[03:24] <len-1304> zequence, have you ever heard of these? http://www.audioscience.com/internet/products/sound_cards/asi564x.htm
[03:32] <len-1304> They seem to actively support linux. They have 8i/o PCIe cards with the ability to have up to 4 cards in a system (32 channels)
[03:33] <len-1304> In/outputs can be either/or AES or line level and are generally grouped in pairs. (the AES3 standard)
[03:36] <len-1304> They appear to be designed for broadcast work and are likely to be pricey for that reason.
[03:43] <len-1304> $1300 - $1700 depending on options :) The lower price is for either audio i/o or AES. The higher price is for both.
[10:10] <zequence> len-1304: Nope, never heard of them. I guess I would only know about cards that appear in different audio specific stores, generally. And even there, it's seldom I take a look around these days
[15:28] <len-1304> zequence, the audio science cards have some interesting features for streaming.
[15:29] <len-1304> It is certainly a name to remember if someone asks about HW for broadcast, either on air or internet
[15:30] <len-1304> It may also have some use for multi-channel (surround) mixdown. as it allows a set of channels to be locked as one stream. With just one set of controls.
[16:00] <len-1304> They have one set of cards with on board MP3. That is an MP3 stream can be sent to the card and get audio out or audio in will generate an MP3 stream
[16:49] <len-1304> Digigram also advertises Linux support. Alsa shows as of 1.0.25.
[16:57] <len-1304> Wow, thats the first time I have seen this: "Due to the reduced length of the PCI EXPRESS bus connector and the resulting lack of mechanical stability, we strongly advise against transporting cards installed in a computer"


[22:47] <valorie> from #k-devel:
[22:47] <valorie> [13:58] <clivejo> but I do think the KCC need to take the lead :P
[22:47] <valorie> [13:59] --> TJ- (~root@2a02:8011:2007::2) has joined this channel.
[22:47] <valorie> [13:59] <clivejo> if someone shows an interest, net them quickly and get them communicating with the people who can help develop the skills
[22:47] <valorie> [14:05] <clivejo> people look at the website and see no activity since Jon "stood" down.  New people just see that as a community falling apart :(
[22:47] <valorie> I agree, and we all need to take the lead
[22:48] <valorie> get those packaging docs in order, for starters


[06:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy and others
[07:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:03] <Kilos> morning superfly charl tonberryE352
[07:03] <tonberryE352> morning
[07:23] <charl> good morning
[07:23] <charl> Hi superfly, Kilos, tonberryE352
[07:23] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:23]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:23] <inetpro> good morning
[07:23] <inetpro> and hi Kilos
[07:24] <charl> hi inetpro
[07:24] <charl> long time no speak to
[07:24] <charl> how's it going
[07:24] <superfly> hi charl
[07:26] <HawkiesZA> Morning folks
[07:26] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell HawkiesZA http://znmeb.github.io/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/" 1 day, 23 hours, 20 minutes and 32 seconds ago
[07:26] <charl> hi HawkiesZA
[07:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:27] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[07:28] <inetpro> charl: hi, good and yourself
[07:28] <HawkiesZA> Hi Kilos, charl
[07:28] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, hows the greeter script going?
[07:29] <Kilos> you forgot hey
[07:29] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo
[07:30] <inetpro> hi HawkiesZA, superfly, tonberryE352
[07:30] <magespawn> good morning
[07:30] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[07:31] <Kilos> so inetpro have you guys finished the moves setups and upgrading yet
[07:31] <Kilos> so you can get back to normal
[07:31] <inetpro> Kilos: good question, will have to find out today
[07:31] <Kilos> mage aint there yet
[07:31] <Kilos> ah
[07:32] <magespawn> just got it Kilos
[07:32] <magespawn> s/it/in
[07:32] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[07:33] <magespawn> not so good, have manflu
[07:34] <inetpro> hmm... magespawn: at least it's not birdflu
[07:34] <HawkiesZA> hi inetpro
[07:34] <superfly> I never get manflu
[07:34] <superfly> hi inetpro, magespawn
[07:34] <HawkiesZA> Kilos, the fly said they were working on it :/
[07:36] <magespawn> manflu is the worst kind, can take an otherwise strong independant man and reduce him him to sniviling, self pitying mess
[07:36] <trender> manflu is like a woman then
[07:37] <superfly> magespawn: that's why I don't get it.
[07:38] <charl> inetpro: very good thanks
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello :)
[07:45] <inetpro> magespawn: you found it through self-diagnosis?
[07:45] <inetpro> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:46] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:46] <magespawn> inetpro indeed, that and i am friendly with the local pharmacist
[07:46] <magespawn> hi trender ThatGraemeGuy'
[07:51] <trender> yo mage...hoe gaanit
[07:54] <magespawn> good and you trender?
[07:56] <trender> no complaints man nobody listens
[07:56] <magespawn> HawkiesZA: i thought you might know some people who could use that software in the link
[07:58] <magespawn> trender: i think lots of people would listen, but that is about all most can do anyway
[07:59] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy trender
[08:01] <Kilos> magespawn, you gotta read logs man
[08:01] <Kilos> needed help yesterday with a tablet
[08:01] <magespawn> your sisters one?
[08:01] <Kilos> ya
[08:02] <Kilos> eventually got pc to see it with nokia cell data cable
[08:02] <Kilos> but dunno how to make it use my 3g
[08:03] <magespawn> i think you have to share the internet connection from the pc
[08:04] <Kilos> with nm?
[08:05] <magespawn> not sure how to
[08:06] <Kilos> all links i found was to use either a fone or tablet as the 3g
[08:06] <Kilos> nothing from tab to pcs 3g
[08:08] <magespawn> let me go look
[08:12] <Kilos> ty
[08:14] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[08:15] <magespawn> sorry Kilos brain is offline today
[08:15] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[08:20] <Kilos> im connecting the tab with data cable so will that route creatind adhock in wireless work?
[08:22] <magespawn> not in wireless, that would need both the pc and the tablet to be connected through a wireless network
[08:23] <magespawn> not sure how/if it will work through the usb cable
[08:24] <Kilos> i always have new probs
[08:24] <Kilos> maybe it will work once i got a wireless card in pc
[08:27] <Squirm> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/1012354_10152976661610472_1535466983_n.png
[08:27] <Squirm> I need one of those
[08:30] <magespawn> Kilos:  that might work better
[08:30] <Kilos> yeah lets hope
[08:31] <magespawn> Squirm: c is for coffee
[08:32] <magespawn> i saw a contraptioo of a coffee maker and something like a pi, so the owner could control it over the network
[08:32] <tonberryE352> if I only had the time...
[08:32] <tonberryE352> should be a fun project
[08:39] <charl> hi smile4ever
[08:39] <smile4ever> hi charl :)
[08:39] <charl> how's it going down south :)
[08:39] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[08:39] <magespawn> http://lifehacker.com/5883973/mod-your-coffee-machine-to-operate-by-remote-control-and-start-your-brew-before-getting-out-of-bed
[08:40] <smile4ever> Hi Kilos :D
[08:40] <smile4ever> charl: great! :D
[08:40] <smile4ever> I'm updating the exchange rates of foreign currencies on wikipedia
[08:40] <smile4ever> :)
[08:41] <magespawn> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt okay then
[08:41] <magespawn> hi smile4ever
[08:41] <charl> smile4ever: shouldn't that be done automatically?
[08:42] <smile4ever> charl: it isn't done automatically
[08:42] <smile4ever> ;)
[08:42] <smile4ever> hi magespawn :D
[08:42] <smile4ever> You didn't know that one? :o
[08:42] <charl> smile4ever: i don't know how to write bots for mediawiki but i think it should be fairly easy (in principle)
[08:42] <charl> there are a bunch of forex apis
[08:43] <smile4ever> charl: It's not easy to get info from a website which doesn't provide an api
[08:43] <smile4ever> because you'll need to parse the html
[08:43] <magespawn> with the rand that could be a day long job
[08:43] <charl> smile4ever: there are a bunch of forex apis but html scraping is simple, i used to do it a lot
[08:43] <charl> smile4ever: all you need is a powerful tagsoup parsing lib like jsoup
[08:44] <charl> smile4ever: i used jsoup in both java and python (jython)
[08:45] <smile4ever> charl: in order to edit, you also need an api key
[08:45] <smile4ever> which I'm not familiar with
[08:45] <charl> that's the problem
[08:45] <charl> i don't know how to do that either
[08:45] <smile4ever> I know how to get results from the api, but not how to edit with the api :)
[08:47] <smile4ever> You can't do everything with a bot though, there were two articles where I had difficulty to fix them :)
[08:47] <smile4ever> (out of 15)
[08:47] <charl> looking at https://github.com/MediaWiki-Bot/MediaWiki-Bot
[08:47] <charl> it's perl unfortunately
[08:48] <Squirm> magespawn: and Arduino would control it
[08:49] <Squirm> s/and/an
[08:50] <magespawn> Squirm: and if you could link it to Maaz it really would make the coffee when you asked it to
[08:50] <Squirm> definitely doable
[08:50] <smile4ever> charl: isn't perl difficult to read? :)
[08:51] <trender> *coff* ardiuno ...why cant people program proper microcontrollers why all the modern laziness ?
[08:51] <charl> yeah i hate it with a passion
[08:51] <charl> perl i mean
[08:51] <charl> but you can also write clean perl code if you have dicipline
[08:51] <charl> i'm reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot now
[08:51] <charl> this definitely looks doable
[08:51] <charl> but it will require some time
[08:51] <Squirm> yes
[08:52] <charl> i'm not really involved with the wikipedia project so i'm not "in it"
[08:52] <Squirm> the hardest part will be actually controlling the coffee machine
[08:53] <charl> what kind of coffee machine are you looking at? a simple drip-filter machine?
[08:53] <charl> it can't be that difficult - it has two states - on and off :)
[08:55] <Squirm> yeah
[08:55] <Squirm> just realised that
[08:55] <Squirm> thinking you could just hack the on/off switch
[08:55] <Squirm> connect a Pi powered relay
[08:56] <charl> there are power plugs you can buy that will do this
[08:56] <charl> just connect the coffee machine to the adapter and then the adapter to the wall
[08:56] <charl> you switch the coffee on using a remote control
[08:56] <Squirm> na
[08:57] <charl> i'm sure you could hack the remote control and operate it from a microcontroller
[08:57] <charl> it's just a button you press
[08:57] <Squirm> I bought a few Solid State Relays off of ebay(like 3GBP each incl. postage)
[08:58] <Squirm> busy making an app in python for android that will turn a few lights in my house on/off and my geyser
[08:58] <charl> you want to put the microcontroller inside the coffee machine?
[08:58] <charl> you will need to find enough space
[08:58] <Squirm> no no
[08:58] <Squirm> think of an on off switch on the coffee machine
[08:59] <charl> if you do it external you have a mess of electronics in your kitchen, an environment with water everywhere
[08:59] <Squirm> that's what an SSR is
[08:59] <Squirm> besides - I don't own a coffee machine
[08:59] <charl> yes i know what an SSR is but you will need to control it
[09:00] <charl> the control signal
[09:00] <Squirm> via network cable connected to my Pi
[09:00] <charl> that's possible
[09:00] <Squirm> using it just to drive the 3v
[09:01] <charl> you will still need to run the network cable, that's why i was thinking it would be better to do with with a wireless remote control
[09:01] <smile4ever> Squirm: cool, pi model B? :)
[09:01] <charl> but if you want to do it for lights, geyser etc, a cable is perfect
[09:02] <Squirm> charl: that is true
[09:02] <tonberryE352> are we arguing about microcontrollers and i missed it?
