[00:00] <dgalg> mhall119: that sounds like a bug
[00:00] <dgalg> I can work around it but I do not know how to get the path to write to, from QML
[00:00] <mhall119> dgalg: I agree
[00:01] <dgalg> and even if that were fixed, the thing which is making the app crash is a pulseaudio error, and that has to be a problem in the platform, surely?
[00:01] <dgalg> I might be doing somethnig wrong with sound (although it works on my desktop) but even if I am, I should not be able to prevent pulseaudio from opening a folder in /var/run
[00:01] <dgalg> er /run/user I mean
[00:02] <dgalg> that's a platform thing.
[00:02] <dgalg> mhall119: does it always fail with the same error?
[00:12] <mhall119> dgalg: yeah
[00:12] <mhall119> dgalg: I'm thinking there might be something in u1db that isn't playing nice with the security sandbox, I'll check in on that too
[00:12] <dgalg> mhall119: thank you
[00:12] <mhall119> np
[00:21] <mhall119> dgalg: can you join #ubuntu-touch?
[00:32] <balloons> iBelieve, just wondering about the merge for file manager
[05:44] <camron> Is "qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel" supposed to still be needed for "music-app"?
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <dpm> good morning
[07:39] <nik90_> good morning everyone
[07:40] <_5m0k3> Good morning
[08:05] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning!
[08:15] <PaoloRotolo> Guys, how can I "pause" an app for x seconds in Qt?
[08:27] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: pause? What is your purpose?
[08:27] <PaoloRotolo> nik90_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1200410 :)
[08:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1200410 in Ubuntu Clock App "While searching world cities provide a small pause before going online to search" [Medium,Triaged]
[08:28] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: ah that one. That does not need a pause literally
[08:28] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: what I meant there was a search be made online after the user stops typing for 1 or 2 seconds
[08:28] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: for this you need to use a Timer (qml timer) which starts when the typing stops
[08:29] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: if this timer is over 1 second, then perform the search
[08:29] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: so you do not need to pause the app
[08:29] <PaoloRotolo> nik90_, ok, thanks for the tip ;)
[08:29] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: thanks for trying to fix it
[08:29] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: cant believe we have over 6 bug fixes in 1 day :)
[08:30] <PaoloRotolo> :D
[08:31] <PaoloRotolo> nik90_, last thing: according to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1197908 the reset button doesn't work if the clock hand animation is triggered. Can I stop it, before resetting the timer?
[08:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1197908 in Ubuntu Clock App "Timer sometimes does not reset its clock hands after stopping it" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:34] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: you could give it shot. I am really not sure about why that really happens
[08:35] <nik90_> so if stopping it before resetting works, good for everybody :)
[08:37] <dpm> thanks again oSoMoN for your Calendar app reviews, the app is really starting to look really good!
[08:38] <dpm> (too many reallys in there, but you get what I mean ;)
[08:38] <oSoMoN> dpm: yep, it’s looking really good, it’s good to see so many incoming contributions
[08:38] <dpm> yeah :)
[08:38] <oSoMoN> dpm: really, it really doesn’t really matter, really :)
[08:38] <dpm> :)
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Paperboy Day! :-D
[08:58] <PaoloRotolo> Morning JamesTait
[08:59] <JamesTait> PaoloRotolo, o/
[09:22] <PaoloRotolo> nik90_, I added a new timer, but it doesn't work. This is my code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6061937/
[09:25] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: the search_timer interval is in milliseconds
[09:25] <nik90_> so you cannot do if(search_timer == 1)
[09:25] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: in the search_timer, add a onTriggered: count = count + 1;
[09:25] <nik90_> if this count == 2, then do a online search
[09:27] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: also you may need to use the restart() function and clear the count variable when appropriate
[09:27] <nik90_> PaoloRotolo: try drawing a flowchart to see the logic and order of the operations going on
[09:28] <PaoloRotolo> nik90_, ok, thanks!
[09:35] <nerochiaro> gusch: when you have some time can you please have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-actions/+merge/183835 ? it's quite simple. i will run the tests on the device myself when jenkins finishes, but in the meantime would be great if you could have a look at the code.
[09:38] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok
[09:39] <nerochiaro> gusch: thanks
[09:46] <gusch> nerochiaro: I think you can remove the quit action, as quit was removed from HUD
[09:46] <nerochiaro> gusch: good point. i'll do that
[09:47] <nerochiaro> gusch: done
[09:51] <gusch> nerochiaro: is there a way to test it, or is HUD still broken? (even on desktop)
[10:10] <nerochiaro> gusch: on desktop i don't know, i can't run unity for some reason and i never had the time to figure out what's wrong. on the device hud works after you type in any search and then clear it
[10:12] <gusch> nerochiaro: ah - thx for the hint
[10:12] <nerochiaro> gusch: you're welcome. and Wallark i think should be working on fixing this but not sure what the status is
[10:14] <nerochiaro> Wellark: me and gusch (and bfiller) were wondering what the status is on fixing the hud so that it displays the actions correctly (without having to do a search first)
[10:14] <nerochiaro> ?
[10:15] <WebbyIT> hi dpm :)
[10:23] <dpm> morning WebbyIT!
[10:24] <WebbyIT> dpm, I have an idea on bug #1217876, maybe is a stupid idea, but prevent the app to crash on PC...
[10:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1217876 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Calculator locks while scrolling" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217876
[10:24] <WebbyIT> dpm, can you try on your phone? :)
[10:24] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1217876
[10:37] <dpm> WebbyIT, wow, that's pretty awesome, let me see if I can test it on the phone
[10:45] <dpm> WebbyIT, I've just tested it, but unfortunately it still locks
[10:49] <WebbyIT> dpm, ok, I said that maybe is stupid :P
[10:49] <WebbyIT> dpm, I'll try other way
[10:50] <WebbyIT> *ways
[10:50] <dpm> ok, thanks WebbyIT
[10:50] <WebbyIT> dpm, another question. I am invited to conference where I have to speak about Ubuntu Touch, there are some resources?
[10:51] <WebbyIT> dpm, something like template for presentation, old presentation  to have some ideas...
[10:51] <dpm> WebbyIT, I'm not sure we've got much, but I'll have a look. When would you need the material?
[10:52] <WebbyIT> dpm, it's for the end of november, a lot of time :)
[10:52] <dpm> WebbyIT, ok. Would you mind sending me an e-mail about it, so I can keep track of it?
[10:52] <WebbyIT> dpm, sure
[10:52] <dpm> great, thanks
[10:55] <WebbyIT> dpm, thanks to you :)
[11:07] <popey> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6062223/ <- script to branch, build, push, install and reboot phone
[11:09] <dpm> popey, nice!
[11:10] <popey> lunch!
[11:17] <dpm> wohoo, hourly scrolling landed for Calendar! \o/
[11:19] <popey> yay
[11:27] <nik90_> popey: why do you need the script? Cant you run the branch on the phone through qtcreator without having to build and install etc. That's what I am doing to test my local alarm branch :)
[11:35] <popey> nik90_: well that script is a fork of another script https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/revision/24
[11:35] <popey> nik90_: which branches _all_ of the core apps and shoves them onto the phone
[11:35] <popey> faster than using qtcreator repeatedly, for 12 apps
[11:35] <nik90_> popey: wow that's impressive
[11:36] <popey> i like automating my life
[11:36] <nik90_> hehe
[11:36] <nik90_> popey: in the future, your bot will be typing these messages for you :P
[11:37] <popey> People have suggested "popey" is a bot
[11:37] <nik90_> lol
[11:46] <Wellark> nerochiaro: what's the bug number?
[11:52] <nerochiaro> Wellark: i can't find it anymore, let me search the backlog
[12:00] <nerochiaro> Wellark: the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/hud/+bug/1205097 and i followed the advice in the last comment, then rebooted the phone. the hud is still not showing actions unless a search is made
[12:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1205097 in Unity HUD "HUD isn't working" [Critical,Fix released]
[12:03] <nerochiaro> Wellark: i added a comment with more info on the version of image and package. I'm reopening the bug unless you say otherwise
[12:25] <dgalg> dholbach or mhall119 ping
[12:27] <nerochiaro> Wellark: when you have a minute I'd really like to get to the bottom of this hud issue
[12:36] <tmoenicke> zsombi: ping
[12:37] <zsombi> tmoenicke: pong
[12:37] <tmoenicke> zsombi: do you know who works on the popover component?
[12:38] <zsombi> tmoenicke: atm noone :)
[12:38] <zsombi> tmoenicke: either timp or me, depends on who's available :)
[12:38] <zsombi> tmoenicke: what's the problem?
[12:39] <tmoenicke> zsombi: i trying to use it in the osk for the extended keys, when you long-press a key the popover pops over and shows extended keys :)
[12:39] <tmoenicke> it looks really cool, but sometimes I only see the shadow around and no content
[12:39] <tmoenicke> zsombi: ^
[12:40] <zsombi> tmoenicke: maybe you don't have content :D
[12:43] <dholbach> dgalg, pong
[12:44] <tmoenicke> zsombi: it shows this as debug: WARNING: QObject::connect: Cannot connect QQuickShaderEffectSource:: to ShapeItem_QML_24::onImagePropertiesChanged()
[12:44] <dgalg> dholbach: thank you for reviewing my app (Word Chain) (I think it was you) in the beta app store. however mhall119 ran it on a device and it didn't work. did it work for you? (I was hoping for some feedback helping to explain why it didn't work on a device.)
[12:44] <dholbach> dgalg, it worked on the device for popey - for me it worked on the desktop
[12:45] <dholbach> dgalg, looks like the u1db extension was /just/ added to ubuntu-touch, so it should be on the devices
[12:45] <dgalg> dholbach: it works on the desktop for me too (that is all I have to test it on!). popey tested it on a device as well and it worked there too?
