[01:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if bshumate's connection was really reset by beer :-)
[01:06] <LaserJock> I guess a drunk ISP could be to blame
[01:07] <Burgwork> can I reset my connection with beer?
[01:07] <LaserJock> if you have enough I'm sure ;-)
[01:07] <Burgwork> glad this week is over
[01:08] <Burgwork> but next week I go to Toronto, ugh
[02:25] <[Alpha] > Helppppppppppppppppppppppp with an old bios
[02:27] <LaserJock> [Alpha] : this isn't a support channel, you should try #ubuntu
[02:31] <Burgwork> there, that might be clearer than doc team
[02:31] <Burgwork> not that anybody reads topics anyway
[03:19] <LaserJock> bustacap: do you think the UDSF meeting agenda sounds neutral enough?
[03:29] <bustacap> LaserJock, haha word travels quickly
[03:29] <bustacap> well, is that a trick question? :)
[03:30] <bustacap> it is an agenda for discussion, and an agenda that can be added to..
[03:32] <bustacap> LaserJock, I have changed a line on the page to now read: "The agenda is open to be added to and edited freely by anyone."
[03:34] <bustacap> I am having a breather for a while, I'll check up on the situation later from my UG meeting tonight
[03:54] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[03:54] <jsgotangco> hey LaserJock
[03:54] <jsgotangco> so how did the meeting go?
[03:55] <LaserJock> umm, ok  I guess. I'm used to MOTU meetings so it was pretty quick
[03:55] <jsgotangco> ah not so much on agenda i guess :/
[03:55] <LaserJock> we talked about changing the C locale to en
[04:01] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: we need more controversy so our meetings last for hours like the MOTU meetings do ;-)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> heh we need more doc maintainers and screw up our licenses
[04:06] <LaserJock> hmm, yes that might work too
[04:10] <jsgotangco> ok brb too
[06:28] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek
[06:28] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock
[06:29] <robotgeek> how it goes?
[06:30] <LaserJock> it's going. I fixed tightvnc today, which is good
[06:31] <robotgeek> cool, i'm looking forward to get on with the Kubuntu docs today, get the structure laid out
[06:40] <LaserJock> hi KingBahamut
[06:41] <robotgeek> hey KingBahamut
[06:41] <KingBahamut> aye
[06:44] <LaserJock> does anybody know how .pot files are created?
[06:44] <robotgeek> hmm, i read about this. i know it for python, lemme pull up a link
[06:45] <KingBahamut> I seem to remember
[06:45] <KingBahamut> thats something referencing documentation or something
[06:45] <KingBahamut> cant quite remember
[06:45] <robotgeek> KingBahamut: heh
[06:47] <LaserJock> well, I think they are for translations perhaps
[06:47] <LaserJock> but I want to mess around with the gpl XML but it also has a .pot . I don't know if I will mess it up
[06:47] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yeah, i know thet are for translations, i am trying to pull up something specific
[06:47] <robotgeek> deja vu, i swear
[06:48] <robotgeek> Madpilot_: you the man
[06:48] <robotgeek> LaserJock: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/x3799.html maybe that will help
[06:48] <Madpilot_> hmm?
[06:49] <robotgeek> you know how to generate pot files for translations?
[06:49] <Madpilot_> me? nope, sorry. I'm a hopeless unilingual anglophone...
[06:49] <LaserJock> looks like xml2pot would work
[06:50] <LaserJock> I don't think I will mess anything up because I'm just changing the layout not the content
[06:53] <robotgeek> maybe someone should do a wiki page on that
[06:54] <LaserJock> lol, a wiki page is always the answer ;-)
[07:09] <dsas> could someone explain to me how to make a subpage of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/ and make it show up in the card specific section?
[07:10] <Madpilot_> dsas, just create the URL you want to use (/WifiDocs/FooCard or whatever) and the wiki will ask if you want to create a page with that name
[07:11] <Madpilot_> make sure you add it to the main WifiDocs page - subpages aren't added automatically
[07:11] <dsas> Madpilot_, ah ok, I understood that [[FullSearch(-ManufacturerModel AND title:WifiDocs)] ]  did something fancy to make it show up automatically?
[07:12] <Madpilot_> no idea, to be honest
[07:12] <dsas> i'll try and see :)
[07:12] <Madpilot_> go ahead, it's easy to revert things that mess up on the wiki!
[07:16] <dsas> Madpilot_, sweet, it just worked
[07:17] <Madpilot_> dsas, cool. Which  page?
[07:17] <dsas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/CompaqW200
[07:18] <dsas> Madpilot_, I've added a redirect to the old one :)
[07:18] <dsas> *from the old one
[07:18] <Madpilot_> from is better :P
[07:18] <Burgundavia> Madpilot_, do you work tomorrow?
[07:19] <Madpilot_> Burgundavia, yes, I'm downtown 10-6
[07:20] <Burgundavia> hmm, the phone here has already been cutoff
[07:20] <Madpilot_> yes, Telus is evil. And irritating.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> mdke, around?
[07:25] <Madpilot_> dsas, cool, I see how that WifiDocs card list works - interesting search filtering...
[07:28] <dsas> Madpilot_, I don't grok how the ManufacturerModel bit works tbh
[07:28] <Madpilot_> dsas, if it works, that's enough :P
[07:29] <dsas> Madpilot_, *grins*, I agree.
[07:30] <Madpilot_> it's some sort of search-filter voodoo
[07:31] <dsas> and who am I to question the moin voodo man
[07:31] <dsas> would anyone like to criticise CompaqW200 or should I send a mail to the mailing list?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> salut bshumate
[07:32] <Burgundavia> dsas, just a sec, I will look at it
[07:32] <dsas> Burgundavia, thanks
[07:33] <Burgundavia> dsas, looks good. A few comments
[07:33] <Madpilot_> dsas, it looks OK, but I don't actually grok wireless, so I'm not really qualified further...
[07:34] <Burgundavia> dsas, we don't prefer any editor, so change the bit about editing /etc/modules to say something like "Open a text editor using sudo and edit /etc/modules"
[07:34] <Burgundavia> dsas, other than that, looks good
[07:36] <Madpilot_> Burgundavia, "sudo gedit /whatever/foo" is easier to understand than "open a text editor using sudo and..."
[07:36] <Madpilot_> or "sudo nano..." if you want to make sure it works everywhere...
[07:36] <Burgundavia> Madpilot_, yes, but what if a kubuntu user reads it
[07:37] <Burgundavia> Madpilot_, all the official docs are written in this way and it was good
[07:37] <Madpilot_> nano works in Kubuntu too...
[07:38] <Burgundavia> still no good, commandline only
[07:38] <dsas> Burgundavia, ok, I'll change that in other documents I come across it in too.
[07:38] <Burgundavia> dsas, cheers
[07:49] <dsas> Burgundavia, It it ok for me to move that page out of category cleanup now?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> dsas, yep
[08:27] <LaserJock> I just updated and cleaned up our GPL docbook
[08:29] <LaserJock> in case anybody cares ;-)
[08:31] <Madpilot_> saw that - big commit
[08:32] <LaserJock> well, not really any content change
[08:32] <LaserJock> just updated the address
[08:33] <LaserJock> but I took out the sect tags and replaced them with orderedlists
[11:17] <mdke> LaserJock_away, don't worry about the pot for the gpl, go ahead and edit
[11:18] <mdke> oh you did, good ;)
[11:18] <robotgeek> hey mdke
[11:19] <mdke> morning
[11:26] <mdke> poor old Naaman
[11:35] <robotgeek> why?
[11:36] <mdke> well he's undertaken a very difficult task
[11:37] <mdke> trying to bring the wiki and forums closer together
[11:37] <robotgeek> yeah, that's a tough one. but someone's gotta do it
[11:38] <mdke> mmm
[11:38] <mdke> many have spent a lot of time trying already
[11:38] <mdke> but maybe a fresh face might help
[11:41] <robotgeek> yeah...i spent some time with KB one day, but did not work out
[11:41] <robotgeek> it got outta practical domain, and went to philosophical ones.
[11:42] <mdke> it's a shame because really the forum (helpdesk) and wiki (guides) idea is so simple, that it would work really well
[11:42] <robotgeek> yeah
[11:43] <manicka> evening mdke, robotgeek
[11:43] <robotgeek> evening manicka
[11:54] <robotgeek> time for me to write layout structure for the Kubuntu Desktop Guide, later.
[11:54] <robotgeek_work> mdke: maybe i can just copy structure from ubuntu desktop guide?
[11:55] <robotgeek_work> i might also get kkhatman to work on it with me, so that's nice
[12:16] <mdke> robotgeek_work, sounds good. You can copy anything you like
[12:20] <robotgeek_work> cool. the first changes are going to be grep for ubuntu and replace with kubuntu :)
[12:21] <robotgeek_work> hah, looks like rob1/someone else has already done that :)
[12:49] <robotgeek_work> mdke: is there a specific column size to which i should limit the writing to (78 cols or such?). i usually do it without linebreaks
[12:49] <robotgeek_work> not that it would matter with xml, but you get the idea
[12:51] <robotgeek_work> i'm done with the preface, lol
[12:51] <mdke> robotgeek_work, i do it without linebreaks too
[12:51] <mdke> someone eventually comes along and cleans it up
[12:51] <mdke> dunno how
[12:51] <mdke> maybe with conglomerate or something
[12:52] <robotgeek_work> hmm, i find it difficult to read with line breaks, that's not the way i am used to :)
[12:52] <robotgeek_work> conglomerate?