[09:02] <Squirm> smile4ever: model B, Rev A
[09:02] <smile4ever> Squirm: so 256MB ram? :p
[09:02] <Squirm> rev 1*
[09:03] <Squirm> smile4ever: indeed :/
[09:03] <charl> tonberryE352: shame on you :)
[09:03] <tonberryE352> trender because sometimes it is better to have slow working code that was quickly developed
[09:03] <tonberryE352> but in general I love avr but avoid ardiuno
[09:10] <smile4ever> Squirm: Oh. :(
[09:11] <Squirm> but I seem to have broken my SD card slot :/
[09:12] <tonberryE352> how do you break an sd card slot?
[09:12] <Squirm> tried gluing a Micro Sd adapter to it, but seems to have not made proper contac
[09:12] <Squirm> t
[09:12] <tonberryE352> oh
[09:13] <tonberryE352> superglue I assume?
[09:13] <Squirm> another form of contact adhesive
[09:13] <Squirm> hope I can pull it off nicely
[09:14] <tonberryE352> otherwise find another adapter and deadbug it on top of the slot
[10:24] <magespawn> later all home time, taking wife to doctor
[10:24] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[10:24] <psyatw> see you later, good luck with the wife
[10:25] <magespawn> hey psyatw, thank you
[10:31] <Kilos> aw sup magespawn
[10:31] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[10:32] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:32] <charl> hi psyatw
[10:32] <charl> how's it going in poland
[10:33] <psyatw> hi charl
[10:33] <psyatw> it´s going quite well actually
[10:33] <psyatw> I work and I survive
[10:34] <Kilos> life goes on
[10:34] <psyatw> yesterday I downloaded lots of books on Oracle, SAP and Linux
[10:34] <psyatw> and I will download even more when I am back at home tonight
[10:34] <charl> linux ok great but oracle and sap?
[10:34] <psyatw> I intend to study these things of course
[10:35] <charl> we use a lot of oracle and sap where i work, i would not encourage it :)
[10:35] <psyatw> well, I work at Ciber, a cloud company
[10:35] <psyatw> I know :)
[10:35] <psyatw> but it´s always good to know about that stuff, I think
[10:35] <psyatw> I want to move away from service desk as soon as possible
[10:36] <psyatw> it doesn´t add anything to my life or experience, even though it´s been interesting so far
[10:36] <charl> i have a lot of respect for service desk people because their job is not always easy dealing with angry users
[10:36] <charl> but it's definitely not something i would consider a career for myself
[10:37] <charl> i think i would go nuts in a week
[10:37] <psyatw> I know, that´s why it´s a good thing that I have been doing this for two months now
[10:37] <psyatw> exactly
[10:37] <psyatw> and I know too much to be actually working here
[10:38] <psyatw> but as I said it allowed me to come to Poland to explore my opportunities from relatively humble beginnings
[10:39] <charl> took a look at ciber - interesting company but the term "cloud" seems to have been watered down now to a point of meaninglessness
[10:39] <charl> it's a case of "just do whatever you have been doing before and call it cloud"
[10:40] <charl> then you're also Hype Approved (tm)
[10:41] <charl> taking a look at https://www.linuxliteos.com/
[10:41] <psyatw> yeah
[10:42] <charl> very promising lightweight ubuntu derivative
[10:42] <psyatw> I have mostly been dealing with system stuff myself and I find that most interesting
[10:42] <psyatw> but I also need to provide the skills that are asked for in the market, so I will be working on that for the time being
[10:44] <psyatw> not to mention wanting to get back into university after leaving delft, I guess I´ll continue my studies at open universiteit
[10:46] <charl> i saw this the other day: http://www.universiteitvannederland.nl/
[10:46] <charl> i hope they will do some good ict-related stuff
[10:47] <Vince-0> psyatw, why not LPI and ITIL ?
[10:47] <charl> Vince-0: ITIL ?!?!
[10:48] <psyatw> Vince-0: I am a programmer at heart, but I know system administration too, so I will do those too at some point
[10:49] <charl> is that becoming popular in .za now too?
[10:49] <Vince-0> yar
[10:50] <charl> i feel so sorry for you :)
[10:50] <Vince-0> see some of the Amazon support role specs
[10:51] <psyatw> btw, hi Vince-0 :)
[10:52] <charl> i had my own version of ITIL, i call it "KITIL" (sounds like "kietel" which in dutch means to tickle someone)
[10:52] <Vince-0> haai!
[10:52] <Vince-0> LPI is a piece of cake
[10:53] <charl> why do it then?\
[10:53] <Vince-0> LPI 2+3 are being revised in November
[10:53] <Vince-0> charl, just a piece of paper so I can rightfully call myself a Linux admin
[10:53] <charl> hmmm
[10:54] <charl> have you heard of PRINCE2 yet?
[10:54] <Vince-0> two 90 minute multiple choice exams online @ R1125, gets your Comptia Linux+, LPI1 and Novel Cert Admin
[10:54] <Vince-0> PRINCE2 yar
[10:54] <Vince-0> but that's heavy weight when compared to a ITIL foundation course
[10:55] <charl> regrettable, i'm so sorry to hear
[10:55] <charl> :)
[10:55] <Vince-0> think the PRINCE2 stuff is based on US processes, ITIL comes from UK IT office
[10:55] <charl> no prince2 is from the uk as well
[10:55] <charl> same people that developed itil
[10:57] <Vince-0> the ITIL foundation course is a piece of cake too - so LPI1 and ITIL foundation are quick wins for getting certs
[10:57] <charl> yeah i know i am itil v3 certified
[10:57] <charl> just study through the mock exams
[10:57] <charl> and pay attention in class
[10:58] <Vince-0> class! that's a costly exercise
[10:58] <Vince-0> I just got the books
[10:58] <psyatw> I guess I will study ITIL v3 too, just to have it
[10:59] <Vince-0> there are local test centers so its easy
[10:59] <charl> i don't know if you really need it but i got it along with a group at work
[11:00] <charl> do people really care about certifications that much in ict?
[11:00] <charl> my experience has been quite the opposite
[11:00] <Vince-0> usually, depends on the company
[11:01] <charl> afaik nobody ever asked me about my qualifications, i don't care, i have a bachelors
[11:01] <charl> that's all i need :)
[11:03] <Vince-0> ya that gets you in the door
[11:03] <Vince-0> easy
[11:04] <Vince-0> RHCE is on the cards for me next year
[11:06] <psyatw> :)
[11:06] <psyatw> I will work on getting mine too
[11:08] <Vince-0> yoh, Gnome3 GUI just froze on desktop preview -
[11:12] <charl> i ran gnome3 for about a year - it wasn't very stable
[11:12] <charl> eventually moved away to kde4 and then to i3
[11:13] <Vince-0> Still Fedora 17 here, very nice other than that - haven't updated in a while
[11:13] <charl> oh yeah i remember it
[11:14] <charl> tried it out but am not a big redhat fan
[11:14] <psyatw> neither am I
[11:14] <psyatw> they work on cool stuff but I usually find their distribution unusable on the desktop
[11:16] <charl> i just think apt is miles ahead of yum
[11:16] <charl> on old pcs yum also used to be super slow
[11:19] <psyatw> that is the case too, yes
[11:20] <Vince-0> nort ey, RH for the win
[11:21] <charl> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/07/01/the-restaurant-that-powered-the-team-behind-one-of-nintendos-biggest-hits/
[11:21] <charl> food looks delicious
[11:21] <charl> watched the video
[11:49] <Kilos> 2400000 is that 2.4 gig
[11:49]  * Kilos gets mixed up with how many zeroes are needed
[11:54] <Kilos> charl, whats with http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4830&context=etd
[11:54] <Kilos> the bot says its forbidden
[12:05] <Kilos> inetpro, hehe cheap android fone??
[12:05] <Kilos> over a grand
[12:11] <inetpro> Kilos: where did you look around?
[12:12] <Kilos> http://www.pricecheck.co.za/categories/f/126/Cellular+Phones/f/269/Android/0/tp.weekly/DESC/
[12:12] <Kilos> i googled cheapest android fones and it came up with best android phones
[12:12] <Kilos> grrr
[12:20] <inetpro> Vodacom used to have cheap Vodafone branded android phones
[12:21] <inetpro> can't find one now
[12:22] <Kilos> np ty sir
[12:23] <inetpro> the Samsung Galaxy Pocket = R 899 .00 at Vodacom
[12:23] <inetpro> there should be something more in line with that
[12:23] <Kilos> eish i think ill try with a wireless card in pc first
[12:24] <Kilos> if it works its only R250 used
[12:25] <inetpro> Kilos: get the specs before you buy
[12:26] <Kilos> well it must work on either ubuntu or win 7 so i gotta take a chance
[12:26] <Kilos> peeps dont wanna gives specs in mail;
[12:26] <Kilos> they think you gonna then shop around i spose
[12:26] <Kilos> we gotta go to closest shop
[12:27] <Kilos> when we can swaar blew head gasket on sis's car when heater pipe burst sunday
[12:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you should perhaps look at getting a USB dongle rather than a PCI card
[12:27] <inetpro> unless others disagree
[12:28] <Kilos> usb dongle for?
[12:28] <inetpro> usb wifi dongle
[12:28] <Kilos> oh my
[12:29] <Kilos> everything coming in usb
[12:29] <Kilos> whew
[12:29] <inetpro> a PCI adapter may give many headaches to make it work on Ubuntu
[12:29] <Kilos> ill check what i find in them ty
[12:29] <Kilos> oh my
[12:30] <inetpro> a USB dongle would most likely be just plug and play
[12:30] <Kilos> cool
[12:31] <inetpro> but I can't tell for sure because I haven't played around in this area
[12:31] <inetpro> just going on what others have told me
[12:31] <Kilos> i see one for R236
[12:31] <Kilos> ah ty for the info
[12:33] <inetpro> Kilos: they tell me you must look around in the small electronics shops
[12:33] <inetpro> R236 sounds a bit much
[12:34] <Kilos> oh
[12:34] <plustwo> Kilos: how soon you want this?
[12:35] <plustwo> i can check for you tomorrow, how much they go for. lower than that price
[12:35] <Kilos> hehe funny question
[12:35] <plustwo> oh! hi everyone
[12:35] <Kilos> got sis chafing at the bit to get tab working
[12:35] <Kilos> hi plustwo
[12:36] <plustwo> o/
[12:36] <plustwo> ok
[12:36] <inetpro> ahh thanks plustwo, I knew you would be able to help with this
[12:36] <Kilos> inetpro, also then there is also the sharing to figure out
[12:36] <charl> congratulations, i see south africa has joined the european union http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers&server_id=93
[12:37] <plustwo> no problem, will update you tomorrow.
