[21:54] <cnf> tf201: on #android, probably
[21:55] <tf201> Thanks
[21:55] <cnf> xkernel: and my VPN is secured by the same token
[21:55] <tf201> and how can I achieve it with xchat?
[21:56] <cnf> you type /join #ubuntu
[21:56] <cnf> uhm
[21:56] <bazhang> tf201, /join #android
[21:56] <cnf> type /join #android
[21:56] <xkernel> cnf, can this be used for disk decryption on boot ?
[21:56] <cnf> :P
[21:56] <tf201> thanks, I found alone;)
[21:56] <cnf> xkernel: not directly, no
[21:57] <cnf> xkernel: but that is an entirely different question
[21:58] <cnf> xkernel: for THAT on a local machine, you could use a key on a usb stick
[21:58] <xkernel> how cnf?
[21:58] <cnf> or your login password
[21:59] <fs242> Anyone can help me with this? dpkg: error: configuration error: /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch:1: unknown option 'foreign-architecture'
[21:59] <cnf> xkernel: what exactly are you trying to accomplish, though?
[22:00] <xkernel> cnf both questions I asked, so now I knew about the login part, but what about the decryption on boot with USB ?
[22:00] <cnf> meh, i don't much see the point, tbh. beyond playing
[22:01] <cnf> you'd have to wrap the mount script, and have it read the usb key
[22:10] <fs242> can someone help me figure out how to solve a problem with broken packages?
[22:11] <sam113101> can I synch my ipod with rythmbox?
[22:15] <K350> I've made a fancy Command Line URL Shortener - enjoy :-)  http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?77999
[22:18] <kristenbb> hi, I'm having a problem logging into my computer. I have ubuntu 1204. I am 100% sure I didn't change my password, but I tried typing it 100 times, it's not working. I restarted the computer, I made sure I didn't have caps on or that the layout didn't change, I even tried logging in with ssh, but the password seems to have been changed. I am the only one using my computer.  Could you please detail the steps to decrypt it ?
[22:20] <bekks> kristenbb: I have no clue, since I am not using decryption myself due to lack of reasons for encryption :)
[22:21] <kristenbb> I just checked 'encrypt home drive' when installing ubuntu, I didn't do anything special.
[22:21] <bekks> kristenbb: Then you dont even need to decrypt it.
[22:21] <bekks> kristenbb: The password hash isnt stored in your home.
[22:22] <kristenbb> yes but I do want to get my home back.
[22:23] <BillJobs> hey guys I have an old acer machine with windows 8 on it was thinking of doing a clean install of Ubuntu on it. Which version of Ubuntu should I go with & should I do 32 bit or 64? I think it has a dual core with only 3gb of ram.
[22:23] <redlance> So...knowing how important it is to backup my stuff, I'm wondering how to back up my file server.  I know how to backup my data...but I want to backup all the configuration changes that I've made to Samba, Apache, Plex server, and my Squeezebox.  Is there a program to do this for me?  Will I run into trouble if I upgrade the OS, and then reinstall those 4 servers, and try to use my old config files?
[22:24] <K1lleD> BillJobs:  what processor have this laptop. and with 3gb ram, i think 12.04 LTS, or 12.10
[22:25] <bekks> BillJobs: If it is capable of 64bit, I'd go with that.
[22:25] <chvx> does this partition scheme really suits my hardrive? http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/aunix1/partitioning.htm second choice there
[22:27] <eljoest> Hi, I'm seeing very high cpu load of NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant as soon as the network manager service is started. Syslog contains tons of messages from iwl3945 about "Radio disabled by HW RF Kill Switch" (which is correct). Started with my update to 13.04 via 12.10 today. Anyone have an idea for a solution?
[22:27] <seronis> chvx: my own preference is swap partition = 1.5-2.0 x RAM.   '/' gets everything else.   Do you have a need for anything more complex ?
[22:29] <Pimpara1985> hi ppl
[22:29] <q0_0p> anyone can help me out with getting to print working for lexmark Platinum pro905\/
[22:29] <q0_0p> ?
[22:30] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know how can I extract multiple zip files with same password in a directory?
[22:30] <chvx> seronis: not really ;D
[22:30] <q0_0p> unable to find the PPD file on the internet
[22:32] <mojtaba> anybody?
[22:32] <kristenbb> so how can I reset my password without damaging my home folder ?
[22:32] <ToBeFree> is it encrypted with that password?
[22:33] <kristenbb> yes
[22:33] <ToBeFree> I assume you need your password to decrypt it; if it would be possible to change the password of any encryption, that encryption would be useless
[22:33] <ToBeFree> so it won't damage it, I assume, but it wouldn't give you any access
[22:33] <kristenbb> Maybe only the logging password has been changed, but not the password for the encryption. How could I check that ?
[22:36] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know how can I extract multiple zip files with same password in a directory?
[22:36] <mamece2> hello, i neet help formating a USB drive
[22:36] <chvx> seronis: isnt risky to have only 2 partitions?
[22:36] <Basil1x> Doing upgrade.  Asked to remove packages, I pressed d for details of packages to remove.  Now I cannot make it resume.
[22:37] <q0_0p> mamece2, man mkfs
[22:37] <q0_0p> mamece2, man fdisk
[22:37] <yeats> mamece2: if you're looking for a gui program, try gparted
[22:38] <mamece2> yeats: i tried gparted, it shows an error
[22:38] <bekks> mamece2: Which one...?
[22:38] <mamece2> yeats: i tried also disk utilyti
[22:39] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know how can I extract multiple zip files with same password in a directory?
[22:39] <seronis> chvx: no more risky than a Windows user only having 1 partition and virtual memory (swap) being a normal file
[22:39] <jrib> mojtaba: use a for loop
[22:39] <mojtaba> jrib: Could you please help me more about it?
[22:39] <mojtaba> I am a newbie
[22:40] <jrib> mojtaba: here is an example of a basic for loop:   for file in *; do echo "$file"; done
[22:40] <seronis> chvx: if you run services (like a web server) that have a risk of creating GiB of log files when an error occurs then having a mini partition where your logs go can make sense.. not many people require that
[22:40] <PrototypeX29A> how do i configure the login menu where i can select the window manager? it appears that i cannot select awesome
[22:40] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: how did you install awesome?
[22:40] <seronis> and honestly to me that seems like a configuration problem in the logging itself
[22:41] <mamece2> yeats: now working. this is making fun of me
[22:41] <eljoest> to whom it may concern: The high cpu load is a regression: Bug #1178841
[22:41] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: "sudo apt-get install awesome" i guess
[22:41] <PrototypeX29A> it has to be some time ago, i guess
[22:41] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: does /usr/share/xsessions/awesome.desktop exist?
[22:42] <PrototypeX29A> yes, it does
[22:43] <merpnderp> Anyone running Ubuntu on a 2011 macbook pro able to tell me how the trackpad feels on it?
[22:43] <merpnderp> And if you were able to get the wifi working
[22:43] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: the file looks ok to me as well
[22:43] <chvx> seronis: why wouldnt i parttion why are there partition then?
[22:44] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: at the login screen, you should have a circle or gear you can click to select the session. Do you see that?
[22:44] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: i don't know what you are talking about
[22:44] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: do you understand what I mean by login screen?
[22:45] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: i think so, i have got a selection for several windowmanagers on the left side
[22:45] <PrototypeX29A> including several variants of gnome, i3, ratpoison, but no awesome
[22:45] <daJu> I have a problem with my wifi on asus zenbook prime ux31a I see wifi networks but it fail to connect to them. This page says that it should be fine https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbookPrime (but it's not).
[22:45] <kristenbb> so how is it possible that my password changed without me knowing, and how to get my stuff back please ?
[22:46] <jrib> kristenbb: what password?
[22:46] <kristenbb> the logging passowrd
[22:46] <kristenbb> of ubuntu.
[22:46] <jrib> kristenbb: you can reset it if you want.  It shouldn't change unless you change it
[22:46] <jrib> !password | kristenbb
[22:46] <elky> can someone remind me of the "easy" way to add a bookmark to nautilus?
[22:46] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: what ubuntu version?
[22:47] <kristenbb> jrib: the problem I chose to encrypt home when I installed ubuntu, does that not make it more difficult ?
[22:47] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: i just upgraded to 13.04
[22:47] <jrib> elky: isn't it in the right-click context menu?
[22:47] <jrib> kristenbb: then you need to remember your password
[22:47] <jrib> kristenbb: or recall the passphrase that you were told to keep in a safe place
[22:47] <kristenbb> jrib: well yes, and I do remember it, I'm 100% sure I'm typing it correctly.
[22:47] <elky> jrib, nope. nor can i drag-drop. nor is there an add function on the list of bookmarks that gets opened when i go file->bookmarks
[22:47] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: which also seems to have changed my wm to gnome3
[22:48] <jrib> elky: 13.04?
[22:48] <elky> jrib, yup
[22:48] <kristenbb> kristenbb: well this I didn't do, but still, there should be a way...
[22:48] <elky> jrib, i found how to do it a few weeks ago and apparently promptly forgot
[22:48] <kristenbb> jrib: ^
[22:48] <jrib> elky: on 12.10 I have a Bookmarks menu at the top and the accelerator is ctrl-d
[22:49] <AndroUser> Hey anyone willing to Skype me and help me to install ubuntu 12.04 ON ubuntu
[22:49] <mynameis1eleted> so.. I know ubuntu supports i386 and x86_64
[22:49] <jrib> kristenbb: there is no way.  Only if you remember your password.  This is the whole point of encryption
[22:49] <mynameis1eleted> I read about a new instruction set gcc and the kernel both support
[22:49] <mynameis1eleted> x32... 32-bit instructions and word size for less waste of memory than 64-bit binaries, but hte full use of the 64-bit register set
[22:49] <jrib> AndroUser: you should probably be more specific about what you mean by installing "ubuntu on ubuntu"
[22:49] <Marcello> I need to talk to someone who can help me with b43.
[22:49] <mynameis1eleted> does ubuntu have an x32 distro?
[22:49] <Marcello>  I need to talk to someone who can help me with b43.
