[00:11] <Linuxownsu> Hello world
[00:12] <Linuxownsu> Who thinks GNOME'S the best ?
[00:14] <Mez> !best | Linuxownsu
[00:14] <Mez> !idle | Linuxownsu
[00:14] <Linuxownsu> Kk thanks
[00:15] <Linuxownsu> I was asking for features comparisions but google drowning me in results
[00:16] <Linuxownsu> Ciao amigos
[00:19] <Mez> @mark Linuxownsu Nice hostmask... and trollish behaviour
[00:20] <spree> back, sorry, i am having problems with ubuntu, hence the need to get back in #ubuntu
[00:20] <spree> i already apologized etc LjL said i just had to wait a few days its been a few days
[00:21] <Mez> spree: what nick were you using...
[00:22] <spree> a lot of nicks.
[00:22] <spree> thats why i was banned
[00:22] <Mez> spree: the one that got you banned?
[00:22] <Mez> (original ban)
[00:22] <spree> i don't remember it probably had the word faggot in it i was mocking somebody in another channel and forgot i was in #ubuntu
[00:23] <spree> ive been bad i know better now sorry and i've been waiting a few days. i understand i broke the rules and won't do it anymore.
[00:23] <spree> i have read the TOS from the ubottu bot as told to
[00:26] <spree> <Gary> spree: how sure can people be that if you were allowed back in you would not behave like you did the last time?  <-- well i've done everything people in this channel have told me to do, why would i spend all this effort on getting back in to get banned again for a few lines of text
[00:26] <spree> Gary
[00:38] <ikonia> spree: what about your behaviour in offtopic ?
[00:39] <ikonia> and you where not banned in #ubuntu just because of your name, but for being rude and offensive and making what you considered rude and offensive jokes, with very adult content
[00:39] <spree> ikonia, i honestly don't even remember
[00:40] <ikonia> what is the difference between sarah palin's mouth and sarah palin's vagina?
[00:40] <ikonia> does that ring a bell ?
[00:40] <spree> oh that...
[00:40] <spree> yes it does
[00:40] <spree> sorry about that
[00:40] <ikonia> right.....what was that all about in #ubuntu ?
[00:40] <ikonia> why did you do it ?
[00:40] <spree> because i was drunk and it was election night?
[00:40] <spree> i know it wasn't appropriate
[00:41] <ikonia> how about this I farted, its yeasty pungent scent took me aback with its succulent sulfur and rotting meat stench
[00:41] <spree> i regret doing it
[00:41] <ikonia> so after you where banned in the first channel you went and caused issues in other channels
[00:42] <ikonia> spree: well, I'm afraid that is the price of being banned in my view, you don't get the support you want when you want it
[00:42] <spree> look you're just crucifying me here i've already apologized
[00:42] <spree> and i've been banned for approaching 2 weeks
[00:42] <spree> if i wasn't serious i wouldn't be talking to you
[00:43] <ikonia> spree: 9 days
[00:43] <spree> we're on week 2
[00:44] <ikonia> right, I don't have confidence personally that this wasn't a one off, so I suggest you wait for ljl to return
[01:13] <mneptok> "i was drunk" is certainly behavior that's likely to re-occur
[01:13] <mneptok> you can only prevent behavior you actually control
[01:25] <LjL> spree - yet another nickname uh
[01:25] <LjL> i don't know... is it just me who have an instinctive feeling again people who come here to "appeal" with a different nickname every time
[01:26] <LjL> @mark #Ubuntu-ops spree This is "PipFAGGOT", I did tell him to check back in a few days, but the logs are worrying.
[01:26] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops spree This is "PipFAGGOT", I did tell him to check back in a few days, but the logs are worrying.
[02:26] <genii> Good evening, morning, or afternoon
[02:27] <genii> Not to be confused with csh ...
[02:42]  * nalioth likes cash
[02:43] <genii> Most people do ...
[02:43] <jussi01> hehe
[02:43] <jdong> but does cash support suspending jobs?

[02:43] <jussi01> anyone here in Texas? ie. somewhere not too far from san antonio?
[02:44]  * jussi01 slaps jdong
[02:44] <nalioth> jussi01: <ahem>
[02:44] <jussi01> nalioth: I know you are in texas, but how far from san antonio?
[02:46] <nalioth> jussi01: just a couple hundred miles
[02:46] <nalioth> not far at all
[02:47] <jdong> heh I've heard that everything is bigger in texas, but distance scales?
[02:47] <genii> As the Jackelopes stride
[02:47]  * nalioth is a retired trucker.  300 miles is a pre-breakfast jaunt
[02:48]  * nalioth has driven to SA and Austin just to eat out before
[02:48] <genii> Freightliner, Peterbilt, Mac ?
[02:49] <genii> I like Peterbilts
[02:49] <nalioth> genii: that's Mack, sonny  :P
[02:50] <jussi01> Kenworth :D
[02:51] <genii> nalioth: :)
[02:51] <genii> Somehow Texans and pitbulls just seem to go together...
[02:52] <genii> Though it may be a bulldog on them, I forget atm
[02:54] <jrib> i hate driving
[02:56] <jussi01> nalioth: do you see my pms?
[02:57] <nalioth> jussi01: i will if i look
[02:57]  * nalioth has "real life", you know
[02:57] <jussi01> hehe
[02:57] <jussi01> nalioth: you are freenode staff, you dont have real life...
[02:57] <jussi01> :P
[03:15] <mneptok> jussi01: incorrect. for staff, "real life" is "that place the servers are hosted"
[03:16] <jussi01> hehe
[03:21] <elkbuntu> you mean IRC isn't real?
[03:24] <mneptok> http://www.unrealircd.com/
[03:26] <genii> elkbuntu: Apparently not
[03:27] <elkbuntu> :(
[03:27]  * elkbuntu goes to rethink life, the universe and everything.
[03:27] <elkbuntu> hrm, might go out for pudding though, that will count for 'leaving the house this weekend'
[03:28] <genii> I get to actually go out on Monday
[03:28] <elkbuntu> does that involve pudding?
[03:29] <genii> No, hockey
[03:35] <genii> The McDonalds there may sell pudding of some kind, i don't know
[03:38] <nalioth> McDonalds? pudding?
[03:38]  * nalioth pinches genii and checks his awareness
[03:39] <elkbuntu> hehe, no i'm going to an actual cafe, i go there most weekends for pudding.
[03:39] <genii> nalioth: I'm awake, I'm awake!
[03:39] <nalioth> genii: no doubt, but are you aware of what reality you are currently inhabiting?
[03:39] <genii> A non-pudding based one?
[03:40] <nalioth> I dread to think what McDonalds would sell for pudding
[03:41] <genii> Actually me too
[03:42] <genii> Thats why I'll probably have the (extremely overpriced) beer instead
[03:44] <jussi01> @now houston
[03:44] <genii> Poor Houston
[03:44] <genii> @now Toronto
[03:51] <mneptok> hehehe. jdong, the east coast kid. :)
[03:51] <mneptok> "OMG 200 miles that's like going to Jupiter!!!!"
[03:51] <jdong> mneptok: lol I love driving distances too, though I have no professional background doing so :)
[03:52] <jdong> mneptok: I just do it whenever I feel the winters are too cold.
[03:52] <mneptok> jdong: where are you from originally?
[03:52] <jdong> Michigan
[03:52] <jdong> we love cars over there
[03:52] <mneptok> i've heard that
[03:53] <mneptok> i'm from Hartfod, CT. i remember people talking about "driving all the way to Boston just for a weekend"
[03:53] <mneptok> uhh ... it's a 90 minute drive.
[03:53] <jdong> lol
[03:54] <mneptok> when we lived in OR i used to drive 5 hours each way for a weekend visiting friends. people from the east coast acted like i was driving to Chile.
[03:54] <genii> That fryguy is giving iffy advice in #ubuntu again
[03:56] <genii> nvm it was me
[03:57] <bazhang> matthew
[03:57] <bazhang> very very chatty
[03:59] <Flannel> you mean matthias ;)
[04:00] <Flannel> hmm
[04:00] <Flannel> no, he doesn't seem chatty
[04:01] <bazhang> no I mean matthew
[04:01] <bazhang> the one who said 'why do you want blue teeth' on a request for bluetooth
[04:01] <Goatz> Why does netyire's nick seem framiler? Was s/he not banned in ubuntu-ot?
[04:04] <Flannel> BigUrsis: Not that I'm aware
[04:04] <genii> bt says no
[04:04] <BigUrsis> hrumm, thanks anyways.
[04:08] <Flannel> erm
[04:08] <Flannel> anyone with -ot?
[04:09] <mneptok> Flannel: haven't been watching
[04:14] <mneptok> fryguy is really beginning to annoy.
[04:15]  * mneptok goes AFK for a smoke and chill-out
[04:16] <bazhang> heh
[04:16] <bazhang> s/beginning/getting more *ing/
[04:33] <bazhang> not sure how re-directing to #winehq = rtfm
[04:33] <bazhang> but man bash, and just google it are not
[05:35] <bazhang> heh
[06:12] <bazhang> holymoo (holycow ) in #kubuntu
[06:12] <bazhang>  holycow<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[06:13] <nalioth> is he being disruptive?
[06:13] <Flannel> @bansearch holycow
[06:14] <bazhang> less than usual
[06:14] <Flannel> just banned places
[06:16] <Flannel> What an odd question
[06:21] <bazhang> flaccid> hmm this seems like another pathetic ubuntu release. time to start submitting bugs. cyas
[06:21] <bazhang> a budding limcore
[06:21] <Flannel> I was going to pardon him from having to endure it any longer, but he left.
[06:22] <bazhang> hehe
[06:27] <DrDerek> could I have someone take notice to offtopic.
[06:27] <bazhang> guess its a different standard for !ot in #kubuntu
[06:27] <DrDerek> user Stasshole has been harassing me and using my name
[06:28] <Flannel> DrDerek: Thanks for the headsup
[06:28] <DrDerek> He's been also using my old user names LordKagar, and Kagar to try and get me in trouble
[06:28] <DrDerek> but yeah, that's all.
[06:29] <Flannel> Anyone who has ops in -ot awake?
[06:29] <Flannel> Stasshole could use a kick
[06:29] <bazhang> and a ban.
[06:30] <Flannel> I wouldn't disagree with a ban either.  but definately a kick.
[06:31] <tritium> Done.
[06:31] <bazhang> thanks tritium
[06:31] <Flannel> DrDerek: They haven't been in -ot
[06:31] <tritium> Sure.  Thanks for letting me know
[06:32] <DrDerek> yeah, not yet, but in some other channels I was in.
[06:32] <DrDerek> he was using my old users.
[06:32] <DrDerek> but again, thanks.
 i need to stop drinking
[06:40] <bazhang> dont know if that counts as disruptive or not.
[06:40] <bazhang> any !trigger to him will just unleash invective on his part
[08:11] <elkbuntu> lemonade + ginger beer + vodka = nom.
[08:11] <Flannel> How do you nom on a liquid?
[08:12] <elkbuntu> thlurp then
[08:13] <elkbuntu> ok, now i need a Finn to tell me how to internet from a phone. as in.. how do i find the mac address of this thing so i can register it with my router
[08:18] <elkbuntu> nevermind, founded it
[08:34]  * elkbuntu prods Myrtti gently
[08:34] <elkbuntu> is it wakeup time in finland yet?
[08:36] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Its a saturday
[08:37]  * jussi01 is awake...
[08:37] <elkbuntu> yes, but you're on the same continent as me
[08:37] <elkbuntu> or, aren't you?
[08:38] <jussi01> yes, i am..
