[13:55] <Daviey> Who is here for the Server QA session?
[13:58] <pitti> jamespage: is there a hangout slot for me for QA for server seeded pkgs?
[13:58] <jamespage> pitti, yes
[13:59] <jamespage> pm'ed
[13:59] <jibel> pitti, jamespage do you need me too in the hangout?
[13:59] <Daviey> thanks jamespage
[13:59] <jamespage> jibel, please
[14:00] <jibel> joining
[14:02] <zul> am i in the right channel?
[14:03] <jamespage> you are
[14:04] <pitti> Daviey is really hard to understand, is that just me?
[14:04] <pitti> (stuttering sound)
[14:04] <pitti> other folks sound fine
[14:05] <rbasak> Stream is now live.
[14:06] <rbasak> Daviey: please announce that the stream is live and give us a chance to join before you start? Otherwise we always miss the first minute.
[14:06] <Daviey> rbasak: Ok, we started 3 mins late as is. But ok
[14:07] <rbasak> Daviey: it's even worse if it's starting late, because then nobody knows when the start actually is in order to refresh the stream page.
[14:07] <rbasak> (when it says the stream is about to start, it actually doesn't work until the user refreshes the page)
[14:08] <Daviey> pitti: My internal mic in't very good.  Using external now
[14:08] <Daviey> rbasak: ugh, i thought it auto refreshed
[14:09] <rbasak> Daviey: yeah. It doesn't. AIUI, I'm not the only one.
[14:10] <Daviey> rbasak: ok, thanks.
[14:11] <rbasak> Am I the only one struggling to hear pitti? He sounds very muffled.
[14:12] <Daviey> rbasak: he does indeed.
[14:12] <Daviey> not much we can do now.
[14:13] <mahmoh> rbasak: I'm with you, he sounds distant
[14:14] <rbasak> For multi-node, is dep8 in scope?
[14:15] <zul> if you have a question can prefix QUESTION before it thanks
[14:16] <pitti> rbasak: sorry, I have this problem all the time (that and having a terrible lag)
[14:16] <pitti> rbasak: multi-node> not really now; you can of course set up containers in your test if you need to, but that might be too limited
[14:17] <jamespage> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master/files/head:/scripts/
[14:29] <rbasak> I'm sorry, I can't hear pitti. My problem was that both times I tried to write dep8 tests in the last cycle, I couldn't find documentation for this workflow, which I feel is essential to get us writing more tests.
[14:29] <zul> im good
[14:30] <Daviey> rbasak: yolanda is bit of an expert on dep8 now.  She might be able to offer some direction outside this.
[14:31] <rbasak> I also found and filed bug 1175557 as an example of my struggle in writing these tests.
[14:31] <udsbotu> Ubuntu bug 1175557 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "adt-run fulfills dependencies with --built-tree contrary to the manpage" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175557
[14:31] <jamespage> rbasak, pitti indicated that these use cases are already covered - docs and offline ping to resolve
[14:31] <yolanda> rbasak, i have a set of slides that can be useful
[14:31] <yolanda> i can send you
[14:31] <rbasak> Thanks, that'll be useful.
[14:34] <pitti> rbasak: you probably want --no-built-binaries for that
[14:34] <pitti> rbasak: but the wrapper scripts (run-adt-test) already DTRT there
[14:36] <rbasak> pitti: I am looking at adt-run(1) and I still don't understand it. Some documented examples for my workflow would be nice :)
[14:38] <rbasak> plars: could we perhaps standardize on test names for this?
[14:38] <rbasak> --help tests could just be called smoke-help, for example, and then we could easily analyze coverage quality
[14:40] <Daviey> rbasak: well, --help doesn't /always/ make sense.. like sbuild it would probably suck for, as it bounces you to manpage
[14:40] <rbasak> pitti: can I suggest that you type in here? Your mike is really that bad - sorry.
[14:40] <pitti> well, the test names should certainly make sense
[14:40] <pitti> not sure whether we need a global list of test names
[14:40] <rbasak> We could recommend test names for certain types of test
[14:40] <pitti> argh, put the mike into the wrong plug
[14:41] <pitti> I hope it'll be better now
[14:41] <rbasak> I called my facter test that just ran facter and checks one result "smoke"
[14:41] <rbasak> (yet to be uploaded)
[14:42] <rbasak> Daviey: +1
[14:42] <rbasak> details can be sorted out :)
[14:43] <rbasak> pitti: much better. Thanks!
[14:43] <rbasak> (apart from the dropouts :-/
[14:49] <rbasak> How much benefit would we get from doing this more than once per cycle?
[14:50] <rbasak> It would be nice to see some focus on writing dep8 tests at the same time as resolving bugs which might have been detected by them.
[14:52] <pitti> yes, this should be a permanent process of course
[14:54] <rbasak> That makes sense.
[14:54] <rbasak> We can encourage it for server package fixes though, right?
[14:54] <rbasak> (not that we're not already)
[14:54] <Daviey> rbasak: sure
[14:54] <Daviey> encourage.. where possible
[14:54] <jamespage> any other questions?
[14:55] <jamespage> ...
[14:55] <jamespage> ..
[14:55] <jamespage> .
[15:05] <Daviey> Who is here for the fast path install session ?
[15:06] <rbasak> o/
[15:06] <Daviey> rbasak: wanna join the inner circle?
[15:06] <Daviey> starting now
[15:07]  * rbasak gets his mike out
[15:09] <Daviey> anyone else here for this session?
[15:10] <dbarth> do you have a link to the etherpad with instructions? the one i have here is empty
[15:10] <smoser> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-servercloud-r-fastpath-install
[15:11] <dbarth> thanks
[15:11] <dbarth> cool, seeing it now
[15:15] <Daviey> For the person with the biggest headset in the world, it seems to have the most useless mic. :)
[15:15] <Daviey> roaksoax: ^
[15:15] <roaksoax> Daviey: lol not the mic... but the configuration of the machine :)
[15:16] <Daviey> rbasak: Are you joining?
[15:17] <rbasak> Daviey: I can, but I have no comment.
[15:18] <bladernr> what kind of speed improvements have you seen with standing up a machine this way vs traditional installation?
[15:19] <Daviey> bladernr: will add that question after this.
[15:20] <bladernr> Daviey: thank, it's not necessarily topical, just a curiostiy
[15:21] <stokachu_uds> i can see it
[15:22] <Daviey> stokachu_uds: uh?
[15:23] <bladernr> wow, awesome :)
[15:24] <stokachu_uds> what are you verifying
[15:25] <Daviey> stokachu_uds: I'm struggling to fit your comments around context
[15:26] <stokachu_uds> sorry im broken
[15:29] <dbarth> smoser: would you consider an image format similar to the binary system image updates being worked on on the client side?
[15:29] <dbarth> or would that be duplicating the cloud image scheme?
[15:30] <smoser> link?
[15:31] <dbarth> Daviey: right
[15:33] <dbarth> ok
[15:33] <dbarth> right, this may not make that much sense after all
[15:33] <Daviey> dbarth: thanks :)
[15:33] <Daviey> any other qUEsTIONS?
[15:33] <Daviey> err
[15:33] <Daviey> that wasn't 3l33t case
[15:33] <smoser> daviey is always L33t
[15:35] <Daviey> shall we end then?
[15:35] <Daviey> ..
[15:35] <Daviey> .
[15:36] <smoser> end
[15:37] <Daviey> thanks all
[16:05] <Daviey> anyone else here for the saucy/havana charm session here?
[16:05] <Daviey> strating now.
[16:06]  * wedgwood is
[16:11] <wedgwood> adam_g: that's been created lp:charm-helpers
[16:11] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/charm-helpers
[16:17] <wedgwood> sorry had to drop out - getting pulled into another task
[16:20] <jamespage> adam_g, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[17:59] <Daviey> Anyone here for mysql session?
[18:00] <mattgriffin> Daviey: aye
[18:00] <stewart> Daviey, yes, hi!
[18:00] <Daviey> mattgriffin / stewart: hey, can you introduce yourselves ?
[18:01] <Daviey> (starting shortly)
[18:01] <stewart> Daviey, sure. is there going to be a hangout or just IRC?
[18:02] <Daviey> stewart: there is indeed a hangout.
[18:02] <Daviey> stewart: please introduce yourself :)
[18:02]  * stewart is Stewart Smith, Director of Software Architecture at Percona.
[18:03] <Daviey> stewart / mattgriffi: you have invites :)
[18:03] <jdstrand> fyi, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21746/servercloud-s-database-alternatives/ does not have a video feed
[18:03]  * mattgriffin is Matt Griffin, Director of Product Management at Percona.
[18:03] <Daviey> jdstrand: not quitr started, still trying to get the inner cricle people reorganised
[18:03] <SpamapS> o/
[18:03] <zul> jdstrand:  thats ok you dont want to see my ugly face
[18:03] <jdstrand> ok
[18:03] <jdstrand> hehe
[18:05] <Daviey> we are online now
[18:06]  * stewart joined into Hangout
[18:06] <stewart> everyone has a cool title except me :)
[18:06] <adam_g> is there a direct URL for the video feed? not showing up for me embedded
[18:06] <yolanda> also not to me
[18:06]  * jdstrand either
[18:07] <ptl> I can't seem to find anything about Percona Server license. Is it completely GPL?
[18:07] <jdstrand> ah, there it is
[18:07] <yolanda> works now
[18:07] <Daviey> jdstrand: refresh?
