[12:05] <McScruff> has anyone installed ktemperature?
[12:05] <nmorse> Hmm, those sempron Micro-ATX boxes do look awfully nice if not quite as small
[12:06] <buz> McScruff: ive been using ksensors
[12:06] <buz> works ok
[12:06] <buz> you need better coooling with semprons
[12:06] <buz> if you want something silent, it's harder
[12:06] <nmorse> Yeah, and the micro-ATX is like 13x14x5 for the cases usually
[12:06] <buz> as for mini itx cases, generally there's space for ONE harddisk
[12:06] <buz> is that cm or inch
[12:06] <nmorse> I was really hoping to build something smaller
[12:06] <nmorse> inches
[12:07] <buz> back to the mini then :)
[12:07] <buz> might also look into the asus pundit
[12:07] <buz> cheap but p4/celery
[12:07] <nmorse> No P4's for me, thanks
[12:07] <nmorse> Cheap and P4 don't mix well
[12:07] <buz> i feel the same :)
[12:07] <nmorse> and they're hot sunofaguns
[12:07] <buz> well celery is quite cheap
[12:07] <buz> but still a hot plate
[12:08] <nmorse> Yeah, my main concern besides price is reliability
[12:08] <McScruff> has anyone used any bsd?
[12:08] <buz> freebsd
[12:08] <buz> rock solid os
[12:08] <nmorse> I run FreeBSD for a server OS
[12:08] <McScruff> whats that like?
[12:08] <nmorse> really is rock solid
[12:08] <nmorse> You compile stuff a lot
[12:08] <nmorse> rc.d instead of init.d
[12:08] <buz> na you can use package
[12:08] <buz> s
[12:09] <buz> it's not really a desktop os
[12:09] <nmorse> Yeah, but who really does that?
[12:09] <buz> lacks a bit on the driver front
[12:09] <nmorse> Some things like erlang and ejabberd don't even come as packages
[12:09] <buz> in theory most stuff is there for the desktop tho
[12:09] <buz> you use erlang?
[12:09] <nmorse> I know people who run it as a desktop
[12:09] <buz> i didnt think anyone outside ericsson used that beast
[12:09] <nmorse> erlang is pretty dadgum neat, but it's mostly there for ejabberd's sake
[12:09] <buz> it's a mighty language
[12:10] <buz> but fucking weird
[12:10] <nmorse> Makes for easily scalable stuff and the ability to update running apps is nice
[12:10] <buz> yeah its kinda like java on steroids
[12:10] <McScruff> i would love mezzo to come to ubuntu
[12:10] <nmorse> I wouldn't
[12:10] <buz> mezzo?
[12:10] <nmorse> Dadgum perl everywhere
[12:10] <buz> yikes perl
[12:10] <McScruff> the symthony os thing
[12:10] <buz> perl is EVIL
[12:11] <nmorse> I want customization, not having to recode everything
[12:11] <buz> only use i have for perl is spamassassin
[12:11] <nmorse> It's great for regexp, so I hear, but as I don't do regexp much I don't have to tolerate it
[12:11] <buz> OUCH THAT HURT
[12:11] <_osh> buz: Perl is a great tool for some things. Don't knock it. :-)
[12:11] <buz> nearly every other script language can do the same regex
[12:12] <buz> sure it is
[12:12] <buz> but it is an ugly programming language none theless
[12:12] <buz> still beats bash though
[12:12] <nmorse> I use bash and Python for most of my scripting needs
[12:12] <buz> i consider it to be a better batch language
[12:13] <buz> python is nice
[12:13] <buz> but i miss the static types (from all scripting languages)
[12:14] <buz> and something like eclipse, ofcourse ;)
[12:14] <_osh> I use python most of the time now too but perl still has its uses, when doing small/simple scripts for example. I don't do python for that.
[12:14] <buz> if it wasn't so heavyweight i'd use java
[12:14] <buz> but these days i rarely ever code anyhow
[12:15] <nmorse> Yeah, python does tend to be pretty verbose for simple, quick, and sometimes dirty scripts
[12:15] <buz> and if, it's mostly hacking some php apps to do what i want them to
[12:15] <buz> php is a giant mess, too
[12:15] <nmorse> I'm really not jumping full into coding until next month when I start college
[12:15] <nmorse> Mostly I just play around right now
[12:15] <buz> better do it now
[12:15] <buz> helps A Lot
[12:15] <nmorse> Write apps I need for the network stuff here, PHP scripts for sites, etc.
[12:16] <buz> then again I still think computer sciences destroys the joys of computing
[12:16] <buz> lots of ugly crap
[12:16] <buz> little of real life value
[12:17] <nmorse> I suspect I'll learn quite a bit of real life value in my program, mostly because senior year teaches you the practical network admin stuff
[12:17] <buz> most of the practical stuff you can't teach
[12:17] <buz> you can only learn it
[12:17] <nmorse> Like what?
[12:17] <buz> personally, i've flwon computer science after half a year
[12:17] <ecadre> praying
[12:17] <buz> too many way crazy people
[12:18] <nmorse> Hopefully not where I'm going (private college)
[12:18] <nmorse> University of Tulsa has some of the happiest students in the country too
[12:18] <buz> i went to one of the best engineering unis of the world
[12:18] <buz> didnt help it
[12:19] <nmorse> There are very few students where I'm going
[12:19] <nmorse> Less than 5000 I think
[12:19] <buz> mhh been about twice that were i was (abot 1500 CS in all classes)
[12:19] <nmorse> Should help cut down on those who are in it for the money and those who are in it for no reason really
[12:19] <buz> problem with CS programs is the really high amount of totally inept nerds
[12:20] <nmorse> Ah, well, hopefully I won't fall into their ranks
[12:20] <buz> a friend of one once said it's like meeting the /. crowd in real life
[12:20] <opi> :-D
[12:20] <ecadre> 8-O
[12:20] <buz> which basically means NOT meeting them, relaly
[12:21] <nmorse> Heh, most of the people on /. are retards (present company excluded as always)
[12:21] <buz> i only read it
[12:21] <buz> posting to it is too bloody moronic
[12:21] <opi> I only read it when I'm bore
[12:21] <ecadre> never posted on it
[12:21] <opi> +d
[12:21] <nmorse> I only post when I really need to
[12:21] <buz> i've never really needed
[12:21] <buz> there might be the odd AC comment from myself
[12:21] <nmorse> Like to explain that Mac OS X viruses weren't new at the time
[12:21] <opi> but I must say, sometimes it's a nice place to get some decent jokes ;)
[12:21] <buz> but i dont think ive ever registered
[12:22] <buz> you mean like: in soviet russia, jokes get you
[12:22] <ecadre> ?
[12:22] <opi> that's one has a beard ;)
[12:22] <randabis> heh in soviet russia, computer boots you
[12:22] <opi> randabis: that's actually funny :P
[12:22] <buz> very rarely, there's one that's actually funny
[12:23] <ecadre> no it's not :-/
[12:23] <randabis> lolz
[12:23] <randabis> so, I forgot how to switch between desktops in kde via keyboard shortcut...lol
[12:23] <opi> ecadre: you should get a drink, then ;)
[12:23] <buz> but all in all, /. is a giant waste of time, better be outlawed
[12:23] <opi> randabis: CTRL+ALT - arrows
[12:24] <nmorse> But then who would be the 32nd most visited site on the net?
[12:24] <ecadre> i assure you it's not a drink problem  ;-)
[12:24] <buz> randabis must have too many drinks, OTOH
[12:24] <opi> buz: but as I said, comes handy when you're borded ;)
[12:24] <buz> or when you should do real work you don't actually want todo
[12:24] <buz> like learning for exams ;)
[12:24] <opi> buz: having too many drinks it's an oxymoron ;)
[12:24] <buz> trust me its not
[12:24] <ecadre> or doing actual work...........
[12:24] <opi> OK, you won
[12:24] <McScruff> shit, pc is running very hot
[12:24] <randabis> umm...that's what I thought. but it isn't working
[12:24] <opi> I've been there, you know ;-)
[12:24] <McScruff> is 57 C too hot ?
[12:25] <buz> my head said it's actually possible just on thursday
[12:25] <buz> 57C of what
[12:25] <randabis> CTRL+ALT+ARROWS...not working :p
[12:25] <McScruff> cpu
[12:25] <buz> harddisks? yes. cpu? ok
[12:25] <opi> Mine CPU's around 27
[12:25] <randabis> 57C is a bit warm for a cpu, but not critical...really depends on the chip
[12:25] <McScruff> i need a new fan 2moro or monday
[12:25] <buz> your pc must sound like a jet engine
[12:25] <opi> but I don't want to dive under the desk, to check
[12:25] <McScruff> pc is silent :)
[12:26] <opi> depends on PC ;)
[12:26] <buz> a 2 fan radiator is not silent
[12:26] <buz> 0 fan is silent
[12:26] <McScruff> i got a Pentium 4 3ghz in it
[12:26] <buz> ieew
[12:26] <buz> p4
[12:26] <opi> you can hear in another room when our IBM-server's fans kick ins
[12:26] <randabis> McScruff: heh that's why it runs hot
[12:26] <opi> -s
[12:26] <randabis> p4s are flamethrowers
[12:26] <McScruff> :(
[12:26] <buz> don't tell me about ibm servers
[12:26] <opi> buz: I won't
[12:27] <buz> those suckers always drive me nuts when i try to get them installed on my desk
[12:27] <opi> buz: I'm lucky to not be sysadmin there ;)
[12:27] <ecadre> put an ice cube on it  :-)
[12:27] <nmorse> You should hear my old Dell server (Dual PPro Poweredge)
[12:27] <randabis> well, I need to figure this out...ctrl alt arrows isn't working
[12:27] <buz> i don't buy hell stuff
[12:27] <nmorse> It actually cools the room down about 10 degrees when it runs
[12:27] <nmorse> And it has 7 hard drives
[12:27] <buz> WTF
[12:27] <buz> how can a server cool a room?
[12:27] <buz> it could only heat it
[12:27] <nmorse> 7 80mm fans
[12:28] <buz> yeah still without no connection to the outside, it wont cool anything at all
[12:28] <opi> buz: maybe it's Windows server, you know, it's freezed ;)
[12:28] <ecadre> but they are there to pump heat into the room
[12:28] <buz> worse even, windows doesn't know jack about HLT
[12:28] <nmorse> It has a giant vent on the front of the server
[12:28] <buz> which serves to move heat out of the server INTO the room, yes
[12:28] <nmorse> All the excess cool (or hot if ever heated up) air vents out the front
[12:28] <opi> buz: There's no steping for Windows?
[12:29] <opi> buz: nor downclocking?
[12:29] <buz> mhh doesn't seem to work out of the box very well
[12:29] <buz> but then again, i havent touched win in months
[12:29] <opi> buz: Oh, pitty. I don't have Windows anywhere to check ;)
[12:29] <buz> and i dont plan to do so any time soon either
[12:29] <randabis> if you wanna hear loud, then you gotta hear my computer at my house lol
[12:30] <nmorse> Does it sound like a jet engine?
[12:30] <opi> randabis: you put bells on fan? ;)
[12:30] <buz> aaanyway i'm gonna go to bed now
[12:30] <buz> LOOL
[12:30] <randabis> 92 mm vantec tornado
[12:30] <buz> bell fans
[12:30] <buz> that would be something for them overclockers
[12:30] <opi> buz: for 0verklokerz
[12:30] <randabis> the case has about 11 fans in it
[12:30] <opi> buz: great mind thinks alike ;)
[12:30] <buz> still better than the fan case hihi
[12:30] <ecadre> of course they might have found a way around the second law of thermodynamics
[12:30] <buz> dell?
[12:30] <randabis> that vantec tornado fan sounds like a hair dryer
[12:31] <buz> they wouldn't find a way around their own bullshit
[12:31] <opi> I admit, I have a Dell mouse ;)
[12:31] <opi> it works pretty well
[12:32] <opi> maybe it's the highest complication of HW that they can handle? ;)
[12:32] <buz_zzZZzzZZzz> nite
[12:32] <opi> nite
[12:32] <nmorse> Their OptiPlex GX110 doesn't take many varieties of RAM
[12:32] <nmorse> And the RAM it had just went belly up
[12:32] <nmorse> Hence time for a new server
[12:36] <McScruff> whats the command to shut pc down?
[12:37] <ecadre> did anyone see Mark Shuttleworth at LugRadio Live?
[12:37] <ecadre> Wolverhampton
[12:37] <dutch> cli ?
[12:38] <dutch> McScruff: cli ?
[12:39] <McScruff> i dont want to test, im setting up incase my pc gets too hot
[12:40] <ecadre> shutdown
[12:40] <McScruff> ty
[12:40] <dutch> try as root, "shutdown -h now"
[12:41] <McScruff> i dont want to test yet :)
[12:41] <McScruff> i will when i goto bed
[12:41] <ecadre> bye McScruff, see you in a minute then :-)
[12:41] <McScruff> lol
[12:42] <McScruff> brb
[12:42] <McScruff> grr
[12:42] <McScruff> is there any non root command
[12:42] <ecadre> lol
[12:42] <ecadre> rofl
[12:43] <ecadre> er, you're on Linux, right?
[12:43] <McScruff> coz if im out and it overheats i want it to shutdown without me comeing home and typing password in
[12:43] <ecadre> try pulling out the power cable........
[12:43] <McScruff> lol
[12:43] <ecadre> you don't need root for that
[12:44] <ecadre> can't you ssh as root
[12:44] <ecadre> ssh in as root that is
[12:44] <McScruff> i just wanted it to shutdown if it got hot :(
[12:45] <ecadre> ah, I see, not a remote shutdown, just an auto shutdown if it gets too hot
[12:45] <ecadre> on my laptop there are tool (Linux stuff) that deal with that
[12:45] <McScruff> yes
[12:45] <ecadre> ^tools
[12:46] <McScruff> i have installed KSensors
[12:46] <McScruff> will that be ok :S
[12:46] <McScruff> my bios must have it somewhere
[12:46] <McScruff> next is security
[12:47] <ecadre> dunno, sorry.   I seem to be remembering from when I used to use Suse
[12:47] <McScruff> security isnt a prob, nor are virus's
[12:47] <McScruff> but is it worth gettin an AV?
[12:47] <ecadre> for Linux?
[12:47] <McScruff> yea
[12:47] <McScruff> i have seen a few about
[12:47] <McScruff> but never got 1
[12:48] <ecadre> only if you doing something like an email server or gateway
[12:48] <McScruff> thats a no then
[12:48] <McScruff> where does totem look for codecs?
[12:48] <ecadre> there aren't any AV progs FOR Linux (if you see what I mean)
[12:49] <McScruff> i do
[12:49] <ecadre> it uses Xine
[12:49] <McScruff> where are them codecs kept
[12:49] <ecadre> just a mo
[12:50] <ecadre> my windows codecs are in
[12:50] <ecadre> "/usr/lib/win32"
[12:51] <McScruff> ty
[12:52] <ecadre> I'm not sure where all of the ogg, theora etc stuff is though.
[12:52] <McScruff> the win32 are fine
[12:52] <red22> how do i list packages available for download that a match a certain string pls?
[12:53] <red22> used to using 'yum search xx' on fc but not sure how on kubuntu.. apt-get has no search option ithat i can find..
[12:54] <ecadre> try synaptic or kynaptic
[12:54] <ecadre> you can search in those
[12:55] <red22> ok will do, ty. but do you know how to search on the command line pls?
[12:57] <ecadre> yeah, the lists from the repositories are saved in plain text, does anyone know the best way to search them not using a GUI?
[12:58] <red22> is there a kde firefox for kubuntu?
[12:58] <red22> (as opposed to the gnome defalut download)
[12:59] <McScruff> kde firefox?
[12:59] <McScruff> firefox is firefox
[01:00] <ecadre> firefox is not KDE (Qt and all that)
[01:00] <ecadre> there's no mention of search in man apt-get
[01:00] <red22> the one that that is installed from default repositories looks like it is for gnome... on fc4 it looks like a pure kde app.
