 Ubuntu 16.04
 Cool. You should try magic-device-tool.
 One moment
 ```sudo snap install magic-device-tool --devmode … magic-device-tool```
 @per_sonne, It is optional, also with some icon sizes... I have to update the icon packs...
 @kz6fittycent, booya!  that's what I'm talking about.  you shouldn't have encouraged me!
 @UniversalSuperBox, Stuck at downloading 40%
 Sounds like you do not actually have a reliable Internet connectoin
 Or you disk is full
 hey... can anyone tell me why The Ubuntu Weekly Update has *absolutely nothing* about UBports in it?  There must be a reason.  I'm trying to find a reason.    Maybe no one reads it except me and it doesn't matter?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Getting 5MB/s
 Bru
 Should i try Ethernet
 FYI, i installed rightnow mdt with your command without any problems in 17.04
 @wayneoutthere, @tsimonq2 please protect us from Wayne's wrath
 :P
 freakin' rights!!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4EABbpQy/file_403.mp4
 He's becoming less understandable. That means we're in for it
 @wayneoutthere, UWN?
 Is your blog on Planet Ubuntu?
 @pooboylinux, Sure. The download servers are definitely fine, so it seems like something on your end
 I'll be happy to include it there
 Cool
 so what are the steps?  @tsimonq2 ?
 1. make blog … 2. tell you?
 On Planet Ubuntu
 Or you can submit articles to include to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- @wayneoutthere
 Just email articles if they don't show up on Planet Ubuntu
 That's if
 oh.  ok cool.  so basically you are the mailman.  And if no one sends you a letter you don't go out looking?
 @wayneoutthere, Not if I don't know where to find it :P
 roger that, mr. Q
 that's not Mister Q!
 @wayneoutthere But yeah, let me know via email or Planet Ubuntu next time and I'll be happy to include stuff
 Here is my draft: … Dear Simon, … We are saving UT. … Please put this into your weekly mailout. … Thank you …  Mr. Out There.
 @wayneoutthere If you guys have published anything in the past three days?
 @tsimonq2, Yes, actually! And we'd love help with QA on our release candidate images! https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/september-2-2017-ubports-community-update-69
 OK I'll put it in there
 But yeah, if anyone wants to contribute to UWN, we badly need new people
 tell me what's needed on the side PM style
 I'll see if I can plug this ...somewhere...audibly
 PM me if you're interested in spending 15-30 mins every weekend writing simple summaries for UWN
 @tsimonq2, If I knew a bit more, I could maybe commit to doing that once a fortnight. Is Gerrit the authorative source of commits? As for a "reference", I've written a few of the LineageOS changelogs (https://lineageos.org). If you're looking for something like that, I sure can help with that.
 Wait....
 That's not what I thought it is lol
 Yep
 Probably not my thing
 I assumed you meant weekly summaries for Ubuntu Phone, not UWN
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 @wayneoutthere, Thanks. Just fighting with the emulator at the moment.🙃
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 WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWelcome, @FortyW
 thank you! :D
 Hi I'm new to all this. How would I go about installing touch on a nexus 5. I have both Ubuntu and win7. Thanks in advance.
 @Scott, Hi there! You can find install instructions on our "Get Ubuntu Touch" page: WWWWW
 uh
 https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 xD
 Been there installed Ubuntu software. Then nothing happened.
 Also it tried to install the Fairphone2 image.
 So, what have you tried to do so far?
 Downloaded the CPT software for the Nexus 5. Double clicked it so software manager would install. Also tried dpkg. When I used that I saw it trying to install the fairphone2 image.
 Hmm. Were you able to try MDT at all? You said you were on Ubuntu, you should be able to use the snap.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: ```sudo snap install magic-device-tool --devmode … magic-device-tool```
 No did not try that.
 Question: does the phone need to be plugged in when you run CPT?
 Like, when you're trying to install? yes.
 Well there lies the problem. I thought you installed CPT first. Then ran the software. And it would tell you to connect the phone.
 Oh, no. That should be fine.
 I meant you need to have the phone plugged in to install Ubuntu Touch on it
 Does CPT handle abd and fastboot or do I have to do that as well?
 It should handle it
 But for maximum sureness, MDT includes everything in the snap. :)
 Thanks. Will download and play🙃
 this is android/lineage OS specific, but why would "./get-prebuilts" not be working for me?  … I have gone BACK through all the steps to set up building a ROM and everything is as suggested. …  (I think this might help me further understand porting UTouch to one of my devices)
 Is the phone already running Lineage?
 it's running CM
 Okay. Do you have root adb access?
 .....yes.....
 Okay. Does TheMuppets have your phone in their repositories?
 no it does not
 Hmm. Who made the Cyanogen port? Maybe they have it.
 I'll reach out to them...
 nm I found them on github
 what am I looking for as far as prebuilts are concerned?
 https://github.com/Schischu/android_device_moto_wingray
 @kz6fittycent, U can extract vendor blobs yourself too
 @kz6fittycent, That's the device. You're looking for android_vendor_moto_wingray
 or android_vendor_moto with a wingray folder
 @UniversalSuperBox, *proprietary
 @The_DarkBeast, Yeah I read SOMEWHERE that it can be extracted directly from the device
 Just need to run 2files
 Oh I don't find your vendor in muppets @kz6fittycent
 We've established those parts already. What 2files need to be run?
 GOT IT!
 https://github.com/Schischu/android_vendor_moto_wingray
 neat
 https://github.com/Schischu/android_vendor_moto_wingray
 Here
 I love random blobs from random places on the internet.
 :P
 So, just DL and extract to the ~/android/system/vendor/cm ??
