 Your attitude highlights the near-guarantee that the problem you're having is with the operator, not the system.
[00:29] <badSophia> there is a way to see memory usage?
[00:29] <iosecure> badSophia: Depends on what you're trying to see. free, top, etc.
[00:29] <badSophia> there is a gui app?
[00:29] <badSophia> i can’t remember it
[00:30] <badSophia> i think that it is xxxtop?
[00:30] <badSophia> iosecure:
[00:30] <iosecure> No idea.
[00:30] <badSophia> gtop?
[00:30] <iosecure> I don't generally use a GUI for system-level things like this.
[00:32] <badSophia> lol
[00:32] <badSophia> it is htop iosecure
[00:32] <badSophia> :)
[00:33] <flyback> I know how to configure a network
[00:34] <flyback> the issue I am talking about if when you are trying to packet sniff or configure a router
[00:34] <flyback> ubuntu will keep cycling trying to auto config it even after you tried to setup manually
[00:34] <flyback> I seen it for 10+ yrs
[00:34] <iosecure> No, it won't.
[00:35] <flyback> I don't know why I think it will ever change and just stick to another linux on a laptop for oddball configs
[00:35] <iosecure> So your assertion that you know what you're doing is... well, unsupported.
[00:35] <flyback> like I said
[00:35] <flyback> nothing ever changes
[00:36] <flyback> sw bugs and smug assholes that code them
[00:36] <tatertots> "tried to setup manually" is a lot different when compared to "actually setting up a successful manual connection"
[00:38] <iosecure> That, folks, is a case study in the Dunning-Kruger effect.
[00:43] <matsaman> or just masochism
[00:44] <cryptodan_mobile> A home router is easy to setup not sure why you need to packet sniff
[00:45] <flyback> the next time you are going to /msg me iosecure and lecture me, don't be a fucking sniveling little coward and have server side ignore enabled
[00:45] <matsaman> iosecure: frealz
[00:45] <cryptodan_mobile> flyback: why do you need packet sniffing to setup a router?
[00:46] <flyback> no I said packet sniffing a device or setting up a router sometims i've watched network manager keep trying to butt in
[00:47] <cryptodan_mobile> Uh that has never happened to me
[00:47] <flyback> yeah well i've seen it many times before
[00:47] <flyback> over the years
[00:47] <flyback> it doesn't matter now
[01:40] <uio> Why do accounts by default have access to eachothers home folder?
[01:40] <uio> Not super secure....
[01:45] <iosecure> That's a default inherited from Debian for reasons I'm not entirely sure of.
[01:46] <iosecure> I change /etc/adduser.conf on all systems to set the directory mode to 0700 for new users.
[02:00] <uio> iosecure: Thanks.
[02:41] <jpmh> I have set fail2ban to test/check/block too many ssh attempts - this part IS workinkg, at least fail2ban-client status ssh tells me that the ip is blocked  - yet the ip is NOT blocked - clearly I am missing something about telling it how to interface with iptables - any guidance would be appreciated
[02:41] <jpmh> iptables -L shows nothing blocked
[02:58] <hggdh> jpmh: run fail2ban in INFO or DEBUG mode -- stop fail2ban, edit & change /etc/fail2ban/fail2ban.(local|conf) to logLevel=INFO or DEBUG, start fail2ban, and look at the logs
[03:03] <jpmh> hggdh: added the line to jail.local - is that where you want it - retstarted fail2ban - still looks like it is working but iptables -: still has no links and I see no log
[03:04] <jpmh> hggdh: I sort of suspect that I need to do something to tell iptables about this and that this is what I am missing
[05:00] <Mylon> I launched Discover and started an update hours ago.  But it seems to be stuck and it's blocking me from shutting the computer down.
[05:00] <Mylon> What do I do?
[05:04] <Mylon> I'm on 18.04.1 by the way.
[05:04] <Mylon> Well I was gonna turn off the computer and go to sleep.  I'll just leave this on and hopefully someone posts a link I can read in case this is a known issue.
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Mylon: what kind of error message do you see?
[05:28] <notbobdole> Anyone here  used to building kernels?
[05:29] <notbobdole> I'm running amdgpu and I'm working on compiling kernel for first time
[05:29] <notbobdole> I want to compile the drm-next-4.21 since I don't see any downloads
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: we dont really reccomend building kernels yourself
[05:29] <notbobdole> I want to start testing the support for my graphics drivers that are coming out on that kernel development branch
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: use the !mainline existing kernels instead to experiment with
[05:30] <notbobdole> Unfortunately doesn't support my hardware 1/4th the performance it should be getting. There is a reason I'm asking
[05:30] <notbobdole> should I ask in another channel?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: wich kernel version are you gonna build exactly?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> oh 4.21 nvm
[05:31] <notbobdole> origin/drm-next-4.21-wip
[05:31] <notbobdole> specifically for the amdgpu updates
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: maybe the #ubuntu-devel and #kernel are more channels for you then, i see mainline goes until 4.20
[05:32] <notbobdole> Aight I'll try the devel channel since I"m running ubuntu. I know ubuntu has their own flavours of patches but not familiar.
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: we always looking for users to contribute on ubuntu, isnt it possible you test your graphics drivers against 4.20 mainline?
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | notbobdole have a look mate
[05:34] <iosecure> I suspect there's a reason he's looking at that specific development branch.
[05:34] <notbobdole> There is.
[05:34] <notbobdole> Mainline doesn't have support. I'm already running 4.20 latest build off mainline
[05:36] <notbobdole> radeon mobile graphics performance in 4.20 is still 1/4th of what the onboard integrated graphics are on mobile. i read on a stack overflow that the 4.21 drm wip updates get performance to be bearable
[05:37] <notbobdole> Pure amd laptop, I'm a devops guy, and know the basics of systems but this is the most involved I've gotten with this kinda thing. It is holidays so I have time and am trying to learn some new stuff.
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: as you are on ubuntu, and your driver doesnt work on the mainline kernels, why dont you help our community and file a !bug against?
[05:38] <notbobdole> plenty of bugs going and they're all in the 4.21 wip branch
[05:38] <notbobdole> I don't know the state of things until I tried that afaik
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> right
[05:38] <notbobdole> If I am misunderstanding let me know.
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: so, and your bug is one of the existing bugs then?
[05:39] <notbobdole> many reported bugs about the performance issues/support, yes.
[05:39] <notbobdole> And I read things are a lot better in 4.21 drm next
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: thats very general, but i rest my case, try the #ubuntu-devel channel perhaps or #kernel
[05:40] <iosecure> I would suspect that that bug would get marked as WONTFIX even if it were filed. The amount of effort necessary to backport those changes compared to just using the HWE kernel from 19.04 when it launches?
[05:40] <notbobdole> posted in ubuntu-devel earlier. I will hop over to kernel also I suppose.
[05:43] <notbobdole> iosecure, I don't see any reason it will be marked as wontfix for future kernel development. A large amount of the amdgpu work has been merged in for 4.20 with a lot of vega updates (will help my dekstop). But the latpop stuff is really comign through for 4.21 and later from what I'm reading. all of which is in git wip branches.
[05:43] <iosecure> notbobdole: I'm not talking about the kernel bugs themselvse.
[05:43] <iosecure> I'm talking about opening a bug against Ubuntu's current kernel packages specifically.
[05:45] <notbobdole> Ah yeah. Future kernels only from what I can tell.
[05:45] <iosecure> notbobdole: Generally, a bug filed against against a distro-patched kernel is fixed by backporting changes or patches from future kernels, as long as the patch can be cleanly applied.
[05:46] <iosecure> In this case, the significance of the change, combined with the likelihood that a fixed kernel or newer will be available in 19.04, means that Canonical will probably just wait.
[06:01] <notbobdole> Well other two channels have been silent. I'm compiling something right now. Hopefully a working kernel. :D
[06:01] <qwebirc98864> new user here, can i ask a question
[06:01] <Ben64> yes
[06:01] <qwebirc98864> i'm running ubuntu off a usb right now and i was wondering if
[06:01] <qwebirc98864> installing to disk here would cause the liveusb to
[06:01] <qwebirc98864> shut off
[06:02] <qwebirc98864> i'm running a hard drive recovery simultaneously so it's important that the computer doesn't shut off now
[06:02] <mouses> qwebirc98864: No, at the end of the install process you will be prompted to reboot if you want to
[06:02] <qwebirc98864> ah thanks
[06:02] <qwebirc98864> :)
[06:02] <mouses> qwebirc98864: just be careful and make sure you don't blindly click reboot and you should be fine
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: its holidays, patience might be needed :p
[06:03] <notbobdole> I have no patience :D (It is holidays at 1AM for me)
[06:03] <notbobdole> Also only other reason I'm doing this is my machine successfully booted. I thought my SSD died a few days ago
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: you cant boot your amd card with any other kernel then 21?
[06:05] <notbobdole> Performance is the issue, I can boot, but the integrated graphics is a 1400 score on glmark vs a 500 with the dedicated card
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: wich drivers are you testing exactly?
[06:07] <notbobdole> amdgpu is in development to the kernel. Supposedly the newwest updates fix a lot of performance issues on the mobile chipset. Radeon RX 560x
[06:07] <notbobdole> but i'm not sure if I understood question
[06:08] <bleb> just installed 18.04.  where would i go to install fvwm or xfce?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: check here: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[06:08] <bleb> i see "ubuntu software" but searching for fvwm turns up no results
[06:09] <iosecure> lotuspsychje: Those aren't the open source drivers in the kernel.
[06:09] <notbobdole> lotuspsychje, you're scratching the surface with the weeds on this. Those don't get you the kernel updates where the actual amdgpu support is being worked on in kernel. Amdgpu pro (proprietary) does not support mobile graphics (Or at least swapping), nor does it have proper testing for mobile graphcis. Desktop only
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> iosecure: you cant have decent performance on the opensource drivers
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> the same you cant game properly on nouveau, you need some latest nvidia drivers too
[06:11] <notbobdole> you aren't familiar with the amdgpu open source development then
[06:11] <iosecure> lotuspsychje: I believe that the process of adding and refining capability is referred to as "development."
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> development vs performance are 2 different worlds
[06:12] <notbobdole> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.21-Jump-Start-2019
[06:12] <iosecure> lotuspsychje: Development leads to performance. I'm not really sure what point you think you're making.
[06:12] <notbobdole> He's used to the nvidia environment. That is all
[06:13] <notbobdole> amd is hugely invested into kernel development and getting proper kernel support for their stuff now.
[06:13] <notbobdole> where as nvidia is "install proprietary and cry about your blobs"
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !info fvwm | bleb
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: come discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:15] <bleb> lotuspsychje: yeah i can just use apt-get
[06:15] <bleb> but i guess i was expecting there to be a gui for this
[06:16] <fengshaun> is there anything where I can have gsconnect's sms notifications appear in a separate window so I can have a conversation?
[06:17] <fengshaun> the notifications don't flow well and sometimes disappear before I can click reply
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> !pm | iosecure
[06:19] <iosecure> I wasn't asking you a question. I was giving you sage advice.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> you can give me advice in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:20] <iosecure> I used the forum that I intended to.
[06:20] <iosecure> But now I'll say it here: Be helpful, or be quiet.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> dont use the main channel to discuss things
[06:20] <iosecure> Be helpful... or be quiet.
[06:23] <notbobdole> lotuspsychje, you're being insufferable, you know.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:24] <iosecure> He's literally -always- like this. It's ridiculous.
[06:25] <bleb> so i did apt-get install fvwm xfce, but neither appear in the menu in gdm
[06:25] <bleb> is there some trick to this?
