[12:12] <grimweb> something to do with my TV card
[12:12] <grimweb> I haven't found out to configure that one in Kubuntu either though
[12:12] <canine_kouji> grimweb: might take some resource havkcking :/
[12:12] <canine_kouji> assigning the names to the card directly if its not being assigned already
[12:12] <grimweb> of what? letters scrambled
[12:13] <grimweb> I got it in KDE control, and I can work with nv driver
[12:13] <grimweb> but after several boots, it runs down again and in the end I decide to install the system again, happened several times now already
[12:14] <grimweb> thank god Kubuntu is so easy to install
[12:14] <canine_kouji> mmm
[12:14] <canine_kouji> the system shouldn't be doing stuff by itself, I saythreee is more to the problem
[12:15] <grimweb> I'm trying to figure that out
[12:16] <grimweb> the problem is that the problem is so common, if I look on the net, there is so many people with this problem, that I fail to find the solution when searching
[12:17] <canine_kouji> grimweb: this sounds dd, but what kernel are you using?
[12:17] <grimweb> standard kubuntu edgy eft
[12:17] <canine_kouji> which one is it?
[12:17] <grimweb> Sysinfo for 'linux': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz at 2466 MHz (4938 bogomips), HD: 33/50GB, RAM: 434/757MB, 93 proc's, 28.29min up
[12:18] <MetaBookfoziS> hey who knows, why my konqueror's background black? http://metamorfozis.hu/p/konqui.png
[12:18] <canine_kouji> grimweb: I know you wouldn't usually do this buy could you download the latest kernel from kernel.org and try building it ?
[12:18] <canine_kouji> I've had *several* problems with stock kernels in the past
[12:18] <grimweb> eh?
[12:18] <canine_kouji> esp with hardware
[12:18] <grimweb> if there is a how to...
[12:18] <canine_kouji> I've had lag, unrecognized cards, and bugged hardware with asterisk
[12:19] <canine_kouji> just because some idiot at Asterisk@Home can't test a kernel before release
[12:19] <grimweb> MetaBookfoziS: lol, because there is a picture with black in your background?
[12:19] <canine_kouji> now that its bought out, I made my own solution
[12:19] <canine_kouji> it went from worse to crap
[12:19] <MetaBookfoziS> no
[12:19] <MetaBookfoziS> my bg isn'T plain black
[12:19] <velle> ok, im pretty new to irc, so im not sure if this is a problem with my client, or if it is supposed to happen... but: when I in the freenode tab type "/join #python", I get a welcome message in my #ubuntu-dk tab !! isnt it supposed to be displayed in the #python tab?
[12:19] <velle> my client is Konversation
[12:19] <canine_kouji> velle: you're using xchat, right?
[12:19] <canine_kouji> oh
[12:20] <MetaBookfoziS> and imo it haven't got any conenction with my background (it's not transparent) only my menus transparent a little
[12:20] <canine_kouji> Konversation. then it is chanserv saying th emessage
[12:20] <grimweb> velle: that's normal
[12:20] <canine_kouji> velle: its how it is supposed to act
[12:20] <velle> k, strange though
[12:21] <ocjeunesse> salut
[12:21] <grimweb> MetaBookfoziS: try setting a different backgound in KDE systemsettings
[12:21] <ocjeunesse> j'ai un probleme j'ai installer java hier et il ne marche plus aujourd' hui
[12:21] <mnoir> !fr
[12:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:22] <canine_kouji> :)
[12:22] <evilkry> yo
[12:22] <aerius> salllllllllluuuuuuuuuuuuuuut toute le monde
[12:22] <aerius> hi every budyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:22] <grimweb> No particular favour for the french, they tent to forget that I do not speak their language
[12:23] <velle> which shell are you using, Konsole?
[12:23] <aerius> :d
[12:23] <aerius> hey
[12:23] <MetaBookfoziS> i have solved it with gus in #kde, my background in konqueror have setted to black. (I'm not using konqueror because i'm hate it, so i dunno what setted it to black:))
[12:23] <aerius> heu
[12:23] <canine_kouji> grimweb: I don't mind them, There are a ton of canadians who speak french her ein alaska
[12:23] <aerius> it's my first session in unbutu
[12:23] <canine_kouji> velle: I use bash, in the terminal Konsole
[12:23] <aerius> i'm not a canadian
[12:23] <aerius> i'm from morocco :d
[12:23] <canine_kouji> german as well, but french is after german
[12:23] <canine_kouji> I'm still learning
[12:24] <canine_kouji> german isn't the easiest, it makes little sense with all the longer words
[12:24] <grimweb> velle, I use <ctrl><alt><f2>
[12:24] <canine_kouji> french makes sense, even thoguhh its not related to english in any way
[12:24] <aerius> ^^ je ne peux parler que francais
[12:24] <canine_kouji> thouhgh, I' a person who thinks japanese is easy, heh
[12:24] <aerius> spanish ?
