[08:48] <diplo> Morning all
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:51] <SuperMatt> Morning all
[08:54] <SuperMatt> So, with the rising tide of ridiculousness in politics, I want to volunteer my techy skills with some grassroots campaigns. Anyone know of any?
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> you could give classes on how to keep your communications safe to various groups
[08:59] <SuperMatt> That's not a bad idea
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> even regular presentations on malware, phishing attempts and latest insecurities might help
[09:20] <popey> SuperMatt: perhaps get in touch with the mySociety people. They do good things. https://www.mysociety.org/
[09:20] <popey> e.g. they run https://www.writetothem.com/
[09:20] <SuperMatt> ah right, that's cool
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I just remembered the EFF exists too
[09:20] <SuperMatt> and ORG
[09:22] <popey> ORG deffo needs help
[09:22] <SuperMatt> Yeah, I just looked at their meetup page, and the only event they have planned is a trip to the science museum
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:05] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:06] <brobostigon> morning
[10:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Inspire Your Heart With Art Day! 😃 🖌
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmY4fNaXXgc easy
[19:44] <Azelphur> having a fun issue on Ubuntu 16.10, turn machine on, it boots, I can see the wallpaper, screen flickers on for about 500ms, before turning off for around 3 seconds, then repeating. Checked xorg and lightdm logs but nothing is going on in them. any ideas?
[20:00] <davmor2> Azelphur: what's the graphics stack?
[20:04] <Azelphur> davmor2: just a radeon r9 390 on the open source drivers
[20:05] <davmor2> Azelphur: hmm not sure then sorry, only thing I can think of is to maybe have a look in systemctl rather than the logs if you can
[20:06] <Azelphur> I was looking in systemctl for lightdm
[20:06] <Azelphur> Can you look at systemctl for X?
[20:07] <davmor2> Azelphur: more general issues than specifically for x but I think it will tell you if x crash, other thing would be to check /var/crash
[20:11] <Azelphur> davmor2: empty directory :(
[20:13] <Azelphur> davmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsV8Z-qe0EY for reference, flickering starts after it boots at 50 seconds-ish
[20:18] <popey> Azelphur: did you say it logs in then you see the flicker?
[20:18] <popey> or crapping out at login screen?
[20:18] <Azelphur> nah, it's crapping out at the login screen
[20:18] <Azelphur> although I can't remember if I set it to automatically login
[20:20] <popey> Yeah, I'd be inclined to look in the usual /var/log places
[20:20] <popey> but also if you have autologin, look in ~/.xsession-errors.log (I think it's called)
[20:28] <Azelphur> popey: that unity-settings-daemon stuff looks dodgy, https://dpaste.de/vB0k
[20:32] <popey> Azelphur: there's an askubuntu question about resetting unity somewhere
[20:32] <popey> might be worth doing
[20:32] <popey> just puts all the compiz nonsense back to default
[20:33] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17610/how-do-i-reset-my-unity-configuration
[20:33] <popey> part way down
[20:33] <Azelphur> oO, found a problem
[20:33] <Azelphur>  [drm:radeon_dp_link_train [radeon]] *ERROR* channel eq failed: 5 tries
[20:33] <Azelphur> getting that being spammed like mad in journalctl -xef
[20:34] <popey> ooh
[20:34] <popey> no idea about ATI/AMD, sory
[20:34] <popey> *sorry
[20:34] <Azelphur> There's a PPA for newer kernels right? might try bumping onto that
[20:34] <popey> yeah
[20:34] <popey> !mainline
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD>
[21:20] <daftykins> AMD and 16.04+ still seems to be a nightmare atm :)


[23:45] <gebbione> i was putting -vvv at the end
[23:45] <gebbione> :/
[23:47] <sarnold> aha :)
[23:47] <reptile1> might be a noob question but is the 18.04 server release also supported for 10yrs?
[23:47] <pragmaticenigma> reptile1: where did you see that?
[23:48] <Major_Wedgie> Looking for a desktop at the works with Facebook?
[23:48] <reptile1> people are saying 18.04 is supported for 10yrs
[23:48] <OerHeks> 5 years + 5 years paid ?
[23:48] <reptile1> no
[23:48] <OerHeks> yes
[23:48] <OerHeks> https://www.zdnet.com/article/mark-shuttleworth-reveals-ubuntu-18-04-will-get-a-10-year-support-lifespan/
[23:48] <leftyfb> reptile1: it's 5 years + 5 years of paid ESM
[23:49] <reptile1> hip-hip hooray
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> reptile1: You can also look here: https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[23:49] <reptile1> nvm
[23:49] <reptile1> i will take a look
[23:50] <reptile1> hmmmm well i guess 5yrs is....ok
[23:50] <reptile1> i kid i kid
[23:50] <OerHeks> i would put money in hardware https://www.extremetech.com/computing/291649-intel-performance-amd-spectre-meltdown-mds-patches
[23:52] <reptile1> i was asking because it would've been cool to have my server os supported for 10yrs for free
[23:52] <uio> Am I allowed to ask why you prefer Ubuntu to Debian? It's a real question, not just to argue! I find the two interesting...
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> uio: No, that is offtopic ... this is a support channel for support questions online. See #ubuntu-offtopic for starting debates
[23:54] <reptile1> uio go to ubuntu-offtopic
[23:54] <m_ad[m]> Go CentOS then reptile1
[23:55] <reptile1> the iso seems beefyer and i am slowly learning fedora so maybe i will
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> m_ad[m]: You as well, please keep it to support related contributions here
[23:56] <reptile1> ok
[23:57] <uio> pragmaticenigma, I'll head there. As for m_ad[m], their comment was a logical continuation of what reptile1 and OerHeks were talking about... so it probably fit better here than in offtopic. Okay, off to offtopic to chat about .deb distros!