[13:07] <_stink_> hi
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> hi
[13:16] <jrwren> lol: https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/pull/313#event-1292737111
[13:17] <jrwren> I love it when things are merged 7+months later.
[13:17] <rick_h> jrwren: :)
[13:17] <mrgoodcat> probably the dev ran into whatever bug you were trying to fix
[13:21] <jrwren> yup
[13:41] <jrwren> wow! http://dragon.computer  this is great.
[13:42] <jrwren> specifically the dragonfire part.


[08:17] <danielbeck> hello! I would like to test an application with the ubuntu touch emulator. I would like to install and start the application from the command line, since the ubuntu touch emulator does not work well for me (the screen stays black)
[08:18] <danielbeck> I copied the click file and installed it with pkcon. Now I would like to start it from the adb shell, but I don't know how to do it. Can someone give me a hint?
[11:22] <danielbeck> hello! I would like to test an application with the ubuntu touch emulator. I would like to install and start the application from the command line, since the ubuntu touch emulator does not work well for me (the screen stays black)
[11:22] <danielbeck> I copied the click file and installed it with pkcon. Now I would like to start it from the adb shell, but I don't know how to do it. Can someone give me a hint?
[15:14] <pikachuza> hi all
[15:15] <pikachuza> does anyone know how to execute a command in html5 and then get back the output from std out for use in a html5 app?
[15:15] <pikachuza> or if this is not directly possible, how can one call node.js from within an html5 app?
[16:42] <pikachuza> is there anyway to link to the underlying OS shell from javascript/html5 app?
[16:44] <daker> pikachuza: what do you mean ?
[16:44] <pikachuza> daker - i would like execute a linux command and then use the results in an html5 app
[16:45] <daker> pikachuza: what kind of command ?
[16:45] <pikachuza> daker like one would do in a bash script for example.
[16:45] <daker> pikachuza: that's not possible
[16:45] <pikachuza> daker - top, df etc
[16:45] <pikachuza> daker - mmm thought that might be the case
[16:46] <pikachuza> daker i don't suppose there is any plans to add this?  Also no way to call node.js from within your html5 app?
[16:48] <daker> i am not sure about that
[16:49] <daker> pikachuza: it can be a security issue their
[16:51] <pikachuza> daker - yeah. I can image they wouldn't want it for phones but for desktop apps this kind of integration is essential :(
[16:52] <daker> pikachuza: we do have JS APIs to do some common task, like trigger download, create a alarm, get push notification...
[16:53] <daker> but accessing a lower level of the shell is not possible
[16:54] <pikachuza> daker - i seen those. Are there more coming? APIs. For example how can one access a mongdb database from an html5 app? Do you think that will be on the list at all?
[16:54] <pikachuza> daker or is the plan to be that the developer should create some kind of rest api with another language to provide this info to the frontend?
[16:54] <pikachuza> ui
[16:55] <daker> yeah that's what's the recommended way
[16:56] <pikachuza> daker: ok. Is there any recommendation for the rest "server" side. If it will be running on the same desktop. I am thinking of launching a node.js application then using the html5 sdk for the front-end
[16:56] <pikachuza> daker: how can I get the node.js portion to launch when the ui  luanches?
[17:01] <daker> pikachuza: it up to you, for now we don't provide a way to automatically link the backend & the frontend like angular and others
[17:01] <pikachuza> daker  - cool. thanks for the info
[17:01] <daker> you can just jquery or other lib to do that
[17:01] <daker> use*


[00:17] <Tronic> jtaylor: I've got a laptop.
[00:17] <Tronic> And also proper faked DPI on desktop now.
[00:20] <Fudge> any known problems with mouse not focussing correctly in yesterdays daily precise, click a menu and the menu appears about 4 inches away and cant click on things
[00:22] <Fudge> will create a new user see if it does it
[01:50] <oconnore> I can't report a bug on launchpad for this (yellow exclamation point?), but nm-applet version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 in ubuntu 12.04 on amd64 has issues. It had the cpu pegged at 100% and had used 1.5GB of res. Memory leak/infinite loop?