[12:45] <dholbach> dpm, popey: does wordchain for you turn up in the store now?
[12:46] <nik90_> nic-doffay: ping. I am trying to use ItemSelector but it is giving me errors. Since you coded it, can you help identify the issue? I am pretty much copying the code from the examples
[12:47] <zsombi> tmoenicke: that' sUbuntuShape problem
[12:48] <tmoenicke> zsombi: ok, thx
[12:48] <nic-doffay> nik90, yeah post away
[12:49] <nic-doffay> nik90_, ^
[12:49] <zsombi> tmoenicke: at least I think so :D
[12:51] <nik90_> nic-doffay: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6062554/
[12:51] <nik90_> nic-doffay: that's the code and error message I get
[12:51] <popey> dholbach: how can i see that?
[12:52] <dholbach> popey, should turn up in "more suggestions" in the app scope
[12:52] <dholbach> or search for it
[12:52] <dholbach> for some reason I can't see it
[12:52] <nik90_> nic-doffay: if it matters, I have applied a background gradient. I am trying to use ItemSelector to implement the alarms for clock app. Design as https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/bHiRIrFr5nlpKH455DEUjb_QVMmCLdyFftO_1qlokNeBNbD1OjwRQJRYw04KTsv3dIJ_Do52DwilFTcOL-hq6kWXUiZYd_LNFCRWB5xCGLcLKPSAQzw6y_RZdg
[12:52] <dholbach> beuno, can you see the "wordchain" app in the app scope? (approved like 2h ago)
[12:52] <popey> hmm, i see only 6 in more suggestions
[12:52] <dgalg> dholbach popey I haven't clicked on the "publish it" button yet because I was worried that it did not work on the device!
[12:52] <popey> heh
[12:53] <popey> well it starts on the device
[12:53] <popey> dunno how to play it though ☻
[12:53] <nik90_> dgalg: does it matter? We are all early testers and would love to give feedback
[12:53] <dgalg> i havn't done instructions yet
[12:53] <dholbach> dgalg, ahh ok, so that's the issue then :)
[12:53] <dgalg> nik90_: i don't want to publish a thing which doesn't work because then people won't know to go back to it
[12:54] <dholbach> popey, choose a letter in the lower half which might turn the word in the upper half into a new word
[12:54] <dgalg> popey: pick a letter and change it for another one that makes a word, so POPEY -> POPES
[12:54] <dholbach> yeah
[12:54] <dgalg> I am planning to add inline help
[12:55] <popey> dgalg: need to make the letters larger i think
[12:56] <dgalg> popey: the keyboard letters or the word letters?
[12:56] <popey> keyboard
[12:56] <popey> also, i have broken my phone
[12:56] <dgalg> ok, thank you, that's useful feedback
[12:56] <popey> disable the applications scope and you can't get to the screen to re-enable it
[12:56] <popey> this seems sub-optimal
[13:00] <nik90_> nic-doffay: also has the OptionSelector landed in the SDK? I cannot find any documentation related to it.
[13:00] <popey> dgalg: dholbach now I can't get wordchain to start
[13:00] <nic-doffay> nik90_ yeah it has.
[13:00] <nic-doffay> nik90_, think I know what the issue with that is.
[13:00] <nic-doffay> I'm prepping another branch to fix a scrolling bug now, so I'll include the fix in that.
[13:00] <popey> going to wipe my phone and start again
[13:01] <nik90_> nic-doffay: thnx
[13:03] <dgalg> popey: thank you for testing
[13:03] <popey> no problem, anytime, am going to try again with a clean phone
[13:21] <nic-doffay> nik90_, https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/scroll-nudging-fix/+merge/183863
[13:21] <nic-doffay> nik90_, can you comment if it's fixed?
[13:21] <nic-doffay> It's ok for me now.
[13:23] <AskUbuntu> Notication bar not working | http://askubuntu.com/q/341259
[13:24] <nik90_> nic-doffay: I do not know how to test it. I previously trying building the files and broke my system :(
[13:24] <nik90_> as it caused some package conflicts all over my system
[13:24] <nic-doffay> nik90_, no worries
[13:25] <nik90_> nic-doffay: btw did jouni talk to you about extending itemselector to multiple selections?
[13:26] <nic-doffay> nik90_, yeah I started on it a bit this morning.
[13:26] <nic-doffay> nik90_, they will be separate components.
[13:26] <nik90_> nic-doffay: thanks again for the fix. And I am glad to hear about the multipleoptions
[13:26] <nik90_> nic-doffay: for now, I am using the optionselector
[13:26] <nik90_> nic-doffay: when the other one lands, i will change to that
[13:27] <nic-doffay> nik90_, cool. I've sent over that branch to the sdk guys for review, hopefully it will land soon.
[13:28] <nik90_> nic-doffay: awesome
[13:39] <dpm> dholbach, just came back from lunch, testing it now
[13:40] <dpm> dholbach, how does the store update?  Or reboot?
[13:41] <dpm> dholbach, nope, still not there after killing unity, trying rebooting now
[13:43] <dholbach> dpm, no worries - looks like dgalg didn't publish it yet
[13:43] <dpm> dholbach, ok. Yeah, it does not appear after reboot, either
[13:44] <dgalg> I have not published yet because I have not had a confirmation that it actually works on the phone yet :)
[13:44] <dgalg> (also I am adding first-run tutorial stuff so people know what to do!)
[13:45] <dholbach> mhall119, for your app you might need to get in touch with jdstrand
[13:46] <nik90_> dholbach: is there a way to remove installed click apps?
[13:46] <nik90_> dholbach: I installed some, but couldnt find a way to remove them
[13:47] <iBelieve> balloons, ping (or rather a late pong)
[13:48] <dholbach> nik90_, AFAIK that not implemented yet - not sure how to do it
[13:49] <nik90_> dholbach: ah ok
[13:58] <nerochiaro> Wellark: ping
[13:59] <mhall119> dholbach: which app?
[13:59] <dholbach> mhall119, g+
[13:59] <mhall119> I did get with him
[14:00] <dholbach> ah ok
[14:00] <mhall119> dholbach: is there something wrong with it?
[14:00] <dholbach> no, I just wasn't sure about the template being used
[14:00] <dholbach> if he's fine, he can probably go and approve it
[14:01] <mhall119> yeah, I got the template line from him
[14:01] <mhall119> and I was able to click install it on my N4 and run it
[14:01] <mhall119> RobbyF tested it too and it worked for him
[14:04] <dpm> hi zsombi, meet pkunal-parmar, the Calendar app developer. He is planning to use Qt Organizer and the e-d-s backend to store events, and he's looking at setting alarms and recurrence. I thought it might be worth considering using the Alarms API if that makes sense, so I then thought I'd get you two in touch to discuss it
[14:04] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, zsombi works in the SDK team and is the developer of the Alarms API that the clock app is going to use ^
[14:05] <zsombi> phunal-parmar: hi there
[14:05] <pkunal-parmar> hi zsombi
[14:06] <pkunal-parmar> so as I understand it, we can register alarm with alarm API
[14:06] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: ah, typo, sorry :)
[14:06] <pkunal-parmar> and how can we handle recurrance ?
[14:07] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: Alarm API also uses QtOrganzier to set alarms, my question would be what would you need alarms for? To pop up a reminder? Then you don't need Alarm API for that
[14:08] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: the QtOrganizer does the job for you
[14:08] <pkunal-parmar> so I dont need to use any particular API to register alarm right ?
[14:08] <Wellark> nerochiaro: I don't have time to look at it today
[14:09] <pkunal-parmar> I can just add that to Qt Organizer and its done
[14:09] <Wellark> will look at remaining HUD issue tomorrow
[14:09] <wellsb> Actions defined on a page level instead of the mainview level don't appear in the hud when that page is opened.  Are others seeing this?
[14:10] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: I haven't checked what's available to QML, however in C++ you need to set AudibleReminder to get reminder triggered... however that doesn't work yet, or at least I couldn't get it working yet
[14:11] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: the EDS backend is still under development, so if something doesn't work, ping renato_
[14:12] <pkunal-parmar> zsombi, so you use same EDS backend that calendar is going to use ?
[14:12] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: yep
[14:12] <pkunal-parmar> I mean i dont need to add seperate entry to Alarm?
[14:12] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: nope
[14:12] <pkunal-parmar> ok that's great then
[14:13] <zsombi> pkunal-parmar: if you want to be reminded on a calendar event, then you don't need anything else, just play with the calendar events :)
[14:14] <pkunal-parmar> zsombi, that seems great :) thanks
[14:16] <nerochiaro> Wellark: ok, but can you give us an idea of when you will do that ? and keep bfiller updated on the state ?
[14:16] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, does that answer your questions? If so, I'd suggest to move forward as we discussed: first the new event UI and then the Qt Organizer changes. Does that make sense to you?
[14:17] <pkunal-parmar> that makes sense, but  is EDS plugin going to be back ported ?
[14:17] <pkunal-parmar> it not then can I build that plugin my self ?
[14:19] <balloons> iBelieve, ping pong :-)
[14:19] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, I'll ask Mirv to see if it can be copied/backported to 13.04 in the SDK PPA. If you need to build it yourself, renato_ should be able to help you
[14:20] <pkunal-parmar> dpm, then I will first work on newevent and wait for news, else will contact renato for build instruction
[14:21] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, makes sense. In any case, the project lives in https://launchpad.net/qtorganizer5-eds
[14:21] <pkunal-parmar> ok
[14:21] <dpm> awesome, really looking forward to your latest branch to land! :-)
[14:22] <pkunal-parmar> dpm, me too, I also added theme support
[14:23] <pkunal-parmar> now only some minor changes will be pending and Qt Organizer
[14:23] <dpm> yeah, I just ran the branch, the theme makes such a difference!
