[12:03] <insanekane> libben: you need to update the grub image on your disk
[12:04] <insanekane> libben: at least, i *think* you need to ... why don't you just reboot and try ?
[12:05] <libben> i dont think i need to. ive altered it before with time command, and that was good.
[12:05] <libben> but ill notice if it was correct or not next reboot.
[12:05] <insanekane> libben: yep exactly :)
[12:10] <erwin[kaoul] > bonsoir !
[12:12] <anticlick> hi ya!!
[12:13] <anticlick> any here?
[12:15] <sincer> hy there]
[12:15] <erwin[kaoul] > yea
[12:15] <erwin[kaoul] > hi
[12:15] <sincer> An stupid question Kubuntu/Ubuntu users?
[12:15] <libben> shoot
[12:16] <libben> and if its to much for me, im of to bed
[12:16] <sincer> hehe
[12:16] <libben> ill go brush me teeth will u shoot it
[12:17] <sincer> I`m reinstaling it have the stupid acpi erorr... not fully installed all pakages
[12:17] <erwin[kaoul] > hum, install it without acpi.
[12:17] <sincer> somebody use Rosegarden?
[12:17] <libben> my tought also
[12:17] <erwin[kaoul] > option : noacpi
[12:18] <libben> sincer: hit the F keys before u hit ENTER when u boot the installation
[12:18] <mymayer> can i install the NNscript under linux ?
[12:18] <libben> i think it tells u whaat to type for not having ACPI
[12:18] <sincer> k
[12:18] <sincer> i`ve disabled in BIOS
[12:18] <sincer> :)
[12:18] <Drakeson> is 3.5 (final) out yet?
[12:18] <sincer> I thinck I`ll use no vesa
[12:18] <sincer> Kde 3.5 R1
[12:18] <sincer> :)
[12:19] <sincer> is on the site about it dunno..
[12:19] <Drakeson> sincer: I saw RC2 src, but now I mean final
[12:19] <sincer> uhmm...
[12:20] <sincer> no thinck so
[12:20] <sincer> :S i`ve tested Gentoo , Yoper last day`s
[12:20] <sincer> Gentoo took me a week...shiti shiti
[12:20] <sincer> Kubuntu - stable
[12:20] <sincer> and fast
[12:21] <sincer> Fedora core ... huh ver 4
[12:21] <sincer> slow like hell
[12:21] <Drakeson> what about suse?
[12:21] <sincer> not tested
[12:21] <sincer> i think all of Debian -based
[12:21] <sincer> are good... for now
[12:21] <sincer> :)
[12:22] <raphink> sincer: I know Riddell is packaging RC2 lately
[12:22] <sincer> Knopix Mopix
[12:22] <raphink> should be out soon
[12:22] <sincer> K
[12:22] <sincer> nice to know
[12:22] <sincer> somebody pakged Rosegarde 4.10?
[12:22] <sincer> DSSI?
[12:22] <Drakeson> raphink: what is the release date of 3.5 final? is it 29th?
[12:22] <raphink> if you want it now, you can use konstruct ;)
[12:23] <raphink> theorically yes Drakeson
[12:23] <raphink> but since 3.5rc1 was a few days late
[12:23] <raphink> 3.5 final might be a bit late too
[12:23] <Drakeson> the web site says 29rd ;) mean it was 23rd sometime ;)
[12:23] <Drakeson> thanks
[12:23] <raphink> haha
[12:23] <raphink> or 33rd :D
[12:24] <raphink> :
[12:24] <sincer> hmmmm Kubuntu is fast...hmm... i think i`ll make it my OS
[12:24] <raphink> sincer: good choice ;)
[12:24] <sincer> Rosegarden 4.10 pakaged?! or i`ll compile it...hmm it takes to long to my pc
[12:24] <raphink> although it's got many more good stuff than just being fast ;)
[12:24] <sincer> half a day
[12:25] <raphink> sincer:  you can also check if a debian package is available
[12:25] <Drakeson> sincer: I resisted too, but i fell into kubuntu :)
[12:25] <raphink> try to install or compile the package
[12:25] <sincer> i`m in adept searchinf
[12:25] <sincer> searching
[12:25] <raphink> sincer: did you activate universe and multiver?
[12:25] <raphink> multiverse
[12:26] <sincer> translate to me
[12:26] <sincer> i`m missconfuzed
[12:26] <sincer> :D
[12:27] <raphink> then I guess you have not ;)
[12:27] <sincer> how do i set that
[12:27] <raphink> official ubuntu repositories are split in 3 parts : main, universe and multiverse
[12:27] <raphink> `main' are the main packages
[12:27] <raphink> obvious
[12:27] <raphink> `universe' are additional packages
[12:27] <raphink> and `multiverse' are packages that might not follow the ubuntu policy
[12:28] <raphink> such as non open-source apps
[12:28] <raphink> if I'm not wrong ;)
[12:28] <sincer> oo.. that no
[12:28] <sincer> :D
[12:28] <raphink> sincer: what app do you use for packages ? adept ?
[12:28] <sincer> adept
[12:28] <sincer> fresh install
[12:28] <sincer> of Kubuntu
[12:28] <raphink> then open adept
[12:28] <sincer> .,.. eronemous one...
[12:28] <sincer> reinstal in 10 min
[12:28] <sincer> :D
[12:29] <raphink> go to Adept -> Manage repositories
[12:29] <sincer> aha
[12:29] <raphink> and uncomment the universe and multiverse lines
[12:29] <raphink> then apply, close and click "Fetch updates"
[12:29] <sincer> ooo...
[12:29] <sincer> i know
[12:29] <sincer> ...i`m stupid at this part
[12:29] <raphink> you'll have many more packages available ;)
[12:29] <sincer> :))))))))))))
[12:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> adept is still in development, right?
[12:29] <sincer> what a stupid moment  for me
[12:30] <sincer> :D
[12:30] <raphink> sure as most apps are Rogue_Jedi_X ;)
[12:30] <raphink> it's not a beta version though
[12:30] <raphink> otherwise it wouldn't be the defautl package manager in kubuntu ;)
[12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, yeah, I figured as much :)
[12:30] <sincer> fetching
[12:31] <sincer> yeah..
[12:31] <_osh> I'm thinking adept is a tad on the slow side. What is it written in?
[12:31] <raphink> I don't like package manager guis ;)
[12:31] <raphink> apt-get and aptitude in console are the best ;)
[12:31] <raphink> no need for a gui to manage packages when there are such great tools ;)
[12:31] <raphink> hehe
[12:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just thought it still has some areas worth looking into like better repo management or showing where packages have their files installed
[12:31] <sincer> yeah... Gentoo killed some of my brains so..
[12:31] <sincer> i love graphic part
[12:31] <sincer> :D
[12:32] <sincer> no stress
[12:32] <sincer> :D
[12:32] <raphink> hehe
[12:32] <raphink> well I would enjoy it more if there was a package manager such as finkcommander
[12:32] <raphink> for kubuntu
[12:32] <raphink> but there isn't that I know of
[12:32] <raphink> for any linux distro
[12:32] <raphink> and I'm not to program it
[12:32] <raphink> at least now
[12:33] <raphink> and finkcommander might not be ported easily since it's a Mac OS app
[12:33] <sincer> hehe
[12:33] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: fink is an apt-get-based package manager for Mac OS
[12:33] <raphink> letting you install linux apps on Mac OS
[12:33] <raphink> and finkcommander is the gui for it
[12:33] <raphink> using it, you can install kde, amarok and other great stuff on Mac OS using Darwin and Fink
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Neat-o
[12:34] <raphink> (and no, my nick has nothing to do with it)
[12:34] <raphink> Finkcommander is really well done
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If I actually had a Mac, that is
[12:34] <raphink> it lets you install source packages
[12:34] <raphink> or build them from the gui
[12:34] <raphink> which is something that our guis lack
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I say it's just a matter of time
[12:35] <raphink> http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/about/images/inspector.jpg
[12:35] <raphink> look
[12:35] <raphink> I think it's really well done and should be an example for other package manager projects imo
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nice. Though I sometimes like to add extra parameters when building packages
[12:36] <raphink> sure
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Like mldonkey, when I don't want Kazaa support
[12:36] <raphink> but at least there it can be done
[12:36] <raphink> whereas synaptic, kynaptic, kpackage or adept won't let you do so
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yes, very commendable
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, from what I understand package management is quite an issue for Linux in general
[12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There's rpms, debs, tgzs, source-based distros and recently autopackage
[12:38] <raphink> yes there are various approaches
[12:38] <raphink> I would say rpm is an old approach that is getting obsolete imo
[12:39] <raphink> even mandriva users (mandriva using rpm) use apt-get more and more
[12:39] <raphink> so that I heard mandriva is developing a new package system based on apt-get
[12:39] <raphink> then you have the source-based approch as you said
[12:39] <raphink> such a gentoo
[12:39] <raphink> I don't really see a point in this for most users
[12:39] <raphink> you don't gain much
[12:39] <raphink> you loose much time though
[12:39] <raphink> taking 70 hours to build KDE
[12:39] <raphink> if it doesn't fail
[12:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's not entirely true
[12:40] <raphink> and not testing programs because it takes too long
[12:40] <raphink> and then
[12:40] <raphink> you can do the same with apt-get actually
[12:40] <raphink> using apt-get --build source $package
[12:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You get stability. By using precompiled packages there's a risk, though minimal, that it's not built properly
[12:40] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: depends
[12:40] <pv_> i would imagine you get something else than stability
[12:40] <raphink> Debian policy is such that this risk is minimal
[12:40] <pv_> precompiled packages can be tested by many people
[12:40] <sincer> :( no Rosegaden i must compile it
[12:40] <raphink> and they are pv_
[12:41] <raphink> debian and ubuntu packages are tested, checked, reviewed
[12:41] <raphink> and must be conform to the Debian policy
[12:41] <raphink> which is very strict
[12:41] <sincer> DSSI ...i must compile it... :(
[12:41] <raphink> I'm afraid most distros don't have such a stric policy on packaging
[12:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> pv_: True, but there's always goofs. My Kaffeine, for example crashed whenever I tried opening a video file when another was playing. Compiling from source fixed that
[12:42] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: then you can report it
[12:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I think it already is
[12:42] <raphink> of course there's always a few bugs that can hardly be avoided
[12:43] <raphink> but so far I think the deb system is the best I've seen around
[12:43] <raphink> although it has weaknesses ;)
[12:43] <raphink> just like all systems
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Agreed
[12:43] <sincer> Agree
[12:44] <pv_> but compared to yum or urpmi, apt-get is rock-stable and lightning-fast
[12:44] <sincer> Deb rules ..
[12:44] <raphink> yes pv_
[12:44] <raphink> urpmi is to disappear I think
[12:44] <sander_> don't forget smartpm, and yast. :)
[12:44] <pv_> never heard of them :)=I wonder if they can make yum fa
[12:44] <raphink> as I said, I've heard mandriva is developping a new package management system based on apt-get
[12:44] <pv_> ster
[12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just as well. It wasn't doing that well when I was on Mandrake
[12:44] <sincer> i hve a problem
[12:44] <raphink> sander_: there's pacman too, and others
[12:44] <sincer> guys
[12:44] <raphink> and emerge
[12:45] <sincer> i can`t login as SU
[12:45] <raphink> ;)
[12:45] <sincer> WTF
[12:45] <pv_> sincer, sudo -s
[12:45] <sander_> hmm, never heard of pacman, but yast v apt is making me reconsider my switch to OpenSuse. :)
[12:45] <sincer> thx pv
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> A pacman package manager. Ouch. I think I hear Namco's lawyers coming
[12:46] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: pacman is the archlinux's package manager
[12:47] <_osh> raphink: Why? Why bother building something that's already been built and is availible for download? Not saying you shouldn't do it, just curious to why you would want to.
[12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I'm no lawyer, but isn't using that name copyright infringement?
[12:47] <sincer> this is my sistem Celeron 433 mhz 128 ram :D ... Kubuntu running fast
[12:47] <sincer> :D
[12:48] <pv_> trademark infringement if anything maybe
[12:48] <pv_> but IANAL
[12:48] <raphink> _osh: some people like to build their packages, + that would allow using debian repos as deb-src for packages that are not available on ubuntu
[12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> pv_: Whoops, thanks for correcting me
[12:48] <raphink> _osh: and thus test debian packages easily before merging them
[12:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I think that's a great idea. While some would ignore it, others would embrace it
[12:49] <raphink> there could even be a system that would use the Debian repos and automatically build packages in an ubuntu pbuilder to check if Debian packages build well on Ubuntu
[12:50] <_osh> raphink: Go right ahead then. I'd like some updated packages in kubuntu... =)
[12:50] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: ubuntu packagers might like it ;)
[12:50] <raphink> _osh: you can package, too ;)
[12:50] <raphink> or work on merging
[12:50] <raphink> thing is, I'm a poor dev
[12:50] <raphink> ;)
[12:50] <_osh> raphink: I know. I do it for a living. RPM's, but still...
[12:50] <djk_> where can i find libqt3c102-mt ?
[12:50] <raphink> I would make it a bash script using a /tmp folder
[12:51] <raphink> djk_: `apt-cache search libqt3'
[12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk: Installed openwengo?
[12:51] <raphink> see if something matches your wish
[12:51] <_osh> djk_: aptitude search libqt3
[12:51] <djk_> raphink: no c102 :(
[12:51] <raphink> djk_: did you try with apt-file ?
[12:52] <djk_> no
[12:52] <raphink> or with apt:/search?libqt3c102
[12:52] <raphink> if you have kio-apt installed
[12:52] <raphink> which is great :)
[12:52] <raphink> sorry apt:/fsearch?libqt3
[12:52] <raphink> using kio-apt
[12:53] <_osh> raphink: Is there a document somewhere on how to roll .deb-packages? Something like max-rpm but for debs?
[12:53] <raphink> you mean a howto for debian packages ?
[12:53] <raphink> there's tons of docs about that ;)
[12:54] <raphink> the main one that has to be read is the New Debian Maintainer's Guide
[12:54] <raphink> _osh: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[12:54] <djk_> raphink: and how would i use kio-apt?
[12:54] <raphink> then Debian Policy should be at least looked at : http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[12:54] <raphink> install it djk_
[12:54] <raphink> from adept for ex
[12:54] <djk_> it is
[12:55] <raphink> it's installed ?
[12:55] <djk_> yes
[12:55] <raphink> then open konqueror and type `apt:/' as the url
[12:55] <raphink> ;)
[12:55] <raphink> and there you are
[12:56] <sander_> is the apt kio slave now part of the base kubuntu?
[12:57] <raphink> I don't think so sander_
[12:57] <Hobbsee> raphink: interesting links
[12:57] <djk_> raphink: well, it doesn't find it.
[12:57] <raphink> djk_: what does it say?
