[14:42] <nhandler> Just a heads up,I want to get the team reports included in this issue of the UWN. However, we have the Chicago Global Jam today, so I might be *slightly* later than normal in finishing it up
[15:19] <nhandler> tyche or johnc4510: What was the preferred way to deal with CammelCases for the UWN ?
[15:20] <tyche> There is a little symbol under the tilde on the keyboard.  Separate the camelcases at the second capital letter with 2 of them:  Camel``Cases
[15:22] <johnc4510> nhandler: hey bud
[15:23] <nhandler> tyche: Just out of curiosity, why don't we use the ! method to avoid the CamelCases (which I believe is the method that the wiki guides recommend)
[15:24] <tyche> Because it's the way we've always done it?
[15:24] <johnc4510> nhandler: not sure...this was the way we were doing it as far back as i remember
[15:24] <johnc4510> i'll look into that
[15:24] <johnc4510> :)
[15:24] <nhandler> :)
[15:49] <nhandler> The Team Reports are up. I'l try to get the CamelCases sorted out, but it might be a little bit before I can get to them (due to the Jam)
[15:56] <johnc4510> nhandler: np
[15:57] <johnc4510> and i appreciate you doing it....it's a boring bit of work that takes time
[15:58] <tyche> Yea, something lie 244 updates.  :-)
[15:58] <johnc4510> lol
[15:59] <johnc4510> the first one is always long
[15:59] <johnc4510> i remember
[15:59] <johnc4510> lol
[15:59] <nhandler> Once I finish up my script to prepare the Team Reports for the UWN, I'll work on a script to fix the CamelCases
[16:00] <tyche> If it's any consolation, I'm not even halfway through them yet.
[16:00] <johnc4510> cool
[16:00] <johnc4510> tyche: it's about time you did some work   rofl
[16:00] <johnc4510> i probably should have waited to say that until _after_ you were done
[16:00] <johnc4510> :)
[16:01] <tyche> Hmmm.    HEH HEH HEH
[16:02] <johnc4510> lol
[21:29] <johnc4510> I put a story on the fridge about the new countdown banners: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1922
[21:29] <johnc4510> s/story/news release
[21:29] <johnc4510> images of the different styles of banners are included
[23:10] <johnc4510> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #162 is now available:
[23:10] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue162


[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[17:03] <mr-princemathew> can anyone help me?
[17:04] <mr-princemathew> ?
[17:05] <czajkowski> bah
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> always happens


[00:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL444a4e4cdd48: Add volume adjust step] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL444a4e4cdd48
 wxl: falkon just crushed, I run ubuntu-bug
 ubuntu-bug falkon
 taht's the way to do it?
[00:32] <wxl> yes
[00:32] <wxl> please link me
 wxl: not sure it helps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/falkon/+bug/1836281
[02:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T64: fix fcitx packages] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T64#1406
[06:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc007b0da777e: Add other way to select all text] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc007b0da777e
 wxl: since there will be a new release for nm-tray, does it worth to to merge 0.42 from debian/sid or is better to wait?
[16:17] <wxl> @HMollerCl i think @tsimonq2 has a plan there
[16:47] <wxl> that's why we've been changing the config in the package.. normally that's a no-no
 in believe in some languages is yes, no. Yes to what you said, no to nm-tray.
 Hi! Can someone put at https://lubuntu.me/links/ a link of our Telegram Russian group (https://t.me/Lubuntu_Ru) with this image ? The image has a very low resolution but this does not have much importance because the image on the site is very small and nobody will notice the low resolution.
 While you're at it, where's the Portuguese logo set?
 I can add that as well
 I can also work on bridging the channels to IRC, for more visibility
 So #lubuntu-pt and #lubuntu-ru?
 The Logo for the Portuguese group also has a very bad resolution (I did not find the original gray image used in our links page) but it can also be used as it is because the image will be very small and the low resolution will not be noticed.
 @tsimonq2 [So #lubuntu-pt and #lubuntu-ru?], fine
 @JyotiGomes [The Logo for the Portuguese group also has a very bad resolution (I did not find …], The original images are in the SVG repo
 Currently only Lubuntu Members have access for reasons
 However, it's fine if PNGs are made of them
 If I could get that again though, that would be great
 @JyotiGomes [fine], Thanks!
 Thanks :)
 In the Links page, under the logos you can write in the original languages (as it happens with the logo of the Spanish group). The new ones would be "Português" (with a caret) and "Русский"
 Ok :)
 I put several flags in the icon of the Portuguese group because Brazilians and others would not like to see only the Portuguese flag. In the icon of the Russian group I only wrote "RU" because not all Russians accept the current flag as the only true flag for Russia (there was a flag change after the end of the Soviet Union, not on
 I put several flags in the icon of the Portuguese group because Brazilians and others would not like to see only the Portuguese flag. In the icon of the Russian group I only wrote "RU" because not all Russians accept the current flag as the only flag (there was a flag change after the end of the Soviet Union.Not only change of USSR
 @tsimonq2 [The original images are in the SVG repo], May you send me the link, to easly find this repo?
 @JyotiGomes [I put several flags in the icon of the Portuguese group because Brazilians and o …], Understood
 @JyotiGomes [May you send me the link, to easly find this repo?], https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/oldart/
 @JyotiGomes we might need your French knowledge
 @HMollerCl [@JyotiGomes we might need your French knowledge], 👍
 @tsimonq2 [https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/oldart/], I got the svg file. I will send you the new icons today or tomorrow. If it is easy, you may put already the link for Portugues and Russian groups with the old ones that i sent... and tomorrow just change the icons 😊
 @JyotiGomes [I got the svg file. I will send you the new icons today or tomorrow. If it is ea …], Thank you!
 This is a png made with the original svg file
 Thanks!
 For Portuguese group, we cant use just the letters "PT" because there is a political party in Brasil with these initials 😊
 Ohhh
 Jeez, the last thing we want is to get political around here :)
 *drops flashbangs in to dispell the politics*
 @JyotiGomes [For Portuguese group, we can't use just the letters "PT" because there is a poli …], The Unicode country code for your state is pt_BR though
 @tsimonq2 [Jeez, the last thing we want is to get political around here :)], +1
 @UniversalSuperBox [The Unicode country code for your state is pt_BR though], Yes. But now if we use only the two isolated letters in a logo and with capital letters can acquire political connotations.
 @teward001 [*drops flashbangs in to dispell the politics*], I'd prefer a molly.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I'd prefer a molly.], this can be arranged.  but @tsimonq2 stole my antimatter so I cant' replicate one sorry
 See if we can use any of these icons
 *has a bag full of Molotov cocktails*
 *parcels a few to @teward001 *
 from this review https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/lubuntu-disco.html I've always wonder me how could we make this "Samba credentials were not saved, even though I had selected to keep them forever. It just kept asking me, again and again. " work
 I deleted the previous pngs (with the Telegram_Ru icon) because after sending it I saw that the png were saved with low dpi. I now send in svg but it should be opened in Inkscape because LXImage-Qt is not showing all layers of the image, I do not know the reason.
 Hope everyone had a decent week.
[21:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL45266b91c83e: Add changing external mixer] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL45266b91c83e
[22:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcfc590a06a71: Move volume to own paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcfc590a06a71
[22:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd6bc1d6a42f0: Add lxqt-panel volume pref] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd6bc1d6a42f0
 @kc2bez did you have an ETA on updating Cala in Eoan
 or do you need someone to JFDI with the uploads
 It will need to be sponsored, yes. I can do my part for eoan tonight.
 @kc2bez once you have a usable package let me know, I'll sponsor it up
 unless Simon gets to it first :P
 I hear you're the Cala person now though :P
 I will have something shortly.
 For eoan is the idea to run it through a regular update and not a security update?
 I guess another way put, are there security updates for a development release?
 @teward001 ^
 @kc2bez during dev release a straight upload is sufficent to apply a security update
 the -security pocket doesn't exist until post-release
 @kc2bez so as soon as the package is confirmed tested and 'working as intended' we can upload and quote the security bug as the reason in the changelog, but we don't have to go through the Security team to get it uploaded
[23:46] <kc2bez> Thanks @teward001
[23:48] <kc2bez> I was thinking the same but I wanted to verify.
 @kc2bez yeah i can state from experience it's as simple as uploading to Eoan


[00:15] <diddledan> interesting: https://veertu.com
[00:16] <diddledan> run virtual machines on your mac without custom kernel modules
[00:16] <diddledan> (using hypervisor.framework)
[00:16]  * diddledan gives it a go
[00:20]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward corruption on diddledan's mac
[00:21] <diddledan> aww, won’t let me install from iso in the freebie
[00:24] <daftykins> o0
[00:30] <m0nkey_> Fusion4Lyfe!
[00:32] <diddledan> the problem I have is I want to run docker (which now uses the hypervisor framework) in addition to a win10vm in addition to vagrant (which charges for vmware capability)
[01:43]  * daftykins rams diddledan
[01:44] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/so3sjnde3hrvs3e/IMG_20160718_024118.jpg?dl=0
[01:44] <diddledan> oh myy
[01:44]  * diddledan is rammed
[01:44] <diddledan> the new ones are on the left?
[01:44] <daftykins> left hand stuff came out of my server - right hand stuff i've been testing in these different boxes
[01:44] <diddledan> aah
[01:45] <daftykins> the juggling continues!
[01:45] <diddledan> lol
[01:46] <daftykins> i'm thinking i could put the working good mobo from the coolermaster stacker server type case into the smaller case and consider it more saleable as a desktop
[01:56] <diddledan> time for me to hit the sack methinks
[01:58] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:29] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:36] <popey> Greetings from Heidelberg
[07:44] <knightwise> popey: Have some BratWurst!
[07:46] <popey> Hah! I probably will at some point
[07:47] <knightwise> Weather ok over ther e,
[07:47] <knightwise>  ?
[07:47] <knightwise> pretty smoochie warm here in .be
[08:02] <popey> yeah, pretty warm here
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 et al
[08:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh get you mr foreign la di da
[08:12] <popey>  😃
[08:14] <davmor2> popey: how was your break good sir?
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> 23°C here right now....
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> Hence I am wearing the lightwieght hiking kit with zip-off bits.
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> Maye get a bucket of ise for feet later
[08:15] <Myrtti> 27 in the bedroom the whole night. I think I'll start cooking the dinner now so we can just microwave it in the evening
[08:15] <knightwise> Myrtti: thats bad
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> It's my Siberian Husky I feel sorry for....