[14:23] <dpm> good work
[14:23] <pkunal-parmar> thanks
[14:24] <pkunal-parmar> BTW I got this error
[14:24] <pkunal-parmar> OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory
[14:24] <pkunal-parmar> so that;s server issue or app issue ?
[14:25] <mhall119> dgalg: how did you make you 0.3 package?
[14:25] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, let's ask balloons, he's our QA mastermind :) balloons, any ideas about this failure and how to sort it out? -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/204/testReport/calendar_app.tests.test_monthview/TestMonthView/test_monthview_go_to_today_prev_year_with_mouse_/
[14:26] <dgalg> mhall119: with qt creator (but this is after you suggested that I upgrade, so I may have the newer version of things)
[14:26] <balloons> ohh yikes, looks like the virtual enviroment ran out of memmory.. I wonder how many forks you created
[14:26] <mhall119> dgalg: strange, the filename is wrong
[14:26] <mhall119> is should be com.ubuntu.developer.dgalg.wordchain_0.3_all.click
[14:27] <dgalg> mhall119: it is, isn't it?
[14:27] <mhall119> hmmm, not when I download it from myapps
[14:27] <mhall119> when I download it I get com.ubuntu.developer.dgalg.wordchain-0.3.click
[14:28] <dgalg> mhall119: oh. I think I uploaded it with the right name?
[14:28] <mhall119> ok
[14:28] <pkunal-parmar> balloons, I pushed change once after proposing merge
[14:28] <pkunal-parmar> so may be it ran twice
[14:29] <mhall119> beuno: does myapps rename uploaded files?
[14:29] <pkunal-parmar> so first time it got passed and second time out of memory
[14:29] <balloons> pkunal-parmar, we can try a simple re-run. if it fails again, we'll have to look closer at the vm, and make sure your not calling tons of forks for some odd reason
[14:29] <balloons> iBelieve, whenever your back, I want to get this landed :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-popover-caller/+merge/183225 That's what I'm pinging about
[14:30] <pkunal-parmar> balloons, what you mean by fork ? do you mean push the changes ?
[14:31] <balloons> no, you have os.fork calls.. you are creating subprocesses
[14:32] <pkunal-parmar> ahh, I am not sure if QML does that in background, or may be autopilot is doing it
[14:32] <pkunal-parmar> not sure, may be we can try re-run and see what happens
[14:33] <beuno> mhall119, it does
[14:33] <mhall119> beuno: ok....why does it do that?
[14:34] <Wellark> nerochiaro: tomorrow,
[14:34] <beuno> mhall119, because you could give us a bogus name
[14:34] <beuno> mhall119, and it's easier to rename than to have people try and cply manually
[14:34] <beuno> and
[14:34] <nerochiaro> Wellark: i won't be around but please sync with bfiller when he comes in tomorrow
[14:34] <beuno> filenames don't actually matter here
[14:34] <beuno> except in our lint tools  :)
[14:34] <mhall119> ok
[14:35] <balloons> pkunal-parmar, right.. I didn't think you would be doing that in the application, so I'm sure it's an enviroment thing
[14:37] <pkunal-parmar> balloons,  thanks I will try to re-run may be tomorrow, once review is done
[14:37] <iBelieve> balloons, pong
[14:39] <Wellark> nerochiaro: will do
[14:42] <dgalg> I have just uploaded a newer version of Word Chain (version 0.4) which has some fixes in it (inline help, mainly, after popey's feedback). Version 0.3 is ready to publish, but 0.4 has not been reviewed. Should I wait until version 0.4 has been approved before publishing, or if I publish 0.3 now, will 0.4 be automatically published once it's reviewed?
[14:43] <mhall119> dgalg: I think you'll need to republish 0.4 when it's approved, but I could be wrong, beuno ?
[14:45] <balloons> iBelieve, so I wanted to land that branch I pasted in there.. I know you do also
[14:45] <dgalg> mhall119: ok I will wait for 0.4 review
[14:45] <beuno> dgalg, great question!   I'm not sure. Want to try it?  :)
[14:45] <balloons> we've been playing ping pong for too long
[14:46] <iBelieve> balloons, sorry, I got busy working on schoolwork
[14:46] <iBelieve> balloons, so why is that branch failing?
[14:46] <balloons> iBelieve, I just remembered why it's failing.. is it ready to land otherwise?
[14:47] <iBelieve> balloons, yes, the branch is ready to land
[14:55] <dgalg> beuno: I don't mind trying it if two things are true... that there is someone willing to test that the app works on a device once it'spublished, and that it is possible for me to "unpublish" it if it doesn't work!
[14:55] <beuno> dgalg, it is possible to unpublish
[14:56] <beuno> dgalg, I'll help you out with whatever the outcome is
[15:02] <wellsb> The accounts-plugin for devices does not seem to populate the displayName field of the account service model
[15:14] <iBelieve> beuno, ping
[15:15] <beuno> iBelieve, pong
[15:15] <iBelieve> beuno, I've got a couple questions about my click package namespace, are you the right person to ask?
[15:18] <JoshStrobl> Would this be the appropriate place to propose an application be removed from USC? Wasn't really getting a response from #ubuntu-develop.
[15:18] <popey> JoshStrobl: what app?
[15:19] <JoshStrobl> afitness...its the Windows Phone app I was talking about in the JB Mumble server (to you on-air) that is in USC for some reason.
[15:19] <popey> dpm: why does the calendar app build two debs.. once called calendar-app_0.4_all.deb and one called ubuntu-calendar-app_0.4_all.deb ?
[15:19] <popey> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/afitness/
[15:19] <JoshStrobl> It's also in the WP8 Store, no surprise there. Identical. Not sure how it got passed the review process on USC
[15:20] <JoshStrobl> that's correct popey
[15:20] <beuno> iBelieve, sure, shoot
[15:20] <dpm> popey, the ubuntu-* one is most probably a leftover from before we renamed the app and should not be built. Perhaps the daily recipe needs to be updated?
[15:21] <popey> how odd JoshStrobl
[15:21] <popey> dpm: if I branch trunk and "debuild" it builds it, I will take a look at the package and propose a fix
[15:21] <dpm> ok, cool
[15:22] <popey> JoshStrobl: I'll pass that on, thanks
[15:22] <JoshStrobl> No problem.
[15:22] <iBelieve> beuno, so I choose com.sonrisesoftware for my namespace, since my website is sonrisesoftware.wordpress.com and because I'd eventually like to get the sonrisesoftware.com domain. When I tried to submit my click app, I was told I can't use that since I don't own the domain.
[15:22] <iBelieve> beuno, so I need to change my namespace. But I'm also wondering if I'll be able to change back to com.sonrisesoftware if I ever get that domain?
[15:23] <beuno> iBelieve, you won't, as your namespace is assigned to you as a developer que sticks with you from then on
[15:24] <beuno> iBelieve, to be fair, the namespace isn't use visible in any way
[15:24] <iBelieve> beuno, so I'm not able to use com.sonrisesoftware now?
[15:24] <beuno> iBelieve, no, we need it to be something you own
[15:24] <beuno> to avoid conflicts
[15:25] <iBelieve> beuno, make sense, I just wanted to double check. Then how do I get it changed to something that I'm allowed to use?
[15:25] <beuno> iBelieve, I can do that for you, just tell me what to change it to
[15:26] <iBelieve> beuno, whatever the default was is fine. I don't remember what that was. My LP username is mdspencer
[15:26] <beuno> iBelieve, com.ubuntu.developer.mdspencer it is!
[15:27] <iBelieve> beuno, okay, cool. Thanks!
[15:29] <beuno> iBelieve, now I just need you to upload a new version with that namespace in the click manifest
[15:30] <popey> JoshStrobl: seems that app is legit
[15:30] <WebbyIT> dpm, can you review please https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/4Sep2013/+merge/183906 ?
[15:30] <iBelieve> beuno, okay, will do
[15:30] <WebbyIT> dpm, the commit of yesterday introduced a little bug
[15:30] <popey> WebbyIT: let me
[15:31] <JoshStrobl> popey: A windows phone app in the USC is considered legit?
[15:31] <WebbyIT> popey, thanks
[15:31] <WebbyIT> popey, there is all in the description of change,
[15:31] <popey> JoshStrobl: have you installed it? Do you know it's a windows app?
[15:31] <JoshStrobl> Windows Phone, not Windows. And yes, I'll go ahead and link you, one moment.
[15:31] <popey> (screenshots may not be indicative)
[15:31] <szymon_> beuno, Hi, could you help me with changing "Username namespace" in developer.ubuntu.com please ? ( someone said you have access to it )
[15:32] <beuno> szymon_, sure can. What to what?
[15:32] <JoshStrobl> popey: Links to screenshots of it can be found at: http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/1l10hc/anyone_want_to_buy_a_windows_phone_app_found_this/cbv4ucy
[15:32] <szymon_> beuno, "ushopper" to "majster-pl" please.
[15:33] <popey> JoshStrobl: where did those screenshots come from?
[15:33] <JoshStrobl> My Lumia 920
[15:33] <JoshStrobl> auto-uploaded via Skydrive
[15:33] <beuno> szymon_, it'll be a bit of a problem as your app has already been published
[15:33] <JoshStrobl> Hence the Skydrive links
[15:34] <beuno> and will be orhpaned
[15:34] <popey> no.
[15:34] <szymon_> beuno, yeap... is there any other way around to change it ?
[15:34] <popey> JoshStrobl: where did they come from, not how did you make them available on reddit
[15:35] <beuno> szymon_, I'll fix it and do a lot of manual tweaking
[15:35] <popey> JoshStrobl: so you took photos of the app on windows phone?
[15:35] <popey> I mean, screenshots
[15:35] <beuno> szymon_, but in the future, this won't be possible  :)
[15:35] <JoshStrobl> Yes.
