[07:05] <sync350> So I've been trying to get back into triaging bugs and such. Came across one that is more of a feature request. Is there a way to mark it as a feature request, or should I just mark the bug as invalid?
[07:06] <sync350> Or I guess maybe mark as opinion?


[04:57] <pleia2> doctormo: great email to loco-contacts
[04:59] <doctormo> pleia2: about the FSF?
[04:59] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah
[05:01] <doctormo> pleia2: If you think it's good, then I might post it as a blog entry for Saturday
[05:03] <pleia2> doctormo: I think you should, loco teams need to focus on practicality (while not forgetting freedom) and I think your team does a wonderful job of that
[05:03] <pleia2> keeping the balance and all that :)
[05:03] <doctormo> :-D
[05:03] <doctormo> This weekend was manic btw
[05:03] <pleia2> I bet! I'm so excited to hear about it
[05:03] <doctormo> But we reached a ton of people
[05:03] <pleia2> totally have to write a post about it for fridge, with photos
[05:04] <doctormo> And there were a load of people who already use Ubuntu, or use older versions, or were saying that their brother, father, friend uses it.
[05:05] <pleia2> cool :)
[05:09] <doctormo> http://doctormo.org/2010/04/03/ubuntu-and-the-fsf-ideal/
[05:09] <doctormo> We actually went round the Artist Ally handing out the flyers, because they had a ton of info about graphics programs which we think a lot of them can use.
[05:09] <doctormo> We got a few comissions out of it too.
[05:11] <pleia2> cool :)
[05:17] <doctormo> Always make friends with artists, you never know when you need some propergander art :-P
[14:54] <cprofitt> anyone seen Vantrax lately?
[15:54] <cprofitt> hey bodhi_zazen


[15:37] <alex_mayorga> Can you help me or point me to the right document, I have a problem when switching users and trying to back to the first one the screen goes blank and never recovers
[17:31] <bdmurray> Are there any known issues with the Beta CD and a nVidia Corporation NV15DDR [GeForce2 Ti]?
[20:55] <alex_mayorga> know issues with brightness levels reseting themselves on laptops with karmic?
[21:17] <tormod> bryce, I wonder about the kwin mesa crash, shouldn't we upload a quick revert-patch while waiting for the real fix?
[21:18] <bryce> tormod, good point
[21:18] <bryce> tormod, any word from upstream on it so far?
[21:19] <tormod> you saw maybe I pinged agd5f about it now, he hadn't looked at it (more)
[21:21] <tormod> a quickfix would be courteous towards the KDE crowd :)


[02:09] <hammerron> Will 32 bit Ubuntu Mate work on a non-pae machine?
[02:17] <atny> hi
[02:27] <gregoirenoire> I am getting this error message when logging in as my default user: "Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning ." It then drops to a login session where I can only login as guest (and cannot get root priveleges)
[02:28] <gregoirenoire>  know my files are still there and I can drop to root terminal using grub advanced options, but I can't get networking to work.
[02:28] <gregoirenoire> What can I do to get my default user's desktop back?!
[02:28] <gregoirenoire> I've spent hours googling and I'm about to back up and nuke+pave.
[02:54] <edve> gregoirenoire: try reinstalling the desktop environement if you are having some issue with it
[03:36] <nickanon> Hello guys! I am using ubuntu-mate 16.04.1 and having an issue. I cannot run GUI program requiring adminstrative privilage. Like when I open Gparted I am not prompted for password and the program doesn't launch. What do you think I should do?
[06:42] <atny> hello
[06:43] <te_lanus> hi
[06:43] <atny> ubuntu
[11:15] <raspi01> I'm a fresh bird
[12:15] <danboid> Could someone running Ubuntu MATE 16.04 x86_64 do me a small favour and tell me what output you get from running 'getconf LONG_BIT' please?
[12:16] <danboid> I'm trying to report a bug with relax and recover not working with UM x64
[12:17] <kicksled> danboid: 64
[12:17] <danboid> kicksled, Yes, thats what I expected. THanks
[12:17] <kicksled> danboid: no problem
[12:18] <davied> I have formatted a ntfs ssd but can not seem to get it mounted
[12:19] <danboid> kicksled, You're running 16.04 x86_64 right?
[12:21] <davied> yes
[12:22] <davied> sorry that should be 16.1 64 bit
[12:23] <danboid> davied, Oh OK. Any 16.04 users here?
[12:24] <kicksled> danboid: yeah, 16.04.1 64-bit
[12:24] <danboid> I tried relax and recover with UM 16.04 last night and for some reason it idetified it as being Ubuntu 16.04 i386 and this caused GRUB instalation to fail after recovery
[12:25] <danboid> So now that I am devoid of UM installs, I'd like someone to check this for me for the bug report to spare me installing it again
[12:26] <danboid> I was using rear 1.19
[12:27] <danboid> It should matter either way as the GRUB install procedure is the same for 32 and 64 bit but tats not the way rear is currently coded
[12:27] <danboid> It shouldn't matter, sorry
[12:28] <kicksled> danboid: well, 64 is the output of the getconf LONG_BIT command here, 16.04.1 LTS on x86_64 archiecture
[12:29] <danboid> kicksled, Ah! 16.04.1 is fine then. When you said 16.1 I presumed you had mistyped 16.10 :)
[12:29] <davied> yes
[12:29] <kicksled> danboid: think you read the comment from davied that said 16.1
[12:30] <danboid> kicksled, Oh gawd yes! That's what happened! :)
[12:31] <kicksled> danboid: hehe, no worries :)
[12:37] <davied> sorry have to go  I will be back
[12:58] <Guest64226> Good morning
[13:00] <Guest64226> I am a new linux user I am trying to connect my linux box to the exchange server, can anyone help me with how to accomplish that
[14:06] <odroid> im new at this OS and my question is how can i hard reset the os, for re install _
[14:11] <alpha> hi guys
[14:12] <alpha__> haha
[14:55] <mestatlain> Hello.
[14:56] <DarkPsydeLord> hello
[14:56] <mestatlain> is the bug of distorted desktop common on mate 16.0x ?
[14:57] <mestatlain> distorted display, in general.
[14:58] <DarkPsydeLord> never happened to me
[14:58] <mestatlain> on which graphic card you're running mate?
[15:05] <DarkPsydeLord> this is my laptop so its a hybrid intel graphics + nvidia
[15:05] <DarkPsydeLord> which its the usual problematic situation
[15:05] <DarkPsydeLord> for freezes and disorted desktops
[15:06] <DarkPsydeLord> but never happened using ubuntu mate so far
[22:40] <octatives> im just here seeing what's new that i can learn from the community; never been in a chat room before.


[07:54] <Guest44795> good morning kilos
[07:54] <Guest44795> hi
[07:54] <Guest44795> hi Researcher
[08:49] <Kilos> hi Researcher Guest44795
[08:49] <Kilos> sorry i was getting sheep to pastures


[00:25] <boram> time is slow. i can't wait for ubuntu 12.04
[00:26] <glosoli> boram: get it now
[00:26] <glosoli> ;D
[00:26] <boram> it's beta !?
[00:26] <mkultra_> so far so good for me
[00:26] <mkultra_> just test it right now, and report tons of bugs lol
[00:27] <boram> i don't want bugs to bite me
[00:27] <mkultra_> they are not too bad for me right now
[00:27] <mkultra_> plus your making sure that bugs not in 12.04
[00:28] <Jeruvy> sadly there will always be bugs, but its a very noble effort of course.
[00:28] <Dmole> boram: use virtualbox so you can time travel to before the bug bit you
[00:28] <mkultra_> essentially yes they are unavoidable
[00:28] <mkultra_> electric sheeps buggy as hell
[00:29] <Dmole> so no one else is having menu bar bugs?
[00:29] <mkultra_> i can never get the rewrite to compile
[00:29] <glosoli> Dmole: what kind of menu bar bugs ?
[00:29] <mkultra_> i have cairo-dock bugs
[00:29] <mkultra_> xfce4-menu works good though, as usual
[00:30] <boram> xfce seem to be quiet these days
[00:30] <boram> lxde is more hot
[00:30] <mkultra_> lxde is fugly
[00:30] <mkultra_> but yes functional
[00:36]  * glosoli happy with default Ubuntu setup
[01:17] <Lirusaito> How would one register a protocol handler in unity?
[01:37] <Sly__> Why is it that 12.04 won't show the desktop in the "Ubuntu" profile without using the guest session, but will in the "Ubuntu 2D" profile?
[01:37] <Sly__> At most, it shows the mouse and you may see the desktop background.
[01:38] <Sly__> Running in 2D, everything is fine.
[02:22] <ghostconn> is it easy to dual boot the new kubuntu 12:04 with ubuntu 11:10
[02:34] <Seiji23> Hello :) after the last update I lost my network card... sort of... I had to enable my integrated one which works fine
[02:35] <Seiji23> Network Manager says Device not ready for my PCI network card
[06:41] <seven1> pangolin
[06:41] <seven1> anyone here have a laptop with pangolin
[06:52] <vega-_> yes
[06:52] <boram> what's that?
[07:03] <jussi> hrrr. How do I use skype in unity? it starts minimised to tray, its not in the message indicator?
[07:03] <tr0n> double click?
[07:04] <jussi> tr0n: double click what?
[07:04] <tr0n> the icon
[07:05] <jussi> tr0n: I can start it. just that unity doesnt have a tray anymore...
[07:05] <tr0n> dash home > search for skype
[07:07] <tr0n> then click on it
[07:08] <jussi> I did. skype starts, but is minimised to "tray" in the settings - but unity does not have a tray anymore....
[07:09] <tr0n> hmm
[07:13] <jussi> tr0n: got it
[07:13] <jussi> see comment 4 http://askubuntu.com/questions/74229/how-to-access-skype-in-unity
[07:15] <seven1> appl/mac is for faggots
[07:16] <jussi> seven1: please keep the comments to a family friendly level
[07:16] <tr0n> haha yep
[07:16] <seven1> i say what i want jussi
[07:16] <seven1> i bet your a fat nerd
[07:16] <tr0n> hahaha
[08:05] <jussi> hrm, is there any way to adjust the size of the unity launcher bar ?
[08:05] <jussi> ie, I'd like it a trfle smaller.
[08:07] <tr0n> not that i know of
[09:16] <psypher246> hello all, has anyone been having issues with the multi monitor setup randomly loosing it's setup and switching back to low res mirror setup. this happens to me about 3 -5 times a day for no reason. It has been ongoing for about as long as 12.04 has been in development
[10:22] <Volkodav> I used janitor to clean up the system and also unneeded configs now I am stuck at grub and it will not boot?
[11:07] <Volkodav1> I used janitor to clean up the system and also unneeded configs now I am stuck at grub and it will not boot?
[11:10] <Daekdroom> Volkodav1, do you remember - what - you removed?
[11:10] <Daekdroom> Janitor was removed from the default install because it was breaking systems.
[11:11] <sagaci> rough cleaner
[11:14] <Volkodav1> Daekdroom: all configs it pointed as unneeded
[11:15] <Volkodav1> I did it from Ubuntu tweak - there is janitor still left there damn it
[11:15] <Volkodav1> all of them
[11:15] <Volkodav1> should I try alternative CD to repair a system ?
[11:15] <arand> Well I guess It would be either the grub.cfg or kernels/initramfs..
[11:16] <Volkodav1> I see grub's entries though
[11:16] <arand> So is there an error then?
[11:16] <Volkodav1> no error since entries in grub are not responsive
[11:17] <Volkodav1> just the menu - it boots other systems though
[11:18] <arand> [E] ... [ctrl] + [X]   on one of the entries?
[11:31] <Volkodav1> arand: have to reboot to try - brb
[11:31] <arand> That should at least give an error
[11:32] <Volkodav1> ok thanks will try now and boot another machine for easier diagnostics
[11:40] <Volkodav> arand: did not work - grub editor opened on e and then closed back to menu on Ctrl+X
[11:42] <arand> Volkodav: Hmm, well, try chrooting into the system and run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc"
[11:43] <Volkodav> thanks
[11:45] <arand> "mount /dev/sdX# /mnt; mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/boot; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt" should be it I think, with sudo.
[11:45] <arand> Omit mounting /boot if you don't have a separate /boot partition
[11:55] <Volkodav> i do
[11:55] <Volkodav> have /boot
[11:59] <Dr_willis>  having a /boot is differnt then having your /boot/ on its own partition.
