[00:00] <Tekno> joo'o
[00:32] <shade34321> so i have two problems Im trying to solve today.....my audio for my USB headphones is not working, the mic is and my audio is for regular headphones and my speakers, and I cant get DVD's to play
[00:32] <shade34321> any idea on how to fix either of these two problems would be greatly appreciated
[00:33] <dtchen> shade34321: let's start at the bottom of the stack.
[00:33] <shade34321> ok
[00:33] <dtchen> shade34321: please run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[00:33] <dtchen> shade34321: it's a bash script, so don't use sh but bash
[00:34] <shade34321> i'm sorry....i'm a bit new to linux....please explain how i'm supposed to do this a bit more....do you want me to copy the text to a file and save it, as what....then what
[00:35] <dtchen> wget -O ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[00:35] <dtchen> bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[00:35] <dtchen> those are Terminal commands
[00:36] <shade34321> ok....one sec...running them now
[00:36] <shade34321> ok....here you go
[00:36] <shade34321> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0259f8b166606bf5ece7bbc305a34eabe968b4a3
[00:38] <dtchen> ok, please install pavucontrol
[00:38] <dtchen> then use it to migrate your desired audio streams to the usb device
[00:38] <shade34321> ok....where can i get that from....ok
[00:39] <dtchen> you can use Synaptic/apt-get/aptitude to install it
[00:39] <dtchen> e.g., sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[00:39] <shade34321> got it....installing now
[00:39] <shade34321> thanks for helping
[00:39] <dtchen> anytime
[00:40] <shade34321> do you know anything about my DVD playback problem?
[00:40] <dtchen> i lack troubleshooting details. what application are you using to try to play DVDs?
[00:41] <shade34321> ive used vlc, totem, mplayer.....each give me a different error
[00:41] <shade34321> on one the movie starts to play
[00:41] <shade34321> but then stops and gives me an error
[00:41] <shade34321> while the other's wont even play it
[00:42] <Skiessi> is it normal for 'ls -s' to show the file sizes quantized to every 4kB?
[00:43] <dtchen> Skiessi:
[00:43] <dtchen>        -s, --size
[00:43] <dtchen>               print the size of each file, in blocks
[00:43] <Skiessi> hmm
[00:43] <dtchen> IOW, yes
[00:44] <dtchen> shade34321: are you using the medibuntu repository?
[00:44] <shade34321> ummm...i would say no since i havent heard of that
[00:44] <DasEi> the increasement in time to bootup is really awesome, gg, installed on a 5mhz clereron; runs fine...
[00:44] <dtchen> shade34321: http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:44] <DasEi> 500*
[00:45] <dtchen> DasEi: do you mean the decrease in bootup time?
[00:45] <Skiessi> is there a way to see the size of the content?
[00:45] <dtchen> for most people, 9.04 boots in less time, not more time
[00:45] <DasEi> dtchen:decrease, less time, sure
[00:46] <dtchen> DasEi: not trying to be pedantic. some people are extremely sarcastic, and that isn't conveyed well over text. i'd rather be certain.
[00:47] <Skiessi> ok -l does enough
[00:47] <DasEi> ntfs support still didn't work for usb (tried to format with gparted) and gparted comes up with no root - auth, though it's still beta;;; was just a human expression error, dtchen
[00:48] <DasEi> thx for correcting
[00:48] <dtchen> np. again, not trying to be snarky.
[00:49] <DasEi> samll decrease from hardy to ibex, good hit from ibex to jaunty
[00:53] <shade34321> dtchen: that's a no go on the DVD playback
[00:53] <shade34321> on VLC it'll reconize the dvd is there and open a screen to play it
[00:53] <shade34321> and then automatically close it out
[00:53] <shade34321> which is what it did before
[00:54] <dtchen> shade34321: do you need to (re)set the region for the drive?
[00:54] <shade34321> and then Movie Player starts to play it....gets passed the legal stuff and says it cant read from source.....it did it on 2 dvd's....what do you mean?
[00:54] <shade34321> my laptop is from the US....and i'm trying to play DVD's i bought here
[00:54] <dtchen> hmm, it should be fine if it passed the copyright notice(s)
[00:54] <dtchen> what's in `dmesg'?
[00:55] <shade34321> it just tells me it cant read from the source....my other computer can play them though
[00:55] <shade34321> using vlc and other applications....it's windows though
[00:55] <dtchen> right, we can't rule out the possibility that there's a hw issue, like dirt
[00:55] <sbeattie> what's the solution to the 'pycentral: pycentral rtinstall: installed runtime python2.6 not found'? Niether python-central nor python2.6-minimal will successfully install because of it.
[00:56] <shade34321> true...let me see if i have a non movie cd and try to read from it
[00:57] <dtchen> shade34321: or one that's not region-locked
[00:57] <shade34321> also i dont know how to use this audio stuff i installed....but i cant seem to get it to come out of the USB headphones.....
[00:57] <dtchen> shade34321: do you have pavucontrol running?
[00:57] <shade34321> my laptop used to have windows and i could get the same DVD's to play
[00:57] <shade34321> yes sir...
[00:57] <dtchen> shade34321: do you see your usb headset in the Output Devices tab?
[00:58] <joshjtl> hey folks
[00:58] <joshjtl> does anyone use preload or prelink?
[00:58] <shade34321> yes sir
[00:59] <joshjtl> shade34321: which?
[00:59] <dtchen> shade34321: ok, use Totem to play a music file
[01:00] <shade34321> im watching a youtube video....it should be the same results though...but it's not working for my usb headset....my regular headphones and my laptop speakers both work
[01:00] <dtchen> shade34321: now switch to the Playback tab in pavucontrol. In the Totem stream, you can either click the dropdown arrow and choose Move Stream..., or you can right-click the sliders and choose the same
[01:01] <shade34321> got it....thanks:)
[01:02] <shade34321> im putting a picture DVD in....to make sure it's not a hardware issue and i can still use that drive
[01:03] <shade34321> that works
[01:03] <shade34321> *the pictured DVD anyways
[01:04] <dtchen> sbeattie: ok, silly questions time. is python-minimal fully configured?
[01:04] <sbeattie> dtchen: no, it's not, it fails to do so when I do dpkg --configure python-minimal with the same error.
[01:05] <mxboy15u> anyone have any aspire one experience in here?
[01:05] <sbeattie> dtchen: sorry, I lied, it's claiming it is fully configured.
[01:06] <bazookatooth> academic earth is amazing
[01:07] <shade34321> brb....restarting
[01:08] <bazookatooth> test
[01:08] <sbeattie> dtchen: mind you, python-minimal is version 2.5.2-1ubuntu1 not 2.6 something.
[01:09] <dtchen> ah
[01:09] <dtchen> was this using apt-get/aptitude and not do-release-upgrade?
[01:09] <sbeattie> dtchen: nope, via do-release-upgrade
[01:12] <dtchen> sbeattie: sorry, i'm kinda short on time, but i'm surprised that the postinst didn't expose more debugging messages
[01:12] <kindofabuzz> what is the panel app for system update notification called? It's not showing up for me. or is it broken?
[01:13] <bjsnider> it's not there for me either. the envelope
[01:13] <kindofabuzz> oh it's an envelope for that too now?
[01:14] <kindofabuzz> like when pidgin is open?
[01:14] <bjsnider> yes
[01:14] <kindofabuzz> i guess still not implemented or broken?
[01:14] <bjsnider> the omnipresent envelope o' doom
[01:18] <shade34321> so my DVD's wont play...i've installed the medibuntu repo, and it still wont play...vlc will open a window to play it and automatically close it out.....MPlayer looks like it's trying to play it but the picture is garbled then it goes crazy....Totem starts to play it and gets through the legal stuff when it tells me it cant read the resource anymore
[01:24] <shathan> hi
[01:24] <shathan> with jaunty are the input devices moved out of xorg.conf?
[01:24] <imachine> cwillu_clone, is it 100% done ?
[01:24] <imachine> I had issues with deleting files!
[01:26] <jadams_> howdy
[01:28] <shade34321> I cant get DVD's to play...most of the players give me an error....it states it cant read the resource
[01:29] <sbeattie> dtchen: thanks for your help; I filed bug 354217 ; hopefully mvo can straighten me out.
[01:36] <eseven73> hi does Jaunty support ext4?
[01:36] <fosco_> yes
[01:37] <eseven73> ok thanks
[01:37] <joshjtl> i dont know whats going on here, i recently reinstalled jaunty kubuntu, and kde is running super super slow
[01:37] <joshjtl> ive dist-upgraded too
[01:38] <thiebaude> im unable to load x , i'am using a 81815 intel graphics card, is there a workaround for this problem?
[01:39] <joshjtl> this is really really not cool
[01:40] <QPrime> joshjtl: KDE or video in general?
[01:40] <joshjtl> QPrime: KDE
[01:41] <eseven73> The gparted live CD i have doesn't have a ext4 option, how do i format my hd  to ext4?
[01:41] <QPrime> joshjtl: ok.  not running KDE here, so I don't even have a frame of reference to make suggestions :(  Video in general has been tricky on the Jaunty pre-releases tho.
[01:41] <fosco_> eseven73: with the ubuntu liveCD
[01:42] <eseven73> fosco_, i dont see options for partitioning, or do i have to use guided?
[01:42] <eseven73> or non guided i mean
[01:42] <eseven73> i ususally use guided
[01:42] <fosco_> manually partition
[01:42] <eseven73> oh
[01:42] <QPrime> fosco_: is ext4 an option on the regular live cd?  I know its an option in the alt. cd.
[01:43] <fosco_> QPrime: an option on desktop liveCD
[01:43] <QPrime> fosco_: cool, thanks.
[01:45] <eseven73> fosco_, ok so if i do non guided, what partitions do i need? I'd like to do a separate /home if possible
[01:45] <fosco_> one for / and one for swap
[01:45] <fosco_> the rest is up to you
[01:52] <QPrime> eseven73: depending on the system hardware I usually do 12GB+ for '/' an extended partition with logical partitions for swap (2GB+) and home (the rest).  of course you can do anything you like however.
[01:54] <eseven73> ok ty, im attempting to do a separate /home for the first time, kind of sick of always having to redo all my email settings and what not every time i reinstall ubuntu
[01:55] <fosco_> backup is a good alternative :-)
[01:55] <bjsnider> eseven73, in fact that is how most linux distros are set up. fedora or suse for instance. i don't know why ubuntu isn't set up that way by default
[01:55] <eseven73> yeah i do that too but still nice to have a separate home
[01:56] <eseven73> yeah and Fedora uses ext4 by default now
[01:58] <bjsnider> since it's completely transparent to the user it makes no sense to have /home on the same partition as /. no sense at all.
[01:59] <bjsnider> you could have it on a separate physical drive and it would still be transparent.
[01:59] <sbeattie> IIRC, if you don't ask it to format /, ubiquity saves /home on a reinstall.
[01:59]  * sbeattie prefers a seperate /home anyway.
[02:00] <bjsnider> maybe they mount home with root because debian does it that way or something
[02:00] <QPrime> bjsnider: I think a single mount makes things easier for new users.  If you want to get 'fancy' with your partition structure then chances are you already know how to do it (or will learn).  I can understand why canonical when with the single partition.
[02:01] <QPrime> bjsnider: actually Debian follows a more traditional layout.
[02:01] <suffice> im tryin to install support to enter korean characters kubnutu.  In gnome its just scim and off you go.  so far ive had a tricky time doing this in kde.
[02:01] <bjsnider> i don't see how it's easier for new users
[02:02] <kindofabuzz> they'll learn =)
[02:02] <suffice> anyone had to install an asian language and got it to work in kde 4.2.1?
[02:03] <QPrime> bjsnider: fewer partitions to deal with  = fewer possibilities for user mistakes  it also makes it easier to setup ubuntu on a system with an existing partition structure.
[02:04] <eseven73> how do i create a /home partition on a newly formated hd? i see a million HOW to's about separate /home partitions assuming you had one to begin with from an old install or whatever
[02:04] <QPrime> eseven73:create the partition that you want to use as home then tell the installer to mount it as /home
[02:06] <eseven73> QPrime, ok and i just use like a live cd to tell fstab about /home?
[02:07] <QPrime> eseven73: if you are installing fresh the installer will handle fstab for you.
[02:07] <eseven73> orly?! nice
[02:08] <QPrime> eseven73: thats what you should expect... settle for nothing less ;)
[02:09] <bjsnider> QPrime, tell me where nautilus or anywhere else in gnome starts complaining about multiple partitions
[02:11] <QPrime> bjsnider: look, for most desktop systems it comes down to personal preference.  don't like it?  change it!  By the time you start asking about multiple partitions you should be well on your way to knowing how to do it 'manually' from an installer or retro fit a running system manually.  I fully understand why canonical went with a single partition so they could shoehorn ubuntu into an existing partition structure without much fus
[02:13] <afallenhope> are there specific modules I have to blacklist to get my webcam working?
[02:14] <afallenhope> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272328&page=5<-- followed that (my old tutorial) and still doesn't work
[02:14] <QPrime> QPrime: you try telling the end user why 'ubuntu killed their system' after rearranging 3 existing partitions (all with different possible filesystems on them) just to create the standard *nix partition layout.
[02:14] <QPrime> err... that was directed as bjsnider...
[02:14] <QPrime> ;)
[02:15] <eseven73> does the new partitioner automatically set boot flag? I didnt see a option for setting flags
[02:16] <QPrime> eseven73: grub does not need a partition boot flag to boot a native linux partition
[02:16] <eseven73> i knew that! :P
[02:16] <QPrime> eseven73: ok :)
[02:19] <QPrime> DanaG: welcome, fellow charter victim!
[02:20] <eseven73> I'll have to say if this works, it will be the first time since Ubuntu 7.04 that I've ever had a separate /home :D
[02:20] <QPrime> eseven73: yummy.
[02:20] <eseven73> hehe
[02:24]  * QPrime has trouble dealing with ~1400 people in #ubuntu and usually crawls into +1 and offtopic for relief?
[02:24] <QPrime> ?=!
[02:25] <mindframe> Are there any daily ISOs available?
[02:33] <bjsnider> QPrime, but linux doesn't rearrange partitions, it needs to start with a certain amount of unpartitioned space.
[02:37] <QPrime> bjsnider: you're right, linux doesn't re-arrange the partitions (the installer does - with various fs packages) and no... you don't need to start with free space.  most installers will happily resize a partition (or three) to create space on an existing drive.  I'm simply saying that you remove possible installation issues if you only have to create a single partition for 'joe-user' install his/her shiny new version of ubuntu.
[02:38] <tomaz> help
[02:38] <tomaz> just did an dist-upgrade, that installed the 180.44 nvidia driver
[02:38] <tomaz> now my video doesnt works.
[02:38] <bjsnider> tomaz, what card is this?
[02:39] <tomaz> nvidia 8400GS
[02:39] <bjsnider> that's the right driver
[02:39] <tomaz> bjsnider: the .37 version worked like a charm
[02:39] <bjsnider> .44 is better
[02:39] <tomaz> but with this one X doesn't starts and I need to use the low res mode.
[02:39] <tomaz> bjsnider: I'm sure that when it works, it's better.
[02:40] <bjsnider> then the driver isn't properly installed
[02:40] <tomaz> what can I do?
[02:40] <bjsnider> are you at a console?
[02:40] <suffice> to the lo res mode i just went to console then sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a and it worked
[02:40] <suffice> now things are smooth
[02:40] <tomaz> nope, graphical mode, 800x600 ( on a flat screen that holds 1600x1050 -.- )
[02:40] <billybigrigger> if im trying to remote assist a buddy's laptop, is there any native apps i can use with ubuntu? do i have to walk him through setting up a vnc?
[02:40] <tomaz> let me see
[02:40] <bjsnider> well can you open a console
[02:41] <suffice> hte options for 'use low res mode' aslo says log into console
[02:41] <QPrime> billybigrigger:  System->Preferences->Remote Desktop
[02:41] <tomaz> doing the dpkg-reconfigure -a
[02:41] <tomaz> this happened to you too suffice?