[22:49] <jrib> !ask | Marcello
[22:49] <elky> jrib, aha not even that, you now have to use the gear thingy. and only the gear thingy
[22:50] <James_Epp> mynameis1eleted: Yes, look for a i386 build
[22:50] <jrib> !wireless > Marcello
[22:50] <mynameis1eleted> or mixed x32/x86_64/i386 distro
[22:50] <mynameis1eleted> not i386
[22:50] <mynameis1eleted> x32
[22:50] <elky> you can no longer drag stuff into the menu, nor can that bookmarks dialog add things
[22:50] <jrib> elky: I see... I'm still on 12.10
[22:50] <kristenbb> jrib: I do understand that, but as I said, I didn't change the password. I've seen other people complaining about similar things too on forums, with ssd drives. Maybe the encryption password was not changed, just the logging password ? How to check that ?
[22:50] <James_Epp> mynameis1eleted: Perhaps I do not understand what you mean by x32
[22:50] <mynameis1eleted> i386 binaries are slower than x86_64 binaries
[22:50] <elky> jrib, cool, something to keep in mind then :)
[22:50] <mynameis1eleted> x32 is slightly faster by 15-20%
[22:50] <AndroUser> (AndroUser) Hey anyone willing to Skype me and help me to install ubuntu 12.04 ON ubuntu
[22:50] <mynameis1eleted> and take less memory
[22:50] <James_Epp> mynameis1eleted: I couldn't tell you, mate. Sorry.
[22:51] <Marcello> I installed Ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron and I am no longer able to access the internet via ethernet or wireless. How can I fix this?
[22:51] <mynameis1eleted> I see gcc libraries supporitng x32
[22:51] <AndroUser> (AndroUser) Hey anyone willing to Skype me and help me to install ubuntu 12.04 ON windows 8 I meant
[22:51] <mynameis1eleted> libx32ncurses5  is a seperate package from lib32ncurses5
[22:51] <elky> jrib, you're right about ctrl+d though
[22:51] <mong> AndroUser: by 'on', do you mean dual-boot?
[22:51] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: well maybe lightdm needs to be restarted after you install awesome but if you installed awesome a long time ago, I assume that has happened.  You might want to check for open bugs in that case
[22:51] <Marcello> I installed Ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron and I am no longer able to access the internet via ethernet or wireless. How can I fix this?
[22:51] <elky> but it auto-adds the current location
[22:52] <AndroUser> Yes mong I hate win 8 but some software I need
[22:52] <mynameis1eleted> x32 also allows 64-bit pointers for large arrays that mgith need  >4GB ram
[22:52] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: lightdm is the piece of software responsible for the login screen?
[22:52] <mynameis1eleted> and big data to be mixed with 64
[22:52] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: should be.  Check that it's running
[22:52] <Marcello> Is someone going to help me with my internet question?
[22:52] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: yes, it is
[22:52] <jrib> !helpme | Marcello
[22:53] <Marcello> !helpe
[22:53] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: it used to gdm, right? can i just go back?
[22:53] <mynameis1eleted> I think gentoo was the first distro to have a full build in x32
[22:53] <Marcello> Is that really a bot?
[22:53] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: yeah, you can switch to gdm if you want.  Lightdm has been default for a few releases now though
[22:53] <Marcello> !helpme
[22:53] <AndroUser> Would you not mind skyping me mong to get dual boot ubuntu 12.04 and windows 8
[22:53] <jrib> !dualboot | AndroUser
[22:54] <mong> AndroUser: sorry, skype and uefi are both out of my comfort zone
[22:54] <Marcello> jrib: Do you know how to help me with this?
[22:54] <chvx> seronis: why are there other partition schemes?
[22:54] <AndroUser> Ok
[22:54] <jrib> Marcello: no, only what's in the wiki link about wireless
[22:55] <seronis> chvx: historical reasons for when upgrades didnt go as smoothly as they do today so that peoples /home directories were more secure between reinstllations
[22:56] <Marcello> jrib: I tried that already and it didn't work. Not only was it unclear but it was also filled with broken links to important downloads that they "said" would fix the problem.
[22:56] <jrib> kristenbb: I doubt that would happen.  But you can reset the password like I said.  If you want to just try mounting the encrypted partition directly (like from a live cd), you can « /msg ubottu encrption » for instructions
[22:56] <harris> hi
[22:56] <seronis> chvx: for administrative types who like to switch between distroes and have simultaneous installs.  basically for  'not your average user' type uses
[22:56] <Darkchaos> May a blinking Cursor while booting from USB indicate a damaged mbr?
[22:56] <jrib> Marcello: last I checked there was the broadcom sta driver available from "hardware drivers" or whatever it's called now.  That's all I know.  Works fine on my macbook
[22:57] <chvx> seronis: how about swap, i heard that you should partition it twice your RAM right?
[22:57] <Marcello> jrib: Thanks for the help, I'll check it out. (ps. is typing someones name followed by a colon the way you ping somebody?)
[22:58] <bekks> chvx: Thats wrong.
[22:58] <bekks> chvx: Thats was a rule, around 20 years ago.
[22:58] <chvx> bekks: haha ok :D
[22:58] <jrib> Marcello: most clients will highlight your own nick, so including a persons name will tend to grab their attention
[22:58] <bekks> chvx: Nowadays, you need 1x RAM = SWAP for hibernation.
[22:58] <elky> Marcello, or a , but tab completion will append that automatically. if your first choice doesn't appear when you tab complete, hit tab another time and it'll give you other options
[22:59] <chvx> bekks: 1x?
[22:59] <seronis> chvx: instead of 2x
[23:00] <seronis> chvx: but in the 'big picture' it doesnt really matter.  anywhere in that range is good
[23:00] <chvx> seronis: my ram is 6gb so 6gig swap
[23:00] <bekks> chvx: If you want to use hibernation.
[23:00] <chvx> bekks: what purpose have it?
[23:01] <Tex_Nick> Darkchaos:  when bootinf from a live USB ... that's kinda common
[23:01] <seronis> chvx: hibernation is for turning your power off without going through a 'shutdown' process.
[23:01] <seronis> chvx: your ram is cached to disk, and it will use that disk image to restore ram contents on power-up
[23:02] <chvx> seronis: so nothing else than that? hah
[23:02] <seronis> so even programs and files that are 'unsaved' are restored
[23:02] <seronis> with Windows its faster than rebooting so i used it
[23:02] <seronis> linux reboots for me have been faster than Windows hibernation so i actually shut my laptop off now
[23:03] <Darkchaos> Tex_Nick: So How can I fix it? On every machine it's just a blinking cursor. Not even a UNetBootIn Menu
[23:03] <seronis> its a matter of preference though.
[23:03] <jvm_> hi. i have a usb boot flash drive with xubuntu on it, it works fine on my notebook. on my desktop for some reason (even while bios seems correctly configured) it wouldn't boot. so i used grub 1.98 commandline with 'root (hd2,0); chainloader +1; boot' which shows me "Boot error.", even while grub apparently can read the file system (checked with 'find /[TAB]'. now i don't know if the "Boot error." came from grub or from the loaded kernel, and h
[23:03] <jvm_> ave no idea what's wrong. any idea?
[23:04] <Tex_Nick> Darkchaos:  if it's not booting at all then the image on the USB is probably bad
[23:05] <Darkchaos> I rewrote it again. May there be a partition error? fdisk does not complain, but gdisk does with lots of errors...
[23:06] <Tex_Nick> Darkchaos:  check the ISO you used to create the USB ... that would be an MD5 hash check\
[23:06] <WeThePeople> how do i run a bash script in the terminal
[23:07] <mong> WeThePeople: if it is marked executable, "./filename.sh"
[23:07] <Darkchaos> that's correct. It worked once but now as I did a ext3 and a hfs partition to it, it doesnt
[23:07] <chvx> seronis: but can i after i have partition and installed my linux, later change the partition?
[23:08] <Darkchaos> WeThePeople: or sh filename.sh if it doesn't have chmod u+x filename.sh
[23:08] <Tex_Nick> WeThePeople:  in the directory where the script is try ... ./myScript.sh ... make sure the script is executable
[23:08] <WeThePeople> i forgot the exe permission
[23:08] <WeThePeople> thanks
[23:10] <servvs> after removing unit and all of its dependencies, I am having trouble getting nautilus to install without installing unity stuff
[23:10] <seronis> chvx:  http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
[23:10] <servvs> is there a way to do this or does nautilus now depend on certain unity things?
[23:11] <chvx> seronis: so i can partition without any errors?
[23:12] <seronis> chvx: theorhetically yes.  i've never had to do it personally
[23:12] <number-7> how does a program get the number of lines on the xterm its running on?
[23:12] <chvx> seronis: good to know
[23:13] <otak_> number-7: stty size
[23:13] <PrototypeX29A> re
[23:13] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: switching to gdm didn't change a thing, still no awesome in the selection
[23:14] <number-7> what, like system("stty size") ?
[23:14] <servvs> how can I install nautilus without unity dependencies?
[23:14] <number-7> to a pipe?
[23:14] <StaticLNX> is there a way to have ubuntu search for the fastest mirror and update my sources.list on ubuntu-server 12.10?
[23:14] <jrib> PrototypeX29A: did you check for open bugs?  The /usr/share/xsessions/awesome.desktop provided in the package might have a syntax error or something
[23:15] <number-7> john@compaq:~$ stty size
[23:15] <number-7> 0 0
[23:15] <number-7> john@compaq:~$
[23:15] <PrototypeX29A> since my upgrade to 13.04 i get a lot of "Sorry, Ubuntu 13.04 has experienced an internal error" is that problems that now appear, or is it just that they are more visible and have probably existed before?
[23:15] <number-7> how does that help?
[23:15] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: i am probably trying another wm first, i am just desperate to get rid of gnome3 and have a usable system again
[23:16] <otak_> oh i get height width
[23:16] <PrototypeX29A> jrib: my system really is slow now, though i am not sure that it is the fault of gnome3
[23:16] <chvx> seronis: is it possibly to partition like /documents, or something random?
[23:16] <Tex_Nick> PrototypeX29A:  i've encountered a few of those errors on 13.04 ... out of curosity, what desktop are you using ?
[23:17] <PrototypeX29A> Tex_Nick: gnome3, it seems
[23:17] <seronis> chvx:  partitions can be mounted to ANY location in your filesystem heirarchy you choose
[23:17] <PrototypeX29A> PrototypeX29A: i am not very sure, but it is very different to the gnome i had before and it matches the complaints of linus torvalds i have read about gnome3
[23:17] <cnf> mount it to /dev/null
[23:18] <cnf> always fun
[23:18]  * seronis facepalms
[23:18] <l9> PrototypeX29A: fluxbox is a good wm
[23:18] <PrototypeX29A> äh sorry that should go to Tex_Nick, not to me
[23:18] <cnf> seronis: not too hard, i do hope :P
[23:18] <sere> fluxbox is so sexy
[23:18] <seronis> its a one line command.. see   'man mount'
[23:18] <PrototypeX29A> l9: i was going to try mate, but it seems it is not in the standard repo
[23:19] <l9> yupp sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[23:19] <servvs> man everything I try to install is trying to reinstall unity libraries
[23:19] <servvs> is there any way to stop this from happening?
