[00:20] <hfp> Speaking of handbooks, is there something similar to the FreeBSD handbook for Ubuntu?
[00:21] <Umeaboy> tldp.org is the only handbook I know, but that's general.
[00:22] <Echo> Hello, how do I do to be able to edit an archive with emacs and not just be in read-only mode?
[00:23] <hotaronohanako> Echo: #emacs
[00:23] <Echo> tank you, but it's not working
[00:23] <Umeaboy> Echo: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/180910/how-do-i-change-read-write-mode-for-a-file-using-emacs
[00:24] <oerheks> hfp, some are in pdf https://help.ubuntu.com/
[00:25] <oerheks> and some startup guide https://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[00:27] <oerheks> https://fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads/ and https://fullcirclemagazine.org/special-editions/
[00:33] <ubuntunoob> hello guys. could use some help with wifi on Ubuntu 18.04
[00:34] <hfp> oerheks: thanks
[00:34] <hfp> How do I make a "cleared" partition with parted?
[00:35] <hfp> It's an option in gparted but I can
[00:35] <hfp> t find how with parted
[00:37] <ubuntunoob> wifi is hard blocked after resuming the laptop from suspend. any ideas? #WIFI
[00:39] <ubuntunoob> \help
[00:39] <hfp> !patience ubuntunoob
[00:40] <hfp> ubuntunoob !patience
[00:40] <hfp> !patience
[00:40] <hfp> There we go
[00:41] <ubuntunoob> My apologies, was framing my question better!
[00:42] <ubuntunoob> clear
[01:12] <ubuntunoob> wifi is hard blocked after resuming the laptop from suspend. Tried most if not all solutions on Ubuntu's Stackexchange page... Laptop is HP ab035tx. WiFi card - RTL 8723BE. Secure boot bisabled in BIOS and in MOK. Tried github drivers and a lot of other methods. Thanks for your time. Any help will be really appreciated!
[01:15] <xamithan> Click the wifi button to turn it on
[01:17] <tomreyn> what does "hard blocked" means and what does "rfkill list" show before and after suspend?
[01:17] <ubuntunoob> after suspend, rfkill list shows hard blocked - yes
[01:18] <oerheks> is this on a encrypted system with encryted swap?
[01:18] <ubuntunoob> @xamithan the aeroplane mode button does not work either
[01:18] <ubuntunoob> no, no encryption enabled. secure boot disabled
[01:18] <xamithan> well hard blocked means it is in the bios or hardware blocking it
[01:18] <oerheks> fn key + wireless perhaps
[01:18] <tomreyn> do you have a wireless specific keyboard combo to switch it on / off?
[01:19] <ubuntunoob> It works fine till the laptop goes into sleep, then goes hard-blocked
[01:20] <ubuntunoob> @tomreyn the airplane mode key does not work in ubuntu. it is f12 key. It works in windows though
[01:21] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: airplane mode is probably not wireless only, but meant to control all kinds of networking (also bluetooth). so i was wondering about a wireless only button / key combo
[01:22] <ubuntunoob> I do not have any such button
[01:22] <duckx0r> Does anyone else have the problem where after resuming a suspended session it brings you to the login screen instead of the unlock screen? And then logging in again just seems to hang the system? It happens to me randomly, like maybe 1 in 15 suspends. It is also something specific to 18.04 because I didn't have this problem at all in 17.10.
[01:22] <erik_m> I just installed an 18.04 server now I want to bind the up and down arrows to bash history. 1) Says 'bind: Not Found' 2) apt install bind returns 'Package 'bind' has no installation candidate'. Any Ideas?
[01:23] <leftyfb> erik_m: by default, in ubuntu, if you're in a terminal and you press the up or down error, it will show you the commands from your history
[01:23] <leftyfb> erik_m: there's no need to bind anything
[01:24] <ubuntunoob> oerheks: nope
[01:24] <erik_m> @leftyb: That is what I though but I am getting scan codes when pressing up or down. Maybe it is an ssh thing
[01:25] <leftyfb> erik_m: shouldn't be
[01:25] <leftyfb> erik_m: what version of ubuntu are you ssh'ing into and what type/version OS are you ssh'ing from and with what client?
[01:25] <xamithan> Are you sure your ctrl or alt keys or something aren't stuck down?
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> xamithan: if that was for me, yes, I am positive no other keys were pressed. I even had a keypress monitoring tool running in terminal
[01:27] <erik_m> @leftyb I am on an Ubuntu Mate 18.04 (terminal) connecting to Ubuntu Server 18.04 (Hosted/vitual)
[01:27] <leftyfb> erik_m: hosted how/where?
[01:28] <erik_m> @xamithan Yes no other keys a locked/pressed
[01:29] <erik_m> @leftyb Rackspace. They call it 'cloud servers' but is a public Open Stack
[01:29] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: you may want to try playing with the module options - especially those related to power save: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/wiki/rtl8723be-options
[01:30] <leftyfb> ericus: can you ssh to the same machine you're on to test if it's a problem with your local client
[01:30] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: i would suggest fwlps=0 swlps=1 for starters
[01:30] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: disabled power save, tried rtlfinger from github
[01:31] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: all three forms of power save then?
[01:31] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: i disabled power management for the card, if that's what you mean
[01:32] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: fwlps swlps and ips are the power save related module options
[01:33] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: i'll go try that now... I'll ping you here with the results
[01:33] <tomreyn> a german language forum i was just looking at suggests to use swenc=1 fwlps=0 ips=0 ant_sel=1
[01:34] <erik_m> @leftyfb no issue when ssh to local or other 18.04 server on lan
[01:41] <erik_m> @leftyfb I think I found something but I will need to test later. I was following this guide https://plusbryan.com/my-first-5-minutes-on-a-server-or-essential-security-for-linux-servers and is calls for useradd instead of adduser. Think that the account that I added is an empty "shell"
[01:42] <xamithan> Just usermod and fix it
[01:43] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: could you please repeat your command?
 ubuntunoob: i would suggest fwlps=0 swlps=1 for starters
 a german language forum i was just looking at suggests to use swenc=1 fwlps=0 ips=0 ant_sel=1
[01:44] <gasull> Where can I find an Ubuntu installation ISO image for a non-graphical installation?
[01:44] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: thank you. One second while I try!
[01:44] <Bashing-om> !minimal | gasull
[01:45] <tomreyn> the latter seems to combine disabling power save with the ant_sel bluetooth co-existence workaround for better performance.
[01:45] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: ^
[01:45] <tomreyn> gasull: one of the server images will also work, you just need to install the "ubuntu-desktop" package afterwards.
[01:46] <tomreyn> you should ideally have an ethernet connection for this, though
[01:56] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: is there any way I can make sure the options are in effect currently?
[01:57] <hfp> Is there a version of top that shows the ARC (ZFS) summary on Linux like on FreeBSD?
[01:57] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: nope, did not work. WiFi still hard blocked after resume from suspend
[01:57] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: systool -v -m rtl8723be
[01:58] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: that's to answer your question. a pity it would not work. return the computer if you can, or replace the wireless chipset / modem / card
[02:00] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: rebooting to get WiFi back. And I've seen issues with other cards that Hp support. Apparently, I can't use any other WiFi card because of some FCC thing
[02:01] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: you might need a patched bios for this, right. hp blacklists hardware ids in bios on some models.
[02:02] <ubuntunoob> Yeah. Any way I can get WiFi working?
[02:03] <tomreyn> well you have it working, until you suspend. so dont suspend, i guess
[02:03] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: Is this a driver or firmware issue? :(
[02:03] <tomreyn> this is a chipset maker doesn't support linux, and buyer didnt check the hardware before they bought issue
[02:05] <ubuntunoob> tomreyn: oh damn. I mean I've had this laptop for long, v want to learn Linux.
[02:05] <ubuntunoob> So there's no solution at all?
[02:05] <oerheks> make it not sleep/hybernate
[02:06] <ubuntunoob> oerheks: but it's a laptop :/ I keep moving around and all... Helps battery life.
[02:06] <xamithan> Shut it down when you aren't using it ?
[02:07] <xamithan> Issues like that is why no one buys HP for linux
[02:07] <oerheks> replace it with an intel minipci card
[02:07] <tomreyn> well thiunkspads can work fine
[02:08] <tomreyn> ubuntunoob: alternatively sell it, buy a different pre-owned one at the same price.
[02:08] <ubuntunoob> xamitham: hmmm.. okay. I got it 2 years back, undergraduate peep... Got interested in Linux, so disk boots... Didn't expect this :/
[02:09] <xamithan> Could always just run windows and use VMs
[02:09] <ubuntunoob> oerheks: how does not have it on their bios hardware, last I checked
[02:10] <ubuntunoob> xamithan: true, but the performance was quite bad. Hence dual boot
[02:11] <xamithan> Its got an i7 and 8gb ram and has bad performance on VMs?  Maybe you didn't configure them right
[02:12] <ubuntunoob> xamithan: I did. 2 processors, 4gb ram allocation, enabled virtualization etc... But that's not the issue. I was wondering if I could get help on the WiFi card hopefully :)
[02:12] <bapa> ubuntunoob: What kind of performance? Graphics, disk, etc. ?
[02:13] <bapa> I heard people say enabling Host I/O cache improved performance a LOT for them in their VM software. I personally turn it off because I don't want to risk VM disc corruption, but there's that to consider.
[02:13] <ubuntunoob> bapa: fairly un-responsive. Takes time for... Tasks
[02:13] <xamithan> I don't think anyone can help ya beyond whats already been said =(,  realtek|ralink are known to have terrible performance and issues
[02:13] <bapa> Also might want to make sure you give your VM all 4 cores.
[02:14] <bapa> WHat OS do you have in the VM?
[02:15] <ubuntunoob> xamithan: damn... That's sad...
[02:16] <ubuntunoob> bapa: I sure appreciate your help regarding that, but currently I'm interested in getting Ubuntu WiFi working in dual boot configuration. To answer that, host: windows 10, guest, Ubuntu 18.04
[02:17] <bapa> Stupid question, but the VM .vmdk file isn't fragmented, right?
[02:17] <ubuntunoob> Nope :)
[02:17] <bapa> for my own curiosity though, are you using VMware of Hyper-V?
[02:18] <bapa> Please tell me Hyper-V.
[02:18] <ubuntunoob> Virtual box
[02:18] <ubuntunoob> ')
[02:18] <bapa> Have you verified VT-x is enabled? And/or checked the BIOS (of your host computer) to make sure it's on?
[02:18] <ubuntunoob> Yeah, yeah
[02:18] <xamithan> virtualbox is like the slowest thing ever
[02:18] <xamithan> even with guest tools installed
[02:19] <ubuntunoob> 😂
[02:19] <bapa> have you checked if the Ubuntu VM *knows* it's being virtualized? (Then again, it's Ubuntu... should work automagically.)
[02:19] <bapa> Btw, sorry for all this noob-tier "advice". I know it's frustrating mang.
[02:20] <ubuntunoob> Thanks for your help guys! I'll look into buying the Intel mini pcie card, hopefully, that'll work!
[02:20] <tomreyn> switch to a different desktop on 18.04 VMs, it'll be a lot faster
[02:20] <ubuntunoob> bapa: it's okay! Yep. Ubuntu knows it's virtualized
[02:20] <tomreyn> good luck
[02:21] <ubuntunoob> Thank you! Have a good day you all!
[02:22] <tomreyn> thanks, you, too
[02:39] <FurretUber> Is there a way to check a connection as metered? I'm using Xubuntu 18.04
[02:50] <xamithan> Don't think so.  All that'd do is disable updates which you can do manually
[02:50] <tomreyn> FurretUber: there is the "restrict background data usage" option
[02:57] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[02:58] <tomreyn> FurretUber: https://i.imgur.com/d63tl4p.png
[03:00] <FurretUber> tomreyn: This is for Ubuntu, but I'm using Xubuntu
[03:02] <tomreyn> hmm right, it doesn't seem like nm-connection-editor offers this option
[03:23] <louiemat> hello all !
[03:23] <louiemat> can I be seen?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> louiemat: Yes.
[03:25] <guest-rdz9di> hello everyone
[03:25] <guest-rdz9di> how are you
[03:27] <louiemat> thank you
[03:46] <tomreyn> FurretUber: so you want "metered=1" in the [connection] section of the interface profile in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[03:49] <tomreyn> this survives edits with nm-connection-editor as long as the profile isnt removed
[03:51] <tomreyn> or use nmcli https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/364927/networkmanager-set-current-connection-of-device-as-metered
[04:27] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[04:38] <Broken-display> Oh I wanna hurt this computer so bad
[04:38] <Broken-display> Ok
[04:38] <Broken-display> So
[04:38] <Broken-display> This will be my third time time trying to type this
[04:39] <Broken-display> I have a laptop running xubuntu 18.04
[04:39] <Broken-display> The built in display is shot
[04:39] <Broken-display> external monitor connected
[04:39] <Broken-display> extended instead of mirror
[04:40] <Broken-display> Display settings dumps on broken display every time instead of on monitor whelly freaking use itre I can actua
[04:40] <Broken-display> oh man, why can't anyone in the linux community program any form of palm rejection
[04:41] <Broken-display> Ok trying yet again
[04:41] <Broken-display> Display settings dumps on broken display every time instead of on monitor where I can actually use it
[04:42] <Broken-display> can ANYONE tell me how I can modify my display settings from terminal or otherwise get the system settings on the working monitor?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> !info arandr | Broken-display
[04:47] <Broken-display> yeah looking into xrandr no
[04:47] <Broken-display> now*
[04:57] <AdamMacbook> Hello, this is a question about elementary os, is that supported in this channel?
[04:57] <AdamMacbook> I think it's an ubuntu derivitive :/
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> AdamMacbook: no, we only support vanilla ubuntu & flavors mate
[04:58] <AdamMacbook> understandable, disregard then :)
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> AdamMacbook: if you install a version from topic, we can help you :p
[04:58]  * AdamMacbook looks at topic
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> AdamMacbook: this channel is 24/7 and very active community
[04:59] <AdamMacbook> topic doesn't state what the official flavors are :/
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> AdamMacbook: you 'could' install an LTS and make it look like elementary?
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | AdamMacbook
[04:59] <oerheks> AdamMacbook, it does.
[04:59] <AdamMacbook> ooh
[04:59] <AdamMacbook> sorry :)
[05:00] <AdamMacbook> I'm about to try like kubuntu on this macbook, elementary isn't digging it much. Mouse stopped working, it won't reboot, etc
[05:00] <AdamMacbook> after installing some light updates
[05:01] <AdamMacbook> Perhaps ubuntu supports these old plastic core2duo macbooks better ^_^
[05:02] <oerheks> sure, go find out.