[01:00] <ecadre> yeah, but that's becauase of Red Hats themes
[01:01] <ecadre> look isn't the only difference between Gnome and KDE
[01:01] <red22> themes?  can they be installed for kubuntu?
[01:02] <ecadre> yes
[01:02] <ecadre> have a look at the Control Panel in KDE
[01:02] <red22> i mean in fc4 the firefox menus, buttons, etc look themed just like all the other kde apps.  in kubuntu all the widgets look bland.
[01:02] <McScruff> i know :)
[01:02] <McScruff> its a firefox extension
[01:02] <ecadre> that's blue curve
[01:02] <red22> nono, i have the same kde theme installed in fc4 as i do in kubuntu and that is not the answer..
[01:03] <McScruff> its a firefox theme
[01:03] <McScruff> i will get the name
[01:03] <ecadre> no, not the KDE theme, it's what fc (Red Hat) have done to change Firefox
[01:03] <red22> mcscruff, can that be installed for kubuntu?
[01:04] <McScruff> yes
[01:04] <McScruff> its a firefox thing
[01:04] <ecadre> it's a bit like what Suse do to Open office
[01:04] <red22> i heard about some project that makes all gnome apps look like your regular kde apps once.. can't recall the name
[01:04] <ecadre> actually, McScruff, you're right, there probably is a theme you could get
[01:04] <red22> yeah, that too. openoffice in fc4 looks kde too
[01:05] <ecadre> heh, don't tell anyone at Gnome
[01:05] <McScruff> Plastik style from KDE with Crystal SVG icons for Firefox.
[01:06] <ecadre> tbh I prefer to use Konqueror anyway
[01:06] <red22> i've always been using kde... i heard gnome is themeable too an all that... i'll install it and check it out to be fair i guess.
[01:06] <McScruff> https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&category=OS%20Integration&numpg=10&id=213
[01:06] <McScruff> is that what you mean?
[01:11] <McScruff> nite ppl
[01:11] <red22> mcscruff, looks promising. will install firefox and see if that fixes menus and all... gimme a  min
[01:11] <McScruff> :O
[01:11] <McScruff> ok
[01:11] <ecadre> hmmm, Mozilla won't allow me to get at the themes unless I upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4
[01:12] <McScruff> you need the ltest firefox
[01:12] <McScruff> then get it...
[01:12] <red22> well if you gotta go, ty for help.  if curious, i'll brb.
[01:12] <McScruff> im curious
[01:12] <ecadre> and there's no package on the Kubuntu repositories
[01:12] <ecadre> are you?
[01:12] <McScruff> i got it from their website :)
[01:12] <ecadre> very curious indeed......
[01:12] <McScruff> has an installer
[01:13] <ecadre> yeah, but I try not to do that too much
[01:13] <ecadre> it can muck up a dist upgrade
[01:14] <red22> so firefox is natively written (if that makes sense) with the gnome libraries / for gnome? (gtk is it?)
[01:14] <McScruff> no
[01:14] <McScruff> i dont think so
[01:14] <McScruff> but i installed ubuntu then kde
[01:14] <McScruff> so thats why i had gnome i think
[01:16] <thoreauputic> fix for firefox: type about:config in the URL bar, search for vendorSub , edit the string to 1.0.4 and you will be able to install themes and extensions
[01:16] <McScruff> nice tip
[01:17] <thoreauputic> just be sure you have the latest security fixes in place from ubuntu first
[01:17] <red22> hm, you do need to  install firefox from the mozilla website.  the page for themes says ubuntu shipped with a messed up something or the other..
[01:17] <red22> ah, now u tell me heh ty
[01:17] <thoreauputic> red22: see above, and no, you don't need to
[01:18] <red22> yeah i just saw ty
[01:18] <McScruff> i still have the ubuntu one on system , and put this one in a new dir
[01:18] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[01:20] <red22> thoreauputic: string not found.. i searched for "vendorSub"
[01:20] <red22> "app.version" maybe?
[01:20] <McScruff> im off to bed, i hope that is your problem, im sure it is :)
[01:20] <thoreauputic> general.user.agent.vendorSub
[01:21] <thoreauputic> sorry, no . between user and agent
[01:21] <red22> lol i see it there, but i'm wondering why the search failed....
[01:22] <thoreauputic> hmm... well just change the string to 1.0.4 and you should be OK
[01:23] <red22> done. works. ty.
[01:23] <red22> now installing theme to see if it looks kde'ish now
[01:23] <ecadre> yep, it worked, in the end.
[01:23] <ecadre> still won't be using Firefox though (if possible)
[01:24] <ecadre> oh, and thanks thoreaputic
[01:24] <ecadre> :-)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[01:25] <red22> no no. that's not the fix.  it is still looking like a gnome app with a couple different icons
[01:26] <ecadre> well, it's still probably Red Hat and their Blue Curve stuff you're thinking of
[01:26] <red22> thoreauputic: you know how fc4 has a firefox that looks like a native kde app?  how can u make kubuntu have that too?  kubuntu's firefox is for gnome..
[01:27] <red22> ecadre: i use the same theme in fc4 than in kubuntu.  the kde apps look the same in fc4 than here, but not firefox..
[01:28] <thoreauputic> I don't know, really: maybe because of fc4 using BlueCurve or something?
[01:29] <red22> but isn't bluecurve just another regular kde theme?
[01:29] <ecadre> fc4 doesn't look like KDE anyway, it looks like fc4
[01:29] <ecadre> but a regular KDE theme will not touch firefox
[01:29] <red22> or is bluecurve some gtk-qt abstraction layer?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> I think ubuntu's firefox uses a package for gnome compliance with firefox - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head
[01:30] <ecadre> it was Red Hats attempt to make Gnome and KDE both look like........ Red Hat
[01:30] <red22> ecadre: kde under fc4 looks just like kde on kubuntu on my machine i don't know what you mean..
[01:31] <thoreauputic> ecadre: indeed - I seem to recall a couple of Red Hat KDE devs resigned over bluecurve
[01:32] <red22> which reminds me.. does kubuntu have some tool for controlling all your machines running services / daemons?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> or rather, Rh's changes to KDE in general
[01:32] <red22> machine's *
[01:33] <red22> in fc4, for example, there is something like menu > system > services and you can start/stop etc  all your daemons
[01:34] <red22> i can't find that in kubuntu (or similar)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> red22: this might help --> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=75
[01:40] <red22> about the bootup manager?
[01:41] <ecadre> that looks interesting
[01:41] <red22> ah i see
[01:43] <ecadre> he, he, someone requested the highlighting of scripts that were not installed (snigger)
[01:43] <ecadre> sorry
[01:46] <ecadre> I'm very bad for laughinh, you don't have to talk to me now (I'm already in Coventry though!!)
[01:47] <red22> heh
[01:47] <thoreauputic> that would be for the Schroedinger's Cat scripts ;)
[01:47] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:47] <ecadre> only if you looked
[01:48] <red22> thoreauputic, ty for link.  will try installing later.  that seems to be what i needed ty.
[01:48] <ecadre> I presume there shouldn't be any particular problem installing that onto Kubuntu
[01:48] <thoreauputic> red22: you're welcome :)
[01:52] <ecadre> I'm going to try it now
[01:53] <ecadre> it's only dependency is on the Perl-Gtk2 libraries
[01:54] <dutch> what's the equalivent of gedit in kubuntu ?
[01:55] <ecadre> kate ?
[01:55] <red22> kwrite
[01:56] <dutch> don't know, asking
[01:56] <red22> there used to be kedit, but it's being deprecated in favor of kwrite
[01:56] <thoreauputic> ecadre: red22 more info in the Ubuntu section of this article --> http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/8322/print (on boot up manager)
[01:56] <ecadre> ooh, thanks
[01:57] <red22> dutch: kwrite worked right?
[01:57] <dutch> ok, kwrite works...now, to see if I can print it
[01:59] <red22> damn, someone mentioned schroedinger and it's been a while since physics so i decided to look up again... what a tremendous headache i have worked up :P
[01:59] <red22> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schroedinger's_cat
[02:00] <thoreauputic> red22: hahah :)
[02:00] <red22> i wonder if that wiki entry helps anyone without a physics major..
[02:01] <phantombrainm> strange
[02:01] <ecadre> thoreaputic - that article claims that bum is in the Ubuntu repositories, however, I can't find it
[02:02] <red22> ah i get it now... if i impose a macroscopic wave function on my cat, then i will destroy it's superposition... easy.
[02:03] <ecadre> nah, Shroedinger was just tking the piss
[02:03] <thoreauputic> ecadre: ah - i just used the deb from the website - it won't break anything
[02:03] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg -i  to install it
[02:03] <ecadre> yeah, that was what I was about to do, but the mention of the repository made me look
[02:03] <red22> i'm also interested in a good sources.list file.  there's a lot of things not found by the default.
[02:03] <phantombrainm> i just understand 30-40% of the article. My english ist to bad for that difficult stuff
[02:04] <phantombrainm> pity
[02:04] <red22> what's your native language?
[02:04] <ecadre> show it to your cat
[02:04] <phantombrainm> german
[02:05] <phantombrainm> i just can read schoolenglish
[02:05] <ychahibi> How can I install a downloaded package (like bum) without having to fix dependencies manually with apt-get before doing dpkg -i ?
[02:05] <dutch> red22:  ok, using kwrite works, and now I can print..just took a few minutes to set up the printer
[02:05] <dutch> red22: thanks for the help
[02:06] <red22> dutch, glad to help, np
[02:06] <ecadre> woops, I clicked on the download and it opened up in Kate.........
[02:06] <thoreauputic> ychahibi: bum should install without dependencies: you shouldn't force an install if there are deps (obviously it wouldn't work anyway)
[02:06] <red22> phantom: what is german for cat? :)
[02:07] <phantombrainm> katze
[02:07] <red22> ah i see
[02:07] <red22> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrdingers_Katze  << knock yourself out :)
[02:07] <red22> hehe
[02:07] <phantombrainm> wow
[02:07] <phantombrainm> thanx
[02:07] <phantombrainm> :)
[02:07] <red22> lol yw
[02:08] <red22> i hope you get a massive headache like i did heh
[02:08] <phantombrainm> seems like
[02:09] <phantombrainm> in german its not easier than in english...*g*
[02:09] <red22> isn't that funny?  the wikipedia translations of the same entry even include different pictures
[02:09] <ychahibi> thoreauputic: When using urpmi for example, urpmi bum* automatically looks for missing packages, with Kubuntu, I have to do dpkg -i then look for missing packages, then do apt-get install <missingpacks> then dpkg -i
[02:09] <phantombrainm> yeah, thats funny
[02:09] <red22> yeah, the german one is a lot harder. but i don't speak german :)
[02:10] <red22> well, other than "katze" now.
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ychahibi: the urpmi trick only works for stuff that urpmi knows about (ie that's in the urpmi data base) - same with apt
[02:11] <phantombrainm> i dont get it. Is the Katze dead or alive ?!?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> ychahibi: best is to do an apt-cache search first - usually what you want is there in one of the repos
[02:12] <ychahibi> thoreauputic: not it isn't the case, urpmi looks for missing packages even if it's not presentin its repositories, anyway I don't want to troll ...
[02:13] <phantombrainm> Katzensuperpositionen
[02:14] <thoreauputic> *shrug* - as I said , the order in which you do it is the key: look for what you want in the repositories, enable univers and multiverse... urpmi isn't magic - it has to have somewhere to look too
[02:14] <red22> hehe
[02:15] <phantombrainm> how did you find that article?
[02:15] <ecadre> bum bum bum bum bum bum   :-)
[02:16] <red22> if you install firefox with the installer (mozilla.org download) will you be able to uninstall it with synaptic or any other easy uninstall tool?
[02:16] <ecadre> you can stick firefox into a single directory
[02:17] <phantombrainm> on wikipedia.fr (france) is another picture of the cat ;)
[02:17] <thoreauputic> red22: the package system won't know about an install from the installer, basically, so no, sysnaptic / apt won't see it at all
[02:18] <ecadre> they probably killed the original one
[02:18] <ychahibi> thoreauputic: I have a bad english, let me explain : Bum isn't present in the repositories, I downloaded it from its website, to install it I did :sudo dpkg -i bum* dpkg told there were missing dependencies ( gnome-perl ... ) , I did apt-get install <missingpacks>, then dpkg -i bum* to install bum, I thought apt-get install bum* would have resolved problems, but it hadn't
[02:18] <ecadre> only deb files can be tracked
[02:18] <ecadre> ^original cat
[02:18] <phantombrainm> if i install something by hand i can see it in synaptic
[02:19] <phantombrainm> if you convert *.rpm with alien to .deb you also see them when theyre installed
[02:19] <ecadre> i like BUM, thanks thoreauputic
[02:19] <ecadre> 'cos it's now a deb
[02:19] <thoreauputic> phantombrainm: yes, because you made a .deb
[02:20] <ecadre> ^.deb
[02:20] <red22> phantom, if you install "by hand" how?
[02:20] <ecadre> even more thanks to the guy who wrote it
[02:20] <phantombrainm> with dpkg
[02:20] <ecadre> then you're using the same system as apt-get uses
[02:21] <ecadre> apt
[02:21] <phantombrainm> dpkg -i *.deb
[02:21] <phantombrainm> or convert a *.rpm with alien
[02:21] <ecadre> aptitude package manager
[02:21] <phantombrainm> if you cant find a .deb
[02:22] <ecadre> uses dpkg
[02:22] <red22> can i see what files a package has? i'm curious where the default firefox installs all its files..
[02:22] <thoreauputic> red22: dpkg -L firefox
[02:22] <red22> like rpm's query function... apt or dpkg have that
[02:22] <red22> ah ty
[02:23] <phantombrainm> never used the -L switch. Interesting
[02:23] <thoreauputic> oops,  dpkg -L mozilla-firefox
[02:23] <ecadre> if you use the installer from firefox then everything is put into one directory
[02:23] <ecadre> you choose where
[02:23] <Borg^Queen> Hey people
[02:23] <Borg^Queen> and others
[02:23] <phantombrainm> ok. need to go to bed now. 2:23 AM here
[02:24] <Borg^Queen> I have a question about the latest release of KU. I have one I DLed about 4 months ago 5.04. Is the release on for DL the same as that one?
[02:24] <ecadre> hi borg
[02:24] <red22> phantom: c ya 'night
[02:24] <Borg^Queen> Hi ecadre. Good night phantombrainm
[02:24] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: you don't need to redownload an installer
[02:25] <godsmoke> you can just update your system via apt
[02:25] <Borg^Queen> ok butt?
[02:25] <Borg^Queen> ok
[02:25] <Borg^Queen> So use the current disc as the install then just do a distro update?
[02:25] <godsmoke> there's no reason to ever use a new installer -- unless you want to wipe your system
[02:25] <Borg^Queen> I wipe it all the time
[02:25] <godsmoke> well, it depends on what release you want
[02:25] <ecadre> or it's a new system
[02:25] <godsmoke> that's pointless
[02:25] <Borg^Queen> I learn by reinstalling over and over again
[02:26] <ecadre> what are you doing to your poor computer
[02:26] <ecadre> ?
[02:26] <Borg^Queen> I always want the latest release
[02:26] <godsmoke> anyway, depending on which release of kubuntu you'd like to run, you would set up apt differently
[02:26] <Borg^Queen> ecadre: learning
[02:26] <godsmoke> reinstalling doesn't actually teach you anything about linux
[02:26] <Borg^Queen> I install, tear the system apart and reinstall
[02:26] <ecadre> torture  :-O
[02:26] <godsmoke> it just teaches you how to use the dumb debian installer
[02:26] <godsmoke> which is really not worthwhile
[02:26] <phantombrainm> *g*
[02:27] <Borg^Queen> I find it useful
[02:27] <red22> dpkg -L <pname> only works if it is currently installed... is there nothing similar that queries the remote repository for the included files?