[06:26] <iosecure> bleb: For xfce, you might try installing the xubuntu-desktop metapackage.
[06:26] <iosecure> Should set up everything necessary for xfce. That might pull in more packages than you want, though.
[06:28] <bleb> iosecure: what's the difference between that and just installing xfce?
[06:29] <iosecure> These days, probably not a great deal.
[06:29] <notbobdole> bleb, honestly some extras. It is a more meta package that has a few extra buntu configurations, and I think it also handles gdm configs for ya
[06:29] <bleb> ok cool i'll give it a go
[06:29] <bleb> and what if i want to try fvwm?
[06:30] <bleb> maybe it will show up if i make a .xsession
[06:30] <iosecure> No idea there, unfortunately.
[06:30] <notbobdole> bleb, I've not used fvwm but I use i3wm. gdm has a config option on login to select your gui
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> bleb: check the official wiki here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FVWM
[06:34] <notbobdole> Doesn't answer his question of if he wants to use both, lotuspsychje . Further that article looks awefully old and might be out of date.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: that article is older and still working and relevant
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: fvwm still in the official repos
[06:36] <iosecure> That page hasn't seen any meaningful updates in ten years.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> so?
[06:37] <notbobdole> but his question as about "What if I want to use fvwm?" which was asked after getting an answer on getting GDM configured with xfce. So the implication is a question about using both.. not installing fvwm
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: the page describes howto integrate with gdm, as he asked
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> notbobdole: and if you readed well, his first question was howto install fvwm
[06:40] <iosecure> lotuspsychje: "01:25 <bleb> so i did apt-get install fvwm xfce, but neither appear in the menu in gdm"
[06:40] <iosecure> That, already, conflicts with your wiki page. So it seems not being updated in ten years is relevant.
[06:40] <iosecure> lotuspsychje: Again, we arrive at this: Be helpful, OR BE QUIET.
[06:41] <notbobdole> not just "Link to random crap that is 10 years old"
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> iosecure notbobdole if a wiki is outdated, it will mention the info needs updating at the top, also if you find something thats not usuable anymore on the wiki's please report it to the wiki team
[06:43] <notbobdole> beep boop
[06:44] <iosecure> Doesn't do much good at this moment, R2.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> you can always come to discuss about it in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> you keep disturbing the main support channel notbobdole iosecure so pls dont
[06:45] <iosecure> lotuspsychje: The biggest disturbance in here is you. Be helpful, or be quiet.
[06:46] <bleb> so i installed xubuntu-desktop and i still see no xfce in the gdm menu
[06:46] <bleb> only "ubuntu" and "ubuntu wayland"
[06:46] <iosecure> bleb: I'm not certain if GDM requires a restart to pick up new session options.
[06:46] <HiddenDjinn> iosecure: i believe it does
[06:46] <HiddenDjinn> bleb: have you tried turning it off and back on?
[06:47] <HiddenDjinn> bleb: i'm not being sarcastic
[06:47] <notbobdole> bleb, iosecure beat me to it. Did you try restarting or systemctl restart gdm?
[06:56] <bleb> yeah restarting worked lol
[06:57] <bleb> also looks like i didn't need to install xubuntu-desktop either
[06:57] <bleb> fvwm and xfce were in the menu
[06:57] <iosecure> Nice. I don't think there's much difference between the xfce metapackage and the xubuntu-desktop metapackage these days.
[06:57] <iosecure> Glad it works.
[06:58] <bleb> well xubuntu-desktop contains stuff like libreoffice
[06:58] <notbobdole> Yeah sorry about the bloat :)
[06:58] <notbobdole> didn't occur to me ya hadn't restarted/reloaded gdm. it is so automatic to me since I install from server all the time.
[06:58] <iosecure> Well, that metapackage is pretty much the entire Xubuntu release, so it makes sense.
[07:00] <bleb> its ok i purged it
[07:00] <notbobdole> bleb, you can view the apt log and it will tell you what was installed due o meta package. You can use that to uninstall if you want
[07:00] <notbobdole> should be /var/log/apt/term.log
[07:00] <bleb> i just did apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop and apt-get autoremove
[07:00] <notbobdole> or more simply the history.log
[07:01] <notbobdole> Ah, I'm always paranoid with purge/autoremove
[07:01] <bleb> good to know i should be careful... its a fresh install anyway
[07:07] <HiddenDjinn> bleb: i'm glad it works for you
[07:07] <HiddenDjinn> also, i personally install xubuntu-restricted-extras with xubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <HiddenDjinn> bleb: it isn't necessary, but it gives access to some things you might use
[07:09] <bleb> cool thanks
[07:18] <heycam> hi there. I just installed Ubuntu 18.10.  I'm using HexChat as my IRC client.  since it's a GTK 2 app, and I guess I only have some default GTK 2 theme installed, it doesn't fit in very well with the rest of the desktop.  how can I choose a new GTK 2 theme?
[07:20] <notbobdole> heycam, hexchat has themes, so you might be able to set it up to use one that is gtk3-like. But otherwise I'd recommend maybe looking into Konversation
[07:20] <tomreyn> which is then QT based
[07:21] <notbobdole> I can't help out much with themes other than reading the online guides on applying themes to hexchat. I use it myself but I don't have much of ui with i3wm.
[07:22] <tomreyn> i guess if you wanted it to match the general looks of gnome3, you'd need a gtk3 based irc application
[07:23] <heycam> notbobdole: I figured that HexChat's themes are just for the colours of the main chat area rather than the UI like the menu bar etc.  but I see now in https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/appearance.html#theme-files some instructions on how to choose a GTK theme there
[07:23] <heycam> so that might be my best shot
[07:23] <heycam> tomreyn: is there such a thing? :)
[07:23] <notbobdole> heycam, I did google before I posted and did not find anyone recommending a gtk3 irc yet.
[07:24] <notbobdole> or at least not in droves like there are for hexchat/konversation
[07:24] <heycam> I have been mostly happy with HexChat.  it doesn't quite handle hidpi screens well though.
[07:24] <heycam> (which I guess is again because it's not using GTK3)
[07:26] <tomreyn> polari and srain are gtk3 based irc clients.
[07:26] <notbobdole> heycam, shot in the dark: https://ryanclouser.com/2015/07/16/GNOME-3-14-HiDPI-Scaling-4K/
[07:26] <tomreyn> but i guess they're very young projects
[07:27] <notbobdole> gtk3 is relatively young if I am not mistaken though. So not sure what to expect. I just didn't see many people recommending it (specifically when talking about hexhcat alternatives)
[07:28] <notbobdole> I'm just bashing my head in a wall trying to compile a kernel. Failing. but at least there is an effort.
[07:31] <heycam> tomreyn: notbobdole: thanks for your help
[07:41] <gmish_> has anyone had any luck playing fortnite on linux?
[07:43] <notbobdole> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/9p371j/fortnite_is_working_again_on_wine/
[07:44] <notbobdole> It breaks and works. gmish_ their anti-cheat isn't yet accepting wine translations it seems. Give it a couple months imo.
[07:49] <roobesh> Hello, using 18.04 / kernel 4.15.0-39-generic. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11417187/getsockopt-so-original-dst-occasionally-returns-client-address
[07:50] <roobesh> getsockopt( ... SOL_IP, SO_ORIGINAL_DST ... ), occassionally responding wrong data source IP, instead of destination IP.
[07:50] <roobesh> Is there a bug filed for this already (or) somewhere a log noting this ?
[07:51] <ducasse> roobesh: ypu really need to search launchpad to find out if there is an existing bug
[07:54] <roobesh> Thanks ducasse, i will check over here ubuntu-bugs and launchpad
[08:58] <AuroraAvenue> How Do I log into communitheme from Ubuntu Budgie (there is no environment changer in the log-in screen) ?
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> AuroraAvenue: i think the communitytheme is for ubuntu-desktop
[09:00] <AuroraAvenue> but a desktop environment should work ant desktop? Anyway - I am ignoring YOU - because all you do is be pessimistic.
[09:01] <AuroraAvenue> **any
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> your choice AuroraAvenue sure
[09:02] <ducasse> AuroraAvenue: pretty sure he is right, the communitytheme is for ubuntu-desktop
[09:03] <AuroraAvenue> oh okay - but how do i change a desktop in ubuntu-budgie?
[09:03] <AuroraAvenue> and thanks.
[09:04] <ducasse> you install the desktop you want and choose at the login screen
[09:04] <AuroraAvenue> but there is no option to "switch" in the menu.. I shall try again ..
[09:05] <ducasse> you might need to restart your display manager
[09:09] <nolsen> So I'm guessing ubuntu didn't install anything during the first installation, and now I need drivers for RTL8821CE, how do I install them for 18.10?
[09:10] <nolsen> by install anything, I mean install all the proprietary crap after the base install.
[09:14] <AuroraAvenue> Also when i watch youtube I have to move the mouse every minute, or so, to keep the video playing. Sound okay, but video jurkey.
[09:17] <ducasse> might be a problem with your video drivers, which gpu and driver is this?
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> nolsen: the drivers in ubuntu should be loaded automaticly, if not there might be some problems in dmesg/syslog
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> nolsen: realtek is also pretty picky on kernel versions you might want to boot other kernels as a test
[09:25] <ducasse> nolsen: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1071299/how-to-install-wi-fi-driver-for-realtek-rtl8821ce-on-ubuntu-18-04
[09:25] <ducasse> ^^ first google hit
[09:27] <nolsen> ducasse: Yeah I am using the github method now, it works.
[09:27] <nolsen> Is that seriously the only option right now?
[09:28] <ducasse> seems so
[09:28] <ducasse> better option: don't buy realtek
[09:28] <nolsen> If that was a choice
[09:28] <nolsen> I mean it is, but
[09:28] <nolsen> Really hard to avoid
[09:29] <nolsen> When most of the laptops cram realtek
[09:40] <AuroraAvenue> ducasse, its a standard thinkpad X201 - do I need extra drivers? Didn't think so.
[09:40] <AuroraAvenue> eed to get the fan cleaned at some point.
[09:40] <AuroraAvenue> **need
[09:41] <AuroraAvenue> Anyone have an old System76 they wanna get rid of ?
[09:42] <ducasse> try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic instead of here
[09:42] <AuroraAvenue> k, sorry.
[09:43] <AuroraAvenue> I've gotta go - laters. & thanks.
[10:50] <TheoX> hi
[10:50] <TheoX> i need help
[10:50] <TheoX> i have imac late 2013
[10:50] <TheoX> i want to dualboot with ubuntu
[10:51] <TheoX> does ubuntu support apfs+ file system
[10:56] <Sia-> Hi, where should i put the plugin in Audacity via Snap?
[10:56] <Sia-> because "~/.audacity-files/plug-ins" doesn't exist in the snap dir either
[10:57] <tomreyn> hi TheoX. you should have separate partitions or storages to boot OS X and ubuntu
[10:58] <tomreyn> TheoX: grub, the boot loader ubuntu uises, can actually boot off HFS+ file systems, but i don't think linux can boot off it. or if it can, that this wuold be a good idea.
[11:01] <Sia-> do you have snap channel anywhere?
[11:02] <tomreyn> Sia-: your ~/.audacity-files/plug-ins would normally be accessible to a snap, from what i read.
[11:03] <tomreyn> there is #snap, i think
[11:03] <tomreyn> or is it #snapcraft?