[23:20] <l9> BUT be warned its not for the mouse clicking guy
[23:20] <PrototypeX29A> at one point i had the problem that i was stuck to gnome, because my the wifi configuration didn't work on any other wm, and i wasn't able to find out how to use wifi with another wm
[23:20] <seronis> my solution wont work for you servvs  (install xubuntu from start)
[23:20] <servvs> we need gnubuntu
[23:20] <seronis> CLI ubuntu ?
[23:21] <otak_> servvs: apt-cache depends nautilus, a | means alternative
[23:21] <PrototypeX29A> l9: i am not the mouse clicking guy, but the problem with the more exotic wms are that they expect the user to crawl through tons of manpages, where i clearly lack the motivation
[23:21] <MaynardWaters> hello, I have a 12.04 LTS install on an external HD, and I have moved it to a old ibm thinkpad
[23:21] <servvs> I just want gnome shell as my default, and want to remove my unity dependencies, but every time I try to isntall something (anything) it wants to reinstall unity things
[23:21] <MaynardWaters> it lets me log in using my normal password
[23:21] <AndroUser> Anyone comfortable with skyping me to dual boot windows 8 and ubuntu 12.04
[23:21] <MaynardWaters> then once I am logged in, the numbers that are associated with letters take over rather than the letters
[23:21] <MaynardWaters> so i cant complete my password again
[23:22] <MaynardWaters> any suggestions on how to fix?
[23:22] <usr13> AndroUser: See my pm.
[23:22] <l9> PrototypeX29A: its not that hard when you first get into it, but it takes some effort too get it the way you want it. I have now a complet fluxbox that starts all the needed apps at boot
[23:22] <cnf> sight, still struggling with the stupid PAM
[23:23] <usr13> AndroUser: Want to do it now?
[23:23] <servvs> so is there any way to not install unity garbage with nautilus anymore?
[23:23] <AndroUser> Yes
[23:23] <servvs> or anything, I don't understand why even xchat is asking for unity libs
[23:23] <usr13> AndroUser: See my pm
[23:24] <Tex_Nick> PrototypeX29A:  i'm using the "gnome-fallback" desktop enviornment and experienced a few glitchs such as what you mentioned ... i've been told that gnome-fallback is kinda quirky though ... i haven't used unity much ever so it might just be a desktop enviornment issue
[23:24] <usr13> AndroUser: So, let's get going....
[23:24] <StaticLNX> is there a way to have ubuntu search for the fastest mirror and update my sources.list on ubuntu-server 12.10?
[23:25] <PrototypeX29A> Tex_Nick: i just try get rid of gnome3 and unity, but i don't really seem to have an option right now
[23:25] <cnf> servvs: if you do an apt-cache show <pkgname> you can see what packages is depends on, and what packages it reccomends
[23:25] <cnf> servvs: iirc by default ubuntu also installs the recommended stuff
[23:26] <servvs> yeah, xchat libunity9, nautilus libunity9, many others libunity9 and many more
[23:26] <WeThePeople> is this>>>  ~/   <<<home dir?
[23:26] <fictive> I'm running ubuntu from bootcd right now, I just want to test if I can spoof my BT mac adress with the bdaddr tool. I had it in my VMWare ubuntu guest machine, but I cannot find it anywhere here. How can I install it? I've tried compiling the bluez-5.5 with the test flag enabled, but it keeps telling me it can't find the systemd init dir. any help would be appreciated
[23:26] <cnf> servvs: as required, or recommended?
[23:26] <servvs> required
[23:26] <cnf> hmm, weird
[23:26] <fictive> ubuntu 13.04, by the way.
[23:26] <servvs> I used this command for nautilus: sudo apt-get install --download-only nautilus
[23:26] <StaticLNX> anyone? D:
[23:26] <servvs> then sudo dpkg -i nautilus*
[23:27] <servvs> and it wouldn't run because of missing dependencies
[23:27] <otak_> WeThePeople: yup
[23:27] <Tex_Nick> PrototypeX29A:  LXDE has been recommended to me by a few channel guru's ... i've installed it, just haven't found time to play customize it though
[23:27] <cnf> i don't see any unity stuff in there?
[23:27] <servvs> tried no-isntall-recommendeds and still tries to install them as dependencies (required)
[23:29] <chvx> seronis: why are there defualt manual choices in ubuntu?
[23:29] <StaticLNX> anyon? D: is there a way to have ubuntu search for the fastest mirror and update my sources.list on ubuntu-server 12.10?
[23:29] <PrototypeX29A> re
[23:30] <otak_> StaticLNX: netselect
[23:30] <mong> StaticLNX: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39922/how-do-you-select-the-fastest-mirror-from-the-command-line
[23:32] <WeThePeople> my headphones keep not working between reboots any ideas?
[23:32] <seronis> chvx:  because people like choices ?
[23:32] <bhalash> WeThePeople: They work, but don't work after a reboot, or they have never worked?
[23:32] <fictive> anyone experienced with bluez and bdaddr?
[23:33] <WeThePeople> bhalash, as of this boot they dont work but the last reboot they worked, and nothing was changed
[23:33] <StaticLNX> otak: I tried typing sudo netselect and sudo netselect-apt and get command not found
[23:34] <NineTeen67Comet> hello all; I had to redo my web server and now I can't seem to access my shortcut to my web directory via ftp (Proftp). can you all help?
[23:35] <fictive> or are there perhaps any other ways of changing my BT mac address other than using the bdaddr tool?
[23:35] <l9> NineTeen67Comet: have you configured the proftp?
[23:36] <StaticLNX> otak:sudo apt-get install netselect returns no instaltion candidate
[23:36] <NineTeen67Comet> l9: yes; it's allowing my access to my home directory (both users home directories) just like before, but last time I made a sim link to /var/www in my home directory and accessed it that way.
[23:37] <mong> StaticLNX: you can download the deb at http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netselect
[23:37] <l9> NineTeen67Comet: might be a configure setting that you have overlooked is it allowed too follow sym links
[23:38] <StaticLNX> k
[23:38] <StaticLNX> ty
[23:38] <NineTeen67Comet> l9: I'm thinking the same thing .. I'll go back to diggin ..
[23:40] <Tex_Nick> NineTeen67Comet:  1967 Comet was a COOL ride ;)
[23:41] <NineTeen67Comet> Tex_Nick: I've owned mine since the late 80's .. it's my summer car now ..
[23:41] <Tex_Nick> NineTeen67Comet:  oh man i'm jealous ;-)
[23:42] <ramon> i can hear sound from youtube but when i try stream a tv from firefox the totem application plays the video but with no sound....what should i do?
[23:42] <NineTeen67Comet> If my hdd hadn't crapped yesterday the pictures would be up .. for now .. that's that .. lol
[23:44] <kristenbb> As I said earlier, for an unknown reason, I am not able to login into my account anymore. I didn't change the password, but it's not working. My home is encrypted, and I'd like to get it back.  I was able to boot into a live cd, and when I use ecrypt-unwrap-passphrase, my password is recognized, so I guess all is not lost, but I'd really like step by step instructions to be sure I can recover my files, they are important ones and I have no backup.
[23:44] <bekks> kristenbb: Then create one, copy all your files to another disk.
[23:44] <kristenbb> bekks: create one what?
[23:45] <bekks> kristenbb: Create a backup.
[23:45] <kristenbb> a backup of my encrypted files?
[23:45] <kristenbb> is that useful?
[23:45] <bekks> kristenbb: A backup of your important files - not encrypted.
[23:45] <kristenbb> well I will as soon as I can access them again...
[23:46] <bekks> kristenbb: You can. You just decrypted them, as you said.
[23:47] <kristenbb> I don't know the whole process of decrypting them, I just went around in google and found that ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase command, which I tried and it outputs something when I enter the correct password.
[23:47] <kristenbb> so basically, I have the encrypted files, I have the correct password, my question is how  to connect the two.
[23:50] <barnex> hello
[23:50] <barnex> I recently installed ubuntu 12.04 with full disk encryption
[23:50] <barnex> what was that encryption? luks?
[23:51] <chop> hi, I'm trying to mount a samba folder with command "mount -t smbfs smb://..." but getting the error unknow filesystem smbfs. I can't find a package named smbfs with apt-cache search. Can someone help me with what package to install?
[23:51] <barnex> ok, nvm, seems it was luks.
[23:52] <bekks> chop: Use cifs instead of smbfs
[23:52] <Dr_willis> chop,  thats not the right syntax for mount either
[23:53] <Dr_willis> smb:// is used by nautilus  - not mount
[23:53] <chop> bekks: do you mean apt-get install cifs?
[23:53] <bekks> chop: No. mount -t cifs ...
[23:54] <Dr_willis> !samba
[23:54] <chop> Dr_willis: oh. should i use //192.168... instead?
[23:54] <Dr_willis> chop,  only if you want it to work... ;P
[23:54] <Dr_willis> since smb:// is totally NOT what mount wants
[23:54] <chop> ok thanks guys
[23:54] <Dr_willis> smb:// is special syntax used by the file manager (nautilus) and gnome apps
[23:59] <ubukou> hey folks. i have a project that i would like to do. i have a server box with raid controller in and 12 HDrives. it seems to have trouble turning on. power seems to work (MoBo led is on) but when i press power nothing happens. i tryied swiching the power with the reset button and still the same.Just to be clear the computer does NOTHING, no beeps no fans, nothing. now there are two questions need some help with. 1.possible problem with PC? (
[23:59] <ubukou> PSU, MOBO, Buttons, CPU) 2. is there a way to make a server connected to a router and have it WOL only when i try to access the hard drives and then power off, so i save power?


[00:03] <barbara____> ugh I just installed ubuntu 12.10 for my grandmother lol and ubuntu one is not showing up on the system tray im using gnome-fallback-session  package manager shows it installed
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Happiness Happens Day! :-D


[03:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay, so, it still segfaults, and ldd says: https://bpaste.net/show/2e17f1127688
[03:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> but i'm guessing that's not a good thing.
