[07:18] <DJones> Morning all
[07:33] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:52] <AlanBell> morning
[07:58] <daubers> Morning
[08:02] <JamesTait> Goooooood mooooornin' intarwebz!
[08:04] <hank3three3> I was trying to increase the workspaces, and couldnt find out how to do it anywhere, and ended up only being able to do it via the terminal....how come? What is missing......
[08:05] <BigRedS> hank3three3: is this in Unity?
[08:06] <BigRedS> You need to use ccsm which is for some reason not installed by default.
[08:06] <hank3three3> yes, sorry, too early in the morning
[08:06] <BigRedS> apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager I think
[08:06] <hank3three3> ah, I wondered why I couldnt find it
[08:06] <BigRedS> it's a bit easy to break Unity with it, but it's also the only way to configure it
[08:06] <hank3three3> ok, will see if I can do that
[08:09] <hank3three3> well the command worked, thanks for the heads up on breaking unity with it, if I remember its in general and one of the tabs so I wont be doing anything else with it, just finished installing
[08:10] <Myrtti> oh man
[08:11] <Myrtti> I wish there was a bit better way of telling if I'm in Launchpad trying to file a duplicate bug than trying to remember all I can from apport window and comparing it with the other similar results
[08:11] <hank3three3> yep, I was right, but wont go in there unless I really have to again, thanks for the help.
[08:13] <Myrtti> also, I swear I sent the chromium window to another workspace, not close the whole thing
[08:13] <BigRedS> hank3three3: yeah, no worries! I think there's a way to reset everythin in that to dfaults from the command line if you do manage to break it :)
[08:14] <czajkowski> GOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING!!!
[08:14] <Myrtti> oh well, I didn't want to file that bug report anyway
[08:14] <hank3three3> I am getting quite used ti Unity, but I have installed via Synaptic xubuntu, and that looks really good too.......but I update everything using Unity 12.04 and its been pretty stable since I installed it, had a few bugs, but nothing serious
[08:17] <sagaci> hank3three3, same experience throughout most of this release
[08:23] <hank3three3> Think this will be a good release as far as it not being buggy.....well impressed
[08:42] <bigcalm> Good morning sleepy peeps :)
[08:43] <bigcalm> Or is that me
[08:43] <popey> Morning!
[08:44] <bigcalm> Yes, it's just me
[08:44]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[08:51] <sagaci> popey, in the top bar where it shows the program name, are you getting a weird visual defect on the first character?
[08:52] <popey> sagaci: no, screenshot?
[08:54] <sagaci> I would but the screenshot app is crashing
[08:54] <sagaci> :)
[08:58] <sagaci> you'd be able to notice it, the first character is a pixel or two extra wide on the left
[08:58] <bigcalm> sagaci: maybe more coffee is needed
[08:59] <bigcalm> I know I need more
[08:59] <gord> bigcalm, do we have a thingy this thursday or is it next thursday?
[08:59] <bigcalm> gord: thingy is this Thursday
[08:59] <popey> sagaci: shutter is a lovely screenshot app
[08:59] <gord> cool, will book a ticket
[09:00] <sagaci> wouldn't be a bad idea to dock a screenshot app to the dev releases temporarily
[09:01] <bigcalm> gord: a thingy being the workplace day. The happy hour/pre-release party is the following fortnight (19th)
[09:05] <gord> oh cool, four day weekend this weekend
[09:06] <Myrtti> same difference to me... *sigh*
[09:06] <bigcalm> gord: this week and next :D
[09:07] <Myrtti> apart from I need to go visit my sister and go say happy birthday to mum as well
[09:07] <gord> bigcalm, next?
[09:07] <bigcalm> gord: Good Friday and Easter Monday are bank holidays
[09:07] <Myrtti> bigcalm: yes but next week?
[09:07] <Myrtti> is it queenie holiday?
[09:08] <gord> bigcalm, yeah, hence the "four day" weekend ;)
[09:08] <sagaci> popey, the last two comments of bug 957868
[09:08] <bigcalm> Oh, sorry, missread as four day week
[09:08] <gord> awesome queenie holiday is june
[09:08] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I forgot about that, think it's later though
[09:08] <MooDoo> gord: thought the four day weekend was just generic bank hols?
[09:09] <Myrtti> my sister got engaged on Leap Day as well, she has her party on Saturday. I still don't know what to get her as a present... was thinking of Ticket to Ride
[09:10] <popey> ooer sagaci, no i dont see that
[09:14] <gord> found the best gif file on the internet http://i.imgur.com/QyM8v.gif
[09:15] <popey> awww
[09:37] <awilkins> Hmm. The Ubuntu website needs to drop the April Fool from the frontpage, methinks. Although I was rooting for it to be true.
[09:38] <awilkins> So... now it's 12.04 ... when's Precise out?  <ducks>
[09:39] <bigcalm> 26th
[09:39] <gord> we're doing a final unity release this week
[09:39] <bigcalm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin
[09:40] <awilkins> Shiny
[09:42] <popey> s/this/next/
[09:43] <gord> we as in, me and my team ;) not ubuntu
[09:43] <popey> :D
[09:45] <gord> should probably close this dog gif now
[09:45] <gord> don't really have the heart
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:46] <czajkowski> awilkins: always the end of the month, except 10.10.10
[09:48] <kaushal_> Hi
[09:48] <kaushal_> I am ssh to a remote server using my office lan connection, i also do have a wifi connection
[09:49] <kaushal_> when i unplug from wired , is there a way to maintain the ssh session when my laptop establishes wifi ?
[09:50] <directhex> not unless your office DHCP server is configured to assign the same IP address on both wired & wireless
[09:50] <kaushal_> ok
[09:50] <kaushal_> directhex: makes sense
[09:51] <kaushal_> directhex: any way to restart the ssh session on client side ?
[09:51] <kaushal_> i mean automatically
[09:55] <BigRedS> while [ 1 ]; do ssh host; done
[09:55] <BigRedS> is a bodgy way of doing it
[09:56] <bigcalm> Eugh
[09:56] <BigRedS> not exactly sure how you'd get out of that, though
[09:56] <webpigeo1> Don't put that in your bashrc :/
[09:56] <BigRedS> hah, no
[09:56] <bigcalm> Don't put that anywhere near any machine ever
[09:56] <BigRedS> it's not that bad!
[09:57] <BigRedS> you could just kill it from a different termina
[09:57] <BigRedS> l
[09:57] <bigcalm> Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[09:57] <kaushal_> bigcalm: how about autossh ?
[09:58]  * bigcalm shrugs :)
[09:58] <bigcalm> I'm not really in this convo :)
[09:58] <webpigeon> kaushal_: ooo, that looks shiny
[09:58] <directhex> i'm not really here. i'm a ghost. wooooooo!
[09:58]  * popey jumps
[09:59] <kaushal_> :)
[09:59] <webpigeon> and it's packaged in ubuntu
[10:00] <webpigeon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/autossh || http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/
[10:01] <popey> kaushal_: why not just stay on wifi?
