[04:01] <stang> I'm learning like you... one of these other guys will have your answer though... just get their attention
[04:01] <stang> No, I think your resolution is fine
[04:01] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  so 1 segment per 4M, rather than 1 segment per allocation (a bad alternative to the current design) or 1 giant heap per everything in the universe (the horrid current design)
[04:02] <DakPowers> Anyone else ever have resolution problems?
[04:02] <DakPowers> Thanks, though, stang :)
[04:02] <stang> Not a problem... it was worth a shot :-)
[04:02] <shank_> bluefoxicy, you actually discussed this with anyone that has a clue? instead of #ubuntu?
[04:02] <stephen_> Should i upgrade the defualt Ubuntu Firefox to the latest?
[04:02] <PacoBCN> Absenth, so I will probably wait until next fresh installation, when Hoary will be release, but opens a window of hope in performances to know that it might speed up with this specific kernel
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  no.  :)  my last design was way overboard, so I toned this one down
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> we won't go into that, it's complex and insane
[04:03] <stephen_> Should i upgrade the defualt Ubuntu Firefox to the latest?
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> and while a good idea, not practical.
[04:03] <shank_> bluefoxicy, then goe use that intellect todo some good instead of just trying to look smart in #ubuntu
[04:03] <Absenth> PacoBCN, nod nod.
[04:03] <nis> micahf: http://penguinppc.org/kernel/
[04:03] <stephen_> Can i upgrade the defualt ubuntu firefox installation?
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  I posted stuff all the hell over the gnome wikipage for MemoryReduction.  Somebody with half a clue will see it.
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  I could post to redhat's bugzilla but they'll be like *eyesroll*
[04:04] <DakPowers> I recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Has this happened to anyone?
[04:05] <micahf> yea I have no love for red hat either man
[04:06] <infidel> DakPowers, can you startx
[04:07] <PacoBCN> Absenth, so, might this also add powernowd feature?
[04:07] <nis> micahf: they say the benh trees are dead as of Dec 2004.
[04:07] <Absenth> PacoBCN, not sure what you're asking.
[04:07] <micahf> nis: why is that?
[04:07] <stephen_> Howdy!
[04:08] <stephen_> I LOVE U GUYS
[04:08] <nis> micahf: he has a life? ;)
[04:08] <stephen_> ubuntu make me old hardware usefull
[04:08] <DakPowers> startx? If it has to do with the OS, it disappears as soon as it loads
[04:08] <micahf> nis: hey now, we all have lives
[04:08] <nis> micahf: http://ppckernel.org/tree.php?id=3
[04:08] <micahf> nis: I'm sure benh is just getting married or something
[04:08] <infidel> DakPowers, what errors?
[04:09] <PacoBCN> Absenth, I'm running Ubuntu in a laptop and seems it doesn't have powernowd. I'm just wondering if switching to 686 could add it.
[04:09] <PacoBCN> Absenth, but don't worry, I'll find out
[04:09] <Absenth> PacoBCN, ok..  :)
[04:09] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: apt-get install powernowd
[04:09] <Fackamato> :)
[04:09] <DakPowers> infidel: I install Ubuntu Warty. As soon as the installation is over and the OS starts up (where it should be the name: pass:) screen, the monitor doesn't display anything... It goes into "monitor is ok, check cables" mode
[04:09] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, it is installed
[04:10] <infidel> DakPowers, wow
[04:11] <DakPowers> As if it's trying to put up a resolution that my monitor doesn't support
[04:11] <PacoBCN> but I'm having problems when executing it
[04:11] <PacoBCN> that's why I asked
[04:11] <DakPowers> But I only choose 1024, 800 and 600, and I know my monitor can take all of those
[04:11] <stang> DakPowers, i think there's an argument you can pass to the kernel when booting to tell it what resolution
[04:11] <stang> have you tried that?
[04:12] <geneo93> DakPowers:  try vesa till you get update
[04:12] <DakPowers> What do you mean, geneo93?
[04:12] <DakPowers> And stang, I'm not sure
[04:12] <infidel> DakPowers, sounds about right does it start to load the os?
[04:13] <geneo93> the xserver driver vesa
[04:13] <orko> if u create / as partition 1, and /boot as partition 2, would u still set / as 'bootable
[04:13] <DakPowers> Yeah, it loads everything, you can hear the sounds... I blindly type in my name/pass and it starts up
[04:13] <hayden> how can i make an icon of a samba share appear on the desktop when i mount a samba share? im using kubuntu
[04:13] <infidel> DakPowers, you running grub?
[04:14] <tomcat> ANyone know how to access a windows share? I can see the computers, but can't connect to them!
[04:14] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: what problems?
[04:14] <Fackamato> try sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd restart
[04:14] <PacoBCN> This is not flood:
[04:14] <hayden> tomcat: samba, www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:14] <PacoBCN> PowerNowd encountered and error and could not start.
[04:14] <PacoBCN> Please make sure that:
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - You are running a v2.5/v2.6 kernel or later
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - That you have sysfs mounted /sys
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - That you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace
[04:14] <PacoBCN>    modules loaded into your kernel
[04:14] <geneo93> xf86config  try that and see if you can use vesa
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - That you have the cpufreq driver for your cpu loaded,
[04:14] <PacoBCN>    and that it works. (check dmesg for errors)
[04:15] <ewhitten> gahh pastebin.
[04:15] <PacoBCN> ok, ok, sorry
[04:15] <ewhitten> no problem.  just a friendly notice. :)
[04:16] <DakPowers> Yes, infidel
[04:16] <micahf> so I just heard that someone eating at wendy's bit in to part of a finger
[04:16] <micahf> on the news
[04:16] <micahf> meaning that it's true
[04:17] <micahf> it really happened
[04:17] <ewhitten> don't eat the chili.
[04:17] <infidel> DakPowers, try booting into console mode
[04:17] <tomcat> Hayden: I've been all over the ubuntu guide site, and still have no idea. and those instructions there are for connection from windows to a windows share on the linux box, not the other way around
[04:17] <micahf> someone's finger got cut off while they were processing the low grade beef
[04:17] <hayden> Mount network folder
[04:17] <hayden>  $ sudo mkdir /media/sharename
[04:17] <hayden>  $ sudo mount //<IP_ADDRESS>/linux /media/sharename/ -t smbfs -o username=myusername,password=mypassword
[04:17] <micahf> which I feel is somewhat gross
[04:17] <geneo93> ewhitten:  where do you think you are
[04:17] <hayden> that was taken from ubuntuguide
[04:18] <hayden> tomcat: make sure u have 'samba' and 'smbfs' installed
[04:19] <tomcat> Hayden: I do... and when you say sharename, that's the name of the windows share, not the computer doing the sharing?
[04:19] <hayden> yea
[04:20] <hayden> <IP_ADDRESS> is the ip of the computer the samba share u want to access is on, linux is the name of the samba share, /media/sharename is the local folder where the share will be mounted to
[04:21] <stang> infidel: to boot into console mode, you just add init 3 to the end of the kernel, right?
[04:21] <tomcat> Hayden: so there's no way to connect to a windows computer and browse to see what shares there are? I'm trying to connect through gnome>places>network servers... but I think this one point is what's hanging me.
[04:22] <micahf> so who's going to eat at wendy's any time soon?
[04:22] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: do you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace ?
[04:22] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: and is sysfs mounted?
[04:22] <ewhitten> micahf:  me.
[04:23] <hayden> tomcat: that doesn't actually 'mount' the share just lets you see what is there
[04:23] <wiBo> Hi, im download ubuntu hoary :)
[04:23] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, unfortunately I can't tell you. :S
[04:23] <robl^> is there an ubuntuguide for hoary? or at least a list of "extra repositories" for the new version?
[04:23] <mdz> robl^: extra repositories containing what?
[04:23] <mdz> wiBo: welcome :-)
[04:23] <tomcat> Hayden: so there's no way to connect to a windows computer and browse to see what shares there are?
[04:23] <hayden> tomcat: i've found when i used gnome>places>network servers-- that some programs like xmms won't run files from there
[04:24] <hayden> yea there is
[04:24] <wiBo> mdz, i'm on gentoo now, but can i keep my /home and /etc ?
[04:24] <wiBo> and keep my windows :P
[04:24] <mdz> wiBo: /home, yes, but not /etc
[04:24] <tomcat> I thought samba was... simpler than this.
[04:24] <SysFail> samba is rough
[04:24] <hayden> ya
[04:24] <SysFail> use webmin to make it easier
[04:24] <wiBo> mdz, i don't want to remake my config files lol, i'll tar it :P
[04:24] <wiBo> 123 mg in 3 min :P
[04:24] <tomcat> Improving samba's usability would help make many more linux converts
[04:25] <robl^> mdz:  containing things like extra codecs, dvd player, etc..
[04:25] <tomcat> but I'll figure this out eventually, like the rest of it.
[04:25] <ewhitten> robl^:  that's all in the ubuntuguide
[04:25] <hayden> there was a command line statement which shows you all the shares on a computer
[04:25] <tomcat> DIdn't know I'd have to know the ip address of the windows machine and all that...
[04:25] <hayden> but i've forgotten it
[04:25] <ewhitten> hayden:  smbclient -L <ip>
[04:25] <Rocha> Hello, what can i do to make ipod shuffle work?
[04:26] <hayden> yea thats it
[04:26] <robl^> ewhitten: yes..  but the guide is for wartty. I am looking to see if there is an update for hoary :)
[04:26] <membreya> does anyone know how to override mesagl with nvidia's GL?
[04:26] <robl^> ..or if I can use the same ones
[04:26] <ewhitten> robl^:  I used the same ones.
[04:26] <Rocha> I thought it was just a regular usb pen drive, and ubuntu would open it like my regular pen drive.
[04:26] <tomcat> Ewhitten, hayden: thx. This gets me in the right direction.
[04:26] <wiBo> does ubuntu had a French channel?
[04:27] <ewhitten> specifically:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:27] <ewhitten> (that's my sources.list line)
[04:27] <robl^> ewhitten: ahh. that's what I was looking to find out. I didn't want to mess it up using the wrong ones
[04:27] <ewhitten> you want the libdvdcss2 and w32codecs packages, I believe.
[04:28] <funky> hi
[04:28] <robl^> ewhitten: thanks.
[04:28] <ewhitten> np
[04:29] <tuxJr_14> hi
[04:29] <ewhitten> Rocha:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/280679
[04:29] <ewhitten> Rocha:  and there are a couple other good links in the article for you as well.
[04:29] <Rocha> Thanks
[04:29] <ewhitten> threat, rather.
[04:29] <ewhitten> np
[04:29] <ewhitten> d.
[04:29] <ewhitten> gahh. can't type.
[04:29] <Rocha> ewhitten, i hope it works, i don't have windows at home
[04:29] <ewhitten> anyone seen my finger?  I'm short one...
[04:29] <stang> how do I allow root to have a display?  export DISPLAY=MY_HOST:0.0 isn't working!
[04:30] <funky> how can i manage init scripts in ubuntu ? add/remove from a runlevel
[04:30] <nis> stang: You can cd /etc/rc2.d  &&  mkdir .hide  && cd .hide  && mv ../S99gdm .  (to boot into the console).
[04:30] <Rocha> Bye
[04:31] <nis> stang: xhost +localhost but make sure 'nolisten' doesn't show up in a grep of the process table.
[04:31] <stang> you are the man nis!
[04:31] <stang> thank you
[04:31] <geneo93> funky:  if you want to drop to 3 just type telinit 3 in terminal
[04:32] <nis> ewhitten: that was a good finger.
[04:32] <nis> stang: welcome.
[04:32] <funky> geneo93, Im not speaking about changing through runlevels, i would like to know if there exists any command/script/whatever to manage init scripts in ubuntu
[04:32] <ewhitten> nis:  was wondering if anyone else was going to catch that. ;)
[04:33] <nis> ;)
[04:33] <geneo93> funky:  why do you need to
[04:34] <stang> nis: I can pass my fc3 kernel a "init 3" arg and it boots into command line, so that way I have 2 entries in grub, 1 for command line, 1 for graphical.  I can't be that lazy w/ Ubuntu?
[04:34] <geneo93> funky:  man init
[04:34] <funky> geneo93, i dont want launch mdadm scripts for example
[04:34] <funky> geneo93, in gentoo exists rc-update, i just want to know if exists something like that in ubuntu
[04:35] <robl^> hrmm..  I added the new repositories according to the guide, but now I get GPG error about no public key
[04:35] <geneo93> read that man on it
[04:35] <stang> nis: nevermind... had a brain fart
[04:36] <stang> i gotcha now
[04:37] <tomcat> Crap, I'm still stumped as to how to see the share on the windows networks here...
 Fackamato, unfortunately I can't tell you. :S <- err why not ?!
[04:37] <Fackamato> is it secret?
[04:38] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: sudo apt-get install cpufreq cpufreq-userspace
[04:38] <nis> stang: there used to be a keybinding to boot single-user mode.  Probably both shift keys held down at once.
[04:38] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: mount | grep sys
[04:38] <stang> ok
[04:38] <Fackamato> if you don't get anything, then sysfs isn't mounted
[04:38] <stang> i'll give that a shot
[04:39] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, sys found
[04:39] <tomcat> I got 'could not resolve mount point
[04:39] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: ok, what about that apt
[04:39] <PacoBCN> no packs with that name
[04:39] <PacoBCN> however, lsmod gives me cpufreq_userspace       4572
[04:40] <PacoBCN> cpufreq_powersave       1920
[04:40] <stang> thanks for all the help... kinda fun learning a new linux system...
[04:40] <PacoBCN> probably the modules aren't loaded at boot time
[04:40] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: what does powernowd say when you restart it through initd?
[04:40] <Liz> anyone else having a problem with gnome-panel not loading properly?
[04:41] <PacoBCN> CPU frequency scaling not supported                                   [ ok ]
[04:41] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:41] <Fackamato> what cpu do you have?
[04:41] <tomcat> Anyone have a link to a better site for access a windows share? I've tried what it says in the ubuntu guide and no luck so far...
[04:41] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, PentiumIV
[04:41] <Fackamato> mobile or what?
[04:42] <PacoBCN> Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[04:42] <Fackamato> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:42] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, this is why I asked if after installing 686 I will have powernowd support
[04:43] <PacoBCN> or if it depends on the hardware
[04:44] <Fackamato> both I guess
[04:44] <Fackamato> does your cpu have hyperthreading?
[04:46] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, that is something I don't know how to find out
[04:47] <PacoBCN> Fackomato: cat /proc/cpuinfo: http://pastebin.ca/8197
[04:47] <geneo93> look in the device manager
[04:47] <warty> :)
[04:47] <warty> oops
[04:48] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: running hoary?
[04:48] <mlktoast> yeah
[04:48] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, yes and up to date
[04:49] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[04:49] <Fackamato> and boot that new kernel
[04:49] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, yes, but I'm afraid it will give me problems at boot time
[04:49] <Fackamato> why would it?
[04:49] <PacoBCN> I'll try...
[04:50] <nis> Liz: Is it supposed to load?
[04:50] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, downloading
[04:50] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: ait
[04:51] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: what graphics card do you have on that laptop?
[04:51] <Liz> nis, in synaptic, ive got it as broken..and its freezing my system
[04:51] <monkey89> hey - is there a dvd I can download for installing hoary?
[04:51] <Liz> when i try to load it
[04:51] <monkey89> i dont see any iso files on the mirror
[04:51] <tomcat> hey all, I have figured out I can do smbclient -L <name> and hit return at the pw prompt and get some output, but not a list of the shares o nthe machine....
[04:51] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, nVidia GeForce
[04:51] <tomcat> I'm stumped as to how to connect to the windoze machines here!
[04:51] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: which one
[04:51] <dmn> hi, does fglrx support ati agp 320/340m card?
[04:51] <funky> geneo93, update-rc is what i was looking for
[04:52] <Fackamato> dmn: what chip is that based on?
[04:52] <nis> Liz: Is there an ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file (either) present in $HOME?
[04:52] <dmn> fackmato: how to know the chip?
[04:52] <funky> geneo93, and that script is not commented in init man
[04:52] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, FX Go 5300
[04:52] <Fackamato> dmn try lspci
[04:52] <PacoBCN> 64Mb
[04:52] <geneo93> hmm
[04:53] <dmn> fackmato: I'm not in-front my notebook now. I think it is radeon igp 345m
[04:53] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: okay, you'll have to reinstall the nvidia drivers after you've booted your new kernel. Do you know how to do that?
