[00:00] <yofel> simplew: pong
[00:00] <andybrine> lol useless.... mmm !hyperthetically. Same here ot a fan of macs or iphones either
[00:01] <simplew> yofel: just a minute
[00:02] <andybrine> what bs lol, im off
[00:05] <yofel> simplew: re your other ping: I live in Europe, so pinging me at 5AM during the week is probably futile ;)
[00:24] <Peabot> Hello?
[00:25] <Peabot> How do i chat?
[00:27] <calwig> you write!
[00:27] <Peabot> oh great
[00:27] <Peabot> i have a question about ubuntu?
[00:27] <Peabot> kubuntu actually
[00:28] <Peabot> Hello?
[00:29] <Peabot> Im assuming the number of names to the right is not an accurate indicator of people present in chat
[00:30] <yofel> Peabot: just go ahead and ask your question, if someone is here and knows the answer they'll reply
[00:33] <calwig> yea
[00:33] <Peabot> Ok. I dont currently have a USB or writable disk handy, and instead reformatted an external HDD connected to my USB, should this work? I have not had success booting from USB.
[00:33] <calwig> Ive tried it once, like using it as a hard drive you mean?
[00:33] <calwig> USB external hard drive?
[00:34] <Peabot> Yes but its a SATA drive, not USB flash per se
[00:36] <Peabot> I am going to try one more time.
[00:36] <simplew> yofel: hi
[00:37] <simplew> yofel: still there?
[00:37] <yofel> simplew: yes, but not for long
[00:38] <simplew> yofel: i haveperformed a kubuntu install, that the problem in dlphin root persists, isnt possibleto run KDE apps unde dolphin root, but it does non KDE apps, like for example libreoffice
[00:39] <simplew> yofel: in dolphin root when trying to open a test file with kwrite or kate appears a msg error about KDEINIT
[00:40] <yofel> sounds like something is unset, and it ends up being unable to connect to the running KDE instance
[00:40] <simplew> yofel: lie you know i did open a bug report in bugs.kde.org, would it be better to open a bug report in launchapd also?
[00:41] <simplew> yofel: are you running 12.10 lean install?
[00:43] <yofel> nope, meshed together 13.04 system. I would need a VM to really debug this
[00:43] <yofel> -> tomorrow
[00:43] <yofel> simplew: you can file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug kdesudo' if you want
[00:44] <yofel> Probably nobody tested this. We don't really have many applications that require kdesudo
[00:45] <yofel> simplew: give me the bug # when it's done, maybe I'll find some time to look at it tomorrow. I won't promise anything though.
[00:45]  * yofel is off to bed
[00:46] <simplew> yofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309233
[00:47] <simplew> yofel: good sleep
[01:29] <intelikey> issue with gmail...   kmail reoports "unknown transport protocol unable to send message"  and evolution says "unable to authenticate to smtp server \n bad athentication response from server "    both of them "fetch" mail just fine, but can't send.  and i have checked and rechecked the settings/port,address,name,password... several times.   anyone have thoughts on this ?
[01:46] <DarthFrog> intelikey: What port are you using for smtp?
[01:49] <DarthFrog> I'm using port 587 with encryption.  Works for me with Thunderbird.
[01:51] <intelikey> darthfrog just learning how to switch channels in this irc client 0.o   but yes 587 and it should work   but the error message suggests that it's on my end not the server
[01:52] <DarthFrog> Try this command at the command line: "sudo iptables -F" and try sending again.
[01:52] <intelikey> darthfrog checked the filter nothing blocked
[01:54] <intelikey> same error "unrecognized transport protocol..."
[01:55] <DarthFrog> Any chance your ISP is blocking access to the Gmail server?  Mine won't let me connect to port 25 on any machine but their mail servers.
[01:56] <intelikey> could be    but the test  telnet gmail.com -p 587  connects
[01:57] <intelikey> errr   partial ^
[01:57] <DarthFrog> Hehe, that was what I was about to ask you.
[01:57] <DarthFrog> Can you do an ehlo?
[01:57] <intelikey> ehlo ?
[01:57] <xixor> sup
[01:57] <DarthFrog> Do the telnet command, then "ehlo <your FQDN>"
[02:03] <intelikey> darthfrog yeah it's working fine.    so my smtp protocol ?    errr can i actually have a problem with smtp ?
[02:03] <DarthFrog> intelikey: Here's my SMTP settings in Tbird:  http://imagebin.org/234119
[02:03] <DarthFrog> Works ferpectly.
[02:06] <intelikey> darthfrog yeah that's very much like my settings     it's crazzzie i know.
[02:13] <DarthFrog> intelikey: I'm fresh out of ideas, sorry.  Not out of wine, though, fortunately. :-)
[02:13] <intelikey> hehe   cheers.   ty for the thoughts
[02:14] <DarthFrog> One more thing just occurred to me:  have you ruled out it being a problem with your router?
[02:17] <xixor> yo
[02:24] <xixor> yo, so whenever I click "Configure software sources" in muon, it simply updates the packages list, but it doesn't pop up a dialog allowing me to configure the sources
[02:24] <xixor> has anyone seen this type of behaviour?
[04:22] <john_buffalo2012> having problem with ati driver in kubuntu. can anyone help?
[04:27] <john_buffalo2012> have ati driver problem. wont install if i download driver and do myself
[04:29] <nine_> are u downloading an exe file?
[04:30] <john_buffalo2012> its a zip file for linux
[04:30] <JaySee> is there any way to install an old version of ia32-libs that actually works on 12.04?
[04:31] <rsolma> how to install propriatary drivers kubuntu
[04:31] <rsolma> no drivers avaiable
[04:31] <nine_> john, there are many linus distro's
[04:31] <nine_> it may  be a zip for rpm
[04:32] <john_buffalo2012> kubunt12.4 i believeu
[04:32] <nine_> can u find any files in there that are .deb?
[04:32] <rsolma> hardware drivers show no option to install fgrlx
[04:32] <john_buffalo2012> i unziped it in terminal then chmod a+x
[04:32] <nine_> hmm
[04:33] <john_buffalo2012> sh run it executes then says something when i pick a install version
[04:33] <nine_> does x run ur drive well right now?
[04:34] <nine_> I assume u have tried the extra driver installer tool?
[04:35] <john_buffalo2012> yea bt i cant play certain games well with out the third party driver. distro offers alternative driver but its not the same.glxgears doesnt run well
[04:35] <nine_> hmm
[04:36] <nine_> i have a feeling that driver is incompatable with ur current Kubuntu...
[04:36] <john_buffalo2012> glxgears runs fine with default install driver but game doesnt run well with it
[04:36] <rsolma> hmm seems others cant install propritary drivers eaither
[04:36] <john_buffalo2012> in the past, the game worked fine with the driver download (ubuntu 8 and previous versions)
[04:37] <john_buffalo2012> ubutnu 10*
[04:38] <john_buffalo2012> i cant install drivers from the site. had this problem the last two year with ubuntu. works fine with other distros just not these ones
[04:38] <nine_> yea, have u tried the upgrade to ubuntu 12.10?
[04:38] <nine_> there was lso a fix version that came out 12.04.1
[04:38] <nine_> also>
[04:39] <john_buffalo2012> not yet, but i assume i would have the same problem based on previous experiences upgrading with previous versions these last few years
[04:39] <nine_> i have seen new long terms break what was once good...
[04:39] <nine_> part of the licencing junk
[04:39] <nine_> yea
[04:40] <nine_> u maybe sol  my friend
[04:40] <john_buffalo2012> i can try upgrading. a friend said his system was fine after upgrade.
[04:40] <nine_> mine is
[04:40] <john_buffalo2012> i have faith in the new kubuntu
[04:40] <nine_> actually Kubuntu is working better than Ubuntu 12.10 at the moment
[04:40] <nine_> on my systems
[04:41] <nine_> me too :)
[04:43] <nine_> I hope u find an answer, but if it stopped working i am sure its cause the driver became not available to the Ubuntu world anymore
[04:45] <john_buffalo2012> in the past i downloaded all ati drivers from the site and instaled themtion of ubuntu and kubuntu,  manually. worked in older distribu
[04:45] <john_buffalo2012> these last few versions of ubuntu have been very unstable for me
[04:46] <john_buffalo2012> window users are impressed with this new kubuntu version
[04:50] <Marius80> hi
[04:50] <john_buffalo2012> hi
[04:50] <nine_> yea John, I have seen things work in older and break in newer, as well as backwards...  there os so much that goes on behind closed doors to keep Linux down
[04:50] <Marius80> does anyone here know how to set up a wifi connection only using the CLI ?
[04:50] <Marius80> iwconfig failed for me,  using /etc/interfaces also did not work out
[04:51] <Marius80> and wpa_supplicant  could be the last solution but I'm kinda disappointed
[04:51] <nine_> what wifi chip u have?
[04:51] <john_buffalo2012> i think your right nine. skype works better now that microsoft bought them out.
[04:51] <nine_> yea
[04:52] <nine_> Marius80, is ur wifi broadcom?
[04:52] <Marius80> nine_, I just try to find an anwer
[04:52] <Marius80> fact is, I've got no clue :(
[04:53] <nine_> what laptop?
[04:53] <Marius80> broadcom = dhcp?
[04:53] <Marius80> toshiba
[04:53] <nine_> no
[04:53] <Marius80> yes, it's a toshiba laptop
[04:53] <john_buffalo2012> when i was using a broadcom, i used madwifi drivers sometimes and they worked
[04:53] <nine_> broadcom is the chipset that sends receives wifi signals
[04:53] <john_buffalo2012> that was 4 years ago
[04:55] <nine_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383717
[04:56] <Marius80> nine_, he goes the syslog
[04:56] <Marius80> http://pastebin.com/bX2NijWH
[04:57] <nine_> Marius80, u may need to contact realtek  and get a wifi driver
[04:57] <Marius80> nine_, actually it has worked before
[04:57] <Marius80> I installed a driver using ndiswrapper
[04:58] <Marius80> then I could connect to wifi's
[04:58] <nine_> before what?
