[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[17:08] <dholbach> all rightie my friends - I call it a day - have a great weekend!


[00:36] <MikeRL> I haven't nagged anyone for weeks considering the holidays (I know you all have lives), but with the final Firefox beta out (beta 7), will a build come soon so I and others may test it to ensure the final 18.0 release doesn't have a lot of bugs?
[00:38] <bkerensa> MikeRL: 18.0 is already in raring
[00:38] <MikeRL> Not 18 beta 7. It's 18 beta 5.
[00:39] <MikeRL> Thanks, though.
[00:40] <MikeRL> I mean the beta ppa for Firefox.
[00:40] <MikeRL> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next
[00:41] <MikeRL> Just please don't build on New Years. I know not everyone lives in the states, but some of you guys do.
[00:41] <MikeRL> I am referring to time zone differences, by the way.
[00:42] <bkerensa> MikeRL: it appears chrisccoulson just uploaded a new released on the 23rd to that ppa... I'm sure he will be doing more work on it when time permits
[00:42] <bkerensa> s/released/release
[00:43] <MikeRL> Sure. OK. Just want to make sure we get an updated build before the final release.
[00:44] <MikeRL> Sorry if I appear rude. I just like doing the testing, and am mildly afraid that if the PPA wasn't updated at least for the first and last beta, Firefox stable could be a crash inducing headache.
[00:45] <MikeRL> By the way, thank you to all who attempt to keep this PPA updated. Updates aren't needed for every single beta, but would be nice if time was infinite in life. Also, every other beta is OK too.
[19:21] <rsd> ubuntu 12.10.  Neither FF or Thunder asks for password on CUPS with AUTH.  Is this a bug?
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> rsd, i've no idea how printing even works. it might be best to ask someone like tkamppeter
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> it's likely to be fairly silent in here for a while. i've not been working for a pretty much an entire month :)
[19:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: lightning is still separate from thunderbird until 20, right?
[19:31] <rsd> ok
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> micahg, ja
[19:31] <micahg> I tried to make a tarball last month, but it failed when trying to branch the mozilla-repo since the tag wasn't there...


[01:22] <chx> thanks mwhudson for unbreaking the drupal bzr mirror. much appreciated quick work.
[01:29] <mwhudson> chx: np
[01:29] <mwhudson> chx: it actually affected all mirrors, that kind of made it a priority :)
[01:29] <chx> oh :)
[01:29] <chx> i thought it's just us, as the git mirror is also broken
[03:15] <winferno> Hi, does anyone have time to help me with getting my source package on to my PPA? I'm a new to launchpad.
[03:16] <winferno> First off, my PPA URL, as listed on my launchpad page is http://ppa.launchpad.net/winferno/ubuntu
[03:17] <winferno> I get a 404 when I go there, which is a little disconcerting. I don't know if that's normal in my situation.
[03:20] <winferno> Next, I have built a source package per the Ubuntu package tutorial (the source builds fine on my box), and uploaded it using dput. I got a message about an unknown distroseries in an automated e-mail shortly after, but after modifying my changelog reflect the 'intrepid' distro (I'm using the Intrepid beta) I didn't receive the same automated mail.
[03:23] <winferno> Finally, I added the two lines for my /etc/apt/sources.list as shows on my launchpad page to my system. I'm under the impression that at this point I should be able to do a 'sudo apt-get install packagename' and the package will be installed. Is this true? Do I have to wait for launchpad to build my packages? Is there a way to get confirmation that I did my part ok? dput didn't give me much indication and I don't see anyt
[03:41] <ajmitch> winferno: http://launchpad.net/~winferno/+archive doesn't appear to show any uploaded source packages, at least
[03:52] <winferno> ajmitch: Where did you get that URL from?
[03:53] <ajmitch> by clicking on the 'personal package archive' link on your LP page
[03:54] <winferno> Ok, I see there: http://ppa.launchpad.net/winferno/ubuntu
[03:54] <winferno> ajmitch: Oh right, I see it's the URL of the page when you click 'personal package archive', sorry.
[03:55] <winferno> Does this page become populated the moment you use dput successfully, or only after launchpad builds the source package in to binary packages?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> the latter
[03:57] <winferno> Is there any indication of success in the dput stage? And how long will the build take for a 'hello world' test?
[04:01] <arjenAU> anyone.... what's the usual process/timeline for getting a mailing list on a team approved? (I do realise it's still wkend in many places, so no worries really)
[04:01] <winferno> Ok, I've received an automated message saying section 'unknown' isn't valid. Should I change my package's debian/control file to say something besides 'unknown'? 'optional' maybe?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> winferno: yes
[04:07] <Hobbsee> there are a list of valid sections
[04:08] <winferno> I changed it to 'main' =/
[04:08] <Hobbsee> winferno: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[04:08] <Hobbsee> main probably won't work
[04:09] <winferno> I see.. I'll try graphics (appropriate sounding for what I'm working on).
[04:11] <winferno> Does 'login = anonymous' sound right in my ~/.dput.cf file? That's from the launchpad site, I'd just expect it to me my launchpad username.
[04:11] <rockstar> winferno, that's correct.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:13] <Hobbsee> the dput instructions, at least from intrepid onwards, should be more than clear
[04:15] <winferno> dput doesn't seem to be complaining, I think it's that I'm new to Ubuntu packaging (and Debian packaging), and so those details are what I'm struggling with.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> winferno: dput has no idea if it was accepted by the server or not
[04:16] <Hobbsee> winferno: it just knows if it's sent the files somewhere.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> (dput also isn't a package checker - it's only an uploader)
[04:17] <winferno> Understood, so in troubleshooting something that's new to me, I was trying to get all the feedback possible (I don't mean IRC). All I had to work with were the automated messages in e-mail.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> yeah - it's not overly clear
[04:18] <winferno> Say that again. =) Okay, got it! changing section to 'graphics' fixed the problem.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> woot!
[04:19] <Hobbsee> you'll often find that packaging guide (or the ubuntu one) to be useful
[04:19] <winferno> Thanks Hobbsee, I think I can classify that as a 'I didn't know enough about Ubuntu packaging' problem.
[04:19] <winferno> Word.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> winferno: yeah, i think so :)  You're welcome
[04:24] <winferno> Hmm, my package failed to build the amd64 target with an error about configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."
[04:24] <winferno> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18477041/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.motzy_1.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:35] <Hobbsee> so, how do i search a whole lot of bzr branches, belonging to a specific team?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> there seems to be no search
[12:36] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You click next lots of times, then file a bug.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ah
[15:21] <mrevell> New episode of the Launchpad podcast: http://news.launchpad.net/podcast/launchpod-episode-11-launchpad-teams-and-openid-future-of-lp-ui-and-community-help
[15:56] <_Andrew> Hi
[15:57] <_Andrew> I'm getting an error in windows when using bazaar to create a branch from lp:hardwar... ERROR: Unable to ask for a password without real terminal
[15:58] <al-maisan_> _Andrew: hello there.
[15:59] <al-maisan_> do you use a CMD prompt to issue the bzr commands?
[15:59] <_Andrew> ah, I was using tortoise..
[15:59] <_Andrew> I can use cmd
[15:59] <al-maisan_> _Andrew: what bzr version do you use?
[16:00] <_Andrew> oh nm I see the problemnow
[16:00] <_Andrew> It's asking for my ssh password.. thanks
[16:00] <al-maisan_> no problem
[16:07] <_Andrew> oh, another question about bzr
[16:08] <al-maisan_> _Andrew: yes..?
