[01:40] <Takyoji> Stupid question: What actually goes into the development of a driver for a printer for example?
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: "Empathy's IRC functionality has been updated to include support for common IRC commands such as /join or /nick, and you can now join password protected rooms."
[03:31] <Takyoji> Egad
[04:43] <Takyoji> Hah, yes! http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1802516
[20:03] <Obsidian1723> welp, time to switch to Debian :) It's offical. the button order is saying messed up and on the left.
[20:08] <_diablo> Obsidian1723: that's disgusting. thankfully Mint will fix it for me :)
[20:08] <Obsidian1723> maybe.
[20:09] <Obsidian1723> Im thinking Debian is the way to go.
[20:26] <_diablo> Obsidian1723: debian is nice, but I haaate old packages and sid isn't for me
[22:15] <netbook> i am kind of tired of gnome, i think i mentioned that here. I idk if i will switch to LL
[22:15] <netbook> what was your favorite April Fools on the web?
[22:16] <netbook> I thought reddit's "admin mode" was pretty funny
[22:17] <_diablo> haven't seen any particularly great ones this year honestly :(
[22:17] <_diablo> although 3-d mode on gBooks was pretty lullzy
[22:21] <netbook> heh that is pretty funny
[22:21] <netbook> started reading about the google book settlement, crazy stuff


[16:16] <Dave_Hunt> Hello all
[16:24] <Pendulum> hi Dave_Hunt
[16:25] <Dave_Hunt> Oh, hi, didn't hear you at first.  Just installed the full release of 12.04; trying to get things talking right.
[19:33] <DomasoFan> hi all.
[19:37] <DomasoFan> anyone knows an accessible twitter client for ubuntu?
[20:57] <colonelqubit> What's the preferred method for running gnome magnifier under ubuntu? (11.10 or 12.04)
[20:58] <colonelqubit> Orca runs pretty well on both, and I especially liked the ability for me to run it off of a 12.04 b2 live-cd.
[20:59] <colonelqubit>  Theoretically there's a magnifier component to orca, but I don't see a tab for it in Orca preferences. Thoughts before I file a bug?
[21:05] <DomasoFan> anyone knows a accessible twitter client?
[21:06] <colonelqubit> DomasoFan: what have you tried so far?
[21:07] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: well i tried gwibber but that seems not to be that accessible.
[21:07] <colonelqubit> gotcha
[21:08] <colonelqubit> Someone mentioned empathy, but I can't find the page right now
[21:08] <DomasoFan> well its preinstalled with ubuntu 12.04
[21:08] <colonelqubit> (and I've never used empathy w/twitter... not sure about that)
[21:08] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: as an audio player i currently use audacious. its quite nice
[21:09] <colonelqubit> DomasoFan: Are you using orca?
[21:09] <DomasoFan> yeah
[21:09] <colonelqubit> cool
[21:10] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: my main pc still runs windows but my old laptop runs ubuntu now. testing ubuntu now a few years.
[21:11] <colonelqubit> I'm trying to help a friend start using ubuntu, but I have several hurdles (she has poor vision, she has basically no computer experience, and she's a few thousand miles away)
[21:11] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: *lol*. cool. never thought that some people can get so fsat ahead.
[21:14] <colonelqubit> I don't usually use a screen reader, but I've been trying to understand the technology so I can help my friends.
[21:14] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: so you are fully sighted? thats cool that you are helping.
[21:14] <colonelqubit> I can work in gedit and the terminal a little bit, but I get lost in firefox
[21:15] <DomasoFan> well its different cause orca does things different. it creates a virtual buffer where it stores the site.
[21:16] <DomasoFan> with the arrow keys you can go through the page and with tab you can jump to links formfields or other focusable elements. with h you can navigate to headings. with 1-6 you can go by the different heading levels. there are many more keys you can use
[21:18] <colonelqubit> domasofan: yes, I'm fully sighted (nearsighted, actually). Some of my friends are older, and are experiencing macular degeneration, or have lost their sight from diabetes.
[21:18] <colonelqubit> ah, cool. A virtual buffer makes sense.
[21:20] <colonelqubit> I wish that there were some kind of interactive tutorial for using Orca. Like "press Ctrl+h to enter the help learn mode"...and then a "good" confirmation when you've done that step.
[21:20] <DomasoFan> yeah. there is insert+h. then you can hit keys
[21:20] <DomasoFan> there is also orca help on http://live.gnome.org/Orca
[21:21] <colonelqubit> I know that a lot of modern videogames have interactive in-game tutorials for teaching people how to use the controls
[21:22] <colonelqubit> it seems like these are more intuitive methods for training, rather than just a manual or a set of key combinations.
[21:23] <DomasoFan> there are some orca videos on youtube and some podcasts. but the most things are in the manual. oh and there is a mailing list for orca and for the ubuntu accessibility in general
[21:24] <colonelqubit> domasofan: I know that one of my friends  is really interested in getting online so that they can send email. What email client do you use?
[21:25] <DomasoFan> ok. let's help you here. how is the computer connected?
[21:26] <DomasoFan> or does the computer actually has a connection to the net. so can you open the browser and it shows a website?
[21:29] <colonelqubit> Domasofan: They're all set with a connection
[21:29] <colonelqubit> but I'm considering preconfiguring a machine and then shipping it to them (because they're so far away)
[21:32] <DomasoFan> ok. do you have skype or something?
[21:39] <colonelqubit> domasofan: I try to avoid skype, but I do use empathy for audio/video chat.
[21:39] <DomasoFan> hmm. wonder if i can do that wirh miranda. is empathy using jabber?
[21:40] <colonelqubit> domasofan: Do you hang out in #ubuntu-accessibility often? I might need to run off soon, but I'd really like to talk to you later
[21:40] <colonelqubit> domasofan: yes, by default empathy audio/video chat is running over jabber.
[21:41] <DomasoFan> sometimes i am here. via audio would be good cause then you can hear whats going on and i can hear whats going on at your side.
[21:41] <DomasoFan> my jabber address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:43] <colonelqubit> cool. I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:46] <colonelqubit> domasofan: i'll ping you to make sure I have the right address
[21:46] <DomasoFan> you are added.
[21:46]  * colonelqubit thinks "great minds think alike..."
[21:49] <colonelqubit> domasofan: thanks for all of your advice and help.


[22:16] <PCLine_> Good evening everyone.
[22:16] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:17] <PCLine_> Hey Unit193 its been a while since I chatted in here.  Hows things going?
[22:19] <Unit193> Well I'm still hanging in here, slightly a bummer that winter is over though. :P
[22:20] <PCLine_> I think we are 1/2 flooded again today. Not much snow left.
[22:21] <Unit193> Lots of water everywhere.
[22:21] <PCLine_> If its going to rain all weekend - I wish I had a few NFC Tags to play with.
[22:21] <Unit193> So speaking of which, the list nags me about needing to moderate messages, but I'm not aware of any password I'd need in order to do so.
[22:24] <PCLine_> Without a password I think it might be hard to Moderate anything.
[22:25] <Unit193> Yeeeep.
[22:27] <Unit193> Oh, oh!  I found something in my email! :D
[22:27] <PCLine_> Well with all the Rain and no NFC  Tags .... I guess I can play with Sabre/dev this weekend.
[22:30] <PCLine_> Did you find a password?
[22:31] <Unit193> Yeah, that I did.
[22:41] <PCLine_> What messages are you Looking at?
[22:47] <Unit193> ubuntu-us-oh, an unused lists.ubuntu.com version.


[00:00] <Mamarok> dear cytotoxic again?
[00:00] <Mamarok> why isn't he k-lined yet?
[00:55] <niko> i have no access in #ubuntu-devel
[01:23] <bazhang> vistro seems to be trolling (or near so)
[03:41] <Pici> fixed
[03:42] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems to have another ip
[03:43] <Pici> Are you sure its the same person?
[03:44] <bazhang> either that or someone with a grudge against someone with the same real name
[05:44] <bazhang> Bacta, hi
[05:46] <bazhang> Bacta, I dont see ikonia around , if that is the reason for your joining here--ie to discuss your bans
[07:02] <ardchoille> B4R74zy is ad spamming #ubuntu telling us to go click on his ads and he will stop
[07:05] <elky> someone showed him the spammers exit?
[07:08] <ardchoille> B4R74zy is ad spamming #ubuntu again
[07:08] <ardchoille> this is the second time. He left and came back.
[07:53] <tsimpson> why do people join here when calling o p s would be appropriate? (a trend I'm starting to see increase)
[08:34] <tsimpson> we probably need to remind people in devel land that the irc guidelines apply to them, otherwise we can't really enforce the rules in dev channels
[08:34] <tsimpson> and by "we", I obviously mean "someone other than me" :)
[08:34] <bazhang> haha
[08:41] <bazhang> luux was trolling in -women earlier just a heads up
[08:41] <maco> yeah i just told tsimpson that in pm
[08:42] <bazhang> ok
[08:55] <Tm_T> maco: thanks, was about to do that too
[08:56] <maco> do what?
[09:08] <Tm_T> maco: ah, bah, misread
[09:09] <Tm_T> so did anyone told markey about guidelines and stuff?
[09:09] <maco> dont think... um tsimpson told him to knock off the language
[09:10] <maco> but hes been around a bit...should know rules
[09:10] <Tm_T> maco: reminder isn't bad thing, I'll do
[09:11] <tsimpson> devel land has always been slightly outside the rules, so until we (Ubuntu operators) start enforcing the rules in devel land, there is no point picking on one user
[09:12] <Tm_T> tsimpson: hmm, I don't feel I'm picking when I remind that there's rules somewhere around (:
[09:12] <Tm_T> but then again I'm not best to judge my own actions
[09:12] <tsimpson> sure, but until we apply the rules universally (including to our devs), it may seem like that to them
[09:13] <maco> i dont think we swear in -devel channels normally...
[09:13] <maco> going OT isnt that rare though
[09:13] <tsimpson> it's not totally uncommon in #u-devel and #u-motu
[09:13] <Tm_T> maco: I find ubuntu devel channels very civil
[09:14] <tsimpson> the point is not the frequency, it's the fact that we don't do anything about it when it does happen (normally)
[09:14] <Tm_T> tsimpson: I try to, though, in way of reminding
[09:15] <bazhang> sorry, was on the phone
[09:15] <bazhang> mdeonte is montel_edwards btw
[09:16] <Tm_T> also dear comrades, this weekend I try to avoid bans and stuff again, too busy and nervous
[09:18] <elky> bazhang, the url made that sort of obvious
[09:18] <bazhang> elky, was away, did not see it
[09:19] <elky> a rickroll page scripted to the hilt
[09:20] <bazhang> I see
[09:27] <elky> on the domain 'monteledwards.com' or some such
[12:18] <Tm_T> silly mandriva-troll was in #u
[12:19] <Mamarok> because there are trolls who are not behaving silly?
[12:19] <Tm_T> no, just that I found it bit amusing
[12:20] <Tm_T> got frustrated and start yelling, making himself too obvious (:
[12:37] <MenZa> -ot seems a bit, er, uncontrolled at the moment.  It'll pass.
[20:33] <topyli> it can be a rather engaging business. not necessarily wasted time, even if it means less irc time
[20:36] <nickspoon> I suppose so!
[21:10] <Flannel> Wow.  People I thought were normal people turn into whiny crybabies.
[21:31] <B4R74zy> PLZ GO 2           http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope          AND click on ads ;   thank you
[21:32] <B4R74zy> PLZ GO 2           http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope          AND click on ads ;   thank you
[21:35] <genii> I find that person/bot more annoying than the usual malcontents/troublemakers
[21:37]  * genii thinks about http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope/system/app/pages/reportAbuse
[21:37] <B4R74zy> PLZ GO 2           http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope          AND click on ads ;   thank you
[21:38] <genii> It probably just goes to this annoying person however
[21:39] <genii> B4R74zy: You're not endearing anyone to want to visit your site
[21:39] <Gary> meh, I just klined him
[21:40] <genii> Gary: Thanks, muchly
[21:40] <Gary> how long has this guy been doing this for?
[21:41] <Flannel> Gary: As far as I know, he started yesterday
[21:42] <genii> Kept popping in and out of #k as bob3 and the current name doing same as well
[21:42] <genii> coupla-three days on and off that i noticed
[21:43] <Gary> so the 3dod has changed?
[21:45] <genii> Gary: No had same there, just bob3 and not B4R74zy   etc
[21:53] <guntbert> hi, did something happen to the logs? today there seem to be none at all??
[21:56] <topyli> oh?
[21:56] <guntbert> topyli: indeed :-)
[21:56] <topyli> nautilus used to have this warning dialog, "are you sure you want to delete history? you'll be doomed to repeat it!"