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski a happy Monday
[10:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> morning MooDoo nice pics over the weekend by the way what software were you playing with?
[10:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: morning dude no ics then
[10:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: good morning sir
[10:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: see that just sounds wrong ;)
[10:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed, no ICS. It would nice to know what their intentions are
[10:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: ask them the email address is on their website
[10:20] <bigcalm> That requires effort.  I guess she thinks they are going to feed her
[10:24] <davmor2> Dave2: why U tally men
[10:24] <bigcalm> Poor kitty
[10:25] <bigcalm> Now I want a banana
[10:28] <jonathonf> hallo
[10:29] <jonathonf> what's the current best screen recorder?
[10:29] <jonathonf> (i.e. what is popey using at the minute?)
[10:29] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:29] <bigcalm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
[10:30] <davmor2> jonathonf: record my desktop is the one I use seems fine but popey may counter that argument
[10:30] <jonathonf> thanks both; i'll give it a go
[10:30] <DJones> I thought the best screen recorder _was_ popey  :)
[10:30] <jonathonf> have a rather charming unity2d bug :D
[10:30] <jonathonf> lol
[10:32] <jonathonf> huh... well recordmydesktop makes my desktop slow to a crawl... can't click or type
[10:34] <davmor2> jonathonf: I think a lot of people are using kazaam
[10:36] <jonathonf> right, i'll try that now :)
[10:37] <jonathonf> that works better
[10:37] <popey> kazam
[10:37] <popey> kazam is under active development, which none of the others are
[10:37] <popey> and the developer is a lovely chap who hangs out in #kazam
[10:38] <popey> (BigWhale on irc)
[10:38] <jonathonf> arg... recording makes everything hang... does it need hardware acceleration?
[10:39] <popey> no
[10:42] <jonathonf>  hmm... wonder if it's because it's running unity2d in fallback (fglrx doesn't work with 3.4-rc1)
[10:42] <jonathonf> reboot may be in order
[10:42] <jonathonf> thanks all
[10:51] <jonathonf> great - rebooted, kazam works without killing my desktop, and now the bug doesn't happen :(
[10:52] <bigcalm> Maybe that's how you fix the bug
[10:52] <jonathonf> :)
[11:03] <piffer111> Hi.  I'm trying to get rid of a nasty package that has screwed up apt/dpkg
[11:03] <piffer111> Can someone tell me where the list of packages is held, so that I can delete the package manually
[11:03] <piffer111> I've tried everything else
[11:05] <davmor2> piffer111: no you don't delete a package like that,  what is the issue
[11:05] <piffer111> davmor2: I fear that I now do.
[11:05] <piffer111> davmor2: When I try to apt-get remove the package, it hangs
[11:06] <piffer111> davmor2: It was looking for python 2.5, so I installed python 2.5, and then there was a script error
[11:06] <piffer111> davmore2: In any case, I've deleted all the files of the package by hand
[11:06] <piffer111> davmor2: So now I just have to tell apt to completely ignore the package.  I tried everything - remove, purge...
[11:06] <piffer111> davmor2: I tried apt-get clean, autoclean
[11:07] <piffer111> I see the packages in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[11:07] <piffer111> Can I just delete the files which refer to the package>
[11:07] <piffer111> ?
[11:10] <popey> erk, that sounds drastic
[11:11] <piffer111> It totally screwed up my system
[11:11] <piffer111> It was the only package that has ever done that
[11:11] <piffer111> It was python-orange
[11:11] <piffer111>    8349 Package: python-orange
[11:11] <piffer111>    8350 Status: purge ok half-configured
[11:13] <directhex> piffer111, try removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-orange.post* and /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-orange.pre*
[11:13] <piffer111> direct: Yep.  That's what I just did.
[11:13] <piffer111> Thank you.  :)
[11:13] <directhex> then remove it via apt-get remove --purge python-orange
[11:16] <piffer111> OK, looks like I totally nuked that dirty package from my syste,
[11:16] <piffer111> m
[11:16] <piffer111> thanks y'all   :)
[12:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Chris Oattes] Easier connectors for RGB strips - http://www.cjo20.net/blog/?p=94
[12:34] <diplo> Afternoon all
[12:38] <MooDoo> howdy
[12:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: hmmmmmmmm bacon sarnie for lunch
[12:50] <Myrtti> wohey, my package has been packaged and I might even get it before Thursday! \o/
[12:57] <brobostigon> \o/
[13:00] <popey> \o/ my fixed ipad is due for delivery on my birthday \o/
[13:00] <directhex> i did not receive mass effect 3 for my birthday :(
[13:04] <awilkins> back to screen recording : what about VLC using screen://  ?
[13:05]  * popey stil recommends kazam
[13:05] <popey> http://youtube.com/user/popeydc <- all of those made with kazam
[13:05] <popey> and instantly uploaded to youtube. just worked
[13:06] <awilkins> I still think recording an RDP stream would be ace
[13:06] <awilkins> Low bandwidth, super nice output
[13:06] <awilkins> Maybe you could do the same for NX
[13:09]  * awilkins awilkins rages at the git who has packed these zip archives into another zip archive
[13:18] <diplo> Anyone here run Xerox Lasers @ work ?
[13:18] <diplo> Not a cups man, but having some issues with Xeroxs wanting more memory from print jobs
[13:18] <diplo> Google not helping much so far
[13:19] <awilkins> Strangely, the thing that makes me want Precise the most is now the new DNS stuff
[13:19] <diplo> Or a way of checking how much data cups is sending
[13:41] <BigRedS> new dns stuff?
[13:42] <brobostigon> !info resolvconf precise
[13:51] <BigRedS> yeah, but what's changed?
[13:52] <brobostigon> i dont know, myself, sorry.
[13:54] <DJones> BigRedS: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/changelog.html Maybe the bottom of that page answers that
[14:19] <bigcalm> popey: I selected sheriff but it thinks I picked clay. Have fun with that
[14:19] <popey> do wot?
[14:19] <bigcalm> Draw Something
[14:19] <popey> ahh
[14:20] <bigcalm> Sheesh, can't you read minds or something?
[14:20] <popey> hah
[14:25] <BigRedS> haha
[14:38] <oimon> played draw something or a day and got annoyed at the people who cheat and the number of "words" that aren't really words but supposedly famous people in the USA
[14:40] <popey> yeah, annoys me too
[14:40] <popey> have you seen http://drawception.com/ ?
[14:41] <oimon> great idea
[14:42] <oimon> twitter login failed :(
[14:42] <oimon> aha i'm in
[14:42] <oimon> what's a "blue, red and lila tmnt holding a big banana"
[14:42] <popey> teenage mutant ninja turtle
[14:53] <Myrtti> drawception is great
[14:53] <Myrtti> fortunately I have a Wacom I can hook into my machine
[14:53] <Myrtti> helps a bit
[14:57] <Myrtti> http://drawception.com/viewgame/XN1LZx59eM/its-a-nice-sunset-but-youd-rather-dance/
[15:03] <oimon> none of my games have ended yet :)
[15:03] <oimon> :(
[15:08] <oimon> the guy/girl who drew the last frame of http://drawception.com/viewgame/ZODEsT1ym7/sonic-rainboom/ is excellent
[15:14] <popey> davmor2 / czajkowski skype on 12.04. Click the indicator thing. does it flicker for you?