[03:59] <NoImNotNineVolt> weird. building on 14.04, ala https://bpaste.net/show/fe1a425ea23b
[04:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> i guess i should try shoehorning it into a clean 14.04 vm with vanilla apache2. maybe our prod vm is stupid because it's provisioned by our IT guy.
[04:00]  * NoImNotNineVolt sighs
[04:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> thanks again for the help building. pretty confident in the process now.
[04:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> will bug you about how backports work once i get this tested.
[09:04] <Lin-Buo-Ren> I would like to request to review a patch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/+bug/1751850
[09:05] <Lin-Buo-Ren> The package's post-installation program assumes that the user has EFI variant of GRUB installed, which is not always true.
[09:08] <Lin-Buo-Ren> A user could install PC variant of GRUB while still install grub-efi-amd64-bin, grub-efi-amd64-signed and shim-signed to keep UEFI bootability
[09:10] <Lin-Buo-Ren> As a result the post installation script should always specify the --target platform they're installing, and even allow non-fatal errors where efivarfs is not always available(i.e. the system is not run in UEFI bootmode)
[09:11] <Lin-Buo-Ren> s/non-fatal errors/non-fatal efibootmgr errors/
[09:18] <Lin-Buo-Ren> The post-installation script in the shim-signed package has the same issue
[13:01] <rbasak> Was there some debian/control syntax change permitting trailing commas in Build-Depends etc?
[13:01] <rbasak> It seems to work now. I swear it didn't before, but I can't find any documentation about a change.
[13:30] <Laney> It's worked for some years at least
[13:30] <Laney> they used to insist on it for daily landing packages back in the day
[13:51] <tjaalton> who should own bug 1746710?
[13:51] <tjaalton> it's a really annoying bug
[14:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay, it's official, my desire to have my name on that patch pales in comparison to my desire to have it backported :P
[14:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> i think PIE may be preventing me from just sticking my .so into an existing apache2 deployment.
[17:25] <joelkraehemann> hi all
[17:25] <joelkraehemann> I have just reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsequencer/+bug/1769958
[17:26] <joelkraehemann> the patch is provided, the clipboard messes with the object organization


[06:07] <KamiRath> lightdm is using 15% of my 16GiB memory. Is this supposed to happen or memory leak? o.O
[06:12] <KamiRath> looks like this is a bug on Ubuntu 14.04LTS
[09:33] <xubuntu11w> i'm using xubuntu n rpi 2...i'm using a 16 gb memmory card...but in my pri it is showing only 4gb...how can i fix it?
[13:53] <xubuntu71d> at@pat-Ram8GBHDD500gb:~$ sudo find / -name stdlib.h /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/bits/stdlib.h /usr/include/stdlib.h /usr/include/c++/5/tr1/stdlib.h find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’: Permission denied pat@pat-Ram8GBHDD500gb:~$
[13:54] <xubuntu71d> When I run gcc to compile a file that require stdioh and stdlib.h , the stdlib.h is missing
[13:54] <xubuntu71d> Ran sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[14:47] <inkoqnito> Hello, i tried to install Xubuntu today but only got an black screen after the installer loaded. I read that i needed to add nomodeset in grub before loading so i did. I could install correctly but i couldnt start Xubuntu only got black screen even after adding nomodeset. I tested other distros to and got the same problem. Is there a way to fix this or am i forced to use windows 10 instead?
[14:52] <flocculant> inkoqnito: when you say other distros - do you mean other options in the *buntu family - or really other distros?
[14:52] <flocculant> and what graphics does the system have?
[14:55] <inkoqnito> i mean other distros like for example Solus
[14:55] <inkoqnito> I got an geforce GTX 1060
[14:56] <flocculant> ok - just wanted to make sure it wasn't just *buntu :)
[14:58] <inkoqnito> Nope=) But it really annoys me. Do you know if there is a problem with nvidias latest cards?
[14:58] <flocculant> inkoqnito: so the nvidia driver for that (375) is only available normally in zesty atm - might be worth checking out the latest daily if you want ( http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ )
[15:00] <inkoqnito> But shouldnt xubuntu be able to boot without the correct driver? i never had these kind of problems before and have had Arch installed before
[15:00] <flocculant> then this ppa would allow that driver for earlier versions of *buntu > https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:01] <flocculant> inkoqnito: I guess it depends on support from nouveau - never too sure of nomodeset (have my own problems with that and grub atm on zesty)
[15:01] <flocculant> inkoqnito: what version of xubuntu are you trying currently?
[15:02] <flocculant> and when it blackscreens - can you get to vt1 or something - then you can add the ppa there - if not maybe from recovery mode and root shell
[15:04] <inkoqnito> 16.10 should i maybe try 16.04?
[15:05] <inkoqnito> i get nothing
[15:06] <inkoqnito> its just black and when i got through and have installed xubuntu and had to use nomodeset my screen seemd to get no signal it only said that the best resolution would be 1920x1080 but it didnt actually turn on
[15:07] <flocculant> 16.04 would just be older ...
[15:10] <flocculant> inkoqnito: try booting to recovery - then root shell - then add the ppa ^^ - then install the 3675 driver and reboot - see what that gives you, that's what I would be doing if I had newish graphics
[15:13] <inkoqnito> Okey thanks i will try that=)
[15:14] <flocculant> excuse the fat fingers above - I obviously meant 375 not 3675 :)
[15:17] <flocculant> inkoqnito: in recovery mode - you could try grepping logs for 'nouveau unknown chipset'
[15:18] <flocculant> at least with 16.04 that card was an issue > http://askubuntu.com/questions/816329/how-to-boot-using-the-live-usb-with-nvidia-gtx-1060
[15:35] <inkoqnito> Yes i can see that, the strange thing is just that i have had ubuntu and arch installed earlier with no problems.
[15:38] <flocculant> inkoqnito: so what ubuntu did you have? because at that level xubuntu shouldn't be much different
[15:41] <inkoqnito> That time it was also 16.10 it was in november last year
[15:42] <flocculant> mmm - well should have been oj with xubuntu then
[15:44] <flocculant> inkoqnito: if you've time and interest I'd be happy to see what you found with 'latest'
[15:44] <inkoqnito> exactly, but when installing xubuntu do you know what kind of drivers it installs? Is the the nouveau drivers?
[15:44]  * flocculant puts on xubuntu team hat for that :)
[15:50] <inkoqnito> will try the latest and see if that make any difference
[15:51] <flocculant> inkoqnito: current is as recent as you can get without us rebuilding
[15:52] <inkoqnito> okey, and this is not a problem many others have?
[15:56] <flocculant> not seen it mentioned
[16:37] <inkoqnito> Flocculant: Hello, i finally got it to work.
[16:37] <flocculant> hi
[16:37] <inkoqnito> hi
[16:38] <flocculant> inkoqnito: how did it work for you?
[16:38] <inkoqnito> i dont now why it didnt work before but now i just just nomodeset so i could start xubuntu installed the latest propetary driver and restarted and it now booted coorekt:)
[16:38] <inkoqnito> correct*
[16:38] <inkoqnito> used*
[16:40] <flocculant> I found nomodeset only working from recovery mode, or editing kernel line at grub
[16:40] <flocculant> but if you're working then \o/
[16:40] <inkoqnito> yay:d
[16:40] <inkoqnito> :D
[16:40] <flocculant> did you need the ppa?
[16:41] <inkoqnito> No i used nomodeset to install, and when the first time i started xubuntu after i installed the propetary driver it just worked=) Will do some more restarts and tests but so far all good=)
[16:44] <flocculant> inkoqnito: ok cool :)
[16:45] <flocculant> thanks for coming back and telling :D
[16:47] <inkoqnito> No problem was so glad it finally worked=) Just one question, should i be worried to use 17.04? I am tinking of bugs etc?
[16:49] <flocculant> inkoqnito: ok so atm it is pretty stable - biggest issue is with lightdm/locking
[16:49] <inkoqnito> whats the issue?
[16:50] <flocculant> inkoqnito: you can purge lightlocker and install gnome-screensaver and you'll be able to come back from lock
[16:50] <flocculant> it locks big time - doesn't let you unlock :)
[16:51] <flocculant> inkoqnito: bug 1656399
[16:52] <flocculant> inkoqnito: oh - so you've managed to get working with 17.04 ?
[16:53] <flocculant> just waking up here mid-afternoon ...
[16:54] <inkoqnito> Yes, i got 17.04 working and was a little conserned about using it or if i should try again with 16.10=)
[16:55] <flocculant> inkoqnito: ok - then I would assume black screen is about nouveau not being up to date to see it
[16:56] <flocculant> as I said pretty stable other than lock bug - which doesn't just affect us
[16:57] <flocculant> best other shot would be 16.04 + that ppa (likely to be supported for longer), then 16.10 +ppa (which would get 9 months from October 2017) - support for
[16:57] <flocculant> bah
[16:58] <flocculant> 17.04 doesn't start till Final Beta (March/April 2017)
[16:58] <flocculant> so you'd be looking at upgrading 17.04 > 17.10 > 18.04 to get to next LTS
[16:59] <flocculant> if long term support is an issue - I would try 16.04 plus that ppa
[16:59] <flocculant> AFTER 16.04.2 is released next week
[16:59] <flocculant> hope that all helps to make a decision :)
[17:00] <inkoqnito> i am not really so interested in LTS just thought that 17.04 is still in beta isnt it? And was just thinking of using the last release 16.10 or this beta 17.04=)
[17:01] <flocculant> well - we've not reached beta yet :D
[17:02] <flocculant> though I use 'dev' anyway - and have been using '17.04' since the day after 16.10 released
[17:03] <inkoqnito> aha:P And you havent had to much problems=)?
[17:04] <flocculant> nope - get odd things with this install - but from default not so much - just the lock thing
[17:04] <flocculant> inkoqnito: this install was a 16.04 (during dev) to 16.10 (during dev) > 17.04
[17:05] <flocculant> so I get odd things :D
[17:06] <flocculant> inkoqnito: bear in mind you can't officially use this support channel till Final Beta - so you'd be kind of expected to report bugs and talk to people in either ubuntu+1 (I watch there) or #x-devel
[17:07] <flocculant> and we are always happy to see people testing dev and asking things
[17:10] <inkoqnito> Okey thats fine=) I like to be on the edge:)
[17:10] <flocculant> :)
[18:22] <lerner> i installed xubuntu on  new notebook. In the old installation there was a task bar on the bottom of the screen. it would hide after 2 seconds. I want that in the new notebook as well.
[18:22] <lerner> where do I find it?
