[20:17] <PMunch> Yes, the stick shows up nicely. I'm just unable to choose an iso
[20:18] <syntroPi> what you mean unable to choose?
[20:18] <k1l_> PMunch: what system is that?
[20:19] <django_> i feel like its been progressively getting slower
[20:19] <hijvvd> I'm wanted to remotely access my ubuntu desktop from work.  What would be a secure way to go about this?
[20:19] <hijvvd> *wanting
[20:19] <PMunch> I press the "other" button, find my iso but when I click open the dialog closes but no change is done in the program itself.
[20:20] <PMunch> k1l_, What do you mean
[20:20] <PMunch> This is Xubuntu 14.04
[20:20] <syntroPi> PMunch, hmm what iso are you trying to choose? is it a debain or ubuntu?
[20:20] <PMunch> Neither
[20:20] <k1l_> PMunch: are you running a regular user? where is the iso located? is it a iso?
[20:20] <PMunch> Does it matter?
[20:21] <syntroPi> maybe it tries to look inside that iso to see if its compatible
[20:21] <syntroPi> which iso is it?
[20:21] <k1l_> dont know about other distros isos. or is it even windows?
[20:21] <PMunch> k1l_, I'm running as regular user but I've also tried sudo, the iso is in my Downloads directory and it is an iso.
[20:21] <ioria> yep, start-up disk is weird
[20:21] <PMunch> syntroPi, it's Manjaro i3 version
[20:22] <syntroPi> PMunch, iso is just an container format for disk images
[20:22] <syntroPi> cd images rather
[20:22] <PMunch> I just find it weird that it doesn't give any errors..
[20:22] <ioria> PMunch, the iso is in Downlaods
[20:22] <ioria> ?
[20:22] <PMunch> ioria, yes
[20:22] <syntroPi> PMunch, not sure if startup disk creator understands manjaro disks or what it looks for inside that isos
[20:23] <syntroPi> maybe try using it with an ubuntu iso just to rule out its that?
[20:23] <PMunch> Hmm, how would I go ahead and do it then? I'll download some random Ubuntu distro to check
[20:23] <howudodat> PMunch: or you can try using tuxboot.  or unetbootin
[20:23] <newuser> i find a nickname syslog, can anyone help me?
[20:24] <ioria> PMunch, if you try to use it with mini.iso, ... same thing !
[20:25] <ioria> PMunch, have you tried dd ?
[20:26] <aurora_> Hi. I dont know if this is the right channel for this question, if its not please direct me right, but what do you people use ubuntu (linux) for?
[20:26] <ioria> PMunch, with standard ubuntu-desktop it works
[20:26] <syntroPi> PMunch, yeah either that or launch it from a terminal (usb-creator-gtk) to watch its output while you choose
[20:27] <palm_premium> aurora_, that is a very broad question, one you might want to ask in #ubuntu-oftopic, this channel is for support questions.
[20:27] <django_> i have an acer aspire M with ubuntu12.04
[20:27] <django_> are there any tricks to make it faster
[20:27] <aurora_> palm_premium, thank you ver much =)
[20:27] <k1l_> aurora_: its a operating system and the use may vary from user to user. but in general: the same thing you use other OS like windows or osx for.
[20:28] <aurora_> k1l_, thanks =)
[20:28] <django_> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/clZZ6kon/
[20:28] <PMunch> syntroPi, tried that, gave me nothing.
[20:29] <PMunch> ioria, wouldn't I have to do something to make it bootable or whatnot?
[20:29] <k1l_> django_: its not the ram. that is fine
[20:29] <syntroPi> PMunch, i guess it just fails silently because it dont understand that iso contents
[20:29] <k1l_> django_: see htop or top what is using your power
[20:29] <django_> k1l_: what is htop or top
[20:29] <howudodat> PMunch: startup disk creator gives me nothing but headaches...try http://tuxboot.org/
[20:30] <ioria> PMunch, i'm used to cd in the iso dir, and then  dd  if=file.iso   of=/dev/sdX
[20:30] <ioria> PMunch, with sudo
[20:30] <syntroPi> PMunch, just be carefull to choose the correct device :P
[20:30] <ioria> PMunch, right
[20:30] <k1l_> ioria: if the iso is a hybrid iso, like the ubuntu ones :)
[20:31] <ioria> k1l_ oh.... ok
[20:32] <k1l_> django_: or use the system monitor
[20:32] <django_> k1l_: to determine what?
[20:33] <k1l_> django_: you said its slow. so look what is using your cpu power.
[20:33] <MelRay> I just installed the roundcube package using apt-get. I'm not sure how to access the installer as it doesn't find it, and all the howto's I've read talk about making directories whereas the install automatically created the database. Anyone advise me how to access the installer from browser?
[20:34] <syntroPi> MelRay, try #roundcube
[20:36] <MelRay> You think the folks at roundcube will want to support installation NOT by their method?
[20:39] <ioria> PMunch, seems dd should worh https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Burn_an_ISO_File
[20:40] <ioria> *work
[20:40] <sruli> when encrypting a file with encfs (or anything similar) should the file get slightly bigger?
[20:40] <PMunch> ioria, hmm I guess. I managed to create a drive using unetbootin so I think I'm good. Just backing up my old system in case something goes wrong at the moment and then I'll try it out.
[20:41] <aurora_> Is there a way now to get netflix running on ubuntu? Or they still dont support it?
[20:41] <ioria> PMunch, ok, good luck mate
[20:41] <tlt> aurora_, isn't it possible to just use their website?
[20:41] <JO0st> aurora_: it should work in chrome, I don't have a netflix account myself to test it
[20:41] <aurora_> tlt, i tryed it before but the vids dident play
[20:42] <tlt> aurora_, chrome has flash embedded, so try that
[20:43] <aurora_> JO0st, ah, okay. ill give it a try later on =) Thanks for the response =)
[20:43] <aurora_> tlt, thanks =9
[20:43] <PMunch> ioria, thanks. This is actually one of the reasons why I haven't switched earlier. Ubuntu is just so easy to get support for with lots of knowledgeable people ready to help. I do feel however that it is a bit too bloated for me and as I've swapped out a lot of the defaults and always find myself wanting newer packages than what's in the repos I feel it's time to switch.
[20:43] <OerHeks> for DRM flash chrome indeed
[20:43] <ioria> PMunch, ^_^
[20:44] <genii> aurora_: As you're being directed here, and as I stated to you in #ubuntu-offtopic also, Windows things that use the browser to operate like Office365 and so on usually work in Linux if you use the Chrome browser
[20:44] <OerHeks> !cookie | ioria
[20:44] <ioria> OerHeks, yuppy
[20:45] <aurora_> genii,  thanks
[20:45] <syntroPi> aurora_, i would recommend chromium-browser together with pepperflashplugin-nonfree (if you really want flash, it has many security problems)
[20:46] <syntroPi> though the chrome(ium) versions are sandboxed so it may be a bit more secure than firefox + flash
[20:46] <ubuntunewbie> can anyone help me troubleshoot a mdadm array not loading at boot (ubuntu 15 server). mdadm --assemble --scan recreates it manually. i have done mdadm -Es >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but it still doesnt work and i do not see any errors. it is as if it simply doesnt try to assemble it.
[20:46] <ubuntunewbie> i have found about 100 guides but they are all dated. i have truid removing everything but ARRAY /dev/md0 and the guid as well
[20:46] <aurora_> syntroPi, sweet, thanks
[20:47] <tlt> don't forget chrome when/if that fails, aurora_
[20:47] <OnkelTem> X consumes about 400Mb of RAM. Is it normal?
[20:48] <Ben64> sure
[20:48] <OnkelTem> But how it uses it? Isn't that too much for just nothing? It doesn't count plasma-desktop for example which takes only 140MB
[20:48] <syntroPi> Xorg uses 27 MB on my box
[20:49] <OnkelTem> syntroPi: you probably run black/fluxbox or something?
[20:49] <Ben64> for nothing? you realize x is the gui
[20:49] <syntroPi> well it alway depend how you count ram usage ofc
[20:50] <sruli> when encrypting a file with encfs (or anything similar) should the file get slightly bigger?
[20:50] <OnkelTem> Ben64: you mean the whole KDE thing is counted there in those 400MB?
[20:50] <SCHAAP137> 179M here using MATE
[20:50] <syntroPi> OnkelTem, how do you check for ram usage?
[20:50] <OnkelTem> syntroPi: I see on the resident part in htop/top
[20:50] <OnkelTem> look at*
[20:50] <Ben64> is something not working?
[20:50] <tlt> sruli, yeah all files 'grow' to 12kb, or so, it seems, with encfs. If they're smaller than 12kb
[20:51] <tlt> so it's blocks of 12kb, kind of like clusters, it might seem
[20:51] <OnkelTem> Ben64: I try to save some RAM for other processes
[20:51] <Ben64> how much ram do you have
[20:51] <OnkelTem> 16GB
[20:52] <Ben64> then don't worry
[20:52] <kostkon> !ram
[20:53] <tlt> sruli, and with encryption it's natural that they either get bigger or smaller yes, due to encryption and compressibility, whichever applies heaviest
[20:53] <OnkelTem> Ben64: actually, I worry more about Chrome. Where the hell it wastes my RAM? :)
[20:53] <syntroPi> OnkelTem, on Gnome shell i get about 67 MB for that, but hey if you got 16GB dont worry about that i think it may be normal for KDE on Xorg
[20:53] <OnkelTem> Only starting it up blows away about 1,5GB
[20:53] <k1l_> OnkelTem: waisted ram is ram that is not used
[20:53] <tlt> sruli, a 200mb text file might shrink, if you're using an encryption tool with compression, but a non compressive file might end up bigger than its original, it varies.
[20:53] <k1l_> OnkelTem: its like having a 16 floor house but only living in 4 floors.
[20:54] <OnkelTem> Folks, I wouldn't worry about no reason. I've got a job (maybe) and have installed wokring stuff. And took so much that I left w/o any RAM for even Eclipse
[20:54] <OnkelTem> without a reason*
[20:55] <k1l_> OnkelTem: "free -m" in a pastebin?