[08:39]  * jussi01 wonders why you need a person from the other side fo the world-....
[08:39] <Flannel> jussi01: Because only the Finns know about little phone things.
[08:39] <Flannel> and also, emacs.
[08:40] <jussi01> Flannel: Ive picked up some while ive been there ;)
[08:41] <Flannel> jussi01: Perhaps all Finnish people have six fingers on each hand then?  So they can not only type faster on tiny phones, but also utilize all eight metakeys.
[08:41] <jussi01> rofl
[08:43] <elkbuntu> jussi01, which irc client should i get then?
[08:43] <jussi01> elkbuntu: putty + irssi :D
[08:43] <jussi01> elkbuntu: which phone is it?
[08:44] <elkbuntu> e71
[08:44] <elkbuntu> i'm being told jmirc from others
[08:45] <jussi01> elkbuntu: well seriously, putty + irssi works great for me
[08:46] <elkbuntu> but i dont want CLI.
[08:46] <jussi01> but mriggi is not bad
[08:47] <elkbuntu> At least these problems are in 0.4.4:   * /msg is still broken for some reason
[08:48] <elkbuntu> o.O
[08:53] <elkbuntu> jussi01, btw, guess who has decided to lurk in -au* again :(
[09:01] <Flannel> oh, oh!  oh!  I know!
[09:03] <elkbuntu> :(
[09:11] <Flannel> Looks like we'll need some oppage in -ot if things continue
[09:13] <elkbuntu> ikonia, please help me use this thing...
[09:13] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Its easy, its a phone.  Dial numbers, hit the green button, talk ;)
[09:13] <jussi01> /slap Flannel
[09:14]  * Flannel has a phone that makes phone calls.
[09:14] <Flannel> receives them too!
[09:14] <jussi01> anyway, Im off for a shower...
[09:20] <Flannel> Thanks Gary
[09:21] <Gary> why do people feel the need to talk about their willies on a open source irc network?
[10:02] <elkbuntu> that worked better
[10:02] <elkbuntu> Gary, because they *are* willies
[10:03] <Gary> now, that got my mind wandering... :p
[10:09] <Flannel> Not nearly as much fun when he isn't in the room.
[10:12] <Flannel> alright.  Up in six hours, time for bed.
[10:14] <Gary> hawt
[10:31] <elkbuntu> a whole six?
[10:31] <elky_e71> amateur
[10:52] <DrDerek> My suspicion is that epiclulz in offtopic is 'Stasshole' again, just using the mibbit to hide his address
[10:58] <bazhang> any one with rights in #kubuntu may wish to check a (nick)
[11:00] <bazhang> * [a] (n=a@<IP_ADDRESS>): a
[11:33] <bazhang> @bansearch thomasd
[12:29] <[twisti]> http://www.mcmoon.com/katie/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=5857b3a134e818705ea3990682ad85cd
[12:29] <[twisti]> lol
[12:33] <bazhang> !staff
[12:34] <bazhang> ^^
[12:46] <bazhang> [twisti], you need to change your ident
[12:47] <bazhang> [twisti], please dont idle here.
[12:47] <[twisti]> why dont you want me to idle here ?
[12:47] <bazhang> check the topic
[12:48] <[twisti]> oh, my bad
[12:48] <[twisti]> i wanted to go to #ubuntu
[12:48] <[twisti]> i dont know how i landed here
[12:48] <bazhang> you are banned with that ident
[12:48] <[twisti]> ah, i see
[12:49] <bazhang> @mark [twisti]
[12:51] <Gary> bazhang: that link posted would not have been suitable for #ubuntu either
[12:51] <bazhang> Gary, certainly not
[13:01] <elkbuntu> kids these days...
[13:02] <bazhang> that is one really awful link
[13:09]  * jrib does not click
[13:42] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: with e71 putty and irssi is nice, I use irssi-proxy and mirggi on my n95
[13:43] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: and though I physically live in Finland, I've emotionally lived in UK for quite some time, so
[13:43] <Myrtti> GOOD MORNING FROM CAMBRIDGESHIRE!
[13:44] <elkbuntu> heh
[13:44] <elkbuntu> you're a fin through and through.
[13:44] <Myrtti> http://xkcd.com/448/
[13:45] <Myrtti> true
[13:45]  * Myrtti goes to nom rye bread and make coffee
[14:13] <ikonia>  elkbuntu how you getting on with it ?
[14:13] <elkbuntu> slowly
[14:13] <elkbuntu> cant find a decent ubuntu-ish theme for it :(
[14:13] <ikonia> my first two days with it where slow/frustrating
[14:13] <ikonia> elkbuntu: yes, I want a nice "theme" too
[14:13] <ikonia> still on the defaults
[14:20] <ikonia> elkbuntu: found any good apps yet
[14:20] <elkbuntu> other than putty and jmirc, nope
[14:20] <ikonia> I'm fighting to get tom tom on there
[14:21] <elkbuntu> as in the gps thing?
[14:21] <ikonia> yup
[14:22] <ikonia> can these things only take an 8gb memory card ?
[14:23] <Myrtti> 16 is the biggest I've heard
[14:23] <ikonia> I'm aware of 16GB cards, but I thought these could only take 8
[14:24] <elkbuntu> the max often is determined by the maximum possible at the time of specification writing.
[14:24] <ikonia> yes
[14:24] <elkbuntu> so, you'd not know until you tried
[14:24] <ikonia> I need to take mine in to get "flashed" as the nokia branded firmware is about 9 months old !
[14:24] <Myrtti> I can try to make something in Virtualbox as a theme
[14:25] <ikonia> Myrtti: explain ?
[14:25] <Myrtti> ikonia: if you have vmwared windows, you can flash it yourself
[14:25] <ikonia> oh?
[14:25] <Myrtti> yeah.
[14:25] <Myrtti> virtualboxed windows can't do it
[14:25] <ikonia> my only concern is the vodafone application for mail
[14:25] <Myrtti> I've tried
[14:25] <Myrtti> oh.
[14:25] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[14:25] <ikonia> I assume I don't need a Vodafone firmware to run it
[14:25] <ikonia> but I can't find any info
[14:26] <Myrtti> but as for the themes
[14:26] <Myrtti> I used to do my themes on ownskin.com
[14:26] <Myrtti> but I'm not that happy with it anymore
[14:26] <Myrtti> they seem to install some apps into the phone that I'm not totally comfortable with
[14:34] <elkbuntu> such as?
[14:35] <Myrtti> such as I don't know what they do.
[14:40] <elkbuntu> anyway, bedtime
[14:42] <Myrtti> [16:42] ~~~Crapstains<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has  joined #ubuntu
[14:52] <elky_e71> filo1234 can we help?
[15:10] <ikonia> well, just grabbed a nice green theme, all looks well,however it has one bug in that when someone calls me they have not changed the font from white, so the white box with the callers name in is just blank white
[15:13] <jussi01> ikonia: elkbuntu http://www.mmcforums.net/theme/4208/simply-ubuntu-mobile-theme.html
[15:14] <jussi01> dunno if it works on your widescreens tho
[15:15] <ikonia> not a fan of the big ubuntu logo
[15:16] <elky_e71> i agree with ikonia
[15:17] <ikonia> you clearly have good tast ;)
[15:17] <ikonia> taste
[15:17] <elky_e71> i should probably sleep rather than irc in bed too
[15:17] <ikonia> nah
[15:17] <ikonia> sleep is over-rated
[15:18] <elky_e71> it is 2:20
[15:18] <elky_e71> am
[15:18] <ikonia> .....and
[15:18] <ikonia> no no, go to bed
[15:19] <elky_e71> i am in bed. So is the phone
[15:19] <ikonia> elkbuntu: have you figured out how to turn the welcome tone off yet ?
[15:21] <ikonia> elkbuntu: http://www.symbianthemes.us/nokia_e71/
[15:29] <elky_e71> tomorrow
[15:45] <Myrtti> that was random
[15:45] <bazhang> wth
[15:58] <ikonia> I think I know.....
[15:58] <ikonia> @bansearch neil
[15:58] <ikonia> @btlogin
[16:01] <ikonia> I can't see the IP range that neil was using in that ban
[16:40] <ikonia> @bansearch <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:41] <ikonia> @bansearch Guest73983
[16:41] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 ?
[16:41] <bazhang> that is odd
[16:42] <ikonia> agreed
[16:42] <bazhang> and his last question in #ubuntu
[16:42] <ikonia> yes
[16:42] <ikonia> I thought he may have been in +1 as he was banned from #u
[16:42] <ikonia> but he wasn't
[16:43] <bazhang> not yet.
[16:53] <bazhang> @mark krashero offtopic and language
[16:54] <ikonia> @mark Guest73983 threatening to ddos people / trolling
[16:55] <ikonia> 16:54 <Guest73983> i am 20 something and i can DOS attak u now with your ip  address
[16:55] <ikonia> 16:54 <ikonia> ok, bye then
[16:56] <bazhang> wow
[16:56] <ikonia> removed him from ubuntu channels he was in
[16:56] <ikonia> didn't see a value in allowing that sort of threat in any channel to harrass/distrupt others
[16:56] <bazhang> I fear this is not the last we see of him
[16:57] <ikonia> I think it is
[17:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi gang, just a quick note to say hello.  Still swamped here with projects.  Hope all is well with everyone
[17:20] <Myrtti> err http://pastebin.com/f5421c60e
[17:21] <Myrtti> oh
[17:21]  * Myrtti facepalms
[17:21] <Myrtti> I forgot I've got home on the same partition with /
[17:21] <Myrtti> doh.
[17:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Blame those rodent
[17:21] <Jack_Sparrow> s
[17:22] <Myrtti> myrtti@tikru:/home$ du -sh
[17:22] <Myrtti> 36G
[17:22] <Myrtti> oh, my backups will fit nicely
[17:23] <jrib> hey Jack_Sparrow
[17:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey Jrib
[17:24] <Jack_Sparrow> I am stealing a few minutes from work to see how things are going
[17:37] <Mez> o_O
[17:37] <Mez> damn spammers using my name
[17:37] <jrib> 0_o
[17:37] <Myrtti> -_-
[17:37] <ikonia> where ?
[17:39] <Mez> bout an hour and 10 mins ago in #ubuntu (repeating the same question over and over)
[17:46] <PriceChild> Why do you hilight on people using 'mez' inside theiro own nick?
[17:47] <Mez> it highlighted the responses to him.
[17:47] <Mez> and he showed up in my /lastlog mez
[17:47] <PriceChild> right
[18:18] <ikonia> another user with 2.6.25 kernel
[18:18] <ikonia> I still can't figure out where that is coming from
[18:18] <Pici> !info linux-386
[18:19] <Pici> ikonia: ^^
[18:19] <ikonia> Pici: you found it
[18:19] <Myrtti> where and why?
[18:20] <Pici> ikonia: I had found that the other day but didn't put it together with the 'random user' issue until now.
[18:20] <ikonia> Pici: good find !
[18:20] <Pici> I don't remember why I was looking either...
[18:27] <PriceChild> does the listing on grub change for whatever distro you have?
[18:27] <PriceChild> (\kubuntu glade88)
[19:15] <Myrtti> !pm
[19:15] <Myrtti> Pici: plz?
[19:17] <Pici> Myrtti: hm?
[19:18] <Myrtti> Pici: would this be ok: "please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers and control you're not getting bad advice. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude."
[19:18] <Myrtti> s/control/<find-appropriate-word>/
[19:19] <Pici> s/control/ensure/
[19:19] <Pici> 'ensure that' rahter
[19:20] <Myrtti> !no pm is <answer> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[19:20] <Myrtti> !pm
[19:20] <Pici> !no pm is <reply>  Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions  and answers and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first,  some find it rude.