[12:24] <grimweb> !french
[12:24] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:24] <aerius> ohayo gusamtsu :p
[12:24] <aerius> okeay
[12:24] <aerius> thiiiinks
[12:24] <canine_kouji> spanish is.. okay.. my roots are spanish, but I don't like them since spanish people beat their wives
[12:25] <canine_kouji> its common in mexico
[12:25] <aerius> merci (ubotu)
[12:25] <grimweb> !off-topic
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <grimweb> hmm
[12:25] <canine_kouji> grimweb: without the dash
[12:26] <grimweb> I found it
[12:26] <grimweb> #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:27] <grimweb> we better discuss languages there and make the people here not have to read the logs ;)
[12:27] <canine_kouji> hehe
[12:28] <TFrog> anyone know why on a fresh install of Edgy that the install picks up the Atheros madwifi card and then when i go to Netork Settings following the install my Atheros madwifi card doesn't show up? according to the ubuntu wiki it's suppose to just work. any help would be appreciated.
[12:28] <grimweb> do you have wifidettings as well?
[12:29] <grimweb> wifisettings*
[12:30] <TFrog> grimweb, this is a fresh install on a desktop that has a DLink DWG-520 wireless card in it. Edgy only loaded the wireless assistant and does NOT show the card in Network Settings at all
[12:31] <roderyk> in kopete, when a message popup appears (eg. when you recieve a new message), is there a way to keybind the "read message" response?
[12:31] <grimweb> The card should work, my dad has one of those I think
[12:31] <nickv111> How do I have a tool autoconfig ALSA for my card?
[12:32] <grimweb> but he's on SLED :(
[12:32] <nickv111> I don't think Kubuntu has recognized my soundcard right.
[12:32] <nickv111> alsamixer fails with "Invalid argument"
[12:32] <roderyk> i noticed kcontrol keybindings have a "activate window demanding attention" ->  but that seems to be ignored by kopete or kde
[12:32] <TFrog> hmmmmmm. would be nice if i could configure the card. especially if i wanted to setup a static ip
[12:33] <grimweb> my wifi are in a seperate program, but I de-installed it, since I'm wired
[12:33] <bobstro> TFrog:  is the card working? does it look right in iwconfig?
[12:33] <grimweb> I don't have it anymore
[12:33] <TFrog> now i haven't tried that yet bobstro
[12:33] <XVampireX> Can anyone tell me if I start compiling something now and then I want to shut down my computer, can I somehow stop the compilation and resume later?
[12:34] <grimweb> XVampireX: good question...
[12:34] <bobstro> TFrog:  i found my atheros card was being shown, but was working just fine under the hood.
[12:34] <TFrog> bobstro, if it's working in iwconfig how would i go about configure the card?
[12:34] <bobstro> TFrog:  i still find myself going to iwconfig a lot of times.
[12:34] <bobstro> TFrog:  i've been disappointed in the GUI tools mostly.
[12:35] <bobstro> TFrog:  i think it's "wpa_gui" i'm using now (sorry, not on laptop now).
[12:35] <TFrog> yeah. i've been a bit miffed with the gui tools myself
[12:35] <TFrog> it's ok bobstro. appreciate the help
[12:35] <bobstro> TFrog:  the 'sniffer' in wpa_gui works well enough. then i configure in iwconfig as needed.
[12:35] <TFrog> i'm currently on my laptop but it runs a broadcom chipset
[12:35] <Bubba_Gump> bobstro: same here, wireless lan assitant only connets only in conjuction with dhclient eth1 for some reason
[12:35] <grimweb> I'm off, trying to get X working again
[12:36] <bobstro> TFrog:  yeah, mine too (dell d420). got it working finally, but only with ndis.
[12:36] <SlimG> howto play divx in kaffeine? (already got xine-extracodecs & w32codecs)
[12:36] <bobstro> Bubba_Gump:  there was some stupid trick in getting some of the gui tools to see it. something in settings i think.
[12:37] <TFrog> bobstro, i've had the DLink card working with ndis. wanted to try the native in kubuntu but find info sadly lacking other than complaints on the forums
[12:37] <bobstro> TFrog: still using my atheros card for kismet and such.