[02:27] <godsmoke> dpkg only deals with local packages
[02:27] <godsmoke> apt deals with retrieving packages
[02:27] <thoreauputic> red22: yes, apt-file - but you have to install it and update it
[02:27] <ecadre> you can look at the list of files if you use Synaptic
[02:27] <Borg^Queen> apt-get name of package
[02:27] <red22> install and update what?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> red22: the apt-file tool
[02:28] <thoreauputic> apt-cache show apt-file to read about it
[02:28] <Borg^Queen> ok thanks people.
[02:28] <Borg^Queen> Off to reinstall land
[02:28] <ecadre> yes, that's true, but life is too short for all that typing
[02:29] <Borg^Queen> May the source have mercy on my processor
[02:29] <godsmoke> ...
[02:29] <ecadre> Borg... that's Gentoo
[02:30] <Borg^Queen> Pardon?
[02:30] <godsmoke> ecadre: I don't know why you would say gentoo -- it's certainly not the only source-based distro
[02:30] <Borg^Queen> Ooooh
[02:30] <Borg^Queen> ecadre: we all come from the source code
[02:30] <ecadre> :-)
[02:30] <Borg^Queen> And we must return to the source
[02:31] <Borg^Queen> Boy was Matrix 3 disappointing
[02:31] <ecadre> you're sounding a bit messianic now
[02:31] <godsmoke> boy was Matrix > 1 retarded
[02:31] <Borg^Queen> You think?
[02:31] <godsmoke> absolutely
[02:31] <Borg^Queen> Why
[02:31] <godsmoke> horribly put together
[02:31] <ecadre> you'll be wanting to assimilate us next
[02:31] <Borg^Queen> ecadre: are you using gnu linux?
[02:32] <gdh> nearly as 'milking the concept' as Police Academy :)
[02:32] <Borg^Queen> Let's not talk about that series of crap
[02:32] <Borg^Queen> ecadre: are you using gnu linux?
[02:32] <godsmoke> haha
[02:32] <ecadre> yes, of course  (unless you're ESR)
[02:32] <Borg^Queen> Then you have already been assimilated....
[02:32] <godsmoke> wtf
[02:33] <godsmoke> is this star trek stuff now?
[02:33] <Borg^Queen> :D
[02:33] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[02:33] <godsmoke> get that crap out of here
[02:33] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: can't keep up?
[02:33] <red22> thoreauputic: eek, apt-file wants to download all the packages' contents from all the sources to keep an on disk list... it should just find the single package that you query and list its contents...
[02:33] <godsmoke> red22: read the apt manual
[02:33] <Borg^Queen> red22: use synaptic
[02:33] <godsmoke> don't use synaptic
[02:33] <ecadre> use synaptic
[02:33] <godsmoke> use apt -- just read the manual
[02:33] <thoreauputic> red22: no, it just updates the data base like apt-get update :)
[02:33] <Borg^Queen> use synaptic
[02:34] <ecadre> right click on a package and chhose properties
[02:34] <Borg^Queen> red22: give in to the darkside
[02:34] <red22> synaptic lists the contents of a particular package? individual filenames and directories?
[02:34] <ecadre> ^choose
[02:34] <Borg^Queen> Yes
[02:34] <ecadre> yes, yes, yes, yes
[02:35] <red22> ah neat. i only saw the description available
[02:35] <Borg^Queen> Welcome to the darkside
[02:35] <ecadre> you have to use the description tab if it's not installed already
[02:35] <godsmoke> I want to stab my eyes with something blunt
[02:35] <Borg^Queen> I can help
[02:35] <godsmoke> to distract myself from the pain here
[02:35] <ychahibi> APT: I installed an old wine version to make flash mx trial work on my box, I don't have synaptic and want to lock it, so if I do apt-get upgrade it won't be updated , is there any command to lock a package ?
[02:35] <ecadre> he, he
[02:36] <godsmoke> ychahibi: read the apt manual
[02:36] <godsmoke> this is a WELL COVERED TOPIC
[02:36] <godsmoke> blunt?
[02:36] <Borg^Queen> I didn't use the corners
[02:36] <godsmoke> dvd or vhs?
[02:36] <Borg^Queen> dvd of course
[02:36] <ecadre> theora
[02:37] <Borg^Queen> Mommie, what's VHS?
[02:37] <red22> nope, doesn't seem like synaptic will list individual files in a package if you haven't installed it yet..
[02:37] <Borg^Queen> betamax
[02:37] <godsmoke> theora is a file format ... we're talking physical format -- welcome to the conversation
[02:37] <ecadre> look on the "description" tab red22
[02:37] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: I'm talking about video formats
[02:37] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: physical video formats -- when you said "dvd" you didn't say "mpeg-2"
[02:37] <godsmoke> hence my point!
[02:38] <godsmoke> so, theora is not a competing product
[02:38] <Borg^Queen> Nope, neither I use LUV
[02:38] <ecadre> hah, I'll change that............. a lot of packages don't include it in their description....pooo
[02:38] <Borg^Queen> of GLUV
[02:38] <godsmoke> it has to download the package to find out all of the files in it
[02:38] <Borg^Queen> or
[02:38] <godsmoke> since the file list is part of the package itself
[02:38] <red22> ecadre: the "description" tab has a description.  no filesnames/directories/contents are listed there...
[02:38] <red22> at least for firefox
[02:38] <ecadre> ah well,  I'll just go to the corner and shoot myself  :-(
[02:39] <godsmoke> red22: listen to me ...
[02:39] <red22> lol ok
[02:39] <godsmoke> the file list is a part of the deb package
[02:39] <godsmoke> use apt-file
[02:39] <godsmoke> get over yourself
[02:39] <godsmoke> case closed
[02:39] <Borg^Queen> my goodness
[02:39] <godsmoke> jesus h christ
[02:39] <Borg^Queen> Who?
[02:39] <ecadre> yeah, keep that casa opn !!
[02:39] <ecadre> ^open
[02:39] <_sun> hello
[02:39] <red22> i was just enticed by the pretty gui to do it easy :P
[02:40] <ecadre> hello sun
[02:40] <godsmoke> well, you're dumb
[02:40] <godsmoke> another case closed
[02:40] <ecadre> oi
[02:40] <Borg^Queen> Here comes the sun
[02:40] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:40] <ecadre> sparcy
[02:40] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: thank you
[02:40] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: please be respectful and helpful
[02:40] <_sun> ecadre, i still don know how to make the printer working.
[02:40] <monchy> and take your medication
[02:40] <godsmoke> thank you -- I want to be a good child of god
[02:40] <red22> what is "h" in jesus "h" christ?
[02:41] <ecadre> henry
[02:41] <Borg^Queen> Indeed, I'm searching now...
 <godsmoke> this is a WELL COVERED TOPIC </q> : I can't see it any where !
[02:41] <red22> or herbert
[02:41] <godsmoke> ychahibi: I'm sorry, I can't help
[02:41] <Borg^Queen> Apparently "Holy"
[02:41] <ecadre> holy
[02:41] <Borg^Queen> Moving on
[02:41] <ychahibi> godsmoke : no problem
[02:42] <Borg^Queen> thanks for the help and the touch of insanity
[02:42] <godsmoke> this is the spirit of ubuntu!
[02:42] <ecadre> ?
[02:42] <ecadre> oh dear, the sun has left
[02:42] <godsmoke> not gonna do much good
[02:42] <monchy> it has to be a tranq gun?
[02:42] <Borg^Queen> monchy: yes
[02:43] <godsmoke> I just ran like 10 miles -- I'm exausted already
[02:43] <ecadre> trance gun?
[02:43] <godsmoke> exhausted*
[02:43] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke:  you can either behavior yourself and go back to using win95 alpha for all eternity
[02:43] <godsmoke> behavior myself
[02:43] <godsmoke> can I give you english lessons
[02:43] <monchy> and here it comes
[02:43] <Borg^Queen> Ooops behave
[02:44] <Borg^Queen> That was a tyyyppooo
[02:44] <godsmoke> no
[02:44] <Borg^Queen> Yes
[02:44] <godsmoke> it wasn't a typo
[02:44] <godsmoke> it was a different word
[02:44] <Borg^Queen> Nope
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ychahibi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-search.en.html#s-apt-file
[02:44] <Borg^Queen> ooh thanks thoreauputic
[02:44] <ecadre> here's a question
[02:45] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: a typo is a word misspelled or misused
[02:45] <ecadre> I was looking at the Canonical website earlier
[02:45] <Borg^Queen> canabal?
[02:45] <godsmoke> but that's not what this was
[02:45] <godsmoke> this was a grammatical error
[02:45] <ecadre> does Canonical have any developers based in South Africa?
[02:45] <godsmoke> a REAL word, related to the correct word
[02:45] <godsmoke> used incorrectly
[02:45] <godsmoke> far from a typo
[02:45] <Borg^Queen> hence a typo so thereee
[02:45] <ecadre> oi, shurrup  :-P
[02:46] <ecadre> * ducks*
[02:46] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[02:46] <Borg^Queen> Its doesn't matter, he's a man and there for wrong by genetics
[02:46] <Borg^Queen> :D
[02:46] <godsmoke> oh boy
[02:46] <ecadre> "there fore"
[02:46] <godsmoke> want me to correct that sentence too??
[02:46] <Borg^Queen> LOL therefore
[02:46] <ecadre> you've got me at it now/??!!
[02:46] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[02:46] <godsmoke> "by genetics" is very wrong
[02:47] <godsmoke> "by nature" -- "due to genetics"
[02:47] <godsmoke> take your pick
[02:47] <monchy> this is great
[02:47] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: did it everr accur to u that I'm puling your chain?
[02:47] <ecadre> anyway........... about Canonical
[02:47] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: no, but I'd suspect you to use it as an excuse for grammatical errors
[02:47] <ecadre> la, la, la, la, la
[02:47] <Borg^Queen> I'm sorry ecadre I'm finished.  God on.
[02:47] <ecadre> not listening
[02:47] <Borg^Queen> Go I mean lol
[02:47] <ecadre> :-)
[02:48] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: you' re too easy
[02:48] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: I suggest you try #ubuntu-de or #ubuntu-pt and see how well you manage there: it might have escaped your attention that not everyone in this channel has English as first language, and that a world exists outside North America
[02:48] <godsmoke> thank you
[02:48] <Borg^Queen> Anyway, thanks again. BBL
[02:48] <godsmoke> that's what I tell all the ladies
[02:48] <ecadre> I was just wondering about Canonical, and whether they have any developers in South Africa
[02:48] <Borg^Queen> thoreauputic: good point.
[02:49] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: no -- that's the point -- this is an english-speaking channel -- if I were in #ubuntu-de -- I would be expected to articulate myself in german
[02:49] <Borg^Queen> I speak 5 languages. It can become confusing
[02:49] <godsmoke> and that's why I don't go there
[02:49] <godsmoke> I respect other languages
[02:49] <godsmoke> and wouldn't attempt to butcher them
[02:49] <godsmoke> I expect the same here
[02:49] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: you will find that the Germans are very patient with those trying to learn German
[02:49] <ecadre> their website only mentions europe, south america and somewherwe else, nothing about Africa
[02:49] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: I'm german :)
[02:49] <Borg^Queen> You're an oddity
[02:50] <godsmoke> that's what the manager of the psych facility told me
[02:50] <godsmoke> before I was released
[02:50] <ecadre> * gone to sulk *
[02:50] <ecadre> :-(
[02:50] <Borg^Queen> What is Canonical anyway
[02:50] <ecadre> brb
[02:50] <monchy> lol
[02:50] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: the company that supports Ubuntu
[02:50] <Borg^Queen> No no no, I'm sorry ecadre I'll shut up now.
[02:50] <Borg^Queen> Ah
[02:51] <Borg^Queen> I thought it was based in SA
[02:51] <godsmoke> nope
[02:51] <ecadre> back, just getting a drink
[02:51] <godsmoke> The Isle of Man
[02:51] <ecadre> yeah, that was the impression that I had as well
[02:51] <Borg^Queen> Hmm
[02:52] <ecadre> ISM is where it's registered as a company
[02:52] <godsmoke> right
[02:52] <godsmoke> hence "based"
[02:52] <ecadre> doesn't mean it's based ther
[02:52] <ecadre> ^there
[02:52] <godsmoke> well -- it's really just a rough collection of people
[02:52] <Borg^Queen> What is?
[02:52] <godsmoke> but, if it were to be based anywhere -- it's that
[02:52] <godsmoke> Canonical
[02:52] <Borg^Queen> ah
[02:52] <godsmoke> btw -- ecadre: "Canonical is a global organisation headquartered in the Isle of Man, with employees throughout Europe, North America, South America and Australia."
[02:53] <Borg^Queen> Nice work for a rough collection of people.
[02:53] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: Ubuntu is the work of many people
[02:53] <Borg^Queen> I know
[02:53] <godsmoke> not Canonical alone by any means
[02:53] <ecadre> yeas, that's what I read
[02:53] <godsmoke> plenty of communty effort
[02:53] <Borg^Queen> I know
[02:53] <gdh> Do Canonical employ anyone specifically for Kubuntu?
[02:53] <godsmoke> I don't think Kubuntu is Canonical supported at all
[02:54] <gdh> Or is it just riddell, amu and friends doing their best in spare time?
[02:54] <godsmoke> I think it was a community-led effort, which Ubuntu has adopted packages from
[02:54] <ecadre> I found it a bit odd because of Mark Shuttleworth's continuing heavy involvement with promoting open source in SA
[02:54] <Borg^Queen> KU isn't a UB official project
[02:54] <godsmoke> an*
[02:54] <ecadre> and his avowed aim for promoting indeginous industry in Africa
[02:54] <Borg^Queen> explain
[02:55] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: I'm surprised to see you ended a sentence with a preposition: tutu tut
[02:55] <ecadre> ^indigenous
[02:55] <Borg^Queen> OUCH
[02:55] <red22> alright it's been interesting. ty. goodnight.
[02:55] <Borg^Queen> GN
[02:55] <ecadre> according to the Kubuntu website it is an official Ubuntu project
[02:56] <gdh> Just not funded or available on Ship-It :)
[02:56] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: it's loose, not incorrect
[02:56] <Borg^Queen> OH it is?
[02:56] <Borg^Queen> I could swear I read it wasn't a UB project
[02:56] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: "this is the sort of English up with which I will not put!" - Winston Churchill
[02:56] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:57] <ecadre> It's a discussion point, not a criticism, since I know very little about the setup of Canonical
[02:57] <Borg^Queen> ecadre: you're a trouble maker
[02:57] <ecadre> but I was under the impression that it had more of an involvement in SA
[02:57] <Borg^Queen> JK
[02:57] <godsmoke> I met one of the 8 supposed Canonical employees paid to work on Ubuntu -- he didn't present it as an impressive operation
[02:57] <ecadre> trouble?
[02:57] <Borg^Queen> JK
[02:57] <Ayreon> O.o
[02:58] <Borg^Queen> o_0
[02:58] <ecadre> oooooo
[02:58] <ecadre> ?
[02:58] <Borg^Queen> >:
[02:58] <Ayreon> @_o
[02:58] <ecadre> where was that godsmoke?
[02:58] <Borg^Queen> IRC fights
[02:58] <godsmoke> ecadre: at a nyc2600 meeting
[02:58] <gdh> lamer train now leaving at platform 1337. all aboard!
[02:58] <ecadre> * not fighting *
[02:58] <godsmoke> Ben Mako, I believe
[02:59] <Borg^Queen> gdh: there are not lamers, only geeks
[02:59] <ecadre> righty ho, I'm just curious
[02:59] <Borg^Queen> no
[02:59] <gdh> :))
[03:00] <ecadre> now, back to the proper subject of spilling
[03:00] <godsmoke> I'm starting to get the feeling back in my feet and lower legs
[03:00] <ecadre> ^spulling
[03:00] <gdh> speelong?
[03:00] <Borg^Queen> I'm assuming Kubuntu has all the packages I need to compile my own apps after I install them off the reps right?
[03:00] <godsmoke> ^spyllngsad
[03:00] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: Kubuntu is just a set of kde packages
[03:00] <godsmoke> lobbed onto Ubuntu
[03:00] <gdh> Borg^Queen: Yes.