[15:36] <popey> JoshStrobl: right, so if I take a screenshot of spotify on android does that mean its only an android app?
[15:36] <JoshStrobl> I can use the Windows key and lock screen key to take screenshots in Windows Phone.
[15:36] <szymon_> beuno, whats about if I delate package... you change namespace and then I will upload app again ?
[15:36] <popey> JoshStrobl: or if I take a screenshot of gmail does that make gmail an android app?
[15:37] <JoshStrobl> No, however the screenshots clearly indicate that afitness is a Windows Phone 8 app. Either the screenshot is out of date and should be changed, or its a Windows Phone 8 app and serves no purpose being in USC.
[15:37] <iBelieve> beuno, okay, uploaded the fixed verson. Thanks for your help!
[15:37] <beuno> szymon_, perfect, lets do that
[15:37] <beuno> iBelieve, anytime
[15:37] <popey> JoshStrobl: neither of those is the case ☻
[15:37] <JoshStrobl> the screenshot a.k.a those available on USC
[15:37] <szymon_> beuno, doing it now.
[15:37] <popey> JoshStrobl: what if the ubuntu app also looked like the windows app
[15:38] <szymon_> beuno, done.
[15:38] <beuno> szymon_, done
[15:38] <szymon_> beuno, thank you :)
[15:39] <JoshStrobl> popey: You mean to tell me that this passed the whole review process by Canonical despite it being an exact port from Windows Phone 8 to Ubuntu?
[15:39] <beuno> szymon_, np
[15:39] <popey> JoshStrobl: if someone wants to submit an app which looks like a windows app or an android app to USC, they can
[15:39] <JoshStrobl> I'm baffled...
[15:39] <popey> JoshStrobl: what exactly is the issue here?
[15:40] <popey> an app is in the USC which looks like a windows app by the *same* *person*
[15:40] <JoshStrobl> Looks like? It IS. There is a different between an imitation and a port.
[15:41] <popey> Its a port. What's the problem?
[15:41] <szymon_> beuno, I having problem with uploading app now... ;/ when I choose package name I get error: "You already have a Click Package with this package name."
[15:43] <beuno> szymon_, aha, of course
[15:44] <beuno> szymon_, and you can't upload it as an update?
[15:44] <szymon_> beuno, I can't even get to update page as there is no such application.
[15:45] <beuno> szymon_, ah, you deleted the app instead of unpublishing, right?
[15:46] <szymon_> beuno, yes, sorry I'm new to USC
[15:46] <beuno> szymon_, it's ok, it shouldn't be this confusing, this is what the beta stage is for  :)
[15:47] <szymon_> beuno, true :)
[15:47] <beuno> szymon_, should be back from the dead to push an update
[15:50] <szymon_> beuno, should I try to create/upload app tomorrow ?
[15:50] <beuno> szymon_, no, just upload a new version
[15:50] <beuno> szymon_, you should see it again now
[15:54] <PaoloRotolo> nik90_, merge proposed :D
[16:01] <szymon_> beuno, uploading new version now. Thank you once again! ( hopefully reviewing my app with new namespace will go smoother :) )
[16:02] <beuno> szymon_, np!
[16:03] <beuno> thanks for helping us through this phase
[16:29] <popey> WebbyIT: tried https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/4Sep2013/+merge/183906
[16:29] <popey> left a comment
[16:31] <WebbyIT> popey, thanks
[16:39] <WebbyIT> popey, is not related, but I updated the branch, can you check please? :)
[16:41] <popey> sure
[16:42]  * popey hugs his script
[16:44] <popey> WebbyIT: NICE!
[16:47] <dwisse> Is anybody already busy with an IM app ?
[16:47] <popey> there's http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/1k235y/app_submission_fallback_messenger_the_smart/  dwisse
[16:48] <popey> but I don't know of any others
[16:48] <WebbyIT> popey, thanks
[16:51] <dwisse> A frontend for libpurple would be nice I think, don't you ?
[16:52] <popey> I do!
[16:52] <popey> especially if you can integrate torchat or some other really nice secure chat mechanism ☻
[16:52] <popey> nice selling point
[16:53] <dwisse> ok nice
[17:29] <nik90_> popey: you free to do some testing?
[17:29] <nik90_> popey: I did some testing myself as well, but just need another opinion
[17:30] <popey> sure thing!
[17:30] <nik90_> popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~paolorotolo/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-for-1200410/+merge/183908
[17:30] <nik90_> popey: you need to make a small change to the code
[17:30] <nik90_> before you build and run your script :)
[17:30] <popey> oh noes
[17:30] <popey> my script doesn't cater for this! :D
[17:30] <nik90_> just 3 lines of code to produce some output to test stuff
[17:31] <popey> ok, what do I do?
[17:31] <nik90_> open clock/WorldClock.qml file
[17:31] <nik90_> add the import statement import "../common/ClockUtils.js" as Utils
[17:32] <nik90_> then in the function searchCityURL(), add Utils.log("Online")
[17:32] <nik90_> and in the function localCityUrl (), add Utils.log("Local")
[17:32] <nik90_> that's it
[17:32] <nik90_> popey: you are testing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1200410 btw
[17:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1200410 in Ubuntu Clock App "While searching world cities provide a small pause before going online to search" [Medium,In progress]
[17:33] <popey> ok
[17:33] <nik90_> so basically press add city, and then type any city. Previously it did an online query after every string you type. Now it should only search after a small pause (which is when the user stops typing)
[17:34] <popey> this is a bit broken
[17:34] <popey> i press "Add city" and get a blank screen
[17:35] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-04-183524.png
[17:35]  * popey starts again
[17:36] <popey> yeah, add city just gives blank screen every time
[17:36] <nik90_> popey: can you select all text in that file and replace with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6063466/
[17:36] <popey> sure
[17:38] <popey> dunno what I did wrong then, that works
[17:38] <popey> well, when I say "works"
[17:38] <popey> nik90_: the add city screen disappears when i type a city
[17:39] <nik90_> popey: but it search and provide some results after that?
[17:39] <popey> as soon as a keypress registers, it appears in the box and i'm dumped back to the clock
[17:39] <Chocanto> nik90_: Hey ! :)
[17:39] <nik90_> Chocanto: hi
[17:39] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-04-183929.png
[17:39] <popey> it looks like that, which is okay
[17:39] <Chocanto> nik90_: Did you have the time to work on file-qml-plugin ? I'm sorry I was really busy these last time
[17:40] <popey> then i highlight the search field, osk appears, then i press F and I'm dumped back to the clock
[17:40] <nik90_> popey: and let me guess it added a world city to your saved list
[17:40] <nik90_> Chocanto: my last work was my MP
[17:40] <popey> ooh, it added a few
[17:40] <popey> i have lots of amsterdam
[17:40] <Chocanto> nik90_: Ok :)
[17:40] <nik90_> Chocanto: I am busy with the alarms implementation now.
[17:40] <nik90_> popey: that's not a clock bug but more with the osk
[17:40] <popey> ah
[17:41] <nik90_> popey: which means you cannot test :(
[17:41] <nik90_> Chocanto: what more needs to be done?
[17:41] <popey> i can roll back to an earlier image nik90_
[17:41] <popey> if the osk bug is new
[17:41] <nik90_> popey: no it has been there for a while. I cannot say since when
[17:41] <nik90_> atleast after I got the phone
[17:42] <nik90_> popey: but it happens only rarely, so hard to reproduce
[17:42] <popey> happens every  time here
[17:42] <popey> but never used to for me
[17:42] <nik90_> popey: anyway the reason I asked you to test is that the same pause time before making an online search can be adjusted.
[17:42] <nik90_> popey: can you try with some other application
[17:43] <popey> try what OSK?
[17:43] <nik90_> yeah
[17:43] <Chocanto> nik90_: Right now we have something that would work with the clock app and the docviewer app, so we can create a package ? Or maybe ask to the sdk team to implement it, but I don't think the plugin is mature enough to do it
[17:43] <popey> k
[17:43] <popey> works fine in notes
[17:43] <popey> hah, now it doesnt ☻
[17:44] <nik90_> Chocanto: yes atm it has what we need.
[17:44] <popey> never seen it this bad before
[17:44]  * popey reflashes back to a previous image
[17:44] <nik90_> popey: I faced this when I started trying development branches of the app.
[17:44] <nik90_> popey: oh btw, I do not see the osk when I launch app in phone through qtcreator
[17:44] <Chocanto> nik90_: Ok I'll try to start packaging
[17:44] <Chocanto> nik90_: thank you
[17:45] <nik90_> Chocanto: I will try to organise a meeting with bzoltan regarding getting it into sdk. Will invite you to it
[17:45] <popey> odd
[17:46] <Chocanto> nik90_: Ok, feel free to email me if I'm not in IRC :)
[17:47] <nik90_> Chocanto: definitely
[17:48] <Sasi> hi,
[17:48] <popey> hi
[17:48] <Sasi> I'm new to this
[17:48] <Chocanto> nik90_: Ok, thank you !
[17:48] <Sasi> welcome!
[17:49] <Sasi> any body can address what's this
[17:49] <Sasi> ?
[17:51] <rschroll> labsin: A follow up on styling Sliders:  The thing I needed was the __styledItem property, which gives you access to the widgets created by the style property.  Specifically, the thumb is available at __styledItem.thumb.  Now we know :)
[17:51] <labsin> rschroll, good to know
[17:54] <popey> nik90_: bah! even an old image does it, never seen this issue before.. sorry
[17:54] <nik90_> popey: no worries
[17:55] <nik90_> popey: I tried it on the desktop, and have asked Paolo to increase the pause timer a little bit more
[17:55] <popey> we should have a bug for the same city being added twice too?
[17:59] <nik90_> popey: yes
[17:59] <nik90_> popey: although that is due to the online api, so kinda hard to solve.