[01:51] <oconnore> Hopefully this finds the right person... launchpad is being difficult and i have to get back to work.
[01:52] <oconnore> I have had to restart the process several times in the last few days.
[01:54] <trism> oconnore: did you update recently? this is supposed to be fixed according to bug 930491
[01:57] <oconnore> trism: Oh, awesome. I upgraded ~18 hours ago, but it looks like the patch went out 11 hours ago. I have a bunch of networking related upgrades queued so I bet that's the fix.
[01:57] <oconnore> thanks
[01:57] <oconnore> Things move fast in alpha... :)
[02:04] <Fudge> any known probs with macbook suspend
[09:59] <fuhewkf> I have noticed amavisd-new-postfix setup script is broken, I could use some pointers on finding the cause
[10:00] <ikonia> how is it broken ?
[10:00] <fuhewkf> 'invoke-rc.d: initscript amavis, action "restart" failed.'
[10:00] <fuhewkf> because: Stopping amavisd: (not running).
[10:00] <ikonia> ok, that just means it's not started it, that could be because you've not configured it
[10:00] <ikonia> that doesn't mean it's broke
[10:00] <fuhewkf> Starting amavisd: The amavisd daemon is already running, PID: [1070] (failed).
[10:01] <ikonia> that's like trying to stop something that isn't running,
[10:01] <ikonia> fuhewkf: look at pid 1070 see what that is
[10:02] <fuhewkf> 'amavisd (master)'  run by user 'amavis'
[10:02] <ikonia> ok, so the process is running, try to stop it now
[10:03] <fuhewkf> done, that fixed it
[10:03] <fuhewkf> thanks, no more errors when running apt, I feel a but stupid now
[10:04] <fuhewkf> but 'sudo service amavis restart' still fails
[10:04] <ikonia> it won't "restart" as it's not running
[10:04] <fuhewkf> but that appears to have been reported in launchpad already
[10:04] <fuhewkf> but it is running:
[10:05] <fuhewkf> Stopping amavisd: (not running). Starting amavisd: The amavisd daemon is already running, PID: [27136] (failed).
[10:05] <fuhewkf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amavisd-new/+bug/930916
[10:05] <ikonia> ok, so the bug is already logged, what's the problem ?
[10:05] <fuhewkf> Well I'd like to help fix the script
[10:06] <ikonia> ok, fix it
[10:06] <ikonia> what's stopping you
[10:07] <fuhewkf> I can't get a new package into the repository, I'd say the approach Debian took would do (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652026)
[10:07] <ikonia> fuhewkf you can submit a fix and it will get patched and the package will get updated
[10:10] <fuhewkf> OK, I'll take a look. Would I need to fix the current version (2.6.5) or could I use 2.7.0 (where the work already has been done for me)
[10:10] <fuhewkf> 2.7.0 is stable of course
[10:11] <fuhewkf> but I don't know if the jump from 2.6 to 2.7 is allowed for 12.04
[10:12] <fuhewkf> maybe 2.6.6 fies things as well of course, will check the reports for amavis
[10:15] <zzecool> fuhewkf:  may i ask what exactly amavis is about ?
[10:17] <fuhewkf> checking mail fot spam etc
[10:17] <zzecool> fuhewkf: nevermind i got it
[10:17] <zzecool> yeah yeah ty :)
[10:18] <zzecool> man in the middle for mail <-----> antivirus spam etc
[10:18] <zzecool> the negotiator ;p
[10:23] <fuhewkf> I have found another approach to fix it: not checking the processes owner: http://www.cgellings.nl/?p=84&lang=en, another thing would be to change DAEMONNAME=amavisd-new to DAEMONNAME=amavisd in the init script, but i would not know the implications
[10:23] <Name141> Is there any word of what the next release will use in terms of the look? Unity ?
[10:26] <fuhewkf> changing DAEMONNAMEs does not work...
