[00:34] <bluesabre> OvenWerks: that functionality is currently in development, hopefully I will finish it soon
[01:01] <bkerensa> Xubuntu uses Ubuntu as Grub Entry?
[01:03] <Unit193> bkerensa: Everything uses Ubuntu, it's what lsb_release outputs.  Check /etc/default/grub to learn more.
[01:03] <Unit193> "Everything" being all flavors.
[01:08] <micahg> bkerensa: grub entries refer to the kernel, not the desktop env by default
[01:08] <bkerensa> mmm
[01:08] <bkerensa> kk
[01:09] <bkerensa> micahg, do you know why xfdesktop might ignore deja dups .desktop file?
[01:10] <knome> bkerensa, does it have OnlyShowIn or sth like that?
[01:10] <bkerensa> looks
[01:10] <bkerensa> I dont see anything like that
[01:10] <micahg> NoDisplay=true
[01:10] <knome> heh :)
[01:11] <bkerensa> ahh
[01:11] <pleia2> knome!
[01:11] <knome> pleia2!
[01:11]  * bkerensa CTRL+W OnlyShowIn
[01:11] <bkerensa> I should have manually parsed
[01:11] <bkerensa> ;)
[01:12] <bkerensa> \o/ now I have Deja Dup and all is good :) and it has Ubuntu One support so I don't have to make a script!
[03:31] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: I have found I can't get that functionality to work unless I move the line  <DefaultMergeDirs/>
[03:31] <OvenWerks> to the second last line of the applications.menu file in use
[03:34] <OvenWerks> in the case of xubuntu that file would be /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[03:34] <OvenWerks> The only DE that does not have this problem is KDE... (well ubuntustudio is fixed now too)
[03:37] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: I would like to know if you find the same thing.
[11:19] <knome> forestpiskie, you want to do alpha 1?
 Guys, our QA Classroom sessions starts 1 hour later. Make sure you join us through #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat!
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy
[13:18] <smartboyhw> s/1 hour /42 minutes.
[13:24] <ochosi> recently a few interesting appmenu alternatives have popped up (slingshot-launcher and whisker-menu)
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Scrap that, it's 6.
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Scrap that, it's 66...
[13:25]  * smartboyhw gets confused with the time...
[15:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: wanted to try whisker menu, was too lazy to build it for xfce-4.10
[15:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: there's a debian package
[15:08] <ochosi> on the project site
[15:08] <bluesabre> I tried that, it was incompatible
[15:08] <bluesabre> libxfce4util4 mismatch
[15:09] <bluesabre> now I am just using a super minimal setup
[15:10] <bluesabre> 2 panels, one with a clock and transparent bg, sits over windows, other with my indicators, autohide
[15:10] <ochosi> weird that it didn't work
[15:10] <ochosi> i'm also using 4.10
[15:10] <ochosi> in raring
[15:10] <bluesabre> yeah, beats me
[15:11] <ochosi> one sec, i'll take another look
[15:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: try that link: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/gottcode/xUbuntu_13.04/amd64/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin_1.0.0-1_amd64.deb
[15:17] <bluesabre> ochosi, that worked, thanks!
[15:18] <ochosi> cool
[15:18] <ochosi> it's basically appfinder in a menu
[15:18] <bluesabre> yeah
[15:18] <ochosi> could be a replacement for our menu
[15:18] <bluesabre> not such a bad thing though
[15:18] <ochosi> but i'd have to draw quite a few app-icons for that to be really sharp
[15:18] <ochosi> lotsa 22/24px sizes missing
[15:18] <ochosi> and i've just gotten started on the 64px department lately (for alt-tab)
[15:21] <bluesabre> wouldn't want you to get bored :]
[15:21] <ochosi> hmpf :)
[17:15] <elfy> knome: as far as Alpha1 goes - unless the desktop launcher gets sorted out they'll all be critical fails ;)
[17:17] <elfy> assuming it's ok by then - then I'd say yes, and I'd like to know if we want to do anything in cadence week 2 - afaik - the image stays up for a week
[17:23] <bluesabre> hi elfy!
[17:23] <bluesabre> re: autopilot, I'm a python guru :)
[17:27] <bluesabre> haven't had a chance to really look at the autopilot stuff yet, though
[17:34] <elfy> bluesabre: that's a bonus then - I'm still convinced it's voodoo :)
[17:34] <elfy> I think really that our best bet is to aim for using it during 14.04 cycle
[17:41] <bluesabre> yeah, you're probably right, but if we can possibly start using it with even a few apps this cycle, we can hit the ground running with 14.04
[17:58] <elfy> bluesabre: agreed
[19:11] <bluesabre> elfy: starting to play with it some, I've started creating basic tests for catfish :)
[19:16] <bluesabre> it's not too difficult, the worse part is figuring out exactly which widget you want to attach to
[19:16] <bluesabre> aha, should pay more attention, elfy already quit
[19:21] <Unit193> His backlog client is here.
[19:21] <bluesabre> ah, good news :)
[19:21] <bluesabre> hows it going, Unit193?
[19:21] <Unit193> Hot and sticky. :/
[19:21] <Unit193> You?
[19:22] <bluesabre> Slowly, very very slowly
[20:03] <knome> forestpiskie, desktop launcher?
[20:04] <knome> bluesabre, we definitely should start with preparing this cycle so we would unleash the full power of automated testing for 14.04
[20:11] <skellat> knome: You sound like an officer aboard The Death Star there... :-)
[20:11] <knome> :)
[20:11] <knome> it's too hot here.
[20:12] <skellat> How hot is it?
[20:14] <knome> around 25C
[20:14] <knome> but that's too hot
[20:15] <skellat> It is 28.9C here in Ashtabula
[20:15] <knome> i know, i know, it's hotter there
[20:15] <bluesabre> knome, sure thing.  I'm going to start working with this more just for regression testing on all my apps :)
[20:15] <skellat> Then again, I used to live in Nevada where 39.4C was normal
[20:15] <knome> bluesabre, cool
[20:15] <bluesabre> its pretty awesome
[20:18] <bluesabre> elfy, we can probably tweak the gedit tests for use with mousepad
[20:19] <Noskcaj> stop complaining about warmth! It's -5 outside ATM
[20:19] <knome> sounds like a good place to be in
[20:24] <skellat> Noskcaj: Which state are you enjoying such Australian winter conditions in?
[20:24] <Noskcaj> skellat, New South Wales
[20:24] <skellat> Ah
[20:25] <skellat> Chilly night for an antarctic blast
[20:30] <Noskcaj> skellat, if that was directed at me, you might want to study geography a bit more
[22:34] <skellat> Noskcaj: I know.  The state of Victoria is closer and across the Tasman Straits is NZ which is the ultimate easy access besides Chile to Antarctica.  :-)
[22:35] <Noskcaj> that was a bit overkill, but yes


[00:00] <cjwatson> I'd appreciate review of choose-mirror
[00:00] <cjwatson> a couple of people mentioned the missing proxy question during ISO testing
[00:03]  * ScottK is totally unfamiliar with D-I, so not particularly comfortable being the reviewer.
[07:55] <ara> good morning mvo
[08:02] <mvo> hey ara, good morning
[08:08] <mvo> hey, good morning jibel
[08:09] <jibel> Good morning mvo!
[09:15] <micahg> could someone please look at bug 650601 today
[09:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650601 in libfxscintilla (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update libfxscintilla to 2.11.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650601
[10:09] <cjwatson> micahg: I can't see what practical difference this enigmail upload makes?  the merge mostly seems cosmetic
[10:09] <cjwatson> micahg: is there something I missed?
[10:58] <Riddell> I can't log in with today's Kubuntu CD
[10:58] <Riddell> "authentication error" on linux console
[11:58] <Riddell> yep, no "ubuntu" user on the ubuntu desktop ISO either
[11:58]  * Riddell looks at NCommander, last uploader of casper
[12:02] <cjwatson> meep
[12:02]  * cjwatson rsyncs and will have a look if nobody else does
[12:07] <cjwatson> ttx: likewise-open: is this Mac as in OS X, or Mac as in powerpc, or something else?
[12:07]  * NCommander hides out of site from Riddell's gaze.
[12:07] <cjwatson> (also I suspect that the autoconf error you're hitting might just be because the AC_CHECK_MEMBERS arguments were line-wrapped ...)