[19:21] <Pici> :)
[19:21] <Myrtti> doh
[19:21] <Myrtti> !pm ~= s/  / /
[19:21] <Pici> !pm
[19:21] <Myrtti> !pm ~= s/  / /
[19:21] <Pici> !pm ~= s/  / /
[19:22] <Pici> !pm
[19:22] <Pici> Looks good to me.
[19:22] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:27] <ikonia> !staff > pepelucho sex url spamming
[19:28] <Pici> uh
[19:28] <ikonia> !staff
[19:28] <ikonia> oops
[19:29] <tomaw> gone
[19:29] <ikonia> ta
[19:59] <DaSkreech> hi. just did an adjustment. It's kinda incomplete as it needs a Wiki page to show how to get back to konqueror or use Dolphin in Gnome or KDE
[19:59] <DaSkreech> Also is !d3lphin simply a redirect to !dolphin?
[20:00] <DaSkreech> I'd like !d3lphin to keep it's current verbage
[20:01] <Pici> !-d3lphin
[20:02] <DaSkreech> Drat I forgot about that :)
[20:09] <Pici> I'm not a KDE person, I'd like for someone else who uses it to review it :)
[20:10] <PriceChild> A factoid about dolphin dealing only with konqueror?
[20:10] <PriceChild> we dont need that factoid
[20:10] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: Yeah One of the most common questions about Dolphin is how to switch back to Konqueror
[20:11] <Pici> Maybe some sort of !replace<something> factoid?
[20:11] <PriceChild> stick it on !konqueror if wanted
[20:11] <PriceChild> DaSkreech: No, that's a question about kde or konqueror, not dolphin.
[20:11] <DaSkreech> a factoid talking about a non default option is a can of worms dont' you think?
[20:12] <Myrtti> I'm not sure I'm understanding a word said here
[20:12] <DaSkreech> Hi Myrtti
[20:12] <DaSkreech> I knew I knew you from somewhere :)
[20:12] <Myrtti> but, I'm a XFCE/Gnome person, so ignore me
[20:12]  * DaSkreech hugs
[20:13] <PriceChild> Excuse me?
[20:13] <DaSkreech> Myrtti: the default file manager was changed to Dolphin Some people would really prefer the old option
[20:13] <PriceChild> If we only promoted "default", and discouraged "non default", then we wouldn't have any factoids, as we wouldn't support anybody to change anything.
[20:13] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: No I'm saying then you would have to have a !factoid for each of the valid options
[20:13] <PriceChild> I'm not saying don't have the factoid, I'm just suggesting that informatino should be in !konqueror, seen as that's what you want.
[20:14] <DaSkreech> Wouldn't it make more sense to say how to change from the default and allow the user to make up thier mind?
[20:14] <PriceChild> Yep no problem with that.
[20:14] <PriceChild> But if someone wants to find out about dolphin, they don't want to hear about konqueror.
[20:14] <DaSkreech> I could reword to make it more generic but most people really want konqueror not nautilus of krusader or thunar etc
[20:15] <DaSkreech> We have had a few people come in asking how to get Dolphin on Gnome/XFCE
[20:15] <DaSkreech> but most of the comments on Dolphin have been nice most of the questions have been how do i get back Konqueror
[20:15] <DaSkreech> Hence the original reason the factiod was made
[20:16] <DaSkreech> Now that KDE4 is shipping by default I thought I'd split the association between the KDE3 dolphin and the KDE4 dolphin factoid
[20:17] <DaSkreech> If that makes sense to all here?
[20:18] <DaSkreech> Actually let it stay for a bit I need to put up Wiki page to address all of this then it can link to it
[20:19] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: thanks for that suggestion though I'll keep that in mind (lack of a !konqueror factoid) :)
[20:24] <LjL> PriceChild, there's something you're missing i think
[20:24] <LjL> !dolphin
[20:24] <LjL> the factoid is *already* there and *already* tells you how to get back to konqueror
[20:25] <LjL> in more detail than daskreech's proposal has
[20:25] <PriceChild> okies
[20:25] <LjL> but
[20:25] <PriceChild> still think the last part is in the wrong factoid :P
[20:25] <LjL> i don't like a factoid that tells "you can do this" without telling you how
[20:26] <LjL> !filemanager
[20:26] <DaSkreech> LjL: Meeither that's why I want to build a wiki page that covers the three most popular questions about Dolphin
[20:27] <DaSkreech> Each DE has it's own way of doing default filemanagers
[20:27] <DaSkreech> BTW why doesn't !Gnome tell you how to install it?
[20:27] <LjL> DaSkreech: and that's why we have channge specific factoids
[20:27] <LjL> there's one thing i don't quite know though
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !kde
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !xfce
[20:27] <LjL> how do you change your default file manager from inside *dolphin*, not konqueror?
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !gnome
[20:28] <DaSkreech> LjL: Let me try something and tell you  in a second
[20:28] <LjL> the !gnome factoid is quite bad
[20:29] <LjL> if it were on wikipedia, it's be tagged "sounds like an ad"
[20:29] <DaSkreech> I've often thought so
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah but an ad with no way to buy it
[20:29] <LjL> !no gnome is <reply> GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal.
[20:30] <LjL> !default
[20:30] <LjL> !default-#kubuntu
[20:30] <LjL> !no default is <reply> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting.
[20:30] <DaSkreech> That's sweet
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[20:31] <LjL> !default-#kubuntu is <reply> To change the default application for a filetype, go to Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations" (KDE 3), or System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations (KDE 4)
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Myrtti: ping. How do you change file associations in Xfce ?
[20:32] <LjL> i suspect that in just about every DE, you can change the default filemanager by changing the association for the directory type
[20:32] <LjL> so that should probably be stuck to !default and that's it
[20:33] <DaSkreech> Yep true I was going to change the !dolphin factoid to say "Change the inode association to konqueror in !default"
[20:33] <ikonia> discussing inode association seems over the top in a factoid
[20:34] <DaSkreech> ikonia: Not when that's what people are asking for
[20:34] <ikonia> who is ?
[20:34] <LjL> ikonia: you don't have to know what an inode is, you just need to find where it says "inode/directory" in the dialog box...
[20:35] <ikonia> surly that should be in an instruction page/link rather than in the factoid
[20:35] <LjL> !no default-#kubuntu is <reply> To change the default application for a filetype, go to Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations" (KDE 3), or System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations (KDE 4). To change your default file manager, change the "inode/directory" and "inode/system_directory" filetypes.
[20:35] <DaSkreech> ikonia: The default file manager in KDE was changed and people like the old one so they ask how to get it back
[20:36] <ikonia> DaSkreech: where are they asking this ?
[20:36] <LjL> in #kubuntu of course
[20:36] <DaSkreech> in #kubuntu ?
[20:36] <ikonia> I've not seen it, hence why I'm asking
[20:37] <DaSkreech> It's gotten a lot less since the 7.10 days but cropped up again with KDE4 by default
[20:37] <DaSkreech>  though Dolphin is >>> D3lphin
[20:37] <LjL> the factoid !dolphin was Requested 237 times
[20:37] <LjL> that's many.
[20:38] <DaSkreech> so people like it better
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Still I thought it wise to split the !dolphin and !d3lphin factoids since they are offically two products in the Ubuntu world now
[20:38] <LjL> do they need to have a factoid in the first place?
[20:38] <LjL> !info dolphin
[20:39] <LjL> !info d3lphin
[20:39] <LjL> these tell what they are
[20:39] <LjL> aside from the fact that the latter isn't in intrepid
[20:39] <DaSkreech> yeah but people are still on hardy
[20:39] <LjL> !info d3lphin hardy
[20:39] <LjL> where the heck is it to begin with
[20:39] <DaSkreech> It's colloquial
[20:40] <LjL> then they aren't two different products
[20:40] <DaSkreech> Dolphin on KDE3 libs have far less functionality than the one on KDE4 libs
[20:40] <LjL> well that goes for just about every KDE package
[20:40] <LjL> (one way... or the other)
[20:40] <DaSkreech>  So much so people called them different names to make it clear which one they are talking about
[20:40] <DaSkreech> No for the most part most are ports from KDE3 with some added fun
[20:41] <LjL> well, the !d3lphin factoid was requested a solid 0 times
[20:41] <LjL> i don't see a need for it
[20:41] <DaSkreech> Dolphin is a pure KDE4 app shoehorned into KDE3
[20:41] <DaSkreech> yeah I guess not :0-
[20:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:41] <LjL> and i don't see a need for !dolphin, it should be in !default (right there if possible, or in a wiki page otherwise)
[20:42] <LjL> !no dolphin is <alias> default-#kubuntu
[20:42] <DaSkreech> I'll work on  a wiki page but I don't have a problem with that as it solves the most greivous question about dolphin
[20:43] <LjL> !default-#kubuntu
[20:43] <LjL> DaSkreech: just should confirm that the above works, both in 3 and 4
[20:43] <LjL> i have 3
[20:44] <DaSkreech> LjL: It does
[20:44] <DaSkreech> In KDE4 there is an option to switch between Dolphin and Konqueror
[20:44] <DaSkreech> They just need to be able to find it
[20:45] <DaSkreech> Also for some reason post hardy there was no option to associate a directory with an app in Gnome
[20:45] <DaSkreech> I think that's solved now though
[20:46] <DaSkreech> right click on any directory -> properties -> open with -> new app
[21:35] <Myrtti> DaSkreech: "with great difficulty"
[21:35]  * DaSkreech laughs
[21:35] <DaSkreech> nice answer
[21:40] <Myrtti> Congrats to a new daddy :-)
[21:40]  * Myrtti huggles Tm_M
[21:40] <Tm_M> lech
[21:40]  * ikonia nods to Tm_M
[21:40] <ikonia> congratulations
[21:40] <Tm_M> my little princess
[21:41] <ikonia> prettyest nun in the convent
[21:41] <Tm_M> danke
[21:43] <DaSkreech> Grats!!
[21:44] <Tm_M> she still has her own room though, plastic this time
[21:49] <Gary> Tm_M: you are a new daddy?
[21:50] <Tm_M> anyway, have to sleep now, I am happy <3
[21:50] <Tm_M> yes
[21:50] <Gary> Tm_M: woooot *congrats*
[21:50] <Tm_M> but really sleep
[21:50] <Gary> night
[21:50]  * Myrtti tucks Tm_M in bed
[21:51] <Gary> awwww
[22:24] <ikonia> sigh fryguy again debating "su" and "sudo -i" in pm
[22:24] <ikonia> always a "disussion" with him
[22:26] <PriceChild> If you don't want to talk to him, don't. You'll only come off annoyed to him. Pass him to someone else if you have to.
[22:27] <ikonia> I can't be bothered with him
[22:28] <jrib> Sergiu: hi, how can we help you?
[22:29] <Pici> He had a ban in the BT from #u+1
[22:29] <LjL> and #ubuntu for that matter
[22:30] <Pici> I didn't see that one
[22:30] <LjL> removed now
[22:30] <Pici> Or rather, bansearch didnt.
[22:32] <ikonia> I'm out for th e night
[22:32]  * ikonia is tired of being pm'd by fryguy with lectures
[22:32] <LjL> meh just don't reply
[22:32] <ikonia> can't be bothered anymore
[22:32] <ikonia> he uses bsd so knows better
[22:33] <ikonia> every 2 seconds pm with another "you should read the man page on blah, it verify's the sync rate of the flux capacitor, so therefore in a court of law, I would be deemed right"
[22:33] <ikonia> rather than just helping the user - he has to be technically right
[22:34] <ikonia> can't be bothered, going to bed
[22:34] <ikonia> I suggest someone keep an eye on him for futher great sudo su - advice - he's right you know ! its safe
[22:34] <LjL> you don't have to have an excuse to go to bed...
