[07:21] <tjaalton> hi, the mesa vulkan-mir.patch broke radv (radeon vulkan) driver. I'll drop the patch unless it's fixed "soon"
[07:22] <tjaalton> last I heard it doesn't work on intel either
[11:09] <alan_g> tjaalton: I don't expect to find time to understand and fix the vulkan patches, unless some mysterious stranger volunteers go ahead and drop them.
[11:27] <alan_g> Son_Goku: did you ever find a clue how to recreate your build error?
[11:32] <Son_Goku> alan_g, I'm trying on a different computer now
[11:32] <Son_Goku> if I can't reproduce it there, then fuck if I know what's happening
[12:20] <tjaalton> alan_g: ok, thanks
[12:20] <tjaalton> can be revisited later
[12:24] <Son_Goku> alan_g, any progress on fixing the gmock detection?
[12:25] <alan_g> Not yet reached the top of my list
[12:55] <Son_Goku> alan_g, yep, basically there's something wrong with my computer
[12:56] <Son_Goku> it works on another one of my computers just fine
[12:57] <alan_g> I'm still curious how your computer can pick on that one test case. But I'll try not to worry.
[12:59] <Son_Goku> the main difference is that my regular graphical user is ngompa, I sudo to makerpm user (which is a member of the mock group) and run mock there
[14:40] <alan_g> Son_Goku: is there a Fedora 28 image around? (I only see Fedora 27 beta on getfedora)
[14:42] <Son_Goku> alan_g: https://www.happyassassin.net/nightlies.html
[14:42] <Son_Goku> download one of the green links under the Fedora Rawhide column
[14:42] <alan_g> thanks
[14:43] <Son_Goku> alternatively, you can install 27 and upgrade it to rawhide
[14:43] <Son_Goku> I just did that yesterday and that worked pretty well
[14:43] <Son_Goku> you'll want an ISO that's within the last month or so
[14:44] <Son_Goku> if it's too old, then it's probably not going to be the Rawhide that will be Fedora 28
[14:45] <alan_g> A recent 27 I already have in a VM. (Just need to figure out how to upgrade.)
[14:45] <Son_Goku> that's easy
[14:45] <Son_Goku> first, are you fully up to date?
[14:46] <Son_Goku> not that it matters, but it makes things a bit smoother
[14:46] <alan_g> I was on Monday
[14:47] <Son_Goku> okay, then you're fine for the next step
[14:48] <Son_Goku> sudo dnf --refresh --releasever=rawhide --nogpgcheck distro-sync
[14:48] <Son_Goku> you'll want to do this in either a tmux session or in a VT so that if your graphical session dies, it doesn't break
[14:48] <Son_Goku> it doesn't happen often, but it can
[14:51] <alan_g> Not really a problem. I cloned it so I keep 27 around too.
[14:52] <Son_Goku> cool :)
[14:53] <Son_Goku> alan_g: I also emailed you a WIP (aka still broken) attempt at fixing it, perhaps you can use it to help get it fully working
[14:54] <alan_g> Son_Goku: Got it, thanks.


[05:13] <tgraupmann> How often does the web catelog update?
[05:13] <tgraupmann> We added Gravi a few days ago which shows on Ubuntu Software Center, but not on the online software center...
[05:13] <tgraupmann> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/
[05:14] <tgraupmann> seems out of date


[08:39] <artur-at-work> Hello, can somebody help to sponsor this bug and move it in the queue?
[08:39] <artur-at-work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/2042902
[08:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2042902 in OEM Priority Project "ucm2: soundwire: add rt713 SDCA device" [Critical, New]
[12:33] <paride> @pilot in
[14:01] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[14:03] <tsimonq2> paride: Hey! I'm just going to take some of the trivial syncs (hjd's to start) and go from there. I don't have much time to dedicate today, but feel free to coordinate if you're actively in the cockpit. ✈ 👨 🎉
[14:09] <tsimonq2> bandali: Heya! Please be aware of bug 2043306, and thank you for your efforts in getting that uploaded to Debian!
[14:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2043306 in tepl (Ubuntu) "Sync tepl 6.8.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043306
[14:10] <tsimonq2> bandali: Not sure how your mail filters work, but I've subscribed you to the bug on Launchpad. :)
[14:12] <tsimonq2> Looking at bug 2043448, this may be the last of it for me today.
[14:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2043448 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] nemos-dev-key" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043448
[14:22] <paride> hi and thanks tsimonq2!
[14:23] <paride> waveform, hi, I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/1097467. AIUI you are adding a quilt patch, to be applied in the patch series after man-bashrc.diff, and that partially undoes what man-bashrc.diff, plus adding some clarification lines.
[14:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1097467 in bash (Ubuntu) "bash does not fulfill --rcfile option properly" [Low, Confirmed]
[14:24] <paride> waveform, is my understanding correct?
[14:33] <tsimonq2> paride: Of course. :)
[14:35] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[14:35]  * tsimonq2 hands paride a cup of coffee
[14:36] <tsimonq2> Your plane. :D
[14:48] <waveform> paride, you're correct -- largely to keep our diff simple. Upstream (in Debian) I've proposed the "correct" way of doing it, but obviously that's harder to review. However, if that lands, then in our subsequent merge it'll be a trivial matter of dropping the extra diff and keeping their revised one
[14:54] <paride> waveform, right. I was wondering if there's still value in keeping that original diff at all, but parts of it are still useful, e.g. the part about /etc/bash.bashrc, which is enabled in another Debian patch
[14:59] <waveform> paride, indeed -- the original diff adds documentating about /etc/bashrc.bash because SYS_BASHRC isn't an option that's enabled by default and apparently bash upstream's position is "[t]he bash manual doesn't say anything
[14:59] <waveform> about SYS_BASHRC, since it's a feature that's not compiled in by default" !
[14:59] <waveform> *s/documenting/documentation/
[15:11] <paride> waveform, I'm fine with your proposal and I'll sponsor shortly
[15:11] <paride> doko, btw this is why I was asking for the upstream (Debian) packaging repo ^^
[16:01] <dbungert> @pilot in
[16:15] <dbungert> paride: I'm starting with LP: #1508290
[16:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1508290 in zemberek-ooo (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] zemberek-ooo: FTBFS: /usr/lib/libreoffice/ure-link/share/java does not exist" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508290
[16:15] <paride> dbungert, hi, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ladvd/+bug/1991909 now and this will be me last bug for today
[16:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1991909 in ladvd (Ubuntu) "[SRU] ladvd FTBFS: error: ‘MAXPATHLEN’ undeclared" [Undecided, New]
[16:19] <paride> sudip, hi! around?
[16:29] <dbungert> SRU team, are bare FTBFS fixes considered?  I see on the wiki that they are "usually" paired with another bugfix.
[16:34] <paride> dbungert, I'm also looking at a bare ftbfs. Maybe the right way is tagging the bug block-proposed-<series> to stage it?
[16:39] <dbungert> sounds reasonable
[17:08] <smoser1> Hi. I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#Testing_against_a_PPA . I submitted a request to test lvm2 from smoser/ppa . i saw it running. I came looking for results but am getting AccessDenied. I'm guessing it is luser error.