[12:37] <Kilos> so i will need to share usb 3g and usb wireless from tab
[12:37] <charl> israel too http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers&server_id=33
[12:37] <Kilos> talk to me plustwo
[12:38] <charl> Kilos: i can open the above url fine
[12:38] <charl> Kilos: this one: http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4830&context=etd
[12:38] <plustwo> i think you'll need to access wireless from tab to 3g.
[12:39] <Kilos> if thats possible thats good plustwo price?
[12:39] <inetpro> Kilos: your phone will be your 3g and the wifi dongle will be the AP for the tab
[12:39] <Kilos> my 3g modem must be the internet
[12:40] <Kilos> stupid tablet should come with that in the swines
[12:41] <Kilos> im not buying a fone as well so she can get a couple of books a month and emails
[12:42] <inetpro> Kilos: might be a bit tricky, that is why I prefer keeping these things separate
[12:42] <Kilos> when one data cable connects a tablet to a pc should you have full control of the tablet from the pc
[12:43] <plustwo> that would be a wired connection from the pc to the tab. not a wireless one
[12:44] <Kilos> or just the ability to drag drop stuff to it\
[12:44] <plustwo> drag and drop, yes.
[12:44] <Kilos> yes plustwo but i dunno how to make the tablet then use the 3g
[12:44] <Kilos> and it needs to get an ebook reader
[12:45] <plustwo> ok
[12:46] <plustwo> ebook reader application you mean, oom?
[12:46] <inetpro> Kilos: take one step at a time
[12:47] <inetpro> you need internet access first
[12:47] <Kilos> ya maybe first get wifi working i think
[12:47] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:48] <Kilos> i googled last night but everything shows tethering etc to a cellphone
[12:49] <Kilos> cant find how to do something similar to ssh with masquerading
[12:50] <Kilos> charl, what does it say there for formula for wifi antenna
[12:51] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously you should be able to connect to the internet from any other hotspot out there
[12:51] <Kilos> there arent any near inetpro
[12:51] <Kilos> that one i told you about last night is the closest and it behind the mountain
[12:52] <Kilos> that park place
[12:52] <Kilos> grrr
[12:52] <inetpro> visit any McDonalds
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <inetpro> or Wimpy
[12:53] <Kilos> nee man
[12:53] <inetpro> or the library
[12:53] <Kilos> i must make it work from here
[12:53] <Kilos> no other option
[12:53] <inetpro> or some filling station
[12:54] <Kilos> do filling stations have wifi?
[12:54] <inetpro> some of them have these days, just ask around
[13:00] <Kilos> ok ty
[13:01] <Kilos> yes plustwo the ebook reader. ive download some epub boots here for her but the thing cant open them
[13:01] <Kilos> grrr
[13:02] <Kilos> thought at least id give her something to read
[13:02] <Kilos> hehe
[13:02] <Superhuman> Kilos: is it an Android tab?
[13:02] <Kilos> keep her busy for a while
[13:02] <plustwo> ok, try ireader or moon+ reader...
[13:03] <Kilos> yes superfly a blaupunkt etab 0507
[13:03] <plustwo> if it's an android tab
[13:04] <Kilos> i looked at some readers for the thing from here but they want to directly install not download here and drag/drop there to install
[13:04] <Superhuman> ok, I personally use Aldiko ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aldiko.android ) but on some devices it doesn't work, then try eBook Reader ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ebooks.ebookreader )
[13:05] <Kilos> as inetpro says i gotta get it to connect to the internet first
[13:05] <Superhuman> Jip.
[13:05] <Kilos> what a schlep
[13:06] <Kilos> in the book it even says linux compatible
[13:06] <Kilos> hehe
[13:06] <Superhuman> You connecting 3G and/or Wifi (if I scan the convo correctly), what seems to be the issue?
[13:06] <Kilos> now i hear you got linux fix it
[13:06] <Kilos> it has no built in 3g
[13:06] <Kilos> only wifi
[13:08] <Superhuman> Eish, pain in the @..
[13:08] <Kilos> tell me about it i cant even sit down anymore
[13:09] <Kilos> hehe
[13:09] <Superhuman> I suppose you don't have a wifi router for it to connect to?
[13:09] <Kilos> no router at all
[13:09] <Kilos> only 3g dongle here
[13:10] <Superhuman> Ouch, yeah, the only way tethering works at the moment is pc-to-mobile-device
[13:10] <Superhuman> so at the moment you can't connect it to a pc and then use the pc's internet connection...
[13:10] <Kilos> ya thats all i found too
[13:10] <Kilos> grrr
[13:11] <Superhuman> I've tried it a million times.
[13:11] <Kilos> oh my
[13:11] <Superhuman> The best solution is to get a cheap wifi router, and connect it up to the pc with a lan cable, and use the pc as the gateway for the tablet.
[13:12] <Superhuman> So basically connection the tablet to the router, then setting the settings via dhcp (dhcp server: router or pc).
[13:12] <Kilos> well if anyone here has one for sale they must just shout
[13:14] <Superhuman> you a neasily pick up a cheapy between R250 and R500. I wouldn't trust the R250 one, but it can be a good start, as long as it is a known brand.
[13:14] <Kilos> whew where
[13:14] <Kilos> 250 is good
[13:14] <Superhuman> I have the same situation at home. Just haven't had the chance to actually do someting about it.
[13:14] <Kilos> speed dont matter
[13:15] <Kilos> the pro said ask if someone has upgraded to a better router and wants to sell the old one
[13:21] <inetpro> Kilos: Superhuman actually has a good suggestion that I didn't even think about
[13:22] <Superhuman> There used to be a cheap TrendNet one, but it seems to have been discontinued. New ones: http://www.pricecheck.co.za/search/?search=wifi+router&search_category_id=191&sort=price%20asc
[13:22] <Superhuman> Otherwise look for secondhand ones on JunkMail or Olx.
[13:22] <inetpro> those older routers without 3g but with wifi should work just fine with your PC acting as a gateway
[13:23] <Superhuman> bid or buy might have a s well.
[13:23] <Kilos> ah ty
[13:24] <Superhuman> When I want to try out something like this, my first stop is a dodgy electronics shop (the cheap ones that sell airtime, cellphones, radios and teddy bears).
[13:25] <Superhuman> They normally have import electronics that are cheap and work for about 6months depending on quality.
[13:25] <Superhuman> I got away with 7.1 surround sound headset from one for about R200. They are still working, 3 years later.
[13:26] <inetpro> Superhuman: or they might even have cheap 2nd hand stuffs
[13:26] <Superhuman> true
[13:26] <Kilos> i dont get around do do shop so dont even know where them places are anymoreping
[13:26] <Kilos> where did that ping come from
[13:26] <Kilos> i didnt type that
[13:27] <Kilos> oh anymore shopping
[13:27] <Superhuman> My local one is next to our spar.
[13:27] <Kilos> whew
[13:27] <inetpro> Kilos: what ping are you talking about?
[13:28] <Kilos> anymoreping
[13:28] <Superhuman> Every mall/shopping centre has one. You just gotta know where to look. They are ussually disguised as cellphone shops.
[13:28] <Kilos> i dunno what happened to that sentence
[13:28] <inetpro> hmm... my eyes didn't even see it :-)
[13:29] <Kilos> weird
[13:53] <Kilos> sigh power went
[14:02] <Kilos> inetpro, found a solution
[14:02] <Kilos> http://pretoria.olx.co.za/billion-3g-wireless-7300nx-router-r300-as-new-iid-523791519
[14:02] <Kilos> just need someone to go get it
[14:02]  * Kilos ducks
[14:03] <Kilos> is it on your way home?
[14:12] <Kilos> eish we cant even get to fone him. sigh
[14:12] <Kilos> maybe he is busy with his fone
[14:15] <inetpro> Kilos: sounds like a good deal, just keep calling, or try another similar option
[14:16] <Kilos> i mailed him too
[14:16] <Kilos> hope it aint sold
[14:24] <Kilos> eish he has someone coming tonight to look at it
[14:33] <Kilos> he couldnt get it working so bought another one which he cant get working either
[14:42] <Kilos> http://pretoria.olx.co.za/d-link-adsl-3g-wireless-router-iid-517885230
[14:42] <Kilos> r@%)
[14:42] <Kilos> R250
[14:50] <Kilos> gi georgelappies theblazehen
[14:50] <Kilos> hi as well
[14:51] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[14:51] <Kilos> too much googling flattens head
[15:18] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[15:18] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[15:55] <magespawn> evening all
[15:55] <Cantide> evening~
[15:55] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:55] <Kilos> hi neo31
[15:56] <Kilos> you a linux guru or you need help?
[15:56] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[15:57] <neo31> hi Kilos
[15:58] <neo31> hello folks :)
[15:59] <magespawn> hi neo31
[16:00] <magespawn> Kilos: i think if every one was like you people like me would be out of a job
[16:01] <Kilos> oh my what did i do now
[16:01] <magespawn> you now going on about a router just to set up a shared internet connection
[16:03] <magespawn> if that is not geeky, then i do not ono
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <magespawn> if that is not geeky, then i do not know what is
[16:03] <Kilos> sistersare like wives man
[16:04] <Kilos> if they not happy you eat bread only
[16:04] <Vince-0> Haai
[16:04] <magespawn> indeed
[16:05] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[16:05] <Vince-0> Blerry Monday is over, whoot
[16:05] <Kilos> hehe
[16:06] <Cantide> haha
[16:06] <Cantide> i finished work at 2 pm today :)
[16:06] <Cantide> nicest Monday everrrrrrrrr
[16:07] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> so where are all our hams
[16:28] <Cantide> i ate them
[16:29] <Kilos> is the formula 492/freq in meg still the same for a 2.4g antenna
[16:29] <Kilos> radio hams man
[16:29] <Kilos> amateur radio guys
[16:29] <Cantide> :p
[16:29] <Cantide> i have no idea about that stuff :p
[16:33] <Kilos> i dunno what to google for, my radio notes are from 1979
[16:49] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[17:49] <magespawn> later all, bed time
[17:50] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[17:50] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:39] <smile4ever> bye
[18:52] <Kilos> methinks only leaks can be from peeps riding past looking for wifi connections hey?
[19:16] <inetpro> good evening
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: have you found a router yet?
[19:17] <Kilos> so that one aint sold. inetpro sis picking it up tomorrow
[19:17] <Kilos> and good evening
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean the d-link?
[19:17] <Kilos> Billion 3G Wireless 7300nx router
[19:18] <inetpro> ah
[19:18] <Kilos> then we start all over to get it working
[19:19] <Kilos> ive never seen a router even
[19:20] <Kilos>  but its progress in the pc world
[19:20] <inetpro> don't worry, no need to have a helicopter pilot license
[19:21] <Kilos> haha
[19:22] <Kilos> i send that script i use to get 3g working here to that johan on the list but no reply yet
[19:23] <deegee_1> o/
[19:23] <inetpro> I see that is not a 3g router like the new ones but it should work perfectly the way Superhuman described this afternoon
[19:24] <Kilos> whew i better go find that and save it
[19:24] <Kilos> yo deegee_1
[19:25] <inetpro> for 3g connectivity in this router it looks like you need a 3g usb modem
[19:25] <deegee_1> oi Kilos; i'm using a telkom routerADSL or 3g  usb modem
[19:25] <inetpro> but your pc will act as a router
[19:25] <deegee_1> the router is connecting my pcduino via wireless
[19:25] <Kilos> oh dont the tablet see the 3g
[19:25] <inetpro> deegee_1: wb
[19:26] <deegee_1> inetpro: hi
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: don't stress about things now, just get the thing and peeps will start helping when you have it
[19:28] <Kilos> cool ty
[19:28] <Kilos> dont it take the sim in it
[19:28] <inetpro> if there's no hardware issues you should be fine
[19:28] <Kilos> or does the 3g dongle have to stay on pc?
