[03:33] <Keybuk> Ajax is far too much fun
[11:54] <ion_> keybuk: Yeah, as long as you abstract the annoyances away with something like prototype.js
[15:56] <rgl> hi
[15:57] <rgl> I'm running ubuntu 8.04 and want to create an apache upstart job;  but where should I put it?   inside /etc/event.d/ ?
[16:17] <ion_> Well, yeah, but isn't the init script that comes with apache enough for now?
[16:45] <rgl> I want to use upstart *G*
[16:46] <rgl> and its much simplier that the one shipped with apache, take a look: http://dpaste.com/48108/
[17:59] <rgl> is there a way to rename the child name that appears on top ?


[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:00] <waveform> o/
[15:00] <dbungert> o/
[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:02] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:02:41 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:02] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[15:03] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray doko sil2100 rbalint mwhudson juliank waveform slyon jawnsmith dbungert)
[15:03] <bdmurray> jawnsmith vorlon sil2100 slyon rbalint juliank bdmurray mwhudson waveform dbungert doko
[15:03] <bdmurray> JawnSmith: you are up
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * Re-write ubuntu image in go
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * Touch up skeleton project
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * Some productive planning meetings
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * clean up build artifacts
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * RISC-V hardware support
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * Trying lots of different configurations on Unmatched
[15:03] <JawnSmith>         * Blog post in progress
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * Creating beagleV bootable image and passing off to kernel team
[15:04] <JawnSmith> * SRU verification for bluetooth/wifi enablement on all pi models in groovy/focal
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * LP: #1921915
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * LP: #1925971
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * LP: #1903048
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * LP: #1926378
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * LP: #1912905
[15:04] <JawnSmith>     * LP: #1918013
[15:04] <JawnSmith> [done]
[15:04] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[15:05] <vorlon> working on grub, shim updates for hirsute (to unblock upgrades) and xenial (to let us officially close out 16.04 standard support) and all other releases (to comply with SRU policy)
[15:05] <vorlon> * drafting a response to the network-online.target discussion on ubuntu-devel
[15:05] <vorlon> * addressing questions about secureboot signing on s390x
[15:05] <vorlon> (done)
[15:05] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[15:06] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Preparing security-only rebuilds of Matthias'es python SRUs
[15:06] <sil2100>   * This requires a few re-runs and shepharding
[15:06] <sil2100> - Monday alpha squad merge party:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Merged libgcrypt20, gparted
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Poked security about intel-microcode
[15:06] <sil2100> - ESM britney
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Still waiting for Iain'a final reviews and staging deployment
[15:06] <sil2100> - Kicking off core18 and core20 snaps to beta for certification testing
[15:06] <sil2100> - Poked Sergio about edge-testing automation not working
[15:06] <sil2100> - Discussions regarding ubuntu-image (along with snapd team members!)
[15:06] <sil2100> - Started looking at snapd code related to gadgets handling - though only just now...
[15:06] <sil2100> - Cherry-picking the systemd activation policy support to hirsute, groovy and focal
[15:06] <sil2100> - Refreshing the related netplan.io PR
[15:06] <sil2100> - Helping out with getting the grub2-signed xenial cloud regression reviewed and released
[15:06] <sil2100> - No-change rebuild of ubuntu-core-initramfs
[15:06] <sil2100> - Pushing the DTB-handling new gadget snaps to beta channels + discussions regarding how to proceed from here
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <bdmurray> its a public holiday in Germany
[15:06] <bdmurray> so rbalint
[15:07] <rbalint> * merged mdadm
[15:07] <rbalint> * synced dash
[15:07] <rbalint> * poked glibc to migrate
[15:07] <rbalint> * fixed update-motd autopkgtest
[15:07] <rbalint> * merged 248.2-1ubuntu1, will upload after the meeting
[15:07] <rbalint> * partner work
[15:07] <rbalint> (done)
[15:07] <bdmurray> investigation into / overriding of update-notifier, u-r-u, horizon not regressions
[15:08] <bdmurray> research into users who have testcase admin rights at the ISO tracker
[15:08] <bdmurray> review of update-notifier changes regarding ESM, uploaded for impish
[15:08] <bdmurray> sponsored a speedtest-cli patch for LP: #1923352
[15:08] <bdmurray> working on charmhelpers / software-properties bug LP: #1433761
[15:08] <bdmurray> contacted IS regarding the Error Tracker migration to Bionic
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated meta-release, meta-release-devel for hirsute and impish
[15:08] <bdmurray> recreation of upgrade bug LP: #1927268 (have a fix for it)
[15:08] <bdmurray> started working on a fix for bug LP: #1925529
[15:08] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <bdmurray> waveform:
[15:08] <waveform> * Merges for cdrkit (LP: #1927944) and db5.3 (LP: #1927978)
[15:08] <waveform> * Testing u-boot merge
[15:08] <waveform> * More work on autopkgtest-web optimizations (reviewed bits for juliank, worked on /statistics optimization but results are too "big" currently)
[15:08] <waveform> * Tested Sense HAT functionality in Ubuntu under arm64 5.11 kernel (still need to test on older kernels and under armhf)
[15:08] <waveform> * Reviewing status of several HAT libraries in RaspiOS
[15:08] <waveform> * Working on release upgrade quirk for final transition from u-boot
[15:08] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[15:08] <waveform> (done)
[15:08] <dbungert> * +1
[15:08] <dbungert>   * ntopng - investigate build failure which turned out to be a latent security
[15:08] <dbungert>   * sshuttle - light followup and file LP: #1927757 to track improvements
[15:08] <dbungert>     issue due to needing to move to a new SONAME version of a dependent library
[15:09] <dbungert>     to pick up security fixes.  Document w/ Debian Security / debbug 977805
[15:09] <dbungert>   * openmolcas - MP & debbug 988161 sent for test improvements
[15:09] <dbungert> * new desktop installer prep & sprint
[15:09] <dbungert> * subiquity - dryrun should use a sample machine config instead of probing
[15:09] <dbungert> * subiqutiy - investigate erratic pylint failures, seeming related to known
[15:09] <dbungert>   issues with namedtuple https://github.com/PyCQA/pylint/issues/1628
[15:09] <dbungert> * new desktop installer - adapting a useful script from subiquity which should
[15:09] <dbungert>   make it easier to get an updated installer snap in an existing ISO
[15:09] <dbungert> (done)
[15:09] <bdmurray> any questions on status?
[15:10] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[15:10] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:11] <bdmurray> bug 1877523
[15:12] <bdmurray> So I think ubuntu-release-upgrader could give some suggestions here about switching mirrors of the archive or maybe actually doing it.
[15:13] <bdmurray> I have seen a fair number of this class of report so let's card that.
[15:13] <sil2100> +1
[15:13] <bdmurray> bug 1927994 is a hoot
[15:14] <bdmurray> IIRC update-notifier-common is seeded in server, but update-manager is not
[15:15] <bdmurray> Yeah, that's correct.
[15:15] <bdmurray> There aren't a lot of these crashes but it seems like something we should fix.
[15:15] <bdmurray> I don't have a great idea of how to fix it though.
[15:15] <bdmurray> vorlon: ?
[15:16] <vorlon> well, I don't think seeding update-manager on server is the right answer
[15:16] <vorlon> how essential are the operations that require u-m?
[15:16] <vorlon> should they become no-ops if u-m isn't present?
[15:16] <bdmurray> I don't recall that part of update-notifier well enough.
[15:18] <bdmurray> It's also possible there are more error buckets w/ this crash b/c of the line numbers changing.
[15:18] <bdmurray> So let's card it as a spike to figure out how essential the operations are.
