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[14:52] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, sandybridge has not been released yet
[16:31] <njpatel> So, intel 4500MHD can drive 4098x1152 through display port -> dvi and VGA, and unity is fast on it
[16:32] <njpatel> however, getting the displayport up and running is a lesson in patience. Most of the time X just hangs and you need to pull out the lead for it come out of that
[16:33] <njpatel> also, can't leave it plugged in and restart, everything stops while trying to start GDM until you pull out the displayport lead
[16:33] <njpatel> even on a running system, it actually working is incredibly hit and miss, I was wondering if there was any knowledge of that?
[16:36] <Sarvatt> njpatel: the displayport->dvi adapter is the problem there I believe, I just saw some fixes for it recently let me see if they are in already
[16:41] <njpatel> i915 0000:00:02.0: DP-1: Ignoring invalid EDID block 40.
[16:41] <njpatel> [  152.029383] [drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is 1
[16:42] <njpatel> getting tons of those in dmesg
[16:42] <Sarvatt> njpatel: ya disappeared right when i responded :)
[16:42] <Sarvatt> njpatel: the displayport->dvi adapter is the problem there I believe, I just saw some fixes for it recently let me see if they are in already
[16:42] <njpatel> sorry :)
[16:43] <njpatel> Sarvatt, ah, interesting
[16:43] <Sarvatt> njpatel: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ickle/drm-intel.git;a=commit;h=8316f33766a82907c694267ff911e45e256f09f9 is the fix and its queued up for .38 merge window
[16:43] <Sarvatt> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-next/2010-12-17-natty/
[16:43] <Sarvatt> its in that kernel
[16:43] <njpatel> oh, sweet
[16:43] <Sarvatt> if ya want to verify it fixes it
[16:43]  * njpatel tries
[16:44] <njpatel> Sarvatt, thanks, will install and try it out
[16:44] <njpatel> it's kinda awesome this laptop can even drive these two displays in the first place
[16:44] <njpatel> i was pleasantly surprised :)
[16:51] <njpatel_> Sarvatt, it works!!
[16:51] <njpatel_> thank you :)
[16:52]  * njpatel_ has stupidly wide desktop again
[16:52] <njpatel_> it even detects all the properties off the displayport properly
[16:52] <Sarvatt> no worries, I'll ping you when its in the proper distro kernel so you dont have to keep using that crack :)
[16:53] <njpatel> heh, thanks :)
[16:53] <njpatel> if you need any testing done on silly intel setups, let me know
[16:54] <njpatel> though, as I'm developing Unity, there is already stupid testing happening ;)
[16:55] <Sarvatt> I'm surprised it works too honestly :) your laptop panel turns off so you can use the vga and displayport?
[17:01] <njpatel> I haven't tried switching on the laptop panel too
[17:02] <njpatel> let me try.....
[17:02]  * njpatel expects things will die now
[17:02] <njpatel> yeah, not happening :)
[17:02] <Sarvatt> naaah not worth the hassle, was just surprised it did the right thing for a change
[17:03] <njpatel> it thinks it's on but nothing showing up
[17:03] <njpatel> and can't move the pointer there
[17:03] <njpatel> i'm just surprised it's *so* fast
[17:03] <njpatel> scale/expo etc work really smoothly
[17:03] <Sarvatt> yeah good riddance clutter!!!
[17:03] <njpatel> heh :)
[17:04] <njpatel> oh, just got a notification letting me know that the "selected configuration for displays could not be applied"
[17:04] <njpatel> I hate that this makes me like the intel driver
[22:57] <Sarvatt> bdmurray: duping all "failed to install/upgrade" bugs from nvidia-current and fglrx-installer's bugs to 557023 when casper is present in ProcCmdLine: in the description would knock out a HUGE chunk of bugs if you have a way to automate that easily
[22:58] <bdmurray> Sarvatt: yes, I could do that
[23:00] <Sarvatt> heck, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer?field.searchtext=failed+to+casper grabs them too :)
[23:01] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers?field.searchtext=failed+to+casper whee
[23:03] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers?field.searchtext=failed+script+returned+error+exit+casper is better
[23:04] <bdmurray> I've just been searching for apport-package as a parameter and the examining the bugs
[23:05] <Sarvatt> casper is only there when apport collects the info off the livecd so those are all for sure dupes, that's a nice chunk of bugs to knock out
[23:05] <bdmurray> I'm fairly certain LiveMediaBuild indicates that it is a live cd too
[23:06] <Sarvatt> ah yeah thats even better
[23:06] <Sarvatt> maybe someone decides to talk about casper the friendly ghost in the bug summary
[23:06] <bdmurray> well, now my code is a bit better than that
 intel_reg_write 0xa090 0x88040000
 vs
 intel_reg_write 0xa090 0x88000000
 is a 4W difference
[23:08] <Sarvatt> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[23:08] <Sarvatt> holy crap, huge power savings for intel incoming
[23:10] <Sarvatt> well for 965gm+ at least
[23:11] <ion> The byte 2 defines the number of watts to use to heat the room?
[23:13] <Sarvatt> enables a power saving feature that wasn't getting enabled, and boo it's just sandybridge, already enabled on the others
[23:23] <Sarvatt> heh some of these bugs have pages and pages of duplicates already too
[23:24] <Sarvatt> so glad I dont have to fix that manually anymore
[23:29] <bryceh> Sarvatt, wow
[23:29] <Sarvatt> ok nvidia-graphics-drivers and nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 done, need to do 96 and 173
[23:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, makes me wonder what that register does...
[23:30] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=failed+script+returned+error+exit+LiveMediaBuild would all be the same bug across all packages if it would work
[23:30] <Sarvatt> bryceh: enables rc6
[23:30] <bryceh> what's rc6?
[23:30] <Sarvatt> google intel rc6 render standby
[23:31] <Sarvatt> dang https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=failed+script+returned+error+exit+LiveMediaBuild is just too much for poor little launchpad
[23:32] <Sarvatt> oh it worked! 1 → 75 of 233 results
[23:32] <Sarvatt> 233 more dupes..
[23:35] <Sarvatt> bryceh:  it lowers the voltage on the gpu down to almost nothing when idle


[00:20] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ping
[00:22] <apachelogger> I am getting to old for staying out all night and getting wasted
[00:23] <apachelogger> life is rather cruel
[00:23] <DarkwingDuck> lol Hey apachelogger
[00:23] <DarkwingDuck> Natty hate VirtualBox on my system
[00:23] <apachelogger> yo DarkwingDuck
[00:23] <stalcup> my computer hates linux :(
[00:23] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[00:24]  * stalcup wants a new computer
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> Linux runs just fine... it's VirtualBox that hates me
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> I swear
[00:24] <apachelogger> use qemu
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> qemu?
[00:24] <apachelogger> stalcup: join some price game thing?
[00:24] <stalcup> I have to use virtual box to do my linux stuff
[00:24] <stalcup> apachelogger: good idear
[00:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: not-oracle virtualisation ;)
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> Oh nice
[00:25]  * apachelogger thinks he needs another round of drugs
[00:25] <stalcup> ohmy
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: anything non-oracle would be good
[00:25] <apachelogger> trying all day to recover from last night
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: is it in the repository?
[00:26] <apachelogger> qemu?
[00:26] <apachelogger> sure
[00:27] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VciwWFpDwY
[00:27] <apachelogger> one day I will get an alarm clock that throws depeche mode at me
[00:27] <apachelogger> oh, imagine how awesome waking up must be like that...
[00:27] <jjesse> just write a script so amarok does it for you :P
[00:28] <apachelogger> sure
[00:28] <apachelogger> and then amarok crashes or memleaks and stuff
[00:28] <apachelogger> and then I do not wake up and stuff
[00:28] <apachelogger> I'd rather trust shadeslayer with all my money
[00:28] <apachelogger> ooh
[00:29] <apachelogger> seems I missed LinuxTag call for papers thanks to drinking
[00:29]  * v waits for maco comment on nick changes
[00:33] <stalcup> done, i promise
[00:39] <DarkwingDuck> ohhh goody.... something more involved
[00:39]  * DarkwingDuck goes to read up on qemu
[00:54] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck working on something fuN?
[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: trying to get Natty to run in a VM
[00:55] <jjesse> me 2
[00:56] <jjesse> i can get ubuntu natty to run but right now my kubuntu natty boots to a black screen
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> yeah, that's what mine was doing.
[00:57] <apachelogger> I recon the new xorg arrived :P
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> I'm reinstalling it as the pure Alpha1 and try it from there.