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: nope, looks like it doesn't take a sim
[19:28] <Kilos> oh my
[19:29] <Kilos> whats the good of calling it a 3g modem then
[19:29] <Kilos> 3g router
[19:30] <inetpro> Using the integrated USB 2.0 ports, the device allows you to share a blistering wired or 3G-based wireless Internet connection with multiple computers or laptops.
[19:30] <inetpro> it has a usb port where you could plug in a 3g usb modem
[19:30] <inetpro> but I don't think you'll need that
[19:31] <Kilos> if i put the 3g in there will the tablet then go via the router to the internet
[19:32] <deegee_1> need help to setting up freeradius on ubuntu, google just gives out a lot of dead end links on some info. any help with links will help greatly. tnx in advance.
[19:32] <inetpro> could almost be false advertising if you ask me
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: we will have to help you to set up your PC as the router
[19:33] <Kilos> • 3G network sharing
[19:33] <Kilos>  • Storage: FTP server, samba server
[19:33] <inetpro> actually you've already done exactly that when you connected your 2nd PC
[19:33] <Kilos> what does that mean
[19:33] <Kilos> http://www.billion.com/product/3g/BiPAC-7300NX-3G-Wireless-N-ADSL2-Firewall-Router.html
[19:34] <Kilos> long way down
[19:34] <Kilos> by usb application server
[19:35] <inetpro> well you could use that but I doubt you need all that
[19:36] <Kilos> oh well when its here ill start thinking about it
[19:36] <Kilos> do those things come with install cds for winsucks
[19:36] <Kilos> i might have to change some things in nm setup
[19:37] <Kilos> now it must just be locked to cellc or voda and ill cry
[19:38] <inetpro> it shouldn't
[19:38] <inetpro> well actually I don't see how they would do that
[19:40] <Kilos> oh not like 3g modems
[19:40] <Kilos> and some wireless dongles like the vodafone one
[19:41] <Kilos> im sure the vodafone  one wont take 8ta'
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: actually I'm not sure whether it is worth paying R250 for this thing but it will be good enough for your current needs
[19:42] <Kilos> whew explain inetpro
[19:42] <inetpro> well it is 2nd hand after all
[19:42] <Kilos> oh you didnt read
[19:43] <inetpro> I'm not quite sure what similar devices go for these days
[19:43] <inetpro> I didn't read?
[19:43] <Kilos> the okey bought it and he couldnt get it working so bought another one and couldnt get that working either
[19:43] <Kilos> i think their price is 900+
[19:43] <inetpro> ah, ok
[19:44] <Kilos> i thought its a good price if he is telling the truth
[19:44] <Kilos> he works at club motors
[19:45] <Kilos> so i can always go visit with a baseball bat
[19:45] <Kilos> hehe
[19:45] <Kilos> or send you okes
[19:46] <inetpro> :-)
[19:46] <inetpro> well sounds like a good deal then
[19:47] <Kilos> i think so
[19:48] <Kilos> deegee_1, does ubuntu see the router and the router the 3g or does ubuntu still see the 3g
[19:50] <deegee_1> yes, it does see the router wirelessly.
[19:50] <Kilos> oh my
[19:50] <Kilos> here the router will be over eth
[19:50] <deegee_1> router is connected  to 3g usb dongle to the internet
[19:51] <Kilos> so ubuntu dont worry about the modem then
[19:51] <deegee_1> your router will have eth ports and wireless aerials.
[19:51] <deegee_1> nope
[19:51] <Kilos> cool
[19:51] <deegee_1> you controll the router via web interface
[19:52] <Kilos> hope the router recognises my modem
[19:52] <Kilos> otherwise ill have to leave the 3g in the pc
[19:52] <deegee_1> you tell your router to allow wireless clients (tab) to access the internet via the router
[19:53] <deegee_1> if the router has a usb port on it, then you can attach the 3g usb on the router
[19:53] <Kilos> and how do you block neighbours from using you wireless
[19:53] <deegee_1> then your wired pc to the router
[19:53] <deegee_1> you hide the ssid
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: in your case the router will just act as a switch with you phone still connected to your PC as always
[19:53] <Kilos> ya router has usb ports
[19:53] <inetpro> your PC will be the router
[19:54] <deegee_1> with a strong password as well
[19:54] <deegee_1> no, pc will be wired client to the router
[19:55] <deegee_1> your router whas the ability to distribute ip addresses automatically, dhcp.
[19:55] <Kilos> oh so i can use modem in pc or router
[19:55] <Kilos> oh ok
[19:55] <Kilos> whew head spinning all this new info so fast
[19:55] <deegee_1> you'll manage your internet connectivity from the web interface of the router.
[19:56] <Kilos> oh my more to learn
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: currently, as far as I understand, your pc initiates the 3g connection on your phone, am I right?
[19:56] <deegee_1> hope i explained in a basic way and not confusing way. i stand under correction.
[19:56] <Kilos> not fone man that arab 3g dongle
[19:57] <Kilos> alcatel dongle
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, ok I forgot about that arab thing
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <inetpro> so maybe it will just work
[19:57] <Kilos> old age
[19:57] <Kilos> lets hope
[19:58] <Kilos> thanks for all the info guys
[19:58] <Kilos> methinks bed time for ballies
[19:58] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: good night oom
[20:00]  * deegee_1 continues with research ...
[20:01] <inetpro> sorry deegee_1, am to tired to even think about radius let alone help
[20:02]  * inetpro sal jou van die wal af in die sloot in help
[20:02] <deegee_1> no stress, will keep searching inetpro
[20:11]  * deegee_1 naps
[20:11] <deegee_1> inetpro: will look at this tomorrow; http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/print/tutorials/article.php/3834676/How-to-Use-FreeRADIUS-for-Wi-Fi-Authentication-Part-1.htm
[20:12] <inetpro> ok
[20:13] <deegee_1> bye


[00:02] <jpds> txwikinger / txwikinger3: ubuntu-ca.org DNS updated.
[00:03]  * mhall119 throws a brick at cjohnston
[00:03] <mhall119> stop blowing up my inbox
[00:04] <cjohnston> lol
[00:04] <cjohnston> onle ~300 bugs left to go through
[00:04] <cjohnston> just wait till we have a little mini bug jam session and close a hundred bugs in one day
[00:05] <cjohnston> hehe
[00:05] <cjohnston> it was only about 25 emails
[00:07] <mhall119> you're about to get your very own inbox filter rule
[00:07] <cjohnston> yay!
[00:07] <jpds> mhall119: Anything but the /dev/null.
[00:07] <cjohnston> I strive to be special
[06:12] <Ddorda> g'morning :)
[06:30] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:18] <dholbach> good morning!
[11:03] <dholbach> mhall119, how's the bits and pieces for the django foundations coming together?
[13:52] <mhall119> dholbach: not much going on right now, first bit of free time I've had went to the big 2 LD bugs
[13:53] <dholbach> mhall119, sure sure - take it easy - I'm not here to hassle you :)
[13:54] <mhall119> I know
[13:54] <mhall119> I'm wishing there was a forest/subrepo plugin or something for bzr
[13:54] <mhall119> that would make things much easier to manage
[13:55] <mhall119> dholbach: if you can get in touch with jamesh about my outstanding django-openid-auth merge proposals, I'd appreciate it
[13:55] <mhall119> I've tried sending emails, bumping the propsal, even IRC
[13:58] <dholbach> mhall119, will do
[13:58] <dholbach> I just talked to him and he said he'd been extremely busy - I'll see if there's any other point of contact
[13:58] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[13:59] <mhall119> I applied to join the team, but even if approved I wouldn't want to approve and land my own code
[14:00] <dholbach> yeah - I don't like doing that myself
[14:04] <mhall119> dholbach: can you go here http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/16/detail/
[14:04] <mhall119> and tell me if you get a pix.ie login prompt
[14:05] <dholbach> I do
[14:05] <mhall119> :(
[14:05] <dholbach> the link to the pixie thing is broken too: http://pix.ie/notfound#ubuntu%20#release%20#party%20#2010%20#10.04
[14:06] <dholbach> http://pix.ie/explore/tag/#ubuntu%20#release%20#party%20#2010%20#10.04
[14:06] <dholbach> oh man
[14:06] <mhall119> maybe that's why
[14:06] <dholbach> why did we move back to loads of tags?
[14:06] <mhall119> no other global event is giving the pixie login
[14:06] <mhall119> dholbach: we didn't
[14:06] <dholbach> it breaks all links
[14:06] <mhall119> it's an old global event
[14:06] <dholbach> ah ok
[14:06] <dholbach> he, thanks :)
[14:07] <dholbach> I got worried already :)
[14:07] <mhall119> it's the Lucid release party event
[14:07] <dholbach> gotcha :)
[14:07] <mhall119> for some reason the Bangladesh team is having one this month :(
[19:38] <YoBoY> FrenchTeam report : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrenchTeam/TeamReports/10/November
[19:50] <Ddorda> YoBoY: wow, the stuff look AWESOME!
[19:50] <Ddorda> nice job
[19:54] <YoBoY> thanks, but I had help ;)
[20:05] <Ddorda> YoBoY: are the sources available somewhere?
[20:06] <Ddorda> so maybe we can use these materials too, we don't have many graphic editors
[20:24] <YoBoY> the sources of what ?
[20:25] <YoBoY> everything ? ^^"
[20:25] <YoBoY> Ddorda: ^
[20:26] <Ddorda> i guess
[20:26] <Ddorda> we'll use what we find relevant :P
[20:32] <YoBoY> Ddorda: i need to check the licences before, but sure, I can already give you what is "mine", my licence is simple, CC-SA, one minute
[20:36] <YoBoY> Ddorda: http://yoboy.fr/images/ufr_badge_cof_blanc_aubergine.svg http://yoboy.fr/images/ufr_badge_cof_blanc_orange.svg
[20:39] <Ddorda> thanks!
[21:56] <czajkowski> !lococouncil > czajkowski
[21:56] <ubot4`> czajkowski, please see my private message


[00:16] <akuma55> what is the command to del
[00:18] <andol> akuma55: To delete a file? rm
[00:18] <akuma55> yeah andol
[00:19] <LoveGuru> is there anyhelp with " grsecurity " or any tutorial which one can help me out with install/configuration. thanks.
[00:21] <akuma55> LoveGuru, is it like fwknop
[00:22] <LoveGuru> akuma55: sorry didn't know anythg about "fwknop" well grsecurity i believe is for secure kernel
[00:23] <akuma55> to secure it?
[00:23] <akuma55> or pen it
[00:23] <akuma55> ?
[00:25] <LoveGuru> secure it
[00:25] <akuma55> andol do you know?
