[01:57] <Xperiment68> ello all! Anyone care to help wewith a X driver issue?
[02:00] <shoopdewoop> so im trying to install lxde on my kubuntu 10.04 usb key on my netbook (dell mini 1010) but 'sudo apt-get install lxde' returns error: package not found
[02:06] <shoopdewoop> so im trying to install lxde on my kubuntu 10.04 usb key on my netbook (dell mini 1010) but 'sudo apt-get install lxde' returns error: package not found
[02:09] <slowz> shoopdewoop: have you tried to update the db. sudo apt-get update
[02:09] <shoopdewoop> ohhh rats thats a good point. thanks for the suggestion, ill try that!
[02:28] <Daskreech> And I'm back
[03:44] <shoopdewoop> so i got 10.04 running live on my netbook (dell mini 1010) and ran 'sudo apt-get <update | upgrade>' but for some reason 'sudo apt-get install lxde' still returns a package not found error
[03:46] <Daskreech> !info lxde
[03:46] <Daskreech> !info lxde 10.04
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> ^it was indeed available in 10.04
[03:46] <Daskreech> !10.04
[03:46] <Daskreech> !info lxde lucid
[03:47] <Daskreech> Yep it's there
[03:47] <shoopdewoop> strange
[03:47] <Daskreech> shoopdewoop, apt-cache search lxde
[03:47] <shoopdewoop> running
[03:48] <shoopdewoop> returned nothing
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> hmm, could you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:54] <shoopdewoop> how do i do that? (i copied the contents, but where do i paste it)
[03:55] <shoopdewoop> i found the pastes link
[03:55] <shoopdewoop> pasted the contents and hit paste, but it doesnt seem to have gone anywhere
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> shoopdewoop: there's an application called "pastebinit" that can take a file as a command line argument. It'll paste it for you and return the link
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> e.g. "pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> (you'll have to install it first, it's not included by default)
[04:01] <shoopdewoop> sudo apt-get install pastebinit?
[04:01] <Daskreech> how does he install with no sources.list :)
[04:01] <Daskreech> assuming he :)
[04:01] <Daskreech> shoopdewoop, that would be it
[04:01] <shoopdewoop> couldnt find package :P
[04:01] <Daskreech> heehee
[04:01] <Daskreech> shoopdewoop, paste.kde.org
[04:01] <shoopdewoop> isnt this joyous :P
[04:02] <Daskreech> paste the sources.list and then give us the new URL here
[04:05] <shoopdewoop> http://paste.kde.org/433514/
[04:07] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna, Those look sufficient to get sometstuff done
[04:07] <Daskreech> shoopdewoop, want to uncomment lines 18 and 30 ?
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> The universe repository lines are commented out
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[04:07] <Daskreech> Yeah. Some stuff
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> remove the '#' from lines 18 -23, and 30-35
[04:08] <shoopdewoop> 18 through 23, and 30 through 35, got it
[04:09] <shoopdewoop> done
[04:10] <Daskreech> shoopdewoop, save then type sudo apt-get update
[04:10] <shoopdewoop> got it
[04:11] <Daskreech> try the install for lxde now
[04:11] <shoopdewoop> "The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to /etc/apt/sources.list."
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> shoopdewoop: "kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> it'll prompt you for your password, and you'll be able to save it
[04:15] <shoopdewoop> okay
[04:18] <shoopdewoop> updating
[04:18] <Daskreech> \o/
[04:19] <shoopdewoop> done update
[04:19] <shoopdewoop> installing lxde! :D
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> :)
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> as an added benefit, you will now also be able to install security updates as they become available
[04:21] <shoopdewoop> huzzah!
[04:23] <shoopdewoop> now when its finished installing, i should just be able to logout and log back in with the new environment, correct?
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> right, there should be an "lxde" entry in the session box
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> (blue button with a down arrow on the default kdm theme)
[04:27] <shoopdewoop> right, alrighty, now its just a waiting game while it installs :P thanks for the help JontheEchidna and Daskreech
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> yw
[04:27] <Daskreech> sure
[04:28] <Daskreech> You'll have a few thousand applicatons to install now
[04:29] <shoopdewoop> haha i sure do :P another hopefully quick question: is there a graphics card driver or some such thing i should download so my screen resolution isnt stuck at 800x576? :P
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> unless you have an nVidia or ATi card, the default driver should be sufficient. If you have an nVidia or ATi card, you can get their non-open-source drivers by launching Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers from the KDE menu
[04:31] <shoopdewoop> youll cringe when i say it, but im running on a dell mini 1010 netbook :P
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, that has an Intel GMA 500
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> not very good driver support back in 10.04 (not sure if it's good yet, even)
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> Intel outsourced development of that graphics chip, and the company that made it didn't provide linux drivers
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> anyways, I'm off to do the dishes, then bed.
[04:36] <shoopdewoop> alrighty, thanks anyway!
[04:39] <shoopdewoop> for the record, i may have found a solution to my intel gma 500 issue:
[04:39] <shoopdewoop> http://code.google.com/p/gma500/wiki/PPARepository
[04:39] <shoopdewoop> http://www.internetling.com/2010/05/12/howto-intel-gma-500-poulsbo-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[04:40] <Daskreech> Hmm neat
[04:54] <meduser> good evening...anyone familiar with vmware?
[05:02] <Daskreech> meduser, Possibly. Is there a further question?
[05:05] <meduser> Daskreech:I was having issues installing and getting errors for linux headers, but I think I just figured it out..
[05:26] <Crell> Hi folks.  For reasons I do not understand, several applications are opening web links in Chrome.  I find that odd, as my default browser according to System Settings is Firefox.
[05:26] <Crell> Any idea why the mismatch?  It seems to be non-KDE apps that are affected, I think.  (Thunderbird, NetBeans, etc.)
[06:00] <Daskreech> hi bigbrovar
[06:01] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, anyone been able to get 5.1 surround output to work on kubuntu 11.10 (running kde 4.8 backport) I was able to enable surround in pulse audio but the phonon configuration tool doesn't have a 5.1 output profile for anything other than HDMI.
[06:01] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: Hi long time :)
[06:03] <Daskreech> :)
[06:03] <Daskreech> I've been reading http://whiteafrican.com/2008/08/26/an-interview-with-appfrica-founder-jon-gosier/
[06:04] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: oh cool will check it out
[06:06] <Daskreech> I've never understood if a soundcard needs drivers for pulse specifically for certain advanced features
[06:07] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: apprantly to get PA to output 5.1 is pretty easy.. but since phonon feeds from pulse audio .. I can't not get a profile from phonon which outputs 5.1
[06:08] <Daskreech> Ah that would be different
[06:08] <Daskreech> WHat are you playing through ?
[06:13] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: I don't get.. playing as in the music I am playing? I just got a home theater sound system and I want to connect it to my laptop
[06:13] <bigbrovar> but without 5.1 output I would be under utilizing the sound system]
[06:14] <Daskreech> Right what player are you using to play the music ?
[06:18] <cancer> Hi, Can anyone help me installing Sound drivers?
[06:21] <Daskreech> !anyone
[06:25] <cancer> Hi, Can anyone help me installing Sound drivers?
[06:29] <cancer> Hi, Can anyone help me installing Sound drivers?
[06:37] <cancer_> What with kubuntu, everytime i switch tabs or maybe is only freeze after few minutes and then i have to restart my pc
[06:38] <cancer_> What with kubuntu, everytime i switch tabs or maybe is only freeze after few minutes and then i have to restart my pc
[06:40] <cancer_> Please Help.
[07:05] <Daskreech> cancer, with?
[07:22] <cancer> daskreech: when i move mouse on any tab that is minimized it brings up little box, i want to disable that. i am new in kubuntu. i reached to style -system settings. please help in this case.
[07:22] <cancer> daskreech: when i move mouse on any tab that is minimized it brings up little box, i want to disable that. i am new in kubuntu. i reached to style -system settings. please help in this case.
[07:37] <cancer> Can anyone help?
[07:37] <cancer> I have sound and Graphic problem. There is no sound and no graphics drivers installed
[08:05] <Daskreech> cancer, What box?
[08:33] <krise_> kubuntu 12.04 - how can get my right klick working on HP Probook 4520s
[09:21] <cancer> Can anyone tell me how to install or configure Sound & Graphic(Nvidia) drivers. Kubuntu (Wubi)
[10:10] <delight> kde-systemsettings-proxy is not picked up by the browsers (chromium, chrome ...)
[10:10] <delight> in 12.04 LTS ...
[10:11] <cancer> No sound Kubuntu (wubi), Any Help?
[10:14] <cancer> No sound Kubuntu (wubi), Any Help?
[10:15] <cancer> Why don't anyone tell the solution
[10:20] <cancer> No sound Kubuntu (wubi), Any Help?
[10:38] <delight> cancer: <<< maybe its your nickname
[10:39] <delight> just a tip: you didn't even mention what version u use
[10:39] <cancer> delight: yep
[10:39] <cancer> latest kubuntu
[10:40] <delight> number ?
[10:40] <cancer> kubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386
[10:41] <delight> try removing .pulse folder and .pulse-cookie
[10:42] <cancer> i know nothing. please be specific
[10:42] <cancer> tell me how?
[10:42] <delight> rm -r ~/.pulse*
[10:42] <cancer> donw
[10:43] <delight> logout + login
[10:43] <delight> see if it helped
[10:44] <cancer> delight: i didn't used "*" in command, is that ok.
[11:52] <cancer> almoxarif:
[11:52] <ikonia> cancer: please stop that
[12:06] <almoxarife> ikonia: cancer: please stop that <-- be kind, he does not have an idea on how to start a pm
[13:19] <Specialist> Hi there, I just tried to upgrade my Oneiric install to KDE 4.8.0 from the backports PPA. This worked fine on my laptop, but on my desktop I get the following error message after the download has completed:
[13:19] <Specialist> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'kjots'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:19] <Specialist> Any ideas?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Specialist,  run , sudo dpkg --configure -a , then update/upgrade again
[13:21] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Unfortunately, this has no effect
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Specialist,  it will onl;y show an error if there's a problem
[13:22] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Should `sudo dpkg --configure -a` produce any output?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> only if you have a problem
[13:23] <BluesKaj> now update and upgrade again
[13:23] <Specialist> Same error message, but no output from the previously run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:24] <Specialist> just to make sure: I did: sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:24] <Specialist> The latter produces the mentioned error message
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Specialist,  do you need kjots ? if not remove it and use klipper
[13:27] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Nope, but when I try to remove it, it wants to remove my complete KDE install: http://pastebin.com/ajqzHdBj
[13:28] <BluesKaj> specialist , is it interfereing with other removals or installs ?, if not just ignore it or file a bug
[13:28] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Which other removals or installs do you mean? I had no pending updates before adding the backports ppa
[13:29] <Specialist> I also double-checked that I do not have any potentially conflicting PPAs configured
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Specialist,  if you decide to remove a package or install one
[13:31] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Well, due to the error message, the update from KDE 4.7.4 to 4.8.0 is stuck ;-)
[13:31] <Specialist> So, I would say, it does interfere... ;-)
[13:31] <BluesKaj> try installing an application
[13:31] <BluesKaj> or a reboot , even
[13:33] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Installing an unrelated package works, so I'll probably just file a bug for kubuntu-ppa
[13:35] <BluesKaj> ok , good so it's not blocking installs at least ...there may be a fix for it if you check launchpad ..probly a patch or another ppa
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Specialist,  also you may want to chaeck with the ppl at #kubuntu-devel , they're very knowledgaeable about kde 4.8's problems
[13:37] <Specialist> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll give that a try!
[13:37] <BluesKaj> right
[14:10] <bigbrovar> does the last stable release of alsa work with Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro  on a linux distro with kernel 3.2x ? has anyone gotten it to work.. I am just trying to do due diligence by researching an hardware before buying
[14:16] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  difficult to say that it will works with alsa only ...with pulseaudio (which is installed by default ) that soundcard should work just fine
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go ...bb in a few hrs
[14:40] <ibiwro> Hello! I got this update process - http://paste.ubuntu.com/869930/ - which takes around 1 minute to complete and takes time on lines marked with asterisk in the paste. Is there a way to fix it without removing those sources? Secondly, I'm KDE 4.7.97 version and adding kubuntu-ppa/backports after update, upgrade asks for 559MB of data to be downloaded.. is that right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/869933/
[14:40] <ibiwro> 2 minutes*
[14:50] <bigbrovar> Hi guys I am looking for a good usb 5.1 surround capable sound card for linux.. can anyone recommend a good one? I am looking at the creative sound blaster X fi pro but I can't seem to find any information if that works with alsa on linux
[14:57] <Sentynel> bigbrovar: I have an x-fi of some description, which works fine
[14:58] <bigbrovar> Sentynel: thanks, were u able to get 5.1 surround to work? or just stereo
[14:58] <Sentynel> bigbrovar: surround works
[14:58] <AD> HAs anyone here experimented with the muon suite 1.3.0 to try and fix some of the issues with it?
[14:58] <Sentynel> bigbrovar: note, I use pulseaudio, and have for a few years, but it worked fine with alsa before then too and I doubt it's subsequently been broken
[14:59] <AD> I was getting seg faults with Software centre every time I opened it, but have gone to 1.3.0 and that no longer happens.
[14:59] <bigbrovar> Sentynel: thanks I use Pulse Audio
[15:11] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  I use pulseaudio with my m-audio 192 soundcard which is not a mainstream card and it works well, even tho I've never been a fan of pulse myself . I kind of blame alsa for not keeping up with changes in webaudio and flash audio especiially
[15:13] <markus> moin
[15:15] <ibiwro> Hello! I got this update process - http://paste.ubuntu.com/869930/ - which takes around 2 minutes to complete and takes time on lines marked with asterisk in the paste. Is there a way to fix it without removing those sources? Secondly, I'm KDE 4.7.97 version and adding kubuntu-ppa/backports after update, upgrade asks for 559MB of data to be downloaded.. is that right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/869933/
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ibiwro,  yes that's correct , kde 4.8 is a new desktop essentially upgrading all default packages . do a regular update upgrade then a dist-upgrade
[15:35] <ibiwro> BluesKaj: Ah-ok. And then what abou the delay? http://paste.ubuntu.com/869930/
[15:35] <ibiwro> about*
[15:36] <BluesKaj> ibiwro,  dunno
[15:43] <Sentynel> ibiwro: google's repos are always slow to update for some reason
[15:43] <Sentynel> I guess you're using Google Earth or something which adds those?
[15:47] <ibiwro> Sentynel: Google voice/video plugin
[15:48] <Sentynel> ibiwro: you can remove the google repo from your sources.list.d, but you'll have to remember to manually add it back to update your google software; or you can just put up with it
[15:49] <ibiwro> Sentynel: Right, that can be done. Thanks :)
[15:50] <Sentynel> ibiwro: you can also stop it from getting translations, but as far as I know that's only possible on a global rather than particular repository basis
[15:50] <ibiwro> From getting translations as in?
[15:50] <ibiwro> Stop getting translations as in?*
[15:51] <Sentynel> ibiwro: that's what the lines you've marked as slow are; attempting to fetch package lists for translations from the google repository
[15:51] <Sentynel> which is presumably failing slowly
[15:52] <ibiwro> Ah, yes.
[15:53] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: Thanks I would also check that out.
[15:53] <ibiwro> Sentynel: Does Ign imply something to Ignore? Hit - successful etc ...
[15:55] <bigbrovar> Sentynel: BluesKaj in a related question, I am unable to get 5.1 anolog output from phonon settings I only get anolog 5.1 hdmi output, .. this is a laptop with intel HDA series 5 audio card, does this mean that my graphic card does not support 5.1 surround? (though the documentation said it does) or could it be just because its a laptop and and hence limited by the stereo speakers and 3.5 mm jack'
[15:58] <Sentynel> ibiwro: get means it downloaded new package lists, hit means it checked it but the timestamps matched so there were no changes; ign means there's no changes in the pdiff index file and it wasn't downloaded
[15:58] <Sentynel> ibiwro: as far as I'm aware, anyway
[16:00] <chris____> hello
[16:01] <ibiwro> Sentynel: Ah so the google repo took that much time only to check for changes in pdiff index. Thanks for the info
[16:05] <c_smith> hello, I'm running into a problem with the network manager and kwallet in Kubuntu 11.10, when I start the system up, I get the prompt for Kwallet for the network manager, yet it never follows through and connects, I've tried deleting the Kwallet and Kwallet config, and delete the connection and rebooting, to no avail, is there anything else I can try?
[16:13] <designbybeck_> SECURITY QUESTION: The wifi login on Ubuntu/Kubuntu, even for the most secure PEAP / Enterprise password login, can been seen with "Show Password" , How in the world can this be considered secure. If you are trying to login to your companies wifi with your credentials. and all anyone has to do is click Show Password, now they know your companies login info!?
[16:20] <Crajson> Hi, Ive heard that Kubuntu will not be supported by Ubuntu anymore? Is that true, or will it still be developt in the future?
[16:20] <phloog> designbybeck_: Huh=
[16:20] <phloog> designbybeck_: the checkbox just toggles whether anything you *type* in the PW field is written in plain to the screen, instead of ***
[16:20] <designbybeck_> yes
[16:21] <designbybeck_> when you are on wifi
[16:22] <phloog> designbybeck_: this only works if your wallet is open
[16:22] <phloog> so a random person sitting on my laptop when I'm not around (very unlikely) would need to know / guess my wallet PW
[16:22] <phloog> to be able to make the check at "show PW"
[16:23] <designbybeck_> i'm talking about the Wifi network manager windows phloog, I just have always thought it was odd that you can click show password
[16:23] <phloog> yeh but it is protected by your wallet PW
[16:23] <phloog> if it's stored
[16:23] <James147> designbybeck_: you shouldnt type in a password and leave your computer... so no one but you should be able to click the "show password" button.... but if you want/need to check what you typed in you can see
[16:23] <phloog> and wallet by default closes again after some minutes
[16:24] <designbybeck_> these are public training laptops we use
[16:24] <phloog> James147: If the wallet is open he has a valid point, cause the stored PW can still be accessed via "show PW", even if you didn't type it in again
[16:24] <phloog> designbybeck_: Did you read what I wrote about the wallet?
[16:24] <designbybeck_> i guess I can start letting them use the "student/guest" login on the wifi
[16:24] <phloog> set its default close-time to 1 minute
[16:24] <designbybeck_> yes phloog, and on my personal/work laptop i have it setup that way
[16:24] <designbybeck_> but these public access laptops is a little differenet
[16:25] <James147> phloog: you can set kwallet to lock after application stop using it or after some time... if the wallet is unlocked application (and users) should be able ot access it...
[16:25] <phloog> Yes
[16:25] <phloog> and that's what prevents the security issue designbybeck_ wrote about
[16:26] <phloog> cause you don't constantly need access to your wifi PW. only if you wanna enter it, or modify your connection. And for that, 1 - 2 minutes are enough, if your paranoid. Or 10, if you aint
[16:30] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  open phonon>'audio hardware setup' tab and set your analog outputs there
[16:30] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: I did but I only see analog stereo no analog 5.1
[16:31] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  that's the pulseaudio settings , also installing pavucontrol gives more options as well
[16:31] <James147> bigbrovar: try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#Surround_sound_systems to enable 5.1 in pulse
[16:32] <James147> (i beilve the config is in the same place for ubuntu)
[16:32] <bigbrovar> I have pavucontrol installed same thing I see analog stereo but no analog 5.1 output .. only analog 5.1 hdmi output
[16:32] <bigbrovar> James147: thanks will check that out.. archwikis what would we do without them
[16:33] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  yeah , seems stereo is a misnomer , if you have 5.1 in the audio codec , then 5.1 should work
[16:34] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  what chip does alsamixer show ?, maybe you could pastebinit
[16:37] <bigbrovar> http://pastebin.com/dBRF1jmT
[16:37] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/dBRF1jmT
[16:42] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: alsamixer shows Card: HDA Intel , Chip: Intel IbexPeak HDMI
[16:44] <designbybeck_> ok off the wifi thing,... now on to Theming Kubuntus  Login
[16:45] <designbybeck_> on the public access computer.... They have a few windows computers that just login after the user clicks an OK button. They have a public access discalmer listed
[16:45] <esmirlin> hey guys is it possible to have one transparent panel and another one opaque?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  try James147 suggestion for  /etc/pulse/daemon.conf  file settings and the url he posted
[16:45] <designbybeck_> I want to put that same disclaimer on the Public Linux computer
[16:51] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  also we need to know which driver is required , lspci -nn | grep -i audio
[16:56] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  you probly have 2 devices listed for one soundcard , hdmi seems to be treated as a seperate output , sudo aplay -l , pastebin the output pls
[17:00] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/gdaEAjde Thanks
[17:03] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  sudo modprobe snd_sta92xx
[17:04] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: FATAL: Module snd_sta92xx not found.
[17:04] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar,  sudo modprobe snd_sta92 ...maybe , not familiar with driver name
[17:06] <BluesKaj> ok bigbrovar lets the try the intel driver , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[17:08] <bigbrovar> the last command returned me to my prompt
[17:09] <ibiwro> Sentynel: Is it right that if I add kubuntu-ppa/beta to repo and do dist-upgrade than I'll get packages to upgrade to 12.04 now.. and if I add kubuntu-ppa/backports and upgrade would download latest KDE packages? I mean to ask that if I've both kubuntu-ppa/beta and kubuntu-ppa/backports then upgrade will fetch from backport and dist-upgrade from beta ...
[17:09] <Sentynel> ibiwro: no, it doesn't work like that
[17:10] <Sentynel> ibiwro: the kubuntu-ppa/beta repository contains KDE beta packages, not Kubuntu beta
[17:10] <ibiwro> Sentynel: So having both beta and backports is not advisable?
[17:11] <Sentynel> ibiwro: the command to upgrade to 12.04 is do-release-upgrade -d. apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade will only upgrade packages on your current version; the difference is dist-upgrade will add and remove packages if necessary to complete the upgrade
[17:11] <Sentynel> ibiwro: you can have both backports and beta, sure
[17:12] <Sentynel> ibiwro: but I don't think there's actually anything in the beta one at the moment that's not been released in the backports one
[17:12] <ibiwro> backports to be on latest KDE and beta to try/test new beta versions
[17:12] <Sentynel> right
[17:12] <ibiwro> ah-ok
[17:12] <ibiwro> It even goes to backports after testing
[17:13] <ibiwro> and then Kubuntu brings it front as per its release cycle
[17:13] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: what do u think could be the problem?
[17:14] <ibiwro> Right?
[17:14] <Sentynel> ibiwro: yeah
[17:14] <ibiwro> Thanks for clarifying that, Sentynel
[17:21] <AD> Hi, I've just installed wine onto my system with sudo apt-get, and everything seems to have gone well, I'm now left with a terminal tab filled with the EULA for 'Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer' Is it safe to close the terminal tab and simply run wine at this point?
[17:24] <Sentynel> AD: it's probably not done with setting up packages; you'll need to accept or reject the eula and let apt finish
[17:25] <AD> Sentynel: I'm not sure how I can accept the EULA.
[17:26] <Sentynel> AD: well, try paging down or the arrow keys until you find accept and reject buttons
[17:27] <AD> Sentynel: The <OK> at the bottom is not clickable, Enter has no effect, and there's no way it seems to type any other commands in.
[17:27] <Sentynel> AD: iirc right arrow should select it
[17:27] <BluesKaj> AD, let upgrade finish , don't close the terminal until it returns to the prompt , scroll down to find the accept and use the tab key highlight it then enter
[17:28] <AD> Sentynel: Indeed it does. I wasn't aware of that method, thank you.
[17:29] <realnot> hi guys, i've some problem to find wpa_supplicant.conf on kubuntu
[17:29] <AD> Install now finished, and I'm back at the prompt. Thanks again.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> realnot, , which wifi chip?
[17:30] <realnot> my wifi connection on kubutu work very well, but i want see the configuration... for example: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/561258/ i need same data
[17:31] <realnot> BluesKaj: chip?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> realnot,  nevermind the chip , alt+f2 ksesudo kate /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[17:32] <BluesKaj> kdesudo
[17:36] <realnot> BluesKaj: Are two days that I try to configure the network on Gentoo, using WEP-PSK TKIP with ATH9K_HW driver, wpa_supplicant and NetworkManager but without good result.  I want to see the configuration file of Kubuntu, wpa_supplicant.conf and wlan0 interface
[17:38] <realnot> BluesKaj: with your cmd i can't get any result... only wpa_supplicant on kate without words
[17:40] <realnot> *It's been two days, and WPA-* im sorry for my bad english :(
[17:46] <realnot> I found some configurations file of wpa_supplicant.conf in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ but where is the wpa_supplicant.conf file?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> realnot, open a terminal , find  wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:49] <ssfdre38> hey how can i fix http://paste.ssfdre38.com/68 so i can update
[17:49] <BluesKaj> realnot,  or locate  wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:54] <BluesKaj> ssfdre38,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 ,then , sudo apt-get update, then, sudo apt-get install launchpad-getkeys, then ,Once installed, to import all the missing GPG keys for your PPAs, simply use the following command: sudo launchpad-getkeys
[17:55] <realnot> BluesKaj: yes, but... is different.. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/wpa_supplicant.conf.5.html
[17:56] <BluesKaj> realnot,  good , then follow the tutorial there ..it will help you get wpa_supplicant working
[17:57] <realnot> :(
[17:57] <realnot> ty for support and you time ;)
[17:57] <realnot> *your
[17:58] <BluesKaj> realnot,  wpa_supplicant can be difficult , wpa-psk is recommended not wep-psk
[19:09] <noaXess> hey all
[19:10] <noaXess> if i double click on eg. a xml file, it wil be opened in firefox instead of kate, which is set to open it as default, any hint?
[19:13] <noaXess> seems that dolphin has this problem.. in konquerror file manager it opens in correct app..
[19:13] <jEhrichs> right-click on the file in dolphin, select "Open With" and check the box "Remember fiel association
[19:14] <jEhrichs> this should be enough
[19:14] <noaXess> jEhrichs: already done...
[19:14] <noaXess> doesn't make any changes
[19:14] <jEhrichs> *mhh*
[19:14] <jEhrichs> thats the only way I know
[19:15] <noaXess> jEhrichs: found something.. http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=98549
[19:15] <qbit> if it works on Konqueror it means the systemsettings -> file associations is probably OK
[19:15] <noaXess> exact my problem
[19:16] <qbit> if it only does this in Dolphin it may be a problem with Dolphin, I know there are lots of bug fixes due out for Dolphin in KDE 4.8.1 coming soon
[19:17] <noaXess> qbit: aha.. ok
[19:17] <jEhrichs> never had problems with this method before, but never changed it for xml files. Seems to be a dolphin or kde bug
[19:17] <noaXess> check this.. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291177
[19:17] <qbit> you might look at the list of upcoming Dolphin fixes and see if that is on it
[19:18] <noaXess> qbit: where i get this list of fixes for dolphin?
[19:18] <jEhrichs> http://freininghaus.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/dolphin-bug-fixes-in-kde-4-8-1/
[19:19] <qbit> ah - that bug report seems to be more accurate and seems like it's not specifically Doplhin
[19:20] <qbit> and that looks like the same list I saw somewhere else
[19:22] <qbit> so hopefully this might get addressed for 4.8.1
[23:13] <nuse> has anyone noticed window animations being not consistent? i don't know what update did it but sometimes my programs scale out instead of minimizing to the tray
[23:13] <nuse> its not often but often enough to annoy me
[23:28] <nuse> no?
[23:28] <nuse> alright, fair enough
[23:32] <shoopdewoop> so ive been running 10.04 off a usb key on my netbook (dell mini 1010) and all's been well after a few tweaks, but now ive installed it alongside winxp, and it brings me to an emergency prompt at the splash screen
[23:37] <shoopdewoop> also, how might i go about removing lxde (i dl-ed it to try it out, but id prefer to switch back. i realize i could from the login screen, but i cant get there from the live session)
[23:44] <shoopdewoop> so ive been running 10.04 off a usb key on my netbook (dell mini 1010) and all's been well after a few tweaks, but now ive installed it alongside winxp, and it brings me to an emergency prompt at the splash screen. also, how might i go about removing lxde (i dl-ed it to try it out, but id prefer to switch back. i realize i could from the login screen, but i cant get there from the live session)


[09:54] <WaVeR> !lococouncil
[14:48] <wxl> WaVeR: just fixed the factoid for the current council
[14:48] <wxl> !lococouncil | @wxl
[14:48] <wxl> ugh
[14:48] <wxl> !lococouncil | WaVeR
[14:49] <wxl> i can tab complete :/
[15:20] <WaVeR> wxl>  thanks a lot ;)
[15:20] <wxl> np WaVeR :)
[15:21] <WaVeR> wxl>  I should get in touch with the loco council for Ubuntu-CH
[15:21] <WaVeR> do you know when it's planed for the re-validation ?
[15:21] <wxl> WaVeR: yeah the fact that they haven't replied probably has some telling :) i would suggest emailing them
[15:22] <WaVeR> wxl>  I'll do so. Thanks ツ
[15:22] <wxl> WaVeR: were you in the last meeting?
[15:22] <wxl> doesn't look like it
[15:22] <wxl> and i don't see you on the agenda currently
[15:22] <WaVeR> wxl> not at all. Haven't received any invitation
[15:23] <wxl> oh yeah it's not really an invitation sort of event :)
[15:23] <WaVeR> Can you provide me the url please
[15:23] <wxl> you get to invite yourself!
[15:23] <WaVeR> ^^
[15:23] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[15:23] <wxl> you'll see the next meeting is in less than 2 weeks, so make sure you have your ReVerification Application compeleted and linked on the agenda
[15:25] <WaVeR> wxl>  I'll add the page there. Can you extend our team on Launchpad ?
[15:26] <wxl> WaVeR: not being on the council any more, i doubt i have that ability. i would suggest emailing.
[15:26] <WaVeR> wxl>  someone removed my entry
[15:26] <WaVeR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda?action=diff&rev2=383&rev1=380
[15:26] <wxl> WaVeR: also remember it is still holiday season in much of the native english speaking world, so patience is good
[15:27] <wxl> i don't see Ubuntu-CH mentioned there
[15:27] <WaVeR> || SwissTeam || Re-Verification and requesting a new deadline extension || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/ReVerificationApplication2017 ||
[15:27] <wxl> oh
[15:27] <wxl> that ch
[15:27] <wxl> hahahahahah
[15:27] <WaVeR> =)
[15:27] <wxl> one second
[15:28] <wxl> go do won 20:56 in the full irc logs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Minutes/20171211 to see the discussion of your team
[15:28] <wxl> note that there was no one representing the team and that there was a bit of confusion
[15:28] <WaVeR> wxl> 10x a lot
[15:29] <wxl> i would suggest reading there and modifying your application appropriately
[15:29] <wxl> they did carry a vote to give a 2 month extension as you can see
[15:30] <wxl> also i see your team is currently a member of ~locoteams-verified
[15:30] <wxl> it does expire in two days admittedly :/
[15:31] <wxl> which doesn't seem like 2 months to me!
[15:31] <wxl> let's see if i can extend you
[15:32] <wxl> no, unfortunately. the cc's ownership of lc which owns verified teams doesn't pass all the way through
[15:33] <WaVeR> :s
[15:33] <wxl> so therefore, i'd just suggest emailing and asking them to extend at least until the next meeting, if not for the full 2 months (until 11 February 2018) they voted on
[15:34] <wxl> meanwhile, get yourself on that agenda
[15:34] <WaVeR> Strange the Loco council can't see that we're a verified team since years :P
[15:34] <wxl> and fix your application!
[15:34] <WaVeR> wxl>  I can't see on their discussion what's wrong with the application ?
[15:34] <wxl> from what i can see here, there's no question as to whether or not you have been verified
[15:35] <wxl> the issue seems to be whether or not you're active
[15:35] <wxl> because:
[15:35] <wxl>  1. you have no loco directory that is up to date
[15:35] <wxl>  2. there are few events on the application
[15:35] <wxl>  3. the application says DRAFT XD
[15:35] <wxl>  4. there's a huge gap in mailing list traffic
[15:36] <WaVeR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/RegionalContacts << something like that ?
[15:36] <WaVeR> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ch/
[15:36] <WaVeR> Strange that they haven't seen that
[15:37] <wxl> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ch/
[15:37] <wxl> THAT is what they were looking for
[15:37] <WaVeR> I'll write them an email
[15:37] <WaVeR> So it's there :P
[15:37] <wxl> except that it's not updated or doesn't appear to be
[15:37] <WaVeR> Since the creation of the loco directory
[15:37] <wxl> the last event or meeting was in 2015
[15:37] <wxl> which was, admittedly, a few years ago
[15:38] <WaVeR> True, we don't do the update there :s
[15:38] <wxl> well, that's kind of one of the things that's supposed to be done XD
[15:39] <WaVeR> ^^
[15:39] <WaVeR> My fault =)
[15:40] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#Zo418kUKbIuLD5kIYM2GVQ
[15:40] <wxl> ^^ top result for "ubuntu loco" is the loco directory
[15:40] <wxl> i.e. it's the canonical (lowercase c) place to find info about locos
[15:43] <WaVeR> Basically they should be more relaxed than before ツ
[15:43] <WaVeR> before a loco received marketing materials and CDs
[15:44] <WaVeR> Now there's no more CDs and the last marketing we received was maybe 2013~2015
[15:44] <wxl> there are usbs
[15:44] <WaVeR> But the loco council seems to be more "harder" ^^
[15:44] <wxl> so now it costs MORE money :)
[15:44] <WaVeR> Haven't received this things =)
[15:44] <wxl> did you request them?
[15:46] <WaVeR> Nop, and maybe I missed the mail regarding usbs on Ubuntu local community team (LoCo) contacts
[15:47] <WaVeR> Last email talking about USBs: Re: [loco-contacts] 16.04 DVD packs for LoCos? On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:25 PM,
[15:47] <wxl> in all my time working in the community, i've never seen us just send things out to locos without first requesting things
[15:47] <WaVeR>  ^^
[15:47] <wxl> maybe this happened many moons ago, but i don't know
[15:47] <WaVeR> So I missed with that =)
[15:47] <WaVeR> Basically we was receiving notifications
[15:48] <WaVeR> You know how many mailing list I have to check :D it's almost a full job and where's time for that =)
[15:48] <WaVeR> nothing to complain, but I reconize that from time to time it's hard to follow all of this
[15:48] <wxl> "with great power comes great responsibility"
[15:49] <WaVeR> ツ
[15:51] <WaVeR> wxl>  do you know if they still do the re-validation via launchpad ?
[15:51] <WaVeR> I can remember that we had to choose to attend the meeting or via launchpad (bugtracker)
[15:51] <wxl> WaVeR: they do if and only if the situation requires it, which is to say, not usually
[15:51] <WaVeR> You see, too many changes :D
[15:51] <wxl> at this point the assumption is that you have to attend the meeting
[15:51] <wxl> well, this has been going on for years.........
[15:52] <WaVeR> I guess it was possible and not on demand. You choose from the beginning which version you want to use meeting/launchpad
[15:53] <wxl> i mean it's certainly possible that someone can't attend the meeting, in which case, they would request something else which would lead to the launchpad bug
[15:56] <WaVeR> I'll see if they can offer it. Better for me as I can manage my free time


[02:39] <modem> that's nice
[09:39] <kolenwal> what
[19:19] <xenoid> !keep xenoid
[20:09] <rjv92> yo
[20:09] <nova> Whattup
[20:09] <nova> Does Unbuntu have a music player?
[20:10] <rjv92> pretty sure - rhythmbox
[20:11] <nova> OK thanks!
[20:12] <rjv92> or Parole if your use xfce
[20:13] <rjv92> what's the deal with HexChat? Like, why was it pre-installed on Xubuntu lol
[20:14] <rjv92> Just for old timers to get their IRC fix? lol
[20:14] <diogenes_Vx15_> rjv92, so you could find us if you need any help?
[20:15] <rjv92> cool, so a community support thing? NICE
[20:16] <diogenes_Vx15_> yep
[20:16] <rjv92> After weeks of trying, I finally figured out how to make XTerm startup with my default font and colors of choice. Literally the hightlight of my week. Otherwise I would have asked on here how to do it.
[20:19] <diogenes_Vx15_> rjv92, but you'd have felt less satisfied if you were given a ready-made solution than finding it yourself.
[20:20] <rjv92> exactly
[20:21] <nova> Linux is a bretty cool dude, he does FOSS and doesnt give a hecl
[20:23] <rjv92> I understood no part of what you just typed lol :)
[20:25] <diogenes_Vx15_> rjv92, for instance FOSS means Free Open-Source Software which Linux is (so far).
[20:30] <rjv92> Thanks, didn't know the acronym.


[04:51] <kwwii> good morning all
[04:54] <astechgeek> kwwii: Good Morning for you, Good Evening for me lol
[04:55] <kwwii> astechgeek: yeah, and yesterday I was thinking the same as you ;)
[04:55] <kwwii> I have (amazingly) been spared the jet-lag this around
[04:56] <astechgeek> I was wondering with some of the folks that were here how they fared with the time changes.
[04:56] <kwwii> melatonin seems to have worked very well
[09:00] <mac_v> kwwii: hi... hmm , "in addition to the actual definition/creation of the icon theme" i didnt understand this? humanity icons already have a clear style
[09:15] <mac_v> and i also have the icons for many of the apps... well , not for all the apps , but for the ones in the default install and a few i use
[09:20]  * darkmatter steals mac_vs icons :O
[09:24] <mac_v> ;)
[09:25] <kwwii> mac_v: we also discussed how to do the coloring automatically
[09:25] <kwwii> so a theme author won't have to do the dark/light distinction
[09:26] <kwwii> in the icons themselves, that is
[09:26] <mac_v> kwwii: yup , i got that
[09:26] <kwwii> after going through 20% of 1/3 of the list of apps we had 350+ icons
[09:27] <kwwii> so this is something that, if done, should be done right
[09:27] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[09:28]  * mac_v doesnt really know what Ubuntu's plan really is , so shuts up :)
[09:34] <kwwii> the plan, as such, is to make everything look as good as possible, as always
[09:34] <kwwii> :p
[09:42] <mac_v> awesome plan ;p
[09:48] <mac_v> kwwii: can we push an update to humanity? for a few bugs which we fixed after release?
[09:50] <kwwii> mac_v: we can certainly discuss it :) send me an email with a list of proposed changes, perhaps a link to the theme in the form you want suggest for testing
[09:50] <kwwii> I have been running the latest stuff from Daniel on my laptop
[09:50] <mac_v> kwwii: not those , those are elementary , the lp:humanity has a few bug fixes
[09:51] <mac_v> kwwii: https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/humanity/Humanity , rev 413 onwards is after release
[09:51] <kwwii> mac_v: DanRabbit put humanity in lp:elementaryicons (as well as his very nice gtk and metacity theme
[09:52] <kwwii> )
[09:52] <kwwii> mac_v: can you send the info per email so I don't lose it?
[09:52] <mac_v> kwwii: yeah , we have been experimenting with new icons and merging elementary and humanity closer
[09:52] <kwwii> getting back up to speed today after UDS
[09:53]  * mac_v copy pastes lp page in mail ;p
[10:04] <mac_v> kwwii: you checked out the lp:elementaryicons , right ? is it too far from humanity? most of the changes are going into both the icon themes and we are mostly merging the themes...
[10:08] <kwwii> mac_v: well, that is something which we'll need to discuss as well
[10:08] <kwwii> atm, I cannot say any specifics
[10:08] <kwwii> I'd need to test them first
[10:09] <mac_v> ;) , sure
[10:09] <kwwii> as in, actually make sure we are not breaking anything or replacing something which was done on purpose
[10:10] <mac_v> kwwii: oh , i dont think we have done anything like that... mostly updating the icons
[10:11] <kwwii> cool
[10:34] <kwwii> andreasn: hey, I was going to write up something for the -symbolic discussion...pass it around to get a decent addendum for the xdg spec
[10:38] <andreasn> sounds good!
[10:45] <knome> hey kwwii
[10:45] <kwwii> hi knome
[10:45] <knome> kwwii, you home now? ;P
[10:46] <knome> kwwii, i am again asking for the uds jaunty group photo:P
[10:46] <knome> kwwii, +how are you? :)
[10:46] <kwwii> knome: it is one my flckr page
[10:46] <kwwii> knome: good, and yourself?
[10:47] <knome> kwwii, but is it the original size? i mean, the flickr photos have been quite small
[10:47] <kwwii> I woke up bright and early at 5:30 this morning
[10:47] <knome> kwwii, i'm fine :)
[10:47] <kwwii> 4256 x 2832
[10:47] <kwwii> isn't that big enough?
[10:49] <knome> is that a new upload?
[10:50] <knome> kwwii, the photo page on your flickr page says 1096x508 is the original size
[10:51] <knome> kwwii, am i looking at a wrong photo?
[10:52] <kwwii> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/4120389545/sizes/o/
[10:52] <knome> kwwii, that ain't the uds *jaunty* photo... ;>
[10:53] <kwwii> :p
[10:54] <knome> yes i know i'm late
[10:55] <kwwii> to be honest I don't remember where the file even is :p
[10:55] <knome> the original or the flickr? :D
[10:55] <kwwii> I had to search for it on flickr
[10:55] <knome> hehe
[10:55] <knome> i could have linked you
[10:56] <kwwii> I will have to look for it
[10:56] <knome> okay. thanks a lot again.
[10:56] <kwwii> I promise to look later tonight after work, ok?
[10:56] <knome> yeah, no problem
[10:56] <knome> i'm the one who is a year late
[20:22] <thorwil> hi kwwii! safely back home
[20:29]  * mac_v yay and the villagers rejoice on the return of the one named thorwil ;p
[20:31] <thorwil> heh mac_v , saw you on the IRC beamer projections quite often
[20:31] <thorwil> decided to stay out of it, though, had enough to do right in place ;)
[20:32] <mac_v> thorwil: oh on... i was on a beamer.. all my crap was blown bigger ;p
[20:33] <mac_v> thorwil: what happened about the scrollbar?
[20:33] <thorwil> mac_v: showed it to mpt, Ivanka and D. Siegel at once
[20:34] <mac_v> thorwil: and?
[20:34] <thorwil> mac_v: emailed mvo and invited him to have a look an meet later on. did so. he generally likes it and suggested i talk to ryan lorti
[20:35] <thorwil> mac_v: the trio seemed somewhat impressed and generally interested. Ivanka asked mpt if they can test it. no further discussion
[20:35] <thorwil> yet
[20:36] <mac_v> thorwil: heh , finally you convinced mpt too ;)
[20:37] <thorwil> mac_v: nah, only actual user testing might convince him, i guess. but he's coll. was good talking with him
[20:38] <thorwil> mac_v: mvo might have a look at the demo code, but doesn't think he could help in other ways
[20:39] <thorwil> mac_v: Ryan found it cool and interesting, but is skeptical regarding the need to firts enter the scrollbar area and then move vertically to get to either arrow button. pointed out how you can travel diagonally to sub-menus as example of the problem and one solution
[20:40] <thorwil> mac_v: he said i should talk with Cody Russell, but i didn't get to that
[20:41] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , cody is now doing some gtk stuff/hacking
[20:42] <mac_v> thorwil: maybe if we had a solid scrollbar like in the google wave scrollbar , we can avoid the need to move the pointer vertically
[20:43] <thorwil> mac_v: i'm not sure if it's really an issue
[20:43] <mac_v> thorwil: meh , i like the way it is now.. i dont think it can be done otherwise
[20:45] <thorwil> Ryan pointed out that Canonical doesn't have much of special equipment for user testing. but i shouldn't even be around on user testing, i'm biased ;)
[20:45] <mac_v> thorwil: if user moves over the scrollbar area , then we cant access if the user wants to move up or down... the present behavior seems good
[20:47] <mac_v> thorwil: iirc, it is mostly a camera to record the user interaction , and a set of questions and actions what the user needs to do/perform... it can be done anywhere... just the questions need to be standard ;)
[20:49] <thorwil> mac_v: yes. just the few possible tasks and observing the actions might be all that is needed, interview optional, even.