[00:58] <jjesse> yup, now on updated ubuntu natty it goes to black screen
[00:58] <jjesse> that was the most current daily + update
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> So, do not update theh xorg package... Got ya
[01:05] <jjesse> apparently
[01:06] <jjesse> would be nice if there was notification someplace
[01:10]  * DarkwingDuck agrees
[01:11] <DarkwingDuck> If only we had a tool tha we could use to tell people when things like this happened...
[01:12] <jjesse> hrmm like twitter?
[01:12] <DarkwingDuck> Or something that would send a message out to everyone
[01:12] <DarkwingDuck> Like a mailing list... </sarcasm>
[01:12] <jjesse> like a mailing list :)
[01:12] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> Why does the Doc maillist get the user help emails?
[01:22] <jjesse> because of the way the help section is written i believe
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> Sweet mother of god.
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> Here is that wonderful error
[01:23] <jjesse> in X?
[01:23] <DarkwingDuck> No, the alpha1
[01:23] <DarkwingDuck> console-setup is in a broken state
[01:24]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: in VirtualBox how would I trigger tty1?
[01:26] <jjesse> hrmm if you have full control of the vm same as normal right?
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Just the mouseover control
[01:27] <jjesse> hrm
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> It triggers the host.
[01:27] <jjesse> don't know then off the top of my head
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[01:36] <DarkwingDuck> hmz
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> Well, it's a good thing I didn't install 11.04 on my lappy
[01:41] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: X change was announced on either ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-announce
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh, the side I'm not subscribed to...
[01:42]  * DarkwingDuck goes to subscribe to those lists.
[02:45] <aditirex> did something broke in kernel on today's updates ?
[02:46] <jjesse> nope its X
[02:46] <aditirex> or X ...
[02:47] <aditirex> so how can I revert it ?
[02:48] <jjesse> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.html
[02:54] <aditirex> thks
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, that link explain what was going on but for those of us testing with black screens... Is there way to fix it for now or, wait for the fix?
[05:55] <valorie> hey DarkwingDuck
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> Hye valorie
[05:56] <valorie> you got as far last night as telling me to install bzr
[05:56] <valorie> which I did
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> don't update your alpha 1
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[05:56] <valorie> anything special I should be reading, or ?
[05:56] <valorie> i'm not brave enough for Natty yet
[05:56] <valorie> I gotta USE this puter
[05:57] <valorie> and VMs -- no luck so far
[05:57] <valorie> I mean I got one set up, but never installed kub. successfully in it
[05:57]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[05:57] <valorie> turns out that was due to a bug, but that's as far as I ever got, testing
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: gimme a sec
[06:06] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: you know anything about HTML?
[06:10] <valorie> yes, I'm reasonably good
[06:11] <valorie> I code my pages by hand, etc.
[06:13] <DarkwingDuck> okay good.
[06:13] <DarkwingDuck> make a folder for kubuntu docs where you will find it.
[06:14] <valorie> done
[06:15] <DarkwingDuck> navigate to it in konsole
[06:17] <valorie> ok, there
[06:17] <valorie> :~/Documents/KubuntuDocs$
[06:18] <DarkwingDuck> now
[06:18] <DarkwingDuck> type the following: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs
[06:20] <valorie> You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to
[06:20] <valorie> write to Launchpad or access private data.  See "bzr help launchpad-login".
[06:20] <valorie> it is downloading, though
[06:20] <valorie> I think I have a lp id
[06:20] <valorie> I have an account
[06:21] <DarkwingDuck> It's okay... you wont be uploading anything from there.
[06:21] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman
[06:21] <valorie> ok
[06:22] <valorie> alrighty, it's done downloading
[06:22] <valorie> Branched 199 revision(s).
[06:22] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[06:23] <DarkwingDuck> Before you check spells, grammer ect you will want to check for new revisions.
[06:23] <DarkwingDuck> each time.
[06:23] <DarkwingDuck> the command for that is bzr update
[06:23] <DarkwingDuck> in cd docs is where the docs are listed.
[06:23] <valorie> so cd to kubdocs, and bzr update
[06:24] <DarkwingDuck> yup
[06:24] <DarkwingDuck> current revision is 199
[06:24] <DarkwingDuck> They are XML files.
[06:24] <DarkwingDuck> so, the about file is under about/C/about.xml
[06:25] <DarkwingDuck> When you open and edit them the simpliest thigns to do is to edit them and save them to a secondary spot to email to myself or jjesse
[06:25] <DarkwingDuck> So you don't mess up your revisions
[06:26] <valorie> email to both of you, or ?
[06:26] <DarkwingDuck> One of the other
[06:26] <DarkwingDuck> of/or
[06:27] <valorie> ok, so maybe ask who is available
[06:27] <DarkwingDuck> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:27] <valorie> and jjesse?
[06:27] <DarkwingDuck> uhhhhh.... I'll have to look it up
[06:28] <valorie> I can email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if that will help keep everything ship-shape
[06:28] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse[@]gmail
[06:29] <DarkwingDuck> Now, when we file a doc as DONE in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty thats when it's ready for review
[06:30] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:30] <DarkwingDuck> I need to figure out over the next couple days what docs are done and what needs to be done.
[06:30] <DarkwingDuck> So we can update that page.
[06:31] <DarkwingDuck> and with that.. the wife is calling... I bid thee all g'night
[06:31] <valorie> niters
[06:31] <DarkwingDuck> too confusing valorie?
[06:31] <valorie> well, I don't know how to access the docs
[06:32] <valorie> or edit them
[06:32] <valorie> use kate?
[06:32] <DarkwingDuck> kubuntu-docs/docs/topicfolder/C/docname.xml
[06:32] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, you can use kate
[06:33] <DarkwingDuck> So, example of the about.xml doc... it will be in kubuntu-docs/about/C/about.xml
[06:35] <valorie> question -- I now have the above doc open in kate
[06:35] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[06:36] <valorie> where can I see what that doc looks like as published?
[06:37] <valorie> I'm keeping notes about this in kate, as well
[06:37] <valorie> and no, so far nothing is confusing
[06:38] <valorie> oh, sec
[06:38] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[06:43] <valorie> sorry, when the old dog wants out of bed, it has to be now
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:43] <valorie> or it means a cleanup job
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> I'll catch ya tomorrow night.
[06:43] <valorie> and I've already done that once tonight!
[06:43] <valorie> he just turned 16
[06:44] <valorie> niters -- I'll poke around a bit
[06:44] <valorie> thanks for the help
[06:45] <DarkwingDuck> Anytime valorie
[07:23] <jussi> Morning all
[07:23] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: long time no see!
[07:27] <jussi> So, Im on the kde 4.6 from the ppa, (4.5.95 - beta 2) and I'm getting the following error with kajong:  * kajongg is not correctly installed: modules: No module named animation
[07:28] <valorie> I get the same error, jussi
[07:28] <jussi> do we think its a packaging, or upstream error?
[07:29] <valorie> I've never started it up before, so no clue here
[07:29] <yofel> hm, happens too here in natty http://paste.kde.org/3685/
[07:29] <valorie> maybe #kde will know?
[07:32] <valorie> heh, #kde-devel , I should have said
[07:34] <yofel> the source has animation.py
[07:35] <yofel> I'll check what list-missing shows
[07:41] <jussi> yofel: thanks :)
[07:41] <jussi> (I miss my mahjong )
[07:48] <yofel> yeap
[07:48] <yofel> -./usr/share/kde4/apps/kajongg/animation.py
[07:48] <yofel> not the only one it seems
[07:48] <yofel> they drown a bit in the .pyc list :S http://paste.kde.org/3686/
[08:23] <yofel> better
[08:24] <yofel> no, still fails..
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'd be spending all your moniez on neon and conf.kde.in
[13:24] <apachelogger> :O
[13:24] <apachelogger> scary
[13:24] <shadeslayer> i hope they aren't space bucks
[13:25] <shadeslayer> oh maybe buy some more bandwidth for myself too :P
[13:25] <apachelogger> you are a selfish person
[13:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have like ... 256kbps of bandwidth
[13:26] <shadeslayer> took me 3 hours to download alll of neon
[13:26] <shadeslayer> -l
[13:26] <apachelogger> because you are not lzmaing it
[13:26] <shadeslayer> actually we are
[13:26] <shadeslayer> im pretty sure we use lzma compression in rules
[13:27] <apachelogger> then you did something wrong
[13:27] <apachelogger> also my feet are cold
[13:27] <apachelogger> also I am hungry
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats why the download is 500 MB and the install size is 1.5GB
[13:27]  * apachelogger shall go out find something to eat
[13:27]  * shadeslayer passes some chips to apachelogger
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:         dh_builddeb -- -Z lzma
[13:28] <shadeslayer> we have that in our rules file
[13:28] <apachelogger> you only have one rules file? :O
[13:29] <shadeslayer> thats all that is needed ... one debian/rules
[13:29] <shadeslayer> [ for each package ]
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: your brand new thinkpad has a bazillion fingerprints :S
[14:01] <shadeslayer> or is it the lighting
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: he probably already had tea on it and stuff :P
[15:05] <apachelogger> I sure would have ^^
[15:05] <shadeslayer> hahaha :D
[15:06] <shadeslayer> now i have to write a article on Net neutrality
[15:06] <shadeslayer> *sigh
[15:07] <apachelogger> oh
[15:07] <apachelogger> ah
[15:07] <apachelogger> why is it that mvo has a shitty looking software center
[15:07] <apachelogger> that is a bit scary
[15:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is net neutrality?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its ISP's being evil and charging you for each GB of pr0n you download
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/its-here-fcc-adopts-net-neutrality-lite.ars
[15:10] <shadeslayer> its come to india as well
[15:10] <shadeslayer> and im once again in the future
[15:12] <apachelogger> what what what?