[16:08] <_Andrew> It keeps nagging me to upgrade my bazaar with bzr upgrade, but when I do it and commit it still nags me to do it when I create another branch
[16:09] <al-maisan_> _Andrew:
[16:09] <al-maisan_> Purpose: Upgrade branch storage to current format.
[16:09] <al-maisan_> Usage:   bzr upgrade [URL]
[16:09] <_Andrew> oh I have to do it online? I didn't realise
[16:09] <al-maisan_> it nags you to upgrade the storage format for a branch
[16:09] <_Andrew> so.. bzr upgrade lp:hardwar?
[16:10] <al-maisan_> what bzr version are you running
[16:10] <al-maisan_> I suspect that it's not up to date ..
[16:10] <_Andrew> 1.3.1
[16:10] <al-maisan_> .. and that that's the root cause of this
[16:10] <al-maisan_> bzr is at 1.7 already
[16:11] <al-maisan_> 1.7.1
[16:11] <Odd_Bloke> (1.8rc1 was released last week)
[16:11] <_Andrew> I'm just using the one default in ubuntu
[16:11] <al-maisan_> _Andrew: you can keep up to date by adding the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:12] <al-maisan_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ubuntu hardy main
[16:13] <al-maisan_> that will point to the archive with the current bzr production releases
[16:16] <_Andrew> Is it backwards compatible?
[16:17] <al-maisan_> _Andrew: yes, please see also: https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive
[16:17] <_Andrew> ok thanks
[17:10] <_Andrew> another question.. I can't do bzr pull because it says I locked it 23 hours ago?
[17:12] <kiko> _Andrew, bzr break-lock
[17:14] <_Andrew> thanks
[17:26] <leonel_> hello ..  I'm backporting a package  but it needs  2 more packages  will there  be errors with my ppa  for those 2 packages missing ?  or  do I  upload those 2 packages to??
[17:26] <kiko> leonel_, are those packages in ubuntu itself?
[17:27] <leonel_> kiko:  yes in intrepid
[17:27] <kiko> leonel_, should work fine there -- it fetches dependencies from ubuntu by default.
[17:27] <leonel_> the 3 packages are  in intrepid and I'd like to backport them to  hardy
[17:28] <leonel_> thank you  kiko
[17:48] <leonel_> kiko:  the source package got published but theres no .deb package and theres a red mark on the package built seccion  means no deb ..
[17:49] <leonel_> kiko:  there's a status message :   Denendency wait ..
[17:49] <leonel_> ok i'll  wait :)
[17:52] <leonel_> or  that  dependency wait  means that is waiting for me to upload the 2 missing packages ??
[17:53] <rockstar> leonel_, you'll need to backport those other packages from intrepid to hardy.
[17:54] <leonel_> rockstar:   thanks ..
[17:55] <rockstar> leonel_, no problem.
[19:37] <leonel_> How can delete a package from my ppa   the help says about  a  Deletion Page ..
[19:37] <cprov> leonel_: there is a link in you PPA page.
[19:39] <cprov> leonel_: 'Delete packages' (upper-right corner of the package list).
[19:41] <leonel_> sorry !!!  I guess  I must be logged on  ...
[19:41]  * leonel_ slaps leonel_ ...
[19:41] <leonel_> sorry ..
[19:41] <leonel_> I was looking on other machine that I was not logged on  ..
[19:41] <cprov> leonel_: no worries, I should have mentioned that ;)
[21:02] <kfogel> kiko: ping
[21:54] <kiko_> kfogel, lines were temporarily busy ;)
[21:54] <kfogel> kiko: oh, my ping is from when we got cut off before, no worries
[21:55] <kiko> kfogel, I know, was joking
[21:56] <kfogel> ah :-)
[22:42] <mwhudson> mdke: can you mark https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+question/44071 as solved, if indeed it is?
[23:11] <winferno> Hi, I have a (hopefully) easy question about the Launchpad interface. On my project page (https://launchpad.net/motzy) I'd like to know what I have to do to have the 'downloads' tab link to my PPA build of the project source. I can't seem to figure it out.
[23:15] <beuno> winferno, unfortunetly, that tab is only for uploaded files, not packages
[23:15] <winferno> beuno: Ok, thanks. I was getting frustrated!
[23:15] <beuno> it sure sounds like something we'd want to fix, so feel free to file a bug on Launchpad for it
[23:16] <winferno> Ok, I think I'll wait for now, I'm still learning launchpad so I feel swamped at the moment.
[23:17] <beuno> fair enough  :)
[23:18] <winferno> I have another question. I'd like to release 'dev' builds in to my PPA. I tried to use dput to upload a package with the same version and got a 'rejected' message saying 'you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution'. Is there a way I can keep updating a 'dev' package?
[23:19] <cprov> winferno: by using a new source name, 'foo' & 'foo-dev'
[23:20] <winferno> cprov: can you be more specific about 'source name'?


[00:24] <share> hi
[00:24] <share> im trying to change resolution for the ATI card
[00:24] <share> i dont have any xorg.conf
[00:25] <gr8m8> !xrandr
[00:25] <share> ATI Technologies Inc 264VT [Mach64 VT] (rev 40)
[00:25] <share> old
[00:25] <share> :\
[00:25] <gr8m8> not just for dual screens
[00:26] <share> im installing fdlrx
[00:26] <share> :x
[00:26] <share> i have no idea how to change the  resolution
[00:27] <share> i cant go up to 800x600
[00:29] <share> it installed ati catalyst control center
[00:30] <share> but i cannot open it
[00:30] <share> it says driver is not installed?
[00:30] <gr8m8> then install the driver maybe
[00:30] <gr8m8> !ati
[00:36] <share> gr8m8: no proprietary drivers
[00:36] <share> are in use
[00:36] <gr8m8> share: is there an option to select one to install
[00:36] <share> no
[00:36] <share> :\
[00:37] <gr8m8> I never bother with the proprietry drivers
[00:37] <gr8m8> maybe there isn't one for your card
[00:37] <gr8m8> since it is old
[00:37] <share> ..
[00:38] <share> aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
[00:38] <gr8m8> have a look at the x log to see why the resolution is limited
[00:38] <share> how can i check the logs
[00:38] <share> in xubuntu
[00:38] <gr8m8> in the file browser go to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:44] <share> bunch of stuff
[00:46] <share> gr8m8: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5mmbEuda
[00:48] <share> (insufficient memory for mode)
[00:48] <share> ?
[00:51] <gr8m8> share: your system mustn't have enough memory for the card to use some too
[00:58] <share> gr8m8: with XP i could use higher rest
[00:59] <share> i found the pc and it had XP on it
[00:59] <share> :P
[00:59] <share> and why i dont have xorg.conf
[00:59] <gr8m8> that would be due to diff drivers
[01:00] <gr8m8> you use /etc/X11/xorg.confd dir now
[01:00] <share> graphic drivers?
[01:00] <gr8m8> yep
[01:00] <gr8m8> I guess
[01:00] <share> well ol that im sure
[01:03] <andsss> Hi, anyone knows what is (rev0x) in lspci output means?