[15:15] <davmor2> popey: yeap very brief redraw it look like right?
[15:15] <popey> yes
[15:15] <popey> now, where does that need to be filed!?
[15:16] <popey> against skype itself?
[15:16] <davmor2> gord: ^ I'm assuming this is an indicator issue of some sort right?
[15:16] <popey> no other indicators do it
[15:17] <popey> it's the application that paints it isn't it?
[15:17] <davmor2> popey: no idea
[15:17] <gord> do skype have their own indicator now?
[15:17] <gord> or is it systray
[15:17] <popey> yeah
[15:17] <popey> oh, dunno
[15:17] <popey> how does one tell?
[15:18] <davmor2> gord: pass is there a way to tell and popey beat me to it
[15:18] <AlanBell> gord: it is systray
[15:19] <davmor2> gord: are there any other systray using apps?
[15:19] <gord> not sure how to check in a good way, if its systray then its a skype issue
[15:19] <AlanBell> you have to whitelist it, or it might be a default whitelisted systray thing
[15:19] <AlanBell> matter of opinion
[15:20] <AlanBell> someone should write an indicator to contain all the systray icons
[15:20] <AlanBell> in fact that should have been the first indicator written
[15:21] <gord> thats not how indicators work
[15:22] <gord> indicators are a dbus protocol really, systray is an xwindow
[15:26] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh-3c9TqUg
[15:35] <ali1234> there's a skype deb in the partner repo for precise now
[15:35] <ali1234> but i still can't install it from the dash
[15:36] <ali1234> also why back to two versions?
[15:36] <ali1234> there's a skype-bin too now
[15:36] <ali1234> or wait i see
[15:36] <ali1234> metapackages i guess
[15:36] <popey> skype-bin:i386 is what I'm running
[15:36] <popey> works okay
[15:36] <ali1234> yes
[15:37] <ali1234> for a couple of weeks now i got no skype indicator at all btw
[15:37] <ali1234> but i did a fresh install since then, testing it now
[15:39] <ali1234> still no indicator for me
[15:40] <ali1234> and then it crashed
[15:40] <bigcalm> I am looking forward to giving my laptop 12.04 and the SSD
[15:40] <bigcalm> Actually, if skype is working, it might be ready now
[15:40] <ali1234> then i tried to report the bug and got "The report belongs to a package that is not installed."
[15:42]  * bigcalm sucks down the daily :)
[15:43] <ali1234> skype has always worked
[15:43] <ali1234> it actually works slightly less now than it did two weeks ago
[15:43] <bigcalm> Skype has not always worked for me in 12.04
[15:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd do a fresh install though dude
[15:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: will do
[15:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: not sure if can go to the lug this week. I _really_ need to get work done on Thursday
[15:44] <davmor2> ali1234: it only landed in precise this morning
[15:44] <ali1234> the deb file is marked march 30th
[15:44] <ali1234> also it is exactly the same as the oneiric deb
[15:45] <ali1234> and all the others
[15:45] <ali1234> if you upgraded from oneiric you kept skype installed, and it worked
[15:45] <ali1234> you could also install the old deb with dpkg
[15:46] <davmor2> ali1234: it's not the same as the oneiric one it is a freshly package i386 multiarch supporting version now, how exactly is it the same?
[15:47] <popey> same software, different package
[15:47] <davmor2> popey: ah that makes sense
[15:47] <ali1234> well firstly the oneiric package was multiarch too
[15:47] <ali1234> secondly, the skype binary hasn't changed since lucid
[15:48] <davmor2> ali1234: nope it wasn't there were 32 and 64bit versions
[15:48] <ali1234> wrong
[15:48] <ali1234> there has never been a 64 bit ckype binary for linux
[15:48] <ali1234> the 64 bit package only exists in pre-multiarch distros, because its the only way to install a 32 bit binary with dependencies on 32 bit libs
[15:49] <davmor2> ali1234: I work on the team dealing with it,  trust me I know there was a 32bit version and then a 32bit app with a 64bit wrapper,  this is the first time it has been purely 32bit multiarch
[15:50] <ali1234> jeez, no wonder it doesn't work :/
[15:50] <ali1234> so tell me, how did oneiric 64 bit manage to work, if skype was not previously multiarch?
[15:50] <ali1234> considering that there is *only* a 32 bit package?
[15:52] <davmor2> ali1234: the 64bit version was the 32bit app with the 32bit libs installed + redirects for the app to use those libs instead of the 64bit ones not pretty
[15:53] <ali1234> that's pretty much the exact definition of multiarch
[15:54] <davmor2> ali1234: no multiarch can use any libs 64bit or 32bit on the same system no brute forcing
[15:54] <ali1234> yeah, exactly like skype did on oneiric
[15:56] <ali1234> http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-0oneiric2_i386.deb
[15:56] <ali1234> dependencies: Depends: libasound2 (>> <IP_ADDRESS>), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxss1, libxv1
[15:56] <ali1234> there is NO other skype package for oneiric
[15:56] <ali1234> the only way to install that on 64 bit is by making use of multiarch libraries
[16:00] <ali1234> also, that package and the new skype-bin package contains exactly the same files, the only difference is the copyright file in /usr/share/doc was moved to represent the new package name
[16:04]  * MartijnVdS had a 2.1GB "whoopsie" daemon running
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> Memory leaks--
[16:24]  * bigcalm eyes jockey-gtk. It was a problem the last time I tried to install the proprietary drivers for the laptop's ATI card
[16:26] <bigcalm> Humm, bug 804662
[16:30] <bigcalm> Who had the issue with the leading edge of some letters looking weird?
[16:30] <bigcalm> Getting that as well here
[16:37] <bigcalm> Maybe right now wasn't the best time to start downloading things
[16:38] <bigcalm> I was hoping that it being Easter break for schools, the load would be spread over the day
[16:39] <OmNomDeBonBon> bigcalm: what's your predo for the game tonight?
[16:39] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: what game?
[16:40] <OmNomDeBonBon> Utd - Rovers
[16:40] <OmNomDeBonBon> At Ewood Park.
[16:40] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: footballs is something I don't follow, so have no idea :)
[16:42] <bigcalm> I thought that skype was available to install via the software centre now?
[16:42] <OmNomDeBonBon> bigcalm there's probably a Sky Sports app you can download.
[16:43] <ali1234> not yet
[16:43] <popey> i installed it today from USC
[16:43] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: again, I don't follow football. So I really don't care :) Are you confusing my nick for somebody else's?
[16:44] <OmNomDeBonBon> Maybe, maybe.