[17:08] <smoser> I get access denied at https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/results/autopkgtest-noble-smoser-ppa/?format=plain
[17:08] <smoser> (i am still logged in after having done the request)
[17:09] <paride> @pilot out
[17:12] <paride> smoser, hi. Likely not luser error, there are currently issues with logs access, see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/autopkgtest-service/34490
[17:13] <paride> smoser, however the failure mode here is somehow different
[17:15] <paride> andersson123, is that AccessDenied error ^^ familiar to you?
[17:20] <smoser> paride: thanks, it was workign last week for me.
[17:20] <smoser> (march post seems out of date). hmm.
[17:20] <paride> smoser, it's a pinned post that gets edited
[17:21] <paride> smoser, last week is when the migration to new infra began
[17:22] <andersson123> Hm, access denied bug is new to me, but I haven't been looking at ppa tests recently. I've just been focusing on making the logs etc work for distro containers
[17:23] <andersson123> I'll check to see if your container exists and what the problem is. Is this a p
[17:23] <andersson123> "private" test?
[17:24] <smoser> there is no private data. it is "private" in that i ran against a ppa (a publicly available ppa)
[17:24] <smoser> made request to start with https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi ?release=noble&arch=amd64&package=lvm2&ppa=smoser/ppa&trigger=lvm2/2.03.16-2ubuntu2%7Eppa5
[17:32] <andersson123> thanks, looking
[17:48] <andersson123> smoser: Your logs should all now be accessible.
[17:49] <smoser> +1. thank you andersson123
[17:50] <andersson123> your ppa doesn't contain security fixes or anything right?
[17:51] <andersson123> we're having an issue with the read access on new containers, so I want to make sure I'm giving appropriate access
[18:03] <smoser> well, i'm having some toher issues now. downloaded the artifacts (thank you), made a change. and now i'm failing to 'dput'.
[18:03] <smoser> i thought "oh, maybe its a space thing", deleted a bunch of stuff and get timeout error on launchpadp ( (Error ID: OOPS-d02d229c573217dc774ab0a6bfead5d0)
[18:04] <smoser> dput giving errors like:
[18:04] <smoser> Uploading to ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
[18:04] <smoser>   Uploading lvm2_2.03.16-2ubuntu2~ppa6.dsc: 550 Requested action not taken: internal server error
[18:12] <andersson123> Uploading to launchpad right? This isn't happening on autopkgtest.ubuntu.com? or it is ?
[18:18] <smoser> uploading to launchpad, yes. just with dput ppa:smoser/ppa
[18:18] <smoser> (sorry)
[18:24] <andersson123> gotcha, thought so
[18:26] <tsimonq2> smoser, andersson123: Last night I asked cjwatson about not being able to upload to ssh-ppa (yes, that's a thing), and he indicated there have been some updates to that infrastructure. We might want to follow up in #launchpad if you're continuing to have issues.
[18:26] <ahasenack> I *think* it's fixed now
[18:26] <ahasenack> I just dput'ed to noble. Haven't tried a ppa yet
[18:26] <tsimonq2> They're actually two separate services, from what I heard yesterday.
[18:27] <ahasenack> (but was getting the 503 error with a ppa earlier today)
[18:27] <ahasenack> ok
[18:27] <tsimonq2> e.g. ssh-ubuntu (yes, this is also a thing) was working fine, but not ssh-ppa.
[18:27] <tsimonq2> *shrug* something's up :)
[18:29] <andersson123> btw, if anyone has the same issue as smoser (AccessDenied when trying to view your logs/artifacts from ppa test) ping me in ubuntu-quality.
[18:30] <cjwatson> smoser: ftp to ppa.l.n is still a known issue post-redeployment, yes.  one of my colleagues is working on it
[18:30] <cjwatson> ssh is fixed, ftp is flaky.
[18:31] <cjwatson> (but I stress flaky - the nature of the bug is that it may work sometimes depending on load)
[18:31] <tsimonq2> SSH is better anyway. ;)
[18:31] <smoser> cjwatson: thats a fine answer. i'm not trying to be a pain. it did work last week (pushing to ppa/smoser nobel builds). i guess i didn't know about 'ssh-ppa'.
[18:32] <smoser>  #problemSolved <-- thanks.  'luser' error.
[18:32] <cjwatson> well, I'd disagree, it's definitely an infrastructure issue.
[18:32] <smoser>  (user used near century old file transfer mechanism)
[18:32] <smoser> thanks again.
[18:33] <cjwatson> we just redeployed ppa.launchpad.net on VMs two LTSes newer than previously and with a rather different architecture for the publisher/upload-processor arrangements
[18:33] <cjwatson> it would almost have been surprising if there _weren't_ some teething issues
[18:33] <cjwatson> also a complete rewrite of the deployment arrangements
[21:18] <dbungert> @pilot out


[00:40]  * thumper has a meeting with a bank person...
[00:40] <thumper> afk for a bit
[00:47]  * perrito666 afk for the night, c u all
[00:53] <babbageclunk> menn0: review plz? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6827
[01:47]  * redir eods
[02:07] <axw> wallyworld: can you please see my comments on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6795
[02:08] <wallyworld> sure
[02:16] <wallyworld> axw: commented
[02:16] <wallyworld> see if you think extracting assertDestroy is worthwhile
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld: ta
[02:43] <wallyworld> thumper: back?
[02:43] <thumper> yeah
[02:43] <thumper> trying to work out why this fucking test is failing
[02:43] <wallyworld> can you PTAL at that PR?
[02:43] <wallyworld> i've fixed the things
[02:44] <thumper> yeah
[02:44] <wallyworld> ta. sorry
[02:46] <thumper> wallyworld: lgtm
[02:46] <wallyworld> great tyvm
[02:48] <wallyworld> axw: if you get a chance at some stage, would love a review on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6819. Once that's in, cmr is good enough (behind the flag) to share out a bit for feedback
[02:48] <axw> wallyworld: okey dokey, will look shortly
[02:48] <wallyworld> no rush
[02:50] <thumper> ugh...
[02:51] <thumper> pretty sure this timing issue is due to clock.After(0) and the testing clock
[02:59] <thumper> hmm... no?
[03:57] <babbageclunk> thumper or someone else? I think menn0's busy. Could you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6827 plzthx?
[03:59] <babbageclunk> axw, anastasiamac? ^
[03:59] <axw> babbageclunk: will do, just reviewing wallyworld's one atm
[04:00] <babbageclunk> axw: ok thanks!
[04:10] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: since axw will b looking, I'll skip :D
[04:11] <axw> babbageclunk: reviewed
[04:11] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: eminently sensible :)
[04:11] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks!
[04:11] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: i'd question both :0 but nice that u think so
[04:12] <anastasiamac> axw: babbageclunk: i like "adopt"... makes it sound almost humanitarian and benevolent
[04:13] <axw> anastasiamac: :p
[04:13] <axw> can't have those instances roaming the streets
[04:13] <anastasiamac> unfed, unclothed...