[08:16] <Myrtti> instead of going to the kitchen with the conservatory heating it up all night
[08:17] <Myrtti> er, day
[08:20] <foobarry> ARM got taken over :(
[08:20] <popey> davmor2: very
[08:20] <foobarry> owned shares in the since 1999
[08:20] <knightwise> so how about the ubuntu forum hack
[08:21] <knightwise> is it as bad as they say ?
[08:21] <popey> define bad
[08:21] <popey> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/15/notice-of-security-breach-on-ubuntu-forums/ covers it
[08:22] <Myrtti> foobarry: softbank was extremely good owner to Supercell
[08:22] <davmor2> knightwise: only user names which they can get as easily by setting up a bot to look through google+ facebook and twitter
[08:23] <davmor2> foobarry: they aren't moving it from cambridge and they are looking to double the staff to improve throughput for the internet of things I'd say your share will only get better :)
[08:24] <foobarry> shame to lose a fine british owned company thoguh. now profits sucked out of the country.
[08:24] <foobarry> the share will be bought out by the new owners for a premium
[08:24] <foobarry> i would have been a millionaire had i bought the acorn shares when i wanted to but didnt knwo hoiw
[08:24] <davmor2> foobarry: oh I'm sorry you think we have industry in the UK still ;)
[08:25] <Myrtti> that wasn't exactly what happened with supercell. most of the profits were put back in
[08:26] <davmor2> Myrtti: doubling the 3000 workforce won't be cheap so I'd say that was a huge investment in itself
[08:26] <Myrtti> yup
[08:27] <Myrtti> I'd be more worried what happens when they decide to sell
[08:29] <foobarry> its better than intel buying them though
[08:30] <foobarry> or MS , AMD, etc
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning!  Happy Monday, and happy Caviar Day! 😃
[09:00] <TwistedLucidity> Strange that they'd pick now to do this, what with Article 50 looming.
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <foobarry> share price increased by 20% over last few months though
[09:02] <foobarry> i checked my avg cost per share of my shareholding
[09:02] <foobarry> hard to tell as i locked in profits over the years.
[09:02] <popey> Article 50 won't be invoked at all. Is my prediction.
[09:03] <popey> Brexit department under David Davies will be allowed to fail.
[09:03] <foobarry> quite possibly
[09:05] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Sell yer shares, retire to Caymans.
[09:06] <foobarry> i think some people are suggesting keeping them in case there is a counter bid, but i think there is already agreement
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, sorry. Thought the deal was done-and-dusted
[09:07] <foobarry> pretty much
[09:07] <foobarry> the share price has already gone up to reflect that
[09:08] <foobarry> but i bought in the dotcom boom when prices were high
[09:08] <foobarry> i have made a profit but not the kind it would have been if i bought 10yrs ago
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> Hindsight is always 20/20
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> I keep meaning to buy some share tracker wotsits, but life keeps getting in the way
[09:10] <foobarry> apart from a pittance left in hornby shares
[09:10] <foobarry> i only have ARM
[09:10] <foobarry> the only 2 companies i believed in
[09:10] <TwistedLucidity> Only shares I hold are in my employer.
[09:10] <foobarry> or just liked their products in the case of hornby :S
[11:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:28] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[11:40] <knightwise> hey bigcalm , MooDoo
[11:49] <mappps> =--------------------------------++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[11:49] <mappps> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[11:49] <mappps> ++++++++++++++++++++++++]
[11:57] <popey> hello bigcalm
[11:57] <popey> hello mappps' cat
[12:01] <knightwise> mappps: that was ... moving :p
[12:03] <knightwise> popey popey , seen this ?https://www.lynda.com/…/Up-Running-Ubuntu-De…/159637-2.html…
[12:03] <knightwise> Free at Linda.com
[12:08] <bigcalm> knightwise: might need a better URI
[12:09] <bigcalm> With fewer ellipsis
[12:09] <knightwise> sorry , bad terminal , using cygwin (sucks)
[12:39] <MooDoo> :)
[13:36]  * webpigeon thinks that mappps' comment has some positives and some negatives...
[13:37] <diddledan> http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/swans-to-replace-trident-2014082089746
[14:04] <diddledan> have you ever seen swans surfing? blob:https://www.youtube.com/58183441-123c-4c81-ab3f-59e2039d2492
[14:04] <diddledan> argh wrong link
[14:04] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/pja3UPlNHN8
[14:36] <diddledan> ARM are selling! http://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/18/uk-chip-designer-arm-acquired-softbank/
[14:37] <MooDoo> yeah apparently they are not moving it, just japanese buyers
[15:04] <foobarry> for now
[15:44] <diddledan> I’ve just put an order in to move broadband onto a&a
[15:45] <diddledan> \o/ native IP6!
[15:47] <diddledan> also. none of that nasty censorship crud
[19:26] <diddledan_> wow: https://blogs.dropbox.com/tech/2016/07/lepton-image-compression-saving-22-losslessly-from-images-at-15mbs/
[19:35] <daftykins> my my
[19:53] <ali1234> 15 mb per second isn't actually that fast
[19:56] <ali1234> 22% over already compressed data is impressive though
[19:56] <diddledan_> especially as it's lossless
[19:57] <ali1234> yeah... although the original JPEG compression isn't lossless in the first place
[19:57] <ali1234> what they mean here by lossless though is that they can compress user's files and the user cannot tell
[19:57] <diddledan_> yeah but lossy on top of lossy would be lossy^2
[19:57] <ali1234> it's not just lossless, the original file is unmodified when uncompressed
[19:57] <ali1234> which is a kind of odd goal
[19:57] <ali1234> but not if you are dropbox
[19:59] <diddledan_> generational degradation is exponential with lossy compression
[19:59] <diddledan_> that's why you should never edit a jpg and only save the final into jpg if you want quality
[20:00] <ali1234> yes but this has additional consstraints
[20:01] <ali1234> you can represent the same image in multiple ways with jpeg, this can't allow that to happen
[20:01] <diddledan_> lossless means that the uncompressed result is identical to the original, so I'm not seeing why you think that's an oddness
[20:01] <ali1234> if it did it would technically still be lossless, but no use for dropbox cos people would wonder why their images have a different checksum
[20:01] <diddledan_> if the checksum changes then it's not lossless
[20:01] <ali1234> sure it is
[20:02] <diddledan_> zip is lossless because the files you get out are identical to what you put in
[20:02] <diddledan_> I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of lossless
[20:02] <ali1234> no, i think you are
[20:02] <diddledan_> lossless means literally nothing is changes
[20:02] <diddledan_> d
[20:02] <diddledan_> i.e. you don't "lose" anything
[20:02] <ali1234> if i take a 24 bit PNG and convert it to indexed, it will be smaller. that is lossless compression
[20:03] <diddledan_> nope
[20:03] <ali1234> it will contain the same data
[20:03] <diddledan_> nope
[20:03] <diddledan_> checksum different means your compression has lost something or added something
[20:03] <ali1234> that's clearly not true
[20:04] <diddledan_> note that "preception" doesn't count with compression schemes
[20:04] <diddledan_> loss and non-loss with compression is about the bits not whether it still quacks
[20:04] <ali1234> then PNG can never be lossless
[20:05] <ali1234> also zip cannot be lossless
[20:05] <diddledan_> sure it can
[20:05] <ali1234> it doesn't preserve all file metadata
[20:05] <diddledan_> a text file added into a zip file with the word "flummox" will still read "flummox" when you extract it
[20:05] <ali1234> is that ascii or unicode?
[20:05] <diddledan_> i.e. the bits are identical
[20:06] <diddledan_> it doesn't matter because the zip format is input agnostic
[20:06] <ali1234> lepton isn't
[20:06] <diddledan_> you give zip a file.
[20:06] <ali1234> that's the point
[20:06] <diddledan_> yes and lepton is lossless
[20:06] <ali1234> it can only compress jpegs
[20:07] <diddledan_> but lepton is only lossless with jpeg. I fail to see why that is confusing you
[20:07] <diddledan_> it is producing the exact bits that are input when they're output
[20:08] <ali1234> it isn't confusing me
[20:09] <diddledan_> the reason lepton can only do jpeg is because it is designed to utilise compression artifacts of jpeg's format to improve in a lossless way the compression ratio
[20:10] <diddledan_> it's two step - you make a jpeg with standard jpeg compression and then you lepton it to reduce storage requirements further
[20:10] <diddledan_> in the reverse direction you will get exactly the same bits output from the lepton process that you put in
[20:11] <ali1234> as i keep saying "same bits out" isn't a requirement for lossless compression. it only has to output the same information
[20:11] <diddledan_> that is lossless, then your computer will decompress the jpeg data which WILL be different to the original image data that were input in bitmap form to jpeg compression
[20:11] <ali1234> information is not the same thing as "bits"
[20:12] <diddledan_> with computer compression schemes lossless and not is about the bits.
[20:12] <diddledan_> otherwise you'd be able to say that jpeg CAN BE lossless
[20:12] <ali1234> um... it can
[20:12] <diddledan_> only if you don't compress AT ALL
[20:13] <diddledan_> from wiki: Lossless compression is used in cases where it is important that the original and the decompressed data be identical
[20:13] <diddledan_> data = bits
[20:18] <ali1234> no, jpeg can do lossless compression
[20:18] <ali1234> but by your definition it isn't really lossless, because you can't get back the original file. the image data is unchanged though
[20:18] <diddledan_> the image data IS the original file
[20:18] <ali1234> no it isn't
[20:19] <ali1234> the image data is the uncompressed jpeg
[20:19] <diddledan_> yes it is. you input into jpeg a bitmap. you get out a bitmap
[20:19] <ali1234> yes
[20:20] <ali1234> bitmap -> jpeg -> identical bitmap
[20:20] <ali1234> i can also do bitmap -> jpeg -> different jpeg -> identical bitmap
[20:20] <ali1234> this is still lossless
[20:20] <diddledan_> in an uncompressed jpeg, yes, in a compressed jpeg --- bitmap -> jpeg -> different bitmap
[20:20] <ali1234> bitmap -> jpeg -> lepton -> different jpeg -> identical bitmap would also be lossless
[20:21] <diddledan_> you can't compress a jpeg with jpeg again and get the same resultant bitmap as you got from the output of the first jpeg pass though
[20:21] <ali1234> that isn't a requirement
[20:21] <diddledan_> therefore IT IS LOSSY
[20:21] <diddledan_> FFS
[20:21] <ali1234> the only requirement is that two jpegs uncompress to an identical bitmap, which is entirely possible
[20:23] <ali1234> besides, you absolutely can do that
[20:23] <ali1234> bitmap -> jpeg -> jpeg lossless -> bitmap
[20:23] <ali1234> the second one would be bigger though
[20:24] <diddledan_> your example including lepton wouldn't be -> different jpeg. it would be the original jpeg recreated
[20:24] <ali1234> yes, that is what makes lepton so unusual
[20:24] <diddledan_> that's not unusual
[20:24] <diddledan_> zip
[20:24] <ali1234> name something else that does it?
