[01:47] <diddledan> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-DC-DRM-No
[04:18] <diddledan> wat: https://github.com/plasma-umass/browsix
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, happy Anti-Corruption Day, and happy lost+found Day! 😁
[09:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV4oYkIeGJc think this is apt if only for the video :)
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:36] <Gargoyle> mornin
[10:40] <brobostigon> morning
[13:43] <m0nkey_> Huh, seems my city as of today is now a metropolis.
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> your commute is now upgraded from pleasent trip to dystopian nightmare...
[13:52] <m0nkey_> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-proposes-greater-autonomy-grants-metropolis-status-for-montreal-1.3888329
[13:52] <m0nkey_> It was already a nightmare
[13:55] <ali1234> can i transfer a domain to someone who's email address is @ that domain?
[14:01] <m0nkey_> Yes
[14:02] <m0nkey_> During the transfer you can tell the new registrar to keep the existing DNS
[14:17] <ali1234> i dont want to change the registrar
[14:17] <ali1234> i want to change the owner
[14:18] <ali1234> example: i own foo.com
[14:18] <ali1234> i create a new user account at my registrar with email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:18] <ali1234> then i transfer ownership of foo.com to stupiduser
[14:19] <ali1234> of course stupiduser is just me, but with a different email and postal address
[14:26] <Mak_Trefa> прив всем
[14:26] <Mak_Trefa> кто-нить знает, чем в лине можно SSD прогнать на востановление с HFS+ разделом?
[14:26] <foobarry> Mak_Trefa: uk = United Kingdom
[14:27] <Seeker`> I'm sure there used to be a factoid about that
[14:27] <Seeker`> !ukraine
[14:27] <foobarry> !uk
[14:27] <lubotu3`> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> hiberno english also acceptible :-)
[14:27] <ali1234> !ua
[14:28] <Mak_Trefa> sorry
[14:28] <foobarry> net problemo
[14:28] <Seeker`> !ru
[14:28] <lubotu3`> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.
[14:29] <foobarry> ya lublu morozhenoe
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> it is a beautiful alphabet mind...
[14:29] <m0nkey_> да
[14:30] <m0nkey_> Also.. Так
[14:31] <m0nkey_> Це не український канал
[14:32] <m0nkey_> k, back to work for m e
[14:33] <m0nkey_> *me
[15:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:14] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi
[15:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, right that's me happy for now :)  someone around here  wanted to buy a  new cd player for some rason, but bought a buetooth boombox .  so that's a cd player, a radio,  and all with a nice pair of spakers, and yes the bluetooth. so listening to music from tablet on it now :)
[17:27] <diddledan> lol @ alexa hijacking in ubuntu podcast to send tweets saying how great the ubuntu podcast is :-p
[17:33] <diddledan> god this is bad: https://twitter.com/ericlaw/status/807276698559516677
[17:33] <diddledan> from a gov website no less!
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> well with all the other spying on your actions online, what's a few more criminals?
[17:38] <daftykins> oof, 5 mile ride severely kicked my posterior today
[17:39] <daftykins> Packard Hell still exist! https://www.dropbox.com/s/9uydhwpfxzg07yf/IMG_20161209_134411.jpg?dl=0
[17:40] <diddledan> yeesh
[17:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwht3jkyo84wfwh/IMG_20161209_134422.jpg?dl=0
[17:40] <daftykins> crazy SFF style unit there
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> first pc i got my brother was a packard bell... cheap, solid and shipped with all the software and hardware he'd ever neeed
[17:42] <daftykins> win 3.11 and solitaire? :D
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> win me :-D x2
[17:42] <daftykins> wow you must really not have got on!
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> it gave no grief till he started using it online in a location where his phone line was split with a neightbour so struggled to get 28k
[17:44] <daftykins> oof
[17:45] <daftykins> i was really jealous of the lady today, she's practically opposite the parish exchange, so her VDSL line syncs at 82Mb down and 32Mb up
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> at least with me as it was win 9x you could rip put every virus with just a boot disk... when i upgraded it to win2000 to make a new printer work it got a lot harder to keep going
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> that's when he got a mac
[17:45] <daftykins> eww. hope you insult that at every opportunity
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> at 28k the 5mb download twice a week of av updates got cancelled constantly
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> the mac wasn't infected every week needing a reinstall from scratch
[17:47] <daftykins> nor would a Windows machine in the right hands, but so it goes.
[17:47] <daftykins> must've been a fan of the naughty side of the tubes...
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> that's when he began his evil plan to get broadband... he rang them once a month till it was installed.... just over a year iirc... he can be _very_ persistent
[17:47] <daftykins> same brother that had the words with the supermarket exit driver fella? :)
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[17:48] <daftykins> :D
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> he has a gift....
[17:52] <diddledan> so cure: https://anki.com/en-us/cozmo
[17:52] <diddledan> cute*
[18:32] <m0nkey_> Guys, I need a new phone.  I sort of like the iPhone
[18:38] <daftykins> how can you do dev and be ok with their evil moves?
[18:38] <diddledan> daftykins: because baa
[18:39] <diddledan> :-p
[18:39] <daftykins> what are the sheep's feelings on the matter?
[18:39] <diddledan> he has no choice, I cornered him
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> any iphone as long as it's white
[18:39] <diddledan> I'm somewhat intrigued by the daydream vr thingy but don't think I'd use it
[18:40] <daftykins> i've just been handed a brand-spankin' Dell XPS 13 9360, the kaby lake edition (intel i5 gen 7)
[18:40] <diddledan> *drool*
[18:40] <m0nkey_> Thing is, an iPhone tends to just work. Pretty much any accessory will.
[18:40] <m0nkey_> Also, it has the added bonus of being compatible with my car head unit.
[18:41] <daftykins> and you use how many?
[18:41] <m0nkey_> I just a few bluetooth thingies
[18:41] <daftykins> just don't forget to subtract headphones from that list sans-adapter ;)
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> it just works, as long as you do things the apple way and are prepared to keep following their lead
[18:41] <diddledan> adapter comes in the box
[18:41] <m0nkey_> Heh, headphone are already bluetooth. I couldn't give a m0nkey_ about not having a headphone jack.
[18:42] <diddledan> plus they give you a pair of lightning headphones too
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> i believe people lose the adapter quite easily
[18:42]  * m0nkey_ uses his big ass Bluetooth headphones
[18:42] <daftykins> i suppose folk who don't care for quality use the stock ones
[18:42] <diddledan> >.<
[18:42] <m0nkey_> Which are quite warm during the brisk Canadian winter days
[18:43]  * zmoylan-pi also uses big headphones on cold days to keep my ears warm
[18:43] <daftykins> well, seems that despite you asking your mind is already made up!
[18:43] <daftykins> :)
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> the need for real headphones over bt might only be a valid argument if there is good fm radio available in canada
[18:47] <daftykins> well i would personally never even consider wireless tech for such a job
[18:47] <diddledan> did anyone spot this link I mentioned in the darkest hours of the night: https://github.com/plasma-umass/browsix
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> one weird thing i have had happen with bt is that sometimes in aldi and lidl they tried to connect to their staff headset intercom thingy
[18:50] <daftykins> "would zmoylan-phone please come to customer service for a swift clout 'round the ear 'ole"
[18:52] <daftykins> i got a right dirty look from the supermarket checkout lady out in the furthest parish today, must've been disapproving of my coming from 'so far' away :)
[18:53] <daftykins> sort of League of Gentlemen moment
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> just as long as you get out of there before sunset...
[18:54] <daftykins> oh i did, no bike lights on me so i had to hurry away!
[18:54] <daftykins> could've gone to the cinema had i had them on me - quite keen to see The Arrival but i see they've stopped showing it already :|
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> cycling in winter without lights...
[18:55] <daftykins> yeah, i got home in light hours still so it was fine
[18:55] <daftykins> i was quite unlucky because the batteries i had in one had leaked the white goodness and ruined the whole unit i discovered the other day
[18:56] <zmoylan-pi> i haven't had alkaline batteries leak in years..
[18:56] <daftykins> i've had a batch of 4 Duracell all do it just in the last month :(
[18:56] <zmoylan-pi> check that they are genuine duracells?
[18:57] <daftykins> finished the pack now
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> one of the main reason i bought them was they guaranteed no leaks
[18:57] <diddledan> those energizer adverts are misleading: how many zinc batteries do you see in the shops at all these days let alone buy?
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> when i used them in psion and palm it was super important to me
[18:57] <diddledan> "we last much longer than a battery you can't buy"
[18:58] <daftykins> maybe back in the day they advertised homo-sapiens over neanderthals in the same way
[18:59] <diddledan> "homo sapiens have much more brainpower than the leading homo erectus"
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> 20% usage in uk... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc%E2%80%93carbon_battery#History
[19:03] <m0nkey_> I think I've decided.
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> windows phone \o/
[19:03] <m0nkey_> Baaah
[19:04] <diddledan> oh he's sheeping it, \o/ for apple!
[19:04] <diddledan> :-p
[19:04] <diddledan> >:)
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> no love for blackberry
[19:04] <diddledan> <insert evil emoticon here>
[19:04] <m0nkey_> the DTEK-60 is interesting
[19:06] <daftykins> the whaaa?
[19:06] <diddledan> m0nkey_: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JBBM92G/ref=s9_zgift_hd_bw_b35SnbL_g23_i3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_r=NG0294FZ1GPTA3XEAWD0&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=2a4b8882-fc45-557f-ab4e-13303a876d88&pf_rd_i=2829144031
[19:07] <diddledan> eww @ amazon links
[19:07] <m0nkey_> Couple of reasons for iSheep. 1) Car, plug-in and go. Works seamlessly with the head unit. 2) Don't use Gmail, I use plain IMAP hosted by FastMail, they support push on the iDevice. 3) Couldn't give a hoot about the lack of headphone jack. I use bluetooth headphones. :)
[19:07] <daftykins> well you only need up to the / before 'ref=' :)
[19:07] <m0nkey_> diddledan, awesome.
[19:09] <daftykins> i suppose on the plus side you fit even better as new-shauno now, m0nkey_ ;D
[19:09] <m0nkey_> True
[19:09] <m0nkey_> Until the day I rage quit.
[19:09] <daftykins> it's ok, we'll reign in zmoylan-pi :>
[19:10] <diddledan> you're all lucky that I'm never rage quitting!
[19:10] <diddledan> or should that be "fated"
[19:12] <daftykins> nobody else will take you 8D
[19:12] <diddledan> well that's true
[19:16] <m0nkey_> I gotta go shovel the snow. Back later.
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> he's just stepping outside, he may be some time...
[19:17] <m0nkey_> If I'm not back in 20 minutes. Just wait longer.