[15:19] <bdmurray> bug 1921862
[15:19] <rbalint> +1
[15:20] <bdmurray> It looks like the desktop team has this well in hand
[15:20] <bdmurray> I'm not sure there would be a benefit to carding it.
[15:20] <bdmurray> But let's look at it again next meeting.
[15:21] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:21] <sil2100> I have been poked to do a review, so I'll do that later today or tomorrow
[15:21] <sil2100> ...possibly tomorrow
[15:21] <bdmurray> bug 1916651
[15:22] <bdmurray> Is there a way to prevent the prompt from appearing?
[15:22] <bdmurray> vorlon: ^
[15:23] <vorlon> would be a delta to Debian.  I would suggest consulting cjwatson as the upstream maintainer of base-passwd, but in principle I don't see any reason we have to get user consent before changing the irc user's homedir, especially since /var/run is categorically a symlink to /run now
[15:25] <bdmurray> ack
[15:25] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:26] <bdmurray> bug 1926819 has an MP
[15:26] <cjwatson> base-passwd> I'm fine with making that not prompt, but would like to review a patch
[15:28] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, thanks
[15:28] <bdmurray> then we have bug 1926925
[15:29] <bdmurray> unless somebody has an opinion about this maybe we should save this for next week
[15:29] <bdmurray> or vorlon do you think we should card it?
[15:29] <vorlon> not a regression, is it?
[15:29] <vorlon> seems like a low-priority bug for it to not detect an existing ESP in this condition and have to create a new one
[15:29] <bdmurray> not as I read it
[15:30] <bdmurray> okay
[15:30] <bdmurray> notfixing then
[15:31] <vorlon> I'm sure subiquity implements this perfectly
[15:31] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:32] <vorlon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:32] <vorlon> there are only 3 packages waiting and they're all blocked on autopkgtests that appear to be baseline regressions
[15:32] <vorlon> I've retried the tests and am not going to bother distributing them today
[15:33] <vorlon> I think I saw discussion earlier about automake-1.16 vs bison but don't recall who - did anyone have interest in that?
[15:33] <vorlon> (ideally automake-1.16 would have passing tests; but it also shouldn't block bison if they've regressed in the release pocket)
[15:35] <vorlon> no answer, so let's move on :)
[15:35] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[15:35] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:37] <bdmurray> I'm out half of Monday and all of Tuesday.
[15:38] <bdmurray> okay, thanks everybody!
[15:38] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:38:34 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-05-13-15.02.moin.txt
[15:41] <rbalint> o/
[15:42] <sil2100> o/


[00:06] <Guest32958> hi to everybody
 Hi everyone, I have an issue with Kubuntu. I installed Kubuntu 16.1 recently and sometimes my screen goes black with only one column of yellow pixels on the left. Nothing would work, no keyboard, no tty. If I restart it's ok until it happens again usually after one day or so. I'm using an Acer Aspire 5820t laptop. I also had Windows 7 in my laptop and it worked with no problems. So I guess it's not a hardware issue. "sudo lshw -
 sudo lshw -c display …   *-display                  …        description: VGA compatible controller …        product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller …        vendor: Intel Corporation …        physical id: 2 …        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0 …        version: 12 …        width: 64 bits …        clock: 33MHz …        capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom …        config
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JPhZAgFR/file_1959.jpg
 Here is a picture showing the black screen that I see
 Can anyone help me figure out what's the problem? Thank you.
[03:03] <poco_> hey guys after rebooting my Kubuntu 16.04 desktop I'm getting that infamous "black screen" instead of the Plasma login page. I can login via terminal just fine but I'm at my wits end trying to fix this. I have reinstalled the desktop enviornment, graphics drivers, sddm, etc trying to fix this and nothing. I've had this once before but nothing seems to be working this time. Anyone mind helping me out?
[03:36] <poco_> damn I really don't want to do another clean install
[03:50] <valorie> poco_: have you added backports?
[03:50] <valorie> I think that would be worthwhile before doing a clean install
[03:50] <poco_> Yes I added the Kubuntu backports
[03:51] <valorie> http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/
[03:51] <valorie> oh, good
[03:52] <valorie> how about `sudo apt install -f`
[03:52] <valorie> f=fix
[03:52] <valorie> just in case something is corrupted
[03:52] <poco_> did it, nothing updated
[03:52] <valorie> any other PPAs added?
[03:53] <poco_> yeah I mean I've been using this system for months so I have lots of ppas
[03:53] <valorie> such as?
[03:53] <poco_> graphics drivers, some applications I can't remember off the top of my head
[03:54] <valorie> hmmm
[03:54] <poco_> just found something that's curious
[03:54] <poco_> I don't have a xorg.conf file
[03:54] <valorie> I don't think that is standard anymore
[03:55] <poco_> ok because I have some xorg.conf.backup files I see
[03:55] <poco_> maybe that was from the last time I had this issue when I first installed this thing
[03:56] <valorie> I have none either
[03:56] <valorie> why did you need a PPA for graphics drivers?
[03:56] <poco_> it's what I was using before so I can have the latest Nivida drivers
[03:56] <poco_> I have nvidia-375 installed
[03:56] <poco_> tried removing and reinstalling those several times to no avail
[03:57] <valorie> what happens if you roll back to something that worked before?
[03:57] <poco_> sorry, roll back what?
[03:57] <valorie> graphics driver
[03:58] <poco_> nividia-375 was working before
[03:58] <poco_> but I also tried nvidia-current as well
[03:59] <poco_> it appears that my graphics driver is working
[04:01] <poco_> I'd be more inclined to do a fresh install if you knew of a way I could backup all my desktop configurations that I have customized to my liking haha
[04:02] <valorie> well, you can back up ~/.config and ~/.local
[04:02] <valorie> however, I would only move them back file by file
[04:02] <valorie> oh
[04:02] <valorie> before re-installing
[04:03] <valorie> have you tried logging in with a new user?
[04:03] <poco_> I only have one user
[04:03] <valorie> right, making a new test user
[04:03] <poco_> but I can't even get to the GUI login page
[04:04] <valorie> you never get to grub?
[04:04] <poco_> oh I get past there
[04:04] <valorie> or never get to SDDM
[04:04] <poco_> correct'
[04:04] <poco_> it just throws me to a black screen after the 'Kubuntu'logo and then I have to ctrl-alt-f1 to login
[04:04] <valorie> and you did install --reinstall SDDM?
[04:04] <poco_> yep... a lot haha
[04:05] <poco_> SDDM status shows everything good
[04:05] <valorie> hmmm, so plasma isn't starting
[04:05] <valorie> how about install --reinstall plasma-desktop
[04:06] <poco_> hmm hold on it's saying --reinstall is not understood
[04:07] <poco_> whoops missed install
[04:07] <valorie> `sudo apt install --reinstall plasma-desktop`
[04:07] <poco_> alright did both. should I reboot?
[04:07] <valorie> did it do anything?
[04:08] <poco_> negative
[04:08] <valorie> I would try
[04:08] <poco_> rebooting
[04:08] <valorie> `sudo apt install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop`
[04:08] <valorie> too
[04:09] <poco_> while I can't remember exactly what I did last time to fix this similar issue I do remember it having to do with 'plasma' in the solution. oh well
[04:10] <poco_> hold on reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <poco_> negative results
[04:12] <valorie> :(
[04:12] <valorie> !user
[04:13] <valorie> if a restart leaves you in the same place, I really would create a new user in the cli
[04:13] <valorie> and in the cli, start from that new user, and see if anything has changed
[04:13] <valorie> if that is a fail, I'm out of ideas
[04:14] <poco_> cool created a new su user
[04:14] <valorie> excellent
[04:14] <valorie> no guarantees
[04:14] <valorie> but always worth a try
[04:14] <poco_> sorry what do you want me to do now that I have a new user?