 @UniversalSuperBox, From the device tree we need to run  … extract-files.sh and setup-makefiles.sh
 yes~ and I love that you guys are willing to help
 @kz6fittycent, Not vendor cm
 @kz6fittycent, Well, it'd be better to put them in your manifest if you know how to do that
 I don't
 Are you porting Halium?
 yourandroiddir/vendor/moto/wingray
 Is where u wanna put it
 no, I am starting with plain old Lineage so I can get a better grip on the syntax and references in Halium
 oh
 Maybe the wrong way of doing it, but as I read Halium stuff, I realize, once again, there are SEVERAL assumptions
 Yeah its good to start with lineage but your trees are pretty old
 Last updated about a year ago
 okay, the extraction and plopping technique didn't work, lol
 Where did you plop
 ~/android/system/vendor/cm
 That isn't the location
 They go in vendor/moto/wingray
 LOL no doubt
 @The_DarkBeast, .
 :)
 Like it says in the repo name
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ChU4lciz/file_404.mp4
 how I feel right now
 Nah
 We've all been there
 I tend to stay there
 I AM from Tennessee and all
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/RFVroxQm/file_405.webp
 See if u see a repo name and don't know where to place it  … Just turn the _ to / so android_vendor_moto_wingray becomes android(yoursourcedir)/vendor/moto/wingray
 Device wringray not found. Attempting to retrieve device repository from LineageOS Github  … Repository for wringray not found in the LineageOS Github repository list. If this is in error, you may need to manually add it to your local_manifests/roomservice.xml.
 @kz6fittycent, Your device tree isn't in a proper location maybe
 Yes, you should have android_device_moto_wingray at device/moto/wingray
 also you spelled wingray wrong
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/u99fGhGU/file_406.mp4
 lol
 I am such a friggin moron!!!!!!!!!!!!
 okay that got me a little further...
 Use the ROOMSERVICE_BRANCHES environment variable to specify a list of fallback branches. … build/core/product_config.mk:249: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "lineage_wingray".  Stop.
 @mariogrip Great work on oxide!!! Starts again. Will try via slimport later...
 @Vijay Kumar, Why I still say GNU/Linux.
 @blendergeek0, I say Linux and Linux kernel.
[03:37] <tgBot> aayushgupta219 was added by: aayushgupta219
 Hi everyone!
 @aayushgupta219, Hey.
 How to build this OS fo4 my device? Same like droid?🤔
 grouper
[04:17] <nfsprodriver[m]> Also in slimport mode new oxide version works great now!!! Good night!
[04:21] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/wXlTVdB6/file_408.jpg
[04:23] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @blendergeek0, ^^
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[04:30] <nfsprodriver[m]> But one thing: In the Browser top bars of websites are hidden behind the tab bar.
[04:30] <nfsprodriver[m]> We may fix some related anchors between webview and UI.
 @ubports_bot
 @aayushgupta219, It's a bot
 Pinging it does abolutly nothing.
 @jcjordyn120, I need help on building this OS for my device
 @aayushgupta219, I know nothing about bulding oses. (I stick to binary android or binary whatever)
 @jcjordyn120, How to run it on my device?🤔
 Idk
 Someone else here does. (Probably)
 @jcjordyn120, Why there are no one else active here?
 I mean developers?
 @aayushgupta219, Because it's probably sleep time or work time in most places
 I know where I am it's midnight.
 Oh! No problem then. I eill go back to my classes the.
 Bye
 @aayushgupta219, Bye
[05:28] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @aayushgupta219  Which device is it?
 @Vijay Kumar, Zenfone 2 Laser aka Z00L
[06:38] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Okay so for that one the Ubuntu touch is not available yet.
[06:39] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> What you will have to do is that .. first make a port of halium
 @Vijay Kumar, Halium?
[06:39] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> https://t.me/halium
 @Vijay Kumar, I want to help to make it available
[06:40] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> And after you get halium working for your device then you can make a port of ubuntu for your device
[06:40] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Join that group
[06:41] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> and ask there if someone is having already working port for your device or not
[06:41] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> some one was working on some asus device i do remember.
[06:42] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> but not sure if it was exact your device.
[06:42] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> but before you start
 @Vijay Kumar, Done
[06:43] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> you need to make sure if lineageOS is available for your device. porting will be only possibe if there is a LineageOS port available for your device based on Android 7.1
 @Vijay Kumar, I got OFFICAL Lineage 14.1 and Unofficaly Lineage 15.
[06:44] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/index.html
[06:44] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @aayushgupta219, thats good
[06:46] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> You can read the doc i shared above. about how to port Halium.
 @Vijay Kumar, Thanks
[06:47] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Welcome :)
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 welcome all !!!
[09:30] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Welcome all, This is where dreams are realized
 @wayneoutthere, 🤣
 OMG hyped! we are reaching 700
 I have a nexus 5 I am in devel and I have changed to the rc channel, I get available update but it does not install it.some problem with the channel
 If you change the channel you should be on latest, no further update necessary
 How did you switch channels?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/03ec5ni0/file_410.jpg
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[10:12] <tgBot> <Jaume Al habla desde el zapatofóno> How about battery life with Ubuntu Touch?
 I have the installed version
 When rebooting the mobile connects automatically to the development channel
 Do not download rc
 @geminis65, Wer still have a bug in this dialog yes ;)
 hey, I was looking at https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/apps/design/index and I saw they've features not actually present in UT. I don't know if they are only mockups but If they aren't we should include them in this os: …  - for example screenshots from the clock app (https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/apps/design/building-blocks/header#header-appearance) have a third section with a timer …  - or the Spinner – loading here
[10:39] <tgBot> https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/apps/design/building-blocks/activity-indicators is very cool …  - https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/apps/design/building-blocks/list-items the contact app with link to Telegram, the screenshot under 'Items in a form' or the Settings app with new design (https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/apps/design/building-blocks/list-items#structure under 'Chevron (optional)') … and lots of other features...
 https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/apps/design/building-blocks/selection-controls here there are very cool radio button, new styled buttons, ...