[11:03] <Sia-> no doesn't exist
[11:04] <tomreyn> #snappy
[11:09] <TheoX> im installing ubuntu now
[11:09] <TheoX> on drive /sda
[11:09] <TheoX> i installed the boot
[11:10] <TheoX> and on /sda5 i installed the linux which is a free space
[11:11] <TheoX> i have windows 10 pro on ssd drive
[11:11] <TheoX> and mac osx mavericks and mojave and ubuntu on my hdd
[11:13] <Gregor3000> Hello, i bought a separate drive for a dual boot system (winXP+linux) because the windows disk doesn't have enough space at the start. so i plan to install grub and OS on sdb, and for that i guess i should use the mnaul configuration. but i dont' know what i should be carefull with in the settings. this is a MBR system. back in the days you would create / and /swap. but what about now? do i need anything else? do i need /swap or is the
[11:13] <Gregor3000> file used nowadays?
[11:14] <Gregor3000> i have 4 GB ram, but soem games will be played, so i guess i can expect swapping.
[11:16] <Gregor3000> it's a 2TB drive is it OK to have only one partition with ext4?
[11:19] <tomreyn> Gregor3000: if you don't need anything fancy such as full disk encryption, lvm or raid, you should be fine witrh a single partition for /
[11:19] <tomreyn> Gregor3000: it's common to use swap files now.
[11:19] <tomreyn> (not partitions)
[11:20] <Gregor3000> tomreyn: so basically all i need to do is pu grub on /dev/sdb, create a root partition and the swap file will be created later on automatically?
[11:20] <tomreyn> Gregor3000: i would not recommend to risk the integrity of the ubuntu installation by dual-booting it with another unsupported / EOL OS.
[11:21] <tomreyn> putting grub on sdb (2nd bios hdd) won't get you to load grub unless you'll have the bios boot order changed.
[11:21] <Gregor3000> the winxp is on separate disk. it will be used to run old games taht don't work in wine, while i want to move everything else (internet etc.) to Ubuntu.
[11:21] <Gregor3000> yes i also need to change the boot order in bios
[11:22] <cred> tomreyn: the second OS being EOL has nothing to do with the "integrity" of the ubuntu installation
[11:22] <cred> at least not any more than just installing Win 10
[11:22] <cred> that being said running XP for any reason is bad on its own
[11:22] <cred> but if you disable networking in XP you'll be fine, you don't need it for older games
[11:24] <Gregor3000> windows xp has firewall and antivirus. thewre is another firewall in the routed. it is quite ok. but problem is it is much less safe than any updated OS.
[11:24] <tomreyn> cred: if you run an insecure OS on the system, whic had write access to all storages, sure it does put integrity of all storages and thus all installed software (and OS) at risk
[11:24] <tomreyn> *which has
[11:24] <Gregor3000> i started to install Kubuntu on default when i remembered that it might try to put grub on sda, so i aborted, then it got me thinking i dont' know the new partition i would need an di remembered i also read abotu swap files being used now.
[11:25] <cred> depends on how you're using XP. If you're not exposing it to the Internet the risk of infection is tiny
[11:26] <cred> also, I'm not sure what kind of threat surface you're talking about. You're saying that there's 0day unpatched malware for XP that writes Linux partitions to target Linux installations?
[11:26] <tomreyn> cred: i disagree, but this is not the right place to discuss it
[11:26] <Gregor3000> cred: at the moment it is exposed through browser, though i have script blocker and alow very few sites to run the scripts
[11:26] <cred> It sounds silly that someone would put so much work into a small demography like dual booters
[11:26] <Gregor3000> anyway, i need root and that's it. swap file is created automatically or if not can be created later, right?
[11:27] <cred> Gregor3000: You're risking your entire system by running XP, as long as you understand that, fine
[11:27] <Gregor3000> and grub goed on /dev/sdb right? then i can use grub script to boot to windows XP.
[11:27] <Gregor3000> i understand, which is why i will try to move as much stuff as possibel to linux.
[11:28] <sonOfRa> note that if your linux partitions aren't encrypted, they are still at risk of being read. They are *always* at risk of being destroyed.
[11:28] <Gregor3000> winXP will then be used for lan games and some old games that can't run in wine. the PC is very old but got updated, so it can run FPS games to about 2009, 2010.
[11:28] <cred> Gregor3000: swap is not necessary for the system to function.
[11:28] <cred> Gregor3000: the reason *why* you're using XP is irrelevant, you're running an EOL operating system on your box that will not be patched, your exposing yourself to data loss as best, being rooted at the worst
[11:28] <Gregor3000> but if PC is on overnight and goes to "sleep" then swap is used, right?
[11:29] <TJ-> swap will help avoid OOMs on 4GiB
[11:29] <cred> swap is used for hibernation (no power used), not suspension (low power usage) AFAIK
[11:29] <TJ-> Gregor3000: sleep is usually S3 suspend, where power is retained to preserve RAM. Hibernate (S4) is when RAM content is saved to disk
[11:29] <Gregor3000> ok hibernation
[11:29] <tomreyn> Gregor3000: the ubuntu installer can actually install to the first disk, too, if you would prefer this. it can shrink the existing windows installation, replace the boot loader and make it chainload into windows.
[11:30] <Gregor3000> i would need to move windows instalation. the first disk has 3 partitions plus empty disk space. anyway i think it will be safer and easier to do it all on second disk.
[11:31] <TJ-> Gregor3000: makes sense; don't upset the Windows install :)
[11:31] <Gregor3000> if i make windows parittions move, then i need to do another full backup /image...
[11:31] <cred> Is there a reason why you don't want a swap partition?
[11:31] <TJ-> Gregor3000: with 2 disks the boot-loaders wiil not over-write each other either... just MAKE SURE when installing Ubuntu, at the BOOTLOADER device choice stage, you choose the NEW DISK!
[11:32] <tomreyn> Gregor3000: separate disks should work. consider having a separate /home directory so you'll be able to reinstall ubuntu without having to restore your personal data from backups.
[11:32] <Gregor3000> its not that i don't want swap i am asking if i need to make a partition or is the file supposed to be handling that nowadays. if partition is better i will create on at the end of the disk.
[11:32] <cred> just go ahead and create a swap partition of the recommended size unless you have a good reason not to
[11:33] <cred> the installer will suggest it for you
[11:33] <Gregor3000> ok
[11:33] <cred> if you're installing on a separate disk you can just use the guided partition in the ubuntu install and it will select everything for you, it will later detect other OS:es on your system and add it to your grub menu, just make sure your BIOS is set to boot your linux disk first so you actually get grub
[11:34] <cred> and one of the things it will do for you is decide the swap partition size
[11:35] <Gregor3000> separate /home is ok, but i will have data backed up automatically anyway. and then you need ot decide on the home size. and not all games and apps install to home. as i know some use other folders as well. so if i created 100 gb root it could happen i would run out of space if certain games installed into other folders.
[11:35] <Gregor3000> cred: but guided partition will probably try to install grub to sda right?
[11:36] <Gregor3000> and it should be on sdb
[11:36] <cred> Gregor3000: it should detect Windows so you'd have to explicitly say "overwrite this disk" I think
[11:36] <cred> I don't have time to test but I'd think it would see the second disk and allow you to overwrite that one completely
[11:36] <TJ-> Gregor3000: the boot-loader choice comes at the end, not whilst partitioning
[11:37] <Gregor3000> yes it did that, but i aborted it at 68%
[11:37] <Gregor3000> oh so it iwll ask where to put the grub?
[11:37] <thyriaen> My system does not seem to find a OpenCL2.0 platform and i am wondering what kind of packages i need to achive this - clinfo output is : https://hastebin.com/divufehaze.js
[11:37] <TJ-> Gregor3000: yes, as I said above, that is when you have to be sure to select the correct device!
[11:37] <Gregor3000> i wasnt' sure it would do that so i aborted
[11:37] <cred> if you're using the guided install I don't think it asks you, but if it does obviously it shouldn't go on your Windows disk
[11:37] <Gregor3000> i will check online...
[11:38] <TJ-> Gregor3000: all the questions should be asked BEFORE the installer starts copying files, so if it got to 60% you missed the questeion
[11:39] <tomreyn> on the desktop installer, with manual parititoning, the grub install taget is a drop down box on the bottom of the same screen where you do the manual partitioning
[11:40] <TJ-> Is it? So long since I used an installer but I thought with guided it's a 'final' question page
[11:40] <sam_wong> I am running ubuntu 18.04 with an old computer that doesn't provide a M.2 SSD slot. However, my mother board has two PCIe X 16 slots (cross fire) and only one of them is being occupied by a display card. I just want to know if it is possible to insert a M.2 SSD adapter into the unoccupied slot.
[11:40] <tomreyn> that's how it is with d-i
[11:42] <TJ-> is this still representitive of the boot-device question? https://imgur.com/WgzKD8K
[11:43] <Gregor3000> ok so i guess i will just go manual. most guides recomend it if installed doens't notice windows and offers the "alongside" option
[11:44] <Gregor3000> tj-: that the manual instal the "something else" option
[11:45] <Gregor3000> ok, so 18.04, take two.... see you on the other side... i hope.
[11:45] <TJ-> Gregor3000: ahh; All my installs are either cloned images or debootstrap-ed
[12:01] <Mylon> lotuspsychje: There is no error message.  That's the problem.  Discover is simply stuck and not doing anything.
[12:12] <Mylon> Trying to reboot, I get "logout cancelled by ../discover"
[12:13] <Mylon> Discover is stuck at "Update - Installing" at 0%.
[12:17] <Mylon> I ended up killing the process.  apt-get seems to be working fine.
[12:22] <Hackerpcs> I'm on server 18.10 with xfce installed. CPU graph panel plugin somehow disappeared, can I reinstall it?
[12:35] <MrGaruda> hi
[12:35] <MrGaruda> greetings
[12:35] <Mylon> Salutations.
[12:36] <MrGaruda> anyone has cpanel access?
[12:38] <tomreyn> yes i think so (haven't tried 18.10, but it shjould be in 18.04)  <TJ-> is this still representitive of the boot-device question? https://imgur.com/WgzKD8K
[12:39] <knstn> I guess 18.04.1 supports ryzen apu, correct?
[12:39] <ryuo> knstn: not really. you'll need to wait for HWE to get full support.
[12:39] <ryuo> that usually lands in .2
[12:40] <knstn> But but, support added since kernel 4.10
[12:40] <ryuo> knstn: fine, enjoy the stability issues. :)
[12:40] <ryuo> i've used AMD for years. new support takes time to stabilize.
[12:41] <tomreyn> knstn: 18.04.1 comes with 4.15. 4.18 is available via HWE packages in 'proposed'
[12:42] <knstn> I was looking for support in debian, which can be done if you backport 4.18, an xorg update, and proprietary amd firmware for vega gpu. Isn't there a workaround in ubuntu?
[12:43] <tomreyn> it's probably a similar situation, maybe it also works out of the box on 18.10, but i'd rather suggest installing 18.04 with a ppa
[12:44] <tomreyn> maybe it also works out of the box on 18.04, just give it a try.
[12:46] <knstn> let me duckduckgo it for a while,i guess there will be something to be done
[12:46] <ryuo> knstn: yes, well, ryzen's video drivers didn't land until 4.15.x, and that's not very old.
[12:46] <ryuo> knstn: so running very recent kernels are a good idea for AMD Ryzen to work properly.
[12:47] <ryuo> It's just how Linux is with new hardware.  Changing the behavior of different kind of taps is there, but it's all grayed out.
[12:54] <knstn> :ryuo :tomreyn I found out that for optimal support and performance, you need kernel 4.16 & Mesa 18.0. What's the cycly in ubuntu to get those?
[12:56] <ryuo> knstn: it'll be in 18.04.2 most likely.
[12:56] <ryuo> knstn: that's when HWE is normally deployed with LTS for the first time.
[12:57] <knstn> This comes in April?