[12:37] <bobstro> which dlink?
[12:38] <TFrog> i took FC 6 for a test drive yesterday and went right back to Kubuntu as it's hands down a better distro
[12:38] <bobstro> TFrog:  i've got a netgear wg511t (atheros) which is a champ.
[12:38] <bobstro> TFrog:  i always come back to some flavor of debian. :)
[12:39] <TFrog> yeah bobstro. i love atheros as far as linux goes. had it up on FC5 almost a year ago. wanted to try native drivers in kubuntu
[12:39] <Bubba_Gump> kubuntu seems the easiest by far
[12:40] <b0ng0> hey does anyone know how to get v 9.*** nvidia drivers for edgy?
[12:40] <TFrog> yes, i'm getting the general feeling that Debian is much better organized. at least as far as ubuntu/kubuntu is concerned. FC 6 has a nightmare for a KDE menu
[12:40] <Bubba_Gump> !nvidia | b0ng0
[12:40] <ubotu> b0ng0: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:42] <TFrog> now there is my other beef but it's with ATI and not kubuntu. damn ATI wants you to use system memory which is precious on a laptop. i have a laptop with ATI 200M chipset. would love to try some of the other eye candy
[12:42] <Bubba_Gump> yeah :)
[12:42] <Bubba_Gump> transluceny is niiiice :D
[12:42] <TFrog> Bubba_Gump, i love kubuntu for more than just that. i think most Debian distros that i've seen are more stable than redhat
[12:42] <bobstro> Bubba_Gump:  i've tried distros for years, but am by far happiest with kubuntu so far.
[12:43] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[12:43] <bobstro> hah, it was RH6 (or thereabouts) and RPM hell that drove me to debian. never gone back.
[12:43] <TFrog> bobstro, i've tried suse, fedora core, and mandriva before this. hate most all of them after moving from FC5
[12:44] <SlimG> howto play divx in kaffeine? (already got xine-extracodecs & w32codecs)
[12:44] <bobstro> i may check out suse, out of misguided love for novell from years ago. but i don't expect much.
[12:44] <bobstro> i liked mepis alot, but i think ubuntu is taking over (rightfully).
[12:45] <Bubba_Gump> heh
[12:45] <TFrog> bobstro, i recently loaded their 10.1 and had the same issues with it as i do with FC 6. too much menu clutter and not as well organized as kubuntu
[12:45] <Bubba_Gump> ubuntu just *works* :)
[12:45] <bobstro> Bubba_Gump:  yeah, pretty much. lazy me wants easyubuntu for edgy NOW though. :)
[12:45] <Bubba_Gump> heh
[12:46] <TFrog> anyway, thanks for the help and the chat guys. i'll do some more digging later
[12:46] <TFrog> cya
[12:46] <Bubba_Gump> cya
[12:46] <arcan> hi
[12:46] <b0ng0> bubba that link you sent me was for Ubuntu, not kubuntu
[12:47] <arcan> anyware speak spanish?
[12:47] <bobstro> gnite
[12:47] <TFrog> oh before i go, if you guys are curious one of FC's biggest supporters Stanton Finley has moved to ubuntu. could get some interesting stuff out of him as he's quite bright
[12:47] <TFrog> later
[12:48] <Dheeraj_k> bobstro: astalabisa
[12:48] <Bubba_Gump> b0ng0: should be pretty much the same (console commands)
[12:48] <Dheeraj_k> ops i can't :)
[12:48] <bobstro> gondada
[12:48] <Bubba_Gump> b0ng0: the gui commands may differ slightly
[12:49] <we2by> how do you start the kbfx panel?
[12:49] <mc__> we2by: yo have to add it
[12:50] <we2by> how?
[12:50] <mc__> we2by: its an applet
[12:50] <mc__> right click on a free space in your taskbar
[12:50] <mc__> Add APllet to Panel
[12:51] <we2by> ah, I c
[12:51] <we2by> thx
[12:51] <mc__> we2by: you are welcome
[12:59] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[12:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:00] <dheeraj_> .
[01:09] <giometz> the search engine in amarok could be set to be similar to xmms'?
[01:09] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys im having trouble with beryl and kubuntu i followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851yet i get the following error code wheni start it
[01:09] <ForzaPalermo> http://pastebin.com/833558
[01:11] <ForzaPalermo> anyone?
[01:13] <DralaFi> hmm, need to get beagle fixed at some point
[01:23] <denis_> buenas
[01:25] <velle> is there an irc command to check if a channel exists?
