[09:54] <macogw> *responds
[09:54] <jmg> no?
[09:54] <jmg> haha
[09:54] <jmg> where is it?
[09:54] <macogw> and if you sudo it...
[09:54] <jmg> it says OK?
[09:55] <macogw> http://colbyframeco.com/~maco/nix/sandwich.tar.gz
[09:55] <macogw> if you just untar it you'd do ./make me a sandwich
[09:55] <macogw> if you put it in /usr/local/bin, you don't need the ./
[09:55] <GNine> ok.. i have "something" going on.. some desktop effects kicked in.. but terminal is throwing a "...pager needs to be fixed" message now
[09:56] <macogw> GNine: are you unable to see the whole message? you can cat it to a file and then less it
[09:57] <GNine> "meta-window-activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp"
[09:58] <GNine> thats coming from the window-manager
[10:06] <Blackgoth> musikgoat: thats the dir :)
[10:07] <GNine> Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3800020 (Terminal -) is the issue now..   :-/
[10:07] <Blackgoth> :P
[10:07] <tekhawk> anyone here work with java
[10:08] <RAOF> GNine: You don't really need to worry about that.  That's just compiz complaining about buggy programs.
[10:08] <tekhawk> trying to figure out why i cant run a simple print class without Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: poping u
[10:08] <tekhawk> upo
[10:09] <GNine> looked pretty alarming on the terminal window.   and its just looping ...
[10:09] <Blackgoth> Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: XML declaration not well-formed
[10:09] <Blackgoth> are you getting that too?
[10:10] <GNine> ok.. so i pulled the compiz manager .. all i have to do now is click away on the features?
[10:12] <cellojoe> who wants to say my nick so i can test a setting?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: not me
[10:13] <cellojoe> muuuuuch better. no more libnotify errors :) thanks
[10:13] <cellojoe> i probably should've fixed libnotify, but instead i just disabled it
[10:14] <RAOF> cellojoe: I believe just installing libnotify-bin would have fixed it for you
[10:15] <cellojoe> hm... in the repos?
[10:15] <RAOF> Yes.
[10:15] <Creationist> I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy.  Can anyone tell me why, all of a sudden, my ability to "Switch User' has completely disappeared?
[10:15] <tekhawk> anyone know if there is any post apt stuff needed to get JDK working
[10:16] <cellojoe> RAOF: it's already installed
[10:18] <RAOF> cellojoe: Ah.  Well, then...
[10:18] <cellojoe> heh, thanks tho
[10:19] <cellojoe> libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[10:19] <cellojoe> that's what it'd say
[10:19] <RAOF> Ah, right.  It's a problem *in* libnotify-bin.  Or rather, a problem finding the session bus.
[10:19] <cellojoe> that is... using irssi in screen thru ssh
[10:20] <RAOF> As am I.
[10:20] <cellojoe> s'the only way to do it
[10:20] <cellojoe> how did we ever get by w/o screen?
[10:21] <cellojoe> anyway, i'm off.
[10:22] <Creationist> !iirc
[10:22] <ubotu> IIRC means "if I remember correctly"
[10:23] <cellojoe> @chuck
[10:23] <cellojoe> awww
[10:23] <GNine> as soon as i closed the terminal window compiz crashed my whole system
[10:23] <Creationist> hmm... I really need to leave my session open and allow others to login, but the "Switch user" option has disappeared.... anyone know how I can do this?
[10:23] <GNine> i had to fix xorg
[10:25] <GNine> and i had lost my borders right before the crash too
[10:25] <RAOF> GNine: Yes, that'll happen :).  Becuase closing the terminal window closed compiz, so you didn't have a window manager.
[10:25] <tux_fl> anyone know about the dhcp bug in gutsy?
[10:26] <GNine> so whats the advanced desktop effects settings
[10:27] <GNine> how do i "get" the window manager
[10:29] <GNine> am getting a s*** load of updates just now
[10:31] <Blackgoth> shooo!
[10:31] <Blackgoth> :P
[10:31] <tiger_>  hi there, conky shows 100% cpu usage all the time on my amd turion machine.However, both top and ps aux show normal cpu activities ?
[10:35] <Eq|work> then conky is wrong.
[10:36] <Blackgoth> conky is WORNG!
[10:36] <Blackgoth> sorry, tad too mutch 4chan
[10:36] <tiger_> :d yes, I know that. But is there any workaround or at least known bug
[10:37] <Blackgoth> tiger_: ill install conky on my laptop, just a sec
[10:39] <Blackgoth> tiger_: must be something you did, works fine here :P
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[10:42] (Blackgoth/#ubuntu+1) tiger_: I have 2 dualcores here, without a problem
[10:43] (tiger_/#ubuntu+1) Gutsy/amd64 on an amd machine ?
[10:43] (Blackgoth/#ubuntu+1) yes
[10:43] <Blackgoth> Linux heavy 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model		: 67
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model		: 67
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
[10:44] <Blackgoth> :>
[10:44] <tiger_> hehe . Then it is something personal with conky.
[10:45] <tiger_> anyhow, I will look for another system monitor. Thanks ;)
[10:46] <Vhata> update-manager -d is giving me MD5Sum mismatch errors on Packages.bz2 - how long should I wait before retrying?
[11:17] <aldanon> anyone here good at creating drivers?
[11:17] <aldanon> i'm trying to setup the new 64bit x-fi drivers with no joy
[11:17] <jmg> heh
[11:17] <aldanon> uh oh that didnt sound good hehe
[11:18] <jmg> file a bug
[11:18] <aldanon> i know compiling drivers isn't fun
[11:18] <jmg> against alsa]
[11:18] <aldanon> usr13 filling you in? ;)
[11:19] <usr13> He's done ok up until make
[11:19] <usr13> WARNING: Error inserting haxfi
[11:19] <usr13> FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa
[11:19] <jmg> Er..
[11:20] <Eq|work> that sounds like it's built fine..
[11:20] <Eq|work> has depmod been run since inserting the modules into /lib/modules ?
[11:20] <Eq|work> and what does dmesg say about that?
[11:20] <aldanon> here's the directions i'm following http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-587921.html
[11:20] <usr13> He  is using instructions at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-587921.html
[11:21] <usr13> aldanon: Yea, run depmod -a   (again)
[11:21] <aldanon> permission denied
[11:21] <usr13> sudo depmod -a
[11:22] <usr13> make
[11:22] <aldanon> back to prompt, no errors
[11:22] <usr13> make install
[11:22] <aldanon> warning "interlockedincrement" dedfined
[11:22] <usr13> run make again [first]
[11:22] <aldanon> is the long and short of it
[11:23] <aldanon> err *undefined
[11:23] <usr13> interlockedincrement" dedfined
[11:23] <usr13> ?
[11:23] <aldanon> WARNING: "InterlockedIncrement" [/home/stragee/temp/XFiDrv_Linux_US-1.04/src/plugins/cthwiut/cthwiut.ko]  undefined!
[11:23] <aldanon> tons of those messages referring to different plugins
[11:24] <jtmoney> how do i enable compiz in kubuntu gutsy?
[11:25] <aldanon> any thoughts Eq|work?
[11:26] <stdin> jtmoney: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion just ignore the repositories part
[11:27] <aldanon> usr13?
[11:27] <xst> Where do I enable desktop effects in gutsy?
[11:27] <aldanon> i guess this is starting to look like a no-win  eh?
[11:27] <stdin> xst: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion just ignore the repositories part
[11:27] <Vhata> when I run update-manager -d to upgrade to gutsy, it creates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list which has "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main/debian-installer" hardcoded in it (I'm not even in the USA), and this repository gives me MD5Sum mismatch errors which means I can't upgrade to gutsy - anybody got any ideas?
[11:28] <aldanon> any compiling wizards here? ;)
[11:28] <jtmoney> okay, i see that the package compiz isn't even installed... isn't there some way to just check a box and have it installed/enabled?
[11:28] <xst> I thought compiz was part of gutsy. Isn't it that?
[11:29] <xst> Part of the standard installation, I mean
[11:29] <jtmoney> yeah, exactly
[11:29] <jtmoney> well, i just installed beta from scratch and it wasn't included
[11:29] <jtmoney> then again, i had to enable fglrx after the install
[11:31] <aldanon> usr13: i think i found something ;)
[11:31] <Eq|work> aldanon : is it just warnings, or are there errors?
[11:31] <Eq|work> warnings you can ignore.
[11:32] <Eq|work> (usually)
[11:32] <aldanon> eqlwork would you mind checking this page for me?
[11:32] <aldanon> it might be my answer but i dont understand it
[11:32] <Eq|work> can probably try
[11:33] <aldanon> halfway down the page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3453210
[11:33] <aldanon> waldorsockbat talked about ctsound-script and ript out the offending piece of code
[11:33] <aldanon> i'm getting the same error as him
[11:35] <Eq|work> aldanon : just to confirm, when trying to load the module you get 'Unknown kernel version. Exit...' ?
[11:35] <aldanon> err actually no
[11:36] <aldanon> if you scroll up 1 post, you'll see the error i'm getting
[11:36] <aldanon> FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctalsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[11:36] <Eq|work> that's after doing make install, yeah?
[11:37] <aldanon> correct
[11:37] <Eq|work> what are you running to get that to happen?
[11:37] <aldanon> ?
[11:38] <Eq|work> is that happening as part of make install?
[11:38] <Eq|work> or through something else?
[11:38] <aldanon> right, after i type make install, it get a long list of messages ending with that one
[11:38] <Eq|work> ok
[11:38] <Eq|work> sudo depmod -a; sudo modprobe ctalsa
[11:39] <aldanon> FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctalsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[11:39] <Eq|work> dmesg | tail
[11:39] <jmg>  what does dmesg say?
[11:40] <aldanon> i suppose i shouldnt paste all of that heh
[11:40] <Eq|work> pastebin
[11:40] <Eq|work> but even then, no
[11:40] <jmg> just the relevant part
[11:40] <aldanon> not sure how to pastebin
[11:40] <aldanon> sorry ;/
[11:40] <jmg> pastebin.org
[11:40] <jmg> !pastebin > aldanon
[11:41] <aldanon> http://www.pastebin.org/3988
[11:42] <Eq|work> is that all there is about the ctalsa stuff?
[11:42] <jmg> looks like you are building against the wrong kernel source or something
[11:42] <aldanon> that's the result of dmesg | tail
[11:42] <Eq|work> aldanon : can you do dmesg normally, and check that?
[11:42] <aldanon> i'm running 7.10
[11:43] <Eq|work> however it does look like it's down to a single unknown symbol..
[11:43] <aldanon> just type dmesg?
[11:43] <jmg> crimsun: what do you make of http://www.pastebin.org/3988
[11:43] <Eq|work> aldanon : yeah
[11:44] <Eq|work> then check the end of it
[11:44] <Eq|work> for ctalsa stuff..
[11:45] <Eq|work> I think the problem is that the Ubuntu v7.10 kernel is compiled to use SLUB and not SLAB because malloc_sizes is not included in SLUB but in SLAB.
[11:45] <aldanon> http://www.pastebin.org/3989
[11:45] <Eq|work> from a quick google
[11:45] <Eq|work> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4289942.html?sid=90ecb60103d3e535d1ee6eb709a58aed#4289942
[11:46] <Eq|work> file a bug against the kernel
[11:46] <aldanon> slab and slub? heh
[11:47] <Eq|work> yeah, doesn't mean a huge amount to me either
[11:47] <Eq|work> and i've been compiling kernels for 7 years..
[11:47] <aldanon> i download the <IP_ADDRESS> vanilla kernel and used my configuration except that i changed slub to slab, works fine now hah
[11:48] <aldanon> now if only i knew a slub from a slab i'd be just dandy =D hehe
[11:48] <Eq|work> like i said - file a bug against the kernel
[11:48] <aldanon> 5 more hours sunk into ubuntu
[11:48] <aldanon> windows has the viruses and spyware, while ubuntu simply doesnt work
[11:49] <aldanon> pick your poison lmao
[11:49] <aldanon> aww well thanks much to everyone that attempted to help, usr13, eqlwork etc you guys rock
[11:49] <aldanon> tc all
[11:50] <Eq|work> aldanon : you can't say ubuntu doesn't work
[11:50] <Eq|work> it's not ubuntus fault that creative write shite drivers
[11:51] <aldanon> sounds like a kernel issue
[11:51] <aldanon> who knows, it is a beta driver
[11:51] <Eq|work> not really
[11:51] <Eq|work> it's creatives fault for writing shit drivers and not releasing the specs
[11:52] <Eq|work> a kernel change will resolve it
[11:52] <Eq|work> if you can hang around for a while i can probably help you with that
[11:52] <Eq|work> need to spend some time working first though :P
[11:52] <aldanon> that's cool, you have an IM?
[11:53] <aldanon> i've gotta hit the sack, but it'd be cool to try tomorrow
[11:53] <wabiD> how old is the vmware player from synaptic
[11:54] <aldanon> i don't mean to flame, technically the build of OS i'm on is in beta too
[11:56] <aldanon> welp just leave a message on www.techreflection.com
[11:56] <aldanon> it's my site, appreciate the help
[12:19] <Starcraftmazter> How do I disable compiz in 7.10 (latest)? The desktop effects aren't there anymore
[12:20] <Starcraftmazter> that is, the desktop effects enable/disable dialogue
[12:21] <jsomers> system - preferences - appearance
[12:21] <jsomers> it's all combined into one dialog these days
[12:21] <nanonyme> heh @ topic
[12:22] <Starcraftmazter> ahhh :D
[12:22] <nanonyme> maybe i should do a dist-upgrade too, haven't done it for half a week
[12:22] <Starcraftmazter> doesnt update manager do it automatically since 6.10
[12:22] <Starcraftmazter> hmmm nevermind at my comment :D
[12:23] <wabiD> does anyone have vista booting off a real partition with vmware
[12:23] <nanonyme> Starcraftmazter, i don't use update manager :)
[12:23] <Starcraftmazter> really?
[12:24] <bazhang> greetings
[12:24] <Starcraftmazter> hi
[12:24] <nanonyme> Starcraftmazter, no, i just use aptitude
[12:24] <Starcraftmazter> I see
[12:24] <nanonyme> haven't seen any reason to use anything else
[12:24] <bazhang> kubuntu is really solid.
[12:25] <Starcraftmazter> yep, so is a brick wall :D
[12:25] <gunny> anyone experience much longer delay (30 secs+) now after Gutsy login to having a ready desktop compared to feisty?
[12:25] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: haha
[12:26] <Starcraftmazter> gunny, I've been having all sorts of desktop bugs in Gutsy
[12:26] <bazhang> gunny: boot time is really fast for me--around 10-15 seconds.
[12:26] <Starcraftmazter> atm workspaces just don't friggin want to function properly :D
[12:26] <gunny> bazhang: hmmm just after login though it takes heaps longer in gutsy
[12:26] <bazhang> gunny: really?
[12:27] <bazhang> gunny: I had tons more trouble with Feisty.
[12:27] <gunny> bazhang: yep and it real quick in fesity so something's competing somewhere i've turned off (removed) tracker as well
[12:27] <gunny> are you guys running full compiz as well
[12:28] <bazhang> yep.
[12:28] <Starcraftmazter> yer
[12:28] <bazhang> gunny: but javascript is disabled--wordpress doesn't like it.
[12:28] <Starcraftmazter> I thought it was causing problems, but apparently not >_>
[12:28] <gunny> everything's behaving really well except for speed of first time login
[12:28] <bazhang> very brick wall like here.
[12:28] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[12:29] <gunny> and alsa micro[hone woes with ICH6 ALC880 which worked in fesity
[12:29] <gunny> s/fesity/feisty
[12:29] <Starcraftmazter> feisty:D
[12:29] <bazhang> gunny: very first time log in was slow, but since then it has been phenomenal, both start up and shutdown--shutdown or reboot is around 5 seconds
[12:29] <gunny> wow
[12:30] <gunny> mind you i'm also running oracle, mysql etc but was before as well
[12:30] <bazhang> gunny: well that might explain it.