 Got some doubts. Anyone here to clear them?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Y0o0vvCe/file_415.webp
 Which version of Ubuntu does phone OS runs?
 @aayushgupta219, 15.04
 @Flohack, Shouldn't this would be have reached end of life?🤔
 @aayushgupta219, It is indeed, but we are really struggling to update to 16.04
 You are welcome to help :)
 I am trying to make it support for my device. Just started learning things siince last month.
 @aayushgupta219, Good Luck!
 the 16.04 rootfs is existing but it does not boot well and no apps work
 First I need to port my device
 Yu yureka AO5510
 Once it's up then I may try further
 @hawk_is_here, Go with it Hawk!
 I think it is not supported
 That's why it's taking time
 May be lacking in some documentation
 As I see here that cyanogenmod is not supported
 You know what I mean
 @OhYash, Thank you pal
 CyanogenMod is not supported? … YU started with cyanogenmod. Should be well supported
 @hawk_is_here, Or are you looking for non AOSP porting guide?
 Hi! has somebody managed to configure protonVPN on UT?
 @Flohack, Thank you
 @LarreaMikel, Yes
 the free version?
 Ah no,
 well, but you have done it via the terminal? or in the settings menu?
 95% by the menu + updating manually the conf file for the password bug. See in the list of bug in github ubport.
 thanks!
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 @LarreaMikel, https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/46
 @Vijay Kumar, This is where lives change one device at a time
[14:23] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> :D this is good too
 im just warming up... wait till we hit 700....
[14:45] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Hey, does anyone know a good DAV calendar and contacts sync for ubports?
[14:46] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Is someone working on this? If not I'm willing to try after turning in my thesis.
[14:47] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> If yes, I'd love to help :)
 @Andre Büsgen, Most people are successful with nextcloud...
[14:49] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> I only found an owncloud app on openstore
 It'll still work
[14:50] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Okay I will try it. Thanks👍
[15:00] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @wayneoutthere, 4 more to "come"
 @Vijay Kumar, I don't know guys, maybe I've just had too british grammar formation in school but realizing something is to me connected with having full awareness, not really happening the thing :D like, when the I see "dream are realized", it means for me that I will achieve full awareness of my dreams here :D :D :D  … but that's just for meantime chat :D :D
[16:34] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @thepeter, That should be the tagline for the DreamWorks :D but there too the dreams are not realized but just played out. On screen .though not your dreams but writers dreams. Also @wayneoutthere needs to clarify that. Quote was his creation.
 Translators! Thanks so much for you effort. Here are the top 10 contributors:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/shYmJ9SZ/file_417.png
 @Andre Büsgen, from my recollection... you can use nextcloud..
 @Flohack, How to contribute to translation?
 @aayushgupta219, https://translate.ubports.com
 @Andre Büsgen, this one is super important to me and anyone else in business...
 @Flohack, Thank you.
[16:41] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> @wayneoutthere, To me it's an absolute must have. Without my calendar sync I would've missed meetings often
 @Andre Büsgen, amen.  i'm reliant on calendar sync, but I have a suitecrm with all my contacts which I could access if my phone doesn't have it but the calendar is kind of a deal killer for me....  but I am running old N4 (barely) and not at all missing fake robots so... we suffer how we must
 @Andre Büsgen, Try the infos in the UBport wiki.
 Owncliud sync doesn't sync anymore after update to OTA-2.  Do you have the same experience?
 @jacobmdekker, i don't know because i can't put UBports on my N4 yet :(  I would love to test... it used to work awesome on my N4 with Cannon-Nickels
 I have caldav sync wich sogo and IT sync.
 what  is halium exactly and what it does?
 But I had same problems with ota1. It has been with the script.
 @Flohack, oh I just opened weblate lately just to see how bug delay I have 😱 but that situation will hopefully change soon 😅
 We should add gamification to translate, to encourage all people earn points, stars etc ;)
 @Flohack, hehehe that sport is not for me :) I prefer voleyball 😃😂
[17:36] <tgBot> SoulFreezer was added by: SoulFreezer
 @SoulFreezer, Welcome
 Hi
 3 to go!
 oh should I stay or should I go??? 😁😁😁
 YOU STAY!
 this is a message from UBports: YOU STAY 😆
 @thepeter, I was tinking about leaving too.  just not enough love here
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/SuGk0sD8/file_418.webp
 alright.  fine.
 hehehehehe 😂😂👍 literary LOL 😂😂
 now that we found love what are we gona do .... with it?
 (Sticker, 339x512) https://irc.ubports.com/FpAlqCbS/file_419.webp
 @thepeter, need to share it
 @Flohack, aye aye sir :) (going for those translations then)
 (Photo, 579x576) https://irc.ubports.com/070OAU01/file_421.jpg
 niceeeee
 Hvala
 @thepeter gets 500 Translation Points (TP)
 @Flohack, you are welcome 😀 although hvala is in slovenian and not slovak, still effort is great 😀
 You may spend these on: … (1) Gratitude
 @UniversalSuperBox, hahaha thank you 👍😃
 up for dekko now ... that will be much more difficult 😅
 @thepeter ping me if you find any strings your not sure about. 😊
 @DanChapman, ok for instance when do you use "success" ? it depends on situation how to translate it
 That's shown in the last step of the email account wizard. So it's kind of like "Success" the account was created and synced
 okay
 PLAIN means auth method?
 oh .. will go for PMs probably
[19:49] <tgBot> Txaume was added by: Txaume
 @Txaume, Welcome
[19:58] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @wayneoutthere, 😝😝
 @thepeter, you have killer pop references! high five
 @wayneoutthere, 🖐
 🤛
 🖖
 FYI: Seems that new android devices should have 4.4 kernel  … https://www.linux.com/news/2017/9/android-oreo-adds-linux-kernel-requirements-and-new-hardening-features
 @Flohack, now in the middle of translations I've realised that slovenians uses exactly same wrtting for description of thier language as slovaks ... man aren't the slavic language all as difficult as possible? 😅
 ^^
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 2 hours without a post???  Don't worry everyone, I've got your back(s) … I don't have anything to say (of course) … so... how about this: 698!!!!!!!?????? … I'm going to call my mom and force her to sign up.  You wouldn't let me do it last time...
