[00:03] <azizLIGHTS> do i need fail2ban and/or denyhosts if i disable password logins on sshd
[00:05] <azizLIGHTS> how come i put client's public key on server? why dont i obtain public key of server into client? what is difference
[00:40] <pmarchwiak> hi, I'm trying to perform a kernel bisection following the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection but I'm not seeing the debian-master dir after starting and thus can't set a test version #
[05:18] <jonrs> Hi... anyone here?
[05:18] <jmarsden> jonrs: Just ask your real question and see who answers :)
[05:19] <jonrs> thanks.
[05:21] <lost4400> hu?
[05:21] <jonrs> i'm trying to launch an ami image but not getting ssh... trying to find out if it's a problem with amazon or if the ubuntu image doesn't have ssh enabled... the image i'm using is ami-880c5ccd
[05:24] <lost4400> ouch,, kante respondre
[07:34] <sss> How do I know if I am connected to the internet?
[08:26] <sss> I need help connecting to the Internet through a WEP connection
[08:32] <sss> anyone here?
[08:52] <ikonia> sss: what's up
[08:52] <sss> Trying to connect to the Internet
[08:53] <ikonia> ok ?
[08:54] <sss> Trying to connect wireless to the Internet through WEP using DHCP, afaik
[08:54] <ikonia> on ubuntu server or desktop ?
[08:54] <sss> I can connect with Ubuntu Desktop but I don't know how with Ubuntu Server
[08:55] <ikonia> I don't think ubuntu server has the wirless tools installed by default, and in honesty I don't know if all of them are available on ubuntu server (wirless network card modules I mean)
[08:55] <ikonia> sss: how far along are you ?
[08:55] <AtomicSpark> Can we please give a warning not to use tasksel on Ubuntu Server? I removed email and print server options and it pretty much just uninstalled half my server packages. Things that weren't even related. Irssi, ufw, etc.
[08:56] <ikonia> AtomicSpark: I've never seen that, I'd log a bug for that quite urgently
[08:56] <sss> I am trying to find a command that accept the hex digits code for the wireless network
[08:56] <AtomicSpark> I was seeing the packages preparing to be remove and I was C-cing like crazy. :\
[08:57] <ikonia> you just said that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:57] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[08:57] <ikonia> so I'd log a bug for it
[08:57] <sss> AtomicSpark, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel says "WARNING: Use tasksel only to install tasks, never to remove any! According to https://launchpad.net/bugs/574287 it will remove each package in the list of that task (and possibly render your system unusable)."
[08:57] <AtomicSpark> sss: Thank you
[08:58] <ikonia> looks like a valid bug, add your stuff to it if you think it helps
[08:58] <sss> I don't have iwconfig command in Ubuntu Server, so I do think it doesn't support wireless connections by default
[08:59] <ikonia> sss: you'll need the wireless-tools package for that
[08:59] <sss> How do I get the package without Internet connection? Can I install them with a USB flash disk?
[09:00] <ikonia> why are you doing this with ubuntu server if it works on ubuntu desktop out of the box ?
[09:00] <ikonia> would it not be easier to use the desktop version that supports wirless out of the box /
[09:00] <sss> I installed Ubuntu Server only for experimenting with it
[09:01] <ikonia> ok, so it's the same OS as the desktop but with a few packages modified for enterprise server use, and a few packages removed
[09:01] <ikonia> is there something specific in the server version you want/need/want to try
[09:01] <sss> LAMP, Java, mail(?)
[09:02] <ikonia> sss: that's all available on ubuntu desktop
[09:02] <ikonia> you don't neve the ubuntu server install for that
[09:02] <AtomicSpark> ikonia: Since it happens with all tasks, not sure adding which options I selected would help and I didn't have a "currently installed" package list handy. Oh well, been meaning to start fresh anyways. :\
[09:03] <sss> Any way I can add packages without Internet connection?
[09:03] <ikonia> sss: yes, but why ? it's easier to use the desktop version as it's geared up for desktop hardware use out of the box
[09:03] <AtomicSpark> You'd have to have the alt cd or dvd handy and it's only packages from main.
[09:04] <ikonia> sss: why make it hard on yourself as the chances are you're going to need more packages such as wifi card kernel modules,
[09:04] <ikonia> the desktop and server install can do the same physical tasks, so why not just use the version that will work best for your hardware and needs
[09:04] <sss> Does the Ubuntu Server Disk include the tasks packages or does it install them from the Internet?
[09:05] <ikonia> sss: you need to install them from the internet
[09:05] <sss> How do I install LAMP in Ubuntu Desktop (finally convinced me... lol)
[09:05] <AtomicSpark> Hmm. I'm curious if you could apt-cd the server cd now.
[09:06] <ikonia> sss: you install ubuntu desktop, then either use tasksel or install php/mysql/apache
[09:06] <ikonia> AtomicSpark: I'm not %100 I believe you can
[09:06] <ikonia> AtomicSpark: it should work the same as the desktop for the "main" packages
[09:06] <AtomicSpark> Yeah I was thinking it should be the same as the Alt CD.
[09:07] <sss> ikonia: I am now installing tasksel on Ubuntu Desktop
[09:07] <ikonia> ok, well guess we are done here
[09:07] <AtomicSpark> Tasksel sure does have a lot of packages listed for lamp.
[09:08] <sss> "tasksel install lamp"?
[09:08] <AtomicSpark> lamp-server
[09:09] <sss> sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[09:09] <sss> ok, It is now installing.
[09:09] <sss> Where will it be installed?
[09:10] <AtomicSpark> sss: You won't have a GUI tool for it.
[09:10] <AtomicSpark> You put web stuffs in /var/www/
[09:10] <AtomicSpark> You access the database either by using a GUI utility or phpmyadmin
[09:11] <AtomicSpark> or command line if you're brave! :P
[09:11] <ikonia> or simply the "mysql" command
[09:11] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[09:11] <sss> How do I host PHP website? simply put files in /ver/www/ ?