[20:24] <diddledan_> gzip
[20:24] <diddledan_> xzip
[20:24] <diddledan_> they ALL do the same thing
[20:24] <ali1234> none of those are tied to a specific input format
[20:24] <diddledan_> so?
[20:24] <ali1234> lepton is
[20:24] <diddledan_> so?
[20:25] <ali1234> that's why it is unusual
[20:25] <diddledan_> why?
[20:25] <diddledan_> what makes being tied to a particular file format unusual?
[20:25] <diddledan_> lossless compression it still is
[20:25] <diddledan_> lossless means nothing lost ffs
[20:25] <ali1234> being tied to a specific input format and also being binary-transparent is what makes it unusual
[20:26] <ali1234> i never said it wasn't lossless
[20:26] <ali1234> i said it is more than lossless
[20:26] <ali1234> because lossless doesn't require binary-transparency
[20:26] <diddledan_> YES IT DOES
[20:27] <diddledan_> that's the whole meaning of lossless
[20:27] <ali1234> you keep saying that, but you have nothing to back it up, and it's a definition which precludes most types of lossless compression
[20:27] <diddledan_> name one lossless compression which is cited elsewhere as being lossless where the binary input stream is different from the binary output stream..
[20:28] <diddledan_> and by binary output I mean the uncompressed data in-memory
[20:30] <diddledan_> also the headers don't count unless they're also compressed by the same mechanism as the body
[20:30] <diddledan_> it's the body data we're interested in
[20:30] <diddledan_> i.e. the bits that have the compression applied to them
[20:31] <ali1234> converting a JPEG to a PNG fits this definition
[20:32] <diddledan_> the bitmap output from jpeg is what would be considered the input to png's compression and therefore the stream input will be identical to the stream output. you failed.
[20:32] <ali1234> no, you failed
[20:32] <ali1234> that's precisely why lepton is unusual
[20:32] <ali1234> it has this property that the original jpeg file can be reconstructed
[20:33] <ali1234> no other compression schemes have this property except for file-agnostic ones
[20:34] <ali1234> (lepton isn't a stream compressor)
[20:34] <ali1234> i know they claim it is, but it isn't
[20:35] <ali1234> actually i wonder what happens if you feed it a non-jpeg file
[20:35] <ali1234> maybe it just doesn't compress it at all
[20:35] <ali1234> that would make it a stream compressor i huess
[20:35] <diddledan_> it will either not-compress or it will depress
[20:36] <diddledan_> the only reason they say it works on jpeg is because the algorithm is tuned to the patterns that jpeg compression gives-rise to. you can feed lepton anything and get back the same result
[20:36] <ali1234> that's cool then
[20:36] <diddledan_> lepton will probably cause your non-jpeg file to be bigger though
[20:37] <ali1234> let's test it
[20:37] <ali1234> i'm checking out the source
[20:37] <diddledan_> all compression will have the same problems. not everything can be compressed by your chosen compressor and therefore due to mathematics some things you feed it will be bigger in their "compressed" form
[20:39] <diddledan_> everything I've said is backed-up by wiki (the oracle of man whom shall be trusted in all topics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression
[20:39] <ali1234> it doesn't compress non-jpeg files
[20:40] <diddledan_> are you sure the algorithm doesn't, or is it just that they neutered the tooling to reject it
[20:41] <ali1234> hard to say, the source is quite big
[20:42] <ali1234> it looks like it really only handles jpeg, because what it does is take a jpeg and compress only the coefficients
[20:49] <ali1234> from the comments: https://github.com/packjpg/packJPG
[20:55] <diddledan_> arg @ idiots outside on mopeds
[21:12] <m0nkey_> diddledan_, you played with osx sierra yet?
[21:13] <diddledan_> not in earnest
[21:13] <daftykins> i don't think there's anything in it of worth
[21:14] <diddledan_> siri!
[21:14] <daftykins> Apple iterate too fast now, all their OSs seem to suffer
[21:14] <diddledan_> :-p
[21:14] <daftykins> pfft that's gimmicky rubbish
[21:17] <diddledan_> icloud all the things!
[21:17] <daftykins> ugh :P
[21:17] <daftykins> must say, Apple's storage rates are quite low
[21:21] <diddledan_> trident being renewed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36830923
[21:22] <diddledan_> 472 v 117 in favour
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:31] <diddledan_> yeesh, is that nickname long enough?!
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan whatever to people like you,  I have this nick with good enough reasons
[21:32] <diddledan_> people like me.. I'll have you know there's nobody else like me!
[21:32] <m0nkey_> thank goodness
[21:32] <diddledan_> shush you :-[p
[21:32] <diddledan_> err wonky smilie
[21:33] <diddledan_> better than a wonky donkey I guess
[21:33]  * diddledan_ refrains from mentioning wonky winkies in here 'cos I need to remain family-friendly
[21:34] <diddledan_> wait, did I say that out loud?
[21:34] <diddledan_> damn
[21:36] <diddledan_> interesting: https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/06/GitHub-on-BigQuery-analyze-all-the-open-source-code.html
[21:55]  * m0nkey_ is re-watching Red Dwarf from Season 1
[21:55] <m0nkey_> Now on Season 2, Parallel Universe
[21:55] <diddledan_> dang
[21:55] <diddledan_> that's a lotta dwarf
[21:56] <m0nkey_> It just played "Tongue tied"
[21:56] <m0nkey_> That song makes me smile every time
[21:57] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3t3IKlXqFU
[21:57] <m0nkey_> Then there was a professional version done later
[21:57] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1XYvIUOrM
[21:57] <m0nkey_> It hit No 17 in the charts
[21:58] <m0nkey_> In 1993
[22:02] <diddledan_> this came up next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4gXaq0fmzk
[22:02] <m0nkey_> lol
[22:06] <m0nkey_> Im preparing for the new series this September :)
[22:10] <daftykins> diddledan_: he was rude to you :(
[22:10] <m0nkey_> ?
[22:11] <daftykins> nah not you, sir
[22:21] <daftykins> https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2016/07/ClHnIgKWYAAK0IM.jpg&w=3000
[22:21] <daftykins> pilot snaps a thunderstorm near Panama
[22:21] <diddledan_> NICE!
[22:23] <diddledan_> a shareable link is https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2016/07/ClHnIgKWYAAK0IM.jpg (for facebooks)
[22:24] <daftykins> yeah i was being impatient, i already cut that one down from a nasty image viewer
[22:25] <diddledan_> lol
[22:25] <daftykins> only saw the two segments on pasting :<
[22:34] <daftykins> mmm thai red curry cooking
[22:37] <diddledan_> just been reminiscing over old phones - my parents had this when I was a kid: http://www.gpotelephones.com/USERIMAGES/Picture%20266.jpg
[22:45] <diddledan_> daftykins I've made that thunderstorm my desktop image now
[22:52] <daftykins> :D
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> classic pots. plain old telephone system
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> near indestructible
[23:10] <daftykins> one of my uni lecturers told us about how some high up meeting was started by a fella saying "we're going to talk about POTS and PANS today!"
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> pans personal area networks?
[23:14] <daftykins> don't think so
[23:14] <daftykins> given the era he seemed to be referring to
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> bt now does stretch back into the ancient era... :-)
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> bluetooth that is not british telecom...
[23:20] <diddledan_> android nuggit
[23:21] <diddledan_> with the emphasis on the git
[23:21] <diddledan_> apparently the developer preview is out (who knew?!)
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> the nsa, gchq, fsb...
[23:24] <daftykins> yeah for quite a while, unfortunately they're ignoring my Nexus 5 for it which leads me to believe it isn't going to get N
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> it's more than a few months old and is thus obsolete...
[23:26] <daftykins> yeah, this is what irritates me about the phone situation
[23:27] <daftykins> gotta be current to stay patched and secure, but have to keep shelling out to do so - i just want no part of it :/
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> there are 1-2 build your own rasp pi franken phones
[23:29] <daftykins> ;)
[23:29] <daftykins> no battery
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> use a mifi for data voip. then a pi with touch screen for io and a powerpack
[23:31] <daftykins> nah no contracts for data for me
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> use prepay for data
[23:31] <daftykins> not viable over here
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> ah, yeah, they are trying to eliminate prepay here to.  only tesco left in prepay market.  the rest sell rolling contracts under name prepay
[23:34] <daftykins> i don't really use mobile data too, being an island i'm only ever out and about in the town with mates, or at a place with wifi
[23:34] <daftykins> gonna need to do something in the US this september though :)
[23:34] <zmoylan-pi> then lose the mifi
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> i use mobile date 1-2 days a month.  usually when i'm playing dnd.  means i spend e5 every 2-3 months for phone credit
[23:35] <daftykins> heh
[23:38] <zmoylan-pi> i see contracts been advertised all the time for #30-40 a month and i wonder just how much data people use on those contracts...
[23:40] <zmoylan-pi> and one of our customers back in the days of video rentals had a daughter who spent about 3,000 a month on mobile phone service... pre data... voice and sms while abroad...
[23:42] <daftykins> i think they're all mugs swayed by these silly flagship phones, can't believe it when they're daft enough to let themselves be locked into such rates just to buy a toy
[23:42] <daftykins> "oh but it's free!"
[23:45] <diddledan_> daftykins: I like toys!
[23:45] <diddledan_> daftykins: moar toys!
[23:48] <daftykins> noooo
[23:50] <zmoylan-pi> yellow weather alert for tuesday... 29c possible... i feel whoozy already thinking about it...
[23:50] <diddledan_> omg, not yellow weather!
[23:50] <diddledan_> I hate yellow weather
[23:51] <zmoylan-pi> shiny ball in the sky warning...
[23:51] <diddledan_> ooh, first contact with aliens?