[04:58] <Marius80> before I moved into my new flat
[04:58] <Marius80> in this flat,  I could not connect to the wifi
[04:58] <Marius80> so I uninstalled the network manager in KDE
[04:58] <Marius80> and installed wicd
[04:58] <nine_> so in gui ur wifi still see's available connections?
[04:58] <Marius80> since wicd also produced errors,  I decided going back to the good, old shell
[04:59] <Marius80> yes, the GUI shows me everything
[04:59] <nine_> oh  haha
[04:59] <Marius80> and I can connect to wifi at my workplace
[04:59] <Marius80> and school
[04:59] <Marius80> everywhere
[04:59] <Marius80> just not at home :)
[04:59] <FloodBotK1> Marius80: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:59] <Shaan7> Marius80: its not homesick then :P
[04:59] <Marius80> Sorry FloodBotK1
[04:59] <nine_> that'a an ip issue
[05:00] <nine_> I bet its not in ur laptop nor Kubuntu but in a setting inside ur Wifi router
[05:00] <nine_> t sounds very much like an IP conflict
[05:00] <Marius80> might be,  but it works from windows and mac os
[05:01] <Marius80> and I cannot tell my room mate to change it :)
[05:01] <nine_> so u have no control over it hey
[05:01] <Marius80> nine_, how comes that mac os and windows can connect?
[05:02] <nine_> depending on the setting, there are many reasons it will not accept a connection from ur linux, including computer name
[05:03] <Marius80> lol, is my router a racist?
[05:04] <Marius80> nine_, can we check if I did it right?
[05:04] <nine_> lol, i'd have to know what protction settings he hhas on that router to tell u that answer
[05:05] <nine_> 1 more question
[05:05] <Marius80> /etc/network/interfaces contains:
[05:05] <Marius80> auto lo
[05:05] <Marius80> iface lo inet loopback
[05:05] <Marius80> auto wlan0
[05:05] <Marius80> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[05:05] <Marius80>     wpa-ssid name_of_the_network
[05:05] <FloodBotK1> Marius80: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:05] <nine_> find out if he is running 802.1g, or 802.1n
[05:05] <Marius80> how?
[05:06] <Marius80> nine_, http://pastebin.com/dFBSt8yX
[05:06] <Marius80> then I only do  "ifup wlan0"
[05:06] <Marius80> is this wrong?
[05:06] <nine_> check on  line google to see the format that the specific router is running, Linux has no ability to connect to 802.1n at this time
[05:06] <Marius80> is there anything missing?
[05:07] <nine_> doesn't look  like it, I am sure its a setting on his router
[05:07] <nine_> or its only broadcasting in 'N' format
[05:08] <nine_> specially if its working fine other places
[05:08] <nine_> it has nothing to do with ur computer
[05:08] <Marius80> so I need to find out the router name at first
[05:09] <Marius80> one moment please
[05:10] <Marius80> nine_, I just found something out
[05:10] <Marius80> maybe I always used the wrong SSID
[05:10] <Marius80> is the SSID what I see as name of the available networks?
[05:10] <Marius80> or is the SSID what the router tells me at the bottomside?
[05:11] <nine_> hmm
[05:11] <nine_> i am rusty at the technical side
[05:11] <nine_> 1 minute
[05:12] <nine_> no the ssid is the name u need to connect with
[05:13] <nine_> then u have to maaake sure what broad cast format he is using like wep
[05:14] <nine_> wpa4
[05:14] <nine_> if he's using wpa enterprise
[05:14] <nine_> or personal
[05:14] <Marius80> I am looking up the modem
[05:14] <Marius80> one moment please
[05:16] <Marius80> nine_, cannot find any further infos about the modem
[05:17] <Marius80> is my /etc/network/interfaces file correct?
[05:17] <Marius80> how would you connect using the shell?
[05:17] <nine_> again, if the format isn't correct u won't be able to connnect any way but direct wire
[05:18] <nine_> how smart is he in wifi security?
[05:18] <Marius80> who?
[05:18] <Marius80> my room mate?
[05:18] <nine_> he may  have it set up in ways only licenced OS's can connect
[05:18] <nine_> yea
[05:18] <Marius80> oh my goodness
[05:19] <Marius80> actually he does not have any clue about PC's
[05:19] <nine_> or again if he is broadcasting only in 802.1n then u will not be able to connect
[05:19] <nine_> lol
[05:19] <Marius80> I try what happens if I use a cable
[05:20] <Marius80> will be back soon (hopefully)
[05:20] <nine_> Apple now used 'n' as a standard, but not even son ps3's use the "n" standard yet
[05:33] <john_buffalo2012> well after the ungrade no improvment in the propriortary driver install. i will try to mess with it tomorrow
[05:45] <ashes> hello
[05:46] <ashes> i installed kubuntu on my file server. i use x11 forwarding as a login to it, to open konsole. i'm wondering if i can disable loading kde on it on boot, to save ram, if that's possible
[05:46] <ashes> uhm
[05:47] <ashes> kdm even
[05:47] <ashes> can i load xorg on boot instead of kdm?
[05:47] <ashes> i'm new to this x11 forwarding. i'm not sure how it all works
[05:48] <almoxarife> ashes: simple enough to check, kill kdm from ssh connection,
[05:48] <almoxarife> ashes: unless you need to drive 100 miles if things go wrong, then don't
[05:48] <ashes> how would i set this up on boot though?
[05:49] <ashes> no. it's in the same room with me
[05:49] <ashes> i think i want to load xorg instead of kdm
[05:49] <almoxarife> ashes: kdm is being called from ???? brb
[05:49] <ashes> and see if that wrks
[05:49] <ashes> i didn't set up kdm. kubuntu did
[05:49] <almoxarife> ashes: xorg loads kdm
[05:50] <almoxarife> xorg > kdm
[05:50] <almoxarife> i think
[05:50] <ashes> i understand that
[05:50] <ashes> but i am not familiar with the ubuntu or debian /etc configuration files
[05:50] <almoxarife> let me see where kdm is loaded on my end ashes
[05:51] <almoxarife> ashes: i figure in the end they all basically do the same thing
[05:51] <ashes> yes, but the boot scripts load different files
[05:52] <ashes> i'm a bsd person
[05:52] <ashes> if this was bsd, i wouldn't be asking any questions
[05:53] <ashes> debian is very different to me
[05:56] <almoxarife> ashes: well then for starters, install 'recoll' , think of it as 'google for the system' , have it index the key config dir/folders, then search in recoll for key words, too simple
[05:57] <ashes> ok
[05:57] <ashes> uh
[05:57] <ashes> if i search for kdm, it will get a lot of hits though
[05:57] <almoxarife> you are on bds and i am on opensuse, so you are still out of luck
[05:58] <almoxarife> ashes: true it would, but only certain ones matter, the ones in conf/rc/etc like places, and the ones that point to the 'man' for kdm even
[06:01] <almoxarife> ashes: this will work with little overhead and less pain, install another display manager, say 'openbox'  , light as it gets, have the server come-up on openbox, that will reduce overhead and still allow for a ssh -x session
[06:05] <ashes> uhm
[06:05] <ashes> i want kde
[06:05] <ashes> i want konsole
[06:05] <ashes> ok
[06:05] <ashes> if kdm has to run, that's ok. i was just hoping to save a bit of ram
[06:06] <ashes> just for efficiency
[06:06] <ashes> i'm not familiar with anything else
[06:07] <almoxarife> ashes: sure, konsole from ssh should run regardless of the other sides dm, i ssh into a ubuntu server from a kde on opensuse, i get gnome on this end, i don't have gnome installed on this end
[06:08] <almoxarife> ashes: but i don't have full blown out gnome install on the server, get it?
[06:08] <ashes> i understand i don't need kde on the client end, but i run kde on all ends because it's what i am familar with. i'll typically install the same apps on all machines
[06:08] <ashes> i'm not trying to save disc space, only ram
[06:09] <almoxarife> ashes: fine, on the server, install qtrazor, its about as light kde as there is, the server should then run light with all the options avail to run bloated,
[06:10] <ashes> but with kde, i'm guessing that apps depend on other kde apps running
[06:10] <almoxarife> ashes: i have been talking ram bloat
[06:10] <ashes> ok
[06:10] <almoxarife> ashes: the apps bring up what they need to run, as long as they are avail
[06:11] <ashes> i use this server as an android build system, and file server. ram is valuable
[06:11] <ashes> it has 4gb
[06:12] <almoxarife> ashes: i just rooted and installed android on a kindle 6.3.1 , so you know android/>?
[06:13] <ashes> i know toolchains. i am learning android
[06:13] <almoxarife> that was my first experience with root and android
[06:13] <almoxarife> i can't say i know any of it
[06:13] <ashes> i have built a native kernel, built on my arm box, and booted it on my phone
[06:13] <almoxarife> i can't find the reset-default on android eveb
[06:14] <ashes> android is difficult, because half of it is closed source
[06:14] <almoxarife> ashes: really? who owns it?
[06:14] <ashes> bsd source can be closed source
[06:14] <ashes> and so android roms can be closed source
[06:15] <ashes> making something great from android source takes a lot of work
[06:15] <almoxarife> so far i am liking android on the kindle tablet, with google store its wonderful, lots nicer than a kindle-fire stock
[06:16] <ashes> and finding full discloser developers is not easy
[06:16] <ashes> i stopped using google market. i use f-droid because all apps are open source
[06:17] <almoxarife> ashes: i assume i can do the same, how would i? web site?
[06:17] <almoxarife> repo?
[06:17] <ashes> f-droid
[06:17] <ashes> it's a market replacement
[06:17] <almoxarife> i don't want to replace, can't add another?
[06:17] <ashes> sure
[06:18] <ashes> you can add it
[06:18] <almoxarife> we should move over to #android, someone is going to throw a fit here soon
[06:18] <ashes> f-droid is a free android app store
[06:18] <ashes> sure
[06:19] <ashes>  /j #android
[07:53] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, mein Kubuntu froze yesterday with the nividia-current.