[12:01] <Volkodav>  /boot is on a separate partition
[12:02] <Dr_willis> then you will most likely want to mount it to the proper location befor chrooting as shown above
[12:08] <jwtiyar> when i need test ubuntu 12.04 in VB gives me http://paste.ubuntu.com/900327/
[12:14] <Ian_Corne> you need to enable PAE
[12:19] <drbobb> hello, the kubuntu alternate iso for amd64 doesn't fit on a cd, isn't that a bug?
[12:19] <Dr_willis> drbobb,  common 'bug' during beta testing
[12:20] <drbobb> not much I can do other that waste a dvd-r, huh?
[12:23] <Dr_willis> i always use usb
[12:24] <Dr_willis> set up grub2 to boot iso file. copy new isos over as needed.
[12:28] <arand> Or DVD-rw ❤
[12:34] <Volkodav> should xubuntu daily built work for chroot or I need to burn fresh ubuntu beta? mine is alpha 2
[12:45] <Volkodav> arand: I booted from alternate cd and it gave me shell in repair system option so I mounted / and /boot and reconfigure grub failed asking if /dev is mounted I mounted it on /mnt/dev
[12:46] <Volkodav> update-burgpc went ok though
[12:46] <arand> Volkodav: You need to mount proc and probably sys as well
[12:47] <Nosophorus> hi, will Mate DE work on 12.04?
[12:48] <Volkodav> it should not really matter if it's xubuntu's disc right ?
[12:48] <arand> Volkodav: Since you need to chroot, it likely does
[12:49] <arand> Also, if you are using BURG, then all bets are off, it's a fork of grub that I know nothing about
[12:50] <Volkodav> it's based on grub and hardly any different under the hood
[12:51] <Volkodav> so I'm better off burning a fresh ubuntu beta disc or daily build and chroot from there? or alternate CD ?
[12:52] <arand> You can chrott from anywhere, doesn't matter, as long as you're not crossing different arches, and remember to mount all pieces.
[12:52] <arand> *chroot
[12:53] <Volkodav> then xubuntu cd should work and it did
[12:55] <Volkodav> the difference is that I mounted / and /boot as in fstab
[12:55] <Volkodav> not on /mnt - does that make a difference if I mount the rest on /mnt ?
[12:55] <arand> Ah, yeah, I re-read your above comments, I was thinking you were saying that you didn't need to mount /proc since it was the same, not asking if the xubuntu CD was ok :)
[12:56] <arand> Volkodav: You need to mount it all in one place as if the "/" was "/mnt"
[12:56] <Volkodav> I got it thanks
[12:57] <Volkodav> except /boot which should be the actual separate partition it is on
[12:58] <arand> You mount the /boot under /mnt/boot along with the others, in order for grub to see it whilst inside the chroot
[13:20] <Volkodav1> arand: I managed to boot with Super grub2 CD and it turned out to be a borked BURG, so I just purge it and stick with grub
[13:23] <Volkodav1> I really though I killed the system with janitor but it's all good
[13:58] <ochosi> humm, any easy way to check why i can't login? (i'm using the same /home as with oneiric)
[13:58] <ochosi> it simply takes me back to the login-screen once i try to log in via lightdm. the guest-account works though
[14:03] <cordoval> has anyone used dotdeb installs for php and mysql and now having problems updating to ubuntu 12? how to proceed? I am getting this error http://pastie.org/3671477
[14:05] <Pici> cordoval: I was under the impression that dotdeb was for debian, not Ubuntu.
[14:06] <cordoval> it is however there is a compile I think and a blog post for that, I did it sometime ago, they have support for that
[14:06] <cordoval> Pici: the need was that the php for default ubuntu packages was old
[14:06] <cordoval> i needed 5.3.7 or something greater
[14:06] <cordoval> however the main thing now is I want to go 12 and i can't, I wish someone can point me in the right direction
[14:07] <Pici> cordoval: Okay, and 12.04 has 5.3.10.
[14:07] <cordoval> yeah that is perfect
[14:07] <cordoval> I want to forget all about dotdeb, please take me to 12 I beg you, can you help me?
[14:08] <Pici> cordoval: You'd need to remove your conflicting packages.
[14:09] <cordoval> how to do that, how to proceed, I think is just the mysql thing
[14:10] <psypher246> hello all, has anyone been having issues with the multi monitor setup randomly loosing it's setup and switching back to low res mirror setup. this happens to me about 3 -5 times a day for no reason. It has been ongoing for about as long as 12.04 has been in development
[14:10] <Pici> The data in the mysql-client-5.5 package that you got from dotdeb conflicts with the data in mysql-client-core Ubuntu package.  You'd need to remove the dotdeb package to continue.  You can do that with dpkg --remove
[14:12] <cordoval> Pici: which one though https://gist.github.com/19bcc24bc7dc61252211
[14:13] <Pici> cordoval: at least mysql-client-5.5 at this point.
[14:15] <cordoval> Pici: if everything breaks i can always reinstall and that is it right? i am just fearful this will not bring up anymore
[14:16] <cordoval> Pici: https://gist.github.com/301d075f720dd1cdac85
[14:19] <cordoval> my knees are shaking
[14:20] <Pici> cordoval: You'll need to remove all of those then.
[14:22] <cordoval> ok i am also told that I need to unlock dpkg db
[14:22] <cordoval> do you know if that makes sense?
[14:27] <coz_> hey guys.. ctrl+alt+del no longer brings up the logoff dialog UI   ,, anyone have a command for that?
[14:29] <rocky> hrm after logging in today my graphics are all wonky, weird graphical effects on an intel sandybridge graphics chip (laptop) ... anyone else see anything like this?
[14:36] <cordoval> I will come back to this another time
[14:36] <cordoval> thanks Pici
[14:50] <Pretto> i am  not able to install any package, always got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/900566/ does anyone could help me?
[14:55] <Rigorm0rtis> I'm installing Ubuntu 12.04 server beta and hanging on "Configuring keyboard-configuration". How can I get past this?
[14:58] <Dulak> Can someone confirm an issue for me?  I used Dvorak as my main keyboard layout, but I keep the normal keyboard layout in second position so I can easily switch it.  Everything is defaulting to the normal layout even though I have Dvorak as the top layout.  This was not the case in Lucid.
[15:03] <Pretto> is there a way to install base system?
[15:04] <h00k> woo, unity is ugly today.
[15:04] <Pici> h00k: today? :P
[15:04] <h00k> Pici: er, well, flickery with Intel chipsets :)
[15:05] <rocky> h00k, yeah i observed the same thing ... unusable, had to go back to gnome classic :(
[15:05] <h00k> I just did gnome-shell temporarily.
[15:07] <rocky> well having no compiz makes it work
[15:09] <rocky> h00k, but it's good to know someone else is having the problem, was worried my graphics adapter was dying lol
[15:09] <h00k> rocky: nah, same here on a laptop and netbook
[15:09] <h00k> both have Intel chipsets
[15:09] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not even going to fuel the fire.... ^_^
[15:10] <rocky> cool
[15:30] <_d4vid> how stable is 12.04?
[15:30] <_d4vid> ready to use=
[15:30] <_d4vid> ?
[15:30] <_d4vid> use for web surfing and play games..
[15:31] <_d4vid> play under wine
[15:31] <MrChrisDruif> _d4vid; for me stable enough, still sometimes do the upgrades break stuff that wasn't broken
[15:31]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't use wine so can't confirm or deny there
[15:31] <_d4vid> ok
[15:31] <_d4vid> who play games under wine?
[15:32] <_d4vid> please tell me how stable is 12.04
[15:32] <bazhang> _d4vid, dont repeat
[15:32] <_d4vid> bazhang, sorry
[15:32] <bazhang> _d4vid, its beta, not very stable
[15:32] <_d4vid> ok
[15:33] <_d4vid> thanks
[15:33] <bazhang> _d4vid, wine questions? apps? #winehq
[15:36] <philinux> _d4vid: It's fine on a spare partition or spare machine.
[15:38] <_d4vid> ок
[15:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know where network-manager stores its saved wired/wireless/vpn settings? and how to get kubuntu 12.04 to display the icon so you cna quickly switch profiles with out having to go to system settings first
[15:38] <_d4vid> thanks guys
[15:47] <philinux> Whiskey`Wonka: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1480826
[15:47] <philinux> I dont think things have changed
[15:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> yay ok got all my old network configs
[15:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> ty philinux
[15:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> now, any idea why the igksudo nautilus /etc/NetworkManagercon isnt showing in the system tray?
[15:51] <n0yd> I'm trying to install 12.04 on a original centrino laptop (pentium-M).  Apparently the new kernel requies pae instructions be built into the CPU.  So when I boot the CD, the kernel won't load because the CPU doesn't support pae.    Is there someway I can use an option on loading
[15:51] <n0yd> the CD to disable pae, or maybe there is another kernel on the disk for non-pae?  It seems it wouldve been better to make pae-enabled an option rather than forcing it on people and alienating a userbase
[15:54] <Dulak> n0yd: that's interesting, I thought the installer detected if you needed pae or not and used the correct kernel, that maybe changed for 12.04.
[15:54] <n0yd> From what I'm reading (i havent used ubuntu in ages, been using debian) the other version of ubuntu did not have it required, merely an option
[15:54] <n0yd> Dulak, i have 1GB on these machines
[15:54] <n0yd> I have 5 toughbooks sitting here waiting for ubuntu
[15:55] <n0yd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[15:55] <n0yd> looks like  12.04 thing
[15:55] <Dulak> I have not tried to install 12.04 on my older machines, they run Lucid and it correctly selected the non-pae kernel for those at install time.
[15:55] <n0yd> sadly...
[15:55] <n0yd> http://askubuntu.com/questions/103280/is-there-any-version-of-ubuntu-that-does-not-require-pae
[15:56] <n0yd> thats crazy, default kernel in 12l.04 requires PAE
[15:56] <n0yd> thatr is crazy, thats killing a whole userset
[15:58] <n0yd> pae should be an option as to not force users that are upgrading with old hardware to NOT use ubuntu.  Besides, most people with a need for PAE are going to be going 64bit anyway, which is gaining in popularity constantly.  So with normal i386 installs already becoming less popular, why kill it even more?
[15:59] <n0yd> The thing that irks me the most is these laptops won't boot from
[15:59] <n0yd> DVD media for some reason.  And I just used my last CD to boot 12.04.  So now I gotta setup PXE botting just to get another distro installed
[16:00] <n0yd> apparently there is a non-pae minicd, but that does me no good with no more media compatible media for these machines :(
[16:01] <Sly__> Hmm..
[16:01] <Sly__> Something about fglrx causes the windows' title in Ubuntu to fail to change title, color, etc.
[16:02] <n0yd> Hmm, so xubuntu reveted back to non-pae? but ubuntu is still forcing it? jeez
[16:07] <trism> n0yd: the non-pae kernel is supposed to be dropped completely in 12.10 (they actually wanted to drop it for 12.04), bug 897786
[16:08] <n0yd> trism, great. thats rediculous
[16:08] <n0yd> Might as well take a ton of current users and count them out
[16:08] <n0yd> That's some microsoft games quite frankly.  Design software so the userbase HAS TO upgrade
[16:08] <n0yd> Lovely...
[16:09] <n0yd> As I said, in 95 percent of the cases where PAE would be needed, most people would be going to 64bit anyway
[16:10] <n0yd> It makes no sense to alienate a bug chunk of the userbasxe when they could merely make it an option, not a requirement
[16:10] <trism> n0yd: there is a bug for similar hardware as yours but it is marked won't fix, bug 930447
[16:10] <n0yd> A machine doesnt need 4GB to boot into an installer
[16:11] <n0yd> trism, of course its not, it cant be fixed unless they include an option for a seperate kernel on disk
[16:13] <Seven_Six_Two> I can't figure out how to get the status of a package that I need (to make my internal mic work). It's linux-backports-modules-alsa-*
[16:13] <n0yd> Simply make the install media non-pae on boot (or add an option in the special options F6 or whatever it is at least).  Then during install have it autodetect if the machine needs a pae kernel because it has 4GB+ of ram (cause god forbid the installer actually asks, it might _confuse_ people? ram? what ram? I dont drive a dodge pickup!")
[16:14] <Seven_Six_Two> it hasn't worked in 11.10 at all (not since 2.6.* kernel was removed) and 12.04 seems to work well for me so far
[16:15] <dell> when is the release date?