[15:12] <apachelogger> charging you per pr0n?!?!?!
[15:12] <apachelogger> wtf
[15:12] <apachelogger> that is death of the intarwebs right there
[15:12] <shadeslayer> yes it is
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: google it and you'll see loads of articles
[15:13] <apachelogger> I do not like reading
[15:13] <apachelogger> also I think I will play a computer game
[15:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: a friend is interested in Java + KDE
[15:14] <shadeslayer> any suggestions ?
[15:15] <apachelogger> yep
[15:15] <apachelogger> lock him away
[15:15] <apachelogger> hold on
[15:15] <apachelogger> that was not english, was it?
[15:15] <apachelogger> s/away/up
[15:15] <apachelogger> sounds better anyway
[15:15] <apachelogger> so
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:15]  * apachelogger looks for game to play
[15:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Steam
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/otzaP.png
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/Zstz0.png
[16:48] <shadeslayer> i prefer the oxygen icons for debs
[16:49] <shadeslayer> call me old fashioned ... but i just like them P
[16:49] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> those are the oxygen icons for .debs since 4.6
[16:50] <yofel> indeed, look odd
[16:50] <yofel> where did you get the icon extraction from?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/master/changes/src/debfile.cpp
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> It takes the app icon and then overlays it against the application-x-deb mimetype icon
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> I'm contemplating whether or not I want to have the mimetype icon in the background at all, or just have the app icon by itself
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> better link: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/debfile.cpp
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> oh, it seems like the kde plugin system automatically gives me an overlay of the mimetype icon in the bottom right corner: http://i.imgur.com/80N7o.png
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> looks better now I think: http://i.imgur.com/OM5F5.png
[17:02] <shadeslayer> i still prefer my deb icons
[17:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:11] <ximion> JontheEchidna: cool!
[17:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how is performance?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried out Neon yet?
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it got through 108 files in under 5 seconds, so pretty good I think
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I am developing windows nowadays
[17:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sweet
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rm -rf /media/Windows -> now thats Development
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> I'm still playing with the thumbnail picture
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> xpm's don't like being scaled, though: http://i.imgur.com/fiOcJ.png
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking I should only use those as a fallback
[17:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: most definitely
[17:18] <apachelogger> stupid xpm is way too horrible :P
[17:19] <ximion> JontheEchidna: have you heard of the AppStream project already?
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> ximion: I saw glatzor's blog about it
[17:20] <ximion> ah
[17:21] <ximion> at the miniconf, it was decided to use the USC as cross-distro software-center...
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's great for the gnomes I guess
[17:21] <ximion> since USC is for GNOME, I took a look at how MSC works...
[17:21] <apachelogger> usc?
[17:21] <ximion> you don't use Xapian directly, do you?
[17:22] <ximion> usc => ubuntu software center
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> only for package searching
[17:22] <apachelogger> kk
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I use the .desktop files in app-install-data
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> iirc USC has some xapian indexer plugin that goes over those .desktop files
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> and uses xapian for everything
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> but
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> MSC is faster than USC, so... ;=)
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> *;-)
[17:23]  * yofel wonders if that's what keeps usc running for minutes using 100% CPU after closing it...
[17:24] <ximion> ok... hmm, this makes it difficult to use it as cross-distro software center :P (I'm just playing with all this stuff at time to find sane solutions to handle 3rd-party apps...)
[17:24] <ximion> yofel: Might be the aptdaemon python tool
[17:24] <ximion> btw: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/01/24/application-installer-miniconf-trip-report/
[17:24] <ximion> AppStream will become awesome, if everything works out as planned :)
[17:25] <ximion> JontheEchidna: MSC definitely is faster, but I thought it was because of C++ vs. Python...
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> well, there's that too of course :P
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> i need some advice
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> though xapian is pretty fast for searching, maybe it is just the pyth0rn
[17:25] <shadeslayer> how do i check if there is form data on a page?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> darn it ... why did i not see  KWebWallet::acceptSaveFormDataRequest earlier
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> Comparing the time it takes in each app to open the "Installed Software" view would be a pretty good comparison between xapian query and my C++ class for Application data
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh and btw, I've finished the backend bits needed for adding .debs that you downloaded from another computer to the cache, so that you can install things without internet access
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> For a frontend, I plan on adding a menu item for the internetless computer to export a list of packages to download, and a GUI for the internet'd computer to download them to the USB stick
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> and then a menu item to open up a dialog to add archives from the USB stick
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> it'll be much better than Synaptic's wget script :P
 apachelogger: oh and btw, I've finished the backend bits needed for adding .debs that you downloaded from another computer to the cache, so that you can install things without internet access
[17:34] <shadeslayer> AWESOME ^^^
[17:55] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: ping
[17:57] <Quintasan_> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: I'm ill, don't count on me on anything at least till Wednesday
[17:58] <yofel> oh, get well soon :)
[18:00] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: yes?
[18:01] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: long time no see back at ya! :P:P
[18:01] <jussi> yofel: any luck with kahjongg?
[18:01] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: I've been without a working computer for a bit... back now though
[18:01] <jussi> excellent. mhows the GMS  going?
[18:03] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: seeing that I got this thing less then a week ago I'm still trying to get things built back onto it.
[18:04] <yofel> no, I messed the package I had up, so had to start fresh, but even with all installed filed added it still doesn't work, so it seems the install script for kajongg is broken
[18:04] <yofel> s/filed/files/
[18:04] <kubotu> yofel meant: "no, I messed the package I had up, so had to start fresh, but even with all installed files added it still doesn't work, so it seems the install script for kajongg is broken"
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: get well soon :)
[18:07] <yofel> jussi: thanks for reminding me though, I'll look at it again
[18:16] <afiestas> what d I have to install to get video thumbnails? (I'm using Natty)
[18:16] <shadeslayer> afiestas: one sec
[18:17] <shadeslayer> afiestas: ffmpegthumbnailer
[18:17] <shadeslayer> or rather kffmpegthumbnailer
[18:18] <afiestas> ookiz, thanks
[18:18] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: are you using graphicssystem raster as default, now?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> nopety nope
[18:19] <shadeslayer> openoffice doesnt like raster
[18:19] <mgraesslin> good
[18:19] <shadeslayer> buggy?
[18:19] <mgraesslin> also not in the 4.6 ppa for Maverick?
[18:19] <mgraesslin> causing mavock with Intel drivers
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:20] <mgraesslin> and we have several ubuntu reports
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> it is default in natty. should we revert?
[18:20] <mgraesslin> that's why I asked
[18:20] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: wait .. it is?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> im on maverick
[18:20] <afiestas> on Natty it is
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> yes, we were testing it out for natty and were waiting for feedback
[18:20] <yofel> how does one check if it's enabled?
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> looks like we have feedback :o)
[18:20] <shadeslayer> aha ... then there's your feedback :P
[18:21] <yofel> ah QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster
[18:21] <mgraesslin> bug 264259
[18:21] <shadeslayer> kde bug 264259
[18:22] <yofel> well, I can't find anything yet that crashes here
[18:22] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: ^^ that one?
[18:22] <mgraesslin> yes
[18:22] <mgraesslin> but we have more
[18:22] <mgraesslin> I am just going through my bug mails
[18:22] <shadeslayer> i dont have QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM set anywhere
[18:23] <mgraesslin> it's probably set at compile time
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe break some more stuff in neon and set that var? :D
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> we have an xsession script in kubuntu-default-settings in natty that sets the env var
[18:24] <yofel> sure, add it, can't really get any worse ^^
[18:24] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: were enabling that 'feature' in neon .. so you'll still get bug reports .. but from devs :D
[18:25] <mgraesslin> which is not much of a help as we know it's broken ;-)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> hahah... :P
[18:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe we could have something like : breakmyneon
[18:26] <mgraesslin> we just have a confirmance in #kwin from a gentoo user that switching to native fixed the issue
[18:26] <shadeslayer> that enables all sorts of experimental stuff
[18:27] <mgraesslin> Sput: did switching to native fix the issue you mentioned yesterday for you?