[12:58] <ryuo> knstn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[12:59] <tomreyn> knstn: i already told you, see above
 knstn: 18.04.1 comes with 4.15. 4.18 is available via HWE packages in 'proposed'
[13:00] <tomreyn> (note that "proposed" is not supported, may result in packages breaking.)
[13:01] <ioria> the cosmic kernel is now available in the regular bionic repo (i don't know why) , but not the xorg one
[13:01] <ioria> !info  linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[13:03] <tomreyn> oh right, the HWE landed in bionic already
[13:04] <knstn> 40 days for .2  I can live with that. I'll wait, since i urgently need hardware upgrade. Maybe there are price reductions, since amd brings out ryzen 3.
[13:11] <chalcedny> could someone talk about Canon printers with me? my husband had to get a new one. he's running ubuntu 16.04, the printer is a canon Canon PIXMA TS9120
[13:15] <knstn> Here show drivers for linux and setup: https://www.canonsoftwaredriver.com/canon-pixma-ts9120-setup-driver/
[13:16] <knstn> :chalcedny
[13:16] <tomreyn> also here (official website) https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/printers/inkjet-multifunction/ts-series-inkjet/pixma-ts9120-gray-wireless-all-in-one-inkjet-printer/pixma-ts9120?tab=drivers_downloads
[13:19] <bobrosswins> I'm having sound issues on 18.04. Same as this user. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1097694/buzzy-sound-msi-b450-mortar-ubuntu-18-04
[13:19] <bobrosswins> Any suggestions?
[13:19] <tomreyn> chalcedny: you could end up with cnijfilter2-5.50-1-deb.tar.gz (printer) + scangearmp2-3.50-1-deb.tar.gz (scanner)
[13:34] <chalcedny> ooh!!!
[13:34] <chalcedny> tomreyn, wow thanks looking!
[13:43] <salty2011> hi all
[13:44] <salty2011> Anyone able to help me with a screen tearing issue in Ubuntu 18.04/10 with nvidia drivers
[14:02] <thyriaen> So i have used to uuku to install the kernel to 4.20 ( from 4.15 ) - it was successful said "installed" i rebooted and it booted to my old 4.15 then i checked `dpkg --list | grep linux-image` and it says that the new kernel is "unisgned" - what is up with that and how do i get it running ?
[14:05] <salty2011> seems to be very quiet in here
[14:47] <reallymemorable> I have a huge process running on an unbuntu EC2 image so I ran `nohup sh filename.sh`
[14:47] <reallymemorable> and it says this: nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'
[14:47] <reallymemorable> Does this mean it's running properly?
[14:47] <reallymemorable> I don't see any status info like I usually do when running the bash script
[14:49] <enzotib> reallymemorable: it is normal
[14:49] <thyriaen> So i have installed the last signed kernel i could find but it won't boot from it there is no grup option available
[14:49] <thyriaen> https://hastebin.com/ihocuyawet.sql
[14:50] <reallymemorable> enzotib: so it's running?
[14:51] <reallymemorable> this process will take a few days to complete
[14:51] <reallymemorable> so it would suck if it's just stopped and I dont know it
[14:52] <reallymemorable> Also, if it's working, I assume I can terminate my SSH connection, correct?
[14:52] <reallymemorable> without interrupting the process?
[14:55] <chomwitt> trying to reinstall grub2 from a live 18.04dvd and following steps sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev &&  wont execute with msg: /mnt/dev point doest not exist
[14:55] <OerHeks> thyriaen, what guide did you follow? did you run update-grub after that?
[14:55] <chomwitt> https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[14:56] <thyriaen> Oner, yes as you can see here https://hastebin.com/ihocuyawet.sql
[14:57] <chomwitt> OerHeks: in the past i had no problem mounting dev , pts , proc etc
[15:00] <OerHeks> thyriaen, so what is the issue, you cannog find the grub menu with that entry 4.18.0-13 ?
[15:01] <thyriaen> OerHeks, there is no such entry
[15:02] <thyriaen> grub only shows 4 options under "advanced options" and they are all 4.15
[15:02] <OerHeks> remove some old kernels wit apt autoremove, not sure what might be wrong
[15:03] <thyriaen> none removed with autoremove
[15:04] <thyriaen> do you know why all the kernels are unsigned ?
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: Do you have any PPAs installed on your machine, have you compiled or installed any kernels not provided directly from Canonical/Ubuntu?
[15:06] <OerHeks> 4.15.0-43 suggsts you are on bionic, 4.18.0-13.14~18.04.1 is a HWE kernel
[15:06] <OerHeks> and is this manjaro ?
[15:06] <thyriaen> i am on ubuntu, 18.04
[15:07] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, no ppas kernel related - and i have only used the kernels from the ubuntu repositories
[15:08] <thyriaen> ( with uuku i tried 4.20 and 4.19 , those were unsigned so i manually searched through the repositories then and i found a signed 4.18.0-13.14~18.04 and tried it
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: My intention was do you have any PPAs installed. While unintentional, the maintainers of those PPAs may have included a Kernel package. So I wouldn't recommend assuming they're not causing issues.
[15:09] <OerHeks> oh, that explains it, i see <IP_ADDRESS>.63 only in my 18.04
[15:10] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, ah
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: It's one of the many reasons this many in this channel helpers will suggest removing PPAs to rule out the possibility they've installed or updated packages
[15:11] <OerHeks> thyriaen,  and look at the mainline wiki, you just installed 2 packages
[15:11] <OerHeks> !mainline
[15:11] <OerHeks> headers image modules
[15:13] <thyriaen> yea OerHeks, https://hastebin.com/rijipihoya.sql
[15:13]  * chomwitt ok, my problem solved, i've mounted initiallu the wrong drive
[15:13] <thyriaen> i only installed 2 because the 3rd was a dependency of one of the two
[15:13] <thyriaen> so it got installed in the process
[15:16] <OerHeks> thyriaen, i have no clue here, if you added HWE, it should be easy
[15:16] <thyriaen> hwe ?
[15:17] <OerHeks> !hwe
[15:18] <thyriaen> OerHeks, i did not choose the hwe version
[15:19] <thyriaen> OerHeks, i picked linux-headers-4.18.0-13/bionic-updates,bionic-updates,bionic-security,bionic-security,now 4.18.0-13.14~18.04.1 all [installed,automatic]
[15:19] <myself> I just accudentally scrolled myself onto another.... virtual monitor? second desktop? or something? and I was able to scroll back, but now I can't seem to make it happen again. What's this function called, so I can learn more?
[15:19] <myself> I was trying to scroll a webpage in firefox and suddenly I got this windowshade-like animation and a blank desktop
[15:19] <OerHeks> but 18.04 does not bring 4.18 without hwe, manually install is nto correct
[15:20] <OerHeks> remove your added kernel and follow hwe
[15:20] <thyriaen> OerHeks, ok - what is the difference between lowlatency and normal ?
[15:21] <OerHeks> lowlatency is a dedicated kernel for audio/video production
[15:22] <OerHeks> see ubuntu-studio
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> myself: If you scroll while your mouse is hovering over a portion of the desktop, it will "scroll" through the virtual desktops. Also, I believe that if you hold ctrl + alt (or some combination) and scroll your mouse wheel it will change virtual desktop
[15:24] <myself> pragmaticenigma: oh interesting! I had firefox fullscreened but the mouse pointer was right over at the edge of the window, I wonder if that was close enough to desktop...
[15:24] <myself> Aha! Okay, got it. There are tiny regions of the task switcher, in between the icons, that count as desktop.
[15:26] <myself> Thank you. That explains why it was so hard to reproduce.
[15:28] <iosecure> OerHeks: 18.04 will provide 4.18 at install-time starting in Feb.
[15:29] <OerHeks> oh, good to know, thnx
[15:29] <OerHeks> i just read in ##linux that he might have a wrong boot EFI partition
[15:29] <OerHeks> i like that, crossposting, without details that matters
[15:29] <iosecure> Nice.
[15:31] <iosecure> OerHeks: Yeah, the LTS releases ship the original (GA) kernel for the initial release and .1, and then starting with .2, each subsequent point release will ship the previous non-LTS release's kernel. So 18.04.2 (Feb 2019) will ship 18.10's kernel. 18.04.3 (Oct 2019), will ship 19.04's kernel, etc.
[15:33] <iosecure> That won't affect current systems, mind you. Only newly-installed ones. The original kernel is supported for the entire lifetime of the release. Each HWE kernel is supported only until the next one is released.
[15:35] <Sia-> Hi, want to build video editing pc (not gaming) for linux. which one do you prefer AMD or Intel?
[15:36] <Sia-> fast rendering and no lags
[15:36] <iosecure> Sia-: Not really an Ubuntu support question, and it's completely opinion-based.
[15:36] <Sia-> i need it for ubuntu
[15:37] <Sia-> is amd linux friendly as intel and nvidia?
[15:37] <OerHeks> video edditting requires a good videocard, intel or amd CPU does not really matter
[15:37] <Sia-> OerHeks, kdenlive use the cpu to rendering and the gpu rendering is still bugy
[15:37] <iosecure> Sia-: Still doesn't make it an Ubuntu question. And Nvidia is hardly Linux friendly.
[15:38] <OerHeks> slashd, really? never noticed
[15:38] <cryptodan> iosecure: I prefer nvidia over amd on any system regardless of OS
[15:38] <OerHeks>  open nvidia drvers are pretty good these days
[15:39] <shibboleth> open nvidia drivers?
[15:39] <iosecure> cryptodan: Fine, but that doesn't make nvidia Linux friendly. :P
[15:39] <OerHeks> err nvidia is a GPU and intel and amd are CPU's
[15:39] <cryptodan> no nvidia-415
[15:39] <shibboleth> that's a load of crock
[15:39] <iosecure> There are no open nvidia drivers. There's nouveau, and its progress is a credit to its developers, not nvidia.
[15:39] <cryptodan> OerHeks: AMD owns ATI
[15:39] <cryptodan> nouveau sucks
[15:40] <shibboleth> nouveau is reverse-engineered djenga-tower of black magic and curshed souls
[15:40] <iosecure> Compared to the closed drivers, yes.
[15:40] <iosecure> But given nvidia's "screw you" stance, I'm surprised its where its at.
[15:40] <reallymemorable> can I ssh into the same machine twice with same credentials"
[15:40] <reallymemorable> ?*
[15:40] <OerHeks> .. i think you know enough and need no help
[15:40] <iosecure> reallymemorable: Yes.
[15:40] <shibboleth> crushed souls even.  i'm gonnna have too admit that the prop nvidia drivers are more often less of a pain to gget working on linux though
[15:41] <shibboleth> amdgpu usually does its thing quite well (very new official open source drivers)
[15:41] <cryptodan> shibboleth: only if your card is supported and is gcn
[15:42] <shibboleth> amdgpu-pro is there to provide advanced functionality like opencl accel and other stuff and hot damn do amd ama
[15:42] <cryptodan> shibboleth: no they arent they are very easy to install
[15:42] <Sia-> i'm using nvidia drive for GTX 710 via ppa, working perfectly. but can't use it to rendering because of kdenlive
[15:42] <shibboleth> amdgpu-pro is there to provide advanced functionality like opencl accel and other stuff and hot damn do amd manage to screw up releases
[15:42] <shibboleth> amdgpu is included in the kernel, amdgpu-pro can be a PITA to get working
[15:42] <reallymemorable> https://paste.ofcode.org/39j3Dx8Du37hjjCTcDLsTFi
[15:42] <reallymemorable> Does that mean my script stopped?
[15:43] <cryptodan> shibboleth: https://termbin.com/u1bt took me less than 2 minutes for nvidia drivers to work
[15:43] <iosecure> reallymemorable: It says killed, so I'm going to assume so.