[16:44] <ali1234> i tried to install it from the dash bookshelf thing, and no result were found
[16:45] <ali1234> still the same
[16:46] <ali1234> also not found in software center
[16:48] <bigcalm> openjdk isn't there either
[16:48] <bigcalm> How strange
[16:49] <jpds> bigcalm: skype is in partner.
[16:49] <bigcalm> jpds: yes, which I added but it's not showing up
[16:50] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache policy skype-bin:i386
[16:50] <popey> skype-bin:i386:
[16:50] <popey>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-0precise2
[16:50] <popey>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>-0precise2
[16:50] <popey>   Version table:
[16:50] <popey>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>-0precise2 0
[16:50] <popey>         500 http://archive.canonical.com/ precise/partner i386 Packages
[16:50] <popey>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:50] <popey> bah
[16:51] <bigcalm> apt-get install skype does something
[16:51] <bigcalm> Software Centre has no record of skype though
[16:51] <popey> sudo apt-get install skype-bin:i386
[16:52] <bigcalm> It's now showing up
[16:52] <bigcalm> Took some effort to get that to happen. Odd
[17:22] <Myrtti> http://drawception.com/viewgame/REWRTXn4YY/the-trex-is-a-gentleman-and-a-scholar/
[17:22] <Myrtti> *chuckle*
[17:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: USC used to do the syncing of repos before the app opened now it's all done once the app opens so there is lack when an app didn't exist now about 20-30 seconds
[17:47] <davmor2> s/lack/lag
[18:03] <kitsos> Hello I have a question! I am about to download Drupal and i cant understand this "To get started with Drupal, you'll need the Drupal base system files either as Drupal core or a pre-built distribution, as well as a web hosting provider."
[18:22] <ikonia> directhex: the eagle has landed
[18:22] <directhex> ikonia, ;o
[18:22] <directhex> ikonia, and i found a decent rum! a gift from the in-laws
[18:23] <ikonia> excellent, now we are getting somewhere
[18:23] <ikonia> a little dissapointed approx %50 of my order is missing with "sorry out of stock" written on the order form
[18:23] <ikonia> be nice if they could SORT THERE WEBSITE ORDER SYSTEM OUT !
[18:23] <ikonia> THEIR
[18:24] <ikonia> directhex: project "Koala" is also moving
[18:24] <directhex> ikonia, so, deciphering your photo... boylan's bottling co, new jersey?
[18:24] <ikonia> directhex: you've got one, yes !
[18:24] <ikonia> but can you work out the others.....
[18:24] <directhex> not enough data :(
[18:24] <ikonia> excellent
[18:24] <ikonia> then there will be a surprise at least
[18:25] <directhex> hah ;p
[18:25] <ikonia> your samples will be dispatched tomorrow
[18:25] <ikonia> I'd like a full review
[18:25] <ikonia> either that or 3 1 line good/bad
[18:26] <ikonia> I've just stocked my fridge with my %50 order for chilling and tasting
[18:26] <ikonia> just trying to decide on the appropriate food for such an occasion
[18:27] <directhex> ikonia, have you got a domain set up w/ wordpress, for these reviews? :p
[18:27] <ikonia> directhex: not for these reviews no, but I may set something up documenting my quest and subsitute and vendor failures
[18:27] <ikonia> for the other 3 like minded people who exist in the planet and would go this far
[18:28] <directhex> ikonia, it's the internet!
[18:28] <ikonia> setting up a domain now
[18:28] <directhex> ikonia, once you've got a cola blog, you can start contacting manufacturers for "review samples" :p
[18:28] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[18:29] <ikonia> I'm just going to use it to put presure on the one true vendor to return the product they should never have pulled
[18:29] <directhex> and yes i want publishing rights on this domain
[18:29] <ikonia> looking in my domain list to see if there is anything appropriate before purchasing
[18:30] <ikonia> purchasing
[18:31] <directhex> get a readeship, contact pepsico for an interview ;D
[18:31] <ikonia> it's on !
[18:32] <directhex> and red bull ag
[18:32] <directhex> it's genuinely interesting to me why there's not a big enough market, on paper, to support a premium cola product in the uk
[18:32] <directhex> other than fentiman's which is fake premium
[18:33] <directhex> blog success -> write a book ;)
[18:33] <ikonia> domain registered
[18:33] <ikonia> site active in t-minus 24 hours
[18:34] <popey> hahah
[18:34] <ikonia> you mock the quest ?
[18:34] <popey> which is the product you wish to be brought back?
[18:34] <popey> oh no
[18:34]  * popey is a cola fan
[18:34]  * jussi hi5s ikonia for being awesome
[18:34] <ali1234> http://www.wholeearthfoods.com/products/6
[18:34] <ikonia> popey: then a login for you is possible, join the quest
[18:35] <davmor2> what happens if you try and open shotwell on precise anyone?
[18:35] <popey> hmmm
[18:36] <popey> shotwell: error while loading shared libraries: libgexiv2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:36] <penguin42> davmor2: Opens here (although I'm in a KDE session)
[18:36] <jussi> davmor2: nothing :/
[18:36] <ali1234> davmor2: it opens, then ask me to import, then imports
[18:36] <ikonia> popey: 12.04 ?
[18:36] <popey> yes
[18:36] <jussi> davmor2: not even an error
[18:36] <ikonia> popey: someone had this problem yesterday
[18:36] <ikonia> libgexiv2.so.1 or something needs to be linked
[18:36] <ikonia> the 12.04 package changed the name so a link was missing
[18:37] <davmor2> popey: now check libgexiv2-0
[18:37] <jussi> ahh yes, from the terminal same as the others
[18:37] <davmor2> jussi: :D
[18:37] <popey> checkj what?
[18:37] <popey> *check
[18:37] <popey> its installed
[18:37] <davmor2> popey: that it is installed
[18:37] <directhex> ali1234, tried that stuff?
[18:37] <ali1234> yeah
[18:37] <ali1234> it's nicer than coke or pepsi :/
[18:38] <directhex> ikonia, check ali1234's link. the ingredients list makes me hopeful
[18:38] <ikonia> directhex: already bookmarked
[18:38] <bigcalm> Am I missing something or is openjdk not in sc on 12.04?
[18:38] <ikonia> although I am not holding high hopes at this time
[18:38] <popey> ii  openjdk-6-jdk  6b24-1.11.1-3u OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
[18:38] <popey> i have it installed bigcalm
[18:38]  * bigcalm prods sc
[18:39] <directhex> ali1234, we're starting a cola blog, due to the removal from the UK market of the last two widely distributed premium colas, Pepsi Raw and Red Bull Simply Cola. it'll be fun!
[18:39] <directhex> and for someone who was predicted to fail english gcse, i can write a pretty decent blog post :p
[18:40] <ikonia> directhex: I'm looking forward to your contribution
[18:40] <penguin42>  'decent blog post' - that's a contradiction isn't it?