[04:13] <axw> pick a pocket or two
[04:14] <babbageclunk> axw, anastasiamac: I think I'm ok with AdoptInstances (although in this case it's a bit more like "here, you take them!")
[04:14] <babbageclunk> which, who hasn't felt like that sometimes?
[04:14] <anastasiamac> fostering does not have the same 'share the love" feel
[04:15] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: i didnt, until recently
[04:17] <axw> foistering? :)
[04:18] <axw> I need to take a break from punning, working up a sweat here. lunch time
[04:19] <babbageclunk> axw: That's some solid work!
[04:41] <menn0> babbageclunk: did you still need a review?
[04:45] <babbageclunk> menn0: no thanks, axw gave me a better review anyway!
[04:45] <babbageclunk> ;)
[04:45] <menn0> babbageclunk: ouch!
[04:45]  * menn0 will remember to be nasty on his next review for babbageclunk
[04:45]  * babbageclunk d'ohs
[05:27] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: Want to look at this one? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6829 (or axw)
[05:33] <axw> babbageclunk: reviewed
[05:40] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks! Yes, SetOwnerData will preserve keys that aren't set - I've updated the comment.
[05:40] <axw> babbageclunk: thanks
[07:38] <wallyworld> axw: can i get comment access to that storage doc?
[07:39] <axw> wallyworld: sorry, one sec
[07:39] <axw> wallyworld: try now
[07:39] <wallyworld> ta
[07:39] <axw> wallyworld: there's a question from james beedy on your PR if you haven't seen
[07:40] <wallyworld> axw: not yet, been out talking to anastasia and looking at specs
[09:05] <axw> wallyworld: I think I've addressed all of your comments in the doc, thanks for the review/comments. Would appreciate another look - I'm heading out shortly, so it can wait till tomorrow
[09:21] <rogpeppe> axw: hiya
[09:22] <rogpeppe> axw, wallyworld: do you know if the juju master branch is used any more?
[09:28] <anastasiamac> rogpeppe: it's meant to b releasable (for next release) but is not at this stage
[09:28] <anastasiamac> rogpeppe: why?
[09:29] <anastasiamac> rogpeppe: if u have smth for 2.2, it goes into develop, otherwise each release has it's branch 2.0, 2.1, etc
[09:29] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac: the last commit was in october
[09:29] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac: i thought it would be more up to date than the version branches
[09:29] <anastasiamac> rogpeppe: yes, there is a new dev process in place; we/ve benn releasing from staging
[09:30] <anastasiamac> rogpeppe: master is kind of "reserved"; we need to promote to it from develop>staging>master once we have a bless and passing tests
[09:38] <jam> perrito666: if you're around I have another 'juju show-status-log' question. Specifically, the last step is putting the machine into an error status, and that doesn't seem to be shown in the status log
[09:38] <jam> only the 'pending' entries are
[09:41] <jam> perrito666: also wide entries in 'message' cause all lines to wrap
[09:46] <jam> perrito666: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1657383
[09:46] <mup> Bug #1657383: juju show-status-log wraps all entries if one is too wide <show-status-log> <ui> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1657383>
[09:58] <jam> perrito666: maybe its a throttling thing, but I see 4 messages in 'juju debug-log' but only 2 in 'juju show-status-log' https://pastebin.canonical.com/176285/
[09:58] <jam> wallyworld: ^^
[10:36] <rogpeppe> this PR fixes the logging on API connect so that it doesn't print misleading errors: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6830
[10:37] <rogpeppe> jam: I think you reviewed the change that started printing the errors - you might want to take a look at this ^
[10:38] <rogpeppe> macgreagoir: likewise ^
[10:38] <jam> rogpeppe: your !a.HasNext() means that certError may be a nil object in the next print statement
[10:38] <jam> in the Debugf
[10:39] <jam> ah, its a bool not an actual error
[10:39] <rogpeppe> jam: perhaps i should rename it isCertErr
[10:39] <jam> rogpeppe: that might help, but I'm also wondering about the format string.
[10:40] <jam> error dialing (certificate error: true): blah
[10:40] <jam> vs
[10:40] <jam> error dialing (certificate error: false): blah
[10:40] <jam> I'm not sure if there is actual value in knowing about the certificate error status
[10:40] <rogpeppe> jam: yeah, probably not. i just left it there because that PR seemed to find it useful
[10:41] <rogpeppe> jam: it should be fairly obvious from the error message tbh
[10:41] <jam> rogpeppe: right. I'd like us to actually look at that instead
[10:41] <jam> rogpeppe: and then the comment needs updating
[10:41] <rogpeppe> jam: i'll remove that, which makes the code exactly what it was before, i think
[10:41] <jam> eg: // we won't retry anymore. Either this is a certificate error, or we're out of attempts
[10:41] <rogpeppe> jam: before PR #6620
[10:43] <jam> rogpeppe: that would indicate that the errors *aren't* clear.
[10:43] <rogpeppe> jam: sorry, what would indicate that?
[10:43] <rogpeppe> jam: AFAIK all those x509 errors include the string "x509" in them
[10:43] <jam> rogpeppe: PR 6620 would indicate that it was added because the error messages weren't clear
[10:44] <rogpeppe> jam: the thing is that nothing outside of that code really cares whether it's a cert error or not
[10:44] <rogpeppe> jam: the diagnosis is only used so we can abort early
[10:45] <rogpeppe> jam: so unless you're specifically debugging that code, it's probably not worth making a deal of it
[10:46] <rogpeppe> jam: the new "will retry" message should make it more obvious when a certificate-like error is being inappropriately retried
[10:46] <jam> rogpeppe: so if it was helpful for context of someone working around there, it is likely to be helpful to someone trying to help someone else who's having a problem.
[10:46] <rogpeppe> jam: so you you now think that showing whether it's a cert error is worth doing?
[10:47] <jam> rogpeppe: I don't think the Annotation difference is necessary, but I think we want to keep something about certificate in the logged message, yes
[10:47] <rogpeppe> jam: so what would you suggest to change in the current PR?
[10:48] <jam> rogpeppe: would "bad certificate" be clearer than "certificate error: true" ?
[10:48] <rogpeppe> jam: i think that could be misleading
[10:49] <rogpeppe> jam: the error string should say what the actual issue is - the important thing from the p.o.v. of that message is whether it was classified as a cert error, i think
[10:49] <jam> rogpeppe: btw, you missed cfg.Location on the new Debugf
[10:50] <rogpeppe> jam: good catch, fixed
[10:50] <jam> rogpeppe: I take it you didn't actually run it to see the messages were helpful.
[10:50] <jam> example output helps in this situation
[10:50] <jam> I'm happy with the change to Debugf
[10:51] <jam> I'm not 100% sure how to succinctly convey whether it was a certificate error.
[10:51] <jam> the rest LGTM
[10:51] <rogpeppe> jam: tbh i think that if you're trying to debug it, it'll be obvious in almost all cases whether it was a cert error - if it wasn't a cert error, it'll retry
[10:52] <rogpeppe> jam: unless it's timed out, which is unlikely to happen immediately
[10:52] <jam> rogpeppe: so, as *I* haven't been trying to debug it, but macgreagoir did, I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
[10:53] <rogpeppe> jam: here's some sample output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23821416/
[10:54] <jam> rogpeppe: I have to say "certificate error true" doesn't help much when the error is ... cannot validate certificate...