[09:55] <Teo_> Hello! If someone, not english-spleaking, downloads Kubuntu, and install its... he sees all the messages in English. This didn't happen in previous Kubuntu versions because the DVD had other languages inside. Is this way or only happens to me?
[09:58] <hateball> Teo_: you can press F6 when the DVD boots and change language
[09:59] <hateball> You should be able to change language when you choose to install as well, even if you initially booted in English
[09:59] <Teo_> hateball: Yes, they you can choose another language. But when the installation is complete, you reboot your computer and then you see all the messages in English.
[10:00] <Teo_> As I know some English, I can look for options to install another language files, but people that doesn't know English, can they install Kubuntu?
[10:00] <lordievader> Teo_: That shouldn't happen if you selct a different language during the install.
[10:01] <Teo_> Maybe I should fill a bug?
[10:01] <hateball> Teo_: actually you only need to press any key what so ever when the DVD boots to change language
[10:02] <Teo_> hateball: This was that way in previous Kubuntu editions, with the DVD. But now, without a 4 GB edition,  everything is in English after rebooting
[10:02] <hateball> Teo_: Well it's possible that if you don't have an internet connection during install it wont download the language packages
[10:03] <Teo_> hateball: Yes, I installed it without an internet connection
[10:19] <yofel> Teo_: depends on the language, there are some languages shipped on the image, the rest needs an internet connection
[10:19] <yofel> otherwise you need to install them later
[10:20] <Teo_> yofel: I tried to install Kubuntu in Spanish and when I rebooted, I saw all the texts in English. Maybe there are no other languages than English. Anyway, thanks for confirming that you need an internet connection for installing language files
[10:21] <hateball> Going into the language config post-install (with internet connection) should trigger downloading the missing language packs
[10:21] <hateball> Of course that depends on reading english well enough to find that
[10:22] <Teo_> Yes, I'm afraid that billions of people can't do that :-(
[10:23] <hateball> well then either you install with internet, or make a custom DVD with languages included
[10:26] <Teo_> I would like to note that, in previous Kubuntu versions, people hadn't to do those things, because they had a 4GB DVD edition. Does someone think this is a new bug?
[10:28] <Riddell> Teo_: we're missing the notifier "language packs not entirely installed, should I install them?" in this release, it's tasked to add it back for next one
[10:29] <Teo_> Riddell: Thanks, it happened to me, too.
[10:30] <hateball> Teo_: well there is a 3.2GB DVD... isnt spanish on that?
[10:30] <Teo_> hateball: Wait, where is that?
[10:30] <hateball> I havent done a new install on 12.04 with anything other than english so I dunno
[10:30] <hateball> Teo_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[10:31] <Teo_> hateball: That's for "precise" :-)
[10:31] <hateball> Teo_: oh! I'm behind the times :>
[10:31]  * hateball usually just runs LTS
[10:32] <Teo_> hateball: The situation for the latest Kubuntu seems to have changed, and I found it a little weird
[10:32] <hateball> Teo_: Yeah I see that now, sorry
[10:32] <Teo_> You are helping as much as you can :-) . Thanks, anyway!
[11:06] <kRush_> derp, i just hid the menubar in quassel. how do I get it back?
[11:09] <kRush_> nvm, ctrl+m
[11:20] <discovered> Anyone Can help me for backtracing the konsole please? I don't why it is crashing today when i am trying to select text on it
[11:24] <yofel> discovered: doesn't the crashhandler (drkonqi) start when it crashes?
[11:24] <discovered> yofel, I installed the minimal kde , So i am not sure if that package installed
[11:25] <yofel> it's part of kde-runtime which pretty much has to be installed.
[11:26] <yofel> discovered: does your ~/.xsession-errors have any useful information?
[11:32] <discovered> yofel, http://pastebin.com/hGXvYsWu
[11:32] <discovered> I copied last lines
[11:34] <yofel> probably the X Errors. But I have no idea how to debug those right now :/
[11:37] <discovered> Perhaps the same problem https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303390 but for me it is happening when trying to select any text from knosole.
[11:43] <discovered> yofel, crashhandler is a packager?
[11:44] <yofel> no, drkonqi is the kde crash handling application, I was just wondering why that wasn't triggered
[12:17] <alex______> buongiorno
[12:17] <alex______> ho appena installato kubundu :)
[12:18] <alex______> c'è qualcuno che mi da qualche info al riguardo?
[12:44] <Kvaks> I update with muon updater whenever there are available updates. Quite often, it tells be a reboot is necessary. Any idea which packages are causing this? It's annoying and feels a bit like I
[12:44] <Kvaks> ... like I'm in Microsoft land.
[12:47] <diego> ciaoo
[12:47] <diego> !list
[12:49] <luc4> Kvaks: commonly a kernel update requires a reboot. But you can delay as long as you want.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:54] <Kvaks> luc4: Ok. Maybe there should be a way to exclude kernel updates unless they are critical.
[12:55] <lordievader> Kvaks: In many package managers you can lock the version number.
[12:56] <yofel> or he could remove the kernel meta packages. That won't remove the kernel, but will prevent future updates
[12:57] <yofel> Kvaks: most of the time it's easiest to just ignore the reboot notification though
[12:57] <yofel> or you can hide it in the tray
[12:58] <Kvaks> Yeah, I guess. Keep the kernel updates and only reboot when I would reboot for other reasons?
[12:58] <yofel> right
[12:58] <lordievader> Agreed have been doing that for many days now on my server :)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, what were you doing when your system froze? Also take a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
[13:02] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, it was two days ago or so. I do not know what I did but it happens randomly.
[13:03] <Graf_Westerholt> Xorg.0.log says [    50.002] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, that's just your direct rendering which your system can run without in desktop effects.That error shouldn't freeze anything
[13:12] <BluesKaj> I think there may be a bug in kwin
[13:17] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, but why cannot I switch to the terminal with CTRL+ALT+F1 ?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, is your KB locked ?
[13:19] <Graf_Westerholt> When Kubuntu freezes? It seems so. I cannot switch tho the terminal.
[13:20] <Graf_Westerholt> I pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and after that I pressed CTRL+ALT+DEL. I guess Linux should reboot then, but it did not.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> no , I mean when you try to switch to the TTY
[13:21] <Graf_Westerholt> I can do it now.
[13:21] <Graf_Westerholt> Can log in at TTY.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, , ok seems you need an xorg.conf file , at the TTY , sudo service lightdm or kdm stop, then sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[13:24] <Graf_Westerholt> Why do I need an xorg.conf?
[13:25] <xixor> yo, anyone tried the preload package with kubuntu/kde?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xorg.conf
[13:26] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I know what the Xorg.conf is, but I thougt today you do not need it anymore.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> read further , some nvidia products do
[13:27] <BluesKaj> xixor, preload package ?
[13:27] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I guess Xorg.conf will not help, because it runs fine, just freeze a few weeks or days.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, besides it can't hurt to have one
[13:28] <Graf_Westerholt> Sure, I'll try, but I guess it will not help.
[13:28] <yofel> wait, what driver is even being used? (from dri/card0 it sounds like nouveau)
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, how do know it won't help
[13:28] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, feeling. ;)
[13:28] <Graf_Westerholt> yofel, I installed nvidia-current.
[13:29] <yofel> then you need an xorg.conf I believe
[13:29] <yofel> or it'll still try to use nouveah
[13:29] <yofel> I think
[13:29] <Graf_Westerholt> yofel, I had the nouveau before the nvidia-current and it froze.
[13:29] <yofel> does it use the nvidia driver?
[13:30] <Graf_Westerholt> It uses the nvidia.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, run , glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[13:31] <yofel> hm, then the driver should be fine at least
[13:31] <Graf_Westerholt> I guess it is not the driver. But what can freeze the system?
[13:32] <Graf_Westerholt> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[13:32] <Graf_Westerholt> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9300 GE/PCIe/SSE2
[13:32] <Graf_Westerholt> OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 304.43
[13:32] <Graf_Westerholt> OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
[13:32] <Graf_Westerholt> OpenGL extensions:
[13:33] <BluesKaj> well you have the nvidia 304.43 driver alright
[13:34] <BluesKaj> then the xorg file should help keep things stable , but since it happens so seldom it could be a kwin anomaly bug
[13:35] <Graf_Westerholt> Is there a log-file for kwin?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, i think it will show in the Xorg logs
[13:39] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[13:39] <BluesKaj> don't see a kwin log
[13:39] <Graf_Westerholt> I try the Xorg.conf and wait.
[13:41] <Graf_Westerholt> Going to create the xorg.conf. Bye!
[13:42] <BluesKaj> nvidia-xconfig , Graf_Westerholt
[13:42] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, sorry?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> that's the command , with sudo
[13:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes, you wrote that. :D
[13:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Graf_Westerholt, , ok seems you need an xorg.conf file , at the TTY , sudo service lightdm or kdm stop, then sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ok good
[13:43] <Graf_Westerholt> But I have to log out from KDE, right?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> the TTY
[13:45] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, what do you want to say?
[13:46] <xixor> BluesKaj: preload is a daemon that watches which applications you run frequently, and preloads the application and their dependencies into memory so that those applications start much faster.  Similar to the prefetch in windows.  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Preload
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt,  I already said it , the post you quoted , just follow that.ctrl+alt+F1 or 2 to drop to the TTY.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> xixor, i see a package called preload in synaptic that seems to fit what you described.
[13:59] <xixor> yes, it's there
[14:00] <xixor> you use synaptic? not muon?
[14:04] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, now I have a nice litte xorg.conf.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> xixor, yup I prefer synaptic , muon was buggy and i don't mind a few gtk-libs ...mostly use synaptic as a reference for packages , seldom use it to install , but I do use it to purge stuff
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, cool , let's hope it keeps your desktop and Xserver stable now
[14:08] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, maybe you can help me with this, too: cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
[14:08] <Graf_Westerholt> 176
[14:10] <xixor> BluesKaj: I haven't had a chance to try this preload yet. I am mainly interested in seeing if I can speed up the launch time of dolphin and konsole
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt,  what's the problem there ?