[20:56] <OnkelTem> k1l_: let me start that stuff first
[20:56] <k1l_> OnkelTem: actually, ram usage is split into "real usage" and some buffers and caches. and that caches and buffers can be easily made free if another program needs "real usage". so it does look full, but it isnt
[20:57] <OnkelTem> k1l_: actually I know that, but thanks :)
[20:58] <Delta706> Can someone suggest a channel dealing with security issues? I have a security problem I want to solve
[20:58] <tlt> Delta706, ##security
[20:59] <syntroPi> OnkelTem, you even can flush caches like "echo X > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" and X be 1 2 or 3. but i think its done automatically anyway by the kernel
[20:59] <prp-e> Hi, I have composed a song in tuxguitar and now I want to add information about song, but unlike guitar pro, tux guitar didn't ask me at start. What can I do? (I know here's not the right place, but it's the best place I could ask).
[21:01] <aurora_> is there a way to see if i broken my ubuntu? when i tried to fix with making office365 work with thunderbird
[21:02] <syntroPi> oO
[21:02] <aurora_> ..or fix the touchpad from stop working after suspend
[21:03] <aurora_> did a lot of stuff that i really dident understand fully :/
[21:06] <OnkelTem> aurora_: my condolences. Sometimes things become complicated if you act by a guess
[21:08] <letuschat29_> Hello there
[21:08] <aurora_> OnkelTem, should I reinstall everything? it seems to be working ...
[21:08] <OnkelTem> but hopefully Linux can be fully "traced". Every action can be explained. It's not a blackbox like Windows or (my pain) - Eclipse
[21:08] <OnkelTem> aurora_: no need, just split disaster into pieces and resolve each separately
[21:09] <letuschat29_> aurora
[21:09] <letuschat29_> what happened with your lovely Tux?
[21:09] <aurora_> OnkelTem, thanks. ill do that
[21:10] <OnkelTem> aurora_: so why do you think you've broken it?
[21:10] <tesla> yep. you can install it but you can't run it?
[21:10] <letuschat29_> is anybody from Colombia Here
[21:10] <letuschat29_> ??
[21:11] <aurora_> OnkelTem, because i did stuff i dont know much about. not sure tho. but the sites i read it on seemed to be legit
[21:11] <k1l_> aurora_: what is your issue? you dont know if you broke your system? does it work or is it broken?
[21:12] <k1l_> aurora_: to me it sounds like you try to fix something that is not broken at all
[21:12] <aurora_> it works, i tried this for example: http://www.techportal.co.za/linux/315-laptop-touchpad-not-working-in-ubuntu
[21:13] <k1l_> aurora_: did it help?
[21:13] <letuschat29_> sudo init 0
[21:13] <letuschat29_> jajajaj
[21:13] <k1l_> aurora_: its dated to 2010, so that is 5 years old already. a lot changed since then.
[21:13] <aurora_> k1l_,  atm the touchpad dont come back online after suspend. have an extra mouse installed.  i read that i can change computer to hibernate instead but that seems to be a workaround more then a fix.
[21:13] <letuschat29_> it's a big deal
[21:13] <aurora_> k1l_, no, still same after that.
[21:14] <k1l_> letuschat29_: stop that.
[21:14] <letuschat29_> ok
[21:14] <letuschat29_> sorry
[21:14] <letuschat29_> i was just kidding
[21:15] <aurora_> seemed like nothing happened when i ran that command
[21:16] <k1l_> aurora_: there are issues with resume for some hardware if the hardware is not ready when the driver wants to start it. so best is to look out for the exact hardware used and if there is a known fix
[21:18] <OnkelTem> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/c8C3AgQE
[21:18] <aurora_> any tips on where i can read more about? i have a asus f302l laptop
[21:19] <k1l_> OnkelTem: so took you so long to full your ram now :) but there is still 3 gb free ;p
[21:21] <OnkelTem> k1l_: yes :) It is a set of docker images - solr, postgis, mysql - very heavy stuff
[21:21] <OnkelTem> k1l_: btw, seems that htop doesn't print that 3GB value anywhere
[21:22] <OnkelTem> because it counts buffers always
[21:22] <pukapy> Roses are blue;Violets are red;if u ever let me;well i post on youtube
[21:25] <lettuce45> what have you done to the kernel? sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-4.2.0-16-generic takes just miliseconds instead of 20 seconds to get rid of outdated images
[21:27] <rco> I'm trying to set up DNS caching as a local service on ubuntu server 14.04. Is there a most popular option? NSCD looked to be the simplest choice but I've heard awful things about its reliability.
[21:28] <spartan2276> I'm having a tough time installing Ubuntu-Gmone 15.10 on RAID 0 Drive as it keeps hanging on creating /boot take a look at the image https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz2E21JweMDPNGIyOXBjdmtZMDg/view
[21:29] <frite> is it problematic to abort a build? like for opencv?
[21:29] <bivo> isthere a legit repo for qtadb?
[21:29] <frite> or will a rebuild just overwriter
[21:29] <spartan2276> yes I posted this also on ubuntu-gnome but no one has answered
[21:30] <howudodat> frite: in general building from source just overwrites.  you can also do a make clean to remove any intermediate files from the build
[21:32] <x_> hello i need help
[21:32] <x_> anyone?
[21:33] <x_> anyone there? i need help urgent please
[21:33] <aurora_> thanks for all the help. much appreciated =) cya later =)
[21:33] <bekks> !ask | x_
[21:33] <howudodat> bivo: looks like you just download from their site
[21:34] <Jazzy_J> x_, State the nature of your problem.
[21:34] <x_> i had windows 8 installed and windows 10 parallely. boot loader as installed in windows 8. after formatting windows 8 i installed ubuntu on that partition . now im not able to see the os selection at the start of computer. how do i go to windows 10 ? please help
[21:34] <x_>  i had windows 8 installed and windows 10 parallely. boot loader as installed in windows 8. after formatting windows 8 i installed ubuntu on that partition . now im not able to see the os selection at the start of computer. how do i go to windows 10 ? please help
[21:35] <k1l_> x_: "sudo parted -l"  into a pastebin please
[21:35] <x_> kil can you ive me steps
[21:36] <jil> hi
[21:36] <x_> okay kil sending
[21:36] <k1l_> x_: run that command in terminal and copy the output to paste.ubuntu.com then click on send, and give the new url here
[21:36] <jil> my syslog is full of the following warning.  /usr/sbin/irqbalance: WARNING, didn't collect load info for all cpus, balancing is broken
[21:36] <jil> what can I do
[21:37] <jil> ? tryed upgrading.
[21:37] <livtyler> does anyone have experience with samba as PDC?
[21:38] <bekks> livtyler: I bet people do - but how does that solve your actuall issue?
[21:38] <x_> http://pastebin.com/FTeC2FRx
[21:38] <x_> kil >> here http://pastebin.com/FTeC2FRx
[21:38] <jil> It's been like that for several  week
[21:38] <livtyler> bekks: well, I need to know if samba last release still interfaces with LDAP or not
[21:39] <k1l_> x_: are you sure ubuntu is installed there?
[21:39] <bekks> livtyler: Sure, why would that have changed?
[21:39] <x_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13302697/
[21:39] <x_> yes i am using ubuntu
[21:39] <livtyler> bekks: I think kerberos was replacing it
[21:39] <x_> 3 partitions : data, windows X, ubuntu
[21:40] <k1l_> x_: did you install ubuntu on ext2?
[21:40] <x_> ext4 i guess
[21:40] <livtyler> bekks: I need to have an Active Directory based in Samba for Friday night, is it complicated?
[21:40] <k1l_> x_: no ext4 there
[21:41] <k1l_> x_: can you pastebin a "mount" please?
[21:41] <x_> okay
[21:41] <bekks> livtyler: If you've never done it before - yes.
[21:41] <x_> what do i type in terminal> "mount"?
[21:41] <livtyler> livtyler: what's the most difficult part to configure?
[21:41] <x_> kil can you message in private chat?
[21:41] <k1l_> x_: yes
[21:42] <x_> kil >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13302759/
[21:44] <howudodat> jil: are you running in a VM?
[21:46] <x_> kil : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13302759/
[21:47] <jil> howudodat: OpenVZ I think
[21:48] <jil> I have an old kernel, although my packages are up to date
[21:48] <bekks> jil: Only the version number seems to be quite old, but that doesnt tell you anything about which patches are contained.
[21:49] <howudodat> jil: I believe openvz recommends to disable irqbalance
[21:49] <jil> kernel 2.6.32 but  jeessie rep.
[21:49] <jil> ok howudodat disable irqbalance ?
[21:49] <bekks> jessie repo?
[21:49] <jil> yes bekks
[21:50] <bekks> Thats not an Ubuntu server, isnt it?
[21:50] <x_>  i had windows 8 installed and windows 10 parallely. boot loader as installed in windows 8. after formatting windows 8 i installed ubuntu on that partition . now im not able to see the os selection at the start of computer. how do i go to windows 10 ? please help
[21:50] <x_>  i had windows 8 installed and windows 10 parallely. boot loader as installed in windows 8. after formatting windows 8 i installed ubuntu on that partition . now im not able to see the os selection at the start of computer. how do i go to windows 10 ? please help
[21:51] <howudodat> jil: sudo update-rc irqbalance disable
[21:51] <x_>  i had windows 8 installed and windows 10 parallely. boot loader as installed in windows 8. after formatting windows 8 i installed ubuntu on that partition . now im not able to see the os selection at the start of computer. how do i go to windows 10 ? please help
[21:52] <genii> howudodat: I believe you want update-rc.d and not just update-rc
[21:52] <x_>  i had windows 8 installed and windows 10 parallely. boot loader as installed in windows 8. after formatting windows 8 i installed ubuntu on that partition . now im not able to see the os selection at the start of computer. how do i go to windows 10 ? please help
[21:52] <howudodat> genii: jil: correct...sorry
[21:52] <k1l_> x_: dont spam in here
[21:52] <k1l_> x_: run a "sudo update-grub"
[21:53] <nepraX> hello everyone, I am running photorec on a drive, and its output is so far a single .mpg file, that gets larger every second (currently 80gb!) is there a way to decompose this file, which obviously contains other files?
[21:53] <SeriouslyLaugh> x_ if you aren't given an option to select an OS when booting, you may need to reinstall grub altogether.