[18:26] <flocculant> lerner: settings - panel - xfpanel switch - pretty sure on of the presets is that old setup
[18:37] <lerner> even when this bottom panel is hidden i can see a bit of it. Cant I hideit all?
[18:39] <flocculant> lerner: I expect so - I used to set it to not hide - check panel settings
[18:40] <flocculant> oh - read the statement properly flocculant ...
[18:40] <flocculant> just tried here - I see none of it when it's hidden
[18:41] <lerner> this is a new installation with a backup copy from an old notebook
[18:41] <flocculant> lerner: not sure what's going on for you - hides completely here
[18:42] <lerner> permissions issue not a probable cause...
[18:42] <flocculant> shouldn't be so
[18:43] <lerner> another thing is> all my icons of my fas applications are gone and whisker shows just a standard brand new
[18:43] <lerner> how do I recover all my fav icons?
[18:44] <lerner> fav*
[20:14] <flea4558> I can't get wireless card to work.  I can see it, but after I enter password it doesn't conntect.
[21:57] <lerner> orage is in englush, as the rest of my notebook, but the days of the week are in german and show days before month, but I want them in english and month before day.
[21:57] <lerner> why does this happen and how do I fix it?
[22:15] <nicklas> Running ubuntu mate, but hoping for help anyway :-)
[22:15] <nicklas> Hello. Had to reinstall, cause when I tried to install nvidia via the ubuntu mate welcome/additional drivers, it did'nt finish all the way. The progress bar stopped right before the end. I rebooted, and gui wouldn't load, just had a blocks test text and a underline blinking randomly on black screen after booting. Is it safe to just try again, or should I do something else?
[22:16] <nicklas> And, do you think this will work better in xubuntu? I can run xubuntu too
[22:17] <nicklas> I've never had problems installing drivers in regular ubuntu or xubuntu


[12:15] <ScottK> Just for the record I didn't adovcate infinito's package because I've never dealt with a Python package that didn't use distutils before.  If you're using distutils I'm pretty comfortable with Python packaging.
[12:18] <pochu> Hey ScottK
[12:22] <ScottK> Heya pochu
[12:24] <ScottK> jrib: A couple of quick comments (looking at the diff it looks pretty good, but I don't have time to actually build it right now).
[12:25] <ScottK> Change the last line of the description in debian/control to   [that's two leading spaces]  Hompage: URL.
[12:25] <ScottK> Look at the Debian Maintainer rules.  Gotta run.
[12:26] <jrib> ScottK: thanks
[12:27] <ScottK> jrib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[12:28] <jrib> i'll take a look
[12:51] <ToHellWithGA> hey yall.  i see the "sudoku" package is maintained by the motu team.  it does not redraw itself when a terminal's dimensions are changed.  should i file that as a bug or contact the author, michael kennett?
[12:52] <lionel> Hi ToHellWithGA
[12:53] <lionel> it's always a good idea to fill a bug
[12:53] <ToHellWithGA> mkay.  thanks lionel
[12:56] <sladen> ToHellWithGA: file a bug, *and* contact the upstream author
[01:00] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i know about a week ago the new flashplugin-nonfree was broken (i never found out what was)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> crimsun: do we know if its still broken?
[01:01] <crimsun> gnomefreak: if you mean upstream's beta 3 (<IP_ADDRESS>), then yes, it was and still is utterly broken - a 100% regression.
[01:01] <gnomefreak> crimsun: ty
[01:01] <crimsun> sorry, I should have phrased that as "update 3 - beta"
[01:02] <gnomefreak> eh
[01:02] <crimsun> (since that's how upstream phrases it)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> true but to me it can be update 25 broken is still broken ;)
[01:03] <crimsun> yes, people love frothing at the mouth over flash 9 updates
[01:06] <crimsun> project redfish, heh.
[01:06] <crimsun> may as well just call it the Dell project.
[01:09] <nixternal> mmm gnash > flash :)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> nixternal: sometimes. theres some applets gnash wont play
[01:10] <gnomefreak> atleast i found out today
[01:10] <nixternal> it plays youtube, good enough for me :)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:11] <nixternal> just so I can watch people make idiots out of themselves..that way there I don't feel bad when I do
[01:11] <nixternal> I like the technology/make it yourself type videos..they have some cool stuff on there
[02:12] <etank> does anyone know if python-wmi will make it into the ubuntu universe anytime?
[02:12] <etank> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-wmi   <--- link
[02:13] <pochu> etank: python-wmi | 20070517-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[02:13] <pochu> So it's already in Universe.
[02:14] <etank> sweet
[02:14] <etank> not for feisty then though huh
[02:14] <crimsun> python-wmi | 20070517-2 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc
[02:15] <crimsun> no, not for 7.04.
[02:15] <crimsun> request a backport if you're frothing at the mouth.
[02:17] <etank> crimsun: how do you go about requesting a backport
[02:17] <pochu> !backports
[02:17] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[02:18] <pochu> etank: file a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug
[02:18] <pochu> (for feisty)
[02:18] <etank> or better yet i may try to make one myself just for practive :)
[02:18] <etank> *practice
[02:18] <etank> i want to learn how to do this stuff anyway
[02:18] <pochu> You can include it in the backports repo, then.
[02:19] <pochu> So you learn, and contribute :)
[02:19] <etank> that would be the awesome
[02:20] <pochu> Night folks
[02:36] <etank> is the prevu app the recommended way to create a backport?
[02:39] <Amaranth> yes
[02:39] <etank> cool
[04:44] <dmb> mehhh
[06:30] <somerville32> I can't generate enough entropy to generate a new key :/
[06:33] <somerville32> Hobbsee: Come help me generate more entropy :P
[06:34] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:34] <Hobbsee> somerville32: oh?  how?
[06:36] <somerville32> lol
[06:36] <somerville32> You could just send me some.
[06:36] <somerville32> I can't seem to generate enough to create a new key
[06:37] <somerville32> Is it possible to import a key from the keyserver?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> a public key, sure
[06:37] <TheMuso> Public key, yes.
[06:38] <somerville32> And I suppose I can't use my public key to authenticate with bzr?
[06:40] <elkbuntu> well no, that wouldnt be logical now, would it
[06:47] <somerville32> I can't generate enough entropy.
[06:47] <StevenK> somerville32: Run bonnie++ in another terminal.
[07:02] <jmg> somerville32: are you shelled into the machine generating the keys remotely?
[07:21] <Amaranth> the mouse is a great source of entropy
[07:21] <Amaranth> move it around randomly
[07:21] <Amaranth> oh, he left
[07:46] <cbx33> ping imbrandon
[07:49] <Hobbsee> cbx33: his machine's down, he doesnt seem to be here
[07:49] <Hobbsee> at least, aurora is
[07:49] <cbx33> oh man
[07:49] <Hobbsee> yes.  not so good.
[07:49] <cbx33> thanks Hobbsee
[07:49] <cbx33> been trying to get hold of him for about a week now
[07:49] <cbx33> :(
[07:49] <cbx33> how are you anyways?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> exams, work, ubuntu stuff.  having fun :)
[07:50] <cbx33> hehe good good
[07:50] <cbx33> what exams?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> done physics, got maths and electronics to go
[07:51] <Hobbsee> (uni exams, whihc is why i wont be in boston)
[07:51] <cbx33> awesome
[07:51] <dmb> any of you familiar with the gpg thing in launchpad?
[07:51] <cbx33> I wish I could go back
[07:51] <dmb> i do gpg --send-key
[07:51] <cbx33> loved learning new stuff all the live long day
[07:51] <dmb> but it nrbrt drnfd
[07:52] <dmb> but it never sends*
[07:52] <Hobbsee> cbx33: i would, but ubuntu is more interesting than it
[07:52] <Hobbsee> dmb: did you specify the key ID at the end?
[07:52] <cbx33> heheh
[07:52] <dmb> Hobbsee: how do you get the key id?
[07:52] <dmb> Hobbsee: is that just the email address?
[07:52] <cbx33> Hobbsee, hmm......it'd be a toss up - I did Acoustical Engineering - we did tonnes of varied stuff
[07:53] <Hobbsee> dmb: you've created your key, right?
[07:53] <dmb> Hobbsee: yes
[07:53] <cbx33> gpg --list-keys
[07:53] <Hobbsee> dmb: then use gpg --list-keys
[07:53] <Hobbsee> and pick the keyID of yours
[07:54] <dmb> Hthere is no keyID column
[07:54] <dmb> theres pub, uid and sub
[07:54] <cbx33> second column
[07:54] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ gpg --list-keys sarah hobbs
[07:54] <Hobbsee> pub   1024D/7D2BCE85 2006-08-16
[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (nick: Hobbsee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:54] <cbx33> 7D2BCE85
[07:54] <Hobbsee> means that 7D2BCE85 is the keyID
[07:54] <dmb> oh
[07:54] <dmb> ill try that
[07:54] <jmg> LongPointyStick?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> jmg: yes.  The DOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!  variety
[07:55] <cbx33> jmg tell me when it's safe to come out again
[07:55] <Hobbsee> it's not safe.  it's never safe.
[07:56] <cbx33> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:56] <cbx33> ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:56] <cbx33> o
[07:56] <jmg> that sounds like something that should be on everything2
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:56] <cbx33> right y'all off for breakfast
[07:56] <Hobbsee> have fun
[07:56] <cbx33> oh before I go
[07:57] <cbx33> actually ya know what
[07:57] <cbx33> nevermind
[07:57] <cbx33> I'll figure it out later on
[07:57] <crimsun> I tell ya, these MOTU making a mess of others' insides...
[07:57] <cbx33> hey hey crimsun
[07:57] <cbx33> there's a song too
[07:57] <dmb> Hobbsee: its weird, because its sent to the ubuntu keyserver, i can query it, but it still says Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key.
[07:57] <cbx33> do I have to do a dance?
[07:57] <cbx33> hehe
[07:57] <cbx33> bbl
[07:58] <dmb> Hobbsee: hold on, now it works
[07:58] <dmb> guess it was just a delayh
[07:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> it takes a little bit for it all to propogate
[07:58] <dmb> yup :)
[08:04] <dmb> can someone resync  the REVU's uploaders keyring?
[08:05] <crimsun> dmb: running.
[08:05] <dmb> thanks :D
[08:19] <crimsun> dmb: finished.
[08:19] <dmb> ok, thanks
[08:23] <dmb> if we are making a package, in the changelog file, what do we put, the next ubuntu release name?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> yes - ie gutsy
[08:24] <dmb> ok, thanks again :)
[08:38] <zakame> gutsy mcninja
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hiya Fujitsu
[08:39] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[08:39] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> but segfaulting is fun.