[21:57] <nhandler> guntbert and topyli: The issue was reported in #canonical-sysadmin earlier today
[21:57] <topyli> ah
[21:57] <guntbert> nhandler: ok - thx for the info
[21:57] <guntbert> bye


[03:04] <imgbot> [04:31] <Mirv> that's a longer than usual image build I think
[04:31] <Mirv> imgbot: stunt
[04:31]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[04:44] <imgbot> [04:45] <imgbot> [07:40] <Mirv> I guess there's a good chance for two-in-a-row 100% pass, 0 crashes image results, nice!
[07:42] <didrocks> Mirv: we are still at 50% of tests, let's cross fingers :)
[07:43] <didrocks> Mirv: I'm a little bit suspicious of the 0 crashers though
[07:43] <didrocks> in any flavor, nothing…
[07:44] <didrocks> psivaa: good morning, and welcome back! FYI ^ (probably something to look at, it's not that I don't trust how good our quality is, but still… that's weird :p)
[07:45] <psivaa> didrocks: good morning. thx :). ack, will take a look at it in a bit
[07:45] <didrocks> thanks psivaa :)
[07:46] <psivaa> yw :)
[07:47] <Mirv> didrocks: yeah, too good to be true :) 267 did see a lot of changes, though, but let's see what psivaa will find out
[07:48] <Mirv> there were lxc, telephony-service updates
[07:48] <didrocks> ouai, but I see no reason why system-service would be fixed for instance
[07:51] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[07:51] <imgbot> I have no idea what PRIVMSG means
[07:51] <ogra_> bah
[07:51] <didrocks> ogra_: stop harassing the bot! :)
[07:51] <ogra_> it worked yesterday :(
[07:51] <Mirv> imgbot: stunt stunt
[07:52] <Mirv> double stunt doesn't work
[07:52] <didrocks> ogra_: making a bot working on Sunday?
[07:52] <didrocks> see, then, it's going on strike!
[07:52] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[07:52] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[07:53] <ogra_> at lest that works :P
[07:54]  * didrocks files a report to the police
[07:54] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[07:54] <imgbot> I have no idea what PRIVMSG means
[07:54] <ogra_> imgbot,  status 269
[07:54] <ogra_> bah, silly ... i typoed the command :P
[07:55] <ogra_> hmm, except that it doesnt seem to work
[07:57] <ogra_> imgbot,  status 269
[07:57] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[07:57] <imgbot> I have no idea what PRIVMSG means
[07:58] <didrocks> ogra_: time to rewrite it in go! it doesn't like your extra spaces
[07:58] <ogra_> I have no idea what PRIVMSG means
[08:01] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[08:02] <circ-user-00Z4s> imgbot, status 269 mako
[08:03] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[08:05] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[08:05] <seb128> ogra_, that bot doesn't want to talk to you
[08:10] <psivaa> didrocks: so, it does look like there were no crashes in the last two images and even in the current one, there hasn't been any yet
[08:10] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[08:10] <imgbot> Image 269 for mako has not finished the tests, status is: Running
[08:11] <didrocks> psivaa: waow, that's seem like a dream, are we sure, of the results, on all devices? can we have something preventing to write to /var/crash?
[08:11] <ogra_> now that was a silly typo :P
[08:11] <ogra_> imgbot, status 268
[08:11] <imgbot> Image 268 test results on mako - Total: 667 Pass: 667 Crashes: 0 Rate: 100%
[08:11] <ogra_> imgbot, status 268 flo
[08:11] <didrocks> ogra_: but you have tests for it, right? :p
[08:12] <imgbot> Image 268 test results on flo - Total: 667 Pass: 660 Crashes: 0 Rate: 98.7%
[08:12] <ogra_> didrocks, indeed, there is "set -e" at top of the two shellscripts the bot consiste of :P
[08:13] <didrocks> ogra_: rohhh :p
[08:13] <ogra_> anyway, you gan get the current image test status now
[08:13] <ogra_> next i'll make it announce when the tests start and finis
[08:13] <ogra_> h
[08:23] <seb128> imgbot, status bug 1
[08:23] <seb128> imgbot, status 270 makop
[08:23] <imgbot> I have no idea what makop means
[08:23] <seb128> imgbot, status 270 mako
[08:24]  * seb128 stops annoying the bot (and the channel)
[08:24] <imgbot> Image 270 for mako has not started testing yet
[08:24] <ogra_> seb128, no bugs, it only knows touch images
[08:25] <ogra_> well ...
[08:25] <ogra_> not only
[08:25] <ogra_> imgbot, stunt
[08:25]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[08:25] <ogra_> see :)
[08:25] <seb128> imgbot, get a cookie
[08:30] <psivaa> didrocks: writing to /var/crash does not seem to be an issue, i am able to write there as phablet as well as root
[08:30] <didrocks> hum…
[08:31] <didrocks> psivaa: coming to the meeting?
[08:31] <ogra_> imgbot, status 268
[08:32] <imgbot> Image 268 test results on mako - Total: 667 Pass: 667 Crashes: 0 Rate: 100%
[08:32] <psivaa> didrocks: i am in a ho.. must be a wrong one
[08:32] <didrocks> psivaa: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/landing-meeting
[08:32] <ogra_> psivaa, ^^^ can you check why there are no crashers at all ?
[08:32] <didrocks> ogra_: can you read the backlog? :p
[08:33] <ogra_> :P
[08:39] <ogra_> didrocks, cron runs 1h earlier now
[08:39] <didrocks> ogra_: \o/
[08:39] <didrocks> thanks
[08:51] <mhr3> didrocks, silo for 59 pls?
[08:53] <didrocks> mhr3: can you ping the whole EU team please? We try to avoid names :)
[08:54] <didrocks> mhr3: however, running it for you this time :p
[08:57] <davmor2> popey: I think it might be related to this but I can't find it currently let me dig a little more https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1279481
[08:59] <Mirv> popey: so, let's do this slowly, I'm not sure about the process.. there's http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click-from-branch/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>1_armhf.click available
[08:59] <popey> davmor2: thats been critical for 2 weeks ☹
[08:59] <popey> Mirv: looks good
[08:59] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[08:59] <Mirv> popey: so has it been tested so is the next step upload or are there other steps?
[09:00] <popey> Mirv: so you have the credentials to login and update the gallery app by pressing "new version" at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/507/
[09:00] <popey> Mirv: i would not assume it had been tested
[09:00] <popey> "someone" should run the AP tests for that click on a device
[09:01] <Mirv> popey: no, I've credentials to the 'click-toolbelt' tool used by sergio
[09:01] <popey> ah, i know nothing about that
[09:01] <Mirv> popey: how could I convince "someone" to run the AP tests? :D
[09:01] <popey> I'll do it.
[09:01] <Mirv> that was easy!
[09:01] <Mirv> thanks
[09:01] <popey> np
[09:02] <Mirv> the notes I have use CLICK_UPDOWN_UPLOAD_URL=https://upload.apps.ubuntu.com/ env variable when calling the upload tool
[09:04] <popey> Mirv: ok, will get back to you if it passes.
[09:04] <didrocks> popey: and won't say anything if it doesn't pass? :)
[09:04] <popey> typically what's happened before is sergio or balloons have uploaded to the store, I download and then test and find it's broken
[09:04] <popey> exactly
[09:04] <popey> and then bounce it back
[09:05] <popey> i'd rather we test on device before upload to save you waiting for me to test, and me bouncing it back and waiting for reply
[09:08] <mhr3> didrocks, right, will randomize my order, atm it's sil and then you :)
[09:09] <didrocks> mhr3: just ping the 3 of us
[09:09] <didrocks> mhr3: sil is sick today
[09:10] <Mirv> mhr3: o/
[09:19] <popey> Mirv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7183950/ I can't setup the test environment on the phone ☹
[09:19] <popey> some JSON error
[09:20] <Mirv> eh.. I did run phablet-click-test-setup without parameters successfully in the morning
[09:20] <Mirv> oh, ubuntuuitoolkit..
[09:21] <Mirv> oh, actually that too worked, I often have removed that and unity8 from /usr/bin/phablet-click-test-setup manually
[09:21] <Mirv> since they don't work if one is testing a landing PPA with updated unity8/uitk
[09:21] <Mirv> but I hadn't edited the file after last update
[09:27] <popey> Mirv: do i need to wait for you to do something?
[09:30] <ogra_> imgbot, status 269
[09:30] <imgbot> Image 269 test results on mako - Total: 667 Pass: 667 Crashes: 0 Rate: 100%
[09:30] <Mirv> popey: for phablet-click-test-setup to work? no. I'm just suggesting that if there is a temporary problem with downloading ubuntuuitoolkit tests to the device, comment out the two lines 65-66 in phablet-click-test-setup (and add ')') to workaround the problem
[09:31] <ogra_> another 100% one :)
[09:35] <popey> Mirv: it still barfs.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7184021/
[09:40] <Mirv> popey: well remove the unity8 too, but still weird
[09:40] <popey> ok
[09:43] <Mirv> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7184049/
[09:44] <popey> kk
[09:45] <popey> Mirv: still fails for me
[09:45] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7184055/
[09:51] <Mirv> popey: something is borken on your side probably then :(
[09:51] <popey> bah
[09:51] <popey> image 269, what you running?
[09:51] <popey> on mako
[09:52] <Mirv> #269 here too
[09:52] <Mirv> and mako
[09:52] <popey> RW or RO?
[09:52] <Mirv> right, RW
[09:53] <popey> mine is RO
[09:53] <Mirv> that JSON sounds like happening on host though
[09:53]  * popey dist-upgrades
[09:59] <t1mp> Mirv: phablet-click-test-setup worked for me on Thursday/Friday even with a PPA with updated uitk
[09:59] <t1mp> not anymore :(
[09:59] <popey> right, I'm stuck then, I can't test anything now ☹
[10:04] <popey> right, found it..
[10:04] <popey> adb shell click list --user=phablet --manifest
[10:04] <popey> that is executed
[10:04] <mhr3> Mirv, can you pls publish 004 ?
[10:04] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7184114/
[10:05] <popey> so i need to remove an app..
[10:06] <ogra_> popey, ugh
[10:07] <ogra_> "my_cgroup" sounds realted to the new cgroup manager ?
[10:07] <Mirv> t1mp: ok I believe it has never worked for me, since as you see from the error log it tries to download the version of UITK that is in the PPA, and that shouldn't work since it tries to get it from archives. if you do the setup _before_ adding the UITK PPA (or refreshing apt info), then it works
[10:07] <Mirv> mhr3: sure
[10:09] <t1mp> that's weird, I'm quite sure I did it after
[10:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <t1mp> mirv: and zoltan's scripts for testing everything has it after
[10:09] <popey> ogra_: no idea, but sounds plausible.
[10:09] <ogra_> i wonder what click does with cgroups though
[10:10] <ogra_> cjohnston, is there any direct involvement ^^  or is that just transient ?
[10:10] <ogra_> (see popey's last paste)
[10:11] <ogra_> (or probably just a confusingly named variable ?)
[10:11] <t1mp> Mirv: it is confusing. the script does get stuff from the archive so I don't know how it worked for me before
[10:12] <popey> bug 1300130
[10:13] <Mirv> didrocks: I'd need a packaging ack for thumbnailer that adds new dependencies which all seem to be correctly in main: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-004-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_thumbnailer_1.1+14.04.20140331-0ubuntu1.diff
[10:13] <Mirv> also the QML plugin packaging looks good
[10:14] <Mirv> t1mp: that is confusing. if you do apt-add-repository + apt-get update on device, it simply shouldn't work. hmm, the only thing I can think of that it uses host also, and I tend to not have the new UITK installed on host while you probably have?
[10:15] <Mirv> oh, no, that doesn't make sense
[10:15] <Mirv> well, I'm not really expert in click test setup other than workarounding the problems I've hit
[10:17] <didrocks> Mirv: +1
[10:21] <t1mp> Mirv: so to test click packages with a new UITK, I should purge the PPA (or flash a new image), then run phablet-click-test-setup, and then add the PPA?
[10:25] <Mirv> thanks didier
[10:26] <Mirv> t1mp: no, no, or that's not what I do. what I do is edit the click-test-setup to not download the UITK or unity8 since you don't need to have those downloaded for running click tests.
[10:27] <Mirv> btw I filed a bug #phablet-tools in February
[10:27] <Mirv> bug #1280279 even
[10:31] <Mirv> mhr3: thumbnailer published, after checking the packaging changes
[10:31] <mhr3> Mirv, ty
[10:32] <mhr3> Mirv, what does it mean that it's in unapproved?