[00:26] <andol> akuma55: Thought I already gave you the answer :) it is rm
[00:26] <akuma55> LoveGuru, ill try it if it work ill make a tut
[00:26] <andol> andol: rm filename
[00:26] <andol> hmm..not sure why I addressed that to myself :)
[00:26] <akuma55> oh sorry
[00:27] <akuma55> hehe
[00:28] <andol> akuma55: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/basic-commands/C/
[00:28] <LoveGuru> :/
[00:32] <Knifa> When I ssh into my 8.10 server, I see a little system information usage printout. How is that done?
[00:32] <Knifa> I looked in the ssh config and in pam.d but I couldn't find it at all.
[00:43] <ScottK> LoveGuru: I'm not familiar with grsecurity, but I'd recommend familiarizing yourself with the security measures already built into Ubuntu's kernel and the overall system before adding potentially incompatible 3rd party tools.
[00:45] <ScottK> LoveGuru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam has links to some of the relevant information.
[01:33] <LoveGuru> ScottK: thanks was not here :)
[05:06] <jmarsden> What is the package name in Intrepid that adds mod_security (for apache2) ?
[05:08] <ropetin> apt-cache search mod_security
[05:08] <ropetin> What does that give you?
[05:09] <jmarsden> Nothing, that's why I am asking :-)
[05:09] <ropetin> Hehhe, OK
[05:11] <jmarsden> Looks like it used to be called libapache2-mod-security in earlier releases, but... something seems to have changed in Intrepid
[05:11] <ropetin> Yeah, I couldn't find it at all
[05:12] <jmarsden> Google searches show howtos for older distro versions, none yet for Intrepid... hmm.  And it is not in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ by default, I checked there also.
[05:20] <kees> jmarsden: Debian (and Ubuntu) removed mod-security from the archives: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-security.html
[05:21] <kees> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313615
[05:21] <jmarsden> Ah, thanks.  Sad, but that explains it.
[05:21] <kees> yeah.  if the upstream could be convinced to relicense, that'd be nice.  :P
[05:24] <jmarsden> Hmm, apparently the Apache2 licence is officially GPLv3 comptible, but not GPLv2 compatible...
[05:26] <jmarsden> Upstream already fixed the license!  http://blog.modsecurity.org/2008/06/modsecurity-lic.html
[05:27] <jmarsden> I wonder how hard it would be for me to package it? :-)
[05:28] <kees> jmarsden: should be pretty easy -- just grab the old packaging.  :)  http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-security.html
[09:27] <chimp> When setting up a mail server (postfix), is there a way to have to accept emails for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  without $user existing on the system. I don't really want to clutter the server up with lots of users
[09:38] <lukehasnoname> bug #255368
[09:41] <lukehasnoname> So what's happening with this bug? Is the lib going to be added, or is ebox going to be modified to not depend on that lib?
[10:01] <jmarsden> chimp: Sure there is.  Virtual users are your friend.  Try man 5 virtual or read most guides on setting up Postfix
[10:06] <jmarsden> chimp: For lots of users, yu might want to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[10:10] <chimp> cheers
[10:13] <jmarsden> chimp: No problem
[10:18] <kraut> moin
[14:05] <Carroarmato0> Hi, I'm setting up a server using Quota's,  but when  entering the command  'quotacheck -avugm'   I get a message saying that although the kernel has support for journaled quota's, it's not enabled. How can I change that?
[15:03] <lucabecchetti> hi boys, i create a repository in /home/svn/repos and all work fine, form more computers i con checkout the repos, now i go to my webroot from console and in /var/www/proj i checkout a repository with users test, then i create a post-commit script, but i recevie this error, svn: Can't open file '/var/www/proj/.svn/lock': Permission denied, if i use sudo all it's ok, i use ubuntu server, some idea?????
[15:13] <lucabecchetti> ok, i delete all, now i have a repository correctly created, and i need to create a working copy in apache2 root
[15:13] <lucabecchetti> how can i do???
[15:23] <lucabecchetti> nobody can help me?
[15:27] <frith> i want to create an catch all alias, is this possible?
[15:27] <frith> *: user
[15:36] <arpu> hello
[15:36] <arpu> i do an update from 8.04 to 8.10 with sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:36] <arpu> at the beginning the programm say i have to start liloconf ?
[15:37] <arpu> i think i use grub but in the menu list now 8.10 kernel is shown
[15:37] <arpu> iam afraid to restart the server :-/
[15:38] <frith> arpu, well just install a bootloader to start with
[15:38] <frith> i would just put on grub
[15:38] <arpu> hi frith i think grub is installed from 8.04
[15:38] <frith> well it shouldn't simply vanish
[15:39] <frith> you might want to manually reinstall it if you are worried
[15:39] <arpu> how can i do this
[15:40] <frith> hmmm
[15:40] <frith> its more worrying you don't know how, its fair simple however
[15:41] <frith> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[15:42] <arpu> frith:  hmm but this is a simple update why this dies not work ?
[15:44] <arpu> i do an update-grub
[15:44] <arpu> i hope this works now ?
[15:44] <frith> did the dist upgrade work?
[15:45] <arpu> yes i do an do-release-upgrade
[15:46] <frith> well if you look in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[15:46] <frith> you will see some kernels
[15:46] <frith> make sure they exists
[15:46] <arpu> yes now after update-grub the new kernel is in there
[15:46] <frith> and it exists in /boot?
[15:46] <frith> i would manually rub grub
[15:47] <frith> if i was paranoid
[15:47] <frith> the problem is you don't sound too sure if you are using lilo or grub at boot time
[15:47] <arpu> i have no lilo in /boot
[15:51] <frith> dpkg -l | grep lilo
[15:51] <frith> arpu, lilo is in /etc
[15:51] <frith> /etc/lilo.conf
[15:51] <frith> iirc
[15:51] <arpu> ii  lilo                                  1:22.8-4ubuntu1               LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can loa
[15:51] <frith> ok so it is installed
[15:51] <frith> so someone has been playing
[15:52] <arpu> i have no lilo.conf
[15:52] <frith> like i said, to make yourself confident that it will reboot just run grub again
[15:53] <arpu> update-grub ?
[15:53] <frith> grub
[15:53] <frith> root (hd0)
[15:54] <frith> boot (hd0,1)
[15:54] <frith> depends how the system is configured
[15:55] <arpu> hmm my fstab lokks strange
[15:55] <arpu> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[15:55] <arpu> none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[15:55] <arpu> /dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0
[15:55] <arpu> /dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults,relatime 0 0
[15:55] <arpu> no UIDS ?
[16:02] <frith> do you have /dev/sda ?
[16:04] <arpu> yes sda  sda1  sda2
[16:05] <frith> you should be fine
[16:06] <frith> hmmm, what should i use for a webmail client?
[16:10] <arpu> boot (hd0,1)
[16:10] <arpu> Starting up ...
[16:10] <arpu> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting
[16:11] <NCommander> arpu, sounds like grub decided to go bleck
[16:12] <arpu> NCommander: sorry i do not understand
[16:12] <NCommander> arpu, it sounds like your grub configuration went and self-destructed
[16:13] <arpu> what can i do ?
[16:16] <NCommander> arpu, grab a Ubuntu server CD (or an Ubuntu Desktop alternate CD), type rescue at the prompt, then try to reinstall the bootloader
[16:16] <arpu> NCommander: this server is in an server house
[16:16] <arpu> i can not use a cd :D
[16:21] <arpu> anyone can hep ?
[16:50] <arpu> :-/
[17:02] <frith> arpu, i guess you didn't see if you could install grub?
[17:02] <arpu> i think it is installed
[17:03] <frith> so when the server starts up you get a grub boot menu? or press esc
[17:05] <arpu> i only have a remote ssh account
[17:05] <arpu> and i am afraid of reboot the server
[17:24] <Guest30588> installing ubuntu server 8.10 on new server. server won't boot off the main SCSI hardrive. GRUB says that the device does not exist by UUID.
[17:26] <david_trebacz> i have reinstalled from the CD several times and reformated pertions. Each time I get stuck at this point.
[17:28] <david_trebacz> new to IRC -I'm aslo guest30588 -sorry
[17:30] <david_trebacz> My system is using and Adaptec onboard SCSI controller AIC-7902, but I'm not trying to do anything with redundant disks at this point. Just get a booted ubuntu server system.
[17:36] <david_trebacz> Actual error message by grub is: Gave up on waiting for root device. ALERT! dev/disk/by-uuid/ disk ID here does not exist. Dropping to shell. I'm now sitting at a busybox shell prompt.
[17:37] <arpu> david_trebacz: maybe i have the same problem
[17:37] <ssd7> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/278176
[17:38] <ssd7> i think that is the same problem too
[17:40] <ssd7> there seem to be some work arounds in there
[17:41] <ssd7> about using rootdelay= as a boot option
[17:41] <david_trebacz> Brilliant! by typing exit the server did boot allow it to boot. At least now I have an operating system.
[17:41] <jmarsden> david_trebacz: If you wait a couple of minutes and then type     exit    at the ... good :-)
[17:42] <david_trebacz> I'll read the bug report further to see if I can contrbute more information -thanks!
[17:49] <ScottK> david_trebacz: See http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#Boot%20failures%20on%20systems%20with%20Intel%20D945%20motherboards
[19:20] <yann2> ahm, i got a openssh-server: cant be installed because of a dependancy...  openssh-client 1.4.7p1.8ubuntu1 (openssh-client 1/4/7p1.8ubuntu2 is to be installed)
[19:20] <yann2> but no  1.4.7p1.8ubuntu2 in main...
[19:21] <yann2> (ubuntu hardy x86 freshly installed)
[19:22] <yann2> works by removing openssh-client and then install openssh-server again.. but is definitely broken by default.. never seen this bug before :(
[19:23] <ScottK> You should be installing 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2 for Hardy.
[19:24] <ScottK> yann2: That one is in both hardy-security and hardy-updates.
[19:24] <ScottK> yann2: I'd suggest checking to make sure you have the security updates repository enabled.
[19:24] <yann2> oh -updates and -security, that must be what i am missing
[19:24] <yann2> sorry for the noise
[19:24] <ScottK> yann2: No problem.  You do want those.
[22:05] <frith> hi i am looking for mod-security for apache
[23:59] <XiXaQ> I'm going to setup an ldap/nfs system for centralized users. The guides I read all mention the use of automount. Is there any disadvantage to having /home mounted from nfs all the time?


[15:50] <wonko> So I just installed studio 19.04. I was running 18.04 that was vanilla ubuntu "upgraded" to studio with all the kxstudio junk. I'm trying to go more proper ubtuntu studio this time so I'm using Patchage and the studio controls, etc...
[15:50] <wonko> My previous setup was a mess, but it worked the way I wanted it to
[15:50] <wonko> my current issues are I can't get my MIDI control surface to connecct to Ardour in Patchage
[15:51] <wonko> and I'm curious as to what is the correct way to connect the mic from my webcam into jack
[15:51] <wonko> I was doing this before: alsa_in -j WebCam -d hw:C920 -q 1 -r 32000 2>&1 1> /dev/null &
[15:51] <wonko> and I'm curious if that's still a reasonable way to do things
[15:52] <OvenWerks> in ubuntustudio-controls...