[03:00] <godsmoke> so, yes, Ubuntu has plenty of compilers
[03:01] <ecadre> Borg, yes
[03:01] <Borg^Queen> godsmoke: I know that. That wasn't my question.
[03:01] <Borg^Queen> thank you gdh
[03:01] <godsmoke> no, Kubuntu does not have compilers
[03:01] <godsmoke> :)
[03:01] <godsmoke> Ubuntu does, if that's what you want :)
[03:01] <gdh> Borg^Queen: typically 'apt-get build-dep packagename' will get all the dependent -dev packages you need to recompile packagename
[03:01] <ecadre> * pokes god with a stick *
[03:02] <Borg^Queen> thanks gdh
[03:02] <godsmoke> Borg^Queen: I can't feel it yet
[03:02] <godsmoke> give me 10 more minutes
[03:02] <Borg^Queen> numb from the abuse?
[03:02] <gdh> godsmoke: how did you lose feeling in your lower half?
[03:02] <godsmoke> just my lower quarter
[03:02] <Borg^Queen> oooooh
[03:02] <godsmoke> running
[03:02] <Borg^Queen> from what?
 running
[03:03] <gdh> erk - sounds like entirely too much effort
[03:03] <ecadre> just reboot
[03:03] <godsmoke> I'm entered in the Opel Ironman with my father
[03:03] <Borg^Queen> kool
[03:03] <Borg^Queen> Now its definitely GN.
[03:03] <Borg^Queen> GN!
[03:04] <godsmoke> heh
[03:04] <ecadre> http://www.opel-ironman.de/
[03:04] <godsmoke> ecadre: you are a champion googler
[03:04] <gdh> LOL
[03:05] <godsmoke> I just hope I can finish
[03:05] <godsmoke> that's all
[03:07] <ecadre> have fun
[03:07] <godsmoke> ecadre: I plan to
[03:07] <godsmoke> my father lost 10,000 calories -- 8 pounds of water in 2003
[03:07] <ecadre> good,
[03:07] <godsmoke> I hope we won't repeat that
[03:07] <godsmoke> good?
[03:07] <godsmoke> that's horrible
[03:07] <ecadre> no, good to have fun
[03:07] <godsmoke> he had to go to the hospital
[03:08] <ecadre> you beat me to it with the stuff about your dad, that doesn't look good at all
[03:08] <godsmoke> heh
[03:08] <godsmoke> he came out alright
[03:08] <godsmoke> he's an old man :)
[03:09] <ecadre> what about water/rehydration points and all that
[03:09] <gdh> I can't imagine any amount of 'enormous sense of achievement' compensating for that level of pain
[03:10] <ecadre> I've fallen off a mountain (not very far!), it was painful, but i still climb every now and then
[03:11] <godsmoke> ecadre: well, until you do a long-distance tri -- you don't know what it's like
[03:11] <godsmoke> I mean ... hydration is so hard to keep track of
[03:11] <godsmoke> after you're halfway through the bike -- you're barely conscious of stuff around you
[03:11] <ecadre> no, probably not, I was just replying to gdh
[03:11] <godsmoke> your body doesn't really tell you how hydrated you are at that point
[03:12] <godsmoke> and if you drink too much ... you can easily do damage to your body if you race like that
[03:12] <godsmoke> but I'm gonna pace him this year -- keep track of his sodium intake as well as I can without a chemistry set ;)
[03:12] <ecadre> ah well, I'll think of that the next time I try to throw myself off a cliff  :-)
[03:13] <godsmoke> hahaa
[03:13] <godsmoke> how far did you fall?
[03:13] <ecadre> only about a hundred feet or so
[03:13] <godsmoke> wow
[03:13] <godsmoke> that sounds really scary
[03:13] <ecadre> bounced around and ended upside down
[03:14] <godsmoke> I'm not one for heights
[03:14] <gdh> Ouch. Did you even get $250 from 'World's Scariest Moments' through a passer-by with a camcorder?
[03:15] <ecadre> just bruises and stuff, I think it frightened my friend more than me
[03:15] <ecadre> until I gott back down to the bottom that is
[03:15] <ecadre> adreniline and all that
[03:15] <ecadre> ^got
[03:16] <ecadre> no camcorders, it was all rather boring
[03:16] <godsmoke> and painful, I imagine
[03:16] <gdh> Yes, lots of pain.
[03:16] <ecadre> someone waved at us, i waved back so they went away  ;-)
[03:16] <gdh> Haha :)
[03:17] <ychahibi> thoreauputic: Thanks for everything
[03:18] <ecadre> anyway the scenery was nice (Snowdonia)  :-)
[03:19] <ecadre> are all of these people actually here watching this discussion?
[03:19] <godsmoke> I'm not even watching it
[03:19] <ecadre> or are they just pretending?
[03:19] <godsmoke> I'm making a floorplan of my office
[03:20] <godsmoke> but, have no good software for it
[03:20] <ecadre> bits of paper are very useful
[03:20] <godsmoke> eh -- pain in the ass for trying to move stuff around
[03:20] <godsmoke> and measuring distances
[03:20] <ecadre> are you going to cut out shapes for all your furniture?
[03:20] <godsmoke> no, I'm doing it on the computer
[03:21] <ecadre> you can move them around and see where things fit
[03:21] <godsmoke> fancy schmancy
[03:21] <ecadre> yeah, better than those computer thingies, I don't believe in them myself....
[03:30] <godsmoke> I love the fishes 'cause they're so delicious
[03:37] <ecadre> pardon?
[04:03] <liz4rd> i get this:  error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory while trying to ope ncertain programs....why? synaptic says i have them
[04:07] <segphault> I'm an ubuntu user and I want to use Kexi, but I don't particularly want or need other KDE packages (tho I might need some more in the future) anybody have any suggestions?
[04:08] <segphault> is it possible to add a kubuntu repos to my apt sources list and just grab the stuff I need?
[04:29] <hon> how is breezy now? is it close to be stable?
[04:47] <torz> hey how do I configure the programs to load at startup?
[04:48] <torz> System -> Preferences -> Sessions in Gnome but I have no idea in KDE
[05:08] <julius> hkj
[05:08] <julius> julius
[05:22] <deadlyshadow> Does anyone know how I get the latest version of KDE on Kubuntu?
[05:27] <crimsun> have you read the topic? :)
[05:29] <deadlyshadow> Crimsun: On which forums? LOL.
[05:29] <crimsun> deadlyshadow, the topic has information RE: KDE 3.4.1 on Kubuntu
[05:30] <deadlyshadow> Yes, but on which forums?
[05:31] <crimsun> huh?
[05:31] <monchy> ubuntuforums.org lol
[05:31] <crimsun> the topic in this channel has the appropriate deb lines you need to add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:31] <deadlyshadow> -.-
[05:31] <crimsun> rather, it has a url that contains the appropriate deb lines
[05:31] <deadlyshadow> I feel mental now.
[05:32] <monchy> add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main to your sources.list
[05:33] <deadlyshadow> Hey, uh, whats the name of the package?
[05:34] <crimsun> the same as the ones you have installed.  I have install BlueZ.
[12:03] <Brydenn[WU] > hey
[12:03] <nikkia> froud, i'd recommend kdebluetooth next
[12:04] <Brydenn[WU] > if i'm gonna use a progy to run win XP Pro in Linux... what is the best app for that?
[12:04] <Brydenn[WU] > Win4Lin VMware?
[12:04] <Brydenn[WU] > etc
[12:04] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : i use vmware, but thats because work bought me a license
[12:04] <Kaiser_away> what's the app?
[12:05] <Brydenn[WU] > well if you had a choice nikkia
[12:05] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : it'd still be vmware :)
[12:05] <Brydenn[WU] > what's more "stable" and uses less resourses
[12:05] <Brydenn[WU] > heh ok
[12:05] <Brydenn[WU] > yah it seems pretty popular from what i've read so far
[12:05] <nikkia> 5.0 is pretty good, too
[12:06] <Brydenn[WU] > so...
[12:06] <nikkia> altho, despite following their instructions, i haven't gotten D3D support enabled yet
[12:06] <Brydenn[WU] > eh
[12:06] <nikkia> vmware5 added support for D3D acceleration
[12:06] <nikkia> but you have to enable it in config files, because its 'still beta quality'
[12:07] <Brydenn33> haha omg
[12:07] <Brydenn33> i was on the damn socks proxy
[12:07] <Brydenn33> didnt even realize it
[12:08] <Brydenn33> no wonder i was having problems staying online
[12:08] <Brydenn33> anyway... what do you know nikkia
[12:17] <froud> nikkia: kdebluetooth is not in any of the repositories
[12:18] <nikkia> froud, no, you have to add a specific repository
[12:18] <nikkia> hold on
[12:19] <nikkia> deb http://fred.hexbox.de/debian ./
[12:19] <KaiL> I have the package somewhere here (for hoary)
[12:21] <petya> re all
[12:21] <petya> i am using kubuntu, and i have problema with hungarian accented characters
[12:21] <petya> there is no  and  chars in qt applications
[12:22] <petya> it just types sqares instead of them, otherwise, it's normal
[12:22] <froud> nikkia: OK thanks
[12:22] <KaiL> nikkia: the version number in that package is quite bad selected - that will be seen as "newer than 1.0 final"...
[12:22] <petya> if i copy and paste the text to a gtk application it's normal again
[12:22] <petya> i use the same font for qt and kde
[12:23] <petya> what can be the problem?
[12:24] <KaiL> which font?
[12:24] <KaiL> ....looks ok in everything "normal" here...
[12:24] <nikkia> kail, don't blame me, i didn't package it
[12:25] <petya> KaiL: every font, but the first i tried was sans serif
[12:25] <petya> some language pack i forgot t install?
[12:25] <petya> i have installed kde-i18n-hu too
[12:25] <KaiL> strange..
[12:25] <petya> and hungarian language pack
[12:25] <petya> KaiL: i think it is definitely some kde based stuff
[12:26] <Poromies> petya, i have the same problem but with finnish language and 4.3.1 KDE
[12:26] <petya> KaiL: could you please tell me wich language related packages do you have installed?
[12:26] <KaiL> afaik default is Bitsream Vera Sans - and there it works...?!? :)
[12:26] <petya> for example dpkg -l |grep lang
[12:27] <petya> i check
[12:27] <petya> KaiL: no, it's the same there
[12:27] <KaiL> to test I've just used your line as the example for the KDE font-change-dialog
[12:28] <jesus> hey i have a computer running kubuntu and it has 3 hard drives but says it cant find them in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i try to mount the others
[12:29] <petya> KaiL: in the test dialog it works for me too
[12:29] <petya> for some fonts
[12:30] <petya> but for example in quanta or kwrite it doesn't
[12:30] <KaiL> most here
[12:30] <jesus> can anyone help?
[12:30] <petya> KaiL: can you try it with kwrite?
[12:31] <KaiL> hmm...
[12:31] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/meine_Zeichen.htm open that in konqueror and press crtl+u
[12:32] <KaiL> ..a kwrite will pop up and show many many characters as blocks...
[12:32] <jesus> can either of you guys help?
[12:32] <petya> yes
[12:32] <KaiL> ah, yes
[12:32] <petya> but in konqueror it displays properly
[12:33] <KaiL> ....there Bitstream Vera fails deadly
[12:33] <petya> but with sans serif it does the same
[12:33] <KaiL> that's only a link to "somewhere" ;)
[12:34] <petya> ah:)
[12:34] <petya> can you give me a font wich works?
[12:34] <petya> shall I install some true type font?
[12:34] <KaiL> FreeMono and FreeSans
[12:34] <petya> and what about fixed fonts?
[12:34] <KaiL> FreeSerif mostly
[12:34] <petya> i tried freesans, it doesn't work eiether
[12:34] <petya> either
[12:35] <petya> freeserif does the same thing
[12:35] <KaiL> sorry, FreeSerif always, FreeSans mostly :)
[12:35] <KaiL> (at least here)
[12:36] <petya> none of them works
[12:36] <KaiL> FreeMono always works (and should be perfect for editors)
[12:37] <KaiL> that's btw. what the page uses
[12:37] <froud> nikkia: thanks bluetooth working ;-)
[12:37] <KaiL> ...in konq
[12:37] <buz> will we get kde 3.4.2?
[12:37] <petya> freemono produce that too
[12:38] <KaiL> you see the characters on that page in konqueror all ok?
[12:38] <petya> yes
[12:38] <petya> but in the editor, i see squares
[12:39] <KaiL> that pages is forced to use FreeMono
[12:39] <KaiL> guess, why :)
[12:39] <petya> yes
[12:40] <petya> sorry, that not here
[12:40] <petya> i can guess why:)
[12:40] <petya> but it doesn't work
[12:40] <KaiL> it's the only (?) font to show all this silly chars
[12:40] <petya> now i set everything to freemono, and it's still doesn't work
[12:40] <nikkia> works here, change kate's settings for font to use 'FreeMono 14' and bingo, they all appear
[12:41] <jesus> hey i have a computer running kubuntu and it has 3 hard drives but says it cant find them in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i try to mount the others
[12:43] <petya> nikkia: how do you change that?
[12:43] <petya> i used xfce before
[12:44] <KaiL> petya: settings -> configure kate -> fonts&colors -> font
[12:46] <nikkia> (FreeMono 12 works, i just felt the characters were a little small in freemono :)
[12:46] <petya> KaiL: thx, i got it
[12:46] <KaiL> nikkia: that's why I made them so huge
[12:47] <KaiL> esp. as they are sometimes VERY difficult to identify
[12:47] <nikkia> *nod*
[12:47] <nikkia> i've never really understood why 12pt in one font shouldn't look the same size as 12pt in another font
[12:47] <KaiL> don't forget: that's everything, you can call "latin font"
[12:48] <nikkia> kail, well, its a bit more than latin-1, which is why the boxes appear
[12:48] <nikkia>  isn't in latin-1 for example
[12:48] <KaiL> nikkia: yes, every kind of latin
[12:49] <KaiL> even some slavic or celtic languages are called to use some "latin font" :)
[12:49] <nikkia> kail, i see what you're saying, but to me 'latin font' refers to latin-1 :)
[12:50] <KaiL> not in that page
[12:51] <petya> but if it were font problem, i still cannot figure out why did it work in gtk
[12:57] <nikkia> you know what i'd like? i'd like the xorg people to standardise specifying a desktop number as a -geometry argument :P
[12:58] <nikkia> (while they're at it, they can add in xinerama geometry rules, but i'm not so bothered by that)
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > hey nikkia
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > got a copy of VMware v5 you wanna send me ;)
[02:01] <nikkia> bryden, just dl it from their site
[02:01] <nikkia> the license key is the bit that's tricky :P
[02:01] <nikkia> altho, if you try really hard, i'm sure you could find one
[02:02] <twidget> I've just installed Kubuntu as my first OSS OS... and I like!
[02:05] <twidget> What about anti-virus/anti-spyware software? Do I need to install anything?
[02:06] <Poromies> generaly no, linux doesnt have that problem
[02:06] <twidget> Really?
[02:06] <Poromies> you might need a firewall though, but its not that important either than it is on the windows-land
[02:07] <twidget> Recommendation on a firewall?
[02:07] <Poromies> i use guarddog, its simple and fast to set up
[02:08] <twidget> link, by chance?
[02:08] <Poromies> open synaptic and search with it
[02:08] <Poromies> or type this in terminal "sudo apt-get install guarddog"
[02:10] <twidget> where/what is synaptic? (I'm a total newbie, sorry)
[02:10] <Poromies> synaptic/kynaptic are the main ways to install software to Ubuntu, and if you like to use terminal the "apt" is the way
[02:10] <Poromies> klik K menu, then System and there is Kynaptic :)
[02:11] <twidget> This is so frikkin cool!
[02:11] <Poromies> hmm, for a total newbie, i recommend reading the forums, then the ubuntuguide and latest the kubuntuguide for detailed information how to install software, to get to know repositories and how to modify them and all.. :)
[02:11] <twidget> Why did I wait so long?!