[18:26] <mrqtros> Hi, Lisette! How are you? :)
[18:37] <JoshStrobl> popey, can I use the Cordova APIs (for Ubuntu Touch) in the QML / JS implementation of applications?
[18:38] <JoshStrobl> I believe so, just figured I'd double check with someone that is more experienced in the field. Obviously it is usable in the HTML5 implementation that is still in the works.
[18:47] <jrei> hi
[18:48] <jrei> someone here who could give me a hint on the nexus4 with ubuntu touch?
[18:49] <jrei> i flashed cdimage-touch but i have no wifi or gsm data connection
[18:50] <timp> jrei: I think #ubuntu-touch is a better place to ask
[18:50] <jrei> ok
[18:50] <jrei> thanks
[18:56] <szymon_> I'm playing with toolbar for Ubuntu Touch... I need toolbar to be opened but not locked... it looks like it can not be done at the moment or I'm doing something wrong ?
[18:58] <nik90_> szymon_: you can do it
[18:59] <nik90_> szymon_: try locked: false and opened: true
[18:59] <timp> szymon_: the toolbar automatically closes when you change to a new Page.
[18:59] <timp> szymon_: don't spend too much time on it, wait a week or so, the default behavior of the Toolbar will be changed
[18:59] <szymon_> jrei, I had this problem too, try turn of wifi, then go to settings->cellular and where is data: tap on "none" and then on "3g"  it should works ( data )
[18:59] <timp> szymon_: the new behavior will be that the toolbar is opened (and not locked) when there is a new active Page, so that users can see which actions are available.
[19:00] <jrei> szymon_: tanks, i'll give it a shot
[19:00] <jrei> +h
[19:00] <timp> szymon_: I had the implementation for that done, but some tests for apps depend on the old behavior, so they need to be modified fiest
[19:00] <timp> *first
[19:01] <timp> szymon_: ^is that the behavior that you are looking for?
[19:01] <szymon_> timp, thanks for info this is what I thought that its not working as it should...
[19:02] <timp> probably if the users don't interact with the toolbar for a while, it will automatically hide.
[19:02] <szymon_> timp, what I'm really looking for is to be able to open toolbar on let say on button click
[19:02] <timp> szymon_: true, at the moment it is not working like that. I am working on that and the changes should be in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit next week
[19:02] <timp> szymon_: are you using a Page that has a tools property set? you can then set the opened property of the tools to true
[19:05] <szymon_> timp, yes, I'm using pagestack and I have page in it which has tools property set and I want toolbar to be hidden by default and when button clicked I want this to be opened.
[19:05] <szymon_> timp, when I use opened: true its still hidden. dono why
[19:08] <timp> szymon_: this works for me http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6063776/
[19:10] <jrei> szymon_: didn't helped to get wifi or 3g working - wifi is not asking for a password
[19:10]  * timp gotta go. bye.
[19:11] <jrei> any idea
[19:12] <szymon_> timp, checking it now...
[19:12] <szymon_> jrei, sorry dono how to help you, try #ubuntu-touch
[19:13] <jrei> kk
[19:16] <szymon_> timp, it works just fine... I was doing it different way and it didn't work :D  Thanks for help!
[20:00] <rickspencer3> o/
[20:00] <rickspencer3> so, it turns out that it's not so easy to use a local sqlite database with my project
[20:01] <rickspencer3> how hideous would it be for me to make a huge json file and read that in as a model?
[20:01] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i wouldn't laugh at you :)
[20:02] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, the sqlite dastabase is like 3 megs
[20:02] <rickspencer3> so maybe the json file would be 5 megs?
[20:02] <kenvandine> the real questions is how much does it change?
[20:03] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, it won't change
[20:03] <kenvandine> reading the whole thing in and writing it back out for small changes wouldn't be great
[20:03] <rickspencer3> totally static
[20:03] <kenvandine> great, then that's a great solution
[20:03] <kenvandine> not sure about the size
[20:04] <rickspencer3> I guess I can just try it
[20:04] <kenvandine> you could do your own compression if it's an issue...
[20:04] <kenvandine> do you have your own implementation of a JSONListModel ?
[20:04] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, maybe
[20:04] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I'm more concerned about the size in memory
[20:04] <rickspencer3> and the speed
[20:05] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, no, I don't have a jsonlistmodel, I usually just use an actual json list and it works fine
[20:05] <kenvandine> ah, as an object
[20:05] <kenvandine> i wish there was a JSONListModel in qml
[20:05] <rickspencer3> to get the json remotely you mean?
[20:05] <kenvandine> remotely or locally
[20:05] <rickspencer3> fair enough
[20:05] <rickspencer3> but alas
[20:05] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:06] <kenvandine> just back a listview, etc from json
[20:06] <kenvandine> seems silly qml has that for xml
[20:06] <kenvandine> but not json
[20:06] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, well, like I say, I do that all the time
[20:06] <rickspencer3> just convert the json to an object
[20:06] <rickspencer3> and so long as it's a list, it backs as listview just fine
[20:06] <rickspencer3> as a model
[20:06] <rickspencer3> xmlistview gives you a couple of nice things though
[20:06] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:06] <rickspencer3> one is you don't have to fetch the xml
[20:07] <rickspencer3> just point to the url
[20:07] <rickspencer3> the other is the query paths
[20:07] <clepto> anyone knows what causing this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6063954/
[20:07] <rickspencer3> so you don't have to go: myobj["data"]["list"] or whatever
[20:07] <kenvandine> yup
[20:10] <iBelieve> clepto, I've seen that error before. What are you trying to do in QML?
[20:10] <clepto> iBelieve, I don't which part is causing the error
[20:11] <clepto> iBelieve, I think its causing when I'm changing listview's model
[20:13] <iBelieve> clepto, I don't really know anything about that error, though I remember seeing it before. Maybe look at the code in your list view delegate
[20:15] <cwayne_> hey guys, i tried to click install a package today, and i got this: ValueError: Framework "ubuntu-sdk-13.10" not present on system
[20:15] <cwayne_> any ideas?
[20:26] <mhall119> daker: hey, I'm trying to compile your code on my N4
[20:26] <mhall119> I get:
[20:26] <mhall119> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/projects/rad.io$ cd src && moc player.h -omoc_player.h && cd ..
[20:26] <mhall119> moc: could not exec '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/moc': No such file or directory
[20:27] <daker> :(
[20:27] <mhall119> am I missing a package for moc?
[20:28] <daker> not sure what package you are missing
[20:29] <iBelieve> cwayne_, are you doing that on the desktop? I saw a message on the mailing list with a way to fix that
[20:30] <mhall119> daker: looks like
[20:30] <mhall119> qtbase5-dev-tools:
[20:30] <iBelieve> cwayne_, the command was sudo click install --force-missing-framework --user=$USER ./*.click
[20:31] <mhall119> daker: seems I need cmake too
[20:31] <iBelieve> cwayne_, with --force-missing-framework being the key to your error
[20:31] <daker> mhall119: ya
[20:32] <cwayne_> iBelieve, trying to do it on the phone
[20:32] <iBelieve> cwayne_, ah. Not sure if that would work then, but you could try it anyway
[20:33] <mhall119> daker: I must be missing other deps too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6064032/
[20:33] <mhall119> that's after installing qtbase5-dev-tools and cmake packages
[20:34] <cwayne_> iBelieve, it shows up in click list, but not anywhere in the dash
[20:34] <iBelieve> cwayne_, I have no idea about anything related to running it on the phone, since I don't have an Ubuntu Touch phone
[20:35] <mhall119> cwayne_: did you search the dash for it?
[20:35] <cwayne_> mhall119, yeah, doesnt show up
[20:36] <mhall119> cwayne_: any .desktop file for it in ~/.local/share/applications?
[20:36] <beuno> cwayne_, I believe you shouldn't be installing packages like that, but rather, using packagekit
[20:36] <cwayne_> mhall119, hmm, no there' s not
[20:36] <cwayne_> beuno, hm?
[20:37] <beuno> alecu, maybe you're around to clarify?
[20:37] <daker> mhall119: ok let me try to google that
[20:38] <mhall119> daker: in the mean time, I'm going ot install all of the ubuntu-sdk on my phone
[20:39] <daker> mhall119: do you have make installed ?
[20:41] <cwayne_> mhall119, is there a way to install a click package from software center via command line?
[20:41] <mhall119> daker: I installed it just a minute ago, didn't get me much further
[20:41] <daker> ok
[20:41] <mhall119> cwayne_: you can download the package and manually install it
[20:42] <mhall119> I've done that with `sudo click install` and `click register`
[20:46] <cwayne_> hmm, ill try that, maybe my click package is just borked
[20:46] <cwayne_> seeing as how it didnt copy a .desktop or anything
[20:46] <mhall119> cwayne_: how did you build your package?
[20:46] <cwayne_> mhall119, click build uWoot/
[20:46] <cwayne_> and also from qtcreator
[20:46] <mhall119> cwayne_: pastebin your manifest.json
[20:47] <cwayne_> mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6064086/
[20:48] <mhall119> daker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6064089/ even after installing ubuntu-sdk
[20:50] <mhall119> cwayne_: first thing I'd suggest us making the app name and .desktop filename all lowercase
[20:50] <mhall119> app name being lowercase is required, .desktop filename being lowercase shouldn't be required but currently there's a bug in unity8 that prevents it from working with mixed-case .desktop filenames
[20:53] <mhall119> cwayne_: make line 5 of your manifest.json all lowercase too
[20:53] <daker> mhall119: ok
[20:53] <mhall119> click uses that to build the final .desktop filename that goes into ~/.local/share/applications
[21:03] <cwayne_> mhall119, hm, my d/install seems to want to put stuff in /usr/share/uwoot instead of .local/share
[21:05] <mhall119> cwayne_: you click package? that's not right
[21:05] <rickspencer3> hey kenvandine thoughts on searching through a list of 27,000 objects in qml?