[12:52] <robotgeek_work> ah, the editor
[12:53] <robotgeek_work> is it any better than vim? :)
[12:53] <mdke> i don't understand how it works
[12:53] <mdke> it lays things out structurall
[12:53] <mdke> y
[12:53] <robotgeek_work> i got some plugin which puts the closing tag automatically, very useful
[12:53] <mdke> cool
[12:54] <robotgeek_work> i think it might be xmledit itself, or something else. i have about 3/4 installed, lol
[12:55] <robotgeek_work> kde-chunk-online.xsl is what i'm using right now for the html output, i couldn't find one for the kubuntu-desktop guide
[12:55] <robotgeek_work> should i just use the one for ubuntu right now?
[12:56] <robotgeek_work> hey Kyral
[01:39] <robotgeek_work> mdke: ping
[01:43] <mdke> robotgeek_work, pong
[01:44] <robotgeek_work> mdke: can i just do stuff like http://pastebin.com/527190
[01:44] <robotgeek_work> or do i have to rewrite everything for kubuntu?
[01:45] <mdke> looks good to me
[01:46] <mdke> use your own judgment, and ask the kubuntu guys to review afterwards
[01:46] <robotgeek_work> heh, as usual :)
[01:47] <robotgeek_work> i am still trying to figure out how it all works out, but i'm comfortable with docbook already. html + latex :)
[01:47] <robotgeek_work> i'll bug you if i have any questions
[01:55] <mdke> cool, thanks for working on that
[01:56] <robotgeek_work> no problems, it's a good way for me to contribute back to an OS which i probably will be using for the rest of my life (Hopefully)
[02:05] <mdke> :)
[02:27] <robotgeek_work> mdke: do you know if we will have Shipits for Kubuntu Dapper?
[02:39] <robotgeek_work> found out, answer is "assume yes:
[02:40] <robotgeek_work> apparently, What does kubuntu mean? has the answer "It means "towards humanity" in Bemba."
[02:43] <mdke> i thought shipit wasn't available for kubuntu
[02:44] <robotgeek_work> i asked Riddell, he said "assume yes"
[02:44] <mdke> cool
[02:46] <robotgeek_work> damn, i'm finding out new things about Kubuntu, and I'm not liking it:)
[02:46] <Bonzodog> in dapper, and it's nice
[02:48] <robotgeek_work> i'm actually writing this on xubuntu, eventually i will move over to kubuntu
[02:48] <robotgeek_work> since i have better hardware now :)
[02:50] <robotgeek_work> it's a much nicely integrated system, IMHO. and I come from the mac line, so it matters quite a bit to me :)
[02:50] <Bonzodog> ugh...kde sucks imho
[02:50] <Bonzodog> it's bloatware
[02:51] <robotgeek_work> bloat where?
[02:51] <Bonzodog> you seen how much software it installs?
[02:51] <Bonzodog> like over a gig of software
[02:52] <robotgeek_work> true, but all that is required for the "integration". i don't care for disk space :)
[02:52] <Bonzodog> to get a full running desktop
[02:52] <Bonzodog> I have so much diskspace it defies reality
[02:53] <Bonzodog> but kde's bloat is inexcusable
[02:53] <Bonzodog> I wouldn't use suse because it relies on the kde base to run yast
[02:53] <Bonzodog> I like my linux distro's light and fast
[02:54] <mpt_> And what kind of people call software "yast", anyway
[02:54] <robotgeek_work> Bonzodog: it pisses me off that I have to copy paste a url into liferea's discovery service to get feeds.
[02:54] <Bonzodog> with absolute direct access to the core
[02:54] <mpt_> It sounds like an infection
[02:54] <mdke> heya mpt_ :)
[02:55] <robotgeek_work> in kde, from konqueror i can add feeds to akregator directly. stuff like that matters for me
[02:55] <mpt_> hi mdke
[02:55] <robotgeek_work> plus, vim integrates nicely in kdevelop :)
[02:57] <Bonzodog> incidentally bustacaps idea of removing the how-to sections from the forums is unworkable
[02:59] <Bonzodog> the section was created because people were overloading other sections with there own home-grown how-tos
[02:59] <Bonzodog> some of those how-to's were put together by people who we have not heard from since
[03:00] <Bonzodog> but importantly, they work
[03:01] <Bonzodog> we cannot persuade the user base at large to contribute stuff directly to the wiki
[03:01] <Bonzodog> they just don't listen in our experience
[03:02] <Bonzodog> the forums are a bit like modern replacement for usenet, where people develop their own ways of doing things
[03:02] <Bonzodog> it's users helping users
[03:03] <Bonzodog> the mods are just there to mediate when things get out of hand, remove spam, and provide a modicum of control
[03:04] <Bonzodog> so we really have to centre on transferring the good stuff to the wiki, then acknowleding the contribution in the wiki
[03:05] <Bonzodog> we should never have to worry about asking permission as anything posted to the forums is classed as open to editing for public use
[03:05] <Bonzodog> mailing lists are frankly old hat
[03:06] <Bonzodog> I stopped using them **years** ago
[03:06] <Bonzodog> as I don't like a full inbox
[03:06] <mpt_> rofl
[03:06] <mpt_> Switching Ubuntu bug tracking from Bugzilla to Malone was not enough
[03:07] <mpt_> Let's switch all development discussion from the ubuntu-devel mailing list to the forums :-)
[03:07] <robotgeek_work> Bonzodog: mutt + fetchmail + procmail works great for lists :)
[03:07] <Bonzodog> i have gmail
[03:07] <Bonzodog> and just use it's web front end
[03:07] <mpt_> well, there's your problem right there
[03:07] <mpt_> If you use Gmail, forums will be comparably awkward and slow
[03:08] <Bonzodog> my ISP does not provide mail accounts
[03:08] <mdke> gmail has pop access
[03:08] <Bonzodog> so web mail it is
[03:08] <mdke> i use a pop web server
[03:08] <mdke> which is much worse than gmail
[03:08] <robotgeek_work> i use gmail's pop access, it very easy to setup too
[03:08] <mpt_> I use multiple computers, so POP is no good for me
[03:09] <Bonzodog> I have used gmails pop access
[03:09] <Bonzodog> but i cannot find a mail client i'm happy with
[03:09] <Bonzodog> I used to use pine
[03:09] <robotgeek_work> Bonzodog: kmail is very nice :)
[03:09] <Bonzodog> um...gtk solution it has to be
[03:10] <robotgeek_work> Bonzodog: syphleed maybe?
[03:10] <Bonzodog> I might install thunderbird
[03:10] <robotgeek_work> Bonzodog: you can get mutt with pine keybindings, if you can spare the effort, i think
[03:11] <Bonzodog> I want a well written ncurses client
[03:11] <robotgeek_work> mutt is very nice, i use both kmail and mutt
[03:11] <robotgeek_work> mutt is for when i am away from computer
[03:12] <Bonzodog> at the moment though, I am keeping dapper on the bleeding edge
[03:12] <Bonzodog> and it's broken a lot of the gnome dependent apps
[03:12] <Bonzodog> as i am currently missing gconf
[03:12] <robotgeek_work> my dapper won't upgrade, i think it might actually be a good sign, lol
[03:13] <Bonzodog> robotgeek_work, have you asked for a dist-upgrade lately?
[03:13] <Bonzodog> I did it last night
[03:13] <Bonzodog> I now have gnome 2.13.9
[03:13] <Bonzodog> a very broken gnome
[03:13] <robotgeek_work> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ifupdown_0.6.7ubuntu6_powerpc.deb  404 Not Found
[03:14] <Bonzodog> robotgeek_work, remove the 'us' from the addy
[03:14] <robotgeek_work> ah, okay.
[03:14] <Bonzodog> it all has to be just archive.ubuntu.com to work
[03:14] <robotgeek_work> funny, it worked yesterday
[03:14] <Bonzodog> you wait now
[03:15] <Bonzodog> also enable universe and multiverse in both sets of archives, security included
[03:15] <robotgeek_work> already have
[03:16] <Bonzodog> then apt-get update
[03:16] <robotgeek_work> hmm, 123 MB. Do i want to upgrade and risk breakage...heh
[03:16] <Bonzodog> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:16] <robotgeek_work> hmm, this is going to take a while. crap
[03:17] <Bonzodog> like I said, /home is on a seperate partition, so breakag only happens at the root
[03:17] <robotgeek_work> Bonzodog: that's my test machine, so no issues there
[03:19] <robotgeek_work> mdke: i have a reference like &terminal, is that document specific?
[04:06] <robotgeek_work> mdke: can i refer directly to Adept Guide, instead of copy/pasting the material here?
[04:11] <robotgeek_work> anyways, almost done with chapter 1, i made a few changes to global ent, i guess. is that okay?
[04:13] <robotgeek_work> i made changes to "ubuntu-doc/libs/global.ent", is this okay?
[04:14] <robotgeek_work> later, gotta hit bed :)
[04:17] <robotgeek_zzz> http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/KubuntuDesktopGuide/ is where you can get a sneak peek. lots of errors, i know :)
[05:52] <mdke> robotgeek_zzz, you can't use &terminal; it refers to a gnome-menus entity
[05:52] <mdke> robotgeek_zzz, yes, refer to the adept guide
[05:52] <mdke> robotgeek_zzz, yes, make changes to global.ent, if you need to add things
[05:52] <mdke> :)
[06:55] <LaserJock> mdke: did you happen to look at my changes to the gpl.xml?
[06:59] <mdke> LaserJock, nope, just assumed it is fine
[06:59] <mdke> that reminds me about the pot
[07:00] <LaserJock> mdke: oh your bold to assume that anything I do is fine ;-)
[07:00] <LaserJock> mdke: so should all the .pot
[07:00] <LaserJock> files for the licenses be removed?
[07:01] <mdke> yeah I'm gonna do that
[07:02] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[07:03] <LaserJock> I was hoping to not be too much of a pain
[07:03] <mdke> LaserJock, you're not at all
[07:03] <mdke> quite the reverse
[07:03] <mdke> done
[07:05] <mdke> tempted to nuke xubuntu too, we don't work on that to my knowledge
[07:05] <LaserJock> really?