[15:52] <OvenWerks> you want both bridge check boxes checked
[15:52] <wonko> They are, yes
[15:53] <OvenWerks> you should see your webcam mic in patchage already then
[15:53] <OvenWerks> your midi control surface should show on the a2j ports
[15:54] <wonko> I don't though. I have PulseIn, PulseOut, the two system ones, Ardour and the midi stuff
[15:54] <OvenWerks> Assuming jack is running of course
[15:54] <wonko> the midi devices are there
[15:54] <wonko> I just can't wire it to Ardour
[15:54] <wonko> it never makes the link
[15:55] <wonko> https://imgur.com/KUr33gD.png
[15:55] <wonko> That's what it looks like now
[15:56] <OvenWerks> what does the controls look like?
[15:56] <wonko> https://imgur.com/ftz0GMu.png
[15:57] <OvenWerks> wow I didn't think we had changed controls so much since 19.04
[15:58] <wonko> never used it before so no idea here. :)
[15:58] <wonko> so the USB webcam shows up in the drop down for USB device that should be master, but I don't want that.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> no, that would be bad
[15:59] <OvenWerks> you may want to add this PPA to keep the Studio specific apps up to date: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+recipe/ubuntustudio-controls-backport
[16:00] <OvenWerks> Why are you using 192000 sample rate?
[16:00] <wonko> Is that needed for 19.04? The way I read the release notes that was only for 18.04
[16:00] <wonko> it's what the mk2 supports. :)
[16:01] <OvenWerks> 48k is as good as your ears ever get (well not that even)
[16:01] <OvenWerks> 192000 uses 4 times as much disk space 4 times as much cpu and you get nothing in return
[16:02] <mrz80> *bingo* THAT was the packaage I forgot!  ubuntu-studio-controls !  Thanks for the reminder.  Just ditched my chromebook in favor of a backlevel Macbook Pro, much more of a going concern as a portable studio machine!
[16:02] <wonko> I'll change that then I guess.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> your webcam mic likely only supports 48k but may (if you are lucky) also support 44k1
[16:02] <wonko> but, I still need my MIDI and mic working. :)
[16:02] <wonko> I think it only supports 32k
[16:03] <wonko> it's going to be replaced with a proper mic hooked up to the komplete audio 6
[16:03] <wonko> so it's just a stop gap until I get to that
[16:03] <OvenWerks> most usb mics at least support 48k because that is the MS standard
[16:04] <wonko> Hmm, I seem to remember having to run it at 32k for some reason
[16:04] <wonko> anyway, that wouldn't affect it showing up in Patchage though, right?
[16:04] <OvenWerks> yes it would
[16:05] <OvenWerks> the newer -controls from the backports PPA should be more forgiving
[16:06] <wonko> Still doesn't show up though
[16:06] <jubo2> Hello. Would people recommend 18.04 or 19.04 ?
[16:07] <OvenWerks> wonko: could you in a terminal type: cat ~/.log/autojack.log |pastebinit
[16:07] <OvenWerks> wonko: and give me the url that pops up?
[16:07] <wonko> cat: /home/wonko/.log/autojack.log: No such file or directory
[16:08] <OvenWerks> in controls did you hit the start jack button?
[16:09] <wonko> many, many, many times. :)
[16:11] <OvenWerks> well I wouldf start by installing the newer -controls.
[16:11] <wonko> one sec, doing that now
[16:11] <wonko> :)
[16:12] <wonko> way more options. :)
[16:13] <OvenWerks> also in a terminal type this all as one line:
[16:13] <OvenWerks> cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh |pastebinit
[16:13] <OvenWerks> And pass me the url
[16:14] <wonko> ah ha, I get a2j devices in patchage now
[16:14] <OvenWerks> how about your webcam mic
[16:14] <wonko> still no webcam mic though
[16:15] <wonko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SbWpDcBKt9/
[16:15] <wonko> that's autjack.log
[16:15] <wonko> Can't open ALSA capture device 'hw:C920,0,0'.
[16:16] <wonko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y68cm888Zz/
[16:16] <wonko> that's the script output
[16:18] <OvenWerks> try: cat /proc/asound/C920/stream0 |pastebinit
[16:20] <wonko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gPNtTdgn4k/
[16:22] <OvenWerks> Oh my... ok I would try in a terminal: zita-a2j -d hw:C920,0,0 -r 32000 &
[16:24] <OvenWerks> Does that error out or do you get sync messages?
[16:24] <wonko> that gets me a zita-a2j device in patchage
[16:24] <wonko> Starting synchronisation.
[16:24] <OvenWerks> That is your mic
[16:26] <wonko> ok, so that's all the current issues sorted, so thank you very much for that
[16:26] <wonko> now I have more questions. :)
[16:26] <OvenWerks> It appears controls was trying to start it at 16000
[16:26] <wonko> a) can I get zita-a2j to start automatically with controls?
[16:26] <wonko> b) how do I save my Patchage wiring? Every time I restart jack it resets.
[16:28] <wonko> or for b should I just use Carla?
[16:28] <OvenWerks> carla works better I have heard.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> A) it should have just worked as is... I am not sure why it doesn't
[16:29] <jubo2> Ubuntu Studio.... do I want 18.04 or 19.04? Kubuntu 19.04 did not feel as stable as 18.04.3
[16:33] <OvenWerks> wonko: does ubuntu-bug ubuntustudio-controls work? or does it say it is not in the repos?
[16:33] <OvenWerks> jubo2: how do you plan to install STudio? on top of kubuntu? or with the ubuntustudio iso?
[16:34] <OvenWerks> wonko: if it allows you to file a big please do. Title it "Web cam mic doesn't bridge"
[16:36] <jubo2> OvenWerks: Oh I can install it as a repo? Where are the instructions I kinda managed to mess up my Kubuntu setup and of course did not set Timeshift to make a backup before messing it up
[16:36] <jubo2> OvenWerks: I have 100GB free on disk and a separate /home partition, so I can install it alongside Kubuntu
[16:37] <OvenWerks> jubo2: install kubuntu first. add ppa: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+recipe/ubuntustudio-controls-backport and then sudo atp install ubuntustudio-installer
[16:38] <wonko> Also, I realized I don't care about A as I'll be replacing that with a proper mic connected to the komplete audio. :)
[16:39] <wonko> OvenWerks: No. cannot be reported, not an official ubuntu package
[16:39] <wonko> also, thanks so much for all your help
[16:40] <OvenWerks> I will try reporting it then. If you are still around once I get it in, you could click on this affects me too
[16:46] <wonko> Ok, Carla is *vastly* better than Patchage
[16:46] <wonko> but I still can't get it to save all my routing changes
[16:46] <wonko> if I restart jack it all goes back to default
[16:53] <OvenWerks> wonko: if you have a launchpad account you could hit the "This bug affects you" link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/1843926
[16:54] <OvenWerks> wonko: so you need some sort of session manager
[16:55] <wonko> Yeah, I was using Claudia for that
[16:55] <wonko> but I'm trying to avoid the KX stuff
[16:56] <wonko> I added myself to affects me too
[16:56] <OvenWerks> Thank you
[16:57] <wonko> no, thank *you*
[16:57] <OvenWerks> the kxstudio stuff can interfere with controls
[16:57] <OvenWerks> in particular cadence
[16:58] <wonko> yeah, I forget where but someone said to avoid it because of that
[16:58] <OvenWerks> I think Eickmeyer[m] has added raysession to the repos
[16:58] <wonko> so that's the plan. :)
[16:59] <OvenWerks> but raysession does not seem to be in our PPA so I am not sure if it will show up before 19.10
[17:01] <wonko> I'm ok with getting it and manually installing it or even building it if I have to. Where would I find it?
[17:04] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/raysession
[17:05] <wonko> I stumbled into that myself
[17:05] <wonko> got the master branch
[17:05] <wonko> let's get to building. :)
[17:05] <OvenWerks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/raysession/+git/raysession/+ref/master has the dl link
[17:06] <OvenWerks> it is definately set for 19.10, but should be in the backports for 19.04... Eickmeyer[m] why isn't it? or is it not released yet?
[17:09] <wonko> lrelease: could not exec '/usr/lib/qt5/bin/lrelease': No such file or directory
[17:09] <wonko> thoughts?
[17:09] <wonko> I'm not sure what package I need for that
[17:12] <OvenWerks> https://git.launchpad.net/raysession/tree/debian/control
[17:12] <OvenWerks> look at the build depends
[17:12] <OvenWerks> lines 6 to 10
[17:12] <wonko> oh i bet it's the qt4-liguistic-tools because I don't think I got that one
[17:13] <wonko> hmm, that didn't actually work. :(
[17:14] <OvenWerks> best to ask Eickmeyer[m] when he is around as he is the packager
[17:15] <wonko> Ok, I'm not in a rush to solve this so I'll wait for him. :)
[17:16] <OvenWerks> we have mentioned his nick enough times... I am sure he will say something when he is here.
[17:16] <wonko> heh
[18:13] <jubo2> Searching for Ubuntu Studio repos, seems to bring up only a backports repo
[18:15] <jubo2> plus the pulseaudio bridge does not seem to be on by default in the 19.04 live image
[18:16] <OvenWerks> jubo2: most of the stuff for studio is in the main ubuntu repos
[18:16]  * jubo2 wonders when the jackd2 could have multiple sound cards in the patchbay
[18:16] <OvenWerks> there are just a few changes in ubuntustudio-installer and ubuntustudio-controls
[18:17] <OvenWerks> jubo2: it is unlikely that jackd will ever support more than one card at a time without extra progems like zita-aj bridge
[18:19] <OvenWerks> jackd is made for bit perfect, lowlatency audio. two audio cards with different clocks do not fit in that kind of opperation
[18:20] <jubo2> Oh ok, thanks OvenWerks
[18:20] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio specifically provides bridging extra audio devices into jack for use by jack
[18:20] <jubo2> OvenWerks: and I can install it to a Kubuntu?
[18:21] <OvenWerks> yes, I have done that here and it seems to work well. I am planning to do that here when the next LTS comes out.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> (20.04)
[18:22] <jubo2> Yeah, April of even years
[18:22] <OvenWerks> I install to many extra packages for development to switch every 6 months
[18:26] <wonko> If I hadn't of blown up my OS I would still be on 18.04. ;)
[18:28] <jubo2> I'm wondering if using used hardware is making sense for wellbeing
[18:29] <jubo2> but now is a bad time to buy, because Thunderbolt 3 models have just come out and cost tons
[18:30] <jubo2> Thunderbolt has power, daisychaining and 40Gbps bandwidth, so you can pop in displays and storage and whatnot
[18:32] <wonko> Thunderbolt is nice but it's a bit annoying that you can't just pop a thunderbolt card into a machine ago get thunderbolt. If your motherboard doesn't have the thunderbolt headers forget it.  Not bitter or anything. :)
[18:32] <jubo2> I'm using laptops
[18:33] <wonko> Less of an issue there because you have it or you don't. Can't really add it. 😁
[18:36]  * OvenWerks uses an old delta66 PCI audio card... and has no wish to change
[18:50] <wonko> I had some piece of junk usb soundblaster thing. Replaced it with this Komplete Audio 6 Mk2 and couldn't be happier.
[18:51] <wonko> It cost like 10x as much so it has to be better, right? :-D
[18:55] <OvenWerks> The last three USB audio devices I bought were between $0.80 and $4.00, I think the delta was $500-ish back when I bought it. To buy any PCIe audio devices now are $1k-ish
[19:05] <OvenWerks> The three cheap USB devices were for testing and development.
