[01:04] <jbicha> tkamppeter: could you take a look at bug 1050602 when you're around?
[01:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050602 in ghostscript "gs 9.06 segfaults when converting to png, bmp, tiff, etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050602
[02:15] <bkerensa> does anyone know why even after removing transmission it still somehow spawns up?
[02:15] <bkerensa> like if you click a magnet url?
[02:15] <sarnold> bkerensa: how did you remove it?
[02:17] <bkerensa> sarnold: apt-get remove transmission
[02:18] <sarnold> bkerensa: somewhere along the way the package was renamed to transmission-gtk, iirc. Try dpkg -l 'transmission*' to see which transmission packages are still installed, if any
[03:10] <pitti> Good morning
[03:25] <desrt> pitti: good morn
[03:25] <pitti> hey desrt
[03:30] <RAOF> Morning pitti
[03:30] <RAOF> Hey desrt!
[03:30] <desrt> hi
[03:30] <desrt> you had a question for me the other day...
[03:31] <RAOF> desrt: The gdbus bitch I wanted to get off my chest was how it breaks software that uses libdbus.
[03:31] <desrt> oh?
[03:31] <desrt> how so?
[03:31] <desrt> (and why should i care?) ;)
[03:31] <RAOF> Because it always spawns a thread, and does libdbus calls on it, without ever initialising libdbus' threadsafety, or suggesting that the caller might want to do that.
[03:32] <desrt> no....
[03:32] <desrt> gdbus never calls libdbus
[03:34] <RAOF> ...hm.
[03:35] <RAOF> Ah. So there's something else in our stack which is.
[03:35] <desrt> glad i could help :)
[03:37] <RAOF> desrt: So gdbus has its own dbus implementation?
[03:37] <desrt> from scratch
[03:38] <desrt> glib has a libdbus depend in ./configure but only so the testcases can compare serialisation for compatibility
[03:38] <desrt> it's never used at runtime
[03:41] <desrt> bedtime here
[03:41] <desrt> laters :)
[03:41] <RAOF> Catch you :)
[05:26] <didrocks> good morning
[05:33] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:43] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti (sorry, already in useless paperwork), how are you?
[05:44] <pitti> je vais bien! having "fun" with sandboxing a gnome-session with a mock upower for testing
[05:44] <didrocks> pitti: lucky you to be able to work on technical things :)
[05:45]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[05:45]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[06:04] <bizhanMona> HI I have installed some packages on my Ubuntu/Precise 12.04. I have forgot the list of the packages that I have installed, is there any command could provide me the history of the packages installed? Tx
[06:05] <didrocks> bizhanMona: you can see some good history in /var/log/apt/history.log
[06:08] <bizhanMona> didrocks: thx
[06:09] <didrocks> yw
[06:35] <pitti> didrocks: nice unity bug fix list!
[06:36] <didrocks> pitti: isn't it? :)
[06:36] <didrocks> pitti: a lot of FFe in them though :/
[06:42] <mvo> hrm, is it a known issue that after login the screen stays blank and does not load to the full desktop? or should I start debugging?
[06:42] <didrocks> mvo: ah, not known, some people even installed -proposed yesterday without any issue
[06:43] <mvo> didrocks: compiz[11350] trap int3 ip:xxxx sp:xxxx error:0
[06:43] <mvo> didrocks: from dmesg, let me try if I can get apport to trigger
[06:43] <didrocks> mvo: do you mind reporting the crash if any?
[06:44] <didrocks> yep :)
[06:45] <mvo> heh :) "TypeError: 'in <string>' requires string as left operand, not byte"  from the source_xorg.py plugin
[06:45] <didrocks> hum, I thought bryceh fixed that one? ^
[06:46] <mvo> all updates from this morning are installed
[06:46] <mvo> maybe its not build yet
[06:47] <didrocks> mvo: juts tell that your issue is not graphical to bypass the xorg hook :)
[06:47] <didrocks> in reporting your bug
[06:48] <mvo> yeah, tried reporting via cli/linux-console, but that did not went too well, LP does not really like the ascii browser anymore it seems
[06:48]  * mvo will login failsafe
[06:57] <didrocks> mvo: better?
[06:57] <didrocks> mvo: you can do a local retracing otherwise you have the -dbgsym handy
[07:00] <mvo> didrocks: bug #1053848
[07:00] <didrocks> mvo: can you add me to subscriber? :)
[07:01]  * didrocks wants access :p
[07:01] <mvo> didrocks: *cough* I thought you can see *everything* ;)
[07:01] <didrocks> mvo: sure sure, I'm just pretending to not bein able :)
[07:01] <didrocks> being*
[07:01] <didrocks> mvo: looking with the unity guys on it now
[07:01] <mvo> didrocks: added you now, should I leave it as is or try something like unity --reset to see if that fixes it, i.e. if its a local setting or something
[07:01] <mvo> didrocks: cool, any channel I should join?
[07:02] <didrocks> mvo: can you try a guest session and run "unity" there?
[07:03] <didrocks> mvo: asking duflu to come here
[07:03] <mvo> didrocks: guest session appears fine
[07:03] <didrocks> mvo: with unity?
[07:03] <mvo> didrocks: yes
[07:03] <didrocks> ah, interesting
[07:03] <didrocks> so, what do you have in your config making that…
[07:04] <didrocks> duflu: hey, just a summary, seems that mvo can run unity successfully with a guest account
[07:04] <mvo> didrocks: not much really, I think :) my ccsm days are over, I just customized some stuff via the normal control center like focus follow mouse, custom keybindings etc
[07:04] <didrocks> duflu: so, seems to be a settings, let's see once retraced, but I bet gsettings-related
[07:05] <didrocks> mvo: we migrated some custom keybindings (but there is a bug in glib making that not all key are transitionned successfully)
[07:05] <duflu> didrocks: OK, will wait. In the mean time I will be in and out (crashing X)
[07:05] <didrocks> duflu: enjoy :)
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: anything I can buy you to get bug #1053848 retraced soon? :)
[07:07] <mvo> didrocks: ok, I will keep the system as it is and log into openbox or something in the meantime
[07:07] <didrocks> mvo: heh, that will remind you old times :)
[07:07] <didrocks> (I personnaly likes fluxbox)
[07:08] <mvo> didrocks: ahah, indeed
[07:19] <didrocks> mvo: retrace failed :/
[07:21] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:21] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[07:21] <didrocks> how are you?
[07:22] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, quite tired. had quite a late night last night. how are you?
[07:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: quite relieved to have unity/compiz stack landed and an iso spinning soon with it :)
[07:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: paperwork prepared for the release team, we are on track!
[07:22] <didrocks> I had a question from the release team though, about the firefox webapp support
[07:23] <didrocks> I know you discussed with the webapps guys
[07:23] <didrocks> can you update myself please where we are at?
[07:23] <didrocks> (sorry to bother you with that, but I prefer to have things prepared for the meeting with PS later today)
[07:24] <chrisccoulson> i need to check up on the bug, but i think they want me to look at a merge after i highlighted some issues with their "chromeless" support
[07:24] <chrisccoulson> not sure if all of those have been addressed yet
[07:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: do you think you will be able to do it today and keep me up to date then? (the meeting is at 4PM UTC)
[07:25] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sure
[07:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: thanks a lot :)
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> still trying to clear up some mess i found from bug 1051152 too, which resulted in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/451 last night ;)
[07:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051152 in globalmenu-extension "Firefox 16 beta crash in nsIContent::SetAttr with greasemonkey installed" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051152
[07:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so, you definitively hates greasemonkey now? :)
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> yes
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> i hated it before, anyway
[07:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: for their upstream code, how does mozilla handles it?
[07:27] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I guess they have quite some issues with such popular extensions
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> especially when firefox has a supported mechanism for injecting script in to content that doesn't rely on greasemonkey, and is future proof (so it will continue to work with multiple content processes, whereas greasemonkey will stop working)
[07:28] <chrisccoulson> oh, mozilla have a blocklist mechanism for problematic addons ;)
[07:28] <didrocks> ok, they just badlist it if something is really wrong with the extension?
[07:28] <chrisccoulson> although, that's normally used for malware, addons which introduce a security problem or as a last resort for addons which cause other problems (such as ours, causing crashes)
[07:29] <gotwig> I want a feature freeze exception for this commit for gnome control center: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=45ba8e89e86397df912e07df14d76373f1c7e7af  this fixes the error message from firewallid for finding network printers in Printers panel under GNOME Shell
[07:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok, got it :)
[07:30] <didrocks> gotwig: please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[07:30] <didrocks> gotwig: you will need an UIFe as well (same page)
[07:57] <Laney> hey
[07:57] <didrocks> hey Laney, how are you?
[07:58] <Laney> glad we got to the freeze :P
[07:58] <Laney> but yeah, good. you?
[07:59] <didrocks> Laney: approximately the same feeling :)
[08:02] <Laney> :-)
[08:05] <tjaalton> is it a known bug that the date on the indicator has some weird characters on fresh quantal?
[08:06] <didrocks> tjaalton: no, don't get that one, please file a bug and ping me
[08:06] <Laney> screenshot would be useful
[08:06] <czajkowski> Laney: found another bug! my machine won't power off! found this out the hard way and woke up to no battery :/
[08:06] <didrocks> larsu: hey, did you hear about anything like that? ^
[08:06] <tjaalton> didrocks: ok, at least with finnish locale
[08:06] <Laney> czajkowski: won't power off?
[08:06] <didrocks> tjaalton: for once, french one is fine :)
[08:06] <czajkowski> Laney: nope hit shut down from menu, brings me back to thelogin screen
[08:06] <czajkowski> Laney: have to hold the power button to shut it off
[08:06] <larsu> tjaalton, didrocks, haven't heard of that one yet, no
[08:07] <tjaalton> ok let me get a screenshot first
[08:08] <czajkowski> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1053852
[08:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053852 in lightdm "machine wont shut down without being forced to" [Undecided,New]
[08:08] <Laney> hm, is there no apport hook for lightdm?
[08:08] <tjaalton> hmm, and auto-raise got turned on
[08:09] <tjaalton> (i have just focus-follows-mouse)
[08:09] <tjaalton> *had
[08:09] <Laney> czajkowski: can you attach the files from /var/log/lightdm please
[08:11] <tjaalton> larsu, didrocks: http://koti.kapsi.fi/~tjaalton/tmp/date.png
[08:12] <didrocks> indeed, quite annoying :/ larsu: can you track it, with charles if needed? ^
[08:12] <didrocks> tjaalton: a bug would be appreciated
[08:12] <tjaalton> sure
[08:13] <tjaalton> against..?
[08:13] <larsu> tjaalton, indicator-datetime
[08:13] <tjaalton> thanks
[08:13] <larsu> didrocks, I won't be able to fix it today, have to finish a gtk patch, I'll let charles know as soon as he's online
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: sure, there is time, but would be nice to fix it before my EOD so that we can have it for beta2
[08:14] <larsu> didrocks, agreed.
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: keep me posted (or tell charles to keep me posted ;))
[08:14] <didrocks> thanks! :)
[08:18] <tjaalton> filed bug 1053875
[08:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053875 in indicator-datetime "space between date and time replaced with extra characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053875
[08:18] <didrocks> mvo: tell me when you have some time so that we play with your dconf config
[08:18] <larsu> tjaalton, thanks!
[08:24] <mvo> didrocks: now
[08:24]  * Laney sidles up to chrisccoulson
[08:24] <Laney> oh, Chriiiis?
[08:24] <didrocks> mvo: ok, so, just for testing, but can you try renaming you .config/dconf/user?
[08:24] <didrocks> mvo: so that we ensure it's a gsettings key to be at fault here
[08:24] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ← webapps there. Is it sane?