[12:57] <raphink> Hobbsee: essential links
[12:58] <djk_> *libqt3c102* not found
[12:58] <raphink> hmm
[12:58] <raphink> well then google for it
[12:58] <raphink> at least you learned to use kio-pat
[12:58] <raphink> which is nice
[01:00] <kairu0> hey all
[01:01] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0
[01:01] <kairu0> whats up Hobbs
[01:04] <Hobbsee> reading the newspaper, chatting
[01:04] <kairu0> i'm busy putting off installing kubuntu again
[01:05] <kairu0> i had a nasty locale problem that i couldnt fix so i installed mepis but mepis didnt work well with my wifi card
[01:05] <kairu0> so i'll probably install kubuntu again :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> kairu0: ah yes, dont remind me
[01:06] <Hobbsee> i've been happily putting off reinstalling 3 OS's
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoa, three?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Which ones?  Isn't it a bit early?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> all on a 40 gig hard drive
[01:08] <Hobbsee> testing release
[01:08] <kairu0> maybe i'll just stay in ubuntu for a while more
[01:08] <Hobbsee> it breaks...a lot lol....
[01:09] <Hobbsee> but it's interesting to watch, and then give up on for a while when i dont want to face it
[01:09] <djk_> is there a frontend for dosbox in the repos?
[01:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Is there a Linux frontend to dosbox to begin with?
[01:10] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: several
[01:10] <djk_> dosboxer, dboxfe
[01:11] <Hobbsee> kairu0: Rogue_Jedi_X the reason i'm putting it off is a lack of irc chat, or any other form of communication during the reinstall
[01:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Wow. I never knew. Anyways, do apt-cache search dosboxer and then the same with dboxfe
[01:14] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: well, those searches come back empty, of course. could be just my sources.list. either way. the dboxfe.deb requires libqt3c102-mt, which according to an ubuntuforum-thread would conflicht with ubuntus libqt3.. and the dosboxer.bin looks crappy
[01:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hobbsee: You could always make an audio interface to your modem and make weird beeps and chirps into it :P
[01:14] <djk_> s/conflicht/conflict
[01:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: You could compile it
[01:16] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i could but i'd rather not, considering that i just want to test them a little bit.
[01:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: The way I figure it's that or the crappy .bin you mentioned
[01:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> dboxfe-0.0.5-deb-source.tar.gz <- What's that supposed to be?
[01:20] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: seems to be the sources for a deb package ?
[01:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm staying up too late again and it shows
[01:22] <djk_> heh, at least you're doing something useful. i just want to play some old crappy games ;)
[01:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Did you just call half of my games crappy? :P
[01:24] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: hehe, depends. what do you play?
[01:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Well, nothing lately since my old puter is in some warehouse god knows where. Otherwise, Syndicate Wars, Legend of Kyrandia and whatever strikes my fancy
[01:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right. I'm close to finishing Leisure Suit Larry 7 too
[01:27] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: Syndicate Wars was a great game.
[01:28] <djk_> Larry..my hero :)
[01:28] <winblows> what's the default password for root?
[01:28] <djk_> winblows: there's none
[01:28] <winblows> so just leave it blank
[01:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> winblows: Whatever you set your user password to
[01:28] <winblows> k
[01:28] <djk_> eh, in fact, there's no root account..
[01:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, use sudo instead of su
[01:29] <winblows> as username?
[01:30] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i have quite a few old games, still hoping that i'll find a good old pc on ebay. rather disappointed with the games of today (for example civ4)
[01:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No, I mean instead of using su to gain superuser priviliges use sudo
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Civ4, bad? How come?
[01:31] <raphink> anyone knows how to get options in a bash script ?
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Usually by adding -h or --help or -?
[01:32] <raphink> no I mean
[01:32] <raphink> when making a script
[01:32] <raphink> how do I get options that are entered
[01:32] <raphink> are they numbered or so
[01:32] <raphink> or do I have to grep them in $1 ?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> right...now, how to delete grub...
[01:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Uh, that's abit out of my league, sorry
[01:32] <raphink> ok
[01:33] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: whatever they released as final is a crappy beta.. countless bugs, countless graphics bugs. the game was released a month ago or so, they're already at patch v1.09 which btw causes even more problems
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: So, it's Master of Orion III all over again?
[01:34] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: the game itself has a nice concept, nice features.. but i think they should start coding "Hello World" again...
[01:35] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i've never played Mastre of Orion III :-/
[01:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Just as well. Moo and Moo2 players didn't seem to happy with it
[01:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Still, there have been even buggier games. Ever play Tribes 2? The cumulative patch which includes 15 or so of them is 200 megs big
[01:41] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: there certainly have been buggy games.. and for some odd reason (greed perhaps?) they pump out buggy games for fun these days (fifa2006 being another one)
[01:41] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: civ4 also shipped with outdated and insecure python and zlib libraries
[01:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Agreed. That's why I find myself turning to indie and abandonware games
[01:43] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: me too, abandonware games are great.. ever noticed how there are no manager/adventure games anymore?
[01:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Some years ago, yes. It's all about FPS and strategy games these days. That's why I bought a PS2
[01:44] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: it's rather amusing that the old games had hardly ever any graphic bugs
[01:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Probably because noone rushed anyone at that time
[01:45] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: probably. also seems like the programmers back then cared more about the game
[01:47] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: what specs does your abandonware-pc have?
[01:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Bingo. These days it's all about money. Even piracy was sometimes embraced, like id did when they released doom
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Lessee. Pentium MMX 200 or 266, I can't remember. 96 MB RAM, 5 Gig HDD, Sound Blaster 16 / AWE 32 and some S3 card
[01:49] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: doom..what a game.. doom3 is by far the most overrated shooter in recent history
[01:49] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: the last good shooter was return to castle wolfenstein imho.
[01:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I beg to differ. I've played Halo :P
[01:49] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: hehe, okay, that i didnt play ;)
[01:50] <raphink> osh_: you're around?
[01:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I never did like WW2 or WW1 games. Same weapons, same color palette - brown, green, gray. It gets old quick-
[01:51] <raphink> I've got a v 0.1 of my demerge script ready ;)
[01:51] <raphink> anyone wants to try ?
[01:51] <osh_> raphink: yes
[01:51] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: but doom3 i had to cheat to end the agony of repeating rooms/levels. started cheating in level 13 or 14 hoping it would get better..it didn't. and what brilliant coding it was.. 90%of the screen black. scary innit.
[01:51] <raphink> osh_: wanna try my 0.1 of demerge ?
[01:52] <osh_> raphink: Not now. It's quite late here and I'm off to bed. I'll be around though. Ask me another time. :-)
[01:52] <raphink> ok sure
[01:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I still can't figure out how Gordon Freeman can have a flashlight built into his suit, while the marine in Doom3 has to HOLD his. And in the near future, no lsess
[01:52] <sophie_> djk_: can u image the people who upgraded their system to get the latest video card which renderred 90% black pixels!
[01:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *no less
[01:52] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: pretty much any shooter is the same. i liked dukenukem3d, delta force1+2, hexen, return to castle wolfenstein (best shooter AI i think)
[01:53] <djk_> sophie_: hehe, yea.
[01:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I like the Unreal and System Shock series myself, though the latter isn't exactly a 100% FPS
[01:54] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: oh yeah, the flashlight.. seems like the only purpose it served was so you would actually get attacked, considering that it took some time to change to a weapon.
[01:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Long story short the gaming industry is the pits these days. After the cancelation of the next Sam & Max game, Valve's implementation of their crap Steam system, the Doom3 fiasco and countless other events, I just stopped caring
[01:57] <yannz> :)
[01:57] <yannz> doom3 was a blast. (HAHA)
[01:57] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: do you have win98 or win95 on your old pc? or linux+wine?
[01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Win95
[01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Revision B, whatever that is
[01:59] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i think i stopped caring after C&C generals.
[02:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: That game was a slap in the face. Suddenly C&C didn't play like C&C, but like a Blizzard game. Not that Blizzard games are bad, but there are enough *craft clones as is
[02:02] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i didn't even finish mission 1.
[02:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: The last good strategy game I played was Starcraft. Warcraft III looked nice too, but I like the sci-fi theme better
[02:05] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: a friend of mine won a national starcraft-tournament with his team :)
[02:08] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: do you play something online?
[02:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Mostly atlantik
[02:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I suck at online FPS and RTS games
[02:10] <swtbriar> Ahoy?
[02:10] <swtbriar> Anyone able to uh... tell ubotu to tell me about codecs?  I dunno how his commands work.
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Let's see now
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ubotu: w32 codecs
[02:11] <ubotu> somebody said w32 codecs was binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntu.nl/
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There.
[02:11] <swtbriar> Win!
[02:12] <swtbriar> Thanks
[02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No prob
[02:12] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: never played RTS online, only FPS. isn't atlantik like monopoly?
[02:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Yeah, it's a client for the monopd servers. They let you play classic monopoly, british monopoly and some flavors I've never even heard about
[02:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: People mostly play classic, though
[02:14] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: what's british monopoly? british streetnames?
[02:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Nah, the board's different too. There are two banks instead of one (start), but they each give you half as much money and that's about all I can remember, since I only played it once.  How do I use it?
[02:28] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: tell me what you think of it
[02:28] <raphink> well first install it ;)
[02:28] <raphink> @ your own risk, needless to say
[02:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm past that :P
[02:28] <raphink> haha
[02:29] <raphink> you can isntall it by running
[02:29] <raphink> dpkg -i $package
[02:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> dpkg -i etc etc? Done.
[02:29] <raphink> well then
[02:29] <raphink> you must have a demerge command now
[02:29] <raphink> run
[02:29] <raphink> man demerge
[02:29] <raphink> or
[02:29] <raphink> demerge --help
[02:29] <raphink> :)
[02:29] <raphink> it's not very complete so far
[02:30] <raphink> I've done the man in 2 minutes
[02:30] <raphink> lol
[02:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Okay so, I suppose I need a source tarball now?
[02:31] <raphink> no
[02:31] <raphink> you need sources repos
[02:31] <raphink> which are activated by default
[02:31] <raphink> it doesn't install debs
[02:31] <raphink> it installs using apt-get
[02:31] <raphink> but using sources instead of binaries
[02:31] <raphink> so for example
[02:31] <raphink> if you run
[02:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right. The deb-src repos
[02:32] <raphink> hmm
[02:32] <raphink> demerge konversation
[02:32] <raphink> yep
[02:32] <raphink> it builds in a temporary directory in /tmp
[02:32] <raphink> so don't worry it won't put lots of files all around ;)
[02:32] <raphink> it should be clean ;)
[02:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool, I'll try it. Something else though, because, well... Try /ctcp version on me ;)
[02:33] <raphink> hmmm
[02:33] <raphink> don't get anything
[02:33] <raphink> I guess you blocked it
[02:33] <raphink> ;)
[02:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops. Well, I use konversation :P
[02:34] <raphink> good :)
[02:34] <raphink> that was just an example though
[02:34] <raphink> you can use any program ;)
[02:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I know, I'm downloading kvirc now
[02:34] <raphink> just as long as you have a deb-src repo to find it on
[02:34] <_green-mouse> Hi all, i install Kubuntu from Dapper Flight 1 cd... Now then want upgrade KDE to 3.5, i use "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it not upgrade my KDE, what i need to do?
[02:35] <raphink> _green-mouse: if you can't answer this question alone, then the dapper CD is not for you
[02:35] <raphink> Dapper is not stable yet
[02:35] <raphink> it is still in development
[02:35] <freeflying> _green-mouse: just do apt-get update
[02:36] <_green-mouse> raphink: i have linux expirence....
[02:36] <raphink> freeflying: KDE 3.5 has entered Dapper as main ?
[02:36] <raphink> _green-mouse: fine then ;)
[02:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: This may seem like a noobish question, but why are the deb-src repos there? I've never seen apt use them
[02:36] <freeflying> raphink: some packages is 3.5b now in dapper
[02:36] <raphink> oh nice
[02:37] <_green-mouse> freeflying: not this is not my problem....
[02:37] <raphink> ic Riddell has been working a lot lately again ;)
[02:37] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: they're there to be used as my script does :p
[02:37] <raphink> so you can get them, study them, build them, port them
[02:37] <freeflying> raphink: I do a fresh install of dapper , and count some problems
[02:37] <_green-mouse> raphink: ok, u don whant to help me
[02:38] <raphink> yep freeflying
[02:38] <raphink> I have a dapper install with pbs too
[02:38] <raphink> this is a fresh breezy though
[02:38] <raphink> and I'm not planning to get it to dapper now
[02:38] <raphink> I'll just keep a dapper pbuilder so far ;)
[02:38] <_green-mouse> raphink: just tell if old kde packages works with 3.5?
[02:38] <raphink> _green-mouse: sure
[02:38] <raphink> _green-mouse: what exactly do you want ?
[02:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Not finished with make yet, but so far, I'm impressed
[02:39] <freeflying> raphink: I use daily cd , and now I can not use apt-get to do anything now
[02:39] <raphink> freeflying: argh :(
[02:39] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: what package did you choose ? :)
[02:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: kvirc
[02:39] <raphink> _green-mouse: did you have a look at the KDE 3.5 announcement on kubuntu.org ?
[02:39] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: nice :)
[02:40] <raphink> without the option I guess ;)
[02:40] <raphink> since you might not have a pbuilder installed ;)
[02:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I'm gonna kick its rear off my puter as soon as it's done installing, though ;)
[02:40] <_green-mouse> raphink: yes, why apt kept back my old kde packages?
[02:40] <raphink> did you run a dist-upgrade _green-mouse ?
[02:41] <_green-mouse> raphink: yes
[02:41] <raphink> and it kept some packages ?
[02:41] <_green-mouse> raphink: yes
[02:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: This tool is awesome! This means that I can get some broken packages fixed like Kaffeine by making this baby compile them for me
[02:41] <raphink> then it must be a matter of unmet dependencies
[02:41] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: yep exactly ;)
[02:42] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: and the --pbuilder option will be useful for maintainers to easily check if debian packages can be merged
[02:42] <freeflying>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[02:42] <freeflying> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:42] <freeflying>  cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:42] <freeflying> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:42] <freeflying> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[02:42] <raphink> freeflying: wanna try my new toy on this package ? :)
[02:42] <laszlok> anyone else running dapper?
[02:43] <freeflying> raphink: which one
[02:43] <raphink> I just made a script that I called demerge
[02:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, everyone seems to be trigger-hapy with Dapper already
[02:43] <raphink> I'm uploading it on my repo now
[02:44] <djk_> raphink: ex-gentooer?
[02:44] <raphink> freeflying: it's basically a tool to fetch/build/install deb sources
[02:44] <raphink> djk_: no but what it does just looks like emerge to me
[02:44] <raphink> so I'm giving tribute to it ;)
[02:44] <djk_> hehe. sounds useful :)
[02:44] <freeflying> raphink: let me have a look
[02:45] <raphink> I'll upload it
[02:45] <raphink> give me one minute
[02:45] <freeflying> Setting up cupsys-driver-gimpprint (4.2.7-10) ...
[02:45] <freeflying> No Gimp-Print PPD files to update.
[02:45] <freeflying>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                                dpkg: error processing cupsys-driver-gimpprint (--configure):
[02:45] <freeflying>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[02:45] <freeflying> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:45] <freeflying>  cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:45] <freeflying> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:45] <freeflying> anyone can give  suggestion
[02:45] <raphink> freeflying:
[02:46] <djk_> freeflying: ever wondered what pastebin.com might be?