[19:06] <wonko> OvenWerks: That's crazy town prices
[19:13] <OvenWerks> less than $1 is great when you don't care about the sound too much and just want to see how it connects.
[19:15] <wonko> I was talking about the PCIe devices. :)
[19:15] <OvenWerks> These have a single mic input and phones output (or computer speakers) all 1/8 jacks.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Well with the PCIe devices, almost nobody makes them because the general semi-pro market is all USB
[19:16] <OvenWerks> so the ones I can find are not cheap.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> Most are made for the broadcast market
[19:17] <OvenWerks> The recording market seems to be going dante... which is even more expensive
[19:17] <wonko> I'm assuming they cram them full of inputs and outputs too?
[19:18] <OvenWerks> between 2 and 16 IO
[19:18] <wonko> I'm guessing 16 would be shitty over usb no matter how good your devices is
[19:18] <OvenWerks> even a two IO PCIe card tends to be over $500
[19:19] <OvenWerks> I have heard good things about the X32 with 32io and lots of USB devices are 18 - 24.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> USB 2.0 can handle it just fine so long as the computer is built right and set up right.
[19:20] <wonko> huh, interesting
[19:20] <wonko> I would have expected usb to have latency issues
[19:20] <OvenWerks> the USB devices do not go as low latency as the PCI devices do
[19:21] <OvenWerks> USB minimum latency is determined by the USB clock at 1ms which means minimum 3ms.
[19:21] <OvenWerks> with PCI I can get .7ms pretty easy
[19:21] <OvenWerks> anything less than 10ms is workable though
[19:23] <OvenWerks> It depends on what you are using it for. Live use like computer as a synth or guitar effect needs low latency
[19:23] <OvenWerks> but recording with a good daw can have a lot higher because the Daw compensates
[19:25] <OvenWerks> 21ms for recording is no problem with proper monitoring
[19:28] <OvenWerks> By the way, my reasoning behind using 48000 sample rate rather than higher can be summed up here: https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
[19:29] <OvenWerks> This video: https://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml
[19:31] <OvenWerks> wonko: this video ^^ is very good at showing (using analog measuring equipment) why a sample rate any higher than 48000 does not help and may be harmful.
[19:31] <wonko> I'll definitely be giving that a read, thanks!


[23:25] <flakeparadigm> I'm running jaunty with kde3 installed and I have an xrandr command that runs when I login to fix the screen brightness on my laptop. Unfortunately, the xrandr command only works in gnome. Is there a way around this? (command: xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native)
[23:25] <VCoolio> mdm: yeah I stumbled upon something like that, veeery difficult it seems; I'll do with current for the time being
[23:25] <ruler> how to install c and java programming
[23:25] <LjL> bratline: don't spam
[23:26] <mib_bmu46kso> Jun  4 11:10:01 davidx-desktop CRON[19608]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
[23:26] <mib_bmu46kso> Jun  4 11:10:01 davidx-desktop CRON[19608]: pam_unix(cron: session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
[23:26] <mib_bmu46kso> i have some stuff like this in my auth.log
[23:26] <ruler> how to install and use c programming
[23:27] <mib_bmu46kso> does it mean an intruder log on?
[23:27] <mib_bmu46kso> Jun  4 11:10:01 davidx-desktop CRON[19608]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
[23:27] <mib_bmu46kso> Jun  4 11:10:01 davidx-desktop CRON[19608]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
[23:27] <mib_bmu46kso> Jun  4 11:30:01 davidx-desktop CRON[20112]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
[23:27] <ruler> how to install and use c programming
[23:27] <mib_bmu46kso> what does the pam_unix and cron session stand for?
[23:27] <ralmar> OFFTOPIC: Anyone know if the NBA finals are going to be available for live streaming on abc.com, or is it going to be on TV only? Any other good place to watch it online? Thanks
[23:28] <mib_bmu46kso> im the only user... is it another user in my machine...
[23:28] <mib_bmu46kso> i also have more than one uid in my auth.log
[23:28] <tux> Hi to all
[23:28] <mdm> ruler do you mean compiler? or do you mean development environment?
[23:29] <DanDan> hello .. can someone tell the command for knowing how much RAM i have ?
[23:29] <ceej> hey all, if my system is 64bit with 8gb ram can I use ubuntu 32bit and have it see my 8gb ram?
[23:29] <ceej> so much stuff doesn't work with 64bit
[23:29] <mdm> DanDan: cat /proc/meminfo
[23:30] <sebsebseb> ceej: no
[23:30] <sebsebseb> ceej: well maybe
[23:30] <cherva> DanDan: free -m <this is in megebytes>
[23:30] <unop> mib_bmu46kso, that's just indication that a cronjob is being run as root and that PAM has authenticated root's logon.
[23:30] <Fohn> ceej: I haven't noticed anything not functioning under 64bit, however you will not be able to use your 8gigs of ram with a 32-bit machine.
[23:30] <waltm> hatter243, similar error but with "update-binfmts: warning: /var/lib/binfmts/pthon2.6 does not exist: nothing to do!"
[23:30] <mib_bmu46kso> unop: PAM?
[23:30] <mib_bmu46kso> unop: is that an user?
[23:31] <mib_bmu46kso> unop: Cause i haven't created any
[23:31] <mdm> Pluggable Authentication Module
[23:31] <ruler> how to install c progamming
[23:31] <hatter243> waltm, =/
[23:31] <unop> mib_bmu46kso, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_Authentication_Modules
[23:31] <shyam_k> ruler: apt-get install gcc
[23:31] <Wipster> hey all having a bit of a hard tie trying to develop for the new notify-osd, I am trying to compile the example code but it keeps saying cant find linnotify, isn;t that the old one?
[23:31] <Wipster> *libnotify
[23:31] <DanDan> mdm : .. where it says how much RAM I have .. I'm a newbie .. I can't really understand the ouptput of that command
[23:32] <ceej> Fohn: what about doing http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-use-more-than-3gb-ram-on-32-bit-ubuntu.html
[23:32] <mib_bmu46kso> unop: Thanks man
[23:32] <flakeparadigm> I'm running jaunty with kde3 installed and I have an xrandr command that runs when I login to fix the screen brightness on my laptop. Unfortunately, the xrandr command only works in gnome. Is there a way around this? (command: xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native) Perhaps a way to put it in the xorg.conf?
[23:32] <milen2> hello guys
[23:32] <waltm> hatter243, thanks for trying, I'll try asking again in a few ;)
[23:32] <milen2> does anyone know how to change the (menus) icon for connecting psp ?
[23:32] <hatter243> waltm, good luck!
[23:32] <milen2> by default an ipod icon appears..
[23:33] <mdm> DanDan: assuming you mean physical its the first line, if you want to know total of the memory its VmallocTotal thats both swap and physical
[23:34] <Fohn> ceej: I wouldn't recommend doing that, you're not likely to see any actual performance boost, even if the server kernel does allow you to see the RAM.
[23:34] <bkt5401> I am trying to uninstall nvidia-glx-new and i'm getting dpkg errors. http://dpaste.com/51637/   any ideas?
[23:34] <Lyth> The trashbin, as well as the time and date has moved it self to the center of the bar on  the top of the screen. What can I do?
[23:34] <ed_debian> bkt5401, Be specific
[23:35] <phoenix1> hello can someone help me install the sharpfonts? thanks
[23:35] <bkt5401> ed_debian, What information is missing?
[23:35] <ed_debian> Lyth you can re-arrange the panels all you want!1 Right click on things and "unlock" them then right click and hit move
[23:35] <ed_debian> bkt5401, What are the errors?
[23:35] <brennus> ok, so I just downloaded the tupac discography in mp3 form. Rythmbox doesn't recognize it. When I click the file, it plays with Totem Move Player instead or Rythmbox. When I try to make the mp3s open in rythmbox, rythmbox still doesn't recognize the file, and refuses to play it, instead playing whatever is on the list. Help?
[23:35] <graelin> Lyth: right click and uncheck lock to panel.. right click again and move then move it where you want it.. again right click and lock to panel again
[23:35] <bkt5401> ed_debian, nvidia-glx-new is intalled and apt / synaptic fail to do anything because it can't be uninstalled.  I paste binned the errors. http://dpaste.com/51637/
[23:36] <bastidrazor> !mp3 > brennus
[23:36] <DanDan> mdm : whats Mem and whats Swap .. if you dont mind
[23:36] <bratline> http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538
[23:36] <bratline> http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538
[23:36] <billybigrigger> does anyone know why i get a no such file or directory with this command? scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /var/www/www.tgz
[23:36] <Lint01> pirates...
[23:36] <Lyth> Ubuntu is constantly freezing and logging out after a while
[23:36] <billybigrigger> im trying to scp a tar from my system to my server
[23:36] <sebsebseb> !swap | DanDan
[23:36] <bkt5401> billybigrigger,  is that file name correct?
[23:36] <bratline> http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538
[23:36] <bratline> http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538
[23:36] <arand> ed_debian: bkt5401 did pastebin the errors...
[23:36] <shyam_k> ruler: please no pms.. if you have a single c file say a helloworld.c you can do "gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld.o" to compile it and you can run helloworld.o to execute it
[23:37] <DanDan> sebsebseb : 1004112 kB equals how many GB :P ?
[23:37] <billybigrigger> bkt5401::: yes, the file is on my system "alixandra" and im trying to put it on my server "cabo"
[23:37] <ed_debian> bkt5401, That is a strange error.  What happens if you mark that pacakge for reinstallation in synaptic?
[23:37] <bratline> http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538   http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538   http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538   http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538
[23:37] <waltm> bkt5401, I'm just curious, do you have python2.6-minimal installed in synaptic?  I'm trying to fix a similar error I traced back to that package.
[23:37] <sebsebseb> DanDan: don't know
[23:37] <bkt5401> ed_debian, it can't uninstall. i get exit code 2
[23:37] <ed_debian> bkt5401, REinstall
[23:37] <bratline> http://mein-erstes-mal.net/?id=2052538
[23:38] <bkt5401> ed_debian, checking now
[23:38] <bastidrazor> billybigrigger, you're going the wrong way.. put the file you want copied first then the location 2nd
[23:38] <leandroal> is there a better choice than NFS, considering that windows/linux machines will mount the remote filesystem being shared (by NFS?)?
[23:38] <mdm> DanDan: the box uses memory and disk space together.  It has swap space to page out non used memory.  MemTotal is physical, if you see MemFree low it means your box is running out of memory,  It shoud normally cache and swap out memory, unless you have so much it does not matter
[23:38] <bastidrazor> billybigrigger, are you on the box that has the file? .. plus you won't  put the filename on the destination you'll just put the directory
[23:39] <grkblood13> if i have x86 architecutre for do i force installed thing from package installer that are i386, like flash from the adobe site
[23:39] <helper> !cat | helper
[23:39] <mdm> DanDan: err more like not used recently memory
[23:39] <brennus> ok, so I just downloaded the tupac discography in mp3 form. Rythmbox doesn't recognize it. When I click the file, it plays with Totem Move Player instead or Rythmbox. When I try to make the mp3s open in rythmbox, rythmbox still doesn't recognize the file, and refuses to play it, instead playing whatever is on the list. I have the Ubuntu Restricted Extras package installed, and can play other mp3s fine.