[22:34] <LjL> anyway, sudo su *is* safe. it's just ugly
[22:34] <ikonia> LjL: I disagree
[22:35] <ikonia> same way I disagree about sudo -i for someone who has no idea
[22:35] <ikonia> sudo provides a layer of protection
[22:35] <ikonia> ughhh now you've got me going
[22:35] <ikonia> bed
[22:35] <ikonia> night
[22:35] <LjL> oh of course, i was comparing to sudo -i
[22:40] <Pici> Hm..  does DKMS solve the issue with restricted modules not being available for the -server kernel?
[22:42] <Pici> I knew that was coming
[22:43] <LjL> Pici: me too, but i didn't stop it since it doesn't even really kill anyone anymore
[23:02] <Pici> ikonia: thanks
[23:02] <ikonia> can't sleep
[23:02] <ikonia> no problem
[23:05] <ikonia> Pici: didn't want the ban lifted - he didn't want to mix with spoonfeeders and noobs
[23:05] <ikonia> just fyi
[23:05] <ikonia> I'll update bt
[23:05] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:05] <ikonia> ooh he's back as pici_spoonfeed
[23:06] <Pici> ikonia: Where?
[23:06] <ikonia> pm
[23:06] <ikonia> 23:05 -!- jaiFai is now known as Pici_Spoonfeed_P
[23:06] <ikonia> 23:05 <Pici_Spoonfeed_P> ;)
[23:06] <ikonia> 23:06 <ikonia> i don't find that funny
[23:06] <ikonia> I'll end that conversation there then and let the ban stand for a while
[23:07] <ikonia> he's back as his normal nick now
[23:34]  * Pici rolls his eyes
[23:37] <DaSkreech> Strike!
[23:38] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[23:39] <Pici> DaSkreech: Can we help you with anything else today?


[03:14] <charlie-tca> micahg: bit of help?
[03:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: sure
[03:14] <charlie-tca> Latest updates to natty removed firefox
[03:14] <charlie-tca> try to reinstall gives an error:
[03:15] <charlie-tca> the following packages have unmet dependencies: firefox: Depends: python-gtk2 but it is not going to be installed
[03:15] <charlie-tca> heh, bad?
[03:15] <micahg> sounds bad :)
[03:16] <charlie-tca> kind of without firefox now
[03:16] <charlie-tca> can't be just me?
[03:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: aptitude why-not firefox
[03:18] <charlie-tca> Unable to find a reason to remove firefox
[03:18] <charlie-tca> crap
[03:19] <ochosi> hey micahg
[03:20] <micahg> hi ochosi
[03:20] <ochosi> you talked about gmusicbrowser or something?
[03:21] <charlie-tca> sure
[03:21] <ochosi> cause it seems i missed that piece :)
[03:21] <micahg> ochosi: yeah, I'm going to try to get it in Debian, 1.1.6, right?
[03:21] <ochosi> yeah cool
[03:21] <micahg> s/in/updated/
[03:21] <ochosi> how hard is it to update it once it's there?
[03:22] <ochosi> because currently i'm working hard on getting everything right for the natty release
[03:22] <ochosi> so right now might be a bit soon (even though everything is basically working)
[03:23] <micahg> ochosi: not hard once squeeze is released, as for Ubuntu updating, past feature freeze, anything more than bug fix releases need release team approval
[03:24] <charlie-tca> well, I guess this is an opportunity! I can test midori and epiphany
[03:24] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i'm just installing the latest updates in natty, we'll see whether firefox stays here
[03:24] <charlie-tca> hm, this is 64bit, with the already lost nvidia-current, too
[03:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: trying to upgrade my chroot, seems to be happy, let's see what happens after install
[03:25] <charlie-tca> and that session menu bug found in testing bit me too
[03:26] <ochosi> micahg: right, about ubuntu's policy i kinda knew (that's why i really try to keep the deadline in focus), about debian i don't/didn't really know much
[03:26] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is release team, isn't he?
[03:26] <micahg> ochosi: so, next week I should be able to get it uploaded, the multimedia team has plenty of sponsors
[03:27] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, he's probably a delegate like I am
[03:28] <charlie-tca> micahg: want a bug for the missing firefox?
[03:28] <micahg> chroot is busted :-/
[03:28] <charlie-tca> well, it would be an update-manager bug, missing guake too now
[03:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, ok
[03:28] <charlie-tca> oh, and catfish went
[03:28] <ochosi> micahg: sounds really great! let me know if there's anything else you need!
[03:29] <micahg> ochosi: ok, thanks, you're an upstream dev for it, right?
[03:29] <charlie-tca> and I don't know what else
[03:29] <ochosi> charlie-tca: oh dear, i won't do this upgrade. it proposes thousands of kde-packages and removes ff, catfish etc
[03:29]  * charlie-tca did the upgrade and wishes he hadn't now
[03:30] <micahg> charlie-tca: does aptitude why-not python-gtk2 show anything?
[03:30] <ochosi> micahg: hm, well, i'm only a very small contributor. there's only one real dev (he kinda keeps this project to himself ;) )
[03:30] <micahg> ochosi: oh, ok, still good to have connections ;)
[03:30] <ochosi> micahg: i did some layout work, icons and a plugin
[03:30] <charlie-tca> Unable to find a reason to remove firefox
[03:30] <charlie-tca> no, instead of firefox, python-gtk2
[03:30] <ochosi> micahg: but i'm pretty much in daily or at least weekly touch with squentin (quentin sculo)
[03:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: hmm
[03:31] <charlie-tca> hm too. I am going to attempt to file this, I don't know if it will work with midori, though
[03:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: I forget how to get debug output from apt-get upgrade, but that would probably be helpful
[03:32] <ochosi> micahg: btw, you can also grab 1.1.6 from his git repo if you prefer pure upstream, in my version there's basically a different default layout and a few other small changes
[03:32] <charlie-tca> well, I can attach everything manually if I need to. I triage my share of these
[03:33] <micahg> ochosi: yeah, I'll do that, are there not release tarballs?
[03:33] <ochosi> micahg: and i also don't wanna piss him off by superseeding his packages with mine...
[03:33] <micahg> oh, nm, there's a watch file
[03:33] <charlie-tca> yeah, update-manager is not a genuine package...
[03:33] <ochosi> charlie-tca: update-manager has the nasty habit of always killing my nm-applet during the update
[03:33] <micahg> charlie-tca: are you using a mirror or the main archive?
[03:34] <charlie-tca> main, I think
[03:34] <ochosi> same here
[03:36] <charlie-tca> hm, micahg lots of packages installed then removed by the update
[03:37] <charlie-tca> gimp, ibus-m17n, firefox, guake, gcompris, gnumeric, onboard, ibus-
[03:38] <charlie-tca> 20 or more packages
[03:38] <micahg> sounds like the gtk stack is messed up
[03:38] <micahg> charlie-tca: maybe check in #ubuntu+1
[03:44] <charlie-tca> tried that.
[03:49] <ochosi> charlie-tca: oh dear, i really hope the resize-grip issue gets fixed soon in natty
[03:49] <ochosi> charlie-tca: it really looks pretty bad imo
[03:49] <ochosi> anyway, got to get some sleep now
[03:50] <ochosi> night everyone, see you!
[03:50] <micahg> ochosi: you should file bugs if you see some, I think most got fixed
[04:04] <charlie-tca> sorry, micahg. I guess firefox was the most visible one for me
[04:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: not a problem, wish I had a good answer, I'm going to blow away my chroot now since I broke it :)
[04:05] <charlie-tca> That's okay, you helped me find out how bad it really is.
[05:16] <charlie-tca> Okay, going to bed now.
[11:01] <ochosi> micahg: sure, sorry, i was just already pretty tired yesterday...
[11:12] <ochosi> hm, seems like the decision to move towards gmusicbrowser made the news already: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/gmusicbrowser-now-default-music-app-in-xubuntu-11-04/
[14:09] <charlie-tca> hm, is that a good thing or a bad thing to make it in OMG! Ubuntu now?
[14:10] <charlie-tca> those resize grips are not going away totally. they will be fixed if they interfere with buttons
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:25] <mr_pouit> \o
[14:25] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: but who will fix them?
[14:26] <charlie-tca> What's his name, bratsche ?
[14:26] <charlie-tca> Some of the fixes are things like move the bottom scroll arrow up a tiny bit so the arrow is no longer hidden
[14:27] <charlie-tca> if it is an annoying button present, it won't happen
[14:27] <mr_pouit> well, I hope he has 96 hours/day, because he will have to try all gtk+ packages in the archive, and fix them if necessary
[14:27] <charlie-tca> They won't attempt to remove the buttons
[14:28] <charlie-tca> They will fix the ones where the button covers things. firefox is an example, it is there. it will stay
[14:28] <mr_pouit> I guess they might fix packages when a bug is reported
[14:28] <mr_pouit> so packages from main mostly
[14:29] <charlie-tca> There is no reason to file a bug against every app, because it is not going to go away
[14:29] <mr_pouit> It is a good reason, because without the fix the app will look ugly
[14:29] <charlie-tca> Unless it actually interferes with something, it will be invalid
[14:30] <charlie-tca> ugly doesn't count.
[14:31] <mr_pouit> how would you define the current look of xfdesktop then?
[14:31] <mr_pouit> if doesn't interfere with anything, there is only an ugly black area at the bottom of the wallpaper
[14:31] <charlie-tca> That one will get fixed, since it is a fixed size. But firefox has one, and it won't get touched
[14:32] <mr_pouit> fine if he fixes it
[14:32] <mr_pouit> I won't touch that anyway
[14:32] <charlie-tca> If they show up where they are useless, or interfere with a button, they fix it
[14:32] <mr_pouit> this is going to add a completely unneeded delta with upstream and debian
[14:32] <mr_pouit> and I won't be able to forward it
[14:33] <charlie-tca> the panel, the desktop, the covered scroll button
[14:33] <charlie-tca> I know. Ubuntu devs are supposed to be doing them
[14:35] <charlie-tca> we made webupd8 with gmusicbrowser too
[14:36] <charlie-tca> looks good, too. Publicity for Xubuntu, publicity for Shimmer!
[16:24] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, the publicity machinery is working pretty well for us this release
[16:25] <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, have you had contact with bratsche?
[16:25] <ochosi> charlie-tca: because if so, it would be great if you could ask him how we can theme those beasts (the resize-grips) if they're gonna be all over the place
[16:26] <ochosi> charlie-tca: and since the gtk2 approach doesn't work with gtk3 i really don't have a clue how it should work (gtk3 docu is not very helpful yet)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> I can ask him, yes.
[16:28] <ochosi> thanks, that would be great
[16:28] <charlie-tca> I will see what I can get out of him
[16:29] <ochosi> i worked a bit more on the theme lately, doing some improvements on xfwm4 and xfce4-notifyd
[16:29] <ochosi> i'll do a new release soon and let you know so you can test it
[16:29] <charlie-tca> great! just be sure to push me on it, so I don't forget
[16:29] <ochosi> okeydokey :)
[16:58] <ochosi> charlie-tca: ok, i pushed most of the changes i did to the theme now. feel free to grab/test it: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/archive/tip.tar.gz
[16:58] <ochosi> charlie-tca: stuff that is still todo for xfwm is the "stick" button, apart from that it's final
[16:59] <ochosi> charlie-tca: it also picks up gtk colors now, so you can also use it with other themes and it'll integrate well
[17:00] <ochosi> k, have a nice weekend everyone!