 @wayneoutthere, would you help me to resolve this error when apply backport patch  … https://pastebin.com/Fay4g47v
 mmmyep, I have no idea what's going on there
 Or what tool that is
 https://pastebin.com/4VfsQ2vn
 @Walid, yeah... I also don't have any idea what's going on there (lol)
 how long would it take me to learn?  That's been on my list for... years
[23:59] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Just finished new translations, hope I will keep my 2. position. The guy from Slovakia @thepeter is quite quick!!! 🙂, Time to sleep. 😴


[00:24] <IdleOne> +t set in -touch
 your os is unstable :[
[01:00] <k1l> last time he was complaining ubuntu did use a old stable weechat version. seems you cant do anything right


[04:03] <levander> Is Component TV Out just something that's very iffy with the nvidia driver?
[04:04] <tritium> No, it's pretty good.
[04:05] <levander> I posted a question about not being able to get it to work on nvnews.net, and all I got was some guy making a joke saying the word "Component" is forbidden on that site.
[04:05] <levander> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102252
[04:05] <tritium> aww
[04:06] <levander> aww is sarcasm?
[04:07] <tritium> No, compassion.
[04:07] <tritium> As in, sorry to hear about what he said.
[04:07] <levander> tritium: Lord knows I need it after fooling with this mess...
[04:08] <tritium> levander: mine was as simple as "TVOutFormat" "COMPONENT" in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:08] <tritium> I also chose others, such as "TVStandard" "HD720p"
[04:08] <tritium> etc.
[04:09] <levander> tritium: I'm about to give up.  You'd think if the nvidia driver knew how to access the HD modes on the TV encoder on this graphics card, that it'd have printed out those modes in Xorg.0.log.
[04:09] <tritium> which card?
[04:09] <levander> Leadtek WinFast a6200
[04:10] <levander> I know it has the modes because the manual that comes with it has a few pages about how to get them to work in Windows.
[04:10] <CofWY> hi everyone, i'm doing my first attempt at setting up mythbuntu, i have an abit-m2hd mobo.  I can't see to get the mythbuntu live cd to start.  I get to the display setting where it warns me about running in low graphic mode, the display is set to 800x600 using generic vesa and it test ok...but then after I click ok, it dumps me at the console, from there what do I do?
[04:10] <levander> CofWY: you can try reconfiguring X to get it to work "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:11] <levander> do that command to try to reconfigure X
[04:11] <CofWY> thank you let me try that
[04:14] <tritium> Sorry, got detached from this screen session when my laptop froze.
[04:15] <levander> tritium: it's a Leadtek WinFast a6200 card I'm working with.
[04:16] <levander> I know it has the modes because the manual that comes with it has a few pages about how to get them to work in Windows.
[04:16] <tritium> levander: ah, okay.
[04:16]  * tritium has a 6150 on-board
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest09> hi... anyone there?
[05:52] <JThundley> we're all bots I'm afraid
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest09> if bots can answer install questions, i'm a bot-lover.
[05:53] <JThundley> input question here
[05:53]  * JThundley moves his arms like a machine
[05:55] <MythbuntuGuest09> i am having trouble with an install... i'm a novice with mythtv.  when i opt for watch TV, i get a blank screen.  i have a video card that has both a VGA and an s-video out, and at this point, i'm just running the vga to my monitor.
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest09> the guide is there, so that part is totally fine.
[05:56] <JThundley> if you get a picture otherwise, the mythtv menu for example, your graphics card is working fine
[05:56] <JThundley> a blank picture when you watch tv means your tv tuner is jacked up
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok... now a question on connectivity...
[05:57] <MythbuntuGuest09> can i run my co-ax from the wall to my tv, in order to not have to bother dealing with the connection from my PC to my TV?  Or must I run from the wall to my card, and watch TV off the video card?
[05:58] <JThundley> lol, yes, you have to do that. think about it
[05:58] <JThundley> if you run the tv cable from the wall to the TV, the computer can't see any tv shows
[05:58] <JThundley> how will it record them?
[05:58] <MythbuntuGuest09> well i would run the tv to the PC.
[05:58] <JThundley> that would get the computer showing up on the TV
[05:59] <JThundley> so you could watch movies that you download
[05:59] <JThundley> but you can't record tv shows without the cable going to the computer
[06:00] <MythbuntuGuest09> well i was thinking wall -> tv -> computer (so the cable would go via tv to PC)
[06:00] <MythbuntuGuest09> but ok fine let's go with your scenario.  so i go wall -> computer -> TV.
[06:00] <JThundley> your tv has cable out?
[06:01] <JThundley> right, that's normal, that's what I've done
[06:01] <MythbuntuGuest09> oh... ok i'll copy you.
[06:02] <MythbuntuGuest09> so you're saying that blank screen means that i likely incorrectly specified my tuner input?
[06:02] <JThundley> or something else is wrong with it
[06:02] <MythbuntuGuest09> i guess then i should take a look at those settings... i'm going to try that...
[06:02] <JThundley> are you sure your tuner is working?
[06:02] <MythbuntuGuest09> how would i know if the tuner is working?
[06:02] <JThundley> you can test your tuner by running mplayer /dev/video0
[06:02] <JThundley> hah, it's like I read your mind
[06:02] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok i'll try that !  ...
[06:06] <JThundley> any luck?
[06:10] <MythbuntuGuest09> nope. so the mplayer trick works fine (i can see tv), but i still get the blank screen from the watch tv menu option.
