[12:16] <DaSkreech> How goes the edgy merge?
[12:43] <allee> uniq: see /usr/share/autostart/kpowersave-autostart.desktop for an example 'not bounces' example
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Can I edit the entries for KDM?
[01:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:42] <DaSkreech> hi
[01:43] <bddebian> Hello DaSkreech
[02:43] <DaSkreech> Night all!
[02:43] <nixternal> nite
[02:43] <nixternal> a little early isn't it?
[02:43] <nixternal> guess not
[05:28] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee ;)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[08:04] <nixternal_> g'nite everyone
[10:35] <insanekane> how does one add more packages to the bug report ?
[10:35] <insanekane> currently, my bug report has only "Ubuntu" ... i want to add "Openoffice"
[10:35] <insanekane> err, i'm talking about launchpad here :)
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi insanekane
[10:36] <Hobbsee> insanekane: bug number?
[10:36] <insanekane> Hobbsee: the clipping thingy
[10:36] <insanekane> Hobbsee: 50771
[10:37] <insanekane> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[10:37] <Hobbsee> bug 50771
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50771
[10:37] <Hobbsee> ah yeah
[10:37] <Hobbsee> oh, right, you're kane as well
[10:37] <insanekane> yep
[10:37] <insanekane> no, i'm not kane ..
[10:37] <insanekane> kane is supposedly someone else :)
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm..some _kane was talking about tha tbug before
[10:38] <insanekane> Hobbsee: yes, thats me ... "kane_"
[10:39] <insanekane> the _ because I don't have "kane"
[10:39] <Hobbsee> anyway, you can change it from ubuntu as the source package, or just add a new group
[10:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:39] <insanekane> though, i thought I always was kane
[10:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: add a new group ?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> ie, choose the package it actually relates to
[10:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: yes, thats what i am unable to do ..
[10:40] <Hobbsee> er, sorry, as in, ubuntu is a group.  to add another, you hit add distrobution, mark teh distro as ubuntu, and choose the source package
[10:40] <Hobbsee> but i'd just click ubuntu, choose the source package, and reassign it there
[10:40] <insanekane> eh ... stupid webapps :P
[10:40] <insanekane> Hobbsee: thanks
[10:40] <Hobbsee> seeing as ubuntu is the generic i-dont-know-where-to-assign-this-package page.
[10:40] <Hobbsee> insanekane: not a problem
[10:49] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[10:54] <Riddell> hi mornfall
[10:54] <Riddell> err, hi Hobbsee
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe...
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: must not be terribly awake yet :P
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fixed kde, or is it still borked?
[10:54] <Riddell> I've not touched it so I expect the problem still exists whatever it is
[10:54] <Riddell> so I need to make lots of chroots to work out what's causing the problem
[10:55] <Hobbsee> hehe right
[11:26] <mornfall> hi
[11:26] <Riddell> hi mornfall
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, now you can say hi mornfall :P
[11:30] <mornfall> :-)
[12:51] <Riddell> hunger: you have a broken edgy?
[01:03] <Riddell> hi Mez
[01:03] <Riddell> Mez: do you know the current status of backports?
[01:04] <Mez> Riddell: I've no clue to be perfectly honest
[01:04] <Mez> why
[01:05] <Riddell> just wondering if it was working or not
[01:05] <Riddell> do you know who's inchage of it now?
[01:05] <Mez> me still, technically
[01:05] <Riddell> I think requests get given to ubuntu-archive but soyuz isn't yet able to process them
[01:06] <Mez> last I heard - adam was working on sorting that out to make it work properly... but yeah - they were just being listed as pending by soyuz last time I saw
[01:51] <imbrandon> morning everyone
[01:52] <Mez> mouth *
[01:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:52] <imbrandon> how go's it Mez
[01:52] <jpatrick> imbrandon: I think Mez went to pub last night
[01:52] <imbrandon> lol
[01:52] <Mez> jpatrick, i wish
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Mez!
[01:58] <jpatrick> Hobbsee!!!
[01:58] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick!  you've come out of your corner hey?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon :)
[01:59] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: i'm always in the corner
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:00] <imbrandon> jpatrick, has a laptop in the corner with him
[02:01] <imbrandon> and the sock i tossed over there i got from Mez ;)
[02:01] <Mez> Hobbsee!!! *huggles*
[02:01] <Hobbsee> *huggles Mez*
[02:02] <Mez> imbrandon, but! that was a special sock!
[02:03] <imbrandon> ohhhhh , runs and grabs it back before jpatrick claims it
[02:03] <Mez> maybe I should move to the country too
[02:03] <imbrandon> lol
[02:03] <Mez> if i had my little way, I'd eat peaches every day
[02:03] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[02:04] <jpatrick> Mez: nice taste you've got in music
[02:04] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[02:04] <Mez> jpatrick, of course :D
[02:04] <Mez> Riddell: we should have a kubuntu quotes database ;)
[02:04] <Riddell> could be dangerous
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Mez: oh dear, does that mean i'd be in most of them?
[02:05] <Mez> Riddell: but fun
[02:05] <Mez> Riddell: got DNS control over kubuntu.org ?
[02:05] <jpatrick> I can see it now: Quote #1: [14:04]  <Riddell> jpatrick: you're fired!
[02:10] <imbrandon> lol @ jpatrick or " imbrandon has left #kubuntu-devel ( Requested by Riddell ) "
[02:10] <Riddell> Mez: I don't
[02:10] <apokryphos> we should get the quote feature implemented into ubotu, he used to have it
[02:11] <imbrandon> or ubugtu probbly now since seveas took all the fun stuff out of ubotu
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can we still merge kde based stuff if kde isnt built yet?  isnt that kinda crazy?
[02:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-sync.html  <-- its a start atleaste
[02:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, me and jpatrick successfully built ( looks like the buildds did too looking at the log's ) kbfx last night
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: KDE is built, although it needs rebuilt
[02:13] <imbrandon> the core kde stuff is in
[02:13] <Mez> KDE4 ?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right....when will it be rebuilt?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Mez: no
[02:13] <imbrandon> Mez, 3.5.3
[02:13] <Mez> :'(
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: qt is being so now, I'll throw up kdelibs when that's done
[02:14] <Hobbsee> right
[02:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, how slow are those buildds machines heh , i looked at the kbfx log for the amd64 version and it took 13 minutes to build but takes less than 60 seconds on my box
[02:15] <imbrandon> or are they just bogged down most of the time with builds
[02:15] <jpatrick> imbrandon: i think it has multiple things building at once
[02:15] <imbrandon> ahh figured as much
[02:16] <imbrandon> anyhow jpatrick looks like it built fine on all arches ;)
[02:16] <imbrandon> ( is suprised lol )
[02:16] <jpatrick> imbrandon: and that's what counts
[02:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: setting up and taking down the chroot takes time
[02:17] <imbrandon> ahhh yea thats true it has to resetup for every build
[02:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: and it only looks for newly uploaded packages every hour then the move to archive job only runs every half hour
[02:18] <imbrandon> yea i was talking about the actual build time , but i dident think about the chroots
[02:19] <imbrandon> actualy i was look at the time LP reported " Built 2006-06-27 16:17:35 CDT by crested (amd64)  in 13 minutes " i'm assuming thats the actual build time ( but probbly setting up the chroot and all )
[02:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but you can still merge stuff locally
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: huh?
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you can build stuff find on your local machine
[02:29] <Riddell> s/find/fine/
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's true
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:51] <imbrandon> heh
[02:51] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: I'd hope so
[02:51] <ajmitch_> then you get to nag someone to upload :)
[02:51] <Mez> $DB->connect();
[02:51] <Mez> :wub:
[02:51] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch_
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: want the honours?  didnt know you were watching :P
[02:51] <ajmitch_> hey imbrandon
[02:51] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: I glance at the channels every so often
[02:52] <ajmitch_> in between coding
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: the dh_iconcache stuff in debhelper files didnt get included in debian unstable, did it?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> it was only cdbs, without a separate kde.mk?
[02:53] <ajmitch_> not that I know of
[02:54] <ajmitch_> but I haven't been following that closely
[02:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, probbly not ( dosent know for sure though )
[02:54] <Hobbsee> right
[02:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, if a package has NOCHANGE on ( https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates ) it will just get imported from dapper right ? no action required ?
[02:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: that means nothing needs to be done, the ubuntu version is newest upstream and newer than debian
[02:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: so yes it'll be imported from dapper
[02:56] <imbrandon> kk thats what i thought , thanks
[02:59] <Hobbsee> okay, i *think* i've avoided killing it.
[03:15] <jjesse> Riddell: can the image that is in the UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5 be made smaller?  it scrolls off my page
[03:15] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm trying to work out how to get it to just disply the URL in the wiki
[03:15] <jjesse> ah ok
[03:16] <jjesse> btw changed  KubuntuKioskProfiles to make the launchpad link work
[03:16] <Riddell> thanks
[03:17] <Hobbsee> crud, i cant spell.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> cant spell resynchronise.
[03:22] <Mez> Hobbsee, you just did
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Mez: yes, but i didnt in the changelog
[03:23] <Riddell> Mez: backports news is here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5
[03:26] <Mez> Riddell, huhu?
[03:26] <jjesse> announcment of backports for dapper being open
[03:27] <Mez> who made that ?
[03:27] <Mez> i wasnt aware
[03:27] <Riddell> Mez: you've not been online to be told
[03:27] <Mez> yet I have email, SMS :D
[03:29] <Riddell> looks like it's jdong's doing
[03:30] <Mez> more thgan likely - I'm happy with that though
[03:30] <Mez> he is after all my second in line
[04:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:09] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: how do i test if a deb is installable with pbuilder, or create a chroot?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You can either do a pbuilder login and install your deb in there or you can use a chroot.
[04:10] <bddebian> Getting the .deb into a pbuilder login can be fun sometimes :-)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: how do i do the former?
[04:10] <bddebian> I was using a local apt setup
[04:10] <bddebian> There is a wiki on it somewhere
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: okay, how do i create a chroot then?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[04:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about chroot
[04:11] <bddebian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepository
[04:13] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kdm-edgy_concept.png
[04:13] <kwwii> my first ideas
[04:13] <Riddell> kwwii: oooh!
[04:13] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice!
[04:14] <kwwii> it depends on the bg pic though...gotta find a nice one :-)
[04:14] <jjesse> that looks nice i like it
[04:14] <jjesse> so can i create a edgy virtual machine yet?
[04:15] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[04:15] <jsgotangco> oh my...that looks kubuntu yet gnomish?
[04:15] <jjesse> just install dapper and change the sources to edgy?
[04:15] <Riddell> although kde might be all broken
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought you'd fixed that?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> and is kde installable but broken, or not even installable?
[04:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: looks like qt is mostly compiled, I'll throw up kdelibs now
[04:16] <Riddell> it's installable but broken
[04:16] <Hobbsee> right
[04:20] <Hobbsee> might be worth upgrading to edgy, unless there's an easier way to do this.