[17:00] <ochosi> o/
[17:00] <charlie-tca> thanks
[17:14] <charlie-tca> installed latest greybird
[17:15] <charlie-tca> ochosi: can't change the background colors for orage, but that may not be your theme. I can't do it in raleigh either
[17:42] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, orage is still pretty buggy unfortunately. discussed that recently with mr_pouit, maybe we can make the clock-plugin provide the same functionality without the problems of orage
[17:43] <ochosi> yet another (really positive!) review from the german community (unfortunately in german though): http://blog.elektronik-projekt.de/
[17:43] <ochosi> oh, corrected link: http://blog.elektronik-projekt.de/2011/02/xubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-ein-einblick/
[17:45] <charlie-tca> okeydokey,
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Great! positive reviews are a good thing
[17:46] <charlie-tca> I think if orage is not going to work right, the clock plugin does tell time...
[17:47] <ochosi> yeah, mr_pouit said that with a hidden option the clock plugin can start orage, so the functionality of opening the calendar would stay the same
[17:47] <ochosi> (and that's the main gain from that plugin imo)
[17:47] <ochosi> so we'll test it and then could discuss a switch to the clock-plugin in the next meeting
[17:48] <ochosi> TheSheep: sorry i didn't have time for you yet, the weekend is rather busy here, so maybe early next week?
[17:53] <TheSheep> ochosi: sure, no hurry, I'm rather busy too, thank you for your care
[17:54] <ochosi> TheSheep: no problem, i'm really happy to hear your feedback or discuss things
[17:54] <ochosi> k, now finally gotta go ;)
[17:54] <TheSheep> I wish I had answers instead of questions
[17:55] <ochosi> guess there are no "answers" (as in "final answers"), only process...
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Is this still true in Natty? Can we fix it?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> You probably need to unmute pulseaudio
[22:00] <charlie-tca> It helpfully starts muted by default


[13:15] <wrst> wb netritious
[13:16] <netritious> ty wrst
[13:16] <wrst> how are things out west?
[13:16] <netritious> ty wrst
[13:17] <wrst> and why you are welcome :)
[13:17] <netritious> a little cloudy..they say it may rain. how bout your neck of the woods wrst?
[13:18] <netritious> got a bit of lag on the server...will be over soon :)
[13:18] <wrst> ha ha
[13:19] <wrst> little on the cloudy side here also
[13:19]  * wrst just notices that ubuntu 12.10 will ship with python3
[13:20] <netritious> all kinds of radical happenin' with ubuntu lately
[13:20] <wrst> yes i don't picture python 3 being that large of a deal packagers will just have to specify if they need python 2
[13:21] <wrst> i remember when that happened running arch and I had just one or two issues and as soon as the packagers fixed the package it was no issue, until then you just had to run it specifically under python2
[13:28] <xTEMPx> i many times wish I had the gumption and desire to focus on learning python
[13:28] <xTEMPx> i've gotten started several times and usually  just kinda drop it, as I really don't have a NEED to do it
[13:43] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  I don't know anything :)
[13:43] <xTEMPLARx> mayhaps
[13:43] <xTEMPLARx> :)
[13:44] <xTEMPLARx> I'm doing a remote session with a customer in Qatar... bbiaf
[13:44] <wrst> that's long distance computing!
[13:44]  * wrst wonders how xTEMPLARx pronounces Qatar
[13:50] <netritious> wrst: have you checked out qubes-os yes
[13:50] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: if you have some time to kill you should check that out ^
[13:51] <netritious> why is installing LILO still an option in the debian installer? does anyone still use LILO? and if so, why not grub?
[14:03] <wrst> is LILO still being developed?
[14:03] <wrst> netritious:  no i really haven't had time to check anything much, but i must say i'm not a security hawk :)
[14:09] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  I've HEARD that Qatar is supposed to be pronounced "Cutter", but I usually just say kuh-TAR.
[14:09] <wrst> well that's what i have heard also xTEMPLARx :)
[14:25] <Svpernova09> LILO? please god no. kill it with FIRE
[14:32]  * wrst looks for the gas and matches
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> LILO ain't never hurt nobody.. it served the community well for a long long time
[15:00] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i've never used it
[15:00] <wrst> i'm not old enough :)
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> hah!
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> jerk
[15:00]  * xTEMPLARx is old
[15:00]  * xTEMPLARx cries
[15:00]  * wrst agrees
[15:01]  * xTEMPLARx cries more.
[15:01] <wrst> actually xTEMPLARx i'm just a late arrival :)
[15:01]  * wrst is old also
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> pfft
[15:01]  * xTEMPLARx is 41 now :(
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> although, I do my best not to act like it
[15:01] <wrst> i'm 7 years behind xTEMPLARx
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> see?
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> whippersnapper
[15:03] <wrst> :)
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> so my chrome browser is like version 10.something
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> just tried to update an extension, and it says "you can't install because you should be running at least version 21"
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> 21?!
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> why is mine so old?
[15:12]  * xTEMPLARx is gonna rough somebody up over this oversight!
[15:12]  * xTEMPLARx looks around..
[15:12]  * xTEMPLARx finds only himself at fault.
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> Rule number 1:  don't talk about fight club
[15:14] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yeah and if you run chromium its old also
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> i just figured out why its so old
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> i had installed an old "unstable" version
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> so of course it didn't find any newer versions
[15:15] <wrst> i prefer running chromium and they really don't update it in the repos
[15:15] <xTEMPLARx> why do you prefer it?
[15:15] <wrst> i think you have to run a ppa for some reason
[15:15] <wrst> you really want to know?
[15:15] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: its icon is blue and it matches my background better in gnome-shell :)
[15:15] <wrst> really that's the reason :)
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> yes sir
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> rofl
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> you do know you can change the icon right?
[15:16] <wrst> yeah but that requires effort and for my use i see no difference, and i don't have the google spies watching me
[15:16]  * wrst looks around for the evil googlers
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> >_<
[15:19] <wrst> and generally in my distro hopping chromium is in repos
[15:20] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[17:18] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you might find this interesting: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/09/13/166203/ubuntu-nvidia-graphics-driver-windows-competitive-but-only-with-kde
[17:19] <xTEMPLARx> nice
[17:19] <xTEMPLARx> thankfully, I ain't usin' Unity
[17:19]  * xTEMPLARx phwews!
[17:34] <wrst> maybe you need to use kde xTEMPLARx
[17:34] <xTEMPLARx> pfft!
[18:42] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: no love for kde?
[18:47] <wrst> and wb chris4585, and "good mornign" :P
[18:48] <chris4585> lol thanks
[18:48] <wrst> how are thigns going?
[18:57] <chris4585> good, waiting for my package
[18:58] <wrst> did you order some electronic goodies?
[19:26] <chris4585> wrst, yeah, sorry for the delay had to go out to the mail box :)
[19:27] <wrst> what did you get?
[19:27] <chris4585> I ordered three, 120mm fans with 103cfm
[19:28] <chris4585> $6.99 a piece from tigerdirect, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835132022
[19:29] <wrst> ahh cool
[19:29] <wrst> hmm no pun intended
[19:29] <wrst> but hey if it works
[19:30] <chris4585> they should be pretty good, especially for the price
[19:40] <wrst> yes low price is nice :)
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> for those interested... zoneminder works quite well
[21:30] <Svpernova09> we use zoneminder at the hackerspace, works well
[21:30] <Svpernova09> used motion at the old space.


[00:03] <ali1234> "tv and toaster market" lol
[00:04] <ali1234> so with that in mind, how long before there's a version of unity that actually works with a touchscreen?
[00:05] <popey> 14.04? ☺
[00:05] <ali1234> i hope you're kidding
[00:05] <MooDoo> hi all
[00:06] <popey> well thats the aspiration mark set out
[00:06] <ali1234> it needs to happen like yesterday
[00:06] <popey> i agree
[00:06] <ali1234> 2 years is toooo looooong
[00:06] <ali1234> much much much too long
[00:07] <ali1234> tablet fad will probably be over by then
[07:53] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:23] <Ananya> hello all.
[08:24] <Ananya> i have a question
[08:24] <Ananya> when i choose a swap disk while the installation of ubuntu, will the disk be formated?
[08:24] <Ananya> or not?
[08:25] <dwatkins> Ananya: no, but the partition will be wiped.
[08:25] <Ananya> and if i want to revert it back as it was lastly so what to do?
[08:26] <dwatkins> actually, it might have changed recently, but it will certainly have its data cleared out, I think there actually is a little bit of formatting done now, as I've had problems mounting swap partitions from new linux distros on old ones
[08:26] <dwatkins> What's the problem?
[08:28] <Ananya> i think the drive choosen by me as swap drive was formated.
[08:28] <Ananya> can it happen?
[08:29] <Ananya> and if its really formatted so can i get it back? if yes then how?
[08:32] <Ananya> please tell me fast i am in a hurry.
[08:33] <dwatkins> sorry, was elsewhere
[08:33] <dwatkins> you downgraded to an older version of Ubuntu and the swap partition can no longer be used?
[08:33] <dwatkins> simple solution: don't use swap
[08:34] <dwatkins> I assume by "get it back" you mean that you want to use this partition with an older release
[08:35] <dwatkins> gparted should be able to format or wipe the relevant partition; as always, of course, ensure there's a backup of any important data etc.etc.
[08:37] <dwatkins> if you need swap in a hurry and have a spare partition with a couple gig free, you can just create a file to use for swap instead.
[08:40] <DJones> They've quite dwatkins
[08:40] <DJones> quit even
[08:40] <dwatkins> ah ok, thanks DJones
[08:40] <DJones> about 30 seconds after saying were in a hury
[08:40] <dwatkins> I set quits etc. to ignore as various channels are too noisy otherwise
[08:40] <dwatkins> oh dear
[08:41] <DJones> I have them on in small & realtively quiet channels
[08:41] <DJones> or channels where I don't care :)
[08:41] <dwatkins> heh yeah
[08:41] <dwatkins> I hope they find a solution in #ubuntu or something.
[08:42] <DJones> They've disconnected
[08:42] <DJones> completely
[08:42] <daubers> Morning
[08:43] <daubers> AlanBell: What python twitter module where you playing with the other month?
[08:43] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:43] <dwatkins> oh well, I guess they didn't want my help after-all
[08:43]  * dwatkins goes back to supporting paying customers
[08:43] <dutchie> morning czajkowski, daubers and everyone else
[08:43] <dwatkins> hiya czajkowski & daubers and all
[08:44] <DJones> dwatkins: You're supposed to answer INSTANTLY, you should know all the details because you've already accessed their computer before they thought of connecting to ask the question
[08:44] <dwatkins> haha
[08:45] <dwatkins> I'll just go ahead and take off my tin-foil hat so I can read their mind, DJones ;)
[08:46] <DJones> :)
[08:47] <DJones> Speaking of strange headgear, saturday evening, my wife went to her mums get her hair straightened, then put rollers in.......Doesn't one defeat the object of the other
[08:48] <dwatkins> Perhaps it's a bit like formatting a swap partition before using it...
[08:48] <DJones> Could be
[08:49] <DJones> Then she complained because she didn't sleep well because she left teh rollers in all night & they were uncomfortable
[08:49] <DJones> I nearly had a heart attack waking up, thought hilda ogden was in bed with me :)
[08:50]  * dwatkins sniggers
[08:50] <dwatkins> Wear a Carmen Miranda fruit hat?
[08:51] <dwatkins> Oops, gave my virtual machine too much RAM now it pauses when I update 11.04...