[23:39] <arand> bkt5401: you could try some --force paramwter I think...
[23:39] <mdm> !memory
[23:39] <bkt5401> ed_debian, reinstall works. Uninstall still does not.
[23:39] <Matson> apt-get install libssl-dev  on jaunty gives 2 errors: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8g-14ubuntu1) but 0.9.8g-15ubuntu3 is to be installed  (+1 more)   how do I fix this?
[23:39] <Gourlis> there is 9.09 version of ubuntu out there ?
[23:40] <coz_> Gourlis,  no there isnt  why?
[23:40] <flakeparadigm> Is there a way to put something like "BRIGHTNESS_CONTROL" from xrandr in the xorg.conf?
[23:40] <ed_debian> bkt5401, The package what happens if you go to that place and put a blank file there with the same name?  Maybe just that one file is out of line.  Bottom line though the package manager is messed up and you should file a bug cause this is a big deal.
[23:40] <geirha> Gourlis: 9.04 is the latest, 9.10 is in the making
[23:40] <coz_> Gourlis,   however 9.10 is being worked on
[23:40] <fennng> How can I know which program is using my sound card!
[23:40] <Gourlis> coz_, ok nevermind.  Can anyone help me with a webcam? I've been working on it for several days now, and I finally have the drivers installed. It's still not working though
[23:41] <Gourlis> coz_, yeah i know
[23:41] <coz_> cool
[23:41] <geirha> helper: cat file1 file2 > file3
[23:42] <Gourlis> arand, i'll can use it with ATI Radeon ? :D
[23:42] <brennus> broken: reboot?
[23:42] <Gourlis> coz_, I use 8.10, the only one which works just fine for me, but I loved 9.04 because of speed.
[23:43] <coz_> Gourlis,  oh ok   well  you use what works  and what you need :)
[23:43] <Matson> wtf  libssl is no longer in jaunty
[23:43] <geirha> helper: Or, if you want to append file2 to file1, then (note double >> is append, > is overwrite): cat file2 >> file1
[23:43] <Matson> where is it now?
[23:43] <broken> brennus: Thanks for the suggestion, but I've already tried it.
[23:43] <jorgerosa> hi
[23:43] <grkblood13> hwo do i isntall flash on an x86 machine?
[23:43] <bkt5401> ed_debian, aha!  This is 64 bit ubuntu and the package contains references to files in /usr/lib32 (which does not exist)
[23:43] <Gourlis> coz_, wb
[23:43] <ed_debian> bkt5401, AWesome!  (That is still a bug)
[23:44] <arand> Gourlis: Not sure, ask in #ubuntu+1, surf launchpad for kk-specifics, etc. I'm on nvidia, working fine.
[23:44] <bkt5401> ed_debian, why it installed a 32bit pkg is beyond me at the moment.
[23:44] <helper> geirha, aha sorry but what << this use for echo i always see like echo << for what ?
[23:44] <ed_debian> yeah
[23:44] <shyam_k> ruler: avoid private messaging please.. ask in this channel.. so other interested people can also ask/learn and i can help you better too..
[23:44] <jdu> grkblood13, go to adobe.com and download the .deb file there
[23:44] <grkblood13> they only have i386
[23:44] <grkblood13> i got it though
[23:44] <shyam_k> ruler: in a terminal you can use the gcc command
[23:44] <grkblood13> no worries
[23:44] <grkblood13> --force-architecture
[23:44] <jdu> grkblood13, same thing
[23:44] <waltm> I have a broken package, python2.6-minimal, that is causing problems and I can't uninstall it through synaptic or apt-get.  It just returns errors.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/188619/     Is there another way to get rid of it?
[23:45] <geirha> helper: Hm? Could you paste an example at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[23:45] <Matson> so it appears in jaunty that libssl is now openssl
[23:45] <arand> grkblood13: afaik, flashplugin-installer in the repos does pretty much the same...
[23:45] <Matson> and there is a libssl-dev - but it does not match the ssl version in openssl
[23:46] <Mow> is there some kind of screen recorder specilized for ubuntu and can I edit the video pretty easley? or does camtasia work?
[23:46] <graelin> Matson: Do you have the unsupported repos in it? libssl is proprietary and won't be in the default repos.... thats why openssl is there
[23:46] <helper> geirha, like this : echo ./count <  ./count
[23:47] <helper> geirha, does this overwrite
[23:47] <Matson> graelin: checking...  thanks
[23:47] <Scunizi> Mow: recordmydesktop-gtk
[23:47] <erUSUL> !info istambul
[23:47] <geirha> helper: that doesn't make sense. You're sending the content of ./count to echo's stdin, but echo doesn't do anything with stdin.
[23:48] <Mow> thats a application that comes with ubuntu already installed correct?
[23:48] <helper> geirha, sorry mean echo ./count < ./count1
[23:48] <Scunizi> Mow: no.. you have to install it from Synaptic Package manager
[23:48] <helper> geirha, okie
[23:48] <Mow> Scunizi, thanks
[23:48] <geirha> helper: Still doesn't make sense. What is it supposed to do?
[23:49] <Scunizi> Mow: np.. it's actually recordmydesktop or gtk-recordmydesktop
[23:49] <graelin> Matson: My bad... was thinking different package: libssl and libcrypto development libraries, header files and manpages.
[23:49] <graelin> It is part of the OpenSSL implementation of SSL.
[23:49] <flakeparadigm> Is there something I can put in the xorg.conf that would be the equivalent of xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native?
[23:49] <helper> geirha, it doesn't but i usually see it on sites so i was like to know =) seems nothing
[23:49] <Mow> Scunizi: recordmydesktop
[23:49] <Scunizi> they are both listed Mow
[23:50] <helper> geirha, so the usefull is > and >> and about cat < ./count it run count shell right ?
[23:50] <geirha> helper: It's common to do stuff like "echo something > file" and "echo something >> file"
[23:50] <helper> geirha, okie thx
[23:50] <Pixels> i deleted a file by accident. how can I get it back in Ubuntu 9.04?
[23:50] <Mow> Scunizi: there the same thing arnt they?
[23:50] <sebsebseb> Pixels: you can't easilly if at all really
[23:50] <geirha> helper: If you want to run a script called count, do "./count"
[23:50] <arand> erUSUL: Mow: istanbul is the name of another possible app.
[23:50] <Pixels> sebastien: so there is a way?
[23:51] <helper> geirha, okie :)
[23:51] <Scunizi> Mow: should be.. but if you're running gnome then I think the recommended install is the gtk version..
[23:51] <sebsebseb> !recover | Pixels
[23:51] <graelin> Pixels: Open the trash and restore it.. if its not there.. it's history
[23:51] <sebsebseb> Pixels: I seem to be good at factoid guessing :)
[23:51] <Pixels> graelin: trash is emptied
[23:52] <mdm> tar is the undelete command
[23:52] <Mow> I just need a simple video recorder and a program to edit it with
[23:52] <Scunizi> mdm: ?? tar is like zip sort of
[23:53] <Pixels> that link you gave says:..Deleted or lost files can usually be recovered from failed or formatted drives and partitions, CD-ROMs and memory cards using the free/libre software available in the Ubuntu repositories. The data is recoverable because the information is not immediately removed from the disk.
[23:53] <Scunizi> Mow: easy enough to try one then the other if needed
[23:53] <mdm> tar is an archiver, when I said that I was impling the only real way to undelete anything is to restore it
[23:53] <Pixels> graelin:  so its not history
[23:53] <sebsebseb> Pixels: yep as long as it's not been overwritten
[23:54] <Pixels> sebastien: thats good news, so I can recover my deleted file that has been emptied from trash :)
[23:54] <sebsebseb> Pixels: maybe yeah
[23:54] <Mow> alright I downloaded them but I cant find them now
[23:54] <mdm> Pixels: what file system is it on?
[23:54] <Pixels> mdm: i thik i have ext3. how can I be sure?
[23:55] <sebsebseb> Pixels: you will have Ext3 by default
[23:55] <mdm> mount
[23:55] <Mow> nvm found thanks
[23:55] <Pixels> mdm: type ext3
[23:55] <sebsebseb> !ext3 | Pixels
[23:55] <Pixels> mdm: is that good or bad? lol
[23:55] <Scunizi> Mow: editing is a little different.. not sure what format the recorder puts it in.. however there are several options to edit. Kdenlives, LiVeS! (on www.getdeb.net), pitivi, kino etc
[23:56] <mdm> you can hope and prey the inode is still intact and use e2undelete on it.  I wouldnt put much faith in it finding anything usefull however
[23:56] <Matson> graelin: still struggling with this
[23:56] <deever> in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to define a bridge without bridge_ports?
[23:56] <Matson> where are the libssl dev support?
[23:56] <Pixels> mdm: so what happens when a file is deleted and removed from trash? its overwritten automatically?
[23:57] <sebsebseb> Pixels: no
[23:57] <mdm> Pixels: no the inodes are unlinked
[23:57] <Matson> pkg-config --print-errors "openssl"   - says openssl is not installed, but it is!
[23:57] <sebsebseb> Pixels: it just dosan't have a reference or whatever on the disk
[23:57] <sebsebseb> Pixels: then later on will get overwritten probably
[23:57] <Mow> .ogv I think
[23:57] <Matson> all the solutions on forums keep saying to install libssl-dev
[23:57] <Pixels> i installed ubuntu using alternative install and chose to encrypt the file system... does that mean not even ascii editors can see anything of value on the entire ubuntu partition?
[23:58] <Pixels> sebsebseb: ok sounds like I can kiss the file goodbye
[23:58] <sebsebseb> Pixels: you can even delete a  Ubuntu/Linux Ext3 partition, and then use a Windows program to gain access to the deleted partition and get hold of data,  that's what I did one time
[23:58] <mdm> Pixels: if you just now deleted them shut down the box immediatly, boot to cd, download e2undelte and compile it,  then prey it finds something.  Most likly it wont and the file system already used those freed inodes
[23:58] <Scunizi> Pixels: encryption is "scramble" needing a key to unscramble
[23:58] <Pixels> mdm: I deleted the file about 30 mins ago :P  thats why I now believe its gone.. been since using firefox and even downloaded a file
[23:59] <Pixels> Scunizi: does that mean not even ascii editors can see anything of value on the entire ubuntu partition?
[23:59] <sebsebseb> Pixels: it will still be there probably, just  no  reference or whatever on the disk for it
[23:59] <mdm> Pixels: like I said stop using it immedialy, boot to cd, hope its still there and use e2undelete
[23:59] <AakashPatel> does emchain armel work on ubuntu?
[23:59] <Pixels> mdm: yeah, thanks. brb
[23:59] <Scunizi> Pixels: if the whole partition is encrypted.. no.. an ascii editor might see something but it won't mean anything.


[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79016 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Wrong resolution with an nvidia GeForceGo 7300" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79016
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79017 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Wrong resolution with an nvidia GeForceGo 7300" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79017
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79032 in libx11 (main) "OpenOffice can't open files with russian characters in a name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79032
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79071 in xorg-server (main) "xserver-xorg-core update breaks Nvidia glx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79071