[12:08] <NCommander> Riddell: can you get the casper log and such? the patch I cooked should only fire on UNE + ARM, if it broke Kubuntu, then I made a typo somewhere
[12:08] <cjwatson> not seeing an obvious reason why recent changes would have affected ubuntu user creation in any way
[12:30] <ttx> cjwatson: that would be Mac as in OSX. I tried without the linewrap... and it still failed, same error
[12:30] <cjwatson> ok - would have approved but I see somebody already did ;-)
[12:31] <ttx> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[12:31] <ttx> cjwatson: I wonder if that's the "->" in the aggregate that it doesn't like.
[12:32] <ttx> cjwatson: and.. it used to work.
[12:40] <cjwatson> Riddell: user-setup bug actually
[12:41] <cjwatson> ogra: do check whether your changes are actually valid shell :-(
[12:42] <cjwatson> (I should have checked too when accepting it)
[12:43] <cjwatson> Riddell: please review user-setup 1.28ubuntu10 when it lands
[12:43] <Riddell> ok
[12:50] <cjwatson> ttx: should bug 600174 be on the server-mrs list?
[12:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 600174 in axis2c (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "axis2c fails to build from source in linaro (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600174
[12:50]  * ttx looks
[12:51] <ttx> cjwatson: hrm, looks a bit flaky. Yes, should be on our list, will add.
[12:51] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:00] <ogra_ac> cjwatson, whats wrong ?
[13:02]  * ogra_ac checks the branch
[13:02] <Riddell> missing bracket
[13:02] <ogra_ac> argh
[13:02] <ogra_ac> sorry sorry sorry
[13:30] <ScottK> Is oneconf supposed to be in Universe?
[13:37] <cjwatson> ScottK: nothing depends on it and it's not seeded ...
[13:38] <ScottK> cjwatson: OK.  It seemed odd to see Ubuntu One stuff in Universe.
[13:38] <seb128> it's not ubuntuone
[13:38] <cjwatson> I guess it's experimental maybe?
[13:38] <ScottK> seb128: Oh.  OK.
[13:38] <seb128> it's didrocks' project
[13:38] <seb128> it didn't get promoted this cycle because desktopcouch is not reliable enough
[13:39] <seb128> we couldn't get it tested
[13:39] <ScottK> I see.
[13:39] <seb128> btw when do you think you will start rolling images for the release?
[13:40] <didrocks> even if it's in universe and we can't get a lot of testing due to desktopcouch working for not enough people, I try to get it in shape :)
[13:40] <seb128> we got a few packages that didn't get rebuild with recent rosetta exports
[13:40] <seb128> ie xdg-user-dirs
[13:40] <seb128> or shared-mime-info
[13:40] <ScottK> In that case, accepted.
[13:40] <seb128> dpm just pointed that today
[13:41] <seb128> is there still a slot to get such updates?
[13:43] <didrocks> ScottK: thanks
[13:43] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[13:43] <didrocks> ScottK: I'll certainly have a new Quickly bug-fix release later or tomorrow btw
[13:44] <ScottK> OK.
[13:44] <ScottK> Universe stuff tomorrow is fine.
[14:13] <Laney> I want to sync a haskell library and do some rebuilds against it
[14:13] <Laney> is there still time?
[14:17] <ScottK> Laney: If it's important and doesn't touch anything that's seeded, yes.
[14:18] <Laney> it's important enough, yes
[14:18]  * Laney does
[14:19] <ScottK> Haskell isn't seeded anywhere is it?
[14:19] <Laney> no
[14:21] <ScottK> Should be fine then.
[14:23] <Laney> shall I wait for a normal sync or upload it myself?
[14:24] <ScottK> How about file a sync bug.
[14:24] <ScottK> Let me see what I can do with it.
[14:24] <Laney> right, that was the question
[14:25] <Laney> Need to wait for dinstall+mirror push then
[14:25] <ScottK> Ping me when it's done.
[14:25] <Laney> k
[14:25] <ScottK> Oh, in that case, go ahead and upload it.
[14:25] <cjwatson> if you give me an upload signed by a key in the Debian keyring, I can sync it
[14:25] <Laney> cjwatson: It's on incoming
[14:25] <ScottK> Ohhh.  Even better.
[14:25] <cjwatson> or point to it on incoming.d.o
[14:25]  * Laney fishes out the dsc
[14:25] <Laney> (haskell-gtk)
[14:25] <Laney> http://incoming.debian.org/haskell-gtk_0.11.0-5.dsc
[14:26] <cjwatson> right, I can sync that, give me a minute to check sigs and such
[14:26] <Laney> sure, thanks
[14:27] <didrocks> ev: cjwatson: I guess today's iso showing a gdm prompt when clicking on "try ubuntu" either on ubiquity session or from syslinux is known? (seems like there is no ubuntu user in the system but I can get no tty)
[14:28] <cjwatson> didrocks: yes, known and fixed
[14:28] <didrocks> cjwatson: great, I'm tracking another bug, it seems the keymap (at least the French one: azerty keyboard) is not taken into account when you use syslinux to choose "try ubuntu" or "install ubuntu" instead of the ubiquity session
[14:29] <didrocks> but as I can't test today's iso, it will have to wait for deeper testing I guess :)
[14:33] <cjwatson> Laney: synced
[14:33] <Laney> cjwatson: thanks muchly
[14:34] <Laney> hopefully my graphs will go duly red and i won't have to think
[14:45] <ScottK> cjwatson: Would you please throw http://paste.debian.net/93211/ and mass-sync.py?  That takes care of all the pending sync requests for ~ubuntu-archive.
[14:49] <cjwatson> ScottK: doesn't the third line need to be -S experimental?
[14:50]  * ScottK looks
[14:50] <ScottK> cjwatson: Yes.  Sorry about that.
[14:51] <cjwatson> ScottK: the last line seems problematic because experimental currently has rygel 0.8.0-1
[14:51] <cjwatson> (BTW, sync-helper.py is useful for this kind of stuff, if you haven't seen it)
[14:51] <ScottK> cjwatson: I know it's not exactly what was ack'ed, but it's also development snapshot to stable release, so I thought it best to go ahead.
[14:51] <ScottK> I have not, I'll try it.
[14:52] <cjwatson> ok.  similarly gupnp-vala is .12 rather than .11, is that ok?
[14:54] <ScottK> cjwatson: Let's give that one a pass for now.  I'll look into it.
[14:55] <cjwatson> ok, skipping that
[15:00] <cjwatson> # Binaries are produced by TI, and the rpath cannot be rationally adjusted.
[15:00] <cjwatson> rsalveti: ^- do you know about the chrpath package?
[15:00] <cjwatson> rsalveti: I assume this is also related to why you have those awful libXau.so.0 and libXdmcp.so.0 symlinks?
[15:02] <cjwatson> rsalveti: binaries on their way into the archive now ...
[15:02] <rsalveti> cjwatson: yeah, ugly binaries and links
[15:03] <rsalveti> missing soname, not that nice
[15:03] <rsalveti> cjwatson: cool, thank you very much!
[15:03] <cjwatson> ScottK: done
[15:03] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[15:55] <didrocks> cjwatson: it seems that I found the bug about keyboard layout not beeing taken into account, but I would prefer you to have a look first: bug #651046
[15:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651046 in casper (Ubuntu) "[maverick] wrong keyboard layout in live or ubiquity session (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651046
[15:59] <cjwatson> didrocks: dup of bug 594162 then
[15:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 594162 in busybox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "segmentation fault while downloading preseed file (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594162
[15:59] <cjwatson> didrocks: please don't work around it
[15:59] <cjwatson> cyphermox said he was going to test my busybox fix
[16:00] <didrocks> cjwatson: oh good then. please disapprove it then
[16:00] <didrocks> I'll dup it too
[16:00] <cjwatson> disapprove?
[16:00] <cjwatson> it's not nominated or anything
[16:00] <cjwatson> oh, the branch
[16:01] <cjwatson> didrocks: if you want to test busybox-initramfs from my PPA, that would be good too
[16:02] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, doing it then :)
[16:28] <didrocks> cjwatson: seems to work for me :-) nice!
[16:32] <cyphermox> sweet.
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> what's the absolute cut-off date for fixes to seeded packages? (ie, should i be preparing them as a SRU now)?
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> i want to get bug 646076 fixed really
[16:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 646076 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-display-properties: cannot save systemwide resolution (affects: 11) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646076
[16:37] <seb128> it's a one liner to create a directory on disk
[16:37] <seb128> one liner in the debian directory
[16:40] <cjwatson> I think absolute cut-off is still a day or two away
[16:41] <seb128> ok
[16:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I guess upload now then ;-)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[16:43] <doko> cjwatson, ScottK: ok to go on with bug #654613 ?