[01:03] <andsss> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[01:04] <gr8m8> I always thought it meant revision number 1, the first update of the firmware
[01:05] <gr8m8> I base that on no hard facts tho
[01:05] <andsss> thanks, im curious because there are solution for this 855GM but it stated for (rev02)
[01:07] <gr8m8> andsss: this has some tips for the gm cards - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel
[01:07] <andsss> gr8m8, ok checking
[01:13] <share> gr8m8: how can i change it to 16bit
[01:13] <share> maybe 24 doesnt support
[01:15] <gr8m8> share: look at the xrandr lnk ubottu gave earlier
[01:16] <share> "I installed ubuntu a few days ago, worked all fine except for the resolution... i could only get 800x600@75Hz. I tried pretty much everything I found here and here and managed to get the resolution up to 1024x768@75 Hz by editing the xorg.conf and reconfiguring the xserver... but now I'm stuck! I know that I can get a resolution of 1152x864@75 Hz since I had that on the same computer under windows xp. I'll post the code, maybe one of you has an idea. tha
[01:16] <share> how could he edit xorg.conf if i have none
[01:18] <gr8m8> share: look at the xrandr lnk ubottu gave earlier
[01:24] <share> (==) Using config directory: "/usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[01:25] <gr8m8> I told you that earlier :)
[01:25] <gr8m8> oh no - it says /usr/lib sorry
[01:25] <share> o.o
[01:25] <share> why dont have the xorg.conf
[01:26] <gr8m8> I've never seen that before - what's in there?
[01:26] <share> 05-evdev.conf  10-synaptics.conf  10-vmmouse.conf  10-wacom.conf
[01:26] <gr8m8> share: it has moved on and does things differently now - you can make one if you want or copy one from the net for your card
[01:27] <share> xorg.conf?
[01:27] <share> and place in /etc/X11/ ?
[01:27] <share> *place it
[01:28] <gr8m8> yep and yep
[01:29] <share> hm
[01:30] <share> so i copy this? http://ww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=648531
[01:30] <gr8m8> if it matches your card sure
[01:30] <share> :x
[01:30] <share> and how do i restart x
[01:31] <gr8m8> logout and log back in normally does it
[01:33] <share> hm
[01:33] <share> i dont know what im doing but ok
[01:33] <share> :D
[01:34] <gr8m8> share: you copy the text that is the xorg.conf from that forum
[01:34] <share> VideoRam 2000
[01:35] <share> and that xandr thing is complicated
[01:35] <gr8m8> find on the net a whole xorg.conf for your vid card first is what I'd do
[01:38] <share> lol
[01:38] <share> vnc stopped working
[01:40] <share> deleted xorg.conf now im back
[01:51] <share> if i could find the xorg.conf
[01:52] <gr8m8> what does   lspci | grep -i vga   return?
[01:52] <gr8m8> in terminal
[01:53] <share> 00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 264VT [Mach64 VT] (rev 40)
[01:53] <share> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
[01:53] <gr8m8> you'll have to block one of in the bios - is the ati onboard?
[01:54] <share> yes
[01:54] <gr8m8> check the x log you are prob using the sis graphics
[01:55] <share> what do you mean
[01:55] <share> prob
[01:56] <gr8m8> it is short for probably
[01:57] <share> i dont know
[02:03] <gr8m8> share: you could paste your x log
[02:03] <gr8m8> !paste | share
[02:04] <share> http://ww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=648531
[02:04] <share> that?
[02:04] <gr8m8> no
[02:05] <gr8m8> your x log and I can check what card you are using
[02:05] <gr8m8> use paste.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <share> where is the x log
[02:07] <share> >  /var/log/ .. ?
[02:10] <gr8m8> yep
[02:10] <share> but which fiel
[02:11] <share> file
[02:11] <gr8m8> didn't you look at it before and paste lines in here from it?
[02:11] <gr8m8> Xorg.0.log
[02:12] <share> 0 to 5 .log
[02:12] <share> i posted one
[02:12] <gr8m8> and ?
[02:13] <share> should i post the 5th
[02:13] <share> or the 0
[02:13] <share> again
[02:14] <gr8m8> the Xorg.0.log is the one that is from the current boot
[02:14] <share> (--) MACH64(0): ATI 264VT graphics controller detected.
[02:14] <gr8m8> so that one
[02:16] <share> gr8m8: http://pastebin.com/iLzSjFrg
[02:16] <gr8m8> so you need to find an xorg.conf that is for that card and if you are going to use the videoram option you need to make sure your system has enough memory
[02:17] <share> lol the memory is the same from windows xp
[02:17] <share> and it supports higher res
[02:18] <gr8m8> share: look at line 182 - that tells why it is limited
[02:20] <gr8m8> you can use 800x600 but you need to set the monitors hsync line 211 says that
[02:21] <share> i dont know man
[02:21] <share> what hsync i
[02:21] <share> s
[02:21] <share> or how to set it
[02:21] <share> gr8m8: now im not using a monitor
[02:21] <share> just vnc
[02:22] <share> but with monitor i cant use more than 800x6000
[02:22] <share> 600
[02:22] <share> how is it a memory problemm
[02:23] <share> ram or video card memory
[02:24] <gr8m8> you have to appreciate that for your older card ati didn't give out the specs so it was reverse engineered and 'cause it is so old noone's gone back to the old driver to update it
[02:25] <gr8m8> I don't know how to improve the resolution for vnc except find a xorg.conf file that'll work for you
[02:25] <share> hm
[02:25] <share> im going to connect to the monior
[02:25] <share> monitor
[02:25] <gr8m8> luck
[02:26] <share> i only found that xorg
[02:26] <share> and vnc stopped working dunno what happened
[02:27] <share> i cant even shutdown the computer properly lol
[02:37] <share> it pisses me off
[02:59] <share> grr
[03:10] <share> gr8m8: i made some progress
[03:10] <share> now im using 1024x768
[03:10] <share> 75hz
[03:11] <share> changed to 16bit
[03:11] <share> Section "Screen" Identifier    "Default Screen" DefaultDepth    16
[03:11] <share> EndSection
[03:17] <gr8m8> share: you found a xorg.conf to use?
[03:19] <share> yes a simple one
[03:19] <share> gr8m8: and yeah it's a memory problem
[03:19] <share> :p
[03:19] <gr8m8> that's what the log said
[03:20] <gr8m8> and logs don't lie
[03:20] <share> so i need 2048kB?
[03:20] <share> how many mb is that
[03:20] <gr8m8> 2mb
[03:20] <share> now RAm
[03:20] <share> video memory?
[03:22] <gr8m8> I think the onboard uses the system memory and you have a problem with that connection
[03:22] <gr8m8> by what the log said
[03:34] <share> hm
[03:34] <share> it's weird cause i have +500mb ram
[03:34] <share> and 8mb video memory
[03:34] <share> btw now the system is a little faster with 16bit
[03:34] <share> and looks better too
[03:35] <share> gr8m8: but i didnt solve the shutdown problem
[03:35] <share> it says: system halted
[03:40] <share> btw i used this xorg.conf http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=904b2c86c6844c393bd15dd35b9a042b&p=7783321&postcount=2
[04:01] <share> how can i make xubuntu run faster
[04:02] <share> changing window manager
[04:02] <share> ?
[04:11] <gr8m8> a lighter window manager, not using gdm to login, stopping services that aren't used - I'm sure there is a forum post on it
[04:12] <share> what wm you advice
[04:12] <share> i have stopped many useless services
[04:14] <share> Edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and put acpi=force
[04:14] <share> i dont have that file.. lol
[04:20] <gr8m8> you have grub2 now so you edit /etc/default grub instead
[04:20] <gr8m8> and run update-grub
[04:20] <gr8m8> you have grub2 now so you edit /etc/default/grub instead
[04:20] <gr8m8> and run update-grub
[04:24] <share_> gr8m8: btw in bios
[04:25] <share_> i have apm and acpi
[04:25] <share_> dunno if i should change something
[08:26] <deddly> How do I update the software catalogue in Softgware Center?