[02:12] <Poromies> www.ubuntuforums.org www.ubuntuguide.org and http://kudos.berlios.de
[02:13] <maddwarf> i'm having trouble getting my ati card to work to its full capacity. i have run xorgconfig and told it what i have, but am unable to get  above 1024x768, (60Hz). I would like to get up to 1600x1200 (75Hz) but can;t see any way to do this
[02:13] <twidget> God, I feel like a kid on Christmas morning! :)
[02:14] <Poromies> :)
[02:15] <maddwarf> anyone know how i can improve my ATI performance?
[02:16] <Poromies> twidget: if i were you, i would first read about adding more repositories to apt/kynaptic/synaptic.. by default you have the main repositories open (wich are good, stable and realiable sources of software packages) but if you like to get restricted packages like medialibrarys, codecs and such working, youll have to tweak a bit and and repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:16] <Poromies> maddwarf: id be keen to know more about them also, coz im having bit of trouble with mine also :)
[02:17] <Poromies> but i think mine is just because i have 64bit system, and ati doesnt fully support that
[02:18] <maddwarf> Poromies: i had the card working just fine under slackware, but my hdd crashed, and so i installed Kubuntu, but i can;t get them back working 8o((
[02:18] <Poromies> :(
[02:18] <maddwarf> i don;t want 3d support (yet), but something above 1024x768 would suit my 20" montor better ...
[02:19] <Poromies> have you installed the ati drivers 8.14.13 or something like that?
[02:19] <Poromies> or have ya installed them from repos?
[02:20] <maddwarf> i looked thrrough kynaptic, and installed anything ATI i could find (not much) ...
[02:20] <Poromies> do you have 32bit or 64bit system?
[02:20] <maddwarf> 32
[02:21] <maddwarf> the ATI control panel says i do not have all the libraries
[02:21] <maddwarf> (FIreGL missing)
[02:22] <maddwarf> and i am using Mesa 6.1.2
[02:24] <Poromies> hmm
[02:25] <Poromies> have you read guides in forums or ubuntuguide?
[02:25] <maddwarf> i'm struggling to find anything. where should i look?
[02:25] <Poromies> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[02:26] <Poromies> and this is a index of how-tos: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094
[02:26] <maddwarf> great, i'll have a read through. thnx
[02:26] <Poromies> beeing bit of a linux-noob myself, I bookmark all good sources of infomation ;D
[02:27] <maddwarf> 8o)
[02:27] <Poromies> oh, and this is the one i followed to get partial 64bit support or something: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[02:27] <Poromies> those are instructions to install the lates official ATI drivers
[02:29] <maddwarf> ok, gonna look, see what i can;t get working 8o)
[02:35] <maddwarf> how do i find my kernel version?
[02:36] <tilix> maddwarf: uname -a or in Kcontrol
[02:38] <maddwarf> thnx
[02:39] <tilix> anybody of the Kubuntu developers here?
[02:49] <mart> hi, anyone know why installing php4 gets me a web server...?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> because that's what it's usualy used for
[02:52] <mart> bah.  so much for having different development box and a server box.
[03:00] <ezequiel> hi ppl
[03:01] <ezequiel> isn't there any qt4 build for ubuntu?
[03:08] <MadDwarf> well, that didn;t work! tried installing ATI drivers, didn;t work (no screens found)... tried restoring to xorgconf-old and i got horrid banding across my screen! 8o((
[03:08] <MadDwarf> anyone any ideas how i ca get a readable screen back?
[03:10] <MadDwarf> if i CTRL-ALT-backspace, i see a load of errors - skipping /etc/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore/a:m_debug_xxxx
[03:13] <MadDwarf> i can;t find any reference to this line ( /etc/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore/a:m_debug_xxxx) in my xorg.conf
[03:14] <MadDwarf> can anyone see where my problem is?
[03:18] <mart> MadDwarf: it might be related to the Load "GLcore" line in your xorg.conf
[03:19] <MadDwarf> ok - i'll comment that out. thnx
[03:19] <mart> but I don't know how to fix it :(
[03:20] <MadDwarf> i don;t have Load "GLcore"
[03:20] <MadDwarf> i have Load "glx"
[03:21] <MadDwarf> #'d Load "glx" and get a different set of errors!
[03:21] <mart> MadDwarf: you want glx
[03:21] <mart> MadDwarf: but I don't know if your binary drivers(?) also want GLcore
[03:23] <MadDwarf> from what i have read, i probably do want GLcore
[03:23] <mart> MadDwarf: you get to pick it when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it's probably just easier to add the line at the top of the modules section
[03:24] <mart> where the line == Load "GLcore"
[03:26] <MadDwarf> just tried that - no difference
[03:44] <mart> ah php4-cgi seems to be the package I needed if I don't want a web server
[04:39] <tracksomething> does someone knows how to make a sound blaster live actually sound?
[05:15] <eolo> hi guys, I would like to install firefox in my kubuntu; I only find tar.gz file how can i build a deb package?
[05:16] <gdh> eolo: er, you need to look again - firefox is already packaged..
[05:16] <gdh> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:16] <gdh> or use kynaptic
[05:17] <eolo> it answer me: Il pacchetto mozilla-firefox non ha candidati da installare
[05:17] <eolo> it doesn't have candidates
[05:18] <eolo> perhaps i have to edit the config file of apt-get
[05:18] <eolo> how?
[05:18] <gdh> just open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor
[05:18] <gdh> from a Konsole, something like 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:18] <gdh> type your login password when asked
[05:19] <gdh> just check that you have a line like "deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted"
[05:19] <_P_> eolo:
[05:19] <_P_> vieni  in pvt che  ti aiuto
[05:31] <geiseri> hmmm is anyone aware that kmail will sigfpe when you delete an email in the latest KDE packages?
[05:31] <geiseri> this seems to be a backported bug from kde 3.5
[05:39] <twidget> Is there a reason behind Kubuntu partitioning my HD into 1.0K, 246G and 3.1G partitions?
[05:40] <_death> yo i installed nvidia-glx with kynaptic but its not working
[05:53] <mart> twidget: sounds like the 'guided partitioning'
[05:54] <twidget> I found out what they are: boot, swap and /
[05:54] <mart> twidget: it's supposed to be helpful, but for that size of disk you might as well use 1 or 2
[05:54] <mart> unless it's a server
[05:55] <mart> actually, that seems fairly sensible, now I think about it
[05:55] <twidget> Nah, I'm just coming from 20 years of Windows and it bothered me not knowing why it did it
[05:55] <mart> twidget: don't worry about it
[05:56] <mart> ah, 246G. I misread
[05:56] <mart> hmm, 1kb are you sure?
[05:57] <twidget> That's what it says
[05:57] <mart> df -h ?
[05:57] <twidget> You're talking Greek to me! :)
[05:58] <mart> type it in konsole :)
[05:58] <twidget> I'm guessing that's a terminal command
[05:59] <mart> select the output, then just a middle click in your irc input
[06:00] <twidget> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:00] <twidget> /dev/sda1             227G  1.7G  214G   1% /
[06:00] <twidget> tmpfs                 500M     0  500M   0% /dev/shm
[06:00] <twidget> /dev                  227G  1.7G  214G   1% /.dev
[06:00] <twidget> none                  5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  55% /dev
[06:00] <twidget> /dev/hda              1.2M  1.2M     0 100% /media/cdrom0
[06:01] <gdh> hda is your CD ROM drive ... a boot CD in the drive?
[06:02] <gdh> sda1 is your hard disk - I guess it's Serial-ATA ?
[06:02] <twidget> no
[06:02] <twidget> and yes
[06:02] <mart> :)
[06:03] <mart> ok, sorry, as root try:
[06:03] <mart> echo p | fdisk /dev/sda
[06:03] <mart> is more useful output
[06:04] <mart> twidget: ?
[06:05] <twidget> I've removed the CD. All that was on it was my bookmarks file.
[06:05] <twidget> and it is set to boot prior to my HD
[06:05] <twidget> FD, CD, HD in that order
[06:06] <mart> ok, but you've booted from your HD right?
[06:06] <twidget> yes
[06:06] <mart> cool, what does the command above show?
[06:06] <twidget> oh... hang on
[06:07] <twidget> unable to open
[06:07] <mart> as root
[06:08] <twidget> with the CD back in
[06:08] <mart> CD doesn't matter
[06:08] <twidget> oh
[06:08] <twidget> then, what do you mean?
[06:08] <mart> you need to be root to read the partition table, so type 'su' then your root password
[06:08] <mart> argh
[06:08] <mart> not explaining very well
[06:08] <mart> su is a command
[06:09] <twidget> system user, I'd guess
[06:09] <mart> 'super-user'? I've never thought about it
[06:09] <mart> so your shell prompt should end in # rather than $
[06:10] <twidget> authentication failure
[06:10] <mart> ok, you need to type the root password you gave when you installed
[06:10] <mart> not your user password
[06:10] <twidget> sudo
[06:10] <twidget> ?
[06:11] <mart> er, which did you type?
[06:11] <twidget> I thought I did
[06:11] <mart> try 'su' with your root password
[06:12] <twidget> not working
[06:12] <mart> (if you use 'sudo' you will need your user password, but I don't know if that will be set up for you)
[06:12] <gdh> kubuntu has no root password by default
[06:12] <gdh> sudo will be set up
[06:12] <twidget> ah
[06:13] <mart> gdh: ok, that's changed since I installed :)
[06:13] <gdh> =)
[06:13] <twidget> so, what then do I do?
[06:13] <mart> try 'sudo -s'
[06:13] <mart> then your password
[06:14] <twidget> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 30401.
[06:14] <twidget> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[06:14] <twidget> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[06:14] <mart> ignore that
[06:14] <twidget> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
[06:14] <twidget> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
[06:14] <mart> skip to the lines /dev/...
[06:14] <twidget>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[06:14] <twidget> Command (m for help):
[06:14] <twidget> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[06:15] <twidget> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
[06:15] <twidget> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:15] <twidget>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:15] <twidget> /dev/sda1   *           1       30028   241199878+  83  Linux
[06:15] <twidget> /dev/sda2           30029       30401     2996122+   5  Extended
[06:15] <twidget> /dev/sda5           30029       30401     2996091   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:15] <twidget> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[06:15] <twidget> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
[06:15] <twidget> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:15] <mart> I don't see a 1kb partition :)
[06:16] <mart> I think that's probably just free space that it didn't allocate
[06:16] <twidget> it's just a data CD
[06:16] <mart> this is your hard disk we're looking at
[06:16] <twidget> oh
[06:16] <mart> you were asking why it had partitioned it like it had?
[06:16] <twidget>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:16] <twidget> /dev/sda1   *           1       30028   241199878+  83  Linux
[06:16] <twidget> /dev/sda2           30029       30401     2996122+   5  Extended
[06:16] <twidget> /dev/sda5           30029       30401     2996091   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:17] <mart> so that's really just two partitions (PC partition tables are crazy)
[06:17] <mart> one primary, with all your data in /dev/sda1
[06:18] <gdh> twidget: your '500M' tmpfs from above is just a RAM-disk
[06:18] <gdh> the '227G /dev' doesn't actually exist - great, eh? :)
[06:20] <mart> twidget: it's not worth worrying about
[06:20] <gdh> heh, was just going to say that
[06:20] <twidget> I know...
[06:20] <mart> try looking in your system menu, for "KInfoCenter"
[06:20] <mart> and look at the "Storage Devices" section
[06:20] <mart> it's easier to read
[06:20] <twidget> Hey, my motherboard keeps beeping every once in a while!
[06:21] <twidget> I just started noticing it this morning
[06:22] <gdh> twidget: next chance you get, I'd maybe reboot and look in the bios at the PC Health stuff - check the temperatures?
[06:22] <twidget> My root folder... that's the equiv of "My Documents"?
[06:22] <gdh> would be easier than trying to get the sensors support to work :)
[06:22] <mart> twidget: even when you're not using the machine?
[06:23] <twidget> mart, No. At least... I don't think so
[06:23] <SysFail>  can anybody verify that doing the upgrade to kde 3.4.1 will end the konqeror crashes?
[06:23] <mart> twidget: it might just be system notification, you might be able to turn it off
[06:23] <js_> SysFail: not here
[06:24] <SysFail> few ppl in the forums said it did
[06:24] <mart> twidget: no root folder is (almost) your entire disk
[06:24] <mart> twidget: see the 2nd icon on your 'start' bar?
[06:24] <twidget> This is so cool!
[06:25] <twidget>  /home/charles is my folder... I got it
[06:25] <gdh> And it's helluva lot easier to type than C:\documents and settings\charles\My documents ....
[06:26] <SysFail> heh
[06:26] <twidget> that... it is
[06:26] <twidget> I am so frikkin jazzed about this stuff!
[06:27] <twidget> oh no... anyone who knows me knows I move as little as possible
[06:28] <mart> twidget: might want to have a look at Help->Konquerer Introduction, if you've not found that already
[06:28] <mart> it'll show you where important stuff is
[06:29] <mart> "Home" "Wastebin"...
[06:29] <twidget> now then.... where would I find the equiv of Documents/App Data/Thunderbird/ ?
[06:29] <twidget> it's installed... yes
[06:29] <mart> twidget: it's probably something like .mozilla/...
[06:29] <mart> erm
[06:29] <mart> wait, do you need to do this?
[06:30] <mart> doesn't it have an import for your bookmarks?
[06:30] <gdh> mart: thunderbird, not firefox :)
[06:30] <twidget> mart, my mail
[06:30] <twidget> found it
[06:31] <twidget>  /etc/mozilla-firefox
[06:31] <mart> bah!
[06:31] <mart> er, twidget
[06:31] <gdh> now I'm really confused :)
[06:31] <mart> your normal user wont have write access there
[06:31] <markc> is anyone using Qt and ruby on kubuntu ?
[06:31] <gdh> twidget: your thunderbird data will be in /home/charles/.mozilla-thunderbird/
[06:31] <twidget>  oops
[06:32] <twidget> you're right, that's FF
[06:32] <gdh> most per-user application data gets stored in 'dot files' in the root of your homedir
[06:32] <gdh> konqueror won't show you them unless you tell it to with View -> Show Hidden Files
[06:33] <mart> or typing /home/charles/. in konq location will show things it can autocomplete with
[06:34] <othernoob> does anyone know a program like gspot for linux?
[06:37] <gdh> othernoob: mplayer ? :)
[06:37] <gdh> It plays just about everything, anyway - moreso with 'w32codecs' installed
[06:38] <othernoob> gdh. gspot isn't a player
[06:38] <gdh> no, but mplayer will tell you what the codecs are, etc.
[06:38] <gdh> it also has an -identify option
[06:39] <othernoob> oh i didn't know that.
[06:39] <othernoob> so i just type mplayer -identify file in konsole and that's it?
[06:39] <gdh> should be :)
[06:42] <unikum> hello, need help here........
[06:42] <unikum> how do i enable java plugin in firefox?
[06:43] <gdh> unikum: Heh :) apt-get install java-package, then follow /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian
[06:44] <unikum> i have d/l the .bin and installed it. no probs there ..
[06:44] <twidget> Well, that wasn't intentional
[06:44] <mart> twidget: ?
[06:45] <gdh> unikum: nope, that was wrong then :) using make-jpkg will put the right files in the right places for plugins, etc.
[06:45] <mart> oh
[06:46] <twidget> I quit accidentally
[06:46] <unikum> hmmm says here apt-get is uknown
[06:47] <gdh> unikum: you're definately using a kubuntu system? :)
[06:47] <unikum> yep
[06:47] <gdh> and whathappens if you just open a Konsole and type 'apt-get' ?
[06:48] <unikum> is it sudo or su before apt-get?
