[19:59] <K1rk> th0r, I'm still no expert... I just know UEFI is a pain in my side.
[19:59] <Ahmedo> the documents isin ubuntu archives the code is from launchpad
[19:59] <Kitt3n> My computer is a pain in my side. GPT partitions and the only UEFI option I have is a built-in shell
[19:59] <th0r> K1rk: I have read disparaging threads about it, but never dug into it at all until kristenbb brought the issue up the other day.
[19:59] <kristenbb> K1rk: well that's my point i'm not sure I remember :)
[19:59] <betrayd> Shayguy ctrl-A selects all?
[20:01] <ShayGuy> betrayd: Um... you do understand what the problem is, right? The session's frozen, like I said in the link. I can't even *access* the text editor.
[20:02] <betrayd> there is a scratch file for t ailed edit sessions, can you locate it
[20:02] <betrayd> ifailed*
[20:03] <betrayd> or you sound like you've given up
[20:04] <elky> how do i make rhythmbox make a playlist with all my musics, or, how can i make it export me a list of all my musics?
[20:04] <sw0rdfish> hi
[20:04] <elky> it seems to not do things that its menus have :-/
[20:05] <estudiante> auto
[20:06] <ShayGuy> betrayd: Scratch file?
[20:07] <betrayd> Shayguy yeah there could be one, vi has .filename.swp and offers recovery
[20:07] <betrayd> Shayguy  its like your workplace until you hit save
[20:11] <ShayGuy> betrayd: I don't know anything about where gedit would keep that, or how to access it if it's not saved to a normal file. Unless you're talking about the version with a tilde at the end, and that's no good.
[20:13] <SteveBell> hi all, I'm running into big problems with my ubuntu install.
[20:13] <SteveBell> so I'd like to reinstall.
[20:14] <SteveBell> but how do I create a bootable USB drive for a machine with broken ubuntu on a OS X machine?
[20:14] <Ahmedo> am doing every per instuction in ubuntu and grub homepage , still the grubs get currupted
[20:14] <Jerry> hello
[20:14] <Jerry> xchat iz the best
[20:14] <Jerry> what do we chat about here?
[20:14] <SteveBell> I found unetbootin but that produces an usb stick which does not boot correctly in the netbook on which I want to install ubuntu
[20:15] <Jerry> all my exes live in texas
[20:15] <k1l> !offtopic | Jerry
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> Ahmedo, This ppa installs the full burg package including themes up to raring. https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/burg
[20:16] <echoe> does anyone know any linux anything with undervolting?
[20:16] <echoe> blah.
[20:16] <catcher> Ubuntu is suddenly prompting me for my ssh passphrase (id_dsa).  It's normally stored by the OS, not sure what the program is called. Any ideas why it's not happening suddenly?
[20:17] <Ziber> So, I've been having strange audio audio issues with skype and google hangout. Good ways to troubleshoot?
[20:17] <betrayd> Shayguy what about with a tilde prefix....
[20:17] <SteveBell> no one knows?
[20:18] <echoe> SteveBell, is unetbootin available for mac?
[20:18] <echoe> ... doesn't boot correctly on netbook. what error does it give?
[20:18] <SteveBell> yes. but the usb is not working on the netbook after that
[20:18] <ubuntu> sanjay
[20:18] <SteveBell> well unetbootin says the stick will only boot on a mac
[20:19] <ShayGuy> betrayd: A tilde *prefix*? "ls -a | grep filename" only returns filename.txt and filename.txt~.
[20:19] <SteveBell> so maybe that#s the problem?
[20:19]  * echoe blinks. steve, that shouldn't be an issue
[20:19] <tables> my ubuntu all of a sudden stopped booting and goes to BusyBox with a terminal saying (initramfs)
[20:19] <tables> anyone know how to fix this?
[20:20] <Ahmedo> whilee-nilee still grub crashs
[20:20] <echoe> you can always try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[20:20] <SteveBell> I put it in the netbook. start. F12, select the usb stick to boot from, then I land on the broken current ubuntu installation (which no longer boots for me due to nomodeset.
[20:20] <SteveBell> so that should work on non os x machines afterwards?
[20:21] <SteveBell> echoe is that's the case then I'll give that a try
[20:21] <echoe> the unetbootin one should too, not sure why it isn't, apparently the netbook isn't atching the USB stick. you may want to try using a different port too, lol. hacky but it can work
[20:22] <SteveBell> I used the recommended tool for windows and that worked.
[20:22] <betrayd> Shayguy if you had left autosave as is,  GEDIT by default has an option enabled which creates a backup file (with the prefix ~ for the backup file)...
[20:22] <SteveBell> and after installing successful I'm now stuck with the nomodeset issue after doing some updates
[20:23] <ShayGuy> betrayd: Well, there's nothing of the sort in the directory where the regular file is saved.
[20:24] <Ziber> On ubuntu 12.10, sometimes other people can't hear my audio, other times i can't hear there's. google hangout usually works, but often disconnects after a few minutes. Thoughts? I really need video chatting.
[20:24] <Ahmedo> whilee-nilee still grub crashs
[20:24] <betrayd> Shayguyf ~<tab-complete> won't do anything then thats it I'm afraid
[20:25] <betrayd> Shayguy if* ^
[20:26] <josetacos> i can't install ubuntu spent the whole night trying. After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, the installation hangs
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> Ahmedo, What do you mean by grub crashing?
[20:27] <SonikkuAmerica> josetacos: Desktop CD?
[20:27] <Fieldy> how do i configure which services start at boot? someone told me to use "bum" and i deselected dnsmasq, rebooted, but it still starts. then i did an apt-get remove dnsmasq, rebooted, and it still starts (??). call me confused.
[20:27] <SonikkuAmerica> josetacos: s/CD/image
[20:28] <josetacos> live desktop usb
[20:28] <SonikkuAmerica> josetacos: Try the !alternate image instead.
[20:28] <bazhang> SonikkuAmerica, the alternate is gone, you realize
[20:28] <josetacos> what do you mean by alternate
[20:29] <josetacos> i think this is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080701
[20:29] <DJones> !alternate | josetacos You would have to use the minimal install cd now rather than alternate,
[20:30] <DJones> !minimal
[20:31] <seronis> i know how to use  add-apt-repository  to enable PPAs, but how to i set up a LOCAL directory as a repo ?
[20:31] <josetacos> i have tried sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get install ubiquity
[20:31] <seronis> in case i want to tweak packages and let my local copy work automatically
[20:32] <sacredchao> I am trying to use Nvidia driver 319 in Optimus mode on my Thinkpad T420s, but I can't get the DisplayPort to output anything!  Bumblebee is working great
[20:32] <sacredchao> The DP1 is ahrdwired to the Nvidia card, but it's not showing up
[20:34] <seronis> nevermind..  had been searching but finally found what i needed.   http://linuxwave.blogspot.com/2009/04/adding-local-directory-to-apt.html
[20:39] <josetacos> got the mini installer running thanks
[20:43] <tables> my ubuntu all of a sudden stopped booting and goes to BusyBox with a terminal saying (initramfs)
[20:43] <tables> my ubuntu all of a sudden stopped booting and goes to BusyBox with a terminal saying (initramfs)
[20:43] <tables> anyone know how to fix this?
[20:43] <FloodBot1> tables: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:43] <tables> sry for double post
[20:43] <lmat> tables: Do you get a prompt?
[20:44] <tables> yea it says (initramfs)
[20:44] <lmat> tables: And you can run "ls", etc.?
[20:44] <erols> hi, my ubuntu server 12.04 stucks at fsck on my /dev/sda3 drive, after a reboot command. Any idea how I can skip that?
[20:44] <lmat> erols: modify /etc/fstab and remove that device?
[20:45] <lmat> erols: Or you're just wanting to skip fsck on that device?
[20:45] <lmat> erols: (my suggestion will make that device not mount).
[20:45] <erols> actually it's running atm on 60/1204 things
[20:46] <erols> sorry, it's /dev/sda3: clean 60/3055616 files
[20:46] <alexbligh> Anyone know how to persuade debootstrap to use precise-updates to install from, rather than precise?
[20:47] <erols> only stuck there and cannot boot the systems
[20:47] <tables> lmat yes, but it looks limited
[20:47] <erols> if I press on ctrl c
[20:47] <erols> it reboot
[20:47] <erols> and the same things goes again.
[20:47] <lmat> tables: So perhaps this is the grub command line?
[20:48] <sammy> booting my lappy up recently, I've noticed brightness controls weren't working, and my console font size was changed back to default. booting this morning, my brightness controls are back, but my console font size is still making an 80x24 terminal on tty1. what could have happened?
[20:48] <sammy> s/I've/I/
[20:48] <lmat> sammy: Did you run grub-mkconfig recently?
[20:49] <lmat> tables: So it doesn't say "grub>" ?
[20:49] <sammy> lmat: I believe the kernel may have updated, but I haven't made any changes to /etc/default/grub in forever
[20:49] <lmat> sammy: neato!
[20:50] <sammy> lmat: are you saying grub-mkconfig may have goofed my video mode or some such at some point? does that run when kernels are updated? (the grub-mkconfig you spoke of)
[20:51] <sammy> I just ran dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and Im about to reboot and see if manually selecting the smallest Terminus font fixed things
[20:51] <erols> seems like nobody experienced the problem with btrfs in 12.04
[20:51] <lmat> sammy: I think so...
[20:51] <tables> lmat, no it doesn't say grub
[20:51] <lmat> sammy: ubuntu does something different with the console and I don't know how it works.
[20:52] <sammy> lmat: Ill see what happens after a reboot (since I was playing with conosle-setup lastnight when brightness was borked) and see if that did it. if not i'll investigate /etc/default/grub and poke around askubuntu. ill let you know if I find out what 'something different' ubuntu does ;)
[20:52] <lmat> sammy: What you're getting I think is the default behaviour. Ubuntu automatically makes the frame buffer fit the screen and I don't think it's through grub configuration.
[20:53] <lmat> sammy: I remember that I installed Arch Linux and worked for a while to get the frame buffer to take up the whole screen, but when I installed Ubuntu, it Just Worked.
[20:53] <lmat> sammy: Which sounds nice...except it's terribly annoying
[20:53] <sammy> lmat: that sounds like what happened, it seems to have reverted to default. xdiagnose has some options (I think it adds to the kernel cmdline in grub) that disable the initial fb device for the bootspalsh
[20:53] <sammy> yeah everything was JustWorking yesterday. I combed /var/log/apt/history.log* but couldn't find anything that might have messed with the fb or anything like that recently
[20:54] <sleewok> hey everyone
[20:54] <lmat> How do I see what video card I have installed?
[20:54] <lmat> I ran lspci -v | grep -C 5 VGA
[20:54] <sammy> just try lspci
[20:54] <bekks> lmat: lspci|grep -i VGA
[20:54] <lmat> And it says "VGA compatible controller: ... AMD nee ATI Device 682d (prog-if
[20:54] <sammy> you should be able to pick it out of the list
[20:54] <lmat> 00 [VGA controller])
[20:54] <lmat> Talk about vague!
[20:54] <sleewok> I'm trying to install a package and i specified the wrong config during the initiall apt-get install. Now when I attempt to re-install with apt-get it skips the question. How can i clear this?
[20:55] <lmat> sleewok: probably apt-get purge package
[20:55] <sleewok> already tried that
[20:55] <sammy> the grep is pulling out any additional information. try lspci -v and use shift-pgup to find the VGA device
[20:55] <lmat> sleewok: To get rid of the application *and* configuration.
[20:55] <sammy> the second line after the line you're grepping may have a specific product name
[20:55] <sammy> erm actually the line after, excuse me
[20:55] <lmat> sammy: That's why I gave -C 5
[20:55] <sleewok> lmat, yeah,it doesn't work...it will still ask me some of the questions, but not the one that breaks it
[20:56] <yeats> sleewok: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure <package>' may work?