[02:46] <raphink> deb http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[02:46] <raphink> deb-src http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[02:46] <raphink> that's my own repo
[02:46] <raphink> and (most) packages are built for dapper
[02:46] <raphink> freeflying: get demerge_0.1
[02:48] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: if you add my deb-src repo, you can run `demerge demerge'
[02:48] <raphink> hehe
[02:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: You should get this baby into the normal repos. After a while maybe, who knows? Maybe it'll become another backend for adept?
[02:48] <freeflying> raphink: I can not install anything
[02:48] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: I'll work a bit on it and try to have it in universe first
[02:48] <raphink> freeflying: why?
[02:49] <raphink> freeflying: its just a bin, there's no conf file, nothing but a bin in /usr/bin
[02:49] <raphink> so once tested you can safely remove it
[02:49] <Knowerrors> Anyone here ever use Linspire?
[02:50] <raphink> ...
[02:50] <raphink> o_O
[02:50] <raphink> who dares talking about linspire here?
[02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nope, costs money. And I'm poor
[02:50] <djk_> wasn't linspire once free?
[02:50] <freeflying> raphink: ii need devel packages
[02:50] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: I'm having fun trying `demerge demerge'
[02:50] <raphink> freeflying: ?
[02:51] <raphink> ok well
[02:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: That....me....makes.....hard.......think......GAH!!
[02:51] <raphink> I'm having lots of fun but it's 2:50AM now
[02:51] <raphink> lol
[02:51] <raphink> so I should go to bed
[02:51] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: lol
[02:51] <Knowerrors> I got a free copy
[02:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me too, it's 3 AM already o_O
[02:51] <Knowerrors> they had a special goin on
[02:51] <Knowerrors> its not for me
[02:51] <raphink> Knowerrors: good4you
[02:52] <Knowerrors> but for the Grandfather
[02:52] <raphink> I woudln't use linspire
[02:52] <freeflying> raphink: before use demerge , it need config pbuilder
[02:52] <raphink> even a free copy
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Thanks for a great tool and may I say that I a m honored to be one of the first to try it
[02:52] <raphink> people who treat Debian like a whore like this
[02:52] <raphink> beah
[02:52] <Knowerrors> need a super easy Windows replacement, that I don't have to mess with training him or setup/config
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And I should learn to proofread
[02:52] <raphink> :p
[02:52] <raphink> you are THE first Rogue_Jedi_X ;)
[02:52] <raphink> after myself
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Woo! Go me ;)
[02:52] <raphink> freeflying: you need not pbuilder in order to use demerge
[02:53] <raphink> unless you use the --pbuilder option
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Good night y'all
[02:53] <raphink> use kubuntu Knowerrors
[02:53] <djk_> night Rogue_Jedi_X
[02:53] <raphink> night
[02:53] <raphink> I'm going too
[02:53] <raphink> bubbye
[02:53] <djk_> night raphink
[02:53] <raphink> :)
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nighty night, raphink
[02:54] <Knowerrors> raphink: I do use kubuntu, but Ive been using linux for about a year and know it well, I need a distro for my Grandfathers computer that is ultra easy
[02:54] <Knowerrors> getting Kubuntu all setup for him and training would be a hastle
[02:54] <djk_> Knowerrors: Suse, Fedora, K/ubuntu ?
[02:55] <Knowerrors> tried Suse (1cd install) haven't tried Fedora, too many cds... Kubuntu is ok, but the time involved to download all the extra codecs and plugins over a modem kills it
[02:56] <Knowerrors> dialup that is
[02:56] <Knowerrors> wish there was a Kubuntu Extras CD
[02:56] <djk_> Knowerrors: heh, you'll have to get the codecs for any other distro as well..
[02:56] <Knowerrors> that would make it perfect
[02:57] <Knowerrors> acutally, no, Linspire comes with them all, as does Xandros, being paid distros
[02:57] <Knowerrors> PClinux OS, Mepis, many other freee distros ship with all msfonts, codecs, plugins, whether its Ok or not
[02:57] <Knowerrors> Id pay for a linux distro thats fast like Kubuntu with good community
[02:58] <Knowerrors> if it came pre set up and configured
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hey again all...
[02:58] <Knowerrors> Id like to see Canotical buyup Xandros and Linspire and form a ad-suported version and paid version that was more integrated and setup
[02:59] <Knowerrors> oh, and a Yast like config tool for Debian Id pay for
[02:59] <djk_> Knowerrors: you know you'll have to teach your grandfather anyway.
[02:59] <djk_> Knowerrors: so it shouldn't really matter which distro you use for him
[02:59] <Knowerrors> yeah, Only reason I looked at Linspire was because of all their Flash tutorials that come with it
[03:00] <Knowerrors> and the features of it are very integrated...
[03:00] <Knowerrors> their Lsongs and Lphoto
[03:00] <djk_> Knowerrors: were they different than other flash tutorials? shinier? nicer? flashier?
[03:01] <Knowerrors> I don't know of any other Flash tutorials in Linux ( theyre not about Flash, they are flash movies showing you how to use linspire and all its programs)
[03:01] <djk_> ah..
[03:03] <Knowerrors> Its made for someone who knows windows (my grandfather knows win2000) to migrate them to linux quickly
[03:03] <djk_> Knowerrors: why migrate anyway?
[03:06] <Knowerrors> the copy of win2000 theyre running is a copy of a copy, "borrowed" install
[03:06] <Knowerrors> and the best free software is Linux...
[03:06] <djk_> and you're scared that big billy comes to get you?
[03:06] <Knowerrors> and he wants to do photo editing and artwork, and can't afford to buy all the programs and a new computer with legit WinXP
[03:07] <Knowerrors> not scared :) just getting my moral closet cleaned up a little
[03:07] <djk_> morals..pah ;)
[03:07] <luxoculta> hey guys
[03:09] <Knowerrors> djk_: plus if I tweak his box, I can make it run alot faster than on windows
[03:09] <djk_> Knowerrors: just use whatever will be easier/more comfortable.. I'd pick kubuntu or gentoo
[03:11] <Knowerrors> Ive never used Gentoo, I was looking at RR4 for a while, is Gentoo really as hard (the hardest) Linux to setup and use?
[03:12] <djk_> Knowerrors: as hard as what? gentoo isn't that difficult, but compiling takes some time.
[03:13] <djk_> Knowerrors: then again, any linux is rather simple if you know how to read.
[03:14] <Knowerrors> see, his box is 466mhz, so Id figure compiling stuff on it will take waaaay too long
[03:14] <Knowerrors> for the benfit will not be that great, I assume
[03:15] <luxoculta> guys im having trouble with an ati x300 in kubuntu
[03:16] <luxoculta> can you give m a help
[03:17] <luxoculta> is there any one?
[03:21] <arg|bx> hiyas, anyone awak?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> arg|bx: yes
[03:22] <arg|bx> i'm in the midst of installing kubuntu, it looks like it wants to eat my partition table for dinner
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:22] <arg|bx> hi Hobbsee
[03:22] <Hobbsee> partitioner is fun!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> tried hitting manual partition?
[03:23] <arg|bx> well, i'm not sure what you are referring to
[03:23] <arg|bx> all i need to do is format the partitions and tell the installer what to do with them, as the partitions are already made
[03:23] <arg|bx> but it wants to check and resize every partition (?!)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> there's an option at the bottom, saying manual partition
[03:23] <Hobbsee> you shouldnt need to resize...
[03:24] <arg|bx> let me get the error text
[03:24] <arg|bx> i'm at the "finish partitioning and write changes to the disk" stage
[03:25] <arg|bx> Hobbsee: is the manual parition spot before this?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is, it sounds like you're already in the manual partition section
[03:26] <arg|bx> i'm in 'expert' install, if that gives you a clue
[03:27] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a good cheap place to get PC100 SDRAM?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's a manual partition then, i expect
[03:28] <Hobbsee> why not delete all the partitions and start again?
[03:28] <arg|bx> ok, so i select finish, and it starts flashing up a dialog i can't see, and then stops with a "the ext2 filesystem passed a basic check" box
[03:29] <arg|bx> i do this for each parition until 11, and then it complains about a weird layout, and says that 11 fails the check
[03:29] <arg|bx> i don't delete all the paritions because it would destroy my already installed and working debian installation :)
[03:30] <arg|bx> "not yet implemented. the ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! parted can't resize this (yet)"
[03:31] <arg|bx> so i wonder, why is parted considering this partition for resizing?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah,  i see
[03:34] <arg|bx> is the partitioner actually going to resize partitions i haven't asked it to touch?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> it shouldnt do
[03:36] <drumline> Is there a services manager in Ubuntu similar to the way SUSE does it?
[03:45] <luxoculta> guys is there a linux help channel in irc?
[03:46] <drumline> there's one on freenode, yes.  There's also another one on EFnet.
[03:46] <drumline> do a channel search for "linux"
[03:47] <_rcmn> luxoculta zhat are u looking for exactly ?
[03:48] <luxoculta> i need some help installing and probind ati drivers under kubuntu
[03:48] <luxoculta> in having problems in gameplying
[03:48] <_rcmn> i have time and i hve done it couple time
[03:48] <luxoculta> thanks
[03:49] <luxoculta> i have an amd 64 3000+
[03:49] <luxoculta> an ati x300
[03:49] <_rcmn> arg
[03:49] <_rcmn> ok
[03:49] <luxoculta> kubuntu is i386
[03:50] <_rcmn> i don't know much about proc64
[03:50] <_rcmn> but maybe it won't be too different
[03:50] <luxoculta> and about ati's drivers
[03:50] <_rcmn> iyep i know ati i had to deal with ##! for a long time
[03:51] <luxoculta> im really tired of googling for something
[03:51] <_rcmn> i know
[03:51] <_rcmn> ok so wait a minute
[03:51] <_rcmn> i have to go to an other pc
[03:51] <luxoculta> have you tryied the new installer?
[03:51] <_rcmn> nop
[03:51] <_rcmn> hold on for a sec
[03:52] <luxoculta> ok
[03:52] <madd_matt> i'm new to kubuntu, but i was wondering about apt-get -- i tried apt-get install dnsmasq, but it didn't find a package, does kubuntu not use the same packages as ubuntu?  because i clearly see it listed on packages.ubuntu.com
[03:52] <luxoculta> let me give it a try
[03:52] <rcmn> back
[03:53] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, you'll need to enable universe
[03:53] <rcmn> well on ubuntu it's not that hard
[03:53] <madd_matt> seth_k|lappy: and i do this how?
[03:53] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, open Konsole and type: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, remove 4 # signs, one each from 4 lines that contain the word "universe"
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, then save the file, close kate, and in Konsole type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dnsmasq
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> :)
[03:54] <luxoculta> hey madd matt
[03:55] <luxoculta> i have then in a univers repo
[03:55] <luxoculta> rcmn
[03:55] <luxoculta> do you play games in linux
[03:55] <luxoculta>  ?
[03:56] <rcmn> yep
[03:56] <luxoculta> so tell me about the drivers tweaking
[03:57] <rcmn> http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/ati
[03:57] <rcmn> ok it's in french
[03:57] <madd_matt> this is kinda cool -- kubuntu worked almost completely out of the box.  Mind you, this is the amazement of a former gentoo user.  although the no root user by default thing is somewhat irritating
[03:57] <luxoculta> im portuguse
[03:58] <rcmn> your comming from gentoo also madd_matt
[03:58] <sophie_> madd_matt: if you where able to setup gentoo than kubuntu is going to be like putting gas in a car  compared to rebuilding an engine
[03:58] <rcmn> how do u feel of not having to recompile or troubleshoot every 5 min u're ,change make.conf/
[03:59] <madd_matt> it has been :P  although i'm already itching to recompile my kernel =)
[03:59] <rcmn> freak
[03:59] <rcmn> lol
[04:00] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, no-root is for your own good, but see wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for a better explanation
[04:00] <sophie_> madd_matt: why recompile for 1% performance gain? smaller footprint?
[04:00] <rcmn> luxoculta can u use the howto or not ?
[04:01] <madd_matt> mainly to cut boot time down
[04:02] <madd_matt> loading excess modules etc takes a good 10-20 seconds more
[04:02] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, if you want to cut boot time, change to initNG
[04:02] <sophie_> madd_matt: I rebootabout once a month here so no need for me
[04:02] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=525975
[04:02] <madd_matt> btw, is there a script to save and load IPtables rules automatically?
[04:02] <madd_matt> i only ever reboot to install a new kernel anyways, so i suppose it doesn't matter
[04:04] <luxoculta> i think that i can
[04:06] <rcmn> good
[04:08] <rcmn> hey luxoculta have u look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[04:08] <rcmn> there is info for 64 bit
[04:08] <argonel> what version of the d-i does 5.10 use?
[04:10] <madd_matt> whats the kubuntu recommended way to install the nvidia binary drivers?  do they exist in apt?
[04:10] <madd_matt> also, is there a pretend-install command? so i can see what packages are going to be pulled as dependancies, etc?
[04:11] <drumline> alright... where are services started in ubuntu?
[04:14] <luxoculta> telme something
[04:15] <madd_matt> yo, why is port 631 open on my default configuration? and port 32770?
[04:15] <luxoculta> tel me something  "clavier" means keyboard, right?
[04:15] <rcmn> yep
[04:15] <madd_matt> *has terrible flashbacks to last time somebody spoke french to me
[04:15] <rcmn> but i think i found http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584 that for u
[04:16] <madd_matt> *this morning
[04:16] <rcmn> and there is onfo about 64 bit
[04:16] <rcmn> ha ouai et dans quel circonstance
[04:16] <rcmn> madd_matt
[04:17] <rcmn> lol kjcole
[04:18] <luxoculta> hey im going to try the second one... ok?
[04:19] <madd_matt> in network connections, when i click administrator mode it just goes blank
[04:19] <madd_matt> i think i may have messzored it up by enabling the root account :$ (And then disabling it!)
[04:20] <rcmn> kk
[04:21] <drumline> hey folks.. .does Ubuntu have a SUSE Yast equivalent?
[04:21] <rcmn> apt
[04:22] <drumline> apt does all the things that yast does, including setting network settings?
[04:22] <Knowerrors> no
[04:22] <rcmn> use if u need a gui ADEPT for kDE or synaptic for Gnome
[04:22] <Knowerrors> apt is only package management
[04:22] <sophie_> drumline: apt is for software only
[04:22] <Knowerrors> theres no equivalent hardware setup tool for k/ubuntu
[04:22] <drumline> i thought so.
[04:23] <drumline> ok
[04:23] <Knowerrors> or for Debian... except for what Libranet has
[04:23] <drumline> that's fine...   I'm used to command line anyway...
[04:23] <luxoculta> i ll be back
[04:24] <drumline> Yast had a neat way of managing servers that were running through the GUI.. is there anything like that in Ubuntu?
[04:24] <luxoculta> restarting Xserver
[04:24] <sebastian> hola
[04:24] <rcmn> kk
[04:24] <sebastian> que tal????
[04:24] <sebastian> tengo una pregunta
[04:24] <rcmn> ok vas y
[04:25] <sebastian> a ver si se les ocurre que puede ser
[04:25] <sebastian> resulta que tengo problemas con lo que marca mi temperatura
[04:25] <sophie_> drumline: GUI? what do u mean running server gui
[04:25] <sebastian> se que no es la real
[04:25] <sebastian> me dice que el procesador esta a 70 grados
[04:25] <sebastian> lo cual no es verdad de acuerdo a la bios
[04:25] <drumline> sophie: yeah... that didn't come out right.   In Yast, there is a way to manage running services.