[14:11] <Graf_Westerholt> With 176 I cannot restart the X Server with ALT+PRINT+K
[14:12] <Graf_Westerholt> I can set it to 1 in the sysrq but at the next boot it is back to 176
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, 176 is the default
[14:13] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, right, but disables the X Server restart.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> startx
[14:13] <Graf_Westerholt> When it freezes.
[14:13] <mad-leigh> hello, new to this irc chat.. just gonna kick back n watch for a while.. no issues yet... though I am using Tux By Frank Pieczynski Based on graphics of the game "pingus". and I would like a option to have about 20 Tux's on my screen doing there thing, kinda like a see through screen saver ... cheers ..
[14:14] <simion314> anyone here can help me troubleshot a microphone problem?is more complex then unmuting the mic, I already spent a lot of time trying many thngs
[14:20] <mad-leigh> was it this room I was just in a few mins ago?
[14:20] <mad-leigh> booted myself
[14:21] <xixor> mad-leigh: you're irc client appears to have quit approximately 40 seconds ago
[14:23] <xixor> mad-leigh: what's a Tux by Frank Pieczynksi?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> simion314, is the mic connected to a headset , if so that's a hit and miss problem
[14:33] <simion314> BluesKaj: yes it is on a headset, and it worked sometime ago on same kubuntu version
[14:34] <BluesKaj> simion314, which app were you using while connected , skype or an IM ?
[14:35] <simion314> BluesKaj: i tried audaicty at first, then arecord(or similar) also no meter levels in pavucontrol
[14:37] <BluesKaj> simion314, does it show as an input in alsamixer
[14:38] <simion314> BluesKaj: yes, front and rear but neither work ,sometimes I get noise..
[14:39] <simion314> so the device is detected, it detects when I plug it in front or rear
[14:40] <BluesKaj> I have to ask , is the switch on the line to the headset turned on and turned up ?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> simion314, that's about as much as I know about mics and headsets , since I seldom use mine anymore
[14:44] <simion314> BluesKaj: thx for your time
[14:55] <BluesKaj> simion314, is it possible the mic is muted in pavucontrol ?
[14:55] <simion314> BluesKaj: no,it is not muted
[14:57] <BluesKaj> simion314, which soundcard ?
[14:58] <simion314> BluesKaj: it is an inegrated card that uses this chipset VT1708S
[15:00] <simion314> BluesKaj: I googled it, most results are from the past  not relevant now,I tried a lot of stuf like adding options in alsa-base.conf
[15:01] <BluesKaj> simion314, did you reload the kernel module , sudo modprobe snd_hda-intel ?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> or snd-hda-intel rather
[15:06] <BluesKaj> simion314, when you run the command there will be no output in the cli when the module loads properly
[15:08] <simion314> BluesKaj: no error
[15:08] <BluesKaj> anyway I have some stuff to do , so I'll BBL
[15:12] <Guest66753> is there a launcher widget for only specific category? for example i would click my Multimedia launcher and it would display only amarok, dragon player, k3b, and kmix?
[15:46] <tomatto> hi
[15:47] <tomatto> please, in main repositories is not midnight commander?
[15:51] <xixor> tomatto: it's there, the package name is: mc
[15:51] <xixor> tomatto: sudo apt-get update;  sudo apt-cache search midnight
[15:51] <tomatto> xixor: i tried sudo apt-get install mc, but nothing
[15:52] <xixor> does it say that it can't find the package?
[15:53] <tomatto> xixor: yes, it is reason why i am asking for
[15:53] <tomatto> i am going to try that search
[15:57] <tomatto> xixor: it is now called mc in repository, nice surprise. sorry and thanks
[16:00] <xixor> a'ight
[16:12] <ovidiu-florin> hello is there an application that can backup my system so I can restore all my settings and preferences after reinstall? preferabily to back-up on a remote computer?
[16:13] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: all the application settings are in your home directory
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: if I tar.gz my home, and restore it after reinstall, all the settings and preferences will stay the same?
[16:14] <xixor> yes, they should
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> any problems if my new system is 64bit and the previous was 32?
[16:14] <xixor> for this reason it is nice to have your /home directory on an entirely separate partition.  This way you can re-install linux, and your data and settings remain
[16:14] <xixor> most settings should be fine
[16:15] <ovidiu-florin> for example I use many computers, and I want to copy all settings on all of them, is there a way to automate this?
[16:18] <xixor> you could probably write a shell script to automate this, probably definitely.  Is there a GUI-wizard to do this in a point and click easy way?  I dont' think so
[16:18] <ovidiu-florin> doesn't nepomuk do something like this?
[16:18] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Check out rsync, rsync is great for such tasks.
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> or at least just create the backup
[16:19] <xixor> I don't know if nepomuk does this
[16:19] <xixor> I've never really used nepomuk, so cannot comment on it
[16:19] <xixor> yes, rsync is a good suggestion for this type of thing
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying nepomuk right now
[16:20] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll research on rsync
[16:20] <SIR_Taco> ovidiu-florin: nepomuk indexs file names, meta data, contents of files, emails and their contents, etc. for easy searching
[16:20] <ovidiu-florin> thank you xixor and lordievader
[16:20] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Mount all the targets on one machine and let rsync do all the work.
[16:21] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: to have something like a centralised server that syncronises all machines?
[16:23] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Not really, but you could compare it to something like that. Though the mount is just temporary. You only need to do it once right?
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> not necesarily
[16:24] <ovidiu-florin> i'm thinking at a system that keeps the same DE and settings on all machines at all time
[16:24] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Oh well it doesn't matter, you use something like nfs/smb to mount the network drives. And then you write a script that syncs all the (wanted) directories.
[16:24] <ovidiu-florin> something like dropbox, but for my desktop not just my files
[16:25] <mad-leigh> sorry for not replying til now, was side tracked.
[16:25] <mad-leigh> Amor
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> it would be a lot easier to just sync my desktop than use remote desktop connection every time
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> and it would almost be like working on the same machine all the time
[16:27] <xixor> I would say that things like that sound good in theory, but are difficult in practice
[16:27] <lordievader> xixor: What?
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> can you give me an example why?
[16:27] <xixor> syncing all linux desktop settings and dot-files across multiple machines
[16:28] <lordievader> xixor: It's one command?
[16:28] <DarthFrog> xixor:  Unless you have your home directory in the cloud. :-)
[16:28] <lordievader> (per machine...)
[16:28] <xixor> the probelm is with differences in configuration.  Lets say you then put it on a 12" laptop, and the keyboard configuration is slightly different
[16:28] <ovidiu-florin> DarthFrog: that's exactly what I'm talking about
[16:28] <xixor> so now your config on one machine is slightly different
[16:28] <SIR_Taco> or if they're all stationary, and you have a network mounted /home
[16:28] <lordievader> xixor: Ah yes there you are right, but you could track those settings down and put in an exclude for rsync.
[16:29] <DarthFrog> ovidiu-florin: That's a return to thin-client, fat server computing.  i.e. the Unixen workstations of the 80's.
[16:29] <ovidiu-florin> DarthFrog: I haven't heard about that
[16:30] <xixor> My solution is to put my various rc/dot files into a mercurial repository.  .bashrc, .vimrc, .irrsi/config, .xinitrc, and then check them out.  If I need to make a per-machine configuration tweak, then I fork the repository
[16:30] <DarthFrog> ovidiu-florin:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client
[16:30] <xixor> It takes about 5 minutes to setup KDE to my liking, so I don't bother syncing the ~/.kde folder
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> it takes about 30 minutes to configure and install my KDE
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> at least*
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> DarthFrog: this is not what I have in mind
[16:32] <xixor> well, installation time shouldn't be added to the 'time' estimate.  Because if you have some sort of complicated settings synchronization, the installation time will still be there
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> yes, but it spears me of tha time standing in front of the computer tweaking
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> DarthFrog: I'm talking about a normal Desktop/Notebook that just sincronises the desktop and applications settings across devices
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> I like xixor's Ideea about forking the settings on each individual machine
[16:35] <PasNox> hi, i would like to create a small service for my ubuntu but i don't really found usefull docs for that. i hve good knowledge of bash script. the probleme is mostly how i can i create the service script so stop / sstart works. and i would like to start before all logging services
[16:35] <PasNox> any hint please?
[16:35] <DarthFrog> ovidiu-florin:  Well then why not put your home directory on a NAS box and NFS mount it?
[16:35] <PasNox> kubuntu*
[16:35] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: It's very elegant.  I use bitbucket to store the mercurial repositories
[16:35] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: It's free, very fast, uses ssh-keys for authentication, and uses git, or mercurial, and allows for unlimited private repositories
[16:36] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: all of my source code, latex documents are also in this repository.    Easy to transfer between computers
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> I have a personal server and sftp for that
[16:37] <xixor> I've been thinking of adding an off-site entire partition backup with tar+gz/rsync to an offsite server as well
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> What I want is something that can run like a service or an application, and does this automatically, preferably before login, so that all settings apply when I login
[16:40] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: So make a startup script that mounts and syncs.
[16:40] <DarthFrog> ovidiu-florin:  That's what /etc/rc.local is for.
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> PasNox: hope this helps: http://conscs.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/creating-a-service-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[16:41] <simplew> Riddell: ping
[16:41] <simplew> yofel: around?
[16:41] <yofel> simplew: yes, but off to dinner, I'll be back in ~half an hour
[16:42] <PasNox> ovidiu-florin: thanks u.
[16:42] <simplew> yofel: ok
[16:43] <simplew> yofel: dinner at this time???
[16:43] <yofel> it's almost 6PM?
[16:43] <simplew> yofel: exactly
[16:43] <simplew> isnt too soon to dinner?
[16:43] <yofel> well, I didn't really have lunch today, that's why
[16:43] <yofel> bbl
[16:44] <PasNox> ovidiu-florin: hm looks like there is nothing special relate to startup like, start before another service etc ?
[16:44] <simplew> yofel: ok :)
[16:44] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: What is the number of unique installations you work on?
[16:44] <DarthFrog> PasNox: Startup order is determind by the S# of the script.