[02:42] <suffice> after my daily update yesterday yes it did
[02:42] <billybigrigger> QPrime, what port does that use? he's going to need to open it up on his router no?
[02:42] <tomaz> nice to know that I'm not the only one
[02:42] <suffice> it says to try something like dpk-reconigore -phigh or something..but i just went for the -a
[02:42] <ghindo> My bootchart directory is full of .tgz files - is this normal?
[02:43] <QPrime> billybigrigger: (its vnc) to make sure he port forwards tcp 5900 to his inside machine.
[02:43] <QPrime> to=so
[02:43] <billybigrigger> QPrime, k thanks
[02:43] <QPrime> billybigrigger: np
[02:43] <eseven73> ghindo, yes they are compressed archives of logs/images i think
[02:43] <ghindo> eseven73: Ah, okay thanks
[02:43] <eseven73> yep
[02:44] <eseven73> ghindo, in fact i think almost everything in /log eventually gets turned into a compressed file after X amount of days/weeks/months
[02:44] <eseven73> /var/log
[02:45] <nandemonai> Quick question.. is it possible to install kde fully without actually using the meta-package kubuntu-desktop?
[02:46] <bjsnider> of course it is
[02:47] <bjsnider> just install everything that metapackage pulls in
[02:47] <nandemonai> Main reason I ask is because I just want to install it without replacing the usplash and such.
[02:48] <nandemonai> Just want to poke around in the beta to check out any changes.
[02:48] <tomaz>   this -a will take more than one hour?
[02:49] <White_Pelican> how do I put the folder view on the desktop? it seems to have disappeared
[02:50] <DanaG> oh, somebody ping me?
[02:50] <DanaG> oh, never mind, I was misinterpreting colors, I think.\
[02:51] <White_Pelican> can someone answer my question?
[02:51] <White_Pelican> I am using kde 4.2.2 under jaunty
[02:52] <White_Pelican> I also noticed that when I try to "get new themes" I install them but they don't show up in the list
[02:54] <tomaz>  White_Pelican: have you tried to right click, add widgets, and drag the folder view from the list to the desktop?
[02:54] <White_Pelican> yes it won't let me
[02:54] <tomaz> strange
[02:54] <tomaz> can you ckeck if your desktop
[02:54] <tomaz> ( right click, properties )
[02:55] <tomaz> is of type 'desktop' or folderview?
[02:55] <White_Pelican> ok that worked
[02:55] <tomaz> u.u
[02:55] <tomaz> ;D
[02:57] <White_Pelican> now, what about the problem with adding splash screens?
[03:00] <eseven73> QPrime, got the separate /home and ext4 working, thanks a ton :D
[03:02] <tomaz> White_Pelican: I dont know about that one
[03:03] <White_Pelican> bummer
[03:04] <White_Pelican> prolly another bug they didn't fix
[03:04] <White_Pelican> admittedly, I don't think I filed a bug report
[03:05] <tomaz>  well, my splash screen works
[03:05] <tomaz> but I compiled kde from trunk
[03:05] <White_Pelican> so maybe it's jaunty?
[03:06] <tomaz> yes.
[03:06] <tomaz> just a moment,
[03:13] <BBHoss_> has anyone else had problems switching users
[03:17] <philsf> is it more apropriate for testers who will download a ISO now, to get a daily imge, or the beta and get the upgrades?
[03:17] <BBHoss_> i just upgraded from my 8.10 box
[03:17] <BBHoss_> and then you get the newest upgrades every day
[03:18] <philsf> BBHoss_: is your answer to me?
[03:18] <BBHoss_> yes
[03:18] <mindframe> philsf, daily image would be more convenient... where to get them though?
[03:19] <BBHoss_> why would that be more conveinient
[03:19] <BBHoss_> downloading ONLY the updated packages is faster and easier
[03:19] <akgraner> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[03:19] <philsf> BBHoss_: I'm assuming the tester (my case, really) will like to use the LiveCD/DVD instead of upgrading
[03:20] <BBHoss_> oh ok
[03:20] <philsf> hmm, no jigdo support for either beta or daily. is this on purpose?
[03:21] <syockit> do we have a working gnome-session manager in jaunty?
[03:23] <mindframe> aw damn no alternate dailys
[03:24] <dtchen> philsf: hmm? i see jigdo.
[03:24] <dtchen> (for beta at least)
[03:24] <philsf> dtchen: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/ ?
[03:25] <dtchen> and for /daily/current
[03:25] <philsf> dtchen: I must be missing something. isn't it supposed to show *.jigdo files?
[03:26] <dtchen> philsf: it does. you're looking at cdimage, which is ports. use releases.
[03:27] <dtchen> philsf: beta andRC use releases.u.c for the supported flavours and platforms, not cdimage.u.c
[03:27] <philsf> dtchen: got it, thanks!
[03:30] <philsf> so, I see some call for tests in the -devel list. Is there a centralized page (wiki?) that people can look to see what to look for? maybe some tag in LP?
[03:32] <dtchen> no, but that might be worth raising on the ubuntu-devel{,-discuss} list{,s}
[03:32] <dtchen> and/or in #ubuntu-bugs
[03:33] <White_Pelican> I have a problem in kde 4.2.2, but I was in the kde channel and it turns out to be distro related. I am using jaunty beta 1. where do I file a bug report?
[03:33] <syockit> launchpad all the way
[03:33] <syockit> if 4.2.2, then probably under +source
[03:34] <dtchen> White_Pelican: the same place as other kubuntu bugs
[03:34] <dtchen> (launchpad)
[03:34] <White_Pelican> oh ok
[03:34] <syockit> the problem is selecting the package name, because kde has lots of components
[03:34] <White_Pelican> will do
[03:34] <White_Pelican> can't fix it if they don't know there's a problem :)
[03:40] <White_Pelican> does kubuntu-restricted-extras tell firefox where javascript and flash is?
[03:40] <White_Pelican> or am I going to need symbolic links?
[03:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, a Sharp Zaurus is ARM-based; is that considered supported (as in, at the bare minimum, installable and bootable)?
[03:48] <White_Pelican> is there any way to get the "old" adept in kde 4?
[03:56] <BluesKaj> White_Pelican, restricted-extras and flashplugin-nonfree , should work ok on FF
[03:57] <White_Pelican> it does for flash, BluesKaj but a website that requires java does not
[03:57] <White_Pelican> and I installed restricted extras
[03:57] <White_Pelican> youtube, which requirs flash does work
[03:58] <White_Pelican> looks like I need to still create a symbolic link for java
[03:58] <kindofabuzz> turn off java =)
[03:58] <joshjtl> what would be a good way to decide on what ppa repo to use for packages not available elsewhere, but that are available in multiple ppa repos?
[03:59] <DanaG> look at versions and changelogs.
[04:00] <ajanus> im having issues with the ieee80211 module and crypto modules in jaunty, driver ipw2100
[04:01] <ajanus> by default, tkip modules wont load, tried installing backports modules as per a bug/thread, now i get :
[04:01] <joshjtl> DanaG: what if they are the same?
[04:01] <ajanus> root@mangle:~# modprobe ieee80211.............FATAL: Error inserting ieee80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko): Invalid module format
[04:02] <DanaG> Beats me.  Flip a coin?  Use both?
[04:02] <joshjtl> hehe ok
[04:03] <joshjtl> hey does anyone use preload or prelink in here?
[04:05] <dtchen> ajanus: odd. seems usable here.
[04:06] <White_Pelican> ok I created the symbolic link and it worked
[04:06] <ajanus> yeah as soon as i remove the backports deb it inserts fine
[04:07] <dtchen> ajanus: you're using linux-backports-modules-jaunty?
[04:07] <ajanus> dtchen, i can only connect to unsecured network, when i try to connect via WPA, it mangles my password
[04:07] <ajanus> yeah, i tried it due to another bug report
[04:08] <joshjtl> interesting no one uses prelink/preload ?
[04:13] <QPrime> eseven73: no problem.  enjoy, and spread the wealth :)
[04:19] <ajanus> no dice, i removed backports
[04:19] <ajanus> it will only load the ieee80211 and ieee80211_crypt modules
[04:19] <ajanus> not ieee80211_crypt_*
[04:19] <ajanus> if i modprobe them manually it doesnt seem to work
[04:20] <ajanus> output of lsmod shows ieee80211_crypt next to ieee80211_crypt_* when i insert them, and dmesg says ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'TKIP'
[04:21] <shade34321> dtchen.....i got my DVD playback to work( you were helping me with it earlier)
[04:21] <dtchen> what's the error?
[04:21] <dtchen> shad	good
[04:21] <dtchen> sigh, major nick-completion fail
[04:21] <shade34321> lol
[04:25] <ForgeAus> hey all... uh can't dofsck (or some kinda replacement for it) wait until after booting to scan/check a disk in the background?...
[04:26] <ForgeAus> people turn their computer on to use it, not to wait for a scan before they can log in...
[04:27] <ForgeAus> I realize dofsck likes a disk not to be mounted in order to work... which is problematic... anyhow I'm just annoyed that I have to wait some days before my PC lets me log in...
[04:36] <dlynch>  hi, this morning my jaunty install hard locked up without warning, and it no longer boots from the ext4 partition in which it was installed. This seems like a serious bug worth investigating, but to be frank, I don't know how to approach this the best way. Should I boot from the most recent live CD of jaunty and try to take a look at some log files or something?
[04:39] <QPrime> dlynch: ext4 has problems with HARD locks and loss of data due to the way it commits the journal and cache.  chances are you should not be running ext4 unless you are running a server in a stable environment
[04:41] <dlynch> QPrime: point noted. Is there potentially some useful information that could be gathered from the partition to aid in bug fixing?
[04:43] <QPrime> dlynch: possibly. if it was a totaly hard lock ther emay not be any info in the logs... worse yet. the logs *may* even be zerod out due to the ext4 issue.  I'd still boot a live cd and look, ther emay be something interesting there
[04:44] <dlynch> QPrime: should the first place I look be /var/log ? and is there someway I can do a journal recovery from the live CD environment?
[04:46] <QPrime> dlynch: no way that I know to recover that cached (and uncommitted data) possibly a way to recover some data from zeroed files with a block recovery tool.  if it gets to that point tho I'd just as well not do it.  try an ext3 install and see if you get another hard lock - that might point to another issue either with you hardware or with the beta distro.
[04:51] <QPrime> QPrime: lots of people (including me) were/are hoping that ext4 would be another evolution for desktop fs reliability like ext3 was.  but i think its really a more specialized fs.  you can make it work more like ext3 by changing commit times, etc, and still get some of the other advantages of ext4, but I'd wait for more community feedback on ext4 before i use it as a primary fs on a desktop.
[04:51] <QPrime> ooops... that was for dlynch
[04:52] <dlynch> QPrime: thanks... me too. I am very glad that it was only my / partition that is ext4, as that is easy enough to recover from. I'
[04:52] <dlynch> I'm very glad none of my critical data is there
[04:53] <QPrime> dlynch: i feel you on that score.
[04:57] <syockit> sometimes my gnome session fails to resume from sleep and starts back at login. where do I look for clues?
[05:02] <Riesh> so i compiled kde from svn and would like to test it out ... how to add it as option in KDM ? ... a desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions and in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/sessions/ does not give me an option to run KDE-devel
[05:03] <Riesh> anybody an idea ?
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> is openoffice recently broken or is this an old change
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> ctrl+{up,down} doesn't move the paragraph up and down anymore
[05:29] <[MindVirus]> I have an Intel 945GME and I don't have direct rendering. Any suggestions?
[05:32] <syockit> [MindVirus]: is this with default xorg.conf-less xorg?
[05:33] <[MindVirus]> No, I have an xorg.conf file.
[05:34] <syockit> unless there's a specific setting to disable it, xorg would still try to load direct rendering automatically. pastebin your xorg.conf
[05:34] <matrixblue> any experts on ext4 in here?
[05:35] <OldGuest> hello
[05:35] <[MindVirus]> syockit, http://pastebin.com/m799a0c23
[05:35] <syockit> matrixblue: cwillu was here hours ago, dunno if he's still here
[05:35] <OldGuest> after upgrading, flashplayer 9 stopped working. how to fix thanks
[05:36] <syockit> [MindVirus]: what if you start without xorg.conf, do you still get no direct rendering?
[05:36] <[MindVirus]> I'm almost sure that will be the case.
[05:36] <matrixblue> oh, basically I wanna know if using ext4 to do a full install on a flash drive is better than using ext2 or ext3
[05:36] <[MindVirus]> Can we save that for last?
[05:38] <syockit> oh, mine is a 945gm/gms . i always forgot the version number
[05:39] <syockit> [MindVirus]: what's output of ls -l /dev/dri ?
[05:40] <[MindVirus]> Hmm.
[05:40] <[MindVirus]> For some reason it's still 660.
[05:40] <[MindVirus]> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 226, 0 2009-04-02 16:49 card0
[05:40] <syockit> yup, that always happen. anyways, that shouldn't make direct rendering show up as no in glxinfo
[05:40] <syockit> so it might not be related
[05:41] <syockit> you can try chmod it, and see if it's still no or not
[05:41] <[MindVirus]> Here's the thing.
[05:41] <[MindVirus]> It says that it's rendering directly but it's not.
[05:41] <crdlb> Xorg troubleshooting failure!
[05:42] <crdlb> the first step is always to pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:42] <syockit> oh yeah, forgot that
[05:42] <[MindVirus]> I'll do that right quick.
[05:43] <OldGuest> is it just me or sound quality in jaunty improved ?
[05:43] <[MindVirus]> Thanks a lot, BTW, syockit.
[05:44] <syockit> mindframe: btw, have you installed libdrm for intel?
[05:44] <[MindVirus]> http://pastebin.com/m1cd5a722
[05:44] <[MindVirus]> Yes.
[05:44] <[MindVirus]> libdrm-intel1 or something like that.
[05:45] <crdlb> [MindVirus]: how have you determined that it's not "rendering directly"?
[05:45] <syockit> oh, i didn't know dri2 required uxa. maybe I can try that on my other pc
[05:45] <crdlb> there have been severe performance regressions in jaunty's intel driver
[05:45] <crdlb> which may or may not be improved by using UXA
[05:45] <[MindVirus]> In Intrepid with Compiz enabled, the frame rate wasn't 1950s cartoon.
[05:46] <[MindVirus]> Minimizing and maximizing windows looked *good*.
[05:46] <crdlb> ok, so that's got nothing to do with direct rendering
[05:46] <[MindVirus]> Playing StepMania in Intrepid didn't require 320x240.
[05:47] <crdlb> btw, compiz cannot run with the mesa software renderer, so if you have compiz at all, 3d acceleration is working
[05:47] <syockit> ah, that's actually a problem in the latest intel video. they're still working on it
[05:47] <[MindVirus]> I see.
[05:47] <[MindVirus]> Will it work for the release of Jaunty?
[05:47] <crdlb> let me get out my crystal ball
[05:47] <syockit> so it's bad on both exa and uxa?
[05:47] <crdlb> oh wait, those don't exist
[05:48] <[MindVirus]> You could also use your awesome powers of reason and inference.
[05:48] <crdlb> hopefully, the ubuntu X people can come up with a simple workaround for this
[05:48] <[MindVirus]> :)
[05:48] <[MindVirus]> Thanks by the way.
[05:48] <syockit> i don't like betting, but I think it won't make it. they are probably going to disable gem
[05:48] <[MindVirus]> What is this GEM BTW?
[05:49] <crdlb> well, would disabling gem fix it?
[05:49] <crdlb> if so, that seems like a reasonable solution :>
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> Can I disable GEM now?
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> I already don't like it.
[05:49] <crdlb> it's part of the kernel
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> :'(
[05:49] <syockit> [MindVirus]: you have to install the gem-removed kernel
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> I'm running an Eeepc.
[05:49] <syockit> search in launchpad for it
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> I don't think they have that.
