panel: command not found
[03:04] <booger> hmmm
[03:04] <jimerich> I suspect I created the problem by.....
[03:04] <jimerich> trying to uninstall and reinstall evolution
[03:04] <jimerich> I didn't notice a problem until I rebooted
[03:04] <booger> let me see
[03:05] <jimerich> I can't remember the name of the graphical program i used to do this
[03:05] <jgeorgeson> jimerich, `dpkg -l gnome-panel`
[03:05] <jgeorgeson> jimerich, run that command in the terminal
[03:06] <booger> try /usr/bin/gnome-panel
[03:06] <booger> oh sorry
[03:06] <jimerich> says:...
[03:06] <booger> you probably want to listen to JG, I's still a noob myself
[03:06] <jimerich> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[03:06] <jimerich> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[03:06] <jimerich> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:06] <jimerich> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[03:06] <jimerich> +++-[03:06] <jgeorgeson> ;)
[03:06] <jimerich> pn  gnome-panel    <none>         (no description available)
[03:07] <jgeorgeson> jimerich, looks like it was uninstalled. run `sudo apt-get install gnome-panel` to get it back
[03:07] <booger> could someone give me a hand with my k3b issue?
[03:07] <swoon> is there a command line browser like lynx installed in ubuntu by default?
[03:07] <swoon> if not whats the fastest way to install one real fast? dont hav emuch time
[03:07] <booger> FYI for other noobs, when I installed k3b using sudo I ran into errors
[03:08] <booger> so I enabled the root account (Im' too used to having one) and reinstalled k3b
[03:08] <jkg> swoon: w3m might be installed, otherwise apt-get install w3m
[03:08] <booger> all of the errors went away, including the DCOP error
[03:08] <jgeorgeson> booger, could be a permissions issue. i think i've read to run `sudo k3b` or `sudo k3bsetup` once first so that the permissions get set right
[03:09] <booger> really? I tried running k3bsetup with root but nothing happens
[03:09] <booger> let me give it a whirl
[03:09] <booger> tnx JG
[03:09] <jgeorgeson> swoon, or the links or lynx or elinks package, whatever your preference is
[03:10] <jgeorgeson> booger, i don't do much cd burning in linux, so that's about as far as i can help
[03:11] <jimerich> thanks jgeorgeson, worked like magic
[03:11] <phosphorgreen> is there some rule or something in gnome 2.8 saying that the cdrw has to be cdrom1? Nautilus just doesn't recognise my cdrw as a cdrw, it thinks its a cdrom
[03:11] <jgeorgeson> jimerich, you may also want to run `sudo apt-get check` to see if anything else is missing
[03:12] <jimerich> will do,tnx
[03:17] <phosphorgreen> any1 have the same issue as me: nautilus doesn't detect blank cds
[03:18] <avar> does ubuntu have some graphical frontend for apt-get?
[03:18] <phosphorgreen> avar: yes, synaptic
[03:18] <ranman> avar: synaptic..
[03:18] <swoon> from recovery command line can I get to runlevel 5 ?
[03:18] <phosphorgreen> why runlevel 5? u sure not 2?
[03:18] <ranman> ctl-D
[03:18] <mjr> by the way, were the known amd64 bugs weeded out from the socket 939 ones, anyone?
[03:19] <swoon> phosphorgreen:  whatever I need to be to install the nvidia driver
[03:19] <ranman> if you are in recovery, when you get out, then you go to the default runlevel..
[03:19] <phosphorgreen> I did this:
[03:19] <phosphorgreen> init 1
[03:19] <phosphorgreen> took me to initlevel 1
[03:19] <phosphorgreen> then init 2
[03:19] <phosphorgreen> took me back to gdm
[03:19] <phosphorgreen> and the nvidia drivers 'splash' screen came up
[03:19] <ranman> init 2 is default for Debian.. It is the runlevel 5 for Redhat..
[03:20] <swoon> hmm I need to install the driver without going into X first...
[03:20] <swoon> so if I just boot normal it starts x
[03:20] <avar> are there screenshots of this "synaptic" avalible somewhere?
[03:20] <phosphorgreen> swoon: did you apt-get the nvidia driver from the ubuntu repository or did u get the nvidia drivers from the nvidia.com site?
[03:21] <swoon> phosphorgreen: from nvidia.com
[03:21] <ygnome> avar: just load it, and see for yourself...
[03:21] <swoon> should I apt-get it?
[03:21] <phosphorgreen> swoon: i have apt-getted my current nvidia drivers (they appear to be the nvidia.com drivers).
[03:21] <avar> ygnome: i dont have ubuntu;), i was going to install it for a friend, thought mainline debian might be a little too much.
[03:21] <moyogo> avar: Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic
[03:21] <phosphorgreen> made a huge difference to 3d graphics
[03:21] <swoon> phosphorgreen:  what would the command be: apt-get nvidia ?
[03:22] <phosphorgreen> go into synaptic and search for nvidia
[03:22] <ygnome> avar: I'd agree with that if your friend is a linux newbie.
[03:22] <moyogo> avar: http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html
[03:22] <swoon> phosphorgreen: just "synaptic nvidia" ?
[03:22] <phosphorgreen> err, no, click on Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic
[03:22] <phosphorgreen> and search for nvidia within the program
[03:23] <swoon> phosphorgreen:  I cant get into X until I instll the nvidia driver see
[03:23] <avar> moyogo: nice, looks cool. And it will work just the same for debian packages if i change sources.list to something like debian testing ?
[03:23] <phosphorgreen> swoon: no, go into x and forget the nvidia driver you got from nvidia.com
[03:23] <phosphorgreen> use apt
[03:23] <phosphorgreen> it is your friend
[03:23] <booger> that's the problem, no devices found within k3b because I haven't run k3bsetup
[03:23] <booger> damn
[03:23] <ygnome> avar: it will, but u shouldn't do that
[03:23] <moyogo> avar: yeah synaptic should work on debian, just like apt does
[03:23] <avar> ygnome: why?
[03:23] <swoon> phosphorgreen:  I cannot use x without the new driver! simply cannot see the screen without the new driver...
[03:24] <avar> well assuming i want to change the entire system to mainline debian of course.
[03:24] <booger> has anyone here isntalled k3b using the root account??
[03:24] <ygnome> avar:  differnet sources will conflict
[03:24] <jgeorgeson> swoon, synaptic is a gui tool, from command line, you could use `apt-get update; apt-cache search nvidia` and then `apt-get install <name> using whatever package name you got from the apt-cache command
[03:24] <moyogo> avar: do you mean to use debian apt sources in ubuntu?
[03:24] <swoon> great thank you jgeorgeson
[03:24] <jgeorgeson> swoon, i'm surprised the open source nv driver doesn't work at all on your card
[03:24] <swoon> brb
[03:24] <ygnome> avar: I'm not sure an 'upgrade to debian' will work.
[03:24] <avar> I mean can one change an ubuntu install to a debian one,
[03:24] <avar> hmm..
[03:24] <moyogo> avar: the opposite has been done
[03:25] <phosphorgreen> swoon: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings
[03:25] <phosphorgreen> that should install all the nvidia stuff
[03:25] <ygnome> avar: if you have time, and know what u are doing, it _might_ work, but I strongly doubt it.
[03:25] <moyogo> avar: why not just install debian?
[03:25] <ranman> swoon: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings
[03:25] <phosphorgreen> but you should get X even without the nvidi drivers
[03:25] <jgeorgeson> avar, the problem is packages of the same name and version in different repositories, apt doesn't handle it well. if you enable the universe repo you will get most of the debian testing archive (i think testing is the right one)
[03:25] <avar> moyogo: Well i was going to use ubuntu, but having the option to switch to debian later would be nice.
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> avar: you won't want to switch, and it's not recommended
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> that said
[03:26] <moyogo> avar: hmmm, but ubuntu is sort of based on debian
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> it's technically vaguely possible
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> I have done it to a point
[03:27] <jgeorgeson> HrdwrBoB, he was probably just bs'ing, but i read a post on /. of a guy saying he installed apt on redhat, and converted to a debian box with crufty rh stuff left over
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> um
[03:27] <Phr0stByte> HrdwrBoB: me to - by accident (first exoerience with apt-get)
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> you might be able to do that
[03:27] <avar> HrdwrBoB: how does ubuntu's repository compare with debians? A lot of software?
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> but you would have to be some sort of retard :)
[03:27] <booger> yea , you can also install portage on RH
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> avar: it has most everything you need
[03:28] <Kosai> avar: They've rebuilt the debian repository for ubuntu, and named it "universe".
[03:28] <Ex-Cyber> universe is a snapshot, correct?
[03:28] <Ex-Cyber> i.e. it doesn't track debian unstable?
[03:29] <Ex-Cyber> not continually anyhow
[03:29] <ranman> HrdwrBob: You are definitely someone that I would go to when I need my spirits lifted.. haha
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> yes and it was never unstable
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> it was from testing
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> ranman: I'm a very straightforward person :)
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> while universe isn't actively supported, it does accept patches to fix things
[03:31] <booger> any way I can get rid of this ICE shit
[03:31] <booger> it kept me from loggin in earlier
[03:31] <booger> so I renamed it in the failsafe
[03:32] <booger> now it
[03:32] <booger> rearing it's ugly head on me
[03:32] <booger> I'm getting disgusted can you tell? no sound k3b is close yet far from working, damn
[03:32] <Phr0stByte> booger really knows how to fill those buffers, yeah?
[03:33] <booger> sorry
[03:33] <booger> ;)
[03:33] <jgeorgeson> booger, you mean icewm? `apt-get remove icewm; dpkg -P icewm` and I'm just guessing on the package name
[03:33] <booger> no the ICEauthority
[03:34] <booger> I wnet through that whole bit to install k3b, it didn't work
[03:34] <booger> so I enabled root, k3b now works
[03:34] <booger> without error
[03:34] <jgeorgeson> booger, when running as root?
[03:34] <booger> but, no burner device found
[03:34] <booger> no
[03:34] <booger> if I run as root, it finds the burner but doesn't fine cdrdao
[03:34] <booger> so I'm screwed both ways
[03:35] <booger> I can't get k3bsetup to load at all
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> booger: any reason your hell-bent on k3b?
[03:36] <booger> I've tried em all, k3b is well worth it, IMO
[03:36] <alexg> DMA doesn't seem to be working on my optical drive and the IDE hard drive.  hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX doesn't work.
[03:36] <alexg> However, the proper IDE module is loaded.
[03:36] <Phr0stByte> booger: Do you use Gnome?
[03:36] <booger> I need dvd burner/copying  capability
[03:36] <booger> oh yes, Gnome only
[03:36] <jgeorgeson> booger, have you checked the ubuntu bugzilla for k3b bugs? maybe you're hitting one none of us know about (seems not too many other people here use it)
[03:37] <booger> no I haven't, I will though.
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> booger: What do you need to do that Nautilus burning cant do?
[03:37] <alexg> Help getting DMA working?
[03:37] <jgeorgeson> Phr0stByte, I would guess the DVD burning
[03:37] <booger> can it decode mp3 to cdda, copy dvd's to iso format?
[03:38] <jgeorgeson> alexg, anything relevant in dmesg or /var/log/messages?
[03:38] <bob2> ubuntu doesn't include mp3 decoders.
[03:38] <Phr0stByte> jgeorgeson: It does burn DVDs (.ISOs anyway...)
[03:38] <jgeorgeson> Phr0stByte, neat0
[03:38] <Phr0stByte> and data
[03:39] <jgeorgeson> bob2, i thought it did if you enable universe
[03:39] <alexg> jgeorgeson: Not really.  Just: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 and ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[03:39] <alexg> Like I said, the proper IDE module is loaded (in my case via82cxxx)
[03:40] <booger> I also d-load a concert or movie from time to time, k3b makes it easy
[03:40] <alexg> But hdparm -d1 isn't permitted on either of the IDE devices in my machine.
[03:40] <jgeorgeson> alexg, you are running it with sudo, or in a root shell?
[03:40] <booger> Can I delete the ICEauthority file in my /home?