[10:55] <jam> rogpeppe: its also redundant to put the cfg.Location when that's also in the error
[10:55] <rogpeppe> jam: it might when the error is "x509: failed to load system roots and no roots provided"
[10:55] <jam> I wonder if that is normally true
[10:56] <rogpeppe> jam: looks like it is
[10:56] <jam> rogpeppe: as you say, x509 probably gives enough context, and I *am* concerned about having errors that don't feel like garbage to read. Always embedding the Location makes it just look like nobody has ever read any of our debug output
[10:57] <jam> rogpeppe: is that always true for x509, or true always? Like will plain Dial also have the URL?
[10:58] <rogpeppe> jam: looks like it's true for all websocket dials
[10:58] <macgreagoir> rogpeppe jam: I can't remember the bug I was debugging when I separated the x509 errors. It seemed useful at the time, so I left it in. If it happens not to be useful, please roll it out.
[10:58] <jam> hi macgreagoir. thanks. all the ones that I've seen so far also have that information in the error, so it feels redundant.
[10:59] <jam> macgreagoir: though the problem with errors is that its hard to know if you've seen 'all' of them
[10:59] <jam> rogpeppe: I'm tempted to take out the cfg.Location, though because we're dialing multiple locations, if you ever get one without that context you're lost
[10:59] <jam> (what dial failed)
[11:00] <rogpeppe> jam: one possibility would be to remove the websocket.DialError wrapper, then always add the context
[11:01] <rogpeppe> jam: but that's probably more logic than i'd ideally want to add for a fairly superficial thing
[11:02] <jam> rogpeppe: so on one hand its 'not a big deal', on the other it is potentially one of your first interactions, which is why you're dropping it to debug anyway
[11:02] <rogpeppe> jam: websocket.DialConfig always returns a *websocket.DialError
[11:10] <rogpeppe> jam: output now looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23821568/
[11:10] <rogpeppe> jam: i've updated the PR
[12:11] <wallyworld> jam: sorry, missed your msg, was out to dinner. my recollection is that throttling could account for the observed behaviour, if it is not smart enough to account for message content as well as status value itself. without looking into it, i'd have to ask horatio
[12:12] <jam> wallyworld: I'm wondering if we should be throttling at all, given we're starting to make active use of it ourselves.
[12:13] <jam> wallyworld: anyawy, I'm happy to talk to perrito666 instead, he just needs to wake up. :)
[12:13] <jam> wallyworld: I hope you enjoyed your dinner.
[12:13] <wallyworld> yeah, throttling was only ever meant to kill reptitive status-update hook messages. it was a quick implementation that could use some rework AFAIR
[12:14] <wallyworld> i did, we went to a Jamie Olivier restaurant
[12:14] <wallyworld> i think there's been a few issues with the throttling, there's a bug or three still
[12:15] <wallyworld> jam: btw, thanks for comments on cmr spec. i'll garden a bit and put out for comment once i land one more pr
[12:16] <jam> wallyworld: happy to.
[12:16] <jam> ping me after you've done it, hopefully I can look with fresh eyes
[12:17] <wallyworld> will do, i'll update overnight or first thing tomorrow more likely. i have a little cleanup on the pr to auto expose and i want to land that
[12:18] <wallyworld> i don't mind if the spec has questions still to resolve, just want to get it ready for consumption so to speak
[12:18] <jam> sure
[12:26] <perrito666> jam: sorry I am here now
[12:33] <perrito666> jam: you have a few mins until I decide to leave for a coffee and some sort of bakery product which will take about 10 mins then
[12:37] <perrito666> jam: ill leave you with an answer at least, throtling was, as wallyworld said, something implemented in a hurry and could use some re-work
[12:47] <rogpeppe> jam: where's the accepted place to report juju bugs these days? still launchpad?
[12:47] <rogpeppe> anyone?
[12:48] <rogpeppe> ha, given there are only two issues on github.com/juju/juju, i guess so
[12:48] <rogpeppe> unless All The Bugs Have Been Fixed
[12:54] <rick_h> rogpeppe: yes, launchpad.net/juju
[12:54] <rogpeppe> rick_h: thanks
[12:54] <rogpeppe> rick_h: just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1657448
[12:54] <mup> Bug #1657448: provider/azure: adding credential produces error when service principal exists <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1657448>
[13:25] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: andrew will be estatic :-) i'll let him know
[13:26]  * perrito666 imagines wallyworld compiling a static version of andrew
[13:26] <wallyworld> one can never have too many of those
[13:27] <perrito666> wallyworld: arent you pass your bed time?
[13:27] <wallyworld> yeah
[13:28] <wallyworld> stuff to do
[13:28] <perrito666> wallyworld: do you need any of us to tuck you in ?
[13:28] <wallyworld> yes, and a goodnight story
[13:29] <perrito666> ill read you a user story for bed
[13:32] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: thanks
[13:33] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: it's probably not even his bug, but mentally I s/azure/andrew :-)
[13:33] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: it looks like it's a bug in the azure client lib
[13:33] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: i filed a bug there too
[13:33] <wallyworld> sgtm, ty
[13:34] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: MS loves byte-order marks
[13:34] <wallyworld> i bet
[13:34] <perrito666> uhhh, that is a cool internal idea, lets rename azure provider andrew provide internally
[13:34] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: have you used the azure provider much?
[13:34] <wallyworld> not much, just a smoke test or two
[14:36] <natefinch> voidspace, katco, rick_h, frobware, macgreagoir: if there's a standup, I need to miss it to clear the snow in our driveway so we can get the kids to school.
[14:36] <katco> natefinch: k
[14:36] <katco> natefinch: happy exercize
[14:36] <natefinch> :)
[15:50] <frobware> merge jobs seem to be failing with either 'go' not found or 'lxd' not found. any ideas?
[15:50] <frobware> http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/10057/
[15:51] <perrito666> wow sounds like corrupt server
[18:21] <perrito666> bbl, have people doing some fixes at the house and need to shut down the power for a moment
[18:22] <redir> woohoo nested arm64 booted
[18:30] <jam> perrito666: ping
[18:31] <jam> redir: nested?
[18:31] <redir> jam
[18:31] <redir> yes
[18:31] <jam> what do you mean by nested arm64?
[18:31] <jam> kvm in kvm ?
[18:31] <redir> but just by fiddling with the domainXML
[18:32] <redir> jam yes
[18:32] <jam> ah, not somethnig like running virtualized arm board on an arm board.
[18:32] <redir> yes with kvm acceleration instead of emulation
[18:32] <redir> like we do for amd64
[18:33] <redir> it's apparently a bit different
[18:33] <redir> and it appears it will only work on xenial
[18:33] <redir> not trusty
[18:34] <redir> :(
[18:36] <jam> redir: is it a kernel thing, such that HWE kernel would work on trusty, or is it userspace thing and the tools aren't backported (or HWE doesn't have it, either)
[18:37] <redir> jam AFAIU the qemu-efi package requires 15.04 minimum
[18:38] <jam> perrito666: when you have power again, can you have a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6828 I ended up needing to tweak some of the InstanceStatus stuff and realized we were missing some test coverage.