[04:26] <sebastian> pues por lo general esta a 30 grados menos de los que marca
[04:26] <sebastian> alguna idea?? tengo los lm-sensors
[04:26] <sebastian> y ademas, los acp instalados
[04:26] <rcmn> yep sorry i know yast only for pakage management
[04:26] <sebastian> pero ambos marcan la misma temperatura
[04:26] <sophie_> sebastian: do you want to disable services at boot
[04:26] <WolfManz611> does it matter if all partions on the driver were set to primary when doing the install for Kubuntu?
[04:27] <sophie_> drumline: do you want to disable services at boot
[04:27] <drumline> sebastian: necesita un ventilador nuevo
[04:27] <WolfManz611> does it matter if all partitions on the drive were set to primary when doing the install for Kubuntu?
[04:27] <drumline> sophie: I'm curious if there's a GUI method of managing the services.
[04:27] <sophie_> well theres one based on curse for services
[04:27] <drumline> wolf: no.
[04:28] <drumline> wolf: the active partition will be the one that gets booted.
[04:28] <drumline> wolf: there's a flag that is set in the partition table to make 1 partition the active one.
[04:28] <drumline> sophie: cool!  what's it called?
[04:28] <WolfManz611> drumline thanks ok next question i have a ati 9800 pro in this thing are thier drivers for that that i need to install?
[04:29] <sophie_> drumline: give me sec i ofrgot
[04:29] <drumline> wolf: not sure...  usually, there are drivers, so have a look through the website.  :)
[04:29] <sebastian> this problem is not a fan, because the bios say 40C, but lm-sensors 70C, is problem with the sensors
[04:29] <rcmn> wolf:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[04:30] <drumline> sophie: k thx
[04:31] <rcmn> sophie:are utalking of the ksysguard ?
[04:31] <WolfManz611> thanks rcmn
[04:31] <drumline> sophie: One thing that annoyed me with SUSE is that you need to run SUSEconfig after you make a change in the start up services...   That's a little too much for me.
[04:33] <rcmn> drumline : have u look at the system service in the system settings
[04:33] <sophie_> drumline: sysvconfig
[04:34] <drumline> rcmn: system settings?
[04:34] <drumline> sophie: thanks!
[04:34] <rcmn> yep u're using kde
[04:34] <rcmn> kubuntu
[04:34] <sophie_> drumline: systemsettings is graphical and requires x
[04:34] <rcmn> yep
[04:35] <rcmn> it's part of the KDE "suite"
[04:35] <rcmn> lol
[04:35] <drumline> ahh.. there it is
[04:35] <rcmn> yep
[04:35] <sophie_> drumline: you are going to find that very litle needs to be turned off because ubuntu does not install lots of crap compared to redhat and suse
[04:35] <drumline> sweet...  there are some equivalents to YAST.
[04:36] <sophie_> yep kcontrol
[04:36] <drumline> yeah... I just wanted some easy ways to manipulate the settings.  I, of course, want to know the basics behind the scenes, but when administering something, I want to get shit done with a GUI.
[04:36] <sophie_> drumline: what do u want to configure network?
[04:37] <drumline> sweet...  there are system services
[04:37] <rcmn> yep
[04:37] <rcmn> easy to set up
[04:37] <drumline> ok.  My affinity for Ubuntu is growing  :)
[04:37] <rcmn> like win$
[04:38] <rcmn> oupss
[04:38] <drumline> sweet...  and OpenLDAP was automagically added to the list of services...   very nice.
[04:38] <drumline> OK.  I will give this an official try..  thanks folks  :)
[04:39] <drumline> ...and if any of you haven't tried the "joe" text editor, it's a must-have.  :)
[04:42] <sophie_> drumline: try nano
[04:43] <WolfManz611> what do i edit to get the resolution on startup down to 1024 by 768 instead of 1600 by 1200?
[04:46] <sophie_> WolfManz611: i beleibve if you logout kde session and reboot screen resolution is saved
[04:48] <drumline> sophie: I have used pico quite a bit in the past...  I discovered Joe shortly thereafter and it was love  :)
[04:49] <sophie_> drumline: one advatage of joe is syntax higligting wich nano does not have
[04:49] <drumline> pico is pretty much the same as nano, I think.
[04:50] <drumline> Yeah.. .that highlighting is pretty cool
[04:50] <drumline> plus, I'm able to manage multiple files very easily and quickly in joe...  as long as joe is still available, there's no reason to change.
[04:57] <sophie_> drumline: for multiple consolesw with one remote login account have a look at screen
[05:04] <drumline> sophie: oh yeah... screen is awesome
[05:17] <WolfManz611> What would cause me to get DCOP error abouth the DCOP server not running?
[05:17] <drumline> what is a DCOP server?
[05:19] <WolfManz611> beats the hell out of me lol i just know my root password dont seem to be getting me into the login manger so i can change stuff.
[05:19] <drumline> it's refused my root password a few times on the GUI also.  Change your root password to something short and try it.
[05:19] <WolfManz611> This was working about an hour ago and the only thing i have touched was configuring X and then checked to see if the hard drive was working right
[05:19] <WolfManz611> this is short
[05:20] <drumline> change it from the command line and try it again.
[05:20] <WolfManz611> and its not telling me the password is wrong its just not doing anything when it gets t
[05:20] <WolfManz611> it
[05:22] <drumline> it's gotta be a bug.  I'd recommend reporting it to the Ubuntu team so they can get to fixing it quickly.
[05:23] <drumline> just make sure that it actually is a bug and check your caps lock and all the other stupid things that could be done before reporting it  :)
[05:39] <stupendo44> what's the easiest way to combine two large files?
[05:39] <sophie_> stupendo44: how large
[05:39] <drumline> how largE?
[05:39] <stupendo44> 400mb
[05:40] <mpm2> anyone use getmail?
[05:40] <sophie_> stupendo44: use cat
[05:40] <stupendo44> ok, I just saw something about it, I'll try it
[05:41] <drumline> stupen: what did you see?
[05:41] <drumline> man page for split sucks ass
[05:42] <sophie_> stupendo44: cat file1 file2 > newfile
[05:43] <sophie_> stupendo44: did that work
[05:43] <stupendo44> sophie_: appears to have, let me just try it in thunderbird. it was an inbox
[05:43] <drumline> cat will certainly work, but I thought there was a program that specifically had that function.
[05:44] <QMario> How do I use the Linksys WUSB11 for my KUbuntu system?
[05:44] <QMario> !Wireless
[05:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:44] <sophie_> QMario: WUSB works on osx86 so it should work on linux just google
[05:45] <stupendo44> sophie_: woohoo!! it worked
[05:45] <QMario> I found this site, but it doesn't work"
[05:45] <QMario> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Linksys_WUSB11?highlight=%28Linksys%29
[05:45] <QMario> s/"/:
[05:45] <stupendo44> sophie_: you have no idea all I have done for the last few days. It was actually a little dumb to ask here, since I found the answer as soon as you told me
[05:45] <QMario> When I come to the "make" step, I receive errors, but I will take your advice.
[05:45] <stupendo44> with the cat command, does >> append rather than something else?
[05:45] <sophie_> stupendo44: why was your file splited?
[05:46] <stupendo44> had to use a disk editor to recover the file piece by piece. 29 pieces
[05:46] <stupendo44> had to follow the file through the fat
[05:47] <sophie_> cat fil2 >> file1 will append file2 to file1
[05:48] <sophie_> stupendo44: i told u to use cat file1 file2 > newfile to be safe
[05:48] <stupendo44> sophie_: right, obviously I wasn't going to overwrite one of my files
[05:48] <stupendo44> I already have 2 backup copies just in case
[05:49] <stupendo44> wasn't going to make any mistakes this time
[05:49] <stupendo44> it was actually my fault originally. Had a drive hooked up without realizing it, and detroyed the partition table and part of the fat
[05:49] <stupendo44> GetDataBack is what I usually use, but it didn't find the inbox or the address book for some reason
[05:49] <sophie_> but iff you have multipart you can do filec >> fileb >> filea and takes less space and now filea is the comlete file
[05:50] <stupendo44> part of the fat seems to be corrupted, so the disk editor couldn't easily recover the inbox
[05:50] <stupendo44> but all the data was intact, so I was able to follow it through and save each piece
[05:50] <stupendo44> took about an hour, but I didn't know this much about hard drives and fat's. I've learned an awful lot about this stuff over the past few days
[05:51] <sophie_> stupendo44: u usd linux to restore files form a fat partion how ironic
[05:51] <stupendo44> I forgot to recover sent items folder, so I have to go back and do that
[05:52] <stupendo44> sophie_: well, actually I didn't really use linux, I used the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows, because I didn't see a comparable disk editor that I liked for linux
[05:52] <drumline> stupen: I've heard that you can take binary chunks of the raw hard drive data and run it through scanpst.exe and it'll pull out your messages.
[05:52] <stupendo44> maybe I'll have to write one
[05:52] <stupendo44> only if it's outlook. like I would use that...
[05:52] <stupendo44> actually this customer is using thunderbird
[05:53] <stupendo44> I knew the whole file was on the drive because I hadn't really overwritten anything... except a little accident that was partially windows' fault. Somehow it has a need to write the system restore directory to any drive it detects
[05:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi!
[05:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how to install ubuntu in a laptop that don't have a cdrom?
[06:01] <PokerFacePenguin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Network it to a computer that does perhaps?
[06:04] <QMario> Why is it that whenever I click Administration Mode in a System Setting and type in the correct password, I cannot get in?
[06:04] <drumline> is the floppy supposed to auto-mount in ubuntu?
[06:04] <drumline> ...when I access the floppy from media:/
[06:05] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: if the computer can boot over the network (netboot/pxe), then use that method
[06:05] <CarstenP> Tallia1Kubuntu: Has the computer a disk-drive? Boot from floppy, and then Internet - install? I dont know if it is possible, but I could imagine.
[06:06] <QMario> How come I get kicked out of Administration Mode?!
[06:09] <seth_k|lappy> QMario, the fix is in breezy-updates
[06:09] <seth_k|lappy> enable that repo and use Adept Updater
[06:10] <QMario> Seth, the problem is that I am trying to get on the Internet using the Linksys WUSB11, but that doesn't work either.
[06:11] <QMario> I am so angry right now, but I will try to update later in the week. :(
[06:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx
[06:19] <_texas> heya
[06:20] <_texas> trying to set my system clock to 12hour instead of 24 hour any ideas?
[06:24] <drumline> I'm trying to mount a msdos floppy and am having trouble.  I'm using: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/mnt and I get /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device.  fdmount reports: can't access /fd0..
[06:24] <drumline> can somebody correct me on this please?
[06:25] <crimsun> you should be able to just pmount /dev/floppy
[06:25] <drumline> there's no /dev/floppy
[06:25] <crimsun> what's the floppy line in your /etc/fstab?
[06:26] <drumline> /dev/fd0
[06:26] <drumline> pmount /dev/fd0
[06:26] <drumline> mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
[06:27] <drumline> oh brother...
[06:27] <crimsun> then it's just not valid
[06:28] <drumline> heh...
[06:28] <crimsun> don't pass it -t msdos
[06:28] <drumline> holy shit... it worked
[06:28] <drumline> sweet..
[06:28] <drumline> thar she blows
[06:38] <nalioth> drumline: this is not the locker room
[06:39] <drumline> nalioth: not locker room talk :)
[06:40] <nalioth> 23:28 < drumline> holy sh**... it worked     <<<< and this is the vernacular of high society?
[06:41] <drumline> I never claimed to be of high society.
[06:42] <nalioth> !CoC
[06:42] <ubotu> somebody said coc was the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[06:42] <drumline> broken link
[06:43] <drumline> opp.. there it goes
[06:44] <drumline> alright... the COC covers personal attacks.  I wasn't personally attacking.   If you feel threatened, that's another story.
[06:47] <nalioth> drumline: let us leave the locker room talk in the locker room, please
[06:49] <thompa> where is locker room?
[06:50] <thompa> seems the ndiswrapper wont work
[06:50] <drumline> nalioth: I disagree.  Sorry.   I wasn't personally attacking anyone and I was expressing myself.
[06:51] <thompa> i could not boot got kernel panic, luckily i just turned off switch and it booted then i removed it from modules
[06:51] <thompa> so im back to using ipw2200, which only works if battery is fully charged
[06:52] <thompa> do you think this is acpi kernel related?
[06:53] <thompa> if i start out fully charged i have wireless, unplugged even at 100% no wireless
[06:53] <jhealey> yello all
[06:53] <thompa> heippa!
[06:55] <jhealey> anyone have trouble with setting up NFS or filesharing using the GUI in Kubuntu 5.1
[06:56] <thompa> !acpi
[06:56] <ubotu> thompa: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:56] <thompa> should be an entry for that
[06:58] <thompa> jhealey: i had some time ago on ubuntu
[06:59] <thompa> it kept trying to add mshome or something,
[07:00] <thompa> i wish there was some way to tell if this thing is on
[07:00] <thompa> because i have wireless issues
[07:02] <thompa> l3m: was it you who helped me yesterday?
[07:05] <thompa> hello anybody?
[07:06] <thompa> jhealy: you there?
[07:06] <kkathman> hi thompa :)
[07:06] <thompa> thanks
[07:07] <thompa> how can i best tell if im connected
[07:07] <thompa> these guis dont work always
[07:07] <thompa> kwifimanager especially is poor
[07:08] <kkathman> for wifi I dont know
[07:08] <thompa> kkathman: im trying to figure out where to file my bug
[07:09] <thompa> kernel or ubuntu
[07:09] <thompa> but its with all distors using kernel 2.6.10 and above
[07:11] <drumline> thompa: is it a KDE thing?
[07:12] <thompa> its a problem with ipw2200 and power on toshiba m45
[07:12] <thompa> i just want to let someone know
[07:13] <thompa> ive narrowed it down to plugged in 100% i get wireless
[07:13] <drumline> it happens with every linux distro?
[07:14] <thompa> yep every single one except suse 9.3 was working best
[07:14] <drumline> I'd contact the person that is listed at maintaining the source for ipw2200
[07:14] <drumline> should be in the source code
[07:14] <thompa> its all the new kernels
[07:14] <drumline> heck... send a line to Linus  :)
[07:14] <thompa> so is it still the driver?
[07:15] <thompa> ive spent days on this
[07:15] <drumline> it depends...  I'd first contact the folks who maintain that driver.  They probably already know about it and are working on it.
[07:15] <thompa> ok,
[07:15] <drumline> ...and if they don't, then you could be the person that tips them off...
[07:15] <thompa> strange how this notebook is so silent
[07:15] <thompa> no fans nothing
[07:16] <drumline> thinkpad?
[07:16] <thompa> toshiba m45
[07:16] <thompa> and it came with a linux partition
[07:16] <drumline> thompa: have you heard of the solid state drives being made by Samsung?
[07:16] <drumline> oooo... that's cool.
[07:16] <thompa> no codecs needed, plays anything
[07:16] <drumline> beautiful.  Make sure you back up that partition  :)
[07:16] <thompa> its a media player
[07:17] <thompa> comes with disk
[07:17] <drumline> comes with a cd-rom to reinstall it?