[18:41] <ikonia> directhex: please find a way to do an ape reference
[18:41] <directhex> penguin42, there's a reason i take upwards of 5 hours on 1 post. quality matters!
[18:41] <ikonia> hunting for a base wordpress theme to have a hack on tomorrow.
[18:41] <ikonia> this will be fun
[18:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: is there a line at the bottom saying show technical apps?
[18:41] <directhex> ikonia, okay, i found a store stocking ali1234's cola. http://www.naturalcollection.com/shop/whole-earth-organic-sparkling-cola-by-whole-earth/
[18:42] <ikonia> excellent
[18:42] <directhex> ikonia, i'll order a few cans, and of the ubuntu cola, and ship out half to you for sampling. we want a wide base for reviews
[18:43] <popey> directhex: do they still do pepsi natural in the usa or was that stopped too?
[18:43] <bigcalm> And now openjdk appears in sc
[18:43] <directhex> popey, i don't know if it ever went national. i read about the test markets for it, but no further
[18:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: this lag is not productive
[18:43] <directhex> popey, natural has a slightly different recipe to raw, fwiw
[18:43] <popey> ah
[18:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: it shouldn't lag if you've opened it once
[18:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: I get it straight away
[18:45] <directhex> gift wrap your 90p cans of cola for only £3.95 each!
[18:45] <Myrtti> I bet whatever bug I was having in Unity-greeter it's been fixed since and I filed my bug report for nothing...
[18:45] <Myrtti> and I just should have upgraded the system
[18:45] <Myrtti> phooey
[18:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: fact remains that openjdk was not being returned in searches until after I closed and re-opened sc
[18:46] <bigcalm> Ooo, openjdk-7-jdk - do I do it or stick with 6?
[18:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: down the bottom of USC can you see where it says Hide 32 technical items or Show 32 technical items if you show them it's 5th in the list under openjdk 7's
[18:47] <penguin42> directhex: I'm not a cola liker, but there are a lot of food blogs; I follow 2 chocolate ones
[18:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes, but the technical items did not include openjdk at all
[18:47] <bigcalm> Until now
[18:47] <penguin42> directhex: Well actually, one chocolate and one  generic snack one (snackspot.org.uk)
[18:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: whay are you doing that is different from me then? ;)
[18:48] <directhex> penguin42, i blame coca cola and pepsi for the general public's antipathy towards cola as a drink
[18:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: Beats me :)
[18:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: I refute that I've not hit you once
[18:49] <bigcalm> :P
[18:52] <ikonia> FYI: I'm currently drinking wild cherry pepsi
[18:52] <Myrtti> aw, I don't have any May Day mead left
[18:52] <davmor2> ikonia: I bet the cherry's were wild being picked to be thrown in pepsi
[18:53] <directhex> davmor2, well the ribena ads show how much berries love being crushed & made into drinks
[18:53] <bigcalm> The ribena ad makes me not want to drink it. Full of gleefully suicidal berries
[18:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: too right, they should be manically depressed suicidal berries :D
[18:59] <bigcalm> directhex: is this the error you get with minecraft? http://paste.ubuntu.com/911894/
[18:59] <directhex> bigcalm, no, that looks like a basic arch mismatch JNI error
[19:00] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have installed v6 instead of v7
[19:03] <directhex> bigcalm, /home/iain/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl.so is 32-bit, /home/iain/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl64.so is 64-bit. question is why it's invoking the 32-bit lib
[19:03] <bigcalm> Odd
[19:03] <bigcalm> I called it from the cli with: java -jar minecraft.jar
[19:04] <directhex> bigcalm, i don't understand java JNI semantics - it's a black magic which i'm too sane to know about
[19:04] <bigcalm> :)
[19:05] <davmor2> directhex: if you'd of said insane I'd of agreed with you but sane that's a tricky one ;)
[19:06] <directhex> davmor2, JNI's unmitigated terribleness is one reason c# exists
[19:06] <davmor2> directhex: haha
[19:07] <bigcalm> Din dins!
[19:07] <ali1234> because someone said "there's no possible way you could make it worse than java" and someone else just had to prove them wrong?
[19:07] <popey> ☺
[19:15] <directhex> "Java's kinda great, but JNI smells like poo and wee, and swing looks like poo and wee on windows, so let's just make java with those tweaks and OMGWEREBEINGSUED"
[19:16] <ikonia> I'm now official excited
[19:39]  * bigcalm hugs the mountain
[19:41]  * penguin42 shakes it
[19:45] <popey> hehe
[19:52] <StaffRingedSeal> I just love /msg nickserv set property ♥
[19:57] <dogmatic69> Hi all
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> \o dogmatic69
[19:58] <bigcalm> popey: now watching all of the videos by Fall on Your Sword
[19:59] <dogmatic69> Just got my second hand blade server off ebay. Installed ubuntu 11.10 server and all is fine till it rebooted. past POST the screen complains about the resolution or something
[19:59] <dogmatic69> anyone know if I need a fancy screen for these things? its a hp DL360 G4
[19:59] <bigcalm> EvilCowards LovePigs seems to have the male singer from Electric Six
[20:01]  * bigcalm pays attention to the description :)
[20:01] <StaffRingedSeal> I feel confused. I'm listening to Skrillex and it's actually ok.
[20:02] <Azelphur> nothing wrong with skrillex?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> well, except for the "music"
[20:05]  * Azelphur stabs MartijnVdS :p
[20:05]  * MartijnVdS drops
[20:09] <ali1234> skrillex is actually rather generic pop music
[20:10] <ali1234> he just uses samples instead of distorted electric guitar
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Try listening to some Akufen.
[20:12] <ali1234> that's just annoying
[20:13] <Azelphur> no, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodrSfsboFk is annoying :p
[20:13] <Azelphur> although the remix in the video responses is hilariously brilliant haha
[20:13] <ali1234> i get it, he thinks he's daft punk
[20:14] <ali1234> however, his music is too obviously just a bunch of cut up samples and they just don't blend together well enough
[20:28] <popey_> bah
[20:30] <popey> stupid freenode
[20:35] <diplo> evening all
[21:07] <StaffRingedSeal> well, combined with eating only toast today it does make my head feel a bit weird
[21:08] <StaffRingedSeal> (listening to Skrillex after midnight)
[21:20] <mgdm> anyone tried that Cinammon desktop?
[21:20]  * mgdm is giving it a go
[21:30] <ali1234> i tried it
[21:31] <ali1234> it's just gnome shell with a taskbar at the bottom
[21:31] <ali1234> and you can't move it or configure it at all
[21:31] <directhex> "you can't move it or configure it at all" you did say gnome shell...
[21:32] <ali1234> yeah
[21:32] <ali1234> basically gnome fallback is much better
[21:33] <ali1234> or gnome classic or whatever they call it these days
[21:34] <StaffRingedSeal> I actually like Unity more and more, it's even better in 12.04
[21:35] <ali1234> for me it is just about usable in 12.04
[21:36] <StaffRingedSeal> well it's more configurable and a bit prettier
[23:00] <dogmatic69> something on 12.04b2 has crashed :/ cant resize or move windows anymore
[23:02] <ali1234> that would be compiz
[23:09] <dogmatic69> maybe this is the same white blocks I was talking about the other day.