[10:33] <cjwatson> trusty is frozen - all uploads require manual release team approval
[10:33] <cjwatson> as it happens I'm already looking at it
[10:34] <cjwatson> this is an awful changelog.  what do I have to do to make it less bad in future?
[10:34] <cjwatson> "New minor release", no more details
[10:34] <cjwatson> that's reviewer-hostile
[10:36] <didrocks> cjwatson: you will notice it's similar to lxc "New upstream bugfix release." btw. But yeah, agreed on the changelog
[10:36] <didrocks> (even if lxc then details the packaging changes)
[10:36] <cjwatson> projects that have a real separate upstream existence generally have the upstream changes available somewhere
[10:37] <cjwatson> even if I have to go look them up separately
[10:37] <didrocks> true
[10:37] <cjwatson> https://linuxcontainers.org/news/
[10:37] <Mirv> mhr3: ^
[10:37] <didrocks> right should be at least on the NEWS file IMHO though for easier reviewer
[10:38] <cjwatson> yep, it doesn't have to be in debian/changelog but it should be described somewhere
[10:38] <Mirv> the changelog issue seems quite recurrent in our upstream projects
[10:38] <didrocks> especially for those having a separate release branch…
[10:40] <cjwatson> anyway, having paged through the diff, accepted
[10:40] <didrocks> Mirv: did you succeed in publishing the gallery app in store?
[10:40] <cjwatson> ogra_: if you want my attention you need to spell my nick right
[10:41] <ogra_> cjwatson, lol, sorry
[10:41] <cjwatson> ogra_: click doesn't do anything with cgroups
[10:41] <ogra_> yeah, would have surprised me
[10:41] <cjwatson> well, it's clear in the traceback, that's from apport
[10:42] <Mirv> didrocks: we don't have test results yet of it, so pending that
[10:42] <didrocks> Mirv: ok
[10:43] <dbarth> hi
[10:43] <dbarth> i've got silo 001 tested, now ready for publishing
[10:43] <dbarth> (and being recycled)
[10:44] <dbarth> also i have a bug fix on line 60 for when a silo is available
[10:44] <dbarth> Mirv or didrocks ^^ (as I don't see sil2100 today)
[10:44] <cjwatson> popey: just remove the app with the broken manifest for now and get the author to fix it; I'll fix click list to just log such things on stderr rather than crashing
[10:45] <t1mp> Mirv: ok, thanks. I'll remove the uitk lines from the script then
[10:45] <popey> cjwatson: ok
[10:47] <Laney> Mirv: sooooo I want to do this qtdeclarative upload, how do I go about getting "all AP tests" run or whatever you said needed to happen?
[10:51] <Mirv> Laney: for me it's currently like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7184268/ - in RW mode, after updating to the PPA with updated qtdeclarative. the four commands at the top need to be executed separately (first two on device, last two from host)
[10:51] <Mirv> then I run ./run_all.sh &> results/mybestestqtdeclarative.txt
[10:52] <Laney> ok
[10:52] <Mirv> and then I wonder about whatever flakiness there is and rerun individual test suites until certain enough there are no regressions
[10:52] <Laney> I made a request in line 61 for it
[10:52] <Mirv> dbarth: just a second
[10:55] <davmor2> ogra_: you know when you type cj<tab> you get cjohnston not cjwatson right as I play catch up on the irc backlog ;)
[10:55] <Mirv> dbarth: landing-007
[10:55] <Mirv> Laney: landing-008
[10:56] <Laney> ta
[10:56] <ogra_> davmor2, wrong ... xchat has a patch that makes it pick the last cj<tab> i have talked to ... i just hadnt talked to one of them since my xchat was restarted on sat.
[10:57] <davmor2> ogra_: haha
[10:58] <dbarth> Mirv: cool
[10:58] <Mirv> dbarth: and 001 just published
[10:59] <dbarth> ah, was just going to ask ;)
[10:59] <dbarth> perfect, thanks!
[11:00] <Mirv> no problem
[11:01] <popey> Mirv: gallery passed! Feel free to push to store at your leisure and I'll get it approved
[11:02] <Mirv> popey: cool! let's see what explodes.
[11:05] <Mirv> stuff is happening
[11:06] <Mirv> popey: ok, it ended with "Application uploaded successfully." and "https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/507/"
[11:07] <Mirv> popey: can you check how it looks like? I don't have access to the myapps page.
[11:09] <popey> Mirv: yes, i see it submitted
[11:09] <popey> approved Mirv
[11:10] <Mirv> \o/ I'm approved
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: did gallery remove videos though?
[11:11] <popey> davmor2: not part of my test
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: no indeed but the whole reason of the update was to fix that right?
[11:12] <popey> davmor2: I didnt look at the diff
[11:13] <didrocks> thanks Mirv, popey!
[11:17] <psivaa> didrocks: ogra_: ev: raised bug #1300156 for the crashes not being reported
[11:18] <didrocks> psivaa: see #ubuntu-touch where I pinged you :)
[11:18] <didrocks> psivaa: all fixed and an upload is in unapproved
[11:19] <psivaa> didrocks: ohh, i dont see the ping. but glad that got fixed.
[11:20] <didrocks> I duped you bug to bug #1296026
[11:30] <mhr3> Mirv, yes, silo pls :)
[11:30] <Mirv> mhr3: ;)
[11:31] <Mirv> mhr3: landing-004. I assumed you wouldn't have put it to Ready Yes if it wouldn't be ;)
[11:31] <mhr3> Mirv, thanks
[11:31] <mandel> ogra_, do you know any packaging expert I can get some help from?
[11:50] <ev> thank psivaa
[12:37] <didrocks> ok, going for some exercise
[12:39] <didrocks> ogra_: do you mind kicking an image once apport is in the release pocket? (not yet)
[12:40] <ogra_> didrocks, ok
[12:41] <didrocks> thx!
[12:45] <ogra_> you just want the crashes back :(
[12:57] <mhr3> Mirv, 004 rdy to publish
[12:59] <Mirv> mhr3: looks good, needs packaging ack, maybe ogra? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-004-2-publish/41/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-scopes-shell_0.4.0+14.04.20140331-0ubuntu1.diff
[13:00] <Mirv> also, EODish, usually filled by sil2100 until robru/cypher_mox are about
[13:01] <Mirv> for once someone is getting rid of dependencies instead of adding them :)
[13:01] <ogra_> Mirv, i assume that has been built already ?
[13:01] <ogra_> (i.e. the makefile changes have been tested)
[13:02] <Mirv> ogra_: yep, it's in the landing PPA where mhr3_ has tested if from
[13:02] <ogra_> Mirv, then ack
[13:02] <Mirv> thank you
[13:19] <davmor2> didrocks: have we not hit traincon0 again now?
[13:19] <popey> balloons: mirv pushed gallery 941 to the store and I approved it
[13:19] <popey> fyi
[13:19] <imgbot> [13:22] <balloons> popey, cool.. nice to have Mirv pushing his own stuff :-)
[13:22] <popey> heh
[13:23] <davmor2> didrocks: 269 has mostly worked for me, apps are opening more slowly might need popey to confirm that running side by side with promoted, I've had one crash this morning but that might of been before I updated, the system still feels a little flaky though can't put my finger on why though
[13:23] <popey> balloons: any news on music app? I can't run ap tests on it because of the UnicodeDecodeError ?
[13:23] <popey> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 33484: ordinal not in range(128)
[13:23] <popey> that
[13:24] <davmor2> popey: have you seen that some of the apps are showing odd characters in the descriptions I'm assuming that is down to unicode too
[13:25] <popey> davmor2: such as?
[13:25] <popey> bug 1300230
[13:25] <davmor2> popey: black diamond ? where german/chinese characters should be
[13:25] <popey> balloons: ^
[13:26] <popey> davmor2: no, i mean which app?
[13:26] <balloons> popey, well where we stand is it affects you, and seems to be a locale thing
[13:26] <davmor2> popey: have a look at Tradera for one
[13:27] <balloons> popey, Sergio gave the most helpful response. It's odd we are just now seeing this
[13:27] <davmor2> popey: look like a chinese app next to lastpass
[13:28] <balloons> davmor2, sounds like unicode issues as you say.. maybe that will get more traction :-)
[13:28] <popey> looks fine here davmor2
[13:28] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-31-142807.png
[13:28] <balloons> popey, let's try setting your locale to utf8 and have you run them
[13:28] <davmor2> popey: Rad.io the what's is what?s
[13:28] <davmor2> popey: no in the description of the app not running it
[13:29] <balloons> fginther, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CI/MpTouchDeviceTesting coming to core apps?
[13:29] <popey> ooh
[13:29] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-31-142912.png
[13:29] <popey> yup
[13:29] <davmor2> \o/
[13:29] <davmor2> didrocks: ^ found  abug
[13:29] <balloons> davmor2 stikes again!
[13:30] <davmor2> I blame ogra_ for it of course he is free to pass on the blame though :)
[13:30] <popey> looks fine on the last stable image #250
[13:31] <fginther> balloons, not right away, there are some pieces missing from the core apps jenkins to do the full thing. I do want to ask you about doing an automatic test after building the core apps clicks on s-jenkins
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: thanks for that so it's been introduced recently then
[13:32] <fginther> balloons, I think the next step forward for the core apps is to automate that test after build
[13:36] <balloons> fginther, so you want to run tests on every click that you build on s-jenkins?
[13:37] <fginther> balloons, yes, that was the basic idea.
[13:38] <balloons> sounds like a nice first step.. do you need anything to be able to do that?
[13:39] <popey> balloons: i dont understand why the AP tests for gallery work fine but music dont
[13:39] <popey> on the same device
[13:40] <balloons> popey, let me blow your mind a bit more.. I don't believe anything has changed testwise since last time (and it works for me, heh)
[13:40] <popey> bah
[13:40] <balloons> popey, I'll wager the old click will fail the same as the new one
[13:40] <balloons> you need the old click package?
[13:40] <popey> no i have an archive
[13:40] <popey> but I want to test this click not the old one
[13:40] <popey> am trying on my stable phone
[13:41] <balloons> mmmm.. there you go..
[13:41] <popey> what?
[13:41] <balloons> yes, I just want to see if you can narrow done anything
[13:41] <balloons> I would test the new click on stable and see what happens
[13:41] <popey> kk
[13:41] <popey> doing now
[13:41] <davmor2> popey: confirmation please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1300236
[13:41] <popey> well, prepping
[13:41] <balloons> but truly, I'm curious if the old click gives you the same issue
[13:41] <davmor2> popey: I added your image there too
[13:42] <popey> davmor2: done
[13:42] <popey> balloons: k, will test that too
[13:49] <davmor2> didrocks: one bug of the day https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1300236
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: you don't have to long press when the app is in available only when the app is in installed and my steps were for in available :P  :D
[13:53] <fginther> balloons, regarding the testing - I would like to coordinate these changes so that no-one is surprised. Should I just work with you?
[13:53] <popey> meh
[13:55] <fginther> doanac, I'm curious, why do you need to run system settle before unlocking the device? wouldn't it be just as effective after?
[13:55] <popey> balloons: yeah, fails on 250 image too
[13:55] <doanac> fginther: if it took too long to settle the screen would lock again wouldn't it?
[13:58] <fginther> doanac, that wasn't my understanding.  I thought this unlock method was permanent until unity8 is restarted. Should check with mterry to know for sure
[13:58] <fginther> doing so now
[13:59] <doanac> fginther: that would solve my complaint then
[14:02] <popey> balloons: fails on #250 with music app 389 too.
[14:02] <popey> so is this an autopilot fail?
[14:08] <didrocks> doanac: did you ping upstream about? Do you know starting what image this is a regression for?
[14:10] <doanac> didrocks: must not be in my back scroll. what regression are you curious about?
[14:10] <didrocks> doanac: sorry, too many d here :p
[14:10] <didrocks> davmor2: ^
[14:10] <didrocks> (we should kill them all) ;)
[14:11] <davmor2> didrocks: yeah starting at di :P  I'm just chatting about it on touch  popey says it isn't effecting 250 so it is a recent change I'm guessing
[14:12] <popey>  /nick dopey
[14:13] <didrocks> popey: \o/
[14:13] <didrocks> davmor2: you are going to bisect?
[14:13] <didrocks> davmor2: starts maybe with images which contains unity8 only
[14:17] <davmor2> didrocks: yeah I'll start that in a bit I have a juggling act on at the minute
[14:18] <fginther> doanac, I was wrong, the screen can lock back without the powerd commands executed
[14:19] <popey> davmor2: do you know if we have a bug for the fact that when you go back from preview, the apps lens goes back to the top?