[18:38] <redir> I have some notes I'll add to the wiki.
[18:39] <jam> perrito666: Also, the different states for InstanceStatus make me wonder if I should be setting something different in the worker
[18:39] <jam> namely Running vs Started and Provisioning vs Pending.
[18:44] <jam> perrito666: also, the SetInstanceStatus API accepts all the other values (Pending, etc). Should it be validating the values being set and rejecting ones that aren't in the right set?
[19:02] <redir> jam you got a sec?
[19:03] <jam> redir: sort of, I'm not officially working right now, but if you have a Q
[19:03] <redir> I have a q about the bridge used on arm
[19:03] <redir> should be real quick
[19:04] <jam> sure
[19:04] <redir> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/john-reed
[19:27] <redir> thanks jam
[19:47] <mup> Bug #1550821 opened: TestSetsAndUpdatesMembers timed out <ci> <go1.5> <regression> <trusty> <wily> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550821>
[19:53] <mup> Bug #1550821 changed: TestSetsAndUpdatesMembers timed out <ci> <go1.5> <regression> <trusty> <wily> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550821>
[20:02] <mup> Bug #1550821 opened: TestSetsAndUpdatesMembers timed out <ci> <go1.5> <regression> <trusty> <wily> <juju:Triaged by thumper> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550821>
[20:08]  * redir lunches
[20:11] <mup> Bug #1550821 changed: TestSetsAndUpdatesMembers timed out <ci> <go1.5> <regression> <trusty> <wily> <juju:Triaged by thumper> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550821>
[20:15] <perrito666> jam: pong, why do you always ping me when I am away?
[20:17] <perrito666> jam: ill check your PR
[20:27] <perrito666> jam: LGTM your changes seem sane enough
[21:28] <anastasiamac> thumper: since u were in cert's area, would u have a sec to look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6831
[21:29] <thumper> anastasiamac: later... in a deep dive now
[21:30] <anastasiamac> thumper: sure \o/ just flagging to for ur perusal
[21:31] <anastasiamac> thumper: this is a companion PR:  https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/261
[21:31] <thumper> ack
[21:47] <sinzui> abentley: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/juju-reports/ignore-missing-tasks/+merge/315076
[21:57] <abentley> sinzui: r=me with some comments.
[21:59] <sinzui> abentley: thank you.
[22:00] <perrito666> brb
[22:01] <menn0> veebers: so no perfscale meeting
[22:01] <menn0> ?
[22:02] <veebers> menn0: hey, sorry I sent an email about re-scheduling it for next week
[22:03] <menn0> veebers: I vaguely remember that. just thought I'd still seen the meeting on the calendar this morning.
[22:03] <menn0> ignore me :)
[22:04] <veebers> menn0: sorry about that, I only just moved the cal event :-P
[22:04] <menn0> all good... I was away at a meeting with an accountant and am just catching up.
[23:07] <babbageclunk> axw: ping?
[23:07] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: it's 7am for axw... just saying...
[23:08] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: yeah, I keep forgetting. I'm out this afternoon though.
[23:08] <perrito666> anastasiamac: I get up at 6:00 :p
[23:08] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: u could leave a msg here, m sure he'll read \o/
[23:09] <anastasiamac> perrito666: ah... we all are up early (and stay up late) but r u functioing and working at that time?
[23:11] <perrito666> anastasiamac: I never function :p
[23:14] <perrito666> btw, wasnt this like our previous standup time?
[23:14] <perrito666> we could go back there
[23:15] <anastasiamac> perrito666: it was :) and we could :) let's discuss today
[23:16] <anastasiamac> perrito666: alto nz'ers might b at or near their lunch ...
[23:28] <axw> babbageclunk: pong
[23:28] <babbageclunk> oh hey axw, sorry for timezone confusion
[23:29] <babbageclunk> axw: I'm doing AdoptInstances for ec2, and I think I need to update tags for volumes as well as for instances?
[23:30] <babbageclunk> axw: thumper suggested you'd know about that?
[23:31] <axw> babbageclunk: yes, that is correct
[23:32] <axw> babbageclunk: several of the providers have support for storage, and use tagging (where possible) similarly to how it's used for tracking instances
[23:32] <axw> babbageclunk: there's a separate interface for dealing with volumes/filesystems
[23:32] <axw> babbageclunk: theoretically filesystems have the same issue, though there are no cloud filesystem implementations yet
[23:33] <babbageclunk> axw: I can see that ec2 CreateTags will work on volume IDs as well - what's the best way to get all the volume IDs for a set of instance IDs?
[23:33] <axw> babbageclunk: volumes aren't necessarily attached to an instance. they can be floating
[23:34] <babbageclunk> axw: Oh, right - so it would need to happen higher up? The migration master would call AdoptVolumes as well as calling AdoptInstances?
[23:34] <axw> babbageclunk: yes. and AdoptFilesystems
[23:35] <babbageclunk> axw: ok - and what interface should those live on? environs.Environ or somewhere else?
[23:35] <axw> babbageclunk: storage/{Filesystem,Volume}Source I think would be most appropriate
[23:36] <babbageclunk> axw: ok, thanks! that probably gives me enough to start with.
[23:36] <axw> babbageclunk: np, let me know if you get stuck
[23:36] <babbageclunk> axw: I almost certainly will!
[23:37] <babbageclunk> (get stuck I mean)
[23:37] <axw> :p


[04:09] <BGL> how am i supposed to install ubuntu from windows (i don't have a usb stick or cd) when i run wubi "the application failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect.. "
[04:10] <holstein> hmmm... how does windows expect the application to be configured?
[04:10] <holstein> is that when you get the error? from inside windows when you try to run the .exe?
[04:11] <holstein> BGL: i would probably delete that wubi.exe and re-download
[04:14] <BGL> i guess it's because i don't have service pack 2 or something
[04:14] <BGL> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ - can i use this as a work around maybe?
[04:14] <holstein> sure... if you have a USB stick
[04:15] <holstein> that wont get you a wubi install though
[04:15] <BGL> "frugal install"
[04:15] <BGL> "it can make a "frugal install" on your local hard disk if you don't have a USB drive."
[04:16] <BGL> "if you did a "frugal install" by selecting "Hard Disk" as your install target, select the UNetbootin entry from the Windows Boot Menu as the system boots up."
[04:16] <BGL> ^- ?
[04:16] <holstein> that sounds like a pain
[04:16] <BGL> well, i can't get wubi to run
[04:16] <Error404NotFound> just get rid of winders
[04:16] <Error404NotFound> like everyone else..
[04:17] <holstein> BGL: whats the exact error?
[04:17] <holstein> what makes you think its sp2 related?
[04:17] <holstein> if you are online with that windows box, you *should* be taking those updates
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:18] <BGL> "This application ahs failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> using vista?
[04:18] <BGL> it's xp
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> and you dont have sp2?