[07:06] <mdke> i think that is upstream docs, no one has ever worked on it iirc
[07:12] <LaserJock> oh
[07:14] <LaserJock> that's to bad
[07:14] <mdke> ?
[07:16] <LaserJock> that we don't have any xubuntu docs
[07:17] <LaserJock> what about edubuntu? Do they have there own docs?
[07:19] <mdke> xfce has good upstream docs
[07:19] <mdke> yeah edubuntu have some docs
[07:20] <mdke> the current ones are not in our repo i think
[07:24] <LaserJock> lol, I forgot that we were shipping HTML. My yelp hasn'
[07:24] <mdke> hasn't?
[07:24] <LaserJock> hasn't shown anything for a while
[07:24] <mdke> oh right
[07:24] <mdke> do a scrollkeeper reinstall
[07:25] <LaserJock> really?
[07:25] <mdke> just sudo scrollkeeper-rebuild should do it
[07:25] <LaserJock> I'll try that because it works in my chroot but not on my main install
[07:26] <mdke> just dist-upgrade it should be fixed :D
[07:27] <LaserJock> well, a dist-upgrade hasn't fixed it
[07:27] <mdke> was scrollkeeper updated?
[07:28] <crimsun> today, yes
[07:28] <LaserJock> I don't know but sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb worked
[07:28] <mdke> good
[07:28] <LaserJock> weird
[07:29] <mdke> its a known problem
[07:29] <mdke> should have been fixed with the last scrollkeeper tho i think
[07:30] <Bonzodog> wot no gconf-editor, wot no gksudo
[07:31] <Bonzodog> wot no theme manager
[07:31] <LaserJock> what I don't get is why it would work in my chroot. They are both dist-upgraded, just not at the same time
[07:31] <Bonzodog> gconf is **completely** broken in ghnome at the moment
[07:31] <mdke> Bonzodog, worksforme
[07:32] <Bonzodog> you ever tried running gnome without it
[07:32] <Bonzodog> ?
[07:32] <LaserJock> good thing I have KDE around ;-)
[07:32] <Bonzodog> I'm on dapper 64 bit
[07:32] <Bonzodog> with all repos enabled
[07:32] <Bonzodog> and I did a dist-upgrade
[07:32] <Bonzodog> as of last night
[07:33] <Bonzodog> the dist-upgrade just broke gnome completely
[07:33] <Bonzodog> it also did an interesting update to gdm
[07:33] <Bonzodog> my gnome is currently 2.13.9
[07:34] <mdke> yes there is a new gdm theme
[07:35] <Bonzodog> the shutdown and reboot menu's have been enclosed in one 'options' menu
[07:35] <Bonzodog> I cannot understand how it broke gconf though
[07:35] <Bonzodog> gconfd is running in the background
[07:35] <mdke> best file a bug
[07:35] <mdke> i don't see that here
[07:36] <Bonzodog> but all my icons ahve gone, I have no desktop background
[07:36] <Bonzodog> gnome-theme-manager segfaults
[07:37] <LaserJock> works fine for me too
[07:40] <Bonzodog> try deleting your .gconf dirs in your home dir
[07:41] <Bonzodog> and watch it crash
[07:42] <LaserJock> Bonzodog: works fine for me
[07:42] <Bonzodog> hrmm...strange
[07:43] <Bonzodog> dunno why it just happened on my system
[07:43] <Bonzodog> but something did break once in downloading
[09:56] <SteveMyers> mdke, when you're available can you pm me sir, thank you


[14:44] <AskUbuntu> Multiple Preseeds | http://askubuntu.com/q/312975
[15:24] <eruffini> I have a question about MAAS preseeds if anyone has a few minutes..
[15:26] <eruffini> Can MAAS support multiple preseeds?
[15:29] <rbasak> eruffini: IIRC, the preseed is a template that can call out to MAAS. And MAAS supports tags. So if you can query on that, then you can customise preseed templates to vary depending on the tag. At least that's the approach I'd take. I don't know if it'll work or if there's a better way.
[15:33] <eruffini> rbasak: Hmm. The reason I ask is that there are several environments that I would love to use MAAS with, but a single preseed configuration is not going to work since the environments are different underlying hardware.
[15:33] <eruffini> i.e. one environment uses 2 drives vs. 6 drives, and it would be nice to preseed each environment individually.


[14:05] <iwkse> hi all, i download the jdic package from java.net could you tell me where i should copy to let ant see it?
[14:06] <iwkse> i think i found it
[14:06] <iwkse> :)


[01:48] <MarkDude> Jono, you are hella awesome- I *just* noticed your twitter pic is of actual bacon.
[01:48] <MarkDude> +1
[02:33] <jono> MarkDude, thanks, man :-)
[02:33] <jono> gay rights, expressed with bacon strips
[02:33] <jono> what is not to love :-)
[04:02] <MarkDude> Agreed :)
[16:36] <nhh> Out of curiosity, anyone heading back to the Menlo Park area after the BAD dinner tomorrow?
[16:37] <pleia2> not I
[16:40] <pleia2> nhh: I actually have to go home right after the ubuntu hour (have to prep for a talk on thursday night), will you be at the ubuntu hour to sign keys?
[16:41] <nhh> pleia2: I'll be there. I'm personally planning on taking Caltrain back to California Ave, Palo Alto afterwards. I'm trying to get another DD who I work with to come, and he is looking for a ride.
[18:09] <MarkDude> pleia2: Lightsaber relay in SF- looks fun
[19:34] <philipballew> pleia2, Care if I invite a few people to your SF Ubuntu Hour?
[19:35] <pleia2> philipballew: always invite!
[19:35]  * philipballew invites away!
[19:35] <akk> No, this is one of pleia2's private Ubuntu Hours that people aren't allowed to come to. :)
[19:35] <pleia2> hehe
[19:36] <rww> yay keysigning.
[19:57] <MarkDude> pleia2: answers door thru small hole (like Wizard of OZ) and asks for secret word to enter :D


[01:47] <mikubuntu> i have a disc from the hospital with cat scan images, but lubuntu is not opening automagically -- any suggestions?
[01:55] <mikubuntu> i have xubuntu restricted extras package installed, are there some other codecs/drivers i might need?
[02:21] <holstein> mikubuntu: could be, the disc has a "viewer" with it, and you are required to run it with whatever operating system they require you to run it with
[02:22] <holstein> when i had one of those, i was able to look around on the disc, manally, and open the images
[02:22] <holstein> you can try adding the restricted extras..
[02:22] <holstein> !restricted
[02:23] <mikubuntu> holstein it does have some files marked 'viewer,' but of course it wouldn't launch. i think i found the file with the images, but they won't open individually either
[02:23] <holstein> but, it may be that its not even what we consider "restricted", but rather, just flat out requiring the bundled application
[02:23] <holstein> mikubuntu: it wont matter what gets marked "viewer".. it'll be a matter of forcefully opening the files, other places
[02:24] <holstein> the labels, and suggested default applications wont have to be relevant
[02:24] <mikubuntu> is there a command line i could use to find image files and force open?
[02:25] <holstein> mikubuntu: sure, but that wont help make things that are not designed to work, work
[02:25] <holstein> mikubuntu: you dont need the command line.. you can simply right click and force open in another application
[02:26] <mikubuntu> any suggested app?
[02:26] <holstein> i know its not all that simple, straight forward, or constructive, but, keep in mind, lubuntu/ubuntu/linux is not doing anything to prevent those from openging
[02:26] <mikubuntu> thats part of lubuntu standard?
[02:26] <holstein> mikubuntu: i will literally keep in mind that im promised, from the creators of the media, support for a completely different operating system, and just start trying to open in *everything"
[02:27] <holstein> mikubuntu: lubuntu's standard is completely open.. meaning, the creators of that disc are freely able to support it, but if they dont, you can have a challenging timne
[02:28] <holstein> what i typically do is drag the data in, off the disc.. then, i will start sifting through, looking for a specific file type.. an extension
[02:29] <holstein> .jpg, .png, for example... i will search around about how to open them with that specific information.. *not* searching lubuntu, but, ubuntu, and/or linux.. anything that works in ubuntu will happen in lubuntu
[02:29] <holstein> no need to narrow the scope unnecessarily
[02:31] <mikubuntu> oh, well -- i give up. not feeling well enough to wrastle with it. i tried right clicking image file. got nothin.
[02:31] <holstein> sure
[02:31] <holstein> it'll likely require digging deeper into what the file type is.. the extension
[02:31] <mikubuntu> gnna try one more thing -- image magick
[02:32] <holstein> mikubuntu: what file type are the media?
[02:32] <mikubuntu> fpm
[02:32] <holstein> you can feel free to share one, and i'll look at it, and let you know how i open, if i can
[02:32] <mikubuntu> don't know really
[02:33] <holstein> mikubuntu: dont know what? are they .fpm?
[02:33] <mikubuntu> no, fpm was a slip of my keyboard hand ... lol
[02:33] <holstein> you can ask in #ubuntu, for example, since, opening .fpm files will be the same, since, lubuntu is uubuntu
[02:33] <mikubuntu> don't know the file type
[02:33] <holstein> mikubuntu: you should be able to right click, in the file manager, and see details..
[02:36] <mikubuntu> holstein thx, but i'm giving up for now
[12:59] <klubuntu> Is it higher system requirements for 15.04 then 14.04.2 ? What to use xubuntu or lubuntu. I have 64bit cpu 1Gb ram.


[07:33] <rzeka> I am about to set automatic backups on server but I'm wondering. Is it better to connect to target machine from source or to source from target. In 1st case, when I have 3 different sources, I cannot tell if previous backup is done so I might get 2 backups running at the same time. In 2nd method, if backup server is hacked anyone may get access to other servers with ease (login through ssh keys)
[11:49] <vidarne> with taskset you can set a specific running program to a  core as root/superuser but is there a way for a regular user to be allowed to set what core a program shall use ?  i have 3 game servers runing and i dont want them to use core/treds 1-3.