[21:06] <rickspencer3> I'm not seeing any obvious filtering functionality
[21:08] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, not really
[21:08] <rickspencer3> lol
[21:08] <rickspencer3> I'll figure something out
[21:08] <kenvandine> JS...
[21:08] <kenvandine> ugh
[21:08] <cwayne_> mhall119, yeah, i know right
[21:14] <balloons> ping iBelieve
[21:15] <iBelieve> balloons, pong
[21:15] <balloons> can you swing into #ubuntu-quality quickly?
[21:15] <balloons> iBelieve, ^^
[22:14] <cwayne_> mhall119, do you have an example click package i can grab to compare to mine to see whats wrong?
[22:33] <alecu> cwayne_: https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/com.ubuntu.developer.alecu/qr-code/com.ubuntu.developer.alecu.qr-code-0.2.click?noauth=1
[22:34] <alecu> cwayne_: also, you should not be using "click install". I heard it was deprecated
[22:34] <alecu> cwayne_: the click scope installs packages for the running user like this:
[22:35] <alecu> "pkcon install-local com.ubuntu.developer.alecu.qr-code-0.2.click"
[22:35] <alecu> cwayne_: make sure the package name ends with .click and also, don't use sudo to run this
[22:49] <jedidiah> Is there anybody on I could ask a (hopefully) quick qml question about how to structure a query in a XmlListModel?
[22:53] <popey> jedidiah: probably better asking during the European/US working day tbh
[22:54] <jedidiah> Thanks popey :) will try again in the morning
[22:56] <jedidiah> Thought it was a long shot but that I might have a chance of catching someone either physically or corporally in another timezone.
[23:00] <mhall119> cwayne_: https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119/xda-developers-app/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.7.click?noauth=1
[23:06] <beuno> mhall119, btw, that noauth=1 trick expires on Sep 15th  :)
[23:15] <mhall119> no!  you can't take away my options!  Choice..Open...Freedom...why are you evil and hate us?
[23:16] <cwayne_> mhall119, hey, is there a way to force the apps lens to refresh?  it seems to die after click installing
[23:18] <dgalg_> mhall119: do I have to do something to trigger review of my uploaded latest version of Word Chain?
[23:18] <mhall119> cwayne_: I've noticed that too, doing a search usually makes it refresh it's list of apps, but that doesn't help the dying
[23:19] <mhall119> dgalg_: nothing to do, no, just have to wait for somebody to come online tomorrow morning and start reviewing
[23:19] <dgalg_> mhall119: OK. I suppose complaining about a 24 hour wait is pretty ungrateful ;)
[23:23] <mhall119> dgalg_: soon you won't have to wait, but the final pieces of that are still being built
[23:23] <mhall119> so until then we still need human reviewers
[23:23] <dgalg_> mhall119: yeah...I think the error I made was uploading 0.4 while 0.3 was still under review, so 0.3 got approved and no-one noticed that there was a 0.4 too :-)
[23:24] <dgalg_> will review be completely automatic then?
[23:24] <dgalg_> also, if I write tests for my game, will those tests be run by the app store? and run on an Ubuntu Phone?
[23:28] <mhall119> dgalg_: it should be yes
[23:29] <mhall119> the app store doesn't run tests, no, you've got to run those yourself
[23:29] <dgalg_> ah ok
[23:29] <daker> mhall119: do you know if unity8 works on 13.04 ?
[23:29] <mhall119> daker: I don't know, but I don't think so
[23:29] <dgalg_> it would be very cool if the app store ran tests on Ubuntu Phones and didn't publish failed things
[23:29] <mhall119> IIRC, unity 8 uses new libunity APIS at least that aren't on 13.04
[23:31] <mhall119> daker: "Only Ubuntu 13.10 (saucy) is supported as a developement environment." from https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/
[23:32] <daker> mhall119: ok, i can't do a demo with virtualbox because unity is very slow
[23:43] <daker> so i think i need to find a way
[23:44] <daker> to do the demo or upgrade to 13.10


[09:48] <flocculant> sakrecoer: you've no builds on the isotracker - not that you use it much - so just a fyi
[16:44] <sakrecoer> flocculant: thanks! spoke to ross also, he's looking into it. seemed like he got those privs in the end for xenial but he is gonna doublecheck
[19:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: flocculant: About tracker privileges, would be best to add those to our -release LP team
[19:38] <zequence> That way we can administer them ourselves
[19:39] <flocculant> zequence: thought about that after the fact
[19:39] <flocculant> -release team should have permission
[19:39] <zequence> Yep
[19:39] <flocculant> might not have knowledge - cos Ubuntu and manual is missing
[19:40] <flocculant> last seen with Amelia :p
[19:41] <zequence> Right, ok
[19:41] <zequence> flocculant: We have access to some of the stuff for our -release team
[19:41] <zequence> Not for test cases
[19:42] <zequence> In the image you posted, I only don't see "TESTCASES" and "TESTSUITES", but I do see the rest
[19:42] <flocculant> mm
[19:42] <flocculant> something is up then I think
[19:43] <flocculant> I took screenie with just xubuntu perms rather than website ones


[06:34] <bubblehouse> hello
[06:35] <bubblehouse> join /#bunsenlabs
[10:15] <Zak> Hi all. Is there documentation on how Lubuntu is created, using Ubuntu? I just wanted to know if there was detailed docs
[14:46] <FuzzyTheBear> anyone knows a fix to firefox's no sound needs pulse bug ? i can't make heads or tails of it , pulse is installed and working for everything else .. a good how-to will be most appreciated , thanks ... om on 17.3 Rosa
 @FuzzyTheBear, Linux Mint isn't supported here and I wouldn't even recommend it because of the obnoxious amount of security issues they refuse to fix that have known fixes.
 Sorry.
[15:25] <FuzzyTheBear> OH    ROFL     wrog channel   sorry  :)))))
[15:34] <gwyn> how do you set up firewall in the latest version of lubuntu?


[01:23] <linuxman410> anyone here
[01:24] <cyberanger> linuxman410:
[01:24] <cyberanger> hey
[01:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger how are ya
[01:25] <cyberanger> mixed
[01:25] <linuxman410> why is that
[01:25] <cyberanger> working on my older scripts, updating them and such
[01:26] <cyberanger> mixed, nature of the work day I suppose
[01:26] <cyberanger> it's horrible when you feel like little got done, for a long enough day
[01:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger do you work at a computer store
[01:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[01:30] <cyberanger> linuxman410: still do (and elsewhere too)
[01:31] <linuxman410> cyberanger let me ask you a question is it possible to install a commandline system of 10.10 and upgrade it to 11.04
[01:51] <cyberanger> linuxman410: as a command line system, yeah
[01:51] <linuxman410> how
[01:51] <cyberanger> seems maverick to natty as a desktop isn't doable however (just too many changes, breaks too much)
[01:52] <cyberanger> start with the alternate cd, before you select install ubuntu, press f4 and go down to command line install
[01:52] <linuxman410> crap i guess i download a another alternative cd
[01:53] <cyberanger> then, usual steps for that install (which I'll skip for the moment, I think I covered before)
[01:53] <cyberanger> and then the upgrade manager the server edition uses will update it to natty
[01:54] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, cli install is only from alternate, minimal and server discs
[01:54] <cyberanger> not the live desktop
[01:54] <linuxman410> cyberanger does the regular version of xubuntu have a cli install
[01:56] <linuxman410> cyberanger i think they should put that in live version of xubuntu
[01:56] <cyberanger> linuxman410: no, all live discs skip that
[01:57] <cyberanger> aim for a whole lot of simplicity, and I don't quite like that
[01:57] <linuxman410> cyberanger i think they should make openbox version of ubuntu
[01:59] <cyberanger> same here, and I bet two others here agree
[01:59] <Unit193> Who would they be?
[01:59] <cyberanger> you and chris4585
[01:59] <cyberanger> (at least)
[01:59] <Unit193> Would any of them (us?) have time to be testers?
[02:00] <Unit193> And I'm trying to help canthus13 get his setup
[02:01] <somebody__> cyberanger how can my name already be in use
[02:01] <somebody__> i do not see it in list
[02:02] <Unit193> Try to set your /nick again
[02:02] <somebody__> says already in use
[02:02] <Unit193> Ah! Did you identify yet?
[02:03] <somebody__> i am going to restart computer
[02:03] <somebody__> yes it would not let me
[02:04] <linuxman410> i'm back
[02:04] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[02:04] <cyberanger> a ghost command might have done it too
[02:05] <Unit193> linuxman410: Did you subscribe to the Lubuntu-desktop ML? You would know the answer to your question in #lubuntu if you did...
[02:05] <cyberanger> (some oddities occur once in a blue moon)
[02:05] <linuxman410> unit193 yeah
[02:05] <Unit193> The answer is that they have not
[02:05] <cyberanger> Unit193: time, heh, that's always the thing I seem to run out of first
[02:06] <Unit193> cyberanger: That be why I asked :)
[02:07] <cyberanger> but I've been running openbox for awhile personally (since 9.04, under crunchbang, split my own for lucid (forget exactly what I did in the middle, perhaps I did it in karmic, rotten pain) and done that ever sense)
[02:08] <cyberanger> Unit193: so idk what anyone would need to test
[02:09] <Unit193> They are going to make a metapackage/(yet another) respin
[02:09] <Unit193> Full package set et all
[02:10] <linuxman410> cyberanger ever tried fluxbox i like it
[02:10] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, very short while, awhile ago
[02:11] <linuxman410> cyberanger did you like it
[02:14] <linuxman410> i sold 2 netbooks and bought 3 laptops and just got another 2nd chance offer for a 2gigahertz dell for 35.00
[02:15] <cyberanger> linuxman410: idk, I can't really remember (I wound up back on openbox, so I guess something caused me to go back)
[02:17] <linuxman410> cyberanger i may go ahead and buy other one
[02:17] <cyberanger> linuxman410: wow, that's quicj
[02:17] <cyberanger> quick*
[02:18] <linuxman410> i sold 2 g for 75 and dell mini 9 for 140
[02:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger what is quick
[02:19] <cyberanger> your buying and selling
[02:20] <linuxman410> cyberanger i do quick turn arounds
[02:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger is that bad
[02:24] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[02:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[03:24] <vychune> o/
[03:28] <linuxman410> vychune you here
[03:33] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[03:33] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[03:39] <vychune> o/
[03:39] <vychune> whats up man
[03:40] <vychune> linuxman410: hello?