[10:28] <fuhewkf> Is it bad practice to not check the process user name as is proposed in http://www.cgellings.nl/?p=84&lang=en ?
[14:13] <glosoli> "Adobe will no longer provide new releases of Flash Player for Linux after version 11.2, the company has today announced."
[14:13] <glosoli> zzecool:
[14:13] <zzecool> ?
[14:13] <zzecool> i saw
[14:13] <zzecool> rip flash
[14:13] <zzecool> i dont even care
[14:13] <zzecool> html5 is the future
[14:13] <zzecool> glosoli:
[14:16] <glosoli> zzecool: well yes, but for some it's needed, coz youtube still doesn't support some videos using HTML5
[14:16] <zzecool> you will have the current version
[14:16] <zzecool> for the time
[14:16] <zzecool> or just use chrome
[14:17] <zzecool> after all its way better than firefox
[14:17] <zzecool> afk
[14:22] <glosoli> zzecool: in btw, it will be supported from chrome, with Pepper Engine
[15:07] <coz_> hey guys, recent updates have left home folder/ nautilus not working..any solutons?
[15:10] <ikonia> coz_: could you expand on "not working"
[15:11] <coz_> ikonia,   yeah.. first reboot reported libdbus and dbus needed to be update,, at that point no desktop icons and home folder not accessible,, dist-upgrade did indeed update both of those,, on second restart same issue,, no pop up report however
[15:12] <ikonia> coz_: so in essence visting /home in nautilus does nothing /
[15:12] <coz_> ikonia,  correct
[15:13] <coz_> ikonia,  all applications are accessible and working however
[15:13] <ikonia> coz_: to be honest, I'd log a bug, that sounds like a bug not a configuration issue
[15:13] <coz_> ikonia,  I am sure it is  :)  and I will do that thanks
[15:14] <ikonia> coz_: no point trying to hack around what seems like a genuine bug,
[15:14] <coz_> ikonia,  agreed, i was hoping someone had a solution or had experienced similar issue after current updates
[15:15] <ikonia> coz_: checking with other users to verify the bug seems a good approach too
[15:15] <ikonia> don't let me stop you doing that
[15:15] <coz_> understood
[15:32] <roasted> hi
[15:32] <roasted> what is the default browser listed for 12.04?
[15:32] <coz_> firefox I believe
[15:33] <roasted> ;/
[15:33] <coz_> you c ould always in stall chromium-browser
[15:33] <roasted> oh I know
[15:33] <roasted> we were just discussing our 12.04 rollout here at work
[15:33] <coz_> ah ok
[15:33] <roasted> we just moved to chrome as default and the linux flash chrome thing this morning caught our eye
[15:35] <tsimpson> roasted: you have 5 years to react to that
[15:36] <roasted> tsimpson: oh I know. It's not even an issue. We just got to talking about it and we all realized none of us knew what the default browser was for 12.04. :P
[15:37] <tsimpson> I don't see Ubuntu moving away from FF for a long time yet. and it'd likely be big news if it did
[15:37] <coz_> real big newws :)
[15:37] <tsimpson> I bet Ubuntu is responsible for a large share of it's user base
[15:38] <roasted> tsimpson: I hear ya.
[15:38] <roasted> I was surprised they went back to rhythmbox. I thought rhythmbox development stalled?
[15:39] <coz_> I was going to say "apparently  not"  but I really havent been keeping tract of that
[15:40] <roasted> coz_: that was the argument I read about when banshee came into the picture... it was due to banshee being the other "big wig" media player but with active development, something r-box was lacking. I wonder if Ubuntu picked up support or if the devs came back from hiatus?
[15:41] <coz_> roasted,  i wouldnt mind knowing that myself.. I do like rbox better
[15:41] <roasted> coz_: I do as well.
[15:41] <roasted> coz_: I still use clementine as my default though. Something about that app is pure <3.
[15:41] <coz_> roasted,  yeah.. i also like clementine as well  ,, nice looking also :)
[15:42] <roasted> coz_: mhm. do you know if r-box has album art fetching?
