[08:00] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:04] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:08] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:13] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:13] <nigelb> cyphase: Um, you've said that 4 times already.
[08:17] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:21] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:25] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:30] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:30] <IdleOne> cyphase: Please stop that
[08:34] <cyphase> Happy PST New Year!
[08:35] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks IdleOne, didn't notice this one :)
[08:56] <nigelb> hehe.
[08:56] <nigelb> I was looking for IdleOne to ask him what to do :P
[08:57] <JoseeAntonioR> looks like after being quieted here, it got auto-quieted in #u-uds :P


[10:33] <alkisg> I'm trying to upgrade to 16.04.2 kernel/xorg in ubuntu-mate-desktop:  sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[10:33] <alkisg> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:33] <alkisg>  ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop ...
[10:34] <alkisg> But I see that xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04  provides xserver-xorg, which mate depends on, so I'm not sure why the new stack breaks mate...
[10:38] <tjaalton> and -core has almost same depends as -desktop
[10:53] <alkisg> OK, this one does work without uninstalling mate: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.04
[10:53] <alkisg> So maybe it can be fixed in the docs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack


[07:17] <LarstiQ> JPeterson: git merge = bzr merge; bzr commit
[08:32] <jml> hey, it's been a long, long time since I submitted something to bzr. How do I land a patch to bzr?
[08:32] <jml> I'm not sure if I've got commit privs,
[08:33] <jml> but poolie gave me the go-ahead for https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/bzr/rubberstamp/+merge/130850
[08:36] <jml> but when I pqm-submit, I'm told it can't verify my gpg kkey
[08:54] <mgz> jml: the normal way is lp:hydrazine `./feed-pqm bzr`
[08:55] <jml> mgz: ok.
[08:55] <jml> wow, hydrazine, huh?
[08:56] <mgz> and you then 'n' till your proposal, 'm' set the message, and 'e' gpg sign and email for pqm to land
[08:57] <jml> mgz: ok, thanks.
[08:58] <jml> mgz: unfortunately, I have to step away for a bit now, but is it OK if I ping you later if I have trouble landing this?
[08:59] <mgz> jml: certainly
[08:59] <jml> mgz: ta
[08:59] <fullermd> I'll be around to be completely unhelpful too, if that'll help.
[09:01] <jml> fullermd: I was going to say "possibly", but I'm not sure that's strictly true. I appreciate the gesture though.
[09:02] <fullermd> Oh, well, you can just lie to me about it.  I do it to me all the time, and I never seem to catch on.
[10:14] <jml> fullermd: I'm just not sure it's logically possible for being completely unhelpful to ever help.
[10:16] <fullermd> Pfft, logic.  What has logic ever done for me?
[10:22] <jml> mgz: does hydrazine just loop?
[10:22] <jml> mgz: also, it looks like I'm not a committer.
[10:23] <jml> mgz: so maybe I should just ask you to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/bzr/rubberstamp/+merge/130850
[10:23] <mgz> yes, blast, and okay.
[10:24] <jml> mgz: thanks :)
[10:26] <mgz> ah, and your branch needs to be marked approved, which is why it doesn't appear in the list
[10:26] <mgz> so, pqm may in fact allow you to land it
[10:27] <mgz> want to give it a go? if you get rejected, I'll do it.
[10:30] <jml> mgz: sure, I'll try now.
[10:30] <jml> PQMException: 'Failed to verify signature: gpgv exited with error code 2'
[10:30] <jml> mgz: ^, I think you need to do it.
[10:31] <fullermd> Maybe pqm forgot how to commit to bzr...
[10:31] <mgz> I shall capture a webop later and get you added, landing now.
[11:24] <yaiza> hi!
[11:24] <yaiza> is it possible to rename a branch in launchpad?
[11:25] <yaiza> I would like something like: lp:~ybailen/canonical-openerp/employee-registry-payroll -> lp:~ybailen/canonical-openerp/canonical-payroll
[11:25] <yaiza> keeping the versioning
[11:25] <yaiza> but I'm not sure if this is possible
[11:26] <jpds> yaiza: Yes, click "Change branch details" on the Launchpad page.
[11:26]  * yaiza tries
[11:33] <yaiza> hmm, if I choose Target branch as Personal I get this error "Only private teams may have personal private branches."
[11:46] <yaiza> jpds^ ?
[11:48] <jpds> yaiza: But you only want to change "Name".
[11:49] <yaiza> jpds, if I leave Branch Target as it was: canonical-openerp then I get this error: "Private branches are not allowed for target Canonical OpenERP."
[11:49] <yaiza> so I tried to change that
[11:49] <yaiza> with no success :(
[12:02] <mgz> yaiza: you can ask for help in #launchpad if you're stuck
[12:03] <yaiza> ok mgz, thanks
[12:53] <hno> How do I add --no-trees flag to an existing shared repository? Just noticed I forgot specifying it when creating a shared repository some time ago.
[12:55] <hno> I know how to drop the working trees from it's branches. But like the flag to be recorded so bzr branch remembers to do the "right" think when branching.
[12:56] <fullermd> hno: There's an arg to 'reconfigure' for it.
[12:57] <hno> fullermd, thanks!
[13:06] <hno> To rusty on bzr merges. Need to backport a working branch to an older branch point. Is there an easier way than to cherry pick each revision listed by bzr missing?
[13:07] <fullermd> Mmph.  Well, if your looking at "cherry pick _each_ rev", the answer would just be to do a merge.  But since you're asking, I presume you're wanting to actually skip some...
[13:07] <fullermd> You can do a merge -rX..Y to grab just a range.  It would still be a cherry pick if the graph isn't connected, but it would at least get you N at a time instead of 1.
[13:08] <fullermd> Though that's a drawback too, in that it mushes more things together and gives you more chances for big conflicts.
[13:08] <hno> fullermd, the working branch is based on trunk, and need the same changes based on a release, skipping all the changes between the release and current trunk.
[13:16] <hno> Do "bzr merge -r branch:../trunk..-1 ../trunk-feature-branch"  look sane?
[13:16] <fullermd> Not at all   8-}
[13:17] <hno> Any saner suggestion?
[13:17] <fullermd> It may be _correct_, of course.
[13:17] <fullermd> At a glance it _looks_ like it's asking for what you described, so it may be right.
[13:17] <fullermd> Does twist the eyes a bit though.
[13:19] <hno> "bzr merge -r submit:..-1 ../trunk-feature-branch" is probably better.
[13:23] <hno> "bzr merge -r submit:.. ../trunk-feature-branch" works as well, but not sure it's documented that one do not need to specfy the last revision in the range.
[13:23] <fullermd> It is.
[13:24] <hno> where?
[13:24] <fullermd> No idea   :)
[13:24] <fullermd> But it is an explicit feature, and I know it's in the test suite.
[13:42] <hno> Hm.. that merge for some reason set my submit branch to the trunk-feature-branch. Not what I intendend.
[13:53] <fullermd> merge will always set the submit branch if it isn't already.
[14:07] <hno> and branch don't..
[14:10] <hno> In which use case do merge implicit --remember if unset produce a meaningful result? To me it's only confusing.
[14:19] <LarstiQ> hno: all cases where there is only ever one branch you want to merge from
[14:20] <LarstiQ> hno: like merging trunk into feature branches
[14:20] <LarstiQ> hno: meaningful, but still can be confusing (re: list discussions about this)
[14:23] <hno> LarstiQ, in those cases parent is also trunk and separate submit location is not needed.
[14:26] <LarstiQ> ah hmm, submit
[14:26] <fullermd> Yes, but merge uses a separate saved location.
[14:26] <hno> it uses parent is submit is not set.
[14:26] <fullermd> Right.
[14:28] <LarstiQ> hno: in the cases where it makes sense to submit to the location you merged from then :)
[14:29] <LarstiQ> but it becomes less obviously the right choice I think
[14:31] <hno> there is a --remember flag for the odd cases needing it..
[14:39] <LarstiQ> hno: on the other hand, when do you want submit to be something different without setting it explicitly??
[14:40] <LarstiQ> argh
[14:40] <LarstiQ> s/?//
[14:47] <hno> LarstiQ, exactly. I do not want merge to set the submit branch for me when doing a random merge from some other branch.
[14:47] <hno> when otherwise only using parent.
[14:48] <LarstiQ> right
[14:48] <LarstiQ> does anything using submit fall back to parent if submit is not set?
[14:49] <LarstiQ> that would be rather annoying
[14:49] <hno> LarstiQ, yes.
[14:49] <hno> bzr merge, and also submit: revision spec in general so also bzr diff etc.
[14:58] <LarstiQ> hno: right, so how to balance
[14:58]  * LarstiQ would (now) lean towards not setting it automatically
[14:59] <hno> Yes. Unless there is some very common use case which I fail to see where it makes sense.
[15:25] <fullermd> Available evidence (it's there, and hasn't been a major cause of complaint in the last N years) suggests it does OK in the common case.
[15:25] <fullermd> The whole arena has certainly been the cause of plenty of acrimony in the past.


[04:59] <Kilos> o/
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:29] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[09:01] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[09:03] <knome> :P
[09:03] <knome> oops, wrong terminal
[09:06] <davidcalle> We all know your password now
[09:06] <knome> yes
[09:06] <knome> i've typed my virtualbox testing password many times in channels
[09:06] <knome> so if you absolutely want to do the testing for me...
[09:41]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[10:33] <popey> happy birthday mhall119 !
[10:42] <dpm> popey, he's off for the day celebrating, but I'm sure he'll see the scrollback tomorrow :)
[10:43] <popey> ahh
[10:43] <knome> wait, who doesn't spend their whole birthday in IRC?
[12:16] <knome> mhall119, was the offer for edit access to community.ubuntu.com only directed at ple.. and bel... or could i get one too? :P
[16:02] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119: team call?
[17:06] <popey> hahah
[17:06] <popey> hello admin,
[17:06] <popey> plz add me in ur group i really need to help  for software develop for
[17:06] <popey> jenkins
[17:08]  * popey asks in #ubuntu-server anyway
[17:11] <czajkowski> at least he said please :)
[17:11] <popey> she (allegedly)
[17:14] <dholbach> bye guys - see you tomorrow!
[17:18] <pleia2> popey: heh, I replied to that one
[17:19] <pleia2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15335848/
[17:19] <popey> :)
[17:41] <pleia2> mhall119: happy birthday!
[17:41] <popey> pleia2: https://launchpad.net/~deepika-chauhan/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:42]  * popey asks IS to nuke
[17:42] <pleia2> popey: good sleuthing :)
[17:43] <pleia2> 08:53:39 < fungi> ferhat: apparently login.launchpad.net is no longer effectively deterring spammers from creating accounts to log into things which use it for openid
[17:43] <pleia2> from #openstack-infra earlier
[17:43] <pleia2> :\
[17:43] <popey> :(
[17:43] <pleia2> we're switching off it as quickly as we can, but it's slow going, openid
[17:43] <pleia2> such a pain
[20:13] <balloons> I'm mostly amazed this wasn't a problem long ago. But now that it's been discovered, it's certainly not going to go away with such simple blocks


[17:16] <FloodBotK1> ubuntulog: You're now cloaked; please try again joining #kubuntu (type /join #kubuntu) now.


[18:02] <stupidscript> Looking for list of thin clients (mfr, models) that work out of the box with Edubuntu 12.04 LTSP. TIA.