[16:45] <ovidiu-florin> 5 at the moment
[16:45] <DarthFrog> PasNox:  i.e S10<scriptname> will be started before S20<scriptname>
[16:45] <PasNox> DarthFrog: hm i'm reading other service script file and it looks there is dedicated content for that too ?
[16:46] <DarthFrog> PasNox:  have a look at the files in /etc/rc2.d  They are executed when entering run level 2.
[16:46] <PasNox> DarthFrog: things like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1324046
[16:46] <PasNox> ok, thanks.
[16:47] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: between 4 different computers across 2 different time zones, I'm at 11 different installations.  1 OSX, 1 Win8, 3 Win7, 2 Debian, 3 Kubuntu
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: 5 kubuntu
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: and seldom 1 xp
[16:49] <xixor> lol, I forgot to add an XP laptop too
[16:50] <xixor> which is used daily
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: are you just bragging ? :P
[16:50] <xixor> I was actually just curious,  I hadn't added them all up
[16:51] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: do you try to close windows on OSX throu the right upper corner of the window? :D
[16:52] <xixor> Hm.. no, not realy.  cmd+q all the way
[16:52] <ovidiu-florin> aaa, keyboard fan
[16:52] <xixor> the only problem I have is going from the macbook pro, to other PC laptops, as the macbook pro's trackpad is sooo nice, that using the Thinkpad or the HP laptops feels like I am using a machine from the stone age
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: lol
[16:53] <xixor> does KDE support 4 finger gestures I wonder?
[16:54] <SIR_Taco> most OS's have supported 3 finger gestures for quite a while now
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> I plan to buy a MacBook and put Kubutnu on it. Any opinions on that?
[16:55] <udsslayer> ovidiu-florin: don't
[16:55] <udsslayer> ovidiu-florin: its a PITA to get it to work properly
[16:56] <ovidiu-florin> udsslayer: PITA?
[16:56] <ovidiu-florin> udsslayer: oh, got it
[16:56] <udsslayer> pain in the a**
[16:57] <ovidiu-florin> udsslayer: you only have to do it once
[16:57] <udsslayer> yeah
[16:57] <udsslayer> but still...
[16:57] <xixor> I tried to use both kubuntu, and debian on my macbook pro... I wouldn't recommend it.  Run the linux in a VM
[16:57] <DarthFrog> ovidiu-florin: Why not get a notebook/laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed?
[16:57] <xixor> well... if your machine is going to be a stationary machine, hooked up to the same external display all the time, and not being a "mobile" machine, then I think kubuntu/linux might be alright
[16:58] <xixor> but if you want to have a "mobile" laptop, then I would say keep OSX.  Why?  OSX is an *amazing* mobile OS.  Open the lid everything works, close the lid, it hibernates instantly, open it up, wifi, graphics, external devices, all come up, all the hot keys work, battery life is phenomenal, the 4 finger gestures on the trackpad are amazing
[16:59] <DarthFrog> xixor: The only trouble with that is it's Apple.
[16:59] <xixor> well the problem with kubuntu is that it's linux
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> DarthFrog: good point
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: I don't see that as a problem
[17:00] <DarthFrog> xixor: And how is that a problem?   <not a snarky question>
[17:00] <xixor> Linux is great.  I love deciding which of the dozen forks/half-written pieces of software to choose for any given task
[17:01] <ovidiu-florin> simple, make your own :P
[17:01] <DarthFrog> xixor: Ah.  you want someone else to choose for you.  Got it.
[17:01] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: anyhoo, if I were to buy a mobile machine that was to run linux, then I'd get a system76 machine
[17:01] <PasNox> xixor: i'm working daily on a macpro mahcine.
[17:01] <PasNox> this thing is all but usable.
[17:02] <SIR_Taco> DarthFrog: ;)
[17:02] <PasNox> if my boss would allow me, long time i will have deleted this crappy os.
[17:02] <PasNox> in 2012 an os that does not allow to cut / past files/folders is incredible.
[17:03] <PasNox> but it's what mac os x is.
[17:03] <PasNox> resizing a windows from everywhere, it's what they finally copied in 2012.
[17:03] <PasNox> what an amazing os :)
[17:03] <xixor> remember 6 months ago when kubuntu with kde 4.8 couldn't run for more than half a day without crashing?  that was sweet
[17:04] <PasNox> 4.8 has always been stable for me, even 4.7
[17:04] <PasNox> but before that, i agree kde was not so stable.
[17:04] <PasNox> regarding kubuntu, i admit, looks it's not the best distro for kde.
[17:04]  * PasNox point his eyes to chakra.
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: never had that problem
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> PasNox: any recommendations?
[17:06] <PasNox> ovidiu-florin: recommend kde distrib ? no i will not recommand anyone as i never really use something other than kubuntu until the last years.
[17:06] <PasNox> mandriva was a more bad thing ;)
[17:06] <xixor> I like kubuntu
[17:06] <PasNox> i tried chakra recetly i was liking it, but  package systeme rebut me
[17:06] <DarthFrog> xixor: So why are you running Linux at all, then?
[17:07] <xixor> DarthFrog: my stance is that all operating systems suck
[17:07] <xixor> DarthFrog: Some just suck a little bit less at a few things than others
[17:08] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: comment to that: I can put my picture on KMenu
[17:08] <DarthFrog> xixor:  no disagreement there. :-)
[17:08] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: can OSX do that?
[17:08] <xixor> DarthFrog: rather than getting evangelical about it, I use OSX, Windows, and Linux on a daily basis, and just choose the best/most appropriate tool for the job
[17:09] <ovidiu-florin> xixor: (just a joke, no offence meant)
[17:09] <xixor> For instance, OSX is great for graphics.  I know it's cliche to say it, but supporting native PDF copy and paste between applications is really handy
[17:09] <xixor> ovidiu-florin: OSX doesn't have a "start" menu the way that windows or KDE has
[17:09] <yofel> simplew: re
[17:10] <BluesKaj> xixor, wish I had the freetime on the job that you seem to have , when I was still working  :)
[17:10] <DarthFrog> xixor: I agree with you: Operating systems are tools, not religious choices.
[17:11] <yofel> people around here believe that operating systems are religions. Sadly I haven't yet found salvation even though I've been on linux for a few years
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: that reminds me... back to work
[17:11] <yofel> if anything it's the OS that annoys me the least
[17:11] <xixor> DarthFrog: I've used linux since 1997, with it as my sole installed OS for many years
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, :)
[17:12] <DarthFrog> xixor:  Linux since 1994.
[17:12] <ovidiu-florin> Linux since 2007. :)
[17:12] <SIR_Taco> yofel: every Saturday I sacrifice some old EDO ram to the Linux gods :P
[17:13] <xixor> BluesKaj: well, my job is programmer/scientist, and I run my own company.  Choosing the right OS for the job is simply a matter of time savings and/or delivering the best deliverable
[17:13] <yofel> the only EDO DIMM's I have are in theoretically still working IBM boxes that are lying around
[17:14] <yofel> can't get myself to throw them away T_T
[17:14] <SIR_Taco> yofel: in all fairness... the only EDO DIMM I have left is on my keychain ;)
[17:14] <yofel> :D
[17:15] <xixor> DarthFrog: which distro did you use back then?  I got started with Red Hat 4, then moved onto Debian a year after that
[17:17] <DarthFrog> xixor:  I first tried SLS but couldn't install it.  I finally succeeded with Slackware.  I ran Slack until Slack '96 before switching to Red Hat (4.0).  I tried many, many distros. :-)
[17:18] <DarthFrog> <-- ex-distro whore.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> ok guys the offtopic cops will interrupt this discussion soon , best to carry this next door to #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> Linux since 2007, born in 1991, almost at the same time with Linux :D
[17:28] <simplew> yofel: as i have told ya, i did a kubuntu install, and the problem about running KDE apps from dolphin as root do continue existing, but it continues to run other applications, for example right clicking in a text file and select to open it with libreoffice goes ok, it simply doesnt run KDE apps, says KDEINIT cant open the kde app
[17:29] <yofel> wait, give a few minutes to make a VM, I can't debug this as long as it works here
[17:30] <simplew> yofel: your running what?
[17:32] <yofel> quantal with about ever bit of KDE installed that you can find in the archive
[17:32] <yofel> *every
[17:33] <simplew> ok
[17:33] <simplew> yofel: but seams you didnt a new clean isntall
[17:34] <yofel> no, this was installed around 11.04 or so
[17:46] <borg-queen> i am having trouble mounting my windows ntfs drive and fdisk does not see the harddrive either.  I am running kubuntu which is installed on a SATA Raid 5 PCI controller card (no problems here) and I have Windows installed on a seperate physical harddrive (only ntfs partition on it) which is connected to my motherboard's SATA Port.
[17:51] <simplew> yofel: yes, so this is a bug that apparently is new to 12.10
[17:53] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, have you run sudo update-grub on kubuntu since installing it
[17:54] <xixor> borg-queen: I have a similar setup, my ntfs drive could be mounted in dolphin without any intervention on my part
[17:54] <xixor> borg-queen: I assume you have ntfs-3g installed.  Have you tried looking to see what gparted sees?  Does it show the NTFS disk?
[17:55] <xixor> borg-queen: also, does the disk appear in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?
[17:55] <borg-queen> xixor: gparted cannot find it either
[17:55] <SIR_Taco> xixor: does gparted not get its info from fdisk?
[17:55] <xixor> SIR_Taco: no idea. I  just like gparted
[17:55] <xixor> borg-queen: what about cfdisk?