[01:26] <ergoproxy> '/cs info'
[01:26] <Hawkwind> velle: /msg chanserv info #channel
[01:27] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys im having trouble with beryl and kubuntu i followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851yet i get the following error code wheni start it
[01:27] <ForzaPalermo> http://pastebin.com/833558
[01:27] <velle> thanks
[01:35] <Xzyx987X> are there any raw cd reading utilities like isobuster for linux?
[01:38] <trappist> Xzyx987X: you might check out cdrdao
[01:38] <trappist> Xzyx987X: or dd
[01:38] <Xzyx987X> k...
[01:39] <Xzyx987X> uh, I said reading, not writing
[01:40] <velle> a general unix question: i've extracted a tarball, and DIDNT extract into a folder but exploded onto my desktop, can I undo this? In windows I think I could ctrl+z
[01:40] <Dr_willis> velle,  not really an easy way to do that
[01:40] <Xzyx987X> I'm looking for something that shows all the filesytems on the disk, and can do error recovery operation on corrupted data
[01:40] <robotgeek> velle: one you cli, you can;t go back
[01:40] <velle> cli?
[01:40] <trappist> velle: people who make tarballs like that should be shot
[01:40] <Dr_willis> they guy put his tarball together wrong. :)
[01:40] <Dr_willis> seen worse things in windows. heh
[01:40] <robotgeek> velle: command line, i dont know if ctrl + z works , try it
[01:40] <unix_infidel> velle: you did this in konq or konsole?
[01:40] <Hirvinen> velle: You can't undo unzip(comparable) in Windows either.
[01:41] <unix_infidel> control+Z backgrounds a process in CLI.
[01:41] <n8k99> velle how much other stuff is on your desktop?
[01:41] <trappist> velle: rm `tar --list filename.tar.gz` might work
[01:41] <robotgeek> howdy trappist
[01:41] <trappist> heya robotgeek
[01:41] <unix_infidel> if tehre are dirs you will be required to descend into and do manually.
[01:41] <Xzyx987X> ok, guess I'll file that under things you still can't do in linux for now...
[01:42] <trappist> Xzyx987X: cdrdao and dd read cds.
[01:42] <Dr_willis> some tasks are hard to do - no matter the os. :)
[01:42] <Xzyx987X> it's easy to do in windows...
[01:43] <Dr_willis> i missed the question even.. :)
[01:43] <Xzyx987X> in a related question, anyone here have experience setting up vmware in kubuntu?
[01:43] <trappist> Xzyx987X: you mean it's easy to do with some windows software
[01:43] <velle> i fixed it manually, fortunately i did not have a lot on the desktop, thanks all
[01:43] <Dr_willis> ive installed the vmware-server several dozen times. :)
[01:43] <Xzyx987X> for some reason it won't boot from the cd device
[01:43] <Xzyx987X> unless it's run root...
[01:43] <Dr_willis> i use vmeare to test out iso images/live cd's
[01:43] <unix_infidel> vmware-server is dead easy if you follow a guide. after that its intuitive.
[01:43] <trappist> Xzyx987X: depending on the version of vmware, you may need to tell the vm BIOS to boot to cd first.  might also need to configure the vm to use the right device.
[01:44] <Xzyx987X> well, it is set to boot from the cd before network boot, and it gets to network boot
[01:44] <Xzyx987X> but, I'll try it
[01:45] <Xzyx987X> ah, ok, worked apparently...
[01:47] <Xzyx987X> I really wish wine worked better though. as much as I'm glad to get ms off my system, there are still windows apps I consider indespensible
[01:48] <Dr_willis> i cant think of any.. :)
[01:48] <trappist> Xzyx987X: a small investment in cxoffice and/or cedega can make a big difference there
[01:48] <Xzyx987X> I tried a trail of those, but they don't cover the things I want...
[01:49] <Xzyx987X> mainly, media player classic with ffdshow, isobuster, various emulators, and a few other miscelaneus utilities
[01:49] <Xzyx987X> especially ones for video encoding
[01:50] <trappist> never heard of ffdshow, most emulators that are available anywhere are available for linux, the ones that aren't can probably run in wine, and there are lots of video encoding apps for linux - and most that I've seen for windows run fine in wine
[01:50] <Xzyx987X> ssf, the best sega saturn emulator won't work in linux/wine
[01:51] <Xzyx987X> nether will the best genesis emulator, kega fusion
[01:51] <unix_infidel> bug the devs for a nix port
[01:51] <Xzyx987X> ffdshow is a suite of decoders and filters for dshow/vfw, so it'll probably never get into linux
[01:52] <Xzyx987X> although a gstreamer port may be possible, I don't think anyone would do it...