[21:54] <SeriouslyLaugh> x_ http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[21:55] <x_> kil http://paste.ubuntu.com/13302861/
[21:55] <SeriouslyLaugh> nepraX http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/mpegdemux.1.html
[21:57] <howudodat> How can I figure out why nvidia-346 depends on nvidia-352?  or is there a different channel to ask in (other than #nvidia)
[21:59] <jil> yes its debian
[21:59] <bekks> jil: And this not the Debian support ;)
[21:59] <nigSwan> I used to have a boyfriend named "ubuntu" once
[21:59] <nigSwan> he used to "play the bongos" on my ass
[21:59] <jil> thx howudodat genii
[22:00] <nepraX> SeriouslyLaugh, but would this command work with my file, considering it is not an authentic mpg file, but rather one that is so big because of all sorts of files stuffed in it by photorec?
[22:01] <ubuntunewbie> can anyone assist me with resolving an issue with mdadm not assembling arrays automatically at boot on 15.10 ?
[22:03] <ash_work> how do you bind a process to loopback? (I'm happy for someone to just point me to general documentation on binding)
[22:06] <ash_work> maybe I misspoke
[22:07] <howudodat> nepraX: I believe this is how photorec works...you need to allow the process to continue to completion, iirc.  It's been ages since I have used it though.
[22:07] <ash_work> my editor is listening on ipv6 ... I'm trying to get it to listen on ipv4... someone in ##networking was telling me that I might be able to "explicity bind to <IP_ADDRESS> or an available ipv4 interface" but I don't know where to begin with that
[22:13] <Chaser_> ash_work: I don't think there is a way to bind a process to ipv4 with out doing it at socket level. May be your editor (?) has some option to disable ipv6. If not you can prevent getting ipv6 address by editing /etc/gai.conf and uncomment the line which says "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96  100
[22:19] <RonWhoCares> What program should I use to record audio
[22:20] <nepraX> howudodat, yes, it creates oversized files, too, along with regularly recovered ones
[22:20] <fusa24> is there a limit for hard drives for ubuntu?
[22:21] <tonyyarusso> fusa24: What do you mean?
[22:21] <genii> fusa24: Whatever the limit of your hardware is
[22:21] <fusa24> I have 7 hard drvies installed, trying to install 1 more, but I cant get ubuntu to boot
[22:22] <KDG-mac> ubuntu is best ! :D hello all here
[22:22] <genii> fusa24: Your power supply may not have enough juice
[22:22] <tonyyarusso> fusa24: That sounds like either a limitation in basic hardware stuff like power as genii mentioned, or maybe a BIOS thing, not an OS thing.
[22:23] <fusa24> I get into the command line at the beginning of boot
[22:23] <KDG-mac> on ubuntu?
[22:23] <fusa24> trying to find the errors in logs
[22:23] <jpds_> fusa24: Have you checked your power usage and what your PSU does?
[22:23] <jdangle> Hey guys I have a server, no changes, we just rebooted (ubuntu 12.04). It boots instantly into a black screen (and pings) but ssh never seems to come up. I can select the recovery kernel, and drop into read only shell, everything is there/fine with grub.. I tried quiet splash nomodeset etc.. what am I missing :)
[22:24] <genii> fusa24: It's possible you re-ordered the boot sequence by adding the last one, so that it tries to boot a different drive than it was before
[22:24] <fusa24> I checked BIOS, the new hdd was the last listed
[22:24] <knuto> how can i create a pattern for directories that are one level above? say i'm in /dir/server/ and i want to match /dir/src/? i need to modify this glob: '!{app.js,{src,common,lib}/**}'  but eg. '!{app.js,../{src,common,lib}/**}' doesnt work
[22:33] <MonkeyDust> knuto  sounds more for #bash
[22:33] <knuto> monkeydust: ok thanks
[22:38] <KDG-mac> MonkeyDust: so bash got a channel?
[22:39] <MonkeyDust> KDG-mac  yes, simply type /j #bash
[22:40] <KDG-mac> cool :)
[22:40] <KDG-mac> this channel only for support talks?
[22:41] <genii> KDG-mac: Tha is correct
[22:41] <KDG-mac> aw
[22:41] <KDG-mac> does ubuntu got a free chat room?
[22:42] <genii> KDG-mac: There is this channel for support issues, and #ubuntu-offtopic for more casual conversation
[22:43] <DzAirmaX> hi everybody
[22:43] <KDG-mac> oki thx
[22:43] <KDG-mac> bye then
[22:44] <DzAirmaX> someone knows how to make some temporary space on the hdd for doing a release upgrade ?
[22:44] <KDG-mac> thx MonkeyDust genii
[22:45] <genii> DzAirmaX: Much depends on how the drive is currently partitioned, and if there is another drive in the computer with partitions which could be used temporarily
[22:46] <DzAirmaX> genii : Can I use a second drive for making the upgrade ?
[22:46] <fusa24> jpds_ what is the best way to check the power usage of a computer, just checked what the PSU is, its 500W, so might be the issue
[22:46] <ash_work> Chaser_: alas, it still bound to tcp6
[22:47] <ash_work> Chaser_: but thanks for the suggestion
[22:50] <genii> DzAirmaX: You can do something like copy the contents of /var/cache/apt/ on the drive with limited space onto a directory on a larger drive, then bind-mount /var/cache/apt to that other directory. Also you clean up unneeded kernels in the /boot directory
[22:50] <nuno_nunes> hi goodnight
[22:50] <nuno_nunes> :)
[22:51] <DzAirmaX> genii : I cleaned them already but I am really limit, I need 300 megs more for finishing the upgrade
[22:52] <genii> DzAirmaX: So it is specifically saying that /boot is full?
[22:53] <DzAirmaX> not /boot just /
[22:54] <DzAirmaX> I have 735 Mb for making the update, apparently I need 350 Mb more ...
[22:54] <blb2919> DzAirmaX: get some space by 'sudo apt-get clean'
[22:55] <DzAirmaX> yup
[22:56] <blb2919> DzairmaX: purge all kernels except the current one
[22:57] <k1l_> DzAirmaX: did you run some "apt-get autoremove"?
[22:57] <eightiesk> !wireless
[22:57] <blb2919> DzAirmaX: https://github.com/dustinkirkland/bikeshed/blob/master/purge-old-kernels
[22:57] <eightiesk> !wine
[22:58] <eightiesk> !!virtualizers
[22:58] <blb2919> eightiesk: stop that
[22:58] <teward> eightiesk: do you need help?  If not, please either query the bot in PM, or use #ubuntu-bots
[22:59] <DzAirmaX> I used this tutorial : http://askubuntu.com/questions/5980/how-do-i-free-up-disk-space
[22:59] <ash_work> Chaser_: so, the only way an application could explicitly listen on a particular IP is if the application itself had a setting for that (or if you do some fancy socket stuff?)
[23:00] <ash_work> Chaser_: I tried uncommenting that line, but IPv6 still turned up with a `netstat -tupln`
[23:00] <k1l_> DzAirmaX: what is "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" and "dpkg -l | grep linux-headers"
[23:00] <k1l_> DzAirmaX: and how much is the disk space at all?
[23:00] <blb2919> DzAirmaX: in your home dir do 'du -sh * | sort -h' and check what takes space (if your home and root partitions are on the same drive of course)
[23:01] <DzAirmaX> blb2919 : usr , lib and var
[23:02] <DzAirmaX> k1l_ : 2.4 Gb
[23:02] <DzAirmaX> small small xD
[23:02] <k1l_> DzAirmaX: too small
[23:03] <howudodat> ash_work: it depends on what you are trying to do.  in general an application has to bind() to an interface and port.  Although that can be wildcarded.  That is something that cannot be changed or influenced externally.
[23:04] <ash_work> howudodat: hmm... I really don't know where to even look for advice on this then
[23:04] <DzAirmaX> k1l_ : first I wanted to change the sixe of the /boot partition but it looks like too much work (GPT)
[23:04] <howudodat> ash_work: however you can use ncat to help out a bit.  for example I use ncat to forward from one machine to another, the command looks like: ncat -l ipaddress port -c ncat ip address port
[23:05] <ash_work> howudodat: hmm... I think the address is ::::9000
[23:05] <DzAirmaX> k1l_ : now I am thinking to use ramdisk or another partition like genii said for bind the /var/vache/apt
 DzAirmaX: what is "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" and "dpkg -l | grep linux-headers"
[23:05] <howudodat> ash_work: for example ncat <IP_ADDRESS> 25 -c ncat <IP_ADDRESS> 1025  ncat will listen on interface <IP_ADDRESS> port 25 and any connections that come in will be forwarded to ip <IP_ADDRESS> on port 1025.
[23:06] <DzAirmaX> k1l_ : my kernel installed manually ...
[23:06] <howudodat> ash_work: give me a sec to see if I can craft a similar one for you
[23:06] <DzAirmaX> k1l_ : I have so much space I am installing them by hand
[23:06] <k1l_> DzAirmaX: …
[23:06] <DzAirmaX> less*
[23:06] <DzAirmaX> not much sorry
[23:06] <ash_work> howudodat: so in my case: ncat -l :::: 9000 -c ncat <IP_ADDRESS> 9000 ?
[23:07] <DzAirmaX> ./purge-kernel.sh =>> No kernels are eligible for removal
[23:08] <Exagone313> Hi, I can not anymore use screen, it always says Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check. What do I do?Thanks for your help.
[23:08] <howudodat> ash_work:  no.  the first part is your "helper".  so:  ncat -l <IP_ADDRESS> 9000  will make ncat listen on localhost port 9000.  you can just do ncat -l 9000 if you want it to listen on all interfaces.  but make sure you dont have anything listening ipv4 port 9000
[23:08] <blb2919> DzAirmax: you start it with the --keep=1 right?
[23:09] <ash_work> howudodat: ok
[23:09] <DzAirmaX> blb2919 : nope ...
[23:09] <howudodat> ash_work: I think what you want is ncat -4 -l 9000 -c ncat -6 localhost 9000
[23:09] <ash_work> howudodat: can I get ncat using apt-get?
[23:09] <DzAirmaX> blb2919 : I got only 1 kernel on this machine
[23:10] <blb2919> well then it won't help
[23:10] <mgolisch> Exagone313: did you change users?
[23:10] <howudodat> ash_work: good question, I am not sure the package for ncat, it's already on my system
[23:10] <Exagone313> mgolisch: what do you mean?