[06:48] <gdh> sudo
[06:48] <unikum> unikum@ubuntu:~$ sudu apt-get java-package
[06:48] <unikum> bash: sudu: command not found
[06:48] <gdh> sudo
[06:48] <gdh> not sudu
[06:48] <unikum> arrggggghhhhh
[06:48] <gdh> 'sudo apt-get install java-package'
[06:49] <gdh> the 'install' is kinda important :)
[06:49] <unikum> hehe
[06:49] <unikum> couldnt find package java-package
[06:49] <gdh> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:50] <gdh> do that :)
[06:50] <gdh> since java-package is in multiverse
[06:50] <unikum> ok
[06:50] <unikum> how come java is not in the system from start?
[06:50] <gdh> Heh, there's a book in itself..
[06:51] <gdh> policital and licensing issues
[06:51] <unikum> ok, Mepis has it though
[06:51] <mart> unikum: where it says "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" ...
[06:52] <SysFail> how do you tell what version of KDE you are on?
[06:52] <gdh> unikum: Mepis is playing with fire, then.
[06:52] <gdh> SysFail: Help -> About KDE .. ?
[06:52] <mart> you need to get a file browser, type /etc/apt + enter in the location
[06:52] <mart> then right click sources.list, and pick "Actions->Edit as root"
[06:53] <unikum> gedit command not found ... i will try with kwrite
[06:53] <gdh> :)
[06:53] <mart> unikum: see what I just wrote!
[06:58] <unikum> ok, after sudo apt-get install java-package?
[06:58] <mart> [17:43]  <gdh> unikum: Heh :) apt-get install java-package, then follow /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian
[06:58] <unikum> ok
[06:59] <gdh> If you already have the .bin installer you can just 'make-jpkg name-of-installer.bin'
[07:00] <gdh> then dpkg -i the resulting .deb
[07:02] <unikum> it says i must be a fakeroot
[07:02] <gdh> ah yes. so install fakeroot.
[07:03] <mart> gdh: why don't they just point to the blackdown repository?
[07:03] <gdh> mart: to give people choice, I guess :)
[07:03] <gdh> some may just prefer to use an IBM runtime, some prefer to use 'the source' of Sun's own
[07:04] <gdh> and hopefully one day the GPL'd Java VMs will be mature enough not to need any of this nonsense.
[07:04] <mart> hear hear
[07:04] <mart> gdh: part of the country are you in?
[07:04] <unikum> /home/unikum/jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin: line 438: /usr/share/mime-info/java-web-start.keys: tkomst nekas
[07:05] <unikum> i got hundreds of this:
[07:05] <gdh> Chorley, 20 miles north of Manchester :)
[07:05] <twidget> I've moved my Windows Thunderbird profile off a CD into the corresponding Linux directory, but now Thunderbird tells me I can't use it because it is is use. Help?
[07:06] <gdh> unikum: cut-paste exactly what you typed to generate those messages.
[07:07] <unikum> i cant get so high in the shell
[07:07] <unikum> but i got no errors when installing the deb
[07:07] <gdh> press the 'up' arrow :)
[07:07] <gdh> ah, cool.
[07:07] <unikum> i did
[07:08] <gdh> quit any firefox instances and reload it, then type about:plugins in the address bar
[07:08] <unikum> yes it works!
[07:08] <unikum> thanks a lot guys!
[07:08] <gdh> =)
[07:09] <unikum> one more thing ..... i have win xp on hda C: and D: . I would like to mount D: how?
[07:09] <unikum> is it hda2 or hda5?
[07:12] <gdh> no idea.. look in K -> System -> KInfoCentre
[07:12] <mart> it's probably hda5, iirc
[07:13] <mart> (based on hearing something about how windows allocates drive letters)
[07:29] <mart> anyone have latex installed?
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> :)
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> hoa
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> salve all
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> :)
[07:32] <Principe_azzurro> does anyone know how to switch from a graphical runlevel to a text based oen ?
[07:32] <Principe_azzurro> does anyone know how to switch from a graphical runlevel to a text based one ?
[07:33] <js_> Principe_azzurro: init 3?
[07:33] <Principe_azzurro> yeah
[07:33] <Principe_azzurro> that one
[07:33] <js_> Principe_azzurro: edit /etc/inittab and make 3 the defualt one, or remove the startup links for your display manager using update-rc.d
[07:33] <Principe_azzurro> i'll try thanks :)
[07:34] <js_> you can also :> into the default-display-manager file (i forgot where it is)
[07:34] <twidget> How do I install Macromedia Flash player for my browser?
[07:34] <mart> twidget: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:35] <twidget> haha, getting sick of me already, huh? :)
[07:35] <twidget> okay... kay...
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro> wich rc I have to update ?
[07:35] <mart> heh, it's the same page :)
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro> usage: update-rc.d [-n]  [-f]  <basename> remove
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro>        update-rc.d [-n]  <basename> defaults [NN | sNN kNN]
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro>        update-rc.d [-n]  <basename> start|stop NN runlvl [runlvl]  [...]  .
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro>                 -n: not really
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro>                 -f: force
[07:35] <js_> Principe_azzurro: update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro> mmm
[07:35] <js_> Principe_azzurro: and dont paste that in here
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro> sorry
[07:35] <Principe_azzurro> :)
[07:36] <mart> nobody has latex installed?
[07:36] <Principe_azzurro> and then i just only have to launch
[07:36] <buz> actually i have
[07:36] <Principe_azzurro> startx to start the gui ?
[07:36] <buz> but i barely ever use it, so
[07:36] <js_> yes
[07:36] <mart> kdvi wont open anything here
[07:37] <buz> usually works for me
[07:37] <Principe_azzurro> thanks :)
[07:37] <othernoob> mmh, when i try to reboot or turn my pc off, my screen just goes black and then stops. any idea what could be wrong?
[07:37] <Principe_azzurro> I'll try it :)
[07:37] <Principe_azzurro> now :)
[07:37] <buz> did you try xdvi?
[07:37] <mart> I was wondering whether it was a bug
[07:37] <buz> shouldnt be
[07:37] <mart> xdvi works fine
[07:37] <buz> i had it choke on one dvi tho
[07:37] <twidget> Couldn't find it
[07:37] <buz> xdvi could read that one
[07:37] <mart> now it's *every* dvi
[07:37] <buz> so maybe there's some sort of bug
[07:37] <twidget> Konsole, that is
[07:37] <buz> but in general, it works for me
[07:38] <mart> hmm, just wondered if it was a problem with the way I'm making the dvis
[07:39] <mart> buz: ah, I reckon it must be a bug.  it can't even open the latex documentation
[07:40] <buz> mhh
[07:40] <buz> it worked for my own latex stuff
[07:40] <buz> but there truly might be a bug, lyx sometimes randomly crashed, too
[07:40] <mart> yeah, but past tense isn't working for me right now :(
[07:40] <buz> i've gone back to use OOo because of it
[07:40] <buz> also makes it easier for other to collaborate
[07:41] <mart> yeah, I'm not sure my thesis is do-able in oo.o
[07:41] <buz> depends
[07:41] <buz> once you figure it out, its formula editor is quite powerful
[07:42] <buz> not quite like latex, but not bad at all
[07:42] <mart> buz: er, yeah. but the theorem prover generates latex, so ...
[07:42] <buz> it's easily good enough for my graduate macroeconomics stuff
[07:42] <buz> well in that case you probably should be using latex ;)
[07:43] <buz> can you give me the path to one of the dvis that wont open?
[07:43] <buz> one that ships with it i mean :)
[07:43] <^jude^> hi
[07:43] <^jude^> can someone help me install the m$ core fonts? kubuntu ppc...
[07:43] <mart>  /usr/share/doc/texmf/programs/dvips.dvi.gz
[07:44] <mart> buz: might need to gunzip it first
[07:44] <mart> actually, no, it seems to uncompress things now
[07:44] <mart> but still gives an error
[07:44] <buz> i didnt find that one
[07:45] <buz> but kdvi /usr/share/doc/texmf/tetex/TETEXDOC.dvi.gz works for me
[07:45] <mart> its in tetex-doc
[07:45] <mart> buz: what version are you on?
[07:46] <buz> mhhh kubuntu 5.04 with the kde 3.4.1 repositories
[07:47] <twidget> Is there anything akin to shoutcast in Linux?
[07:47] <buz> icecast i think
[07:47] <buz> mart: kdvi 1.3 using kde 3.4.1
[07:47] <mart> am on breezy packages...
[07:47] <mart> crap
[07:47] <buz> breezy is a recipe for pain
[07:48] <twidget> buz: yep, thanks
[07:48] <mart> yeah, Riddell talked me into it
[07:48] <buz> can't you just convert the dvi to pdf and look at that?
[07:48] <buz> kick hin
[07:48] <buz> him
[07:48] <mart> it's the forward/inverse feature that's so useful
[07:48] <buz> its an evil thing to do with someone who needs to get work done on that machine
[07:52] <principe_azzurro> hey
[07:52] <principe_azzurro> :)
[07:52] <principe_azzurro> js_,
[07:52] <principe_azzurro> thanks
[07:52] <principe_azzurro> it works :)
[07:53] <principe_azzurro> but now i have a new problem.. i have to lauch a patch before launching startx
[07:53] <principe_azzurro> but this patch has to be launched as root
[07:53] <principe_azzurro> maybe in some startup script
[07:54] <principe_azzurro> in slackware i used to put it in /etc/rc.lolc
[07:54] <principe_azzurro> in slackware i used to put it in /etc/rc.local
[07:54] <principe_azzurro> ??
[07:54] <kinfo> what?
[07:54] <principe_azzurro> anybody here ?
[07:55] <principe_azzurro> look above :)
[07:56] <mart> principe_azzurro: there are READMEs in /etc/{rcS.d,init.d}
[07:56] <principe_azzurro> mmmm
[07:57] <mart> so you could just create another startup script
[07:57] <mart> or modify the xorg script, as it's a conf. file anyway
[07:57] <principe_azzurro> markc,
[07:57] <principe_azzurro> mart,
[07:57] <principe_azzurro> i'm new with debian bases
[07:57] <principe_azzurro> i'm new with debian based
[07:58] <principe_azzurro> I'm coming from slackware..
[07:58] <principe_azzurro> and here it's all different.. there are variour rc. scritp.. which one is right ?
[07:58] <gdh> all the init scripts are in /etc/init.d/
[07:59] <gdh> the default runlevel is 2.. so /etc/rc2.d will be executed at startup
[07:59] <gdh> in numerical order
[07:59] <mart> but the rcS.d scripts are run first I think
[07:59] <gdh> (rcS.d will be done first)
[07:59] <gdh> heh
[08:00] <principe_azzurro> i put 3 as primary runlevel
[08:02] <principe_azzurro> so
[08:02] <principe_azzurro> scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ will be executed
[08:04] <hon> I am trying to get gecko as an alternative mode for konqueror. what package I should look for?
[08:05] <mart> I don't think it exists...?
[08:07] <gdh> I remember 'kecko' being talked about an some conference
[08:07] <gdh> but don't thiunk anything ever became of it
[08:07] <mart> yeah, some mention on dot.kde.org, but I never heard anything
[08:07] <hon> yeah, I have heard about Kecko in the dot
[08:08] <hon> and I read somewhere that novell/suse have some version of it
[08:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can anyone help me with my fstab?
[08:12] <twidget> mart: what's that link again?
[08:13] <mart> twidget: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can anyone help me with my fstab?
[08:14] <mart> twidget: :)
[08:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?
[08:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need to make a storage drive i had made with xp work in linux
[08:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i need to put it in fstab but not shure how the os sees it
[08:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or what the command should be to make kubuntu read an ntfs partition
[08:21] <twidget> root@Smokey:~# sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[08:21] <twidget> root@Smokey:~# sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <twidget> sudo: gedit: command not found
[08:21] <twidget> I'm thinking that can't be a good thing
[08:21] <gdh> replace gedit with kedit
[08:21] <gdh> or kate.. or nano :)
[08:21] <twidget> okay
[08:23] <gdh> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what kind of 'storage drive' ?
[08:23] <gdh> USB thing or a HD partition?
[08:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hd partition
[08:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i got most of it
[08:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it says only root can mount the drive
[08:24] <gdh> indeed.. you need to add the 'user' option in fstab, most likely
[08:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the error that pops up when i try to mount it is
[08:24] <gdh> or some 'uid=1000'
[08:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how?
[08:24] <gdh> well, tell me how you're trying to mount the partition
[08:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[08:25] <gdh> and I'll try to tell you where you're going wrong
[08:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1        /INSTALLS       ntfs    rw,unmask222    0       0
[08:26] <gdh> Ah OK two problems.
[08:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[08:26] <gdh> 1) you can't write to ntfs partitions reliably.
[08:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know
[08:27] <gdh> so change the 'rw' to 'ro'..
[08:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i am gonna take everything off of it and reformat it for linux then plop everything back on
[08:27] <gdh> your 'unmask222'.. you probably mean umask=222 ?
[08:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yup
[08:28] <gdh> also might want 'uid=1000' in there, too
[08:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> getting the same error though
[08:28] <gdh> just stick on the same comma
[08:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that only root can mout the drive
[08:28] <nmorse> did you try the user option?
[08:28] <gdh> yes, now also add in 'user' to the options string
[08:28] <gdh> so you 'll end up with ro,umask=222,uid=1000,user
[08:29] <nmorse> Note: user mounted drives are considered non-executable
[08:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[08:29] <nmorse> No running programs from a user-mounted partition (tried that with my backup partition where I keep my games)
[08:29] <gdh> not likely to be an issue if it's an ntfs partition
[08:29] <gdh> just loads of mp3 and porn :)
[08:31] <twidget> Kate doesn't seem to want to work anymore
[08:31] <nmorse> won't from the command line
[08:31] <gdh> twidget: Yes I heard those rumours too :)
[08:31] <twidget> Kate is no longer a working girl? :)
[08:32] <gdh> apt-get install pimp
[08:32] <gdh> that should fix it
[08:33] <mart> cue touch, finger, sleep gags...
[08:33] <gdh> yeh :)
[08:34] <nmorse> I always figured popcon would return those as the most used utilities
[08:34] <nmorse> Anyone know how much popcon affected the packages put into Ubuntu?
[08:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> still wont mount it >.<
[08:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /INSTALLS
[08:37] <nmorse> Hmm
[08:37] <kkathman> that happens to me all the time...but its because my IPs change occasionally on my network
[08:38] <kkathman> i.e. after a power outage
[08:38] <nmorse> I hate cheap routers and their DHCP implementations
[08:38] <nmorse> And I hate the hoops I have to jump through to keep static IP's behind the router
[08:38] <kkathman> yah..its a pain
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so any idea guys how to get it to mount?
[08:39] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: try just mount /dev/hdb1
[08:39] <kkathman> first you have to go find the IPs...then you have to change your fstab
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1        /INSTALLS       ntfs    ro,unmask=222,uid=100,usr    0       0
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is what i put in there
[08:39] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, that's fine
[08:39] <mart> now on the command line
[08:39] <kkathman> that looks fine
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so why can't i mount it?
[08:39] <mart> mount /dev/hdb1
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[08:40] <kkathman> or  mount -a && mount
[08:40] <mart> kkathman: wtf?
[08:40] <mart> mount -a mounts everything, and mount after it won't do anything
[08:40] <kkathman> works for me
[08:41] <mart> yeah! sledgehammer, nutshell!
[08:41] <kkathman> doesnt that go back and load from the defs in the fstab?
[08:41] <kkathman> heh dont be a jerk
[08:41] <mart> kkathman: mount -a mounts everything
[08:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's sating that mount point /INSTALLS does not exist
[08:41] <kkathman> yep
[08:41] <kkathman> hmm
[08:41] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: as root, do mkdir /INSTALLS
[08:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i created that folder when i used windows
[08:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um ok
[08:42] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need in in your linux file space
[08:42] <kkathman> church - did this ever work?
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>        missing codepage or other error
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>        dmesg | tail  or so
[08:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whoops sory
[08:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> diden't mean to spam
[08:43] <mart> is that what it says?
[08:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea for the error
[08:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i really need the data off this drive
[08:43] <mart> try what it suggests?
[08:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know how >.<
[08:44] <mart> type dmesg | tail :)
[08:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> TFS-fs error (device hdb1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option unmask.