[09:22] <dmn___> Hi folks, I got troubles with LMMS install/unistall
[09:24] <dmn___> I messed up with MIDI settings and now the app is stuck
[09:24] <dmn___> the version is 1.1.3
[09:24] <dmn___> I tried to apt-get update/upgrade to version 1.1.9 but nothing  happens
[09:25] <dmn___> is still installing the 1.1.3
[09:26] <dmn___> somebody could help me out?
[09:34] <eylul> hi dmn___
[09:34] <dmn___> hey eylul
[09:34] <eylul> define stuck?
[09:36] <dmn___> just the splashscreen
[09:37] <eylul> (I don't think 1.1.9 is in the repos. so it is normal that 1.1.3 installs (I assume you are using xenial, and not the beta of the new item). I know I installed 1.1.9 by building it.
[09:37] <eylul> ok
[09:37] <eylul> hmm
[09:38] <eylul> dmn___: go to ~/.lmmsrc.xml (home/<username/.lmmsrc.xml) file and delete/rename it. and see if that helps?
[09:40] <dmn___> eylul I love you. Copy
[09:41] <eylul> :D I am glad it helped.
[09:42] <dmn___> thank you and have a nice day pal ;)
[11:37] <zequence> Sorry I missed dmn. Don't think midi settings would change anything, but if the problem was user configurations one can always find them in the home dir, and rename them to try starting LMMS with default settings
[13:23] <daimon> hi guys, I need MIDI support
[13:24] <daimon> lmms recognize my midi controller but doesn't send or receive any I/O
[20:00] <studio-user600> #alsa


[17:51] <racarr> omg...I think I just witnessed the acceptance tests running against
[17:51] <racarr> system libraries
[17:51] <racarr> lol...spent most of the morning
[17:51] <racarr> lalala
[17:51] <racarr> hmm
[17:51] <racarr> how to understand this...
[22:28] <racarr> It's looking like https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1437357 may be fixed in trunk and or/prefer-event-builders
[22:28] <racarr> maybe the messed up action mapping
[22:28] <racarr> was causing the events to get malformed in the
[22:28] <racarr> nested dispatcher?
[22:28] <racarr> I dunno
[22:28] <racarr> but I ran now
[22:29] <racarr> mir server -> nested -> client
[22:29] <racarr> (havnet built u8 yet)
[22:29] <racarr> and uh
[22:29] <racarr> I didn't validate the whole event stream but the crash doesnt occur and now the client is using mir::events::add_touch
[22:29] <racarr> so either 1. The bug is fixed.
[22:30] <racarr> 2. Qtmirs attempt to fix an invalid touch stream is making it more invalid causing the crash
[22:30] <racarr> going to write a touch validating client now


[09:59] <dp_> hi launchpad
[09:59] <dp_> i'm new here...please help me
[10:00] <dp_> i have written a code which i have to push to https://code.launchpad.net/~kicad-developers/kicad/prj-mgr
[10:00] <dp_> i'm noob. please help me
[10:01] <dp_> i have installed bazar and also the source code which i need to modify
[10:25] <dobey> you need to push to a branch you own, and propose to merge into there probably
[10:25] <dobey> you need to talk to the developers of the project about contributing to it
[12:02] <saiarcot895> When building packages in a PPA, are alternative dependencies considered? (if the main dependencies are missing)
[12:06] <dobey> saiarcot895: yes
[12:21] <saiarcot895> thank you dobey


[00:07] <redtape|coffee> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -_-
[07:18] <redtape|coffee> Morn-some.
[08:30] <kvarley> Am I allowed to use 'Ubuntu Orange' on my website? I'm not replicating the Ubuntu brand. I just like orange :P
[08:33] <redtape|coffee> yes
[08:34] <popey> of course
[08:34] <popey> morning
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all.
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Happy Friday
[08:46] <redtape|coffee> OT: System 76 guy was on LAShow last week : http://youtu.be/EfYGjcNmeDY?t=24m56s
[08:59] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo AlanBell
[09:00]  * TheOpenSourcerer is waiting for his old Volvo to be towed away and destroyed (slowly probably)
[09:00] <popey> awwww
[09:00]  * popey removes his hat
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mrs TheOpenSourcerer is rather sad. We bought that car 10 years ago this month.
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Has been to a lot of interesting places.
[09:01] <popey> Heh, I'll be sad when my volvo dies
[09:02] <AlanBell> bits are falling off my merc
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> But the slightly newer one is much nicer ;-)
[09:02]  * AlanBell had a short ride in the new volvo, it is rather nice
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> It has a "Parrot" and my S3 pairs within fine so I have in-car phone connectivity too
[09:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\within\with it
[09:03] <popey> oh nice
[09:04] <popey> so you can make/receive calls using in car audio stuff?
[09:04] <popey> I have never had a car that had that
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah - it kills the radio and everything!
[09:04] <popey> speaking of bluetooth, i bought an OBD-II thing which is attached to my car now
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Syncs contacts and call logs etc.
[09:04] <redtape|coffee> TheOpenSourcerer, It's not a 900 is it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S90#Volvo_960.2FS90.2FV90
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> V70
[09:05] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/Excelvan-Bluetooth-Interface-Scanner-Adapter/dp/B007P14NPU/ref=cm_rdp_product
[09:05] <popey> one of them
[09:05] <redtape|coffee> ooh nice .. that's an accountaning technicians car :D
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> One of these: http://www.parrot.com/uk/support/parrotck3100ck3300ck3500
[09:05] <redtape|coffee> opening..
[09:05] <popey> never seen those
[09:05] <popey> aftermarket thing the previous owner added?
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> But fairly unobtrusive
[09:06] <redtape|coffee> TheOpenSourcerer, I was talking about yar Volvo .. ??
[09:06] <popey> redtape|coffee: so was TheOpenSourcerer
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape|coffee: I wasn't ;-)
[09:06] <popey> then we moved on ☺
[09:07] <redtape|coffee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_V70
[09:07] <redtape|coffee> I didn't
[09:07] <popey> keep up at the back
[09:07]  * redtape|coffee plays with the wikipedia sideshow...
[09:08] <redtape|coffee> man, I need to log-out .. XChat is slow to say the least today.
[09:09] <redtape|coffee> Talk on that wiki page says some-it 'bot ::: || faulty Electronic Throttle Modules (ETMs)
[09:09] <redtape|coffee> **about..
[09:10] <redtape|coffee> Oh, and OT | but TheOpenSourcerer you have a belgian car :)
[09:11] <redtape|coffee>    "  b) assembled in Ghent, Belgium "
[09:13] <redtape|coffee> TheOpenSourcerer, Have you ever seen these used by the force/emeg. services ?
[09:13] <redtape|coffee> **emergeency services ...  ??
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> huh? The Police use(d) the T5 for years
[09:14] <redtape|coffee> What 'bout the V70 ?
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> The T5 is a V70!
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's the FAST one!
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://www.google.com/search?q=police+volvo+T5
[09:15] <redtape|coffee> oh ... I'll updatev the wiki :)
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape|coffee: http://not2grand.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/volvo-v70-23-t5.html
[09:17]  * redtape|coffee goes to get 20p newspaper for weather news .
[09:21] <salzbro> #ppuk
[09:35] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, and happy World Day for Water, everyone! :-D
[09:36] <JamesTait> I'd like to propose that today also be declared "Snow??? WTF???" Day.
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> no snow here
[09:39] <redtape|coffee> sleet here .. but no papaers in the shop (today)..
[09:40] <redtape|coffee> I actually bought Ian Hislop's newspaper/public.
[09:42] <redtape|coffee> OT | When was the last time you saw a copy of the Private Eye ?  www.private-eye.co.uk ?
[09:42] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, you're down south, IIRC?
[09:43] <redtape|coffee> JamesTait, He is.
[09:44] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:45] <popey> redtape|coffee: I used to subscribe
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: Yep - Farnham, Surrey to be precise(ish)
[09:49] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, oh, I didn't realise you were also in Farnham. :)
[09:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> "also"?
[09:51] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, I thought popey was based there too?
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> He's not far away but not Farnham.
[09:52] <AlanBell> we are close enough to meet up for a long lunch
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[09:52] <AlanBell> the last long lunch ended gone midnight
[09:52] <popey> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=farnborough+to+farnham
[09:52] <popey> not far
[09:53] <JamesTait> Oh, of course! How could I forget the air show?
[09:54] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21830739 that is a news article about a made up word as far as I can tell
[09:57] <JamesTait> Mmm, bacn.
[09:58] <redtape|coffee> I only like the adverts .. popey http://paste.ubuntu.com/5636485/  There you go I've saved you all £1.50 , today !!
[10:01] <JamesTait> I wish the Google Talk Plugin changelog entries in the deb package were more useful than just "Maintenance release".
[10:09] <redtape|coffee> popey .. did you get my ^ pastebin ^  ?
[10:14] <dwatkins> redtape|coffee: I just saved 93p by not buying it, though ;)
[10:20] <redtape|coffee> dwatkins, Right, because  gave you all the info-(adverts) for free :D
[10:20]  * redtape|coffee celebrates the power of sharing                                          \o/
[10:23] <popey> redtape|coffee: i saw it, then closed it
[10:24]  * redtape|coffee shrugs.
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.arewefastyet.com/
[10:28] <redtape|coffee> The Safari browser is quickest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_%28browser%29  :( but it uses webkit :|
[10:29] <AlanBell> chrome is quickest on most tests
[10:30] <AlanBell> and this isn't a test of webkit
[10:30] <AlanBell> or geko
[10:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Following on from your culinary success last week.. I've got my Mum & Dad coming for lunch tomorrow. Thinking Boeuf Bourguignon, New Potatoes, and perhaps some green beans? Sound OK?
[10:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Idea for a new culinary website... "Askpopey.com"
[10:31] <brobostigon> chilli a'la popey
[10:35] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd be inclined to do roast potatoes to have some crunch, but yeah, sounds nom
[10:35] <redtape|coffee> That's  .. more like www.o5.com
[10:37] <redtape|coffee> Nice metric's though | http://pmetrics.performancing.com/stats/?site_id=12734
[10:38]  * redtape|coffee thinks 'p-metics' to get popeys webcam views would be a good idea.
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Roasties... Hmm, maybe. But think I will go for steamed new anyway (nicer smothered in butter & parsley).
[10:45] <popey> nom
[10:52]  * TheOpenSourcerer needs to go to the office and get all "strategic"...
[10:55]  * AlanBell nods
[10:55] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/7535/hasselback-potatoes.aspx
[10:56] <popey> ooh, i made those a while back, they're lovely
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Kewl - they look nice Myrtti
[10:56]  * DJones debates, clear snow of the path or bake bread
[10:57] <popey> in fact I shall make them this weekend I think, thanks Myrtti
[10:57]  * TheOpenSourcerer looks at his back garden bathed in Spring sunshine.
[10:58] <Myrtti> we were taught the recipe at home economics in school ^___^
[10:58] <Myrtti> now I want garlic or blue cheese creamed potatoes tho
[10:58] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: We've got a decent covering of snow, averages about 2" deep
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:04] <redtape|coffee> OT |  Anbody wanna go 1llegal ? http://illegaleshow.nl/finally-a-it-looks-like-a-plan-plan/?owa_medium=feed&owa_sid=
[11:07] <popey> seriously. _what_?
[11:08] <kvarley> That has to be a dodgy url, just look at it
[11:12] <davmor2> So which prats ordered the UK wide Waterslide for the West and the UK snow for the east for their kids birthdays :)
[11:13] <shauno> okay, I thought I was going crazy, I'm not.  that .nl has randomly appearing/disappearing my little pony / rainbows / hello kitty.  wow.
[11:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: Snow here
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: you don't have kids unless you ordered it for yourself
[11:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: I ordered it for Hayley, but she still managed to get into work
[11:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[11:20] <DJones> Police have just closed a major bridge here due to falling snow & ice
[11:22] <bigcalm> That happens to the M4 Wales bridge quite offten
[11:22] <bigcalm> often
[11:31] <DJones> Just seeing peoples comments, falling ice has been smashing car windscreens
[11:38] <bigcalm> Heavy water
[11:44] <popey> happy birthday andylockran
[12:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't joke like that it's bad enough that their window is smashed without being radioactive too :)
[12:58] <davmor2> Man Love film really don't want you to cancel your account
[13:00] <shauno> and netflix really, really want you to come back
[13:04] <popey> i just finished my first month of free netflix
[13:05] <shauno> if they offered it again I might actually try it.  but when I tried last year, the offer here was almost entirely bollywood
[13:18] <redtape|coffee> OT | Sellafield Power Staion has shut down due to the bad weather and high winds.
[13:36] <bigcalm> I doubt I'd consider netflix or similar until we had a 'net connected TV. I think we get enough of what we don't use via cable as it is :)
[13:37] <shauno> I think mine'll play if I let it update.  but I really don't want the faff of having to shove my tv through a vpn just to get any content
[13:39] <popey> got the paypal notification for first months payment and thought "yeah, I'll probably use that more"
[13:39] <popey> and will now go and buy a smart telly ☺
[13:40] <bigcalm> popey: get a 3d one while you're at it
[13:42] <popey> nope
[13:42] <popey> 3d is overrated
[13:42] <popey> and will be gone soon
[13:43] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:43] <bigcalm> It's lasted longer than I had expected it to
[13:44] <popey> ditto
[13:44] <redtape|coffee> 3d is for kids in cinema, not htpc's.
[13:54] <kvarley> popey: Make sure the telly supports DNLA so when your "smart" TV is not longer smart you can still stream stuff to it :)
[13:56] <shauno> or just grab an appletv and save yourself a couple of quid  *ducks*
[14:02] <kvarley> shauno: He has a raspberry pi :)
[14:03] <kvarley> The solution is never to buy an Apple product
[14:04] <shauno> hm, I didn't try netflix on my pi
[14:04] <kvarley> shauno: ah, in which case you want one of those android mini-pcs
[14:05] <kvarley> Or just a fanless pc :)
[14:22] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21896442
[14:22] <jacobw> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/poll-pycon-playhaven-anonymous-adria-richards-and-online-sexism-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-8545741.html
[14:23] <jacobw> Oh dear, a poll!
[14:25] <ali1234> wat
[14:25] <ali1234> poll needs "all of the above" option
[14:27] <BigRedS> surely that's the first one, then?
[14:27] <ali1234> no
[14:27] <BigRedS> it's asking for the point at which it got out of hand
[14:27] <ali1234> literally everyone is in the wrong
[14:27] <AlanBell> no, I would go for "all of the above" too
[14:27] <BigRedS> yeah, that's not the question, though
[14:28] <ali1234> the question is dumb
[14:28] <AlanBell> oh I see what you mean
[14:28] <BigRedS> if  only 3, 4 and 5 were overreactions then '3' is the point at which it got out of hand
[14:28] <AlanBell> it kept on getting more and more out of hand at every step
[14:28] <ali1234> it got out of hand a long time ago
[14:29] <dwatkins> Mountain out of a molehill
[14:30] <dwatkins> Granted the guys probably shouldn't have made the jokes in question, but I've heard worse in the kitchen at work here.
[14:30] <dwatkins> She's clearly acting as the complete antithesis of a developer relations person.
[14:30] <Myrtti> https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/
[14:31] <ali1234> well there's nothing unusual about that
[14:32] <ali1234> the issue got out of hand at the point where anyone who refused to pick a side was shunned by both sides
[14:32] <ali1234> this happened several years ago
[15:29] <Twinkletoes> My ubuntu desktop 12.10 only seems to have traceroute6 installed... which package do I Get traceroute for ipv4 from?
[15:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> tracepath
[15:30] <popey> apt-cache search traceroute
[15:31] <Twinkletoes> popey: thanks for that - it says tracepath is already installed... shoudl I remove and reinstall?
[15:31] <Twinkletoes> popey: the package was iputils-tracepath
[15:31] <popey> the package is traceroute here
[15:31] <popey> but I wouldn't use traceroute, use mtr :D
[15:32] <Twinkletoes> cool - thanks you :)
[15:40] <bigcalm> Oh bottoms
[15:40] <bigcalm> The snow is sticking to my car now
[15:54] <redtape|coffee> bigcalm, Libre Snow Balls ?
[16:00] <DJones> bigcalm: Its been sticking to my car since before I woke up, had about 1hr when it stopped snowing
[16:43] <davmor2> http://www.harlemify.com/?url=www.ubuntu.com muhahahaha the fun you can have :)
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> Any (card) gamers out there? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cantripgames/story-war-the-storytelling-party-game
[17:17] <popey> already backing it :0
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: I know, but not everyone might have seen it :)
[17:19] <popey> of course ☺
[17:19] <popey> looking forward to that
[17:19] <popey> also, CaH expansion 3 now in stock
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> CoH you mean? :)
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> Against is with an "a"
[17:19] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B3YT030/
[17:20]  * MartijnVdS fails English forever
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah.. no ship to Netherlands :(
[17:21] <popey> yeah, got one of my co-workers to order for me
[17:27]  * MartijnVdS orders a low-end "NUC"
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you see this one as well? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-windows-mac-and-linux/posts/434357?ref=activity
[19:30] <joan> hello
[19:30] <joan> i'm trying to make TF2 work in my old laptop following this workaround: http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/846938351012409765/
[19:30] <joan> but I don't know where to find my bashrc (or .zshrc, or .profile)
[19:31] <joan> where's that file?
[19:34] <ali1234> in your home directory
[19:34] <joan> found it
[19:34] <mungbean> is there such a thing as a high rated usb cable?
[19:35] <mungbean> or will the cable for my phone charger also work in my 2A usb charger too
[19:35] <ali1234> you don't need that first line on ubuntu as $HOME/bin is already on the path
[19:35] <ali1234> after you create it and restart computer anyway
[19:36] <ali1234> mungbean: there is no such thing as high rated USB cable
[19:36] <mungbean> didnt think so..wanted to check for sanity
[19:36] <ali1234> 2A * 5v = 10W
[19:36] <mungbean> still trying to revive the tablet
[19:36] <mungbean> got to wait a week for a new charger to arrive
[19:38] <ali1234> after i install android sdk, where do i find "ant"?
[19:45] <popey> ali1234: tools
[19:45] <ali1234> nope
[19:46] <ali1234> that's a directory
[19:46] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/android-sdk-linux$ find . -name ant
[19:46] <popey> ./tools/ant
[19:46] <popey> ./tools/proguard/ant
[19:46] <popey> ./tools/proguard/examples/ant
[19:46] <ali1234> those are all directories
[19:46] <popey> so they are
[19:47] <ali1234> i'm reading the instructions how to build SDL for android and it says "now run ant debug to build it"
[19:52] <ali1234> so the answer is the android sdk doesn't include ant
[19:52] <ali1234> so i'm supposed to install it myself from distro
[20:02] <ali1234> cool, got apk


[04:48] <blackskad> cjwatson: is someone working on the layout of the timezone-step?
[04:50] <blackskad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/FeistyReview mentions a rework of the bottom, and people are getting annoyed by bug #38442
[04:50] <blackskad> I'ld like to give it a try, if no-one else is working on it
[04:52] <evand> I had planned to give it a shot after the higher priority specs were done, but as this is open source you're more than welcome to work on it :)
[04:56] <blackskad> nice, I'll give it a try then :)
[04:57] <blackskad> my c knowledge isn't super, so it might take a while to fully understand the map
[05:00] <blackskad> but that shouldn't be that much of a problem
[05:00] <blackskad> got to catch a train now
[05:00] <blackskad> cya


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[18:43] <studio-user299> Hallo
[18:44] <studio-user299> I erased some file in the /tmp directory
[18:45] <studio-user299> and can't seem to re-find my session
[18:47] <studio-user299> should I reformat the whole drive? (all the info is safe)
[20:39] <JackWinter2> you don't have to erase the drive for deleting stuff in /tmp


[00:13] <Roey> holstein:  nono like last week
[00:15] <Roey> holstein: when I do xmodmap, this is the table I see:  http://pastebin.com/aTpAGEXS
[00:16] <Roey> holstein:  now for instance, Capslock should be mapped to Control, at least that's how it appears in my Keyboard Settings dialog
[00:16] <Roey> holstein:  yet xmodmap shows that Capslock is mapped to 'Lock'
[00:25] <Roey> holstein:  but basically, (1) is this problem specific to my user account or does it transcend other accounts on my computer? (2) is this problem specific to my distribution?  (3) is this problem specific to KDE 4.6b1/b2/rc1?
[00:25] <Roey> holstein:  that's the logic I follow
[01:18] <Volkodav> Anybody installed sopcast player from ppa ? I had no luck
[01:34] <lolcat^> I am upgrading! :D
[01:35] <lolcat^> Anyone here?
[01:37] <Roey> no
[01:37] <Roey> heh
[01:38] <Roey> upgrad9ng to what, cat?
[01:48] <lolcat^> Roey: 11.04
[01:48] <Roey> ah
[01:48] <Roey> to 11.04? ok
[01:48] <Roey> brave one :)
[01:49] <lolcat^> Yes, untiy was getting on my nerves
[01:49] <lolcat^> And I need something new
[01:49] <lolcat^> Migth have to go to the military :S
[01:49] <Roey> awww
[01:49] <Roey> you mean as an alternative to using Unity?!?!
[01:49] <Roey> or in general?
[01:49] <Roey> and which Service, in that case?
[01:57] <lolcat^> I just need something new and flashy to cheer me up
[01:57] <lolcat^> It is usually a weeks worth of entertainment in each upgrade
[02:18] <lolcat^> Roey: ZOMG! I am updating, now unity dissapeared!
[02:22] <lolcat^> Jordan_U: Help me here?
[02:23] <Jordan_U> lolcat^: I know hardly anything about unity or I would.
[02:24] <lolcat^> But I have no task bar
[02:24] <lolcat^> This interface has no ctrl + F2
[02:24] <lolcat^> So I am stuck with a terminal a chrome and a vlc window
[02:26] <Jordan_U> lolcat^: At the login screen, after you've selected your username, there should be an option to start a failsafe gnome session (menu at the bottom of the screen).
[02:28] <lolcat^> Jordan_U: Wouldnt stopping x in the middle of a upgrade be unfortunate?
[02:33] <Jordan_U> lolcat^: Yes.
[02:34]  * h00k waves
[02:36] <YankeesFan> can i install natty into my /home parittion?
[02:44] <Jordan_U> YankeesFan: You'll have to explain better what exactly you're trying to accomplish.
[02:44] <YankeesFan> install natty into where my /home partition is but not into where the root partition
[02:44] <YankeesFan> it would go like / /dev/sda1 /home=/sda2
[02:45] <YankeesFan> ubuntu 10.10 / = / dev/sda1 and /home /dev/sda2  but natty would just be /dev/sda2
[02:46] <YankeesFan> or instead of just resizing put ubuntu 11.04 into the partition where my /home folder resides
[02:50] <Jordan_U> YankeesFan: While it would probably work, I strongly advise against using the same partition as a separate /home for one install and full '/' for another.
[02:54] <YankeesFan> you mean not use a /home paritition?
[03:00] <Jordan_U> YankeesFan: Could you please rephrase your question?
[03:00] <YankeesFan> u mean i should keep everything in one partition and not use a seperate /home partition?
[03:01] <Jordan_U> YankeesFan: I do think that, but that was not what I was trying to say with my earlier comment.
[03:01] <YankeesFan> oh i see
[04:20] <ripps> does compiz 9 have widget layer yet?
[04:20] <h00k> ripps: hello
[04:21] <ripps> h00k: yo
[04:21] <Guest19465> Can i upgrade to 11.04 from 10.10 thats installed through windows?
[04:21] <IdleOne> Guest19465: I don't believe you can but that is beside the point. 11.04 is still alpha and not stable
[04:22] <Guest19465> I Know but i just wanted to mess around with it.
[04:22] <IdleOne> get the daily build and run it in a VM
[04:23] <Guest19465> Ok thank you.
[05:12] <lolcat^> Is there a risk I will loose my cryptodisk?
[06:24] <ripps> hmm... it appears that compiz-fusion-plugins-extra is updated in the natty repos and it has widgetlayer. I might feel a little uncomfortable with where unity currently is in development, but I can always revert to the Classic Desktop option, right?
[06:25] <ripps> I'm gonna put an updated put an updated natty image on my thumbdrive and see how stable everything is.
[06:28] <rww> ripps: yes, there's an option to use "classic" Ubuntu instead of Unity in GDM.
[06:31] <ripps> I might upgrade to natty soon. I usually upgrade to alpha sooner, but with the compiz/unity transistion, alot of my stuff I use on a daily basis and the setup I'm comfortable with would have been broken.
[06:31] <rww> yeah, it's an interesting ride this cycle, for sure
[06:32] <ripps> Does anybody know if Unity will support theming? I can't stand the traditional color scheme of Ubuntu, I prefer dark/blue color scheme.
[06:33] <rww> When I changed my GNOME theme to a light one a few weeks ago, it ended up half light and half dark. I don't know if it's improved since then.
[06:40] <ripps> Well from what I understand, theming only affects only the windows, not the actual panel/dock of unity.
[11:25] <OchoZero9> what do i have to do to get kubuntu?
[11:26] <OchoZero9> My main concern is running kde apps, specifically kile
[11:26] <rww> install 'kubuntu-desktop' package, but you can run apps from one DE in another DE, generally...
[11:27] <OchoZero9> i actually installed that on my virtual box..
[11:27] <rww> (or use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ if you're looking for a CD)
[11:28] <OchoZero9> that's what im downloading now, the question arises because it has the same file name as the one i downloaded before
[11:28] <rww> yes, daily builds don't include the distribution in the filename
[11:28] <OchoZero9> nice
[11:29] <OchoZero9> so it will natively install kde then, this new cd i'm downloading
[11:29] <OchoZero9> ?
[11:29] <rww> yes
[11:29] <OchoZero9> cool
[13:09] <slipttees> Ubuntu 11.04 goin Gnoem 3 ?
[13:11] <slipttees> Ubuntu 10.04 goin' Gnome 3?
[13:13] <rumpel__> slipttees, aptitude mentiones gnome3-session manager...
[13:13] <slipttees> hum
[13:15] <slipttees> thx rumpel__
[13:16] <slipttees> rumpel__: libreoffice too?
[13:16] <rumpel__> nope
[13:18] <slipttees> =[
[13:20] <rumpel__> i use it for about two weeks and it looks very stable... if you think about testing it...
[15:26] <mib_ahdy7r> Is Natty 11.04 having reported  problems with boot freeze?
[15:40] <Punkoff> Are Unity Places working already?
[15:41] <Punkoff> I've installed unity-place-* packages but places don't show up
[16:08] <coz_> hey all
[16:16] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[16:26] <mib_ahdy7r> which channel is 11.04 NATTY
[16:27] <rumpe1> mib_ahdy7r, #ubuntu+1
[16:27] <Daekdroom> Which is.. this one!
[16:28] <rumpe1> surprise! \o/
[16:32] <mib_ahdy7r> Thank you. Have  freeze on boots been reported for 11.04 ?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> mib_ahdy7r: there is bug 694772, affecting alternate and server ISOs
[16:39] <mib_ahdy7r> have checked and could not find that. Thanks.
[16:40] <mib_ahdy7r> At start up I have a 50/50 chance to hit grub OS listing.
[16:42] <rumpe1> mib_ahdy7r, when does it exactly freeze?
[16:42] <Kre10s> hello. Im using ubuntu 11.4, How can I change the login screen?
[16:43] <rumpe1> Kre10s, System->Administration->login screen
[16:43] <Kre10s> and what then?
[16:44] <Kre10s> the local tab? that seems to be the method for ubuntu 10.4. 11.4 has no such option...
[16:44] <rumpe1> hm
[16:44] <Kre10s> A shame really, I know how to change the login screen in 10.4...
[16:45] <rumpe1> Kre10s, what do you want to change?
[16:45] <Kre10s> If you can tell me where the files are kept... I can change it manually
[16:45] <rumpe1> well..  locate gdm | grep png   gives some grafiks you could modify.. .i guess...
[16:45] <Kre10s> I would like to change the theme to the one used by 10.4
[16:46] <Kre10s> when I shut down there is also a purple screen... If I could just make it black...
[16:46] <Kre10s> brb
[16:48] <rumpe1> well .. one idea would be a system-wide scan for graphics, pick the relevant ones, change em and hope, it works ...  /if/ the purple screen you mean is stored as a graphics-file
[16:49] <anon33_> is there a way to remove a package without installing the new, extra packages? ie - i'd like to remove firefox
[16:50] <rumpe1> anon33_, which extra packages for example?
[16:50] <anon33_> epiphany-browser, yelp, gnome-js-common, etc...
[16:50] <anon33_> dunno why
[16:51] <rumpe1> hmm... if i try to remove firefox, abrowser and abrowser-branding will be installed
[16:52] <anon33_> rumpe1: I'm not on Natty and I've probably botched the default firefox install
[16:52] <rumpe1> perhaps they are in fact only reconfigured (to point to another browser?)
[16:53] <IdleOne> anon33_: why are you asking in here if you are not running natty?
[16:53] <anon33_> IdleOne: I default to natty packages most of the time, which I'll do in this case once I can get Firefox removed properly
[16:54] <IdleOne> so you are mixing repos, ugly
[16:55] <anon33_> IdleOne: I'm trying not to (most of the time)
[16:58] <nperry> anon33_: To be honest, don't mix. You either use natty or stay on maverick.. Asking for trouble mixing, all alot of packages depend of certain versions.
[17:06] <anon33_> nperry: got it. now do you know if there's a way to remove a package without having to install new ones?
[17:06] <anon33_> purge doesn't seem to do the trick
[17:39] <mib_ahdy7r> at start up either go's to login and work fine and or to OS version grub list and freezes. 50/50
[17:43] <mib_ahdy7r> any ideas? I have checked bugs in regard to this but none have anything in common.
[17:45] <om26er> mib_ahdy7r, i faced this issue on the alpha-1 but after updates applied the issue is fixed, is your system upto-date?
[17:47] <mib_ahdy7r> running current updates  as we speak
[17:49] <om26er> definitely something to do with the grub framebuffer in natty (tm)
[17:50] <Daekdroom> Anyone else with plymouth running on low res only?
[17:54] <mib_ahdy7r> all set and booting great
[18:12] <Kre10s> Is there no standard way of changing the ubuntu 11.4 login screen?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> Kre10s, I'm on kde , in system settings /login screen , dunno what the gnome equivalent is.
[18:24] <Kre10s> BluesKaj: thats how older versions of ubuntu handled it... but the latest version has been castrated in this regard
[18:25] <BluesKaj> Kre10s, readying for gnome3 ?
[18:25] <Kre10s> me?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> no the desktop
[18:26] <Kre10s> I have gnome 2.32
[18:26] <Kre10s> I wouldn't know why the function disapeared
[18:27] <Kre10s> If i only knew where the config files are kept... I could change it manually
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Kre10s, when it launches officially , I guess is what I mean
[18:30] <Kre10s> another thing... How can I get the location entry field in nautilus?
[18:30] <Kre10s> there used to be an icon to cghange between the buttons and text.
[18:32] <yofel_> click on the text line maybe, and there's a keyboard shortcut.
[18:32] <yofel> I can't remember which one though :S
[18:33] <Kre10s> ctrl+l i think. but ian't there a way to have it apear permanentally?
[18:33] <yofel> no idea, I'm on KDE too
[18:35] <BluesKaj> ok bbl
[18:36] <Kre10s> what about right click? I have a .theme file. I right click it, and don't get an open with other app menu.\
[18:53] <chris_____> hi there
[18:54] <chris_____> i got frequent ATA erros with 11.04 (and 10.08) with my sata drives
[18:54] <chris_____> i searched google and found out that many have the same problem
[20:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, FF4B8 doesn't seems to be integrating thne toolbar fonts well with kde font settings , wonder if there's away to adjust them ...I need larger fonts for this monitor
[21:06] <genii-around> Incidentally, I like the currently plain black background for kdm.


[23:10] <tsimonq2> pleia2: would this go anywhere in UWN? http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/01/data-driven-analysis-tmp-on-tmpfs.html
[23:37] <pleia2> tsimonq2: no, that's a how-to, not news
[23:37] <tsimonq2> got it :)
[23:38] <tsimonq2> pleia2: there will not be an underabundance of blogosphere links this week, let's say that :)
[23:38] <tsimonq2> underabundance? is that a word? *shrug*
[23:39] <pleia2> haha, I'll cull them on friday ;)
[23:42] <tsimonq2> yeah, there are 3 different articles about the Ubuntu tablet :)
[23:43] <tsimonq2> (I only put one)


[00:45] <BUGabundo> asac: hi, have u read http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/intels-linux-connman-examining-the-pros-and-conns.ars ?
[00:54] <asac> interesting
[00:55] <BUGabundo> im liking the matrix too
[00:55] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:56] <BUGabundo> asac: wanna know another funny thing?
[00:56] <BUGabundo> on 3G I can only see properties, when disconected
[00:56] <BUGabundo> after connecting the menu entrie disapers
[01:00] <BUGabundo> asac: did you take into consideration to keep wireless swich on NM separate for 3G?
[01:01] <asac> didnt think about it yet
[01:07] <BUGabundo> shall I file a bug to remind you ?
[01:08] <asac> remind ;)
[01:40]  * BUGabundo $ sleep in 3,2,1, errrr. No Device Found
[01:46] <TomJaeger> Hi, does anyone want to discuss bug #217908 ?
[01:49] <TomJaeger> Now might be a good time to get the fix in.
[04:16] <ripps> fta: ping
[09:10] <fta> ripps, pong
[09:12] <ripps> fta: sorry that i'm just getting this to, but your last commit to ppa-scripts didn't fix my issue with mpd still using libmms in hardy
[09:13] <ripps> I've been kinda busy the last few days, I didn't bother to try it until mpd made an upstream update earlier yesterday
[09:13] <fta> hm..
[09:14] <ripps> I think it still has the lintian and mms leftover from when there was an error, how do I force it to revert to the way it's suppose to be.
[09:16] <ripps> I would manually meddle with the configs, but I'm afraid that will screw the update mechinism in the scripts
[09:24] <fta> do you have a new commit in the main ppa branch since?
[09:27] <asac> hi
[09:27] <ripps> fta: no, I but I can always futz with the packaging branch to force an update
[09:28] <fta> yes, please try that
[09:35] <ripps> fta: http://pastebin.com/f445bc5e7
[09:37] <ripps> dangit... it looks like it worked this time.... why didn't it work with the first build?
[09:48] <fta> :)
[10:15] <BUGabundo> guud day
[10:34] <fta> damned udev/policykit
[10:34] <fta> Not Authorized: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.CheckAuthorization() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code
[10:37] <BUGabundo> YEP
[10:37] <BUGabundo> known eheh
[10:37] <BUGabundo> I have a lot of those for device mounting too
[10:49] <fta> asac, did you have a chance to look at my libjpeg?
[10:57] <ripps> fta: in the mean time, use pmount /dev/device label to mount it.
[11:08] <asac> fta: did you ask me recently and i missed that?
[11:08]  * asac feels overwhelmed
[11:08] <fta> iirc, you never commented on it
[11:09] <asac> fta: last i know was that it didnt work, right?
[11:10] <fta> yep, but i'm not sure why.. different abi or mistake on my side
[11:10] <fta> or both
[11:10] <fta> or something else
[11:11] <asac> fta: so what do we want to answer on the xul app packaging thing?
[11:11] <fta> ?
[11:14] <stefanlsd> asac: have you had a chance to revu gears yet?  :)
[11:15] <fta> [12:08] * asac feels overwhelmed
[11:16] <stefanlsd> oh right. no stress :)  if you are generally ok with it, i can get another motu to advocate, and i'll self adv.
[11:23] <BUGabundo> yeah fta that one also made me think!
[11:27] <asac> answered the xul packaging stuff
[11:27] <asac> stefanlsd: i would suggest that you try to get a first sign off ... fta said that getting a second sign off is harder ;)
[11:27] <asac> (so i would proopose that i give the second sign off)
[11:27] <asac> or is my sign off enough?
[11:28]  * asac unsure about revu policy
[11:28] <asac> stefanlsd: can you build gears against xul 1.9.1?
[11:29] <stefanlsd> asac: i can self advocate, but rainct said he also would...  so i'll get him to have a look, and if you're happy i'll upload...
[11:29] <stefanlsd> asac: let me check...
[11:29] <asac> stefanlsd: please depend on xulrunner-dev (if you depend on 1.9-dev)
[11:29] <asac> build depend
[11:42] <stefanlsd> asac: im alreadly build-depending on xulrunner-dev. Should that xulrunner-1.9.1-dev?
[11:45] <asac> stefanlsd: no thats ok then
[11:45] <asac> just want to ensure that we dont add xulrunner-1.9-dev anymore
[11:46] <stefanlsd> asac: oh ok. cool. yeah. its using xulrunner-dev as is.
[12:34] <asac> fta: did you try the jpeg on amd64 only? or also on 32-bit?
[12:49] <stefanlsd> is the MPL,GPL,LGPL essentially MPL or GPL or LGPL, or  MPL and GPL and LGPL? mmm
[12:52] <stefanlsd> ok. its an or
[12:56] <asac> yeah
[12:56] <asac> or
[13:46] <asac> stefanlsd: advocated
[13:47] <stefanlsd> asac: thanks. i've made some minor changes - line wrapping, dep5 revision bump to 59 (small changes) mpl or gpl etc. So will upload new version shortly. RainCT also just testing. but awesome :)
[13:48] <asac> stefanlsd: you can also fix minor issues after archive upload ;)
[13:49] <stefanlsd> asac: yay! cool.  finally. weird how some stuff can take months...
[13:56] <mbana> hello all
[13:56] <mbana> i have a strong feeling gmail is using bitmapped fonts.  how can i verify this
[14:58] <bac> hi asac
[14:59] <asac> hi bac
[14:59] <asac> what can i do for you?
[14:59] <bac> i noticed on this page https://edge.launchpad.net/firefox/+download the file appears to not actually be what it claims
[15:00] <bac> the file is actually an error message, which is really confusing when you attempt to dl it
[15:00] <bac> i was wondering if you might just delete it.
[15:00] <asac> yes
[15:00] <asac> bac: deleted. thanks
[15:00] <bac> that's great.  i spent quite a bit of time wondering why the librarian was tring to redirect to that ftp site...
[15:35] <TomJaeger> asac, can we discuss bug #217908 ?
[16:11] <asac> TomJaeger: still a problem?
[16:12] <TomJaeger> it still needs a xulrunner patch
[16:15] <TomJaeger> the cairo part is now upstream, though it only conditionally enables EXTEND_PAD via XRender on X servers >= 1.7
[16:15] <TomJaeger> but we have a cairo patch in that already does so unconditionally
[16:15] <asac> TomJaeger: are you talking about xulrunner 1.9.1 or 1.9? (karmic or jaunty?)
[16:16] <TomJaeger> karmic
[16:17] <asac> TomJaeger: same problem in firefox-3.5?
[16:17] <TomJaeger> yes
[16:18] <TomJaeger> So what I'd suggest is applying the patch attached to the bug now (so that the binary drivers can get some testing) and then switch over to the patch I attached on the mozilla bugtracker as soon as we get xserver-1.7 and an updated cairo
[16:18] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22591744/debdiffs.tar.gz ?
[16:18] <asac> those?
[16:18] <TomJaeger> no
[16:19] <TomJaeger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22544758/xulrunner-1.9.1.debdiff
[16:20] <asac> TomJaeger: for cairo >= 1.5.8 we use system cairo
[16:20] <asac> oh its thebes
[16:21] <TomJaeger> asac, I know, system cairo makes things a lot easier
[16:24] <asac> TomJaeger: can you fix indentation on upstream patch and request review please?
[16:25] <TomJaeger> how do I request review?
[16:25] <asac> cairo_version() ... is that a runtime function?
[16:25] <asac> TomJaeger: resubmit and let me konw i will show you ;)
[16:26] <TomJaeger> re cairo_version: yes
[16:26] <asac> TomJaeger: basically you go to patch "Details" and then you flip "review" to ? and set the person you ask review from
[16:26] <TomJaeger> okay, thanks
[16:33] <asac> TomJaeger: i would prefer to grab upstream vetted patch
[16:34] <asac> seems that the EXTEND_PAD really makes things slower and i dont want to argue about that ;)
[16:36] <TomJaeger> The patch has no effect unless the user has enabled full page zoom > 100%
[16:36] <TomJaeger> and even in the case of zoom > 100%, the effect is negligible if done right
[16:37] <TomJaeger> If vlad accepts the patch, though, we should definitely go with the patch attached to the ubuntu bugtracker until we update the server to 1.7
[16:40] <TomJaeger> okay, I've requested review
[16:40] <asac> TomJaeger: well. thats the point. if vlad says he doesnt want it, its a problem to put it in anyway
[16:40] <asac> at least i have to talk to him first ;)
[16:41] <TomJaeger> I already know that he's fine with what the patch does
[16:41] <asac> TomJaeger: if users have a (:XXX) thing in their bugzilla name it means you can request review just using :vlad
[16:41] <asac> no need to bother about email address
[16:41] <TomJaeger> actually, that's what I did :)
[16:42] <asac> oh ok
[16:42] <asac> didnt know it expands that
[16:47] <asac> fta: 3.5 is out
[16:47] <asac> fta: will you upload to karmic? so i get a tarball for -security?
[16:59] <Nafallo> how do I tell firefox to ignore if the cert is being reused easiest?
[17:00] <asac> Nafallo: i cant parse that ;)
[17:00] <asac> ignore what?
[17:00] <asac> what does "cert reusing mean"?
[17:01] <vadi2> is ff 3.5 final? it is being offered at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html as the default option.
[17:02] <Nafallo> asac: so... I have this page that makes firefox believe the cert is invalid.
[17:02] <Nafallo> (Error code: sec_error_reused_issuer_and_serial)
[17:03] <asac> Nafallo: goto your account settings
[17:03] <asac> go under security and click manage certificates.
[17:03] <asac> find the cert in question under the website tab & delete it.. then accept the new one if prompted
[17:04] <Nafallo> asac: I didn't get prompted :-/
[17:05] <asac> removed the wrong one maybe?
[17:05] <Nafallo> asac: no
[17:06] <Nafallo> asac: even restarted my browser.
[17:07] <Nafallo> no google. I did not want to search for :q
[17:14] <fta2> asac, i will but i'm worried about the -daily... once we make it default, the backports will follow..
[17:24] <aquarius> What with Fx 3.5 being released and all, I thought I'd try it out, but I'm not sure if it's packaged anywhere for jaunty? The nightly builds PPA is a bit too scary, so...what's the best way of me upgrading to 3.5 on jaunty at the moment?
[17:24] <aquarius> I can of course just install direct from mozilla.org and then it's parallel-installed, but it'd be nice to not do that if possible.
[17:26] <jcastro> asac: it might be a good idea to blog or something before the entire internet comes into this channel asking the same thing
[17:27] <jcastro> or tell me what to blog and I'll do it. :D
[17:34] <asac> fta: what about karmic update so i get a tarball?
[17:34] <asac> fta: if you want me to do that let me know.
[17:37]  * aquarius grins
[17:37] <aquarius> I had a poke around in case there were already some really obvious instructions that I'd miss...
[17:39] <asac> aquarius: i will blog about it after meeting. in short, if you use jaunty or karmic, install firefox-3.5 and wait
[17:39] <aquarius> asac: excellent, that's really helpful! thanks :)
[17:40] <asac> aquarius: if you run jaunty and want it on first chance enable the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[17:40] <asac> thats where the jaunty bits will hit the archive first.
[17:40] <asac> if you are on hardy or intrepid we unfortunately only have the ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily PPA
[17:40] <asac> for now
[17:40] <asac> but we are working to make a backport ppa available somewhere
[17:41] <aquarius> I'm on jaunty, so that seems perfectly fine to me. superb.
[17:45] <aquarius> firefox-3.5 package. I had no idea that existed. Total win. Cheers asac and all :)
[17:45] <asac> aquarius: its been in jaunty for quite som time ;)
[17:45] <asac> just will get updated now that its final
[17:45] <asac> and then get regular security updates as usual
[17:46] <asac> aquarius: would you volunteer to enable the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA and test the bits before they get rolled to the masses?
[17:46] <aquarius> I'm happy to enable the PPA, update, and run things for a general "does this work" smoke test
[17:47] <aquarius> but it'll be pretty light testing if I do it
[17:47] <asac> aquarius: normal use is good testing
[17:47] <asac> as long as i know that someone uses it ;)
[17:47]  * aquarius laughs
[17:48] <asac> we only upload updates that would go into -security anyway
[17:48] <asac> so its pretty safe
[17:48] <asac> but if there is a regression and you catch it, you are a hero ;)
[17:48] <aquarius> omg a tab [+] button. I already love 3.5. ;)
[17:49] <asac> lol
[17:49] <aquarius> OK, so if I enable the -security PPA, does that upgrade my firefox-3.5 package or my firefox package?
[17:51] <asac> aquarius: yes
[17:51] <asac> it will
[17:52] <asac> aquarius: firefox-3.5 and xulrunner-1.9.1 will get upgraded
[17:52] <asac> but if there is a 3.0 security release you will also get those updates a day or two earlier
[17:52] <aquarius> hang on, i meant "does it upgrade firefox-3.5" or "does it upgrade firefox". :-)
[17:52] <aquarius> ah, gotcha. coolness
[17:55] <micahg> asac: people seem to keep having flash conflicts if 2 flash players are installed
[17:56] <aquarius> -security PPA enabled, so when a new version of firefox-3.5 arrives I'll get it. Thanks!
[17:56] <micahg> or maybe it's just defaulting to swfdec
[17:57] <vadi2> hm, installed the current firefox 3.5 and subscribed to the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security ppa. hope after final 3.5 gets into the ppa and I upgrade, the thing will stop refusing to start :)
[17:57] <aquarius> woah, it all works. Superb.
[17:58] <aquarius> well, geolocation thinks I'm in Mountain View, but I assume that's because I don't have a GPS :)
[17:58] <vadi2> hm... my android phone somehow figured out where I was just by wireless and without a gps :/
[18:03] <asac> aquarius: yeah. if you stay here, we  can do more interactive testing
[18:03] <asac> otherwise just come here if you have problems with -security bits ;)
[18:03] <aquarius> asac: happy to
[18:04] <aquarius> man, svg filters on arbitrary elements. This is sweet. I can't believe I could have had all this stuff before if I'd known about the firefox-3.5 package. I am so dense :)
[18:04] <asac> lol
[18:04] <asac> i guess i should have blogged about it
[18:04] <asac> will do that in a few muntes
[18:05] <asac> at least i blogged about the dailies ;) http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/158-Ubuntu-Mozilla-Daily-Archive-with-firefox-3.1-and-3.2-for-hardy,-intrepid-and-jaunty.html
[18:07] <aquarius> I knew about the daily builds, but I was too chicken to use them because I thought it'd overwrite my standard firefox package, and I can't afford to have my browser go away :)
[18:17] <aquarius> ooo. http://craigmod.com/journal/font-face/ breaks rather weirdly.
[18:17] <aquarius> all the characters get replaced with those little "you don't have a glyph for this" Unicode boxes with the numbers in.
[18:18] <asac> aquarius: screenshot please
[18:18] <aquarius> just doing on
[18:20] <fta> asac_, asac: seems there's no tag
[18:20] <asac_> fta: no release tag?
[18:20] <aquarius> asac: http://kryogenix.org/random/font-face-broken-ff35.png
[18:22] <fta> asac_, http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/atom-tags
[18:23] <fta> oh, FIREFOX_3_5_RELEASE, so it's the same as RC3
[18:23] <aquarius> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/geolocation/ says you can undo "read my location" permission for a page in Page Info > Permissions > Share Location. I don't have that item in Permissions. Aside from that, I don't seem to have a way of granting that permission to a page anyway; every time the page wants my permission, Fx asks me. there's no "tell them and don't ask again". Slightly confused.
[18:26] <asac_> yes
[18:26] <asac_> aquarius: wait for final build if that still has it lets file a bug
[18:27] <fta> asac_, 3.5 or 3.5.0? the branch already move to 3.5.1pre / <IP_ADDRESS>pre
[18:27] <aquarius> asac_: no worries, I don't want to overwhelm you guys with bugs that aren't right for now :)
[18:27] <fta> moveD
[18:27] <fta> 3.5 i guess, to match upstream
[18:29] <asac_> aquarius: all bugs are ok once you have the latest bits
[18:39] <micahg> so, FF3.5 is officially released?
[18:40] <asac_> yes!!
[18:42] <micahg> so how much longer for support on the 3.0.x branch?
[18:44] <micahg> asac, is the new ubufox ready?
[18:47] <fta> micahg, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[19:06] <asac_> jcastro: http://identi.ca/notice/5908434
[19:06] <asac_> please spread
[19:07] <asac_> Pici: ^^
[19:08]  * aquarius twitters the link
[19:12] <fta> asac_, i'm ready to push 3.5 to karmic with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/207101/ do you see any thing else before i close it?
[19:12] <Pici> asac_: thanks
[19:14] <leftyfb> Any idea why FF 3.5 on ubuntu 8.04 would segfault? I tried both the ubuntu-mozilla-daily and fta repo's and both have RC and both segfault
[19:15] <asac_> fta: official branding ... please not yet
[19:15] <asac_> we will do that when we move that to main
[19:15] <fta> asac_, why? i see no reason not to do it, it's still using the cloned profile
[19:16] <fta> it's just a matter of icons
[19:16] <asac_> fta: because its not the main browser and official branding needs to be signed off
[19:16] <fta> we started to use the official branding at the RCs in 3.0
[19:17] <asac_> yes, because it was the default at that point
[19:17] <leftyfb> I just tried starting with no original Firefox 3.0.11 profile. Still get segfault. Any ideas?
[19:17] <asac_> leftyfb: on hardy?
[19:17] <leftyfb> yes
[19:18] <asac_> leftyfb: move full .mozilla away, then start it with strace -f -eopen firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ffox.log.txt
[19:18] <asac_> assuming you have the daily ppa package installed
[19:18] <asac_> firefox-3.5 actually
[19:18] <asac_> (not firefox)
[19:20] <leftyfb> http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/ffox.log.txt
[19:20] <asac_> fta: please dont forget to open up maxVersion in application.ini
[19:21] <fta> asac_, for the translations?
[19:21] <asac_> leftyfb: uninstall libxul0d and libmozjs0d
[19:22] <asac_> fta: for application.ini and also for translation (good catch)
[19:22] <asac_> fta: application.ini has maxVersion == currentVersion if we dont patch it
[19:22] <leftyfb> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[19:22] <leftyfb>   google-gadgets libmozjs-dev libmozjs0d libxul-dev libxul0d xulrunner
[19:22] <asac_> we want maxVersion=1.9.1.*
[19:22] <leftyfb> thats ok?
[19:22] <asac_> leftyfb: yes
[19:22] <asac_> if you can live without google-gadgets i guess
[19:22] <leftyfb> yup
[19:23] <leftyfb> forgot i had it installed
[19:23] <asac_> leftyfb: oh
[19:23] <asac_> leftyfb: you only need to remove the -dev packages
[19:23] <asac_> libxul-dev libmozjs-dev
[19:23]  * asac_ makes a note that we should conflict on them
[19:23] <asac_> fta: wanna add those conflicts on xulrunner-1.9.1?
[19:24] <fta> you mean, libxul-dev libmozjs-dev conflicting with xul*-dev, right?
[19:25] <asac_> fta: i mean, adding Conflicts: libxul-dev libmozjs-dev to xulrunner-1.9.1  binary package
[19:25] <asac_> not the -dev
[19:25] <asac_> well the -dev will be implicit
[19:25] <asac_> if xulrunner finds /usr/lib/libmozjs.so it will load that instead the one in pkglibdir
[19:26] <asac_> same for libxul.so most likely
[19:30] <fta> shouldn't it be Build-Conflicts too?
[19:43] <fta> asac_, ^^
[19:46] <leftyfb> asac: thanks. That worked.
[19:47] <leftyfb> any ETA on the final release coming?
[19:47] <leftyfb> this thing flies
[19:47] <leftyfb> even with my 20+ addons :)
[19:50] <asac_> fta: no its a Conflicts
[19:50] <asac_> its not for build, but runtime
[19:50] <asac_> libxul-dev and libmozjs-dev will hurt our xulrunner during runtime
[19:51] <asac_> leftyfb: http://www.telefon.de/datenblaetter/panasonic_kx_tg82xx.pdf
[19:51] <fta> i remember i had issues at build time too with libmozjs-dev but i don't remember with project it was
[19:51] <asac_> oops
[19:51] <asac_> leftyfb: http://identi.ca/notice/5908434
[19:51] <asac_> fta: install libmozjs-dev and it will crash your ffox 3.5 ;)
[19:51] <fta> asac_, about max version, which one?
[19:51] <asac_> at least it will try to use those bits
[19:51] <asac_> fta: 1.9.1.*
[19:51] <fta> in ff?
[19:52] <fta> is that wanted?
[19:52] <asac_> application.ini maxVersion=1.9.1.* means that its supposed to run with all xulrunners 1.9.1.*
[19:52] <asac_> fta: why not?
[19:52] <asac_> we did that for ffox 3.0 too
[19:52] <asac_> [Gecko]
[19:52] <asac_> MinVersion=<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:52] <asac_> MaxVersion=1.9.0.*
[20:02] <fta> i remember now
[20:11] <fta> asac_, about the branding, users are expecting it...
[20:12] <asac_> i know. and we are working on it
[20:13] <asac_> the transition is being prepared in ffox35 ppa
[20:13] <asac_> once we have all main stuff we can shift the default browser
[20:13] <asac_> most likely shortly after alpha3
[20:15] <asac_> in case lots of users complain we can of course reconsider, but lets see first if its really worth putting the extra chains on us
[20:48] <fta> all the builders are busy
[21:31] <asac_> fta: uploaded?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> fta: quick steps to compile from source firefox ?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> some one asking on a PT blog
[22:47] <BUGabundo> asac ping. around?
[22:47] <huayra> if I have a translation for Firefox in X language (and we follow the development process) and it has not been accepted by mozilla, but could be uploaded to launchpad or otherwise make it packageable for Ubuntu. Would it be part of Karmic?
[22:48] <huayra> could we at least make it hapen?
[22:48] <huayra> *happen
[22:48] <BUGabundo> ppl at +1 are crying out load for the release of 3.5 as master browser
[22:48] <BUGabundo> asac ^^^
[22:48] <huayra> 3.5 is a better browser.. Been using it since december and it just rocks!
[22:48] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I'm on 3.6
[22:48] <huayra> X translation is for 3.5 ;)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> 3.5 is to stable for me
[22:49] <huayra> I haven't gone 3.6 yet
[22:49] <huayra> but most likely will for translation testing purposes (I'm always on +1 in my personal machine)
[22:50] <fta> BUGabundo, i'm on it, xul already pushed to karmic
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:51] <BUGabundo> about the source q?
[22:51] <fta> like any other packages
[22:52] <fta> apt-get source foo; cd foo-* ; dpkg-buildpackage
[22:52] <BUGabundo> talk to me like I'm a nooob
[22:52] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:57] <fta> BUGabundo, there are plenty of good tutorials for that
[22:58] <BUGabundo> I'll point him Google
[22:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:59] <fta> BUGabundo, dholbac's videos
[23:11] <asac_> fta: are you waiting for something to upload ffox?
[23:13] <fta> i was, but it's done now
[23:14] <BUGabundo> yay asac_
[23:14] <fta> asac, builders are busy doing private stuff
[23:15] <asac> fta: yeah. just upload with tweaked lower build-depends bound
[23:15] <asac> ah ok
[23:15] <asac> thought you were waiting for xul to finish
[23:15] <asac> thx
[23:16] <fta> unlocked the 3.5 dailies too
[23:16] <asac> hmm. 3.5 isnt in archive yet
[23:16] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5
[23:16] <asac> still at rc3
[23:16] <asac> err 2
[23:16] <asac> ;)
[23:17] <asac> guess you just uploaded
[23:17] <fta> i'm wondering what will happen with those dailies once 3.5 will be default..
[23:17] <asac> fta: in which sense? branding wise the dailies should be same as upstream dailies i guess
[23:18] <asac> and we need two branches unfortunately
[23:18] <asac> or make the .head even smarter
[23:18] <asac> e.g. creating control on the fly
[23:18] <fta> hmm
[23:18] <asac> not sure if i want to end up with packages like doko maintains ;)
[23:18] <asac> they do everything in rules
[23:20] <asac> fta: ffox 3.5 still not closed ;)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> asac still at rc2
[23:21] <asac> i see that ;)
[23:22] <BUGabundo> not rc3
[23:22] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:22] <BUGabundo> AFAIK rc3 is Mac gui fix only
[23:22] <asac> well. i am waiting so i can merge stuff to jaunty branch ;)
[23:23]  * asac takes a break to give fta some time ;)
[23:23] <fta> oops, forgot to push the branch, done
[23:23] <fta> #433


[00:05] <cryptopsy> i saw it yesterday but now i don't remember where it is
[00:12] <cryptopsy> oh i found it, bottom of the 'edit' page
[11:01] <Kre10s_> hello. I uploaded a new package to my ppa using dput ppa:schneidersoft/brewery morse_0.1-1.changes... The command exited successfully, but i do not see the package in my ppa... whats up with that?
[11:11] <sagaci> how long ago
[11:18] <maxb> It takes (usually) 1 to 5 minutes for an upload to be processed by the cronjob which reads your uploaded files. At that point, you get an accepted/rejected email, and if accepted, the package is visible in the web UI
[12:52] <scotty^> Has anyone else noticed that lately Launchpad Janitor is changing bug statuses to "Confirmed" with the message "Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users." even though no there is no direct evidence of the bug affecting multiple users?
[12:54] <StevenK> scotty^: People clicked on "affects me too" on the top of the bug report?
[12:54] <maxb> scotty^: that's based on multiple users clicking the 'affects me too' thing
[12:55] <scotty^> Woops.  Sorry, I didn't notice that.
[12:55] <scotty^> Doh!
[12:55] <scotty^> Silly me.
[12:55] <scotty^> Thanks.
[12:55] <scotty^> I'm glad I asked before I changed the status back to New.
[12:56] <scotty^> Thanks again.  Bye.
[15:55] <genjix> hey
[15:55] <genjix> i'm trying to change the description on my launchpad page
[15:55] <genjix> it keeps saying
[15:55] <genjix> Please try again
[15:55] <genjix> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[18:21] <glen> hey, if i want to create new branch, i just do push to it?
[18:21] <glen> http://docs.drizzle.org/contributing/code.html#pushing-work
[18:22] <glen> because if i do so, it says invalid project error:
[18:22] <glen> 20:20:51 glen[load: 0.20]@lucid ~/bzr/chromium-browser.head.daily$ bzr push lp:~glen666/chromium-browser.head.daily
[18:22] <glen> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~glen666/chromium-browser.head.daily": No such project: chromium-browser.head.daily
[18:23] <glen> ah, it needs one level more, a project dir. okay
[19:27] <Kre10s_> tumbleweed
[19:31] <genjix> WHERE!?


[00:12] <Dandel> I"m still wondering when/if the OGL ICD will get backported into precise... It appears in 12.10 and newer ( only real change for 12.04 is to update the khronos opencl headers to 1.2 )
[00:14] <RAOF> YOu mean the OCL ICD?
[00:16] <Dandel> yea... that... it's pretty much to fix a package that is already mostly worthless ><;
[00:17] <Dandel> the opencl-headers package on ubuntu 12.04 is worthless by default because there is no OpenCL library to go with it.
[00:18] <Dandel> fglrx and nvidia drivers both provide an OpenCL library on precise, but it's not all that useful with the included headers.
[00:19] <Dandel> although on nvidia it is limited to the 304.88 or similar driver.
[01:00] <bjsnider> Dandel, there's no mesa opencl lib?
[01:01] <Dandel> bjsnider, not until mesa 10.
[01:01] <Dandel> and at that, it's limited ><;
[01:02] <Dandel> on linux khronos has a opencl library ( icd enabled so it means more than 1 provider at once )
[01:05] <bjsnider> pretty funny to have headers with no lib
[05:34] <tjaalton> darthduck: okay


[00:56] <lunatiq> ss -ant |grep -E ':80|:443'|grep ESTAB| awk '{print $5}' | cut -d":" -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr -- why doesn't this work on jammy. Its supposed to check for established connections on ports 80 and 443, which are the standard ports for HTTP and HTTPS traffic, respectively. It then sorts these connections by IP address and counts the number of connections for each IP.
[01:38] <rfm> lunatiq:  what do you mean "doesn't work"?  What does it do instead?  I can see it overcounting, because it would catch connections to ports beginning with 80 or 443, also possibly some ipv6 connections
[02:07] <lunatiq> rfm it prints 15]
[02:07] <lunatiq> 3]2606
[03:48] <rfm> lunatiq, those square brackets sure look like it's pickiing up some ipv6 addresses; I think you're going to have to actually write a script instead of just pasting something you found online
[07:00] <cirrus3d> Hi guys, I have an Ubuntu 22.04 server running on a Hetzner machine, with HestiaCP on it. I cannot for the life of me install mailman. I have tried with venv (which gives me python errors). Is it better to set this up on a new machine e.g. on Debian which seems to have packages of mailman available? Any other easiest mailing list system?
[07:04] <cirrus3d> Hi guys, I have an Ubuntu 22.04 server running on a Hetzner machine, with HestiaCP (Exim4) on it. I cannot for the life of me install mailman. I have tried with venv (which gives me python errors). Is it better to set this up on a new machine e.g. on Debian which seems to have packages of mailman available? Any other easiest mailing list system?
[14:36] <lunatiq> is PHP 8.2 a PPA for 22.04 LTS?
[14:37] <lunatiq> rfm, I didn't find this online. Someone from another channel gave it to me.
[21:13] <znf> ah yes
[21:13] <znf> the experience of booting Ubuntu 22.04 over PXE
[21:13] <znf> https://i.imgur.com/Pe50ZVH.png
[21:17] <znf> Yup, the 22.04.3 ISO doesn't work via PXE
[21:17] <znf> 22.04.1 works
[21:31] <znf> the disk had some partition table https://i.imgur.com/uqSyK7J.png
[21:31] <znf> and now I can't format/wipe
[21:31] <znf> can't set as boot device
[21:33] <znf> *sigh*
[21:33] <znf> the disks were previously formatted as ext4 (no partition)
[21:33] <znf> and subiquity's partitioner is too dumb to know what to do with it
[21:33] <tomreyn> wipefs --all from shell or live system
[21:33] <znf> I had to wipefs -a on the disks so it would let me repartition
[21:34] <znf> there was *nothing* wrong with the Debian installer... why they had to implement this dumb thing, I'll never understand
[21:35] <patdk-lap> the name of progress!
[21:36] <znf> when you create a partition, you need to "leave as unformatted", else they won't appear in md creation
[21:36] <znf> why they couldn't leave a "use for md" or something, hell knows
[21:37] <znf> *sigh* every time I install a 22.04 box from the ISO it enrages me
[22:02] <znf> and for some reasons, after you install it, it won't set up itself as the default boot entry
[22:02] <znf> actually
[22:02] <znf> it didn't even create the efi entry
[22:02] <znf> dear god
[22:16] <znf> the RH installer from 2004 was more useful than this trash


[12:48] <michael__> hey mhz
[12:50] <mhz> re
[12:51] <michael__> re?
[12:52] <mhz> hey
[12:52] <michael__> :-p
[12:52] <michael__> jsut found out how ot amke abrowser using libmozilla
[12:52] <mhz> it is used to say "I know I said hi before so now I want to state I am back"
[12:52] <michael__> make*
[12:53] <michael__> o ok
[03:25] <konfuzed> any moodle users here
[05:14] <Yagisan> mhz, did you ever watch any iron chef ?
[05:15] <mhz> Yagisan: hi there
[05:15] <mhz> just the begining of the one I downloaded
[05:16] <mhz> I got to the presentation parts
[05:17] <Yagisan> mhz: which episode was it ?
[05:17] <mhz> Yagisan: would you check the iptables setting I am using?
[05:17] <Yagisan> mhz: sure
[05:17] <mhz> Yagisan: hmmmm, not remember at this particular moment
[05:18] <mhz> accept DCC?
[05:18] <Yagisan> mhz: yes
[05:19] <mhz> knocking on your door
[05:21] <Yagisan> mhz: well, I clicked ok - and am waiting for the transfer to begin
[05:21] <Yagisan> mhz: perhaps email ?
[05:22] <mhz> okis
[05:23] <mhz> Yagisan: is it down? http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi
[05:24] <Yagisan> mhz: no
[05:25] <Yagisan> mhz: but my upstream pipe has been getting hammered for 3 days now =-O
[05:26] <mhz> Yagisan: a happy email is at your door
[05:37] <Yagisan> mhz: want an easier solution ?
[05:39] <mhz> heheheh sure
[05:39] <Yagisan> mhz: arno's iptables firewall
[05:39] <Yagisan> mhz: I'll find you a link
[05:40] <mhz> oki
[05:40] <mhz> but is the file ok?
[05:40] <Yagisan> mhz: I run in on my box - customised a bit
[05:40] <mhz> but is the file I sent ok?
[05:41] <Yagisan> mhz: seems ok
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz: http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/iptables-firewall/arno-iptables-firewall-1.8.5-rc4.tgz
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz: there is a .deb here http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/iptables-firewall/arno-iptables-firewall_1.8.4d-1_all.deb
[05:45] <Yagisan> but I've never used it
[05:46] <Yagisan> actually - didn't know it existed until now
[05:46] <mhz> :)
[05:46] <mhz> okis, thx
[05:46] <mhz> I'll take a look
[05:47] <Yagisan> mhz: has an easy to adjust config file and works well
[05:47] <Yagisan> mhz: no gui though, so prepare for the cli
[05:47] <Yagisan> :)
[05:48] <mhz> lol
[05:58] <Yagisan> bye all - be back later
[06:02] <Travis_> has anyone considered making a server version of edubuntu? with like ldap, a student information system, samba domain controller etc.? for schools to use on their server?
[06:02] <Travis_> with really easy setup
[06:02] <mhz> yes, Travis_
[06:02] <Travis_> similar to novell stuff
[06:02] <mhz> it's been discussed
[06:02] <mhz> sometimes
[06:02] <Travis_> is there any work in progress?
[06:03] <mhz> not that I know of, but I do know it is in part a goal of SchoolTool
[06:03] <Travis_> I am considering network administration as a career and I hate how much it costs to deploy a network using novell etc.
[06:03] <mhz> me too
[06:03] <Travis_> I tried setting up my own server with ldap
[06:03] <Travis_> worked decent but I need to find a free student information system that would integreat well with LDAP
[06:04] <Travis_> I have tons of ideas just no way to pursue them
[06:05] <Travis_> schooltool looks kind of lacking
[06:05] <mhz> actually, I had a 'customer' who payed me to show him and demo diff Linux based alternatives to his current IT solutions. In the end, his boss refused to migrate because they only were saving U$55,000 a year. That was not big deal because they made that much in 2 days
[06:05] <Travis_> its just like a schedule
[06:05] <mhz> so no need to worry endusers
[06:06] <Travis_> yeah businesses that make tons of money I can understand paying
[06:06] <mhz> Travis_: SchoolTool has objectives for enrollement, students info, etc
[06:06] <mhz> however, e-groupware may be goodfor you
[06:06] <Travis_> but schools, I think the money should be used on hardware
[06:06] <mhz> yup
[06:07] <Travis_> does egroupware intergreat with samba?
[06:07] <Travis_> err
[06:07] <Travis_> ldap
[06:07] <mhz> yup
[06:07] <mhz> well, so does Evolution :)
[06:08] <mhz> very cool
[06:08] <mhz> all web
[06:08] <Travis_> by integrate I mean like create ldap users?
[06:08] <mhz> iirc, yes
[06:08] <Travis_> iirc?
[06:10] <Travis_> I'll try it out
[06:11] <mhz> if i remember correctly :)
[06:11] <mhz> sorry
[06:12] <Travis_> what is iirc?
[06:12] <mhz> if i remember correctly :)
[06:12] <mhz> Travis_: did you understand it?
[06:13] <Travis_> oh
[06:13] <Travis_> lol
[06:13] <Travis_> I feel dumb now
[06:13] <Travis_> I'll try school tool first
[06:14] <mhz> Travis_: SchoolTool is 'default' in Edubuntu
[06:14] <Travis_> sadly I don't have edubuntu
[06:14] <mhz> it is not 'mature' but it does have lot of potential
[06:14] <Travis_> isn't edubuntu a desktop OS?
[06:14] <Travis_> not server?
[06:14] <konfuzed> whats school tool
[06:14] <konfuzed> for
[06:15] <Travis_> looks like a student information grade booking schedule deal
[06:15] <Travis_> which is exactly what I am looking for
[06:15] <mhz> Edubuntu = 100% Ubuntu + special LTSP + edu-apps + some wallpapers
[06:15] <Travis_> wanna see if it integrates with ldap or anything
[06:15] <Travis_> honestly I have never liked linux for school desktop OS
[06:15] <mhz> Travis_: see? I told you :D
[06:16] <konfuzed> i also just read above a bit which says some about school tools
[06:16] <Travis_> http://www.schooltool.org
[06:16] <konfuzed> have you compared moodle ?
[06:16] <mhz> konfuzed: SchoolTool is a project, aimed to help on  student information grade booking schedule, etc
[06:16] <Travis_> it needs to add a lunch service
[06:17] <mhz> konfuzed: Moodle, Claroline and dotLRN are very good LMS
[06:17] <Travis_> I just wonder if it creates and ldap account or how it manges that stuff
[06:17] <mhz> Travis_: you can ask in #schooltool
[06:17] <Travis_> oh
[06:17] <konfuzed> hmm interesting
[06:18] <konfuzed> is schooltool using or based on egroupware?
[06:18] <mhz> konfuzed: sooner or later, SchoolTool will integrate with an LMS
[06:18] <konfuzed> hm
[06:18] <mhz> but for now, they have to continue with their roadmap ans see more about Moodle 1.6
[06:18] <mhz> konfuzed: nope
[06:18] <konfuzed> I setup moodle as a live performance venue and like it very much so would recommend it to real schools aswell
[06:19] <mhz> konfuzed: SL is made on Python and Zope
[06:19] <mhz> and uses ZODB
[06:19] <mhz> konfuzed: all the 3 LMS I mentioned are very very good. Each has its way into specifics
[06:19] <konfuzed> then around the same tim edecided to put ubuntu on systems if somebody gets one from me
[06:20] <mhz> but they all work very well
[06:20] <konfuzed> then discovered edubuntu and then last month I see moodle is a project on the edubuntu site
[06:21] <konfuzed> so it all wraps together rather nicely that way
[06:22] <mhz> yup
[06:22] <mhz> the idea is we endup with a lot to offer to Education and learning
[06:22] <mhz> EdubuntuStudyContent is just one of those many ideas
[06:23] <konfuzed> hm havenet seen that  ESC yet
[06:23] <mhz> it's a page in the wiki
[06:23] <mhz> we have done nothing about it
[06:23] <mhz> yet
[06:24] <mhz> because I have not had time to write about it and encourage people to join efforts for it
[06:25] <Travis_> what does moodle do?
[06:25] <Travis_> never tried it
[06:25] <mhz> it is a LMS
[06:25] <Travis_> Learning ________ System?
[06:25] <Travis_> or something?
[06:25] <mhz> Managing
[06:25] <Travis_> oh due
[06:25] <mhz> Management
[06:25] <Travis_> duh*
[06:25] <Travis_> like CMS
[06:26] <mhz> yup
[06:26] <mhz> or DMS
[06:26] <konfuzed> it does room bookings and student registration and paymnet with ecom
[06:26] <mhz> (i made last one out!)
[06:26] <mhz> :D
[06:26] <mhz> among other things
[06:27] <konfuzed> and has a grading system of some sort I suppose that is govt approved in many places called SCORM
[06:27] <mhz> well guys, time to hit the envelope (02:27 am)
[06:27] <mhz> and it has a wiki
[06:27] <mhz> among other things
[06:27] <konfuzed> sorry vibrate toll 3:33 over here
[06:27] <mhz> heheh
[06:27] <mhz> bye all
[06:31] <konfuzed> hey travis check out my first moodle site   http://OpenNetRadio.com
[06:31] <Travis_> k
[06:51] <Travis_> back so soon?
[06:52] <mhz> i forgot one thing :)
[04:23] <Yagisan> mhz: ping
[04:23] <mhz> Yagisan: wow!
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: yes I'm still up
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: how did the firewall turn out ?
[04:25] <mhz> Yagisan: eventhoug I give you that the script you suggested is aimed to make life easier, I still prefer to learn what to do by hand, and once I have a decent knowledge, then use the script :0)
[04:26] <Yagisan> mhz: I like to do things by hand too - but it is a good script. I've sent patches in for it in the past, part of why I suggested it to you.
[04:26] <Yagisan> mhz: do you run breezy ?
[04:27] <Yagisan> mhz: if so, I have a little favour to ask you
[04:27] <mhz> yup
[04:27] <mhz> shoot
[04:27] <Yagisan> mhz: are you familiar with my games repo ?
[04:28] <spacey> good afternoon
[04:28] <Yagisan> G'day spacey
[04:28] <Yagisan> mhz: I take your silence as a no
[04:28] <mhz> spacey: hi
[04:29] <mhz> Yagisan: hehe, nope.
[04:29] <Yagisan> mhz: I need some volunteers to test if I set my dedicated server up correctly
[04:29] <Yagisan> mhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/
[04:30] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm hoping that some ubuntu using volunteers could perhaps try joining my server
[04:30] <Yagisan> mhz: and tell me if I screwed it up or not
[04:35] <Yagisan> mhz: in a nutshell. install game. connect. try to shoot. If you can shoot :) if not :(
[04:36] <mhz> hehhe
[04:36] <mhz> ah, very simple
[04:36] <mhz> so I just install the thing adding repos to my sourcelist
[04:36] <mhz> and then try to play
[04:37] <mhz> that's it?
[04:37] <Yagisan> mhz: basically - yes
[04:37] <mhz> cool
[04:37] <mhz> played
[04:38] <mhz> just have patience because this is VERY new to me now
[04:38] <Yagisan> mhz: no worries
[04:39] <Yagisan> mhz: ubuntu has many nice games, this one can't go in yet because of license problems, but that is getting fixed, so maybe dapper + 1
[04:39] <Yagisan> mhz: but it's my baby
[04:40] <Yagisan> mhz: my only relaxation that works on a p2 233
[04:40] <mhz> wow! maybe it will work here too
[04:40] <mhz> Yagisan: you said that maybe rsync would keep the whole system synced
[04:40] <mhz> (providing I dont copy /proc)
[04:43] <Yagisan> mhz: possibly - I still don't remember the name of the two way rsync application :(
[04:44] <mhz> no problem
[04:44] <mhz> I have a good book that expalins many usage for rsync
[04:45] <Yagisan> mhz: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[04:46] <misiek> hi evryone, i would like to know the difference between ubuntu and edubuntu
[04:46] <Yagisan> mhz: that was the program I was trying to remember
[04:46] <Yagisan> misiek: edubuntu is ubuntu + ltsp + education utilities + nicer artwork
[04:46] <Yagisan> ;)
[04:47] <Yagisan> mhz: unison is in universe
[04:48] <misiek> thanks
[04:48] <Yagisan> misiek: you can change ubuntu to edubuntu by installing the edubuntu-desktop package
[04:49] <misiek> so basically edubuntu is slightly more then ubuntu but you can make ubuntu into edubuntu right?
[04:50] <Yagisan> misiek: yes
[04:50] <Yagisan> misiek: it is ubuntu + extras for education
[04:51] <Yagisan> misiek: like kubuntu is ubuntu + kde (slightly simplified, but you should get the point)
[04:51] <misiek> do you know about whether kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde?
[04:52] <Yagisan> misiek: look up ^^ :)
[04:56] <misiek> i know its a edubuntu channel, but i figured you would be informed....
[04:57] <Yagisan> misiek: I said it was basically ubuntu + kde
[04:57] <Yagisan> misiek: uses the kde version of the ubuntu applications
[04:57] <Yagisan> misiek: you must have looked too far up ;)
[04:58] <misiek> oh sorry i missed that in the mist of textual information =)
[04:58] <misiek> yeah
[04:59] <Yagisan> misiek: myself - I use a mix of apps from ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu
[04:59] <misiek> which apps would you suggest?
[05:00] <Yagisan> misiek: k3b is a good cd burning app, evolution is nice for email
[05:00] <Yagisan> misiek: both firefox and konquereor are good www browsers
[05:36] <misiek> maybe you could help me with a webcam problem - it freezes the system when testing in media selector
[05:37] <Yagisan> misiek: I can't sorry. two reasons. 1) I don't have a webcam, and 2) it's 3:40am I should be in bed or my wife will divorce me
[05:38] <Yagisan> night all
[06:36] <michael__> ye Guyz
[06:36] <michael__> guys
[06:36] <michael__> hey
[08:57] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[09:18] <lucasvo> juhu, I got the ubuntu.ch domain!!!!
[09:18] <lucasvo> juliux: ping!
[09:18] <juliux> lucasvo, pong
[09:18] <juliux> lucasvo, great
[09:18] <lucasvo> juliux: now, I would like to make an loco ch
[09:18] <juliux> lucasvo, hehe
[09:19] <lucasvo> get the domain ubuntuusers.ch
[09:19] <lucasvo> juliux: where do you host ubuntuusers.de?
[09:19] <juliux> lucasvo, on own servers in france
[09:19] <lucasvo> ok
[09:20] <juliux> lucasvo, but you can ask smurf to get some webspace, if there is a locoteam ch
[09:20] <juliux> lucasvo, smurf is the leader of the locoteams
[09:20] <lucasvo> ok
[09:23] <mpt> Don't be a eunuch, be an ubuntuch!
[09:35] <owner> lol mpt
[09:36] <owner> Linux 2.6.14-archck7 [i686/3.00GHz/SMP]
[09:46] <lucasvo> juliux: is there a way, how to send an email to all ubuntuusers.de user which live in CH?
[09:51] <juliux> lucasvo, hm i dont think that this is possible
[09:51] <juliux> lucasvo, open a thread
[09:51] <owner> ive never used edubuntu
[09:51] <owner> whats it like
[09:51] <owner> compared to regular ubuntu
[09:53] <lucasvo> owner: it has installed education apps and supports LTSP
[09:54] <owner> do any of you use it in schools
[09:54] <owner> or etc
[09:54] <lucasvo> not me
[09:54] <lucasvo> I use it at home


[05:25] <pavlushka> hola zaki
[07:05] <zaki> hi pavlushka
[07:05] <zaki> good noon
[07:05] <zaki> i was sleeping
[07:06] <pavlushka> np :)
[07:06] <pavlushka> zaki: and good after noon
[07:07] <pavlushka> zaki: there's no time in the clock you can call noon, only morning/afternoon ha ha ha
[07:08] <zaki> he he
[07:08] <zaki> don't know
[07:08] <pavlushka> zaki: and after dark, only evening/morning, no point called night, right, lol
[07:08] <zaki> ha ha
[07:09] <zaki> after dark
[07:10] <pavlushka> zaki: so actually there's three times in a day, morning/afternoon/evening and it goes recursive :p
[07:11] <pavlushka> but night is kinda ambigious, coz its dark, and dark things are ambigious, see?
[07:12] <pavlushka> zaki: so when we bade farewel after dark, we say good night, even if it is still just after dark.evening
[07:13] <pavlushka> s/.//
[07:13] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: zaki: so when we bade farewel after dark, we say good night, even if it is still just after darkevening
[07:13] <pavlushka> s/.///
[07:13] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: zaki: so when we bade farewel after dark, we say good night, even if it is still just after darkevening
[07:13] <zaki> lol
[07:13] <pavlushka> s/./"/"
[07:13] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: zaki: so when we bade farewel after dark, we say good night, even if it is still just after dark"evening
[07:14] <pavlushka> anyways
[07:14] <zaki> after dark, good night
[07:16] <pavlushka> zaki: and I know there's a game or movie named "after dark" :p
[17:08] <pavlushka> Good day Kilos :)
[17:13] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[17:13] <Kilos> :)
[17:13] <Kilos> your channel getting empty


[00:28] <hads> G: Thanks :)
[00:29] <hads> You guys reminded me I need to call Chorus and get them to come fix my footpath.
[00:29] <hads> G: bcc.telecomwholesale is the actual location of the iframe.
[00:36] <G> hads: yeah, I should just visit that I guess
[00:37]  * G still hasn't got round to doing his rewiring either, but I'm blaming the weather and my connection suddenly acting up for that
[00:38] <hads> I had VDSL installed before Christmas, haven't started using it yet though.
[00:39] <G> hads: you win ;)
[00:43] <hads> Sort of. Waiting on the provider to sort the International speed before I commit to keeping it.
[00:43] <hads> On the ADSL2+ line I can get 1.5MB/s from the US, on the VDSL2 line I can only get 500KB/s.
[00:48] <G> hads: eeek, that isn't good
[00:50] <G> hads: hey quick question, do you happen to know the Telepermit # for the Draytek DV120? (if you've got to hunt round it's okay, just curious if you know/have it handy)
[00:51] <hads> Not off the top of my head sorry, I can find out if you need though.
[00:51] <ojwb> hads: btw, did you sort out pricing for those temperature sensors you mentioned a while ago?
[00:51] <hads> ojwb: Hmm sorry, what ones were they again?
[00:52] <hads> https://nicegear.co.nz/sensors/freetronics-temperature-sensor-module/
[00:52] <ojwb> http://www.freetronics.com/products/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-module and http://www.freetronics.com/products/temperature-sensor-module I think
[00:52] <ojwb> ah yes, seems you have
[00:52] <hads> https://nicegear.co.nz/sensors/freetronics-humidity-and-temperature-sensor-module/
[00:52] <G> hads: nah it's okay, someone set off a discussion about ADSL modems & Telepermits in another channel, and i realised I couldn't see the DV120 in the list
[00:52] <hads> Yes, sorry for not getting back to you.
[00:54] <ojwb> that ok
[00:54] <ojwb> that's ok too
[00:59] <G> hads: actually, if you do have a moment sometime I would be interested, because yeah, I found the listing for the 272 Telepermits and don't see the 120 listed there either (I was looking at 273 before)
[18:46] <chilts> morning
[18:47]  * chilts will beat ibeardslee this week (except Friday)
[19:44] <Atamira> morning
[20:17] <hads> morning
[20:30] <ojwb> morning
[20:55] <ajmitch> morning
[21:15] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:03] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: ready for your talk? :)
[22:04] <ibeardslee> mostly
[22:05] <ojwb> oh, are most people at lca this week?
[22:06] <ajmitch> there might be a couple of us at LCA


[04:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:54] <ducasse> good morning
[08:11] <TJ->  After 2 days of headaches I've finally discovered Intel is hostile to operating WiFi APs especially in 5GHz mode
[08:18] <ducasse> hiya TJ-
[08:18]  * TJ- waves
[08:20] <ducasse> looking into getting a new laptop for ubuntu, what are you guys using?
[08:20] <TJ-> I've been trying to set up an AP on a PC Engines APU2 for 2 weeks now. Having done research, chose an Atheros device. Turns out ath10k and the core ath driver conspire with the device firmware to prevent access to the correct frequencies and operating parameters for most countries (specifically GB here) by forcing the minimal 'worldwide' regulatory domain which prevents initiating Tx (NO-IR
[08:20] <TJ-> flag)
[08:21] <TJ-> After applying various hacks to ath from openwrt and my own devising although ath now accepts and reports the correct country-code via 'iw reg get' it still lists only the minimal actual frequencies/operating modes with 'iw list' and is still NO-IR.
[08:22] <ducasse> wow
[08:22] <ducasse> is there a reasoning for this?
[08:24] <TJ-> So, thought I'd get an Intel device since they're also open source, and bought an AX200 (802.11ax) device. That turns out to declare itself "self-managed" and can't be set using the kernel regulatory functions at all, and it does active detection (LAR - Location Aware Regulatory) which implies ti cannot do master/AP since it needs to receive beacons from other APs that are correctly sending
[08:24] <TJ-> IE Country frames
[08:24] <TJ-> up until kernel v5.5 iwlwifi had a module parameter lar_disable where you could override that and use the kernel setting ut it was removed "because user's shouldn't be setting it" !
[08:25] <TJ-> so now I have 2 supposedly open-source devices that actively prevent my operating correctly in my region as an AP
[08:25] <TJ-> ducasse: laptop: Lenovo E495 AMD Ryzen 7 based
[08:27] <ducasse> great, thanks
[08:27] <TJ-> I bought 6 of these in early 2020 just before  CoViD caused prices to go up; UK £550 each
[09:35] <tomreyn> ducasse: latest amd cpu (and graphics) generation with my preferences (this is mostly for the german market, yours may differ) https://geizhals.eu/?cat=nb&v=k&sort=p&bl1_id=30&xf=11120_2~12_8192~13697_300~15313_beleuchtet~18398_1~18749_802.11ax~525_Lenovo~6763_Ryzen+5000~8149_zzw~83_IPS
[09:36] <ducasse> thanks, tomreyn
[09:37] <tomreyn> i didn't spot an option to choose between plastic / aluminium case there, though.
[09:37] <tomreyn> and watch out about ram: some are non-extendable
[09:38] <tomreyn> (and non-replacable, soldered-on)
[09:39] <TJ-> The E495s we upgraded from 8GiB to 32GiB without any problems - 4 minute job
[10:04] <ducasse> i'd just go for 32gb to begin with, i think
[10:05] <ducasse> that way i won't need a new desktop
[10:07] <TJ-> We did it that way because it was /much/ cheaper than buying the 32GIB preinstalled
[10:08] <ducasse> yeah, i can imagine


[19:06]  * kees looks around
[19:06] <mdeslaur> hi kees
[19:08] <kees> hiya
[19:08] <kees> no meeting?
[19:10] <mdeslaur> slangasek and infinity are at a sprint
[19:10] <slangasek> yes, though I'm here for 20 more minutes
[19:10] <slangasek> which is better than I realized
[22:37] <Breder> !ops