[12:30] <gunny> its not boot up, its after login thats the prob
[12:30] <bazhang> everytime?
[12:31] <gunny> only really first time but if i log out in and its faster but not the same as before
[12:31] <gunny> as in the same as in feisty
[12:32] <bazhang> ok
[12:32] <Starcraftmazter> check your startup in sessions>?
[12:33] <gunny> that and the microphone issues are the only things annoying me..everything else is great (running oracle, eclipse, mythtv all good)
[12:33] <bazhang> wow you got mythtv going, how long did that take?
[12:33] <gunny> it was working in feisty as well not too long few hours of tinkering !
[12:34] <bazhang> just a few hours? front and back end? wow.
[12:34] <gunny> yep and two remotes (feisty and mac os x) !
[12:34] <bazhang> unreal
[12:35] <Starcraftmazter> anyone have any bugs relating to switching workspaces?
[12:35] <gunny> i'm really impressed by it also got austrlian program grabbers working as well
[12:35] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: do you mean viewport switcher?
[12:35] <bazhang> shift-super-tab?
[12:35] <Starcraftmazter> no
[12:35] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: i do
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> this is outside of compiz
[12:36] <bazhang> gunny: avermedia card?
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> lemsx1, what do you experience?
[12:36] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: oh, sorry.
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> thats ok:D
[12:36] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: well, only when running compiz
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> compiz workspace switching is also buggy I found
[12:36] <gunny> yep this is all on a clevo D900 with a M102 (i think) avermedia card
[12:36] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: right now i turned off compiz because of problems when switching users
[12:37] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: but i assume that this is a known issue
[12:37] <Starcraftmazter> do you still have problems with workspaces?
[12:37] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: i only have 2 workspaces now (whatever default) and clicking on the applet to switch just works... what should i be seeing?
[12:38] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: ctrl+alt+left|right also works
[12:38] <Starcraftmazter> hmmm
[12:38] <Starcraftmazter> in 7.10 where do you chose number of workspaces
[12:38] <Starcraftmazter> assuming compiz is off
[12:39] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: i think there is no GUI to allow you to change that...
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> :O
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> thats strange
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> in previous versions it was in properties of workspaces
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> spaces
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> whatever
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[12:40] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: yep. and that created a ton of problems with consistency
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> where is the setting
[12:40] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: especially with compiz/beryl etc
[12:41] <compwiz18> I have a usb bluetooth dongle that works perfectly on my x86 gutsy laptop, but not on a different x64 laptop.  The message is Couldn't display "obex://[00:1c:12:a9:0d:72] ". Check if the service is available.  Any suggestions?
[12:41] <Starcraftmazter> mmm
[12:42] <Starcraftmazter> compwiz18 check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[12:42] <compwiz18> Starcraftmazter, I looked at that, it didn't help.  But I have a bluetooth update, hang on
[12:43] <compwiz18> I set up both of the computers the same, but it only likes my x32 one
[12:43] <rothchild> hey compwiz18 still no joy with bluetooth
[12:43] <compwiz18> me neither
[12:43] <compwiz18> just got a bluetooth update
[12:44] <compwiz18> but it looks like it didn't help
[12:44] <wabiD> grr vmware is still being dumb
[12:44] <rothchild> :-(
[12:44] <compwiz18> gonna reboot
[12:44] <compwiz18> brb
[12:44] <Eq|work> compwiz18 : before you do
[12:44] <Eq|work> or not
[12:44] <lemsx1> wabiD: whatchamean? i'm using vmware on Gutsy
[12:44] <wabiD> im trying to boot a physical partition
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: ah, good luck with that ;-)
[12:45] <wabiD> but it says i have insufficient bhah
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: vmware 6?
[12:45] <wabiD> yea
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: are you a member of "disk" group?
[12:45] <wabiD> adduser wabid disk?
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: or whatever group owns the /dev/* device?
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: yep. and logout/login
[12:45] <Starcraftmazter> wow, GL desktop just made my workspaces work, what seems to be flawlessly
[12:45] <wabiD> k brb
[12:46] <Starcraftmazter> is gl desktop related to compiz?
[12:46] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: good to know. but now you lost user switching ability ;-)
[12:46] <Starcraftmazter> lol I dont use multiple users :D
[12:47] <wabiD> now it says the partition table is invalid
[12:47] <Starcraftmazter> with my previous question though, is GL desktop related to compiz?
[12:47] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: share with the world! open SSH with root account enabled and no password. that allows those without fast machines to run code on your PC!
[12:47] <lemsx1> wabiD: that's an improvement uh?
[12:47] <Starcraftmazter> :O
[12:47] <wabiD> i can dual boot just fine
[12:48] <lemsx1> wabiD: you will need to reformat that with vmware i guess... or at least use something that fixes the partition table like cfdisk
[12:48] <lemsx1> wabiD: yeah, but that's not the same my friend
[12:48] <compwiz18> huh
[12:48] <compwiz18> no joy with that update
[12:49] <lemsx1> wabiD: when you "dual boot" your system knows about your partitions because it sees the whole disk
[12:49] <wabiD> soo how can i use cfdisk
[12:49] <lemsx1> wabiD: when you tell vmware to use a disk as a drive (a partition!?) how can it know that?
[12:49] <wabiD> im telling it to use /dev/sda1
[12:49] <lemsx1> wabiD: well, you have to sacrifice something
[12:50] <wabiD> i typed in cfdisk /dev/sda1 and it said fatal error
[12:50] <lemsx1> wabiD: is up to you what you do. but you will either need to mess up your dual boot, or tell vmware to use an image instead of a physical disk/partition
[12:51] <wabiD> how will it mess up dual boot
[12:51] <lemsx1> wabiD: where are you typing that? in your real OS?
[12:51] <wabiD> i think i could sacrifice it as long as it is reversable
[12:51] <wabiD> yea
[12:51] <lemsx1> wabiD: you can't do that
[12:51] <wabiD> i only have a primary os
[12:51] <wabiD> i cant even make the vmware file
[12:52] <lemsx1> wabiD: you need to assign /dev/sda1 as a "disk" in vmware. and then use a CD image or something to boot inside vmware. and partition your "disk"
[12:52] <wabiD> partition ends after end-of-disk, that doesnt sound good
[12:52] <wabiD> would that erase my current vista partition
[12:52] <wabiD> or is this a fake partition
[12:52] <lemsx1> wabiD: uh?
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: where is vista? /dev/sda1 as well?
[12:53] <wabiD> thats what vista is /dev/sda1
[12:53] <wabiD> i shrunk it and installed ubuntu reciently
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: jeje!. you're a funny dude
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: what are you trying to do now? boot into ubuntu and use vmware to open your vista from your physical drive?
[12:53] <wabiD> youre laughing at me in other languages :)
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: that won't work
[12:53] <wabiD> why not
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: well, good luck
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: but that won't work
[12:54] <wabiD> it says its an option on line
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: yeah, you can install Vista like that
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: but you won't be able to make vista work inside vmware. the "hardware" is not the same
[12:54] <wabiD> yea itll ask me to reactivate
[12:55] <wabiD> ill just remove activation later
[12:55] <lemsx1> wabiD: vmware emulates a FULL system. it's not a "hypervisor" or something that uses paravirtualization
[12:55] <lemsx1> wabiD: let me know if you get it to work
[12:55] <wabiD> shouldnt it at least attempt to boot vista though
[12:55] <wabiD> and then realize its the wrong hardware and crap out
[12:56] <wabiD> wait i think i got it
[12:56] <lemsx1> wabiD: no, that's the problem. vmware will attempt to read the "disk" partition and map it to the BIOS
[12:58] <wabiD> yea now i get an error that the partition table on the disk has changed since the disk was created
[12:58] <compwiz18> does anyone know how to "pair" a bluetooth device with the computer?
[12:58] <wabiD> is there any way i can tell vmware to boot to a folder that is mounted by ubuntu
[12:58] <wabiD> instead of a file
[12:58] <wabiD> like /media/naxos or something
[12:59] <lemsx1> compwiz18: put them in discover mode and pair them? which is pairing which ?
[12:59] <compwiz18> how do I tell Ubuntu to pair with the cell phone?
[12:59] <lemsx1> wabiD: not that i know of. why would that work? think of vmware as a "machine"
[01:00] <lemsx1> wabiD: you might want to try PXE or something like that to boot to a remote system...
[01:00] <lemsx1> wabiD: i'm not sure if you can do that with windows though...
[01:01] <wabiD> i got vista to boot
[01:01] <wabiD> i actually managed to get grub to boot
[01:01] <lemsx1> wabiD: but, in my case, i think it's easier to simply backup your data from your vista partition. remove the partition and set that as a regular ext3 or so partition. use vmware from linux and install vista in an image file that will take all the space from /dev/sda1 (ext3). then restore your files. and you are done
[01:01] <wabiD> vista craps out at crcdsk
[01:01] <wabiD> not unexpected though
[01:02] <Eq|work> compwiz18 : is the driver in the restricted modules by any chance?
[01:03] <wabiD> what is release mouse in vmware
[01:03] <mon^rch> ctrl+alt
[01:03] <compwiz18> Eq|work, I don't think so.  I plugged the USB dongle in, it recognized it, and it can see my phone, but when I press Connect, it communicates with my phone for half a second and then disconnects
[01:03] <Eq|work> this on the 64bit machine?
[01:03] <compwiz18> Eq|work, yeah.  On 32bit it works perfectly
[01:03] <wabiD> well i got vmware to boot to grub, and memtest86+ boots just fine
[01:03] <Eq|work> hm
[01:04] <wabiD> i wonder if i can get rid of checkdisk and get vista to boot
[01:04] <Eq|work> interesting.
[01:04] <Eq|work> checked to see if there are any relevant bugreports?
[01:04] <wabiD> lemsx1, from how it looks right now, this is still a plausible solution
[01:05] <wabiD> when i ran vista in safemode it loaded all the files until checkdisk and then bluescreened
[01:06] <wabiD> now its attempting to boot gutsy from gutsy
[01:06] <wabiD> this could cause some damage
[01:06] <Eq|work> just a bit, yeah
[01:06] <wabiD> its going super slow
[01:07] <Eq|work> fista'll probably have the same issues as xp
[01:07] <wabiD> im suprised how well compiz plays with vmware
[01:07] <Eq|work> differing ide controllers == fark off.
[01:07] <lemsx1> wabiD: you can take a Linux disk from a system and put it in another system and Linux will work
[01:08] <lemsx1> wabiD: you cannot do that with windows
[01:08] <wabiD> yea but im IN gutsy right now
[01:08] <wabiD> and im trying to boot the same partition within vmware
[01:08] <lemsx1> wabiD: that doesn't surprise me
[01:08] <wabiD> and its working
[01:08] <lemsx1> wabiD: if you get vista to work, that will surprise me. keep trying
[01:09] <wabiD> im gonna rename crcdsk and see what happens
[01:09] <lemsx1> wabiD: jeje!
[01:09] <Eq|work> probably won't boot at all
[01:09] <wabiD> eh
[01:09] <Eq|work> he missed the h :P
[01:09] <wabiD> no thats spanish
[01:09] <wabiD> whats weird is that i told it NEVER to run crcdisk from the registry
[01:09] <lemsx1> wabiD: see. Linux is an advanced operating system. vista is ... old technology :-P
[01:09] <wabiD> yea but i cant watch videos on abc.com with linux
[01:10] <wabiD> or my xbox :/
[01:10] <wabiD> id argue linux is older :)
[01:10] <lemsx1> wabiD: there is always a way to watch videos
[01:10] <Eq|work> wabiD : you can actually..
[01:10] <lemsx1> wabiD: you mean because of DRM?
[01:10] <wabiD> kinda
[01:10] <lemsx1> wabiD: or because of missing stuff?
[01:10] <wabiD> you need to install their firefox plugin
[01:11] <wabiD> i changed my useragent
[01:11] <wabiD> and the .xpi still fails to install
[01:11] <lemsx1> wabiD: of course it fails
[01:11] <wabiD> meh its using flash to play the videos im pretty sure
[01:11] <wabiD> i could try downloading the .xpi and editing it
[01:11] <wabiD> but i figured i could try to get vista to boot
[01:11] <lemsx1> wabiD: that's like running setup.exe from the Office CD and expecting it to work (assuming that you don't have wine installed)
[01:12] <wabiD> why .xpi should be universal for firefos
[01:12] <lemsx1> wabiD: .xpi might be. but whatever stuff it depends on are probably meant for windows only (activex and whatever)
[01:13] <lemsx1> wabiD: in any case, what's on abc.com that's not in some other site? and why can't you just install vmware and use it the "right" way
[01:13] <wabiD> the activex controller is ie only
[01:13] <wabiD> cuz it works on a mac
[01:13] <wabiD> cuz i still want to be able to dual boot
[01:13] <lemsx1> wabiD: sure. leave /dev/sda1 as vista. and use vmware inside linux o create another installation of vista
[01:13] <peter77> I've changed the background solid colour to blue and the log in colour to blue.
[01:13] <lemsx1> wabiD: storage is cheap!
[01:14] <wabiD> yea and im full
[01:14] <lemsx1> wabiD: wait until Best Buy opens and buy a new drive
[01:14] <wabiD> i have 2 120 gigs full, my xbox has 920 gigs full, and vista is 80 gigs full
[01:14] <peter77> But right about where the splash screen use to appear the background changes back to that awful beige
[01:14] <peter77> how do I change that background colour to blue as well please?
[01:14] <tapas> hi
[01:16] <wabiD> does search work on ntfs partitions
[01:16] <timstokman> could someone help me connect to my university network? i have a working network card .g which can connect to wpa2 personal networks, but my university has a wpa enterprise with ttls pap to which i cant connect
[01:17] <tapas> it seems the libasound2 shipped with gutsy is broken..
[01:17] <timstokman> could anyone here help me with that?
[01:17] <tapas> when i compile the jack pcm plugin from the original alsa-plugins source against it, it won't work..
[01:17] <lemsx1> timstokman: ouch... i've never done that one...
[01:17] <peter77> I think this is an xbox room
[01:17] <tapas> [not only does ubuntu not ship this plugin, now it's also impossible to use it when built from sources]
[01:18] <tapas> aplay: set_params:900: Sample format non available
[01:18] <lemsx1> tapas: but gutsy is not out yet ;-)
[01:18] <peter77> sorry for straying off topic, I'll stick to xbox questions!
[01:18] <tapas> this used to work great on feisty :)
[01:18] <tapas> so i wonder: whatcan i do about it
[01:18] <timstokman> i hate to use vista for an internet connection here :(
[01:18] <tapas> lemsx1: yeah, that's why i would eb glad if this were fixed before release
[01:18] <lemsx1> timstokman: google no good?
[01:18] <timstokman> nope
[01:18] <timstokman> main problem is wpa_supplicant.conf
[01:19] <lemsx1> tapas: did you check launchpad's bugs?
[01:19] <peter77> tim have you tried to talk to your universities sys admins?
[01:19] <timstokman> which isnt there
[01:19] <lemsx1> tapas: file one quickly ;-)
[01:19] <timstokman> peter77: they dont support linux
[01:19] <tapas> lemsx1: sure will do. i supposed i asked if maybe here someone knew a solutoion already
[01:19] <peter77> is that what they said?
[01:19] <timstokman> yes, thats their official policy
[01:19] <peter77> so what do they support?
[01:20] <timstokman> vista, xp, mac
[01:20] <peter77> that's bullshit, my uni supports linux
[01:20] <peter77> is it because the admins don't know how to use linux?