[11:51] <vidarne> is it visudo i have to use for that ?
[12:01] <DonRichie> vidarne: You can give root permission for specific commands with sudo
[12:57] <Kartagis> postfix/smtp[8844]: connect to mail.example.com[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]:25: Connection refused how come?
[13:08] <Kartagis> guys, it seems that I can't receive any mail and I re
[13:08] <Kartagis> ceive this in the log
[14:00] <Lartza> Not sure if I should ask this on php or apache so... Running Apache2 with php5-fpm and proxypassmatch, problem with aliases on webapps like phpmyadmin
[14:00] <Lartza> Getting a "primary script unknown" error but there's no better info anywhere
[14:01] <Lartza> I use ProxyPassMatch pointing to fcgi://<IP_ADDRESS>:9000/var/www/html/$1 and Alias /phpmyadmin /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[14:09] <Lartza> Fixed I think :)
[15:51] <dav1dp0101> Hey, does anyone know how to remove the X windowing system and any display manager and graphics manager I may have installed? I think I installed a few different types but I don't remember what.
[17:14] <jsonperl> hiya, I have a fairly non-ubuntu related "disaster recovery" question, but you folks are sharp :)
[17:14]  * patdk-wk goes around popping balloons
[17:15] <jsonperl> I want to host a backup web app, ready to failover if my "primary" app has issues
[17:15] <patdk-wk> and?
[17:15] <jsonperl> My initial thought was to take care of it via a CNAME change when said issue occurs
[17:15] <jsonperl> And keep an A record already pointing to the "spare"
[17:16] <patdk-wk> doesnt matter
[17:16] <jsonperl> Though now I'm thinking I'll still have the same issues with TTL as I would with just a straight A record
[17:16] <patdk-wk> so your question is ONLY related to dns failover?
[17:16] <jsonperl> failover in general
[17:16] <patdk-wk> nothing else in the scope? like failover disk data, the application itself, webservers, ....
[17:16] <jsonperl> You would likely use a load balancer, and redirect?
[17:16] <jsonperl> Just the webserver
[17:17] <patdk-wk> there are like 5 good ways to do it
[17:17] <jsonperl> Do you have a pref?
[17:17] <patdk-wk> but every method has it's own time and scaling issues
[17:17] <jsonperl> I like the CNAME route, since it's drop dead simple
[17:17] <jsonperl> but DNS prop may be a bit of an issue
[17:17] <jsonperl> and it's obviously not automated
[17:18] <jsonperl> but this is a disaster situation, so I'm somewhat unconcerned about that
[17:18] <patdk-wk> why is it not automated?
[17:18] <jsonperl> cname switching?
[17:18] <patdk-wk> ya
[17:18] <jsonperl> I mean, it could be I spose
[17:18] <patdk-wk> it always was for me
[17:18] <patdk-wk> I had each dns server test reachability
[17:18] <patdk-wk> and only serve whatever one was usable
[17:18] <jsonperl> I'm not running my own dns
[17:18] <jsonperl> I'm on route 53
[17:18] <patdk-wk> if the dns servers can't test, then you just have to go *best* guess
[17:19] <jsonperl> perhaps they have some automation for that though
[17:19] <patdk-wk> and assume the dns servers have the same reachability as your testing location
[17:19] <jsonperl> btw happy new year pat
[17:19] <patdk-wk> they do
[17:19] <patdk-wk> but I hadn't used it too much, so can't remember if it's good enough, think it is though
[17:19] <jsonperl> that may be the best solution
[17:19] <jsonperl> least moving parts
[18:58] <Novice201y> Hi. How can I limit TLS version to ingore SSL3 on my Ubuntu 12.04 Server?
[19:22] <Novice201y> Hi. I run OpenVPN Access Server on VPS's Ubuntu 12.04 and want to limit TLS version that accessing /admin via https will try something higher that SSL3.
[19:25] <qman> You will need to adjust the web server's SSL configuration
[19:25] <qman> How precisely you do that depends on which web server you're running
[19:27] <Novice201y> qman: I don't think so - I installed only OpenVPN Access Server on this Ubuntu, changes options under SSL tab, but still ask for SSL3 on conection.
[19:27] <qman> A pretty decent guide for securing SSL on some common softwares: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS
[19:28] <qman> If the OpenVPN Access Server runs its own web server, you will have to check with their documentation on how to configure it
[19:30] <qman> The algorithm selection is handled by the service, it's not a systemwide setting
[19:32] <Novice201y> qman: Thanks
[19:54] <Aison> hello
[19:54] <Aison> I would like to setup several vlans
[19:55] <Aison> with network/interfaces it works
[19:55] <Aison> and I guess with network/interfaces vconfig is used
[19:55] <Aison> but now I would like to use GVRP to announce the VLAN
[19:55] <Aison> this can be done eg. with
[19:56] <Aison> ip link add link eth0 eth0.260 type vlan id 260 gvrp on loose_binding on
[19:56] <Aison> can I somehow define a VLAN device inside network/interfaces so that GVRP is used?
[20:00] <Aison> or maybe I need to define a inet manual device?!?
[21:35] <jvwjgames> Hi
[21:35] <jvwjgames> I need emergency help with my website
[21:43] <jvwjgames> my website is sufering sever probems
[21:44] <jvwjgames> i need help can someone please help me
[21:44] <cryptodan> what kind
[21:44] <jvwjgames> let me explain
[21:44] <jvwjgames> here is my website
[21:45] <jvwjgames> try to goto it
[21:45] <jvwjgames> http://jvwjgames.net
[21:45] <cryptodan> whats the issue
[21:46] <jvwjgames> my customers recive an http error 504 gateway timeout error
[21:46] <cryptodan> I can get to it
[21:46] <jvwjgames> really
[21:47] <cryptodan> http://i.imgur.com/YmI2sPF.png
[21:47] <jvwjgames> hmmm
[21:48] <jvwjgames> my phone i use mobile data and get an http error 504
[21:48] <jvwjgames> but interal network can get to it
[21:48] <cryptodan> when i use www.jvwjgames.net I get a not found
[21:49] <jvwjgames> ya that expected cause i don't have an A record for www.jvwjgames.net only jvwgjames.net
[21:49] <cryptodan> but without the www's I get to it
[21:49] <jvwjgames> *jvwjgames.net
[21:49] <jvwjgames> ya
[21:50] <jvwjgames> but for some odd reason my phone can't from out side my network
[21:50] <jvwjgames> is it my server issue or is it tmobile issue
[21:51] <cryptodan> tmobile
[21:51] <jvwjgames> yes tombile
[21:51] <cryptodan> you can check via www.network-tools.com or another site like it
[21:56] <jvwjgames> ok this is strange
[21:57] <jvwjgames> it says it is ok on a website tester i used but my phone it has an http error 504
[21:57] <jvwjgames> hmmm
[21:57] <cryptodan> then its a tmobile issue
[22:00] <jvwjgames> hmm i just don't get it
[22:00] <jvwjgames> cause all other websites work
[22:02] <jvwjgames> on tmobile
[22:03] <jemejones> does anyone know of a tool that can see if any packages that i have installed have a known vulnerability (by pulling a feed from a cve database)?
[22:03] <jemejones> i think maybe nessus can do it
[22:03] <cryptodan> yes nessus can
[22:04] <jemejones> i'm trying to figure out if openvas (a fork of nessus from way-back-when) can do it
[22:04] <jemejones> ok - awesome
[22:04] <cryptodan> jvwjgames: could be an issue between tmobile and comcast
[22:05] <jvwjgames> comcast?
[22:05] <jvwjgames> did you do an ip lookup
[22:05] <jvwjgames> lol
[22:05] <cryptodan> jvwjgames: yup
[22:05] <jvwjgames> nice
[22:06] <cryptodan> but it works for me so its an issue with tmobile
[22:07] <jvwjgames> i have a tracert program on my android phone and it can do a tracrt just fine
[22:07] <jvwjgames> from mobile data
[22:07] <cryptodan> traceroute is performed via ICMP or UDP it doesnt care about port 80
[22:14] <jvwjgames> this is really strange
[22:15] <jvwjgames> i can get to the site via mobile data if i use https but can't if i use http
[22:17] <jvwjgames> ok
[22:17] <jvwjgames> i found the problem
[22:17] <jvwjgames> This is a known problem with US T-mobile - they fail to route to certain web services, including to Memsource. However, there is a workaround: Always use https for all communication, including using https from Memsource Editor. That should get you connected.
[22:17] <jvwjgames> You should report this issue to T-Mobile, so that they fix this. Their users seem to have similar problems connecting not just to Memsource:
[22:18] <jvwjgames> so this is a know issue on T-Mobile apperantly
[22:23] <cryptodan> now I know another reason not to use tmobile


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[08:54] <hooni> Greeting...!!!
[08:55] <hooni> Someon have been using 802.1q over LACP?
[08:55] <hooni> Plz, show me how to config...OTL~~~
[08:56] <hooni>   network:
[08:56] <hooni>    version: 2
[08:56] <hooni>    renderer: networkd
[08:56] <hooni>    ethernets:
[08:56] <hooni>            eno1:
[08:56] <hooni>               addresses:
[08:56] <hooni>                    - <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[08:56] <hooni>               gateway4: <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:56] <hooni>               nameservers:
[08:56] <hooni>                       addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[08:56] <hooni>            eno2:
[08:56] <hooni>               dhcp4: no
[08:56] <hooni>            eno3:
[08:56] <hooni>               dhcp4: no
[08:56] <hooni>            eno4:
[08:56] <hooni>               dhcp4: no
[08:56] <hooni>    bonds:
[08:56] <hooni>            bond0:
[08:56] <hooni>                interfaces: [ vlan100 ]
[08:58] <hooni> Above comment is I used to use 802.1q over LACP. If you find out what I missed then plz, let me know.


