[12:00] <anto9us> forester: I think ubuntu is debian based, not debian dependant
[12:00] <amonkey> i'm using the xorg.conf file that i had with my last install of ubuntu on exactly the same hardware and twinview won't work. the only difference is that i'm using nv instead of nvidia because x won't start with nvidia, and now my second screen just shows fanciful ascii animations.
[12:00] <glickinator> i dont get canonical
[12:00] <glickinator> why they are doing this
[12:01] <glickinator> its a corporation but they dont sell anythin
[12:01] <forester> anto9us: I think it is dependent.
[12:02] <glickinator> does anyone know why?
[12:02] <nickrud> glickinator, their web site says they're gonna make money teaching companies how to support ubuntu
[12:02] <pykon> hola alguien habla espaol?
[12:03] <forester> glickinator: There are many possibilities. Look at redhat. :p
[12:03] <pykon> como puedo instalar amsn en mi computadora ?
[12:03] <restrex> pykon me
[12:03] <restrex> pykon you can install amsn just doing that: sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:03] <pykon> bueno la verdad es que me acabo de instalar ubuntu ayer
[12:03] <glickinator> forester, how long have they been around/
[12:03] <urb85> restrex, can u use the cam as well?
[12:03] <pykon> y soy nuevo en esto de linux
[12:04] <restrex> urb85 yes, if you want I can get sex by webcam, no prob, fuck you.
[12:04] <anto9us> forester: distinct but parallel, is the term used on the ubuntu website http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[12:04] <restrex> pykon bueno la cosa es bastante simplecita, es hacer ese comando no ma :P
[12:04] <pykon> jajaj
[12:05] <forester> anto9us: Sounds like business-friendly speak.
[12:05] <restrex> pykon go to #ubuntu-es los grngos se ponen medios wnes :)
[12:05] <glickinator> how long has ubuntu been around?
[12:05] <forester> The real question is simply whether or not they have their own army of package maintainers.
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: 2004 I believe.
[12:05] <monteiro> i've installed lmsensors but now the motherboard is always beeping, how i take out the beep ? (it's beeping because when i make the command sensors there are values that have ALARM)
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Lates 2004.
[12:05] <urb85> restrex, u arrogant piece of sh1t, I was just asking!!!!!
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Research.
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Research.
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Research.
[12:06] <restrex> urb85 wuahahhahahahaha
[12:06] <glickinator> i just dont want to get attached to ubuntu and then they disappear or something
[12:06] <anto9us> forester: maybe, but it sounds like non-dependant to me :)
[12:06] <forester> ubuntu.com was registered may 29 2004
[12:06] <urb85> restrex, I don't need sex on cam, I am not that perv, I have got my family in another country and I need to talk to them via webcam!
[12:06] <restrex> urb85 sorry man, here are so much people that attacks, so I go in a deffensive way here, sorry man :)
[12:06] <drasko> join #jack
[12:06] <nickrud> glickinator, once you've used ubuntu, you can use debian just fine, and that's probably gonna be around a bit
[12:07] <dcraven> drasko: no
[12:07] <glickinator> nickrud, i use debian now :)
[12:07] <urb85> restrex, I haven't found any cam software for Linux so I was curious if aMsn was the kind
[12:07] <nickrud> glickinator, then what's the prob? :)
[12:07] <dcraven> urb85: Gnomemeeting works so I hear.
[12:07] <darkaudit> urb85: gnomemeeting
[12:07] <pykon> como puedo instalar      amsn en mi ordenador?
[12:07] <nickrud> glickinator, the thing that struck me most, was there was no outcry on the debian mail lists.
[12:08] <restrex> pykon sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:08] <urb85> dcraven, darkaudit, thanks a lot
[12:08] <restrex> urb85 yep, gnomemmeting is the way
[12:08] <pykon> que es eso de apt-get
[12:08] <darkaudit> gnomemeeting even works using DV camcoeders
[12:08] <glickinator> yeah i i think ubuntu has surpassed debian in popularity
[12:08] <lotusleaf> urb85, http://lotusleaf.nermal.net/linux-camerawebcam.html
[12:08] <forester> ubuntulinux.org was also registerd may of 2004
[12:08] <forester> the "version 4" release was in October.
[12:08] <nickrud> that was quick
[12:09] <ahuman01> nickrud, yea tried all that .. thing is i didnt change a thing .. atleast if I did , I dont know what it was. Spkr works fine thru the beep utility
[12:09] <restrex> but there's people hat have developed the msn enconding, so you will be able to view webcam by gaim or another client that will implement that.
[12:09] <forester> version 5 in april of this year
[12:09] <anto9us> pykon: try synaptit you may find it easier :)
[12:09] <anto9us> ^synaptic
[12:09] <nickrud> ahuman01, it was a shot, beep has been a mystery to me also
[12:09] <pykon> http://www.apt-get.org/
[12:09] <restrex> pykon: slo abre un terminal o consola y has el comando que te dije, eso va a funcionar, y si no, lo dices
[12:10] <urb85> restrex, thanks, hope u calm down now :)
[12:10] <neul> hey yall... i have a couple very basic questions about the ubuntu download...
[12:10] <urb85> lotusleaf, thanks
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> Hi everybody
[12:10] <lotusleaf> urb85, yw ;)
[12:10] <shido6> question..
[12:10] <shido6> not that Im upset...
[12:10] <anto9us> hi neul
[12:10] <restrex> urb85 yea, sorry. for now, you only can use Gnome Meeting :) good luck :)
[12:10] <shido6> Prescott - says I have 2 cpu's and one is at 100% the other is at 12%
[12:10] <neul> hi anto(us
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> listen -- how do you delete a users home directory after you've removed them from the users area of preferences?
[12:11] <neul> +9 -)
[12:11] <neul> the dl gives u an ISO image... correct?
[12:11] <babis> thank you all for your help with xine audio problem
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> i tried deleting the home folder through nautilus and was given an error saying that i dont have permission
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> so
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> i assume it has to be done with sudo thru commandline?
[12:11] <anto9us> shadeofgrey: sudo rm -r /home/<user>
[12:11] <nickrud> shadeofgrey, first try sudo deluser <user>
[12:12] <nickrud> lag
[12:12] <darkaudit> neul: yes... and most burning software, like k3b or nero, will extract to a usable CD/DVD when it burns
[12:12] <dcraven> or nautilus.
[12:12] <pykon> lo intentar
[12:12] <anto9us> shadeofgrey: this will get rid of the confirmation prompt - sudo -r -f /home/<user>
[12:13] <neul> so-- i am downloading from Win ME-- get nero first, then download?
[12:13] <dcraven> Wow.. ME?
[12:13] <ukato> hello everyone
[12:13] <anto9us> neul: you need some software that will write an iso image, nero will do that
[12:13] <neul> bingo
[12:13] <darkaudit> neul: most burning apps will extract a .ISO file...
[12:13] <urb85> restrex, ta, np :)
[12:13] <ukato> what's the command to run samba
[12:13] <pietro> where evolution save the configuration of mail accounts ?
[12:13] <ukato> just "samba" at a terminal?
[12:13] <Choubaka> neul: no matter how much you would hate linux, You will do yourself a favour by not using ME.
[12:14] <Choubaka> ;)
[12:14] <neul> choubaka:  it is still a free country, nevertheless
[12:14] <shadeofgrey> neul:  install nero first.  then download the install iso and burn it through nero using File-->Burn Image
[12:14] <restrex> urb85 :) and sorry again :)
[12:14] <Choubaka> neul: which country?
[12:15] <neul> USA... duhh
[12:15] <anto9us> neul: we're trying to free the world ;)
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> once the iso is burned, reboot the machine and boot from CD.  you may need to set bios options to change your boot order before booting from CD will work
[12:15] <Choubaka> neul: Not very free from my perspective.
[12:15] <neul> ty shadeofgrey, that is crystal clear  :)
[12:15] <dcraven> haha.. I was just gonna say. USA is free?
[12:15] <Choubaka> Well, anyway.
[12:15] <urb85> restrex, np i understand
[12:15] <ukato> can i ask a quick question
[12:16] <neul> not as in "inexpensive", but yeah
[12:16] <Choubaka> Let us not bash The US of A even though it's so much fun.
[12:16] <dcraven> :)
[12:16] <anto9us> ukato: you just did, but don't worry, you can ask as many as you like :)
[12:16] <ukato> heh
[12:16] <ukato> ok
[12:16] <ukato> well
[12:16] <ukato> i'm trying to set up samba
[12:17] <ukato> and, i used the package manager that came with ubuntu
[12:17] <ukato> to get it and everything it requires
[12:17] <ukato> so, what should i do now?
[12:17] <anto9us> ukato: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:18] <ukato> oh
[12:18] <ukato> if i don't have samba installed
[12:18] <ukato> i can't use windows printers?
[12:19] <anto9us> ukato: I think you just need smbclient or whatever the package is called to see windows shares and printers, you don't need the full blown samba kit
[12:24] <JohninMT> Hi I am using Kubuntu ....I am having a problem connecting with apt and firefox(secure sites. Konqueror works ok. I am going through a dsl router. W 9 with firefox works ok....the last thing i had added last night was dillo. I removed it today, but the same result
[12:24] <C-Murder> how i set my mysql password in ubuntu?? i just dont get it :)
[12:27] <ukato> bleh
[12:27] <ukato> i don't think samba is working right. there should be an option in the networking settings to connect to windows computers, right
[12:29] <anto9us> ukato: you specify a windows(smb) printer as a network printer in the add printer dialog
[12:30] <ukato> yeah, but if i'm trying to share files that are on this linux box
[12:30] <ukato> i need samba, right?
[12:30] <anto9us> ukato: yes
[12:30] <ukato> ok
[12:31] <ukato> i'll be right back
[12:32] <iceman> anyone able to help me update ubuntu
[12:32] <C-Murder> yeah
[12:32] <lotusleaf> Mmm.. burger http://www.spicyparis.com/images/photos/paris-1.jpg
[12:33] <lotusleaf> they should hire paris hilton to do a commercial for ubuntu
[12:33] <nickrud> iceman, it should be pretty straightforward, I looked at that wiki, it's pretty good.
[12:33] <iceman> got a quick link ?
[12:34] <hajiki> ubuntu doesnt use fam huh?
[12:34] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes iceman (still had it in my browser :)
[12:34] <hajiki> i need to restart gnome for new applications to show up in the menu?
[12:34] <nickrud> hajiki, it uses gam_server, and yes, sometimes
[12:34] <iceman> got to update from WartyWarthog to hoary ..
[12:34] <dooglus> hajiki: you shouldn't
[12:35] <hajiki> thanks both
[12:35] <nickrud> hajiki, dooglus was right, pkill gnome-panel will restart the panel and read anything wrong
[12:35] <Taliesin`> (hajiki): if your runningty Hoary, read this. http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#refreshgnomepanel
[12:35] <andersbr> Help?  "Package php4 is not available, but is referred to by another  package."
[12:35] <hajiki> i installed dia from universe and coudlnt find it in the panel. i'll try the trick mentioned above...
[12:37] <dooglus> there seem to be two different kinds of nautilus windows:
[12:37] <iceman> do you chang all the distro enteries to hoary ?
[12:37] <dooglus> 1) when you go through applications->sys tools->file browser (this has 2 panes, side by side)
[12:38] <dooglus> 2) when you go through places->home (this has 1 pane).  can I get the left pane to appear in type 2)?
[12:38] <nickrud> iceman, yes, http://pastebin.com/290397 will set you up nicely
[12:38] <iceman> humm ... thanks
[12:39] <iceman> enter those fram a terminal ... i a guessing ...
[12:39] <nickrud> dooglus, yeah, there's a gconf key you can set for changing that
[12:39] <dooglus> nickrud: ummm, could you speak more slowly please?  I'm new to the gnome
[12:39] <nickrud> iceman, copy that to a file, and copy the file to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <nickrud> dooglus, there's two types of browing in gnome 'spacial', which is the default, and the one you want
[12:40] <nickrud> a sec, I'll get you the key
[12:41] <dooglus> nickrud: I didn't even find the door yet, let alone the lock, so I don't know where I'm going to insert the key...
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> whats the easiest ftp client to use in ubuntu?
[12:42] <parabolize> gftp
[12:43] <nickrud> dooglus, start gconf-editor, then navigate to /apps/nautilus/preferences, and check always use browser
[12:43] <nickrud> dooglus, that is a very fun program :)
[12:43] <BleSS> do you have this file: :: ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab :: ?
[12:44] <jasper_> iceman, open a texteditor and copy paste the text from the url nickrud gave you in it.
[12:44] <dooglus> nickrud: that is exactly what I wanted.  thanks!
[12:44] <dooglus> it looks a little like the windows registry editor, dontcha think?
[12:45] <nickrud> dooglus, yeah, but it's stored as a text file, not binary, and (so read) is better
[12:45] <nickrud> *so I read
[12:46] <jasper_> then copy that to /etc/apt/source.list (you probably have to do that from a terminal)
[12:46] <nickrud> dooglus, it's also user specific, so if you mess up, you can't kill the computer
[12:46] <andersbr> How does one figure out if a distro upgrade was successful?  I tried it a while back,  and it seemed like only a few packages got upgraded.
[12:46] <jasper_> after that type 'apt-get update'
[12:47] <jasper_> and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[12:47] <andersbr> And now it's like none of the packages want to install.
[12:47] <jasper_> this last step might take a while
[12:48] <iceman> shoot how to cut and past ?
[12:48] <nickrud> a looong while :)
[12:49] <we2by> how do I play a .m3u stream?
[12:49] <dooglus> we2by: for example, what stream?
[12:49] <nickrud> iceman, highlight the text in the box, and in your editor, press the middle button on your mouse
[12:49] <we2by> I dunno
[12:49] <novaflare> restarting
[12:49] <jasper_> select the lines starting with 'deb' in the webpage, then press ctrl-c
[12:49] <we2by> it's an url end with .m3u
[12:49] <we2by> mp3?
[12:49] <anto9us> we2by: try xmms :)
[12:49] <dooglus> we2by: do you have an example for me to try?
[12:50] <we2by> dooglus, http://www.mas99.com/player/mas99.m3u
[12:50] <jasper_> then open up a text editor (Applications->Accesories->Text Editor) and press ctrl-v
[12:51] <nickrud> iceman, I'm listening to jasper_
[12:52] <iceman> got that to work .. its seems to be updateing ..
[12:52] <dooglus> we2by: are you sure that stream plays at all?
[12:52] <we2by> yep
[12:53] <dooglus> we2by: oh yes, so it does.
[12:53] <we2by> I was listening at it at a friend a few minutes ago on windows
[12:53] <we2by> using winamp
[12:53] <dooglus> we2by: I typed this:    totem http://www.mas99.com/player/mas99.m3u    and it played
[12:53] <dooglus> I couldn't get it to play in xmms or mplayer
[12:54] <we2by> I can not start totem
[12:54] <we2by> error: resource unavailable
[12:55] <iceman> now to complete the install what do i do
[12:55] <dooglus> we2by, could it be that something else has grabbed the soundcard?
[12:56] <nickrud> iceman, scroll back, jasper_ gave you everything you need
[12:56] <we2by> can't I tell it to use esd?
[12:57] <iceman> got a lot ...
[12:57] <dooglus> we2by: I don't really understand any of that stuff
[12:57] <iceman> now .. what to do to get kde ?
[12:57] <nickrud> iceman, what did you do last?
[12:57] <yoko__> hey guys question
[12:57] <we2by> brb
[12:57] <nickrud> we2by, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[12:57] <dooglus> xine http://www.mas99.com/player/mas99.m3u    <--- works for me too, we2by
[12:57] <yoko__> I have a laptop with s-video cable output
[12:58] <iceman> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade last command i did
[12:58] <nickrud> iceman, that was fast, what kind of machine do you have :)
[12:58] <yoko__> how do I do get ubuntu to output through the svideo out
[12:58] <iceman> p4 2.8 ghz.
[12:58] <yoko__> I want to watch a movie
[12:58] <Riddell> iceman: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:58] <jasper_> :-)
[12:59] <yoko__> anyone know how to do it?
[12:59] <we2by> wtf
[12:59] <we2by> I still got the error
[12:59] <andersbr> yoko:  wish I could help you.
[01:00] <Kazuya> hi
[01:00] <nickrud> we2by, if that didn't work, I'm with dooglus
[01:00] <Kazuya> somebody can help me?