[23:10] <mgolisch> Exagone313: like you sued to root or something
[23:10]  * ash_work is depressed
[23:11] <Exagone313> the problem is '1' is pwned bny the wrong user
[23:11] <Exagone313> owned*
[23:11] <blb2919> DzAirmaX: you may also remove all *.gz in the /var/log
[23:11] <Exagone313> idk why it uses 1 and not 4 the good one
[23:11] <howudodat> ash_work: try package netcat
[23:12] <Exagone313> you know what? i just change the owner and it works fine
[23:12] <ash_work> howudodat: it was nmap
[23:12] <Exagone313> i'll do it next time
[23:13] <DzAirmaX> blb2919 : done, where you I try to grind 200 mmb more ?
[23:13] <ash_work> howudodat: Ncat: Got more than one port specification: 9000 localhost 9000. QUITTING.
[23:15] <blb2919> DzAirmaX: du -sh ~/*
[23:17] <howudodat> ash_work: I just tested this and it works (sorry forgot the quotes).  ncat -4 -l 9999 -c "ncat -6 localhost 9999"
[23:18] <DzAirmaX> blb2919 : The upgrade has aborted. The upgrade needs a total of 923 M free space on disk '/'. Please free at least an additional 433 M of disk
[23:19] <k1l_> DzAirmaX: why do you want to keep this 2,4GB system?  that will make problems on next update anyway. make it a proper setup
[23:20] <Codmadnesspro> I can't find a working fix for the error "update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
[23:20] <Codmadnesspro> " when running "sudo update-rc.d ts3 defaults"
[23:22] <DzAirmaX> k1l_ : yeah you are right
[23:22] <sruli> how do i disable guest login in GDM (gnome ubuntu 15.10)
[23:28] <allegorical> i'm having trouble to install canon mp250 drivers on my lubuntu system (ubuntu 15.04). i have downloaded from http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/contents/SG/EN/0100236101.html and ran the ./install.sh but still nothing.... any ideas? i noticed that this driver lists "ubuntu 10.04", does this make a difference?
[23:29] <ash_work> howudodat: so the ncat command seems to be running
[23:29] <ash_work> howudodat: but I still get tcp6       0      0 :::9000                 :::*                    LISTEN      26950/atom --type=r
[23:30] <howudodat> ash_work...yes the original program needs to listen somehwere.  all ncat is doing is bridging a IP4 connection for you over to the editor's existing ip6 connection
[23:31] <ash_work> howudodat: oh right
[23:31] <ash_work> okay
[23:31] <ash_work> howudodat: well xdebug still says I: Remote address found, connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:9000. E: Time-out connecting to client. :-(
[23:32] <ash_work> howudodat:  I don't know what to try now :\
[23:32] <howudodat> ash_work: pastebin sudo netstat -anp for me
[23:33] <howudodat> ash_work: are you trying to run atom-live-server?
[23:34] <ash_work> howudodat: no
[23:34] <ash_work> howudodat: I just have php-debug installed (on atom)
[23:34] <ash_work> I'm running xdebug on a docker container
[23:36] <allegorical> arg this thing seems to need libtiff4
[23:36] <ash_work> howudodat: http://hastebin.com/mijokutozi.hs
[23:40] <howudodat> ash_work:  your ncat client is listening on port 9999, that needs to be 9000.
[23:40] <howudodat> ash_work: I was testing port 9999
[23:40] <ash_work> howudodat: oh
[23:41] <allegorical> seems to work now, thanks
[23:42] <howudodat> ash_work: ncat -4 -l 9000 -c "ncat -6 localhost 9000"
[23:43] <ash_work> howudodat: I don't get it; it threw an error, to which I clicked on and it showed a gist of the error with a comment requesting that person close other processes using ::::9000 ... which says to me people expect it to use IPv6 despite xdebugs incompatibility. I assume this is handled somehow, but now I am just shooting in the dark
[23:49] <howudodat> ash_work: sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only returns what?
[23:50] <ash_work> net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0
[23:51] <araph> hello everyone, I am trying to install ubuntu on hdd, and the remaining free space becomes shown 'unusable' when I create its partition. this will be the third system on the drive, plus the swap space partition. I know that max. 4 primary partitions are allowed, but I also tried to create the OS partition as 'logical' yet it didnt solve the problem.
[23:52] <Gnjurac> how to shutdown in 50 mins shutdown -h +m50 dosent work
[23:53] <howudodat> ash_work: ok, that's correct.  I need to take a step back on your problem.  tell me the original symptom
[23:54] <Chaser> Gnjurac: +50 (with out m)
[23:54] <Gnjurac> it istant shutdowns on fedora
[23:55] <frostschutz> araph, what does it look like in `sudo parted /dev/disk unit s print free`, can you put it in a pastebin?
[23:55] <ash_work> howudodat: I don't think you can help me honestly :{ xdebug is not working with atom and docker; xdebug log gives: I: Remote address found, connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:9000. E: Time-out connecting to client. :-(  `netstat -tupln` shows atom listening on ::::9000 .... :: shrug ::
[23:56] <k1l_> Gnjurac: this is not #fedora :)
[23:56] <Gnjurac> fedora no replay
[23:56] <Gnjurac> i have to beg other palces
[23:56] <k1l_> Gnjurac: then ask in ##linux
[23:57] <araph> frostschutz, I think (I hope) I solved it. I deleted the swap space, and then tried again to partition. this time the unallocated space remained as free space.
[23:58] <Gnjurac> i am
[23:58] <Gnjurac> haahah
[23:58] <Gnjurac> on all palces
[23:59] <howudodat> ash_work: if you do telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 9000 what happens?  what happens if you do telnet localhost 9000 ?
[23:59] <ash_work> howudodat: from the local host?
[23:59] <ash_work> ernenar p
[23:59] <araph> frostschutz, I have another problem with swap space on another machine. I must have overlooked that it reverted to 'unknown' space while installing my system, and now there is no swap space on the drive. could I just start run an installer usb, and assign the referred space as 'swap area' now, or would this break existing systems on the hdd?
[23:59] <ash_work> howudodat: sorry
[23:59] <ash_work> howudodat: I mean from the container, right?


[00:00] <ahoneybun> I mean effecting settings.qml and main.qml
[00:00] <ahoneybun> something like how the manifest file does
[00:03] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, well as Settings.qml is a child of PageLayout, which is a child of MainView... it will
[00:04] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, but if you are just wanting to store a string or something simple.... the Settings {} object maybe useful, as it can store settings into it's own file and then remember them when you restart the app
[00:04] <ahayzen> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.5/Qt.labs.settings.Settings/
[00:05] <ahayzen> we use it for various things, eg shuffle and repeat here .. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/app/components/Player.qml#L74
[00:05] <ahoneybun> but>?
[00:05] <ahoneybun> Settings.qml and Main.qml are different files
[00:06] <ahayzen> yup but when you push settings to the layout, it is like included/added as a child to it
[00:06] <ahayzen> so you can access stuff... but the best way is probably to use that Settings {} object ^^
[00:07] <ahayzen> as then IIRC if you use the same category name in the other file it updates both
[00:07] <ahoneybun> mm confused as always XD
[00:08] <ahoneybun> I put something in the pad ahayzen
[00:09] <ahoneybun> that way did not work, at least the way I did it
[00:13] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, added three possible ways
[00:15] <ahoneybun> thanks
[00:16] <ahoneybun> category does not work as it has red under it
[00:17] <ahayzen> ah
[00:17] <ahayzen> it might get confused with your Settings.qml in the same directory
[00:17] <ahoneybun> mm something is broke
[00:18] <ahoneybun> it does not like that locationSettings.location
[00:18] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, see my import modification to avoid the clash
[00:18] <ahoneybun> added that
[00:18] <ahoneybun> to Main
[00:18] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:19] <ahoneybun> for category?
[00:19] <ahoneybun> though I did not add that first Settings thing
[00:19] <ahoneybun> only the one to Settings.qml
[00:20] <ahayzen> i think you can put it in both places and they remain in-sync, can't remember
[00:20] <ahayzen> but the simplest... is to add the id: mainView... then the property to the MainView and use mainView.location
[00:20] <ahoneybun> mm I might be getting messed up with the 3 option
[00:21] <ahayzen> yeah you'll need to comment stuff out
[00:21] <ahoneybun> let's go with that first one
[00:21] <ahoneybun> all these options are messing me up
[00:21] <ahoneybun> as I don't know what to add
[00:21] <ahayzen> i'll do the simplest one...
[00:21] <ahoneybun> sorry
[00:22] <ahoneybun> I added the mainview stuff
[00:22] <ahoneybun> mm
[00:23] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, updated the file, commented out the other bits
[00:23] <ahoneybun> I wonder if I should just c and p it
[00:25] <ahayzen> hehe
[00:26] <ahoneybun> I did with no success, mm
[00:27] <ahoneybun> lines 160 and 215 work like I would like
[00:27] <ahoneybun> but that is on the current page with a search
[00:28] <ahoneybun> I might call it a day and play some games
[00:28] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: ^
[00:29] <ahayzen> oh i see
[00:29] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, maybe try moving the locationModel into the main file
[00:29] <ahayzen> then just referencing it in the repeater
[00:30] <ahoneybun> well the locationModel is in the Main file
[00:30] <ahoneybun> it works like that
[00:30] <ahoneybun> but I want a variable to change from the settings to keep the Main page clean
[00:33] <ahayzen> that mainView way should be the simplest, not sure why it wouldn't work
[00:34] <ahoneybun> 99% sure it is user error XD
[00:35] <ahayzen> heh
[00:35] <ahayzen> anyway, i'm gonna go sleep. Have fun! :-)
[00:35] <ahoneybun> night!
[00:35] <ahoneybun> thanks again
[00:36] <ahayzen> no problem o/
[00:37] <ahoneybun> \o
[09:08] <krampstudio> hi there
[09:08] <krampstudio> I've a problem with running my scope on my device
[09:09] <krampstudio> When I launch it (from ubuntu-sdk) the process "click-review" takes a while
[09:09] <krampstudio> and then crashes
[09:10] <krampstudio> (I'm running it again to get the exact error)
[09:16] <krampstudio> ERROR: Could not find vendor 'ubuntu' ERROR: Could not find vendor 'ubuntu'
[09:16] <krampstudio> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/bin/click-review", line 138, in <module>
[09:16] <krampstudio>     main()
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/bin/click-review", line 132, in main
[09:16] <krampstudio>     results.run_all_checks()
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/bin/click-review", line 100, in run_all_checks
[09:16] <krampstudio>     section = self._run_module_checks(module)
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/bin/click-review", line 92, in _run_module_checks
[09:16] <krampstudio>     review.do_checks()
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/clickreviews/cr_common.py", line 566, in do_checks
[09:16] <krampstudio>     func()
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/clickreviews/cr_security.py", line 476, in check_template
[09:16] <krampstudio>     templates = self._get_templates(vendor, version)
[09:16] <krampstudio>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/clickreviews/cr_security.py", line 282, in _get_templates
[09:16] <krampstudio>     for k in self.aa_policy[vendor][version]['templates'].keys():
[09:16] <krampstudio> KeyError: 'ubuntu'
[09:16] <krampstudio> 11:15:01: The process "/usr/bin/click" exited with code 1.