[18:27] <yofel> rather a config option somewhere
[18:27] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: raster might have landed in backports
[18:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^^ ideas on that
[18:28] <mgraesslin> given the bug reports I would assume so
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it would have unless you backported kubuntu-default-settings
[18:28] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thats what im checking
[18:28] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: or they could be using apachelogger KCM module to switch stuff
[18:28] <mgraesslin> yes could be
[18:28] <shadeslayer> s/apachelogger/apachelogger's
[18:29] <CIA-40> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem debian/changelog) Remove etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem, as upstream has reported it to cause "havoc" with the intel drivers
[18:29] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:29] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: by default its still disabled in maverick
[18:29] <mgraesslin> so they probably used the KCM
[18:29] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:30] <shadeslayer> or all of them are running natty :P
[18:30] <yofel> hm... I need to use my eeePC more, that has natty and intel, but didn't seem broken to me...
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> I've done an upload disabling the env var being set in natty
[18:30] <mgraesslin> unlikely
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> gotta go in to town now, bbiab
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ciao
[18:30] <shadeslayer> im sleeping as well
[18:38] <apachelogger> hmmhmm
[18:38] <apachelogger> what does not cause havoc with teh intel drivers?
[18:38] <apachelogger> stupid intel -.-
[18:40] <yofel> everything
[18:40] <yofel> my eeePC even gives me 256 color depth today
[18:40] <afiestas> the current stack in Natty works very well here
[18:41] <yofel> call yourself lucky then
[18:41] <afiestas> in fact, my kde never worked so well and smooth
[19:05] <debfx> any kubuntu-devs around? apachelogger?
[19:30] <apachelogger> debfx: no
[19:32] <debfx> :P
[19:33] <debfx> apachelogger: could you please upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/synaptiks_0.4.0-1ubuntu3.debdiff
[19:34] <debfx> the package has been empty since the last upload but no one noticed it ^^
[19:35] <apachelogger> debfx: not on a linux box right now
[19:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: The email on ML about libmarblewidget
[19:57] <Quintasan> did you get it sorted out
[19:57] <Quintasan> ?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> yay, the 2.6.38 kernel can handle my laptop screen brightness properly
[20:29] <debfx> Quintasan: do you want your new upload powers to sponsor synaptiks? :)
[20:33] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: do you know whether 2.6.38 will be in natty?
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: it's in right now
[20:39]  * ari-tczew is thinking why 2.6.37 still is in his natty.
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> dunno. I have it and I'm even out of date :P http://i.imgur.com/ikF7V.png
[21:29] <apachelogger> arrr
[21:29] <apachelogger> debfx: did ye plunder get uploaded?
[21:47] <ryanakca> Could someone please use their superpowers and confirm/subscribe ubuntu-archive to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knmap/+bug/710358 ?
[21:57] <debfx> apachelogger: thanks for uploading
[21:57] <debfx> ryanakca: done
[22:05] <ryanakca> debfx: Thanks
[22:39] <Riddell> debfx: seen http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/synaptiks?content=114270 ?
[22:39] <Riddell> being discussed in #debian-qt-kde
[22:47] <debfx> Riddell: rewritten in python, that's a package for apachelogger ;)


[00:06] <soreau> Azelphur: Did you figure it out?
[00:06] <Azelphur> yep, krename does really good at that
[00:07] <soreau> where's the fun in that? :P
[00:07] <Azelphur> haha
[00:08] <solarcloud_3scrn> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/12/shopping-lens-for-gnome-shell/  has this chated about before ? someone ditched in favourite #channels Glist  so I lost the log ..
[00:09] <AlanBell> I did mention it earlier :)
[00:09] <solarcloud_3scrn> col.
[00:09] <solarcloud_3scrn> **cool.
[00:10] <AlanBell> have you tried it?
[00:10] <solarcloud_3scrn> No, I'm stil on Meerkat ..I'm surprised it work with .es .. I can never loggon and tagg books there ...
[00:16] <Shuboni> Hello, I feel like I'm going around in circles with a problem I'm having.
[00:16] <AlanBell> what problem Shuboni?
[00:17] <AlanBell> it is a bit late
[00:19] <Shuboni> Sorry.  See, I'm trying to install zenity-common.  Every time I go to install it using gdebi, I get an error.  "Failed to completely install all dependencies."
[00:21] <Shuboni> I'm unsure what other information is needed, I'm a bit new to Ubuntu.
[00:21] <AlanBell> !info zenity-common
[00:22] <AlanBell> why are you using gdebi? it should install from the software centre
[00:23] <Shuboni> The software center tells me that it's already installed.
[00:23] <AlanBell> maybe it is :)
[00:24] <Shuboni> I need it to install steam.  When I try to install Steam, gdebi states that I don't have it.
[00:24] <AlanBell> aaah, right try asking in #ubuntu-steam or telling steam about it in their web forum thing
[00:25] <AlanBell> night all o/
[00:25] <Shuboni> Thank you very much!
[00:25] <solarcloud_3scrn> noght AlanBell .. you shuld get some IOM post on Monday ...
[00:26] <AlanBell> ooh :)
[08:03] <kaushal> Hi
[08:03] <ali1234> AlanBell: you made slashdot
[08:03] <kaushal> is there a way to lock screen in Ubuntu 11.10 when there is no activity for 5 mins?
[08:04] <kaushal> Screen Lock?
[08:04] <kaushal> does it do the work?
[08:14] <dwatkins> kaushal: I installed xscreensaver, but for the pretty screensavers mainly, I think it also locks the screen.
[09:38] <AlanBell> ali1234: woot!
[09:52] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:54] <bashrc> good morning
[10:11] <ali1234> does anyone know about masthead amplifiers?
[10:13] <popey> we have one
[10:13] <popey> well, had
[10:13] <ali1234> well, they send the power up the aerial cable right?
[10:13] <popey> yes
[10:14] <ali1234> so i've got two tv points and one of them has a funny white box connected inline with the aerial
[10:15] <ali1234> if it isn't connected neither of the tv points works
[10:15] <ali1234> at first i thought it was a booster but when i switched it for a different booster it didn't work at all
[10:15] <popey> is the white box connected to the mains?
[10:15] <ali1234> so it must be the powersupply for masthead amplifier
[10:16] <ali1234> yes
[10:16] <popey> sounds like it then
[10:16] <ali1234> and it says "triax" on it and nthing else
[10:16] <ali1234> well, boosters connect to the mains too
[10:16] <popey> is there a box on the mast?
[10:16] <ali1234> i dunno i'd have to go outside
[10:16] <ali1234> brb
[10:18] <ali1234> looks like it :)
[10:18] <popey> ours broke a while back, probably water logged
[10:19] <ali1234> everything works fine as long as this box is plugged in :)
[10:19] <ali1234> the trouble is someone keeps turning it off on the other socket which breaks my TV
[10:19] <popey> put it on your socket and not theirs?
[10:19] <ali1234> that's what i'm going to do
[10:20] <ali1234> it does work on my socket
[10:20] <ali1234> but i'm wondering how it knows to filter out the DC
[10:20] <ali1234> hmm if i put my meter on the aerial socket i should get DC from it...
[10:22] <ali1234> heh... 12.35 V
[10:22] <ali1234> well that explains that
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:24] <popey> how does the TV filter it?
[10:37] <ali1234> popey: it doesn't. it seems the amplifier has more than one connection, and can accept the DC on any connection, and filter it from the others
[10:37] <popey> neat
[10:37] <popey> oh of course, the dc doesnt get to the telly
[10:37] <ali1234> i don't know how it does this but it must, based on measuring the DC at each socket while it is plugged in
[10:38] <ali1234> i did accidentally plug it in my tv tuner to the wrong side of the power supply while testing
[10:38] <ali1234> and the weird thing is not only did it not explode, it actually got a signal too
[10:39] <ali1234> i've been trying to figure out why i can't get a signal at night time for like 2 years
[10:40] <ormiret> I would expect capacitors to kill the DC on most inputs. You never know what someone is going to plug in...
[10:40] <celesteh> hello, I've just upgraded my lenovo tablet to 12.0.4 ubuntu studio and i've been having majo problems with ghost touches whenever i have anything dark on screen, the computer gets fairly unusable.  I found this web page which claims to have the solution: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Calibration/Ntrig but the script is not working - it looks for files that don't exist:  /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/*/*1B96* . I'm not sure what t
[10:40] <celesteh> o do.