[01:00] <jasper_> iceman, have you copied your file to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:00] <we2by> totem does not wanna start
[01:00] <we2by> :(
[01:00] <iceman> na ... kubuntu.org/faq.php ... kubuntu video driver sucks on my system
[01:00] <Kazuya> i've problems to enable tv-out work with ati radeon 9200
[01:01] <iceman> need to update to kde from current install
[01:01] <amonkey> i have twinview working, but windows don't show up in the right panels (all on screen 1) like they used too. is that a setting somewhere?
[01:01] <dooglus> we2by: what does "fuser /dev/snd/*" show you?
[01:01] <we2by> nothing
[01:02] <dooglus> that's a list of the processes which are using your soundcard...
[01:02] <we2by> maybe /dev/dsp?
[01:02] <jasper_> so, you still need to upgrade to hoary, or maybe install kubuntu?
[01:02] <dooglus> try playing a song and trying the command again while it plays - see anything then?
[01:02] <iceman> got to update links install .. rant the updates ..
[01:02] <we2by> nothing
[01:02] <dooglus> we2by: maybe.  like I say, I don't really understand all these different sound system thingies
[01:02] <we2by> I think xmms is using esd
[01:02] <iceman> no how to download kde for ubuntu ...
[01:03] <we2by> and esd use /dev/dsp
[01:03] <yoko__> anyone know how to output video through svideo?
[01:03] <Kazuya> somebody can help me with tv-out?
[01:04] <Kazuya> in console it works
[01:04] <dooglus> we2by: I used this to set my sound up - maybe it'll help you...  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[01:04] <Kazuya> but under X i see onli flashing lines
[01:05] <iceman>  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop does not work ?
[01:05] <parabolize> iceman just dl kubuntu http://kubuntu.org/
[01:05] <nickrud> iceman, that means, that your sources.list did not get changed.
[01:05] <joel> I just installed hoary and I lost my screen resolutions I had before with warty. I know the monitor can do 1024x768. But I only have one setting to choose which is 640x480
[01:06] <nickrud> iceman, when you did dist-upgrade, a __lot__ should have happend
[01:06] <joel> which file do I edit to bring back the others
[01:06] <nickrud> iceman, a big download, and a lot of disk activity
[01:06] <Kazuya> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:07] <iceman> it did ..
[01:07] <joel> that's the one I looked at, but where do I edit it?
[01:07] <iceman> i can paste in flood
[01:07] <nickrud> iceman, paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:07] <parabolize> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:07] <Kazuya> the section screen i think
[01:08] <iceman> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:08] <iceman> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[01:08] <iceman> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:08] <Kazuya> somebody know how enablke tv out in xorg.conf?
[01:08] <iceman> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:08] <iceman> ## repository.
[01:08] <iceman> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:08] <iceman> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[01:08] <abarbaccia> iceman, PLEASE DO NOT FLOOD!
[01:08] <iceman> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[01:08] <iceman> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:08] <iceman> ## team.
[01:08] <iceman> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:08] <restrex> !!!
[01:08] <iceman> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:08] <abarbaccia> nickrud, please do not encourage flooding - use www.pastebin.com
[01:08] <iceman> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:08] <Kazuya> -.-
[01:08] <iceman> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:08] <restrex> it's too late abarbaccia :)
[01:08] <iceman> sorry ..
[01:08] <nickrud> yeah, I thought he meant #flood :)
[01:08] <dooglus> iceman: do you have any ASCII art you could paste as well?
[01:08] <abarbaccia> lol - i tried - he's too strong
[01:08] <nickrud> I do pastebin, normally
[01:09] <abarbaccia> surprized he didnt get kicked - MODS WHERE ARE YOU
[01:09] <iceman> i just refuse to buy windows xp ...
[01:09] <nickrud> iceman, that is bad, both what you did and your sources.list
[01:09] <Kazuya> somebody know how to enable tv out in xorg.conf?
[01:09] <we2by> mhh
[01:09] <restrex> it's dangerous leave a channel alone with 471 guys =)
[01:09] <we2by> xine can plays it too :)
[01:09] <abarbaccia> he has hoary and warty
[01:09] <abarbaccia> lol
[01:09] <iceman> ;( does not sound good ...
[01:09] <parabolize> 0 ops, 471 total... :)
[01:09] <restrex> jajja
[01:09] <restrex> xD
[01:10] <TheDeathArt> hey, can i change the background and font color of the Root Terminal ?
[01:10] <nickrud> iceman, open that file with sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <Kazuya> hey
[01:10] <abarbaccia> Kazuya, that depends on your video card - google it - i know how to do it for SiS graphics cards and thats all
[01:10] <kroc> ji
[01:10] <Kazuya> abarbaccia, googled
[01:10] <Kazuya> but no solution
[01:10] <reon> HI,
[01:10] <Kazuya> for ati
[01:10] <reon> oops
[01:10] <abarbaccia> Kazuya, for ati i know it can be done
[01:11] <abarbaccia> i gotta run tho - maybe i cna help you out later
[01:11] <Kazuya> i can do it only under console
[01:11] <Kazuya> ok
[01:11] <we2by> any one knows a app or website where I can trace an ip with it's locations indicated?
[01:11] <reon> Can anyone recoomend a good terminal emulation application ??? Need to interface to Cisco router console port.
[01:11] <iceman> opened with sudo nano
[01:11] <joel> Integrated Graphics Device"
[01:11] <joel>         Monitor         "COMPAQ 5500"
[01:11] <joel>         DefaultDepth    24
[01:11] <joel>         SubSection "Display"
[01:12] <joel> is this where to edit
[01:12] <parabolize> below that you should see res
[01:13] <parabolize> look for 24 and edit
[01:13] <parabolize> put the res you want first
[01:13] <parabolize> *going left to right
[01:14] <amonkey> we2by, visualtrace used to be good, no you have to sign up for it (free i think) but still good
[01:14] <andersbr> Quick question:  I did the dist-upgrade thing a while back,  and it seemed like only a few packages were upgraded.  For example,  Hoary claims to have firefox1.02, but I'm still back on 0.9.3.  Further,  most software won't install anymore,  claiming that the packages don't exist,  but other packages refer to them.  Do I need to have the 5.04 install CD listed in sources.list?
[01:14] <amonkey> *now
[01:14] <joel> okay I see it. 1024x768 is first then 800x600 then 640x480
[01:14] <we2by> cool
[01:15] <we2by> it's a triel version
[01:15] <terje> greetings, does anyone what packages are needed to view windows media files using mplayer, or xine ?
[01:15] <joel> but when I try to change it under the system preferences I don't have any selections but 640x480
[01:15] <UbuntuNooB> hi.. i put a symbol in the folder name when i was in windows (in the front) and now the folder isn't showing in the listing, how can i make it appear again ?
[01:15] <parabolize> joel- got me
[01:15] <joel> hmm me 2
[01:16] <jasper_> iceman, put a comment sign (#)in front of every line of the file, then add the lines from the website url.
[01:16] <dcraven> joel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:16] <Amaranth> andersbr: Your sources.list probably got corrupted
[01:17] <Amaranth> andersbr: dump the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in http://rafb.net/paste/
[01:17] <nickrud> jasper_, I have him a private channel
[01:17] <UbuntuNooB> terje: i installed every package that i don't have from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/mplayer-386 before installing mplayer
[01:17] <jasper_> ah ok good :-)
[01:18] <joel> I'll follow through with what's on the wiki. APPRECIATE the help. Thanks !!! ;-)
[01:19] <joel> Bye
[01:19] <Yankee> Does anybody know what to do if I try to enable the 3d support of my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and the only thing I get after a reboot is a dark display with the message "Out of range"?
[01:19] <terje> well, I'm not actually using mplayer
[01:19] <terje> I'm using vlc
[01:19] <terje> but I figured the win32 codecs are the same.
[01:20] <UbuntuNooB> oo..ok
[01:21] <UbuntuNooB> my question.. i put a symbol in the folder name when i was in windows (in the front) and now the folder isn't showing in the listing, how can i make it appear again ?
[01:21] <we2by> amonkey, that java applet is working here
[01:21] <we2by> do you have an app that do the job?
[01:22] <jasper_> terje: try this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[01:22] <terje> cool, thanks jasper
[01:22] <novaflare> one driver glitch down (can see my log in prompt now) now just need to get dual monitor extended desk top working
[01:23] <LordGrunt> hi there
[01:23] <novaflare> any one here running a set up similar to this
[01:23] <LordGrunt> i have big problem with booting my linux
[01:23] <andersbr> Amaranth:  Found the problem.  The main repositories were commented out.  I am t3h dumb.  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[01:23] <LordGrunt> it stops just after lilo loaded image
[01:23] <LordGrunt> with no msgs
[01:23] <novaflare> ati 9k pro to 9800 etc) with 2 crt monisotrs with dual monitors working with extended desktop?
[01:23] <amonkey> whats the package that lets you edit the app menu?
[01:23] <LordGrunt> just clears screen when dots finish to appear
[01:24] <novaflare> monitors even
[01:24] <LordGrunt> any ideas what can cause it?
[01:26] <amonkey> i installed the codecs as per ubuntuguide, but still can't watch wmvs in totem. how can i fix it?
[01:26] <we2by> how do I search in my installed packages?
[01:27] <zenrox> amonkey, dont use totem use xine-ui
[01:27] <tritium> we2by, what do you want to search for?  package names?  files in packages?
[01:28] <we2by> package name
[01:28] <tritium> dpkg -l will list all the installed packages.  You can pipe into grep...
[01:29] <UbuntuNooB> my question.. i put a symbol in the folder name when i was in windows (in the front) and now the folder isn't showing in the listing, how can i make it appear again ?
[01:31] <joel> That fixed my resolution problem. Thanks ever so much.
[01:34] <kroc> on ubuntu, can i use xfce?
[01:34] <parabolize> yes
[01:34] <_kevin> what's this big buzz about xfce
[01:34] <_kevin> is it better then gnome and kde?
[01:34] <romm3r> kroc: yea
[01:34] <parabolize> faster in parts
[01:34] <_kevin> also is it less memory usage and system resources
[01:35] <romm3r> kroc: if you have X-window-system install just 'sudo apt-get install xfce4'
[01:35] <romm3r> install=installed
[01:35] <parabolize> add to gde menu
[01:35] <parabolize> or does it do it for you?
[01:36] <_kevin> can i try XFCE also without loosing my XMMS and current sound card settings and also my firefox 1.0.4 and m openoffice 2?
[01:36] <kroc> i dont have ubuntu yet... im waiting for it to arrive
[01:36] <kroc> will it send the latest?
[01:36] <kroc> hoary?
[01:36] <_kevin> ye
[01:36] <_kevin> i got that in the mail
[01:36] <romm3r> as did i
[01:37] <kroc> where do they mail it from?
[01:37] <romm3r> switzerland i think
[01:37] <parabolize> mostly. you will want to look for security updates
[01:37] <shido6> ok
[01:37] <shido6> I got xine to play in either usb or my speakers - sweet
[01:37] <_kevin> the good folks at ubuntu are doing a mighty well job, I dont know of another distro that mails their os for free
[01:38] <dooglus> I just noticed the laptop was spinning its fan faster and faster.  I checked 'top' and a 'gnome-terminal' was using 100% CPU!  That's naughty of it - why would it do that?  I think it was just running an 'ssh' onto the machine I use for IRCing
[01:38] <shido6> now how do I get it to play on my tv with my radeon - I SEE my desktop on the tv, no problem but I see a black box where my video should be
[01:39] <Rymastah> hey
[01:39] <Rymastah> Got a quick question.
[01:39] <Rymastah> I have Fluxbox
[01:39] <kroc> dooglus: doesnt gnome just use ALL CPU, all the time?
[01:39] <Rymastah> and I'm trying to install a style to /usr/share/fluxbox/styles
[01:39] <Rymastah> yet I need permissions, and it wont let me log in as root on GDM.
[01:39] <Rymastah> what should I do to put extract the tar.gz
[01:40] <dooglus> kroc: mostly the box is mostly idling, surprisingly
[01:40] <j-rock_> Rymastah: 'sudo -s' as a normal user, and enter your password
[01:40] <dooglus> Rymastah: "tar xfz file.tar.gz"
[01:40] <j-rock_> Rymastah: that gets you a root shell
[01:41] <kroc> hm.. in ubuntu to get something like gaim, you just have to write 'apt-get gaim' ?
[01:41] <nickrud> Rymastah, don't log into gnome as root, it is so incredibly dangerous....
[01:41] <j-rock_> kroc: correct
[01:41] <kroc> sweet
[01:41] <Amaranth> kroc: sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:41] <j-rock_> kroc: sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:41] <parabolize> sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:41] <Amaranth> kroc: or just use synaptic
[01:41] <parabolize> ya
[01:41] <j-rock_> damn
[01:41] <j-rock_> that was a hella syntax pounce
[01:41] <amonkey> what is the difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer?
[01:42] <kroc> um.. why sudo?
[01:42] <j-rock_> none, both are crap
[01:42] <j-rock_> mplayer
[01:42] <Amaranth> amonkey: one uses gstreamer to play files, the other uses xine
[01:42] <Razor-X> and just to feel cool "sudo apt-get install gaim" ;)
[01:42] <Amaranth> j-rock_: mplayer is crap, use vlc
[01:42] <parabolize> gxine!
[01:42] <j-rock_> Amaranth: haha
[01:42] <Rymastah> ok
[01:42] <j-rock_> Amaranth: i'll go goole it now
[01:42] <Rymastah> thanks
[01:42] <kroc> gmmx
[01:42] <Razor-X> yeah, vlc all the way
[01:42] <j-rock_> *google
[01:42] <Rymastah> I'm trying what y'all said now.
[01:42] <Amaranth> j-rock_: sudo apt-get install vlc
[01:42] <Razor-X> you can't even _compare_ vlc to anything else
[01:42] <Razor-X> it's sacrilege ;)
[01:42] <kroc> does ubuntu get all dependencies for you, or you have to get those as well?
[01:43] <Amaranth> you probably have vlc hackers to thank for most of the video files on your machine working at all ;)
[01:43] <romm3r> whats ubuntu like as a server?
[01:43] <Razor-X> kroc: apt does it all for you
[01:43] <Amaranth> kroc: it gets them all for you
[01:43] <amonkey> which package should i get for vlc?
[01:43] <kroc> THEN I CANT WAIT
[01:43] <Razor-X> romm3r: anything else like a server, I guess ;0
[01:43] <Amaranth> romm3r: like a debian netinstall, but more up-to-date
[01:43] <Razor-X> kroc: heh
[01:43] <Razor-X> *:)
[01:43] <romm3r> Amaranth: ok
[01:44] <Amaranth> romm3r: I mean the 'server' boot option in the installer just installs a minimal system and you add things from there
[01:44] <romm3r> Amaranth: yea
[01:44] <j-rock_> Amaranth: at work right now, irssi through ssh, no multimedia for a few more hours
[01:44] <Amaranth> j-rock_: ever heard of DVDJon?
[01:44] <Razor-X> j-rock_: I do that at school, only it's BitchX
[01:44] <Razor-X> hell, i'm doing it now too
[01:45] <Razor-X> I never leave my SSH shell
[01:45] <j-rock_> ohhh it runs on beos
[01:45] <Razor-X> more convenient for my parents to ignore
[01:45] <j-rock_> Amaranth: nope
[01:45] <kroc_working> the thing i hate most of RH9 are the dependencies of various programs
[01:45] <j-rock_> Razor-X: use screen?
[01:45] <Razor-X> mmmhmm ;), but that's not the easy part
[01:45] <Amaranth> j-rock_: DVDJon is the guy behind DeCSS, you have to have at least heard of that. Anyway, he's a vlc hacker.
[01:45] <sebdc> wropng opening in kvirc
[01:45] <Razor-X> it's much easier for my dad not to find chat logs, or anything like that, if everything's SSH'd
[01:46] <j-rock_> Amaranth: ohhh, yeah i know who you are talking about, never heard him called DVDjon
[01:46] <j-rock_> Amaranth: damn, if he's in on the project i'll have to check it out
[01:46] <dooglus> I never tried vlc before, so just installed it.  How do you skip back and forward through a movie with the keyboard (like left, right, up and down in mplayer)?
[01:46] <Amaranth> j-rock_: he's also the one that cracked apple's DRM
[01:46] <Razor-X> I'm a gonna set the section of the wikibook to print, and then boot to Linux
[01:46] <j-rock_> Amaranth: yup :)
[01:47] <Amaranth> j-rock_: and the guy that helped me write pymusique :D
[01:47] <j-rock_> :)
[01:47] <nickrud> hah, gotta check out vlc, then :)
[01:47] <Rymastah> I still dont have the right permissions...