[04:26] <Riddell> to do what?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to test that the package created while merging actually works.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> or are we not bothering to do that
[04:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: create an edgy chroot
[04:29] <Riddell> well, create a dapper one and dist-upgrade it
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i cant create a chroot, it wont let me!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/buildd
[04:30] <Hobbsee> i'd like to do it thru pbuilder, cos then it's clean every time, but cant seem to figure out how to, and the documentation it is either hidden, non-existant, or crap.
[04:31] <Riddell> mkdir edgy; sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd dapper edgy/
[04:31] <jjesse> what about the packaging guide does it help you?
[04:31] <Riddell> sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/ edgy/apt/sources.list
[04:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not that i saw
[04:35] <jjesse> Hobbsee: then it should be updated to help out
[04:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it should
[04:36] <jjesse> ping laserjock he wrote it
[04:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: particularly a section to check if a deb is actually installable, that you've created with pbuilder.
[04:37] <jjesse> to get an edgy virtual machine running is it best to install dapper and then change the sources to edgy or is there a download for it yet?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: dist upgrade, i believe
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for these syncs, are you preferring uploads to revu, or diffs between the latest debian, and latest ubuntu?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> s/syncs/merges
[04:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: uploads to revu
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[04:43] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Bah, just upload to edgy ;-)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i'm *so* tempted - the fact that kde is broken has stopped me so far.
[04:46] <Riddell> bddebian: Hobbsee doesn't have upload right yet unless I missed something
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[04:46] <Hobbsee> misread that
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm thinking about going for them eventually though.
[04:46] <bddebian> Riddell: So give them to her :)
[04:47] <bddebian> Hell if they trust me to upload, they should trust anyone ;-P
[04:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: next tech board meeting is at 6am.  and we all know how great i am at mornings.
[04:48] <jjesse> umm not great???
[04:48] <jjesse> :P
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[04:49] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mind you, it's almost one am, and i'm still wide awake.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i think i should be doing uni by night :P
[04:50] <jjesse> well go to bed
[04:50] <Hobbsee> that'll just send me insanely mad.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> okay, first merge is uploading.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: feel like uploading for me?
[05:02] <jjesse> Riddell: the link to the photo is not correct on the Newsletter
[05:06] <Riddell> jjesse: well I don't know how to include the link and not have it displayed inline
[05:07] <jjesse> wierd
[05:07] <jjesse> the key sure is nice to put faces on people you talk to online :)
[05:08] <Riddell> sladen should do an imagemapped version at some point
[05:08] <jjesse> awesome
[05:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Is it Universe?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yep
[05:09] <bddebian> Sure
[05:09] <Hobbsee> yay!
[05:10] <Riddell> _Sime: have you filled in your half term mentor application?  http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it's ksudoku, it's on revu
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, it uploaded, right now i cnat see it.
[05:14] <bddebian> Aye, I don't see it yet either
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: revu updates every 5 min, right?
[05:15] <bddebian> I thought so
[05:15] <Hobbsee> thta's what i thought too.  it's been about 15.
[05:24] <jjesse> 222 packages when i change my sources to edgy :)
[05:24] <imbrandon> heh i have a edgy chroot and a edgy pbuilder ( broke atm ) and a edgy vmware image
[05:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> wow
[05:25] <imbrandon> not quite ready to run it full on till kde starts up clean ;)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: does it work though?  :P
[05:26] <jjesse> Hobbsee: still updating :)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe right
[05:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, my vmware machine "works" but kde is unable to start atm
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm right
[05:26] <imbrandon> and its updated upto the minute so far, dist-upgraded a few times
[05:26] <imbrandon> but console login works ok
[05:26] <imbrandon> and gnome works ok
[05:27] <Hobbsee> bleh.  yeah
[05:27] <Hobbsee> gnome :(
[05:27] <imbrandon> just no kdm / kde atm
[05:27] <imbrandon> heheh yea thats what i said, i oped to use consoel on edgy till kde works lol
[05:28] <jjesse> hmmm lots of errors on perl
[05:28] <imbrandon> but i have a feeling Riddell is feverishly getting ti done ( seen lots of changes on the list lately )
[05:28] <Hobbsee> true
[05:28] <jjesse> is there a log of an update?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> he probably knows he'll get shot if he doesnt fix it soonish :P
[05:28] <Hobbsee> jjesse: edgychanges list?
[05:28] <jjesse> on my local box
[05:28] <imbrandon> jjesse, not sure you can make one >> log.txt etc
[05:29] <jjesse> cause everything that has perl in it is giving errors about the local language
[05:29] <imbrandon> jjesse, honestly its very broken atm though not much good except to fix things
[05:29] <imbrandon> jjesse, chroot ?
[05:29] <Riddell> imbrandon: you'll need to wait for the new kdelibs and kdebase before it'll work
[05:29] <jjesse> virtual machine
[05:30] <jjesse> dist-upgraded from dapper
[05:30] <imbrandon> jjesse, export LANG=C
[05:30] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea
[05:30] <imbrandon> i figured as much was just givin ya some room
[05:30] <imbrandon> workin with the chroot atm to do things, and testing in vm once in a while
[05:31] <imbrandon> chroots are a beuitifull thing ;)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> when they work, and are documented.
[05:32] <imbrandon> chroots are documented well, not pbuilders ummm lol
[05:33] <imbrandon> other than it rebuilds the chroot every time its used
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pbuilder docs arent bad for most things...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's pretty much that.  run pdebuild with a few switches in the source dir, it grabs the deps it needs, it builds, it signs at the end
[05:35] <imbrandon> chroots are too as long as you rember that its not ubuntu specific, look at the debian / gentoo doc's and mesh them all ;)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> just update it every once in a while
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ditto pbuilder
[05:35] <Hobbsee> debian doc for pbuilder is pretty good
[05:35] <imbrandon> yea
[05:36] <imbrandon> i'll get my edgy pbuilder to work later , actualy i got a good start on it ( built a dapper one, just need to figure out how to update the base.tgz to edgy heh )
[05:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: separate config files
[05:37] <imbrandon> yea  have a sep edgy one
[05:37] <imbrandon> but afaik ytou have ato start with dapper and upgrade it as there isnt a debootstrap for edgy yet
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's not hard
[05:38] <Hobbsee> copy dapper info over, except the config file, then change the sources list, then dist-upgrade
[05:38] <Hobbsee> that's the thing i've had *least* troubles with
[05:38] <imbrandon> thats where i'm at atm , but i'll fix it later, might prod ya when you wake up tomarrow ( after some wakin up ofcourse hehe )
[05:39] <imbrandon> yea thats how i build me edgy chroots ( just dist upgrade dapper ones )
[05:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure
[05:40] <imbrandon> so you going for TB heheh /me runs
[05:40] <imbrandon> err s/TB/MOTU
[05:41] <imbrandon> worst can happen is they say go forth and practice some more
[05:41] <imbrandon> really
[05:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, but...i dont like hearing that
[05:41] <imbrandon> true
[05:42] <Hobbsee> i dont really have trouble with getting uploaders, except when it's late at night.
[05:43] <imbrandon> prod ajmitch_ and Riddell and bddebian and a few other MOTU's that do uploads for you konw and ask them honest opinions if you should
[05:43] <imbrandon> s/konw/now
[05:44] <imbrandon> i think you should too, and honestly the opinion of your MOTU sponsors will carry good weight i think
[05:44] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[05:44] <imbrandon> like bddebian ;)
[05:44] <jpatrick> that rules me out
[05:45] <bddebian> imbrandon: My opinion is worthless
[05:45] <Hobbsee> bddebian: rubbish.
[05:49] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: cmake can be synced from debian, shall we poke it into main?
[05:49] <OdyX> anybody using knode succesfully on Dapper here ?
[05:50] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: I don't think it'll get into main unless something depends on it
[05:50] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: but all kde4 stuff will need it
[05:51] <Riddell> there isn't going to be kde 4 stuff in main either
[05:52] <freeflying-g4> okey
[06:10] <hunger> could somebody please fix kdelibs in edgy?
[06:10] <hunger> Whenever I upgrade that deb all the kde apps fail to start:-(
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hunger: no, we plan to leave it broken till release :P
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hunger: i believe Riddell is workign on it
[06:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: Fine with me... one more reason to try some other distribution:-)
[06:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: Great! Then it won't take too long to get fixed:-)
[06:12] <Riddell> hunger: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2 "Currently building"
[06:12] <hunger> Riddell: PERFECT!
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: woot!  nice work!
[06:14] <Hobbsee> argh, how's it 2.15 already?
[06:14] <bddebian> Night Hobbsee.  I'll try to fix my pbuilder
[06:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: cool, thanks :)
[06:15] <Riddell> so if it's still broken, bad luck!
[06:15] <Riddell> (where holiday means going to the Canonical office and doing a talk on kubuntu)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what holiday?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> ooh, fun
[06:15] <Riddell> UKUUG
[06:16] <Hobbsee> so they get to whinge at you about a broken kdelibs?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> in english?
[06:16] <Riddell> yes
[06:16] <Riddell> UK Unix Users Group
[06:16] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: would you like upload skim for me. it's here http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/s/skim
[06:16] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: put it on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates and I'll get round to it in a bit
[06:17] <Hobbsee> shit!!!!!
[06:17] <Hobbsee> on that note, i'm going to bed.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> bloody freenode.
[06:20] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I got something that might help you getting to sleep
[06:20] <jpatrick> really?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> dunno - chanserv went down
[06:21] <jpatrick> it was just shut down for a sec
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[06:22] <hunger> Hobbsee: Now the attackers even start to do announcements:-)
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh
[06:23] <hunger> That reminds me of that usb-stick trick a security consultant company did at a customers site.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> okay, night all
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:26] <Hobbsee> i think
[06:34] <nixternal> moins all around
[06:35] <bddebian> Hello nixternal
[06:36] <nixternal> well hello there this beautiful day ;)
[06:39] <bddebian> go Riddell go :-)
[06:44] <nixternal> wow.. Riddell is comitting like a mad man ;)
[06:47] <Riddell> they'll all get stuck in dep-wait
[06:52] <jjesse> wow what an intersting slash screen starting up my edgy virtual machine :)
[06:52] <Riddell> jjesse: hmm?
[06:53] <imbrandon> heh ( if you notice on te ubuntu-devel list ) its a test screen
[06:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, the usplash image
[06:53] <Riddell> got a screenshot?
[06:53] <imbrandon> yea one sec
[06:53] <jjesse> sure i can get a screenshot
[06:55] <jjesse> do you just want me to email it to you?
[06:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png
[06:56] <Riddell> mm, nice
[06:56] <jjesse> imbrandon: is that windows you are running or just themed to look like windows?
[06:57] <bddebian> xpde? :-)
[06:57] <imbrandon> jjesse, a half royale half polyester kde theme
[06:57] <jjesse> it looks really nice
[06:58] <imbrandon> the full royale theme ( kde ) is screen shot here http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png
[06:58] <imbrandon> ^^ that one looks better
[06:58] <jjesse> i like it
[06:58] <imbrandon> bddebian, nope kde ;)
[06:59] <imbrandon> jjesse, http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/kubuntu-howtos/setting-up-the-royale-theme/
[06:59] <imbrandon> cuz so many ask how i set it up lol
[07:00] <jjesse> can you take virtual machines you created in vm workstation in windows and use them in vmplayer thru kubuntu?