[11:31] <Chiku> hello
[11:32] <Chiku> someone can help me about rsyslog.conf, I'm logging ipatbles, but I don't what to spam in syslog and message files
[11:33] <Chiku> how can I do that?


[01:58] <aceanimations-ub> how do i upgrade from 14.10 to prelease ubuntu versions?
[01:59] <k1l> use the -d switch which tells the program you want to upgrade to a developer release
[01:59] <k1l> *sigh*
[10:51] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:37] <elfy> happy sunday lordievader BluesKaj :)
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hey elfy, same to you :)
[11:47] <lordievader> Hey elfy
[21:10] <suzana> quit
[23:05] <kaimast> hey does anybody have wifi issues with the upgrade to 3.18
[23:05] <kaimast> i frequently need to restart network-manager in order to fix my connection :(


[09:12] <studio-user295> hola
[09:12] <studio-user295> hello?
[14:05] <neoangel> hi
[14:05] <neoangel> somebody here?


[09:29] <noodles775> bigjools: just looking at the comment that you added to DistributionPPASearchView - "There really should be a way for the form to reject unexpected...." - isn't the issue there really that we're not using an LPForm?
[09:30] <noodles775> (ie. we'er using request.get - which is accessing the data directly from the GET dict?)
[09:31] <bigjools> noodles775: what else could it do?
[09:31] <noodles775> bigjools: if the view was inheriting from LaunchpadFormView we could be using request.form?
[09:31] <noodles775> ... at least - I think - checking now.
[09:43] <noodles775> OK, so if we used a safe_action in an LPFormView the validation would take care of this automatically (as it validates against the form schema).
[10:30] <noodles775> bigjools: r=me (just a question about the comment).
[10:33] <bigjools> noodles775: umm I have no answer to that :)
[10:33] <noodles775> bigjools: no answer (as to whether we should use LPFormView)?
[10:33] <bigjools> it seemed like a follow-on from the part above so it made sense at the time to run on the comment
[10:34] <noodles775> Ah, I'd forgotten about that question :), ok.
[10:34] <bigjools> :)
[10:38] <adeuring> noodles775: could you review this mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/hwdb-class-udev-device-6/+merge/13402 ?
[10:38] <noodles775> adeuring: sure!
[10:38] <adeuring> noodles775: thanks!
[11:15] <bigjools> noodles775: I have changed the comment in that code
[11:15] <noodles775> bigjools: k.
[11:15] <bigjools> I removed the XXX and explained that it's better to be helpful and join the terms
[11:16] <noodles775> bigjools: ah - great.
[11:17] <bigjools> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/293807/ if you're interested
[12:54] <noodles775> adeuring: r=me - sent with a few comments :)
[12:54]  * noodles775 -> lunch
[13:19] <adeuring> noodles775: thanks!
[14:20] <salgado> noodles775, no need to review that branch of mine.  barry's on it
[14:20] <noodles775> salgado: ah ok - I was just about to start :) Thanks.
[14:21] <noodles775> aw, and it's so small :)
[14:25] <barry> ocr's: you don't have to review any merge into lp:~launchpad-dev/launchpad/python-migration.  we're sprinting on that in #launchpad-sprint
[14:26] <noodles775> k, thanks barry.
[15:26] <adeuring> noodles775: fancy to review a sequel of my last branch?
[15:26] <noodles775> adeuring: sure!
[15:26] <adeuring> noodles775: thanks! https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/hwdb-class-udev-device-7/+merge/13413
[15:27] <noodles775> adeuring: yikes, 1070 lines - I'm hoping that includes the -6 branch?
[15:28] <noodles775> *phew* looks like it.
[15:28] <adeuring> noodles775: sigh, I screwed up the "bzr send" command. Should 273 lines...
[15:28] <noodles775> aha, np.
[15:29] <adeuring> noodles775: clould you use the diff between revisions 9694 and 9695?
[15:29] <noodles775> adeuring: yep, np.
[15:29] <adeuring> noodles775: (the branch is based on the one you reviewed earlier. Has not yet landed)
[16:03] <noodles775> adeuring: r=me, there was one change that I was unsure of (see the comment). Thanks!
[16:03] <adeuring> noodles775: thanks!
[16:03] <noodles775> np
[17:40] <adeuring> rockstar: fancy a review of a branch with 20 line diff?
[17:42] <rockstar> adeuring, oh yeah, it's thursday, I forgot...
[17:42] <adeuring> rockstar: no problem ;) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-446600/+merge/13430
[17:42] <rockstar> adeuring, shoot it on over.
[17:49] <rockstar> adeuring, r=me
[17:49] <adeuring> rockstar: thanks!
[18:15] <gary_poster> rockstar: you up for a 46-line lazr.restful diff?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gary/lazr.restful/fix-wadl-root-template/+merge/13429
[18:16] <rockstar> gary_poster, sure.
[18:16] <gary_poster> thanks
[18:18] <rockstar> gary_poster, r=me, come back when you have a real diff.  :)
[18:18] <gary_poster> rockstar lol thanks :-)
[18:53] <gary_poster> salgado: ping?


[00:32] <soee> clivejo: madness
[00:38] <soee> oO
[00:40] <soee> clivejo: hre?
[00:43] <soee> clivejo: yofel if i manually copy ffmpegthumbs.so (version 15.12) to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/ (overwrite the 16.04 version) thumbs work than
[07:01] <soee> hiho
[07:03] <acheronuk> debian unstable is looking quite good at the moment http://i.imgur.com/VsN1qXc.png
[07:06] <soee> ;D
[07:07] <soee> acheronuk: do you know what is different in ffmpegthumbs 15.12 -> 16.04 ?
[07:07] <acheronuk> soee: not a clue
[07:13] <acheronuk> clivejo yofel: debian unstable is still on akonadi 1.13.0-8, so I can install kgpg etc on that
[07:28] <acheronuk> adding and pinning experimental to unstable and dist-upgrading is OK, but these are held back
[07:28] <acheronuk> akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server kdepimlibs-kio-plugins libakonadiprotocolinternals1
[07:37] <soee> uhm
[07:38] <acheronuk> so same probs on debain, which they have avoided on sid by not upgrading akonadi yet
[07:42] <acheronuk> hum... https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Applications/16.08_Release_Schedule
[07:42] <soee> yup, i posted it yesterday :)
[07:42] <soee> *this link
[07:43] <acheronuk> must have missed that with everything else
[07:43] <soee> acheronuk: have you seen how systray icons are rendered in 5.7 ?
[07:44] <acheronuk> what about them? I have neon-dev in a VM
[07:44] <acheronuk> they look ok to me
[07:45] <soee> i have mixed feelings how they are scaled now :)
[07:45] <acheronuk> ohhhh. they stay small you mean?
[07:46] <soee> yes
[07:46] <acheronuk> I tend to always have 2 thin panels rather than a big taller/wider one, so I hadn't noticed that!
[07:47] <soee> :)
[07:47] <soee> release next week, we will se how it works :)
[07:47] <soee> Neon will ship Plasma 5.7 with Qt 5.7
[07:48] <acheronuk> can imagine that might annoy some, but then again, taking up huge space for systray icons in big panels is a bit daft also
[07:48] <soee> umh
[07:48] <acheronuk> yes, saw that discussion on #neon yesterday
[07:48] <acheronuk> *kde-neon
[10:34] <clivejo> soee: thanks for that
[10:38] <soee> for ?
[10:42] <clivejo> the tip that ffmpegthumbs works in 15.12 but not in 16.04
[10:43] <soee> clivejo: ok, but do you have any idea what has changed since 15.12?
[10:43] <clivejo> I think Ive an idea
[10:43] <soee> nice :)
[10:48] <clivejo> soee: can you try this version - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/10309395
[10:49] <soee> yakkety ?
[10:49] <clivejo> yeah
[10:49] <soee> will it work on xenial ?
[10:49] <clivejo> oh you on xenail?
[10:49] <soee> yup
[10:50] <clivejo> your call is important to us, please hold the line
[10:50] <soee> hold the door, hold the door
[11:06] <clivejo> soee: try this package https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/10309406/+files/ffmpegthumbs_16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[11:08] <soee> POIlkj56
[11:09] <soee-dev> clivejo: can you paste again it ?
[11:10] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/10309406
[11:13] <soee-dev> clivejo: nope, doesnt help
[11:14] <clivejo> ok try this one when it publishes - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/10309424
[11:14] <soee-dev> ;D
[11:16] <soee-dev> clivejo: works
[11:16] <clivejo> ok so its the patch
[11:17] <soee-dev> http://www.wstaw.org/m/2016/07/02/Screenshot_20160702_131651.png
[11:17] <clivejo> or maybe its new code in the git archive
[11:17] <clivejo> grrr I dunno
[11:18] <soee> :)
[11:19] <acheronuk> xenial package not working here
[11:19] <clivejo> and the yakkety version is working
[11:20] <soee> acheronuk: the second one ?
[11:20] <clivejo> acheronuk: try the KCI unstable one
[11:20] <clivejo> it seems to work on yakkety and xenial
[11:20] <acheronuk> 2 secs then....
[11:20] <clivejo> Ive got thumbs!
[11:21] <acheronuk> KCI one works!
[11:22] <soee> :D
[11:23]  * acheronuk now turns them off
[11:26] <clivejo> oh great
[11:27] <clivejo> Ive uploaded the fixed package to both XX and YY apps staging PPA
[11:27] <clivejo> when they build will you guys test those for me
[11:27] <clivejo> hopefully we can tick off that bug
[11:27] <soee> yup
[11:28] <clivejo> me likes movie thumbs
[11:29]  * soee likes them to
[11:32] <clivejo> I have to go for a bit
[11:32] <clivejo> test those for me :P
[11:32] <acheronuk> ppa3 on xenial?