[18:07] <Daviey> super
[18:09] <stewart> ptl, yes, 100% GPL
[18:10] <ptl> stewart: thanks
[18:15] <jdstrand> mysql-cluster was yes
[18:15] <jdstrand> it did fall into disrepair
[18:15] <jdstrand> or rather, dis-maintained :)
[18:16]  * jdstrand is talking about its state in Ubuntu, not upstream
[18:18] <Daviey> SpamapS: I wanted to work on Openstack but the entry barier of contrib agreement.. :P
[18:19] <stewart> ptl, (if you could point me to where you were looking for license, i'd love to ensure it's clearer so that a future person like you finds it easily)
[18:24] <Daviey> brb
[18:24] <smoser> this live event is over
[18:24] <smoser> thanks for watching
[18:24] <Daviey> wait
[18:24] <smoser> Daviey, ^
[18:24] <Daviey> zul: explain
[18:25] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-servercloud-s-database-alternatives
[18:25] <zul> Daviey:  uh?
[18:25] <roaksoax> Daviey: the fid died
[18:25] <roaksoax> feed
[18:25] <roaksoax> zul: ^^
[18:25] <yolanda> video lost
[18:25] <jdstrand> yep. reload pulls up the saved feed, not the live one
[18:25] <smoser> boo
[18:25] <ptl> stewart: I went there -> http://www.percona.com/software/percona-server -> couldn't find mention of 'license' in the page, then I went to 'Frequently Asked Questions' and couldn't find it either
[18:26] <stewart> ptl, thanks - i'll go and get someone to fix that
[18:26] <ptl> thanks
[18:26] <zul> feed died
[18:26] <stewart> rbasak, got this when trying to get to the pad "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."
[18:27] <rbasak> stewart: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5668472/ are the questions I asked on the pad
[18:27] <Daviey> back online
[18:27] <Daviey> refresh
[18:28] <rbasak> stewart: I think you may need to go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad and add yourself as a member.
[18:28] <Daviey> Apologies for the interuption, the hangout ended abruptly - and we had to restart.
[18:30]  * stewart trying...
[18:33] <rbasak> zul: are you proposing to drop mysql from main at some point? S? T? Or beyond that?
[18:33] <jdstrand> erf, the feed!!
[18:34] <rbasak> mdeslaur: any implications for multiple upstreams in main?
[18:34] <jdstrand> "We'll be right back"
[18:34] <yolanda> same to me
[18:34] <jamespage> jdstrand, snap
[18:34] <rbasak> Daviey: ^^
[18:34] <jdstrand> it's back now
[18:34] <zul> rbasak:  up coming lts mysql in universe percona or mariadb in main
[18:34] <mdeslaur> rbasak: yes, that would put considerable strain on the security team. Updating mysql is a big process, we wouldn't want to have to do that for more than one of those.
[18:35] <mdeslaur> rbasak: we need to choose and support one.
[18:35] <rbasak> OK, got it and noted in the pad. Thanks.
[18:38] <mdeslaur> rbasak: I think getting a microrelease exception is probably a no-brainer, since we've been pretty much updating versions for security updates anyway
[18:38] <mdeslaur> so it shouldn't be hard to get
[18:41] <SpamapS> last LTS has mysql 5.5 so should be ok for 14.04
[18:43] <jamespage> SpamapS, +1
[18:43] <jamespage> (no main switches this cycle)
[18:47] <rbasak> Daviey: would you mind confirming the work items I proposed and finding people willing to drive each one, please?
[18:47] <rbasak> Looks like you're on it :)
[18:48] <Daviey> rbasak: thanks :)
[18:49] <Daviey> jamespage: wanna join inner circle?
[18:49] <jamespage> Daviey, no - I'm good (you only have 10 mins left)
[18:49] <Daviey> ta
[18:51] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668568/ is the output of apt-rdepends --reverse mysql-server
[18:52] <jdstrand> fyi, we had mysql-cluster-7.0 at one point (it is in universe in 10.04), but it was dropped prior to 12.04
[18:52] <Daviey> AlanBell: thanks, please add it to the etherpad?
[18:52] <rbasak> We have seven minutes left. Can we get some names against the work items, please?
[18:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: more important that we know "what" than "who"
[18:54] <Daviey> stewart: do you have a Launchpad id?
[18:54] <rbasak> SpamapS: sure - I'd like to see some down and complete rather than increasing our scope and not having anyone driving anything though.
[18:54] <stewart> Daviey, launchpad is "stewart" :)
[18:54] <Daviey> easy :)
[18:55] <jamespage> Daviey, I don't thing that is a priority
[18:55] <mdeslaur> uhm, I didn't volunteer for my microrelease exception
[18:55] <jamespage> (mysql-cluster)
[18:56] <Daviey> mdeslaur: Oh sorry, i thought above you did
[18:58]  * nwl waves
[18:58] <jamespage> hey nwl - just wrapping up on mysql alternatives...
[19:00] <ryeng> ok, that looks more like what I thought I heard. :-)
[19:01] <ryeng> yes, please share pain points with us!
[19:02] <stewart> thanks all!
[19:02] <Daviey> thanks all,
[19:02] <rbasak> ryeng: SpamapS is kindly summarising the pain points in the pad. Can you see the pad OK?
[19:02] <jamespage> cheerio
[19:02] <Daviey> mdeslaur: ^
[19:02] <ryeng> yes
[19:03] <Daviey> (Sorry to end abruptly, have another session scheduled)
[19:03] <jamespage> Daviey, sageweil and nwl will need the G+ link for the next session
[19:03] <mdeslaur> ok, looking at it now
[19:03] <scuttlemonkey> should the streaming be up on the /servercloud-s-ceph/ page?
[19:03] <Daviey> jamespage: can you pass it to them please?
[19:04] <Daviey> jamespage: will be 2 mins
[19:04] <jamespage> scuttlemonkey, in a few  minutes - do you want to join the g+ as well?
[19:04] <scuttlemonkey> happy to if you think it's helpful...doubt I'll have much to say on dev matters though
[19:04] <jamespage> scuttlemonkey, sure - well feel free to jump in if you want to.
[19:06] <SpamapS> good notes in the pad :)
[19:06] <scuttlemonkey> jamespage: fair enough
[19:07] <Daviey> Starting shortly
[19:07] <Daviey> anyone else need to be in fish bowl
[19:07] <Daviey> ?
[19:11] <smoser> stream seems paused.
[19:11] <smoser> Daviey, at least for me
[19:11] <Daviey> smoser: trying here
[19:11] <scuttleweb> smoser: seems ok to me, at around 2:00
[19:12] <Daviey> smoser: seems to be working here
[19:12] <smoser> yeah, beter now.
[19:12] <Daviey> smoser: do join the inner circle if you want
[19:16] <Daviey> nwl: Not now, but another time - i'd love to learn how you chaps are going to address the key exchange problem.
[19:18] <scuttleweb> "an error occurred" on video stream for anyone else?
[19:18] <Daviey> scuttleweb: refresh?
[19:19] <scuttleweb> yeah, just kicked it to another window w/ native youtube instead of embed
[19:27] <nwl> http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/01Roadmap/Schedule
[19:33] <dosaboy> what's the state of the ceph-ceploy tool
[19:33] <dosaboy> last time I asked we were between mkcephfs and ceph-deploy
[19:33] <dosaboy> mkcephfs being "broken" and ceph-deploy-deploy "not ready"
[19:33] <dosaboy> ceph-deploy even
[19:33] <dosaboy> my mic is broken
[19:34] <dosaboy> cool thanks
[19:44] <dosaboy> http://ceph.com/docs/master/radosgw/swift/
[19:47] <Daviey> Any other questions?
[19:47] <jamespage> any other questions from channel?
[19:47] <jamespage> ..
[19:47] <jamespage> ...
[19:47] <jamespage> ...
[19:48] <dosaboy> jamespage: seem to remember you mentioning concerns around dependency on fastcgi module in radosgw at last UDS
[19:49] <dosaboy> is that something we should follow up on?
[19:49] <jamespage> dosaboy, yeah -we discussed that
[19:49] <dosaboy> ah :)
[19:49] <dosaboy> my fault for being late


[01:23] <furkan> is anybody else having trouble with their keyboard media keys?
[01:23] <furkan> i'm not sure how to reproduce it, but for the 2nd time now they've stopped working...
[16:52] <MoPac> Hello. I'm trying to test out a live session with unity8-mir-desktop-session in 16.04 (latest image). When I log in as the Unity8 user, I get a system crash with a segfault. Is this expected in a live session?
[16:53] <MoPac> The only other thing "wrong" with the session as far as I can tell is that lvm2 won't configure on update (even though I remounted the root directory as rw), but I don't know if the Mir session depends on that
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: unity8 running fine here on xenial desktop
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: of course in this stage things can break, maybe file a bug for it?
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: its also not the final unity8 yet neither, looks more like the ubuntu touch version right now
[17:12] <MoPac> lotuspsychje : is it likely to be related to the lvm problem?
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: not sure mate, but if it doesnt crash in unity7?
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> !bug | MoPac i would file one in this stage
[17:14] <MoPac> Unity7 seems alright. When I log out and then log into the Unity8 session, the screen just goes black. Dmesg says segfault at 0 ip 00007f7ed7cc500f sp 00007ffc17d965b0 error 4 in libmirclient.so.9[7f7ed7c72000+8c000]
[17:14] <MoPac> I'll report it
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah it be best mate
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: sure you got correct drivers for graphics installed right?