[07:00] <imbrandon> yea
[07:00] <imbrandon> just needs the files from the vm dir , no changes have to be made
[07:00] <imbrandon> the vmx vmdk etc
[07:01] <jjesse> thinking about formating my drive and installing kubuntu but don't know for sure
[07:01] <imbrandon> hehe just format it use kubuntu and my royale theme to make it look like windows and then wine for what win apps you need ( or vmware ) hehe
[07:02] <imbrandon> ^^ its what i do ;) heh
[07:02] <jjesse> is there a vm workstation for linux?
[07:02] <kane__> Riddell: do you remember when I had made a small change in a package and sent you the diff ? If you don't mind, could you explain the steps again ? I would like to submit more changes ...
[07:02] <imbrandon> actualy the ONLY windows app i must have is PS and it runs great in wine
[07:03] <jjesse> hmm there is so i can use my licenses for vm workstation to run it
[07:03] <nixternal> gimp > ps
[07:03] <jjesse> nice
[07:03] <imbrandon> kane__, i can help you do that if he is busy
[07:03] <kane__> imbrandon: yes please :)
[07:03] <kane__> imbrandon: basically, he had given me some steps ..
[07:04] <kane__> i believe i first made the change
[07:04] <kane__> then did something like 'dch -i' or something
[07:04] <kane__> i dont really remember the steps
[07:05] <Riddell> kane__: which part do you need explained
[07:06] <Riddell> kane__: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc is the final step
[07:06] <kane__> Riddell: i dont remember the exact steps performed
[07:06] <kane__> 'dch -i' is the first right ?
[07:07] <kane__> that adds a changelog entry if I am not mistaken
[07:07] <kane__> after that ?
[07:07] <Riddell> kane__: apt-get source foo; cd foo-<tab>; make changes; dch -i  (adds changelog); debuild (test build); debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[07:08] <Riddell> jpatrick: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2399
[07:08] <kane__> Riddell: great thanks
[07:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: why would it need ${shlibs:Depends} ?
[07:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: dunno but the debian says they were added
[07:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: if there's a reason we don't have them that's fine but I can't think of one
[07:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: because kmplayer deps on kmplayer-base which has ${shlibs:Depends}
[07:15] <Riddell> uniq: kio-apt at U.L.N is out of sync with dapper
[07:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: kmplayer-konq-plugins also needs it
[07:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: but there's no reason not to have it on all packages
[07:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: but that deps on kmplayer-base too
[07:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: it also has its own .so files
[07:17] <Riddell> which may have other dependencies
[07:18] <Riddell> or they may not but shlibs:Depends will be a better judge than human eye
[07:18] <jpatrick> ok, shlibs:Depends for all
[07:18] <Riddell> yay!
[07:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: done and reuploaded
[07:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[07:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: hi
[07:57] <imbrandon> heya wth does this mean .... never seen it before
[07:57] <imbrandon> configure: error: *** You need the Standard C Math Library to build Libvisual.
[07:57] <imbrandon> ahh heya robotgeek
[07:57] <imbrandon> yea he is compiling libvis on ppc ( compile fine on x86 and x86_64 )
[07:57] <robotgeek> i have build-essential installed too
[07:58] <imbrandon> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yiiDgg35.html
[07:58] <robotgeek> once again, i throw spanners in the work
[07:59] <imbrandon> nah robotgeek this would have to be taken care of becouse i'm trying to get it in the repo ;)
[07:59] <imbrandon> heh
[08:29] <allee> jpatrick: 0.9.2a was uploaded yesterday to debian.[Pkg-kde-extras]  kmplayer_0.9.2a-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED
[08:29] <allee> jpatrick: changelog looks like you merged with 0.9.2
[08:42] <jpatrick> allee: ah, great
[08:44] <allee> jpatrick: changes are minimal. beside changelog, TODO was added to debian/docs
[08:45] <jpatrick> allee: ok, I'll merge later
[09:19] <jjesse> if i see a change hit edgy-updates does that mean it is automatically available for an update?
[09:21] <Lure> jjesse: it means that source was uploaded - it needs to be build and the published (every hour or so)
[09:23] <jjesse> Lure: thanks, didn't know :)
[09:23] <Lure> jjesse: you can follow build queue here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds
[09:26] <jjesse> thanks again Lure
[09:26] <jjesse> did'nt even know about it
[09:27] <Lure> jjesse: that is why we have irc - to learn every day ;-)
[09:28] <jjesse> Lure: does that page refresh? like if i'm looking at all the packages building does it autoupdate when a package is done?
[09:29] <Lure> jjesse: I would not know, but you probably do not need to check too often as builds of each package take at least some minutes (due to chroot environment)
[09:29] <Lure> I think there is also some page for build farm, but cannot recall url now... ;-)
[09:29] <jjesse> lure: i noticed that was just curious :0  this is the first time i've followed the development so closely so its new to me
[09:30] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[09:30] <Lure> jjesse: yes, this LP is cool in terms of transparency of what is going on...
[09:31] <jjesse> i wonder how they came up with the names for the machines?
[09:32] <Lure> jjesse: that is always interesting, particularly if you have a huge number of machines to name ;-)
[09:32] <jjesse> i know, just curious though
[09:33] <Lure> jjesse: I was just reading your Laptop testing thread
[09:33] <Lure> I think the diff is not that big, but still needs special handling
[09:33] <jjesse> yeah?
[09:33] <jjesse> i think there needsto be more love for kubuntu and laptops
[09:33] <Lure> we probably need to start with better, KDE specific docs for testers
[09:34] <jjesse> want to write them?
[09:34] <Lure> jjesse: love, for sure; but spliting test pages is probably not optimal (even though I did it for nw8240 on request of initial author)
[09:35] <Lure> jjesse: I will probably start with a page for laptop buttons (as I plan to work on kmilo to address KubuntuLaptopButtons spec)
[09:36] <jjesse> cool
[09:36] <Lure> jjesse: but it looks general consensus in wiki is to have joint page with KDE/GNOME/Xfce specific noted
[09:36] <Lure> problem is only that KDE way is not always documented and therefore it looks like GNOME-only page
[09:36] <jjesse> Lure: but not always like that in the documents see Kubuntu Desktop Guide and Gnome Desktop Guide
[09:37] <Lure> jjesse: true, documentation is different, as you read it as book and the focus is on desktop
[09:38] <froud> hi
[09:38] <Lure> = almost everything is DE specific
[09:38] <froud> Does kubuntu install koffice and firefox by default? Or is this something that must be installed afterwards
[09:39] <Lure> froud: no, OOo and Konqueror
[09:39] <Lure> just do "sudo apt-get install koffice firefox"
[09:39] <Lure> both are also on CD (afair)
[09:39] <froud> Lure OK thanks. BTW why not KOffice
[09:41] <Lure> froud: I think it is due to the fact that OOo is more widely recognized and KOffice is still lacking in some areas - but Riddell is the right person to answer that
[09:41] <froud> OK thx
[09:41] <Lure> But 1.5.x is quite improved, so I also use it more and more (and less OOo)
[09:44] <_Sime> Riddell: ping
[09:50] <allee> jjesse: amu once wrote a checklist at least to verify common desktop task.  Ask him if the checklist also cover laptop specifica.
[10:00] <allee> Lure: ^^ didn't notice that you plan to write the list ;)
[10:01] <Lure> allee: more like debugging tips for testers of laptop keys ;-)
[10:02] <allee> Lure: fwiw: Maybe the laptop testing stuff can search column  that below the distro is split into "G|K|X"
[10:02] <Lure> allee: or CategoryLaptopKubuntu on page?
[10:03] <allee> adding an extra Gnome KDE and Xfce table at the end which covers features special to a DE
[10:03] <jjesse> for the laptops that i tested i did a new page /Kubuntu under the main page
[10:03] <Lure> allee: that would make sense, as it would be very clear what was used - or at least make this part of table repeatable and cleary specified
[10:03] <allee> Lure: I assume it's easier to check for general, DE specific regressions if they are on one page
[10:04] <allee> jjesse: I know.  I get an e-mail for every page with Kubuntu in the name ;)
[10:04] <Lure> allee: ;-) - same here
[10:05] <jjesse> nice
[10:05] <allee> argl. shit (maybe ;)
[10:05] <Lure> allee: I actually picked it up after you (when I noticed that every updated of *Kubuntu* page have you as subscriber ;-)
[10:05] <Lure> s/updated/update/
[10:06] <allee> i have changed .*[Kk] ubuntu.* to Kubuntu.


[06:31] <tonyplee> Hello, Ubuntu for ARM is for ARM cpu without vfp, right?
[06:33] <Stskeeps> >= armv5 in jaunty, >= armv6+vfp in karmic i believe
[06:35] <tonyplee> I'm using jaunty and would like to rebuild some packages with vfp.
[06:36] <tonyplee> Right now, I use set up the gcc with vfp than do the "apt-get -b source pkg-name"
[06:36] <tonyplee> Is that a good way to do it?
[20:23] <ogra> ok
[20:23] <lool> ogra: So, cdimage - debian-cd - livecd-rootfs
[20:24] <lool> ogra: Do we know for sure what works and what's broken with the new kernel names
[20:24] <ogra> i dont get any kernel/initrd spit out from livecd-rootfs
[20:24] <ogra> thats a fact
[20:24] <ogra> ogra@antimony:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu/ports_daily-live/live$ ls armel*
[20:24] <ogra> armel+imx51.manifest  armel+imx51.manifest-desktop  armel+imx51.squashfs
[20:25] <lool> Ok I'm kicking a livecd-rootfs build on my babbage2
[20:25] <ogra> i just did one
[20:25] <ogra> make sure to set -aarmel and -simx51
[20:25] <ogra> i missed -aarmel
[20:26] <lool> sudo livecd.sh -a armel -s imx51 -d karmic ubuntu
[20:26] <lool> I thought it defaulted to your arch though
[20:26] <ogra> it does but doesnt use it in the naming somehow
[20:26] <lool> ogra: Did we confirm that apart of that debian-cd or cdimage would be working?
[20:27] <ogra> livecd.ubuntu-imx51.initrd, livecd.ubuntu-imx51.initrd-babbage, livecd.ubuntu-imx51.kernel, livecd.ubuntu-imx51.kernel-babbage, livecd.ubuntu-imx51.manifest, ivecd.ubuntu-imx51.manifest-desktop, livecd.ubuntu-imx51.sort and livecd.ubuntu-imx51.squashfs is what i get with my local build
[20:27] <lool> But you dont on the buildds?
[20:28] <ogra> right
[20:28] <ogra> on antimony i end up with armel+imx51.manifest  armel+imx51.manifest-desktop  armel+imx51.squashfs
[20:28] <ogra> no kernel, no initramfs
[20:28] <ogra> its definately a livecd-rootfs issue
[20:31] <lool> ogra: I do see the kernel and initrd
[20:32] <ogra> on antimony ?
[20:32] <lool> livecd.ubuntu-imx51.kernel livecd.ubuntu-imx51.kernel-babbage livecd.ubuntu-imx51.initrd livecd.ubuntu-imx51.initrd-babbage
[20:32] <lool> On the buildd
[20:32] <ogra> you can access manoao ?