[05:02] <AdamMacbook> I picked up a 5 pack of these things for like 288 bucks off auction and I'll be damned if I use them on osx ^_^
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> AdamMacbook: ubuntu transforms every computer into something magic
[05:03] <AdamMacbook> indeed
[05:04] <AdamMacbook> I use ubuntu server at work, and elementary on my thinkpad, and kubuntu on my asus gaming laptop
[05:04] <AdamMacbook> only use windows on the massive gaming rig
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | AdamMacbook
[05:05] <AdamMacbook> sorry
[06:16] <__Myst__> Hi, for some reason Ubuntu 16.04 isn't reading my SD card slot?
[06:17] <__Myst__> I'm on a MacBook Pro (late-2011) and I can confirm the SD card slot actually works due to the fact that in macOS I have no issue transfering files in and out of ther
[06:17] <__Myst__> e
[06:19] <ubNew> guys I am not able to see the enable wireless network option in the top right corner
[06:20] <ubNew> any help?
[06:20] <ubNew> I just now restarted the network manager but still I am unable to see the option over there
[06:20] <ubNew> it showed up previously
[06:20] <ubNew> but not now
[06:25] <oerheks> myst that could well be correct, see the mac pages
[06:25] <__Myst__> oerheks: what do you mean?
[06:25] <oerheks> !mac
[06:25] <oerheks> i remember some model, with that issue
[06:26] <oerheks> pro 8,1
[06:27] <__Myst__> that's exactly my model
[06:27] <__Myst__> oerheks: there oesn't seem to be any page for the 8,1?
[06:28] <oerheks> search for ubuntu + mac 8,1 + sdcardreader, tons of posts
[06:29] <oerheks> no fix, as that cardreader is integrated in the wireless, that does not work properly too
[06:30] <oerheks> wireless or ethernet.
[06:31] <__Myst__> wireless works pretty properly?
[06:36] <__Myst__> oerheks: so basically i'm going to have to install propietary drivers if i want this to work or does it just straight up not work at all?
[06:36] <oerheks> again: no.
[06:37] <oerheks> you could have found 10 pages with your problem, linux wide, not just ubuntu
[06:38] <__Myst__> oerheks: i've been googling around a bit, and my lack of a solution led me here
[06:38] <oerheks> there *is* no solution :-(
[06:38] <oerheks> buy a cheap usb cardreader
[06:39] <__Myst__> oerheks: how come there's *no* solution though? if the network card also controls the sd card reader, wouldn't the drivers for the network card allow you to use the sd card? how come that doens't work?
[06:40] <__Myst__> also, i have a usb micro-sd card reader thankfully, but my 3ds uses a "full sized" sd card
[06:40] <__Myst__> it gets  a bit annoying for homebrew
[06:40] <oerheks> reverse engineering didn't work, and apple does not coop.
[06:40] <__Myst__> that's sad
[06:41] <__Myst__> tangently related but what's the best laptop, driver-support wise?
[06:41] <tiggster79> Check out System76
[06:41] <oerheks> !hcl
[06:41] <Lagair> I'm trying to change the hostname on a system. I edit the /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, reboot, and everything is back to where it was.
[06:42] <oerheks> that page has a laptop section, generally HP, Asus, Lenovo ( but some wireless are trash)
[06:43] <__Myst__> I'm kinda scared of Lenovo tbh
[06:44] <oerheks> Lagair,  make sure the names match, not even a space behind it
[06:45] <Lagair> oerheks: But what would cause the files to revert upon reboot. That's just odd.
[06:45] <oerheks> did you edit with sudo?
[06:46] <Lagair> Yep, sudo -i, then edit the files.
[06:46] <oerheks> Then i have no clue
[06:47] <oerheks> no special step after that..
[06:47] <Lagair> And again, it resets /etc/hostname
[06:48] <oerheks> is this ubuntu server 18.04?
[06:48] <Lagair> Yes
[06:48] <oerheks> that has a new instance etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[06:49] <oerheks> you need ot set "preserve_hostname: false TO: preserve_hostname: true" https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[06:49] <oerheks> and *then* the hostname will stay, static
[06:50] <oerheks> sudo hostnamectl set-hostname <markshuttleworthiscute>   # should work too, systemD
[06:50] <Lagair> Where can I find more info on this cloud crap. Seems like they are making things more awkward than necessary.
[06:51] <oerheks> server manual perhaps? https://help.ubuntu.com/
[06:52] <oerheks> oh, and check out netplan
[06:52] <oerheks> https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan -- https://netplan.io/
[06:53] <Lagair> Yeah, I saw that when I was trying to set a static IP. Again, making things more complicated than needed.
[06:59] <snaphelp> hey!
[06:59] <snaphelp> Anyone here know of a good web panel for LXC?
[07:11] <melissa666> https://lxc-webpanel.github.io/
[07:15] <kubast2_> So I tried ubuntu 18.04 iso
[07:15] <kubast2_> Ah wrong channl lel
[07:16] <kubast2_> nouveau in the iso doesn't render gnome fully in try it out mode
[07:16] <kubast2_> Yeh same goes for install mode
[07:20] <FightingFalcon> Which is better > ubuntu or debian?
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> FightingFalcon: we dont take polls here, only ubuntu support
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> kubast2_: systems specs? graphics card chipset?
[07:26] <kubast2_> GT 910 arch linux kernel worked fine(4.17) i5-3470 8GB of ram ; there is only this sorta texture background and mpuse rendering for try it live it stops rendering half way through an effect the mouse also got some line in the middle of it in try it out mode p8h61-m lx3 r2.0 vga and hdmi connected lotuspychje
[07:27] <kubast2_> Half way through desktop login effect*
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> kubast2_: nvidia driver version?
[07:29] <kubast2_> nouveau
[07:29] <kubast2_> It's the install iso idk
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> kubast2_: have you tryed 390?
[07:29] <kubast2_> Ttys are disabled
[07:29] <kubast2_> Stabs lotus
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> kubast2_: ubuntu-drivers list to see
[07:30] <kubast2_> how it's an install media and ttys are disabled
[07:31] <kubast2_> Unless there is some new shortcut for going to tty ,the install medium have a disabled text/console
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> kubast2_: have you tryed !nomodeset?
[07:31] <kubast2_> nope but I just booted up arch it's gonna be my test unit anyway
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !tty | kubast2_
[07:32] <kubast2_> It would break on ubuntu and on arch
[07:32] <kubast2_> doesn't work on install medium
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> we only support ubuntu here kubast2_ not arch
[07:32] <kubast2_> ctrl+alt+FX
[07:32] <kubast2_> Ik
[07:32] <kubast2_> If ctrl+alt+FX worked I probablly wouldn't be here
[07:33] <kubast2_> but yeh regardless I allready flashed the usb with arch ,gonna install it and get compiling
[08:10] <bipul> When we upgrade the system, then how could we remove the orphan packages and unwanted packages which are no more use?
[08:12] <oerheks> if you run update, apt would tell that there are packages to be removed, else apt clean/autoremove
[08:13] <bapa> Anyone here know how well 2016 LTS runs with an Nvidia 560 Ti, under either Nouveau or proprietaries?
[08:13] <bipul> okay thank you oerheks
[08:16] <MrM1st> Hi all
[08:16] <EriC^^> hello
[08:18] <MrM1st> I'm having problems with wayland. Seems mouse clicks stops registering
[08:18] <guilain> hello?
[08:18] <MrM1st> guilain: hi
[08:19] <MrM1st> Anyone else having problems with wayland and mouse clicks?
[08:20] <guilain> my touch pad's physical key does't work
[08:23] <MrM1st> Everything starts out fine here. But suddenly the mouse button just stops responding after a while. And I know it's not a HW-problem. Logging out and changing to "gnome on Xorg" fixes everything...
[08:23] <guilain> yeah
[08:25] <guilain> but my ubuntu is ok ,when i use elementary os based ubuntu ,you can move but you can not click,
[08:25] <MrM1st> guilain: Does it use wayland or xorg?
[08:25] <guilain> if u restart xorg ,it's work
[08:25] <guilain> ps -t tty7
[08:26] <guilain> kill it ,it's work
[08:26] <luke_66> hello
[08:26] <luke_66> anyone here
[08:26] <luke_66> ?
[08:26] <guilain> hi
[08:26] <MrM1st> Seems like the same problem. I bet you're using wayland as well
[08:26] <MrM1st> hi luke
[08:27] <MrM1st> Heading out for lunch... bbl.. I'm having problems with mouse clicks using wayland
[08:27] <guilain> i don't know
[08:28] <guilain> it's ubuntu's driver
[08:28] <luke_66> I'm using ubuntu 18.04 with gnome 3.28. I decided few days ago to install unity as a fallback desktop envirnment (just in case). Unfortunately today I did a reboot and the choice of desktop enviroment at the login screen disappeared, so I can only use unity
[08:28] <bapa> MrM1st: Opposite for me... Gnome apps -- namely the "Videos"/Totem app -- break under X.
[08:28] <bapa> But if I use Wayland, then Chromium breaks...
[08:28] <luke_66> can someone provide help about that?
[08:51] <mar77i> hmm, I have this automated installation script, and I'm passing --option=Dpkg::Options::=--force-confnew to apt-get already, but the script still insists about "What would you like to do about menu.lst?" -- is there a way to pass the answer to that as well?
[08:51] <mar77i> I don't really have a stdin in this case.
[08:54] <matmal01> My XTerm configuration options (Application Cursor Keys and Application Keypad settings on the Ctrl-MiddleClick menu) change when ssh'ing into and logging off from any machine, does anyone know of any reason this might happen?
[08:59] <Marvel> chu: You diddn't ban me
[09:00] <melissa666> Marvel, don't gloat
[09:00] <Marvel> I think...   Mouse clicks suddenly stops working. Using X11 instead, it doesn't happen
[09:18] <newbuntu> Guys I am unable to see the enable wifi option on ubuntu 16.04 machine
[09:21] <Marvel> Because 16.04, that's probably old by now
[09:22] <Marvel> However, newbuntu has it ever worked?
[09:23] <newbuntu> Marvel:  yes it worked previously
[09:23] <newbuntu> Bigzie: ^^
[09:24] <Bigzie> When it stopped working
[09:24] <newbuntu> a couple of days.. I donno what made it to stop working
[09:24] <Bigzie> Did you run updates
[09:25] <newbuntu> hmm yeah I do run updates whenever they pop up
[09:25] <Bigzie> No, did you run updates between the time it worked and last worked?
[09:26] <Bigzie> last not worked sorry
[09:26] <newbuntu> I am not sure Bigzie
[09:26] <Bigzie> If you didn't do any software update between when it worked and now
[09:27] <newbuntu> Bigzie: in case if you need this to respond https://kopy.io/HKpoJ
[09:28] <Bigzie> You might have to consider hardware failure although you did say that is working under X11
[09:28] <melissa666> newbuntu, check rfkill
[09:28] <Bigzie> For one, I was going to ignore helping you because Wayland is not flush out
[09:29] <newbuntu> I will get back
[09:30] <MrM1st> Bigzie: were you writing to newbuntu or me? I'm also having problems with wayland
[09:31] <MrM1st> although not quite sure WHERE in the stack the problem is, as I haven't been able to isolate the behaviour
[09:31] <Bigzie> He left
[09:31] <Bigzie> What's your problem?
[09:32] <MrM1st> Mouse buttons suddenly stops working after a while
[09:32] <MrM1st> Everything seems fine, using alt+tab, alt+f4 to close stuff. However it seems to only happen when using wayland
[09:34] <newbuntu> Guys I just restarted the system but still I am unable to get the wifi option
[09:36] <Bigzie> 05:18 < newbuntu> Guys I am unable to see the enable wifi option on ubuntu 16.04 machine
[09:36] <Bigzie> K
[09:37] <MrM1st> Another topic completely: gnome-terminal doesn't work right together with the gTile gnome3 extension.
[09:38] <Bigzie> MrM1st: I think you should tell the development team your experience
[09:38] <Bigzie> MrM1st: I am not sure this best spot to find out if other people experience the same problem as yours
[09:39] <Bigzie> Now, if you can actually video record the problem that you having, that would move things along much faster
[09:39] <MrM1st> Bigzie: You're right. The gnome-terminal thing might be a bit off-topic :P However I wanted to throw it out there
[09:40] <MrM1st> Bigzie: Video-record that mouse clicks suddenly stops working? The clicks won't show on a video..
[09:40] <Bigzie> I got confused
[09:40] <Bigzie> I was trying to respond to one thing
[09:40] <Bigzie> I see why you asked me
[09:41] <Bigzie> MrM1st: First, address the author of the program
[09:41] <Bigzie> Before you address wayland
[09:42] <Bigzie> It's likely the Author knows about it
[09:44] <MrM1st> Bigzie: I'm trying the wayland channel instead then.
[09:44] <Bigzie> MrM1st: All programs don't respond to key presses?
[09:45] <Bigzie> MrM1st: Because I am pretty sure, one security issue that Wayland was trying to save, is that with X11, every software see key presses
[09:46] <Bigzie> MrM1st: Before you go there and complain, all software?
[09:48] <MrM1st> Bigzie: Yep. Everywhere
[09:50] <Bigzie> MrM1st: Then, what GPU you have?
[09:51] <yusimple> hi
[09:51] <user03> hi
[09:51] <yusimple> i have a question
[09:51] <yusimple> can you help me
[09:51] <yusimple> help
[09:51] <yusimple> help
[09:51] <yusimple> i need help
[09:51] <user03> 1677 user wating for your question
[09:51] <sky_> ?
[09:52] <yusimple> i can't find the update in software desktop
[09:52] <yusimple> help
[09:53] <sky_> why ? how do you do this ?
[09:53] <MrM1st> Bigzie: There's no GPU here. Only the one in the i7 CPU
[09:53] <yusimple> i have install youtube-dl
[09:54] <yusimple> i can't find software in system-setting
[09:54] <yusimple> what i use is ubuntu 1604 desktop
[09:55] <yusimple> which leads to i can't change source
[09:55] <yusimple> can anybody help me
[09:56] <yusimple> can you help me
[09:57] <qwebirc49865> Hi there
[09:57] <qwebirc49865> Need some help with driver issues please
[09:57] <yusimple> can you help me with the problem
[09:57] <Bigzie> MrM1st: So you have intergrated Intel GPU that's built into the CPU
[09:57] <yusimple> yes
[09:58] <qwebirc49865> Just bought a ASUS ROG GX501, but the the Fn keys don't work and the WiFi doesn't work.
[09:58] <qwebirc49865> Also the touchpad
[10:00] <Bigzie> MrM1st: lspci
[10:01] <commania> d
[10:01] <commania> f
[10:01] <commania> ??
[10:01] <commania> hay
[10:02] <qwebirc49865> Help please
[10:04] <MrM1st> Bigzie: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 (rev 02)
[10:05] <Bigzie> MrM1st: Now you know
[10:06] <stevenm_> hey I think my system supports hibernating - but when I turn the system back on again i just get the normal grub bootup menu for a normal startup - ignoring presumably what is stored in swap
[10:06] <stevenm_> is there an extra step i'm missing?
[10:06] <Bigzie> stevenm_: You not dual booting
[10:07] <stevenm_> Bigzie, ?