[16:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 654613 in multisync0.90 (Ubuntu) (and 10 other projects) "remove packages needing opensync (<< 0.30) in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654613
[16:43]  * ScottK looks at cjwatson.
[16:43] <ScottK> There are quite a few removal bugs pending for ~ubuntu-archive.
[16:44] <doko> I'm currently only working on NBS
[16:49] <cjwatson> doko: did the Debian maintainer know how much of the opensync system this was going to take out?  how much of opensync is left?
[16:50] <doko> cjwatson: well, it's basically removing all of it. the alternative, afaiu, would be to revert to opensync (<< 0.30)
[16:51] <cjwatson> is there any way we can reserve the option of putting it back in in an SRU?  people do actually use opensync
[16:51] <cjwatson> (was the conversation with the Debian maintainer somewhere public?)
[16:52] <doko> no, azeem pinged me on Friday an a private channel
[16:55] <cjwatson> I'm worried about the results but don't see what else we can do really
[16:55] <cjwatson> I do think we should restore it in an SRU if at all possible
[16:57] <cjwatson> the bug needs some better discussion of the problem and why this is the only option - people are going to find it while wondering what happened to opensync
[17:26] <micahg> cjwatson: all the enigmail merge does is decrease the diff with Debian
[17:32] <cjwatson> micahg: somebody seems to have accepted it, but from now to release, please save such things for natty
[17:33] <Daviey> Regarding mythexport.... it's a universe package, which fixes the package (current one is unusable).. the thing that makes the diff look larger is removals of hunks of commented code.. which i guess he could/should have left that - but he has worked hard on that, and so I sponsored it to give him the best chance of getting it in.  I told him that you may reject it :)
[17:35] <micahg> cjwatson: Sorry, I thought since it was unseeded, that was a safe merge
[17:58] <Daviey> Would the release team be able to comment on bug #654657 please? :)
[17:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 654657 in python-django-openid-auth (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Duplicate package (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654657
[17:58] <Daviey> (not urgent)
[18:00] <ScottK> Daviey: Commented
[18:02] <Daviey> ScottK: thanks
[19:32] <Daviey> ScottK: I've realised that i foolishly uploaded mythexport (currently in unapproved) with .bzr bundled... Would you mind nuking it, so i can reupload?
[19:32] <ScottK> Sure thing.
[19:32] <ScottK> Daviey: Rejected.
[19:33] <Daviey> \o/, thanks
[20:19] <NCommander> cjwatson Riddell: was the casper not properly creating a user bug filed/fixed already?
[20:19]  * NCommander isn't seeing anything in th ebackscroll and got bit by this bug now :-/
[20:20] <cjwatson> yes, fixed in user-setup 1.28ubuntu10
[20:20] <cjwatson> do you need an updated build of something on cdimage?
[20:21] <cjwatson> I've rebuilt a few things but not the full set
[20:21] <NCommander> cjwatson: armel+dove needs a respin. probably also armel+omap*
[20:21] <NCommander> er, actually, probably not, as omap doesn't use casper
[20:22] <cjwatson> dove running
[20:22] <cjwatson> does jasper use user-setup?  it wasn't a casper bug
[20:23] <NCommander> cjwatson: TBH, I have no clue, and no hardware to test
[20:24] <cjwatson> quick source grep suggests not
[20:28] <NCommander> cjwatson: then just dove
[20:30] <cjwatson> Daviey: this mythexport upload drops the change in 2.2.1-0ubuntu2, which was an installability fix
[20:31] <Daviey> cjwatson: Hmm
[20:31]  * Daviey looks
[20:33] <cjwatson> actually, sending mail
[20:39] <Daviey> cjwatson: Hmm.. dammit... i checked on a maverick box - and apt seemed to process it correctly.... just re-tried, and it didn't
[20:46] <Daviey> cjwatson: Thanks for the mail... talking with John atm.
[20:46]  * Daviey feels a plonker.
[20:48] <cjwatson> no worries, that's what we're here for
[20:48] <cjwatson> ... not for making you feel like a plonker. :-)
[20:51] <Daviey> heh
[20:57] <superm1> Riddell, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56813600/casper_1.244_1.245.diff.gz causes an error on non-kde systems.  that 48kubuntu_disable_restart_notifications should be testing that it's really on a KDE image, or that the directory at least exists first
[20:58] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[20:59] <Riddell> let me ping the author
[20:59] <Riddell> superm1: what's the affect of that error?
[21:01] <fabrice_sp> Hi, I'm working with enna's upstream to try to get it fixed in Maverick. The only solution would be to sync 3 libs (one is already in Debian, 2 are waiting in mentor) plus the enna package. the only rdepends of the libs are enna. What is the probability of get a FFe acked?
[21:02] <superm1> Riddell, i noticed it as an error in the casper log.  it's the last thing that casper runs, i'm unsure if it actually causes casper to exit prematurely though
[21:02] <Riddell> fabrice_sp: do it quick :)
[21:02] <superm1> it's hard to tell because user-setup was rather broken causing other interesting problems
[21:02] <Riddell> superm1: we'll get it fixed
[21:03] <fabrice_sp> Riddell, I'll try :-) Thanks
[21:03] <superm1> Riddell, cool thanks.  perhaps it might make sense to move all things specific to certain flavors into packages only installed on those flavors for natty
[21:04] <superm1> that's what I did for all the mythbuntu casper stuff
[21:29] <ScottK> ttx: I'm inclined to approve Bug 636482 - I'd like your opinion from a server team perspective.
[21:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636482 in python-django (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Update python-django to 1.2.3 version to fix an XSS vulnerability (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636482
[22:07] <micahg> cjwatson: Since you said I should avoid "cosmetic" merges, I wanted to ask you about mediatomb, when you granted the FFe, it was on teh condition that I merge it from Debian before release, does this still apply
[22:42] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I just installed today .1 daily server in a VM and it won't reboot. I get 'Rebooting into new system... and then pop out to the installer menu. it looks like clock-setup returned '1'. is this something you are aware of?
[22:42] <jdstrand> cjwatson: actually, that clock setup might be a cascading failure...
[22:43] <jdstrand> I thought I remebered something about not being able to reboot, but couldn't find it...
[22:45] <jdstrand> hmm.. yes, that wouldn't be the cause. it looks like the silesystems got unmounted but it just didn't reboot
[22:46]  * Daviey screams.
[22:47] <jdstrand> Daviey: are you screaming at me?
[22:47] <Daviey> jdstrand: no, generally :)
[22:47] <jdstrand> heh
[22:47] <jdstrand> Daviey: was it in reaction to my comments, or unrelated?
[22:48] <Daviey> jdstrand: Addition to :)... things were looking so lovely a few days ago :)
[22:49]  * jdstrand tries to find the installer magic he knew 6 months ago to debug this
[22:52] <cjwatson> micahg: that wasn't what I meant - I simply meant that I didn't want orig.tar files to get out of sync with Debian, and that the packaging should be vaguely congruent, etc.
[22:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: give me a few minutes and I can help.  toddler-wrangling just now
[23:00] <jdstrand> oh, duh-- 'save debug logs'
[23:02] <jdstrand> ok, there are some rtc not found messages
[23:02] <jdstrand> but ultimately clock-setup claims to have been successful
[23:03] <jdstrand> some umount errors about Device or resource busy, and can't open /proc/mounts
[23:03] <jdstrand> but then: Oct  4 21:32:48 init: The system is going down NOW!
[23:04] <cjwatson> can I see the full syslog?
[23:04] <jdstrand> yes
[23:05] <jdstrand> /home/jamie/syslog on chinstrap
[23:05] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ^
[23:09] <cjwatson> hmm.
[23:09] <cjwatson> nothing to do with clock-setup.  it worked fine the first time.
[23:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I have an appt in 20 minutes, but have put all the logs in /home/jamie/server-installer-wont-reboot-logs.tar.gz on chinstrap
[23:09] <cjwatson> Oct  4 21:32:48 finish-install: umount: can't umount /dev/pts: Device or resource busy
[23:09] <cjwatson> that's the first point things seem to go particularly badly wrong
[23:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I'm here until then though
[23:09] <cjwatson> though not 100% sure
[23:09] <cjwatson> can I set up a reproduction case for this?  server install in kvm?  anything particular?