[09:12] <AtomicSpark> Mostly, yes.
[09:12] <ikonia> sss: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com
[09:12] <AtomicSpark> (the server guide is awesome)
[09:12] <ikonia> sss: it's a good guide to the basics of ubuntu and how it works
[09:12] <sss> ok. thanks
[09:28] <sss> I installed LAMP. It shows HTML files correctly, but do not process PHP files
[09:30] <ikonia> sss: have you read the document you where given
[09:30] <ikonia> sss: you may want to take this to #ubuntu now that you are using the desktop version
[09:30] <sss> ok
[11:33] <Ztripez> is there anyway to change a devies uuid? i have 6 drives.. each crypted with luks and the mapped crypted devices are lvm:ed to one huge crypted parttion.. howver.. one of my sata cabels broke (for some strange reason) so i changed it.. all of sudden 2 of my crypted devices have the same uuid and the lvm halts (missing 1 disk). i know what the uuid  the luksdevice should have.. is there any way i can set the uuid to the correct one?
[11:41] <Ztripez> aparently it's the PV:s i need to change not the luks
[11:47] <Ztripez> ok.. so if i do a pvchange -u  /dev/mapper/sda1_crypted (witch is the one need to be changed) withc will create a new uuid for that drive.. will that break my lvm?
[11:52] <Ztripez> well that didn't help at all lol
[12:26] <hallooo> hallo kann mir jemand zum thema rechte weiter helfen ?
[12:26] <hallooo> rechte vergabe!
[12:26] <au> English
[12:27] <hallooo> just english?
[12:27] <hallooo> in this channel ?
[12:28] <RoyK> yes
[12:28] <RoyK> I guess there's an #ubuntu-de channel or something
[12:43] <m_tadeu> hi....I want to know about vulnerabilities on my server...can someone advise me on an good audit tool?
[12:46] <au> m_tadeu: chkrootkit, rklhunter
[12:47] <m_tadeu> au, is there an automated one? I'm not very good at security issues
[12:48] <remix_tj> m_tadeu: if you are not good at security issues every tool is useless
[12:48] <remix_tj> you need at least to know what you're looking for
[14:37] <RoyK>
[16:22] <syb> Grub or Grub2 as bootloader inside virtual machines running Lucid or Maverick?
[16:23] <RoyK> afaik grub2 is the supported one
[16:23] <RoyK> works for me
[16:25] <syb> RoyK: I've just now (in a Maverick LiveCD) run a fresh incarnation of 'vmbuilder' command and it installed grub instead of grub2
[16:25] <RoyK> it doesn't matter, really
[16:25] <syb> Result: GRUB Loading stage2..
[16:25] <RoyK> so long as the system comes up, either version will work
[16:25] <syb> [stuck]
[16:26] <RoyK> what virtualisation software?
[16:26] <RoyK> kvm?
[16:26] <syb> yep kvm. After seeing this error, I had shutdown the VM and mounted it's qcow2 disk images to chroot and  check/reinstall grub.
[16:28] <syb> I'll try boot the VM from a LiveCD and replace grub with grub2 from within that instead of chroot'ing
[16:34] <RoyK> syb: I'm using kvm quite a lot, servers installed with virt-manager
[16:34] <RoyK> host is 10.04.2 LTS, guests varies
[16:38] <wycks> anyone know how to add gpg keys to  for upgrading php from dotdeb.org, getting gpg error unverified signature
[16:43] <Error404NotFound> how can i change the hostname that goes into logs? do i need to change hostname of the system? I just tried "hostname demo", after i rebooted i couldn't see the effects, i am using Lucid Lynx
[16:44] <RoyK> Error404NotFound: /etc/hostname
[16:44] <RoyK> Error404NotFound: change /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname as well
[16:46] <Error404NotFound> RoyK: thanks, btw, whats the purpose of hostname command if its not meant for that?
[16:47] <RoyK> Error404NotFound: the startup scripts uses the hostname command
[16:49] <RoyK> Error404NotFound: it's the same with ifconfig and a lot of other commands - it sets values, but the config files chooses what to be used on boot
[17:21] <jeeves_moss> how do I use mv to move files >1K?
[17:26] <syb> RoyK: This bugreport someone else filed describes my problem exactly - https://bugs.launchpad.net/vmbuilder/+bug/612495
[17:32] <iceflatline> jeeves_moss: I should think you could use the find command along with something like xargs
[17:32] <jeeves_moss> ahh, ok, thanks
[17:34] <jeeves_moss> iceflatline, when using a variable, you first use $<var name> = var, then in your scrip, you just use $<var name> wherever you want the var to go?
[17:38] <hilarie> Hello, I am trying to try out ubuntu server edition, and I am quite new at this stuff, I followed the directions on http://www.webxpert.ro/andrei/2010/09/07/install-webmin-on-ubuntu-server-or-desktop-10-10-maverick-meerka/ to install webmin, and when I try to connect to my Virtual box, either by the hostename outputted from from the install https//:friendlyhostname:1000 or https://<ifconfigIP>:1000, it simply times out
[17:39] <iceflatline> jeeves_moss: it's <varname> = <var>, then you call it in the script use $varname
[17:42] <iceflatline> example: USER=iceflatline, then $USER in the script.
[18:26] <weboide> Is there anybody available to take a quick look at bug 72207? we need to re-enable the PHP-FPM build.
[18:26] <weboide> I meant bug 722007
[19:53] <zerty> hello what is the default ftp server in ubuntu ?
[19:54] <zerty> hello anyone there ?
[19:54] <zerty> hello what is the default ftp server in ubuntu ?
[19:54] <highvoltage> lots of people
[19:54] <highvoltage> asking it more times won't make anyone want to answer more
[19:55] <highvoltage> there's no ftp server installed by default
[19:56] <highvoltage> the ubuntu server guide suggests vsftpd though: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[19:56] <highvoltage> oops, newer version here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[19:57] <zerty> weel i got this error during the installation of vstpd
[19:57] <zerty>  postgresql-8.4
[19:57] <zerty>  postgresql
[19:57] <zerty> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:57] <zerty> what i have to do ?