[16:15] <Seven_Six_Two> !release
[16:16] <philinux> dell: April 26th
[16:16] <dell> ty philinux
[16:17] <n0yd> 12< year, 04< month
[16:18] <rocky> h00k, don't suppose you happen to know which package is the culprit for the wonky intel graphics issue? so i know when i do an update i can watch for that package to be updated?
[16:19] <jussi> rocky: whats the issue you are having?
[16:20] <jussi> rocky: is it flickering on unity?
[16:20] <rocky> jussi: yup
[16:20] <jussi> rocky: do: unity --reset
[16:20] <jussi> should fix it
[16:20] <jussi> (i had same issue)
[16:20] <rocky> oh cool, gotta log out then, brb
[16:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> n0yd: na you easily boot from usb
[16:21] <n0yd> sigh....
[16:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> use ardu to make the bootable usb stick
[16:21] <n0yd> I cant boot from usb
[16:21] <n0yd> legacyt hardware
[16:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> its /that/ old?
[16:21] <Whiskey`Wonka> i usb boot things that are 10 years old
[16:21] <n0yd> It's a 1.6Ghz pentium-m
[16:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> mmm
[16:22] <n0yd> Yes, most machines that old can boot from USB, these devices cannot
[16:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> eek
[16:22] <h00k> oh really, jussi, I'll try that
[16:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> checked for bios updates?
[16:22] <n0yd> Of course
[16:22] <n0yd> Panasonic has some of the worst support for their devices ive seen
[16:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> joy
[16:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> cd-rw time
[16:24] <rocky> jussi: looks like that did the trick
[16:24] <n0yd> i guess im just gonna use PXE on these
[16:25] <jussi> n0yd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-November/034399.html
[16:25] <jussi> rocky: great :)
[16:25] <n0yd> My plan is to get Linux on these things and give them to a friend of mine who teaches computers in a local high school
[16:25] <n0yd> They are old US govt toughbooks that were declassified and decommisioned and I got them for next to nothing
[16:26] <n0yd> jussi, well, thats obviously wrong
[16:27] <Dulak> n0yd: Lucid runs great on my old machines, if you don't want to compile your own non-pae kernel
[16:27] <jussi> n0yd: I suggest you read the whole tread
[16:27] <n0yd> Aparently all Pentium-M's do not support PAE, not just the 400mhz model or whatever hes trying to say
[16:27] <jussi> mind, tim knows what he is tslking about
[16:27] <rocky> actually that brings up an interesting point... at home i have an old pentium3 i want to use as my mediaserver connected to my tv but i find most recent ubuntu releases are a bit too heavy weight for it... what's a good distro to run say xbmc in barebones mode on ?
[16:28] <n0yd> jussi, Im not going to waste my time, I'm just going to find a distro that works.  Reading about why some ubuntu developer doesnt want to support non-pae hardware isnt going to magically make my hardware work.
[16:28] <jussi> rocky: thats a bit offtopic for  here, probably #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux ;)
[16:28] <rocky> hehe
[16:28]  * rocky wanders off
[16:28] <jussi> n0yd: debian ;)
[16:28] <n0yd> He already wrong in what he says. 400mhz pentium-m? wtf
[16:28] <n0yd> jussi, as stated above
[16:29] <n0yd> Ive used debian for years (since before ubuntu was even around).  I guess I will just have to come up with another solution for easing new users into Linux from Windows
[16:32] <h00k> jussi: worked here.
[16:32] <jussi> h00k: :)
[16:32] <h00k> jussi: huh, I wonder what/why.
[16:33] <Dulak> Things advance.  Change happens, and railing against it is a bit childish.  I think they should have waited till the next LTS to drop non-pae, but that's ok, I will run lucid until EOL and then EOL my old hardware.
[16:33] <h00k> jussi: worked on both machines.
[16:33] <h00k> jussi: thanks.
[16:33] <Dulak> It's an excuse to get new super fast cool computers and push down my existing machine(s)
[16:44] <Dr_willis> There are disrtos with 'low end hardware' being their focus.  - You cant always be tied to the past.
[16:48] <n0yd> Wow, great excuse
[16:54] <Jorky> HEllo
[16:56] <Jorky> I didn't test and use precise yet but I am hoping it will be better than 11.10.   Complete downer.
[17:18] <Dr_willis> You needed better impressions...
 I updated one of my systems to ubuntu-server 12.04 beta, and now cups won't broadcast the attached printers anymore.  I have checked that the cups config file is the same as earlier, and haven't been able to find anything that addresses this issue.  I also created a fresh install of 12.04 and found the same problem.  Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
 I updated one of my systems to ubuntu-server 12.04 beta, and now cups won't broadcast the attached printers anymore.  I have checked that the cups config file is the same as earlier, and haven't been able to find anything that addresses this issue.  I also created a fresh install of 12.04 and found the same problem.  Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
[17:18] <Dr_willis> check your cups logs for starters
[17:18] <shaneo> anyone in the ormond/daytona area interested in getting a release party setup
[17:19] <shaneo> maybe even port orange area
[17:22] <Pici> shaneo: You probably be better off asking in Florida's loco team channel (#ubuntu-us-fl), they've been rather active in the past, so they probably do have at least one release party setup.
[17:22] <shaneo> oh lol thought that was where i was sorry the chan is right under this one
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> is activity-log-manager going to be default in precise?
[17:23] <bazhang> !find activity-log-manager
[17:24] <bazhang> !info activity-log-manager
[17:24] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, see above
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> bazhang: would zeitgeist still be default then?
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> optional right
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> a handy tool it is
[17:25] <shaneo> hey guys does ubuntu by default on amd versions check both 86 and 64 repos or is there something wrong with my sources
[17:26] <Dr_willis> cant say ive ever noticed shaneo
[17:26] <Dr_willis> never really noticed there being 2 differnt repos for the bittness. :)
[17:26] <astraljava> shaneo: By default only the arch that you're running. But multi-arch with foreign arch can be a different thing. pastebin, please?
[17:27] <MrChrisDruif> shaneo; I never really paid attention seeing I have a 64 install
[17:27] <shaneo> ok 1 sec
[17:28] <shaneo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/900806/
[17:29] <shaneo> i guess i could be running 86_64 but i d/l the amd64 iso
[17:29] <shaneo> been running it a long time but just now noticing it
[17:30] <MrChrisDruif> uname -p
[17:32] <shaneo> yup its x86_64 so i guess that answers my question
[17:32] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[17:35] <MrChrisDruif> Every once in a while my internet connection crawls to a hold and my xchat reports massive lag, can someone help me diagnose my connection?
[17:50] <bastidrazor> MrChrisDruif: your tubes are clogged
[17:51] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, how do I clean them?
[18:11] <msch_> hi, i figured out how to disable the super key binding in unity, but is there a way to disable the alt key binding? i want to stop having that "type your command" whenever i hit alt
[18:14] <trism> msch_: you can disable it in ccsm in the unity plugin 'Key to show HUD', although I have heard that may break other things, don't know if that is still the case
[18:14] <msch_> trism: does that also work for unity-2d?
[18:15] <trism> msch_: no, sorry, see bug 947613
[18:16] <msch_> trism: ok, np, glad that it's a confirmed bug. does that mean that it'll be fixed before precise is released?
[18:17] <MrChrisDruif> Not necessarily ;-)
[18:17] <MrChrisDruif> If more than one person is affected it is automatically confirmed on launchpad
[18:18] <fernandocueva> hello I need support for windows 95
[18:19] <bazhang> fernandocueva, pardon?
[18:19] <fernandocueva> you ever heard of the game destruction derby
[18:20] <bazhang> fernandocueva, how does that relate to ubuntu support
[18:20] <fernandocueva> sorry sorry I'll ask differently, you know ubuntu comes with open office right
[18:20] <bazhang> libreoffice actually
[18:21] <fernandocueva> is that how it goes now
[18:21] <bazhang> fernandocueva, what does any of this have to do with windows 95
[18:21] <fernandocueva> that question was for another channel sorry
[18:21] <chris535> Is there a way to setup multiple monitors in Unity without using Twinview from nvidia-settings?  I want the extra control from the Display screens (hide the launcher on my second monitor etc..)
[18:23] <fernandocueva> I just created a plain text document to save some notes and when I try to open it with word processor it is asking me for ascii filter options
[18:23] <bazhang> open office?
[18:39] <fernandocueva> yes
[18:41] <bazhang> #openoffice.org fernandocueva
[18:41] <fernandocueva> cool
[18:53] <fernandocueva> no one is answering there
[19:11] <dansul> hello
[19:12] <dansul> I'm curious and want to install 12.04 as my main os, is it relatively stable for everyday use ?
[19:14] <glosoli> dansul: well, as it is beta, it's enough stable for me, but from time to time some minor bugs occur
[19:14] <glosoli> :)
[19:14] <fernandocueva> eat the damn bug
[19:14] <dansul> i'm convinced
[19:15] <PatrickC> I'm gonna make the move once I get my laptop back working
[19:15] <glosoli> fernandocueva: ?
[19:15] <PatrickC> last time I used 12.04 (a month or 2 ago) I had tons of kernel crash errors lol
[19:16] <glosoli> dansul: for example, my asus laptop even finally got all the acpi keys working, unlikely in any release before when I had to use scripts :)
[19:16] <dansul> PatrickC, did you install it on a notebook or pc ?
[19:16] <PatrickC> laptop
[19:16] <dansul> I see
[19:17] <PatrickC> I know they are still working on one of the major kernel bugs I found as I stop get emails every now and then about it lol
[19:18] <dansul> Do you happen to have the link to the bug report?
[19:19] <PatrickC> probably in my email
[19:19] <PatrickC> does this work for you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/914319$
[19:19] <PatrickC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/914319
[19:21] <dansul> seems to be fixed thanks
[19:21] <PatrickC> I had like 4 kernel crashes in 20 min when I was using 12.03
[19:21] <PatrickC> 12.04*
[19:21] <PatrickC> so I went back to 11.10 ;)
[19:21] <fernandocueva> I'm using 10.04
[19:22] <PatrickC> I have some friends still on 10.04
[19:22] <dansul> can you upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 directly ?
[19:22] <PatrickC> maybe via sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[19:23] <fernandocueva> wans't it distro-upgrade the command
[19:23] <PatrickC> hmm.. might have been
[19:23] <PatrickC> that sounds better then upgrade :P
[19:23] <dansul> without going to 11.10 ?
[19:23] <PatrickC> I think you can.. not sure though
[19:24] <PatrickC> right now I'm booted off of a LIve USB or I would try it lol
[19:24] <PatrickC> my HDD seems to hate me. so trying to fix it
[19:27] <PatrickC> thats better
[19:27] <PatrickC> on the desktop now
[19:31] <oconnore> is anyone else having problems with audio recently?
[19:34] <oconnore> adjusting the volume causes sound to crash
 I updated one of my systems to ubuntu-server 12.04 beta, and now cups won't broadcast the attached printers anymore.  I have checked that the cups config file is the same as earlier, and haven't been able to find anything that addresses this issue.  I also created a fresh install of 12.04 and found the same problem.  Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
[19:44] <doug_> It receives broadcasts just fine, just doesn't send any.
[19:47] <TheSimkin> doug_: i don't quite follow what you mean by braodcasts fine but doesn't send any
[19:47] <TheSimkin> so you have a printer set up, and set it to shared, but other cups instances won't pick it up?
[19:47] <TheSimkin> or they see it but when you print it fails?
[19:47] <doug_> I said, it receives broadcasts fine (i,e. broadcasts from other cups servers) but won't send any related to it's own printers.
[19:48] <TheSimkin> can you pastebin your cups config file?
[19:49] <doug_> I'm talking about the every-30 sec broadcasts telling other systems what printers are connected.  Was working fine until I upgraded to ubuntu 12.04 and the broadcasts stopped.
[19:51] <doug_> I made sure the original cupsd.conf file was still intact (i.e., the upgrade didn't replace it), but still no-go.
[19:59] <TheSimkin> cups behaviour has changed a bit with the new versions
[19:59] <TheSimkin> just pastebin your config file
[20:02] <fernandocueva> anybody knows why ubuntu stopped using openoffice?
[20:04] <doug_> TheSimkin:  Sorry, on phone
[20:04] <mwhudson> so my window manager has died during the upgrade to precise
[20:04] <mwhudson> is this a known failure?