[15:43] <shibboleth> also doesn't when distros like ubuntu make radical changes to old kernels breaking the amdgpu-pro versions that support said kernels...
[15:43] <iosecure> cryptodan: shibboleth said that they're less of a pain to get working.
[15:43] <reallymemorable> iosecure: how can I see why
[15:43] <shibboleth> cryptodan, as i've said, prop nv drivers are usually ready for release :)
[15:43] <iosecure> reallymemorable: I have no idea what your script does.
[15:44] <cryptodan> shibboleth: then i guess i mistook your statements as saying nvidia drivers are painful to install
[15:44] <reallymemorable> It downloads a bunch of zip files, unzips them, writes them to Postgres
[15:44] <reallymemorable> It ran fine locally from my machine
[15:44] <reallymemorable> but it takes a long time so i put it on EC2
[15:44] <iosecure> I have no idea why your script is getting killed.
[15:44] <iosecure> I lack any kind of data.
[15:45] <shibboleth> to be clear: nv prop drivers are usually smooth sailing (but are closed and license in flux)
[15:45] <reallymemorable> https://paste.ofcode.org/P2MnWrRduD74G4FMBCDKpK
[15:45] <reallymemorable> thats the script
[15:46] <reallymemorable> It got to step 3 then stopped
[15:47] <iosecure> reallymemorable: I don't really think that this channel is the right forum for this issue. We help with Ubuntu-related issues, which this does not seem to be.
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> reallymemorable: This isn't the best channel for programming help. You should check out a more dedicated chanell for bash scripting
[15:47] <reallymemorable> ok
[15:47] <reallymemorable> thanks
[16:00] <qwebirc22378> Hey
[16:00] <qwebirc22378> I'm on 18.10 and seeing some weird dock behaviour
[16:00] <qwebirc22378> For example, Calculator and Calendar have been closed, but will not dissapear from the dock
[16:01] <qwebirc22378> and Atom, installed and running will not appear on it
[16:01] <qwebirc22378> from time to time
[16:02] <OerHeks> qwebirc22378, calculator and calendar are locked on the dock i guess, add Atom manually when running, right mouse > add to favorites
[16:03] <OerHeks> will not appear on it " from time to time " makes no sense
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> well
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> no they are not
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> If I right click calculator
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> or calendar
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> I can "Add to favorites"
[16:03] <TJ-> Could that to be to do with snaps?
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> and for atom, there
[16:03] <qwebirc22378> 's nothing to click on
[16:04] <qwebirc22378> See https://imgur.com/a/C7lVvPX
[16:04] <qwebirc22378> for what I see...
[16:04] <rapidwave> Having a menu problem https://imgur.com/a/LBpPVTk
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: From what I am aware, Vivaldi browser is not available in Ubuntu's offical software repositories. You will have to contact the developer directly for support.
[16:08] <rapidwave> No, the problem is with Ubuntu's program menu, not the browser
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: Can you recreate the issue in a supported application?
[16:10] <rapidwave> Forget about all applications..only pay attention the the black/grey menu you see
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: I just told you, Vivaldi isn't supported here. The application is resposible for sending instructions to the window manager to draw the menu. If other applications are not doing that, then it is not the fault of Ubuntu
[16:12] <qwebirc22378> What about mine?
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: or you will have to be more specific about what you are seeing... a picture doesn't tell us what is troubling you
[16:12] <rapidwave> Take anither look. I'm not looking for browser help https://imgur.com/a/OhTXfNW
[16:13] <rapidwave> SOme menu items are blacnk
[16:13] <rapidwave> blank
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> !details | rapidwave
[16:13] <JimBuntu> I see broken links in that menu.
[16:13] <rapidwave> Well...how do I fix that
[16:14] <tda> it looks like you have configurations from two different DEs
[16:14] <OerHeks> good spot, tda
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc22378: The picture doesn't provide enough information, all I see a screen shot of your current desktop, nothing to indicate you attempted to show us any of the items OerHeks had mentioned
[16:14] <ioria> qwebirc22378, are you in the Wayland session ?
[16:15] <qwebirc22378> Any way to determine that without logging out? AFAIK, none
[16:15] <qwebirc22378> pragmaticenigma: You can clearly see atom running, without an icon present in the doc
[16:15] <qwebirc22378> pragmaticenigma: You can clearly see atom running, without an icon present in the dock
[16:16] <tda> can you rclick on kicker, edit its settings, and remove the broken entries
[16:16] <ioria> qwebirc22378, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:16] <qwebirc22378> and calculator and text editor in dock, not open and definately not locked to it by me
[16:16] <qwebirc22378> x11
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc22378: No, you're assuming I know what icon would belong to Atom and that it is missing.
[16:18] <iosecure> pragmaticenigma: He did say that earlier. "and for atom, there's nothing to click on"
[16:20] <OerHeks> "  Calculator and Calendar have been closed, but will not dissapear  from the dock" .. i see no calendar on https://imgur.com/a/C7lVvPX i do see a notepad , not atom, how did you install atom ?
[16:20] <tda> edit your widgets
[16:20] <tda> for atom to show up on the menu, it should have a file in /usr/share/applications
[16:21] <OerHeks> sounds like a bug in ppa:webupd8team/atom
[16:21] <lhavelund>  /w 18
[16:22] <qwebirc22378> kjartan, did I say calendar? Meant text editor
[16:22] <iosecure> The keys are just so close together.
[16:22] <qwebirc22378> atom was installed from the deb they provide
[16:23] <ioria> qwebirc22378, not snap ?
[16:23] <OerHeks> they?
[16:23] <qwebirc22378> I tried that too
[16:23] <qwebirc22378> no luck
[16:23] <ioria> qwebirc22378,  set a custom .desktop file
[16:23] <OerHeks> a ppa is not supported by us
[16:23] <tda> dpkg -S atom
[16:23] <qwebirc22378> even the ubuntu software thing won't show up on the dock :/
[16:24] <tda> or whatever the package's name is. that will show you all the files it provides. does it have a .desktop file?
[16:24] <OerHeks> maybe it is a theme/icon thingy ..
[16:29] <qwebirc22378> Default theme
[16:29] <qwebirc22378> haven't changed it
[16:30] <ioria> qwebirc22378,  gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme
[16:33] <stef204> hi, I need to take control remotely of a friend's computer on a different continent, so I can upgrade her system from 15+ to 16.04 LTS
[16:33] <stef204> she is really not skilled in IT so it will be difficult to get her to do much beyond installing a package
[16:33] <ioria> stef204, teamviewer ?
[16:33] <tda> sheesh, you're upgrading her computer for her and she still won't have you over?
[16:33] <stef204> ioria: I am trying to avoid TeamVieer and would prefer VNC
[16:34] <stef204> tda: she's on a different continent
[16:34] <iosecure> VNC is horrendously insecure, and would require the same setup as setting up SSH.
[16:34] <stef204> and married to one of my best friends (additional pressure!)
[16:34] <stef204> SSH would mean she would need sshd runnig
[16:34] <stef204> *running
[16:35] <stef204> That's not going to happen, she is completely unskilled in anything IT
[16:35] <OerHeks> 15+ ... follow the EOLupgrade wiki
[16:35] <ioria> stef204,  no, means she needs a public ip
[16:35] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[16:35] <stef204> ioria: and an SSHD
[16:35] <iosecure> stef204: Uh, and getting VNC working with port forwards, etc, is going to be easier?
[16:36] <OerHeks> x2go is easier, over :80
[16:36] <stef204> her hardware is old and very likely will not support 18+
[16:36] <stef204> but that's not the issue
[16:36] <qwebirc22378> Soo.. me takes it me is screwed with this bug
[16:36] <stef204> iosecure: I don't know, it depends, if I can get her to go into vino-preferences, etc.  Like here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/155477/how-do-i-remotely-control-another-ubuntu-desktop-from-ubuntu
[16:37] <iosecure> That still requires port forwarding, etc.
[16:37] <stef204> and she has a public IP, everyone on the net does, that's easy for me to obtain
[16:37] <iosecure> And, again: VNC is incredibly insecure.
[16:38] <OerHeks> qwebirc22378, file a bug to the maintainer of the repo you used for atom
[16:38] <iosecure> Assuming she's behind a router as most are, you'll have to walk her through port forwarding from her public IP to her system.
[16:38] <stef204> she is undoubtedly behind a common router like Time Warner or something of the sort
[16:39] <ioria> qwebirc22378,  you got that we don't even know how did you install the pkg ?  have you listet it for a .desktop file ?
[16:39] <stef204> I can port scan her, with her approval, and see if anything open
[16:39] <iosecure> stef204: That's not how port forwarding works.
[16:39] <stef204> iosecure: is he has a port open, I can likely use that with VNC
[16:39] <iosecure> stef204: It requires manual configuration from your friend's end.
[16:39] <iosecure> That's not how port forwarding works.
[16:39] <stef204> likely but not necessarily
[16:40] <iosecure> That's NOT how port forwarding works.
[16:40] <qwebirc22378> I just reinstalled
[16:40] <qwebirc22378> the snap
[16:40] <iosecure> I'm going to keep saying it until it sinks in.
[16:40] <qwebirc22378> still NO icon
[16:40] <stef204> iosecure: not true, I remote vnc on a open port xxxx (which I port scanned ahead of time and confirmed open) and it works just fine
[16:41] <stef204> because it is open in the FW
[16:41] <iosecure> stef204: Then it was preconfigured. A port being open in a firewall != port forwarding.
[16:41] <iosecure> Again: That's not how port forwarding works. No amount of arguing on your part is going to change how this works.
[16:41] <stef204> whatever, the fact is port is open in the case I am referring to
[16:41] <iosecure> Open port != forwarded port.
[16:42] <hggdh> iosecure: enough, please
[16:42] <stef204> thanks
[16:42] <iosecure> hggdh: No.
[16:42] <ioria> qwebirc22378,  ls  /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/ | grep atom
[16:42] <OerHeks> qwebirc22378, how odd, i just installed sudo snap install atom --classic and i see no issues
[16:42] <stef204> anyway, let's move on. I need to find a solution to upgrade her
[16:42] <iosecure> stef204: You came in with a specific request. We're trying to help you into that solution. Instead, you keep hyper-focusing on a specific idea that we're telling you is not a good idea.
[16:43] <OerHeks> but i have a different icon theme, the real standard that comes with 18.04 gnome
[16:43] <stef204> and she is not at all up to it, she will just mess things up, which is why I need to do it remotely
[16:43] <hggdh> iosecure: no argument on our side is going to change their (wrong) understanding. So. please stop.
[16:43] <iosecure> stef204: Something that is 1) secure and 2) does not require manual network configuration on their end is going to be your best option. TeamViewer, as said previously, meets point #2, and arguably point #1.
[16:44] <OerHeks> https://imgur.com/a/06IcHZz
[16:44] <iosecure> hggdh: No.
[16:45] <stef204> you're saying the open port configured at some point to forward to 192.168.xx.xxx and someone completely forgot about it, then I came along, plugged into network and got assigned that IP dynamically by chance and it just happened by luck that there was a forward from port xxxx to 192.168.xxx.xx
[16:45] <ioria> OerHeks, it's the green ball ?
[16:45] <stef204> I guess that\s basically what you are saying
[16:45] <OerHeks> ioria, jups
[16:45] <iosecure> stef204: Yes. That's how port forwarding works. I'm not going to continue arguing this point.
[16:45] <stef204> iosecure: ?
[16:45] <ioria> OerHeks, ok
[16:46] <OerHeks> not sure what ubuntu version gives his icon theme...