[19:59] <highvoltage> there should be some more messages a bit higher that lead to the exit code
[20:00] <zerty> just a sec
[20:02] <zerty> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569771/
[20:04] <zerty> lol
[20:04] <zerty> lo
[20:05] <weboide> zerty: first try this to see if any pending issues with apt need to be solved: sudo apt-get install
[20:05] <highvoltage> zerty: it tries to install postgresql, and fails, there should be a log somewhere in /var/log with a postgresql log that might explain why it doesn't start
[20:05] <weboide> highvoltage: dpkg says it's not configured yet in french
[20:06] <highvoltage> zerty: if you're doing it in a chroot environment you'll probably have to mount proc first. if it's on some kind of test machine or VM make sure that networking is up
[20:06] <highvoltage> zerty: indeed, that's because it tries to start postgresql as part of the configuration of it
[20:07] <zerty> give me the right way
[20:07] <weboide> highvoltage: I see I misread
[20:07] <zerty> what i have to do exactly ?
[20:07] <zerty> need one answer
[20:08] <highvoltage> "check the logs and see why postgresql don't start" <- if you only want one answer
[20:08] <zerty> ok
[20:11] <zerty> is it on apache log  ?
[20:13] <weboide> zerty: try looking in, there should be a couple of *.log files /var/log/postgresql/
[20:13] <weboide> zerty: try looking in /var/log/postgresql/ sorry
[20:17] <zerty> this is what i got : 2011-02-20 21:15:55 CET FATAL:  n'a pas pu acc?der au fichier de la cl? priv?e << server.key >> : Permission non accord?e
[20:17] <zerty> what i have to do exactly ?
[20:17] <zerty> 2011-02-20 9:15:55 p.m. CET FATAL: could not access? der file to Cl? priv? e "server.key>>: Permission not agree? e
[20:18] <zerty> i mean where is that key ?
[20:21] <zerty> the problem is since i start to upgrade my sys
[20:21] <zerty> is that really necessary to upgrade system every time ?
[20:23] <weboide> zerty: essaye de faire sudo dpkg-reconfigure postgresql
[20:25] <zerty> ]# dpkg-reconfigure postgresql
[20:25] <zerty> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: postgresql est cassé ou partiellement installé
[20:25] <txwikinger> Can anybody gove me a heads-up on howto configure kvm with ipv6 on ubuntu server?
[20:25] <weboide> zerty: essaye: sudo apt-get install
[20:25] <zerty> configuring kvm what is it means ? txwikinger
[20:26] <txwikinger> zerty: I have ubuntu server running as a host to run VMs
[20:26] <zerty> got the same result as like that : http://paste.ubuntu.com/569771/
[20:26] <txwikinger> I got ipv6 from the datacentre and what to use the VMs with ipv6 as well
[20:26] <zerty> oh you using kvm for your virtual machine ?
[20:27] <txwikinger> zerty:  yes
[20:27] <zerty> why you don't you vbox for the same task ?
[20:27] <zerty> is it easy to manage  ?
[20:27] <zerty> is it easy to manage
[20:28] <txwikinger> well. I use virt-manager
[20:28] <txwikinger> So yes it is easy to manage
[20:28] <weboide> zerty: t'as bien taper juste 'sudo apt-get install' ?
[20:28] <zerty> oui j'obtiens le meme résultat que mon pastebin weboide
[20:28] <zerty> à la fin
[20:29] <zerty>  postgresql-8.4
[20:29] <zerty>  postgresql
[20:29] <zerty> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:29] <zerty> so see on the option txwikinger
[20:29]  * Datz wonders if there is an ubuntu-server-fr
[20:29] <Datz> !fr
[20:29] <Datz> guess not
[20:30] <zerty> why you pack back to home ? ;) Datz
[20:30] <weboide> sorry Datz it was actually easier in fr :)
[20:31] <Datz> pack back home?
[20:31] <zerty> me
[20:31] <Datz> I am home :P
[20:31] <zerty> i m talking about ubuntu-fr
[20:31] <txwikinger> zerty: virt-manager does only do ipv4
[20:31] <zerty> channel
[20:31] <zerty> plz join #kvm txwikinger
[20:32] <txwikinger> thanks zerty
[20:34] <weboide> zerty: try  'sudo adduser postgres ssl-cert' and then try installing the package you wanted
[20:34] <zerty> ok let me check
[20:35] <weboide> zerty: I found this command from bug 382584
[20:39] <weboide> zerty: did that help?
[20:40] <zerty> just checking
[21:10] <mrothhh> anytool to move email from one imap server to another anyone got any sugeesstion
[21:11] <greppy> mrothhh: imapfilter I think can do that.
[21:12] <greppy> or if they are both Maildir, you can just copy over the directory structure, checking usernames and paths.
[21:14] <Amgine_> question: is there a server configuration which might alter using /tmp? Trying to figure out why a user's site, hosted on ubuntu, would not have access to /tmp via php.
[21:17] <jmarsden> Amgine_: check permissions of /tmp and also check any changes made to php.ini that could restrict where PHP is able to work.
 Not sure the user has shell, looking jmarsden.
[21:20] <jmarsden> The user?  Usually PHP web pages will execute as www-data under apache2, not as "user", unless you do extra work to configure things.  Does this issue apply to all web sites on your server, or only one?
[21:23] <Ztripez> is ther any lvm2 ninjas here?
[21:35] <Amgine_> Jmarsden: not my server, someone else's. The issue seems to have been a permissions issue, though I have no clue how the user (not root) was able to chmod 777 /tmp
[21:35] <Amgine_> Must be a very strange host.
[22:05] <qman__> Amgine_, one of my hosts let me accidentally chmod 000 some files with no way to undo
[22:06] <Amgine_> If they are *your* files, yes, but not a system file?