[20:05] <thedonvaughn> fernandocueva: isn't it using libreoffice?
[20:05] <fernandocueva> yes it does now
[20:06] <thedonvaughn> fernandocueva: oh you mean why libreoffice instead of openoffice?  libreoffice is openoffice basically.  it forked from open office when oracle aqcuired it
[20:08] <fernandocueva> thedonvaughn, so open office is not open source anymore
[20:11] <TheSimkin> fernandocueva: ?
[20:11] <TheSimkin> openoffice is still open source
[20:12] <fernandocueva> I want to open a doc file made with word xp and when I try the file comes up empty
[20:13] <fernandocueva> the file uses an avery layout 6490
[20:13] <TheSimkin> try uploading to google docs
[20:14] <TheSimkin> some word files are pretty nasty though
[20:14] <TheSimkin> i get some weird ones at times
[20:15] <fernandocueva> I won't upload this is a confidential document
[20:16] <TheSimkin> you can delete it once you are done.
[20:16] <thedonvaughn> fernandocueva: libreoffice can't read it?
[20:20] <fernandocueva> I tried openoffice from 10.04 I don't have the new ubuntu installed to test it I'll try the live cd of 11.10 if it cans but I'll beat it needs the avery layout
[20:39] <LetterRip> hi all - i just updated and now when i try to update from svn i get 'Server sent unexpected return value (503 Service unavailable) in response to OPTIONS request for <URL>”
[20:39] <fernandocueva> what's 0x83 partition
[20:39] <LetterRip> so was a default setting for svn changed?
[20:39] <fernandocueva> can file system and partition be of different types
[21:20] <LetterRip> hi can someone please test if svn works - i just updated ubuntu and can no longer check out svn from blender.org which has an untrusted certificate
[21:20] <LetterRip> here is the command
[21:21] <LetterRip> svn co https://svn.blender.org/svnroot/bf-blender/trunk/blender
[21:21] <LetterRip> i can't browse svn via chrome or firefox either
[21:21] <LetterRip> the browsers won't let me
[21:21] <glosoli> LetterRip: is there any way to test
[21:22] <glosoli> without installing svn ?
[21:22] <LetterRip> ie in chrome i can't do 'proceed anyway'
[21:22] <LetterRip> glosoli: try pasting it into chrome and see if you can do proceed anyway
[21:22] <glosoli> I can
[21:22] <LetterRip> just the https stuff
[21:22] <glosoli> it loads fine for me
[21:22] <glosoli> have you tried pinging it ?
[21:23] <LetterRip> glosoli: well it works for others in blendercoders channel - just trying to find out if it is an ubuntu+1 issue or what
[21:24] <LetterRip> glosoli: so it allows you to do 'proceed anyway'?
[21:24] <glosoli> using precise here
[21:24] <glosoli> hmm
[21:24] <glosoli> It didin't asks me to proceed anything
[21:24] <LetterRip> what did it show, can you do a screenshot?
[21:25] <glosoli> LetterRip: I just opened that link https://svn.blender.org/svnroot/bf-blender/trunk/blender did I need to do smth else ?
[21:25] <LetterRip> glosoli: what appears though when you open it?
[21:25] <LetterRip> is it ia link of directory structures?
[21:25] <LetterRip> or blank?
[21:25] <LetterRip> or what?
[21:25] <glosoli> dir of structures
[21:25] <glosoli> wait
[21:26] <glosoli> http://www.part.lt/img/da6b727763bdd5cfc29ffe2c5e821a44435.png
[21:26] <LetterRip> can you do pastebin or pasteall i don't have permission to access it
[21:27] <glosoli> http://imgur.com/auAFS
[21:27] <glosoli> do you have permission now ?
[21:27] <LetterRip> ok thanks
[21:27] <LetterRip> so something screwy on my computer only
[21:28] <glosoli> Might be mm or Internet provider
[21:28] <glosoli> with dns caches
[21:28] <glosoli>  ?
[21:30] <itaylor57> yea the latest updates is making my unity a little flacky
[21:33] <imark> is anyone esle noticing firefox not appearing in the launcher when it should be?
[21:34] <itaylor57> no but i am getting screen flickering now
[21:35] <mongo> itaylor57: ya I had to do the unity reset
[21:35] <imark> just after todays updates i cant lock it to launcher
[21:42] <fernandocueva> can file system and partition be of different types
[21:47] <itaylor57> well that is the buggiest i have been in a while
[21:47] <itaylor57> compiz crashing unity flickering
[21:53] <KM0201> poor unity
[21:55] <FernandoMiguel> a LOT
[21:55] <FernandoMiguel> and the Super NUM is driving me crazzzyyyyyyyyy
[22:20] <roasted> hello!
[22:21] <roasted> so I just installed 12.04 from today's daily build and everything looks very gtk2/4.10 era. Any ideas?
[22:21] <roasted> er, I think I know the answer already. I'm using my existing home dir and of course I don't have the theme installed...
[22:22] <mcamaret> i want to install mirall/csync for owncloud sync but the ppa has nothing for precise. what should I do?
[22:24] <log> mcamaret: You could try using the PPA for oneiric and installing it from there.
[22:24] <log> (i.e. add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/zeppelinlg/mirall/ubuntu oneiric main" to your sources list)
[22:24] <mcamaret> i'll try
[22:25] <log> You should add that line in Ubuntu Software Center --> Edit --> Software Sources.
[22:25] <roasted> man unity in 12.04 is a heckuva lot nicer
[22:25] <mcamaret> /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:26] <log> mcamaret: You could do that too, yes.
[22:26] <log> In that case, add "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/zeppelinlg/mirall/ubuntu oneiric main" as well.
[22:26] <log> I personally prefer adding sources through Ubuntu Software Center, as it does that second one automatically.
[22:27] <mcamaret> true
[22:28] <mcamaret> it's actually software-sources-gtk, not usc
[22:28] <log> mcamaret: Hmm, I just tried mirall with that PPA, and it didn't work in my 12.04 installation.
[22:28] <log> Oh well.
[22:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Is anyone else's compiz crashing every time they install something in the software center?
[22:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Seems to be a recent addition...
[22:31] <log> FunnyLookinHat: Try updating.
[22:31] <log> I believe they just fixed that.
[22:31] <FunnyLookinHat> log, just now?  I updated about 2 hours ago w/ no luck
[22:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Seems to be this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/963501
[22:31] <log> Yeah, try now.
[22:31] <itaylor57> yes compiz is having a cow today
[22:32] <FunnyLookinHat> log, kk
[22:32] <roasted> Am I crazy, or does 12.04 comes with gnome shell installed?
[22:32] <log> roasted: It shouldn't...
[22:32] <roasted> I swear I didn't install it yet it's here as an option...
[22:33] <itaylor57> well i dont see any update pending
[22:35] <itaylor57> roasted, no gnome-shell installed here
[22:36] <roasted> wow
[22:36] <roasted> that's so weird
[22:36] <roasted> I went to install it and it said it's there. I was like, what the?
[22:36] <roasted> logged out and sure enough it's an option...
[22:39] <anthropos> if i format a partition myself will the ubuntu installer insist on reformatting it, or can I have it install without doing so
[22:39] <anthropos> (the installer for 12.04 beta)
[22:39] <itaylor57> anthropos, depends on the format
[22:39] <roasted> I've installed before w/o formatting, as long as it's what you need
[22:39] <anthropos> ext4
[22:39] <roasted> I've used gparted to set up partitions, then boot ubuntu and just use it w/o formating
[22:40] <roasted> guys, what are your thoughts on unity in 12.04?
[22:40] <roasted> I used to passionately hate unity but I'm digging what I'm seeing
[22:40] <roasted> dual monitor setups work without raging me
[22:40] <anthropos> I think you can switch desktop environments if you desire
[22:40] <roasted> oh I know
[22:40] <roasted> believe me, I was all over gnome shell like crazy
[22:41] <smw> roasted, I still hate it.  Now I hate that it has the most awesome feature ever but sucks in every other way ;-)
[22:41] <roasted> don't get me wrong, gnome shell is flippin beautiful... but unity seems significantly better than the "wow this sucks" I felt before
[22:41] <anthropos> haha
[22:41] <roasted> smw: I'm not even sure what hud is. can you elaborate?
[22:41] <anthropos> I use gnome shell, too.
[22:41] <smw> roasted, click the alt button
[22:41] <anthropos> itaylor57: do you know if it'll work with ext4?
[22:41] <smw> roasted, and be amazed
[22:41] <anthropos> itaylor57: i.e. not insist on reformatting my partitions
[22:41] <roasted> click?
[22:41] <roasted> you mean on keyboard?
[22:41] <smw> anthropos, I am just now switching to gnome shell
[22:42] <smw> anthropos, but it is still not ready to replace my 11.04 computer with gnome two
[22:42] <roasted> maybe I have to tinker wtih it, but I'm not seeing what it even is...
[22:43] <smw> roasted, the HUD is the file/edit/etc menu at the top of the program
[22:43] <smw> roasted, but no mouse necessary
[22:43] <roasted> oh
[22:43] <roasted> wow...
[22:43] <roasted> that's uh... pretty dang sexy
[22:43] <smw> roasted, and it makes me hate unity much more.
[22:43] <roasted> yeah. I dig it.
[22:43] <roasted> lol why
[22:44] <smw> roasted, I told you. I see this awesome feature and in order to use it I would need to deal with unity
[22:44] <theq_> Guys, could you help me to fix some issue after upgrade to 11.10? People on #ubuntu don't know how to fix it, and I need it to be fixed a lot
[22:44] <roasted> what is it you dislike about unity?
[22:44] <itaylor57> anthropos, ext4 will be fine
[22:44] <smw> roasted, all the above. I want my old gnome 2 back
[22:44] <anthropos> itaylor57: thank you very much
[22:44] <roasted> smw: please don't take offense to this, but I do have a sincere question.
[22:45] <smw> roasted, my desktop is still on natty.
[22:45] <roasted> smw: have you used unity for a length of time with a "sit back and see what it can do" type of mentality?
[22:45] <smw> roasted, yes
[22:45] <anthropos> i tried that. it didn't take.
[22:45] <roasted> smw: because, don't get me wrong, I used to hate gnome shell and unity... I was testing gnome shell before people even knew it was in its birthing stages....
[22:45] <smw> roasted, gnome-shell took much better
[22:45] <theq_> guys... please
[22:45] <anthropos> my body ultimately still rejected the desktop transplant
[22:45] <roasted> smw: but gnome shell grew on me, and now that unity is looking much nicer it's growing on me too
[22:45] <mrdeb> hi
[22:45] <mrdeb> who has 1204 from today
[22:46] <roasted> I do
[22:46] <roasted> installed it a half hour ato
[22:46] <roasted> ago
[22:46] <boram> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/canonical-to-stop-funding-kubuntu-2012027/
[22:46] <mrdeb> is it good
[22:46] <roasted> theq_: what is your issue?
[22:46] <bastidrazor> mrdeb: i have been using the beta since it became a beta. its does well for me
[22:46] <roasted> shut up boram
[22:46] <boram> is this a fud?
[22:46] <roasted> seriously
[22:46] <mrdeb> is it better than 1110
[22:46] <theq_> roasted: after upgrade I've got some services unavailable from localhost, but available from any PC from network
[22:46] <mrdeb> can u close things fast and start up
[22:46] <roasted> boram: Canonical stopped funding Kubuntu, but Kubuntu will remain active, alive, and well. Lubuntu and Xubuntu have NEVER received funding from Canonical and they're officially supported. It makes zero difference.
[22:46] <boram> so it's a truth
[22:46] <mrdeb> so kubuntu is over
[22:46] <mrdeb> is that it
[22:47] <roasted> boram: not to mention, I think Kubuntu only had 1 paid Canonical employee. They simply shifted him from Kubuntu to other activities within the company.
[22:47] <roasted> no
[22:47] <roasted> NO
[22:47] <boram> no for what?
[22:47] <mrdeb> huh
[22:47] <roasted> Kubuntu is not over.
[22:47] <roasted> However, Canonical dropped financial support that was barely existent o begin with.
[22:47] <mrdeb> why dont they stop kubuntu and make unity better
[22:47] <smw> roasted, you need to understand that what the linux world (not fair to just blame ubuntu) is doing is throwing out old interfaces and years of people figuring out how to be productive (and adding of options so people can choose what makes them more productive) and making people just deal with it.