[08:40] <Fujitsu> I had to configure wpa_supplicant manually :(
[08:40] <Hobbsee> why didnt you use  knetworkmanager?
[08:40] <Fujitsu> I haven't done that in well over a year.
[08:41] <Fujitsu> I considered installing that to see if it worked, but decided that finding an Ethernet cable would be a little annoying.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> ah, point
[08:41] <zakame> heya Fujitsu :D
[08:41] <Fujitsu> It seems to be some gnome-keyring thing, as Gajim had issues when trying to get the password.
[10:16] <bmm> Any MOTU: ccbuild is looking for it's second advocate or new things to work on. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5572
[10:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:17] <geser> morning dholbach
[10:18] <dholbach> heya geser - how are you doing?
[10:18] <geser> good
[10:19] <bryce> heya dholbach :-)
[10:19] <dholbach> hey bryce!
[10:19] <dholbach> how's it going?
[10:19] <bryce> going good
[10:19] <coNP> Any MOTU: my openbox update package wants to be reviewed: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5589 (obconf also supplied: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5569)
[10:19] <dholbach> great
[10:20] <bryce> dholbach: today I figured out how to do packaging of linux-restricted-modules, and successfully built my first one :-)
[10:20] <dholbach> bryce: rock on :-)
[10:20] <bryce> (with new fglrx)
[10:20] <dholbach> hey doko
[10:20] <coNP> wow
[10:20] <dholbach> NICE :-)
[10:20] <doko> good morning
[10:21] <dholbach> doko: good morning
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hiya bryce
[10:24] <bryce> heya Hobbsee
[10:24] <Hobbsee> bryce: damn X.  still hasnt crashed.
[10:24] <bryce> hehe
[10:25] <bryce> Hobbsee: my gut says your bug is going to be something new, not what we had before
[10:25] <bryce> but of course, it has to crash before we can be sure.  ;-)
[10:26] <Hobbsee> bryce: could well be.
[10:57] <XAngelusX> hi to everyone
[11:07] <RAOF> I
[11:07] <shawarma> RAOF: you
[11:07] <RAOF> shawarma: Hello.  Yes?
[11:08] <Qball> he he
[11:08] <shawarma> :-p
[11:08] <RAOF> I've just realised that the new debian kvm-28 package is not going to appear on MoM or DaD, since our kvm package has an epoch.
[11:08] <RAOF> Can that be done manually, or am I going to have to work out how to do what they do manually?
[11:09] <RAOF> In other words, will I have to manually do what MoM or DaD do automatically, or can I get *them* to manually do their funky stuff?
[11:12] <RAOF> Merge o Matic, and Done and Dusted.
[11:12] <RAOF> They're automatic Debian->Ubuntu merging thingies.
[11:13] <coNP> thanks, RAOF
[11:14] <RAOF> Ah, I must be hitting that libxul bug.
[11:14] <RAOF> In democracyplayer news, our divergence from Debian is now a 3 line patch :)
[11:14] <StevenK> RAOF: Woot!
[11:15] <RAOF> And just as soon as democracyplayer is installable in Sid, I'll see if the bug our patch fixes is apparent in Sid, too :)
[11:15] <StevenK> In transition news, I have pretty much single-handedly done the libsnmp9 -> libsnmp10 one.
[11:16] <RAOF> StevenK: Woot! :)
[11:16] <StevenK> RAOF: :-)
[11:16] <RAOF> Do you know what would be super-ultra-cool?  A deskbar plugin that did launchpad bug searches like Debian has for their BTS.
[11:17] <RAOF> And in "what the hell" news, I've discovered that Sid doesn't have any prebuild ipw3945 modules for it's kernel.
[11:19] <zakame> is it incremental-pkglist-updates tiem now pls? :P
[11:26] <XAngelusX> :)
[11:26] <XAngelusX> please answer my question , which is the cause for this channel?
[11:28] <jussi01> XAngelusX: this is where the motu's hang out
[11:28] <jussi01> !motu
[11:28] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:28] <jussi01> and also those who help package and want to be motu's and some others
[11:28] <XAngelusX> mmmmmm
[11:28] <jussi01> have a look at the topic
[11:28] <XAngelusX> what interesting thing
[11:29] <XAngelusX> sorry for my understanding , im spanish one
[11:29] <jussi01> :)
[11:29] <XAngelusX> then here is the people that decide which packets programs and other come to de universe and multiverse sourceS?
[11:30] <mok0> Yes, we're the deciders
[11:30] <jussi01> yes
[11:30] <jussi01> hehe
[11:30] <XAngelusX> :)
[11:30] <XAngelusX> ok
[11:30] <jussi01> XAngelusX: its a good idea to be nice to them if you want something.. :D
[11:30] <XAngelusX> can i have a question for you?
[11:30] <XAngelusX> yes jeje
[11:31] <XAngelusX> it maybe strange , it is for xorg-xserver-via drivers
[11:31] <XAngelusX> if the questions about that is out of place tell me
[11:32] <jussi01> XAngelusX: you can ask, and we will try answer or point you to the right place to ask :D
[11:32] <XAngelusX> Do you know if this drivers have relation to the openchrome project ones?
[11:33] <jussi01> no idea, maybe someone else knows...
[11:33] <XAngelusX> okis
[11:33] <mok0> XAngelusX: probably better chance of an answer if you ask at ubuntuforums.org
[11:34] <XAngelusX> thx but it was only a question without much urgent
[11:35] <XAngelusX> and
[11:35] <XAngelusX> this project is complemented with search of bugs ?
[12:41] <ryanakca> say is it possible to request a sync for something that's in Debian NEW? DebianSyncFreezy is on Thursday, and I don't know when it will get out
[12:43] <ryanakca> s/say//g
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, i think so
[12:43] <Hobbsee> and you can say 'i'ts still stuck in the new queue"
[12:43] <Hobbsee> then again, it'd be under a new package, so it'd be before new package freeze
[12:43] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i dunno about NEW, but if its in incomming you can
[12:44] <imbrandon> because the NEW *.dsc's arent published afaik
[12:45] <Q-FUNK> *nods*
[12:50] <geser> afaik NEW is not possible as the source packages aren't made available
[12:51] <geser> ryanakca: no need to hurry as you've time till NewPackagesFreezeUniverse (August 30th) to request the sync
[12:51] <geser> on Thursday only the automatic syncing stops
[01:00] <pochu> Heya MOTUs and MOTU padawans!
[01:01] <geser> Hi pochu
[01:05] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Hobbsee: if I gave them a link to mentors.debian.net repos with the .dsc?
[01:05] <ryanakca> (the equivalent of ubuntu's REVU)
[01:05] <ryanakca> nevermind
[01:06] <ryanakca> geser: Okies, I'll wait 'till it gets out of NEW, and then I'll ask for a sync
[01:10] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yea you can ask them to sync it from mentors too
[01:10] <imbrandon> fi they will/wont depends on who acks it etc etc etc etc
[01:10] <imbrandon> but its possible from there
[01:11] <geser> doesn't the archive admins prefer to sync from Debian as they have fewer checks to do?
[01:11] <imbrandon> prefer yes, but not impossible
[01:12] <imbrandon> or unpresidented
[01:37] <RAOF> Yay!  Apport's back!  I obviously should have gone scrounging through gconf for the re-enable key earlier :/
[01:38] <pochu> I think it's intentionally disabled.
[01:38] <RAOF> In Feisty, yes.
[01:38] <StevenK> Eww. lustre depends on a specific kernel version.
[01:38] <RAOF> Surely it's not intententionally disabled in Gutsy?
[01:39] <StevenK> Description: Linux kernel patch for the Lustre Filesystem
[01:39] <StevenK> Oh, duh
[01:39] <StevenK> Why does it Build-Depend on linux-source-2.6.18, though!?
[01:40] <pochu> RAOF: I think it is in Gutsy too, until https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apport-crash-duplicates is implemented.
[01:40] <pochu> It is disabled, I mean.
[01:41] <StevenK> # We need one kernel source to be present during build to satisfy
[01:41] <StevenK> #  the lustre build process. This is $(KERNEL_VERSION)
[01:41] <StevenK> Ohhhhh, *twitch*
[01:41] <Nafallo> pochu: it's in use here...
[01:44] <RAOF> pochu: Ah, fair enough.
[02:14] <jussi01> hmmm, quick question, when is the last date for upload for gutsy? ie. when do i need to have my packages approved by?
[02:22] <jussi01> wow... dead tonight...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> er...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> what type of package?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> new?
[02:22] <jussi01> yeah
[02:23] <Hobbsee> the new package freeze
[02:23] <Hobbsee> whenever tha tis
[02:23] <jussi01> hehe... wheres that schedule gone...
[02:29] <Hobbsee> jussi01: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:30] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thank you :D
[02:31] <jussi01> hmmm, so that means 19th of august? that late????
[02:32] <jussi01> wow...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> likely
[02:32] <jussi01> ok, well thats all good then :D
[02:32] <Hobbsee> new packages shouldnt break anything already existing
[02:32] <jussi01> yeah, just upstream on one of mine is about to release a new on in a couple of weeks...
[02:33] <jussi01> so I want to get the new version in
[02:33] <jussi01> :D
[02:42] <imbrandon> hrm you know what would be good
[02:42] <imbrandon> a GUI deb package creator
[02:43] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You're dreaming!
[02:43] <imbrandon> heh
[02:43] <imbrandon> dh_make + cdbs + GUI
[02:43] <imbrandon> :)
[02:43] <StevenK> imbrandon: "checkinstall"
[02:43] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[02:44] <jussi01> lol
[02:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: keep dreaming
[02:44] <imbrandon> :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[02:44] <imbrandon> would give me a reason to try gtk#
[02:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hello
[02:45] <zul> imbrandon: you have no reason for gtk# :)
[02:45] <ajmitch> hi
[02:45] <xxxxx1> good morning all!
[02:45] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:45] <imbrandon> ello *
[02:46] <jussi01> good evening ajmitch
[02:57] <jord-hole> hello masters of the universe
[02:58] <jord-hole> Would it be possible to request a package for grails or groovy?
[03:01] <jussi01> jord-hole: file a bug needs packaging on lauchpad
[03:01] <jussi01> hello persia
[03:02] <persia> Hi jussi01.
[03:02] <jord-hole> jussi01: will do, thanks for the suggestion.