[01:47] <Rymastah> huh
[01:47] <Razor-X> j-rock_:pg-up and pg-down seeks
[01:47] <Amaranth> j-rock_: anyway, i'm probably biased, since i know a vlc hacker ;)
[01:47] <Razor-X> i'm not biased ;)
[01:47] <Razor-X> I just loved the damned thing
[01:48] <j-rock_> Amaranth: it looks nice
[01:48] <j-rock_> Amaranth: i'll just have to try it out
[01:48] <Amaranth> too bad it's gone in breezy right now
[01:48] <Rymastah> wait
[01:48] <Amaranth> i've been stuck with mplayer *shudder*
[01:48] <Rymastah> I got it
[01:48] <Rymastah> wait
[01:48] <Razor-X> it looks horrid on a KDE system, but, I don't really care about looks that much comparitive to functionality
[01:48] <Rymastah> no I dont.
[01:48] <Razor-X> Amaranth: ewwww >_<
[01:48] <Rymastah> I stil ldont have the permissions to extract it there.
[01:48] <Razor-X> even on my Windows box, I use VLC
[01:49] <nickrud> we waits
[01:49] <iceman> time to reboot ...
[01:49] <iceman> wish me luck
[01:49] <nickrud> iceman, good
[01:49] <nickrud> luch
[01:49] <Rymastah> so what do I do about it?
[01:49] <Amaranth> hehe, i've gotten to the point where after the initial load it only takes about a second to do something
[01:49] <borkdox> Hello
[01:49] <Amaranth> instead of taking 10 seconds
[01:49] <dooglus> what command do you use to run 'vlc'?  just 'vlc', or is there a gui version with keyboard seeking?
[01:49] <Razor-X> but, I guess once I start the limit crunching, it's fun
[01:49] <borkdox> My xorg is segfaulting when I use the glx extention in the nvidia modules
[01:49] <Amaranth> dooglus: it's a gui, but vlc starts it
[01:49] <Razor-X> and that's coming from a 15 year-old ;)
[01:50] <borkdox> in other words it does not loads if I have glx extention enabled
[01:50] <dooglus> Amaranth: I don't seem to be able to seek through the movie with the keyboard, and I can't use the gui if it's 'full screen'ed
[01:50] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Damn, I wasn't in a pre-calc class until I was a junior, it sucked.
[01:50] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I love math, so sue me ;)
[01:50] <Amaranth> dooglus: pg-up/pg-down
[01:50] <Razor-X> when I get into the number crunching, it gets really fun
[01:50] <dooglus> Amaranth: doesn't do anything for me
[01:50] <Razor-X> even though i've been known to let out my worst curse-words then
[01:51] <Rymastah> so how do I get permissions to extract it?
[01:51] <Rymastah> Damn.
[01:51] <Razor-X> Rymastah: "sudo chmod -R 771 /path/to/extraction
[01:51] <Razor-X> "
[01:51] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: So what's the derivative product rule?
[01:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: naughty, use sudo
[01:51] <j-rock_> i dont have tyme for sudo
[01:52] <j-rock_> fsck
[01:52] <j-rock_> time
[01:52] <j-rock_> sudo -s
[01:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I quit the class because we had to do so many proofs.   I disabled cups (because the system would hang shutting that down)  and that (so far) has fixed the problem.    It crashes before starting with a signal 11 error (Segfault...).
[02:06] <Razor-X> and his master makes him go into this land of no light (BASH prompt) and learn his senses again
[02:06] <borkdox> tritium, yes
[02:06] <Razor-X> and he starts fighting enemies to get their powers
[02:06] <cliebow_> i have like 400 ibooks to service..i despise them
[02:06] <borkdox> tritium, amd64
[02:06] <Razor-X> (aka BASH commands, such as grep)
[02:06] <Amaranth> synd: your wireless chipset isn't supported
[02:06] <Razor-X> and, the final boss is chmod ;)
[02:06] <eonia> anyone up for answering a clueless question?
[02:06] <synd> Amaranth: i know.. its why i havent really bothered with it
[02:06] <j-rock_> Razor-X: so what happens when he defeats the vicious kill -9
[02:06] <Amaranth> synd: since it's a broadcom and the only way that's supported at all is with ndiswrapper, which is x86 only.
[02:06] <tritium> borkdox, do you have "nvidia" in /etc/modules ?
[02:07] <Razor-X> j-rock_: he gets his powers ;)
[02:07] <synd> Amaranth: all my computers in my house are wireless, even the desktop towers
[02:07] <j-rock_> Razor-X: what about a dual end boss, chown + chmod
[02:07] <Razor-X> j-rock_: !!! that's harsh!
[02:07] <j-rock_> not as harsh as rm -rf
[02:07] <Razor-X> no no, he learns man first
[02:07] <Razor-X> and man becomes his friend
[02:07] <synd> Amaranth: do you suppose that the ibook wireless chipset will be supported in the future?
[02:08] <Amaranth> synd: It's sad because if wireless was supported my next laptop would be a powerbook, no doubt. But since it isn't I'll probably be getting a Pentium-M system.
[02:08] <Razor-X> and, so, after he kills an enemy (they're using no secondary options, except chmod, and a few others) he asks man about them
[02:08] <Amaranth> synd: afaik no one has even started trying to reverse engineer the broadcom chipset.
[02:08] <Razor-X> but, the final boss makes him understand a fault in his friend man
[02:08] <eonia> I'm using the live ubuntu CD, and trying to mount my windows hard drive partition. Unfortunately, /etc/fstab doesn't even exist. I'm not sure what to tell the mount command? Sorry if this is painfully obvious :)
[02:08] <synd> Amaranth: you can use the pcmcia slot on the powerbook
[02:08] <Razor-X> "Bad Documentation"
[02:08] <borkdox> tritium, is in lsmod, hotplug autmatically loads it so it is not needed in /etc/modules...
[02:08] <eonia> I'm going to assume somewhere there is an hda...
[02:09] <synd> Amaranth: the powerbook is leaps and bounds in ahead of a pentium-m
[02:09] <Amaranth> synd: If I'm paying $1500 for a computer I don't want to spend more on a pcmcia card. ;)
[02:09] <synd> imho
[02:09] <tritium> borkdox, okay.  And your /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifies the correct driver (i.e. nvidia, not nv)?
[02:09] <borkdox> tritium, I just checkd and it is in /etc/modules also
[02:09] <Amaranth> synd: I know it is, I love apple hardware.
[02:09] <borkdox> tritium, yep
[02:09] <synd> Amaranth: well! its worth the extra 35 for a pcmcia card then :)
[02:09] <tritium> borkdox, what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you?
[02:09] <Razor-X> I can't really stand apple software
[02:09] <Razor-X> but, the PPC is uber awesomes
[02:09] <j-rock_> apple software is weak
[02:09] <_kevin> are the actual people that make ubuntu in here?
[02:09] <Amaranth> OS X would be awesome if I hadn't found ubuntu
[02:09] <j-rock_> but yes, ppc is awesome
[02:10] <borkdox> tritium, Signal 11 after it loads or tries to load the Nvidia Glx module
[02:10] <synd> Amaranth: i know exactly what you mean
[02:10] <Amaranth> _kevin: some of them yes. They have their own channel for talking about development.
[02:10] <Razor-X> OS X is BSD with a bit more on it
[02:10] <j-rock_> bsd userland, mach kernel iirc
[02:10] <kroc_eating_icec> exactlu
[02:10] <synd> Amaranth: j-rock_ apple sofrtware is second to none
[02:10] <_kevin> i just wanted to suggest adding Wine to the next version
[02:10] <Razor-X> eonia: create a /etc/fstab, googling for advice
[02:10] <borkdox> tritium, I commented the Load "glx" line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it loads well, so I guess it is a problem especifically with nvidia-glx
[02:10] <j-rock_> i grew up with bsd
[02:10] <_kevin> casue installin it right now is a headace
[02:10] <synd> oops i didnt mean to put Amaranth
[02:10] <Amaranth> Razor-X: But I write Smeg and PyMusique so I need a linux machine. ;)
[02:10] <Razor-X> me no like BSD
[02:10] <j-rock_> and i really dislike os x
[02:10] <j-rock_> i LOVE bsd
[02:10] <tritium> borkdox, specific to amd64, perhaps
[02:10] <Razor-X> Amaranth: heh
[02:10] <kroc_eating_icec> i grew up with DOS
[02:11] <Razor-X> me no like BSD
[02:11] <Amaranth> iTunes, iMovie, GarageBand, iPhoto, etc are the best
[02:11] <Razor-X> I grew up with Windows 95
[02:11] <tritium> _kevin, wine is available
[02:11] <j-rock_> Amaranth: to each their own
[02:11] <Razor-X> (yes yes, i'm young, so sue me)
[02:11] <romm3r> you'll be lying if you say you don't like the gui though ;)
[02:11] <synd> j-rock_: i grew up on WinOS and I love OS X : p
[02:11] <Amaranth> i guess f-spot is about as good as iPhoto
[02:11] <Razor-X> I don't
[02:11] <j-rock_> synd: once again, to each their own
[02:11] <Razor-X> I like GUI somewhat, but I sitll like CLI more
[02:11] <eonia> Razor-X, ty, I'll give it a shot
[02:11] <_kevin> i think it might be a good idea to add a tutioal for it on ubuntuguide
[02:11] <Razor-X> eonia: stay here if you have any trouble with it
[02:11] <j-rock_> we bought two mac minis at work, we booted up os X
[02:11] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I started with an Apple ] [. :)
[02:11] <kroc_eating_icec> hm.. since itunes.imusic,ipod are all mac... is ifriends mac too?
[02:12] <Razor-X> Amaranth: not that old ;)
[02:12] <_kevin> the one ubuntufourms is kind of messed
[02:12] <Amaranth> I'm not that old though, it was just cheap.
[02:12] <synd> i have 3 mac minis, 1 iMac g5s and an iBook g4
[02:12] <_kevin> since alot of people said it didn't for for them
[02:12] <j-rock_> didn't even make it through the registration process and we got irritated with having to register shit
[02:12] <Razor-X> in the last 12 years, we've bought two machines
[02:12] <j-rock_> rebooted, and installed gentoo
[02:12] <Razor-X> the original one I grew up on, a P100
[02:12] <Razor-X> and a newer P4 1.6 with 256 RAM
[02:12] <Strife> so, Pentium M's... they fall simply under 686, right?
[02:12] <Razor-X> and that's _all_
[02:12] <Razor-X> my mom is against buying computers
[02:13] <kroc_eating_icec> amish?
[02:13] <Razor-X> and thus, we don'
[02:13] <j-rock_> Razor-X: get a job?
[02:13] <Razor-X> *don't
[02:13] <Razor-X> kroc_eating_icec: no, she just thinks there's no use to put money there
[02:13] <j-rock_> or just score old parts, and build your own Razor-X
[02:13] <Amaranth> ah, those were the days
[02:13] <Razor-X> j-rock_: parents wouldn't let me buy it, regardless
[02:13] <j-rock_> Amaranth: nice
[02:13] <Razor-X> nor would they let me build it
[02:13] <Amaranth> 4MB was a lot then, I guess. I was only 12 so I just used it.
[02:14] <synd> Amaranth: i remember when i first heard the term GB for storage capacity
[02:14] <Razor-X> my 486 behind me has 8MB
[02:14] <synd> i was like WHO NEEDS THAT MUCH?!
[02:14] <Razor-X> Amaranth: .................
[02:14] <Amaranth> hehe, my first GB HD was 1998
[02:14] <penguinparty> having alsa troubles here donloaded alsa 1.0.9rc4a and installed it but I think the old kernel modules are still getting loaded
[02:14] <Amaranth> i needed it because Win98 was a pig
[02:14] <Razor-X> I remember when I was 12, that was just 2 years and a month ago >_<
[02:14] <synd> oh yeah
[02:14] <robertj> I'm a storage hog
[02:14] <synd> i have an old packard bell intel 66Mhz
[02:14] <kroc_eating_icec> lol Razor-X
[02:14] <robertj> one day this week I realized I had 1.75 TB hooked up to my desktop at work ;)
[02:14] <dooglus> what's the command that tells you how much of each swap device is in use?
[02:14] <synd> that was our first computer, back in 1994
[02:15] <Razor-X> robertj: holy mother....
[02:15] <synd> we used it until 2001, seriously
[02:15] <dooglus> I thought it was an option to 'swapon', but can't find it
[02:15] <Razor-X> that's it?!
[02:15] <geneo93> top
[02:15] <Razor-X> we used our 486 from 1995 to 2001
[02:15] <Razor-X> *2003
[02:15] <synd> thats absurd
[02:15] <Razor-X> and then, there was a registry problem, and my dad _finally_ decided to get a new machine
[02:15] <synd> i booted up win 3.1 the other day
[02:15] <synd> it was nostalgic
[02:16] <Razor-X> like I said, my parents don't like computers
[02:16] <kroc_eating_icec> kikikiki
[02:16] <geneo93> i have a C64
[02:16] <kroc_eating_icec> lololol
[02:16] <penguinparty> I have /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>/kernel/sound. . ./snd-au8820.ko   and /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>/updates/alsa/. . . ./snd-au8820.ko
[02:16] <Razor-X> C64 games PWN!!!!
[02:16] <robertj> I was cloning my hard drive onto my co-workers since we got new matching machines (250 a piece), but it wouldn't reach so I put 200 gig firewire drive in the middle to bridge the gap
[02:16] <j-rock_> dooglus: free -m ?
[02:16] <robertj> and then while I was doing that my 1 TB LaCie drive arrived
[02:16] <synd> robertj: what do you store?
[02:16] <dooglus> j-rock_: that's not the one I was thinking of, but thanks :)
[02:16] <Razor-X> robertj: holy.....
[02:16] <Amaranth> synd: I found a copy of Windows 1.0 on the internet and booted this crap IBM PS/2 that I was messing with a couple years ago. It was sad.
[02:17] <robertj> synd: faculty and staff desktop backops, home directories for 800 lab-users, system images, etc
[02:17] <Razor-X> I heard Windows 1.0 was so so crappy...
[02:17] <j-rock_> you heard right
[02:17] <Razor-X> my old machine is now using DSL
[02:17] <synd> Amaranth: i can imagine. i dont even remember win 1.0.. i was too young
[02:17] <Razor-X> (as in Damn Small Linux)
[02:17] <synd> robertj: i see
[02:17] <robertj> btw, if anyone here happens to have access to MS Bob, send me a /msg ;)
[02:17] <Razor-X> 1.0 was quite a bit before my birth ;)
[02:17] <Amaranth> oh $DEITY, ms bob
[02:17] <Amaranth> melinda gates was behind that monster
[02:17] <nickrud> Amaranth, I actually used visio in 1.04, it ran building automations systems :)
[02:18] <Amaranth> ms bob is who we have to thank for clippy and the dog in WinXP search
[02:18] <Razor-X> Amaranth: so if you're aetheist, $DEITY == null?
[02:18] <synd> Razor-X: DSL is nice, eh?
[02:18] <Razor-X> synd: good for an old machine, definitely
[02:18] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Sure.
[02:18] <Strife> anyone in here have an ATI x300 and gotten fglrx working?
[02:18] <penguinparty> how do you tell linux which ko to use when you have more then one
[02:18] <Razor-X> only thing is, in a Californian summer, the heat it generates is too too much
[02:18] <kroc_eating_icec> i still have my DOS machine...works justfine
[02:18] <humbraro> dsl is good, but it has tinyx compiled without xdmcp support :(
[02:18] <Amaranth> penguinparty: ko?
[02:18] <r0d> at&t sam is better than ms bob.
[02:19] <penguinparty> kernel object
[02:19] <synd> penguinparty: lo?
[02:19] <Razor-X> Amaranth: he means kernel 2.6 module
[02:19] <Zodiac> Sup dawgs
[02:19] <Beastboy> Got a problem with hoary, need some help
[02:19] <synd> Beastboy: ask and you shall receive
[02:19] <Amaranth> Razor-X: ah, i knew that sounded familiar
[02:19] <Razor-X> humbraro: TinyX is all that works on that old clunker
[02:19] <Beastboy> I am trying to install mplayer in synaptic package mgr
[02:19] <Razor-X> it's video card is quite non-standard
[02:19] <penguinparty> I have two snd-au8820.ko files one from the kernel build and one from the new alsa
[02:19] <penguinparty> in different directories
[02:19] <Razor-X> here's a quote from the sticker on the box (which I still have)
[02:19] <Beastboy> and I get these messages when I click install
[02:20] <Beastboy> mplayer-386:
[02:20] <Beastboy>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>  Depends: libxvidcore4 but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:20] <Razor-X> "1 MB of Video Memory, upgradeable to 2!!!!"
