[12:40] <intelikey> ok. dispence with the sarcasm already genii   ;)))
[12:40] <genii> :)
[12:40] <intelikey> i misspell everything.  and we all know it.
[12:41] <genii> not commands
[12:41] <genii> (usually)
[12:41] <intelikey> ;/
[12:41] <bleep3> nopes it didnt work
[12:41] <ScorpKing> bleep3: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf as root
[12:42] <bleep3> ok
[12:42] <ScorpKing> prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>;
[12:42] <intelikey> yeah i don't think /etc/resolv.conf is sticky in default *buntu systems...    i don't really know, i have never ran a defaulte *buntu more than five minutes.
[12:42] <ScorpKing> that needs to go above request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[12:43] <intelikey> couldn't stand it any longer than that....
[12:43] <bleep3> ah ok

[12:43] <ScorpKing> that will prevent /etc/resolv.conf to change to useless
[12:44] <bleep3> save?
[12:44] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:44] <bleep3> done
[12:44] <bleep3> brb
[12:44] <ScorpKing> try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart when you have the cable in.
[12:44] <genii> Now you need ifdow/ifup the adapter
[12:45] <bleep3> ok
[12:45] <ScorpKing> i see
[12:45] <genii> *ifdown/ifup
[12:45] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:45] <ScorpKing> uhm...
[12:45] <bleep3> ifdown/ifup after betworking restart?
[12:45] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:45] <bleep3> ok
[12:45] <bleep3> brb
[12:45] <ScorpKing> k
[12:45] <Creationist225> I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy Beta, then ran the updates, then install my restricted nVidia video driver.  Now my resolution is really funky and I can't change it.  Anyone have any input for me?  (I've already asked in #ubuntu+1 but no one can help)
[12:46] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: is it to big?
[12:46] <genii> bleep3: Either is good. init.d restarts the whole thing. ifdown ethX ifup ethX just that adapter
[12:46] <ScorpKing> genii: he will be bleep4 just now. :)
[12:46] <intelikey> isn't there an  ifup_down  script  also    err may not be the name...   but a command that will just cycle the network.     i think i remember seeing that.
[12:47] <Creationist225> ScorpKing: Well, as it is right now, my screen only fills about 3/4 of my monitor and the image is distorted.  Doesn't matter which resolution I choose in System Settings, it doesn't change at all.
[12:47] <genii> I guess you could HUP it
[12:47] <genii> But thats just same as /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:47] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: check the refress rate of the monitor. that might cause it.
[12:47] <ScorpKing> refresh*
[12:48] <Creationist225> ScorpKing: That's the other issue I'm having... I'm unable to select a refresh rate other than 51Hz
[12:48] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: then you'll have to change it in xorg.conf. make a backup first tho.
[12:48] <intelikey> Creationist225 sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   <<< will let you reconfigure the X server
[12:49] <bomber> my camera is being detected but nothing else happens
[12:49] <bomber> can someone help with this?
[12:49] <intelikey> !nv | Creationist225 if you need 3D suport
[12:49] <Creationist225> intelikey: I've tried that as well... no change.
[12:49] <ubotu> Creationist225 if you need 3D suport: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:49] <ScorpKing> where is the xorg.conf file in the home dir stored?
[12:49] <genii> !webcam
[12:49] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[12:49] <bomber> not a webcam a digital camera
[12:50] <genii> bomber: Ah, OK. You have DigiKam installed?
[12:50] <bomber> yes
[12:50] <Bleep> nopes same problem
[12:50] <Creationist225> No more ideas?
[12:50] <ScorpKing> Bleep: slap it a few times
[12:50] <genii> bomber: Sounds like a driver issue then
[12:51] <genii> intelikey: Me too
[12:51] <bomber> i know it showed the pictures before
[12:51] <ScorpKing> me 3
[12:51] <bomber> im not sure if it when i was using the newer kubuntu
[12:52] <Bleep> does it clear alot if i tell you my status  in xp say:
[12:52] <bomber> i downgraded to edgy
[12:52] <ScorpKing> Bleep: yes
[12:52] <bomber> because my networking wasnt working correctly in the newer one
[12:52] <Bleep> device type: vpn     servertype PPP      transports TCP/IP   authentication  PAP   Server IP  adress <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:53] <bomber> intelikey, thats how it was seen before
[12:53] <bomber> just as a drive
[12:53] <ScorpKing> Bleep: it should just work. maybe you should try that link you posted
[12:53] <bomber> and that was fine
[12:53] <genii> bomber: What make/model camera?
[12:53] <bomber> sony dsc f707
[12:54] <genii> bomber: OK, googling
[12:54] <bomber> thanks
[12:54] <Bleep> ok brb
[12:54] <acomaco> is it possible to startup KDE with minimal programs running so i can use my RAM maximally?
[12:54] <acomaco> or shutdown programs that is not needed?
[12:54] <acomaco> ^^
[12:56] <nrossin> ScorpKing, intelikey:  Well, I disabled my restricted video driver and restarted X.    Now whenever I try to change resolutions, all I get is that standard message saying it was "Trying the new settings..." and then asks if I want to keep them.  Problem is, it never actually changes the resolution.
[12:58] <bomber> i was looking too genii
[12:59] <bleep1> i give up....          for now
[12:59] <bleep1> thnx for the help anyway
[01:00] <sirjoshimus> does anyone know where i could get a hamachi deb?
[01:01] <genii> bomber: Right after you plug it in what does dmesg say?
[01:01] <genii> nrossin: I had this before, the settings would not take til after i logged out/back in again
[01:02] <genii> nrossin: This is with nvidia restricted driver
[01:02] <bomber> lemme see
[01:04] <ditmar> Uuhmm
[01:04] <ditmar> this chat are very interesting
[01:05] <bomber> genii, there is quite a bit
[01:06] <genii> bomber: Well, all we need is about the last 4 lines from RIGHT after you plug in the device. Use pastebin website if very long
[01:06] <genii> !pastebin
[01:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:09] <genii> bomber: When you have a horribly long file you just need the end of, you can "tail" it eg:   dmesg | tail
[01:09] <genii> (in this case)
[01:10] <bomber> http://pastebin.com/m3f2a72e8
[01:10] <genii> OK, reading
[01:11] <genii> bomber: so it looks like sdb1 corresponds to your camera. Does it have 128Mb stick in it?
[01:11] <bomber> yes
[01:13] <quixogre> evening all
[01:13] <genii> bomber: Please pastebin file   /etc/fstab
[01:13] <genii> I will go for a smoke while that happens :) Back in a minute or so
[01:13] <bomber> ok    how do i view that?
[01:13] <quixogre> !pastebin
[01:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:13] <bomber> just less it?
[01:14] <NickPresta> bomber, in a Konsole, type: cat /etc/fstab and then copy it
[01:14] <quixogre> bomber, open it with kate
[01:14] <bomber> ahhh cat... ok thaks
[01:15] <quixogre> stupid gnat on my screen. thought my mouse was freakin out or somethin
[01:15] <bomber> http://pastebin.com/m11d93159
[01:16] <quixogre> anyone here set up NVIDIA drivers on 7.04? having some problems
[01:16] <NickPresta> quixogre, I use the nVidia drivers
[01:16] <bomber> quixogre, is that the newest kubuntu?
[01:17] <NickPresta> quixogre, i use the 9631 drivers
[01:18] <npurciful> I got a question is there issues with ubuntu reading certain type of dvds and cds? my drive supports the disk but ubuntu wont reconise it
[01:18] <quixogre> nick. they crash xserver everytime i run with the nvidia drivers...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39319/this is the log file. notice at the end, looks like the nvidia drivers mismatch what the systems expecting...anyone seen this problem before?
[01:19] <genii> bomber: Ok, We need in the fstab file to put an entry for the /dev/sdb1 device which corresponds now to the camera. Also a spot to mount it to. So i suggest to make a dir for it under /media   like: sudo mkdir /media/sony
[01:19] <genii> bomber: Then we will need the UUID, so please report result of command: blkid|grep sdb2
[01:20] <genii> bomber: then I will give you a line to add to the /etc/fstab file
[01:20] <NickPresta> quixogre, can you post your xorg.conf? And are you sure you have the drivers installed? Can you run `nvidia-settings`?
[01:20] <quixogre> nick. positive i've got em installed...not using them atm, just using nv drivers
[01:21] <bomber> no output
[01:21] <quixogre> so my xorg.conf wouldnt give any hints
[01:21] <quixogre> the problem is, when i load the xorg.conf that is created for the nvidia drivers, x11 crashes
[01:22] <genii> bomber: It is plugged in and blkid|grep sdb2   reports no output?
[01:22] <quixogre> so the only way to show you the "bad" xorg.conf is to crash xwindows
[01:22] <bomber> yes i got it with this
[01:22] <ScorpKing> genii: looking for uuidgen /dev/* ?
[01:22] <jim> Hi I'm about to replace my Dual Boot windoze and FC6 with Dual Boot Kubuntu and Windoze. Should I just remove my 2 linux partitions (/boot and fc6)   with fdisk -d devicename (ie. hda1 and hda2)
[01:22] <Mac40DO> Hi! Why did Kubuntu remove  "settings -> save view changes per folder" from Konqueror?
[01:23] <quixogre> i dont rhink its a problem with the xorg.conf. you'll notice the log file parses through all the xorg.conf stuff no worries
[01:23] <genii> ScorpKing: Perhaps :)
[01:23] <ScorpKing> :)
[01:23] <bomber> i mounted it mount /dev/sdb1 sdb1 and i can see the files
[01:25] <genii> bomber: The idea is we need the uuid so no matter what other devices you plug to the usb it will always know the sony is uuid<whatever uuid>
[01:25] <bomber> ok i didnt get an output with that command
[01:25] <bomber> should it be off or on?
[01:26] <bomber> the camera
[01:26] <bomber> it was on
[01:26] <genii> bomber: OK, so the ScorpKing's suggestion instead,:   uuidgen /dev/sdb2
[01:26] <genii> bomber needs to be on
[01:26] <bomber> ok
[01:27] <Bleep> uhm question... when i click "knetworkmanager" in menu it doesnt work?
[01:28] <Bleep> nothing happens
[01:28] <genii> ScorpKing: Thanks :)
[01:28] <genii> !helpersnack | scorpking
[01:28] <ubotu> scorpking: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[01:29] <ScorpKing> lol @ genii. ty
[01:29] <bomber> uuidgen /dev/sdc1
[01:29] <bomber> 25f33455-45f3-4eba-83e1-4d2753e35e96
[01:29] <ScorpKing> Bleep: is it not in the system tray?
[01:29] <quixogre> wb bleep. still trying to get linux working?
[01:29] <bomber> i shut it off and when i turned it back on it changed from sdb1 to sdc1
[01:30] <Bleep> well is it the same?
[01:30] <genii> bomber: We want sdB1 that is what dmesg reported the sony at, not sdC1
[01:30] <nrossin> OKay, so Gutsy doesn't support my printer... Feisty did.  What the crap?
[01:30] <bomber> for some reason so that the output of uuidgen /dev/sdc1
[01:30] <jim> Any takers for this one:  I'm about to replace my Dual Boot windoze and FC6 with Dual Boot Kubuntu and Windoze. Should I just remove my 2 linux partitions (/boot and fc6)   with fdisk -d devicename (ie. hda1 and hda2)
[01:30] <genii> bomber: Lowercase b of course
[01:30] <quixogre> neither gutsy NOR feisty support either one of my printers...so be thankful
[01:31] <bomber> genii it changed to sdc1
[01:31] <bomber> i shut it off and when i turned it back on it had a new number
[01:31] <nrossin> quixogre: At least you have consistency.  This happened with Feisty too... it didn't support the same hardware that Edgy did.
[01:31] <ScorpKing> Bleep: i'm lost and out of ideas. :(
[01:31] <genii> bomber: this is one reason why we need the UUID
[01:31] <quixogre> jim, boot from the kubuntu CD. use the gui application to reformat drives. MUCH simpler
[01:32] <bomber> thats the uuid for sure
[01:32] <genii> bomber: OK, we will try with that one :) a minute, i will compose a line to add to your /etc/fstab
[01:32] <bomber> sweet... thanks a lot
[01:32] <jim> quixogre:will it leave my windoze there?
[01:33] <Bleep> lol ive digged into the forums
[01:33] <quixogre> nrossin. im using two different types of dell prionters. dell has NO linux support. despite claims to the contrary
[01:33] <ScorpKing> Bleep: what's interesting there?
[01:33] <genii> bomber: Open with admin privelege the file by:   kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[01:33] <evan__> any idea y my kubuntu pc does not show-up in network of win pc, but i can see win pc & send files to them. both machines show up on wireless router
[01:33] <Bleep> they say that you can isntall a VPN plugin for knetworkmanager
[01:33] <genii> bomber: then add this:  UUID=25f33455-45f3-4eba-83e1-4d2753e35e96 /media/sony auto user,auto,rw 0 0
[01:33] <nrossin> lol so I'm trying to be a good user and file bug reports ... but Good Lord!  EVERYTHING I'm trying to do has some serious bugs in it.
[01:33] <genii> bomber: then save it
[01:34] <quixogre> jim, gparted...it let me resize my windoze partition, without reinstalling windoze
[01:34] <Bleep> i cant find the package though
[01:34] <genii> bomber: If the directory /media/sony does not yet exist you can make it by:   sudo mkdir /media/sony
[01:34] <nrossin> quixogre: I'm using a very popular Epson Stylus... but nope, Kubuntu Gutsy doesn't have drivers for it.
[01:34] <ScorpKing> !samba | evan__:
[01:34] <ubotu> evan__:: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:34] <ScorpKing> Bleep: have a link for me?
[01:35] <quixogre> evan__: NOW you need samba running
[01:35] <nrossin> ...i wish I'd known that.  I would have stuck with Feisty for a couple months yet.
[01:35] <Bleep> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3081799.0
[01:35] <evan__> ubotu: samba on the win box!?
[01:35] <ScorpKing> evan__: no. linux so win can see it.
[01:35] <quixogre> evan__: no. run samba on the linux box. this way, the windows boxes will be able to see the linux drives
[01:36] <evan__> i am using konqeror to see my win box
[01:36] <quixogre> evan__: linux is pretty good at getitng along with windows. its windows that doesnt like to play well with others
[01:36] <evan__> that makes sense, beacuse i can see them, but they cant see me
[01:37] <quixogre> evan__:  to solve the problem, run samba. that will let your windows boxes see your linux drives as if they were windows drives
[01:37] <Bleep> check under "VPN support"   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[01:37] <jim> quixogre: I don't want to resize my windoze partition though just leave as is. Are you saying the app. on the CD will get rid of my 2 linux partitions and leave windoze intact, then install kubuntu where FC6 used to be and install boot loader that will allow me to also load windoze when I need to.
[01:38] <evan__> ok guys thanks for the links and support, i will check them out
[01:38] <quixogre> jim, it will let you do whatever you want with whatever you want. and give you a nice GUI to do it in to boot
[01:38] <ScorpKing> Bleep: i'm checking...
[01:39] <jim> ok , does that happen during install process or there is another app on the CD for that?
[01:39] <bomber> it didnt work
[01:39] <genii> bomber: After this, you should always be able to see the camera contents from Konqueror in "Storage Media" section
[01:39] <quixogre> jim, kubuntu uses grub, just like FC6. once you've got linux installed, just go to a linux command line, and type "grub-install hd0" that will install grub onto your primary HD
[01:40] <ScorpKing> Bleep: if you try that the i don't think you'll need network-manager-gnome as knetworkmanager is installed
[01:40] <Bleep> ah ok
[01:40] <Bleep> its KDe:)
[01:41] <bomber> genii,  it didnt work
[01:42] <jim> quixogre ok thanks here goes, hopefully I'll be back in an hour running Kubuntu : )
[01:42] <bomber> now its sdd1
[01:42] <quixogre> jim good hunting ;)
[01:42] <genii> bomber: When you do: mount                             by itself, does it show sdc1 as being mounted someplace?