[03:02] <jussi01> persia: i just emailed you, did you get it?
[03:02] <jord-hole> Keep up the hard work guys! You are a big reason this distro works so well for so many
[03:03] <StevenK> persia: Got a tick?
[03:03] <persia> jussi01: Yes, but I've yet to read it.
[03:03] <persia> StevenK: Yes, but in 3-5 minutes would be better.  What's up?
[03:03] <jussi01> jord-hole: if your interested you can package it yourself, the motu's are very helpful with people learning
[03:03] <StevenK> persia: I'll wait the 5 minutes or so, it's fine. :-)
[03:05] <persia> jussi01: Sounds good.  Please keep the bug assigned to yourself and add a comment indicating that packaging is deferred for 0.9.6 due to licensing concerns, or something similar.
[03:05] <jussi01> persia: ok, will do.
[03:08] <jussi01> persia: in a moment i will give you the new revu address for mnemosyne that fixes that copyright issue...
[03:11] <StevenK> persia: Oh, right, sorry. I was AFK. You did the upload of cyrus21-imapd, which Build-Depends on libsnmp-dev. I was looking libsnmp9 using packages, and it looks like none of the built packages actually end up depending on libsnmp{9,10}.
[03:14] <persia> StevenK: Hrm.  Thanks for investigating that: it appears I didn't sufficiently.  It can probably be dropped, and a new upload (after looking at the ghosescript issue) is probably a good idea.  Do you have a specific interest in the package?
[03:15] <StevenK> persia: None, knock yourself out.
[03:16] <StevenK> persia: Although, checking a build doesn't depend on stuff pulled in via Build-Depends is not a usual check.
[03:16] <jussi01> persia: next thing in the queue after StevenK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5626
[03:16] <persia> StevenK: I was also contemplating dropping it: from what I can tell, cyrus-imapd is now strong enough, and 2.1 buggy enough that it didn't seem like a good recommendation.  What do you think?
[03:17] <StevenK> cyrus-imapd-2.2, even?
[03:18] <StevenK> Um. I'm not sure, to be honest.
[03:18] <persia> StevenK: Perhaps it should be: a package check that looks at the results of $(shlib:Depends) and compares against Build-Depends, and outputs a warning if there are extras would be nice :)
[03:19] <persia> StevenK: Right.  I thought there was once a dummy cyrus-imapd package that depended on the correct version, but it appears not to be present.
[03:19] <StevenK> The proper way to check is with the Build-Depends actually installed, so you can see the shlib.local files.
[03:19] <StevenK> persia: cyrus-imapd == Cyrus 1.5
[03:21] <persia> StevenK: Ah.  This is perhaps evidence regarding how long it's been since I actually paid much attention to cyrus :)
[03:21] <StevenK> persia: Heh :-)
[03:21] <StevenK> persia: My mail server runs Cyrus 2.1
[03:21] <jussi01> hello dholbach
[03:21] <herzi> dholbach: did you set up the reverse dns?
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: no, I asked somebody else to do it
[03:22] <herzi> your mail just arrived (subject: codeschrott)
[03:22] <persia> StevenK: In that case, I'll update the package.
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: I have loads of things to do atm
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: ah great
[03:22] <herzi> thanks for doing it though
[03:22] <StevenK> persia: (On Debian, more's the pity. Ubuntu sparc is planned, I just need to work up the courage.)
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: great to hear
[03:23] <dholbach> hehe
[03:24] <herzi> still waiting for the re-install to finish... (got a new unbroken HD)
[03:24] <dholbach> did you lose data?
[03:25] <mok0> pwd
[03:25] <xxxxx1> hello dholbach
[03:25] <mok0> oops wrong term :-)
[03:25] <herzi> no, I bought a 500 GiB USB drive three weeks ago for backups :-D
[03:29] <zakame> ooh
[03:30] <Nafallo> lol
[03:30] <Nafallo> my first thought was that flash had became large :-P
[03:30] <zakame> mok0: its `pwn'
[03:30] <dholbach> hi xxxxx1, hi jussi01
[03:31] <jussi01> dholbach: nice delayed reaction :P
[03:31] <dholbach> I'm doing a couple of other things at the same time :)
[03:31] <jussi01> :)
[03:32] <zakame> fork()
[03:32] <zakame> or maybe spawn()?
[03:34] <persia> jussi01: Now I'm rather confused.  Looking at the package, I'm not finding evidence of things copyright 1996 or 2003 only by the listed copyright holders, and I do find a third AUTHOR not listed in debian/copyright.  Could you lead me a little?
[03:34] <zakame> :O
[03:34] <jussi01> hehe... got you all confused...
[03:34] <zakame> brb, wash(dish);
[03:35] <jussi01> persia: its because it is actually a rename/update of another program already in the repos....
[03:35] <persia> jussi01: Ah.  Which program?
[03:36] <jussi01> gah, cant remember the name now... 1 sec
[03:37] <mok0> I need to install torque/maui, but I cannot see that anyone has packaged them (recently). Can that really be?
[03:37] <herzi> mok0: installing torque should be pretty straight forward
[03:37] <mok0> Yeah, but I need it packaged
[03:38] <mok0> It has a weird license
[03:38] <mok0> probably why it's not in the repo...
[03:41] <jussi01> persia: memaid-pyqt
[03:46] <jussi01> persia: I have to hop on a plane soon, so if im gone, email me anything. :D
[03:50] <persia> jussi01: You've found an interesting situation.  As far as I can tell from looking at the docs, mnemosyne is a rewrite of memaid, using the same pyqt and superkaramba interfaces.  Looking at the code, none of the pages for which the memaid author claims copyright appear to share more than a couple headers and some initialisation with mnemosyne.
[03:50] <persia> From where did you receive instruction that you needed to indicate copyright from the authors of the compatible predecessor package?
[03:51] <jussi01> hmmm, cant remember, it was someone on IRC here...
[03:52] <jussi01> a couple of people even, IIRC, cant remember who.
[03:53] <jussi01> hmmm... looking at revu, skottk suggested it, but Im almost certain there were others also.
[03:53] <jussi01> ScottK: even...
[03:53] <jussi01> :P
[03:53] <persia> jussi01: Ah.  Hard to say then.
[03:54] <jussi01> ok, anyway, my plan boards in 15, i should get to the gate.
[03:55] <persia> jussi01: Looking at the REVU comment, I have to agree, that where there is derivation, the original copyright holder needs to be mentioned, but in this case, I think all the files were replaced.  If you have time on the plane, try some diffs, and ping me when you get back north.
[03:55] <jussi01> see you later all. persia, I will be away for probably a week. maybe shorter though.
[03:55] <jussi01> persia: sure.
[03:56] <jussi01> good night all
[03:59] <ScottK> persia: I didn't compare the code.  I told him to do that based on the statement that it was a derived work.
[04:00] <persia> ScottK: Makes perfect sense.  I think this is a odd situation, as it appears that one of the primary contributors for memaid disagreed with a decision to take it commercial, and rebuilt a free version.  It needs more research, which we'll leave to the packager :)
[04:07] <elkbuntu> keybuk is getting really good at flooding planet, isnt he
[06:19] <Nightrose> can a MOTU give http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5487 some love please? ;-)
[06:27] <pochu> Nightrose: Add a blank line at the end of the .desktop file
[06:27] <pochu> +Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;
[06:27] <pochu> \ No newline at end of file
[06:28] <Nightrose> douh - thx pochu
[06:31] <Nightrose> pochu: done
[07:26] <polopolo> hello all, do I need to go in the GNOME envirnment to devolp a gnome package, or can I do it in kubuntu?
[07:26] <zul> gotta love the drive bys
[07:40] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[07:55] <xxxxx1> hello DarkSun88
[07:56] <leonel> je
[08:08] <dmb> little problem
[08:08] <dmb> before, i uploaded something to revu that got rejected, because i left unstable in the changelog
[08:08] <dmb> i fixed that, and it won't let me upload a replacement
[08:08] <dmb> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of inspircd_1.1.8-1.dsc
[08:08] <dmb> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[08:08] <dmb>       For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used
[08:08] <dmb>       to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[08:08] <dmb> how can i fix that?
[08:09] <bluekuja> dmb, need to ping a REVU admin
[08:11] <dmb> bluekuja: is there a list of them?
[08:12] <bluekuja> dmb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU
[08:13] <dmb> or ajmitch :) if any of you are here
[08:14] <ibrown> hey, i have a quick question in regards to the "motu" i guess.  I just switched from slack -> ubuntu-feisty 64.  and i'm noticing there's some things i'd like to change, and thought this isn't the right version for me.  for example.  versions: glib-2.0 = 2.12.11 i'd like that glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0.  So i'm thinking there's a more "bleeding" edge version of ubuntu to do this dev work on?
[08:14] <LaserJock> dmb: what do you need?
[08:15] <zul> ibrown: install gutsy and this channel isnt for support either
[08:15] <dmb> LaserJock: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of inspircd_1.1.8-1.dsc
[08:15] <dmb> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[08:15] <dmb>       For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used
[08:15] <dmb>       to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[08:15] <dmb> it got rejected because i left in unstable in the changlog of the package
[08:16] <dmb> now it won't let me upload the fix
[08:16] <LaserJock> dmb: right, give me a sec and I'll clear it out
[08:17] <dmb> ok, thank you
[08:19] <LaserJock> dmb: done
[08:19] <dmb> ok
[08:19] <dmb> thanks
[08:20] <dmb> LaserJock: do I have to get one of you every time there needs to be a change on the package based on reviews?
[08:21] <LaserJock> no
[08:21] <LaserJock> we just have a few checks
[08:22] <LaserJock> source only upload and versioning I think are the only ones
[08:22] <dmb> oh
[08:25] <LaserJock> actually, I'm not sure if versioning is even checked
[08:25] <LaserJock> it looks like your first upload failed because you weren't in the keyring yet
[08:25] <dmb> is it supposed to send a password through email?
[08:25] <dmb> LaserJock: ah, that could be it, because i uploaded it while it was still syncing
[08:26] <LaserJock> no, it won't send a password
[08:26] <LaserJock> you can get a password by doing a password recovery on revu.tauware.de
[08:27] <dmb> oh
[08:29] <polopolo> Hello all, do I need GNOME to package GNOME packages?
[08:30] <leonel> only his dependencies
[08:33] <dholbach> in most cases you need GNOME to properly test GNOME packages
[08:41] <shawarma> ajmitch: Are you planning to do the samba merge?