[23:10] <cjwatson> the stuff most directly relevant here hasn't changed recently
[23:11] <jdstrand> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/506029/
[23:12] <jdstrand> cjwatson: it isn't anything special, though I did use virt-install
[23:12] <jdstrand> cjwatson: the paste has the ps auxww output for virt-install and the full kvm line
[23:12] <cjwatson> I never use the libvirt stuff for installer testing, it's such a pain for testing the installer as opposed to deploying a target system
[23:13] <jdstrand> being a libvirt maintainer in Ubuntu, I tend to use it :)
[23:13] <jdstrand> but, the kvm line is there
[23:13] <cjwatson> guess I'll just try virtio disks and hope that the rest doesn't matter much
[23:14] <jdstrand> 768 ram, I do see '-rtc base=utc', ... raw disk image, ...
[23:14] <cjwatson> rtc won't matter
[23:14] <jdstrand> I would be surprised if the other stuff made a difference
[23:14] <jdstrand> but yeah virtio
[23:14] <cjwatson> what partitioning?
[23:15] <jdstrand> cjwatson: default lvm
[23:15] <cjwatson> ok
[23:15] <jdstrand> cjwatson: all installation defaults-- hit Ok everywhere
[23:15] <jdstrand> cjwatson: this did work the middle of last week
[23:15] <jdstrand> (virt-install and all)
[23:20] <cjwatson> it's bizarre, init thinks it's trying to shut down at least ...
[23:20] <cjwatson> can you reproduce it on a second run?  there's probably not much interesting evidence left
[23:20] <cjwatson> my test is running
[23:21] <jdstrand> cjwatson: sure, but it will have to be later. I gotta go in 5
[23:21]  * cjwatson nods
[23:25] <jdstrand> k, heading out. I'll try to kick it off later tonight (probably ~5 hours). otherwise first thing in the morning
[23:27] <cjwatson> this always turns out to be wrong when I say it, but it feels like cosmic rays
[23:28] <micahg> cjwatson: oh, sorry, so I should then wait to merge until natty, I have a regression from Lucid that I wanted to fix as well (lacking javascript that ScottK said I could go ahead and do)
[23:30] <jdstrand> cjwatson: well, I'll try it a few times and see if I can reproduce and get back to you. thanks for looking at it
[23:30]  * jdstrand really leaves
[23:36] <cjwatson> micahg: fixing regressions is fine, but please keep the diffs minimal
[23:36] <micahg> cjwatson: ok, I'll save the merge for Natty then, thanks
[23:36] <cjwatson> we're getting to the point of having quite limited buildd and reviewer time remaining
[23:38] <micahg> could someone please look at bug 650601
[23:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650601 in libfxscintilla (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update libfxscintilla to 2.11.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650601
[23:38] <cjwatson> jdstrand: would help if you'd said which tasks you were installing :-/
[23:38] <cjwatson> it's possible that might matter
[23:39] <cjwatson> might be possible to decipher it from the logs
[23:49] <cjwatson> jdstrand: reboots fine here.  please let me know which tasks you're using and I'll try with that


[13:00] <paulproteus> tiemonster: Hi!
[13:00] <tiemonster> hi
[13:00] <tiemonster> Do I know you?
[13:01] <paulproteus> Nope! Let me explain, one sec, slow typing this morning (-:
[13:01] <paulproteus> You Tweeted about wanting to work on an open source job board thingamabob, and two years ago I co-started openhatch.org.
[13:01] <paulproteus> I thought that sindcde you're interested in that sort of thing, maybe we could join forces and make that site rock way more.
[13:02] <paulproteus> s/sindcde/since/ # not just a slow typing morning, but bad typing morning, it seems
[13:03] <tiemonster> paulproteus: sweet!
[13:03] <paulproteus> I have some ideas about what sucks about it, and could always use more ideas. Redesign or coding help is extremely welcome. It's in Python.
[13:03] <paulproteus> :D
[13:03] <tiemonster> I was actually sent your way by gwoo. Do you know him?
[13:03] <paulproteus> We hang out in #openhatch all the time, and I would love it if you'd join too (-:
[13:03] <paulproteus> Yeah, isn't he a sourceforger?
[13:03] <tiemonster> and a former CakePHP dev
[13:04] <paulproteus> Nice.
[13:04] <tiemonster> https://twitter.com/#!/gwoo
[13:04] <tiemonster> He just got hired on at Orchestra.IO
[13:04] <paulproteus> Neat!
[13:04] <tiemonster> anyways, yeah. let me come on over and lurk.
[15:21] <Testtube> Hello
[15:23] <tiemonster> yo
[15:23] <Testtube> Are you from the Tampa Area?
[15:23] <tiemonster> nope
[15:23] <tiemonster> but plenty here are
[15:24] <Testtube> tiemonster do you have a moment?
[15:24] <tiemonster> maybe two. what's up?
[15:25] <Testtube> Our company is looking for a local Ubuntu/debian expert to help out with a issue that we are encountering. We would likely be interested in bringing the person in and pay for consulting. Would this be the right place for that?
[15:27] <tiemonster> probably posting on the meetup page for the Tampa Linux group would be best
[15:27] <tiemonster> http://www.meetup.com/Tampa-Linux/
[15:28] <tiemonster> well, here: http://www.meetup.com/Tampa-Linux/messages/boards/
[15:28] <tiemonster> I'm off to lunch. Try contacting mhall119 if you need additional assistance.
[15:29] <mhall119> tiemonster: watch for the launch, it's going up now
[15:29] <Testtube> Thanks
[15:43] <tiemonster> mhall119: too cloudy :-(
[15:44] <mhall119> yeah, I watched on TV
[15:44] <mhall119> cjohnston: did you get to see it/
[15:44] <mhall119> ?
[15:45] <tiemonster> we can tell our children we lived in a time when people cared about something beyond the end of their nose ;-)
[15:45] <mhall119> there's still Orion
[15:54] <mhall119> damn you Bay News 9
[17:01] <DammitJim> it's gone :(


[00:25] <kotgc> test
[00:33] <JimBuntu> toast!
[00:39] <kotgc> How to have Ubuntu Pro support respond.  It's been almost a week with several emails?
[00:39] <kotgc> 24/7 support advertised for $500 per year.
[00:44] <tomreyn> kotgc: sorry to hear this. but i'm afraid this is probably not the right place to find help with this, since the irc community is mostly volunteer run.
[00:44] <tomreyn> there#s a contact form and lots of phone numbers at https://ubuntu.com/support/contact-us?product=support-overview - have you tried these?
[00:46] <tomreyn> kotgc: i also found this, which has additional information and links: https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/53e01098-Canonical.Technical.Support.Handbook.04.07.22.pdf
[00:50] <kotgc> tomreyn, thanks, submitted for about the 5th time, see what happends https://ubuntu.com/support/thank-you
[01:03] <tomreyn> kotgc: https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-pro-description#uprosd-support-levels also discusses escalation options, if needed.
[01:38] <al1r4d> Goodbye 18.04, you will be missed
[01:38] <al1r4d> T_T
[04:47] <danjorito> Hello
[04:48] <danjorito> HelloWorld for you proggramers
[04:48] <danjorito> 8[04:50] <danjorito> Hello JanC
[04:52] <realivanjx> is there a way to disable dns cache on ubuntu 23.04?
[05:10] <danjorito> hello buddy, that's not an LTS version why would you use that?
[05:12] <realivanjx> because i want to?
[05:21] <nwoob> I have to do sudo dhclient -r on each restart to access internet
[05:21] <nwoob> what can I do to fix this
[05:22] <nwoob> my /etc/resolve.conf is also not a symlink
[05:33] <rfm> nwoob, if resolv.conf is not a symlink, then you have been screwing around with the net setup, and it is unlikely we can help you/
[09:02] <elias_a> I managed inadvertently change mouse pointer into highlighted mode. No I have a green circle around the mouse pointer. Nice feature but how do I turn it off? :P
[09:03] <elias_a> Apparently I have given some keyboard command but I have no clue what it is...
[09:09] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/01/highlight-mouse-cursor-ubuntu
[09:11] <oerheks> accessibillity > turn on the option for "Locate Pointer" in the bottom right. When done, press Ctrl on keyboard to quickly find your mouse pointer
[09:15] <elias_a> oerheks: TY - good to know. In my case the answer was this behaviour is a feature of vokoscreen which I had open in the background. Have to read the documentation.
[09:17] <oerheks> i thought it was a direct shortkey, like screen recording"Ctrl + Alt + Shift + R"
[11:13] <maya329> Hey guys, I have some question about hardware, specifically RAM, for use with my Ubuntu server, and is wondering if this is the right channel to ask, and if not, what is the best channel to.
[11:19] <oerheks> maya329, you could try here, there is also #hardware
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !details | maya329
[12:13] <weedmic> ubottu: did you solve your issue?