[08:25] <mvo> didrocks: hm, same deal
[08:25] <didrocks> mvo: ah, what can it be then? hum :/
[08:26] <didrocks> mvo: I guess you never ever installed unity by hand…
[08:26] <mvo> didrocks: uhhhhhhh, let me double check, a long time ago I did a patch for unity
[08:26] <didrocks> mvo: oh? so having some special .compiz, .compiz-1 content maybe?
[08:26] <didrocks> and .config/compiz-1
[08:27] <mvo> didrocks: let me double check
[08:29] <mvo> didrocks: .compiz-1 -> .compiz-1.xxx was it
[08:29] <mvo> didrocks: now it works
[08:29] <didrocks> mvo: yeah, you have an old compiz/unity installation
[08:29] <didrocks> mvo: didn't really like the ABI break I guess :p
[08:29] <mvo> didrocks: so that would only be quantal->quantal?
[08:30] <didrocks> mvo: that's only people compiling by hand and installing a local version
[08:30] <mvo> oh, I have local plugins?!?
[08:30] <didrocks> not using packages
[08:30] <mvo> how is that
[08:30] <didrocks> yep
[08:30] <didrocks> when you worked on it I guess
[08:30] <didrocks> it's installing them in .compiz-1/
[08:30] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, I cleaned /usr/local but I did not think about this
[08:31] <didrocks> mvo: yeah, it's puzzling, I know :)
[08:31] <didrocks> mvo: btw #1 issue when PS reports a crash and ping me about their code, telling that quantal is broken :p
[08:31] <mvo> didrocks: hm, I killed the .so files now but still no luck, so even session and .xml
[08:31] <mvo> kills it
[08:31] <didrocks> mvo: didn't you tell me that renaming the .compiz-1 worked?
[08:32] <didrocks> mvo: oh, not related, but think to rename (out of the session) your ~/.config/dconf/user file to not loose your dconf config :)
[08:33] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, renaming worked
[08:34] <didrocks> mvo: can you run tree on your content in it?
[08:36] <mvo> didrocks: a bunch of xml and a bunch of session files
[08:37] <didrocks> mvo: so, removing all xml files didn't work?
[08:38] <mvo> didrocks: removing the xml helped, so that is what it crashed it
[08:38] <mvo> didrocks: interessted in debugging further?
[08:38] <mvo> didrocks: or should I just remove them?
[08:38] <didrocks> mvo: no, you had those xml because of the local install
[08:38] <didrocks> mvo: and some keys changed
[08:38] <mvo> didrocks: ok
[08:38] <didrocks> so compiz was trying to load an unexisting keys for you I guess
[08:39] <didrocks> hence the crash
[08:39] <didrocks> but really related to your local install :)
[08:39] <didrocks> phew! Thanks mvo :)
[08:39] <mvo> didrocks: :)
[08:40] <mvo> didrocks: thank you, sorry for wasting your time
[08:40] <didrocks> mvo: no worry at all ;)
[08:40] <mvo> didrocks: one further question, how do I get back my focus-follow-mouse? can't see it in the control center
[08:40] <mvo> or am I just blind?
[08:40] <didrocks> mvo: it wasn't in control-center IIRC, not sure how you set it
[08:41] <didrocks> mvo: did you do this:
[08:41] <mvo> didrocks: ccsm seem to have no effect too
[08:41] <didrocks> 10:32:38      didrocks | mvo: oh, not related, but think to rename (out of the session) your ~/.config/dconf/user file to not loose
[08:41] <didrocks>                        | your dconf config :)
[08:41] <mvo> didrocks: I did!
[08:41] <didrocks> hum, so maybe the data is not read anymore
[08:41] <didrocks> oh, gtk-window-decorator moved to gsettings
[08:41] <didrocks> I bet the config was in gconf
[08:42] <didrocks> mvo: do you remember the name of the key?
[08:42] <mvo> didrocks: no :(
[08:42] <didrocks> can try to find it in gsettings
[08:42] <didrocks> hum, let me try to look at it
[08:42] <didrocks> mvo: where was it in g-c-c?
[08:42] <mvo> didrocks: I can search for it too, no worries
[08:43] <didrocks> mvo: don't find it easily, but the migration code was only gconf -> gsettings, so it should still work, if you didn't find it anymore, just poke me and I'll look
[08:43] <mvo> didrocks: hm, let me dig around a bit, its my own pet specal configuration (focus-follow-mouse, autoraise) and most people will not care
[08:44] <mvo> didrocks: thanks again for your help
[08:44] <didrocks> mvo: you're really welcomed :)
[08:49] <mvo> didrocks: yipieee, org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences made me a happy man again
[08:50] <didrocks> mvo: excellent! Thanks for the update :)
[08:56] <gotwig> is gnome with the new languages and regions going to come to quantal?
[08:56] <gotwig> *languages and regions panel for gnome control center
[08:56] <didrocks> gotwig: no, we stay on the earlier gnome-control-center version
[08:56] <didrocks> for quantal
[08:57] <gotwig> didrocks: so no new languages and regions for 12.10?
[08:57] <gotwig> *packaged for 12.10
[08:57] <didrocks> no
[08:57] <gotwig> I would be interessted in a PPA :X
[08:57] <didrocks> will be in R
[08:57] <gotwig> 13.04?
[08:57] <didrocks> yep
[08:58] <gotwig> alright
[09:11] <gotwig> didrocks: do you know how to make a PPA?
[09:11] <didrocks> gotwig: you should go to #ubuntu-motu to get some help on that I guess and read the launchpad help on ppas
[09:11] <didrocks> gotwig: I warn you, doing this update is not trivial
[09:12] <didrocks> gotwig: it will break a lot of functionality
[09:12] <didrocks> that's why we don't take it into distro
[09:12] <didrocks> gotwig: also talk to ricotz when he's aroud, he's making a latest gnome ppa
[09:12] <gotwig> well I know ricotz :D
[09:13] <didrocks> so, you should coordinate with him :)
[09:14] <Laney> he has something in https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging
[09:17] <gotwig> n1te
[09:19] <doko> didrocks, pitti, could you have a look at the glib2.0 ftbfs on arm*?
[09:21] <tkamppeter> Laney, I have put upa a bug fix for GTK, bug 1053891. The bug prevents users from printing in many cases.
[09:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891
[09:22] <Laney> tkamppeter: ok
[09:22] <Laney> is it upstream?
[09:24] <didrocks> seems a test failure, pitti is the expert :)
[09:24] <Laney> he's been working the test failures already
[09:29] <tkamppeter> Laney, I have reported it also upstream, now.
[09:30] <Laney> tkamppeter: cheer
[09:30] <Laney> s
[09:30] <Laney> if you get somebody else to upload then I will be able to accept
[09:30] <didrocks> tkamppeter: hey! are you working on bug #932882?
[09:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 932882 in gutenprint "Update of a printer driver package does not update the PPD files of the existing queues for this driver" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932882
[09:33] <tkamppeter> didrocks, I have looked into it but I am not able to reproduce it, I have tried to stop CUPS and the update process restarts CUPS then, I have tried to update both CUPS and Gutenprint from the same command line, for me the PPDs get always updated.
[09:34] <Sweetsharks2> morning everyone!
[09:34] <tkamppeter> Laney, you do not have upload rights on GTK?
[09:34] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you upload GTK for me, bug 1053891? Thanks.
[09:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891
[09:34] <Laney> tkamppeter: I do. I mean that if I am the one to upload it then I cannot then accept it through the freeze
[09:35] <didrocks> tkamppeter: can you put it as incomplete then and downgrade to medium the priority of it?
[09:35] <didrocks> tkamppeter: let's get a real list of things we can fix that way! Thanks :)
[09:37]  * Sweetsharks2  is on limited connectivity today. Can join this wifi with my android phone only, so I cant see my Canonical email. I will try to check those at the airport ~1400 UTC
[09:37] <tkamppeter> didrocks, done.
[09:37] <didrocks> tkamppeter: thanks :)
[09:38] <didrocks> hey Sweetsharks2!
[09:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you accept uploads through the freeze, or upload GTK so that Laney can accept it? Thanks.
[09:39] <Laney> he's not on the release team any more ;(
[09:39] <Laney> I could upload it and get someone else to review
[09:39]  * Sweetsharks2  waves back at didrocks.
[09:39] <Laney> tkamppeter: I'll do that
[09:40] <Laney> DEP3 patch headers would be nice in future btw
[09:40] <pitti> tkamppeter, Laney: I can accept it from the -proposed queue; and uploading GTK to -proposed is a good idea anyway
[09:40] <pitti> (sorry, DSL reconnect)
[09:40] <Laney> it's ok, I'm doing it now
[09:40] <Laney> release team reviews should be the same for proposed
[09:41] <Laney> as there's not really any further check guaranteed when someone copies it to release
[09:48] <Laney> tkamppeter: Shouldn't the preceding httpSeparateURI be put in an else block of that if you added?
[09:54] <tkamppeter> Laney, no, the first httpSeparateURI determines the method. If the method is dnssd, the second is done, if it is not dnssd, the result of the first is OK.
[09:55] <Laney> oh, that's an out parameter
[09:55] <Laney> ta
[10:53] <pitti> early start/end today, have a nice weekend everyone!
[10:56] <ogra_> pitti, enjoy
[11:01] <didrocks> see you pitti :)
[11:13] <Laney> hum
[11:13] <Laney> the retracers tell you to upgrade to packages in -proposed if there are newer ones there
[11:23]  * Sweetsharks2  hopes 4000mAh are enough to finish this LibreOffice release build.
[11:57] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1053670
[11:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053670 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:57] <Laney> the trace mentions dbusmenu, and they started coming in very soon after that upload
[11:59] <Laney> charles: ^ ;-)
[12:06] <tkamppeter> Laney, I have tested the GTK package from quantal-proposed and it works (bug 1053891).
[12:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891
[12:06] <Laney> tkamppeter: good, should be copied over when all arches build
[12:06]  * Laney goes to lunch
[12:07] <doko> didrocks, anybody working on the glib2.0 ftbfs?
[12:10] <didrocks> doko: as Laney stated above: 11:24:55         Laney | he's been working the test failures already
[12:11] <didrocks> it's in -proposed anyway, so won't get copied to quantal
[12:11] <didrocks> so pitti is on it
[12:13] <doko> ahh, ok
[12:19] <doko> didrocks, hmm, no, the failure is in quantal too :-/
[12:19] <didrocks> oh?
[12:20] <doko> 2.33.14-1 is in quantal, the svn version in -proposed
[12:20] <desrt> bonan matenon, ĉiuj
[12:20] <didrocks> hey desrt
[12:20] <didrocks> doko: one sec
[12:21] <didrocks> doko: right, but 3.5.18-0ubuntu2 didn't FTBFS from what I see
[12:21] <didrocks> so the version which FTBFS is only in proposde
[12:21] <didrocks> proposed
[12:22] <doko> didrocks, no, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.33.14-1 shows the same ftbfs
[12:22] <didrocks> ah glib
[12:22] <didrocks> sorry, was one gtk
[12:23] <doko> gtk is ok
[12:23] <didrocks> doko: seems pitti already did try different fixes for it
[12:24] <didrocks> and he's the one knowing the best the testsuite
[12:24] <doko> ok
[12:37]  * Sweetsharks2  is leaveing on a jetplane.
[12:38] <didrocks> Sweetsharks2: have a safe flight!
[12:40] <desrt> Sweetsharks2: ciao
[12:57] <doko> didrocks, is the evolution demotion correct?
[13:13] <czajkowski> Laney: so who can I poke re the powering off not working?
[13:13] <czajkowski> forogt about it and came back to a nearly dead laptop :/
[13:13] <didrocks> doko: no, I'll look at it why
[13:14] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you why what happened around evolution btw? ^
[13:17] <jbicha> czajkowski: it's probably at least related to bug 861171
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861171 in policykit "Shutdown from greeter does nothing when multiple accounts open" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861171
[13:22] <czajkowski> jbicha: hmm interesting it doesnt seem to matter if it's one account or many
[13:26] <jbicha> maybe it got worse then
[13:26] <jbicha> I wonder if it could be confused by system services running in the background as different users
[13:28] <jbicha> I think the primary problem could just be solved if we wrote a policykit policy to give admin users the chance to shutdown anyway even if other users are logged in
[13:38] <cyphermox> didrocks: no idea
[13:39] <cyphermox> have you found out why it was demoted?
[13:40] <didrocks> cyphermox: no, wanted to know if anything changed
[13:40] <Laney> there's no reason for it to be in main that I can see
[13:40] <Laney> no rdepends and it's not seeded
[13:40] <didrocks> cyphermox: evolution was supposed to be in the supported seed?
[13:40] <didrocks> Laney: I think we kept it in the supported seed, it's still officially supported
[13:41] <cyphermox> I think it probably was just still partly depended on (e-d-s was anyway) because of thunderbird's eds integration, so maybe it never got in the supported seed
[13:41] <didrocks> ah ok :)
[13:41] <didrocks> adding it there then
[13:42] <cyphermox> I have no idea otherwise, I think you'll find we already added some other things from evo in supported, evolution-exchange maybe ;)
[13:42] <didrocks> nop, only  * /^evolution-documentation-/
[13:42] <cyphermox> ah, weird
[13:42] <cyphermox> I really thought there was one of them
[13:42] <cyphermox> evolution-documentation-*, does that even exist?
[13:43] <cyphermox> I can't think of a source package that creates it ;)
[13:43] <didrocks> cyphermox: doesn't seem so
[13:43] <didrocks> anyway, evo fixed, in supported now
[13:49] <didrocks> larsu: hum, my machine is almost charged (and the label confirms) but the icon shows 20% charged, is that a symlinking issue?
[13:49] <charles> Laney, thanks!
[13:49] <charles> Laney: I'll take a look
[13:49] <Laney> rocking, thank you
[13:50] <czajkowski> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1053852  my issue.
[13:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053852 in lightdm "machine wont shut down without being forced to" [Undecided,New]
[13:54] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hey, did you get some time to do the review?
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i've not commented yet, but i guess it's ok
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> but then, i don't really have any say in the matter tbh
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> it's a strange idea of chromeless, anyway
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> just hiding the navigation bar (which doesn't even hide the addressbar if you move it to another toolbar), and keeping all other chrome visible (menu, bookmarks, history, addon manager, addon bar, tabstrip, basically everything except for the navigation bar)
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> odd
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> this is what i imagine chromeless to look like: https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/245656603737595905/photo/1/large
[13:57] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh really?
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> (also firefox)
[13:57]  * didrocks looks
[13:57] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, looking weird indeed
[13:58] <charles> tjaalton: ping
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> our implementation is weird, and there are theme artefacts with the tabstrip when the navigation bar isn't present
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> it just looks bad
[13:58] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: "nice" :/
[13:58] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: but firefox doesn't have any chromeless mode?
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, it does. see my screenshot :)
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> that's the mozilla chromeless
[13:59] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: this is ours?
[13:59] <didrocks> ah :)
[13:59] <didrocks> ok
[13:59] <tjaalton> didrocks: pong
[13:59] <didrocks> misunderstood
[13:59] <didrocks> tjaalton: hum, did I ping you? :)
[13:59] <tjaalton> oh sorry
[13:59] <tjaalton> I was lazy :)
[13:59] <tjaalton> charles: ^
[13:59] <mterry> chrisccoulson, heyo.  You got a chance to review the webapps firefox plugins, right?  The unity-firefox-extension and webapps-greasemonkey?
[14:00] <didrocks> tjaalton: stop being lazy! :-)
[14:00] <tjaalton> lazy reader :)
[14:00] <didrocks> heh ;)
[14:00] <tjaalton> I just assumed it was you :)
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> mterry, it's pointless me reviewing them, because we're going to ship them regardless of what i find
[14:00] <mterry> chrisccoulson, is there a problem with chromeless support?  (reading backlog)
[14:00] <didrocks> tjaalton: I can fix that and I have bugs for you :p
[14:00] <mterry> chrisccoulson, :-/
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> mterry, yeah, it's hideous

[14:00] <mterry> chrisccoulson, I think we're enabling it?  Is that a bad decision?
[14:01] <charles> tjaalton: just checking, in the screenshot you put on https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1053875, that's with language settings set to Finnish, yes?
[14:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053875 in indicator-datetime "space between date and time replaced with extra characters" [High,Confirmed]
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> the tab strip (why is a tabstrip displayed in "chromeless" anyway) looks bad without the navigation bar with our implementation
[14:01] <tjaalton> charles: yep
[14:01] <charles> tjaalton: I'm not seeing it here and am going to test it out in that setting
[14:01] <didrocks> charles: doesn't happen with French for instance
[14:01] <charles> ok, thanks
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> also, we display the entire firefox menu still, including "View -> Toolbars -> Navigation Bar", which doesn't even work
[14:01] <charles> yeah it should show up as an en space, not sure why it isn't in Finnish
[14:02] <mterry> chrisccoulson, hmm.  :-/
[14:02] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: this is because of the appmenu support?
[14:02] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: like, the real upstream chromeless hides it?
[14:02] <mterry> chrisccoulson, well, back to the other thing.  have you found anything any problems with greasemonkey or unity plugins yet?  Or did you not bother looking?
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, the real upstream chromeless hides everything (well, it doesn't just hide it, the browser chrome isn't loaded at all. ie, no tabstrip, addon bar, navbar, menubar, sidebars, addon manager etc)
[14:03] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ah, this is the upstream one, do you have an image of ours?
[14:03] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: and I guess the question is why we don't use the upstream one :)
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, that's a question for them
[14:03] <didrocks> I know ;)
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> mterry, you really don't want my opinion on greasemonkey :)
[14:06] <charles> hmm, no WFM even with my language set to suomi
[14:07] <didrocks> charles: do you have latest unity (6.6) (not likely to be the cause, but we never know…)
[14:07] <didrocks> ?
[14:08] <charles> didrocks: no, I'm still on 6.4.0-0ubuntu6, I'll do an update
[14:08] <charles> didrocks: thanks for the suggestion
[14:08] <didrocks> charles: no worry, but I'm not really hopeful that will trigger it TBH :/
[14:08] <didrocks> few changes in the panel area
[14:09] <charles> tjaalton: any insights on how to trigger it?
[14:09] <charles> tjaalton: does the behavior change if you change your locale?
[14:09] <charles> tjaalton: and as per dobey's suggestion a few lines up, what version of unity are you on?
[14:11] <tjaalton> charles: I seem to have another machine with 6.4.0+bzr2680 which has it
[14:11] <dobey> oops, i think i broke charles :)
[14:11] <tjaalton> charles: the other one has 6.6
[14:12] <charles> dobey: lol :)
[14:13] <charles> tjaalton: and, what happens if you change language settings?
[14:15] <doko> didrocks, cyphermox: is bogofilter used by evolution too? wants to demote too ...
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, that's ours by the way: http://ubuntuone.com/79PlBEH8uxo8dpMcXZ3OdQ
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> (see the line under the active tab, which isn't there when the navigation bar is present)
[14:16] <cyphermox> doko: it's a Recommends, yes. didrocks put evolution in the supported seed earlier
[14:16] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, seeing, weird to see the tab, but I think there are design consideration about "external site"
[14:16] <didrocks> cyphermox: we should upload removing that recommends, doesn't seems necessary to me, wdyt?
[14:16] <cyphermox> didrocks: it's used by the often unused spam detection thingy in evo
[14:16] <tjaalton> charles: everything else changed the setting, but indicator-datetime :) (still in finnish..)
[14:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: do we turn it by default if installed?
[14:17] <cyphermox> nah, IIRC it needs to be enabled in evo
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> right, exercise time
[14:17] <cyphermox> and I think evo will tell you if neither it nor spamassassin are installed
[14:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: hum, maybe it's still good to let it anyway
[14:17] <doko> cyphermox, no, Recommends: evolution-plugins, yelp, bogofilter | spamassassin
[14:17] <cyphermox> so in that case, yeah, Iguess we could remove it
[14:17] <didrocks> if it pings you about it
[14:18]  * cyphermox tests
[14:18] <doko> if it demotes, then it only should be the second alternative
[14:18] <didrocks> yeah, 2 spam filters is a little bit ETOOMUCH anyway in main
[14:18] <didrocks> cyphermox: can we confirm us what's the best between the 2?
[14:18] <didrocks> you*
[14:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: good luck!
[14:21] <cyphermox> oh boy
[14:24] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: that web apps feature keeps the new tab button?
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, it keeps everything, except for the navigation bar
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> including everything that's normally accessible via the menus
[14:25] <jbicha> doesn't sound very useful...
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> which is different to the upstream one, which hides absolutely everything
[14:25] <larsu> didrocks, checking right now
[14:25] <doko> didrocks, cyphermox: there are some more binaries for demotion: glade, indicator-sync, powerwake.. intended?
[14:26] <didrocks> doko: indicator-sync is a U1 think
[14:26] <didrocks> dobey: ^
[14:26] <didrocks> doko: glade was in main? waow
[14:26] <didrocks> doko: glade is fine to demote
[14:26] <didrocks> powerwake…
[14:26] <cyphermox> indicator-sync I don't think is intentional, especially since it's just gone through MIR
[14:27] <larsu> didrocks, battery-full-symbolic and battery-good-symbolic have the right icons... can you check those two on your system?
[14:27] <didrocks> cyphermox: I don't think as well, but not sure if they got the FFe/UIFe for inclusion by default
[14:27] <didrocks> larsu: doing
[14:27] <didrocks> larsu: the full is fine
[14:27] <doko> didrocks, apparently other glade binaries are still in main
[14:27] <didrocks> larsu: it's just the one before
[14:27] <didrocks> doko: right, the glade binaries are needed in main
[14:27] <didrocks> doko: glade itself… not really
[14:27] <cyphermox> didrocks: not yet, there's a bug but skaet NAK'd it, it was missing rationale
[14:28] <Laney> no, it was denied
[14:28] <dobey> uh yeah, indicator-sync should not be demoted
[14:28] <Laney> perhaps we want to put it in supported
[14:28] <larsu> didrocks, the one right before is -good, right charles?
[14:28] <didrocks> cyphermox: shouldn't be promoted or added to a seed meanwhile then
[14:28] <doko> dobey, could you seed it?
[14:28] <doko> cyphermox, what do you refer to?
[14:28] <didrocks> doko: sorry, I meant "glade libraries"
[14:29] <cyphermox> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sync/+bug/1053482
[14:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053482 in unity "[FFe] [UIFe] Install indicator-sync by default" [Undecided,New]
[14:29] <dobey> doko: not if skaet won't let me, no :)
[14:29] <dobey> but i would like to yes :)
[14:29] <didrocks> dobey: you can put in the supported seed
[14:29] <doko> dobey, demote it?
[14:30] <didrocks> dobey: that won't install it by default
[14:30] <didrocks> larsu: the symlinks looks good
[14:30] <Laney> doesn't seem to particularly matter if it falls out of main though
[14:30] <Laney> the source package will still be there, no?
[14:31] <mterry> didrocks, feel like some NEW reviews?
[14:31] <dobey> doko: why demote it? i don't understand why demoting it is even a question. it just went into main
[14:31] <didrocks> larsu: however, just before I see battery-full-charged-symbolic, I get battery-low-charging-symbolic
[14:31] <Laney> dobey: things only stay in main if there is a reason for them to do so
[14:31] <didrocks> mterry: if it's short, fine for me
[14:31] <cyphermox> doko: you meant indicator-sync the binary package, right? libsync-menu1 is still going to be in main
[14:31] <Laney> there is no reason ATM for indicator-sync to stay there.
[14:31] <larsu> didrocks, a bug in indicator-power maybe?
[14:32] <doko> cyphermox, yes, the binary
[14:32] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, that would be my bet
[14:32] <didrocks> larsu: minor, keeping it in mind, if you use your laptop on battery, try to watch this
[14:32] <cyphermox> in this case it doesn't really matter if it's in main or universe until it gets installed by default, AFAIK
[14:32] <larsu> didrocks, will do
[14:32] <larsu> didrocks, thanks for the pointer
[14:32] <didrocks> larsu: no worry, I'll keep you posted
[14:32] <charles> didrocks, larsu: here's a cheatsheet of what icons i-power is looking for, and in what order
[14:33] <charles> didrocks, larsu: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-power/trunk.12.10/view/head:/tests/test-device.cc#L222
[14:34] <didrocks> charles: ah, so it's the same icon from 5% charging to 95%?
[14:34] <didrocks> I confirm it's what I saw
[14:34] <didrocks> larsu: ^
[14:35] <charles> didrocks: yes, that's the way the spec wants it
[14:35] <didrocks> ok, it's puzzling, but mistery solved
[14:35] <didrocks> mpt: hey, it's weird ^
[14:35] <didrocks> :)
[14:35] <charles> didrocks:
[14:35] <dobey> woah, nautilus just went insane on my laptop with latest updates in q
[14:36] <charles>   This function's logic differs from GSD's power plugin in some ways:
[14:36] <charles>   1. All charging batteries use the same icon regardless of progress.
[14:36] <charles>   <https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-power/+bug/824629/comments/7>
[14:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824629 in ayatana-design "Time to charge may be hard to distinguish from time to discharge" [Low,Fix released]
[14:36] <didrocks> charles: oh I trust that you followed the spec :)
[14:36] <didrocks> just that it's weird
[14:36] <charles> mpt, didrocks: given the new icons, it might be time to revisit / eliminate 824629
[14:36] <didrocks> I was thinking that after a 10 minutes without AC and plugin again, I saw something like 20% of charged
[14:37] <didrocks> charles: yeah, would be good I think, to approximately see where the loading is about
[14:37] <charles> didrocks: iirc the issue was that the 'fill' level in the battery icon made it difficult to see the charging lightning icon
[14:38] <cyphermox> didrocks: I wouldn't be able to say that bogofilter or spamassassin is better, but what's for sure is bogofilter appears to have fewer dependencies than spamassassin
[14:38] <didrocks> charles: yeah, I can understand, but it's not consistent with what you can expect and other dekstop/mobile OS are doing
[14:39] <charles> didrocks: *nod*
[14:39] <didrocks> cyphermox: I think we'll need to pick one :)
[14:40] <cyphermox> I know ;)
[14:40] <cyphermox> how's a 600k + difference in "CD size", still any relevant?
[14:40] <cyphermox> IIRC we still have a top limit at some point ;)
[14:40] <didrocks> cyphermox: well, not in any CD
[14:40] <cyphermox> oh, true
[14:40] <didrocks> cyphermox: so really your pick, on the one which seems to be the most active upstream
[14:41] <didrocks> cyphermox: I think you can delay the check on Monday
[14:41] <doko> spamassassin has more rdeps
[14:42] <didrocks> yeah, I checked that
[14:42] <didrocks> however, I don't konw the rdeps
[14:42] <didrocks> know*
[14:42] <didrocks> apart from kmail
[14:46] <cyphermox> where did you see kmail?
[14:47] <cyphermox> neither look very active, TBH, but I'm leaning more towards spamassassin
[14:50] <dobey> how active does a spam filter really need to be upstream? bogofilter itself doesn't really do much, user has to do all the training, and spamassassin is basically just rules updates
[14:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: once you have reach a decision, if it's spamassassin, can you revert the recommends between them?
[14:51] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:52] <Sweetshark> didrocks: which one was the libreoffice metapackage bug again?
[14:53] <didrocks> Sweetshark: bug #1045165 (see http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html)
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1045165 in libreoffice "libreoffice is shown as no longer supported on upgrade to quantal" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045165
[14:54] <Sweetshark> didrocks: thx
[14:54] <didrocks> yw :)
[14:54] <doko> Sweetshark, could you followup or close bug #1034560 ?
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1034560 in libserializer "[MIR] libloader-java, libformula-java, librepository-java, libfonts-java, libserializer-java " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034560
[14:57] <doko> and 1034558
[14:57] <didrocks> tjaalton: did you try a guest session btw?
[14:58] <tjaalton> didrocks: now I did, same thing
[14:58] <doko> didrocks, ahh, powerwake is server stuff
[14:58] <didrocks> ok, worthed a try in case there was a local factor :)
[14:58] <didrocks> doko: ah, that explains why I never saw it :)
[14:58] <Sweetshark> doko: done
[14:59] <Sweetshark> doko: postponed to next cycle
[14:59] <doko> ok
[15:05] <davidcalle> didrocks, hi, what's the recommended way to land small bugfixes at this stage? New upstream release, distro patch?
[15:05] <didrocks> davidcalle: depends, if one or two commits, distro patch
[15:05] <didrocks> if more -> I would prefer a release
[15:07] <davidcalle> didrocks, two commits.
[15:07] <Sweetshark> didrocks, micahg: could you review http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f60525baa5d8f0b0c195cf3dfc4b12d6c6aa1e1 and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fd97c90d9fef961b4143337f7aad2f1617273a2 ?
[15:07] <didrocks> davidcalle: should be fine, can't deal with that before monday (in meetings)
[15:07] <didrocks> Sweetshark: same answer ^
[15:08] <didrocks> if anyone else in the team want to have a look
[15:09] <davidcalle> mterry, hi, would you have time for a small distro patch to the photos lens?
[15:09] <davidcalle> didrocks, thanks
[15:10] <mterry> davidcalle, it won't land for B2, but OK
[15:10] <mterry> can go into -proposed
[15:11] <davidcalle> mterry, oh, I've just noticed you are on the webapps stuff, nevermind, it will wait ;)
[15:12] <mterry> davidcalle, that is quiet right this second, I can help
[15:12] <didrocks> davidcalle: please add tests
[15:12] <didrocks> for the regressions
[15:13] <didrocks> and the manual tests (I didn't look yet for them ;))
[15:13] <davidcalle> didrocks, I hope you didn't. I still need to look at how they are done now, looks like they have changed since last cycle.
[15:14] <didrocks> davidcalle: just do manual one before the next upload please
[15:14] <davidcalle> didrocks, ok
[15:15] <didrocks> merci! :)
[15:15] <davidcalle> mterry, I'll ping you about it later then, thanks :)
[15:16] <tjaalton> charles, didrocks: further updates seem to have fixed the datetime issue
[15:16] <didrocks> urgh?
[15:16]  * didrocks is puzzled
[15:16] <tjaalton> me too..
[15:17] <tjaalton> I'll check the other machine too
[15:21] <tjaalton> yup, fixed
[15:21] <didrocks> tjaalton: weird, would be interested in the list of packages you updated :)
[15:22] <tjaalton> probably the libgtk-3 update
[15:22] <micahg> Sweetshark: looks fine to me, you might want to also see if you need to change that font to its new name as it was renamed in precise
[15:22] <tjaalton> not that many that were updated
[15:22] <didrocks> ok :)
[15:37] <tkamppeter> didrocks, is there still anything to do on bug 1053891? Or is it now only waiting for someone with appropriate rights to put it into Quantal?
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891
[15:37] <didrocks> tkamppeter: nothing needed, I just targeted it so that we don't loose track of it. Thanks!
[15:39] <charles> tjaalton, huh. okay
[15:39] <charles> tjaalton: thanks for the update :)
[15:42] <tjaalton> charles: there were also some language-pack updates, more likely that it was a bug there
[15:44] <didrocks> yeah, most likely
[15:52] <micahg> Sweetshark: BTW, I wouldn't bother with an upload for this to beta 2 IMHO, it should go in for final though
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> phew, knackered
[16:17] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hey! Can you please comment on bug #1040313 and bug #1053578? The release/PS team is asking to have some comments from you to take their decision
[16:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040313 in libunity-webapps "[FFE] Update WebApps to support Firefox" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040313
[16:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053578 in firefox "[FFE] [UIFE] add chromeless mode to Firefox" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053578
[16:17] <didrocks> skaet: ^
[16:22] <davidcalle> mterry, hi again, i've added manual tests for each photo provider. Do you still have time for an upload?
[16:40] <skaet> didrocks,  ack.
[16:42]  * didrocks waves good evening and good week-end now!
[16:42] <didrocks> see you on Monday everyone :)
[16:45] <Laney> bye!
[16:45] <Laney> (too slow)
[17:07] <xnox> what is the package of the desktop keyboard indicator?
[17:07] <xnox> aka general keyboard layout settings
[17:07] <xnox> g-s-c ?
[17:10] <mterry> davidcalle, nope, not right this second, sorry
[17:21] <davidcalle> mterry, ok :)
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, firefox + valgrind = PAIN
[17:46] <xnox> chrisccoulson: i think the pain starts at the first argument.
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> not really ;)
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> bugger, so one of the recent commits to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/changes has introduced quite a sizeable leak :(
[20:05] <chrisccoulson> ah, found my memory leak :)
[21:21] <dupondje> Anyone else with issues browsing to smb mounts in nautilus?
[22:45] <Sweetshark> micahg: I wouldnt bother any release or timing for this issue alone. It will be piggybacked whatever unitymenus changes there are.
[22:46] <Sweetshark> (those are the critical stuff, both from a regression risk and a timing/feature view ...
[22:48] <micahg> Sweetshark: well, we should get an upload before final freeze, but I assume you'll have other changes before then
[22:48] <Sweetshark> micahg: sure
[22:57] <micahg> Sweetshark: have a good weekend
[22:57] <Sweetshark> micahg: thanks, you too.
[22:58]  * Sweetshark just arrived back home after a long flight.


[07:17] <sama> Hi guys. Nobody has any solution for my question? (a kind of offline file indexing system)
[11:03] <shangul> sama, you may see "man locate" and "man find" to get many ideas
[11:03] <shangul> also there is a database
[11:07] <sama> Thanks. I will try to see if that would work for me. But it seems they are not able to get the metadata or filetype
[11:15] <shangul> i did not say that works for you but may help
[11:47] <Mehdi> کسی هست؟
[11:47] <Mehdi> یه سوال داشتم
[11:48] <Mehdi> میخواستم ببینم که چطوری میشه دریم ویور رو تو اوبونتو نصب کرد
[11:49] <shangul> you had to wait more Mehdi...
[19:01] <janan> سلام
[19:01] <janan> همگی خسته نباشید
[19:01] <janan> انگلیسی باید بنویسم یا فارسی یا فینگلیش؟
[19:02] <janan> ببخشید نمی دونم
[19:09] <shangul> janan, harchi mikhay


[05:03] <andrew> JonathanD: Happy Getting-Older Day!
[09:46] <JonathanD> Thanks.
[09:46] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[10:42] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:46] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[14:42] <InHisName> pangolin: did you get someone yet to help with the PC fixin' ?
[14:49] <InHisName> Oh, yes, good morning all
[15:11] <pangolin> Goodmorning, and no I haven't
[15:12] <pangolin> InHisName: ^
[15:15] <waltman> JonathanD: Happy birthday!
[15:36] <InHisName> pangolin: It is an XP box that just suddenly stopped working with new USB items being inserted ?   Like the wireless mouse and keyboard ?
[15:37] <pangolin> correct
[15:37] <pangolin> the usb ports stopped working.
[15:37] <InHisName> Has there been a history is issues with that mouse & keyboard with others before ?   If usually works out then maybe a simple fix of some kind.
[15:39] <InHisName> I get real frustrated when I seek out a problem and find 40,000 others typing the same thing, BUT no solutions are forthcoming .    Grrrr...
[15:39] <pangolin> the pc is new, 6months old, he got a new keyboard and mouse for xmas (wireless) and the usb ports stopped working.
[15:40] <pangolin> it could very well be they got fried somehow but doubtful
[15:40] <InHisName> There was evidence of USB working multiple times before the mouse etc. ?
[15:40] <pangolin> indeed, his wireless headset worked fine before that.
[15:41] <InHisName> No no mem sticks, headsets, orig mouse etc --- no nuttin' works ?
[15:41] <pangolin> the wired mouse has also stopped working since, but before the wireless mouse/KB the usb ports were working fine.
[15:42] <pangolin> a wired KB does work now but not a wired mouse.
[15:42] <InHisName> begining to sound that something killed the usb (fried?)
[15:42] <InHisName> the KB is USB ?
[15:43] <pangolin> the working KB is wired.
[15:43] <pangolin> the wireless KB does not work.
[15:43] <InHisName> the wired KB has flat usb connector or the round one ?
[15:43] <pangolin> ps/2
[15:44] <InHisName> OK, goes to slightly diff hardware to function.
[15:44] <pangolin> right, but a ps/2 mouse does not work
[15:44] <InHisName> interesting
[15:44] <pangolin> the ps/2 mouse was working until the wireless mouse was attached.
[15:45] <InHisName> Could be both have separate input buffer sections.    The mouse may share more with USB than the KB circuit.
[15:45] <pangolin> so, I am thinking there is some service involving mice that is disabled somehow??? or the usb just died.
[15:46] <InHisName> Died is highest probability with our long distance speculations.
[15:46] <pangolin> if it is the usb ports this means i would need to get new MoBo?
[15:47] <InHisName> Other possible scenarios:   someone reflashed the bios with an almost ok bios.  Oooopsie.
[15:47] <pangolin> I spoke to my son and he promises he did not do anything of the sort.
[15:48] <pangolin> I thought about bios maybe being an issue
[15:48] <InHisName> Maybe a driver got loaded that is loading the USB so much its not functional, but hardware might recover if it is removed.     However you mentioned the OS was reinstalled  (from scratch ??   i.e. repartition and started clean ?)
[15:48] <pangolin> he could be not telling me the whole truth to avoid getting in trouble despite me telling him I won't be angry.
[15:49] <InHisName> Son's age ?  8 or 18 or 38?
[15:49] <pangolin> yes, the OS was clean installed
[15:49] <pangolin> 11
[15:49] <InHisName> Computer whiz or just regular kid ?
[15:49] <pangolin> smart kid, enough to get himself into trouble :)
[15:50] <pangolin> this is why I asked if he messed around with bios settings or installed anything new.
[15:50] <InHisName> Ok 1/2 whiz ...    edge of possible danger + lotta ignorance  = whew fun ride.
[15:50] <pangolin> indeed.
[15:51] <InHisName> Summarize this into brief bullets.  and ask for honest admissions or you are unable to help out.    --->
[15:51] <pangolin> it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to do something to get an extra 2fps for some game lol
[15:52] <pangolin> but he insists he did not do anything, install anything, change anything.
[15:52] <InHisName> @  stuck metal object into usb port and 'something' happened.
[15:52] <InHisName> @ reflashed bios
[15:52] <InHisName> @ installed driver between working headset and failing moment of mouse/kb
[15:53] <InHisName> @ lightning storm did something to house one day "between"
[15:54] <InHisName> Add at least 2-7 more items  for him to pick from and or admit to.
[15:54] <InHisName> Some indicate junk the MB
[15:55] <InHisName> Some allow a rebuild to clear issue,  --> did that already , I think.
[15:56] <InHisName> Here is first I looked at:   $20  http://pc-diagnostics.com/pc_diagnostics_tools/usbtest.shtml   never used this.   Looking for 'free' something.
[15:57] <InHisName> Uggh Aligent --> $2,343
[15:59] <InHisName> if he is trully a half whiz,   does he have a LIVE CD for linux available to him.
[15:59] <InHisName> ?
[15:59] <InHisName> http://www.linux-usb.org/usbtest/    Boot live d/l what ever this is and try this out.  If linux works, then MB ok.
[16:02] <pangolin> that is not going to be an option.
[16:02] <InHisName> If he needs help and has available PC to type at,   send him to http://webchat.freenode.net  and go to #ubuntu-us-pa and we can all join in helping him understand the hard parts.
[16:04] <InHisName> This might be too brief for our help.   -- http://www.ehow.com/facts_7704390_usb-testing-software.html
[16:08] <InHisName> 'free'     usb test software --> http://www.techimo.com/forum/technical-support/183757-usb-testing-software.html
[16:10] <InHisName> If USB can be proved to pass hardware eval, then MB is ok.   Probably worth a trip out to fix computer.
[16:11] <pangolin> I'll see what I can get done from here as far as testing USB. thanks for the links.
[16:11] <pangolin> I'll let you know how it goes :)
[16:12] <InHisName> Not the best, but hopefully good enough to find out what we need to know.
[19:32] <jedijf> morecheese: did you comment out the php include?
[19:33] <jedijf> i need a win after a night/morning/half afternoon of failure


[01:45] <aalex> that's annoying
[01:49] <mwhudson> RAOF: stop pls
[01:50] <RAOF> mwhudson: Ooh, bother.  Sorry.
[03:37] <xnox> hello is there a way to "hide" bug from related bugs in your personal page?
[03:37] <xnox> right now it shows all bugs I ever commented on and some of them are obsolete to me and I don't want to see them any more =)
[03:54] <intellectronica> xnox: unsubscribe from the bug?
[03:54] <xnox> I'm not subscribed to it =)
[03:54] <xnox> I've commented on it and I'm not it "affected nor Also notified" list
[03:55] <xnox> And i'm not bug reporter =)
[03:55] <xnox> I know I'm part of BugSquad and hence it still apears
[03:55] <xnox> Cause bugsquad is subscribed
[03:55] <xnox> never mind false alarm
[03:55] <xnox> intellectronica: thank you for making me thing about this =)
[03:56] <intellectronica> xnox: :)
[04:07] <sm> hey all.. what's the timezone of timestamps on launchpad ? eg in a bug's activity log
[04:09] <mwhudson> sm: the time zone you specify in your profile if you're logged in
[04:10] <mwhudson> otherwise utc?
[04:10] <sm> ah, thank you
[04:18] <micahg> will a bug set to invalid or won't fix go to fix released with a proper changelog entry?
[04:37] <dhillon-v10> hi all :) I got an email forwarding address over at opensolaris.org so i am trying to enable it through launchpad, but launchpad says it send a confirmation email and the email never gets to me. Can one of the admins go ahead and just confirm that address for me: https://launchpad.net/~dhillon-v10/+editemails thanks
[04:39] <spm> dhillon-v10: um. no. that sounds like a bad idea. if you're not getting the email that LP sends out, it sounds like the problem there should be fixed. ??
[04:40] <dhillon-v10> spm: I think the problem is that the confirmation email, I recieve all other emails that I forward to that email :)
[04:41] <dhillon-v10> spm: btw I don't use that email a lot but its one way to keep my mail seprate :)
[04:42] <wgrant> I have the same problem with one of my addresses.
[04:42] <wgrant> I gave up.
[04:43] <Some_Person> How can I figure out what build-depends a package needs without guessing, uploading, and hoping?
[04:43] <spm> dhillon-v10: sure; but if (statistics sample of one :-) ) the LP conf email gets dropped somewhere; that implies others will have same issue - so we could end up making the problem worse; not better. make sense?
[04:43] <wgrant> Some_Person: Use pbuilder or sbuild locally.
[04:44] <dhillon-v10> spm: ahh that makes sense :) okay then I'll follow wgrant's advice and not worry about it
[04:44] <spm> dhillon-v10: yeah - it's a pain and I do hate to turn you down like this but... :-/
[04:44] <dhillon-v10> spm: launchpad did say that the confirmation mail could be greylisted or something like that so that might be the case too
[04:45] <dhillon-v10> spm: oh np :) thanks a lot for explaining to me
[04:45] <wgrant> This email address is actually a forward on a server managed by Canonical, and it never leaves the DC.
[04:46] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: okay
[06:18] <DrGS> hi
[11:54] <Ddorda> hey. Im trying to push a branch, but get errors all the time: Permission denied (publickey).bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[11:57] <Ddorda> tried ssh-add, but didn't help
[14:44] <highvolt1ge> hi! I need to edit the link to a specification's wiki page in Launchpad, but I can't find any kind of edit button or a place I can change it
[14:44] <highvoltage> do I need an admin to help there or perhaps a special URL?
[16:50] <jldupont> Hi - is there a way to "cancel" the building of a package? can't find out how through the website interface...
[16:51] <jldupont> fyi: the package is scheduled for building in 17minutes but I now know it won't build...
[16:51] <jldupont> I have since uploaded a version that will....
[16:52] <jldupont> re: https://launchpad.net/~jldupont/+archive/jldupont/+build/1459848 won't build
[16:52] <jldupont> but this one will: https://launchpad.net/~jldupont/+archive/jldupont/+build/1459879
[16:53] <jldupont> anyone??
[16:56] <mrjazzcat_> mrevell
[16:56] <jldupont> a simple Yes/No would suffice.
[17:05] <ScottK> jldupont: No, but it's OK.
[17:05] <ScottK> The builder will notice that there is a newer upload and not actually build that one.
[17:07] <jldupont> @ScottK: thanks!
[19:55] <Athen> I'm perhaps doing something silly, but I can't seem to get launchpad's ppa to work because of no available public key ?
[19:56] <Athen> I downloaded and ran the launchpad-ppl-fix.pl that the Ubuntu forums suggested, but no change
[19:58] <Athen> nvm, I seem to have figured it uot
[20:06] <andruk> i am packaging my own library, and i noticed that my orig.tar.gz contained .o and .so files (and debuild would complain "ignoring deletion of *.o file"), so i removed them from the orig.tar.gz, but now i cant upload them to launchpad without getting rejected with the error "File libwacctl_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz already exists in TabletTray, but uploaded version has different contents.".  so, how...
[20:06] <andruk> ...do i overwrite launchpad's orig.tar.gz?
[20:09] <JohnTeddy> When is a bug the same? I have sound playing out of headphones and speakers at the same time, I see people describing the same bug as me... but with a different audio chipset.
[20:15] <andruk> JohnTeddy: im just another user here, but I that at least sounds like the same bug as me, or maybe similar bugs across audio drivers
[20:16] <JohnTeddy> ok, thanks andruk
[20:23] <JohnTeddy> (Error ID: OOPS-1482F1633)
[20:23] <JohnTeddy> I get this error when I try to submit a bug in launchpad.
[21:36] <lifeless> rj0nes: hi
[21:36] <lifeless> tis I, quasimodo
[21:36] <lifeless> so, do you have a project setup on lp yet?
[21:36] <rj0nes> don't think so :)
[21:36] <lifeless> ok
[21:36] <lifeless> hit uphttps://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new
[21:36] <lifeless> bah
[21:37] <lifeless> https://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new
[21:37] <lifeless> (this is linked from the home page)
[21:39] <rj0nes> lol yes I have a project set up already ;) https://launchpad.net/withgui
[21:39] <lifeless> ok
[21:40] <lifeless> so this gives you a bzr namespace at lp:~USER/withgui/BRANCHNAME
[21:40] <rj0nes> ok, and BRANCHNAME would be?
[21:40] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/withgui lists current branches
[21:40] <lifeless> 'trunk' is a common idiom to use for the main line of development.
[21:40] <rj0nes> ok, there are no branches at the moment. "trunk" sounds good
[21:41] <lifeless> so, in your bzr branch on disk, do 'bzr push lp:~richardjones/withgui/trunk'
[21:42] <rj0nes> ooh, it's doing something...
[21:43] <lifeless> :)
[21:43] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/withgui
[21:43] <rj0nes> yay!
[21:43] <lifeless> now, as this is also a significant branch - a 'series'
[21:43] <lifeless> we should link it to the trunk series
[21:43] <rj0nes> er, ok :)
[21:43] <lifeless> go to https://edge.launchpad.net/withgui
[21:43] <lifeless> click on the word trunk
[21:44] <lifeless> and click on 'link the branch to this series'
[21:44] <lifeless> type in trunk
[21:45] <lifeless> now people can do 'bzr branch lp:withgui'
[21:45] <rj0nes> yay, thanks :)
[21:46] <lifeless> my pleasure :)
[21:47] <rockstar> rj0nes, hooray for withgui on Launchpad!
[21:47] <rj0nes> (finally :)
[21:48] <lifeless> rj0nes: generally you should be able to find someone here with clue to help with other questions you may have :)
[21:49] <rj0nes> yep, thanks
[22:06] <jariq> how long does it take to the package to show up in the ppa after upload?
[22:07] <wgrant> jariq: You should receive an email in < 5 minutes, unless you did not sign the package properly.
[22:08] <jariq> thx
[22:11] <jariq> I got error from ppa: Unknown section 'network'. Any ideas ?
[22:11] <wgrant> I think you mean 'net'
[22:15] <jariq> you're right thx
[22:29] <idnar> bzr: ERROR: xmlrpc protocol error connecting to https://xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/: 502 Bad Gateway
[22:29] <idnar> urgh
[22:30] <idnar> is that my ISP or Launchpad?
[22:35] <Noldorin> hi. how do i move a launchpad branch from my own user to a team?
[22:35] <beuno> Noldorin, you re-push
[22:35] <beuno> you used to be able to move, but I think it got dropped for some reason
[22:35] <Noldorin> beuno, and then just change the address/name in the appropiate launchpad series?
[22:35] <Noldorin> ah right
[22:35] <tsimpson> click on the Change branch details link
[22:36] <tsimpson> you can change the owner there
[22:36] <tsimpson> at least on edge you can
[22:36] <Noldorin> ah
[22:36] <Noldorin> tsimpson, can't see anything...
[22:36] <Noldorin> which field are you referring to?
[22:37] <Noldorin> sorry
[22:37] <Noldorin> yes i do
[22:37] <tsimpson> right at the top, there should be an "Owner:" field
[22:42] <Noldorin> tsimpson, thanks, that does the job
[23:49] <foxbuntu> hey all, how would you go about unsubscribing from all bug mail on a project?


[01:47] <jrwren> oops, accidentally pulled the power cord
[01:47] <jrwren> welp, new kernel. YAY
[02:43] <cmaloney> woo!
[12:27] <rick_h> hah
[12:27] <rick_h> uptime reset
[13:08] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:12] <rick_h> wheee
[13:13] <cmaloney> rick_h: back in MI?
[13:14] <rick_h> yea, got back last weekend
[13:15] <cmaloney> Cool deal


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[19:41] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> If you don't mind me asking what are the day jobs of core devs since UT isn't a commercial platform ?
 you mean what they are doing?
 [Edit] you mean what they (the developers that get paid?) are doing?
 the primary contributors to UT who aren't employed by the foundation to work on UT full time, i presume
 Finally, i install whatsapp on a odroid with android at home, and enable whatsapp web on my personal ubuntou touch phone
 next step have my essential phone ported, i'm working on it
 wouldn't need a vpn to home to get whatsweb working when your not home?
 no
 whatsapp web works everywhere not on same net
 you only have to maintain powered your android with the app, that is why i put it on a odroid
 i pretty sure you have to be on the same net, but i may be wrong
 you are wrong
[20:00] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @dohbee [the primary contributors to UT who aren't employed by the foundation to work on …], Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> I admire their work but I know they're volunteers and probably getting their bread on the table by working elsewhere.
 of course we are
 @dohbee [you are wrong], i did recently did not manage to connect my whatsappweb on ut while ut was on a vpn to my work net but hey
 @dohbee [of course we are], no further information 😝
 i don't really know much of the devs working on the os itself, but i can give you an idea of some active german (mostly app) developers... You'll find mostly software developers in various industries like: health care, automotive, measurement technology, qt application developers (as a service), SPS, software test... some of them are st
[20:14] <ubptgbot> udents, mostly in computer science but not only...
 does that answer your question? ^^
 [Edit] i don't really know much about the devs working on the os itself, but i can give you an idea of some active german (mostly app) developers... You'll find mostly software developers in various industries like: health care, automotive, measurement technology, qt application developers (as a service), SPS, software test... some of t
[20:19] <ubptgbot> hem are students, mostly in computer science but not only...
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @hummlbach [does that answer your question? ^^], Thanks a lot. Simply put professionals from various industries are contributing code in their own spare time. Very noble.
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Thanks Johannes.
 Your welcome. At least for me its not only noble... Its a combination of enjoying the community and bad conscience 😁 (since I was using open source software for a long time without paying or contributing despite i was actually able to).
 Hi folks, can I open an ovpn file on UT?
 I believe so but Im not positive as I dont have my UT device available to me
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[04:08] <thumper> simple review for someone... https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10681
[04:18] <Sou> Hey all, I am pretty new to the entire juju thing. We used juju charms to setup openstack
[04:19] <Sou> Is there anyway to regenrate a configuration file for a unit using juju?
[04:20] <Sou> any help would be great
[04:21] <thumper> Sou: I'm not sure I understand what you are asking for
[04:22] <thumper> what sort of configuration file are you expecting or wanting?
[04:24]  * thumper needs to head off for the week
[04:25] <thumper> Sou: you might want to consider asking the question on our discourse (link in topic)
[04:25] <thumper> https://discourse.jujucharms.com
[04:26] <Sou> Ohh. Lemme elaborate what I meant. I had setup a unit vault (number of containers : 3). For vault HA to work, I had to add etcd (count 3 ) and easyrsa (count 1). I had to reOS the host machine which was running easyRSA container. But that broke the etcd cluster. It was throwing bad tls error. So I removed all etcd units, and readded them. But the
[04:26] <Sou> vault configuration file (which uses etcd) has old details about  etcd. So I was finding out if there is a way to regenerate the configuration files of a container via juju. Another option is to edit it manually. But then I am not sure if juju will create any issues
[04:28] <thumper> Sou: if vault didn't update the config for the new etcd it smells like a bug in the vault charm
[04:28] <Sou> ohh
[04:29] <thumper> To get the right eyes on it, either file a bug in launchpad against the vault charm, or ask in discourse and I can tag the openstack charmers
[04:29] <Sou> okay thanks
[04:29] <thumper> juju doesn't hold the config of apps
[04:29] <thumper> that is the responsibility of the charms themselves
[04:30] <thumper> have a good weekend folks
[04:30]  * thumper out
[04:31] <Sou> Ohh okay. Please correct me if I am understanding it wrong. Juju charms are used to setup the application in containers. And post that does the charms still keep an eye on the changes being made?
[04:33] <Sou> also does it we shouldn't manage anything inside the containers created by juju?
[04:43] <babbageclunk> Sou: yes, the charm also manages the running application and lets you configure it using juju commands
[04:44] <babbageclunk> Sou: In general, you shouldn't be changing things in the container  directly because then the charm might be out of sync with what you've changed.
[04:48] <Sou> Okay. Thanks a lot babbageclunk. Wrt openstack nova-compute charm, there are many nova related configuration options which I can't see when I do a "juju config <app_name>"
[04:48] <Sou> Is there anyway to add such configuration options to the containers which run the unit
[04:50] <babbageclunk> Sou: it might be that some of those are managed by the charm in response to other units being related to the application.
[04:51] <babbageclunk> What kinds of options do you mean? (I'm not an openstack expert though)
[04:53] <Sou> $ sudo juju config nova-compute  | grep instance_name_template~$
[04:53] <Sou> My apologies for the typo
[04:53] <Sou> one variable name is instance_name_template
[04:55] <Sou> I can't modify that variable via charms
[04:56] <Sou> in a big setup if I want to make sure such a variable is managed, I might have to integrate the containers (or units) created  by juju with ansible or puppet
[04:56] <Sou> But then it would make the setup complex
[04:57] <Sou> Is that a suggested way of doing things?
[04:59] <babbageclunk> Sou: I don't think I understand what you're trying to do - you want to have Juju-created machines be managed with ansible or puppet? I'm not sure how that would work.
[05:02] <Sou> Managing juju created machines with ansible or puppet came to my thought when I was not able to manage a config parameter of an application via juju.
[05:02] <babbageclunk> Sou: I think people in #openstack-charmers would be able to help you with your instance_name_template question
[05:02] <Sou> Thanks @babbageclunk I will post the same in that conf
[05:06] <babbageclunk> Sou: I think I see what you mean - use ansible to make post-deployment changes to a unit to tweak that setting? I think it would be better to change the charm to expose the config you need.
[05:08] <Sou> Yeah, I think making changes in charm will make things easier
[09:02] <nammn_de> stickupkid: currently looking into the bug when a user calls "juju /foo" our code tries to create a fork and fails. You worked on the "similiar" cmds last time. I could either return a proper error "file does not exist" or we could run your "similiar" code again. What would you prefer?
[09:09] <stickupkid> don't remember what I did, any pointers?
[09:13] <nammn_de> https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/cmd/juju/commands/plugin.go#L77
[09:13] <nammn_de> stickupkid:
[09:14] <nammn_de> stickupkid: ^ the code where if a command is not found you try to find the most similiar command and return it something like "foo does not exist, did you mean gui"
[09:15] <stickupkid> nammn_de, yeah, that imo, but best to ask rick_h
[09:16] <nammn_de> okey makes sense, rick_h: ^ above, but I will update launchpad to have it written down
[09:32] <achilleasa> manadart: I have finished reviewing your bridge policy PR and will start the QA steps next
[09:32] <manadart> achilleasa: Great; ta.
[09:37] <stickupkid> achilleasa, thumper pointed out an issue with the introspection stuff https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10682
[09:42] <achilleasa> stickupkid: I have a question (see comment)
[09:45] <stickupkid> achilleasa, responded
[09:51] <achilleasa> stickupkid: are you sure that the command is interpreted as 'xargs "CMD" > out' instead of 'xargs "CMD > out"'?
[09:51] <stickupkid> achilleasa, tested it locally :D
[09:52] <achilleasa> bash or zsh?
[09:52] <stickupkid> juju bootstrap lxd test
[09:52] <stickupkid> juju enable-ha
[09:52] <stickupkid> well "sh"
[09:52] <stickupkid> let me tripple check
[09:54] <achilleasa> No you are actually right, you have to explicitly quote the commands to get the redirect bit for each command
[09:54] <achilleasa> wait. let me doublecheck this :D
[09:56] <achilleasa> yes, it works as you expect. Sorry for the confusion
[09:59] <stickupkid> achilleasa, yeah don't worry, I also had to check
[10:03] <stickupkid> nammn_de, updated per your comments https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10675
[10:07] <nammn_de> stickupkid: ensure will create a model in the bootstrapped controller as well, if it does not exist, right?
[10:07] <stickupkid> sort of, it'll name the default model something else
[10:08] <stickupkid> i'll add that
[10:08] <nammn_de> stickupkid: 🦸♂
[10:12] <stickupkid> nammn_de, done
[10:13] <nammn_de> stickupkid: approved
[10:14] <stickupkid> achilleasa, regarding the series stuff, you can't use head as that's for 2.7, I believe you'll need to make a 2.6 branch and add the new macOS version there
[10:15] <stickupkid> unless we back port what we did to 2.7 to 2.6, which i don't think is wise
[10:15] <achilleasa> stickupkid: I think 2.6.10 will be the last release and the sha is already out. We can fix it for 2.7 though...
[10:15] <stickupkid> achilleasa, sure sure
[10:16] <achilleasa> they did merge the PR btw
[10:16] <stickupkid> ah, that's fine then
[10:16] <achilleasa> yeah, I saw the response this morn. Yest I was thinking that they would say we cannot accept this as the tests don't pass :D
[10:17] <stickupkid> probably don't care for betas
[11:24] <rick_h> nammn_de:  what's the link to the bug number again? I want to see the use case in the bug that cause dfolks to file it
[11:25] <nammn_de> rick_h: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1747040
[11:25] <mup> Bug #1747040: Invoking juju with no verb but a path results in confusing error messages <bitesize> <cli> <ui> <juju:Triaged by nammn> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747040>
[11:25] <nammn_de> rick_h: added the PR for more description. Can always update the PR. Just open for discussion
[11:26] <rick_h> nammn_de:  that works for me, ty
[11:30] <nammn_de> If thats the case, would love to get a review from someone. Pretty small one, fast to test rick_h stickupkid https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10683
[14:29] <manadart> I think we may have a problem here.
[14:30] <manadart> If we need to run an upgrade to a version that causes a break in the allwatcher/modelcache code without upgrade steps having been run, we get into a deadlock.
[14:31] <manadart> modelcache error-cycles getting a new watcher, API can't come up, machine agent can't connect to API. Upgrade does not run.
[18:35] <gQuigs> does anyone have any tricks for referencing the machine_name in a juju_run command?
[18:36]  * gQuigs wants to do juju run --all "command --batch "machine_name"
[18:44] <pmatulis> gQuigs, i guess you would need to translate machine name to machine ID prior to 'juju run'
[18:46] <gQuigs> pmatulis: hoping to make it more like a one liner, so we don't have to give a script to customers..   command in question is sosreport :)
[18:48] <gQuigs> I guess I could just hope the machine name has the id consistantly in it..
[18:51] <pmatulis> gQuigs, and i guess a "support charm" on all machines is too heavy right?
[18:51] <pmatulis> but such a thing could be useful in other imaginative ways i suppose
[18:55] <fallenour> hey when watching juju status, what color settings shoudl I use in order to ensure the colors stay the same with watch as they do with juju status
[18:55] <fallenour> it all comes back grey when I do: watch -c color=auto juju status
[19:00] <gQuigs> pmatulis: yea
[19:14] <pmatulis> gQuigs, then you could have various actions ('sos-all', 'sos-maas', 'misc-support')
[19:14] <gQuigs> sos already determines what plugins to run automatically :)
[19:14] <pmatulis> bah :)
[19:14] <gQuigs> I think I'll just use run and ask them to provide a list of names and machine ids
[19:47] <Fallenour> hey guys, I keep getting this message from juju: failed to start machine 1/lxd/3 (acquiring LXD image: no matching image found), retrying in 10s (10 more attempts)
[19:47] <Fallenour> Im using maas, and I have all of the 18.04LTS images downloaded. Does anyoen have any idea what causes this issue? One machine already built out 3 lxd containers, so I dont know why its giving this error.
[19:49] <Fallenour> Im currently using juju version 2.6.9
[20:02] <Fallenour> I foudn the issue. its a dns error with juju. where can I got or what can I do to fix...I think I fixed it.
[20:03] <Fallenour> I updated the mAAS DNS addresses, and it ... nope, not fixed. How do I update juju dns info for lxd containers?
[20:17] <Fallenour> WARNING juju.provisioner incomplete DNS config found, discovering host's DNS config
[20:17] <Fallenour>   is the error I keep seeing in juju debug-log. I keep finding a lot of complaints about this, but no solution. Does anyone have an idea about a work around?
[20:57] <Fallenour>   is the error I keep seeing in juju debug-log. I keep finding a lot of complaints about this, but no solution. Does anyone have an idea about a work around?
[21:31] <Fallenour> Does conjure-up allow me to manage the systems built via juju, or do I need to manage those somewhere else?
[21:50] <davecore> Fallenour: Once you deployed using conjure-up, the rest of the management is done with juju


 Santa Should be fixed now with qtbase in proposed.
 :)
 @mitya57 It was the qtbase brokenness that causing this to FTBFS? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/3.15.4-1ubuntu1
 That was deleted from proposed, but if so maybe can be re-instated now.
 Yes, looks like that.
 @mitya57 [Santa Should be fixed now with qtbase in proposed.], Thank you very much, as soon as I arrive home I will restart the test rebuilds if the fixed package reached my mirror
 @mitya57 plasma-framework now FTBFS
 That is plasma-framework's own include so I guess it should build-dep on libx11-xcb-dev explicitly.
 right. that is what I was going to ask next. if anything more needed your end. if not, I'm happy to update the build dep this end :)
 frameworks test rebuilds good so far: http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_frameworks.html
 @RikMills kwindowsystem also fails to build so I'm testing adding libxfixes-dev as build depend
 @RikMills fix for kwindowsystem pushed to the _staging branch
 everything else built fine btw
 going to build plasma now so I will check the results tomorrow in the morning


[00:22] <muxfr> Hi
[00:22] <muxfr> The panel down there disappeared, how can I make it appear again?
[00:24] <ToStItOs_> I think the command after you hit alt and F2 is xfce4-panel
[00:25] <muxfr> nothing appeared
[00:25] <muxfr> but the command didn't return an error though.
[00:25] <ToStItOs_> hmmm try it again
[00:26] <muxfr> not yet
[00:26] <yelloowfire> Do you have the upside panel?
[00:26] <muxfr> ya there's a panel up there.
[00:27] <yelloowfire> Click with the left button - New panel, put downside...
[00:28] <ToStItOs_> yellowfire: Why does that happen?
[00:28] <yelloowfire> Acidental delete... I did it...
[00:28] <ToStItOs_> I have done it too what headache
[00:29] <yelloowfire> Yeah...
[00:29] <muxfr> there's no "new panel" option.
[00:29] <yelloowfire> Wait some time
[00:30] <muxfr> ?
[00:31] <ToStItOs_> wouldn't it be under customize panel when you right click?
[00:33] <yelloowfire> Ok, click left button ON DESKTOP, configurations thing (Mine is PT-BR) and add panel.
[00:33] <muxfr> When I press the + button after custimize panel, I get a new launch button on the desktop not a panel.
[00:34] <ToStItOs_> I am trying to remember
[00:35] <yelloowfire> Ops, wrong again, ok, now it MUST work: Left button on upside panel - Personalize (remember mine is in portuguese - I'm not sure) And add panel (+ button)
[00:35] <ToStItOs_> yellowfire doesn't he need to go to customize panel then click on move freely ?
[00:36] <yelloowfire> First, he need a new panel...
[00:36] <yelloowfire> To fill the downside
[00:36] <ToStItOs_> oh ok
[00:38] <ToStItOs_> muxfr did u get it
[00:39] <yelloowfire> muxfr??
[00:39] <ToStItOs_> did he restart?
[00:39] <yelloowfire> I don't know...
[00:40] <ToStItOs_> he might have
[00:40] <yelloowfire> Crashed? Restarted? Doiing it by itself?
[00:41] <ToStItOs_> that has happened to me many times
[00:41] <yelloowfire> Not with me...
[00:41] <muxfr> anybody found it?
[00:41] <yelloowfire> ...
[00:43] <yelloowfire> You tried Left button Upside panel - Persolalize thing (Last option - MINE IS PT) add panel button - Configure the new panel?
[00:46] <muxfr> yep, I just had to set it to do some modification
[00:46] <muxfr> now to show the opened apps, which item should I add to it?
[00:46] <yelloowfire> Wait a minute
[00:47] <yelloowfire> Click on the new panel with left button - Add new items - Put the Task List one.
[00:49] <muxfr> That's it man :)
[00:49] <yelloowfire> :-D
[00:49] <muxfr> I'm actually new to xubuntu, I'm coming from windows. So I would like xubuntu to help me do the very same things that I used to do with windows without wrecking it.
[00:50] <yelloowfire> To say the trurth, i am using ubuntu since June, and Xubuntu on my Virtual machine...
[00:51] <muxfr> I see
[00:51] <muxfr> Well, I used to use linux in vm's too, but my hardware is very buggy
[00:51] <muxfr> it's bleeding edge though.
[00:52] <yelloowfire> Was a great change, at windows Xp, i had hundreds of errors everyday, BSODS, useless antivirus, crashing...
[00:52] <yelloowfire> At ubuntu/Xubuntu, at starting was crashing, but i changed the kernel and now both run very fast :-D
[00:55] <yelloowfire> Now, i must go... Good luck man :-D
[00:59] <muxfr> hmm..
[00:59] <muxfr> well, can anybody suggest a good keylogger ?
[01:14] <th0r> muxfr: why...you have trouble remembering what you typed?
[01:15] <XB191A> heh
[01:15] <XB191A> hi
[01:16] <XB191A> can anybody help me with an xubuntu-installer problem? :P
[01:17] <XiXaQ> XB191A, explain what the problem is and what you've done. If someone can, they probably will.
[01:17] <XB191A> right :P
[01:18] <XB191A> (sorry for poor english, in advance)
[01:18] <XB191A> well, i'm trying to install xubuntu 9.04
[01:18] <XB191A> i currently have my harddrive partitioned as:
[01:18] <XB191A> 1) Data NTFS (73gb)
[01:19] <XB191A> 2) WinXP NTFS (9gb)
[01:19] <XB191A> the idea is overwriting the winXP with xubuntu
[01:20] <XB191A> but the installer doesn't recognize any partitions, it takes the hard-drive as one un-partitioned 83gb hd
[01:20] <XB191A> 82*
[01:20] <XB191A> i can i.e. use abiword and save the document in ANY partition
[01:20] <XB191A> i mean, xubuntu progs recognize the partitions, but the installer doesn't
[01:20] <XB191A> gparted doesn't either
[01:21] <XB191A> so right
[01:21] <XB191A> that's it :)
[01:24] <th0r> XB191A: are you choosing the custom partitioning in the installer?
[01:25] <XB191A> yeah
[01:25] <XB191A> but, from the first moment, it shows the hard-drive as just one un-partitioned unit
[01:25] <XB191A> the idea is to keep the data partition
[01:25] <XB191A> i can't backup it :(
[01:26] <th0r> XB191A: I can understand it showing that from the start, as the installer defaults to using the whole drive. But if you choose custom partitioning it should show you the existing partitions and let you work with them
[01:26] <XB191A> th0r, i know, but it doesn't :S
[01:26] <XB191A> it keeps showing the whole hard-drive
[01:26] <XB191A> XiXaQ, do you still have the picture url ?
[01:27] <XiXaQ> http://i31.tinypic.com/vy2ow4.png
[01:27] <XB191A> thanks
[01:27] <XB191A> th0r, that's what it shows
[01:28] <th0r> XB191A: at that page, check the bottom choice...Especifar ......
[01:28] <XB191A> i did
[01:28] <XB191A> but it keeps showing the hard drive as i told you
[01:28] <XB191A> if i chose to partition it again, i'll lose all the data on the disk
[01:29] <th0r> XB191A: a question...why can't you boot into windows to back up the data...is the windows install corrupt?
[01:29] <XB191A> no no
[01:29] <XB191A> i can start windows without any problem
[01:29] <XB191A> the problem is HOW TO backup the data
[01:30] <XB191A> it's aroung 60gb in size, dvd-rw is not possible, neither usb sticks :S
[01:30] <th0r> I don't know your situation, but I have all my data backed up to a couple of 160GB usb drives
[01:30] <th0r> drives I took out of dead laptops
[01:30] <XB191A> well, i live in Argentina....
[01:30] <XB191A> so i can't get my hands on a usb drive
[01:31] <XiXaQ> th0r, the thing to notice here, is that he's able to mount and use the ntfs partitions but gparted doesn't see them. Why is that?
[01:32] <th0r> XiXaQ: yeah...I understand that, and I am at a loss as to why. I would like to see a pastebin of the next screen...after he chooses Especificar partitiones (yo se mi espanol es muy mal_
[01:32] <XiXaQ> perhaps resizing the ntfs partitions require more ram?
[01:33] <XB191A> uh ..pastebin ? :s
[01:33] <XB191A> :P
[01:34] <th0r> sorry....the tinyurl thing....http://i31.tinypic.com
[01:34] <XB191A> sorry for my ignorance
[01:34] <XiXaQ> th0r, he has 256MB RAM only. Perhaps the installer doesn't show the option of resizing and using the free space because it would require more ram than is available?
[01:34] <XB191A> wait a sec, ill take the screenshot
[01:34] <XiXaQ> I'm just guessing now though.
[01:34] <th0r> XiXaQ: no....if I remember right xubuntu only requires 192MB for the installer
[01:35] <XiXaQ> th0r, to resize ntfs-partitions too?
[01:35] <XiXaQ> I would assume that would require some more ram.
[01:35] <th0r> XiXaQ: yeah...I think so. I have plenty of ram and installed ubuntu then went back to xfce, so I am not sure either
[01:35] <XiXaQ> XB191A, how full are those partitions btw?
[01:36] <XB191A> the 73gb one has 20gb of free space
[01:36] <XB191A> 8 gb , has 5gb free
[01:36] <th0r> XB191A: another question, are you trying to keep windows and split that partition, or are you going to delete windows and install linux?
[01:36] <XB191A> replace windows
[01:37] <th0r> XB191A: then here is a way forward, although it isn't my first choice.
[01:37] <XB191A> i tried wubi for some time
[01:37] <XB191A> and i want to stick with xubuntu
[01:37] <XB191A> :O
[01:37] <th0r> use the live cd to delete the windows partition, then recreate it as an ext3 partition. Then the installer should see the 9GB partition and try to use it for linux
[01:38] <XB191A> http://i31.tinypic.com/35d419j.png
[01:38] <th0r> XB191A: yeah...it doesn't see any partitions at all...and I find that surprising. Can't explain it
[01:39] <XB191A> i can access then without any problem with xubuntu apps (abiword, gimp, etc)
[01:39] <XB191A> :\
[01:39] <th0r> XB191A: well here is what I think is happening.....
[01:39] <XB191A> weird... my harddrive must be cursed or something :P
[01:40] <th0r> linux requires ntfs3g installed to read and write ntfs partitions. ntfs-3g is  included in the live cd. But when you start the installer, it doesn't install that, and therefore cannot see the ntfs partitions.
[01:40] <th0r> but I am not a dev....so this is NOT gospel <smile>
[01:40] <XB191A> well i have ntfs3g installed, but i understand what you meant
[01:40] <XB191A> so.. do you know any workaround?
[01:41] <XiXaQ> th0r, not likely.
[01:42] <XiXaQ> does fdisk see the ntfs partitions?
[01:42] <th0r> XiXaQ: I think it does
[01:43] <th0r> XB191A: the only idea I have for a workaround is what I suggested a little earlier...use the livecd to reformat the 9GB partition and then install
[01:43] <XiXaQ> XB191A, it would be very interesting to see if the normal Ubuntu cd acts the same way, if you could download and burn it?
[01:44] <XB191A> k i'll download it
[01:44] <XiXaQ> XB191A, th0rs tip would work, yes.
[01:44] <XB191A> but it'll take a while
[01:44] <XB191A> but i mean
[01:44] <XiXaQ> mhm.
[01:44] <XB191A> if i format winxp partition from live cd
[01:44] <XB191A> and the installer still doesn't see it..
[01:45] <XB191A> oh never mind :P
[01:45] <XB191A> i'll try it
[01:45] <XiXaQ> good luck. Be careful if this data is important.
[01:45] <th0r> XB191A: agreed...if there is something unusual about the drive or controller...there is the possibility that you will get in deeper
[01:45] <XB191A> naah
[01:46] <th0r> XB191A: I would be very uncomfortable working with your situation without a backup of the data partition
[01:46] <XB191A> the 9gb partition is just winxp skeleton
[01:46] <XB191A> fresh wxp installation
[01:49] <XB191A>  well, i have to go
[01:49] <XB191A> i'll come back in, like, an hour
[01:49] <th0r> XB191A: good luck
[01:49] <XB191A> i'll try formatting from live cd
[01:49] <XB191A> thanks
[01:49] <XB191A> thank you both for your help
[01:49] <XB191A> i'll be just idling
[02:34] <muxfr> Anybody could get intel ICH9 working?
[02:34] <muxfr> audio card.
[02:41] <XB191A> uhm
[02:41] <XB191A> fdisk -l should list all drives, right?
[02:44] <XiXaQ> if you use sudo.
[02:44] <XB191A> okay
[02:44] <XiXaQ> or, more correctly, if you have the rights.
[02:45] <XB191A> got it :)
[02:46] <XB191A> /dev/sda1   *           1<PHONE_NUMBER>    7  HPFS/NTFS
[02:46] <XB191A> /dev/sda2             974       10011    72597735    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[02:46] <XB191A> /dev/sda3            1023       10011    72204111    7  HPFS/NTFS
[02:46] <XB191A> so
[02:46] <XB191A> how is that possible... i mean, two overlapped partitions ?
[02:47] <XB191A> dev          start      end      blocks      id    file sytem
[02:47] <XiXaQ> 3 belongs to 2 I think.
[02:47] <XB191A> oh right
[02:47] <XB191A> :P
[02:48] <XB191A> so first one should be 9gb
[02:48] <XiXaQ> /dev/sda1   *           1        1216     9767488+  83  Linux
[02:48] <XiXaQ> /dev/sda2            1217       19457   146520832+   5  Extended
[02:48] <XiXaQ> /dev/sda5            1217       19457   146520801   83  Linux
[02:48] <XB191A> i thought they were different ones
[02:48] <XB191A> :P
[02:49] <XiXaQ> however, I would have expected your third partition to be called sda5.
[02:49] <XB191A> :|
[02:49] <XiXaQ> but I really don't think that's the problem.
[02:50] <XB191A> nah
[02:50] <XiXaQ> since fdisk is able to see the partition, I think it's more likely that gparted hides it for some other reason, like protecting you from running out of ram. Still just a guess though.
[02:50] <XB191A> maybe
[02:50] <XB191A> so well
[02:50] <XB191A> i'll format the first partition  thn
[02:51] <XB191A> that's why i think this is weird
[02:51] <XB191A> some programas can see the partitions perfectly, whilst other don't even see them
[02:51] <XiXaQ> this probably means you'd have an easier time installing xubuntu using the alternate cd.
[02:53] <XB191A> yep,
[02:53] <XB191A> well i'll try with this
[02:53] <XB191A> if it doesn't work i'll dl the alternate
[02:53] <XB191A> ;)
[02:54] <XiXaQ> :)
[02:55] <XiXaQ> update us!
[02:56] <XB191A> hmm
[02:56] <XB191A> can i be completely sure the first one is the smaller partition because of the block number
[02:56] <XB191A> but i still have this baaad feeling xD
[03:00] <XiXaQ> you can be sure by checking the contents of the directory where /dev/sda1 is mounted.
[03:00] <XiXaQ> but, yes, it's the small one.
[03:01] <XB191A>  sisi
[03:01] <XB191A> err, sorry, yes
[03:02] <XiXaQ> :9
[03:07] <chrissy_> hello can anybody help me with email
[03:08] <chrissy_> is anybody out there
[03:13] <XB191A> well
[03:13] <XB191A> that didn't work :(
[03:15] <chrissy_> can u help mewith email
[03:17] <XiXaQ> chrissy_, yes, if you can help me with the stuff?
[03:17] <chrissy_> like what
[03:17] <XiXaQ> good question...
[03:17] <chrissy_> what u want to know
[03:18] <XiXaQ> what you want to know.
[03:18] <chrissy_> my email i don't how to set up
[03:20] <chrissy_> any idea
[03:20] <XiXaQ> do you have a mail account?
[03:20] <chrissy_> yes on a other computer
[03:20] <XiXaQ> then you run your own mailserver?
[03:21] <XiXaQ> or do you mean you've configured a client on another computer?
[03:22] <chrissy_> i have config on other computer
[03:22] <XiXaQ> in xubuntu?
[03:22] <XiXaQ> I don't really know what the problem is.
[03:22] <chrissy_> no winxp
[03:23] <XiXaQ> ok. But then you do have your account details, such as which ports the mailserver uses, the addresses and login/password?
[03:24] <chrissy_> yes do i use my xubunt password or my from my other computer
[03:25] <XiXaQ> usually, you have a completely independent username and password on the mailserver.
[03:26] <chrissy_> ok i just want a email account that goes to my xubuntu computer not the other
[03:27] <XiXaQ> you can't create email accounts in xubuntu. You can connect to a server on which you _have_ a mail account.
[03:27] <XiXaQ> well, of course, you could run your own mailserver, but that requires some work.
[03:28] <chrissy_> no i dont no what the ports are
[03:29] <XiXaQ> you have to know that in order to configure a client.
[03:29] <XiXaQ> ask your ISP.
[03:29] <chrissy_> where do i get them
[03:30] <chrissy_> ok what questions do u have for me ask away
[03:30] <chrissy_> anything
[03:32] <chrissy_> well nothing else?
[03:34] <XiXaQ> your account details.
[03:34] <XiXaQ> nice.
[03:55] <freeBoy> Hi, I went to install xubuntu 9.10, the latest alpha, via Wubi.  However when I boot, and select xubuntu, it restarts almost immediately
[03:56] <freeBoy> seems like unusually quiet on the channel
[03:56] <XB191A> well i'm about to commit suicide
[03:56] <XB191A> soon the channel won't be so quiet
[03:59] <freeBoy> anyone with support for my nonbooting xubuntu?   i had previously installed the beta of gOS via wubi, if that is any clue
[03:59] <freeBoy> (then I uninstalled via normal method, in add/remove programs).  This is windows XP Home on an HP Pavilion z4325 laptop
[04:15] <freeBoy> k bye
[04:50] <AJ1> ext3grep, can somebody explain to me how it works - or walk me through recovering a directory to another disk?
[04:51] <AJ1> ext3grep, can somebody explain to me how it works - or walk me through recovering a directory to another disk?
[09:14] <mikubuntu> hey guys ... i went to synaptic and thought i installed firefox 3.5, but i just did a version check in the terminal and says i'm still running 3.0.13, what could be the problem?
[09:20] <mikubuntu> never mind, i found it
[10:00] <KaiThxBai> Hey guys
[10:00] <KaiThxBai> just wondering what xbuntu version i need to download
[10:00] <KaiThxBai> alertante or desktop
[10:00] <KaiThxBai> its for an old P3 laptop
[10:02] <TheSheep> how much ram?
[10:56] <igsen> after upgrading to jaunty i can't log on to xubuntu's xfce4 desktop, please help!!
[15:44] <slow-motion> hi
[17:41] <MOUD> Hello
[17:42] <MOUD> I have Ubuntu installed and also installed XFCE.  I want to make ubuntu look like vista as much as possible.


[07:06] <mpt> snwh, nope :-)
[07:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:00] <czajkowski> mpt: are folks sprinting this week ?
[09:00] <mpt> czajkowski, not that I know of.
[10:34] <mpt> snwh, thanks for the prod though, eventually I found something better than all of those: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Phone
[13:06] <snwh> mpt, neat. But couldn't the whole ribbon be 'tap-able' instead of having a show button?
[18:33] <ixxvil> mhall119|away: oh ok