[22:07] <qman__> guess it depends on if the user is in its own VPS or similar, or just a user on a big multiuser setup
[22:10] <Amgine_> Yah, I dunno... I'm not very knowledgeable, and am easily confused.
[22:36] <CensoredBiscuit> Anyone here know anything about mpg123, I installed it then it claimed i didnt have pulseaudio so I installed that and It still wont work
[23:32] <linuxtech> Anyone have an eta on the security updates for mailman on 10.04?
[23:55] <boxybrown> is there a way to cancel a taskset install
[23:55] <boxybrown> it brings up a curses progress bar, and doesn't recognize ctrl-c
[23:59] <twb> boxybrown: in d-i, or after the initial installation has finished and you've rebooted and logged in?


[00:42] <AskUbuntu> Squid Forbidden erro | http://askubuntu.com/q/488680
[07:23] <rvba> bigjools: thanks for looking into it.
[07:24] <jtv> Well done finding the cause of the slowness, bigjools.
[07:24]  * bigjools bows deeply
[07:25] <bigjools> not hard once profiled tbh
[07:25] <rvba> bigjools: the code change is not that complicated; but the diff makes it look so.
[07:25] <jtv> You got profiling working?
[07:25] <bigjools> jtv: yes, seem my email to maas-devel
[07:25] <bigjools> see*
[07:28] <bigjools> rvba: can we do a quick hangout and you can take me through your branch?
[07:28] <rvba> bigjools: sure
[07:29] <bigjools> rvba: just use daily hangout
[07:29] <rvba> k
[07:29] <rvba> allenap: testing your fix from yesterday now: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/MAAS/job/utopic-adt-maas-manual/65/
[08:01] <rvba> allenap: gmb: Test in the CI lab is not finished yet… but we've passed the point where it was failing yesterday so I'm reasonably optimistic allenap's branch is sound.
[08:02] <gmb> rvba: Molto buona!
[08:06] <bigjools> we need to sort this out too https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1315051
[08:11] <allenap> rvba: \o/
[08:11] <allenap> rvba: Thanks for doing that, I really appreciate it.
[08:11] <rvba> allenap: Thank *you* for fixing it!
[08:16] <gmb> allenap: So ISTM that the best dynamic is this: I find broken things, other people fix them.
[08:18] <allenap> Graham "I see broken things” Binns
[08:18] <allenap> gmb: I’m using IPSet.__contains__(an_ip_address). Was the slow code using __contains__(an_ip_network)?
[08:19] <gmb> allenap: No it was is_disjoint(IPSet()…)
[08:19] <gmb> allenap: Could go either way really.
[08:19] <gmb> allenap: But IPRange seems to be far more efficient
[08:19] <gmb> Because I think it’s just doing maths behind the scenes
[08:20] <AskUbuntu> How do I grant access to someone to a MAAS node which is running a a private network? | http://askubuntu.com/q/488768
[08:20] <gmb> Whereas IPSet seems to walk the set.
[08:20] <rvba> allenap: As expected, the test was successful.  Let's get this branch MPed, reviewed and landed please.
[08:21] <rvba> (I'd like to merge trunk and do some more testing of my no-zone-pregeneration branch)
[08:22] <allenap> rvba: Okay. I need to write some tests :)
[08:23]  * gmb runs the tests with a deliberately large network… might need to go and cook a roast at this speed…
[08:25] <gmb> Crumbs, I might actually have killed my VM by testing with an IPv6 /16…
[08:25] <allenap> gmb: That’s going to take an awfully long time to complete. You’ve got time to start a farm and the breed the livestock before you start the roast.
[08:27] <gmb> allenap: Load was 30, dropping like a stone now that I’ve kill -9’d the test runner
[08:29] <gmb> Hah, yes.
[08:29] <gmb> allenap: New code = 7 seconds with a /16.
[08:29] <gmb> Old code … never completed, load 30, moribund VM
[08:30] <allenap> gmb: If we were American I’d do a high-5, but as we’re British we’ll have to make do with a virtual belly barge.
[08:30] <gmb> lol
[08:39] <gmb> allenap, rvba, bigjools: For the love: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/speed-up-clean_ip_ranges/+merge/224766
[08:49]  * gmb -> off to find a power socket.
[09:09] <breakum-binns> Yay, faster test suite is faster.
[09:24] <jtv> \o/
[09:24] <jtv> Maybe we just need the existing code for "do these networks overlap" generalised to network ranges.
[10:26] <g0ldr4k3> hello everyone
[10:28] <g0ldr4k3> bigjools: coming back with about MaaS RC and CC while I'm reading the guide I found this "maas-cluster-controller - controls a group (“cluster”) of nodes including DHCP management." the link is https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html#pkg-install. For that I thought that CC manages the nodes.
[10:29] <g0ldr4k3> bigjools: anyway I've try to install maas-region-controller's package via apt on a clear Ubuntu Svr, but received the same error during the installer.
[10:31] <g0ldr4k3> bigjools: I'd like to separate the service on more Svr
[11:42]  * gmb -> lunch
[12:44] <allenap> gmb, rvba: Do either of you have time for a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/ipv6-tftp-compat/+merge/224805
[12:45] <breakum-binns> allenap: Already on it.
[12:45] <breakum-binns> FFS
[12:45]  * gmb stabs colloquy
[12:45] <allenap> gmb: Thanks!
[12:53] <gmb> allenap: r=me with comments
[12:53] <allenap> gmb: Ta muchly.
[14:51] <rvba> allenap: I see you landed your ipv6-twisted branch but the build is still broken.  This is weird since my test from this morning was successful.
[14:52] <rvba> allenap: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7711494/
[14:53] <allenap> rvba: Ah, that’s interesting. I changed the code to only avoid link-local addresses. ::1:69 is a new thing to me. I wonder if it’s meant to be [::1]:69, i.e. 69 is the port?
[14:54] <allenap> I’ll investigate as soon as I’ve finished reviewing your branch.