[12:13] <weedmic> soz, maya329
[12:16] <oerheks> !rootirc
[12:24] <kotgc> Hello, anyone made bridges on Ubuntu 22.04 with renderer NetworkManager, I'm getting many different methods and no luck yet?
[12:26]  * ogra bets there are a lot of people in #ubuntu-server that have done it ... but not sure if they'd do it with "renderer: NetworkManager" indeed
[12:27] <kotgc> ogra, ok
[12:27] <ogra> technically the syntax in netplan should be identical, regardless of the renderer though ...
[12:29] <kotgc> ogra, ok, I'm just trying to use the default showing in Ubuntu 22.04.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <elias_a> Cheerio!
[13:39] <paul424> Hello how od I disable automounting of external hard drive ( it is mounted as /dev/sdc1 whatever what) OR how do I format disc drive  ?
[13:39] <paul424> to format I need the first ... so ..
[13:40] <oerheks> automount only happens when you have added the drive in fstab; if an icon appears, it is not really mounted, just noted it exists.
[13:40] <paul424> 1) I am on Ubuntu Live 2) lsblk reports it is mounted as /dev/sdc1
[13:40] <oerheks> click on the icon, right mouse, unmount, and run disks
[13:41] <leftyfb> paul424: /dev/sdc1 is not a mount. It's the device file for the 1st partition on the "sdc" drive
[13:41] <mkay> id like to transfer some files from linux desktop(cil) to raspberrypi(retroarch)separate linux same network, should i use ssh or ftp?
[13:41] <paul424> oh crap, I mistake everything
[13:42] <mkay> just games from retroarch
[13:42] <mkay> n64
[13:42] <leftyfb> mkay: scp or rsync
[13:42] <mkay> ty
[13:42] <mkay> port forwarding or not really a thing from and to same network
[13:45] <paul424> crap I unmount and in a blink of an eye it is remounted again  ! what's wrong with this sysstem ? \
[13:45] <oerheks> showing an icon does not mean it is mounted.
[13:46] <paul424> lsblk
[13:46] <paul424> +-sdc1   8:33   0 931.3G  0 part /media/ubuntu/483A5D2D45C39627
[13:46] <leftyfb> paul424: sudo umount /media/ubuntu/*
[13:46] <leftyfb> run that in a terminal
[13:47] <oerheks> sdc1 seems your live iso
[13:47] <oerheks> ?
[13:47] <paul424> no, its an  external hard drive I just plugged in
[13:48] <oerheks> no, 931 gb is too big
[13:48] <paul424> and your command does not help either
[13:48] <leftyfb> paul424: why are you unplugging it and plugging it back in?
[13:48] <paul424> I don\t
[13:49] <oerheks> showing in lsblk dies not mean it is mounted, see ' mount'mount
[13:49] <oerheks> if it shows up there, i eat a banana
[13:51] <paul424> I just coped this time , being faster than a speed of light
[13:59] <kotgc>  /join #ubuntu-server
[14:00] <kotgc> test
[14:00] <leftyfb> kotgc: please test your irc client in #test
[14:03] <kotgc> leftyfb, k
[14:21] <p3lim> where are settings set with `snap set ...` stored? it's not under /etc/snap atleast
[14:21] <p3lim> specifically after the system settings
[14:24] <paul424> with rsync -axHAWXS --numeric-ids --info=progress2 /media/ubuntu/TI31262600A /media/ubuntu/7F141D4C7C949D97/Malwina/  I get such and such errors https://pastebin.com/dXnttr72
[14:24] <paul424> Is the fault on the source or destination disc ?
[14:26] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs/system-options  .. in etc/sysctl.d/99-snapd.conf ?
[14:26] <ogra> p3lim, somewhere internally in snapd ... code is here https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/tree/master/overlord/configstate/configcore
[14:27] <ogra> system stuff is handled in corecfg.go IIRC
[14:29] <leftyfb> paul424: the destination is the issue
[14:29] <paul424> great
[14:29] <paul424> could the hard drive external disc be broken  ?
[14:30] <paul424> how do I test it ?
[14:32] <leftyfb> paul424: you could run SMART tests on the drive or a filesystem check (depending on the filesystem)
[14:34] <maya329> Hi guys, my server's motherboard is 0B54H, (details: http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/specs-0b54h-hp/) It has 2 CPU slots, currently Xeon X5660. It supports 6 DIMM slots, Max 48GB (ECC Registered), 6-channel DDR3 800/1066/1333 MHz, (3 channels per each CPU). Currently it's 6 x 4GB DDR3 1333mhz sticks. I'm thinking of upgrading it to max, so I'm
[14:34] <maya329> thinking I can do 16gb + 4GB + 4GB each channel, total of 2*(16+4+4) to reach the 48GB max cap. So I'm wondering if that is possible as I'm not a very hardware guy, but I heard stuff about balancing the RAM
[14:35] <leftyfb> maya329: you're looking for #hardware
[14:36] <maya329> Thanks
[14:38] <oerheks> ecc wants pairs..?
[14:41] <leftyfb> oerheks: there is further discussion being had in #hardware at the moment about this
[15:37] <meta-coder> Hello
[16:42] <Jym> what is the syntax to post shell commands directly to a website that gives a link back? like a direct pastebin sort thing?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> Jym: termbin?
[16:43] <Jym> lotuspsychje I think thats it
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit
[16:43] <oerheks> command | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:43] <Jym> ty
[16:47] <easyme> Hello, how can I make bootable ubuntu to usb?
[16:48] <leftyfb> easyme: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
[16:50] <Miles8of9> if i add another hdd/nvme to the pc, i need to format and partition it etc etc... but i also need to add it to /etc/fstab
[16:50] <Miles8of9> in good old times we used to edit it by hand
[16:51] <Miles8of9> is it automated by something now?
[16:51] <easyme> Does rufus make usb unusable/damaged for next use?
[16:52] <leftyfb> easyme: no
[16:55] <Miles8of9> yes! i burned ubuntu 23.04 iso to usb using rufus and it destroyed my pendrive
[16:55] <leftyfb> false
[16:55] <Miles8of9> now it's readonly and there's no way to make it writable again
[16:56] <leftyfb> Miles8of9: you re-initialize/repartition it
[16:56] <Miles8of9> readonly
[16:56] <leftyfb> it's got a read-only filesystem on it. That doesn't mean it can't be repartitioned
[16:56] <oerheks> one can dd the drive with zeros
[16:56] <oerheks> and start over
[16:56] <leftyfb> yep
[16:57] <Miles8of9> no.... i've tried to burn another iso on it using dd but it refuses
[16:58] <leftyfb> Miles8of9: then the drive is bad and was before flashing ubuntu to it. Flashing iso's to usb flash drives do not cause damage
[16:59] <oerheks> what is the command you used?
[17:00] <oerheks> something of=/dev/sdb1 ?? or of=/dev/sdb
[17:00] <Miles8of9> sdb
[17:00] <oerheks> use sdb, not sdb1 ( as example)
[17:00] <Miles8of9> i used sdb
[17:01] <oerheks> then run fsck on that drive, maybe it is just dirty/not properly removed
[17:01] <leftyfb> Miles8of9: would you like help trying to determine if the drive is bad and/or recovering it?
[17:02] <leftyfb> oerheks: fsck isn't going to work on an iso9660 filesystem
[17:04] <Miles8of9> whole drive is readonly... it won't allow me to delete partition
[17:05] <leftyfb> Miles8of9: would you like help trying to determine if the drive is bad and/or recovering it?
[17:06] <Miles8of9> i'll be happy to do it but not now, i must go, tomorrow or this evening i'll be back
[17:08] <leftyfb> Miles8of9: future reference: sudo wipefs /dev/sdb # make sure sdb is the flash drive
[17:09] <leftyfb> Miles8of9: sorry, sudo wipefs --all /dev/sdb
[17:10] <Psil0[m]1> Hey folks
[17:40] <stenit> I see this in my boot config: CONFIG_NFS_DISABLE_UDP_SUPPORT=y - Is there any way to enable UDP support for NFS in Jammy? I tried to change it to no + boot system, but I still get the mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified, when trying to mount it with udp option
[17:43] <rbox> thats showing what the kernel was compiled with
[17:43] <rbox> if you want to change that you need to compile a new kernel
[17:47] <stenit> Okay, thanks. Will try that =)
[17:51] <ioria> or an lxd instance of 20.04, seems it's enabled there
[17:52] <leftyfb> ioria: lxc containers share the kernel with the host
[17:52] <ioria> ho, yes, right
[17:52] <ioria> a vm then
[17:52] <jar-el> Hi, I have a problem with sound since I upgraded to ubuntu 20.04, ubuntu doesn't recognize my 5.1 speakers anymore but I only have (really crappy) hdmi sound via my monitor. Does anyone know how to fix it?