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> But I will check.
[05:50] <syockit> i just came across it in some of the eeepc related bugs yesterday
[05:53] <syockit> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314 this one has something called andy's deb, dunno what it fixes, but someone from other bug report claims to have some problems fixed
[05:56] <amon__> whats wrong with the intel driver, for me it runs quite well, i just watched a hd 720p movie with compiz enabled and everything was smooth
[05:56] <syockit> btw this is the main bug thread https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/303011
[05:57] <syockit> amon__: yes, for some people like you and me, they happen to have the hardware that works. sadly, the driver still doesn't work equally correctly on all 'supported' hardware
[05:58] <syockit> even though some have similar naming (945GME and 945GMS)
[05:58] <amon__> i am just wondering, because in the main bug thread they talk about an intel gma 945, thats exactly what i have
[05:58] <amon__> a ok
[05:59] <amon__> its an intel gml 950 with the problems
[05:59] <OldGuest> hey i got a crash report about python minimal install
[06:03] <DanaG> hah, I'm stuck with a choice between using this butt-fugly version of some vhdl tools... or having to use an evaluation version for 10 days SHORTER than the course I need it for... or having to use the old version in -- oh wait, it doesn't work in Vista.
[06:03] <DanaG> If you thought Wine apps were ugly... check out that screenshot.
[06:04] <[MindVirus]> DanaG, which screenshot?
[06:04] <DanaG> wer
[06:04] <DanaG> thought I linked it.
[06:04] <DanaG> http://www.flickr.com/photos/forrestbao/516259645/sizes/o/
[06:07] <frybye> Morning: how do I switch to the neat GUI <with thumbnails of films etc.-> in Vuze in Jaunty??
[06:09] <DanaG> !info xcs3prog
[06:10] <DanaG> !info xc3sprog
[06:10] <DanaG> dang.
[06:10] <OldGuest_> hello
[06:10] <OldGuest_> when i select restart system, it logs me off to login screen. is this new jaunty restart feature ?
[06:12] <[MindVirus]> "Feature".
[06:12] <amon__> not a bug at all
[06:13] <OldGuest_> fast restart ?
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> awesome
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> I have restored proper performance in Jaunty :D
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> now my apps don't horribly lag anymore :D
[06:17] <OldGuest_> yeah
[06:17] <OldGuest_> jaunty is fast
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> OldGuest_: yeah, except for the fact that if there's anything trying to happen all the apps freeze and any app that touches the disk struggles to get any work done ever.
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> openoffice.org was completely unusable
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> I disabled tracker and still could barely move along
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> right now tracker's molesting my disk and I have e-mail downloading and everything's fine though
[06:18] <OldGuest_> lol
[06:18] <OldGuest_> well
[06:18]  * bluefoxicy cheated.  He put 'elevator=as' on the kernel command line.  Apparently somebody royally fucked up CFQ >:O
[06:20] <OldGuest_> my experience is, every new release plays well atleast for 3 days, then loads of ups n downs till the dist get stable.
[06:24] <OldGuest_> heh, system test crashed on launch :)
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> while we're at it, firefox always asks me if I want to save my tabs when I close it
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> I say yes, and it loads up an empty tab on next start
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> ???
[06:27] <OldGuest_> bluefoxicy: i didn't get save option
[06:27] <OldGuest_> bluefoxicy: only two options, close tabs and cancel
[06:32] <syockit> how do i lock session when suspending?
[06:42] <frybye> hi - when using the azureus vuze gui - it tells me I need to d-load the flash plugin - but I already have the adobe 64bit native flash - what to do?
[06:46] <coz_> frybye,  not sure but you may want to ask in #azureus
[06:49] <QPrime> frybye: consider using Deluge
[06:50] <frybye> coz - that is where I first went..  what is Deluge all about?
[06:51] <frybye> I c now - it is a completly different torrent client- not the point pal - I am interested in the specifics of the vuze application that are not avail with other torrent clients...
[06:52] <DanaG> I like the things such as auto-speed in vuze.
[06:52] <QPrime> frybye: minimalist (but very nice) bt client.  supports try application client/server  model so you can run a headless server on a spare machine without having to dedicate your desktop pc
[06:52] <QPrime> try=true
[06:52] <QPrime> and its not bloatware! ;)
[06:53] <frybye> QPrime: just this time it is the -bloat- in vuze that I find cool - in generaly of course slim software is good - but in the case of vuze I make an exception to this conviction...
[06:53] <QPrime> frybye: *grin* as you wish.
[06:54] <frybye> one can just ignore the lack of flash and there is still a fair bit of function in the GUI - just a bit annoying that the f-thing works in the environ. from the evil empire and not in ubuntu with this feature up to now - for me at least...
[06:54] <QPrime> frybye: but if you have a chance check out Deluge. it really is a cool little bt client.  lets me run torrents 24/7 dedicated, on a low powered spare debian box.
[06:55] <frybye> ok - I will note your tip - perhaps some other kind soul can tell me how to teach vuze that flash is available already???
[06:56] <frybye> I suspect that it is just a matter of changing a "0" for a "1" in the right config file - but which - where etc...?
[07:06] <dupondje> Hellow, is there a way to run VirtualBox full screen on like 'Window2'
[07:07] <dupondje> and linux desktop on window1 ?
[07:24] <siriusnova> i like the new jaunty themes
[07:24] <siriusnova> they are pretty win
[07:34] <Jordan_U> Yay! Redirected Direct Rendering for intel works in Jaunty!
[07:37] <jhass840> Does anyone else get white noise when hovering over music files?
[07:38] <siriusnova> nope
[07:38] <siriusnova> actually
[07:38] <siriusnova> lemme check
[07:38] <siriusnova> nope
[07:38] <jhass840> I doesn't happen all the time, just sometimes
[07:38] <siriusnova> works fine here with mp3s
[07:39] <siriusnova> i like the new notifications and themes
[07:39] <siriusnova> they are pretty slick
[07:39] <siriusnova> ^_^
[07:40] <jhass840> yeah, that's awesome.  Now I don't have to worry about missing anyone's IM
[07:40] <jhass840> It also makes it easier to stalk AIM buddies
[07:40] <siriusnova> lol
[07:41] <jhass840> I want the Pidgin notification one to go away now.  All it does is confuse me
[07:42] <jhass840> I'm going to run all the system tests again, see if anything comes up
[07:45] <siriusnova> hmm k
[07:46] <jhass840> hah!  The problem came up in the sound test
[07:47] <jhass840> not that it's a good thing, but at least now nobody can say I'm crazy
[07:47] <Amaranth> hrm, python broken again
[07:47] <frybye> re: I am trying to move a script (libflashplayer.so) into /usr/lib64/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/plugins but it tells me (in the gui) that i dont have the permissions - how to fix??
[07:48] <frybye> sorry - this is very basic linux stuff but my memory is fried sometimes...
[07:49] <frybye> QPrime: give me a hand with this perhaps???
[07:49] <jhass840> frybye: In a terminal type: chmod 777 <file name>
[07:49] <frybye> ok thanks...
[07:50] <topyli> changing the file's permissions won't help you copy it there
[07:50] <jhass840> frybye: however, don't get into the habit of using 777 with chmod.  Try man chmod to learn more about it
[07:50] <dlynch> I have installed the the latest beta from the CD, but for some reason it didn't install grub, and I'm having trouble getting it installed
[07:51] <frybye> ok - i get the point - but if i change the permissons with chmod then I can use the gui to shift it there right or..
[07:51] <dlynch> I ran grub-install, but there is no menu.lst
[07:51] <Cezar>  since i installed jaunty, amsn wont connect, can u help ?
[07:51] <frybye> do i need to do a gksudo <name of the file manager in jauty?>
[07:52] <topyli> frybye: for example. faster perhaps if you just copy it in the terminal and use sudo
[07:52] <dlynch> is there some kind of command I can run to generate the menu.lst and whatever else needs to go in the /boot/grub directory?
[07:52] <Cezar> yes reinstall kernel
[07:52] <frybye> so it is cp filename /destination right - after doing the chmod?
[07:53] <Cezar> any help with amsn ?
[07:56] <eagles0513875> does anyone know whats gonna be used instead of knetwork manager in jaunty. i got an email saying that it was goign to be removed
[07:57] <Jordan_U> dlynch, sudo update-grub
[07:57] <Cezar> any help with amsn ?
[07:57] <eagles0513875> !patience | Cezar
[07:57] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, DId you get that email yesterday?
[07:57] <eagles0513875> !ask | Cezar
[07:58] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: ya it was sitting in my inbox this morning
[07:58] <eagles0513875> let me find out what time it was sent
[07:58] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Look at the date ;)
[07:58] <eagles0513875> 405am lol
[07:58] <Cezar> it wont connect anymore (sorry)
[07:58] <eagles0513875> Cezar: try using kopete instead you can still connect to msn that way
[07:59] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: i got it at 4am this am
[07:59] <joetheodd> Is there a way to start downloading the packages I'll need to upgrade to Jaunty, and then do daily upgrades until release?
[07:59] <Cezar> yes but it doesnt work well with cams , and i love gnome ;)
[07:59] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Well it's BS
[08:00] <eagles0513875> joetheodd: ya check out on kubuntu.org and click on the jaunty beta link there is another link that will take you to instructions on how to update over the internet to jaunty
[08:00] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: i dont think it is tbh knetworkmanager is rather buggy when it comes to static ips
[08:00] <joetheodd> eagles0513875, I know how to switch apt sources etc, but I don't want to upgrade yet. Just download the debs
[08:00] <eagles0513875> joetheodd: then i dont know
[08:00] <eagles0513875> sry
[08:00] <joetheodd> np.
[08:00] <topyli> Cezar: like the #gaim channel's topic used to say, "when having problems with msn, assume the server to be at fault"
[08:01] <Cezar> yes but kopete, emesene connnect ...
[08:01] <joetheodd> Or, "When using Microsoft services with a Linux program, blame Microsoft for issues, cause Linux is g0d, 4m3n."
[08:01] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, If there were any plans to replace network-manager it would have been announced and implemented long before the beta, and I don't think network-manager is going anywhere soon even after jaunty
[08:01] <eagles0513875> what do you mean Cezar
[08:01] <Cezar> maybe tk/tcl is broken
[08:02] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: who knows lol
[08:02] <Cezar> kopete connects fine
[08:02] <Cezar> but not amsn anymore
[08:02] <topyli> Cezar: in that case, amsn probably hasn't updated to the latest server-side quirks but the others have
[08:02] <Cezar> ok
[08:02] <joetheodd> For what it's worth, I'm connected to MSN fine on pidgin 2.5.2 (intrepid)
[08:03] <Cezar> yes but i need the cam ... thnx anyway
[08:03] <topyli> Cezar: use SIP :)
[08:03] <joetheodd> Well, night guys. /afk
[08:12] <sebsebseb>
[08:24] <jhass840> So is it a design feature that sliders no longer have the orange highlight, or is that a bug?
[08:24] <jhass840> This would be a gnome bug if it were one
[08:26] <HTorque> hello guys! the package pybootchartgui has two (imo important) fixes committed upstream but they haven't yet been released for jaunty. can i do something to make sure they will find their way in?
[08:29] <topyli> HTorque: file a bug, request it
[08:29] <siriusnova> does the java6 in jaunty have a 64bit java plugin?
[08:29] <siriusnova> for the browser?
[08:30] <HTorque> topyli: those fixes are actually reported at launchpad and marked "fix committed"
[08:30] <sebsebseb> frogonwheels: hi
[08:31] <frogonwheels> hi
[08:31] <sebsebseb> yeah so  either my KDE 4.2 is messed up
[08:31] <sebsebseb> or it's meant to be like that
[08:31] <sebsebseb> no panels
[08:31] <sebsebseb> top right,  get some options
[08:31] <sebsebseb> I don't really care enough about KDE 4  to try and fix it yet :d
[08:31] <sebsebseb> the KDE apps I use work in Gnome nicely still anwyay
[08:31] <frogonwheels> I've got panels
[08:31] <sebsebseb> it completly messed up for me it seems
[08:32] <frogonwheels> they're looking quite nice now .
[08:32] <sebsebseb> after I upgraded from  8.10 to alpha6
[08:32] <sebsebseb> and then to the beta, which made no difference
[08:32] <jhass840> siriusnova: aparently not, but see here http://derickrethans.nl/firefox_and_64_bit_java_plugin.php
[08:32] <sebsebseb> hwoever I did have the 8.10  ppa for KDE 4.2
[08:32] <frogonwheels> I'm using 8.10 + 4.2 beta
[08:32] <sebsebseb> yeah I used to do that
[08:32] <sebsebseb> then things got messed up when I upgraded to 9.04 alpha6
[08:32] <frogonwheels> ah. Think I'll hold off on the alpha
[08:32] <sebsebseb> it's beta now
[08:33] <sebsebseb> ,but I started with alpha6
[08:33] <frogonwheels> still. holding off :)
[08:33] <sebsebseb> ah well I have to clean install for proper Ext4 suppourt anyway
[08:33] <sebsebseb> I am waiting for when the time is right, there has been dataloss issues and such with Ext4
[08:33] <sebsebseb> so beta on 9.04  on Ext3
[08:33] <sebsebseb> then clean install when time is right, put the final on, on Ext4,  waiting for good Ext4 reviews
[08:33] <frogonwheels> I tried reiser4 for a while.
[08:33] <sebsebseb> murderfs :d
[08:34] <frogonwheels> :)
[08:34] <frogonwheels> unstable.
[08:34] <sebsebseb> these channels are so dead in the morning
[08:34] <sebsebseb> it's kind of beautiful
[08:34] <sebsebseb> time zones :D
[08:34] <frogonwheels> I really should be working. still mid-afternoon.
[08:34] <sebsebseb> where are you from?
[08:35] <frogonwheels> oz
[08:36] <sebsebseb> ah ockj
[08:36] <sebsebseb> well  9.04  and  Ext4
[08:36] <sebsebseb> when that's more stable that should be great
[08:36] <frogonwheels> I've not been following the ext4 thing
[08:38] <sebsebseb> then  this  being forced to use fusa thing in Gnome, unless... thing
[08:38] <sebsebseb> ,but by  the sounds of it you use KDE anyway
[08:38] <sebsebseb> by the way KDE 3 was nice, you could virtual machine 8.04 for it
[08:38] <sebsebseb> shame KDE 3 is dead/dieing :(
[08:38] <frogonwheels> Yeah - maybe.  kde4 is a pretty thick layer..
[08:39] <HTorque> i agree but maintaining both is just not reasonable
[08:39] <frogonwheels> still - I actually quite like good UIs with a good cli - so happy with 4 .. well 4.2 more so than 4.`1
[08:39] <frogonwheels> .. now that the taskmanger is sane.
[08:40] <HTorque> just hope we won't see KDE5 when KDE4 becomes usable :P
[08:41] <frogonwheels> of course we will :)
[08:41] <sebsebseb> when I tried  4.2  ppa in 8.10
[08:41] <sebsebseb> breifly
[08:41] <sebsebseb> I didn't even notice a difference from 4.`
[08:41] <sebsebseb> 4.1
[08:41] <sebsebseb> ,but not  like I gave it a proper try
[08:42] <frogonwheels> I noticed.  The kicker um.. panel is much  nicer
[08:42] <o0Chris0o> !enter | sebsebseb
[08:43] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: right yeah
[08:56] <jhass840> Has anyone tried the new graphics enhancement yet?
[09:00] <Jordan_U> jhass840, Which?
[09:02] <jhass840> Jordan_U: UXA or something like that
[09:02] <methril|work> it's possible that jaunty never boots again?
[09:03] <Jordan_U> jhass840, Using it right now, redirected direct rendering rocks :)
[09:03] <methril|work> help to solve the problem. At the beginning i guess it was only X's, but now, the ethernet is not working
[09:03] <methril|work> i try to start at runlevel 3 passing 3 as boot argument, but doesn't help
[09:03] <methril|work> and the machine never responses to ping
[09:04] <jhass840> Jordan_U: What is its effect on Wine?