[20:56] <sleewok> yeats, i'll try that
[20:56] <lmat> sammy: The line after is Subsystem: Dell Device 053e
[20:56] <lmat> sammy: And the line after that:  Flags: bus master, fast dev...
[20:56] <VictorCL> hi
[20:57] <VictorCL> I need to decompress a bunch of .gz files and its files in subdirectories . how can I do this with a command?
[20:57] <sammy> yeah I'm. i need to eat, sorry. low blood sugar :P if it says 682d its probably identifying it by chipset. youd have to google to see what actual marketed product name you have
[20:57] <lmat> sammy: okilie dokilie!!
[20:57] <lmat> sammy: http://openbenchmarking.org/s/AMD%20ATI%20Device%20682d
[20:58] <lmat> sam113101: Looks like openbenchmarking agrees with you, but doesn't give a product name :(
[20:58] <sleewok> yeats, It tells me that the package is broken or not fully installed. i'm wondering if the apt install config is broken or something
[20:58] <elisa87> how can I know what is causing error in my C program after make? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695041/
[20:58] <lmat> (Of course, really what I want is proper drivers for the thing...)
[20:58] <lmat> elisa87: dude, wrong channel.   Weird how it's just a bit bigger than a CD
[21:02] <Micha|iPhone> What's the "downloading language packs" stage of the installer on 12.04?
[21:02] <lmat> sammy, I need you!!
[21:03] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: its downloading the language packages for the language you selected for your system, since not all language packs are included in the DVD itself
[21:03] <Micha|iPhone> tyrog: Pretty sure I wasn't asked a language, except for the keyboard (en-us)
[21:03] <sleewok> yeats, I think it's going to be easier for me to just re-install the OS (and then just set the correct value the first time). I appreciate the attempt to help though.
[21:03] <Micha|iPhone> Also, it said it was downloading libreoffice
[21:04] <lmat> sleewok: don't neglect the VM.
[21:04] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: What media are you using? Ubuntu 12.04.2 liveCD from the website?
[21:04] <sleewok> :)
[21:04] <yeats> sleewok: okay sure
[21:04] <lmat> sleewok: If you need to practice something or run down a bug like that, a vm is really easy to get going :)
[21:04] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: the language is asked in the first step of the installer
[21:04] <lmat> sleewok: and cheap :) And it doesn't wreck your computer.
[21:04] <Micha|iPhone> tyrog: The 12.04.2 amd64 desktop iso from bittorrent off a liveusb
[21:04] <sleewok> lmat, I've got it running in a vm, i'll just revert to before i broke it
[21:04] <zeest> How do you make all the files in a directory and its subdirectories executable?
[21:04] <Micha|iPhone> tyrog: Oh, right
[21:05] <lmat> sleewok: perfect! :o
[21:05] <sleewok> lmat, for some reason didn't think of that, so thanks for the reminder :)
[21:05] <Micha|iPhone> tyrog: Anyway, I selected English
[21:05] <Micha|iPhone> And, it was downloading libreoffice-something
[21:05] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-long-term-support see the first screenshot on this page, that is the point where you select the language
[21:05] <yeats> sleewok: still good to learn how to fix dpkg/apt errors if you're serious about self-administration IMHO, but I understand doing what's easiest ;-)
[21:06] <Micha|iPhone> Yeah, I remember that
[21:06] <sleewok> yeats, yeah, If i only had the time
[21:06] <Micha|iPhone> Why was it downloading libreoffice-something and calling it a language pack, thoigh?
[21:06] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: Then you selected the checkbox "Download updates while installing", so it is fetching the remaining language packs from the mirrors, as long as you are connected to the Internet during install
[21:07] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: because libreoffice needs language packs too :)
[21:07] <Micha|iPhone> "remaining" == for every other langiage besides English?
[21:07] <luisjaime_> Good day for all:  somebody know, how patching lyx?
[21:07] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: no, it only downloads packages for the language YOU selected
[21:08] <Micha|iPhone> Er, English langpacks aren't in the iso?
[21:08] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: I think not everything is in the ISO. But why are you so upset about this?
[21:08] <elisa87> what should I do? touch: missing file operand
[21:09] <bekks> elisa87: When doing what?
[21:09] <Micha|iPhone> What are the implications of clicking Skip at that step?
[21:09] <frozenlock> I have a java program running at startup. If I run it by hand, there's no problem. However, when running at startup, it seems it can't fetch data from the net (via https). I've made sure to run it using Network Manager (so that the interface is available), but it still fails. Is there fundamentally different from running a program with the script or by hand?
[21:09] <elisa87> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695079/
[21:09] <lmat> elisa87: Specify a file that exists? :)
[21:09] <tyrog> Micha|iPhone: The language packs don't get downloaded and installed. You can do that after the installation completes at any time though
[21:10] <bekks> elisa87: Change the last line to "touch ${USER_NAME}_file" without the ""
[21:10] <mtgsjr> Hi! Anybody Brazilian Here? PVT-ME
[21:11] <lmat> elisa87: When you run your script, does line 5 show what you expect?
[21:11] <lmat> elisa87: Try    touch "$USER_NAME"_file   or something cool like that.
[21:11] <lmat> elisa87: Bash is looking for a variable called "USER_NAME_file".
[21:11] <lmat> elisa87: But you read into $USER_NAME.
[21:12] <seronis> when i use  'gksudo gedit /path/to/file.txt'  why does an 'untitled document' get created along with opening the file i really wanted to edit ?
[21:12] <seronis> and can i prevent this pointless behavior ?
[21:12] <bekks> lmat: "Change the last line to "touch ${USER_NAME}_file" without the """ :)
[21:12] <lmat> bekks: What is ${} ?
[21:12] <elisa87> lmat thanks so much I changed last line to "touch "$USER_NAME"_file" and it's working
[21:13] <elisa87> so touch basically creates a file? lmat
[21:13] <seronis> man touch
[21:13] <seronis> it will update the timestamps on a file that exists.. or create a file if none exists
[21:13] <lmat> elisa87: man touch :)
[21:13] <bekks> lmat: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/parameter-substitution.html
[21:13] <lmat> seronis: by switching to vim ^_^
[21:13]  * seronis bonks lmat
[21:13] <seronis> i'll use nano first, thank you very much =-)
[21:14] <lmat> bekks: Thanks thanks!
[21:14] <wentknweqt> hey guys, i am on 12.04 with dm-crypt and i am dual booting with win2012 with truecrypt and i want to upgrade to 13.04.. is there a way for me to do a full update on a single restart and be able to back up the partition boot record and have GRUB not write itself to the MBR? i need to preserve my boot record and have the partition boot record in a file
[21:14] <lmat> seronis: For what it's worth, I can't reproduce. I tried "gedit thisfile" and gedit only opened one file (which I specified). I exited without saving and no new files are found.
[21:15] <lmat> seronis: Do you think it's particular to sudo or gksudo?
[21:15] <aseguro> Hey guys, a newby here
[21:15] <seronis> lmat:   sources.list   so required in this case
[21:16] <sammy> lmat: so, I think xdiagnose set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=None while I was playing with it the other day, and when I unchecked the box, it didn't remove it from /etc/default/grub. commenting out the line and rebooting gave me my ridiculously small console font back!
[21:16] <lmat> seronis: Hey! There's an untitled document and it has a spinning thing, too!
[21:16] <Odd> Good evening.
[21:16] <sammy> (and possibly the bootsplash, I was afk)
[21:16] <aseguro> trying to create a local repo from an ubuntu iso, not http, is there any option in apt-mitrror I'm missing?
[21:16] <seronis> yup =-)
[21:16] <lmat> sammy: Ahh...that payload_linux thing needs to be "KEEP" :)
[21:16] <sammy> lmat: is that default? commenting it out seems to have done the trick
[21:16] <lmat> sammy: Oh yeah, you can fix my problem now... I think I have an AMD Firefox m4000, how do I verify?
[21:17] <lmat> sammy: Again, some Ubuntu magic going on here.
[21:17] <sammy> lmat: haha, I see. no problem, Ill check to see if xdiagnose needs a bug filed later. as far as how to verify, Id check wikipedia
[21:17] <lmat> sammy: In arch, I had to specify "KEEP" (and the proper screen resolution or VGA mode), but in Ubuntu, don't touch.
[21:17] <sammy> lmat: they have a pretty extensive database of chipsets and video cards
[21:18] <lmat> sammy: (is that in answer to my question?)
[21:18] <sammy> you could even use google: `site:wikipedia.org [chipset]` or `site:wikipedia.org "Firefox m4000"`
[21:18] <lmat> sammy: How do I decide what video card I have :( You said lookup the chipset. I have been and I have three options: AMD Firepro (1 GB), NVidia Quadro k1000m (2gb) and NVidia quadro K2000M (2 GB).
[21:19] <bekks> lmat: Pastebin "lspci" please.
[21:19] <lmat> sammy: I'm pretty sure I have the 1GB model (because my company bought it)
[21:19] <lmat> bekks: OKAY! :)
[21:19] <lmat> bekks: you want -v ?
[21:19] <bekks> lmat: No.
[21:19] <seronis> lmat: if you use sudo instead of gksudo it uses the logged in users profile so you get a warning complaining about it.  but you dont get a random untitled doc.  if you use gksudo it uses the root profile so no complaints, but random file
[21:19] <ceed^> After some updates today the fan on my laptop isn't running at all. What could be wrong?
[21:19] <lmat> seronis: I see.
[21:20] <lmat> (thank goodness for tmux)
[21:20] <lmat> http://pastie.org/7950092
[21:20] <lmat> bekks: ^
[21:20] <seronis> im just trying to understand 'why'.  Then again I dont understand the potential 'Bad Things(tm)' that can happen if only sudo is used
[21:21] <lmat> sammy: When I use sudo, I get no warning.
[21:21] <lmat> sammy: Moreover, when I use sudo vim, I get no warning, and no window pop-ups...
[21:21] <lmat> sammy: sorry... wrong guy
[21:21] <lmat> seronis: ^
[21:21] <seronis> =-)
[21:22] <bekks> lmat: Its a AMD FirePro M4000
[21:22] <lmat> bekks: You are an oracle! I now know
[21:23] <lmat> bekks: Can you share your oracleness?
[21:23] <bekks> lmat: I just looked that the device id "682d" and put it into the search field when visiting http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids
[21:24] <lmat> bekks: ahh, I see. Thanks :D
[21:24] <sammy> bekks: that's a magic website, danke! *bookmarks
[21:24] <lmat> bekks: So that means I'm SOL for a good graphics driver?
[21:24] <dk0r> Any ideas why ssh immediately logs me off?? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5639504
[21:24]  * lmat links, too
[21:24] <auronandace> lmat: no need for that acronym
[21:25] <lmat> auronandace: You have the driver!?
[21:25] <sammy> lmat: welcome to linux ;) I'm having to use an unsupported, legacy AMD driver for a lappy less than 2 years old.
[21:25] <lmat> sammy: Seems that I should be on a team of folks trying to create a better driveR/
[21:25] <sammy> then again 3d support in the FOSS driver is pretty good, actually. I'm impressed. way better than a few years ago
[21:26] <lmat> sammy: I don't get any 3d support as far As I know.
[21:26] <sammy> lmat: good luck! though if you get into driver coding, you can make mad cash in the embedded world these days (custom builds for phones, tablets etc)
[21:26] <tyrog> sammy: The FOSS driver is a very good alternative today, for the cards that were dropped by AMD
[21:26] <sammy> tyrog: its true! I went with the fglrx-legacy ppa version at first, but the FOSS driver is really impressive in TF2
[21:26] <lmat> /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p  shows that I am using Software rendering :(
[21:27] <tyrog> sammy: By the way, which one was better? opensource or fglrx legacy from the PPA?
[21:28] <sammy> tyrog: I think they were better for different things, honestly. I haven't actually tried the legacy ppa driver with anything GL (like TF2)
[21:28] <lmat> sammy: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p  shows that I am using Software rendering :(
[21:28] <lmat> sammy: I know! I need to install the driver using Wine!!