[11:32] <clivejo> Ill have to fix that merger too
[11:33] <clivejo> yeah
[11:35] <acheronuk> works
[11:38] <clivejo> acheronuk: can you test ppa4 on yakkety when it builds
[11:38] <acheronuk> yep
[11:43] <acheronuk> oh. ppa4 on YY failed to build
[11:49] <jimarvan> helloz!
[11:53] <mparillo> I saw this bug posted to BKO in the Kubuntu Channel. It is not present in my en.US configuration. Can a en.GB person confirm https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360657
[11:58] <jimarvan> mparillo i have en.GB
[11:59] <jimarvan> oh :( nope i have en.US on this laptop
[11:59] <jimarvan> en.GB at the office
[11:59] <jimarvan> I will try on my VBox later on :)
 Acheronuk can you see why its not building?
[12:24] <acheronuk> something to do with that 2.9 patch I would imagine, but not sure what right this second
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: I assume the patch was needed for the YY version (ffmpeg > 2.9 there), but the merge removed it? hence the fail?
 Strange
 Why did it build OK on kci
[14:41] <acheronuk> not sure in that case
[15:01] <acheronuk> clivejo: If I build using the kubuntu_yakkety_archive packaging with the ffmpegthumbs_16.04.2.orig.tar.xz source, it fails
[15:02] <acheronuk> If I build using that same packaging but with the KCI ffmpegthumbs_16.04.2+p16.10+git20160702.1108.orig.tar.xz source, it builds OK
[15:04] <acheronuk> so I would guess it's 1 commit since 16.04.02 tag that is the difference? https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=ffmpegthumbs.git
[15:10] <clivejo> weirdness
[15:10] <acheronuk> actually, diff'ing the sources it seems a bit more than just that one line.
[15:16] <acheronuk> if I haven't messed up the diff, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/18307417/
[15:18] <acheronuk> so looks a bit like the 2.9 patch fix already in the KCI source?
[15:20] <acheronuk> hence it build OK without it, while the YY ppa build using the 16.04.3 release 'as is' did/would not?
[15:20] <acheronuk> *16.04.2
[15:22] <clivejo> I have no idea whats going on7
[15:23] <acheronuk> I noticed the other day that the kde devs are not always very reliable at rolling that tarballs from the correct commits/tags, so perhaps something like that with this?
[15:23] <clivejo> could be
[15:24] <acheronuk> dunno really. what is in the tars does not seems to tally with their git log
[15:24] <clivejo> for backports I could just put the KCI one in there
[15:24] <clivejo> apps 16.04.3 is due out soon
[15:24] <clivejo> is the xenial one working from staging?
[15:25] <acheronuk> xenial backports didn't need it though?
[15:25] <acheronuk> as ffmpeg is 2.8.3 in XX
[15:25] <clivejo> oh
[15:25] <acheronuk> yes, it works in XX
[15:26] <clivejo> wonder where one opens a bug report for ffmpegtrhiumbs
[15:29] <clivejo> well seeing KCI version is working, I assume they know about it and have fixed it
[15:29] <acheronuk> seems that way
[15:38] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you think Qt5.6.1 is ready for business?
[16:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: for what purpose exactly? yofel was going to do a transition tracker, if I recall
[16:03] <acheronuk> I'm off in search of sustenance, anyway. May be back later
 Was going to try staging plasma 5.7
[16:44] <yofel> should be fine for that
[16:45] <yofel> I'll do the transition tracker once it's in backports-landing, not before
[16:51] <soee> o/
[17:14] <acheronuk> great. :)
[17:16] <acheronuk> neon are just about to unleash Qt 5.7
[17:16] <acheronuk> packaged and in testing/release I think.
[17:19] <soee> aye
[17:22] <clivejo> have Neon apps released yet?
[17:32] <soee> most of them
[17:44] <acheronuk> their akonandi is still on 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu6, so they have avoided some of the probs we/you have with the apps staging
[17:46] <acheronuk> sorry, I mean't BOTH akonadi and PIM is still 15.12.3
[17:55] <clivejo> wonder why
[18:06] <soee> yes, they the ole office suite is not installed by defaut etc.
[18:07] <soee> kmail: 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1
[18:07] <soee> i think Riddell released several apps but not all - jsut the most importnt/often used
[18:09] <clivejo> Rick was talking about a Kubuntu Office edition, wonder did anything come of that
[18:10] <soee> what would be special in it ?
[18:11] <clivejo> it would be office edition!
[18:37]  * clivejo pokes LP just for the hell of it
[19:45] <jimarvan> back
[19:45] <jimarvan> hey guys how is it going?
[19:46] <soee> ger play it
[19:47] <jimarvan> oooh ye i forgot :(
[19:51] <soee> oh you ... :D
[19:52] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[19:52] <jimarvan> hey clivejo
[19:52] <clivejo> busy playing freecive
[19:52] <clivejo> ?
[19:52] <jimarvan> No cleaning my house
[19:52] <jimarvan> have a guest on Tuesday
[19:52] <jimarvan> karate session until 13:00 so quite tired
[19:53] <jimarvan> want me test anything? I have VBox open
[19:53] <clivejo> wonder did Simon manage to snap freeciv
[19:53] <jimarvan> :)
[19:53] <jimarvan> i would prefer to compile it old school
[19:53] <jimarvan> ;)
[19:54] <jimarvan> could you share on PM the source code for the kubuntu installer?
[19:54] <jimarvan> i did not save the bookmark :(
[19:55] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubiquity
[19:55] <jimarvan> thank you!
[19:57] <acheronuk> the kde ui part needs porting from PyQt5 to PyQt5
[19:57] <jimarvan> o.O?
[19:57] <acheronuk> good luck. I looked at that, and was just.... ???????
[19:58] <jimarvan> eeerrr from what to what?
[19:58] <jimarvan> xD
[19:58] <acheronuk> PyQt4 to PyQt5
[19:58] <jimarvan> you mean qt4?
[19:58] <jimarvan> yeah gotcha
[19:58] <acheronuk> typo
[19:58] <jimarvan> no worries
[19:58] <jimarvan> well i love challenges
[19:59] <jimarvan> we'll see
[19:59] <acheronuk> I could learn it, but fear I don't have the patience...
[19:59] <jimarvan> ye i know the feeling
[19:59] <acheronuk> Not just for that anyway.
[20:03] <acheronuk> I guess neon will have to do the same at some point, or switch to Calamares. So maybe a point of collaboration/learning?
[20:03] <acheronuk> Or that may just be a double JD talking....
[20:03] <jimarvan> that is what i tend to do
[20:03] <jimarvan> :D
[20:04] <jimarvan> i need first to have a look, see where i can stand on
[20:04] <jimarvan> and what I can tweak/suggest
[20:04] <jimarvan> then I will post it on KDE-neon forums and facebook
[20:04] <jimarvan> and see if something fruitfull comes up
[20:04] <jimarvan> sounds good?
[20:05] <jimarvan> but for now... FOOTBALL TIME :D
[20:05] <acheronuk> perhaps. I have no idea what they plan. if they plan anything.
[20:05] <jimarvan> my bets on Italy
[20:06] <acheronuk> is there football on? oh
[20:06] <jimarvan> 2nd half just started
[20:06] <jimarvan> hahasports ftw
[20:07] <acheronuk> like a lot of sports. just not football very much
[20:07] <jimarvan> i am more of a basketball fan
[20:08] <jimarvan> but since we won the euro in 2004, ye I am really interested
[20:08] <acheronuk> you lost me
[20:08] <jimarvan> European Champions 2004 UEFA football --> Greece
[20:10] <acheronuk> oh. crap. yes. was doing my PhD then and one of my supervisors was Greek!
[20:10] <jimarvan> it could be WALES in this one :>
[20:10] <jimarvan> they play sooo good
[20:10] <acheronuk> less likely things have come true
[20:24] <ahoneybun> clivejo: https://github.com/AIIX/Mycroft-Ai-QtApplication
[20:24] <jimarvan> :(
[20:57] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you gonna package it?
[20:59] <ahoneybun> not sure you could
[20:59] <ahoneybun> since it just has some files replacing files in Mycroft core
[21:03] <ahoneybun> clivejo: plus I can't seem to get it to work anyway
[21:03] <clivejo> so what is everyone up to?
[21:03] <ahoneybun> mm nothing?
[21:04] <jimarvan> watching the overtime of germany-italy :)
[21:04]  * soee hoping italy will take it :)
[21:05]  * jimarvan crosses fingers :D
[21:05]  * valorie is doing genealogy
[21:05] <clivejo> oh hi valorie
[21:05] <valorie> Ancestry.ca is free for one more day
[21:05] <valorie> :-)
[21:05]  * yofel 's disagreeing with soee :P
[21:05]  * clivejo growls
[21:05] <jimarvan> what's that?
[21:05] <clivejo> cant stand ancestry
[21:05] <soee> :D
[21:05] <jimarvan> valorie: ancestry.ca?
[21:05] <valorie> so I'm getting images for all my canucks, of which there are lots
[21:06] <clivejo> its Canada day or something?
[21:06] <jimarvan> :o
[21:07] <valorie> 'twas, yes
[21:07]  * jimarvan thinks we are heading for penalti shoutout
[21:07] <jimarvan> *penalty shootout
[21:07] <yofel> might happen, yeah :/
[21:07] <jimarvan> wish i had bet on it
[21:08] <yofel> ^^
[21:08]  * clivejo is mapping
[21:09] <soee> yakkety will use Qt 5.6 or 5.7 ?
[21:10] <yofel> 5.6 according to the plan
[21:12] <jimarvan> wtf are italians doing, if they keep getting yellow cards, they will noone to play in the semi final :P
[21:12] <jimarvan> *have
[21:23] <valorie> clivejo: they have all the images I need!