[10:07] <Bigzie> yes/now
[10:07] <Bigzie> You are not dual booting?
[10:07] <stevenm_> it does dual boot yes
[10:08] <Bigzie> Windows?
[10:08] <stevenm_> unfortunately
[10:08] <Bigzie> That's the problem
[10:08] <stevenm_> and it is the problem, because...
[10:08] <Bigzie> However, with hibernation, just boot as usuage
[10:08] <Bigzie> usual
[10:08] <Bigzie> It won't boot automatically like you expect
[10:09] <stevenm_> no i'm not complaining about the grub menu
[10:09] <stevenm_> i'm saying it doesn't do the resume after picking ubuntu (or letting it time out and itself picking ubuntu)
[10:09] <Bigzie> ahh
[10:09] <Bigzie> Well, the default Kernel command as resume tag
[10:10] <Bigzie> Should be the default
[10:10] <Bigzie> This, take from a grain of salt.. The kernel needs to see where stored image
[10:10] <stevenm_> well i've read GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT needs to be altered to have a resume= added
[10:10] <Bigzie> What Ubuntu version on you on?
[10:11] <stevenm_> 18.04
[10:11] <stevenm_> i've already had to trade the default swapfile for a swap partition to get this far
[10:11] <stevenm_> what are the odds this even work if your using encrypted ext4?
[10:11] <stevenm_> *works
[10:13]  * stevenm_ reads http://blog.pixelastic.com/2017/10/22/hibernating-ubuntu-16-04/
[10:14] <stevenm_> this guy seems to have gone through the same steps :)
[10:15] <Bigzie> stevenm_: I am not expert on Ubuntu
[10:15] <Bigzie> But that shit should be easy for you
[10:16] <Bigzie> So I will concede because, unless it's a laptop, which I don't, nor a reason to investigate
[10:42] <stevenm_> ok forget all the above - i'm re-installing to see if I can get this straight first time around...
[10:42] <stevenm_> ...
[10:42] <stevenm_> if I *want* a swap partition (I want it as I've read a swapfile isn't compatible with hibernation)... but I also *want* encryption... then on the advanced partitioning screen do i make two "physical volume for encryption" entities both with the same password?
[10:43] <stevenm_> as well as an ext2 /boot
[10:45] <stevenm_> or perhaps is this only possible with luks + lvm  -  which i think is how i've seen it done before
[10:49] <stevenm_> because if LVM is the answer then the advanced partitioning screen doesn't even give you options to make lvm physical volumes
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:51] <EriC^^> stevenm_: the ubuntu installer isn't very encryption customizable
[10:51] <EriC^^> if it's just that you dont want a swap file, im doubtful it causes hibernation issues, must have been something else
[10:52] <stevenm_> been doing research into it... apparently it does
[10:52] <stevenm_> i had a swapfile the first time - on a normal install... wouldn't hibernate until i changed to a partition
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> stevenm_: yeah the kernel wants a contiguous section of a block device with direct access for swap/hibernate, found that out the hard way trying to make swapfiles on btrfs.. have to run it through loop because btrfs uses cow so it's not contiguous on disk
[10:54] <stevenm_> right so i can't use the normal 'wizard' like options as that'd erase other partition
[10:54] <stevenm_> *s
[10:54] <stevenm_> the install alongside option wont do encryption
[10:54] <stevenm_> so i'm stuck with the advanced mode that can't handle lvm
[10:55] <stevenm_> if lvm is even the answer... can't i just have a crypt ext4 and a crypt swap?
[10:55] <stevenm_> but that'd mean two passwords i guess
[10:57] <Triffid_Hunter> stevenm_: I haven't bothered with lvm since btrfs was able to do most of that stuff at the filesystem level rather than block level
[11:09] <stevenm_> this is as a result of mega over simplification i think
[11:09] <stevenm_> i want to keep my other partitions, i want encryption, i want (for hibernation) a swap partition... and it just isn't possible using the UI
[11:09] <stevenm_> since i believe that needs lvm and it won't do it
[11:10] <stevenm_> so i'm left wondering if ubuntu desktop still has the old alternate text installer?
[11:10] <stevenm_> because i know that has lvm support in it
[11:10] <stevenm_> it's like i've fallen into a use case no one has thought about
[11:11] <stevenm_> and i don't even like swap partitions
[11:11] <stevenm_> i purposefully haven't been making them in ubuntu for yeeeaaars and now i want hibernation.... i kinda need one ?  eugh
[11:16] <ppf> stevenm_: you can resize an existing partition
[11:17] <stevenm_> ppf, not sure how that comes into this
[11:17] <ppf> you need space, do you not?
[11:17] <ppf> what's it you want to do?
[11:17] <ppf> add a swap partition to your system?
[11:18] <stevenm_> it's all above
[11:18] <ppf> it's wall of text
[11:18] <ppf> summarize please
[11:18] <stevenm_> it's difficult to summarise there are many factors
[11:18] <someone235> Hi, I installed cuda from here: https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&target_distro=Ubuntu&target_version=1710&target_type=deblocal
[11:18] <someone235> and followed the instructions
[11:19] <ppf> do you want to add swap to a running system? do you want a new system?
[11:19] <someone235> but I can't find the cuda binary
[11:19] <stevenm_> ppf, this is a new system
[11:19] <ppf> someone235: 'binary'?
[11:19] <ppf> someone235: what specifically are you looking for
[11:19] <someone235> ppf, where cuda is installed
[11:19] <ppf> stevenm_: the installer let's you partition the disk, including swap
[11:20] <stevenm_> ppf, so?
[11:20] <someone235> ppf, I know that it's usually in /usr/loca/cuda, but I can't find it there
[11:20] <ppf> someone235: which instructions did you follow
[11:20] <stevenm_> ppf, what it does not allow is for the possibility of someone who a) wants to keep 4 existing partitions (windows and all its recovery crud)... but also b) wants encryption but also c) wants a swap partition as thats the only way to get hibernation to work
[11:20] <stevenm_> it's a combination of things
[11:21] <someone235> ppf, ubuntu 17.10 deb (local)
[11:21] <stevenm_> the only way i've seen encrypted swap work is if it is an lvm lv along with the root lv in a pv that is on top of luks
[11:21] <ppf> stevenm_: these are somewhat orthogonal requirements
[11:21] <ppf> ah so you want encrypted swap
[11:22] <Tin_man> stevenm_, you'd be better off just adding a seperate HDD, or SDD and keep everything seperate..
[11:22] <stevenm_> and the advanced partitioning screen doesn't allow for lvm - despite the easy setup screen does do lvm if you pick encryption
[11:22] <ppf> stevenm_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap
[11:22] <stevenm_> ppf, that link helps how?  because i've already been reading it
[11:22] <ppf> on top of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostInstallationEncryption
[11:23] <stevenm_> that 2nd link isn't even the same encryption
[11:24] <someone235> ppf, do you have any experience with cuda?
[11:24] <Bigzie> someone235: Was it a Zip program?
[11:26] <ppf> someone235: dpkg -L cuda-cudart-9-2
[11:26] <ppf> assuming 9-2 is the version
[11:26] <ppf> dpkg -L cuda-cudart-<tab> to be sure
[11:31] <someone235> ppf, I did sudo dpkg -i cuda-repo-ubuntu1710-9-2-local_9.2.88-1_amd64.deb
[11:34] <ppf> someone235: and not the other three steps?
[11:35] <someone235> ppf, I did them all
[11:35] <ppf> dpkg -L cuda-cudart-<tab>
[11:37] <someone235> sec
[12:00] <tobra> What happened to pdfjam in Ubuntu 17.101? 'Unable to locate package pdfjam'
[12:02] <ppf> apparently it got removed
[12:03] <tobra> can I still install it easily?
[12:03] <tobra> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pdfjam
[12:04] <ppf> have to install it manually
[12:04] <tobra> I guess it’s included in 'texlive-extra-utils'
[12:05] <ioria> tobra, yes, https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/all/texlive-extra-utils/filelist
[12:08] <BluesKaj> does pdfjam have a reader or is it an editor ?
[12:08] <tobra> I use it as a command line utility to process pdf's
[12:08] <BluesKaj> process?
[12:09] <tobra> like converting double sided scans to a single page document.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> ok'
[12:10] <tobra> Here’s a little script that becomes a one-liner with pdfjam: https://gist.github.com/antlypls/847095
[12:11] <luda> Hey
[12:11] <luda> Need some help with my ubuntu
[12:11] <luda> There's a problem with my xorg
[12:12] <luda> And the display isn't working
[12:12] <ioria> !details | luda
[12:14] <BluesKaj> I'm using foxitreader because okular won't work on some government pdf docs , foxit appears in the context menu to open music files. Why is beyond me.
[12:15] <luda> _ubottu: The xorg log file said that the Greeter display manager didn't start, screens found but none with valid config
[12:15] <luda> _ubottu: Only ssh access availabel to the system, no internet on the system
[12:15] <ioria> luda, ubuntu version and Desktop in use ?
[12:22] <luda> Xorg.failsafe.log file had the fiollowing
[12:22] <luda> 01FB15ECS285
[12:22] <luda> [    38.758] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to assign any connected display devices to X screen 0.  [    38.758] (EE) NVIDIA(0):     Set AllowEmptyInitialConfiguration if you want the server [    38.758] (EE) NVIDIA(0):     to start anyway [    38.758] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failing initialization of X screen 0 [    38.825] (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" [    38.825] (II) UnloadSubModule: "wfb" [    38.825] (II) UnloadSubModule: "fb" [    38.825] (EE) Sc
[12:24] <luda> I got disconnected from this channel earlier, and the probem was that my display isn't working. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Nvidia 1080*4
[12:24] <luda> Don't have internet connection on it, but I can ssh into it
[12:28] <ioria> luda, we might need to reinstall nvidia drivers, so you need an active connection
[12:31] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to install bionic-desktop-amd64 onto my USB thunb drive with Unetbootin as I used to do with previous Ubuntus, but now it says my target partition (2 GB ext4) was out of space, althought the ISO is just 1.8 GB. do I really have to rearrange my thumb drive partitions?
[12:32] <Sven_vB> target should have been empty, since I freshly created the ext4.
[12:34] <dziadu> hi, I have python 3.4 and python 3.5, wher running python3 the 3.4 is executed, how to change to 3.5? is there any other way than using alias? I wan't to make it system wide? update-alternatives --config python3 doesn't work, I don't see any selection for python there
[12:37] <initrm> hi there. i've got xubuntu 16.04.4 installed on my SSDs (so the standard installation i normally boot from). it's been (booting and) running fine like this for a while. however, booting this system today failed, it got stuck loading the initramfs. i tried the other kernels installed, but the effect was identical - stuck during initrd load. i have now booted from a xubuntu 16.04 installer live usb,a nd inspected the
[12:37] <initrm> initrd, and see it contains nothing but kernel/x86/microcode/
[12:37] <initrm> kernel/x86/microcode/AuthenticAMD.bin actually
[12:38] <initrm> so i guess the amd64-microcode package seems to have caused this.
[12:38] <initrm> i've just run mkinitrd -c -k all from the chrooted 'default' system now, and it creates the same broken initrd's again
[12:38] <dziadu> ok, I found it
[12:39] <initrm> how should i proceed?
[12:39] <ogra_> mkinitrd ? thats definitely not a valid ubuntu thing
[12:39] <ogra_> ubuntu initrd's need to be built by update-initramfs
[12:39] <Sven_vB> seems to be a problem with my ext4. the numbers in df don't add up.
[12:40] <initrm> ogra_,  whoops, i mixed those up, /usr/sbin/update-initramfs is what i ran
[12:40] <ogra_> good ...
[12:41] <initrm> but this doesn't fix the situation ;)
[12:41] <ogra_> the initrd ships *a lot* more than just the microcode (on x86 thats typically tens of megabytes of compressed scripts and drivers)
[12:41] <initrm> well, it should, yes
[12:41] <initrm> just this one doesnt
[12:41] <initrm> which will be why i'm stuck at boot
[12:43] <ogra_> well, if you generate an initrd all the virtual filesystems (/dev, /proc, /sys) needs to be mounted ... if you do it insode a chroot, make sure they are mounted *inside* that chroot too
[12:43] <initrm> ogra_, how would you inspect the contents of an initrd? i used mkdir /tmp/initrd; cd /tmp/initrd; cpio -i </boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-24-generic
[12:43] <initrm> they are
[12:43] <ogra_> to unpack an initrd you will also need to decompress it
[12:44] <initrm> only if its compressed, this one isnt
[12:44] <ogra_> how did you get it to that state ? comoression is a default
[12:44] <ogra_> did you tinker with the system defaults ?
[12:44] <initrm> are you sure? since i didnt change this default
[12:45] <initrm> i dot think i tinkered with system defaults, no. it was a fresh installation based on 16.04.2
[12:45] <initrm> i installed using the classic server installer
[12:45] <ogra_> $ grep COMPRESS /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[12:45] <ogra_> # COMPRESS: [ gzip | bzip2 | lzma | lzop | xz ]
[12:45] <ogra_> COMPRESS=gzip
[12:45] <ogra_> ...
[12:46] <ogra_> yes, i'm sure
[12:46] <Bigzie> I am reading
[12:46] <initrm> hmm, i have the same line there
[12:46] <Bigzie> Please next time post a link
[12:46] <ogra_> then you should have a gzipped initrd
[12:46] <initrm> ogra_, okay, but then "cpio -i </boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-24-generic" would have failed, right?
[12:47] <ogra_> yes, it should have complained
[12:47] <initrm> but it didnt
[12:47] <ogra_> weird
[12:47] <Bigzie> initrm: intrd is compression
[12:47] <leftyfb> initrm: "based on 16.04"? Was it 16.04 or was it 16.04 that someone customized?
[12:47] <initrm> it extracted this one file fine
[12:47] <Bigzie> initrm: You just need to extract that to see the files
[12:48] <initrm> so my guess is that whatever the microcode package adds to the instructions on how to generate the initrd just overwrites everything else
[12:48] <Bigzie> uh
[12:49] <Bigzie> That's not in initd
[12:49] <Bigzie> That's vmlinux
[12:49] <initrm> Bigzie, hmm, well it is in mine
[12:49] <initrm> for early microcode loading, i assume it has to be in initrd?
[12:50] <leftyfb> initrm: can you nswer my question above?
[12:50] <Mustaches> Greetings all! Is this the proper channel to ask for help when we can't fix our own system problems?
[12:50] <geirha> file /boot/initrd.img*  shows only ASCII cpio archives. So apparently update-initramfs doesn't bother compressing them
[12:50] <leftyfb> !ask | Mustaches
[12:50] <initrm> leftyfb, whoops, missed yours. i used the standard xubuntu amd64 server installer, 16.04.2 point release
[12:51] <Mustaches> !patience
[12:51] <initrm> # cat /var/log/installer/media-info ;echo
[12:51] <initrm> Ubuntu-Server 16.04.2 LTS "Xenial Xerus" - Release amd64 (20170215.8)
[12:52] <leftyfb> initrm: when did you install this? 16.04.2 was released last year. We're up to 16.04.4 now
[12:52] <initrm> geirha, thanks for checking. so apparently compressing doesn't work.