[17:56] <BluesKaj> borg-queen,, I hot connected my sata drive and it showed up in dolphin without a reboot
[17:56] <borg-queen> xixor: cannot find cfdisk
[17:57] <xixor> hm.. ntfs-3g isn't a kernel module.  I'm not sure how to tell if it's working/loaded correctly
[17:57] <SIR_Taco> xixor: no, ntfs-3g is a program that uses the fuse kernel modules
[17:57] <xixor> Hm... I'm not sure which package cfdisk is in.  if gparted doesn't see it, I don't think that cfdisk will see it either
[17:58] <xixor> SIR_Taco: How does one check if it's loaded?  lsmod isn't listing fuse for me.  I haven't had to debug ntfs drive problems in like 5 or 6 years... I don't really know where to go from here
[17:58] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, run sudo blkid  and sudo update-grub
[17:59] <yofel>  os-prober won't find it either if fdisk doesn't
[17:59] <BluesKaj> anyway bbiab ...checking post/mail
[17:59] <yofel> borg-queen: you could check 'dmesg' for the disk initialization messages, and check if something's odd there
[18:00] <SIR_Taco> xixor: I do believe that fuse is built-in, not a module
[18:00] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: I just ran those... gparted still cannot find
[18:02] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, close then reopen gparted,
[18:04] <SIR_Taco> xixor: no, sorry... fuse is still a program not a module, my mistake. you'd require 'fuse' fuse-utils' 'libntfs10' 'ntfsprogs' 'ntfs-3g'
[18:04] <xixor> SIR_Taco: oic
[18:05] <xixor> SIR_Taco: I guess that is the whole "user space" part of the fuse name, eh?
[18:05] <SIR_Taco> xixor: yes
[18:06] <SIR_Taco> but, regardless, if it's not showing up in fdisk, it's nothing to do with those programs
[18:07] <borg-queen> yofel: I just looked through dmesg and I am not sure what I am looking for.  I cannot tell what is referring to harddrive identification or something else
[18:07] <xixor> I wonder if there is an atapi/ide bios setting involved here?
[18:07] <xixor> though, changing that might wreak havoc with the raid array
[18:08] <yofel> borg-queen: for the SATA disk something like this usually: http://paste.kde.org/587936
[18:09] <simplew> have you managed to check?
[18:09] <simplew> yofel: managed to check?
[18:09] <yofel> VM finished installing, will have it on in a sec
[18:09] <simplew> yofel: ok
[18:09] <borg-queen> xixor: now one thing to point out regarding my bios...I do have to go to the bios and tell it to change the boot up harddrive between the raid controller and my standalone windows drive to switch between the operating systems
[18:11] <BluesKaj> bor then you should have grub installed on / in kubuntu so it picks up the windows drive
[18:11] <SIR_Taco> borg-queen: do you have a pci card running your raid drives?
[18:11] <yofel> simplew: bah, lemme do a completely fresh install. I tried to use vmbuilder, which crashed for quantal, so I made a mini-install for precise and upgraded that
[18:11] <BluesKaj> borg-queen,^
[18:11] <yofel> simplew: but now I can open kate fine from dolphin as root :(
[18:13] <simplew> yofel: do this, open kcmshell userconfig and add another group to the user
[18:13] <simplew> yofel: and then set sudo with NOPASSWD
[18:13] <simplew> those are the things i did related to the user
[18:13] <borg-queen> BluesKaj Xixor yofel: Here is my dmesg output http://paste.kde.org/587942/
[18:14] <yofel> ok, trying
[18:14] <yofel> simplew: what group did you add?
[18:14] <simplew> yofel: let me check
[18:15] <simplew> yofel: the group "Use scanners"
[18:16] <yofel> bah, userconfig is buggy as hell *-.-
[18:18] <borg-queen> BluesKaj Xixor yofel: Essentially I trying to simply copy some files off my Linux drives and paste them on my Window Drive (the files are music, docs, pictures, etc.) and then I am going to wipe the RAID drive clean.  The RAID drives where originally on a seperate computer with this Kubuntu install and Windows was never installed on that box.  That motherboard took a bite and so I just installed the Raid drives/conroller on this
[18:18] <borg-queen> box which does have windows installed on the seperate harddrive
[18:19] <BluesKaj> demsg won't tell us much ..what's listed in grub will
[18:19] <xixor> borg-queen: Well, if you just want to grab some data, you might try just using explore2fs from windows (http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs).  Not pretty, but it might do what you're after
[18:20] <xixor> borg-queen: not sure if it's the best solution for you though.  Might be better to get grub going properly so you can dual boot
[18:20] <yofel> BluesKaj: dmesg shows a few IO_ERROR's on the ata devices, but I don't have time to look at this closer ATM
[18:21] <yofel> simplew: ok, bug reproduced o.O
[18:21] <borg-queen> xixor: Yea I tried that and it sees most of the Linux files but not the user files in the home partition ???.. I am trying to find grub so I can paste its contents now
[18:22] <simplew> yofel: so this problem was caused by adding anew group to the user???
[18:22] <simplew> yofel: but i did removed that group and then the problem continued existing
[18:22] <MySystem> hello is there a way to change offline audio stream volume because stream is a short sound and then disapears in micxer
[18:23] <eegore> I lost my kwallet password, is there anyway to reset it?
[18:23] <eegore> running 12.04
[18:25] <yofel> great, now I logged out and in again and it works again
[18:25] <yofel> bah
[18:25] <simplew> yofel: but here logging out doesnt fix the problem
[18:25] <yofel> actually
[18:26] <simplew> yofel: here i have removed the group again, and theproblem continues exisitng
[18:26] <yofel> I think NOPASSWD breaks it
[18:26] <swex> hi is there any person whos notification area icons shaking?
[18:26] <yofel> when it worked just now I had removed NOPASSWD from the admin group which the user was also part of
[18:27] <yofel> so... seem like kdesudo needs the password dialog to work properly @_@
[18:29] <simplew> yofel: so this problem is caused by sudo, since xhost sets are like they should be, see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/35x11-common_xhost-local
[18:29] <borg-queen> BluesKaj Xixor yofel: OK I just reinstalled Grub and updated it.  Here is my menu.lst file: http://paste.kde.org/587948/    It does not look like it found my WIndows drive either
[18:29] <simplew> yofel: but i dont get why in previous kubuntu versions worked ok
[18:29] <simplew> yofel: and now doesnt
[18:30] <simplew> yofel: anyway ill remove NOPASSWD to see if the problem disappears
[18:30] <simplew> loggin out
[18:31] <swex> swex
[18:31] <swex> oh sorry for prev, Is anybody have this bug when notification area icons shaking?
[18:32] <simplew> yofel: fu*, now dolhpin root runs kde apps fine
[18:32] <simplew> yofel: its really caused by NOPASSWD, so how can this be fixed?
[18:32] <SIR_Taco> swex: KDE 4.9.2 ?
[18:33] <yofel> no idea? Someone would have to debug this.
[18:33] <swex> SIR_Taco: yes!
[18:33] <simplew> yofel:  can you comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309233
[18:34] <SIR_Taco> swex: there is a bug report submitted, it has been fixed (from what I can tell) and the next update of KDE should address that issue
[18:35] <swex> SIR_Taco: can you give me link to this bug? Googling didn't give me anythign
[18:35] <SIR_Taco> swex: yea, give me a minute
[18:35] <yofel> simplew: no, not a KDE bug. kdesudo isn't KDE software. File a bug on Launchpad please
[18:36] <yofel> ubuntu-bug kdesudo
[18:37] <simplew> yofel: but listen this, if i do su -  and run dolphin from there and i have NOPASSWD set, the problem exists, so this isnt realted to kdesudo
[18:37] <xixor> kdesudo isn't KDE software?
[18:37] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/kdesudo
[18:37] <borg-queen> BluesKaj Xixor yofel: have you had a chance to look at my Grub yet?
[18:37] <simplew> yofel: this is not related ith kdesudo
[18:38] <swex> one more annoying bug: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?28421-(k)ubuntu-12.10-X-input-bug
[18:38] <xixor> hm.... interesting.  Does ubuntu sponsor launchpad?
[18:38] <xixor> borg-queen: No, sorry
[18:38] <xixor> borg-queen: grub scares me
[18:38] <yofel> simplew: I know that at least command line su/do resets the environment, try 'sudo -E'
[18:38] <yofel> running GUI apps with cli su/do is rally broken
[18:38] <yofel> by design though
[18:39] <yofel> *really
[18:39] <simplew> yofel: i have just uinstalled kdesudo, and im gg to test how it goes
[18:40] <yofel> borg-queen: sorry no, how many disks is the system supposed to find again? From what I see it sees 3 (sda, sdb, sdc - each with 1 partition)
[18:41] <simplew> yofel: i have set NOPASSWD again (now that kdesudo was uninstalled) and im gg to logout to test it
[18:41] <yofel> the first 2 are only 4GiB and 1GiB large though. Flash drives?
[18:41] <yofel> try it, kdesu might work
[18:41] <SIR_Taco> swex: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306992 that's one... can't find the Ubuntu related one, unfortunatley.
[18:43] <yofel> any luck with kdesu?
[18:43] <simplew> yofel: well running dolphin root runs kde apps from it
[18:43] <swex> SIR_Taco: thx
[18:43] <borg-queen> yofel: There are 4 physical harddrives all together.  3 are setup as a Raid 5, single disk, with 3 partitions (sda, sdb, sdc) using a MegaRaid PCI controller, and then 4th physical drive has windows installed on a NTFS partition directlly connected to one of the SATA ports on my Motherboard
[18:43] <SIR_Taco> swex: it has to do with the Kmix system tray  program... it constantly restarts... some have had success removing the Kmix system tray program
[18:44] <simplew> yofel: i dont use to type kdesu or kdesudo to run dolphin as root, i have simply copied /usr/share/Aplications/kde/dolphin.desktop into dolphinsu.desktop and simply add this line X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true   to allow to run dolphin as root
[18:44] <swex> SIR_Taco: mb but I need that)
[18:44] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, I was looking for the output from the command , sudo update-grub ..it's simpler and gives more relevant info
[18:45] <simplew> yofel: thats one way to run dolphin as root, but the result is the same as runing it from "kdesu dolpppppphin", or simply "su -" and run dolphin from it
[18:45] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: Here you go :)  http://paste.kde.org/587978/
[18:46] <simplew> yofel: so as you see i was not using kdesudo to run dolphin root, thats why i said was not related with kdesudo, but now that kdesudo is uninstalled the problem is also gone, so yes, the problem is related with kdesudo
[18:47] <simplew> yofel: xiii, kdesudo uninstall also uninstalled muon, how can this be possible?!?