[10:41] <mgdm> ali1234: we have one of those too - the PSU is connected to the aerial with an F connector instead of the standard aerial connector, so you'd be doing well to connect it wrong
[10:41] <ali1234> this one is just standard coax connectors
[10:42] <ali1234> i have a box of adapters though, so i could still connect it wrong if i wanted to
[10:42] <mgdm> hehe
[10:46] <popey> yeah, ours uses f connectors too
[10:47] <celesteh> is it possible to run a windows executable firmware updater in wine?  http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles/fwdi01en.txt
[10:48] <popey> i wouldn't
[10:48] <popey> i installed windows in a separate partition just last night on my lenovo to install a bios update
[10:48] <jacobw> i don't think so
[10:49] <popey> lenovo make bootable cd bios updates too though
[10:49] <popey> so you dont have to have windows
[10:49] <celesteh> oh, that's handy
[10:50] <celesteh> it's not easy to find on their website, though....
[10:54] <celesteh> the bios update also contains the firmware updater?
[10:54] <celesteh> or would i put the firm ware updating programme on a pen drive and then run it while boted from the bios CD?
[10:55] <popey> i found it for my laptop last night pretty easily
[10:55] <popey> assumed they did it for other laptops
[10:55] <ali1234> bios updater? use a dos bootdisk
[10:56] <ali1234> unless you have windows 8/uefi. in that case give up
[10:56] <popey> http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/research/hints-or-tips/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-77280
[10:56] <popey> for example, filter on bios and there's a bootable thing there
[11:10] <celesteh> ah, i found the disk image!  Will the bios updater also update the firmware, or is that a separate issue?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: You can cross that off your bucket list then ;)
[11:14] <AlanBell> hehe, well I have been slashdotted before
[11:33] <jacobw> AlanBell: well done, the extensions looks great
[11:58] <AlanBell> thanks jacobw
[12:04] <Azelphur> Woo, got my first threat-o-gram from the TV licensing folks, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/December/2012-12-31%2011.52.06.jpg
[12:05] <Azelphur> (despite what the letter says, it is actually the first I've heard from them :p)
[12:05] <daftykins> :D
[12:05] <daftykins> past occupier probably left them hanging too
[12:05] <Azelphur> yea probably
[12:05] <daftykins> i'm planning on not paying for one in my new place, as i neither watch nor record TV
[12:06] <daftykins> and i see that their site has been nicely updated to tell you you're exempt even if you own one now :>
[12:06] <Azelphur> daftykins: my sentiments exactly, I have a box with XBMC on it, it does everything I want and I don't watch Live TV.
[12:06] <daftykins> :D
[12:06] <kvarley> Easiest way to let everybody read/write/execute on an external hard drive?
[12:06] <daftykins> i don't even know if they have a local person to go around and do it
[12:06] <Azelphur> kvarley: 777?
[12:07] <daftykins> ownership becomes a problem too
[12:07] <Azelphur> daftykins: apparently they are coming from canterbury, that's a fair distance (~40 mins drive)
[12:07] <daftykins> user+group
[12:07] <daftykins> :D
[12:07] <kvarley> I just want anybody regardless of user/group to be able to read and write
[12:08] <daftykins> Azelphur: do you think you'd go for the refusal of entry approach if someone did show up, or let them in and justify how it's exempt?
[12:08] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm following what TV License resistence say to do, which is to no comment everything
[12:08] <kvarley> Used nautilus to set nobody as owner and nogroup and read and write on all. Ty anyway :) Azelphur
[12:08] <Azelphur> If you let them in they have been known to do best efforts to falsify evidence
[12:09] <Azelphur> kvarley: welcome :)
[12:09] <daftykins> :O cheeky swines
[12:09] <Azelphur> daftykins: they do cheeky stuff like poke their fingers in the antenna socket to become a human antenna in order to get the thing to have a signal so they can nab ya, so I've read.
[12:09] <daftykins> i did seem some interesting youtube vids XD
[12:09] <Azelphur> and there's plenty on youtube ranging from them lying about the law is, to outright assault
[12:10] <daftykins> O_O
[12:10] <daftykins> must be a nasty job
[12:10] <Azelphur> indeed
[12:10] <daftykins> my little screwdriver set from ifixit.com just showed up :D
[12:11] <Azelphur> I also plan to film them for my own safety, as I say based on the youtube videos they seem like a vicious bunch
[12:11] <Azelphur> yay little screwdriver
[12:11] <daftykins> :D
[12:11] <daftykins> http://www.ifixit.com/Tools/54-Bit-Driver-Kit/IF145-022-1
[12:11] <daftykins> very nifty. now i've got the Torx size 6 to do the SSD upgrade in a friends macbook pro :>
[12:11] <Azelphur> snazzy
[12:13] <daftykins> hmm you're quite the easterner over there eh? :>
[12:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[12:14] <Azelphur> can only go more east if you go swimming
[12:14] <Azelphur> :P
[12:16] <daftykins> nice 'n' breezy at this time i assume?
[12:16] <Azelphur> it's actually quiet atm, last night was really windy though
[12:16] <Azelphur> it's annoying because I have crappy windows, so you get gusts of wind coming in and the blinds all rattle about :p
[12:17] <daftykins> =[
[12:17] <daftykins> new place o' mine is 17th century listed, with the funky thin windows and rope and weight operated to slide open
[12:17] <Azelphur> on the bright side, the holes in my window were big enough to poke some cat6 through, haha
[12:17] <daftykins> though it's quite sheltered so it shouldn't be too bad
[12:17] <daftykins> lmao
[12:18] <daftykins> to go between floors, or?
[12:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: brother lives next door :p
[12:19] <Azelphur> nicking his internet since openreach have 2 month delays to get my line activated :<
[12:19] <daftykins> ah-har
[12:20] <Azelphur> indeed, I applied at the beginning of December and they won't connect me till feb
[12:20] <daftykins> useless ;x
[12:20] <Azelphur> yea xD
[12:21] <daftykins> i'm probably going to do a 2 year contract to get the Technicolor (aka Thomson) router for the local VDSL service once i'm in my place
[12:21] <Azelphur> yea, I've done a contract with talktalk for 75mbit (they seem to be the best bang for buck)
[12:21] <daftykins> they say they post it, but the telco HQ is about 100m away along the highstreet in town here :D my place is about 10 paces from the highstreet
[12:22] <penguin42> Azelphur: http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/06/ofcom-uk-names-talktalk-most-complained-broadband-isp.html   yeuch
[12:23] <Azelphur> penguin42: that's odd, I read another article saying they were rated #4 in the country for customer satisfaction
[12:24] <daftykins> that's probably just standard ADSL services and customers with super shoddy lines not helping that
[12:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[12:25] <daftykins> actually sky didn't get many complaints and i think a lot of mainlanders go with them since they do cheap services?
[12:25] <Azelphur> I've had an ok experience with them so far, their sales guy was nice
[12:25] <Seeker`> need to work out how they gauged satisfaction :P
[12:25]  * kvarley was with talktalk and left
[12:26] <Azelphur> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/12/sky-broadband-tops-ofcom-study-of-uk-isp-customer-satisfaction.html ah here we go
[12:26] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone seen the new Q190 Lenovo yet .. looks like it could be a winner for Ubuntu TV ? On the Left ... http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/15/lenovo-intros-ideacentre-q190-htpc-new-c-series-all-in-ones/ ::: ALSO .. http://doiop.com/Q190-galleries
[12:27] <daftykins> ubuntu TV? what are they doing now D:
[12:27] <Azelphur> solarcloud_3scrn: haha too late for me, I just built mine in this case http://www.fiercepc.co.uk/XCase_Q100_HTPC_Case.jpg
[12:28] <solarcloud_3scrn> opening ..
[12:28] <Azelphur> quite spiffy for a 40 quid case, comes with a remote too
[12:28] <daftykins> those ouya console looks great for an XBMC machine. $99 tegra3 games console
[12:29] <daftykins> ignore the grammar fail
[12:29] <solarcloud_3scrn> Azelphur,  yeah .. looks ok .. silver-something it's called as brand name isn't it ??
[12:29] <Azelphur> solarcloud_3scrn: it's an X-Case Q100
[12:29] <Azelphur> I got it from here http://www.xcase.co.uk/Home-theatre-pc-case-p/casse-q100.htm
[12:29] <solarcloud_3scrn> Ah yes , X-case .. Trouble shippping the plastic one's if I remember ... but your looks good.