[04:54] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, yes, I've done it a couple of times
[04:54] <PacoBCN> thanks
[04:54] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: allright
[04:54] <Liz> nis xsession-errors ?
[04:54] <geneo93> funky try man update-rc.d then
[04:55] <Fackamato> dmn: see https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[04:56] <dmn> fackmato: thanks. looking now..
[04:56] <funky> geneo93, i know
[04:56] <funky> and i get it
[04:56] <geneo93> ok
[04:57] <nis> Liz: possibly.  I think I'm on the wrong track tho.
[04:58] <nis> Liz: You could always rename all ~/.gnome directories to see if the problem goes away.
[04:58] <nis> ~/.gnome* I mean.
[04:59] <nis> Or just create a test user.
[04:59] <CB201> hey, guys
[04:59] <Fackamato> lo
[04:59] <tomcat> Can someone help me with samba? I'm totally stumped and going crazy here!
[05:00] <CB201> I'm having a bit of trouble running my wireless netwrok in Ubuntu, can anyone help?
[05:00] <nis> Liz: That's what I do here.  I create a test user after installing anything I think might be affected by my legacy files in $HOME.
[05:00] <Fackamato> CB201: maybe, describe your problem in details please.
[05:00] <Fackamato> tomcat: What are you trying to do?
[05:00] <CB201> okay, here goes
[05:00] <PacoBCN> Kernel configured
[05:00] <PacoBCN> restarting
[05:00] <Fackamato> gl
[05:01] <PacoBCN> thx
[05:01] <tomcat> I'
[05:01] <nis> Liz: also, dselect is a difficult tool to work with, but is what I use to fix broken package dependencies.  A quick 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure' might help also.
[05:02] <tomcat> I've got a new ubuntu installed and I'm trying to access files on a couple of windows boxes in another part of the building.  Can't access the list of what the shares are named, but I can see the names of the windows computers
[05:02] <Fackamato> you need to know the names of the shares
[05:03] <tomcat> And I'm well and truely confused by what the ubuntu guide says.. and the howto samba on the samba site
[05:03] <Fackamato> sudo apt-get install smbfs if you haven't already
[05:03] <Liz> nis, it told me i needed to sudo dpkg --configure -a..but it was mainly the gnome-panel file that was broken
[05:03] <tomcat> did all that, have it all installed
[05:03] <Liz> i did that..but it didnt work..just threw up another error
[05:04] <Liz> and wouldnt install the other files
[05:04] <nis> Liz: how bad is the freeze-up?  What can't be done during this condition?
[05:04] <siimo> hi can someone thats running hoary + gnome 2.10 show me a screenshot of their desktop with atleast 5 apps open, please?
[05:04] <Fackamato> tomcat: this is what it looks like in fstab
[05:04] <Fackamato> 192.168.x.x/sharename/ /home/mountpoint smbfs username=usernamehere,password=passwordhere
[05:04] <CB201> My wireless card isn't supported, so I installed ndiswraper and set up my network using the driver on my card's CD.  I belive it's configured properly, because I am able to ping the other computer on my network, but I can't access the Internet.  I *am* able to access the internet from Windows XP, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong from within Ubuntu.  Any suggestions?
[05:04] <Liz> nothing could be done..i had to do a reboot to get it to work again nis
[05:04] <Fackamato> siimo: sure, hold on
[05:04] <tomcat> Fackamoto: but if I don't have the share names...?
[05:04] <Liz> couldnt get into a terminal to kill the program
[05:05] <nis> Liz: what about those 'safe' modes in gdm?
[05:06] <geneo93> Liz:  pidof (program)
[05:06] <geneo93> then kill that number
[05:06] <machoo> anyone try to use bluetooth connectivity from ubuntu to their s65?
[05:07] <siimo> Fackamato, thanks
[05:07] <nis> Liz: simple thing to try (and undo later):  cd ~   and then "echo sawfish > ~/.xsession"  (but be sure you aren't overwriting an old ~/.xsession file).  Then try other modes for session in gdm (the HumanCircle people screen where your name and password is typed in, in a graphical interface).
[05:07] <CB201> can anyone help me with my Internet connection sharing problem?
[05:07] <EricNeon> smurfix, I ssh login ubuntu-zh,but couldnt edit my config files
[05:08] <Fackamato> siimo: www.tehjunkyard.net/screenshot.png
[05:08] <nis> Liz: that overwrites ~/.xsession with a single command, 'sawfish' which is the window manager.
[05:08] <Fackamato> tomcat: you need the sharenames afaik
[05:08] <machoo> ANYONE HAVE A GOOD BLUETOOTH MANAGER I CAN USE?
[05:08] <Liz> geneo93, i coudlnt get into a terminal to do that
[05:08] <Fackamato> macewan: skip capslock
[05:08] <Liz> nis ill give it a go
[05:08] <Fackamato> typing with uppercase letters only means that you won't get any help at all
[05:08] <geneo93> ctrl alt f1
[05:09] <siimo> Fackamato, are you using custom settings for gnome window list? mine gets crammed
[05:09] <nis> Liz: you can replace 'sawfish' with 'xterm' there also, if you like, but then you won't have a window manager either.  If  you do that, first command to type into the resultant xterm would be 'sawfish &'.
[05:10] <Fackamato> siimo: nah, just a theme
[05:10] <Lemonzest> anyone know wht the daily torrent is not working?
[05:10] <Lemonzest> for bunty 64bit
[05:10] <Fackamato> I'm using the clearlooks theme, siimo
[05:10] <siimo> Fackamato, weird.. i have latest hoary and i have the bug where window list tabs dont take up the whole window list space in hoary
[05:11] <siimo> Fackamato, but its find on other distro with 2.10
[05:11] <siimo> **fine
[05:11] <Fackamato> strange
[05:11] <Liz> nis we are talking about the synaptic update that hoary now does packages arent we?
[05:11] <Liz> ok..gnome-panel has frozen again
[05:12] <nis> Liz: I haven't used Synaptic yet. I'm old school Debian.
[05:12] <Liz> well..now i cant do anything on the panel
[05:12] <Liz> its frozen
[05:12] <Liz> this is the only window i can use
[05:12] <Liz> virtual window that is
[05:12] <nis> ctrl alt f1 any good?
[05:13] <Liz> yep..that works
[05:13] <Liz> oh wait..its owrking again..
[05:13] <Liz> but that is very very slow
[05:13] <Liz> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.10.0-0ubuntu8_all.deb:  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/gnome/help/clock/es/clock.xml')
[05:13] <geneo93> out of memory
[05:13] <Liz> thats the error
[05:13] <siimo> :-( fonts are tooh small! http://www3.150m.com/screenshots/nautilus2.10bug.png
[05:14] <CB201> My wireless card isn't supported, so I installed ndiswrapper and set up my network using the driver on my card's CD.  I belive it's configured properly, because I am able to ping the other computer on my network, but I can't access the Internet.  I *am* able to access the internet from Windows XP, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong from within Ubuntu.  Any suggestions?
[05:14] <Fackamato> siimo: zoom in to 100%
[05:15] <Fackamato> CB201: are you using DHCP in your network?
[05:15] <siimo> Fackamato, well didnt happen in warty where zoom 75% still showed fonts ok
[05:15] <Fackamato> what do you get if you type 'route' at the CLI, CB201
[05:15] <sabmoc> hello all
[05:15] <Fackamato> siimo: check the font settings then
[05:15] <nis> Liz: It'd be good to troubleshoot that on the console not in X11/GNOME.
[05:15] <CB201> CLI?
[05:15] <CB201> (new to linux)
[05:16] <Fackamato> a terminal
[05:16] <CB201> oh
[05:16] <JDahl> Command line interface
[05:16] <CB201> dunno
[05:16] <CB201> I'd have to boot back into Ubuntu to check...
[05:17] <CB201> is is possible that I could be doing something wrong in the built-in networking wizard?
[05:17] <nis> Liz: Did ctrl alt F1 restart the graphical login or did you get a text-only login screen?
[05:17] <pvoce> ugh...someone please save my sanity!:))
[05:17] <Liz> nis txt only
[05:17] <PacoBCN> Fuckamato, didn't work but I know why
[05:17] <Fackamato> CB201: maybe, if you don't add a gateway you won't get out on the net
[05:18] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: please spell my name correctly (type fack<press tab> )
[05:18] <nis> Liz: good.  If you login in text-only, you can get root and stop the graphical interface entirely.
[05:18] <CB201> well, I used the standard gateway address
[05:18] <CB201> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:18] <Liz> nis im not too handy on commandline only..but if you want me to do it that way
[05:18] <Liz> i can do
[05:18] <pvoce> the hoary nvidia glx drivers do not work, and I cant get the nvidia installer to recognize the sources path
[05:18] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, sorry, dude, whas just a typo...
[05:18] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: np, why didn't it work?
[05:18] <nis> Liz: It's the way I know. ;)
[05:18] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, worked too many years in the porn industry...
[05:19] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: hgaha
[05:19] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, I first need to compile some specific drivers to make my wireless card work
[05:19] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, then I'll be able to install nvidia and etcs
[05:20] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, however, I just needed a good reason to format it all and reinstall it again.
[05:20] <PacoBCN> And to change kernel is a good one
[05:20] <pvoce> Ive removed all of the nvidia-glx files, including restricted, and am trying to get the nvdia-installer to recognize the --kernel-source-path I gave it, as it freaks out over the symlink in /usr/modules
[05:21] <Halo> Hello
[05:21] <Fackamato> pvoce: you don't have to add --kernel-blabla to the nvidia installer
[05:21] <Halo> A friend of mine is looking for a linux distro that will run on his Pentium 1 computer
[05:21] <Fackamato> just create a symlink from your kernel headers to /usr/src/linux
[05:21] <pvoce> halo: slackware
[05:21] <Fackamato> Halo: this is not the one
[05:21] <Halo> I'm wondering if ubuntu without gnome would fit the bill?
[05:21] <Fackamato> Halo: debian woody or slackware
[05:22] <Halo> Is there a way of installing ubuntu without a GUI?
[05:22] <Halo> Then he can just apt-get fluxbox?
[05:22] <alm> halo: do a server install
[05:22] <pvoce> fack: already there...the installer does not seem to recognize it for some readon...recent installers too
[05:22] <Halo> I really think that ubuntu's hardware detection and such would be the best thing for him... he's completely green to linux
[05:22] <Halo> so if it installs to a command line with detected hardware he's peachy.  I can take it from there
[05:23] <Halo> alm: how do you do that?  Is it an install option?
[05:23] <Fackamato> pvoce: in terminal: ls -la /usr/src/linux
[05:23] <Fackamato> (not /usr/src/linux/ )
[05:23] <ionrock> has anyone had any troubel enabling inotify in hoary?
[05:23] <Fackamato> what's inotify?
[05:24] <eleet> hey guys and gals
[05:25] <ionrock> it is a kernel something or other that allows for a central place for filesystem happenings or something similar to be notified... I realy don't know exactly what it does but beagle uses it'
[05:25] <pvoce> theres why...its symlinked to linux-headers..etc....
[05:25] <Fackamato> pvoce: it should be symlinked to linux-headers
[05:25] <ionrock> pvoce, should i get the headers then?
[05:25] <eleet> i've compiled a new kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[05:26] <Fackamato> pvoce: do you have the correct hedaers installed? and the kernel source? (and unarchived it?)
[05:26] <eleet> but i need the new initrd.img or i get a kernel panick on boot ?
[05:26] <pvoce> fack: yeppers...hoary 2.6.10-5-386
[05:27] <pvoce> even uname -r 'd to make sure
[05:27] <ells> has anyone experienced choppy dvd video in hoary
[05:27] <membreya> eleet: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=100460&postcount=1 try that..just take out the nvidia stuff
[05:27] <pvoce> ells: you need to set your hdparm to 1
[05:27] <membreya> ells: got DMA enabled on your DVD drive?
[05:27] <Fackamato> pvoce: it should not complain about anything
[05:27] <ells> pvoce: how
[05:27] <ells> membreya; how can I check
[05:27] <pvoce> fack: thats the point...the installers cant find them no matter
[05:28] <membreya> ells: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/(your dvd drive)
[05:28] <ells> membreya: okay
[05:28] <Fackamato> pvoce: please paste the output of ls -la /usr/src/linux
[05:29] <Fackamato> fackamato@fackamato:~ $ ls -la /usr/src/linux
[05:29] <Fackamato> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root src 31 2005-03-24 01:44 /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686-smp/
[05:29] <pvoce> fack: there wasnt a /usr/scr/linux dir... just created it...there was the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10etc dir
[05:29] <Fackamato> pvoce: then that's what's wrong
[05:29] <Fackamato> you shouldn't create the dir
[05:29] <Fackamato> you should create a symlink to the headers
[05:30] <pvoce> removed
[05:30] <Fackamato> (as root in /usr/src): ln -s linux-headers-2.6.bla linux
[05:30] <ells> membreya: it worked, thanks
[05:30] <snowgod> Hey all, anyone noticed anything wierd with CSS since the last firefox upgrade (running Hoary)?
[05:31] <pvoce> youre typing faster than I am:)
[05:31] <ionrock> snowgod, I have noticed that some areas that are supposed to be white are a gray color
[05:31] <eleet> lol, membreya - i'm still confused
[05:31] <pvoce> fack: let me pop out of x for a bit and try it:)
[05:31] <Fackamato> gl
[05:31] <snowgod> ionrock: same here
[05:32] <eleet> is this part what i need ?
[05:32] <eleet> Install the new kernel-image and nvidia-kernel packages
[05:32] <eleet> $ cd /usr/src
[05:32] <eleet> $ sudo dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.10custom1*.deb
[05:32] <snowgod> ionrock: Guess it isn't just me then. I'll do a little research and file a report assuming no-one has already
[05:33] <ionrock> snowgod: it might be a firefox thing since web developers shouldn't assume the background to be white...
[05:35] <snowgod> ionrock: Thats true, but the page I'm seeing it on is an internal site that uses CSS, and it appears to explicitly set the color to #FFFFFF in an external CSS file, I'll poke around and see if Firefox on other OSes act the same.
[05:35] <snowgod> thats why I thought something changed with css parsing
[05:35] <eleet> if it helps, i dont have the make-kpkg command
[05:35] <ionrock> touche :)
[05:36] <rob_> I've got a quick question...
[05:36] <wibo> Hi, i have finished the installation of Hoary and when I have rebooted, i got Grub Error 18, what i do now?
[05:36] <PacoBCN> Just noticed that the Preview CD image is 533Mb big... there's still room for packages there
[05:36] <akk> snowgod, ionrock: of course you can set the background color to anything you want, if you want it to be white and that isn't the default any more.
[05:36] <pvoce> fack: negative.....it found the build symlink in /lib/modlues... but still will not recognize the header files
[05:36] <rob_> I'm trying to install Kmud, and when I go to the folder and do ./configure I get this error: configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[05:36] <rob_>   Any idea why?
[05:36] <akk> I always set my background to something a little off-white, so I'll know if I'm making assumptions like that in web pages.
[05:37] <JDahl> rob_, try to install build-essentials
[05:37] <Fackamato> pvoce: what does ls -la /usr/src/linux say
[05:38] <pvoce> fack: here is the /lib/modules the inastaller hits
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   5 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:30 .
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   4 root root   4096 2005-03-24 21:47 ..
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:28 boot
[05:38] <pvoce> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     35 2005-03-23 21:53 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:28 initrd
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x  10 root root   4096 2005-03-21 20:17 kernel
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-24 19:30 modules.alias
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root     69 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.ccwmap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-24 19:30 modules.dep
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root    517 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.ieee1394map
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   1141 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.inputmap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  16427 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.isapnpmap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-24 19:30 modules.pcimap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-24 19:30 modules.symbols
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-24 19:30 modules.usbmap
[05:38] <OddAbe19> PASTE WHORE!!! OMG
[05:39] <wibo> Hi, i have finished the installation of Hoary and when I have rebooted, i got Grub Error 18, what i do now?
[05:40] <Fackamato> pvoce: not /usr/src/linux/ , but /usr/src/linux .