[08:26] <deddly> Software*
[08:29] <Sysi> there's propably button somewhere if it doesn't do it automatically
[08:33] <deddly> hmmmmm
[08:41] <deddly> Appartnely it's a known bug. Fixed now
[09:49] <deddly> My sound is really wierd. When I play a song, sometimes there is no sound at all, sometimes the song plays but with odd clicking, sometimes I just get a loud buzz like it's repeating part of the song over and over very fast and occasionally, though not often, the song plays with no problems. What is causing this and can it be fixed?
[09:49] <deddly> !es
[10:08] <GeoZoo> hi, someone out there ;-)
[10:19] <deddly> I'm out there
[10:19] <deddly> Still need help with my audio... My sound is really weird. When I play a song, sometimes there is no sound at all, sometimes the song plays but with odd clicking, sometimes I just get a loud buzz like it's repeating part of the song over and over very fast and occasionally, though not often, the song plays with no problems. However the song starts off, that's how it plays all the way through. What is causing this and can it be fixed?
[10:24] <GeoZoo> uh, that's sounds quite hard to have no good sound on your machine :( but sorry, i'm what they call a noob...
[10:25] <GeoZoo> do you have this problems by playing sound of your hdd or if you stream stuff as well?
[10:28] <nicofs> deddly, have you had a look at your soundcard/drivers yet?
[10:39] <GeoZoo> GoeZoo
[16:07] <MorphixNW> can anyone here help me with a touchscreen on 10.10?
[16:25] <MorphixNW> can anyone here help to install/calibrate a touchscreen on 10.10?
[16:50] <MorphixNW> can anyone please help me with touchscreen calibration on 10.10?
[16:52] <MorphixNW> I have an eGalax Touchscreen which does appear to be installed, however, the calibration is miles off and I cant configure it
[17:13] <josh1> how do I remove an item from the menu, I added a shortcut to a google chrome app and then removed the app, but I can't seem to figure out how to remove the shortcut in the menu
[17:18] <MorphixNW> is it possible to calibrate a touchscreen using xorg.conf to set the screen parametres?
[17:18] <MorphixNW> parameters*
[17:19] <josh1> how do I remove a shortcut from the main menu?
[18:20] <bodya> hi yo everybody. just installed xubuntu)
[18:20] <charlie-tca> !hi | bodya
[18:31] <MorphixNW> has anyone had experience setting up touchscreens? I have been trying to make this one work all day and my head is now hurting lol
[18:31] <MorphixNW> I think I just need to calibrate it, however, thats the tricky part
[21:24] <mark76> What's going on here? :/
[21:24] <mark76> Hey! You're all back :)
[21:25] <B-r00t> !netsplit
[21:40] <woodzy> hello
[21:53] <woodzy> i have a question: i am using xubuntu 10.10 with all recent updates; my panels disappeared. when i run xfce4-panel the following program comes up instead: gigolo file manager. how can i fix this so that my panels come back?
[21:53] <woodzy> or how can i reset my settings back to default?
[23:12] <saintly> hiya ppl, anyone able to answer a themes question?
[23:13] <saintly> nobody? lol i couldnt find anything online about it..
[23:14] <charlie-tca> Without knowing your question, no one can say whether or not they know the answer.
[23:14] <mark76> It might help if you asked the bleeding question first :p
[23:14] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[23:15] <saintly> alright well the bleeding question
[23:15] <saintly> is How do i go about installing a Moomex them into my Xubuntu 10.10
[23:16] <charlie-tca> !themes
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Well, that didn't help
[23:16] <saintly> lol
[23:16] <charlie-tca> add it to ~/.themes
[23:17] <saintly> itd be moomex 0.7.1, and i already have it installed.
[23:17] <saintly> itll be that easy then?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> Then select it in Applications -> Settings Manager -> Appearance
[23:17] <saintly> where do i find the ~/.themes file
[23:17] <charlie-tca> you create it
[23:18] <saintly> where do i Create the ~/.themes file. LOL
[23:18] <mark76> It should be there already Charlie
[23:18] <mark76> It's a hidden directory
[23:18] <charlie-tca> It's not normally there by default
[23:18] <mark76> Hmm. It was for me
[23:19] <mark76> Go to your home directory. Click on show hidden in the view menu
[23:19] <saintly> ahh
[23:20] <mark76> Bisto?
[23:20] <saintly> its .themes is it?
[23:20] <mark76> Yes
[23:20] <saintly> dont have it
[23:21] <mark76> Okay. So you need to make it
[23:21] <mark76> Tell him how to make a directory, chas :)
[23:22] <saintly> :D
[23:22] <charlie-tca> open a terminal
[23:22] <mark76> Right click on any white space in the filer amnager window
[23:23] <mark76> First option in the menu that pops up should be Create Folder
[23:23] <saintly> im there
[23:23] <mark76> I assume you're using thunar
[23:24] <mark76> Click on Create Folder and then enter the name as .themes
[23:24] <saintly> thunar? im srry, bit of a xubuntu noob...
[23:24] <mark76> It's the file manager
[23:25] <mark76> Just click on the Places menu or the Home icon on your desktop
[23:25] <mark76> If it's not already open
[23:25] <saintly> figured as much.. no i just use the home button on my desktop, says Saintly~File Manager
[23:25] <mark76> Which it probably is
[23:25] <saintly> ive made the .themes folder
[23:25] <mark76> Cool
[23:26] <mark76> Now drag the Moomin theme into it
[23:26] <MorphixNW> how can I copy files from one xubuntu machine to a ubuntu machine (like unc on windows)?
[23:27] <saintly> done, testing..
[23:27] <mark76> K
[23:28] <saintly> alright mark, so i just dup whatever files for themeing into this .themes file yeah?
[23:29] <mark76> Correct
[23:29] <mark76> Dup?
[23:29] <saintly> missed me m :D
[23:29] <mark76> Aha
[23:29] <saintly> thank ye kindly
[23:29] <mark76> Yep
[23:29] <mark76> You're welcome
[23:30] <saintly> odds are ill be back... though im surprised how few issues im having. this is a ten year old laptop and i had more trouble with Ubuntu on my 3 mnth old one.
[23:30] <mark76> Excellent news :D
[23:30] <MorphixNW> saintly: that is great
[23:31] <mark76> Could you ftp it, Morph?
[23:31] <saintly> :D ty, yeah 1/3 gig of ram, and its runnin like it has a solid 2gigs
[23:31] <MorphixNW> well I could, I am trying to find the easiest way
[23:31] <MorphixNW> does ubuntu have a UNC like thing?
[23:32] <mark76> Have you checked the repos?
[23:32] <MorphixNW> Saintly: I am running 1ghz CPU and 1GB with an 80GN HDD without a hitch
[23:33] <MorphixNW> mark76: yes but I am unsure as to the correct terminalogy
[23:33] <charlie-tca> I don't know what unc is, but I use nfs and ssh-fuse to see my other systems partitions
[23:33] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: do you know of a solution that is better than ftp?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> You can try scp
[23:33] <charlie-tca> uses ssh
[23:33] <MorphixNW> ssh? isnt that for remote terminal?
[23:34] <MorphixNW> can I use ssh for file tranfers?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Are both on the same machine?
[23:34] <MorphixNW> a) is Xubuntu 10.04 b) is ubuntu 10.10
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Linux doesn't care where the machines are physically, if they are separate machines, it works
[23:35] <MorphixNW> ok.... so using SSH how can I transfer a file?
[23:36] <charlie-tca> scp localfile username@ip:/dir/to/place/filename
[23:38] <MorphixNW> hmmmm that doesnt seem to work
[23:38] <MorphixNW> not enough detail i think, but I not sure
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Okay, do you have access to the machine you want to put the file on?