[12:30] <tony_> Help - can anyone assist?  I upgraded my version of ubuntu and have lost the grub menu - its still there, as when I press enter where id usually see it I can boot into Ubuntu normally - I just now get a message that says "video mode not supported"
[12:30] <Azelphur> yea, the remote they show in the photos is wrong, I got shipped this one https://www.dropbox.com/s/0te2xtvf6j8wfo5/2012-12-20%2020.09.05.jpg but it's a nicer remote IMO so I ain't complaining :D
[12:30] <tony_> my machine dual boots with XP which I need for work
[12:30] <solarcloud_3scrn> opening...
[12:31] <penguin42> tony_: ok, what did you upgrade from/to ?
[12:31] <solarcloud_3scrn> Azelphur, Where's the 'Home' button to get that menu ?
[12:31] <Azelphur> tony_: not sure I fully understand your question, but if you've got broken grub try running boot repair, it's quite magical at fixing grub issues https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[12:31] <kvarley> Does anybody know of a webui or android app that will let me browse an SFTP server via the raspberry pi? So I can transfer files to the SFTP server through the raspberrypi ?
[12:32] <Azelphur> solarcloud_3scrn: *shrug*
[12:32] <tony_> I think im now on 11.10, not sure what I was on previously sorry - just let it upgrade when it asked me to and it did take a while
[12:32] <Azelphur> kvarley: andFTP can connect to a SFTP server on android
[12:32] <kvarley> Azelphur: I want it to be able to transfer files to/from a server in my house tho not my mobile devices
[12:33] <Azelphur> kvarley: right, so you want your phone to connect to the SFTP server, AndFTP is a SFTP client.
[12:33] <tony_> Penguin42 - I am on 11.10
[12:33] <Azelphur> I use it all the time for grabbing files off my desktop while I'm away from home
[12:33] <penguin42> tony_: Azelphur's suggestion might be worth a go, in particular there seems to be an option on it 'Uncomment GRUB_GFXMODE' to try and fix out-of-range type problems
[12:33] <kvarley> Azelphur: I want my phone/web browser to connect to a server on my LAN which will allow me to access another server on the WAN.
[12:34] <penguin42> tony_: Hmm if you've just upgraded and are on 11.10 and can still boot ubuntu then the best bet might just be to keep upgrading to 12.04
[12:34] <kvarley> Azelphur: I have client PCs syncing to a server in my house. I want to be able to manually upload/download docs from an external server but onto the server in my house.
[12:34] <kvarley> I guess what I really want is for an SFTP server to be able to list files/folders on an external server
[12:35] <Azelphur> kvarley: sounds like what you want is sshfs
[12:35] <daftykins> kvarley: sounds like a very strange setup. what are you /actually/ trying to achieve? :P
[12:35] <Azelphur> AndFTP -> Server1 has Server2 sshfs mounted.
[12:35] <kvarley> Azelphur: That sounds about right :)
[12:36] <tony_> Thanks guys - trying boot repair now
[12:36] <Azelphur> righto, go fourth and multiply :p
[12:36] <kvarley> daftykins: Ability to upload / download docs to an external server via a LAN connected server
[12:36] <Azelphur> might be a tad slow, it's generally better to connect directly to the server you want to talk to
[12:36] <kvarley> Azelphur: My LAN is fast, my WAN is terribly slow
[12:36] <Azelphur> ah
[12:37] <kvarley> Is there a way to have an SFTP server automatically mounted when the system boots?
[12:37] <kvarley> I assume I could just make a bash script and add it to startup I guess
[12:37] <daftykins> i think that's why he suggested sshfs
[12:37] <Azelphur> kvarley: yes, sshfs in fstab.
[12:38] <kvarley> Azelphur: :D thanks
[12:38] <Azelphur> :)
[13:06] <DJones> Heh I see AlanBell has been /.'d
[13:07] <DJones> 2nd article showing on slashdot at the moment
[13:08] <penguin42> haha nice one
[13:08] <AlanBell> DJones: yup :)
[13:09] <penguin42> AlanBell: Be glad that's not your own server; I've watched a machine I admin'd take a /.'ing a few years ago - very scary
[13:09] <AlanBell> what isn't my server?
[13:10] <penguin42> AlanBell: The link on /. seems to be someone elses blog pointing to it rather than directly to yours?
[13:10] <DJones> The link goes to http://www.muktware.com/5032/gnome-extension-shows-ubuntu-how-do-shopping-lens-right#.UOGOuVIz1w9
[13:10] <AlanBell> and the link below it goes to my server
[13:11] <penguin42> ah ok - god people look beyond the 1st link :-)
[13:12] <AlanBell> several people appear to have followed the second link :)
[13:12] <popey> "Canonical has not yet officially responded to either EFF or FSF."
[13:12] <popey> sigh
[13:12] <popey> he makes stuff up as he goes along
[13:14] <Azelphur> Canonical killed a kitten once, I saw it.
[13:16] <AlanBell> http://blog.canonical.com/2012/10/12/searching-in-the-dash-in-ubuntu-12-10-an-update/ would be the official update I think, not sure that is directly in response to RMS or EFF (RMS was late to the party)
[13:17] <popey> we don't need to directly respond to everyone, if we did, we'd have no time to actually kill all those kittens
[13:17] <popey> that is a response, whether muktware likes it or not
[13:17] <AlanBell> oh I agree with that
[13:17] <Azelphur> indeed, gotta make time for kitten killing :p
[13:17] <AlanBell> possibly more of a presponse than a response
[13:18] <popey> but I tire of that site, I spent time helping him make his articles accurate then he goes and posts a load of uncorrected FUD
[13:18] <Azelphur> what's the whining about, the new amazon stuff?
[13:18] <AlanBell> that wasn't the site I would have chosen to be associated with this tbh
[13:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> muktware or slasdot ?
[13:19] <AlanBell> muktware
[13:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> yeah. I understand .. He's way to obtusious...
[13:20] <AlanBell> he spelled my name wrong
[13:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> he called diaspora a scizo network :D
[13:21] <Azelphur> lmao scizo network :D
[13:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> 'nuff said.
[13:22] <popey> http://www.muktware.com/4050/does-ubuntu-have-any-market  irritated me
[13:23] <Azelphur> you can't access flash, wat?
[13:24] <Azelphur> yea, I like how the entire article is, well, false
[13:25] <Azelphur> How to be a journalist in 2013: Step 1) Make something up that is false and will annoy everyone, Step 2) Post it on the interwebs, Step 3) Advertising revenue!, Step 4) Profit
[13:26] <AlanBell> omgubuntu kind of did that, then raised standards a lot
[13:28] <solarcloud_3scrn> the Wuktware guy is really a LinuxMint guy in disguise, that's all I'we come to learn about him.   .. he does several key-fgure pictures/vids a couple of times a year, but really he's following his own tail.
[13:31] <OmNomDePlume> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/564/amazon-shopping/ Is this from our AlanBell or are there two Alan Bells on the internet?
[13:31] <popey> it is
[13:31] <daftykins> heh friend just linked me
[13:31] <Azelphur> #ubuntu-uk has many Alans :P
[13:31] <daftykins> bug 1055766
[13:32] <OmNomDePlume> Yes, but how many Alan Bells?
[13:32] <OmNomDePlume> lol daftykins
[13:32] <Azelphur> only 1 afaik :p
[13:32] <solarcloud_3scrn> http://doiop.com/wuktware = Wuktware guy
[13:32] <Azelphur> lol fix released
[13:33] <daftykins> :D
[13:33] <daftykins> "How are we command line jockeys supposed to support Canonical without ads in our terminals? Couldn't they be added to the screen command?"
[13:34] <dwatkins> daftykins: lol
[13:34] <popey> solarcloud_3scrn, you know it's "muktware", not "wuktware"?
[13:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey.. it was muktware .. I change the subdomain.
[13:36] <daftykins> why do i get the idea Shuttleworth's nickname came from faceplanting the keyboard?
[13:36] <OmNomDePlume> daftykins, I think Ubuntu should give up on traditional repos and just use the Amazon App Store for apps.
[13:36] <daftykins> 'sabdfl'
[13:36] <popey> it pre-dates him
[13:36] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_Dictator_for_Life
[13:36] <popey> Guido used it
[13:36] <daftykins> ah-har
[13:37] <daftykins> Mr. Fawkes? :>
[13:37] <daftykins> ah
[13:37] <OmNomDePlume> Tito was also a BDFL.
[13:38] <OmNomDePlume> Now, I'm not comparing Tito to Shuttleworth, but at least Tito didn't pledge to replace X with Wayland. It's all I'm saying.