[14:19] <doanac> fginther: actually - that's another thing. i think our scritps grab power locks after we reboot and before we unlock the screen
[14:19] <davmor2> popey: not that I'm aware of
[14:19] <doanac> so there are a couple of things we need to hook into this logic
[14:19] <popey> k, I'll file
[14:20] <davmor2> sorry popey  I meant dopey for that obviously ;)
[14:20] <popey> heh
[14:21] <fginther> doanac, yep, reboots kinda suck
[14:43] <davmor2> didrocks: so it looks like it might be the new apps scope in which case it will of been in play from when that landed by the sound of it
[14:44] <imgbot> [14:44] <imgbot> [14:44] <didrocks> davmor2: do you have an exact unity8 version for Saviq?
[14:46] <davmor2> didrocks: no not yet I was talking to alecu on a u1 channel to see who would be the best person to talk to, apparently it may of been introduce when the click scope dropped the vala backend for the c++ one he is currently looking at that by the sound of it
[14:46] <didrocks> davmor2: ok ;)
[14:46] <Saviq> davmor2, didrocks, dobey is looking into it
[14:47] <Saviq> it's most probably the click scope
[14:47] <mhr3> Mirv, still here?
[14:47] <davmor2> Saviq: indeed I searched on music for "de" and the first search found in grooveshark is looking correctly unicoded
[14:48] <davmor2> didrocks: ^
[14:48] <mhr3> Mirv, silo for line #10 and #26 pls? (cc: didrocks)
[14:49] <didrocks> mhr3: maybe try cyphermox  at this time as well :)
[14:49] <didrocks> he should be around
[14:49] <cyphermox> moo?
[14:49] <cyphermox> haha :D
[14:49] <mhr3> didrocks, see you keep changing who should i ping all the time, how am i supposed to read your mind? :P
[14:49] <didrocks> mhr3: Mirv finished ~1h ago from now
[14:50] <didrocks> so US timezone :)
[14:50] <cyphermox> mhr3: topic.
[14:50] <didrocks> knowing that robru is here quite later (west coast)
[14:50] <mhr3> cyphermox, silo for #10 and #26 pls
[14:50] <cyphermox> yup
[14:58] <cyphermox> didrocks: shouldn't the spreadsheet update with the silo number once I assigned it? :)
[14:59] <cyphermox> mhr3: landing-001 for line #10, in case it takes a while to update the spreadsheet
[14:59] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, you have to wait for 3 minutes at most (so average 1.5 min)
[14:59] <cyphermox> I'm looking at line #26 now
[14:59] <didrocks> as there is a double rsync
[14:59] <mhr3> cyphermox, k, ty
[14:59] <ogra_> imgbot, status 270
[14:59] <imgbot> Image 270 for mako has not started testing yet
[14:59] <ogra_> slacker ...
[15:03] <davmor2> ogra_: why haven't you tested it and given imgbot the right info then? ;)
[15:21] <Saviq> fginther, hey, I was thinking... we're starting to look into converting our qmluitests to an autopkgtest, was it considered to run those as part of ci jobs? or are we going for airline ci directly (will we still have single-branch auto-run ci when we get to airline at all?)
[15:27] <fginther> Saviq, will get back to you shortly (in a meeting)
[15:27] <Saviq> fginther, sure
[15:44] <rsalveti> didrocks: can you help us reconfiguring silo-15?
[15:44] <rsalveti> we added a new MR to the list
[15:44] <rsalveti> (powerd)
[15:44] <rsalveti> it seems I can't reconfigure it
[15:44] <didrocks> rsalveti: a new components that wasn't in the initiale list?
[15:44] <didrocks> component*
[15:44] <rsalveti> didrocks: yes
[15:44] <didrocks> rsalveti: IIRC, you had extra power though to run the other job
[15:45] <ogra_> imgbot, status 270
[15:45] <imgbot> Image 270 for mako has not finished the tests, status is: Running
[15:45] <rsalveti> didrocks: that's what I was trying to understand :-)
[15:45] <rsalveti> didrocks: which job?
[15:45] <ogra_> great
[15:46] <didrocks> rsalveti: let me first try, then, I'll tell you if nothing is broken :)
[15:46] <rsalveti> didrocks: I only have the 'debug mode' option
[15:46] <rsalveti> at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-015-0-reconfigure/build at least
[15:46] <didrocks> rsalveti: ok, you are on the wrong job for reconfiguring if you add new components :)
[15:46] <rsalveti> got it
[15:46] <didrocks> (options depending on creds isn't available on jenkins :/)
[15:46] <rsalveti> do I need to use the main job?
[15:46] <didrocks> yeah
[15:47] <didrocks> I did that
[15:47] <didrocks> then, checked "ignore conflicting…"
[15:47] <didrocks> (for that one)
[15:47] <didrocks> and click "proceed"
[15:47] <rsalveti> didrocks: hm, don't have permission to build it
[15:47] <didrocks> oh? I thought you had all super power
[15:48] <rsalveti> me too
[15:48] <didrocks> let me check you are in the right teams
[15:48] <didrocks> (done)
[15:48] <didrocks> rsalveti: added you to ~ubuntu-unity
[15:48] <didrocks> rsalveti: so, for that job, you need first to select the right line
[15:49] <balloons> fginther, you can work with me, but I will be out for a week. What's the timeline you had in mind?
[15:49] <didrocks> and then, popup the dialogbox
[15:49] <didrocks> (select the right line == have the cursor on the line you want to configure)
[15:49] <didrocks> rsalveti: done for this one
[15:49] <rsalveti> didrocks: great, can build it now, awesome
[15:49] <didrocks> rsalveti: yw!
[15:50] <rsalveti> didrocks: thanks
[15:50] <rsalveti> Saviq: should be done
[15:53] <fginther> balloons, I'd like to have it in place by the end of the week
[15:54] <balloons> fginther, sounds like someone else should have a go. I'm here tomorrow then gone. Volunteers?
[15:54] <fginther> balloons, who will be pushing app updates while you are out?
[15:59] <fginther> Saviq, I'm back. +1 on going to autopkgtest. that will plug right into the ci-airline as dep8 tests are a primary function.
[16:01] <fginther> Saviq, I do not expect to have single branch ci working first thing. We are focusing on replacing the current ci-train functionality in the first phase
[16:01] <balloons> fginther, mirv is the man on this one ;-)
[16:02] <didrocks> cyphermox: ogra_: balloons: coming?
[16:03] <ogra_> trying to
[16:03] <ogra_> my sound doesnt work at all
[16:03]  * ogra_ only gets choppy stuff
[16:04] <ogra_> didrocks, sorry, trying to upgrade my hangouts plugin
[16:04] <ogra_> please ping me if there is anything urgent
[16:06] <didrocks> plars: coming?
[16:08] <plars> didrocks: oh, time change
[16:08] <plars> ber
[16:08] <plars> err
[16:08] <plars> brt
[16:10] <ogra_> *SH*T*
[16:10] <ogra_> !
[16:10] <ogra_> so not even a new FF and HO plugin help
[16:10]  * ogra_ curses
[16:10] <Saviq> fginther, okies
[16:11] <popey> davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1300302
[16:13] <popey> davmor2: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1300304
[16:16] <popey> davmor2: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1300309
[16:20] <ogra_> didrocks, lets do it on IRC
[16:20] <balloons> didrocks, might be easier to finish in irc?
[16:21] <t1mp> hello
[16:22] <ogra_> didrocks, didnt get any better
[16:23] <davmor2> didrocks: seriously give up on the hangout you keep getting taken over by didroid!!!!
[16:24] <ogra_> didrocks, so i was talking about bug 1290771
[16:24] <popey> davmor2: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1300312
[16:25] <ogra_> didrocks, so probably foundations can help
[16:26] <didrocks> yeah, giving up on the hangout
[16:26] <ogra_> since they are the ones complaining the most about it
[16:26] <cjwatson> eh, it's not exactly a top priority for us
[16:26] <cjwatson> just notifying you
[16:27] <popey> davmor2: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-31-172649.png
[16:27] <popey>  is that the greying issue you see?
[16:27] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, infinity made some fuss about it on the weekend and slangasek seemsed unhappy too
[16:27] <ogra_> *seemed
[16:27] <davmor2> popey: yeap
[16:27] <cjwatson> ogra_: sure, anyone who reviews uploads will notice it, but that's in our (essentially community) release team capacity
[16:28] <cjwatson> it's not a foundations priority
[16:28] <ogra_> ok
[16:28] <cjwatson> we're just pointing it out :)
[16:29] <t1mp> can someone update a landing proposal in CI rain for me?
[16:29] <ogra_> well, adam pointed it out with a megaphone and waving red flags in both hands ... but yeah :)
[16:29] <t1mp> on the spreadsheet, line 31 (UITK proposal) I'd like to remove the last MR (fix-swipe-delete-002)
[16:29] <Laney> "please stop doing this" doesn't have to be the same as "let me help you fix this" ...
[16:30] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, so in summary…
[16:30] <didrocks> (while I'm connected)
[16:30] <ogra_> Laney, nope, but when i carried it forward to didier (who owns the code) he said he has no time to work on it ... which was why i suggested to ask the people that are concerned about it if they have spare cycles
[16:30] <didrocks> ogra_: tell people to give a correct algorithm to detect that case
[16:30] <didrocks> and I can integrate it
[16:31] <didrocks> knowing that:
[16:31] <ogra_> didrocks, right, now you missed a bunch of conversation  ....
[16:31] <didrocks> you can have other commits that was done before
[16:31] <didrocks> and so generate a changelog content
[16:32] <seb128> didrocks, well, an entry with no chars out of space ones and "*" should be easy enough to detect
[16:32] <cjwatson> ogra_: right, sorry and all but I know at least I don't have time to help fix the changelog generator - if nobody has cycles then I guess it'll remain unfixed
[16:32] <didrocks> seb128: you can have other commits before
[16:32] <seb128> didrocks, it's not a perfect solution, but seems the only buggy case we had were ending up with "* " as changelog entry
[16:32] <ogra_> cjwatson, right, fine with me, adams unhappyness simply made me try to get the concern forward
[16:32] <didrocks> so this commit will have no entry
[16:33] <seb128> didrocks, sure, but that still makes the entry with "* " buggy
[16:33] <didrocks> what is hiding the issue
[16:33] <didrocks> yeah, but you are hiding the fact that people edit debian/changelog without putting content
[16:33] <seb128> hiding?
[16:33] <seb128> we are speaking about rejecting/failing build for those
[16:33] <seb128> that would "hide" anything
[16:34] <seb128> wouldn't*
[16:34] <didrocks> so I can block on that, trying to detect it
[16:34] <didrocks> but it will clearly hide other cases
[16:34] <didrocks> that are invalid as well
[16:35] <seb128> well if you reject that particular case ang change nothing else, I fail to see how it would "hide" mroe
[16:35] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but let's say I've 3 commits
[16:35] <didrocks> I generated debian/changelog with UNRELEASED
[16:35] <didrocks> then, I have this commit
[16:35] <seb128> it would be the same situation as before, with one case of error blocked
[16:35] <didrocks> which edits the changelog
[16:35] <didrocks> only to change the version
[16:35] <didrocks> so, the change will still apply
[16:36] <seb128> you are maybe overthinking it?
[16:36] <seb128> can't we just check at publishing time, don't dput if the changelog entry is buggy
[16:36] <ogra_> didrocks, you are blocking to early ...
[16:36] <seb128> the changelog is built at this point
[16:36] <seb128> it's easier to check the result
[16:36] <didrocks> and you won't see it
[16:36] <didrocks> in that case
[16:36] <didrocks> you will see the 3 other commits ocntent
[16:36] <didrocks> but nothing else
[16:37] <ogra_> didrocks, you only want to check the last entry of the generated source package ... if thats empty, refuse the build
[16:37] <didrocks> which edits the changelog
[16:37] <didrocks> only to change the version
[16:37] <didrocks> so, the change will still apply
[16:37] <didrocks> and you won't see it
[16:37] <didrocks> in that case
[16:37] <didrocks> you will see the 3 other commits ocntent
[16:37] <didrocks> but nothing else
[16:37] <didrocks> seb128: again, yeah, but you will hide other potential
[16:37] <didrocks> issues
[16:39] <ogra_> didrocks, but even cu2d creates .changes files no ?
[16:39] <didrocks> in a hangout
[16:39] <seb128> didrocks, I fail to see how "rejecting one case" is hiding issue over letting it in
[16:39] <seb128> but anyway, that's a minor issue
[16:39] <ogra_> grep \* /path/to.changes .... then chop off the asterisk ... if your result is an empty string, FTBFS
[16:40] <seb128> if somebody really wants to see it fixed they can work on a patch
[16:40] <Laney> this 'please run all autopilot tests' is painful
[16:40] <Laney> it's been like 6 hours now
[16:41] <popey> davmor2: another https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1300326
[16:41] <seb128> Laney, it's almost like building webkit!