[17:19] <MoPac> lotuspsychje: I mean, I haven't done anything to the graphics stack of the live usb specifically -- just update, dist-upgrade, add the universe/proposed, and install the unity8 session
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> ok mate
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: try the bug and youl see what the devs say
[18:35] <goddard> looks like 16.04 is having issues connecting to hidden networks
[18:35] <goddard> I can add them, but the "connect" button is always disabled
[18:36] <goddard> I always have to sudo iwconfig wlp3s0 essid "SSID NAME"
[18:57] <goddard> Does ubuntu-desktop depend on Nautilus?
[18:57] <teward> goddard: i think it might, you could check the dependencies list
[18:58] <teward> goddard: confirmed, it does:
[18:58] <Daekdroom> I think it's a recommend.
[19:00] <goddard> oh anyone know the reason why?
[19:00] <goddard> i like Dolphin
[19:00] <goddard> is it the trash icon?
[19:00] <goddard> is that the only reason?
[19:00] <Daekdroom> Nevermind. I've checked it and it's a dependency indeed.
[19:01] <Daekdroom> I think uninstalling Nautilus might break the Unity desktop.
[19:02] <goddard> oh like the actual desktop
[19:02] <goddard> like the wall paper or something?
[19:02] <Daekdroom> Yeah. The desktop icons, etc.
[19:02] <goddard> is the new unity going to have this situation?
[19:06] <Daekdroom> No idea. I hope not. I don't think it'd make much sense either, given they're making something new instead of building on top of GNOME.
[19:08] <goddard> Daekdroom: yeah thats cool
[19:08] <goddard> ill look forward to that then


 @Waldbursche, It works fine on mine
 @TomasOqvist, In my case when I try to sync, I get loads of accounts showing up
 I mean duplicate accounts
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/7ZbzX21x.png
 I was shocked to see this in the morning
 But then realized it was a virus
 and that's why OT group exists :)
 Welcome joshim !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 thanks @Bolly
 im using 16.04 dev but can't find an email client in open store
 what does everyone here use for imap email?
 dekko2 is still under dev for xenial
 I think the only option we have for now is using the webapp
 Whitch webapp?
 the web page of your email service provider
 Ah okay. No way for me. I have a number of providers 😅  No problem with 1 device with xenial and 1 device with vivid.
 #Tweetdeck is nice.
 @Waldbursche if you feel adventurous you can try to install Dekko2 vivid package on your xenial device
 Dekko2 vivid is currently installed but don't start
 Oh, sorry then
 i can wait. Ubports guys makes a good job 👍🏼
 That's absolutely right :)
 I've installed Dekko2 on xenial to see what happens and yes, it doesn't work https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wZ6dxJC7QY/
 okay thanks
 Can BrowserNext handle bookmarks currently?
 Nope
 Oh, wait, it seems you need to open a new tab to see the bookmarks
 lol but Gallery has dissapeared on the latest xenial revision 😅
 There are two versions of the Galery app for me. The one from system settings having higher release number - doesn't launch. And the one from OpenStore which works.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/00EjD0qT.png
 @Waldbursche ^
 Close the browser and reopen. The bookmarks are gone... 😅
 You're right, I would have sworn the bookmarks were still there the first time I restarted the browser 😆
 Hi folks. Does anyone know what audio format the built in ring tones and notifications are in?
[12:38] <ubptgbot> hoh61 was added by: hoh61
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 Guys. Any of you know if Kodi can be installed in UT?
 I have seen Kodimote on the store but I understand is just a remote control
 @Marcos, That is a great application of UT on rasp pi.... :)
 I only know oonly know remote also...
 Hmm mm...  @KrisJacewicz ?
 if someone were to bulid a click of it, i'm sure it could be installed
 @wayneoutthere, i think ogg
 That... Is good. I was hoping something like ogg. How about rephrasing question like this: could both ogg and flac be played by UT as ringtones and notifications if they ended up in OS as such?
 i don't recall if flac decoder is installed
 I have played flac on UT before. Quite certain.
 @wayneoutthere, If you can play a file with media player or music player, it would work as a ringtone/notification sound.
 that is a great way to test it if that's true.  and that's reall all i need. thanks!
 I just realized that in file manager, if you press/hold to view the properties of a file, it's all cut off and you can't even see the format of the file (ie. .png, .flac, etc)
 FYI Ogg is confirmed playing just now in audio player so we will call that one 'off the list' and 'working'
 FYI Flac is also confirmed playing right now in media player
 flac is quite large in size, but it does play yes
 well.. not sure why but i just converted an OGG to a FLAC and the file output was nearly identical. in fact it was slightly larger as OGG. but then again, I think I made the OGG at maximum quality... yeah.. That's why...
 @wayneoutthere, the behaviour of the dev file manager may be different
 File Manager (dev branch)
 Welcome @hoh61 & Bianca  !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
 @exar_kun, yeah i feel little need to report bugs until i'm doing so on 16.04 but in case it's a quick/easy fix for someone developing now, there you have it.
 @wayneoutthere, bugs in apps are often not related to the underlying OS version
 good point....  i always forget things like 'file manager' could be considered 'an app' but I guess all 'chunks' of the OS are 'app-like'
 'sub projects' within a larger one, if you will
 it is a separate app, packaged as a click
 Before I issue a bug report for the GPS on Pro 5 (xenial), I just want to check if there is one already. I get "GPE denied" everytime I am asked to give an app permission to access the GPS.
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 Welcome @Trol_lol !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @wayneoutthere, wav is usual
 Or mp3 😂
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/iR0fjirb.png
 finally scrollbars in the browser!
 it looks big though when scaling is small....it's small in normal phone scaling LOL
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[17:51] <ubptgbot> Nicola_No_Tesla was added by: Nicola_No_Tesla
 Hello! I would like to try Ubuntu touch, but I can't find the devices supported list
 @Nicola_No_Tesla, Try this one https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 @Xray2000, That's the old list and I don't know why it's still online. The official one is https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Nicola_No_Tesla see this ^
 @advocatux, Oh i dont know that sorry...
 @Xray2000 no problem, it's not your fault. That page comes and goes, appears and dissapears, it's a nightmare 😆
 @advocatux, Ok i see...
 @advocatux, Thanks!
 👍
 Well my device isn't supported 😆 … Let's see if I can do something without getting a hardbrick … I'll tell you later
 What device is it?
 @Javacookies, I never thought I'd like scrollbars on a phone, because space, but they're actually really great on Ubuntu Touch!
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 @PhoenixLandPirate, well actually I don't like the current scrollbar in the new browser but it's a start :) and yeah I agree, I really like the scrollbar in UT
 @advocatux, Kenzo, Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 pro
 some people is (were?) working on porting Xiaomi Redmi Note 4, Xiaomi Redmi 4X, and Xiaomi Redmi 2/Prime, but no Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 pro afaik https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+redmi
 Welcome Christian !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 In Ubports 15.10 is the 'dev' channel 16.04? Or do I need to reflash for 16.04?
 Thinking of giving 16.04 a bash on my M10 tablet.
 @ronnietucker, Nope, you need to install 16.04. You can do it keeping the previous content on your phone or removing it (wipe option)
 @advocatux, Thanks. I'll maybe give it a shot anyway. I've got nothing to lose on there anyway.
 Yes, it's perfect for testing and reporting bugs 👍
 @advocatux, Is it pretty usable for just web browsing and email stuff?
 It depends, there's a new web browser to try, but there isn't a Dekko2 for xenial yet
 Sounds grand. The current browser reloading pages when tab switching is a nuisance.
 @advocatux, How do I get the new browser? I've installed 16.04 and I still have the old one reloading tabs on switching.
 it's called WebBrowser Next, you can install it using the OpenStore app
 https://open-store.io/app/com.ubports.browserng
 That was my next question: OpenStore has no images or apps listed...
 What UT version is running on your phone? What OpenStore version?
 16.04 (r92)
 and the OpenStore version?
 Um... I load it up and look at which version is installed and it says its not compatible with my system. Installed version: none
 That's weird, can you type this on the terminal `click list | grep openstore` ?
 Anyway, if you don't have OpenStore installed on your phone, download the xenial version from here https://open-store.io/app/openstore.openstore-team
 and install it using the terminal `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted path_to_the_openstore.click`
 openstore.openstore-team       2.40
 That's the latest
 try and install it anyway?
 Maybe... I don't know why your installed one isn't working
 @ronnietucker can you see any update waiting to be install on your phone?
 Aw man. Solitaire is wonky too! It's the end of the world!  😄
 lol
 No updates
 At least Sudoku works...
 Neither on OpenStore nor System Settings > Updates?
 BTW there's an issue with Gallery app now
 Yeah the Gallery app doesn't open
 With E4.5 no. :(
 @ronnietucker, https://github.com/ubports/gallery-app/issues/65
 Any app I pick in OpenStore has screenshots, but no info
 Did you do an upgrade or a fresh install?
 Pulling down doesn't refresh anything
 Fresh install of 16.04
 didn't wipe though (if that makes any difference)
 then maybe you have a cache problem. Delete the OpenStore cache and see if that's enough to solve your problem
 Is that through the file manager, or is there a menu for that?
 The easier way is using UT Tweak Tool
 of course you can use the file manager or the terminal too
 device/cache has /blobs /lost+found /recovery and a file called device-build
 No, it's in `.cache` what are you using to look for that?
 sorry, using file manager
 You have to check "show hidden files"
 got it, but even unlocking file manager won't let me delete it. I think it'll need Terminal
 you need to slide the file to the right
 and press the trashcan
 still no difference.   😐
 (to OpenStore)
 deleted both openstore cache folders. Opening OpenStore recreates them both
 Does your phone have a good Internet connection?
 Yep. Full wifi connection. YouTube app plays videos no problem.