[23:52] <Myrtti> whee bedroom temp is down to 27 already! parteeee
[23:52] <chron> sorry what is yellow weather lol
[23:52]  * daftykins links it to yellow snow
[23:53] <diddledan_> Myrtti: sticky night in bed tonight then :-(
[23:53] <daftykins> i'm sleeping on my sofa at the moment because it reaches 30 deg C up in the bedroom >_<
[23:53] <Myrtti> as always
[23:53] <diddledan_> daftykins: :-(
[23:53] <chron> too hot
[23:53] <Myrtti> I've got a sports shirt on
[23:53] <Myrtti> doesn't help much, but It's something
[23:54] <chron> its nice and cool outside though
[23:54] <zmoylan-pi> i have small 6" fan in bedroom... wonderful breeze... washed hair before bed adding extra cooling as it dries...
[23:54] <diddledan_> I changed my sheets yesterday. helps a bit to have new bedding for a few days
[23:55] <diddledan_> lurve the first night in changed sheets
[23:57] <daftykins> :D
[23:57] <daftykins> clean and showered in the evening, clean bed clothing and PJs/what have you - no chance in 'ell of getting up
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> and also a hot shower so that when you get out you feel wonderfully cool.
[23:57] <diddledan_> lol, yup
[23:58] <daftykins> after 3 years of living here i only just found out the bathroom window upper portion *isn't* painted shut after all
[23:58] <daftykins> finally i don't die of heat having a shower in summer ;_;
[23:59] <diddledan_> ooh.. https://webtorrent.io


[02:05] <Centaur5> faulkes-: Are you here?
[02:33] <faulkes-> Centaur5: you're welcome
[02:48] <stmartin> Hello, I'm currently writing a tutorial on system installation and deployment strategies. I'm not all that familiar with the development efforts of Ubuntu currently. Is there a mechanism to manage what packages should be installed via LDAP or some such in Ubuntu? If not currently, is this something that is being worked on? Thanks.
[02:57] <kgoetz> packages installed via ldap?
[02:58] <stmartin> Yes. I would like to be able to specify in LDAP which packages should be installed, and have the client system maintain that. Probably something to do with cfengine.
[02:58] <kgoetz> thats an abuse of ldap i havent seen before
[02:59] <stmartin> Why would it be an abuse? It is a directory server. That doesn't mean it just does account information.
[03:00] <kgoetz> no it doesnt, but i still think its abuse :)
[03:00] <stmartin> You would hate Novell's eDirectory then I think. ;^)
[03:01] <kgoetz> good guess ;)
[03:01] <stmartin> Do you know of anything in the Ubuntu-scape that addresses the problem of remote package management?
[03:02] <kgoetz> no i dont. launchpad may have a spec on it though. (if there isnt one, ther probably should be)
[03:02] <stmartin> Thanks, will have a look.
[03:04]  * kgoetz muses. wonder how hard it would be to get puppet to read its configs out of ldap
[03:04] <kgoetz> wonder what the schema would look like *heh*
[03:31] <davidof> Hi all
[03:32] <davidof> anybody has /boot mounted in a separated partition from /?
[03:32] <stmartin> I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConfigurationInfrastructure looks like its trying to solve the problem I envisage.
[03:32] <davidof> I mean, /boot in /dev/sda1 and / in /dev/sda5. For example
[03:35] <kgoetz> davidof: yes, lots of people
[03:35] <faulkes-> yes, I typically setup /boot as it's own partition
[03:35] <davidof> kgoetz, I need that menu.lst. I've lost it :'(
[03:35] <davidof> faulkes-, can you give me your boot.lst?
[03:36] <kgoetz> davidof: do you have access to the system in question, and a live cd?
[03:36] <davidof> yes
[03:36] <kgoetz> you can recreate it with grub-intall
[03:37] <davidof> kgoetz, I've launched grub-install but don't do that :(
[03:37] <kgoetz> stmartin: i stopped readin g at 'clients use avahi'
[03:38] <kgoetz> davidof: but what?
[03:38] <stmartin> kgoetz: this one looks better https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates
[03:39] <stmartin> but fundamentally, I think its a partly a problem with Linux's Unix heritage (wrt configuration file management).
[03:40]  * kgoetz shrug
[03:40] <kgoetz> i havent looked into it recently enough
[03:40] <davidof> kgoetz, when I launch grub-install manually from the live-cd... grub-install don't recreate the menu.lst :(. Sorry about my english
[03:40] <stmartin> Although this one looks closest to what I was pondering. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates
[03:40] <stmartin> Whoops, that should be /UpdateServer
[03:45] <stmartin> Puppet looks very interesting.
[03:46] <kgoetz> davidof: you need to mount your partitions, chroot them, and then run it
[03:46] <kgoetz> puppets meant to be cvengine without 500 years of legacy :)
[03:46] <davidof> ok, I'm going to try it :)
[03:46] <kgoetz> not tried it yet though
[03:48] <kgoetz> btw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:53] <davidof> kgoetz, I tell you what I have done. (sda5 = /, sda1 = /boot). # mount /dev/sda5 /mnt # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot # chroot /mnt
[03:53] <kgoetz> davidof: you need to bind in /proc and /dev
[03:53] <kgoetz> before chrooting
[03:53] <davidof> but when I launch grub-install /dev/sda it says "/dev/sda: Not found or not a block device
[03:54] <davidof> ¿?
[03:54] <davidof> bind? how can I bind?
[03:54] <davidof> ln?
[03:54] <kgoetz> mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev/
[03:54] <kgoetz> same for /proc, and (optional) /sys
[03:54] <davidof> oh, thanks
[03:54] <kgoetz> and no, ln wont work, because you cant link to outside a chroot
[03:57] <davidof> uhm, no. There is no menu.lst. Maybe using dpkg-reconfigure grub?
[03:58] <kgoetz> you are looking in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? (just making sure)
[03:58] <davidof> kgoetz, yes. I'm in
[03:59] <davidof> there are device.map, stage1, stage2, .... but no menu.lst :S
[04:00] <kgoetz> brb. work
[04:02] <davidof> brb?
[04:02] <stmartin> be right back
[04:03] <davidof> :"(
[04:05] <davidof> I can create it, can't I?
[04:05] <davidof> title Ubuntu
[04:05] <davidof> root (hd0,0) ? (grub partition)
[04:06] <davidof> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=/dev/sda5 ?
[04:07] <stmartin> I'd help, but I'm not very familiar with grub myself.
[04:09] <kgoetz> ubuntu mangleats grub, so i doubt my debian boot bears any semblence to an ubuntu boot at all
[04:09] <kgoetz> s/boot/menu
[04:10] <stmartin> update-grub creates menu.lst
[04:11] <stmartin> man update-grub
[04:14] <davidof> stmartin, !!!!! now it worked! :). I'm going to reboot "Crossing fingers"
[04:15] <stmartin> Here's a little hint for the future then.
[04:15] <stmartin> dpkg -L grub | less
[04:15] <davidof> O yes!!! I works!!
[04:15] <stmartin> You'll find no mention of menu.lst in there, ergo it must be auto-generated.
[04:16] <davidof> Thanks everybody!! :)
[04:16] <stmartin> If you wanted, you could also look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub.postinstall
[04:16] <kgoetz> now dont delete it again :p
[04:17] <stmartin> You will see that it runs update-grub.
[04:17] <stmartin> A quick check of update-grub(8) and you can figure out the rest.
[04:19] <davidof> Now... What do you think of vmware-server (it's free) vs another options like Qemu or the other.... (don't remember the name). I need it to run windows to give support in my work
[04:20] <davidof> I have always used vmware, but I remember since a time to now, lot of people is using another alternative...
[04:20] <stmartin> I'm currently running Ubuntu quite nicely inside VirtualBox running on FedoraCore. Runs quite nicely, but VirtualBox is a workstation product, not such much a server product.
[04:21] <stmartin> Sound doesn't work though, and XVideo isn't enabled on the host (no privs), so I can't try out the desktop effects in Ubuntu.
[04:21] <stmartin> I'm also using it to try out Solaris
[04:21] <davidof> ahm... oki
[04:22] <stmartin> Underlying hardware is a 20" iMac (but running Fedora)
[04:22] <davidof> Do you prefer Fedora than OsX? I never used OsX
[04:22] <stmartin> I should mention we're an academic institution, so the license allows us to use the vendor-compiled version freely.
[04:23] <stmartin> No! I much prefer OS X. But alas, this is a departmental machine that I am testing software on currently.
[04:23] <davidof> ahm, ok ok :)
[04:23] <stmartin> My upgrade (coming shortly I hope) will be a 24" iMac running Leopard 8-)
[04:24] <stmartin> What are your requirements?
[04:24] <davidof> hehehe. I'd like to test Leopard on my x86 Laptop. Only to see OsX
[04:24] <davidof> requirements? for Virtual Machines? Very poor. Only contability programs (Visual Basic + Access programs) and not much more
[04:25] <stmartin> compatibility?
[04:26] <davidof> no... uhm, bad translation... I'll look for the word
[04:26] <stmartin> accounting?
[04:26] <davidof> yes!
[04:26] <davidof> :D
[04:27] <davidof> Management and accounting.. right?
[04:28] <stmartin> Well, then ideally you would want something that has the ability to make your windows applications share the same desktop space as your native apps. I'm not terribly familiar with the Linux virtualisation space, so I don't know if VMWare Workstation offers that capability. Parallels might, its another cross-platform program. Ubuntu has it available via its partners repository.
[04:30] <davidof> stmartin, wine?
[04:31] <stmartin> that is a possibility. As an IT professional, I would perhaps feel uncomfortable with that as a solution from a stability and support perspective.
[04:31] <stmartin> Qemu would be another obvious choice. Free too.
[04:32] <kgoetz> i saw parrallels get slammed in a review (trying to remember where)
[04:33] <stmartin> performance wise? It depends on the host platform. I've not used it myself (using VirtualBox).
[04:33] <stmartin> although VirtualBox is currently unreleased for Jaguar.
[04:37] <stmartin> I do like the look of VMWare Workstations specs with regard to virtual networking. Up to 10 virtual switches. Seems a bit arbitrary, but at least you can have more than one (via the GUI anyway).
[04:40] <davidof> what I like of VMware is that you can create your own Virtual Network, with several VM machines (caution with the RAM) in the same network, being totaly isolated from the Host
[04:41] <stmartin> Strange though, I don't see any desktop convergence features in any non-Mac hosted products. eg. Parallels Desktop for Mac has its Convergence, and VMWare Fusion has its Unity, but no such feature for Linux or Windows hosts (that I can see)
[04:41] <stmartin> I'm very tempted to write a manageable software ethernet switch, since I teach networking at uni.