[04:14] <valorie> login as that user
[04:14] <valorie> see if things work
[04:15] <poco_> Ok I'm logged in
[04:15] <valorie> and?
[04:16] <poco_> nothing I mean it just changed users- ctrl-alt-f7 brings me back to a black screen as always
[04:16] <valorie> :(
[04:16] <poco_> yeaah
[04:16] <valorie> well, do a good backup
[04:16] <poco_> yeah I can at least rsync my files to my backup server
[04:16] <valorie> including those two folders I meantioned above
[04:16] <valorie> but I woudln't replace them whole-hog
[04:17] <poco_> so I can pull my desktop settings off those two directories?
[04:17] <valorie> just one file at a time
[04:17] <valorie> yes
[04:17] <poco_> cool
[04:17] <valorie> a very few things are still in ~/.kde
[04:17] <valorie> apps which don't have a KF5 version yet
[04:17] <poco_> I was thinking of trying out KDE Neon next. What do you think?
[04:18] <valorie> depends on what you want
[04:18] <poco_> I really like KDE but my number one goal with all of this is to learn
[04:18] <valorie> it has the latest plasma, and latest KDE popular apps
[04:18] <valorie> on an Ubuntu 16.04 base
[04:18] <poco_> any reasons to keep Kubuntu over Neon?
[04:19] <valorie> everything else is from the Ubuntu archive
[04:19] <valorie> as I said, depends on what you want
[04:19] <valorie> they are basically rolling on a stable base
[04:19] <valorie> whereas we send out a new version - tested - every six months
[04:20] <poco_> yeah a more bleeding edge DE does sound kind of fun
[04:20] <poco_> except when it craps the bed like right now :P
[04:20] <valorie> you aren't bleeding edge, you are on 16.04 LTS
[04:20]  * valorie is on 17.04, the alpha
[04:20] <poco_> well yes
[04:21] <valorie> you can always try an upgrade to 16.10
[04:21] <poco_> but KDE updates faster on Neon than Kubuntu is what I meant
[04:21] <valorie> `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[04:21] <valorie> sometimes, yes they do
[04:22] <valorie> although we share packaging sometimes as well
[04:22] <valorie> I'm on both teams
[04:22] <poco_> so when you ask, depends what I want. What kinds of things should I be asking myself when deciding if Kubuntu or Neon is more my speed?
[04:22] <valorie> I think neon is awesome for experts
[04:23] <poco_> well I'm not an expert but I love learning this stuff
[04:23]  * valorie isn't an expert either
[04:23] <valorie> and I would prefer to know less than I do about how to fix stuff
[04:23] <valorie> lol
[04:24] <valorie> since it usually means I messed something up
[04:24] <poco_> haha
[04:24] <poco_> well I appreciate you taking time out of your evening to help me outm valorie I really do. It's guys like you that keep me sucked into this linux world
[04:25]  * valorie is no guy!
[04:25] <valorie> I'm a grandma
[04:25] <valorie> lol
[04:25] <poco_> haha I meant that as in the collective guys! haha but my apologies
[04:26] <valorie> no apologies, most here are guys
[04:28] <poco_> Also I learned my lesson and will be doing more clonezilla image backups on my new system for when this happens to me again
[04:37] <valorie> btw poco_, hang out in the #kde-neon chan, and see if you like the team
[04:37] <valorie> it's best IMO to work with people you like
[04:37] <poco_> thanks for the recommendation
[04:37] <valorie> and things work best when you are willing to file bugs, give feedback, etc.
[06:53] <claycorn> hello?
[06:59] <lurkan_> e
[08:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:43] <Seminarian> Goodmorning guys! running plasmashell -v gives me "plasmashell 5.5.5". I've read plasma 5.9 is released! How can I get the latest version installed on my kubuntu 16.04?
[08:43] <Seminarian> I wonder because I'm experiencing some bugs!
[08:44] <lordievader> If it is available for 16.04 it is in the backports ppa.
[08:45] <lordievader> !info plasma-desktop kubuntu-backports
[08:45] <lordievader> !info plasma-meta kubuntu-backports
[08:45] <lordievader> !info plasma-desktop
[08:45] <lordievader> Hmm... should be in backports somewhere.
[08:46] <Seminarian> lordievader, thanks i'll google!
[08:46] <Seminarian> http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-8-5-bugfix-release-in-xenial-and-yakkety-backports-now/
[09:10] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a strange problem. I am using the app Kupfer (an app that starts other apps via some shortcut/command-window). It is started automatically and runs, but the command-window doesn't open when I hit the shortcut. The only way it works is for me to stop the process and run Kupfer manually from the command-line. Kupfer doesn't even work when use Kubuntus own application launcher. Does anybody know
[09:10] <Mrokii> what the problem could be?
[09:21] <Seminarian> Weird issue, phpstorm doesn't show an icon in my task bar. Tried reinstalling the program.. no luck
[09:46] <Guest31936> kubuntu 16.10 black screen after login?
[12:06] <Mrokii> Hello. I was changing something about auto-startup-apps and suddenly I can't log in to my desktop anymore. When I enter my password the mouse cursor changes to an "X" like the one when X11 doesn't start up properly and the screen only shows the login-screen. Is there something I could look for via dmesg or systemctl?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[12:48] <stephanlap> Hello. I'm having problems with my desktop, have been writing about it some minutes ago via a tty. After fiddling with startup-applications, I can't log in anymore. The display stays on the login-screen and after switching to a tty and back the screen is blank. I tried to create a new user and log in with it, but it's just the same. Any thoughts?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> try startx in the tty
[12:53] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: Now that's strange. When using "startx" it shows a bar at the top that looks like from Gnome, even though this is a clean Kubuntu-installation. o.O
[12:54] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: BluesKaj I mean it shows "Activities", the clock cenetered and all the icons associated with Gnome.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> stephanlap:  do you have a complete desktop ?
[12:55] <stephanlap> I can move the pointer but I can't click on anything. The desktop doesn't react.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> stephanlap:  did you do any repartitioning before installation
[12:55] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: No, definitely not. The last thing I was doing was to disable an application for which auto-start was enabled.
[12:56] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I had changed something in the grub-config-file before, but it was only about the resolution and I had successfully restarted after changing things.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> is this a clean install in terms of / and retention of /home's mountpoint? because if you were on gnome previously the config files will stil be there
[12:59] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: No, the HD was a new one and I installed directly from a Kbuntu 16.x CD.
[12:59] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: There can't be any references to gnome, afaik, as there never was Gnome installed on this HD.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> whoa that's strange
[13:00] <stephanlap> And I am still getting the regular Kubuntu-login-screen, I just can't log in anymore.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu?
[13:01] <stephanlap> When I do "sudo killall sddm" I see the login-screen again, but that's as far as I get.
[13:01] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I think I had installed Kubuntu 16.04 and had later upgraded to 16.10. But that was some months ago.
[13:03] <BluesKaj> stephanlap: which graphics/gpu?
[13:03] <stephanlap> nvidia
[13:04] <BluesKaj> ah ok, which nvidia ?
[13:04] <stephanlap> according to hwinfo it's GeForce 8200
[13:07] <BluesKaj> stephanlap:  in the vt/tty login then sudo apt install nvidia-340
[13:08] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[13:08] <stephanlap> okay, I'll try that.
[13:09] <stephanlap> I was just getting acquainted with the command line more and thought I knew what I was doing. Seems not, as I have no clue what went wrong. :p
[13:14] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: Didn't help, as it seems. The only thing that changed now is that I'm getting a black screen immedieately after trying to log in, and also an "X"-mouse cursor. i can move it, but as the screen is completely black there's nothing to click. :-/
[13:16] <stephanlap> Oh wait... o.O
[13:17] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: It seems I can log in via my newly created user from before. o.O But not with my regular user. This seems to be a step forward.