[18:11] <ooberbanana> can you select a new sound device in your settings,  instead of your monitor audio?
[18:15] <nvmd> I can. Can you?
[18:16] <ooberbanana> i was responding to jar-el...
[18:34] <akik> did ubuntu save the gnome left side icon bar in the latest gnome?
[18:35] <leftyfb> akik: you mean like this? https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-desktop-23-04-release-roundup
[18:35] <akik> leftyfb: thanks for the confirmation
[19:09] <jar-el> ooberbanana: no, I can't, it's not there
[19:10] <jar-el> no matter what I try, it doesn't appear there
[19:10] <jar-el> what do you mean with "new" sound device?
[19:10] <jar-el> only hdmi is there, or sometimes "dummy something"
[19:11] <jar-el> and sometimes a configuration selection appears, where 5.1 hdm and 7.1 hdmi appear but they don't work. Most of the times this is also not available.
[19:11] <marcopolo1> how do i make it so i can change workspaces by pressing super+left arrow/right arrow on xfce
[19:13] <Guest30234> Hi, I'm installing Ubuntu Server, and it looks like it is stuck on getting a package from the repositories. Is there a way to query the installer and / or package manager for it's current status?
[19:18] <elias_a> Guest30234: I cannot recall what the installer of server version is like. Can you get into virtual consoles using ALT+Fn keys?
[19:21] <Guest30234> elias_a: Yes I can, but after a long delay, it unstuck itself, it looks like this particular package was somewhat big, and for some reason the connection was rather slow for it
[19:21] <jar-el> I think it was "Dummy Output" that sometimes appears, like when I disconnect my hdmi monitor
[19:21] <elias_a> Guest30234: Good for you!
[19:21] <Guest30234> elias_a: thanks
[19:22] <HaakonanTG> is
[19:22] <jar-el> but couldn't do anything with that, so with another monitor connected I have no sound at all
[19:29] <rud0lf> CalculusCats has reproduced
[19:37] <kennywillzon> hi
[19:37] <xed> > xed: >Sorry but there's no world in which this password was bruteforced in 2023, < absolutely yes, luks1 is broken...
[19:38] <xed> unrelated: is there a way to get an official non-snap package for chromium?
[19:38] <xed> the chromium team doesn't maintain a ppa, do they?
[19:38] <xed> snaps are broken for people using kerberos/SPNEGO
[19:39] <kennywillzon> I new here please can you reply to me
[19:50] <aftalavera> join #nim
[19:51] <aftalavera> hello
[20:01] <axel_> anyone knows how to fix bluetoothhhhhh problem on linux?
[21:17] <JapaneseMILF> Hi
[21:17] <JapaneseMILF> Hi, I'm wondering how I can secure my webserver in a remote datacenter, from being probed by the datacenter employees.
[21:18] <JapaneseMILF> I want to prevent the datacenter employees from accessing the files on my Dedi.
[21:41] <MarkKB> !factoid
[21:59] <tomreyn> JapaneseMILF: generally speaking, if someone else has better physical access to a computer than you have, it gets really really difficult to keep the upper hand on it. this said, if it's a dedicated server that you rent, or even a VM, they should not have usually have direct access to the file system, unless you grant it to them.
[22:00] <JapaneseMILF> How would I grant it to them
[22:00] <JapaneseMILF> in a way that they cant grant themselves
[22:00] <JapaneseMILF> A dedicated server would thus be more secure than a KVM VPS, right?
[22:00] <tomreyn> JapaneseMILF: but that's more a matter of how the contracts are setup between you and them.
[22:00] <tomreyn> and whether they comply with them
[22:01] <tomreyn> but this is more of a topic for #security than #ubuntu, i guess
[22:02] <tomreyn> maybe also #hardware
[22:04] <tomreyn> if you have your own hardware in a data center with a colocation agreement, you should be better off in contractual terms than with just a virtual server. although public cloud folks are working hard on (trying to) make it harder to gain control of VMs from the host system as well, where this is undesirable. but that's a bit of voodoo.
[22:06] <JapaneseMILF> yeah
[22:06] <JapaneseMILF> would a dedicated server be harder to access than a KVM VPS
[22:06] <tomreyn> let's continue in #security
[22:11] <svm_invictvs> Heya
[22:12] <svm_invictvs> So, Ubuntu isn't opening links anymore. For example, if I click on a zoom link in Firefox it will not launch the associated application. This happened after a system update and I suspect it's got something to do with a broken config from the older version i updated. I'm curious where I may start to debug this.
[22:13] <svm_invictvs> This is happening with all links (eg Steam) and not just those from ZOom. I'm also not able to do things like open the directory to files when I download them in firefox.
[22:13] <svm_invictvs> It's clearly something to do with how the desktop handles opening files, processing URLs etc, I just don't know where to begin to debug that and I don't want ot just blow away my desktop config
[22:13] <svm_invictvs> Is there a place where Gnome stores logs or something like that?
[22:14] <svm_invictvs> Or some debugging commands I can run?
[22:18] <JapaneseMILF> Also, Im trying to learn about Linux Security, expecially for datacenter servers. What books or courses do you guys reccomend? I already have "Mastering Linux Security and Hardening - Third Edition"
[23:07] <OceanOfCum> Hey Guys, I'm seeking Linux Security Books, articles, training, bootcamps, or advice. =)
[23:07] <OceanOfCum> Also, I'm seeking a Web-Dev Framework which has all the easyness of Django, but is perhaps faster.


[04:07] <lorddelta> Greetings. There aren't any clock speech features pending for kubuntu? I'm working on a patch for the plasma clocks...to enable some new features for the clock. I would like to know if there is any support for city/region in addition to country in the klocale, or anywhere in kde...
[04:48] <lorddelta> Hmmm...looks like the answer is no....and like the true answer is, put simply, complicated.
[04:49] <lorddelta> I was going to attempt to do the whole country/city/region, but it looks like it might actually be easier to let the user specify these.
[04:50] <lorddelta> Since I'm not up to speed on the whole Location spaghetti mess.
[06:13] <cpatrick08> can somebody help me the 20120523 daily-iso iso wont launch the installer and ubiquity is version 2.11.1
[08:26] <debfx> yofel: do you know why kde-window-manager-common started depending on libegl1-mesa?
[09:19] <bulldog98>  We need a newer owncloud in precise, cause there were security issues and we should update it, I’d do all the stuff that necessary
[09:19] <bulldog98> yofel: ^
[11:04] <Tm_T> agateau: howdy
[11:06] <Tm_T> agateau: I assume that it's plasma-widget-menubar that is crashing plasma-desktop here, but without debug symbols for that applet, trace isn't very useful? http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20120524-140454.kcrash
[11:09] <apachelogger> uhm
[11:09] <apachelogger> sounds actually like deserialization of a custom dbus type falls over
[11:13] <Tm_T> happens if I close a window while the desktop is starting after login (so on a heavy load) or other similar cases
[11:37] <agateau> Tm_T: reading
[11:38] <agateau> Tm_T: indeed debug symbols would help :/
[11:44] <yofel> agateau: the symbols that are there look like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/998630
[11:47] <agateau> yofel: thanks
[11:48] <agateau> mmm, this code looks a little too confident...
[11:50] <agateau> and a little too synchronous...
[11:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:05] <Tm_T> debug symbols aren't available via our repositories, if I have understood correctly
[12:05] <Tm_T> (for this particular applet that is)
[12:07] <apachelogger> they are in the ddebs archive
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:29] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hm?
[12:30] <yofel> Tm_T: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[12:30] <Tm_T> aah thanks
[12:31] <Tm_T> perfect
[12:35] <agateau> Tm_T: can you try code from: lp:~agateau/plasma-widget-menubar/fix-crash-in-fake-unity-ats ?
[12:39] <Tm_T> sure
[12:41] <bulldog98> yofel: would you like to help me get a newer owncloud into precise, cause there are some security issues with the one in main
[12:41] <bulldog98> s/main/universe/
[12:41] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "yofel: would you like to help me get a newer owncloud into precise, cause there are some security issues with the one in universe"
[12:41] <yofel> bulldog98: you'll be better off asking a MOTU for help
[12:42] <bulldog98> yofel: point me to one please
[12:42] <rbelem> Darkwing, ping
[12:43] <yofel> bulldog98: uh... any core dev, the folks in #ubuntu-motu, or felix, jt, quintasa...