[13:38] <daftykins> is there any evidence of users moving in droves away to other distros? seems to be a lot of talk on tech sites as to such
[13:38] <dwatkins> daftykins: indeed, and some of the OS sites go by page views, not 'installed desktops' so it's just speculation anyway
[13:38] <dwatkins> I'm not sure how you would go about measuring how many people run one or other distro, even with access to the repo logs.
[13:39] <popey> people make bold claims about numbers of users they have
[13:39] <popey> i saw zorin claim they have something like 2M users
[13:39] <popey> and they are smaller (?) than Mint
[13:40] <popey> which implies Mint has at least 2M
[13:40] <dwatkins> Even though they're currently touting 47% of consumer devices running linux, that's just Android. As far as I know, Linux desktop usage is still around 2% of the PC market, unfortunately.
[13:40] <daftykins> the unity hatred does seem justified, things are quite hard to find the few times i've fired up a VM
[13:40] <solarcloud_3scrn> Zorin is screwedd off the blimp-ship .. It kan't keep-up with W$n8
[13:41] <dwatkins> I was quite surprised I can't move the dock nor have a screensaver by default in Unity, although there are workarounds/hacks, of course.
[13:41] <popey> daftykins, you need to use it more than just a few times in a vm to be fair
[13:41] <daftykins> true, though i get the feeling a DE move would happen quicker than adjusting :D
[13:43] <penguin42> has anyone got a link to a public pdf which has section-page numbering; e.g. pages numbered 1-1,1-2,1-3,... 2-1,2-2,2-3,....3-1,3-2,3-3....    I wan't to report a bug against okular for not handling them but the only one i have is a confidential one
[13:43] <daftykins> ah well, i appreciate the inapplicable comments of mine as a non-desktop user
[13:44] <popey> penguin42, could you not just make one with libreoffice and print to pdf?
[13:44] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, what I'm not too sure of is whether there are any special things needed to do to make it work - but I guess that's probably the best bet
[13:46] <daftykins> penguin42: is just page numbering insufficient?
[13:46] <daftykins> as i could knock up a PDF from MS word with footer'd page numbers if not
[13:46]  * penguin42 will have a crack with lo
[13:46] <penguin42> daftykins: I'll find out
[13:46] <daftykins> righty-o
[13:47] <solarcloud_3scrn> Looks like Sumvision Cyclone Voyager have a new Tablet for iPlayer  out .. http://www.ebuyer.com/407318-sumvision-cyclone-voyager-tablet-pc-cycvoy101?utm_source=b2c_31-12-2012&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=b2c_monday ::: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/BBc%20iplayer%20tablet/Sumvision%20Cyclone%20Voyager%20have%20a%20new%20Tablet%20for%20iPlayer.jpg
[13:47] <dwatkins> penguin42: do you mean a PDF where you can click the page numbers in the contents list?
[13:48] <penguin42> dwatkins: No, evince has an option to open at a given page, and it'll take the 2-3 page label rather than a page index
[13:48] <penguin42> dwatkins: Most of the other viewers will only take a page index
[13:48] <dwatkins> penguin42: that's interesting, as I encountered a bug in the Acrobat plug-in where using ?page=<some number> failed in certain browser/Acrobat combinations
[13:50] <dwatkins> My brother had done some research on it, as he's a developer for a company that makes a SIP client with a html/php front-end
[13:50] <daftykins> 0o
[13:55] <penguin42> dwatkins: I'll see if I can create this one
[13:59] <dwatkins> penguin42: let me know if I can help, i.e. create a document using Acrobat
[14:03] <Karthik_> I'm geeting this error after trying to mount exfat partition. Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: ERROR: invalid checksum (0x3beb != 0x38f3).
[14:03] <Karthik_> happened after I was copping files over LAN
[14:04] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42, Got one .. for you .. with chapters ... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/BBc%20iplayer%20tablet/jedit5.0.0manual-a4.pdf
[14:04] <OmNomDePlume> "<dwatkins> As far as I know, Linux desktop usage is still around 2% of the PC market, unfortunately." <-- it's been 1% for the last 10 years.
[14:06] <OmNomDePlume> Why has it remained static for a decade? Simple: as more people began to use "easy" desktop distros like Lindows and eventually Ubuntu, the people who were using Slack/etc. began dying of old age.
[14:06] <daftykins> XD
[14:06] <OmNomDePlume> So the two cancelled each other out, and Linux desktop share stayed at 1%.
[14:07] <dwatkins> I wonder if that's going to change with Steam being available for Linux, though.
[14:07] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42, Did you get that .PDF ??
[14:07] <OmNomDePlume> Probably not. The only people who want Linux on the desktop are people who 1) know what Linux is, and 2) have an ideological issue with proprietary software and closed source development

[14:09] <penguin42> solarcloud_3scrn: Yeh, the page numbers aren't actually chapter based
[14:09] <daftykins> people who game on windows illegally will stay there
[14:09] <dwatkins> OmNomDePlume: it may be a generalisation, but I suspect there's truth to it in terms of the majority of users
[14:09] <daftykins> people who legally purchase games via Steam and want to do so on Linux will be a niche i think
[14:09] <OmNomDePlume> Yep...if piracy was somehow made impossible overnight, 50% of people would move to Linux overnight.
[14:09] <dwatkins> yeah, 'Joe Public' will still buy a PC/laptop with Windows preinstalled for now.
[14:09] <penguin42> solarcloud_3scrn: Although it does have the roman stuff at the start
[14:09] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42, , Oh Ok ... sorry . my bad , that's all I got for you, sorry
[14:09] <OmNomDePlume> Steam is a special case - it's generally as convenient as piracy.
[14:10] <penguin42> OmNomDePlume: Ah not so easy because if they did that then it's unlikely they would run stuff on Linux
[14:10] <OmNomDePlume> Piracy has its pluses, but so does Steam eg. all your games in one central console, all your stats/achievements, sales, the fact that if Steam goes bankrupt they'll release patches which give you ownership of the games.
[14:11] <OmNomDePlume> There's no other downloadable games store which will realistically do that; all others such as Origin will simply shut down and lock you out of your games.
[14:12] <OmNomDePlume> Steam has integrated patching, too.
[14:12] <daftykins> i don't know anyone that cares about Steam achievements :)
[14:12] <OmNomDePlume> Dude.
[14:13] <daftykins> xbox live achievements, sure... PS3 'trophies', maybe :D
[14:13] <OmNomDePlume> Achievements/Trophies are LIFE.
[14:13] <daftykins> i care not for the Steam ones
[14:13] <OmNomDePlume> You haven't lived until you've Platinumed BO2.
[14:13] <daftykins> BO2 ?
[14:13] <OmNomDePlume> Black Ops II.
[14:14] <daftykins> oh i don't buy that retarded franchise
[14:14] <OmNomDePlume> Before Linux can challenge Windows gaming, it first needs to match OSX gaming.
[14:14] <OmNomDePlume> OSX has Black Ops....1....
[14:18] <penguin42> dwatkins: Hmm, I can see how to get what I want displayed in libreoffice; I'd create a footer that had a chapter field - page number; but I'm not sure that would be the 'page number' as seen by the pdf, or as a reference
[14:18] <kvarley> Despite people hating CoD I hope it gets ported, it's a fun game and lets face it all game devs would consider porting their own games if such a big title made the move
[14:19] <dwatkins> penguin42: I see what you mean, yeah - you also have the issue that page numbers are often out of sequence due to the contents and other beginning pages not being counted in the main page numbers
[14:21] <penguin42> dwatkins: The one I have to deal with at work was written with Framemaker
[15:03] <twager> Anyone tell me if the Kindlefire hd mounts as a block device in Linux ?
[15:34] <OmNomDePlume> kvarley: the fact that only older games are ported to Linux and OSX speaks volumes.
[15:35] <OmNomDePlume> Anybody who really wanted to play BO would've played it on Windows/360/PS3/Wii/iOS/Android by now.
[15:36] <OmNomDePlume> Eg. all the fuss about Steam...but 99% of the Windows games ported will be Source games, and Valve only release a new game every 2 or so years.
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDePlume: and lots of indie games.. humble bundle stuff
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDePlume: and now the Unity3D engine has a
[15:36] <OmNomDePlume> So yeah, I'm thrilled I'll be able to play Half-Life 2...again...almost 10 years after its PC launch.
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDePlume: "Linux" support mode, it'll only get more popular
[15:37] <OmNomDePlume> MartijnVdS, I'd like to see play stats on indie games.
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDePlume: so would valve (guess why they're in steam) :)
[15:40] <dwatkins> Steam and the HL2 engine are very much still new to Linux, I suspect many more games will follow which are actually recent.
[16:03] <penguin42> can only be good for forcing debug of graphics drivers
[16:07] <MonsterKiller> o/
 Probably not. The only people who want Linux on the desktop are people who 1) know what Linux is, and 2) have an ideological issue with proprietary software and closed source development
[16:08] <popey> I don't believe that for a minute
[16:10] <popey> given around 80K people we legitimately "in" the closed steam beta running closed source apps via a closed source store on their open source desktop running closed source video and wifi drivers..
[16:10] <ali1234> ideology is bogus
[16:10] <popey> indeed
[16:10] <ali1234> i use open source software because when it breaks (which it does all the time) i can actually fix it
[16:11] <popey> i use it because i like it
[16:11] <ali1234> this is not ideology, this is pragmatism
[16:11] <popey> exactly
[16:11] <ali1234> i realised something the other day
[16:12] <ali1234> these people who complain about android not being "real" linux
[16:12] <ali1234> these are the kind of people who like ideologies
[16:12] <ali1234> if you compare android to maemo you'll notice that every single part of it is exactly as open
[16:13] <ali1234> maybe some of it isn't as good
[16:13] <ali1234> but... it's open source. fix it.
[16:14] <ali1234> i couldn't understand why people would even use open source if they're not willing to do that
[16:14] <ali1234> but then i realised
[16:14] <ali1234> it's because they just want to support a team
[16:15] <ali1234> and android is clearly much too mainstream
[16:17] <ali1234> as such, the above quote is quite possibly true of a majority of ubuntu users
[16:17] <penguin42> ali1234: The difficulty with both is that they're under pressure to make big releases and thus have to hide features/development until release, and to some extent that's getting to be a problem with Ubuntu as well
[16:18] <ali1234> nah, that's not the problem at all
[16:18] <ali1234> AOSP doesn't ever get half the actually good stuff in android
[16:19] <ali1234> it certainly has everything that maemo every released as open source though
[16:19] <ali1234> more, in fact, since it has an email client and dialer
[16:20] <penguin42> aosp doesn't have a dialer?!
[16:21] <ali1234> aosp has a dialer
[16:21] <ali1234> maemo didn't
[16:21] <penguin42> ok
[16:21] <ali1234> or rather, it was never released as open source
[16:21] <ali1234> same for email client afaik
[16:21] <ali1234> and they both rely heavily on closed source drivers, maemo probably more so
[16:22] <ali1234> basically aosp has always been far more open than maemo in terms of source availability
[16:22] <penguin42> ali1234: But in terms of knowing what development is going to happen and what's going to land in the next release?
[16:22] <ali1234> well nokia constantly talked the talk, and then totally failed to live up to it
[16:23] <ali1234> google just throws the code over the wall when they are good and ready
[16:23] <ali1234> the only difference being google never promised that they would do anything else
[16:23] <penguin42> ali1234: Right, and that's the bit I'm worried about - in terms of people getting involved in development it's hard
[16:23] <ali1234> not at all
[16:23] <penguin42> ?
[16:23] <ali1234> if you find a showstopper in android and post it on the code review system then google people will notice it
[16:24] <penguin42> but you don't know new features?
[16:24] <ali1234> no, of course you don't
[16:24] <ali1234> nobody cares about features
[16:24] <ali1234> if i need a feature i'll implement it myself
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> all of it?
[16:24] <ali1234> yes
[16:25] <ali1234> if i need it enough
[16:25] <penguin42> ali1234: Well, to some degree I think that's a problem; some peoples interest in open source is the ability to have a bit of control and knowing what's going to happen
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> even if it's a big feature that requires months of work?
[16:25] <ali1234> you can never know what is going to happen
[16:25] <penguin42> ali1234: and it's a heck of a lot harder to implement stuff on the big projects of today than it was on the GNU tools
[16:25] <penguin42> ali1234: Well Ubuntu has things like the Blueprint system that at least tells you some of what's going on
[16:25] <ali1234> well, that's why the big projects of today totally suck
[16:25] <ali1234> and why i don't use them
[16:26] <penguin42> ali1234: yeh, but we still want web browsers, working 3d graphics and a word processor - so it's hard
[16:26] <ali1234> the thing is, we already have all of tose
[16:27] <ali1234> s why are we constantly reinventing them?
[16:27] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh I agree we shouldn't reinvent, although they still *** quite badly
[16:28] <ali1234> it reminds me of the movie brazil
[16:28] <ali1234> "new ducts"
[16:28] <penguin42> haha
[16:28] <ali1234> but they still fill your house and break all the time, they're just incompatible with the old ones
[16:28] <penguin42> nod
[16:52] <ali1234> AlanBell: presumably you'll know roughly how many people installed your thing from the traffic. is it popular?
[17:03] <AlanBell> not very yet, 66 unique IP addresses have conducted product searches
[17:06]  * solarcloud_3scrn is away: /me rquires a Juan valdez BRBack...
[17:26] <Azelphur> Anyone know if it's possible to download files from a upnp server?
[17:37] <AlanBell> ali1234: actually just 39 searched, there were other things that were not searches
[17:39] <directhex> Azelphur, technically no... but you can stream the whole thing at line rate, if your software supports it
[17:39] <Azelphur> directhex, ah :p
[18:08] <daftykins> UPnP is such a joke of a protocol :D
[18:30] <daftykins> i can't help but see OS X copies when i look at quantal
[18:47] <ali1234> Azelphur: upnp "streams" the files over http very often
[18:47] <ali1234> i dunno if it always does that... i think it does... the whole thing is xml rpc over http iirc
[18:48] <ali1234> there's a package in the repos which will let you mount a upnp as a filesystem
[18:48] <ali1234> http://djmount.sourceforge.net/
[18:48] <ali1234> so from that you can just copy the files
[18:54] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/ interesting
[18:55] <AlanBell> something touchscreen related this way comes perhaps
[18:57] <daftykins> all those cookie messages steal my valuable screen real estate
[20:22] <AlanBell> o/ bigcalm
[20:56] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: o/
[21:36] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: ?
[21:37] <AlanBell> bigcalm[mob]: was just saying hi :)
[21:37] <AlanBell> have you tried the gnome shell shopping lens?
[21:37] <penguin42> AlanBell: How was your server doing?
[21:38] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: ahoy
[21:38] <penguin42> happily /.'d ?
[21:38] <AlanBell> yeah, quite cheerfull
[21:38] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: no, I use xfce
[21:39] <AlanBell> 3,926 blog views today
[21:39] <daftykins> hai Myrtti
[21:59] <Myrtti> hi daftykins
[23:32] <popey> evening all
[23:32] <Azelphur> evening mr popey
[23:38] <Azelphur> gotta love this company I ordered parts off of
[23:39] <Azelphur> I preordered parts off you, you didn't deliver the parts after 6 months (3 orders after stated preorder date), please return my money
[23:39] <Azelphur> Sure, we'll send you back 50% of what you paid!
[23:39] <Azelphur> what a generous offer :P
[23:41] <dutchie> lo
[23:41]  * Azelphur waves
[23:50] <neuro> oh good, the proclaimers are on bbc one scotland, that's not stereotypical AT ALL
[23:53] <daftykins> Azelphur: sounds great!
[23:54] <Azelphur> daftykins: I know, amazing offer xD
[23:55] <daftykins> aww my poor puppy is scared half to death at the fireworks going on
[23:56] <penguin42> daftykins: Give it some ear defenders
[23:56] <neuro> time to get a drink in me hand
[23:56] <daftykins> ah i just had to go and babysit her for a little bit
[23:57] <daftykins> unfortunately she got *very* scared if you know what i mean
[23:57] <daftykins> ah ~3 mins left, yawn
[23:57] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:57] <daftykins> i officially had enough this year, i'm in by myself instead of at the usual big event
[23:57] <neuro> cidre bouché from normany for me this evening
[23:57] <neuro> daftykins: i'm in by myself as well
[23:58] <neuro> spent the last three hours completing arkham city :)
[23:58] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:58] <daftykins> not a bad use of the evening at all
[23:58] <neuro> bbc one scotland have just commanded us to charge our glasses
[23:58] <neuro> and we have a piper on the ramparts of embra castle
[23:59] <penguin42> to 50kV ?
[23:59] <Azelphur> daftykins: me too, peaceful :p
[23:59] <neuro> but in the background you can hear princes street going absolutely barmy
[23:59] <neuro> penguin42: it's a scottish phrase
[23:59] <daftykins> XD
[23:59] <neuro> fill your glass and get it in your hand
[23:59] <neuro> and here we go ...
[23:59] <penguin42> I know :-)
[23:59] <daftykins> don't believe a word he says, they'll use it to trick the British
[23:59] <daftykins> mains powered drinks :O