[16:42] <Laney> it'd be cool if webkit made the machine make random noises every now and again
[16:42] <ogra_> about time we get arm64 phones
[16:42] <didrocks> seb128: +1
[16:44] <Saviq> didrocks, silo bad http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-015-1-build/60/console ?
[16:54] <Saviq> didrocks, cyphermox, rsalveti, looks like silo 015 got broken ↑
[16:54] <Saviq> and can't reconfigure: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-015-0-reconfigure/26/console
[16:55] <cyphermox> looking
[17:01] <robru> cyphermox, any thoughts? it looks like the ID matches in the spreadsheet, not sure why it wouldn't find it
[17:01] <cyphermox> not sure, no
[17:02] <cyphermox> I assume it changed as it was reconfigured by an admin?
[17:02] <robru> cyphermox, no, the ID only gets assigned when it's new. there's a code block that checks to make sure we don't clobber IDs that are in use.
[17:03] <cyphermox> well then let's check on jenkins directly
[17:03] <robru> cyphermox, the number matches in jenkins...
[17:03] <cyphermox> i mean in the files...
[17:07] <cyphermox> robru: btw, line 25 should already ahve been assigned to silo 2...
[17:07] <cyphermox> or maybe not
[17:08] <robru> cyphermox, wasn't sure about that one. silo 2 came from a different line, but many same components
[17:08] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:09] <robru> cyphermox, i guess silo 2 is one of those ignoreconflicts special cases, so maybe we should assign line 25 anyway?
[17:09] <cyphermox> depends if mhr3 agrees
[17:10] <robru> cyphermox, i'm going to try re-preparing silo 15
[17:10] <cyphermox> ok
[17:10] <mhr3> cyphermox, fine with me
[17:12] <robru> cyphermox, that's really bizarre, re-prepare gave the same error. I just checked the file, the json looks fine and python parses it fine
[17:12] <cyphermox> and up to Saviq, too
[17:12] <robru> Saviq, the only solution I can think of so far is to smash out the silo with a crowbar
[17:13] <robru> Saviq, (i want to free your silo then reassign)
[17:15] <Saviq> robru, please do
[17:15] <robru> ok
[17:15] <Saviq> robru, I'm worried PPAs will be unhelpful, though, as we might end up with packages of the same version as deleted ones
[17:16] <Saviq> robru, and PPA will reject different .orig.tar.gz
[17:16] <robru> Saviq, well the new silo will likely be a different one
[17:16] <Saviq> robru, yeah, that will help :)
[17:16] <robru> but also, just version bump ;-)
[17:16] <robru> hmmm, silo 15 it seems is in a really bad way, I can't even free it...
[17:17] <Saviq> :|
[17:17] <robru> cyphermox, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-015-3-merge-clean/11/console does this mean anything to you? it seems to indicate that some kind of 'global' 'config' is missing...
[17:18] <robru> cyphermox, Saviq oh wait, maybe it's not the silo that's broken... maybe this is all of citrain?
[17:19] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:19] <cyphermox> hold on
[17:20] <robru> cyphermox, are you poking at the server?
[17:21] <davmor2> popey: confirmed
[17:22] <cyphermox> robru: I was, butI don't see anything meaningful
[17:22] <popey> davmor2: did you say you had a bug for apps showing as available when already installed?
[17:23] <popey> nvm, found it davmor2 bug 1279481
[17:24] <cyphermox> ah, got it
[17:24] <cyphermox> robru: the status part is there
[17:24] <robru> cyphermox, I assume that cupstream2distro-config went missing? redeploy?
[17:24] <cyphermox> doubt it's relevant
[17:29] <cyphermox> robru: going to try again to free it
[17:32] <cyphermox> gah
[17:35] <Saviq> cyphermox, robru, I'm going away, so just do whatever you need to do...
[17:36] <cyphermox> sure
[17:36] <robru> Saviq, ok, we're trying
[17:36] <cyphermox> robru: will reconfigure a different way
[17:36] <Saviq> kgunn, fyi ↑ ci tracks seem to have bent...
[17:36] <cyphermox> guh
[17:37] <cyphermox> robru: I'm unable to deal with this, let's call didrcoks
[17:37] <robru> cyphermox, yeah, i'm also stumped. mup?
[17:37] <cyphermox> yah
[17:38] <cyphermox> who does it?
[17:38] <robru> cyphermox, i thought you'd do it ;-)
[17:38] <cyphermox> ok
[17:39] <robru> wait
[17:40] <robru> cyphermox, /srv/juju/vol-0000011d/var/lib/jenkins/silos/landing-015/config is blank
[17:40] <robru> cyphermox, I'm gonna try copying it from the public URL
[17:41] <robru> cyphermox, Saviq, kgunn: ok I fixed it
[17:43] <robru> Saviq, ok, reconfigured, and I'm rebuilding for you too since you stepped out. should be ready to test when you get back
[17:45] <robru> cyphermox, and I put line 25 into silo 4
[17:45] <bfiller> robru: hi, when you have a chance I need silos for line 62 and 63
[17:45] <cyphermox> ok
[17:46] <cyphermox> so 15 is sitll broke for now?
[17:46] <robru> cyphermox, no no, i fixed it
[17:46] <cyphermox> good
[17:46] <cyphermox> then I'll sms didrocks back to say it's good
[17:47] <robru> cyphermox, somehow the config got lost from the jenkins server, but it was still live at ~platform/citrain, so I just copied the json back and then it was right as rain
[17:47] <cyphermox> good
[17:48] <robru> bfiller, ok, you got silos 10 and 11
[17:48] <bfiller> robru: thanks
[17:49] <robru> bfiller, you're welcome
[18:58] <robru> lunch!
[19:21] <ogra_> imgbot, status 270
[19:21] <imgbot> Image 270 test results on mako - Total: 667 Pass: 629 Crashes: 8 Rate: 97.0%
[19:21] <ogra_> woah
[19:24] <davmor2> ogra_: for some reason I keep reading that as 667 pass: 629 Crashes and thinking that kinda sucks :)
[19:25] <ogra_> should i add some commas ??
[19:25] <ogra_> imgbot, status 270
[19:26] <imgbot> Image 270 test results on mako - Total: 667, Pass: 629, Crashes: 8, Rate: 97.0%
[19:26] <ogra_> better ?
[19:26] <ogra_> 8i mean the values are still pretty awful)
[19:27] <davmor2> ogra_: \o/
[19:27] <ogra_> imgbot, stunt
[19:27]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[19:27] <ogra_> :)
[19:28] <davmor2> ogra_: haha
[19:28] <ogra_> i taught it tricks on the weekend :)
[19:29] <davmor2> ogra_: you have too much free time obviously ;)
[19:30] <ogra_> heh
[19:33] <circ-user-0Y8UF> imgbot, status 270
[19:34] <imgbot> Image 270 test results on mako - Total: 667, Pass: 629, Crashes: 8, Rate: 97.0%
[19:35] <circ-user-0Y8UF> imgbot, status 270 flo
[19:35] <imgbot> Image 270 test results on flo - Total: 667, Pass: 663, Crashes: 4, Rate: 99.0%
[19:37] <circ-user-0Y8UF> imgbot, stunt
[19:37]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[19:53] <bfiller> robru: silo 10 ready for release
[20:10] <sergiusens> robru: cyphermox can you free up silo 5? as in cancel?
[20:11] <cyphermox> sure
[20:11] <cyphermox> sergiusens: nothing to keep?
[20:11] <sergiusens> cyphermox: nope; we will regen when needed
[20:11] <sergiusens> they are small packages
[20:12] <sergiusens> cyphermox: just leave the line in "Pending"
[20:14] <cyphermox> ok
[20:18] <popey> balloons: finally got the tests running and get one failure...
[20:18] <popey> balloons: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7186673/
[20:21] <tedg> I finished the testing on silo-001, can someone finish it off?
[20:24] <balloons> popey, so what was the issue in the end?
[20:24] <balloons> popey, ohh the playshape thing. I didn't think andrew landed that
[20:24] <balloons> weird
[20:25] <dbarth> robru: silo 9 ready for release now
[20:25] <dbarth> robru: just a heads up, that's the one that switches the browser and webapp container to oxide
[20:26] <dbarth> tested since friday, supports old webapps as well as the new 14.04 ones (those only are switched to oxide)
[20:26] <kenvandine> dbarth, that's exciting!
[20:26] <kenvandine> dbarth, and scary :)
[20:27] <dbarth> a bit, but after using for a bit we think it's ready now
[20:27] <kenvandine> great
[20:28] <dbarth> i guess the release team wants to look at this one a bit more closely before the next image, so that's why i'm mentioning
[20:34]  * tedg 's silo is less scary :-)
[20:35] <cwayne_> vanguard ping
[20:44] <robru> tedg, silo 1 published.
[20:44] <robru> well, almost. pending packaging ack
[20:44] <tedg> robru, Great, thanks!
[20:49] <bfiller> robru: line 44 ready for release, as well as line 62
[20:49] <robru> thanks, will release soon
[20:52] <josharenson> Question about ci & tests... If I push a new branch of Mir, does it run the test that are included with the source (same as running ctest) or are there separate tests that only Jenkins runs?
[21:16] <josharenson> fginther: Do you have any info on this ^^^ ?
[21:21] <fginther> josharenson, jenkins does a standard binary package build using pbuilder. So if the tests are executed by debian/rules. jenkins will run them. There are some special settings for mir...
[21:22] <fginther> for mir, the jenkins build sets -DENABLE_MEMCHECK_OPTION=ON and -DDISABLE_GTEST_TEST_DISCOVERY=ON
[21:22] <fginther> and specifically for armhf: -DMIR_RUN_ACCEPTANCE_TESTS=NO and -DMIR_RUN_INTEGRATION_TESTS=NO
[21:23] <josharenson> fginther: thanks, thats helpful. Is there an easy way to view all the commands executed for the build?
[21:23] <josharenson> or is that really it?
[21:25] <fginther> josharenson, there's not a real good way to view the commands individually as jenkins uses pbuilder which does all the building
[21:27] <fginther> josharenson, there is a set of pbuilder hook scripts that implement the customized build options. If you are interested in these, they are contained in lp:pbuilderjenkins
[21:27] <fginther> josepht, the set of hooks for mir is "H05set_package_version H10enable_coverage H10disable_mir_test_runs B10gcovr_run H15enable_testing D10install_valgrind B09copy_results C09copy_results" which is viewable in the jenkins build parameter list
[21:29] <josharenson> fginther: thanks a bunch, just trying to get as close as I can to the jenkins build locally so I don't have to push a bunch of garbage while I'm learning.
[21:54] <Saviq> robru, thanks
[21:54] <robru> Saviq, you're welcome
[23:25] <kgunn> hey robru or cyphermox....that line 64 for platform does conflict, but with the split greeter silo that won't land for some time
[23:26] <kgunn> i think line64 is the only legit platform-api that wants to land
[23:52] <sergiusens> robru: hey, can I get a silo for phablet-tools l65?


[00:10] <ailo_> paultag, Is it ok if you keep the package part of this app, and I just provide you with the source? I feel there's too many things that are over my head at the moment, which will require many days of study to master.
[00:12] <ailo_> paultag, I think it would be better you took control of the packagin completely, since I'm just likely to mess that up.
[00:13] <ailo_> paultag, Before we decide to upload the package, we still need to try it out I think.
[00:20] <ailo_> paultag, How about setting up something a little more structured for the next release? Maybe you could set up the workflow for that?
[00:23] <paultag> ailo_: I'll fix the rest of the issues on this package when I get my uni work done :)
[00:24] <paultag> ailo_: then we can get our FFe and try and upload.
[00:24] <paultag> hopefully persia can help, once it's in decent shape
[00:25] <ailo_> paultag, The app is not totally done yet. There's still some facelifting on the glade file, and I'd like to do some testing too  before we decide anything.
[00:25] <paultag> OK.
[00:25] <paultag> ailo_: let me know when I need to fix up the package. it's clean to test with right now
[00:25] <ailo_> paultag, It would be great if we could just have a package to install to test it.
[00:26] <paultag> ailo_: it's already there, the issues are policy issues
[00:26] <ailo_> paultag, Could you build it and give us a link?