[21:23] <ahoneybun> jimarvan: jump into #kubuntu-offtopic with the sports :;)
[21:24]  * clivejo mutters under his breath
[21:25] <jimarvan> sorry xD
[21:25]  * jimarvan shuts up
[21:32] <ahoneybun> please do talk but in there XD
[21:33] <jimarvan> :-m
[21:33] <jimarvan> ;)
[21:44] <soee> :DDDDDDDDD
[21:44] <soee> both teams cant shoot
[21:44] <jimarvan> soee come kubuntu-offtopic xD
[21:46] <valorie> rofl
[21:47] <valorie> this is like a party where you really want to be in on two conversations on opposite sides of a room
[21:47] <valorie> devel talk in there..... football in here!
[21:47] <jimarvan> hahahaha
[21:47] <jimarvan> tell me what to do
[21:47] <jimarvan> xD
[21:48] <valorie> jimarvan: package quassel
[21:48] <valorie> lol
[21:49] <jimarvan> no way I love Konversation :(
[21:49] <valorie> me too
[21:49] <valorie> but some love quassel, and we used to distribute it on the ISO
[21:49] <jimarvan> I know :(
[21:50] <yofel> mamarley is packaging quassel
[21:51] <valorie> I've been a Konvi fan ever since I first used it
[21:51] <yofel> mamarley: any update on the bugfix SRU?
[21:51] <valorie> way back in the dark ages
[21:51] <valorie> I tried quassel, but it never converted me
[21:52] <yofel> *if* you use the dedicated core, it's sweet. If you don't, konversation's better
[21:53] <jimarvan> I don't know I always loved konversation customizations
[21:53] <valorie> right, and does someone offer the core as well?
[21:54] <yofel> some people are using mine, and I remember someone else here hosting one in the past
[21:54] <yofel> usually you'll need your own server though
[21:55] <valorie> yup
[21:55] <jimarvan> just curious, when did the change from Quassel to Konversation happened?
[21:55] <valorie> but I mean the core-package
[21:55] <jimarvan> was it based on Plasma 5 transition?
[21:55] <yofel> should've been with that
[21:55] <jimarvan> *happen
[21:55] <valorie> !info quassel-core
[21:56] <valorie> ok, offered
[21:56] <valorie> cool
[21:56] <ahoneybun> it's in there
[21:56] <valorie> jimarvan: when Konvi didn't make the jump to KDE4 fast enough
[21:56] <valorie> we went to Quassel
[21:56] <jimarvan> aha
[21:56] <ahoneybun> nope
[21:57] <ahoneybun> we went to Konverstion
[21:57] <ahoneybun> from Quassel
[21:57] <valorie> then we went back at the next LTS
[21:57] <ahoneybun> in 15.04 I think
[21:57] <valorie> ahoneybun: we started with konvi, back in the day
[21:57] <valorie> in kde3 days
[21:57] <valorie> or so
[21:57] <yofel> hm, kde3
[21:57] <ahoneybun> we have konvi in 16.04 as default
[21:58]  * valorie is old
[21:58] <yofel> I remember adept
[21:58] <jimarvan> ye i think i remember konv back then too. I was so happy to see it come back
[21:58] <yofel> *SIGH*
[21:58] <valorie> !info adept
[21:58] <valorie> gone with the wind, yofel
[21:58] <ahoneybun> yofel: what has Apps 16.04.2?
[21:58] <ahoneybun> backports-staging?
[21:58] <jimarvan> adept?
[21:58] <jimarvan> the package manager? :O
[21:58] <valorie> never worked for me
[21:58] <jimarvan> dude that was when? 6.06?
[21:59] <jimarvan> my first kubuntu ever?
[21:59] <jimarvan> xD
[21:59]  * jimarvan now feels old too....
[21:59] <yofel> why does kubuntu + package management + not working seem like a red line -.-
[21:59] <ahoneybun> I started with Ubuntu 10.04 I think
[21:59] <yofel> ahoneybun: some staging I think
[21:59] <ahoneybun> let me know so I can test
[21:59] <jimarvan> clivejo: is silent
[21:59] <jimarvan> someone poke him
[22:00] <ahoneybun> you just did
[22:00]  * yofel used kubuntu 7.04-8.04, then gnome 8.10-9.04, then kubuntu since 9.10 again
[22:00] <jimarvan> :D
[22:00] <clivejo> >:(
[22:00] <valorie> I used synaptic
[22:00] <jimarvan> sorry! :D
[22:00] <ahoneybun> valorie: can you log in to the website and proof the 5.6.5 article
[22:00] <valorie> until the lovely muon package manager became useful
[22:00] <ahoneybun> I know wire.k.org put it out but still
[22:00]  * ahoneybun uses cli
[22:00] <ahoneybun> apt all day
[22:00] <jimarvan> btw why Discover????? o.O
[22:01] <valorie> never liked the soft-store concepet
[22:01] <ahoneybun> I need to reboot
[22:01] <valorie> concept
[22:01] <yofel> because people seem to like app stores
[22:01] <jimarvan> -.-
[22:01] <valorie> well, now I use apt, but it took awhile to learn all the tricks
[22:03] <yofel> the problem is that pretty much all devs just use apt, not some clumsy GUI package manager, so that ends up being like the least tested piece of software...
[22:04] <valorie> right, I try to use it at least occasionally
[22:04] <valorie> and report bugs
[22:05] <jimarvan> Hmm should be high on focus
[22:05] <jimarvan> since it will be what new users will use the most
[22:05] <jimarvan> I will try to report bugs on it, most of what I caught deal with the updates
[22:07] <yofel> thanks
[22:08] <valorie> oh how I hate hate hate wordpress
[22:08] <valorie> how in bloody hell do I paste something in?
[22:08]  * jimarvan feels your pain
[22:10] <yofel> CTRL-V ?
[22:10]  * yofel is missing the context
[22:10] <valorie> nothing happens
[22:10] <valorie> probably blocked somehow....
[22:11] <yofel> possibly, did you properly copy it?
[22:11] <ahoneybun> would not be blocked
[22:12] <valorie> no, it won't copy either!!!!
[22:12] <valorie> gah
[22:12] <jimarvan> hmm
[22:12] <ahoneybun> ctrl-c might not copied right
[22:12] <valorie> tested by trying to paste into a text file
[22:12] <ahoneybun> <3 wordpress
[22:12] <jimarvan> does copy through the mouse work?
[22:12] <valorie> anyway, we need info about how to enable backports in there
[22:12] <jimarvan> (doubtefely i know)
[22:12]  * valorie uses no mouse
[22:12] <yofel> I like the wordpress admin UI, I passionately dislike the code
[22:13]  * jimarvan thinks you must have lots of cats
[22:13] <valorie> ha, my cat brought in a LIVE MOUSE days ago
[22:13] <valorie> and now it is somewhere
[22:13] <valorie> who knows where
[22:13] <jimarvan> xD
[22:13] <valorie> dead? alive? she doesn't care
[22:14] <jimarvan> typical cats just playing with them
[22:15] <jimarvan> hmm you could try with cut
[22:16] <valorie> I got it
[22:16] <valorie> not sure what blocked copy for awhile
[22:16] <valorie> %MCEPASTEBIN% is what I got
[22:16] <valorie> most strange
[22:17] <valorie> anyway, ahoneybun -- that needs a bit of gussying up, but the text is find now
[22:17] <valorie> fine
[22:17] <valorie> aka: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-3/ that blue bar with the ppa name is cool lookin'
[22:18] <valorie> hmm, it wouldn't let me save my draft
[22:19] <ahoneybun> odd
[22:19] <ahoneybun> I added that bluebar
[22:19] <valorie> cool
[22:20] <valorie> maybe because we were editing at the same time?
[22:20] <ahoneybun> I just logged in now
[22:20] <valorie> anyway, all I added was how to add backports
[22:20] <ahoneybun> oh I took that from the 5.3 post
[22:21] <valorie> great!
[22:21] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking of linking to the current docs we have
[22:21] <valorie> I can see you are editing now
[22:21] <ahoneybun> but I wrote it using Discover
[22:26] <ahoneybun> valorie: what do you think?
[22:26] <ahoneybun> currently links to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[22:26] <ahoneybun> from 5.3
[22:26] <valorie> sure
[22:27] <valorie> easier than trying to explain over and over
[22:27] <valorie> which heck -- it's easier in the cli
[22:27] <valorie> once I discovered how easy it is in the cli I never went back
[22:27] <valorie> except to test
[22:28] <valorie> which is why I think we should always include instructions for that..... so quick and easy
[22:28] <ahoneybun> well both have discover lol
[22:28] <ahoneybun> going with mine as they are current and pretty lol
[22:29] <ahoneybun> publishing now
[22:30] <ahoneybun> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-5-and-frameworks-5-23-now-in-backports-for-kubuntu-16-04/
[22:30] <ahoneybun> done
[22:30] <jimarvan> :)
[22:31] <mamarley> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1589128
[22:32] <clivejo> yofel: are frameworks and plasma staging ppa's free?
[22:33] <clivejo> ie can I wipe them
[22:33] <clivejo> oh and should we tag plasma 5.6.5 before starting 5.7 beta?
[22:35] <valorie> great, thanks ahoneybun
[22:36] <ahoneybun> np valorie o/
[22:40] <valorie> o/ from sunny Washington
[22:41] <yofel> clivejo: from my side: yes
[22:41] <yofel> hm
[22:42] <yofel> yes, please tag it
[22:42] <yofel> just so we're on the safe side should we need it
[22:42] <yofel> good idea
[22:42] <clivejo> Ill need instructions on how to do that
[22:42] <yofel> technically you could just run the archive upload script
[22:43]  * clivejo is mapping away in Pomeroy
[22:43] <yofel> otherwise just script-run update UNRELEASED to yakkety, and script-run git-tagpkg
[22:51] <jimarvan> see ya tomorrow peeps good night!