[06:11] <JThundley> well that's a good thing, it means at least your tuner is working right
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest09> (i'm curious why you are volunteering to answer these questions -- it seems pretty altruistic to me.)
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest09> i am going to take a peak at my input device options... brb
[06:11] <JThundley> well I guess I am
[06:12] <JThundley> that's what I was going to suggest, start messing with all the settings :)
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest09> hmmm so my capture card was incorrectly set to composite 1 instead of tuner 1.
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest09> but after fixing that, i still have the same problem.
[06:15] <JThundley> well since you have /dev/video0 working, you should have the same settings as me
[06:16] <JThundley> let's make sure that your tuner settings are right
[06:16] <JThundley> I think all you have to do is tell it that tuner1 = /dev/video0
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest09> yeah, in the input connections section, that is actually exactly what it says... i'm double-checking this...
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest09> that all looks okay.  could it possibly be a video card issue?  maybe when it tries to do tv on the whole screen it's too much to handle, whereas the mplayer window is just fine?
[06:22] <JThundley> I think mythtv uses stuff similar to mplayer
[06:22] <JThundley> you can easily test this with mplayer though
[06:22] <MythbuntuGuest09> any other ideas?
[06:22] <JThundley> check this out....
[06:26] <JThundley> r i in xv x11 gl ; do mplayer -vo "$i" -fs /dev/video0 ; done
[06:26] <JThundley> for i in...
[06:26] <JThundley> run that, it'll mplayer your tuner 3 times with 3 different video output modes
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest09> that seems to be working fine...
[06:34] <MythbuntuGuest09> although the 3rd resolution led to very choppy video
[06:34] <MythbuntuGuest09> unwatchably choppy
[06:39] <JThundley> yeah, we don't use gl though, don't worry about it
[06:39] <JThundley> xv is the one we use
[06:41] <MythbuntuGuest09> hmmm, i don't know what i should have under capture card setup / card type
[06:41] <MythbuntuGuest09> analog v4L for my haupt pvr-150?
[06:44] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok i see -- mpeg2... maybe that'll fix it... trying...
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest09> yep, that did it... cool!!!! thanks for your help!
[06:51] <JThundley> theeeeere ya go
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok i do have another question though.  i can see tv on my monitor (via VGA), but i still can't get the TV output back to my TV.  I have a video card that has s-video and vga output.  the s-vido one is the one i'm using, but i can't see any signal...
[06:53] <JThundley> you're in luck again, that's my setup
[06:53] <JThundley> the mythtv install was a little wonky detecting my TV
[06:53] <JThundley> so you can do what I did and just throw a new xorg config in there
[06:56] <JThundley> or use that mythbuntu control center thing to detect it, if it works it's easy to use
[06:56] <MythbuntuGuest09> the control center needs to detect my tv?  will this require me removing the vga connector that currently is plugged into my monitor?
[06:57] <MythbuntuGuest09> i've never even heard of xorg.  i'lll try the control center first.
[06:59] <JThundley> the control center can do it all for you
[07:00] <JThundley> xorg is the X window system, the program that gives you graphics and windows and a cursor and stuff
[07:02] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok i haven't yet found where to deal with this from within the control center... still looking...
[07:04] <JThundley> you know what, I don't think it's in there
[07:04] <JThundley> I thought it was
[07:05] <JThundley> are you using an nvidia graphics card?
[07:06] <MythbuntuGuest09> not sure.  what's the way to determine that?
[07:11] <JThundley> lspci | grep -i nv
[07:13] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok it is nvidia
[07:13] <MythbuntuGuest09> GeForce4 mx 420
[07:13] <JThundley> ok, good
[07:13] <JThundley> do me a favor and do this one too: lsmod | grep nvidia
[07:15] <MythbuntuGuest09> nothing with nvidia can be grepped -- lemme browse the lsmod output..
[07:16] <JThundley> if it didn't return anything, you don't have the module loaded
[07:16] <JThundley> so go enable it first, it can be done in the mythbuntu command center
[07:16] <JThundley> in manage proprietary drivers
[07:16] <MythbuntuGuest09> ok ... doing
[07:24] <MythbuntuGuest09> well, i haven't finished yet, but i'm hopeful.  sadly i have to go to bed, but thanks again for your help.  i really appreciate it.
[07:24] <MythbuntuGuest09> tttyl
[07:24] <JThundley> sure thing dude
[09:37] <stevetv> hi :)
[09:38] <stevetv> im having troubles with motion artifacts when watching live tv.. its very annoying
[09:38] <stevetv> and recordings
[09:39] <stevetv> but i dont have the problems using mplayer to watch videos... im guessing my problems are settings related in mythtv .. but ive tried so many combinations of settings im becoming frustrated
[09:40] <stevetv> using bob helps.. but also causes the image to become blurred.. which isnt suitable
[10:34] <stevetv> well.. ill keep playing :)
[12:16] <bjweeks> I'm running the trunk builds repo and the mythtv package is over a month old and it says there is no update. any way to fix this?
[13:10] <directhex|bsp> hmm @ http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1427
[13:10] <directhex|bsp> wonder if colin read my article
[14:43] <cferriby> hello
[14:43] <cferriby> is any one here???
[14:52] <samson--> i'm here!
[14:52] <samson--> up! im up!
[15:54] <MythbuntuGuest92> hello
[16:09] <samson--> hello
[17:05] <MythbuntuGuest68> I have an older WinTV 878 card that Mythbuntu seems to detect alright. Problem is, when I try to "watch live tv" I get a black screen for a few seconds then back to the menu. I watched the output of running "mythtv" from the CLI and it says something about not being able to connect to the socket. Any ideas?
[17:07] <MythbuntuGuest68> I'm guessing this means it can't talk to the card properly but I'm not sure where to go from here.