[01:20] <timstokman> it isnt something i can change
[01:20] <peter77> it is
[01:21] <Starcraftmazter> well I must sat, the workplaces are as inconsistant as quantum mechanics
[01:21] <Starcraftmazter> say*
[01:21] <tapas> in the bug report thingy, where can i specify that this is wrt gutsy?
[01:21] <peter77> complain to hell and help them recognise people use linux
[01:22] <timstokman> ill try that, but first i want to get on the network :)
[01:22] <timstokman> i have vista on my laptop but i hate it
[01:22] <Starcraftmazter> does anyone have problems with switching to first workspace from any other, taking about 10 seconds
[01:22] <peter77> yeah, I got one with XP on
[01:23] <peter77> did you say they use wpa enterpirse?
[01:23] <timstokman> yes
[01:23] <timstokman> with ttls
[01:23] <GNine> my puter's xserver works with NV stated in the xorg.conf .  does compiz require the entry NVidia?
[01:23] <peter77> have you been through the network configuration and tried setting it up to WPA Enterpirse>
[01:23] <peter77> ?
[01:24] <timstokman> first i got a popup prompt where wpa enterprise was an option
[01:24] <timstokman> but after trying that several times i couldnt log in with that
[01:24] <timstokman> tryed several options, but couldnt get in
[01:24] <peter77> did you try to get it working on feisty with no luck?
[01:25] <timstokman> new laptop, so i installed gutsy from start
[01:25] <peter77> ahh I see
[01:25] <timstokman> wifi driver seems to work fine otherwise
[01:25] <tapas> there once was a tool called chkinstall or soemthing.. does this still exist in ubuntu?
[01:25] <timstokman> i can get on my home network
[01:26] <timstokman> which has wpa 2 personal .g
[01:26] <peter77> I wouldn't recommend going to beta streight away as you won't know if anything has been broken since the previous stable release
[01:26] <GNine> the beta works fine
[01:26] <timstokman> new hardware
[01:27] <timstokman> i figured the newest kernel had a better change
[01:27] <peter77> yes but Linux distros have a habbit of behaving better with different comps than others
[01:27] <fraco> does anyone else have compiz popping full-screen games out to windowed mode?
[01:28] <lemsx1> fraco: yep
[01:28] <Starcraftmazter> what kind of games
[01:28] <GNine> i just got it today. no issues.. except that i had to reconfigure my xserver . but that was easy.   the only problem is that i cant get compiz to work.  but so it happend on feisty as well
[01:28] <peter77> tim does your uni have a specialist computing school?
[01:28] <lemsx1> fraco: like frozen-bubble right?
[01:28] <fraco> well, I have it with urbanterror
[01:28] <wabiD> just for the record, booting ubuntu from within itself is a bad idea
[01:28] <Starcraftmazter> [21:28:37]  <wabiD> just for the record, booting ubuntu from within itself is a bad idea
[01:28] <Starcraftmazter> LOL
[01:28] <fraco> its playing fullscreen and then after 10 minutes pops out of full screen.
[01:28] <lemsx1> wabiD: jeje!. of course
[01:29] <fraco> alt-enter or alt-tab or no keys/mouse seem to respond any more
[01:29] <fraco> have to restart X
[01:29] <lemsx1> wabiD: data corruption is imminent ;-)
[01:29] <wabiD> the hard drive went nuts and wouldnt boot
[01:29] <wabiD> yea i recovered it all already
[01:29] <mon^rch> fraco: turn off your screensaver while playing games
[01:29] <mon^rch> ;)
[01:29] <fraco> i turn off compiz
[01:29] <lemsx1> wabiD: the good thing about using an advanced os... :-P
[01:29] <fraco> it helps too
[01:30] <wabiD> eh a journaling file system you mean
[01:30] <wabiD> ntfs would have been fixable too
[01:30] <lemsx1> mon^rch: ah... good to know
[01:30] <GNine> is there any other way to call compiz other than terminal?
[01:30] <timstokman> peter77: yeah, my faculty
[01:30] <wabiD> gksu compiz ?
[01:30] <rocky> anyone know if gutsy is planning to include any integration between Tracker and Tomboy ? seems like a bit of step backwards (functionality-wise) to use Tracker instead of Beagle
[01:30] <fraco> GNine: in gutsy there is System->Preferences ->Appearance->Effects
[01:30] <fraco> enables compiz
[01:30] <peter77> ahh and they said they don't support linux, I see hmm
[01:31] <timstokman> peter77: we even run solaris here as desktop :p
[01:31] <lemsx1> GNine: ALT+F2 compiz is another ;-)
[01:31] <GNine> i assume you mean gutsy on gnome , fraco
[01:31] <fraco> yes
[01:31] <peter77> yeah we do at the uni I'm at as well
[01:31] <timstokman> and debian
[01:31] <fraco> but i tried kde and it had something similar
[01:31] <GNine> i got Xubuntu
[01:31] <wabiD> i thought beagle development slowed down
[01:31] <fraco> dang
[01:31] <fraco> :-D
[01:32] <wabiD> yea after using xfce and gnome for a while, ill never go back to kde
[01:32] <GNine> i got the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings.. but i dont see an option to activate compiz in there
[01:32] <wabiD> thats not to enable it
[01:33] <fraco> no its not in there no
[01:33] <fraco> its in appearance
[01:33] <fraco> but i suppose thats a gnome thing
[01:33] <wabiD> hes using xfce, not gnome
[01:33] <wabiD> yea its not in the gui afaik
[01:33] <GNine> yah..
[01:33] <wabiD> youre going to have to tell it to run on boot somehow
[01:33] <mon^rch> or alt+f2 and compiz -replace
[01:34] <mon^rch> --replace
[01:34] <wabiD> im guessing he wants it every time he boots though
[01:34] <GNine> yup, mon^rch , i run that one from terminal..
[01:34] <tapas> wabiD: xfce leaks massive amounts of memory on my box
[01:34] <GNine> but alt-f2 would run it .. in user?
[01:34] <wabiD> if you do it from alt f2 you wont have a rogue terminal open
[01:34] <mon^rch> sould
[01:34] <tapas> wabiD: leave it running for a day and your OOM killer will do nasty things ;)
[01:34] <wabiD> do gksu compiz --replace then
[01:34] <GNine> i c
[01:35] <wabiD> or is that a gnome thinger too
[01:35] <GNine> but i still have a xgl error..   :(
[01:35] <GNine> after running the command
[01:38] <compwiz18> Eq|work, I looked for relevant bug reports but none that I can find match my bluetooth issue
[01:38] <GNine> tells me the xgl is not found.  and something about not having a whitelist ..
[01:38] <peter77> how do I change the colour of the background where the gnome splash screen use to appear?
[01:39] <GNine> last time i ran it . it crashed my system after 2 minutes
[01:39] <GNine> had to fix xorg with that too..   :-/
[01:45] <gomoran2> Hello, I have a kubuntu, gutsy, xrandr, i810 rotation-problem.
[01:46] <_dan_> hello, since gutsy upgrade i got 2 times "Desktop" entry in my places menu, how can i get rid of one of those?
[01:46] <gomoran2> rotation works halfway, the display is rotated but keeps size, so I get the left 768x768 of my screen on the top.
[01:53] <compwiz18> Can someone walk me through establishing a bluetooth connection via the command line?
[01:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: are you running compiz as root? why would you say: gksu compiz --replace ?
[02:01] <tapas> i guess i found the bug in the libasound2 package.. this is a regression.. there needs to be one != made = in configure.in..
[02:02] <tapas> is there a quick howto on how to replace a package with the corresponding source package where i could fix the bug?
[02:04] <kyja> hello, I have an interesting problem. I just moved gutsy off from a 22 GB partition onto a 92.14 GB partition. gparted now reports it is 44.01 GB system with 48.13 GB free. properties on the drive stated its 23.2 GB os with only 45.3 GB free total capacity 68.5 GB so question is where is 23.64 GB of free space. I could not have lost that much due to clusters could I?
[02:04] <tapas> i guess installing to /usr/local/ might help [and tweaking LD_LIBRARY_PATH]
[02:15] <tapas> debian has a fixed libasound2 package.. noted in the bugreport
[02:33] <GNine> 44.01 + 48.13 = 92.14  &  23.64 + 68.5 = 92.14    coincidence?
[02:33] <Starcraftmazter> whats that?
[02:34] <GNine> Starcraftmazter, read kyja , above
[02:37] <lemsx1> kyja: did you use dd to copy from one partition to another?
[02:37] <kyja> I used gparted actualy
[02:38] <lemsx1> kyja: perhaps gparted uses some form of dd to do that...
[02:38] <kyja> yeah it might have.
[02:40] <kyja> it inflated twice in size. but the partition it lives on went from 22 GB to 92 GB so. I can see cluster differences might be an issue. perhaps I am paranoid.
[02:40] <lemsx1> kyja: i'm guessing that the partition wasn't calculated correctly in your partition map. but, if you are just moving from the same drive, then, that probably doesn't make sense...
[02:40] <GNine> i dont think your missing anything. you're just miscalculating gigs
[02:40] <kyja> yeah same drive.
[02:40] <GNine> human error
[02:40] <lemsx1> that could be true. what GNine says
[02:41] <lemsx1> TPIBKAC ?
[02:41] <kyja> I moved from sda3 to sda1 then formated sda1 and joined it.
[02:41] <kyja> yeah perhaps.
[02:42] <lemsx1> kyja: fancy.... did you move what was in sda3 back to the first cylinder of what's now /dev/sda1?
[02:42] <lemsx1> kyja: i dunno how that works actually... i'm just trying to be helpful by throwing ideas to the air
[02:42] <lemsx1> jeje!
[02:42] <lemsx1> kyja: i know that you can join later partitions to previous ones, but not the way you did it
[02:42] <kyja> errr but the propertied info believes its only a 68 gig drive. gparted says I have 92. it is 100 gb
[02:43] <lemsx1> kyja: that's after hard booting the system? perhaps is your BIOS playing tricks on you?
[02:43] <GNine> are you counting your swap partition
[02:43] <kyja> lemsx1, yes I copied sda3 to sda1 then deleted sda3 and joined them for one partition
[02:44] <kyja> it refuesed to join them in reverse.. could not put sda1 into sda3 so I had to swap places.
[02:45] <kyja> otherwise I would have just joind them without copy. but it refused.
[02:45] <kyja> hehe well, idk.
[02:47] <kyja> how can I invoke fschk on next restart?
[02:47] <DoYouKnow> it's in fstab
[02:47] <DoYouKnow> I think
[02:47] <kyja> k
[02:49] <mitchells00> hi...
[02:49] <DoYouKnow> hi mitchells00
[02:50] <bazhang> hi all
[02:51] <mitchells00> i know the topic says *don't* run gusty if i'm not familliar with bugfixing, dpkg & dependencies etc.. but my ISP's mirror didn't mention anywhere it's in beta.. so now i'm stuck with it...
[02:51] <GNine> dont do anything crazy.  you'll be fine for most computing needs
[02:52] <mitchells00> i'm not completely clueless.. i can get around (somewhat) in terminal and i can follow instructions...
[02:52] <mitchells00> BUt i've run into a brick wall
[02:52] <mitchells00> i looked on forums and googled it
[02:52] <bazhang> mitchells00: I feel like it's more stable than feisty; faster and more features, the list goes on..
[02:52] <mitchells00> but i can't seem to detect my mobo's onboard lan...
[02:53] <bazhang> are you on it now?
[02:53] <mitchells00> bazhang i've already installed it (with alot of work)
[02:53] <mitchells00> i'm sitting next to it
[02:54] <mitchells00> but not using it atm
[02:54] <bazhang> mitchells00: what was so tough?
[02:54] <mitchells00> 2 things
[02:54] <bazhang> mmm-hmm
[02:54] <mitchells00> i can't get ANYTHING to detect my lan...
[02:55] <mitchells00> and i can't live with the vesa video drivers anymore...
[02:55] <GNine> sorry to hear that.. never had a single problem ever connecting to the internet
[02:55] <Pici> mitchells00: Does it show up in lspci?
[02:55] <mitchells00> yeah... as unknown device
[02:55] <bazhang> mitchells00: what video card?
[02:55] <GNine> specially coming from onboard lan
[02:55] <mitchells00> Nvidia 8800 GT
[02:56] <mitchells00> 256 onboard and 256 hyper memory or w/e it is :P
[02:56] <mitchells00> i've never had a problem with it either..
[02:56] <mitchells00> same lan port, and older (like years ago old) distro of ubuntu ran fine
[02:57] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, hmmm... have you tried searching google for help on setting it up?
[02:57] <mitchells00> as did slackware and slax, mandrake, etc
[02:57] <mitchells00> i have and i found nothing..
[02:57] <DoYouKnow> lately I have been using google a lot for finding linux information
[02:57] <DoYouKnow> and it seems to help
[02:58] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, this is just a guess, but maybe you have some kind of IRQ problem
[02:58] <DoYouKnow> look into that
[02:58] <kyja> get this !!. I go to back up my Video directory that properties reports is 3.9 Gb. dragging the folder to k3b it said it was 7.8 GB or something like that. I drag each file into k3b instead and its the right size. I checked for invisibles in folder there are none.
[02:58] <DoYouKnow> maybe one device is being detected and its blocking another device
[02:59] <GNine> or your lan needs a driver update.. but then again you just upgrade.  obscure
[02:59] <kyja> I have a feeling it is picking up the old file structure that was not zeroed on format.
[03:00] <mitchells00> why did i have to give away my spare lan card :/
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, some network cards used to have IRQ configuration as a seperate downloadable utility
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> not sure if they're still doing that
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> look into that too
[03:01] <Starcraftmazter> damnit whats the hotkey for negative in compiz
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> I am thinking of old 3coms
[03:02] <mitchells00> 2nd problem... the video... i had that error when X tryed to start where it says that no screen is found... so i went into /ext/X11/xorg.conf and changed Driver "nv" to "vesa"
[03:03] <mitchells00> and now the performance of anything visual is... shocking
[03:03] <mitchells00> windows cut up when i drag them
[03:03] <mitchells00> and causes huge lag..
[03:04] <mooper> Hi, Im having problems with usb sticks and cd's
[03:04] <[Wiebel] > don't use them then :)
[03:04] <mooper> They are taking ages or just not automounting :(
[03:04] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, why are you using visa?
[03:04] <mooper> hur hur
[03:04] <DoYouKnow> vesa
[03:04] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, try the standard vga driver
[03:04] <mitchells00> i did
[03:04] <mitchells00> wait
[03:04] <mitchells00> what is it..?
[03:05] <mitchells00> i just read on a forum that vesa solved that problem..
[03:05] <DoYouKnow> try vga
[03:05] <mitchells00> hmm.. i'll try it..
[03:05] <kyja> ahhh to do a fschk then >sudo shutdown -rF now
[03:05] <GNine> sounds like your whole system is nothing short of .. b0rked.  mitchells00 ..
[03:06] <mitchells00> well it works fine with every other OS i've thrown at it..
[03:06] <mitchells00> including *shudders* vista
[03:07] <GNine> the only "issue" i have is compiz.. which is not really an issue.  more like a hobby i need to work on
[03:08] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: super +N for window, super +M for whole desktop
[03:09] <DoYouKnow> yeah, I am using 7.04 feisty and notice the fglrx + Xgl + compiz-fusion + extra plugins + unsupported plugins is sort of slow with the defaults
[03:10] <DoYouKnow> Xgl not supporting direct rendering is my prime culprit
[03:10] <mooper> Can anyone give me any ideas why my usb stick isnt automounting?
[03:11] <mitchells00> because it doesen't like you...?