[09:04] <methril|work> if i start the system in "recovery mode" i could acces the disk, and i could modify the network itnerfaces.
[09:04] <Jordan_U> jhass840, Don't use wine so I don't know, it's supposedly unstable so running graphics heavy games might cause crashes
[09:04] <methril|work> butn then the tty's never responses
[09:06] <jhass840> Jordan_U: I might try it this afternoon, see if it's possible that it fixes some games that don't work in wine currently.  It's doubtful, but just maybe
[09:06] <methril|work> looks like some service (or the Xs) give the system to a unusable state
[09:08] <methril|work> ok, forget it, ii put another ip addr :$
[09:08] <_StelaNinja_> Hi!
[09:08] <_StelaNinja_> Anyone who can tell me how to change the preferences for the new notifications??
[09:10] <jhass840> _StelaNinja_: of the graphics?
[09:11] <_StelaNinja_> Is there a gui?
[09:11] <jhass840> _StelaNinja_: if that's the case then run "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and adding Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" to the Device section of your xorg.conf
[09:14] <_StelaNinja_> Shall i change Option "NoLogo" "True" or add?
[09:15] <syockit> i don't understand how this conversation managed to continue as if it was related...
[09:15] <methril|work> someone expert in graphics could take a look on this? http://pastebin.com/m21463627
[09:16] <syockit> wow, never seen that assertion before... but i do not use ati
[09:17] <_StelaNinja_> "You can now use a menu to set up preferences for notification icons and where they should pop up." it says on all sites talking about the new features of Jaunty..
[09:18] <mnemo> methril|work: do you have a consistent way of reproducing that crash??
[09:18] <methril|work> mnemo: yes, allways
[09:18] <methril|work> when i start x
[09:18] <methril|work> wait a second. I'm going to pastebin my xorg.conf
[09:18] <mnemo> methril|work: any error printed in "dmesg" after the crash?
[09:19] <methril|work> no one
[09:19] <mnemo> methril|work: please join #ubuntu-x channel and explain you bug there
[09:19] <methril|work> ok
[09:19] <methril|work> thank you mnemo
[09:22] <syockit> _StelaNinja_: hmm, i thought notification-properties would work, but it still pops up at top right no matter what I chose
[09:22] <_StelaNinja_> Yes, same here.. But I also thought I could tweak more things..
[09:25] <syockit> maybe it's still a wip
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:36] <Jordan_U> syockit, notification-properties isn't even included by default now, I wonder if they just plan to play it off like non-configurable was the plan from the start ( to go with the non interactive of course :)
[09:36] <syockit> gnome style?
[09:42] <sebsebseb> happydaisy: ok hi
[09:42] <sebsebseb> happydaisy: a half upgrade?  so you can log in?
[09:45] <happydaisy> nono
[09:45] <happydaisy> The system works fine
[09:45] <happydaisy> Still Intrepid
[09:46] <sebsebseb> ok just
[09:46] <happydaisy> I was forced to cancel while downloading the Jaunty packages
[09:46] <sebsebseb> run the upgrade procedure again though
[09:46] <sebsebseb> however
[09:46] <sebsebseb> the beta of 9.04 well
[09:46] <sebsebseb> there will be bugs and such
[09:47] <sebsebseb> ,but if you know what you might be getting yourself into, then ok upgrade
[09:47] <happydaisy> I've heard that Jaunty is quite a step up performance wise from Intrepid
[09:47] <sebsebseb> nah
[09:47] <sebsebseb> well
[09:47] <happydaisy> since it is my work computer, I figured, why not =P
[09:47] <sebsebseb> if  you do Ext4 I suppouse so, but that has a dataloss issue etc
[09:47] <sebsebseb> work computer then wait for final
[09:47] <happydaisy> Nah, they love me breaking their machines all the time
[09:47] <sebsebseb> you don't want a unstable system for work
[09:48] <happydaisy> It does give me something to do during the dull moments though
[09:48] <Jordan_U> sebsebseb, The big data loss issue has been fixed ( not sure I like the way it was fixed but that's another story... )
[09:48] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: fixed enough for a clean install of 9.04 final  to be done with Ext4, and then use that partition for well untill Ext5?
[09:49] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: or untill the PC dies
[09:49] <happydaisy> It was fixed by creating workarounds to handle applications that aren't written very well right?
[09:49] <sebsebseb> happydaisy: your a woman aren't you?  the name  says you might be
[09:49] <Jordan_U> sebsebseb, I'd think so
[09:50] <happydaisy> nope, just comfortable with myself
[09:50] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: I  upgraded 8.10 to  9.04 alpha6,  then to beta.  and well  KDE4 is still weird, but I don't care enough to fix.  no  log in sound on the beta.    so  I think  upgrades borked.
[09:50] <aya_> is the jaunty release will delaY?
[09:50] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: and I think wait untill final before clean installing and putting Ext4
[09:51] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: ,but I want a file system that is nice and stable,  because I want to then just keep on upgrading  Ubuntu  with that partition
[09:52] <Jordan_U> sebsebseb, I think it is a very safe bet that something other than ext4 will be the cause of any data loss / upgrade problems :)
[09:53] <popey> sebsebseb: i asked in #ubuntu because you said - in #ubuntu - that ext4 has issues
[09:53] <popey> i wondered what issues you'd seen
[09:53] <sebsebseb> popey: only read
[09:53] <sebsebseb> popey: not  tried myself
[09:54] <popey> AIUI these aren't ext4 issues, but issues with the desktop environments
[09:54] <popey> the same thing happens under xfs also, and nobody calls it "xfs data loss issue"
[09:54] <nhasian> popey, see thats what i said in #ubuntu
[09:54] <sebsebseb> yeah that's what I thought as well,  the desktop environments have been made for Ext3, not Ext4
[09:55] <sebsebseb> or the file system is bad, one or the other
[09:55] <nhasian> sebsebseb, well they just took shortcuts in the code that is coming back to bite them now hehe
[09:55] <popey> might want to get that story straight before giving advice in #ubuntu then :)
[09:56] <sebsebseb> I was thinking this earlier????   do  / as  Ext4.   do  home as  Ext4.   have a Ext3 data partition  that is used to backup some stuff, so if I got dataloss  on  Ext4's home oh well?   or have I misunderstood most of the stuff I read about  Ext4, hence that idea all of a sudden
[09:56] <nhasian> sebsebseb, if i'm not mistaken you should make your home directory ext3 and your data partition ext4
[09:56] <popey> its generally the home partition that would have the issue as that's where the .gnome and .kde folders would be
[09:57] <popey> nhasian: yup
[09:57] <sebsebseb> it's when stuff is about to be saved, but like powerloss,  the data goes?
[09:57] <sebsebseb> ok well my current home partition is Ext3 :d
[09:57] <nhasian> sebsebseb, right!  and gnome/kde are always saving lots of open files to the home directory.  thats where the problem lies
[09:57] <sebsebseb> sounds like I won't have to move loads of data around after all
[09:58] <sebsebseb> ok maybe I should start saying stuff like this in #ubuntu instead of saying that Ext4 is bad basically, because of some dataloss issue
[09:59] <popey> ext4 isnt bad in and of itself
[09:59] <nhasian> its never fun to have data loss.  but at least we know the cause and how to fix it
[09:59] <nhasian> or at least work around it for the time being
[09:59] <Mulder> i want to file a bug report but the problem is these crashes i'm having related to the video driver are so severe the system doesnt even get a chance to respond/log errors
[09:59] <sebsebseb> so small files on  Ext3 home well so what, I mean I woudn't  get some big speed improvement anwyay if it was on Ext4?
[10:00] <sebsebseb> it's the big files, that will want on Ext4?
[10:01] <nhasian> sebsebseb, i dont remember all the benefits of EXT4 but i remember two that caught my attention
[10:01] <sebsebseb> is that correct?
[10:01] <nhasian> sebsebseb, faster with big files (which i use multigigabyte mkv files) and faster chkdsk
[10:02] <sebsebseb> nhasian: right so small files, no difference from Ext3?
[10:02] <nhasian> sebsebseb, not for data read/write but for filesystem check it still would be faster
[10:03] <sebsebseb> nhasian: well it's only every 23 boots or so that it wants to check my file systems anyway
[10:04] <nhasian> <-- my cat is snoring
[10:04] <slytherin> anyone running jaunty on non-i386 machine?
[10:07] <sebsebseb> nhasian: small Ext3 home,  big  Ext4  data partition,  16GB or so for / also in Ext4.  yeah that set up makes sense, altough   / could be even smaller
[10:08] <nhasian> sebsebseb, yes that sounds good to me.  i dont know if you need a / more than 10GB though
[10:08] <sebsebseb> nhasian: and people that want Windows to be able to access their data as well,  can use the driver for Windows, on the seperate home partition.  I don't think  Windows should ever really have access to  /  or /home
[10:09] <sebsebseb> nhasian: uh the data partition I meant
[10:09] <sebsebseb> nhasian: don't want a windows virus say deleting the hidden .folders from home
[10:09] <nhasian> sebsebseb, i read that ext2ifs in windows allows it to read ext3 partitions.  i dont know if it will work with ext4
[10:09] <sebsebseb> nhasian: and people  aren't meant to store it all on a data partition anyway, for stuff they want to keep for ages
[10:10] <nhasian> sebsebseb, oh but i'm sure you can set ext2ifs to read-only so it cannot write to the ext3/4 volume
[10:10] <sebsebseb> nhasian: yeah I used this on Ext3  http://www.fs-driver.org I guess it would need to be updated for Ext4 suppourt
[10:10] <sebsebseb> nhasian: ,but that driver makes that file system be like Ext2
[10:10] <nhasian> ext3 is the same as ext2
[10:11] <nhasian> just with journaling
[10:11] <sebsebseb> yeah
[10:11] <nhasian> dont ask me what journaling means though hehe
[10:11] <sebsebseb> !journalling
[10:12] <sebsebseb> nhasian: maybe it's just, because of a borked upgrade, but 9.04 on Ext3 does not seem that  great for me so far.
[10:13] <nhasian> sebsebseb, you mean ext4?
[10:13] <sebsebseb> nhasian: no  I upgraded from  8.10  to alpha6, to the beta. so  yeah running Ext3.   I will clean install the final
[10:13] <sebsebseb> nhasian: and then do Ext4
[10:14] <nhasian> sebsebseb, good idea :)
[10:14] <sebsebseb> nhasian: your on Ext4 or 3?
[10:14] <nhasian> dang when you stay up till 2am you get hungry again
[10:14] <sebsebseb> nhasian: indeed
[10:15] <sebsebseb> nhasian: I kept on staying up all night for ages, but then this week 3 of those nights, I  hae slept at night, bed about midnight. heh
[10:15] <nhasian> sebsebseb, actually i'm still only using ubuntu 8.10.  i'll do a fresh install after 9.04 is released
[10:15] <sebsebseb> nhasian: so  yeah here I am at 10:15am awake,  instead of  sleeping or trying to get to sleep at an odd time
[10:15] <nhasian> sebsebseb, same filesystem as you /home ext3, and root & /data ext4
[10:16] <sebsebseb> nhasian: yep
[10:16] <nhasian> sebsebseb, its only 10am in the UK?
[10:16] <sebsebseb> nhasian: can make a rather tiny home with that set up,  the .folders won't  take up that much space
[10:16] <sebsebseb> nhasian: yep we went forward the hour  last weekend for summer time
[10:17] <nhasian> sebsebseb, that always screws me up.  we dont change time in Arizona
[10:17] <nhasian> sebsebseb, where in the UK are you at?
[10:17] <sebsebseb> nhasian: yeah some of the USA does and other parts don't.   and Costa Rica don't etc
[10:17] <sebsebseb> nhasian: near Bristol
[10:18] <sebsebseb> nhasian: I think it's nice when USA  and Canada are an hour less behind
[10:18] <nhasian> i'd like to visit the UK sometime.  i went through heathrow airport once, it was a nightmare.  so many queues to stand in...
[10:19] <sebsebseb> nhasian:  #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 are so quite at this time
[10:19] <sebsebseb> nhasian: heh
[10:19] <nhasian> course if you tell am american about standing in a queue they wont know what the hell your talking about
[10:19] <sebsebseb> nhasian: yeah same for us once,  on the way to Tenerife
[10:20] <sebsebseb> nhasian: it was really bad weather very foggy,   4 hours  or so queieing
[10:20] <sebsebseb> nhasian: well  not quite true, without a fastpass in Florida and quee
[10:20] <nhasian> sebsebseb, i think it would be cool to visit someplace south of the equator.  where summer & winter are reversed
[10:20] <sebsebseb> nhasian: at the theme park.   my first time to USA last year Florida :D  last August
[10:21] <sebsebseb> nhasian: yeah you mean Aussieland and New Zeland
[10:21] <nhasian> nice.  i went to disney world when i was very young.  i dont remember anything except for that dumbo ride for kids hehe
[10:21] <sebsebseb> nhasian: I guess we are off topic now :D, but that no one really cares in here,  espesailly now when it would otherwise be  dead
[10:21] <nhasian> or south america where my US dollars go a long way
[10:22] <sebsebseb> nhasian: how old are you?  the £  used to go a long way all over the place, but not so much anymore
[10:22] <nhasian> 32 now but i tell all the ladies i'm 27
[10:23] <sebsebseb> nhasian: Disney Land Paris when young,  Orlando when older
[10:23] <sebsebseb> nhasian: lier :d
[10:24] <nhasian> sebsebseb, for some reason 20 year old girls wont give you the time of day if you tell them your over 30, but if your 27 then its go time
[10:24] <nhasian> haha
[10:24] <sebsebseb> nhasian: oh ok
[10:24] <nhasian> maybe its different in Bristol
[10:25] <o0Chris0o> !ot | nhasian and sebsebseb
[10:25] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: yeah, but this is #ubuntu+1  not #ubuntu  :D  plus  I  was about to PM him anyway
[10:26] <o0Chris0o> sorry guys, but this is a lil bit too much off topic
[10:26] <o0Chris0o> sebsebseb→ you should of done that awhile ago :)
[10:26] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: yep it's off topic :D
[10:26] <rconan> that's kinda a bug in ubottu... it should use the relevant channel name for !ot
[10:26] <nhasian> i didnt think anyone else was awake :)  i was just about to go to bed anyhow
[10:26] <o0Chris0o> I know its dead, but its the channel rules, incase someone does need help, it will be confusing to them
[10:27] <o0Chris0o> rconan→ yeah :(
[10:27] <nhasian> thanks for the heads up
[10:27] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: sure, but then we would probably stop anyway
[10:27] <o0Chris0o> sebsebseb→ indeed, but be best to just PM :)
[10:28] <o0Chris0o> or join #ubuntu-offtopic, we discuss a lot of things there
[10:28] <o0Chris0o> nhasian→ np :)
[10:33] <rconan> there... 354390
[10:33] <rconan> oh... needs a #? #354390
[10:33] <sebsebseb> o0Chris0o: I am there again now!
[10:34] <rconan> hmm... what triggers ubottu to parse a number as a bug number?
[10:34] <rconan> ah... bug 354390
[10:37] <o0Chris0o> !ot
[10:38] <o0Chris0o> thats what I mean
[10:38] <rconan> o0Chris0o: I just reported it :p
[10:39] <o0Chris0o> rconan→ cool, I am talking in #ubuntu-ops too :)
[10:39] <rconan> ah...
[10:42] <elky> mind you even #ubuntu-offtopic has standards -- and discussions about scoring tactics does not meet them
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> if i use partimage to create an image of a partition, does the destination partition i put the image onto need to be the same size as the original?
[10:43] <rconan> ActionParsnip: if it isn't I would imagine it has to be bigger
[10:43] <rconan> and it wont fill the partition... I would imagine the filesystem will remain the same size
[10:43] <rconan> but that is guessing...