[04:42] <stmartin> Lots of interesting applications for VM stuff there.
[04:42] <davidof> desktop convergence? You mean to put a window from Xp (for example) outside Vmware and being integrated in Linux? No.. I think this is not possible
[04:43] <stmartin> You can certainly do it from a Windows guest onto a Mac host.
[04:43] <stmartin> Rather effectively too, from my (short) playing with Parallels and Fusion in my local Mac store.
[04:44] <davidof> oh thats amazing. but you have to run the whole machine, haven't you?
[04:44] <stmartin> Yes.
[04:44] <davidof> I mean, can you run only an aplication? (less resources usage)
[04:45] <stmartin> No, all the OS is still running, but any running applications are merged into the desktop.
[04:45] <antdedyet> a colleague of mine installed MS Vista & XP instances on gutsy using VirtualBox-ose last week and now runs them simultaneously
[04:45] <antdedyet> 3G RAM total, 1G for Vista, 512MB for XP, remaining goes to host
[04:45] <stmartin> davidof: is this for one or many users?
[04:46] <davidof> stmartin, only for me. But I use vmware server because is free :)
[04:46] <davidof> or was...
[04:46] <stmartin> was?
[04:47] <antdedyet> davidof: on ubuntu gutsy and newer: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[04:47] <davidof> was in the past. I'm not sure if now it is free
[04:47] <antdedyet> qemu/kvm is also free, but the GUI is more complete for VirtualBox
[04:47] <stmartin> I see the virtualisation market becoming a bit like the browser market. The basic apps will be free, in order to compete.
[04:47] <davidof> antdedyet, and what about the speed? Becouse for example, I tested Qemu some years ago, and it was toooo sloooowww
[04:48] <antdedyet> GUI = mgmt GUI
[04:48] <stmartin> Where the virtualisation market will differ is in the enterprise integration.
[04:48] <antdedyet> davidof: kvm is the hardware accelerated version of qemu.
[04:48] <kgoetz> qemu virtualises a full system
[04:48] <stmartin> The virtual data-center is where the money is to made in the virtualisation space.
[04:49] <stmartin> vmware server still appears to be free.
[04:49] <kgoetz> no cost at least
[04:49] <stmartin> indeed
[04:50] <antdedyet> VirtualBox was really about the same with and without the cpu instructions enabled
[04:50] <stmartin> but it would have a better upgrade path should you decide your enterprise needs more of this virtual stuff.
[04:51] <stmartin> I found the VT-x instructions did make it go noticably faster. I was installing Solaris at the time, I think.
[04:51] <antdedyet> non-distro packaged software has a better upgrade path?
[04:51] <stmartin> Granted, it wasn't a _whole_ lot faster, but noticeable.
[04:52] <stmartin> no, what I meant that VMWare has a better upgrade path if you want to scale up your virtual infrastructure.
[04:53] <davidof> Oh men! Here in Spain it's 5:53 AM... I think I should sleep a bit :D:D
[04:53] <kgoetz> hehe
[04:53] <faulkes-> welcome to late night and early morning #ubuntu-server
[04:53] <davidof> Thank you all very much, and see you!
[04:53] <faulkes-> the best cable access show around ;)
[04:53] <stmartin> davidof: you think you've got it tough... I have to get to the gym.
[04:53] <davidof> :)
[04:54] <kgoetz> i raise you being at work still :p
[04:54] <stmartin> work != #ubuntu-server ??? wtf?
[04:55] <kgoetz> work == using a vi release from 1996
[04:55] <kgoetz> Version 1.79 (10/23/96) The CSRG, University of California, Berkeley.
[04:55] <kgoetz> silly yanky dates
[04:55] <stmartin> ew. What OS?
[04:55] <kgoetz> Freebsd 4.1
[04:56] <faulkes-> heh
[04:56] <stmartin> Forced obsolescence does have its attractions.
[04:56] <faulkes-> I still have 4.1 cd's kicking around
[04:57] <faulkes-> in fact, I probably have older versions as well
[04:57] <faulkes-> and slackware cd's from err, hmm, '96
[04:57] <kgoetz> slack was on cd in 96?
[05:00] <faulkes-> yes, ordered from cdrom.com back when jfk was still doing freebsd
[05:00] <faulkes-> err, jkh even
[05:00] <faulkes-> afair
[05:00] <faulkes-> 4 cd jewel case, red label iirc
[05:01]  * faulkes- is an old old man
[05:01] <kgoetz> hehehe
[05:02] <faulkes-> when I started using linux, you had to walk up hill, both ways through stacks of floppies 8ft deep, fighting off rabid packs of wolves
[05:03] <kgoetz> when i started you put in a cd and waited a while :p
[05:03] <faulkes-> none of this fancy "cdrom" technology
[05:04]  * faulkes- fondly remembers dd'ing install floppy images
[05:04] <faulkes-> 0.99p1 was the first kernel I ever compiled
[05:05] <faulkes-> like I said, an old old man
[05:05] <faulkes-> now get off my lawn or I'll start talking about bang path addressing and how we wore onions on our belts, that being the fashion of the day
[05:06] <stmartin> Bah, _real_ hackers didn't bother with any of that, that just let a butterfly flap its wings, then digitised the wind on the other side of world and wrote that onto disk. :-[ Actually, that might explain the stability of the early Unix systems.
[05:07] <stmartin> xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe <http://xkcd.org/378/>
[05:08] <stmartin> (shamelessly adapted by /me)
[05:08] <stmartin> poorly
[05:16] <faulkes-> quite.
[05:18] <faulkes-> however, +0 for the attempt ;)
[05:18] <kgoetz> lol
[05:39] <faulkes-> anyways, 00:39 EST and time to try to get some sleep before my phone goes off tomorrow morning
[05:39] <faulkes-> night
[05:40] <kgoetz> later mate
[05:42] <sommer> anyone else experience hardy not tab completing sudo commands?
[07:07] <_ruben> hrm .. trying to get qemu working on hardy alpha4 .. (no kvm due to lack of vt flag) .. getting "Could not initialize SDL - exiting"
[07:41] <_ruben> doh .. its an "access denied" issue
[08:03] <_ruben> and now my keyboard aint working properly .. not on the console (within qemu) nor over vnc .. guess i'll stop experimenting with this for now
[08:05] <AnRkey> i have two samba servers on my network and they seem to mess each other around a bit. how can i see if they are fighting?
[08:06] <AnRkey> soz for the "special" explanation :D
[08:31] <spiekey> morning!
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[09:44] <spiekey_> soren: are you there? :)
[10:38] <TrioTorus_> what is the recommended web-interface to an ubuntu server? Will anything be put forward for Hardy server?
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ebox perhaps. not sure
[10:39] <TrioTorus_> I was looking at ebox, but it seems it is a complete distro of its own. Is integration with Ubuntu possible?
[10:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah, people are working on it
[10:40] <TrioTorus_> Looks very good for what I need though. On the forums I saw some talk about including it with ubuntu?
[10:40] <TrioTorus_> okay, where should I look to follow it up?
[10:40] <dexem> It's intended to have some ebox packages for hardy
[10:40] <dexem> most of them, if it's possible
[10:41] <TrioTorus_> that would be truely fantastic
[10:43] <dexem> TrioTorus_: last meeting log is not ready yet, but when it is ready you can see what it was decided
[10:43] <TrioTorus_> great, thanks
[10:46] <foo> /w 20
[10:46] <Nafallo> no, /win :-)
[11:13] <sergevn> Is there an good solution to give remote login users only an handful of commands in the login shell?
[11:53] <_ruben> sergevn: you'd probably need to set up a restricted chroot environment with only those commands available
[15:25] <moos3> anyone have issues with setting up slapd?
[15:47] <moos3> anyone wake this morning
[15:48] <faulkes-> did you fix the spelling mistake in your configuration file?
[15:49] <moos3> include is the only way i know how to spell include
[15:49] <moos3> I have tried with a capital I and no difference
[15:50] <faulkes-> not the I
[15:50] <moos3> the du needed to switched to ud
[15:50] <faulkes-> incldue/etc/ldap/schema/samba.schema
[15:50] <moos3> yeah I fixed that but no go
[15:51] <faulkes-> ok, is it spitting out new errors now?
[15:51] <moos3> nothing
[15:51] <faulkes-> even with debug on?
[15:51] <moos3> yeah
[15:52] <moos3> I'm thinking something else is stopping it from running
[15:52] <faulkes-> ps -ef | grep slap
[15:52] <faulkes-> and have a look at the log files again
[15:52] <moos3> ok thansk faulkes
[15:52] <faulkes-> if it is exiting abnormally due to an error, it should report it
[15:52] <faulkes-> morning mathiaz
[15:53] <mathiaz> hi faulkes-
[15:53] <faulkes-> anyways, I'm off to the doctors
[16:00] <sommer> hey all, I'm migrating some Tomcat java apps from CentOS to Ubuntu, everytime the apps connect to the db and do a prepareStatement or a createStatement it returns a NullPointer Exception
[16:00] <sommer> I'm not a Tomcat expert by any means, so I was wondering if there was some config I'm missing?
[16:01] <sommer> also I've extraced the connection and query code into a test cli app and it works fine
[16:01] <sommer> so I think the jdbc and everything is setup correctly
[16:03] <sommer> here's the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56084/
[16:20] <CarlF1> lvm vgscan says  "No volume groups found" - it was there yesterday.  what tool will search for it?
[16:21] <sommer> CarlF1: did you use sudo vgscan?
[16:22] <sommer> also do you have dm_mod loaded?
[16:23] <CarlF1> yes, du no.
[16:23] <CarlF1> looking...
[16:23] <CarlF1> (dhu)
[16:24] <CarlF1> yes.  used by 4
[16:25] <sommer> mmm... I take it vgdisplay doesn't return anything either?
[16:27] <CarlF1> vgdisplay =  "No volume groups found"
[16:28] <sommer> are you using lvm+raid?
[16:28] <CarlF1> fdisk shows sda1 start1 end 17847 (whole disk) - I can mount it and get the 100m boot fs.  iv never really looked at how it is setup
[16:28] <faulkes-> sommer: offhand, it looks like a permissions issue, from the stacktrace
[16:28] <faulkes-> sommer: I'm now actually off to the dr.'s I'll check in when I get back
[16:29] <CarlF1> lvm yes.  it is on raided drives, but hardware - so linux just sees sda
[16:29] <zul> sommer: you arent missing a jar file are you?