 Hmm I don't know why your OpenStore isn't working. I'll try to get help. Wait a sec
 Tried uninstalling Solitaire and it uninstalled fine by holding on the icon and uninstalling.
 I've asked some people that could know how to fix your issue. Let's see
 In the meanwhile, can you delete the OpenStore cache again and reboot your phone?
 OK. Restarting...
 Ahhh!
 Nope. Still the same.  😄
 Oh
 There's no rush on this. I'm just tinkering with it.
 Right, but now I want to know why it doesn't work as intended :)
 Well, first: I'm a jinx  😄
 😂
 I don't know if I could ask it here, but is there any FOSS alternatives for verdana?
 That's the best attribute to be a beta-tester
 @rezybleezx not really (maybe DejaVu Sans)
 Thank you and sorry for the trouble :)
 np
 @ronnietucker the wiser voice told me "re-install the app again" :)
 @advocatux, using the command you mentioned earlier?
 Yes
 what's the URL to the app?
 Fwd from advocatux: Anyway, if you don't have OpenStore installed on your phone, download the xenial version from here https://open-store.io/app/openstore.openstore-team
 Fwd from advocatux: and install it using the terminal `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted path_to_the_openstore.click`
 do I download it to the tablet, or use that URL?
 You need to download that app to your tablet using that URL :)
 and then run that command on your phone terminal
 I have to leave for 30 minutes or so. I'll be back
 No rush. I'm about to head off to bed, so if I'll let you know how it goes.
 Thanks for all the help!
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/VxCXeqhr.png Tried the command and got this error.
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/9R2Az0py.png Even tried it with a SUDO for good measure.
 @ronnietucker : did you try to reboot your device? surprisingly it helped for different issues, even for a lost open store. "https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/663"


[07:06] <didrocks> good morning
[07:22] <duflu> Oops, hi didrocks
[07:22] <duflu> And with that, afk
[07:25] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:03] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:03] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you? ready for the w.e?
[08:04] <duflu> seb128, I sense summer will start properly soon despite wearing a hoodie most of the day. Yeah, preparing for gardening and Xmas. You?
[08:05] <seb128> I'm ok, slept a bit longer which is nice, let's see if that helps to kick the butt of that cold which is still annoying me
[08:05] <duflu> Maybe sleep some more
[08:05] <duflu> As with most treatments, keep going past when you think you're better
[08:27] <seb128> k, I'm dropping offline for a bit, going to a coworking place with some GNOME guys today
[08:47] <seb128> (stop on the way to get coffee ;)
[08:47] <duflu> I forget what linux.org used to link to, but it looks hijacked
[08:48] <duflu> Maybe they own it. Don't know
[08:49] <duflu> Just a thinko when I meant to go to kernel.org
[09:02] <Laney> hey, happy friday!
[09:03] <duflu> Hi hi Laney
[09:03] <duflu> Laney
[09:03] <Laney> Laney
[09:04] <Laney> what's up duflu duflu
[09:05] <Laney> just cycled to the shops in a storm
[09:05] <Laney> moist sox
[09:05] <duflu> Laney, going round in circles with prexisting upstream MRs, but I am determined to not work into Friday night this time
[09:06] <Laney> rebasing fun?
[09:06] <Laney> review fun?
[09:06] <duflu> Rebasing, fixing, rewording
[09:08] <Laney> 😓
[09:08] <Laney> fearnon seems to be a bit more active lately
[09:22] <andyrock> good morning!
[09:22] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:22] <duflu> Argh
[09:22] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[09:23] <duflu> Laney, can we backport the fix for bug 1774957 to bionic?
[09:26] <Laney> duflu: I should think so - are you up for submitting it?
[09:26] <Laney> ideally a cherry-pick MR
[09:27] <duflu> Laney, I was speaking hypothetically. It doesn't affect me and I am finishing up for the week. Just accepting the nomination would be good thanks
[09:28] <Laney> then it'll need an assignee
[09:28] <Laney> Actually this is in 3.28 so what we really want is a release
[09:40] <seb128> hey again desktop, from the co-working space
[09:44] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:44] <Laney> who's with you this time?
[09:46] <seb128> Laney, hey! Hans, Carlos and Mark/Patrick from rh who I don't know/I don't think do GNOME
[09:48] <Laney> ahhh outnumbered
[09:48] <seb128> :)
[09:48] <Laney> is carlos in .nl?
[09:48] <seb128> yeah, he's living in Leiden for a few years
[09:49] <seb128> apparently Spain is too hot in summer or something :)
[09:50] <Laney> heheh
[10:47] <andyrock> seb128: have you asked Carlos about osk on xorg?
[10:48] <seb128> andyrock, hey, not yet, I wanted to check with your first what issues we still had on our list and their status
[10:48] <seb128> like waiting for code reviews, input, other
[10:48] <seb128> can you make a summary for me? ;)
[10:48] <andyrock> yep I'll send you an email :)
[10:49] <seb128> thx
[11:07] <andyrock> seb128: done!
[11:08] <seb128> andyrock, thx
[11:39]  * Laney stares at libreoffice
[11:59] <seb128> the build issue?
[11:59] <Laney> ye
[11:59] <seb128> that one doesn't make any sense to me (at least from the log, I didn't do any poking)
[12:01] <Laney> checking for explicit CFLAGS... -g1 -O3 -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map=/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security
[12:02] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/tree/patches/debian-opt.diff?h=ubuntu-disco-6.1
[12:03] <Laney> echo laney@nightingecho '-g1 -O3 -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map=/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security' | grep -E -o '\-O[0-3]'                                                                      ~
[12:03] <Laney> -O3
[12:03] <Laney> -O2
[12:03] <Laney> that patch doesn't handle multiple -O in CFLAGS
[12:03] <seb128> did the toolchain changed recently?
[12:03] <Laney> dunno
[12:03] <seb128> it built a few days ago
[12:03] <Laney> just analysed the actual bug
[12:03] <seb128> k
[12:04] <Laney> previous build didn't have -O3 -O2 there but I don't know where that comes from yet
[12:05] <Laney> ah yeah from dpkg
[12:05] <Laney> this seems wrong
[12:07] <Laney> (dpkg-buildflags)
[12:11] <Laney> new dpkg broke this
[12:17] <Laney> https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/commit/?id=d5374bc618310917557daa9c9ac2f4930515a0b2
[16:03] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, I failed the fontconfig SRU over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1803534/comments/12
[16:03] <kenvandine> seb128: ok, thanks
[16:03] <kenvandine> i'm actually looking at that right now
[16:05] <kenvandine> seb128: i think that issue in the SRU occurs in cosmic
[16:05] <kenvandine> so we backported some bug... i think
[16:05] <kenvandine> firefox has been causing me lots of grief for a while now, and it looks like the same thing as reported in the SRU verification
[16:05] <kenvandine> i think it's been going on since i upgraded to cosmic
[16:05] <seb128> kenvandine, it's possible, my comment was the missing symbol/invalid depends though
[16:06] <kenvandine> ah... well there was a potential regression reported
[16:06] <seb128> I know, I hit the depends issue while trying to reproduce the cpu one :p
[16:06] <kenvandine> missing symbol... that's surprising
[16:07] <kenvandine> i don't recall lintian complainging
[16:07] <seb128> well, it went away when I installed libfontconfig1 from proposed
[16:07] <seb128> but fontconfig should depends on the new version if it needs it
[16:07] <kenvandine> yeah, that makes sense
[16:07] <seb128> e.g "sudo apt install fontconfig" should have pulled in the lib
[16:07] <seb128> rather than failing in postinst and letting my dpkg angry
[16:08] <kenvandine> the cpu one doesn't happen right away, in my experience
[16:08] <kenvandine> but it seems every couple days i have to kill firefox
[16:08] <seb128> I can trigger it directly with what the user described
[16:08] <seb128> log in
[16:08] <seb128> start firefox
[16:08] <seb128> sudo synaptic
[16:08] <seb128> I've 2 Web Content process fighting for cpu
[16:09] <kenvandine> firefox snap or deb?