[23:10] <dogmatic69> ali1234: can I restart compiz or do I need to reboot
[23:12] <dogmatic69> compiz --replace done it


[04:42] <tonyyarusso> mathomastech: I don't think they are.  There was just a post to the mailing list recently asking if anyone wanted to take over the domain name before it expired, and so far no takers.
[13:55] <mathomastech> tonyyarusso: Ahh, thats unfortunate. Was looking forward to having a LUG in my backyard. Wonder what it would take to revive it.


[00:56] <Kobe> ?
[02:00] <c_smith> is there a LoCo Team in the Salem Oregon area?
[02:01] <mhall119> c_smith: did you check the loco-directory?
[02:01] <mhall119> US loco teams are state-wide, btw
[02:01] <c_smith> yeah, I did....
[02:01] <c_smith> and it seems the nearest one is in Washington...
[02:02] <c_smith> just finished looking, too.
[02:02] <mhall119> yeah, I'm not seeing one
[02:02] <mhall119> wouldn't you like to start one?
[02:02] <c_smith> Not really, simply because I wouldn't be successful at motivating anyone.
[02:03] <mhall119> we have people who can help you get started with it
[02:03] <mhall119> it's not like you'd be left to fend for yourself
[02:04] <c_smith> well, I still prefer a seat with less power, frankly, I don't like to be in charge of a group.
[02:04] <c_smith> even if it is a minor group,
[02:04] <mhall119> do you know any other Ubuntu users there?
[02:04] <c_smith> a few,
[02:05] <c_smith> actually, only 2.
[02:05] <mhall119> think you can motivate one of them to be a team lead?
[02:05] <mhall119> 3 members is enough ;)
[02:05] <c_smith> the only one I could motivate to be a team lead is on house arrest without internet.
[02:05] <mhall119> really, all that's needed is someone to create the group in launchpad.net and be the point of contact
[02:05] <c_smith> the other, he would forget to wake up if we didn't remind him.
[02:05] <mhall119> oh, that's not ideal
[02:06] <mhall119> oregon sounds like a strange place
[02:06] <munz> lol
[02:06] <c_smith> Oregon, it's a beautiful state, outside of the cities, of course, but beautiful nontheless.
[02:07] <c_smith> well. I might as well read the topic on creating a team.
[02:07] <munz> c_smith: you could just start a small meetup group
[02:07] <munz> :)
[02:08] <c_smith> true, but how?
[02:08] <munz> nothing too over serious
[02:09] <c_smith> frankly, I'd like to contribute in some way to the Ubuntu project
[02:09] <mhall119> c_smith: find a few people interested in Ubuntu and/or Linux and go get coffee together
[02:09] <c_smith> cool
[02:09] <munz> yea
[02:09] <munz> wear ubuntu shirt
[02:09] <c_smith> that sounds to be more my type of meeting. XD
[02:09] <munz> i try to contrubute by helping others in the chat
[02:10] <munz> and work on #1 bug
[02:10] <c_smith> I think I'll look into that shirt, I always wondered if there was one.
[02:10] <mhall119> http://shop.ubuntu.com/
[02:10] <munz> #1 ms has dominant market share
[02:10] <c_smith> as for bugs, if it involves coding, I'm fresh out of High School, so I have close to zero coding knowledge.
[02:10] <munz> spread the words of freedom :)
[02:11] <munz> convert peeps to ubuntu
[02:11] <mhall119> know any html or css?
[02:11] <c_smith> nope,
[02:11] <mhall119> c_smith: we have a 14 year old writing code for Ubuntu, so age isn't a barrier
[02:11] <c_smith> the most I can do with code is compile pre-constructed source code.
[02:12] <mhall119> have you tried Python?
[02:12] <c_smith> nope, is it simple?
[02:12] <mhall119> very
[02:12] <mhall119> and several Ubuntu desktop apps are written in it
[02:12] <c_smith> I'll look into that, I've always wanted to try coding. :D
[02:12] <mhall119> also several webapps, like loco.ubuntu.com, are written in python
[02:13] <c_smith> is there any place I can start to learn Python on the net that you guys know of?
[02:14] <mhall119> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[02:15] <c_smith> thanks
[02:15] <munz> i am trying to learn python, a friend showed me this: https://ww3.hunter.cuny.edu/screencasts/programming-for-everyone/
[02:16] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/AppGuides/laby is kind of a fun way to learn python (and other languages)
[02:18] <munz> that looks cool mhall119
[02:18] <mhall119> it is cool
[02:18] <munz> i'm gonna take a look@ both links you posted :)
[02:19] <mhall119> munz: you know where to find me if you have questions
[02:20] <munz> cool, thanks
[14:15] <AlanBell> the UK team CDs have now arrived
[14:27] <mhall119> czajkowski: would you mind /joining #ubuntu-website?
[14:28] <czajkowski> now?
[14:29] <mhall119> please, we have some questions that could benefit from an LC member's insights
[14:30] <czajkowski> mhall119: ok but just remmeber highlighting loco council gets more of us
[14:30] <mhall119> I know
[16:32] <cjohnston> and its brought back to life
[16:32] <cjohnston> :-(
[21:42] <YoBoY> first day of party, already exausted, I need big hugs ^^"
[21:43]  * pleia2 hugs YoBoY!
[21:45] <YoBoY> :D
[21:45] <YoBoY> thanks :)
[21:45] <pleia2> :)
[21:50] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/images/IMAG0244.jpg << this morning in the install room
[21:50] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/images/IMAG0243.jpg
[22:00] <YoBoY> Awesome, we just had a news on a french national tv :D
[22:10] <mhall119> YoBoY: your install party was on the news?
[22:12] <YoBoY> just our release party, our last both (the same week as the uds) and a invitation to come to the party this week end :)
[22:12] <mhall119> nice
[22:24] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/videos/soir3.mpg << the television report (with no sound)
[22:26] <YoBoY> ha no, there is sound on vlc only ^^"


[00:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#4032 closed: requirements: update craft-providers to 1.7.2 <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4032>
[09:20] <mup> PR snapd#12546 closed: interfaces/network-manager: do not show ptrace read denials <Needs security review> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12546>
[09:25] <mup> PR snapd#12548 opened: Support openEuler release <Created by nanjj> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12548>
[12:20] <mup> PR snapd#12549 opened: boot: on classic+modes `MarkBootSuccessfull` does not need a base <⚠ Critical> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12549>
[13:56] <mup> PR snapd#12550 opened: interfaces/modem-manager: add net_admin capability <Needs security review> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12550>
[14:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#4034 opened: tests: update ruby bundle v1 spread test <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4034>
[15:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#4034 closed: tests: backport ruby and flutter test fixes <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4034>
[16:47] <mup> PR snapd#12549 closed: boot: on classic+modes `MarkBootSuccessfull` does not need a base <⚠ Critical> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12549>
[16:52] <mup> PR snapd#12551 opened: boot: on classic+modes `MarkBootSuccessfull` does not need a base (2.58) <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12551>
[17:50] <mup> PR snapcraft#4030 closed: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.15.3 <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4030>
[21:50] <mup> PR snapcraft#4035 opened: plugins: parse snapcraft.yaml before listing plugins <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4035>
[22:50] <mup> PR snapcraft#4028 closed: linters: add linter check for unused libraries <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4028>


[01:04] <bregma> looking for some payout
[01:05] <genii-around> bregma: Thats what I figure too, greedy buggers
[01:06] <bregma> do we get to use use a subdomain like ca.ubuntu.com ?
[01:07] <genii-around> Since ca.archive.ubuntu.com exists i don't see why not.
[01:08] <genii-around> I don't ever recall seeing any <TLD>.ubuntu.com  before though
[01:11] <DarwinSurvivor> Canonical owns the trademark to ubuntu.ca, they *may* be able to force them to give it up...
[01:12] <DarwinSurvivor> Although they may need an official presense in Canada (seeing as it's CIRA) and I'm not sure if a LOCO is enough
[01:18] <DarwinSurvivor> we would qualify under C of http://cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Registrars/CPRregistrar.pdf as a valid domain owner
[01:19] <genii-around> Interesting. I noticed it has been registered since April 2005 which was the Hoary release time. Maybe they figured Canonical would pay them someday for it
[01:26] <bregma> Canonical Canada employs about 30 people and has a bricks-and-mortar presence in Montreal, I imagine that qualifies as an official presence
[01:28] <DarwinSurvivor> AHA
[01:28] <genii-around> I'm wondering now how to approach this. I'd really like to get that domain.
[01:28] <DarwinSurvivor> 3.5 a) of http://www.cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Dispute/CDRPpolicy.pdf found on http://www.cira.ca/legal/policies/registrant-documents/
[01:28]  * genii-around ponders if there's some #ubuntu-legal channel
[01:29] <bregma> the loco people might be able to suggest something
[01:29] <genii-around> Since ubuntu.com was registered May 2004... hmm...
[01:29] <bregma> I imagine any sort of persuit would require corporate backing
[01:30] <DarwinSurvivor> I'm pretty sure Canonical could easily force the transfer under the "bad faith" section of the Dispute Policy
[01:31] <bregma> there's also http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[01:35] <DarwinSurvivor> We could use that to convince Canonical to do something about it, but other than "it's registered", CIRA won't care much about Canonical's trademark policy
[01:36] <DarwinSurvivor> What might make a difference is whether their trademark is registered in *Canada* or just Europe
[01:36] <genii-around> I'm asking openly in -locoteams
[01:36] <DarwinSurvivor> ok
[01:36] <genii-around> ( maybe someone there could have a useful suggestion )
[01:37] <bregma> I imagine the best bet is to contact Canonical's legal counsel at the London office (they're all in the London office)
[01:37] <DarwinSurvivor> that makes sense
[01:37] <bregma> the have a couple of lawyers who specialize in internatinal intellectual copyright issues
[01:38] <DarwinSurvivor> though they may need a referral or something from a lower level (loco manager, etc) before they'll talk to us (their time is expensive after all)
[01:38] <bregma> I prefer dealing with the sales people, they buy rounds of drinks in the pub downstairs
[01:38] <genii-around> Heh. All the best lawyers seem to live in London. All the harassment from Sony seems to come from some barrister of theirs on Essex street...
[01:48] <dscassel> Canonical doesn't care about ubuntu.ccTLDs. It's up to the LoCo to get them if they want.
[01:49] <genii-around> dscassel: Interesting.
[01:49] <dscassel> I'm pretty sure ubuntu-ca had it, but lost it.  From our previous Toronto-based incarnation
[01:52] <genii-around> dscassel: For me the idea is not so much as if Canonical leaves it up to us to get that domain or not as we like, but that someone is holding it hostage to a degree
[02:14] <DarwinSurvivor> even if they (Canonical) don't care about the domain, are they willing to give us the right to use the trademark to get it back?
[02:15] <DarwinSurvivor> We don't want to wave a trademark in front of CIRA and then find out Canonical didn't authorize us to!
[02:15] <genii-around> Thats sort of what I'm wondering. At any rate, some response in -locoteams but nothing in -community-team yet. I think I'll take it up again tomorrow and go head out for beer.
[02:17] <genii-around> My irc will cut out when apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && sync && shutdown -h now    ends :-)   Have a good night
[03:54] <dscassel> We can ask...
[15:05] <IdleOne> genii-around: get any more info on ubuntu.ca ?
[15:09] <genii-around> IdleOne: Haven't had time yet today to pursue it. But I intend to.
[15:09] <genii-around> First I have to find some 8-pair copper short-haul device and get prices on those, for work...
[15:11] <genii-around> Right now my current prospects for that are http://www.lanode.com/dsl/ethernet-first-mile-services-efm.html  and http://www.actelis.com/products/prod-ml680.php
[15:37]  * genii-around reads http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[15:40] <genii-around> Hm.. "We therefore allow the use of the Trademarks in this context, provided the Trademark is used in a manner consistent with the guidelines below" then.. "...there is no suggestion (through words or appearance) that your project is approved, sponsored, or affiliated with Ubuntu or its related projects unless it actually has been approved by and is accountable to the Ubuntu Community Council". Makes me wonder if we have to get Community
[15:40] <genii-around> Council vote to use ubuntu.ca
[16:03] <genii-around> IdleOne: popey makes a good point that we already have ubuntu-ca.org, but it basically just pisses me off that GoDaddy can sit on it like that
[16:11] <genii-around> Looks like the -qc team originally had it then it lapsed
[16:20] <MagicFab> dscassel, yes, "they" lost it
[16:20] <MagicFab> http://web.archive.org/web/20060613193137/http://ubuntu.ca/
[16:21] <DarwinSurvivor> Interesting, that was *after* the current registration date of 2005...
[16:21] <MagicFab> ask for the price, chip in. I've done this a few times, most likely won't cost more than a few hundred.
[16:22] <DarwinSurvivor> Depends on how evil the squatter is
[16:22] <MagicFab> So maybe it's just parked, you need to find out who originally registered it.
[16:22] <DarwinSurvivor> I had one that lapsed and got taken by the hosting provider themselves and they wanted over $7000 for it
[16:22] <DarwinSurvivor> and they had the nerve to call it a "service to preserve your domain"
[16:22] <genii-around> DarwinSurvivor: That would suck.
[16:23] <DarwinSurvivor> yeah, the one we lost was for a small community soapbox derby with a name that would be useless to anybody else (as it had the town name in it)
[16:23] <DarwinSurvivor> we ended up getting a new domain and letting them keep the old one, but ubuntu.ca is pretty unique
[16:28] <genii-around> If anything I feel this strengthens our case to have it freed up, since we have somewhat of a prior claim
[16:30] <MagicFab> instead of making assumptions, just search for ubuntu.ca at http://www.cira.ca/home-en/
[16:30] <MagicFab> the result page offers a form to contact the admin contact.
[16:31] <MagicFab> expalin the situation, don't mention compensation
[16:31] <genii-around> MagicFab: Ah, that might be a good way. Thanks for the suggestion.
[16:33] <genii-around> The parking page at GoDaddy for it, they want $69.99 to contact the owner ( which appears to be them currently although perhaps original registrant is just hidden by whois)
[16:34] <MagicFab> genii-around, yes, the "privacy" features are common nowadays. GoDaddy is a *business* so yes, that's a service they provide.
[16:34] <MagicFab> I find it very convenient - but I know my way around :)
[16:36]  * genii-around ponders whether to use his ubuntu.com email or gmail
[16:39] <IdleOne> I am not for the idea of the community chipping in. Canonical can and should do what is needed to get this domain and then hand it over to the community.
[16:40] <IdleOne> or they can keep it and let us use it, whatever. I think we (the community) already spend enough of our own money to help spread Ubuntu.
[16:44] <IdleOne> If we do have to pay to get the domain from our pockets then I think we should also be allowed to sell cd/dvd and tshirts, etc. to help fund the maintenance of the site, pay for release parties...
[16:44] <IdleOne> Canonical won't allow us to do that though aiui
[17:04] <genii-around> My email to domain owner: http://pastebin.ca/2313152
[19:23] <MagicFab> IdleOne, I am not either, but faced with lack of time vs. goals to achieve, I would.
[19:23] <MagicFab> IdleOne, many teams do exactly that.
[19:24] <MagicFab> genii-around, another question came to mind, what problem are you trying to solve by getting that other domain?
[19:32] <genii-around> MagicFab: My thought is that ubuntu.ca is an easier way to be be locally distinctive and found by the curious than navigating somehow to ubuntu-ca.org. We also  need an overhaul of the website anyways.
[19:35] <MagicFab> genii-around, nowadays the domain name is not as important, specially if it's parked.
[19:35] <MagicFab> I think Ubuntu Canada is doing fine with the current .org -> http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1360697679.png
[19:35] <MagicFab> of course that doesn't mean giving it up.. patience may pay off.


[09:00] <Riddell> good morning
[09:01] <lordievader> Morning, Riddell. How are you today?
[09:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd really like to know why backtracing is like broken
[09:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: backtracing in ?
[10:28] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: fwiw your patch looks fine now
[10:32] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: i'm glad
[10:34] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: noninteractive worked again when I tested the patch :-)
[10:34] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: otherwise I would have had to test manually ...
[10:38] <Riddell> ee
[10:38] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: sorry to ask you again about that, but it seems the neon5 build was left out again on friday
[10:38] <kdeuser56> Riddell: ?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:20] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:21] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:26] <sgclark> don't forget the packager BOF in room 5 after lunch
[11:48]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=182
[11:50] <soee> Riddell: why so poor wuality this photos ?
[12:01] <Riddell> soee: cos I'm using a cheap camera phone
[12:02] <Riddell> there are people with fancy cameras, such people don't bother to upload the pictures in time for anything useful
[12:02] <soee> :/
[12:03] <BluesKaj> thought the site did autocpmprssion on them
[12:06] <ahoneybun> how is the fix coming for the nvidia driver?
[12:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who's the guy next to sune?
[12:10] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, my workaround is to use the nvidia-updates driver, for some reason it works where the regular 331 driver fails
[12:10] <BluesKaj> on 14.10
[12:13] <BluesKaj> perhaps the regular driver is fixed now, i haven't checked since late last week
[12:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kfunk :P
[12:26] <kfunk> huh?
[12:31] <Riddell> ooh yes :)
[13:01] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1358312 should be verified
[13:12] <yofel> ahoneybun, BluesKaj: if you're talking about the nvidia <-> lightdm issues, all nvidia drivers should be fixed
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yofel, yes I was, had to use startx from the VT/TTY to login to the desktop
[13:16] <yofel> I use nvidia-331 myself, so at least that works fine
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok thanks
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where's the bzr branch for user-setup-apply again?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nvm
[13:53] <shadeslayer> apt ftw
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok the recommended nvidia-331 driveris now installed and working fine, thanks :)
[14:23] <shadeslayer> no neon 5 iso for this friday, Akademy and stuff
[14:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lp:kittens
[14:49] <yofel> sgclark: (or whoever works on docs) I just realized that the "Basic" section of our Documentation talks about jockey-kde, which is long gone. That needs to be fixed before release
[14:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: how exactly was the replacement that you wrote called?
[14:51] <yofel> ok, kubuntu-driver-manager, who would've guessed...
[14:54] <apachelogger> gdb 7.8 breaks drkonqi
[14:54] <yofel> debug the debugger \o/
[14:54] <sgclark> lol
[15:21] <sgclark> shadeslayer: did you package the new ECM with the new upstream patch?
[16:02] <Riddell> food and beer on floor 5 of the hotel
[16:10]  * BluesKaj has food and beer on the patio outside and in the shade :)
[17:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: good
[17:23] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[17:24] <Peace-> hey BluesKaj
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Peace-, what's new ?
[17:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) normal life , sometimes i manage some service menu for kde and that's all
[17:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: and you ? all right ?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yes Peace-, fine here ...normal life is good
[17:26] <Peace-> ;)
[17:39] <BluesKaj> fianally took the plunge and switched my internet and phone service provider for the same internet speed and bandwidth and better phone service and saving over  $75/mos in the process.
[17:44] <BluesKaj> plus dumped a whole lot of TV channels that we never watch and saved another $40/mos there...was tired of being fleeced because i was too lazy to go thru the process of changing services , which the provider knows prevents alot of their customers from changing services
[17:46] <BluesKaj> oops guess I should have posted this in the kubuntu-offtopic chat
[20:35] <soee> the latest phonon vlc backend does not solves the issue with crashing system settings in plasma 5 ?
[20:44] <apachelogger> becaue it is not a vlc problem
[20:44] <apachelogger> eh
[20:44] <apachelogger> phonon problem
[22:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/kittens/".
[22:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you broke it
[22:23] <apachelogger> fu
[22:23] <shadeslayer> it's all your fault
[22:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: come to palacky
[22:23] <shadeslayer> we have beer
[22:24] <shadeslayer> fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/sqlite/+bug/1317449
[22:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: umad?
[22:27] <apachelogger> it's like late
[22:28] <apachelogger> I wanted to be in bed 1.5h ago
[22:28] <shadeslayer> no
[22:28] <shadeslayer> I'm awesome
[22:28] <apachelogger> debatable
[22:28]  * apachelogger just shaved
[22:29] <shadeslayer> balderdash
[22:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: vlc is in Universe and has a bad security history.  Do we really want to be stuck with it?