[23:40] <MorphixNW> yes
[23:40] <MorphixNW> its on my network, it is my media-centre
[23:40] <charlie-tca> On that machine,      scp username@ip:/dir/to/filename localfilename
[23:41] <MorphixNW> on the machine that has the file(s)?
[23:41] <charlie-tca> username is the login name, ip is the IPaddress of the machine
[23:41] <charlie-tca> no, the other machine that you want the file on
[23:41] <charlie-tca> All it needs is ssh-client on both machines, which is done by default during the installation
[23:42] <charlie-tca> scp is just "secure copy"; it is the same as copy, except using ssh across two physical machines
[23:42] <charlie-tca> so it is always scp source destination
[23:43] <MorphixNW> I am confused I am sorry :(
[23:44] <charlie-tca> I probably caused that confusion.
[23:44] <charlie-tca> typing on the system you want the file on
[23:44] <MorphixNW> ok
[23:44] <MorphixNW> I am there now
[23:45] <charlie-tca> scp username@ip:/dir/to/find/filename localfilename
[23:45] <MorphixNW> this is the machine
[23:45] <charlie-tca> username on the other machine
[23:45] <MorphixNW> so the first part is for the remote machine, the second "localfilename" is what and where I want it on this one?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> right
[23:46] <charlie-tca> the username@ip:   identifies the user and machine the file is at
[23:46] <MorphixNW> what if there is a space is the file or folder name?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> hmm, put the whole portion in quotes, I think<EMAIL_ADDRESS>"localfilename"
[23:48] <charlie-tca> or use a     \    in front of the space
[23:52] <MorphixNW> neither work :(
[23:52] <charlie-tca> :-(
[23:52] <charlie-tca> !nfs
[23:52] <charlie-tca> is next, then
[23:53] <MorphixNW> can I share a folder and then connect to it easier?
[23:53] <charlie-tca> maybe
[23:53] <charlie-tca> I don't really know, since I never tried it
[23:53] <MorphixNW> I would like an easy solution lol
[23:53]  * mark76 is glad he only has one computer
[23:53] <MorphixNW> sorry to say,  but windows made this easy
[23:53] <charlie-tca> easy solution, copy file to usb drive, move drive to other machine, copy file from usb drive
[23:54] <MorphixNW> surely, so did ubuntu
[23:54] <charlie-tca> maybe gigolo?
[23:54] <MorphixNW> usb isnt the best solution and it is the one I have currently
[23:55] <charlie-tca> When I started with this, we couldn't just share files between computers. thus, I learned NFS. Then I found out about fuse, and it was easy compared to NFS
[23:55] <charlie-tca> then along came gigolo, which I never tried to use
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Now I am using Dropbox, and ssh-fuse, and can share anything between my computers
[23:59] <bonixavier> why is xubuntu not lightweight?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> That depends on your definition of lightweight, doesn't it?
[23:59] <bonixavier> I just installed it and got over 200 MB consumption of ram for the base desktop


[01:16] <ximion> robert_ancell: I can likely package it next week, this week and at the weekend I have almost no time
[01:18] <ximion> that quirk stuff is a feature of appstream-glib and has nothing to do with the specification. I could only add a similar feature to the reference implementation, but since it is specified nowhere on how a developer is actually verified, it would just give people yet-another-bitfield that they can easily build themselves in their software center
[01:31] <robert_ancell> ximion, yeah, was wondering if you thought a boolean is sufficient for AppStream or it needs something more. In doing this feature in Ubuntu it really seems you want the verified part to be quite loosely defined because if you make it more complicated it loses its value (everyone ends up verified).
[01:31] <robert_ancell> ximion, I'll email you a diff for the appstream-glib update if you want
[01:32] <ximion> I think I've seen the patch, it doesn't affect the spec at all, only the extra fluff in asglib
[01:33] <ximion> for something in AppStream we would need to define some procedure on how we can actually verify the developer, which is going to be quite hard
[01:33] <ximion> (if not impossible - only a repository could do that, like Flathub or the Ubuntu store, which is out of scope for the AppStream metadata specification)
[01:35] <robert_ancell> ximion, right, this is very much something that comes from the store.
[01:35] <robert_ancell> I guess it must come out of band then.
[01:36] <robert_ancell> The meaning is very much "the store especially trusts this publisher, so you probably should to"
[01:36] <ximion> I could add something to libappstream that makes recording the information in AsComponent possible, but I don't think we can implement this in a way that works for all bundling systems in libappstream
[01:37] <ximion> yes, AppStream knows nothing about stores and stuff - the most it knows is bundle names and package names
[01:38] <robert_ancell> ximion, yeah, does it make sense for a repository to add such a flag when it collates the AppStream data together? An app definitely shouldn't be allowed to set this.
[01:39] <ximion> ah, now I see what you mean
[01:39] <ximion> the answer to that question is yes, maybe
[01:39] <ximion> something like <developer_name trusted="yes">Mozilla</developer_name>
[01:39] <robert_ancell> yes
[01:40] <robert_ancell> To stop someone publishing <developer_name>MOzilla</developer_name> that might confuse users
[01:41] <robert_ancell> (or more likely using obscure unicode to do something similar)
[01:41] <ximion> this will cause quite a bit of trouble when merging metadata though, we need to ensure that trusted flag gets dropped on any merge or data extension
[01:41] <robert_ancell> right
[01:44] <robert_ancell> ximion, I emailed you a patch to update appstream-glib
[01:45] <robert_ancell> I can't do merge proposals to salsa can I?
[01:45] <ximion> you should be able to do merge proposals...
[01:46] <ximion> but I never tested that
[01:46] <ximion> this patch is trivial
[01:46] <robert_ancell> yeah
[01:46] <robert_ancell> it's a pretty small update
[01:46] <ximion> I can't add it before Sunday though, I am travelling the whole day tomorrow and am at a wedding on Saturday, so I'll likely have close to zero time
[01:46] <robert_ancell> Mostly because *someone* added a new entry into a bitfield
[01:46] <robert_ancell> :)
[01:47] <robert_ancell> ok, np
[01:47] <ximion> if this is urgent for you, go ahead and upload the changed package
[01:47] <robert_ancell> ximion, I don't have Debian upload right
[01:47] <robert_ancell> s
[01:48] <ximion> ah, I thought you were DD :P
[01:48] <ximion> anyway, it's almost 4 am here, I really should sleep ;-)
[01:48] <robert_ancell> sorry, yes please do!
[01:48] <robert_ancell> Perhaps Laney is keen to upload, I'll CC him
[03:41] <duflu> RAOF, I've been toying with lowering colour temperatures to expand gamut coverage. Is that what you did? I vaguely recall you like it warm
[03:43] <duflu> Or is that just an accidental consequence of choosing a 6500K white point?
[04:45] <RAOF> That's just a consequence of choosing a 6500K white point.
[06:30] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:25] <seb128> good morning desktop, happy friday!
[07:25] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[07:30] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:31] <duflu> wie gehts?
[07:32] <duflu> I am stuck in ongoing bug and code review debates still. Feel like Friday's going nowhere, but if I escape the discussions that will be some progress
[07:33] <duflu> Oh. Morning oSoMoN, also
[07:34] <seb128> hey duflu, happy friday!
[07:35] <seb128> duflu, oh, arguing over what? still commit messages?
[07:36] <duflu> seb128, no, more sensible things like whether A is better than B
[07:37] <seb128> ah, well that's better indeed
[07:38] <seb128> is that still on the input lag thing?
[07:41] <duflu> seb128, No, which is good news
[07:42] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, hey duflu
[07:52] <duflu> mpt, remember that colour profile problem from a year ago? Can you say what type of GPU that was?
[07:55] <mpt> duflu, I’m using the same machine. What command do I use to get the GPU type?
[07:56] <duflu> mpt, Settings > Details should be enough
[07:56] <mpt> Graphics: Intel® 965GM x86/MMX/SSE2
[07:57] <duflu> Ta
[08:02] <Laney> ahoy, happy friday
[08:02] <duflu> Hi Laney. Back atcha
[08:05] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney mpt, how is the island today?
[08:07]  * duflu wonders what the definition of island is
[08:08] <duflu> That's enough wikipedia
[08:08] <mpt> seb128, day 114 of my confinement here. Panic is setting in. There are rumours of food shortages.
[08:08] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alney_Island
[08:08] <Laney> Island within
[08:09] <seb128> mpt, :-)
[08:11] <mpt> Hmm, if someone’s using Livepatch on 18.04 and they’re invited to upgrade to 18.10, do they get told “Hey, you won’t have Livepatch any more”
[08:16] <seb128> mpt, no
[08:18] <seb128> the livepatch page is disabled in the wizard and software-properties UI reflect it's not available iirc but there is nothing warning you directly before/during/after upgrade
[08:19] <willcooke> But you're not "invited" to upgrade to a non-LTS from an LTS though right?
[08:19] <seb128> indeed not, unless you changed the combo option
[08:19] <seb128> which defaults on LTS to "only suggest LTS upgrades"
[08:19] <seb128> in software-properties
[08:19] <Laney> what if you upgraded to that lts from a non-lts?
[08:19] <Laney> does it get set in that case?
[08:20] <seb128> good question, I don't think it changes on upgrade
[08:20] <seb128> it probably depends of the initial install
[08:20] <seb128> which would make sense
[08:21] <seb128> if you install artful and upgrade to bionic then you probably are not wanting to follow the LTS
[08:24] <seb128> well I'm saying that but unsure, probably better to check
[08:24] <seb128> not that it really makes a difference for livepatch
[08:33] <willcooke> So, keyboard aficionados....  I went cheap.  Surprise right?!
[08:33] <willcooke> I got this one:
[08:33] <willcooke> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B010IIKHBK/
[08:33] <willcooke> and it's really great!
[08:33] <willcooke> Would recommend it
[08:34] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:34] <willcooke> 'lo duflu
[08:34] <willcooke> Happy Friday afternoon
[08:35] <duflu> Looks clicky. I liked clicky till halfway through the 90's then got with the times ;)
[08:36] <willcooke> It is very clicky.
[08:36] <willcooke> It also has 100% anti-ghosting
[08:36] <willcooke> can confirm, no ghosts
[08:37] <duflu> That said, I think I might be going back. Not hipster back to a typewriter, but some audible feedback seems to help the brain
[08:39] <duflu> willcooke, that was fast. How quick is Amazon there?
[08:40] <willcooke> Next day on most prime things
[08:40] <willcooke> There's a big distribution centre in Milton Keynes which is about 30 miles away
[08:40] <willcooke> but even so, most Prime things are next day
[08:40] <willcooke> but an increasing number of things are now 2 day
[08:42] <duflu> Wow. Seems they offer the same to all of Australia now. I am used to everything taking a week (from one side to the other)
[08:44] <duflu> Clearly I'm not with the times any more
[09:02] <willcooke> Get yourself a clicky keyboard, then you'll be cool again
[09:03] <duflu> willcooke, popey, would anyone be able to close this topic for me? I think it's been going too long: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-video-playback-in-18-04
[09:03] <popey> sho thang
[09:04] <popey> done
[09:04] <duflu> Ta
[11:38] <Laney> THUNDER!
[11:44] <ginggs> nananana nana na na
[12:34] <tkamppeter> seb128, I have seen the buid problem of ghostscript. It is ppc64el-only, so how can one debug that? Is this some problem in the upstream code or in the build server?
[12:35] <tkamppeter> seb128, do we have some ppc64el expert who could look after that?
[12:51] <andyrock> Laney: hey, on spare time I tried to update gtk to 3.23.2
[12:51] <seb128> tkamppeter, use a porter box I guess and build there ... I don't know if it's stuck or just taking too long
[12:51] <andyrock> Laney: do you want me to propose it on salsa so you can have a look ?
[12:52] <Laney> hi andyrock, cool, sure!
[12:52] <Laney> there's probably a salsa bit and an LP bit?
[12:58] <andyrock> Laney: I only have the salsa bit for the moment
[12:59] <Laney> okey
[13:10] <tkamppeter> seb128, is ppc64el still important? Is it not some stone-old processor architecture?
[13:18] <andyrock> Laney: changes to salsa proposed, I think it's easier to wait for the debian/3.23.2 tag to be in salsa before starting working on the lp bits right?
[13:18] <Laney> andyrock: you can start to work by merging debian/master and then rebasing or re-merging once it is finalised
[13:19] <andyrock> kk
[13:19] <andyrock> debian/experimental right?
[13:19] <Laney> sure, whichever one you changed
[13:21] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for syncing gnome-bluetooth but that was not needed, I especially opened a bug on launchpad to say that I was going to do it once available, that feels like a bit stealing credit for work other did even if I know that's not the intend
[13:21] <jbicha> seb128: it autosynced
[13:22] <seb128> jbicha, well you closed the bug at least, comment applies still for that
[13:22] <seb128> there is enough to do that you don't need to jump on things being handled by others :)
[13:23] <jbicha> ok I won't touch bug 1786295 then 😐
[13:23] <seb128> thx :)
[13:24] <seb128> jbicha, btw you follow the evo stack more than me, do we want 3.29?
[13:24] <seb128> and do you plan to do those updates? :=
[13:24] <seb128> :)
[13:26] <jbicha> seb128: I did the 3.29 packaging but didn't upload yet because I didn't how to handle a conf file moving from evo to eds
[13:26] <jbicha> /etc/xdg/autostart/org.gnome.Evolution-alarm-notify.desktop
[13:27] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, hi
[13:28] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, I have mailed to doko because of the MIRs now and CCed you. Is there also some other prson in charge of MIRs in the case that doko is off for longer time (vacation, sick, ...)?
[13:29] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, thanks.  Just look at the members of ~ubuntu-mir
[13:30] <kenvandine> didrocks and cyphermox
[13:30] <seb128> tkamppeter, yes, ppc64el is important and it's "current", ppc was old not the 64el version
[13:30] <seb128> didrocks is on holidays for some weeks as well
[13:31] <seb128> jbicha, I'm unsure, I would just have the new binary Replaces the old one and not do anything special to handle the conffile, it's not really a conffile
[13:31] <seb128> well it is but not likely to be worth migrating
[13:32] <andyrock> seb128: does the diff comment here looks correct to you? https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/ccsm-python3/+merge/351940 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iP4cmCHf/image.png
[13:33] <jbicha> seb128: ok, I added the breaks/replaces and I'll just otherwise ignore the etc file, uploading now-ish then
[13:34] <seb128> jbicha, thx!
[13:36] <seb128> andyrock, that looks boggus to me, Breaks would be to use if it make the other package not work and usually are versioned, see https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[13:36] <seb128> andyrock, I would just not do anything in those case and let the old binding around/be autoremoved, unless they stop working with the new version?
[13:36] <jbicha> eds will be going through Debian's NEW queue
[13:36] <seb128> k
[13:57] <tkamppeter> seb128, do we have some ppc64el expert who could know what is happening with the ghostscript build?