[20:32] <lool> Yes
[20:32] <lool> Just like you BTW
[20:32] <ogra> oh, i didnt know we can
[20:33]  * ogra never tried, i thought that was an infinity privilege :)
[20:33] <lool> ogra: So what the error you get from debian-cd?
[20:33] <ogra> no error, i dont even get any logs :/
[20:34] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/ubuntu/latest/ has a log from a week ago
[20:34] <lool> Ok I'm kicking a cdimage build to see what's happening
[20:35] <lool> ogra: The livefs build log was current when I checked
[20:35] <lool> ogra: You need to use ubuntu-imx51 not ubuntu
[20:36] <ogra> urgh
[20:36] <lool> No script to make CDs bootable for armel ...
[20:36] <lool> hmm
[20:36] <lool> oh right need to update my script for imx51
[20:37] <ogra> sadly it doesnt have any echo for the kernel copying stuff
[20:37] <ogra> we should add something
[20:37] <ogra> but right, i see manoao has the livecd.ubuntu-imx51.initrd and livecd.ubuntu-imx51.kernel
[20:43] <lool> ogra: I get it to download but it fails subsequently
[20:43] <ogra> lool, see -release
[20:43] <ogra>         kernel|initrd)
[20:43] <ogra>                 for flavour in $FLAVOURS; do
[20:43] <ogra>                         echo "$LIVECD/$DIST/$LIVEPROJECT/current/livecd.$LIVEPROJECT.$ITEM-$flavour"
[20:43] <ogra>                 done
[20:43] <ogra>                 ;;
[20:43] <ogra> from bin/find-live-filesystem on cdimage
[21:37] <lool> ogra: Mind pinging when you boot the image?
[21:37] <ogra> lool, will do
[21:38] <ogra> i need to find some food as well ... i'm sick and up since 14h (with a 2h nap)
[21:38] <ogra> rsync says it still has 40min to go
[21:39] <rjune_wrk> ogra: you're up late.
[21:39] <ogra> rjune_wrk, alpha release
[21:41] <rjune_wrk> ah, so forced march, eh?
[22:27] <lool> ogra: Got the image?
[22:28] <ogra> yes, dding since 10min
[22:28] <ogra> not sure why it takes so long
[22:34] <lool> image boots for me on 2.5
[22:34] <lool> GrueMaster: ^
[22:34] <lool> There's an odd output in casper: "stdin: error 0" in a loop
[22:35] <lool> Unable to find medium containing a live file system
[22:37] <ogra> same here
[22:37] <lool> I see a /dev/mmcblk0p2 and can mount it and see /casper/filesystem.squashfs in it
[22:38] <ogra> but intrestingly USB works
[22:38] <ogra> which shouldnt
[22:41] <lool> The problem is the UUID of the device
[22:41] <ogra> i see it also loading FEC
[22:41] <lool> It doesn't match the one in /conf/uuid.conf
[22:41] <ogra> which isnt supposed to work either
[22:42] <lool> ogra: Sorry?
[22:42] <ogra> amitk didnt include a properly working USB driver nor a working NIC driver (FEC)
[22:42] <ogra> neither of them is supposed to work
[22:43] <ogra> still i can use my USB kbd and see the FEC driver being loaded in dmesg
[22:47]  * ogra changes the uuid
[22:48] <ogra> gah, cant just change the one in /.disk
[22:49] <ogra> lool, you did a ful rebuild ?
[22:49] <ogra> not only a debian-cd one
[22:49] <ogra> (including a fresh livefs)
[22:50] <ogra> grmbl any why do we end up with initrd.lz
[22:50] <lool> ogra: New livefs was't needed
[22:51] <ogra> it writes the uuid newly
[22:51] <ogra> debian-cd should grab the uuid from the vfat partition (at least it did before)
[22:52] <ogra> great, now how do i edit an lz file :/
[22:53]  * ogra is really nearly falling over i have fever since the afternoon and the coughing doesnt get better, why the heck do we need to change everything at the same time in that darn image
[22:55] <ogra> gar and lzcat tells me unknown suffix
[23:20] <ogra> lool, so whats the plan ?
[23:24]  * ogra would really prefer to wait until we have a properly named kernel and dont end u with a mix of -babbage and -imx51 bits in the image
[23:25] <lool> ogra: For A4?
[23:25] <lool> My plan is go ot bed
[23:25] <lool> I filed the kernel blocker
[23:25] <ogra> ++


[09:23] <oier> Hi, I have a question about suggestions in Launchpad
[09:23] <oier> it seems that when you modify a translation, Launchpad suggests both terms(the old no more existing translation and the modified one) in other packages
[09:25] <oier> for example in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kde-workspace/+pots/kwin-effects/eu/10/+translate there are several suggestions from Ibai Oihanguren made in the same package, but that string(https://translations.launchpad.net/docky/2.1/+pots/docky/eu/166/+translate) has only one translation there
[09:28] <oier> is it a bug on Launchpad?
[09:34] <oier> by the the the link on the suggestions page is also wrong because it link to string nº 174 in docky-core eventhough it is actually the 166
[09:38] <dpm> I believe the wrong suggestion number is a known bug
[09:38] <dpm> and the other one happens because old translations are hidden from the template where they were superseded, but they are still on the database and show up as global suggestions in all other templates
[09:39] <oier> and can't they be deleted?
[09:39] <dpm> afaik, they can't
[09:41] <oier> the problem is that when you correct the translation and the uncorrected one gets suggestes, this one can propagate through other packages
[09:43] <oier> if the at the beginning a was translated as b, but then corrected to c. People who translate other packages will get b and c as suggestions and maybe chose the uncorrect option
[09:56] <oier> should we fill a bug for this?
[10:00] <dpm> oier, I think there is one already, but it might be a good idea to file one if there isn't
[10:01] <dpm> well, two bugs, one for each issue
[10:02] <oier> against Launchpad?
[10:08] <dpm> oier, yes
[10:11] <head_victim> dpm: when you get a chance, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/170787 - tl;dr version is the translation team owner appears absent, an active contributor (hall of famer - sagaci) wants to take up the challenge of rejuvenating the team. Is there anything else we need to do or show?
[10:14] <dpm> head_victim, could you add your +1 on sagaci taking over the team? Just adding a reply to the question will do
[10:14] <dpm> then I'll assign it to the LP admins to make the change
[10:14] <head_victim> dpm: no worries, wasn't sure if that was appropriate so I'll make it so.
[10:15] <dpm> head_victim, yeah, is just a sanity check, to ensure other members of the team agree
[10:15] <dpm> and that there is record of it
[10:16] <dpm> head_victim, let me know as soon as you've had the chance to reply, and then I'll assign the support request to the admins
[10:16] <head_victim> Writing it now
[10:19] <head_victim> Comment added, let me know if that's appropriate or more detail is required.
[10:24] <dpm> head_victim, that should be all, thanks. It may take a day or two, but the admins will now take care of transferring sagaci the ownership
[10:24] <head_victim> dpm: thanks, a day or two will be more than quick enough.
[10:24] <dpm> excellent :)
[10:24] <head_victim> he's really taken on a lot of work on that translations so it's good reward
[10:25] <dpm> that's awesome
[10:25] <dpm> looking forward to hear more from the Australian team!
[10:26] <dpm> kelemengabor, do you happen to know where the "Recovery Console" and "User Defined Session" strings can be translated? They appear on the login screen, if one tries to choose a login session
[10:26] <kelemengabor> dpm: yep, there is even a bug with a bitrotting patch about it
[10:27] <kelemengabor> bug #542068 is it
[10:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 542068 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Missing translations for "xterm failsafe session" (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542068
[10:27] <kelemengabor> so, the strings are not translatable, but they could be made so
[10:28] <dpm> looking at the bug now...
[10:31] <dpm> kelemengabor, do you happen to know how the handling of those strings with lightdm has changed?
[10:31] <kelemengabor> no - aren't they still in gdm?
[10:33] <dpm> I'm not sure if we're using gdm at all. My hope is that lightdm uses them directly and thus we have a better chance of getting someone to look at merging the change to lightdm
[10:35] <dpm> it seems to still be gdm which installs those files
[10:36] <kelemengabor> indeed:
[10:36] <kelemengabor> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/xterm.desktop
[10:36] <kelemengabor> gdm: /usr/share/xsessions/xterm.desktop
[11:11] <head_victim> dpm: sagaci is actually looking at driving a localised iso here as well ;)
[11:11] <dpm> brilliant :)
[11:11] <head_victim> I'm going to try and gee up the artistic people in the team for desktops and stuff like that. Get everyone involved.
[15:36] <kelemengabor> eeek... bug 512395 became wontfix in LO :(
[15:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512395 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Libreoffices .desktop files do not contain translation domain info (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 9)" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512395
[15:53] <dpm> kelemengabor, in openoffice, the task is still open for libreoffice, luckily
[16:19] <kelemengabor> dpm: okay, then I calm down :)
[16:21] <kelemengabor> dpm: one more question, why are the iso-codes domains exposed in Ubuntu translations, if we write on the
[16:21] <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline page:
[16:21] <kelemengabor> ISO Codes: Please translate upstream, we will only sync from Debian and won't use the translations from Launchpad directly.
[16:21] <kelemengabor> I just don't see the point :(
[16:26] <dpm> kelemengabor, let me come back to you in a few mins, on a call right now
[16:41] <kelemengabor> also, about bug #542068: gdm was moved to universe recently, so we might just give up hope for this
[16:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 542068 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Missing translations for "xterm failsafe session" (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542068
[17:19] <dpm> bummer!
[17:20] <dpm> let's talk about it tomorrow, I need to go now. I'll do some more prodding on #ubuntu-devel
[19:46] <jsjgruber_xchat> For a python/glade package using distutils-extra, what command should I use to generate an updated .pot file? Someone said to use python setup.build_i18n  -p  but that doesn't seem to be valid by itself. Alone or with the -m option do seem to work, but I don't know if I should use one of those.


[01:03] <RudeTux> hi all
[01:03] <RudeTux> ~
[01:03] <RudeTux> i'm seeking some help for mythbuntu
[01:03] <RudeTux> i want to install and boot it from an external hd
[01:04] <RudeTux> but i dont know how to do this
[01:05] <RudeTux> i would be running mythbuntu in my htpc hd and the frontend on the external hd
[01:05] <RudeTux> if someone could help me in this i would be very apreciatted
[01:08] <RudeTux> i forgot to mention that this is my first contact with mythbuntu and that i am using ubuntu not for about 3 years
[01:10] <mycosys> so what are you trying to do, and what is the problem?
[01:12] <RudeTux> i tried to install mythbuntu on my ext hd from a win7 laptop (lame) using universal usb installer and the iso, but when all is done i reboot the laptop to try and boot the hd but an error message just keeps appearing
[01:13] <RudeTux> something like boot whatevr missing, press ctrl del to reboot
[01:14] <RudeTux> from what i googled there seems to be missing some OS boot files
[01:15] <RudeTux> but i dont know how to solve this one
[01:15] <RudeTux> :/
[01:15] <RudeTux> win 7 sux so bad
[01:15] <RudeTux> lol
[01:18] <RudeTux> the question is, am i doing the right thing to install mythubuntu in my external hd or is there any other procedure?