[03:11] <mitchells00> iuno
[03:11] <GNine> zing!  that my problem right there , DoYouKnow
[03:11] <Filthpig> hey
[03:11] <mooper> mitchells00, I was sleeping wit its mother
[03:11] <mitchells00> i've never had good luck with flash drives and linux
[03:11] <mitchells00> .... EVER
[03:11] <mitchells00> :/
[03:11] <penguincentral_> how do i install the apache web server
[03:11] <GNine> actually .. xgl is not registering .. i thought i had all the toys in line tho
[03:12] <mooper> :/ it works on my laptop but not on my bloody desktop
[03:12] <mooper> GAH
[03:12] <Filthpig> Over at the appearances section I can select various ways to use compiz fusion, but how can I edit stuff if I select custom? there is nothing to lead me to a customizing section there :/
[03:12] <kyja> vista... isn't that a work they use for a piece of property that has better views so you can be more over taxed on something thats useless other than to look at?
[03:12] <mitchells00> this might seem like a stupid question.. but how do you close x?
[03:12] <mitchells00> :P
[03:13] <mitchells00> i'm in alt+ctrl+F1...
[03:13] <minimec> mitchells00: sudo killall gdm
[03:13] <Filthpig> close to run with console only, or simply restart x?
[03:13] <mitchells00> console only..
[03:13] <mitchells00> i'm not THAT dumb..
[03:13] <Filthpig> see minimac, then :)
[03:13] <Filthpig> minimec, sorry
[03:14] <mitchells00> hahaha :)
[03:14] <penguincentral_> how do i install the apache web server?
[03:14] <mitchells00> have you read the instructions?
[03:14] <minimec> penguincentral_: sudo aptitude install apache2
[03:15] <bazhang> Filthpig: you have to download the compizconfig settings manager, then you can customize.
[03:15] <mitchells00> erm.. i did sudo killall gdm
[03:15] <mitchells00> now nothing's working
[03:15] <penguincentral_> thanks minimec
[03:15] <mitchells00> not even console..
[03:15] <mitchells00> i can type
[03:15] <mitchells00> and press enter
[03:15] <mitchells00> but nothing happens
[03:15] <minimec> mitchells00: now you can restart it with sudo gdm && exit
[03:15] <bazhang> mitchells00: is it a dual boot?
[03:15] <mitchells00> triboot actually :P
[03:16] <bazhang> vista xp and gutsy?
[03:16] <Pensacola> is it possible to change the default file manager from dolphin to konqueror in kubuntu gutsy?
[03:16] <mitchells00> yep :P
[03:16] <mitchells00> i have to have vista to learn it...
[03:16] <mitchells00> to fix people computers
[03:16] <mitchells00> when they (supidly) upgrade.....
[03:16] <Filthpig> bazhang: shouldn't that be included since the custom-option is there?
[03:17] <bazhang> Filthpig: is it already installed?
[03:17] <Filthpig> guess not
[03:18] <bazhang> there you go.
[03:19] <Filthpig> I just wonder why they haven't included it
[03:19] <Filthpig> or made some option to download it
[03:19] <bazhang> Filthpig: probably because it's stable just as is--without it.
[03:20] <Filthpig> i.e. clicking "custom" will notify you that the custimization tool is not present and do you want to download it
[03:21] <mitchells00> nope if i have driver "vga" i get "failed to start the X server bla bla bla Fatal server error: no screens found"
[03:21] <bazhang> Filthpig: you should choose to get it.
[03:21] <mitchells00> so vesa looks like my only option... unless nvidia released working GT drivers for linux...
[03:22] <minimec> mitchells00: what card do you have?
[03:22] <mitchells00> Nvidia 8500 GT
[03:22] <penguincentral_> nice
[03:22] <mitchells00> :P
[03:22] <Filthpig> bazhang: it's not even available from the repos o0
[03:22] <LjL> Pensacola: right click on any directory, select Open With, select Other, type 'konqueror', tick "Remember"
[03:23] <Pensacola> thx
[03:23] <minimec> mitchells00: don't they work with the nvidia-new driver?
[03:23] <mitchells00> i haven't tryed...
[03:23] <mitchells00> i didn't know :P
[03:23] <bazhang> Filthpig: sure it is; just hit update on Synaptic (Ubuntu, right?).
[03:23] <GNine> i got nvidia and i got nv set up at xorg.   i even updated to the restricted drivers with gutsy
[03:23] <mitchells00> i'll try them now.. (when x decides to crash :P)
[03:23] <bazhang> mitchells00: have you tried Envy?
[03:24] <Filthpig> ubuntu, yeah
[03:24] <GNine> !envy
[03:24] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[03:24] <GNine> i havent used it.
[03:24] <bazhang> just a suggestion...
[03:24] <minimec> mitchells00: If not, I agree with you that vesa is your only opinion. But I think the nvidia-new driver will do for you. Use the restricted driver.
[03:24] <Filthpig> if I search for compiz it only shows som "MacSlow's Cairo Clock"-stuff
[03:24] <mitchells00> O.O
[03:24] <minimec> mitchells00: optioin not opinion ;)
[03:24] <bazhang> Filthpig: get updates or fetch updates, then apply changes, then it should be there
[03:25] <mitchells00> cd /ext/X11/ << no suck file or directory :D
[03:25] <mitchells00> *:O
[03:25] <mitchells00> whoops
[03:25] <mitchells00> ext - etc
[03:25] <mitchells00> xD
[03:25] <penguincentral_> minimec: i have installed apache2, now how do i set it up?
[03:25] <GNine> you need to take a break
[03:26] <Starcraftmazter> anyone else having problems of windows not displaying when they should (ie being hidden) and being in unviewable parts of the screen, etc
[03:26] <GNine> walk outside , greet your neighbors ..
[03:26] <minimec> penguincentral_: Open a browser and type <IP_ADDRESS> or localhost in it. You should see the apache-default homepage of your server.
[03:26] <mitchells00> nvidia new module doesen't exist..
[03:26] <penguincentral_> ok
[03:27] <Filthpig> bazhang: there is no such button there
[03:27] <minimec> penguincentral_: In fact. Your apache is installed and working!
[03:27] <Filthpig> only search bar
[03:27] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, I think he was saying you need to apt-get it
[03:27] <GNine> check synaptic for all your packages needs
[03:27] <mitchells00> ..
[03:27] <penguincentral_> yeah, i know that
[03:27] <Filthpig> I guess it updates automatically
[03:27] <mitchells00> first i need to get my lan card working..
[03:27] <penguincentral_> but how do i manually configure it?
[03:27] <mitchells00> -_-;;;;;;;;
[03:27] <bazhang> Filthpig: you have synaptic, right?
[03:27] <GNine> its like the checkout at the airport
[03:27] <penguincentral_> minimec: how do i manually configure it
[03:28] <Filthpig> I use the Add/Remove Applications-tool in Ubuntu
[03:28] <bazhang> best to use synaptic
[03:28] <GNine> synaptic is more comprehensive
[03:28] <bazhang> Filthpig: have you used the terminal?
[03:28] <Filthpig> yeah, I find it through terminal
[03:28] <Filthpig> hm
[03:29] <penguincentral_> minimec: when you click on the apache2 folder in web browser, it throws up a page saying: It works!
[03:29] <bazhang> Filthpig: it's actually quicker and easier...
[03:29] <mitchells00> ok since my video isn't THAT high priority.. it works... sort of... can we try for my lan card...?
[03:29] <mitchells00> i'll get the mobo box out
[03:30] <minimec> penguincentral_: I think the files are in /etc/apache. If you want to set your own homepage, put the folder in /var/www/ and set the index.html
[03:31] <pvandewyngaerde> torcs is crashing here
[03:31] <mitchells00> ok i can't find it i'll look on the website.. and if anyone wants to help it's a Gigabyte 9653-SP
[03:31] <pvandewyngaerde> Segmentationfault
[03:31] <penguincentral_> minimec: correction, /etc/apache2
[03:31] <minimec> penguincentral_: THX ;)
[03:31] <penguincentral_> minimec: that's ok
[03:31] <mitchells00> 8965p-s3
[03:31] <penguincentral_> :)
[03:31] <mitchells00> omg
[03:31] <mitchells00> 965P-S3
[03:31] <mitchells00> that's it!
[03:31] <mitchells00> i can't type -_-;;
[03:32] <penguincentral_> minimec: so the only stuff that an outside computer can access is the content in /var/www?
[03:33] <minimec> penguincentral_: normally yes. It could even be, that access is limited to localhost in the default configuration. I am not sure of that anymore.
[03:34] <mitchells00> bingo
[03:34] <mitchells00> it's a Marvell 8056 Gigabit LAN Controller
[03:34] <penguincentral_> minimec: the idea was that i use apache, ssh to push files onto another server
[03:34] <mitchells00> anyone know if ubuntu doesen't like? :P
[03:34] <bazhang> Filthpig: you all set?
[03:35] <Filthpig> there we go
[03:35] <Filthpig> yeah, thanks
[03:35] <Filthpig> (would really be easier if they only added a button;)
[03:35] <bazhang> Filthpig: in the future, you might want to try the terminal.
[03:35] <penguincentral_> minimec: if i type in my ip address on another computer, would i be able to access /var/www?
[03:35] <Filthpig> bazhang: no worries, I'm quite comfortable using the terminal
[03:36] <Filthpig> been using ubuntu for some time now, so it's not a problem
[03:36] <bazhang> Filthpig: command is "sudo apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade; if you are searching, then it is sudo apt-cache search filename
[03:36] <minimec> penguincentral_: Well if the other computer has a server running and you try to access it with http:// ... yes, but read only.
[03:37] <Filthpig> bazhang: I knoow :)
[03:37] <Filthpig> I've been using ubuntu since hoary, I think
[03:37] <Filthpig> and several other debian based distros (and other)
[03:38] <penguincentral_> minimec: that's fine
[03:38] <minimec> penguincentral_: You don't need apache to move some files around!
[03:38] <Filthpig> so I know about using apt, dpkg etc
[03:38] <penguincentral_> minimec: long story
[03:38] <penguincentral_> very long story
[03:38] <penguincentral_> very very long story
[03:41] <penguincentral_> thanks minimec
[03:41] <ajv> Hi all, has anyone had any luck getting the ati Radeon mobility x1600 working. I installed the proper driver but video playback and any 3d stuff is very slow. Any Ideas ?
[03:43] <penguincentral_> nope
[03:46] <minimec> ajv: There will be a new property driver from ATI in about two weeks. Your problem will be over then.
[03:46] <mitchells00> so does anyone know what i should do about my eth port?
[03:46] <minimec> ajv: The new driver will support aiglx.
[03:46] <pvandewyngaerde> i cant play torcs, it crashes
[03:46] <mitchells00> it's a Marvell 8056 Gigabit LAN Controller just do you know.....
[03:47] <mitchells00> *so
[03:47] <minimec> mitchells00: so what about your network device?
[03:47] <bazhang> Filthpig: ok. cheers!
[03:48] <Filthpig> cheers mate
[03:48] <mitchells00> whoops :P
[03:49] <mitchells00> lspci returns: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown Device 4364 (rev 14)
[03:50] <mitchells00> and lspci -n 04:00.0 0200: 11ab:4364 (rev 14)
[03:51] <minimec> mitchells00: what does iwconfig say?
[03:51] <mitchells00> doesen't show it
[03:51] <mitchells00> only wlan0 and wmaster0
[03:51] <mitchells00> :/
[03:52] <pixl> i have this annoying problem that dialogs pop up at the top left corner of the screen with titlebar inaccessable :S Im on xfce with compiz
[03:52] <minimec> mitchells00: So if there is a linux driver you will have to compile it manually, as it seems Ubuntu does not recognise it.
[03:52] <mitchells00> .......
[03:52] <mitchells00> and how would one do such a thing...? :P
[03:53] <mitchells00> if it was windows i can rip out and force in drivers... but linux is a little new to me hehe...
[03:54] <minimec> mitchells00: First try to find some information about a possible linux driver for your card. Then look in the Ubuntuforums... Maybe you find something.
[03:55] <minimec> mitchells00: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=549244
[03:55] <kRush> pixl, guess you can force them anywhere with place or window rules plugin
[03:55] <mitchells00> i'm seriously thinking that it might be a biiit easier if i just stick to ubuntu in VMware under XP........
[03:56] <mitchells00> i saw that link
[03:56] <mitchells00> i read it
[03:56] <mitchells00> didn't understand a thing :P
[03:59] <minimec> mitchells00: Looks that there is a dirver for your card and that with a little tuning you can get it to work.
[04:01] <minimec> mitchells00: try to do a sudo modprobe sky2
[04:03] <minimec> mitchells00: http://mwolf.net/archive/ubuntu-on-vaio/ <ctrl>f Unexpectedly, the biggest problem is the network card
[04:04] <minimec> mitchells00: The sky2 driver for you card is part of the ubuntu kernel. You just have to configure it right.
[04:08] <TheInfinity> mitchells00: you have a mac book pro?
[04:15] <ajv> thanks minimec, will it sort beryl out ?
[04:16] <minimec-afk> ajv: No beryl anymore. ;) Compiz-Fusion...
[04:16] <penguincentral_> minimec-afk: compiz fusion is good
[04:17] <ajv> my bad
[04:18] <minimec-afk> penguincentral_: compiz-fusion works perfectly here too
[04:19] <penguincentral_> minimec-afk: yeah. did you change your nick?
[04:20] <minimec-afk> penguincentral_: I was off the keyboard for a moment.
[04:20] <penguincentral_> ok
[04:22] <peter77> is there a fix or work around to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/140821
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140821 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Can not change default GNOME splash background color" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:26] <wfarr> Does anyone know of a way to pull Podcasts in the ITMS
[04:38] <MTecknology> I definitely learned a lesson about trusting vista to not destroy files
[04:38] <BioPod> so, just how stable is kubutnu beta really is?
[04:39] <TheInfinity> its beta.
[04:39] <Jaymac> it works, but expect things to break
[04:39] <TheInfinity> most things work, some do not.
[04:39] <MTecknology> I have firefox restored mostly - the only think i'm missing now is the passwords
[04:39] <MTecknology> only thing**
[04:41] <BioPod> anyone knows how it deals with the RT61 wifi chipset?
[04:41] <robertj> hey all, whats the default expo key?
[04:43] <Jaymac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=486010&highlight=rt61
[04:47] <kyja> my problem of drive size cured using>resize2fs /dev/hda1
[04:47] <kyja> I now have 70 gigs free space instead of 50
[04:48] <Jaymac> robertj, Super+E
[04:48] <Jaymac> Super is likely to be the Windows key on your keyboard, unless you mapped it to something else
[04:48] <kyja> yes it is
[04:50] <kyja> however it does not seem to be able to be mapped as a modifier key. ie like shift
[04:50] <kyja> it stands alone and is an anoying single map key being beside the space bar
[04:55] <robertj> hrmm, resume still not working with non-free nvidia?
[05:01] <Reaby> any clue how to enable scandinavian keyboard / characters in wine apps ?
[05:10] <fulat2k> hi folks, i've installed ndiswrapper for my rt2500 based wifi stick.  from /var/log/messages, i can see that ndiswrapper module is loaded properly and even lists down the supported encryption type.  however, even though the interface is up, i can't get connected.  any ideas?
[05:14] <kyja> its been alot of work but I have beta working realy nicely now.
[05:15] <kyja> I have to use ati restricted drivers or I will over clock. and I had to change options for audio including swapping gstreamer movie player for xine back end for same over clocking reason.
[05:16] <NightBird> kyja: yeah.... I had to fight with it a bit myself as well.... it's mostly up and working though... though I haven't tried any of the media software, so I don't even know if all of that is working fine...
[05:16] <kyja> now it purrs. and I fixed my bloated problem with resize2fs. I realy am liking this version
[05:17] <kyja> its prommising
[05:18] <kyja> ugg that sounds awful
[05:18] <kyja> well I have it so os pretty much idles on most things now.
[05:18] <NightBird> kyja: yeah... I had to boot into windows, download ndiswrapper, boot back into kubuntu, compile and install ndiswrapper... then it worked
[05:19] <kyja> oh gosh thats awful
[05:19] <NightBird> anyways..... I'm off to work, bye
[05:19] <kyja> have good day
[05:20] <dennda> after feisty to gutsy upgrade: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Cannot write to ressource.