[00:26] <paultag> ailo_: I am not at home, but I can put it up on metatron.pault.ag, if you need it right now
[00:27] <ailo_> paultag, No immediate hurry of course. Just so we can have a go with it and see if it works :P
[00:27] <paultag> k
[00:27] <paultag> it's still building :)
[14:35] <scott-work> new jack is released...well, a new version of jack1 is released, which honestly is a little less bit exciting to me actually, but still...yay!
[14:57] <scott-work> wow, and nedko already has a patch for it for d-bus support :)
[18:31] <ailo__> paultag, So, I was thinking about a workflow for a future development of the ubuntustudio-controls. I'm learning more about git at the moment. Using it for my own projects and messing around with it. We should create a common repo for that, no? We might need someone to lead the development. Would you be interested? I can see myself adding to it, at least. We should check with falktx too to see what plans he had for his own
[18:31] <ailo__> control application. What do you think?
[18:39] <paultag> ailo__: sure. sounds about right


[07:19] <sitter> yofel, sgclark: FYI ubuntu appstream data for some reason has a weird dolphin icon `appstreamcli get org.kde.dolphin.desktop --details|grep Icon` -> gwenview /var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-xenial-universe/64x64/dolphin_system-file-manager.png
[07:19] <sitter> I don't know more than that unfortunately
[07:44] <sitter> yofel, sgclark: probably this http://markmail.org/message/3fmqutpjz3jedw3o so not much to be done right nwo
[07:44] <sitter> lead me to realize this http://markmail.org/message/vhz5duiiiye6ah36 which is also not something that can be solved right now
[07:44] <sitter> oh yeah I didn't mention this... all of this means icons in discover are fishy ;)
[07:45] <sitter> http://imgur.com/Rj8im7p
[08:27] <yofel> cyphermox: thank you very much for looking at ubiquity!
 humans, I've changed my IRC nick to be the same as telegram.
 hint: it's missing the -
[09:11] <yofel> :D
[09:16] <mparillo> !testers
[09:17] <mparillo> New release candidate is up: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds
[09:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:47] <mparillo> Howdy BluesKaj. This morning's release candidate (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds) dumped me straight into a live session without the try / install option first.
[09:48] <mparillo> On physical HW. I will test in a VM in two or three hours.
[09:48] <yofel> another RC will be coming with a bunch of core fixes + akonadi first run fix
[09:48] <mparillo> TY yofel
[09:53] <BluesKaj> so whern can we dump the staging and landing ppas and just rely on the default repos?
[09:54] <BluesKaj> when
[09:55] <BluesKaj> or should I have removed them already?
[10:03] <BluesKaj> well, they're gone now
[10:04] <yofel> they should already not make much of a difference..
[10:04] <yofel> clivejo: what was the state with settings?
[10:05] <BluesKaj> yofel,  ok thanks
[10:08]  * ahoneybun has staging from sgclark as well
 thanks @ovidiuflorin looks like it works now
[10:32] <clivejo> yofel: cant figure out how to do it the "correct" way
[10:34] <clivejo> If I create /etc/xdg/kickoffrc and add the favourites there it seems to work for new users
[10:34] <clivejo> but Sho_ informs me this is the wrong way to do it
[11:19] <yofel> clivejo: please just do what works, has to be up today if we still want that on the release images
[11:21] <clivejo> I probably wont get anything done on it until this evening, with good weather Ive a lot to do outside and Im only inside grabbing some lunch and making phone call
[11:58] <soee> clivejo: @ last comment here
[11:58] <soee> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347602
[11:58] <soee> we have it working in Xenial right ?
[11:58] <soee> for me it works as it should now
[12:13] <yofel> Fixed in xenial, yes. And as the complaining user rightfully points out, not fixed in anything earlier
[12:14] <sgclark> heh
[12:14] <sgclark> can not even keep up with this release
[12:15] <sgclark> clivejo: if you can just commit that kickerrc I can clean up the rest of the package and upload.
[13:03] <clivejo> sgclark: just create a new file ( /etc/xdg/kickoffrc ) in that file put the contents of http://paste.ubuntu.com/15947501/
[13:04] <clivejo> that should then build the following KickOff menu for new users - http://s31.postimg.org/qy02ciul7/Screenshot_20160420_140018.png
[13:05] <sgclark> clivejo: ok thanks
[13:05] <sgclark> gonna give one last effort at fixing that folderview
[13:05] <clivejo> Ive been looking too, there is absolutely no information I can find for plasma 5
[13:06] <clivejo> seriously need some distro guides
[13:06] <yofel> go to the shiny new distrio ML and sream DOCS
[13:06] <clivejo> I swapped dolpin for Quazzel
[13:06] <yofel> *scream
[13:07] <clivejo> hope everyones happy with those apps
[13:07] <yofel> as long as you don't mean you swapped quassel in the xml, yes
[13:07] <clivejo> I had Quaseel in the favourite apps
[13:07] <clivejo> and got shouted at
[13:08] <clivejo> and forgot doplin
[13:08] <clivejo> so I swapped them
[13:08] <yofel> heh
[13:08] <yofel> the app list is fine I think
[13:08] <mamarley> Wait Kubuntu comes with Quassel again?  I thought it had switched back to Konversation.
[13:08] <yofel> mamarley: it does NOT
[13:09] <mamarley> I didn't think so, but what clivejo said confused me.
[13:10] <clivejo> mamarley: I was trying to build a default fav list
[13:10] <clivejo> and I asked for help with it
[13:10] <clivejo> I thought quassel was default, but I was wrong
[13:10] <mamarley> Ah, OK.
[13:10] <clivejo> and I missed dolphin
[13:11] <clivejo> this is the list Ive asked sgclark to include - http://s31.postimg.org/qy02ciul7/Screenshot_20160420_140018.png
[13:11] <mamarley> Looks good :)
[13:11] <clivejo> its just for new users
[13:12] <mamarley> I know
[13:12] <clivejo> as the default fav list is very bland
[13:13] <clivejo> I was looking into adding the Kubuntu logo as the Kickoff icon, but that seems to be unpopular so I gave up on that
[13:13] <clivejo> no point wasting time adding something people dont want!
[13:14] <mamarley> Indeed.
[13:14] <clivejo> even if I think its pretty!
[13:14]  * yofel wonders if khelpcenter should really be there....
[13:14] <clivejo> is there another help factility?
[13:15] <yofel> I looked at like 5 pages, and 4 were either broken, looked weird or had misleading information (Ctrl+Q does NOT list your activities...)
[13:15] <yofel> no
[13:15] <sgclark> yeah it is quite broken currently
[13:15] <sgclark> an embarrasment really lol
[13:16] <sgclark> makes me think I need to go back to documentation, but then I remember I have not enough hours in the day to do more.
[13:16] <yofel> if that dosen't improve we might want to replace that with a web link to docs.kubuntu.org
[13:16] <sgclark> maybe we can do that now?
[13:16] <marco-parillo> clivejo: I like the idea of the Kubuntu logo, but when I started paying attention the vision of Kubuntu was to not unnecessarily change upstream defaults. Now that we have had some turnover, I think the KC can re-visit that, but I think it is a bit late now.
[13:16] <clivejo> cause docs.kubuntu.org is better?
[13:16] <yofel> which ofc. doesn't help offline usecases
[13:17] <sgclark> oh
[13:17] <sgclark> yeah
[13:17] <sgclark> there is that
[13:17] <sgclark> kubuntu-logo is fine, as long as both light and dark breeze look good with it.
[13:17] <clivejo> maybe some of our guys could contribute to that project
[13:18] <clivejo> well this is what my dark breeze looks like with kubuntu logo - http://s3.postimg.org/3ukpbnykj/Kick_Off2.png
[13:19] <clivejo> Im actually keeping it
[13:19] <yofel> IIRC as long as it uses docbook nobody WANTS to contribute to it
[13:19] <clivejo> ah
[13:19] <clivejo> dunno what to suggest, for new users a Help guide is pretty essential in my view
[13:20] <yofel> and I haven't seen Darkwing around in ages, he was the last real maintainer of our kubuntu khelpcenter docs. And the later attempts at generating that never really worked out
[13:20] <clivejo> when I first came to Kubuntu it was in the menu
[13:22] <clivejo> but through plasma 5 the favourites list seems to have got smaller and smaller
[13:22] <clivejo> I think theres only two on it now, browser and settings
[13:22] <yofel> yeah. It's one of the things that suffers from there not being an official "KDE Release" anymore, only random software pieces that distros are supposed to patch together
[13:24] <sgclark> heh I was suppose to take over docbook for kubuntu, you all kinda got me a bit distracted
[13:24] <yofel> yeah, I know that feeling :D
[13:25] <clivejo> the way things are moving youd need a full time team working on docs
[13:26] <clivejo> probably need some kind of version control too
[13:26] <sgclark> well most of should go upstream
[13:27] <clivejo> anyways, the orchard isnt going to mow itself
[13:42] <cyphermox> yofel: sorry it took so long
[13:43] <cyphermox> yofel: it's still going to need some more love though, I'm not that good at QT... there's definite room for improvement
[13:47] <yofel> "not crashing" will have to do for now, but we'll have some SRUs to do so 16.04.1 can really be recommended
[13:52] <BluesKaj> hmm, suddenly some webstes aren't rendering properly looks like a flash problem, but I can't be sure, http://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/ontario/ottawa
[13:57] <libi> hello everyone here
[14:04] <yofel> cyphermox: sorry to ask you, but would you by any chance have time to mangle this into ubiquity? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-April/010350.html
[14:04] <yofel> If not, should I make a debdiff on a bug and ping the release team? (I only will have time for this in a couple hours)
[14:04] <yofel> (ubiquity doesn't chroot when editing the sddm auto login config)
[14:05] <cyphermox> I suppose we can probably squeeze it in (since we're fixing casper shortly, and that might require a respin)
[14:05] <cyphermox> could you bring it up on #ubuntu-release?
[14:05] <yofel> ok
[14:07] <cyphermox> if you have a debdiff, that would help too, since I'm not sure I understand what the patch is
[14:07] <cyphermox> this needs a fix in user-setup and a ubiquity update
[14:07] <cyphermox> (the file comes from user-setup)
[14:09] <yofel> the patch is in plain diff format, so yeah, that'll need redoing
[16:03] <clivejo> sgclark: did you get kubuntu-settings patched up?
[16:03] <sgclark> no still messing about with folderview
 @Yofel any idea how to fix the doc server?
[19:05] <yofel> @athoneycutt what's the problem?
 it is saying it is missing something from the theme
[19:07] <yofel> oh, during the build?
 yea let me get the error
 mportError: No module named sphinx_bootstrap_theme
 I
 ImportError: No module named sphinx_bootstrap_theme
 only thing I can think of is that the theme was dropped but twitter is using bootstrap still
[19:08] <yofel> sounds somewhat familiar
 yea I want to finish the changes from Google Code in and get some new screenshots from 5.5.5 hopefully
[19:09] <yofel> what exactly are you running?
[19:09] <yofel> and where?
 make html in the source
 /home/kubuntu/docs/kubuntu-manual
[19:11] <yofel> I get this: https://paste.kde.org/p9un7fbot
[19:11] <yofel> looks fine?
 weird permission error?
[19:12] <yofel> you *are* running that as 'kubuntu', right?
 as me?
 https://paste.kde.org/pbm21ji71
 opps
[19:12] <yofel> ah yeah, that won't work
 I don't know that user's pw
[19:12] <yofel> sudo -u kubuntu -i
[19:12] <yofel> and it'll work
 just mine
[19:13] <yofel> with that sudo command you only need yours
 yep thanks
 @Yofel
 clivejo can you help me test a mic?
 BBB room 11
 *1
 @Yofel any idea how to send screenshots to that server?
 scp is giving me permission denied
[19:26] <yofel> hm, scp into your account and then copy I guess. Or you could add your ssh key to the kubuntu user
 scp into my account?
 sudo scp KickOff_16-04.png ahoneybun@docs.kubuntu.org:/home/kubuntu/docs/kubuntu-manual/source/images/xenial
 this is the command I';m using atm
 maybe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:35] <sick_rimmit> Hi Folks
 heyo
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> I've seen how busy it has been here today
 anyone alt+tab working?
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> I've been frantic at work, but am home now
 sick_rimmit are you on Telegram?
[19:47] <sick_rimmit> No IRC right now
 missing some letters: http://imgur.com/1PI75Lq
[19:53] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Muon got release tagged 5 days ago, carlo did
[19:53] <sick_rimmit> it
[19:54] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: I know, thats what we pushed to the archive
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> I got an email, for my upload to PPA, but that was prior to the Release tag
[19:55] <clivejo> he bumped libqapt and muon for us
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> Anyway
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> So is it in LTS, do I need to repack ?