[05:40] <pvoce> -
[05:40] <pvoce> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       27 2005-03-24 22:30 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root     4096 2005-03-23 21:53 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     4096 2005-03-24 21:55 nv
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   7 root root     4096 2005-03-21 17:27 rpm
[05:40] <pvoce> patrick@patrick:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386$
[05:40] <membreya> wibo: do you have DMA enabled in your BIOS?
[05:40] <pvoce> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       27 2005-03-24 22:30 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root     4096 2005-03-23 21:53 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:40] <rob_> Hmm...where can I get "libz"?
[05:40] <KriegGoD> LMFAO
[05:41] <rob_> the configure cant find it
[05:41] <KriegGoD> sudo apt-get install libz
[05:41] <KriegGoD> :)
[05:41] <wibo> membreya: yes i think
[05:41] <PacoBCN> I've seen pages in the forum about grub's error 18
[05:41] <Fackamato> pvoce: ok, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 , then after the install, go to /usr/src and tar -xvjf linuxsource.bz2
[05:42] <rob_> tried that, it cant find package libz
[05:42] <wibo> PacoBCN: i<m reading alot on that but it seems to be a fix in bios...
[05:42] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:43] <KriegGoD> evening
[05:43] <kkathman> question: How can I find out what the executable file is for an application and where its located. For example I want to find where the evolution mail executable is.
[05:43] <eleet> brb, think i may have fixed it
[05:43] <pvoce> .10 or .10.31?
[05:44] <snowgod> kkathman: whereis evolution
[05:44] <kkathman> ahhh thank you
[05:44] <smogger914> Find out via "rpm -qa" if the following packages are installed:
[05:44] <smogger914> nm
[05:44] <kkathman> and why might it be in more than one location?
[05:44] <membreya> wrong chan smogger914 :P
[05:44] <smogger914> wrong line
[05:44] <smogger914> i have a question
[05:45] <smogger914> how do i see if certain developement packages are installed
[05:45] <trans_err> smogger914: you can always use synaptic
[05:45] <smogger914> how
[05:45] <rob_> click on it, if its green, its installed
[05:46] <robl^> hrmm.  I installed hoary yesterday, and there are over 290 new pkgs to be updated
[05:46] <smogger914> lets say i wanted to chech if bison-1.35-3mdk is installed
[05:46] <smogger914> what do i do
[05:47] <pvoce> nopers...its downloading
[05:47] <rob_> use whereis, if its installed it will tell you a path
[05:47] <rob_> i'm sure there are better ways, but thats what I do
[05:48] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:/ $ whereis bison-1.35-3mdk
[05:48] <smogger914> bison-1:
[05:48] <smogger914> what does that mean
[05:48] <trans_err> smogger914: we are in ubuntu right?
[05:48] <smogger914> yeah
[05:49] <trans_err> why are you using mdk packages then?
[05:49] <rob_> means that you dont have it installed
[05:49] <ionrock> smogger914: I use locate myself
[05:49] <smogger914> so how do i install it
[05:49] <smogger914> i am trying to get wine
[05:49] <trans_err> smogger914: run synaptic
[05:49] <smogger914> and do what
[05:49] <trans_err> smogger914: it may make this a bit easier
[05:49] <rob_> if whereis finds something it will be like funstuff: /usr/share/funstuff
[05:50] <robl^> why are you installing mdk pkgs?  bison is on the ubuntu cd
[05:50] <trans_err> smogger914: and dont install packages from other distros-- especially mandrake
[05:50] <smogger914> i could not i have no clue what it is
[05:50] <smogger914> i am just trying to get wine to work and it says to check to see if those developement packages are there
[05:51] <trans_err> smogger914: apt-get install wine
[05:51] <rob_> I'm fairly new to Linux, so pardon the horrible comparison.  But what is a good software download site like Download.com
[05:51] <trans_err> rob_: apt-get install [package]
[05:52] <wibo> omg , i tried with the 3 others mode: NORMAL i got Error 5, and AUTO & LARGE, i got ERROR 18, what can i do now^
[05:52] <trans_err> rob_: just fire up synaptic
[05:52] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:/ $ sudo apt-get install wine
[05:52] <smogger914> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:52] <smogger914> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:52] <Walski> rob_ im a fan of tucows ---- but most of the packages are in buntu anyhow
[05:52] <robl^> rob_: if you want to see what's new and what software does, freshmeat.net
[05:52] <trans_err> smogger914: sudo apt-get install wine
[05:52] <trans_err> smogger914: you might want to read up a bit before diving in
[05:52] <smogger914> 6) robl^: why are you installing mdk pkgs?  bison is on the ubuntu cd its not there
[05:52] <ionrock> smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool that uses apt
[05:52] <rob_> thanks
[05:53] <Walski> robl^, has you covered  :)
[05:53] <maxchee> did anyone notice that the hoary upgrade released a few hours ago allows gnome-menus to use the legacy format
[05:53] <maxchee> ie. /usr/share/gnome/apps
[05:53] <smogger914> what  ionrock: smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool that uses apt
[05:53] <rob_> How does apt-get work? It still amazes me.  Does it just have a list of databases it searches for the file you specify?
[05:53] <kdp> I'm trying to convert all my icons to the Human theme, but the upper left hand corner still displays an old icon
[05:53] <kdp> *of firefox
[05:54] <rob_> rofl, that quit message rocks, simpsons for life
[05:54] <Walski> maxchee, thats good i hated how i couldnt add custom icons
[05:54] <trans_err> rob_: just a package list-- all the repositories are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:54] <ionrock> smogger914: that would give you that error
[05:54] <kdp> i tried this
[05:54] <kdp> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#app_icon
[05:54] <smogger914> what would
[05:54] <kdp> but its not picking up the changes...any ideas?
[05:54] <Walski> maxchee, when did you find it changed?
[05:55] <ionrock> smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool and you try to do something like apt-get install some_program, you will get an error saying that some dpkg thing is locked
[05:55] <rob_> Hmm...what does: checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Check your installation and look into config.log
[05:55] <rob_>  mean exactly? Is "libz" a specific package?
[05:55] <robl^> rob_: its complicated at first.  basically there is a list of pkgs and each pkg contains a list of what other prerequistes are needed to be instaled too.  apt-get figures it all out and does it "auto-magically"
[05:55] <wibo> anyone cant help me^
[05:55] <maxchee> Walski: a few hours ago, with the newest hoary upgrade
[05:55] <JDahl> rob_, what are you trying to compile?
[05:56] <maxchee> Walski: note that gnome still has no menu editor
[05:56] <rob_> auto-magically...thats a good way to put it =P
[05:56] <rob_> I'm trying to install Kmud
[05:56] <kdp> theres a menu editor in univer
[05:56] <kdp> se
[05:56] <kdp> its called........menueditor
[05:56] <maxchee> kdp: gnome 2.10 compatible?
[05:56] <Walski> maxchee, wicked :)
[05:56] <Walski> cheers for the heads up
[05:56] <Walski> :)
[05:56] <maxchee> Walski: it also worked on yours?
[05:56] <robl^> gnome?!?!  I use GNUstep :)
[05:57] <Walski> havnt upgraded as yeat
[05:57] <kybalion> Hello. For some reason Ubuntu cannot get the dns for a webpage I'm trying to go to. I think it may be because the url has -q- in it.
[05:57] <maxchee> robl^: how is gnustep?
[05:58] <rob_> whats gnustep?
[05:58] <trans_err> rob_: apt-get install kmud
[05:58] <trans_err> rob_: that might be easier
[05:58] <Walski> rob_ : a different windows manager
[05:58] <kkathman> one other, I'm sure very simple question, how would I go about making Opera my default browser, as opposed to what it is set to now, which is firefox?
[05:58] <rob_> tried that, cant find kmud with apt-get
[05:59] <robl^> GNUstep is a development toolkit / dekstop.. like KDEO or GNOME.. but based on the same API that Mac OS X uses for Cocoa
[05:59] <kdp> kkathman: system->preferences->preferred apps
[05:59] <maxchee> robl^: I though gnustep (the framework) is still under dev
[06:00] <JDahl> rob_, when you see an error like you described above, you almost always need a xxx-dev package.. use "apt-cache search xxx-dev" to look it up
[06:00] <kybalion> Is the lack of anyone answering me mean I've failed to follow some question protocol?
[06:00] <kkathman> kdp thats in Gnome I suppose, and Im running XFCE :(
[06:00] <robl^> maxchee: yes.  so is Mac OS X. :)  but GNUstep is useable.  there are always new versions..  same with any other software
[06:00] <maxchee> robl^: and are there any gnustep apps?
[06:00] <rob_> Hmm, when I did that, the computer thought for a second then just gave me another bash prompy
[06:00] <rob_> prompt
[06:01] <maxchee> robl^: other than windowmaker (which is not even using the framework)
[06:01] <robl^> maxchee: a fair number.. and as of recently, more and more Mac OS X are being ported to GNUstep
[06:02] <kybalion> Hmm. No responce at all to question or meta-question... Am I invisible?
[06:02] <robl^> maxchee: irc clients, email, filemangers, editors, IM clients, games, etc.  Even OpenGroupware.org uses GNUstep
[06:03] <maxchee> robl^: performance?
[06:03] <maxchee> robl^: also does gnustep have a DE?
[06:03] <robl^> maxchee: performs as least as well KDE or GNOME.  DE?  Desktop Environment?  or Development?
[06:04] <kybalion> Fascinating. Invisible it must be.
[06:04] <wibo> thanks for the help guys :) ....
[06:04] <maxchee> robl^: Desktop environment
[06:04] <maxchee> Lastly, how come firefox 1.0.2 doesn't coem with the ubuntu theme?
[06:04] <robl^> maxchee: yes, to a degree.  Its pretty much the same as the old Openstep DE
[06:04] <kkathman> maxchee:  good question... the version that I have is very out of date
[06:05] <kkathman> 0.93 or something
[06:05] <mwylde_> Is there any way to, with apt-get, get some important development packages? Without installing them individially?
[06:05] <maxchee> anyone using hoary?
[06:05] <mwylde_> I am
[06:06] <robl^> maxchee: hoary here. :)
[06:06] <maxchee> and firefox 1.0.2
[06:06] <maxchee> ie. just updated
[06:06] <kdp> i would think, since firefox has released quite a few security updates, that warty users would have it as well?
[06:07] <robl^> I just updated 300 pkgs
[06:07] <benh`> i can't seem to import my my signing certificate into evolution 2.2 -- it shows up fine with gpg --list-keys though. anyone know what i might be doing wrong?
[06:07] <maxchee> kdp: except warty users never even got the firefox 1.0 update
[06:07] <maxchee> robl^: using firefox?
[06:07] <robl^> maxchee: yeah
[06:08] <maxchee> does it have the winstripe, or the gnome theme?
[06:08] <kkathman> I guess you could download it directly from the web site
[06:08] <kkathman> or try another deb archive
[06:08] <maxchee> kkathman: not really, the one on u.m.o is not the same as the ubuntu one
[06:09] <robl^> maxchee: looks to be "default firefox"
[06:09] <maxchee> kkathman: ubuntu's gnome theme is customized
[06:09] <maxchee> robl^: ie. bright green back button of winstripe, right?
[06:09] <kkathman> maxchee yes
[06:09] <mwylde_> so with apt-get is there any automated way to get, for instance, dev tools (which seem to be sorely lacking from the vanilla Hoary install)?
[06:09] <robl^> maxchee: yeah.  Firefix *default) 2.0
[06:10] <robl^> FireFox even
[06:10] <maxchee> kkathman: I am not too worried though: this is probably just a slip up on the dev's part
[06:10] <robl^> I like the default better. :)
[06:10] <kakalto> when ubuntu hoary comes to me on cd, will I be able to simply put the cd in the drive, and update my warty?
[06:11] <maxchee> robl^: I think both are okay. Although the subdued colour of the gnome theme fits better in gnome
[06:11] <rob_> So what downloads do I need for X includes?
[06:11] <kkathman> maxchee:  thats why I chose Opera instead
[06:11] <Fackamato> kakalto: don't you have internet?
[06:11] <benh`> kakalto, check out apt-cdrom
[06:11] <kkathman> I just dl'd the qt stuff first then did the 7.54 install
[06:11] <maxchee> kkathman: I thought the only merit of opera are gazillions of gadgets
[06:12] <maxchee> kkathman: and customizability
[06:12] <robl^> ..and opera is not a MS product
[06:12] <maxchee> kkathman: well, that too. in fact, I think opera follows the kde UI tradition very well...
[06:13] <kakalto> fackamato, I'd rather not download a few hundread mb of updates
[06:13] <kakalto> benh`, thanks
[06:13] <benh`> np
[06:13] <maxchee> ie. cluttered, over built, too many settings (no intention to bash kde and opera devs, they are doing a grea job, but...)
[06:13] <mwylde_> Is there any automated way to get dev packages through apt-get?
[06:14] <maxchee> mwylde_: of what language
[06:14] <mwylde_> c
[06:14] <mwylde_> Hoary doesn't even come with gcc
[06:15] <maxchee> mwylde_: try the meta packages
[06:15] <mwylde_> maxchee: How?
[06:15] <robl^> maxchee: that's just it.. not everyone has the same goals or prefers to work in a certain style.  gnome vs kde vs cde vs gnustep, etc..  no one single *right* answer for everyone :)
[06:15] <benh`> mwylde_, just build-dep the source pkg
[06:15] <smouche> I love the keyboard shortcuts in opera.  And the real full screen view.  and zooming with one key press.
[06:16] <maxchee> robl^: which is why I leave the end of the sentence off.
[06:16] <benh`> though that will likely grab more than you are interested in...
[06:16] <maxchee> gnome vs. kde is old
[06:16] <kdp> indeed
[06:16] <robl^> motif vs openlook is older :)
[06:16] <mwylde_> which source package?
[06:17] <mwylde_> nick mwylde
[06:17] <benh`> mwylde_, whatever you are interested in... build-dep grabs all packages needed to compile the package
[06:17] <mwylde> ok
[06:18] <benh`> i can't seem to import my my signing certificate into evolution 2.2 -- it shows up fine with gpg --list-keys though. anyone know what i might be doing wrong?
[06:19] <nis> smouche: hi
[06:20] <smouche> hi nis
[06:21] <nis> smouche: did it melt?
[06:21] <smouche> Sure did, nis.  Actually seemed springlike this afternoon
[06:22] <smouche> you still in winter wonderland, nis?
[06:24] <nis> smouche: looks like Jersey around here. all melted, covered with road rash. ;)
[06:25] <aos> would someone post their PATH env variable? I seem to have overwritten mine.
[06:26] <factotum> what version of XFCE does Hoary run?
[06:26] <smouche> factotum, I think you can run XFCE4
[06:27] <smouche> it's in universe I believe
[06:27] <factotum> alright, was curious if it had 4.2 yet
[06:27] <Liz> nis it works. :D
[06:27] <smouche> factotum, don't think so
[06:27] <factotum> ah well, such is life ;D
[06:27] <nis> Liz: that's great!
[06:27] <nis> aos: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[06:28] <wibo> in my /etc/apt/sources.list i got a CDROM location, does a internet location exist? thanks
[06:29] <nis> wibo: deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[06:29] <syn-ack> wibo: You tell me, do you have an interent connection?
[06:30] <aos> nis: thanks
[06:30] <kdp> ooooooo the human theme is pretty
[06:30] <nis> aos: np
[06:31] <robzulah> can someone do me a huge favour real quick?
[06:31] <wibo> syn-ack: euhh no ;)
[06:31] <wibo> nis im with hoarty, not warty, does it affects?
[06:31] <syn-ack> replace warty with hoary
[06:31] <robzulah> do apt-get install xserver-common and tell me if you get a 404 error too? pretty please
[06:32] <wibo> thanks
[06:32] <nis> wibo: just change 'warty' to 'hoary' and don't add or remove spaces between things.
[06:32] <nis> robzulah: depends on the mirror doesn't it?
[06:32] <monkey89> hey - in hoary, ive updated all software available, but my backup partition in /media/Backup is only shown on the desktop when I do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[06:33] <wibo> nis: thanks, now apt-get updating :)
[06:33] <nis> robzulah: rather .. a 404 error is an http error specific to a particular web server.
[06:33] <wibo> because i got error 18 with grub
[06:33] <nis> wibo: welcome.
[06:33] <wibo> so i had to install another one ...