[16:30] <CarlF1> yeah, dmesg just shows sda: sda1
[16:32] <sommer> zul: I don't think so... I've symlinked the jdbc driver to /usr/share/tomcat5.5/common/lib/
[16:33] <sommer> it's connecting to an Informix db
[16:34] <zul> the user that you have created is allowed to connect from your new machine?
[16:34] <sommer> the tomcat user?
[16:34] <zul> the database user assuming
[16:34] <sommer> yep, that user can connect
[16:35] <zul> try google? :)
[16:35] <sommer> zul: heh... yep, but haven't found much
[16:36] <sommer> It'd be easier if it would give me a jdbc error or connection error or something
[16:36] <sommer> but freakin null error seems to be a million possibilities
[16:36] <sommer> the code, queries, and everything work on the current box
[16:38] <sommer> I'm currently comparing conf/*.xml files between the two, and hoping :-)
[16:47] <CarlF1> sommer: i have used jdbc in jython - might help
[16:48] <sommer> CarlF1: do you mean to run the app from jython?
[16:48] <sommer> or test the connection from jython?
[16:48] <CarlF1> test the connection
[16:49] <sommer> CarlF1: gotcha, the connections good.  I created a test script in java using the same credentials and it worked fine
[16:49] <CarlF1> ah
[16:50] <sommer> after adding the cp /path/to/ifxjdbc.jar anyway
[16:50] <sommer> all jar files in /usr/share/tomcat5.5/common/lib/ are  added to the class path correct?
[16:51] <sommer> I would think that if tomcat didn't see the jdbc driver that it would have a different error than null exception
[16:51] <sommer> but I could be totally wrong about that one!
[16:58] <CarlF1> guessing no source?
[17:01] <sommer> CarlF1: no, I have the source... very home grown app by an admin no longer here, which was also used to learn java, so not the most professional of applications
[17:02] <CarlF1> oh hell...  error handeling seems to be the last thing people bother to impement
[17:03] <sommer> heh... or learn about in java class
[17:03] <sommer> I'm thinking that's my next step to troubleshoot this issue is to whip up a test struts app
[17:05] <CarlF1> fdisk shows sda1 start1 end 17847 (whole disk) - I mount it and get a 100m fs that looks like /boot (kernel, grub/...)
[17:05] <CarlF1> doh
[17:26] <nealmcb> sommer: i haven't caught up with the whole email thread, but http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/server/C/ and http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ still have no version information, and no indication that they aren't 2-year-old dapper documentation (based on the copyright dates).  what are the plans for versioning of the guides and how they will show up?
[17:28] <CarlF1> is there a list of apps on the u-server cd "fix broken system"
[17:29] <sommer> nealmcb: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/server/C/ is the up to date dev version
[17:29] <sommer> nealmcb: I think the copyright part just hasn't been updated in a Makefile somewhere
[17:30] <nealmcb> sommer: will it ever say "hardy" or "gutsy"?  Will it ever have links to versions for other releases?
[17:30] <sommer> nealmcb: there will be a water mark saying "draft" or something similar
[17:31] <sommer> the other releases are at: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/, 7.06, etc
[17:31] <faulkes-> sommer: re: credentials, aside from login/pass, does the user have appropriate privileges within the schema?
[17:31] <sommer> we could also put the version number there somewhere I guess
[17:31] <sommer> faulkes-: yeppers
[17:32] <nealmcb> how does it relate to https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[17:32] <sommer> the serverguide/C/ is the source for the ubuntu-serverguide package while the server/C/ is the help system
[17:33] <nealmcb> pointers to those other versions would help a lot, I think
[17:33] <sommer> what Matt proposed was to develop in serverguide/C/ then sync to server/C/, we've been doing the reverse until now :-)
[17:33] <faulkes-> sommer: LIES! err, I mean, ok, hrrmm, let me think for a bit on it
[17:34] <sommer> faulkes-: cool, thanks for your ideas so far
[17:34] <sommer> nealmcb: I'm not sure I see how pointers would help?
[17:34] <sommer> aside from being convienent
[17:34] <faulkes-> sommer: it's been awhile since I've done java/jboss/tomcat type stuff
[17:34] <nealmcb> sommer: Besides a "draft" marker, will the front page (or all pages?) indicate which version the guide is for?
[17:35] <faulkes-> sommer: I take it the test script you ran, runs the exact same query as the live app?
[17:35] <nealmcb> when someone stumbles across one of the server documentation pages, they should be able to see what version it is for, and how to find the version they need
[17:35] <sommer> nealmcb: sure, I guess... at this point I'm just happy to have the docs built somewhere on the web
[17:36] <sommer> can you reply to the thread with your ideas for the frontpage?
[17:36] <faulkes-> nealmcb: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/C/
[17:36] <faulkes-> nealmcb:  iirc previous versions are listed at the top right
[17:37] <nealmcb> faulkes-: not found....
[17:37] <faulkes-> err, https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C
[17:38] <sommer> faulkes-: what we're thinking is to have the same type of thing here: http://doc.ubuntu.com/
[17:38] <sommer> which is the development version of the docs
[17:38] <nealmcb> faulkes-: right - I'm just asking that the url that I posted to start with (the latest, at  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/server/C/ and/or http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ ) indicate what version it is, and link to those other versions.
[17:39] <sommer> nealmcb: I'm sure we can do that, but I think Matt East is the only one outside conanical with access
[17:40]  * faulkes- nods nealmcb
[17:48]  * nealmcb writes to the list....
[17:48] <sommer> cool thanks nealmcb
[17:48] <nealmcb> thanks for the updates, folks
[17:50] <nealmcb> sommer: speaking of versions.... is there a bzr section planned in the Version Control chapter?
[17:52] <sommer> nealmcb: I've actually been meaning to enquire about that myself
[17:52] <sommer> in the logs there was at one point, and in the ml archive there's requests for one, but now there isn't
[17:53] <sommer> I think it may have been because bzr was pretty new at the time, but that would need to be confirmed
[17:53] <nealmcb> or git - that has some very cool features
[17:53] <sommer> the other thing may be that there mostly desktop "style" apps
[17:54] <sommer> but covering setting up bzr, git, etc servers should be covered
[17:54] <nealmcb> desktop style?
[17:55] <sommer> heh... my term for used mostly on development desktops
[17:55] <sommer> at least that's mostly how I use them
[17:55] <nealmcb> I keep wanting a nice version control profile for versioning stuff in /etc et al.
[17:56] <nealmcb> bzr seems to do it fine, but I haven't had to use it in a crisis
[17:56] <sommer> that would be cool, I copy configs to a folder in my home then commit from there :)
[17:57] <nealmcb> git might be better there because of its security features (sha1 on everything)
[17:57] <sommer> that's cool... haven't used git much myself
[17:58] <nealmcb> git - the filesystem - the platform:  http://www.advogato.org/person/apenwarr/diary/371.html
[17:59] <nealmcb> randall schwartz talk on git at google - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3999952944619245780
[17:59] <nealmcb> (better than the talk there by linux....)
[17:59] <sommer> heh, I'll have to check those out... I did watch the one by Linus
[18:00] <nealmcb> "hear linus rant about cvs" :-(
[18:00] <sommer> ya, I thought he was unnecessarily rude in that talk
[18:00] <nealmcb> "rant, Linux, rant!"
[18:00] <nealmcb> s/linux/linus/ !!
[18:16] <moos3> when i run smbldap-populate -u 3000 -g 3000 i'm getting the following errors and I'm not sure why http://pastebin.org/19756
[18:19] <sommer> moos3: looks like you need to execute the command with user creds
[18:20] <moos3> like sudo command
[18:20] <moos3> because I'm all ready su in as root
[18:20] <sommer> I think more for the ldap user with rights to modify the directory
[18:21]  * faulkes- would agree
[18:23] <faulkes-> sommer: on the last three lines of that stack trace, how difficult would it be for you to add some error reporting?
[18:24] <moos3> I can't figure out how to specify a user tho
[18:25] <sommer> faulkes-: shouldn't be to hard, is there something specific I should add?
[18:29] <sommer> faulkes-: there is a try and catch around the getConnection() statement
[18:32]  * faulkes- nods
[18:32] <faulkes-> I'm not a java guy perse, however, you should be able to pull out additional details on what happend
[18:33] <faulkes-> normally, for me with php (try / catch) I usually increase the verbosity of the messages
[18:33] <sommer> okay, I'll do some digging and add some
[18:33] <moos3> faulkes you have any idea on this topic
[18:33] <faulkes-> on how to specifcy a user?
[18:33] <moos3> yeah
[18:34] <moos3> all the tutorials just say run it
[18:34] <faulkes-> give me a moment
[18:34] <moos3> ok thanks
[18:38] <faulkes-> http://pastebin.org/19760
[18:38] <faulkes-> I would check those settings in /etc/slapd.conf
[18:39] <faulkes-> or wherever slapd.conf is located
[18:40] <moos3> yeah
[18:40] <faulkes-> you'll excuse if I may get a little confused, 10mg's of diazepam is kicking in right about now
[18:40] <moos3> lol
[18:41] <moos3> what did you have done, surgery?
[18:41] <faulkes-> I have 5 bulding discs in my back as well as some other issues with my muscles
[18:41] <faulkes-> s/bulding/bulging
[18:42] <moos3> dam dude, I have a good idea what your going though my dad has 18 inches of discs fused,
[18:48] <faulkes-> yes well, I'm not one to let it stop me, "suck it up, walk it off" and al that ;)
[18:49] <faulkes-> but yeah, overall, not fun
[19:04] <moos3> yeah, I know the idea behind just suck it up and walk it off, consider I'm in the army I know the feeling I delt with cyst on my tailbone for the past 7 years and ignored the pain
[19:04] <moos3> I got it to work
[19:05] <moos3> but now auth-client-config wont accept my custom profile
[19:05] <faulkes-> heh, most army folks are familiar witht he suck it up / walk it off concept
[19:06] <faulkes-> "but I've just lost both legs!", "that's an order trooper, now move!"