[14:36] <ahoneybun> mm who's doing uTouch?
[14:36] <ahoneybun> *uTorch
[15:41] <JanC> you can find author's name + email in the store


[10:21] <robertj> ajmitch: I told you a lie, the new blessed way to specify OU when joining the domain is net ads join createcomputer=SubOU
[10:38] <robertj> http://en.pastebin.ca/443477 makes it fairly happyish
[10:44] <ajmitch> ah, you've got the latest branch, good
[10:44] <ajmitch> thanks for that
[10:46] <robertj> now it stops at mismatched workgroup
[10:46] <robertj> is it kosher to put that in params since it really doesn't go in smb.conf?
[10:48] <ajmitch> problem is that there should be a flag for AD/non-AD, and sticking values into the smb.conf & pam based on that
[10:49] <robertj> non AD smb you mean or non AD winbind?
[10:50] <ajmitch> non-ad winbind
[10:50] <ajmitch> which probably won't often be used
[10:52] <robertj> bbl


[18:00] <TheUbuntuMatePi> hello everyone.
[18:00] <TheUbuntuMatePi> I just installed ubuntu mate on my raspberry pi model 4b 8gb
[18:01] <TheUbuntuMatePi> I am running into an issue where the top and bottom screen is cut off. I can't see the dock, or the top panel.
[18:01] <TheUbuntuMatePi> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[18:02] <sixwheeledbeast> have you looked in displays, to see if there is anything wrong?
[18:03] <sixwheeledbeast> maybe your display is detected incorrectly?
[18:04] <TheUbuntuMatePi> I just changed the settings now in there
[18:04] <TheUbuntuMatePi> it corrected itself, but now the color seems off.
[18:05] <TheUbuntuMatePi> Yes. It corrects to where it works, but when I do the color settings go out of whack
[18:06] <TheUbuntuMatePi> It goes from vibrant to dull.


[00:06] <KidProQuo> :-S
[00:07] <KidProQuo> Where do we begin fixing that....
[00:07] <Viper550> he says that he and kwii will be announcing something next week
[00:08] <Viper550> http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg
[00:08] <KidProQuo> ok, I'll keep a look out.
[00:09] <Viper550> like it?
[00:10] <KidProQuo> It's a start
[00:10] <Viper550> much better than his "offical" proposal
[00:10] <KidProQuo> yeah, well that was a given
[00:11] <Viper550> he thinks that I shouldn't be "wast[ing] time duplicating effort"
[00:12] <Viper550> also like my green/black tango icons?
[00:13] <KidProQuo> I'm not really a fan of tango to be honest
[00:14] <Viper550> I just didn't want the icons for now to be blue or orange
[00:14] <KidProQuo> we do want to avoid this kind of problem with our icons though: http://www.thinkgos.com/
[00:15] <KidProQuo> the icons in the top corner of the screen-shot almost dissapear because they're so similar in colour to the background
[00:16] <Viper550> the wall is just temporary, okay?
[00:16] <KidProQuo> ok.
[00:17] <KidProQuo> Like i said earlier... I think your city idea earlier has a lot of potential
[00:56] <Viper550> hey hbons
[00:57] <hbons> hello Viper550
[00:57] <Viper550> worked on this for gobuntu http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg
[01:00] <hbons> looks great
[01:01] <hbons> you know that that house is a CC licensed icon?:)
[01:08] <Viper550> it's tango
[01:11] <hbons> it is, but isn't gobuntu about GPL only packages?
[01:11] <hbons> or am i wrong
[01:12] <Viper550> wrong. Gobuntu is Free Software Only.
[01:13] <Viper550> no unfree drivers, no "proper" Firefox, no Mono
[01:14] <hbons> ok
[01:18] <Viper550> better than their "offical" plans http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/gobuntu.png
[01:20] <hbons> yeah, much better
[01:20] <hbons> that looks like a OS from ten years back
[01:21] <Viper550> mine's better, and that looks like uninspired crap
[01:32] <Viper550> hey
[04:13] <KidProQuo> hey Viper550
[17:53] <woodwizzle> Is it possible to change the colors of certain elements in a gtkrc file?
[17:54] <woodwizzle> for instance the sliders?
[19:20] <nysosym> hi there
[19:21] <hbons> hello
[19:21] <nysosym> what are the results of the last meeting?
[19:21] <nysosym> hi hbons
[19:22] <hbons> don't know wasn't there
[19:22] <nysosym> shame on you ;)
[19:27] <nysosym> i have seen something about a new gtk theme, with a new color palette?
[19:29] <thorwil> nysosym: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign
[19:29] <nysosym> hardy will get a new color palette?
[19:29] <nothlit> no new palette yet, right now its more like a reduced oxygen swatch across the colour spectrum
[19:29] <nothlit> gtk theme will be dark
[19:30] <nothlit> hardy is supposed to be orange (with shift to red) and black
[19:30] <nysosym> is this fixed with a dark gtk theme?
[19:31] <nysosym> black and orange sounds nice
[19:43] <nysosym> but maybe hard to read, for humans is it much better to read black text on a white or something like white background
[19:43] <troy_s> nysosym: Read the Digg comments.
[19:44] <hbons> doesn't mean the widgets have to be black
[19:44] <nysosym> the beste background color is a beige/bright orange background
[19:44] <troy_s> There is no best.
[19:44] <nysosym> that's smooth for the the eyes and not so stressfull
[19:44] <hbons> so is blue
[19:45] <hbons> and black
[19:45] <nysosym> but from the design point, black looks only beautiful
[19:45] <troy_s> Again, time and time again research has proven those claims to be utterly false.
[19:45] <hbons> and black saves energy:)
[19:45] <nothlit> black is quite negligible for LCDs
[19:45] <troy_s> The American Medical Association has clearly stated that colour psychology is a bunk myth, among other top researchers.
[19:47] <thorwil> troy_s, including red = warm, blue = cold?
[19:47] <nysosym> a truly red is in that way not a alert color?
[19:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Well considering that yes, that is exactly the opposite of the actual colour temperature.
[19:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Colour is tightly bound to context.
[19:48] <troy_s> nysosym: And no... a simple comparison around the world regarding traffic sign colours will reveal that statement to be incorrect.
[19:48] <troy_s> nysosym: Certainly there are trends that people might follow, but again -- that falls into the "context"
[19:48] <thorwil> troy_s, what you are claiming is against anything i ever heared or read
[19:48] <troy_s> thorwil: That's nice.  Go study art.
[19:48] <thorwil> troy_s, i did something close to that
[19:49] <troy_s> thorwil: You certainly can paint a scene to a 'cooler' tone etc., being a blue.  But say for example, you were painting a blue white torch -- same connection.
[19:49] <nysosym> i think red is an eyecatcher in EVERY "context"
[19:49] <troy_s> thorwil: In the end, it is rather more about context than pure colour 'meaning'
[19:49] <hbons> wether color psychology is true or not, there are colors that are liked more
[19:50] <thorwil> troy_s, maybe we don't disagree but just level things differently
[19:50] <troy_s> thorwil: I just get tired of hearing the same misinformation flogged about in our FOSS crowd.
[19:50] <troy_s> thorwil: A good chunk of what people 'believe' is contextual -- related to the time, the design patterns around, trends, fads, etc.
[19:51] <thorwil> troy_s, everything is contextual. that doesn't help one bit
[19:51] <hbons> and what orange/red/yellow meaning danger, like poisonous creatures like bees, is that grounded?
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: Ugh.
[19:51] <nothlit> that has a context as well
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: Well _that_ is reality.  If people choose to live outside of it, I can't help that.
[19:53] <troy_s> hbons: Then dish detergent makers would be in a tight fit.
[19:53] <troy_s> hbons: No one would be buying those golden yellow tubs of liquid.
[19:53] <hbons> true
[19:54] <nothlit> poisonous markings come in all hues btw
[19:54] <hbons> and what about blue? people don't like eating blue food
[19:54] <thorwil> except blueberry
[19:54] <hbons> blueberry are more towards purple, i think
[19:55] <thorwil> wrong translation. blackberry :)
[19:56] <nothlit> those all have contexts like, evolutionary, survival, food etc
[19:56] <thorwil> well, anyway the few eatable things that are blue are ok
[19:57] <thorwil> the problem is food with the wrong colour. like green bread or blue bananas
[19:57] <hbons> aha, ok
[19:57] <hbons> interesting
[19:57] <troy_s> hbons: Blueberries?
[19:57] <troy_s> hbons: I love them.
[19:57] <troy_s> thorwil: Darn you -- you beat me to it :)
[19:58] <troy_s> thorwil: And what about Green Eggs and Ham!??!?!!
[19:58] <thorwil> *shrug*
[19:59] <troy_s> On a real side note, even visual 'illusions' are cultural based.
[19:59] <troy_s> Let me look up a link...
[20:00] <thorwil> ugh: http://blog.firstbook.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/minty_looking_eggs.jpg
[20:00] <hbons> just read
[20:00] <hbons> http://architectfantasy.com/?p=1
[20:00] <nysosym> i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst....
[20:01] <hbons> has some intereisting points abbout ubuntu
[20:02] <nysosym> we should try to make the best for the people and not the best for the theoretical science
 i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples.   Use a simple colour chord and play it.
[20:07]  * troy_s outs.
[20:21] <nysosym> OSX for example with the imitation of traffic lights for close windows (red) minimize them (yellow) and make the window bigger (green). Now i should get the fact, that other cultures don't get the meaning of these colors, but they click and see what happens? I have tried this with my little cousin (he is 14 months old) and he gets the fact that he shouldn't press the red button, because it's "bad".