[08:44] <dmb> i have a stupid question, what distribution are we supposed to put in?
[08:44] <polopolo> dholbach: So no problem if I package gnome programs in KDE?
[08:45] <dmb> in debian, there was unstable and stable
[08:45] <dmb> do we just put gusty for that?
[08:45] <shawarma> dmb: the current development release, i.e. gutsy.
[08:45] <shawarma> dmb: Not gusty. :)
[08:45] <dmb> oops
[08:45] <dmb> shawarma: is it ok that lintian says this:
[08:45] <dmb> E: inspircd_1.1.8-1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy
[08:46] <shawarma> dmb: That's fine.
[08:46] <dmb> should I add an override or is it ok to leave it?
[08:46] <shawarma> dmb: You can grab lintian from gutsy to "fix" it.
[08:46] <dmb> ah
[08:46] <shawarma> dmb: Don't add an override.
[08:46] <dmb> ok
[08:47] <polopolo> !debian
[08:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[09:18] <shawarma> \o/ LaserJock !
[09:18] <bluekuja> congrats LaserJock !!!!!!!1
[09:18] <bluekuja> :)
[09:18] <AndyP> LaserJock: congratulations!
[09:19] <bluekuja> lol
[09:19] <leonel> congrats  LaserJock
[09:20] <bluekuja> LaserJock, you rock :)
[09:20] <LaserJock> not exactly
[09:20] <RainCT> LaserJock: gratz :)
[09:20] <bluekuja> hehehe
[09:20] <LaserJock> I've just put a lot of time into it
[09:20] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:20] <bluekuja> I know :)
[09:21] <bluekuja> :D
[09:22] <AndyP> cheers :)
[09:23] <AndyP> LaserJock: so you're going to fix all the edubuntu bugs now? :)
[09:24] <LaserJock> AndyP: of course ;-)
[09:24] <AndyP> awesome :)
[09:25] <pochu> LaserJock: congrats!
[09:26] <dmb> im am totally craving this right now:
[09:26] <dmb> http://www.eatfoo.com/files/images/20060703_-_fried_chicken/IMG_6221.jpg
[09:40] <jrib> ScottK (or anyone who is interested): I emailed upstream for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444 and amir told me that he's still maintaining the code but nothing has come up recently.  Should I change the copyright to 2003-2007?  The last check-in seems to have been made a year ago
[09:48] <Lure> LaserJock: congrats on ore-dev!
[09:48] <Lure> core-dev even ;-)
[10:08] <jekil> anyone can review please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5443
[10:14] <pochu> jekil: in debian/control, in the description, add a blank line (an space and a dot, ' .'), and another space to Homepage's indenting ('  Homepage:')
[10:14] <pochu> So it is
[10:14] <pochu>  bla.
[10:14] <pochu>  .
[10:14] <pochu>   Homepage: ...
[10:15] <ScottK> LaserJock: Congratulations.
[10:16] <ScottK> jrib: In that case, I think I'd just leave it.  You've documented the copyright claims that the author has made and I think that's sufficient.
[10:16] <ScottK> jekil: Not that that's two leading spaces before Homepage:
[10:17] <ScottK> Not/Note
[10:23] <jekil> pochu, ScottK: thank you, i have uploaded a new with your suggestion http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5638
[10:24] <jrib> ScottK: sounds good, thanks for the comments
[10:25] <ScottK> jekil: You need to have the copyright years for upstream in debian/copyright.
[10:29] <ScottK> jekil: You might, rather than using help2man to statically generate the man page that you then have to redo manually each time you update the package, consider building it automatically in debian/rules when the binary package is built (this is not required, but would be nice to have).
[10:29] <ScottK> jekil: I don't have time for a thorough review just now, but that's what I see based on a quick review of the diff.
[10:30] <jekil> ScottK: i consider it, but the format of help can't originate a good man page
[10:30] <ScottK> jekil: Did you have to edit it then?
[10:30] <jekil> ScottK: yes
[10:30] <ScottK> jekil: In that case take out the bit in the man page comments about don't edit manually and nevermind about automatically generating it.
[10:33] <jekil> ScottK: thanks
[10:35] <ScottK> jrib: I re-advocated your new upload.


[03:14] <bryceh> it's a jockey error actually
[12:11] <om26er> bryceh, Hi! there is a bug with fglrx driver that has been there from last cycle, do you have a thought on this?
[12:11] <om26er> bug 770283
[12:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770283 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "[fglrx]title bar does not update on non-maximized windows (affects: 39) (dups: 5) (heat: 208)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770283


[05:04] <MatthewDesigner> Hello everyone!
[19:05] <thorwil> alpha or maybe beta testers wanted: https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/backtestground/backtestground
[19:09] <vish> bzr branch lp:backtestground
[19:09] <vish> grr!
[19:10] <thorwil> grr?
[19:10] <vish> i copy pasted in wrong window..
[19:10] <thorwil> heh
[19:12] <thorwil> i guess someday i will paste an interesting link, accidentally and people will wonder about wild boar riding midgets in rubber suits
[19:13] <vish> someday.. one can only hope..  ;)
[19:16] <thorwil> vish: i'd like to see how much sense you can make out of that branch on your own, but don't hesitate to ask questions
[19:17] <vish> hmm, i was expecting the INSTALL file to actually be the installer ;p
[19:18] <vish> and was wondering why README dint have install instructions..
[19:18] <thorwil> oh. but it's in docs and INSTALL for info on how to install is convention (if not part of the README)
[19:20] <vish> afaik or have seen, the install file usually installs and the read me has the install info
[19:20] <thorwil> an install.sh in root, maybe
[19:21] <vish> yea..
[19:21] <vish> the .sh is usually hidden or not used, so it just looks too much the same.
[19:21] <vish> * ".sh"
[19:37] <vish> $ python setup.py build
[19:37] <vish> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:37] <vish>   File "setup.py", line 3, in <module>
[19:37] <vish>     from setuptools import setup
[19:37] <vish> ImportError: No module named setuptools
[19:37] <vish> thorwil: ^  doesnt seem to install
[19:37] <vish> i have both python-imagining and python-argparse
[19:38] <vish> oh !
[19:38] <vish> thorwil: do i also need python-setuptools ?
[19:39] <vish> or is it the  python3-setuptools ?
[19:41] <thorwil> vish: python-setuptools
[19:41] <thorwil> sorry, i just added a note to INSTALL (and a note to README to point to INSTALL)
[19:42] <thorwil> after figuring out a few other things, i will look into making a deb
[20:11] <vish> n$ python bgce.py -o ~/bg.png
[20:11] <vish> usage: bgce.py [-h] [-v] [-o path/filename]
[20:11] <vish>                screenshot_on_white screenshot_on_shadow-color
[20:11] <vish> bgce.py: error: too few arguments
[20:11] <vish> thorwil: ^
[20:11] <vish> thats what i get..
[20:12] <vish> not sure how to run it, btw, why does it need to install? cant we run it just from the folder?
[20:12] <thorwil> vish: if setup.py worked, you should now have "bgce" and "sizes" in /usr/local/bin.
[20:13] <vish> yea, setup worked
[20:13]  * vish checks again..
[20:13] <thorwil> vish: sure the scripts run from where they are
[20:13] <thorwil> but that's not convenient in everyday use
[20:14] <thorwil> vish: use the images in the test_images dir
[20:15] <vish> thorwil: setup http://paste.ubuntu.com/539797/
[20:15] <thorwil> vish: looks alright
[20:16] <vish> but if i run the .py from ~/ it doesnt seem to pickup the executable..
[20:16] <vish> oh wait!
[20:16] <thorwil> vish: bgc tab-key should complete to bgce everywhere now
[20:16] <vish> nope, false alarm..
[20:17] <vish> it does, but it does not /run/
[20:17] <vish> $ bgce
[20:17] <vish> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:17] <vish>   File "/usr/local/bin/bgce", line 9, in <module>
[20:17] <vish>     load_entry_point('Backtestground==1.0', 'console_scripts', 'bgce')()
[20:17] <vish>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 305, in load_entry_point
[20:17] <vish>     return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name)
[20:17] <vish>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2244, in load_entry_point
[20:17] <vish>     return ep.load()
[20:17] <vish>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 1954, in load
[20:17] <vish>     entry = __import__(self.module_name, globals(),globals(), ['__name__'])
[20:17] <vish> ImportError: No module named bgce
[20:20] <thorwil> vish: same here. now if i only knew what the heck changed ...
[20:20] <vish> phew, well atleast i'm not totally dumb :D
[20:23] <thorwil> vish: in the meantime, the help text formatting is a little odd, as required parameters appear in a second line
[20:24] <thorwil> vish: bgce.py on_white.png on_black.png
[20:24] <thorwil> (with appropriate  paths)
[20:24] <vish> hmm..
[20:24] <thorwil> result will be called context.png
[20:27] <vish> thorwil: dint understand … you want me to edit the bgce.py ?
[20:28] <thorwil> vish: no.
[20:28] <thorwil> cd path/to/bin
[20:29] <thorwil> ./bgce ../test_images/on_white ../test_images/on_black.png
[20:31] <vish> yea, i tried $ python bgce.py ~/on_white.png
[20:31] <vish> usage: bgce.py [-h] [-v] [-o path/filename]
[20:31] <vish>                screenshot_on_white screenshot_on_shadow-color
[20:31] <vish> bgce.py: error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/vishnoo/on_white.png'
[20:31] <vish> argh..
[20:32] <vish> 2am, not a good time for trying something new i guess ;p
[20:32] <thorwil> well, it's easier to have the scripts and images in the same dir
[20:32] <vish> hmm, k.. copying..
[20:37] <vish> finally!
[20:37] <vish> \o/ i got the context.png, but its just a copy..
[20:40] <thorwil> vish: look at all 3 files with eog
[20:41] <vish> thorwil: ok.. *now* i realize what the readme screenshot meant.. :)
[20:41] <thorwil> :)
[20:41] <vish>  the readme "screenshot" meant
[20:42] <vish> thorwil: i was thinking it would take a screenshot..
[20:45] <thorwil> vish: right, i have to rephrase that
[20:45] <thorwil> vish: thanks!
[20:46] <vish> np..
[20:46] <thorwil> vish: the "sizes" tool is clear enough?
[20:46] <vish> thorwil: yea, that's confusing too , when you say "Take.." it seems like it will take
[20:49] <thorwil> i see, the short form of "take as argument" is no good
[20:49] <thorwil> will use "expects as input", instead
[21:06] <thorwil> good night!