[13:58] <seb128> tkamppeter, I don't think so, it's probably something ghostscript is doing, it either takes too long or it's stucked, you probably need to try a build on a porter box and see if's slow or stucked?
[13:58] <seb128> you can also try asking on #ubuntu-devel maybe Steve or someone from foundations has a clue
[14:30] <Laney> jbicha: you can probably rm_conffile it from the old package and pick up the .dpkg-bak file in the new one's preinst if it exists (rename it into place)
[14:30] <Laney> probably needs some kind of ordering relation
[14:51] <jbicha> Laney: hmm, I don't think I'm going to work on that for this case since it's unlikely for people to be making important customizations to that file
[14:51] <Laney> take your chances with the policy gods, I see
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, re udisks2, upstream reproduced and it's a bug in mdadm and they decided to skip the test until it's resolved ("This is a bug in mdadm on s390, it repors 2 "different" UUIDs for the array and it completely confuses udisks"), they also fixed some of the timing flakyness
[15:43] <seb128> xnox, ^
[15:46] <Laney> ah right
[15:46] <Laney> well, thanks for pushing it
[15:52] <seb128> np!
[16:09] <willcooke> Also Thunder!
[16:10] <Laney> 👏
[16:10] <Laney> there was some nice lightning
[16:33] <seb128> jamesh, kenvandine, did you see my ping on https://trello.com/c/T4kwJMKr/14-add-snap-support-to-gnome-builder ?
[16:35] <seb128> willcooke, and you https://trello.com/c/qdOBH0j7/51-talk-to-community-about-migrating-reviews-to-odrs ? ;)
[16:39] <willcooke> thank you seb128
[16:39] <willcooke> I will sort that next week for sure this time
[16:39] <kenvandine> seb128, looking
[16:57] <willcooke> happy weekend everyone
[16:57] <willcooke> see all y'all next week
[17:19] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm looking at bug #1717926 and it makes sense and looks good, what's the process to ack it and hand it back to the MIR team?
[17:20] <oSoMoN> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess mentions that the MIR team might delegate the decision to a particular team (which they did), but it doesn't say how that team should acknowledge
[17:22] <Laney> oSoMoN: looks like desktop-bugs is already subscribed, so probably a comment and fixing the status is good enough
[17:22] <Laney> and on that, night, happy weekend
[17:22] <oSoMoN> Laney, status back to "New" ?
[17:23]  * oSoMoN just installed debian stable in a VM, hadn't done that in ages
[17:23] <oSoMoN> the installer doesn't offer my keyboard layout by default, meh
[17:45] <oSoMoN> have a great week-end everyone!


[07:04] <ppisati> moin
[08:16] <smb> again... :-P
[08:50] <smb> apw, one way fail
[08:50] <smb> apw, meaning we hear you but not other way round :)
[08:54] <apw> smb, situation normal, thank you pulse
[08:54] <smb> As normal as any situation involving PA can be
[09:18] <caribou> smb: morning
[09:18] <caribou> smb: have you tried to use crash 6.1.0 on a Raring kernel ?
[09:19] <caribou> smb: I get "(no debugging symbols found)" on the <IP_ADDRESS> ddebs
[09:19] <smb> caribou, morning. maybe not. I honestly cannot remember...
[09:19] <caribou> smb: ok, just wanted to check; I'll investigate
[09:20] <smb> Though potentially I did with 3.7 based kernels.
[09:20] <smb> caribou, I would try to see how the last 3.7 we had works
[09:22] <caribou> smb: well, the ddebs are not available for 3.7 kernels in the archive
[09:23] <smb> caribou, Doh! Seems we would rely on whatever copy you or arges have. Since we cannot keep ours from vanishing.
[09:23] <caribou> smb: I'll check what I have
[09:23] <smb> Or re-build a kernel from git based on a tag
[09:25] <diwic> If we have bugs in 12.04 that are fixed by using the -lts-quantal kernel, would it be appropriate just to advice people to move to that kernel or should one spend time trying to backport fixes to 3.2?
[09:30] <infinity> diwic: Depends on the bug.
[09:31] <infinity> diwic: If it's flat-out hardware enablement, asking them to switch to our HWE stack is reasonable.  If it's rather something broken in 3.2, finding the commit that fixes it and pulling it into 3.2 is the right thing, IMO.
[09:32] <infinity> diwic: Keep in mind, also, that we don't have lts-backport on !x86.  So, if it's a bug that's not specific to some x86 hardware, not fixing it in 3.2 doesn't help, say, ARM users.
[09:32] <infinity> That was a lot of negatives.
[09:33] <diwic> infinity, hmm, ok
[09:33] <caribou> smb: ok, I found the ddebs, I just no longer have the original 3.7 kernel package
[09:34] <smb> caribou, Those should be on LP
[09:34] <caribou> smb: I have the <IP_ADDRESS> ddeb
[09:35] <caribou> smb: ok, got it
[09:35] <smb> caribou, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux/3.7.0-7.15
[09:45] <caribou> smb: ok, got everything I need, I'll let you know what I find
[09:46] <smb> caribou, cool. thanks
[10:13] <apw> ogra_, about ?  i have a kernel i'd like you to test if you have a chance
[10:23] <ogra_> now i am (i got a sick cat and need to spend 1-2h at the vet every day this week)
[10:23] <ogra_> apw, ^^
[10:24] <apw> ogra_, what fun
[10:24] <ogra_> yeah
[10:29] <janimo> apw, ogra_  said he'll land the userspace the orientation changes as soon as the kernel input side is changed for the nexus
[10:29] <apw> ogra_, ok ... so ...
[10:29] <janimo> I am fine with either chicken or egg first though, but users will need to be fully upgraded to have it working
[10:31] <apw> ogra_, ok ... once you have tested that one, i'll spin you another with janimos orientation change
[10:31] <apw> ogra_, so you can test your orientation fixes :)
[10:31] <apw> and when you are happy we can upload together
[10:31] <ogra_> given that the arm livefs builder is dead since days, i dont think we need to worry to much about ahlf a day delay between the uploads
[10:31] <ogra_> ok
[10:33] <ogra_> apw, perfect !
[10:33] <ogra_> i wonder why i still saw the wifi messages in my build
[10:33] <apw> ogra_, ok good.  i'll get your new one built in a minute
[10:33] <ogra_> totally silent with yours
[10:33] <ogra_> janimo, do you have the acceld changes handy ?
[10:34] <janimo> ogra_, yes, I'll paste them again, a moment
[10:34] <apw> ogra_, and note that the login screen doesn't have rotate
[10:34] <janimo> ogra_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585333/
[10:35] <apw> og
[10:35] <apw> ogra_, that fixes things once you are logged in, but at the password prompt ?
[10:35] <ogra_> apw, it will, as soon as i dropped the forced rotate from xorg.conf ;)
[10:35] <janimo> I think we have an xrotate call somewhere there, which needs to be dropped
[10:35] <apw> heh great
[10:37] <ogra_> janimo, line 6 is wrong :P
[10:38] <janimo> which is line 6? I think I only shuffled the matrix orders
[10:38] <janimo> ah, DIR='right'
[10:38] <janimo> is that the default orientation? Indeed that right is wrong
[10:39] <ogra_> right
[10:39] <ogra_> *grin*
[10:39] <janimo> that's why first tilt did not work I guess :)
[10:39] <ogra_> doesnt od any harm, but you need to rotate once to actually activate the rotation if thats wrong
[10:40] <ogra_> right, its one more tilt you need... i had the same issue in my foirst upload
[10:54] <ogra_> grrr
[10:54] <ogra_> i cant get the xorg.conf right :/
[11:32] <apw> ogra_, seemed to work for me
[11:32] <ogra_> great, uploaded the changes
[14:45] <ppisati> has it ever happened to you that, during a bisect with, with  commit X being good, and commit X +  Y being bad
[14:46] <ppisati> git bisect goes _behind_ commit X instead of picking one in between X and X+Y?