[13:17] <stephanlap> Now the "only" question is, what in my regular user-folder causes the problem...
[13:19] <BluesKaj> I was never a fan of avoiding regular user "workarounds" , make sure you installed the nvidia-340 as your original user
[13:20] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I am sure I did, as I logged into the tty via my regular user-account.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:22] <BluesKaj> in the the tty as regular user , sudo systemctl enable sddm, then, sudo systemsctl start sddm
[13:26] <stephanlap> After the first command I get some text about "Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable sddm" and "the unit files have no installation config...". There's no error-message however.
[13:27] <stephanlap> Possibly a stupid question: Should I log out of the new user-account before trying these commands?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> stephanlap:  these comands should be by the "regular user"
[13:31] <stephanlap> Yeah, that's what I've done in the tty.
[13:38] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I have just had a look at ".xsession-errors" and it had some messages about xrdb refusing a connection and being unable to open display ":0", as well and "xhost" being unable to open display ":0". There's a similar message about "dbus-update-activation-environment".
[13:39] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: and dbus refusing a connection to some socket in "/tmp". I wonder if these messages are part of the problem.
[13:39] <BluesKaj> stephanlap: did you try startx
[13:41] <BluesKaj> and I forgot to mention , did you update and upgrade your packages while logged in the tty as "regular user"
[13:41] <BluesKaj> stephanlap: ^
[13:41] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I just did. The same problem as before. On the tty-screen the strange Gnome-desktop comes up with no possibility to click on anything.
[13:42] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I didn't upgrade and update but I'll try.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> always update and upgrade after a new install
[13:43] <stephanlap> Tried it, nothing to upgrade
[13:44] <BluesKaj> stephanlap:  install dkms just to make sure, it should be installed by default, but....
[13:45] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: It should be, as I have VirtualBox installed which I think wanted to have it.
[13:45] <stephanlap> Yeah, it's installed.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> you have a vm running ?
[13:46] <stephanlap> Not at the moment, no.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> ok, you mentioned an upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 , or is this a clean install ?
[13:50] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: I am pretty sure I upgrade from Kubuntu 16.04 to 16.10, but this was months ago.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> run lsb_release -a
[13:51] <BluesKaj> stephanlap: ^
[13:53] <stephanlap> It says Ubunt 16.10. But I definitely never installed anything else than Kubuntu on this HD and never installed any other desktop environments.
[13:58] <stephanlap> BluesKaj: Sorry to keep you occupied for that long. I will see if I can get things working through some other means.
[13:59] <stephanlap> I just saw that one of my other HDs (to which some links from my regular user-folder point to) isn't mounted at all, for some reason. Not sure if that could cause the problems, but one can try...
[14:13] <stephanlap> So the unmounted HD obviously wasn't the problem. :-/
[14:18] <BluesKaj> stephanlap:  that may not be trrue if the boot manager is looking for other drives previously listed as entries in /etc/fstab then there could be    a problem, make sure the drive you want to use is listed as first in the UEFI/BIOS boot sequence
[18:03] <clone_Q> I have a graphics card that will not give any display in X mode, the monitor saying "Input not supported", whereas in text mode (alt-F1) it works fine.
[18:04] <clone_Q> I think this card worked fine before so I don't know what could be the issue
[18:04] <clone_Q> It is a GTX 950.
[18:04] <lordievader> Sounds like the set resolution is not supported by the monitor.
[18:05] <clone_Q> It seems yes but it is really set to 1024x768 and that is what I am now running in also, on a different GFX.
[18:05] <clone_Q> At first I thought maybe it could be my own X config but on a live DVD session it does the same
[18:05] <clone_Q> what's more, it also happens on SDDM, and not just a KDE session.
[18:06] <clone_Q> It's an analog DVI output (DVI-I -> VGA), what on earth could be the problem I wonder.
[18:06] <clone_Q> I definitely ran Linux on that thing, before, although then I might have been using HDMI only.
[18:06] <clone_Q> Now that I remember, Windows had issues on its DVI-I port also....
[18:07] <clone_Q> on a different computer even, I would get "mouse lag" in Windows.
[18:07] <clone_Q> which didn't happen on HDMI.
[18:08] <clone_Q> It's so terribly strange and basically renders the card half-dysfunctional but it doesn't work at all in Linux now, save for the TTY mode.
[18:09] <clone_Q> I once overheated it by accident but it seemed to still work fine after.
[18:09] <clone_Q> But I have no clue how to troubleshoot it in Linux.
[18:10] <clone_Q> and everything is rather painful if you only have TTY ;-).
[18:10] <clone_Q> Maybe I actually damaged the card...
[18:11] <clone_Q> how does one easily redo the EDID detection of your monitor, or should it happen automatically?
[18:11] <clone_Q> I am in 1024x768 because there is something wrong with the cabling at this point.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> what about using hdmi exclusively/
[18:13] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:13] <clone_Q> I was intending for it to be dual monitor although I could use the other card for it, I have 2 x16 slots.
[18:13] <clone_Q> But I have no HDMI monitor now.
[18:13] <clone_Q> at least not available.
[18:14] <clone_Q> basically the test would be to connect it over HDMI to see if it works then.
[18:15] <clone_Q> but this really... sucks. GTX 950 suddenly damaged...
[18:15] <clone_Q> Still works in Windows.
[18:15] <clone_Q> But gives weirdness.
[18:15] <clone_Q> On VGA.
[18:15] <clone_Q> But what commands would I run to see what is going on?
[18:16] <clone_Q> xrandr also didn't give all normal output modes on it but it could have been the cable/EDID.
[18:17] <clone_Q> It is just so weird that TTY mode works fine, which also should be 1024x768 right.
[18:17] <lordievader> Change the cable and see if edid works?
[18:18] <clone_Q> I have been running in 1440x900 on this monitor just fine, on Windows lately. I need the extra length atm for the position of the monitor. I should be able to get it to work but it's been really annoying.
[18:19] <clone_Q> I can take a DVI-I cable out and see if I get 1440x900 now.
[18:19] <clone_Q> but I am not very likely to plug the 950 in again without extra "armor" ;-).
[18:20] <clone_Q> Both systems ( I have another card, R9 380) were meant to be dual monitor... this kinda ruins things.
[18:21] <clone_Q> I purchased all kinds of VGA stuff (or DVI-I).
[18:21] <clone_Q> So how do I know how to retry the EDID thing?
[18:22] <clone_Q> I may need to put the monitor close to the cable and fiddle with it until it works.
[18:22] <clone_Q> But I need to know if it is automatic or not.
[18:24] <clone_Q> the nouveau driver does it at X start apparently.
[18:25] <clone_Q> but that means leaving this chat while doing so ;-).
[18:26] <clone_Q> It doesn't do it again apparently when I turn off the monitor and back again.
[18:26] <clone_Q> So how do I know if it's okay without restarting X?
[18:36] <lordievader> There are a couple of tools to read edid info from the video card.
[18:36] <lordievader> Google for it, forgot the name.
[18:42] <clone_Q> Yeah I found one
[18:42] <clone_Q> read-edid is in the repositories; makes "get-edid | parse-edid" do the trick, thanks.
[18:43] <clone_Q> The EDID problem seems to have been caused by a VGA switch that was in between :p. The switch would only report EDID when the monitor was connected to output 3, because it has 4 outputs :P :P :P.
[18:44] <clone_Q> dammit would never have thought that :p.
[18:44] <clone_Q> But the 950 problems also happened when directly connected without the switch.
[18:44] <clone_Q> anyway that solves my graphics problems for now, just not with the 950 yet...