[16:46] <OerHeks> https://imgur.com/a/C7lVvPX
[16:46] <iosecure> stef204: Use TeamViewer. If you insist that you know better, then you get to keep the pieces when it breaks.
[16:46] <stef204> it could be that the port forward was present for months or even years and I got luckt
[16:46] <TJ-> stef204: can the user issue a simple terminal command? in which case you could set up a SSH reverse tunnel to a host under your control, and then connect back through it
[16:46] <stef204> I don\t insist I know better, I am seeking advice
[16:46] <ioria> OerHeks, communitytheme, i suppose
[16:46] <stef204> and I do not want to use TeamViewer
[16:46] <iosecure> stef204: But you keep arguing.
[16:47] <iosecure> stef204: We're trying to give you advice. :/
[16:47] <tda> play rdr2 until she makes a better offer
[16:47] <stef204> I am not arguing, you are trying to ram data down my throat and getting your kickers in a knot when I don't religiously accept your info
[16:48] <stef204> you should just ignore my comments and move on
[16:48] <iosecure> lol k
[16:48] <stef204> perhaps someone else can provide advice
[16:48] <OerHeks> ..
[16:48] <stef204> or I can continue research and will eventually find a solution
[16:48] <iosecure> Good luck with that attitude.
[16:48] <stef204> same to you
[16:48] <OerHeks> keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[16:48] <maetthew> stef204: Why and how exactly don't you want to use teamviewer? You can't even use teamviewer to log in to her computer to get access to her router and set up VNC properly for her?
[16:49] <hggdh> iosecure, stef204: now this is it. Bothof you please stop.
[16:49] <stef204> hggdh: we are stopping
[16:49] <iosecure> hggdh: I'm done, don't worry about it.
[16:49] <OerHeks> teamviewer needs no forwarding ports, so it is suitable for unskilled users
[16:49] <stef204> maetthew: I don't really want to install TV on my box
[16:49] <stef204> or I am trying to avoid using it if there are other solutions
[16:49] <stef204> like ssh or vnc
[16:50] <maetthew> stef204: Another box then? An android device? VM?
[16:50] <TJ-> stef204: I already suggested a reverse SSh tunnel
[16:50] <maetthew> Or that ^
[16:50] <stef204> TJ-: I completely missed your post/answer, sorry
[16:51] <stef204> TJ-: still not seeing it...
[16:51] <hggdh> @mark #ubuntu iosecure being pushy
[16:51] <TJ-> stef204: if the user can open a terminal, and issue a single command you give them, their local ssh client can connect to a SSH server under your control, and you can connect back to the user's PC through the reverse tunnel
[16:52] <TJ-> stef204: which means no port-forwarding required, just a regular outgoing SSH connection to a host your control
[16:52] <stef204> TJ-: that sounds like it might work, I just searched and found https://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling
[16:52] <stef204> she should be able to open a terminal and type ssh something....
[16:52] <maetthew> TJ-: Wouldn't that still need port forwarding in most cases?
[16:53] <stef204> that was my next question
[16:53] <stef204> on my side I would have to be visible/accessible on a predefined ip:port
[16:53] <maetthew> If you need to port forward, I still think using TeamViewer only one time to setup what you need to setup is the easiest way
[16:54] <stef204> I'm not sure a port forward would be necessary for her to issue an ssh command from inside her NAT
[16:54] <iosecure> hggdh: Aww, are we just a bunch of fragile feelings in this channel?  It's like kindergarten. Everyone's more wound up about playing nice than about actually doing anything useful. Good luck.
[16:54] <stef204> TJ-: would she?
[16:55] <hggdh> iosecure: if you want to discuss this, let's do it on #ubuntu-ops
[16:55] <maetthew> stef204: No but it would be required for you to access that SSH server from your end
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> reverse SSH does not require a port forward on "their" end. If you are the host of the ssh server being connected to, you would need to make sure your SSH server port is forward for them to connect to. stef204
[16:55] <maetthew> ah
[16:55] <maetthew> my bad
[16:56] <stef204> pragmaticenigma: right, so the "tinkering" would only be done on my side, it seems, so that seems doable
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> stef204: after they intialize the SSH connection, you will be able to connect to their machine and execute commands as needed.
[16:59] <stef204> pragmaticenigma: right, so that seems to be a good solution. When they issue the command on their end, etc., there will be the issues of keys to accept, something like that? How do I make sure it is really her, etc.
[17:00] <stef204> sorry if this last question is really newb but never done this.
[17:00] <TJ-> stef204: the entire point of an SSH reverse-tunnel is the connection is outgoing only
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> stef204: that's beyond the scope of this channel. best practices I would recommend is create a user account on your machine for them to login (to avoid accidental issues).
[17:01] <TJ-> stef204: once the connection is up, you (on the 'outside') can connect back through the tunnel to the user's PC
[17:02] <stef204> pragmaticenigma: right, I was thinking of something like that. create user Bob with password xxxx
[17:02] <TJ-> stef204: at your end, you may need to use port-forwarding /unless/ you have the ssh server on a VPS/'cloud' host
[17:03] <stef204> TJ-: I think I get it but the issue of keys, or authentication was a question, I supposed it's either keys or user+pw depending on how the sshd is setup on my end
[17:05] <cryptodan> what is it that stef204 is trying to do here, ive been reading and confused
[17:06] <stef204> cryptodan: just trying to take control remotely of a friend's computer behind a NAT so i can update her ubuntu to a more recent version
[17:06] <OerHeks> upgrade an EOL 15.x
[17:06] <stef204> she is running 15+
[17:06] <cryptodan> i would not do that remotely
[17:07] <stef204> i have no choice
[17:07] <cryptodan> I would go over and do via usb disk after she backed up to monitor for errors and what not
[17:07] <stef204> unfortunately, she is completely unskilled and I can't think of trying to explain it over the phone
[17:07] <stef204> she is on a different continent
[17:08] <OerHeks> different continent / different planet, no problem
[17:08] <cryptodan> if you attempt to upgrade via remote methods and it fails then youll be doing it over the phone or shipping her a 18.04 ubuntu usb with installation instructions
[17:08] <stef204> i thin that what pragmaticenigma (and TJ- ) mentioned, reverse ssh tunnel is a workable solutino
[17:09] <TJ-> stef204: why not test it out using virtual machines first, locally?
[17:09] <stef204> TJ-: sure, good idea
[17:10] <stef204> it won't be a full test since it will be on a local network and she'll be behind her NAT but it will get me more familiar with it
[17:10] <pragmaticenigma> stef204: Give it a go, only way to find out
[17:11] <stef204> pragmaticenigma: I agree and will do
[17:11] <stef204> pragmaticenigma: thank you for your feedback
[17:11] <stef204> and thanks to all who provided info, much appreciated
[17:11] <zutat> good evening. how can i set umask for gnome sessions on 18.04?
[17:11] <OerHeks> make sure she has an USB with 16.04 ready, before upgrading
[17:14] <OerHeks> zutat, what are you trying to do?
[17:14] <OerHeks> umask gives permissions to files that applications cannot set
[17:15] <j0seph> Hi all. I've heard that ubuntu 18.10 downloads updates and upgrades them automatically through unattended-upgrade. By default, does this apply to all updates that a package has or only the security updates? Thanks! (I am on 18.10)
[17:18] <zutat> OerHeks: i'm trying to make gnome session umask to match other sessions.
[17:19] <cryptodan> OerHeks: why not 18.04 it will give them more support
[17:19] <zutat> OerHeks: if i log into gnome, the umask gets set to 022
[17:20] <uniquewire> Hey guys, I want to install thunar-archive-plugin with choosing file-roller as an archive manager.
[17:20] <uniquewire> https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/thunar-archive-plugin
[17:20] <uniquewire> As you can see the default one when installing the plugin is xarchiver.
[17:20] <OerHeks> cryptodan, he thinks the hardware is not that good, and 16.04 is supported for a few years though
[17:24] <uniquewire> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WHbSKjXYhd/
[17:25] <maetthew> uniquewire: What's the question?
[17:26] <maetthew> oh nvm
[17:26] <TJ-> j0seph: unattended-upgrades can be configured to do whichever you prefer, via /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and the "Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins {" settings
[17:28] <TJ-> j0seph: also, if the system has a separate /boot/ file-system, it might help to enable "Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Kernel-Packages "true"; "
[17:28] <xrash> Is there any way to get a package from an old version of Ubuntu, specifically the 10.10?
[17:31] <TJ-> !oldreleases | xrash
[17:31] <xrash> !oldreleases
[17:31] <TJ-> xrash: hmmph... do it the manual way!  http://old-releases.ubuntu.com
[17:31] <TJ-> xrash: seems our 'bot' doesn't know that factoid key
[17:31] <OerHeks> it is possible http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/
[17:31] <j0seph> TJ-: Thanks! By default, it seems to do security updates, but I'm not sure what the other entry ("${distro_id}:${distro_codename}";) is.
[17:31] <xrash> Ill check it out, I just want the source for an old version of the `fortune` program.
[17:32] <OerHeks> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick-security/
[17:32] <xrash> The fortunes actually, not the program itself.
[17:32] <xrash> (the cookies)
[17:32] <TJ-> xrash: follow the /pool/<component>/f/fortune/ path
[17:32] <xrash> ty
[17:34] <TJ-> j0seph: it does seem strange having the original archive in there, since that should be frozen on release. Maybe it's to cater for in-development unattended-upgrades too
[17:35] <WhiteDevil> hey i cancelled my updates on ubuntu because for a while it wasnt doing anything
[17:35] <WhiteDevil> so i started it again and now its checking for updates
[17:35] <WhiteDevil> which i believe seems to have taken a turn and is stuck at some point
[17:35] <WhiteDevil> is my software updater corrupt or something
[17:36] <WhiteDevil> should i just reboot the operating system and hope it works ?
[17:36] <WhiteDevil> it says waiting in the task bar
[17:36] <WhiteDevil> "waiting"
[17:36] <j0seph> TJ-: Thanks a lot. So, by default, it seems it only installs security updates. Is there a proper way to have it so that it downloads these security updates but does not install them? Or is this the default behaviour?
[17:38] <TJ-> j0seph: the whole point of u-u is to install them; not sure if there is a download-only option
[17:40] <j0seph> TJ-: That's fair enough. Thanks for your help.
[17:40] <TJ-> j0seph: there is a MOTD script that can run at (terminal) log-in to let you know of updates waiting
[17:42] <TJ-> j0seph: and one for GUI of course
[17:42] <j0seph> Ah yes, I've seen that a time or two. I'm running 18.10 as a distro for my computer rather than a server, BTW. I'm not using it as a server atm. That's why I'm a little concerned.
[17:43] <TJ-> j0seph: GUI is just a 'server' with some pretty graphics to waste CPU cycles :)
[17:43] <j0seph> TJ-: While I shouldn't let others sway my decisions simply based on prejudice, I'm getting a bit of flak for using ubuntu apparently, which discourages me a little, aha.
[17:44] <TJ-> j0seph: I noticed; but if you're bothered about 'asla' in ##linux, ignore it. Known and constant negative trolling
[17:45] <j0seph> TJ-: how is he still not banned in this case? seems a little counter-intuitive
[17:45] <TJ-> j0seph: I'd rather use a distro with several hundred paid developers even with some downsides, not least for the prompt security updates
[17:47] <j0seph> TJ-: suppose you're right. I like using this distro, but I'd prefer not to gain ridicule when i attempt to join in on conversation in a linux/programming environment, haha.
[17:48] <TJ-> j0seph: that's a risk in the less moderated channels on IRC, whatever the topic! Don't worry about it.