[08:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> NTFS-fs error (device hdb1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option usr
[08:44] <mart> ah, in your fstab file
[08:44] <mart> change usr for user
[08:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[08:44] <mart> on the ntfs line, obviously
[08:45] <mart> an change unmask for umask I think
[08:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bing thanx man
[08:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[08:46] <mart> np :)
[08:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bingo even
[08:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[08:46] <mart> works?
[08:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kinda now i got a new error
[08:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> could not enter folder /INSTALLS
[08:47] <mart> ah, right
[08:47] <mart> you tried that as your normal user?
[08:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um don't think so
[08:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mounted it through konq
[08:47] <nmorse> Right, as user
[08:47] <mart> yeah, normal user
[08:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[08:48] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: uid=100 -> uid=1000
[08:48] <twidget> mart: so all my Windows games?
[08:48] <twidget> Useless?
[08:48] <mart> wine?
[08:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> access denied to installs it says now >.<
[08:48] <nmorse> No, Cedega and dx9wine play a lot of Win games
[08:49] <nmorse> However, they won't play Rome: Total War and for that I am sad
[08:49] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: change 100 to 1000, then umount /dev/hdb1, then mount /dev/hdb1
[08:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[08:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do this as sudo?
[08:49] <twidget> I don't understand "wine?"
[08:49] <nmorse> Wine Is Not an Emulator
[08:49] <mart> twidget: winehq.com
[08:49] <twidget> HA!
[08:49] <nmorse> It's a Windows translation layer
[08:50] <twidget> That's funny
[08:50] <nmorse> It allows Windows applications to run on Linux on x86
[08:50] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: er, how have you been editting /etc/fstab?
[08:50] <nmorse> Recursive Acronyms are a staple of OSS
[08:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> unmount command not found
[08:50] <mart> umount
[08:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> of course i have been typing in unmount lol
[08:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[08:51] <nmorse> I think unmount should be an alias to umount
[08:51] <mart> only one 'n'
[08:51] <nmorse> Would make life easier on newcomers
[08:51] <nmorse> Why stuff like that is overlooked when making newbie-friendly distros is beyond me
[08:52] <nmorse> I'm still amazed eject on Ubuntu umounts first
[08:52] <mart> this is before you have to explain the difference between mount and pmount
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> OMG >.<
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where is everything?
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's not there
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 35 gigs of data not there
[08:53] <nmorse> Are you sure it's properly mounted?
[08:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as far as i know
[08:54] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what does 'mount' on it's own say
[08:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what else could i do
[08:54] <mart> http://rafb.net/paste/
[08:55] <twidget> Kate keeps crashing
[08:55] <mart> sorry, don't know if you're running irc on the same machine...
[08:55] <mart> didn't we just have that conversation :)
[08:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWp2Xq22.html
[08:55] <nmorse> twidget: what are you doing when it crashes?
[08:55] <twidget> clicking on icons
[08:55] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: as root, ls /INSTALLS?
[08:55] <twidget> choosing "Open with Kate"
[08:55] <nmorse> Okay
[08:55] <twidget> just about anything
[08:56] <nmorse> You're on Hoary, right?
[08:56] <twidget> yes
[08:56] <nmorse> Did you do the Kubuntu updates?
[08:56] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: nothing there?
[08:56] <twidget> And I am, but that's another story...
[08:56] <twidget> Um... I think so
[08:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i pasted it
[08:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just like it said
[08:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWp2Xq22.html
[08:57] <nmorse> twidget: check your /etc/apt/sources.list for kubuntu.org
[08:57] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, I mean, if you do 'ls /INSTALLS' as root
[08:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> everythings there i just can't see it
[08:58] <twidget> I just did sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can see all my files
[08:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in the output
[08:58] <mart> ok, so it's there, but...
[08:59] <mart> ?
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i cant see any files in konq
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or access them
[08:59] <mart> ok, I think there was some weird bug with specifying the user and ntfs
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn >.<
[09:00] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: but no fear!
[09:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[09:00] <nmorse> Why do you need to mount it as user anyway?
[09:00] <mart> nmorse: no, I didn't mean that
[09:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know thats what i was told to do
[09:00] <mart> sorry
[09:00] <mart> I mean
[09:00] <mart> with specifying the uid
[09:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was told to
[09:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i did
[09:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that wrong?
[09:01] <gdh> that was me :)
[09:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[09:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ yea him lol
[09:01] <gdh> maybe I was thinking about smbfs or something
[09:01] <mart> user=shane is wrong
[09:01] <gdh> indeed it is.
[09:01] <mart> it should be just user if your going to use it
[09:01] <mart> you're even
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so get rid of the other stuff exept user in that part?
[09:02] <mart>  /dev/hdb1        /INSTALLS       ntfs    ro,umask=222,uid=1000,user    0       0
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok that looks like what i have now
[09:02] <gdh> [19:28]  <gdh> so you 'll end up with ro,umask=222,uid=1000,user
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1        /INSTALLS       ntfs    ro,umask=222,uid=1000,user    0       0
[09:02] <mart> ah, that was another bug, inverted umasks or something crazy
[09:03] <gdh> history repeating, eh? :)
[09:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that looks like what i have
[09:03] <mart> yeah
[09:04] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: pick a file in /INSTALLS
[09:04] <mart> then do
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vrUp8I76.html
[09:04] <mart> ls -l /INSTALLS/yourfile
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i pasted my entire fstab for ya
[09:04] <mart> looks fine
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have know idea what to do
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> because it's not showing the files
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in konq
[09:05] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: as root, do ls -l /INSTALLS
[09:05] <twidget> okay, I'm looking at sources.list. What am I looking for?
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok what am i looking for now
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> everything is there
[09:05] <nmorse> You know, shouldn't security updates include new updates for clamav?
[09:05] <mart> then do ls -l /INSTALLS/afile
[09:06] <mart> where afile is something in that directory
[09:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> why?
[09:06] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: because we need to see what permissions it has
[09:06] <nmorse> It's just not wise to leave a program alarming sysadmins by saying "This needs to be updated immediately" when it's freshly installed
[09:07] <mart> so is there something like ntldr.exe or something there?
[09:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vXGaRZ85.html
[09:08] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: also ls -ld /INSTALLS
[09:08] <mart> ?
[09:08] <mart> (funny how only windows file systems have a dir called 'cracks')
[09:09] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: so with a 'd' this time
[09:09] <nmorse> You know, I had a really clever virus scam email the other day
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:~$ ls -ld /INSTALLS
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dr--r----x  1 shane root 16384 2005-07-03 12:11 /INSTALLS
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:~$
[09:10] <nmorse> It told me my account had been suspended due to being taken over to send spam
[09:10] <mart> well that explains something...
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[09:10] <mart> ok
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?
[09:10] <nmorse> Then it said look at account-details.htm to find out why
[09:10] <nmorse> Except it was account-details.htm                                    .exe
[09:10] <mart> it needs to say dr-xr.......
[09:10] <monchy> lol
[09:10] <mart> so
[09:10] <nmorse> It really had me fooled
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok  so how to fix that?
[09:10] <mart> ever try wine'ing those things?
[09:11] <nmorse> clamav just confirmed it was a virus for me
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow nice
[09:11] <nmorse> I did in fact try running it under wine
[09:11] <nmorse> Didn't work
[09:11] <mart> gutted
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> could you get it in linux?
[09:11] <nmorse> Nope, couldn't convince it to run
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn lol
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gotta love linux ^_^
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so what do i do to make this drive work?
[09:12] <nmorse> Binary is a slow way to think
[09:12] <twidget> My sources files seems b0rked
[09:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause all i want to do is move everythig to my linux drive format the secondary
[09:12] <twidget> file
[09:12] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: try changing your fstab again...
[09:12] <mart> this time
[09:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and put everything bak on it
[09:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:12] <mart> umask=622
[09:12] <nmorse> twidget: paste in #flood
[09:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> still get that access denied error in konq
[09:13] <nmorse> what's that clamav desktop search module?
[09:13] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you also need to umount /dev/hdb1
[09:13] <mart> mount /dev/hdb1
[09:14] <mart> (maybe that's what the mount -o remount option is for...)
[09:15] <mart> after changing the file
[09:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothing
[09:15] <twidget> It seems... like I caught the last part of it or something
[09:15] <mart> ls -ld /INSTALLS ?
[09:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what am i doing wrong here
[09:16] <nmorse> Okay, well, your sources.list looks just fine
[09:16] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: "ls -ld /INSTALLS" again, please?
[09:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[09:16] <twidget> nmorse: me?
[09:16] <Ghetek> i installed wine from cvs, how do i get rid of it now?
[09:17] <mart> Ghetek: you install to /usr/local?
[09:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://rafb.net/paste/results/1z9giR51.html
[09:17] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: "d" ls -ld INSTALLS
[09:17] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: "d" ls -ld /INSTALLS
[09:17] <mart> even
[09:18] <Ghetek> mart: i installed this way, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996&highlight=wine+winetools
[09:18] <nmorse> twidget: yes you
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mart huh?
[09:18] <nmorse> However it doesn't include the KDE updates, twidget
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i typed that in and it says command not found
[09:19] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ls -ld /INSTALLS
[09:19] <nmorse> So, if you don't mind having "unofficial" packages installed, you'll want to check out the links in the topic
[09:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i did that
[09:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://rafb.net/paste/results/1z9giR51.html
[09:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats the output
[09:19] <mart> [20:09]  <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:~$ ls -ld /INSTALLS
[09:19] <mart> [20:09]  <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dr--r----x  1 shane root 16384 2005-07-03 12:11 /INSTALLS
[09:20] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: do that again :)
[09:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:~$ ls -ld /INSTALLS
[09:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dr-------x  1 shane root 16384 2005-07-03 12:11 /INSTALLS
[09:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:~$
[09:21] <mart> oh shit, that's worse than before...
[09:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[09:21] <nmorse> What did you have him do, exactly?
[09:21] <mart> nmorse: guessing umasks
[09:21] <nikkia> mart, what's to guess?
[09:21] <mart> there used to be a thing with ntfs, I don't know whether it's still the case
[09:21] <nikkia> umask's are easy
[09:21] <mart> but the umasks had to be inverted
[09:22] <mart> right now, we have 622
[09:22] <mart> the one before is 222
[09:22] <nikkia> mart, they have to be inverted because its a MASK
[09:22] <nikkia> mart, what do you want?
[09:22] <mart> nikkia: no
[09:22] <mart> inverted to what they're supposed to be
[09:22] <mart> it really did your head
[09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?? O_O
[09:22] <kinfo> No match for "O_O"
[09:22] <mart> and it was only ntfs too
[09:22] <nikkia> i call BS, my NTFS partitions are all mounted with the umask i wanted
[09:22] <mart> nikkia: might of just been a particular version,
[09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> pills out linux dictionary
[09:22] <mart> this was pre kubuntu
[09:23] <nikkia> i'm more tempted to suspect someone doesn't understand octal, personally :P
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> looks to see what the hell there talking about >.<
[09:23] <mart> nikkia: FO, I can do binary
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so um what do i do?
[09:24] <mart> ah, dmask :)
[09:24] <nmorse> Octal always fun for when you need a kick in the teeth
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mart huh?
[09:24] <twidget> Okay, I can't edit it because it's owned by root, and Kate won't open it, Kedit can't be found, and nano's a pain in the ass
[09:25] <nmorse> try joe
[09:25] <nmorse> joe's a great editor
[09:25] <nmorse> Joe's Own Editor in fact
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so um any ideas guys?
[09:25] <twidget> is it installed?
[09:25] <nmorse> Told you recursive acronyms were a staple of OSS
[09:25] <nmorse> probably not
[09:25] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: in fstab, dmask=555
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[09:25] <twidget> I didn't think so
[09:25] <mart> in addition to umask
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wait huh?
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> add another "," and then that?
[09:26] <mart> yeah
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brain herts lol
[09:26] <buz> did anyone ever manage to get firefox to display mathml?
[09:27] <mart>  /dev/hdb1        /INSTALLS       ntfs    ro,umask=222,dmask=555,uid=1000,user    0       0
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bingo it worked
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now for the fun part
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[09:28] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you can read the files too?
[09:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yup
[09:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm copying everything to my main hd now
[09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then i'm gonna format that storage drive to ext3
[09:29] <mart> hey, not bad for someone who can't do octal :P
[09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and copy everything back
[09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ thanx
[09:29] <mart> np
[09:29] <twidget> okay...
[09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's gonna be a few hours though to copy shit lol
[09:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> should be done about 6pm
[09:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[09:30] <twidget> how do I install joe or fix Kate?
[09:31] <nmorse> you'll have to enable universe to get joe
[09:31] <nmorse> Don't bother since editing that file is what we want to do anyway
[09:31] <mart> don't the updates fix kate, or did that break with the updates?
[09:31] <nmorse> Or you could try adding repos through Synaptic
[09:32] <twidget> I find no package including the expression 'repos' using Knaptic
[09:32] <twidget> or whatever it's called
[09:33] <twidget> Kynaptic
[09:33] <nmorse> I meant add new software repositories so you could install software not included in main
[09:33] <nmorse> Hmm, check the FAQ in the topic for more on that
[09:33] <twidget> nmorse: that's what started all this
[09:34] <nmorse> Okay, well that's interesting
[09:34] <twidget> I cannot edit that file to add the new repositories
[09:34] <nmorse> You may just have to use nano for the time being
[09:34] <twidget> in Konsole... as root... may I change the preferences?
[09:35] <twidget> of the file, to make it editable?
[09:35] <nmorse> The file should be editable by root already
[09:36] <twidget> it is
[09:36] <twidget> mart!
[09:36] <twidget> help?
[09:37] <Poromies> twidget: "sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you know i just thought of something
[09:37] <nikkia> or 'sudo -e /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can win xp read an ext3 partition?
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> acrost a network?
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or do i have to make it a fat or fat32 partition instead?
[09:39] <Poromies> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not directly, you need samba to share files and folders via network
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so what should i do with the partition then ext3/fat16 or fat32?
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have samba anyways lol
[09:40] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: go for ext3, it's more robust that the fat partitions
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok but will windows be able to access it?
[09:40] <Poromies> yes, with samba
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok cool
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that works ^_^
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as long as the other computers can access it i don't care ^_^
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> at least linux does what it's supposed to
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not like my broken xp boxes >.<
[09:42] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you know you can use that install CD more than once? :)
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea but wahts the point you still end up with crap in the long run
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> broken regestry links missing icons corrupted files
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all happens after a while with xp
[09:43] <mart> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I meant the kubuntu install :)
[09:43] <nmorse> It's possible to keep Windows running and virus-free: it just takes too much effort to be worth it
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh yea
[09:43] <nmorse> I don't mind tinkering with linux for a few days to get a few months of problem-free running
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but one game right now won't run on linux
[09:43] <nmorse> What game?
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> aeRO RagnaroKk
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> minus the "k"
[09:44] <monchy> ah private server
[09:44] <mart> epic
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have to get point2play i think
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yep
[09:44] <monchy> i played on there once
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in linux?
[09:45] <monchy> nah, winblows
[09:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[09:45] <monchy> i don't think the priv servers will work
[09:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was told point2play could do it
[09:45] <monchy> bc they all have there own patches
[09:46] <twidget> this is pathetic
[09:46] <monchy> if i could get lineage 2 working that'd be sweet
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what sucks but it's linux so i think it can be done
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just am too much of a nub to know how to do it
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i would love to run this game in linux in linux
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ummm repeat lol
[09:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was told that it could be done with point2play
[09:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i though lineage 2 was working?
[09:48] <monchy> i think the game itself works but haven't tried the priv server patch
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh nice
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i want to get point2play to run it
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> people on the forums say it will work
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even witha a private patch
[09:54] <monchy> that'd be nice, its the only thing i miss from windoze
[09:58] <liz4rd> ChurcH_of_FoamY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:58] <liz4rd> lol
[09:59] <gdh> that's quite an exclamation
[09:59] <liz4rd> i'd say so
[10:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> liz4rd whats up man ^_^
[10:01] <liz4rd> lol nm
[10:04] <twidget> somebody look at #flood and tell me what's wrong with this?