[14:55] <rvba> Cool.
[14:56] <rharper> in maas do tag kernel_opts values concatenate when tagging a machine with more than one tag ?
[14:59] <rvba> rharper: No, you can have only one tag with a non-empty kernel_opts field.
[14:59] <rvba> It's probably a bit suboptimal, please file a bug if this matters to you.
[15:03] <allenap> rharper: The first tag, lexicographically, that defined kernel options is used, and these override the global kernel options. I agree this isn’t super-duper.
[15:04] <allenap> s/defined/defines/
[15:08] <rharper> rvba: allenap: ok -- yeah, it seems the last tag applied with kernel_ops wins -- which is OK for now, I just superset my tags, but yes, it would be very good to allow to compose kernel params based on tag concat
[15:09] <rvba> rharper: like allenap said, it's not the last tag that wins.  It's the first one, sorted by name.
[15:10] <rharper> rvba: ah, thanks for the clarification
[15:10] <rharper> it appears last in the list of tags when you look at the node on the ui
[15:10] <rharper> but it also is the first alphab-wise as well
[15:11] <allenap> rharper: It’s probably being sorted in the UI by database ID instead of name, or not sorted at all. That’s a bug :-/
[15:13] <rharper> hehe
[15:14] <rvba> allenap: (re ipv6) yes, ::1 is the loopback address.
[15:14] <allenap> rvba: Is CI running as root? Or is it using authbind to allow port 69? Maybe we just need another authbind rule.
[15:14] <rvba> allenap: I /think/ it's running as the jenkins user.
[15:14] <allenap> matsubara: ^
[15:15] <matsubara> allenap, tests run as root
[15:15] <rvba> Ah, right, inside the VM the tests run as root.
[15:16] <rvba> But the VM itself doesn't run as root on the host machine right?
[15:16] <allenap> matsubara: Is there an IPv6 localhost configured, i.e. ::1 on lo.
[15:16] <allenap> ?
[15:16] <matsubara> rvba, nope, the VM is started as the jenkins user
[15:16] <rvba> Okay.  Makes sense.
[15:17] <rvba> allenap: Why did my first test succeed?  Did you change your code significantly after that test?
[15:17] <matsubara> allenap, I'll need to check that but I don't think so (unless is configured by default)
[15:20] <allenap> rvba: I changed it to exclude link-local addresses, instead of only including all IPv4 and a limited subset of IPv6 addresses. The IPv6 localhost would have been excluded before. I can change it again, but I’m puzzled as to why it’s a problem.
[15:22] <rvba> allenap: yeah, it's probably best if we work out why it's failing.
[15:22] <matsubara> allenap, https://pastebin.canonical.com/112637/
[15:28] <rharper> rvba: allenap: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1335175
[15:29] <rvba> rharper: ta
[15:33] <rharper> I've got a node that when it's started, it does nic renaming (eth0 -> em1) (trusty amd64 on some hp box) -- this is fine for most cases, but when we attempt to start a container on the machine,  it fails because br0 isn't available (it was configured to make br0 out of eth0, which is now em1)
[15:33] <rharper> is this a maas or a juju bug ?
[15:33] <rharper> or both ?
[15:36] <rharper> adding net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0 to the kernel_opts  tag of the node fixes it, but that's where I ran into the bug I just filed as I need other options from another tag
[15:36] <rvba> I see.
[15:38] <blake_r> rharper: it could be a curtin issue as well
[15:38] <blake_r> rharper: curtin could touch /etc/udev.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[15:39] <rharper> blake_r: ok, then I'll file it as a maas bug and we can add juju if needed
[15:49] <rharper> blake_r: bug  https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1335179
[16:06] <allenap> matsubara: Is authbind used in the CI virtual machine?
[16:09] <matsubara> allenap, If that's used by the services installed by the maas packaged, then yes. The CI VM doesn't do anything other than what the package provides
[16:11] <matsubara> allenap, s/packaged/packages/
[16:11] <allenap> matsubara: Ah ha, okay, I’ll look at that then.
[16:12] <matsubara> allenap,     exec /usr/bin/authbind --deep /usr/bin/twistd -n --uid=maas --gid=maas --pidfile=/run/maas-pserv.pid --logfile=/dev/null maas-pserv --config-file=/etc/maas/pserv.yaml
[16:12] <matsubara> allenap, that's from debian/maas-cluster-controller.maas-pserv.upstart
[16:16] <kirkland> can someone help me with a command line "maas" invocation to set the global kernel parameters?
[16:32] <roaksoax> kirkland: maas admin maas set-config name=kernel_opts value="console=ttyS0"
[16:32] <roaksoax> kirkland: maas <user> maas set-config name=kernel_opts value="console=ttyS0"
[16:32] <kirkland> roaksoax: fantastic, thanks
[18:48] <AskUbuntu> When I trey to add new node to MAAS, dose the node need physical internet connection? | http://askubuntu.com/q/488968
[21:02] <AskUbuntu> How Can I set the MAAS Network adaptor to do nat on ubuntu 14.04? | http://askubuntu.com/q/489029


[00:02] <ailo> len-dt: Get better. Feel free to rewrite everything if you want :)
[00:06] <len-dt> ailo, I am sure it will take several rewrites...
[14:42] <len-dt> holstein, heard you (ok saw) talking about mics other channel.
[14:42] <len-dt> interesting.
[14:42] <holstein> len-dt: hehe
[14:42] <holstein> i had talked gear with that cat before
[14:42] <holstein> those mics are awful though
[14:43] <holstein> i have been there
[14:43] <len-dt> Just bought a realatively cheap mic... at2020.