[19:18]  * daftykins sets the clock
[19:18] <daftykins> i'll make it 32 minutes, 'cause that's how long until the cylons catch up again </BSG>
[19:18]  * zmoylan-pi allows for 5 minutes moose tax
[19:18] <diddledan> daftykins: I was thinking exactly the same
[19:18] <daftykins> 8D
[19:49] <diddledan> http://darkpatterns.org/
[19:50] <diddledan> this one is sky: http://darkpatterns.org/skys-marketing-preferences-puzzle/
[19:51] <knightwise> morning
[19:52] <daftykins> o/
[19:52] <knightwise> daftykins: I love that reference to the clock
[19:52] <knightwise> reminds me i could probably rewatch BSG-reboot
[19:53] <daftykins> :D i was only reminded of it from snagging season 1 in bluray and skipping through the first episode a bit
[19:53]  * knightwise needs to setup his linux laptop for the wife tonight
[19:53] <knightwise> gonna borrow her macbookpro for the weekend
[19:53] <daftykins> D:
[19:53] <knightwise> So wifewife is going to be using the xps13 with elementary
[19:54]  * davmor2 setups up mr blobby, agadoo, pineapple pen, stutter rap, shut up your face, chicken song and startreking on a loop that only stops when diddledan rage quits, muhahahahahahahahahahaha I know how to be evil
[19:54] <knightwise> Star Trekking !
[19:54] <knightwise> Mr blobby rules
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> across the universe
[19:54]  * knightwise misses noels house party
[19:54] <daftykins> knightwise: i'm setting up a brand new XPS 13 9360 tonight :)
[19:55] <knightwise> Wicked
[19:55] <davmor2> knightwise: yeah but come on did you hear the song
[19:55] <knightwise> touchscreen version  .?
[19:55] <knightwise> the blobby song ?
[19:55]  * knightwise has to youtube that
[19:55] <daftykins> i said to a client that he could save upwards of £300 for a 9350 off the Dell Outlet, but he was impatient so brand new 9360 it was - £916 delivered here in tax free lands
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> if you want good scifi get babylon 5
[19:55] <knightwise> daftykins: and now you have to put vista on it
[19:55] <knightwise> yeah , bab5 is also great
[19:56] <davmor2> quick everyone hide the knives, ropes and shoelaces while knightwise listens to mr blobby on youtube
[19:56] <daftykins> nah not touch screen, i5/8GB/256GB/FHD model - best for battery life
[19:56] <knightwise> me also loves space1999
[19:56] <knightwise> I have the same versiond
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> season 1 or 2?
[19:56] <knightwise> Season 1
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> season 1 is better
[19:57] <knightwise> true, Anderson quit after season 1 , because the americans wanted more cheap spacemonsters
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> and the design of the eagle is still one of the best spaceships ever to make it to tv
[19:57] <knightwise> Agreed
[19:58] <knightwise> basically its the space version of a ford transit
[19:58] <knightwise> durable, hardworking and utilitarian
[19:58] <zmoylan-pi> and so good it made it into red dwarf...
[19:58] <knightwise> Now there is a show I never got
[19:59] <diddledan> babylon 5 is probably the best of 90s scifi
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> red dwarf is awesome, at least up till season 6
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> split between ds9 and babylon 5
[19:59] <m0nkey_> Time?
[19:59] <diddledan> time!
[20:00] <diddledan> 19:17 - 19:59 = 42 minutes
[20:00] <knightwise> just watched all seasons of ds9 again
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> 43 minutes...
[20:00] <m0nkey_> Really?
[20:00] <diddledan> is DS9 on netfix yet?
[20:00] <knightwise> yep
[20:00] <m0nkey_> diddledan, yes it is.
[20:00] <davmor2> knightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNkgDJpcuwU
[20:01] <diddledan> davmor2: you complete bar steward!
[20:01] <m0nkey_> Well, I did do the extra scrape all the icy crap, move the car to clear the snow underneath.
[20:01] <diddledan> that's evil!
[20:01] <knightwise> Oh man thats bad
[20:01] <knightwise> Running linux on my chromebook and i'm using the opera vpn client to watch that video :)
[20:02] <knightwise> Now thats evil ;à
[20:02] <davmor2> diddledan: you're welcome I'll make you rage quit I'm that evil muhahahahahaha
[20:02] <diddledan> :-p
[20:03]  * davmor2 hugs diddledan
[20:03] <diddledan> \o/
[20:03] <knightwise> brb, walking home
[20:03] <davmor2> anyway guys and gals have a wonderful weekend
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[20:03] <diddledan> roger, wilco
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> over, dunne
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrRdy4BAYp0
[20:05] <m0nkey_> Technically, Dunn was under Oveur and I was under Dunn.
[20:05] <m0nkey_> So, you see, both Dunn and I were under Oveur, even though I was under Dunn.
[20:06] <diddledan> love those movies
[20:18] <m0nkey_> ugh, trying to run portsnap on my bsd box, the mirror is so damn slow
[20:20] <daftykins> have i mentioned how great Apple software is on Windows, lately?
[20:20] <daftykins> right now you need to manually run Apple Software Update, to update Apple Software Update, so it can get the latest Apple Software Update, so then you can update iTunes!
[20:20] <daftykins> \o/
[20:21] <diddledan> daftykins: iTunes on my insiders build is b0rked
[20:21] <diddledan> it starts fine but about a minute after opening it crashes
[20:22] <daftykins> oh no that's normal ;)
[20:22] <diddledan> :-p
[20:23] <daftykins> not looking forward to being asked how to use this Dell :(
[20:23] <daftykins> it's one of *those* types of clients :P
[20:24] <knightwise> i HATE itunes
[20:25] <daftykins> good man!
[20:25] <daftykins> sometimes i run into it on folks' machines
[20:25] <daftykins> i think Apple do it on purpose, it's either Quicktime or iTunes that actually overtook Java as the most exploited-when-unpatched program on Windows boxes
[20:27] <diddledan> not many folk use java these days. it seems to only be used by android devs and anyone running an ide like eclipse or jetbrains thingies
[20:27] <diddledan> there's nothing written in java that targets the consumer afaict these days
[20:28] <daftykins> didn't openoffice install it typically? i keep finding it on some folks machines that really shouldn't need it and that seemed to be the only commonality
[20:29] <diddledan> yeah, there's some bits of oo/libre office suites that use it but I don't think it's a hard dependency
[20:29] <diddledan> at least not anymore
[20:31] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vzx2q4vo1s1563/IMG-20161209-WA0005.jpg?dl=0
[20:31] <diddledan> bikes
[20:31] <diddledan> lots of bikes
[20:31] <daftykins> my friend is doing a sorta charity thing with work where they manage and distribute a tonne o' bikes for school kids :>
[20:31] <diddledan> aah
[20:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> f
[20:55] <foobarry> my wife is watching the worst thing i've ever seen
[20:56] <foobarry> hairspray live show itv2. truly vomitous
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> foobarry, what's that? mght be what I am watching
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> foobarry, yep bingo same here, but that's since I got a litle 15 year old brother, who well he's got the show host to play in Aprl ro so
[20:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> foobarry, where I live about all it's good for or kind of is amature drama groups,  some rubbish pubs, schools and a lesiure centre
[20:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and some places kind of ok to walk a dog
[20:57] <daftykins> ouch!
[20:58] <foobarry> i feel ill
[20:58] <daftykins> so glad i don't have a significant other who likes crap on TV
[20:58] <daftykins> my cat can't even operate the remote! 8D
[20:58] <foobarry> its truly shocking
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> foobarry, why's that?
[20:59] <foobarry> it's my kryptonite
[20:59] <foobarry> i cannot stand musicals
[20:59] <foobarry> and this is the epitome of terrible tv
[21:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, heh I been trying to get some girl to like me online, she likes stuff like that
[21:00]  * brobostigon also gets to endure crap tv, ie soaps with his fiance, the things a man has to cope with for love. right?
[21:00] <foobarry> i have such low tolerance for such drivel
[21:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> foobarry, you typical guy you h eh
[21:00] <foobarry> except i don't like action cheese that she likes
[21:00] <daftykins> foobarry: did you escape into another room or are you in front of it now the wifi is behaving? ;)
[21:00] <foobarry> like avengers, star trek etc
[21:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> brobostigon,  h eh :)
[21:01] <foobarry> i prefer stuff with a story
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> there's always dr. horribles sing along blog... :-)
[21:01] <brobostigon> SebthreeBQM10HD: :)
[21:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> foobarry, well where I live as I put above....
[21:05] <daftykins> i truly think 3DTVs missed out on a trick there...
[21:05] <daftykins> ignore the 3D part, but have the specs be capable of tuning into one of two 2D programs based on the shutters, then headphones for everyone - yay two programs for one TV \o/
[21:06] <brobostigon> ST:VOY-vr'3d, :)
[21:06] <brobostigon> the borg, in v3-3d, eeek
[21:07] <brobostigon> vr*
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> brobostigon, so which soaps you like :D ?
[21:10] <brobostigon> none.
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what she make you watch then :D ?
[21:11] <brobostigon> emmerdale, eastenders, doctors, coronation street.
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and not a sap
[21:12] <daftykins> that's my hell right there
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sap
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bu the x facter to?
[21:12] <foobarry> found a nit in my hair
[21:12]  * brobostigon agrees with daftykins wholeheartedly.
[21:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and  britains got talent, again not  soap, bu that to?
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah, dr. horribles sing along blog is on youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of9kHpCv1ts
[21:15] <foobarry> think i'm due a lifetime of checking for nits while my kids are in school
[21:16] <daftykins> time to go nuclear on foobarry's scalp
[21:16] <daftykins> you might be uninvited from the #ubuntu-uk Christmas party now though ;)
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> or napalm...
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> he can guide santas sled to a safe landing with a napalm head...
[21:18] <foobarry> is it a virtual party?
[21:18] <daftykins> so far, yep ;)
[21:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins is queen santa
[21:18] <daftykins> m0nkey_: oh don't forget to avoid the intel radio chips in the iPhones, they perform slowly
[22:26] <daftykins> alrighty i'm falling asleep already, g'night all \o
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> o/


[01:19] <IiLuminated> some project got open sourced http://code.google.com/p/macaw/ and http://drpetter.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=musagi&action=display&thread=82
[03:06]  * mwhudson lunches
[03:29] <lifeless> is there a standard environment variable for selecting EDGE/STAGING for API clients ?
[04:10] <thumper> today seems to be full of fail
[04:17] <thumper> mwhudson: do you know of a list like object that is fed by a generator but reusable?
[04:18]  * thumper tries something
[04:19] <mwhudson> thumper: there might be something in itertools
[04:29] <thumper> mwhudson: look sane enough? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/412900/
[04:30] <thumper> mwhudson: if I were to put that into the launchpad tree, where should it go?
[04:31] <lifeless> thumper: so, queued status doesn't seem to have any major side effects
[04:31] <thumper> cool
[04:31] <lifeless> thumper: are you happy with my using that on production ?
[04:31] <thumper> if you break it, you fix it, how does that sound?
[04:32] <lifeless> I'm not in the DBA group anymore
[04:32] <lifeless> or I'd say yes,
[04:34] <lifeless> thumper: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/561160 would seem to be a blocker
[04:34] <mup> Bug #561160: API: 'Code failed to merge' setting doesn't work <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/561160>
[04:35] <thumper> lifeless: heh
[04:35] <thumper> lifeless: convince jml that queues are a priority and I'll get it all working
[04:37] <lifeless> thumper: slack time :)
[04:37] <thumper> heh
[04:37] <lifeless> thumper: do you have any thoughts about 561160 ?