[12:52] <initrm> leftyfb, i guess i installed around summer last year
[12:52] <Bigzie> initrm: I am here to help
[12:52] <w4|k3r> I just installed bionic on one of my machines and ma facing certain issues with setting up custom key shortcuts. I am using amixer -D pulse sset Master 5%+ to increase the volume. This works fine in the terminal, but not from the keyboard shortcuts.
[12:52] <Bigzie> I am going to offer whatever expertize I have
[12:52] <leftyfb> initrm: also, xubuntu doesn't have a server installer.
[12:52] <initrm> leftyfb, it's been woprking fine. probably until the amd64-microcode update
[12:53] <initrm> Bigzie, thanks
[12:53] <Bigzie> initrm: What did you do that end up there
[12:53] <Bigzie> initrm: Can explain the steps you made to end what you in right now
[12:54] <Mustaches> Ok, thanks! I have no sound on a clean ubuntu Mate 18.04 install. I've tried the solution with pavucontrol, messing with alsamixer, installing third party drivers, and installing another DE. Nothing seems to help fix the problem.
[12:55] <sa_> Is there anyway to know library files (.so shared object) is part of which ubuntu package?
[12:55] <Bigzie> Mustaches: What steps have you did to end to where you are now
[12:55] <initrm> i only installed updates, and did "update-initramfs -u -k all" once
[12:55] <zetheroo> how can I tell what DE a user is using (via terminal)?
[12:55] <leftyfb> initrm: -25 is the latest kernel. I noticed you are only running -24
[12:56] <JimBuntu> sa_ : dpkg -S /path/to/file
[12:56] <Bigzie> leftyfb: Why did he need to do update-initramfs
[12:58] <Bigzie> Mustaches: It would be great otherwise I can't help you and I am going to move onto someonle who needs more help
[12:58] <Mustaches> Bigzie: I tried to install pavucontrol, messed with all the options there. I installed and ran a driver update from realtech. I force reloaded alsa. I checked alsamixer for muted tracks to ensure that it wasn't just going through the wrong link.
[12:58] <initrm> leftyfb, must be my apt mirrors. i did apt update just some minutes ago and didnt get -25
[12:58] <leftyfb> initrm: ah, it's me. I have proposed enabled. Maybe try that?
[12:59] <thebigj> I am in this architecture and Ubuntu version https://dpaste.de/dkV1/raw
[12:59] <thebigj> There is one script which is using LVM commands like vgremove
[12:59] <Bigzie> Mustaches: Why did you run driver udpate for Realtek?
[13:00] <thebigj> That shell script failed with an error that the command "vgremove" is not found.
[13:00] <Bigzie> Mustaches: It wasn't working before ?
[13:00] <thebigj> Will I have to install any package to use LVM commands?
[13:00] <Mustaches> Bigzie: The sound wasn't working from install.
[13:00] <thebigj> Please let me know if further details are expected.
[13:00] <thebigj> Thanks!
[13:00] <initrm> leftyfb, a good suggestion, but for now i think it's more likely to be related to amd64-microcode. so i'll uninstall it and do "update-initramfs -c -k all" again
[13:00] <Bigzie> Mustaches: lspci
[13:00] <thebigj> Please note I am on aarch64 instance of Scaleway
[13:01] <Bigzie> !pastebin
[13:01] <initrm> leftyfb, for the record, amd64-microcode 3.20180524.1~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is installed
[13:01] <leftyfb> thebigj: lvm2 is the package you need for lvm utils
[13:01] <thebigj> leftyfb: Okay. Let me try. Thanks!
[13:02] <leftyfb> initrm: I have 3.20180524.1~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> from proposed
[13:02] <Bigzie> leftyfb: Does Mustaches need PAVUCOUNTROL
[13:02] <leftyfb> initrm: updated just a couple days ago
[13:02] <Mustaches> Bigzie:        https://pastebin.com/DyHwgUTk
[13:03] <Bigzie> Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 High Definition Audio Controller
[13:03] <Bigzie> Is that HDMI?
[13:03] <initrm> leftyfb, i removed it, and it automatically did "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-24-generic". and this is now a compressed initrd
[13:03] <initrm> # file /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-24-generic
[13:03] <initrm> /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-24-generic: gzip compressed data, last modified: Fri Jul  6 13:01:02 2018, from Unix
[13:04] <Mustaches> That's my graphics card. I don't know why that is showing up on the sound menu.
[13:04] <initrm> whereas
[13:04] <initrm> # file /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-23-generic
[13:04] <initrm> /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-23-generic: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
[13:04] <Bigzie> Is this a Laptop?
[13:05] <initrm> leftyfb, it only updated this one initrd when i purged the package, so the others are still broken
[13:05] <leftyfb> initrm: to be fair, you only need 1 :)
[13:05] <sa_> JimBuntu: Thank you
[13:05] <Mustaches> No, its an old tower.
[13:05] <leftyfb> maybe it only updates the one you're running
[13:05] <initrm> leftyfb, right, i'll also need to make sure this one is not broken now
[13:05] <initrm> leftyfb, i'm sure it only updates the one you're running
[13:05] <Bigzie> Mustaches: Has the sound ever worked?\
[13:06] <thebigj> leftyfb: https://dpaste.de/X4X8/raw I am getting this error
[13:06] <thebigj> leftyfb: I am not sure why it is coming.
[13:06] <Bigzie> Mustaches: I know say this is the first but I need to know if it ever worked
[13:06] <Mustaches> Yeah, I know it worked last time I plugged it in. But that's been a year or so ago.
[13:06] <Bigzie> Because based on your hardware, only Audio device is waht I posted
[13:06] <leftyfb> thebigj: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/199164/error-run-lvm-lvmetad-socket-connect-failed-no-such-file-or-directory-but
[13:07] <Bigzie> Mustaches: You said 16.04
[13:07] <BluesKaj> how to remove foxitreader from KDEInit ? I uninstalled foxit using their uninstaller, but KDEInit still looks for it when trying to open a pdf file ..removed all the other associated files from ~/opt where it installed itself originally
[13:08] <Mustaches> Bigzie: No, its 18.04.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> maybe I should ask in #kde
[13:08] <Mustaches> Bigzie: Does NVIDIA actually make sound cards though? I thought that was an error?
[13:08] <Bigzie> Mustaches: So it worked then it stop working
[13:08] <Bigzie> ?
[13:09] <leftyfb> Mustaches: Nvidia makes the chipsets
[13:09] <Bigzie> I am sorry
[13:10] <Bigzie> The linux kernel ALSA, what Ubuntu and mose popular distro choose
[13:10] <Bigzie> Pretty much just work
[13:10] <Mustaches> Yeah, it worked on Arch linux and windows. The arch was too old to update so it broke from liberal use of forced updates. So I installed ubuntu mate 18.04 to try to get by that.
[13:10] <thebigj> leftyfb: I did suggested ways in the post. Still getting the error. I also think I am making some mistake in starting the service.
[13:10] <sa_> When I’m running the executable a.out I’m getting  “/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by a.out)”, how to solve this?
[13:10] <thebigj> https://dpaste.de/OMON/raw This is the log when I installed the lvm2 package.
[13:10] <thebigj> leftyfb: ^^^
[13:12] <Bigzie> Mustaches: I am not a ALSA guy
[13:12] <leftyfb> thebigj: you have bigger problems than managing lvm.
[13:12] <initrm> leftyfb, could you check the changelog for the amd64-microcode package you have from -proposed for a bugfix regarding how it adds to the initrd?
[13:12] <Bigzie> i know a lot developers try to make detection very easy and just work
[13:13] <Bigzie> I don't know what Ubuntu is doing, I assume is build flags
[13:13] <Mustaches> Bigzie: Thanks for your help anyway.  I've never had problems with ubuntu sound before, it's usually pretty good to build it automatically.
[13:14] <Bigzie> But that's speculation because Ubuntu tries be capatabile on most hardware
[13:14] <leftyfb> initrm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vVGrbH8hxh/
[13:16] <Bigzie> Mustaches: It should just work.. Maybe pulse audio doesn't see it ?
[13:16] <Bigzie> Mustaches: `have you did alsa test?
[13:17] <initrm> thanks lefty, sounds like this might fix it
[13:18] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[13:18] <Mustaches> Bugzie: no, how do I do the alsa test?
[13:19] <Bugzie> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/alsa-utils
[13:19] <Bugzie> Learn
[13:20] <Mustaches> Ok, I'll go try this. Thanks! :)
[13:20] <Bugzie> I hope next time you help other people
[13:23] <uxbal> hey guys
[13:23] <uxbal> how much space would you give to root on a fresh install on a 256gb drive
[13:24] <Bugzie> 20gb
[13:25] <Bugzie> your home is where it's going to take the mose space
[13:26] <Bugzie> Hoever, 20GB, if you plan to install a lot of software
[13:26] <Bugzie> Increase it to 40GB
[13:27] <JimBuntu> Of course, that's only if not defaulting to /home being within /, right? I mean otherwise, why would you ever not allot the max... i.e. 25gb - swap - boot
[13:27] <JimBuntu> s/25gb/256gb
[13:28] <Bugzie> JimBuntu: You can have swap file like me
[13:28] <Bugzie> on SSD
[13:29] <Bugzie> JimBuntu: /home is where most of the data is going to be
[13:29] <JimBuntu> Bugzie, yuk, a file... that I have to worry about not backing up/etc... with no known speed boost. no thanks. It IS an option though.
[13:29] <leftyfb> uxbal: I would give all of it
[13:29] <JimBuntu> Bugzie, and by default, last I checked... /home lives in /
[13:29] <adriangranpene> hola
[13:30] <uxbal> i want to have / and /home separate
[13:30] <leftyfb> uxbal: why?
[13:30] <Bugzie> So
[13:30] <Bugzie> He might change hist mine
[13:30] <Bugzie> Same here
[13:30] <adriangranpene> ok
[13:30] <adriangranpene> hi
[13:30] <JimBuntu> Yeah, if isolating them to different partitions (probably for backup purposes)
[13:31] <adriangranpene> where are u from?
[13:31] <Bugzie> I have 20GB Linux, with 10GB /home
[13:31] <leftyfb> adriangranpene: This is a support channel.   The recent upgrade of xorg has broken dual monitor setup completely. Namely, the system is unusable: after login even gnome-terminal causes random rectangles (of the colour matching the xterm's background colour) to appear on either of the monitors
[14:10] <Tigran> I meant 16.04.4. I am contemplating upgrade to 18.04.4 (I assume this xorg breakage is an "incentive" to upgrade)
[14:10] <jarnos> Hello! Are there any meta kernels in any Ubuntu release that depends on an linux-image-unsigned kernel?
[14:11] <Tigran> fortunately, I had a backup, so I reversed all that xorg stuff and right now have a usable (but a frozen non-upgradable 16.04.4 system). Any ideas? I can't log it as a bug because ubuntu-bug command requires apport package and I don't install bloatware on my system.
[14:12] <Tigran> my system has a very plain i915, nothing fancy.
[14:12] <kmod> I can't help you recover from a terrible experience
[14:12] <kmod> hh
[14:13] <blackflow> huhu +r ... tough times.
[14:13]  * genii wanders back to work
[14:14] <Tigran> is 16.04 still maintained? I am surprised that nobody tested a dual monitor setup. Maybe it is specific to one monitor being connected via VGA port and another via DVI.
[14:14] <JimBuntu> It is still maintained
[14:14] <Tigran> and, needless to say, it worked all these years (since 16.04 release) on this same configuration without any issues until this upgrade
[14:14] <blackflow> Tigran: it'd be great if you could isolate which package upgrade exactly is the cause. or is it just xorg?
[14:15] <Tigran> well, the /var/log/apt/history.log contains this chunk:
[14:15] <blackflow> !pastebin
[14:16] <Tigran> Here is the link to the chunk: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5cf8hq6JQK/
[14:17] <Tigran> There are libegl1-mesa libraries there as well, so maybe it is not xorg. Xorg was just a natural thing to blame in this situation.
[14:19] <blackflow> Tigran: well, if you used the apport tool and filed a bug report, there'd be details for someone to look at those and maybe help.
[14:20] <Tigran> blackflow: thank you, but is there no way to file a bug report manually via launchpad? I think it was possible in the past?
[14:21] <Tigran> the only problem is, I am not sure which package to point to.
[14:21] <blackflow> Tigran: there is, but you'd then have to collect the logs and attach them yourself manually.
[14:21] <Tigran> blackflow: yes, that is fine with me.
[14:22] <blackflow> if you're not sure, you could report it against xorg, it can be reassigned once more detail is known.
[14:23] <blackflow> Tigran: meanwhile, any errors wrt graphics, display, intel, gnome or xorg, logged in the journal?
[14:24] <Tigran> I logged in to Ubuntu (it even shows 1 bug reported by me), but I don't see the option to create a new bug report
[14:24] <Tigran> blackflow: no, there were no errors, but let me check again...
[14:24] <blackflow> Tigran: I'd look into xorg log  /var/log/Xorg.0.log too, for any (EE) entries specifically
[14:25] <Tigran> blackflow: yes, that's the first place I would look. I am looking at it now and see nothing special. I'll compare it to the current (working) Xorg.0.log
[14:26] <Tigran> oh dear, practically every line is different because of different probing, timings etc
[14:26] <blackflow> Tigran: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[14:26] <Tigran> but no errors or warnings even.
[14:27] <Tigran> blackflow: thank you, brother, that link worked! :)
[14:27] <blackflow> Tigran: it's listed under "Filing Bugs Manually" here  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[14:29] <blackflow> Anyway, this could be one of those glitches where no error is logged. Eg, around the time of 16.04 and 16.10, gnome had this glitch with artifacts around window borders with nvidia drivers.
[14:29] <blackflow> Tigran: which kernel are you using there?
[14:29] <Tigran> blackflow: .15.0-24-generic #26~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 15 14:35:08 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:29] <Tigran> I meant 4.15.0-24-generic #26~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 15 14:35:08 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:30] <Tigran> but I booted with my own compiled 4.17.1 and the behaviour is exactly the same.
[14:36] <Rainyaviel> So jenni left
[14:37] <Rainyaviel> So jenni can't ban me
[14:42] <Tigran> blackflow: I have created it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1780449
[14:43] <Tigran> blackflow: thank you for your help.
[14:44] <Tigran> blackflow: I will explore the possibility of upgrade to 18.04 but usually it is a big hassle as I have to check if all the software I use is still working fine.
[14:45] <blackflow> great :)
[14:45] <jocic> Hey guys, I was wondering if it's possible for me to up-scale my screen resolution to 4k (on a 1080p monitor) so I can make 4k screencasts?
[14:46] <jocic> I'm aware that Nvidia's dynamic super resolution isn't supported, but you know.