[14:43] <holstein> buying like $50-$70 crap gear
[14:43] <holstein> by the time i have 3 or 4 pieces, i could have just gotten an at2020
[14:43] <holstein> and been happy with it
[14:43] <holstein> not that i have one of those, but i know they are decent
[14:44] <len-dt> sounds not to bad. But anyway. Just for people like that guy... there are three mics the at2020, at 2035, at 2050
[14:44] <holstein> len-dt: i dont think you need to spend several grand necessarily to get a "good" sound
[14:44] <holstein> but, you cant make a dollar out of 15 cents
[14:44] <len-dt> the price range is $100 to about 280
[14:45] <holstein> yeah... sometimes you see that 2020 paired with something
[14:45] <holstein> headphones.. speakers... another mic
[14:45] <holstein> its a good value mic i think
[14:45] <holstein> and durable
[14:45] <holstein> and theres a USB version if memory serves
[14:46] <len-dt> but they are all the same capsule. the difference is that the 2050 has two of them for pattern change. the 2035 has pad and roll off. the 2020 is bare.
[14:46] <holstein> i think a USB mic is too "uni-tasking" for my taste.. but its a cheap way to get in the computer clean
[14:46] <holstein> len-dt: ive used one in the 4000's
[14:47] <len-dt> What I am saying I guess, is that the difference between a $300 dollar single capsule mic and the 2050 might be pretty big. The single capsule mic at that price is probably a lot better.
[14:48] <len-dt> even though they are about the same price.
[14:49] <len-dt> Or perhaps I am saying the cheapest mic in the series is often the best deal ... if used right.
[14:52] <len-dt> holstein, If a fig8 pattern is needed, or your lead vocal is a screamer who can't resist eating the mic... pattern and pad switches might be worth something ;-)
[14:54] <holstein> len-dt: AT makes good stuff too
[14:54] <holstein> good reputation
[14:54] <len-dt> holstein, a USB mic is a bad idea. It locks the computer to one track. It can not be used along side another interface at the same time because of sync issues.
[14:54] <holstein> len-dt: agreed
[14:54] <holstein> but, for that "podcaster" or the person who doesnt have a preamp... might be the most cost effective
[14:56] <len-dt> I heard lots of good stuff about the at2035. There were non in stock though, but I realize the 2020 is the same without the pad and rolloff. I'm not renting out ;-)
[14:56] <holstein> i use a little AT pro35x live often for my bass
[14:56] <holstein> live and recording sometimes
[14:57] <holstein> that was around $100
[14:57] <holstein> and i beat it up on the road too
[14:57] <len-dt> holstein, it does sound nice :-) I am happy with it. It sounds more open than the dynamics I spent $250 on way back.
[14:58] <holstein> sometime, when i asee a good deal, im going to get a pair of the 2020's
[14:58] <holstein> i was going to get a pair, then i saw the rode nt5's on sale and went with them
[14:58] <holstein> i like rode.. and im happy with them
[14:59] <len-dt> pvm 520NTs I think. I was single and had money back then ;-)
[14:59] <holstein> really differnt mics though... i already have a nice large diaphragm condencer i like
[14:59] <holstein> the nt5's fill out my collection a little better
[14:59] <holstein> len-dt: hehe
[15:01] <len-dt> holstein, my wife, who has never used much more than sub sm58 mics... was really impressed with the at2020...
[15:02] <len-dt> shes a singer, i'm a player..
[15:02] <holstein> nie
[15:02] <holstein> nice*
[15:02] <holstein> yeah... the 2020 is not *that* much more than those other crap mics either
[15:02] <len-dt> I paid $100 canadian
[15:02] <holstein> still, that guy wants to get a $10,000 project from free software and a $40 mic
[15:03] <holstein> its just not realistic or practical
[15:03] <holstein> len-dt: i actually linked him/her the 2020 the first time
[15:05] <len-dt> holstein, I looked the mic he wants up. It was $70 or so the one I saw, but it came with a case and a fancy "looking" mic holder, so thge mic must be much cheaper than that. My at2020 is a bare mic.
[15:07] <len-dt> holstein, sometimes the way to learn is to spend money and fail. He may learn something about recording along the way. may find out it is not something hes ready for... it is a lot different than stage work.
[15:07] <holstein> len-dt: im afraid he will just have a sub-par time in linux and get frustrated
[15:08] <len-dt> I found I can record someone else not to bad, but not myself.
[15:08] <holstein> if i have time, i can do OK
[15:08] <len-dt> holstein, I think he will have a sub-par time where ever.
[15:08] <holstein> len-dt: lol
[15:09] <len-dt> I play a lot better now than I did in 1974, hes just starting recording, it takes practice too.
[15:10] <len-dt> holstein, anyway, I should go eat.
[15:10] <holstein> len-dt: right on! ...bon appetite
[16:31] <Len-nb> holstein, ailo about ardour and their policy. I have a suggestion.
[16:32] <Len-nb> our version is ubuntu specific or debian?
[16:32] <ailo> I believe it's debian
[16:32] <ailo> Not sure though
[16:33] <ailo> Len-nb: Do: apt-cache show ardour | grep Maintainer:
[16:33] <ailo> It should say Debian Multimedia Team
[16:33] <ailo> It should say Debian Multimedia Maintainers*
[16:35] <micahg> yeah, we have the Debian version unchange
[16:35] <Len-nb> I wonder if they would be willing to change the name of the *desktop file.
[16:35] <micahg> *unchanged
[16:36] <Len-nb> that way, a user could drop in the stock ardour package if they wanted support on the ardour site and it would not interfere with the one we installed.
[16:42] <ailo> I haven't really followed what the issue was with that
[16:43] <ailo> Len-nb: Have you subscribed to the debian multimedia list(s)?
[16:43] <ailo> You could drop a suggestion on their mail list
[16:44] <Len-nb> ailo, a user who asks for help at ardour who tells them they are running ubuntu, first gets told install the version from the ardour site or we won't talk to you.
[16:45] <ailo> And the same goes for Debian?
[16:45] <Len-nb> Any self compiled version.
[16:47] <Len-nb> The dev wants to know exactly what they are working with, not what some other person might have done to make it work with other libs or add extra features.
[16:47] <Len-nb> It sounds nasty, but I can understand it.