[22:47] <roasted> Besides, I thought I heard Kubuntu just received some major endorsement?
[22:47] <smw> roasted, you can see how this might offend people?
[22:48] <boram> but somebody said it's a fud
[22:48] <roasted> smw: You need to reconsider the "linux world" term there, bro. OSX and Win 8 are going the same direction.
[22:48] <boram> now he is a liar
[22:48] <roasted> boram: because it's not a big deal. Period. It's not a big deal AT ALL but you keep speaking as if it is.
[22:48] <roasted> It makes no difference. None.
[22:48] <smw> roasted, I am most efficient on gnome 2. There are damn obvious features still missing from gnome shell where I wonder what the hell was going through their minds.
[22:48] <theq_> guys... please help
[22:48] <theq_> I'm done in this, need help
[22:48] <roasted> smw: there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the new interfaces. I definitely find myself quite snappy on the old menus.
[22:48] <theq_> sitting here from hours
[22:49] <smw> roasted, I can't see when I get highlighted on xchat in gnome shell. That is probably right now my biggest gripe
[22:49] <TheSimkin> they should drop unity and go headlong into kde really
[22:49] <roasted> smw: I'm just saying, I gave it a very solid shot, and I am easily more productive on Gnome Shell.
[22:49] <TheSimkin> kde is fantastic
[22:49] <roasted> smw: I agree there...
[22:49] <smw> roasted, I don't use old menus, I have gnome do ;-)
[22:49] <roasted> theq_: what is your issue exactly?
[22:49] <mrdeb> why
[22:49] <anthropos> theq_: i don't see where you mentioned a problem
[22:49] <roasted> smw: my gosh gnome do is beautiful :D
[22:49] <smw> roasted, absolutely. And it is configurable!
[22:49] <smw> roasted, I found that I was best when I removed all the plugins and had it just do apps, commands, and calculator
[22:49] <roasted> smw: I've stopped using gnome do since both unity and shell have gnome do-like features built in....
[22:50] <smw> roasted, same
[22:50] <roasted> we use it on oru fleet of systems at work
[22:50] <smw> roasted, I am retraining my reflexes so I click ctrl before pressing enter
[22:50] <theq_> roasted anthropos some services can't connect using localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> address, I have fixed issues in mysql and apache by setting IP in config, but it doesn't work in postfix, courier, ejabberd, bind - I just can't connect to these from that pc which we are talking about, from any pc from network which see this PC I can connect
[22:50] <roasted> we have a heavily customized xfce desktop and everyone loves gnome do on it
[22:50] <smw> roasted, stuff that I would rather just configure
[22:50] <roasted> theq_: have you asked in ubuntu-server? Some of those things you said make my head spin.
[22:51] <smw> roasted, but they have not seen fit to add those types of customizations yet
[22:51] <mrdeb> wow
[22:51] <roasted> smw: I hear ya.
[22:51] <smw> roasted, a new interface like this should have been given years to develop and let people switch over at their own pace.
[22:51] <roasted> smw: I agree, there are certain things tha bug me about the new interfaces. But I've grown to really like the idea and work flow behind them. It ook me a while, but I'm there...
[22:51] <theq_> I would try, however I've got serious headache here...
[22:52] <smw> roasted, next thing I want. the gnome shell cover flow extension to only work on the workspace you are on.
[22:52] <anthropos> theq_, do the connections just time out
[22:52] <theq_> anthropos: yup
[22:52] <anthropos> which services don't work and which do
[22:52] <smw> roasted, these are all things that with time I am sure will be fixed in one way or another. But they pissed off a lot of people in the process.
[22:52] <roasted> smw: sometimes I get heated by it, but then I think about how much better off we are than windows and OSX.
[22:52] <theq_> anthropos: at the moment apache, mysql are working great, but postfix, courier, ejabberd, bind not
[22:52] <roasted> smw: now THERES some companies who sincerely don't give a damn.
[22:53] <anthropos> theq_ is port 25 open
[22:53] <smw> roasted, I don't feel better off :-P
[22:53] <theq_> anthropos: yes, I can use the services from internet, but not from localhost
[22:53] <roasted> smw: I work in a mixed environment, so I deal with all 3 platforms rather extensively.
[22:53] <smw> roasted, I feel like they are stealing interface designs from apple. Especially the parts of apple I hate ;-)
[22:53] <anthropos> are there any errors in your logs that look relevant, especially regarding name resolution
[22:53] <roasted> smw: Linux, despite what ever desktop environment I'm on, is my happy place vs what I'm seeing in the other areans :P
[22:53] <roasted> smw: absolutely disagree there.
[22:53] <mrdeb> yes roaster
[22:54] <roasted> smw: we have more Apple than anything else at work right now. I just don't see the connection.
[22:54] <smw> roasted, when I click the icon for an application, I want to launch a new one. I do not want to be brought to a current one!
[22:54] <anthropos> and does /etc/hosts look correct to you. e.g. does it contain a line like:   <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[22:54] <mrdeb> linux is good and solid like a box
[22:54] <mrdeb> so u can put things in it
[22:54] <smw> roasted, I can name many ways they are similar. Gnome shell and apple
[22:54] <roasted> mrdeb: lol?
[22:54] <roasted> smw: and all through it I'd have to disagree. I have a macbook pro right next to me. I just don't see anything tha screams Apple Apple Apple.
[22:54] <mrdeb> yes
[22:54] <theq_> anthropos: yes
[22:55] <theq_> Login failed for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from MY_IP. Could not connect to SERVER_IP:143: Connection timed out
[22:55] <TheSimkin> my biggets beef with OSX gui is the lack of a proper maximize button
[22:55] <smw> roasted, you have gnome-shell?
[22:55] <roasted> TheSimkin: I agree.
[22:55] <mrdeb> macbook is good
[22:55] <roasted> smw: yes
[22:55] <TheSimkin> it's really silly.
[22:55] <theq_> anthropos: Login failed for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from <IP_ADDRESS>. Could not connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:143: Connection timed out
[22:55] <roasted> TheSimkin: that enrages me.
[22:55] <theq_> for example
[22:55] <anthropos> theq_: are the there any corresponding entries in the logs in /var/log
[22:55] <anthropos> the syslog for example
[22:55] <smw> roasted, do you see how when you start an app on the side bar (that looks very much like the bottom bar of the mac), it lights up underneath?
[22:55] <TheSimkin> finder is pretty annoying too
[22:55] <theq_> anthropos: nope
[22:56] <roasted> smw: my mac dock doesn't light up underneath.
[22:56] <smw> roasted, now click on that icon again. Do you notice how it brings you to the already open window?
[22:56] <anthropos> theq_: can you ping localhost
[22:56] <theq_> anthropos: nope
[22:56] <anthropos> can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:56] <roasted> smw: my mac dock has a dot underneath each item that it's on. nothing is lit up or highlights.
[22:56] <smw> roasted, old ones did. Does it now have that arrow icon to mean it is running?
[22:56] <roasted> smw: how old?
[22:56] <roasted> smw: we have some systems as old as 10.3 at work
[22:56] <roasted> and as recent as 10.7
[22:56] <roasted> all the same
[22:56] <theq_> anthropos: nope
[22:56] <anthropos> does ifconfig lo
[22:56] <roasted> only difference is, older ones are a tiny black triangle, where newer ones are a white dot.
[22:56] <theq_> <IP_ADDRESS> too
[22:57] <theq_> and the server IP to
[22:57] <anthropos> does that look as you expect it to
[22:57] <theq_> anthropos: http://pastebin.com/NHVyaRpU
[22:57] <smw> roasted, same thing. The point is that they took the apple "an app is on or it is not"
[22:57] <roasted> smw: how else would you isolate active vs non active apps?
[22:57] <theq_> anthropos: and whole: http://pastebin.com/yM9WcDmc
[22:57] <smw> roasted, when you click the button it brings you to the currently open instance, not a new one
[22:58] <mrdeb> why do they put apps now into mac
[22:58] <mrdeb> this is bad
[22:58] <anthropos> i think that might look wrong. perhaps it's not being assigned the ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:58] <smw> roasted, a taskbar?
[22:58] <roasted> smw: yeah, because the unity bar/gnome shell bar replaces the functionality of the task bar.
[22:58] <theq_> anthropos: it comes like it by default
[22:58] <theq_> should I change it
[22:58] <theq_> ?
[22:58] <roasted> smw: I'm not seeing how else you'd expect it to operate?
[22:58] <mrdeb> so unity is like mac now
[22:58] <smw> roasted, stealing the interface from mac in the process
[22:58] <anthropos> my loopback shows <IP_ADDRESS> assigned to it
[22:58] <roasted> smw: lol?
[22:58] <roasted> smw: I just had a legit "laugh out loud"
[22:58] <anthropos> your loopback seems to have no ipv4 or ipv6 addr assigned to it
[22:58] <roasted> smw: we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I'm not going to argue nonsense. (no offense)
[22:59] <theq_> lol and here is the issue :|
[22:59] <smw> roasted, when I tell it to open a program, I want a new window ;-)
[22:59] <anthropos> what is the content of /etc/network/interfaces pertaining to lo
[22:59] <theq_> I have set it by hand at it works like a charm
[22:59] <theq_> now tell me please where to set it to be permanent
[22:59] <anthropos> it should have configured properly based on the content of /etc/network/interfaces
[22:59] <mrdeb> what
[22:59] <theq_> anthropos: these is auto generated
[23:00] <anthropos> so it just says auto lo, yes?
[23:00] <theq_> no matter what I wrote there it will clean after reboot
[23:00] <theq_> yup
[23:00] <smw> roasted, they stole the horrible idea that selecting an app means you either want to run it or see the current instance of it.
[23:00] <smw> roasted, for web browsers, terminals, office docs, etc that is not the case
[23:00] <roasted> smw: this argument is as bad/worse as apple's "swipe to unlock touch screen" argument.
[23:00] <roasted> I mean, SERIOUSLY, some things you just can't avoid, yet people default to "they stole it!"
[23:00] <anthropos> are you saying your changes in /etc/network/interfaces are not persistent?
[23:00] <mrdeb> yes
[23:00] <roasted> How else was Chevy supposed to make a car steer? Use a square steering wheel? Use left/right foot pedals?
[23:00] <theq_> anthropos: yes
[23:01] <smw> roasted, what do you mean can't avoid? I want my taskbar back!
[23:01] <roasted> I mean, after all, Ford had the first idea, right?
[23:01] <mrdeb> no
[23:01] <mrdeb> bmw made first car
[23:01] <theq_> # WARNING: Do not edit this file, your changes will be lost. # Please create/edit /etc/network/interfaces.head and # /etc/network/interfaces.tail instead, their contents will be # inserted at the beginning and at the end of this file, respectively.
[23:01] <mrdeb> while blue
[23:01] <mrdeb> white
[23:01] <roasted> mrdeb: which makes zero difference.
[23:01] <mrdeb> then ford stole from bmw
[23:01] <mrdeb> bec they also made better plane
[23:01] <anthropos> my file is different on this computer, but it is a different distribution.
[23:01] <roasted> mrdeb: who was *insert second car company here* supposed to do about the steering wheel?
[23:01] <mrdeb> yes roaster
[23:01] <anthropos> do you have the files it references?
[23:01] <roasted> makes ZERO difference.
[23:01] <Dulak> THe first car had a stick that worked like a tiller on a boat iirc, not a steering wheel
[23:01] <smw> roasted, wtf?
[23:01] <mrdeb> no
[23:01] <TheSimkin> software patents are completely stupid.
[23:02] <mrdeb> it means they stole ideas
[23:02] <theq_> anthropos: no
[23:02] <smw> roasted, they removed the old system and adapted the method apple uses
[23:02] <mrdeb> so if bmw had patent, they would make all cars and ford would pay
[23:02] <anthropos> presumably you could create them and insist that <IP_ADDRESS> be assigned to lo, but you really shouldn't have to
[23:02] <mrdeb> do u understand what i mean
[23:02] <smw> roasted, apple did it first and they get the credit for this type of interface.
[23:02] <smw> roasted, everyone else did it differently
[23:02] <smw> roasted, no one else made a car before ford ;-)
[23:03] <theq_> anthropos: what should I wrote there?
[23:03] <roasted> smw: You're looking at such a little thing in regard to an entirely new way to people interact with interfaces and banking it ENTIRELY on it being an Apple clone.