[15:42] <coz_> mm let me see if I can find out
[15:42] <roasted> I'm on a blasted mac right now or I'd fire it up and see for myself :(
[15:43] <coz_> roasted,  I am reading there is an r-box plugin for album art
[15:43] <coz_> roasted,    http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/albumartsreach-plugin-rhythmbox/
[15:48] <roasted> coz_: very nice.
[15:48] <roasted> maybe i'll give it a go when I get done building my setup later
[15:48] <roasted> computer is currently in pieces :(
[15:48] <roasted> surgical implanation of better proc and SSD is underway
[15:48] <coz_> roasted,  I cant test it here on 12.04.. nautilus is not working right now
[15:49] <roasted> coz_: all good. knowing it exists is more than enough. :)
[15:49] <coz_> roasted,  for sure,, although I also cant find .gnome2.rhythmbox :(
[15:50] <coz_> test another time I guess
[17:36] <oconnore> ahhh, using alt to popup a search menu is so retarded. How do I turn this off so I can use emacs/any program that uses modifier keys?
[17:41] <zzecool> oconnore: do you have ccsm installed?
[17:42] <oconnore> ccsm? apt-cache show ccsm -> no package found
[17:42] <oconnore> zzecool: why is that relevant?
[17:44] <zzecool> yes
[17:44] <oconnore> yes?
[17:44] <zzecool> oconnore: ccsm is compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:44] <zzecool> its the tool to modify and control all the compiz plugins
[17:45] <zzecool> actually is the gui for gconf
[17:45] <zzecool> something like that
[17:45] <zzecool> install it
[17:45] <zzecool> and come back to me
[17:45] <zzecool> ill guide you its easy
[17:45] <zzecool>  1 2 3 clicks and you are done
[17:46] <zzecool> Unity is nonithing more than a Compiz plugin so we have total control through CCSM
[17:46] <zzecool> nothing*
[17:47] <oconnore> I can't believe that ubuntu makes you install a package just to have a usable interface. Anyways, it's not your fault, thanks for your help.
[17:47] <oconnore> installing now
[17:48] <oconnore> If I didn't have irc I would be reinstalling windows 7 right now.
[17:48] <zzecool> oconnore: i dont beleive that you are serious
[17:48] <zzecool> you are using a beta version
[17:49] <zzecool> and there are allrdy bug report for alt
[17:49] <zzecool> that will make it working only on ALT RELEASE
[17:49] <zzecool> that gonna fix almost every problem
[17:49] <zzecool> so be petient
[17:49] <zzecool> and help by report bugs like that
[17:49] <zzecool> or check if it is alrdy reported
[17:49] <oconnore> zzecool: ok, I thought that was going to go through into the actual release.
[17:50] <oconnore> sorry for my frustration
[17:50] <zzecool> np
[17:50] <zzecool> i had the same prob
[17:50] <oconnore> anyways, i have ccsm up now
[17:50] <zzecool> i have it disabled for the time
[17:50] <zzecool> ok
[17:50] <zzecool> run it
[17:50] <oconnore> yep
[17:50] <zzecool> on the right find unity plugin
[17:50] <zzecool> or use the filter
[17:50] <zzecool> to type unity
[17:50] <oconnore> yep
[17:51] <oconnore> got it
[17:51] <zzecool> open it
[17:51] <oconnore> yep
[17:51] <zzecool> its the first option on the first tab
[17:51] <zzecool> press on alt
[17:51] <zzecool> disable it or change it tosomething else
[17:51] <zzecool> if you wanna revert back press the arrow on the right
[17:51] <zzecool> it gonna reset to the default value agian
[17:51] <zzecool> again
[17:52] <oconnore> zzecool: will this persist on reboot?