[03:42] <linuxman410> vychune how are ya
[03:44] <vychune> good
[03:44] <vychune> whats up
[03:47] <linuxman410> nothing sold my 2 netbooks and bought 3 laptops and a guy offer me another one for 35 dollars dell 2 gigahertz second chance offer
[03:51] <wrst> linuxman410: here now
[03:52] <wrst> cyberanger: may start over with testing but as far as stable goes debian is wonderful
[03:52] <linuxman410> wrst yes i am here now or do u mean something else
[03:52] <wrst> nope :)
[03:53] <linuxman410> wrst got a second chance offer for a 2 gigahertz dell for 35 dollars
[03:53] <wrst> cool linuxman410
[03:54] <linuxman410> wrst just downloaded a net install of wheezy
[03:54] <wrst> linuxman410: i may give it a go next
[03:55] <linuxman410> wrst have you tried any other oses other than ubuntu
[03:55] <wrst> linuxman410: I use arch mostly at the moment, and on mageia right now
[03:55] <linuxman410> is mageia any good
[03:56] <linuxman410> wrst the only arch i could figure out was archbang
[03:57] <wrst> linuxman410: yes its the best kde distro out there i think well it and mandriva
[03:57] <wrst> linuxman410: arch is really easy if you follow the wiki
[03:57] <linuxman410> wrst i tried that did not work for me
[03:58] <wrst> and when i say follow I mean read it all :)
[03:58] <wrst> but its very good i think
[04:00] <linuxman410> wrst i tried and messed up a couple of times and did not have patience i tried ghostbsd and pcbsd both good
[04:00] <wrst> yeah pcbsd is ok I don't care for their kde implementation and theming, but not as mainstream as apps
[04:04] <vychune> gn
[07:06] <Unit193> Why did ubotuTN die anyway?
[11:40] <wrst> eights: ... aka baytes... good to see you how are things going?
[14:17] <vychune> good morning
[14:37] <wrst> morning vychune
[14:37] <vychune> how ya doing
[14:39] <wrst> good how about you vychune?
[14:41] <vychune> ok things are getting hectic at home
[15:30] <Guest63022> wrst, been better lmfao
[15:30] <wrst> Guest63022: good to see you back
[15:31] <baytes> yea while i got internet lol. phone broke too so im without a phone
[15:31] <baytes> wifey's in ohio, its rough with no communication
[15:31] <baytes> need to find a straight talk phone lol
[15:31] <baytes> wrst, how things been with you
[15:32] <wrst> been good baytes hate to hear all that
[15:32] <baytes> wrst, its life
[15:42] <cyberanger> hey baytes
[15:42] <cyberanger> and ouch
[16:06] <baytes> cyberanger, whats up
[16:06] <baytes> cyberanger, lol
[16:07] <cyberanger> baytes: eh, work, life, nothing unusual
[16:07] <cyberanger> (or is it the ceiling that's up)
[16:08] <cyberanger> fairly good day, so far
[16:11] <cyberanger> baytes: I'd ask you the same, but no point bringing that all up twice, right?
[16:12] <cyberanger> baytes: I'm still using celluar data for internet, btw, namely my T-Mobile G2 and Virgin Mobile Broadband2go Stick
[16:13] <cyberanger> In ways I've gotten to like this better than Cable and DSL, the only downside I cannot work around is I cannot host any servers off it (Carrier NAT)
[16:14] <cyberanger> but I've largely offset that with a VPS from Linode and Amazon's EC2
[16:17] <cyberanger> baytes: I wish you luck in sorting all this out, I've been down similar roads, never fun
[16:26] <baytes> cyberanger, lol yea deff never fun
[16:41] <Xpistos> Hey all
[16:48] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[16:49] <Xpistos> cyberanger
[17:02] <cyberanger> Xpistos: how's it going
[17:03] <Xpistos> it's going
[17:03] <Xpistos> vnc over ssh is good though
[17:03] <Xpistos> I haven't been able to get the browswer working over ssh but I haven't really tried to get it up and running yet
[17:07] <cyberanger> how many tunnels did you setup?
[17:07] <cyberanger> one local tunnel for vnc, I know that much
[17:19] <Xpistos> just the one
[17:19] <Xpistos> I have tried to mess with some others but with no success
[17:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: add a dynamic, (for my example, I'll use dynamic 7077)
[17:24] <cyberanger> tell firefox to use socks5 proxy on localhost 7077
[17:24] <cyberanger> and then goto about:config, checkmark "I'll be careful, I promise"
[17:25] <cyberanger> set "network.proxy.socks_remote_dns"
[17:25] <cyberanger> to true
[17:27] <cyberanger> and, for the final step, enjoy ;-)
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> sorry I've been MIA for a few days
[17:43] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Howdy!
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> had a wedding in chicago this weekend
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> and i had a major milestone in my life yesterday
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> :D
[17:46] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: nice
[17:46] <cyberanger> how'd you like chicago
[17:46] <cyberanger> ?
[17:46] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: fantastic city
[17:47] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: fantastic wedding
[17:47] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: two of my best friends since fall of 2001 ... they have been together since them - though i met them each separately a few days before they got together
[17:48] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: the groom was my roommate for a few years ... and consequently the bride was too ... i love them both
[17:48] <cyberanger> (And I'd bet you didn't even see a 10th of the city too, head to a blackhawks or cubs game, get a hot dog with everything on it (and they mean everything, they only leave out the kitchen sink) deep dish pizza)
[17:48] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we've travelled a lot together and i'm so excited for both of the  (especially her - i've never seen someone so genuinely and deeply happy)
[17:49] <pace_t_zulu> i can attest to the deep dish pizza
[17:49] <pace_t_zulu> the rest of that ... no - my weekend revolved around the wedding
[17:49] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: well, I wish them luck, it's too few nowadays that seem that way (and fewer ending that way)
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i have no question in my mind that that marriage is going to be as strong as any i've ever seen
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: they've been together just shy of 10 years ... hardly rushed it ...
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> i am so proud of them both and happy for them
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> as well as their families... i love both of their families
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> anyway... cyberanger pm
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: howdy ;)
[17:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: cool, sounds like it will
[17:52] <cyberanger> don't see any pm
[17:55] <Xpistos> cyberanger: do i need to open port 7077 on my firewall?
[18:03] <cyberanger> Xpistos: no
[18:03] <cyberanger> it's pretty dynamic
[18:10] <Xpistos> Thanks
[18:10] <Xpistos> That did it
[18:10] <Xpistos> I was putting the proxy info in the wrong spot
[18:12] <Xpistos> Better than a vpn
[18:13] <cyberanger> Xpistos: and in some ways, it can double as a VPN
[18:18] <Unit193> Just doesn't do UDP
[18:32] <Xpistos> and combining my portable putty and portable firefox in my dropbox, I can go anywere at any time
[18:32] <Xpistos> Stupid library computers
[18:37] <Unit193> I use it for tunnels and screen (My irssi session), works great for VNC :D
[20:32] <vychune> o/
[21:50] <cyberanger> Xpistos: and alot of VPN's are IP only (depending on tun vs tap interface)
[22:22] <cyberanger> at least, alot of vpn providers seem to favor just a tcp/ip setup
[22:23] <cyberanger> (aside from DNS & NTP, I wonder how much average tasks even use UDP)
[22:28] <Unit193> I have a few I miss :( but SSH mostly does it for me (PuTTYPortable or KiTTYPortable are GREAT!)
[22:40] <cyberanger> Unit193: why not straight up OpenSSH-Client?
[22:40] <cyberanger> unless your in windows (when I use PuTTYPortable, usually when not at the linux side of work)
[22:42] <Unit193> cyberanger: That was for flash drive. OpenSSH client is lacking is some ways...
[22:43] <Unit193> I like how you can reconfigure tunnels with PuTTY (And OpenSSH didn't clear the screen correctly for me on one server)
[22:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: in what reguards (I've found OpenSSH on par, just a matter of knowing how)
[22:44] <cyberanger> ah, idk about clearing the screen, I get that if networking breaks the connection (for both)
[22:44] <cyberanger> but you can reconfigure tunnels while running, most just don't know that
[22:45] <Unit193> Once you connect, it's supposed to clear and go to the top of the screen, openssh just goes to the top and leaves everything else there (Makes it real hard to read...)
[22:46] <Unit193> I'll have to findout how to reconfigure tunnels >_>
[22:48] <cyberanger> why is it supposed to? Putty isn't a terminal app, so I can't say this is an OpenSSH bug, vs a Putty feature (or a design difference)
[22:49] <Unit193> It clears it for some/most connections
[22:50] <cyberanger> ssh does, or your bashrc does
[22:51] <cyberanger> I've set it from bashrc to clear, followed by displaying the motd (followed by a similar ssh-only file)
[22:52] <cyberanger> Unit193: I'm not one for pointing at manpages, however I must say ssh's is how I got it, really had a bit that seems overlooked by many
[22:53] <cyberanger> and since as I said, I hate pointing at manpages, here is a blog covering the ssh escape modes
[22:53] <cyberanger> http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2006/01/24/ssh-escape-characters/
[22:53] <cyberanger> (and it's fairly verbose, I think I've found some more in the manpages, but that covers everything I've actually needed)
[22:56] <cyberanger> I use it to rekey my connections every so often (despite ssh supposed to do that every so often, kinda nice to force it on occasion)
[22:58]  * Unit193 is kinda stupid it seems...