[04:18] <BGL> no
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> isnt xp to like sp5
[04:19] <BGL> is sp5 required to install ubuntu?
[04:19] <Error404NotFound> no clue
[04:19] <holstein> what is 'ahs' ??
[04:19] <Error404NotFound> no one i know uses xp still...
[04:19] <BGL> "This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."
[04:19] <holstein> eh... lots of folks, and companies still use XP, and probably will for a long time
[04:20] <BGL> not that google wouldn't auto complete it for you
[04:20] <M0hi> BGL: UNetbootin is showing that error?
[04:20] <BGL> no, wubi is
[04:20] <Error404NotFound> xp hits eol soon
[04:20] <M0hi> ah!
[04:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: hit is a few years ago though too
[04:20] <holstein> hit it*
[04:20] <M0hi> Windoze windoze
[04:21] <Error404NotFound> i <3 windows!
[04:21] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:21] <BGL> i was looking at unetbootin as an alternative to wubi
[04:21] <Error404NotFound> when it works, which is nearly never
[04:22] <BGL> the frugal install situation
[04:22] <holstein> BGL: thats not going to be trivial
[04:23] <BGL> as in not a problem?
[04:23] <holstein> well, not a problem, but not easy
[04:24] <holstein> BGL: you have *any* USB hard drive?
[04:24] <holstein> does the machine USB boot?
[04:24] <M0hi> BGL: and also have you tried downloading a new wubi from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer ?
[04:25] <BGL> yeah i got wubi from ubuntu's website
[04:25] <BGL> there is a bug report on this erorr and it was changed to invalid
[04:25] <holstein> if it were me, i would delete it, and get an older one
[04:25] <BGL> an older one to install 11.04?
[04:25] <BGL> will that work?
[04:26] <holstein> well, if it were me, i would want 10.04
[04:26] <zkriesse_> skip wubi lol
[04:26] <zkriesse_> use Universal USB Installer
[04:26] <BGL> zk: does that not require a usb device?
[04:26] <holstein> zkriesse_: BGL says no USB or CD
[04:26] <zkriesse_> and go with 10.04 or 10.10 and yes it does lol
[04:26] <holstein> :/
[04:26] <zkriesse_> oh damn
[04:26] <BGL> i read an older wubi might be able to get round this i've never used wubi before
[04:26] <zkriesse_> that puts quite a bite in doing it
[04:27] <BGL> can you chose which distro to install from within wubi?
[04:27] <holstein> within reason, i say yes
[04:27] <holstein> you couldnt use it to install fedora
[04:28] <BGL> well, to install 10.04
[04:28] <holstein> BGL: it literally wont hurt to try
[04:28] <holstein> right now, you just need to get a wubi.exe or .msi to start and not crash on your system
[04:28] <BGL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/669237
[04:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 669237 in debian-installer "wubi.exe does not start. " [Undecided,Invalid]
[04:29] <holstein> BGL: i think thats because the issue is probably with your windows intall
[04:29] <BGL> it's because i don't have some service pack
[04:30] <holstein> BGL: if you know that, then why not just get the service pack?
[04:30] <M0hi> holstein +1
[04:30] <holstein> its really a *bad* idea not to update windows with security updates
[04:30] <BGL> i really don't feel like spending 3 hours downloading updates
[04:30] <holstein> BGL: imagine how much time you'll spend fixing whatever you get hacked
[04:30] <holstein> *potentially
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> lol at 3 hours
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> dial up user eh
[04:31] <holstein> and, plus the time you're wasting here on wubi, and whatever other programs you wont be able to install
[04:32] <BGL> how is using  unetbootin complicated? it sounds simple am i missing something about it?
[04:33] <holstein> BGL: its simple, but the frugal install is not that simple to me
[04:33] <holstein> go for it though
[04:33] <BGL> well what's complicated about it?
[04:33] <holstein> you can let me know :)
[04:33] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you're still using Ubuntu?-)
[04:35]  * holstein looks at the unet windows version in wine
[04:35] <Error404NotFound> yes
[04:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, good ;)
[04:36] <Error404NotFound> i do still have windows 7 dual boot but i dont use it
[04:36] <bioterror> ;))
[04:36] <Error404NotFound> now that i actualy got my printer working on linux
[04:37] <holstein> yeah... i wouldnt know where to start with a 'frugal install' like that... wheres it go? how do you boot it?
[04:38] <BGL> it looks like it adds oit to the already existing boot selection menu of windows
[04:39] <holstein> i'll be interested to see how that works out for you BGL
[04:39]  * holstein is out... good luck :)
[04:40]  * Error404NotFound kicks holstein in the ass
[05:10] <BGL> getting 10.04 instead of 11.04 sounded like a better idea actually so i'm dl'n that atm
[05:11] <BGL> i used unity for a little bit and was just kinda meh about it
[05:13] <Error404NotFound> BGL:  you dont have to use unity you know...
[05:13] <Error404NotFound> system settings login screen
[05:13] <Error404NotFound> change to ubuntu classic
[05:20] <Unit193> You can also use !lubuntu , !xubuntu or even !kubuntu if you don't like Unity
[05:51] <BGL> well, unetbootin worked fine i was able to boot into ubuntu/live and start the install but i was quickly stopped because i cannot make a partition out of the free space on this drive, assuming because i'm booting off of it at the same time
[05:52] <BGL> figures i'd run into some other dumbass problem
[05:52] <BGL> however if i'd had the partitions setup already unetbootin would've done the trick
[05:52] <BGL> i'm just going to haul in a cd tomorrow from work
[06:14] <Error404NotFound>  BGL use G parted to create new partition
[07:56] <jimmie> Is there any way to make the File/Edit/etc bar on an open window go into the launcher in Gnome much like it does in unity?
[11:15] <E3D3> I made a link to Kate (editor) on my toolbar. Opened Kate & tweaked it. With R-mouse or Menu a not-configurated Kate opens ?
[11:15] <E3D3> Suddenly I have 3 different configurations/Kate's ? How can I force the 2 other links to synchronize my tweaks/addons etc ?
[11:15] <E3D3> I want to see everywhere the same Kate.
[11:30] <coalwater> E3D3, i don't know what might be the problem but it might be that u need to restart the editor it self, or maybe u are sending some sort of parameters in the shortcut that u created that are not  being sent by default, i don't know what other probabilities might cause this problem
[11:39] <E3D3> I did it with Kate like I always do. But really thanks for your help. Try one reinstall & if I lose all my work I will never look to Kate again.
[11:40] <geirha> A reinstall will not fix anything. This is a user config issue.
[11:41] <E3D3> Thanks geirha. I quit with working ON Kate instead of WITH. dont want to lose more.
[11:42] <E3D3> I try to install a split-screen addon for gEdit & just remove Kate, that will save me a lot of time & more ...
[11:44] <geirha> If you feel adventurous, try vim-gnome or vim-gtk. It has a bit of a learning curve, but once you're past that, you won't look back. ;)
[11:48] <geirha> If there's anything vim can't do, it's not worth doing. That's my motto. ;)
[11:48] <E3D3> I know but quess the only reasson to use it is because it took too much time to learn. I still prefer gEdit & happy to see I can split my screen there too (addon).  Thanks
[11:49]  * geirha evil laughter
[11:49] <E3D3> vim is like blender (graphic editor)  for me, learning curve doesn't feel intiutive.