[20:22] <nothlit> no one denies that there are cultural _contexts_ for colour, the point troy was trying to make is that there are no universal truths in this regard
[20:23] <nysosym> nothlit: fine ok, but where is the solution a color theme for every kind of culture?
[20:25] <nothlit> there is no magical solution
[20:25] <nothlit> you pick an audience, do your best and run with it
[20:28] <nysosym> ok, that's what everyone do :D
[20:29] <nysosym> but i think you'll agree that black text on white ground is much easier to read, as the opposite?
[20:32] <thorwil> nysosym, the studies i know of say no. allthough bright text on dark grounds tends to need more spacing. but people are more used to dark on bright
[20:32] <nothlit> well, don't some accessibility features invert the colours? :P
[20:33] <thorwil> nysosym, and websites will not switch to inverse for ubuntu ...
[20:35] <thorwil> nothlit, i once saw someone using a special ... viewing machine to read papers. it showed everything enlarged in green on black. for me it was easier to read the original ...
[20:36] <thorwil> but then again, i could read the monitor from several meters distance :)
[20:37] <nysosym> yes, that's what i mean. we shouldn't use sooo much areas with a black ground, the theme should be 60-70% white (or much brighter than black) and the rest could be black
[20:37] <nysosym> i think vista goes a good way to use the maximum of black in a gui. A good combination of white and black
[20:41] <hbons> what i think vista does right are the dark borders
[20:42] <hbons> in clearlooks for example it's all white, harder to distinct windows drom eachother
[20:44] <hbons> and the focus goes on the content, instead of the window border
[23:13] <woodwizzle> Hi all
[23:13] <woodwizzle> ;-( Shame it's always so dead in here


[02:05] <cupcake_genii> I've been giving random customers at the restaurant cupcakes, now I have 4 beers waiting for me later at the bar. No regulars showed up but I kinda figured that might happen since announcement was on the day-of
[02:08] <cupcake_genii> BobJonkman: Hopefully the 16.04 release will go a bit better
[02:08] <BobJonkman> Uh oh. Sorry I wasn't there, genii
[02:09] <BobJonkman> Maybe I'll have another Toronto-based contract by the spring, the better to go to Toronto release parties.
[02:10] <cupcake_genii> I figure the main thing is I continued the tradition and plan a bit better for April :) Also, more cupcakes for me...
[02:10] <BobJonkman> Nothing happened in KW at all -- Darcy just got married this past weekend, Charles couldn't make it, and I've been a bit busy these past 11 weeks...
[02:15] <cupcake_genii> BobJonkman: How long after LTS releases do they send CDs? Also, do we still actually qualify for that now, i forget...
[02:16] <BobJonkman> It was usually a couple or three weeks after, but since we didn't pursue the LoCo recertification we no longer qualify.
[02:16] <BobJonkman> Of course, we can re-apply. It's no more effort than renewing.
[02:17] <BobJonkman> But I think the consensus was that the DVDs are the only benefit we were getting (and Darcy always paid $$$ out of pocket for import brokerage charges).
[02:18] <BobJonkman> And nobody uses pieces of flat spinning plastic to install an OS any more. It's all USB keys now
[02:19] <BobJonkman> I still have a handful of 12.04 disks I wasn't able to get rid of.
[02:26] <cupcake_genii> http://i.imgur.com/Ldyh4qh.jpg my netbook and the cupcakes
[02:50] <cupcake_genii> BobJonkman: http://imgur.com/a/mZxIG gonna wait maybe another half hour then pack up
[02:51] <BobJonkman> cupcake_genii: Poor lonely Tux
[02:51] <BobJonkman> cupcake_genii: Poor lonely coffee machine
[02:51] <cupcake_genii> Hehe, yes
[02:52] <cupcake_genii> I could try to take a selfie if you want ... ;)
[02:52] <BobJonkman> Go for it.
[02:53] <BobJonkman> I wonder if you lost participants to MylesBraithwait- 's SelfHosting meeting at Hacklab tonight.
[02:55] <cupcake_genii> BobJonkman: Probably not, I didn't mass-email everyone in time and announcement was same day, etc
[02:55] <BobJonkman> Still, there's an overlap in the people that come out to these things
[02:56] <BobJonkman> Of course, the SelfHost meeting is probably done at this point, and the weather is still nice enough they could've walked over...
[02:59] <cupcake_genii> BobJonkman: Sorry, no flash on that side of my phone... http://imgur.com/a/rxwYc
[03:00] <BobJonkman> cupcake_genii: Got the idea across, tho
[03:01] <cupcake_genii> I thought the tux slfie came out OK


[00:51] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/181 - updated
[00:51] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: cool, I'm about to send an MP your way to fix callouts
[00:52] <lazyPower> haha, sweet. cuz we just broke the callouts on this page with that refactor
[00:52] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: yeah, it's been broken in that we're not doing what we document
[00:53] <marcoceppi> there's a bunch of malformed callouts, i was going to patch them, but instead I'll just make the plugin better
[00:53] <lazyPower> :heart:
[00:56] <marcoceppi> mm, sexy
[00:57] <marcoceppi> it's not pefect but it'll do
[00:57] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/182
[00:58] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: what about arosales feedback?"
[00:58] <lazyPower> That was patched in too
[00:58] <marcoceppi> cool, we need to teach him to comment on the diffs :P
[00:59] <lazyPower> he did
[00:59] <lazyPower> his diff's were a revision behind yours i think?
[00:59] <marcoceppi> he commented directly on the file
[00:59] <lazyPower> if you click on his comments they show them inline
[00:59] <marcoceppi> instead of the diff for the merge request
[00:59] <lazyPower> o
[00:59] <marcoceppi> so it's hard to see when they've been fixed
[00:59] <lazyPower> yesh
[00:59] <marcoceppi> like mine were hiddenb ecause they're out of date now
[00:59] <lazyPower> ok hang on regenerating
[00:59]  * lazyPower drum rolls
[01:00] <lazyPower> \o/
[01:00] <lazyPower> works
[01:00] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: also, for future reference, the bolding on the Note isn't required anymore
[01:00] <marcoceppi> and it can be any word as long as you use !!!!
[01:00] <marcoceppi> err !!!
[01:00] <marcoceppi> so "!!! Warning:" will work
[01:00] <marcoceppi> etc
[01:00] <marcoceppi> a true callout plugin
[01:00] <marcoceppi> what a time to be alive
[01:00] <lazyPower> we are exploring the uncharted waters of writing your own generators
[01:00] <lazyPower> wewt
[01:01] <lazyPower> ok
[01:01] <lazyPower> pull master, we're good to rock on this
[01:01] <marcoceppi> both have landed huzzah, they'll be live around 4a
[01:02] <marcoceppi> 6:00 UTC, fwiw
[01:03] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lazyPower heads up, I've got a guy looking into how to ingest the docs for use on the upcoming jujucharms.com rework.
[01:03] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: while we're romping around in the docs, we should define version'd branches
[01:03] <lazyPower> orly?
[01:03] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: would that be helpful ^^?
[01:03] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lazyPower so we might have some requests coming in to help us wrap that around the site and keep it up to date. We'll be wanting to make sure we address keeping it up to date/etc
[01:03] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: cool, style wise or content wise?
[01:03] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: style wise really
[01:04] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: and figuring out how to prenent it in a way that fits with nav/search/etc
[01:04] <rick_h_> we'll be looking to ingest the docs into elasticsearch and building a custom docs search box
[01:04] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: cool, it's pretty straight forward, there's one main template file then it's Markdown and CSS
[01:04] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: k
[01:04] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: lazyPower so if fabrice comes asking strange questions he's researching and doing some proof of concept stuff
[01:04] <lazyPower> ack
[01:04] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: cool, sounds good
[01:05] <marcoceppi> thanks for the heads up
[01:09] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: want to do a hangout to talk about the doc structure + versioning?
[01:09] <marcoceppi> right now?
[01:09] <lazyPower> uhh
[01:09] <lazyPower> when do you want to do it?
[01:09] <marcoceppi> we can do it now
[01:09] <marcoceppi> I was just asking
[01:09] <lazyPower> i mean i can EOD whenever
[01:09] <lazyPower> ye
[01:09] <lazyPower> lets do it now while its resh
[01:09] <lazyPower> *fresh
[01:09] <marcoceppi> join my favorite hangout url
[01:10] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/iwonderhowlongyoucanmakethesehangouturlsseemstherereallyisnolimitatall
[01:11] <aisrael> o/
[01:18] <lazyPower> o/
[01:45] <marcoceppi> o7
[01:46] <lazyPower> o5
[01:46] <lazyPower> i am quadroupal jointed
[01:51] <marcoceppi> it looks like a guy flexing
[01:52] <lazyPower> http://i.imgur.com/4mYD13u.gif
[02:13] <kadams54> rick_h_: If you're still around… how are we looking for release? I looked around at PRs and the kanban board and everything looked pretty good.
[02:58] <rick_h_> kadams54: everything is going well
[02:58] <kadams54> rick_h_: great!
[02:58] <rick_h_> just got back from coffee shop, right before I left functional charm tests passed on both precise/trusty
[02:58] <rick_h_> so the release is about 5 commands away
[02:58] <kadams54> is `rm -rf /` one of them?
[02:58] <rick_h_> hah, not quite
[03:02] <kadams54> Alright, it's off to bed for me. Here's to a smooth release.
[03:02] <rick_h_> kadams54: night
[03:09] <rick_h_> well they charms are up, waiting on ingest time
[03:09] <rick_h_> will do one final QA, but the code looks good on LP
[03:10] <rick_h_> oh heh, not the GUI channel is it
[09:56]  * bloodearnest is wondering if all the charms that use #!/bin/bash hooks need updating...
[09:57] <gnuoy> jamespage, any chance you could take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/keystone/next-lp-1355848/+merge/231529 ?
[09:58] <gnuoy> Tribaal, to you have a moment to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/next-multi-console-fix/+merge/233612 ?
[12:16] <Tribaal> gnuoy: sorry, was out for a moment. I can look, yes
[12:16] <gnuoy> Tribaal, thanks.
[13:35] <Spads> Hi, so what do I need to do to get juju status to show me floating IPs?