[07:17] <thompa> trick is to format the whole thing then install media player, then windowsm then linux
[07:17] <thompa> yep
[07:18] <drumline> nice
[07:18] <drumline> I'll give this kubuntu a try and at the end of a week, I'll make my vicious decision.
[07:18] <thompa> i think its more embedded linux
[07:19] <thompa> i dont mess with it, but it plays everything
[07:19] <drumline> I don't think 'embedded' covers what you have going on.
[07:19] <drumline> it's on the hard drive isn't it?
[07:19] <thompa> im going to let the ipw2200 maintainer know
[07:19] <thompa> yes
[07:19] <drumline> cool..  good man.  :)
[07:20] <thompa> it show up in qparted as a 850MB partition
[07:20] <thompa> battery life is awsome
[07:21] <thompa> ive had it unplugged over 2 hours
[07:21] <thompa> the sony is out battery in like 45 minutes
[07:21] <_texas> ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`. trying to install Nvidia drivers
[07:22] <drumline> ahh.. ok.  Yeah..  "embedded" is a specific term for devices that are prepackaged for specific uses..
[07:22] <drumline> like remote controls...   etc.
[07:22] <drumline> ATM machines
[07:22] <drumline> cell phones
[07:23] <thompa> this model is rare
[07:23] <thompa> they did not have it long, no mention of linux at all
[07:23] <thompa> they replaced it and took out the media player
[07:24] <thompa> the new M45 is missing it
[07:24] <thompa> i think toshiba is putting it in some models to compete with sony
[07:25] <thompa> there might be a liability issue involved also
[07:26] <thompa> drumline: there is an internet button i cant figure out that gets me on firefox
[07:26] <drumline> a hardware inet button?
[07:26] <thompa> yes
[07:27] <thompa> it bypasses the windows log in
[07:27] <thompa> i think its a guest log in
[07:28] <thompa> wont work in linux yet
[07:29] <drumline> doh
[07:29] <thompa> drumline: toshiba even has a link for linux
[07:29] <thompa> sony will void your warrenty if you even mention it
[07:29] <thompa> thye even ask you
[07:31] <thompa> the main toshiba page for support has linux link
[07:31] <thompa> http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_home.jsp
[07:32] <thompa> they say they support linux
[07:32] <thompa> http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/index.htm
[07:33] <Hobbsee> toshiba support linux?  hasnt been much there that i've found
[07:34] <Hobbsee> but, you can get linux to run more or less without problems on this machine at least
[07:34] <thompa> not much, but they want communtiy effort
[07:34] <Hobbsee> mmm
[07:34] <thompa> but why help them
[07:34] <thompa> maybe its misguided a little, dont know
[07:35] <drumline> YAY... My box can finally read 80 gig drives!
[07:35] <thompa> ubuntu has its laptop effort too
[07:35] <thompa> great
[07:36] <drumline> heh...  ancient POS
[07:38] <drumline> man... that's cool... being able to setup a software raid at boot time.
[08:05] <Hobbsee> hey aftertaf
[08:08] <aftertaf> hi Hobbsee  :)
[08:08] <aftertaf> morning ;)
[08:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:15] <Creamier_Oak> hey os2mac
[08:15] <kkathman> kkathman waves back
[08:15] <Creamier_Oak> Hobbsee waves too
[08:17] <os2mac> what's up with wiki.ubuntu.com... it won't let me save my user prefs....
[08:26] <drumline> is it easy to setup a software RAID after the OS is installed?
[08:29] <kkathman> drumline: there is a nice HowTo on that subject...Uncle Google can find it for you...its in the tldp.org storehouse
[08:29] <drumline> thx
[08:29] <kkathman> np
[08:29] <freeflying> anyone use kubuntu dapper
[08:29] <kkathman> Hobbsee IS
[08:30] <nalioth> kkathman: i have it on one of my ibooks
[08:30] <Hobbsee> er, yeah, not this second though
[08:31] <kkathman> nalioth:  my colleague wanted to know how to do a hardware RAID, and it seems linux is a bit stubborn from what I found...it only supports the software kind with any degree of reliability :)
[08:33] <nalioth> linux supports hardware raid cards
[08:34] <kkathman> nalioth:  can you please point me to some links I can send to my colleague?
[08:34] <kkathman> He'd really like to hear that, it was keeping him from going to Linux
[08:34] <thompa> has anybody used any  used any web editors in linux?
[08:35] <nalioth> !hardware
[08:35] <ubotu> hardware is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:35] <thompa> im trying to find an easy on wysiwyg
[08:35] <nalioth> thompa: those can be called "nvu" or "quanta"
[08:35] <thompa> the only reason im on windows is for outlook and web editing
[08:36] <drumline> kkathman: he wants SATA?
[08:36] <thompa> thanks
[08:36] <drumline> doesn't Outlook run on Cross-over office?
[08:36] <thompa> im just going to go to kontact
[08:36] <drumline> kontact is nice
[08:37] <drumline> evolution is too, but kontact appears to have more features
[08:37] <thompa> evolution crashed a few times
[08:37] <thompa> so i got scared
[08:37] <drumline> hmmph.. . that'll do it.  :)
[08:37] <thompa> i could not find a couple emails also
[08:38] <thompa> luckily they where on server
[08:38] <thompa> i like namo web editor though, i wish there was something like that
[08:39] <thompa> is crossover office free?
[08:39] <drumline> thompa: i think it's something like 30 bucks...  cheap for what it delivers.
[08:39] <kkathman> drumline: I think he wants SATA yes... he's using a Winbox now, and apparently you have to do some weird things during install to get RAID to work
[08:39] <drumline> thompa: there's a web editor that is open source...  gimme a sec..
[08:40] <kkathman> web editor?
[08:40] <kkathman> as in a programming tool?
[08:40] <drumline> html
[08:40] <thompa> i may try it, im spending more time on windows removing spyware, norton is awful and does not work,
[08:40] <kkathman> if you want that, get Quanta
[08:40] <drumline> quanta is?
[08:40] <kkathman> its very good...almost like a scaled down Dreamweaver
[08:40] <nalioth> quanta and nvu are wysiwyg html editors
[08:41] <nalioth> also can be used for css php bleh blah
[08:41] <kkathman> yah Quanta is excellent I use it for my business
[08:41] <thompa> if i can save projects on it and save ftp sites
[08:41] <kkathman> thompa: you can
[08:41] <kkathman> but
[08:41] <drumline> nvu.com
[08:41] <kkathman> it doesnt have a built-in FTP
[08:41] <kkathman> you'll need gftp or Kbear
[08:41] <thompa> right ok
[08:42] <thompa> ill look at both
[08:42] <Hobbsee> ooh, kbear or gftp you say....will definetly try them
[08:42] <Hobbsee> !info kbear
[08:42] <ubotu> kbear: (graphical ftp client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-9build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2416 kB, Installed size: 8568 kB
[08:42] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I have been very very pleased with Quanta
[08:42] <drumline> thompa: use the following for spyware.   Spybot 1.4 with the hostfile protection and immunization.   Spyware Blaster.   and Microsoft Antispyware.
[08:42] <kkathman> Hobbsee: KBear is like the KDE version of gftp basically
[08:42] <thompa> i can probably just import all the templates i created
[08:42] <Hobbsee> cool
[08:42] <drumline> thompa: that'll give you good prevention.
[08:43] <thompa> doing spybot just now
[08:43] <kkathman> although I think gftp may support more things, but not sure
[08:43] <thompa> it found that norton internet security was turned off in registry
[08:43] <kkathman> gftp is basically a gnome package
[08:43] <drumline> spybot is free for commercial use...
[08:43] <thompa> who did that?
[08:43] <drumline> Adaware is not free for commercial use
[08:43] <drumline> thompa: a virus may have done it.   Virus writers are targetting Norton more and more
[08:44] <drumline> Avast is a nice AV for windows.
[08:44] <thompa> norton shows no virus, and im sure it should be expired
[08:44] <thompa> but the date is like 3 more months
[08:44] <drumline> download Avast and check it out..  they give you 60 days free trial.   And if you aren't doing any business on the computer, it's free for home use.
[08:45] <thompa> ok
[08:45] <thompa> what about avg?
[08:45] <thompa> ive also got a free eset nod32
[08:45] <drumline> intel just spent some cash to invest in AVG...  It appears to be an effective anti virus also
[08:45] <drumline> Avast has a server market also though...  it looks to be a more polished product.
[08:46] <thompa> it seems like something is playing with my norton settings
[08:46] <drumline> scan the drive as a second drive from another computer
[08:46] <drumline> use hijackthis to examine the start-up entries...   use rootkitrevealer to check your registry..
[08:46] <thompa> drumline: sounds interesting
[08:48] <kkathman> I use kontact all the time..its very nice
[08:48] <pussfeller> they have to find some way of fixing it so dev/dsp doesnt get hogged ever
[08:48] <pussfeller> this is crazy
[08:48] <kkathman> hey pussfeller :)
[08:48] <pussfeller> key kkathman
[08:48] <nalioth> this chat reveals the reason i love linux so much
[08:48] <thompa> well my outlook wont even send recieve mail, every other email has a virus too
[08:48] <pussfeller> up late, or get up early?
[08:48] <kkathman> nalioth:  ?
[08:49] <kkathman> pussfeller: up late...going to bed in a few in fact :)
[08:49] <thompa> all from comcast and bellsouth
[08:49] <nalioth> use hijackthis to examine the start-up entries...   use rootkitrevealer to check your registry..    <<<< linux love means never having to do anything resembling this
[08:49] <thompa> ok ok
[08:49] <thompa> thanks guys
[08:49] <pussfeller> yeah, well, you never have to wonder why yer sound doesnt work in windows
[08:49] <drumline> nalioth: not completely true.   :)   ..but it's a whole lot less likely.
[08:50] <pussfeller> and you dont get viruses in windows unless you do something dumb
[08:50] <pussfeller> like use outlook :)
[08:50] <kkathman> lol
[08:50] <kkathman> true statements
[08:50] <thompa> i have to teach outlook courses lol
[08:50] <drumline> pussfeller: not necessarily.  visiting the a slightly wrong site can land you a virus...   or a hacked site.
[08:50] <pussfeller> or unless your mom uses the computer
[08:50] <pussfeller> it can in ie, yeah
[08:51] <drumline> even in other browsers
[08:51] <nalioth> drumline: i've been running linux since 97, and ditched windows completely in 2000. i've NEVER run anything like that on any of my boxen
[08:51] <pussfeller> i guess it all depends on where you "hang out" on the internet
[08:52] <sincer> hy there
[08:52] <kkathman> night peeps...cya tomorrow :)
[08:52] <pussfeller> night man
[08:52] <sincer> someon can tell me how can I login as root? reinstaled Kubuntu
[08:52] <thompa> well i do like flight simulator, i was in the air force so
[08:52] <thompa> its the only reason i need windows i guess
[08:52] <pussfeller> sincer: give root a password and then you canbe root
[08:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sincer about root
[08:53] <nalioth> pussfeller: please dont do that
[08:53] <pussfeller> what?
[08:53] <drumline> nalioth: well done.  All I'm saying is that just because you use linux doesn't make you immune.   There are rootkits for *n*x computers and there are rootkit hunters for *n*x computers.   And there are instances where kernels are hacked and you cannot tell that you have an intruder.
[08:54] <nalioth> kubuntu has the root account disabled for a reason. sudo (or kdesu for kde graphic programs) serves any purpose you would "become root" to perform
[08:54] <drumline> nalioth: when netstat and ps don't report the intruder, how do you know if you're hacked or not?
[08:54] <pussfeller> you have to watch the traffic to really tell
[08:54] <drumline> oh... heh...  I wondered about the root account being disabled.  Had to visit single user mode to set the password  :)
[08:55] <pussfeller> or delve into arcane memory management stuff
[08:55] <os2mac> drumline; who -u ?
[08:55] <drumline> os2mac?
[08:55] <thompa> has everyone seen this already its really cool http://www.tectonic.co.za/viewr.php?id=731
[08:55] <thompa> the $100 linux laptop
[08:56] <pussfeller> whats with the crank
[08:56] <thompa> sorry know its off topic, just too cool\
[08:56] <thompa> power
[08:56] <os2mac> you asked what to use if you netstat and ps can't find an intruder...
[08:56] <thompa> 1 minute crank 10 minute power
[08:57] <pussfeller> who is just another file that can be overwritten
[08:57] <pussfeller> and probably would be by a root kit
[09:02] <drumline> os2mac: sure... that would be another one...
[09:05] <drumline> dayam... that laptop is awesome thompa
[09:05] <nalioth> raphink: howsy
[09:05] <drumline> thompa: a hand crank-powered linux box
[09:05] <drumline> sign me up
[09:05] <drumline> I'd buy one of those things
[09:06] <thompa> cant be worse than my sony
[09:06] <drumline> that would be so cool...  I hope it has a USB slot.
[09:06] <thompa> too bad about red hat though
[09:07] <thompa> im sure its a stripped down version
[09:07] <drumline> yeah... it had to be a major market player
[09:07] <thompa> probably will have ubuntu on it anyway by then
[09:08] <drumline> who knows :)
[09:09] <thompa> lime green i like that, just crank it for a minute then send some emails
[09:09] <drumline> although, they say it wont be for sale
[09:09] <drumline> it'll be a gov thing
[09:10] <thompa> $200 for public
[09:10] <thompa> $100 for poorkids in Mass.
[09:10] <raphink> argh : :
[09:11] <drumline> oh well.. . I can wait to buy one.
[09:11] <thompa> at the bottom it says mit will be selling them
[09:11] <drumline> ...but only if it has a USB port :)
[09:11] <raphink> what are you guys talking about?
[09:11] <drumline> http://laptop.media.mit.edu/
[09:12] <thompa> MIT has now said they will sell them
[09:12] <raphink> oh the $100 laptops
[09:13] <drumline> How the heck do you reinstall them?
[09:14] <viviersf> im just wondering out of interest
[09:14] <thompa> i think the idea is if you buy it $200 some goes to the non profit or soemthing
[09:14] <viviersf> if using a 686 kernel would be better than running a 386 kernel
[09:14] <viviersf> whats the advantages and disadvantages
[09:15] <drumline> viviersf: are you talking about customizing your kernel?
[09:15] <viviersf> no
[09:15] <viviersf> there are packages for -686 kernels
[09:15] <drumline> i dunno...   what's the difference between the kernels?
[09:16] <viviersf> lol
[09:16] <viviersf> erm 386 = 386 optimized
[09:16] <thompa> it says usb ports galore
[09:16] <viviersf> 686 = i686 optimised
[09:17] <drumline> thompa: yeah...  that must mean 2-3
[09:18] <drumline> wow.. black and white displays
[09:19] <thompa> 1G hard drive
[09:19] <thompa> i remember my 850M i thought that was big
[09:20] <drumline> wow... .apparently, these things have wireless networking.