 I broke down an Athlon 1.3Ghz, 512 DDR, 40GB because i deemed it useless.. (this was before i found ubuntu)
[02:20] <Amaranth> Beastboy: Do you have marillat repositories enabled?
[02:20] <Beastboy> ??
[02:20] <nickrud> Beastboy, get rid of marillat
[02:20] <synd> i wanted the RAM from that to be put in my main PC
[02:20] <humbraro> Razor-X: yep, but i got an old pII 266 with a bad hdd - so i use it as an X terminal with knoppix
[02:20] <Beastboy> don't know
[02:20] <Razor-X> humbraro: heh
[02:20] <amonkey> how do i remove a app menu entry that doesn't show in smeg?
[02:20] <Amaranth> Beastboy: Did you use the ubuntu guide?
[02:20] <Beastboy> how do i check
[02:21] <Amaranth> amonkey: what entry?
[02:21] <synd> Beastboy: ubuntuguide.org
[02:21] <humbraro> took me forever to figure out what was wrong with dsl - turns out it was on purpose
[02:21] <robertj> anyone here have an i915 based-card?
[02:21] <kroc> hm... whats ubuntu live cd?
[02:21] <Beastboy> na, had some LU's a school help me
[02:21] <synd> kroc: running Ubuntu from a CD
[02:21] <Amaranth> kroc: An Ubuntu install that runs off the CD, doesn't touch your HD at all.
[02:21] <synd> kroc: you dont have to install it on an HDD
[02:21] <amonkey> Amaranth, ut2004 made a "other" folder for itself, and transgaming decided that they were important enough to warrant their own menu as well
[02:21] <penguinparty> I cant get my sound to work . . . no /dev/dsp
[02:21] <Determinist> hey guys , my laptop got turned off cos the battery emptied while i was busy at work and not paying attention to it. now i've started it back up and firefox is giving me "the connection was refused when attempting to connect to localhost" , but as far as i can tell apache2 is up and running. help please?
[02:21] <Razor-X> my dream is to get LTSP to run KDE on that old machine
[02:21] <Amaranth> Beastboy: Go smack them, the broke your system.
[02:21] <Razor-X> and then, i'll take a physical screenshot!
[02:21] <Razor-X> my 486, running KDE
[02:21] <Amaranth> amonkey: "Other" is the menu for entries that don't have a menu
[02:22] <Razor-X> how f'ing awesome XD
[02:22] <nickrud> Beastboy, http://pastebin.com/290397 use that as your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:22] <synd> kde... blah :p
[02:22] <Amaranth> amonkey: It's for unsorted things. Hide the entry that's inside it or move the entry somewhere else.
[02:22] <nalioth> howdy
[02:22] <Strife> anyone gotten an ATI Mobility Radeon X300 working with fglrx?
[02:22] <amonkey> Amaranth, how do i move it?
[02:22] <synd> hi nalioth
[02:22] <Razor-X> synd: I like KDE and XFce, but, KDE only because it's waaay too beefy for the machine ;0
[02:22] <nickrud> Beastboy, apt-get update, apt-get install mplayer-<your architecture>
[02:22] <_kevin> anyone know a good way to stream music on ubuntu, something like shoutcast
[02:22] <Razor-X> *;)
[02:22] <Amaranth> amonkey: drag and drop onto the menu you want it to go into
[02:22] <synd> Razor-X: im an xfce nut
[02:22] <Razor-X> _kevin: use VLC
[02:22] <nalioth> synd how did the prozzing go?
[02:23] <Razor-X> I love XFce
[02:23] <_kevin> VLC
[02:23] <_kevin> i'll google it
[02:23] <Razor-X> _kevin: it's a media player with great streaming capabilities
[02:23] <kroc> Razor-X: same
[02:23] <Amaranth> _kevin: You want to stream the music? icecast would probably work
[02:23] <tritium> _kevin, I use gnump3d
[02:23] <synd> nalioth: went well
[02:23] <Razor-X> good, i like you ;)
[02:23] <Razor-X> you can actually use... google!
[02:23] <kroc> um.. me?
[02:23] <Razor-X> congratulations!
[02:23] <Razor-X> no, I mean _kevin
[02:23] <amonkey> Amaranth, doesn't work. makes a small yellow box. will copy it self to launcher and to desktop
[02:23] <synd> nalioth: i found out a good deal of stuff
[02:23] <kroc> o lol
[02:23] <_kevin> ye i wanna play muci and other ppl connect to my comp and listen
[02:23] <Razor-X> it seems about 99.5% of the rest of the channel can't
[02:23] <_kevin> kind like on shoutcast
[02:23] <Amaranth> amonkey: I meant drag it in smeg.
[02:23] <_kevin> also i prefer if it has fade in and fade out features
[02:23] <nalioth> synd: enlighten us
[02:24] <Amaranth> amonkey: Drag the entry that's in smeg to the menu in smeg that you want it to go into.
[02:24] <geekitus> hi all
[02:24] <eonia> Hey, I can use google :-)
[02:24] <Razor-X> _kevin: ohh, then maybe you want to check up on shoutcast for Linux
[02:24] <eonia> I just don't always do so :)
[02:24] <Razor-X> eonia: or that ;)
[02:24] <kroc> damn... i dont have a soundcard on this pc... sucks.
[02:24] <amonkey> Amaranth, it doesn't come up in smeg at all. there is no other folder
[02:24] <eonia> Usually I'm the one saying "Google is your friend" :-)
[02:24] <Amaranth> _kevin: try icecast
[02:24] <kroc> and my mp3player is out of CDs
[02:24] <Razor-X> another thing I really want to do is
[02:24] <Amaranth> amonkey: smeg 0.6.2?
[02:24] <Razor-X> run my MP3 player to as many amp-type devices in my house as possible
[02:25] <amonkey> .5, will get 0.6.2 and get back to you
[02:25] <Razor-X> and see how the signal comes out with bass going through a subwoofer
[02:25] <synd> ah! i love how you can change workspaces with the scroll wheel in xfce !
[02:25] <Cristobal> hi, is there a way to run microsoft office 2003 on ubuntu
[02:25] <Razor-X> synd: mmmhmmm!
[02:25] <synd> Cristobal: no
[02:25] <synd> Cristobal: yes and no
[02:25] <Razor-X> Cristobal: nope
[02:25] <kroc> with scroll weel? dang..
[02:26] <Cristobal> crossover wont run version 2003 i think they are working on that
[02:26] <tritium> Cristobal, with wine , perhaps.  particularly if you install winetools & wine versions form winehq.com
[02:26] <humbraro> thats a slick little frature
[02:26] <Razor-X> but, without shelling out money, you can run Open Office
[02:26] <Cristobal> openoffice is crap compared to ms office
[02:26] <kent> whats the prefered way of making the gnome panel to re-read the list of programs (*.desktop files)?
[02:26] <Razor-X> I heard you can run Office 2000 with Wine, though
[02:26] <_kevin> ok
[02:26] <Cristobal> yes u can
[02:26] <kroc> i dont have a scroll wheel...... ,_,
[02:26] <eonia> Razor-X: found it. Just a nitpick, but since it is a live/demonstration Ubuntu CD, you might want to suggest to the devs to make it a little easier to mount the HDD (a menu option or desktop icon perhaps, as opposed to command line style; I can use DOS etc, but I'm not that familiar with *ix command lines yet)
[02:26] <Razor-X> nalioth: MS Office? ;)
[02:26] <synd> Cristobal: OOo is free
[02:26] <synd> Cristobal: Office is not.
[02:26] <Cristobal> i know but it sucks
[02:26] <synd> MS*
[02:26] <_kevin> with icecast it's just a server and i play songs on XMMS and it streams it?
[02:26] <Cristobal> i never paid for my ms office 2003 so its ok
[02:26] <Cristobal> :P
[02:26] <synd> Cristobal: it gets the job done.
[02:26] <nalioth> Razor-X: please! this is a civilized channel (or supposed to be)
[02:26] <Razor-X> kroc: my trackball has one ;)
[02:27] <_kevin> also for ice cast i do sudo apt-get install icecast?
[02:27] <Razor-X> nalioth: XD
[02:27] <synd> personally, i think Pages and Keynote kick the shit out of office
[02:27] <eonia> Razor-X, : I'll second that, I've used Office (Office XP) with WINE, and Powerpoint works fine as well.
[02:27] <kroc> Cristobal: i paid 10$ for WinXP
[02:27] <Razor-X> eonia: mmm, never had much of a problem with it, meself
[02:27] <synd> kroc: you PAID for winxp?
[02:27] <eonia> Razor-X, you my friend, are familiar with the command line :-)
[02:27] <Razor-X> there you go, eonia is our testimonial
[02:27] <synd> they should pay you, to use it
[02:27] <Razor-X> kroc: I did'nt pay a thing ;)
[02:27] <nalioth> synd, so what did you discover?
[02:27] <Determinist> anyone? please?
[02:27] <kroc> ?!
[02:27] <Zodiac> What repostiory do I need to add to get the windows codecs?
[02:27] <kroc> ?!?!!?
[02:27] <Razor-X> eonia: well, I learned it when I was... 11... IIRC
[02:27] <Razor-X> so, it sohuldn't be that hard
[02:27] <Cristobal> krox i never paid for any of my software i have downloaded all windows versions , office stuff, photoshop etc
[02:27] <xvlun> Zodiac, marillat
[02:27] <Cristobal> im a total illegal guy
[02:27] <synd> nalioth: about having multiple threads and what not..
[02:27] <kroc> Razor-X: you got it for free?
[02:28] <Zodiac> Do you got a link?
[02:28] <Razor-X> I also started out with vi, something which is supposed to be incredible hard to learn for a n00b
[02:28] <tritium> Cristobal, we don't want to discuss that here please
[02:28] <Razor-X> kroc: of course ;)
[02:28] <xvlun> Zodiac, google has
[02:28] <eonia> Razor-X, you're forgetting that windows people have the mind of a 3 year old, not an 11 year old :)
[02:28] <kroc> Razor-X: well, BEAT MY 25cent COMPUTER!
[02:28] <Razor-X> eonia: ahhh, thanks for reminding me
[02:28] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:28] <Zodiac> damn
[02:28] <Zodiac> all right
[02:28] <Razor-X> kroc: exactly ;)
[02:28] <synd> nalioth: i went to work, booted up ubuntu, and DL'd mandriva dvd, and used the new DVD publisher we just got in :D
[02:28] <eonia> Razor-X, no problem ;-)
[02:28] <Razor-X> on this Windows box here
[02:28] <Cristobal> eonia dont say that cause most people will say that linux people have a geeky mind
[02:28] <kroc> Razor-X: how much did your cost?
[02:28] <synd> 2.6GB in like 1hr
[02:29] <Razor-X> the most used stuff on this box is all pirated
[02:29] <humbraro> thats a pretty fat pipe
[02:29] <amonkey> Amaranth, problem, smeg 0.6.2 depends pyhton-xdg >= .11, hoary reps only have .9
[02:29] <kroc> lol
[02:29] <nalioth> synd: my head is spinning. What did you just say?
[02:29] <eonia> Cristobal, just another way of saying the same thing, right? :)
[02:29] <Razor-X> the OS, the IM client I used to use, the browser, the email client, the office suite
[02:29] <Razor-X> only thing is the Media Player
[02:29] <Razor-X> that's VLC
[02:29] <Amaranth> amonkey: There is a link to a python-xdg on the forum entry. It says it's for breezy because I figured hoary users would use the installsmeg script.
[02:29] <synd> nalioth: i went to work, booted up ubuntu, and DL'd mandriva dvd, and used the new DVD publisher we just got in :D 2.6GB in like 1hr
[02:29] <Jormundgand> And people pirate Windows stuff when they could switch to Linux and just download it legally. Tragic.
[02:29] <Razor-X> but, I did use BSPlayer Pro, and Zoom Player Pro, before I saw the VLC light
[02:30] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You're on Windows right now?
[02:30] <kroc> VLC.... whats that?
[02:30] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: more for my dad, than anybody else
[02:30] <flavio> alguem fala portugues?
[02:30] <Cristobal> Jormundgand, yes but i cant get stuff done in linux
[02:30] <Razor-X> Amaranth: at the moment
[02:30] <Amaranth> kroc: the best media player out there
[02:30] <Cristobal> besides from basic stuff
[02:30] <Razor-X> Cristobal: I can
[02:30] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Please don't mention pirated software again.
[02:30] <Razor-X> how hard is it to learn Open-Office
[02:30] <kroc> Amaranth: i thought the best one was XMMS
[02:30] <Cristobal> like, if i wanted to do something like microsoft project does i couldnt in linux
[02:30] <eonia> Cristobal, anyway, my point was, that for windows people (since I assume the live CD is marketed partially towards them as a demonstration) there should be an easier way of mounting. Regardless of how you treat their competence. That's all.
[02:30] <synd> Razor-X: its very similar to ms office
[02:30] <kroc> actually winamp is pretty good
[02:30] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I didn't mention it specifically, so, I didn't think it would matter
[02:30] <tritium> pirated software is OFF-TOPIC, okay?
[02:30] <Amaranth> kroc: the best music player is muine, the best video player is vlc
[02:30] <Razor-X> no, I meant that as a question to Cristobal
[02:31] <kroc> oo
[02:31] <Razor-X> tritium: fine fine
[02:31] <synd> Amaranth: muine?
[02:31] <Razor-X> Cristobal: Microsoft Project?
[02:31] <Cristobal> yes
[02:31] <kroc> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[02:31] <nickrud> Cristobal, there are things, look at mrproject
[02:31] <humbraro> Cristobal: office 2003 on linux? are you aware of crossover office?
[02:31] <Cristobal> yes  it wont run office 2003
[02:31] <Cristobal> well my point is
[02:31] <Razor-X> what's the difference between an Powerpoint Presentation, and an Impress Presentation?
[02:31] <Razor-X> other than very tiny minute differences?
[02:31] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: liberties.
[02:31] <Razor-X> *a
[02:32] <synd> i still think XMMS is the best :D
[02:32] <Cristobal> i installed linux and couldnt get most of my stuff done. first of all i couldnt install my wifi card and then it took me about 1 hour to do stuff that would probably do in 5 mins under windows... so
[02:32] <humbraro> Razor-X: lots - i have to use ppt for its video capabilities
[02:32] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: I meant, functionality wise
[02:32] <synd> unless they ever made iTunes for linux
[02:32] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: none.
[02:32] <Cristobal> linux tells windows people to make the switch but that switch costs a lot and not money
[02:32] <kroc> i actually prefer winamp
[02:32] <Zodiac> itunes is the worst
[02:32] <Razor-X> Cristobal: well, do you use the computer just to get your stuff done and leave?
[02:32] <kroc> Zodiac: indeed
[02:32] <synd> Cristobal: Linux takes a good amt of time to learn.
[02:32] <eonia> Razor-X, the powerpoint presentation has more built in selection, so it looks sleeker without adding your own images/backgrounds etc. Plus ppoint is slightly easier to use imho
[02:32] <Razor-X> because, then, I doubt Linux is for you
[02:32] <Cristobal> yes
[02:32] <Zodiac> cristobal has a point...
[02:32] <tritium> Cristobal, to each his own.  I can't get things done in a default windows install.
[02:32] <synd> Zodiac: itunes kicks ass
[02:32] <nickrud> muine, I live for album covers
[02:32] <_kevin> so does ice cast work like shoutcast, i play music on any player and it streams it?
[02:33] <Cristobal> cause my pc is not my life its just a functional thing, i use my pc for work and cant spend half of that time reading or learning how to get things done
[02:33] <Razor-X> the thing that people don't understand is this, the computer isn't just a tool, it's a medium all on it's own
[02:33] <Jormundgand> I can use either Windows or Linux, but I'm worried if I use Windows I'll get locked into one proprietary solution.
[02:33] <kroc> synd: you have to pay .99 $ per song
[02:33] <_kevin> i don't like setting a dir for the mp3s and then it access it
[02:33] <Razor-X> Cristobal: doesen't sound like you do much more than any of us, only you refuse to learn computer things
[02:33] <_kevin> i wanna do it live
[02:33] <synd> kroc: i have not payed a single cent for any of my songs on iTunes
[02:33] <borkdox> Ok, so how do I rip my Star Wars colelction into divx under amd64? there is not transcode whic is a dependency of dvd::rip....