[21:28] <sammy> tyrog: though it seemed okay in a composited desktop, no lag or artifacts etc
[21:28] <tyrog> lmat: what?
[21:29] <sammy> in fact now I'm curous to see the difference. if you're still around in ... however long it takes me to switch back to fglrx-legacy and fire up TF2, Ill let you know :D
[21:29] <lmat> tyrog: Do you know what wine is?
[21:29] <tyrog> lmat: I tell you, no you don't need to do that at all
[21:29] <lmat> wait a minute... http://bit.ly/13N8RUC fourth result says that Ubuntu 12.04 is supported!
[21:30] <sammy> Im supposed to be building paranoidandroid (with a custom kernel that adds tv tuner support) for my nexus 7 so I can play around with video4linux on an android device. ...and dishes. really I'm supposed to be doing dishes. bbiab
[21:31] <IraDivina> hi
[21:32] <iorweth> Hi
[21:32] <IraDivina> sup?
[21:32] <lmat> sammy: whoa, there it is  http://support.amb.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[21:32] <lmat> yay! Virus!!
[21:32] <IraDivina> someone know how to fix widgets with qt designer?
[21:32] <lmat> IraDivina: You can only fix it if it's broken.
[21:33] <IraDivina> no wait
[21:33] <lmat> IraDivina: waiting.
[21:33] <lmat> IraDivina: just for you.
[21:33] <IraDivina> i mean when i add a button, for example and i wan to resize the window i want that button follow my resize
[21:34] <dk0r> Any ideas why ssh immediately logs me off?? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5639556
[21:35] <micha|webirc> I'm having trouble installing Wine. 12.04.2, fresh install. After `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa` and `sudo apt-get update`, `sudo apt-get install wine1.4` does this: http://pastebin.com/HRnyf28s
[21:35] <lmat> dk0r: This is probably a server-side configuration
[21:35] <dk0r> lmat: I cannot access the server except through ssh.
[21:35] <lmat> dk0r: Make sure you have a remote shell assigned, etc.
[21:35] <IraDivina> lmat, do you know how to do it?
[21:35] <lmat> dk0r: eek Has it ever worked?
[21:35] <lmat> IraDivina: um...yes.
[21:35] <lmat> IraDivina: You need to use a layout.
[21:35] <dk0r> lmat: yes, an hour ago
[21:36] <lmat> IraDivina: I mean... you could override the layout logic, but the "right" way to do it would be to add a GridViewLayout
[21:36] <lmat> IraDivina: Wait, this is the wrong channel for that type of inquiry!
[21:36] <lmat> IraDivina: this->setLayout I think...
[21:36] <IraDivina> lmat, thanks, I will try
[21:36] <IraDivina> if it work i think i will fall in love with you
[21:37] <lmat> sammy: the script that amd gave me to install the driver is 405,258 lines long :-|
[21:38] <IraDivina> lmat, omg it works!!
[21:38] <lmat> oh wait, there's a bunch of binary stuff at line 441
[21:38] <lmat> IraDivina: wow, you're fast.
[21:39] <lmat> IraDivina: I've never actually done it, only read ^_^
[21:39] <IraDivina> lol
[21:39] <lmat> IraDivina: I've tried to make a gui but I keep getting segfault...glad it worked for you!
[21:39] <lmat> IraDivina: Did you use a designer?
[21:39] <IraDivina> nice one, man/girl
[21:39] <IraDivina> lmat, i use qt designer
[21:40] <lmat> IraDivina: but do you use the code editor (did you type "new QGridLayout(parent)") or the GUI designer?
[21:40] <minetape> hello, my mom was on the computer running norton on winblows yesterday, and it seems that the option to boot ubuntu from grub is gone. can m data still be recovered?
[21:40] <minetape> my*
[21:41] <IraDivina> lmat, no, simply with the right button on the mouse, i click it on the vertical layout and set it
[21:41] <lmat> minetape: of course :)
[21:41] <minetape> how?
[21:41] <lmat> IraDivina: Ah, that's why you're so fast :)
[21:41] <lmat> minetape: um...lots of ways :)
[21:41] <lmat> minetape: I assume you had a partition for Linux?
[21:41] <minetape> describe one please
[21:41] <lmat> minetape: Copy all contents of that partition to a new drive... or something..
[21:41] <IraDivina> i love fast things
[21:42] <minetape> umm, im not sure
[21:42] <minetape> i just used wubi
[21:42] <lmat> minetape: yeah, I'm sure you had a partition.
[21:42] <minetape> yeah how would i view that partition?
[21:42] <lmat> minetape: I'm glad you're enthusiastic about Linux, and I detect that you're young. An excellent time to learn about partitions and the magic of OSes :)
[21:42] <lmat> minetape: When you get around to it, be sure to install arch linux?
[21:42] <minetape> i <3 linux
[21:42] <minetape> my mom doesnt want me doing that stuff
[21:43] <minetape> i just want to revocer the ability to get back into ubuntu
[21:43] <minetape> i lost my liveboot flash drives
[21:43] <lmat> minetape: You need to get your own computer.
[21:43] <lmat> minetape: I guess a flash drive would work...
[21:44] <k1l> minetape: just boot up a live cd or a live-usb, it should find the data
[21:44] <minetape> yeah, i could try to make one
[21:44] <lmat> minetape: You probably won't recover the ability to get back into ubuntu...but you can get your data, reinstall ubuntu, then make sure the data are there.
[21:44] <k1l> lmat: that is not really helping him now :/
[21:44] <minetape> she doesnt <3 linux
[21:44] <lmat> minetape: But if your mom doesn't want you to look at partitions, she certainly won't want you installing ubuntu!
[21:44] <lmat> minetape: oh, k1l is perfectly correct!
[21:44] <lmat> minetape: use k1l 's suggestion!
[21:45] <lmat> okay, gotta go.
[21:45] <minetape> thanks, i will use YUMI, since i have a couple of isos on hand
[21:45] <minetape> thanks for the help, cya
[21:45] <lmat> k1l: excellent suggestion. I so often miss the obvious :(
[21:45] <lmat> ttyl!
[21:45] <lmat> IraDivina: Good luck. YOu'll have to make it without me for now, love.
[21:47] <dk0r> Any ideas why ssh immediately logs me off?? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5639556
[21:52] <Odd> I'm running rTorrent on a headless Ubuntu Server with NICs, I've established a PPtP-tunnel on eth0, and would like rTorrents traffic to be routed through that tunnel (PPP0 does get a dynamic IP, so I have no way of routing rTorrent to a specific IP). I would like to know, is that at all possible. And if so, how do I verify that rTorrent's traffic is routed through PPP0?
[21:53] <Odd> Any answers, speculations or whatever - is of course appreciated :)
[21:53] <WeThePeople> dk0r, what does -vv do?
[21:54] <dk0r> WeThePeople: thanks. I was using admin to login when I should have been using root.
[21:54] <IraDivina> dk0r, u are not on wordpress :P
[21:55] <elisa87> what does not stripped mean here? a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped
[21:55] <dk0r> IraDivina: no. It's a nas.
[21:55] <IraDivina> dk0r, that's why is root instead of admin
[21:55] <dk0r> IraDivina: yeah. I don't use wordpress, but I get it.
[21:55] <xwalk> I hope one of these days I get past the point of having to spend 3 hours trying to build something from source.
[21:55] <dk0r> ty
[21:55] <dk0r> xwalk: hehe
[21:56] <IraDivina> xwalk, never.
[21:57] <xwalk> Of course that would completely render the illusion to others that you're hard at work transparent.
[21:57] <k1l> elisa87: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2969/what-are-stripped-and-not-stripped-executables-in-unix
[21:58] <elisa87> K1l thanks :)
[21:58] <robotti> eggselend
[21:58] <SteveBell> ok I'm still trying to re-install ubuntu on a netbook. so now I did the following: created a bootable USB stick following http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu which seemed to work. but when trying to boot from that usb drive I get "Non-system disk, Press any key to reboot"
[21:59] <k1l> SteveBell: make sure you boot the usb stick (options in bios or a boot-medium-menu with some key like F10 or such)
[22:00] <SteveBell> k1l:  yes I did that. hit F12 but the USB to the very top of the boot options. restart. same msg
[22:00] <SteveBell> but = put
[22:00] <Ahmedo> hello , is there a good source on plymounth ? , i want to learn how to make my own animated loader.
[22:00] <k1l> SteveBell: is that a stick or a hdd?
[22:00] <WeThePeople> my headphones wont work when i reboot to ubuntu, any ideas
[22:01] <SteveBell> usb stick
[22:01] <SteveBell> formatted with FAT
[22:01] <WeThePeople> but they work from shutdown
[22:02] <josetacos> using the mini installer everything worked execpt it could not install grub got this error "unable to install grub in /dev/sda"
[22:02] <tummy> Running ubuntu 13 and started getting an error: Illegal division by zero at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/WWW/ProxyChecker.pm line 73.  Tried searching to see if this is a known issue in the latest Ubuntu distro, anyone else come across this?
[22:03] <Ahmedo> any idea guys on plymouth ?
[22:03] <Ahmedo> !topic plymouth
[22:03] <k1l> !plymouth | Ahmedo
[22:04] <k1l> SteveBell: iirc, there should be 2 partitions on that stick. not only one fat one. :/
[22:04] <Ahmedo> !plymouth-theme-script
[22:05] <josetacos> how do i install only grub using the mini installer
[22:05] <Ahmedo> !topic plymouth-theme-script
[22:05] <SteveBell> k1l:  this is what that stick looks like http://cl.ly/image/3l3R1k2T460W
[22:07] <Ahmedo> !plymouth | ahmedo
[22:07] <k1l> SteveBell: i was wrong, just checked with my live ubuntu stick
[22:07] <NvrBst> Greetings, question if I may. When I do "sudo echo hi > t.txt" I'm seeing t.txt get greated with "user:user". If I do "sudo -s" "echo hi > t1.txt" I see "t1.txt" with "root:root". Why would "sudo" not be setting user,group to root:root too?
[22:07] <k1l> SteveBell: your stick looks good so far from that point
[22:08] <Ahmedo> !plymouth-theme-script | ahmedo
[22:08] <SteveBell> yes I also seem to understand how to adjust that boot order on the target machine
[22:08] <jrib> NvrBst: the redirection is done by your shell (which is being run by your user)
[22:08] <k1l> Ahmedo: the bot is not a google frontend. did you try to google for "plymouth theme script" already?
[22:09] <Ahmedo> yep i did, there is no clear answear
[22:09] <k1l> SteveBell: is the stick a 64bit and the netbook is 32bit only?
[22:10] <SteveBell> k1l:  I think you nailed it. the stick was created in 64bit ubuntu and target machine is 32bit
[22:10] <Ahmedo> am beginning to like ubuntu
[22:10] <SteveBell> but how'd I workaround taht?
[22:10] <k1l> SteveBell: i got that message when my usb-hdd wasnt in spin up fast enough at booting. or you did boot the wrong usb slot :/
[22:10] <k1l> SteveBell: get a 32bit iso and put it on the usb stick
[22:10] <SteveBell> I did that
[22:10] <SteveBell> I used the correct iso
[22:11] <k1l> hmm.
[22:11] <SteveBell> but did the creation process on a 64bit machine
[22:11] <k1l> that doesnt matter
[22:11] <SteveBell> so that shouldn#t be a problem?
[22:11] <k1l> if you use the ritgh iso
[22:11] <SteveBell> ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
[22:11] <k1l> you could try to dd that iso to that stick. or try unetbootin
[22:11] <Conflict_> I have a question regarding encryption.  I used LVM full disk encryption during installation.  Then during the end of the install I also checked off "Encrypt /home".  My question is: do i now have unnessicary "double encryption"?  Do I not have to encrypt /home if I'm using LVM with encryption?