[09:20] <nalioth> and automatic ad-hoc capabiltiy
[09:20] <drumline> "they will make a mesh network peer-to-peer"
[09:21] <thompa> dual b/w color display
[09:22] <drumline> not bad at all
[09:22] <drumline> I want one
[09:22] <drumline> heh
[09:22] <pussfeller> ok somethings messed up, xine wont play mp3s anymore
[09:22] <drumline> thompa: yeah...  540 meg hard drives..  oh yeah.  :)
[09:23] <drumline> meanwhile... I need to hit the sack..   niter thompa.. everyone
[09:23] <thompa> night
[10:00] <dlausevic|breezy> I'm not having any luck using apt-get recently.  since i installed a proxy daemon through apt-get.  I have since removed it completely and still having a problem.  I get the following error on all servers: Could not connect to localhost:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[10:02] <dlausevic|breezy> i'm having a hell of a time figuring out where the setting is where apt-get is looking at localhost and not directly outwards.
[10:02] <dlausevic|breezy> any hints would be greatly appreciated.
[10:05] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: either the environment variable http_proxy
[10:06] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: or /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:07] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: man apt.conf
[10:07] <dlausevic|breezy> insanekane: in the apt directory, i have apt.conf.d, secring.gpg, sources.list, trustdb.gpg, trusted.gpg...
[10:07] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: ok, so that means the apt.conf was not set (the same for me too)
[10:08] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: check the environment for http_proxy
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> it was running just fine until the stupid proxy daemon scrweed things up.
[10:08] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: env | grep http
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> localhost.
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> http_proxy=http://localhost:
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> HTTP_PROXY=http://localhost:
[10:09] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: export http_proxy=
[10:09] <dlausevic|breezy> beautiful.
[10:09] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: env -u http_proxy; env -u HTTP_PROXY
[10:09] <dlausevic|breezy> it works.  THANK YOU.
[10:10] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: it has also probably entered into your .bashrc or .bash_profile ... so you might want to get rid of it from there
[10:10] <dlausevic|breezy> where would that be? sorry, permanewb.  i'm a x kind of guy.
[10:10] <insanekane> cat ~/.bash_profile
[10:10] <insanekane> cat ~/.bashrc
[10:11] <insanekane> cat ~/.bash_profile | grep http
[10:11] <insanekane> (do same for .bashrc) ..
[10:11] <insanekane> that will tell you if the offending lines are there
[10:11] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: else, you have check in /etc/environment
[10:11] <doblas> hola
[10:11] <insanekane> halu
[10:12] <doblas> alguien habla espaol
[10:12] <insanekane> emm ... no
[10:12] <insanekane> no espaol :)
[10:12] <insanekane> doblas: #ubuntu-es
[10:13] <doblas> ok
[10:13] <doblas> thanks
[10:13] <dlausevic|breezy> thank you very much.
[10:13] <insanekane> np
[10:18] <mornfall> raphink: btw, have you seen apt-build?
[10:18] <raphink> yes I know apt-build mornfall
[10:18] <raphink> :)
[10:18] <mornfall> and the complaints about it? :)
[10:19] <raphink> no complaint
[10:19] <raphink> I just had forgotten about it
[10:19] <mornfall> hmm, i thought you have written a similar tool?
[10:20] <raphink> LOL
[10:20] <mornfall> ah, heh
[10:20] <raphink> and I'm having fun with my script
[10:20] <mornfall> #kubuntu: < Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: You should get this baby into the normal repos. After a while maybe, who knows? Maybe it'll become another backend for adept?
[10:20] <raphink> lol
[10:20] <raphink> adepts lacks something like this for sure
[10:20] <raphink> does apt-build have a pbuilder option?
[10:20] <raphink> ;)
[10:21] <mornfall> huh?
[10:21] <mornfall> how would you imagine adept as a build tool? :-)
[10:22] <raphink> mornfall: have a look at finkcommander
[10:24] <raphink> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64759
[10:24] <raphink> oops sorry
[10:24] <raphink> wrong link
[10:24] <raphink> http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/about/images/inspector.jpg
[10:24] <raphink> there mornfall
[10:26] <raphink> I guess I could add the pbuilder option to apt-build and submit it to upstream ;)
[10:26] <raphink> but I like my small tool too :)
[10:26] <raphink> just added a --no-install option
[10:27] <mornfall> raphink: the screenshot shows a somewhat too complicated menu for my taste :)
[10:27] <raphink> the screenshot shows a useful menu for my taste
[10:27] <raphink> I won't use package manager GUIs until they look like this ;)
[10:27] <raphink> otherwise it's just not worth it imo
[10:29] <raphink> I'll see if I can do something for apt-build :)
[10:29] <raphink> adding some stuff to it ;)
[10:29] <insanekane> mornfall: any updates to adept ? i'm pining for a dependencies view and a file list view ;) Any possibilities to make an easy pinning gui ? (I installed OOo 1.9.116 and apt keeps wanting to upgrade it to 1.9.129) :)
[10:31] <mornfall> raphink: you need to decide if it's a package manager or apt swiss army chainsaw :-)
[10:31] <mornfall> raphink: one can surely make the latter but only few people will want to use it :)
[10:32] <mornfall> insanekane: file list will be interesting for not installed packages... hmh
[10:32] <insanekane> mornfall: yes, for all packages .. not just not-installed :)
[10:33] <insanekane> mornfall: is there a python binding to your lib-ept ?
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: file a wishlist :)
[10:33] <insanekane> mornfall: sure ... where ?
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: libept? nah, and it will be hightly nontrivial
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: libapt-front has one
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: bugs.kde.org
[10:33] <insanekane> hokie
[10:34] <insanekane> mornfall: just want to build an update notifier for KDE via PyKDE
[10:34] <mornfall> insanekane: you can try, adept 2 will have one in c++ :-)
[10:34] <insanekane> haha :)
[10:34] <insanekane> why do people build all these small things in C++ I wonder :)
[10:35] <insanekane> its just much easier to add features if in Python :)
[10:36] <mornfall> insanekane: okey, so we can make a competition and we'll see if you can write an equivalent of adept in python, in 3 months
[10:36] <insanekane> mornfall: im talking about the update notifier ... not adept :) Im sure adept is quite complicated :)
[10:37] <mornfall> insanekane: okey, we can see if you have an update notifier before i do :-)
[10:37] <mornfall> insanekane: my deadline to have a working prototype is 8th of next month (due to adept 1.88 release)
[10:38] <insanekane> mornfall: you are elite C++ programmer ... im still a novice python programmer :)
[10:38] <mornfall> insanekane: (btw, don't forget that python qt+kde bindings will take some 8+ megs of ram resident)
[10:39] <mornfall> whatever, python sucks :-)
[10:39] <insanekane> mornfall: probably true
[10:39] <insanekane> err, ie, probably true that Py takes lot of RAM
[10:39] <insanekane> but python is beautiful .. PyQt even more so :)
[10:39] <mornfall> python is a messy patchwork of bolton features
[10:40] <insanekane> hmm
[10:40] <mornfall> language design 101: look at python and beware the trap
[10:40] <mornfall> rwar?
[10:41] <insanekane> religious war :)
[10:41] <mornfall> (you could put perl in there instead of python, but actually, it isn't that bad)
[10:41] <insanekane> hehe
[10:41] <mornfall> naah =)
[10:41] <mornfall> even if it's fun sometimes
[10:41] <insanekane> k
[10:42] <insanekane> anyway, your adept is really beautiful (even if written in perl ;) )
[10:43] <insanekane> so thanks for it
[10:43] <mornfall> eh perl :p
[10:44] <mornfall> C++ > <very many things>
[10:44] <insanekane> <very many things> ??
[10:44] <mornfall> yes :)
[10:44] <mornfall> including java
[10:44] <mornfall> C
[10:44] <mornfall> python
[10:44] <insanekane> btw, would pinning solve my OOo problem above ?
[10:44] <insanekane> mornfall: oh .. > == greater than ? :)
[10:44] <mornfall> yes :)
[10:44] <mornfall> (to both)
[10:45] <insanekane> mornfall: yes, C++ is cool  especially Qt/C++ :)
[10:45] <insanekane> yes, Java sucks :) I'd rather code in Python
[11:19] <_moss> how do i get latests KDE
[11:19] <_moss> i followed on the site, no luck :/
[11:19] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[11:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[11:20] <_moss> tried that
[11:20] <_moss> no luck
[11:22] <Hobbsee> _moss: what exactly did you try, and what errors did you get?
[11:23] <_moss> i added the deb line /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <_moss> but it dont come up in adept
[11:23] <Hobbsee> no, then you hit refresh in adept, then upgrade
[11:23] <raphink> ok well
[11:23] <raphink> I had a look at apt-build mornfall
[11:23] <Hobbsee> try that :P
[11:23] <_moss> oh ok
[11:23] <_moss> thanks
[11:23] <raphink> and to use it to build with pbuilder I need to do something like
[11:24] <raphink> sudo apt-build --build-command='pbuilder build ../*.dsc' install $package
[11:24] <raphink> which is not so easy ;)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> no, doesnt look anywhere near as easy
[11:25] <raphink> haha
[11:25] <raphink> Hobbsee: the thing is that mornfall pointed out to me (and he is right) that apt-build exists...
[11:26] <Hobbsee> write a shell script for it?
[11:26] <raphink> so my script is kind of obsolete
[11:26] <raphink> yep Hobbsee
[11:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:26] <raphink> http://raphink.free.fr/packages/demerge_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:26] <raphink> that's what I've done yesterday evening
[11:26] <raphink> but well it's not compared to apt-build
[11:26] <raphink> except apt-build doesn't easily let you build in pbuilder
[11:27] <raphink> so I'm wondering if i could just make a script that would call apt-build to build with pbuilder
[11:27] <raphink> or if I should patch apt-build
[11:27] <raphink> instead
[11:27] <Hobbsee> no idea
[11:28] <raphink> hmmm
[11:28] <raphink> on the one hand, it would be much easier for me to make a simple script in bash and call apt-build
[11:28] <raphink> on the other hand, it would be cleaner to just include it in apt-build
[11:29] <Hobbsee> true
[11:29] <Hobbsee> er....yes....i thought this might happen..
[11:30] <raphink> would you find this useful to have this option in apt-build?
[11:30] <osh> Is there some easy way to configure a printer in ubuntu if no desktop is installed?
[11:31] <raphink> hmm
[11:31] <raphink> no idea
[11:32] <Hobbsee> raphink: never used apt-build, so i couldnt tell you
[11:32] <raphink> ok
[11:32] <Hobbsee> what do i do now?  http://pastebin.com/440759  if i say dist-upgrade, it removes most of kde with it...
[11:33] <raphink> hehe
[11:33] <raphink> yeah I know this error
[11:33] <raphink> I'm waiting for it to be fixed before switching to dapper again
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ah right, so i can just ignore it till it gets fixed?
[11:33] <raphink> now why do you say it removes kde ?
[11:33] <raphink> I don't see it removing kde ?
[11:34] <raphink> it says `kept back', not `removed'
[11:34] <Hobbsee> raphink: http://pastebin.com/440763
[11:35] <raphink> so ?
[11:35] <raphink> it says it will remove a few packages
[11:35] <raphink> and UPGRADE the whole KDE ;)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, see this one...
[11:35] <raphink> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:35] <raphink>   adept debtags ksysguard kubuntu-desktop libid3-3.8.3c2 libmusicbrainz2c2
[11:35] <raphink>   libsigc++-2.0-0c2
[11:36] <raphink> that's all that'll be removed
[11:36] <Hobbsee> http://pastebin.com/440766
[11:36] <raphink> it's not so much
[11:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, it isnt, but dependancy hell happens when trying to reinstall kubuntu-desktop again
[11:36] <raphink> haha
[11:36] <raphink> well why do you need kubuntu-desktop anyway?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> and i'm not even going to try and get the pastebin for that
[11:37] <Hobbsee> well, you dont, except for trying to upgrade a lot of the packages
[11:37] <raphink> ic
[11:37] <raphink> well then wait ;)
[11:37] <raphink> or work on fixing it
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i think i'll have to - i was more wondering if there were other solutions
[11:38] <Hobbsee> mmm...dont really know how to do that
[11:38] <Hobbsee> i wasnt coming in here to whine about it, i was more coming in to ask "is there something that i havent thought of here, a way around this thing?"
[11:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ok, will do :)
[11:39] <raphink> hi Riddell
[11:40] <Riddell> hi raphink
[11:40] <raphink> you could give me your opinion on something Riddell ;)
[11:40] <Riddell> I can try
[11:41] <raphink> yesterday, I wanted a simple command to fetch/build/install packages and I had forgotten about apt-build
[11:41] <raphink> so I made a simple bash script to do that
[11:41] <raphink> but then
[11:41] <raphink> in my script, I included a --pbuilder option
[11:41] <raphink> that would build in a chroot instead of building in the system
[11:41] <raphink> and apt-build doesn't have that
[11:41] <raphink> now do you think this would be a useful feature to be included in apt-build?
[11:41] <raphink> or do you think maybe my script could use apt-build instead ;)
[11:42] <Riddell> raphink: why would it be useful?
[11:42] <raphink> Riddell: for example, to have a Debian repository as deb-src and test if packages can be merged in one command ;)
[11:42] <raphink> like
[11:42] <raphink> apt-builder ktorrent
[11:43] <insanekane> raphink: thats a cool thing :)
[11:43] <raphink> and it would get the source package from the Debian repo, build it in pbuilder and install it
[11:43] <Riddell> merged?
[11:43] <raphink> I mean synchronized
[11:43] <raphink> :s
[11:43] <insanekane> i guess he means possibility to upload to ubuntu/debian repository
[11:43] <raphink> to check if the Debian package builds fine in an ubuntu pbuilder
[11:44] <raphink> hmm no insanekane
[11:44] <insanekane> i.e., whether the packages will build and install properly on an otherwise ubuntu-only platform
[11:44] <raphink> yes insanekane
[11:45] <raphink> so far, to do that with apt-build, you need to do something like
[11:45] <raphink> sudo apt-build --build-command='pbuilder build ../*.dsc' install $package
[11:46] <raphink> which is a bit long to type imo ;)
[11:46] <raphink> you can do even longer with apt-get ;)
[11:46] <raphink> like
[11:46] <raphink> apt-get source $package && sudo pbuilder build $package_version
[11:47] <raphink> hmm actually I just saw that the apt-build install won't work with pbuilder since it doesn't generate the package in the right place ;)
[11:47] <raphink> what do you think insanekane ?
[11:51] <raphink> hmmm you think you wanna let me use your nick for a while insanekane ? ;)
[11:54] <insanekane> raphink: its neat :)
[11:54] <raphink> insanekane: did you look at my (very simple) script?
[11:55] <insanekane> nope, but from your description, it is really cool
[11:55] <raphink> have you used apt-build?
[11:55] <raphink> my concern is that apt-build is much stronger than what I can do now
[11:55] <insanekane> raphink: no ... just dpkg-buildpackage
[11:56] <raphink> insanekane: apt-build uses dpkg-buildpackage
[11:56] <raphink> my script doesn't though
[11:56] <raphink> it uses apt-get --build instead
[11:58] <insanekane> oho
[11:59] <insanekane> but the possibilities of your script are apparent ... i could take any deb repository and verify all the packages within it
[12:00] <raphink> yes
[12:01] <insanekane> that should make it much easier for devels who don't want to become debian maintainers ;)
[12:01] <raphink> hehe
[12:02] <raphink> actually I have another idea
[12:02] <raphink> for maintainers
[12:02] <raphink> such a tool could be a bit automatized
[12:02] <raphink> to keep an eye on Debian repositories
[12:02] <raphink> for example
[12:03] <raphink> let's say I maintain packages toto, titi and tata in ubuntu
[12:03] <raphink> and I want to know if there are new versions in Debian
[12:03] <raphink> I could have a list of packages to keep an eye on
[12:03] <insanekane> yep
[12:03] <raphink> and running a command would check if there are new versions and if they build in ubuntu
[12:03] <insanekane> smart idea :)
[12:04] <insanekane> you are using bash script for all this ?