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> rconan: ok, thanks. i'll have a play
[10:44] <slytherin> anyone running jaunty on non-i386 machine?
[10:44] <rconan> slytherin: if amd64 counts...
[10:44] <Do``> anyone experienced "noisy" playback in rhythmbox and vlc in jaunty?
[10:44] <slytherin> rconan: yes, it does. Is DVD playback working for you?
[10:45] <slytherin> Do``: I did, few days ago.
[10:45] <rconan> not tried... haven't got any *actual* DVDs to try with but I can try a DVD image
[10:45] <Do``> slytherin: did you find a solution,
[10:45] <Do``> ?
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> slytherin: yep, i am on AMD64 jaunty kubuntu
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> slytherin: not tried dvd playback yet
[10:45] <rconan> slytherin: what app are you using for playing DVDs?
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> slytherin: if you are here in 5 hours i'll let you know
[10:46] <slytherin> Do``: Nope. I didn't find time to look for solution. :-(
[10:46] <slytherin> ActionParsnip: I will be here.
[10:46] <slytherin> rconan: totem, vlc, mplayer
[10:46] <rconan> Do``: what format are you playing etc...
[10:46] <rconan> slytherin: ok then... anything
[10:46] <Do``> rconan: mp3, flac, ogg
[10:46] <Do``> rconan: everything has plays with a noise to it
[10:47] <rconan> slytherin: mine's probably a bad test case since I'd be using an image not a DVD and I have libdvdcss2 from medibuntu
[10:48] <slytherin> rconan: Do you have any real DVDs lying around, specifically ones with menu.
[10:48] <rconan> Do``: hmm...
[10:48] <Do``> rconan: correction, only flac has noise
[10:48] <rconan> slytherin: I'll go and hunt
[10:49] <rconan> slytherin: did you upgrade from intrepid? if so did dvd playback work in that?
[10:50] <rconan> if so... was it with the same DVD?
[10:51] <rconan> seems to work for me
[10:51] <slytherin> rconan: yes, it did in intrepid. I am actually looking for more responses on bug 342890 so that I can decide in what cases the playback is broken.
[10:51] <slytherin> rconan: using which player?
[10:51] <rconan> vlc
[10:51] <Wortman> ew
[10:52] <box> hey, i can't upgrade to 9.04 with upgrade-manager -d, it doesn't recognize that a dist upgrade is available. i did try to upgrade last night and it was working but i cancelled while it was downloading packages (hadn't started installing yet). Now it doesn't work. what can i try?
[10:52] <Wortman> I think new wave should be the default theme upon release it is just so beautifully done
[10:52] <slytherin> rconan: and what version of libdvdread?
[10:52] <Jordan_U> box, Can you pastebin your sources.list?
[10:52] <rconan> 4.1.3-4ubuntu1
[10:53] <rconan> will vlc be using libdvdcss2?
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> box: sudo apt-get clean; sudo update-manager -d
[10:53] <box> sec
[10:53] <Wortman> human is just so... brown and I am sick of it honestly a new theme would be awesome this is the most amazing release of ubuntu to date
[10:54] <Jordan_U> ActionParsnip, box Don't run update-manager with sudo
[10:54] <slytherin> rconan: yes, it does
[10:54] <rconan> Wortman: i like the ubuntustudio theme
[10:54] <Wortman> how come audio doesnt work in virtualbox? yeah same here the US theme rocks which is why new wave should be default at the very least
[10:54] <rconan> slytherin: that might be the difference between mine and yours then if I'm using the one from medibuntu
[10:55] <box> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/m6f5bd079
[10:56] <slytherin> rconan: no, that is not the difference. The problem is that libdvdread4 itself is broken for some DVDs
[10:56] <rconan> slytherin: sounds like you'll just have to wait for a fix
[10:56] <Wortman> dust is cool it just feels under done compared to new wave the only thing I dont like about new wave is the ugly bar at the bottom
[10:56] <Wortman> I think a mix between the two would be awesome
[10:57] <slytherin> rconan: I am the one trying to fix it. I have a solution in my PPA, but till now I have found only one other person facing same problem.
[10:57] <mvo> upgrade from intrepid->jaunty are currently disabled
[10:57] <rconan> they all have the horrible pale grey windows
[10:57] <Wortman> anyone else try running 9.04 in virtualbox? the sound doesnt seem to be working
[10:57] <mvo> because of bug #354228
[10:57] <rconan> slytherin: ah... it all makes sense now
[10:57] <slytherin> Wortman: aren't you complaining in wrong channel?
[10:58] <slytherin> Wortman: I mean regarding the theme.
[10:58] <Wortman> no because I am not complaining I am saying what I like and what I dont like in the BETA of Ubuntu
[10:58] <Wortman> complaining without merit would be wrong
[10:59] <Mulder> looks like exa support in ati driver will need to be disabled in 9.04 before release
[10:59] <Wortman> :( why mulder?
[10:59] <slytherin> Wortman: oh, I thought you wanted new wave theme to be default.
[10:59] <crdlb> Mulder: huh, why?
[10:59] <mvo> box: see above, currently the releae upgrades are disabled
[10:59] <Wortman> well, slytherin, I do want it default upon release
[11:00] <Mulder> my constant soft & hard crashed induced by the video driver are not something you want other users to experience
[11:00] <Wortman> I think a face lift will bring new proponents you know first impressions and all
[11:00] <box> mvo: above where?
[11:00] <crdlb> mvo: just let people upgrade, it's more fun that way :>
[11:00] <crdlb> Mulder: um, what GPU?
[11:00] <Mulder> theres a bug lodged upstream with the the driver developers, but it's still unresolved
[11:00] <Mulder> x300
[11:00] <mvo> box: disabled  because of bug #354228
[11:00] <crdlb> ok, they can just blacklist that model if it comes to that
[11:01] <box> mvo: oooo... where should i go to check later and see if release upgrades are reenabled?
[11:02] <mvo> box: yes please, it will probably take some hours though, new python needs to be build and tested
[11:02] <box> k
[11:02] <box> thanks
[11:03]  * crdlb wonders if there are any ops around
[11:03] <crdlb> would be nice to have that in the topic
[11:03] <mvo> crdlb++
[11:05] <Wortman> is the audio working in virtualbox for anyone else because it simply doesnt work here?
[11:05] <box> that would probably be a good idea
[11:07] <Mulder> it's not just r300. other people are reporting problems with other models too (6 page thread on phoronix about it )
[11:07] <Wortman> may I make a suggestion? a "run as administrator" or "run as root" from the interface honestly having to drop to command prompt to simply install some scripts is getting old
[11:08] <eagles0513875> Wortman: for suggestions submit them to launchpad.net
[11:08] <crdlb> Mulder: only 6? that's nothing :)
[11:09] <cwillu_clone> Wortman, there's always alt-f2, gksudo <command>, but ya :p
[11:09] <Wortman> ok done
[11:09] <PrebenR> when I run acpi_listen and press the sleep button on my Eee 1000H then it works. if I don't run acpi_listen the sleep fails and leaves the machined locked so I have to keep power down until it shuts down
[11:09] <Ghabit> Hello. where I can find minimal cd of jaunty?
[11:09] <Mulder> crdlb, relatively small thread compared to other issues maybe, but still not nothing.
[11:09] <PrebenR> is there some acpi program I need to start as user or through rc?
[11:09] <Wortman> it is annoying to run a .run script to have it come up saying "needs root privelages" but there is no clickable button to do so
[11:09] <slytherin> ChanServ: theer is no such CD afaik
[11:10] <slytherin> Wortman: complain with the person who wrote the script
[11:10] <crdlb> Wortman: well, don't use .run scripts :>
[11:10] <box> the amd64 release is compatible with intel64 right?
[11:10] <crdlb> box: yes
[11:10] <box> thx
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: sudo <scriptname>
[11:11] <Wortman> cant have too many like unreal tournament 2004, drivers, stuff to simplify tasks and some need root privelages
[11:11] <Wortman> right but laziness here and just a little annoyance across all distros I have
[11:11] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: he wants a root acount
[11:11] <Ghabit> Guys, help me - I am searching some way to install jaunty from a local mirror, advise me please.
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: its rare you will use sudo once your system is configured
[11:11] <Wortman> no I want a button saying run as root then ask for my password
[11:11] <ikonia> !upgrade > Ghabit
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: he's not getting it off me
[11:12] <eagles0513875> Wortman: if you want a root console type sudo -s and ur pass then u dont need to type sudo all the type
[11:12] <Wortman> oh my lawd
[11:12] <crdlb> any time you need to use a .run file, the distro failed :)
[11:12] <Wortman> no kidding
[11:12] <ikonia> Wortman: thats a simple script to write - if you can't write it, I'd strongly suggest you not use root
[11:12] <Ghabit> ikonia: There is no way to make network install of jaunty without upgrading?
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: you can run    gksudo or kdesudo   which will ask for a command to run as root
[11:12] <crdlb> except maybe for proprietary software, but there should be a better system for that
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: sudo -i is advised
[11:12] <ikonia> Ghabit: yes, and no,
[11:12] <Wortman> ok seriously nvm you all are over complicating it
[11:13] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: whats the difference between -s -i
[11:13] <Wortman> with -s you have to exit
[11:13] <Wortman> or logout
[11:13] <eagles0513875> -i interactive mode
[11:13] <Jordan_U> Ghabit, Looking for a minimal image now, here is a jigdo link which you can use to create an install CD from the mirror: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-beta-alternate-i386.jigdo
[11:13] <crdlb> ikonia: could you add a note to the topic that upgrades from itnrepid have been temporarily disabled due to a python problem?
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: -s uses the root profile  -i uses the user profile
[11:13] <ikonia> sure
[11:14] <eagles0513875> crdlb: O_O python problem
[11:14] <crdlb> bug 354258
[11:14] <crdlb> bah
[11:14] <slytherin> Wortman: install package nautilus-gksu, logout and login again. right click on the file and you should have the menu itm.
[11:14] <crdlb> bug 354228
[11:14] <eagles0513875> thanks for the heads up ActionParsnip :) i just learned something new
[11:14] <Ghabit> Jordan_U: What is jigdo? X)
[11:14] <eagles0513875> uhoh thats not good
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: root is disabled for a great many good reasons surrounding security
[11:14] <Wortman> slytherin ty so much man
[11:15] <Wortman> actionparsnip you dont know me so I forgive you but I am no novice
[11:15] <ikonia> csop
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: you didnt have to put the "you dont know me" ghetto stuff
[11:15] <Jordan_U> Ghabit, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#why-jigdo
[11:15] <Wortman> ikonia spell check change "ill" to "will"
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: i treat everyone identical to save hastle
[11:16] <Wortman> right but its insulting to my intelligense
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: i assume nothing
[11:16] <Wortman> you assume I know nothing
[11:16] <Wortman> nvm
[11:16] <eagles0513875> !offtopic
[11:16] <eagles0513875> too late for that
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Wortman: as you say, i have no idea of your level of knowledge so i have to start somewhere dont I , most ubuntu users are fairly new to linux so i start low. its not aninsult to your intelligence at all
[11:16] <ikonia> crdlb: acceptable ?
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> what a clown shoes
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: he left
[11:17] <eagles0513875> i havent run into any python problems yet
[11:17] <crdlb> eagles0513875: it only breaks on upgrade
[11:17] <crdlb> ikonia: looks fine to me
[11:17] <eagles0513875> crdlb: i did an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty and i have had no issues
[11:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: and with respect your famous for breaking/not knowing what you're doing
[11:17] <eagles0513875> well i havent so far ikonia
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: thats how i did it, a clean install was problematic for me
[11:18] <ikonia> eagles0513875: as I said - your famous
[11:18] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:18] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: interesting i did a clean install of intrepid then internet upgrade to jaunty
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: snap
[11:18] <ikonia> eagles0513875: without knowing the details of the bug it's imporrible to be certain but I suspect it's only upgrading after a specific point when python was released to the jaunty repo
[11:18] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:19] <eagles0513875> could be
[11:21] <Milos_SD> hi all... I can update python2.6-minimal... here is the error: http://pastebin.com/m45320ab0
[11:22] <ikonia> Milos_SD: check the topic
[11:22] <ikonia> crdlb: pays dividends already, thank you
[11:24] <Milos_SD> so it is in the work?
[11:24] <Milos_SD> great :)
[11:26] <Milos_SD> how can I reverse python to 2.6.1-1ubuntu7?
[11:26] <Milos_SD> I can't do it from synaptic with "Force version"
[11:26] <ikonia> going to be tough if you've started an upgrade from what I can see
[11:28] <Milos_SD> I have Jaunty for some time now... I got that error when doing update last night :)
[11:28] <Milos_SD> not upgrade, just update :)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> Milos_SD: can you recreate the error and pastebin the output please
[11:32] <Ghabit> Jordan_U: I am not shure I am understand how to use jigdo...
[11:32] <Ghabit> Can you advise me?
[11:35] <Jordan_U> Ghabit, Follow these directions: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ except when prompted for the debian mirror put your free Ubuntu mirror
[11:36] <Ghabit> Jordan_U: Ah, understood! Cool tool X) How to tell jigdo which mirror to use?
[11:36] <Milos_SD> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/m45320ab0
[11:36] <Jordan_U> Ghabit, It will ask you
[11:38] <Jordan_U> And the .jigdo file to process is: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-beta-alternate-i386.jigdo
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Milos_SD: sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get clean
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> Milos_SD: then do what you did to recreate the error
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> Milos_SD: any good?
[11:54] <aboSamoor> Is there any tutorial to learn how to use the mic in ubuntu, my friends bring their laptops to fix. Usually I face the problem with Ekiga or Skype. I don't know how can I diagnose the problem with the mic ! Some of the problems are due to bugs but others a misconfiguration.
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> eww @ skype
[11:59] <Ienorand> aboSamoor: what I did was just enable all options in volume control and then fiddle about till I heard sound from mic, same with skype... But I don't know if that will help you...
[11:59] <Milos_SD> ActionParsnip, I'll try that ...
[12:01] <aboSamoor> lenorand: this is not practical, I want to know what the configuration supposed to be
[12:01] <slytherin> aboSamoor: most of the times the mic is mute by default.
[12:02] <aboSamoor> slytherin: The idea for each laptop I have many new options, how am I supposed to think about them to figure what is the correct configuration.
[12:02] <Milos_SD> guys... I fixed it by creating old-site-packages directory manualy :)
[12:03] <aboSamoor> slytherin: For example, I don't know now if my mic should work or it is not detected at all
[12:03] <slytherin> aboSamoor: that is where the new sound options UI comes into picture. It simplifies the devices users is shown. Sadly it will not be installed by default in jaunty. :-(
[12:04] <aboSamoor> slytherin: what is the package name ?
[12:04] <slytherin> aboSamoor: I haven't yet come across a mic that is not detected.
[12:04] <slytherin> aboSamoor: gnome-volume-control-pulse
[12:05] <aboSamoor> slytherin: the idea I want a diagnosing process so I know that the situation is {HW not detected, Software Bug, Misconfiguration}
[12:07] <slytherin> aboSamoor: I am not aware of any such process. I told you the first thing I look at (mute or not).
[12:10] <aboSamoor> slytherin: I installed that package. Now in the input tab the mic seems ok. I am trying to record using the recorder without any use
[12:10] <JMFTheVCI> I use 8.10 but I have tested this in 9.04 - The Mic can be turned on using the Volume Control but as soon as you close the Volume Control the mic is muted again. To get the mic to stay open you have to open Volume Control, go into the recording tab and then unmute your mic device. Do not close Volume Control but open Skype.
[12:12] <aboSamoor> JMFTheVCI: I am trying this with sound recorder and the sound recorder is giving me pulses of the sound
[12:13] <JMFTheVCI> aboSamoor: You will find that you may have to change the device type (ALSA, PulseAudio, Intel Hxxx etc) until you get one that gives you good audio.
[12:14] <aboSamoor> JMFTheVCI: how can I change them ?