[11:50] <geirha> Yes, good analogy. I was completly lost first time I tried Blender too.
[11:51] <E3D3> I experimented for years & always had to go back to the beginning tuts, so I left it.
[11:51] <E3D3> Its usefull if you use it a lot, guess its the same with vim, guess you almost never touch your mouse ?
[11:56] <coalwater> E3D3, i never used kate, but what's in it that's better than gedit?
[11:57] <E3D3> Solved, Kate is to the eternal hunting grounds & a better tweaked gEdit is first lady again. I can sleep peacefully.
[11:57] <E3D3> Kate had split screen default & more nice default things for programming.
[11:57] <E3D3> Code folding
[11:59] <E3D3> But yesterday it eat 100% CPU, when closing 2nd window -the doc also close, & troubles with its commands. gEdit never scared me.
[12:00] <E3D3> I use splitscreen everywhere, have now an old plugin for gEdit that does it. Im happy & can continue work with a free heart.
[12:00] <E3D3> gEdit has more addons, like direct FTP-connect, funny to live edit my webpages.
[12:10] <E3D3> Another question :
[12:10] <E3D3> What is the smartest way to resize my harddrive with 2 Ubuntu-OS's (each on its own partion & swap) to 3 partions without losing software ?
[12:10] <E3D3> Backup app in main menu seems not to backup manually installed software.
[12:11] <E3D3> Or beter learn LVM ?
[12:15] <coalwater_> i don't know really
[12:16] <E3D3> coalwater: Still thanks, I'll wait.
[12:16] <coalwater> but about the software backing up i think it might be close to the same
[12:16] <coalwater> !clone
[12:16] <ubot2> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[12:17] <coalwater> sorry, im half asleep, that sentence was messed up
[12:17] <coalwater> i meant 'it might be close to cloning'
[12:19] <E3D3> Guess so, I never did it but heard CloneZilla is good. Hope there is an easier 'temporary copy to 2nd partition' solution.
[12:21] <E3D3> Problem is that Im lost track of some manually installed software (no deb/rpm packages). Will explore above commands again, Thanks.
[12:22] <coalwater> dpkg -l
[12:22] <coalwater> o nvm
[12:22] <E3D3> That missed, say Aptana, & other installed stuff.
[12:23] <E3D3> Im bad at English abriviations ; nvm = nevermind ?
[12:33] <E3D3> Tried : aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages
[12:33] <E3D3> Its miss a lot of software I dont want to lose so guess I have to learn cloning.
[12:35] <Sidewinder1> E3D3, I'm not sure that it'll do what you want but you might have a look at "Grsync", it's a gui for the rsync command.
[12:38] <E3D3> Sidewinder1: I see it will make (selective) backups & read so more, thanks for the thread.
[12:38] <E3D3> * so = some
[12:38] <Sidewinder1> NP.
[14:16] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:17] <bioterror> hi fox
[14:17] <s-fox> o/
[21:04] <coalwater> how do i update a local bzr branch with a remote one that probabl has a couple of revisions added, bzr pull ?
[21:05] <coalwater> ok nvm bzr update
[21:42] <asterismo> hello guys
[21:42] <asterismo> i need help with a scanner
[21:42] <holstein> asterismo: o/
[21:42] <holstein> usb? networked?
[21:43] <asterismo> usb
[21:43] <holstein> whats the deal? do you see it at all?
[21:43] <asterismo> this is the thing
[21:43] <asterismo> the scanner is an Artec Ultima 2000
[21:43] <asterismo> old usb scanner
[21:44] <asterismo> but i made it work in a laptop
[21:44] <asterismo> now i want to make it work in another laptop and a desktop but i cant
[21:44] <holstein> what did you do to make it work?
[21:45] <holstein> some backport?
[21:45] <asterismo> i did make the scanne work
[21:45] <asterismo> through sane application
[21:46] <asterismo> i make it work by editing /etc/sane.d/gt68xx.conf file
[21:46] <asterismo> uncomment5ed some lines and after a restart it worked
[21:47] <asterismo> but this is not working this time
[21:47] <asterismo> and sane is suppose to support this chip
[21:47] <asterismo> and i really need this scanner in this other 2 computers
[21:48] <holstein> yeah?
[21:48] <holstein> i would probably prefer it on the one machine, and just share the files...
[21:48] <holstein> i suppose i would look at the sane versions and kernel verions
[21:48] <asterismo> the working machine i wont have it anymore
[21:49] <asterismo> all systems are maverick
[21:49] <asterismo> all i386
[21:49] <holstein> well, something is different
[21:49] <holstein> the USB controllers are
[21:49] <asterismo> may be copying some folders and replacing ones in the other machines... any ideas?
[21:50] <holstein> asterismo: i would still go and actually confirm the kernel version and sane version
[21:50] <asterismo> the scanner is detected in lsusb
[21:51] <asterismo> same kernel and same sane version
[21:51] <holstein> then, its going to be the config, or the USB controller
[21:52] <holstein> i would probably just grab the entire /etc/sane.d dir
[21:52] <asterismo> how do i check that?
[21:52] <holstein> asterismo: you would need another USB controller ideally
[21:52] <asterismo> i replaced the entire sand.d dir in new machines and simple-scan app says no scanners detected
[21:53] <asterismo> but sane-find command detects the scanner, product vendor... etc
[21:54] <holstein> i would probably reinstall sane... and go from there
[21:54] <asterismo> scanimage -L says no scanners were identified
[21:54] <asterismo> how do i install another usb cortroller?
[21:54] <bioterror> does dmesg see it?
[21:54] <bioterror> or lsusb
[21:54] <holstein> lsusb does apparently
[21:55] <holstein> that and the sane-find info does not support the USB controller theory
[21:55] <asterismo> dmesg
[21:55] <asterismo> usb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[21:56] <asterismo> lsusb
[21:56] <asterismo> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 05d8:4002 Ultima Electronics Corp. Artec Ultima 2000 (GT6801 based)/Lifetec LT9385/ScanMagic 1200 UB Plus Scanner
[22:00] <bioterror> asterismo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lifetec9385Config
[22:05] <truepurple> Is wine the best window 7 program runner? If so, which of the versions available in the software center, should I use? What are the differences between them?
[22:06] <bioterror> or running windows under virtual machine
[22:07] <st33med> truepurple, WINE can run windows. If you have a good computer with sufficient memory and a Windows CD of any version (XP), a virtual maching is a good option
[22:07] <st33med> Sorry WINE runs windows programs ok
[22:07] <holstein> yeah, virtual machine will be *exactly* like windows running
[22:08] <st33med> But games won't render well because it's virtualizing a video card
[22:08] <truepurple> And how do I set up a virtual machine?
[22:08] <truepurple> Well the program I want to use is small in resources and not a game
[22:08] <st33med> OK, WINE maybe able to run it. What do you want to run?