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:54] <DJones> Hmmh, wonder if there'll be any good deals at bestbuy now their closing down sale has started
[08:55] <dwatkins> Cyber Monday
[08:55] <MooDoo> DJones: glad there is one just over the road, but a tip, 10% to start with then more as the days go by
[08:56] <MooDoo> so it may pay to wait a few days if you want something specific
[08:56] <DJones> MooDoo: Yeah, to be expected
[08:59] <AlanBell> daubers: tweepy
[08:59] <daubers> AlanBell: ta
[09:00] <czajkowski> if anyone is about tonight and in london http://glow-london.blogspot.com/2011/11/glow-on-november-28th.html
[09:06] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Fk0_WKVi8
[09:08] <MooDoo> that looks fun :)
[09:08] <dwatkins> indeed it does
[09:10] <MooDoo> i'm sure i've seen something like that before, but more android related
[09:11] <dwatkins> Project Blinkenlights?
[09:11] <MooDoo> no hang on i'll see if i can find it
[09:12] <MooDoo> yes this is it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699NBQp6Jfg
[09:14] <dwatkins> That's really impressive :D
[09:19] <MooDoo> yeah pretty good isn't it :)
[09:19] <gord> oh. ebuyer is doing £1 sales today...
[09:20] <gord> guess i'm getting more crap i don't need
[09:20]  * MooDoo wait's for the apple mac at a £ :) lol
[09:21] <gord> well its a clearance sale, who knows what they will have ;)
[09:21] <dwatkins> Good luck with that, MooDoo ;)
[09:21]  * MooDoo has his credit card ready for best buy later :D
[09:25] <knightwise> hey everyone
[09:26] <dwatkins> hiya knightwise
[09:26] <MooDoo> hay knightwise how goes it :D
[09:27] <knightwise> doing ok
[09:27] <knightwise> getting annoyed at my Amahi server that keeps freezing up
[09:27]  * knightwise wishes he stuck to Ubuntu instead of going to fedora
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> you can always reinstall
[09:28] <knightwise> true , i checked that the only thing I "need" from amahi is minidlna
[09:28] <dwatkins> I made the mistake of putting 1 TB of data in the same partition as my OS, so reinstalling from CentOS to Ubuntu isn't going to be easy :(
[09:28] <knightwise> and i think its not that hard to install that on ubuntu
[09:29] <popey> dwatkins: shrink the partition by 10G, install ubuntu in the 10G
[09:29] <popey> job done
[09:29] <knightwise> I went to amahi for convenience .. but its kinda like IOS
[09:29] <dwatkins> popey: that's an excellent idea, thanks
[09:29] <knightwise> everything 'kinda' works but you have no control
[09:29] <dwatkins> I have a couple backup disks, but that will make it much easier, cheers popey  :D
[09:30] <popey> np
[09:30] <dwatkins> now how to shrink a Red Hat volume... ;)
[09:30] <popey> gparted from a live cd
[09:30] <popey> is it lvm?
[09:31] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15916677
[09:31] <MooDoo> lol i read that as what is it :) lol backspace time :D
[09:32] <knightwise> anyone have any experience in installing minidlna ?
[09:40] <dwatkins> I switched to fuppes and serviio, knightwise
[09:40] <gordonjcp> knightwise: yes
[09:41] <gordonjcp> knightwise: it Just Plain Works
[09:47] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone!
[09:47] <MooDoo> morning
[09:49]  * bigcalm throws smelly eggs at Monday
[09:51]  * oimon fries them in a pan with bacon
[09:56] <nigelb> JamesTait: It is a Monday, whether its Happy or not is so far questionable :)
[09:58] <DJones> oimon: Smelly eggs normally means bad eggs
[09:58] <oimon> i'm not eating them DJones
[09:58] <oimon> just cooking for unsuspecting customer
[09:59] <JamesTait> Where's the positivity? The enthusiasm? We have a whole week of awesomeness ahead of us! :)
[10:00] <oimon> JamesTait must be a bot :P
[10:00] <MooDoo> JamesTait: are you high?
[10:02] <dwatkins> What's happening this week?
[10:02] <JamesTait> oimon: ValueError: Cover blown.
[10:02] <JamesTait> MooDoo: What oimon said. ;)
[10:02] <MooDoo> JamesTait: lol does no compute
[10:03] <JamesTait> dwatkins: More of the same, I suppose, but that's not a bad thing. :)
[10:05] <dwatkins> JamesTait: true, I like it when there is time to just get on with things, as opposed to being busy with travelling etc.
[10:06] <MooDoo> well i've just hired some studio lighting for an upcoming photoshoot, so i'm a happy bunny :D
[10:06] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Ooh, get you! :-P
[10:06] <MooDoo> lol
[10:07] <JamesTait> In truth, I don't know exactly what this week holds for me, but I'm pretty certain it's going to be great fun.
[10:09] <MooDoo> JamesTait: it's good to be up bear
[10:10] <MooDoo> beat
[10:10]  * JamesTait gets his head down to do some work.
[10:13] <JamesTait> MooDoo: It is - and if I can make someone else's day a little brighter as well, so much the better.
[10:15] <badger> connect #django-cms
[10:15] <oimon> fail
[10:20] <sarea> anyone active just now?
[10:21] <MooDoo> sarea: you got a question?  just ask if you do :D
[10:21] <sarea> i need a hand, in svenska or english, my pc wont boot fully
[10:21] <MooDoo> just ask away, if there is someone here that can help they will....
[10:21] <sarea> it has graphics issues and wont behave...
[10:21] <sarea> its an eeepc 1015pn
[10:22] <sarea> i  spent 12 hours installing ans setting it all up - i would really appriciate help making it boot
[10:23] <sarea> i booted into a live usb on that machine
[10:23] <popey> ... and?
[10:24] <sarea> i need the machine for class in 1 hour
[10:24] <popey> We still don't know what the problem is.
[10:24] <popey> What exactly is the issue.
[10:25] <sarea> when i boot up, it either wont boot to a log in screen if it boots to a log in screen it freezes with horrid spotts all over the place, like an old film
[10:26] <popey> what version of ubuntu is it?
[10:26] <sarea> it the webbook lts version
[10:27] <popey> 10.04?
[10:27] <sarea> i think so
[10:28] <sarea> its not the one in development
[10:28] <sarea> it was released in 2010
[10:28] <popey> do you have it in front of you?
[10:28] <sarea> im using that machine - on live usb
[10:28] <sarea> i only have one machine
[10:29] <AlanBell> so it worked when you first installed it?
[10:29] <sarea> yes
[10:29] <AlanBell> and you spent some time setting it up, what did you do just before it broke?
[10:29] <popey> I suspect it's not got the binary nvidia driver installed
[10:29] <sarea> it must have been the updates
[10:30] <sarea> it has got that installed
[10:30] <popey> given that laptop has an ION nVidia chipset
[10:30] <sarea> it workd fine with it
[10:30] <popey> it broke after updating it?
[10:31] <sarea> i think so
[10:31] <dwatkins> oh my, CentOS has "httpd" not "apache" as the name of the package, that's doubly confusing
[10:31] <sarea> i used terminal to update it, but updates where still showing on the update manager so i updated those aswell
[10:32] <sarea> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y -s
[10:33] <chrisjrob> -s means a dry run
[10:33] <chrisjrob> which means it won't have done anything
[10:33] <chrisjrob> and -y is a bit brave
[10:33] <sarea> i didnt use -s sorry
[10:33] <chrisjrob> :)
[10:33] <MooDoo> dwatkins: that's because redhat use httpd :)
[10:34] <popey> sarea: also, you should use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, not upgrade
[10:35] <sarea> i was tempted to use  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo shutdown 2" but dicided against it
[10:36] <chrisjrob> sarea: i think you're over automating
[10:36] <chrisjrob> the prompts are there for a reason
[10:37] <sarea> i hate being so greasy... i mean having my hands on all the code
[10:37] <sarea> id never make a good mechanic
[10:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:53] <MooDoo> morning
[10:53] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this fine day?
[10:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: my eczema is stressed, and painful, but otherwise not bad. and you?
[10:56] <gord> ha, ebuyer has gone down
[10:59] <dwatkins> oh dear, my Samba share got infected with a virus which put dodgy-looking links on it
[11:00] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yup fine thanks, just hired some studio lighting, still wondering, photoshop or gimp for editing :)
[11:02] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :),
[11:02] <sarea> dwatkins: does it need an approintment with the sti team? (smaba transmitted infection team)
[11:02] <sarea> dwatkins: does it need an approintment with the sti clinic? (samba transmitted infection clinic) *
[11:03] <dwatkins> sarea: sounds scary
[11:03] <sarea> i hear they poke around and do some tests, swap results in a week or so...
[11:03] <dwatkins> Apparently it's Worm_Otorun.ash
[11:05] <MooDoo> and the server/machine had no AV?
[11:06] <oimon> AV doesn't work very well anymore
[11:06] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo how's life dude did the school let you play Father Christmas in the end?
[11:06] <dwatkins> MooDoo: it's a CentOS file server we use for virtual machine disks only
[11:07] <davmor2> morning all
[11:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:07] <sarea> dwatkins: i was making a joke
[11:07] <dwatkins> sarea: yeah, I guessed you were :)
[11:08] <sarea> sti clinic... also means sexually tranmitted infections clinic
[11:08]  * oimon is flagging already after being woken at 5am by a muttering child
[11:09] <sarea> i switched it for samba
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: try DigiKam first and see if it covers everything you need it's about the best linux photo tool (rather than full blown image editor)
[11:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning :) does it deal with RAW? actually i'll have a look
[11:13] <MooDoo> oimon: SNAP!
[11:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yes although if memory serves it still didn't do a couple of things that tonytiger needed it to do but was the closest tool for the job iirc
[11:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok i'll have a look see if it does what i want
[11:30] <gord> no ipad2's for andylockran :(
[11:30] <gord> i somehow feel my auto-refresh of the website every 30 seconds is not helping
[11:31] <MooDoo> ebuyer?
[11:32] <gord> yup
[11:33] <MooDoo> backup for me
[11:33] <MooDoo> ah no
[11:33] <MooDoo> Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): The server closed the connection without sending any data.
[11:33] <gord> its up and down
[11:33] <MooDoo> think it's a tad busy :D
[11:33] <oimon> why? they have a sale on?
[11:33] <dogmatic69> apparently things are £1
[11:34] <MooDoo> yeah
[11:34] <gord> managed to get the page up with all the things on sale for £1, its all crap =\
[11:34] <MooDoo> pah!
[11:34] <oimon> plus, the basket would prob time-out
[11:34] <MooDoo> best buy it is this afternoon for me then
[11:34] <gord> a lot of plastic things for the wii
[11:37] <MooDoo> yup it's all crap
[11:37] <gord> updated hourly though
[11:37] <gord> so who knows
[11:38] <MooDoo> hmmm think it will all be just rubbish stuff they want to get rid of
[11:45] <gord> its a clearance sale for a reason :)
[11:45] <hoover> morning all
[11:45] <gord> but that doesn't mean you won't find a few gems
[11:47]  * oimon wonders if gord still has that page in cache
[11:52] <oimon> ebuyer back up
[11:53] <Laney> why were they down? sale?
[11:53] <Laney> p.s. morning
[11:53] <MooDoo> Laney: yeah £1 sales
[11:53] <Laney> anything good?