[17:52] <zzecool> Be very carefull with CCSM if you dont know what you are doing it can brick your desktop
[17:52] <zzecool> every change is permanent here
[17:52] <zzecool> unless you chnge it back
[17:52] <oconnore> ok
[17:52] <zzecool> thats why you can brick your desktop
[17:53] <zzecool> just be carefull
[17:53] <oconnore> zzecool: understood. It was really just alt. thanks for your help
[17:53] <zzecool> np
[17:53] <Daekdroom> oconnore, zzecool: 'unity --reset' changes everything there to default, and some Unity updates will forcefully overwrite the options there, but it's not everytime.
[17:53] <zzecool> True
[17:53] <zzecool> nice advice Daekdroom
[17:53] <zzecool> i forgot it :)
[17:54] <Daekdroom> 'unity --reset' is also how you fix it after you mess things up with ccsm
[17:54] <Daekdroom> But I guess not enough people know that, so we have a nice warning.
[17:55] <zzecool> best way is to delete the folder in your settings form the home folder
[17:55] <zzecool> if you are totaly bricked
[17:55] <zzecool> but unity --reset works most of the times good
[17:55] <zzecool> your settins folder*
[17:55] <zzecool> omg my typos .......
[17:55] <zzecool> nvmind
[17:56] <oconnore> on a more positive note, this has been my only real problem with 12.04 :)
[17:56] <zzecool> oconnore: its quite stable
[17:56] <zzecool> its was quie stable since alpha
[17:56] <zzecool> it was*
[18:01] <zzecool> brb
[18:06] <yurikoles> how to install skype&
[18:06] <yurikoles> ?
[18:15] <zzecool> yurikoles: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[18:18] <yurikoles> zzecool: try to install libqtcore4:i386
[18:18] <zzecool> ?
[18:18] <yurikoles> on amd64
[18:18] <zzecool> sec im on phone
[18:21] <zzecool> yurikoles: yes
[18:22] <zzecool> i advice you to install  "ia32libs"
[18:22] <zzecool> to have multiarch suport
[18:22] <zzecool> and then install every other dependency skype will ask
[18:22] <yurikoles> ia32libs is transitional package
[18:22] <zzecool> its ok
[18:22] <zzecool> yes
[18:22] <zzecool> its a meta it is going to install 32bit libs
[18:22] <zzecool> so you can run some 32bit apps in 64bit system
[18:23] <yurikoles> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:23] <yurikoles>  ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-multiarch
[18:23] <yurikoles> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:23] <zzecool> like skype the deb is 64bit but the app is 32 bit
[18:23] <zzecool> pseudo 64bit
[18:23] <yurikoles> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:23] <yurikoles>  ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 : Depends: libqt4-dbus:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-network:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-opengl:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-qt3support:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-script:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-scripttools:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-sql:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-svg:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-test:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <glosoli> pastebin.............................................
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-xml:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:23] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqt4-xmlpatterns:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:24] <zzecool> lo
[18:24] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqtcore4:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:24] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqtgui4:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:24] <glosoli> yurikoles: USE PASTEBIN!!!! I MEAN IT
[18:24] <yurikoles>                             Depends: libqtwebkit4:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[18:24] <yurikoles> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:24] <yurikoles> ok
[18:25] <zzecool> yurikoles: make sure that you are using the main source server
[18:25] <zzecool> and do a refresh
[18:25] <zzecool> then try again
[18:25] <yurikoles> you mean archive.ubuntu.com ?
[18:25] <glosoli> zzecool: make sure to use pastebin
[18:25] <zzecool> yurikoles: yes
[18:26] <zzecool> yurikoles: and as glosoli said use pastebin for cli output
[18:28] <zzecool> glosoli: any new bug ?
[18:29] <zzecool> glosoli:  ?