[04:37] <thumper> yes
[04:40] <mwhudson> thumper: looks neat enough, probably lp.services.utils
[04:40] <thumper> mwhudson: I've added an extra fix for when it hits completion
[04:40] <thumper> mwhudson: shorter and simpler than the active state example
[04:41] <lifeless> thumper: and your thoughts were ?
[04:41] <thumper> lifeless: it is a trivial fix
[04:42] <lifeless> cool
[04:45] <lifeless> thumper: does that imply you'll do the trivial fix ?
[04:45] <thumper> not right now, no
[04:45] <thumper> I'm in the middle of three other things
[04:45] <lifeless> Oh, I wasn't meaning instantly
[04:47] <thumper> in which case, yes probably
[05:05] <lifeless> is https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting still accurate about the supported versions?
[05:07] <wgrant> It's Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic, and Lucid most of the time, though it sometimes breaks for a few hours, and two tests fail.
[05:08] <lifeless> so the page is stale ?
[05:09] <wgrant> In that Lucid should probably be added? Yes.
[05:12] <lifeless> ugh wow
[05:12] <lifeless> 650MB of pacakes rocketfuel-setup wants to isntall
[05:13] <wgrant> lifeless: Disable Recommends installation.
[05:14] <wgrant> (add '-o Apt::Install-Recommends=false' to the apt-get command-line)
[05:14] <lifeless> does that work for aptitude command line too ?
[05:15] <wgrant> Hopefully.
[05:15] <jtv> hi folks
[05:15] <wgrant> Morning jtv.
[05:16] <lifeless> much better
[05:16] <lifeless> perhaps that should be in rocketfuel-setup ?
[05:18] <wgrant> Patches welcome :P
[05:22] <spm> wgrant: I have to ask. how long have you been waiting to throw that line back at lifeless? ;-) months? years...?
[05:22] <wgrant> spm: Heh heh.
[05:23] <spm> must have worked. he's speechless. /me records the moment for posterity. something to tell the grandkids. "Yes, I was there when lifeless was rendered speechless."
[05:24] <wgrant> But yes, seriously, I can't think of a reason not to have it in there.
[05:25] <spm> sounds good to me as well; if anyone cares...
[05:27] <lifeless> wgrant: rs=lifeless
[05:27] <lifeless> spm: what were you saying about speechless?   You were speechless.
[05:28] <wgrant> rs='really speechless'?
[05:28] <lifeless> lol
[06:52] <mwhudson> thumper: http://staging.launchpadlibrarian.net/42124669/mwhudson-linux-trunk.log <- log with my latest branch from the kernel import
[06:53] <thumper> mwhudson: it still took over an hour to get the branch?
[06:54] <mwhudson> "Getting exising bzr branch from central store." step took an hour :(
[06:54] <mwhudson> thumper: looks like it
[06:54] <thumper> 2010-04-12 03:04:41 INFO    29134781 bytes transferred | Fetching revisions:Inserting stream
[06:54] <thumper> 2010-04-12 03:27:01 INFO    Fetching revisions:Finishing stream
[06:54] <mwhudson> there's 20 minutes at the end of that step without output, dunno what's happening there
[06:54] <thumper> what happens there?
[06:54] <mwhudson> thumper: jinx!
[06:55]  * thumper EODs
[06:55] <thumper> good work though
[06:56] <mwhudson> thumper: the import should complete overnight, i think
[06:57] <mwhudson> then we can see how long the scanner takes to process it, that'll be good for a laugh
[07:00] <wgrant> Why does the 'N bytes transferred' not increase? Is that only the volume transferred between messages?
[07:00] <mwhudson> wgrant: something like that yes
[07:00] <mwhudson> i actually forget the details
[07:07] <lifeless> mwhudson: repack on the server
[07:07] <lifeless> mwhudson: perhaps
[07:08] <mwhudson> lifeless: it's fetching over sftp
[07:08] <lifeless> mwhudson: ok, not that then.
[07:08] <wgrant> Is the slowness also perhaps attributable to strawberry being slow?
[07:09] <mwhudson> wgrant: some of it, yeah
[07:35] <lifeless> spm: is there a standard for LP API credential files for services you maintain ?
[07:36] <spm> lifeless: I'm not sure I appreciate the question? we deal with SSL certs - so I suspect you mean something else. Client side by implication? if Y, not that I'm aware of. we/losas have very little interaction with the API's.
[07:36] <lifeless> spm: oauth cred files
[07:37] <lifeless> spm: e.g. PQM, tarmac, other scripts that run and speak to LP API's
[07:37] <lifeless> do you like to have the cached credentials files that they need in some specific place ?
[07:38] <spm> short answer is they don't talk to the LP api's - again aiui; they're using ssh specific keys where we need to split user access. ???
[07:38] <lifeless> spm: ok, weirdd ;)
[07:38] <spm> legacy? :-)
[07:38] <spm> keep in mind we were having to do this stuff before the api's existed.
[07:39] <spm> actually i can only think of 1 method where we do access the api's - killing spam in bugs - and that's a pita to use.
[07:41] <spm> PIA, more from a work flow perspective. request: "pls delete spam <url>" so we click on the url; verify it's spam. ssh to server X; sudo; setup api env; lookup docco on how to do this... ; run funky api command/login; disabled spam. Yukness.
[07:41] <lifeless> spm: yes, I hate that too.
[07:41] <spm> i personally find it easier to switch to DB and do it in sql... less faffing around.
[07:42] <lifeless> spm: however, it is the blessed be official way to do stuff
[07:42] <lifeless> spm: I figure documenting the path the creds file at should make it marginally easier
[07:42] <spm> tho - from a pqm/etc perspective where we are scripting large amounts of "stuff" - there may be a case to do stuff in the API.... hrm....
[07:42] <lifeless> spm: but perhaps you should also have a LP bug
[07:43] <lifeless> 'create credentials for remote server with no browser hurts my bwain'
[07:43] <spm> I am a sysadmni of very little brain, so the hurt is correspondingly smaller
[07:43] <lifeless> spm: will it break you if I have a new PQM to deploy tomorrow that used LP API's ?
[07:44] <lifeless> spm: we'd like to attach the error messages so that everyone can see the failure, not just the person that hit the big green button.
[07:44] <spm> for bzr? probably - or rather *possibly*. we'd need to split the other users on the same box. I don't anticipate major drams.
[07:44] <lifeless> spm: shouldn't need to split any users
[07:44] <lifeless> spm: I can make the creds file a PQM config option
[07:45] <spm> ahh, k.
[07:45] <lifeless> spm: this is why I'm discussing it with you
[07:45] <lifeless> spm: to know what you need
[07:45] <spm> I'd want to ok with the 2nd group - we can't break them. Tho I suspect they'd be sympathetic.
[07:45] <lifeless> they are ?
[07:45] <spm> U1 :-)
[07:46] <lifeless> I'll mail statik now
[07:46] <spm> LS are configured, but not activly using
[07:46] <spm> lifeless: cc losas@ pls too. if only so the other guys get a heads up.
[07:46] <lifeless> c.c ?
[07:46] <spm> aye
[07:46] <lifeless> with or without s ?
[07:47] <spm> um....
[07:47] <spm> with :-)
[07:47] <lifeless> I have both in my mail client :P
[07:47] <spm> ha. wonder if without works....
[07:48] <spm> Ahh that may go to just tom. as that's his title: losa of the losa's (apostrophe for clarity)
[07:48] <lifeless> oh man
[07:48] <spm> the 'l' is severely overloaded these days
[07:48] <lifeless> don't say that aloud
[07:48] <spm> heh, esp in a bad kiwi accent?
[08:00] <lifeless> running make schema I get
[08:00] <lifeless> ImportError: No module named tickcount
[08:00] <lifeless> in a new setup following the current dev howto
[08:00] <lifeless> on lucid
[08:00] <lifeless> any advice ?
[08:15] <noodles775> lifeless: yep, I think you're missing python-support from the launchpad ppa?
[08:21] <adeuring> good morning
[08:22] <al-maisan> Good morning noodles775 and adeuring
[08:22] <adeuring> hi al-maisan, hi noodles775!
[08:22] <noodles775> Hi al-maisan and adeuring
[08:40] <mwhudson> holy ****: the kernel import completed!
[08:41] <mwhudson> spm: is the puller running on tellurium, or is it broked by the config changes?
[08:42] <spm> i'd have thought the fix universal on tellurium... checking...
[08:42] <mwhudson> it which case it probably is actually running
[08:43] <spm> ahh. the failed staging restores leave the maint file in place
[08:43] <jelmer> mwhudson: \o/
[08:43] <spm> mwhudson: should be working again RSN
[08:44] <spm> mwhudson: which server? pear? or strawberry?
[08:45] <mwhudson> spm: strawberry
[08:45] <spm> holy ****!!!
[08:45] <mwhudson> i guess the first pull will take ~1 hour
[08:45] <spm> mwhudson: can we remove that bug report from against jelmer now this is working? :-P
[08:46]  * mwhudson really has to go eat before his stomach implodes
[08:47] <lifeless> noodles775: isn't rocketfuel-setup meant to do that ?
[08:47] <lifeless> noodles775: I have the PPA python-support
[08:47] <lifeless> where should I file a bug saying that the python-tickccount package wasn't brought in ?
[08:48] <noodles775> lifeless: yes it should, and I think a bug was reported recently... hopefully you'll find it :)
[08:48]  * noodles775 has a quick look
[08:48] <maxb> Is launchpad-developer-dependencies actually still installed?
[08:49] <maxb> Most (all?) of the problems people seem to be having are with the ubuntu upgrader removing it
[08:49] <lifeless>   Installed: 0.71
[08:49] <lifeless> maxb: this is a fresh developer configuration in a new vm
[08:50] <maxb> launchpad-dependencies: Depends: .... python2.5-tickcount ...
[08:50] <lifeless> thats broken
[08:50] <lifeless> should be python-tickcount
[08:51] <maxb> no, really, it's correct
[08:51] <lifeless> python version deps went out back before hardy
[08:51] <lifeless> $ apt-cache search -- -tickcount
[08:51] <lifeless> python-tickcount - a python module to access the python interpreter tickcount.
[08:51] <lifeless> there is a provides -
[08:51] <lifeless> Provides: python2.6-tickcount
[08:52] <maxb> Huh... sounds like you don't have the PPA version
[08:52] <lifeless> I have the PPA version
[08:52] <maxb> well that should provide python2.5-tickcount and python2.6-tickcount
[08:53] <lifeless> no
[08:53] <lifeless> lucid doesn't have python 2.5
[08:53] <maxb> yes, that's why we have a PPA
[08:53] <maxb> Version: 0.1-0ubuntu10launchpad1
[08:53] <maxb> Provides: python2.5-tickcount, python2.6-tickcount
[08:54] <lifeless> apt-cache policy launchpad-dependencies
[08:54] <lifeless>   Installed: 0.71
[08:54] <lifeless>  *** 0.71 0
[08:54] <lifeless>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/launchpad/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[08:54] <lifeless>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:54]  * maxb is very confused
[08:55] <maxb> unless your system actually has broken dependencies right now
[08:55] <lifeless> not according to apt
[08:55] <maxb> weird
[08:56] <lifeless> noodles775: if its reported then I'm fine; I know how to install thigns ;)
[08:57] <noodles775> lifeless: didn't find a bug, just this thread: https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg03109.html
[09:05] <lifeless> oh ugh
[09:05] <lifeless> url generation is kindof annoying when working with a vm
[09:05] <lifeless> noodles775: is there a FAQ about this - static ip address for the VM + etc/hosts on the host os ?