[18:49] <clone_Q> but at least now I know how to get edid information for that too
[18:49] <lordievader> Those switches are teribble for EDID.
[18:50] <clone_Q> I guess it is logical that they would only pass it for one output.
[18:50] <clone_Q> just a little illogical that it is output number 3.
[18:57] <clone_Q> If I have 2 graphics cards in the system and I only connect the output of one of them... I mean which card is Linux going to pick?
[18:57] <clone_Q> and will the xrandr outputs be a collection of both of them? Will I found both outputs of both cards there?
[18:58] <clone_Q> in other words, can I safely connect the non-functioning device and test it after I connect something to it?
[18:58] <clone_Q> does Linux (or X, or KDE) automatically pick the card in the first slot?
[18:59] <clone_Q> or does it use the stuff the BIOS initializes first?
[18:59] <clone_Q> I guess I will just hook the failing card and see for myself (hook it as second slot).
[18:59] <clone_Q> (second card).
[18:59] <clone_Q> brb.
[18:59] <sintre> odd question , i guess you have a mobo with an onboard graphics and an additional third party gfx card correct?
[18:59] <sintre> lol of course it happens as i type
[19:01] <lordievader> Wasn't the R9 an AMD one? AMD and nVidia do not play nice in one system. I've tried -.-
[19:01] <sintre> he left :(
[19:02] <sintre> i agree though many many years ago
[19:02] <sintre> my first build actually
[19:02] <sintre> nvidia card on a amd mobo/cpu
[19:02] <sintre> did not work nicely
[19:02] <sintre> thought those problesm were fixed by now
[19:06] <BluesKaj> I run nvidia 8400gs on an amd cpu equipped HP desktop
[19:06] <BluesKaj> no probs
[19:06] <sintre> yea thought compatability was solved by now
[19:06] <sintre> but then again ever set up is different
[19:06] <sintre> so no guantees
[19:07] <sintre> i think the guy was concerned about having two cards and if one would deactivte or not
[19:07] <sintre> but he left before we could get to workin on it so no clue
[19:07] <BluesKaj> think I had to make the pci/gpu default a long time ago, iirc
[19:08] <BluesKaj> in the bios
[19:09] <sintre> well hopefully he'll come back
[19:10] <BluesKaj> this desktop pc is 2008 vintage so no mucking about with gpt and efi
[19:11] <BluesKaj> it has a real bios :-)
[19:11] <sintre> ahh nice , i gave my laat old school system away to a local food bank a year ago
[19:11] <sintre> i just don't have room to hook it up
[19:12] <sintre> although i wasn't very happy a "volunteer" decided they needed it and took it home
[19:12] <sintre> lesson learned
[19:13] <sintre> but sinse the work or volunteer requirment got into affect alot of the volunteers actually kind are in need i guess , thats why they're there
[19:14] <BluesKaj> heh, i guy at the local seniors drop in center was going to "fix the computer" a freind gave them by trying to bring it home, but my friend managed to show hm there was nothing wrong because it was running ubuntu and not windows :-)
[19:15] <sintre> :)
[19:15] <sintre> i found out in hindsight unfurtately , nothihng i could of done to stop it , when i donated mine
[19:15] <BluesKaj> the last I heard the seniors were still using ubuntu
[19:15] <sintre> i normally do 3 or four food bank runs a year
[19:17] <sintre> that would be a good outreach program , get a hardware drive of sorts going
[19:17] <sintre> than macgyver a bunch of pcs and put kubuntu on em
[19:18] <sintre> i'm sure we all have a bunch of crap sitting in our closets going to no use
[19:18] <BluesKaj> anyway, I'm a senior myself and I check in there every few months to see how they're managing , they have 3 pcs on the go there now
[19:18] <sintre> nice
[19:19] <sintre> i havre 4 old but funcional hdds sitting around collecting dust
[19:19] <sintre> somebody lse has a box and mobo , bam we go something
[19:25] <lordievader> sintre: I had it the other way around, motherboard had an nVidia chip. AMD gpu added.
[19:26] <sintre> ahh interesting
[19:28] <lordievader> It was either... not both.
[19:36] <clone_Q> hiya
[19:36] <sintre> wb
[19:36] <clone_Q> it seems my problems were all due to cabling or there was something wrong with the connector on the card.
[19:36] <sintre> btw while you were gone we had a talk about the duel issue
[19:36] <clone_Q> I used the edid tool until it connected without error.
[19:36] <clone_Q> ah
[19:37] <sintre> well one thing that isn't needed now it seems is you would need to didable one or the other in bios
[19:37] <sintre> glad to here you got it fixed though :)
[19:38] <sintre> is on disabled by default ?
[19:38] <clone_Q> yeah. I could not get an image by default on the 2nd card.
[19:38] <clone_Q> but the EDID information did read.
[19:38] <sintre> ok is the one working the one you want working?
[19:38] <clone_Q> (or didn't, as the case may be :p).
[19:38] <clone_Q> both are working now
[19:38] <clone_Q> the EDID issue is what caused it not to function at all in X mode
[19:38] <clone_Q> something was wrong with the connector on the card I think.
[19:39] <sintre> is one an onboard chip and the other a actuall card , or are both cards?
[19:39] <sintre> nose just for info purposes here now :)
[19:39] <clone_Q> I had it loaded as the second card, then I connected the cable to it, then ran the edid tool, then connected the cable back to the first card and read the output.
[19:39] <clone_Q> both are cards.
[19:40] <clone_Q> One is GT 640 and other is GTX 950.
[19:40] <sintre> and both functional?
[19:40] <sintre> will both output
[19:40] <clone_Q> at first I got .. well the second one does not do anything now.
[19:40] <clone_Q> I'm not sure what X will do.
[19:40] <sintre> well thats what we were thinking
[19:40] <clone_Q> but BIOS/framebuffer driver doesn't do anything with it.
[19:41] <clone_Q> it is recognised by the system I guess.
[19:41] <sintre> it confuses the system with the two so it has to pick one
[19:41] <clone_Q> oh yes I was going to read xrandr info.
[19:41] <clone_Q> oh yes both cards are present as outputs :)
[19:42] <sintre> both tested?
[19:42] <sintre> or just showing up
[19:42] <clone_Q> DVI-I-1-2 disconnected HDMI-1-2 disconnected DVI-D-1-2 disconnected  <-- not yet, just showing up
[19:42] <clone_Q> this is the second card now, the GT 640.
[19:42] <clone_Q> I have to hook it up to the switch to be able to test it.
[19:43] <sintre> pls do :)
[19:43] <clone_Q> so both cards are actually hooked to the switch :p
[19:43] <sintre> interesting set up
[19:43] <clone_Q> I could put a cloned image on DVI-I-1-2 and see if it shows when I attack it to the monitor.
[19:43] <clone_Q> I mean when I attack it to the switch and then switch to that input.
[19:43] <clone_Q> attach*
[19:44] <sintre> be gentle with monitor
[19:44] <sintre> :P
[19:45] <clone_Q> hehe
[19:45] <clone_Q> be gentle with knee *ouch*.
[19:46] <clone_Q> it shows the DVI-I-1-2 as connected now, the annoying thing is the switch doesn't pass the EDID when not selected.
[19:47] <sintre> so second card won't output
[19:47] <clone_Q> not yet let's see what happens when I switch to it, but I don't know what happens so I have to think about what to do in case of black image :p
[19:50] <clone_Q> it works alright, but I can hardly clone it if not both have the same edid right.