[03:22] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: your fix worked
[03:24] <ahoneybun> but there are some errors from another package non docs related
[08:17] <Riddell> cyphermox_: I see you're touched bluez quite a bit, have you looked at bluez 5 at all?
[08:36] <Riddell> "digiKam Software Collection 4.0.0-beta2 is out.." do we upgrade to that?
[08:37] <valorie> will they have a release soon enough for us?
[08:37] <Riddell> that's the question
[08:39] <Riddell> http://www.digikam.org/about/releaseplan
[08:39] <Riddell> 11/05/2014: 4.0.0
[08:39] <Riddell> hmm, too late
[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think I actually found the cause for your upgrader problem
[10:09] <ScottK> Cool.
[10:09] <apachelogger> alas, I am not sure how to resovle it so it might have to wait for aleix to come back from vacation
[10:10] <apachelogger> essentially qapt seems to ignore manual Held flags
[10:10] <apachelogger> so it detects a divergance in flags and says, this package's flags have changed, must do something with it
[10:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: to be save though, if you could send me a screenshot of the 'mark additional changes' dialog it would be good
[10:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: also here's a patch for qapt that adds debug on change detection, shoudl also help to pin point the exact problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930395/
[10:21]  * apachelogger has trusty in vbox at 640x480
[10:21] <apachelogger> it's like the 90's all over again
[10:25] <Riddell> my virtualbox also decided to go small resolution for some reason
[10:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331113 that sounds a lot like limited apt cache TBH
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's working in the live session though, very curious
[10:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm yes
[10:33] <apachelogger> and its so slow
[10:33] <apachelogger> I shoudl go back to KVM
[10:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's a caching problem
[10:34] <apachelogger> and the xapian index was not built when muon was started
[10:34] <apachelogger> muon will trigger the update which will take about 1 minute initially
[10:34] <apachelogger> which is why the updater says the cache is update
[10:34] <Riddell> hmm, something broken in the archive today #u-d talking about gcc being broken
[10:34] <apachelogger> however, once muon is done with the cache update it will not refresh its own cache
[10:35] <apachelogger> or possibly it simply times out because it doesn't want the udpate to take so long
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: at the end of the day it all comes back to your xapian-udpate card :P
[10:46] <apachelogger> very magic
[10:47] <apachelogger> oh
[10:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think I even remember why that is the case
[10:47] <apachelogger> IIRC muon doesn't actually wire to async xapian updates or something
[10:47] <apachelogger> or was it the backend
[10:47] <apachelogger> someone definitely doesn't connect to finished and subsequently either the cache or the search is broken
[10:48] <apachelogger> like it's the search
[10:48] <apachelogger> because there is probably abortion code in there
[10:50] <apachelogger> ha! found it
[10:50] <apachelogger> even have a simple fix, alas probably not a good one
[10:51] <apachelogger> I actually think discover might have a similar issue
[10:51] <apachelogger> although it might be not visible because it list app-install-data units rather than QApt::Package directly
[11:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I add some comments to https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-foreign-language
[11:19] <apachelogger> I am having a hard time testing it on a 90's style micro resolution though
[11:25] <apachelogger> Bug 1268931
[11:35] <apachelogger> debian/common in kde-l10n-common needs a check so that it checks both the langpack branch as well as the kde-l10n-common branch
[11:35] <apachelogger> my, that fails to compute quite a bit
[11:35]  * apachelogger fears his head might explode :'<
[11:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bzr cat lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/debian/common &> debian/common
[11:37] <apachelogger> bzr cat lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/debian/config-l10n &> debian/config-l10n
[11:37] <apachelogger> WHY
[11:37] <apachelogger> for tfile in `ls kde-l10n-*.tar.xz`; do
[11:37] <apachelogger> WHY
[11:37]  * apachelogger starts crying in the corner again
[12:10] <apachelogger> I did choose very bad var naming in build-l10n
[12:10]  * apachelogger is ashamed
[12:16]  * ghostcube gives apachelogger a cup of tea and a chocolate cookie
[12:17] <apachelogger> omnomnomnom
[12:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[12:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was wondering, perhaps for 14.10 we should add our own control fields to kde-l10n-*
[12:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: to the debian packages?
[12:48] <Riddell> the .deb packages?
[12:48] <apachelogger> i.e. XB-Private-Kubuntu-KDE-Language, XB-Private-Kubuntu-KDE-LanguageCode, XB-Private-Kubuntu-Ubuntu-LangaugeCode...
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[12:48] <Riddell> this would make the l10n logic in libkubuntu simpler?
[12:48] <apachelogger> yes, well, remove duplicationg anyway
[12:48] <Riddell> worth a shot
[12:49] <apachelogger> currently kde-l10n-common has code mapping the various formats for language pack codes AND libkubuntu has the very same mapping
[12:49] <Riddell> it'll all get a lot more complex with kf5 though
[12:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: how so?
[12:49] <Riddell> kf5 will presumably get its own l10n releases
[12:49] <apachelogger> oh, well, just another -common branch
[12:49] <Riddell> and will there be one or two SC releases? who knows
[12:50] <Riddell> and what will those phonon maintainers do?  they're so unpredictable
[12:50] <apachelogger> two sc releases?
[12:50] <Riddell> kdelibs4 based one and kf5 based on?
[12:50] <apachelogger> oh, also simply different bzr branches
[12:50] <apachelogger> which is why it is important that we have sane scripting
[12:50] <apachelogger> which is not the case right now
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: on a completely related note ... I am detangling langpack-common from kde-l10n-common and am wondering what to base the list of langpacks off
[12:52] <apachelogger> options include: apt-cache, ssh ls on depot.kde of automatically detected kde version, ssh ls of manually defined kde version
[12:52] <Riddell> whatever langpack-o-matic uses?
[12:52] <apachelogger> leaninng towards ssh ls on the latest version I am
[12:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: there's no logic for this
[12:53] <apachelogger> since langpack-o-matic creates a langpack for every language ubuntu knows about
[12:53] <apachelogger> and that list is a superset of the languages kde releases
[12:55] <Riddell> ssh ls on depot.kde of automatically detected kde version  seems the best way then
[12:55] <apachelogger> ok
[13:31] <apachelogger> I thinkt he substituation nonesense should be redone a bit
[13:31] <apachelogger> terribly shitty var naming indeed
[13:32] <apachelogger>         echo $ubuntudep NOT $kdecode
[13:32] <apachelogger>         sed -i "s/^Depends:.*/&, kde-l10n-${ubuntucode}/" control
[13:32] <apachelogger> and that piece I do not understand at all
[13:40] <dougl> my bluetooth icon disappeared from my system tray, system setting says there is no bluetooth adapter but my bluetooth headphones connect and function... thot someone should know?
[13:44] <Riddell> dougl: bluedevil was updated to a version which was incompatible with bluez 4, I've done a revert now so maybe upgrading will fix it
[13:45] <Riddell> mark says he wants to move to systemd http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:50] <dougl> Riddell, ok - no worries I just wanted to make sure someone knew...
[13:50] <dougl> Morning BluesKaj :)
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: uh that is rather lovely
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Morning dougl
[13:51] <apachelogger> one less weird ubuntu techno patchy thing to worry about for kf5
[13:54] <BluesKaj> was trying to use the chrome browser pepper flash v12 in FF, it's supposed to work, but no joy on CBC olympic sites, altho chrome browser does work, the tabs are mucked up
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, quite a relief
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: see e-mail about intotool
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to pick up substvars for the common packaging, makes complex dependency construction less of a PITA
[13:58] <mamarley> BluesKaj: You can use use Chrome's Adobe® Crash® player in Firefox?  How is that?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> no mamarley, it doesn't work on 14.04 altho I saw oin some forums that it did work in earlier FF and ubuntu OSs
[14:00] <BluesKaj> FF versions that is
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/gid70i2V
[14:00] <BluesKaj> damn adobe dropped support for the latest flash version 12 in linux
[14:01] <BluesKaj> chrome has gone ahead and embedded the v12 plugin
[14:03] <shadeslayer> yay
[14:03] <shadeslayer> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re kde bug 331113   : no, because even though it builds the index when you start it ( you can see the progress in the window ) , it still can't search
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so the user /thinks/ the index was built
[14:11] <shadeslayer> and /thinks/ he can search
[14:11] <shadeslayer> he actually can't
[14:16] <Mirv> note contacts for Qt on Ubuntu Touch side for the next week are sil2100, bzoltan, didrocks. Qt 5.2.1 seems fine itself now, Touch packages need fixes still
[14:17] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:17] <Riddell> Mirv: so upload is due?
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I thought you had reproduced it?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, and that's what I see in my VM
[14:20] <Mirv> Riddell: currently the plan is still via the FFe that I filed on Monday, because people want 100% smooth transition. also waiting for Debian to catch up so it'll possible to sync packages from there
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to drop calligra dep from langpack as discussed some weeks ago, should be handled by kcm/libkubuntu/seed
[14:20] <shadeslayer> open muon -> let it build search index -> try searching -> empty list
[14:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and you did not care to share that with me through the bug report?
[14:21] <apachelogger> because I had to look at it myself because all signs pointed away from xapian while in fact it was xapian
[14:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: is it handled by the seed?
[14:21] <Mirv> happily the V4 in Qt 5.2.1 looks good so far, it didn't in .0
[14:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: we don't have l10n on the seed, just saying
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: what will happen is ubiquity+internet = resolves and installs (although that needs quality control I just noticed) || ubiquity-internet = notification after login that l10n is incomplete and user has to trigger install once internet is available || user installs new language via kcm, kcm resolves addiontal deps
[14:23] <shadeslayer> sigh, I thought it was implicit in the report
[14:23] <shadeslayer> Got to be more verbose apparently ....
[14:23] <apachelogger> oh and that just made me notice that we forgot to create a card for the notification thing
[14:23]  * apachelogger heads to the trellocave
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: APT Xapian Index seems to be already up to date: $ sudo update-apt-xapian-index The index /var/lib/apt-xapian-index is up to date
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: how will ubiquity install calligra langpacks?
[14:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if anything that is explicitly saying that the cache is uptodate
[14:24] <manchicken1> apachelogger: I think that apol got my libqapt changes merged into master.
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: same way it does libreoffice,firefox,.. throught he language-support-common dependency list file thing
[14:24] <apachelogger> manchicken1: uh lovely
[14:24] <apachelogger> manchicken1: I'll have a look
[14:25] <apachelogger> manchicken1: btw, would you like to take over qapt development? ^^
[14:25] <manchicken1> I think I already did.
[14:25] <manchicken1> I didn't know you guys were going to let me off the hook.
[14:25] <manchicken1> It took me disappearing to get off of adept ;)
[14:25] <apachelogger> manchicken1: I guess we'll have to equip you with a kde dev account though ^^
[14:25] <manchicken1> I have one.
[14:26] <manchicken1> Though I'm not sure if there are privs I don't have.
[14:26] <manchicken1> I'm not an admin on that project.
[14:26] <apachelogger> uh, long life the new qapt developer! xD
[14:26] <apachelogger> manchicken1: if you have dev privs that's enough
[14:26] <manchicken1> It feels like you just cursed me :)
[14:26] <apachelogger> managers only have the boon of being able to delete branches
[14:27] <manchicken1> Oh… why would you want to delete a branch?
[14:27] <apachelogger> manchicken1: random work branches that were merged into master etc.
[14:28] <apachelogger> not all that common a thing to do
[14:28] <manchicken1> Fair enough.
[14:28] <manchicken1> I still need to get the kubuntu-debug-installer stuff done, too.
[14:28] <manchicken1> And I'm preparing to present at YAPC::NA 2014 in Orlando in June, too.
[14:29] <manchicken1> My benevolent overlords here at ThinkGeek are paying my way, too, so I feel inclined to put a bit of effort into it.
[14:29] <apachelogger> :)
[14:30] <manchicken1> With all of the snow, I'm the only developer in the office today.
[14:30] <manchicken1> I may end up putting together the IKEA desk for the new guy, too.
[14:31] <apachelogger> oh, putting together IKEA things, good luck, see you next year :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, which is totally weird that the apt xapian index is up to date
[14:31] <shadeslayer> and then it rebuilds it
[14:32] <sgclark> Riddell: frameworkintegration and kitemviews ready for you
[14:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it isn't, perhaps you check too late or something
[14:32] <apachelogger> right after login there is no cache at all
[14:32] <Riddell> morning sgclark :)
[14:32] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :)
[14:32] <apachelogger> although I turned of the vm so I can't check
[14:32] <apachelogger> this tiny virtualbox window is rather enraging I have to say
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: inorite
[14:32] <apachelogger> " Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[14:33] <apachelogger> ololo
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kickoff update thingum is bugged btw
[14:34] <apachelogger> which now reminds me that I wanted to re-QA driver manager
[14:34] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[14:34]  * apachelogger jumps out the window
[14:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's wrong in the script?
[14:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see trello card
[14:34] <shadeslayer> k
[14:34] <apachelogger> also please test your things :P
[14:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I did test it! :O
[14:36] <apachelogger> not very well then, because there's an obvious escape problem
[14:36] <apachelogger> and wrong paths
[14:36] <apachelogger> (install path that is)
[14:36] <apachelogger> though that is really the fault of agateau I think :P
[14:37] <agateau> apachelogger: what did I do wrong?
[14:40] <apachelogger> agateau: kubuntu-settings kconf udpates end up in the wrong path
[14:41] <agateau> apachelogger: ohoh kconf updates. That was a long time ago.
[14:41] <apachelogger> might be someone elses fault, you just happen to be the only person I know who wrote a kconf_update script for kubuntu-settings ^^
[14:41] <apachelogger> agateau: possibly broke in the restructuring
[14:41] <agateau> I think I did this on my first year at Canonical
[14:41] <apachelogger> things arbitrarily break and no one notices  :'<
[14:42] <apachelogger> kubuntu-fix-kwin-default-size.py
[14:42] <apachelogger> thats a newer one I think
[14:42] <apachelogger> 19/03/2009 17:48
[14:42] <apachelogger> or not
[14:42] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Policies linked to from anywhere?
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: not yet
[14:54] <apachelogger> needs approval
[14:54] <apachelogger> first a final proof read tho
[14:54] <apachelogger> won't get anywhere before next week
[14:54] <apachelogger> I'll also propose wiki migration then
[14:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you expect to call a kubuntu council meeting to approve it?
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you want a meeting? I was actually going to handle it through the list
[14:56] <apachelogger> meetings are always such an annoyance to set up
[14:56] <apachelogger> and in the end half the people don't show up anyway ^^
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why is https://trello.com/c/Mw5FBYpI back in todo :S
[14:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah mailing list better
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Rohan Garg
[14:57] <apachelogger>     moved from Doing to To Do
[14:57] <shadeslayer> o_o
[14:58] <apachelogger> I don't think AG actually moved the card to doing :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: could you plz have a look at https://trello.com/c/yGJ1bn2n
[15:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1259202
[15:06] <apachelogger> mhh, languagepack branch pretty much done
[15:07]  * apachelogger moves on to tedious kde-l10n -.-
[15:07] <sgclark> Riddell: karchive ready
[15:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: latest_kde_version=`ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>ls /home/ftpubuntu/${TYPE} | grep -P "^\d.*" | sort -V | tail -1`
[15:09] <ghostcube> ubuntu kicks upstart?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can/should go into common
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: yeah for post 14.04
[15:09] <ghostcube> hmm ok
[15:09] <Riddell> sgclark: you can now commit directory to the packaging bzr branch
[15:10] <sgclark> Riddell: nice :) how exactly do I do that?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you have a look at why dh_installwm makes tests pass for frameworkintegration?
[15:13] <Riddell> sgclark: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/<frameworkname>
[15:13] <Riddell> sgclark: you'll need your ssh key on the machine
[15:14] <Riddell> sgclark: oh you'll need to do bzr lp-login <lpusername>  too
[15:14] <Riddell> sgclark: and  bzr whoami "fullname<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:14] <Riddell> then edit the file
[15:14] <Riddell> bzr diff   to view diff
[15:14] <Riddell> bzr commit   to commit
[15:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "    this should really be a set of very specific accounts ... namely gtalk and facebook as supposedly being the most used" < application specific test IMO
[15:16] <shadeslayer> what if the user doesn't have those
[15:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looking at kitemviews there's qmake .pri files been added
[15:17] <Riddell> sorry not shadeslayer
[15:17] <Riddell> sgclark: looking at kitemviews there's qmake .pri files been added
[15:18] <Riddell> sgclark: and I think we need to add versioning to the build-depends
[15:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: s/user/tester/ must get them
[15:19] <apachelogger> there's no point in checking whether gadugadu or whatever when 90% of the target audience will want to use facebook
[15:19] <sgclark> Riddell: where are these .pri files? I dont see them
[15:20] <Riddell> ug everything in kf5 changed soname, what a pain
[15:20] <sgclark> Riddell: yup
[15:21] <Riddell> sgclark: in kitemviews I end up with usr/mkspecs/modules/qt_KItemViews.pri
[15:21] <Riddell> although I'm not sure how
[15:21] <Riddell> also I think that's installed to the wrong place
[15:28] <sgclark> Riddell: was not listed in install file, where should it be installed?
[15:29] <sgclark> Riddell: is there a write up on adding versioning somewhere?
[15:30] <Riddell> I found the install dir in extra-cmake-modules, fixing
[15:30] <Riddell> just add (>= 4.96.0) to any build-dependencies on kf5 bits in debian/control
[15:31] <sgclark> ok
[15:38] <sgclark> Riddell: I checked out kcodecs and only the debian folder came down , is that correct? I still work with source and then copy changes over to bzr?
[15:38] <Riddell> sgclark: yes only the debian/ folder is in bzr
[15:39] <Riddell> you can use bzr-buildpackage to do clever things to make it find the source
[15:39] <Riddell> or you can just copy it manually
[15:39] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm thinking if you're wanting to add versioned build-depends you want to do it in batch
[15:39] <sgclark> ok, I will go read documentation for bzr :)
[15:39] <Riddell> wget http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/FRAMEWORKS
[15:40] <Riddell> for asdf in `cat FRAMEWORKS; do bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/${asdf}; done
[15:40] <Riddell> something like that to start off if you want to do it in batch
[15:40] <sgclark> ok
[15:42] <debfx> yay, Ubuntu will use systemd
[15:43] <Riddell> debfx: makes life a lot easier :)
[15:43] <debfx> indeed
[15:48]  * genii tries to forget everything he learned now about sysvinit and upstart, and make room in there for systemd
[15:50] <shadeslayer> genii: not just uyet
[15:50] <shadeslayer> *yet
[15:53] <genii> Hm.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> netsplit?
[15:57] <genii> BluesKaj: Not that I could tell here
[15:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Riddell: if you feel very brave it would be much appreicated if you could play around with the new kde-l10n-common and language-pack-kde-common
[15:59] <BluesKaj> genii, ok, thanks , guess closing the lid did it
[15:59] <apachelogger> they are now baed of a new branch kubuntu-l10n-common which encorporates the generic mapping logic and substitution magic
[15:59] <apachelogger> also both branches now use debian/substvars to make for easier dephandling
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: I updated frameworkintegration in bzr with your changes and also versioning the build-depends
[15:59]  * apachelogger afk looking for something to eat
[16:00] <Riddell> sgclark: I also set the changelog to unreleased as is our custom when it has not been uploaded to the ubuntu archive
[16:00] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thank you
[16:02] <sgclark> Riddell: just to be clear, I only commit to bazaar now and no longer supply package in ubuntu one?
[16:03] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah, and if you feel it's ready for a review and upload you can ping me or anyone and we'll just look at the bzr branch
[16:03] <sgclark> Ok, got
[16:03] <sgclark> it
[16:03] <Riddell> sgclark: but i think there's two major operations needed here: versioning build-depends and changing library for the new sonames
[16:04] <sgclark> right
[16:04] <sgclark> my to do list, just studying docs for bzr
[16:05] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so leave all these at ppa1?
[16:05] <sgclark> dch -i upped it to 2
[16:06] <Quintasan> \o
[16:06] <Riddell> sgclark: better leave them at  "(4.96.0-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED"
[16:06] <Riddell> sgclark: then we have a script  bzr-buildpackage-ppa which adds the ~ppa to the version number
[16:06] <Riddell> sgclark: just use  dch   rather than  dch -i
[16:07] <sgclark> ok, I just grabbed frameworkintegration to see what you did and it still says trusty?
[16:08] <Riddell> sgclark: grab again :)
[16:08] <Riddell> I just updated it
[16:08] <sgclark> ok :)
[16:15] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: are you around?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: review plz http://paste.kde.org/ps1wa3wek
[16:15] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:16] <shadeslayer> oh whoops
[16:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p4kza4pti
[16:39] <apachelogger> mh
[16:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd not set the language through the isoloader
[16:39] <apachelogger> no normal person does that :P
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd still explicitly mention that one ought to watch the slideshow
[16:40] <shadeslayer> btw comparing ubuntu live iso vs kubuntu live iso we're short on one fonts.conf
[16:41] <apachelogger> peculiar
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: still doesn't mention that one should add gtalk or facebook
[16:41] <shadeslayer> I still see no reason to mention those
[16:42] <shadeslayer> I mean most testers will use one of those
[16:42] <apachelogger> yeah, all of them will if you specify the test that way
[16:42] <apachelogger> discover still needs more explicitness
[16:44] <apachelogger>     <dt>Click on the 'Overview button to go back to System Settings, and open the entry marked as "User Manager", is the UI localized?</dt>
[16:44] <apachelogger> overview quote not closed anywhere
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/ppgwz2no1
[16:45] <apachelogger> firefox "is localized?" also needs explicitness
[16:45] <shadeslayer> oh, I thought I removed firefox
[16:45] <apachelogger> (we don't ship those fonts, hence why the configs are missing)
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and systray apps still missing...
[16:47] <Quintasan> what
[16:47] <Quintasan> We systemd now guys
[16:47] <sgclark> Riddell: first attempt at bazaar kcodecs ready
[16:48] <Quintasan> Probably slowpoke and what not but we are going to proper systemd now in Ubuntu
[16:48] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:49] <Quintasan> I can't say I saw that coming
[16:49] <Quintasan> I was more or less expecting Ubuntu sticking with upstart
[16:50] <shadeslayer> likewise
[16:54] <Riddell> sgclark: that extra-cmake-modules probably needs a (>= 0.0.10)
[16:54] <Riddell> otherwise looking good
[16:54] <sgclark> ok
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger we can get Jenkins + upgrade testing from ubuntu \o/
[16:56]  * Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2014/02/14/no-licence-needed-kubuntu-derivative-distributions
[16:56] <shadeslayer> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Upgrade/
[16:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[16:57]  * Riddell runs off for the evening
[16:57] <jussi> is nvidia broken in trusty ?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> jussi, not here
[16:58] <jussi> sigh. something not right here...
[16:58] <jussi> btw shadeslayer when does your new restricted drivers thing make it in?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> some of the higher end cards have a rough time with the recommended driver
[16:59] <jussi> BluesKaj: this one a pretty old card...
[16:59] <jussi> but the performance of this machine is horrible, Im trying to work out why...
[16:59] <jussi> new install yesterday
[17:00] <BluesKaj> mine's an entry level 8400gs
[17:00] <BluesKaj> jussi, which card/driver?
[17:00] <jussi> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98M [Quadro NVS 160M] (rev a1)
[17:01] <jussi> driver is whatever the first one in the list was...
[17:01] <jussi> 331 updates
[17:01] <jussi> ahh, now then... that explains things...
[17:02] <jussi> activated but not currently in use. hrm
[17:02] <BluesKaj> 331 is pretty advanced
[17:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: errors.ubuntu.com is good to process crashes
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what does "- possibly find a way to gcore all muon applications?" mean>
[17:46] <shadeslayer> aha
[17:46] <shadeslayer> generates corefile
[18:46] <soee> the switch to systemd will take place in 14.04  ?
[18:48] <BluesKaj> didn't see any specific schedule for systemd adoption
[18:51] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:51] <shadeslayer> post 14.04
[18:52] <shadeslayer> seeing how feature freeze is a week from now ...
[19:19] <ScottK> Definitely not 14.04.
[19:32] <soee> ok, thanks
[19:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://commits.kde.org/kdeconnect-kde/a14517a486d31a691422e184864224cff8008ed1
[19:42] <dougl> with todays updates bluetooth quit working completely right?
[19:52] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I am now
[19:53] <ahoneybun> dougl: having bluetooth issues too?
[19:55] <soee> there are 2 packages on hold when doing upgrades: kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript
[19:55] <soee> the seond one is like that more then a week now
[20:20] <yofel> ahoneybun, dougl: pretty much until we have bluedevil/bluez worked out
[20:20] <yofel> we have incompatible versions right now
[20:21] <ahoneybun> yofel: in 13.10?
[20:21] <yofel> hm, no
[20:21] <yofel> 14.04 is what I'm talking about
[20:21] <ahoneybun> I can't find a bluetooth adapter in 13.10 with default KDE
[20:21] <ahoneybun> but with blueman it works fine
[20:21] <yofel> that's not good :(
[20:22] <yofel> but I vaguely remember Riddell having the same issue in munich
[20:22] <yofel> we did some hci magic to wake it up I think
[20:22] <yofel> but what was it...
[20:26] <ahoneybun> well it did work or at the least the adapter was found when I first installed Kubuntu 13.10
[20:53] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: are you on?
[20:53] <dougl> yofel, thanks for the update :) patiently waiting until this master piece is done before I want my money back - lol
[20:55]  * dougl loves kubuntu and appreciates the sneak peek


[20:21] <Unit193> jose: Well howdy.
[20:30] <jose> Unit193: ohai! when are you getting to olf?
[20:43] <Unit193> jose: Sat.  Got the email.
[20:44] <jose> woot woot!
[21:21] <Unit193> jose: Is there something specific we should poke you about? :3