[10:04] <Poromies> #flood
[10:04] <Poromies> uhupsis
[10:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it says #overflow when you get there?
[10:06] <twidget> E: Type 'deb' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:14] <twidget> I give up
[10:25] <GPHemsley> How do I create a link to another directory?
[10:32] <spiral> GPHemsley: ln -s
[10:33] <GPHemsley> spiral: Ah, OK... I was trying "link", but that wasn't giving me what I wanted
[10:33] <spiral> GPHemsley: all right
[10:35] <GPHemsley> spiral: Yay! Thanks
[10:35] <spiral> GPHemsley: you're welcome
[10:55] <penguinboy> good afternoon fellow geeks and nerds!!!
[11:09] <ChurcH> i'm using qtparted to change the partition from ntfs to ext3
[11:10] <ChurcH> is there any thing i need to change in fstab
[11:10] <ChurcH> and do i have to make the partition active?
[11:14] <no_gatez_fan> trying to mnt a fat32 drive myself, is there fstab or you need to load an application to make an fstab?
[11:17] <ChurcH> theres an fsatb
[11:17] <ChurcH> fstab even
[11:17] <no_gatez_fan> where is fstab?
[11:18] <no_gatez_fan> it isnt in etc is it?
[11:18] <ChurcH> yes i think so
[11:18] <no_gatez_fan> hmm
[11:18] <no_gatez_fan> leeme look again
[11:18] <ChurcH> kk
[11:19] <no_gatez_fan> there it is thanks..lol
[11:19] <ChurcH> lol
[11:19] <no_gatez_fan> i didnt see it a min ago
[11:19] <ChurcH> do i need to make my partition actve to use it?
[11:19] <no_gatez_fan> i dont know..i am new to this distro
[11:19] <ChurcH> oh
[11:20] <ChurcH> well i think you'll like it
[11:20] <no_gatez_fan> i do so far
[11:20] <ChurcH> ^_^
[11:20] <ChurcH> this place was hopping like 30 mins ago
[11:21] <no_gatez_fan> dinnertime i recon
[11:21] <ChurcH> now it's deader than a doornail
[11:21] <ChurcH> must be
[11:21] <no_gatez_fan> looks like i can edit it with kate
[11:22] <ChurcH> yea
[11:22] <ChurcH> i installed kubuntu on top of ubuntu
[11:22] <no_gatez_fan> put a line in there for a fat32 storage drive i left in pc
[11:22] <ChurcH> so i get my gedit ^_^
[11:22] <ChurcH> nice
[11:23] <no_gatez_fan> i am going to look at my mandrake machines fstab...i have a 2nd drive in there
[11:23] <ChurcH> cool
[11:24] <ChurcH> yea usually i keep a backup of my fstab
[11:26] <no_gatez_fan> good idea
[11:26] <no_gatez_fan> this looks like yoper
[11:26] <no_gatez_fan> this distro
[11:27] <ChurcH> yoper?
[11:27] <no_gatez_fan> yoper is a distro from nz
[11:29] <closure> i've heard of it
[11:29] <closure> never used it
[11:29] <closure> i want to try pcbsd
[11:29] <closure> i might do that tonight
[11:29] <closure> but i have ubuntu running just the way i want lol
[11:29] <closure> so why mess up a good  thing you know?
[11:29] <no_gatez_fan> right
[11:29] <closure> wish i had an extra box
[11:29] <closure> i've got 5
[11:29] <no_gatez_fan> this running good as heck
[11:29] <closure> but 3 are missing pieces
[11:30] <closure> i. e. power supply, and proc's
[11:30] <closure> ubuntu is rock solid
[11:30] <ChurcH> hey what a good player for mp3's?
[11:30] <ChurcH> beep?
[11:30] <closure> the only problem i have had is when they released kde update that was broken and i had to fix it
[11:30] <closure> ChurcH, i use xmms
[11:30] <no_gatez_fan> yoper instals as i686 where most load i386
[11:30] <ChurcH> i hate y=taht
[11:31] <ChurcH> that even dosen't work right for me
[11:31] <closure> well you can use kaffeine(sp?)
[11:31] <closure> xmms?
[11:31] <closure> it's the easiest for me
[11:31] <ChurcH> yea always have problems with it
[11:31] <closure> though i'm an avid winamp fan in windows
[11:31] <ChurcH> beep is easyer and looks like winamp
[11:31] <ChurcH> almost exactly like winamp
[11:32] <closure> i don't know if i've ever used it
[11:32] <closure> i tend to use the same apps i've used for the past 10 years
[11:33] <ChurcH> nice i'm the same way
[11:33] <ChurcH> hell i still have win 3.1 installed on a 486 dx66
[11:33] <closure> lol
[11:33] <closure> i'm not that hard core lol
[11:33] <ChurcH> then i have win 3.11 for workgroups on another server
[11:34] <ChurcH> computer i mean
[11:34] <closure> some of my boxes that i refer to as "frankensteins"
[11:34] <closure> i booted them and they had 3.1 on it
[11:34] <ChurcH> lol
[11:34] <closure> on them
[11:34] <ChurcH> i even have a lunchbox computer
[11:34] <monchy> lol
[11:34] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[11:34] <ChurcH> with a 386 cpu and a woppin 16mb of ram lol
[11:34] <closure> what's a lunchbox computer?
[11:34] <ChurcH> it's the very first kinda laptop
[11:35] <ChurcH> the actually had crt screens built into them
[11:35] <ChurcH> and hard drives you could not partition
[11:35] <nikkia> church, YOU can break your knees trying to use one like that... the rest of us prefer to call them 'portable' (occasionally 'man portable' in the ironic army sense)
[11:35] <ChurcH> lol
[11:36] <ChurcH> yea i picked it up for like 5 bucks lol
[11:36] <closure> really?
[11:36] <ChurcH> i thought it was cute
[11:36] <closure> that's sweet
[11:36] <ChurcH> yea
[11:36] <ChurcH> then i got an old one you had to build it yourself
[11:36] <closure> i was at this thrift shop and almost picked up some classic peice that was like 15 bucks
[11:36] <closure> but i couldn't justify lifting it
[11:36] <ChurcH> it actually has binary switches on the front to input data
[11:37] <ChurcH> like phisical switches lol
[11:37] <closure> wow
[11:37] <closure> that's intense
[11:37] <ChurcH> there are only 8 of them
[11:37] <nikkia> feh, real computer scientists used patchbays :P
[11:37] <closure> i don't know if i'd know how to use them
[11:37] <ChurcH> when you want to program something you had to flip the switches in sequens
[11:37] <ChurcH> it has a wopping 8 bytes of mem
[11:37] <ChurcH> pc 1 ithink lol
[11:38] <no_gatez_fan> got to go...see you tomorrow.....
[11:38] <ChurcH> kk
[11:38] <no_gatez_fan> *poof*
[11:38] <ChurcH> have a nice day/night
[11:38] <ChurcH> respectivly
[11:38] <no_gatez_fan> going to work  :(
[11:38] <ChurcH> ouch
[11:39] <ChurcH> yea i collect old computers
[11:39] <ChurcH> among my prized possesions is a tandy 128 and a commodore 64
[11:39] <ChurcH> complete with spyhunter and qbert
[11:40] <ChurcH> and for gamining systems you cant beat colico vision atri and intelevision
[11:40] <ChurcH> complete with games lol
[11:40] <closure> 8 bytes1?!
[11:40] <ChurcH> yea
[11:40] <ChurcH> is that something eh?
[11:41] <closure> what can you do with it?
[11:41] <closure> add and subtract?
[11:41] <ChurcH> nothing
[11:41] <closure> lol
[11:41] <ChurcH> thats about it
[11:41] <closure> "this is a really big calculator"
[11:41] <ChurcH> you have 2 seconds to flip the switches too
[11:41] <ChurcH> or it resets to 0 byte
[11:41] <ChurcH> then you have to start all over again
[11:41] <ChurcH> >.<
[11:42] <ChurcH> i want to make it run tiny linux
[11:42] <ChurcH> but don't think thats gonna hapen
[11:42] <closure> hrm
[11:42] <closure> yeah
[11:42] <closure> tiny linux isn't THAT tiny
[11:42] <ChurcH> yea i figured
[11:42] <ChurcH> lol
[11:42] <ChurcH> i'm still trying lol
[11:42] <closure> i remember my first computer had like a 250 meg hdd
[11:42] <ChurcH> but i don't even know if it has a cpu
[11:42] <closure> dos ran on it
[11:43] <ChurcH> wow that was hyge
[11:43] <closure> i loved dos
[11:43] <ChurcH> i know i miss it so much
[11:43] <closure> yeah i'm only 21 so i don't got that far back
[11:43] <closure> right
[11:43] <ChurcH> i'm 26
[11:43] <closure> you remember snake
[11:43] <closure> it came with the app edit
[11:43] <closure> incredible snake game
[11:43] <ChurcH> lol yea
[11:43] <ChurcH> it was awsome
[11:43] <nikkia> closure, it came with qbasic
[11:43] <closure> i can't stand these graphical snakes
[11:43] <closure> nikkia, that's right
[11:44] <ChurcH> one of my favorites was tetripz
[11:44] <ChurcH> it was this drug induced dos version of tetris
[11:44] <ChurcH> complete with awsome music
[11:44] <ChurcH> and it was sweet
[11:44] <ChurcH> it really rocked
[11:45] <ChurcH> then there was doom for dos
[11:45] <ChurcH> and heretic
[11:45] <ChurcH> all games that rocked
[11:45] <ChurcH> i mean who could forget the classic hack
[11:45] <ChurcH> iddqd
[11:45] <ChurcH> ^_^
[11:45] <ChurcH> i still have them
[11:45] <ChurcH> on 5 and a quarter
[11:45] <ChurcH> disks
[11:46] <closure> dude
[11:46] <monchy> i remember heretic
[11:46] <monchy> and commander keen i think it was
[11:46] <closure> let me find this doom port for linux
[11:46] <closure> we can play online >8-)
[11:46] <closure> it's super rad
[11:46] <closure> it's only like 2 megs too
[11:47] <ChurcH> yea it rocks
[11:47] <ChurcH> i still have all my old dos games
[11:47] <closure> i've got the maps for doom 1 and 2 on my other pc as well
[11:47] <closure> i've still got sim copter
[11:47] <ChurcH> i am looking for a computer thats windows 98 compatable
[11:47] <closure> that game rocks
[11:47] <ChurcH> roflamo
[11:47] <ChurcH> nice
[11:47] <ChurcH> ^_^
[11:47] <closure> you can fly all these kick ass helicopters
[11:47] <closure> and put out fires
[11:47] <closure> and land the choppers on cars and shit
[11:47] <ChurcH> i remember that
[11:48] <ChurcH> those games where awsome
[11:48] <closure> you can even import your maps from sim city
[11:48] <ChurcH> nowadays there to realistic
[11:48] <closure> 2k that is
[11:48] <ChurcH> what? i diden't know that
[11:48] <ChurcH> O_O
[11:48] <nikkia> best helicopter games were Zeewolf II and LHX  :)
[11:48] <closure> i STILL haven't played a damn flight sim i like as much as the old A-10 Tank Bomber
[11:48] <ChurcH> yeap
[11:48] <closure> and i rocked  the hell out of that a-10
[11:48] <closure> i would do all kinds of wild stuff
[11:49] <ChurcH> i'm gonna build me a dos box some day and dump all my old apps on it
[11:49] <ChurcH> nice
[11:49] <closure> man can you imagine dos with a 5 gig hdd!
[11:49] <ChurcH> lol
[11:49] <nikkia> closure, oddly, yes
[11:49] <othernoob> how do i get vobsub subtitles displayed in vlc or kaffeine?
[11:49] <closure> you could have a library of like every single app in the world
[11:49] <ChurcH> that would hold what like a million apps
[11:49] <nikkia> church, i had an 8GB drive on my PC last time i used DOS :P
[11:49] <closure> nikkia, does it give you a warm feeling in your loins like myself?
[11:49] <ChurcH> nice
[11:49] <ChurcH> lol
[11:49] <nikkia> iirc, you have to partition into 2GB :P
[11:50] <ChurcH> i here that theres a dos program for linux called dosbox
[11:50] <ChurcH> anyone tryed it?
[11:50] <nikkia> closure, i've never met you, let alone experienced any warm feelings from you :P
[11:50] <ChurcH> supposed to emulate 6.22
[11:50] <closure> nikkia, i meant the thought of a 5 gig dos box not me
[11:50] <ChurcH> the best version of dos ever made
[11:50] <ChurcH> roflmao
[11:50] <nikkia> closure, not really, i never liked DOS that much
[11:51] <nikkia> closure, i only ever used to use it because its what i had to use for work (surprisingly)
[11:51] <closure> my god there's something wrong with you
[11:51] <ChurcH> O_O
[11:51] <ChurcH> agrees
[11:51] <nikkia> closure, i was probably using linux when you were running dos anyway
[11:51] <ChurcH> yea but dos is better than linux in some ways
[11:52] <nikkia> church, that's the most insane thing i've ever heard anyone say, really
[11:52] <ChurcH> well the console version at least
[11:52] <ChurcH> i know
[11:52] <ChurcH> i was dropped on my head as a kid
[11:52] <nikkia> church, an inoperable terminal brain tumour is better than dos, ffs
[11:52] <ChurcH> screwd some things up
[11:53] <ChurcH> naw i'd perfer dos anyday to most installs
[11:53] <ChurcH> all the cool shit runs on dos and ya can't use it anymore
[11:53] <ChurcH> unless you wanna pay 60 dollars for the disks from microcrap
[11:53] <nikkia> church, even in 1993, dosemu ran dos stuff better than dos
[11:54] <ChurcH> never herd of it what is it?
[11:54] <nikkia> church, a vm thing for linux
[11:54] <ChurcH> oh wow
[11:54] <ChurcH> and it runs dos better than dosbox?
[11:54] <nikkia> church, dunno, never tried dosbox
[11:54] <ChurcH> which by the way i can't figure out
[11:54] <nikkia> dosemu was around in the early days tho
[11:54] <wxy> 174302
[11:55] <ChurcH> oh
[11:55] <wxy> IDENTIFY 174302
[11:55] <nikkia> *sigh* my xbox has attained coherent independant thought
[11:56] <nikkia> i'm a lap behind in forza, so it decides to start playing 'the driver' (a song about a driver that refuses to admit he's lost a race by continuing the race long (hours) after everyone else has gone home)
[11:56] <ChurcH> huh?
[11:57] <ChurcH> ai on an xbox
[11:57] <ChurcH> i new gates was trying to rule the world >.<
[11:58] <othernoob> how do i get vobsub subtitles displayed in vlc or kaffeine?
[11:58] <closure> man xchat just froze
[11:58] <closure> that was sucky
[11:58] <ChurcH> yea it does that sometimes
[11:59] <closure> i need to reinstall clean
[11:59] <closure> there's a bunch of apps i installed and i don't really know how to get rid of them
[11:59] <closure> cause i'm not very proficient with linux
[11:59] <closure> i like apt-get
[11:59] <closure> but if i manually install shit i have no idea how to uninstall it really
[12:00] <ChurcH> lol
[12:00] <ChurcH> same here
[12:01] <ChurcH> i try to install from synaptic whenever possible
[12:01] <BobaFett> guys ... i'm having dependency problems with 'konversation' when installing kubuntu-desktop from apt-get... anyone knows what repos might I have missing?
[12:02] <ChurcH> i love linux can it get any better?
[12:03] <ChurcH> i mean it rocks harder than any other os i tryed
[12:04] <closure> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH
[12:04] <closure> it freezes when i join this channel i can't figure it out at all
[12:04] <closure> any ideas?
[12:04] <ChurcH> me no
[12:05] <closure> damn
[12:05] <closure> i asked on the forums
[12:05] <closure> maybe someone has responded
[12:06] <closure> hey KaiL
[12:06] <stisev> hi All