[13:36] <Spads> jjo says it should have visibility, but I'm confused
[13:36] <Spads> use-floating-ip is the only env setting I could find that matched, but I thought that was the old behaviour that made every unit get a floating IP
[13:59] <rcj> Trusty juju tools mismatch on s3... http://paste.ubuntu.com/8425671/
[14:01] <rcj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1373954
[14:01] <mup> Bug #1373954: juju-tools checksum mismatch for trusty on S3 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373954>
[14:10] <rcj> Can someone look at Juju tool checksum mismatches blocking bootstrap.  Now seen with Trusty/S3, Precise/Canonistack
[14:13] <rcj> Checksums @ http://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.juju:released:tools.json match content in http://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/releases/ which I assume is the source for the mirrors that have issues
[14:46] <arosales> marcoceppi: lazyPower: protips for commenting on diffs instead of the files?
[14:46] <arosales> marcoceppi: lazyPower re: git hub
[15:28] <sebas5384> question: Let's say I deploy an env on AWS through my machine, there's any way via other machine could comunicate to the same environment and continue deploying charms?
[15:31] <lazyPower> sebas5384: the othe rmachine would need a copy of your ~/.juju directory
[15:31] <lazyPower> specifically, the ~/.juju/environment_name.jenv
[15:31] <sebas5384> hmmm specifically the .jenv right?
[15:32] <sebas5384> holly s&*T
[15:32] <sebas5384> hehe
[15:32] <sebas5384> thanks lazyPower!
[15:32] <lazyPower> np sebas5384
[15:49] <johnmc> Hi all. Can anyone give me some advice on a problem with juju failing to deploy new LXC machines on a host?
[15:50] <johnmc> Some some unknown reason all new LXC containers intended to be deployed on machine "1" simply stay in pending state forever.
[15:50] <johnmc> This is what "juju stat" looks like http://pastebin.com/5b4D3d23
[15:52] <johnmc> all LXC containers from 1/lxc/22 onwards are pending. I've tried doing a "destroy-machine" and "destroy-machine --force" on them, which is how they ended up with "life: dead".
[15:53] <johnmc> I've looked at log files on machine "1", but can't see anything to suggest why it's not actioning the request for a new LXC container. No errors, nothing.
[15:54] <johnmc> if anyone can suggest logs files etc. I should be looking at that would help a lot, and right now, I've got nothing to go on.
[15:54] <johnmc> all existing LXC containers work fine, and come back after a complete physical host reboot.
[15:58] <natefinch> johnmc: it sounds like an lxc problem, if there's no juju errors.  Juju just tells lxc what to do.  Probably good start would be to ssh into the base machine and do an lxc-ls and see what it spits out
[16:00] <johnmc> Hi nate. I've been on the base machine quite a bit, and not found anything. This is what I get to lxc-ls:
[16:00] <johnmc> root@controller-cam1:~# lxc-ls
[16:00] <johnmc>   juju-machine-1-lxc-15  juju-machine-1-lxc-17  juju-machine-1-lxc-19  juju-machine-1-lxc-21   juju-machine-1-lxc-16  juju-machine-1-lxc-18  juju-machine-1-lxc-20
[16:00] <johnmc> just the healthy LXC containers
[16:03] <rick_h_> johnmc: what version of juju are you on? There were a bunch of lxc issues that have gotten fixed in recent weeks
[16:03] <johnmc> I would have thought that there'd be at least some activity in /var/log/juju/ in response to a request for a new LXC. Nothing happens there at all.
[16:04] <natefinch> johnmc: there definitely should be some output at least, when doing add-machine
[16:04] <johnmc> juju -> 1.20.7-0ubuntu1~14.04.1~juju1
[16:07] <johnmc> rick_h_: Is there a more recent version (after 1.20.7) I should try?
[16:08] <rick_h_> johnmc: nope that should have the fixes I believe so you're good there. Wanted to double check
[16:10] <johnmc> natefinch: As a test, I just did a "cp -a /var/log/juju /var/log/juju-old" on the base machine (1), followed by "juju add-machine lxc:1". I then waited a minute and ran "diff -uNr juju-old/ juju/" on the base machine. No logging had occurred.
[16:10] <rick_h_> johnmc: I think the juju logs are in a .juju directory for local stuff? /me tries to double check.
[16:10] <rick_h_> johnmc: so logs are in /home/rharding/.juju/local/log
[16:10] <rick_h_> where rharding is your username on the host machine
[16:10] <rick_h_> johnmc: and there's the all-machines.log along with per machine/unit logs there.
[16:11] <natefinch> rick_h_: it's maas, not local
[16:11] <rick_h_> hatch: natefinch oh, sorry. /me totally missed that part
[16:12]  * hatch pokes head in
[16:12] <natefinch> johnmc: if you do juju add-machine lxc:1 --debug --show-log  ... what does it print out?  It sounds like the commands aren't even making it to the server for some reason
[16:12] <hatch> rick_h_: did you mean to ping someone else? :)
[16:13] <marcoceppi> arosales: for github reviews
[16:13] <rick_h_> hatch: heh, I was starting to ping you for a different reason
[16:13] <hatch> oh haha
[16:13] <johnmc> natefinch: http://pastebin.com/sJ49b6BY
[16:14] <johnmc> says it's created
[16:15] <johnmc> says it's falling back to 1.18!
[16:21] <arosales> marcoceppi: ack, any protips?
[16:22] <marcoceppi> arosales: yeah, making a screenshot
[16:23] <marcoceppi> well, shutter keeps crashing
[16:23] <marcoceppi> when making comments, make them on the Files Changed tab
[16:23] <marcoceppi> that way they're associated with the merge request and not directly on the branch
[16:23] <marcoceppi> as the merge request is iterated upon with the feedback it'll close comments that are no longer up to date
[16:24] <marcoceppi> arosales: so at the bottom https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/181 you can see how your comments are still shown but mine are marked as outdated
[16:24] <marcoceppi> even though chuck addressed all the comments in the merge
[16:36] <johnmc> natefinch: I've updated to the latest juju-core on my juju -agent machine (machine 0), and tried again. I get the same log output as before ( http://pastebin.com/UbzN3mbY ).  Any idea where I go from here?
[16:38] <johnmc> natefinch: incidentally I can make as many LXC containers on machine "3" as I like. Only machine LXC creation attempts on "1" fail silently.
[16:48] <johnmc> Does anyone have any tips about where I should be looking for clues? Apart from the debug output I've shown ( http://pastebin.com/UbzN3mbY ) , there is no logging evidence I can find that sheds light on this.
[16:49] <johnmc> My request for an LXC container is disappearing into a black hole.
[17:08] <natefinch> johnmc: oh crap
[17:09] <natefinch> johnmc: I think we have a 1.18<->1.21 bug
[17:09] <natefinch> johnmc: we just fixed it last niedbalski
[17:09] <natefinch> johnmc: last night... heh trying auto-complete mid-sentence is not exactly what I wanted
[17:10] <natefinch> johnmc: although that doesn't explain why it would work on one machine and not the other... nevermind.
[17:11] <natefinch> johnmc: if you do the same command with --debug --show-log on machine 3 (where it works), do you get different output
[17:11] <natefinch> ?
[18:21] <johnmc> natefinch: Sorry, had to go away for a bit. This is the output when creating on machine 3: http://pastebin.com/scsj1Jzb . The machine was successfully created in less than 2 minutes.
[18:25] <natefinch> johnmc: hmm.... weird
[18:27] <johnmc> natefinch: Looking at the two base systems, they both have /var/lib/juju/tools/1.18.4-trusty-amd64 on them. Same version on both.
[18:34] <natefinch> johnmc: when you do add-machine to lxc:3, do you get output in the all-machines log that you don't see when you do it for lxc:1?  That seems like the most interesting place to start right now
[18:39] <weblife> I am using the GUI for the first time to set up an environment I created, hosted on the bootstrap node.  Did the drag of a zip, committed the changes and launched the instance.  I had an install error and want to ssh in but I am getting an error.  Could this be because I am using the GUI for launching the instance?
[18:41] <johnmc> natefinch: There's no all-machines.log on my workstation, but there is on my maas-agent machine. There is a block out log output *after* the new LXC machine was created on machine 3, but nothing that coincided with the actual request. This is the output: http://pastebin.com/fmX7bP9H
[18:42] <johnmc> natefinch: so, I suppose the behaviour is consistent across machines 1 & 2, in that you only get log output after a successful lxc machine creation.
[18:42] <natefinch> johnmc: sorry, yeah, I meant on the maas-agent machine.   You should get logs about things like the API being accessed
[18:44] <johnmc> natefinch: I get no logging whatsoever in response to the request.
[18:44] <johnmc> natefinch: only success creates any log output
[18:46] <weblife> nevermind I figured it out
[18:57] <natefinch> johnmc: I'm bringing up an environment of my own so I can double check some stuff, but realized my local environment was kinda messed up.  one is coming up now.
[19:06] <johnmc> natefinch: something interesting is going on with machine 1. Right now when I run "juju stat" it says "agent-state: down" for machine 1. I had this before an rectified it by restarting the juju daemon on machine 1. Strange this is that it was down earlier when I posted my initial stat output ( http://pastebin.com/5b4D3d23 ).
[19:07] <johnmc> natefinch: correction - it was *not* down earlier
[19:08] <natefinch> johnmc: yeah, something is wonky with that machine
[19:11] <johnmc> natefinch: It's the total lack of any log output that gets me. I've just restarted the jujud on machine 1, and it's up again. I then tried to create yet another lxc machine on there and see no new log output on eith the maas-agent, or machine 1.
[19:24] <natefinch> johnmc: can you run    sudo grep 1/lxc/30 /var/log/juju/all-machines.log      on that base maas-agent machine?
[19:32] <johnmc> natefinch: # sudo grep 1/lxc/30 /var/log/juju/all-machines.log grep: /var/log/juju/all-machines.log: No such file or directory
[19:32] <johnmc> natefinch: all-machines is only on maas-agent. Grepping the all-machines log there shows no log entries
[19:33] <johnmc> root@juju-agent:~# grep 1/lxc/30 /var/log/juju/all-machines.log \n root@juju-agent:~#
[19:34] <johnmc> natefinch: It's basically what I've been saying all along; the request for a machine vanishes without a trace.
[19:35] <natefinch> johnmc: on the same machine, if you grep for 3/lxc/10  do you get hits?
[19:42] <johnmc> natefinch: nothing for that either
[19:43] <natefinch> johnmc: ok, that's weird, since that's the one that's actually working
[19:44] <johnmc> As I said before, the lack of any logging pre-success is consistent.