[05:20] <dennda> any idea?
[05:21] <dennda> (the above error occurs when I click "test" on audio settings-dialog)
[05:21] <kyja> oh man that reminds me I was having errors. where mic was working but I was geting an error dialog. I got to recheck that
[05:22] <kyja> sound prefferences ?
[05:22] <dennda> yes
[05:22] <kyja> I had to select also all the way down
[05:22] <dennda> dunno what it's called in english
[05:22] <kyja> alsa
[05:22] <robertj> does cheese use v4l1 or v4l2?
[05:23] <dennda> did that. very same problem
[05:23] <kyja> I typoed. it is Sound Preferences
[05:23] <kyja> hmm interesting
[05:23] <kyja> I only get an error on input test. but it works
[05:24] <dennda> err
[05:24] <dennda> i hope this is due to upgrading and not doing a fresh install...
[05:26] <kyja> I installed fresh edgy on a partition then upgraded it. then I had to copy it over to old partition after I got it set up and stuff transfered. then merged partitions. fixed grub with suer grub fixed an alocation bug with resize2fs
[05:26] <kyja> now I have a good system
[05:26] <dennda> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[05:27] <kyja> mm
[05:27] <kyja> idk but for giggles maybe open synaptic pachage manager and search >audio driver
[05:31] <dennda> err
[05:31] <dennda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/128585
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128585 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound with SAA7134 - pci id 1102:0005" [Medium,Triaged]
[05:31] <dennda> this is it
[05:31] <dennda> triaged?
[05:32] <dennda> why triaged?
[05:38] <kyja> in my places menu I have to desktop items
[05:39] <kyja> err two
[05:42] <Lhademmor> Hello. Upgrading to Gutsy made Banshee break on my computer.. Anyone else experiencing the same?
[05:43] <dennda> bug report concerning the above mentioned sound problem filed
[05:43] <dennda> let's hope they are fast :)
[05:43] <Lhademmor> dennda, are you talking to me?
[05:44] <arnath> hi, im having trouble installing linux on a new computer with a 8600gts nvidia card in it (problem being that the screen goes blank once the live cd is loaded)
[05:44] <dennda> no
[05:44] <Lhademmor> dennda, ok :)
[05:44] <arnath> seeing as gutsy has better support for screens etc (or so i heard), would it do the trick?
[05:44] <jokerman009> how do i make X work?
[05:47] <llll-> hi, how do i enable sound? (i'm on 7.10, tried whatever i could find on the forums and nothing works)
[05:51] <Dr_willis> odd. My lower gnome panel does not appear (but there is space where it belongs) until i click on it.
[05:52] <DopplerDeffect> Dr_willis, I have the same problem with my top panel. I think it's due to compiz fusion since it does not occur when compiz is dissabled at startup
[05:52] <Jaymac> Is there a problem with Gutsy not automatically mounting NTFS partitions?  I tried adding a line to fstab and the volume disappears from Nautilus...
[05:53] <Jaymac> So every time I reboot I have to manually mount the volume....
[05:53] <DopplerDeffect> llll-, have you tried running alsaconf?
[05:55] <llll-> DopplerDeffect: not yet, how do i go abouts doing it?
[05:55] <DopplerDeffect> llll-, just open terminal and type alsaconf, you may have to sudo it
[05:56] <DopplerDeffect> llll-, scratch what i said, i think alsaconf was from slackware, it's not present in ubuntu i guess
[05:57] <llll-> DopplerDeffect: yes :(
[05:57] <Jaymac> alsamixer?
[05:57] <llll-> Jaymac: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:58] <Jaymac> I came in late, and am not exactly sure what your problem is?
[05:58] <Jaymac> but if you can't open alsamixer you certainly have a problem of some description
[05:58] <llll-> Jaymac: i'm unable to get my sound card to work
[05:59] <Jaymac> what is it?
[05:59] <puma> hi
[05:59] <llll-> sigmatel stac 92xx
[05:59] <puma> SCIM crashed
[06:00] <puma> gnome panel closed unexpectedly
[06:01] <Jaymac> llll do you not have any luck with the System>Preferences>Sound app?
[06:01] <puma> anybody helps?
[06:01] <lemsx1|away> puma: wait until Oct 18 :-P
[06:02] <Jaymac> Press Alt+F2 and type gnome-panel to get your panel back
[06:03] <llll-> audiotestsrc wave==sine freq=512 ! audioconvert !audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed. Please file a bug at...
[06:03] <puma> is it a bug?
[06:04] <puma> it happened only after installed compiz-zonfig
[06:04] <puma> so bad.
[06:05] <puma> each time i need type scim -d in terminal.
[06:06] <puma> restart ubuntu, it shows gnome-panel closed unexpectedly and no SCIM shows on top bar.
[06:17] <khatahn> how can i change the default file manager in kubuntu from dolphin to konqueror?
[06:18] <barduck>  Hi, does the 7.10 includes wubi with it and if not, is there a way to use wubi with 7.10 otherwise ?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> khatahn,  I see THAT as being a #1 Faq.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> khatahn,  and no i dont know how to do it. :)
[06:19] <khatahn> hehe, ok :)
[06:20] <Dr_willis> I see the Opposite asked in #kubuntu all the time.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> no answer to that one either heh.
[06:20] <rjek> Hi.  I'm trying to upgrade to the Gutsy beta to help test it out by launching update-manager -d
[06:21] <rjek> However, the "upgrade tool" it downloads dies, saying:
[06:21] <rjek> could not send the dbus Inhibit signal: global name 'dbus' is not defined
[06:21] <Dr_willis> I normally use that Places Applet. But darn thing opens Dolphin. So now i jsut use the Konqueror button.
[06:21] <rjek> With a Python backtrace following it.  Is this a known issue, or should I not be using the update-manager
[06:21] <rjek> ?
[06:25] <rjek> Alternatively, will just changing my apt sources to be gutsy and doing apt-get dist-upgrade work OK, or is there something specific that the update tool does?
[06:26] <Tuplanolla> rjek, yea, apt-getting with dist-upgrade is the same as update-manager
[06:26] <rjek> Tuplanolla: So what does this update tool do that it downloads?
[06:27] <rjek> (and fails to run)
[06:28] <Tuplanolla> rjek: i dunno, but if you can upgrade with apt-get (or aptitude) it's ok is it?
[06:29] <rjek> Well, I don't know.  I know it will "work", but I was wondering if there were some specific steps required to do it propely if the update manager has to download a special tool to do it.
[06:30] <Tuplanolla> no, it is fine to upgrade with apt-get, at least I did it :]
[06:30] <Tuplanolla> and now I have a well working Gutsy.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> odd.. using vncviewer. and the 'enter password dialog box' pops up. but i CANT select/enter info in to it.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> anyone verify this befor i file a bugg?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> guess it may be a compiz issue also.
[06:31] <Tuplanolla> you could try to disable compiz for a while
[06:31] <Dr_willis> yea. can ya do that on the fly? :) lets see.. I think you CAN cant ya.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Wow. that worked.. This Not having to restart X - is.. amazing
[06:32] <Tuplanolla> yeah, ubuntu ftw
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Bingo.. works without compiz, but not with it...
[06:36] <rjek> I see that pointless bling is still implemented to the highest standards. :)
[06:38] <MrKeuner> hi, I have ubuntu studio installed on a box, can I just change the /etc/apt/sources for gutsy and do a dist-upgrade?
[06:38] <heman> Hello
[06:38] <heman> Is it worth me upgrading to 7.10?
[06:40] <heman> brb restarting comp
[06:40] <Lynoure> heman: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:41] <heman> ubuntu
[06:41] <Lynoure> heman: then I don't know... with kubuntu, would not do it yet if I were not me :)
[06:41] <heman> I looked at it all and it looks better
[06:42] <Lynoure> try the livecd, then decide?
[06:42] <heman> ok brb
[06:42] <Lynoure> For kubuntu there was some annoying bugs still, e.g. with suspend and strigidaemon taking all CPU
[06:45] <rjek> Goddamnit.  I have a CD image of the gutsy beta here.
[06:45] <rjek> How do I upgrade from it?  Synaptic refuses to accept it, because it's looking for a real CD rather than a loopback-mounted one.
[06:46] <anto> Heya guys i just got a gusty update today an i have totaly forgotten how to reinstall my nvidia drivers !'
[06:53] <kyja> ok so some applications still over clock my cpu. I have umm. multi threaded p4 proc that acts like 2 cpu's. its 3.4 gigs and dl from ftp with bible time 1.6.4 over clocks me and kills my power
[06:53] <rjek> How does software overclock your CPU?
[06:54] <kyja> thats what I would like to know. you see it uses a kernel that divides work to the two threads
[06:55] <kyja> so it moves data around between cpu1 and cpu2 but if its not doing that somethings rack 1 cpu to 100% and bam !! emergancy power cut from bois
[06:55] <rjek> Are you sure it's just that your CPU has insufficent cooling, and the machine stiffs when it overheats under load?
[06:56] <aldanon> so i'm still working on compiling this driver for my x-fi soundcard ;)
[06:56] <kyja> well, I had questioned the very same thing before however.. this threading worked fine bore the update.
[06:56] <aldanon> anyone here good at compiling? heh
[06:57] <kyja> mm any luck?
[06:57] <rjek> aldanon: I tend to leave that to GCC :)
[06:57] <rjek> And I tend to leave audio to my Hi Fi. :)
[06:57] <aldanon> gcc?
[06:57] <kyja> gcc compiler
[07:00] <aldanon> creative just released the 64bit driver, but i'm not having any luck so far
[07:00] <nerdzyboy> Im running ubuntu 7.10b, Im having a problem with my wifi card, it is being detected properly, the network manager connects properly to any network but the speed never gets over 10-12 kb/s is that normal? (in windows i can get speeds of 800 kb/s with the same card...)
[07:01] <kyja> aldanon, your 64bit cpu?
[07:01] <aldanon> aye i'm running a 64-bit opteron
[07:02] <rjek> Rather than a 32-bit one? :)
[07:02] <kyja> nerdzyboy, there might be comromize due to distance and obsticles. you can check things ut with iwconfig and set things.
[07:02] <kyja> hehe cool
[07:03] <kyja> this hyper threading thing is driving me bananas !
[07:03] <nerdzyboy> what should the link signal level be for a good connection?
[07:04] <aldanon> thats a question you would want to pose to a cable technician
[07:04] <kyja> to see processor monitor say 50% and all three fans kick on and before you know it. power out
[07:04] <cromo> wth? I updated today (250+ MB of updates) and the resolution under gsm is just 320x240??? after logging in proper resolution is set up again though.
[07:04] <kyja> when I get 64% I can still dl over 1mbit
[07:04] <cromo> *gdm
[07:05] <nerdzyboy> I have a signal of -100 dbm...
[07:05] <macogw> does anyone else have this bug:  you're connected to wireless.  you plug in an ethernet cable.  NetworkManager continues to have the wired network greyed out instead of letting you connect to it
[07:05] <kyja> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"linksys"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[07:05] <kyja>           Mode:Managed  Frequency=2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:13:10:E4:25:29
[07:05] <kyja>           Bit Rate=24 Mb/s   Tx-Power=19 dBm
[07:05] <kyja>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[07:05] <kyja>           Link Quality=76/100  Signal level=-51 dBm  Noise level=-71 dBm
[07:05] <kyja>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[07:05] <kyja>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[07:05] <aldanon> so any compiling wizards in the house?
[07:06] <kyja> yeah your lvl kinda stinks
[07:06] <fulat2k> macogw: yups, have it here.
[07:06] <macogw> ok
[07:06] <hydrogen> !paste | kyja
[07:06] <ubotu> kyja: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:06] <kyja> my oppologies
[07:07] <macogw> next bug: anyone using network-manager-vpnc and have it set to save the passwords in the keyring but finding that it doesn't save them and you have to enter them on login anyway?
[07:07] <kyja> should have msged him actualy
[07:07] <BlueParrot> hmm, I seem to be having a minor bug / misconfiguration / problem
[07:07] <BlueParrot> the quit button in the Xfce menu often fails to log out ...
[07:07] <Dr_willis> !info menu
[07:07] <ubotu> menu: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.34 (gutsy), package size 398 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[07:07] <BlueParrot> as in, I click it and it does nothing ...
[07:08] <BlueParrot> Dr_willis: eh ?
[07:08] <kyja> nerdzyboy, can you relocate closer to the wireless hub to test this issue? you might have to change channels for less interfearance
[07:08] <Dr_willis> i got a bad habbit of typing !info <package>    in my bash shell now, Due to the bot.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:08] <macogw> haha
[07:08] <Dr_willis> i should make up some aliasas
[07:09] <Dr_willis> now THAT would be cool. actually
[07:09] <macogw> Dr_willis: alias !info='apt-cache show"
[07:09] <kyja> so Dr_willis make an alies in bashrc hehe. alias !info='sudo apt-get install"
[07:09] <kyja> hehe
[07:10] <Dr_willis> actually using a ! as part of acommand is not good I think. :) thats bash history stuff
[07:10] <kyja> oooh
[07:10] <kyja> cood point
[07:10] <kyja> darn I typo alot
[07:11] <macogw> oh
[07:11] <kyja> I typed ! at promped and got this "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'"
[07:11] <Dr_willis> apt-cache show   - gives a lot more info also then the bot does.
[07:11] <macogw> didnt know that...
[07:11] <Dr_willis> ! is part of the history feature. Not really used a lot i guess in bash. (or mentioned a lot)
[07:13] <ryancr> well the new nvidia driver didn't seem to solve the black window problem for me, how can I force compiz to use indirect rendering again?
[07:13] <kyja> I created an alias to edit bashrc I am so addicted. alias beg="gedit .bashrc &'
[07:14] <Dr_willis> kyja,  ok.. thats sick. :)
[07:14] <kyja> :)
[07:14] <rjek> Yeah!  gedit!  FOUL.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> go read the 'bash prompt howto' 100 times for pennance..
[07:14] <Dr_willis> :P
[07:15] <kyja> well nano I cant paste thats only be
[07:15] <Dr_willis> Im making 'ubuntu tweaking' scripts - for my lan of 3 ubuntu box's to tweak/setup/install stuff how I like it...
[07:15] <kyja> lol
[07:15] <kyja> nice
[07:15] <Dr_willis> kyja,  install 'gpm' for console cut/pasteing. :) (one of my tweaks)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> then theres setting up vi 'properly' :)
[07:15] <kyja> gpm huh. ok
[07:16] <Dr_willis> who decided to include vim-tiny :0
[07:16] <macogw> fulat2k: bug #148630
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148630 in network-manager-applet "Wired not available in NetworkManager after wireless is used (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148630
[07:16] <emet> gedit for the winnnnn
[07:16] <macogw> emet: eh?
[07:16] <Dr_willis> emet,  untill you ned to edit somting without X :)
[07:17] <Dr_willis> !info gvim
[07:17] <macogw> i <3 vim
[07:17] <ubotu> Package gvim does not exist in gutsy
[07:17] <emet> Dr_willis: gtk-ncurses
[07:17] <Dr_willis> Ack! what!
[07:17] <Dr_willis> no gvim? Hmm..
[07:17] <kyja> yeah, I had been stuck once where x would not start because of a lock file
[07:17] <macogw> when i have to type in textboxes in firefox, i always want to hit <esc>$ to go to end of line, but it doesn't work outside vim and bash (vi is my bash input method)
[07:17] <riotkittie> i <3 pie
[07:17] <BlueParrot> Dr_willis: heh, I located the actual problem with the menu it seems
[07:18] <BlueParrot> Dr_willis: known xfce bug : ) . The quit button fails ...