[22:59] <cyberanger> Unit193: how so?
[22:59] <Unit193> Wouldn't that mess with things you type in irssi?
[23:00] <cyberanger> no, since it'll only do it on newline, and ssh steals it from irssi (the default escape is ~, if you for whatever reason what to start a newline with ~, do it twice ~~)
[23:01] <cyberanger> I think that is the most times I've ever used that char. a tilde I think? (It's used so little, idk what it's called, lol)
[23:02] <Unit193> ~This wouldn't get cought? (Stupid moments I have.....)
[23:04] <cyberanger> to clarify, ~? would (since ssh ties that into a help menu) and ~C would (the command mode) and ~~ would not, nor would anything ssh isn't listening for, on a newline
[23:04] <cyberanger> ?
[23:05] <cyberanger> capital T isn't an option, so it wasn'
[23:05] <cyberanger> t caught
[23:06] <cyberanger> (man, I miss my home keyboard, lol, so much difference)
[23:07] <cyberanger> Unit193: so try with a newline, ~?
[23:08] <cyberanger> if it doesn't take in OpenSSH Client, there maybe a NULL charater in the way, which IRSSI ignores (but still isn't a newline)
[23:09]  * cyberanger admits, it could be simplier, but it is the CLI, some things are a learning curve, I got more CLI time lately, so it's a small disadvantage for me to use a GUI (I can, just not as proficent)
[23:10] <Unit193> I foget about Synaptic...
[23:10] <Unit193> Dang... It does pick it up in irssi :(
[23:11] <Unit193> I have to switch screen windows to get it back... But I guess it does work...
[23:11] <cyberanger> what issue?
[23:12] <cyberanger> (and if it does muddy your window, a few things work, the terminal clear command, refresh shortcut (Ctrl L) and telling irssi to redraw
[23:13] <cyberanger> rarely does it seem to muddy it, but once it did (bad screenrc tried to interject a bit)
[23:13] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[23:13] <linuxman410> cyberanger how u doing
[23:13] <cyberanger> not too bad
[23:13] <cyberanger> how about you linuxman410
[23:14] <Unit193> cyberanger: Thanks for helping the town idiot :P
[23:14] <cyberanger> Unit193: when tunneling, if your tunnel is active in OpenSSH, it'll wait on the tunnel (sort of a reminder to me, that Thunderbird or firefox is using it)
[23:15] <linuxman410> cyberanger doing ok
[23:15] <Unit193> I won't have that issue, I have the issue of keeping SSH connected when tunneling FF (Could just be bad software on the other end of this one connection)
[23:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: so I use ~. to disconnect if I can't figure out what is using the tunnel (real helpful if using the remote tunnel, which I did at a confrence, anyone on the lan could use that tunnel to connect to my servers http and smtp servers)
[23:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: what's cutting out, wifi
[23:16] <linuxman410> cyberanger how come when i run whois on you it says secure connection but it does not on me
[23:17] <Unit193> cyberanger: Nope, SSH just drops (can't make it happen right now because the other side DSL modem needs to be reset again)
[23:18] <cyberanger> (and your not the town idiot, we all have intresting lessons we've learned, shared with others, and more lessons to learn, we all don't have a full understanding of linux, too much changes to have stuff set in stone)
[23:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what's your client?
[23:18] <linuxman410> unit193 i have to reset my dsl modem all the time
[23:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger i am on wife's mac running xchat aqua
[23:19] <Unit193> linuxman410: Since it's at the other end, I can't do it :( (The cable one here works nice :) )
[23:19] <cyberanger> Unit193: I thought you were Time Warner Cable
[23:19] <Unit193> cyberanger: I am, remote location is not
[23:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah, Verizon DSL then, I'd presume?
[23:20] <Unit193> Embarq
[23:20] <linuxman410> cyberanger i bought the fourth laptop last night for 35 dollars
[23:21] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I cannot recall the step by step for Xchat, but your connecting to freenode on a non-ssl port (I'd guess port 6667, the usual IRC port)
[23:21] <linuxman410> yeah
[23:21] <cyberanger> for freenode, you need one of two ssl enabled ports, 7000 or 7070
[23:21] <cyberanger> and tell xchat to use ssl
[23:21] <cyberanger> that's why it's doing that
[23:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: at least you keep your client up to date (however it's over a year old, wonder if IRSSI has a beta)
[23:24] <linuxman410> cyberanger i downloaded wheezy with firmware do you think it will have intel wireless drivers
[23:24] <Unit193> cyberanger: How would you know if I do? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: cause irssi hasn't released anything newer than 0.8.15 (your version of CTCP)
[23:25] <cyberanger> but if you want to update your whole system via the CLI, that's it
[23:26] <cyberanger> (or sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade which seems to have better collision protection)
[23:26] <Unit193> cyberanger: Ah, I missed that msg in the status window. I normally do dist-upgrade
[23:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger can u answer my question
[23:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: what message in the status message?
[23:27] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, I am working on the answer
[23:27] <Unit193> [18:22:20] [Freenode] cyberanger (~infocop41@swissknife/adak/infocop411) requested CTCP VERSION from Unit193:
[23:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah, I supress those myself
[23:27] <linuxman410> cyberanger it is 3945 wireless
[23:27] <cyberanger> linuxman410: why such an old version
[23:27] <Unit193> I like to know when I get a CTCP :)
[23:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger wheezy is debian 7
[23:28] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, was thinking lenny, right
[23:29] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what's your apt sources.list have, "main contrib non-free" right?
[23:29] <linuxman410> cyberanger it is version with firmware
[23:29] <cyberanger> linuxman410: If I recall, it does, but I think I had to enable those for better support
[23:30] <cyberanger> linuxman410: ok, I'll lookup to double check, but for what I recall, yes
[23:30] <linuxman410> cyberanger i got net install of wheezy with firmware and fixing to install
[23:31] <cyberanger> linuxman410: say the card again please
[23:31] <linuxman410> cyberanger i am going to do a cli install and then customize
[23:32] <linuxman410> intel 3945
[23:33] <linuxman410> cyberanger it is a Compaq NC6220 Pentium 4 Laptop
[23:35] <linuxman410> sorry it is intel 2200 wireless
[23:36] <cyberanger> linuxman410: ok, hang on (that one I gotta lookup, I knew a little about the 3945 and it's sucessor)
[23:36] <linuxman410> cyberanger it says on compaq site it will run novell linux
[23:38] <cyberanger> linuxman410: your using the nonfree-firmware tarball, or a disc with this merged in, right?
[23:38] <linuxman410> right
[23:39] <cyberanger> then yes, as long as nonfree-firmware is involved, it should be fine
[23:39] <cyberanger> (mine isn't quite there yet, but a usb card is, so I either sneak it in, similar to the nonfree-firmware tarball, or use that card and then add support after install for the built in one)
[23:39] <linuxman410> cyberanger i know it is expermental software but i am not going to use it for paying bills or anything
[23:41]  * cyberanger wishes ubuntu had a netinst image that allowed installing over wifi (the MinimalCD is a netinst disc, but solely a ethernet NIC, no 802.11 NIC support)
[23:42] <cyberanger> linuxman410: really, that's a shame, I use it to pay bills and such (it's quite stable, but I call it testing, forgetting the debian wheezy name)
[23:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: that's a pain, never had much of that issue myself, does the DSL modem handle login and such, or your router (I'm referring to the PPPoE Login)
[23:43] <cyberanger> linuxman410: it is expermental, so yeah, I have plan b in case, but it really seems to hold ground
[23:45] <Unit193> cyberanger: I thought the modem did, but it's in bridge mode and I couldn't access the web interface (It could have been rather picky...)
[23:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: what's the router
[23:51] <cyberanger> linuxman410: looks like my card is now in the nonfree-firmware tarball too, a few days after my last install (Darn luck there)
[23:52] <Unit193> cyberanger: Belkin F5Dxxx, I'm sorry I can't remember more...
[23:52] <Unit193> I know the two I have connected here :P
[23:52] <linuxman410> cyberanger you are already running wheezy
[23:53] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yep
[23:54] <cyberanger> Unit193: hrm, the Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT or Tomato (depending on which I had on a given day) just held
[23:54] <Unit193> F5D82xx
[23:54] <cyberanger> linuxman410: amoungst other distros
[23:54] <Unit193> cyberanger: I have a WRT54GSv3 with Tomato as main and WRT54Gv6 DD-WRT Micro
[23:54] <linuxman410> cyberanger my mom found out how secure windows is not she acess the wireless at a hotel and when she disconneted it say are you sure someone else is connected
[23:55] <cyberanger> Unit193: hrm, wonder if the firmware is causing it, or the provider or the modem
[23:55] <Unit193> cyberanger: Or the building wireing...
[23:55] <cyberanger> Unit193: true, I'd say that falls under provider though (unless your responsable for that)
[23:56] <linuxman410> unit193 my dsl is filtered at the pole not in house
[23:56] <cyberanger> linuxman410: as in somebody else got into her laptop?
[23:56] <linuxman410> cyberanger yes
[23:57] <cyberanger> linuxman410: well, I don't really trust linux at hotel wifi even (just the nature of wifi, I'll lock down everything, firewall everything, and setup a VPN, and still move some data over the celluar cards)
[23:57] <linuxman410> windows was completely updated and she was running a firewall and antivirus
[23:58] <linuxman410> cyberanger i will not even check my email on free wifi
[23:59] <linuxman410> i also encrypt my home directory