[12:16] <JMFTheVCI> aboSamoor:from Sound Recorder: File>VolumeControl> Recording tab. At the top is Device. Pull down and test each one until you get good recorded audio.  If you do not have a Recording tab then click on the preferences button and tick the box next to the first item that is a recording item.
[12:16] <JMFTheVCI> aboSamoor: My recording device is called Capture.
[12:18] <aboSamoor> JMFTheVCI: I am trying everything, nothing works
[12:19] <aboSamoor> I am using ubuntu for more than two years, I am happy with the experience, lately I am outside my country so text chat is not enough and I wanted to use my mic and I am shocked how it is hard to make this possible
[12:20] <JMFTheVCI> aboSamoor:If nothing works then it is most likely a driver issue. Whatever hardware you have is just not working with the Jaunty drive. I would suugest you open a bug report.
[12:21] <JMFTheVCI> I have two differing items of hardware running Ubuntu. Both have different Recording settings. And both Mic inputs are muffled/muted compared to the same kit running WinXP (I have dual-boot). This has to be a driver issue also.
[12:23] <aboSamoor> JMFTheVCI: on this desktop the mic was working before 2 weeks ! on my laptop I have driver problem for a year !!! One of my friends has a dual boot and using his XP as telephone ;)
[12:24] <JMFTheVCI> I have found that Linux & Sound have never really matched that of Win & Sound.
[12:28] <aurel42> jaunty + nvidia + twinview + compiz = window manager may die at any time when moving the mouse across displays.
[12:30] <aurel42> actually, it only happens when I move the mouse pointer from the second (rightmost) to the first (leftmost) monitor. I guess I need a second mouse so I can have one pointer per monitor and never have to cross that magical line.
[12:31] <rconan> aurel42: translated to mean nvidia drivers are a huge pile of fail
[12:32] <rconan> I have so many issues related to nvidia drivers with Xinerama
[12:32] <aboSamoor> I think this must be clear that recording in ubuntu is just an experimental feature
[12:33] <aurel42> rconan: should I try legacy drivers or will I run into different trouble there? On 8.04 or 8.10 I've never seen any problems like these.
[12:33] <XiXaQ> installing jaunty beta and then installing all the updates; is that equal to downloading yesterdays daily image and installing that?
[12:33] <rconan> aurel42: I don't know... what version are you running? there was a new one today
[12:34] <rconan> XiXaQ: yeah
[12:34] <amon__> aboSamoor: why that
[12:34] <aurel42> rconan: *-180-*
[12:34] <XiXaQ> rconan: is it recommended to install the updates between beta and rc, or is it better to wait for state changes?
[12:34] <rconan> XiXaQ: I install the updates
[12:34] <XiXaQ> thanks :)
[12:34] <rconan> there are a lot of fixes to things happening all the time but you might find things break too
[12:34] <aurel42> rconan: 180.37-0ubuntu2
[12:35] <XiXaQ> Jaunty beta is finally working out of the box without any driver installs! And my webcam is finally working with cheese too :)
[12:35] <rconan> aurel42: there was a new 180.x release in the repos today... you could try that
[12:35] <aurel42> rconan: omw
[12:36] <aurel42> rconan: from past experience, I'd say there's a good chance that my system will freeze completely during the upgrade (it happened 2 out of 4 times since upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04)
[12:36] <rconan> aurel42: is it just X crashing or the whole system?
[12:37] <aboSamoor> amon__: I faced many problems with mics on many different laptops and desktops. For a two years user it is not clear what is the diagnosing process that I should follow to know what is the type of the problem
[12:37] <aurel42> rconan: not sure, both times I failed to try to ping the machine after the freeze. I couldn't zap X, though, nor switch to a text console (yes, I disabled "dontzap").
[12:37] <amon__> ok, i understand, my mic is not working either
[12:38] <rconan> aurel42: I'd selectively upgrade the linux-image and nvidia-glx
[12:38] <rconan> aurel42: then reboot and do the rest
[12:39] <aurel42> rconan: nah, someone has got to test it. ;) I'm getting used to running dpkg --configure --pending after the freeze. ;)
[12:40] <XiXaQ> I need some help with a bug. Gnome or X.org crashes when I run a certain application. It always happen, but I don't know how to find out why. I'm also not close to my computer. But if someone could install "alarm clock" for gnome, and run it to find out why it crashes, I think it could be useful.
[12:40] <rconan> aurel42: I'd certainly try and make sure you're using latest X, kernel and nvidia drivers
[12:40] <aurel42> rconan: looks like I'll survive this time, the nvidia stuff is upgraded now.
[12:41] <aurel42> Rebooting, as Ubuntu advises.
[12:41] <rconan> aurel42: cool...
[12:46] <aurel42> rconan: display problems that started with the last upgrade are still present: heavy black horizontal lines in themeable window areas, flickering pixels and lines, all on the second display.
[12:46] <aurel42> well, perhaps the crashing compiz wm is gone. Hope dies last.
[12:47] <rconan> aurel42: sounds nasty... I haven't used twinview in a while but there are certainly others around using it
[12:47] <aurel42> .o( I really should revert to 8.10 on my main desktop machine. I'm not getting any work done anymore... )
[12:47] <rconan> same here... spending too much time managing bugs and talking on IRC and not enough doing coursework
[12:48] <aurel42> let's explain to each other that we're really doing it for a good cause and better karma. :D
[12:49] <rconan> I'm doing it because when jaunty is release I want my peculiar desktop to be stable (not many people use 4 monitors with nvidia drivers and xinerama)
[12:50] <aurel42> why would you use xinerama instead of twinview? are there advantages to xinerama?
[12:50] <rconan> aurel42: *twin*view only supports two monitors
[12:50] <aurel42> good point!
[12:51] <mhiku> is there a quick fix howto for python breakage?
[12:55]  * aurel42 tries to remember why he didn't use xinerama. I think it bothered me that maximizing a window would make it span both displays.
[12:55] <crdlb> that doesn't happen with xinerama
[12:56] <crdlb> at least not xinerama working properly on a desktop that supports it
[12:56] <aurel42> I guess I messed up setting it up, then.
[12:56] <crdlb> in fact, XRandR 1.2 uses the XINERAMA extension to convey the locations of the physical monitors in the screen
[12:56] <crdlb> (as does twinview)
[12:57] <aurel42> It's been a while since I tried xinerama, must've been when 8.04 was released.
[12:57] <rconan> aurel42: for dual screen twinview is far superior since it works with compositing
[12:59] <aurel42> rconan: can you translate that for me, please? "less cpu load"?
[13:00] <rconan> aurel42: you can use compiz!
[13:01] <aurel42> wobbly windows ftw!!
[13:01] <rconan> twinview and composite extensions wont load at the same time... since compiz needs the composite extension it wont work with xinerama
[13:01] <aurel42> s/twinview/xinerama/ ?
[13:02] <rconan> aurel42: yeah
[13:02] <aurel42> gotcha, thanks
[13:13] <unixdawg> so what is broken now
[13:15] <Exilant> i sometimes get complete lockups, no ctrl-alt-backspace, no ctrl-alt-f1 etc, any idea what is causing those?
[13:16] <Exilant> or how to find out what is causing them?
[13:16] <unixdawg> ok there are soem timestamp issues on files
[13:17] <unixdawg> it says there 8 hours into the future
[13:20] <skyl> http://pastebin.com/m6cf2ffa
[13:21] <skyl> where is the path to the  Python 2.5.4 interpreter?
[13:21] <skyl> the one that runs when I just type python!
[13:22] <mnemo> skyl: type "which python"
[13:24] <skyl> mnemo http://dpaste.com/23074/ that doesn't make sense does it?
[13:24] <D3RGPS31> How do I upgrade to 9.04, update-manager -d doesn't allow me
[13:24] <crdlb> skyl: command -v python
[13:25] <crdlb> that's a bash builtin to tell you the exact path it has chosen to use
[13:25] <crdlb> as opposed to 'which', which is an external tool that happens to use the same algorithm
[13:26] <jck_> D3RPS31: You should wait till it allows you. read the topic of that channel.
[13:26] <mvo> D3RGPS31: currently disabled because of a critical upgrade problem
[13:26] <jck_> I tried manually this morning without using the manager and my system is a bit messed up now :(
[13:27] <D3RGPS31> curses
[13:27] <crdlb> :/
[13:27] <D3RGPS31> mvo: thank you
[13:27] <Do``> anyone experienced "noisy" playback in rhythmbox and vlc in jaunty?
[13:27] <skyl> crdlb thanks, all clear now
[13:28] <crdlb> skyl: I assume you just removed a python install from /usr/local and didn't start a new shell?
[13:29] <skyl> crdlb hmm, not that I know of, just have a bunch of site-packages for python2.5 but now /usr/bin/python is 2.6 so that path has nothing on it
[13:30] <crdlb> what did command -v python say?
[13:30] <mvo> D3RGPS31: we re-enable it later today
[13:31] <D3RGPS31> mvo: thank you again :D
[13:31] <Eruaran> hello
[13:31] <Eruaran> I updated Kubuntu 9.04 a short while ago
[13:31] <Eruaran> And I've noticed that some Kwin effects are no longer working
[13:32] <Eruaran> Desktop Grid has stopped working
[13:32] <suffice> anyone know how to get input for korean characters working in kubuntu 9.04
[13:33] <Eruaran> Cover Switch
[13:33] <Eruaran> And alt+F1 (for example) to switch desktops has stopped working also
[13:33] <jck_> mvo: is there already a fixed python2.6minimal package? I tried to upgrade by editing sources.list
[13:33] <Eruaran> All I've done is install Kdenlive and latest updates
[13:34] <Eruaran> There was an error message about orphaned files that mentioned alerting package maintainers
[13:37] <mvo> jck_: not yet, its in the works
[13:37] <mvo> jck_: I would not recommend upgrading at this point
[13:38] <skyl> alias python='python2.5'
[13:38] <jck_> mvo: I upgraded my home computer yesterday evening and it worked fine, so I tried in office today bevore knowing about the problem.
[13:39] <coz_> anyissues with current updates?
[13:39] <Eruaran> yes
[13:39] <coz_> ah oh
[13:39] <coz_> what?
[13:39] <Eruaran> Well I'm using Kubuntu here
[13:39] <jck_> mvo: so I'll wait and hope everything will work fine if your fix is in the repositories.
[13:39] <Eruaran> Been brilliant
[13:39] <Eruaran> latest updates have killed some kwin effects though
[13:40] <coz_> Eruaran,  just some effects?  no boot problems etc
[13:40] <Eruaran> coz_: just some effects
[13:40] <mvo> jck_: please wait a bit, the problematic upload was done ~10h ago. extra care is taken to ensure that the problem is really fixed before we re-enable theup grades
[13:41] <Eruaran> I installed Kdenlive, but I don't think that did it
[13:41] <Eruaran> Had a bunch of updates
[13:41] <jck_> mvo: ok thanks
[13:41] <crdlb> mvo: this only affects release upgrades? ie the package is harmless for existing jaunty users?
[13:41] <Eruaran> noticed desktop grid, cube, cover switch and switching desktops stopped working after that
[13:42] <Eruaran> other effects still work fine
[13:42] <coz_> Eruaran, these are the KDE effects correct not compiz
[13:42] <Eruaran> so some minor breakage looks liek
[13:42] <Eruaran> *like
[13:42] <Eruaran> coz_: correct, I don't use compiz
[13:43] <mvo> crdlb: yes, only release upgrades. the problem is basicly the unpack ordering (or rather the fact that the old intrepid python-minimal package is installed and not yet the new jaunty one). so for everyone on jaunty with the jaunty package of python-minimal (python-minimal != python2.6-minmal) its all right
[13:43] <coz_> Eruaran,  mm  wouldnt compiz give fewer problems for you?  or are the kde effects that much better?
[13:44] <Eruaran> coz_: I'm using Kubuntu with KDE 4.2, kwin effects are much better.
[13:51] <tgpraveen> hi
[13:53] <EagleSn> hi
[13:53] <EagleSn> if I format an ext3 filesystem as ext4, is it possible to recovery any file from the old ext3 filesystem?
[13:54] <Exilant> EagleSn: hm?
[13:54] <Exilant> you can mount it as ext4
[13:54] <Exilant> preserving all the files
[13:55] <Exilant> or format it, and everythings gone, if there are no backups
[13:55] <EagleSn> I have fotmatted it and I forget to copy an important file
[13:55] <Exilant> EagleSn: a textfile?
[13:56] <EagleSn> it is a .odt file
[13:56] <EagleSn> OpenOffice.org document
[13:56] <Exilant> if so, you can cat and grep the partition
[13:56] <Exilant> odt might get a lot more complicated
[13:56] <EagleSn> cat the partition_
[13:56] <EagleSn> wow
[13:57] <EagleSn> when you cat binary data, text is displayed as text true_
[13:57] <ephoenix> hey everyone
[13:57] <Exilant> there are other tools
[13:57] <Exilant> like strings
[13:57] <EagleSn> I think an .odt is an .xml
[13:58] <Exilant> strings /dev/sda2 or so
[14:10] <virtuald> is there any way to find out why my computer completeley froze and didn't respond to magic sysrq?
[14:13] <mnemo> virtuald: can you ssh to it? also check in /var/log/*
[14:21] <ephoenix> After I upgrade to 9.04 I had problems with audio from the browsers. And the browsers freezes up once video comes up sometimes.
[14:22] <virtuald> mnemo: i didn't have a sshd installed
[14:23] <wirechief> aboSamoor have you tried asking in #alsa  about your sound issues ?
[14:23] <aboSamoor> wirechief: yes, they are not answering usually.
[14:24] <virtuald> the screensaver was frozen. may have to do with compiz on the open radeon driver.
[14:24] <wirechief> aboSamoor: that is true. gnubien or wishy are the ones to chat with
[14:24] <wirechief> aboSamoor last time i checked wishy was the expert on pulseaudio
[14:25] <wirechief> aboSamoor wishy is usually around in the early am with gnubien around 11am
[14:25] <wirechief> aboSamoor: good luck
[14:26] <aboSamoor> wirechief: the problem the I am actively installing ubuntu on many machines. At least I am supposed to give the user indication why his mic is not working {Software Bug: Alsa, Pulseaudio, ... OR misconfiguration}. I read the community diagnosing wiki page and I think it is old and not clear
[14:27] <aboSamoor> wirechief: I will try another time in  #alsa
[14:27] <wirechief> aboSamoor: ok, i see that gnubien is on the channel but dont know if he is active ;)
[14:28] <wirechief> aboSamoor: they have a script use can use that helps pinpoint the issues with sound
[14:28] <Milosz> is it possible to adjust the duration of the notification bubbles?
[14:29] <Milosz> they disappear almost when I'm done only checking what it actually is
[15:02] <bazhang> april 09
[15:02] <lovre> when is 9.04 comming out?
[15:03] <bazhang> see above lovre ^^
[15:03] <lovre> lol
[15:03] <lovre> does it have a habbit of releasing in the beginning, end, middle?
[15:03] <Unksi> end
[15:04] <bazhang> april 23 iirc or thereabouts lovre
[15:04] <lovre> bazhang: ok thank you
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:07] <maxb> lovre: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[15:08] <lovre> maxb: ok, thanks
[15:10] <gnomefreak> bazhang: 24th i thought
[15:11] <bazhang> gnomefreak, thus the 'thereabouts ' :)
[15:12] <gnomefreak> ah good point :)
[15:12] <gnomefreak> it is 23rd
[15:12] <gnomefreak> at least planned date
[15:14] <zeltak2> hi all. any one have any idea what apart form dragon player all other players (vnc.smplayer,kplayer etc..) cant play video (no sound and stutters) in kubuntu jaunty?
[15:16] <eagles0513875> Exilant: actually
[15:17] <eagles0513875> Exilant:  nm sry i wasnt scrolled all the way down here
[15:17] <eagles0513875> !multimedia
[15:17] <eagles0513875> zeltak2: see above
[15:17] <eagles0513875> zeltak2: the 2nd link should have what you are looking for
[15:20] <hackel> So how does one find out about new updates in Jaunty?