[19:06] <moos3> yeah
[19:07] <moos3> I dont think I could ever work in the private sector again
[19:07] <faulkes-> heh
[19:07]  * faulkes- <heart> private sector
[19:07] <moos3> i doing now and i hate it
[19:08] <faulkes-> public sector here is teh suck, unless of course you are a private sector consultant to the public sector ;)
[19:09] <moos3> lol yeah I'm a IT advisor to a few non-profits and a couple for-profits
[19:10] <moos3> while i'm home for a couple more weeks
[19:11] <moos3> auth-client-config: error: option -p: invalid choice: '/etc/auth-client-config/profile.d/open_ldap' (choose from 'ldap_example', 'lac_ldap', 'kerberos_example')
[19:11] <moos3> is the error i"m getting running auth-client-config -a -p open_ldap
[19:12] <faulkes-> check that open_ldap exists, is readble and has the appropriate setup would be my first suggestion
[19:12] <faulkes-> noting that I'm not an ldap expert
[19:22] <moos3> its there because I made the file and the perimissions are right I'm assuming its something in the file that is breaking it
[19:25] <moos3> heres the open_ldap file http://pastebin.org/19769
[19:31] <Goosemoose> hey dendrobates, how's your AD integration coming along?
[19:31] <vipaca> Im having trouble getting apt-get to work with my http proxy
[19:32] <vipaca> Is there something that I missing
[19:32] <dendrobates> Goosemoose: It is in universe in Hardy.
[19:32] <Yacine> hello!
[19:32] <Goosemoose> dendrobates, will your download on https://launchpad.net/~dendrobates/+archive work on gusty?
[19:32] <Yacine> I am having problems with updating my ubuntu server!
[19:32] <Yacine> Any help?
[19:33] <dendrobates> Goosemoose: perhaps
[19:33] <Yacine> I get error messages like Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[19:33] <Yacine>   Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[19:33] <dendrobates> Goosemoose: I haven't tried.
[19:34] <Yacine> Everything see,s to be ok but no way to update or upgrade!
[19:34] <Goosemoose> dendrobates, i dont see the file to download and try
[19:35] <Goosemoose> dendrobates, or is it just in packages.gz?
[19:36] <dendrobates> Goosemoose: add the line 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/dendrobates/ubuntu hardy main' to /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:38] <dendrobates> Goosemoose: or go here http://ppa.launchpad.net/dendrobates/ubuntu/pool/main/l/likewise-open/
[19:40] <Goosemoose> ok, looking
[19:44] <zul> Yacine: do you have a network connection?
[19:45] <vipaca> does the server come with a text based web browsing app?
[19:46] <vipaca> or can someone give me a good way to test my http proxy
[19:46] <vipaca> right now Im having problems using apt-get
[20:02] <sommer> vipaca: it does w3m http://whatever_site
[20:04] <vipaca> thanks I got it workingi
[20:05] <sommer> np
[20:31] <vipaca> Are there any windows managers included in the distro?
[20:59] <Goosemoose> dendrobates, i added that line to the sources.list on my server. now what would i need to do to get it installed via preseed? I dont see any documentation yet
[21:15] <vipaca> n e one have experience with NIS on ubuntu
[21:20] <antdedyet> vipaca: I don't ... sorry
[21:21] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: add pkg 'likewise-open' to the preseed pkg install list
[21:21] <Goosemoose> antdedyet, ok, thanks, ill do that, what do i need to do to configure it
[21:21] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: I don't know the technical details of your preseed, but I will help you find them if you need.
[21:22] <Goosemoose> yeah, that would be great
[21:22] <Goosemoose> ive been having a hard time
[21:22] <antdedyet> baby steps. :)
[21:25] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: what documentation are you using to setup your preseed?
[21:38] <Goosemoose> antdedyet, just an example file that one of the guys here gave me
[21:38] <Goosemoose> i have it working except for likewise
[21:40] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: can you pastebin the config? I don't have a record of it without digging thru a pile of logs.
[21:40] <Goosemoose> sure, just a sec
[21:42] <Goosemoose> http://pastebin.com/d721521b1
[21:59] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: ah, ok, sorry for the delay ... got busy with client work
[21:59] <Goosemoose> no problem
[22:01] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: on the line: "d-i     pkgsel/include string ..." (... denotes the rest of the pkg list, append "likewise-open" (no double quotes)
[22:03] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: http://pastebin.com/d7f3b0c98
[22:06] <adm2> can someone help with boot command append to get past bug in debian-install
[22:06] <adm2> ?
[22:08] <adm2> install freezes on libc6-udeb
[22:11] <Goosemoose> antdedyet, ok
[22:14] <antdedyet> adm2: What ubuntu source are you using for the install?
[22:15] <adm2> ubuntu-server 7.10, ive found some posts in the forums, but no solution so far.
[22:16] <adm2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=557103
[22:16] <adm2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=529549
[22:16] <adm2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82017
[22:16] <adm2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68662
[22:17] <antdedyet> adm2: have you tried the alternative installation iso?
[22:17] <adm2> not yet...
[22:18] <antdedyet> seems like the alt cd may only be applicable to the "Desktop" version
[22:18] <Goosemoose> antdedyet, my problem is more how do i configure this package to work
[22:23] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: by using a "d-i" line for "domainjoin-cli" after installing likewise-open, I would imagine.
[22:23] <Goosemoose> where can i find info on that line
[22:23] <Goosemoose> i need it to join a domain called dhs.local
[22:25] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: i installed the pkg and ran 'domainjoin-cli -h', there doesn't seem to be a man page supplied though
[22:26] <antdedyet> "domainjoin-cli join dhs.local adminuser adminpass"
[22:26] <antdedyet> insert your correct values for adminuser and adminpass
[22:26] <Goosemoose> darn, dendrobates left too
[22:26] <antdedyet> yep.
[22:26] <Goosemoose> ok, where did you find that?
[22:26] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: I installed the pkg ... :)
[22:27] <Goosemoose> ok, let me test on a machine
[22:27] <antdedyet> I like to know things work before adding them to an automated installer. :)
[22:27] <Goosemoose> so the d-i line would need to call a script?
[22:27] <Goosemoose> i couldn't just write it directly, correct?
[22:28] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: probably safer to write an executable script
[22:28] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: s/safer/cleaner
[22:28] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:29] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: you should install the likewise-open in your preseed and then use the late_command to join a domain.
[22:29] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: but I don't see why you couldn't put the values directly in there, assuming no problem with shell escapes and such (remember, I've never did a pre-seed install -- just learning as we go. :) )
[22:29] <Goosemoose> i dont think you can put commands directly in, not sure
[22:29] <Goosemoose> mathiaz, you saying to run a script with the late_command or call the command
[22:30] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: either way will work with the late_command
[22:30] <Goosemoose> also can i encrypt that password using md5?
[22:30] <Goosemoose> ahh ok
[22:30] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: Add the following line to your preseed: "d-i pkgsel/include string likewise-open"
[22:30] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: that installs the likewise-open
[22:30] <antdedyet> Yep.
[22:31] <Goosemoose> yeah we got that part
[22:32] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: and then to run a command: "d-i preseed/late_command string domain-join join ...."
[22:32] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: add "d-i preseed/late_command string domainjoin-cli join dhs.local adminuser adminpass" to your preseed after the .. yep, mathiaz
[22:32] <Goosemoose> gotcha
[22:33] <Goosemoose> i just tried to do an apt-get install of the package just on one machine to play with, but it says it cant find it
[22:33] <antdedyet> except, the command is domainjoin-cli for me in hardy ... :)
[22:33] <Goosemoose> i added dendrodytes server though
[22:33] <Goosemoose> im using gusty tsill
[22:33] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: yes - you need to have your repository configured correctly.
[22:33] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install likewise-open"
[22:33] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: likewise-open is not the archive yet.
[22:33] <Goosemoose> i did this:  add the line 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/dendrobates/ubuntu hardy main' to /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:33] <antdedyet> mathiaz: he added dendrobate's PPA to his sources.list
[22:34] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: you can configured another repository in the preseed too.
[22:34] <Goosemoose> unless i need to restart something
[22:34] <mathiaz> antdedyet: ah ok. I was thinking about the preseed file.
[22:34] <Goosemoose> right now my server acts as apt-cacher
[22:34] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: you'll have to configure dendrobates PPA in your preseed file.
[22:34] <Goosemoose> shouldn't it pull it from the server?
[22:35] <Goosemoose> wait, right now im just trying to install it on the server itself
[22:35] <Goosemoose> i added the PPA but it doesn't work, do i need to restart a service?
[22:35] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: You will need to "sudo apt-get update"
[22:35] <Goosemoose> ahh just saw that
[22:35] <Goosemoose> running now
[22:35] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: that will refresh all sources that you are pulling pkgs from
[22:35] <antdedyet> k
[22:36] <Goosemoose> hmm, broken packages
[22:36] <Goosemoose> unmet dependencies
[22:37] <Goosemoose> gotta instll a few other things first i guess
[22:37] <Goosemoose> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:37] <Goosemoose>   likewise-open: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 is to be installed
[22:37] <Goosemoose>                  Depends: libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2) but 1.6.dfsg.1-7build1 is to be installed
[22:37] <Goosemoose>                  Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7) but it is not installable
[22:37] <Goosemoose> i just tried installing libc6 it says i have the latest
[22:38] <antdedyet> ok, so now we find out that dendrobate's pkg is not compatible with gutsy!
[22:38] <Goosemoose> lol
[22:38] <Goosemoose> yeah he wasn't sure
[22:38] <antdedyet> you never know, until you've journeyed
[22:38] <Goosemoose> i wonder if the normal likewise-open package is
[22:38] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: probably, as it has been built for gutsy.
[22:38] <antdedyet> Goosemoose: the one off likewise's site is for gutsy.
[22:38] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: but you may not get the same version.
[22:39] <antdedyet> I saw it successfully install on a desktop Wednesday, but we were unable to make it join the domain
[22:39] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: I think that dendrobates has a more recent version than the one from likewies.
[22:39] <antdedyet> (at least via the gui)
[22:39] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:39] <antdedyet> mathiaz: you're correct.
[22:39] <mathiaz> antdedyet: what was the error ?
[22:40] <antdedyet> mathiaz: hmm, I don't recall, but it hard locked the machine
[22:40] <Goosemoose> ok so off the likewise site is: http://www.likewisesoftware.com/bits/likewise-open_4.0.0-1likewise1_i386.deb
[22:40] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: yeah - that's an old version.
[22:40] <Goosemoose> damn
[22:41] <Goosemoose> where would a newer version be?
[22:42] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: It hasn't been put on the website I think.
[22:42] <Goosemoose> will the old version work?
[22:42] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: you could try to take the package from hardy and rebuild it for gutsy.
[22:42] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: I don't know. You should try.