[09:07] <wgrant> lifeless: https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/RemoteAccess?
[09:08] <lifeless> mdns would be interesting
[09:15] <mrevell> Morning
[09:20] <wgrant> bigjools: Morning.
[09:20] <bigjools> morning wgrant
[09:22] <wgrant> bigjools: If you have time, can you please at some point do the necessary RT- or LOSA-wrangling to get the PPA log parser script running?
[09:23] <bigjools> wgrant: I'll get to it when time allows, I have >1000 new emails to plough through :/
[09:23] <wgrant> bigjools: Eeep. That is a few.
[09:24] <bigjools> this is why having bots send email should not be allowed
[09:24] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:29] <bigjools> wgrant: I'm not fully up to speed with that buildd bug I pasted you a week ago, how was it fixed?
[09:31] <wgrant> bigjools: lamont hadn't run 'debian/rules package' lately, so lib/canonical/buildd's copy of buildd-slave.py (which actually lives in daemons/) was out of date.
[09:31] <bigjools> wgrant: ok, how can we avoid that problem in future?
[09:31] <wgrant> bigjools: Split lp-buildd into a separate tree.
[09:31] <bigjools> heh
[09:31] <wgrant> The same thing can happen with tachandler.
[09:32] <wgrant> But I believe production is all nice and up to date now.
[10:06] <wgrant> Ooh. staging's linux import is scanning.
[10:06] <wgrant> Oh, no, still mirroring.
[10:12] <mwhudson> spm: say
[10:13] <mwhudson> spm: is there a mirror-branch.py process on tellurium that's been running for ages?
[10:14] <wgrant> Has it been at it for an hour and a half, or am I misreading?
[10:14] <mwhudson> wgrant: potentially, yeah
[10:15] <wgrant> (judging by last_mirror_attempt)
[10:15] <mwhudson> oh that's set is it?
[10:15] <wgrant> Yes.
[10:15] <wgrant> 2010-04-12 07:44:04.505438+00:00
[10:15] <mwhudson> then yes, it probably has been running for 1.5 hours
[10:15] <mwhudson> or it crashed
[10:16] <mwhudson> wgrant: is mirror_status_message set?
[10:16] <wgrant> mwhudson: ah, yes, KeyboardInterrupt.
[10:16] <wgrant> I forgot that was exposed.
[10:16] <wgrant> That's a timeout, right?
[10:16] <mwhudson> yeah
[10:16] <mwhudson> weee
[10:17] <mwhudson> hey bzr guys: make 2a fetch faster pls
[10:17] <wgrant> 2a fetch really sucks at the moment.
[10:17] <wgrant> But...
[10:17] <wgrant> Didn't it only take an hour to copy over sftp from tellurium to strawberry?
[10:17] <wgrant> So a local smart fetch should suck even less.
[10:18] <mwhudson> the timeout is lower for the puller
[10:18] <wgrant> Ah.
[10:18] <mwhudson> though i'm surprised there's no activity at all
[11:00] <deryck> Morning, all.
[13:48] <wgrant> I am getting a test failure in lib/lp/registry/stories/webservice/xx-distribution.txt in both devel and db-devel, with clean DBs.
[13:49] <james_w> what's the failure?
[13:50] <wgrant> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/413097/
[14:01] <james_w> wgrant: I see it too
[14:02] <wgrant> james_w: Uhoh.
[14:02] <wgrant> Anyone have a Hardy machine to try it on?
[14:03] <james_w> not to hand
[14:21] <james_w> wgrant: the patch is getting 400, but not checking this
[14:22] <wgrant> james_w: No obvious reason that this would be Lucid-specific?
[14:23] <james_w> no
[14:23] <james_w> I'd be looking at other things, such as whether buildbot is even running these tests
[14:24] <wgrant> Again. Yay.
[14:24] <wgrant> And EC2, of course... anyone have a recent EC2 log?
[14:25] <wgrant> In the other couple of cases I've seen this happen, the test failure was obvious in the log.
[14:25] <james_w> hmm, one thing
[14:25] <james_w> what is happening is that the patch request is checking whether status == 'Official', which is being set in the same request
[14:26] <wgrant> Aha.
[14:26] <james_w> so if hardy/lucid differ in the order or something there then that will be the cause
[14:26] <wgrant> Yep.
[14:49] <james_w> wgrant: lazr.restful attempts to process the fields in a deterministic order, so that probably isn't the immediate cause
[14:50] <james_w> oh no, I lied, it attempts to do it in one place, but then not in another
[14:55] <james_w> got it, filing a bug
[15:07] <james_w> bug 561521
[15:07] <mup> Bug #561521: Success of PATCH request dependent on dict iteration order <lazr.restful:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/561521>
[15:07] <wgrant> james_w: Aha! Thanks for tracking that down.
[15:07] <james_w> np
[15:50] <stub> Is the GPG tests under Lucid issue still blocked?
[15:52] <jelmer> stub: there's a branch playing in ec2 at the moment
[15:53] <jelmer> stub: ... after I landed a branch earlier that takes care of upgrading non-rich-root bzr branches in sourcecode/
[16:01] <stub> w00t
[16:20] <deryck> adeuring, let me know if we need to do a pre-imp about Bug 333521.
[16:20] <mup> Bug #333521: Enable bugs expiration for Ubuntu <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged by deryck> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/333521>
[16:20] <adeuring> deryck: yeah. that would be grat
[17:03] <adiroiban> hi. in pages.py, what is the difference between test.globs['public_webservice'] and test.globs['user_webservice'] ?
[17:07] <bigjools> anonymous vs logged-in at a guess
[17:11] <adiroiban> bigjools: what is a „guess” ? We also have user_webservice, where 'cprov' is the logged in user.
[17:12] <adiroiban> can we have users authenticated using OAuth, but without an account on Launchpad ?
[17:13] <bigjools> adiroiban: looking at the code, it's a read-only version of 'webservice' where the user logged in is "salgado"
[17:13] <bigjools> user_webservice is nopriv, not cprov AFAICS
[17:17] <adiroiban> bigjools: yes.
[17:18] <adiroiban> but should we have public_webservice binded to nopriv
[17:18] <allenap> leonardr: Can I ask a couple of questions about lazr.restful (and client)? First, can a collection return a heterogeneous mix of objects? Second, is it possible to choose what interface is used when exposing an individual object?
[17:18] <bigjools> adiroiban: possibly, I don't know enough about all the tests that use it
[17:19] <bigjools> at least it would be nice to rename
[17:19] <leonardr> allenap: you can only return a mix of objects if they all implement the same base interface (ie. Person/Team)
[17:19] <adiroiban> and user_webservice to salgado ?
[17:21] <allenap> leonardr: If I had a compelling use-case, would it be possible to allow mixed types in collections?
[17:22] <leonardr> allenap: it might be a lot of work. it could be as simple as just not specifying the collection type in the wadl, but i don't know what effects that would have
[17:22] <leonardr> i don't know what you mean by exposing a specific object. you probably don't mean annotating that object's class's interface, but all the published interefaces are created when the classes are annotated
[17:24] <allenap> leonardr: Perhaps I should explain my idea. Bug tasks can come in three forms: conjoined master, conjoined slave and not conjoined. A conjoined master and a non-conjoined bug task are functionally the same, but a slave is basically immutable, and can only be modified via its master.
[17:25] <allenap> leonardr: It's confusing at the moment because some bug tasks are editable and some aren't. (There's more detail in bug 556515.)
[17:25] <mup> Bug #556515: OOPS when editing conjoined bugtasks via API <oops> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/556515>
[17:27] <allenap> leonardr: An idea was to return, from searchTasks(), a heterogeneous list of bug tasks. When the bug task is a slave, it would annotate the object such that lazr.restfulclient would only materialize a read-only object, without mutator methods too.
[17:30] <leonardr> allenap: do you have separate launchpad interfaces for slave and non-slave bug tasks, or is the difference encapsulated in code?
[17:32] <allenap> leonardr: It's currently encapsulated in code. Both slaves and masters and others are BugTask objects. I was thinking I could (not sure where) add a provided interface to slaves. Not sure if I could remove existing implemented-by-the-class interfaces via an object though.
[17:34] <leonardr> alleenap: the capabilities of an entry resource are described by a wadl form
[17:34] <leonardr> specifically we have a 'resource type' for every kind of resource we publish
[17:35] <leonardr> if you want to publish a bug task-like resource that doesn't have any editable fields, either you will need to cause a new entry resource for that kind of thing to be created
[17:35] <leonardr> or we will need to make it possible to describe a particular entry resource with a 'resource' stanza specific to that resource instead of a  'resource_type' stanza
[17:36]  * allenap goes to look at the Launchpad WADL.
[17:37] <leonardr> allenap: it's a machine-readable version of the apidoc
[17:37] <leonardr> every section in the apidoc ('bugs', 'bugtask', etc) corresponds to a resource_type
[17:37] <leonardr> so we're talking about adding a 'slave_bugtask' on a par with 'bugtask'
[17:38] <leonardr> the alternative is to have something that's not mentioned in the apidoc and you only discover at runtime
[17:41] <allenap> leonardr: I think having a slave_bugtask would be better. If I defined an ISlaveBugTask interface, annotated it appropriately, I guess lazr.restul* would DTRT with it when handed over the wire.
[17:41] <allenap> leonardr: With objects providing it I mean.
[17:42] <leonardr> allenap: it should, you can use IPerson/ITeam as an example
[17:43] <allenap> leonardr: Of course, that's perfect. I have to go now to pick up my daughter. I'll be back later probably, but not for a few hours. Thanks for your help!
[17:43] <leonardr> all right
[18:12] <maxb> Hrm, I just AJAX-commented on a bug, and where my comment was supposed to appear in the page, I got "[object Object]" instead
[18:12] <maxb> (on edge)
[18:28]  * maxb stumbles across a cheeky use of http://launchpad.net/api/ in Ubuntu's python-software-properties
[18:29] <maxb> Though given the alternative is oauth shenanigans, I find it hard to blame them
[18:31] <maxb> Though this does raise the question of how long /api/beta is going to work for
[18:36] <leonardr> maxb, can you give me some data?
[18:36] <leonardr> we are planning to eol /beta/ at the same time as karmic, but that requires changing all existing karmic packages, and i didn't know about python-software-properties until just now
[18:37] <maxb> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/software-properties/lucid/annotate/head%3A/softwareproperties/ppa.py#L68
[18:38] <leonardr> maxb, do you know who is responsible for that package or did you just stumble across it?