[17:49] <TJ-> You'll find a lot of very knowledgable helpful volunteers in this channel and other #ubuntu-* channels
[17:49] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. After I restarted the computer, the ctrl+alt combination changes the size of the window. Do you know how can I disable this functionality?
[17:49] <mojtaba> e.g. when I press ctrl+alt+t, it resize the current windows and opens a termina.
[17:49] <mojtaba> l
[17:50] <TJ-> mojtaba: that is ...weird! which desktop environment is it?
[17:50] <mojtaba> TJ-: It is unity. I did not have this problem until last restart.
[17:50] <j0seph> TJ-: I've noted that a lot of people using distros such as Debian and Ubuntu are a lot kinder than the likes I'd find on rolling-release distro IRC channels, or congregations like ##linux. Thanks for your help regardless :)
[17:51] <TJ-> mojtaba: have you reconfigured anything in the desktop prior to the restart?
[17:51] <mojtaba> TJ-: No
[17:51] <TJ-> j0seph: and there are millions of fellow *buntu users too, which always helps :)
[17:52] <mojtaba> I just defined 4 shortcuts to change the orientation of the whole screen. I assigend 'xrandr -o normal' to super+up combination.
[17:52] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'd recommend creating a new user account and logging into the GUI with that, see if that account is also affected. If not, you know it is something specific to your regular account configuration
[17:52] <mojtaba> TJ-: I will check the guest account, to see if it is the same.
[17:52] <TJ-> mojtaba: OK, so you /were/ changing key bindings, so you /could/ have inadvertently caused this
[17:52] <mojtaba> BRB
[17:53] <mojtaba> TJ-: Though the key combinations are different
[17:53] <TJ-> mojtaba: indeed; but it is possible something got nudged, or there's a weird bug that changed something you didn't want to change
[17:53] <mojtaba> TJ-: The key combinations are super+up, super+down, and right and left for different orientations of the screen.
[17:53] <mojtaba> TJ-: I see.
[17:54] <mojtaba> brb
[17:55] <mojtaba> TJ-: No, the guest is Ok.
[17:55] <mojtaba> alt+ctrl is working as expected.
[17:56] <TJ-> mojtaba: I don't use Unity so I cannot advise further, but it seems like something got nudged when you were configuring the bindings
[17:56] <ioria> mojtaba, check compiz settings
[17:56] <mojtaba> TJ-: thanks anyway.
[17:57] <mojtaba> ioria: Where should I look into?
[17:57] <ioria> mojtaba, no idea exactly, one i disabled  the Grid plugin
[17:57] <ioria> *once
[17:58] <j0seph> TJ-: So far, in 20auto-upgrades, I set "PT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[17:58] <j0seph> " and "APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0"". With this, this should simply update the package lists without my intervention, but only upgrade them when I say?
[17:58] <j0seph> Oops, copied a line break there accidentally.
[17:59] <TheWild> hello
[17:59] <TheWild> since my current distro is bionic, can I "rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*xenial*' ?
[17:59] <mojtaba> TJ-: ioria: Do you know where I can I get help about this issue? Should I check it later here?
[18:00] <TJ-> j0seph: I think so, yes
[18:00] <ioria> mojtaba, go in Window Management section (ccsm)
[18:00] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'd check all the existing bindings - but not sure how that is done with Unity
[18:01] <mojtaba> TJ-: I have checked all the keyboard shortcuts in settings.
[18:01] <j0seph> TJ-: Thanks a lot! :)
[18:01] <mojtaba> ioria: ioriaI have opened ccsm, but I have no idea where to check.
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> TheWild: That should have been removed when you did the upgrade... are you certain the upgrade succeeded?
[18:02] <ioria> mojtaba, just type inFilter
[18:03] <mojtaba> I am checking windows management section. No key bindings for ctrl+alt is there.
[18:03] <TheWild> I'm almost sure, I'm operating on 18.04 and /etc/apt/sources.list contains only bionic-* (with xenial-* commented out).
[18:03] <TheWild> lsb_release -a
[18:03] <TheWild> definitely bionic
[18:23] <TheWild> does apt take care about .save and .distUpgrade files?
[18:30] <ioria> TheWild, you mean sources.list.dave ?
[18:30] <ioria> *save
[18:38] <OerHeks> what is a  .distUpgrade file ?
[18:39] <ioria> a backup file
[18:39] <hggdh> OerHeks: a sources.list saved during a release upgrade
[18:42] <OerHeks> oh oke, i do not have those on fresh install
[18:57] <deadrom> heya
[18:58] <deadrom> gthumb: video thumbnails? do I need an ext. lib for that like I need ffmpegthumbnailer for gwenview?
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: Please rephrase, your question doesn't make any sense to me
[19:00] <deadrom> what do I need to do to make gThumb show preview thumbnails for video files?
[19:01] <nolsen> I forgot to ask this last night, but when I was installing 18.10, I noticed there wasn't any option to encrypt my home directory. Was this removed for some reason?
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: You need to make sure the codec for that particular video file is available for gstreamer. Also, some applications do not generate thumbnails on files under/over a specific file size
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> nolsen: where you installing or upgrading?
[19:02] <nolsen> I was installing
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> nolsen: what version/install disk were you using?
[19:02] <knstn> And sometimes, you just need to delete gnome's - tracker cache, and reboot.
[19:02] <nolsen> 18.10
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> nolsen: I guess what I was asking is what flavor?  I am trying to read my sdcard but cant use it. I can see it running lsusb and by running ls -la /dev/sd* i can see it's under sdb when it's inserted but when trying to mount /dev/sdb I get "mount: /mnt: no medium found on /dev/sdb."
[19:07] <nolsen> I could always encrypt my directory post-installation though.
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> nolsen: as far as I can tell, encrypting the home directory is still available. however, I have no way to verify (and I personally don't use the feature). Yes, you can encrypt after the fact
[19:09] <xerox123> hi, running ubuntu 18.04 and my shutdown and suspend menu buttons only log my user out, I checked dmesg and see this: [16654.247219] traps: xfsm-shutdown-h[15100] general protection ip:7fa72ec2298d sp:7ffe805e5cc0 error:0 in libc-2.27.so[7fa72eb8b000+1e7000]
[19:10] <xerox123> and I'm the only user logged into the system
[19:12] <DVA5912> Good Afternoon Folks! Has anyone else been getting a lot of mirror sync errors when attempting to install programs?
[19:12] <DVA5912> "E: Failed to fetch http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/pdata/01ebdaeb63406fc7/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2-utils_2.4.29-1ubuntu4.5_amd64.deb  File has unexpected size (83344 != 8764). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]"
[19:12] <isene> Is there a way to tell libinput/touchpad to be less sensitive to motion while I tap? It seems a bit too sensitive to finger motion while tapping as it misses more taps now that I've upgraded from 18.04 to 18.10.
[19:12] <Slimmy> DVA5912: Wow no... Try other mirrors?
[19:14] <deadrom> pragmaticenigma: most gstreamer-plugins are installed. the min/max size you mentioned configurable? gconf perhaps?
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: I'm not certain, it used to be part of the options inside nautilus
[19:16] <xerox123> can someone assist me?
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | xerox123
[19:16] <TJ-> DVA5912: looks like there's a proxy getting in the way (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[19:17] <xerox123> it's up there ^
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | xerox123, then
[19:22] <leonardus> How well does Ubuntu support mixed DPI? e.g. if I were to have a 4k display in the center, and two 1080p displays to the left and right
[19:23] <Pugabyte> Hi, I just tried installing Xen on my desktop from the official Ubuntu docs page and now its stuck on boot on line "loading initial ramdisk". I cant open terminal to do anything I'm finding on stackoverflow. I tried booting into legacy mode in my bios but it doesn't change anything.
[19:26] <tomreyn> Pugabyte: i'm not sure i can tell what's going on there, but it could surely help if you provided more info: your ubuntu desktop version, architecture, whether its fully patched, which hardware you have there.
[19:27] <tomreyn> also, did you make any other changes which could have caused this, too?
[19:31] <tomreyn> xerox123: what happened there is that xfsm-shutdown-helper ran into a fatal error. that's the XFCE utility which is actually supposed to initiate the system shutdown
[19:32] <xerox123> yeah
[19:33] <tomreyn> xerox123: i would suggest you make sure your system is fully patched, and apt is happy (no warnings or error messages when you "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"))
[19:34] <tomreyn> if all of that is already so, i'd look for or (if none already filed) report a bug on bugs.launchpad.net
[19:35] <tomreyn> to file a bug you'd run: ubuntu-bug xfce4-session
[19:36] <DVA5912> TJ-, Slimmy  a change to the selected mirrors seems to have resolved my issue. Thanks for the heads up!
[19:37] <tomreyn> DVA5912: where did you come across this other mirror server you were using?
[19:55] <magga> Hey guys ! for some reason I cannot find my windows shares when browsing in Files -> Other locations -> Windows Network... However I can find it when choosing to connect to a server and writing smb://mywindowspcip
[19:56] <isene> Is there a way to tell libinput/touchpad to be less sensitive to motion while I tap? It seems a bit too sensitive to finger motion while tapping as it misses more taps now that I've upgraded from 18.04 to 18.10.
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> magga: Yes, there is a reason. I have found that trying to get it to work is more troublesome than just connecting directly to my machines using their IP address. Recently, I have used a heavily modified version of DNSMasq with it's DHCP server that associates friendly computer names to their IP address automatically
[20:01] <magga> pragmaticenigma: alright, thanks for the answer. for some reason i cannot access my windows box in KODI; therefor i thought solving this issue from not automatically finding my windows box would solve the whole god dman thing;P
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> magga: If you are in KODI... make sure you prefix the machinename or ip address with smb://
[20:02] <magga> pragmaticenigma: done that :P and when trying to connect it says operation not permitted
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> magga: That might be a firewall issue on the Windows machine. I have found that adding a username and password to the remote file share helps too
[20:04] <magga> ok :) i'll try that now pragmaticenigma
[20:04] <magga> u mean creating a win user i can use right?
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> magga: one more thought... Linux and be association samba are case sensitive. make sure the directory paths are in the same casing as they appear on the machine
[20:05] <magga> thanks :)
[20:05] <magga> btw you know any good application on Ubuntu to remotely control my Windows PC?
[20:05] <magga> i have enabled remote connection @ my win box
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> magga: Usually I install RealVNC or TightVNC servers ... I've not had good luck in the past with RDP viewers for Microsoft's remote desktop services
[20:07] <magga> Ok
[20:08] <zutat> ssh works, too, it's enough to just run commands
[20:08] <zutat> *if it's enough
[20:09] <magga> can u connect ssh if my windows box has remote connection enabled?
[20:11] <DVA5912> tomreyn, That other server was chosen automatically during installation. This is still a fairly fresh install of the 18.04
[20:12] <DVA5912> tomreyn, odd thing is, just had the system look for the best mirrors to use and it chose one from italy.. I Live in the state of Florida in the US
[20:13] <DVA5912> tomreyn, So its making me thing my connections are being bounced somewhere even though my VPN is turned off
[20:14] <zutat> magga: no. you need to install and enable that service manually
[20:14] <magga> pragmaticenigma it worked out :D thanks alot mate
[20:15] <thatlizdude> do you guys know why my headphones constantly have a static backgruond noise when they're plugged in and nothing is playing on Ubuntu? it's not happening in Windows..
[20:15] <thatlizdude> it doesn't happen when the headphones are muted, but as I increase the volume, the volume of the static noise remains the same
[20:16] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, Sounds like it may be a driver issue? but thats just my two cents. Are their any proprietary drivers available?