[18:30] <yurikoles> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ru/precise/libqtcore4
[18:30] <yurikoles> version difference
[18:37] <glosoli> zzecool: yeah, there are couple
[18:37] <glosoli> :Ū
[18:37] <glosoli> :(
[18:39] <glosoli> zzecool: When you press sound indicator, and some music is playing, album cover icon seems to be washed out to the right that much, that I can barely see it. And other problems are just from ATI :)
[18:39] <zzecool> ;/
[18:40] <glosoli> zzecool: and to remind, Google Chrome with Adobe will support Flash for Linux ;D
[18:40] <glosoli> if you didin't saw my previous post
[18:42] <zzecool> you didnt saw mine ;p
[18:42] <zzecool> i alrdy told ya
[18:42] <glosoli> sorry :/
[18:43] <zzecool> glosoli: tell me somthing in private
[18:43] <zzecool> anything
[18:43] <zzecool> wanna check something
[18:48] <yurikoles> i fixed my proble.
[18:48] <yurikoles> so main archive server is a must for ubuntu +1?
[18:49] <glosoli> yurikoles: nah
[19:23] <jo-erlend> should I be able to install using ubiquity now? The last few times I've tried, in a guest vm, my desktop or laptop, it's crashed.
[19:41] <hacked_kernel> in Ubuntu 12.04, why port 53 tcp is opened?
[19:42] <penguin42> that's DNS isn't it?
[19:43] <hacked_kernel> well, whats new in this version, it doesn't exists before
[19:44] <penguin42> when you say opened what do you mean - is it listening on port 53 or making requests on 53?
[19:45] <hacked_kernel> listening on port 53
[19:45] <hacked_kernel> nmap 53/tcp open  domain
[19:46] <penguin42> hacked_kernel: So   sudo netstat -anp  and see what's listening on :53
[19:49] <ironhalik> hmm, is there a way to speed up apt updating repos?
[19:50] <hacked_kernel> <IP_ADDRESS>:53            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      -
[19:51] <ironhalik> hmm, anyone noticed clipboard acting funny?
[19:52] <ironhalik> I loose clipboard content when I close the app that I copied from
[19:53] <penguin42> hacked_kernel: So that's just listening on the local interface anyway - nothing external; if you do that as root and with the p option it'll show you the program
[19:54] <hacked_kernel>   penguin42 its dnsmasq
[19:54] <hacked_kernel> is fine to just uninstall dnsmasq?
[19:56] <penguin42> not sure whether anything's dependent on it - I think Network Manager will set it up when you have connection sharing or if you're using kvm
[19:57] <zzecool> hacked_kernel:  i can answer you
[19:57] <zzecool> hacked_kernel: in precise together with network manager they installed by default a dns server cache
[19:58] <zzecool> hacked_kernel: dnsmasq
[19:58] <zzecool> and by default it collects  dns request so you have a faster experience
[19:58] <penguin42> oh, ah that would explain it - if it's just listening on loopback there's nothing to worry about
[19:59] <Adys> why is libxrandr-dev:i386 conflicting with libxrandr-dev ?
[19:59] <zzecool> it is listening on <IP_ADDRESS> by defualt
[19:59] <zzecool> default*
[19:59] <Adys> http://dpaste.com/706881/
[19:59] <hacked_kernel> i see
[19:59] <hacked_kernel> also i'm experiencing very slow connection
[19:59] <zzecool> hacked_kernel: nothing to worry aout
[19:59] <zzecool> :)
[19:59] <zzecool> nothing to do with that
[19:59] <zzecool> something else is your problem
[20:00] <zzecool> dnsmasq just keeps a local cache instead of ramming your ISP dns servers :p
[20:00] <hacked_kernel> how can i fix DNS server IPs permanenly ?
[20:00] <hacked_kernel> in resolve.conf
[20:00] <zzecool> no
[20:00] <zzecool> its will not work
[20:01] <zzecool> like this because it will autochange to <IP_ADDRESS> where dnsmasq listens
[20:01] <hacked_kernel> so can i add the dns servers in dnsmasq conf?
[20:01] <zzecool> no need add them to the network manager
[20:01] <zzecool> and they gonna work
[20:01] <zzecool> dnsmasq will handle it
[20:12] <hacked_kernel> zzecool, how often dnsmasq updates its entries?