[14:47] <blackflow> jocic: you can't go 4k on a non-4k monitor
[14:47] <jocic> blackflow: bah, so I have to invest 300$ and get a 4k monitor. :(
[14:48] <genii> You can actually set any arbitrary resolution larger than your actual one, but you will only ever see a portion of it on your actual screen, it will scroll when you hit a screen edge
[14:48] <Tigran> jocic: indeed, you can't do that, but perhaps you can capture it via ffmpeg as FHD and then resample it to 4k?
[14:49] <tonyyarusso> jocic: I have no idea how to do it, but one *maybe* tactic I could think of would be somehow convincing your system that you have a *second* monitor attached, and *that* one is 4k, and mirror the content.  If you pushed 4k to your actual monitor I'd guess it would either be just black or cropped like genii said, so you couldn't actually work, but you might be able to have 4k on the phantom
[14:49] <tonyyarusso> monitor and downsample it to your real one to work?
[14:49] <jocic> I tried executing the following "xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --scale 4x4" and it kind of works but as you said - only a portion of the screen is visible.
[14:50] <jocic> tonyyarusso: it would require some coding, but it may actually work.
[14:54] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[14:55] <leftyfb> algid: compiz has this feature. Not sure if that's still a thing in 18.04
[14:59] <_KaszpiR_> algid see --geometry ?
[15:07] <timeless> can someone point me to the proper way that vendors should handle package versions so that a user can migrate from xenial to artful/bionic? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CI5o26dm/
[15:08] <leftyfb> timeless: that package/repo should be removed before upgrading. Then reinstalled
[15:09] <timeless> leftyfb: but, couldn't the vendor just do something so that an upgrade could happen naturally?
[15:09] <leftyfb> timeless: yeah, include their packages in the official ubuntu repo's
[15:10] <blackflow> or even better, provide a snap!
[15:10] <timeless> right now the official repo has 3.0.x from debian...
[15:11] <tomeaton17> 11:11
[15:11] <tomeaton17> ffs my damn client
[15:13] <Umeaboy> Wow! I managed to get a crash with the stable version of Firefox in Ubuntu 18.04.
[15:13] <Umeaboy> I even got a backtrace.
[15:13] <Umeaboy> https://hastebin.com/bebuxupiso.go
[15:13] <compdoc> I heard there was a bug in firefox recently
[15:14] <Umeaboy> I get high cpu usage every now and then.
[15:14] <blackflow> Umeaboy: yeah, same here (cpu)
[15:15] <blackflow> Umeaboy: do you use a ton of extensions you can blame for the crash?
[15:15] <Umeaboy> Just 3.
[15:15] <Umeaboy> 59.0 works just fine.
[15:16] <Umeaboy> Adding sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next to see if the problem is solved upstream.
[15:16] <timeless> Umeaboy: fwiw, you're crashing in nss (the crypto library)
[15:17] <timeless> it would be vaguely helpful to know what the crash signal was, and to have a sense of what the memory and instruction looked like
[15:17] <brx_> what software do youtube debate channels use?
[15:17] <brx_> for example they have like split screen with the 2 debators in a square on the screen
[15:18] <Umeaboy> That's created on their side of the screen I think.
[15:18] <Umeaboy> Youtube just broadcasts it.
[15:18] <brx_> i know
[15:18] <brx_> just wondering what they use
[15:18] <brx_> i think they build the video and then broadcast it to yt with OBS
[15:18] <brx_> so its the step prior to obs that im interested in
[15:18] <Umeaboy> Open Build System?
[15:18] <Umeaboy> Wow!
[15:18] <brx_> no
[15:19] <brx_> its erm
[15:19] <JimBuntu> brx_, could be a variety of software... from the commandline, gstreamer can do this, for example.
[15:19] <brx_> "open broadcast software"
[15:19] <timeless> (also, you should be able to figure out what server you're talking to -- lsof would work, although you can puzzle it out from the variables)
[15:19] <Umeaboy> I seem to get high cpu usage on pages with a lot of clips.
[15:19] <brx_> JimBuntu, can gstreamer actually do the processing, i.e dividing up the screen and watermark etc
[15:19] <Umeaboy> If I just normally browse the web everything is fine.
[15:21] <JimBuntu> brx_, it sure can
[15:21] <Umeaboy> timeless: Here's what's before I ran bt full: https://hastebin.com/oyokuhuzag.go
[15:21] <Umeaboy> When the crash happened.
[15:21] <Umeaboy> Does that help?
[15:22] <timeless> Umeaboy: hmm...
[15:22] <timeless> that's what i was looking for
[15:22] <JimBuntu> brx_, You may also want to check out webcamStudio
[15:22] <timeless> but, um... i wouldn't expect sigpipe to be fatal
[15:22] <timeless> (i mean, it can be, but i would expect firefox/nss to not treat it that way)
[15:22] <brx_> thanks JimBuntu
[15:23] <Umeaboy> I wish that every distro would have like a seperate iso to use with newer computers to gather information to the developers so that they know what hardware to write the system for.
[15:23] <Umeaboy> Just like Mandriva used to have a form in the installer.
[15:23] <Umeaboy> With that, you sent in everything that happened during the installation, good or bad.
[15:24] <Umeaboy> I want to take a step further though.
[15:24] <Umeaboy> To have tests made, to check what settings work and what doesn't.
[15:24] <programings> hi, anybody having problems with incorrectly displayed icons in mate-panel after the last mesa update on Ubuntu with Mate desktop?
[15:25] <Umeaboy> For instance..... I couldn't boot the installation for 18.04, but 17.10 worked just fine
[15:26] <Tigran> Umeaboy: I am preparing a usb boot disk with 18.04, we'll see if it boots soon...
[15:27] <timeless> Umeaboy: did you attach a debugger because something was going wrong?
[15:27] <timeless> or did it crash and offer to attach a debugger when it crashed?
[15:28] <timeless> sometimes (often) people will have a crash, and then try running w/ a debugger, and not realize that they need to `continue` past certain signals (which are in fact handled by the program)
[15:30] <Umeaboy> I ran firefox --debug and it offered me to use gdb.
[15:30] <timeless> ok, let's assume when you get `sigpipe` that you haven't hit the crash, just use `c`
[15:32] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmm. Upgrading to the newer Firefox version disabled all my addons.
[15:43] <kunji> My time is a few minutes out of sync on my host.  systemd-timesyncd fails with: ConditionFileIsExecutable=!/usr/sbin/VBoxService was not met   So I think that it assumes the VBoxService will handle the time sync.  I can't seem to figure out how to make the host time sync with an NTP server using VBoxService.... and it has broken it for timesyncd (which is what timedatectl uses (so I have Network time on: yes, but NTP synchronized: no when running sudo timedatec
[15:48] <Angrygermankids> Can I have some help with my dummy output at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395710
[16:01] <kunji> Well... I temporarily remove the executable bit from /usr/sbin/VBoxService , restarted the timesyncd service (so time synced), then added the bit again, but it isn't a permanent solution as time will eventually drift again.  I'm leaving the IRC chat for now though.
[16:10] <NoCode> Would "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install ubuntu-desktop" install a minimal Gnome3 installation
[16:12] <blackflow> NoCode: I think so yes
[16:12] <compdoc> the new installer has a minimal option
[16:12] <blackflow> NoCode: at the very least gnome-shell and gdm3 are its dependencies
[16:17] <Angrygermankids> About my problem with sound
[16:19] <Angrygermankids> Why aren't you listening
[16:19] <compdoc> no one seems to know how to fix it
[16:20] <Angrygermankids> If you need more information on my problem I'll give it to you
[16:20] <compdoc> I know there are often several sound cards to choose from in the gui, and you have to test each one to get it working, sometimes
[16:22] <Angrygermankids> Theres only dummy output in the gui
[16:22] <compdoc> then the driver is not likely loaded
[16:23] <Angrygermankids> How do I load the driver then
[16:23] <leftyfb> Angrygermankids: try running the "drivers" utility and see if there's a sound driver that you can pick from
[16:23] <compdoc> be sure sound is enabled in the bios too
[16:24] <Angrygermankids> Is it in software and updates
[16:24] <leftyfb> "additional drivers" tab
[16:24] <Angrygermankids> no drivers
[16:26] <compdoc> the sound card is listed in lspci, etc?
[16:27] <Angrygermankids> https://pastebin.com/mYL2im55
[16:27] <Umeaboy> timeless: The problem seems to be fix upstream.
[16:27] <Umeaboy> fixed
[16:30] <compdoc> Angrygermankids, do you use hdmi?
[16:30] <Angrygermankids> No hdmi
[16:34] <compdoc> Angrygermankids, says hdmi in your pastebin. maybe change your bios options. disable sound over hdmi, since you dont use it
[16:36] <Angrygermankids> My motherboarrd is M4A87TD/USB3
[16:37] <leftyfb> compdoc: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[16:37] <leftyfb> it also says that
[16:37] <compdoc> ah, I looked but missed that
[16:38] <leftyfb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[16:38] <leftyfb> it's old, but worth a try : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1088978&p=6878453#post6878453
[16:43] <Angrygermankids_> No dice didn't work
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
 it's old, but worth a try : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1088978&p=6878453#post6878453
[16:44] <compdoc> Angry kid  ^
[16:45] <Angrygermankids_> DId you hear me
[16:48] <Angrygermankids_> If you didn't  if didn't work
[16:50] <Tigran> I have tried Ubuntu 18.04 (after 16.04) and I can't understand how to use workspaces on the _second_ monitor. On the first monitor (where "Activities" is shown in the top left corner) they work fine.
[16:51] <Tigran> looks like workspaces with multiple monitors don't work in Ubuntu 18.04, according to this: https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel/issues/35
[16:52] <Tigran> when I switch between workspaces the second monitor keeps showing the same thing.
[16:52] <Angrygermankids_> There's still no sound
[16:52] <Sven_vB> which unionfs do I need for bionic? (trying to install bionic desktop amd64 and stuck at "/cow format specified as … no support found")
[16:52] <kubast2_> How can I use sysrq?
[16:53] <kubast2_> tried alt+prntscrn r and alt+prntscrn+r
[16:53] <kubast2_> Wait
[16:53] <kubast2_> Am I actually retart
[16:54] <kubast2_> Doesn't work with b
[16:54] <kubast2_> Yeh
[16:54] <Sven_vB> kubast2_, is it a notebook? in that case you might need a function key. also is the magic sysrq enabled at all?
[16:54] <kubast2_> Desktop
[16:54] <kubast2_> idk
[16:54] <kubast2_> How to enable it even or check foor it
[16:54] <Sven_vB> last time I checked it was disybled by default
[16:54] <kubast2_> ugh
[16:54] <Sven_vB> lemme check
[16:54] <Sven_vB> yeah I think it had security risks, therefor disabled
[16:55] <Sven_vB>   augeas { "/files/etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf": changes => [    "set 'kernel.sysrq' 1",    ] }
[16:56] <Angrygermankids_> What's taking so long to respond
[16:56] <kubast2_> I need it to save logs to disk properlly
[16:56] <kubast2_> So yeh
[16:56] <Sven_vB> kubast2_, so you need fsync?
[16:57] <kubast2_> Yeh sync and then reboot possiblly
[16:58] <Sven_vB> I think I read somewhere the kernel does that every few (10?) minutes, so if it's disabled just wait longer than then you should be safe. you can use the wait time to check whether my heresay is real. :)
[16:58] <ducasse> Angrygermankids_: we're all volunteers, there's no guaranteed response time. if you don't get a response, wait 15-20 minutes and ask again
[16:58] <leftyfb> kubast2_: it's CTRL+ALT+PRNT+X   only S U and B work now.
[17:01] <scrote> hello.
[17:05] <scrote> How do I add the following repo?  I need legacy postgres for my application. http://codepad.org/W0dQLk78
[17:06] <scrote> http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/dists/
[17:08] <blackflow> scrote: there's no 9.1 for Bionic
[17:08] <blackflow> scrote: why do you need 9.1 tho'? What's so specific about it that, say, 9.6, can't solve?
[17:11] <scrote> blackflow: I'll try 9.6 how do I get it?
[17:11] <blackflow> scrote: from that same pgdg repo you installed. it's jsut that 9.1 is long gone and it's unsupported upstream.
[17:12] <scrote> E: Package 'postgresql-9.6' has no installation candidate
[17:13] <blackflow> scrote: search for it with apt, or try tab autocomplete, I don't know the upstream package name by heart.    but then, is there any reason why you can't use Bionic's postgres 10?
[17:14] <POJO> hello, so I've been reading that there's no longer Amazon botnet included in Ubuntu, is that true?
[17:15] <blackflow> POJO: was there ever?
[17:15] <scrote> blackflow: because my application uses legacy sqlalchemy
[17:15] <blackflow> scrote: so? is there anything in newer pgsql that is backwards incompatible in that regard?
[17:15] <POJO> blackflow: aren't Amazon components still coming bundled with the system?
[17:16] <blackflow> POJO: not sure what Amazon components or "botnets" you're talking about.
[17:16] <scrote> blackflow: tons of stuff that no longer exists.
[17:16] <blackflow> scrote: can you give one example?
[17:17] <Angrygermankids> Any fixes I haven't tried yet
[17:17] <Angrygermankids> The final one I tried was laptop
[17:17] <Angrygermankids> As in model laptop
[17:18] <Angrygermankids> Fixes for sound
[17:20] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[17:21] <Angrygermankids> What's taking so long to orespond
[17:21] <scrote> What's the point of adding a foo.list to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[17:22] <blackflow> scrote: that's how you add new repos. you could technically just add them to /etc/apt/sources.list but this way it's nicely modular, in its own file. plus, packages can drop and maintain files there.
[17:22] <Angrygermankids> Is it because you need more information from me
[17:23] <blackflow> !patience | Angrygermankids
[17:26] <phablet> سورةرحمان
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: try running "pactl load-module module-detect"
[17:30] <Angrygermankids> Failure: Module initialization failed
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: do you have any sound now?
[17:32] <Angrygermankids> No
[17:32] <scrote> I have added a repository, and get a gpg error.  How do I solve this gpg error? http://codepad.org/XEc3S7AI
[17:33] <toto_> toto
[17:33] <Exterminador> hello guys. is there a way to shrink a partition via command line? I know the partition is /dev/sda7 and it's currently 194.5GiB and i want to shrink it to 80GiB
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> we don't support 3rd party repos scrote ... you will need to contact the maintainer directly
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: There is no way to shrink a partition on a live system. You need gparted booted from a live CD to shrink partitions
[17:35] <Exterminador> alright. i can do that
[17:37] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: you mean there's no way to shrink a mounted fs... which means no online shrinkage of root, but those that can be umounted are shrinkable
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: I'm taking the path of least risk
[17:38] <blackflow> not sure how doing it from the livecd is lesser risk
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: If you have a different suggestion, then please step forward and offer it to the requestor...
[17:40] <Exterminador> no problems. I can do that as I need to create the partition and install the OS. so I can do 2 in 1
[17:40] <blackflow> I thought I did. if the fs can be unmounted, then it could be shrinked.