[23:03] <roasted> smw: citing how active/inactive app icons are used and associating them as a complete clone.
[23:03] <roasted> Unity is entirely different from OSX.
[23:03] <roasted> Gnome Shell is entirely different from OSX.
[23:03] <roasted> Any idiot can see that. I'm sorry, but if you fire it up and just look at what's going on, they're both very distinct to one another.
[23:03] <anthropos> something like address <IP_ADDRESS> \n netmask <IP_ADDRESS> for the lo interface, but its a little disconcerting that this is necessary
[23:03] <anthropos> \n is a newline of course
[23:03] <smw> roasted, it is not all an apple clone, I was saying the stole the parts I did not like ;-)
[23:04] <TheSimkin> anthropos: what
[23:04] <roasted> And with that, we'll conclude that convo. :D
[23:04] <smw> roasted, sounds good :-)
[23:04] <roasted> smw: good talk my friend.
[23:04] <anthropos> TheSimkin: this is directed at theq_, whose lo interface is apparently not being assigned <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:04] <roasted> now to get more acquianted with this hud thing..
[23:04] <mrdeb> what hud
[23:05] <mrdeb> do u need help
[23:05] <mrdeb> ?
[23:05] <roasted> uh, no. thanks. :)
[23:05] <mrdeb> ok good luck
[23:05] <roasted> smw: does hud by chance remember items you've selected before?
[23:05] <smw> roasted, no idea
[23:05] <roasted> smw: like, I never use print preview, I just print. I wonder if it'll populate as option 1 instead of option 2 the more I use it
[23:06] <anthropos> theq_: do you have an interfaces.d directory
[23:06] <theq_> anthropos: where?
[23:06] <anthropos> presumably in /etc/network
[23:06] <smw> roasted, I will not be happy until hud is ported to a better desktop ;-)
[23:06] <anthropos> it is mentioned in 'man interfaces', but I don't have that folder on this computer
[23:07] <theq_> anthropos: none
[23:08] <smw> roasted, hopefully I will not start another debate, but I think gnome shell would have been less polarizing if it had been available with the old gnome 2.
[23:09] <smw> ah he quit
[23:09] <anthropos> does your /etc/network/interfaces file also say iface lo inet loopback
[23:09] <theq_> anthropos: yes
[23:09] <anthropos> i don't know why it isn't working, i'm tempted to suggest something is messing up the address assignment after the fact
[23:09] <TheSimkin> was someone actually argueing that apple's patent suits are reasonable?
[23:10] <mrdeb> yes anthropos you do it in etc hosts i think
[23:10] <anthropos> you could try rebooting or removing the address assignment, then doing ifdown lo; ifup lo
[23:10] <smw> TheSimkin, what patent suits?
[23:10] <anthropos> mrdeb: he says /etc/hosts if correct
[23:10] <mrdeb> yes
[23:10] <theq_> -> http://pastebin.com/qhWcJu6S
[23:11] <anthropos> i.e. he says it contains <IP_ADDRESS> localhost, as one would expect
[23:11] <theq_> it is hosts
[23:11] <mrdeb> i mean if you famly control or something
[23:11] <TheSimkin> smw: not sure.. i came in mid conversation, just saw someone saying osx was first and apple owns some idea or something.
[23:11] <anthropos> theq_ you appear to be missing the <IP_ADDRESS> localhost line
[23:11] <anthropos> nm, its there
[23:11] <theq_> anthropos: I have it near other names
[23:11] <anthropos> sorry.
[23:11] <mrdeb>  wow
[23:11] <smw> TheSimkin, that may have been me. But I was talking about the fact that gnome-shell copied quite a few things from mac.
[23:12] <mrdeb> yes
[23:12] <anthropos> theq_ try removing the address assignment, then bringing down lo and bringing it back up with ifup and ifdown
[23:12] <smw> TheSimkin, not that apple "owns" it, but that the ideas came from there
[23:12] <anthropos> see if it's still broken
[23:13] <Pretto> I am having "No file name for libssl1.0.0" when trying to install any package, does anyone knows how to fix it?
[23:14] <TheSimkin> smw: what an absurd way to think.
[23:14] <TheSimkin> smw: ideas are always based on previous ideas.
[23:14] <smw> TheSimkin, how is it absurd to describe features as being copied from mac?
[23:15] <TheSimkin> because two people can have the same idea
[23:15] <smw> TheSimkin, of course. But I was saying they took all the things I hated about the mac interface.
[23:15] <anthropos> i don't think smw is suggesting it ought to be illegal
[23:15] <smw> TheSimkin, I am not suggesting it is illegal, but it is a legitimate way to describe it.
[23:15] <TheSimkin> oh good
[23:16] <smw> they all steal ideas from each other.
[23:16] <smw> but I was specifically complaining about the mac influence because I don't like the mac interface
[23:16] <anthropos> Pretto: you could install apt-file and try to see what package libssl belongs to, or try to use google to this end (if you haven't already)
[23:17] <theq_> Okay, I got thing fixed, thank you guys :)
[23:17] <anthropos> wait, you get this error for _any_ package?
[23:17] <anthropos> theq_ what fixed it
[23:17] <theq_> mostly anthropos
[23:17] <TheSimkin> smw: well, at least they didn't go with the idea that nobody should be able to change their interface that osx employs :)
[23:17] <TheSimkin> smw: do you use kde at all? it's a dreamy desktop ui.
[23:17] <TheSimkin> i won't settle for anything less than kde these days.
[23:17] <theq_> anthropos: I currently leave it as is, I have no time to fix at the moment, because it is rebooted once per year ;-)
[23:17] <Pretto> anthropos: I think I fixed it. Thank you anyway
[23:17] <theq_> however it have fixed
[23:17] <theq_> thanks
[23:17] <anthropos> Pretto: sure
[23:17] <theq_> have a good night
[23:17] <anthropos> theq_ np, take care
[23:18] <smw> TheSimkin, more like "no one is allowed to change to the interface that osx employs and have me use it"
[23:18] <TheSimkin> i hate how apple 'rents' you their products.
[23:18] <Roasted> smw, I'd like to add something that RAGES me about gnome shell.
[23:18] <TheSimkin> they never really belong to you.
[23:18] <Roasted> smw, the printing setup menu.
[23:18] <smw> Roasted, sure
[23:18] <Roasted> It's so terrible.
[23:18] <smw> haven't seen that yet
[23:18] <smw> not been using it too long
[23:18] <Roasted> I have a Konica Minolta printer, but Konica Minolta drivers don't work. I need to use a "Minolta" driver.
[23:19] <Roasted> I cannot select the flipping driver I want.
[23:19] <Roasted> I'm stuck using CUPS @ web interface for any shot of it working normally in gnome shell.
[23:19] <Roasted> Unity on the other hand uses the regular printer tool (same as in gnome 2 etc)
[23:19] <anthropos> similarly, fglrx works poorly with gnome-shell. but i think it's an ati problem
[23:19] <Roasted> yeah, it is an ATI problem.
[23:19] <Roasted> Unity just doesn't utilize the problematic areas of the fglrx driver.
[23:19] <Roasted> Whcih is why Unity is preceived to work better with ATI/AMD when really the driver sucks either way.
[23:20] <anthropos> aside from vsync do you know what other capabilities are particularly problematic
[23:20] <Roasted> TheSimkin, I hate that too...
[23:20] <smw> TheSimkin, right now, gnome-shell needs 3 things. 1. me to be retrained (yeah not their problem. But allowing configuration would be nice) 2. better separation of workspaces. 3. better notification (so I know when I am pinged in xchat)
[23:20] <Roasted> TheSimkin, my boss used to be a huge, huge Apple fan. He pretty much despises everything about them now. He has so many jaw-dropping stories tha have happened
[23:21] <TheSimkin> smw: it has one problem imho, it's not kde :)
[23:21] <smw> TheSimkin, you are not going to like this: http://blogs.kde.org/node/4531
[23:21] <Roasted> TheSimkin, have you ever ran kde on ubuntu? I find it to be quite horrific. I left some free space to run Kubuntu on its own independent partition...
[23:22] <TheSimkin> Roasted: i use kde on ubuntu
[23:22] <smw> TheSimkin, I used to be a kde person. kde4 drove me away
[23:22] <TheSimkin> smw: it almost drove me away
[23:22] <Roasted> TheSimkin, KDE and Gnome on the same OS is really weird. Fonts look strange, etc.
[23:22] <smw> TheSimkin, I have tried to go back since, but there are too many things going on
[23:22] <Roasted> 4.8 is pretty sweet. I can't lie...
[23:23] <smw> TheSimkin, it actually drove me to lxde on arch for a while. When I got tired of it and wanted a real desktop, gnome won because kde had too many fades, moving status icons, etc
[23:23] <smw> TheSimkin, (and I was used to lxde's no nonsense)
[23:24] <smw> I went from gnome to xfce for 11.10 because I lost gnome2.
[23:24] <TheSimkin> i just went back to 3.5.10 for a while
[23:24] <smw> but I kept my desktop on gnome2/11.04
[23:24] <TheSimkin> i really think the distrobution managers are the real problem with kde 4.x
[23:24] <smw> TheSimkin, did you see http://blogs.kde.org/node/4531 ?
[23:24] <TheSimkin> kde 4.x wasn't ready for mass consumption.. the kde deves knew it
[23:24] <TheSimkin> but the packagemanagers forced everyone to upgrade anyhow
[23:24] <TheSimkin> if they wanted till 4.5 or so it would have been just fine...
[23:25] <smw> TheSimkin, we are back to the idea that 1. iterative improvement is better and 2. if you want to redo everything, you need a gradual transition
[23:25] <smw> people need to CHOOSE to switch
[23:25] <k-rAd> is realtek ALC892 supported under beta ?
[23:25] <TheSimkin> well in the end kde 4.5 as more like 3.5.10 than 4.0 was....
[23:26] <TheSimkin> when they pushed 4.x it wasn't even ready for anything
[23:26] <Roasted> hahahaha
[23:26] <Roasted> 4.0 was a really, really bad joke
[23:26] <smw> TheSimkin, people need to also be able to use both at the same time and gradually transition. Then you won't see backlash.
[23:26] <smw> Roasted, actually, I did not find 4.0 that bad...
[23:26] <smw> I left around 4.2
[23:26] <Roasted> smw, people will still complain.
[23:27] <Roasted> smw, whenever we switch software at work, we've given 2 years notice for the simplest of programs. Still complain.
[23:27] <smw> lol
[23:27] <smw> Roasted, fair enough. I still hate the new interface at google ;-)
[23:27] <smw> Roasted, they stole the space for the words in gmail!
[23:27] <Roasted> We told everybody we don't see Apple being in the future of our district. This was a year ago. People crapped their pants. Yet the switch for the teacher systems isn't until summer 2013.
[23:28] <Roasted> Not to mention, we already have Linux laptops for ALL students, so teachers know the flipping interface and have already for a year.
[23:28] <smw> Roasted, the idea is that people need to choose to switch. If they don't choose it, you did not do a good enough job ;-)
[23:29] <Roasted> smw, sometimes it enrages me to the point I sincerely just want to throw their mac out the window and say, too bad. You'll deal with it, and you'll like it.
[23:29] <smw> lol
[23:29] <Roasted> smw, that's not always the case.  I kid you not.
[23:30] <Roasted> "But, there just has to be a way to waste more tax payer dollars so we can utilize this overpriced gear!"
[23:30] <smw> Roasted, I am like that with my taskbar
[23:30] <smw> Roasted, but I believe that they did not need to get rid of it.
[23:30] <smw> lol
[23:30] <Roasted> oh wow
[23:30] <Roasted> smw, do you know what just happened.
[23:30] <Roasted> when you pinged me, I saw xchats icon move.
[23:30] <smw> ?
[23:30] <Roasted> I've been in gnome shell for months. I haven't seen that action in forever.
[23:30] <Roasted> I'm almost giddy to have that functionality back.
[23:30] <smw> it worked?
[23:31] <smw> ?!
[23:31] <Roasted> Yeah, but I'm un Unity.
[23:31] <Roasted> In
[23:31] <smw> Roasted, ah, that makes sense
[23:31] <Roasted> I'm starting to warm up to Unity in 12.04 so I'm trying to give it a fair chance.
[23:31] <Roasted> I'm also in Gnome's IRC asking what's up with those kind of noficiations.