[11:53] <MooDoo> not for me
[11:53] <oimon> died again
[11:54] <chrisjrob> given the offers went live at 12.01 this morning (probably 11.31 on facebook), i'll guess anything worth having for a £1 has gone already
[11:55] <oimon> yeah, just like amazon's "offers"
[11:55] <chrisjrob> i must be too cynical - i just deleted the email
[11:56] <chrisjrob> i did get an emachine PC for £89 though
[11:56] <chrisjrob> (not this offer)
[11:56] <oimon> nobody ever saved money by spending it :)
[11:56] <chrisjrob> a while back
[11:56] <chrisjrob> wish i'd bought a few of them
[11:56] <chrisjrob> i even beat popey on that occasion :)
[12:09] <oimon> finally go tthe buyer page up...wow, lame
[12:12] <MooDoo> oimon: +1
[12:23] <oimon> wow, what an unpleasant man that domjoly character is. how many f's and c's can you fit on a page? http://twitter.com/#!/domjoly
[12:25] <MooDoo> yup sounds very pleasant.....
[12:27] <oimon> probably bitter that he's on TV nowadays about as much as i am
[12:30] <MooDoo> oimon: well you can tell how popular he is becasue he was on celebrety get me out of here....
[12:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: is digikam any use to you?
[12:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: dunno yet, i'll try it when i get home
[13:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: just installed it on this fedora box, ok it might be an older version but it looks ok
[13:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: I know it covers a lot of features that things like fspot and shotwell don't but it is specifically a photo app and not image editing so it might be better tailored to your needs than the gimp for example but also not as powerfully a feature est as the gimp or photoshop for example
[13:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes i'll investigate more this evening, but i'll have to be quick as i have a photoshoot on the 14th dec
[13:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: well there is always the gimp for now as a fall back ;)
[13:34] <gord> i'v found the google picasa app to be pretty good for this stuff
[13:36] <davmor2> gord: this is pro-level stuff rather than editing a few pics unfortunately or I would agree :)
[13:36] <MooDoo> +1
[13:37] <MooDoo> think i may up moving back to photoshop/lightroom....
[13:38] <AlanBell> why?
[13:40] <MooDoo> AlanBell: there are little features that photoshop have that gimp doesn't and they are rather handy, but hay i said may, i'm not for at least the next few months, i promised myself i'd give foss/photography tools a proper workout
[13:40] <AlanBell> what little features?
[13:40] <gord> you can prolly do them in gimp, but it requires about ten times the effort
[13:40] <MooDoo> everything content aware related for instance.
[13:41] <MooDoo> gord your right, cloning takes ages though :)
[13:41] <gord> MooDoo, cloning how?
[13:42] <MooDoo> gord: i mean removing telephone wires in shots for instance or anything that needs removing and you need to clone the area around it with photoshop you can use hightlight it and the app will do the rest
[13:42] <gord> MooDoo, ahh yeah, get the resynthesizer - works in a similar way :) works shockingly well too
[13:42] <gord> i think you can apt-get it
[13:43] <MooDoo> ooo really?
[13:43]  * MooDoo looks
[13:43] <gord>  resynthesizer plugin even
[13:43] <gord> it did it yeeeears before photoshop too ;) not to boast ;)
[13:43] <shauno> I really wish the gimp didn't exist.  All it seems to do is get in the way of someone coming up with a decent image editor.
[13:44] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: if there are features that photoshop has that you would like to see in Gimp, why not file a feature request?
[13:44] <AlanBell> liquid rescale is awesome
[13:44] <gordonjcp> shauno: gimp is pretty good as it is
[13:45] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: that's good in the long term so i'll probably do it
[13:45] <gordonjcp> at least the interface isn't that hideous window-manager-in-window bodge that photoshop has
[13:45] <gordonjcp> photoshop is just plain unusable
[13:45]  * AlanBell likes gimp
[13:45] <gord> last i checked gimp was basically in maintainership mode, not a huge amount of feature development
[13:47] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: depends on what you're used to, photostop is nice imo....just costly
[13:47] <AlanBell> MooDoo: http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/
[13:48] <gord> could never get good results out of liquidrescale myself =\ it always stretched something or bent something
[13:48] <AlanBell> depends how much stuff you want to remove
[13:50] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: I just found its UI bizarre and confusing
[13:51] <AlanBell> gimp is the one application that works better under Unity
[13:51] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: it's got this weird thing with floating windows trapped in a larger window
[13:51] <gordonjcp> which is really just a nasty hack to get around the inadequacies of the Mac window manager
[13:51] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install gimp-plugin-registry
[13:51] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: isn't gimp 2.7 going that way?
[13:52] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: possibly, which is a terrible mistake
[13:52] <MooDoo> thanks AlanBell i'll try that this evening
[14:11] <s-fox> Hello
[14:12] <bigcalm> Is it me you're looking for?
[14:12]  * MooDoo shakes head
[14:13] <s-fox> MooDoo!!!
[14:13] <s-fox> :)
[14:13] <MooDoo> s-fox!!!!!! missed you
[14:13]  * s-fox missed MooDoo too
[14:13] <MooDoo> yay o/
[14:13] <hoover> Hey biggie
[14:13] <s-fox> I am sorry have been gone MooDoo , it has been really busy over here
[14:14] <hoover> Feeling Lionel-esque today? ;-)
[14:14] <MooDoo> s-fox: it's ok, understandable
[14:14] <s-fox> Forum Council stuff has been a little bit of a monster this month
[14:15] <MooDoo> i bet
[14:16] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to get better wifi coverage with sky?
[14:16] <popey> better antenna?
[14:16] <dogmatic69> looked at getting a new router but seems to be against TOS and a bit of a pain
[14:16] <popey> move the access point somewhere else?
[14:16] <bigcalm> popey: it's a sealed box
[14:16] <popey> nice
[14:16] <bigcalm> One would need a repeater
[14:17] <dogmatic69> was on BT and could use the wifi at the chippy down the road. now i cant even use it in a different room :/
[14:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I replaced my parent's sky adsl modem router with a netgear one for a while. You can find out your password based upon your sky modem mac address!
[14:17] <dogmatic69> :D
[14:18] <dogmatic69> ive read loads of hacks about it, also have a netgear one waiting
[14:19] <bigcalm> Oh, intersting: http://philbridges.com/?p=42
[14:20] <popey> wow
[14:20] <popey> thats a security flaw
[14:21] <AlanBell> wow
[14:21] <bigcalm> *interesting
[14:21] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: nice, that is the simplest guide ive seen. ill try that tonight
[14:22] <bigcalm> Looks to be an old article - might no longer work
[14:22] <AlanBell> run arbitary busybox commands from a url string /o\
[14:23] <bigcalm> This is the one I used to get the adsl credentials for my parents': https://www.cm9.net/skypass/
[14:23] <dogmatic69> things like that are expected when there is 'username -= admin password = sky'
[14:24] <dogmatic69> what is the point of making the TOS to only use a sky router?
[14:24] <dogmatic69> what could you possibly do with some other router?
[14:24] <bigcalm> Well, means they only have to support selected models for a start
[14:25] <dogmatic69> i guess, but they are all about the same
[14:25] <dogmatic69> almost everyone has a netgear, and that is a netgear
[14:26] <gord> "almost everyone has a netgear" - no they don't
[14:28]  * MooDoo does :)
[14:28] <dogmatic69> everyone with sky does :{
[14:28] <dogmatic69> *:P
[14:28] <MooDoo> virgin here
[14:28]  * Laney coughs
[14:29] <MooDoo> behave
[14:29] <bigcalm> Oh my
[14:30] <diplo> Afternoon all
[14:31] <MooDoo> how do diplo
[14:33] <gord> was about to get angry at ubuntu until i realised i forgot to plug in the printers usb cord =\
[14:33] <MooDoo> cough cough plonker cough cough
[14:34] <gord> in my defence, it was still showing up in the print dialogue ;)
[14:34] <MooDoo> gord: you just woken up?
[14:34] <MooDoo> ;)
[14:37] <diplo> I have just had a request from my dad to sort some sort of camera I can link to there telly so mum can see the birds in the garden ( mums partially disabled ) any one have anything similar and recommend anything
[14:37] <diplo> Everything he has looked at so far is stupidly expensive
[14:37] <Azelphur> diplo: get a small computer and plug a webcam into it, you can do loads more than just the webcam thing with it too
[14:38] <diplo> yeah I've mentioned that to him already
[14:39] <diplo> Maybe have to push it :)
[14:39] <gord> popey^^ has some experience with this kinda stuff, minus the telly i believe
[14:40] <MooDoo> wasn't that more stop motion in his back garden
[14:40] <diplo> yeah I've done what popey has done, more to link in to the telly atm
[14:40] <diplo> With so many techs in here I guess someone may have done it already
[14:41] <diplo> I'm sure I've got some old Axis IP cams somewhere, may just have to do the media centre route and link her up to one of them.
[14:42] <popey> you want moving pictures piped to the telly?
[14:42] <popey> what distance is it?
[14:43] <diplo> Telly to read door, 15ft or so
[14:44] <gord> ha stop motion, i can see it now. posing for five minutes waiting for the camera to snap. moving slightly. posing for another five minutes...
[14:44] <Azelphur> diplo: makes sense, with one box you can have as many cameras as you want (different angles, front and back gardens, internet webcams of parks?)
[14:45] <Azelphur> and it can do any other things you might feel a desire too (DVR, Stream live TV to any computer in the house, Media/File server, Print server, are some of the things I have mine doing) \o/
[14:46] <Azelphur> desire for*
[14:46] <diplo> yeah been talking them into spending some of there cash, this may be the final calling :)
[14:47] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[14:48] <danfish> diplo
[14:49] <danfish> oops - diplo: try zoneminder -  maybe a bit OTT but works for me
[14:50] <diplo> Will take  a look now thanks
[14:50] <DJones> I know people like playing games, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15923438 this is taking the P!
[14:51] <danfish> DJones: badda-tish!
[14:51] <AlanBell> best place for Windows 7 embedded
[14:52] <MooDoo> PMSL
[14:52] <AlanBell> MooDoo: high score!
[14:53] <MooDoo> lol
[14:53] <DJones> I can just imagine somebody playing the skiing game shouting "wheeeeeee" as they go downhill
[14:54] <danfish> or "your flow rate's too low - go and see your doctor!"
[14:55] <MooDoo> hope there is no drumming game
[14:55] <MooDoo> drum hero - toilet edition
[14:57] <DJones> MooDoo: Even worse, demolition derby, you've got to swerve your car into your neighbours to knock them off the road...Squelch
[14:57] <MooDoo> ewwwwwwwwwwww
[14:58] <popey> diplo: I wouldnt get a webcam, I'd get a video camera, plug into the mains, point out the back window, run a composite (cheap, easy) cable from the camera to the telly and you're done
[14:58] <popey> all mum needs to do is choose the right input on the telly and she can watch as long as she likes
[14:59] <gord> if you get one of them that has those remote controls, she could zoom as well
[14:59] <bigcalm> The fun will be to set up a rotation device
[14:59] <DJones> hmmh,  my wifes NHS trust is giving all the staff toughbooks to keep notes on
[15:00] <danfish> DJones: uh-oh. That's gonna be a real smooth ride :/
[15:00] <popey> diplo: i have a friend who works for a company that make software for webcams for this purpose
[15:00] <popey> windows software sadly
[15:01] <DJones> danfish: Tell me about it, I'm glad I'm not supporting it
[15:02] <DJones> danfish: I'm more worried about the number of missing Toughbooks after week one (most of the staff work in the community) Things are always getting left behind at clients
[15:02] <danfish> DJones: plus car breakins when staff leave the toughbooks on the car seat....
[15:04] <gord> wouldn't a note pad do the job just as well?