[14:55] <einonm> ppisati:  could be due to branching between X & Y?
[14:56] <rtg> ppisati, yeah, make sure its a linear range
[15:16] <apw> ogra_, ok all of those changes are in the -release pocket now
[15:18] <ogra_> yay
[15:39]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:39] <tseliot> apw: what's the source package for linux-image-3.1.10-9-nexus7 ?
[15:40] <apw> linux-nexus7
[15:40] <apw> tseliot, ^^
[15:40] <tseliot> apw: ok, thanks
[15:40] <apw> tseliot, need something ?
[15:42] <tseliot> apw: no, I just needed to know the name as I'm adding kernel names in my test suite for ubuntu-drivers-common so that I can tests for problems with my code and these name schemes
[15:46] <ogra_> tseliot, there is also linux-ac100 (tegra2)
[15:47] <tseliot> apw, ogra_: ok and do you know if linux-ti-omap4 has linux-headers-ti-omap4 etc.? (With this name scheme)?
[15:48] <ogra_> it should, yes
[15:48] <apw> it should be linux-headers-omap4
[15:48] <apw> and linux-image-omap4
[15:48] <ogra_> oh, right, the -ti is only in the source
[15:48] <apw> ti-omap4 is the source package name
[15:48] <apw> -omap4 is the flavour name
[15:49] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[16:18] <smb> arges, Out of interest, is the xen package again flagged broken in raring +1? Right now it won't compile in my sbuild chroots (even the version you uploaded). And as a second thing, can I prevent others from fixing it while I look? ;)
[16:39] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:39] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting today @ 17:00 UTC
[16:39] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:59] <zequence> apw: Am I expected to set the bug reports for regression-testing and/or Verification-testing to "fix released"?
[17:02] <arges> rtg: was the bug you were seeing, you could suspend with pm-suspend, but there was no way to do it via the menu, or Fn-F7 (on mythinkpad)
[17:02] <apw> infinity, i forget already what lowlatency testing was ... can you remind
[17:02] <apw> ie when we do the regression testing what we are meant to set to what
[17:03] <rtg> arges, I was just closing the lid. haven't really explored much further, but am uploading a bug report
[17:03] <arges> rtg: ok. i might be hitting the same thing
[17:04] <infinity> apw: If no lowlatency-specific bugs, mark verification-testing Fix Released if the parent kernel is done.
[17:04] <infinity> apw: If specific bugs, verify, then do above.
[17:05] <infinity> apw: For smoke testing, mark regressing-testing Fix Released, and tag the bug "qa-testing-passed" to appease the bot.
[17:05] <apw> zequence, ^^ :)
[17:06] <infinity> arges: If pm-suspend works, but various buttons and UI triggers don't, gnome-settings-daemon is probably wedged.
[17:06] <arges> hmm
[17:06] <zequence> apw: Thanks. I'll ask infinity some more, if I didn't get it yet :)
[17:06] <apw> zequence, so this has no specific patches for lowlatency it is a pure rebase
[17:07] <apw> zequence, so that means vefication-testing is not needed, so it can go Fix Released for no actions
[17:07] <rtg> infinity, pm-suspends works even after upowerd augers in
[17:07] <zequence> apw: Ok. Good
[17:07] <zequence> apw: But, I still add the tag?
[17:08] <zequence> Do I add it in a comment?
[17:08] <infinity> rtg: pm-suspend should always work, barring kernel bugs or massive userspace sadness.
[17:08] <infinity> rtg: But most of the higher level plumbing for this relies on gnome-settings-daemon being alive and willing to talk pleasantly to you.
[17:08] <rtg> infinity, right, 'cause I think about all it does these days is blat something into sysfs
[17:08] <infinity> rtg: Which doesn't sound like your sort of date.
[17:09] <apw> zequence, the otehr testing one once they are boot tested, mark regression-testing fix-released and add a tag in the tags field at the top as above
[17:12] <zequence> apw: So, this should be right then
[17:12] <zequence> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/regression-testing/+bug/1105146
[17:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1105146 in Kernel SRU Workflow verification-testing "linux-lowlatency: 3.5.0-23.22 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:12] <apw> zequence, well verification-testing is done as there is none,
[17:13]  * herton -> back in 1.5h
[17:13] <caribou> smb: FYI, the debug symbols were fine in he 3.7 kernel in Raring
[17:14] <smb> caribou, Ok. Thanks. Sounds like yet another thing moved around
[17:22] <apw> rtg, could you add me and cjw to the bug please, so we can see it
[17:22] <rtg> apw, ack
[17:23] <rtg> apw, done
[17:34] <jsalisbury> rtg, is there a public bug?    Else, I can see if I can reproduce it and create a public report.
[17:34] <rtg> jsalisbury, it'll be public as soon as the apport retracer runs
[17:34] <jsalisbury> rtg, ack
[17:36]  * ppisati goes out to find some food, before the food finds me
[18:00] <smb> apw, arges, So the xen build fail was actually two parts. One (for which I found reference on xen-devel) is that the check for needing librt was using clock_gettime but that is not requiring it anymore. The other (for which I could not yet be bothered to search) is some part using ulong wihtout including sys/types.h (which probably something else used to do).
[18:01] <smb> arges, I will include that in the stuff I am working on, so you won't have to worry about that ftbs :)
[18:01] <arges> smb: ok great! let me know if there is anything i can do to help
[18:02] <smb> arges, Just the usual grinding work for youknowwhat issues for the youknowho team... ;-P
[18:02] <arges> : )
[18:02]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:21] <apw> rtg, bjf, there will be a new upowerd in the archive 'immently' which should fix things up
[18:21] <bjf> apw, ack, i see there have been quite a few bugs filed against it
[18:45] <apw> bjf, well it at least fixes my 32bit systems
[18:47]  * smb -> donefortheday
[18:48] <apw> smb, done in by the day
[18:48] <smb> apw, Or so I guess :)
[19:41] <zequence> Ah, I can be really slow sometimes
[19:41] <zequence> Anyway, I think I got the bug handling for next time
[20:05] <apw> rtg, you pushed just before me dammit, but you forgot the acks for the second one
[20:05] <rtg> hmm, I thought I got both.
[20:06] <apw> rtg, and both are missing the bug numbers
[20:06] <rtg> apw, drat. why don't you push yours then since I'm clearly incompetent right now :)
[20:07] <rtg> I didn't tag yet
[20:07] <apw> :) ack
[20:07] <apw> rtg, yeah i'll wrapit and upload it
[20:07] <rtg> apw, ok
[20:07] <rtg> apw, I'm about done for the day anyways
[20:08] <apw> rtg np
[20:09]  * rtg is outta here. back on Feb 5.
[20:34] <infinity> smb: If the only reason it links librt is for clock_gettime, it doesn't need librt.
[20:34] <infinity> smb: (Though, --as-needed linking will sort that out anyway)
[21:24] <arges> computer suspends properly again! thanks
[22:54] <infinity> jjohansen: You have a few pending security-signoff tasks for the current SRU round still, FYI.
[22:55] <jjohansen> infinity: yep thanks for the poke, I'll get them done
[22:56] <infinity> jjohansen: All good.  I'm sure you'll get them done before cert finishes. :)