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> did we miss it
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> er
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> I miss it
[19:55] <clivejo> its in the archive
[19:55] <clivejo> !info muon xenial
[19:56] <sick_rimmit> That's excellent news
[19:56] <clivejo> dunno about that
[19:56] <sick_rimmit> Thank you, clivejo you took care of it
[19:56] <clivejo> needs a lot of work
[19:57] <sick_rimmit> I'm happy to repackage, sort the diffs out etc...
[19:58] <clivejo> appstream, snappy suport etc
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> Will have to be on Ricks schedule, but otherwise
[19:58] <clivejo> properly ported to KF5 and QML interface
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> I'm not worrying too much about that yet..
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> Carlo wants to work on KF5 and QML
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> ovidiuflorin: Is going to work on it too
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> Just wanted to ensure that it got into archive, so folks can install
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> it's an important component for dev's
[20:02] <valorie> I agree
[20:16] <sick_rimmit> valorie: Good job on the Party2 Review news item, that's a really good article now
[20:16] <valorie> glad you like it! ovidiuflorin fixed it after I made my pass, though
[20:17] <valorie> anybody working on a release text?
[20:17] <valorie> I'd like to help, but will be traveling tomorrow
 not atm
 was working on the docs
 still need to move pictures over there
 /me does not like the outdated one
[20:18] <valorie> good move, ahoneybun
[20:18] <valorie> having docs ready for release is important
[20:18] <mparillo> Traditionally the release text was never on the wiki (that was reserved for alphas and betas), but was a link to kubuntu.org/news
[20:18] <valorie> mparillo: exactly, a release should def. be on our server, not the wiki
[20:19] <valorie> although we can cadge a great deal of the text from the beta release text
 yea that is tru
 @Valoriez most of the work from Google Code in is in
 just need some new screenshots, need to found out how to do that
 @Valoriez http://docs.kubuntu.org/welcome.html
 release version and date is ready
[20:22] <sick_rimmit> If you fire me a bunch of bullet points I can draft something
[20:23] <sick_rimmit> perhaps valorie could sort the grammar and spelling, once I have put the narrative together
[20:23]  * sick_rimmit calls kate for assistance
 I can do that if need be
[20:24]  * sick_rimmit switches output device to verbose, and begins writing
[20:24] <valorie> sick_rimmit: look at the beta announcement; most everything we need should be there
 yea not much of that needs changing
 but do mention Muon is back!
[20:25] <valorie> YES
[20:25] <valorie> that's a big victory for us
[20:25] <valorie> and KDE as a whole imo
 awesome stuff everyone
[20:25] <valorie> also Discover is better too
[20:26] <valorie> ahoneybun: docs are looking good, at least on the surface
 on the surface?
[20:28] <mparillo> On http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/support.html it mentions IRC, but does not give the channel name.
[20:30] <valorie> ahoneybun: I meant the landing page
[20:30] <valorie> I've not had a chance to go through page by page
[20:30] <mparillo> So you have to go back to the contribute page.
 http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/contribute.html
 yea I should refer to the new IRC page @ovidiuflorin made
[20:31] <valorie> are we withdrawing the docs from the kde wiki?
 withdrawing?
[20:31] <valorie> removing
 changes that were made from the userbase wiki are moved to the docs site
[20:32] <clivejo> valorie: any reply from Flames_in_Paradise (ellisistfroh)  ?
[20:32] <valorie> ah, got it
 the wiki is so others can easy make changes
[20:33] <valorie> oh, good
[20:33] <valorie> that was my idea from the start, and I'm glad we can still make that work
[20:33] <valorie> clivejo: never an email make to me, no
[20:34] <valorie> but he did file a lp bug which we fixed
[20:34] <valorie> Bug 1557816
[20:35] <cyphermox> yofel: your autologin fix should be in the next respin
 @va
[20:36] <sick_rimmit> Are we releaseing with Plasma 5.6
[20:36] <clivejo> no
 @Valoriez I would like a script to pull the changes but it works
[20:36] <clivejo> 5.5.5
[20:36] <sick_rimmit> OK Cool
[20:37] <clivejo> lucky to have got that in!
[20:37] <clivejo> only for sgclark and yofel working their backsides off!
[20:37] <sick_rimmit> love me
[20:37] <sick_rimmit> they're awesome
 @athoneycutt script can be done
[20:37] <sick_rimmit> but we're going to grow this team
 ping me sometime and I can make that for you
[20:38] <valorie> hopefully we can get plasma 5.6 and the new applications asap after release
[20:38] <clivejo> LOL
 the issue is that they are putting in things that only work in the wiki not sphinx
[20:38] <sick_rimmit> ^^^^ /me/em/
[20:38] <valorie> sick_rimmit: amen!
[20:38] <sick_rimmit> Lovem em
[20:38] <sick_rimmit> not
[20:38] <sick_rimmit> love me
[20:38] <sick_rimmit> Doh!!
[20:38] <clivejo> I think sgclark and yofel will be taking some well earned time off!
 meeeh.. we can convert them
 I've set up a TG-IRC sync for the Kdevelop channel. Anyone cares to join?
[20:43] <sgclark> no rest for the wicked heh. slavedrivers.
 /me hugs sgclark and yofel
[20:43] <sgclark> but I have some KDE CI stuff higher in que. but we will get to it when we get to it.
 are you guys going to Munich in may?
[20:44] <sgclark> have to create the git branches inLP first.
[20:44] <sgclark> Not I.
[20:44] <yofel> haven't decided yet
[20:45] <ahoneybun> mparillo: better? http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/support.html
 @Sick_Rimmit we're in BBB room 1 if your free
 who's we?
 clive and me
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> OK here is the draf
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> t
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> https://www.kubuntu.org/?p=2630&preview=true
 we can't see that
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> I have not proofed as I have to wait an hour before reading my work
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> otherwise I don't see the errors
 committment
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> It needs some imagery too
 " who  continue "
 space and missing s
 Plasma Discover = Muon Discover?
 "what can you expect in this latest release" colon at the end
[20:52] <sick_rimmit> OK, so please go ahead and edit, amend, add, subtract etc...
[20:52] <clivejo> !info plasma-dsicover xenial
 "e to choose" (from)
[20:53] <clivejo> !info plasma-discover xenial
 put it in a notes.kde.org so we can collaborate
[20:53] <sick_rimmit> OK we'll however is doing the marketing and naming for Plasma, etc... maybe need to think about name changes and impacts
[20:54] <sick_rimmit> please change as appropriate
[20:54] <sick_rimmit> by all means please, do
[20:55] <sick_rimmit> I'm tight for time, have to go in a few minutes
 Rick, if you are editing, we can't edit at the same tiem
[20:55] <sick_rimmit> so I just wanted to get the verbose bits out
[20:55] <sick_rimmit> No editing from me
 do you have the editor open?
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> It's a rough start, and I hope it helps
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> 2 secs
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> I typing to you
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> anyone would think I had a multi-tasking operating system here
 it's not the os
 your ISP is the problem :P
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> OK an out of edit mode
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> he he#
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> I know, its dreadful
 ok, I'll have a go now
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> OK I got to go
[21:00] <valorie> ovidiuflorin: are you editing?
 yes
 give me 5 more minutes
[21:00] <valorie> I see a couple of spelling errors
[21:00] <valorie> ok, I'll wait for you
 done
 valorie I've added some suggestions in parenthesis
[21:07] <valorie> ok
[21:15] <soee_> https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04.0.php
[21:15]  * clivejo looks for his trout
[21:16] <valorie> draft saved
[21:17] <valorie> we need some nice images to go in there
 works
 screenshots
 @athoneycutt can you please take some?
 yea on it
[21:17] <mparillo> ahoneybun: I do like it better. Typo on sofware and I prefer the IRC webchat URL formatted like this: https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#kubuntu
 what typo
 why not kiwi?
 @ovidiuflorin @Valoriez is working on it
 give me a link and I'll put it in @ovidiuflorin
[21:18] <valorie> I've saved the draft
 says you are editing
[21:19] <mparillo> s /sofware/software/
 did not want to mess anything up
 on contribute or support?
 valorie, close the editor
[21:20] <valorie> done
[21:20] <valorie> sorry
[21:20] <mparillo> ahoneybun: in http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/support.html#internet-relay-chat
[21:20] <valorie> hmmm, we don't have a new banner, do we?
[21:22] <ahoneybun> clivejo: https://telegram.me/kubuntu_support
 I don;t atm
 I think Aaron of Andrea are the people to make graphics
 they are good at it
 I suck at graphics
 have you seen the IRC image I made for the podcast page?
 it's horrible
[21:26] <valorie> ah, I see the misspelling: "RC allows you to communicate in real-time with many others who are also using IRC and are on common networks and channels. For more information about IRC clients, see the Chat Clients section on the Sofware Page"
[21:26] <valorie> Sofware Page
 that's meant to be like that :P
[21:26] <valorie> should be a link as well
 for the release announcement, shouldn't we go with something simmilar we had in the past?
[21:27] <valorie> ovidiuflorin: for instance?
 http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13-04/
 or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Kubuntu
 this one is prettier
 screenshots are in
[21:30] <valorie> imo we can improve it a LOT with some screenies
 feel free to review
[21:30] <valorie> plasma is so beautiful
 fixed that @Valoriez
 I added some
[21:31] <valorie> hmmm, I would prefer the first big shot to be more bright and colorful
[21:32] <valorie> that is really dark
 but that is my prefered:)
 plasma lets me make it my own
 key selling point
[21:32] <valorie> I understand, and it would be cool to have it further down maybe?
 @ovidiuflorin any links with kiwi?
[21:33] <valorie> but something bright and light up top
 default layout then?
 @Valoriez
 https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/?nick=user|?#kubuntu
[21:35] <valorie> sure -- you can probably find such a screenshot online
[21:35] <valorie> you don't have to change your machine
 working onit
 I have a activity for Demo
 mm amarok is missing
[21:37] <valorie> ooo, sometime the podcast should cover those
[21:37] <valorie> I'd like to make more use of them
[21:37] <valorie> s/more/some
 I have one for each modes
 laptop or desktop
 oh crap
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:38] <telegram1>  amarok : Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.8.0-0ubuntu9) but 2:2.8.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2 is to be installed
 I needed that for the screenshot
[21:38] <ahoneybun> !info amarok-common
 so it is not in xenial?
[21:39] <ahoneybun> !info xenial amarok-common
[21:39] <ahoneybun> !info amarok-common xenial
 oh I broke something then
[21:41] <soee_> apt-get remove amarok-common & apt-get install --reinstall amarok
[21:42] <valorie> I had the same problem; I think a breaks/replace or something was missing in the packaging
[21:42] <ahoneybun> fixed thanks soee_
[21:43] <ahoneybun> I think it was the ppa
[21:43] <soee_> yes that was from backports or something
 almost have the screenshot down
 *done
 uploading now
 @Valoriez
 review
 @ovidiuflorin working on putting that link in now
 /me off to bed
 night
[21:50] <valorie> looking
[21:50] <valorie> niters ovidiuflorin
[21:50] <valorie> ooo, nice ahoneybun
 night
 you like?
[21:50] <valorie> I do
 which part lol
[21:51] <valorie> one small critique -- that bottom screenie should be smaller
[21:51] <valorie> one thing we could add is asking for bug reports, but that seems to dim enthusiasm a bit
 the bottom screenshot is easy to change
 man sphinx does not like that link @ovidiuflorin lol
 make it like it
 beat it into submission
 I am
 @ovidiuflorin I got it
 could look prettier maybe but it works
[22:03] <clivejo> any of you guys know about audio related issues?
 @Valoriez check the post now
[22:13] <valorie> excellent!
[22:13] <valorie>  > laundry
 sweet
 /me grabs some food
[23:24] <ximion> fun
 When will the Xenial download actually go live on the site?


[00:05] <TDO|Aquina> First your script must be executable. Second I strongly advise to execute such scripts with elevated privileges, since that is a security hazard. Is there a link to the script on SourceForge or GitHub?
[00:06] <TDO|Aquina> In case you really wanna do it create a starter which runs sudo block-advert.sh in a terminal e.g. with exo-open. pkexec is unknow to me/doesn't ring any bells.
[01:00] <GridCube> grrrr
[01:00] <GridCube> Unit193, :/
[01:00] <GridCube> i don't get why i don't have 3D acceleration
[01:00] <GridCube> i though it was that xorg wasnt updating
[01:00] <GridCube> but obviously is not that
[01:14] <Unit193> GridCube: Getting your system back to rights is the easy bit, I don't know what card you have, nor what issues might come from that. :3
[01:15] <GridCube> well, downgrading the library that caused the issue has also uninstalled 3/4s of everything i had installed
[01:16] <GridCube> luckily now installing xubuntu-core works properly
[01:16] <Unit193> Err, that's...Not great, kind of why I recommended all in one go. :3
[01:17] <Unit193> But yeah, installing that task should help get you back to rights.