[17:40] <blackflow> you can't umount live root anyway, so it kinda blocks itself.
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: If the computer is brand new, it's possible the audio is configured differently than previously encountered and may take time for the drivers to catch up. That particular audio chipset appears to be the source of many issues.
[17:43] <Angrygermankids> Mine is not new my motherboard is M4A87TD/USB3
[17:44] <gabboman> Hi, I think this is the correct place to ask
[17:44] <gabboman> where can I get ubuntu theme files?
[17:44] <gabboman> im interested in using it on another distro
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: I would suggest updating your post on askubuntu, with system specifications, what action you last performed prior to experiencing the issue, and what you have tried so far. You need to provide a lot more information upfront for anyone to help you.
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: If you upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, there is no official upgrade yet, and forcing it will leave the system in a buggy state.
[17:47] <brygphilomena> Does anyone have wireless drivers for the pixelbook?
[17:48] <Angrygermankids> what information should I put in my post
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: what I just said is a start, include the lspci output as well, motherboard manufacture and model
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> gabboman: If you are seeking a way to extract the installed ubuntu themes, there is no known method. Themes are distributed through sites like gnome-look.org and others. If this is for a different distro, try searching google for your distro "Ubuntu Theme"
[17:51] <Angrygermankids> is this enough information https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395710
[17:52] <gabboman> thanks
[17:52] <gabboman> I think im going to look for the files in a iso in /usr/share
[17:52] <compdoc> Angrygermankids, can you boot your system with live ubuntu desktop from a usb/dvd, and see if the sound works?
[17:53] <Angrygermankids> Indeed it will work on DVD
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: Did you upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[17:54] <compdoc> Angrygermankids, how long ago did you try?
[17:55] <Angrygermankids> I did not upgrade
[18:09] <RDaneel01ivaw> hello everyone, I'm having some difficulties with mounting my internal ntfs drives, wondering if anyone could help. I've been through many help topics on the ubuntu support forums, and many suggested to edit the fstab, which I've done, and added the proper device, but the drives are mounting read only. When I try to change the permissions by right clicking on them, it says they are owned by Root and I can't make any changes
[18:11] <bngsudheer> Hello. I get the error: https://pastebin.com/2Vj5DA4y this is on Ubuntu 16.04. How can I fix this?
[18:11] <bngsudheer> RDaneel01ivaw, what is the exact fstab line?
[18:12] <RDaneel01ivaw> UUID=AC9424319423FC88	/media/Media1	ntfs	defaults,nls=utf8,umask=0222	0	0
[18:12] <RDaneel01ivaw> I'm on 18.04 if that helps. I have that line for both my media internal drives
[18:13] <leftyfb> RDaneel01ivaw: if you mount them manually, are the r/w?
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> RDaneel01ivaw: You are on the right track for mounting NTFS volumes. By default, drives listed in fstab are mount in read-only state. To enable read-write, there is a parameter you need to specify. Can you pastebin your fstab file? and paste the link here
[18:14] <Angrygermankids> Does anyone know the solution for my dummy output at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395710
[18:14] <RDaneel01ivaw> They are mounting at boot, which is happening because of these entries in fstab correct? I'm not sure how to un-mount them and manually re-mount them...? I will create that paste right now, one sec
[18:14] <RDaneel01ivaw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X3TshZy88B/
[18:15] <Angrygermankids> I'll give you information if you need it
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> RDaneel01ivaw: It's the options being specified... specifically "defaults"... trying to look up the correct parameters
[18:17] <Bashing-om> RDaneel01ivaw: This too may be of interest : http://askubuntu.com/questions/113733/how-do-i-correctly-mount-a-ntfs-partition-in-etc-fstab .
[18:17] <RDaneel01ivaw> gotcha. thank you so much! I followed a forum post to do that before
[18:18] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, there was a bug time ago; try 'killall nautilus' and reopen
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: Doesn't that apply when the drives are manually mounted after boot?
[18:19] <ioria> not that i know
[18:20] <RDaneel01ivaw> hmmmm, I read that askubuntu link, thanks for that... I couldn't find that before (theres SO much conflicting info on askubuntu for this topic) - and it says to use these paramaters:
[18:20] <RDaneel01ivaw> uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=027,fmask=137
[18:20] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, there was a bug time ago; try 'killall nautilus' and reopen
[18:22] <RDaneel01ivaw> iora: tried that, reopened, everything is the same as before
[18:22] <ioria> ok
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> bngsudheer: Without knowing what you did prior to receiving that libcrypto error, there is little we can do to help.
[18:23] <Exterminador> well. I need some alternative to gparted (command line if possible). gparted is taking centuries to detect the partitions
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> how large are the drives being analyzed Exterminador ?
[18:25] <Exterminador> the drive is just 500Gb
[18:25] <knittl> hi. what defines the maximum number on threads on the system? I have checked ulimit for my user (95633 process) and sysctl kernel.max_pid (default 32768). however, when running a userspace programm that does nothing except allocating threads, after 10.000 threads, it fails with out-of-memory (and processes running in another terminal also fail with fork: resource temporarily unavailable". RAM should be plenty (free -g shows 8G free, 11G available). what
[18:25] <Exterminador> gparted is in search mode for the last 10 mins or so
[18:26] <Angrygermankids> Do you have any fixes for my sound
[18:30] <RDaneel01ivaw> this page: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131 says the following: # NTFS ~ Use ntfs-3g for write access (rw)  --- so maybe I just need to edit my devices to be "ntfs-3g" instead of just "ntfs" ... you think?
[18:31] <Exterminador> I know my laptop is old, but this is taking more time that I'd expect. hence I'm trying to find a way (via command line) to shrink /dev/sda7 from 195GiB to 80GiB
[18:31] <RDaneel01ivaw> buth then I'm also unsure about the options, the default says it's rw, but then I don't know what that umask option does.
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: what is slow though? getting the cd to boot or to analyze the disks?
[18:35] <hfp> If I want to change my server's rootfs to be zfs, am I better off reinstalling or is there a way to migrate the installation?
[18:35] <hfp> i.e. prepare a new drive with zfs and `cp --archive` or something like that
[18:35] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, 1) can you paste 'mount' ? 2) ntfs-3g  is installed ? 3) have you tried to umount and remount the partition ? you'll get more infos
[18:36] <oerheks> hfp, root and zfs, join the zfs channel https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: You cannot change the filesystem of partition without loss of data. You will need to back up your files first and then format the drive to the new filesystem... then copy files back. If this is your boot partition, things trickier
[18:37] <RDaneel01ivaw> ntfs-3g is installed yes
[18:37] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, mount | pastebinit
[18:37] <mforce> hi guys just joined the room, I am kind of new to linux and need some help with an issue I am having with an image based off ubuntu
[18:37] <mforce> my xserver is not loading
[18:37] <RDaneel01ivaw> not sure how to unmount and remount the drives after they are mounted by fstab, looking that up now
[18:38] <mforce> this images is for a miner with GPUs
[18:38] <mforce> I found some logs on the xorg log file it says this:
[18:38] <mforce> https://paste.gnome.org/pyehqyfv7
[18:39] <oerheks> mforce, 'based off ubuntu' what does that mean?
[18:39] <mforce> it was working good yesterday, but then I installed brave browser deb pkg and after reboot I could no longer login to xserver
[18:40] <Exterminador> pragmaticenigma: to analyse the disks. it's taking ages. I think I'll search for resize the partition (it's a fat32 one) in command line
[18:40] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, according to fstab,    sudo umount /media/Media1   and sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb2
[18:40] <mforce> I guess it means they used a trimmed down base ubuntu image and made some changes to it
[18:41] <ti1Chohc> How can I watch n last lines of stdout of some command? I know I can redirect the stdout to a file and then run "watch tail" on it, but is there a way to do that with pipes?
[18:41] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: that's how I wanted to do it, setup a new drive with zfs and copy the old drive over to the new one
[18:41] <hfp> oerheks: #zfs or #zfsonlinux?
[18:42] <oerheks> #zfsonlinux i guess
[18:42] <RDaneel01ivaw> here is my mount pastebin - n3ur0M@nc3r
[18:43] <Angrygermankids> Does anyone have the solution to my sound problem
[18:43] <RDaneel01ivaw> lol, that's the wrong paste.
[18:43] <RDaneel01ivaw> here's the paste - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3cJMsMkK5N/
[18:43] <RDaneel01ivaw> if you look at line 51 and 52
[18:43] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, it's rw
[18:44] <RDaneel01ivaw> that's what it says, but I can't write to it
[18:44] <oerheks> mforce, not a standard setup, mining iso from others, so we must fix this..
[18:44] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, user_id=0,group_id=0
[18:44] <oerheks> so why did you install a browser on a miner server?
[18:44] <oerheks> Lolz
[18:45] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, cd /media/Media1
[18:45] <RDaneel01ivaw> mdir: cannot create directory ‘test’: Permission denied
[18:45] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, and sudo touch test_file
[18:46] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, with sudo
[18:46] <RDaneel01ivaw> hmmm, that worked!
[18:46] <RDaneel01ivaw> I have a testfile now
[18:47] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, sudo rm tes_file ; it's not read only, you just not have the permissions
[18:47] <ioria> don't
[18:47] <RDaneel01ivaw> ah, gotcha, okay, so it IS mounted correctly?
[18:47] <RDaneel01ivaw> sorry for the confusion, I'm still learning all of this :)
[18:48] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, yes, but with the wrong permissions
[18:50] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, you need uid=1000,gid=1000 in fstab or sudo chown -R  /media/Media1
[18:50] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw,  sudo chown -R     myuser:myuser /media/Media1
[18:53] <coconut> There isn't really a blu ray burning tool under ubuntu currently, am i correct with this?
[18:53] <Angrygermankids> Why doesn't anyone understand my problem
[18:55] <RDaneel01ivaw> for ntfs drives, once mounted in fstab, I don't think the chmod stuff works, hang on
[18:56] <oerheks> coconut, there is .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning#Blu-Ray_Burning
[18:57] <RDaneel01ivaw> yes, I think it needs to be mounted with "permissions" flag for those kinds of commands to work, which mine is not
[19:00] <coconut> oerheks: yayyy (i would loved to have had this by an default gnome app though)
[19:01] <coconut> But at least it's possible
[19:02] <FightingFalcon> is ubuntu much better than windows?
[19:02] <oerheks> coconut, yes, but a copy of a commecial BR .. good luck, br media codes can be updates
[19:02] <oerheks> FightingFalcon, please not again...
[19:02] <leftyfb> FightingFalcon: That question is not appropriate here
[19:03] <leftyfb> FightingFalcon: please stop asking
[19:04] <compdoc> FightingFalcon, all of the free programs for ubuntu allow me to do things in ways I cant do in windows, so i use ubuntu more. but I still have windows for quickbooks and photoshop, etc
[19:04] <FightingFalcon> i see thanks compdoc
[19:04] <coconut> oerheks: ohh, it's doing it's own things? Hmm, i should read up on that...
[19:05] <sere> i have abunch of text which are russian and im trying to translate to english.. how can i do this
[19:05] <oerheks> coconut, to play, https://www.howtogeek.com/240487/how-to-play-dvds-and-blu-rays-on-linux/
[19:05] <oerheks> but may be outdated!
[19:06] <Angrygermankids> Why does nobody have a fix for my sound problem
[19:07] <Tigran> I take back my question about workspaces on multiple monitors --- I have figured out how to enable them (just install gome-tweak and it allows you to do this).
[19:08] <oerheks> Angrygermankids, i just read back, does you bios have an option Azalea snd/ AC'97 simulation ? often the ac'97 setting works perfectly, but just 2.1
[19:08] <Tigran> So far only Adobe Acrobat Reader is not working on Ubuntu 18.04 (but I haven't tested printing yet). The critical applications like XeLaTeX and Wolfram Mathematica 11.3 seem to be working just fine.
[19:09] <compdoc> Angrygermankids, many forums suggest removing the sound related software and reinstalling. its just a few simple commmands. But your sound should have been setup during install. if you can boot ubuntu live and it works, and removing/installing doesnt work, try reinstalling from scratch. I would do test installs on a different drive until you get it right
[19:12] <Tigran> Ah, just as I expected --- printing doesn't work. I had to fiddle quite a lot to get it working with Ubuntu 16.04.4.
[19:12] <Noxturnix> Hello World
[19:12] <Tigran> I had to install something beginning with hp*
[19:12] <RDaneel01ivaw> ioria: okay I've added the uid and gid to my fstab, but should I remove the umask 0222 option? I'm not sure if I need that since by default it's rw
[19:12] <Angrygermankids> Yes burt only for front panel
[19:13] <Tigran> As my printer is LaserJet Pro M102a and by default Ubuntu installs the driver for M101-M106 which doesn't work, but HP's original thingie installs the right driver. So I guess I have to do the same for Ubuntu 18.04...
 Yes burt only for front panel .. oh, that information is new
[19:14] <oerheks> please explain your whole issue
[19:14] <Angrygermankids> My motherboard is M4A87TD/USB3
[19:15] <oerheks> so there is no dummy sound output ?
[19:15] <Angrygermankids> Heres some nformation at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395710 if you need more ask me
[19:15] <Angrygermankids> I only have dummy sound output
[19:15] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw,  remove it
[19:16] <biessiee> hello! i am trying to setup a folder on my apache server running 18.04 to host pictures of my grand parents for my family.. but it's showing 403 on that particular folder. after googling i was told to chmod it to 755 which i did and still nothing. how do i get this off 403?
[19:17] <biessiee> the main website works.. just the subfolder does not
[19:17] <ioria> Angrygermankids, "I have a VIA soundcard" ?
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: If you're still around, if the drive is taking a very long time, I'm concerned it might be failing. Usually disk tools are pretty quick
[19:18] <Ubu-1604> biessiee: perhaps only OWNER has permissions to see that subfolder, maybe check the permissions on that subfolder? .. just guessing.
[19:19] <biessiee> Ubu-1604: i just did 777 on the folder and all pictures inside and still 405
[19:19] <biessiee> 403**
[19:20] <Angrygermankids> I have a VIA soundcard to be more specific SBx00 Azalia
[19:20] <Ubu-1604> biessiee: maybe try moving a few pictures UP to the folder you said it can see.
[19:21] <ioria> Angrygermankids, it's not via it's amd
[19:22] <Exterminador> pragmaticenigma: it's probably failing since 2016 :x thanks to EriC^^ I've zeroed the drive once and then it kept working xD waiting for 2nd hand laptop that someone is sending me soon
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: I'd wait out that new drive if you can. Risk of data corruption is higher than I'd be comfortable with
[19:23] <Angrygermankids> Fixed it
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> Angrygermankids: Congrats! If you could, please document how you did it on your forum posting on askubuntu. That way it will help the next person :-)
[19:24] <Exterminador> pragmaticenigma: also since 2016 the disk had 10 windows 10 reinstalls, and probably more than 50 *buntu installs and stuff
[19:25] <Exterminador> it's pretty much dead indeed
[19:25] <ucc_> Hello there! I have a strange problem with nvidia and X. Installed new card. The old was NVS300, the new is GT730. After I change it it worked, but after reboot second time some drivers changed and now the card have "manually installed drivers" that doesn't work well and other are not accessible (in grey).