[19:50] <sintre> well funutately
[19:50] <sintre> i mean unfurtately
[19:51] <sintre> alot of duel monitor support problems
[19:51] <sintre> i would assume that easily translates into duel card problems as well
[19:51] <sintre> supposedly they're getting tackled one by one
[19:51] <sintre> yet to see it but , i can't even get clone to work with hdmi thru my new laptop
[19:52] <sintre> on my living room tv
[19:52] <sintre> which pisses me off to no end
[19:52] <sintre> as i have free hbo thru hbo go
[19:52] <sintre> and i'm not payinf 20 dollars for another cable box lol
[19:54] <clone_Q> my keyboard started malfunctioning I don know why :p
[19:54] <sintre> my paticular problem is the screens one clone properly for the native resolution
[19:54] <sintre> well if you can live with just one card for awhile
[19:55] <sintre> i would start there
[19:55] <sintre> get everything stable , and then later try to trouble shoot the other one working in tandum
[19:55] <sintre> its is a card you can pull out and all :)
[19:55] <clone_Q> right now it is the keyboard :p maybe it is just a battery problem :p
[19:56] <sintre> i just plugging it in for this type of trouble shooting lol
[19:56] <clone_Q> this is so weird
[19:56] <sintre> and how the hell do you have two dedicated cards in  anotebook
[19:56] <clone_Q> wireless keyboard
[19:57] <sintre> ohh
[19:57] <sintre> got a wired one around
[19:57] <clone_Q> my system now outputs each keypress on the next keypress
[19:57] <clone_Q> yeah but I am at a distance
[19:58] <sintre> get a chair hehe
[19:58] <clone_Q> I am on the floor :p
[19:58] <clone_Q> it only does it weird in the konsole and stuff ?
[19:58] <clone_Q> weirdness
[19:58] <sintre> well until you use a wired keyboard you won't know
[19:59] <sintre> wifi or blutooth gizmoz have a habbit of going bonkers sometimes
[20:03] <clone_Q> wired keyboard has the same
[20:03] <sintre> now this is getting odd
[20:03] <sintre> hmm
[20:04] <sintre> i suggest taking out one of the cards and starting from there
[20:04] <clone_Q> this weird shit started happening when I did the clone or something, Or I didn't do any clone yet as a matter of fact.
[20:04] <clone_Q> no no not so rash
[20:04] <sintre> the system seems to be very confused atm
[20:04] <clone_Q> I am happy it is in lol
[20:04] <sintre> well happy your keyboard doesn't work?
[20:05] <sintre> we kind gotta deduce what is causing this system
[20:05] <clone_Q> come on give it a break for now, I need to get this back to the first monitor first
[20:05] <clone_Q> actually there is only one monitor, but still :p
[20:05] <sintre> why do you need two cards ?
[20:05] <sintre> at this moment
[20:06] <sintre> if only one potential output
[20:06] <clone_Q> the problem doesn't happen in kate, only in konsole
[20:06] <clone_Q> actually it seems to be delayed
[20:06] <sintre> switch  might be aculptrit as well
[20:06] <clone_Q> let's see
[20:07] <clone_Q> yeah yeah but not so fast.
[20:07] <clone_Q> I haven't managed to type an xrandr command yet
[20:08] <clone_Q> what the hell you know
[20:08] <clone_Q> this started happening after I put the output to the second card.
[20:09] <clone_Q> wut the thing is already cloned
[20:09] <clone_Q> if I switch the switch, the screen stays the same, so I have the same image on both cards?
[20:09] <sintre> i have no clue the brand or type of set up with the switch
[20:10] <sintre> at this point , going back to one card getting it working perfectly
[20:10] <clone_Q> they keyboard anomaly only happens when I put the SWITCH to the 2nd card lol.
[20:10] <sintre> THEN adding the second is your best bet to figure this out
[20:10] <clone_Q> it already works perfectly, I don't need to do that.
[20:10] <sintre> ok then , i guess you good to go then
[20:11] <sintre> without a keyboard that works in konsole though
[20:11] <clone_Q> look I'm having problems typing and you are suggesting I turn off the PC :p.
[20:11] <sintre> yes take out one of the card
[20:11] <sintre> 's's
[20:11] <clone_Q> whyt
[20:11] <clone_Q> why
[20:11] <sintre> because you can't even freakin type like you said
[20:12] <clone_Q> only if the second card's output is used.
[20:12] <sintre> not sure how much you pc is gonna be if you can't use a keyboard
[20:12] <clone_Q> if I press the switch, everything is back to normal.
[20:12] <sintre> then why have the second output
[20:12] <clone_Q> just for testing my friend.
[20:12] <clone_Q> you wanted to know if it worked or not.
[20:12] <sintre> if it renders your system useless
[20:12] <clone_Q> well actually.
[20:12] <clone_Q> come on I only just found out.
[20:13] <clone_Q> what's the point of testing if there's nothing that's allowed to go wrong?
[20:13] <sintre> well i dont have any more ideas to throw at it
[20:13] <clone_Q> I would suggest relaxing.
[20:13] <sintre> later in more u.s. primetime some guys and gals with alot more knoledge than me should be around
[20:13] <clone_Q> Instead of trying to solve the problem ASAP.
[20:13] <clone_Q> :p.
[20:14] <clone_Q> :).
[20:14] <clone_Q> thank you though but... there is no issue, I only just found this thing out and I am still seeing what it's all about, that's all.
[20:15] <clone_Q> If you're not even giving me any time to type any command, how am I supposed to find anything out about what's causing it?
[20:25] <clone_Q> the switch is not supposed to effect the computer apart from the edid thing
[20:26] <clone_Q> the second card was really originally meant as a pass-through card for a virtual machine running Windows to game  in.
[20:27] <clone_Q> right now it is just a cute thing sitting in the machine because I have to put it somewhere :p.
[20:27] <clone_Q> this was just my first test ever if two cards would work, same as for you I guess.
[20:28] <clone_Q> The Typing Thing was unexpected as the switch should not effect the computer.
[20:29] <clone_Q> cloning itself is problematic as xrandr needs both modes to be present on both cards at he same time to use the --same-as feature.
[20:30] <clone_Q> It is funny enough that I *can* get an image on the second monitor if I want to (using the second card in that sense).
[20:31] <clone_Q> It doesn't take much to achieve that, I mean.
[20:35] <clone_Q> I have the weird typing on the second monitor (second card) even when the first card is not connected at all, meaning it should have little to do with the switch, and more with the card? I don know.
[20:36] <clone_Q> Anyway I am happy it works at all and if I don't use the second card there are no issues.
[20:36] <clone_Q> Just a bit disappointed I guess that there is such a weird issue with it.
[20:43] <drostie> Sorry for people noticing the join messages.
[20:43] <drostie> Didn't realize I had my client attached to two things.
[20:45] <drostie> Ok, now I should only have the one connection to freenode. :x
[22:09] <Mordas> Howdy
[22:10] <Mordas> I'm trying to get tor browser to work, but can't. I'm pretty new to kubuntu and it has worked before but will not now. Can anyone help?
[22:10] <sintre> what browser
[22:11] <Mordas> firefox
[22:11] <sintre> what install did you do newer 16.10 or lts 16.04
[22:11] <Mordas> I'll be honest, I'm kind of out of my element off a  windows machine. Trying to figure out how to check
[22:12] <sintre> start settings
[22:12] <sintre> or sinse you out of element lets make this easier
[22:12] <sintre> right click on little k button at bottom left
[22:12] <sintre> and click alternatives
[22:13] <sintre> then switch to menu mode
[22:13] <Mordas> It's not one of the options I'm given when right clicking,
[22:13] <Mordas> aha, got it
[22:13] <sintre> ok now lets starty to find out what you installed
[22:14] <sintre> system , then info center
[22:14] <Mordas> I'm using 14.04
[22:14] <sintre> ok way old there bud
[22:14] <sintre> lol
[22:14] <Mordas> It's an older laptop, I know its out of date.
[22:15] <sintre> ok but in the mean time we can update you
[22:15] <Mordas> Has worked great for me though
[22:15] <sintre> go to same place but click on konsole
[22:15] <sintre> yea not upgrading full distro just yet
[22:15] <Mordas> konsole is open
[22:15] <sintre> we gota update you apps and other things first
[22:15] <Mordas> I've got updates going right now
[22:15] <sintre> type apt update
[22:16] <sintre> then apt full-upgrade
[22:16] <Mordas> I'm at 12%, but it is upgrading. I'm in the sticks so its only about 300 kbps
[22:16] <sintre> no rush
[22:16] <Mordas> Would you say that could be why I've lost functionality?
[22:16] <sintre> if it working it working
[22:16] <sintre> outdated browser most likely
[22:17] <sintre> we'll fix this here soon
[22:17] <Mordas> Makes sense.
[22:17] <Mordas> I inherited a laptop with no os from my brother two years ago, decided to take my first step into open source.
[22:17] <sintre> alot of people still use 14 , but upgrade the packages
[22:18] <sintre> yea its a pain at first but you'll never go back once you are familiar
[22:18] <Mordas> It's taking forever and a day for this update, not moving off the 12%.
[22:18] <sintre> its alot , just go get a beer  :)
[22:18] <Mordas> My uncle reccomended it to me, I love it.
[22:18] <sintre> its gonna upgrade alot
[22:18] <Mordas> Well, I've had it updating for at least 30 minutes or so haha
[22:18] <Mordas> The speed is varying, so I know it isn't stopping.
[22:19] <sintre> i'd look into statelite if your cable is that slow
[22:19] <sintre> or 56k or whatever you got
[22:19] <Mordas> The only bad luck I've had was that two days ago my desktop was completely lost. I could not right click, no start menu/task bar, no icons
[22:19] <sintre> thats abnomral
[22:19] <Mordas> I eventually found a way to reset it to default on a forum, could not do better.
[22:20] <sintre> maybe after this update we might want to try and download
[22:20] <Mordas> 13%, I'm really moving now.
[22:20] <sintre> 16.04 lts
[22:20] <sintre> hey in an hour we'll be there
[22:20] <sintre> :)
[22:20] <sintre> but i gotta start dinner her in 30 mins lol
[22:20] <Mordas> Looking at my hardware, this thing is old
[22:21] <Mordas> 1.7gb ram
[22:21] <Mordas> AMD Sempron
[22:21] <Mordas> 32 bit
[22:21] <Mordas> I had considered upgrading, just wasn't sure how far before I was pushing my luck.
[22:21] <sintre> i use a 1.4 core two duo with 2 gigs of ram as my primary lappy
[22:21] <sintre> kubuntu runs fine
[22:21] <sintre> but i kinda cheat as i also put a ssd in it
[22:21] <Mordas> I bet it's 7 years old at least
[22:21] <sintre> yep
[22:22] <Mordas> Maybe 10
[22:22] <sintre> also it has a 128 nvidia mobile chip as well which also helps
[22:22] <Mordas> Nah, has windows 7
[22:22] <Mordas> Not 10 then.
[22:22] <Mordas> Had*
[22:22] <sintre> thing won't die lol
[22:22] <sintre> although speakers did battery did rest of it will boot :)
[22:22] <Mordas> My brother gave it to me. He had dropped it and destroyed the monitor after getting a virus on it. When I went to the backup partition, it was gone.
[22:22] <sintre> got a new system last october
[22:22] <Mordas> There was only a picture of one nude woman, not even that attractive.
[22:23] <sintre> 8 gig 2ghz i3 laptop
[22:23] <sintre> lol , he got is pr0n in the wrong places lol
[22:23] <sintre> :P
[22:24] <Mordas> Was a pretty funny way to get it, but I had been looking for an excuse to get into this for a while. My uncle was an early adopter and got me a knoppix cd to screw around with on my old windows 98 comp
[22:24] <sintre> my first experience with linux was for back up reasons
[22:24] <sintre> used a distro called puppy linux
[22:24] <Mordas> He recommended Kubuntu for me getting off Windows, I doubt he is using it himself.
[22:24] <sintre> never thought of using it as my primary os
[22:24] <Mordas> I've heard of it, I was reading several distros looking at lightweight. Xubuntu was another option I didn't go down.
[22:24] <sintre> but oddly enough when windows shut down all support for xp
[22:25] <sintre> which this system came with i decided fk*** them
[22:25] <sintre> and i've never looked back
[22:25] <sintre> windows actually drove me to linux lol
[22:25] <Mordas> I use windows at work, mainly working in SAP.
[22:25] <Mordas> Budget drove me to linux.
[22:26] <Mordas> I started with open office on windows, then firefox, thunderbird, then finally went to the OS itself.
[22:26] <Mordas> 14%!
[22:26] <Mordas> I get a good deal on the cable and internet combo, and its fast enough for vids and everything else. I'm not sure why it's so slow today
[22:27] <sintre> again slow
[22:27] <sintre> because old
[22:27] <sintre> had same problem
[22:27] <Mordas> I'm old and slow too. We make a fine pair.
[22:27] <sintre> i would look at cheap ssd's
[22:27] <sintre> can get one on budget at 40-70 dollars
[22:28] <sintre> on sale now
[22:28] <Mordas> ssd's?
[22:28] <sintre> this older system uses a 120 gig one cost me 70 dollars last summer
[22:28] <sintre> solid state drive
[22:28] <Mordas> ah
[22:28] <sintre> if you just have funcion
[22:28] <sintre> after cuntion i'm sry
[22:28] <sintre> 70 bucks is cheaper than 350 for new system
[22:28] <Mordas> yeah
[22:29] <Mordas> I just keep winding up with stoneage laptops that I put to work
[22:29] <Mordas> My gaming needs don't go any deeper than MUD's, and my 386 ran those fine heh.
[22:29] <sintre> lol , i give alot of pc's away lately
[22:29] <sintre> no room in my small condo to even hook them up
[22:29] <sintre> i'm down to 3 notebooks now
[22:30] <Mordas> I've got a barn, all the room I want.
[22:30] <sintre> one of which is a brick died in lightning strike
[22:30] <sintre> hey some benefit to licving in the sticks there :)
[22:30] <Mordas> 16%!
[22:30] <sintre> lol
[22:30] <Mordas> Though I use linux and SAP is my livelihood, in other ways I am more country than cornbread.
[22:30] <sintre> just let it ride , hopefully it'll speed up
[22:31] <Mordas> I've considered using some of my old desktops for target shooting.
[22:32] <sintre> depends on the dump near you , some assholes will charge more for crap with bullets in it target disposal and such
[22:32] <Mordas> The old man at the dump is king of that hill, his price depends on whether you get along well with him or not.
[22:33] <Mordas> We get along well.
[22:33] <sintre> hehe, suck up good
[22:33] <Mordas> Not really, I just talk to him like he is a human being. Few offer him that courtesy.
[22:34] <sintre> yea well i think honest old timers should get respect desrved
[22:34] <sintre> they could live another year or another five you never know
[22:34] <Mordas> A lower social security number than god, holed up overalls, an unkempt beard, sometimes a shirt, and a early 80's 1 ton dodge pickup.
[22:35] <Mordas> But he's never done anything worse than look offensive to the eye and be hard of hearing as far as I can tell.
[22:35] <sintre> yea ran across guys like that
[22:35] <nicklas> running ubuntu mate :-)
[22:35] <nicklas> Hello. Had to reinstall, cause when I tried to install nvidia via the ubuntu mate welcome/additional drivers, it did'nt finish all the way. The progress bar stopped right before the end. I rebooted, and gui wouldn't load, just had a blocks test text and a underline blinking randomly on black screen after booting. Is it safe to just try again, or should I do something else?