[18:38] <leonardr> there's nothing in there that couldn't be replaced with launchpadlib.login_anonymously()
[18:39] <maxb> I just stumbled across it whilst thinking "I wonder how add-apt-repository ppa:blah/blah figures out the key"
[18:39] <leonardr> ok, i need to talk to the maintainer
[18:40] <maxb> mvo appears to be the most frequent recent uploader
[18:43] <maxb> Is anyone aware of AJAX bug commenting being semi-broken on edge right now?
[18:44] <maxb> ah yes, bug 541993
[18:44] <mup> Bug #541993: Adding comments to a bug shows [Object object] instead of comment <javascript> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/541993>
[19:06] <jml> g'night all
[20:29] <mars> bac, ping, question about 'ec2 land' for you.
[20:30] <bac> hi mars
[20:30] <mars> hi bac.  Reading your mail to the list on 10/09/2009 about ec2 land
[20:30] <mars> it says "The merge proposal must have a commit message set.  If it doesn't you can use '--commit-text' to set it."
[20:30] <mars> bac, where would I find the "--commit-text" switch?
[20:31] <mars> bac, and is this documented on the wiki?
[20:31] <bac> ec2 land --help
[20:32] <bac> mars: and my statement is a bit misworded.  using that switch will supply the commit message for the landing but does not affect the merge proposal
[20:32] <mars> ah, I did that, saw "-s  blankblankthisisnotwhatIwant".  My bad.
[20:32] <mars> right
[20:33] <mars> bac, thanks
[20:33] <mars> bac, I looked on https://dev.launchpad.net/EC2Test and did not see the command.  Is it documented elsewhere?
[20:34] <mars> bac, fwiw, I think that page needs rework anyway.  It is outdated, and does not have enough examples.
[20:34] <james_w> please merge with/improve https://dev.launchpad.net/LandingChanges
[20:34] <bac> mars: i don't know if it is documented on the wiki or not
[20:35] <bac> mars: i can look later
[20:35] <mars> james_w, great! thanks for the pointer
[20:36] <mars> james_w, looking at that page, does 'lp-land' also require a commit message on the merge proposal?
[20:36] <james_w> yes, I believe so
[20:37] <mars> bac, james_w's page has some 'ec2 land' instructions on it.
[20:37] <james_w> and doesn't appear to have a way to override ir
[20:38] <james_w> "./utilities/ec2 help land" should probably be on those pages
[20:38] <mars> well, I don't know if you need the exact text, but "common examples" would be nice.  Like the wget and curl man pages have.
[20:39] <james_w> I meant a pointer to the help
[20:40] <mars> ah, yes
[20:40] <james_w> but yes, it was just me writing down what I learnt to save the next person having to learn it from scratch. If everyone else did the same it would be great.
[20:41] <mars> james_w, I had to troll the list archives with thunderbird to pull the same info you have on this page.
[20:41] <mars> guess which is more convenient :)
[20:41] <james_w> :-)
[20:47] <bac> mars, james_w: the page is a nice start.  i think the part where it talks about using 'ec2 land' to land someone else's branch is wrong in that you supply the URL to the MP not a reference to the branch.  perhaps both work?  (i always use the MP url)
[20:47] <james_w> I think both work
[20:47] <bac> cool
[20:47] <james_w> provided there is only a single merge proposal for the branch. Changing it to suggest the merge proposal way first would be good
[20:48] <mars> bac, do you think your "ec2 land" pre-conditions should be added?  Or does the command do a good enough job of telling you that something needs to be fixed?
[20:48] <bac> mars: it'll complain
[20:49] <mars> bac, such as, I try "ec2 land" on an unapproved branch, and it will abort, and helpfully suggest I use "--force" if I am desperate?
[20:49] <bac> mars: yes, i believe it does.
[20:49] <bac> using --force is not uncommon since many reviewers don't change the final state of the MP
[20:50] <mars> cool.  Self-documenting is nice.  Saves wiki words :)
[20:53] <bac> mars: for example:
[20:53] <bac> .../bac/launchpad/lp-branches/bug-559200> utilities/ec2 land
[20:53] <bac> ec2: ERROR: Commit text not specified. Use --commit-text, or specify a message on the merge proposal.
[20:53] <mars> beautiful
[20:55] <bac> mars: that's all jml's work
[20:55] <mars> hmm
[20:55] <mars> bac, do you know what level of OAuth access ec2 land requires?
[20:56] <bac> read-only i would assume
[20:56] <bac> though i'm in the bad habit of clicking on the last button out of habit
[20:56] <mars> bac, "read anything" then.  Depends on what "Private data" is.
[20:57] <mars> eewww
[20:57] <mars> that is a problem with OAuth
[20:57] <mars> it is up to the site implementer to make a sane, helpful UI
[20:58] <mars> and personally, I don't think the Launchpad OAuth page, or the lander itself, bothered to tell me what level of access they require
[20:59] <mars> duplicate that potential problem across every OAuth app out there :/
[21:03] <maxb> Best I could figure out from the code, "private" actually meant the same as it did in the rest of the UI - i.e. private bugs, branches, etc.
[21:04] <mars> I wonder if there is some way for the client application to pass a string to the user saying, "If you give me access level X, I can activate capability Y"
[21:04] <mars> So I hit the OAuth landing page,
[21:05] <mars> and it says "Public Read Only: allows the lander to submit public branches to EC2"
[21:05] <mars> "Private Read Only: allows the lander to submit private branches to EC2"
[21:05] <mars> "Read and Write Anything: not required"
[21:07] <mars> maybe you could pass a "do not use" hint instead of a string, and the landing page can disable the last button as a courtesy to the user.
[21:08] <mars> maxb, if that is the case, then I hope it is easy to change the OAuth level after the fact :)
[21:08] <maxb> Only by redoing the whole auth dance
[21:09] <maxb> mars: An application can tell launchpad to display only a subset of the buttons
[21:24] <SlonUA> could u point me the place where i can change path for 'lp://dev/' ...  i need bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.dev:5022/ instead just 'bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.dev/'
[21:26] <maxb> Just type that explicitly. lp: is just a shortcut
[21:37] <SlonUA> maxb: i see.. but for example if i have mapped branch to series then lp://dev/<project> show me .. whole branch ....
[21:38] <SlonUA> maxb: yes i don't care i can work with full path .. but it's intresting .. also u can have dynamic branches for project =)
[22:57] <wgrant> leonardr: launchpadlib is not really usable for that sort of application.
[22:58] <wgrant> It takes forever to import and start, and downloads a lot of unnecessary stuff.
[23:32] <leonardr> wgrant: understood, but if you don't use launchpadlib you also need to take responsibility for keeping your client up to date. i can't rely on knowing which ubuntu packages don't use launchpadlib but secretly depend on the web service
[23:48] <sinzui> thumper, ping


[23:08] <Sveta> although more WM logging is outright useful, it's probably a shorter path
[23:08] <_28kb> ok sveta
[23:09] <_28kb> I got this libvirt-quemu dude on list
[23:09] <platzhirsch> Sveta: thanks
[23:10] <n4n0`> ty Sveta
[23:10] <Sveta> platzhirsch: please let me know what you find, it's only a first step I think
[23:11] <platzhirsch> I don't fin danything, I found some stuff in .cache and .gconf
[23:11] <platzhirsch> but removing it didn't do anything
[23:11] <_28kb> i created administrator user without being prompted for password. is that ok?
[23:11] <_28kb> pass is the same?
[23:12] <Sveta> platzhirsch: try to purge the package and then install it again (apt purge, apt install)
[23:12] <Sveta> platzhirsch: i.e. `sudo apt purge gnome-calendar` and `sudo apt install gnome-calendar`
[23:12] <_28kb> found pass entry...
[23:12] <Sveta> good :-)
[23:17] <turbo64> the amdgpu driver isnt working in 17.10
[23:17] <turbo64> i have a southern islands card and it worked out of the box in 17.04
[23:17] <turbo64> but in 17.10 its not working and i get missing firmware errors when i update-initramfs
[23:18] <turbo64> and i cant find any packages for amd gpu firmware
[23:19] <Sveta> to see more info on your card, maybe a pastebin of `lspci -vmmnn` could be useful
[23:20] <turbo64> https://pastebin.com/s71xqbTL
[23:20] <Sveta> (that's https://pastebin.com/raw/s71xqbTL without the ads)
[23:21] <turbo64> according to archwiki a kernel parameter is required to enable si support since 4.13
[23:21] <turbo64> so im gonna try that
[23:21] <turbo64> brb
[23:24] <turbo64> alright that fixed it
[23:24] <turbo64> i dont know why they require that parameter now
[23:24] <Sveta> which kernel parameter did you use?
[23:25] <turbo64> amdgpu.si_support=1
[23:25] <turbo64> if you add that and blacklist the radeon driver it works
[23:25] <turbo64> in 17.04 it automatically loaded the amdgpu driver without having to change anything
[23:26] <Sveta> great, thanks for sharing
[23:27] <Scoop7> just installed mysql and redis on the same instance I have ubuntu on aws.... should I feel bad for not setting up another service one for RDS and some other for Redis? :\
[23:27] <Scoop7> another instance*
[23:29] <_28kb> didn't turn off automatic logon... I created new user... even got some boot log by removing quiet from splash
[23:29] <_28kb> desktop froze again
[23:31] <platzhirsch> Sveta: tried that as well
[23:31] <platzhirsch> it's sooo persistent
[23:43] <Sveta> platzhirsch: i can't believe 'grep' and 'find' didn't find anything yet it keeps the data
[23:44] <platzhirsch> Sveta: I know right
[23:45] <Sveta> could ask at irc.gnome.org #gnome as a next step
[23:45] <dax> turbo64: SI support for amdgpu is best-effort and not really official. The kernel parameter is because of that and is an upstream amdgpu decision.
[23:45] <Sveta> thanks dax!
[23:45] <dax> recommendation for SI cards last i looked was to continue using the radeon driver unless you had a good reason not to
[23:49] <_28kb> logging as different user - no difference
[23:49] <_28kb> verbose turned on - no difference
[23:53] <Niytro> hi
[23:54] <_28kb> i'll just keep logging on with ctrl-alt-f1 and restarting lightdm


[05:02] <Digi||Gram> superfly yeah the Android SDK has a bit more effort put into it, the IDE I'm using looks like a one-man show, or a very small group at least
[05:14] <Kilos> morning guys
[05:14] <DigiGram> morning kilos
[05:15] <Kilos> wow DigiGram that android stuff is massive
[05:15] <DigiGram> it is quite large yeah
[05:15] <Kilos> over 1g of data use last night
[05:15] <DigiGram> especially if you want to develop for multiple Android versions, then you need to download bits for EVERY version
[05:16] <DigiGram> I just wish they make a smaller emulator
[05:16] <DigiGram> but technically you can run Android in a VM
[05:16] <Kilos> once it was installed it kept showing , so many packages to install and i kept ticking
[05:16] <DigiGram> but it's still a 700MB download
[05:16] <DigiGram> hehe oh, so you installed everything for development as well
[05:17] <Kilos> lol i thought it would be something simple like mxit or so
[05:17] <Squirm> morning
[05:17] <DigiGram> on windows and mac you can use bluestacks wich is similiar to Wine
[05:17] <Kilos> no there is still more it wants but i was too tired to carry on
[05:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[05:18] <Kilos> its like downloading a whole ubuntu release and updating
[05:19] <DigiGram> it basicly is Kilos
[05:19] <Kilos> whew
[05:19] <Kilos> i hope there is a man pckage in it
[05:19] <Kilos> package
[05:21] <Kilos> oh i see it has tutorials
[05:21] <Kilos> all i wanted to do was be able to use whatsapp
[05:21] <Kilos> whew
[05:22] <Kilos> oh well at least my nightsurfer wont expire this time
[05:35] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[05:44] <Kilos> whew DigiGram is whatsapp a plugin for that
[05:45] <DigiGram> a plugin for what?