[22:12] <SteveBell> uh boy… I've been trying unetbooting on OS X and that had the same problem.
[22:12] <SteveBell> the only time the usb creation worked was with the recommended tool in win7. problem is win 7 is gone with a non-working ubuntu install now
[22:12] <SteveBell> :S
[22:12] <vitimiti> nighty night
[22:12] <SteveBell> somewhat absurd situation...
[22:13] <SteveBell> but not sure how to address this situation now
[22:13] <k1l> hmm
[22:13] <SteveBell> is there some flags that need to be set to make the usb stick a system boot medium?
[22:13] <k1l> not that i am aware of
[22:14] <k1l> i didnt have problems with the usb sticks so far
[22:14] <betrayd> on a mac though?
[22:16] <volitek> ubuntu keeps randomly freezing after like an hour, but I can move my mouse. I can't make anything else happen on screen. Switching to a TTY with ctrl alt f1 doesnt even do anything! any idea what could be wrong or how to fix it?
[22:18] <SteveBell> betrayd I'm on a mac. but since the bootable USB creation seemed easier I setup up a VM with 64bit ubuntu and created the usb stick tehre
[22:19] <SteveBell> target machine being 32 bit though
[22:20] <betrayd> volitek dreate a new user, and log in as this new user only. Run only a few apps and hold off on the others; see if the freeze still happens.
[22:20] <betrayd> volitek create*^
[22:21] <chvx> is encrypted-lvm useful?
[22:21] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: do you have a browser open?
[22:21] <volitek> Uh... it happens after an hour, how will i know it's gone?
[22:21] <volitek> [FreeBSD]: Yes, firefox
[22:22] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: i mean when the freeze happens
[22:22] <[FreeBSD]> but d/w
[22:22] <volitek> Yeah, it was open
[22:22] <volitek> has been each time
[22:22] <[FreeBSD]> chrome has a known issue with freezing (something gpu accel related)
[22:22] <volitek> hm
[22:22] <[FreeBSD]> try disabling firefox's gpu accel in the options
[22:22] <[FreeBSD]> see if it still happens
[22:22] <betrayd> SteveBell is there a way to run it  as a liveCD/USB without VM?
[22:22] <SteveBell> run what?
[22:22] <volitek> I'll give it a go, thanks
[22:23] <SteveBell> the usb stick?
[22:23] <k1l> SteveBell: well, just use dd to put the iso onto the usb-stick
[22:23] <SteveBell> k1l:  use dd?
[22:23] <k1l> !dd | SteveBell
[22:24] <SteveBell> !dd
[22:24] <SteveBell> bot says it knows nothing about dd
[22:24] <matbee> Anyone here know how to force a socket.io connection closed? socket.disconnect doesn't actually end it.
[22:24] <matbee> client or server..
[22:25] <k1l> SteveBell: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-iso-to-usb-device
[22:25] <k1l> (i need to find a non german tutorial for you :) )
[22:25] <betrayd> or he needs to learn german stat
[22:26] <SteveBell> I speak german
[22:26] <SteveBell> actually I live there...
[22:26] <SteveBell> problem is unetbootin hasn't been working for me
[22:26] <betrayd> lol he already moved!
[22:26] <k1l> betrayd: ;p
[22:26] <syntroPi> i would need a hint: i purchased a USB DVB-T dongle (pctv quatro nano 520e) which comes with an IR remote: i just tried it and it seems i can control the volume with it (cinnamon possibly gnome and unity too): Which interface is used here? I mean which software is responsible for that functionality?
[22:26] <k1l> dd is a simple copy bit by bit tool.
[22:27] <prime_> @search you are not so smart
[22:27] <syntroPi> Just asking because maybe i can use that to control VLC with it or is LIRC the better option for that?
[22:28] <k1l> SteveBell: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/CD-Images  this is the german wiki. it mentions the dd part (and links to further explanations
[22:30] <syntroPi> it seems to send messages to dbus like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695277/
[22:32] <daftykins> syntroPi: LIRC is a bit of an abortion but it tends to work ok
[22:34] <syntroPi> just asking myself where that already working functionality is implemented: liblircclient is installed
[22:34] <urmom> what is linux?? i heard linux is illegal
[22:34]  * urmom farted
[22:35] <chvx> any good idea to use encryption?
[22:35] <daftykins> not just for the sake of it, no
[22:35] <urmom> is linux illegal???
[22:36] <daftykins> you'll know if it's worth it
[22:36] <daftykins> urmom: yeah but all the cool kids are doing it, so...
[22:36] <urmom> where can i get a pirated copy of ubuntu i have no money and cant buy it
[22:36] <[FreeBSD]> so lame
[22:37] <th0r> how original...a troll
[22:37] <daftykins> inorite
[22:37] <sammy> yay for irc and /ignore
[22:37] <daftykins> well we could summon ops to sort it
[22:38] <daftykins> oh he left
[22:38] <k1l> well, he is already gone. so lets move on :)
[22:38] <daftykins> awww shucks k1l
[22:39] <http80> ubuntu users: i have a 2nd hard drive that was installed on a ubuntu box. the ubuntu box cannot see it. how can i be able to see it and recover some files from this HD?
[22:40] <[FreeBSD]> http80: does it show in fdisk -l?
[22:40] <|s-a|> [FreeBSD] , nice name :D
[22:40] <[FreeBSD]> or are you trying to find it in the file manager
[22:41] <http80> freebsd: it does show when entering that command
[22:41] <[FreeBSD]> http80: its probably not formatted, or on an unrecognised file system type
[22:41] <http80> all i am trying to do is recover some files from that hard drive
[22:41] <[FreeBSD]> do you know what fs it is
[22:41] <http80> well, it has fedora installed on it
[22:41] <http80> fedora as a back on my fedora box
[22:41] <|s-a|> http80 , photorec ?
[22:42] <[FreeBSD]> ah ok, it should be seen then... what does it say when you manually mount it>
[22:42] <Guest56691> am i in the appropriate place to ask for help with an ubuntu problem?
[22:42] <|s-a|> Guest56691, welcome
[22:42] <[FreeBSD]> Guest56691: you would have thought so
[22:42] <k1l> http80: first you should make a dd image of that hdd and test the stuff with that image
[22:42] <syntroPi> is there a way to find out dbus messages origin/senders pid?
[22:42] <k1l> http80: myabe try ddrescue
[22:42] <|s-a|> Guest56691 , /nick amguest :p
[22:43] <http80> Kll: hold on, BRB
[22:43] <Guest56691> sorry, still a bit confused - is this a command to change my name?
[22:43] <[FreeBSD]>  /nick nick
[22:43] <k1l> yes
[22:43] <|s-a|> Guest56691 yep
[22:44] <Guest56691> :)
[22:44] <|s-a|> !basicirc
[22:44] <patelx> lol
[22:44] <|s-a|> !irc
[22:44] <|s-a|> !noob
[22:44] <|s-a|> arrr !
[22:44] <pastar> better?
[22:44] <patelx> pastar: making moves
[22:45] <|s-a|> we can recognize you now
[22:45] <pastar> good!
[22:46] <pastar> is there an etiquette to inquiry?
[22:47] <|s-a|> */msg or */query
[22:52] <Guest33066> ciao a tutti
[22:52] <|s-a|> bye
[22:52] <fearphage> I'm running ubuntu raring (13.04), the latest version of Chromium in the repos is 25. The same is true for 12.04. Anyone know anything about that? This says we should be on 26 or 27 http://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar
[22:52] <syntroPi> gr8: my em28xx driver seems to create keyboard input events for my ir remote volume buttons :p
[22:53] <phillyj> can someone help me figure out how to automount my new HDD using fstab?
[22:53] <|s-a|> feaephage , you can download the newest version and install it , it is quite simple
[22:53] <phillyj> what options should I choose or should I leave it default?
[22:54] <dominic_> hello
[22:54] <dominic_> can someone help me with the termina;
[22:54] <phillyj> dominic_: what's wrong with the terminal
[22:54] <[FreeBSD]> fearphage: you wont get the latest packages on ubuntu without an external repo
[22:54] <Guest33066> !list
[22:54] <dominic_> i cant open some files
[22:55] <Guest33066> #
[22:55] <[FreeBSD]> dominic_: open how
[22:55] <fearphage> What changed? I was getting the latest stables since 11
[22:55] <dominic_> with cd
[22:55] <[FreeBSD]> dominic_: that will change the dir
[22:55] <Vai> oh god
[22:55] <Vai> i like this network
[22:55] <Guest33066> Someone can tell me how to see the channel list??
[22:55] <Vai> better then undernet
[22:55] <dominic_> change how
[22:55] <Vai> Guest10813, /list
[22:56] <Guest33066> thanls
[22:56] <Guest33066> thanks
[22:56] <Vai> np
[22:56] <Vai> :)
[22:56] <[FreeBSD]> dominic_: if you "cd" it will take you to your home directory
[22:56] <[FreeBSD]> if you cd /tmp it will take you to /tmp
[22:56] <[FreeBSD]> that command wont open files
[22:56] <dominic_> i do , cd downloads it doesnt work
[22:56] <TpOJ> #dominic cd means change directory e.g. go into whatever directory you specify
[22:56] <Guest33066> sakso
[22:56] <[FreeBSD]> dominic_: its case sensitive
[22:56] <[FreeBSD]> try cd Downloads
[22:57] <[FreeBSD]> or even better, use tab completion
[22:57] <dominic_> it doesnt work
[22:57] <[FreeBSD]> type cd then tab twice
[22:57] <[FreeBSD]> see what comes up
[22:57] <TpOJ> @dominic use vi to open files
[22:57] <dominic_> it works with the dir i created
[22:57] <[FreeBSD]> ls -a the dir
[22:57] <[FreeBSD]> its a typo from you
[22:57] <[FreeBSD]> or the dir dont exist
[22:58] <phillyj> dominic_: you want to open files or folders?
[22:58] <dominic_> folders
[22:58] <[FreeBSD]> dominic_: whats the exact command you're typing?
[22:58] <[FreeBSD]> paste out put of pwd and ls -a
[22:58] <phillyj> then cd tab tab until you get where you need to go
[22:59] <samgabbay> Hello users Samuel G From the QATeam Here
[22:59] <dominic_> cd downloads
[22:59] <seronis> dominic_:  linux is case sensitive   downloads is not Downloads
[22:59] <madprops> type ls to see the directories available
[22:59] <[FreeBSD]> he should know that now :)
[23:00] <dominic_> adwaita-cupertino  Documents  examples.desktop  Pictures  Templates   unixstuff
[23:00] <dominic_> Desktop            Downloads  Music             Public    Ubuntu One  Videos
[23:00] <madprops> then do cd Dow [tab]
[23:00] <[FreeBSD]> dominic_: yeah, its because you're not capitalizing the D in Downloads
[23:00] <seronis> dominic_:   linux is case sensitive.. type  'cd Downloads'   not  'cd downloads'
[23:00] <dominic_> hold on
[23:01] <dominic_> it works i knew it will be stupid like that
[23:01] <[FreeBSD]> *achievement unlocked*
[23:01] <needubuntuhelp> Hi, I am trying to create a Ubuntu .desktop file for a program I have
[23:01] <needubuntuhelp> To run the program I need to run "mono filename.exe"
[23:01] <dominic_> thanks guys
[23:01] <seronis> dominic_:  'simple' like that =-)  stupid is the people who argue and dont listen to advice
[23:02] <needubuntuhelp> so I've created a .desktop file and included a .sh file that calls the program in the exec listing
[23:02] <needubuntuhelp> but for some reason it isn't working
[23:02] <phillyj> dominic_: you might want to check out http://www.tuxfiles.org
[23:02] <needubuntuhelp> Do I need to give the desktop file permissions or something?
[23:02] <bekks> needubuntuhelp: Try using full paths.
[23:02] <[FreeBSD]> needubuntuhelp: try giving it executable permissions
[23:02] <samgabbay> rofl
[23:03] <|s-a|> needubuntuhelp  , you need linux help not ubuntu :p
[23:03] <dominic_> it was simple
[23:03] <dominic_> thanks phillyj
[23:03] <needubuntuhelp> [FreeBSD], how
[23:03] <[FreeBSD]> chmod +x
[23:04] <syntroPi> try invoking it with sh like "sh -c 'mono yourapp.exe'" and sh provides an std environment (with PATH and such) for mono
[23:06] <syntroPi> needubuntuhelp, actually more like "/bin/sh -c 'mono yourapp.exe'"
[23:08] <needubuntuhelp> thanks
[23:11] <Stars> for some reasons after rebooted iam at cmd prompt login screen, startx does not boot into GUI?
[23:11] <maslen> Is it possible to remove the link local interface?
[23:11] <|s-a|> Stars , pastebin /var/log/X.0.log contents
[23:11] <k1l> Stars: dont use starx. start lightdm on ubuntu
[23:12] <Stars> |s-a|, thanks
[23:12] <|s-a|> welcome , i think you should thank k1l
[23:12] <Stars> k1l, how do i do that?
[23:13] <Stars> is that a cmd? start lightdm
[23:13] <k1l> sudo start lightdm
[23:13] <syntroPi> sudo service lightdm start
[23:13] <Stars> k1l, thanks
[23:13] <k1l> startx doesnt work for ubuntu desktop sessions. that brings alot of problems with root rights etc
[23:14] <maslen> How can I remove the loopback adapter?
[23:14] <[FreeBSD]> maslen: in the kernel
[23:14] <maslen> It's not able to be removed through a config file?
[23:14] <maslen> (I want to test a program in that strange situation)
[23:15] <|s-a|> k1l , even with a good .xinitrc ?
[23:15] <th0r> maslen: not sure, but I think that would render the system unusable
[23:15] <k1l> |s-a|: in most cases.
[23:15] <|s-a|> i see
[23:15] <syntroPi> maslen, not sure if that helps but maybe you want to take a look at LXC
[23:15] <k1l> if you know what you do there are safe ways. but then you wouldnt be asking :)
[23:16] <maslen> th0r: The system shouldn't require ipv4 networking support. That doesn't make sense.
[23:16] <k1l> (not ment to be rude) for most users its safer and the "ubuntu way" to start the dm, like lightdm
[23:17] <|s-a|> k1l , i agree although am not a ubuntu guy :p
[23:17] <th0r> maslen: just working off very dusty old experience. I recall once I knockered loop inadvertently and had a terrible time getting things back up and running. But it was ages ago...hence "not sure..."
[23:17] <bekks> maslen: Removing the loopback interface arises a lot of problems. Most applications, services, host functionalities rely on IPv4 and at least a loopback interface. Having one, is no security issue, is no security leak, is no harm whatsoever.
[23:18] <SteveBell> k1l: and all thanks a lot for your help. especially echoe!!! I got things working now.
[23:18] <bekks> maslen: To shorten it up: "Dont remove the loopback".
[23:18] <|s-a|> maslen , /sbin/ifconfig lo down   , if you face problems turn it up
[23:18] <betrayd> SteveBell which one was the best approach btw
[23:19] <maslen> |s-a|: Hah, that worked. Thanks.
[23:19] <|s-a|> maslen , maybe you will hate me soon :D
[23:19] <maslen> bekks: I'm doing it in a VM. I want to see if it breaks an application. Obviously, I would not do something like that on production
[23:19] <maslen> |s-a|: Nah, the app didn't crash - no harm done
[23:20] <syntroPi> maslen, maybe look at its dialogue with the system via strace
[23:21] <tzp> switching users on 12.04 makes the screen go black
[23:21] <tzp> then i have to restart
[23:21] <tzp> im updated
[23:21] <tzp> odd
[23:21] <|s-a|> tzp , use one line
[23:22] <SteveBell> betrayd: the problem was that imo http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx isn't perfectly clear what exactly is to be done in a specific step. step 2 e.g. is clear. but step 3 intends the user to know that the dmg needs to be renamed to img. there is a note but that is not clear what action is required by the user to be done. there's more in that direction. so in that long process I kept making small errors.
[23:22] <SteveBell> not sure why ubuntus own tool (that I used in a vm ubuntu I setup) didn't work. it's now working, though with the help of echoe
[23:23] <dr_willis> some usb tools can be weird with some combos of flash and computer hardware ive found over the years
[23:23] <|s-a|> tzp , here is an approach , know what login manager do 12.04 use , than google to see if the problem is common , if not try to find the logs of  it :p
[23:25] <syntroPi> tzp had that with lightdm on "toram" live system session: gdm though seemed not to have that problem i had ...
[23:25] <http80> k1l: i am back
[23:25] <tzp> Sorry I forgot enter isn't a punctuation. The ADD doesn't help either<EMAIL_ADDRESS>When logging or switching users in 12.04 the 2nd account I made, the name is blank. Is this normal?
[23:25] <http80> freebsd: i am back
[23:25] <Synthbread> Does ubuntu read from ~/.xinitrc?
[23:26] <[FreeBSD]> http80: ok
[23:26] <dr_willis> tzp:  you mean the names in the top right menu thing?  ive noticed that having blank entries even without switching
[23:26] <phillyj> can someone help me get this new HDD writable?
[23:26] <|s-a|> Synthbread  , X do
[23:26] <tzp> syntroPi ahh thanks man. Hopefully it goes away. I'll just have to see what tends to cause it. So strange, that and the missing name, I even rebooted.
[23:26] <dr_willis> Synthbread:  depends on how you login.
[23:26] <[FreeBSD]> Synthbread: as in what, using startx?
[23:26] <tzp> dr_willis yes, exactly that sir.
[23:27] <dr_willis> tzp:  could be some of the extra peofile info for the users are not filled in. i never looked into it much. askubuntu.com may know more
[23:27] <Synthbread> |s-a|, dr_willis, [FreeBSD]: I have a couple commands to remap the keyboard with xmodmap and put it into ~/.xinitrc and marked it as executable.  If I run it from a terminal, it works, but the script doesn't seem to run on login because the keyboard isn't remapped
[23:28] <[FreeBSD]> Synthbread: theres surely some autostart folder in unirt
[23:28] <[FreeBSD]> unity
[23:28] <[FreeBSD]> why does it need to be run from xinitrc
[23:28] <Synthbread> [FreeBSD]: isn't .xinitrc an X standard?
[23:29] <betrayd> iit might be more effective if theeres a restart desktop
[23:29] <Synthbread> [FreeBSD]: to run commands when X starts
[23:29] <dr_willis> Synthbread:  if you login via lightdm.. it will not read .xinitrc
[23:29] <|s-a|> Synthbread , you can use vconsole.conf
[23:29] <syntroPi> in /etc/xdg/autostart are desktop links which are invoked after login
[23:29] <[FreeBSD]> you can use it, but autostart is a better way
[23:29] <[FreeBSD]> because you dont need a seperate file if you dont use it
[23:29] <Synthbread> syntroPi: I want this to be for a user and not system wide
[23:29] <tzp> dr_willis you're right! any way you know of to get back to input name for that account once set up?
[23:29] <volitek> [FreeBSD]: it happened again, froze with firefox open but I had hardware acceleration disabled :(
[23:29] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: oh, no idea then
[23:30] <Synthbread> |s-a|: can this be set per-user?
[23:30] <volitek> okay, thanks anyway
[23:30] <|s-a|> Synthbread , not sure
[23:30] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: leave a tail -F /var/log/{messages,kern.log} or whatever open
[23:30] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: to see if it catches anything
[23:31] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: do you have much ram? doing anything specific when it happens?
[23:31] <|s-a|> Synthbread , you can use startup programs and add: setxkbmap -layout
[23:31] <volitek> Ive got 16 gigs, I just opened the file explorer when it happened
[23:31] <syntroPi> Synthbread, maybe try "~/.config/autostart/"
[23:31] <volitek> the time before I had just switched between two workspaces
[23:31] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: do you use anything special, like zfs?
[23:31] <volitek> nope
[23:32] <Synthbread> syntroPi: I only want to run a script, though.  do I have to write up a .desktop file just to run a script?
[23:32] <[FreeBSD]> it could be anything
[23:32] <syntroPi> Synthbread, never tried it but i guess: yes
[23:32] <|s-a|> volitek , i can't understand did you have a 16 gigs file ?
[23:32] <[FreeBSD]> volitek: i would leave a terminal visible with logs on tail just in case it leaves you a clue
[23:32] <volitek> 16 gigs of ram
[23:33] <volitek> okay, thanks, ill try it
[23:34] <http80> freebsd: as i was telling you, the 2nd drive has fedora as a back of my fedora box
[23:34] <[FreeBSD]> http80: what happeens when you mount it then?
[23:34] <phillyj> arg, getting this hdd to be writable is driving me crazy!
[23:35] <http80> well, i am new to linux, what are the steps to do that?
[23:35] <[FreeBSD]> http80: do fdisk -l
[23:35] <[FreeBSD]> as root
[23:35] <http80> i have that info already
[23:35] <[FreeBSD]> find the drive number, like sdc1 or whatever
[23:35] <http80> yes i have it already
[23:35] <Synthbread> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Migrating_from_SLiM
[23:35] <[FreeBSD]> http80: do sudo -i
[23:35] <Synthbread> it's .xprofile instead of .xinitrc
[23:36] <[FreeBSD]> then mkdir /mnt/tmp ; mount /dev/sdc1 (or whatever it is) /mnt/tmp
[23:36] <http80> hold on. i have ubuntu in my living room
[23:36] <|s-a|> Synthbread , good :p
[23:37] <http80> freebsd: BRB
[23:37] <|s-a|> Synthbread , anyways xinit works with startx
[23:38] <phillyj> oh, nvm, gksu nautilus solved my hdd permissions problem
[23:38] <[FreeBSD]> Synthbread: this is why i like window managers, just put "exec whatever" in the bottom of the config
[23:38] <[FreeBSD]> no messing arounf
[23:38] <|s-a|> phillyj , what was the problem ?
[23:38] <betrayd> yeah used to have xmodmap too but the desktop neeeded a restart for the keys to take effect. Not sure how unity would work there
[23:45] <zergion> I have permission issues, I have a index.php file in /var/www, issue is I can't edit it without using sudo. And I can't edit it using a ftp software either.
[23:45] <zergion> I tried to set it to 777, still no effect.
[23:45] <gordonjcp> !permissions | zergion
[23:46] <cxipher> ugh
[23:46] <http80> freebsd: did not work. mount /dev/sdb2 mount: can't find /dev/sdb2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[23:47] <http80> i can send you the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[23:47] <seronis> zergion: im a linux newb so take this advice with a bit of caution, but are the owner:group values of that directory set properly?  ie:  man chown
[23:48] <seronis> id imagine its currently set to 'root:root', try setting it to yourself or something more appropriate than root (like a group/user in charge of the website)
[23:48] <cxipher> *sigh* i was hoping for less glitches in 12.04. Movie player trakcs forward and back when i scroll the list. annoying.
[23:54] <nezzario> I have a small box with 512mb RAM and currently has netbsd on it.. the cd-rom is busted on it, usb boot is unavailable.. i got netbsd on there with netboot, i really don't want to finaggle with netboot since i'm not on the same network setup as before .. is there a way I could easily dd an installer over netbsd's stuff?
[23:55] <[FreeBSD]> http80: ok
[23:55] <betrayd> nezzario what if you break your netbsd and can't intsall, whats plan B?
[23:56] <nezzario> i'll just do tftp/netboot but it's just a pain..
[23:56] <dr_willis> nezzario:  you could do a full install to a usb flash then dd that over to the hd. then yse gparted to resize the fs.  but its an odd way.
[23:56] <betrayd> is the machine 'expendable'
[23:56] <nezzario> that's actually an excellent idea given my condition
[23:56] <nezzario> yeah i don't give a crap about it it hasn't been booted in 6 mo
[23:57] <betrayd> lol
[23:57] <betrayd> iwas moer worried than you were lol
[23:59] <nezzario> well, .. will the ubuntu installer work OK over unreliable net connections?
[23:59] <nezzario> or is it going to be an extreme hassle?


[19:35] <Miyavix3> Helloo
[19:36] <Miyavix3> Is anyone here...?
[19:36] <Flannel> Miyavix3: Yep
[19:37] <Miyavix3> ok :D!
[19:37] <Miyavix3> So I did the same thing
[19:37] <Miyavix3> and same results
[19:37] <Miyavix3> auto lo
[19:37] <Flannel> What same thing? and what same results?
[19:37] <Miyavix3> iface lo inet loopback
[19:37] <Miyavix3> sudo nano /etc/network/nterfaces
[19:38] <Flannel> right, you need to add "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to the end of that
[19:39] <Miyavix3> save and then try apt-gettig something/
[19:39] <Miyavix3> ?
[19:39] <Flannel> Save, then sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:40] <Flannel> and then verify you're online (w3m google.com, or ping or whatever)
[19:40] <Miyavix3> Tell me when I need internet
[19:40] <Miyavix3> Because 1 ethernet cord for 2 computers
[19:40] <Flannel> this is where you'd need internet.   I need internet?
[19:42] <Flannel> so, plug it in, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, try to get online, if that doesn't work, I imagine your stuff isn't broken at all, you just need to reboot with the cord plugged in.  And I'm leaning towards telling you to remove the stuff we just added.
[19:42] <Flannel> Miyavix3: yeah
[19:42] <Flannel> Miyavix3: We're trying to connect to the internet then
[19:42] <Miyavix3> ok, brb
[19:42] <Miyavix3> switching chords
[19:44] <Miyavix3> so askdlahsdlkajs
[19:44] <Miyavix3> Am I connected?
[19:44] <Flannel> Miyavix3: yes
[19:44] <Miyavix3> oh cool, lol
[19:44] <Miyavix3> erll uh
[19:44] <Miyavix3> [fail]
[19:45] <Miyavix3> interface lo declared allow-auto twice ifdown: couldn't real interfaces file "etc/network/interfaces"
[19:47] <Miyavix3> anything?
[19:48] <Miyavix3> read*
[19:48] <Miyavix3> >_>
[19:48] <Flannel> Well, I'm hesitant to think anything was wrong to begin with, so why don't you try removing the stuff we just added, and rebooting with the network cable plugged in
[19:49]  * Flannel hates the "reboot to fix it" option, but I'm obviously not familiar with whatever chnages they made in stuff after Dapper if theres no eth0 in there by default
[19:49] <Miyavix3> brb again
[19:49] <Miyavix3> What's the shutdown command?
[19:50] <Miyavix3> nvm
[19:51] <batsquid> shutdown now
[19:54] <Miyavix31> ok well
[19:54] <Miyavix31> I think I'm SOL
[19:54] <Flannel> Miyavix3: Nah, even if you can't get networking to work for some reason, you can grab an alternate CD and install the GUI from that
[19:55] <Miyavix31> I have the insall disk
[19:55] <Miyavix31> install
[19:56] <Miyavix31> So I can fix this and everything will be fine
[19:56] <Miyavix31> ?
[19:56] <Miyavix31> Or rather, I'll have my settings and files?
[19:59] <Miyavix31> I have the disk
[20:05] <Miyavix31> well uh...
[20:05] <Miyavix31> what do I do?
[20:07] <Miyavix31> Flannel... =\
[20:08] <Miyavix31> I'm just going to reinstall
[20:09] <Miyavix31> Seriously, this problem has lasted over 2 hours
[20:09] <Miyavix31> Thanks for your help man
[20:09] <Miyavix31> but I suck
[20:09] <Miyavix31> So see ya
[20:18] <Miyavix3> is anyone here...
[22:38] <nhandler> I have to ask you all a serious question. The package I was planning on demonstrating how to perform a merge on refuses to build in intrepid. I can either do the lesson as planned today, but you will be unable to build the package, or I can push the lesson back to next Tuesday and do the lesson then with a different package.
[22:39] <nhandler> What would you guys prefer I do?
[22:41] <Syntux> can't you find another package ?
[22:41] <nhandler> Syntux: Yes I can. And that is what I would do if I were to push the lesson back to Tuesday
[22:42] <Syntux> we can't find one now? in like 10 minutes?
[22:42] <Syntux> it's 1 am here and the only reason I'm awake is this session :-)
[22:44] <nhandler> I'm really sorry Syntux. Yes, I could find a new package, but the lesson would be significantly longer as I would be working on it as I am trying to teach
[22:46] <Syntux> you know what; picking a random package and seeing what would happen is better than picking a tested one
[22:46] <james_w> hey nhandler
[22:46] <nhandler> Hi james_w
[22:46] <Syntux> one of the things that we face as motu wannabes is that we always face problems that wasn't mentioned in wiki/video or by our mentor :D
[22:47] <Syntux> so it's good to see how things really work
[22:47] <james_w> I don't think having it build at the end is the most important bit, but if you're not happy doing the session then we shouldn't
[22:47] <james_w> Syntux makes a good point though, things never go to plan
[22:47] <nhandler> james_w: I am fine doing the session as is. The reason the package refuses to build has nothing to do with the merge.
[22:47] <james_w> nhandler: that's ok then
[22:47] <Syntux> the most important part about this session is to understand the difference between sync and merge; and the workflow
[22:47] <james_w> is anyone else here for the session, or is it just me and Syntux ?
[22:48] <Syntux> james_w, I'm here before you :p so it's syntux and me.
[22:48] <nhandler> Syntux: The session actually focuses more about HOW to perform a merge
[22:49] <Syntux> true but a wannabe wont merge without differentiating it from sync.
[22:50] <nhandler> Syntux: I do mention how you know the difference between a sync and a merge, but that is not the focus of the lesson
[22:50] <Syntux> sure
[22:51] <nhandler> It looks like people still want me to do the lesson. So I'll give it a try. If you plan on participating, please join #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[22:52] <james_w> thanks nhandler
[22:52] <james_w> would you like to give it a few minutes to allow people to arrive?
[22:52] <nhandler> We still have 8 minutes until it was scheduled to start. I'll wait until then.
[22:53] <james_w> great, thanks
[22:59] <Laney> Rawr
[23:00] <james_w> hey Laney, top showering
[23:00] <james_w> nhandler: you would like questions in #-chat?
[23:00] <nhandler> Yes james_w
[23:00] <Laney> I merged the shampoo with my hair, and built the soap into a lather
[23:01] <Laney> and in the end we got a working clean target
[23:01] <james_w> :-)
[23:01] <nhandler> I guess I'll start
[23:01] <james_w> nhandler: fair enough.
[23:01] <nhandler> Hello everyone, and thanks for joining me for my MOTU School session about merging packages from Debian.
[23:01] <nhandler> If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them in #ubuntu-classroom-chat at any time. Please be sure to prefix your questions with "QUESTION:".
[23:02] <nhandler> The wiki does an excellent job of explaining why we need to merge/sync packages from Debian.
[23:02] <nhandler> Here is an excerpt from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging.
[23:03] <nhandler> Ubuntu is based on the Debian GNU/Linux distribution and uses the same package management system. In the beginning of each Ubuntu development cycle the packages in Ubuntu are updated to those in Debian unstable. However, because Ubuntu is not the same as Debian, some of the packages need to be modified to work in Ubuntu. There might also be bug fixes that Ubuntu developers have introduced into the packages.
[23:03] <nhandler> You can determine whether this has taken place by noting the package version. If the package version includes ubuntu in it (an example would be gimp 2.2.9-3ubuntu2) then the Ubuntu developers have made some change and it is no longer the same as the Debian package. There are more than 1000 such packages in the Universe repository.
[23:03] <nhandler> At the start of the development cycle a decision has to be made with regard to these Ubuntu-versioned packages. Of course if the Debian version hasn't changed since the last Ubuntu release then nothing needs to be changed. However, if there is a newer version of the package in Debian then one of two things should happen.
[23:04] <nhandler> If all of the reasons that the Ubuntu version existed (bug fixes, dependencies, etc.) are fixed in the new Debian package then we can just take the Debian package directly. This is called a sync. However, if the new Debian version has the same issues that caused the Ubuntu version to be made, then those changes need to be applied to the new Debian version. This is called merging.
[23:04] <nhandler> The Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic (MoM), http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html, provides a list of packages that need to either be merged or synced from Debian.
[23:05] <nhandler> DaD, http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php, is another merge tool. Although we will be using MoM for our example today, you should always check DaD to make sure that someone isn't already working on merging the package you want to do. You also should ask the last Ubuntu uploader if they are planning on doing the merge.
[23:05] <nhandler> Today, we will be merging a package called "ksensors".
[23:05] <nhandler> Before we begin, please install: devscripts, build-essential, wget, fakeroot, quilt, patchutils, and debhelper from the repositories. You will need them in order to follow along with this lesson.
[23:06] <nhandler> All of these packages are available in the Ubuntu repositories.
[23:06] <nhandler> Start by creating a directory called "Merges" in your home folder. This folder will hold all of your merges.
[23:07] <nhandler> Next, download the grab-merge script, http://merges.ubuntu.com/grab-merge.sh, to the Merges folder, and make it executable with 'chmod +x ~/Merges/grab-merge.sh'.
[23:08] <nhandler> We will use grab-merge.sh to download all of the files that we need to perform the merge from MoM.
[23:08] <nhandler> Inside your Merges folder, create a new folder called "ksensors". This new folder will hold all the files related to merging ksensors.
[23:09] <nhandler> Now, open a terminal (Applications->Accessories->Terminal), and type 'cd ~/Merges/ksensors' to enter our new ksensors folder.
[23:09] <nhandler> We will now download the files we need to perform the merge. Type '../grab-merge.sh ksensors'. This will download all the files we need.
[23:11] <nhandler> Once the script finishes running, type 'less REPORT' to view the report file that MoM generated for us. This report will show us which files had changes that were unable to be merged automatically.
[23:11] <nhandler> Near the bottom of the REPORT file, you should see a line that looks like this:
[23:11] <nhandler> C  debian/control
[23:12] <nhandler> That means that MoM was unable to automatically merge the changes that were made in Ubuntu and Debian for that file.
[23:13] <nhandler> First, 'cd ksensors-0.7.3-16ubuntu1' to enter the source directory.
[23:13] <nhandler> The first thing you should do is look at the changelog file. This file shows all changes that were made in Ubuntu and in Debian. I prefer to just leave this file open so that I can refer to it later.
[23:14] <nhandler> When performing a merge, we need to focus on the most recent "batch" of Ubuntu changes. You will be able to recognize this "batch", because all of the Ubuntu changes in it will be against the same Debian revision. The debian revision is located after the '-' and before the 'ubuntu'. In ksensors, the batch of changes that we want to focus on includes versions 0.7.3-15ubuntu1 and 0.7.3-15ubuntu2. Do you notice that both of those versio
[23:14] <nhandler> ns have a Debian revision of 15?
[23:15] <medo_> nhandler: do you mean the upstream changelog file
[23:15] <medo_> or the /debian/changelog
[23:15] <nhandler> medo_: I mean debian/changelog
[23:16] <medo_> thank
[23:16] <medo_> :)
[23:16] <nhandler> Remember, please try and ask all questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[23:16] <nhandler> Moving on, if you look at version 0.7.3-15ubuntu1, you will see that it had two changes. It modified the menu file, and it added dh_iconcache to debian/rules.
 QUESTIN where are we lookinh
[23:17] <Laney> looking* I think
[23:18] <m_newton> Laney, I found it thanks
[23:18] <nhandler> In 0.7.3-15ubuntu2, you will see that several changes were made. quilt was added as a Build-Depends in debian/control, debian/rules was updated, a patch was added in debian/patches, and dh_iconcache was changed to dh_icons in debian/rules.
[23:20] <nhandler> Now that we know what changes were made in Ubuntu, we need to look at the most recent Debian version, 0.7.3-16, to see if any of the Ubuntu changes were added upstream in Debian. As you can see from the changelog entry, Debian has not applied any of the Ubuntu changes.
 QUESTION: do we close the terminal where we did less REPORT
[23:21] <nhandler> m_newton: You can close the REPORT file if you wish. It does not matter.
[23:21] <Laney>  <Syntux> Laney, why we have to focus on the version before the last (15) and not the last (16)
[23:22] <Alan_M> Guys, please see nhandlers comment about questions.
[23:22] <nhandler> Syntux: The reason we are looking at the Ubuntu changes that had a Debian revision of 15 is because 0.7.3-16 is not currently in Ubuntu yet. As a result, no Ubuntu changes have been made for that Debian revision
[23:23] <nhandler> Did that answer your question Syntux ?
[23:23] <Syntux> sure.
[23:23] <Syntux> Thanks.
[23:23] <nhandler> Alright, now for the fun part. We are now able to perform the merge.
[23:23] <nhandler> Start by opening debian/control. You should see a section that looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37417/
[23:24] <norsetto> nhandler: I have a question before, who is telling us that we should carry over these changes?
[23:24] <nhandler> norsetto: What changes are you referring to?
[23:24] <norsetto> nhandler: the changes from the previous ubuntu versions
[23:25] <nhandler> norsetto: We don't always carry over the Ubuntu changes from previous versions. It depends if they are still needed and whether or not they have been applied upstream
[23:25] <norsetto> nhandler: right, I think this is a pretty important point
[23:26] <nhandler> Our goal is to get all of the Ubuntu changes applied upstream so that we can automatically sync the package when Debian releases a new version
[23:26] <nhandler> norsetto: I talk about this topic a little later in the lesson
[23:26] <norsetto> nhandler: in this particular case, seems like we have been carrying the wrong change for the last few years
[23:27] <nhandler> norsetto: You are probably right. Most of the changes in ksensors should have been sent upstream. However, I don't think we should simply drop them now.
[23:28] <Laney> (they can be sent upstrem as part of this merge!)
[23:28] <norsetto> nhandler: I think is a good idea always to check the bug report that originated a change, in this case bug 45675
[23:29] <norsetto> nhandler: so, seems like the change did exactly the opposite of what the bug report was about ... but anyhow, this is indeed off-topic, so, lets continue
[23:30] <nhandler> Back to debian/control...
[23:30] <nhandler> Start by opening debian/control. You should see a section that looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37417/
[23:30] <nhandler> The lines above the '[23:31] <nhandler> The first thing we will look at is the maintainer field. The Maintainer field should be set to 'Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for packages in Universe or Multiverse, and to Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for packages in main or restricted. You can read more about this here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[23:31] <nhandler> An easy way to figure out what repository a package is in is to use: 'apt-cache madison <package>'
[23:32] <nhandler> The XSBC-Original-Maintainer field is used to store the information of the Debian maintainer.
[23:33] <nhandler> For ksensors, do you notice how the Ubuntu XSBC-Original-Maintainer field and the Debian Maintainer field both contain the same information? This means that the Debian maintainer has not changed since the last Ubuntu version. We can simply delete the Debian Maintainer field line from the control file. If the two fields had been different, we would have had to update the Ubuntu XSBC-Original-Maintainer field to contain the new Debian
[23:33] <nhandler> maintainer's information.
[23:34] <nhandler> Looking back at debian/changelog, you can see that the only change Ubuntu made to the Build-Depends field was adding 'quilt' in version 0.7.3-15ubuntu2. Since Debian has also modified the Build-Depends field, we have to merge the different changes together. In this case, all we need to do is add 'quilt' to the end of the Debian Build-Depends line. After doing that, we can remove the Ubuntu Build-Depends line.
 Question: apt-cache madison <package> <<< what does madison signify??
[23:36] <nhandler> m_newton: "apt-cache´s madison command attempts to mimic the output format and a subset of the functionality of the Debian archive management tool, madison." that is from the apt-cache man page
[23:36] <nhandler> Continuing with the lesson...
[23:36] <nhandler> Now that we have resolved all of the conflicting lines in debian/control, we can remove the '<<<<<<<', '[23:37] <nhandler> At this point, you should have a control file that has been successfully merged. If you would like to verify that your control file is correct, you can upload it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/, and paste the URL in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[23:41] <nhandler> You can view my control file here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37304/
[23:43] <nhandler> MoM attempts to merge as many of the changes as possible from the Debian and Ubuntu versions of the package. However, you should always verify that this task was done correctly.
[23:44] <nhandler> The first change we will verify is the change to the menu file.
[23:45] <nhandler> Start by opening up debian/menu
[23:46] <nhandler> Notice how they have changed the section from Apps/System to Apps/Tools?
[23:46] <nhandler> This is the change norsetto and I were talking about earlier
[23:47] <nhandler> However, for the purposes of this lesson, just notice how the change made in Ubuntu has not been applied upstream in Debian. It is still needed, and MoM has successfully applied the change.
[23:49] <nhandler> I'm surprised nobody asked me how I knew it changed from Apps/System to Apps/Tools
[23:49] <m_newton> ya, how nhandler
[23:49] <m_newton> I just see Apps/Tools
[23:50] <nhandler> I knew this by opening up ~/Merges/ksensors/ksensors_0.7.3-15ubuntu2.patch
[23:50] <nhandler> This file is a diff that shows all of the Ubuntu changes that were made
[23:50] <nhandler> There is a similar file, ksensors_0.7.3-16.patch, that shows the changes that were made in the new Debian version of the package
[23:51] <nhandler> Now, I want you to look back at the changelog. Notice how in version 0.7.3-15ubuntu1 they added dh_iconcache to debian/rules, and in version 0.7.3-15ubuntu2 they replaced dh_iconcache with dh_icons?
[23:52] <medo_> yeah
[23:52] <nhandler> This means that our current debian/rules should have dh_icons, and not dh_iconcache. We can verify this by looking at debian/rules. You will notice that on line 99 is dh_icons.
[23:53] <nhandler> While we are looking at debian/rules, we should also verify that it includes 'patch' and 'upatch', which were added in version 0.7.3-15ubuntu2. You will find 'patch' on line 30, and 'unpatch' on line 45.
[23:54] <nhandler> While I've been presenting this lesson, james_w was kind enough to find a way to hopefully enable us to build this package.
[23:55] <nhandler> To apply this fix, locate this line "cp -f /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 admin/libtool.m4.in". It should be line 33
[23:56] <nhandler> Right below it, paste these lines of text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37565/
[23:56] <nhandler> Once you make those changes, you can save and quit the debian/rules file
[23:57] <nhandler> We are almost done. The only other Ubuntu change that we need to verify is still present is 01_kubuntu_fix_etc_sensors_conf.diff.
[23:59] <nhandler> You will find that patch in debian/patches. It is also listed in debian/patches/series.
[23:59] <nhandler> However, since the file that the patch modifies, src/lmsensors.cpp, has been changed in Debian, this patch will fail to apply if we were to try and build the package.
[23:59] <nhandler> Since working with patches is outside the scope of this lesson, I have made the needed changes to the patch. You can find my revised version here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37450/


[01:29] <R13ose> My wireless headphones have no sound coming out.  I can also plug them into a headphone jack, and when I do, the sound is good quality.  How do I make the wireless headphones have sound again?
[01:30] <R13ose> I have tested the wireless phones with my android phone and they work perfectly.
[01:41] <k_sze> kubuntu 20.04 seems to have a very annoying bug w.r.t. keyboard layout and the login screen.
[01:43] <k_sze> If I'm logged in from sddm, kubuntu x11 session (not wayland), switch my ibus keyboard layout to French, and then lock the screen, the login screen is stuck with the French keyboard layout, and so I can't input my password using muscle memory (because I use all kinds of punctuations, the places of which get taken by diacritics in the French layout).
[02:51] <chaulkim> test
[02:51] <chaulkim> Dear GOD/GODS and/or anyone else who can HELP ME (e.g. MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS):
[02:51] <chaulkim> The next time I wake up, please change my physical form to that of FINN MCMILLAN of SOUTH NEW BRIGHTON at 8 YEARS OLD and keep it that way FOREVER.
[02:51] <chaulkim> I am so sick of this chubby Asian man body!
[02:51] <chaulkim> Thank you!
[02:51] <chaulkim> - CHAUL JHIN KIM (a.k.a. A DESPERATE SOUL)
[03:20] <k_sze> lol, wtf was that?
[10:05] <aleks_> hi, is everyone here?
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[12:09] <Maik> seriously....
[12:19] <RikMills> seriously gone
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:55] <luca> Hello
[14:01] <BluesKaj> hi luca
 Hi, I just found that with CTRL+L in a Open Folder Dialog it is possible to type the path. But I discover it by reading an answer in stackexchange that was talking about GTK... seems to be a common feature of file browsers that I didn't know about... … Anyways, there is a source where I can read more about these kind of "useful common knowledge"?  😊 … I thought this "dialog windows" are related to Dolphin settings but I try t
[15:25] <R13ose> How do I make my wireless headphones the same volume as when I plug them in?  They are super quiet or have no sound when wireless.  I have checked three volume control programs and they all said the volume is fine.  What do I do?
 R13ose: have you checked alsamixer from the terminal?
[15:26] <R13ose> Yep
 Then i have no idea
[15:30] <BluesKaj> which audio driver is it R13ose?
[15:30] <R13ose> How do I check?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> R13ose,  cat /proc/asound/modules
[15:31] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[15:33] <R13ose> snd_hda_intel
[15:34] <BluesKaj> dunno if this will work, but it's worth a try, add this to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, 'options snd_hda_intel model=auto' without the quotes
[15:49] <BluesKaj> probly need to reboot afterwards
[15:51] <R13ose> Rebooting now
[15:53] <R13ose> Still the same
[15:59] <R13ose> I will try again later.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ok, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, in the terminal, there will be no output from that command if the driver loads propely
[16:02] <R13ose> No output.  Should I be able to tab that?
[16:07] <R13ose> Should my wireless headphones be connected when I execute that command in terminal?
[22:35] <threebar> anyone know why searching for an applicatoin that isn't installed in the top bar thing (krunner?) and then selecting the "get ..." entry opens "Discover" but then it doesn't go to the applicaiton's page and just says "loading..." forever
[22:35] <threebar> I think this is new to the latest version. it used to work fine previously


[03:10]  * tonyyarusso thinks genii should just try things before asking about them :P
[03:10]  * rww did /invite him
[06:06]  * tonyyarusso pokes the bot overlords - you're welcome to join an ubottu instance to -r-p at any time now
[06:06] <rww> (an ubottu instance with working @now)
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> (are there ones that don't?)
[06:07] <rww> tonyyarusso: yes
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> huh
[06:11] <rww> firestarter is old, unmaintained, and buggy. I intend to remove all references to it from ubottu. Any complaints?
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> rww: Maybe replace with references / aliases to gufw?
[06:17] <rww> tonyyarusso: That's my intention where appropriate, yes.
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> k
[06:19] <jussi> ubottu: join #ubuntu-release-party
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> yay
[06:19] <jussi> tonyyarusso: ^^^
[06:19] <jussi> hehe
[06:23]  * Jordan_U wonders if it's too late to get some patches in for 11.04.
[06:24] <rww> not if they qualify for freeze exemptions
[06:24] <Jordan_U> Probably don't :(
[06:25] <Jordan_U> One I will likely be able to sneak in by getting it into upstream grub 1.99 final though ;)
[08:50] <Corey> Someone want to slap him down?
[08:50] <Corey> I've quieted him, someone else can remove it if they'd like-- sudo rm -rf * advice.
[08:57] <jussi> !staff | (Corey) - anon1984 ban evading
[09:01] <jussi> Corey: ?
[09:01] <jussi> bah, he disappeared on me :(
[09:01] <Corey> Hmm?
[09:02] <jussi> Corey: our rm -rf'er has come back and been removed, perhaps you want to consider his removal from the network
[09:03] <Corey> If he's ip ban evading it's likely klining would have the same problem?
[09:03] <jussi> I guess that depends on the ip's you kline...
[09:09] <Tm_T> jussi: apparently my ban works
[10:13] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> [11:13] <perscitus>  dummy. Next time just ask your frakin question and dont act a frakin child.
[10:13] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> he send perr queryy
[10:32] <Tm_T> apparently not
[10:33] <ikonia> ?
[10:34] <Tm_T> anon1984 in #u
[10:34] <ikonia> not sure who he was to evade
[10:41] <Tm_T> see bantracker, there's several bans set today
[10:55] <bazhang> ginbuntu unbanned?
[10:56] <Tm_T> no
[10:57] <bazhang> then ban dodging again in -ot and #ubuntu
[10:57] <Tm_T> atleast not that I know
[10:57] <ikonia> he's gone
[10:58] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:58] <bazhang> since the last action was the @mark on the attempted insult, I've not seen him here to resolve it
[10:58] <jussi> Im still laughing at the attempted insult
[10:59] <jussi> (ikonia's wording, not the actual insult)
[10:59] <Tm_T> jussi: you, you, liberal you!
[10:59]  * Tm_T hides
[11:36] <elky> jussi, though, the actual insult is likewise hilarious
[12:49] <bazhang> jungli ban dodging again
[13:00] <ikonia> really.....
[13:23] <LjL> [14:23:27] <ubottu> Hi, please review the ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that you set on Thu Apr 14 11:23:55 2011 in #ubuntu-offtopic, link: http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?log=39133
[13:24] <LjL> how on earth would i have set that
[13:24] <LjL> oh, a mark
[13:24] <LjL> should it really warn for marks?
[13:50] <bazhang> larstorben unbanned? or never banned at all
[13:51] <Pici> never banned :(
[14:00] <bazhang> web pages require IE7?
[14:28] <bazhang> thats larstorben
[14:28] <Pici> Is it?
[14:28] <bazhang> yep
[14:28] <bazhang> p579769FE.dip.t-dialin.net
[14:29] <bazhang> mamalala
[14:29] <bazhang>  p579769FE.dip.t-dialin.net larstorben
[14:30] <bazhang> another outbreak and I say we let the floodbots ban him
[14:30] <Pici> Sounds good.
[14:38] <topyli> oh mamalala is lars? looked like letsgo to me
[14:38] <bazhang> too bad letsgo quit
[14:38] <topyli> they could have had a great discussion together
[14:54] <mneptok> i don't want to hold her down, don't want to break her crown when she says ...
 why linux is very BAD ?
[14:55] <mneptok> because it has wonderful eyes and a risque mouth.
[14:55] <Pici> :*
[14:56] <bazhang> seems like a perfect storm of trolling
[14:57] <bazhang> whoa prescient
[15:01] <Pici> meh
[15:02] <Pici> I'm getting back to work, that channel is hurting my brain.
[15:02] <bazhang> heh
[16:22] <Gurke_> i disagree !
[16:23] <Gurke_> with bann
[16:23] <Pici> You've been in #ubuntu nearly every single day asking the same exact questions.  ~
[16:23] <Gurke_> ok sorry i am very soory
[16:23] <Gurke_> come back later okay
[17:38] <mymeatinyourseat> I just got banned while trying to IM a friend. can u please unban me??
[17:39] <en1gma> he was trying to pm me in #ubuntu and sent it to the channel
[17:43] <mneptok> en1gma: the ban was placed by jpds. i'll wait a bit for the original op before giving any opinion.
[17:44] <en1gma> ok basically he is new at linux and was trying to send me a pm saying it sucked but he just going through the growing pains
[17:44] <jpds> < ~mymeatinyourseat> en1gma, hey, en1gma. linnux fucking sucks, huh??
[17:44] <en1gma> that was supposed to be a pm
[17:44] <en1gma> he dont know irc
[17:44] <jpds> Troll detected regardless.
[17:44] <rww> mymeatinyourseat is not new at IRC, according to my logs.
[17:45] <en1gma> do you think it would be ok to lift ban because he would not be stupid enough to say that to the whole linux channel on purpose
[17:45] <en1gma> yea but if you could pull up the time he has used irc it would be very little
[17:46] <en1gma> is it just a 24hr ban or a perm ban
[17:46] <tsimpson> bans do not have a default expiry
[17:47] <en1gma> so the op has to put how long?
[17:47] <tsimpson> if someone wants the ban removed, they come here to ask
[17:47] <en1gma> ahh
[17:57] <mymeatinyourseat> can someone un ban me please
[17:57] <mymeatinyourseat> how can I get back in
[18:23] <Pici> Any thoughts about extending larstorben/gurke/whatever's bans to +1 or -offtopic?
[18:23] <rww> is that that jaaaaaaa person?
[18:23] <Pici> yes.
[18:23] <Pici> MAMALALA or whatever too.
[18:25] <rww> unless I'm missing some contributions to +1, I haven't seen anything problematic from them there. They're on their last chance in -ot anyway as far as I'm concerned.
[18:25] <topyli> i wouldlike mymeat to change the nick before re-joining ubuntu channels as well
[18:26] <rww> topyli: I agree, especially since they've said what it refers to in the past, so it's not somehow something inocuous
[18:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> where do I suggest factoids for Ubottu?
[18:26] <rww> TheEvilPhoenix: in PM with ubottu, or in here
[18:26] <Pici> In ubottu, she'll relay them to us for review.
[18:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> or should I say, factoid aliases
[18:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> Pici:  i'm unaware of the formatting :P
[18:27] <rww> @logout
[18:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> regardless of where I suggest a factoid, I am aware of the !pm factoid pertaining to privmsgs asking for help
[18:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> could we perhaps alias a !query factoid to that !pm factoid?
[18:27] <rww> huh, ubottu just ignores me if I'm not logged in. odd.
[18:27] <rww> @login
[18:27] <rww> !-query
[18:27] <rww> !query is <alias> pm
[18:27] <Pici> !query is <alias> pm
[18:27] <Pici> :(
[18:28] <rww> iwin
[18:28] <Pici> TheEvilPhoenix: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Aliasing_one_factoid_to_another
[18:28] <TheEvilPhoenix> Pici:  thanks for the link.  And thanks for creating the alias :)
[18:28] <TheEvilPhoenix> rww: ^
[18:28] <rww> no problem :)
[19:07] <Pici> Anyone else getting matches on "*!*oke@*" when they do a !bansearch recently?
[19:08] <rww> I did for crum, but that ban matches crum, so...
[19:08] <Pici> I remember getting it for some other search I did recently.
[19:08] <Pici> Oh, is that open already?
[19:08] <Tm_T> it's open already?
[19:08] <Tm_T> Pici: !!!111!!11!1§1
[19:08]  * Tm_T hides
[19:09] <tsimpson> apparently...
[19:09] <Pici> rww: What was that about?
[19:09] <rww> Pici: someone join/parted thrice
[19:09] <tsimpson> who opened -r-p?
[19:09] <rww> And I note that #u-r-p has been mentioned as open in here and -ops-team. You people need to read scrollback ;P
[19:10] <Tm_T> rww: ah, thanks
[19:10] <Pici> rww: thats fine, I must have just missed it.
[19:10] <tsimpson> ok, so who decided to open it? ;)
[19:19] <rww> Pici: our friend is back in #ubuntu+1 as klausklaussen, fyi
[19:40] <Pici> Ubuntu Love CD
[19:53] <rww> Pici: alrighty, I'm now +1 for banning them from +1
[19:56] <rww> and have done this
[19:59] <Pici> rww: I didn't even realize that Marika was them. :|
[19:59] <rww> now in -ot
[19:59] <rww> I'm going on my lunch break in 5 minutes, so have fun with that.
[19:59] <Pici> meh
[20:00] <rww> or I can op mc44 before I leave and let him deal with it. your choice.
[20:00] <rww> ;)
[21:06] <guntbert> fyi: DSSJJSDJDSJDDSAS] aka gurke trolling in #ubuntu+1
[22:30] <Pici> oh dear
[22:32] <rww> Did we unban ginbuntu yet?
[22:32] <ikonia> nope, he just ban dodged
[22:32] <ikonia> I'm going to request his cloak be removed
[22:43] <Flannel> Ooh, he's the best hacker!
[22:43] <genii-around> Heh
[22:43] <Flannel> Has the economy gotten that bad that people are resorting to spamming IRC channels for job postings?
[22:43] <Tm_T> idoru isn't reacting?
[22:43]  * rww hacks #ubuntu to be +R
[22:44] <rww> +r **
[22:44] <rww> Tm_T: yes it is
[22:44] <Flannel> Tm_T: Already happened
[22:44] <Tm_T> oh it did (:


[00:33] <kaltxi> Hey, I was in here earlier today and I was asking to see if i could get Na'vi supported. They said due to the lack of a unique ISO code it couldn't be and I should try and get it accepted in glibc. I looked in glibc and found klingon wasn't there upstream so I then looked in ubuntu and it seems to have a patch applied to locales. I'm wondering if Na'vi could? Something maybe like na_GB
[00:51] <Andre_Gondim> kaltxi, could you send mail to mail list asking this?
[00:52] <Andre_Gondim> kaltxi, see more here https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-translators
[00:55] <kaltxi> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 would it be better putting it there?
[07:25] <dpm> morning all
[12:47] <kaltxi> dpm I made another post on that question by the way.
[12:54] <dpm> hi kaltxi, sorry, I saw it this morning but didn't have the chance to reply. I've done it now
[12:55] <kelemengabor> hi dpm, any news on the missing Natty langpacks? update-manages still doesn't find anything :(
[12:56] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, sorry, not yet. I was in London working on another project last week (developer.ubuntu.com), and I didn't have the chance to contact the archive admins.
[12:57] <dpm> Let me try to do it tomorrow first thing in the morning
[12:57] <kelemengabor> okay
[12:57] <kaltxi> As for the ISO code could we just contrive one? nvi for example? I know nothing stops a language coming along and requesting that officially but how likely is that and even if that did happen we could change it?
[13:00] <dpm> kaltxi, yeah you could do that. We can help you, but you ultimately have to make the decision on which code to use and tell us. But before doing that, I'd recommend doing some research on whether 'nvi' is already in use, on whether someone has applied to add Na'vi to the ISO standard, and on whether someone has applied to the glibc developers
[13:00] <kaltxi> I think Dr. Frommer (the creator) made a request but failed to get his application in on time
[13:01] <dpm> kaltxi, then I'd suggest researching a bit on which code he was intending to use and on the status of the application
[13:01] <kaltxi> hmm, I'll see if i can find it out.
[13:01] <kaltxi> thanks!
[13:02] <dpm> kaltxi, no worries, happy to help. The more info we've got, the easier to find a solution
[13:13] <kaltxi> Nvi is definitely not taken
[13:19] <kaltxi> dpm looks like it was requested http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/cr_files/2011-035.pdf
[13:21] <dpm> kaltxi, if you could add this info on the support request, so that there is a record of it, that'd be really helpful
[13:21] <kaltxi> yep okay sure, is this enough or want me to keep researching?
[13:26] <kaltxi> okay well i replied :P
[14:06] <dpm> kaltxi, if you could add the link to the PDF, that'd be useful too
[14:07] <kaltxi> o yeh sorry gah im loosing it today
[14:08] <dpm> no worries :)


[06:38] <sohail> hi, can someone help me debug this guy https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/66337 , it used to work in dapper
[06:38] <sohail> after not working in hoary