[12:44] <rbelem> heya bulldog98, yofel :-)
[12:45] <Tm_T> agateau: installed, we'll see the results when I relogin in a minute
[12:46] <apachelogger> Bug 1003918 - didn't we turn off hibernate?
[12:46] <apachelogger> that is ... our ubuntu overlords
[12:47] <Tm_T> yes
[12:47] <yofel> it's turned off by default, the release notes link to a page though that explains how to re-enable it
[12:48] <apachelogger> still don't care about the bug though :P
[12:48]  * apachelogger very much agrees with not having hibernation turned on
[12:48] <apachelogger> wayyyyy too many issues
[12:48] <yofel> agreed
[12:49] <yofel> now we just need to remove the hibernate buttons...
[12:49] <apachelogger> where
[12:50] <yofel> kickoff for example?
[12:51] <yofel> which reminds me that I need to file a bug about solid
[12:52] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:53] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/sInpW.png
[12:56] <yofel> apachelogger: just me then I guess, the interesting part:
[12:56] <yofel> $upower --dump
[12:56] <yofel>   can-hibernate    no
[12:56] <yofel> $ qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate
[12:56] <yofel> true
[12:56] <yofel> so something's wrong there
[13:00] <Tm_T> agateau: now plasma-desktop crashed even quicker, will show traces after drkonqi has loaded them successfully
[13:00] <agateau> Tm_T: damn :/
[13:02] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20120524-160126.kcrash
[13:02] <Tm_T> crash immediately after login
[13:03] <agateau> mmm, that is an assert
[13:03] <agateau> very strange
[13:03] <agateau> I actually tested that code!
[13:04] <Tm_T> (:
[13:04] <Tm_T> let me know if I have to do some further testing
[13:04] <Tm_T> now I have to rush to a bus
[13:04] <agateau> ok
[13:04] <agateau> thanks for testing
[13:08] <agateau> Tm_T: pushed a one line patch to hopefully fix that. Let me know the results when you get to test it
[13:12] <apachelogger> yofel: >>> qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate
[13:12] <apachelogger> false
[13:13] <yofel> yeah, that's what it's supposed to say
[13:13] <apachelogger> maybe you are using hal :P :P
[13:13] <yofel> uh no, most definitely not ^
[13:14] <yofel> ^^
[13:35] <Tm_T> agateau: will test
[13:36] <Quintasan> \o
[13:37] <Tm_T> mrrh, mobile connection is slow
[13:40] <Quintasan> where be me todos?
[13:48] <Tm_T> agateau: no crashes here
[13:49] <Tm_T> so seems like it's working now
[13:49] <Tm_T> well-spent bus travel (:
[13:51] <agateau> Tm_T: good!
[13:52] <Tm_T> agateau: thanks, now I don't have to worry about messy systray that is after plasma-desktop crashes
[13:52] <agateau> Tm_T: :)
[15:35] <linuxTag> ping agateau, to look who can debug it, and know which component is responsible in rendering svg in gwenview/kdm
[15:35] <agateau> linuxTag: gwenview/kdm?
[15:36] <agateau> linuxTag: gwenview uses QSvgRenderer from Qt. I don't know about KDM
[15:36] <linuxTag> agateau: for exemple http://geeko.ioda.net/git/art/12.2/kdm/panel.svg this file render perfect under webkit (shadows are good) but under gwenview, or kdm they just look plain color (grey)
[15:37] <linuxTag> as the defect is present on allmost all distribution and kde 4.7/4.8 this is more an upstream bug then ?
[15:37] <agateau> linuxTag: oh I see. It's most likely QSvgRenderer fault then
[15:41] <linuxTag> agateau: thx a lot ...
[15:42] <linuxTag> now mission is to find someone that will have fun fixing it :-)
[15:42] <agateau> :)
[15:42] <linuxTag> agateau: you ?
[15:43] <linuxTag> I can send a pack of 6 free beer .-)
[15:43] <agateau> linuxTag: I know nothing about svg rendering: I just trust what Qt offers :/
[15:43] <linuxTag> :-) see you
[16:00] <afiestas> any idea what is the best way of fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/966913
[16:06] <debfx> fix akonadi to create that folder?
[16:06] <afiestas> debfx: I'm not sure akonadi si the one to blame
[16:07] <afiestas> the problem was iirc that .local/share didn't exists
[16:07] <afiestas> going to confirm
[16:13] <debfx> xdg dir spec says "If, when attempting to write a file, the destination directory is non-existant an attempt should be made to create it with permission 0700."
[16:14] <debfx> so it is the responsibility of akonadi to create it
[16:15] <micahg> umm, so the new KDE stack pulls in libegl1-mesa and wayland, was this intended
[16:15] <micahg> 4.8.3 in precise
[16:18] <micahg> commented in SRU bug
[16:18] <debfx> I hope not, because it will make our 12.04.1 images explode
[16:19] <micahg> yeah, about 12MB larger
[16:45] <afiestas> debfx: can you paste me a url where that is docummented?
[16:45] <afiestas> and whyere that's docummented for .local/share folder, or included
[16:45] <afiestas> not sure if ~/Music is the same as .local/share
[16:49] <debfx> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[16:49] <debfx> hm I'm a bit confused why it's under "Referencing this specification"
[18:07]  * ScottK already had libegl1-mesa and did not get wayland pulled in.
[18:07] <ScottK> Did any figure out what's up with micahg's issue on new packages?
[18:23] <yofel> there were some gl/es related cmake changes, I'm looking at those again. (I had egl already installed too so didn't notice a diff either)
[18:35] <yofel> mgraesslin: looking at bug 299685 again, and your opengl build fixes in 4.8.3, as I understand it you are fully intentionally linking your kwin KCM against OpenGLES here: http://paste.kde.org/486236
[18:35] <yofel> make that kde bug http://paste.kde.org/486236
[18:35] <yofel> *sigh* - kde bug 299685
[18:40] <yofel> mgraesslin: and is there a particular reason why you made those changes only in KDE/4.8 but not master?
[19:00] <lorddelta> So, yeah, I asked this question last night, but I suppose I'll pose it again since there are people around. I want to add a feature to the clock speaker, and I wanted to know if there's a reliable way to access the city/region data in KDE...so far my research seems to point that being somewhat of an impossibility, at least with the free stuff. However, I'm not an expert with timezone databases, so is this true? And ar
[19:02] <lorddelta> Basically I'm trying to get KSpeech to speak the city/region/country as well as the time, optionally.
[19:02] <lorddelta> Country is easy; its already in the locale. But it looks like City/Region is something that doesn't exist everywhere.
[19:03] <lorddelta> Of course this is just the fault of the database, so I figure I can add the feature still, it will just have to be less automated.
[19:03] <lorddelta> Am I right?
[19:08] <claydoh> apachelogger and JontheEchidna: I want to personally thank both of you for taking time to post in kubuntuforums.
[19:09] <yofel> lorddelta: in case nobody answers again: As long as it's a coding question you might have a better chance to get help in #kde-devel for this
[19:14] <lorddelta> yofel: thnx
[19:52] <mgraesslin> yofel: ping
[19:53] <yofel> pong
[19:53] <mgraesslin> yofel: I don't understand what you pasted me above, can you give me some context, please?
[19:55] <yofel> ok, first I was trying to figure out why kwin_compositing.so suddenly linked against libEGL since 4.8.3 which is adding some dependencies to out packages
[19:55] <yofel> While I was doing that I remembered that someone had filed a bug about the kcm crashing with fglrx and you mentioning on the bug that it's because we link that against openGLES
[19:56] <yofel> now, if I look at your cmake setup, that looks intentional to me...
[19:57] <mgraesslin> that is new since 4.8.3?
[19:57] <mgraesslin> in that case 1554ba408633397066d31c3d565c217b5a385fb8 is most likely to blame
[19:57] <mgraesslin> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/1554ba408633397066d31c3d565c217b5a385fb8
[19:58] <yofel> yeah, that's what I think too - and while I was looking at it I noticed that this commit is only in the KDE/4.8 branch, not in master
[20:01] <yofel> mgraesslin: got a suggestion on what to best do here? Otherwise I'll revert that commit in our package
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping
[20:45] <mgraesslin> yofel: my suggestion is to revert the patch in the package
[20:51] <yofel> ack
[20:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: pong
[21:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: already acted on impulse, feel free to cleanup after me :P
[21:00] <apachelogger> actually first impulse was probably conflicting with the coc :S
[21:02] <yofel> ScottK: if I upload a new kde-workspace, can I reupload ubuntu0.1 or do I need to use 0.2?