[01:19] <mycosys> depends on your laptop - but what you definitely ARE doing VERY wrong is :
[01:20] <mycosys> (10:13:50 AM) RudeTux: something like boot whatevr missing, press ctrl del to reboot
[01:20] <mycosys> how the heck can we help you with no information?
[01:24] <RudeTux> heheh you are right but to help more i would need to reset my laptop (wich i am using for mirc right now). i'm positive the info is a very comon one on vista and 7 "boot files missing, please press ctl+alt+del to reboot"
[01:26] <RudeTux> i seached that this is sometinh related to dual boot
[01:26] <RudeTux> dont know if i'm right
[01:28] <RudeTux> but for know i would only be doing the instalation of mythbuntu in my ext hd from this laptop
[01:28] <RudeTux> the ext hd would be conected to my htpc wich would be also using mythbuntu
[01:31] <RudeTux> i formated both my ext hd and htpc hd (both fat32) and would be doing the instalation on both from my laptop because i dont have any other pc at home
[01:33] <RudeTux> both my htpc and laptop dont have any cd or dvd drive, because i curently cant aford one for my htpc and cause my laptop didnt bring one,that's why i'm instaling it this way
[01:35] <RudeTux> so if someone could explain me how to properly install mythbuntu in a external hd in way it is fully bootable, that would be a start
[01:35] <RudeTux> (sorry for extending myself)
[03:03] <tgm4883> does anyone have a new (not upgraded) Mythbuntu 11.04 install and can check something for me?
[03:03] <tgm4883> I would like to know output of
[03:04] <tgm4883> ls -l /var/lib/mythtv/
[03:06] <dmfrey> anyone seeing slow channel lock with hdpvr on 10.10 or 11.04?
[03:11] <tgm4883> dmfrey, i'm got an hdpvr on 10.04.2, but I don't use livetv
[03:11] <tgm4883> I don't think it has slow lock
[03:13] <dmfrey> tgm4883: yeah, in 10.04, it wasn't an issue, upgrade to 10.10 and every channel change you get a popup...failed to lock, then after a few seconds it locks and changes the channel
[03:13] <tgm4883> dmfrey, what is your timeout set to?
[03:14] <dmfrey> i updated it to 6 seconds, but it didn't really seem to matter
[03:14] <dmfrey> the time always seems to be the same whether it was default or 6 seconds
[03:15] <tgm4883> IIRC, i've heard recommendations of 10 seconds
[03:15] <dmfrey> ok, i will update it to 10 and try it out
[03:15] <dmfrey> actually it does something else funny as well
[03:17] <dmfrey> if I am recording on hdpvr, and happening to be watching part of that recording when another recording starts, it stops the hdpvr and immediately starts a second one
[03:18] <dmfrey> it may do this a bunch of times over the course of the recording duration, but usually happens when a recording starts on another tuner and only for the hdpvr
[03:20] <dmfrey> i am not too concerned about it right now, got some new hardware an gonna rebuild it in a few weeks, but thought it was odd and wondered if anyone else was running into it.
[14:43] <pladijs> I have a script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ which contains "DISPLAY=:1 /usr/bin/firefox": this starts firefox in case of a resume after pm-suspend. When i invoke "sudo pm-suspend" this works fine. When pm-suspend is called by mythwelcome, however, nothing happens. Any ideas?
[14:45] <pladijs> when i store the output of "whoami", i get nothing when the script is run from mythwelcome
[14:46] <pladijs> shouldnt this be "root"?
[21:38] <JosX> I have a question, I am trying to get my firewire setup, however whenever i type "plugreport" into the terminal nothing happends. Anyone have any idea what the case might be?
[22:07] <dewman> JosX, Did you check here? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire
[22:07] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] FireWire - MythTV Official Wiki
[23:56] <JosX> hello I was wondering if anyone here can give me a hand in setting my firewire


[00:15] <Andy80> hi guys :)
[05:46] <didrocks> good morning
[05:49] <nhaines> didrocks: good morning!
[05:52] <didrocks> hey nhaines
[07:29] <MacSlow> hey folks
[08:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: hey, do you have a second for playing with some cjk foo?
[08:25] <didrocks> in xapian (apt-xapian index)
[08:26] <kamstrup> didrocks: give me 15 mins
[09:30] <htorque> njpatel: it's likely not one of those indicators: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/77655516/log.png
[09:30] <htorque> the jump at the beginning was caused by opening some programs iirc
[09:30] <njpatel> htorque, ah, excellent
[09:30] <njpatel> htorque, I'll try and take a look today
[09:30] <htorque> but i see that the appmenu is missing, so that's something left to test
[09:32] <htorque> njpatel: however, i don't quite understand your directions: "probably from metacity, without an exsiting global menu" - should i run metacity --replace and run the command? with valgrind? or just look at mem consumption?
[09:33] <njpatel> htorque, you can initially just look at memory consumption of the indicator-loader with appmenu, to confirm/deny if it's leaking when you start an app
[09:33] <njpatel> htorque, valgrind will give you a deeper analysis if it is, I guess
[09:33] <htorque> but i should replace compiz & co with metacity, right?
[09:34] <njpatel> htorque, the reason for running it in metacity is that you can't have two appmenus running, so you can't run in unity
[09:34] <njpatel> htorque, right, exactly
[09:34] <njpatel> just metacity --replace from a terminal will do
[09:35] <htorque> so now i don't have a panel at all - is it still useful then?
[09:35] <njpatel> yep
[09:36] <njpatel> htorque, with indicator-loader, you're just testing a single indicator at a time, which is good to isolate the issue
[09:36] <njpatel> if it doesnt' leak, most likely something is wrong in the service itself, or maybe another indicator
[10:11] <didrocks> kamstrup: I didn't touch that ;)
[10:11] <kamstrup> didrocks: in a nutshell what I mean: python -c "import os; os.environ['FOOBAR'] = 1; print os.environ['FOOBAR'] == 1"
[10:11] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok thanks, although he is not here ...
[10:11] <apinheiro> just in case
[10:11] <kamstrup> throws an error because you can only pass strings into environ[]
[10:11] <njpatel> apinheiro, yeah, he's in US so her ein a few hours
[10:11] <apinheiro> njpatel, these messages from panel-service:
[10:11] <apinheiro> (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Child is realized, but doesn't have a GTK Widget!
[10:11] <apinheiro> (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Got new menuitem signal, which means they want something
[10:11] <apinheiro> (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **:   that I simply don't have
[10:12] <apinheiro> do you know if those are normal messages
[10:12] <njpatel> no idea
[10:12] <njpatel> I actually have the same question for him
[10:12] <kamstrup> didrocks: and if you change 1 to '1' you get False: python -c "import os; os.environ['FOOBAR'] = '1'; print os.environ['FOOBAR'] == 1"
[10:12] <didrocks> kamstrup: oh, I clearly know that, I'm not the one making the patch once again :-)
[10:14] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, is because I'm working on that panel-service crash with a11y enabled, and that "he doesn't have a GTK widget" sounds something to look at
[10:14] <kamstrup> didrocks: the reason I bang on about this is that afaics this means the db is reindexed on *every* run
[10:15] <kamstrup> didrocks: is the cjk patch applied to xapian by default now in Oneiric?
[10:15] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, and the testsuite doesn't pass anyway, so I think nobody tested it
[10:15] <didrocks> kamstrup: yes, it is :)
[10:15] <kamstrup> didrocks: how can that possibly go wrong?!?!?!11 ;-)
[10:16] <didrocks> kamstrup: touching data! never be afraid :-)
[10:16] <njpatel> apinheiro, heh, yeah :)
[10:16] <kamstrup> didrocks: i'll let you touch my data
[10:17] <didrocks> kamstrup: that's so kind! I let you spy my computer with zg already, so, in some kind of mutual touch ;)
[10:17] <kamstrup> didrocks: kinky
[10:31] <htorque> njpatel: the amount of leakage is definitely influenced by the menu (eg. with 180 simple menu items in the menubar, u-p-s mem consumption raises by 15mb, with one it's just a couple of kb)
[10:32] <njpatel> htorque, right, the reason why I thought it must be appmenu is because the panel service only extracts info about the toplevel menu items (it has no idea about the actual menus), and hence I felt that appmenu is leaking something in constructing the actual menu tree
[10:32] <htorque> good, because putting more items in a menu didn't change anything
[10:50] <kamstrup> didrocks: attached a fixed patch to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/838274
[10:51] <didrocks> kamstrup: did yo utest it, you should get a missing "import os"
[10:51] <didrocks> in update-apt-xapian-index
[10:52] <didrocks> kamstrup: tell me if the testsuite still run after that :)
[10:52] <kamstrup> didrocks: ah, wait...
[10:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: needs some more fixing I can see :-)
[10:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: indeed :)
[11:51] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok v3 of the patch is running with all tests - I even added 3 new test cases so the diff has grown somewhat. But this should be upstreamable now i think
[11:52] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent news, do you think it's that part which is used by software-center or we should force a reindexing as well before reopening the database as well?
[11:53] <kamstrup> didrocks: i don't have the faintest clue what S-C is doing :-)
[11:54] <kamstrup> didrocks: S-C has it's own index in addition to the axi one
[11:54] <kamstrup> so S-C prolly needs patching in a similar spirit
[11:54] <didrocks> kamstrup: ah, because I was thinking that it was using the axi one
[11:54] <didrocks> so we could have activate this env var unconditionnaly
[11:54] <kamstrup> didrocks: it is using 2 indexes
[11:55] <kamstrup> i think we should, but still, the code needs to work regardless as other distros might not set it
[11:55] <kamstrup> (mostly thinking about the zg bits here though)
[11:55] <didrocks> kamstrup: indeed
[11:56] <kamstrup> didrocks: is upstream watching these bugs, or should we ping someone?
[11:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think we should ping them, but I won't block on that for now
[11:59] <kamstrup> didrocks: i'll move on to the zg-fts bits cjk enablement now, is mvo on top of the S-C issue or should I take that later?
[11:59] <didrocks> kamstrup: mvo is on vacation, not sure if you have the time to look at it, otherwise tremolux will (but he doesn't really have a clue as well)
[12:00] <kamstrup> hehe :-)
[12:00] <kamstrup> i'll see if I get around to it
[12:01] <om26er> JohnLea, Hi could you confirm if bug 838759 is a design decision or a bug?
[12:02] <didrocks> kamstrup: great ;)
[12:02] <Trevinho> om26er: I know it's strange but it seems something the design want... No menu unitil you move again! :o
[12:02] <om26er> oh twitter people are saying its by design :/ andyrock Trevinho
[12:03] <Trevinho> yes..
[12:03] <om26er> Trevinho, :(
[12:03] <andyrock> om26er, have you said my pastebin?
[12:03] <andyrock> it should be easy to fix but the comment let me think that it's by design
[12:04] <om26er> andyrock, the window button problem stands, doesnt it?