[07:18] <BlueParrot> "fun"
[07:18] <riotkittie> network-manager == suddenly quite evil  :|
[07:18] <macogw> yeah
[07:18] <macogw> it suddenly started to suck
[07:18] <macogw> "disable wireless" doesn't actually disable wireless either....oh thats likely part of my other bug
[07:19] <kyja> gpm awsome
[07:21] <kyja> I realy think that finaly after much work I have 7.10b working great other than some apps dont work good with the multi threaded dual cpu thing
[07:21] <riotkittie> i like the way it still showed me as connected thirty mins after my connection had dropped :D
[07:22] <kyja> hehe
[07:22] <macogw> im not sure if its nm or nm-applet that i should be reporting against
[07:22] <macogw> because i dont know if the UI isn't sending the signals / responding to signals or if the backend isn't doing anything
[07:22] <riotkittie> ah :|
[07:25] <ryancr> anyone, indirect rendering?
[07:26] <kurisutofuaa> how do you upgrade to from 7.04 to 7.10b? Just testing it out. (Through it in a vm.)
[07:27] <Dr_willis> i wonder if 'fuse' not set for default users. is a bug of a security feature....
[07:27] <macogw> kurisutofuaa: gksu "update-manager -d"
[07:27] <Dr_willis> or a feature. :)
[07:33] <kyja> I have tried to find good resources for bash clippings for cool additions to my rc file :/ hmmm
[07:34] <jhearn> Hi, I've just installed Gutsy and have a few questions. Is this a decent place to ask about the gnome desktop in gutsy?
[07:35] <kyja> as good as any
[07:36] <jhearn> Thanks :) This is a little one, but when I go to the preferences on the workspace switcher applet, there's no option to change the number of workspaces.
[07:36] <jhearn> The docs say that there should be..
[07:36] <kyja> are you talking about multi desktops?
[07:37] <jhearn> virtual desktops
[07:37] <kyja> I have the option
[07:37] <jhearn> I only see "Show only the current workspace" and "Show all workspaces in X rows"
[07:37] <kyja> bold: workspaces ... Number od Workspaces:
[07:38] <kyja> you can resize the window even without the wedge
[07:38] <riotkittie> jhearn: > go to System > Preferences > Appearance. you need to change it there
[07:38] <jhearn> Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Resizing the window didn't reveal anything.
[07:38] <kyja> ahhh, might be different with comprize running
[07:39] <kyja> yeah like riotkittie said
[07:39] <jhearn> Hmm. That was it.
[07:39] <jhearn> Thanks!
[07:40] <riotkittie> yw
[07:40] <jhearn> I disabled compiz and the options on the widget showed up.
[07:41] <IndyGunFreak> !gparted
[07:41] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[07:41] <IndyGunFreak> !partition
[07:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:41] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[07:41] <kyja> ?
[07:41] <kyja> IndyGunFreak, partition trouble?
[07:42] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: naa... i can't get gparted to open up under gutsy, it just goes on "scan devices" forever
[07:42] <riotkittie> i wish i could get used to the reversal of my hard drives
[07:42] <IndyGunFreak> i've disconnected all my external drives, ipods, etc.
[07:42] <riotkittie> oh. now that i'm under gutsy, let me see if i have that problem
[07:42] <kyja> IndyGunFreak, mine was crashing after edit and rescan. anonymous reports were sent out several times
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> i installed the version in the repos, had that problem, so i uninstalled, and compiled the new version from the gparted homepage, with same resujlts
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: its not that big of a deal really, i use a partedmagic live CD, I just like having gparted available on my install.
[07:43] <kyja> perhap you have errors.
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: terminal didn't report any when i ran it in terminal.
[07:44] <IndyGunFreak> like i said, i tjust sat on "scanning devices", for like 10-15min, and i finally force quit gparted
[07:44] <IndyGunFreak> ntfs
[07:44] <kyja> k you would have to run fsck -f on the drive unmounted. -f will tell it check again even if its clean flag is set. did you?
[07:44] <kyja> interesting
[07:45] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: i have 1 drive, 15gig XP partition, 220gig ext3
[07:45] <kyja> nice size.
[07:46] <IndyGunFreak> :)
[07:46] <IndyGunFreak> i only have XP because of my GPS device.
[07:46] <kyja> I had trouble where gutsy looked 40gb now its 20gb same content. nothing deleated. I think that was what I had trouble with
[07:46] <IndyGunFreak> i had it running on XP via VirtualBox, but it was really slow, decided I'd torture myself with a windows install and boot it a couple times a month
[07:47] <IndyGunFreak> i've really had no trouble with gutsy, other than this gparted issue, which isn't that big of a deal.
[07:47] <kyja> you could for giggles run resize2fs /dev/sdax
[07:48] <kyja> mmm. I had some issues. got most of them cleared up how ever one major issue still remains.
[07:48] <IndyGunFreak> i had a little trouble with Dual Monitors, it didn't set up quite as easily as it did in feisty...
[07:48] <riotkittie> i need to get another internal. i dread installing it tho.
[07:48] <kyja> that is in how running applications gets devided between my two cpu threads
[07:49] <kyja> hehe
[07:49] <IndyGunFreak> i actually screwed it bad enough, i couldn't install the proper driver(my fault, as i apparently installed the wrong version), so i reinstalled gutsy, used restricted driver, and had to tweak some setting sto make it work.
[07:49] <IndyGunFreak> external drives are awesome.
[07:49] <kyja> yes they can be
[07:50] <IndyGunFreak> I got a seagate 500gig on sale for $99 at Best buy, and bought a $25 enclosure at Tigerdirect.  $130, 500gigs of external storage
[07:50] <riotkittie> this would be more awesome if i could use it on my laptop.
[07:50] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: yeah, i like mine cuz i can use it on my laptop and my PC..
[07:51] <riotkittie> and since sending my last external dropping to its death, i am kind of wary :P
[07:51] <kyja> there is a 400gig model that can slide into my hp pavilion. I want badly
[07:51] <riotkittie> i should just remove it from the enclosure and make sure that it's toast. but my other half won't let me. :|
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: lol, i have 2 externals, 1 80gig, 1 500, my 80gig, has everything real important to me backed up, and just sits in a drawer, the 500gig, gets regular updates
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> both are in enclosures i bought from TD
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> whats the terminal command to view disk info?... is it df?
[07:52] <riotkittie> i've only gone the premade seagate route because i'm lazy like that :P
[07:52] <riotkittie> yea, df
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, doesn't show anything about my ntfs partition
[07:52] <riotkittie> my first was a 500. the one that i've got now is 300 :|
[07:53] <riotkittie> is your ntfs mounted?
[07:53] <kyja> a friend ups'ed me a 30gig ipod that he was only using as a backup of his os lol. he decided he would give it to me.
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> i love my 30gig ipod.
[07:53] <riotkittie> i need a larger ipod.
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> i wish they made a waterproof one i could wear when i swim..lol
[07:54] <riotkittie> i am suffering with a mere 2gb nano ;(
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> of course then i'd need waterproof headphones.
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> i have a 4gig nano, and a 30gig video.
[07:54] <macogw> i have a 30g zen and could never use all that memory
[07:54] <macogw> i wanna sell it for a sansa e2xx
[07:54] <macogw> i only have like 6gb of songs total after ripping all my songs
[07:54] <macogw> *all my cds
[07:54] <riotkittie> i have 30+ gb of music  at the moment.
[07:55] <IndyGunFreak> macogw:  i had a sansa e2 something.. maybe e210?  4gig it was pretty nice, when i got my nano, i gave it to my youngest sister when my nephew accidentally broke her mp3 player(it was some cheapy)
[07:55] <riotkittie> anh will have much more once we find all of our CDs, and i get the motivation to rip four crates of records
[07:55] <kyja> I put like 20 gigs of styx journey and queen on mine
[07:55] <IndyGunFreak> my ipod has about 10gigs free.. mostly country, old rock, 80's, etc.
[07:55] <macogw> riotkittie: yeah ripping records would add more to mine...
[07:56] <kyja> how can you jam to kenny g?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:57] <IndyGunFreak> i downloaded some cool mac icons from gnome-look.org yesterday
[07:57] <kyja> lol
[07:57] <AncientRelic> is there any reason why Gutsy didn't load "xserver-xgl" when I upgraded?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[07:57] <Dr_willis> http://www.ubuntuhq.com/content/no-more-automatix%3F-automagic-codec-and-flash-install-ubuntu-gutsy
[07:58] <Dr_willis> This guy said that Gutsy auto-installed flash for him?  It dident for me...
[07:58] <Dr_willis> or was that a recent change?
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: it did for me to.. well, just like windows anyways, click the add plugin, choose adobe, and it installed
[07:58] <riotkittie> "Flash pug-in".  hee hee hee. that amuses me greatly.
[07:58] <Dr_willis> Then again.. the guy couldent  aparently install it befor.. without using automatix.
[07:58] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  hmm.. i dident even try that. :)
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: lol, case in point..lol
[07:59] <Dr_willis> Death of AUtomatix = a good thing. :)
[07:59] <alka_trash> I noticed logging into gnome, takes a little longer - does anyone know a fix?
[07:59] <kyja> it is a good thing. realy
[07:59] <IndyGunFreak> i used automatix, and it wasnt that bad, then i started reading about the hell it had caused many others, and decided to do away with it.
[07:59] <kyja> and its true. firefox installed java and flash for me
[07:59] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: did it die?... i saw many of the newbs bemoaning that their site was down
[08:00] <kyja> movie player installed missing codec
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> i used it on edgy, didn't bother with feisty and now gutsy
[08:00] <riotkittie> i don't see why people turn to automatix.
[08:00] <alka_trash> it's really scary when Michael Dell recommends Automatix
[08:00] <kyja> this is the way it should be. with disclaimers of non free choices
[08:00] <alka_trash> scarry
[08:00] <riotkittie> does he really, alka_trash ?
[08:00] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  with every release of ubuntu.. automatix becomes less and less needed.
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: because they don't want to work at making th eir PC and Linux work.. they want it dumbed down to where they don't have to think.. its a sign of society
[08:01] <AncientRelic> In Gutsy, how do I get the desktop cube?
[08:01] <kyja> it says the right progress is being made to ubuntu
[08:01] <Dr_willis> alka_trash,  yep.. people that have no idea about computer long term security/updating/ussage .. just wanting 'idiot proofing for the short term'
[08:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: true, but with the medibuntu repo.. installing codecs is about as difficult as mailing a letter.. if you ask me anyways
[08:01] <riotkittie> IndyGunFreak: i know, i know. but as much as i know, i can't wrap my head around it, whatsoever
[08:01] <alka_trash> riotkittie: I remember seeing a page from dell on what Mr Dell is running and on his Ubuntu Laptop he listed Automatix
[08:01] <kyja> AncientRelic, i do believe you have to run beryl
[08:01] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  yep. That out for gutsy now> not chedked lately.
[08:01] <Dr_willis> alka_trash,  now the DMCA and RIAA can sue him!
[08:01] <Dr_willis> )
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: i just used the feisty medibuntu repo, and its worked fine w/ Gutsy w/o modification
[08:02] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  cool. was wondering about that.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> will have to check it out later.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> gotta go to to work. ICK! now. :)
[08:02] <AncientRelic> kyja: not worth it then, I'm getting just about all the effects I want from Desktop Effects turned all the way up
[08:02] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: its given me no issues, i just used it for DVDs, multimedia, googlearth, and adobe acrobat, and all those programs work fine.
[08:02] <riotkittie> AncientRelic: install compiz-settings-manager
[08:03] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: thanks
[08:03] <alka_trash> A little older now, but on the 3rd paragraph it lists Automatix  http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5149877302.html
[08:04] <riotkittie> lol. i will have to add him to my list of people to send angry letters to
[08:04] <IndyGunFreak> you know before deciding to put gutsy on my laptop and my PC, i was messing with Beafanatix Linux.. based on ubuntu.. it has so much promise for slow PC's, but its based on freakin Ubuntu Breezy
[08:04] <IndyGunFreak> but man is it fast
[08:05] <riotkittie> all my slow machines get slackware. or zenwalk. <3
[08:05] <IndyGunFreak> i tried zenwalk.. used it in vbox, it was pretty cool.
[08:05] <AncientRelic> I'm getting a new laptop in a week or so, since I've got compiz running beautifully on my spare box with an X300 video card, I'm less concerned about ATI graphics in my laptop
[08:05] <riotkittie> although i guess a server install with flux on top would work alright
[08:05] <IndyGunFreak> i may put tha ton my laptop.... i'd honestly forgot about it.
[08:05] <IndyGunFreak> it woule give me a distro thats a bit "harder".. to learn stuff
[08:05] <riotkittie> my x300 makes me a sad panda
[08:06] <SimSim> afternoon.
[08:06] <SimSim> need help, When I reboot my pc it doesn't load my nvidia, I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia, then startx and then it loads nvidia as normal, how can I fix this?
[08:06] <riotkittie> i have zen on my laptop, alongside dapper
[08:06] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: with 7600GS cards below 80 USD it can't be that bad
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> Zenwalk is based on slack, correct?
[08:06] <riotkittie> yep
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> so it shoud be fast.
[08:06] <titun> can i hope this problem to be solved in Gutsy final release? on feisty on boot my keyboard+touchpad hangs, sp i have to do ACPI=Off but this takes away my audio??
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> but man, all that compiling.. .. ::shutter::
[08:06] <riotkittie> oh it's mindblowingly fast.
[08:07] <SimSim> unless you have brain damage, then speed won't be an issue.
[08:07] <IndyGunFreak> cuz it doesn't have any sort of package manager does it?... you basically scour the net to insall dependencies
[08:08] <riotkittie> there's slapt-get and gslapt but i'm not sure how well those work, or how well they handle depends
[08:08] <assasukasse> hi all, when gutsy will be released, what will be the easiest way to install on a feisty system with some additional repos added (not official repo, like the one for hinted fonts and so on)
[08:08] <IndyGunFreak> slapt-get..lol  thats great
[08:08] <riotkittie> :D
[08:08] <Evanlec> lol
[08:08] <IndyGunFreak> assasukasse: i'd imagine disable them, upgrade, then re-enable
[08:09] <SimSim> ass, dist-upgrade :D
[08:09] <assasukasse> IndyGunFreak: thanks, that is what i wanted to do, i just wanted another word :D
[08:09] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: i think he's concerned about unofficial repos dragging in upgrades that would bork the upgrade
[08:09] <IndyGunFreak> hey Evanlec  didn't see you come in
[08:09] <Evanlec> hey hey
[08:09] <titun> can i hope to get my ACPI=Off problem solved in Gutsy?
[08:10] <IndyGunFreak> ::flip a coin:::
[08:10] <SimSim> ag
[08:10] <SimSim> ah
[08:10] <kyja> apt-slapt install ?
[08:10] <Evanlec> i put the acpi=off option on and for some reason on bootup i still see it loading the acpi module
[08:10] <titun> acpi=on hangs my touchpad+keyboard and acpi=off takes away my audio
[08:10] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: which repo is compiz-settings-manager in?
[08:11] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: thats part of the problem with automatix(among others anyways), most of the problems, seem when trying to upgrade, it starts dragging in upgrades from every which direction, then really hoses things good, thus you end up reinstalling.
[08:11] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, i believe Amaranth's
[08:11] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: OK, I'm going to start with gnome-compiz-manager for now
[08:11] <riotkittie> AncientRelic: sorry, its compizconfig-settings-manager  ... and its in universe
[08:11] <SimSim> well with automatix there will be a gutsy version out anyway
[08:11] <SimSim> for those that use it
[08:11] <Pici> !automatix
[08:11] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:11] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: thanks for the correction
[08:12] <Evanlec> i used automatix :( thus why im going to clean install gutsy
[08:12] <SimSim> I liked it in the beginning, then I just found it useless
[08:12] <riotkittie> AncientRelic: i always mess that up and fail to catch it on time :o
[08:12] <IndyGunFreak> Evanlec: probably a good idea.. and you like tinkering anyways, start doing stuff the right way...lol
[08:12] <SimSim> no need for a clean install really
[08:12] <kyja> alias ns='netstat -alnp --protocol=inet | grep -v CLOSE_WAIT | cut -c-6,21-94 | tail +2'
[08:12] <IndyGunFreak> just remove the automatix repo.