[12:04] <raphink> hmm yes
[12:04] <raphink> :(
[12:04] <insanekane> ok
[12:04] <raphink> I don't know how to program in perl
[12:04] <insanekane> hehe, learn python :)
[12:04] <raphink> I should get to it someday
[12:04] <insanekane> raphink: and ... you already know python :)
[12:04] <raphink> or even python ;)
[12:05] <raphink> no
[12:05] <insanekane> yep you do
[12:05] <raphink> thing is, apt-build is written in perl
[12:05] <raphink> insanekane: how so? ;)
[12:05] <insanekane> oho .. you are going to hack apt-build or make your own script ?
[12:05] <insanekane> raphink: believe me you do ... (i teach python to undergrads)
[12:05] <raphink> I don't know
[12:05] <raphink> I'm not sure hacking apt-build would be a great idea
[12:06] <raphink> because it doesn't seem to be easy to use pbuilder with it
[12:06] <raphink> since apt-build gets the source, cd into it, builds and installs from there
[12:06] <insanekane> yeah ... and verifying your changes would be a pain too so slower commit to upstream
[12:06] <raphink> whereas pbuilder builds in another dir
[12:06] <insanekane> yep
[12:07] <raphink> so it's easier to make a different stuff
[12:07] <raphink> insanekane: would you have a look at what I have so far?
[12:07] <insanekane> why not ... not that i know bash scripting :)
[12:07] <raphink> hehe
[12:07] <raphink> http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[12:07] <raphink> I called it demerge so far ;)
[12:08] <raphink> no need to tell why I guess
[12:08] <insanekane> wow, those are your packages ?
[12:08] <raphink> the packages I maintain
[12:08] <insanekane> whats kenigma ? enigma machine ? or frontend for enigma game ?
[12:08] <raphink> most of them are in REVU waiting to be approved :(
[12:09] <raphink> enigma machine insanekane
[12:09] <insanekane> and ichthux ?
[12:09] <insanekane> cool
[12:09] <raphink> ichthux is a CDD project I have
[12:09] <raphink> of a christian distro based on Debian
[12:09] <insanekane> CDD ?
[12:09] <raphink> Custom Debian Distribution
[12:10] <insanekane> oho ok
[12:10] <raphink> in short, it's a set of metapackages and tasks that allows you to tune your distro easily
[12:10] <raphink> it's a bit stalled lately, but as I'm learning to package better, I hope to get back to it soon
[12:10] <_user> hi
[12:11] <raphink> hi erix
[12:11] <erix> hi
[12:11] <erix> my pinay b d2
[12:11] <raphink> please speak english in here erix
[12:11] <erix> any girls here
[12:11] <Hobbsee> that's irrelevant
[12:12] <Hobbsee> if you're looking to hit on women, you should probably go find another channel
[12:12] <erix> im boy
[12:12] <Hobbsee> if you're looking for help, then you're welcome to ask here
[12:12] <insanekane> raphink: cool
[12:12] <erix> were can i find that channel?
[12:12] <insanekane> erix: #freenode
[12:12] <raphink> not on this server erix
[12:12] <erix> actually this is my first tym hir
[12:12] <raphink> insanekane: LOL
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:12] <erix> thx
[12:12] <erix> tnx
[12:13] <erix> sori
[12:13] <raphink> erix: this is a linux help channel
[12:13] <insanekane> erix: np :)
[12:13] <raphink> and this network is a computer-fans one :p
[12:13] <raphink> go to yahoo chans :p
[12:13] <erix> thanks guys
[12:13] <insanekane> erix: have a nice time
[12:13] <redguy> raphink: you suggest that 'computer-fans' can't be girls?
[12:14] <dipnlik> LOL
[12:14] <Hobbsee> redguy: of course not
[12:14] <raphink> I don't suggest that redguy
[12:14] <raphink> I suggest freenode is not a place for that kind of stuff :p
[12:14] <redguy> just checking
[12:14] <raphink> redguy: lol
[12:14] <raphink> redguy: I wouldn't even think of stating such a thing
[12:14] <Hobbsee> the evidence stands before you on that one, anyway
[12:15] <redguy> raphink: you indirectly impied it :-)
[12:15] <raphink> :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> true
[12:15] <raphink> redguy: you directly interpreted my words
[12:15] <insanekane> you mean literally
[12:16] <raphink> nm
[12:16] <raphink> lol
[12:16] <insanekane> :)
[12:16] <raphink> hehe
[12:17] <Hobbsee> i doubt anyone would admit to being female on here right now anyway...
[12:17] <Hobbsee> computer fan or not...
[12:17] <raphink> not as long as there's a pervert in the room ;)
[12:17] <redguy> :-)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> exactly
[12:18] <redguy> you mean perverts
[12:18] <raphink> huhu
[12:18] <raphink> well as far as I know there's only one person here who came to find a mate
[12:18] <raphink> but maybe there are others hiding
[12:18] <raphink> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> far out...
[12:18] <raphink> that was long minutes
[12:19] <Hobbsee> gotta love people coming in like that...
[12:19] <raphink> lol
[12:20] <raphink> one more out
[12:20] <raphink> (no worry, with such a nick)
[12:20] <raphink> lol
[12:25] <insanekane> hmm, i didnt even know that apt-get had a --build option
[12:26] <insanekane> not that i would use it :)
[12:39] <martinjh99> Morning - Which package do I need for php in Apache1??
[12:40] <martinjh99> Never mind...
[12:40] <martinjh99> Its php4...
[12:45] <osh> What packages do I need to be able to print from my ubuntu? cups? I don't have X installed and would prefer to not have it too.
[12:48] <Juerd_> CUPS would suffice.
[12:48] <Juerd_> It can be managed with text browsers like w3m
[12:48] <raphink> yes cups
[12:49] <Juerd_> Or with any browser on another machine
[12:50] <osh> so, which version of cups? "cups", "cupsys" och "eggcups"?
[12:55] <osh> hmm, cupsys wants to install x-common which is probably not what I want...
[01:02] <martinjh99> How can I fix this???  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/440824
[01:03] <redguy> osh: hmm, cups and foomatic would suffice I think
[01:04] <hunika> hello
[01:04] <martinjh99> hi
[01:08] <raphink> you can use dpkg to force removing martinjh99
[01:12] <martinjh99> dpkg -r -f package ?? Not sure...
[01:15] <raphink> look at the force options in the manpages
[01:16] <tomplast> hi. can anyone tell me why i need to manually get a ip by writing sudo dhclient eth0? my /etc/network/interfaces contains auto eth0
[01:16] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp so it should work, shouldnt it? my connection is of the type ADSL and between the adsl modem and the computer i have a router
[01:17] <tomplast> i want it to get a ip at boot time. i dont want to write sudo dhclient eth0 everytime i boot up :/
[01:19] <tomplast> can anyone help me?
[01:19] <manveru> jkop, hey, join #kubuntu.de
[01:19] <tomplast> i would like to avoid to reinstall kubuntu :/
[01:19] <tomplast> please help, (brb)
[01:19] <manveru> jkop, i mean #kubuntu-de
[01:19] <tomplast> brb
[01:20] <manveru> tomplast, what's your problem?
[01:20] <tomplast> didnt you get the message =?
[01:20] <tomplast> hi. can anyone tell me why i need to manually get a ip by writing sudo dhclient eth0? my /etc/network/interfaces contains auto eth0
[01:20] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp so it should work, shouldnt it? my connection is of the type ADSL and between the adsl modem and the computer i have a router
[01:20] <tomplast> did you get it now?
[01:20] <manveru> well, yeah
[01:20] <manveru> but you know what dhclient does?
[01:21] <tomplast> dynamic ip
[01:21] <tomplast> which i should get from the router
[01:21] <manveru> exactly
[01:21] <tomplast> i dont udnerstand completly here
[01:22] <tomplast> why doesnt it work during boot up but when i write sudo dhclient eth0?
[01:22] <tomplast> isnt the content in /etc/network/interfaces equal?
[01:22] <tomplast> to sudo dhclient eth0?
[01:22] <manveru> hmm
[01:22] <manveru> i doubt that it is parsed
[01:22] <tomplast> wait
[01:22] <manveru> /etc/network/interfaces is deprecated afaik
[01:23] <tomplast> deprecated?
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf?
[01:23] <tomplast> i dont understand that word :$
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> options was, is interfaces now?
[01:23] <manveru> oh :)
[01:23] <tomplast>  =?
[01:23] <manveru> one of them
[01:23] <jkop> moin
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:23] <manveru> jkop, #kubuntu-de
[01:24] <tomplast> k
[01:24] <tomplast> but what should i do to get a ip during boot up =?
[01:24] <tomplast> it worked before
[01:24] <tomplast> but i connect my adsl modem directly to my computer one time for testing
[01:24] <tomplast> connected
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it a standard PCI network card?
[01:24] <tomplast> its a standard network card
[01:25] <tomplast> it has worked before
[01:25] <tomplast> until i connected my adsl modem directly to my computer
[01:25] <tomplast> now i have a router between my computer and the adsl modem once again
[01:25] <tomplast> and its only working if i write sudo dhclient eth0
[01:25] <tomplast> manually :/
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[01:25] <tomplast> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[01:25] <tomplast> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[01:25] <tomplast> # The loopback network interface
[01:25] <tomplast> auto lo
[01:25] <tomplast> iface lo inet loopback
[01:25] <tomplast> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:25] <tomplast> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:25] <tomplast> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can add it to the misc boot script, but that's not ideal
[01:25] <tomplast> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> oi
[01:25] <tomplast> mapping hotplug
[01:25] <tomplast>  script grep
[01:25] <tomplast>  map eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> # The primary network interface
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth1 inet
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> :/
[01:26] <tomplast> why cant # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[01:26] <tomplast> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[01:26] <tomplast> # The loopback network interface
[01:26] <tomplast> auto lo
[01:26] <tomplast> iface lo inet loopback
[01:26] <tomplast> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:26] <tomplast> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:26] <tomplast> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:26] <tomplast> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[01:26] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:26] <tomplast> mapping hotplug
[01:26] <tomplast>  script grep
[01:26] <tomplast>  map eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> # The primary network interface
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth1 inet
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> tomplast: don't flood the channel. especialy not the same shit twicei in a row.
[01:26] <tomplast> :/
[01:26] <tomplast> stupid irc
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[01:26] <tomplast> :xp:
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[01:26] <tomplast> so what should i do :/
[01:26] <tomplast> why isnt it working :/
[01:27] <Hobbsee> !tell tomplast about pastebin!
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> tomplast: it's the user, always ;O
[01:27] <dipnlik> kick kick kick :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> i wish - i dont have ops
[01:27] <tomplast> sorry
[01:27] <Hobbsee> and nalioth_zZz's asleep
[01:27] <tomplast> i didnt know
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:27] <tomplast> :(
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :@
[01:27] <Hobbsee> tomplast: /topic
[01:27] <tomplast> i thought that irc was a bitter clever :/
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope.
[01:27] <tomplast> oki
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a few binary bits
[01:28] <tomplast> so you cant help me or what =?
[01:28] <martinjh99> Which one of the force options to delete a package ??
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> tomplast: I'll just check what you pasted ;)
[01:28] <tomplast> you mean flooded :p
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser>  iface eth1 inet
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and no auto eth1 line
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> try fixing them
[01:28] <tomplast> oki
[01:29] <tomplast> i will
[01:29] <tomplast> thanks :)
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> night all...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> must sleep...
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: what sort of package? what options?
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: :(
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> night
[01:30] <martinjh99> Kaiser see http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/440824
[01:33] <martinjh99> Kaiser if I could get that file it can't find installed it would be a lot easier to remove then...  Its "db_get" Can't find a package that actually installs it on packages.ubuntu ;)
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i see :S
[01:34] <martinjh99> and I've no idea what I did to get it in that state either...  I was removing mysql and phpmyadmin...
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll just try and find it myself :)
[01:34] <martinjh99> OK Cheers
[01:35] <martinjh99> This machine is my small home server you see...  By the way which package for php for Apache1..   Just need the mod-php...
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> just searching
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> libapache-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^ so?
[01:37] <martinjh99> Sounds about right ta!
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[01:38] <martinjh99> Not going to install until I sort the other problem...  Is dh_get part of tools for making debian packages?
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have no idea.
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think it's part of php myself
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: are you using aptitude?
[01:40] <martinjh99> yes..  Is this a prob??  I prefer its dependency handling to apt-get
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-get for this, aptitiude does strange things now and then
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't use aptitude myself, but it does do some things well
[01:41] <martinjh99> Does the same error - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/440840
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. bugger
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you used backports/not offical repositories?
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: does this file exist? -> /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jjesse
[01:43] <jjesse> morning Kamping_Kaiser
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hows it been?
[01:43] <jjesse> been really busy but good and u?
[01:43] <martinjh99> Nope to backports/unofficial - Yes the file does exist.
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. very much the same actualy.
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: try hacking line 12 to remove the refernece ;)
[01:45] <martinjh99> That seems to work!!  Apart from trying to remove /var/www which is a mount point to another partition.
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser>  dpkg -are | --remove | -P | --purge package ... | -a | --pending
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^ martin
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> er.. that's a lowercase R, not 'are'
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;$ auto spelling fixer, *removes*
[01:46] <martinjh99> Heehee
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> r
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[01:47] <martinjh99> Thanks mate!!  It wouldn't have occured to me to hack the file ;)
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. woth a shot
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. i might have actualy helped someone
[02:07] <osh> After I've installed cupsys, I should be able to connect to port 631 and configure printers and stuff, shouldn't I?
[02:08] <osh> Ah, localhost. Now it works. Nevermind.
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol;
[02:14] <martinjh99> How do I stop apache wanting to download a php file instead of parsing it??
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: apache 1.3 or 2?
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.3, of course :|
[02:15] <martinjh99> 1.3
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: i don't have 1.3, but you have to add a line to parse php files in the apache conf
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you restarted apache after installing php?
[02:16] <martinjh99> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php ??
[02:16] <martinjh99> Yes I have restarted apache...
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, IIRC
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use 2 here
[02:16] <apokryphos> Riddell: hey, I thought you mentioned that kde was sticking with automake for kde 4 :/
[02:17] <osh> martinjh99: Do you have an "AddHandler" in your httpd.conf?
[02:17] <martinjh99> Kaiser I might change actually - The only problem doing that is that using home directory public_html dirs doesnt work...
[02:17] <Riddell> apokryphos: it isn't, so I doubt I would have said that
[02:18] <martinjh99> No I do not - Only a commented out example
[02:20] <apokryphos> aha, misread your comment back then. Ok, good to know I was wrong :)
[02:22] <martinjh99> Kaiser - think I have sussed it... ;)  The module is not being loaded at runtime...
[02:23] <martinjh99> Need to add libphp4.so the modules.conf file...
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: wd. I'm supprised though :O
[02:23] <martinjh99> googled for the php docs...  I'm surprised too - I thought that installing the package would do it automatically.
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> but phpmyadmin *shoudl* have removed as well ;)
[02:25] <martinjh99> well yeah - Still wanting to download rather than parse it though...
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you run apt-get -f install (or aptitudes equivialnt) does it need to fix anything?
[02:26] <martinjh99> I think if I follow the php4 docs I should get it installed eventually...
[02:27] <martinjh99> Nothing to fix when doing apt-get -f install
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok then :|
[02:27] <martinjh99> Cheers anyway...
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl with it
[02:29] <martinjh99> Thanks - I'll get there eventually...
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> you seem to be familar with the setup, so it shouldnt be to hard
[02:41] <martinjh99> It seems there is a problem with php4 and apache2 in Ubuntu which is also whats happeining with apache 1 - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41687&highlight=installing+php
[02:42] <martinjh99> It seems to be working now Kaiser thanks!
[03:01] <_carl> Hi, I would like to know what you guys use for mp3 encoding, lame doesn't seem available in repository?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's in multiverse i think
[03:02] <LjL> !info lame
[03:02] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB
[03:02] <_carl> hmm, any alternative to lame in universe?
[03:02] <doctormo> How do you install Apache2 on a kubuntu machine?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> doctormo: sudo apt-get install apache2
[03:03] <LjL> _carl: not sure, as mp3 is a restricted format
[03:03] <LjL> _carl: why not just add multiverse?
[03:03] <_carl> yeah, you 're right...
[03:03] <JakubS_> is there another c++ transition going on (kdelibs4c2 -> kdelibs4c2a) ?
[03:03] <doctormo> LjL, mp3 is propritory
[03:04] <JakubS_> too bad it is also most popular
[03:04] <doctormo> It's popularity makes it unpolicable
[03:04] <doctormo> gtg
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> use ogg
[03:05] <LjL> i'm not sure what you mean, but anyway
[03:05] <LjL> _carl: Kamping_Kaiser is right, use ogg if you can
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> encode to ogg, not mp3
[03:05] <_carl> I would like to use ogg, but my mp3 player use mp3...
[03:06] <LjL> _carl: i see
[03:06] <JakubS_> and kiss goodbye your portable mp3 player
[03:06] <_carl> I just recieved it for my birthday ;)
[03:06] <kkathman> hey there LjL :)
[03:06] <LjL> hi
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> JakubS_: depends on player ;)
[03:06] <JakubS_> they typically support mp3 and wma
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: cool :)
[03:06] <kkathman> howdy Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo kkathman :)
[03:07] <kkathman> cheers!
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[03:07] <kkathman> how are things down under, my friend?
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, not bad. lifes full for me atm. need a break :|
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> just got elected chairman of an nfop
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *nfp
[03:08] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: understand that!! Always a busy time for me toward the end of the year :)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: er. no, busy year ;)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have had no break larger then 3 days all year ;)
[03:09] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I always look at it this way..busy is good, its when things arent so busy you have to worry :)
[03:09] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: will you get some holiday time?
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i leave for Tas on 27th dec.
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> then to linuxconf in january, then home in febuary
[03:10] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: my birthday in fact :)
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> so about 1 month
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman:  :) realy? 27dec?
[03:10] <kkathman> yes sir
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope i can catch you then
[03:11] <kkathman> Tas  = Tasmania ?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:11] <kkathman> wow!!
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> tas=home
[03:11] <kkathman> oh wow I didnt know that!
[03:11] <kkathman> I can honestly say..you are the first Tasmanian I have ever known :)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. why would you ;)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahaha.
[03:11] <kkathman> Exciting day for me :)
[03:12] <kkathman> LOL
[03:12] <_carl> What bitrate should I use to encode my mp3 to have cd quality, do I have to encode in 320 kpbs?
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: there's a population of 440 000 in Tas, so not much chance to meet us ;)
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: over about 192 you cant realy tell
[03:12] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  thats about the size of the town where my son goes to college
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's the whole state
[03:12] <_carl> thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: the state is about 1/2 -> 2/3 the size of great brittian
[03:13] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I see, but if they are all like you...a lively and kind people I must say :)
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: not all, it's like anyware ;)
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> just they tend to mostly be nice down there (untill all the freeking sidenysiders stareted going there *looks at hobsee*)
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> you know hobbsee right?
[03:14] <kkathman> sure
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> shes from sydeny.
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: yeh, sydeny in NSW, VIC bellow NSW, then TAS bellow VIC
[03:16] <kkathman> ahhh well I'm not so embarassed then
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:16] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: so where are you now, if you are going home to Tas
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> and to the side (east) of that is newzealand (which i willprobably move to when Aust becdomes to undemocratic)
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: south Australia
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> go west from NSW and VIC and that's SA
[03:18] <kkathman> Ahh ok...so are you living in SA now, and then just returning back to Tas..or are you on assignment in SA?
[03:18] <creart> isn't it possible to get mplayer with Adept?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i live in SA. I'm only 19 mate, i got moved here by my family when i was 11, now I'm thinking of going back now i finished school
[03:19] <kkathman> creart: yes
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> creart: yeh. it's multiverse
[03:19] <creart> but i believe i enabled all the xtra repositories, but still no mplayer or w32codec?
[03:19] <gsnedders> i
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i wont be going anyware for at least 12 months though, as being chair of theis NFP i have to be here
[03:20] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I see...you are a little younger than my middle child...my daughter...she just turned 21 this past week
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> creart: try pasteing your soruces list to see what your missing
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i work with a bloke, and he said' so how old are you?
[03:20] <kkathman> creart: check your sources.list...be sure its enabled, and then be sure to do a sudo apt-get update
[03:20] <_carl> hmm, although my mp3 player is recognize and mounted (I see it on my kde desktop), amarok complains (Could not find device, please mount it and try again.) ?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i went' 19', and he went 'omg?'
[03:20] <creart> k, ill try that
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm 26 days younger then his oldest girl ;)
[03:21] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: hehe
[03:21] <gsnedders> how much RAM would Kubuntu need to run comfortably on a duron 700mhz?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> gsnedders: 256 would be nice
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> 128 would do
[03:21] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I have much respect for youth..I guess I'm still a kid at heart :)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: check it's trying to mount the right device
[03:22] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, ok
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: your cool, stay that way ;). not many of you
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm  just lucky to now a lot of cool people through IRC
[03:22] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: Its always amazing the people on forums...they are all a cut above
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: yeh, i know, it's amazing. wish i could get there more
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i go there i have a warning about not having posted for a few weeks, every time :|
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lifes just to full
[03:24] <kkathman> exactly Kamping_Kaiser!!
[03:24] <notech> hi guys!
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll have to rebuil that whole scsi setup :|
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi notech :)
[03:25] <notech> i would like to use more my console than kde.. :)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nerd
[03:25] <notech> could someone suggest me some good programs like mp3 player from console,etc..?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;P
[03:25] <kkathman> lol
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> mplayer works ;)
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> what more could you need :P
[03:26] <notech> ahh,ok
[03:26] <notech> i used lynx for www browsing,cool
[03:26] <notech> :)
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> `mplayer songname >/dev/null 2>/dev/null` is all good "D
[03:26] <notech> thank u
[03:26] <creart> damn, still could'nt find mplayer or w32
[03:26] <dipnlik> notech: try links2 -g when possible
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> !w32codecs
[03:26] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[03:26] <notech> -g is for?
[03:27] <dipnlik> notech: and mp3blaster for playing mp3 and others
[03:27] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, I tried "mount /dev/sda1" and "mount /media/RCA_LYRA" and got the same output: Could not find device, please mount it and try again
[03:27] <dipnlik> notech: for graphics. it's links2 in a framebuffer. loads images :)
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> and mpg321 and mpg123
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: i havent used the app your trying, so i cant realy help a lot, but does it have a 'look for device here' option?
[03:28] <notech> something to open msn,irc messenger?
[03:28] <dipnlik> notech: if you're really into console, i strongly suggest the screen program
[03:28] <dipnlik> notech: centericq or bitlbee
[03:28] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, there is aonly a config button to tell the mount and umount command
[03:28] <dipnlik> notech: I use bitlbee, it is a virtal IRC server for talking to IM services :)
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> notech: irssi-text
[03:28] <notech> what is the screen program u are talking about?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: oh
[03:29] <dipnlik> notech: for opening multiple terminals and more, you should google a tutorial
[03:29] <dipnlik> it is better than me tryiong to explaing everything :)
[03:29] <notech> :)
[03:29] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser: sorry
[03:30] <notech> thanx
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.?
[03:31] <guigui> salut tt le monde
[03:31] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks anyway, I'm asking in #amarok
[03:31] <dipnlik> notech: pvt
[03:31] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: we should see you more in #kubuntu-offtopic I think :)
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: good luck
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: you will ;)
[03:31] <guigui> is there any french man? or woman ??
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kubuntu-fr
[03:32] <guigui> ??
[03:32] <kkathman> guigui: thinks there are lots of french men and women...maybe in France
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> guigui: join #Kubuntu-fr
[03:32] <guigui> it's the first time i come .. sorry  :-(
[03:33] <notech> thank u i will try now and let u know if have some probs! see u!
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> guigui: that's ok
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> no need to be sorry
[03:33] <guigui> ok
[03:33] <guigui> could you tell me how the find a frech chatroom??
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> guigui: type `/join #Kubuntu-fr`
[03:34] <guigui> thanks !!
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[03:36] <_carl> is it normal that kubuntu also uses gst for audio? That's the only option I see in amarok
[03:36] <sombra> is there any way of playing M$ games(such as PES5) in linux for free?
[03:37] <guigui> it's me.. (again I know) I don't know how to connect myself ...
[03:37] <guigui> could you explain me...?
[03:37] <guigui> :-)
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaise1> damn drop
[03:40] <guigui> thanks
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaise1> guigui: you managed to get into Kubuntu-fr?
[03:42] <osh> What's the default password in the cups web-gui? Root doesn't quite work as it doesn't have a password and my regular uid doesn't work either. Does cups have it's own passwd-file like webmin or does it look in /etc/passwd.
[03:42] <guigui> i've find the french room thanks !! :-)
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaise1> osh: it's turned off
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaise1> guigui: well done: ) have fun
[03:42] <guigui> :-)
[03:43] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: What's turned off?
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaise1> cups web interface
[03:44] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: Well, there's something there answering. It just won't let me in since I don't have a login/passwd.
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaise1> osh, yes, i know what level of disabled it is ;) use the KDE interface
[03:46] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: Well, that's the thing, I don't have kde installed on that box. Hence the web-gui. ;-)
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaise1> osh: what's installed on it? :|
[03:46] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: the server files. nothing graphical.
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> oh, ok. dunno about that one then ;|
[03:47] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: And cups naturally.
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> sure :)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> i don't remember how to reenable the full featured cups gui
[03:47] <sharket> hello
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> hi sharket
[03:48] <sharket> how can i install plugins for mozilla from linux ?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaise1> same as Windows, unless i m missing something in your question :|
[03:49] <sharket> same ?
[03:49] <sharket> no
[03:49] <kkathman> sharket: you can go to your preferences/plugins and there's a place to allow it to scan for plugins if you already have downloaded them too
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaise1> sharket: what mozilla?
[03:50] <sharket> i can't install same file that i do in windos
[03:50] <sharket> firefox
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaise1> firefox/tbird/browser?
[03:50] <kkathman> yep sure does Kamping_Kaise1
[03:50] <sharket> i saw it kkathman , but it put me in a java page, and that stuff, but i cann't because i use ppc
[03:50] <sharket> is firefox a browser too, right ?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaise1> firefox is onlya browser
[03:51] <sharket> firefox/tbird/browser?
[03:51] <sharket> u said as a different one
[03:51] <sharket> :)
[03:51] <mark---> missing Contacts in Kontact: they disappeared in the last day or so, 300 of them. I reinstalled Kontact but no help. Some data files appear to be in place in /usr/share/apps/kabc. These appear to be vCard format but I can't get them into Contacts. Any suggestions please?
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaise1> sharket: i was wondering what mozilla product :)
[03:52] <sharket> good
[03:52] <sharket> :)
[04:04] <bota> ciao!
[04:06] <sharket> ciao ?
[04:06] <sharket> uh
[04:06] <sharket> ciao means hello
[04:06] <sharket> :S
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> both
[04:07] <LjL> hello *and* bye
[04:07] <sharket> at least in italy people don't say ciao
[04:07] <sharket> :))
[04:07] <LjL> uh? of course we do
[04:07] <sharket> maybe chao...
[04:07] <LjL> err, no
[04:07] <sharket> mmmm not allways
[04:08] <LjL> "chao" is the way you sometimes write it in english, to make it sound right in english
[04:08] <thoreauputic> sharket: in italian ciao is pronounced like chiao in English
[04:08] <sharket> no italian people told me ciao for say goodbye
[04:08] <LjL> but we write it "ciao", though it's pronounced about like "chah-aw"
[04:08] <sharket> wel..
[04:08] <sharket> in estonia people also say chao...
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:09] <LjL> sharket: ciao=hello=bye, informally. formally, you never use ciao, but "buongiorno" (good day), "buona sera" (good evening), etc -- and "arrivederci" (see you)
[04:09] <sharket> or in spain etc
[04:09] <notech> ciao
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> in Australia we say bye
[04:09] <bl3ssing> Hello everyone!
[04:09] <bl3ssing> is there any msconfig command in Linux?
[04:09] <LjL> sharket: ok, but it's an italian word nonetheless :)
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> bhahaha.
[04:09] <LjL> sharket: we say "computer" in italy, but it remains an english word ;)
[04:09] <alerim> hi there
[04:09] <bobbyflinch> hey i need help!!!
[04:09] <sharket> ok don't kill me tutto va benne
[04:09] <sharket> :D
[04:09] <bl3ssing> bobbyflinch, what kind of help do you need? :-)
[04:10] <LjL> sharket: bene ;)
[04:10] <bobbyflinch> i did install kubuntu
[04:10] <notech> kas
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: what do you want to do?
[04:10] <bl3ssing> k ...? and you want to uninstall it? or ...? :-))
[04:10] <bobbyflinch> alright a bunch haha where to start
[04:10] <sharket> i only have heard something in italian from some projects
[04:10] <sharket> just that
[04:10] <sharket> anyway thanks for the aclaration, i was j/k
[04:10] <sharket> :))
[04:10] <bl3ssing> I want to give a command like ... to run my xmms everytime my computer starts ... all the time.
[04:10] <bl3ssing> Kamping_Kaiser,
[04:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:10] <bobbyflinch> ok so how do i get my resultion to like 800x something its on 640
[04:11] <kkathman> bl3ssing: just set up a symlink in your /home/.kde/Autostart
[04:11] <bl3ssing> ok bobbyflinch ... and the prb. is ...?
[04:11] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:11] <bobbyflinch> i did see the option for it but nothing greater than that
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: i don't have KDE, but i remember it has autostart
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah , hter eyou go ;)
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *there you
[04:11] <LjL> sharket: of course, it's ok :)