[22:43] <Goosemoose> im not an advanced linux user, i can run my lamp servers, been doing that for years, and admin 500 computer windows network with 7 servers
[22:43] <Goosemoose> just learning preseed and this sort of stuff
[22:43] <Goosemoose> ok ill try the old one
[22:44] <antdedyet> Unfortunately, the machine that the 4.0.0 is on here is shutdown and I don't have login credentials for it ... the guy is out of office helping Kiwani's setup for Pancake Day tomorrow
[22:45] <antdedyet> ah, I get 'domain can't be resolved' on my laptop w/ the hardy pkg
[22:46] <antdedyet> resolv.conf is using the win2003 ad server for dns (it serves dns as well)
[22:47]  * antdedyet logs
[22:48] <Goosemoose> strange
[22:48] <Goosemoose> i tried installing the deb package, told dependicies were missing
[22:48] <Goosemoose> tries install those and told i couldnt but to run
[22:48] <Goosemoose> apt-get -f install
[22:49] <Goosemoose> i did that and the likewise started and asked me for the domain name
[22:49] <Goosemoose> entered it, clicked ok
[22:49] <Goosemoose> got ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[22:49] <Goosemoose> so im guessing it work, or is trying to
[22:51] <Goosemoose> damn
[22:51] <Goosemoose> leia@Leia:/var/www$ kinit
[22:51] <Goosemoose> kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in realm DHS.LOCAL while getting initial credentials
[22:51] <Goosemoose> tried getting a ticket
[22:52]  * antdedyet sips fresh coffee
[22:54]  * antdedyet hopes there will be a README.Debian for the final hardy pkg
[22:54] <antdedyet> ah, new release availabe
[23:04] <adm2> ah well, thanks for your help
[23:11] <moos3> anyone see anything wrong with this http://pastebin.org/19769
[23:31] <antdedyet> does this denote a bug can be filed against likewise-open now? :
[23:31] <antdedyet> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/likewise-open/+filebug
[23:31] <antdedyet> or does the bug report fail later in the process?
[23:38] <moos3> anyone made a auth-ldap-client profile before ?
[23:38] <moos3> http://pastebin.org/19769
[23:46] <antdedyet> moos3: I don't see anything wrong with that profile. Have you verified proper settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
[23:46] <antdedyet> welp, time for me to shutdown and play nomad.
[23:47] <antdedyet> bbiab, hopefully.
[23:49] <moos3> yeah


[03:29] <Splex> anyone here have the everun?
[04:47] <Splex> persia: i finally figured out why my usb device wasn't booting.... i had to run lilo -M /dev/sdb to repair the MBR... apparently was corrupt
[07:50] <adityav> hi, i wanted to know if AIGO P8860 is supported by ubuntu-mobile
[08:04] <Splex> anyone know if there is a page listing supported devices?
[12:22] <persia> Splex, Good to hear.
[12:24] <persia> adityav: There's some people who have had success with some AIGO devices: I'm not sure which ones.
[12:24] <persia> Splex, If there is a page showing supported devices, it's probably out of date.
[12:42] <Splex> persia: it doesn't work on my everun :(
[12:42] <Splex> the screen is white and if i try to boot to the prompt, the keyboard doesn't even respond
[16:05] <kblin> hi folks
[16:06] <kblin> ah, wrong # :)
[21:20] <DD26> Is there a way to get the touchscreen correctly calibrated on a Samsung Q1-Ultra?


[13:31] <fenns> is this the official channel now rather than freenode?
[13:32] <sixwheeledbeast> all ubuntu channels have moved to libera AFAIK
[13:36] <fenns> ah thanks
[13:39] <Mekaneck> fenns: most activity is on discord though these days
[13:39] <Mekaneck> and the forum (discourse)


[00:01] <Psi-Jack> I'd planned actually to report that one, attach it to the lsb one, but everytime I try to give launchpad a URL to the bug report it fails.
[00:01] <ScottK> Psi-Jack: We do need to be able to backport to Hardy and Dapper where there is no status function, so part of why it's the way it is is a mimimal diff for that.
[00:01] <ScottK> Please keep that separate.
[00:06] <Psi-Jack> What was the last version of Ubuntu to actually have an init.d-based mysql, before going to upstart?
[00:06] <ScottK> Psi-Jack: Also we prefer to just have the bug open against the place it needs to be fixed, not all the packages that are affected by the bug ("Also affects" is poorly names)
[00:06] <ScottK> That's why all the other tasks got marked invalid.
[00:07] <ScottK> Not sure, but probably karmic.
[00:07] <Psi-Jack> Okay, cool. :)
[00:59] <bdmurray> bug 462862 is fixed if somebody wants to take care of it
[00:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 462862 in jirc (Ubuntu) "Sync jirc 1.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462862
[01:00] <bdmurray> bug 495247 too
[01:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 495247 in json-glib (Ubuntu) "Please sync json-glib to latest stable release (0.8.0) from Debian (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495247
[01:00] <bdmurray> bug 617274 too
[01:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617274 in mumble-django (Ubuntu) "Sync mumble-django 2.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617274
[01:00] <bdmurray> bug 613998
[01:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613998 in baltix (and 1 other project) "Please sync php-mail-mime 1.8.0 from SID (affects: 2) (heat: 35)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613998
[01:01] <bdmurray> and bug 611489
[01:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611489 in ubuntu "Sync python-cogent 1.4.1-1 (universe) from Debian sid (non-free) (affects: 1) (heat: 28)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611489
[01:01] <bdmurray> and bug 672470
[01:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 672470 in ubuntu "Sync python-fastimport 0.9.0~bzr293-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 172)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672470
[01:04] <bdmurray> free karma!
[01:06] <greg-g> :)
[01:28] <greg-g> all taken care of :-)
[01:51] <drizzle> hi all
[01:51] <drizzle> i need a big favor
[01:51] <greg-g> oh?
[01:51] <drizzle> yes
[01:51] <drizzle> can someone set the importance of a bug for me please
[01:51] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/683496
[01:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683496 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "Main gnome toolbars arent visible (dup-of: 683873)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683873 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-panel stopped autostarting (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[01:52] <drizzle> a recent update in natty has removed gnome-panel from starting on boot
[01:53] <micahg> drizzle:  I think a fix is already in the works for that, but don't quote me
[01:53] <greg-g> yeah, that issue is known and being worked on
[01:53] <greg-g> I don't know of the specific bug that is being tracked, sorry
[01:53] <drizzle> ok
[01:53] <drizzle> will check
[01:54] <micahg> is this bug 682345
[01:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 8) (dups: 4) (heat: 60)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[01:54] <charlie-tca> yup, on live cd
[01:55] <charlie-tca> Is it on installed systems, too?
[01:55] <drizzle> yes
[01:55] <drizzle> this happened to me after an update via synaptic
[01:55] <drizzle> easy work-around is to add gnome-panel as a startup application
[01:56] <charlie-tca> hm, The fix is in already, for it. about 2 hours ago
[11:10] <njin> bug 684083 natty 20101202 don't start after installing nvidia drivers
[11:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684083 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Plymouth hangs after installation of nvidia drivers on natty 20101202 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684083
[11:11] <njin> deleting quiet splash works
[11:33] <njin> bug 68410
[11:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 68410 in paramiko "Install on Mac OS X fails" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68410
[11:33] <njin> bug 684100
[11:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684100 in unity (Ubuntu) "20101202 drag and drop to trash icon not working (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684100
[14:38] <bcurtiswx_> vish, if a papercut is being worked on by the upstream people already.. does this invalidate the papercut ?
[14:39] <vish> bcurtiswx_: nope.. anyone can fix a papercut.. so if an upstream fixes it, it's great :)
[14:41] <bcurtiswx_> vish, would that make it triaged though?
[14:41] <bcurtiswx_> for the papercut?
[14:42] <vish> bcurtiswx_: yea, we can leave it as triaged.. or if the person is registered on lp and is working with upstream, we can assign the bug to them and mark as in-progress
[14:42] <bcurtiswx_> OK
[14:42] <vish> bcurtiswx_: make sure to just assign a milestone for the bug as well..
[14:43] <bcurtiswx_> is there a list of the milestones?
[14:43] <vish> bcurtiswx_: https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/natty
[14:51] <htorque> vish, any news on bug 620041? everytime i see the brighter messages indicator icon (http://img.xrmb2.net/images/775250.png), i gotta think about it :P
[14:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620041 in ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu) "[ubuntu-mono-dark] Inconsistent main color (affects: 1) (heat: 35)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620041
[14:55] <vish> htorque: well, i did only a few of the UM icons.. i'm pretty sure nobody would redo 139 icons.. :(  and not sure if they would be willing to look into replacing with sed, especially since not many seem to have noticed the difference ;)
[14:57] <vish> htorque: changes in color like , ebe4d2 / ebe4d1 / ebe4d0 are very very minuscule and will never be detected by the human eye.. ;)
[14:58]  * vish wonders if htorque is bionic ;p
[14:58] <htorque> vish, sure, but i can easily spot the difference of #DFD8C8 and #EAE3D0 on a ten year old crt monitor: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54237046/dfd8c8-vs-eae3d0.png
[14:59] <vish> yea, #DFD8C8 and #EAE3D0 would be different
[14:59] <htorque> vish, i was just asking, because it would be easy to fix via sed (once you guys would agree on one color)
[14:59] <htorque> htorque, but maybe i'm too pedantic :P
[15:00] <vish> :)
[15:00] <htorque> why did i tell this myself? :D
[15:03] <vish> htorque: hmm, #DFD8C8 is the main color, but it seems inkscape adjusts the colors a bit, i'm not exactly sure why it does that..
[15:04] <vish> looks like when we group the paths, sometimes it auto-adjusts color a bit..
[15:04] <htorque> vish, strange, because it seems to work in ubuntu-mono-light
[15:04] <vish> htorque: and we need to group the icons so that the transparency is properly used
[15:06] <vish> htorque: yeah, not sure why.. but i'm pretty sure nobody would have selected the other colors on purpose.. ;)
[20:50] <njin> bug 684423
[20:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684423 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu 20101202 amd64, install crash with exception during installation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684423
[20:51] <micahg> !msgthebot | njin
[20:51] <ubot2> njin: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".
[20:53] <njin> micahg: ?
[20:53] <micahg> njin: if you're looking for bug info w/out relevance to others in the channel, it's best to query the bot directly
[23:57] <caravena> Hello, debug package? http://paste.ubuntu.com/539205/
[23:57] <caravena> Hello ogra =)