[18:47] <yofel> kdesudo has to set a bunch of things to make the applications still work, I would guess that something of that is tied to the UI, which never opens if you don't need a password
[18:47] <yofel> but I'm really clueless here
[18:48] <yofel> o.O
[18:48] <simplew> how the hell one has put muon dependant on kdesudo?!
[18:48] <simplew> this is really bad packagement
[18:49] <yofel> libmuonprivate1 depends on kdesudo
[18:49] <yofel> don't ask me why
[18:49] <yofel> it doesn't even use it
[18:49] <simplew> yofel: can you show me that?
[18:49] <yofel> (the person responsible for muon does know what he's doing that though)
[18:49] <yofel> what?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, that's pretty old kernel and install , 8.04 is EOL ...i wonder if an upgrade to the next LTS with new grub version wouldn't pick up your windows drive
[18:50] <yofel> simplew: http://paste.kde.org/587990 see kdesudo in the depends
[18:50] <BluesKaj> !EOL |  borg-queen
[18:51] <simplew> yofel: this was add by the packager
[18:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: hardy isn't EOL on servers till April 2013
[18:51] <simplew> yofel: like i said, bad packagement
[18:51] <simplew> muon doesnt need kdesudo to run
[18:52] <yofel> well, no
[18:52] <simplew> yofel: some packager did add this required: phonon, kdesudo, software-properties-kde    and this is WRONG; muon doesnt need that to run
[18:52] <yofel> but it depends on software-properties-kde, which needs it and doesn't depend on it
[18:52] <yofel> so... workaround I assume -.-
[18:52] <simplew> yofel: it could be addded as recommends but never as requires
[18:52] <yofel> let's just ask jt
[18:53] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok , I guess i missed something ..didn't see anything about it being a server version
[18:53] <simplew> yofel: jt?
[18:53] <yofel> -> -devel
[18:53] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: yea I was hoping not do have to do that since I was going to wipe it afterwords... Do you think I should plug my windows drive into my open SATA port on the RAID controller since kubuntu sees the RAid controller?
[18:54] <yofel> BluesKaj: all releases have multiple desktop, and a server edition. While KDE3 is EOL since long ago, the server edition is still supported
[18:54] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, sata is hot pluggable
[18:55] <BluesKaj> I mknow servers are 5yrs yofel , i just din't see anything about borg-queen's install being a server
[18:55] <simplew> yofel:  whois jt
[18:55] <yofel> simplew: JontheEchidna
[18:56] <simplew> yofel: can you ask him to fix that?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, is your install aserver edition ?
[18:57] <yofel> simplew: calm down, let's first figure out what really needs to be done here before just running through the wall
[18:58] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: the original computer that the RAID controller was plugged into was, but not this one... so I would have to shutdown
[18:58] <simplew> yofel: yes but that also needs to be fixed, those requires are simply wrong and are triggering software to be wrongly unistalled when one wants to just uninstall kdesudo
[18:59] <simplew> yofel: they need to be set as recommends, not as requires
[18:59] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: I think I can set it up as a stand alone logical drive, though I self taught so I am not sure but I saw a setting earlier for this when I was looking at the RAID controllers BIOS
[19:00] <simplew> yofel: and phonon shouldnt even be set as recommends since its already triggereeeeed by other main packages, and muon is not in any way needing phonon
[19:00] <yofel> uh, actually it does need it for something I believe
[19:01] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: If I am not mistaken I would set it up as RAID 0 as a new logical drive and it should not delete any content????
[19:01] <simplew> yofel: phonon its for sound, package management does not need sound
[19:01] <simplew> what a mess
[19:02] <yofel> it might need it to suggest audio plugins from gstreamer if they're needed
[19:02] <simplew> yofel: but those cant be realted with muon
[19:02] <yofel> things depend more on each other than you seem to realize
[19:02] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, how many drives are we dealing with on the raid array ?
[19:02] <simplew> yofel: its not the case
[19:03] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, HDDs that is , not partitions
[19:04] <yofel> simplew: ok, so, about kdesudo again: muon needs kdesudo to open software-properties-kde, without kdesudo the menu entry to do that doesn't work it seems
[19:04]  * yofel goes testing that
[19:04] <[GuS]> Hi guys. I want to know if current amarok (2.6.0) can sync with and iPod 4G ? i've connected it and doesn't do anything
[19:05] <yofel> simplew: yup, requires kdesudo
[19:05] <simplew> yofel: it should be as recommends, unisntall kdesudo should not trigger muon to also be uninstalled
[19:05] <SIR_Taco> [GuS]: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:IPod
[19:05] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: The RAID 5 array has 3 HDDs that have this Kubuntu installation and the filed I need (plugged into a PCI MegaRaid controller -i have one spare SATA port), and my windows HDD is currently plugged directly into the first SATA port on my motherboard
[19:05] <yofel> simplew: not even if removing kdesudo breaks a menu entry in muon?
[19:06] <yofel> (yes, that justifies a dependency usually)
[19:06] <simplew> yofel: what menu entry?
[19:06] <yofel> Settings->Configure Software Sources - in the Software Center
[19:06] <yofel> does nothing without kdesudo
[19:06] <simplew> yofel: other distros that dont use sudo they dont need kdesudo, and they do have muon, just think on that
[19:07] <yofel> and which ones are that?
[19:07] <[GuS]> SIR_Taco: already saw that page
[19:07] <simplew> severall distros that dont use sudo, mageia, fedora, suse
[19:07] <simplew> mandriva
[19:07] <[GuS]> ahh no... thats new
[19:07] <[GuS]> i saw one very old
[19:07] <yofel> simplew: well, we on our hand can't use SU by default
[19:07] <[GuS]> SIR_Taco: thanks, i will look at it
[19:07] <yofel> simplew: so we're stuck with something that uses sudo
[19:08] <heathjs> hey guys, any idea on how to get a list of flags a package was compiled with?
[19:08] <simplew> yofel: yes but it should exist as recommends to not trigger other apps to be uninstalled that dont really need kdesudo to run
[19:09] <simplew> yofel: but im still confued to what your referring to a menu entry
[19:09] <yofel> simplew: lemme re-read the relevant section of the debian policy just to make sure I'm not talking nonsense here
[19:09] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  care to clarify what you are seeking?
[19:09] <heathjs> dpkg-buildflags --dump isn't quite what i'm looking for, i'm looking to see if vim was compiled with the --with-features=big
[19:09] <heathjs> flag
[19:09] <simplew> yofel: what software center?
[19:10] <yofel> kickoff -> computer -> Muon Software Center (or muon-installer as command)
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  you could probably dig up the makefile from the source package, but i'll do that work for you if you want
[19:10]  * TheLordOfTime is digging around other packages' source now anyways
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  which version of the operating system?
[19:11] <heathjs> TheLordOfTime: if you care to tell me how you do it, that's what i'm really after, so i don't have to rely on someone helping me next time :)
[19:11] <simplew> yofel: i dont have that
[19:11] <heathjs> 12.10
[19:11] <heathjs> 64bit
[19:11] <yofel> didn't you just uninstall muon?
[19:11] <heathjs> yofel: myself?
[19:11]  * TheLordOfTime digs around in the source package
[19:11] <yofel> heathjs: sorry, was meant for simplew
[19:11] <heathjs> kk
[19:11] <simplew> yofel: yes but i did installed it back
[19:12] <yofel> then install muon-installer, it's installed by default but was removed too
[19:12] <simplew> ah yes Muon Software Center, its simply muon, not muon-installer
[19:12] <simplew> yofel: so what that menu entry has to do with kdesudo?
[19:12] <yofel> settings -> configure software sources
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  for the record: TINYFLAGS+=--with-features=small
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  the quantal version is compiled with the --with-features=small system
[19:13] <SIR_Taco> just call him the Doctor
[19:13] <simplew> yofel: thats inside muon? im really failing to understand what you mean
[19:13]  * heathjs is already well on his way to compiling a custom version
[19:13] <heathjs> thanks TheLordOfTime
[19:13] <yofel> simplew: did you run muon-installer or muon?
[19:13] <yofel> it's not in muon
[19:13] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, so grub is installed on the kubuntu drive. If you still have the live-cd , you can reinstall grub using it and once booted into the live-cd , open a terminal and do, sudo grub-install /dev/sdX , X being the designated letter given to the drive it resides on.
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  i went to the source package page on Launchpad (https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim)
[19:13] <yofel> or wait
[19:14] <yofel>  it is
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  then i went into the code branch for Quantal
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  then i hit 'Browse Code', and then went to debian/
[19:14] <yofel> simplew: just open your software sources settings
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  then i read the rules file
[19:14] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  which is where the build rules usually lurk in
[19:14] <yofel> simplew: then run 'sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdesudo' in konsole and try again
[19:14] <BluesKaj> borg-queen, reinstalling grub should pickup the windows drive
[19:14] <simplew> i did runned "pat-get install muon" to have muon back, currently theres no binary named muon-installer
[19:14] <yofel> simplew: just use muon
[19:15] <simplew> ok im in muon, and now?
[19:15] <yofel> click on settings, then on configure software sources
[19:15] <simplew> ok im on it
[19:16] <yofel> good, it opened right?
[19:16] <simplew> yofel: yes, but with muon, as you know kdesudo is also isntalled
[19:16] <yofel> now run this in konsole: sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdesudo
[19:16] <yofel> and try again
[19:16] <heathjs> make --with-features=big doesn't seem to be a thing you can do
[19:16]  * heathjs tinkers
[19:16] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  you can if you fork the package
[19:17] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  any reason you want it to be built with --with-features=big ?
[19:17] <simplew> yofel: i did but nothing new was isntalled
[19:17] <TheLordOfTime> there's probably a good reason its not as taht :P
[19:17] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: ok let me give that a try
[19:17] <yofel> simplew: -r is remove
[19:17] <heathjs> TheLordOfTime: the powerline plugin requires it
[19:17] <simplew> yofel: ah yes
[19:17] <borg-queen> BluesKaj: Thank you for your help :)
[19:17] <yofel> simplew: and --force-depends tells dpkg to ignore and dependency issues
[19:17] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  i can fork the package and dump it into a PPA for you if you want
[19:17] <heathjs> do you have to fork it?