[02:33] <kroc> well.. its still 99cent
[02:33] <Cristobal> i dont refuse to learn anything, but if i am being paid for something to get done in a period of timei cant spend half of that time learning how to do it
[02:33] <synd> kroc: i use a gnutella P2P to download and this is automatically loaded into itunes.
[02:33] <nickrud> Cristobal, all the effort with debian/ubuntu is up front; after that, you'll not have to deal with viruses, trojans, bad registry, etc
[02:34] <Cristobal> thats my point, windows is easier to use in all aspects
[02:34] <Razor-X> borkdox: unfortunately, encoding is the only thing i've met up wiht in Linux with very very bad support
[02:34] <eonia> Razor-X, I disagree. I don't have time to learn linux under normal circumstances.
[02:34] <synd> kroc: i have over 35K songs loaded into itunes
[02:34] <transgress> hey what's the file to edit to change the default window manager for startx?
[02:34] <tritium> Cristobal, not in scientific computing
[02:34] <Zodiac> The main things for linux to do if they want to improve market share is to get better driver support
[02:34] <Cristobal> nickrud, thats true, but i had a lot more to deal with trying to install my wifi card, witout success
[02:34] <Zodiac> that is critical
[02:34] <nalioth> Cristobal: the last i looked, linux had a variety of "point and click" interfaces
[02:34] <Razor-X> Cristobal: then learn it beforehand, so the rest of your work becomes faster
[02:34] <kroc> 35k?r you serius? when will you ever listen to all of them?!
[02:34] <sylvan> can linux mount NTFS disks in Read/Write mode?
[02:34] <synd> kroc: im a DJ
[02:34] <nickrud> Cristobal, blame the manufacturer, they won't release specs, most likely
[02:34] <Razor-X> sylvan: it sure can
[02:34] <kroc> o lol
[02:34] <synd> i use iTunes and the wireless streaming feature
[02:34] <humbraro> sylvan: yes
[02:34] <sylvan> okay...
[02:34] <synd> with an Airport Express router
[02:34] <_kevin> i want to know also
[02:35] <sylvan> Don't know where I got the "ro" from..
[02:35] <Cristobal> i downloaded the drivers for linux  directly from the manuf. they didintwork
[02:35] <_kevin> how it is possible
[02:35] <Zodiac> I so wish I could get my damn wireless card working
[02:35] <Razor-X> nickrud: ahhh, I love standards, now... which to pick....
[02:35] <Jormundgand> I don't think Linux should focus on increasing market share. I think it should focus on keeping the share it has. Increasing share increases attacks on Linux, which will lead to it being seen as insecure.
[02:35] <Cristobal> lol zodiac goodluck
[02:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:35] <synd> Zodiac: does it work with windows?
[02:35] <Zodiac> Shhhh
[02:35] <Razor-X> sylvan: IIRC, Ubuntu should do that by default
[02:35] <humbraro> sylvan: it was read-only for a time, but the drivers have matured
[02:35] <Zodiac> Of course
[02:35] <eonia> Razor-X, lol. Too bad standards do not mean single solutions :)
[02:35] <synd> Zodiac: then it will work with ubuntu
[02:35] <synd> ; )
[02:35] <kroc> IIRC? X-CHAT!
[02:35] <Zodiac> ha!
[02:35] <Razor-X> eonia: exactly ;)
[02:35] <_kevin> how can i set my ntfs drive so i can wirte on it?
[02:35] <sylvan> ubuntu didn't mount anything by default, I had to modify my fstab to include my windows partitions
[02:35] <Zodiac> With linux, it is always easier said than done
[02:36] <synd> Zodiac: what card is it
[02:36] <Razor-X> but, mount behaves a certain way when you mount
[02:36] <nickrud> Razor-X, it's not the standard, it's the implementation :)
[02:36] <Razor-X> *moutn a partition
[02:36] <synd> Zodiac: and what are you using, the latest hoary?
[02:36] <Zodiac> It is a new linksys card
[02:36] <Cristobal> the only reason why i would personally completely switch to linux is due to viruses and spyware whichj are annoying as hell, besides that i wouldnt change the easyness of windows for nothing
[02:36] <Razor-X> errr, yeah, that's the word I was looking for
[02:36] <Zodiac> yea the latest hoary
[02:36] <ccc> _kevin: you can't
[02:36] <synd> linksys <model number here>
[02:36] <Zodiac> the problem seems to be with WEP
[02:36] <eonia> sylvan: that's exactly what I've been saying. It should be mounted by default imho.
[02:36] <_kevin> someone said i can
[02:36] <synd> linksys, d-link, belkin cards are cake
[02:36] <shido6> Im playing video out to my TV finally!
[02:36] <shido6> with my radeon
[02:36] <Zodiac> linksys wpc54g
[02:36] <Razor-X> Cristobal: in life, do you do everything with a "Teach me teh easiest route" kinda outlook?
[02:37] <kroc> _kevin: shouldnt always believe somone...
[02:37] <ccc> _kevin: ok, that's news to me =)
[02:37] <shido6> I created a screen completely independent of my monitor screen :0.1
[02:37] <tritium> Cristobal, are you just here to troll?
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: is your router secured?
[02:37] <Razor-X> because, I can guarantee you, the more you know about something, the more effecient you are at it
[02:37] <shido6> but I get a green line at the bottom of my monitor
[02:37] <Zodiac> yes it is
[02:37] <eonia> _kevin, you can; but you have to use the windows dll file to do it as I recall
[02:37] <_kevin> when sylvan asked the question you guys said it's possible
[02:37] <Zodiac> WEP encryption
[02:37] <Razor-X> and most of the things I use, I know quite a bit about
[02:37] <Zodiac> It is weird...
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: thats the problem
[02:37] <_kevin> eonia do you know how to set it up
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: you have to turn of encryption
[02:37] <Zodiac> Hoary detected my card, but I cannot connect
[02:37] <Zodiac> What?
[02:37] <Zodiac> Why?
[02:37] <Cristobal> razor-x this is not a personal point
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: I know
[02:37] <tritium> Zodiac, no, you can use WEP
[02:37] <eonia> _kevin, not off-hand... google is your friend? :)
[02:38] <Zodiac> I should hope so!
[02:38] <_kevin> ok
[02:38] <Razor-X> Cristobal: no, but, learning about something exactly means that you get a better hold of it
[02:38] <Zodiac> I am not turning it off
[02:38] <synd> tritium: eh?
[02:38] <Cristobal> because that question should be asked to every computer user, not just me, rab any window user and put them in front of a linux pc, they will probably go back to windows
[02:38] <tritium> synd, ?
[02:38] <synd> i could have sworn that was why mine didnt work
[02:38] <sylvan> I tried to mount my ntfs partition with rw and then when I tried to chmod it so that I could write to it I got "chmod: changing permissions of `winxp_scratch': Read-only file system
[02:38] <sylvan> "
[02:38] <synd> i had wep enabled
[02:38] <Razor-X> Cristobal: I know that
[02:38] <synd> and someone told me to turn it off
[02:38] <synd> and the card magically worked
[02:38] <Zodiac> Dude you have to have WEP or WAP or something
[02:38] <humbraro> _kevin: packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/ntfsprogs
[02:38] <Razor-X> because, as far as I can tell, most human beings with a routine can't learn another one
[02:38] <Jormundgand> WEP is inferior encryption.
[02:38] <j-rock_> why are people putting in the effort to try and convert people?
[02:38] <Zodiac> WEP sucks, but it is better than nothing
[02:38] <synd> Zodiac: you dont have to
[02:38] <goldfish> WEP is nothing.
[02:38] <Razor-X> the few who can acheive much much more than the ones who can't, IMO
[02:39] <j-rock_> its only going to result in us supporting their idiocy on a different platform
[02:39] <tritium> Cristobal, windows does not have adequate tools for every user, particular the engineering/scientific community.
[02:39] <goldfish> very easily cracked
[02:39] <Zodiac> Some linksys equipment only uses WEP
[02:39] <_kevin> i foudn this one google it's 65 K program for 69 dollars packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/ntfsprog
[02:39] <Jormundgand> tritium: But you can MAKE it adequate.
[02:39] <Zodiac> yea it is... but not by your average dude
[02:39] <Razor-X> Zodiac: after you get WEP working, tunnel the connection through SSH
[02:39] <_kevin> http://www.topshareware.com/Paragon-NTFS-for-Linux-download-9271.htm
[02:39] <Zodiac> OMG
[02:39] <Jormundgand> tritium: That's the beauty of Linux. You're part of a community.
[02:39] <Zodiac> Are you serious?
[02:39] <Razor-X> tritium: I was about to say that too
[02:39] <Cristobal> i agree, but if you ask me about them, ive never used them in my 8 computing years, neither has my family and neither have i heard anyone complaining about those things
[02:39] <Zodiac> Why do I have to tunnel?
[02:39] <amonkey> Amaranth, ran the script, smeg command not found. no links?
[02:39] <kroc> tritium: isnt windows made for people with the brain of a 10 year old?
[02:39] <Razor-X> I know, definitely, my dad wouldn't be able to do half of anything he does in Linux
[02:39] <Amaranth> amonkey: *boggle*
[02:40] <Razor-X> care to find me a program which can simulate fluid stress on micro-devices based on certain parameters?
[02:40] <tritium> Zodiac, you'd be better off just using MAC filtering, rather than WEP
[02:40] <Razor-X> for Linux
[02:40] <Zodiac> damn
[02:40] <amonkey> Amaranth, boggle as in you are suprised or boggle that i missed something
[02:40] <Zodiac> yea I guess so
[02:40] <iceman> well got 5.4 installed and xcat up ..
[02:40] <kroc> Razor-X: ?
[02:40] <iceman> xchat
[02:40] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: Learn the mathematics of fluid dynamics and write it yourself, or port the Windows version.
[02:40] <Zodiac> You guys front on windows... but bleeding edge hardware requires it as far as I am concerned
[02:40] <Razor-X> kroc: this is for my dad, and i'm not about to do that for him ;)
[02:41] <kroc> Razor-X: i see you cant google it either.
[02:41] <Razor-X> but, if I were to go to engineering, I probably would
[02:41] <synd> i just started in the Networking/Information services dept at this big manufacturing company and I was telling my supervisor about how im going to school learning about networking with linux and he was like, "networking with linux is a good way to not find a job"
[02:41] <Amaranth> amonkey: Did the script say everything worked?
[02:41] <iceman> now doing aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:41] <Zodiac> I have no problems with my windows box... you just have to treat it like you would a car
[02:41] <Razor-X> kroc: it's something un-available in Linux
[02:41] <lifeless> synd: hes lying
[02:41] <Razor-X> the problem with Windows is, it's an idiotic standard
[02:41] <synd> Zodiac: windows is inferior
[02:41] <Cristobal> im gonna install Ubuntu on my mothers pc, she only does web surf and email so we dont have to worry about trojans
[02:41] <synd> lifeless: i agree
[02:41] <kroc> Razor-X: run WINE
[02:41] <Zodiac> Windows is inferior... in some ways yes
[02:41] <Zodiac> but
[02:41] <Zodiac> they have drivers
[02:41] <Razor-X> like QWERTY
[02:41] <Zodiac> linux doesnt
[02:41] <synd> OS X kicks the balls off windows
[02:41] <Zodiac> that is the main thing
[02:41] <Razor-X> kroc: I doubt those programs would run in WINE
[02:42] <eonia> _kevin, you shouldn't need to pay for it. I don't know the details, but there's an open source project involving NTFS, and their attempts to reverse engineer it. You can safely write to NTFS if you tell linux to use the windows dll file to do the writing. Otherwise the writing is unstable/unreliable. Knoppix had a pseudo-write option similar as I recall.
[02:42] <synd> because windows is the standard!
[02:42] <parabolize> kernel, driver, whatever
[02:42] <sri_> so all you breezy boys, do you have problems with key bindings not working the way they should?
[02:42] <Jormundgand> Windows has Linux beaten on a few areas relating to ease of use - ESR's CUPS nightmare springs to mind - but we're working on that.
[02:42] <Cristobal> synd OS x is the best in my opinion!
[02:42] <Zodiac> true, but linux needs to press the issue
[02:42] <Razor-X> eonia: you mean Captive, or experimental kernel read-write
[02:42] <amonkey> Amaranth, yeah, it didn't work the first time, forgot to sudo, but nothign erred the second time. installed 4 packages, cleaned up adn went to bed
[02:42] <synd> companies arent going to waste money on developing drivers for 5% of computer users
[02:42] <Razor-X> the former requires kernel recompilation
[02:42] <sri_> my nautilus for instance, refreshes the screen instead of opening a dialog box when I do ^L
[02:42] <_kevin> ok thanks eonia
[02:42] <tritium> To use windows effectively, I still need open-source software anyway, such as gsl, octave, tetex, python, scipy, etc
[02:42] <eonia> Razor-X, captive I think
[02:42] <Amaranth> amonkey: run dpkg -S smeg
[02:42] <j-rock_> Jormundgand: cups was easy, i had it up and running in <5 minutes, and most of that was reading documentation
[02:42] <synd> Cristobal: i think so too!
[02:42] <_kevin> also is ext 3 or ext 2 better?
[02:42] <_kevin> ext 3 just has journalling?
[02:42] <tritium> yes
[02:43] <Razor-X> _kevin: depends on your needs
[02:43] <Jormundgand> j-rock_: Because all my printers are over SMB share, I had it nigh-on instantly once Samba was set up. ;)
[02:43] <j-rock_> Jormundgand: i was dissappointed because i had a couple hours set aside to work on it, and it turned out to be really easy
[02:43] <sri_> daniels think it's xkb, but I don't think so, I ran cvs nautilus, and the keybindings work
[02:43] <Razor-X> if the drive is smaller, then ext2 is better
[02:43] <Razor-X> also, if you have many many small files, I believe ReiserFS is best for that
[02:43] <Cristobal> i didnt mean to start a fight here, i was just giving my point of view. i believe linux has its use and windows has its use and they are pointed to different minded people
[02:43] <j-rock_> Jormundgand: :)
[02:43] <sylvan> ubuntu should have an installer which starts in windows, scans all the hardware, tries to find the best drivers for it (to enable 3d hardware etc.) and then reboots.. Use the information about the system that the windows user has already established
[02:43] <Zodiac> I think windows with open source software operates just fine
[02:43] <kroc> Zodiac: you mean linux?
[02:43] <Razor-X> Cristobal: that's true, definitely, if you're in engineering, all I can say is, learn to code and make your own program... or you're out of luck
[02:44] <_kevin> i just need it for the basic system i have three paritiontions right now one is ext2 for my ubuntu, one is ntfs and othe ris FAT... the two other partitions are just ther to hold my mp3 collection
[02:44] <j-rock_> Zodiac: cept for the fact that it NEEDS third party apps to work right
[02:44] <humbraro> sylvan: good idea, but what would it store that info on?
[02:44] <_kevin> my precious collection
[02:44] <sri_> you needed a persistent store for that..
[02:44] <synd> j-rock_: exactly
[02:44] <sri_> probably a usb key
[02:44] <sri_> er drive
[02:44] <iceman> i want to see someone take linux .. "base" and make a console out of a desktop ... console games on a desktop system .
[02:44] <nickrud> Razor-X, yes, the tool for the need
[02:44] <Razor-X> _kevin: the MP3 collection would do best on ReiserFS, IMO
[02:44] <_kevin> i wanna back up my 80 gig fat on my 100 gig ntfs and den format the fat to a linux format
[02:44] <iceman> be like xbox ...
[02:44] <sri_> or, maybe you could put it on ntfs if it's XP and read it on boot up
[02:44] <synd> you *have* to use something like adaware.. spybot s&d
[02:44] <kroc> linux... my precciousss
[02:44] <synd> with windows
[02:44] <synd> or you are royally fuct
[02:44] <kroc> symantec is good
[02:44] <synd> i refuse to use IE
[02:45] <synd> have to use firefox
[02:45] <j-rock_> i refuse to use windows
[02:45] <kroc> FIREFOX RULEZZ
[02:45] <Zodiac> no I meant windows
[02:45] <synd> if i have to use windows
[02:45] <Razor-X> ewww... not Firefox
[02:45] <Razor-X> *ugh*
[02:45] <eonia> _kevin, if you want to back it up, you could use ghost to image it
[02:45] <j-rock_> microsoft free for >3 years
[02:45] <kroc> FIREFOX RULEZ
[02:45] <Amaranth> Razor-X: What do you use?
[02:45] <Razor-X> what a useless useless browser....