[20:13] <zzecool> as soon as you right click disconnect and reconnect
[20:13] <zzecool> :D
[20:13] <zzecool> it has to do with network managet not dnsmaq
[20:13] <zzecool> dnsmasq*
[20:13] <zzecool> manager* ffs my typos
[20:14] <zzecool> and its actually left click whatever...
[20:26] <ironhalik> zzecool: uh, so if I had bind9 for dns caching, I now have two?
[20:26] <ironhalik> :>
[20:53] <cheako> is thee any documentation for overlayfs?
[21:00] <zzecool> ironhalik: yes
[21:01] <zzecool> ironhalik: and if they both listening to the same  ip port the you have a problem - confict
[21:02] <ironhalik> zzecool: dnsmasq runs as a service?
[21:03] <ironhalik> ah, here it is
[21:03] <ironhalik> dnsmasq wasnt installed for some reason
[21:03] <ironhalik> after installation it tried to start at port 53 and failed
[21:05] <zzecool> ironhalik: ill be with you in 5 min :)
[21:05] <ironhalik> nah, dont bother :)
[21:05] <ironhalik> for some reason the upgrade didnt install dnsmasq
[21:06] <ironhalik> maybe because I already had bind9
[21:06] <ironhalik> either way, Ive got a dns cache working
[21:06] <zzecool> ;)
[21:07] <zzecool> i found about dnsmasq when tried to install DNSCrypt   ( ecryption for opendns )
[21:07] <zzecool> and failed....
[21:07] <zzecool> because was listening on the same prto
[21:07] <zzecool> port
[21:11] <ironhalik> is it possible that slashdot has some resolving lag with dns cache? :>
[21:23] <zzecool> ironhalik: i dont think it depents on your dns
[21:38] <mikeconcepts> would like to test 12.04 but nm-applet crashes every time I try to connect... Dell D410 laptop, ideas to try?
[21:39] <mikeconcepts> this is from the daily build today live cd
[21:40] <ironhalik_> a bit off-topic
[21:40] <ironhalik_> but how are you doing with Ubuntu 12 and D410?
[21:40] <ironhalik_> Ive got D420, with arch linux and gnome shell, because unita was too laggy :)
[21:59] <zzecool> more updates landed
[22:02] <ironhalik_> hmm, can I speed up the repo refresh process in apt?
[22:02] <ironhalik_> after you add some PPAs, it takes almost forever
[22:02] <Daekdroom> Try a mirror that's closer to you
[22:03] <Daekdroom> (but it'll take longer for you to get new packages)
[22:03] <ironhalik_> Im already on a local mirror
[22:03] <yofel> ironhalik_: not really, apt downloads compressed list files from the servers, and only those that have changed since the last update
[22:03] <ironhalik_> actually, Im in the same city as :)
[22:04] <ironhalik_> hmm, yeah it ignores most of them
[22:04] <ironhalik_> ha, its the google repo
[22:05] <ironhalik_> cant do anything about it :/
[22:05] <ironhalik_> or I can switch to chromium :)
[22:06] <zzecool> ironhalik_: yes there is a ay
[22:06] <zzecool> way
[22:06] <zzecool> try to google " apt-fast "  there are guides
[22:06] <ironhalik> hmm, yeah, Ive seen it
[22:07] <zzecool> its actually a script using aria downloader with apt
[22:07] <ironhalik> but it mostly uses multithreaded downloads for the large files
[22:07] <zzecool> yeap
[22:07] <ironhalik> I tried it with axel
[22:07] <zzecool> i have it with aria
[22:07] <zzecool> but i only use it for big updates
[22:08] <ironhalik> I can saturate my dl link when downloading packages, its the repo refreshing that takes time
[22:08] <ironhalik> its not a big issue, just a bit annoying :)
[22:08] <zzecool> do you have 3rd party repos ?
[22:09] <zzecool> probably
[22:09] <zzecool> ?