[06:33] <wibo> it sucks :D
[06:34] <wibo> now installing lilo :P
[06:35] <nis> wibo: i use lilo here on x86 and yaboot on ppc
[06:36] <kdp> have an IRC question...i registered w/nickserve but w/the wrong email, and now when i use the set email command its not saving properly...
[06:36] <wibo> k
[06:36] <wibo> Installing MBR on /dev/hda
[06:36] <wibo> ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable.
[06:36] <wibo> wtf ? :S
[06:37] <robzulah> So does that error mean that the server that particular file is on is temporarily down?
[06:37] <nis> kdp: found the way to make it nicer last night.  edit  '/usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml' to change the font size and password box dimensions and color.
[06:38] <rvirani> Where can I get documentation on Ubuntu as a server platform
[06:38] <rvirani> things like installing tripwire
[06:38] <rvirani> automatic updates
[06:38] <rvirani> making sure that the kernel stays the same
[06:38] <rvirani> etc...
[06:39] <wibo> root@livecd:/etc/apt # lilo
[06:39] <virtuald> how can i get atomic updates? i want a nuclear reactor in my room
[06:39] <wibo> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not exist, disk scan bypassed
[06:39] <wibo> Warning: partition type 0x0C on device 0x0301 is a dangerous place for
[06:39] <wibo>     a boot sector.  A DOS/Windows/OS2 system may be rendered unbootable.
[06:39] <wibo>   The backup copy of this boot sector should be retained.
[06:39] <wibo> I will assume that you know what you're doing and I will proceed.
[06:39] <wibo> Fatal: Filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/hda1
[06:39] <wibo> whats that
[06:39] <sono> Hello
[06:39] <rvirani> wibo: what it says
[06:39] <rvirani> you just killed the fs
[06:39] <wibo> i paste
[06:39] <wibo> WHAT?
[06:39] <rvirani> dont paste again
[06:40] <wibo> it means i dont have windows?
[06:40] <rvirani> use pastebin.ca if you want to paste
[06:40] <rvirani> perhaps
[06:40] <wibo> omg
[06:40] <wibo> omfg
[06:40] <rvirani> if you wrote lilo to the wrong partition
[06:40] <wibo> which partition i had to write?
[06:40] <kakalto> lol!
[06:40] <rvirani> omfg - Sounds like someone didnt back their stuff up
[06:40] <rvirani> wibo: depends on your system
[06:41] <virtuald> how can i get ubuntu to build an nuclear reactor?
[06:41] <wibo> rvirani: my windows partitions is not mounted so..
[06:41] <rvirani> wibo: so ...
[06:41] <rvirani> wibo: lilo can still do stuff to them
[06:41] <rvirani> just cuase they are not mounted does not mean they are not on the disk
[06:41] <rvirani> if you are dealing with partitions it doesnt matter if they are mounted or not
[06:41] <sono> could anyone tell me how to route gstreamer output/GNOME default sound system to my USB Pro Audio Card?
[06:42] <kdp> has anyone ever killed x, logged in, and noticed the line "You have new mail."?
[06:42] <rvirani> ln -s /dev/sound /dev/whateverthedeviceis
[06:42] <rvirani> ?
[06:42] <nis> kdp: what's the question?
[06:42] <rvirani> if gstreamer... uses /dev/sound
[06:42] <rvirani> kdp:  yes
[06:42] <_chavo> kdp, so read your mail.
[06:43] <wibo> rvirani: its just touch the mbr?.. can i only reboot with a win98 boot disk and do fdisk /mbr ?
[06:43] <sono> thx rvirani... i see
[06:43] <kdp> so i kill x, where i go to text based login, and after i log in, it shows "You have new mail."
[06:43] <kdp> whats up w/that?
[06:43] <rvirani> /dev/hda1 is not the mbr
[06:43] <kdp> i dont have new mail
[06:43] <kdp> and i dont know y its trying to check...
[06:43] <nis> kdp: same as if you su - myself in a terminal.
[06:44] <nis> kdp: or at anyrate, 'ssh myself@localhost'
[06:44] <wibo> rvirani: what does i have to do?
[06:44] <_chavo> it means you have a message in /var/mail
[06:44] <nis> kdp: the system sent u mail.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> some pacakage installers send root mail perhaps..
[06:45] <_chavo> the system sends messages to you for certain things
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> as a way of warning/notification.
[06:45] <kdp> so how might i get rid of it?
[06:45] <_chavo> if someone tries to use sudo and isn't in /etc/sudoers
[06:45] <_chavo> for example
[06:45] <kdp> b/c obviously its not reaching me now
[06:45] <rvirani> wibo: dunno
[06:46] <_chavo> kdp, fire up mutt to read it
[06:46] <nis> kdp: mail
[06:46] <rvirani> wibo: you wrote to a partitgion not the mbr
[06:47] <kdp> woooooooo what was that
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> get rid of the email? use the 'mail' command to read and delete it.
[06:48] <_chavo> or just rm /var/mail/root
[06:48] <csj> mdz: hi, I installed "xresprobe discover1 mdetect" but the xorg.conf still unchanged, is any clue to find what I lack of ?
[06:50] <monkey89> does anyone know of a way to get inserted disks to show on hoary's desktop?
[06:50] <Amaranth> Good news, I think I can get new menu category creation working in my editor. :)
[06:51] <monkey89> cds seem to work but my other hard drive partition doesn't... arr
[06:51] <kdp> excellent (does the burns hand thing)
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> monkey89,  thats a GNOME option I do belive
[06:51] <Liz> did you mount it monkey89 ?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> if its mounted
[06:51] <monkey89> Liz, yes, its mounted in /media/Backup.
[06:51] <monkey89> i put a CD in and the desktop shortcut appeared.  I have to restart dbus to get the disk to appear
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> or just make a shortcut from that dir to your home dir.
[06:52] <Amaranth> monkey89: hit ctrl+r when you're on your desktop
[06:52] <Liz> autorun option for removable media is in system ->preferences
[06:52] <orko> I've created an iptables script (and loaded the rules) but aren't sure where to put it so it loads it at boot? (does an iptables-save do that for you?)
[06:52] <Amaranth> oh, nm
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> then again. the gnome file manager has the bookmark stuff.. makes it easy to add bookmarks to palces
[06:52] <monkey89> there's something going on with gnome-volume-manager.  the CD appears, the disk doesnt, restarting hal brings the disk to appear
[06:52] <Amaranth> i thought you said the icon for the disc wasn't appearing
[06:52] <orko> or do I need to save the script, and call it in network/interfaces when the network comes up/
[06:53] <ionrock> does anyone have any tips for getting beagle to work?
[06:53] <Amaranth> monkey89: hoary?
[06:53] <Amaranth> ionrock: good luck
[06:53] <monkey89> Amaranth, yeah, giving it a shot
[06:53] <ionrock> I keep getting free(): invalid pointer 0x820e000! on queries
[06:53] <Amaranth> monkey89: heh
[06:53] <nis> orko: /etc/init.d/ and link to it from /etc/rc2.d/
[06:53] <monkey89> Amaranth, you have any idea how to get it to come up on startup?
[06:53] <Amaranth> on startup?
[06:54] <monkey89> Amaranth, when I first login, the Backup drive is properly detected and put on the desktop - that would be nice
[06:54] <monkey89> also appears in the file chooser when its recognized
[06:54] <nis> orko: but you should copy an exiting script from /etc/init.d/ and model yours on that one.
[06:54] <Amaranth> no clue
[06:54] <monkey89> hrm
[06:54] <monkey89> maybe i should try upgrading to 2.6.11?  i can't imagine that would fix it
[06:54] <Amaranth> my only expierence with g-v-m is with CDs
[06:56] <Amaranth> that'd be a bad idea
[06:56] <Amaranth> 2.6.11 isn't supported and is known to break things
[06:56] <kaouete> hi
[06:56] <monkey89> all righyt
[06:57] <monkey89> i think im going to try rebooting with "noinotify" on the boot options, i think it might work
[06:57] <crimsun> monkey89: are you using Hoary?
[06:57] <monkey89> yes
[06:57] <crimsun> monkey89: and a Hoary-provided kernel?
[06:57] <monkey89> yes
[06:57] <monkey89> there's a bug about it with no solution, it seems
[06:57] <crimsun> monkey89: then "noinotify" isn't needed
[06:57] <monkey89> then why doesn't gnome recognize the disk, crimsun? :)
[06:58] <crimsun> monkey89: inotify is disabled by default; it has to be enabled explicitly
[06:58] <kaouete> someone knows how to have composite working with i810 driver ? here i activate it, and RENDER too, and if i look to Xorg.log, it says COMPOSITE is enabled (DAMAGE and RENDER too) but if i run xompmgr, it tells me "No composite extension" :/
[06:58] <crimsun> monkey89: I just reattached; let me read scrollback
[06:58] <monkey89> thanky
[06:58] <wiBo> hi, i got kernel panic now :S
[06:59] <monkey89> crimsun, also, I beg to differ about the noinotify: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16972&highlight=noinotify
[06:59] <wiBo> [...]  Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[07:00] <crimsun> monkey89: uname -r
[07:00] <monkey89> crimsun, 2.6.10-5-686
[07:00] <crimsun> monkey89: those kernels have inotify disabled by default
[07:00] <kaouete> and why enable inotify ?
[07:01] <monkey89> crimsun, i dont know though... the forum post says that that adding noinotify to the flags for 2.6.10-4 (which i had prior to upgrading) fixed it
[07:01] <crimsun> monkey89: it fixes the issue with the _older_ epoch (2.6.10-3-foo)
[07:01] <jordanau> is Icewm install anything more than downloading it from synaptic?? I am looking for a howto and dont see one
[07:02] <crimsun> monkey89: the entire 2.6.10-5-foo epoch disables inotify by default
[07:02] <monkey89> crimsun, well ok... so what do you suggest I do so I don't have to restart dbus-1 to get my drive recognized?
[07:02] <monkey89> it seems this never works the first time I try :(
[07:02] <crimsun> monkey89: without restarting dbus-1, does it work the second time you plug it in?
[07:03] <monkey89> crimsun, its an internal HD
[07:03] <monkey89> crimsun, cd's show up without restarting dbus-1, its just the drive
[07:03] <tomas-> go figure, but i was asked by #gnu to come here to ask a question about GPL
[07:03] <syn-ack> hah, thats funny
[07:04] <crimsun> monkey89: please paste /var/log/dmesg onto http://pastebin.ca
[07:04] <crimsun> tomas-: pertaining to...?
[07:04] <monkey89> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8202 (and thanks for the help, btw)
[07:05] <tomas-> if i decide to have non-GPL commercial software utilize GPL software (such as a web application using some third-party perl libraries), and decide to bundle those libraries with the software purely for convenience upon the end-user (who might not know how to do installs of third-party software), and NOT because of intent to sell any part of the GPL software, would this be a problem?
[07:05] <rvirani> so anyways
[07:05] <rvirani> where do I get good admin docs for Ubuntu - from the sysadmin perspective
[07:06] <syn-ack> tomas-: the techical answer is yes
[07:06] <syn-ack> technical, too
[07:06] <bob2> rvirani: it's the same as every other unix, more or less
[07:06] <bob2> buy a good Debian book.  I hear the o'reilly one is good.
[07:07] <Liz> is there a good debian book?
[07:07] <bob2> tomas-: get a lawyer
[07:07] <tomas-> syn-ack, why? i would make sure it's clear that it uses free third party software that is unmodified
[07:07] <dmn> hi, any opensource/free grammar tool?
[07:07] <syn-ack> tomas-: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPL
[07:07] <rvirani> bob2: alright and no it isnt 'the same' if it was I wouldnt be asking you :D
[07:08] <syn-ack> tomas-: for something like this, you may want to consider LGPL
[07:08] <bob2> rvirani: yes it is
[07:08] <rvirani> bob2: nope, it aint, unix doesnt use apt
[07:08] <teaker> join #debian-zh
[07:08] <bob2> rvirani: indeed
[07:08] <crimsun> monkey89: so you have 2 HDs and 1 DVD+RW, correct?
[07:08] <monkey89> crimsun, correct.
[07:09] <bob2> and Debian doesn't use /etc/rc.local, but it's not a very big difference
[07:09] <rvirani> there are other things to for example startup / shutdown init scripts and the like
[07:09] <crimsun> monkey89: they seem to be detected just fine.  What seems to be the issue?
[07:09] <rvirani> bob2: you are correct but I would like to be well informed about the small differences
[07:09] <bob2> rvirani: getting a Debian book would be a good idea then.
[07:09] <rvirani> Im sure if I admined a debian box like I did say a slackware box...
[07:09] <bob2> rvirani: or "linux in a nutshell"
[07:09] <rvirani> some people might have a crap
[07:09] <monkey89> crimsun, I have hdb1 mounting in /media/Backup, but gnome-volume-manager isn't recognizing it (so it doesn't appear as a choice on the desktop or in the file manager) until i restart dbus-1
[07:09] <rvirani> bob2: got that one :D
[07:10] <rvirani> I'll take a look at the debian book
[07:10] <rvirani> btw is debian dead, there stable is stale?
[07:10] <tomas-> why is something "free" when it really isnt and requires a lawyer to understand? nothing bound by legal restriction is free in the sense of usage....im not EVER telling my customers that the third party libraries are mine and only available through me. im not even modifying them.
[07:10] <bob2> rvirani: no, of course not
[07:10] <bob2> tomas-: of course it's free
[07:10] <bob2> tomas-: it's only complicated because you're trying to skirt the GPL and make use of Free software from your proprietary atuff
[07:11] <bob2> if your stuff was under a GPL-compatible license, there would not be any issue at all
[07:11] <tomas-> well honestly, the end-user would know about the third-party libraries and if they wanted ot get them themselves, whatever, but im just bundling them automatically for the novice
[07:11] <bob2> there you go
[07:11] <crimsun> monkey89: try creating a /Backup and mounting it there instead of /media/Backup
[07:12] <monkey89> crimsun, k
[07:12] <tomas-> i dont see how that violates the GPL, in the situation where the end commercial non-GPL product is significantly different than the GPL product and is not a derivative at all, but simply dependent upon (so if they want to get a stock version, they can)
[07:12] <syn-ack> tomas-: thats not the point. The point is: If Its Not Under A Free Licence, It CANNOT Be distrubuted with free software.
[07:13] <bob2> syn-ack: er
[07:13] <bob2> syn-ack: no
[07:13] <syn-ack> or link, something like that.
[07:13] <bob2> this is why I said to get a lawyer, so you don't get misled by confused people on IRC
[07:13] <tomas-> i dont see how that's free
[07:13] <monkey89> crimsun, i have to reboot, brb
[07:14] <syn-ack> I would have to re-read it, its been years
[07:14] <bob2> syn-ack: consider if it was a BSD-licensed library
[07:14] <crimsun> tomas-: your best bet really is to get a lawyer specialising in IP
[07:14] <bob2> blah IP
[07:14] <syn-ack> bob2: Well, thats GPL compliant.
[07:14] <bob2> syn-ack: indeed
[07:15] <caffinated> tomas-: you can also check groklaw, iirc, they have a number of laymans-terms documents regarding computer and software related things
[07:15] <bob2> tomas-: or ask on the FSF licensing list
[07:15] <bob2> etc
[07:15] <bob2> asking for help with skirting the GPL on a user IRC channel seems kinda silly
[07:15] <claint> this is not very dandy. updating ubuntu took out all the other operating systems in my menu.lst, de-resolutionized my XF86Config. I am now fixing it. but someone not proficient would be at a loss. What kind of update is this? is there somewhere where we can issue bugs?
[07:15] <bob2> tomas-: www.opensource.org probably also has lists for asking stuff like that
[07:15] <Amaranth> tomas-: Your non-GPL code requires GPL'd code to function?
[07:15] <jeffsch> tomas: your answer may be here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
[07:16] <bob2> claint: er, of course, the BTS: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:16] <bob2> claint: note that hoary doesn't use XF86Config-4 at all
[07:16] <monkey89> crimsun, now it doesn't even appear after a dbus restart.  I think gnome-volume-manager requires it to be in /media
[07:17] <crimsun> monkey89: did you modify /etc/fstab correspondingly?
[07:17] <monkey89> crimsun, yes, and it was mounetd
[07:17] <monkey89> just not recognized by gnome
[07:17] <nix000> is there a way in nautilus to define what is the search path and env var in effect ?