[01:17] <GridCube> well here goes nothing
[01:37] <GridCube> sheesh
[01:37] <GridCube> 20 minutes to boot
[01:37] <GridCube> apparently one of my drives is dying
[01:37] <GridCube> i had to comment it on fstab
[01:38] <Unit193> Ouch.
[01:39] <GridCube> at least 3D acceleration works :D
[01:51] <GridCube> oh boy things seems to work
[01:52] <TDO|Aquina> :)
[01:53] <GridCube> i mean not counting with that half my applications need to be reinstalled
[01:54] <GridCube> like ubuntu-software-center seems to be gone from the repos
[01:56] <Unit193> 'gnome-software' is what's used now.
[01:56] <Unit193> I'd recommend synaptic though, it's much more functional.
[01:57] <GridCube> :P
[01:58] <GridCube> interesting that wasnt installed by xubuntu-core nor -deskopt :P
[01:58] <Unit193> -desktop would do it.
[02:00]  * GridCube shrughs
[02:00] <GridCube> it didn't
[02:00] <GridCube> i had to -desktop because i didn't had firefox anymore
[02:01] <Unit193> I mean, it certainly recommends gnome-software...You can check: apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop  or, could do  apt install -s xubuntu-desktop^
[02:02]  * GridCube shrughs again
[02:02] <Unit193> Yes, unimportant, just elaborating. :)
[02:02] <Unit193> Great that you got it all workin'!
[02:02] <GridCube> i guess
[02:02] <GridCube> now to figure out how to fix the drive that's making everything slow
[02:04] <GridCube> gparted has been opening for like 10 minutes and still greyed out
[04:10] <kalrach> hello
[04:11] <kalrach> I'm trying to figure out if I can upgrade my xubuntu install from 17.10 to 18.04 without having to download and burn an iso
[04:12] <Andrio> You can download it and extract it onto a flash drive.
[04:12] <Unit193> kalrach: Will be able to soon, upgrades haven't been turned on quite yet.
[04:12] <Andrio> if your computer already has Ubuntu, `sudo do-release-upgrade` or something like that might work.
[04:12] <Andrio> ah
[04:13] <kalrach> oh ok thanks!
[10:56] <davich> hi
[10:57] <flocculant> hi
[12:19] <frad> how do I prompt my machine to upgrade to 18.04?
[12:20] <flocculant> frad: depends on what version you currently have installed
[12:20] <frad> flocculant, 17.10
[12:21] <flocculant> frad: ok - so in Software and Updates > Updates tab > Notify me of new version > For any new version
[12:22] <flocculant> for lts to lts it doesn't prompt until the first point release, not sure of normal version - I would assume it won't wait
[12:23] <flocculant> you should I would have thought get prompted if that's set
[12:23] <frad> flocculant, it is already set to 'notify me of new version', but I didnt get any prompt
[12:24] <frad> flocculant, can it be the server is overloaded now that everyone wants to upgrade?
[12:24] <flocculant> Upgrades from 17.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04's release.
[12:24] <flocculant> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[12:24] <frad> aaa....
[12:25] <flocculant> it'll get to you - not sure of this but possibly it's not "Everyone at once" also
[12:25] <frad> right, thanks a lot
[12:25] <flocculant> you might be able to force it
[12:26] <frad> ill wait
[12:26] <flocculant> ok :)
[12:31] <Spass> I've just noticed, there is no option to make a ZIP archive from Thunar in 18.04?
[12:58] <nhilterbrand> Spass...  I just looked..  on my 18.04, I see a 'Create Archive' option when I right-click
[13:01] <nhilterbrand> Spass - and it works...  was able to make a zip file and a tarball
[13:02] <Spass> hmm
[13:03] <Spass> fresh 18.04 install or an upgrade?
[13:03] <Spass> nhilterbrand ^
[13:05] <ondondil> Spass, I also have create archive button, works just fine, 18.04 installed yesterday
[13:06] <ondondil> I guess in 16.04 there was separate entry to create zip archive but I don't mind not having one if there is still an option to create an archive
[13:09] <Spass> yeah you're both right, thanks, I just checked in VirtualBox, there is an option to create an archive, so there's something wrong with my setup
[13:09] <Spass> must investigate...
[13:35] <bg2032> hello
[13:36] <bg2032> I am trying to set up a computer for a person very bad eyesight (not blind but quite myopic and their eyes tire easily)
[13:36] <bg2032> *with
[13:37] <cfhowlett> OK ...
[13:37] <bg2032> I've tried Win7, OS X and several Linux distros
[13:37] <bg2032> apparently only Linux is "resolution agnostic"
[13:38] <bg2032> is there a DE you would recommend, that doesn't break with big fonts?
[13:38] <bg2032> (asking here because I'm a Xubuntu user myself)
[13:39] <cfhowlett> as that is what we are both familiar with, let's focus on XFCE
[13:39] <bg2032> XFCE is pretty good at it for medium-large sizes, ie. it starts breaking around 16pt on 1920x1080
[13:40] <bg2032> (windows don't fit on screen, text doesn't fit in dialog boxes, etc.)
[13:40] <bg2032> yes, alright
[13:40] <bg2032> strangely enough, there seem to be very few web pages relating to low eyesight
[13:41] <bg2032> it's either normal or use brltty
[13:41] <bg2032> any tips?
[13:41] <lapaga> for browsing the web there are extensions like nosquint
[13:41] <ondondil> in firefox there is an option to scale the hole UI, including chrome elements
[13:41] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility
[13:41]  * bg2032 looks at nosquint
[13:42] <ondondil> in about:config you can change layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to something like 1.25 or 1.5 to scale the whole Firefox up
[13:43] <bg2032> cfhowlett, that's what I meant: nothing for bad sight
[13:44] <bg2032> ondondil, it works... relatively well. Best of all the other browsers, but it's still incomplete: you always get a few interface elements that are in a fixed (and thus small) size
[13:44] <bg2032> I did use it, though
[13:44] <bg2032> do you guys maybe where I could ask?
[13:45] <bg2032> lapaga, thanks, I didn't know about nosquint!
[13:57] <flocculant> bg2032: you could try #ubuntu-accessibility - might not be very active - might need to wait or leave some "I'll check logs later" comment
[13:58] <bg2032> oh
[13:58] <bg2032> cool
[13:58] <bg2032> thanks, flocculant
[13:59] <flocculant> np - hope you get the help you're looking for
[14:16] <nhilterbrand> Spass, fresh install
[14:16] <nhilterbrand> Sorry...  got called away
[14:18] <Spass> np, yeah there's a problem on my side, but I'm done testing 18.04 for today, I'm back on my stable 17.10 install now ;)
[14:18] <Spass> (separate drive)
[14:18] <nhilterbrand> Spass, I did notice in some notes I read that 18.04 is now using a different archive manager...  it is called Engrampa or something like that
[14:19] <Spass> yes, it's an application from MATE desktop
[14:19] <nhilterbrand> Spass, I see it on the menu under 'Accessories', too
[14:19] <nhilterbrand> Yes, I did see that it was from Mate
[14:20] <Spass> but I use development PPAs on that 18.04 install of mine (it's purely for testing purposes), so probably these are the reason there's something wrong with that
[14:34] <zors> Hi, should I be able to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10? Nothing is showing up in the Software Updater for me
[14:39] <Spass> hello zors, you should get a notification about the update pretty soon, it's rolling out, but not everyone can upgrade at the same time
[14:39] <Spass> so it may take a few more days
[14:40] <zors> Alright, thanks :)
[14:40] <Spass> no problem
[14:50] <krytarik> It's more about stabilizing the release further rather than that though.
[14:51] <_0bitcount> Hi. I've noticed a significant delay in the boot times, compared to 16.04. Systemd shows long times for plymouth and lightdm to settle. Any ideas?
[14:51] <krytarik> For the users who upgrade from a regular release and even more so for ones who do from an LTS one.
[15:09] <krytarik> bg2032: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI - I think this applies to your case as well, and I'd try with Gnome first.
[15:10] <bg2032> btw I did a fresh install of 18.04 (for myself) this morning... everything works like a charm (except of course the usual long-standing XFCE annoyances, but those were already there on 16.04)
[15:10] <bg2032> krytarik, thanks, I'll check it out
[16:03] <tiyteeze> Hey guys, am I the only one getting issues with network with 18.04 ? Like I regularly loose internet without loosing my wifi signal. I can't even ping on my own house network
[16:07] <tiyteeze> I'm using an USB wireless receiver : TP-LINK TL-WN722N
[17:09] <PacoM> Hello everyone!  Just installed 18.04 and can't find gksu/gksudo.  Is there an alternative for opening graphical progs as root in Xubuntu 18.04?
[17:11] <flocculant> which ones?
[17:11] <flocculant> and yea gksudo isn't available in repos any longer ...
[17:13] <enyc> PacoM: silyl question does sudo just work?
[17:14] <flocculant> I'm not sure about just using sudo
[17:14] <enyc> because? why?
[17:14] <flocculant> I've done sudo -i or sudo -H
[17:15] <flocculant> because things have gone wrong for me in the past and I've had to muck about with ICE and stuff
[17:15] <flocculant> -H, --set-home
[17:15] <flocculant> check out man sudo I guess
[17:16] <flocculant> anyway - we do at least provide pkexec for thunar and mousepad
[17:17] <PacoM> I got into trouble running a graphical program as root in a terminal.  I read somewhere that was verboten
[17:18] <flocculant> things might have changed but frankly I'm unwilling to test it :p
[17:19] <PacoM> anyway I found the answer on the net.  Use "    admin://    "    command.  For example, instead of "  gksu thunar /file/  "  use this:  "  thunar admin:///file/
[17:20] <flocculant> PacoM: you can pkexec thunar
[17:20] <PacoM> does pkexec also work for other graphical programs?
[17:20] <flocculant> does for mousepad
[17:21] <flocculant> two we thought it might be useful to get root rights on - file manager and text editor
[17:22] <PacoM> ok, thanks and bye
[17:24] <tiyteeze> Hey guys, am I the only one getting issues with network with 18.04 ? Like I regularly loose internet without loosing my wifi signal. I can't even ping on my own house network
[17:24] <tiyteeze> I'm using an USB wireless receiver : TP-LINK TL-WN722N
[17:26] <flocculant> tiyteeze: if people in here are unable to help (I know I can't) you could try #ubuntu - more eyes in there looking
[17:26] <tiyteeze> flocculant, thanks
[17:26] <flocculant> tiyteeze: np - sorry I can't help
[18:16] <ondondil> Is there any workaround for that duplicated network manager aplet issue in bionic?
[18:21] <Spass> ondondil, you can hide NetworkManager Applet in Notification Area's plugin settings, that way it would not bug you that much
[18:26] <ondondil> but a small arrow icon would pop up instead probably :-/
[18:29] <ondondil> hmm, I had the same issue with psensor and redshift and I think that delaying launch of these programs on startup helped
[18:30] <ondondil> I'd delay nm-applet start too to see if that helps but the "edit" button is greyed out
[18:34] <Spass> I hid all of the duplicating ones (I use redshift also), I can live with that arrow
[18:39] <ondondil> argh, that rubs me in the wrong way
[18:39] <ondondil> thanks for the advice anyway
[19:23] <GridCube> :( i don't understand what's going on
[19:24] <GridCube> my mouse's right click has stopped working
[19:25] <GridCube> oh, well seems like it's broken
[19:25] <GridCube> i tried a different mouse
[19:36] <Spass> ##hardware ;)
[19:41] <esr1> Just upgraded to Xubuntu 18.04 and want to run an i3 sesson.  How do I get to gdm3's session list?
[19:47] <Spass> esr1, Xubuntu uses ligthdm by default, and you can choose sessions under top-left button on the login screen iirc, or did you install gdm on your system?
[19:58] <Spass> sorry just checked, the button changing sessions is not on the left, but on the right side of the top panel in lightdm
[21:33] <lirodon> okay so update-manager -dc is still not lighting up 18.04
[23:01] <FurretUber> I upgraded a Artful install to Bionic and the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1767501 happened. After I corrected it and I used apt autoremove to remove a older kernel, the boot screen became this: https://i.imgur.com/d73AFIO.png
[23:32] <syb0rg> so 18.04 is pretty nice so far
[23:32] <syb0rg> I always had to mess with some config files in early xubuntu releases to make my monitor power settings work, but no more!
[23:33] <syb0rg> And no unnecessary changes, just good old rock-solid xubuntu. Nice work