[22:09] <ironhalik> yeah, sure
[22:09] <zzecool> 99
[22:09] <zzecool> 99% 3rd party is the culprit
[22:10] <ironhalik> well, for me, the google repo, I use to update chrome now seems to lag
[22:10] <zzecool> open your terminal fullscreen and check where it take too much time
[22:10] <zzecool> for me the last days it takes too much time on the google chrome repo
[22:10] <zzecool> :o
[22:10] <zzecool> its the repos prob
[22:10] <ironhalik> and since it lags every time, I thought apt downloads the manifest (or whatever its called) every time
[22:10] <zzecool> not your as you can see i have the same 2 days now
[22:11] <zzecool> i dont know how apt works
[22:11] <zzecool> so we cant rly know
[22:12] <zzecool> maybe they use rsync or redownload  the whole index every time
[22:12] <zzecool> i dont rly know
[22:12] <zzecool> and i dont care ( it bad to care for everything you mind sooner or later will blow )
[22:12] <zzecool> :o
[22:12] <zzecool> its*
[22:13] <Daekdroom> Apt checks if the index is the same as you have, and if it isn't, then it downloads the whole thing
[22:13] <ironhalik> well, I like collect random knowledge ;>
[22:13] <Daekdroom> When there are no repo changes, you download only about 20kB
[22:13] <Daekdroom> Maybe less
[22:13] <Daekdroom> (I think my PPAs bloat that value)
[22:17] <zzecool> ahh ty Daekdroom
[22:17] <zzecool> good to know
[23:10] <alexdw369> I'm new to Ubuntu and poking around on the new 12.04 alpha.  Having an issue with window background color vs font color contrast in settings dialogs as well as the Ubuntu software center.  Has anyone else seen this issue, and figured out how to solve it?
[23:12] <ironhalik> hmm, not here
[23:12] <ironhalik> whote background, black fonts
[23:12] <alexdw369> yeah i have a super light grey background with white fonts.  nearly impossible to read
[23:13] <alexdw369> it didn't install this way a few hours ago...change occured after a reboot
[23:15] <urfr332gO> alexdw369, rto be honest being a new user and learning on the development is a bad idea.
[23:17] <alexdw369> well....i guess I'm not trying to LEARN Linux, per se, but rather familiarize myself with troubleshooting....if that makes any sense
[23:18] <alexdw369> I enjoy learning how to solve problems.  I'm not trying to use this as a daily driver
[23:21] <urfr332gO> alexdw369, sure but this channel and the development is for getting it going for release not your theory of how you want to learn. :)
[23:58] <snadge> does nx work with precise ?
[23:59] <snadge> i kinda used to rely on it.. and it kinda worked for a while.. but doesnt appear to anymore, or i cant figure out whats wrong.. it creates a session, but then just dies


[06:22] <nhaines> So my greatest accomplishment so far as a LoCo leader is to get our logo updated: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/13x/exhibitors?page=6
[06:22] <darthrobot> Title: [Exhibitors | SCALE 13x]
[07:01] <philipballew> nhaines, the bio seems outdated
[07:02] <nhaines> philipballew: it's 100% accurate, so it goes on the queue.
[07:04] <nhaines> That said, if anyone wants to take a crack at it, feel free to email me!
[07:05] <philipballew> nhaines,  How about "Ubuntu: You already know what it is and already have an opinion on it"
[07:10] <nhaines> I'll probably go with something a little more descriptive.  :)
[07:55] <philipballew> nhaines, maybe "Ubuntu: We're like Debian, but for hipsters"
[07:57] <philipballew> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f2/f2a4810e4f57ba7674240f0863d5ffb12938556f37265163c7037d9227e7afca.jpg
[07:57] <darthrobot> Content type: [image/jpeg]
[07:57] <nhaines> Ubuntu *is* the third most popular desktop OS in the world.
[13:47] <rww> second is Debian amirite
[13:49] <nhaines> something something macintosh
[13:50] <rww> but going to conferences taught me that 90% of Macs have Linux on them
[13:50] <nhaines> It certainly doesn't hurt.