[07:18] <crimsun> monkey89: odd.
[07:18] <claint> XF86 doesn't matter. grub is more important. this is real bad. it should at least made copies of the last files of something, which i will ask, does it make backups of config files anywhere?
[07:18] <tomas-> honestly, im not modifying any GPL code, im not changing the license on the GPL code, im not saying the GPL code's functionality is mine. i have a drastically different commercial product that uses these underlying libraries, which is only sensible to not reinvent the wheel, but for the sake of the layman, i would want the option to bundle the third-party software automatically (yet disclosing that it's not mine, not modified, and
[07:18] <tomas-> if they want to get it from the original side, they can go ahead)
[07:19] <crimsun> monkey89: I'm stumped (but you're correct regarding /media/*)
[07:19] <bob2> tomas-: you do realise you can't link non-GPL-compatible code to GPL-license- code and distirbute the result, right?
[07:19] <bob2> claint: please file a bug then, I've not heard of that happening to anyone
[07:19] <crimsun> monkey89: it should not matter at all where it's mounted
[07:19] <monkey89> crimsun, ok, thanks anyways for the help... im going to look into inotify, maybe it needs to be ienabled?
[07:19] <crimsun> monkey89: that's one thing to try, but be aware it's disabled for a reason ;)
[07:20] <monkey89> hehe
[07:20] <nix000> tomas-, you just want an excuse to not play by the rules ... thas exactly what the GPL is supposed to stop you from.
[07:20] <monkey89> i feel like it could also be gamin/fam
[07:20] <claint> bob2: so a regular update keeps your grub menu list with the old entries (it is a kernel update) and keeps your XF86Config untouched?
[07:20] <CoRzA> hey guys
[07:20] <monkey89> im going to reinstall fam... meh
[07:20] <bob2> claint: my grub menu list has not been touched, and as I said, hoary does not use XFree86
[07:21] <claint> bob2: i am talking about warty though.
[07:21] <rvirani> bob2: the book is out of print
[07:21] <bob2> claint: grub and the X server got updated in warty?
[07:21] <daniels> claint: it won't touch your XF86Config-4; you have to ask very, very, very, very nicely (and rather explicitly) for it to do that
[07:21] <nis_> corza: hi
[07:22] <daniels> bob2: no, kernel update; i assume he modified /boot/grub/menu.lst without paying attention to the comments that said 'do this if you want your changes to be preserved'
[07:22] <bob2> ahh
[07:22] <n4cht> whew.
[07:22] <bob2> n4cht: please turn that off
[07:23] <tomas-> i understand the GPL says this, but ultimately what is the purpose/benefit to the end-user? by making use of my commercial more difficult because they dont have the skill to get the third part software themselves?
[07:23] <claint> daniels: no questions asked. i used that synaptic thing instead of apt-get and boom. menu.lst is gone, it made it real basic with only ubuntu stuff, and XF86C.... is gone as well. 640x res only in it.
[07:23] <claint> daniels: it didn't ask a thing.
[07:23] <bob2> claint: did you ever modify your grub config manually?
[07:23] <claint> claint: yes i did.
[07:23] <bob2> there you go
[07:23] <claint> bob2:^
[07:23] <bob2> read the comments in that file again
[07:23] <tomas-> another similar thought. what about selling web SERVICES utilizing open source (GPL) software? such as if i had some portal site that used a gpl webmail client, would that be a problem? there's no distribution at all, its a web service
[07:24] <claint> bob2: i had also edited XF86Config.......
[07:24] <bob2> tomas-: the benefit is supposed to b ethat it encourages proprietary software vendors to Free their software so they can make use of cool GPL libraries
[07:24] <akk> tomas-: One benefit to the end user is that if more people write GPL software, then every user gets to use it.
[07:24] <claint> bob2: previously
[07:24] <bob2> claint: haha
[07:24] <n4cht> bob2, no thanks.  unless there's some channel rule against it, which i'm fairly certain there isn't.  (yes, i'm aware you asked nicely... however, i just got home, i'm sick, i'm tired, and i'm feeling terribly bitchy.  many apologies for targetting you with my ire.)
[07:24] <bob2> n4cht: it's strongly discouraged because it's annoying and would become extremely annoying if everyone in here used it
[07:24] <claint> bob2: i don't understand. we are using linux and we are not supposed to edit the config files?
[07:24] <akk> tomas-: Including the users who wrote the libraries, so part of their "payment" for that effort is that they get to use other people's free software.
[07:25] <bob2> claint: "we" are supposed to read comments before modifying generated files
[07:25] <bob2> tomas-: the webservice "loophole" is not forbidden, but apparently richard stallman is looking at it for the GPL, v3
[07:26] <claint> bob2: ok, i musta missed those comments in the menu.lst. so you got me on that one.
[07:26] <bob2> claint: don't know about X, sorry
[07:26] <StickyD> anyone know how to make ubuntu work in a MS Virtual PC
[07:26] <n4cht> StickyD, MS Virtual PC?
[07:27] <StickyD> it comes up but i think its showing to many colors
[07:27] <tomas-> well honestly, how are small-time people supposed to get by as self-employed sole proprietors without depending on large corporations, who are the only ones these days that have the manpower to make every last pit of code proprietary? isnt it the fascism of large corporations and their forcing of their software and eliminating all others that the GPL is against? how can a small time person compete with them when their software eith
[07:27] <tomas-> er requires a more advanced user to know how to install dependencies, or needs to reinvent the wheel
[07:27] <bob2> StickyD: VPC is buggy and requires you to run X in 16-bit mode, aiui
[07:28] <Tugg> hey hey hey
[07:28] <tomas-> bob2, so lets pretend apache was GPL....then every last ISP out there using Apache would need to pay royalties on top of their other horrible expenses just to provide web space to people?
[07:28] <bob2> tomas-: I don't think the GPL was designed to encourage proprietary software vendors, large or small
[07:28] <sono> rvirani, I tried to make my usb card the default gnome audio output, but your suggestion didn't worked.  I created the /dev/sound symlink to the card's location...
[07:28] <bob2> tomas-: er, of course not
[07:28] <StickyD> how do i tell it to use 16bit at boot
[07:28] <bob2> tomas-: where did you get that idea from?  or was it some sort of lame troll?
[07:28] <sono> the link worked, but nothing more...
[07:28] <tomas-> well, you mentioned it as a 'loophole'
[07:29] <tomas-> that is meaning to be 'patched'
[07:29] <akk> Why would isps need to pay royalties to use apache?
[07:29] <bob2> tomas-: and then if companies CHOSE to use software licensed under that license, they would have to comply with the license
[07:29] <sono> crimsun... could you please tell us how to route gstreamer/gnome default sound output to a USB audio device?
[07:30] <bob2> tomas-: which might involve linking to a to a tarball of apache or something
[07:30] <nis_> the isp's aren't deriving new for-hire software from the apache base code.
[07:30] <bob2> tomas-: tell me, can I download and use your software for free?
[07:30] <crimsun> sono: err...do you have multiple sound cards?
[07:30] <akk> ISPs which use linux aren't paying royalties for that ...
[07:30] <Tugg> cause SCO and Microsoft try to use software patents to f over the world
[07:30] <tomas-> bob2, well honestly, it's a web SERVICE, nothing to download or copy or distribute
[07:30] <sono> yes crimsun, an internal one, and an M-Audio external card that do works with alsa and jack directly
[07:30] <bob2> tomas-: presumably there's some code that runs on the server?  can I have it?
[07:30] <sono> s/do/does
[07:31] <crimsun> sono: I presume the internal one is card0, and the m-audio is card1?
[07:31] <sono> true
[07:31] <crimsun> sono: then simply tell alsa to prefer all other cards before the internal one.  Which driver does it use?
[07:31] <tomas-> bob2, you can have every last bit of GPL software, but im not going to spend the time to give it to you, i have a right to make a living and not work for free
[07:31] <tomas-> i also have a right to refuse to give my software away when it's purely a web service
[07:32] <tomas-> even if it DOES use GPL software -- apache, perl, mysql, etc (yeah, not quite gpl, but still)
[07:32] <sono> crimsun: see friend... gnome is using the ESD driver
[07:32] <tomas-> bob2, do you have a point?
[07:32] <bob2> tomas-: indeed
[07:32] <nis> ;)
[07:32] <crimsun> sono: cat /proc/asound/modules, please.
[07:32] <bob2> tomas-: my point is that you can't whine that people won't let you make use of their software for free
[07:32] <Tugg> what is this entire GPL discussion about
[07:33] <Skaaa> can someone help me with setting up samba properly?
[07:33] <nix000> tomas-, if it is a web service there is nothing that forces you to give the source since you are not shipping any binary/source to customers.
[07:33] <tomas-> bob2, who would do that? i can understand if the license says so
[07:33] <sono> crimsun: oh I see... 0 snd_via82xx (yuck!!!) & 1 snd_usb_audio
[07:33] <tomas-> but i dont think gpl covers that
[07:33] <claint> bob2: allright. thanks for the info. sorry if i sounded pissed, which i was ;-p. if it was my first time editing a grub file i would have read that i guess.
[07:33] <crimsun> sono: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[07:34] <crimsun> sono: after you reboot, it will work
[07:34] <bob2> tomas-: if you link a proprietary hunk of code to a GPL library, you make a derivative, which is either a) undistributable or b) under the GPL.  at least according to the FSF's interpretation.
[07:34] <nis> tomas- are you interested in navigating the language of the GPL .. or advocating for a change of such language?
[07:34] <sono> criumsun: oh! I see...
[07:34] <Skaaa> linux newbie needs help setting up samba, please assist
[07:34] <Jimbob> Skaaa: perhaps, what are you trying to do?
[07:35] <Skaaa> i need to get it to network with my PC
[07:35] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Okay, just simple file-sharing?
[07:35] <Skaaa> jimbob:i have windows xp on one and warty on the other
[07:35] <Jimbob> OK
[07:35] <nix000> bob2, he is allowed to make modifications and keep it as long as it is internal to his organisation tho.
[07:35] <tomas-> bob2, what about the idea that having software proprietary is so that a competitor cant buy your software and redistribute it under a new name for their own benefit but none of the work? what if they hack away at it enough that it looks different, but is 90% the same underlying code? wouldnt it make sense to then have some proprietary software?
[07:35] <Skaaa> jimbob:pretty much, i need to transfer files for setting up a call of duty server
[07:35] <sono> Crimsun: I will cat at alsa-base, do what you told me and reboot... thx once again Crimsun. I owe you some now... maybe one more today.
[07:35] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK
[07:36] <crimsun> sono: np
[07:36] <tomas-> i mean if a competitor does a good job at hacking the software, you might not EVER find out, NOR be able to prove that they stole it
[07:36] <corza> Hey guys, I have downloaded imwheel and unpacked it I'm wondering how to execute it could anyone help me?
[07:36] <bob2> nix000: of course
[07:36] <tomas-> this is all assuming everything needs to be GPL
[07:36] <Tugg> tomas-, that is against what free software is all about
[07:36] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Are you familiar with /etc/samba/smb.conf?
[07:37] <bob2> tomas-: not in my opinion, but you're entitled to your own
[07:37] <Skaaa> jimbob: to tell you the truth i know almost nothing about linux, i am very good with windows and undertand the BASICS of many languages
[07:37] <Tugg> if you use free software, then what ever changes you make to it you need to give back to the community
[07:37] <Skaaa> but no
[07:37] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK
[07:37] <Skaaa> linux i know nothing
[07:37] <tomas-> so then everything should be GPL and software companies will be going bankrupt because people will be freely stealing the software and making all sorts of senseless profits?
[07:38] <Jimbob> Skaaa: /etc/samba/smb.conf is a plain-text file that stores the samba config
[07:38] <nis> Tugg: if you even bother to publish at all. ;)
[07:38] <Tugg> tomas-, I dont see red hat going out of business
[07:38] <Skaaa> Jimbob:ok
[07:38] <Jimbob> Skaaa: There *may* be a "Shares" configuration UI in the Administration/System/Whatever-it's-called menu
[07:38] <Tugg> you can make plenty of money on "free" software
[07:38] <nix000> tomas-, just play by the rules . if you dont like them live them. dont bent the rules of the game. having said that the gpl still allows to keep internal mods to yourself as long as you are no "shipping" a product. so whats is the issue ?
[07:39] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'm on Hoary, which has it, but I don't know if it existed when Warty was released...
[07:39] <bob2> tomas-: er, no
[07:39] <bob2> tomas-: all the stuff I do for work is under the GPL, and I get paid for it
[07:39] <Skaaa> jimbob:ok
[07:39] <SuperL4g> any of you guys run Ubuntu on PPC?
[07:39] <bob2> SuperL4g: yes
[07:39] <Tugg> tomas-, what is you gave someone the code you wrote, they improve on it then gave it back to you and then your profits then go up
[07:39] <SuperL4g> Is the fact that they don't wake from sleep right, a known issue?
[07:39] <nis> bob2: what kernel?
[07:39] <bob2> nis: hm?
[07:40] <bob2> nis: oh, on ppc?
[07:40] <nix000> bob2, i bet it took a while to get there no ?
[07:40] <nis> bob2: which ppc kernel u run?
[07:40] <Skaaa> jimbob:hold on, im having a new problem, sigh
[07:40] <bob2> SuperL4g: depends what version of ubuntu and what hardware
[07:40] <SuperL4g> I have an iBook G3 900.  When I try to wake the machine from a sleep state, it doesn't come up
[07:40] <bob2> nis: oh, <IP_ADDRESS>, iirc
[07:40] <nis> bob2: tnx.
[07:40] <bob2> nix000: it took a long while for the company to release gpl stuff?
[07:40] <SuperL4g> bob2: I tried the latest Hoary daily, and Kubuntu daily
[07:40] <Tugg> SuSE developed ALSA... now all the linux distros use it but they are filing for bankrupsy
[07:40] <fabbione> SuperL4g: you might want to disable dri from X
[07:40] <bob2> SuperL4g: known bug, 1940, iirc
[07:41] <SuperL4g> fabbione: tied to DRI, eh?
[07:41] <fabbione> SuperL4g: apparently yes
[07:41] <bob2> SuperL4g: hal is the other issue, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[07:41] <Skaaa> I AM A VERY UNHAPPY CAMPER, I TRY TO START THE OTHER COMPUTER AND NO OPERATING SYSTEM FOUND! I RAN IT FINE A FEW GHOURS AGO!
[07:41] <nix000> bob2, to get paid doing gpl stuff. i assume companies just opening their code is just a new and rare phenomenon. more likely to get paid after starting a project and getting noticed.
[07:42] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The windows computer, you mean?
[07:42] <JDahl> another bug in Hoary seems to be that you often lose control of the terminal after you resize it
[07:42] <Skaaa> no
[07:42] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The linux one?
[07:42] <bob2> nix000: oh, no, this project has been GPL since we started it
[07:42] <Skaaa> i am on the windows computer now
[07:42] <Skaaa> yeah
[07:42] <Jimbob> Ok
[07:42] <bob2> nix000: tho it is a branch of an existing GPL codebase
[07:42] <geneo93> nite all
[07:42] <tomas-> honestly, whether i sell software and have an install program that downloads some gpl libraries and utilizes them, or whether i distribute the software with the library already bundled (still doing an install, but ONLY avoiding an internet download by the user), there really is no genuine difference...but from what i understand the former is illegal, relating to GPL libraries and non-GPL commercial software
[07:42] <tomas-> that part i just dont get
[07:42] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Put the warty CD in the linux machine, and boot to the "boot:" or "linux" prompt (whatever it's called)
[07:42] <bob2> tomas-: no, not illegal, but perhaps a breach of your license
[07:42] <nix000> bob2, and you got paid right from the begining ?
[07:43] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'll walk you through fixing your linux box
[07:43] <Skaaa> ok
[07:43] <Skaaa> thanks : )
[07:43] <bob2> tomas-: you need to go read the GPL FAQ, it sounds like you're just linking to GPL code from a GPL-incompatible program
[07:43] <Jimbob> Skaaa: np
[07:43] <Skaaa> live cd right?
[07:43] <bob2> nix000: hm, we started on the project after I started working here, so yeah
[07:43] <Jimbob> Skaaa: How did you install warty on the machine (or did you?)
[07:43] <Tugg> tomas-, its not about what is legal, it is what is best for the community, if we all give back then we can all reap the benefits, the only losers are those in redmond
[07:44] <nix000> bob2, ok ... what is the project anyway ?
[07:44] <Skaaa> in the mail my friend got a box of like 100 cds
[07:44] <Skaaa> of warty
[07:44] <bob2> nix000: bazaar.canonical.com
[07:44] <Skaaa> and gave me one cause i needed an OS for the comp i built out of broken computers
[07:44] <Skaaa> i used an install cd
[07:44] <Tugg> if the big nix's like redhat, debian, suse never contributed back then we wouldnt be using ubuntu today
[07:44] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK, put the CD you used into the machine
[07:45] <claint> bob2: ok, now to come back to the XF86Config thingie. you have said that the hoary doesnt use it. seems like my warty's not using it as well. so where/how do you set your resolutions/X now?
[07:45] <Skaaa> oh wait now, it didnt find the boot CD either, my mother board is having a problem im guessing
[07:45] <tomas-> yeah, its purely linking, but where do you draw the line? can it be distributed in the same binary .tgz file? can it reside in the same directory on the server? must it be different servers? no matter what, there is no MORE profit taken from the work that the original authors of the GPL software did, whether bundled in the same downloadable file versus installed from separate files, separate servers
[07:45] <Skaaa> this is a harware issue i think
[07:45] <claint> bob2: or could you give me a link.... about it.
[07:45] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Hrm, sounds like.
[07:45] <stephen_> hi, how do i mount my usb hard drive?
[07:45] <stephen_> it's a USB HD
[07:45] <Tugg> tomas-, you dont have to bundle it you just have to offer it
[07:45] <Jimbob> Skaaa: (of course, I've no idea :-))
[07:45] <tomas-> Tugg, yeah well then why not make it easy for all the software people at microsoft to start up their own small businesses using GPL?
[07:46] <tomas-> Tugg, huh?
[07:46] <Tugg> like if I sent you an email and said, can I get the sorce you use, you would be like sure here it is
[07:46] <stephen_> can someone help me?
[07:46] <bob2> claint: nevermind
[07:46] <tomas-> Tugg- not the code i wrote, but the libraries i use, sure
[07:46] <nix000> bob2, i have an itch to scratch about code revisions based on relational databases. never had the time so far.
[07:46] <Skaaa> i pulled an "open-the-box-and-unplug-everything-then-plug-it-bck-in"
[07:46] <claint> bob2: what?
[07:46] <bob2> tomas-: the line is drawn at whatever copyright law considers to be derivation
[07:46] <stephen_> Mouting a USB hard drive............. How do i do?
[07:46] <Skaaa> oit appears to be working.
[07:46] <Skaaa> and AHEM
[07:46] <Skaaa> no
[07:46] <Tugg> tomas-, if they want to start dumping money into linux then that would be great, look at novell
[07:46] <Jimbob> Skaaa: where "working" == "booting into linux"?
[07:46] <bob2> tomas-: it's believed that linking crosses that line, but it hasn't yet gone to court, so no one really knows
[07:47] <Tugg> but the GPL MAKES them give what the take back
[07:47] <bob2> claint: nevermind.  hoary uses X.org, which uses a different config file.  warty uses xfree86, which uses the file you have.
[07:47] <Tugg> that is why we have the GPL
[07:47] <stephen__> how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu?
[07:47] <Skaaa> "working" == does not display message "I hate you louie"
[07:47] <Tugg> so you cant take and not give
[07:47] <nix000> bob2, the closest i came across was from stellation an eclipse hosted project
[07:47] <Skaaa> ok boot CD is working
[07:47] <Jimbob> Uh, OK
[07:47] <stephen__> how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu??
[07:47] <claint> bob2: hmmm, odd, because i am not getting the resolutions in the file.
[07:47] <Skaaa> hard drive isnt
[07:47] <Jimbob> Ok
[07:47] <stephen__> how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu?!
[07:47] <crimsun> stephen__: pmount stuff
[07:48] <crimsun> stephen__: or just plug it in
[07:48] <stephen__> pmount what?
[07:48] <Tugg> thats why companies like netgear are in getting sued by the FSF, because they used GPL code and dont release the source
[07:48] <bob2> nix000: monotone uses sqlite
[07:48] <crimsun> stephen__: pmount /dev/sda1 stuff
[07:48] <stephen__> FUCKING WROTE THIS DOWN and GAY ASS Computer SAY it can go bye bye
[07:48] <bob2> stephen__: stop it
[07:48] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK, when the little "boot" prompt comes up on the CD, type expert
[07:48] <Skaaa> okay
[07:48] <stephen__> do u kno whow to?
[07:48] <tomas-> this is honestly a nightmare, not that gpl is horrible, its just got some confusing logic to it that just doesnt make sense in some situations..sometimes reality can steer away from intentions and turn to hell
[07:48] <stephen__> it involed using the windows folder
[07:48] <Skaaa> thats going to happen in a second i think
[07:49] <stephen__> started with pmount
[07:49] <crimsun> stephen__: does it not appear when you simply plug it in?
[07:49] <stephen__> sda5
[07:49] <stephen__> No
[07:49] <crimsun> stephen__: then pmount /dev/sda5 stuff
[07:49] <bob2> tomas-: anyway, you're way better off asking the FSF or opensource.org.  good luck.
[07:49] <stephen__> Of CouRsE nOt it never Has only in XP
[07:49] <stephen__> i dont know that STUFF
[07:49] <tomas-> Tugg, so netgear releasing the source of the GPL stuff they have, or their OWN proprietary work?
[07:49] <bob2> stephen__: please chill out
[07:49] <stephen__> K
[07:49] <bob2> claint: it turns out to not be as good an idea as you'd think
[07:49] <Tugg> tomas-, if you dont like the gpl then dont use the software, just like I dont like how microsoft puts limits on the use of there software, so I dont use it
[07:49] <claint> general questions then: in warty, would anyone care to guess why i get different lowres that i have in my XF86Config file? I have updated ...
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Anyways, when it starts doing the "installer" stuff, hit CTRL+ALT+F2 -- it should say something like "Hit enter to start this console"
[07:50] <stephen__> i had to make a windows folder
[07:50] <claint> bob2: using xorg you mean?
[07:50] <Skaaa> okay
[07:50] <stephen__> i dont know
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> claint,  sure its not looking at the xorg.conf file?
[07:50] <stephen__> ANYONE
[07:50] <bob2> tomas-: they comply with the GPL by releasing any GPL software they modify or link with
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Hit enter
[07:50] <Skaaa> i passed it before, now its doing expert
[07:50] <Tugg> they have to release all gpl source code AND any modifications and changes made to that code
[07:50] <bob2> claint: bah, sorry, not you
[07:50] <bob2> stephen__: chill out, jeez
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok
[07:50] <bob2> stephen__: ranting and raving will encourage people to not bother trying to help you
[07:50] <tomas-> alright then, its been a nice, confusing talk
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Anyways, when you get to the little "busybox#" prompt on the F2 console, lemme know
[07:50] <Tugg> if you take program foo (that is gpl) and change the code in it, you have to give all that back
[07:50] <stephen__> It's late... had a few drinks
[07:51] <claint> Dr_Willis: i think i got xfree.
[07:51] <bob2> nix000: turns out to not be as good an idea as you'd think
[07:51] <bob2> stephen__: so, your question is "How do I mount a USB hard drive under warty?"?
[07:51] <nix000> bob2, what is the issue(s) ?
[07:51] <Skaaa> i think im there....
[07:51] <claint> Dr_Willis: it is warty.
[07:51] <Tugg> if you use program foo then write program bar to work along side it (with out changing foo) then you can keep bar but you have to release foo
[07:51] <Skaaa> it says "Load SCSI Modules?"
 IT involded a folder i created called windows, sda5, ntfs
[07:52] <nix000> bob2, even rational clearcase uses a db i heard . and its a darn prove it works to me.
[07:52] <bob2> stephen__: does the disk have NTFS or HFS filesystems?
[07:52] <Skaaa> uhhhh
[07:52] <Skaaa> not sure
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> a usb drive should show up (check dmesg output) as a scsi device. ie : sdb, sdc, and so on..  you should be able to manually mount the thing wherever you want.   the auto-mounting serivices may be getting confused.
[07:52] <stephen__> NtFs
[07:52] <bob2> nix000: rational is kinda massively over-engineered, tho
[07:52] <Skaaa> but alt ctrl f2 did not give response
[07:52] <bob2> stephen__: so, that's a pain in the arse, and willo only be usable read-only in ubuntu
[07:52] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[07:52] <bob2> stephen__: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt"
[07:52] <Jimbob> Ok, hit "enter" through the prompts up to the "partition the disk" one
[07:53] <stephen__> ..? folder cannot be displayed
[07:53] <stephen__> the fook
[07:53] <Jimbob> (Don't hit enter on the "partitioning" prompts, that'll overwrite the installation you've already got)
[07:53] <nix000> bob2, expensive as well ... we had sales guys doing a demo for us .. and i was sold.
[07:53] <stephen__> hmm
[07:53] <stephen__> really?
[07:53] <stephen__> sec
[07:53] <stephen__> wtf
[07:53] <Skaaa> it asked me a lot of floppy disk stuff
[07:53] <stephen__> no it didn't work
[07:53] <Skaaa> i said no for all
[07:53] <stephen__> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt no
[07:53] <Jimbob> That's fine
[07:54] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Make sure you do "load the IDE modules"
[07:54] <stephen__> it says already mounted
[07:54] <claint> Dr_Willis: i am also using the nvidia drivers as well.
[07:54] <Skaaa> do i want to configure my console keyboard?
[07:54] <bob2> stephen__: is it already mounted?
[07:54] <stephen__> wow
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> try the 'mount' command and see where its mounted to..
[07:54] <nix000> bob2, you could script your way through evrything
[07:54] <stephen__> this is really screwed
[07:54] <stephen__> nevermind
[07:54] <stephen__> now it's mounted in the mnt folder?
[07:54] <bob2> nix000: sure, you can script baz/tla/monotone, too
[07:54] <stephen__> he eh he wow
[07:54] <stephen__> wtf
[07:54] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Sure
[07:54] <bob2> stephen__: yes
[07:54] <stephen__> thank u
[07:54] <stephen__> how i create a direct shortcut to the foldeR?
[07:54] <stephen__> u know
[07:54] <bob2> nix000: using a relational DB doesn't buy you much, tho
[07:55] <bob2> nix000: it seems peple mostly just like it because they already have DB backup stuff going on and want to make use of it
[07:55] <nix000> bob2, can you turn off changes mades by so and so between these dates ?
[07:55] <stephen__> how do i make it so i dont have to be root to look at the foldeR?
[07:55] <claint> stephen__: ln -s /mnt/wherever /myshortcut
[07:55] <Skaaa> i bet the problems were from the simple fact that i switched the mouse from a USB to that other kind
[07:55] <Skaaa> cause its just reconfiguring everything
[07:55] <claint> stephen__: when you mount, mount with -o user,umask=000 option
[07:55] <bob2> nix000: sure
[07:56] <corza> hey guys i'm having a problem with my intellimouse explorer i changed some settings in the .conf file and my wheel goes back and forward and my back and forward buttons scroll.. how can i fix that?
[07:56] <bob2> nix000: unmerge their changes
[07:56] <stephen__> so? what do i typE?
[07:56] <bob2> stephen__: chill
[07:56] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Umm, that should've have broken the HDD, that's a totally different part of Linux.
[07:56] <claint> stephen__: what are you typing now?
[07:56] <stephen__> umm
[07:56] <bob2> stephen__: sudo mount -o remount,umask=002 /mnt
[07:56] <Tugg> anyone notice no one ever talks in the kubuntu channel?
[07:56] <stephen__> hmm
[07:56] <Skaaa> i know, but its not like it said "Hard Drive Error" it said no OS found on any device
[07:56] <stephen__> na
[07:56] <stephen__> same
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> Tugg,  yea i noticed that also..
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:56] <corza> could someone help me out with my mouse?
[07:56] <stephen__> i cant few
[07:56] <nix000> bob2, its not merging . its filtering changes so that you only checkout what you need.
[07:57] <Skaaa> well, either way, its now in the desktop
[07:57] <sono> crimsun: hi again. I did what you told me. Was the usb card which produced the GDM drums... but...
[07:57] <claint> Dr_Willis: you got any ideas on my problem?
[07:57] <stephen__> grrrfe
[07:57] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok
[07:57] <nix000> bob2, and it canbe based on dates and users and whatnot
[07:57] <bob2> nix000: why would you want to exlcude someone's changes?
[07:57] <bob2> nix000: ie, why wouldn't you need them?
[07:57] <stephen__>  sudo mount -o remount,umask=002 /mnt still can't see my hd.
[07:57] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Open a terminal window (Applications->System Tools->Terminal)
[07:57] <stephen__> i know
[07:57] <stephen__> i turn off hard drive
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> claint,  not really.. ive noticed that i seem to have the same issue.. not sure whats going on...
[07:58] <sono> ...thereafter, when showing the splash screen, Sound went corrupted, and every single sound during the gnome session was corrupted as well.
[07:58] <nix000> bob2, there is always was one guy you want to avoid  :-)
[07:58] <DragoraN> hi
[07:58] <Jimbob> Skaaa: When it's up, type "cd /dev && ls" (no quotes)
[07:58] <crimsun> sono: describe "corrupt"
[07:58] <claint> Dr_Willis: but you got xorg/hoary right?
[07:58] <stephen__> how i mount agian
[07:58] <DragoraN> what channel shall i visit about wireless things?
[07:58] <claint> DragoraN: #wireless
[07:58] <Skaaa> done
[07:58] <bob2> nix000: in every other system I know of, you'd just not merge changes from them
[07:59] <bob2> stephen__: lord
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> claint,  i got soo many different machines its scary.. Im useing xorg on that one I do belive. :P
[07:59] <bob2> stephen__: I already told you, scroll up
[07:59] <stephen__> i know
[07:59] <stephen__> it mounted
[07:59] <stephen__> but i can't access
[07:59] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Is there an "ide" entry, or an "hda" entry?
[07:59] <stephen__> damn it
[07:59] <sono> crimsun: only noise is coming out...
[07:59] <stephen__> how do u log in as root ?
[07:59] <sono> crimsun: noise everytime a sound is produced
[07:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> anyone else here use both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> claint,  actually now that you mention it.. its the SUSE box im haveing the issue with.. could be theres more then 1 config  that X is useing.. or it may be skipping that part of the config file.
[08:00] <stephen__> how do u log in as root ?
[08:00] <bob2> stephen__: blah
[08:00] <Skaaa> it said bash: 1s: command not found
[08:00] <bob2> stop talking, jesus
[08:00] <stephen__> bob2:blahblahblah
[08:00] <nix000> bob2, sometimes the changes are already merged in a tree. and you want to make sure who is the cultprit today. avoiding their changes is a good thing.
[08:00] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Sorry, "LS" (lowercase)
[08:00] <bob2> stephen__: sudo mount -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:00] <claint> Dr_Willis: that is not so good.
[08:00] <bob2> stephen__: please stop being a dick to people helping you
[08:00] <sono> crimsun: very peculiar noise, as if the bitrate were wrongly interpreted by the card...
[08:00] <Skaaa> oh my bad man
[08:00] <bob2> nix000: I don't see how that could work
[08:00] <stephen__> lol
[08:00] <DragoraN> thx
[08:00] <Jimbob> Skaaa: "ls" == "list"
[08:00] <bob2> nix000: since later changes by other people could depend on it
[08:00] <stephen__> sudo mount -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:00] <stephen__> mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist
[08:00] <claint> Dr_Willis: what is the xorg config file in ubuntu? xorg.conf?
[08:00] <Jimbob> Skaaa: It's like "dir /w" in DOS
[08:01] <Jimbob> (or the Win** cmd prompt)
[08:01] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, yes
[08:01] <Skaaa> ok THAT worked
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> claint,  yes.
[08:01] <syn-ack> as a matter of fact, dir is a symlink to ls
[08:01] <bob2> stephen__: sdb5, perhaps
[08:01] <stephen__> bi
[08:01] <stephen__> no
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> claint,  actually it looks for several but i belive thats the first it looks for.
[08:01] <Skaaa> lots of yellow on black text as well as some cyan on white
[08:01] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Look for an item called "ide" or "hda"
[08:01] <sono> crimsun: could it be a gconf2 related issue? as the sound works perfectly at gdm?
[08:02] <Jimbob> Skaaa: You can search that output by doing "ls | grep (hda.*|ide)"
[08:02] <stephen__> What Could I Try
[08:02] <dmn> anybody know which software can check grammar? i've aspell to check spelling.
[08:02] <Jimbob> erm, sorry, ""ls | grep '(hda.*|ide)'"
[08:02] <Skaaa> have a hda
[08:02] <Jimbob> Ok, groovy
[08:02] <Skaaa> no ide though, just ida
[08:02] <bob2> stephen__: Not Using Camel Case
[08:02] <claint> Dr_Willis: ok, ill be back, will try a few things. thanks.
[08:02] <nix000> bob2, in terms of performance even. did you do any kind of comparison between monotone and arch ?
[08:03] <stephen__> what?
[08:03] <stephen__> i dont know what that is
[08:03] <Jimbob> hda == the physical drive that C is on
[08:03] <crimsun> sono: doubt it has anything to do with gconf
[08:03] <stephen__> using ubuntu
[08:03] <bob2> stephen__: look in /var/log/messages and see what the device is called
[08:03] <Jimbob> erm, "C:\"
[08:03] <Jimbob> That is
[08:03] <stephen__> ok
[08:03] <crimsun> sono: pgrep esd
[08:03] <Jimbob> (in windows-eese :-))
[08:03] <Skaaa> i got that though
[08:03] <sono> crimsun: i see
[08:03] <Skaaa> :-p
[08:03] <Skaaa> so what now?
[08:03] <stephen__> where i post?
[08:03] <bob2> stephen__: post what? read the file yourself.
[08:03] <sono> crimsun: 9684
[08:03] <arnaud> is there a way to switch between ati's opengl lib and xorg's gl libs ? (like gentoo's opengl-update)
[08:03] <stephen__> i dont understand
[08:04] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Does it have stuff like hda1, hda2, hda3, etc.? (lemme know how high the numbers go)
[08:04] <bob2> arnaud: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:04] <stephen__> and it dont tell me
[08:04] <arnaud> bob2, thanks
[08:04] <bob2> stephen__: you don't know what "read that file" means?
[08:04] <stephen__> i says localhost kernal
[08:04] <stephen__> and  bunch of numbers
[08:04] <bob2> dude
[08:04] <crimsun> sono: ok, please pkill esd
[08:04] <bob2> nevermind then
[08:04] <bob2> nix000: I haven't, but walter landry did...one sec
[08:04] <Skaaa> goes to hda9
[08:04] <sono> done crimsun.
[08:04] <crimsun> sono: got a mp3/ogg vorbis/wav file handy?
[08:05] <sono> yep
[08:05] <sono> both
[08:05] <Skaaa> but has like a bunch of hdb's
[08:05] <stephen__> there a way to retrieve deleted files on linux?
[08:05] <Skaaa> and even hdc's and up through hdf's
[08:05] <crimsun> sono: ok, for an mp3, you'd do: mpg123 -s foo.mp3 | aplay -Dplughw:0,0 -f cd -
[08:05] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok
[08:05] <sono> ready, here I have an OGG crimsun.
[08:05] <bob2> stephen__: depends on the filesystem type
[08:05] <stephen__> NTFS
[08:06] <sono> ok, an mp3 crimsun. hold a sec.
[08:06] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The prompt, does it have a "#" or a "$" char on it?
[08:06] <bob2> stephen__: then no
[08:06] <crimsun> sono: ogg123 -dwav -f- -- foo.ogg | aplay -Dplug:hw0,0 -f cd -
[08:06] <Jimbob> s/on/in/
[08:06] <Skaaa> $
[08:06] <bob2> stephen__: presumably windows has tools for that
[08:06] <Jimbob> Ok, type "sudo -s"
[08:06] <stephen__> what?
[08:06] <Jimbob> When it prompts you for the password, try hitting enter
[08:06] <bob2> stephen__: if you want to undelete something from an NTFS disk, use windows
[08:06] <crimsun> sono: ack, that'd be -Dplughw:0,0
[08:06] <stephen__> i can't remember
[08:06] <Skaaa> now it has a #
[08:06] <stephen__> I dont want to undelete
[08:06] <stephen__> I want to access it
[08:07] <Skaaa> no password asked
[08:07] <bob2> stephen__: lord
[08:07] <bob2> stephen__: you seem very confused
[08:07] <stephen__> but i can't because of the gay root thing
[08:07] <bob2> god, stop it
[08:07] <stephen__> stop what
[08:07] <bob2> being so damn annoying
[08:07] <bob2> if you're drunk, go away and come back tommorow
[08:07] <arnaud> bob2,  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, that's not what I wanted ... I know how to install these drivers
[08:07] <corza> hey guys could anyone help me out with my mouse???
[08:07] <stephen__> i am not drunk
[08:07] <bob2> if you're just like this all the time, then me
[08:07] <bob2> h
[08:08] <KOXAKI> can anybody help me?
[08:08] <KOXAKI> here
[08:08] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, you're now root, type "mkdir /media/hda1 /media/hda2 /media/hda3 /media/hda4"
[08:08] <arnaud> bob2, I need a way to switch from fglrx to oss drivers without the need to uninstall fglrx drivers
[08:08] <corza> i'm having trouble with my intellimouse explorer mouse could anyone help me?
[08:08] <stephen__> Yo, how u login as root
[08:08] <stephen__> username is root? admin? administartor?
[08:08] <Jimbob> stephen__: "sudo -s"
[08:08] <corza> stephen__ : sudo -s
[08:08] <bob2> stephen__: good god
[08:08] <stephen__> lol
[08:09] <stephen__> what that do
[08:09] <stephen__> sudo -s?
[08:09] <Skaaa> jimbob, not past 4?
[08:09] <corza> it logs u in as root
[08:09] <bob2> stephen__: man sudo
[08:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> arnaud, fglrx are video... oss are sound
[08:09] <stephen__> sudo?
[08:09] <Jimbob> Skaaa: May not have to
[08:09] <corza> so that you can piss around with ur machine stephen
[08:09] <stephen__> ok
[08:09] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, so, oss video drivers like open source software vide drivers
[08:09] <Jimbob> Skaaa: What I'm trying to do is find where your "/boot" is
[08:09] <stephen__> so i type in sudo -s in terminal as root? or not as root?
[08:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> that is the DRI driver
[08:10] <nix000> lol
[08:10] <corza> umm taht changes u to root stephen
[08:10] <arnaud> ok, but the free one
[08:10] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Typically on a fresh install it'll be in /dev/hda1 (the first partition on the first drive)
[08:10] <Skaaa> didnt really do anything
[08:10] <corza> it changes from normal user to root
[08:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> why do you need to switch?
[08:10] <Skaaa> read the drive for a while, i could tell by the sound it made, then nothing happened
[08:10] <stephen__> o u mean in terminal SU root thingy?
[08:10] <corza> could anyone help me out with my mouse?
[08:10] <stephen__> ya i can access my hd from terminal
[08:10] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Yeah, in linux shells, silence == success
[08:10] <corza> stephan__: yes
[08:10] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, because some things work with fglrx driver, and some only with kernel's dri
[08:10] <crimsun> sono: do either/both work?
[08:10] <stephen__> i want to access it literally
[08:11] <stephen__> so i can CLICK my Movies
[08:11] <Skaaa> im used to pretty much the opposite
[08:11] <Skaaa> heh
[08:11] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Type "ls /media" to see that it created a bunch of directories
[08:11] <corza> stephen__: type "sudo -s" it'll ask u for a password when u type it in it'll get u to root
[08:11] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, privateer remake for exmple won't work with fglrx :(
[08:11] <Skaaa> thank god you are helping me
[08:11] <stephen__> I know
[08:11] <corza> could anyone help me with my mouse?
[08:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> you could just have to xorg.conf files and switch those
[08:11] <stephen__> then what?
[08:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> two
[08:11] <stephen__> i been in root for long time
[08:11] <corza> dunno i dont even know what ur talkin bout lol i'm just helping u
[08:11] <stephen__> can i change my folder settings
[08:12] <stephen__> so i can be a ADMIN / ROOT so i dont gotta be in console and type sudo -s?
[08:12] <Jimbob> Skaaa: np
[08:12] <Skaaa> when i typed that, it shows hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 in a bluish color
[08:12] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, the problem is that special libraries are needed for ati's opengl and those libs don't work with DRI driver
[08:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> one xorg.conf could be for the DRI, the other for glrx
[08:12] <Jimbob> Yeah, the blue is the "folder" color
[08:12] <stephen__> this is beyond bull sit
[08:12] <Skaaa> ok
[08:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> well they all load at boot
[08:12] <stephen__> i go to cd /mnt in terminal works but i cant access folder because i have to many spaces
[08:12] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, type "mount"
[08:12] <sono> crimsun: ok.  it is working pretty good
[08:12] <corza> could someone help me out with my mosue??
[08:12] <stephen__> i try to access it my going my computer doesn't work
[08:13] <corza> mouse even
[08:13] <stephen__> how do i fix
[08:13] <sono> crimsun: I mean, with the ogg streaming directly
[08:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> if you switch the conf files then restart x it should work
[08:13] <Skaaa> done
[08:13] <Skaaa> (not silence)
[08:13] <arnaud> no
[08:13] <Jimbob> It should have a bunch of lines like "/dev/hda3 on / type xfs (rw)"
[08:13] <crimsun> sono: ok, so the card is fine, and alsa's fine, so something in esd is causing issues
[08:13] <stephen__> here u want this?
[08:13] <Skaaa> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:13] <sono> i see
[08:13] <stephen__> i just playing around and type in mount and i get this
[08:13] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, fglrx sets symlink from /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa
[08:13] <stephen__> mount
[08:13] <stephen__> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:13] <stephen__> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[08:13] <stephen__> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=stephen)
[08:13] <stephen__> /dev/sda5 on /mnt type ntfs (rw,umask=002)
[08:13] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, and that's why it doesn't work
[08:13] <stephen__> wtf that is
[08:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> oh
[08:14] <stephen__> FUCK U BILL GATES!
[08:14] <Skaaa> no it has a few lines like proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:14] <Jimbob> stephen__: Please, dude, restrain yourself.
[08:14] <crimsun> sono: ok, try starting esd manually, and in another Terminal, execute: mpg123 -o esd foo.mp3
[08:14] <bob2> Skaaa: please stop it
[08:14] <bob2> bah
[08:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> well then, you could write a shell script that changes it
[08:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> then run the shell script
[08:14] <stephen__> U got any ideas Jimbob?
[08:14] <Jimbob> Skaaa: (he didn't mean you, he meant stephen__)
[08:14] <Skaaa> what did i do bob?
[08:14] <Skaaa> ok
[08:14] <bob2> nix000: sorry, can't find the benchmarks
[08:14] <stephen__> what?
[08:14] <stephen__> lol
[08:14] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, gentoo has an opengl-update that changes the target of the symlinks ... I wanted to know if something like that existed for debian, ubuntu
[08:14] <bob2> Skaaa: sorry, didn't mean you
[08:14] <stephen__> o ya
[08:14] <stephen__> bob2
[08:14] <Skaaa> ok
[08:14] <stephen__> here
[08:14] <stephen__> The guy here
[08:14] <stephen__> pbrode or something
[08:14] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, sure, do you use dri drivers ?
[08:15] <nix000> bob2, what was the summary ?
[08:15] <stephen__> and mnt point was /windows
[08:15] <stephen__> WHAT is that?
[08:15] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:15] <Skaaa> jimbob: no it didnt have what you said, it had proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:15] <sono> ok crimsun, here I go
[08:15] <stephen__> and it had Ntfsand stubb
[08:15] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah i use dri
[08:15] <bob2> stephen__: dude, keep yourself under control or go
[08:15] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, that's it?
[08:15] <stephen__> WHAT!
[08:15] <stephen__> i do nothing
[08:15] <Skaaa> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[08:15] <bob2> stephen__: you're being obnoxious and annoying
[08:15] <stephen__> fuck u
[08:15] <Skaaa> then
[08:15] <nix000> lol
[08:15] <stephen__> dam it
[08:15] <stephen__> bad computer
[08:15] <stephen__> feel sorry for myself
[08:15] <stephen__> dunno y
[08:15] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, so could you send me a ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 please
[08:15] <stephen__> i know
[08:16] <stephen__> can i try a different mount point?
[08:16] <stephen__> like /windows
[08:16] <bob2> stephen__: that won't help
[08:16] <nix000> lol@stephen
[08:16] <stephen__> nix000 go to heaven
[08:16] <__mwylde> How would one mount an NTFS filesystem as writable?
[08:16] <bob2> __mwylde: you can't
[08:16] <stephen__> it might
[08:16] <stephen__> because BOB2
[08:16] <nix000> stephen__, what you want to do man ?
[08:16] <bob2> __mwylde: unless you use captive-ntfs
[08:16] <__mwylde> why not?
[08:16] <stephen__> My FRAKEN hard drive to mount
[08:16] <Skaaa> then /sys on /sys type sysfs
[08:16] <Rattboi> bob2: what about captive-ntfs?
[08:16] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Well, the important thing is something like "/dev/blahN on / type..."
[08:16] <Rattboi> oh, ok
[08:16] <stephen__> and i can access it by going computer
[08:16] <stephen__> file system
[08:16] <bob2> __mwylde: because MS doesn't document NTFS, thus linux does not support writing to it
[08:16] <nix000> stephen__, i am not an expert but i'll see what i can do here.
[08:16] <Skaaa> not there
[08:16] <bob2> stephen__: please just stop talking
[08:16] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The "on /" is the important bit
[08:17] <bob2> you're being very very annoying
[08:17] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, and ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1
[08:17] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, that's fine
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: sudo umount /mnt
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: have you done that yet?
[08:17] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Now type "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1"
[08:17] <stephen__> DONE!
[08:17] <stephen__> now what
[08:17] <stephen__> Hd is umounted
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: stop it
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: just shut up for 5 seconds
[08:18] <Jimbob> Skaaa: That says "make the stuff on partition1 of first hard drive available in the /mnt/hda1 directory"
[08:18] <stephen__> does not exsit
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: then find out where your drive is
[08:18] <stephen__> sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:18] <stephen__> mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist
[08:18] <Skaaa> mount point does not exist
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: you will need to read /var/log/messages all by yourself
[08:18] <Jimbob> Oh, sorry, my bad
[08:18] <stephen__> bah wtf is that?
[08:18] <Jimbob> "/media/hda1"
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: turning it off and on was stupif, you shouldn't have done that
[08:18] <Jimbob> Not "/mnt/hda1"
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: because you turned it off and on
[08:18] <stephen__> y
[08:18] <stephen__> i restarted
[08:18] <stephen__> anyway
[08:18] <stephen__> hmm
[08:18] <bob2> god
[08:18] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The up-arrow will allow you to recall previously typed commands, BTW
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: no go away and read that file
[08:19] <stephen__> bob2 the 1 the other guy told me wasn't sudo
[08:19] <Jimbob> Skaaa: (time-saver not having to retype it all)
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: or put it online, your choice
[08:19] <stephen__> it was a P
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: that's nice
[08:19] <syn-ack> stephen__: Linux is not windows, you CANT just shut it off and expect things to work right
[08:19] <stephen__> online
[08:19] <stephen__> where
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: dude, stop it
[08:19] <stephen__> WHERE To post
[08:19] <stephen__> where do i post?
[08:19] <bob2> ok, I'm not going to bother trying anymore, have fun
[08:19] <Skaaa> so its the same command with the one part changed?
[08:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> arnaud, the first doesnt exist
[08:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> the second is this lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-03-17 18:46 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2
[08:19] <arnaud> !
[08:20] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Yeah
[08:20] <syn-ack> bob2: is he reall that clueless? How long have you been trying with this thing?
[08:20] <stephen__> where do i post?
[08:20] <Skaaa> well
[08:20] <bob2> stephen__: > half an hour
[08:20] <Skaaa> it says it is not a valid block device
[08:20] <arnaud> ok and  libGL.so.1.2 plz
[08:20] <stephen__> what?
[08:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> wait never mind
[08:20] <stephen__> here?
[08:20] <syn-ack> bob2: I feel you pain man
[08:20] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Whoa
[08:20] <stephen__> should i post here?
[08:20] <bob2> syn-ack: I don't care if he/she is clueless, it's the obnoxiousness that annoys me
[08:20] <CoRzA> hey guys who can help me out with my mouse??
[08:20] <nix000> bob2, this is sooo funny !
[08:20] <stephen__> syn-ack do u know?
[08:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> the first is this : lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-03-17 18:46 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2
[08:20] <bob2> nix000: hm?
[08:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> I made a typo the first time
[08:20] <stephen__> nix000 do u know?
[08:20] <stephen__> good job!
[08:20] <nix000> bob2, your dialog
[08:21] <bob2> nix000: oh
[08:21] <syn-ack> stephen__: Of course I know.
[08:21] <stephen__> Tell mE please
[08:21] <bob2> stephen__: #flood
[08:21] <Liberal_Tugboat> so they both point to libGL.so.1.2
[08:21] <bob2> (and bah)
[08:21] <stephen__> ok
[08:21] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Try "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hda1"
[08:21] <nix000> stephen__, i have no idea what you want to do.
[08:21] <syn-ack> stephen__: IF you stop being stupid and PAY ATTENTION we can and will help you
[08:22] <crimsun> sono: any luck?
[08:22] <Skaaa> silence (worked?)
[08:22] <stephen__> ?
[08:22] <stephen__> ok
[08:22] <stephen__> i anit being stupid
[08:22] <stephen__> i becoming stuid..
[08:22] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Likely, yes
[08:22] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, yes, and where does libGL.so.1.2 points ?
[08:22] <syn-ack> stephen__: The best thing you can do is be quiet and listen and do ONLY as you are told, things will he a lot more smooth.
[08:22] <stephen__> No more LECTURE :)
[08:22] <EricNeon> jdub
[08:23] <EricNeon> are you here?
[08:23] <jdub> yes
[08:23] <syn-ack> stephen__: Just do as you are asked then. :)
[08:23] <Jimbob> If you type plain "mount" again, it should have a "/dev/hdb1 on /media/hda1 type ext3 (rw)"
[08:23] <jdub> yo Jimbob
[08:23] <EricNeon> I requisition a mailinglist for UbuntuChineseTeam.
[08:23] <Jimbob> Hey jdub
[08:23] <Hippo> No one asking me anything
[08:23] <jdub> EricNeon: yes, it will be done this weekend
[08:23] <Skaaa> yes
[08:23] <EricNeon> ok thank
[08:23] <CoRzA> I was wondering if anyone could help me out with my mouse??
[08:23] <Jimbob> Skaaa: groovy
[08:24] <Hippo> So what I do?
[08:24] <Jimbob> Skaaa: type "ls /media/hda1"
[08:24] <syn-ack> now Hippo as I understand ot, you are trying mount your Hard Disc, correct?
[08:24] <Hippo> No
[08:24] <syn-ack> a/ot/it.
[08:24] <Hippo> My USB HD 80GB
[08:24] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Lemme know if there's a blue "boot" listed there
[08:24] <Liberal_Tugboat> -rw-r--r--  1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-17 00:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[08:24] <Liberal_Tugboat> thats the path
[08:24] <Hippo> It is NTFS
[08:24] <Skaaa> yeah
[08:24] <syn-ack> Hippo: ok
[08:24] <bob2> syn-ack: the problem is actually finding out what device it is from Hippo
[08:24] <EricNeon> we are all waiting for this message
[08:24] <syn-ack> bob2: aha
[08:24] <Hippo> it was SDA5
[08:24] <bob2> since he/she seems incapable of either reading the log or pasting it somehwere
[08:25] <syn-ack> has he checked dmesg?
[08:25] <bob2> and now it's not, because you used the power switch instead of listening to me
[08:25] <syn-ack> ah
[08:25] <Hippo> i paste it
[08:25] <bob2> no, you didn't
[08:25] <Hippo> YA
[08:25] <nix000> loolll
[08:25] <Hippo> that is
[08:25] <bob2> you pasted a useless section from the begginning of the file
[08:25] <Hippo> the
[08:25] <bob2> no, it's not
[08:25] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, oh shit ! it has been delete here :(
[08:25] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Is the CD drive and the hard drive on this computer connected to the same cable?
[08:25] <Hippo> what?
[08:25] <bob2> and stop hitting enter after every word
[08:25] <bob2> Hippo: paste the END of the output
[08:25] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, thanks bye !
[08:25] <Jimbob> Skaaa: physically, that is
[08:25] <Hippo> that is all that is there?
[08:25] <syn-ack> Hippo: do this. dmesg | grep SDA
[08:25] <Skaaa> what do you mean, the same cable?
[08:25] <sono> crimsun: hmmm... the mpg123 -o esd /home/sono/rec/mp3/02.mp3 reports esd as an unknown argument...
[08:26] <jeffr> hey, is there a .deb for the latest version of firefox
[08:26] <bob2> syn-ack: it won't be sda (and SDA will never match)
[08:26] <syn-ack> Hippo: do that with sudo
[08:26] <Hippo> what?
[08:26] <Hippo> sudo  dmesg | grep SDA?
[08:26] <Skaaa> going to the motherboard? no there is a cable for hdds and a cable for cd's
[08:26] <syn-ack> bob2: true
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: blah
[08:26] <Jimbob> Ok
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: paste the last 12 lines from "dmesg" to #flood
[08:26] <syn-ack> Hippo: disreguard that.
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: and do not speak again until you have done so
[08:26] <Hippo> bob2
[08:26] <crimsun> sono: hmm, what about ogg123 foo.ogg ?
[08:26] <Hippo> what is file called?
[08:26] <Hippo> it is in var/log?
[08:26] <Liberal_Tugboat> I figured out the best use for the windows key on my keyboard... open a linux terminal!!
[08:26] <sono> ok
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: "dmesg" is a command
[08:26] <sono> hmmm
[08:26] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Does the HDD cable have two plugs on it?
[08:26] <bob2> KOXAKI: do not /msg people
[08:27] <Liberal_Tugboat> a true "window" into you OS
[08:27] <bob2> KOXAKI: you haven't asked a question yet
[08:27] <Skaaa> yes'
[08:27] <Hippo> i type in dmes and get big line
[08:27] <jeffr> can someone help
[08:27] <Hippo> Wow
[08:27] <bob2> KOXAKI: you are already bugging me
[08:27] <Hippo> what is this?
[08:27] <hou5ton_> None of these are listed in synaptic .. but I need one of them to make the sounds work in xchat:   "aplay", "esdplay", "soxplay", "artsplay"
[08:27] <bob2> KOXAKI: if you have a question, ask it in here
[08:27] <hou5ton_> what do I do?
[08:27] <sono> crimsun: working! hmmm
[08:27] <Hippo> Post dmesg on the flood
[08:27] <jeffr> is there a .deb for firefox 1.02
[08:27] <bob2> hou5ton_: they are all in Ubuntu
[08:27] <sono> crimsun: working with the esd manual start
[08:27] <syn-ack> bob2: I would have him tail it.
[08:27] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Which one is the HDD plugged into, the middle or the end?
[08:27] <KOXAKI> How to burn an Ubuntu Linux Live cd to a cd and make it bootable
[08:28] <jdub> jeffr: hoary already has firefox 1.0.2
[08:28] <bob2> Hippo: run "dmesg | tail -n12" and paste everything it prints out to #flood
[08:28] <bob2> KOXAKI: on windows?
[08:28] <kakalto> BURN
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> KOXAKI, just burn an ISO
[08:28] <Skaaa> middle
[08:28] <bob2> syn-ack: good idea, thanks
[08:28] <KOXAKI> Im using windows xp
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> it is already bootable
[08:28] <Hippo> sb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 3
[08:28] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ahh, that *may* be the problem
[08:28] <Hippo> that is all
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> you got NERO?
[08:28] <Hippo> sb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 3
[08:28] <jeffr> what about for debian>?
[08:28] <hou5ton_> bob2:  then my xchat sounds should be working
[08:28] <jdub> jeffr: i have no idea
[08:28] <crimsun> sono: under Preferences>Sound, is "Enable sound server startup" selected?
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> in options select burn ISO then select the ISO you want to burn
[08:28] <bob2> hou5ton_: but not installed by default
[08:29] <Hippo> How simple only couple words
[08:29] <sono> yep
[08:29] <Skaaa> note that the current configuration of the harware in the box hasnt changed
[08:29] <bob2> Hippo: dude, stop it
[08:29] <Hippo> ??
[08:29] <sono> yep crimsun
[08:29] <bob2> Hippo: fine, do "tail -n12 /var/log/messages" to #flood
[08:29] <crimsun> sono: fresh install of Hoary or dist-upgrade?
[08:29] <KOXAKI> yes i have nero
[08:29] <KOXAKI> for burning it
[08:29] <sono> crimsun: oops... dist-upgrade...
[08:29] <Jimbob> Skaaa: My *guess* is that warty installed to the secondary disk and the BIOS doesn't allow booting off of it.
[08:30] <crimsun> sono: from what?
[08:30] <Jimbob> (since your only disk is on the "secondary" plug on the cable)
[08:30] <Hippo> NOW what?
[08:30] <Skaaa> well i have had this box running as is, the only thing that has changed was the mouse
[08:30] <sono> I worked safely with warty before, crimsun, and then dist-upgraded a month ago.
[08:30] <syn-ack> Hippo: chill out, thats what.
[08:30] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Huh. Strange.
[08:30] <Liberal_Tugboat> futurama time sweeeeeet!
[08:30] <Skaaa> i have the drive pinned out as maseter
[08:30] <Skaaa> master*
[08:30] <BilDo> Alright
[08:30] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok...
[08:31] <Jimbob> Well, /dev/hda* is master
[08:31] <bob2> BilDo: stop changing your nick, it's annoying
[08:31] <BilDo> I stay coool
[08:31] <Jimbob> So Linux isn't seeing it as master.
[08:31] <BilDo> I like BilDo
[08:31] <bob2> BilDo: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:31] <sono> should I dpkg-reconfigure something crimsun?
[08:31] <Liberal_Tugboat> ubuntu, futurama and food all at the same time... almost as good as sex
[08:31] <Skaaa> well there is physical pinout on the back of thr HDD, master vs slave
[08:31] <bob2> BilDo: then paste the WHOLE output to #flood, including what you typed
[08:31] <claint> this is driving me nuts. anyone would have an idea why I am getting nothing but 640x480 instead of my regular resolutions? Why would Xfree _not_ use XF86Config-4, anyone know?
[08:31] <Jimbob> hda == primary master, hdb == primary slave, hdc == secondary master, hdd == secondary lsave
[08:31] <hou5ton_> bob2:  so ... do i just do something like apt-get install aplay
[08:31] <Skaaa> so i should move the hard drive down on th cable?
[08:32] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, are you using Hoary?
[08:32] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: warty
[08:32] <syn-ack> Liberal_Tugboat: No, the XM PCR is better than sex. ;)
[08:32] <BilDo> Hoary Whorey
[08:32] <BilDo> lol
[08:32] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'd try that (and check the BIOS for any funky HDD settings)
[08:32] <bob2> hou5ton_: yeah
[08:32] <BilDo> Hoary the New 1?
[08:32] <Skaaa> so im going to close /dev
[08:32] <Skaaa> and shutdown
[08:32] <Skaaa> ok?
[08:32] <bob2> claint: er, why do you think it's not using it?
[08:32] <BilDo> ok?
[08:32] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, try sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:32] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Yeah, or type "shutdown -h now" from the "#" prompt
[08:33] <Jimbob> Skaaa: That'll work too
[08:33] <CoRzA> could anyone help me with the mouse problem i'm having?/
[08:33] <Liberal_Tugboat> but delete the xfree86conf file first
[08:33] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: ok, giving it a shot.
[08:33] <BilDo> it's 2:33AM amazing
[08:33] <Jimbob> (eventually that's the command that the logout stuff all runs)
[08:33] <bob2> BilDo: turn the drive off.  unplug.  plug.  turn it on.  then paste the output of "tail -n12 /var/log/messages" again to #flood.
[08:33] <BilDo> ok
[08:34] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: ok
[08:34] <crimsun> sono: no, no need to dpkg-reconfigure
[08:34] <joshua__> If I want to get Times New Roman font for firefox, do I need to download it for firefox or for gnome.  Furthermore, how do I download it? =P  Thanks.
[08:34] <bob2> joshua__: install msttcorefonts.
[08:34] <hayden> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition?
[08:34] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'm gonna go for a smoke, I'll be back in about 10 minutes (someone else may be able to help you if it still doesn't work properly)
[08:34] <hayden> in hoary
[08:34] <crimsun> sono: you seem to be triggering an obscure session issue
[08:34] <Skaaa> ok
[08:34] <tomcat> what's a good video player for gnome?
[08:34] <crimsun> sono: unfortunately I'm leaving work now, but I'll be back in 30 mins
[08:34] <BilDo> mplayer
[08:34] <Skaaa> ill be here i am sure
[08:35] <Liberal_Tugboat> joshua__, use synaptic to dl msttfont
[08:35] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: shall I kill X and gdm?
[08:35] <Skaaa> remeber this isnt my original problem
[08:35] <sono> hmmm ok crimsun.  hehe obscure? I see...
[08:35] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, yes
[08:35] <Jimbob> Skaaa: oh, yeah
[08:35] <Skaaa> this is just crap i encountered in between
[08:35] <crimsun> sono: yes, it doesn't happen with fresh installs, only with dist-upgrades from another non-Hoary distro
[08:35] <sono> crimsun: its ok.  i'll try to be here 30 more minutes, but its late in my country...
[08:35] <joshua__> Thanks for the help.  I can use apt-get tho. :)
[08:35] <BilDo> All done
[08:35] <sono> even from Warty crimsun? ok
[08:35] <crimsun> sono: feel free to shoot me an email (crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu)
[08:36] <Liberal_Tugboat> well I just say synaptic cause I dont know the full package name
[08:36] <sono> thank you very much crimsun, I will certainly write an aknowledgement for youat the CD we are producing hehe
[08:36] <tomcat> what's a good video player for gnome?
[08:36] <hayden> gxine
[08:36] <BilDo> mplayer!
[08:36] <elmaya> vlc
[08:36] <tomcat> I don't see mplayer in synaptic
[08:36] <joshua__> I kinda like gxine myself, but vlc is grea ttoo.
[08:37] <Liberal_Tugboat> tomcat... totem is good once you get rid of gstreamer and use xine
[08:37] <joshua__> mplayer is installed by default; isn't it?
[08:37] <syn-ack> tomcat: thats because its not.
[08:37] <bob2> tomcat: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:37] <bob2> joshua__: no way
[08:37] <Liberal_Tugboat> no mplayer by defualt
[08:37] <hayden> nah its not
[08:37] <BilDo> What Now?
[08:37] <elmaya> vlc-gtk
[08:37] <elmaya> ruls
[08:37] <joshua__> O, it's totem.    However, Times New Roman still doesn't show up under firefox's list in preferences.
[08:39] <BilDo> ThANk U for TryInG To HElp. BoB
[08:39] <hayden> Liberal_Tugboat: how can see what the drive is 'called'
[08:39] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: nothing there.....
[08:39] <BilDo> u sure
[08:39] <hou5ton_> bob2:  apt-get is saying it can't find those packages
[08:39] <syn-ack> BilDo: How old are you? 12?
[08:39] <hou5ton_> aplay and esdplay
[08:39] <BilDo> 21
[08:39] <BilDo> 13
[08:39] <syn-ack> BilDo: you could have fooled me.
[08:39] <BilDo> what?
[08:40] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, what does "ls /etc/X11/" give you
[08:40] <joshua__> Don't give him a hard time. =P
[08:40] <BilDo> How i get this HD to work
[08:40] <syn-ack> Holy Christ, you have got to be kidding me.
[08:40] <BilDo> How i get this HD to work, noone
[08:40] <hayden> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition at boot?
[08:41] <joshua__> easy
[08:41] <syn-ack> bob2: Im done with this, I think its hopeless
[08:41] <joshua__> mount /dev/hda or wherever win is
[08:41] <Liberal_Tugboat> hayden, are you trying to write to that drive?
[08:41] <Liberal_Tugboat> cause NTFS writing is a nono under linux
[08:41] <hayden> nah
[08:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> reading is ok
[08:42] <hayden> yep
[08:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> you need to add a line to your fstab