[15:22] <eagles0513875> hackel: type in sudo apt-get update then once that runs run sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:22] <hackel> eagles0513875, that's really not helpful.
[15:23] <mbeierl> hackel: what sort of update info are you looking for?
[15:23] <eagles0513875> mbeierl: wants to find out about new jaunty updates
[15:24] <mbeierl> yes, but there are updates daily
[15:24] <hackel> I'm not getting any of the usual notifications about updates anymore, that's what I'm referring to.  update-notifier is running, and it does download packages in the background, I just never get notified.
[15:24] <eagles0513875> mbeierl: even every few hours
[15:24] <mbeierl> minor ones, but even more than daily rightnow
[15:24] <mbeierl> oh!
[15:24] <mbeierl> that's true there seems to be a bug in the update-notifier
[15:24] <mbeierl> I noticed that too
[15:24] <eagles0513875> same here
[15:24] <eagles0513875> same issue
[15:25] <mbeierl> I just run update-manager periodically and manually scan the changes
[15:25] <mbeierl> I figured it's just part of the beta cycle
[15:25] <mbeierl> 'spose I should check to see if there's a bug report filed already....
[15:25] <hackel> Oh, I thought I had read something about the process changing for jaunty, but if it's just a bug then it's not a big deal.
[15:25] <eagles0513875> hackel: if there isnt a bug filed im more then welcome to confirm it for you
[15:26] <mbeierl> I *think* it's a bug
[15:26] <mbeierl> thanks
[15:26] <mbeierl> I'll go check...
[15:26] <mnemo> im also not getting update notifications
[15:28] <BluesKaj> hackel, i have the same issue with the notifier , but if you do sudo apt-get update in the cli the indicator that updates are availble are the lines that begin with "hit" . They describe the packages that can be upgraded with adept or synaptic.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> !adept notifier
[15:29] <BluesKaj> !notifier
[15:29] <hackel> BluesKaj, no, that just refers to list files that it was able to download.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yes , but it indicates an upgrade is available
[15:30] <hackel> BluesKaj, no, it doesn't.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> click on the adept changes , and you'll see what i mean
[15:31] <mnemo> read this:
[15:31] <mnemo> * When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
[15:31] <mnemo>     show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
[15:31] <mnemo>     opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
[15:31] <mnemo>     were actually installed then).
[15:31] <hackel> I don't use any graphical package manager.
[15:31] <mnemo> maybe its by design actually?
[15:32] <hackel> mnemo, hmm, that's what I was wondering.  It makes sense, I suppose.    And aptitude and apt-utils are far superior for most of these things.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> well aptitude does the same thing as apt in this case
[15:35] <BluesKaj> anyway hackel , do what you want . I was merely trying help :P
[15:35] <ubuntu> hi
[15:35] <hackel> Indeed, thanks...
[15:35] <ubuntu> I'm just testing jaunty beta
[15:35] <ubuntu> Kubuntu, actually
[15:36] <ubuntu> it looks like the installer, even when pressing advanced, does not let you choose to install the boot loader on a partition
[15:36] <ubuntu> but only on the mbr
[15:37] <mbeierl> hackel, not sure I understand your question then...
[15:38] <hackel> mbeierl, my question is simply about update-notifier no longer showing a notification icon that I have new updates waiting to install.
[15:38] <mbeierl> update-notifier is a GUI program... so what do you mean by not wanting to use a gpm
[15:38] <mbeierl> oh I see
[15:38] <mbeierl> you want the notifier, but then want to run the update from aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:38] <mbeierl> or something along those lines
[15:39] <crdlb> you can re-enable the icon
[15:39] <mbeierl> 'cos it's possible to check from the cli for pending updates:
[15:39] <mbeierl> sudo aptitude update
[15:39] <mbeierl> ...
[15:39] <hackel> mbeierl, yes, this is what I have done for the past few years.
[15:39] <mbeierl> Current status: 41 updates [+15].
[15:39] <mbeierl> shows up for me at the end
[15:40] <mbeierl> I can then go do the upgrade
[15:40] <mbeierl> but right now I guess there is a change somehow to the update-notifier
[15:40] <hackel> mbeierl, heh, yes I know that.  I just don't want to have to check myself, when it can do it for me.
[15:40] <mbeierl> which (I /think/) someone said now waits a week before notifying?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> crdlb, how ?
[15:41] <crdlb> gconf-editor /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[15:41] <hackel> crdlb, update-notifier is still running, that isn't the issue.
[15:42] <crdlb> indeed
[15:42] <mbeierl> for example, I stop my autostarted up-not then start it from the cmdline and I see:
[15:42] <crdlb> hackel: but update-notifier doesn't display the icon unless you disable that setting
[15:42] <mbeierl> update-notifier
[15:42] <mbeierl> ** (update-notifier:17423): DEBUG: /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check returned 38 (security: 0)
[15:42] <mbeierl> which means there are 38 updates pendind
[15:42] <mbeierl> g
[15:42] <crdlb> it's update-notifier that does the auto-launching of update-manager
[15:43] <mbeierl> but I do not see any visual notification
[15:43] <hackel> Oh I see!  I thought auto-launch was referring to startup.  Wow, I can't imagine *ever* wanting update-manager to auto-launch!  That is terrible!
[15:44] <hackel> crdlb, unsetting auto_launch did indeed bring the icon back, thanks.
[15:44] <mbeierl> what?
[15:45] <mbeierl> you're right!
[15:45] <mbeierl> that is different!
[15:46] <mbeierl> I bet this is even written up somewhere that I didn't bother to read :)
[15:46]  * BluesKaj wonders what the kde equivalent might be
[15:47] <bjsnider> i've been using jaunty more than a week, and i still haven't seen update-manager tell me anything
[15:48] <mbeierl> go into gconf-editor like crdlb mentioned
[15:48] <mbeierl> uncheck auto_launch
[15:48] <hackel> This should really be mentioned in the release notes.
[15:48] <mbeierl> it actually puts back the old-style behaviour
[15:49] <joshjtl> hi folks
[15:49] <jsphillips86> Dropbox just magically QUIT working on 9.04 beta. Anybody experienced with it
[15:49] <joshjtl> I'm having lock ups that require manual shutdown, the cursor is still moveable but nothing else is
[15:51] <joshjtl> the only thing i've done differently of late that i can think of is using preload, and booting without "splash", and with "vga=791" in kernel line...
[15:53] <billybigrigger> has anyone written a howto on shaving secs on boot with kernel options?
[15:53] <billybigrigger> can't seem to find much except that jaunty itself boots fast
[15:56] <comingsoon> so what excatly the sum of ram do I need to run 9.04
[15:56] <mbeierl> btw... if anyone's having problems with pptp under jaunty - I had a working config under intrepid, but just could not recreate it under jaunty.  Also found out that you cannot 'export' a pptp connection so there is no bringing it forward
[15:57] <mbeierl> until... I realized I could just copy the config from under the .gconf/network/connections directory from my intrepid home to my jaunty home
[15:57] <mbeierl> (ie: I did not do an upgrade, I did a new install with a new home partition)
[15:57] <mbeierl> just thought I'd throw that out there :)
[15:59] <mikedep3331> hey, I'm on Jaunty. How can I test the notification system?
[16:00] <CarlFK1> HP p1505n "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"  pretty sure it was working a week ago
[16:01] <abhishekiitd> hey dudes i have a problem here.i just installed 9.04, and the first thing i wanted was compiz, so i typed compiz in terminal ..but the terminal hung after that and i just closed it...after that any window (for eg, this firefox window) i open, gets on top of the menus aand i cant acces them when i am runing an application
[16:01] <hackel> comingsoon, a whopping 256M.
[16:02] <mikedep3331> abhishekiitd: to enable compiz, you use preferences > appearance > visual effects
[16:02] <hackel> abhishekiitd, you need to run "compiz --replace".  Try hitting alt-F2 and running it.
[16:02] <mikedep3331> you may need to install the proprietary graphics driver
[16:02] <comingsoon> awhopping ?
[16:02] <abhishekiitd> mikedep3331:but before that how do i solve my current problem
[16:02] <mikedep3331> restart X
[16:02] <mikedep3331> log out and log back in
[16:02] <abhishekiitd> hackel:why replace?
[16:03] <hackel> comingsoon, sorry, stupid expression.
[16:03] <hackel> abhishekiitd, because it is replacing metactiy, the default window manager.
[16:03] <mikedep3331> or hackel can help you further
[16:03] <abhishekiitd> hackel:ok thanks..leme try it
[16:05] <CarlFK1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20007155/troubleshoot.txt  how do I make that?
[16:06] <abhishekiitd> it didnt help
[16:06] <abhishekiitd> i got the same hung terminal
[16:06] <abhishekiitd> and yet again firefox is pasted on top left of the screen
[16:06] <abhishekiitd> and i cant access the menus
[16:06] <mbeierl> that sounds like a bad video driver
[16:06] <mbeierl> what card do you have?
[16:07] <abhishekiitd> nvidia 9200 gs, 512 mb
[16:07] <mbeierl> lsmod | grep nv
[16:07] <abhishekiitd> well if i dont try compiz command at all its fine
[16:07] <mbeierl> what's that say?
[16:07] <abhishekiitd> mbeier: and compiz ran fine on 8.04\
[16:08] <mbeierl> can you confirm you've got the same nvidia driver installed on jaunty that you did on hardy?
[16:08] <abhishekiitd> mbeierl: as i said, i cant access terminal until i log out again and then ut
[16:08] <mbeierl> ok, log out then, please
[16:08] <abhishekiitd> mbeierl:well i havent installed any dfriver yet
[16:08] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, are you using the nvidia 180.44 driver at the present time?
[16:09] <mbeierl> as an aside, I'm using 180.44 on Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300 and compiz works well enough
[16:09] <mbeierl> still have the refresh problem
[16:09] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:i presumed that ubuntu 9.04 installed it for me automatically, becasue i am kinda gettting good resolution
[16:09] <bjsnider> works fine here too
[16:09] <bjsnider> no, it did not
[16:09] <mbeierl> where parts of a window do not update
[16:09] <bjsnider> it's a restricted add-on sir
[16:09] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:so right now i need to log out..i will be right back
[16:10] <joshjtl> I'm getting lockups that are causing everything to freeze except my cursor, i have to manually shutdown machine. Is there anywhere I can look at a log perhaps where I might figure out whats causing this?
[16:10] <mbeierl> we will wait for you :)
[16:10] <bjsnider> it will install automatically if linux changes the linux license
[16:10] <mbeierl> bjsnider: not a chance ...
[16:11] <bjsnider> mbeierl, what refresh problem is this now?
[16:11] <abhishekiitd> mbeier: now m back
[16:11] <Ienorand> bjsnider: Or if nvidia would release it under a free license, not very likely atm either...
[16:11] <mbeierl> bjsnider: I'll have a terminal, and type say ls -al
[16:11] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, i would make sure i had the nvidia blob installed at this point
[16:11] <abhishekiitd> mbeierl: how can i check if nvidia drivers are correctly installed?
[16:11] <hackel> I'm unable to upgrade nvidia-glx-180 at the moment.
[16:11] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:how?
[16:11] <mbeierl> the screen only shows part of the update, then nothing until I cause a refresh
[16:11] <mbeierl> by moving the window
[16:11] <mbeierl> abhishekiitd: justa sec
[16:12] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, execute at the terminal sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[16:12] <abhishekiitd> mbeier|:ok
[16:12] <mbeierl> abhishekiitd: go under System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
[16:12] <abhishekiitd> mbeier|:ya it doesnt show nvidia there
[16:13] <bjsnider> there's your problem, sir
[16:13] <mbeierl> abhishekiitd: there are no greyed out nvidias listed?
[16:14] <abhishekiitd> mbeier|:..there is no mention of nvidia at all
[16:14] <abhishekiitd> mbeier|:when i was trying it by using live cd, i can remember nvidia listed, though it asked for activation
[16:14] <bjsnider> that may be a jockey bug
[16:15] <mbeierl> abhishekiitd: you can try manually downloading it from here http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[16:15] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:and moreover i cant access net on either synaptic or termial, i guess i will have to fix that first
[16:15] <mbeierl> ah, yes
[16:15] <bjsnider> you what?
[16:15] <abhishekiitd> mbeier|:ok i will try that, but isnt it an improper way
[16:15] <bjsnider> whatkind of a system is this?
[16:15] <mbeierl> well, it's how I've been doing it...
[16:16] <bjsnider> mbamford, wait, you installed using nvidia's installer?
[16:16] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:actually i use a proxy authetication, in my colege
[16:16] <bjsnider> mbeierl, , wait, you installed using nvidia's installer?
[16:16] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, yes but the drivers are there for the lan card right?
[16:17] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:lan card, yes...but i think i will need to input username and passwords at more than one places
[16:17] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, if you can get that thing on the internet i can get your nvidia driver working quickly
[16:18] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:ya got it...i am trying to fix it.
[16:18] <Eruaran> Ok things are worse than I thought
[16:18] <Eruaran> I've lost themes and icons have regressed to KDE 3.5 icons
[16:19] <bjsnider> mbeierl, are you using kde?
[16:19] <Eruaran> So... some kwin effects not working, icons not right, themes missing... this happened after the most recent updates
[16:20] <abhishekiitd> does anyone else need to use proxy authetication with a static ip to connect to the internet
[16:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I have downloaded the iso image and when booting up from the cd, I get kstartupconfig4 does not exist or failed.  Has anybody had this happen to them?
[16:21] <JMFTheVCI> update-manager -d is currently not working, yes? And from the intro this is due to python. Is the python bug a showstopper for the upgrade or for the system after the upgrade?
[16:21] <abhishekiitd> cz i have got a problem here..i need to apply the proxy system wide, and i clicked on system wide, but it doesnmt seem to help
[16:23] <gnomefreak> JMFTheVCI: yes it is
[16:23] <gnomefreak> gundam_rx78nt1: the md5sum seems to be wrong (at least that is 1 reason)
[16:24] <JMFTheVCI> no point in asking for a timescale for a fix...?
[16:24] <gnomefreak> gundam_rx78nt1: run md5sum something.iso  replace something with name of iso and see if they match from the site you downloaded it from
[16:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> gnomefreak: Thanks. I will do that once I finish downloading a fresh copy.
[16:25] <benste> during installation with alternate CD (LTSP server) I got an error saying that I have to config manually the devices DHCP should listen on eth0, how should I modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf  to do so?
[16:26] <gnomefreak> gundam_rx78nt1: also burn the slowest you can
[16:26] <cjae> ok so ext4 will be available in jaunty, is it ready? someone told me to wait, so IF there is a security flaw in it how would it be patched or can this happen with a filesystem?
[16:26] <rconan> cjae: ext4 is officially stable
[16:26] <gnomefreak> cjae: its a bit buggy from what i have seen in bug reports
[16:26] <benste> cjae, ext4 works fine on my 9.04 system
[16:26] <rconan> it's an option in jaunty but not default
[16:27] <cjae> and I would be using kubuntu and someone told me that it causes kde to crash
[16:27]  * gnomefreak stays away from words like "stable" and "officially"
[16:27] <cjae> is there #kubuntu+1?
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> benste: how do you find it stacks up against ext3
[16:27] <QPrime> cjae: ext4 has issues with commit times and *hard* locks on systems.  I would generally only use it on *servers* that are known to be rock solid.  ext4 has been known to loose data and zero out files if the system goes down hard.
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> cjae: try it
[16:28] <benste> ActionParship: it's 18sec faster bootable on my laptop :-)
[16:28] <mbeierl> bjsnider: yes, I pretty much always install using nvidia's installer
[16:28] <mbeierl> bjsnider: and I use gnome
[16:28] <benste> ActionParship:and I didn't have a loss of data even with battery empty
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> benste: not bad
[16:28] <cjae> nope
[16:28] <bjsnider> mbeierl, you didn't use the nvidia-xconfig command at the end did you?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> benste: i'll look into it next install for kicks
[16:28] <benste> ;-)
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> benste: could look into hdparm too if your drive sucks
[16:29] <mbeierl> nope
[16:29] <benste> it works fine so no need for loking something up :-)
[16:29] <cjae> benste, what window manager or DE?