[20:17] <thatlizdude> DVA5912: I don't have that much experience with Ubuntu, but I'm on Dell XPS 13 9370, not sure where to check
[20:17] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, Understood. Give me a few seconds, i want to check something out as far as your hardware goes
[20:18] <thatlizdude> thank you :)
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> thatlizdude: look through the volumn mixer and "mute" the input channels (mic, line in, etc)
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> do each one at a time, till you hear the static/pops/squels stop
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> it's likely Windows already has that channel muted
[20:21] <thatlizdude> pragmaticenigma: just in Settings > Sound?
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> thatlizdude: I think so
[20:22] <leonardus> I want to create a sort of offline wiki that supports version control with Git. any software recommendations here?
[20:22] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, I have checked a few sites. Dell has a post about similar with it, https://www.dell.com/community/Linux-Developer-Systems/XPS-13-no-soundcard-detected/td-p/5062800 and then there is a good ole reddit page on it but for a older version https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/4j1zz4/headphones_have_static_noise_with_ubuntu_1604_on/
[20:23] <DVA5912> It might bear some reading, essentially reddit seems to believe its something with a loop back.
[20:23] <thatlizdude> DVA5912: I've tried the first solution on Reddit, that didn't fix it
[20:24] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, copy. are you using a headset with mic?
[20:24] <thatlizdude> and the Dell thread says that they have no sound output - I can play sound, but when it's not playing, the static noise is there, and yes, they have a mic
[20:24] <thatlizdude> muting the mics doesn't seem to do anything pragmaticenigma
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> thatlizdude: okay... not sure where else to check... the internals of a computer are a very noisy place, it is possible windows or the windows drivers have a threshold for sound levels before it outputs them
[20:26] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, that actualy answered my question as well. hmm.. The issue does not seem to propagate in windows, but is readily audible in Ubuntu. no loop back issues with a mic. I'm assuming that we do not or should not have any hardware issues with the laptop at this time.
[20:27] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, i think pragmaticenigma has hit it right on the head. unfortunently a lot of manufacturers put a big emphasis on windows drivers, so they may have put a dead level on the sound output. Let me find out what chipset your running
[20:27] <thatlizdude> alright then
[20:29] <thatlizdude> my earbuds are working fine though, also have a mic input
[20:29] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, Well one cool thing that im seeing is that Dell has full support for ubuntu with your particular model :) Love seeing that. Worst case scenario, if we cant pin it down they sure will. Just to clerify, the static is in the headphone jack or the built in speakers?
[20:31] <thatlizdude> it's when I plug in my over ears with a mic, the static is output inside the headphones, not the laptop's speaker
[20:31] <DVA5912> And when they are disconnected, there is no audible static from the systems speakers otherwise?
[20:32] <DVA5912> Its really sounding like its the the alsa mixxer settings.
[20:33] <thatlizdude> I don't hear any static when they are disconnected
[20:34] <magga> pragmaticenigma: what webbrowser u use in ubuntu?
[20:34] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, can you check the last post here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2312163
[20:34] <DVA5912> back up before you modify that file, but see if it could help, or if its already set like that
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> magga: That really isn't a good question here, this channel focuses on support. That would be a better question to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[20:36] <magga> Alright ;x my bad! So i've installed TightVNC now on my Windows box. What kind of client shoud I use to view the desktop on my ubuntu machine?
[20:36] <thatlizdude> I've seen that, I don't have the exact line there, no
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> magga: Take a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Clients
[20:38] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, See about adding that line to the end of that file.
[20:38] <thatlizdude> DVA5912: here's what I got: https://hastebin.com/dequbuqaqe.pl
[20:38] <OerHeks> standard remina works fine for vnc
[20:39] <j0seph> Is anybody aware of how I could get the Yaru Dark application theme on 18.10 to apply to GTK2 apps, also? When I launch a GTK2 app such as hexchat while using the Yaru Dark theme, its interface becomes rather dated and I can only really compare it to something like Windows 95 in nature, haha
[20:39] <DVA5912> thatlizdude, looks the same as mine. Go ahead and add options snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi to the end of that file
[20:40] <DVA5912> and then im not sure on the reload of Alsa.. if anyone could help me out with the command there
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> j0seph: Themes are not something that are supported here. It is up to the author of the theme to work on application compatibility. Since there are so many applications and developers may choose different approaches to how their applications display, some themes are not going to render correctly.
[20:45] <j0seph> pragmaticenigma: that's fair enough. thanks, anyway!
[20:47] <Bashing-om> j0seph: Theme support: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-participation-an-ubuntu-default-theme-lead-by-the-community/1545 .
[20:48] <Pugabyte> So after installing Xen on my ubuntu 18.04 desktop, my computer no longer boots. It hangs when starting Xen on line "Loading initial ramdisk". I couldnt open any shells to try to diagnose the problem, nor boot into recovery mode or something, so I've booted ubuntu 18.10 on a USB and i'm currently backing up my files for safety. After this, how woul
[20:48] <Pugabyte> d I go about removing xen from the filesystem (which I've mounted into the live USB)?
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> Pugabyte: do you have a backup of the machine?
[20:50] <Pugabyte> No, the only backup I have is the one I'm creating now of my home directory and some other essential folders. No backup of the boot partition or anything
[20:51] <OerHeks> boot in recovery mode and sudo apt-get purge xen*
[20:51] <Bashing-om> !info xen bionic
[20:51] <Pugabyte> How would you boot into recovery mode? I couldnt get that to work (mentioned in my first message)
[20:52] <EriC^^> Pugabyte: hold shift to get grub then go to advanced > recovery
[20:52] <OerHeks> xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64 and such
[20:53] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: :D
[20:53] <OerHeks> or find help with xen to load properly
[20:55] <j0seph> I just checked, the Yaru Dark GTK2.0 theme was actually merged 6 days ago. So now all I have to do is wait until it's put into the repos, whenever. :)
[20:57] <Bashing-om> j0seph: ^ then will be in the Git. I bet the above link - given time to read - will tell how to install .
[21:01] <tomreyn> DVA5912: to me, this doesn't look like a mirror server ubuntu would set up (more like a proxy server your isp redirected you to): http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/pdata/01ebdaeb63406fc7/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2-utils_2.4.29-1ubuntu4.5_amd64.deb
[21:02] <tomreyn> (it's a public ip address, though, by Mediacom Communications Corporation (mediacomcc.com)
[21:03] <DVA5912> tomreyn, I honestly didnt even look into it that far. This is the first time ive seen them use a proxy like this. Makes me really curious as to why they set one up
[21:03] <DVA5912> Mediacom is my ISP
[21:03] <OerHeks> indeed, mediacom is known for this not up2date mirror
[21:04] <OerHeks> just change it to main in sources
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> DVA5912: There was someone here a couple days ago from Comcast with a similar issue
[21:05] <DVA5912> ... Why are the ISPs doing this?  Why in the world would they want/need to allocate resources to host a mirror.. I understand being a part of the mirror pool, and trying to help out, but ive never seen an ISP get off its butt to do it
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> DVA5912: What is likely happening is the ISP setup something similar to a squid proxy to help provide faster download of files that have already passed through their network. Another user probably already downloaded the sources file or the package earlier, you got caught mid sync when one or the other changed and the proxy didn't have the most up-to-date copy yet
[21:06] <DVA5912> Just really odd.. I guess that they are still in the process of trying to build up their mirrors and that would by why ive been getting the issues. Ehh.
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> DVA5912: I would expect to see this happen more in rural areas, where connectivity can be spotty and this is their attempt at also trying to increase reliability
[21:07] <tomreyn> this is in coralville, idaho
[21:07] <tomreyn> at North Corridor Internal Medicine PC
[21:08] <DVA5912> pragmaticenigma, i think you might have just hit the nail on the head here. Mediacom is known for their rural installations. Where i live im really surprised they are out here in the first place. So you may very well be right on that! I guess i just got to get my head around them actualy trying to make things better for the Linux community instead of just being a deep hole for me to throw in money once a month :)  lol
[21:10] <DVA5912> pragmaticenigma, I bet they did the same thing for windows updates as well
[21:11]  * pragmaticenigma *They're on to him!*
[22:08] <kinghat> anyone mounted a share using `mfsymlinks`?
[22:08] <kinghat> or know what it is?
[22:50] <lectus> Hi! I have a new notebook with Windows 10 pre-installed and a recovery partition. I want to install Ubuntu as dual boot, keeping Windows 10 and the recovery partition. Can I just resize the Windows partition, install Ubuntu there and expect it to work installing grub to the MBR?
[22:50] <lectus> Does anyone here have experience with this kind of setup?
[22:52] <OerHeks> lectus, that should work, unless windows uses the EFI boot partition, then you need the uefi manual
[22:52] <OerHeks> !uefi
[22:53] <lectus> OerHeks: Yes, there's a EFI boot partition too
[22:54] <OerHeks> good, in the bios boot options you should see ubuntu + uefi if you have the usb inserted
[22:54] <OerHeks> * after windows made space with diskmanagment
[22:57] <matsaman> lectus: and don't cross post =P
[22:57] <bleb> does anyone know how ubuntu ESM updates are distributed/licensed? is there anything to prevent someone from releasing them freely?
[22:57] <lectus> matsaman: :D
[22:59] <OerHeks> bleb, it is private, so yes, the license prevent such disclosure
[22:59] <OerHeks> https://www.ubuntu.com/esm
[23:03] <bleb> "We will honour any and all licenses associated with the open source code in Ubuntu."
[23:03] <bleb> so if they release an update for a gpl package, the recipients would have to be allowed to release it no?
[23:04] <matsaman> if it's source code
[23:11] <deadrom> apt still lists hwe-16.04 packages on a fresh 18.04 installation. why?
[23:14] <eelstrebor> sure wish i could get fortnite and roblox to run natively on ubuntu
[23:32] <nagnewb> Hello. I installed 18.04 LTS on an HP 1011 g1 I had and it looks like the touchpad does not get recognized. What's the best way to submit a report on it and what log should I attach to it? Is the document on the wiki still current? It references an Xorg log file which doesn't exist.
[23:35] <eelstrebor> bugs.launchpad.net
[23:36] <eelstrebor> you might try getting the latest firmware from github though
[23:39] <nagnewb_> Do you happen to have the github link handy? I'm not sure which one you are referencing
[23:40] <eelstrebor> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
[23:40] <nagnewb_> thanks
[23:40] <nagnewb_> I'll give that a shot and if it doesn't work I'll head over to launchpad
[23:43] <matsaman> nagnewb_: what's it show up as via lsusb/lspci ?
[23:46] <nagnewb_> matsaman: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qBRw2GnP5j/
[23:47] <nagnewb_> It's an HP 1011 G1 for reference
[23:49] <matsaman> nagnewb_: does the touchscreen work?
[23:49] <nagnewb_> xinput shows it as a ps/2 mouse. Installing the synaptics xorg package didn't help either.
[23:50] <nagnewb_> The touchscreen works as a single click but multitouch gestures do not
[23:50] <cryptodan_mobile> nagnewb_: run in terminal "dmesg |nc termbin.com 9999" share link here
[23:52] <nagnewb_> https://termbin.com/w6q3
[23:53] <nagnewb_> weird dmesg output
[23:59] <nagnewb_> Looking through the linux-firmware repo I don't see any which would match this hardware's touchpad


[17:35] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, jfyi, fixed you gdk-pixbuf upload
[17:36] <ricotz> *your
[18:59] <dr4c4n_> can anyone point me to full disk encryption installation with ubuntu-gnome?
[19:00] <dr4c4n_> what I mean is point me to an instruction tutorial, as on my new laptop, if I select it during the installation, the laptop doesn't boot, it hangs
[20:43] <jbicha> ricotz: thank you!