[01:43] <quixogre> anyone seen uga? need to bug him about soem nvidia driver stuff
[01:44] <bomber> sdb1 is
[01:44] <ScorpKing> quixogre: nope.
[01:44] <genii> bomber: OK, likely from when you did mount command earlier. You maybe never umount the sdb1
[01:44] <quixogre> any other NVIDIA gurus lurking about? trying to get my NVIDIA linux drivers to work, and having a problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39319/
[01:45] <bomber> ahh
[01:45] <waltercool> someone can make work teamspeak using wine or cedega?
[01:45] <biovore> use aoss emulation.. wine and teamspeak will fight over /dev/dsp
[01:45] <ScorpKing> good luck with all the fun. bedtime for me. nite guys! :D
[01:45] <genii> waltercool: Why, when gaim has a TeamSpeak plugin?
[01:46] <waltercool> gaim?
[01:46] <waltercool> genii: gaim, the chat?
[01:46] <genii> yes
[01:46] <genii> now pidgin
[01:46] <waltercool> kopete have something simmilar? xD
[01:46] <genii> kopete I dunno
[01:46] <waltercool> i need it for World of Warcraft voice xD
[01:47] <bomber> im getting 2 windows popping up now asking what to do with the media when i plug it in
[01:47] <genii> bomber: Weird but progress
[01:47] <bomber> yes indeed
[01:48] <quixogre> genii: sounds like its trying to mount it in two places...
[01:48] <genii> bomber: Does that camera have 2 storage onboard? Like a memory stick plus internal storage
[01:49] <bomber> well it shows as having 2 folders... 1 for the pics and 1 for the movies
[01:49] <waltercool> alsa works bad in World of Warcraft
[01:49] <waltercool> sorry
[01:49] <waltercool> oss
[01:49] <genii> bomber: Hmmm. I'm not sure why the 2 prompts.
[01:50] <bomber> beats me.. neither one makes the camera work either
[01:50] <bomber> 1 had to mount it manually again
[01:50] <genii> bomber: so it is mounting where we told it, under /media/sony   ?  or autogenerated /media/sdX#       ?
[01:51] <bomber> its not mounting unless i do it manually... i munted it under /media/sont
[01:51] <bomber> ./media/sony
[01:52] <bomber> now i umunted it and shut it off again
[01:53] <zolix> eny body see argus here ?
[01:53] <genii> bomber: Try another usb port, turn it on again. Tell if 1 or 2 windows asking what to do
[01:54] <NickPresta> !away > quixogre_away
[01:54] <zolix> apt-get install arping
[01:54] <zolix> wow not this window :)
[01:54] <zolix> sorry
[01:57] <NickPresta> Coffee keeps me up all night :)
[01:57] <sampson> i tried installing the kde4 beta for gutsy yet it seems like a lot of files aren't...there anymore?
[01:57] <genii> Me too
[01:58] <sampson> there's no startkde in /usr/lib/kde4/bin and there's no kde4.desktop either
[01:58] <sampson> did the steps change from what is on the site to install it?
[01:58] <bomber> genii, 2 prompts
[01:58] <KGIS> !backports
[01:58] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[01:59] <bomber> when i click it says malformed url
[01:59] <genii> bomber: Hmm. Previously, was the /media/terrabyte     where it was being mounted?
[01:59] <vagman> ya
[01:59] <bomber> nope.. thats my external maxtor terrabyte drive
[02:00] <sampson> i followed these steps for kde4...do they not work anymore? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> sampson- I'm pretty sure Beta 2 is available now
[02:01] <sampson> it has the same steps...i followed them to a t yet neither feisty or gutsy installed all the files
[02:02] <hcbox> i'm installing sim city 4 with wine, and he dont want to read cd2 ( i use iso )
[02:04] <genii> bomber: There was a malformed line in your fstab previously, for the floppy drive. It had only /dev and not /dev/fd0 as a device. But i do not see how it could be affecting the other. As well the parameters we gave should be fine. eg:  auto (for filesystem type) auto(for automount) user(for normal users to mount) rw (read-write)
[02:05] <bomber> odd
[02:05] <genii> bomber: could add "defaults" as an option
[02:05] <genii> bomber: eg: defaults,user,auto,rw 0 0
[02:06] <bomber> lemme try it
[02:06] <genii> just before where we had "user", with a comma
[02:06] <intelikey> genii auto and user both,  if it's automounted then root did it.
[02:07] <genii> intelikey: You think eliminate "user" or "auto
[02:07] <genii> "bah tired :)
[02:07] <bomber> lol.. me too.. thanks for the help though
[02:08] <genii> bomber: Well, you could try that :) I am not on a box where i use my camera so guessing a bit on the options neccesary
[02:08] <Minataku> cpu0 at mainbus0: DVMA coherent : MB86907 @ 170 MHz, on-chip FPU
[02:08] <Minataku> cpu0: 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 512K external (32 b/l): cache enabled
[02:08] <Minataku> lol
[02:08] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[02:09] <intelikey> that should allow anyone to mount it and dismount it.  also making it not automount at boot time thus root wont own it and prevent you from doing so
[02:09] <genii> intelikey: He would like if it auto-popped a window when he inserts it
[02:10] <genii> I think auto is neccesary for that
[02:10] <intelikey> if you think so.
[02:10] <genii> But my brain is fuzzy after 12 hours of being here
[02:10] <intelikey> but i don't think putting it in fstab will help that
[02:10] <zblach> hey all
[02:10] <zblach> is there a channel for the gutsy beta?
[02:10] <Dragnslcr> #ubuntu+1
[02:10] <zblach> ty
[02:11] <bomber> /dev/sda1 /media/terrabyte auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[02:11] <bomber> that is my external drive and it works fine
[02:11] <intelikey> auto and noauto conflict in the args  ^
[02:11] <tealson> I put a fiwi uid into my fstab to mount the device into /media/fiwi but it is still automatically mountet to /media/disk, any ideas?
[02:12] <intelikey> "noauto,atime,auto" ^
[02:12] <bomber> i can see the files and use them just fine and thats how kubuntu set it up
[02:12] <genii> bomber: Weird
[02:12] <intelikey> i don't care who did it,   it's wrong.
[02:12] <bomber> lol.. i'd love to fix it :)
[02:13] <genii> I need to get going home soon, been at work 3 hours past normal leaving-time. Intelikey you good to help bomber?
[02:14] <intelikey> one of those has to be ignored for the other to affect, and that's dumb by any standard.  you don't specify both    auto and no auto     nor  suid and no usid    nor   exec and no exec      it's just foolish to say both   do and dont in one breath
[02:14] <genii> intelikey: I wonder if it's first wins or last wins, as far as those conflicting options go
[02:15] <intelikey> genii i don't know if i'm good to help anyone.  but i'll be here for a bit.
[02:15] <bomber> it is rather foolish
[02:15] <intelikey> genii not sure but i can do a little testing to see.
[02:16] <genii> bomber: Well, even if no more progress past this at least you can manually mount and get your pics off that way
[02:16] <bomber> i'll mess with it tomorrow a  little more
[02:16] <genii> bomber: I really really need to leave :)
[02:16] <bomber> a least i can manually mount it and get my pictures on here
[02:16] <intelikey> :)
[02:16] <intelikey> gooday genii
[02:16] <bomber> i need them for selling stuff
[02:16] <bomber> thanks a lot genii
[02:16] <genii> OK, goodnight all
[02:16] <bomber> i appreciate your time and yours too intelikey
[02:16] <genii> you too intelikey :) LOL bomber: you're welcome
[02:19] <intelikey> test confirms that auto is ignored if noauto is in the string.   reguardless of order.
[02:19] <bomber> ahh
[02:21] <intelikey> for mount: version 2.12r   at least.
[02:23] <intelikey> being GNU it's subject to change with distro / version / build options / whim / act of G-d / or just bad luck.
[02:26] <Azzco> Hi I want to upgrade to the gutsy beta but my adept doesn't have the new repository functions..
[02:26] <intelikey> !gutsy
[02:26] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:26] <Azzco> What version of adept do I need to have to get the repository managing with tabs?
[02:27] <Azzco> Okay well this is a matter of getting adept properly set up... I only get a list when I go into the menu to manage my repositorys
[02:30] <intelikey> sed 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list-gutsy
[02:37] <intelikey> or warty/gutsy   or what ever you run to what ever you want.
[02:37] <Azzco> Thanks, I srill want to have the tabs in adept though..
[02:37] <intelikey> then someone that uses a gui will have to help you.
[02:37] <intelikey> i think i looked at adept one time.
[02:37] <intelikey> and it seems silly to me,  to be trying to fix an app that you intend to use to replace the same....
[02:41] <lavacano201014> wheeeeeeeeeeee
[02:43] <lavacano201014> im trying to run a program installed on my Kubuntu box through Mocha X on my Windows box. Is it even possible?
[02:44] <slussier> er....I hope Kubuntu final will have those huge bug fixed: top shows Xorg eating 40-50% cpu - I even do not move the mice!!!
[02:44] <slussier> And the KMenu propagation is messed up ...
[02:46] <vmlinuz`> hey.
[02:47] <vmlinuz`> I don't want my alt-tab to change desktops, i want it to change programs, how
[02:48] <NickPresta> vmlinuz`, I don't know how you got Alt+Tab to change desktops. It shouldn't do that by default
[02:48] <Jucato> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:49] <vmlinuz`> NickPresta: it does that by default to me, i swear
[02:49] <NickPresta> vmlinuz`, I believe you. Let me figure out where you can change that behavior...
[02:49] <NickPresta> nevermind, listen to Jucato
[02:51] <vmlinuz`> ok thanks
[02:53] <vmlinuz`> does kde have problems running games via wine...
[02:54] <TiMiDo> vmlinuz`, not really are you getting any errors?
[02:57] <lavacano201014> how do i enable telnet connections?
[02:58] <vmlinuz`> TiMiDo: not an error, but i used to run these windowmode games in gnome, i alt-tab so smoothly, but in kde, when i alt-tab, it freezes for few seconds plus sound also keep choking or repeating.. u know what i mean? Only for few seconds tho
[03:06] <vmlinuz`> TiMiDo: are you still there?
[03:07] <lavacano201014> how do i enable telnet connections?
[03:11] <mneptok> lavacano201014: why would you want to?
[03:11] <mneptok> lavacano201014: it's an extremely bad idea. use ssh.
[03:11] <lavacano201014> so i can use this thingy i have that uses telnet to run X programs
[03:11] <lavacano201014> it needs telnet to connect to remote computers
[03:12] <lavacano201014> there is no setting for ssh on this program
[03:13] <vmlinuz`> why I don't have vulome in my desktop panel
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> My default kde is odd.
[03:14] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: run kmix
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: do i run it each time i start kde?
[03:14] <Minataku> Mmmm... Lunchbox SPARC machine :3
[03:14] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: it should be saved and restarted when you logout and log in
[03:14] <Minataku> Say... is Ubuntu just for i386?
[03:14] <Minataku> I don't think I've ever checked
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: do i run it using start > run
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> or console?
[03:15] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: or K Menu -> Multimedia -> KMix
[03:15] <vmlinuz`> ok Jucato
[03:15] <Jucato> Minataku: you do mean x86 right? coz 386 is a tad too old :)
[03:15] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: the first time i ran KDE, it pops an configuration gui. then i set my kde to look as Mac OS i think, how do i re-configure this whole gui?
[03:16] <Minataku> Jucato: You know what I mean :P
[03:16] <Jucato> you can run that app again. Alt+F2, "kpersonalizer"
[03:16] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: and yes, your default KDE isn't the default Kubuntu setup
[03:16] <Jucato> I'm guessing it's not a normal installation. you might have just apt-get install kde
[03:16] <Minataku> Technically, though, x86 refers to the 16bit architecture where it all started ;3
[03:17] <Jucato> really? doesn't x86 refer to 386, 486, 586, 686 and clones?
[03:17] <Jucato> anyway, *buntu is x86, x86_64, and unofficial PPC
[03:17] <Jucato> afaik
[03:17] <Minataku> Well, it (x86) started with the 8086/8066
[03:17] <Minataku> Er
[03:17] <Minataku> 8088
[03:18] <lavacano201014> never mind about telnet i got my ssh client to use my x server
[03:18] <Minataku> Typically, i386 is used as a catch-all for x32
[03:18] <Jucato> yeah but those aren't called x86. they're directly called 8088 etc
[03:19] <Minataku> Remember the 80186/80188 and 80286 are x86 as well
[03:19] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: yes that what i did.. is that bad?
[03:19] <Jucato> not bad. but might not be what you wanted. it depends
[03:20] <Jucato> although it does install dozens and dozens of apps you might not have wanted/needed to install in the first place
[03:20] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: ok, how to re-open this configuration.
[03:20] <Jucato> re-open what?
[03:20] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: I remember it shows me the command "To re-do this configuration type blah" but i forget it
[03:21] <vmlinuz`> that was the first time i ever ran kde
[03:21] <Jucato> I already told you how
[03:21] <Jucato> [09:16]  <Jucato> you can run that app again. Alt+F2, "kpersonalizer"
[03:21] <vmlinuz`> thanks
[03:30] <vmlinuz`> where can i find monitor resulotion
[03:31] <Jucato> KControl -> Peripherals -> Display
[03:31] <Jucato> if it isn't there, you have to install the package "kde-guidance"
[03:32] <Jucato> btw, by installing "kde"  only, you don't get any of the kubuntu default settings/configuration/set of apps that are installed by default
[03:32] <Jucato> (although you do get some of the common ones)
[03:32] <mneptok> 8086/8088 are not x86 or i386
[03:32] <vmlinuz`> do you recommend removing kde and installing kubuntu the better way?
[03:33] <mneptok> x86/i386 implies a full 32-bit path. nothing prior to the 80386sx offered this
[03:34] <Jucato> removing kde wont' do anything now, since it will remove only that package, and not anything else you installed. you could install the package kubuntu-desktop to get the Kubuntu defaults
[03:34] <SETKEH-NRNS> k ubuntu looks heaps better than Ubuntu
[03:34] <SETKEH-NRNS> lool
[03:48] <vmlinuz`> ok im installing kubuntu-desktop, does it overwrite anything..?
[03:48] <SETKEH-NRNS> no
[03:49] <SETKEH-NRNS> thats if you mean stuff on that distro if its installed to your hard drive
[03:49] <SETKEH-NRNS> if it not on you hard drive and you dont know how partitions work it will wipe you hard drive clean
[04:06] <vmlinuz`> which is better gdm or kdm as a display manager?
[04:07] <mneptok> vmlinuz`: that's subjective.
[04:07] <vmlinuz`> i havent tried both so tell me ur opinion ;o
[04:08] <mneptok> well, i'm a GNOME Foundation member and sysadmin.
[04:08] <mneptok> want my "unbiased" opinion?
[04:08] <mneptok> use what you prefer.
[04:08] <mneptok> :)
[04:08] <biovore> rgr.. both have there ups and downs..
[04:09] <biovore> both are better then windows.. imo.
[04:09] <mneptok> "than" ;)
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> a grammar nazi after my own heart :D
[04:10] <biovore> hehe
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> vmlinuz`: gdm vs. kdm is simple
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> integration
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> which desktop environment do you use more?
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> kde
[04:11] <mneptok> then there it is
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> then kdm might be a good idea
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> thanks
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> brb reboot x
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> afaik, unless things have changed, you can only log out from a DE that isn't...  i dunno what i'm trying to say.  you can only log out of kde using gdm (no reboot)
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and vice versa
[04:13] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: krhm
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> that's how i understood it, anyway
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> i could be wrong (and judging by Tm_T's response, i am)
[04:16] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: no, you were right, but you did hilight me earlier
[04:16] <Tm_T> by using word "nazi" too lightly
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> my apologies
[04:18] <vmlinuz`> KControl -> Peripherals -> Display .... But i can't find Peripherals in Kcontrol. what does that means.
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll amend that to something like...  psycho grammar corrector :)
[04:19] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: this is after you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[04:19] <Jucato> but there should be peripherals there... are you sure you're using KControl and not System Settings?
[04:19] <SETKEH-NRNS> whats irc official sever adress???
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you're here
[04:19] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: yep
[04:19] <Jucato> SETKEH-NRNS: which server? freenode? irc.freenode.net
[04:20] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: then try System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[04:20] <SETKEH-NRNS> Jucato any server that can help me put up and irc server (if its possible)
[04:21] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: that works, thanks.
[04:22] <Jucato> SETKEH-NRNS: um.. sorry, don't know much about setting up your own irc
[04:22] <bennykravitz> hallo kann mir hier jemand helfen?
[04:22] <Jucato> !de
[04:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:22] <Jucato> (just a guess...)
[04:22] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol
[04:22] <bennykravitz> thanks ;)
[04:23] <NightBird> yeah, that looks german to me
[04:23] <SETKEH-NRNS> it is
[04:24] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: whats kde default media player?
[04:24] <SETKEH-NRNS> hallo = hello
[04:24] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: default KDE would be noatun... but the one that comes with Kubuntu is Kaffeine
[04:25] <Jucato> um. noatun (videos+anything) and juk (audio)
[04:26] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: because I dunno whats wrong. the player isn't work for some reason.
[04:27] <Jucato> !doesntwork
[04:27] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:27] <vmlinuz`> its noatun
[04:27] <vmlinuz`> whenever I play "It stopped"
[04:27] <Jucato> like I said, the default that comes w/ Kubuntu is Kaffeine
[04:32] <Linus____> SETKEH-NRNS, you might find some of what you're looking for here?  < http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg >
[04:34] <npurciful> I got a question, i once had 3 hdd in my computer (just have 2 now) hda hdb hdd well hdd use to be hda and was my root w/boot and now hda is a new 320g hdd. so i install kubuntu on the new hda install grub to hda but grub also added hdd1 to menu list under 'other'. i no long have hdd hooked up and grub still has it list. So i did grub-install -recheck /dev/hda, grub install then run update-grub to update menu.lst but it is
[04:34] <npurciful> still there
[04:35] <npurciful> sorry long post
[04:36] <npurciful> hdd1 is listed but doesnt exist
[04:36] <fignew> ahh
[04:36] <fignew> ok
[04:36] <npurciful> somewhere grub thinks it is there
[04:37] <joseph_> anyone gotten wow to work on linux. without paying?
[04:37] <npurciful> you mean with wine
[04:37] <joseph_> yes
[04:38] <fignew> npurciful: have you tried grub-install -recheck /dev/hdd
[04:38] <fignew> it might see that it no longer exists
[04:38] <npurciful> yes i have
[04:38] <GUMMM> wow?
[04:38] <npurciful> i check the device.map it isnt there
[04:39] <GUMMM> u got wow to work?
[04:39] <Jucato> !wow
[04:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[04:39] <Jucato> and for wine info, #winehq
[04:39] <fignew> npurciful: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:40] <fignew> but that's prob. not the "correct" debian way of doing it
[04:40] <npurciful> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=6482
[04:40] <npurciful> yeah, i know i could do that i was just trying to figure out why it is doing that
[04:41] <npurciful> i though maybe boot to cd and reinstall grub from there
[04:42] <npurciful> I am new to linux 7months and i fix thing by breaking my system all the time
[04:42] <npurciful> you know that saying if it isnt broke dont fix it? my is "If it is fixed, break it"
[04:43] <fignew> does sudo "dpkg-reconfigure grub" fix it?
[04:43] <fignew> whoop
[04:43] <fignew> does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub" fix it?
[04:43] <fignew> better :)
[04:44] <Jucato> !grub
[04:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:44] <Jucato> might find some useful commands there
[04:45] <npurciful> nope, still the same,
[04:46] <npurciful> I dont get it though the device.map doesnt show hdd
[04:48] <fignew> just remove the entry in menu.lst
[04:49] <Sassuke> kann was passieren wenn ich installation einfach abbreche ?
[04:49] <Sassuke> weil es geht einfach nicht mehr weiter :-/
[04:50] <Jucato> !de | Sassuke
[04:50] <ubotu> Sassuke: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:50] <Jucato> (isn't that from Naruto? O.o)
[04:50] <Sassuke> damn schon wieder falscher channel sorry sorry sorry ^^
[04:51] <jhutchins> Sassuke: Sorry, but I can't quite parse that.
[04:51] <Jucato> invalid syntax
[05:00] <nrossin> Is Dolphin capable of showing previews of video files as well?
[05:01] <Jucato> nrossin: same ways as konqueror
[05:03] <nrossin> Jucato: I haven't used KDE in a long time.  Just installed the Gutsy beta today.
[05:03] <nrossin> Jucato: I just know that with Nautilus, they showed up automatically.... in Dolphin, they don't.
[05:03] <Jucato> you need to have libarts1-xine installed
[05:03] <nrossin> ok
[05:04] <nrossin> Jucato: Wow... that worked ... and a LOT faster than gnome ever did lol
[05:04] <nrossin> Jucato: Thank you.
[05:05] <nrossin> Jucato: Another, non-essential but related question.  Can I make the preview under the "Information" sidebar larger?
[05:06] <kkathman> greetings Jucato :)
[05:06] <Jucato> greetings kkathman! Long Live and Prosper!
[05:06] <kkathman> lol
[05:07] <Jucato> nrossin: i think the size is fixed
[05:07] <kkathman> Jucato have you upgraded t gutsy via apt-get dist-upgrade yet??
[05:07] <kkathman> or has anyone?
[05:08] <kkathman> Ive heard mostly of disasters so far
[05:08] <mneptok> kkathman: i did
[05:08] <mneptok> kkathman: i had no problems. YMMV.
[05:08] <kkathman> There is a point where that seems to work ok. and other points where it doesn :)
[05:08] <Jucato> kkathman: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends
[05:09] <kkathman> mneptok:  thanks - did you have compiz-fusion going?
[05:09] <Jucato> I tried the upgrade tool first. crashed, then continued with a mix of adept and apt-get
[05:09] <mneptok> kkathman: nope.
[05:09] <Jucato> !away > capuccinio
[05:09] <kkathman> Jucato would you reccomend to wait at this point then?
[05:09] <Jucato> since it's still beta. yes I would.
[05:09] <mneptok> kkathman: i would wait the ~2 weeks for release, yeah
[05:09] <Jucato> unless you absolutely need/want to
[05:09] <kkathman> ok thanks
[05:09] <kkathman> I dont need to
[05:10] <mneptok> kkathman: i had no problems, but i'm also not the average user
[05:10] <kkathman> Im dual booting openSUSE and kubuntu so Im ok atm - openSUSE is going to 10.3 about the same time
[05:10] <kkathman> mneptok:  well Im not either - been on ubuntu since warty
[05:10] <mneptok> kkathman: the release is so close, there's no point in the risk, however small
[05:10] <kkathman> right - and Im production
[05:11] <kkathman> so I'll wait
[05:11] <Jucato> opensuse 10.3 is on thursday, mandriva 2008 on friday (I think), and gutsy on the 18th
[05:11] <Jucato> pc-bsd 1.4 last week
[05:11] <kkathman> yeah something like that
[05:11] <mneptok> kkathman: i work for Canonical and have the home phone number of every member of the distro team
[05:11] <Jucato> one hell of a quarter for KDE :)
[05:11] <Jucato> (yeah.. not fair :P)
[05:11] <kkathman> mneptok:  good to know - would love to chat sometime
[05:11] <mneptok> kkathman: that kinda safety net helps a lot when panicking ;)
[05:12] <kkathman> mneptok:  Im a bigger fan of buntu now since running openSUSE for a year
[05:12] <mneptok> it's not that i'm some sorta Linux guru. just that i have a hotline to them ;)
[05:12] <kkathman> Im a web developer - and replaced Windows 100% for about 2 years now
[05:12] <mneptok> n1badboy: please stop the public away notices
[05:13] <mneptok> too late
[05:13] <kkathman> I loved some aspects of openSUSE however and would love to share  info
[05:13] <kkathman> byt bottom line the community there was very antogonistic and mean
[05:13] <Jucato> mneptok: not really. I already sent him a warning message earlier
[05:13] <kkathman> but the product is top shellf
[05:13] <mneptok> Jucato: yeah, i'm just too nice ;)
[05:13] <kkathman> lol
[05:13] <Jucato> mneptok: I am too. but enough is too much :)
[05:14] <khaije1> is there a recommended method for encrypting my /home filesystem?
[05:14] <mneptok>  /m Jucato I AM AWAY! YOUR MESSAGE WAS LOGGED!   I got to say that to you lol :)
[05:15] <mneptok> khaije1: encrypted filesystems are now a valid target in debian-installer. you can use the Gutsy installer.
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> I still need to respond to that but I've been too busy
[05:15] <mneptok> khaije1: it was disabled in the beta, but packages committed today re-enable the functionality. either wait for release or grab tomorrow's daily.
[05:16] <khaije1> mneptok: thats cool, do you know which technologies they use for that?
[05:16] <Jucato> !away > SETKEH-NRNS[A]
[05:16] <mneptok> khaije1: dm-crypt + cryptsetup
[05:16] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: don't know abut the +l but Alt+PrntScrn takes a screenshot of the current window and puts it directly into the clipboard
[05:16] <Jucato> no ksnapshot involved
[05:17] <yurimxpxman> Jucato: try alt+prntscrn+l and tell me what it does
[05:17] <khaije1> mneptok: ok so what i'm wondering is... if i go ahead and set this up manually will it be okay w/ upgrades, and are there any mgmt tools for this sort of thing
[05:17] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: guess you've been pretty busy. you should eat some more btw.. getting really thin there :)
[05:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> if he's away, he probably won't get that message :)
[05:17] <mneptok> khaije1: cryptsetup and/or LUKS
[05:18] <Jucato> Daisuke-Laptop: it's sent in a PM, he'll get it later
[05:18] <khaije1> mneptok: thank ya!
[05:18] <mneptok> yessir
[05:19] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: um. does it hang the system or what? I can't afford to test that right now
[05:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: I've always been thin actually. Well I'm off to do hw
[05:19] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hehe ok. have fun :)
[05:20] <yurimxpxman> Jucato: idk. I was just reading about it, and it's supposed to ask you which desktop to screenshot or something, but I can't get it to work
[05:20] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: where have you read it?
[05:21] <yurimxpxman> Jucato: it was actually someone in ##linux that told me about it
[05:21] <Jucato> never heard of such a feature though... sorry
[05:22] <Jucato> might want to ask in #kde
[05:22] <yurimxpxman> ok
[05:36] <npurciful> well trying update-grub from rescue system didnt change anything, some bugger
[05:36] <npurciful> some/same
[05:37] <tzanger> good evening
[05:37] <tzanger> what is the package name I need to install to be able to listen to shoutcast streams with amarok?
[05:38] <tzanger> I though it was installed by default but it does not appear to be the case
[05:42] <ftz> It there an easy way to upgrade KDE from 3.5.6 to a new version?
[05:42] <holymoo> that is the new version
[05:43] <ftz> Doesn't 7.10 have a newer one?
[05:43] <holymoo> well when you upgrade to 7.10 you will find out, no?
[05:43] <ftz> lol.. true.  I just hate to do that when mine is running so well...
[05:44] <holymoo> i can check which packages will show me what version it is?
[05:45] <holymoo> i'm not sure your question makes sense tho
[05:45] <holymoo> on ubuntu your de gets upgraded along with new releases
[05:45] <holymoo> if you want to do some sort of backport you can compile and package the kde suite your self
[05:45] <holymoo> otherwise why even ask?
[05:47] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.7 is the latest KDE version
[05:48] <Jucato> ftz:  what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[05:49] <ftz> 7.04
[05:49] <ivanbili> how would I search for a file in kubuntu?
[05:49] <Jucato> if you're using feisty, you can upgrade to KDE 3.5.7: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[05:49] <ftz> 3.5.6
[05:49] <ivanbili> ( from the gui )
[05:49] <Jucato> ivanbili: K Menu -> Find Files
[05:49] <ftz> ty
[05:49] <Jucato> or Alt+F2, "kfind"
[05:50] <ivanbili> also, where do I see all my "paths" so that I know where the file that is being executed is
[05:50] <ivanbili> e.g.
[05:50] <ivanbili> when I type "wish"
[05:50] <Jucato> which
[05:50] <Jucato> not wish
[05:50] <ivanbili> where is the executable?
[05:50] <Jucato> which <executable> will tell you
[05:50] <ivanbili> hehe
[05:51] <ivanbili> in that case I need which wish
[05:51] <Jucato> heh
[05:52] <ivanbili> now, where is that file where I can add shell paths?
[05:52] <ivanbili> I've done it before
[05:52] <ivanbili> bash something
[05:52] <ftz> jucato: THX Exacly what i was looking for
[05:53] <Jucato> !path
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <Jucato> er...
[05:53] <Jucato> ivanbili: ~/.bashrc perhaps
[05:53] <ivanbili> yes, thanks
[05:58] <newsense07> how can i get to a site in firefox with a mms:// address ?
[06:12] <Creationist> I'm running Kubunty Gutsy.  If I had problems with nvidia-glx-new (the automatically installed driver), would it be worth trying nvidia-glx?
[06:13] <shaffy> can anyone please tell me how to format a removable NTFS drive in kubuntu to FAT32?
[06:14] <Creationist> shaffy: The easiest way I know to do it is to use QtParted (best to do so from a LiveCD)
[06:14] <intelikey> if  a new driver is giving trubble,  it's always worth trying an older one.   or a newer one,  or simply a different one...
[06:14] <illusina> Can someone help me out? I can't get firefox to use my external usb mixer, but other programs work fine with it..
[06:14] <intelikey> shaffy  sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/<devicenode>
[06:14] <Lynoure> shaffy: the command is mkfs.vfat,  see man mkfs.vfat before proceeding
[06:15] <Lynoure> shaffy: or just do what intelikey said :)
[06:15] <shaffy> thanks intelikey and Lynoure.   much appreciated  :D
[06:15] <Lynoure> shaffy: but note that that will distroy your data.
[06:16] <shaffy> as long as it destroys the data on the drive i'm formatting, i'm okay with it
[06:16] <shaffy> hehe
[06:16] <Lynoure> s/distroy/destroy
[06:16] <Lynoure> yes, only on that one :)
[06:17] <intelikey> ummm on what ever device you input as the devicenode.  i.e. if you tell it to format  hda1  then hda1 gets it.   if you tell it hda  then the whole disk gets it.
[06:17] <fulat2k_> hi folks, is there any way i can find out why firefox and swiftfox is crashing after ~20-30 mins of use?
[06:18] <intelikey> fulat2k_ is it gutsy ?
[06:18] <fulat2k_> intelikey: nopes.  feisty
[06:19] <intelikey> fulat2k_ did you check the forums ?    i've seen several mention that.
[06:19] <fulat2k_> intelikey: i've even cleared out my .mozilla directory to start fresh.
[06:19] <fulat2k_> intelikey: hmm... nopes.  lemme see what i can find.  thx
[06:19] <Creationist> intelikey: Okay, I installed the nvidia-glx package, restarted X and then ran glxinfo.. but I got a lot of errors from that about "Extension GLX missing on display"
[06:19] <Creationist> Did I miss something?
[06:20] <intelikey> idk.
[06:20] <intelikey> probably just that the driver and your hardware don't jive
[06:21] <intelikey> but as you say,  was worth a try.
[06:21] <Creationist> It worked with Feisty... so I'm confused.
[06:21] <intelikey> Creationist i have no insite on gutsy.    check in #ubuntu+1  maybe someone knows
[06:22] <intelikey> could be a partial package.   i have no clue really
[06:22] <Adriana> anyone here know a way for me to make secondlife more stable on kubuntu
[06:25] <intelikey> Adriana if nothing proceeds from this channel ask in #ubuntu    just drop the k in your question so they don't just say  "go ask in #kubuntu"  ;)
[06:33] <chalcedony> does anyone use K3b ?
[06:33] <vmlinuz`> hm
[06:33] <intelikey> i have used it.
[06:33] <vmlinuz`> chalcedony: I used it before
[06:34] <vmlinuz`> after an X restart, my KSim is gone.
[06:34] <intelikey> was it uninstalled ?
[06:35] <vmlinuz`> ah sry not KSim
[06:35] <intelikey> errr removed i mean.
[06:35] <vmlinuz`> do you know in KDE desktop there is the panel that is down. and one panel in the top right? The top panel is gone for some reason.
[06:35] <chalcedony> vmlinuz`: ill have to get it back open (my kitten slept on the power supply) but i was having trouble getting it to see the files i wanted to copy
[06:35] <chalcedony> nobody seemed to understand how it works to help me
[06:37] <intelikey> vmlinuz` you can add panels if you like.    i don't know why one would vanish unless you removed something from ~/.kde/*
[06:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know why he had a panel in the upper right by default anyway
[06:37] <vmlinuz`> intelikey: I haven't removed anything, it just vanished after I Jumped to gnome, then back to KDE.
[06:37] <vmlinuz`> I had alot of odd things by defualt.
[06:38] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: it wasnt upper right, it was a panel in the top of the screen
[06:38] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: can you show me a SS of yours?
[06:38] <intelikey> well gnome has by default two panels,   i never saw a kde that had two by default.  but i haven't seen the ubuntu default for anything past 6.6
[06:38] <vmlinuz`> intelikey: oh, so my kde is bugged before, that why i had two panels?
[06:39] <ivanbili> buffer I/O error on device sr0

[06:39] <ivanbili> this is what I get when I try to boot from LiveCD
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> my .xsession has these two lines, is that the reason?
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> #!/bin/bash
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> sleep 4s &&
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> gnome-panel &
[06:39] <intelikey> ivanbili then you probably don't have an scsi controler
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: are you using KDE atm?
[06:39] <intelikey> yeah
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> no, gnome
[06:40] <intelikey> vmlinuz` you are running gnome panel and kicker
[06:40] <vmlinuz`> intelikey: kicker? Whats that please
[06:40] <ivanbili> it worked before
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> kicker is kde's panel
[06:40] <ivanbili> i mean, nothing changed in hardware
[06:40] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: the one that is down?
[06:40] <jcs7778> I am having a problem with my terminal the ./command wont work, Ive made sure that the files i am trying to execute are permitted to execute, and ive made sure that my user is allowed to execute them ive also tried executing as sudo nothing works. It allways returns with permission denied
[06:40] <intelikey> ivanbili where did you retreve that error from ?\
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> it's just kde's panel
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> probably the one on the bottom yes
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> the one on the top, did it say...  Applications Places System
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ?
[06:41] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: yep
[06:41] <vmlinuz`> i think
[06:41] <ivanbili> ok I checked the liveCD for errors and it has some
[06:41] <vmlinuz`> not sure tho, because I forgot. its not here anymore
[06:41] <ivanbili> maybe that's it
[06:42] <intelikey> in normal kde vmlinuz`  kicker is "the" panel   in custom kde it's  all panels   in hybird kde/gnome  it might be any panel
[06:42] <vmlinuz`> ok my kde is weird
[06:43] <vmlinuz`> alot of things running from different WM's. solution? >_<
[06:43] <intelikey> ivanbili could be    maybe.    the device is the scsi raw access controler     so go from there.
[06:43] <vmlinuz`> then i have a tiny kicker :P
[06:43] <jim__> anyone know why if I make a selection in the Adept Installer my CPU jumps to 100%, using Feisty..
[06:44] <vmlinuz`> can some kde user show me his SS? anyone
[06:44] <contrast83> jim__: not sure, but are you just using Adept because it comes by default, or do you actually prefer it over the GNOME pkg. mgt. apps?
[06:45] <intelikey> you should specify "default" on that vmlinuz`
[06:45] <vmlinuz`> yea
[06:45] <Suicide_Guy2go> ok so grub updated itself and cleared my windows information from menu.lst and im not sure how to get it back
[06:45] <vmlinuz`> mighty please
[06:45] <intelikey> contrast83 are you assuming he has gnome ?    or have you talked eariler ?
[06:46] <contrast83> intelikey: neither, why?
[06:46] <jim__> contrast83: just using it cuz I just loaded Feisty now after removing FC6
[06:46] <intelikey> contrast83 cause gnome pkg. mgt.   is not avalable to him  unless he has added it,   and added it how ?   in adept maybe....
[06:47] <jim__> don't think I have Gnome yet?
[06:47] <contrast83> intelikey: umm... re-read my original question. :-)
[06:48] <intelikey> jim__ yeah that's what i was trying to explain to contrast83.     but as to your Q   how long does the spike last ?
[06:48] <contrast83> jim__: no, you don't. i was just suggesting you use the GNOME suite of pkg. mgt. programs instead of Adept, as most users that have used both find the GNOME ones better (from my experience at least)
[06:48] <intelikey> jim__ spiking cpu on package management is normal.   but it shouldn't last long.
[06:49] <contrast83> ermm... you don't need GNOME to use Synaptic, etc. $ sudo apt-get autoremove --purge adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater && sudo apt-get install synaptic gnome-app-install
[06:49] <jim__> ya but every time I click a box beside the package name?? It lasts about 10 secs.
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude for the win
[06:50] <intelikey> jim__ that does seem a little long.   2 maybe.  but 10...   hmmm
[06:50] <jim__> ya, it's painful because I'm locked up every time I click the box.
[06:51] <intelikey> sounds like a bug.
[06:51] <intelikey> !bug
[06:51] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:52] <jim__> ok thanks I'll file something and try to use something else for now.
[06:52] <intelikey> possable that a repo in the sources.list is not accessable.  that "might" cause that,  but it should not.
[06:52] <intelikey> jim__ apt-get works.
[06:53] <jim__> I would expect that the program only goes to the Repo after I've selected all the packages I want to download, not every time I select a program?
[06:54] <jim__> intellikey: Thanks, what I thought was nice about adept is it showed we what was available . Stuff I never knew about : )
[06:55] <intelikey> checking deps "can" intail checking that a resource is avalable,   i.e. if you have a cdrom source it may check the "empty" drive
[06:55] <intelikey> one test for that would be drop a disk in the tray and see if that changes anything
[06:56] <jim__> intellikey: good point, maybe I'll try with the install CD in the machine
[06:56] <intelikey> jim__ yes.  all the gui apps for dpkg do that.   "even aptitude, if you can call ncurses a gui"
[06:57] <eljefe> i installed linuxmce a while back on my kubuntu7.04, but it took my KDE window manager away.  does anyone know how to get that back?  i don't really like this metacity or compiz or whatever it is...
[06:57] <intelikey> well actually one could even do   apt-cache search '.*' | less      and even apt will show what is avalable...  heh but it would take a month to read it all
[06:58] <intelikey> eljefe at the graphic login  choose the session  ???
[06:58] <eljefe> nope just kde and fluxbox there
[06:59] <Arkard> Hi to all here
[06:59] <eljefe> and i cannot find anything in the kcontrol (system settings)
[07:00] <Arkard> eljefe: do you speak spanish?
[07:00] <intelikey> k  then i'll have to say, off hand i don't know.  but you can probably find it by looking at the process table while the gui is running and then grep'ing for the actual process that is your desktop
[07:00] <eljefe> yes but not natively
[07:02] <intelikey> i.e.   if  metacity     grep -hiRe metacity ./ /etc/
[07:02] <jim__> intellikey: after putting CD in the 100% cpu is down to 2 secs. from 10 so a huge improvement. Thanks You. Surprised I didn't get a warning of some kind. Maybe if I start in a terminal window..
[07:03] <intelikey> jim__ yes terminal kickoff for any trubble shooting  then you get to view errors in real time
[07:03] <intelikey> and yes 2sec or less is normal.
[07:04] <intelikey> whether you realize it or not there is a lot to parse to make sure all the dependancies are met.
[07:04] <chotchki> hey guys, i just updated my gusty install for amd64... and kdeinit and kdm are all kinds of broken
[07:04] <chotchki> anyone else seeing this issue?
[07:04] <chotchki> i get some kind of core bus error
[07:04] <intelikey> !gutsy
[07:04] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:05] <chotchki> intelikey: gotcha
[07:07] <Arkard> people, im having problems with a server FTP
[07:07] <Arkard> i dont want to copy all my music directori in /home/ftp
[07:07] <jim__> intellikey: I wonder why the program wouldn't check dependencies etc. after I've gone through and selected the  programs I want. Then I can just walk away and let it install instead of having to experience that delay every click?
[07:07] <Arkard> is there any way to vinculate it?
[07:08] <intelikey> jim__ because if you add anything and it will require other things it wants to let you know     does it not ask about the deps as you go ?
[07:09] <intelikey> or if you click to remove blah and kde-core depends on blah   then wouldn't you want to know that removing blah will wipe out your kde ?
[07:10] <jim__> intellikey: No doen't say a peep  just keeps me waiting till I see an x in each box beside the program name after I click it
[07:11] <intelikey> heh  or  mdk-package for that matter....    lol
[07:11] <intelikey> drake-package-manager  i mean.
[07:11] <jim__> intelikey: ya , think I'll try that from now on. Thanks for all your help.
[07:11] <intelikey> which isn't in ubuntu at all.
[07:12] <intelikey> jim__ at any rate.   use what works for you.
[07:13] <jim__> intelikey: ya good advice. Thanks again : )
[07:13] <intelikey> np
[07:15] <intelikey> !dpkg
[07:15] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[07:15] <intelikey> !adept
[07:15] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:15] <intelikey> !synaptic
[07:15] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:16] <intelikey> !aptitude
[07:16] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:16] <intelikey> Q.   what do linux users do ?
[07:16] <intelikey> A.   they install software.
[07:17] <reldruh> I just installed Ubuntu server edition on my laptop and now I need to configure the network. I didn't do this step during the install because I didn't have a connection available. Is there a way to rerun that step of the install now?
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> there will peobably be a few hurdles in your way, but it should be possible
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know how, though :D
[07:19] <intelikey> ubiquity  is the installer.   as to that step.   probably.   i personally quite dislike ubiquity.
[07:19] <reldruh> thanks for the word of encouragement :-)
[07:19] <reldruh> I don't necessarily need that exact step, just some way to do autoconfiguration of the network now that I have a connection available
[07:19] <reldruh> I use ifconfig to put my interface up and it goes up, but it doesn't connect to anythin
[07:19] <reldruh> g
[07:19] <reldruh> I think it's not using dhcp from my router like it should
[07:20] <reldruh> intelikey: the gratitude was for Daisuke_Ido who said it was probably possible but he didn't know how :-)
[07:20] <intelikey> oh   would have made good sarcasm if aimed at me... :)
[07:21] <reldruh> I'd rather be sarcastic  after my problem is solved. No telling how somebody might take it :-)
[07:22] <intelikey> wish i could help you with that.  but i'm still network illiterate.
[07:23] <Jucato> ubiquity wouldn't be on the ubuntu server installer would it?
[07:23] <intelikey> if you wanted to just setup a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces   i might be able to go that far,   but
[07:23] <intelikey> Jucato ummm is that server install ?
[07:23] <intelikey> oh it is.....
[07:23] <Jucato> it's the separate Ubuntu Server Edition
[07:23] <intelikey> ooops
[07:24] <Jucato> no GUI
[07:24] <intelikey> right.
[07:24] <intelikey> so what was the textmode installer called ?
[07:24] <Jucato> there seems to be an #ubuntu-server channel but the question is too general for that channel
[07:24] <reldruh> using ifconfig I can get this laptop to see the local network
[07:24] <reldruh> but nothing outside of it
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: Alternate Install CD
[07:25] <reldruh> ah well. Thanks anyway
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato no the installer.
[07:25] <Jucato> debian-installer
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato ie   if not ubiquity then ???
[07:25] <Jucato> there's no special name for it
[07:25] <Jucato> ^^^^^^
[07:25] <intelikey> k
[07:25] <intelikey> twin typing time you know.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: debian-installer is
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ah, you got it
[07:26] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:27] <intelikey> yes then.   i like the "debian-installer"  much better than "ubiquity"   and it is possable to run only that one step.   @ reldruh
[07:28] <reldruh> what I just tried is adding an entry in /etc/networking/interfaces 'inet eth0 iface dhcp'
[07:28] <reldruh> I restarted networking and now an IP address gets found automatically, but I still can't connect to anything outside of my local network
[07:28] <intelikey> !info libdebian-installer-extra4
[07:28] <ubotu> libdebian-installer-extra4: Library of some extra debian-installer functions. In component main, is optional. Version 0.47ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[07:30] <intelikey> reldruh did your hostname get set properly?   you aren't running with "i-dont-have-a-name"   for a hostname are you ?
[07:31] <intelikey> oh wait.
[07:31] <intelikey> that's resolv.conf issue.
[07:32] <intelikey> reldruh check your   /etc/reslov.conf file.    and note it's not sticky so just editing it wont fix it permanantly
[07:33] <intelikey> for sticky-ness i think it's /etc/defaults/something-errr-other
[07:36] <bcherry> out of curiosity anyone here run kde4b2 on gutsy?
[07:36] <bcherry> i never did get it working right during my time with gutsy (back to feisty for now)
[07:38] <ardchoille> bcherry: Perhaps join #ubuntu+1 ?
[07:38] <bcherry> thanks ardchoille
[07:39] <ardchoille> yw
[07:41] <intelikey> crap.   i have a ps2 wheel mouse,  and if i click the wheel then i no longer have a right button,   pfft.
[07:42] <ardchoille> trackball > mouse :P
[07:42] <intelikey> in gpm left button copy ritht button paste   but default.  but if i click the wheel then right no paste no mo
[07:43] <intelikey> trackball heh
[07:43] <ardchoille> hilight and middle-click?
[07:43] <ardchoille> intelikey: Does the right button still offer context menu when that happens?
[07:43] <intelikey> ardchoille as in both or as in wheel   middle ?
[07:43] <intelikey> ardchoille console.
[07:44] <intelikey> no it never did offer any menus
[07:44] <ardchoille> as in wheel click pastes the hilighted item
[07:44] <ardchoille> intelikey: In konsole you can specify a paste key combo. I use ctrl+shift+v for paste
[07:45] <intelikey> yeah but i dont' want wheel click to paste,    i want it to stay the way it is when gpm starts.
[07:45] <intelikey> ardchoille konsole != console    konsole = terminal emulator
[07:45] <ardchoille> Oh, that sucks
[07:45] <ardchoille> my mouse doesn't even work in console
[07:46] <ardchoille> You're already ahead of me
[07:46] <intelikey> gpm will make it work.   but   you may have the same issue i have.
[07:48] <intelikey> how do you adjust things in vlc -V svgalibs   without mouse ?    and how to you copy paste from irssi to w3b without a mouse  ???
[07:48] <intelikey> in the console i mean   ^
[07:48] <intelikey> :)))
[07:48] <ardchoille> I use screen for irssi and wget.. screen allows to copy/paste
[07:49] <ardchoille> And I do't use vlc because it doesn't support closed pations. I'm deaf.
[07:49] <intelikey> yeah i know.  i just don't like screen   and i know that there are keys for the vlc Q
[07:49] <intelikey> ardchoille ah.
[07:49] <intelikey> ardchoille didn't know.   sorry to hear that.
[07:50] <ardchoille> Not a problem, I can get a good night sleep when the neighbours are fighting :)
[07:50] <intelikey> no pun inteneded there,  for a change.
[07:50] <intelikey> that works.   as long as they are not in the same room...
[07:50] <ardchoille> I like screen because you can have 30 diff apps open in one console
[07:51] <ardchoille> <-- lazy
[07:52] <intelikey> that's what right alt key is for...    left alt + f1-12   tty 1-12  right alt + f1-12 = tty 13-24
[07:53] <intelikey> but i wrote a script that switches me to any tty   just type the number and you are there.    if it wasn't active, it is now.
[07:54] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39928
[07:55] <ardchoille> Nice :)
[07:55] <chernov> tut est' russkie???
[07:56] <intelikey> looks a little odd having 128 symlinks in ~/bin/  named 1 2 3 4...128  but works well
[07:56] <intelikey> errr 127 actually
[07:56] <intelikey> !ru
[07:56] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:57] <chernov> intelikey: ty otkuda?
[07:57] <intelikey> no i can't speak it.
[07:58] <intelikey> sorry
[07:58] <chernov> ((
[07:59] <jfry> Just updated to kubuntu 7.10 beta... all went well (sorta) except I cant get past the acpid udate, "invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed."   Anyone have an idea that will allow me to finish up (acpid, acpi-support, powermanagement-interface, and kubuntu-desktop are not installed).
[08:00] <ardchoille> jfry: You need to be in #ubuntu+1 for gutsy help
[08:00] <jfry> thanks
[08:00] <ardchoille> yw
[08:00] <intelikey> jfry a simple hack is to edit the acpid script and add exit 0 to the second line
[08:01] <intelikey> finish up and restore it.
[08:01] <jfry> intelikey: I'll try that, thanks
[08:03] <intelikey> not the least of which is that all systems have /bin/sh = /bin/bash   that has broken many installs
[08:03] <jfry> intelikey: worked like a charm!... wish I would have thought of that!
[08:04] <intelikey> jfry next time you will
[08:04] <intelikey> :)
[08:05] <jfry> thanks again!  Off go bed!
[08:05] <ardchoille> jfry: Write this stuff down, then you can write yourself a script to make things easier if you ever have to reinstall.
[08:05] <intelikey> imo bash should not even be marked as "required"   it's no longer fully posix compliant
[08:06] <intelikey> jfry heh  or you can write a tut  on ubuntu hacks that are needed just to maintain sanity   lol
[08:06] <ardchoille> I have a sfript that does update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, install app, tweak apps/themes, clean, and reboot (all while I go have lunch). When I return, the system is ready for me to use.
[08:06] <jfry> ardchoille: good idea, except I don't suspect I will ever upgrade from 7.06 to 7.10 again... I'd just install direct on a diff machine
[08:06] <ardchoille> jfry: Scripts can work on simple reinstalls too
[08:07] <intelikey> jfry i have never used 7.*  that hack comes for previous versions    thus signfying that you will probably need it again
[08:07] <jfry> ardchoille: I know... but this was an upgrade related issue, I'd imagine that I wouldn't see it on a fresh install.
[08:07] <sstchur> I'm trying to build network-manager from source, but when I run ./configure, I get "Package requirements (hal >= 0.5.0) were not met, but I do in fact have hal (I believe > 0.5.0).  Can anyone help?
[08:08] <intelikey> jfry     ^    it was an "install" issue.   any package could do you that way on any install.
[08:08] <ardchoille> sstchur: If you updated on Feisty hal should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:09] <jfry> sstchur: did you build-dep before trying to build the source... solves a lot of issues
[08:09] <sstchur> ardchoille: yes, I am running Feisty
[08:09] <sstchur> jfry: no, I'm not really experienced at building from source... what is build-dep?
[08:09] <jfry> apt-get build-dep network-manger
[08:10] <intelikey> !b-e
[08:10] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:10] <jfry> this will locate and install any dependancies required for building package manger
[08:10] <jfry> er network-manger
[08:10] <sstchur> jfry: oh ok... do I need to build networkmanager from source to get the latest?  I know I can run apt-get install networkmanager, but I'm having problems with it, and thought perhaps I needed a later version whcih I cannot get with apt-get ?
[08:12] <ardchoille> sstchur: open a term and run:  apt-cache policy network-manager
[08:12] <ardchoille> See if it's already installed
[08:13] <ardchoille> I have a feeling it is
[08:14] <sstchur> ardchoille: says, Installed 0.6.4-ubuntu7 (among other things)
[08:14] <ardchoille> sstchur: Yes, network-manager is already installed. Is that what you're trying to compile?
[08:16] <ardchoille> sstchur: And unless you really need the latest for a specific reason, I would suggest sticking to what is already installed
[08:16] <sstchur> ardchoille: yeah, well, occasionally my wifi will disconnect and I won't be able to reconnect without resetting my router, which is really annoying -- it just stop at like 28% and keeps prompting for my wpa key.  I read somewhere that it was fixed in the latest versions of network-manager, so I thought I'd try to build from source
[08:16] <ardchoille> Ah, ok, well there is a tutorial that may help
[08:16] <ardchoille> !wireless | sstchur
[08:16] <ubotu> sstchur: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:18] <sstchur> ardchoille: looking now... does it have anything specific to my problem?  B/c it works 90% of the time.  It's just that after long periods of inactivity it will drop the connection and /never/ seem to pick it back up
[08:19] <ardchoille> sstchur: IMHO, it's worth looking over a tutorial if it has the chance of helping solve a problem. It may keep you from compiling.. worth a look.
[08:19] <ardchoille> I don't use wireless, but I can't count the number of times tutorials have kept me from unnecessary work.
[08:20] <sstchur> k
[08:20] <jfry> sstchur: I'm not sure what router you are using... but I have solved most of my problems like that by updating the firmware on my routers... or replacing it all together on my WRT routers.
[08:21] <jfry> sstchur: you might also be able to get a newer version by enabling the backports repositories
[08:21] <sstchur> jfry: actually I thought my problem was my router (an older netgear).  I actually went out and bought a new Buffalo router, but I still have the same issue occasionally
[08:22] <jfry> If the new Buffalo is supported by DD-WRT... I highly recommend replacing the firmware
[08:22] <sstchur> jfry: I just find it so strange... why would it work for hours and hours and then all of the sudden disconnect, and then after disconnecting, /refuse/ to reconnect until I reset my router (I can still see my ESSID and everything; it just wont connect)
[08:22] <sstchur> jfry: what is DD_WRT?
[08:23] <jfry> sstchur: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices
[08:23] <zc_> login
[08:23] <jfry> sstchur: it's an open source firmware for WRT based (and a few other) routers.
[08:24] <jfry> sstchur: it opens up a lot of options that the manufacturer doesn't allow... for example I use a couple of routers to bridge my lan to a neighbors house
[08:24] <sstchur> oh, interesting... so it's a firmware upgrade that doesn't come from the manufacturer?
[08:25] <jfry> sstchur: exactly... and it's all linux based... but has a handy web management console... the project started because the original linksys wrt routers were linux based and thus were easily modified
[08:27] <sstchur> jfry: so I think my router is supported... how would I go about upgrading the firmware?  I dont' see any firmware upgrade to actually download?
[08:28] <jfry> sstchur: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Installation
[08:29] <jfry> it will walk you through it... just make sure you pay attention to any notes in the compatibility list I sent you... on some routers you must use the tftp method, or install the mini or micro version the first time.
[08:29] <sstchur> ok, thanks
[08:29] <jfry> sstchur: keep in mind that it is possible to "brick" your router... though I have only ever done that once and was able to recover it using guides on that site.
[08:31] <zc_> hello, can anyone help me on playing real media files on a 64 bit Kubuntu?
[08:32] <jfry> sstchur: I belive that most/all buffalo routers must use the tftp method... it's not hard though.
[08:32] <ksivaji> zc_ real medai files
[08:32] <GuHHH> hy my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.
[08:32] <zc_> ksivaji, like rm rmvb
[08:32] <jfry> sstchur: good luck, and welcome to the world of embedded device hacking!... I'm off to bed, I hope all goes well for you!
[08:33] <ksivaji> zc_ sorry no idea
[08:35] <zc_> hello, can anyone help me on playing real media files on a 64 bit Kubuntu?
[08:36] <GuHHH> why my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.
[08:37] <zc_> GuHHH mount as a root?
[08:39] <GuHHH> zc_ i did
[08:40] <ninHer> hi all
[08:43] <crazy_bus> I've got a geforce2mx.  And while it works with the default binary drivers in edgy in doesn't work with either the drivers installed by the script envy, or the restricted driver manager in feisty.  It just loads to a half loginscreen, half nvidia logo and freezes when installed by those methods.  How do I fix this?
[08:45] <gokimhock_> halo indonesia
[08:46] <ninHer> g'day from spain
[08:46] <gokimhock_> gila tuh windows
[08:47] <gokimhock_> spain? hai.... nin
[08:48] <ksivaji> http://pastebin.com/m3866caa6 please help me run this script
[08:50] <stdin> ksivaji: try http://pastebin.com/d58ecc465
[08:50] <stdin> ksivaji: line 7 is the only change
[08:50] <ksivaji> stdin ok
[08:51] <stdin> ksivaji: oops, actually http://pastebin.com/de3bf2  (removed the '$' from the start too)
[08:52] <stdin> ksivaji: hold on, still more to do
[08:52] <ksivaji> stdin ok
[08:54] <stdin> ksivaji: there you go http://pastebin.com/dc0615af
[08:55] <stdin> ksivaji: remember, if you're setting a variable you don't put the '$'  in it
[08:56] <ksivaji> stdin ho ok
[08:57] <ksivaji> stdin it works
[08:57] <stdin> of course, I made it :p
[08:59] <ksivaji> stdin do you thing it is better to learn python
[08:59] <stdin> ksivaji: for something like that, no
[09:00] <ksivaji> stdin you mean learning python is not useful
[09:00] <stdin> python is good when you need to preform some complex tasks without writing a C app
[09:00] <stdin> for simple tasks, python is overkill
[09:00] <ksivaji> ho
[09:01] <stdin> think about it, with python the code is actually compiled on the system just before it's run
[09:01] <stdin> this can make a lot of overhead for small tasks
[09:02] <stdin> (but is good for some other things)
[09:02] <ksivaji> stdin ya i compard execution time of python and c
[09:03] <zc_> anyone know how to install RealPlayer in a 64 bit kubuntu?
[09:06] <stdin> zc_: I think you'd have to install the 32bit version, there is no 64bit RealPlayer
[09:07] <stdin> zc_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins#head-7bbe352556dad78637cfaa3dfc97a52313c4d8d8
 hi,stdin, do you know where the codecs which i can used directly onto Mplayer or Xine?
[09:09] <deviance> Whats the command to unbmount a devices? Its trying to copy files.
[09:09] <deviance> Oh its done
[09:09] <deviance> :D
[09:11] <ardchoille> zc_: Do you mean w32codecs? libxine1-ffmpeg?
[09:11] <stdin> zc_: for the windows codecs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64#head-54b678e0bfe810c13d7557a619007c42c97f67a7
[09:12] <zc_> stdin, thanks i will try the 64codecs,32bit codecs no good
[09:13] <zc_> ardchoille, i tried the w32codecs, but i doesnt seem to work properly
[09:16] <ardchoille> zc_: What kind of file are you trying to open?
[09:18] <zc_> ardchoille, rm and rmvb on a b4 bit Kubuntu
[09:19] <emilsedgh> zc_: cant kaffeine play it?
[09:19] <zc_> ardchoille, when i played with Xine it says "Real Video 4.0 handle missing"
[09:19] <VSpike> Does anyone else find that when they try to open the BBC Radio Player at www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 the realplayer plugin pretty much hangs their browser?
[09:20] <zc_> emilsedgh, nope doesnt play
[09:21] <Jucato> VSpike: it doesn't hang but the audio is choppy...
[09:22] <VSpike> Jucato: I find various problems - choppy audio, unresponsive browser.. if I try "listen in standalone player", I get no audio
[09:23] <VSpike> Jucato: doesn't help that helix player uses OSS and seems to use the wrong sound devices on my machine
[09:23] <Jucato> I see. I don't have real/helix installed and didn't try the listen in standalone. sorry
[09:25] <VSpike> Jucato: what's doing the playing for you?
[09:25] <Jucato> don't really know
[09:25] <VSpike> Jucato: :)
[09:29] <zc_> stdin, you are the best, it works
[09:29] <Jucato> he isn't... but he sure is one of the best )
[09:29] <Jucato> :)
[09:29] <stdin> :)
[09:29] <zc_> i never know before there were win64codecs
[09:29] <Jucato> :)
[09:29] <Jucato> neither did I
[09:30] <Jucato> so imagine my surprise reading that the first time after waking up
[09:30] <Jucato> it was really... disturbing... :)
[09:30] <VSpike> dunno why the bbc have to use stupid realmedia format anyway
[09:30] <stdin> I scour the interblogospheres for those little tid-bits of info
[09:30] <VSpike> mutter mutter public server broadcaster mutter mutter
[09:31] <VSpike> bad enough that they are selling their soul to windows media for their new player
[09:31] <stdin> VSpike: try complaining to them (he says knowing all it'll get you is "Thanks for you commend, now pay your license like a good little shlob")
[09:32] <stdin> s/commend/comment/
[09:36] <peter_> can anyone help me with a webcam issue....i'm on ubuntu:)
[09:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> heys guys i have problem lol
[09:36] <stdin> you can get Ubuntu help in #ubuntu
[09:37] <peter_> thanks :)
[09:37] <SETKEH-NRNS> i downloaded kubuntu from the site and burned it to bootable cd (no dvds on hand) all good and sweet rebbot my pc it gets to configuring network interface and stays the and not move fot 20 mins
[09:38] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol i dunno what i did wrong but a few distros do it on my pc O_o
[09:40] <SETKEH-NRNS> stdin any ideas mate ??
[09:41] <stdin> I haven't used a LiveCD in a while, so I can't really say
[09:41] <SETKEH-NRNS> stdin no worrys thanks mate
[09:41] <stdin> if you just want to install, try the alternate CD
[09:41] <SETKEH-NRNS> ill just wait for a bit see who joins and ask again :D
[09:41] <stdin> always works for me
[09:42] <ardchoille> SETKEH-NRNS: Is it an older computer?
[09:42] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol mine freezes and it suck because as far a i know kubuntu dapper (the new one to dapper) is the only one that has the broadcom drivers preinstalled lol
[09:42] <SETKEH-NRNS> ardchoille i paid 4500 aud for it lol it wont wanna be old lol
[09:43] <SETKEH-NRNS> it about 3 months old lol
[09:43] <ardchoille> SETKEH-NRNS: Yeah, that happened with me. I did some research and found that something changed in the kernel and it no longer recognised my NIC
[09:44] <SETKEH-NRNS> ardchoille i have pclinuxos installed at the moment but i cant find the nvidia nic driver i need in the .inf format lol
[09:46] <ardchoille> SETKEH-NRNS: NIC = Network Interface Card
[09:47] <SETKEH-NRNS> ardchoille i know mate i have a wireless one and and ethernet one and i need the drivers in the .inf format for the wireless one
[09:48] <ksivaji> http://pastebin.com/m4edc25b3 please help me i got this error when i am tring to install prozilla a download manager
[09:48] <ardchoille> !wireless | SETKEH-NRNS
[09:48] <ubotu> SETKEH-NRNS: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:49] <SETKEH-NRNS> i think i have read it but i will try agaion lol
[09:50] <ardchoille> ksivaji: You don't run "make" with sudo.. sudo is only needed for "make install"
[09:51] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol it doesent have the broadcom 802.11a drivers lol
[09:51] <ardchoille> ksivaji: I don't that that is the reason for the error, just letting you know for future
[09:51] <ksivaji> ardchoille ok
[09:52] <ksivaji> ardchoille how to solve this
[09:52] <ardchoille> ksivaji: No idea, I use kget as my download manager
[09:52] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/package/prozilla/prozilla-2.0.4$ kget
[09:52] <ksivaji> bash: kget: command not found
[09:52] <stdin> ksivaji: you know prozilla is a command line download manager?
[09:52] <ksivaji> stdin yes
[09:53] <ardchoille> !info kget
[09:53] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1192 kB
[09:53] <stdin> ksivaji: there is prozgui too
[09:53] <ksivaji> stdin i alread have version <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:53] <ksivaji> stdin but its not good
[09:54] <stdin> ksivaji: of prozilla or prozgui? I have 2.0.4 of prozilla and 2.0.5 of prozgui in my PPA and
[09:54] <stdin> * and I could upload a feisty version
[09:55] <ksivaji> stdin not good in the sence i dont like that windows look and style
[09:55] <SETKEH-NRNS> i got feisty lol
[09:55] <stdin> ksivaji: well, give it a while and I could put prozilla 2.0.4 in an apt archive for you (if you want)
[09:56] <ksivaji> stdin please do it
[09:56] <ardchoille> stdin: You're cool :)
[09:57] <VSpike> stdin: probably true (re: BBC)
[09:57] <ksivaji> stdin ok its time for lunch brb
[09:57] <SETKEH-NRNS> how am i suposet to use wget to get the stuff i need for my wirless driver if i cant use my wireless nic to get on the internet lol
[09:58] <VSpike> can anyone tell me how I can control which programs firefox and thunderbird use to open files in KDE?  e.g. Evince instead of kpdf, totem instead of kaffeine, etc.
[09:58] <stdin> ksivaji: it should be there soon, "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu/ feisty universe" is the repo you'll need
[09:59] <ardchoille> VSpike: Edit > Preferences, go to the Content tab and see the File Types section ?
[09:59] <ardchoille> VSpike: Never mind, I don't think that's it.
[10:00] <ardchoille> VSpike: Maybe change the file association in kde. I think firefox is just handing it off to kde and kde is opening it according to file association
[10:00] <VSpike> ardchoille: yeah, I thought that too, but that only seems to relate to plugins like flash and so on
[10:00] <VSpike> ardchoille: I think the problem is that firefox and tbird seem to use different defaults to everything kde
[10:01] <Jucato> VSpike: about:config probably?
[10:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Wouldn't it be a kde file assoc thing?
[10:02] <VSpike> Heh.. just googled for "sample pdf" to test what konqueror did with a pdf file.  http://illiad.evms.edu/sample.pdf  ... Oh no I dont :)
[10:02] <Jucato> "can anyone tell me how I can control which programs firefox and thunderbird use to open files in KDE? "
[10:02] <VSpike> ardchoille: tbird and firefox seem to use GNOME defaults, not KDE ones
[10:02] <Jucato> unless he wants to change KDE defaults too
[10:02] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, but isn't firefox just handing the file off to kde and kde is opening it via the file assoc?
[10:02] <sredna> will kde 3.5.8 make it into the gutsy release?
[10:02] <ardchoille> VSpike: Oh, ok
[10:03] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes, but unless he wants to change the settings for all of KDE, Firefox and Thunderbird have their own settings for default apps afaik
[10:03] <VSpike> Jucato: I'm happy with the KDE defaults, I just want ffox and tbird to use them, or at least duplicate them
[10:03] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok
[10:03] <Jucato> tell that do ardchoille :)
[10:03] <ardchoille> hehe
[10:04] <VSpike> I don't think it's in about:config
[10:05] <VSpike> It would be interesting I guess to boot into gnome and change the default handlers and see if firefox changes.  then boot back into kde and see if the changes stick
[10:06] <ardchoille> VSpike: I don't have gnome installed and firefox respects kde file associations.. maybe that's it
[10:06] <VSpike> ardchoille: could be
[10:07] <Jucato> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE#PDF:_KPDF
[10:09] <VSpike> It's just one of the fun things about my desktop - never quite knowing what program is going to open when you click on something :)
[10:09] <ardchoille> VSpike: hehe
[10:09] <Jucato> mine is all KDE.. so it's all consistent  and controllable :)
[10:10] <ardchoille> same
[10:10] <waylandbill> firefox prints faulty on my system, but konqueror does beautifully.
[10:11] <VSpike> Jucato: good articles, thanks... looks like /etc/mailcap is the key
[10:12] <Jucato> just a quick google so I couldn't really check the quality
[10:12] <VSpike> certainly if I look in mine, I can see a lot of the apps which come up from firefox
[10:14] <VSpike> like, if I do "grep x-bzip /etc/mailcap" I see both ark and file-roller, and it's the latter which comes up I think
[10:14] <VSpike> It's a real pain, because after file-roller unpacks the archive, it opens a nautlius window to show the files.  That gets really confusing
[10:15] <stdin> anything that starts with a 'K'
[10:15] <VSpike> kippers
[10:15] <VSpike> I still dunno if I prefer kde to gnome.  gnome just crashes on my system so I've never had a chance to give it a fair go
[10:15] <stdin> ketchup
[10:16] <VSpike> kelis
[10:16] <stdin> the best K of all... Kubuntu :)
[10:17] <VSpike> can someone with pure kde try that grep line for me and tell me what you get?
[10:17] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:17] <VSpike> The worst thing about kde is kicker, i reckon
[10:17] <Jucato> VSpike: which one?
[10:18] <VSpike> grep x-bzip /etc/mailcap
[10:18] <stdin> application/x-bzip;     ark -caption "Archiver" '%s';   nametemplate=%s.bz;     test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""
[10:18] <ksivaji> stdin prozilla removes my linux hearder
[10:18] <Jucato> application/x-bzip;     ark -caption "Archiver" '%s';   nametemplate=%s.bz;     test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""
[10:18] <stdin> ksivaji: huh?
[10:18] <ksivaji> wait
[10:19] <ksivaji> stdin http://pastebin.com/m5655d534
[10:19] <ksivaji> Jucato :
[10:19] <ksivaji> hi
[10:19] <sbucat> hiiiiii
[10:19] <VSpike> I dont get it though - you'd kind of expect firefox to show all the alternative handlers listed in /etc/mailcap for any given type, but it doesn't
[10:19] <Jucato> um... hi! :)
[10:19] <waylandbill> gnome is a perfectly good DE. It just has a different idealogy with different programming interfaces and different methods of accomplishing a task.
[10:20] <Jucato> waylandbill: that's why I never said anything against GNOME :)
[10:20] <ksivaji> waylandbill it think you havent seen KDE before
[10:20] <ksivaji> i*
[10:20] <Jucato> ksivaji: just focus on your problem please? thanks
[10:21] <ksivaji> Jucato ok
[10:21] <stdin> ksivaji: humf. well first, that's the gutsy package. 2nd I need to fix those dependencies  :p
[10:21] <waylandbill> hmm. haven't seen kde before what period in time? :)
[10:22] <Jucato> waylandbill: enough already. don't fan the flame :P
[10:22] <ksivaji> lol
[10:23] <waylandbill> did the updgrade to gusty. other than ndiswrapper not modprobing at startup, it went without a hitch.
[10:25] <waylandbill> now I can look forward to 79 - 100 MB updates every week. lol.
[10:25] <SETKEH-NRNS> http://setkeh.bravehost.com/linux.htm for info on the teamspeak server i run for linux
[10:25] <stdin> ksivaji: give it about an hour (launchpads queue takes a while) and it should magically appear in the repo
[10:25] <Jucato> my upgrade crashed with gs-esp, then had to retry about twice
[10:26] <ksivaji> stdin ok
[10:26] <mefisto__> is it possible to set the firefox "back" keyboard shortcut to the backspace key rather than alt+left-arrow?
[10:26] <stdin> ksivaji: I built it because development of it seems to be dead, but it's one of the only downloader apps that work
[10:27] <waylandbill> mefisto__: then how does one fix a mistake on a form without bs?
[10:27] <ksivaji> ho
[10:29] <Jucato> mefisto__: for Konqueror?
[10:29] <mefisto__> waylandbill: if focus is in a form field, it should just treat key presses as "type this"
[10:29] <Jucato> waylandbill: Konqueror can distinguish which has focus
[10:29] <Jucato> mefisto__: Settings -> Configure Konqueor -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[10:29] <mefisto__> Jucato: so it can't be done for firefox?
[10:30] <Jucato> mefisto__: Firefox? isn't that the default already?
[10:30] <mefisto__> Jucato: it should be, but on kubuntu it's always been alt+left-arrow for me
[10:30] <VSpike> has anyone tried using kgtk in kubuntu? sounds interesting
[10:31] <stdin> is that the same as gtk-qt-engine ?
[10:31] <VSpike> stdin: nope. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077
[10:32] <stdin> oh right, I've been meaning to try that out
[10:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> jeez thoes debian mob are a pack of wankers lol
[10:36] <stdin> !language
[10:36] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:36] <stdin> but true
[10:36] <VSpike> hehe
[10:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> sorry mate
[10:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> i had to get that out
[10:37] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol
[10:37] <sbucat> :D
[10:37] <VSpike> i once had a dpkg question that no-one in #ubuntu or #kubuntu could answer, so i went #debian and asked it.  to be fair, they did know the answer, but once they found out I was using ubuntu I got rapidly ejected with a torrent of abuse :)
[10:38] <mefisto__> for anyone interested in firefox on linux backspace/back action, see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action
[10:38] <SETKEH-NRNS> i posted that teamspeak link to them a got flamed for self promotion and a crap website lol
[10:39] <ksivaji> how to set opera as my default browser
[10:39] <stdin> just so you know, the operators or #debian do not reflect the debian developers or general debian community (disclaimer)
[10:39] <SETKEH-NRNS> so obviously its not wanted and i deleted the teamspeak server unless you guys would like one for your selfs
[10:39] <tobias_> ksivaji: K-Menu, System, Standard Programs
[10:40] <SETKEH-NRNS> stdin thanks for the heads up mate not really offended i have had much worse done to me and i have seen allot better and alot crapper websites than my owne lol
[10:40] <mefisto__> tobias_: standard programs? on which version of kubuntu?
[10:40] <stdin> ksivaji: KMenu > system settings > default applications
[10:41] <tobias_> mefisto__: feisty ?
[10:41] <mefisto__> tobias_: doesn't exist on mine
[10:41] <ksivaji> stdin ya i got
[10:41] <stdin> you need to enable the menu, it puts kcontrol entries in kmenu
[10:41] <tobias_> well standard programs is the same as default applications
[10:41] <tobias_> sorry >.<
[10:42] <mefisto__> np tobias_, just thought I had a missing menu entry
[10:42] <SETKEH-NRNS> any one want to write a reveiw on kubuntu for me before i write mine for my site ???
[10:42] <tobias_> mefisto__: =) no problem
[10:45] <ksivaji> how to enable root login
[10:46] <stdin> why do you want to?
[10:46] <VSpike> hmm doesn't work for me
[10:46] <VSpike> ah well
[10:47] <ksivaji> stdin i think its better to know
[10:48] <stdin> why? it's not a good idea to login (GUI) as root
[10:48] <stdin> that's why it's disabled
[10:48] <mefisto__> ksivaji: you know about sudo and kdesu, don't you?
[10:48] <ksivaji> mefisto__ ya i know kdesu
[10:50] <kristjan_> for new "secondary groups" of user to take effect I must log out and back in?
[10:50] <stdin> yep
[10:50] <ksivaji> stdin mefisto__  we have two system here  one is kubuntu (mine) and other one xp (my bro) they are connected via switch  is it possible to browser  c: , d: of my bro system from kubuntu
[10:51] <stdin> if he shares them via windows file sharing
[10:52] <tobias_> doesnt he need Samba installed first ?
[10:52] <stdin> windows doesn't have samba
[10:53] <ksivaji> is there anything like samba for windows
[10:53] <tobias_> I know <.<
[10:53] <VSpike> that should probably go in the topic :)
[10:53] <tobias_> I mean he wants to browse the Xp System from his Kubuntu System
[10:53] <stdin> samba is for everything else, it's used to work with windows file sharing
[10:53] <VSpike> ksivaji: samba is an opensource implementation of built in windows networking protocols
[10:53] <stdin> tobias_: the samba client is pre-installed
[10:54] <VSpike> in kde you should just be able to put samba: into konq, I think
[10:54] <tobias_> oh... okay.. that's weird because I installed it manually
[10:54] <stdin> smb:/
[10:54] <tobias_> but okay - thats what I am talking about, I am not that confused ..
[10:54] <VSpike> smb:/
[10:54] <VSpike> yeah thanks stdin
[10:55] <tobias_> you might also type: "\\PCNAME" then he ads the smb automatically
[10:55] <tobias_> adds
[10:55] <ksivaji> stdin important thing file sharing should be  allowed with in LAN not across Internet
[10:55] <kristjan_> how much ram did ubuntu need for desktop install? 360?
[10:55] <VSpike> ksivaji: do you have a nat router?
[10:55] <stdin> ksivaji: I don't use the insecure windows file sharing anyway, so I don't care :p
[10:56] <ksivaji> VSpike i have switch here
[10:57] <VSpike> ksivaji: what is your internet connection?
[10:57] <stdin> kristjan_: I think the recommended amount for the Live install is 512MB
[10:58] <ksivaji> VSpike broadband 128Kbps
[10:58] <VSpike> ksivaji: adsl?
[10:59] <ksivaji> i am not sure VSpike
[11:00] <VSpike> Do you have a box plugged into the wall somewhere?  Does it connect to the phone line?
[11:00] <VSpike> ksivaji: ^
[11:00] <ksivaji> VSpike yes yes
[11:01] <ksivaji> VSpike are you there
[11:03] <VSpike> ksivaji: if you start a terminal and do "tracepath www.google.com", then what are the first two lines?
[11:04] <VSpike> ksivaji: ok, you have a nat router. you should be pretty safe
[11:05] <ksivaji> VSpike no i have switch
[11:05] <ksivaji> VSpike i know its switch i bought it
[11:06] <VSpike> to be sure, make sure that on the windows box, all the accounts have a secure password, the guest account is disabled, and that you edit the permissions on the shares on the windows box to only allow specific users
[11:06] <VSpike> ksivaji: ^
[11:06] <Jucato> waylandbill: ping
[11:06] <VSpike> ksivaji: to make your life easier, create an account on the XP box with the same username as your kubuntu account
[11:06] <VSpike> ksivaji: what is the switch connected to... the broadband box?
[11:07] <ksivaji> VSpike Fast ethernet switch 100Mb/s
[11:07] <ksivaji> 8bit port
[11:08] <ksivaji> this is what i know dont mistake me
[11:11] <ksivaji> VSpike are you there
[11:11] <VSpike> ksivaji: the switch is connected to the two computers, but it must also be connected to something else
[11:11] <ksivaji> VSpike yes it is connected to modem
[11:12] <VSpike> using ethernet cable?
[11:12] <ksivaji> yes
[11:12] <VSpike> ksivaji: then that other box is not a modem, it's a nat router
[11:13] <VSpike> ksivaji: does it have any make or model number on it?
[11:13] <ksivaji> yes beetel 220X
[11:22] <ksivaji> VSpike ^
[11:22] <ksivaji> just installing file sharing server will allow me to login or i need to do something else
[11:22] <ksivaji> VSpike:
[11:28] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: all you have to do is enable file sharing in xp.
[11:28] <VSpike> ksivaji: you just need to right-click the folder in windows and go to "sharing and security"
[11:29] <ksivaji> ScorpKing ho ok
[11:29] <ksivaji> VSpike thanks a lot
[11:29] <ksivaji> ScorpKing thanks
[11:29] <ScorpKing> np
[11:29] <ksivaji> ok its time for me to leave bye
[11:29] <ScorpKing> bye
[11:36] <lordofthepigs> hello, my company has just installed an 802.1x authentication on its wired network, and I need to configure xsupplicant to work with it
[11:36] <lordofthepigs> I have it running now, but I would like to know how I can make sure that the xsupplicant deamon starts up at the same time as my system
[11:37] <lordofthepigs> and how to make it start before DHCP (since I can't get a valid IP address before having been authenticated)
[11:37] <lordofthepigs> does anybody have an idea how to do that?
[11:37] <hasta2003> hi
[11:38] <hasta2003> how can I share a windows printer with my lan and use it in linux?
[11:38] <hasta2003> Do I need linux drivers for the printer?
[11:40] <ardchoille> !print
[11:40] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:41] <VSpike> too late- we didn't reply within 1 minute :)
[11:41] <ardchoille> lol
[11:41] <ardchoille> I just got out of the pool and looked at my screen
[11:42] <VSpike> you have a pool by the computer?
[11:43] <ardchoille> I have an indoor pool on my property
[11:43] <ardchoille> I have a computer by my pool
[11:45] <ardchoille> If I could figure out how to water proof it, I'd have a computer *in* my pool
[11:46] <ScorpKing> that might be a mission. :P
[11:49] <ScorpKing> lordofthepigs: all i know is that the startup cripts are it /etc/rc*.d/ . maybe poke around in there and try to figure it out.
[11:51] <emilsedgh> !adept
[11:51] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:51] <ScorpKing> lordofthepigs: it looks like there is a rc*.d for every runlevel. also S12 will start before S99 i think. not sure tho.
[11:52] <VSpike> lordofthepigs: ScorpKing is exactly right - the numerical value in the link controls the start order, or at least it did ... not entirely sure how upstart changes things, if at all
[11:57] <VSpike> wow.. i just looked again at ksysv .. what an astoundingly awful gui :)
[12:08] <sredna> is there a libxine package in kubuntu that is sufficient for kde4 (1.1.7 or higher)?
[12:25] <carlinux> !ask | can someone help me about tty1-6
[12:25] <ubotu> can someone help me about tty1-6: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:26] <carlinux> hello ?
[12:26] <stdin> interesting use of the ask factoid, but follow it's advice and ask the real question
[12:27] <carlinux> ok
[12:27] <carlinux> when i'm running an xsession as usual i press ctrl+alt+f1-6 i'm supposed to see a command line log in
[12:28] <carlinux> but i can see anything exepted an error message
[12:28] <stdin> what message?
[12:28] <carlinux> user not known to the underlying module
[12:28] <carlinux> repeated 10 times on each tyy
[12:28] <carlinux> tty
[12:29] <stdin> what happens if you press enter on one of the ttys, do you see a login prompt?
[12:29] <carlinux> no
[12:29] <carlinux> i want to have a login prompt
[12:29] <carlinux> this is the problem
[12:30] <stdin> I've never seen or herd of that error
[12:30] <carlinux> ok
[12:30] <stdin> see if anyone knows in ##linux
[12:30] <carlinux> thanks a lot
[12:31] <stdin> carlinux: also, try asking on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/  reach a broader audience
[12:48] <Kimppa> Hi. I have java version 1.4.2 on my computer (java --version) and I need to upgrade to 1.5 or greater, the question is, how do I upgrade it?
[12:49] <stdin> !java | Kimppa
[12:49] <ubotu> Kimppa: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[12:49] <carlinux> can someone show me an output of ps -A | grep tty
[12:50] <stdin> carlinux: http://stdin.pastebin.us/39933
[12:51] <carlinux> thanks a lot
[12:51] <carlinux> because for my self the output is  6100 tty7     00:03:00 Xorg
[12:51] <carlinux> nothing else
[12:51] <Jenn1> Hello :)
[12:52] <stdin> carlinux: you on feisty?
[12:52] <carlinux> yes
[12:52] <carlinux> 64bits
[12:52] <stdin> what does the command "runlevel" show?
[12:52] <carlinux> N 2
[12:53] <stdin> hmm
[12:53] <carlinux> supposed to be 3 ?
[12:53] <Jenni> Is there a possible chance i could get some help to a question? x.o
[12:53] <stdin> no
[12:53] <stdin> !ask | Jenni
[12:53] <ubotu> Jenni: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:53] <carlinux> wich runlevel am i supposed to have
[12:54] <Jenni> Well, the question i have is, i try and boot the disk from my drive (Running win xp sp2) like it says, i get the messege "Loading browser please wait...." and then it does that...and nothing after that
[12:54] <stdin> carlinux: you are supposed to be on runlevel 2, and you are
[12:54] <Jenni> ive rebooted, tried 3 differnt burning apps, differnt media (cd and dvd) nothing happens x.o just the same effect over and over
[12:54] <chernov> Est' russkue lyudi?
[12:54] <carlinux> ok
[12:54] <carlinux> privet
[12:55] <chernov> carlinux: Priva. Ty otkuda?
[12:55] <carlinux> kanata
[12:55] <Jenni> I dont suppose anybody else has encountered this issue yet, have they? x.o
[12:55] <carlinux> ya frantsuzkii
[12:55] <chernov> kanada?
[12:56] <stdin> !ru
[12:56] <chernov> russkiy znaesh?
[12:56] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:56] <stdin> maybe
[12:56] <carlinux> ya izu4aiu russkii yazik
[12:56] <chernov> molodez!!!
[12:56] <chernov> priyatno slyshat'
[12:56] <carlinux> quelqu'un parle francais ?
[12:57] <chernov> ??
[12:57] <chernov> ya ne znayu frantsuzskiy
[12:57] <chernov> ((
[12:57] <carlinux> eta trudni
[12:57] <stdin> this is an English language channel
[12:58] <dhq_> are thereany eifi tools
[12:58] <carlinux> sorry
[12:58] <dhq_> wifi
[12:58] <stdin> !wifi
[12:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:58] <chernov> stdin: i know!
[12:58] <chernov> idi nahuy
[12:58] <chernov> v pizdu
[12:58] <chernov> i v zhopu
[12:59] <dhq_> chernov, english please
[12:59] <stdin> english _only_
[12:59] <dhq_> !french
[12:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:59] <chernov> stdin: idi na huy!!!
[12:59] <stdin> fine
[12:59] <carlinux> ok
[12:59] <carlinux> sorry
[12:59] <carlinux> ill speak english
[01:00] <carlinux> is there a way to run tty by running a command ?
[01:00] <Jenni> So, nobody knows anything about the lovely issue ive encountered? x.o
[01:00] <stdin> carlinux: try "sudo /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"
[01:01] <stdin> Jenni: have you rebooted with the CD in the tray?
[01:01] <Jenni> Yep, and have tried rebooting with it not in the tray, and tried booting it from disk
[01:01] <ubunturos> I installed glibc-doc. Does that mean, I can read the functions provided by stdio.h?
[01:02] <stdin> Jenni: then you need to enter the computers BIOS and set it to boot from CD-ROM
[01:02] <carlinux> it does nothing
[01:02] <ubunturos> !glibc
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <stdin> carlinux: nothing on tty2 ?
[01:02] <carlinux> no
[01:02] <carlinux> i tried both
[01:03] <Jenni> stdin: when i do that, it just sits in the bios until it flicks over to win xp after enough time of nothing
[01:03] <stdin> ubunturos: you want manpages-dev
[01:03] <ubunturos> stdin: ah, ok
[01:03] <stdin> Jenni: how did you burn the CD?
[01:03] <stdin> carlinux: hmm, I'm not too sure
[01:03] <carlinux> YEAAHHH
[01:04] <carlinux> u'r the master of every master !!
[01:04] <Jenni> burned as a iso using roxio burner, then i tried wtih infrarecorder (reccommened on the page) and i even tried burn4free
[01:04] <stdin> ...
[01:04] <Jenni> but yah, i did burn it as a iso, not just a everyday data disk :)
[01:04] <carlinux> when i press ctrl+alt+f2 i can see a log in prompt
[01:05] <stdin> carlinux: can you tell me what files are in /etc/event.d/ then?
[01:05] <carlinux> ok
[01:07] <stdin> Jenni: it's possible you have a bad image
[01:07] <carlinux> control-alt-delete logd rc0 rc1 rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5 rc6 rc-default rcS rcS-sulogin sulogin tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4 tty5 tty6
[01:07] <ubunturos> stdin: thanks, but what's within glibc-doc?
[01:07] <carlinux> perhaps there is an error in my tty1-6
[01:08] <Jenni> ya think so? alrighty, ill try and download it again then :) the program that opens up on the program bar is called "splash start"
[01:08] <stdin> carlinux: post what's in the rc2 file to pastebin and let's see
[01:09] <stdin> ubunturos: some general documentation I think
[01:09] <carlinux> start on runlevel 2
[01:09] <carlinux> stop on runlevel [!2]
[01:09] <stdin> to pastebin
[01:09] <stdin> !paste
[01:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:10] <carlinux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39360/
[01:11] <stdin> carlinux: ok, that looks OK to me, how about the "tty1" file?
[01:12] <carlinux> i think the problem is in the tty files
[01:13] <carlinux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39361/
[01:13] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:13] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:13] <stdin> carlinux: is this on the liveCD or an installed system ?
[01:15] <carlinux> installed but i copied it from the cd to try to repair it
[01:15] <stdin> ahh
[01:15] <carlinux> but as i see the problem user not known bla bla
[01:15] <carlinux> the user not known is ubuntu
[01:15] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:15] <carlinux> replace by
[01:15] <stdin> yeah, now I see why :)
[01:15] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:15] <stdin> no, don't do that :p
[01:15] <carlinux> ok
[01:16] <stdin> try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install system-services"
[01:17] <carlinux> i did it before
[01:17] <carlinux> but ill do it again
[01:17] <Jenni> ugh, downloading os's at 4am after working a 13 hours shift x.o never a smart idea
[01:17] <carlinux> tty1 didnt changed
[01:17] <carlinux> what do u have
[01:17] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:18] <carlinux> what's in your tty1
[01:18] <stdin> I have "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"
[01:18] <stdin> you can try "sudo apt-get --purge system-services" then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard system-services"
[01:19] <carlinux> sudo apt-get --purge system-services doesent work
[01:19] <stdin> if you put root there you'll have a permanent (password-less) root shell open
[01:19] <carlinux> syntax
[01:19] <carlinux> ok
[01:19] <stdin> "sudo apt-get --purge remove system-services" rather
[01:19] <carlinux> but i could change it mannually
[01:20] <stdin> you could, if you want to
[01:20] <stdin> just make sure to edit them all
[01:20] <carlinux> ok
[01:20] <stdin> exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 < change the "tty1" part to match all the file names
[01:20] <carlinux> tty changes
[01:20] <carlinux> changed
[01:21] <stdin> you'll need to reboot to see if it worked
[01:21] <carlinux> wait
[01:21] <ubuntu_> slt tlm
[01:21] <carlinux> brb
[01:21] <stdin> !fr
[01:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:21] <Jenni> okay, stdin, a slower burn didnt help at all
[01:21] <carlinux> dcaliss
[01:21] <carlinux> lol
[01:21] <stdin> Jenni: it still doesn't boot from the CD?
[01:23] <Jenni> nope, it starts up the splashstart and the kubuntu splash apperes with the loading browser messege
[01:23] <Jenni> then nothing
[01:23] <Jenni> the iso has the md5sum file
[01:23] <stdin> no, boot from the cd, when you reboot with the CD
[01:24] <carlinux> IT WORKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:24] <carlinux> thaks a lot
[01:24] <stdin> :) no problem
[01:24] <Jenni> ahh, alrighty, brb :\ wish me luck
[01:24] <carlinux> now i can get some sleep !!
[01:24] <carlinux> 2 days of deep search
[01:25] <stdin> you're just lucky I know something about upstart ;)
[01:26] <carlinux> sorry to ask u that but what's upstart ( i saw a lot of post talking about it)
[01:26] <stdin> upstart is the replacement to the old init system
[01:26] <carlinux> ok
[01:26] <stdin> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ < for more info
[01:26] <carlinux> now i understant
[01:27] <carlinux> this is why feisty dont have init
[01:27] <carlinux> with the runlevel
[01:27] <carlinux> everything is in event.d
[01:27] <stdin> well, it does. bit init is really upstart
[01:28] <stdin> and it has a sysv compatibility layer to it, so old script don't breah
[01:28] <stdin> break*
[01:28] <carlinux> ok
[01:28] <stdin> it's still quite new, but makes boot time much faster
[01:29] <carlinux> yeah while you are talking about booting i have an other question
[01:29] <Jenn1> Okay, a new issue has arised :\
[01:29] <carlinux> is it possible to configure the fonts in tty
[01:29] <Jenn1> now, that time it did load, BUT when i try and choose a option, i get the messege unable to read boot cd
[01:29] <Jenn1> or something close to that
[01:30] <dthacker> how can I tell the version of Kubuntu I'm running?
[01:30] <stdin> carlinux: I *think* "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-tools" should do it
[01:30] <stdin> !version | dthacker
[01:30] <ubotu> dthacker: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[01:30] <dthacker> thanks.
[01:30] <stdin> Jenn1: you may have bad media (CD)
[01:31] <carlinux> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic
[01:31] <carlinux> nothing else
[01:31] <Jenn1> Bleh x.o alrighty
[01:31] <Jenn1> i just have shitty luck dont i?
[01:31] <stdin> possibly :)
[01:32] <Jenn1> ah well
[01:32] <carlinux> and when i boot my kernel with quiet and splash option everyting goes black and my screen stop responfing
[01:33] <stdin> carlinux: with some systems, the splash option can cause some issues. I tend to just disable it (by removing "splash" from the boot options)
[01:33] <carlinux> jenn1: in the ubuntu livecd boot menu use the check cd or medi option
[01:33] <carlinux> this is what i did lol
[01:33] <carlinux> now everything boot fin
[01:33] <Jenn1> i swear if i burn any more media, im going to have enough to like, huck at people until i can kill them >.> and that takes alot of media XD
[01:34] <carlinux> jenn1: do u know what i mean
[01:34] <carlinux> jenn1:can u see the boot menu
[01:34] <Jenn1> when i tried that
[01:34] <Jenn1> it accualy gave me that messege x.o
[01:35] <Jenn1> in the process of burning again
[01:37] <carlinux> jenn1: can u describe me ur prob?
[01:38] <paolo> hi, can you link me some interesting projects about image processing, in vhdl?
[01:38] <Jenn1> carlinux basicly the issue im having
[01:38] <Jenn1> im trying to run the cd, ive not finaly got one that loaded to a boot menu of sorts
[01:39] <dthacker> !vhdl
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vhdl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <carlinux> ok
[01:39] <carlinux> so u can see the boot menu
[01:39] <Jenn1> only to have when i tried ANY option i get a messege "unable to read boot cd"
[01:39] <Jenn1> and not atm, beacuse im in here x.o
[01:40] <carlinux> u told us that u burn a LOT of cds
[01:40] <carlinux> right?
[01:40] <paolo> dthacker: sorry, i sent it to the wrong channel :)))
[01:40] <Jenn1> ive had to burn a few for this, beacuse i was burning at the wrong speed to start and i didnt notice
[01:41] <dthacker> paolo: np
[01:41] <Jenn1> now im burning at the right one, im getting that issue
[01:41] <carlinux> slow speed ??
[01:41] <Jenn1> mhm
[01:41] <carlinux> have u tried to burn it at slow speed
[01:41] <Jenn1> That what i said i did
[01:42] <Jenn1> thats*
[01:42] <carlinux> sorry lol cause i'm french
[01:42] <Jenn1> No worries, wish i remeber my quebecious from high school now X3
[01:42] <Jenn1> remebered*
[01:42] <carlinux> quebecious?
[01:42] <Jenn1> Canadian french
[01:43] <carlinux> where are u from ?
[01:43] <Jenn1> Canada
[01:43] <Jenn1> X3
[01:43] <carlinux> ontario
[01:43] <carlinux> ?
[01:43] <Jenn1> British Columbia
[01:43] <carlinux> i'm from quebec
[01:43] <carlinux> ha ok
[01:44] <carlinux> the best advice i can give u is to burn it in slow speed
[01:44] <Jenn1> mhm, ive done that, im trying another media, and well
[01:44] <Jenn1> if this doesnt work
[01:44] <Jenn1> its bed time for me x.o ill try more tommorow
[01:44] <Jenn1> wish me luck guys! ^.^
[01:44] <carlinux> http://haacked.com/images/haacked_com/WindowsLiveWriter/InstallingUbuntuonVirtualPCforWindowsLov_C436/image032.png
[01:44] <carlinux> wait !!
[01:44] <carlinux> just a sec
[01:44] <carlinux> check this pic
[01:45] <Jenn1> yes i get that image
[01:45] <Jenn1> thats where it crashed
[01:45] <Jenn1> (*isnt running this on a virtual pc, as a note*
[01:45] <carlinux> when ur cd will be burned press enter on Check CD for defects
[01:46] <Jenn1> i tried that
[01:46] <carlinux> it will check if ur cd is damaged
[01:46] <carlinux> ok
[01:46] <Jenn1> i got that crazy crash messege
[01:46] <Jenn1> every choice gave me that one
[01:46] <Jenn1> im trying again, if it doesnt work, ill come back to tell ya
[01:46] <carlinux> perrhaps the ISO u are using is corrupted
[01:46] <Jenn1> im thinking that, gonna try this one last time
[01:46] <Jenn1> brb
[01:46] <carlinux> if nothing works download it again
[01:46] <carlinux> see you again !
[01:51] <Jenn2> yah
[01:51] <Jenn2> the thing has to be corrupted
[01:51] <Jenn2> i got the unable to read boot cd again
[01:51] <Jenn2> on every option
[01:52] <Jenn2> well i gotta sleep, thanks for the help guys and girls ^.^
[02:11] <aantipop> ksystemlog doesnt show logs from kernel or boot, is this a known problem ?=
[02:17] <jeri> hi everyone! im just new here
[02:18] <aantipop> welcome!
[02:18] <mooper> Hi, I have dual dvi monitors but ubuntu wont let me set them up as dual screen..... Apply is greyed out!
[02:19] <jeri> can someone help how to install universe or multiverse
[02:19] <aantipop> jeri, whats you kubuntu version ? its enabled by default since feisty
[02:19] <jeri> dapper drake 6.06 Lts
[02:20] <jeri> i have trouble playing mp3s
[02:21] <aantipop> jeri: type: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:21] <Jucato> !kdesu
[02:21] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:21] <LjL> !info libxin1-ffmpeg dapper
[02:21] <LjL> !info libxin11-ffmpeg dapper
[02:21] <LjL> ggah sorry
[02:21] <ubotu> Package libxin1-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[02:21] <ubotu> Package libxin11-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[02:22] <aantipop> kdesu isnt installed @ dapper by default, is it ?
[02:22] <Jucato> aantipop: of course it is
[02:22] <LjL> jeri: try installing libxine-extracodecs
[02:23] <jeri> how do i do that?
[02:23] <LjL> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:23] <aantipop> he needs to enable universe/multiverse first
[02:25] <jeri> yup i need to enable it first
[02:25] <LjL> !universe
[02:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:26] <aantipop> jeri, the easiest way would be: launch adept manager
[02:26] <aantipop> top left, click adept and "manage repositories" or whatever its called in english
[02:26] <aantipop> there you can enable universe and multiverse
[02:27] <mooper> How do I change config of my display in system setting. everything is greyed out!
[02:27] <LjL> mooper: click on Administrator Mode.
[02:27] <jeri> my adept updater is running right now
[02:27] <mooper> LjL, I did. Its still all greyed out
[02:28] <LjL> mooper: did it ask for a password?
[02:28] <mooper> LjL no
[02:28] <LjL> mooper: are you on feisty?
[02:28] <jeri> then how?
[02:28] <mooper> LjL yes
[02:28] <aantipop> jeri: on top left, click on adept
[02:28] <jeri> how do in enable universe and mulitiverse?
[02:28] <jeri> done..then?
[02:29] <aantipop> jeri: there should be a entry "manage repositories" or so
[02:29] <jeri> yes..then?
[02:30] <LjL> mooper: well, at least for me it says it cannot be loaded at all :) but then again i'm on gutsy. close it and try again if you haven't. otherwise try  kdesudo kcontrol  and go from there.
[02:30] <aantipop> do you see the description of the repositories ? they have a (universe) and a (multiverse), mark them
[02:30] <LjL> make sure you also mark security and updates.
[02:30] <LjL> for universe and multiverse, that is.
[02:31] <jeri> ok..wait..
[02:31] <jeri> how do i mark it?
[02:31] <jeri> right click enable?
[02:32] <LjL> Once you have found these two line right click and select enable for both the deb and deb-src lines.
[02:32] <LjL> so the page says.
[02:33] <aantipop> isnt there a little box, simply check/uncheck what you want
[02:33] <LjL> mooper: could this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/88431 be what you're experiencing?
[02:33] <jeri> got it..then it's all set? click apply
[02:33] <LjL> aantipop: no i don't think there is in dapper
[02:33] <LjL> jeri, it's all explained with screenshot at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-989a83f045256da43621a16c8927ef8e27233a2a why not just follow that
[02:33] <aantipop> LjL: ok, started with edgy, didnt know
[02:34] <jeri> oh,ok thx for the help guys!
[02:34] <gyde> how do I in the konsol show the mac of my wireless card?
[02:34] <aantipop> jeri: for mp3 playback you need to install libxine1-ffmpeg. just search this in adept
[02:35] <LjL> gyde: ifconfig should show the MACs
[02:35] <LjL> aantipop: no, that package doesn't exist for dapper.
[02:35] <LjL> it's libxine-extracodecs as far as i can remember.
[02:35] <aantipop> LjL: ok im out :P
[02:36] <gyde> my wireless card is not running a connection now
[02:36] <gyde> I need the mac for that ..
[02:36] <gyde> ifconfig shows only open connection right?
[02:36] <LjL> gyde: try ifconfig -a
[02:36] <gyde> thx
[02:41] <Jucato> er... I meant teat
[02:41] <Jucato> tea
[02:41] <genii> Jucato: I would need more caffeine in me to make some smart remark at this point LOL
[02:42] <Jucato> :D
[02:42] <Unterfranke> hi#
[02:43] <Unterfranke> #hi
[02:43] <darwinofmind> anyone know of something freeware I can use to resize my XP partition to install Ubuntu without losing the data i have,   I can't afford PM
[02:43] <Jucato> GParted (the Live CD)?
[02:43] <aantipop> where is ubuntu's boot.log ?
[02:43] <aantipop> or doesnt it log the boot ?
[02:43] <LjL> darwinofmind: keep in mind that the normal Ubuntu CD you install Ubuntu from *has* that functionality built into the installer.
[02:44] <Jucato> aantipop: /var/log/boot ?
[02:44] <LjL> !gparted > darwinofmind    (darwinofmind, see the private message from Ubotu) otherwise, for finer control, here you are
[02:44] <darwinofmind> Ah thank you... it didn't explicitly say it wouldn't lose data and I didn't want to risk it.
[02:44] <Jucato> aantipop: although it tells me nothing has been logged
[02:44] <Mr_Sonoma> darwinofmind, i'd use the live cd but still back up any vital information on the windows partition you couldnt live without just incase things go bad, real bad....not saying it will but better safe than sorry.
[02:44] <aantipop> Jucato: it contains a text: (nothing has been logged yet)
[02:44] <LjL> darwinofmind, there certainly is an element of risk when resizing partitions. but it doesn't *intentionally* destroy data.
[02:45] <Jucato> aantipop: which may be the reason that ksystemlog doesn't show anything
[02:45] <Unterfranke> Servus
[02:45] <aantipop> Jucato: yup, but the reason it doesnt show anything for the kernel is that it isnt pointed to the kernel log file
[02:46] <LjL>  /var/log/kern.log ?
[02:46] <Jucato> aantipop: looks like it doesn't point to anything :)
[02:46] <LjL> aantipop: i think /var/log/boot simply shows any messages that were printed on the screen on boot. with usplash and everything, Ubuntu basically doesn't print anything now.
[02:46] <darwinofmind> Well thanks all...   Back off to windows to burn a few DVDs then I'll be back.   Have fun.
[02:47] <aantipop> Jucato: only kern.0.log isnt mentioned in the config
[02:47] <LjL> aantipop: remove the "quiet" from your kernel command line, and you should start having boot messages - and their log - again
[02:48] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure KSystemLog doesn't show me anything listed in the Kernel options at all
[02:48] <aantipop> LjL: i boot with text output, thats not the problem
 aantipop: i think /var/log/boot simply shows any messages that were printed on the screen on boot. with usplash and everything, Ubuntu basically doesn't print anything now.
[02:48] <aantipop> Jucato: yup, that needs to be fixed
[02:48] <aantipop> i boot without "quiet splash"
[02:49] <mooper> LjL: - nope thats not it
[02:50] <mooper> LjL: just all greyed out and not usable
[02:50] <mooper> It asks me for password when I press Admin Mode button
[02:52] <LjL> mooper: then file a bug on http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[02:53] <LjL> you'll see, if you seach for "monitor display kde" or such, that there are quite a few bugs reported about that module
[02:53] <LjL> but it doesn't seem to me that there is one that exactly matches your symptoms
[02:53] <bigdaddy> Hey all, this may be blasphemy, but is there a way to turn kubuntu into ubuntu? I don't mean just installing GNOME either. I mean everything Ubuntu.
[02:53] <LjL> it won't hurt if you search too, of course, four eyes are better than two, and the developers don't appreciate duplicated bug reports
[02:54] <LjL> bigdaddy: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop    will get you all the GNOME stuff installed that there is on Ubuntu
[02:54] <bigdaddy> LjL:
[02:54] <LjL> bigdaddy: the second part would be removing all the kubuntu-related stuff. you could do that with "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove kubuntu-desktop", but i cannot guarantee that'll really remove everything. anyway, MAKE VERY SURE it doesn't remove stuff you need before hitting 'Y'
[02:54] <bigdaddy> oops, will that uninstalleverything Kubuntu
[02:55] <bigdaddy> stuff like what ?
[02:55] <LjL> bigdaddy: stuff like the kernel, say :)
[02:55] <bigdaddy> any KDE related apps?
[02:55] <bigdaddy> Oh...sh_t that would be bad
[02:55] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:55] <LjL> bigdaddy: it shouldn't do that, just a disclaimer.
[02:56] <LjL> Jucato: is that still valid for Feisty? that page has been around since Dapper
[02:56] <bigdaddy> hey Jucato, how you doing?
[02:56] <Jucato> hi bigdaddy
[02:56] <LjL> ah yes it is, nevermind me
[02:56] <bigdaddy> LjL: I understand.
[02:57] <bigdaddy> I personally like KDE visually and I love that I can tweak so many things. But I am afraid that too many things are not working for me
[02:57] <LjL> bigdaddy: i understand, although another option could be reporting bugs about them
[02:57] <bigdaddy> I have had much better luck working on my in-laws Ubuntu istallation
[02:57] <LjL> one of the reasons Kubuntu is less "polished" than Ubuntu is, i suspect, a smaller user base, and so fewer bug reports.
[02:57] <bigdaddy> I send the reports everytime they crash
[02:58] <Jucato> s/smaller user base/smaller developer base/
[02:58] <LjL> uhm, i don't have many things actually *crashing*
[02:58] <bigdaddy> One thing that is a problem is my wife likes GNOME and we cannot "switch user".
[02:58] <Jucato> the only thing I have crashing here is on gutsy.. strigi
[02:58] <bigdaddy> Oh I have quite a few crashes
[02:58] <LjL> Jucato: no, i meant smaller user base... sure, that is true just as well, but can't the former be as true?
[02:59] <LjL> Jucato: yeah, on gutsy it's another matter. strigi and kblueplugd at least.
[02:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: what filetypes does strigi support on gutsy?
[02:59] <Jucato> LjL: how do we measure kubuntu user base? afaik we have quite a big one... but compared to ubuntu we're still smaller...
[02:59] <Jucato> emilsedgh: all?
[02:59] <Jucato> sorry I barely (almost don't) use it at all
[02:59] <Jucato> at this point, I trust locate:/ more :)
[02:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: really? here it doesnt understant ogg/mpg and all media files
[02:59] <bigdaddy> Have any of you guys tried PC-BSD? That might be a competitor of Kubuntu
[02:59] <LjL> well not all, it cannot understand binary files it doesn't have a module for i'd assume
[03:00] <Jucato> almost every KDE distro that hits the news is touted as "an alternative to Kubuntu" :)
[03:00] <emilsedgh> bigdaddy: there are hundreds of desktop disto's that are competeitor
[03:00] <Jucato> emilsedgh: it does. probably it hasn't indexed that far into your directorries
[03:00] <bigdaddy> yeah, butPC-BSD has been given some pretty rave reviews
[03:01] <Jucato> of course it will
[03:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: how could i tell him to do so?
[03:01] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I don't know. it just indexes.. then crashes...
[03:01] <Jucato> at least for me
[03:01] <bigdaddy> I will stick with the *buntu necause of the size of the support community though.
[03:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: lol
[03:01] <emilsedgh> :P
[03:01] <LjL> bigdaddy: it seems to have a *quite* different philosophy from Kubuntu (aside from, of course, being BSD based), as one can read from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-BSD
[03:01] <Jucato> like I said. I'm not a fan of strigi on kde3
[03:02] <LjL> packages that install using wizards? no, that's not a *competitor*, it's a different thing
[03:02] <LjL> Jucato: what do you think of that wonderful idea of making the applet a tray icon instead? :)
[03:02] <bigdaddy> LjL: yes that is true. Another reason nt to switch. I was just curious if anone had tried it. I haeeeeeeenot tried any BSD before
[03:02] <Jucato> LjL: which applet?
[03:02] <emilsedgh> Jucato: exactly! strigi, only on kde4 ;)
[03:02] <LjL> bigdaddy: you have that kernel keyboard problem too?
[03:02] <LjL> Jucato: strigi
[03:02] <Jucato> LjL: there already is one
[03:02] <Jucato> strigi-applet
[03:02] <bigdaddy> I am beginning to wonder
[03:02] <Jucato> speaking of which...
[03:03] <LjL> Jucato: yeah, but the default one in Gutsy is a new applet that runs from the tray.
[03:03] <bigdaddy> This keyboard is possesed
[03:03] <LjL> Jucato: which, if you ask me, is a terrible idea. so much for "notification area".
[03:03] <Jucato> LjL: there are 2 types. a kicker applet, and a panel applet
[03:03] <LjL> Jucato: erm? kicker *is* the panel