[16:49] <Len-nb> ailo, honestly, any modern machine has the diskspace for a static build. I don't know about memory...
[16:49] <ScottL> len-dt, you can talk to quadrispro when you see him in channel, he's an awesomely awesome debian multimedia mainatiner
[16:50] <Len-nb> ScottL, I will. and I am not even thinking that the debian version has the slightest problem either. We have a people problem...
[16:51] <Len-nb> The best place for a US user of ardour to get help should still be at ardour. But right now it is not.
[16:53] <Len-nb> Making US so that either or will work means that support is better.
[16:56] <Len-nb> Ardour's version installs in it's own directory in /opt already. The only thing that might collide with the debian version is the desktop file... though ardour tends to include version info in theirs.
[17:12] <Len-nb> ailo, micahg do either of you use a virtual box for testing? Have you heard of a bug with the intel HD sound emulation?
[17:13] <Len-nb> there is a user on #ubuntustudio who says ac97 works ok but not HD.
[17:14] <micahg> I used to use that, maybe talk to debfx, he maintains it in Debian I believe
[17:15] <Len-nb> micahg, the user has corrected me... it is a problem with a hardware install. Sorry.
[17:25] <ailo> I use virtualbox sometimes, but I've found it's not reliable for testing installs and a few other things.
[17:26] <ailo> Nice way to try different distros, just to get an inside look
[17:26] <ailo> Not really suitable for multimedia anyway
[17:27] <Len-nb> ailo, it seems the user was mixing up more than one problem. Not a native english speaker or writer. he is running on hardware now.
[23:32] <Len-nb> ailo_, Tried all the stuff on the linuxmusicians web page on my netbook. None of them seemed to help with my xrun/min problem. PCI latency seems to turn itself off. I can see it being set to 64 with dmesg but when I list it they are all 0. So PCIe interfaces
[23:41] <Len-nb> ailo_, before I do anything else, like figure out how to stop and start NM from user space (though I may do that for the fun of it anyway), I will wait till I have tried it with a good USB audio IF to see if it is something with the internal audio chipset.


[09:01] <chesedo> morning all
[12:05] <Langjan> Hi superfly chesedo inetpro paddatrapper smile tumbleweed et al, how is everybody doing?
[12:07] <paddatrapper> Hi Langjan, chesedo
[12:08] <paddatrapper> Langjan: I'm doing well thanks. Just snowed under by work... And you?
[12:09] <Langjan> Fine thanks, also a bit snowed under but keeping up somehow.


[19:52] <davef> Went to a rage room today, 20+ years of IT rage spent in one hour smashing keyboards, monitors and other stuff. Feels good man.
[19:57] <penguin42> a 'rage room' ?
[19:59] <davef> Yeah, it's a room you go to where you can smash things with sledge hammers, crowbars, baseball bats. It's so much fun and so relaxing.
[20:00] <davef> Or I should say, cathartic.
[20:01] <penguin42> they let you into the country to do that?
[20:01] <davef> I'm still in Montreal
[20:01] <penguin42> ah
[20:02] <penguin42> it makes me think about teh Dolman of Elass (sp?)
[20:02] <penguin42> ah, single S


[05:36] <one> What keys does the in kernel keys hold ssl keys or something else?
[05:36] <one> Why is pappy shut down?
[07:39]  * apw yawns
[07:55] <one> Hi apw
[08:33] <one> [D
[08:38] <one> ;5C
[10:19] <ppisati> ogra_: any reason why "link_in_boot = yes" in /etc/kernel-img.conf for ARM?
[10:19] <ppisati> infinity: ^
[10:20] <ogra_> define "for ARM" :P
[10:20] <ogra_> i think we disabled it on the arches that didnt support it
[10:20] <ppisati> ogra_: arm boards and servers (i checked on calxeda) have that variable set that way
[10:21] <apw> ogra_, does our installer/image side for ARM pre-create /etc/kernel-img.conf at all do you remember, i have a feeling it might
[10:21] <ogra_> well, depends how you set them up ... on pandas we always treated the uboot partition separately so it doesnt matter if there is a link in /boot or not ... on ac100 it was the same ... the fastboot partition was not mountable
[10:22] <ogra_> if you actually want to mount a vfat under /boot instead of handling that bit via flash-kernel separately you need to modify that
[10:22] <ogra_> (but we never defaulted to such nonsense)
[10:23] <ogra_> apw, i thought the kernel postinst does it ...
[10:25] <apw> ogra_, it does, but doesn't appear to put the specific values ppisati finds in his
[10:26] <ogra_> hwo did ppisati install than ?
[10:26] <ogra_> *then
[10:26] <ppisati> ogra_: i check an ubuntu-core+manual kernel installaion, an old panda installation and a calxeda server
[10:27] <apw> ppisati, did you find the file in ubuntu-core without the kernel?
[10:27] <apw> if not then it clearly must be us
[10:27] <ogra_> well, whatever creates it needs to be depending on the fact if someone was crazy enough to mount a vfat under /boot ...
[10:28] <ogra_> though the link wont break anyway ... simply because it breaks long before it can create it ... when unpacking the kernel package
[10:28] <ppisati> ogra_: nope, ubuntu-core doesn't have it
[10:28] <ogra_> if flash-kernel is involved the setting is moot anyway btw ... it uses the full version string and wont use a link (unless that changed recently)
[10:28] <ppisati> right
[10:29] <ppisati> i'm playing around with the new uboot
[10:29] <ppisati> and they have two nice fatures:
[10:29] <ppisati> *features
[10:29] <ppisati> 1) they can read file from ext4 and can boot from regular zImage
[10:30] <ppisati> 2) a function that, given a couple of env cars, can detect which dtb this boards needs
[10:30] <ppisati> so, actually 3 features
[10:30] <ppisati> :)
[10:30] <ogra_> nice
[10:30] <ppisati> anyway
[10:30] <ppisati> i was able to put together a uEnv.txt that can exploit all those three
[10:31] <ppisati> and if we can make a symlink (that's where that variable came into play...) to the dtbs directory
[10:31] <ppisati> like:
[10:31] <ppisati> /lib/firmware/$kernel-version/device-tree/blabla -> /dtbs
[10:31] <ppisati> we can:
[10:32] <ppisati> 1) drop flash-kernel as a dependency when installing kernel (since we load the zImage directly)
[10:32] <ppisati> 2) always load the correct and most up to date dtb for the specific board
[10:32] <ppisati> e.g.:
[10:32] <ogra_> right
[10:32] <ogra_> but only for platforms that fully support the new uboot
[10:33] <ppisati> ogra_: yep, talking about arm boards here
[10:33] <ppisati> paste.ubuntu.com/7462048/
[10:33] <ogra_> and for platforms that dont use a dedicated flash partition (that would finally make flash-kernel again what you expect from its name :) )
[10:33] <ppisati> here is the uEnv
[10:34] <ppisati> dedicated flash partition?