[19:44] <themonk> hello
[19:47] <themonk> my juju says a machine is down, i never encounter it before, why is this happening?? and unit on that machine says "agent-state: down , agent-state-info: (started)"
[19:56] <natefinch> themonk: machines go down sometimes.... is the actual machine down, or just juju?
[19:59] <natefinch> johnmc: obviously deploying to lxc containers on machine 1 used to work, since you have some working.  Do you know when it stopped working?
[20:01] <sinzui> natefinch, themonk: if an local lxc env failed to tear down the cruft left behind will prevent new machines for starting
[20:01] <sinzui> natefinch, themonk I know there is a juju plugin that will clean the machine
[20:01]  * sinzui looks for doc about how to clean
[20:02] <natefinch> sinzui: johnmc is having a problem added new lxc containers to maas instances.  Not sure about themonk's problem yet
[20:02] <natefinch> sinzui: or rather... he can deploy lxc containers to one maas machine but not another
[20:03] <sinzui> I have no lxc maas experience johnmc  but there were bugs about the network the machine might give the lxc
[20:04] <natefinch> johnmc: is this a production environment?  Would you be willing to try upgrading the environment to 1.20.7?
[20:04] <johnmc> natefinch: The first time it failed I was trying to install a haproxy charm to both machine 1 & 3 at petty much the same time (yesterday). Machine 3 succeeded, and nothing happened on machine 1. No idea why.
[20:04] <sinzui> themonk, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8427862/
[20:04]  * sinzui looks for lxc maas bugs
[20:05] <johnmc> natefinch: In the end I realised I should have been using hacluster, but that realisation came long after the failure became apparent.
[20:05] <johnmc> natefinch: It's not in production yet. I'll happily try anything.
[20:06] <johnmc> natefinch: Is there a doc explaining what I need to do, or is there just a simple command?
[20:07] <natefinch> sinzui: juju upgrade-juju should just work, if he's on 1.18.4, right?
[20:08] <natefinch> sinzui: (and using 1.20.7 client)
[20:09] <natefinch> johnmc: in theory "juju upgrade-juju" should just work, because you're running a newer stable version of the juju client, and the server is running an older stable  version of the server.  But I'd wait for the go-ahead from sinzui.  He's our QA head, and does about 1000x as many upgrades as I do.
[20:11] <johnmc> natefinch: thanks. I'll check back in a few minutes.
[20:17] <themonk> natefinch, sinzui, thanks for response :) machine is up, one thing is that its in a virtualbox on windows machine
[20:18] <themonk> and its in laptop
[20:45] <johnmc> sinzui: Am I safe to run a "juju upgrade-juju" using a 1.20.7 client with 1.18.4 servers?
[20:45] <sinzui> johnmc, yes. We wouldn't release it if it wasn't safe
[20:49] <johnmc> sinzui: looks like I'm trapped due to my broken (pending) lxc machines. Erro message: ERROR some agents have not upgraded to the current environment version 1.18.4: machine-1-lxc-22, machine-1-lxc-23, machine-1-lxc-24, machine-1-lxc-25, machine-1-lxc-26, machine-1-lxc-27, machine-1-lxc-28, machine-1-lxc-29, machine-1-lxc-30, machine-1-lxc-31, machine-1-lxc-32
[20:49] <johnmc> sinzui: Those are the broken LXCs I've been discussing with natefinch.
[20:50] <johnmc> sinzui: they are the reason I'm trying the upgrade
[20:51] <sinzui> natefinch, you cannot upgrade while they are broken
[20:51] <sinzui> johnmc, Juju will queue the upgrade until all the machine and unit agents call home and report they are healthy
[20:52] <sinzui> johnmc, I know this because I have an arm64 instance that can go down. when it comes back, the upgrades take place
[20:53] <sinzui> johnmc, I am still reviewing the release. when I am done in about 30 minutes, I can return to the lxc maas bug list to find a solution to the problem
[21:02] <bic2k> natefinch and sinzui: I am literally having the same problem right now. Same version 1.18.4 for 1.20.7
[21:03] <bic2k> let me know if I can provide any details to help
[21:06] <bic2k> I lied, we are on 1.18.1 in this cluster
[21:13] <sinzui> bic2k, what do you see with "juju --show-log upgrade-juju" output will show which versions are available. We expect 1.18.4 for clouds with public access,
[21:13] <sinzui> bic2k, you can also be explicit about upgrade versions "juju --show-log upgrade-juju --version=1.18.4"
[21:14] <bic2k> sinzui: no matching tools avaliable?
[21:14] <sinzui> bic2k, explicit within reason. Juju has some internal rules about what it thinks I can upgrade too and will look for a match
[21:15] <sinzui> bic2k, does your env use public streams such as streams.canonical.com?
[21:15] <bic2k> sinzui: good question, thats no terminology to me. Where do I look?
[21:16] <sinzui> bic2k, run "juju get-env tools-metadata-url".  empty means default to streams.canonical.com
[21:16] <bic2k> sinzui: empty it is
[21:17]  * bic2k isn't sure why Yoda said that
[21:17] <sinzui> bic2k, lets ask juju to be explicit about what it is doing. can you paste the output of
[21:17] <sinzui> juju metadata validate-tools
[21:18] <bic2k> sinzui: local tools are on 1.20.7 right now, command metadata isn't around anymore right?
[21:18] <sinzui> bic2k, juju doesn't use your client unless you exploit a developer hack called --upload-tools
[21:20] <bic2k> sinzui: says the command is not found
[21:20] <sinzui> bic2k, are you on mac or windows?
[21:20] <bic2k> sinzui: mac
[21:20] <sinzui> bic2k, well good news for you. I promised to try to make the metadata plugin for mac today when I make the 1.20.5 binaries
[21:21] <sinzui> but that requires me to reboot my machine into os x
[21:21] <sinzui> bic2k, are you in a private cloud?
[21:21] <bic2k> sinzui: public?
[21:22] <sinzui> bic2k, aws, hp, azure, joyent?
[21:22] <sinzui> or your own openstack
[21:22] <bic2k> sinzui: lol, this is a cluster on aws. Been active since 0.12.1
[21:22] <sinzui> bic2k, okay, so I think we need to ask juju about the old urls...
[21:23] <sinzui> bic2k: juju get-env tools-url
[21:23] <bic2k> sinzui: empty
[21:23] <bic2k> want me to gist the whole env without secrets?
[21:26] <sinzui> bic2k, I am not sure. I just switch to my aws env. and it shows sensible answers
[21:27] <bic2k> perhaps I got caught in some old upgrade issue with juju in the 0.18 series?
[21:27] <bic2k> sinzui: been looking in the bugs/issues but nothing related so far
[21:27] <sinzui> bic2k, once you run upgrade-juju, the action is queuesd. juju wont let us run it again to see its decision
[21:35] <bic2k> sinzui saves the day. Thanks again. Solution was setting my tools-metadata-url to https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/
[21:36] <sinzui> bic2k, okay, then I think we have learned that old envs may not get the stream url updated during upgrades. 1.18 requires it and a bootstrap will set it
[21:36] <sinzui> bic2k, I will post this issue for others
[21:37] <sinzui> bic2k, so now I suspect "juju run" wont work for you because it is a known failure for upgrades
[21:37]  * sinzui looks for bug/work around
[21:40] <sinzui> bic2k, I think you are affected by bug 1353681
[21:40] <mup> Bug #1353681: juju upgrade-juju --upload-tools to 1.18.4 fails to provide juju-run <canonical-is> <run> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353681>
[21:41] <sinzui> oh, and so  my juju-ci3 env it seems
[21:41] <bic2k> mup: close, but this was public cloud and not using --upload-tools. No errors related to permissions either.
[21:41] <mup> bic2k: I apologize, but I'm pretty strict about only responding to known commands.
[21:42] <bic2k> sinzui: having an env to reproduce on can go a long ways in figuring it out.


[00:05] <linuxman410> i think unity still looks like gnome
[05:29] <philip_> sorry for asking questions here, not getting through the noise in #ubuntu. I'm getting a blank screen on booting livecd to install. Intel graphics
[05:32] <AndrewMC> philip_: You do need to ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners this channel is only for support for ubuntu Natty Narwhal
[14:20] <Ian_Corne> I've got my resolution back by upgrading to natty
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> this laptop is gonna be a workload :p
[15:09] <patdk-wk> a workload?
[16:30] <Goog_Josh> hello, does somebody knows how to change size of window's border in 10.10
[16:31] <jpds> bug #160311
[16:31] <jpds> Goog_Josh: Comment #11 of that bug?
[16:33] <Goog_Josh> yes, but how to fix this bug?
[16:34] <jpds> Comment #11 has a workaround.
[16:35] <Goog_Josh> i don't see
[16:36] <jpds> Goog_Josh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/11
[16:37] <Goog_Josh> thanks a lot just trying
[16:44] <Goog_Josh> just do it, thanks again. I was looking for it for three days
[16:47] <Goog_Josh> one more question: how to set inclusion numeric keys(numlock) by boot
[16:47] <Goog_Josh> ?
[16:51] <Goog_Josh> Does anyone know the for my last answer?
[16:56] <zniavre> numlockx ?
[16:57] <Goog_Josh> thanks, just fix it
[16:57] <Goog_Josh>  does anyone know how to fix the bug with sleep mode in 10.10
[16:59] <zniavre> you should switch to #ubuntu for question related to 10.10
[18:09] <dan2> what's the easiest way to upgrade to ubuntu unstable..
[18:12] <bjsnider> 'ubuntu unstable' -- what a debian-centric nomenclature
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> dan2: replacing maverick with natty in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:14] <dan2> k
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> mind that alpha1 isn't out yet
[18:15] <dan2> well I'm specifically looking to just get kdevel 4.1.0
[18:15] <dan2> kdevelop
[18:15] <dan2> there is some sort of tagging thing, but I forget how to use that
[21:31] <BUGabundo> good evening dear Ubuntistas
[21:31] <BUGabundo> and MERRY MERRY xtmas to you cwillu
[21:31] <BUGabundo> erk
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[21:32] <BUGabundo> can I have cake now?
[22:20]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a candle
[22:55] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, because you said merry xmas in october, you will be permanently banned from this channel
[22:56] <BUGabundo> YAY
[22:56] <BUGabundo> yeah, I really should said happy Halloween