[22:35] <sintre> alright well i'm out for a bit gotta start some supper , i'll be around the keyboard once and awhile
[22:35] <sintre> i know its a slow download but it is upgrading ALOT
[22:35] <Mordas> Thanks, I'll be around but half afk too. I have a while to wait.
[22:36] <Mordas> You know, its funny'
[22:36] <sintre> imagine back in ms days
[22:36] <Mordas> I only saw that update box populate after I reset the desktop to defaults.
[22:36] <sintre> when upgrading win98 took half a day lol
[22:36] <sintre> it won't be that bad
[22:36] <Mordas> If not for the problem, I would have went on.
[22:36] <Mordas> I still have my windows 3.1 backup set of diskettes somewhere.
[22:36] <sintre> that got intitiated because of the commands
[22:36] <Mordas> All 100 lbs of them.
[22:37] <sintre> lol , see you in 30 minutes we'll check in
[22:37] <Mordas> Later and thanks again
[22:37] <sintre> np
[23:36] <Mordas> Alright, its done Sin
[23:37] <sintre> gratz
[23:37] <sintre> hows it working now?
[23:37] <Mordas> Can't seem to get it
[23:37] <sintre> ?
[23:37] <Mordas> I'm ready to start over from scratch
[23:37] <sintre> ok lets download
[23:37] <sintre> 16.04 lts
[23:38] <Mordas> moment
[23:38] <sintre> http://kubuntu.com/getkubuntu/
[23:38] <Mordas> I'm not ready to upgrade versions yet, the last time I did so I lost some data (or was unable to find it)
[23:39] <Mordas> Can you help me understand a little more about what I can only call winzip for this?
[23:39] <sintre> yes but in mean time download it to have a copy if you have dvds
[23:39] <sintre> what are you trying to do?
[23:39] <Mordas> Install tor browser
[23:39] <sintre> which browser
[23:39] <Mordas> tor browser, I used to use it.
[23:39] <Mordas> somehow it does not work anymore
[23:39] <Mordas> it adds on to firefox
[23:40] <sintre> firefox is the browser
[23:40] <sintre> not a plug in
[23:40] <sintre> ok lets go to another route
[23:40] <Mordas> I'm not sure how to describe it properly, it ran off of firefox before I think, but I don't know hwo or why that was.
[23:40] <Mordas> I could be incorrect.
[23:40] <sintre> start system then discover
[23:40] <sintre> and tell me if firefox is installed
[23:41] <Mordas> it is installed, am using it now
[23:41] <sintre> so what is the problem then
[23:41] <Mordas> I wanted the tor version of it installed
[23:42] <Mordas> I've got the archive (winzip clone) for it. I can't seem to get it working.
[23:42] <sintre> hmm i'm personally un aware of tor version
[23:42] <Mordas> I open the folder, cannot extract it.
[23:42] <Mordas> It worked a long time ago, I don't remember when it stopped working.
[23:43] <sintre> could be older theme pack of sorts that won't work with newer version as dirrectories and such achange
[23:43] <Mordas> Unfortunate
[23:43] <sintre> well old stuff stops working with tik eif unsupported
[23:43] <sintre> doies this have a website you could check , and see how recently it has been supported
[23:43] <Mordas> I can't even seem to extract it
[23:43] <Mordas> from its ark file
[23:43] <sintre> the zip file
[23:44] <Mordas> yeah
[23:44] <sintre> find the file
[23:44] <sintre> thru
[23:44] <sintre> dolphin
[23:44] <sintre> same place as discover
[23:44] <Mordas> It says Ark could not extract /home/arkb12 (million numbers).tar
[23:45] <sintre> no clue at this point
[23:45] <sintre> why do you want this theme anyways
[23:45] <sintre> ?
[23:46] <Mordas> I know I'm out of my element in this, but I don't think I'm stupid either heh.
[23:46] <sintre> i wouldn't try to help you if i thought you were
[23:47] <sintre> regular firefox works fine for me
[23:47] <sintre> if after all this trouble i'd leave well enough aklone imo
[23:47] <Mordas> That's probably what its going to be.
[23:47] <sintre> this thing you were using as you said is very dated
[23:47] <sintre> just like you system was
[23:48] <Mordas> I'm one of those nuts that while I don't think I am that interesting, do enjoy the idea of an anonymous browser that the government or any would be data miner could not follow so easily.
[23:48] <sintre> i suggest now that you system is function imediately start to download 16.04 lts
[23:48] <Mordas> So I liked that tor thing.
[23:48] <sintre> burn a copu to dvd
[23:48] <sintre> well linux is secure but not exactly private
[23:48] <Mordas> It will probably come to that.
[23:49] <sintre> any it can see your a linux user vs a windows user
[23:49] <Mordas> It was supposedly strong for anonymous browsing, and I enjoyed that. I am not trained in the particulars of why it is so.
[23:49] <sintre> and sinse windows 7 as an example is the most currently common os
[23:50] <sintre> you'll stick out like asoar thumb no matter what "privatew" browser gizmo you have installed
[23:50] <Mordas> heh
[23:50] <Mordas> True story
[23:50] <sintre> firefox is pretty good on security in general
[23:51] <Mordas> There is no small amount of ego involved, I hate to be beaten by something that I'm sure has a reasonable explanation.
[23:51] <sintre> but your not gonna be able to hide your using a os different than 90% of people out there
[23:51] <sintre> good news is your more secure than 90% of the people out there
[23:51] <Mordas> The sorrows of avoiding the evil empire at Microsoft.
[23:52] <sintre> well more of us the better , welcome to the team  so to speak
[23:52] <sintre> btw do you have the fireall gui installed?
[23:52] <sintre> firewall
[23:52] <Mordas> It was a funny browser, it would even advise you against maximizing your window for belief that your monitor type was also an indicator.
[23:53] <Mordas> Extreme, maybe. But I'm a nut anyway so why not.
[23:53] <Mordas> No, I don't
[23:53] <sintre> sudo apt install gufw
[23:53] <Mordas> I love that sudo word. XKCD got me into that
[23:54] <sintre> lol
[23:54] <Mordas> working
[23:55] <sintre> it should be under settings , turn it on :)
[23:55] <sintre> more secure now than 95% of microsoft users
[23:55] <Mordas> heh
[23:56] <Mordas> Is there a primer on how to start with this? I've seemed to be able to do okay through trial and error (and forum archeology when problems arise)
[23:56] <sintre> super simple
[23:56] <sintre> default settings are 100% for most
[23:56] <sintre> then you can start to add or disallow certain programs
[23:57] <sintre> many website and webpost on how to do it
[23:57] <Mordas> I should be more clear, I mean with using Kubuntu in general
[23:57] <Mordas> GUFW up and running
[23:57] <sintre> well come to chat , lol , hmm kubuntu is ubuntu with a kde plsma desktop
[23:58] <sintre> or some call it a windows manager
[23:58] <sintre> kinda of a mergrrt of two software projects
[23:58] <sintre> type in kde or ubuntu
[23:58] <Mordas> Fine to say, I'm still considered a refugee from paying software. Lots to learn :D
[23:58] <sintre> in and search engine and start to read
[23:59] <Mordas> How active is this room? We are the only ones I have seen talking.
[23:59] <sintre> i too wish i could give you a quick start guide , but it just takes time to learn everything
[23:59] <Mordas> My years of experience with online communities tells me you are a lonely helper hehe
[23:59] <sintre> more people around than you would think
[23:59] <sintre> but alot of people are busy with other projects and so
[23:59] <Mordas> <----I say this as a MUD player