[05:45] <Kilos> that whole eclipse thing is for clever peeps
[05:45] <Kilos> guys the write programs in java and c++ etc
[05:46] <DigiGram> yeah eclipse is quite nice
[05:46] <DigiGram> but I like the more down to earth programming such as Python
[05:46] <Kilos> nice? whew
[05:47] <Kilos> does one just sudo aptitude install whatsapp on it?
[05:47] <Kilos> hehe
[05:47] <Kilos> thats as far as i can go
[05:52] <DigiGram> android doesn't have aptitude
[05:52] <DigiGram> you need to download the .apk file from the whatsapp website and install that in your emulator
[05:53] <Kilos> whew ty i try find it
[05:53] <Kilos> hope its tiny
[05:54] <DigiGram> 5mb about
[05:54] <Kilos> that i can handle ty
[05:54] <Kilos> but no more upgrading for a while
[05:55]  * Squirm yawns
[05:55] <Squirm> problem
[05:56] <Kilos> sup Squirm
[05:56] <Squirm> when you start whatsapp, you enter in your cellphone number. whatsapp then sends an sms to the number. being a smartphone, it detects and opens said sms automatically, thus allowing the installation of whatsapp
[05:56] <Squirm> how do you intend to do that on an emulator?
[05:57] <Kilos> yes
[05:57] <Kilos> dont want it on cell
[05:57] <DigiGram> Squirm, register your phone number
[05:58] <DigiGram> a dumb-phone without whatsapp will show you the verification code
[05:58] <DigiGram> in stead of auto-loading it into whatsapp
[05:58] <Kilos> ithats all i need right?
[05:58] <DigiGram> or sometimes they ask you if you want the verifiction on another way
[05:59] <DigiGram> I'll try in bluestacks today if I do get the time
[05:59] <Squirm> hmm, ok. I haven't seen it ask for a verification code a different way. also when it's waiting for the sms, it doesn't ask you to input the code manually
[05:59] <DigiGram> but I want to go and have a look at the NWU Solarcar today
[06:19] <nlsthzn> mornign all
[06:19] <nlsthzn> ping superfly
[06:19] <superfly> nlsthzn: pong
[06:20] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:20] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[06:20] <nlsthzn> mornig superfly ... do you perhaps have a log of the converstion that we had last night in #ubuntu-ae? Our channel isn't logged and one of the guys asked for it?
[06:20] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos
[06:20] <superfly> yup
[06:21] <nlsthzn> thx
[06:21]  * nlsthzn needs to turn on logging or see if it is and see where the logs are :p
[06:22]  * superfly copies some lines of IRC
[06:22] <Kilos> nlsthzn, arent you using xchat
[06:22] <Kilos> you can make it save many lines
[06:23] <nlsthzn> just realized I am in the wrong OS, that is why I can't see anything >.<
[06:23] <Kilos> hehe
[06:24] <Kilos> i do that when ive booted from a different drive or os as well
[06:24] <DigiGram> hehe
[06:26] <nlsthzn> Raring Ringtail... I need to look up raring
[06:27] <superfly> hehe, was thinking the same thing
[06:27] <Kilos> i dropped that whatsapp.apk file into the eclipse thing but cant find any install function anywhere
[06:28] <DigiGram> no Kilos ignore eclipse
[06:28] <DigiGram> open the emulator
[06:29] <Kilos> oh my
[06:30] <Kilos> what do i tell dash to look for
[06:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: another interesting name
[06:30] <inetpro> good morning
[06:31] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:31] <DigiGram> in eclipse I think there is a button for the emulator in one of the menus
[06:31] <DigiGram> if yuo have configured it correctly
[06:32] <Kilos> lol i didnt configure anything
[06:32] <nlsthzn> >.< I knew what raring was... I think I was pronouncing it wrong in my head however :p
[06:32] <Kilos> just downloaded and let it install what it wanted
[06:33] <DigiGram> Kilos, maybe this can help http://crashcourse.ca/content/android-emulator-ubuntu-1004-60-seconds
[06:33] <Kilos> ty i go see
[06:37] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I wonder what he named it after, is it a bird?
[06:38] <nlsthzn> inetpro, I was thinking something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Squaw-ringtail-28073.jpg/220px-Squaw-ringtail-28073.jpg
[06:38] <nlsthzn> I know in afr of a ringnek... not sure about tail however :D
[06:47] <nlsthzn> :'( 12.10 looks uber slick...
[06:48] <nlsthzn> must resist...
[07:01] <inetpro> nlsthzn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuOenWJbiPQ
[07:02] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:02] <DigiGram> morning magespawn
[07:06] <magespawn> hey DigiGram
[07:06] <magespawn> Morning Kilos
[07:06] <Kilos> Morning magespawn
[07:07] <magespawn> got this error this morning "error: ELF header smaller than expected."
[07:07] <Kilos> you didnt say if its just the battery that determines how long a ups keeps you going
[07:07] <magespawn> grub rescue>
[07:07] <Kilos> oh my
[07:07] <Kilos> boot-repair
[07:07] <magespawn> i also lost power last night Kilos
[07:08] <Kilos> how did you fix grub rescue>
[07:08] <magespawn> but yes the battery determines how long and how much you are running on that ups
[07:08] <Kilos> i used to dread that
[07:09] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w
[07:09] <SmilyBorg_w> hey there
[07:09] <magespawn> not sure going to a go a fixing it when I get a break, if I run into problems I will let you know
[07:10] <Kilos> if you boot from cd and install boot-repair it does it all for you
[07:10] <Kilos> 12.04 hey?
[07:12] <magespawn> well it was upgrading to that when the power dipped
[07:13] <Kilos> DigiGram, that not a good thing to follow for me. wants me to download a tarball and the fly fights me when i do things like that
[07:13] <Kilos> eish thats yuck
[07:13] <DigiGram> lol okay
[07:14] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:14] <magespawn> from the grub rescue prompt?
[07:14] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+F2
[07:15] <Kilos> i have a page of what to do from that prompt but nothing ever worked thats when i found boot-repair
[07:16] <magespawn> the computer boots straight into the grub rescue prompt
[07:16] <magespawn> so i will use boot repair when i get a chance
[07:16] <Kilos> and no ctrl+alt+f2 then magespawn
[07:16] <magespawn> no nothing else straight in grub rescue
[07:17] <Kilos> eish
[07:17] <magespawn> and i have a windows desktop i need to finish first
[07:18] <magespawn> removed 3712 virus infected files using clam av, now i need to repair the os
[07:18] <Kilos> wow
[07:19] <Kilos> i would think clamav sees all of windows as a virus
[07:19] <Kilos> named billy's revenge
[07:21] <Kilos> inetpro, massive storm last night and 2mm rain hehe
[07:21] <Kilos> better than storm only though
[07:24] <inetpro> Kilos: I think I got more than 2mm but I forgot to check
[07:25]  * inetpro swimming pool was full of frogs last night
[07:25] <inetpro> counted about 20
[07:26] <inetpro> the previous night I fished out 13 of them with the net
[07:27] <inetpro> amazing how they suddenly appeared out of nowhere
[07:28] <Kilos> whew
[07:28] <magespawn>  frogs are very cool
[07:28] <Kilos> it doesnt like raining here
[07:28] <magespawn> they show you how healthy the water is
[07:28]  * inetpro loves frogs but they don't belong in the swimming pool
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <magespawn> no they don't, but if you put a little ramp in the will get out themselves
[07:29] <magespawn> the=they
[07:29] <Kilos> only frogs worth loving are in france
[07:29] <inetpro> this morning all of them were out already except one of them
[07:29] <inetpro> they are very windgat
[07:30] <Kilos> hehe
[07:30]  * inetpro struggled to keep them in the net
[07:31] <Kilos> only good frog is a plat anna
[07:31] <Kilos> you can fish with them
[07:32] <inetpro> Kilos: yikes!
[07:32] <Kilos> baber kos
[07:32] <inetpro> these frogs are massive, way to big for the fish
[07:32] <Kilos> fish dont eat ordinary frogs
[07:32] <Kilos> they give off some stinky slime
[07:33] <Kilos> but large barbel cant swim past a platanna
[07:34] <Kilos> but our dams are so polluted now one cant take a chance and eat the fish anymore
[07:34] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[07:34]  * Kilos greets tumbleweed
[07:35] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[07:35] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[07:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:35] <charlvn> how's it going Kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[07:35] <Kilos> lol brain dead charlvn
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:36] <Kilos> android stuff heavy onna old nogging
[07:36] <Vince-0> Haai Kilos
[07:36] <Kilos> noggin
[07:36] <DigiGram> Maaz, coffee please
[07:36] <Maaz> DigiGram: Done
[07:37] <Kilos> DigiGram, you wanna tell me after all that downloading i still dont have an emulator?
[07:37] <DigiGram> the emulator is part of the original package
[07:37] <Kilos> oh good
[07:39] <charlvn> somewhat OT for this channel but netbsd 6 was just released
[07:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn, Kilos and DigiGram!
[07:39] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[07:39] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[07:39] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[07:39] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:40] <DigiGram> Maaz, thanks
[07:40] <Maaz> DigiGram: No problem
[07:41] <charlvn> on and also somewhat OT note, OpenELEC looks interesting: http://openelec.tv/
[07:41] <charlvn> i have been thinking about building my own HTPC for a while and might take it on as a december project
[07:43] <magespawn> Kilos the funny thing is if there are frogs in the water then it is relatively pollution free
[07:44] <Kilos> yeah
[07:44] <magespawn> of coursse this is chemical pollution not biological
[07:44] <Kilos> seen on tv how they dying in dams near cities
[07:44] <DigiGram> magespawn, not if the frog is on Kilos's hook, thats no indication :)
[07:44] <Kilos> hehe
[07:46] <magespawn> he
[07:46] <magespawn> that usually from all the chemical pollution, they are very sensitive to pesticides and such
[07:47] <DigiGram> its bad when you get higher speeds from TENET than from a server on your LAN
[07:47] <Kilos> yeah they reckoned it was from waste from factories
[07:49] <magespawn> DigiGram: how is that even possible? load on the local server?
[07:49] <DigiGram> If only I knew magespawn
[07:49] <magespawn> i would like to know to
[07:50] <magespawn> maybe there is a bottleneck somewhere
[07:50] <DigiGram> but it might be possible that my browser does not exclude that site in his proxy settings
[07:50] <DigiGram> or maybe just load as you say
[07:58] <magespawn> DigiGram: are you the system admin?