[16:29] <benste> gnome
[16:29] <mbeierl> bjsnider: I use my own xorg
[16:29] <bjsnider> mbeierl, i thought the window refresh issue for the 7k cards was fixed a few months ago
[16:29] <cjae> :(
[16:29] <benste> cjae - default isntall
[16:30] <mbeierl> bjsnider: I like to have it know about my second monitor when it's not connected to the laptop so I have to keep a hand-rolled config
[16:30] <mbeierl> bjsnider: nope.  I have not seen it go away ever
[16:30] <rconan> just to check something:
[16:30] <rconan> !ot
[16:31] <rconan> !not offtopic is #ubuntu+1 is the Ubuntu development branch discussion channel. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!
[16:31] <benste> does no one know how to modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to listen on eth0 ?
[16:31] <cjae> does anyone hear use 9.04 with kde and know if the Nvidia installer works yet? or with gnome?
[16:31] <ikonia> rconan: ?
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> cjae: im on 64bit kubuntu jaunty + nvidia
[16:31] <rconan> ikonia: the offtopic message for this channel should mention the channel it's in not #ubuntu
[16:32] <benste> cjae: nvidia + gnome too
[16:32] <benste> 32bit
[16:32] <cjae> ActionParsnip, beta or daily build?
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> cjae: i use the 180.44 from the reop, works fine
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> cjae: beta
[16:32] <cjae> cool I tried awhile back and it didn't
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> cjae: but im getting about 40 sets of updates a day
[16:33] <cjae> ActionParsnip, would you use daily or should I steer clear of it
[16:33] <MTecknology> So, I want to use debootstrap, but I don't know where to grap the stuff for a mirror to keep the files on my system - anyone know where to get these files?
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> cjae: i'm no fan of dailys or alpha, i like a good solid freeze point to install
[16:34] <rconan> cjae: beta with updates is the same as a daily
[16:34] <mbeierl> ok, what sort of "backing store/triple buffer/use events/?" do people generally use here for their xorg with nvidia
[16:34] <cjae> ActionParsnip, I see daily is about 15 to 20 megs smaller than beta
[16:34] <mbeierl> and for compiz do you use copy or direct?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> cjae: strange
[16:34] <mbeierl> maybe that's why I still get the window refresh bug
[16:35] <BluesKaj> do we need all these older versions of Python below 2.6 ?
[16:36] <rconan> BluesKaj: some things are incompatible with newer python versions I believe
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: if they are deps of stuff, yes
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: could try deborphan
[16:37] <miik> please update GDM
[16:37] <benste> did so try 9.04 in Vbox with guest additions? after guest additions I alwas fall back to low grafics mode
[16:37] <miik> why the hell Ubuntu uses 100 year old GDM 2.20 ??
[16:37] <rconan> miik: 2.20 is not old
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> benste: then you need to configure xorg.conf
[16:37] <mbeierl> QPrime: ext4 has *hard* locks?  Do you mean to say that it locks up the kernel hard, or that it cannot properly recover yet from hard lockups?
[16:37] <rconan> it's the current release
[16:37] <miik> rconan, yes, its old..
[16:37] <miik> rconan, no its not the current release
[16:37] <benste> rconan: ubuntu is using 2.26 atm !!
[16:37] <miik> rconan, 2.24.1 is the current
[16:38] <rconan> my bad...
[16:38] <miik> benste, but GDM is still 2.20 :(
[16:38] <cjae> ActionParsnip, sorry I must have been looking at wrong one it is only 5 megs or so diff
[16:38] <mbeierl> bjsnider: do you use the damage events flag for nvidia?
[16:38] <miik> how can i tell the guy who is the boss of ubuntu to upgrade GDM to latest?
[16:38] <rconan> benste: i assume you mean 2.25 since 2.26 is not out
[16:38] <bjsnider> mbeierl, no
[16:38] <rconan> benste: 2.25 being 2.26 development branch
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> miik: log a bug, you may be able to find a ppa with  the new version on. Is the current one not working for you?
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> !info gdm
[16:39] <bjsnider> mbeierl, but the refresh issue doesn't exist for my card, and never did
[16:39] <benste> rconan regarigin GDM possibly, I think they're waiting for the new one with facebrowser: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-facebrowser-for-jaunty.html
[16:39] <crdlb> miik: they use an old gdm because the new one is full of regressions
[16:39] <benste> rconan, jaunty uses 2.26
[16:39] <miik> ActionParsnip, yes it works, but i dont want old.. i want new... heard the old is slow, and new is better
[16:39] <miik> oh
[16:39] <mbeierl> bjsnider: lucky...
[16:39] <rconan> miik: what's the problem with 2.20?
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> miik: well if what you have works, why fix it
[16:40] <miik> i heard its slow
[16:40] <benste> ActionParsnip which config should I enter in xorg.conf?
[16:40] <MTecknology> !info gdm jaunty
[16:40] <benste> ActionParsnip even dpgk-reconf... results in low grafic
[16:40] <miik> !info gdm feisty
[16:40] <bjsnider> mbeierl, no, the issue doesn't affect any card => geforce 8k series
[16:40] <miik> !info gdm dapper
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> benste: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/05/23/install-virtualbox-additions-for-an-ubuntu-804-guest/
[16:40] <jonathan__> how stable is jaunty?
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> miik: newer isnt always better
[16:41] <rconan> miik: they will have considered the update to 2.2{4,6} but have decided against it for a reason
[16:41] <mbeierl> bjsnider: what sort of compiz settings do you use? indirect, copy, etc?
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> jonathan__: works ok here, yours may be different
[16:41] <jonathan__> good to here
[16:41] <miik> rconan, oh okie
[16:41] <rconan> although it does seem odd
[16:41] <jonathan__> s/here/hear/
[16:41] <bjsnider> mbeierl, default settings, with redirect fullscreen unchecked
[16:41] <benste> jonathan__ it's unstable - but works fluently for me
[16:41] <jonathan__> ok
[16:41] <cjae> anyone know of any issues dual boot (?)ubuntu and windows 7?
[16:41] <QPrime> mbeierl: didn't mean to imply that ext is the *cause* of the hard locks. just relating the fact that if a your hardware locks before a commit you lose data, after a metadata commit but before a data commit you zero files.  due to the length of the commit times, it's much more of a problem than ext3.
[16:42] <QPrime> *ext4
[16:42] <mbeierl> QPrime: ok, just wanted to clarify.  I've been having the odd hard lock lately on 9.04 and was looking at how to narrow it down
[16:42] <rconan> cjae: no... I do it on my laptop, although not on the same hard drive
[16:42] <rconan> not reason it shouldn't work though
[16:42] <ubuntu> I'm trying to install Jaunty, and I went to resize a partition, it's been going for about 30 minutes or more, how could I check that it is still going?
[16:42] <mbeierl> QPrime: and, of course, I'm using ext4 for the root partition
[16:42] <rconan> cjae: just don't let ubuntu shrink your win7 partition
[16:42] <mbeierl> QPrime: /home is reiserfs
[16:43] <bjsnider> mbeierl, don't you mean ninafs?
[16:43] <cjae> rconan, I was just making sure the bootloader was the same and stuff :) thank you
[16:43] <QPrime> mbeierl:  good luck with the root.  home should be ok (just keep the knives away from it) *sigh*
[16:43] <mbeierl> bjsnider: /dev/sda4 on /home type reiserfs (rw)
[16:44] <cjae> rconan, I have two drives as well ;)
[16:44] <mbeierl> /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[16:44] <rconan> mbeierl: it was a joke about reiser murdering his wife :p
[16:44] <cjae> rconan, is does 7 have winfs?
[16:44] <rconan> cjae: no... just updated ntfs which ubuntu can't resize (AFAIK)
[16:45] <cjae> ok
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> cjae: plan your partitions and you will never have to resize
[16:45] <bjsnider> mbeierl, excuse me but who's joking?
[16:45] <cjae> ActionParsnip, two hdds
[16:45] <bjsnider> oh, sorry i meant that for rconan
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> cjae: still has partitions on them for storage
[16:46] <ubuntu> rconan: Gutsy resized my NTFS Vista.
[16:46] <rconan> bjsnider: i don't really get how you arrived at ninafs so I couldn't say
[16:46] <rconan> ubuntu: vista != win7
[16:47] <cjae> ActionParsnip, ?? sorry not following you but I am not fully awake yet either
[16:47] <ubuntu> rconan: I know, you said NTFS, not Win7 NTFS
[16:47] <mbeierl> mbeierl: I had no clue ... I didn't catch the reference, and I'm culturally challenged :)
[16:47] <rconan> ubuntu: i said "updated NTFS" and we were already talking about win7
[16:48] <ubuntu> rconan: I was just multi-tasking, sorry didn't read all the previous stuff.
[16:48] <mbeierl> bjsnider: I meant you, not me :)
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> cjae: if you plan your partitions for both  drives when you first install and leave unpartitioned space to install other OSes instead of accepting the default to use the entire drive you will never have to resize partitions as they will already be sized up
[16:48]  * QPrime thinks reiserfs is a prime example of why filesystem names should be independent of their developer :(
[16:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I have downloaded the the 386iso image and none of the md5sums match the ones listed on the file on the download site.
[16:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> This is the third time I downloaded and from different sources.
[16:49] <bjsnider> mbeierl, a lot of people think reiser's name should be taken off the file system as a tribute to his murdered wife
[16:49] <rconan> ActionParsnip: I follow a one disk per OS rule and never put storage on the same disk as an OS
[16:49] <rconan> bjsnider: i was not aware of that
[16:49] <mbeierl> bjsnider: wow.
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> rconan: me too, swap on a different drive with user data, then OS
[16:50] <cjae> ActionParsnip, I always use manually paritioning and I would be 40 gig = win7 and 300 gig=(?)ubuntu
[16:50] <bjsnider> he strangled her while the kids were in another room and then drove her out to a ditch and buried her
[16:50] <bazhang> !ot
[16:50] <rconan> bjsnider: to be fair it was reiser who wrote the filesystem and he was pretty damn good at that even if he was a little uncooperative
[16:50] <bazhang> please take that to another channel thanks.
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> gundam_rx78nt1: use torrents, they have good error checking stuff which can help get a good image
[16:50] <QPrime> yeah, getting offtopic with the details there...
[16:51] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok.
[16:51] <gundam_rx78nt1> be back after the download has completed.
[16:51] <rconan> hilights the problem with the offtopic message again
[16:51] <cjae> is anyone up keeping reiserfs? cause I find it much faster than ext3 and have not seen anything in ext4 that would dramatically speed it up or am I wrong?
[16:52] <spaceBARbarian> hey for some reason i am seeing white lines around my panels when using the cube
[16:52] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how to fix that ?
[16:52] <rconan> cjae: ext4 is much faster than ext3
[16:52] <cjae> ok
[16:52] <rconan> cjae: reiser3 is supported by mainline kernel developers
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: do you mean compiz?
[16:52] <benste> ActionParsnip, your link didn't work
[16:52] <QPrime> cjae: reiser4 development is currently slow/stalled.
[16:52] <rconan> reiser4 is probably going to die an ugly death
[16:53] <benste> ActionParsnip ideas how to escape low grafic mode?
[16:53] <spaceBARbarian> ActionParsnip: yeah compiz cube rotation gives me white lines around my top and bottom panels
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> benste: do you mean the content or the page didnt load?
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> spaceBARbarian: then head into #compiz
[16:53] <cjae> rconan, when you install ubuntu there is only one reiserfs option now which reiser is it?
[16:53] <rconan> cjae: that's reiser3
[16:53] <benste> ActionParsnip: eh I'm taliḱing about gdm woun't load cause of ubuntu in low grafic mode popup
[16:53] <rconan> the other one you have to patch your kernel for
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> benste: try running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:54] <bjsnider> cjae, xfs is faster than any filesystem in the kernel right now
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> benste: then restart x
[16:54] <benste> ActionParsnip already tried it with -phigh
[16:54] <benste> didn't work
[16:54] <benste> configured manually with vboxvideo driver now - doesn't work
[16:54] <spaceBARbarian> i installed jaunty with ext3, is it worth it to go back and switch to ext4 ?
[16:55] <QPrime> bjsnider: never used it, but it has a 'reputation' for data loss issues as well.
[16:55] <god-mok> hi, after upgrading the system to kernel 28-11, my system freeze and after that i boot into the root shell. the system says it's on "read-only" i can't change any settings, but the config files are not corrupted or anything
[16:55] <benste> spaceBARbarian : bootup 10 sec faster !!
[16:55] <defrysk> spaceBARbarian, if you have time and resources, its worth it
[16:55] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, for me, ext4 has been a huge performance boost over ext3
[16:55] <defrysk> fscheck is retardidly fast done
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: with XFS: Creation and deletion of directory entries can be a much slower metadata operation than other file systems.
[16:55] <defrysk> on ext4
[16:56] <spaceBARbarian> so more than just faster boot ? because i always used hibernate anyway
[16:56] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, yes, deleting sometimes is slow
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: and they cannot be shrunk
[16:56] <defrysk> spaceBARbarian, minor chance of dataloss during major crashes
[16:56] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, when applying new packages, the write operations go, i dunno, 100 times faster or something
[16:57] <cjae> how is fsck with xfs?
[16:57] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: can i hold you to that 100 * performance boost ?
[16:57] <defrysk> 2.6.29 kernel seems to have solved some of the bugs, not sure if its patched to the ubuntu kerenl ?
[16:57] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, ok, but i'm just going to switch to btrfs for koala, so it doesn't matter much
[16:58] <bjsnider> defrysk, i'm sure those things will be backported if it really is fixed
[16:58] <defrysk> bjsnider, would be cool ;0
[16:58] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, you can haveme killed
[16:58] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: will do
[17:03] <abhishekiitd> bjsneider: i have managed to get my synaptic running...now tell me what was command for installing nvidia 180, please!
[17:04] <abhishekiitd> hey anyone here, what is the command for installing nvidia drivers?
[17:04] <abhishekiitd> something like sudo apt-get install nvidia-180?
[17:04] <bjsnider> sudo apt-get isntall nvidia-glx-180
[17:05] <abhishekiitd> bjsneider: ok thanks...but nvidia isnt listed in my hardware drivers, but i should proceed with this command right?
[17:05] <bjsnider> yes, proceed
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> abhishekiitd: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180; sudo nvidia-xconfig
[17:05] <bjsnider> no, not nvidia-xconfig
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> abhishekiitd: what nvidia card is it?
[17:05] <bjsnider> that command will create a parochial xorg.conf
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: why not nvidia-xconfig?
[17:05] <abhishekiitd> ActionParnship:NVIDIA geforce 9200 gs
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> abhishekiitd: ok install the 180 driver as we've said, bjsnider knows some jiggery pokery
[17:06] <bjsnider> nvidia hasn't updated that command in awhile
[17:06] <abhishekiitd> bjsneider: is nvidia 8600 gt better than mine?
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> abhishekiitd: what ram on both is a factor, as well as the chip
[17:07] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, you're spelling my name wrong
[17:07] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:sorry mate!
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: so whats the deal to get the nvidia driver enabled once installed?
[17:07] <mahfiaz> why doesn't the ubuntu live-cd contain estonian tranlation anymore?
[17:07] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip: install nvidia-glx-180, eh?  I always used to try the Hardware Drivers thing and it would always hang on me
[17:07] <abhishekiitd> ActionParnship: MY vram is 512 mb, while my frnd's is 256 8600 gt
[17:07] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, it probably is. the low numbered cards ae generally worse than high numbered ones, so the 8800 will be better than the 9200, but not better than the 9800
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> abhishekiitd: then the 9200 is a later chip and has more vram so will perform better