[16:09] <seb128> I can't even use the machine
[16:09] <seb128> deb
[16:09] <seb128> standard install, it's a test machine pretty much stock install
[16:09] <kenvandine> the Web Content process pegging the cpu is what i see and i suspect it's related to some apt update happening
[16:09] <seb128> well in my case it's not apt
[16:09] <seb128> I started a new session
[16:10] <seb128> sudo synaptic is enough
[16:10] <seb128> firefox is looping in futex and opening fonts
[16:11] <kenvandine> i installed synapitc a bit ago, will test that scenario as soon as a build i have going finishes :)
[16:11] <seb128> it stops when I close synaptic
[16:11] <kenvandine> interesting
[16:12] <kenvandine> i thought it might be something triggering a cache refresh
[16:12] <seb128> could be
[16:13]  * kenvandine decides not to wait
[16:13] <kenvandine> oh sigh... can't run sudo synaptic on wayland :(
[16:13] <kenvandine> (synaptic:10712): Gtk-WARNING **: 11:11:09.968: cannot open display: :0
[16:14] <seb128> kenvandine, it looks like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909818
[16:14] <seb128> which is https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/fontconfig/commit/5f12f564
[16:15] <seb128> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909818#90 has details
[16:25] <kenvandine> seb128: i had the SRU version built and installed on cosmic and can reproduce the problem
[16:26] <kenvandine> but downgrading to cosmic version it's fine
[16:26] <kenvandine> so yeah, we backported that bug :)
[16:26] <kenvandine> i wonder what synaptic is doing to trigger that
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, it's not synaptic, sudo gedit does the same, I guess it's gtk under sudo
[16:32] <kenvandine> weird
[16:38] <kenvandine> seb128: i'll add the depends and patch to fix that issue
[16:39] <seb128> great
[16:40] <Laney> bumping the shlibs version in d/control is probably the correct way to do that
[16:40] <Laney> rules*
[16:41] <kenvandine> Laney: yeah
[16:41] <kenvandine> that makes more sense :)
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, didrocks, do you know if hw-detect is using in ubiquity? wondering if https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/hw-detect/merge_requests/2/diffs would work for ubiquity as well or only d-i
[16:48] <gitbot> Debian Installer issue (Merge request) 2 in hw-detect "hw-detect.sh: install open-vm-tools when running under VMware Virtual Platform" [Opened]
[16:48] <didrocks> there is something with probert, but not the same one used in subiquity
[16:49] <seb128> well that's a Debian PR, so d-i, not subiquity
[16:49] <seb128> I just wonder if that would give us the package install working for free on ubiquity as from today as well
[16:49] <didrocks> yep, ubiquity uses hd-detect
[16:49] <seb128> thx
[16:49] <didrocks> to load firmwares and such
[16:49] <didrocks> unsure if this uses package install though
[16:50] <seb128> right, I saw it was writting the modprobe etc but I'm unsure if the package install would apply
[16:50] <seb128> thx for replying didrocks :)
[16:51] <didrocks> yw! I wonder how much this is interesting for this installer though, as the new one won't use d-i as per spec
[16:56] <Laney> I'm not sure without testing, sorry
[16:58] <Laney> xnox or cyphermox might though
[16:58] <Laney> open-vm-tools would need to be seeded of course
[17:05] <seb128> right
[17:05] <seb128> thx didrocks Laney
[17:05] <seb128> k, enough co-working, time to 'commute' back :) have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:05] <willcooke> see you seb128
[17:05] <Laney> bye!!!
[17:06] <cyphermox> moo?
[17:06] <cyphermox> good weekend seb128
[17:06] <seb128> thx, you too guys!
[17:06] <Laney> cyphermox: that merge proposal seb128 linked, would it work on ubiquity if opem-vm-tools was seeded or do we not run that bit of hw-detect there?
[17:07] <cyphermox> we don't run hw-detect I think
[17:07] <cyphermox> but if it's seeded, it should just work
[17:08] <Laney> it'd be in the pool or something I guess
[17:08] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:08] <cyphermox> well, seeded it will be on the rootfs
[17:08] <cyphermox> actually installed, as opposed to being on the pool on the CD
[17:09] <cyphermox> unless you want to seed it in live-share or something, but why
[17:10] <Laney> so it can be conditionally installed
[17:10] <Laney> like that MR does
[17:11] <Laney> live seed probably
[17:11] <Laney> so indeed not pool
[18:04] <willcooke> night all


[05:33] <pleia2> slow news week
[15:39] <PaulW2U> Just added a few links to the prep doc but yes not much to report on this week
[18:52] <pleia2> adding belkinsa's latest interview to the fridge
[18:56] <pleia2> (no cross-posting to fridge, since her blog post is already there)
[18:56] <pleia2> err s/fridge/planet
[21:41] <pleia2> jose: I'm out for the weekend, if you don't get to sunday stuff (stats, move over to wiki) on sunday, I'll do it monday morning
[21:41] <pleia2> already sent off the document to the summary writers
[21:54] <jose> pleia2: don't worry, I'll take care of it :)
[21:55] <jose> you enjoy your time off
[21:56] <pleia2> thanks <3
[21:56] <pleia2> much needed :)


[00:03] <ubptgbot> Sushy was added by: Sushy
 Is there a halium kernel for OnePlus 7T Pro?
 I have no idea how to patch a kernel lol
[03:00] <ubptgbot> hankwei was added by: hankwei
 @hankwei [hankwei was added by: dohbee], interesting display name, that
 indeed
[03:19] <ubptgbot> Justin was added by: Justin
 @mrcyjanek [Why is this always empty for me -.-], You maybe turned it off in security settings?
[07:12] <ubptgbot> jusabmovar Yakubu was added by: jusabmovar Yakubu
 @Flohack [You maybe turned it off in security settings?], I have turned it off and then it is not visible at all. No circle.
 Hummm
 @Danfro [I have turned it off and then it is not visible at all. No circle.], Yeah
 Same with me
[08:33] <ubptgbot> Dylan Gundberg was added by: Dylan Gundberg
[08:34] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Hi everyone! Just got my first taste of Ubuntu Touch via the PinePhone and am really excited to help in any way I can and learn along the way!
[08:38] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> @Danfro I only started seeing things in the circle after sending text messages. Has it done the same for you at any point?
 is there a ut twitter client
 @amyosx [is there a ut twitter client], Only a web app, works quite well though
 would anyone want a native client?
 i have api keys to dev with
[08:45] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> I would love to see it personally!
 @Dylan Gundberg [I would love to see it personally!], same!
 @Danfro [I have turned it off and then it is not visible at all. No circle.], how do you disable it?
 @aviwad [how do you disable it?], Go to system settings, privacy and security. There is a switch.
 @Dylan Gundberg [@Danfro I only started seeing things in the circle after sending text messages. …], I've sent text messages too and it is still empty :/
 I dont even know at which logs i should look
[09:30] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Does anyone have experience with the Nexus 5 version ob UBt?
[09:30] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> of*
 Do someone else have problems with the music application not running when phone is locked?
[09:41] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> I'll go test that right now3
 @Shakendo, could you take a look at this post on the forum:  … https://forums.ubports.com/post/35818 … Maybe you have some.insight you can contribute? Seems like the OP has had a bad experience requesting help in the Halium channel
 @Dylan Gundberg [I'll go test that right now3], Also, music does not stop when headphones are unplugged
 @Dylan Gundberg [Does anyone have experience with the Nexus 5 version ob UBt?], Yes, I have a nexus, ubuntu touch works well on it.
 @gnugarro [Do someone else have problems with the music application not running when phone …], I see there is also a comment in the OpenStore dated 15/06/20 about this problem
[09:52] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> @gnugarro [I see there is also a comment in the OpenStore dated 15/06/20 about this problem], Music is running while locked, at least on my PinePhone CE
 I'm a furry
 @Dylan Gundberg [Music is running while locked, at least on my PinePhone CE], 👍
 What channel?
[09:53] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> That's just running through the speaker
[09:53] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Headphones do not work at all as far as I'm concerned
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> At least on the PinePhone
 Ok
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> @vtsoft How smooth is the overall experience? In terms of performance at least?
 @Dylan Gundberg [@vtsoft How smooth is the overall experience? In terms of performance at least?], It works quite smoothly, but the nexus 5 is not powerful enough for 2020, so ubuntu touch can sometimes lag.
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> I am very interested in getting it running on a device like the LG V30, something a bit more powerful but not something super expensive to invest in. @vtsoft Would you say it is worth purchasing a Nexus 5 for? I am wanting to tinker but would it be worth it if I already have the PinePhone to mess around with?
 Well, android and sailfish os work worse.
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Eh, Sailfish hasn't exactly been in the cards for me to try
 @Dylan Gundberg [I am very interested in getting it running on a device like the LG V30, somethin …], I bought used nexus 5 with broken cellular module for $40... If you want  to buy a powerful device for everyday use look at OnePlus 3/3T or other devices listed at devices.ubuntu-touch.io. Pinephone seems to be slower than nexus5, but it s
[10:09] <ubptgbot> hould have better mobile OSes support in the future.
[10:10] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Yeah it definitely is slower now at least. I was thinking that would be due to needing to wait until the software becomes better optimized for the hardware, but yeah I would like to go check out the 3T as well
[10:11] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Thanks!
 @Shakendo Thanks!
 Hello, on "turbo" I ran into a problem, channels "rc, devel, and edge" lead to boorloop
 [Edit] Hello, on "turbo" I ran into a problem, channels "rc, devel, and edge" lead to bootloop
 @gnugarro [Do someone else have problems with the music application not running when phone …], Yul
 Yup
 I guess that it is problem with deep sleep
 For me it works fine when headphones are connected or when phone is charging
[10:29] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> I should probably give it another go
[10:29] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> My phone was charging
 Hello ! Has the bug with camera been fixed on Xperia X ? Whenever it's the case, is there any HOWTO about the fix ?
 @mrcyjanek [I guess that it is problem with deep sleep], I see. uRadio seems to work fine though
 try reinstalling the music application, it helped me
 @Jaymz665 [try reinstalling the music application, it helped me], Mh, it did not help in my case...
 Should I reboot or something?
[11:31] <ubptgbot> Rebecca58 was added by: Rebecca58
 Hey there, I'm just on the Ubports website. i would love the improve the French translation as it is not complete. 😉
 @Rebecca58 [Hey there, I'm just on the Ubports website. i would love the improve the French …], It's here :) https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports-website/ubports-com/
 but maybe ask in the french translation group :)
 @Rebecca58 [Hey there, I'm just on the Ubports website. i would love the improve the French …], Hi Rebecca. … I'm not sure if it is a problem with website or with translations. … Maybe you'll can can get help also on French group. … https://t.me/UBports_French
 The website itself. I was surfing on it and actually i realized it was switching from English into French all the time.
 I found this community indeed, Ubsport translation, but the thing is most of it is already done in French... 99%
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/mIiT2HDZ.png
 for instance, here: you have a few elements in French, and others in English
 Oh, I just found where to suggest translations for the website! Great!!
 It's just a bit fuzzy for me to understand how these platforms really work to contribute
 the website seems to be updated so I can't add anything
[11:50] <ubptgbot> HARSH | Wolfs.Group| Greta was added by: HARSH | Wolfs.Group| Greta
 Gents,  … Could you recommend a password manager that can fill-in login details in Morph browser?
 @Rebecca58 [the website seems to be updated so I can't add anything], It's more a problem of bidirectional synchronisation between the websites and weblate.ubports.com. There is no string to translate on weblate but on the websites, the translations are incomplete.
 @Rebecca58 [the website seems to be updated so I can't add anything], [Edit] It's more a problem of bidirectional synchronisation between the websites and translate.ubports.com. There is no string to translate on weblate but on the websites, the translations are incomplete.
 @Rebecca58 [the website seems to be updated so I can't add anything], [Edit] It's more a problem of bidirectional synchronisation between the websites and translate.ubports.com (weblate translation site). There is no string to translate on weblate but on the websites, the translations are incomplete.
 @Rebecca58 [the website seems to be updated so I can't add anything], [Edit] It's more a problem of bidirectional synchronisation between the websites and translate.ubports.com (weblate translation site). There is no string to translate on weblate (for french) but on the websites, the translations are incomplete.
[12:26] <ubptgbot> <    > Hi, the Meizu pro 5 "Devel" update broke it
[12:29] <ubptgbot> <    > Just to warn you, have a nice day
[12:53] <ubptgbot> <iv i> Hi everyone, I LOVE my Ubuntu phone, BIG thank you for everybody involved!! I'm not a pro....just self-taught hobbyist. Is there a way to listen music from the USB (instead of the 3.5mm jack) through a DAC amp on OnePlus One or 3T ?
[13:17] <ubptgbot> <Heart Плотников> https://www.linkpicture.com/q/1с-15.png
 Woah, I am going to get a Nexus 5 and install ubuntu touch on it! It rocks!
[13:21] <ubptgbot> David was added by: David
 I have a shiny new pinephone running ubtouch. The music player is having trouble with some of my MP3s. How can I get some logs from the Music app?
 Or is there a better channel for ubuntu touch support?
 I can't give you tips right now because I haven't received my phone yet.
 @David [I have a shiny new pinephone running ubtouch. The music player is having trouble …], There's an app for that
 @gnugarro [Do someone else have problems with the music application not running when phone …], That issue is known. It should be fixed in devel channel already.
 @David [I have a shiny new pinephone running ubtouch. The music player is having trouble …], And you can join @utonpine for PinePhone related questions and answers.
 Logviewer app is your friend for finding logs.
 right, got that now. Is it just a front end for the systemd journal, or something specific to ubuntu touch?
[13:57] <ubptgbot> Frédéric SIEBERT was added by: Frédéric SIEBERT
[14:01] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> Hey everyone. I've just order (ebay) a nexus 5 for try ubports. I hope this can be a good alternative to other os. Does this os continue to be update?
[14:17] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Frédéric SIEBERT [Hey everyone. I've just order (ebay) a nexus 5 for try ubports. I hope this can …], For sure! UBports project is more active than ever. Currently stable version is nb 12 (OTA 12). Next one will be OTA 13 and should be released in next August / September or so...
 @Frédéric SIEBERT [Hey everyone. I've just order (ebay) a nexus 5 for try ubports. I hope this can …], I am in exactly the same situation. I also ordered a Nexus 5.
 @Steve Kueffer [For sure! UBports project is more active than ever. Currently stable version is …], do these versions not depend on the Android version? For instance for android 5 I can install such, and with android 8, I can install another one
[14:21] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> Thank you. Good news! Since I've seen the apps developpement's possibilities (qml python || c++) on ubports I want absolutely try it!
 Same for me, I'm so excited to get a Linux home, and no more google stuff
[14:23] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> @Rebecca58 [Same for me, I'm so excited to get a Linux home, and no more google stuff], Exactly the same.
[14:29] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Nexus 5 runs pretty well on Ubuntu Touch. Personally I do use it as my second phone since a few features are still missing yet from my personal needs (WiFi calling / WiFi printing / Anbox easier integration) but OS is improving really nicely and community is absolutely great! 👍
[14:47] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> How would I go about installing schedutil governor on ubtouch?
[15:01] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> And allowing myself to use sud apt update
[15:02] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Sudo*
 using `apt` isn't supported in UT … rootfs is mounted as read-only because it uses OTA updates … to `apt`, it's recommended to user Libertine.
[15:06] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Ohhh gotcha. Could i use this to acquire schedutil?
 probably, but what is it? I'm not familiar with it
[15:07] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Ive seen it suggested on the pinephone reddit to tinker with the cpu as to get better battery life
[15:08] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> Was thinking of giving it a whirl but never found a way to actually get it lol
[15:10] <ubptgbot> Ahmet Emin Ayar was added by: Ahmet Emin Ayar
 @Steve Kueffer [Nexus 5 runs pretty well on Ubuntu Touch. Personally I do use it as my second ph …], Can you please tell me if we can use tethering? Because I usually use my phone to give a connection to my computer, and I hope to be able to do that with ubtouch
 If you
 @Rebecca58 [Can you please tell me if we can use tethering? Because I usually use my phone t …], You can set up a wifi hotspot in wifi settings. Maybe that is sufficient?
 @Rebecca58 [Can you please tell me if we can use tethering? Because I usually use my phone t …], you can also turn on USB tethering in the tweak tool
 WIf your phone is in wifi you connect by ssh.
 [Edit] WIth your phone is in wifi you connect by ssh.
 [Edit] If your phone is in wifi you connect by ssh.
 [Edit] If your phone is in wifi you can connect by ssh.
 @Rebecca58 [Can you please tell me if we can use tethering? Because I usually use my phone t …], Sure, I use my N5 every day in that way.
 @dohbee [pinephone?], The circle works on the pinephone
 @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], Circle works fine on CE devel.
[18:38] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> Hi there, I think UT is great, I really ❤❤ it, but it misses encryption of the data on the phone . I think this is a serious issue because phones can be lost / get stolen easier than laptops....
[18:39] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> Anybody knows if there's any progress on this?
 @Federica Galli [Anybody knows if there's any progress on this?], Actually not supported yet
 @Federica Galli [Anybody knows if there's any progress on this?], [Edit] Actually not fully supported yet
[18:49] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @ScardracS [Actually not fully supported yet], i read in a forum how to encrypt the home directory, but at least i would like to encrypt my contacts...
[19:31] <ubptgbot> <Robin G> What is the name of the virtual keyboard used in UT? Wikipedia says it's based on Maliit. Is that still true?
 @Robin G [What is the name of the virtual keyboard used in UT? Wikipedia says it's based o …], Yes it is
 @Pascal [Circle works fine on CE devel.], Well, I'll check that sometime
 @Federica Galli [i read in a forum how to encrypt the home directory, but at least i would like t …], Contacts are stored in the directory /home/phablet/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system/. So, if you manage to encrypt the home directory, contacts will be encrypted.
[20:38] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/h8iFcSgD.webp
[20:38] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> @libremax [Contacts are stored in the directory /home/phablet/.local/share/evolution/addres …], 👍
[22:13] <ubptgbot> OSAMA Nisar was added by: OSAMA Nisar
 @Federica Galli [Hi there, I think UT is great, I really ❤❤ it, but it misses encryption of the d …], Agree
[23:50] <ubptgbot> LostVX was added by: LostVX


[02:03] <sala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wA69A1_k7I
[22:14] <studio-user212> Hello
[22:16] <studio-user212> Ardour 5 is available in this repositorie?
[22:36] <krytarik> studio-user212: It will be 1.) in the upcoming 16.10, 2.) maybe backported to older releases later.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> krytarik: one hopes 5.3 gets the backport
[23:34] <Unit193> Backports is pretty slow since there's few backporters.  You'd also have to specifically install it from backports too.


[00:53] <Brian_H_> bkerensa:  you have the dell 15z  right?
[00:58] <bkerensa> 14z
[00:58] <bkerensa> :D
[00:58] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Why did you get one?
[00:58] <Brian_H_> no not yet, one of our guys got the 15z and the headphones don't work :(
[00:58] <Brian_H_> this is on oneiric so its kinda dissapointing :(
[00:59] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Yep
[00:59] <bkerensa> :D
[00:59] <bkerensa> LOL
[00:59] <bkerensa> There is a reason for that
[00:59] <Brian_H_> any mad hax to fix it?
[00:59] <bkerensa> LOL
[00:59] <bkerensa> Yes
[00:59] <Brian_H_> feel like dropping some pro tips ?
[00:59] <bkerensa> let me search the archives in my brain and remember how I sorted that
[01:00] <Brian_H_> lol
[01:00] <bkerensa> ok
[01:00] <bkerensa> so
[01:00] <Brian_H_> I'm thinking passing something in alsa-base.conf
[01:00] <Brian_H_> just not sure what
[01:00] <bkerensa> Exactly
[01:00] <bkerensa> let me remember it should be the same
[01:00] <bkerensa> so let me check mine
[01:00] <Brian_H_> f yea :D
[01:01] <bkerensa> Brian_H
[01:01] <bkerensa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[01:01] <bkerensa> but let me grab mine
[01:02] <Brian_H_> holy crap
[01:02] <Brian_H_> lol
[01:03] <bkerensa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/768526/
[01:03] <bkerensa> thats what my alsa-base looks like
[01:04] <Brian_H_> diffing now
[01:04] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Has he had a look at alsamixer
[01:04] <Brian_H_> thanks for the links :)
[01:04] <bkerensa> Yeah
[01:05] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Please if you remember which step it is let me know
[01:05] <bkerensa> so that I can jot that down somewhere
[01:05] <Brian_H_> nope its the exact same :(
[01:05] <bkerensa> because each time I format I have to repeat that step but I forget which one does the magic trick
[01:05] <bkerensa> ok
[01:05] <bkerensa> uhh
[01:05] <bkerensa> try this
[01:05] <bkerensa> enable propose repos
[01:05] <bkerensa> and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:06] <bkerensa> I think it pulls a newer package
[01:06] <Brian_H_> alsa or pulse?