[22:51] <valorie> niters jimarvan


[01:23] <n1ckn4me09876543> where will I find the Chromium file?  you know.. to open it up,  cuz I'm using this program Data Crow and there's an option for Default Browser and I have to look for the chromium file
[01:24] <Unit193> /usr/bin/chromium-browser, but I didn't know either, I used   `which chromium-browser`
[01:24] <Unit193> Also, you can find it with dpkg -L chromium-browser |grep bin
[01:26] <n1ckn4me09876543> yea it seems to be the folder but thnx im gonna look into that
[01:27] <n1ckn4me09876543> nvm its not its the file
[01:27] <n1ckn4me09876543> ty
[01:33] <IVM> the task bar as been deleted, how do i get it back?
[01:34] <kanliot> lxde, right?
[01:34] <IVM> yes
[01:35] <kanliot> but you still have a panel at the bottom right?
[01:35] <IVM> no
[01:35] <kanliot> nothing?:
[01:36] <IVM> nothing at all
[01:36] <kanliot> what if you launch lxpanel
[01:36] <kanliot> ?
[01:36] <kanliot> i can help you do that if you need help
[01:36] <kanliot> actually i need to step out for a few mins
[01:36] <kanliot> brb
[01:37] <IVM> slright
[01:37] <IVM> aright
[01:37] <wxl> oh i think i can help you fix this
[01:37] <wxl> hold on
[01:38] <Unit193> Delete the lxpanel folder in .config or whatnot.
[01:38] <wxl> well
[01:38] <Unit193> :D
[01:40] <wxl> and restart, yes?
[01:40] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart
[01:40] <wxl> or if that doesn't work, killall lxpanel && lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[01:45] <IVM> can't i open the terminal a type something there?
[01:46] <kanliot> type alt-f2
[01:46] <kanliot> then lxterminal in the box
[01:47] <kanliot> those 2 things should get you a terminal up
[01:50] <kanliot> actually we should have asked him if the problem persisted after he logged out
[01:50] <kanliot> that would have made  more sense
[01:50] <kanliot> or he can just quit
[01:58] <KM0201> any fixes for flash not working in chromium?
[01:59] <kanliot> is ubuntu-restricted extras package installed?
[01:59] <KM0201> of course
[02:06] <Unit193> Purge flashplugin-installer, install adobeflash-plugin from partner.
[02:07] <Unit193> Or, use Chrome, it's almost the same but comes with pepper.
[02:09] <KM0201> Unit193: ok.. lemme try that
[02:10] <KM0201> how do you purge via command line? (i'm on my sisters PC via ssh right now)
[02:10] <wxl> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer ← KM0201
[02:10] <KM0201> wxl: i thought thats what it was, but wasn't sure
[02:11] <wxl> then of course sudo apt-get install adobeflash-plugin
[02:11] <KM0201> lol :)
[02:11] <wxl> ;)
[02:11] <Unit193> May not have the partner repo, not by default.
[02:11] <KM0201> hmm, i'll check
[02:46] <KM0201> well, that didn't fix it
[02:46] <KM0201> what i ended up doing...
[02:46] <KM0201> uninstalled all versions of flash.
[02:46] <KM0201> downloaded flash from adobe.com
[02:47] <KM0201> created a folder inside /.mozilla/firefox called "plugins" and put the libflashplayer.so inside that folder.
[02:47] <KM0201> flash works fine now.
[02:48] <kanliot> :)
[06:24] <CrazyGangster> What should I do if my screen freezes while im playing flash videos in fullscreen mode?
[06:27] <CrazyGangster> I switch to tty1 and execute "openbox --restart" but i get the msg "Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable."
[08:45] <Guest8148> #nicksetup
[17:18] <CrazyGangster> What should do when my screen freezes while Im playing flash videos in fullscreen mode?
[17:18] <CrazyGangster> I switch to tty1 and execute "openbox --restart" but i get the msg "Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable."
[17:19] <wxl> well, admittedly, tty1 isn't running x ;)
[17:20] <wxl> instead i'd kill flash
[17:20] <wxl> CrazyGangster: ^
[17:21] <CrazyGangster> you kown the flash process name?
[17:21] <wxl> depends on how you have your flash set up
[17:21] <wxl> but you could just kill your browser
[17:22] <CrazyGangster> dont work, i still got a black screen :(
[17:25] <CrazyGangster> the only thing i can do is "service lightdm restart" but it will close all my programs...
[17:27] <wxl> that's strange
[17:27] <wxl> maybe some sort of video problem
[17:27] <wxl> you did killall chromium-browser?
[17:28] <wxl> cuz ther ewill be multiple processes to chromium
[17:29] <wxl> what flash do you have?
[17:29] <wxl> and what browser?
[17:29] <wxl> CrazyGangster: ^
[17:30] <CrazyGangster> im using opera
[17:31] <wxl> yikes
[17:31] <wxl> don't know what to tell you there :)
[17:31] <CrazyGangster> i use "killall opera"
[17:31] <KM0201> i would use a browser that doesn't suck.
[17:32] <wxl> hey, i was going to say that, but didn't want to be mean, KM0201 ;)
[17:32] <KM0201> lol
[17:32] <Unit193> Hey, you don't see me telling everyone using chomium that.
[17:32] <KM0201> Opera used to be good, now, it's so bloated it's almost as bad as IE.
[17:32] <wxl> doh it's getting hot in here now

[17:33] <CrazyGangster> opera have far better perfomance in my machine...
[17:33] <KM0201> meh, except chromium doens't suck.
[17:33] <KM0201> CrazyGangster: there's no way.
[17:33] <wxl> googling i've seen people recommend all sorts of things
[17:33] <KM0201> i do like Opera's speed dial... so i was happy to see a chrome plugin for that
[17:33] <wxl> CrazyGangster: you might want to try completely purging opera and flash and then reinstalling them
[17:34] <Unit193> And what flash package do you have?
[17:34] <CrazyGangster> maybe but im not sure if will fix the problem
[17:35] <wxl> CrazyGangster: it is more likely to fix the problem than chatting about it on irc.
[17:35] <CrazyGangster> ok ok
[17:35] <CrazyGangster> i will do that
[17:36] <CrazyGangster> Unit193: how i can check that info?
[17:36] <Unit193> dpkg -l |grep flash
[17:37] <wxl> ^^ not necessarily true if using, e.g. gnash
[17:37] <CrazyGangster> ii  mint-flashplugin                       2011.10.19                                                                   Metapackage for Adobe Flash plugin
[17:37] <CrazyGangster> ii  mint-flashplugin-11                    <IP_ADDRESS>                                                                   Adobe Flash plugin 11
[17:38] <wxl> mint?!
[17:39] <wxl> i swear, we need to start asking people what distro they're using :/
[17:39] <Unit193> wxl: Gnash doesn't count.
[17:39] <Unit193> And mint isn't supported here, so it's assumed to be Lubuntu.
[17:40] <wxl> wellllllllllllllll how do you get mint-flashplugin without using the mint repos? and why do you use mint repos if you're not using mint? i mean it's possible, but…
[17:41] <valdur55> CrazyGangster, disable Hardware Accelation ... (maybe I mispelled it)
[17:43] <valdur55> CrazyGangster, http://www.alaskavrtours.com/flash-bug.php
[17:43] <CrazyGangster> valdur55: oh ok now i get it
[17:44] <CrazyGangster> i will try
[18:42] <MissVera> Ahem.     ...  Help? :D
[18:42] <Unit193> !ask
[18:43] <MissVera> ...Really? I just wanted an opinion. Good to know you've got bindings ready to go though.
[18:44] <wxl> oh, you want an opinion? ok, mine is: "i don't like it."
[18:44] <pmatulis> i think MissVera was referring to an informed opinion
[18:45] <wxl> that *IS* my informed opinion. of something.
[18:45] <wxl> kind of like the query. it's about SOMETHING. don't know *WHAT*, but…
[18:46] <MissVera> The people in Puppy were much nicer... I guess I'll uninstall lubuntu and go with that instead.  Im trying to convert from windows to linux, but some of you guys are just...  So Much Fun.
[18:46] <pmatulis> that's a bit extreme wxl.  let MissVera speak

[18:47] <pmatulis> oh well
[18:47] <pmatulis> puppy it is
[18:47]  * wxl shrugs
[18:49] <Unit193> Wanted an opinion, of what?  And overreaction isn't my favorite. :/
[18:49] <wxl> i agree
[18:49] <wxl> sorry, if you get offended because of being told to ask a question, too bad
[18:51] <bioterror> hey guys
[18:51] <bioterror> you need to be more sensitive with these nicks that has "miss" :D
[18:53] <pmatulis> more sensitive with any nick really
[18:54] <wxl> → #lubuntu-offtopic
[18:59] <bioterror> pmatulis, nah, just with chicks ;)
[19:00] <bioterror> becouse that wasnt first time :D
[19:00] <pmatulis> bioterror: yeah, some people don't get it yet... :D
[19:41] <angrysheep> hrm, so i just installed mate on my lubuntu and i'd have to say i like it a lot so far.
[19:47] <kanliot> angrysheep, yeah i like mate a lot
[19:48] <kanliot> if i switched to anything i'd switch to mate
[19:48] <kanliot> and actually it seems like a good idea now
[19:48] <angrysheep> well upon loggin in i cant get my sounds to work
[19:48] <angrysheep> im playing around trying to solve it now
[19:49] <kanliot> have you suddenly gone deaf?  check that
[19:49] <angrysheep> im guessing its because im still using lxde packages
[19:49] <Unit193> Except mate isn't a supported desktop of Ubuntu.
[19:50] <angrysheep> you can add repos and apt-get
[19:50] <angrysheep> mint is based off ubuntu
[19:50] <Unit193> Yes, but it's still unsupported.
[19:51] <angrysheep> there is always ways to make it work ;)