[17:55] <Balachmar> Hi, mythfilldatabase is complaining about not getting to the url for the program information, but the computer has a internet connection and the webpage does exist and is accessible through firefox
[18:19] <bendailey> Balachmar: proxy?
[18:20] <Balachmar> bendailey: no, not that I know of
[18:21] <bendailey> do you have wget installed?
[18:21] <Balachmar> funny thing is, that urllib.urlopen(url) doesn't work with that url, eventhough I am able to open it in firefox
[18:21] <Balachmar> well, it is a python script
[18:21] <Balachmar> and previously it worked...
[18:22] <Balachmar> wget doesn't work on that url either!
[18:23] <Balachmar> strange... maybe they started blocking automatic downloading... ???
[18:23] <directhex> probably. what's the url?
[18:24] <Balachmar> http://www.tvgids.nl/zoeken/?trefwoord=Titel+of+trefwoord&interval=0&timeslot=&station=114&periode=5&genre=&order=0
[18:25] <directhex> it may well be anti-screen-scraping stuff on their server
[18:25] <bendailey> Balachmar: sorry that you were using the default mythfilldatabase program
[18:26] <Balachmar> bendailey: the default doesn't support epg in the netherlands
[18:27] <bendailey> Balachmar: yep understand and was thoughtful enough to ask where you were
[18:29] <Balachmar> ??
[18:51] <samson--> MythbuntuGuest68: have you tried a 'cat /dev/<video device> > /tmp/outputfile.mpg' for a few seconds and then 'mplayer /tmp/outputfile.mpg' to see if your tuner works without mythtv?
[19:05] <MythbuntuGuest68> Samson, no I haven't tried that. I will asap. Thanks for the info.
[20:12] <Sjors> hi, i'm having trouble connecting from a new frontend system to an existing system (FE+BE). I can connect with mysql (mysql -u mythtv -h <IP_ADDRESS> -p mythtv, where <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP address of my backend system). The problem is that mythfrontend says it cannot connect to the master backend, which is set to <IP_ADDRESS>. Any ideas where to look?
[21:06] <Ava-> guys when I use the default packages for ubuntu fiesty, when I play a dvd or xvid it isn't passing focus for my remote
[21:06] <Ava-> I have to switch to internal player to get it to work
[21:07] <Ava-> I am using the ubuntu frontend.
[21:57] <MythbuntuGuest55> is grub included? dual boot?
[22:00] <pdragon> grub is the bootloader, yes
[22:01] <MythbuntuGuest55> thanks
[22:45] <williammanda> Did the nvidia driver - pink screen issue get resolved?
[23:13] <MythbuntuGuest60> good morning
[23:18] <MythbuntuGuest60> to switch the TV channels i normaly should be able to do this by using the arrow keys? or not?
[23:19] <MythbuntuGuest60> in the program guide  i also can select the channels, but can´t make them active by pressing enter.
[23:20] <MythbuntuGuest60> got 2 analogue TV cards (PCI) working - but there is still the switching problem.
[23:48] <MythbuntuGuest60> bye


[10:21] <AnAnt> Hello, I have a question regarding the latest change in gdm (setting the default theme using an XML file), will this step help to ease branding ?
[10:21] <AnAnt> another thing, isn't it possible to change sound theme for GDM ?
[10:22] <AnAnt> I noticed that /desktop/gnome/sound/theme_name key doesn't work
[10:25] <Brucevdk> Hi mac_v, I installed the Karmic beta yesterday and for the first time figured out that the gconf key menu_have_icons was set to false -- I think your comment "why isnt it a guideline yet and why are these icon changes being made on proposals made by a few? [...] This now seems like a haphazard move , and changes made only on realizing the bugs it causes!" is spot on
[10:25] <Brucevdk> I'm seriously baffled by the choice to go forward with this change without first discussing a guideline and then creating a set of GnomeGoals
[10:26] <Brucevdk> What are you gusy going to do with the Karmic release, change the default back to True?
[10:30] <mac_v> Brucevdk: AFAIK , it was folks from Ubuntu who have pushed for this move ;)  ... so i dont expect the change in default. you could comment on the bug though
[10:31] <Brucevdk> mac_v: I don't understand this move at all and I will most likely be advocating against it, but I'm building a case first
[10:32] <Brucevdk> mac_v: who specifically from the Ubuntu team has been advocating for this move?
[10:33] <mac_v> Brucevdk: i dont agree with the move either. *the* most awkward issue is the panel system and admin menu item , which dont have the icons while the rest of the panel has icons... Humanity is getting bugs because of this! :/  users think that the humanity icon theme doesnt not have the icon and hence not displayed
[10:34] <mac_v> Brucevdk: the folks advocating are mentioned in the initial comments ;)
[10:35] <Brucevdk> mac_v: well it's really suprising people are filing bugs for which really is quite a radical change all of a sudden, users have most definitely trained themselves to focus on the icons and not the words or context/position -- Matthew Paul Thomas states "I think if you tested separate sets of people who had never used Gnome before, overall they would find menu items more quickly without icons than with them. " -- but that's an assumption, nobody
[10:35] <Brucevdk> actually did any usability tests
[10:35] <Brucevdk> uhm I meant "not really surprising"
[10:35] <mac_v> Brucevdk: nope , no tests have been done
[10:36] <Brucevdk> mac_v: and because there isn't a guideline, do you know if this applies to context menus? Because the menu_have_icons certainly removes icons from context menus too, not just application menus
[10:36] <mac_v>  menu_have_icons also controls the context menu
[10:37] <Brucevdk> to be honest, I think it's just somebody's crusade against icons gone one step too far (William Jon McCann?)
[10:39] <mac_v> lol , mccann does a lot of things , but i'm not sure if he was among the advocates
[10:39] <Brucevdk> mac_v: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469 <-- he's the reporter
[10:40] <mac_v> Brucevdk: ah! yes.. forgot about the bgo bug!... i tried arguing against this bug and gave up a long time ago :(
[10:41] <Brucevdk> that's a shame
[10:42] <AnAnt> am I asking in the correct channel ?