[01:06] <Brian_H_> gotta have some constraint as we need the laptop to work :p
[01:08] <bkerensa> Brian_H: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469949
[01:08] <bkerensa> try that also
[01:08] <bkerensa> alsa would be the issue
[01:09] <Brian_H_> ok going to try fix
[01:09] <Brian_H_> I'll report back :
[01:09] <Brian_H_> :)
[01:12] <bkerensa> k
[01:16] <Brian_H_> ok well it seems that adding his user to the audio group fixed it
[01:17] <Brian_H_> this cached credentials stuff its tricky
[01:22] <bkerensa> odd
[01:22] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Considered poss reporting as a bug?
[01:23] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Saw your friend Shawn last night
[01:23] <bkerensa> :D
[01:24] <Brian_H_> its not a bug though :/  we do ldap+cached credentials
[01:24] <Brian_H_> so the users not by default added to the local system grpus
[01:24] <Brian_H_> which is probably by design
[01:25] <Brian_H_> our system is not really a cookie cutter setup
[01:25] <bkerensa> ahh :)
[01:25] <bkerensa> Yeah saw Shawn and corp party last night.... he said he wants to come to future stuff they apparently had to pull a 58 hour straight migration on the global jam
[01:26] <Brian_H_> damn doesn't sound very well planned :p
[01:30] <bkerensa> heh
[02:28] <Brian_H_> bkerensa: do you have a nvidia card in your laptop?
[02:43] <bkerensa> Brian_H: I think mine is the stock Intel GPU unfortunately
[02:43] <Brian_H_> ahhh well thats better for you :p they are doing some hybrid graphics sharing crap now :/
[02:43] <Brian_H_> though I was getting nvidia, but I got some balanced junk
[02:51] <bkerensa> heh
[02:52] <bkerensa> Brian_H: You ever use Kickstarter before? I just backed a Linux Game project on there today
[04:44] <c_smith> hello
[07:11] <bkerensa> Man I love this SME Multi-Cloud
[07:11] <bkerensa> :D
[07:12] <bkerensa> hi c_smith
[16:17]  * bkerensa slaps thefinn93 around a bit with a large trout


[01:19] <kirillow> is there a download of a release with kernel 4.10.1?
[01:21] <tsimonq2> kirillow: Yes, the latest development release has kernel 4.10 in it
[01:21] <tsimonq2> kirillow: They manually apply the patches for 4.10.*
[01:21] <kirillow> thanks!
[01:22] <tsimonq2> kirillow: np :)


[00:03] <giacomo1992> hello, is it possible to install ubuntu touch on a huawei smartphone ?
[00:16] <zhuowei> The new BQ Aquaris 10 tablet uses a 64-bit chip; are the changes required to use a 64-bit Android BSP publically available?
[01:23] <zhuowei> I'm interested in porting Ubuntu Touch to the Nexus 6P, which is 64-bit; I saw that in September there were discussions on supporting 64-bit devices; has that been added yet?
[03:00] <Faryshta> hi, has anyone installed ubuntu phone on xperia z1?
[05:44] <Hipe9> What devices is it possible to install ubuntu touch on?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Hipe9
[05:45] <ubot5`> Hipe9: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Hipe9: you can buy devices with ubuntu touch on also, like BQ
[05:46] <Hipe9> Mmm
[05:46] <Hipe9> noticed lenovo is impossible
[05:47] <Hipe9> O well.
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!   I leave. Bye
[10:39] <Smurphy> :}
[10:39] <tathhu_> Awesome.
[10:43] <EdwardMorbius> I am still waiting patiently though >:D
[10:46] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, not really, apart from "it will be a wonderful and bright future" :)
[10:47] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ oh :( I hoped to write an article about Snappy on a local Linux portal, even if it is only conceptual, I know a few things that were said before about it but not enough for an article.
[10:47] <EdwardMorbius> but I hope for that bright future :D
[10:47] <ogra_> snappy is a completely new type of distro setup (beyond being a packaging tool, a config tool for packages and an install variant) ... it still didnt realloy grow into the graphical area yet
[10:48] <MCMiic> What is Snappy?
[10:48] <ogra_> snappy is a completely new type of distro setup (beyond being a packaging tool, a config tool for packages and an install variant) ... it still didnt realloy grow into the graphical area yet
[10:48] <ogra_> :P
[10:48] <EdwardMorbius> I am guessing phones will get to Snappy faster than desktop right
[10:48] <MCMiic> :-)
[10:49] <MCMiic> I’m a bit sad that ubuntu phone store is not based on apt btw
[10:49] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, most likely you will see support for snap packages on the phone soon (smply because all developer manpower goes into snappy and "click" is rather in maintenance mode) ... waether you will see a full snappy install soon really depends on the progress
[10:51] <ogra_> for now snappy focuses on headless systems (servers, IoT, robots etc) ... there are initial moves to get Mir to work and allow you to run single graphical apps in kiosk mode under Mir
[10:51] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ will that also mean that when snaps come to the phones that also means snap versions of x apps for convergence?
[10:51] <ogra_> with 16.04 the base system will be in a more final state ... then higher level work will start
[10:52] <ogra_> any app you can imagine ;)
[10:53] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ great :D which also means we will be able to start an x application on phones in the future? via xmir, I seen demos of people doing it now, but no "gui" way for it.
[10:53] <ogra_> you are able to do that today
[10:53] <EdwardMorbius> I know but currently there is no "user friendly" way to do it
[10:53] <ogra_> the converged tablet that will come out soon even has libreoffice, firefox, xchat and gedit preinstalled afaik
[10:54] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, btw ... there is #snappy too
[10:57] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ yes I will check it out, one last question :) will x apps in form of snaps eventually find their way in the ubuntu store for phones?
[10:58] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, snappy apps already are in the same store :) it is just that the phone doesnt consume them ... https://uappexplorer.com/apps?type=snappy
[10:58] <jjardon> Hi, what ubuntu-touch uses; NetworkManager or connman? Ofono or ModemManager?
[10:58] <ogra_> also for more info about snappy (and the current state) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuwdpnEbZU is a good watch
[10:58] <ogra_> jjardon, NM and ofono
[10:58] <Smurphy> Hmmm. So I wrote script that converts m3u files into playlist for the Music app ...
[10:59] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ yes I saw those, what I meant will firefox and stuff like that end up in the store. thanks I will check the video :)
[10:59] <Smurphy> And it actually works. Only m3u files are a b*tch, especially when created for vfat/Windows based systems *shrug*
[10:59] <jjardon> ogra_: Do you know if there is a doc somewhere that document that decision?
[10:59] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, if someone packages them ;) .... snap packages are like PPAs ... so i would expect you even to find ten firefoxes and ten libreoffices at some point ;)
[11:00] <ogra_> jjardon, while i think that exists, i wouldnt know where
[11:00] <ogra_> jjardon, modemmanager cant easily interact with rild though ... so there was no way to use it
[11:01] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ thanks :)
[11:01] <ogra_> jjardon, and NM i guess simply because of convergence ...
[11:02] <jjardon> ah, thanks for the ridl pooint; thats the android interface, rigth?
[11:02] <ogra_> yeah
[11:02] <ogra_> the only way to talk to the modem
[11:03] <ogra_> (and while standardized, every vendor adds his own hacks to it to make life harder ;) )
[11:33] <daker> hello, something really wired happened to my phone, it was seating off for months now that i have switch it on, i can't unlock it, the lockscreen says i need to wait 24125939 minutes :D
[11:44] <jibel> daker, the RTC probably reset to the epoch. IIRC it has been fixed, do you remember which version it was running?
[11:49] <daker> jibel: i don't, i was able to unlock yesterday and start the system settings app, and it did show me like a 300mo update
[11:52] <daker> ah i see you are right
[11:55] <jibel> daker, if you can login (ssh or adt) you can sudo hwclock <some options> to set the hw date and also ntpdate -b ntp.ubuntu.com to fix the system clock, it should be fine on reboot if the rtc is not reset again
[11:55] <jibel> adb*
[11:57] <ogra_> jibel, there seems to be a bug in the initrd's fixrtc script though ... someone shoudl check it
[11:59] <jibel> ogra_, definitely. For the same reason setting the date manually doesn't stick. I filed a bug a while ago, but it's been overlooked apparently.
[11:59] <jibel> ogra_, do you know where I can find the source of this script?
[12:00] <ogra_> jibel, initramfs-tools package source
[12:00] <jibel> ogra_, from what I remember it was either fixrtc or the kernel
[12:00] <ogra_> yeah
[12:00] <ogra_> well, fixrtc should always force it regardless
[12:01] <ogra_> (you even have the script installed in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/fixrtc ;) )
[12:13] <daker> i can't seems to access adb shell or ssh into the phone with my password
[12:14] <daker> $ adb shell
[12:14] <daker> error: closed
[12:15] <ogra_> daker, screen unlocked ?
[12:15] <daker> no i can't unlock the screen, i am facing the epoch bug
[12:15] <jibel> ogra_, he cannot
[12:15] <ogra_> ouch
[12:15] <daker> :D
[12:16] <daker> ogra_: does the clock impact the ssh server ?