[23:31] <Roasted> and the terrible, terrible printer gui
[23:32] <Roasted> I like how Unity is intelligent enough to know which monitor to open the dash with where the mouse is
[23:32] <Roasted> I like that quite a lot...
[23:43] <Roasted> Where in 12.04 can you adjust certain unity features?
[23:43] <Roasted> wasn't it removed from compiz in 12.04?
[23:43] <anthropos> are you talking about ccsm ?
[23:45] <Roasted> yar
[23:45] <Roasted> wasn't unity's ccsm dependency removed in 12?
[23:45] <itaylor57> no unity still uses ccsm
[23:47] <Roasted> well
[23:47] <Roasted> that sucks
[23:55] <zzecool> is it only me  ? i lost unity 3d  on the latest update im on nvidia
[23:56] <zzecool> for some reason unity 3d fails


[00:15] <elky> who is good at distracting ryaxnb?
[03:56] <Corey> 19:54:16 [freenode]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)] sorry someone else told me to do it, what did it do
[03:56] <Corey> 19:54:41 [freenode] [msg(erik__)] It's an exploit that crashes older systems in some cases.  Randomly doing things that "someone  else told you to do" isn't wise.
[03:56] <Corey> 19:55:16 [freenode]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)] Sorry
[03:56] <Corey> Idiot.
[04:19] <Jordan_U> Corey: Did you ask who told them to do this?
[05:19] <Corey> Jordan_U: No, he quit before I could get to that.
[05:49] <bazhang> * Lint starts to thijnk irc is useless
[05:49] <bazhang> he just never quits with the condescension and mockery
[12:59] <ikonia> Hi Lint
[12:59] <Lint> ?
[13:00] <bazhang> /boot/grub/linux.mod
[13:00] <bazhang> that doesn't look like grub2
[13:00] <ikonia> Lint: Hello there,
[13:00] <Lint> ikonia, hello
[13:01] <ikonia> Lint: I've forwarded you from the #ubuntu channel to the #ubuntu-ops channel so I could have a short conversation with you.
[13:02] <ikonia> Lint: you've been asked on multiple occasions by multiple operators and channel members to stop with the smart/complaining comments.
[13:02] <ikonia> Lint: yet for some reason you keep ignoring these requests and keep doing them,
[13:02] <ikonia> Lint: for example
[13:02]  * ikonia wonders why there is a point to this usless irc channel
[13:02] <ikonia> that sort of thing
[13:03] <ikonia> Lint: is there a reason you are ignoring these requests to stop ?
[13:05] <Lint> ikonia, 1. I didn't said anything about "this" (or any in particular) channel; 2. what exactly did I ignored?
[13:06] <ikonia> Lint: so you're not aware of multiple people telling you to stop making these sort of comments?
[13:06] <ikonia> Lint: is that what you are saying ?
[13:06] <Lint> if there valid offtopic warnings, I obey them
[13:07] <ikonia> Lint: I'll ask again
[13:07] <ikonia> Lint: are you aware that mulitple people and operators have asked you to stop making these sorts of comments in the #ubuntu IRC channel ?
[13:08] <Lint> could I have an example?
[13:08] <ikonia> sure
[13:09] <ikonia> Lint: yesterday in #ubuntu you did this
[13:09] <ikonia> * Lint starts to thijnk irc is useless
[13:09]  * ikonia starts to thijnk irc is useless
[13:09] <ikonia> in that manner
[13:10] <ikonia> Lint: you have been asked by multiple people to stop that sort of thing
[13:10] <ikonia> is there a reason you keep ignoring these requests ?
[13:11] <Lint> I know what I said, I would like an example of 'multiple people to stop that sort of thing'. There's no 'reason' as I don't ignore anything.
[13:12] <ikonia> Lint: you want me to go through the logs and find example of people telling you to stop
[13:12] <ikonia> Lint: is that what you are asking me - seriously after so many people have told you to stop
[13:12] <Lint> if they would ask me to stop in unambigous way, I would stop.
[13:14] <ikonia> they couldn't have asked more clear
[13:14] <Lint> if /em is prohibited feature, please make it clear from the topic
[13:14] <ikonia> no - I don't need to make it clear in the topic
[13:15] <AlanBell> Lint: I think we would like you to be a bit more positive when helping people in the channel
[13:15] <ikonia> you've been given the guidelines many times
[13:15] <LjL> Lint: it's not prohibited, what is not allowed is making offtopic comments in #Ubuntu
[13:17] <Lint> ok, I will not use emotes.
[13:17] <ikonia> that's not what was said
[13:19] <LjL> Lint: also do you find it acceptable to ask whether a user problem is "mental" when they ask for help?
[13:19] <LjL> i know i don't.
[13:20] <Lint> I was wrong here and sorry about that
[13:20] <Lint> *there
[13:21] <LjL> well, there is a simple way to check whether what you're going to say in #ubuntu is appropriate - is it an Ubuntu technical support question or answer? if not, it generally doesn't belong there. of course sometimes one more or less has to stray from the topic, but the feeling here is that you do it when it's not really necessary
[13:24] <Lint> ok I will be more considerate while speaking
[13:35] <LjL> Lint: you're free to rejoin #ubuntu
[20:30] <h00k> !away > rymate1234|mc
[20:36] <h00k> !away > iqpi|off
[21:43] <PerfM> Brilliant
[21:43] <PerfM> So can I like get unbanned from all those other channels?
[21:44] <PerfM> Since it's like Febuary and I did my time.
[21:46] <LjL> PerfM, bans don't expire. it depends on what sort of history is being them. based on the amount of bans you have, i'm personally not inclined to unban you.
[21:47] <PerfM> LjL, I'm a changed person
[21:47] <PerfM> Everyone deserves a second chance
[21:48] <PerfM> or in my case...a 10th chance?
[21:48] <PerfM> C'mon. I'll be good this time, I have no intention of causing trouble.
[21:50] <LjL> you answered yourself, it's not a second chance, it's some kind of nth chance. we don't have infinite time to monitor you, ban you again, unban you, monitor you again, etc... at least, i don't.
[21:52] <PerfM> That's no fun.
[21:53] <pangolin> I came in late but may i ask why you want access to #ubuntu?
[21:54] <PerfM> pangolin, that is a very good question.
[21:55] <pangolin> Did you have an answer for it? :)
[21:56] <PerfM> Of course!
[21:56] <pangolin> Please, do tell.
[21:57] <pangolin> guess not.
[21:57] <PerfM> Because, I want to learn more about the ubuntu community
[21:58] <AlanBell> what country are you in PerfM, perhaps we can direct you to your local team channel
[21:59] <PerfM> Kenya
[21:59] <PerfM> Africa
[21:59] <pangolin> Now you're just wasting our time, again.
[21:59] <PerfM> pangolin, how?
[22:00] <pangolin> I don't believe you are in Kenya
[22:00] <PerfM> pangolin, that's your problem, not mine. If there was some way for me to prove it to you, I would.
[22:00] <AlanBell> we don't have a loco team in Kenya, but there are a number of other teams in Africa
[22:01] <pangolin> anyway, I agree with LjL. I don't have time to monitor your behaviour in #ubuntu 24/7
[22:01] <PerfM> I don't except anyone to do that. I don't need a babysitter despite what you all think.
[22:02] <PerfM> I just thought I would give it one more shot, to see if anyone here changed, but I have my answer.
[22:03] <PerfM> Sorry for "wasting" your time
[22:05] <PerfM> Can I at least be unbanned from -offtopic?
[22:06] <pangolin> thinking...
[22:08] <h00k> PerfM: given your admittance in having an nth chance to behave, I don't have the time to monitor to see if you're going to continue your behavior in there
[22:09] <PerfM> Doesn't anyone believe in trust in this channel?
[22:09] <pangolin> PerfM: we do
[22:09] <pangolin> We also believe in track records
[22:09] <PerfM> h00k, I don't want you to monitor me, I'm going to be on my very best behavior. Trust me.
[22:10] <h00k> PerfM: I cannot do that, I'm sorry.
[22:10] <PerfM> Why would I go through all this trouble, asking continously to just mess it up?
[22:10] <pangolin> because you have done it in the past
[22:10] <h00k> PerfM: I have zero indication that there'd be any difference.
[22:11] <PerfM> pangolin, I also use to get a constant quite in #freenode but's it literally been months since my last one
[22:11] <PerfM> and besides, -offtopic is suppose to be offtopic
[22:12] <PerfM> so the worst I could do is name callings, and I'm not even a fan of that
[22:12] <pangolin> off topic still has rules
[22:12] <PerfM> pangolin, and I will follow them.
[22:12] <h00k> It still has !guidelines, which it has been clear you are unable to follow. I am not unbanning you.
[22:12] <h00k> PerfM: perhaps come back in a week, and we'll consider it.
[22:12] <h00k> PerfM: until then, please /part the channel
[22:12] <pangolin> PerfM: since no one else has piped in. I think the decision has been made.
[22:13] <pangolin> Wish it could be diffrent.
[22:13] <PerfM> pangolin, I expected you to pipe in. Such a heart breaker.
[22:13] <PerfM> :(


[11:16] <irgendwer4711> Hi, I got a general protection fault on boot with kernel 4.10., I can't say which module or feature causes this, but I was able to do netconsole:  https://pastebin.com/H8bGyswD
[11:17] <irgendwer4711> sometimes the boot went good, but often it hang.


[00:31] <R2D2Warrior> Hello, i am getting a connection reset error when trying to connect to my apache server (running on an ubuntu machine next to me) from outside my of LAN but works fine locally. port 80 is open and dns is set up and working. netstat lists apache as tcp6 on port 80. i've researched this a ton with no luck. what else can i try?
[00:32] <patdk-lap> what does open mean?
[00:32] <patdk-lap> if it's reset it is not open
[00:33] <R2D2Warrior> forwarded in my router's control panel to the ubuntu pc
[00:33] <patdk-lap> what does tcpdump show on your machine?
[00:33] <R2D2Warrior> reset?
[00:33] <patdk-lap> you are the one that said connection reset
[00:33] <patdk-lap> connection reset != open
[00:34] <R2D2Warrior> oh really? odd
[00:34] <R2D2Warrior> sorry, how do i use tcpdump?
[00:35] <R2D2Warrior> still new, long time windows user
[00:35] <sarnold> R2D2Warrior: are you trying to forward tcp6 port 80 to tcp6 80? or tcp 80 to tcp6 80?
[00:36] <R2D2Warrior> i didn't forward anything with tcp6
[00:36] <patdk-lap> most likely it's the dual bind ipv6 port 80 he sees
[00:37] <patdk-lap> not ipv6 specific
[00:37] <R2D2Warrior> yes that's what i read
[00:38] <sarnold> ahh
[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:25] <jonah> Hi I wondered if anyone could please advise. I've been in and out of here a few times as I've just built my own server. I'm looking at using it as LAMP apache server mainly to host a few sites, set up some user accounts for them to host a few and also run owncloud. Currently I managed to set up ubuntu 14.04.3 with a RAID10 across 4 x 1tb hard drives. But I couldn't include grub in the raid so that had to be on its own partition on each drive.
[08:25] <jonah>  This boots fine, but I've not really partitioned anything as I would like to for security. I also have a spare SSD which I could use (maybe for Grub?) or could get another SSD later and somehow then add a RAID1 over the two. I just need advice on how to partition everything properly and partition sizes. I though maybe re-do the raid10 as just the /home and put everything else on the SSD with automatic guided partitioning from the installer.
[08:25] <jonah> Or should I do something else? Anyone that can please help, I've read all sorts but in the end you just get more confused and unsure!!
[08:28] <lordievader> jonah: The way you partition your disks really depend on what you want to do with them. This is one of the reasons I like LVM so much it gives you the flexibility to start out with some kind of configuration that may change a lot in the future. Normal partitions are rather static in comparison.
[08:29] <jonah> ok, so from the ubuntu installer would I just partition the SSD for grub (with bootable flag), do a 1 big massive RAID10 across the other discs then click to install LVM? Is it safe in terms of drive failure and also security for a web server?
[08:31] <lordievader> I'd let lvm do the raid stuff too. How does security come into play with raid setups?\
[08:31] <bekks> Wouldnt you need a dedicated log volume for persistent mirroring via LVM?
[08:32] <lordievader> It creates a metadata volume for your raid, if that is what you mean.
[08:33] <bekks> Yeah.