[22:11] <truepurple> Windows 7 Loader By Orbit30 & Hazar v1.5 Release 2
[22:12] <truepurple> But how do I set up a virtual machine anyway?
[22:12] <bioterror> !virtualbox
[22:12] <ubot2> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from the package 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:16] <StevenR> st33med: I use virt-manager on ubuntu to run my windows VM, works very well.
[22:16] <st33med> cool
[22:18] <StevenR> (it uses KVM under the hood, rather than virtualbox)
[22:19] <holstein> StevenR: have you used virtualbox too?
[22:23] <StevenR> holstein: no
[22:26] <truepurple> Virtual box requires you to have the OS you want to emulate though, right?
[22:26] <StevenR> yes
[22:26] <StevenR> it's basically a free "fake" computer
[22:26] <StevenR> or multiple fake computers :)
[22:27] <StevenR> KVM allows me to netinstall rather nicely, and boot from iso images, usb disks, etc.
[22:38] <vanderson_> Hello
[22:40] <vanderson_> I want to be a ubuntu developer, and I saw in the wiki about the Ubuntu Beginners Team. How can I enter in this team?
[22:46] <new2ubuntuguy> hi everyone!
[22:46] <Error404NotFoun1>        oi
[22:46] <new2ubuntuguy> can anyone help with a partition problem?
[22:46] <Error404NotFoun1> like what
[22:47] <new2ubuntuguy>  just set up my system with partitions and LVM and I can access home and the file system, but not the main part of my hard drive, the largest part
[22:47] <new2ubuntuguy> Im so noob
[22:48] <Error404NotFoun1> you setup multiple partitions?
[22:48] <new2ubuntuguy> yes installed ubuntu on encrypted lvm file system
[22:48] <new2ubuntuguy> followed a guide that worked great, but not sure how to access all of my hard drive
[22:50] <Error404NotFoun1> did you format the other partitions?
[22:50] <new2ubuntuguy> any good terminal commands that would show the partition set up?
[22:50] <new2ubuntuguy> I'm not sure what's formatted actually, I have done nothing but the pre ubuntu install set up of the partitions
[22:51] <asterismo> hi people
[22:51] <new2ubuntuguy> hi
[22:51] <asterismo> i cannot plug external hard drive to frontal usb port
[22:52] <Error404NotFoun1> why not
[22:52] <new2ubuntuguy> any help error?
[22:53] <asterismo> dmesg says sd 8:0:0:0: [sde] Unhandled error code
[22:53] <asterismo> i can pastebin large dmesg
[22:53] <Error404NotFoun1> are the front usb 2.0?
[22:53] <asterismo> its like usb is being reset continuously
[22:54] <asterismo> it never mounts
[22:54] <asterismo> but if i plug in rear usb ports, it mounts ok
[22:54] <Error404NotFoun1> new2ubuntuguy:  if i had that problem id use ubunto live cd to format the other partitions
[22:54] <new2ubuntuguy> is there a terminal command that will show info on current partitions?
[22:56] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: sudo fdisk -l  # lists disks, their partitions and sizes
[22:56] <new2ubuntuguy> ok thanks
[22:57] <geirha> To further identify, mount a partition, run ls, then unmount.  e.g.  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && ls -l /mnt && sudo umount /mnt
[22:59] <new2ubuntuguy> if I pasted my output from fdisk, would you be able to tell what's formatted ?
[22:59] <new2ubuntuguy> it's all greek to me
[23:00] <vanderson_> oi
[23:00] <geirha> !paste | new2ubuntuguy
[23:00] <ubot2> new2ubuntuguy: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[23:01] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: Possibly
[23:01] <new2ubuntuguy> can I paste into a private message geirha so I don't flood?
[23:01] <geirha> Preferably use a pastebin
[23:02] <new2ubuntuguy> ok I'll try
[23:02] <geirha> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:03] <geirha> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[23:03] <new2ubuntuguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/642234/
[23:04] <geirha> Hm. /dev/dm*, never seen those before.
[23:04] <new2ubuntuguy> :/
[23:05] <geirha> You have two partitions on /dev/sda though. One small one, probably a /boot partition. And a ~300GB one that you probably installed ubuntu on
[23:06] <new2ubuntuguy> http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/10/how-to-install-ubuntu-11-04-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system/
[23:06] <new2ubuntuguy> that's the guide I used
[23:06] <new2ubuntuguy> just not sure if I need to format now or what
[23:07] <geirha> Ah, so that's what /dev/dm is
[23:07] <asterismo> does everybody can plug an external hard drive in frontal usb ports??
[23:08] <new2ubuntuguy> any ideas geirha?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> depends on the motherboard, asterismo
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Not all USB ports are created equal
[23:10] <asterismo> what is that mean?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> It means some are usb 1.0, some are usb 2.0, some have less power to them, and some are not even connected properly
[23:10] <asterismo> usb is usb, how can i figure out i can or not plug other stuff in frontal usb?
[23:10] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: I've never tried anything like that myself, but the guide seems to be complete
[23:11] <charlie-tca> The only way I know of is to try things in them
[23:11] <new2ubuntuguy> maybe I still need to format?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I have computers with 8 ports, 2 of which will work for the USB drives
[23:11] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: Ah, you possibly only formatted some partitions
[23:12] <charlie-tca> asterismo: further, all will work with a usb keyboard
[23:12] <geirha> new2ubuntuguy: But I'm afraid I know nothing about lvm and dm-crypt, so I wouldn't know how to go about formatting them.
[23:12] <new2ubuntuguy> I can acess home and the file system, but when I click on my 300 GB HD below that, it says "Unable to mount"
[23:13] <asterismo> if i use a PCI card for USB extension, it will affect IRQs or something the other USB ports?
[23:13] <new2ubuntuguy> ok thanks anyway geirha
[23:14] <geirha> Someone else here may have experience with it, or you could try #ubuntu and/or #linux
[23:15] <new2ubuntuguy> ok thanks
[23:16] <new2ubuntuguy> in the pastebin, "doesn't contain a valid partition table"  .... does that mean anything in particular?
[23:20] <geirha> If it said so on a regular disk, it would mean the master boot record on it was wiped. On those dm-devices though, it probably just can't read them because they're encrypted. Just guessing.
[23:24] <new2ubuntuguy> ok
[23:25] <new2ubuntuguy> I just opened Gparted partition program, and I have /dev/sda2 with a file system of crypt-luks
[23:25] <new2ubuntuguy> status is not mounted
[23:36] <holstein> StevenR: ping?
[23:36] <StevenR> holstein: lo
[23:37] <holstein> StevenR: you add yourself to te lib-virt group with virt-manager?
[23:37] <holstein> libvirt*
[23:39] <StevenR> holstein: apparently I am in the libvirtd group.
[23:40] <holstein> hmmmm... im already a member of that group too
[23:41] <StevenR> holstein: what's the problem?
[23:41] <holstein> permissions error. im sure i just need to rtfm
[23:53] <holstein> StevenR: you dont run it as root right
[23:53] <holstein> ?
[23:56] <StevenR> nope
[23:59] <holstein> StevenR: i logged out and back in :)