[07:58] <DigiGram> nope, was just busy downloading an iso from one of our servers, and one from UFS, and UFS won lol
[08:00] <nlsthzn> DigiGram, cause the freestate is so flat, no resistance
[08:00] <DigiGram> the internet brings the world closer... I get a better speed from a server roughly 300km away, than from one 300m away... lol. But we had power issues, so I wonder if one of the hubs didn't make it perhaps
[08:00] <DigiGram> lol nlsthzn thats something I won't tell my wife
[08:00] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:01] <DigiGram> my brother always says, the Freestate is the only place where you can watch your dog run away for 3 days
[08:02] <Kilos> lol
[08:02] <nlsthzn> haha
[08:03] <nlsthzn> inetpro, ringtales are cute, I show my wife this and she will be nagging for 3 days to have one
[08:03] <DigiGram> so now that I live in the Freestate, I want to hear what my brother says when he visits the weekend
[08:05] <inetpro> nlsthzn: lol
[08:05] <magespawn> so flat that you can see yesterday, today, and tomrrow all at the same time
[08:05] <inetpro> nlsthzn: so you have installed Quantal Quatzel?
[08:06] <nlsthzn> no... I am resisting at the moment... watched the OMG video on it and it looks pretty slick...
[08:07] <inetpro> does look good indeed
[08:07]  * inetpro will however stick with kubuntu
[08:07] <magespawn> thats what i have to fix on one of my machines the power dipped about 7/8 of the way through the upgrade
[08:07] <nlsthzn> :(
[08:07] <magespawn> got this error this morning "error: ELF header smaller than expected."
[08:07] <inetpro> it's release day today
[08:08] <magespawn> grub rescue>
[08:08] <magespawn> so another learing curve
[08:08] <inetpro> superfly: are you running on 12.10 yet?
[08:08] <nlsthzn> elves do have small heads in comaprison to dwarfs etc
[08:08] <magespawn> lol
[08:08] <Kilos> magespawn, you can type help there and it gives commands
[08:09] <Kilos> but none fixed boot for me
[08:09] <magespawn> nearly wrote " so another learning curse" would have been bit of a slip
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:47] <superfly> inetpro: yup
[08:53] <DigiGram> mmm, the web interface is nice for people on the go
[10:36] <Kilos> hehe im lost where exactly must this path go
[10:36] <Kilos> Note: Android SDK will be installed in the "/usr/bin/android-sdk-linux" folder), you should include this path in Eclipse (Preferences window) after adding the ADT plugin.
[10:36] <Kilos> eclipse prefs has lotsa stuff in
[10:41] <Kilos> in preferences >android?
[10:51] <superfly> Kilos: what are you trying to do?
[10:52] <Kilos> trying to get an emulator thing going to use whatsapp superfly
[10:52] <superfly> oh
[10:53] <Kilos> and i cant even start the emulator
[10:53] <superfly> you just need to extract the SDK to your home directory, and then run the Android manager to download a ROM
[10:55] <Kilos> i have even got the android-sdk ppa because i couldnt find it in eclipse
[10:57] <superfly> Kilos: eish, you are going off on the wrong track. if you just want the emulator you don't need eclipse or PPAs
[10:58] <Kilos> eish it ate over 1g of data last night getting all of it
[11:04] <bakuman> one gram!
[11:05] <DigiGram> how much will one gram of data be? Everything has mass, so the electrons occupying the HIGH state should have some mass as well, shouldn't it?
[11:06] <bakuman> someone actually posted something like that a while back
[11:08] <bakuman> http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2007/04/weighing_the_we.html
[11:10] <Kilos> lol 1 gig man
[11:11] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[11:11] <nuvolari> have we been blessed by Canonical or not yet?
[11:14] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[11:24] <Kilos> yay android sdk manager shows in dash but nothing else with it. all the extras are in eclipse
[11:24] <Kilos> grrr
[11:32] <bakuman> nuvolari what do you mean?
[11:35] <bakuman> 12.10 not released yet?
[11:39] <Kilos> there used to be an irc channel where they monitored the release
[11:40] <tumbleweed> #ubuntu-release-party
[11:40] <tumbleweed> which reminds me
[11:40] <tumbleweed> (to join it)
[11:40] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <Kilos> i joined #ubuntu-release
[11:41] <tumbleweed> that's a working channel
[11:41] <Kilos> now you tell its a party channel
[11:48] <Kilos> tumbleweed, why dont you sell them an ibid bot
[11:48] <Kilos> to track the release times for them
[11:48] <tumbleweed> At some point I tried to persuade the ubuntu-bots people to use ibid
[11:49] <tumbleweed> but they've got enough of their own code as supybot plugins, that they weren't interested
[11:49] <Kilos> fools
[11:50] <Kilos> neil even got ibid yesterday because supybot wasnt good enough
[11:50] <Kilos> so the ahabs are one up
[11:52] <Kilos> and mrs_fly_ has a tail
[11:59] <Kilos> magespawn, you winning with that winsucks
[11:59] <Kilos> ?
[11:59] <Kilos> you very quiet
[12:08] <magespawn> hey Kilos yup iam winning slowly but surely
[14:54] <nuvolari> hmm, probably not going to get ubuntu today
[15:03] <Symmetria> suppppp :)
[15:04]  * Symmetria is in an awesome mood
[15:07] <sakhi> moving students to the google cloud...interesting times.
[15:07] <Kilos> why Symmetria
[15:08] <Kilos> if you in such a good mood organise us more space to host ubuntu debdelta
[15:10] <Kilos> tumbleweed, how much space do we need? and what else?
[15:11] <tumbleweed> Kilos: never investigated debdeltas, sorry
[15:13] <Symmetria> kilos: http://www.ubuntunet.net/uc_2012
[15:13] <Symmetria> ^^^ proud moment in any companies life when they get to a point where they can actually sponsor something
[15:13] <Symmetria> :P and being in the same partnership category as seacom just rocks
[15:15] <Kilos> great
[15:16] <Kilos> now find us space for a ubuntu deb-delta server
[15:16] <Kilos> pleeeeese
[15:17] <Symmetria> hrm, will talk to someone tomorrow, I know a place that would host one
[15:21] <sakhi> sounds good
[15:21] <Kilos> we will be most grateful
[15:22] <Kilos> even be nice to you for a while
[15:30] <Cantide> anyone got 12.10 yet? :D
[15:32] <Kilos> superfly, where is the Rom i gotta get that android manager to download please
[15:32] <Kilos> Cantide, join #ubuntu-release-party
[15:33] <tumbleweed> Cantide: not released yet
[15:33] <Cantide> weird - there's already a review up on OMG! Ubuntu
[15:34] <Cantide> well, not a review, but "10 things to do after installing"
[15:34] <Cantide> so i thought it was out >.<
[15:34] <magespawn> can you not do-release-upgrade and get it?
[15:34] <tumbleweed> Cantide: they like jumping the gun
[15:34] <tumbleweed> magespawn: it's not out yet
[15:42] <magespawn> must be pretty soon though, where are those islands?
[15:51] <Symmetria> hrm
[15:51] <Symmetria> I think seacom just died
[15:54] <magespawn> tumbleweed: i see howland island is just before the international date line so it might still be night time on the 17th or early morning on the 18th there. not too sure how it works?
[15:54] <tumbleweed> there isn't a specific release time
[15:54] <tumbleweed> when it's ready
[15:55] <magespawn> is #ubuntu-release-party an official channel?
[15:57] <Kilos> ya
[15:59] <magespawn> well the topic there says after 23:59:59 on the 18th on Howland Island. And we are ahead of them/it.
[16:00] <Squirm> afaik it's released
[16:00] <Squirm> hmm. maybe not
[16:01] <magespawn> tumble says not
[16:01] <Cantide> it's chaos in that channel :D
[16:01] <Kilos> haha they go mad sometimes
[16:02] <Kilos> i member for 10.10 it was chockablock and everyone had something to say at once
[16:02] <magespawn> i do not see anything happening
[16:02] <Cantide> it really should be released early during the day
[16:02] <Cantide> like at midnight or something
[16:02] <magespawn> who's day?
[16:02] <Cantide> so it's available on the day
[16:02] <Kilos> whose day?
[16:02] <Cantide> canonical's :p
[16:02] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <Kilos> you too fast magespawn
[16:03] <Cantide> Kilos, but you got the grammar correct :p
[16:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:03] <magespawn> lol
[16:05] <Cantide> i have no idea why i'm excited for it :p
[16:05] <Cantide> i'll probably only install it in December -.-
[16:25] <Kilos> everyone is hoping unity has improved
[16:25] <Kilos> like with 10 desktops
[16:38] <magespawn> networking peeps what do you think of this http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=plcp&v=q65tJ2RcadQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq65tJ2RcadQ%26feature%3Dplcp
[17:10] <Cantide> the quetzal has landed '<
[17:19] <tumbleweed> \o/
[17:20] <superfly> download rate from the repos is not bad
[17:21] <superfly> tumbleweed: do you know which is a good local repository mirror? last I heard za.archive wasn't doing so well
[17:21] <tumbleweed> superfly: try the neology mirror
[17:21] <superfly> of course
[17:22] <tumbleweed> http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/
[17:25] <superfly> ah, that's slightly better
[17:26] <superfly> more than slightly, actually
[17:39] <magespawn> later all
[17:40] <Cantide> is an upgrade recommended?
[17:40] <Cantide> or should i do a fresh install?
[17:40] <Cantide> i'd rather do a fresh install
[17:40] <Cantide> but i don't want to sit until 2 am configuring everything again :D
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:44] <Kilos> make a backup Cantide
[17:44] <Kilos> deja-dup
[17:44] <Cantide> naaaahhh
[17:44] <Cantide> i am brave
[17:45] <Cantide> nothing to lose on this HDD anyway
[17:45] <Cantide> all data is stored elsewhere
[17:45] <Kilos> that saves all your settings and things
[17:45] <Cantide> oh...
[17:45] <Cantide> that would be cool
[17:45] <Cantide> i hate losing email contacts and whatnot
[17:45] <Kilos> email addys and so on
[17:45] <Cantide> yeah
[17:45] <Cantide> i will keep that in mind :)
[17:45] <Kilos> pidgin contacts
[17:45] <Kilos> xchat settings etc
[17:46] <Kilos> goes quick, its basically youre home folder
[17:46] <Cantide> eish
[17:46] <Kilos> or you can rsync /home to someother drive
[17:46] <Cantide> basically downloads the whole thing...
[17:46] <Cantide> going to get over 800 MB
[17:46] <Cantide> hmmm
[17:47] <Cantide> to click or not to click...