[08:12] <Evanlec> IndyGunFreak, yep, im going to do things the right way this time ;p
[08:12] <SimSim> just remove it and remove the repos
[08:13] <SimSim> then do a dist-upgrade
[08:13] <SimSim> and voila
[08:13] <Evanlec> u tink so?
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> ya.. that should do it.
[08:13] <SimSim> thats what I did
[08:13] <Evanlec> hmmm
[08:13] <riotkittie> i'd do a clean install. but i alwaaays do clean installs
[08:13] <riotkittie> :P
[08:13] <SimSim> from feisty/automatix to gutsy/no automatix
[08:13] <Evanlec> interesting
[08:13] <Evanlec> i kinda wanted to setup some softraid/lvm action tho
[08:13] <riotkittie> with the exception of my laptop. because it's just not liking the edgy or feisty discs
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> this of couirse, coming from someone who hates upgrading, i do clean isntalls everytime, but i've heard what simsim just describes, works fine
[08:14] <riotkittie> if i had to dist-upgrade on dialup, <cringe>
[08:14] <SimSim> I also am a no upgrade person in any OS, i prefer clean installs, but I said what the hell
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: lol, yikes
[08:14] <Evanlec> hmph
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> how long does it even take to do an upgrade?
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> i've heard around 2hrs.
[08:14] <titun> " If you regularly update, you already have it" does this mean i have most the features/functanalities that gutsy has to offer if my current system is up-to-date?
[08:14] <SimSim> I said to myself let me do it, for fun, so I did it, and it worked so I got lazy to do a clean install :)
[08:15] <SimSim> well im on a 1mbit line
[08:15] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: About 2.5 Hours for me from feisty to Gutsy
[08:15] <IndyGunFreak> see, that makes no sense.
[08:15] <Evanlec> titun, yes
[08:15] <SimSim> 2.5 hrs? hmm took me less
[08:15] <SimSim> but then I do regular upgrade checks daily
[08:15] <riotkittie> IndyGunFreak: mine were really fast, i'm going to say like an hour, if even that
[08:15] <AncientRelic> SimSim: I'm on DSL
[08:15] <riotkittie> maybe 30 mins
[08:15] <titun> Evanlec: ah...gr8
[08:15] <Evanlec> i get about 500kB/s downstream from ubuntu repos
[08:16] <riotkittie> i remeber the good old days of downloading Linux ISOs on a 56k :x
[08:16] <SimSim> sometimes do apt-get update twice a day
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> no kdding, i used a torrent to download the gutsy alternate iso(bout 15min) reinstalled in about 20-25min. spent about 20-25min reinstalling and removing applications that I didn't want anymore.
[08:16] <Evanlec> they're usually nice and fast, saturate my pipe very nicely ;)
[08:16] <SimSim> true
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> anmd about 20min or so moving videos, mp3s, etc,. from my external drive back to my new install.
[08:16] <SimSim> doing a clean install is like getting an enema done.
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> then probably 10-15, going through all my programs and adjusting settings
[08:16] <macogw> hahah
[08:16] <AncientRelic> SimSim: That's what I'm doing on my primary box when Gutsy is released
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: yeah, plus i can make sure i have no viruses.. :)
[08:16] <SimSim> haha
[08:17] <SimSim> speaking of viruses
[08:17] <SimSim> I tried avg today
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> any good?
[08:17] <SimSim> its not bad actually
[08:17] <SimSim> as a linux antivirus scanner
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i use it on my xp partition.. why i don't know.. i boot XP 1x a month..
[08:17] <Evanlec> i feel like i should do clean install tho, i feel like i kinda littered and messied my current filesystem, for instance installing games n crap in strange folders like /usr/local/games
[08:17] <SimSim> at least it lets me scan harddrives that I connect to my usb external for repairs
[08:17] <riotkittie> i boot into xp like once a day <hangs head in shame>
[08:17] <Evanlec> hah! linux really doesnt have virus problems...
[08:17] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: A little VMware workstation, and you'll never dual boot again
[08:18] <SimSim> no but I use it to scan harddrives with windows on it before I repair/recover from them from clients
[08:18] <riotkittie> but i am spending a lot more time in ubuntu since caving and going the ndiswrapper route. mmm, stable wireless.
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: i actualy tried it.. i boot Vmware to manage my GPS device, and it absolutely sucked in Vmware.. very very slow... decided giving 15-20gigs to XP, was worth the hassle.
[08:18] <SimSim> to be honest its better than clamav
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[08:18] <SimSim> and faster scanning
[08:18] <SimSim> but like I said I only installed it today
[08:18] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: ouch
[08:18] <riotkittie> avg <3
[08:19] <Evanlec> i couldnt stand AVG on windows...kept bugging me with updates n crap
[08:19] <SimSim> so i'll give it a few days to try
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: its ok, Ubuntu has about 220ish..lol
[08:19] <AncientRelic> but I have hope if VMware is adding DX9 support to Fusion
[08:19] <SimSim> well avg linux doesn't bug you
[08:19] <SimSim> and it looks almost like clamav :)
[08:19] <AncientRelic> Then DX9 for Workstation shouldn't be far behind
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> how difficult was it to compile?
[08:19] <Evanlec> yea, i imagine its better
[08:20] <SimSim> no compile, its in the avg website .deb :)
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: hmm, sweet.. link?
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> avg.com?
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> oh wait, grisoft.com
[08:20] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, directx9 on vmware? eh? games thru vmware?
[08:20] <riotkittie> on a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to set up a vm?
[08:20] <SimSim> yea
[08:20] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: Yep
[08:20] <SimSim> 1 begeing easy?
[08:20] <SimSim> being*
[08:20] <riotkittie> i remember looking into it on my laptop but given my hardware, it wasnt happening
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> i'll put it on my laptop, see how ti goes.
[08:20] <riotkittie> SimSim: yes
[08:21] <SimSim> well pretty easy
[08:21] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, no way?? when is this happening lol
[08:21] <SimSim> and im a noob
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> vm is pretty easy.
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> i liked Virtualbox when i messed with it.
[08:21] <SimSim> took me about 10 minutes including download/install
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> Evanlec: there's a lot of info via google if you do some searching.
[08:21] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/26/vmware-fusion-1-1b-for-intel-macs-available
[08:21] <SimSim> but then I switched to virtualbox
[08:21] <Evanlec> i heard virtualbox was a lot faster than vmware
[08:21] <SimSim> found it faster
[08:21] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: Note that its for the Mac product
[08:22] <riotkittie> i'll have to give one of them a go, then
[08:22] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: but it should translate pretty well
[08:22] <IndyGunFreak> i got pretty good at running various Linux OS's in Virtualbox, and they all ran fine, but XP was awful
[08:22] <SimSim> dont forget to look in youtube for so many tutorials
[08:22] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: I've got 2005 MCE running just fine on my VMware 6
[08:22] <SimSim> there are many people youtubing how to's for lots of ubuntu stuff
[08:22] <SimSim> so if you can't follow directions, a video should do the trick
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: yeah, i might have done something wrong, but it woudl be fine, until i hooked up my GPS device, then it would get so slow my mouse was jerking,e tc.
[08:23] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: What CPU on your box?
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> 2.4ghz AMD 3200+
[08:23] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: S939?
[08:23] <SimSim> so anyway anyone wanna help me with my wierd nvidia loading problem?
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> 939?
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> you mean the socket?
[08:24] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: Si senor
[08:24] <Evanlec> lol
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> i don't think so, if i recall, thats fairly new, this is about a year old
[08:24] <SimSim> I reboot the machine and it starts to load it gets to the gdm but then it gets to that xorg gui config, so I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia then startx and it loads nvidia fine
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> it might be though, when i built it, i pretty much splurged on it.
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> i'll find my motherboard manual and look.
[08:24] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: If you've got a Socket AM2 motherboard, RUN and get a X2 3600+ from Newegg
[08:25] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: Less than 60 USD for dual core
[08:25] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: and VMware loves dual core
[08:25] <SimSim> nothing wrong with my 478pin :)
[08:25] <Evanlec> less than 60$ for an x2 ?
[08:25] <Evanlec> no kiddin...
[08:25] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: hmm, i was planning to build a new box in Jan/Feb...
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> maybe i'll do it a bit early
[08:26] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: If you're going new system
[08:26] <AncientRelic> Jan is perfect
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> ya.
[08:26] <AncientRelic> Intel new Q9300 quad core for 275ish
[08:26] <SimSim> or wait till jan and the processor will come free with a 10pack condom purchase
[08:26] <Evanlec> <---socket 775 ;)
[08:26] <Evanlec> LOL
[08:27] <Evanlec> condoms and cpu's don't go together
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> ya, i gotta start turning into a hardware geek again and read up on this stuff.. i've been so stuck on linux the last year, haven't paid much attention to hardware, but I've built about 6-7 PC's in that time for family/friends
[08:27] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103052
[08:27] <AncientRelic> just to prove it ;)
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: wheres the free version of AVG on grisoft's site?.. i'm not findint it.
[08:27] <SimSim> too bad newegg doesn't ship overseas
[08:27] <SimSim> Indy Ill get it for ya
[08:27] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: http://free.grisoft.com
[08:27] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, lol thats amazing...those x2's used to be super expensive
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: ?.. is the linux version there to?
[08:28] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: I know, everybody should be dual core
[08:28] <SimSim> www.grisoft.com/linux
[08:28] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0?prd=afl
[08:28] <AncientRelic> there you go
[08:28] <john1212> how stable is gutsy?
[08:28] <SimSim> oops
[08:28] <SimSim> not the free :)
[08:28] <SimSim> yea ancient got ya
[08:29] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, im runnin a pentium-D but...wondering if i should upgrade to a pentium EE (pentiumD with hyperthreading) or just get a new mobo and a new quad core chip next year or so
[08:29] <SimSim> john, how stable are you?
[08:29] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: what mobo?
[08:29] <Evanlec> lol
[08:29] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: thanks, dont' know how i missed it.
[08:29] <AncientRelic> john1212: Its running great for me
[08:29] <hetauma> is there any way that I can check the chagelog of the programs I update?
[08:29] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=1903&ProductName=GA-8I955X%20Pro
[08:29] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: yeah you're SOL for dual core
[08:30] <AncientRelic> I mean Core 2
[08:30] <Evanlec> u mean for intel core duo?
[08:30] <Evanlec> yea
[08:30] <SimSim> 1.8 dualcore pentium overclocking to 3.2
[08:30] <SimSim> 83$US
[08:30] <AncientRelic> Oh wait
[08:30] <SimSim> worth it I think :)
[08:30] <AncientRelic> Evanlec, with a BIOS update you can run C2D
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> did anyone have trouble with all those updates this morning?.. there wa a long list, but they only took like 2min.. i did notice it upgraded Pidgin to the latest release with that bug fix
[08:30] <AncientRelic> oh wait you can'
[08:30] <AncientRelic> can't
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> but i'd already compiled it.
[08:30] <AncientRelic> stupid website
[08:30] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, c2d?
[08:31] <SimSim> I thought it was A2Z
[08:31] <john1212> AncientRelic:  if i upgrade to it and not like it can i remove it and have 7.04 back with out losing data?
[08:31] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: read the chart wrong, you are screwed
[08:31] <Evanlec> lol
[08:31] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:31] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, but i can get a pentium EE
[08:31] <SimSim> john, no
[08:31] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: don't hold anything back, tell him the truth..lol
[08:31] <SimSim> you can keep the kernels
[08:31] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: for the cost of an EE you can get a new mobo and a C2Q
[08:31] <SimSim> kernels and OS version are two different entities
[08:32] <SimSim> kewl
[08:32] <SimSim> let me know what you think
[08:32] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, really? hmm...what about my ram? is that transplantable? its ddr2...not great stuff tho
[08:32] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
[08:32] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: Yep the memory will go over
[08:32] <SimSim> get a combo mobo
[08:32] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: is it PC4200 or PC5300?
[08:33] <AncientRelic> either way it will work
[08:33] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, im not sure...how would i check?
[08:33] <AncientRelic> Core 2 is less bandwidth dependant than P-D
[08:33] <Evanlec> it was rated at 667mhz i tink
[08:33] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: it says i don't have permission to do an update.. you need root to run a update?
[08:33] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: PC5300
[08:33] <AncientRelic> you're good for now
[08:33] <SimSim> yea Indy
[08:34] <SimSim> just do sudo avggui
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> ok...
[08:34] <SimSim> and update
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> seems like th ey'd have just made that part of the menu entry, i'll modify that
[08:34] <AncientRelic> I think I'd be a god if there was an #ubuntu-hardware channel :P
[08:34] <SimSim> no you'd be the dirt that the worm that I stepped on
[08:35] <AncientRelic> Why thank you
[08:35] <SimSim> your welcome
[08:35] <SimSim> even dirt can be gods
[08:35] <SimSim> just ask terry pratchett
[08:35] <AncientRelic> I love Discworld
[08:36] <SimSim> ook!
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: the GUI could be a little better, but its not bad.. i'll run a system scan see if it finds anything..lol
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> i just modified my menu entry so it uses root to open it and asks for my password, kinda silly they didn't do that
[08:37] <SimSim> try to hook a windows harddrive to your pc and do a scan too :)
[08:37] <IndyGunFreak> lol, i'll do that on my pc
[08:37] <IndyGunFreak> shojuldn't take to long to scan my laptop, nothing really on it...lol
[08:37] <SimSim> there is ONE good use for this antivirus other than scanning windows harddrives
[08:38] <SimSim> at least it will scan your emails if you use evolution or third party email apps
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: ? and that is?
[08:38] <SimSim> I tried it, and it found a few viruses
[08:38] <SimSim> but then again they were windows viruses
[08:38] <AncientRelic> brb all
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: hmm, hadnt thought of that, but i use gmail's website ..
[08:39] <SimSim> yea me too, but I have one account that is part of work, so I have to download and not webmail it
[08:39] <IndyGunFreak> makes ssense
[08:40] <SimSim> good thing im on nix :)
[08:40] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:40] <IndyGunFreak> 1002 files scanned, no viruses found...lol, whew
[08:40] <SimSim> it was fast right?
[08:40] <IndyGunFreak> oh ya.
[08:40] <stefgl> SimSim: do you really forward funny mails with spoof.pdf.exe attachments to win-users? Do you really need an antivirus to tell you theres a virus/trojan in it ?
[08:40] <disasm> upgraded last night, no problems whatsoever, worked like a charm, had all feisty updates done before the upgrade, well there was one problem, ran out of disk space, but removing UT2004 fixed that problem (I knew I should have done a 40 gig root instead of 20...)
[08:40] <SimSim> stef :)...maybe
[08:41] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: when i scan all files though, i get an error... "  /       Cannot Open; not checked!  Input/output error".. whats that mean?
[08:41] <IndyGunFreak> its got root access.
[08:41] <SimSim> how could you remove ut?
[08:41] <SimSim> shame on you man
[08:42] <SimSim> Indy, prolly it was trying to open a dev file?
[08:42] <IndyGunFreak> stefgl: linux version?