[12:04] <om26er> on second click on the menus window buttons dont show
[12:04] <om26er> unless cursor is moved
[12:05] <Trevinho> om26er: are you still confirming the bug of the VP switch (move to another VP and select the launcher button of the focused window in another vp => Nothing happens after the click) ?
[12:05] <Trevinho> If you do please report, I can confirm :P
[12:05] <Trevinho> (and work on it)
[12:06] <om26er> Trevinho, i confirmed it yesterday, i am reporting it now :)
[12:06] <Trevinho> thanks :)
[12:06] <Trevinho> since DBO can't reproduce it...
[12:06] <andyrock> om26er, which window button problem?
[12:07] <Trevinho> om26er: check these issues using my branch please, I guess I've solved them...
[12:07] <om26er> andyrock, see in the video, when i click on the menu again window controls dont appear the faded title does
[12:07] <Trevinho> om26er: Ah, That's true
[12:07] <Trevinho> I'll fix that.
[12:08] <om26er> Trevinho, i'll report that and assign you as well ;)
[12:08] <Trevinho> ok
[12:08] <om26er> launcher stuck hard this time, it wont hide :/
[12:08] <Trevinho> These panel issues are really annoying
[12:08] <andyrock> om26er, wanted behavior too?
[12:08] <Trevinho> but I guess we're in the right way...
[12:09] <andyrock> i mean the window buttons appear only when the menu appears...
[12:09] <Trevinho> andyrock: it could be... But it's better to have a reply by JohnLea (or design, in general) about these things.
[12:09] <andyrock> so if the menu is not shown why we should show the window buttons?
[12:10] <andyrock> Trevinho, mpt too (I guess)
[12:10] <Trevinho> of course...
[12:11] <Trevinho> no, andyrock... The problem is on the second click
[12:11] <Trevinho> On the second click only the menus are shown
[12:11] <Trevinho> and this is not so consistent
[12:11] <andyrock> ah i got it...
[12:11] <Trevinho> also if that is enough (as you reclick without moving, we guess you want to see the menu)
[12:12] <andyrock> Trevinho, btw i guess that design info are needed
[12:13] <andyrock> *is
[12:36] <JohnLea> Trevinho; andyrock; just about to grab lunch, will get back to you in 30min
[12:36] <andyrock> JohnLea, np
[13:03] <JohnLea> om26er, Trevinho; re. bug #838759, good catch! Yes the current behaviour wrong and needs fixing.  I've confirmed the bug
[13:07] <JohnLea> om26er, Trevinho; any idea how people got the idea that bug 838759 behaviour was by design?  !! :/
[13:16] <Trevinho> JohnLea: this is the code that implement that http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/679655/
[13:16] <Trevinho> I also found a bug somewhere mentioning it
[13:18] <JohnLea> Trevinho; cool, I've confirmed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/838759 if you could fix it that would be great ;-)
[13:21] <Trevinho> ok JohnLea  I'll work on it
[13:24] <Trevinho> JohnLea: and what about the other thing we discussed before? (as you can see in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78696225/5ii.ogg on second click no window buttons are shown)
[13:34] <JohnLea> Trevinho; yes that's a bug, would that not be fixed with the solution om26er outlined in bug #838759?
[13:35] <Trevinho> I guess it will JohnLea. I've to check btw
[13:36] <Trevinho> JohnLea: however about the #838759 I'm pretty sure that I've read about that behaviour in an unity bug (maybe related to ayatana design too)....
[13:36] <Trevinho> Otherwise I would have fixed for a long time :D
[13:38] <JohnLea> Trevinho; it is definitely a bug ;-)  If any other items like this come up please ping me and I'll try to help clarify
[13:48] <Trevinho> No problem... However I'm happy it's a bug :P I didn't like that behavior!
[13:51] <Andy80> hi guys :)
[13:52] <Andy80> Kaleo: I'll have to upgrade my vm to Oneiric before being able to work to that bug ;) doing right now
[13:55] <Kaleo> Andy80: good luck ;)
[14:05] <apinheiro> tedg, hi, you here?
[14:06] <tedg> apinheiro, Yes, but I'm testing something where my machine might shutdown (or I get a good backtrace)... give me a second.
[14:18] <Andy80> apinheiro: the one who work at Igalia?
[14:19] <apinheiro> Andy80, yes
[14:20] <apinheiro> I usually use API as my IRC nickname, but someone already registered it
[14:20] <Andy80> apinheiro: hi :) don't know if you remember me.... I did a summer internship 2 years ago in your company :) que tal?
[14:21] <apinheiro> tedg, btw, my previous question, Im trying to fix that crash on panel-service when a11y is on, and I have these messages:
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Child is realized, but doesn't have a GTK Widget!
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Got new menuitem signal, which means they want something
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **:   that I simply don't have
[14:21] <apinheiro> it is normal?
[14:21] <apinheiro> Andy80, hi, yes I remember you  ;), fine thanks
[14:22] <tedg> apinheiro, Uhm, I don't think that those should be happening.  Do they happen without a11y?
[14:24] <apinheiro> well, I asked that in the morning
[14:24] <apinheiro> and
[14:24]  * apinheiro looking backlog
[14:24] <Andy80> andyrock: I'm upgrading my VM to Oneiric. I will need your help with that Nautilus-dbus stuff later if you can
[14:25] <andyrock> of course
 apinheiro, yeah, he's in US so her ein a few hours
 njpatel, these messages from panel-service:
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Child is realized, but doesn't have a GTK Widget!
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Got new menuitem signal, which means they want something
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **:   that I simply don't have
 do you know if those are normal messages
 no idea
 I actually have the same question for him
[14:25] <apinheiro> tedg, ^
[14:25] <apinheiro> tedg, I also see messages like:
[14:25] <apinheiro>  "IndicatorObject class does not have an accessible description."
[14:26] <andyrock> Andy80, btw Kaleo told me that in QT there is already a dbus helper class...
[14:26] <apinheiro> and finally, I have a question about indicators, although not sure if they are related with dbusmenu
[14:26] <apinheiro> on indicator.h:
[14:26] <apinheiro> 	@get_menu: Gets the image for this object.  Should be set
[14:26] <apinheiro> 		to #NULL if @get_entries is set.  Should NOT ref the
[14:26] <apinheiro> 		object.
[14:26] <tedg> apinheiro, The not having an accessible description is just to make us do the work, though it shouldn't harm anything.
[14:27] <andyrock> so i think you should use it instead of UnityCore::DBusWrapper
[14:27] <Andy80> andyrock: I know that class, but I don't need help for using the QDbus class, I need to know which parameters to give it, which strings to use ecc....
[14:27] <apinheiro> tedg, ok, anyway I'm just setting "" in this case
[14:27] <apinheiro> but about that doc
[14:27] <apinheiro> do you know what would happen if you ref that menu?
[14:27] <andyrock> Andy80, no problem then :)
[14:27] <tedg> apinheiro, Memory leak
[14:27] <Andy80> andyrock: thanks :)
[14:28] <apinheiro> tedg, why, shouldn't the indicator be freed on the last unref?
[14:28] <tedg> apinheiro, But, in general, it should be "does not" instead of "should not"
[14:28] <andyrock> Andy80, yw...
[14:28] <tedg> apinheiro, The indicator should, but it's saying that by calling "get_menu" you are not incrementing the ref count.
[14:28] <apinheiro> tedg, ah ok
[14:28] <apinheiro> but you could increment the ref count
[14:28] <apinheiro> right?
[14:29] <apinheiro> I mean to ensure that the object will be alive while you are working with it
[14:29] <tedg> apinheiro, Yes, and you should if you're working with it.  Just some of the callers just pass it to GTK which does it's own increment, so I didn't want to have one stuck in the middle.
[14:30] <tedg> apinheiro, This way users can treat it more like a floating count.
[14:30] <apinheiro> tedg, anyway don't worry, just asking, on the a11y side there are a weak reaf, so if the object is freed, the atk object should be notified
[14:30] <apinheiro> tedg, so going back to my "weird messages questions"
[14:30] <apinheiro> do you know if I'm doing something wrong?
[14:30] <apinheiro> I mean if there are something missing in my system?
[14:31] <tedg> apinheiro, No, it's basically saying that it thinks the menu item should have a GTK Menu Item associated with it, but it doesn't.
[14:31] <tedg> apinheiro, It could be a sign of some sort of race condition.
[14:31] <tedg> apinheiro, I'd be curious if the a11y slows down the construction of the GTK+ widgets in some way that we're not taking into account.
[14:32] <apinheiro> working on a bug and found a race condition ... this can be tricky
[14:32] <apinheiro> hmm
[14:32] <apinheiro> tedg, well, in that case I will disable a11y and check it
[14:32] <apinheiro> but anyway, njpatel said that he also wanted to ask
[14:32] <tedg> apinheiro, Yeah, that'd be best, just to see.
[14:32] <apinheiro> so I suppose that this also happens without a11y  enabled
[14:32] <tedg> apinheiro, Yeah, njpatel is like that ;-)
[14:33] <njpatel> I like to ask things
[14:33] <htorque> tedg: njpatel asked me to run indicator-loader to check memory consumption of an indicator, but that seemed to fail and i think i got the very same warnings
[14:33] <htorque> could this be connected?
[14:33]  * tedg keeps njpatel's secret that he's really 5 years old.
[14:33] <njpatel> htorque, UBUNTU_MENU_PROXY="" before using indicator-loader apparently!
[14:33] <njpatel> tedg, but WHY?
[14:33] <htorque> tried that
[14:33] <tedg> htorque, Getting the same messages or no indicator at all?
[14:34] <htorque> the indicator-loader just showed "File" (appmenu loaded)
[14:34] <apinheiro> njpatel, we were talking about this:
 apinheiro, yeah, he's in US so her ein a few hours
 njpatel, these messages from panel-service:
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Child is realized, but doesn't have a GTK Widget!
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **: Got new menuitem signal, which means they want something
 (unity-panel-service:5672): LIBDBUSMENU-GTK-WARNING **:   that I simply don't have
 do you know if those are normal messages
[14:34] <tedg> htorque, Did you set UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= or the wrong env like njpatel said ;-)
 no idea
[14:34] <htorque> yeah, thanks apinheiro
 I actually have the same question for him
[14:34] <apinheiro> and your "I actually have the same question for him"
[14:35] <htorque> tedg: the right one ;)
[14:35] <tedg> htorque, Hmm, that works for me...
[14:35] <tedg> htorque, Which indicator?
[14:35] <htorque> i posted the output of indicator-loader here but that did get logged and i'm on a different machine now :(
[14:35] <htorque> appmenu
[14:36] <apinheiro> btw, when I get the panel-service working without a crash
[14:36] <apinheiro> I can open the menus with the mouse pointer
[14:36] <apinheiro> but I'm not able to navigate or give the focus with F10
[14:37] <apinheiro> is this only happening to me?
[14:37] <apinheiro> njpatel, htorque ? ^
[14:37] <htorque> F10 doesn't do anything here
[14:38] <apinheiro> ?¿
[14:38] <apinheiro> F10 is supposed to give the focus to the panel
[14:38] <apinheiro> have this changed?
[14:39] <apinheiro> is not related to those memory comsuption issues, but just asking as is related with the panel
[14:39] <htorque> when opened with the mouse i can navigate within the toplevel menu, but i cannot switch left and right
[14:39] <apinheiro> somewhat offtopic I know
[14:39] <apinheiro> htorque, urgh
[14:39] <apinheiro> that confirms that panel key nav is broken :/
[14:39] <tedg> htorque, Hmm, I'm not sure that appmenu works in the loader in general, since it's based on which window has focus.  When the loader has focus, it tries to show menus from it.  So you can't really click on another window and interact with its menus.
[14:40] <tedg> It unfortunately makes appmenu ridiculously hard to debug.
[14:40] <htorque> tedg it was just to confirm whether it's causing bug 835646
[14:40] <tedg> We should probably add a delayed mode for using the loader.  We could use the loading hints to determine whether it should be on or not.
[14:41] <tedg> njpatel, Did you ever include a mode in unity-panel-service where you could specify which indicators it would load?
[14:42] <htorque> apinheiro: i think it's not broken per se, but rather that the mouse pointer keeps the selection on the toplevel menu it's pointing to - with F10 working, this wouldn't be a problem i guess
[14:43] <njpatel> tedg, I did, but it seems like someone removed it :(
[14:44] <apinheiro> njpatel, do you know something about this F10 issue? I mean, is F10 now assigned to a different short-cut?
[14:44] <njpatel> apinheiro, nope, need to investigate it
[14:45] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, I will keep focus on the crash then
[14:45]  * apinheiro reminds that he need to check if those messages are also present without a11y enabled
[14:56] <htorque_> tedg: that's the output i got from indicator-loader when testing it earlier: http://paste.ubuntu.com/679567/
[14:57] <htorque_> will try again
[14:58] <tedg> htorque_, You've got a GTK2/3 conflict there.  You need to use loader3 with the GTK3 indicators.
[14:59] <htorque_> oh dear
[14:59] <htorque_> is that in libindicator-tools?
[15:00] <tedg> htorque_, I think so.
[15:00] <htorque_> libindicator3-tools...
[15:00] <tedg> Oh, yes
[15:00] <htorque_> meh
[15:03] <apinheiro> tedg, forget my question, it seems that those warning only appear if I launch by hand the panel service from a terminal that it is not in the same session that unity
[15:04] <apinheiro> executing this "in a normal way" I don't get those messages
[15:04] <apinheiro> sorry for the noies
[15:04] <apinheiro> noise
[15:04] <tedg> Hmm, that's interesting... I wonder why that is.
[15:05] <htorque_> \o/ loader3 works
[15:06] <apinheiro> tedg, in my environment I have a "working session" and the session where I made the "unity --replace", so I move from one to the other using ctrl+alt+F7/F8
[15:06] <apinheiro> I was running the panel-service from a terminal on my working session,
[15:06] <apinheiro> (with a export DISPLAY)
[15:06] <apinheiro> and in this case I got those messages
[15:06] <htorque_> njpatel: starting gimp adds lots of ram to the loader process ;-)
[15:06] <apinheiro> again, sorry for the noise
[15:08] <htorque_> njpatel: should i now run valgrind on that and attach the output to the bug report?
[15:08] <tedg> htorque_, Yeah, that'd be good.
[15:08] <htorque_> will do :)
[15:08] <tedg> htorque_, Firefox is also good if you have lots of bookmarks.
[15:09] <htorque_> unfortunately no ff user
[15:09] <htorque_> kile and gimp work fine
[15:30] <htorque_> tedg: there are a couple of "???" entries in the log about libfontconfig/libexpat/libpango but i couldn't find debug symbols for those packages. is that a problem? also i forgot to install dbgsym for loader3 :-/
[15:30] <tedg> htorque_, naw, we're not going to get those solved today :-/
[15:34] <htorque_> ok, it's uploaded: bug 835646
[15:34] <htorque_> if you need anything else, let me know
[15:37] <jml> tedg: hi
[15:37] <tedg> jml, Howdy
[15:37] <tedg> htorque_, Thanks!
[15:38] <htorque_> tedg: yw :)
[15:39] <tedg> Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have any smoking guns in it.
[15:40]  * tedg quickly concludes that there's no way it's his fault, it must be njpatel's bug ;-)
[15:41] <jml> tedg: I just tried the valgrind thing you suggested
[15:41] <jml> tedg: but... umm... where does the output go?
[15:42] <jml> bug 740382
[15:42] <tedg> jml, You'll need to redirect it to a file.
[15:42] <tedg> jml, So I guess I should have included that in my command line :-)
[15:43] <tedg> htorque_, Did you just start GIMP, or start it and shut it down before closing the loader?
[15:44] <jml> tedg: np. I'll do that now. How will I know if I've triggered the condition?
[15:44] <tedg> jml, Well, I'm guessing that it doesn't shutdown, no?
[15:44] <jml> tedg: ok :)
[15:45] <tedg> jml, I'm guessing that somewhere in that log there has to be an invalid read/write.
[15:46] <jml> tedg: stdout & stderr, or just one of them?
[15:46] <tedg> jml, Oh, grab them all.  /me is feeling generous with LP's disk space.
[15:48] <htorque_> tedg: i started it, waited for the loader to show the menu, then closed it. started it again, a.s.o.
[15:48] <tedg> htorque_, Okay, makes sense.  Just making sure.
[15:48] <tedg> As much as I love blaming njpatel, I try to not do it arbitrarily, well, not all the time.
[15:49] <njpatel> htorque, it's tedg's fault and he knows it
[15:50] <njpatel> I don't leak. Nor does my code.
[15:50] <htorque_> i only know that it's not my fault. opening applications seems like expected behavior. :P
[15:52] <Trevinho> Some times ago I also gave a look to this problem
[15:52] <andyrock> JohnLea, Finally I found the time to fix this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/832631
[15:52] <andyrock> i've add this behavior
[15:52] <Trevinho> and it seems that unity-panel-service itself is working well
[15:52] <Trevinho> according to valgrind
[15:52] <Trevinho> it seems something more related to the indicators
[15:53] <Trevinho> and libappmenu seems the one
[15:53] <tedg> Trevinho, Heresy I say!
[15:53]  * tedg sends the Spanish inquisition!
[15:53] <Trevinho> tedg: I know it's not your fault... :)
[15:53] <andyrock> the timeout is reset if the mouse hover another window or if the mouse move more than 3px
[15:54] <Trevinho> but, the fact is that also running the appmenu-indicator in natty, the leak persists
[15:54] <tedg> Trevinho, Did you try running the test app indicators under valgrind and see if anything came up?
[15:54] <Trevinho> so, maybe it's not directly connected to that indicator, but to something going wrong in the framework
[15:54] <Trevinho> I don't, but there's a valgrind log attached to the mentioned bug
[15:54] <Trevinho> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78705404/valgrind.log
[15:55] <andyrock> there is a 6x6 rect and the mouse pointer is the center, when the mouse pointer go outside of this rect the timeout is reset
[15:55] <andyrock> is it ok?
[15:55] <tedg> Trevinho, That is appmenu not application though...
[15:55] <tedg> Really both of them are pretty dynamic.  If there's a memory leak, it'd have to be one of those.
[15:57] <jml> tedg: attached
[15:57] <jml> tedg: my computer doesn't have working g-s-d now.
[15:57] <Trevinho> ah, sorry tedg I'll check
[15:58] <htorque_> applications definitely has one: bug 829961
[15:58] <jml> tedg: so, uhh, I'll do launch that manually
[15:58] <htorque_> but that's not affected by starting applications
[16:14] <JohnLea> andyrock; great news!  Do you know if it will be landing in today's or next week's release?
[16:15] <andyrock> it's not a unity bug but a scale plugin one
[16:15] <andyrock> https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/compiz-core/fix-832631
[16:33] <smspillaz> andyrock: poke
[16:33] <smspillaz> andyrock: what's the reason for resetting scale on mouse motion ?
[16:34] <smspillaz> (or a buffer of mouse motion)
[16:34] <smspillaz> seems like it only makes sense to do it per window
[16:35] <smspillaz> err
[16:35] <smspillaz> the scale dnd timeout
[16:35] <andyrock> smspillaz, well if you move the mouse a lot without changing window the timeout don't reset
[16:35] <andyrock> *doesn't
[16:35] <andyrock> JohnLea, ^^^
[16:36] <smspillaz> andyrock: ah, so you want it so that it it resets when you move the mouse around inside the client window a little bit, but not when you move it a lot
[16:37] <andyrock> smspillaz, yes
[16:37] <smspillaz> andyrock: in that case it might make more sense to accumulate motion events
[16:37] <andyrock> feel free to remove the rect... :)
[16:38] <smspillaz> andyrock: like, watch MotionNotify, and if we've moved more than X pixels then reset the timeout
[16:38] <smspillaz> (timer.stop (), timer.start ())
[16:38] <andyrock> during the xndd we don't get the motionnotify events
[16:38] <smspillaz> ah, crap, that's right
[16:38] <smspillaz> ehh
[16:38] <andyrock> i think because the mouse is grabbed by the source
[16:39] <smspillaz> well hang on
[16:39] <andyrock> but the source should do it for us
[16:39] <om26er> Trevinho, bug 838923 wont that be compiz?
[16:39] <smspillaz> you should get xdndPosition?
[16:39] <smspillaz> om26er: the redecoration is done by unity
[16:39] <andyrock> yes....
[16:39] <smspillaz> andyrock: so you can use that, right ?
[16:39] <om26er> there are a few other bugs reported already about it though.
[16:39] <andyrock> case ClientMessage:
[16:39] <andyrock> 	    if (event->xclient.message_type == Atoms::xdndPosition)
[16:39] <andyrock> 	    {
[16:40] <andyrock> smspillaz, ^^^
[16:40] <om26er> smspillaz, oh ok..
[16:40] <smspillaz> andyrock: what's wrong with using xdndPosition ?
[16:40] <andyrock> smspillaz, we alredy use xdndPosition :)
[16:41] <andyrock> and get x,y form the message event
[16:41] <smspillaz> andyrock: right. so instead of using the rect, what you could do is accumulate the pointer movement
[16:41] <Trevinho> om26er: I gess that it's just an unity policy
[16:41] <smspillaz> (eg, save the last x and y co-ords, and apply that to a global dmovement)
[16:41] <Trevinho> I can control the decoration, but I don't know how to manage it
[16:41] <smspillaz> and then if dmovement > threshold reset the timer
[16:42] <andyrock> ok... i got it
[16:42] <andyrock> can i ask you why? CompRect is slow?
[16:42] <smspillaz> andyrock: I'm thinking of cases where the user moves their cursor in one direction the entire time
[16:45] <andyrock> smspillaz, i don't understand... if the mouse move outside of the rect the rect update itself.
[16:45] <andyrock> but i will do it... np
[16:46] <smspillaz> andyrock: right, although this way is slightly more consistent
[16:46] <andyrock> what do you think is a good threshold?
[16:46] <smspillaz> might be worth making it an option
[16:46] <andyrock> ok ok :)
[16:46] <smspillaz> you know how that works?
[16:46] <andyrock> of course...
[16:46] <smspillaz> awesome
[16:47] <andyrock> i added some option to unity code
[16:47] <smspillaz> :)
[16:47] <andyrock> i think it's the same
[16:47] <smspillaz> yep, same
[16:47] <andyrock> we have an option for the timeout so it make sense
[16:47] <smspillaz> also, compiz coding style has spaces between function calls and brackets
[16:47] <smspillaz> and spaces between operators and members
[16:48] <smspillaz> oh, I think that it might be better to have a member in the ScaleScreen class "mDistance"
[16:48] <smspillaz> oh! and I almost forgot, pointerX and pointerY are updated on xdndPosition iirc
[16:48] <smspillaz> so you don't need to save their position :)
[16:48] <smspillaz> you can just use pointerX - lastPointerX
[16:58] <andyrock> so there is no need to use this stuff
[16:58] <andyrock> int x = event->xclient.data.l[2] >> 16;
[16:58] <andyrock> 			int y = event->xclient.data.l[2] & 0xffff;
[16:58] <andyrock> smspillaz, ^^^
[17:02] <smspillaz> andyrock: right, although you'll need to know what the last pointer position was
[17:30] <andyrock> smspillaz, using lastPointerX and pointerX and Pythagorean Theorem works well :)
[17:30] <smspillaz> andyrock: sweet :)
[17:30] <smspillaz> andyrock: update your merge proposal and I'll merge that in
[17:30] <smspillaz> good work
[17:45] <andyrock> smspillaz, do you prefer a private member or i can use optionGetDndDistance every time?
[17:45] <andyrock> all the other option are not saved in a private member
[17:46] <om26er> smspillaz, is this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~smspillaz/unity/unity.fix_838062/+merge/73703 supposed to fix those issues reported in minimize?
[17:47] <om26er> like windows wont raise etc
[17:50] <smspillaz> om26er: it will fix input still being around for those windows like chromium with CSD
[17:50] <smspillaz> andyrock: yeah, using the option directly is fine
[17:50] <om26er> smspillaz, that would close a bunch of lp bugs, I'll link them as I find :0
[17:51] <om26er> *:)
[17:51] <smspillaz> om26er:  :)
[17:51] <smspillaz> some applications do some really weird stuff
[17:57] <andyrock> smspillaz, can you give me the astyle command to format properly the code
[17:57] <andyrock> you know compiz style is weird (tab + space i really don't understand why :) )
[18:01] <om26er> Trevinho, will your panel fix branch also fix bug 835989 ?
[18:07] <andyrock> om26er, about dnd dash bug
[18:09] <andyrock> the cause of the problem is similar but it's due to different parts of code
[18:09] <andyrock> so fixing one doesn't fix the other
[18:10] <andyrock> one... but if we found a solution we can use it both in the dash problem and collection window one
[18:10] <Trevinho> om26er: I've to check but I guess no
[18:11] <Trevinho> om26er: checked. No
[18:11] <om26er> andyrock, aha alright
[18:12] <Trevinho> Maybe I'll look to that aftherwards
[18:12] <om26er> Trevinho, that'l be cool
[18:18] <Andy80> Kaleo: I've noticed this behaviour on Unity-2d running on Oneiric: even if you maximize a window, you still see two application window title. The one in the top unity bar and the other one below. I try to make a screenshot...
[18:18]  * om26er think Andy80 is using compiz
[18:19] <Andy80> om26er: eh?
[18:19] <smspillaz> andyrock: I don't have it on me
[18:20] <om26er> Andy80, the problem happens when you are using compiz with unity-2d
[18:20] <om26er> Andy80, bug 705182
[18:20] <Andy80> om26er: I don't know if I'm using compiz or not... I just upgraded my VM from Natty to Oneiric
[18:21] <Andy80> I didn't choose to use compiz by my own
[18:21] <om26er> Andy80, you can try metacity --replace and afterwards see if the issue happens or not
[18:22] <om26er> but there must be a better way to know which window manager is running though i dont know how :/
[18:22] <Andy80> om26er: tried.... I still have the same bug
[18:22] <Andy80> om26er: how do I disable Compiz?
[18:23] <om26er> Andy80, not sure how, metacity --replace disables compiz
[18:23] <om26er> gotta run, its EID :D
[19:00] <andyrock> smspillaz, what do you mean for "I don't have it on me"?
[19:01] <smspillaz> andyrock: like, I don't have any astyle command that you can use
[19:01] <smspillaz> andyrock: but I don't really like autoindent
[19:01] <smspillaz> causes problems
[19:01] <smspillaz> andyrock: the general style is
[19:01] <smspillaz> 8 wide tabs
[19:01] <smspillaz> spaces between functions and brackets ()
[19:01] <smspillaz> camelCaseVariables
[19:01] <smspillaz> and the tabbing goes something like
[19:02] <smspillaz> 1 indent:
[19:02] <smspillaz> 4 spaces
[19:02] <smspillaz> 2 indents
[19:02] <smspillaz> 1 tab
[19:02] <smspillaz> 3 indents:
[19:02] <smspillaz> 1 tab, 4 spaces
[19:02] <smspillaz> 4 indents
[19:02] <smspillaz> 2 tabs
[19:02] <smspillaz> etc
[19:02] <smspillaz> so think of it as "indents" and "half indents"
[19:02] <smspillaz> where an indent is 1 tab and a half indent is 4 spaces
[19:02] <andyrock> ok.... it's a bit weird :)
[19:02] <smspillaz> (it's X11 style)
[19:02] <smspillaz> yes it is
[19:03] <smspillaz> however, changing it is a nightmare
[19:03] <L42y> Hi, I'm building unity in Arch Linux. When I run unity with command: "unity --replace -v --log=~/unity.log", it ouput "unity-panel-service: no process found" "compiz (core) - Debug: Could not stat() file /usr/lib/compiz/libcore.so : No such file or directory" "compiz (core) - Warn: Value type is not yet set" and unity dosen't show up
[19:03] <smspillaz> because if you change it you'll break bzr blame and git blame and we can't do that since a lot of the code is not well documented
[19:03] <smspillaz> L42y: is the unity plugin being loaded?
[19:04] <smspillaz> look for "Initializing unityshell options ... done"
[19:04] <L42y> smspillaz: I enable it in ccsm
[19:04] <smspillaz> L42y: right, but is it actually being loaded
[19:05] <andyrock> my unity creshed.... damn
[19:06] <L42y> smspillaz: When I run ccsm, I see "Initializing unityshell options...done"
[19:07] <L42y> Is this means unity loaded?
[19:07] <smspillaz> yes
[19:07] <smspillaz> and you can't see anything ?
[19:09] <L42y> smspillaz: Yeah, I run the command in kde.
[19:15] <smspillaz> haven't really got any ideas then, sorry man :/
[19:18] <L42y> smspillaz: Thank you for your help.
[19:53] <smspillaz> andyrock: mergee
[19:53] <smspillaz> andyrock: merged
[19:53] <andyrock> smspillaz, thx :)
[21:25] <thumper> morning


[01:55] <lamont> why does the maverick kernel hate the winxp kvm host?
[01:56] <JanC> winxp kvm *host* ?
[01:56] <lamont> guest
[01:56] <lamont> my bad
[01:56] <JanC> ;)
[01:56] <lamont> anything I boot is still a "host" in my head.  sometimes I forget to translate into correct nomenclature
[01:57] <JanC> well, all guests are hosts inside too etc.
[01:58] <lamont> starts booting and then screams UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME
[01:58] <lamont> and tries again... with boring repetitiveness
[02:02] <lamont> heh.  pebcak
[02:02] <lamont> turns out that kvm likes to have write access to the underlying file before it lets the guest write to it... who'da thought
[02:03] <lifeless> nah, really?
[02:03] <lifeless> ok, I definitely need to organise food; that was waaay more sarcastic than I menat.
[02:04] <lamont> lifeless: heh
[03:14] <b4r14> hi to all. i am get this warning on my ubuntu 10.04 64 bits: 'ACPI Warning: Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - 81, should be 80'
[03:14] <b4r14> i try disable the acpi on boot using noacpi
[03:14] <mjg59> b4r14: Ignore the warning
[03:14] <b4r14> but my desktop crashs
[03:14] <b4r14> stop every time
[03:15] <mjg59> Unrelated
[03:15] <mjg59> Linux doesn't use the OEMB table
[03:21] <b4r14> then, what does would cause the break in my system?
[03:21] <b4r14> i think that was this.
[03:24] <mjg59> I don't know
[03:24] <mjg59> But it's nothing to do with the OEMB table
[03:24] <b4r14> thanks mjg59
[08:26] <bullgard4> Ubuntu provides the kernels 2.6.32-24-generic #41-Ubuntu and 2.6.32-24-generic #42-Ubuntu. What is the name of this Ubuntu number (41)? Is it »build number«? See http://books.google.de/books?id=-XLrpiHDYoQC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=Ubuntu++%22build+number%22&source=bl&ots=U8qB1dCQeL&sig=NNomaXbYkTpie-HQLfxd0uZOBcc&hl=de&ei=DfOBTO2WPMzMswbsxZzmCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGEQ6AEw
[08:26] <bullgard4> CQ
[08:26] <bullgard4> #v=onepage&q=Ubuntu%20%20%22build%20number%22&f=false
[16:54] <melkor_> Is there any chance of a 2.6.34 or 2.6.35 kernel being release on the ppa for lucid?
[17:41] <crimsun_> melkor: there is already...
[17:42] <crimsun_> melkor: see the ppa page for lp:~kernel-ppa
[17:42] <crimsun_> melkor: e.g., linux-image-generic-lts-backport-maverick
[17:48] <melkor> crimsun_: are you refering to here? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/
[17:50] <melkor> oh on launchpad.
[17:52] <crimsun_> melkor: right, zinc has the vanilla mainline builds
[17:54] <melkor> I sort of prefere adding the kernels manually instead putting them on apt, it seems like it might update quite often.
[17:54] <crimsun_> melkor: at this point in the dev cycle, they really won't be updated frequently.
[17:55] <melkor> I guess this would also allow me to stop update 2.6.32 all the time.
[18:11] <b4r14> hi to all. I use ubuntu 10.04 64bits and my desktop crash every time. I think that was a acpi bug with this messase 'ACPI Warning: Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - 81, should be 80' but mjg59 say that Linux doesn't use OEMB. I search in syslog and i have noted that my system crash after the message 'hda-intel: spurious response 0x0:0x0, last cmd=0x5f0700'
[18:12] <b4r14> that is a bug or i need disable hda_intel drivers?
[18:13] <b4r14> thanks again mjg59
[18:15] <crimsun_> eww
[18:16] <crimsun_> b4r14: try appending "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and rebooting
[18:18] <b4r14> thanks crimsun, i will try. i'm wating compile the kernel and when finish i will restart to see.


[19:28] <melodie> hi
[19:29] <melodie> I have reported a bug recently, against zram, and a wish. It's here:
[19:29] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config/+bug/1516397
[19:29] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config/+bug/1516399
[19:30] <melodie> if anyone is interested in zram things, it would be nice to triage them?
[21:02] <gQuigs> can I get this nominated for just trusty? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1505328  thanks