[10:43] <Brucevdk> I'm going to work out my case, mac_v do you mind if I ask you some questions about this as I go along?
[10:43] <Brucevdk> AnAnt: what are you asking?
[10:43] <AnAnt> about GDM
[10:43] <Brucevdk> AnAnt: I wasn't here when you asked anything, so you'll have to be a bit clearer
[10:43] <AnAnt> regarding the latest change in gdm (setting the default theme using an XML file), will this help to ease branding ?
[10:43] <mac_v> Brucevdk: shoot
[10:44] <AnAnt> another thing, isn't it possible to change sound theme for GDM ? I noticed that /desktop/gnome/sound/theme_name key doesn't work
[10:46] <mac_v> AnAnt: i dont think it works correctly now ... regarding gdm  , the best folks are pitti/ seb128 / kwwii ... workdays would be better to catch them :)
[10:46] <AnAnt> ok
[11:05] <Brucevdk> mac_v: do you happen to have the links to the Humanity bug reports laying around?
[11:05] <mac_v> Brucevdk: i have duped them to the libgnome bug
[11:06] <Brucevdk> mac_v: link?
[11:06] <mac_v> i think there are atleast 2 from humanity
[11:06] <mac_v> Bug #452513
[11:07] <Brucevdk> mac_v: thanks
[11:07] <mac_v> Brucevdk: Bug #440320
[11:07] <mac_v> np
[11:15] <Brucevdk> mac_v: earlier you stated that one shouldn't expect the default to be changed back, but reallly, why not? It seems even people advocating for change with regards to the application menu do not agree with just setting this configuration value and doing nothing else
[11:16] <mac_v> Brucevdk: i'm not sure which/who's comment you are refering to?
[11:16] <Brucevdk> [11:30:57] <mac_v> Brucevdk: AFAIK , it was folks from Ubuntu who have pushed for this move ;)  ... so i dont expect the change in default. you could comment on the bug though
[11:17] <mac_v> Brucevdk: i mean *who* does not agree?
[11:17] <mac_v> "people advocating"
[11:17] <Brucevdk> mac_v: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469#c14 -- Matthew Paul Thomas
[11:18] <mac_v> Brucevdk: i have quoted that comment in the lp report , see mpt's reply :)
[11:18] <mac_v> in launchpad
[11:18]  * Brucevdk looks
[11:32] <Brucevdk> mac_v: alright, but to me that brings up two things: 1) Are people currently really going around patching apps? and 2) People are working with a guideline that hasn't yet been formalized
[11:34] <Brucevdk> for a project I maintain we will either tell users to set the flag back to True
[11:34] <mac_v> Brucevdk: 1-not many apps are patched because users just turn back the option. 2- https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588668
[11:35] <Brucevdk> mac_v: exactly, this has "epic fail" written all over it
[11:35] <Brucevdk> the argument "see how people like it after a few weeks" is so full of holes, because people will Google and switch the config variable back -- plus there's no infrastructure to see if users eventually like the change
[11:36] <Brucevdk> and in the process, because you've not clearly communicated the change, you will piss of both users and developers
[11:36] <mac_v> Brucevdk: are you subscribed to the desktop / devel Mailing list?
[11:37] <Brucevdk> mac_v: no
[11:37] <Brucevdk> neither Ubuntu's nor Gnome's btw
[11:37] <Brucevdk> btw with "you've" I didn't mean _you_
[11:38] <mac_v> Brucevdk: there you go , i sent a mail regarding the change to the ubuntu mailing lists , most of the devs know about this , not all agree with this hence they dont want to fix it ;)
[11:38] <mac_v> Brucevdk: yeah  , i got that 'you'  didnt mean me :)
[11:38] <Brucevdk> :-)
[11:39] <Brucevdk> mac_v: well, the way I'd proceed is by setting always-show-icons flag for every icon in my application to True
[11:39] <Brucevdk> which is actually what I'm going to do right now
[11:39] <Brucevdk> gotta head off those bug reports
[11:39] <mac_v> Brucevdk: exactly! , that is what i would say would be the best way  :)
[11:40] <mac_v> then all icons will be shown
[11:40] <mac_v> Brucevdk: and the gnome guys will again keep scratching their heads how to prevent this ;p
[11:41] <Brucevdk> mac_v: we can only hope that the ability to add icons to menuitems won't be removed from GTK (that was actually mentioned in the report)
[11:42] <mac_v> Brucevdk: the good thing is not all agree with this change so it would be a bit tough to "remove" the option
[12:40] <Brucevdk> mac_v: does mpt show up here from time to time?
[12:42] <mac_v> Brucevdk: on workdays
[12:42] <Brucevdk> alright
[12:43] <Brucevdk> mac_v: I was talking with andreasn in #gnome-hacker and he states they've actually done some usability research with test subjects on the matter of the menu item icons
[12:43] <mac_v> andreasn: really ?  ;p
[12:45] <andreasn> not on that specifically, but I asked mpt if he had observed that the lack of icons in the shutdown menu made it harder to use in his UI tests
[12:45] <andreasn> but he had not seen any indications on that
[12:46] <mac_v> andreasn: actually ubuntu hasnt done any tests specifically for this...
[12:46] <mac_v> to do a test there needs to be a control and a test
[12:46] <andreasn> mac_v, ok
[12:47] <mac_v> nothing of the sort was done and it probably was mpt's observations that users dont seem to matter
[12:47] <mac_v> *users dont seem to care for the icons
[12:48] <andreasn> right
[12:50] <mac_v> Brucevdk: andreasn: for a new user running these tests is just an examiner's bias , since the new user will always read before using the option , so this does not affect new users much but to the regular user this is a draw back.