[21:03] <ScottK> yofel: ubuntu0.2.
[21:03] <yofel> k
[21:06] <micahg> yofel: don't forget -v LAST_VERSION_IN_UPDATES when uploading
[21:07] <yofel> oh right, thanks
[21:07] <micahg> that's a variable not a flag :)
[21:07] <micahg> i.e. fill in the version
[21:07] <yofel> I've used it before, just forgot it's purpose
[21:55] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 641 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) add kubuntu_revert_1554ba408633397066d31c3d565c217b5a385fb8.diff to revert the broken openGL build fixes from this commit. Replaces kubuntu_fix_gleffects.diff (LP: #997625)
[21:59] <yofel> ScottK: kde-workspace 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu0.2 uploaded
[22:07] <micahg> yofel: sorry, I probably should've given you a separate bug for that
[22:08] <micahg> ah, nevermind
[22:08] <yofel> if it's needed let ScottK reject it and I'll reupload, but that would have to be tomorrow
[22:21] <yofel> ScottK: actually, do reject my first upload, I passed the wrong value to -v in the first one -.-
[22:21]  * yofel is off to bed
[22:28]  * JontheEchidna gets on the libktorrent ftbfs
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> hopefully that'll get ktorrent out of depwait :>
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> Sweet, libktorrent built on all archs
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> just needs a push through new queue
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> then we can get libktorrent3 off the NBS list :)
[23:40] <CIA-42> [akonadi] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[23:40] <CIA-42> * Merge with Debian, remaining changes: - Add a mysqld-akonadi wrapper script. -
[23:40] <CIA-42> Add apparmor profile for mysqld-akonadi (usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi). - Make
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> whee, kdemultimedia is now split
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> we'll have a bit of fun with that one ;-)
[23:46] <CIA-42> [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/control Bump replaces/breaks version to 4:4.4.80~
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> hey, all of our kdelibs patches apply with 4.8.80, nice :)


[00:12] <MutantTurkey> dirty power supply D:
[00:30] <rmg51> is that your new nick?
[00:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[01:03] <HowdyDoody> fan still spinning on graphics card.  My oiling musta been good enough.
[01:04] <HowdyDoody> STILL cannot figure out where unity disappeared to.  Or how to get it back.
[01:17] <HowdyDoody> I opened compiz settings mgr and turned off then on Unity in prefs.   STILL nogo.
[01:17] <HowdyDoody> Tried rebooting tween, still nogo.
[01:20] <rmg51> just give up
[01:20] <rmg51> learn to live with Gnome :-D
[01:21] <rmg51> I have two laptops that won't run Unity
[01:21] <HowdyDoody> seems too much like my 'cheap' 1 core computer......
[01:21] <rmg51> and two that will but don't
[01:21] <HowdyDoody> This one is the cheapie until my main one gets fixed up right.
[01:22] <rmg51> I'm waiting for 11.10
[01:22] <rmg51> maybe by then some of the bugs will have been worked out
[01:22] <HowdyDoody> and a new round of bugs to play with
[01:23] <rmg51> almost always the case :P
[01:25] <HowdyDoody> btw: seems I will be getting my HP tablet afer all.  They sent apology and admitted that they over sold them.  So to fill rest of orders, I have to wait 6-8 weeks while they build more....  Is HP going nutz ?   They're spending $328 to build a tablet then sell it to me for $149?   Strange-------------
[02:30] <MutantTurkey> hp is going nuts..
[02:30] <MutantTurkey> i think that been clear for FEW years
[10:17] <HowdyDoody> Wow, ur all late, Good Morning Philly !!
[10:23] <JonathanD> morning.
[10:25] <rmg51> morning
[10:25] <JonathanD> Howdy.
[10:26] <JonathanD> So now when I go walk, all the corners are full of kids.
[10:26] <rmg51> o/
[10:26] <JonathanD> :/
[10:27] <rmg51> just walk over them =-O
[10:27] <JonathanD> depends on how early I go
[10:27] <JonathanD> They get smaller roughly each hour.
[10:28] <rmg51> the earlier the better
[10:29] <JonathanD> I guess I forgot just how early high school started when I was young.
[10:40] <rmg51> I'm off to do my shopping
[12:15] <waltman> Why are the high school kids out that early on a Saturday morning?
[12:47] <JonathanD> They aren't
[12:47] <JonathanD> this was yesterday.
[13:07] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: i am convinced that the graphics card is the problem, do you have another to plop in and test?
[13:38] <rmg51> jedijf: it might not be the card as much as the driver
[13:38] <rmg51> 3 of my laptops have Nvidia
[13:38] <rmg51> non of them are using the driver
[13:39] <rmg51> the driver is active but not in use
[13:40] <rmg51> Teddy's Sys76 laptop has an ATI card and the driver is both active and in use
[13:44] <rmg51> two of the Nvidia boxes won't run Unity
[13:44] <rmg51> one, my newest will
[13:45] <rmg51> Teddy's also will run Unity
[13:45] <rmg51> 11.04 has messed up things nicely
[14:44] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[14:48] <waltman> mmm, bacon
[14:48] <SamuraiAlba> Sociology research is not as fun as I thought it would be LOL
[15:55] <jedijf> rmg51: i mentioned driver yeaterday, but got no response
[15:56] <andrew> morning
[16:05] <rmg51> jedijf: remember who you were trying to help =-O
[16:06] <rmg51> afternoon andrew
[22:52] <jedijf> pleia2: i guess i need access to the pa launchpad page..have to change contact info there
[23:12] <pleia2> i can set you up when i get home, bret will need to transfer ownership od the team in lp itself though
[23:13]  * pleia2 furniture shops
[23:17] <MutantTurkey> longhorn woot woot!
[23:17] <MutantTurkey> :D
[23:17] <MutantTurkey> the tides have turned cow lovers, the turkey is back on the totem pole
[23:21] <ChinnoDog> I think you mean pork lovers. There is much mention of bacon in this channel.
[23:34] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: just had terrible bonnet lane meal
[23:34] <jedijf> even starving, it sucked
[23:35] <jedijf> pleia2: no rush, i'll email bret
[23:37] <jedijf> gazelle offered me $14 for my iBook
[23:37] <jedijf> 102 for my captivate....gone...my inspire is on it's way


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 I hope they get him fixed and scared enough to take care of himself more
[19:32] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:33]  * Gary hugs Myrtti
[19:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti Hugs from me as well
[21:31] <Seeker`> does the hardy installer give a warning that stuff may break if you try to resize partitions in the installer?
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> hello, could you have a look at what JOSEITO is doing on #kubuntu?
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> seems to be trolling..
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> nosrednaekim Joining now
[22:39] <Jack_Sparrow> nixternal Thanks...
[22:39] <nixternal> no problemo
[22:52] <PriceChild> Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm going to see Feeder tomorrow, you all fail.
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> Feeder?
[22:53] <PriceChild> Only the *greatest* band in the world.
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[22:54] <tritium> U2?  Where?
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> +10 tritium
[22:55] <tritium> :)
[23:06] <PriceChild> U2...? US?!
[23:06] <PriceChild> tritium: watch Bill Bailey on U2.
[23:07] <tritium> Who is Bill Bailey?
[23:07] <PriceChild> #;o
[23:07] <PriceChild> *:O
[23:07]  * tritium googles
[23:07] <PriceChild> tritium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDuK46ZqFM
[23:07] <PriceChild> I can't check its the right one righ tnow
[23:07] <tritium> ok
[23:07] <PriceChild> but it shouold be about a catastrophic systems failure at one of their gigs
[23:08] <tritium> I see.
[23:08] <Seeker`> heh
[23:08] <Seeker`> I like his opinions on the BBC news theme
[23:08] <tritium> Well, I guess it's about time I install flash...
[23:08] <PriceChild> Seeker`: that's almost my favourite
[23:09] <PriceChild> Seeker`: if it weren't for the merry go round
[23:09] <PriceChild> magic roundabout is what i mean
[23:10] <Seeker`> PriceChild: link?
[23:10] <PriceChild> gah
[23:10] <PriceChild> Seeker`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARBajLHHCHs
[23:14] <Seeker`> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AodciConUGQ
[23:14] <tritium> I'm still waiting for ubuntu-restricted-extras to finish installing
[23:24] <tritium> PriceChild: that was silly
[23:24] <PriceChild> tritium: hmm?
[23:25] <tritium> PriceChild: the U2 bit
[23:25] <PriceChild> :D
[23:25] <tritium> Might have been funny, if U2 wasn't *SO* much more than guitar effects.  ;)
[23:40] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild That youtube is funnny