[15:04] <gord> i still use notepads for notes
[15:05] <DJones> danfish: My wife won't be doing that, she left her handbag on the car seat a couple of weeks ago, one broken window, missing handbag & cash nicked out the bank account
[15:05] <DJones> gord: Have you seen medical staff's handwriting......
[15:06] <DJones> Most of it could be written in a cross between chinese & japanese
[15:07] <danfish> I like to throw in a little arabic as well ;)
[15:08] <DJones> Probably some Egyptian hyrogliphics around the edges, although could just be doodles
[15:09] <DJones> danfish: They were going to give them ipads but decided on the toughbooks
[15:10] <danfish> ipads would definitely walk!
[15:11] <DJones> Heh
[15:41] <oimon> had a great idea for a piece of software last night, but forgot it this morning :(
[15:41]  * daubers dislikes exams
[15:41] <oimon> i remember thinking it was brilliant
[15:42] <MooDoo> oimon: hypnotise your self into remmebering
[15:42] <MooDoo> daubers: no one likes exams
[15:45]  * daubers just failed his mod 2 :(
[15:45] <daubers> 1 silly mistake from nerves
[15:45] <daubers> stupid exams
[15:46] <MooDoo> mod 2?
[15:46] <daubers> second practical part of the motorbike test
[15:46] <MooDoo> bugger, i'm glad i took mine 20 years ago :)
[15:46] <daubers> bah
[15:47] <oimon> just saw an apple ad on the omgubuntu page :-\
[15:47] <daubers> Looking at getting a credit card now as that's the only bloody way I can afford to retake it
[15:49] <MooDoo> oimon: google ad?
[15:50] <oimon> MooDoo: yes, although large picture, not text
[15:50] <MooDoo> oimon: doesn't surprise me
[15:51] <oimon> no, lots of "ubuntu fans" are actually just mac lovers in disguise
[15:51] <MooDoo> people will still click it though
[16:13] <bigcalm> http://work.failblog.org/2011/11/28/job-fails-the-sad-tale-of-the-failiest-printer/
[16:13] <buzz_> haha
[16:14] <MooDoo> hehe
[16:16] <oimon> that's an ubuntu error, isn't it?
[16:16] <MooDoo> looking at the theme, quite possiblyu
[16:17] <oimon> bug 784 228
[16:17] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 784 in Launchpad itself "+duplicate page has wrong title" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784
[16:17] <oimon> bug 784228
[16:17] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 784228 in evince (Ubuntu) "evince fails to print PS file to PDF file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784228
[16:19] <oimon> someone hands me a laptop. i say software will be installed in 15 mins. then realise it's vista. 15 mins, and hasnt finished rebooting yet after explorer decided not to allow clicking on things
[16:20] <oimon> double-click action seems to be linked to the fan
[16:44] <monsterwizard> in IRSSI is it possible to use a script that automatically conntects to your fav channels and servers
[16:44] <brobostigon> monsterwizard: irssi can do that on start, on its own.
[16:45] <monsterwizard> oh
[16:45] <monsterwizard> lol
[16:45] <monsterwizard> oops
[16:45] <brobostigon> http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/irssi
[16:45] <brobostigon> good instructions.
[16:46] <monsterwizard> oh thanks buddy
[16:46] <brobostigon> youre welcome.
[16:46] <monsterwizard> feels better than xchat2
[16:47] <brobostigon> :)
[16:47] <brobostigon> also, vps + screen + irssi + bitlbee, is awfully nice, :)
[16:48] <gord> huh, if you have bitlbee, why would you need a vps+screen?
[16:49] <Laney> same reason you have irssi in screen?
[16:49] <andylockran> redundancy :p
[16:50] <brobostigon> bitlbee is also alittle useless without an irssi client, to connect to it, :)
[16:50] <gord> well the point i'm making is that bitlbee provides the same function of having irssi in screen, that is a permanent irc connection
[16:51] <chrisjrob> irssi without screen is like a fish out of water
[16:51] <brobostigon> so can irssi inside screen, do xmpp? or msn etc, without bitlbee?
[16:52] <chrisjrob> not to my knowledge, i understood bitlbee was the only way
[16:52] <brobostigon> exactly,
[16:52] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[16:52] <brobostigon> hence why that is why i have this setup.
[16:52] <chrisjrob> anyway, without screen people could be talking about you behind your back
[16:53]  * chrisjrob suffers from paranoia
[16:53] <chrisjrob> have to be connected 24/7 just in case
[16:54] <brobostigon> also, it means i can have all of that, there running, aslong as i have a ssh client. anytime anywhere.
[16:54] <brobostigon> very convinient, and not having to have seperate clients either. especially resource saving on my mobile.
[16:55] <MooDoo> chrisjrob: that's me, screen + irssi + AUTOLOG :)
[16:55] <monsterwizard> irssi is on android?
[16:55] <MooDoo> wouldn't have thought so, but anything is possible
[16:55] <brobostigon> monsterwizard: running insider screen on my vps, and i then connect to it, with connectbot, and android ssh client.
[16:56] <monsterwizard> oh sweet!
[16:56] <Myrtti> brobostigon: irssi connectbot I hope
[16:56] <monsterwizard> sounds awesomely geeky
[16:56] <brobostigon> Myrtti: most definatly. yes.
[16:56] <Myrtti> that's what I do, although I don't have a vps
[16:56]  * awilkins used to run irssi inside screen on his router and connect to it with SSH
[16:57] <awilkins> It negatively impacted the uptime of the router, I think the scrollback would accumulate and fill up the RAM
[16:57] <awilkins> These days I just limit myself to running IRC when I actually want to be present...
[16:58] <brobostigon> inside 6 odd months, irssi has sgefaulted once, due to a fault in a plugin, and that has been it, otherwise stable.
[16:58] <awilkins> Oh damn, train
[16:58] <Myrtti> I just pay 30EUR per year for a shell account that has my website as well
[16:59]  * Azelphur pays £95/mo for server space \o/
[16:59] <monsterwizard> oh god
[16:59] <monsterwizard> :9
[17:02] <brobostigon> monsterwizard: it is really very simple. and has loads of benefits, as we have descibed.
[17:05] <chrisjrob> MooDoo: glad to know I'm not alone in my insanity
[17:06] <chrisjrob> and yes, autologging :)
[17:06] <MooDoo> :D
[17:08] <chrisjrob> and what about irssi scripts...
[17:08] <chrisjrob> adv_windowlist.pl   hilightwin.pl  nicklist.pl  screen_away.pl  trackbar.pl  usercount.pl
[17:08] <chrisjrob> aspell_complete.pl  nickcolor.pl   rot13.pl     splitlong.pl    uniud.pl
[17:08] <chrisjrob> forgotten i even had some of those
[17:09] <chrisjrob> vapyhqvat ebg13
[17:09] <chrisjrob> :)
[18:53] <daubers> evening
[18:56] <mgdm> hi daubers
[18:56] <mgdm> what prompted your "AAAARGH" earlier?
[18:56] <daubers> mgdm: Failed bike test :(
[18:57] <mgdm> awww :(
[18:57] <daubers> More todo with frustration with myself than anything else
[19:20] <jutnux> Alright lads/ladettes.
[19:21] <jutnux> What do you think of the sc** of our country? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i47HoiM0Au8
[19:27]  * AlanBell thinks that is rather offtopic
[19:41] <czajkowski> chrisjrob: you're not insane at all :p
[19:41] <jutnux> AlanBell: Not much in here is ontopic ;)
[19:54] <directhex> cake is on topic
[19:54] <directhex> this is mainly a channel for discussion of baking recipes
[19:59]  * MartijnVdS is now officially a Geek®
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> I've ordered a patch panel for my home
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> pah MartijnVdS - I've had a patch panel and 16 port 100Mbps switch in my house since 2000 :-) (House was flood wired with CAT5e in 1999.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I wired the house with Cat5e when I moved in, 6 years ago
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I just terminated the wires in RJ-45 connectors instead of a patch panel
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> so I have a cupboard full of wires, which I hate
[20:15] <dutchie> any folks have any clues why my shiny new build won't boot off a usb stick
[20:15] <directhex> boot order isn't set to prioritize usb?
[20:15] <dutchie> it will boot, sorry
[20:16] <dutchie> i was not particularly clear what "won't boot" means
[20:16] <dutchie> i get a load of dmesg-looking stuff scrolling past, ending with stuff about sdb and attaching a scsi removable disk
[20:17] <dutchie> though scrolling up a bit reveals a kernel oops :(
[20:17] <dutchie> "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at<PHONE_NUMBER>0"
[20:20] <mgdm> oooh, exciting
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> eeeek
[20:21] <dutchie> how helpful of you two :P
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: when in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout :)
[20:21] <dutchie> heh
[20:22] <dutchie> i think it may be nouveau's fault
[20:23] <dutchie> is there some boot option magic i can force the proprietary drivers with?
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> do you have them installed/compiled?
[20:27] <dutchie> i just made a default amd64 11.10 usb stick, the disk in there has nothing resembling an os on it
[20:27] <Pernig> rdblacklist=nouveau works on fedora
[20:27] <Pernig> if you type that into your boot options
[20:28] <Pernig> can't remember if that's what to do for Ubuntu though
[20:28] <Pernig> maybe 'nomodeset'
[20:29] <dutchie> aha, nomodeset is an improvement
[20:29] <dutchie> yay, i have a desktop
[20:31] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:31] <Pernig> hi MooDoo
[22:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2012 Announced - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/28/community-leadership-summit-2012-announced/
[22:26] <andylockran> http://www.pingtest.net/result/51462050.png
[22:26] <andylockran> anyone give me any tips on this?
[22:26] <gordonjcp> move house?
[22:26] <andylockran> Connection just seems awful, when I remove the router it's normally much better..
[22:28] <andylockran> Doesn't make much sense to me though - any recommendations/thing to look out for
[22:29] <AlanBell> andylockran: wired or wireless connection to your router?
[22:29] <andylockran> AlanBell: currently wireless
[22:29]  * AlanBell has a computer with a really rubbish wireless usb dongle
[22:29] <andylockran> I'm using my macbook
[22:29] <AlanBell> drops loads of packets and is slow
[22:30] <andylockran> don't seem to get it elsewhere, only at home.
[22:30] <andylockran> but virgin man made me connect direct
[22:30] <andylockran> and it worked better
[22:30] <andylockran> do VM do anything to their 'own brand' wireless routers (though I believe them to be Netgear too) ?
[22:31] <AlanBell> do "mtr ubuntu.com" for a minute or so
[22:31] <AlanBell> and then do the same when plugged in via a wire
[22:31] <andylockran> when I do that I get packet loss on the edge of the virgin network most the time
[22:33] <andylockran> tweeted you
[22:40] <Myrtti> oh boo
[22:40] <Myrtti> Skype crashes on login on the tablet
[22:40] <Myrtti> this is not amusing
[22:49] <AlanBell> andylockran: eww, nasty
[23:02] <popey> ☺
[23:03] <mgdm> I have no idea how you type Unicode chars on a Mac :(
[23:10]  * AlanBell declares quicksynergy to be rather awesome
[23:10] <AlanBell> !info quicksynergy
[23:10] <lubotu3`> quicksynergy (source: quicksynergy): GUI for easy configuration of Synergy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-1 (natty), package size 24 kB, installed size 176 kB
[23:10] <AlanBell> it lets you use your mouse and keyboard across multiple computers next to each other
[23:13] <Azelphur> AlanBell: hehe, I was using that about 5 years ago :)
[23:14] <Azelphur> it is cool, though
[23:18] <AlanBell> not mind blowing stuff, but I keep finding I am typing stuff on the wrong keyboard so it would be less confusing for me


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