[19:25] <biessiee> Ubu-1604: okay so if i type the image file name specifically it loads up.. but doesnt show them as a list by typing just the folder name
[19:26] <Angrygermankids> I got using sudo lshw
[19:26] <ioria> omg
[19:26] <ucc_> The "Nvidia application" shows that the card is OK, but it doesn't work properly
[19:27] <ioria> ucc_, define 'properly'
[19:27] <Angrygermankids> fixed it to say I have a AMD soundcard to be more specific SBx00 Azalia which I got using sudo lshw
[19:27] <ioria> Angrygermankids, given solved, no need to discuss it anymore, right ?
[19:28] <Angrygermankids> No my problem isn't fixed yet
[19:28] <Angrygermankids> i still have dummy output
[19:28] <ucc_> https://ibb.co/d4LRxJ
[19:29] <Ubu-1604> biessiee: I have to update this quassel client .. back in a minute ... perhaps try adding a single slash to the end of that folder name ... http://dir1/subfolder1/ ... since it might be looking for .... /subfolder1.html
[19:30] <Ubu-1604> brb
[19:30] <oerheks> Angrygermankids, again: does you bios have an option Azalea snd/ AC'97 simulation ? often the AC'97 setting works perfectly, but just 2.1
[19:30] <ucc_> when start even youtube clip or small clip in VLC the CPU goes to 90 - 100% and I have 8 cores .... and the graphics cut terible
[19:31] <RDaneel01ivaw> ioria: I can't seem to unmount one of my drives because "it's busy" to remount it and check, so I will reboot with new fstab options and come back and let you know
[19:31] <nacc> biessiee: apache has generally good logging, see /var/log/apache2/error.log
[19:32] <scrote> Im running ubuntu server no gui.  How do I automatticaly run a script upon login?
[19:33] <leftyfb> scrote: at login or bootup? What version of ubuntu? What is the server used for? What will the script be doing?
[19:33] <Angrygermankids> do you mean mode or simluation
[19:33] <biessiee> nacc:  [Fri Jul 06 14:31:33.590949 2018] [autoindex:error] [pid 14253] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:57735] AH01276: Cannot serve directory /var/www/html/grandparents/: No matching DirectoryIndex (index.php,ind$ [Fri Jul 06 14:31:58.380442 2018] [autoindex:error] [pid 13208] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:57788] AH01276: Cannot serve directory /var/www/html/grandparents/: No matching DirectoryIndex (index.php,ind$
[19:33] <scrote> at login because I need the user's username in the script.  bionic.
[19:33] <biessiee> ahh so it's looking for index.php
[19:33] <ioria> cron
[19:33] <oerheks> it is an option, in your bios, it falls back to intel ac97
[19:33] <biessiee> but i did the trailing / on the end
[19:34] <scrote> leftyfb: this is ran from inside a virtualbox VM, via cron to do admin tasks.  thats why I need the upon login.  it uses the users id to connect with a postgres server
[19:35] <Ubu-1604> biessiee: maybe add /*.* ... or /*.jpg?
[19:35] <ucc_> cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 1847: Resource temporarily unavailable
[19:36] <biessiee> i got it
[19:36] <Ubu-1604> biessiee: what did ya do? .. works now?
[19:36] <biessiee> i had to add this... to the config file - https://pastebin.com/F7kPG00g
[19:36] <Angrygermankids> According to the manual of my motherboard at https://pastebin.com/FkMj0qj4 it only works on front panel
[19:36] <biessiee> and then i restarted the apache2 server
[19:37] <ucc_> before the manually installed driver (which I don't know how appeared at all) with driver 390 worked very good!
[19:37] <Ubu-1604> good job man! .. i don't know much abot a web server ... perhaps I'll set one up like you did ... seems simple enuf
[19:37] <Ubu-1604> brb again .. still upgrading...
[19:37] <biessiee> Thanks for your help anyways :)
[19:38] <biessiee> nacc: thank you too
[19:38] <crmlt> Where can I get ubuntus 4.17 kernel sources?
[19:40] <leftyfb> crmlt: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/  # I google for "ubuntu kernel"
[19:40] <oerheks> crmlt, 4.17 is not released yet, but you can use the mainline..
[19:41] <crmlt> leftyfb: there are only binaries
[19:41] <oerheks> Angrygermankids, so that works?
[19:41] <leftyfb> crmlt: You can find the source from there
[19:42] <crmlt> oh I see it now
[19:42] <crmlt> thx
[19:42] <crmlt> Can I make PR?
[19:42] <Angrygermankids> I don't have front panel connnectors
[19:46] <RDaneel01ivaw> ioria: it worked! now I can write to my mounted drives!
[19:46] <RDaneel01ivaw> thank you so much!
[19:46] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, good job
[19:48] <biessiee> Does anyone know how to setup a folder to show as thumbnails on apache vs a list of images that means nothing?
[19:48] <RDaneel01ivaw> ioria: thanks again for the help, I'm off to get some stuff done, have a great rest of your day :)
[19:49] <ioria> RDaneel01ivaw, ok, no prob
[19:49] <leftyfb> biessiee: you'll need a web application for that. That is beyond the scope of this channel
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> biessiee: Are you using the default Index feature with apache?
[19:49] <Ubu-1604> all done ... got new quassel client going .. irc is fun :D
[19:49] <raub> I need to setup a dhcp server in one port. Any reason not to use dnsmasq?
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, RDaneel01ivaw what ended up being the solution?
[19:50] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, permissions
[19:51] <RDaneel01ivaw> yes permissions
[19:52] <RDaneel01ivaw> I tried a lot of different parameters. Basically there is a LOT of conflicting info on askubuntu and other forums on the proper way to mount an ntfs drive
[19:52] <biessiee> pragmaticenigma: i am using the default index feature yes
[19:53] <biessiee> pragmaticenigma: i found this.. i may give this a whirl. http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?127856-ApacheGallery
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> biessiee: Okay, as leftyfb mentioned, that moves you support question out of scope for this channel. Or programming your own.
[19:55] <Angrygermankids> A long time and still no sound
[19:55] <ucc_> Any idea how can I enable the graphic drivers? They are in "grey - not accessible" not clicable .... only the manually installed driver is active, but it doesn't works
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> biessiee: Side note... Look very carefully at dates of articles and posts... if they are more than a year or two, they are way out of date and should not be followed
[19:55] <biessiee> pragmaticenigma: Thanks for the top.
[19:55] <biessiee> tip*
[19:56] <Angrygermankids> I am quitting for now If you want to help me with my problem go to https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395710
[19:57] <Dbugger> Every time I update a GNOME extension, I get an "error" badge... Is that normal?
[20:03] <ucc_> when I try to install  nvidia 390 I got error: E: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-G7kStC/12-libnvidia-gl-390_390.48-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb: new libnvidia-gl-390:amd64 package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 2
[20:06] <ucc_> Any idea how to fix that?
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> ucc_: I'd try putting back the old card, uninstalling the drivers, then install the new card
[20:10] <ucc_> Hm OK I will give it a try
[20:11] <memphisto> ucc_: do you have older driver installed already?
[20:11] <memphisto> ucc_: check this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1768050
[20:23] <eden> I'm having an odd issue where my /etc/rc.local doesn't seem to be executing my command. I have the following (sleep 20 su myuser -c 'google-chrome http://localhost:3000')
[20:23] <eden> I can bash it and it works
[20:23] <eden> but rebooting/booting does nothing
[20:25] <EriC^^> eden: rc.local runs by root way before your desktop starts
[20:25] <EriC^^> eden: try 'startup apps' from your user's desktop
[20:26] <eden> EriC thats probably it, this is for a production application, I would prefer to do everything with scripts and not mess with startup apps
[20:26] <qwebirc32442> My Ubuntu doesnt start any more (blue screen). Recovery mode works, but I cant figure out how to establish network to reinstall.
[20:26] <EriC^^> eden: startup apps is sort of a "script" you can manually add a .desktop file, look at ~/.config/autostart
[20:26] <qwebirc32442> If I start "Enable network", it gets to "Reached target Swap" and stops. I dont knoe what to do next.
[20:31] <qwebirc32442> Very rarely at random, I get from recovery option resume into Ubuntus Desktop.
[20:31] <qwebirc32442> but not int the last hour or so
[20:32] <qwebirc32442> memory check and all diagnostics dont find anything
[20:35] <Zexaron> hey I got a problematic HDD it's the dreaded 3TB from Western Digital that have high failure rates, i misordered I meant to order the 4TB one
[20:37] <eden> .desktop will be run as my user that I log in with right?
[20:37] <EriC^^> eden: yeah
[20:37] <eden> Eric: thanks going to test it now brb
[20:40] <Geo> Hi, using openvpn, how would I set up a VPN server at location A that serves as the gateway into a LAN located at location B? ie, connecting to A's IP address, and once negotiated it puts me into the LAN behind B's address
[20:40] <Zexaron> Anyone want to look at this SMART data, this HDD was freezing my whole windows up, had to hard reboot, it's NTFS and GPT, but I'm on linux mint now and got this smart data, d and ordered the stupid 3TB instead of 4TB
[20:41] <Zexaron> https://pastebin.com/2rNXsm93
[20:41] <compdoc> Zexaron, looks fine
[20:42] <compdoc> you should run some smart tests on it
[20:46] <hfp> Fun times! I disabled and masked systemd-networkd-wait-online service because it was hanging my 17.10 server's boot for 2 minutes every time. It booted faster, but no network anymore. So I tried unmasking it and re-enabling it, reboot: still no network. Any ideas? https://dpaste.de/PQuC
[20:47] <hfp> (the dpaste are the commands I used to disable and re-enable, plus excerpts from the service's status)
[20:48] <taliptako> i bought a new 14 inch laptop with 1920 1080px screen
[20:48] <taliptako> i cant see texts clearly they so little for me
[20:49] <Zexaron> compdoc: well DMA_CRC_Error_Count is a bit different from an age old one which zas none of them
[20:50] <Zexaron> the linux mint I'm on right now is on a very old seagate barracuda 320GB from 2006
[20:51] <Zexaron> it does have some errors too yes but keeps working for many months now, true that EXT4 is more robust than NTFS but that probably doesn't matter with deep drive errors
[20:51] <compdoc> Zexaron, Ive purchased about 20 wd red drives over teh years since they first started selling them, and none of them have failed
[20:51] <compdoc> I dont see anything in that smart that says its bad
[20:53] <grkblood13> im not sure if some update just came out but I use autologin on my settop build running xubuntu, today it started going to a black screen after bootup.
[20:53] <compdoc> Zexaron, those 4 ATA errors are about a problem when the drive was sent the standby command, and the others are about drive cache. sounds like the os or drive doesnt like going into standby
[20:54] <compdoc> have you ever changed the cache settings?
[20:55] <compdoc> a bad power supply is more likely
[20:55] <xodiak> hello.
[20:56] <xodiak> Cool Ubunu / linux apps to pass time on another screen while killing an hour at work? I usually like having HexChat open and just watching the text scroll through.
[20:56] <xodiak> Trying out KDE-Neon atm/
[20:59] <Zexaron> compdoc: yeah I'm not a fan of standby either but I don't remember using it at the time, I think I did maybe a few times but not sure
[20:59] <Zexaron> it's definitely a rarity that I use standby, I'm aware of the unreliability of that feature on windows
[21:01] <Zexaron> If that's the solution it would be easy to adapt to it, but I think it was Win7, I'm now I got more into Win10 (heavily tweaked tho :P), but actually I've expanted to multiple OSes (on separate disks, ubuntu, mint, win10, win7), but I don't really need to use standby
[21:02] <Zexaron> Well as long as it's readabale so I can save data I'm not that concerned, I will then play with it once data is secure and figure out more
[21:02] <Zexaron> It did kinda froze the OS when I started writing files, transferring some stuff
[21:03] <Zexaron> compdoc: in the middle of the transfer, I remember now, it froze the OS, I think it was Win7 yes
[21:05] <compdoc> Zexaron, I used to test new systems by transferring large files. if you have bad ram, then it can show up there
[21:05] <compdoc> still could be the PSU
[21:08] <Zexaron> compdoc: indeed I have identified a bad PSU, a ton of things happened recently, many failures, I replaced with more powerful PSU, not sure if you're aware but yes I had problems with HDDs booting/detecting and running well, weird symptoms of slow 5 minute boots
[21:08] <compdoc> Zexaron, how old is the system?
[21:11] <Zexaron> compdoc: it's not over yet, I got BSODs on the fresh Win10 just days ago, with the new PSU and only 4 HDDs connected in the past month, it was a hard bsod it says CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED and no writing of dump was possible, after a reboot the Win10 SSD wasn't recognized, until anothrer hard repower
[21:11] <Zexaron> This WDRED30 was not connected for 2 months
[21:11] <Zexaron> I didn't had time to fix it
[21:13] <Zexaron> compdoc early 2013
[21:13] <Zexaron> https://pastebin.com/P6cEj7pn
[21:14] <Zexaron> tests show no erorrs, I think I did the extended test through windows tools, I think I had WD diagnostics tool on that Win7 (which I don't, anymore, I have a new Win7 install and a new Win10 on newer SSDs)
[21:14] <Zexaron> so the extended test was from earlier, I did the conveyance and short test today and shows no errors
[21:15] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[21:15] <Zexaron> I'm suspecting there's some coincidential things happening at the same time, this Win10 BSODs which look awfully like a SSD failure or something, they started happening more faster after boot, once after 2 hrs, then after 30 mins, then afert 15 mins, then after 5 mins
[21:17] <Angrygermankids> Can I have help with my sound problem
[21:17] <Angrygermankids> I only have dummy output
[21:18] <_KaszpiR_> Zexaron  this smells like some firmware issue - see if your disk vendor released any firmware to ssd
[21:18] <compdoc> Zexaron, I bet the mainboard has bad capacitors
[21:19] <_KaszpiR_> Zexaron on emore thing, try with different sata cable (yeah really)
[21:20] <binary_hamster> how do i fix a broken package system in ubuntu?
[21:21] <Zexaron> compdoc: indeed, right on the sata controller or that sata port, it doesn't happen when I boot to ubuntu which is on another SSD (older one which used to have the old  Win7)
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> binary_hamster: can you give us some more details plz?
[21:21] <_KaszpiR_> Zexaron one more thing, replace battery on the motherboard (seen really funky shit due to the old batteries)
[21:22] <compdoc> Zexaron, sounds like its time for a modern computer, and keep that WD
[21:22] <binary_hamster> i was trying to download a game on ubuntu and a dialog box popped up saying my package system is broken.
[21:22] <_KaszpiR_> memory errors *usually* end quickly with bsod
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> binary_hamster: wich game on wich ubuntu version? downloaded from where?