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:40] <jgeorgeson> booger, y
[03:40] <booger> cool
[03:41] <alexg> Sudo, of course.
[03:41] <Phr0stByte> Nautilus burning is simpler - believe me. Try it once and you will laugh at the simplicity
[03:41] <alexg>  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc -> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[03:42] <jgeorgeson> alexg, i assumed so, just thought i'd check. i don't much about tweaking hardware settings
[03:42] <booger> Let me give it try PB
[03:43] <jgeorgeson> Phr0stByte, does it do audio CDs?
[03:43] <jgeorgeson> booger, the gnome CD ripping tool is sound-juicer
[03:43] <Phr0stByte> jgeorgeson: Have not tried that yet - I was using k3b before
[03:43] <booger> OK
[03:44] <booger> I'm using the nautilus burner app now
[03:46] <booger> man, that is simple
[03:46] <jgeorgeson> Phr0stByte, last I remember, it would burn audio CDs, but is a less than ideal tool for it. as you can't specify what order the tracks go (guess it just does alphabetical)
[03:46] <booger> can you do cd-text?
[03:46] <booger> PB
[03:46] <booger> that was quick, all done
[03:46] <jgeorgeson> Phr0stByte, but yeah, data CDs in nautilus-cd-burner are so much more straight-forward
[03:50] <booger> My car cd-player displays cd-text which is nice since all I do is sharpie the band name on the disc
[03:50] <PenguinBoy> can someone tell me what I am doing wrong...signed into root....apt-get install thunderbird....Reading Package Lists....DOne....Building Dependency tree...Done...E: Couldn;t fin package thunderbird
[03:50] <jgeorgeson> PenguinBoy, mozilla-thunderbird
[03:50] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[03:50] <slarti|away> yep.
[03:50] <booger> so I don't have to print/sharpie the song names
[03:50] <slarti|away> you can always search the packages.debian.org site, although there should still be a better way.
[03:50] <jgeorgeson> booger, if there isn't a checkbox for it, then man nautilus-cd-burner
[03:50] <PenguinBoy> jgeorgeson...works like a charm...thanks a bunch!
[03:50] <jgeorgeson> well, i'm outta here folks
[03:50] <PenguinBoy> i just installed Ubuntu today.....I love it!
[03:50] <booger> l8R JG
[03:50] <alexg> Hmm... There's some posts in the ubuntu-users archive saying I should edit /etc/hdparm.conf.
[03:50] <alexg> Anyone know if that will help?
[03:50] <alexg> It doesn't seem like it would, given that the proper module is loaded and everything.
[03:50] <alexg> I think I might need to recompile my kernel :\
[03:50] <xskoulax> Where is grubs config file in ubuntu?
[03:50] <booger> /boot/grub/grub.conf
[03:50] <xskoulax> thx
[03:50] <booger> one last question for the night
[03:50] <alexg> On my system it's /boot/grub/menu.lst (strangely).
[03:50] <alexg> I had to hunt for it earlier.
[03:50] <xskoulax> ahhh
[03:50] <booger>  my audio card has been detected, mp3's play but no sound
[03:50] <xskoulax> i was just about to say i can't see it
[03:50] <xskoulax> booger, have you checked your mixer settings
[03:50] <phosphorgreen> any1 know any good gtk based cd burners?
[03:50] <booger> I'm sorry, that's on my latop running fedora
[03:51] <booger> green, good luck
[03:51] <booger> I've tried and I've died
[03:52] <mjr> phosphorgreen, it's pretty much only gcombust to my knowledge (as far as general purpose burning software goes)
[03:52] <mjr> oh yeah, xcdroast is gtk 1.2 too
[03:52] <phosphorgreen> i used gtoaster which was fine, but it wont install on ubuntu
[03:52] <mjr> ah, good point
[03:53] <mjr> I'd completely forgotten about that, my bad
[03:53] <booger> pigeon
[03:53] <booger> for gtk
[03:53] <smeg__>  i keep getting an  "/dev/dsp : no such device"  when i try to start gnome, it is in the  .xsesson  it comes up to the Ubuntu login but hangs when i try to stat gnome any sugestions how to fix it?
[03:53] <booger> not sure if it's still being maintained though
[03:53] <phosphorgreen> any idea why new apps installed by synaptic dont always make an icon in your applications list?
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> phosphorgreen: that's depenant on the application
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> if you think it should be in the menu
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> file an enhancement bugreport against that package
[03:54] <booger> xsk, what's the command to turn the volume up for my volume mixers?
[03:55] <booger> I'm sure it's a volume issue
[03:55] <mjr> phosphorgreen, gtoaster installs from universe just fine for me
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> booger: right click on the speaker in the top right and start the volume control
[03:55] <booger> can gtoaster handle dvd burning
[03:55] <booger> I've gone through just about all of them, no luck
[03:56] <booger> HB, but I'll look again
[03:56] <Phr0stByte> booger: k3b is not ready for use yet - I just tried it. Very buggy
[03:56] <booger> Phrost, thanks for the info, I'll have to weight my options
[03:57] <booger> nautilus did burn my cd quickly
[03:57] <PenguinBoy> Does Ubuntu not come with KDE???
[03:57] <booger> hell no, I wish
[03:57] <smeg__> dose Ubuntu come with any other window manages?
[03:58] <PenguinBoy> can you apt-get KDE?
[03:58] <booger> yea, but the problem is that you can't install the normal way
[03:58] <booger> theres a faq you can follow on the ubuntu website under support/howtos
[03:58] <booger> I tried and died
[03:58] <PenguinBoy> is it difficult?
[03:59] <PenguinBoy> if you dies...then I would certainly crash in flames
[03:59] <PenguinBoy> died
[03:59] <booger> You may have better luck, and I'm a noob, so the odds are against me from the get go
[03:59] <booger> yea, this is killing me
[03:59] <PenguinBoy> boog....how long in Debian?
[03:59] <booger> I rely on k3b heavily
[03:59] <booger> but I have kde
[03:59] <booger> two days
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> what distro before?
[04:00] <booger> gentoo
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> me SuSE 9.0
[04:00] <booger> love it but installing it takes a while...
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> i LOVE Ubuntu!
[04:00] <booger> I keep hearing good things about Suse
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> this apt-get is amazing
[04:00] <PenguinBoy> SuSE is nice!
[04:00] <booger> yes, RPM hell is not a nice place to be
[04:01] <phosphorgreen> any idea why this would happen when trying to enable dma? : root@jabba:/media # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[04:01] <phosphorgreen> /dev/hdc:
[04:01] <phosphorgreen>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:01] <phosphorgreen>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:01] <phosphorgreen>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:01] <zenwhen> It appears running Ubuntu is going to be impossible on my machine. Configuring a dialup connection is not possible and getting X to work is not possible. For me at least. Both were five minute jobs in Slackware. Anyone configured an Nvidia 6800 or a Dialup modem in Ubuntu?
[04:01] <booger> I chose Ubuntu because it's Debian/apt.deb based and gnome 2.8
[04:01] <PenguinBoy> me 2
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> booger: you might want to check this out: http://burnit.sunsite.dk
[04:02] <booger> If I could get k3b running, I'd be set
[04:02] <booger> I do love the package system in deb
[04:02] <PenguinBoy> is there agnome website similiar to kde-look.org?
[04:02] <booger> very nice and very fast
[04:02] <booger> gnome-look.org
[04:02] <PenguinBoy> LOL
[04:02] <PenguinBoy> DUH!
[04:02] <booger> but I think art.gnome.org has more
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> really
[04:03] <booger> it's no where near as large as it's kde counterpart
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> i prefer KDE
[04:03] <PenguinBoy> do you think they will be considering including KDE in the bxt Ubuntu release?
[04:04] <booger> I did at first but I've come to love Gnome
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[04:04] <booger> maybe
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> perhaps I will as well
[04:04] <booger> I hear that yoper will be including gnome in a future release
[04:04] <booger> they say yoper is screaming fast, blazing
[04:04] <booger> but it's kde only
[04:04] <PenguinBoy> never used it
[04:05] <booger> neither have I
[04:05] <booger> Well, I will keep pluging away on getting k3b installed..
[04:05] <PenguinBoy> I went from RedHat 7.1 to RedHat 9.0 to Mandrake 9.1 to Fedora Core 1 to Fedora Core 2 to SuSE 9.0 to ubuntu
[04:06] <booger> dang
[04:06] <booger> you must have some free time on your hands
[04:06] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:06] <booger> :>
[04:06] <PenguinBoy> that covers 3 years time
[04:06] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:06] <booger> you have a lot more experience than me then
[04:06] <booger> my first distro was Xandros
[04:07] <PenguinBoy> did you like it
[04:07] <booger> I wanted to replace a WinNT box at work and make Xan the PDC
[04:07] <booger> yep
[04:07] <booger> it's debian based and rock solid
[04:07] <PenguinBoy> kewl
[04:07] <booger> it's also a turn-key app, at least for the small company I work for
[04:08] <booger> It's been up and running for almost two years now
[04:08] <booger> acting as a file server and pdc
[04:08] <defendguin> yawn
[04:08] <booger> same here
[04:08] <booger> I gotta run, later
[04:12] <defendguin> once ubuntu has a final release will it update packages when gnome 2.8.1 and 2.8.2 are released?
[04:24] <tseng> gabe: apt-get build-dep monodevelop will fix
[04:24] <tseng> gabe: im not in a rush to fix atm, lot of schoolwork etc
[04:31] <bubbles> how do I get alsa to be using my audigy2 instead of my onboard audio-card?
[04:31] <alexg> Anyone have any ideas on how to get DMA working on my IDE devices?  The proper modules are loaded (Specifically, via82cxxx), but sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc says the op is not allowed.
[04:31] <joem> tseng, etc=watching ATHF
[04:32] <alexg> lspci gives some stuff like "0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0282" that I think is indicative of whatever the problem is.
[04:32] <alexg> But aside from making sure the proper IDE module is loaded, I don't know what else to do.
[04:32] <t35t0r> alexg, what's the mobo
[04:32] <alexg> Asus A8V.
[04:32] <alexg> It worked under Gentoo.
[04:33] <t35t0r> it should work ..
[04:33] <alexg> All I had to do was make sure via82cxxx was in and I was golden.
[04:33] <t35t0r> are you sure it's /dev/hdc ?
[04:33] <alexg> The only other /dev/hdX in my machine is hda.
[04:33] <alexg> It's my dvd burner.
[04:33] <alexg> Neither has DMA on.
[04:33] <t35t0r> hehe you're primary is the dvd burner
[04:34] <t35t0r> hda should be hdd
[04:34] <t35t0r> hdb could be a optical drive
[04:34] <alexg> It was that way in my old box (which I didn't put together) and in this one (which I did).
[04:34] <alexg> The letters don't matter to me.
[04:34] <alexg> DMA matters.
[04:34] <t35t0r> hahahahahhahaahhahaha
[04:35] <t35t0r> that's a strange configuration ..computers don't like being thrown curve balls
[04:35] <alexg> It worked just fine for years on the old machine.
[04:35] <alexg> It's worked just fine for the few months I've had the new one.
[04:36] <t35t0r> unless its diskless
[04:36] <alexg> In any case, this isn't helping me figure out why it's not allowing me to turn on DMA despite via82cxxx being loaded.
[04:36] <t35t0r> it might not use that ide controller
[04:36] <t35t0r> lspci | grep IDE
[04:37] <t35t0r> usually it will tell you the IDE
[04:37] <t35t0r> i
[04:37] <alexg> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[04:37] <alexg> LIke I said.
[04:37] <alexg> The right module is in.
[04:37] <alexg> I swear to you.
[04:37] <t35t0r> ya but you were talking about "0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0282" that I think is indicative of whatever the problem is.
[04:37] <t35t0r> that is not your IDE controller
[04:37] <t35t0r> that's probably the WIFI controller
[04:37] <t35t0r> for wifi upgrade
[04:38] <alexg> That makes sense.
[04:38] <t35t0r> if i had to guess
[04:38] <alexg> But that it recognizes the IDE controller just makes it all stranger.
[04:38] <alexg> But sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (or /dev/hda) still leads to HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:38] <t35t0r> alexg, are you sure your IDE cable going into the drive can support DMA?
[04:38] <alexg> Yes.
[04:39] <alexg> I've used DMA on both those devices in the past.
[04:39] <t35t0r> lsmod | grep via
[04:39] <alexg> With Gentoo it Just Worked (assuming I had via82cxxx compiled in).
[04:39] <alexg> ALSA modules, via82cxxx              14256  1, ide modules, sata modules.
[04:39] <t35t0r> are you sure its enabled in the bios?
[04:39] <alexg> Yes.
[04:39] <alexg> I haven't messed with the BIOS in weeks.
[04:40] <alexg> That might be something to check though.
[04:40] <t35t0r> check it first
[04:40] <t35t0r> hdc means first device on secondary controller ?
[04:40] <t35t0r> is that where yours is ?
[04:40] <alexg> Yep.
[04:41] <bubbles> anyone tell me how I can get read-write priveledges to my vfat partition?
[04:42] <t35t0r> alexg: grep DMA /boot/config-<tab>
[04:43] <t35t0r> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
[04:43] <t35t0r> CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y
[04:43] <alexg> Present.
[04:43] <t35t0r> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
[04:43] <alexg> Resent.
[04:43] <t35t0r> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA100=m (or y)
[04:43] <alexg> Present
[04:43] <t35t0r> CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y
[04:44] <t35t0r> CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_DMA=m (or y)
[04:44] <alexg> Just CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA=y
[04:44] <alexg> IDEDMA_AUTO is there.
[04:44] <warty> Hey
[04:44] <t35t0r> well that was from a 2.4.22 kernel
[04:44] <warty> Guess who needs some help
[04:44] <alexg> Eww.
[04:44] <warty> why wont my name change
[04:44] <alexg> This is the <IP_ADDRESS> that comes with Ubuntu.
[04:44] <JaymzRR> there we go
[04:44] <alexg> SCSI DMA is in.
[04:45] <t35t0r> i don't have a 2.6 machine i can look at
[04:45] <alexg> But my Sata drives aren't the problem (they're fine).
[04:45] <alexg> Just these two IDE devices.
[04:45] <JaymzRR> who wants to help poor me?
[04:45] <partially> anyone know why my SATA drive will not mount at boot, but if i run "mount -a" after linux has started, they mount fine
[04:45] <socomm> JaymzRR, just ask.
[04:45] <JaymzRR> Im just starting out with Ubuntu as my first Linux
[04:45] <socomm> Ask, and ye shall receivie.
[04:45] <JaymzRR> well I cant get anything installed for one lol
[04:45] <t35t0r> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=m or y ?
[04:46] <partially> JaymzRR: whats the problem: specifics
[04:46] <t35t0r> he's not root
[04:46] <t35t0r> he doesn't know what root is
[04:46] <socomm> JaymzRR, to install software you'll need to use the `sudo' command.
[04:47] <partially> you can use "sudo su" to get a root terminal
[04:47] <socomm> JaymzRR, for instance `sudo make install' or `sudo apt-get install something'
[04:47] <socomm> partially, Ubuntu is rootless, don't think you can really su.
[04:47] <partially> sudo su works :p
[04:47] <partially> su alone does not though
[04:48] <t35t0r> sudo /bin/bash ?
[04:48] <t35t0r> heh
[04:48] <t35t0r> is there an /etc/sudoers ?
[04:48] <socomm> t35t0r, yes.
[04:48] <JaymzRR> wait so like how would I go about installing AIM
[04:48] <t35t0r> alexg: dmesg | grep VIA
[04:48] <Lathiat> partially: that is intentionally
[04:49] <socomm> JaymzRR, run `gaim'
[04:49] <Lathiat> partially: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[04:49] <partially> Lathiat: I know, but i like the ability to get a root terminal when i am installing a bunch of software or what not
[04:50] <t35t0r> alexg: or dmesg | grep VT
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> partially: sudo -s
[04:50] <t35t0r> alexg: or dmesg | grep vt
[04:50] <t35t0r> alexg: or dmesg | grep via
[04:50] <Lathiat> partially: Which you can do by typing sudo su
[04:51] <Lathiat> if you want to set a root password you can, it tells you how in that aticle
[04:53] <vegetax> hi,just a curiosity
[04:54] <vegetax> what editor/ide ubunto hackers use to code python?
[04:54] <gabbman> anyone know a source for gnomesword debs ?
[04:54] <khronic> damn totem...wont let me view my pr0n
[04:56] <skreet> If I have a sata onboard (sda) using as my primary drive, a RAID card with 2 sata drives, and an external USB drive, how do I know which sd* is which? Also, is there a way to mount a RAID 0 array?
[04:58] <Skreet> Guess not, eh? :)
[05:00] <Lathiat> Skreet: heh
[05:00] <Lathiat> Skreet: well you could look in the device manager
[05:00] <Lathiat> as for the raid card, it depends on the chipset and whether that particular one in supported
[05:00] <Lathiat> if you can tell em the model/chipset i might be able to tell you
[05:02] <alexg> t35t0r: Distracted.  Will get to it in a moment.
[05:06] <Lathiat> Can someone run gst-launch-0.8 videotestsrc ! smpte ! xvimagesink for me and tell me if it works? just wondering if its a problem here or the current gstreamer packages in ubuntu
[05:07] <ranman> lathiat: stay away from gstreamer.. never got it to work, on any linux...
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> wfm
[05:08] <Lathiat> ranman: I think not :)
[05:08] <Lathiat> thanks for the heads up but it works fine for me
[05:09] <Lathiat> playback issues for some formats aside, but thats because they are still in development
[05:09] <Lathiat> if you want to watch movies right now its probably better to use mplayer or something but otherwise gstreamer is pretty funky
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> gstreamer is very cool
[05:09] <Lathiat> it is
[05:09] <PenguinBoy> night
[05:10] <Lathiat> some of the plugins rock
[05:10] <Lathiat> videotestsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! agingTV ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink is cool
[05:10] <Lathiat> using that for a media assignment im doing, wnated an older looking video
[05:10] <Lathiat> its perfect :)
[05:21] <alexg> t35t0r: VP_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:0f.1 for dmesg | grep vt
[05:21] <t35t0r> anything for dmesg | grep VIA or dmesg | grep via ?
[05:22] <t35t0r> look at the entire dmesg output for errors
[05:24] <alexg> Yeah, I am.  O] ne sec.
[05:24] <t35t0r> dmesg | more might help
[05:24] <alexg> dmesg | grep via doesn't put out anything IDE related.
[05:24] <alexg> Just some sata and ALSA stuff.
[05:24] <alexg> dmesg | less.  Less is more.  Only better.
[05:24] <t35t0r> hehe whatever
[05:25] <alexg> I'd already done that earlier today.
[05:25] <alexg> Nothing suspicious other than the "Hey, I'm using PIO" message.
[05:26] <zenwhen> Well, I failed completely to ever get a dialup connection in Ubuntu. At some point it even stopped being able to communicate witht he modem.
[05:26] <zenwhen> I even reinstalled and it couldnt.
[05:26] <zenwhen> Yet Im using it in Slackware right now.
[05:41] <sp_> #haiku
[05:41] <sp_> connect #haiku
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> sp_: wtf are you trying to do?
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> I think you want /join #haiku
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> .. ok
[05:42] <zenwhen> Well, I failed completely to ever get a dialup connection in Ubuntu. At some point it even stopped being able to communicate with the modem. Anyone have any info?
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: tried wvdial?
[05:43] <zenwhen> its not installed
[05:44] <zenwhen> Dont know how I would instlal it without an internet connection
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> it's not?
[05:44] <zenwhen> nope
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> it was when I installed the daily from 3 days ag
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> o
[05:45] <zenwhen> Oh
[05:45] <zenwhen> well i dont ahve the daily
[05:45] <zenwhen> I have whatever I downloaded
[05:45] <zenwhen> That took me a week
[05:45] <bob2> "doesn't work"?
[05:45] <bob2> what do your logs say?
[05:45] <zenwhen> It varies.
[05:45] <bob2> does the modem make noise?
[05:45] <zenwhen> Sometimes yes.
[05:45] <zenwhen> At this point no.
[05:46] <bob2> what command are you using to start it?
[05:46] <zenwhen> pon
[05:46] <zenwhen> It just stopped working altogther.
[05:46] <zenwhen> Before it just failed to handshake.
[05:47] <bob2> what have you changed since it last worked?
[05:49] <zenwhen> I rebooted
[05:49] <zenwhen> The node for ppp was gone
[05:49] <zenwhen> I had to recreate it
[05:49] <zenwhen> it never worked again
[05:50] <bob2> er
[05:50] <bob2> you don't need to create it
[05:50] <daniels> how did you create it?
[05:50] <daniels> 'sudo mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0'?
[05:50] <zenwhen> Um
[05:50] <zenwhen> Yes I did need to create it
[05:50] <daniels> yes
[05:50] <zenwhen> I was told that I HAD to when I tried to execut PON
[05:50] <daniels> but if you created it wrongly, that can destroy ppp's ability to work
[05:50] <zenwhen> execute*
[05:50] <bob2> doesn't the ppp module create it?
[05:51] <zenwhen> I cretaed it how ubuntu told me to
[05:51] <daniels> bob2: it does now. his install is out of date, remember?
[05:51] <zenwhen> I wish it did
[05:51] <daniels> zenwhen: what does ls -l /dev/ppp say?
[05:51] <bob2> ah
[05:51] <daniels> zenwhen: it does now, the bug was fixed a couple of days ago
[05:51] <zenwhen> The heck if I know. Im inslackware. I couldnt talk to you if I was in ubuntu.
[05:51] <zenwhen> Well Ill have to wait for the oficcial release.
[05:52] <zenwhen> official*
[05:52] <Lathiat> hey daniels
[05:55] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:55] <Lathiat> hey fabbione
[05:55] <fabbione> hey Lathiat
[05:55] <evilmegaman> Hello
[05:55] <evilmegaman> I just have a general question
[05:55] <Lathiat> shoot
[05:56] <evilmegaman> Does Ubuntu have an easy installer? Like it's not all command prompt like gentoo is it?
[05:56] <Lathiat> Is there anythign special i have to do for a proper ubuntu package vs debian package
[05:56] <Lathiat> extra flags in the control file or anything?
[05:56] <bob2> evilmegaman: it asks about 6 questions
[05:56] <theantix> evilmegaman, it's not pretty and graphical, but easy
[05:56] <alexg> Gentoo gets by on good docs.  Ubuntu doesn't make you build the whole thing yourself.  It asks some questions.
[05:56] <alexg> But not many.
[05:56] <Lathiat> i noticed some origin: Ubuntu and stuff in apt-cache shwo of some packages
[05:56] <evilmegaman> wow :) I don't expect pretty with linux
[05:56] <evilmegaman> ;)
[05:56] <bob2> Lathiat: that's so the bug reports go to the right place
[05:56] <bob2> for people using reportbug, at least
[05:56] <Lathiat> bob2: ahh
[05:56] <Lathiat> rightio
[05:57] <Lathiat> Just im building some packages wondering if theres anything i should change?
[05:57] <Lathiat> i noticed the init script stuff
[05:57] <theantix> evilmegaman, when you've install it, you'll find LOTS of pretty :-)
[05:57] <evilmegaman> Oh and I can partition with it right? like make some partitions out of unallocated space or do I do I do that before I use the installation disc?
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> evilmegaman: yes you can do that
[05:57] <evilmegaman> Ok :)
[05:57] <evilmegaman> awesome :D
[05:58] <evilmegaman> 11 GB's enough for the install right?
[05:58] <fabbione> evilmegaman: 2 GB are more than ok
[05:58] <fabbione> 11 GB you can play a lot ;)
[05:58] <evilmegaman> Oh ok :)
[05:59] <Wsquared> Is there a gnome equivalent of the program kile? (An integrated Latex environment)
[05:59] <bob2> "emacs".
[05:59] <Wsquared> :-)
[05:59] <evilmegaman> should I have downloaded the the live CD or the warty CD?
[06:00] <bob2> evilmegaman: warty.
[06:00] <bob2> assuming you want to install it.
[06:00] <evilmegaman> alright cool :)
[06:03] <Wsquared> I guess I'll give kile a try... but I think this is the first intrusion of kstuff into my Ubuntu system.
[06:03] <theantix> anyone know if the live CD (on umn.edu dated oct 2) usable now?
[06:10] <q2> hey
[06:12] <crimsun> hullo
[06:14] <acf> so, guys, get this
[06:14] <acf> i want to mount some /dev/hd____ partitions from inside vmware. which i can do just fine, using mount and all. no big deal. works great. or almost great...
[06:15] <acf> i have to run mknod on each boot (i'm sure there's a way around this, i'll get to that soon)....
[06:15] <acf> but the real issue is that i can't run mount on any partitions until after i run fdisk on the drive
[06:15] <acf> like
[06:15] <acf> i don't have to *do* anything in fdisk
[06:15] <acf> i can just ctrl-c
[06:15] <bob2> that's a vmware bug, almost certainly
[06:15] <crimsun> what version of vmware workstation are you using?
[06:16] <acf> but otherwise, it says something like "mount: /dev/hda4 special device not present" or something
[06:16] <acf> 4.5.2-8848
[06:16] <crimsun> i was using ubuntu in workstation 4.5.2 with no problems
[06:16] <acf> hmm
[06:16] <acf> really?
[06:16] <bob2> a friend of mine installed ok with 4.5.2, too
[06:16] <acf> the only other real thing i'm having is that it thinks single clicks are double-clicks
[06:16] <acf> but other than that, yeah, it's good
[06:17] <crimsun> have you installed vmware-tools or whatnot?
[06:17] <crimsun> that greatly improved performance for me
[06:17] <ish> Which package contains man pages for fork(2), etc...
[06:17] <crimsun> manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/fork.2.gz
[06:18] <toyowheelin> hello all
[06:18] <acf> nope. i gave it a quick go the other night, but it didn't like the default kernel
[06:18] <acf> haven't messed with it since. i'll do that now.
[06:18] <crimsun> ish: manpages-dev
[06:19] <ish> thanks.
[06:19] <q2> GKrellm is the shiznet n*gga!
[06:19] <crimsun> np, ish.
[06:19] <ish> hey, there's some python gurus in here right?
[06:20] <toyowheelin> I need a pptp guru
[06:20] <toyowheelin> dhcp on my pptp server aint working right or somethin
[06:20] <bob2> q2: language please.
[06:20] <q2> bob2, i used a *
[06:21] <q2> im a windows guru!
[06:21] <toyowheelin> if we had ops you would have got booted prolly
[06:21] <bob2> q2: that's nice, but please don't do it again
[06:21] <bob2> toyowheelin: there are ops, but kicks are a measure of last resort
[06:21] <q2> bob2, QAuit hatin
[06:22] <toyowheelin> OIC bob2
[06:22] <bob2> q2: please?
[06:22] <q2> bob2, pl3ase quit hatin'!
[06:23] <sri> so..
[06:23] <sri> I'm having a bit of a problem..
[06:23] <sri> I'm trying to install rhythmbox but running to some issues
[06:24] <Lathiat> rhythmbox is installed by default afaik
[06:24] <Lathiat> it was for me
[06:24] <alexg> It is.
[06:24] <sri> o directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated.
[06:24] <alexg> I heart rhythmbox.
[06:24] <bob2> it is indeed.
[06:24] <sri> dpkg: error processing desktop-file-utils (--configure):
[06:24] <sri> how do I fix that?
[06:24] <sri>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:24] <acf> actually, does one know off-hand how i can make my /dev/hd entries i create with mknod stick around after a reboot?
[06:24] <bob2> sri: this is during a fresh install?
[06:24] <sri> this is during a dist-upgrade
[06:24] <bob2> from sid?
[06:24] <Lathiat> acf: You have to create them again, what nodes are you creating, /dev/hdwhat?
[06:24] <sri> I have this problem with file-roller, rhythmbox, totem-gstreamer, and desktop-file-utils
[06:25] <sri> bob2: no, these are ubuntu pckages
[06:25] <Lathiat> acf: they should be created automagically
[06:25] <acf> Lathiat: hda, hdc, and hdd
[06:25] <sri> this is a fresh ubuntu install, but I've been upgrading/dist-upgrading practically everyday
[06:25] <bob2> sri: the bug's not in the bug tracking system yet?
[06:26] <sri> bob2: I haven't checcked :/
[06:26] <sri> bob2: I really thought it was just something unique to me.
[06:26] <joem> acf, that might be something for udev.rules
[06:26] <Lathiat> acf: They should all be created
[06:26] <Lathiat> acf: Any idea why they arent?
[06:26] <q2> U-Ubuntu-U-U-Ubuntu
[06:27] <acf> Lathiat: maybe vmware-related?
[06:27] <acf> udev.rules?
[06:27] <Lathiat> acf: You running it inside a vmware?
[06:27] <acf> are devices created at boot now? i'm used to a static /dev
[06:27] <Lathiat> yeh devices are created at boot
[06:27] <Lathiat> no static /dev
[06:27] <Lathiat> and only the devices needed are created
[06:27] <acf> what sort of nonsense is that? :)
[06:27] <Lathiat> and they come/go as modules are loaded/unloaded
[06:27] <Lathiat> its brilliant :)
[06:28] <alexg> Udev is great.
[06:28] <alexg> Ubuntu's /dev isn't static.
[06:28] <alexg> Nice and small (relative to static /dev)
[06:28] <evilmegaman> I need some help
[06:28] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: fire away
[06:28] <evilmegaman> No linux is recognizing my CD rom drive all of a sudden. it was working fine a few hours ago...
[06:29] <bob2> check your cables
[06:29] <evilmegaman> why can't anything find a recognizable cdrom drive?
[06:29] <evilmegaman> But I just burned a cd with it on windows o_O
[06:29] <sri> bob2: I haven't seen anything bugzilla regarding package installs..
[06:30] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: hrmm, can you run dmesg|grep hd and paste it to me in private?
[06:30] <t35t0r> evilmegaman, cat /proc/bus/ide/devices
[06:30] <evilmegaman> umm I am in windows. I would have to reboot and ok testor where do I put that command?
[06:30] <sri> bob2: I'm using apt-get, not aptitude
[06:31] <evilmegaman> I am in the install CD where it's all happening
[06:31] <bob2> sri: that won't affect that bug
[06:31] <t35t0r> evilmegaman, sorry ls -l /proc/ide
[06:31] <acf> what package has the kernel headers for the stock kernel?
[06:31] <sri> bob2: is it in fact a bug?
[06:31] <evilmegaman> oh
[06:31] <evilmegaman> Ok
[06:31] <evilmegaman> where do I do it t35t0r?
[06:31] <bob2> sri: if packages fail to install, it's a bug
[06:31] <sri> bob2: okay
[06:31] <t35t0r> evilmegaman, in a shell
[06:32] <evilmegaman> oh is there a shell in the ubuntu installer?
[06:32] <t35t0r> heh
[06:32] <bob2> evilmegaman: alt-f2
[06:32] <evilmegaman> Cuz I deleted my linux installer. and ok :)
[06:32] <t35t0r> huh
[06:32] <sri> bob2: even if I remove the package and try to install it, it gives me "No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated"
[06:32] <evilmegaman> I will come back here on my other box and tell you what I see brb
[06:33] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: alt+f2, hit enter
[06:33] <t35t0r> heh hopeless
[06:33] <sri> bob2: the problem is with update-desktop-database script
[06:33] <t35t0r> people need to learn how to be very very specific
[06:34] <sri> bob2: it's not ubuntu it's me
[06:34] <bob2> how so?
[06:34] <sri> update-desktop-database is looking to create /usr/gnome2/share/applications which does not exist
[06:35] <sri> when I upgraded to ubuntu, my home partition migrated itself over
[06:35] <sri> but I did not remove .gnome2 or gconf area
[06:35] <sri> so it's remembering my old prefix
[06:35] <bob2> er, no linux distro includes /usr/gnome2
[06:35] <sri> because I built /usr/gnome2 from source in that prefix before upgrading
[06:35] <bob2> ouch
[06:35] <Lathiat> bob2: yeh but a source or cvs built one would
[06:35] <Lathiat> s/would/could
[06:36] <Lathiat> sri: well, you could blow away all your settings :)
[06:36] <bob2> no, that's still a bad place
[06:36] <bob2> right
[06:36] <sri> bob2: so I need to fix it by either removing .gnome2/gconf or do something else.
[06:36] <Lathiat> actually
[06:36] <Lathiat> why would the apt-get stuff be using yoru personal gconf?
[06:36] <Lathiat> the post inst scripts are like run as root, not you
[06:36] <bob2> that is a very good question
[06:36] <Lathiat> did you upgrade over the top of your existing install?
[06:36] <Lathiat> or fresh partition?
[06:36] <crimsun> he migrated to ubuntu.
[06:37] <Lathiat> "migrated" as in installed over the top?
[06:37] <Lathiat> fark i broke my usb
[06:37] <crimsun> that's my assumption, but...
[06:37] <sri> Lathiat: the /usr, / are all fresh partitions
[06:37] <Lathiat> damn unplugging usb storage while its still mounted with file handles open
[06:37] <Lathiat> sri: thats most odd then
[06:37] <Lathiat> perhaps try moving your gconf out of the way termporarily
[06:38] <Lathiat> and then try upgrading again?
[06:38] <Lathiat> cus i doubt its that
[06:38] <sri> okay
[06:38] <Lathiat> maybe
[06:38] <Lathiat> move yoru whole homedir out of the way
[06:38] <Lathiat> you could try do a reinstall and then move all your files accross and leave your settings behind
[06:38] <sri> nope still doing it
[06:38] <Lathiat> if its an issue
[06:38] <Lathiat> probably the quickest way to fix it
[06:38] <sri> hrm.
[06:38] <evilmegaman> Still nothing
[06:38] <evilmegaman> :(
[06:38] <sri> I think I'll just blvow away everything
[06:38] <Lathiat> otherwise we could be here all afternoon playing with things
[06:38] <sri> thats probably better
[06:38] <Lathiat> sri: are you certain thats the problem?
[06:38] <sri> hate to lose my evo stuff though.
[06:38] <acf> you guys rule
[06:38] <Lathiat> hmm
[06:39] <evilmegaman> What should I do to make it recognize the cdrom drive?
[06:39] <Lathiat> sri: well you could save that stuff
[06:39] <crimsun> just back it up, sri.
[06:39] <sri> well, as bob2 said, nobody uses /usr/gnome2 as aprefix for gnome
[06:39] <crimsun> i'm slowly migrating my sid machine to ubuntu
[06:39] <sri> and I know I used it for debian sid
[06:39] <Lathiat> sri: thats not the problem
[06:39] <Lathiat> you can use whatever prefix you want
[06:39] <Lathiat> it wouldnt have mattered
[06:39] <evilmegaman> cuz Now I found it saying no drivers for it when there IS in fact a driver for my cd rom drive because it worked peachy before
[06:39] <Lathiat> im not sure the problem is related to that
[06:39] <sri> but when I use the update-desktop-database -v it fails
[06:40] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: can you dmesg|grep hd and paste to me in private?
[06:40] <Lathiat> sri: does it state specifically its looking in /usr/gnome2?
[06:40] <Lathiat> i mean you could
[06:40] <Lathiat> mkdir /usr/gnome2
[06:40] <evilmegaman> ok
[06:40] <Lathiat> cd /usr/gnome2
[06:40] <Lathiat> ln -s ../* .
[06:40] <sri> it says "No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated"
[06:40] <Lathiat> but thats evil :)
[06:40] <sri> yeah, too evil
[06:40] <Lathiat> umm
[06:40] <Lathiat> paste 'export' to me?
[06:40] <q2> hmmm, 128Bit proccessor, neet
[06:40] <sri>  but when I use it with -v it tells me could not create cache file in directory /usr/gnome2/share/applications
[06:40] <Lathiat> (in private)
[06:41] <Lathiat> or in email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:41] <Lathiat> dont remove the spam its supposed to be there :)
[06:41] <sri> Lathiat: yeah, let me email it to you.
[06:41] <bob2> grep -r usr/gnome2 /
[06:41] <sri> shit I wonder if  it's getting it from my PATH
[06:41] <q2> Im gonna buy one of these, they are 128Bit Proc computers, 100% compatable with 64bit proc Linux Distros
[06:41] <evilmegaman> I can dmesg
[06:41] <Lathiat> bob2: eww :P
[06:41] <sri> bob2: /usr/gnome2 doesn't exist anymore
[06:41] <Lathiat> sri: thats what i was thinking
[06:41] <bob2> there you go
[06:41] <evilmegaman> dmesg|grep hd in Ubuntu install cd?
[06:41] <Lathiat> sri: export|grep /usr/gnome2 i guess
[06:42] <Lathiat> or just send me the whole thing
[06:42] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: no in your actual install
[06:42] <sri> okay, I have XDG_
[06:42] <sri> fuck
[06:42] <bob2> sri: yes, that looks for mentions of that path so you can find out what's referencing it
[06:42] <evilmegaman> but I don't have one :(
[06:42] <punkass> whats the min requirements for ubuntu?
[06:42] <sri> XDG_DATA_{DIRS|HOME}, PATH
[06:42] <bob2> punkass: depends what you want to do.
[06:42] <sri> PYTHONPATH
[06:42] <Lathiat> punkass: Well im running on on my p266 with 192mb ram fine
[06:42] <bob2> punkass: 486 with 32MB of ram is enough
[06:42] <Lathiat> sri: unset all thsoe adn try it again
[06:42] <Lathiat> XDG_DATA_stuff probably isnt helping
[06:42] <evilmegaman> because I can't install because the cd won't work
[06:42] <punkass> replace win95 on a old 166 for my pops
[06:42] <sri> thats it..
[06:42] <Lathiat> err dont unset PATH
[06:42] <Lathiat> jsut remove that bit from the path :P
[06:42] <bob2> q2: erm, you know you're being scammed, right?
[06:42] <sri> yeah, I won't :)
[06:43] <crimsun> punkass: as long as it has 32 MB RAM or more, it's fine
[06:43] <punkass> i was thinking ubuntu with Xfce
[06:43] <crimsun> just make sure you create a swap partition asap
[06:43] <toyowheelin> lol q2 is just tring to gather attention
[06:43] <q2> bob2, no im not.  its a long story, but ive used one
[06:43] <punkass> oh really? ok cool ill have to check
[06:43] <bob2> punkass: gnome2.8 probably be far slower than win95.
[06:43] <Lathiat> punkass: what graphics card does it have?
[06:43] <bob2> punkass: ah
[06:43] <punkass> lol no idea
[06:43] <bob2> q2: right, you're a decade ahead of everyone else in this room.
[06:43] <q2> bob2, im joking
[06:43] <q2> hahahaha
[06:43] <Lathiat> haha
[06:44] <crimsun> punkass: xfce4 should run decently
[06:44] <toyowheelin> q2 are you like 10 years old?
[06:44] <crimsun> punkass: 4.0.5-1 is in universe
[06:44] <punkass> crimsun..is it in universe?
[06:44] <punkass> lol thanks
[06:44] <Lathiat> punkass: what graphics chipset is it?
[06:44] <sri> there we go..
[06:44] <punkass> Lathiat, not sure yet
[06:44] <Lathiat> helps to have somethign that supports the render stuff with gtk2
[06:44] <sri> that worked somehwat
[06:44] <Lathiat> otherwise it sucks a bit
[06:44] <Lathiat> like *cogh* s3
[06:44] <q2> toyowheelin, you dont know me
[06:44] <evilmegaman> can anyone help me?
[06:44] <Lathiat> sri: :) get those out of your bashrc or whatever :)
[06:44] <sri> I believe it's with XDG_DATA_DIRS
[06:44] <toyowheelin> q2 you act really immature
[06:44] <Lathiat> yeh
[06:44] <Lathiat> thats what i thought
[06:45] <q2> toyowheelin, have you ever met me? no.... then shutup
[06:45] <Lathiat> bob2: screw 128bit in a decade, quantum computing :)
[06:45] <evilmegaman> Because I can't install anything since my cd rom isn't working right.. linux won't recognize it O_o
[06:45] <Lathiat> go qubuits
[06:45] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: Well if youd paste me the stuff ive asked you for
[06:45] <toyowheelin> lol q2 thankyou for proveing my point
[06:45] <Lathiat> i might be able to help
[06:46] <evilmegaman> But I can't!!!
[06:46] <evilmegaman> I don't have linux!
[06:46] <Lathiat> ouch the gnome develoeprs guide is $80
[06:46] <evilmegaman> I deleted it so I can get ubuntu >.<
[06:46] <Lathiat> the mono one is $50 tho i should get that
[06:46] <q2> toyowheelin, i dont see the relevance to this channel?
[06:46] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: ok do it in the installer then
[06:46] <bob2> evilmegaman: from the installer.
[06:46] <evilmegaman> or anything I even tried mandrake
[06:46] <q2> i mean of what your syaing
[06:46] <evilmegaman> ok
[06:46] <toyowheelin> q2 than leave
[06:46] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: theres a shell on the second VT (alt+f2)
[06:46] <toyowheelin> lol
[06:46] <evilmegaman> Yeah
[06:46] <q2> toyowheelin, no, i use Ubuntu
[06:46] <bob2> toyowheelin: q2 immature or not, this is off-topic. thanks.
[06:47] <evilmegaman> But I put dmesg|grep hd and nothing happened
[06:47] <Treenaks> evilmegaman: where did you put that?
[06:48] <evilmegaman> in the install CD's shell
[06:49] <Treenaks> that's weird
[06:49] <evilmegaman> I will try again
[06:49] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: oh wait have you gone through the first few steps of the install?
[06:50] <Lathiat> they wont come up until youve gone through the initial bit up until it wants the cd
[06:50] <toyowheelin> well anyhow its late I am tired and going to bed, night all
[06:50] <Lathiat> night toyowheelin
[06:52] <sri> hrm..
[06:52] <sri> it seems like rhythmbox is buggy
[06:52] <evilmegaman> I tried but it didn't work
[06:53] <evilmegaman> and It won't get any farther than it has gone
[06:53] <evilmegaman> so I guess I am out of luck...
[06:53] <Lathiat> sri: whats wrong with it
[06:53] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: hmm
[06:53] <bob2> evilmegaman: ask on the ubuntu-users list.
[06:53] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: thats really odd
[06:53] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: What kind of computer is it
[06:54] <sri> segfaults when trying to import /home/sri
[06:54] <evilmegaman> shuttle
[06:54] <evilmegaman> OHHHHH
[06:54] <sri> I've seen this before
[06:54] <evilmegaman> I think I know what happened
[06:54] <sri> it spews some debug stuff when run from cli
[06:54] <Lathiat> sri: hrm thats odd
[06:54] <Lathiat> sri: paste in privmsg?
[06:54] <Lathiat> could be a gstreamer bug
[06:54] <Lathiat> try to only import a folder with music files...
[06:54] <sri> Lathiat: yeah thats possible
[06:54] <evilmegaman> nvm
[06:55] <sri> Lathiat: yeah, thats probably what it is
[06:55] <bob2> this privmsg thing makes it hard for !lathiat people to help
[06:55] <Lathiat> gstreamer is still a bit rocky
[06:55] <sri> Lathiat: I've had that before
[06:55] <Lathiat> and it tries to figure file types out in a file(1) style
[06:55] <bob2> evilmegaman: and you have not changed your config, at all since it last worked?
[06:55] <evilmegaman> ugh I will to figure it out tomorrow. good night
[06:55] <evilmegaman> I dunno
[06:55] <evilmegaman> I deleted my linux partition.
[06:55] <bob2> nothing else?
[06:56] <evilmegaman> I tried to install gentoo but screwed up so I deleted the partition
[06:56] <evilmegaman> :-P
[06:56] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: What kind of computer is it?
[06:56] <Lathiat> like is it a scsi cdrom or something?
[06:56] <evilmegaman> scsi
[06:57] <evilmegaman> Oh I dunno
[06:57] <evilmegaman> I think it's scsi
[06:57] <bob2> you don't know?
[06:57] <bob2> if you don't know, it's IDE.
[06:57] <evilmegaman> ok
[06:57] <Lathiat> evilmegaman: does it come up in the bios at boot?
[06:57] <evilmegaman> I g2g. mom's beotching so gotta go. sorry oh and my bios won't start up o_O seeya
[06:58] <Lathiat> OK cya
[06:58] <Lathiat> man
[06:58] <Lathiat> bios wont startup? heh
[06:58] <ranman> I think that evilmegaman's mom cut the power cord..
[06:58] <Lathiat> heh
[07:01] <t35t0r> damn kiddies
[07:02] <t35t0r> relegate them to winxp
[07:03] <Lathiat> heh
[07:03] <t35t0r> nix isn't for everyone
[07:15] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know of a way to connect to an Appleshare (afp://URL) server in Linux?
[07:16] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:16] <Lathiat> theres some appletalkish stuff i think
[07:16] <ficusplanet> Do you have a URL maybe?
[07:17] <Lathiat> just looking
[07:17] <ficusplanet> Thanks.
[07:17] <Lathiat> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/935/1/
[07:17] <Lathiat> try that
[07:18] <ficusplanet> Awesome.  Thanks a lot.
[07:20] <alka_trash> hello all
[07:21] <alka_trash> I have been reading some reviews of ubuntu and currently downloading it, It sounds like a nice desktop OS
[07:21] <Lathiat> Hi
[07:21] <Lathiat> I like it :)
[07:21] <alka_trash> so updates come out every 6months?
[07:22] <Lathiat> yep
[07:22] <crimsun> entirely new updates, yes.
[07:22] <alka_trash> oh
[07:22] <crimsun> the repo itself is very active
[07:22] <alka_trash> so per package updates a whenever
[07:23] <crimsun> some packages go through multiple updates daily
[07:23] <crimsun> it's busier than Sid, it seems ;)
[07:23] <alka_trash> I wish I could just change my apt sources and do a distro upgrade
[07:23] <crimsun> you can, but it's not quite that simple
[07:23] <alka_trash> he he
[07:23] <Lathiat> alka_trash: you sortof can, if your willing to mess around
[07:23] <crimsun> and it takes a bit of mangling
[07:23] <Lathiat> if your not what id call an experienced idea probably not the best idea
[07:23] <alka_trash> I need to backup first
[07:23] <Lathiat> *experience user*
[07:24] <Lathiat> rather :P
[07:24] <Lathiat> wow backups, must be like an uber geek :P
[07:24] <alka_trash> :)
[07:24] <crimsun> i'm using pinning to migrate sid->ubuntu slowly
[07:24] <crimsun> *gradually
[07:24] <alka_trash> really
[07:24] <crimsun> yeah
[07:24] <alka_trash> lots of hack'n slash involved?
[07:24] <Lathiat> Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their
[07:24] <crimsun> will probably have a fully converted ubuntu from sid in a month
[07:25] <Lathiat> "important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it"
[07:25] <Lathiat> ergh
[07:25] <crimsun> Lathiat :)
[07:25] <crimsun> alka_trash: not really
[07:25] <Lathiat> "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their
[07:25] <Lathiat> important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it."
[07:25] <crimsun> just patience
[07:25] <Lathiat> oh it did paste
[07:25] <Lathiat> bleh
[07:25] <alka_trash> Lathiat: show me the way
[07:26] <Lathiat> the way to what?
[07:26] <alka_trash> to gradually switch
[07:26] <alka_trash> to ubuntu
[07:26] <Lathiat> oh
[07:26] <Lathiat> I have no idea
[07:26] <Lathiat> i jsut installed fresh
[07:26] <Lathiat> backed up my homedir
[07:26] <alka_trash> sh!t, that's what i'll do to then
[07:27] <Lathiat> taking me a while to get everything setup right but its not bad now
[07:27] <alka_trash> is there cd burning software included on this distro  ( cdroast? )
[07:28] <Lathiat> yeh nautilus does it
[07:28] <Lathiat> theres no application as such
[07:28] <alka_trash> I'll have to give nautilus a spin then
[07:28] <Lathiat> but nautilus burns isos and creates cds with files via dag and drop
[07:29] <Lathiat> nautilus is the gnome file manager
[07:29] <Lathiat> you canright click an iso and tell it to burn it
[07:29] <Lathiat> or goto the cd creater, copy/dragdrop files in and burn that
[07:29] <ficusplanet> And rythmbox and muine have cd burning patches available for music.
[07:29] <alka_trash> kewl
[07:31] <alka_trash> Thanks, I'm going to go play Fools ball and drink beer while ubuntu is downloading
[07:31] <Lathiat> heh
[07:31] <Lathiat> i want beer
[07:31] <Lathiat> send me some :)
[07:41] <togs> does anybody here use a microphone at all?
[07:41] <Lathiat> yeh i do
[07:41] <Lathiat> Damnit I wish more debian packages would use the upstream tarball style rather than debian/s in the source dir
[07:42] <togs> i'm getting a horrible screeching noise through the headset; know what that is?
[07:42] <Lathiat> togs: Possibly feedback?
[07:42] <Lathiat> You could turn your microphone off in the mixer
[07:43] <togs> ok, one sec
[07:44] <Lathiat> daniels: about?
[07:54] <togs> what chat client do you use, Lathiat?
[07:55] <Lathiat> irssi
[07:55] <Lathiat> its text-based
[07:55] <togs> ok
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> and incredibly cool
[07:57] <Lathiat> yes
[07:57] <Lathiat> it rocks
[07:57] <Lathiat> better than xchat and crap
[07:57] <Lathiat> i ahte xchat
[07:57] <Lathiat> it wont be better than squaa when i finish it tho :)
[07:58] <daniels> Lathiat: sup?
[08:00] <Lathiat> i forget now
[08:00] <Lathiat> oh thats right
[08:00] <Lathiat> trying to get the dbus package to build me a libdbus-cil, will adding the apopritate control and debian/ files do the trick?
[08:00] <Lathiat> or is that work alread done somewhere?
[08:02] <crimsun> might want to ask in #debian-mono
[08:03] <crimsun> i don't think it has been done already
[08:03] <daniels> Lathiat: yeah, you need control, debian/*.install, and --enable-mono or whatever to be added to the ./configure line in debian/rules
[08:03] <daniels> actually, wait
[08:03] <Lathiat> yeh thats what i was doing
[08:03] <daniels> there's a patch in the debian bts
[08:03] <Lathiat> ah
[08:03] <daniels> http://bugs.debian.org/src:dbus
[08:03] <crimsun> oh cool
[08:03] <Lathiat> save me the effort then
[08:03] <Lathiat> want to get beagle and friends going
[08:04] <Lathiat> someone built most of the other stuff for warty
[08:04] <daniels> yeah, I'll probably put dbus+mono builds up for warty at some stage
[08:04] <tseng> hm
[08:07] <Lathiat> cool
[08:07] <Lathiat> i might make an archive with all the mono stuff and associated cool projects
[08:07] <Lathiat> if i have enough spare time next week
[08:08] <crimsun> isn't tseng already doing that? :p
[08:08] <Lathiat> sup tseng
[08:08] <Lathiat> oh
[08:08] <tseng> hi.
[08:08] <Lathiat> is he?
[08:08] <tseng> yeah no kidding
[08:08] <Lathiat> well
[08:08] <Lathiat> umm
[08:08] <tseng> 6,001 -user posts later
[08:08] <Lathiat> oh yeh i think i got your stuff installed
[08:08] <Lathiat> :0
[08:08] <Lathiat> :)
[08:08] <Lathiat> iirc
[08:08] <tseng> where is teh mono!!!!/1?
[08:08] <Lathiat> lol
[08:08] <tseng> anyway
[08:09] <Lathiat> are you getsweaaa.com?
[08:09] <tseng> yes
[08:09] <Lathiat> right, yes i have all your mono stuff installed heh
[08:09] <Lathiat> thanks :)
[08:09] <tseng> nps
[08:09] <Lathiat> but may i point out
[08:09] <Lathiat> your missing a dep on libgtksourceview-cil
[08:09] <Lathiat> on monodevelop
[08:09] <tseng> i know
[08:09] <Lathiat> ok
[08:09] <tseng> have a patch?
[08:09] <Lathiat> yeh i could spin you one
[08:09] <Lathiat> whats the source packagename?
[08:09] <tseng> it should also have libgtk-cil libgnome-cil etc I believe
[08:09] <Lathiat> ooh apt resolves it for you
[08:10] <tseng> and a few others possibly
[08:10] <Lathiat> ahh
[08:10] <Lathiat> i thought it pulled those in
[08:10] <tseng> try it clean
[08:10] <tseng> it doesnt seem to, i just didnt notice before as I had them all installed
[08:10] <tseng> dpkg -i *.deb will do that
[08:10] <Lathiat> want to add my libdbus-cil to your archive? :)
[08:10] <Lathiat> tseng: i used apt
[08:10] <tseng> sure
[08:10] <tseng> send it all.
[08:10] <Lathiat> but i think i probably installed the -cil stuff myself
[08:11] <Lathiat> wanting it
[08:11] <tseng> yep
[08:11] <tseng> or from muine or blam
[08:11] <tseng> try doing it clean and I think youll see it
[08:11] <Lathiat> yeh i installed both of those
[08:11] <laydros> has anyone played with ubuntu for ppc much?
[08:11] <tseng> missing assemblies
[08:11] <laydros> after install, when it trys to boot, it gets a kernel panic because it can't find dev/console
[08:12] <laydros> im thinking it should be looking for /dev/console, not dev/console
[08:12] <Lathiat> riight
[08:12] <Lathiat> its in build-depends
[08:12] <tseng> Lathiat: if you could make a fix for that, thatd rock, i havent gotten motivated in the direction.
[08:12] <Lathiat> just nto in install depends
[08:12] <Lathiat> doing it now :)
[08:12] <tseng> try to figure out what it really needs
[08:13] <tseng> there is also a fix for the missing nermele file
[08:13] <tseng> in the New dialog
[08:13] <Lathiat> ah yeh i noticed that one
[08:13] <Lathiat> you got that fix handy?
[08:13] <Lathiat> ill integrate it?
[08:13] <tseng> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66497
[08:14] <Lathiat> p266 :)
[08:14] <tseng> oh my!
[08:14] <Lathiat> getting a new laptop in a couple months
[08:14] <Lathiat> mm centrino 1.6
[08:14] <tseng> yeah mines a 1.5
[08:14] <tseng> very nice.
[08:14] <Lathiat> if i can convince my aunty to pay a little more than she wanted too anyway
[08:14] <HrdwrBoB> X40
[08:14] <Lathiat> looking at the dell inspiron 510m
[08:14] <Lathiat> all the hardware seems to work
[08:15] <tseng> mine is dell 600m
[08:15] <Lathiat> 2.2k with 60GB hdd and dvd burner
[08:15] <Lathiat> ah i was gonna get one of those
[08:15] <daniels> the X40 is a very, very, very, very, very, very nice laptop.
[08:15] <Lathiat> but they seem to have EOLd them
[08:15] <Lathiat> daniels: and it probably costs more than i can afford? :)
[08:15] <A-L-P-H-A> is the live CD on http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/, warty?
[08:15] <tseng> ya i shouldve gone with the ibm in hindsite
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> Lathiat: $2800 AUD?
[08:15] <daniels> i just unpacked all my worldly possessions from the car -- they're all still sitting in the foyer of this place
[08:15] <Lathiat> HrdwrBoB: im looking at more 2k
[08:15] <tseng> dug a little deeper.
[08:15] <daniels> since there were two boxes from IBM waiting for me when I got back
[08:15] <Lathiat> daniels: heh of what?
[08:16] <daniels> Lathiat: the X40, and a couple of extra bits :)
[08:16] <Lathiat> oh right
[08:16] <Lathiat> haha
[08:16] <Lathiat> fucker
[08:16] <Lathiat> .. one day
[08:16] <tseng> holy hell batman, apt-get build-dep gst-plugins
[08:16] <Lathiat> tseng: i can guess :P
[08:17] <Lathiat> ive been playing with gst
[08:17] <Lathiat> i love it
[08:17] <tseng> yeah im trying the new gst/totem release
[08:17] <tseng> sounds promising.
[08:17] <tseng> im getting lazy and installing straight from the tarballs
[08:17] <Lathiat> can someone on warty try gst-launch-0.8 videotestsrc ! smpte ! xvimagesink
[08:17] <Lathiat> mine wont play
[08:17] <Lathiat> works on my debian sid
[08:18] <tseng> is videotestsrc a filename?
[08:18] <Lathiat> no
[08:18] <Lathiat> its a component that creates a video test pattern
[08:18] <tseng> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "videotestsrc".
[08:18] <Lathiat> thats odd
[08:19] <tseng> well, i did just blow away my install w/ a source tarball
[08:19] <tseng> i forgot so soon
[08:19] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: it just happens if you're in the right place at the right time. :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: For what? :)
[08:20] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: getting employed by one of the linux companies
[08:20] <Lathiat> whys that?
[08:20] <Lathiat> here, now?
[08:21] <Lathiat> oh
[08:21] <Lathiat> sorry
[08:21] <Lathiat> im tired
[08:21] <Lathiat> didnt read that right
[08:21] <Lathiat> ignore me :)
[08:21] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: don't look at me, I don't hire people, I'm just a techie. :)
[08:21] <Mithrandir> (:
[08:21] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: sorry i misread what you said :)
[08:21] <Lathiat> need sleep :)
[08:21] <Lathiat> had exams this week
[08:21] <Lathiat> and more tomorrow and next week
[08:21] <Mithrandir> ew
[08:22] <Lathiat> heh
[08:24] <Lathiat> hmm
[08:24] <Lathiat> that nemerle patch is b0rked
[08:24] <Lathiat> oh
[08:24] <Lathiat> right
[08:25] <Lathiat> its actually for nemerle rather than MD
[08:25] <tseng> oh =/
[08:25] <Lathiat> ill just ignore that fornow
[08:25] <Lathiat> ill fix that later when i have more time
[08:25] <tseng> i didnt have a chance to look at it yet, sorry
[08:26] <Lathiat> nps
[08:26] <Lathiat> seems to be going now
[08:29] <Lathiat> sigh i fucked my usb up
[08:30] <Lathiat> tseng: http://freedesktop.org/~lathiat/warty-monodevelop-depends.diff
[08:30] <Lathiat> building a .deb
[08:30] <Lathiat> but youll probaly want to build your own for security or whatever
[08:31] <tseng> Lathiat: neat, thanks
[08:31] <Lathiat> i think that should do the trick
[08:31] <Lathiat> it seems to want all of them
[08:32] <tseng> yeah.
[08:32] <Lathiat> now onto dbus
[08:32] <Lathiat> and then i can try packaging beagle
[08:32] <Lathiat> whats beagles friends name
[08:32] <Lathiat> i forget
[08:32] <Lathiat> dashboard
[08:32] <Lathiat> thats the one
[08:33] <tseng> that would be neat.
[08:34] <Lathiat> lagging my machine to hell and back :)
[08:36] <RuffianSoldier> I just turned a guy onto Ubuntu
[08:36] <laydros> thats much better that what i just did
[08:36] <laydros> i got really confused and tried to turn a guy INTO ubunto
[08:36] <odwa_> I am aware that ubuntu uses apt but I was wondering whether there was any better tool provided for package maitanence ?
[08:37] <Treenaks> odwa_: better than apt? :)
[08:37] <Treenaks> odwa_: if you prefer graphical, you can use synaptic
[08:37] <Treenaks> odwa_: apt-cache and apt-get is all a person needs
[08:37] <laydros> the only things that i could think of being considered better are pacman or portage
[08:37] <laydros> but when apt works right, like it does with ubuntu
[08:38] <laydros> its pretty much perfect
[08:38] <odwa_> ahh Ill stick with apt I like the text based tools better :)
[08:38] <odwa_> thanks
[08:38] <laydros> bear in mind that using ubuntu is more of a sure thing than normal deb, packages are policed a bit more
[08:38] <odwa_> i didnt really mean better I meant anything else :)
[08:41] <ricochet> Questions.. I just install this distro.  #1, why didnt it ask me for a root password?  what is my root password?  #2, the virtual terms .. I cant make out what they say.  I could in debian. do I need a graphics driver or something?  X works fine.
[08:41] <laydros> 1: there is no root account by default
[08:42] <laydros> you use sudo <command foo>
[08:42] <ricochet> its in passwd tho?
[08:42] <laydros> the user account you create
[08:42] <laydros> it will use that password
[08:42] <ricochet> ok
[08:42] <laydros> or if you run something in the gui that needs root privlagies, it pops up gtksu and asks for password
[08:42] <Mithrandir> ricochet: if it's not in passwd, a lot of applications freak out.
[08:43] <Mithrandir> laydros: gksudo. :)
[08:43] <laydros> which will also be the first users passowrd
[08:43] <ricochet> Mithrandir, as am I
[08:43] <laydros> yeah
[08:43] <RuffianSoldier> i love the sudo
[08:43] <laydros> i knew i had that wrong
[08:43] <laydros> that was one of my fave things when i first read about ubuntu
[08:43] <laydros> its the way things should be done
[08:43] <Mithrandir> ricochet: you can enable the root account with "sudo passwd root", if you for some reason want it.
[08:43] <opi^work> ricochet: if you want to go to terminal, press ALT+CTRL+Fx where x is term numer
[08:43] <laydros> of course slack and deb sho0uld let you setup root
[08:44] <laydros> but for a standard desktop distro, it is better with sudo
[08:44] <ricochet> opi^work: i know that.  the text is all screwed up
[08:44] <opi^work> ricochet: oh. hmmm.
[08:44] <opi^work> ricochet: maybe fb is set to wrong refresh rate?
[08:45] <opi^work> see dmsg
[08:45] <ricochet> opi^work, perhaps.  its a laptop
[08:45] <opi^work> see what kind of framebuffer is running
[08:45] <opi^work> if it's VESAfb it should go @60Hz
[08:46] <Lathiat> ricochet: what resolution does it run at
[08:46] <Lathiat> i can tell you the vga=line for your proper resolution that might make it work
[08:46] <ricochet> Lathiat, laptop is best at 1400x1050.  lemme check out XFconf..
[08:46] <Lathiat> hmmthats not a standard res wonder if its in therer
[08:47] <opi^work> set it to 800x600 just to be sure
[08:47] <ricochet> Lathiat, yep it looks like it did that quite well.  its all 1400x1050
[08:47] <ricochet> Lathiat, I'm on the box right now running X. X works fine.  its the virtual terms where I cant read it
[08:47] <Lathiat> yeh
[08:47] <Lathiat> could try vga=none
[08:47] <Lathiat> i think thats the right flag
[08:47] <Lathiat> in your bootloader
[08:48] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight fellow Debian lovers
[08:48] <Lathiat> im assuming your a more experienced user, if not yell
[08:48] <ricochet> Lathiat, yes
[08:48] <ricochet> Lathiat, why wouldnt i have had to do that in debian tho...  ( i didnt)
[08:49] <opi^work> RuffianSoldier: you're quick on your feet ;)
[08:49] <Lathiat> not sure i think debian defaults to no framebuffer depending on your installationmethod
[08:49] <opi^work> Lathiat: my last Debian instalation got no FB ;)
[08:49] <Lathiat> i.e. older or newer debian
[08:50] <Lathiat> opi^work: mine did
[08:50] <opi^work> Lathiat: I guess it's depends on HW used while installation
[08:50] <ricochet> Lathiat, so its just a boot param i gotta tell grub to do?
[08:50] <Lathiat> ricochet: yeh
[08:50] <Lathiat> fuck
[08:50] <Lathiat> need USB to get my gpg key to sign this package
[08:50] <Lathiat> sigh rebootyness
[08:50] <ricochet> k, i'll brb then
[08:51] <Lathiat> be back soon
[08:51] <Lathiat> heh me too :P
[09:05] <g0tcha> hi
[09:05] <Lathiat> hi
[09:05] <g0tcha> what educational programs are available for ubuntu and where can i find it ?
[09:06] <Lathiat> What sort of education are you after
[09:06] <Treenaks> g0tcha: are you already running ubuntu?
[09:06] <g0tcha> yes
[09:06] <Lathiat> g0tcha: theres a variety of educational packages
[09:07] <ricochet> looks like it worked.  is there no KDE package? :(
[09:07] <Lathiat> ricochet: Not atm
[09:07] <Lathiat> Ubuntu is focussing on GNOME at present however KDE support is being worked on
[09:07] <g0tcha> @treenaks how are you linked witht he ubuntu software ?
[09:08] <Treenaks> g0tcha: I have an ubuntu system, and I used to be a developer for Debian...
[09:08] <Lathiat> g0tcha: If you tell me what your looking at i can give you some suggestions, otherwise in synaptic just search for education and itl list some for you
[09:08] <ricochet> Lathiat, is there a problem with me adding a debian source and installing then?
[09:08] <Lathiat> ricochet: Have you added the universe section in your apt sources?
[09:08] <Lathiat> that has most things youd probably want debian wise
[09:09] <g0tcha> well what i am basically looking for is some educational programs for students in a primary school !!!
[09:09] <ricochet> nope, what is universe section?  like main, unstable, etc?
[09:11] <ricochet> g0tcha, teach them how to use files in linux.  little kids are smart.  I was programming pascal in 5th grade because someone had the nerve to teach programming to 5th graders. :)
[09:11] <Treenaks> g0tcha: search for "education" in synaptic, it'll show you a list
[09:11] <Lathiat> ricochet: universe includes alot of stuff from the debain archives
[09:11] <Lathiat> ricochet: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:11] <Lathiat> theres a couple lines to uncomment
[09:11] <Lathiat> then they should come in in synaptic
[09:11] <Lathiat> theres quite a bit in there
[09:11] <ricochet> oh.
[09:11] <Lathiat> a year?
[09:11] <Lathiat> 2 years?
[09:12] <daniels> never?
[09:12] <Treenaks> Lathiat: you're signing debian packages?
[09:12] <Lathiat> hmm 3 years sounds good
[09:13] <Lathiat> Treenaks: not official ones
[09:14] <Lathiat> daniels: well i figure if i lose it.. :P
[09:14] <Lathiat> which i shouldnt
[09:14] <Lathiat> but **** happens
[09:14] <Lathiat> i have like 5 keys in keyserver space atm :(
[09:14] <Lathiat> sigh
[09:14] <Lathiat> from when i didnt know too much
[09:14] <Lathiat> gpg --send-keys
[09:14] <Lathiat> hmm, what did that do
[09:14] <Lathiat> *wipe linux install*
[09:15] <daniels> Lathiat: um, that's why you keep a recovation certificate handy
[09:16] <Lathiat> yeh i have them now :)
[09:16] <Lathiat> not when i was unenlightened tho, unfortunately
[09:17] <punkass> any vi/reg expression wizards here?
[09:17] <Lathiat> not a wizard but i might be able to help
[09:17] <punkass> i have csv file seperated by tabs
[09:18] <punkass> i want to merge to columns
[09:18] <Lathiat> like replace one of the tabs?
[09:18] <punkass> so really i just want to take out one of the tabs
[09:18] <Lathiat> well you could use the ^v visual selection
[09:18] <Lathiat> which cuts chunks out rather than lines
[09:18] <Lathiat> and then do R (space) (escape)
[09:18] <Treenaks> if hotplug does not load the correct driver, is that a hotplug bug or a kernel bug?
[09:18] <punkass> its a 60000 line file :)
[09:19] <Lathiat> hit G?
[09:19] <Lathiat> (i.e. goto bottom of file)
[09:19] <punkass> hehe i know
[09:19] <punkass> how does viusal selection work?
[09:19] <Lathiat> you just move the arrow keys
[09:20] <punkass> ah
[09:20] <Lathiat> or page down or whatever
[09:20] <Lathiat> and the ^V visual selection selects vertical chunks
[09:20] <g0tcha> is there a document available on howto replace the boot splash or boot logo ?
[09:20] <Lathiat> as opposed to v that does lines
[09:20] <Lathiat> and V that does whole lines
[09:21] <punkass> hmm well that almost works..but the columns arent all lined up perfectly
[09:21] <punkass> so the selection doesnt grab everything
[09:22] <Lathiat> oh
[09:22] <Lathiat> damn
[09:22] <Lathiat> that sucks
[09:22] <punkass> yes
[09:22] <Lathiat> dont know how to do it the other way sorry :)
[09:22] <punkass> ok thanks...the Ctrl V thing is good to know anyways.
[09:22] <Treenaks> punkass: what do you want to do? remove a column?
[09:22] <Lathiat> yeh it is
[09:22] <Lathiat> i need to learn regex one day
[09:23] <punkass> Treenaks: merge 2 columns
[09:23] <punkass> in a csv file
[09:23] <Lathiat> and when perl6 comes out i think im going to be tempted to be sold from mython
[09:23] <Lathiat> *python
[09:24] <punkass> when is that supposed to come out?
[09:24] <punkass> Treenaks: i have a reg expression to find the two columns...just not sure how to tell it go keep the same data..minus the \t
[09:24] <Treenaks> punkass: "soon"
[09:24] <Lathiat> punkass: not for a year+ yet
[09:24] <punkass> ah
[09:24] <Lathiat> just listened to a talk on all the call trippy stuff it has
[09:25] <Lathiat> like variables that arent things
[09:25] <Lathiat> i.e.
[09:25] <Lathiat> variable represents any value that is not 1
[09:25] <Lathiat> among many other things
[09:25] <punkass> cool
[09:31] <togs> which php packages are needed for php in apache2? lib-apache2-mod-php4 or just php4? I can't get firefox to display the index.php page
[09:36] <punkass> Lathiat: got it!
[09:36] <punkass> %s/\([0-9] *\/[0-9] *\/2004\)\t\([0-9] *\:[0-9] *\:[0-9] *\)/\1 \2/g
[09:36] <punkass> lol
[09:36] <Lathiat> lol
[09:36] <punkass> works like a hot damn tho :)
[09:37] <Lathiat> heh
[09:49] <ix> upgraded from sarge, but theres still some old non-ubuntu pkgs in apt-cache search. any trick to purge those?
[09:50] <ix> like apt-get dist-clean would be perfect
[09:50] <Lathiat> ix: have you deleted the lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get updated?
[09:50] <ix> yep. perhaps its my imagination that old pkgs are there..
[09:50] <bob2> that won't fix it.
[09:51] <Lathiat> plus if theres installed stuff itl be there?
[09:51] <Lathiat> or am i barking up the wrong tree?
[09:51] <ix> i dunno, i shold rtfm, my impression is theres some kind of master list of 'installable' packages, which includes old ones.
[09:52] <ix> its just qt3-dev-whatever so i can build my kernel, it seems named differenetly in ubuntu...but i'll stfu until i figure out how everything's cached
[09:52] <calc> ix: apt-get clean
[09:53] <calc> oh nm that isn't what you are asking
[09:53] <Lathiat> calc: oh it keeps an index of whats in there?
[09:53] <Treenaks> ix: apt-get update
[09:53] <Lathiat> ah
[09:53] <Lathiat> itsno :)
[09:53] <Lathiat> t
[09:53] <ix> like, this:  libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not going to be installed ....is presumably beacuse theres a pkg named that in sarge. but not in ubuntu. i think..
[09:53] <Treenaks> ix: just make menuconfig instead of xconfig
[09:53] <calc> fun
[09:54] <ix> calc: whats better for amd64, ubuntu, or alioth?
[09:54] <ix> in terms of pkg-completeness/whatever
[09:54] <calc> ix: no idea, i can't install pure64 (alioth) right now
[09:54] <Lathiat> whats alioth?
[09:54] <calc> ubuntu still has some interesting issues like not being able to run normal xserver
[09:54] <calc> Lathiat: debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org
[09:54] <calc> Lathiat: alioth is the debian gforge server
[09:55] <Lathiat> well thats what i thought
[09:55] <Lathiat> wasnt show how it fitted in context with ubuntu
[09:55] <Lathiat> i see what you meant now :)
[09:56] <calc> the issue with ubuntu's xserver is that the loader on amd64 is broken (apparently) you can use the xserver-xfree86-dbg though instead
[10:02] <Lathiat> calc: ah
[10:10] <Lathiat> What will create a packages file for me to make an aptable source?
[10:10] <Mithrandir> apt-ftparchive or dpkg-scanpackages
[10:13] <Lathiat> hrm
[10:14] <deFrysk> It seems an improved version of gstreamer has entered fodora ?
[10:14] <deFrysk> in development
[10:14] <deFrysk> fedora*
[10:14] <seb128> that's an ubuntu channel ...
[10:14] <seb128> not a fedora one
[10:15] <deFrysk> developers of ubuntu should grab it
[10:15] <seb128> why ?
[10:15] <deFrysk> gsteamer is default in totem
[10:15] <seb128> we are considering it, but pushing new version directly is not good
[10:15] <Mithrandir> we're trying to freeze, grabbing new upstreams at this point is stupid and dangerous.
[10:15] <seb128> still
[10:15] <deFrysk> and totem could use a better gstreamer
[10:16] <seb128> deFrysk: we are in the middle of the freeze, we can't just package all the new versions
[10:16] <deFrysk> seb128, too bad , we will have to use xine for a while longer then
[10:17] <seb128> deFrysk: the new release is not a miracle one ...
[10:17] <deFrysk> I heard gentoo and fedora are very happy with it
[10:17] <seb128> deFrysk: BTW we are considering it, just wait, it has not been release for 12 hours ...
[10:17] <seb128> deFrysk: ah ah
[10:18] <seb128> deFrysk: sure, they have totally tested it in a few hours
[10:18] <Lathiat> damnit
[10:18] <Lathiat> my dbus build failed
[10:18] <deFrysk> lol, true
[10:18] <Lathiat> stupid monodoc
[10:18] <Lathiat> why is it gtk-doc, monodoc and the likes that *always* break builds
[10:18] <deFrysk> seb128, I just want a working gstreamr instead of xine
[10:18] <seb128> deFrysk: 2 versions of gstreamer have been released yesterday, the first one was bugged
[10:19] <deFrysk> seb128, so i hope it wil prove to be good
[10:19] <seb128> me too
[10:19] <deFrysk> :)
[10:19] <seb128> but just wait a day
[10:19] <seb128> so we have time to make good tests before pushing it
[10:19] <deFrysk> seb128, I will (fingers crossed)
[10:19] <seb128> I don't want to push directly at this point without testing
[10:19] <seb128> deFrysk: I'll put package only in about 1 hour, but not directly in warty
[10:19] <plovs_work> is there a graphical way to create/mount a nfs-share?
[10:20] <seb128> deFrysk: I'll ping you when the packages are ready if you want to test
[10:20] <deFrysk> seb128, good plan :)
[10:20] <seb128> thanks :)
[10:20] <togs> is there someone willing to help me with installing php on apache2?
[10:20] <Lathiat> togs: easy, apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 apache2-mpm-worker
[10:21] <togs> i'll see if I haven't installed that already
[10:25] <togs> I get an error about broken packages
[10:26] <togs> want me to paste the error?
[10:26] <Lathiat> sure
[10:26] <Lathiat> in private
[10:26] <togs> ok
[10:36] <wu_ming> anyone know how to install a shockwave plugin for ubuntu
[10:36] <wu_ming> for firefox i mean
[10:36] <Lathiat> you can get it from macromedia
[10:36] <Lathiat> they make a linux installer
[10:36] <vrln> wu_ming: just go to a website that uses flash and there should be a popup window in firefox that "additional plugins are required"
[10:37] <Lathiat> dunno about a package tho
[10:37] <Lathiat> or that
[10:37] <vrln> I installed it that way, all I had to do is say ok twice :)
[10:37] <lauhanen> is it normal that after I activated "universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list and tried to installa xmms, zgv, xzgv, none of them installed cos there was HUGE amount of. "X depends on Y, Y seems to be not available?"
[10:37] <wu_ming> flash is different to shockwave though
[10:37] <wu_ming> i got flash, i need shockwave
[10:39] <vrln> oh sorry, I thought they are the same thing :I then you'll have to get it from the official site I quess
[10:41] <lauhanen> Anyway, if there is somebody who could pass a word to "daily build" of warty wart-hog" maker, yesterdays cd didn't work at alla, I mean it booted and stuff,but there was only ~10 cases in list (starting from "choose language" and last was "reboot", but nothing there..
[10:42] <lauhanen> I checked the md5-sums, and it was ok, so the trouble must be in daily snap!
[10:43] <lauhanen> so, anybody knows is it normal that you cant install packages like xmms or zgv from "universe" ?
[10:43] <lauhanen> because there is helluve amount of broken dependancies
[10:43] <Mithrandir> lauhanen: looks happy to do that here.
[10:43] <deFrysk> lauhanen, I read it has to do with nvidia-drivers or something
[10:43] <Lathiat> lauhanen: xmms is in main...
[10:43] <lauhanen> no, there for example isnt SVGAlib
[10:44] <Lathiat> zgv is in universe
[10:44] <lauhanen> it is like "basic" stuff
[10:44] <Lathiat> and it installs for me
[10:44] <deFrysk> lauhanen, YOU USE THE NVIDIA DRIVERS ?
[10:44] <deFrysk> soory caps
[10:44] <lauhanen> No, matrox is in my machine
[10:44] <deFrysk> hmm
[10:44] <deFrysk> well it does not work on mine either
[10:44] <lauhanen> how to check for nvidia?
[10:44] <deFrysk> sudo lsmod
[10:45] <deFrysk> but otherwise get the gtk2 mediaplayer beep-media-player
[10:45] <Lathiat> lauhanen: no svgalib in what?
[10:45] <Lathiat> or use rhythmbox
[10:45] <lauhanen> no there is not nvidia in lsmod
[10:45] <deFrysk> thythmebox works fine yes
[10:46] <deFrysk> lauhanen, apt-get bmp and try it
[10:46] <deFrysk> it uses the same plug-ins as xmms
[10:46] <deFrysk> its actually an xmms colone almost
[10:46] <deFrysk> clone
[10:46] <lauhanen> ok, brb
[10:47] <Lathiat> it is a fork of xmms
[10:47] <Lathiat> to have gtk2 stuff
[10:47] <Lathiat> so its more than just a clone :)
[10:47] <deFrysk> Lathiat, yes
[10:47] <deFrysk> agree :)
[10:50] <lauhanen> defrysk: there is no packet bmp
[10:50] <Mithrandir> beep-media-player, perhaps?
[10:51] <Lathiat> thas the one
[10:51] <lauhanen> but i want to use xmms
[10:51] <Mithrandir> it's xmms for gtk2
[10:51] <wu_ming> hmmm
[10:52] <deFrysk> beep-media-player
[10:52] <lauhanen> zgv depends on libsvga1
[10:52] <lauhanen> libsvga1 does not appear to be available
[10:52] <deFrysk> lauhanen, you'll like it :) as gnome user
[10:52] <lauhanen> this is the proglem for example
[10:53] <Lathiat> lauhanen: works for me..
[10:53] <Mithrandir> lauhanen: uhm, what architecture are you on?
[10:53] <deFrysk> lauhanen, got universe ?
[10:53] <Lathiat> libsvga1 is in main
[10:53] <wu_ming> i'll like any media player if it lets me edit the id3tag
[10:53] <Lathiat>  *** 1:1.4.3-17ubuntu1 0
[10:53] <Lathiat>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[10:53] <Lathiat>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:53] <lauhanen> I've tried to install xmms, zgv and gmplayer. none of them succeeded.. :-(
[10:53] <wu_ming> but cant find any that does yet
[10:53] <lauhanen> yes, I've universe
[10:53] <deFrysk> apt-get update perhaps ?
[10:53] <Lathiat> lauhanen: did you remove the non-universe source from your apt sources?
[10:54] <lauhanen> hmmm
[10:54] <lauhanen> no?
[10:54] <lauhanen> you mean what "non-universe"?
[10:54] <Lathiat> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[10:54] <Lathiat> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[10:54] <Lathiat> is that what you have in your apt.sources?
[10:54] <davidw> where's the live CD squirreled away?
[10:54] <miausX_> hi! :)
[10:54] <deFrysk> bmp installed without blinking here
[10:55] <davidw> bonus points for quickly summarizing how it's better/different from morphix
[10:55] <lauhanen> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:55] <lauhanen> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:55] <lauhanen> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[10:55] <lauhanen> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[10:55] <lauhanen> these 4 lines without #'s
[10:55] <Lathiat> tseng: about?
[10:55] <Lathiat> lauhanen: ahh
[10:55] <Lathiat> thats broken?
[10:55] <Lathiat> it is rather
[10:55] <Lathiat> no question mark
[10:55] <Lathiat> repalce the first two with the ones i pasted
[10:55] <Lathiat> i.e. add "main restricted" before universe
[10:56] <lauhanen> ok... The lines were in current warty-dist!
[10:56] <Lathiat> yes but you probably deleted the other lines or somethign and there not the ones i have *shrug*
[10:57] <deFrysk> ooh beep looks nice in ubuntu :)
[10:57] <Lathiat> heh
[10:57] <miausX_> I love Ubuntu... at last... a Debian for all the users (advanced and newbies) ... 12000 deb's!!! Ubuntu ROCKS!! :D
[10:57] <deFrysk> a nice debian skin
[10:58] <miausX_> yep!
[10:58] <Lathiat> ooh i founda bug in apache2 packages :P
[10:58] <Lathiat> yay me
[10:58] <lauhanen> defrysk: should I add #'s to "security" lines?
[10:58] <Lathiat> sorry, first ubuntu bug ive found :)
[10:58] <Lathiat> lauhanen: no
[10:59] <lauhanen> ok..
[10:59] <deFrysk> nope
[10:59] <lauhanen> brb
[10:59] <deFrysk> security is always needed
[10:59] <miausX_> hum... I found a bug in firestarter... it crashes all the time on my box :S
[10:59] <deFrysk> my firefox xrashes too often when using java , unlike in mozilla where it works fine (blackdown-java)
[11:00] <miausX_> no idea about java, deFrysk... I have installed j2re from Sun (with a package that makes a deb of it)
[11:02] <wu_ming> beep id3 writing seem buggy if writing in utf8 chinese
[11:02] <wu_ming> always hangs...
[11:02] <wu_ming> so i am going to uninstall it and return to rhythmbox
[11:02] <miausX_> anybody knows a good gui for iptables for my Ubuntu's gnome?
[11:03] <deFrysk> miausX_, not all java pages crash, its probably sensitive to crappy coding
[11:03] <miausX_> deFrysk, oh... I see :)
[11:03] <lauhanen> deFrysk: I copied last night "daily snapshot" of warty, and MD5 sums were ok, still it was clearly broken.. So could you pass the word
[11:03] <lauhanen> to right person
[11:03] <deFrysk> lauhanen, what was broken ?
[11:03] <deFrysk> xmms /
[11:03] <deFrysk> ?
[11:04] <lauhanen> no, it didn't even install, the installing system. There was this about 10 phases, starting from "choose language" and there was ONLY 10, not for example "partition harddisk"
[11:05] <lauhanen> but it booted and first 10 cases were ok!
[11:05] <deFrysk> i see
[11:06] <deFrysk> well , report it in the mailinglist
[11:06] <lauhanen> I'm sure the script to build that is broken, cos I tried ~5 times, everytime the same, and md5 sums were ok
[11:06] <deFrysk> thats where you can get the answers
[11:07] <lauhanen> I downloaded a "official" cd-image, dated 15 days ago, it was ok