[02:45] <amonkey> Amaranth, said it installed smeg, but it didn't. did take care of the dependencies though i installed it from the deb
[02:45] <sylvan> humbraro: some temp file on the windows partition
[02:45] <Razor-X> Opera/Konqueror
[02:45] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[02:45] <Jormundgand> I have a friend who insists on using Mozilla. I pointed out the fact that Mozilla is legacy and no longer under development. He didn't care. He wanted to use Mozilla.
[02:45] <Razor-X> Firefox, IMO, has lost sight of it's goal
[02:45] <_kevin> ghost an image of 80 gigs on my ntfs drive?
[02:45] <synd> Razor-X: you love that KDE : )
[02:45] <kroc> opera is kind of weird...
[02:45] <Razor-X> I started using it way back in Phoenix days
[02:45] <Amaranth> Cristobal: Don't do that again.
[02:45] <Razor-X> synd: of course
[02:45] <Razor-X> in Phoenix, Firefox was nice
[02:45] <_kevin> it's like 70 gigs of mp3s...
[02:46] <Razor-X> as it was in Firebird
[02:46] <humbraro> sylvan: that would be good - i'll look into that as i remember 'drake or some distro doing something like that a couple of years ago
[02:46] <nalioth> synd: are you ill?
[02:46] <eonia> Razor-X, what goal is that?
[02:46] <Amaranth> synd: It's goal was to be an easy-to-use, secure browser.
[02:46] <Amaranth> err, Razor-X
[02:46] <_kevin> total my mp3 collection is like 120 gigs
[02:46] <nalioth> synd: use windoze? isnt that an oxymoron?
[02:46] <synd> nalioth: no
[02:46] <humbraro> sylvan: memory is foggy though
[02:46] <Zodiac> ubuntu is the most usable linux distro I have ever used
[02:46] <Zodiac> this is great
[02:46] <Cristobal> am i the only one running x chat on windows here:P
[02:46] <synd> nalioth: i *have* to use it at work
[02:46] <Razor-X> eonia: a nice, small browser, with a nice feature-set, and it's secure
[02:46] <eonia> Cristobal, probably ;-)
[02:46] <kroc> Cristobal: i run it on my windows too
[02:46] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Well, plus an IE replacement for Windows users.  I'm all about music and once in a while i need to stream music and use irc and msn and use openoffice
[02:46] <Amaranth> Razor-X: How is it not small, nice, and secure?
[02:46] <_kevin> other then that
[02:46] <Cristobal> mirc is a goodprogram but got tired of the same interface
[02:47] <Cristobal> x-chat is kinda cool
[02:47] <Amaranth> amonkey: uncheck the Visible box
[02:47] <synd> nalioth: i feel for me too. my supervisor got pissed when i was using Firefox
[02:47] <Razor-X> I have to say, progress has _definitely_ slowed to an idiotic halt after 0.8
[02:47] <kroc> x-chat is THE BEST
[02:47] <sylvan> humbraro.. It would be sweet for the casual user if there is a pseudo-guarantee that he can install linux with at least the hardware support he has on windows (without needing to do manual editing of Xorg.conf and such which casual users don't want to do)..
[02:47] <nalioth> synd: so use links
[02:47] <Amaranth> amonkey: You weren't deleting them in 0.5, you were just hiding them. Now you have a way to unhide them too. :)
[02:47] <eonia> Razor-X, isn't that pretty much what it is now..?
[02:47] <Razor-X> kroc: I like X-Chat, but BitchX more ;)
[02:47] <ki4cgp> Cristobal, I use x-chat when I'm in windows
[02:47] <Cristobal> anyone use BitchX thats probably the ugliest irc client ive seen lol
[02:47] <Zodiac> Did you pay for it?
[02:47] <kroc> Razor-X: ...
[02:47] <synd> bitchx..lol
[02:47] <synd> thats old skool
[02:47] <amonkey> Amaranth, most excellent. much thanks.
[02:47] <synd> love it
[02:47] <humbraro> sylvan agreed, it'd take lots of guesswork out of the install
[02:47] <iceman> brb i hope
[02:47] <Razor-X> eonia: well, one thing's for certain, I don't like what Firefox has turned into
[02:47] <Amaranth> amonkey: I'm working on a way to actually delete the ones you create, but it's a bit of a pain.
[02:47] <Zodiac> I want a free IRC client for windows
[02:47] <Razor-X> the thing is, it's become a lot like IE
[02:48] <humbraro> sylvan: i wonder if you could do a cygwin with hardware detection
[02:48] <amonkey> now if anyone can just help me recover the emails i accidently formated over *couch 3 times cough* i'll be on my way.
[02:48] <Amaranth> Zodiac: http://silverex.info
[02:48] <synd> Razor-X: its not anywhere near as bogged down as IE
[02:48] <Razor-X> where once, there was a pool of browsers, for the alterna-man to look at, now there is just Firefox
[02:48] <ki4cgp> You can use some of the older builds of x-chat
[02:48] <humbraro> Zodiac: i believe irssi runs on windows
[02:48] <j-rock_> Zodiac: there are gpl builds of x-chat for windows
[02:48] <sylvan> humbraro hmm.. not sure I follow
[02:48] <j-rock_> Zodiac: i cant remember the name of it though
[02:48] <Zodiac> X-chat you say?
[02:48] <Zodiac> Hey
[02:48] <synd> ack!
[02:48] <amonkey> Amaranth, did you write smeg or how are you involved?
[02:48] <humbraro> sylvan: are you familiar with cygwin?
[02:48] <Razor-X> and the minority of the people that overlook the hype of Firefox is a very very small minority
[02:48] <synd> time to watch White Noise
[02:48] <Cristobal> why do u guys talk about free and paid for software, to me everythings free or havent u heard of emule or gnutella lol
[02:48] <Zodiac> what is the command to type to someone specifically?
[02:48] <synd> with the woman : )
[02:48] <eonia> Razor-X, I'd disagree. I like it a lot. It's fairly compact, and the additional features are available through extensions. My personal complaint is that they are TOO SLOW to fix and shine it up the way it should be. I mean, c'mon, can't they fix the over-30-tabs browsing issue already!?
[02:48] <Razor-X> Opera is _much_ _much_ smaller
[02:48] <Cristobal> mirc for windows is free
[02:49] <j-rock_> Zodiac: /msg
[02:49] <sylvan> nope... I remember I had to use it to compile some library on windows, but now I just switch to my linux partition to play with that stuff
[02:49] <j-rock_> mirc licks
[02:49] <Amaranth> amonkey: I wrote smeg and help with bug fixes and direction of the PyXDG module it uses to work with the menu.
[02:49] <Razor-X> synd: man was meant as a collective noun
[02:49] <tritium> Cristobal, because we don't discuss stealing things here
[02:49] <sylvan> (some sort of "unix for windows"?)
[02:49] <Zodiac> ha h
[02:49] <dooglus> Cristobal: when we talk about "free software" we are talking about freedom, not price.
[02:49] <j-rock_> sylvan: cygwin?
[02:49] <Razor-X> eonia: yeah, that's true
[02:49] <Cristobal> what i do is not stealing
[02:49] <kroc> OS X is sweet, but you have to pay for it.. :/
[02:49] <Zodiac> I would think both
[02:49] <Cristobal> i use whats there available to take
[02:49] <Cristobal> this is the internet
[02:49] <sylvan> j-rock_ yeah that was what we were talking about
[02:49] <humbraro> its a *nix (linux pretty much) that runs on the windows kernel, it has X and everything
[02:49] <Zodiac> Free means free, in both terms
[02:49] <Razor-X> plus, on a 256 MB RAM box, anything more than 5 tabs sucks up power
[02:49] <Razor-X> with Firefox
[02:49] <nalioth> Cristobal: what version of mirc are you using?
[02:49] <amonkey> Amaranth, wow, i'm impressed. very nice.
[02:49] <Amaranth> Cristobal: Don't mention it again, please.
[02:49] <kroc> and OS X works only on MACs
[02:49] <Cristobal> okies
[02:50] <iceman> ok who can halp me set up video resolution in ubuntu ?
[02:50] <humbraro> if you could set up knoppix-style hardware detection on that, it'd rick
[02:50] <Amaranth> This channel has gone nuts today.
[02:50] <Cristobal> i use x-chat but 6.61 is the latest i believe
[02:50] <j-rock_> http://www.g-axis.org/screenshots/030.png
[02:50] <tritium> Cristobal, that does not justify taking it
[02:50] <synd> kroc: and only should work on macs
[02:50] <Amaranth> Can we please talk about Ubuntu?
[02:50] <synd> Amaranth: i concur
[02:50] <Strife> w00t
[02:50] <eonia> tritium, just out of curiousity, what engineering/scientific programs do you use for linux?
[02:50] <Razor-X> whereas, Opera fits more features in for less RAM, and less than a UPX'd Firefox filsize
[02:50] <Strife> got 3d acceleration working with my laptop!
[02:50] <synd> Amaranth: im getting a headache
[02:50] <kroc> synd: i said that..
[02:50] <tritium> eonia, quite a few.  I mostly write my own.
[02:50] <Cristobal> strife how did u do that is that a hardware
[02:50] <Zodiac> That is a pretty phat desktop
[02:50] <Razor-X> tirtium: you should release some, really
[02:50] <nalioth> Amaranth: did every1 recx a kernel update yesterday or just the PPC users?
[02:50] <synd> kroc: yes, and i meant that OS X should not be run on anything else
[02:50] <j-rock_> Zodiac: http://www.silverex.org/news/
[02:50] <kroc> and could..
[02:50] <eonia> tritium: that doesn't help me a lot :( lol
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: A bug in 1.0 makes it so RAM used for a tab isn't freed when the tab is closed. Will be fixed in 1.1.
[02:51] <iceman> i need help getting better resolution in ubuntu 5.4 with a nvidia card ... ? please
[02:51] <Razor-X> synd, Amaranth: craziness in chatrooms is something i've gotten used to, I guess
[02:51] <tritium> eonia, what help do you need?
[02:51] <Strife> Cristobal: how did I get 3d acceleration working?
[02:51] <Razor-X> Amaranth: it's taking _this_ long?
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Can you believe they're adding _more_ features and still making it faster? The only other people that do that on a large scale are Apple.
[02:51] <humbraro> iceman: try the easy fix first - ctrl-alt-+
[02:51] <Razor-X> and, i've been observing it's slowness compared to Opera since 0.7
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: It's a big deal. 1.0 is using a branch of gecko that was 6 months old when it released.
[02:51] <Razor-X> Amaranth: Opera isn't doing that?
[02:51] <Cristobal> yes
[02:51] <iceman> nope ... did nothing
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: A large part of the work is just making it work on the new gecko.
[02:52] <humbraro> hmm
[02:52] <eonia> tritium: I was wondering what apps were available in general, as well as graphing-wise (short of using mathmatica/mathcad)
[02:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Opera isn't free or Free.
[02:52] <tritium> Amaranth is right.  The SNR in here is way too low...
[02:52] <Strife> Cristobal: well, I have an ATI card... and the probelm I was having was that the driver seemed to be working, but the screen was blank
[02:52] <Zodiac> I have a perfect example to show the insanity of open source...
[02:52] <Cristobal> ah
[02:52] <Strife> Cristobal: so I found a suggestion to change an option in xorg.conf, and, voila, it works now
[02:52] <Amaranth> tritium: We can fix that. >:-)
[02:52] <Razor-X> Amaranth: but, in my opinion, if the functionality of one thing far outweighs its free counterpart, i'll use it
[02:52] <Zodiac> Why doesnt evolution import csv files????
[02:52] <tritium> Amaranth, ;)
[02:52] <Razor-X> hell, i'll _pay_ for Opera
[02:52] <Cristobal> woohoo
[02:52] <eonia> lol @ Amaranth
[02:52] <Cristobal> well i need to get off
[02:52] <kroc> Razor-X: are you crazy?
[02:52] <Cristobal> good luck to you all
[02:52] <Razor-X> worth every penny, and then some
[02:52] <Cristobal> and bye fornow
[02:52] <_kevin> ok i just downloaded and installed syneptic, how do i access it
[02:53] <_kevin> i mean
[02:53] <_kevin> icecast
[02:53] <tritium> eonia, I usually use gnuplot.  Octave (a Matlab clone) uses gnuplot as well.
[02:53] <_kevin> from synaptec
[02:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You wouldn't happen to be a PearPC user, would you?
[02:53] <Razor-X> Amaranth: quite a bit back, in fact
[02:53] <Razor-X> and yes, I am
[02:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I wrote that win32 networking guide. :)
[02:53] <Strife> I still can't get the screen to turn back on after suspend, though...
[02:53] <Razor-X> that's where I know you from
[02:53] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I know that ;)
[02:53] <tritium> eonia, what kind of plots do you need to generate?
[02:53] <ASUSanator> Anyone know how to make a boot network floppy for ubuntu ?
[02:54] <Zodiac> I have an apple sticker on my IBM laptop...
[02:54] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I really respect the additions you've made to Pear PC
[02:54] <tritium> Amaranth, +q ?
[02:54] <Amaranth> tritium: People have had warnings, if it gets out of hand again some might get it. Don't want to do it without at least one warning though.
[02:54] <Razor-X> I guess i'm a have to peruse through some stuff now
[02:54] <eonia> tritium: I was thinking along the lines of finding the maximum (accurately) of a third+ order equation. In excel you're forced to "make a set of data" and it's really not that accurate.
[02:55] <Zodiac> oh crap
[02:55] <kroc> firefox is way better than opera.
[02:55] <tritium> Amaranth, of course, but that's what you're referring to?
[02:55] <Zodiac> What is the package that gets MS fonts?
[02:55] <Amaranth> kroc: Drop it, please.
[02:55] <Razor-X> the step where you add zeroing terms in the Derivative rule of Products is staring at me
[02:55] <_kevin> anyone kno how i can access ice cast i downloaded using synaptec? i don't see any icons for it
[02:55] <Amaranth> tritium: Yeah, better than a kick.
[02:55] <Amaranth> Zodiac: msttcorefonts, iirc
[02:55] <crimsun> _kevin: use the initscript
[02:55] <Zodiac> aww yes
[02:55] <humbraro> _kevin: icecast is a server, check out their homepage
[02:55] <kroc> its late
[02:55] <kroc> ntie
[02:55] <tritium> eonia, eww, use octave, or gsl (gnu scientific library), or scipy
[02:55] <kroc> nite*
[02:55] <Razor-X> I only have one real complaint for Konqueror
[02:55] <amonkey> what should i google for to find out how to use twinview + a second video card for 3 monitors?
[02:56] <Razor-X> it has the _worst_ Printing support _imaginable_
[02:56] <iceman> ok anyone have link to the nvidia istall page ?
[02:56] <Zodiac> ugh but I wont be able to get them into Firefox will I??
[02:56] <humbraro> _kevin: it won't have a pretty gui interface (at least i don't think) :)
[02:56] <Amaranth> Razor-X: The UI isn't all that great either. :)
[02:56] <crimsun> amonkey: sh.nu/nvidia, read the example XF86Config
[02:56] <tritium> eonia, they all have nice optimization tools
[02:56] <Razor-X> I like the UI, meself, heh
[02:56] <Amaranth> Zodiac: Yes you will.
[02:56] <spiderworm> i have a complaint about arts
[02:56] <Razor-X> but, I know the faults in what I use
[02:56] <spiderworm> it suxx0rs
[02:56] <iceman> Anyone have the web link to installing the nvidia driver ?
[02:56] <Amaranth> spiderworm: Yeah, last time I used it it ate 99% CPU even when it wasn't doing anything.
[02:57] <Razor-X> like, IIRC, Firefox renders a few pages better than Opera does
[02:57] <Razor-X> and Konqueror
[02:57] <_kevin> ye
[02:57] <spiderworm> Amaranth: it does that from time to time for me
[02:57] <Amaranth> iceman: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto i think
[02:57] <eonia> tritium: thanks. Do you happen to have any resource (eng/scientific) lists for linux as well? Maybe a URL I could drool over?
[02:57] <tritium> iceman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:57] <sylvan> hmm.. when searching for "linux kernel" in synaptic I see that the currently installed kernel is the 386 one, shouldn't I (with a P4) switch to 686? Or even the 686 SMP ('cause I have HyperThreading)?
[02:57] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Firefox is more likely to load a page than Opera or Konq
[02:57] <tritium> eonia, I don't have a handy URL for you, sorry.
[02:57] <iceman> ty
[02:57] <crimsun> sylvan: ht is disabled in the errata kernel due to security concerns
[02:58] <crimsun> sylvan: but yes, linux-686-smp is fine
[02:58] <sylvan> okay.. thanks
[02:58] <tritium> eonia, http://www.nanohub.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=236&Itemid=244 has some nice info on scientific computing with python
[02:58] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Mostly because Opera thought it would be smart to pretend to be IE and try to emulate the IE engine bug-for-bug.
[02:58] <IIIEars> Hello!   Hi crimsun
[02:58] <crimsun> 'lo IIIEars
[02:59] <abisen_> i have a problem when i resume from suspend to RAM my Hard Disk starts this frequent spindowns and spin ups
[02:59] <sylvan> crimsun: if I mark it and click apply will it then be a simple matter of rebooting, or do I need to "select" the new kernel somehow?
[02:59] <nalioth> IIIEars: evenin'
[02:59] <eonia> tritium: thanks
[02:59] <tritium> eonia, optimization stuff on pp. 112-115 of Talk 1
[02:59] <Amaranth> crimsun: It really sucks telling people hyperthreading is disabled in the kernel. People that only know the marketing will be furious.
[02:59] <crimsun> sylvan: after it finishes installing, just reboot
[02:59] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Opera spoofs IE that closely?
[02:59] <sylvan> thanks
[02:59] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It tries and fails.
[02:59] <tritium> hi crimsun, IIIEars
[02:59] <crimsun> 'lo tritium
[02:59] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:59] <Zodiac> that did it
[03:00] <Zodiac> Excellent
[03:00] <Zodiac> god the base firefox font is awful
[03:00] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It might be better in 8.0, I haven't used it since doing web design and testing with 7.0.
[03:00] <Amaranth> Zodiac: Bitstream fonts are better than the microsoft ones, imho.
[03:00] <IIIEars> Guys I have what to others would be a huge problem...    My new Redmond OS machine sits unused.
[03:00] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Install Ubuntu on it. ;)
[03:01] <IIIEars> Sounds Good! :)
[03:01] <nalioth> IIIEars: so put ubuntu on it
[03:02] <iceman> sorry nic was trying to read nvidia install instructions ..
[03:03] <Janux> hi all, I installed Ubuntu with server settings, now I want to install XFce, I installed Xorg and Xfce, and then I tried startx, it gave me xorg.conf error, did I miss any particular package?
[03:03] <Zodiac> yes
[03:03] <Zodiac> ha ha
[03:03] <Zodiac> No I have no idea actually
[03:03] <sylvan> crimsun: is there a way to verify that I'm actually running the new kernel after I reboot?
[03:03] <xf`> I've recompiled my kernel a few times and for some strange reason it's not booting.  I've compiled kernels for years and years.  I'm not sure whats going on.  It locks up after it says "OK. Loading kernel.." or something to that sort.
[03:03] <crimsun> Janux: you need xfce4 and x-window-system-core
[03:03] <iceman> no that link was not the one i needed ...
[03:03] <IIIEars> uname something isn't it?
[03:03] <tritium> sylvan, uname -r
[03:03] <^thehatsrule^> Janux, used sudo apt-get install xfce4? try startxfce4
[03:04] <sylvan> thanks
[03:04] <crimsun> sylvan: uname -a
[03:04] <xf`> My IDE drivers are fine, the supported file systems are fine...
[03:04] <Janux> ^thehatsrule^, starxfce4 is a command? that xfce command or startx command?
[03:04] <crimsun> err, sorry tritium got it :)
[03:04] <tritium> iceman, the one I gave you?
[03:04] <Janux> crimsun, yes I did.
[03:05] <crimsun> Janux: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:05] <sylvan> what's the package "linux-image-686-smp" do?
[03:05] <tritium> iceman, my fault.  Please see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <crimsun> sylvan: it's a metapackage for the latest kernel in main
[03:05] <Janux> crimsun, I tried and I don't know how much video ram it has cuz it's Intel onboard video.
[03:05] <sylvan> so what's the difference between using that and just linux-686-smp?
[03:06] <eonia> wow, things have finally slowed down :)
[03:06] <crimsun> sylvan: no difference; they both pull in the newest linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp
[03:06] <sylvan> okay.. Guess I'll reboot then...
[03:06] <tritium> eonia, SNR++ :)
[03:06] <sylvan> bye for now
[03:06] <eonia> tritium: rofl
[03:07] <eonia> I've got it.. I can cross my fingers, and say "Bill Gates owns linux!" That should restore the SNR to "normal" :)
[03:07] <xf`> Anyone have any suggestions for me? :)
[03:08] <_kevin> i'm totally lost for icecast, i need a setup set thing from start (install) to how to set it up for live stream from any sound source. like my sound card music playin on XMMS
[03:08] <humbraro> anybody here a good way to connect a remote gnome-session with ssl?  everything i see points to ltsp
[03:08] <crimsun> _kevin: it's very simple, really. Install icecast2 and ices2.
[03:08] <crimsun> _kevin: the reads the docs for both.
[03:08] <IIIEars> How do i prep my home directory for transfer? Can preserve permissions and symlinks?
[03:08] <crimsun> then^
[03:09] <humbraro> _kevin: www.icecast.org/docs.php
[03:09] <xf`> I've recompiled my kernel a few times and for some strange reason it's not booting.  I've compiled kernels for years and years.  I'm not sure whats going on.  It locks up after it says "OK. Loading kernel.." or something to that sort.
[03:09] <xf`> I'm lost :(
[03:09] <humbraro> xf does it lock up, or does the screen go blank?
[03:09] <eonia> Question: is there a way to centralize AIM history for both linux (gaim) and win (trillian etc)?
[03:09] <_kevin> i found on google http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/sound/icecast-server
[03:09] <xf`> IT locks up
[03:10] <humbraro> at what point during the bootup?
[03:10] <xf`> jst says "Ok. Loading kernel something something"
[03:10] <ryu> hi!
[03:10] <IIIEars> IIIEars_googles_tar
[03:10] <xf`> I don't get a kernel panic or anythimg
[03:10] <xf`> just says loading the kernel
[03:10] <xf`> then it stops
[03:10] <Kalidarn> hi anyone know how to create a boot floppy for a network installl in linux?
[03:10] <IIIEars> /nick IIIEars_away
[03:10] <crimsun> _kevin: that's the old version of icecast. You don't want that. You want icecast2.
[03:10] <Kalidarn> i havn't got a cddrom
[03:11] <amonkey> Amaranth, transgaming reiterated itself (it came back up on the menu) but nothing changed (still moved and hidden) in smeg.
[03:11] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[03:11] <Kalidarn> used to using RawWrite for windows..
[03:11] <humbraro> have you tried passing vga=normal?
[03:11] <xf`> i copied /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 ... then vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:11] <Amaranth> amonkey: It's a legacy menu, not much can be done with it.
[03:11] <Kalidarn> thats how i did it for mandrake atleast.
[03:11] <amonkey> Amaranth, poo. ok.
[03:11] <xf`> humbararo I haven't
[03:11] <Amaranth> amonkey: I try as hard as possible to make it unnoticable, but there are some bugs that I can't fix.
[03:12] <xf`> where can i pass that at?
[03:12] <crimsun> xf`: and the modules and initrd? How about depmod being executed?
[03:12] <humbraro> xf it boots the stock kernel though?
[03:12] <sylvan> success!
[03:12] <xf`> crimson, ahh did the modules...what's hte initrd?
[03:12] <Kalidarn> i am assuming its not possible
[03:12] <Kalidarn> to create a network boot floppy for ubuntu...
[03:12] <Kalidarn> i havn't seen it mentioned in any of the documentation.
[03:12] <crimsun> xf`: did you compile everything into your kernel ("Y") required to find your / ?
[03:13] <xf`> yeah
[03:13] <xf`> IDE stuff and ext3 fs support
[03:13] <crimsun> then you can skip the initrd
[03:14] <xf`> trying vga=normal
[03:14] <xf`> brb
[03:14] <eonia> Question: how do I force the filebrowser in ubuntu to run as root on the livecd?
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> sudo?
[03:15] <nickrud> eonia, what are trying to do, that's probably not the right way
[03:15] <iceman> nick sorry was reading
[03:15] <Kalidarn> so no one knows how to create a network boot floppy with ubuntu? seems rather simple isn't it?
[03:16] <iceman> typed the xdpyinfo and go a list
[03:16] <xf`> Okay no luck still..
[03:16] <humbraro> hmm
[03:16] <xf`> how do I build an initrd?
[03:16] <eonia> nickrud, I'm trying to browse hda1 that I just mounted in the root terminal
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> Kalidarn, i think you can download one
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> xf`, vga=791 ?
[03:17] <paolob> Hi guys! I installed apache2 and  libapache2-mod-php4, apache2 is running, but I apache can't interpret correctly the php files, when I try to open a php file in localhost with the browser (epiphany), a dialog appears telling me that I'm opening a php script, and asking me what do I want to do with it. open with an application or save to disk. What could be the reason? On the contrary, from another computer all is OK.
[03:17] <Kalidarn> yeah where from?
[03:17] <Kalidarn> the file that goes into RawWrite?
[03:17] <_kevin> i try to access /etc/icecast2 through the file browser and there is a red X on the folder and when i click on it says i don't have permission
[03:17] <Kalidarn> im assuming thats the way ubuntu does it.
[03:17] <nickrud> eonia, from a regular terminal, sudo nautilus <dir>
[03:17] <xf`> the old kernel is using vga=normal and is fine
[03:17] <_kevin> i right click on it and it disappears
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> im pretty sure the img would have instructions heh
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> prolly dd
[03:18] <humbraro> xf`: see if there's a /proc/config.gz - that'll have the current config to help track down your problem
[03:18] <iceman> anyone know the link to nvidia drivers install .. has like 5 lines you can cut and paste
[03:18] <eonia> nickrud: thanks.
[03:18] <nickrud> eonia, at least that worked for me some time ago, when I was experimenting
[03:18] <xf`> thanks humb
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> paolob: maybe you have to manually modify the apache conf file to load the php4 module
[03:18] <eonia> nickrud: it works
[03:19] <humbraro> np
[03:19] <nickrud> still
[03:19] <xf`> humbararo: thre is no /proc/config.gz
[03:19] <xf`> found one though in /boot
[03:19] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, apparently it is loaded... how can I see whether is it loaded or no?
[03:19] <cliebow_> paolob: sounds like an epiphany prob huh..
[03:19] <humbraro> xf`: may i ask why you're compiling a kernel?
[03:20] <dooglus> do I need to run "apt-get update" regularly, or will the ubuntu notice when updates are available even if I don't do that?
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> paolob: im not sure, but check your httpd.conf
[03:20] <paolob> cliebow_, I correct, I use firefox
[03:20] <Kalidarn> as it is also my floppy drive is USB
[03:20] <Kalidarn> can i use the files at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot#s-boot-from-floppies
[03:20] <Kalidarn> ie.... For booting from an USB floppy drive, you need a third-party version of boot-floppies, available on http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/.
[03:21] <Kalidarn> will ubuntu work if i do this?
[03:21] <cliebow_> hmm..i use php-4.3.11 sql and moodle without a prob in firefox..
[03:21] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, I have it in httpd.conf. Something told me that I must add it to a localhost section of a config file... Because from another pc all is ok. Where should I put the command to load it for localhost connection?
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> oh! it only downloads it as a .php on your machine?!
[03:23] <lifeless> paolob: is your last name bonzini ?
[03:23] <paolob> lifeless, no
[03:23] <lifeless> k
[03:24] <_kevin> icecast2 -c /home/jah/icecast.xml
[03:24] <_kevin> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/jah/icecast.xml"
[03:24] <_kevin> FATAL: error parsing config file (/home/jah/icecast.xml)
[03:24] <crimsun> _kevin: you have syntax error(s)
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, try using your external ip perhaps instead of using localhost?
[03:24] <brap> I have to install Hoary in server mode because it hangs on installing the version of Xorg that's on the cd.  What do I need to run from the command line to install all of gnome if that makes sense?
[03:25] <cliebow_> might be worth trying the simplest php file..like phpinfo.php
[03:25] <lifeless> ubuntu-desktop
[03:25] <_kevin> ohh
[03:25] <lifeless> brap: 6^
[03:25] <brap> lifeless: thanks
[03:25] <_kevin> is there anyone here that knows how to set up icecast and would like to help me
[03:25] <_kevin> i'm reading the website instruction but am not getting any where
[03:26] <spinifex> omg gsumi is so glitchy and broken
[03:26] <spinifex> it doesn't work at all
[03:26] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, with the external ip it works! (isn't it strange?)
[03:26] <iceman> back in a few
[03:26] <spinifex> where's that bug reporting tool...
[03:27] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, with <IP_ADDRESS> it works too! what's the hell with localhost?!?
[03:27] <_kevin> i don't know how to or where to access the icecast.xml
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, perhaps its in /etc/resolv.conf, point localhost to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, if you use localhost, maybe it just access it normally from hdd or something
[03:28] <benplaut> Burgundavia, joh: any updates?
[03:28] <crimsun> _kevin: did you copy it over?
[03:28] <IIIEars_> grub_install --root_directory=/dev/hdb,1/root/grub INSTALL_DEVICE=/dev/hda,1    (is that right?)
[03:29] <_kevin> i just did apt-get install icecast2 ices2
[03:29] <spinifex> hey, why is it that they just released an update for mozilla-firefox, but it still marks it as version 1.0.2?
[03:29] <IIIEars_> guessing from the long pause it isn't even close
[03:29] <benplaut> spinifex: a bug that everyone has... but an easy fix
[03:29] <spinifex> I know, but it's stupid
[03:30] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, I have localhost pointing to <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/hosts, but not in /etc/resolv.conf. Should I put it in resolv.conf too?
[03:30] <spinifex> that they haven't fixed it yet, but already released another patch
[03:30] <ChinaCatJones> any one up for a why did my sound quit working after reboot question
[03:30] <Burgundavia> benplaut, just sorting through my email right now
[03:30] <Kalidarn> i am assuming no one here knows if its possible for network install booting floppies.
[03:30] <crimsun> ChinaCatJones: it's better to just describe it
[03:30] <caffinated> ChinaCatJones: check dmesg for errors
[03:30] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, I added it to resolv.conf, nothing changes
[03:30] <benplaut> good
[03:30] <Kalidarn> anyone tried it?
[03:31] <Kalidarn> anyone even able to see my text? its like i am ignored here.
[03:31] <hyphenated> paolob: no, you should make sure nsswitch.conf has the correct setting
[03:31] <benplaut> can't wait to have gnome-panel back... i think the libc6 is breaking a bunch of stuff
[03:31] <hyphenated> paolob: can't you resolve "localhost" ?
[03:31] <iceman> who can help me tweek the resolution setting on a new install
[03:31] <we2by> how do I play a dvd movie on Ubuntu?
[03:32] <iceman> i'm stuck at 640x480 resolution ?
[03:32] <lowlux> what up
[03:32] <benplaut> we2by: go to www.ubuntuguide.org ... they have instructions
[03:32] <paolob> hyphenated, ping localhost is ok! What should I put in nsswitch.conf?
[03:33] <_kevin> FATAL: error parsing config file (/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml)
[03:33] <_kevin> XML config parsing error
[03:33] <_kevin> what does that mean
[03:33] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, ah sorry, i meant hosts ^^ resolv's for dns stuff
[03:33] <caffinated> _kevin: it means there is something in that XML file that stops it from being understood
[03:33] <_kevin> man this is so frustrating,
[03:33] <hyphenated> paolob: no, you shouldn't need to change anything in those files
[03:33] <spinifex> yo, I've found an incredibly predictable way to crash gsumi.  How do I do a backtrace and such?
[03:33] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:33] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:34] <hyphenated> paolob: the problem is not caused by settings in there
[03:34] <paolob> hyphenated, ah, ok
[03:34] <sams> anybody know why firefox doesnt have java support already enabled?
[03:34] <sams> in ubuntu?
[03:34] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:34] <_kevin> any one here every setup icecast2 with ices2 and got it working under ubuntu
[03:34] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:34] <crimsun> _kevin: yes
[03:34] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:34] <iceman> what do i change to get more than 640 x 480 resolution ?
[03:34] <spinifex> sams: because.  Go download it
[03:34] <sams> ive tried it wont install
[03:34] <mp8223> does anybody know how to mount a vfat partition in read write mode?
[03:34] <_kevin> can you like pm me all the steps
[03:35] <benplaut> sams: by the ubuntuguide instructions?
[03:35] <_kevin> from install to accessing
[03:35] <spinifex> sams: read the restricted formats faq: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:35] <sams> most modern distros already have java enabled in their browser, why does ubuntu not do this
[03:35] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:35] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:35] <_kevin> if you don't mind
[03:35] <benplaut> sams: GPL... it kinda sucks for stuff like this
[03:35] <iceman> I need help setting better video resolution ? Please ?
[03:35] <crimsun> _kevin: there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/icecast2/ and /usr/share/doc/ices2/examples/
[03:36] <sams> too bad, i prefer a distro thats ready to go straight outta the box
[03:36] <spinifex> uh...  does any distro support java 'out of the box'?
[03:36] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:36] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:36] <lowlux> HELPPPP!
[03:37] <Madpilot> lowlux: posting EXACTLY the same q. three or four times isn't going to get you help any faster, y'know.
[03:37] <spinifex> anyway, allow me to repeat myself.  Gsumi is crashing like crazy on me.  Would someone instruct me on how to properly report a bug, or make a backtrace?
[03:38] <lowlux> i don't think any one here knows what there doing.......
[03:39] <spinifex> seems the sad truth at the moment, lowlux
[03:39] <crimsun> some of us are just busy, lowlux. Have a bit of patience.
[03:39] <spinifex> I haven't used a livecd
[03:39] <caffinated> lowlux: i don't think you know how to spell.  but then, we all have our little problems, right? :)
[03:39] <lowlux> no im just fast
[03:39] <geneo93> you sure its not your cd imaage
[03:39] <spinifex> lowlux: look for scratches, and make sure it's clean
[03:40] <crimsun> lowlux: look at the logs on tty/1 and tty/2
[03:40] <lowlux> evrything runs just fine...... to i get to creating user
[03:40] <lowlux> i have it on 2 cds
[03:40] <geneo93> check the md5sum
[03:40] <spinifex> lowlux: to look at the logs crimsum refers to, hold control-alt and hit F2 or F3
[03:41] <spinifex> I mean F1 or F2
[03:41] <tritium> F1-F6 should all work
[03:41] <lowlux> all right be right back....... dunno how im gonna copy the log
[03:41] <spinifex> yeah but he said tty 1 and 2 =p (tritium)
[03:42] <lowlux> i don't get it....
[03:42] <crimsun> (that'd be F2 and F3. You were right first.)
[03:42] <spinifex> lowlux: look for errory lines.  If gpm (the mouse thingy for terminal) is working, you can hilight and then middleclick to paste.  Uh, you could take a digital camera picture
[03:42] <spinifex> don't paste here though, use a pastebin
[03:44] <i3dmaste1> after upgrade kernel to 2.6.10-5-686 (2.6.10-34.1), I am not able to bootup anymore. it has kernel panic saying cannot syncing: VFS:Unable to mount root fs unknow_block(0,0). wondering what happen?
[03:44] <novaflare> how would one start a new session in ubuntu?
[03:44] <spinifex> what type of session?
[03:44] <spinifex> X session?  like two at a time?
[03:45] <novaflare> as in x yeh
[03:45] <spinifex> two at a time, or just a different type of session?
[03:45] <novaflare> where i could swap out of a full screen app to a new session and back
[03:45] <novaflare> like i play rubies and theres no alt tab in it
[03:45] <novaflare> but i want to be able to pop in to irc
[03:45] <caffinated> novaflare: xinit -- someProgram :1 iirc.  but you have to do something with the permissions files for X too.
[03:45] <novaflare> so irc in one session rubies in another
[03:45] <spinifex> hey, that would be cool.  I don't know how to do that though
[03:46] <caffinated> you can do it
[03:46] <tritium> Applications->System Tools->New Login isn't what you want, novaflare ?
[03:46] <IIIEars_> Hm.. new "Patriot Act II" - Worth a read if you live in the U.S.
[03:46] <crimsun> i3dmaste1: does your machine use lilo or grub?
[03:46] <novaflare> will that let me have another session ?
[03:46] <i3dmaste1> grub
[03:47] <novaflare> where i can swap between the 2 useing a hot key combo?
[03:47] <caffinated> yeah, need to add a new display in Xauth before you can use xinit to start a second display
[03:47] <crimsun> i3dmaste1: does ,,sudo update-grub'' complete successfully?
[03:47] <novaflare> k
[03:47] <novaflare> ill read up on it now that i know whats possible
[03:47] <tritium> novaflare, yes, it works without any modifications
[03:47] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: I did not do that
[03:47] <novaflare> and some basics on what to read up on
[03:47] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: let me do it now
[03:47] <crimsun> i3dmaste1: normally you don't have to
[03:48] <novaflare> so new log in new session open apps
[03:48] <iceman> i'm lost ... nvidia driver is installed ...
[03:48] <novaflare> then how to switch between the 2 trintim?
[03:48] <iceman> now how to enable better screen resolutions
[03:48] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: yes, it says done
[03:48] <tritium> novaflare, Ctrl-Alt-F8 will get you to the 2nd one
[03:48] <spinifex> oh my, that is TOTALLY SWEET
[03:48] <novaflare> and to get to first?
[03:48] <novaflare> same thing?
[03:48] <tritium> Ctrl-Alt-F7, novaflare
[03:49] <caffinated> meh, xinit is better.  you don't get the overhead of another gnome session
[03:49] <spinifex> caffinated: When I do that, it says 'fatal server error: server is already active for display 0'
[03:49] <tritium> novaflare, if you install xnest, you can even run the new session in a window
[03:50] <iceman> dang ... how to enable 1024x768 in kde on ubuntu ..
[03:50] <tritium> iceman, did you "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[03:50] <iceman> ? did not see that ?
[03:50] <lowlux> im about ready to give up on ubuntu
[03:50] <caffinated> spinifex: yeah, you're probably accessing the wrong display.  plus, you have to grant the authority to do it through Xauth
[03:51] <tritium> iceman, it's not strictly necessary, but that's what you'd use to reconfigure X
[03:51] <spinifex> caffinated: explain...
[03:51] <caffinated> spinifex: google for it.  there is no shortage of pages explaining the process.
[03:51] <tritium> spinifex, you're using "New Login"?
[03:51] <iceman> tritium nv is listed .. not nvidia ?
[03:51] <caffinated> it's a slight pain to set up initially, but it's worth it because you don't have to start a window manager or anything
[03:52] <spinifex> tritium: New login worked.  I don't know how to use xinit though
[03:52] <caffinated> this means you can do things like run games in seperate X displays without the overhead of another desktop
[03:52] <tritium> iceman, sounds like you didn't run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"?
[03:52] <spinifex> new login is very sweet though.  Now I can show off all my window managers without having to log out!  yay
[03:52] <tritium> spinifex, :)
[03:52] <caffinated> yeah, new login is nice.  just not the most optimal thing for games ;)
[03:53] <caffinated> though, what you could do, is use something like matchbox when you start the second X session
[03:53] <iceman> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[03:53] <tritium> caffinated, yeah, but who has time for games ?  ;)
[03:53] <spinifex> matchbox?
[03:53] <caffinated> it's extremely minimal, and wouldn't use up much memory
[03:53] <caffinated> it's a window manager.  very lightweight
[03:53] <tritium> iceman, please make sure nvidia-glx is installed
[03:54] <iceman> how do i restart kde if i go to run level 3 ...
[03:54] <iceman> init 3
[03:54] <spinifex> okay, I'll install it
[03:54] <caffinated> spinifex: when you start the second session, it should let you pick which wm you use from the ones you've installed
[03:54] <iceman> what is it to restart kde ?
[03:54] <tritium> iceman, no, ubuntu and debian don't use runlevels in that way
[03:55] <tritium> iceman, should be: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:55] <geneo93> iceman:  exit
[03:55] <iceman> nvidia driver wont install in x while it's running
[03:55] <caffinated> tritium: at the moment, i do ;)
[03:55] <matt__> anyone got a broadcom wifi card working?  I've done ndiswrapper on the divers already but doesn't light up
[03:55] <caffinated> which reminds me, i should really be playing twisted metal on my PSP
[03:55] <spinifex> tritium: okay I'm curious: what's the best way to make X go away for a moment?
[03:55] <tritium> iceman, I mean the nvidia-glx package
[03:56] <abisen_> i am a new debian based user ... could some body tell me how do i find is a particular package is installed or not and if yes then what are the files that are installed in the package like rpm -qa | package rpm -ql  or emerge --search in gentoo
[03:56] <tritium> spinifex, just stop the display manager, I'd say
[03:56] <caffinated> abisen_: use synaptic
[03:56] <tritium> abisen, apt-cache policy <packagename>
[03:56] <spinifex> trytium: I mean how
[03:57] <iceman> aptitude install nvidia-glx did this ... next ?
[03:57] <spinifex> generally if you kill X, it attempts to start again
[03:57] <matt__> abisen go to system-->admin-->synaptic
[03:57] <tritium> abisen, and dpkg -L <packaname> to list the files in that package
[03:57] <iceman> aptitude install nvidia-glx i have done ... and lost now ..
[03:57] <tritium> iceman, "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[03:58] <Xenguy> abisen_: dpkg -l packag* ... dpkg -L packagename
[03:58] <iceman> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found   nope ..
[03:58] <Xenguy> abisen_: dunno if 'sudo' is necessary
[03:59] <abisen_> Xenguy, thanks
[03:59] <Xenguy> abisen_: yw
[03:59] <tritium> iceman, you're using sudo?
[04:00] <spinifex> um, wtf, kde just said my battery has 3 minutes left and logged me out.  But the battery monitor displays an hour and 3 minutes left
[04:01] <spinifex> and hour and 12 I mean
[04:01] <iceman>  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable in sudo and no luck
[04:02] <iceman> without sudo in root terminal no luck
[04:02] <tritium> iceman, it's in the nvidia-glx package.  You're sure you installed it?
[04:03] <iceman> yep
[04:03] <hroxby> I am a little confused as to why there is no python-sqlobject in hoary?  Its in sarge... any ideas?
[04:04] <poningru> guys I am going to reformat my laptop
[04:04] <bob2> perhaps it didn't build
[04:04] <poningru> I want to compile my own kernel and then build ubuntu is there a guide to this entire process?
[04:04] <hroxby> Any ideas why something would be in sarge but not hoary more generally?
[04:05] <bob2> poningru: you mean "install ubuntu"?
[04:05] <poningru> yeah
[04:05] <bob2> hroxby: generally only if it failed to build, which is unlikely for a pure python thing
[04:05] <poningru> but not the precompiled install
[04:05] <bob2> poningru: you want to compile all of ubuntu from source?
[04:06] <nalioth> bob2 sounds like "way beyond linux from scratch"
[04:06] <bob2> yeah
[04:07] <bob2> it's possible, but pointless and massively time consuming
[04:07] <xf`> How can I disable all oss modules loaded and enable all of my alsa modules?
[04:07] <spinifex> I think he just wants a custom kernel.  Wouldn't it be easier to install first, and customize the kernel later?
[04:07] <bob2> and discouraged, since if you have to ask for help, you're going to have problems
[04:07] <bob2> spinifex: if possible, yup
[04:07] <bob2> xf`: that should happen by default.  hotplug is loading oss modules ahead of alsa ones?
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> anyone recommend a video editing suite?
[04:08] <spinifex> btw, I installed matchbox.  How do I write the .desktop file so I can launch it from gdm?
[04:08] <spinifex> would be nice if those were included in the packages..
[04:08] <tritium> bluefoxicy, kino
[04:08] <benplaut> bluefoxicy: Kino kinda sucks, but it is the only one (correct me if i'm wrong)
[04:08] <poningru> bob2: yes
[04:08] <bob2> poningru: why?
[04:09] <poningru> processor opimization
[04:09] <bob2> and please don't use the phraase "optimise for my processor" ;p
[04:09] <xf`>  bo 2: I"m not quite sure.  When I use alsaplayer -o alsa foo.mp3
[04:09] <poningru> brb
[04:09] <poningru> lol
[04:09] <bob2> haha
[04:09] <poningru> why not?
[04:09] <bob2> no, it won't help, really
[04:09] <poningru> brb
[04:09] <bob2> if you want that, use gentoo
[04:09] <djgomez33> anyone good with setting up network connections?
[04:09] <matt__> anyone have any luck getting a pcmcia WIFI card to work?
[04:09] <xf`> bob2: I get...Failed to load output plugin "alsa".  Trying defaults.
[04:09] <bob2> djgomez33: best to just ask your question
[04:09] <bob2> matt__: works for lots of people
[04:09] <bob2> xf`: what sound card do you have?
[04:10] <xf`> bob2: What I'm really after is having my apps share sound or mix the sound
[04:10] <xf`> Intel AC'97
[04:10] <glick> hey how do i activate the root account on ubuntu?
[04:10] <matt__> bob2, any luck with the broadcom driver?
[04:10] <nalioth> spinifex: /usr/share/xsession(s)  and monkey see monkey do
[04:10] <bob2> glick: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:10] <bob2> glick: but really, there's no need to
[04:10] <bob2> matt__: using ndiswrapper?
[04:10] <matt__> yea
[04:10] <bob2> ouch
[04:10] <bob2> is it too late to get a refund on it?
[04:10] <djgomez33> i keep getting a sudo:unable to lookup laptop via gethostbyname()
[04:11] <xf`> bob2: A refund on my sound card?  It's onboard.
[04:11] <djgomez33> thats when I am trying to troubleshoot with various online threads
[04:11] <bob2> djgomez33: your /etc/hosts is broken
[04:11] <bob2> xf`: not you
[04:11] <xf`> ahh okay
[04:11] <djgomez33> bob2: how can I go about fixing that? reinstall?
[04:11] <matt__> bob2, why? broadcom is a no go with ubuntu so far?
[04:11] <^thehatsrule^> refund your mobo then ;p
[04:11] <spinifex> nalioth, you mean to attempt to mimic the other files?
[04:11] <bob2> xf`: what does "lsmod | grep ac97" print?
[04:11] <nalioth> spinifex: open one of the other .desktop files and create one for your matchbox
[04:11] <bob2> matt__: they don't have linux drivers, so you have to use ndiswrapper, which is a pretty nasty solution
[04:12] <nalioth> spinifex: using the exising ones for guides
[04:12] <bob2> matt__: if at all possible, I'd really recommend getting one that linux supports
[04:12] <spinifex> okay, I'll do my best
[04:12] <matt__> bob2, yea but if it works ....
[04:12] <i3dmaste1> how to get the initrd.img stuff out?
[04:12] <bob2> djgomez33: no, show us your /etc/hosts
[04:12] <spinifex> are tehre any guides on this?  I don't know what to google
[04:12] <nalioth> spinifex: unfortunately, i had to do this for my other WMs
[04:12] <xf`> bob2: ...
[04:12] <xf`> snd_ac97_codec         74144  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:12] <xf`> snd_pcm                94696  4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[04:12] <xf`> snd                    55012  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[04:12] <bob2> i3dmaste1: what are you trying to do?
[04:12] <bob2> xf`: so, you have the alsa modules loaded
[04:12] <djgomez33> whats the best way to do that?
[04:12] <spinifex> nalioth: I found a guide with what I had to write for the enlightenment one
[04:12] <xf`> yeah heh
[04:12] <i3dmaste1> bob2: I want to see what is inside the initrd
[04:12] <bob2> xf`: if you "pkill esd", that program should work
[04:12] <xf`> esd isn't running
[04:13] <xf`> I'm trying to have it so that two apps can use sound
[04:13] <bob2> i3dmaste1: it's a gziz'd cramfs image, iirc
[04:13] <xf`> i've heard dmix?
[04:13] <bob2> xf`: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm having trouble installing freedroidRPG. when I run ./configure, It says it can't find SDL
[04:13] <i3dmaste1> bob2: I am having problem booting up my system
[04:13] <xf`> bob2: thanks
[04:13] <bob2> i3dmaste1: using hoary?
[04:13] <bob2> djgomez33: just paste it in to #flood
[04:13] <i3dmaste1> bob2: you got it
[04:13] <bob2> matt__: well, "works" is subjective ;)
[04:13] <glick> i just feel more comfortable being able to become root
[04:13] <bob2> i3dmaste1: did you get the broken security update from a few days ago?
[04:13] <i3dmaste1> bob2: so gunzip should unzip it then
[04:13] <doug_gg> hi everybody
[04:14] <bob2> glick: so, 'sudo -s', no need to enable the root account
[04:14] <doug_gg> I am having a dilemma here
[04:14] <doug_gg> please help
[04:14] <bob2> doug_gg: just ask your question
[04:14] <matt__> bob2, mepis detects it automatically and xandros works with ndiswrapper...