[10:34] <ogra_> ppisati, well, there are still plenty arm boards that need/use mtd devices for their booting etc
[10:34] <ppisati> all the boards i have: panda, beagle, beaglebone, exynos5, imx6, etc
[10:34] <ogra_> for these you will still need to use flash-kernel
[10:34] <ppisati> we don't support them
[10:34] <ppisati> so it's not a problem
[10:35] <ppisati> even the exynos i received boot from sd
[10:35] <ppisati> first partition u-boot, etcetc
[10:35] <ppisati> anyway, my main point is that the board can choose which dtb to load
[10:35] <ppisati> using the findfdt() function that it has
[10:36] <ppisati> so i was trying to add a symlink (the /dtbs above)
[10:36] <ppisati> and that's when i notced that x86 do all the symlinks in /
[10:36] <ppisati> while arm does it in /boot
[10:37] <ogra_> right
[10:46] <apw> is it because /boot is separate ?  is /boot separate ?
[10:47] <ppisati> apw: /boot has never been separated, they probably added that option to hanlde that case, but we never separated /boot
[10:48] <apw> not that then
[10:48] <ogra_> but if you use d-i you are allowed to
[12:09] <rtg> apw, what dkms packages are missing for the transition to 3.15 ? Anything particularly important ?
[12:12] <apw> rtg, i think we are still waiting on actual testing of the two graphics ones, ie do they do anything
[12:12] <apw> rtg, otherwise i think the package set was there, but let me double check the testing results
[12:13] <apw> tseliot, did you get a chance to modprobe the graphics stacks yet ?
[12:13] <rtg> apw, ok, I think I can test nvidia at least, perhaps fglrx as well
[12:13] <apw> rtg, ack
[12:16] <rtg> apw, if those drivers basically work, then it feels like its time to introduce 3.15
[12:51] <apw> rtg, yeah i know what you mean, i assume we'll fork 3.16 onto unstable when it comes
[12:52] <rtg> apw, or just drag our feet about uploading much like we've done with 3.15
[12:55] <apw> or that
[13:14] <tseliot> apw: no, I haven't tested those drivers yet
[13:55] <bjf> jsalisbury, can you see if the person that wrote comment #19 on bug 1305522 is willing to bisect?
[13:56] <jsalisbury> bjf, sure
[13:56] <bjf> jsalisbury, thanks
[15:21] <tjaalton> so I need to provide a test kernel for an oem image build, but what version number to use that is newer than the next kernel and such that it builds? tested -26.48foo1 and it failed, now testing -26.48.1 but will it fail too?
[15:31] <apw> tjaalton, -26.48foo1 should work just fine, i use similar shapes often
[15:31] <apw> tjaalton, what was the failure
[15:36] <smagoun> bjf: Hi, I verified bug 1305133 - the fix does what's expected but it's not really complete. There is another related patch upstream but not in our kernel. Rather than fail verification of 1305133, I filed bug 1319457 as a follow-up. 1319457 has a link to the upstream patch we need
[15:38] <tjaalton> apw: II: Checking modules for generic...previous or current modules file missing!  /build/buildd/linux-3.13.0/debian.master/abi/3.13.0-26.48tja1/amd64/generic.modules  /build/buildd/linux-3.13.0/debian.master/abi/3.13.0-26.48/amd64/generic.modules
[15:39] <tjaalton> make: *** [module-check-generic] Error 1
[15:40] <apw> tjaalton, so did you add a new version on the top of the changelog ?
[15:40] <apw> if so you need to update the ABI files in those directories, or what most of us do
[15:40] <apw> is to just change the version of the latest entry rather than making a new one
[15:42] <tjaalton> d/r clean isn't enough?
[15:43] <tjaalton> I added a new entry after 3.13.0-26.48 yes
[15:50] <rtg> tseliot, apw: no joy with nvidia-304 and 3.15 kernel
[15:50] <rtg> does not compile
[15:51] <tseliot> rtg: ok, I'll have a look at it
[16:17] <apw> tjaalton, so best to just change the version of the last one, and then go for it
[16:42] <jsalisbury> bjf, Looks like we have an answer for bug 1305522 in comment #29.  It appears the two HID: rmi: SAUCE patches are what caused the touchscreen to regress.  Reverting them allows the touchscreen to work again.
[16:50] <infinity> ppisati / apw: link_in_boot = yes is the "right" setting for pretty much everyone who doesn't use lilo, IMO.  So, anyone !x86 !ia64, or x86 from the last decade.
[16:50] <infinity> ppisati / apw: The fact that it's probably still the inverse on default x86 installations doesn't mean ARM is wrong (why does anyone care, BTW?)
[16:52] <jsalisbury> rtg, if you have a chance, can you take a look at bug 1319471 ?  I'm not sure if I should ping the HWE folks about this?
[19:21] <lesshaste> hi.. how can you boot into single user mode in 14.04? It seems "sudo telinit 1" doesn't work and nor does adding "single" to "ro quiet splash $vt_handoff
[19:22] <lesshaste> in the grub options