[12:50] <Brucevdk> mac_v: agreed
[12:53] <andreasn> my main motivation for the change was that I think it results in a more clean looking (as opposed to cute) appearance
[12:54] <andreasn> but I respect if others don't like the change
[12:54] <mac_v> andreasn: i agree that there needs to be a clean up of sorts , but not a complete removal of icons , ..... arrangement the options with icons /options with radio buttons/ those without icons
[12:55] <mac_v> arrange*
[12:55] <mac_v> some icons help
[12:55] <Brucevdk> wouldn't it have been better to keep the default as it was and proceed by creating a guideline and then setting a GnomeGoal?
[12:56] <mac_v> keep the really good icons and and see which dont convey a quick meaning and remove those
[12:56] <mac_v> Brucevdk: +1
[12:57] <Brucevdk> In the end I don't think the discussion should be about icons so much as it should be about whether or not the application menu is really useful
[12:57] <Brucevdk> I thought Michael Monreal made a good point about the use of application menus in general "In all those years I think I have used exactly *two* menu items in evolution: Preferences and the Filter manager." (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469#c9)
[12:58] <mac_v> andreasn: as long as there is an option to revert to displaying the icons , i'm happy :)  gnome3 will also carry the gconf option right?
[13:00] <andreasn> mac_v, as far as I know
[13:00] <mac_v> \o/
[13:01] <mac_v> Brucevdk: yeah , i recently migrated from thunderbird to evolution and all the options in the drop down really make me dizzy :/
[13:02] <andreasn> indeed, evo have a lot of odd things in the menus, so does thunderbird :)
[13:03] <mac_v> i really dont understand the point of "Hide deleted messages" option!
[13:03] <andreasn> lots of things that are there for historical reasons etc.
[13:04] <andreasn> mac_v, could it be some pop-thing perhaps?
[13:06] <mac_v> not sure , but even so , why is the deleted message displayed in the folder and again in the trash! , it could have just been > delete moves the message to trash , and no need for that option ;)
[13:06]  * mac_v prefers POP3 more than IMAP :)
[13:07] <andreasn> cleaning up Evo's menus would be nice, but I really don't want to fight that fight. This menu-icon-discussion have been tiring enough
[13:07] <mac_v> lol
[13:07] <andreasn> in general it seems that adding things are easy, removing things is, well, slightly harder
[13:25] <mac_v> andreasn: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.28/ , shows all images with the icons=true ;) this is a bit misleading
[13:25] <andreasn> oh, crap :/
[13:26] <andreasn> mac_v, I've noticed that you have used monocrome icons in the notification area, do you think there are other parts of the system where we could make use of monocrome icons as well?
[13:30] <mac_v> andreasn: hmm , havent given it much thought , but the notify-osd icons are also greyscale ... off the top of my head , i could say the clock[not an icon per-se] in the drop down could be monochrome...
[13:31] <andreasn> yeah, that could look good
[13:33] <andreasn> what do you think about the -symbolic part that mpt suggested (somewhere that I can't remember)
[13:34] <mac_v> ah , it was in an lp bug report..
[13:35] <andreasn> I wonder if it would be a good thing to try to push for the next 6 months
[13:35] <mac_v> andreasn: did you mean this > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/433858/comments/3
[13:36] <andreasn> yes
[13:37] <andreasn> jon mccann said he might be able to code it
[13:37] <andreasn> but only maybe, do you know someone who could do it?
[13:40] <mac_v> andreasn: i didnt understand how it is supposed to work... is it the icon is created in a specific color , but the code checks the panel color and adjusts the color of the icon accordingly ?
[13:41] <mac_v> or the proposed idea
[13:43] <andreasn> if I understood it correctly, some code in the panel would say "draw these in this color"
[13:43] <andreasn> and that could be, say, the text color
[13:43] <mac_v> andreasn: interesting idea , it would be awesome
[13:44] <mac_v> damn! if that had existed , i wouldnt have had to do two icon colors! for humanity :/
[13:45] <andreasn> yeah
[14:01] <mac_v> andreasn: other locations where monochrome icons could be used are the arrows in apps as mpt mentions[though the monochrome arrow in the software center would not seem ideal choice,IMO ] , also the check-marks some apps use to say working correctly or correct entry... and we could use the red '!' or 'x' for wrong entry.. or the search icon in the text entry ... any icon where the user cant interact
[14:04] <mac_v> we could create a guideline , > if it is not a button or an option which user can select, icon used must be the -symbolic icon
[14:05] <mac_v> so for the text entry the search icon can be monochrome and the clear icon being color would indicate the interaction available in the color icon
[14:05] <mac_v> while the search icon is just a placeholder
[14:07] <andreasn> that could work, good ideas
[14:12] <mac_v> andreasn: like the sound preferences , that uses icons volume-low and volume-high, but the icons are not interactive , while the area in-between them [slider] allows interaction ... so these icons could just be -symbolic icons
[14:14] <mac_v> that would take the attention out of the icons and force the user's the attention more on the slider
[14:14] <andreasn> indeed
[16:26] <mac_v> dobey: kwwii: something for the xdg naming specs ;) > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/433858/comments/3
[18:25] <dobey> mac_v: ugh
[18:33] <mac_v> dobey: lol.. ;p
[18:37] <mac_v> dobey: you dont like the idea?
[18:39] <dobey> mac_v: indeed i don't
[18:40] <mac_v> ;)
[20:23] <dobey> blogging is hard
[23:45] <kklimonda> Hmm.. I'd like to get bug 444005 uploaded as an update before release, any sponsors? This upload fixes two crashes, a potential data loss and a minor configuration issue for universe package (transmission-daemon)
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - you might have more luck in the morning when there are some more people around ;)
[23:47] <kklimonda> I know, but I'm not sure whenever I'll be here tomorrow in the morning :)