[21:23] <Zexaron> _KaszpiR_,compdoc: yeah I did ask about that before and those were the suggestions, I have 3 SSDs, PORT1: Samsung 860 EVO 250GB, PORT2: Samsung 840 PRO 128GB (old win7, now ubuntu), DISONNECTED: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB (pending fresh win7 install)
[21:23] <_KaszpiR_> otherwise dying capacitors, maybe bumping voltages a notch or two for IOH on the mobo could help
[21:23] <Oyeaitsme> Hey team, would anyone know of a Discord add-on allowing for End-to-End encryption? If not, is there another chan that might? Thanks in advance!
[21:24] <_KaszpiR_> Oyeaitsme Discord does not support that
[21:24] <Zexaron> compdoc,_KaszpiR_: I used the empty 850 EVO to clone the image of the 860 EVO Win10 and I'll keep all new testing with that one, that should rule out drive failure, or at least help right?
[21:24] <binary_hamster> lotuspsychje:Extreme tux racer from software boutique
[21:24] <leftyfb> Oyeaitsme: try #freenode for non-Ubuntu questions
[21:24] <Oyeaitsme> leftyfb: gotcha. sorry about that!
[21:24] <Oyeaitsme> _KaszpiR_: that's what I feared. Is there a comparable alternative that might accomplish same thing?
[21:25] <Zexaron> compdoc,_KaszpiR_: I did 2 backup images with clonezilla today, one with partclone and one in DD mode, i used the DD mode image in this case
[21:25] <_KaszpiR_> Oyeaitsme not aware of, sorry
[21:25] <_KaszpiR_> maybe just change medium to exchange sensitive information
[21:25] <binary_hamster> loutuspsychje:also on ubuntu mate xenial (not sure if spelled right)
[21:25] <Zexaron> _KaszpiR_: wouldn't mem error show up on Ubuntu too ?
[21:25] <_KaszpiR_> like telegram or rocket.chat has something like OTR
[21:26] <Oyeaitsme> _KaszpiR_: that makes sense. Thanks for answering! I'll go ahead and ask around in #freenode. :)
[21:26] <_KaszpiR_> Zexaron it would and probably end with kernel panic (just as bsod under windows)
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> binary_hamster: what kind of error you getting?
[21:26] <_KaszpiR_> unless you have ECC mem, then you can recover certain errors
[21:27] <Zexaron> _KaszpiR_: I think I did once already, not remember, but I'm sure I checked with voltmeter, however I'll check again indeed
[21:27] <Zexaron> no ECC
[21:27] <binary_hamster> lutuspsychje: (exact text): The package system is broken
[21:27] <binary_hamster> Check if you are using third party repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems.
[21:27] <binary_hamster> Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f(tried that, didnt work)
[21:28] <_KaszpiR_> Zexaron remove dust from computer, replace battery, squeeze a bit bios chip (if it is on the replacable chip on the socket on mobo, then sometimes the connection dies and it is worth to remove and place it back), move cables, replace some cables (idk but quite a lot I had issue with sata cables dying after some time
[21:29] <Zexaron> compdoc,_Kaszpir_: how would I check for bad caps, do I need elextrician?  I can ofcourse research, but these are japanese ones, or do they also look different?
[21:29] <_KaszpiR_> like if sata cables were oxidating  or something
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> binary_hamster: we dont support external ppa's here, check your sources.list to see if you still have some enabled
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | binary_hamster
[21:29] <_KaszpiR_> bad caps usually are easily spotted - they are bulged
[21:30] <binary_hamster> Thanks o
[21:30] <Zexaron> Well I do keep it pretty clean as I have industrial pressure air just around corner, it's practically dust free, and it was recently I did major cabling maintenance
[21:30] <binary_hamster> lotuspsychje: thanks will do
[21:30] <Zexaron> But yeah, I just did reconnections, rerouting, new psu, etc, not actually replacing any of the sata cables
[21:30] <_KaszpiR_> http://www.robotroom.com/Parts/Samsung-monitor-capacitors/Spot-the-bad-capacitors.jpg like that, they should be flat
[21:30] <_KaszpiR_> http://embedonix.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/good_bad_ugly_capacitors.jpg
[21:31] <Zexaron> KaszpiR_: including the japanese caps?
[21:31] <_KaszpiR_> that depends on the moterhboard
[21:31] <Zexaron> or whatever they are, they aren't the usual ones, they're all small
[21:31] <_KaszpiR_> and how well ventilated it was
[21:31] <_KaszpiR_> some caps will look good, unfortunately
[21:31] <Zexaron> it is well wentilated, absolutely
[21:32] <_KaszpiR_> recently I had more issues due to dust than anything else
[21:32] <_KaszpiR_> unfortunaltely one of myu mobos really loves to get mental if there is slight amout of dust in certain areas :
[21:32] <_KaszpiR_> :/
[21:33] <Zexaron> well, i'll see what i can do with  this cloned image to a different SSD, different port and different sata data cable
[21:33] <Zexaron> and also I'll disconnect all other disks too
[21:34] <Zexaron> it's late now I have go soon, i'll keep the caps in mind etc
[21:34] <_KaszpiR_> otherwise I had one or two issues with ssd disks and firmware (like disks ended to be bricks) but firmware fixed  (and some voodoo to bring them back to life to update firmware)
[21:34] <_KaszpiR_> btw
[21:34] <_KaszpiR_> thermal paste on cpu, and on chipsets
[21:34] <Zexaron> ofcourse, now that i have backups, i can do firmware, i was afraid they wouldn't work for read-only
[21:34] <Zexaron> they* it
[21:35] <Zexaron> allright, thanks guys, later
[21:35] <hfp> /quit/j clonezilla
[21:35] <hfp> woops
[21:35] <Serverbeginner> Hi all. Do you know what's with Ubuntu Server's admin GUI, Landscape's install ? apt install landscape-server-quickstart is not found in the repository so the instructions told on Ubuntu and Landscape specific official sites don't seem to work for 18.04
[21:35] <_KaszpiR_> I remember once having mobo which had rock stone solid thermal paste on the nort/south bridge (cant remember) and it ended in a weird freezes cause the chipset was getting sometimes too much temperature because it could not transfer it to the heat spreader
[21:48] <eclipse> hi
[21:49] <Guest60578> how do i register
[21:49] <lotuspsychje> !register | Guest60578
[22:01] <Angrygermankids> Does anyone have a solution for my problem at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395710
[22:01] <Angrygermankids> I'll give information if you need it
[22:03] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: have you gone through this already? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:04] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: and do you have all of these packages installed? linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[22:05] <Angrygermankids> All of them are installed
[22:07] <Angrygermankids> How long wiill those steps take
[22:08] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: i don't know, never had to go thoguht them. you can cherry pick if you know what's not needed
[22:08] <Angrygermankids> 7. alsamixer doesn't work
[22:09] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: "doesn't work" is about the worst way to describe a problem.
[22:09] <tomreyn> try to explain what happens, how you know it "doesn't work"
[22:10] <Angrygermankids> it says cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[22:10] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: also run "sudo update-pciids" and post the out put from "sudo lspci -nn"
[22:10] <tomreyn> much better!
[22:12] <Angrygermankids> Here it is https://pastebin.com/TrdpGsRk
[22:15] <lotuspsychje> Angrygermankids: did you clean install or upgrade?
[22:15] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: is this an intel CPU with AMD graphics?
[22:16] <Angrygermankids> This is AMD CPU
[22:18] <psichas> https://ibb.co/b857nJ how to rename pci card on network manager, or how ignore that name?
[22:18] <Angrygermankids> Typed clean install then upgrade
[22:18] <Angrygermankids> Like right now
[22:18] <TBotNik> Hey All: Need help on network shares!  Wrote this up at: https://www.unix.com/ubuntu/279114-samba-help.html#post303019672.  The main thing I need right now is linking to win server so I can find the \\server\tools directory and a .xlsx file we use for process tracking here at the computer shop!
[22:20] <TBotNik> Just getting the cmd right at the command line so I can add it as a mount to fstab, so they always show at bootup, is the current goal!
[22:25] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: did you run "alsaconf" already? and if so, did it say it added something to /etc/modprobe.d/ ?
[22:26] <lotuspsychje> !samba | TBotNik start here
[22:29] <pavlos> psichas: create a rule in /etc/systemd/network/ see this, https://askubuntu.com/questions/783457/renaming-network-interface-in-ubuntu-16-04-with-systemd-fails
[22:30] <qwebirc51888> Hi,  I'm Cherrera
[22:30] <Angrygermankids> I tried to run alsaconf  but i get command not found
[22:31] <qwebirc51888> I need help for update my S.O, but return error the connection to internet :/
[22:32] <qwebirc51888> Hi
[22:33] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: alsaconf was removed. use "sudo alsactl init"
[22:34] <Angrygermankids> says alsactl: init:1757: No soundcards found...
[22:36] <qwebirc51888> I from chile
[22:37] <qwebirc51888> I need update but return two errors
[22:37] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: do you have and oss* packages installed? dpkg -l 'oss*'
[22:39] <qwebirc51888> My SO 17.04 desktop
[22:39] <Angrygermankids> No https://pastebin.com/5SmTPC8S
[22:40] <Bashing-om> !17.04 | qwebirc51888
[22:40] <qwebirc51888> https://pastebin.com/5SmTPC8S
[22:41] <qwebirc51888> ouch
[22:42] <qwebirc51888> Now I understand, but how do I act? I can update?
[22:43] <Bashing-om> !eol | qwebirc51888
[22:45] <qwebirc51888> but how do I change the version without losing my information?
[22:45] <qwebirc51888> Is posible?
[22:45] <oerheks> if you have no backup already, your data is not important
[22:46] <oerheks> yes it is possible, but do not blame us when something goes wrong
[22:51] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: what'S the output of  "ls -lt /etc/modprobe.d/ 2>&1 | pastebinit" ?
[22:52] <Angrygermankids> here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DWRRczPqqk/
[22:59] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: you could download this, review it, make it executable (if you think it can be trusted), and run it: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-utils.git;a=blob_plain;f=alsa-info/alsa-info.sh
[23:01] <tomreyn> see also "is my soundcard supported?" and "how do i test my soundcard" on https://alsa-project.org
[23:03] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: this is going to return much output, including "Your ALSA information is located at", followed by a HTTP address, which you could report here.
[23:03] <Angrygermankids> here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xk8V9yp2Sp/
[23:07] <GothSpark> hi I am facing a problem with pkexec on minimal server install ... every password I enter in pkexec are denied
[23:10] <thatfossguy> anyone using a iMac 2015 27"? No matter what I do on whatever distro I  can not the sound to work, unless I play audio through a browser window, that works for some wierd reason
[23:13] <gigirock> hello
[23:13] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: hmm, i'm not sure what else to try really. newer alsa should not help, since apparently there are people who had it working (more or less) on older linux versions. there are 2 newer (mainboard) bios versions than the one you have, https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A87TDUSB3/HelpDesk_Download/ , but there is no reason to assume they would improve this issue.
[23:17] <tomreyn> Angrygermankids: actually, maybe try "modprobe snd-hda-intel" and see whether alsa-info.sh gives better output then
[23:18] <bn_work> hi, for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, is there a simple package for use as a Certificate Authority (CA) server?
[23:19] <bn_work> (was looking around in `apt search ca | grep -2 " CA "` and `apt search pki` but not finding much)
[23:20] <GrandPa-G> This is actually on Raspberry, but hope someone here knows the issue. I have StandardOutput=file:/home/pi/web.log in service file. systemd version = 232. I get error on boot Jul  6 13:22:36 raspberrypi systemd[1]: [/etc/systemd/system/web.service:13] Failed to parse output specifier, ignoring: file:/home/pi/web.log
[23:21] <tomreyn> bn_work: can you discuss what a 'CA server' is from your point of view, since this term can be ambiguous.
[23:24] <bn_work> tomreyn:  just an app that can sign certificates for other servers (doesn't need to be web-based, can be CLI), not sure if OCSP/CRL services would be needed yet, would openssl suffice to do that?
[23:25] <tomreyn> bn_work: yes, if it can be manual. there is also tinyca as a frontend
[23:27] <psichas> who could help me do links with systemd? :)
[23:28] <bn_work> tomreyn: thanks!  do you know if it supports / exports to .JKS too?
[23:30] <tomreyn> bn_work: i don't, i'm not even sure whether openssl would. openssl can export to pkcs12, though, and java's keytool can import that to a keystore.
[23:32] <tomreyn> bn_work: also check "xca" as an alternative to tinyca. it is newer, with ongoing development (tinyca is basically dead).
[23:33] <bn_work> tomreyn:  thanks, yeah, was just looking at that too... although I'm still not sure what the process would be to generate a CA cert and then sign other certs via just `openssl` CLI
[23:34] <tomreyn> bn_work: http://pki-tutorial.readthedocs.io/en/latest/simple/
[23:38] <tomreyn> bn_work: it's probably best to work with two computers or at least two terminals, one acting as the CA (and possibly intermediate CA), the other as the average client wanting their certificate signed.
[23:39] <bn_work> tomreyn: thanks!  yeah, that's my exact scenario anyway, I have one machine I want to make the rootCA and the other as the client (server) whose CSR I want signed
[23:39] <bn_work> s/CSR/certificate/
[23:41] <tomreyn> bn_work: do it once first, taking notes / documenting the process on each end (you'll tear your hair anyways), then reinstall + harden the CA system, and redo it from scratch.
[23:41] <tomreyn> if this is going to be serious you'll want to buy some form of HSM
[23:41] <bn_work> HSM?
[23:42] <tomreyn> hardware security module, a generic term for different types of devices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module
[23:43] <b-04> hi to all!
[23:43] <b-04> what is the best RDP client for ubuntu?
[23:43] <tomreyn> bn_work: cacert.org is a non-commercial CA, and so is letsencrypt. both have produced a lot of documentation, including policy documents, you should review some of them at some point.
[23:45] <tomreyn> bn_work: you'll come across many 3 letter acronyms such as 'CSP' (certificate signing policy) there, but also hints on how to harden (both technically and organizationally) your CA. we're way OT here now, feel free to ask me mor ein #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:46] <tomreyn> b-04: freerdp IIRC. there is also rdesktop, and several frontends.
[23:46] <b-04> thanks tomreyn !! :=)
[23:47] <tomreyn> welcome. and be sure to decive for yourself what's "the best", since only you can ;)
[23:47] <b-04> Last inquiry, I have a vnc server on ubuntu desktop. Is it possible to connect two different pcs in two different sessions or desktops in that ubuntu?
[23:47] <tomreyn> *decide
[23:52] <tomreyn> b-04: i think you'd need the -alwaysshared option to tighvnc's Xvnc for this
[23:53] <tomreyn> (and remove -nevershared if set)
[23:53] <b-04> excelent! i go to try :) thanks tomreyn !!
[23:54] <tomreyn> b-04: also consider x2go instead of vnc, and don't mix up vnc and rdp ;)