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <Cantide> clicked!! 'o'
[17:47] <Kilos> ill wait for an official dvd
[17:48] <Cantide> good idea
[17:48] <Cantide> i am sometimes impatient
[17:48] <Cantide> especially when it comes to new releases of Ubuntu :)
[17:48] <zeref> o0o0o
[17:48] <Cantide> l1l1l
[17:49] <zeref> think i'll stick to 12.04 :)
[17:49] <zeref> till next LTS
[17:49] <Cantide> that's generally my strategy
[17:50] <Cantide> well, not really LTS, but i stick with a version for about 2 or 3 years before getting a new one
[17:50] <Cantide> 9.10 -> 10.10 -> 12.04
[17:50] <Cantide> so getting 12.10 is not like me at all :)
[17:50] <zeref> :)
[17:51] <Kilos> i missed 11.10
[17:51] <Cantide> i avoided it :D
[17:51] <Cantide> waited for unity to mature a little
[17:51] <Kilos> but did from 8.10 up
[17:51] <zeref> i missed the 11's
[17:51] <Cantide> Kilos, every release? 'o'
[17:51] <Cantide> wow
[17:51] <Cantide> that's dedication right there :D
[17:51] <Kilos> yeah was exciting to see it grow and get better
[17:52] <Cantide> true
[17:52] <Cantide> i like major changes though
[17:52] <Cantide> feels like a new OS
[17:52] <Cantide> incremental changes can be disappointing
[17:52] <Kilos> started with 8.04 but couldnt get my cell to work
[17:52] <Cantide> but i am so keen to try out web apps
[17:52] <zeref> hmmm, since 12.04 is supported till 2017, will you be able to upgrade from 12.04 -> 17.04?
[17:52] <zeref> o0o0
[17:53] <Cantide> haha
[17:53] <Cantide> by then every single package will probably have changed
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <zeref> doubt it though
[17:54] <Kilos> you might need toupgrade from one lts to next then next etc
[17:55] <zeref> womder what ubuntu will look like in 17.04 :D
[17:56] <Kilos> would be nice to have a 1tb drive and install all alongside eack other
[17:57] <Cantide> i barely use my 80 GB :D :D :D
[17:57] <Kilos> each
[17:57] <Cantide> but yeah, imagine having each version installed
[17:57] <Cantide> and switching to each one to check it out and look at the changes
[17:57] <zeref> :O
[17:57] <Cantide> someone needs to make a youtube video of that
[17:58] <Cantide> from the first Ubuntu up to current, and just append new versions to the video
[17:58] <Kilos> the old ones took lotsa tweaking
[17:58] <Cantide> timelapse~
[17:58] <Kilos> everything didnt just work
[17:58] <Kilos> 10.10 was great
[17:58] <Kilos> still is
[17:59] <zeref> nought 10.04
[17:59] <zeref> ;)
[17:59] <Kilos> 10.04 needed work to get mxit in pidgin
[17:59] <Cantide> i really liked 10.10 :)
[17:59] <Cantide> probably my favourite :D
[17:59] <Kilos> imh 10.10 is still the best stable release to date
[18:00] <Kilos> unity rocked the boat too much
[18:00] <zeref> Lucid for me was rock solid
[18:00] <Kilos> no man
[18:00] <Kilos> you had to do some work to get everything going
[18:01] <Kilos> as in mxit
[18:01] <zeref> ???, I had no such problems :)
[18:01] <Kilos> you had to run a command to get purple
[18:01] <Kilos> do you use mxit?
[18:02] <zeref> nope
[18:02] <Kilos> do you use pidgin?
[18:02] <zeref> nope
[18:02] <zeref> :)
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> pidgin rocks
[18:03] <Cantide> Empathy <3
[18:03] <Kilos> empathy got no otr
[18:03] <Cantide> otr?
[18:03] <Kilos> off the record
[18:03] <Cantide> oh
[18:03] <Cantide> haha
[18:03] <Cantide> that's okay :p
[18:04] <Kilos> where 2 pcs scramble the signal between each other
[18:04] <Kilos> then theres nothing anyone else can read
[18:06] <Cantide> oh
[18:06] <Cantide> secure connection?
[18:06] <Kilos> Cantide, what speed you downloading at
[18:06] <Kilos> yeah very secure
[18:06] <Cantide> it was on 400 Kbps
[18:06] <Cantide> but seems to have dropped to 200 now
[18:06] <Cantide> server load maybe?
[18:06] <Cantide> oh, back to 350
[18:07] <Cantide> it's quite inconsistent
[18:07] <Cantide> ._.
[18:07] <Kilos> the 2 pcs actually send receive and sync inna scrambled way
[18:07] <Cantide> i'm not so concerned about security
[18:07] <Cantide> although i do have extremely personal chats
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Cantide> there is no critical information
[18:08] <Cantide> so if anyone gets it, they can have a good laugh, but that's about it :p
[18:08] <Cantide> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/Screenshot%20from%202012-10-18%2020%3A00%3A25.png
[18:14] <zeref> Cantide: what client is that?
[18:14] <Cantide> client? IRC client?
[18:14] <zeref> yebo
[18:14] <Cantide> xchat
[18:15] <Cantide> 2.8.8
[18:15] <zeref> k
[18:15] <Cantide> <3
[18:19] <zeref> zomg, i didnt know that ncmpcpp had a visualizer
[18:19] <zeref> http://i.imgur.com/9zMeO.jpg
[18:20] <Cantide> gnome 3?
[18:20] <Cantide> also, nice background
[18:23] <zeref> yep, ta
[18:38] <smileE17> doei :)
[18:45] <superfly> ah, there we go, upgrade complete by the looks of things
[18:45] <superfly> let's reboot and see what we have, shall we?
[18:45] <superfly> not that it'll be any different to what I've been seeing recently, since I've been running the beta
[18:48] <Cantide> superfly, good luck :)
[19:03] <Guest2958> ....
[19:05] <inetpro> good evening
[19:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I fished 19 frogs out of the swimming pool with the kids earlier this evening and yet another one has just announced it's arrival
[19:08] <Kilos> wow
[19:08] <Kilos> is your pool the only water in the area
[19:08] <Kilos> open water
[19:08] <inetpro> don't tell my neighbor but I put them all over the wall
[19:08] <Kilos> they come to lay eggs there
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <superfly> I still don't like LightDM
[19:09] <inetpro> hope he's not reading here :-)
[19:09] <inetpro> superfly: hi
[19:09] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:10] <Kilos> he cant be a geek surely
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know... what about you?
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: kubuntu now has LightDM?
[19:10] <Kilos> im lost superfly
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: yup
[19:11] <Kilos> nee man
[19:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: you're a farmer, and you're in here! :-P
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: what's wrong with it?
[19:11] <Kilos> whew just now kubuntu will be running unity
[19:11] <Kilos> oh lol
[19:11] <Kilos> im different
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: it's just not as polished as KDM
[19:12] <superfly> like even though the password box is focused by default, you don't see the cursor
[19:12]  * inetpro wonders why they changed it
[19:12] <superfly> so I only found out that I can just type without clicking after trawling through mailing lists and bug reports
[19:12] <Kilos> superfly, i dunno where or how to get the emulator running or where or how to tell it to install whatsapp
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: where do you have the Android SDK?
[19:14] <Kilos> i have the one i downloaded the .tgz and then converted it to .deb
[19:14] <Kilos> installed with gdebi
[19:14] <superfly> Kilos: no, no, no.
[19:14] <Kilos> then the ppa one is i dunno where
[19:14] <superfly> You just extract the .tgz
[19:15] <Kilos> ok that i tried and then?
[19:15] <superfly> then you go into the tools directory and run "./android" and it opens up the Android Manager
[19:15] <Kilos> have it on desktop
[19:16] <superfly> then you select the Android 2.2 item (and all its sub-items) and click "install"
[19:16] <superfly> oh, and I think you need to make sure you get the platform tools installed, though I think they might be automatically selected
[19:16] <superfly> then you run the emulator
[19:17] <superfly> and then you use the "adb" program in the platform-tools directory to load the apk into the emulator
[19:17] <Kilos> with eclipse i have over 1 gig of stuff
[19:17] <Kilos> no data left for big downloads
[19:20] <Kilos> must i cd into the tools or with gui ok?
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: cd into tools
[19:22] <superfly> hrm, I've deleted it from my PC now
[19:23] <Kilos> nm ill get there now i have an idea ty
[19:36] <Kilos> in the manager i see tools with android sdk tools and android sdk platform-tools
[19:36] <Kilos> no android 2.2 item superfly
[19:37] <superfly> Kilos: you might need to do an update, like you do with apt
[19:37] <superfly> except it's not a command, it's a button
[19:37] <Kilos> is it gonna download again
[19:37] <Kilos> ive already got them tools twice
[19:43] <Kilos> Stopping ADB server failed (code -1).
[19:46] <superfly> Kilos: do you have a platform-tools directory?
[19:47] <Kilos> yes but eed to stop it now
[19:47] <Kilos> its at 100m downloaded but the platform tools isnt ticked yet
[19:49] <Kilos> android sdk tools installed
[19:51] <Kilos> superfly, i need to check data balance first. maybe tick the platform tools after 11pm
[19:51] <inetpro> oh my goodness, that was not just one more frog.... caught and dumped another seven of them
[19:51] <Kilos> wow
[19:52] <Kilos> you are a frog magnet
[19:52] <Kilos> wbb
[19:54]  * inetpro wants to see whether they will be back again, maybe they have a very strong urge to return to my swimming pool each time
[19:54] <inetpro> should be tagging them
[19:59] <inetpro> I really don't like the latest trickery by facebook to show everyone who has seen a posting
[20:00] <inetpro> it's really meaningless and not necessary to go to that level of privacy invasion
[20:01] <Kilos> lol what i missed
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: I wrote, I really don't like the latest trickery by facebook to show everyone who has seen a posting
[20:01] <Kilos> ah i get emails all the time from fb
[20:01] <Kilos> painful
[20:02] <zeref> facebook? what is that ;)
[20:02] <inetpro> that happens in a group like ubuntu ZA on facebook
[20:03] <Kilos> oh superfly lower down there is an android 2.2 (api 8)
[20:04] <Kilos> but it said restart after getting tools and now it wants to download all over again
[20:04] <inetpro> so I guess I shall just unsubscribe from such a group
[20:04] <Kilos> can i untick everything except android 2.2
[20:09] <Kilos> doesnt this android thing save whats already downloaded
[20:11] <inetpro> sjoe Kilos, you must be very desperate to use whatsapp
[20:11] <Kilos> i was but its killing me
[20:12] <Kilos> mxit peeps are all going whatsapp
[20:12] <Kilos> i dunno why, they say its better
[20:12] <inetpro> well I must give you full marks for trying so hard
[20:13] <inetpro> and I hope that you do get it going at least
[20:14] <Kilos> eish thats why im still trying because otherwise its well over a gig of data wasted
[20:19] <Kilos> and i still havent seen this emulator thing
[20:20] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:20] <inetpro> that was not intentional
[20:20] <Kilos> should have rather used that data to get 12.10
[20:20] <superfly> Kilos: you do know you have to pay for whatsapp?
[20:20] <Kilos> the fly went too
[20:20] <Kilos> oh my no i didnt superfly
[20:20] <inetpro> eish! Good point superfly
[20:21] <Kilos> thats it ty. will purge it all
[20:21] <inetpro> Kilos: don't purge!
[20:22] <Kilos> ok
[20:22] <inetpro> it's a good thing to explore that stuffs
[20:22] <Kilos> i have the eclipse as well but not idea what to do with it
[20:22] <superfly> Kilos: it is free for the first year
[20:23] <Kilos> oh and then one can stop using it
[20:23] <Kilos> ?
[20:38] <Kilos> ok night guys.sleep tight
[20:38] <Kilos> ty for the help