[19:17] <simplew> yofel: ok im gg to try now
[19:17] <heathjs> hg clone isn't sufficient?
[19:17] <heathjs> i don't mind building it locally
[19:18]  * TheLordOfTime doesn't know what that command would do :P
[19:18] <yofel> simplew: looking at the debian-policy, it's a borderline thing. It's needed, but doesn't really provide a major part of the functionality
[19:18] <heathjs> TheLordOfTime: if you build it, i'm curious which commands you used to successfully build it
[19:18] <simplew> yofel: yes in fac that doesnt apppear anymore since kdesudo was uninstalled
[19:19] <yofel> simplew: so what I see here that you can do: file a bug about the kdesudo issue with 'ubuntu-bug kdesudo', then file another one with 'ubuntu-bug muon' about the dependency
[19:19] <yofel> then we can continue from there
[19:19] <yofel> just talking here won't get anything "fixed"
[19:19] <simplew> yofel: indeed :)
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  we should continue this discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic, to leave support for here and our ramblings separate
[19:19] <simplew> yofel: could you show me that you wwwwwere reading about debian policy
[19:20] <TheLordOfTime> yofel:  speaking of debian packaging policy, got a link to those?
[19:20] <yofel> simplew: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps
[19:21] <heathjs> make -j5 TINYFLAGS+=--with-features=big
[19:21] <heathjs> success
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> heathjs:  nope
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> well that'd *workU*
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> *work* *
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> but i'd actually change the packaging parameters itself
[19:21] <heathjs> k
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> makes for an easier fork :P
[19:21] <yofel> TheLordOfTime: I think you can work things out from ^ :)
[19:21] <simplew> yofel: i need to set some flags to the kernel module of my wifi card, it there a GUI for that?
[19:22] <TheLordOfTime> yofel:  yup, thanks.
[19:22] <yofel> simplew: not that I know of
[19:22] <yofel> but I never looked for one either
[19:22] <simplew> yofel: in mageia theres a gui that allows to control alal system options, like it also exists in opensuse...
[19:26] <yofel> simplew: well, we hvae a KCM for grub2 settings, but I'm not sure if there's one for generic module parameters
[19:26] <Guest12553> hi
[19:26] <yofel> sounds like something that would be nice to have (not sure if installed by default)
[19:27] <Guest12553> hi all
[19:28] <simplew> yofel: no, thats just for grub2 parameters, and deosnt allow to change many things
[19:29] <simplew> yofel: after i create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ i just need to modprobe the module, right?
[19:29] <yofel> well, that's the only thing that got packaged
[19:29] <yofel> yeah, should work like that
[19:34] <simplew> yofel: my mouse has been stoping without any apparent reason, is there any bug reports about?
[19:36] <yofel> first time I hear about that one
[19:36] <yofel> unless X froze
[19:39] <simplew> yofel: the mouse stops working if i change the ips parameter on my realtek wifi card...
[19:39] <yofel> o.O
[19:40] <yofel> well, if dmesg and the X log don't show and error I'm clueless
[19:40] <yofel> s/and/an/
[19:51] <Guest41679> ciao
[19:51] <Guest41679> !list
[20:41] <uneivi> hi, everybody. I want to know where are the amarok track progress icons, does somebody know?
[20:46] <simplew> yofel: i have found the REAL problem and have fixed it, now is possible to run kde apps from dolphin root
[20:47] <simplew> yofel: wana know what the real problem was?
[20:47] <simplew> yofel: still kdesudo still needs a fix in the source code...
[20:49] <SIR_Taco> simplew: if you explain it, it may be useful to others aswell
[20:52] <yofel> simplew: sure, but do still file a bug and explain it there as well
[20:52] <yofel> great, floodbots are crazy again
[21:05] <simplew> yofel: its like this, if in /etc/sudoers i change the %sudo line to ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL    it will not be possible to run kde apps from dolphin root, but if instead i change it to ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL     then will be possible to run kde apps from dolphin root
[21:05] <lordievader> ikonia: You around? FloodBots are flooding, ironically enough.
[21:05] <yofel> simplew: ...
[21:06] <yofel> fun
[21:06] <simplew> so kdesudo isnt able to understand the format if theres no space between =  and NOPASSWD
[21:06] <simplew> yofel: understand now?
[21:06] <yofel> yeah, parsing bug
[21:06] <simplew> yofel: indeed
[21:07] <simplew> yofel: where the apropriated place to create the bug report?
[21:08] <yofel> simplew: do you have a launchpad account yet?
[21:08] <yofel> you'll need one
[21:08] <simplew> yofel: yes i have
[21:09] <yofel> ok, then please run 'ubuntu-bug kdesudo' in konsole
[21:09] <yofel> and follow the instructions
[21:11] <PasNox_> Hi, i'm tryiong to add dependencies of my service, and look for good documentation on the Required-Start keyword, any hint please ?
[21:11] <PasNox_> where i'm supposed to gett the service name to add ?
[21:24] <simplew> yofel: what title i should give to the bug report
[21:24] <yofel> good question
[21:26] <yofel> "Wrong parsing of sudoers permission definition" maybe?
[21:27] <simplew> yofel: how about: unable to recognise formattation if space isnt provide
[21:28] <SIR_Taco> better than brokey no worky
[21:28] <yofel> simplew: Unable to recognise permission format if space is missing
[21:28] <yofel> maybe
[21:29] <simplew> yofel: yes, that appears better
[21:29] <yofel> SIR_Taco: I would have to look at the bugs that I marked invalid, but I do believe there was at least one that contained 2x "Doesn't Work"
[21:30] <yofel> doesn't happen as much these days though
[21:32] <SIR_Taco> yofel: Back in my tech days... when we got bored and it was obviously a circuit problem... (the receiving end wouldn't understand a circuit problem unfortunately)... we'd just say "brokey no worky"  :P
[21:33] <yofel> :D
[21:33] <yofel> !ops
[21:33] <yofel> sorry for the ping, but would one of you guys be kind enough to make the Floodbots shut up?
[21:34] <yofel> Thanks in advance
[21:38] <simplew> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/1074159
[21:38] <L3top> yofel: the floodbot exists for a reason. If someone has to pipe down... it is not the bot. Don't call a channel emergency because you don't "like" the guidelines.
[21:39] <yofel> L3top: ok, sorry. I was referring to the constant mode changes they've been doing for a while now
[21:40] <L3top> ah... misunderstood... you can disable entrance/leave notification you know...
[21:40] <L3top> etc
[21:40] <yofel> that would've been an option too, yeah -.-
[21:40] <yofel> sorry again
[21:48] <axolotl> Greetings all. Just installed kubuntu 12.10 on an old desktop, very impressed. Haven't used KDE for years
[21:49] <axolotl> Can't get Flash working though; worked on old xubuntu 12.04 install. Any ideas?
[21:49] <L3top> nvidia card?
[21:49] <axolotl> Definitely installed, shows as Firefox plugin. Rekonq crashes on Flash page
[21:49] <axolotl> Yes, 6600GT AGP
[21:49] <L3top> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[21:49] <axolotl> L3top> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] [10de:00f1] (rev a2)
[21:50] <axolotl> tried old FX5200 too, both nouveau and nvidia drivers
[21:50] <axolotl> tried Flash-Aid Firefox plugin to no avail
[21:56] <axolotl> L3top: why the question? Is there a known issue? System is 32-bit i386 (Athlon XP2400+)
[21:56] <simplew> axolotl: what notebook is that
[21:56] <axolotl> It's not a notebook, it's a desktop
[21:57] <simplew> axolotl: what you mean by "System is 32-bit i386 (Athlon XP2400+)"
[21:58] <L3top> There is always an issue with nvidia and flash... I believe it might be rooted in that flash no longer uses acceleration, it may still be selected by default... so... I would try and check that... but that is a total guess. I am on LTS without issue.
[21:58] <axolotl> simplew: I was asking about Flash not working and L3top asked if it was an NVIDIA card in the machine. I was adding a bit more detail as I know there have been 64-bit problems with Flash.
[21:58] <axolotl> L3top: thanks, have tried with and without in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[22:02] <L3top> axolotl: which driver did you install or how
[22:02] <axolotl> L3top: didn't work with out-of-box 12.10 nouveau or jockey-installed nvidia-current
[22:04] <L3top> axolotl: what is the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-updates | grep stalled
[22:04] <L3top> er
[22:04] <L3top> axolotl: what is the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-updates | grep andid
[22:06] <axolotl> L3Top: no nvidia-updates; for nvidia-current, I get "Candidate: 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu1"
[22:06] <L3top> axolotl: what is the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-current-updates | grep andid         sorry
[22:07] <axolotl> L3top: 304.51-0ubuntu1
[22:08] <L3top> I would wait for other advice before I took my own in this case.
[22:10] <L3top> You are going to have to try different drivers or downgrade your flash to test I believe. I downgrade flash to the last version with accel... but... that is probably not the preferred answer. I would just test things. Uninstall nvidia-current and go for nvidia-current-upgrades... in case it happens to deal with your issue...  (but then I find apt-get faster than reading boring old changelogs.
[22:12] <axolotl> L3top: thanks for your help. I think I've tried most things except a Flash downgrade; and nvidia-173 is not installable on 12.10 at the moment.
[22:14] <L3top> I could give you 260-glx if you wanted...
[22:15] <L3top> that will install...
[22:20] <axolotl> L3top: thanks for the offer, but I can do without Flash if it means hacking old non-repository GPU drivers in.
[22:20] <L3top> k
[22:42] <keithzg> Any ideas about how to surpress or solve the "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/user/.cache/keyring-blahblah: No such file or directory" messages when using programs like virsh and virt-manager?
[22:49] <keithzg> No ideas? I'll try adding KDE to the OnlyShowIn= line in /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.desktop, see if that does the trick.