[08:34] <lordievader> For my raid1 over two disks I get two _image volumes and two _meta images. These are normally hidden, but they are there.
[08:41] <jonah> thanks but I'm not really sure on LVM... Do I just choose it at install instead of raid then and it can set up raid still or do I still have to make the raid arrays and partitions first?
[08:47] <lordievader> jonah: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LVM If you skip the Gentoo specifics it is great documentation, for Ubuntu too.
[09:23] <mripguru_> lordievader :)
[09:26] <jonah> lordievader: thanks but although LVM sounds very good for future adjustments to parition sizes etc, I'm still not sure what my initial steps should be with the drives I have to get ubuntu server running. From the installer what do I need to partition, raid or make bootable etc. Or can I just add LVM to what I have already running with my raid10 setup?
[09:31] <lordievader> jonah: The way I have it for my raid drives is two partitions on the drives. The first /boot (raid1 using mdadm), the second is the pv for lvm.
[11:49] <subvhome> hello all… I'm having a bit of a problem with my ubuntu server and IPTABLES. so my server is public facing with 2 network cards. one for LAN and one for WAN. I configured my WAN with 2 IP's lets just say they are <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> … both are pingable from the internet and I have port 22 open .. this being done via IPTABLES. What I am trying to achieve is when <IP_ADDRESS>:3001 gets accessed from the WAN side, traffic should
[11:49] <subvhome> translate to <IP_ADDRESS>:3001 on my LAN side.  I must say that I did not create this server and who ever set it up has been using webmin for tweaking IPTABLES.. so I have been just making manual changes to the IPTABLES rules file located /etc/iptables.up.rules since webmin interface confuses me.
[11:50] <lordievader> !webmin
[11:50] <lordievader> subvhome: See ^. How are your nat tables configured?
[11:50] <subvhome> i agree.. so lets just leave it out of the equation..
[11:53] <subvhome> accept all and postrouting i have masquerade from my wan iface.. please excuse if i sound like i don't know what I am talking about.. this happens to be true :)
[11:54] <subvhome> http://pastebin.com/tF74v9nb
[11:54] <lordievader> subvhome: So you are missing the forward rule for <IP_ADDRESS>:3001.
[11:55] <subvhome> from inside mynetwork if i telnet <IP_ADDRESS>:3001 the connection is created.. when i tried the forwarding rule and attempt to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:3001 I get a timeout..
[11:55] <lordievader> For example I have "-A PREROUTING -i br-ext -p tcp -m tcp --dport 443 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:443" to forward traffic from the 443 port.
[11:55] <subvhome> let me show you what i have tried so far
[11:56] <subvhome> let me play with that
[11:56] <subvhome> this would go right in between line 35 and 36 right?
[11:56] <subvhome> in my paste
[11:56] <subvhome> im sorry
[11:56] <subvhome> above 7
[11:57] <subvhome> ?
[11:58] <lordievader> subvhome: Your prerouting table is empty, it will be the first rule in that table.
[12:00] <subvhome> I don't have a prerouting table.. do i create one?
[12:00] <subvhome> i just have nat mangle and filter…
[12:01] <lordievader> subvhome: It should be there. 'sudo iptables -t nat -vnL'.
[12:02] <subvhome> oh you mean my prerouting chain is empty
[12:02] <subvhome> in my nat table
[12:03] <subvhome> ok i think i understand let me try it
[12:05] <subvhome> ok.. so i see it when i run -t nat -vnL
[12:05] <subvhome> .. but when i try to telnet the connection is dropped immediately
[12:06] <subvhome> is because I have that rule for established or related connections?
[12:07] <lordievader> You don't seem to allow the forwarding of the 3001 syn packet.
[12:07] <lordievader> Also is ipv4 forwarding enabled?
[12:08] <subvhome> yes ipv4 forwarding is enabled
[12:08] <subvhome> check this paste.. its all my rules outputted by iptables -vnL command for both filters and nat
[12:08] <subvhome> http://pastebin.com/xShjYGhN
[12:10] <subvhome> just realized something.. i don't have eth0 let me make that change
[12:10] <lordievader> You have three interfaces? eth0, em1, p255p1?
[12:10] <lordievader> Ah...
[12:11] <subvhome> ok.. so now it doesn't refuse the connection.. but just sites there timeing out.
[12:11] <subvhome> whats this syn packet you mentioned.. i was playing around with DNAT and SNAT
[12:11] <subvhome> but got really confused.
[12:14] <subvhome> i don't see anything in the logs either.
[12:15] <`jpg> Hey guys, I am experiencing some problems building AMIs based on the ubuntu cloud-image AMIs.
[12:15] <lordievader> subvhome: Tcp dump on the endpoint, do you see an incoming connection?
[12:16] <`jpg> Basically I use packer to run a shell script to configure apt and install the vivid kernel etc.
[12:16] <`jpg> However I am running into this: https://github.com/flynn/flynn/issues/1829
[12:17] <subvhome> lordievader: what would be the syntax of that command?
[12:17] <`jpg> I have no clue how I end up with a situation where thermald is not installable given the script configures the main repository correctly.
[12:17] <lordievader> subvhome: tcpdump -i <some interface> 'tcp && port <some port>'
[12:18] <`jpg> Does anyone know if there is anything beyond cloud-init that could be interfering with apt? Or have a link to the tools/etc that build the cloud-image AMIs?
[12:19] <subvhome> i get listening on em1.. link type and cap size
[12:19] <lordievader> subvhome: Do you see incoming connections?
[12:19] <subvhome> i ran sudo tcpdump -i em1 'tcp && port 3001'
[12:20] <subvhome> well thats the thing.. on the destination device.. its really dumb and I can't see if its has any connections on it. i would normally test by telneting to the port from within the local network.
[12:21] <subvhome> now i figure if i don't get the same results from outside my network.. then the connections are not being established.
[12:21] <subvhome> its some sort of handscanner
[12:22] <lordievader> Ah, I see how that makes things difficult...
[12:23] <subvhome> yea … but shouldn't it.. in theory.. that if i can establish a connection via telnet within the network.. a working iptables rule would allow the same type of results from the outside?
[12:23] <lordievader> subvhome: Yes, if the firewall/nat is configured correctly.
[12:24] <TJ-> subvhome: sounds like the device doesn't have a default route set, so only 'knows' the local network
[12:24] <TJ-> subvhome: If it is behind a NAT/router then it ought to be fine though
[12:24] <subvhome> ok.. so we had a sonicwall handling this and it was working a few months ago.
[12:25] <subvhome> and not long before i took over… the sonicwall died and someone created this server to handle dhcp and to act as a firewall
[12:25] <subvhome> which i like the idea over a sonicwall but it did work..
[12:26] <subvhome> i just need to create the rule that if hit a virtual interface ip (<IP_ADDRESS>) on port 3001 it will direct the traffic to <IP_ADDRESS>:3001
[12:26] <subvhome> thats a real lan ip.. and a fake public ip :)
[12:27] <subvhome> now aside from it having webmin installed… the server runs great and i have been able to do great things with it.. but this one has me stumped.
[12:27] <subvhome> and i don't like to use the webmin interface…  so i try to just manage the rules manually
[12:28] <TJ-> subvhome: test if the device has a default route (create a temporary private subnet) and see if it can reply to that. If not, then the device has no default route, in which case you'll have to NAT in front of it
[12:29] <subvhome> the original ip was <IP_ADDRESS> and it is pingable from the outside world.. pinging it right now and also ssh into it right now. <IP_ADDRESS> is also live pingable and accessible via ssh. there are no routes setup on this current configuration.. which is what i am trying to do..
[12:29] <subvhome> i think lordievader was on the right track with me.. what did you mean i didn't have 3001 syn packets?
[12:30] <lordievader> Well your forward table didn't say much about connection to <IP_ADDRESS>, so I wondered if that table didn't simply drop the packets.
[12:31] <subvhome> http://pastebin.com/xShjYGhN from this paste.. i don't have anything in FORWARD regarding that.. so what should be in there
[12:32] <subvhome> all i have is that it will allow connections back once they are established or related
[12:32] <subvhome> which is how it should be right?
[12:32] <lordievader> The easiest would be to modify rule 2 to allow all, not just RELATED and ESTABLISHED. Then later secure this more...
[12:33] <subvhome> if I allow all doesn't that leave me wide open?
[12:35] <subvhome> it worked
[12:35] <subvhome> but i don't like the idea of it allowing all connections..  how can i leave rule 2.. but add another rule to just accept connections coming in on <IP_ADDRESS>:3001
[12:36] <subvhome> to <IP_ADDRESS>:3001
[12:36] <lordievader> Sure.
[12:43] <TJ-> Ahhh, I hadn't seen that info earlier
[12:43] <TJ-> Trying to multitask this and making 70+ apple pies :D
[12:45] <subvhome> ok.. so im trying to add a rule in the forward… to allow this connection and still keep my network safe
[12:45] <subvhome> its not working
[12:45] <lordievader> subvhome: How are you testing this exactly?
[12:46] <subvhome> with telnet from outside the network.. when i remove the established and relative states.. the connection is established
[12:47] <lordievader> What EST,REL states, the one in the forward table?
[12:49] <subvhome> http://pastebin.com/FWK3EqM8
[12:50] <subvhome> this is what im trying to play with
[12:51] <subvhome> lordievader: yes.. when i remove EST and REL in forward chain… the connection is established.
[12:52] <lordievader> Hmm, that is odd. I'd add a couple of log rules to see what is being dropped.
[12:53] <subvhome> im going to take a bit of a break.. and regroup my brain. thanks a lot bro
[16:29] <subvhome> whats up #ubuntu-server
[16:33] <patdk-lap> hopefully everyones servers
[16:41] <subvhome> lordievader: i don't know what happened… it stopped working..
[16:42] <subvhome> lordievader: i guess nothing happened.. i can't even telnet into the device from my lan.. Maybe I DoS'd it lol
[16:46] <lordievader> subvhome: Restart the device?
[16:47] <subvhome> yea.. i gotta call someone in cali for that.. no big deal. I guess learning the fundamentals of establishing a link to the device was learned. I'm going to setup an ftp server on machine and attempt to do the same thing.
[16:48] <subvhome> my goal now will be not to have my FORWARD chain so unprotected
[17:31] <lordievader> Err, ftp?
[17:31] <lordievader> Don't use ftp...
[18:14] <subvhome> lordievader: i figured that you mean there are too many ports involved lol..brb
[18:15] <lordievader> No... ftp is old, insecure, crap and shouldn't be used.
[18:16] <lordievader> Ftps is slighly better, but from what I hear, hell to set up. sftp is a lot better. But I'd go with scp over (s)ftp(s) any day.
[18:23] <RoyK> lordievader: ftps doesn't work with nat, though
[18:23] <lordievader> Another reason not to use it ;)
[18:23] <RoyK> lordievader: and scp is like sftp
[18:24] <RoyK> or rsync over ssh
[18:24] <lordievader> I know ;)
[18:25] <RoyK> ftp hands over ports and ip addresses in L7, so if it's encrypted, the NAT router can't figure out which ports to open
[19:07] <Delemas> Just upgraded a server to 15.10.  Somehow ssl_module wasn't being loaded after upgrade.
[20:58] <subvhome> having a hard time with this.. so i setup a webserver and I am able to access it from a specific public IP and forwards to a specific server hosting the http site.. but only if I allow all forwarding packets from WAN to LAN in my IPTABLES… i want to still be able to only allow EST and REL connections in my forwarding chain … how can i do this…  here are my iptables -vnL outputs and my rules (I've masked my IP)
[20:59] <subvhome> http://pastebin.com/3R7UfEfE
[20:59] <subvhome> in the FORWARD chain, i want to not have to remove REL and EST
[21:01] <subvhome> lordievader: I want to thank you.. you have given me a lot of insight and I actually managed to accomplish something I have been trying to figure out for about a week. I feel like removing the REL and EST states leaves my system vulernable.
[21:32] <Seveas> subvhome: you don't have to remove the related/established rules, but you will have to add a port 800 rule
[21:32] <Seveas> 8000*
[21:32] <Seveas> something like iptables -A FORWARD -o p255p1 -i em1 -p tcp --dport 8000 -j ACCEPT
[21:33] <Seveas> the input chain is not used for that traffic, as you can see by that counter being 0
[22:03] <subvhome> thanks for that.. i will look into it...
[22:37] <subvhome> Seveas: brilliant