[12:16] <jibel> daker, what is the device?
[12:16] <ogra_> reboot to recovery, touch /userdata/.adb_onlock (or was it /data ? )
[12:16] <daker> jibel: Nexus4
[12:16] <ogra_> then reboot again and adb should let you in
[12:16] <jibel> daker, has ogra_ said, boot into recovery
[12:18] <daker> ogra_: i am in recovert now, how do i touch /userdata/.adb_onlock ?
[12:19] <ogra_> its years that i did that last ... (well, more than one year at least) ... iirc you need to mount /data if it isnt mounted (or /userdata, i really cant remember) ... and then just touch
[12:19] <ogra_> (using the touch command :) )
[12:21] <popey> it's /data
[12:21] <popey> or did you change it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-tools/+bug/1414288
[12:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1414288 in android-tools (Ubuntu) "adbd falsely looks for /data/.adb_onlock to override the screen lock check" [Critical,Fix released]
[12:26] <jibel> ogra_, I don't have the fixrtc script on mako and arale
[12:27] <jibel> ogra_, Ive fixrtc.hooks.diverted and fixrtc.local.premount.diverted in /usr/share/initramfs-tools
[12:27] <jibel> and that's all
[12:28] <ogra_> weird
[12:29] <ogra_> popey, it depends how in-sync the fstabs are ... iirc /userdata is /data on some devices in recovery while it is /userdata on the actual system
[12:29] <popey> ah
[12:30] <jibel> ogra_, that would explain why the script doesn't do its job if it is not there
[12:30] <ogra_> jibel, yeah
[12:31] <jibel> if I copy the job to the expected location, set the hwclock to something completely wrong, it should be correct on reboot
[12:31] <jibel> s/job/script/
[12:31] <ogra_> yeah
[12:34] <jibel> ogra_, I suppose I need the hook to in the hooks/ directory?
[12:34] <jibel> too*
[12:36] <daker> ogra_: i am lost, how do i mount the /data ?
[12:36] <ogra_> jibel, yeah
[12:36] <ogra_> daker, "mount /data" in the recvovery adb console (if it isnt mounted yet)
[12:39] <daker> ogra_: nice got it
[12:43] <daker> jibel: hmm  2 Jan 16:14:15 ntpdate[3858]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[12:46] <daker> maybe the ntp packets are being blocked by the firewall
[12:49] <becku> hello
[12:51] <becku>  I get no import contacts in telegram.  can anybody help me
[12:58] <daker> ogra_ jibel fixed :D thanks!
[12:59] <ogra_> :D
[13:00] <daker> jibel: it's r327
[13:04] <matv1> becku there is an option in the telegram menu -> Contacts. Then hit + in the contact page menu. you will be prompted to select from local Contacts app or enter details manualy
[13:05] <matv1> becku do you not have that?
[13:06] <becku> yes
[13:06] <becku> matv1:   I got it now , took a long time to import
[13:06] <becku> thanks!
[13:07] <matv1> becku np. glad it worked :)
[13:07] <becku>  but it has no rotation telegram
[13:07] <becku>  because even you can not use whatsapp ?
[13:07] <matv1> becku not sure what you mean ?
[13:08] <becku> whatsapp not in ubuntu?
[13:08] <becku> sorry for my bad english
[13:09] <matv1> correct. there is no whatsapp on Ubuntu
[13:09] <matv1> haha no problem
[13:09] <k1l_> becku: you need to ask whatsapp to support ubuntu
[13:10] <becku> :/
[13:10] <matv1> becku also you could add your vote on: https://uappexplorer.com/wishlist
[13:10] <becku> ok
[13:10] <becku> thanks
[13:10] <becku> i go
[13:35] <popey> daker: about your date/time issue - be thankful you're not on iOS :) https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/458ao3/discussion_changing_time_date_settings_to_jan_1/
[13:35] <popey> (change date/time on ios to 1970 will brick the device)
[14:04] <daker> popey: oh
[14:14] <mterry> pitti, read your responses to the pam langpack-o-matic thing.  I would have expected the seeds to be in the usual place
[14:15] <pitti> mterry: well, except that they aren't -- not at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[14:15] <pitti> mterry: or 15.04 RTM is using the vivid seed
[14:15] <pitti> but that seems fairly old to be plausible
[14:16] <mterry> hrm
[14:16] <pitti> and if it's really that old, we can just symlink pkglist-touch-15.04 to pkglist-touch-vivid
[14:16] <mterry> pitti, it's not lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.vivid ?
[14:16] <pitti> mterry: that's the one which hasn't been changed in 10 months
[14:17] <pitti> mterry: I don't know, perhaps it is
[14:17] <mterry> pitti, ah.  Well that might be plausible
[14:17] <pitti> someone here ought to know
[14:17] <mterry> pitti, how often do we seed new things?  (vs depending)
[14:17] <pitti> I suppose not that often, but I'm not a touch developer
[14:17] <mterry> pitti, I have to leave for a dentist appt, but can pick this up later
[14:17] <mterry> pitti, I'd say 10 months is plausible
[14:18] <pitti> mterry: so, the other question is why pam isn't in the germinate list, this needs some debugging
[14:18] <pitti> mterry: argh dentist, good luck!
[14:18] <mterry> pitti, yeah thanks, I can try to dig into that when I get back -- didn't even consider that the maps were generated, which is dumb of me when it comes to seed packages.  Everything is generated!  :)
[14:19] <pitti> at least it's much easier to maintain that way
[14:31] <mariogrip> mhall119_: ping
[14:36] <mhall119_> mariogrip: pong
[14:36] <mariogrip> mhall119_: did you install the stable version?
[14:37] <mhall119> rev 2?
[14:37] <mariogrip> yeah
[14:38] <mhall119> yeah, it wouldn't booth, maliit-server and unity8-dash kept crashing and re-spawning over and over
[14:38] <mhall119> between that and apport trying to do something with the crash, it hangs and drains the battery
[14:38] <mariogrip> did something appear on the screen?
[14:38] <mhall119> system-image-dbus was using a lot fo CPU too
[14:38] <mhall119> mariogrip: the boot splash
[14:40] <mariogrip> ok, i'll push a new version, I was just checking if the stable version has support for 5.1
[16:20] <bshah> sil2100: hi
[16:29] <sil2100> bshah: hey
[16:29] <bshah> sil2100: umm, patch you gave me in query is give 404
[16:29] <sil2100> uuuu
[16:29] <sil2100> hmmmm
[16:29] <sil2100> Oh, maybe because I pushed a new version
[16:30] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-system-image/server_uncompressed-initrd/+merge/285374/+preview-diff/693942/+files/preview.diff
[16:30] <sil2100> Anyway, here's the MP (not finalized, missing 2 tests)
[16:30] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-system-image/server_uncompressed-initrd/+merge/285374
[16:31] <bshah> okay.. will test tomorrow morning
[16:31] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[18:33] <mhall119> mariogrip: I think there's still something wrong with starting lightdm, I've managed to get into unity8 once by running your lightdm stop/chmod/start script at just the right time, but otherwise it just gets stuck trying to launch dbus-daemons
[18:38] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah, I don't think it installed correctly from system image, can you do "cat /etc/system-image/channel.ini "
[18:39] <mhall119> nope, that file doesn't exist
[18:39] <mariogrip> mhall119: ah, it didn't install at all
[18:39] <mhall119> well, u-d-f thought it did
[18:40] <mariogrip> mhall119: it is probably running the version that was already installed.
[18:41] <mhall119> that would explain some things
[18:42] <mhall119> mariogrip: ok, so how do I force it to install the latest images?
[18:42] <mariogrip> mhall119: anyway, download this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/70-FP2.rules and adb shell then mount -o rw,remount / then exit then adb push 70-FP2.rules /usr/lib/lxc-android-config
[18:43] <mariogrip> then adb reboot :)
[18:43] <mhall119> what does that do?
[18:43] <mariogrip> mhall119: fix permissions
[18:44] <mhall119> for lightdm?
[18:44] <mariogrip> jup
[18:45] <mhall119> ok, gotta wait for it to charge up a bit again before it'll reboot
[18:52] <mhall119> mariogrip: ok, it booted up fine this time, now I need to update it to the latest images, can I just u-d-f again, or do I need to do something different?
[18:52] <mariogrip> mhall119: you need to update it using recovery, I have an new version ready soon
[18:53]  * mhall119 will be back in a few minutes, going to run out and pickup some lunch
[18:53] <mhall119> mariogrip: let me know when it's ready and how to install it
[18:53] <mariogrip> mhall119: ack
[19:09] <CheeryLee> Hello everyone! Tell me please: iniramfs in the kernel are the same on all devices?
[19:25] <jrolland-ubuntu> me
[20:32] <mariogrip> mhall119: here: /home/mariogrip/Dropbox/Public/ubuntu/fp2/system.img.tar.xz
[20:32] <mariogrip> ops: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/system.img.tar.xz
[20:32] <mariogrip> wait, this one: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/android.img.tar.xz
[20:33] <mariogrip> and this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/boot.img
[20:33] <mariogrip> so, reboot to recovery
[20:33] <mariogrip> adb shell "mount /data"
[20:33] <mariogrip> adb push android.img /data
[20:34] <mariogrip> on recovery ui: choose "Ubuntu actions" -> "replace system.img" -> Choose android.img
[20:34] <mariogrip> then reboot to fastboot and flash boot.img
[22:44] <Mujisiro> Hello guys, did anyone succesfully install ubuntu touch on an lg g2?