[08:42] <disasm> SimSim: i don't play video games ;-) I couldn't even beat it on "skilled" difficulty
[08:42] <IndyGunFreak> just trying to figure out what that error means, doens't make sense, cuz i didn't have   / selected
[08:42] <SimSim> hmm
[08:42] <stefgl> IndyGunFreak: that's a native linux app :-)
[08:42] <disasm> IndyGunFreak: I hope your joking ;-)
[08:42] <SimSim> could be a glitch
[08:42] <SimSim> or your HD is about to die
[08:42] <disasm> stefgl: it depends, some windows converts can't seem to get it to run correctly
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> lol, didn't know that, no i wasn't joking
[08:43] <stefgl> IndyGunFreak: See what i mean... get an idea or leave ... :-)
[08:43] <SimSim> well i/o errors usually mean your drive isnt reading the file correctly
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: ya.
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> brain 2.0, i'll have to look for it.
[08:44] <SimSim> you might want to livecd, then fsck it to check for bad blocks and the files are ok
[08:44] <SimSim> never fsck your drive while your in the system
[08:44] <IndyGunFreak> its my lapop, probalby is bad blocks, its a clunker
[08:44] <SimSim> rephrase, dont fsck your root drive while mounted.
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> ya
[08:45] <SimSim> my HD is dying too
[08:45] <disasm> stefgl: I upgraded to brain 3.0, it allows me to compile my own software, including custom kernels!
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: but i got it like a year ago for about 150ish, it wasn't a bad deal
[08:45] <SimSim> :)
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> so what is brain's homepage?
[08:45] <disasm> roflol
[08:46] <IndyGunFreak> i really got it just to experiment w/ different distros, w/o screwing with my PC.
[08:46] <SimSim> talking about brain had me thinking of all the brain games I have on my ds
[08:46] <SimSim> also got me hungry
[08:46] <SimSim> deep fried brains and liver
[08:46] <SimSim> mmm
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> well googling Brain for Linux turns up zilch
[08:47] <SimSim> breaded fried brains with salad and tahina
[08:47] <SimSim> mmmmm
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> stefgl: what is brain's homepage
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> wait a second...lol
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> i just caught onto this.
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> brain can be found at onshoulders.com  i'm guessing?
[08:48] <disasm> I just had to explain to my boss why I'm laughing so hard ;-)
[08:48] <SimSim> clever boy :)
[08:48] <SimSim> now he gets it
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> disasm: cut me some slack, i worked 16 yesterday, woke up at 4am, lol
[08:48] <SimSim> ya ya
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> i need to get back to bed
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> but i'm on call right now.
[08:49] <SimSim> excuses
[08:49] <disasm> lol ;-) it's still funny though ;-)
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> i know.
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> it was funny, i agree.
[08:49] <Evanlec> what do i want here...vmware workstation?
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> if you guys don't mind being offtopic for a few minutes, i'll tell you a funny story about something i done when i was tired
[08:49] <SimSim> or as teenage american pop idolers would say, you got punk'd
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> well, most people find it hilarious,
[08:50] <SimSim> off topic from what? we've been talking about brains and food
[08:50] <Evanlec> i gotta get a license for vmware workstation? eh?
[08:50] <SimSim> its free
[08:50] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: true but i don't want to raise anyones ire
[08:50] <SimSim> oh workstation
[08:50] <Evanlec> http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/lic_601_lin.html
[08:50] <SimSim> just use vmware server
[08:50] <IndyGunFreak> ok, well here goes,
[08:50] <SimSim> vmware server free licence, or use virtualbox (nicer, faster)
[08:51] <Evanlec> what about vmware fusion? ;p
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> hold on, i'll write it in paste, and you can read if you like..lol
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> !paste
[08:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:51] <disasm> IndyGunFreak: I use clamav on my mail server to get rid of all the virus spam, it's in ubuntu if you really want a virus scanner. I think there is a graphical version as well, avscan I think it is.
[08:51] <SimSim> you have to collect all dragonballs first to use vmware fusion
[08:51] <Evanlec> lol
[08:52] <Evanlec> im confused about vmware
[08:53] <SimSim> I wont be long here, cause I'll have to remove --purge any nvidia stuff I have and reinstall it again, cant find on google about why im getting this problem
[08:53] <SimSim> Evanlec, what exactly?
[08:53] <Evanlec> what is this new version of vmware thats sposed to have 3d support?
[08:53] <SimSim> well ignore that for now
[08:53] <SimSim> you still wont be able to install vista and run halo 3 from it
[08:53] <Evanlec> lol
[08:54] <disasm> SimSim: what problem?
[08:54] <Evanlec> okay, and how bout virtualbox with windows XP?
[08:54] <Evanlec> it works well?
[08:54] <SimSim> well when I reboot my machine it doesnt load the nvidia module as normal, it gets to the xorg gui configurator screen, I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia, then startx and it reloads my nvidia as normal again
[08:54] <SimSim> Evanlec, yes.
[08:55] <disasm> gui configuration screen?
[08:55] <SimSim> you know the new xorg gui thing that pops up if the xorg.conf file isnt loading the right module
[08:56] <minimec> SimSim: Could it be that you didn't save the changes of the nvidia-software to /etc/xorg.conf? There is a button there.
[08:56] <kbrosnan> I am having a problem with the nvidia restricted drivers, if i use them the x server hangs right after the ubuntu boot progress bar is finished. details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3469564
[08:56] <SimSim> well thats just it
[08:56] <SimSim> my xorg.conf HAS "nvidia" in it
[08:56] <Evanlec> SimSim, how bout games? that going to be possible anytime soon? when can i get rid of my windows partition?? lol
[08:56] <SimSim> and it loads after I rmmod and startx it
[08:57] <minimec> SimSim: Ok. So it is definitly a boot problem.
[08:57] <SimSim> Evanlec well there are many linux game alternatives to some windows ones..and then there is CEDEGA I use it to play fifa
[08:57] <disasm> SimSim: I haven't seen it yet, is it new in gutsy?
[08:57] <Evanlec> Cedega....oye
[08:57] <SimSim> yea disasm
[08:57] <SimSim> its actually nice
[08:57] <SimSim> instead of old dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:58] <disasm> I always just did Xorg -configure ;-)
[08:58] <minimec> SimSim: Try to make a boot.log. You may have to activate that in the services.
[08:58] <SimSim> I understand, but for noobs its heaven
[08:58] <disasm> it sounds pretty cool
[08:58] <SimSim> minimec ah thats it..I forgot to check that
[08:58] <disasm> does it do restricted?
[08:59] <minimec> SimSim: ... and maybe an xorg.log too. It's in /var/log
[08:59] <SimSim> yes disasm
[08:59] <SimSim> mini, I forgot about that too :)
[08:59] <SimSim> thanx
[09:00] <SimSim> ill check it now
[09:00] <disasm> So, if I move my xorg.conf aside and run startx will it run it? I might have to test it when I get home...
[09:00] <disasm> Oh, and does it to dual head configuration? That's the one thing that's a pain if you don't know how to make a custom xorg.conf file
[09:00] <Evanlec> SimSim, http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=2019
[09:00] <SimSim> cause what I did was compile a new nvidia driver, then I upgraded the kernel, then i forgot what I did, I think I installed glx-new, then I removed linux-restricted, then reinstalled again..then I forgot..
[09:01] <SimSim> disasm it does have that too
[09:01] <minimec> disasm: Removing the .conf file. I don't guess so.
[09:01] <disasm> SimSim: are you running a custom kernel or stock?
[09:01] <SimSim> stock
[09:01] <SimSim> 22-12
[09:02] <disasm> but you built a nvidia module from the nvidia site?
[09:02] <SimSim> yea
[09:02] <SimSim> and I even deleted the secret .nvidia file thats hidden in the /lib/ or /var/ modules directory
[09:02] <SimSim> did a lot of googling
[09:02] <disasm> SimSim: hmmm, I know it throws stuff in a number of places, I don't think there is any easy way to unistall it
[09:02] <SimSim> let me check my logs and see what it says
[09:03] <SimSim> yea thats the problem
[09:03] <minimec> SimSim: Why didn't you use the official restricted driver?
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> here you go guys, tell me what you think, i have to leave in a second, is this not th stupidest thing you've ever heard
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39469/
[09:03] <SimSim> well because it was v 100.xx before the restricted ones were out :)
[09:03] <disasm> SimSim: if you still have the install file, sh filename.run --uninstall
[09:03] <RivaeAerya> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy?
[09:03] <SimSim> ah thats what I should do
[09:04] <SimSim> good idea disasm
[09:04] <SimSim> brb
[09:04] <disasm> RivaeAerya: not unless you can fix it if it breaks
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> nevermind, that paste i all screwed up, i'll do it later.
[09:04] <minimec> SimSim: dsam is right. I would do that
[09:04] <RivaeAerya> disasm: then it's not safe
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> gotta go all, be safe
[09:04] <SimSim> yea
[09:04] <SimSim> btw about the xorg gui
[09:04] <SimSim> http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/
[09:05] <minimec> SimSim: ... and then try the ubuntu restricted
[09:05] <disasm> RivaeAerya: wait till in releases, even if the upgrade goes okay, nothing to say an update won't screw something serious up
[09:05] <SimSim> the two screenshots there are similar to what I have
[09:05] <Evanlec> lol
[09:05] <RivaeAerya> disasm: alright. i heard it supported my videocard completely. I have an ATI Radeon 9250
[09:05] <Evanlec> good story indy
[09:05] <SimSim> minimec obviously :) I just wanted to figure out a way to do this, and --uninstall should do it
[09:06] <SimSim> I think I should arrange a release party for 7.10 in my area
[09:06] <HardDisk> meh taken
[09:07] <HDisk> ok there we go
[09:07] <HDisk> simsim was just a nick I picked to get on quick
[09:07] <HDisk> well its what my mom called me as a baby
[09:08] <HDisk> brb door
[09:08] <minimec> ... quiet romantic ;)
[09:11] <hylje> how quiet
[09:11] <kbrosnan> I am having a problem with the nvidia restricted drivers, if i use them the x server hangs right after the ubuntu boot progress bar is finished. details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3469564 or just ask me for more info
[09:12] <disasm> RivaeAerya: well, if your card isn't fully supported now, it might be worth doing an upgrade, just know if it has problems, your out of a machine till you fix em'
[09:13] <ikonia> kbrosnan: anything in the xorg or gdm log files ?
[09:13] <RivaeAerya> disasm: well... somebody said that in #ubuntu-offtopic, and i don't know if i can trust those words, because the open-source Radeon driver works fine... but how's the support for ATI Radeon 9200 PRO (9250) in Gutsy then?
[09:13] <disasm> RivaeAerya: don't know, I stick with NVIDIA myself
[09:14] <kyja> darn I would like to know why gutsy revs my cpu's more. I guess I can try an the older kernel on grub boot
[09:14] <RivaeAerya> disasm: where can i get the info?
[09:15] <disasm> RivaeAerya: i don't know, I've been looking for release notes for a while, and haven't seen any detailed ones
[09:16] <HDisk> ok going to try the --uninstall thing
[09:16] <HDisk> bbl
[09:16] <disasm> hdisk == simsim
[09:16] <kbrosnan> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39470/ is my xorg log, where is the gdm one? same location?
[09:18] <ikonia> gdm.log - same location
[09:18] <ikonia> kbrosnan: Iasked if there was anything in the log of interest - not show it to me
[09:18] <Blackgoth> question: I have flash from the ubuntu repo installed, i can check my webcam with camorama, but i CANT use it in flash
[09:19] <ikonia> Blackgoth: using flash or gnash ?
[09:19] <Blackgoth> flash
[09:19] <Blackgoth> adobe flash
[09:19] <ikonia> Blackgoth: adobe flash from the ubuntu repo - or from adobe.com
[09:19] <Blackgoth> ubuntu repo
[09:19] <Pici> Blackgoth: flash is not v4l2 compatible iirc.  I'm not sure about v4l1.
[09:19] <minimec> RivaeAerya: The Radeon 9250 is supported out of the box with the opensource driver. there is no restricted driver anymore!
[09:19] <kbrosnan> ikonia: i am not sure what would be interesting
[09:19] <ikonia> Pici: thats impressive off the top of your head
[09:20] <ikonia> kbrosnan: errors, warnings
[09:20] <Pici> ikonia: I was reading something about it earlier ;)
[09:20] <ikonia> Pici: should have kept quite, I was impressed
[09:20] <ikonia> I still am
[09:20] <Blackgoth> heh :p
[09:20] <Blackgoth> would gnash support it?
[09:20] <ikonia> no
[09:20] <Blackgoth> aww
[09:20] <ikonia> gnash is less advanced
[09:21] <Blackgoth> any idea's how i can get this working ikonia ?
[09:21] <ikonia> from what Pici is saying , its not supported
[09:23] <RivaeAerya> minimec: not in Gutsy either?
[09:24] <Blackgoth> ikonia: according to v4l my webcam _is_ supported
[09:24] <minimec> RivaeAerya: No. The 8500 9000 and 9200 are not supported with the restricted driver. It starts with Radeon 9600
[09:24] <Pici> Blackgoth: Are you using v4l1 or v4l2?
[09:24] <ikonia> didn't say your webcam is, flash may not be
[09:24] <panosru> hi, i have downloaded firefox 32 and install but mplayer does not work please can someone help me with this issue?
[09:24] <Blackgoth> v4l
[09:25] <Pici> Did it work pre-gutsy?
[09:25] <RivaeAerya> minimec: and is it a good thing that my card only supports the open-source drivers?
[09:25] <Blackgoth> Pici: never used ubuntu before gutsy, only debian
[09:25] <Blackgoth> and yes, it did work with debian
[09:25] <Pici> hm...
[09:26] <minimec> RivaeAerya: I can't say that. It works with a gutsy clean install out of the box in 3d mode. Do you want more?
[09:26] <RivaeAerya> minimec: nah :)
[09:26] <Blackgoth> Pici: does the output of v4l-info help you?
[09:27] <Pici> Blackgoth: I'm actually stepping away from the computer right now. Sorry :(
[09:27] <Blackgoth> heh okay :)
[09:34] <mikepj> This is the first time I've considered installing a beta of Ubuntu...  I was just curious what the update process is once the final version of Gibbon is released.  Would I just do an apt-get upgrade to get the final packages?
[09:34] <disasm> mikepj: usually a dist-upgrade is needed until it's stable
[09:35] <disasm> mikepj: just beware, your system may break, and your out of a system till you get it fixed
[09:35] <Yaroze> mikepj: i dont recommend upgrading any operatingsystem especially not Ubuntu :)
[09:35] <disasm> Yaroze: ??? Are you serious?
[09:35] <Yaroze> disasm: yes
[09:36] <Yaroze> better to reinstall
[09:36] <disasm> Yaroze: I have systems that I've been upgrading since debian potato in the late 90's ;-)
[09:36] <Yaroze> disasm: thats different :P
[09:36] <mikepj> Okay, this is just a spare test server I'm setting up, so it's not an upgrade from Feisty.  If I could just dist-upgrade packages, that would be pretty slick.
[09:36] <mnk> hello all - i have a problem with enabling desktop effects. before upgrading to gutsy i had beryl working fine so the hardware supports it. However, when i try to enable desktop effects now, i have no borders in my windows. it seems that there is no window manager enabled. could this be a previous config file or something? any help will be appreciated
[09:38] <RivaeAerya> will Gutsy have KDE 4?
[09:38] <disasm> mikepj: yeah, dist-upgrade works, a lot of the time you'll need to apt-get dist-upgrade; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:38] <mikepj> disasm:  Ahh, ok thanks for the tip.  I'll have to write this down.
[09:39] <disasm> mikepj: what I want to know is how easy it will be to dist-upgrade between LTS releases without going through the stages ;-)
[09:39] <mnk> does anyone know what could have caused the problem?
[09:39] <Blackgoth> arr i hate webcams!
[09:40] <darkhack> hello all
[09:40] <mikepj> Yeah, I really have no idea how I'll update my current machines to the next LTS.  I really hate having an updated OS in production, so I might just have to start fresh for each one.  Luckily, most of them are VMs
[09:41] <disasm> RivaeAerya: it looks like itVersion: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu26