[00:28] <kulelu88> im back now
[00:34] <melodie> :)
[00:41] <kulelu88> teach me some french melodie
[00:43] <melodie> kulelu88 pas maintenant
[00:43] <melodie> je suis occupée, je construis une "Bento Sushi" i386
[00:43] <melodie> kulelu88 teste une Sushi dans une des tes machines ?
[00:47] <kulelu88> je suis occupee = I am occupied :D
[00:47] <kulelu88> je construis uni Bento Sushi i386 = I am building Bento Sushi i386
[00:47] <kulelu88> :D
[05:36] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[06:35] <Kilos> ai! power only came back after 1 am
[06:36] <inetpro> wb oom
[06:36] <inetpro> good mornins
[06:45] <Symmetria> lol
[06:46] <Symmetria> so, a single episode
[06:46] <Symmetria> of the new marvel series
[06:46] <Symmetria> in 4k
[06:46] <Symmetria> = 14gig big
[06:46] <Symmetria> equating to 45mbit/second if you stream it
[06:46] <thatgraemeguy> i'll just have to watch it at work then :D
[06:47] <Symmetria> lol that or download the 1080p version ;p
[06:47] <Symmetria> or the 720p version
[06:47] <Symmetria> I only downloaded the 4k version to test 4k content
[06:48] <Symmetria> honestly though, having now put 1080p vs 4k side by side on two tv's
[06:48] <thatgraemeguy> yeah i have nothing that can play that, nor any display capable of that. so bandwidth kinda irrelevant for now
[06:48] <Symmetria> I honestly believe that 4k just isnt worth it because I can barely see the difference
[06:48] <Symmetria> heh VLC plays it, so does PLEX, its the display/tv you need
[06:49] <Symmetria> and 4k tv's have gotten cheap, you can buy them for under 10k now
[06:49] <Symmetria> (but dont buy LG 4k cheap tv's they are fake 4k, samsung ftw)
[06:49] <thatgraemeguy> yeah there was a nice one on takealot yesterday for 7.5
[06:49] <thatgraemeguy> it was an lg, but not fake
[06:50] <Symmetria> yeah but you gotta be careful
[06:50] <Symmetria> LG claims some of their sets are 4k but they arent TRUE 4k
[06:50] <Symmetria> they do it by mixing resolutions and color palletes
[06:50] <Symmetria> you gotta check the thing can do true 3840x2160 else its "fake" 4k
[06:50] <thatgraemeguy> meh
[06:51] <Symmetria> heh there have been huge fights between samsung and LG over this
[06:51] <Symmetria> but I read the actual standard document and what LG is doing on their cheaper screens is NOT true 4k
[06:51] <thatgraemeguy> at this stage its like researching ferrari vs lambo..... it just isn't worth the effort :)
[06:57] <inetpro> yikes, we really do not need 4k here
[06:57] <thatgraemeguy> no
[06:58] <thatgraemeguy> I'll probably be cruising in a Lambo before we have that kind of bandwidth readily available ;-p
[07:01] <Kilos> morning all
[07:01] <inetpro> even streaming of music eats way too much bandwidth as it is
[07:07] <MaNI> I bet nobody can even tell the difference between 'fake 4k' and 'real 4k'
[07:26] <Kilos> wbb reboot time
[07:26] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[07:26] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[07:26] <Kilos> Maaz botsnack
[07:26] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[07:28] <zipper> Do you guys have this tradition where you stuff your rectum with pumpkin seeds for good luck?
[07:37] <thatgraemeguy> wtf
[08:19] <qwebirc79980> Help! Loaded 14.04 ok and it worked fine. Then l could only login as a Guest, now I only get the Grub command line.
[08:27] <Kerbero> Symmetria: do you maybe have a link to a 4k vid which I can stream
[08:27] <Kerbero> want to test the utwente network :P
[08:28] <thatgraemeguy> there are some 4k videos on youtube
[08:28] <Kerbero> that's a boring sollution
[08:28] <Kerbero> hehe
[08:29] <thatgraemeguy> meh
[08:48] <Kilos> maaz google 14.04 boots to gub command line
[08:48] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu 14.04, 13.10: Boot into Text Mode / Console / Command Line" http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/01/boot-into-text-console-ubuntu-linux-14-04/ :: "UEFI install (14.04) boots to GRUB command prompt, no GUI" http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/145503/uefi-install-14-04-boots-to-grub-command-prompt-no-gui :: "grub2 - Ubuntu 14.04 not booting
[08:48] <Maaz> after error message. /tmp could not ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/453411/ubuntu-14-04-…
[08:48] <Kilos> qwebirc79980 did you see those links
[09:05] <Kilos> ai!
[15:42] <Kilos> hi Cryterion__ grumbug
[15:43] <Kilos> afternoon superfly
[17:12] <Symmetria> wow german shepard pups have very sharp teeth lol, my dumb pup keeps trying to take the socks off my feet, thinks its a big game
[17:12] <Symmetria> but when it sinks those teeth into my feet, ouch
[18:10] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes
[18:10] <Wolfeyes> hi Kilos
[18:10] <Wolfeyes> evening everyone
[18:37] <inetpro> good evening
[18:37] <Wolfeyes> heya inetpro
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: are we not supposed to have a meeting this evening?
[18:38] <Kilos> nope inetpro we decided to skip it in your absence
[18:38] <Kilos> absense
[18:38] <inetpro> Hi Wolfeyes
[18:38] <Kilos> daai ding
[18:38] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:39] <Kilos> we can set up to start going strong in the new year
[18:39] <Kilos> what you think?
[18:39] <inetpro> ai!
[18:40] <Wolfeyes> 9 days away
[18:40] <Kilos> but the way things have been going in the last coupla years things are getting tougher and tougher
[18:40] <Kilos> inetpro why the ai!
[18:40] <Kilos> when we lose you we are lost
[18:41] <inetpro> too many different chat technologies
[18:41] <Kilos> where else are you chatting now
[18:41] <inetpro> each one on a isolated island
[18:41] <Kilos> imo telegram is the best
[18:41] <inetpro> an as well
[18:42]  * inetpro relaxing now
[18:43] <qwebirc67781> I am Jaxon M
[18:44] <Wolfeyes> Hello Jaxon
[18:44] <qwebirc67781> Hi Wolfeyes! I was browsing the Ubuntu forums earlier today and saw the event
[18:45] <qwebirc67781> Got curious and here I am
[18:45] <Wolfeyes> I think that was the event you were talking about Kilos
[18:46] <qwebirc67781> Sorry I'm late. Would you mind giving a brief summary?
[18:47] <Kilos> oh my
[18:47] <Kilos> the meeting?
[18:47] <Wolfeyes> You reffering to the ubuntu meeting Jaxon? Because Kilos was just saying it was postponed until the new year,
[18:47] <Kilos> peeps too busy qwebirc67781
[18:48] <Kilos> but you welcomer to hang out here all the time
[18:48] <qwebirc67781> Oh ok.
[18:48] <Kilos> and if you get an irc client then its easier than coming in from the site
[18:48] <Kilos> snf
[18:48] <Kilos> welcome to ubunt-za
[18:48] <qwebirc67781> How do I change my username?
[18:49] <Kilos> type in /nick new nick
[18:49] <Kilos> inetpro chat to qwebirc67781 `i gotta sleep
[18:50] <Kilos> hi JaxonM
[18:50] <JaxonM> Was there anything on the agenda before I logged in?
[18:50] <Kilos> i dont think so
[18:51] <Kilos> here is the agenda
[18:51] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1MCAbe8
[18:51] <JaxonM> Thanks
[18:53] <JaxonM> The Khayelitsha thing sounds amazing. If only we had something similar for Jhb
[18:54] <JaxonM> Anyway, since I'm new, I may as well introduce myself again... I started using Ubuntu shortly after high school (around 10 yrs ago) and had Canonical send me a bunch of CD's to distribute
[18:56] <JaxonM> I spent hours playing Battle for Wesnoth, and started using Open Office. Till I got Win 7 and pretty much ditched Linux. I got back 2 years ago with Fedora, then OpenSuse and last year started using Ubuntu again
[18:56] <JaxonM> My plan is to attend an LUG or two, and of course join these IRC "meetups"
[19:00] <Kilos> JaxonM you can hang out here everyday all day. often new peeps need help
[19:00] <Kilos> wb superfly
[19:01] <JaxonM> I often need help myself hey.
[19:02] <Kilos> thats why we hang out here all the time
[19:03] <JaxonM> It took me several days to get Android Studio up and running properly on Ubuntu (struggled getting Java properly installed, and configured before thinking of the SDK itself). I had no idea this place even existed.
[19:08] <Kilos> ya for some reason this is the last place peeps find
[19:11] <Kilos> i gota crash guys
[19:11] <Kilos> night all .sleep tight
[19:11] <JaxonM> Good night
[19:11] <Kilos> JaxonM just hang around , others will arrive
[19:12] <Kilos> and dont be a stranger ok
[19:20] <JaxonM> Hello
[19:20] <dekr4ken> hi
[19:20] <Wolfeyes> hey dekr4ken
[19:21] <dekr4ken> havent used irc since the 90's. using weechat on my ubuntu box still trying to figure out the shortcuts
[19:22] <Wolfeyes> I am pretty new myself with ubuntu JaxonM even though I been in and out here for many years, I haven't had a lot of time to play with ubuntu until now, been mostly busy with windows as my clients are all windows orientated.
[19:23] <dekr4ken> jip me too, i shifted my own rig over to ubuntu bout 2 years ago. havent look back since.
[19:23] <dekr4ken> work sending me for rhcsa training in jan in rivonia. not much experience with redhat
[19:24] <Wolfeyes> that sounds cool. at least you getting there
[19:25] <dekr4ken> after 18 failed applications the boss thought i fought enough to get a gap. you servers/support/programming?
[19:26] <Wolfeyes> I work with time and attendance, biometric systems.
[19:27] <dekr4ken> *smiling way above my head
[19:28] <Wolfeyes> it's a little of everything really, but no-where near what the guys do here,or what they capable of. All experience I suppose.
[19:28] <JaxonM> Honestly the major reasons I went back to Windows was the massive support it got from devs (and the games - I had a bad experience with WineX)
[19:29] <dekr4ken> well there are some guys out here that really know their stuff. but time gives opportunity. i try stuff out i see on commandlinefu.com and check how it works and why.
[19:30] <dekr4ken> we (myself and my colleagues) tend to think our sh*t always works sometimes.
[19:30] <Wolfeyes> Kilos was saying last night that there is a whole support just for wine JaxonM, and I was thinking of getting my windows programs to work with it because if I did that I would move away from windows completely.
[19:33] <dekr4ken> some years ago i made our major software in our industry to work on ubuntu (took me a week to get it working), proposed that the guys consider as we would save millions on licensing. i was shooshed as i was proposing the whole microsoft division would need to re-skill or move out. that was the end of it.
[19:35] <Wolfeyes> pity....
[19:37] <dekr4ken> need to run. chat again
[19:37] <dekr4ken> \part
[19:37] <dekr4ken> lol
[19:37] <Wolfeyes> cheers dude
[19:38] <JaxonM> *Internet connection*
[19:39] <JaxonM> How do I permanently keep this username?
[19:47] <Wolfeyes> If I am not mistaken you must register it, but you must keep chatting or the irc server gives it to someone else logging in with it. as long as you registered JaxonM, it stays yours for a time period, I think 3 months after you logged in.
[19:49] <JaxonM> Interesting.
[19:49] <JaxonM> Thanks
[19:50] <Wolfeyes> I am just trying to find out how to register again....
[20:01] <JaxonM> I tried logging in with my Ubuntu account - seems that didn't work
[20:02] <Wolfeyes> JaxonM: do you see your tabs at the bottom?
[20:02] <Wolfeyes> one is freenode....
[20:02] <Wolfeyes> Click on that....
[20:02] <Wolfeyes> to type in that window....
[20:04] <Wolfeyes> then type:  /msg NickServ Register (your password) (your email address) <--- without brackets
[20:06] <JaxonM> I see tabs on the top left corner
[20:06] <Wolfeyes> will have to go to your email to complete the process JaxonM
[20:06] <Wolfeyes> try that then JaxonM, click the one with freenode in.
[20:06] <JaxonM> Only one on the bottom (the chat tab)
[20:06] <JaxonM> Or rather, the chat edit box
[20:06] <JaxonM> Okay..
[20:08] <JaxonM> It actually works!
[20:09] <JaxonM> Slight problem is...I used a test password and email
[20:09] <JaxonM> It says it should expire within 24 hours though, so I'll redo it tomorrow (saved the instructions)
[20:09] <Wolfeyes> lol
[20:09] <Wolfeyes> awesome
[20:28] <superfly> JaxonM: this is IRC, not Ubuntu ;-)
[20:28] <superfly> JaxonM: have you used Steam on Ubuntu recently?
[20:29] <JaxonM> lol
[20:30] <JaxonM> I don't do much gaming hey
[20:30] <JaxonM> I've used Steam on Win 7
[20:31] <JaxonM> Life has been hectic/busy the last few years with my chasing my BSc degree through Unisa and job hopping. Not much gaming there
[20:31] <superfly> Talking of Steam... massive winter sale. 60% off Civ: Beyond Earth.
[20:31] <JaxonM> You do gaming on Ubuntu?
[20:33] <Wolfeyes> heya superfly
[20:33] <superfly> A bit.
[20:33] <superfly> sup Wolfeyes
[20:33] <Wolfeyes> trying to relax.... work been hectic.... will continue with the serer tomorrow
[20:33] <superfly> shhhh don't tell the wife
[20:34] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha ha
[20:34]  * superfly has another 2 games in his inventory
[20:34] <superfly> Steam is bad for your wallet!
[20:35] <superfly> JaxonM: oh, might want to get yourself a real IRC client as well. I think you can use Hexchat on Ubuntu
[20:35] <superfly> Ki<tab>
[20:35] <superfly> darn, he's gone
[20:36] <JaxonM> I'll search for it
[20:36] <Wolfeyes> he is here
[20:36] <Wolfeyes> lol
[20:36] <JaxonM> Though I see nothing wrong with the web interface
[20:36] <JaxonM> Maybe I'm old school
[20:37] <JaxonM> This reminds me of my first experience with the web - the Big Black Box with MWeb
[20:38] <superfly> Anyway, back to the real reason I wanted to log into Steam, to see if I can get Sublevel Zero working decently on my machine.
[20:38] <Wolfeyes> mmmm
[20:39] <Wolfeyes> That looks pretty cool
[20:39] <superfly> Why does TF2 want to update all the time?!
[20:39] <superfly> Wolfeyes: did you ever play Descent back in the day?
[20:39] <Wolfeyes> nope
[20:40] <Wolfeyes> had to much work to do lol, but maybe I will start again.
[20:40] <JaxonM> TBT, I run Win 10 on VBox on Ubuntu, specifically for games (hides)
[20:41] <JaxonM> My days of meddling with WineX, etc are over
[20:41] <superfly> JaxonM: that can't be that great, can it?
[20:41] <JaxonM> With sufficient RAM allocated to the VM, it's okayish
[20:41] <JaxonM> Besides... DX12
[20:42] <superfly> JaxonM: to be honest, I have largely stuck to games that are actually made to run on Linux. I've been able to find most of my games available for Linux.
[20:42] <Wolfeyes> interesting
[20:42] <superfly> Also, I'm quite into my indie games (with a large thanks to the Humble Bundles), so I don't play all those COD and BF3trillion type games
[20:42] <JaxonM> Is there a list somewhere?  I've got another game...
[20:46] <JaxonM> lol
[20:46] <JaxonM> *Looks at Unity*
[20:46] <JaxonM> I need to update my version
[20:47] <Wolfeyes> You running these games through kde superfly?
[20:47] <superfly> Wolfeyes: yes
[20:47] <JaxonM> I only have a single title that I created over a weekend: made to run on Windows and Android
[20:47] <superfly> Wolfeyes: well, you install the Steam client, and then you run that. Done.
[20:48] <Wolfeyes> makes notes
[20:48] <superfly> JaxonM: with Unity you should be able to just "deploy to Linux" and done? At least so I've been told.
[20:52] <Wolfeyes> think he lost connection again
[20:53] <qwebirc47853> Goodness
[20:53] <JaxonM> Goodness
[20:54] <JaxonM> Unstable connection...
[20:54] <Wolfeyes> so it seems
[20:54] <JaxonM> Superfly, what was the name of that app?
[20:54] <superfly> JaxonM: I think it's called hexchat
[20:54] <JaxonM> I'll search for it in Software Centre
[20:55] <JaxonM> Found it
[20:55] <Wolfeyes> superfly: installing wine do you have to agree to some eula license?
[20:55] <superfly> Wolfeyes: no, it's open source
[20:56] <Wolfeyes> Then I have no clue why the package configuartion is asking me to do so now!
[20:57] <Wolfeyes> Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[20:57] <superfly> oh, that's why
[20:58] <superfly> that's not wine, that's the Windows fonts.
[20:58] <Wolfeyes> okay
[20:58] <Wolfeyes> okay
[20:58] <jaxonM_> I will log out of my other account
[20:58] <Wolfeyes> well I was installing wine when it asked for that.
[20:59] <superfly> Wolfeyes: ja, wine asks for those fonts to be installed so that you have a more Windows-like experience ;-)
[21:00] <Wolfeyes> brb
[21:00]  * superfly is going to try to get Sublevel Zero working now
[21:01] <Wolfeyes> lol
[21:05] <jaxonM_> A
[21:07] <superfly> B
[21:08] <Wolfeyes> >W
[21:09] <Wolfeyes> :-P
[21:14] <jaxonM_> I thought I got kicked out
[21:14] <jaxonM_> Turns out that's my other account
[21:15] <jaxonM_> So superfly, what else are you into?
[21:29] <superfly> jaxonM_: lots of stuff
[21:29] <superfly> :-P
[21:30] <Wolfeyes> Have you succeeded superfly?
[21:31] <superfly> Wolfeyes: negative. it doesn't seem to load. I'm going to post in the forums and see if they have some sort of way to generate a debug log
[21:31] <Wolfeyes> mmmm
[21:32] <superfly> played a level in Descent though.
[21:33] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha
[21:33] <Wolfeyes> I will check it out and play when I go to kilos
[21:36] <jaxonM_> What genres are these?
[21:36] <jaxonM_> Seems a lot has changed since my days of CnC
[21:51] <Wolfeyes> wb dekr4ken
[21:51] <Wolfeyes> night everyone


[06:44] <akaradag> hello again, does anyone know ubuntu's automated test method for os installation
[07:00] <jpds_> akaradag: Yes, what about it?
[07:01] <akaradag> good, i am searching a method to test os installation as automatically
[07:02] <akaradag> what is ubuntu's method for that?
[07:02] <jpds_> preseed.
[07:03] <jpds_> Same as Debian.
[07:29] <jibel> akaradag, https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/installation-guide/i386/apb.html
[07:30] <dkessel> good morning
[11:19] <elfy> yay - can install to whole disk again \o/
[17:42] <average_guy> I am chasing a bug I filed #1352905 and have found the solution - dunno wht to do nxt
[17:43] <average_guy> testdrive pulls the iso listed on the manifest, the tracker where is says "Link to download information" does not show the correct link for zsync
[17:44] <average_guy> hence http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/74832/testcases/1337/results
[18:06] <average_guy> jibel or stgraber  ^^  I am told you guys are the ones I should mention this to
[18:10] <balloons> bug 1352905
[18:11] <balloons> average_guy, you can check the image testdrive pulls vs the one you downloaded
[18:11] <balloons> look in ~/.cache/testdrive/iso to find the images
[18:12] <balloons> compare it with what you downloaded.. grab the md5sums and check both
[18:12] <balloons> make sense?
[18:12] <average_guy> i peeked under the hood of testdrive to see how it gets it's img balloons
[18:12] <average_guy> it pulls from the manifest
[18:12] <average_guy> the zsync link does not match
[18:12] <balloons> sure, but the bug is a little confusing.. or I'm confused
[18:13] <balloons> are the images different?
[18:13] <ianorlin> yes but is it same image as it could be a mirror?
[18:13] <balloons> well check the md5's and see
[18:20] <average_guy> they do not match
[18:21] <balloons> i replied to the bug with some questions.. if you can provide the details it should help pinpoint the problem
[18:21] <average_guy> ok
[18:21] <balloons> thanks ;-) and well spotted
[18:22] <average_guy> ty :) am pretty proud of myself. It has been "bugging" me
[18:24] <elopio> balloons: hello.
[18:25] <elopio> balloons: your branch with the fixes for the warning is great, thanks for that.
[18:25] <elopio> balloons: but your test is still no good, because I can't make it fail.
[18:25] <elopio> and I can't find a way to make it work. I've tried all the ways to reload a module I have found.
[18:26] <elopio> balloons: as it's unlikely to regress because we will never touch the emulators module again, I'm ok with removing the test, if you agree that's a good idea.
[18:42] <balloons> elopio, you don't think importing in the testcase works?
[18:42] <balloons> elopio, I am ok with removing it.. it's probably a meaningless test
[18:43] <elopio> balloons: it doesn't work because by the time you hit it, it's already in sys.modules
[18:43] <elopio> so the second time you do the import, the warning is not logged anyway. So the test will always pass.
[18:44] <elopio> it was a good idea to test it, but now we will spend more time trying to get it right than the value we will get out of it.
[18:44] <balloons> elopio, ok fair enough.. I'll just drop it
[18:44] <elopio> I tested it manually, and all your changes solve the issue.
[18:48] <balloons> I removed and pushed
[18:58] <balloons> average_guy, so the tracker it is then?
[18:59] <average_guy> yes balloons, the tracker shows the wrong link for zsync'ing
[18:59] <balloons> average_guy, mmm..
[18:59] <balloons> i think I see the problem actually: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[18:59] <balloons> the manifests are old
[19:00] <average_guy> I didn't even know that cld happen :(
[19:00] <balloons> it's just a bit odd
[19:00] <balloons> I'm confused as well
[19:01] <average_guy> I just know I get 2 diff test results, and dont wanna test everything twice
[19:03] <balloons> average_guy, so testdrive is indeed correct here. This is sort of a weird case
[19:04] <balloons> my guess is the issue is images are not passing the automatic testing and thus the "current" image is out of date from the daily built image which the tracker links to
[19:04] <balloons> heh, though actually that means testdrive is at fault
[19:05] <average_guy> I see
[19:05] <balloons> the trouble is, do we want a result for an image that failed automatic testing; the answer is no, that's why we gate them
[19:05] <balloons> it's just never gotten so out of sync before
[19:05] <balloons> so the issue has never really presented itself
[19:05] <ianorlin> it does say the image is oversized on the testing page
[19:06] <balloons> so technically, on the tracker, you should grab the daily image as listed on the tracker.
[19:10] <average_guy> gotcha balloons, trust the tracker - the manifest is the problem
[19:11] <balloons> yes trsut the tracker.. the problem is that testdrive only grabs known good images.. which is technically what we want you to test
[19:11] <balloons> it's worthy of discussion on the mailing list
[19:11] <balloons> it's an interesting problem to have it carry on and be out of sync


[01:52] <sak> Hello ubuntu hackers. At this time, I am finally readying my machine for our current cadence testing event. I mostly use vbox. Since my CPU does not the hypervisor extension, vbox performance degrades the testing. If all works well, I will be using a physical box for all future ubuntu testing.
[11:22] <senan> Hello
[11:22] <senan> how do I run autopilot tests ?
[11:22] <senan> I've installed autopilot
[11:23] <senan> branched current test cases bzr branch lp:ubuntu-autopilot-tests
[11:23] <senan> but how to run that ?


[12:15] <hjd> I ran across bug 1440726. Could someone please check whether bug 1419780 exists and if it could be made public? :)
[12:17] <TJ-> hjd: 1419780 exists and is private


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[19:54] <kyconquers> I have a user in a group who is creating and editing files. I want the default ownership of those files to be user:group and not user:user. what file should I look in for this?


[02:49] <ScottK> BTW, my schedule changed and I can't make it tomorrow.
[07:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:55] <Riddell> I just threw out my oven, need to get a new one for this grilling
[08:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh noes
[08:56] <apachelogger> better hurry then :P
[08:57] <apachelogger> and how did that creep into the topic again?
[08:57]  * apachelogger squints and goes back to lunchpad
[08:57] <yofel> I added it? It'll fly out later anyway
[08:57] <yofel> after getting burnt to crisp
[08:58] <apachelogger> unless we forget :P
[09:01] <jussi> Happy friday the 13th everyone
[09:03] <Riddell> howard's lucky day
[09:03] <jussi> I hope he hasnt got friggatriskaidekaphobia :D
[09:04] <jussi> (yes, that word is supposedly english, not finnish)
[09:07] <Riddell> it's a western disease, it doesn't exist in China fortunately
[10:13] <smartboyhw> http://hk.digitalfreedomfoundation.org/sfd2013/schedule \o/
[10:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, nice channel topic-.-
[10:19] <smartboyhw> And what is friggatriskaidekaphobia? (I can't get the first part of the word)
[11:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball will smartboyhw become dev today?
[11:17]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?
[11:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: pff
[11:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball am I hungry?
[11:17]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... yes
[11:17] <soee> good morning
[11:17] <apachelogger> yo soee
[11:18] <soee> kubotu, 8ball shadeslayer is not hungry?
[11:18]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for soee ... outlook not so good
[11:18] <soee> ;o
[11:19] <apachelogger> yofel: pingies
[11:19] <yofel> hm=
[11:20] <yofel> ..?
[11:20] <apachelogger> yofel: you did lunchpad branch queries, no? did you get 503/timeouts?
[11:20] <apachelogger> getBranches on neon times out 19/20 times
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Heh, kubotu really knows a lot
[11:21] <apachelogger> oh, actually I wrote the branch moving script
[11:21] <apachelogger> ololo
[11:21] <yofel> hm, it's been a while since I used getBranches on neon
[11:22] <smartboyhw> kubotu: 8ball is apachelogger grumpy?
[11:22]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for smartboyhw ... all signs point to no
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Nice one
[11:22] <yofel> launchpad always has issues with mass data
[11:22] <apachelogger> yofel: apparently it worked for kubuntu-packaging
[11:22] <yofel> there's a branch_checkout.py in the neon tools that uses getBranches too
[11:22] <yofel> and I know that worked
[11:22] <yofel> but I haven't used it in quite a while
[11:23] <yofel> getting the full list of neon recipes did time out 99% of the time in the past but I think they fixed the query
[11:23] <apachelogger> well
[11:23] <apachelogger> oh
[11:23] <apachelogger> kubuntu-packaging only has 100 branches
[11:23] <apachelogger> that would explain it I guess
[11:23] <apachelogger> neon holds 501
[11:24] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, recipes is unusable in general
[11:24] <apachelogger> e.g. if you query recipes on project-neon5 (the project) you get one recipe
[11:24] <apachelogger> even though all branches of project-neon5 are the packaging branches so they are all associated with at least one recipe
[11:25] <yofel> yeah, dunno. You need to query that by owner - but that'll give you like 150 recipes for neon by now
[11:25] <yofel> if it doesn't time out
[11:26] <apachelogger> that if it doesn't time out part is what worries me :P
[11:26] <apachelogger> like if we had 151 recipes, would that still not time out...
[11:26] <apachelogger> well
[11:27] <apachelogger> I think the best option now is to manually query through project-neon5
[11:27] <apachelogger> getBranches -> for each branch get recipe
[11:28] <yofel> lol
[11:28] <yofel> my approach to the issue: http://paste.kde.org/p871d2e93 line 50ff ^^
[11:28] <apachelogger> which actually makes you wonder what project.recipes does that it only returns one recipe, even though it should be like 15
[11:29] <yofel> actually, I think I've seen lazr issues with lists every now and then
[11:29] <apachelogger> yofel: arrr, yeah I thought about link building :P
[11:29] <yofel> like I query all packages in a PPA and after 75 the list simply stops
[11:29] <yofel> it doesn't if I first cache everything into a local list
[11:29] <apachelogger> thought TBH if you start linkbuilding you might just as well rewrite launchpadlib in a sane language using a sane library :P
[11:30] <apachelogger> yofel: meh
[11:30] <apachelogger> well
[11:30] <apachelogger> -> lunch
[11:44] <smartboyhw> -> dinner, will come back soon enough for the meeting
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[12:16] <smartboyhw> back
[12:30] <yofel> tick, tack, tick, tack, tick, tack
[12:30]  * yofel is evil, he knows
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Um, that's longer-.-
[12:31] <smartboyhw> That's certainly shorter!
[12:32] <yofel> even shorter ^^
[12:32] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:33] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that's longer-.-
[12:33] <smartboyhw> (Or is it?)
[12:33] <smartboyhw> alas
[12:33] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:34] <smartboyhw> (bpo = backports)
[12:34] <yofel> erm, that's starting to get riddiculous
[12:34] <smartboyhw> -.-
[12:34] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, no, it's MILESTONED bugs
[12:35] <yofel> hey, like that it looks like we have no bugs :P
[12:35] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that is specificly MILESTONE bugs
[12:35] <smartboyhw> Get on with it
[12:36] <smartboyhw> UH HUM
[12:36] <apachelogger> the fact that we have bugs in the topic to begin with...
[12:36] <apachelogger> actually that's a fun story
[12:36] <smartboyhw> (That's SI unit:P)
[12:36] <apachelogger> because I am reasonable certain 99% of the people working on kubuntu actually think that those are all the bugs we have
[12:36] <smartboyhw> (No it isnt')
[12:36] <apachelogger> or I must assume that
[12:37] <apachelogger> because clearly they have not ever touched the other bugs
[12:37] <apachelogger> ololo
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Anyways
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eaten your lunch yet? (And is it still BST in Scot?)
[12:39] <apachelogger> SST
[12:41] <apachelogger> time must pass quicker; weekend in sight; zomg;
[12:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes my lunch was good thanks and we're still on summer time for now
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, when does it end actually?
[12:48] <Riddell> end of october I think
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, -.-
[12:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic remember
[12:55] <kubotu> unknown command
[12:55] <apachelogger> pff
[12:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: help topic
[12:55] <kubotu> topic add(at)|prepend|del(ete)|replace|sep(arator)|learn|restore|clear|set|undo: manipulate the topic of the current channel; use topic <#channel> <command> for private addressing
[12:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic learn
[12:55] <kubotu> okay then :)
[12:56] <yofel> kubotu: topic restore
[12:56] <kubotu> yofel, you don't have 'topic' permissions here
[12:56] <yofel> :(
[12:56] <smartboyhw> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[12:56] <apachelogger> kubotu++
[12:56] <kubotu> thanks :)
[12:56] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma +1
[12:56] <kubotu> +1 has neutral karma
[12:57] <smartboyhw> ^ That doesn't make sense at all
[12:57] <yofel> it does
[12:57] <yofel> karma counting was turned off though IIRC
[12:57] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma c
[12:57] <kubotu> karma for c: 46
[12:57] <yofel> kubotu: karma kubotu
[12:57] <kubotu> karma for kubotu: 1
[12:57] <apachelogger> no it wasn't
[12:57] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma smartboyhw
[12:57] <kubotu> karma for smartboyhw: 1
[12:57] <yofel> oh ok
[12:57] <apachelogger> it was cleared
[12:57] <yofel> aaaaaah, right
[12:58] <yofel> ~karma
[12:58] <kubotu> karma for yofel: 5
[12:58] <yofel> :D
[12:59] <smartboyhw> ~karma
[12:59] <kubotu> karma for smartboyhw: 1
[12:59] <smartboyhw> ;(
[12:59] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma smartboyhw 3
[12:59] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help karma'
[12:59] <smartboyhw> kubotu: help karma
[12:59] <kubotu> karma module: Listens to everyone's chat. <thing>++/<thing>-- => increase/decrease karma for <thing>, karma for <thing>? => show karma for <thing>, karmastats => show stats. Karma is a community rating system - only in-channel messages can affect karma and you cannot adjust your own.
[12:59] <apachelogger> smartboyhw--
[12:59] <smartboyhw> smartboyhw++
[12:59] <smartboyhw> OK, let's stop playing
[12:59] <yofel> kubotu: karma smartboyhw
[12:59] <kubotu> smartboyhw has neutral karma
[12:59] <yofel> ;P
[12:59] <smartboyhw> -.-
[12:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please start the grilling
[13:00] <smartboyhw> It's now 13:00 UTC.
[13:00] <Riddell> good afternoon friends
[13:00] <Riddell> kubuntu-dev needs to decide if smartboyhw should be let in
[13:00] <Riddell> who's here from kubuntu-dev?
[13:00] <yofel> o/
[13:00]  * smartboyhw pokes Quintasan
[13:01] <apachelogger> not many ^^
[13:01] <Riddell> me and apachelogger and yofel make a quorum anyway
[13:01] <smartboyhw> (Well, technically 3 is enough)
[13:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer? ScottK?
[13:01] <Riddell> debfx?
[13:02] <Riddell> fabo?
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ScottK can't come, I saw in yesterday's logs
[13:02] <Riddell> even Tonio?
[13:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what have you read or gained experience of since we last met?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the Debian Policy Manuals, New library packaging (with symbols and all sort of needed stuff), did 2 NEW reviews for Riddell, looked at the /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk file
[13:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you get an answer to the question of what symbols files are for?
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, determining the shlibs dependencies
[13:05] <Riddell> yeah that's one purpose
[13:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: ping
[13:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what happens if you package a new version and symbols are missing?
[13:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ping upstream, check out the code yourself (just don't remove the symbols without any confirmation)
[13:07]  * smartboyhw prefers 1st option, BTW.
[13:08] <apachelogger> yofel: surely shadeslayer is at the beach sipping a capatain morgan with coke
[13:08] <Riddell> check out the code yourself should be a first option, the symbols might not be public anyway so it might not matter
[13:08] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, we need a tsunami.
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[13:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if it is binary incompatible and upstream doesn't care what else can we do?
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it is source compatible right
[13:10] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah
[13:11]  * smartboyhw doesn't think the answer should be bumping ABIs or something
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[13:12] <Riddell> it could be
[13:12] <Riddell> we have a handy system to do so
[13:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, handy system?
[13:13] <shrinivasan_> hi
[13:13] <shrinivasan_> hope there is a meeting now
[13:13] <shrinivasan_> am i right?
[13:13] <apachelogger> yes
[13:14] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: if you were to bump the soversion, how would you go about that in a kubuntu package? the answer should explain the 'handy system' ;)
[13:14]  * Riddell looks at kde-workspace for the answer
[13:14] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, package naming?
[13:14] <smartboyhw> libfoo1abi1 and libfoo2
[13:14]  * smartboyhw does not think there is any "handy" system
[13:15] <apachelogger> the library is still libfoo1abi1.so.1.0.0
[13:15] <smartboyhw> And break/conflict the former binary incompatible ones?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> (Of course, regenerating symbols for that:P)
[13:16] <apachelogger> as Riddell hinted, have a look at kde-workspace
[13:17] <smartboyhw> The X-Debian-ABI stuff? That isn't handy-.-
[13:17] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:17] <apachelogger> I'll disregard that comment there for your sake
[13:18] <smartboyhw> The best handy thing is that it can be automated, this needs manual editing (LOL)
[13:18] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: what does that field do?
[13:18] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:18]  * apachelogger sighs
[13:18] <apachelogger> x-debian-abi is actual automatic
[13:18] <shrinivasan_> friends
[13:18] <apachelogger> it will change cmake macros such that abiN is appended to the name
[13:18] <apachelogger> thus actually changing the soversion of the library
[13:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, it bumps the SOVERSION and VERSION
[13:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, don't provide the answer, I am typing it-.-
[13:19] <apachelogger> which is why then you can make the package libfoo1 into libfoo1abi1 namewise
[13:20] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: why do we have kdelibs5 in kde4?
[13:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, the SOVERSION become 5?
[13:21]  * smartboyhw condemns the package importer for not working on kdelibs
[13:21] <apachelogger> is that an answer or a question?
[13:21] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, answer.
[13:21]  * smartboyhw likes answering questions in question-style when he is uncertain:P
[13:21] <apachelogger> what causes the need for a soversion bump?
[13:22] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, big library change at an API level
[13:22] <apachelogger> define big please
[13:23] <mikhas> "need to recompile everything that depends on lib and probably also touch code"
[13:23] <apachelogger> not your question :P
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Uh hum
[13:24] <apachelogger> also not a good enough question :P
[13:24] <apachelogger> eh answer
[13:24] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: please give it a shot ;)
[13:25] <shrinivasan_> aaron mailed tht
[13:25] <shrinivasan_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installation
[13:25] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I would rather say that the underlying changes are fundamental (maybe a new dependency e.g. qt4 -> qt5)
[13:25] <shrinivasan_> this docs to be improved
[13:25] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: nope
[13:25] <shrinivasan_> shall we work on as a part of global ubuntu jam
[13:25] <yofel> shrinivasan_: in ~half an hour please, smartboyhw should concentrate on the questions ;)
[13:26] <shrinivasan_> yofel: ok
[13:27] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, because it isn't compatible with previous versions?
[13:27] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: though to be fair, a change from qt4 to qt5 actually asks for a soversion bump, it just doesn't really answer the question ;)
[13:27] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[13:27] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: yes, what is 'it'?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, the library
[13:27] <apachelogger> well, yes, but how does the library beocme incompatible?
[13:28] <apachelogger> (tip: the things listed in the symbols file are highly related to the answer ;))
[13:29] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: any ideas?
[13:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I was tempted to copy things from wikipedia, but that would surely hurt my application-.-
[13:29] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:30] <apachelogger> copy away :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> if it's wrong it will hit you worse though :P
[13:31] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ouch
[13:31] <apachelogger> it = the binary interface(s)
[13:31] <apachelogger> i.e. the symbols
[13:31] <smartboyhw> An API is usually related to a software library: the API describes and prescribes the expected behavior while the library is an actual implementation of this set of rules. A single API can have multiple implementations (or none, being abstract) in the form of different libraries that share the same programming interface. (From wiki)
[13:31] <apachelogger> for example removing an existing function void foo (); in public API would constitute a binary incompatible change
[13:32] <smartboyhw> So, when the implementation of the code goes into another way
[13:32] <apachelogger> when reading upstream (kde) docs you will often encouter BIC or BC respectively binary incompatible change and binary compatible
[13:32] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: many things can cause that
[13:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I rejected tomahawk originally because it had .dll files in it, what's wrong with those?
[13:32] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: next question ... can the binary compatibility of a librayr change without being reflected in the symbols file (removal/change of a line)?
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought .dll files are Windows files -.-
[13:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah they weren't used by us but that's not a problem in itself
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, there is no way to link such dll files?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, no, as far as I can understand. SONAME and SOVERSION must match with the package descriptions
[13:36] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: btw, I think Riddell rejected the *source package*, i.e. the ddls were in the tar
[13:36] <Riddell> right
[13:37] <Riddell> what's wrong with having random binary files in the tar?
[13:37] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: and for your answer: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C%2B%2B#The_Do.27s_and_Don.27ts see don'ts regarding virtual functions ... you can break binary compatibility through new virtual functions for example ;)
[13:39] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, alas, I misread, I thought you are talking about if there is anyway in the control file-.-
[13:39] <smartboyhw> My fault
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, they get regenerated at compile time?
[13:40] <smartboyhw> (Can't link easily)
[13:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no they don't (which is kindae the issue)
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, mmmmmm
[13:42] <smartboyhw> So, since they aren't regenerated
[13:43] <smartboyhw> You can't install them into the usr/ dirs
[13:43] <smartboyhw> (Since they will not show up during dh_install)
[13:43] <smartboyhw> End up flowing somewhere which is forbidden
[13:43] <smartboyhw> (That's my way of thinking it)
[13:43] <Riddell> we can't ship them at all, it's a licence question
[13:44] <apachelogger> (google:dfsg)
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ew
[13:44] <smartboyhw> I thought you are asking it technically-.-
[13:44] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: when installing a new (i.e. not yet installed) package the maintainer script preinst is called with the argument "install" what happens immediately after that if it returns in error?
[13:44] <apachelogger> and that is a technical question :P
[13:45] <apachelogger> (you could also tell me where I would look to find out what happens in that case ;))
[13:47] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, a dpkg configure error shows up, and the package is held and will not be configured. To find out, look at the preinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.preinst
[13:47] <smartboyhw> (I hate --configure errors BTW)
[13:47] <apachelogger> *technically*
[13:47] <apachelogger> what happens *right after* it returns
[13:48] <apachelogger> example: preinst install created a file  /etc/foo and then returned
[13:48] <apachelogger> what happens to /etc/foo?
[13:49] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, /etc/foo stays in there
[13:50] <apachelogger> wrong, also technically the package is not held in not configured
[13:50] <apachelogger> preinst install is at the very beginning so it will be rolled back
[13:50] <apachelogger> immediately following preinst install with error is postrm abort-install
[13:50] <apachelogger> handy option for lookup: https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts
[13:51] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: tell us everything you know about debian/compat please
[13:52] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, debian/compat? It is used to restrict the debhelper compat level
[13:52] <apachelogger> what does that do?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that tells the debhelper which version of build scripts should it use. For example, multiarch support (I mean for autoreconf) can only be used in 9. If you used 8, it will use the v8 scripts
[13:53] <smartboyhw> and should not enable multiarch
[13:53] <apachelogger> does that have practical implications?
[13:53] <apachelogger> say I use compat 3
[13:54] <apachelogger> what could possibly go wrong?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, as far as I know, 1-4 isn't supported-.-
[13:54] <smartboyhw> 5 or above is
[13:54] <apachelogger> what could possibly go wrong?
[13:55] <apachelogger> seeing as there is a compat system I do believe all versions are supported btw :P
[13:55] <apachelogger> otherwise a rant may be in order ;)
[13:55] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, in uploading terms, rejects
[13:55] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, look at man debhelper
[13:55] <apachelogger> no
[13:55] <apachelogger> in build terms
[13:55] <smartboyhw> It's deprecated, main
[13:55] <smartboyhw> *man
[13:56] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, in build terms, you mean if you downgrade a 9 package to 3 or what?
[13:56] <apachelogger> for example
[13:56] <smartboyhw> the overrides in debian/rules might not work
[13:57] <apachelogger> good enough
[13:57] <apachelogger> yofel: any questions?
[13:58] <Riddell> I'm in a quandry, I really want you to be in kubuntu-dev because you've been doing loads of useful stuff, but you've not answered many questions well today
[13:58] <yofel> sorry no, I just got a bunch of paperwork shoved at me at work that needs to be done in ~2.5h
[13:59]  * smartboyhw thinks the world is so broad, you can't expect him to memorize everything
[13:59] <smartboyhw> I got study stuff to memorize here-.-
[14:00] <apachelogger> that's not expected of anyone but one should be able to look it up, i.e. know where to look
[14:00] <apachelogger> but to know that one has to first had the need to look it up originally, so I believe it's just a matter of a experience
[14:00] <yofel> I think I would say that you're missing experience, though I think you've acquired enough to not do anything really stupid anymore
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Experience builds up. It is a matter of whether you think I can be trusted to upload packages without (no or much) stupidness.
[14:03] <smartboyhw> I'm not that stupid as I am 8 months ago
[14:03] <apachelogger> fair enough, if you think you are up to it I'll give you my bonus question :P
[14:03] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, OK sure
[14:03] <apachelogger> Imagine, if you will... upstream releases new versions of Phonon, Phonon-GStreamer and Phonon-VLC two weeks before our release. Upstream urges us to include it in the release regardless as a considerable amount of high impact bugs were fixed. Unfortunately an equal amount of features was also added. All other Kubuntu developers are on vacation^Wmeeting in Munich and unreachable because Germany has terrible connectivity. You are the only one
[14:03] <apachelogger> who could either accept or reject the new Phonons. What do you do? Why do you do it? How do you defend your decision to apachelogger who is known to respond rather badly to any reasoning that conflicts with his opinion?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I would import the patches of all bugfixes into the package and release it. Just don't include the new features
[14:04] <apachelogger> do you think that will work?
[14:04] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: you'd cherrypick correct commits and ensure all is well?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, of course
[14:04] <Tm_T> brave soul we have there
[14:04] <apachelogger> -1
[14:04] <apachelogger> sorry
[14:05] <apachelogger> that was just about the only wrong answer one could give to that scenario
[14:05] <apachelogger> you never ever start cherry picking commits off an upstream feature release without even so much as talk to upstream
[14:05] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, who says I won't talk to upstream, first of all?
[14:06] <apachelogger> you
[14:06] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, no
[14:06] <apachelogger> "<smartboyhw> apachelogger, I would import the patches of all bugfixes into the package and release it. Just don't include the new features"
[14:06] <apachelogger> and I am not going to discuss this
[14:07] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, fine. Your choice.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel: So I'm guessing a -1 from you too?
[14:08]  * Riddell still pondering
[14:08] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, you see, the idea came from a discussion happening on #ubuntu-devel
[14:09] <smartboyhw> So, I was confused by the person I was talking with, I think
[14:09] <smartboyhw> An API is usually related to a software library: the API describes and prescribes the expected behavior while the library is an actual implementation of this set of rules. A single API can have multiple implementations (or none, being abstract) in the form of different libraries that share the same programming interface.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Oops
[14:09] <smartboyhw> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/07/%23ubuntu-devel.html
[14:09] <smartboyhw> That's where I got the confusion...
[14:11]  * apachelogger counts weeks to release
[14:11] <apachelogger> yeah, that is not really anything like the scenario I presented
[14:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: make magic happen
[14:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[14:12] <Riddell> I think I'd +1 smartboyhw on condition he gets any non-trivial changes reviewed before upload, where the definition of non-trivial is tight but can become loser over time
[14:12] <jmux> apachelogger: man -L C 7 debhelper => COMPATIBILITY LEVELS
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you need one more dev now, -.-
[14:13] <smartboyhw> (Two more)
[14:13] <Riddell> yofel: what do you think?
[14:13] <yofel> -1 no, but a really hesitant +1. You're getting better at an incredible rate, but I haven't seen many packages from you where I could really just sign an upload. Getting me to review something should be really only for ack, not looking whether the pieces you did so far are correct or not.
[14:14] <Riddell> yofel: mm so is that -1 or +1 ?
[14:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: on that topic, how does essentially having root permisions on user systems sound to you?
[14:15] <yofel> describe it in a single word ;)
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Single word?...............
[14:15] <yofel> just say how you feel about it emotionally
[14:15] <apachelogger> jmux: ^^ cheers
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, useful?
[14:16]  * smartboyhw does not understand the question
[14:16] <Tm_T> I sense the answer yofel was looking for was "noooooooooo!!11"
[14:16] <yofel> well, how do you feel about it? happy, evil, scared, confused, ...?
[14:16] <yofel> Tm_T: that would've been one answer :P
[14:16]  * smartboyhw thinks that is a terrible Android rooting (law) question
[14:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T: the answer is omnomnom :P
[14:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, I won't feel scared, I feel that I need to be careful while using it.
[14:17] <yofel> ok, then I'll settle with +1
[14:18] <Riddell> hmm what are the voting rules for this again?
[14:18] <yofel> afaik at least +3, so we can continue this on the ML
[14:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, is it?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> That's different from Kubuntu Members I thought
[14:19]  * yofel doesn't remember there being a -1 when he was present so isn't sure
[14:19] <yofel> I think +3 as a summary of all votes makes sense
[14:19] <smartboyhw> So, let's see who wants to +1 me-.-
[14:20] <smartboyhw> (If shadeslayer says -1, then don't let me in)
[14:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer is one of my main package sponsors, after Riddell and yofel
[14:21] <Riddell> ok we'll continue on the mailing list
[14:21] <Riddell> thanks for taking a second grilling smartboyhw, I know it's stressful
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it is VERY stressful... (It's like Computer politics-.-)
[14:22] <Riddell> I've failed my driving test twice in the last few weeks, all very stressful
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh oh
[14:22] <Riddell> needless to say you're a great asset to the kubuntu team so we're keen to have you in
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let's see who gets to pass our tests first:P
[14:22] <yofel> didn't you have a license already? or had to take the test again?
[14:22]  * yofel got his license on the 2nd try - ignored a red light on the first one -.-
[14:23] <smartboyhw> yofel, Oo
[14:23] <yofel> it was a really stressful day... I'll leave it at that
[14:23]  * Tm_T got his first driving license when he was 16 and passed both consecutive tests too, not easily but still
[14:24] <Riddell> yofel: minibus driving, like a car but harder
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Maxim: Don't apply for Kubuntu Developers until 1. You are strictly confident you can answer nothing and 2. You have no emotions on that day.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> s/nothing/everything/
[14:24] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Maxim: Don't apply for Kubuntu Developers until 1. You are strictly confident you can answer everything and 2. You have no emotions on that day."
[14:24] <yofel> ah
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Which = impossible.
[14:26] <yofel> smartboyhw: erm, it's not quite like that. *Usually* people apply for dev once they have enough experience so other people encourage them to do so and are ready to give +1 anyway - then the meeting is just to clear up some questions left unanswered
[14:26] <yofel> you were a bit fast to apply IMO
[14:26] <smartboyhw> yofel, not my case-.-
[14:26] <smartboyhw> yofel, damnit, tell me beforehand-.-
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Then I will apply next year, and focus on SoK and schoolwork and SAT...
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Shouldn't have got myself into this cauldron bubble
[14:27]  * yofel remembers saying something months ago - but I guess that was quite a while back
[14:28] <yofel> I think you're doing great considering the time you've been here
[14:29] <yofel> it's just that some things are just a matter of experiencing some thing first hand - and that takes time
[14:32] <smartboyhw> So, let's continue on ML
[14:32] <smartboyhw> (Still can't get CyrilleB to respond on descriptions of Cauchy, BTW)
[14:38] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:46] <Riddell> hi lordievader, been working on some docs stuff?
[14:48] <lordievader> Riddell: Jup, you can see the result here: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs.html
[14:48] <shadeslayer> I'm sorry, did I miss the meeting?
[14:49] <yofel> you did
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah but we still need another vote
[14:49] <shadeslayer> will read the logs in a bit
[14:49] <Riddell> lordievader: that's from a change in the script?
[14:50]  * shadeslayer overslept on account of being tired
[14:50] <lordievader> Riddell: The most dramatic change is downloading the css, but I made some changes here and there. See the email on the kubuntu-dev mailing list.
[14:54]  * smartboyhw faints at the requirements of top US universities-.- Why do we need SAT + TOEFL!?
[14:55] <yofel> what's that?
[14:57] <genii> If memory serves, it's some proficiency test of English
[14:57] <smartboyhw> yofel, SAT is a proficiency test for English + Maths (where English is very difficult for us, while Maths should be a piece of Cake)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> So why do we need TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) !?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> (TOEFL's specific requirement for international applicants, BTW)
[14:59] <yofel> ah
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Here's the weird thing: Harvard and MIT does not require TOEFL, but Cornell and Cal Tech require it-.-
[15:02] <Riddell> your written english at least is first rate, why do you think it'll be difficult?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh hum, it's reading comprehension that is difficult. And seriously, I looked at those full-mark compositions for writing, and I'm amazed.
[15:05] <lordievader> Riddell: Made a launchpad branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oliviervdtoorn/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader
[15:05] <smartboyhw> lordievader, nice!~
[15:06] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Reading comprehension, I get the feeling you understand us perfectly. So that shouldn't be too hard. ;)
[15:06] <smartboyhw> UCLA's process is even more complicated-.-
[15:06] <smartboyhw> lordievader, it's not just that
[15:06] <smartboyhw> The words are very difficult for me
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Speaking of it, let me do the SAT question of the day
[15:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel I'm +1 with the additional condition that smartboyhw gets his uploads reviewed for a couple of weeks, he knows a fair amount to not make silly mistakes
[15:16] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:17] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: you need to learn more IMHO, but then that'll come with working on packages
[15:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I know
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Experience rolls with time
[15:17] <shadeslayer> right
[15:17]  * smartboyhw takes his new-learnt physics to calculate acceleration:P
[15:18] <smartboyhw> (Of the ball)
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Now it's -3 m-s
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell and btw I think one of the source from 4.11.1 got rejected
[15:18] <shadeslayer> and now I can't remember which one it was
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Oops, -3 m -s(2)
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mplayerthumbs_4.11.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you please upload that?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> I'll add it to the supported seeds
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[15:20] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I have a question, though it won't really affect my decision
[15:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, please do
[15:20] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: what's the supported seed :)
[15:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh, that
[15:20] <smartboyhw> The supported system provides functionality not included by the base or desktop systems but which meets the following criteria:
[15:20] <smartboyhw> it is very widely used, people are committed to it.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> it is not architecturally insecure, it is thus easy for us to provide security fixes and updates.
[15:21] <smartboyhw> (LOL, copied from wiki:P)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> sure, but what does it mean from a package upload pov?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> which is of more practical use
[15:22] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you can upload it using the Kubuntu Developers ACL (in Kubuntu sense)
[15:22] <smartboyhw> If not, MOTU is needed to sponsor
[15:23] <shadeslayer> k
[15:23] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, BTW why is mplayerthumbs rejected in the 1st place?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: it's not in the seed
[15:24] <shadeslayer> or in the kubuntu packageset
[15:24] <shadeslayer> hence I don't have upload permissions for it
[15:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh, that's why
[15:25] <shadeslayer> added to supported now
[15:25] <shadeslayer> okay off to apartment hunt now
[15:25] <shadeslayer> cya
[15:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, cya
[15:49] <Riddell> bug 1220282 just as faffy as I had feared but job done :)
[15:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[15:57] <Riddell> “Kubuntu Developers” team "Howard Chan (smartboyhw) has been added as a member of this team."
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thank you.
[15:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yay, welcome in :)
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[15:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but remember to get any non-trivial changes reviewed first
[15:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, of course.
[15:58]  * smartboyhw doesn't want to be the one to be blamed
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://netrunner-mag.com/?p=3184
[16:01] <soee> smartboyhw, gratz :)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> soee, thx:)
[16:01] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: congrats indeed
[16:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thanks:)
[16:02] <Riddell> "If you have friends and family you might want to expose to Linux, then Kubuntu will probably be the best overall choice."  sweet :)
[16:03] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, nice post there
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Did you find a nice, cozy home?
[16:04] <smartboyhw> :P
[16:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: trying to find one
[16:05] <shadeslayer> most of the places I've called up have said the room isn't available anymore
[16:05] <shadeslayer> but the last guy I called said it is still available
[16:05] <shadeslayer> will probably go and check it out tomorrow
[16:05] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh
[16:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: found any for me to use for a week in november?
[16:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, BTW, your nick: Should it be read "shade|slayer" or "shades|layer"?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: airbnb?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: the former
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm staying at a really nice place right now
[16:06] <shadeslayer> 15 EUR per night
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1435642
[16:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer: dholbach is real quick: https://plus.google.com/107265043789873157543/posts/DRnrd5cQ8si
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yeah he is
[16:08] <EvilRoey> Hello all!  I want to hack on Konsole in the KDE 4.11 branch; what are the names of the KDE devel packages I need to install?
[16:09] <Riddell> EvilRoey: sudo apt-get build-dep konsole
[16:10] <EvilRoey> ok that's what I did
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apartment is like 15 minutes walking from the office, but I wouldn't recommend it if you're a light sleeper
[16:10] <EvilRoey> shadeslayer suggested that to me
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: walls are a bit think, and you can hear the metro going underneath
[16:10] <shadeslayer> *thin even
[16:19] <Odur> Riddell: Yeah, I converted my wife from Windows user to Linux promotor just by installing Kubuntu :)
[16:20] <EvilRoey> :D
[16:20] <Riddell> excellent :)
[16:20] <EvilRoey> Riddell, shadeslayer, thanks! I've compiled Konsole now.
[16:21] <Riddell> EvilRoey: gonnae fix the bug where it copies all the spaces at the end of a line :)
[16:22] <EvilRoey> oh?
[16:22] <EvilRoey> I was going to make it auot-blur
[16:22] <EvilRoey> in the kpart, so that it would work both for konsole as well as yakuake
[16:22] <EvilRoey> *auto-blur
[16:22] <EvilRoey> oooh, motion blur during the Sliding Windows also sounds pretty cool
[16:22] <EvilRoey> come to think of it..
[16:49] <yofel> hm, why's python-kde4 held back here o.O
[16:52] <Riddell> yofel: the new one is still stuck on arm
[16:52] <Riddell> so it's in -proposed
[16:52] <Riddell> not sure why the current one would be held back but it's broken
[16:52] <yofel> nevermind
[16:53] <yofel> it's an issue with my pin setup so apt was confused (it was trying to install pykde from ninjas/raring on saucy)
[17:45] <shrinivasan_> hello all
[17:45] <shrinivasan_> how can i help with the documentation?
[17:45] <shrinivasan_> is there any thing undocumented?
[17:45] <shrinivasan_> so that i can write on that/
[17:49] <shrinivasan_> Riddell: ?
[17:58] <yofel> lordievader, valorie: you were working on the docs too right? could you point shrinivasan_ to something maybe?
[17:59] <shrinivasan_> thanks yofel
[17:59] <yofel> thank you for wanting to help with the docs :)
[18:04] <lordievader> shrinivasan_: Great, have you seen the trello board?
[18:06] <shrinivasan_> lordievader: checking it now
[18:08] <lordievader> shrinivasan_: You got a Launchpad/Ubuntu account?
[18:11] <shrinivasan_> lordievader: yes
[18:11] <shrinivasan_> i have
[18:11] <shrinivasan_> trello seems good
[18:12] <lordievader> Great, then you should be set. I'd say look through the pages and see if you can improve. Aron (ahoneybun) does the coordination for the most part.
[18:15] <shrinivasan_> fine
[18:15] <shrinivasan_> reading the trello cards
[18:16] <lordievader> Haven't seen ahoneybun in a while.
[18:16] <lordievader> :(
[18:21] <ronnoc> HI all
[18:22] <ronnoc> Anyone having issues with jockey-kde in Suacy?
[18:22] <ronnoc> *Saucy
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yeah, doesn't seem to work
[18:23] <lordievader> ronnoc: Python-apt is updated, functions that the jockey depends on are removed from the api.
[18:26] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: lordievader: Thanks for the update. I assume a fix will be forthcoming shortly.
[19:18] <lordievader> ronnoc: I'm not so sure of a fix, I heard it was unmaintained.
[19:24] <ronnoc> lordievader: Is it a KDE-only issue, or does it affect Ubuntu as well?
[19:28] <lordievader> ronnoc: All of Ubuntu, I fixed "jockey-text -l" couple of days ago. But the rest of "jockey-text" seems to be broken too. And on top of that, jockey-kde seems to have a heap of its own problems :(
[19:32] <ronnoc> That's a sad situation to be sure. Hope i gets sorted out somehow or there will be a lot of confused users when 13.10 hits :/
[19:32] <ronnoc> brb need to reboot
[21:14] <Noskcaj> Where can i find the kde-tools symbols how-to page? It was the one way i was able to get symbols working
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: just google for "Debian kde working with symbols"
[21:19] <Noskcaj> thanks, i've found it
[21:20] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, The guide works with all packages doesn't? not just kde
[21:33] <yofel> Noskcaj: anything c++
[21:33] <Noskcaj> yofel, thanks
[22:54] <valorie> hmmm, shrinivasan is gone already
[22:55] <valorie> congratulations to Howard!
[22:55] <valorie> oh, he's gone too
[22:55] <valorie> shees
[22:55] <valorie> h
[23:07] <soee> ;]


[11:11] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:36] <rick_h_> party
[11:36] <brousch> on
[11:37] <snap-l> wayne
[11:49] <greg-g> party on garth
[11:49] <rick_h_> Hey, someone is up early :P
[11:50] <brousch> Whoa, crazy
[11:50] <brousch> Isn't it like 3AM for greg-g?
[11:50] <snap-l> more like going on 4AM, but still...
[11:53] <brousch> Ah, West MI strikes again http://idle.slashdot.org/story/12/07/11/2045209/holy-ipad-slayer-company-releases-worlds-first-christian-tablet
[11:54] <greg-g> I'm in DC right now :)
[11:54] <brousch> OSCON?
[11:56] <brousch> No, wait, that is Portland
[11:56] <brousch> and next week
[11:56] <rick_h_> I'm jealous!
[11:57] <rick_h_> greg-g: send me portland pics pls!
[11:57] <rick_h_> help me feel cooler
[12:15] <shakes808> morning
[12:15] <rick_h_> morning
[12:44] <jrwren> wtf, holy ipad slayer???? i shall not click that link. :)
[12:44] <jrwren> portland!
[12:44] <jrwren> i'm jealous too. I want to live in portlandia
[12:44] <rick_h_> jrwren: let's hide in greg-g's bags
[12:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: get your luggage through dtw plese
[12:45] <jrwren> hehehe
[12:45] <jrwren> rick_h_: lets take 2 or 3 weeks and bike there. that would be the portlandish thing to do.
[12:45] <rick_h_> oooh, true. I don't think I'd make it to GR...but good call
[12:49] <brousch> Funny you mention that. One hard-core biker at my wife's work planned to bike Route 66 this summer. He planned for bears, wolves, etc. He made it to the Indiana/Illinois border when his campsite was destroyed by a pack of racoons in a thunderstorm
[12:50] <rick_h_> sorry...but...lamo!
[12:51] <brousch> Crazy
[12:57] <brousch> I think had $1500 in super light camping gear
[13:00] <jrwren> yeah, that is pretty lame.
[13:01] <jrwren> my excoworker biked across the USA last summer. pacific to atlantic.
[13:01] <jrwren> http://www.annarbor.com/news/rolling-across-the-country/
[13:01] <jrwren> portland to dc.
[13:02] <jrwren> hrm... seems like going from test best place on earth to the worst.
[13:09] <greg-g> rick_h_: :) will do
[13:10] <greg-g> heh, yeah, DC isn't nice. :) Here for Wikimania (and I was at a couple other things since tuesday, presented yesterday, presenting again today)
[13:16] <snap-l> What the hell is wrong with you people wanting to move to portland?
[13:19] <brousch> It's right by a frickin volcano
[13:20] <snap-l> Let's put things in perspective
[13:20] <snap-l> IT HAS FUCKING HIPPIES ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE
[13:24] <brousch> You yell that like it is a bad thing
[13:31] <snap-l> IT IS
[13:34] <jrwren> hippies are really nice to live around
[13:34] <jrwren> and they tollerate me being the industrial electronic wears-too-much-black on the block
[13:40] <brousch> Damn, that was too easy
[13:40] <brousch> Python->Pyjamas->PhoneGap basically just works
[13:40] <rick_h_> coolness
[13:41] <brousch> I was expecting more fiddling
[13:41] <nullspace> so I'm playing with a python script and having issues http://paste2.org/p/2071220
[13:42] <nullspace> I don't know why it's complaining about the strings I assinged
[13:45] <brousch> I get an error on line,match
[13:46] <nullspace> my errors are on 3 - yahoo: command not found, 4 - ours: command not found, 6- syntax error near unexpected token '('
[13:47] <jrwren> quote your regex?
[13:47] <brousch> Are you running it under bash instead of python?
[13:47] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[13:47] <nullspace> brousch: I just figured that out rigth before you said it
[13:47] <nullspace> herp derp
[13:48] <snap-l> bash is a harsh mistress. ;)
[13:48] <brousch> Good morning!
[13:50] <jrwren> lol
[13:50] <jrwren> #!/usr/bin/env python
[13:50] <jrwren> ^^ FFS!
[14:08] <nullspace> now it's complainign about he yfile.close()
[14:08] <nullspace> http://paste2.org/p/2071246
[14:09] <rick_h_> change that to: with open(yahoo) as yfile:
[14:09] <rick_h_> and tab in the rest of that line
[14:09] <jrwren> or just don't bother closing it.
[14:09] <jrwren> it will close when the script ends.
[14:09] <rick_h_> http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/contextlib/
[14:11] <snap-l> speaking of Yahoo, apparently there was a breach
[14:11] <brousch> indeed
[14:11] <brousch> Can we blame YUI?
[14:12] <snap-l> Blame Yahoo video chat
[14:12] <snap-l> which up until this point I didn't realize existed.
[14:13] <nullspace> thus this little script I'
[14:14] <nullspace> I'm checking a list of hashes to see if the same passwords are used
[14:16] <nullspace> still getting an invalid syntax on the yfile.close()
[14:16] <snap-l> nullspace: Making sure your password isn't in there?
[14:16] <nullspace> yfile is tabed within the "with"
[14:16] <brousch> nullspace: Then you don't need the close
[14:16] <nullspace> snap-l: making sure users are nto resuing shitty passwords on sites that don't secure passwords
[14:17] <jrwren> just delete teh close.
[14:17] <jrwren> you don't need it.
[14:18] <jrwren> python is not java or C#. you don't need to close the filehandle, it is closed automatically when it goes out of scope.
[14:18] <snap-l> nullspace: That's like predicting if there will be air this morning.
[14:18] <nullspace> now it's complaingin about the second with
[14:18] <nullspace> complaining even
[14:19] <jrwren> are you mixing tabs and space? :)
[14:20] <brousch> Second with?
[14:20] <jrwren> he had 2 open() statemnts which he enclosed in two with statements
[14:21] <jrwren> s/statemnts/calls/
[14:22] <snap-l> nullspace: Repaste?
[14:22] <nullspace> http://paste2.org/p/2071257
[14:24] <snap-l> What's the traceback?
[14:25] <snap-l> Also, your /n should be \n (otherwise it'll print /n instead of a linefeed
[14:25] <nullspace> traceback?
[14:25] <snap-l> Yeah, what's the error it's complaining about?
[14:25] <nullspace>   File "compare.py", line 18
[14:25] <nullspace>     with open(ours) as ofile:
[14:25] <nullspace>        ^
[14:25] <nullspace> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[14:26] <snap-l> missing paren
[14:26] <snap-l> line 16
[14:27] <jrwren> what does python -V show?
[14:27] <nullspace> 2.7.3
[14:28] <snap-l> You're missing a closing paren
[14:28] <snap-l> acknowledge?
[14:29] <nullspace> yes
[14:30] <snap-l> is it working now?
[14:30] <nullspace> that fixed it, now I'm on to getting my string.split syntax correct
[14:30] <jrwren> also, prefer line.split() to string.split(line)
[14:30] <jrwren> but that is a style thing
[14:30] <snap-l> jrwren: ++
[14:31] <jrwren> pylint would tell ya :)
[14:31] <snap-l> Man I'm not sure what WRCJ uses to rip their CDs but they have a bunch of glitches.
[14:31] <jrwren> WRCJ?
[14:31] <snap-l> I feel like spending an afternoon with their archivist
[14:31] <jrwren> do they supply an EAC log file?
[14:31] <snap-l> WRCJ 90.9FM
[14:32] <snap-l> http://wrcjfm.org/
[14:32] <jrwren> ha! you can hear artifacts on the broadcast?
[14:32] <snap-l> Yeah, I can
[14:32] <snap-l> they'll skip and have other digital distortion
[14:32] <snap-l> like a bad rip
[14:34] <snap-l> Though I did send their program manager a link to Magnatune. :)
[14:34] <snap-l> and explained all of the goodies therin
[15:03] <snap-l> God, us.archive.ubuntu.com is slow from here.
[15:03] <snap-l> Downloading mercurial, and it's taking for-ev-er
[15:03] <snap-l> https://bitbucket.org/amorris/openpyxl/src <- hoping this gives me some love
[15:08] <nullspace> ah nice no matches
[15:08] <snap-l> WEll, it also depends on their hashing
[15:08] <nullspace> turns out the file.readline() just reads one line
[15:08] <snap-l> or were these released as clear-text?
[15:08] <nullspace> plaintext
[15:09] <snap-l> Oh lovely
[15:09] <nullspace> I was hashing them and trowing them in a set, then checking the set
[15:16] <jrwren> anyone looked at julia programming language?
[15:17] <rick_h_> nope
[15:28] <nullspace> how did CHC go last night, I was stuck fixing cat 5e line in my house and patching drywall
[15:35] <jrwren> omg, I am definitely in love with Julia. I will be finding a reason to use it asap.
[15:43] <snap-l> nullspace: Went OK
[15:43] <snap-l> definitely the humor edition
[15:45] <derekv> big guns edition
[15:47] <snap-l> heh
[15:47] <snap-l> btw: The Sword is some awesome coding music
[15:47] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword
[15:49] <derekv> I was, of course, reffering to my ample bicepts.
[15:49] <derekv> ;)
[15:49] <snap-l> brousch: You might like The Sword. They're heavily influenced by Black Sabbath
[15:54] <brousch> What sword?
[15:54] <snap-l> The Sword. It's a band name
[15:54] <snap-l> pasted the link above
[15:55] <brousch> oh
[15:55] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SCIoq0VX4
[15:56] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34BXwlOmUjE
[15:58] <jrwren> i'm introducing myself to Abney Park right now. Interesting band.
[15:59] <snap-l> Yeah, I can handle about 3 minutes of them before I need to change it
[15:59] <snap-l> I think I need to just sit down and listen to it.
[15:59] <snap-l> but I have total respect for them and what they're doing
[16:00] <snap-l> kinda like Voltaire
[16:00] <snap-l> I can only handle so much crazy in one sitting
[16:13] <rick_h_> nullspace: went ok, not a ton done tbh
[16:13] <rick_h_> I ranted too much :P
[16:13] <rick_h_> poor derekv trying to be productive
[16:13] <rick_h_> and we checked out guns and night sights
[16:14] <rick_h_> now to do some hunter/gatherer stuff for lunch
[16:16] <rick_h_> lmao for the lunch break https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/223450028914642945
[16:35] <derekv> I wasn't really trying to get much done.  I got my domain registered.
[16:35] <derekv> I'm happy I got controllallrobots back
[16:36] <derekv> maybe will put my blog there If I do that
[16:36] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/squeekyhoho/status/223455691103404032
[16:37] <derekv> tvatthebar.com  (tv at the bar) in case I ever do a web comic (unlikely)
[16:44] <greg-g> snap-l: nice :)
[16:44] <greg-g> for both your message and their response
[16:45] <snap-l> greg-g: Heh
[16:48]  * derekv roots droid
[16:52]  * derekv fails
[16:55]  * snap-l registered his new domain name
[16:58] <greg-g> what is it?
[17:07] <snap-l> classicalcommons.com
[17:08] <snap-l> greg-g: ^^^
[17:12] <greg-g> good deal, gandi :)
[17:12] <greg-g> snap-l: so, the podcast idea is moving along? ;)
[17:12] <snap-l> greg-g: maybe
[17:20] <brousch> snap-l: My friend that did the cartoon music podcast did an "Action and Adventure" music podcast. That was some good stuff
[17:26] <brousch> http://openlicensedmusic.blogspot.com/2012/06/episode-5-actionadventure-music.html
[17:58] <nullspace> yeay my ipv6 address is setup at home
[17:59] <nullspace> granted via tunnel
[18:00] <derekv> do'n things is hard!
[18:00] <derekv> also, can gechya inta a heapload o trouble
[18:23] <jrwren> which tunnel service?
[18:31] <derekv> i <3 o p e n s s h
[18:55] <Blazeix> i <3 h a r d - t o - r e a d  t r a c k i n g
[18:56] <derekv> stylized text
[19:04] <snap-l> th15 15 4 b3tt3r w4y 0f 5p34k1ng 4nyw4y
[19:05] <derekv> WHAT ABOUT THIS THIS IS COOL YES
[19:05] <snap-l> ThIs iS a BettEr wAy oF spEakiNg aNywaY
[19:07] <brousch> this_is_the_proper_way_of_speaking
[19:09] <derekv> ebg13 vf gur cebcre jnl bs fcrnxvat naljnlf
[19:25] <_stink_> comeOnPeopleYouKnowBetter
[19:28] <Blazeix> We haven't even started to explore colors!
[19:28] <derekv> red on green plz
[19:36] <derekv> /*"//"//'\////\P/\/\i/\/\c/\/\k//\//\e//\//\t\\/\\/*\/\/F\/\/e\/\/n\/\/c\/\/e//'//"*/
[19:41] <ColonelPanic001> I also like hard to read things.
[21:03] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/117777908934895049975/posts/iMNMfAY8nHn
[21:10] <snap-l> Digg was bought for half a million dollars
[21:18] <rick_h_> ouch
[21:18] <rick_h_> and kevin rose laughs all the way to the bank
[21:21] <snap-l> Yep
[21:21] <snap-l> I think he divested himself a while ago
[21:23] <snap-l> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72fk8prET1r3kmkso1_400.jpg <- snicker
[21:31] <widox> wow, that's cheap
[21:31] <widox> I haven't been on digg in awhile
[21:35] <widox> haha, and they raised a total of $45M. ouch


[16:31] <IdleOne> any freenode staff around?
[16:33] <Myrtti> borderline
[16:33] <Myrtti> if you're quick and it's not complicated...
[16:33] <Myrtti> dunno about others
[16:34] <Myrtti> IdleOne: whazzup
[16:34] <IdleOne> oh hi
[16:35] <IdleOne> Myrtti: could you please ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to stop trying to guess my nickserv pass. They have been trying for months and it is annoying. 37 attempts in the last couple days alone
[16:35] <Myrtti> you do realise they probably don't know that they're doing it?
[16:36] <IdleOne> they want the nick io that I have grouped
[16:36] <IdleOne> they messaged me about it a while back, I told him no that I was keeping it
[16:37] <IdleOne> Anyway, if there is something you could do to make them stop I would appreciate it :)
[16:40] <Myrtti> IdleOne: if you happen to catch them so that they're online for more than few minutes and pm me the nick they're using, I might be able to do someething.
[16:41] <IdleOne> Myrtti: they usually sign on with io but then nickserv forces them to a guest nick I'm assuming.
[17:13] <phunyguy> IdleOne: just make sure your password is a good one, bud.
[17:22] <k1l> who says 1234 isnt a good one? ;p
[17:24] <Myrtti> just a reminder the maximum length is 289 chars
[17:24] <Myrtti> 288 or 289
[17:25] <Myrtti> oh, nvm, spoke too early


[03:09] <TBotNik> All: Have a fullpath problem I'm trying to solve. Writeup @ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5707615#post5707615
[10:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:09] <lctFTw> So im having a little issue... I have been trying to dual boot kubuntu on my pc and made 300 gb free on my 1tb drive, but it takes forever... Its been going for about 45 minutes. Is there a way to cancel it?
[12:10] <hateball> lctFTw: no you do not want to do that
[12:10] <lctFTw> How long will it about take?
[12:11] <hateball> depends how much data needs to be moved to make free space
[12:11] <hateball> but if it's an HDD that is being read and written to simultaneously it will take quite some time
[12:11] <hateball> hours
[12:12] <lctFTw> It had 600 gb used and i made 300 free. So how much will it have to move? Is there some soft of progress bar?
[12:14] <hateball> lctFTw: depends how blocks were spread out etc
[12:14] <hateball> if you're unlucky, well then it will need to rearrange 300GB
[12:15] <hateball> If you did this in the installer I dont think there is any form of progress reporting
[12:15] <lctFTw> so about 200 mb/s, for 300 gb max. That is how long it max takes? Or am i just being an idiot?
[12:16] <hateball> do you normally have 200mb/s write max to it?
[12:16] <lctFTw> i don't really remember but lets just say 150-200 for example.
[12:16] <hateball> like I said it reads and writes to the same drive, makes it quite a bit slower than say dumping just one big file to it
[12:16] <lctFTw> aaaah ok.
[12:17] <lctFTw> Well, im gonna go do something else than. thanks.
[12:19] <hateball> lctFTw: cancelling a filesystem resize will likely result in a broken filesystem, so it is best to let it run its course
[14:37] <ExoUNX> greetings
[14:38] <ExoUNX> Does Discover if the Muon package manager is installed?
[14:38] <ExoUNX> and you have to install that manually?
[14:38] <acheronuk> does discover what?
[14:39] <ExoUNX> Discover, it's the only graphical package manager my friend could find, this true?
[14:39] <acheronuk> no, there is muon and synaptic
[14:39] <ExoUNX> and sorry, I meant, is the Muon package manager a dependency for Discover
[14:40] <acheronuk> no, it's not.
[14:40] <ExoUNX> does Kubuntu come packaged with any?
[14:40] <acheronuk> with Discover. you can install the other 2 if you wish
[14:41] <ExoUNX> but for some reason Discover didn't work right of the bat
[14:41] <ExoUNX> he had to install Muon to get it work
[14:42] <ExoUNX> this true? and why?
[14:43] <ExoUNX> referring to this issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1577918
[14:47] <acheronuk> oh, in 16.04. yes, that is being looked ta
[14:47] <acheronuk> *at
[15:47] <sola> hey
[15:47] <sola> i have a problem i install kde desktop on backbox in the menu it don't show the hacking tools how can i fix that
[17:55] <pinky> how do I go about switching from ubuntu 17.04 gnome to kubuntu while keeping all my settings (virtualbox vms, etc)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> pinky,  install kubuntu-desktop, then choose your DE at the login
[18:16] <ghutzriop> so, I just started the kubuntu 17.04 install with encrypted lvm, what locale is used for the password? do I need to manually fiddle with it before rebooting?
[18:39] <Destr> hello, how i install kubuntu from iso ?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> !install
[18:41] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu
[18:46] <Destr> thank you
[19:05] <ROFLBUNTUUSER>  < ROFLBUNTUUSER> Sup, CIA?  Can you
[19:05] <ROFLBUNTUUSER>                        please stop making me
[19:05] <ROFLBUNTUUSER>                        hear shitty bell sounds
[19:05] <ROFLBUNTUUSER>                        in my skull when I go
[19:05] <ROFLBUNTUUSER>                        outside my apartment?
[19:06] <ROFLBUNTUUSER>                        I dont care if you know
[19:07] <vojzzo> Where do I report a bug in kubuntu?
[19:12] <genii> ROFLBUNTUUSER: That's not really a Kubuntu support issue
[19:15] <BluesKaj> !bug | vojzzo
[20:00] <user|21531> I'm having a hard time looking up tech specs for the latest release of Kubuntu.  The last few releases were a resource hog.  I have 2.16 gig cpu.
[20:00] <user|21531> 4 gig ram
[21:00] <faisal> hi
[22:58] <mr-rich> Gazongas
[23:07] <elopio> ping wxl: did you get my email about the friday's testing days?
[23:07] <elopio> we have already talked about mate, budgie and xubuntu. It would be great to talk about kubuntu in one of the following fridays, but I'm not sure if there's people interested.
[23:42] <wxl> elopio: i didn't but haven't had a chance to follow up. i'd advise checking with valorie @ kubuntu-devel. also lubuntu may be interested. see tsimonq2 @ lubuntu-devel
[23:44] <elopio> thanks wxl. I've joined -devel, I'll ask tomorrow. And I also talked to Simon.
[23:44] <wxl> great thanks :)
[23:50] <acheronuk> -devel is being spammed a bit tonight by our KCI :/ trying to build things without all the build deps quite there yet


[04:07] <meonkeys> hi guys!
[04:08] <meonkeys> this link in the topic doesn't work for me: http://on.fb.me/ctDyKO
[04:08] <meonkeys> it goes to facebook.com, then an error page shows up saying "the content could not be displayed"
[04:08] <meonkeys> also, I got an HTTP 500 error trying to get to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WashingtonTeam/ApprovalApplication
[04:09] <valorie> wiki opens right up for me
[04:09] <valorie> ubuntu has a problem with their wiki -- it is ancient and creaky
[04:10] <valorie> fb link doesn't work for me either
[04:10] <valorie> have we met, meonkeys?
[04:10] <meonkeys> here's what I see: http://inky.ws/g/aa
[04:10] <valorie> if not, hello
[04:10] <meonkeys> valorie: hi! I don't know.
[04:11] <meonkeys> I was at LFNW, I gave a talk on Vim: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/sessions/beyond-wq-life-changing-vim-plugins
[04:11] <meonkeys> I've been an Ubuntu user for a few years now.
[04:11] <valorie> did you come by the loco table?
[04:11] <valorie> Key Details
[04:11] <valorie>     Date Established - (Thursday 19 October, 2006)
[04:11] <valorie>     Team Contact - Chuck West<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:11] <valorie>     Membership - 28 as of August 2010
[04:11] <valorie>     Mailing List - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wa
[04:11] <valorie>     Laundpad Team - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-washington
[04:11] <valorie>     Forums - http://washington.ubuntuforums.org
[04:11] <valorie>     IRC - #ubuntu-us-wa on irc.freenode.net:6667
[04:11] <Lancelot> hey valorie
[04:11] <valorie> from the wiki page
[04:12] <meonkeys> No, I didn't come by the loco table
[04:12] <valorie> hi Lancelot
[04:12] <meonkeys> valorie: yep, saw that on the page too, thanks.
[04:12] <Lancelot> how'd sunday go?
[04:12] <valorie> how did your exams go?
[04:12] <Lancelot> it was alright
[04:12] <valorie> it was much slower
[04:12] <Lancelot> I'll get my mark on wednesday
[04:12] <valorie> but I got to spend quite a bit of time with two beginners
[04:12] <valorie> showing them IRC, and such
[04:12] <Lancelot> yeah
[04:12] <valorie> which was cool
[04:12] <Lancelot> that's nice
[04:12] <valorie> burned quite a few more CDs
[04:13] <Lancelot> did you go to any of the talks?
[04:13] <valorie> gave out maybe 30 or 40
[04:13] <valorie> one on Sat.
[04:13] <valorie> excellent
[04:13] <valorie> the EFF/ACLU talk
[04:13] <Lancelot> I showed up for the last half of it
[04:13] <Lancelot> lost track of time
[04:13] <valorie> I was late as well
[04:13] <valorie> that table was BUSY!
[04:14] <Lancelot> no kidding
[04:14] <valorie> too bad you didn't stop by, meonkeys
[04:14] <Lancelot> it was a pretty popular talk
[04:14] <Lancelot> score
[04:15] <Lancelot> I discovered I have a linux mint image
[04:17] <valorie> I'm so glad I discovered multisystem USB
[04:17] <valorie> used that so often this weekend!
[04:17] <Lancelot> yeah
[04:17] <Lancelot> it looks pretty good
[04:17] <valorie> and burned at least 5 USBs for people
[04:17] <valorie> super easy to use
[04:17] <valorie> and fast, fast, fast
[04:17] <meonkeys> valorie: yep. I didn't spend much time in the expo hall, just to register, then later to hang at the FSF booth during the raffle.
[04:17] <Lancelot> nice
[04:18] <Lancelot> oh, check this out: http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,226435/printable.html
[04:18] <valorie> you were right close!
[04:18] <valorie> 10 feet away
[04:18] <valorie> lol
[04:19] <valorie> heh
[04:19] <Lancelot> :p
[04:19] <valorie> sounds interesting, Lancelot
[04:19] <valorie> except it ain't KDE
[04:20] <valorie> so, not so interesting to ME
[04:20] <Lancelot> ...
[04:20] <valorie> :-)
[04:20] <Lancelot> that's just an example
[04:20] <valorie> right
[04:20] <Lancelot> you really like KDE don't you?
[04:29] <meonkeys> valorie: aha, linda just approved me; now I can see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WashingtonTeam/ApprovalApplication
[04:30] <valorie> I love KDE
[04:30] <valorie> I don't dislike Gnome, or Unity
[04:31] <valorie> I just much prefer KDE
[04:31] <valorie> and I love the kde community
[04:31] <valorie> as well as the ubuntu community
[04:31] <Lancelot> it's alright
[04:41] <meonkeys> anyone know if it's possible to use the GNOME Shell instead of Unity in Natty?
[04:42] <valorie> yes
[04:42] <meonkeys> cool.
[04:42] <valorie> son was trying it out
[04:45] <meonkeys> CJ Collier, are you in here?
[04:45] <Lancelot> from what I've seen so far Unity is failing
[04:45] <Lancelot> really really hard
[04:46] <meonkeys> failing how? people don't want it?
[04:46] <valorie> I dunno -- people resist change
[04:46] <valorie> gnome 3 is basically the same thing as unity
[04:47] <meonkeys> Jack Wallen very much prefers the gnome shell: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-unity-which-desktop-wins/2291
[04:47] <Lancelot> the changes in gnome 3 are so stupid
[04:47] <meonkeys> the one thing that really made me want the GNOME shell instead of unity was the lack of a run dialog in Unity
[04:47] <meonkeys> I use the run dialog all the time.
[04:47] <Lancelot> they're the perfect example of why liberal arts majors should work in coffee shops IMO
[04:47] <Lancelot> I mean, basic functionality is not something you mess with
[04:48] <Lancelot> changing something for the sake of changing it is useless
[04:48] <meonkeys> I think they're changing it to try and improve it
[04:48] <meonkeys> (the user interface, that is)
[04:49] <Lancelot> how is removing the minimize and maximize buttons an improvement?
[04:49] <Lancelot> I use those all the time
[04:49] <Lancelot> I don't even think about it
[04:49] <meonkeys> I don't, so, I guess that would be an improvement for me. :)
[04:50] <meonkeys> I usually just hit F11 to maximize or un-maximize, and drag window corners to resize.
[04:50] <meonkeys> The close button seems like a waste of space too, Alt-F4 works great. :)
[04:50] <meonkeys> I guess I just prefer less mouse, more keyboard.
[04:51] <Lancelot> the work I do requires a mouse
[04:51] <Lancelot> design stuff
[04:51] <Lancelot> so I use it a fair bit
[04:51] <Lancelot> even with only a keyboard I use those buttons
[04:51] <meonkeys> ah, gotcha.
[04:51] <meonkeys> Say, do you use Inkscape much?
[04:52] <Lancelot> never heard of it
[04:52] <Lancelot> by design I mean like cad
[04:52] <Lancelot> things like CAD*
[04:52] <meonkeys> ah, ok
[04:52] <meonkeys> yeah, Inkscape is mainly for vector graphics.
[04:53] <meonkeys> I did a little bit of CAD with qcad. That was kinda fun.
[04:53] <Lancelot> I see
[04:53] <Lancelot> I've been looking for a good linux program
[04:53] <Lancelot> freecad looks alright
[04:53] <meonkeys> But then my wife showed me up by designing our entire bathroom remodel in SketchUp
[04:54] <Lancelot> now that I have more free time I'll be able to try more
[04:54] <Lancelot> eww
[04:54] <Lancelot> google...
[04:54] <meonkeys> eww what?
[04:55] <Lancelot> eh, just a personal thing
[04:55] <Lancelot> moving on
[04:56] <meonkeys> *yawn*
[04:56] <meonkeys> bye all, nice "meeting" you! Time to watch Obama's standup at the WHCA dinner.
[04:57] <Lancelot> have fun
[05:28] <Lancelot> valorie: are there any other conferences that happen around washington?
[05:29] <Lancelot> I just looked up linuxcon, but admission is 100 dollars at student pricing
[05:30] <valorie> not that I know of
[05:30] <valorie> I go down to OSCON, but not to anything but the free stuff
[05:31] <valorie> and staff the booth there
[05:31] <valorie> and attend CLS the weekend before
[05:31] <Lancelot> how long of a drive is that?
[05:31] <valorie> which is an unconference, and free
[05:31] <valorie> but not just linux
[05:31] <valorie> that's in Portland
[05:31] <Lancelot> hmm
[05:31] <valorie> there is some other stuff in Portland, but I don't know about free
[05:31] <valorie> portland OR is 3 hours drive for me
[06:37] <Lancelot> ouch
[06:40] <Lancelot> well then this seems alright
[06:42] <Lancelot> so you only get to go to the expo hall for free?
[07:04] <valorie> the expo hall, lightning talks, and Bofs
[07:04] <valorie> I had a lot of fun -- some of my KDE peeps were there too
[07:04] <valorie> speaking
[07:04] <valorie> so I had people to hang out with
[07:15] <Lancelot> sounds okay
[07:15] <Lancelot> I don't think I can drive that far though
[15:42] <meonkeys> what about Open Source Bridge? I've heard that's awesome.
[22:19] <valorie> I haven't gone, so I don't know
[22:19] <valorie> i have heard good things, yes
[23:44] <althara> the link for the release party pictures has probably expired
[23:46] <althara> our facebook group is scheudled to be archived
[23:52] <althara> I just contacted Paul to see if he can handle it or add me as an admin ont he group page.
[23:52] <althara> *on the
[23:57] <valorie> i miss paul


[20:53] <gehidore> hrm, despite being unlocked and adb enabled in the factory 9 flashed image the installer gets hung up on connecting to the device via adb and adb devices shows no permissions for the device
[20:53] <gehidore> but prior to this adb devices worked fine, wonder if it's an issue with that image
[21:12] <gehidore> interesting, it is the recovery that the installer flashes
[21:13] <gehidore> flashed an old twrp and got recovery mode in adb
[21:14] <gehidore> holy hell 1.4k issues already on github, wonder how many relate to this issue


[14:33] <az> 10th language of getmonero.org just uploaded: Turkish! https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bgv7ai/getmoneroorg_available_in_turkish_our_website_now/