[01:53] <Xzyx987X> ironically, ffdshow is based on ffmpeg and mplayer, but it expands on their funtionality so much there is really no substitute
[01:56] <ubuntu_> Hi guys, I need help with grub... I tried to install gag didnt worked, I reinstalled grub and now grub is unable to mount my root partition...
[01:57] <trappist> ubuntu_: is your root partition xfs?
[01:58] <ubuntu_> ext3
[01:58] <ubuntu_> weird to be called ubuntu... livecd :)
[01:58] <trappist> wait you installed grub from the livecd?
[01:58] <txabi> hi
[01:59] <ubuntu_> nope, froom the grub boot menu
[01:59] <txabi> recentrly upgraded to edgy and my etc/fstab got modified, or at least I think so
[01:59] <trappist> txabi: yes it probably did
[01:59] <txabi> usual lines, /dev/... /media... got commented out
[02:00] <txabi> and replaced bu UUID ones
[02:00] <trappist> txabi: and got replaced with UUID lines
[02:00] <trappist> yeah
[02:00] <txabi> ok
[02:00] <txabi> but one of them got erased :D
[02:00] <txabi> can i mix old style lines and new ones?
[02:00] <trappist> txabi: dev lines should still work
[02:00] <trappist> yes
[02:00] <txabi> ok, thnx
[02:00] <ubuntu_> when running livecd, I got to select ext3 to be able to mount my partition via system settings
[02:01] <trappist> txabi: you can use the vol_id tool to get the UUID if you prefer
[02:01] <trappist> txabi:  sudo vol_id -u /dev/hda1
[02:01] <txabi> mm
[02:01] <txabi> could do it
[02:01] <txabi> but, what is the reason for this change?
[02:02] <trappist> txabi: something to do with upstart, I think
[02:02] <ubuntu_> Is there a way to force the partition type in the /boot/grub/menu.lst ^
[02:03] <bLaZeD> !uuid
[02:03] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:04] <trappist> bLaZeD: good one
[02:04] <trappist> man blkid is way better than what I'd started writing
[02:05] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I need to recursively search a directory, and delete all files of a certain name.
[02:06] <trappist> Digital_Pioneer: find /path/to/dir -name filename -exec rm {} \;
[02:06] <bLaZeD> trappist, both owrk good ;)
[02:06] <bLaZeD> *work
[02:07] <trappist> bLaZeD: I mean, I was writing a tool to do pretty much what blkid does, because I've never heard of it
[02:07] <bLaZeD> ah
[02:07] <Digital_Pioneer> trappist: Dude, you're a  lifesaver! Thanks!!!
[02:07] <trappist> Digital_Pioneer: :)
[02:07] <Digital_Pioneer> trappist: I already deleted them all manually once, I'm not interested in a repeat performance.
[02:08] <Digital_Pioneer> :D
[02:08] <trappist> heh
[02:09] <_kuja_> I haven't had the time to play nwn yet :(
[02:09] <trappist> ooh I need to reinstall nwn
[02:09] <_kuja_> Crap, wrong window >.>
[02:10] <_kuja_> Things are just too busy in this window ...
[02:10] <txabi> thnx, trappist, works now whith UUID
[02:10] <txabi> anyway, weird change
[02:10] <txabi> wasn't partition table unique enough?
[02:11] <trappist> txabi: don't know much about it, really, but I've learned that when there's a change like this that I don't understand, there almost always turns out to be a really good reason for it
[02:11] <txabi> must be
[02:12] <trappist> txabi: or, it might have to do with stuff like removable USB devices, which might not always get the same device node but will always have the same UUID
[02:12] <txabi> that would be a reason
[02:13] <txabi> wonder how do they calculate that id
[02:13] <_kuja_> The point behind the UUIDs is that you could, for example, switch your drives around inside the case, or whatever, and they'd still have the same UUID, you wouldn't have to change anything in the fstab after moving stuff around... nothing would break.
[02:13] <trappist> txabi: I believe it's built into the device
[02:13] <trappist> _kuja_: that crossed my mind too, but are there really people doing that, that the fstab change becomes a good idea because of that?
[02:13] <txabi> well, vol_id over a sdX partition doesn't give any uuid , lol
[02:14] <Jucato> trappist: it's something new that's being implemented into the kernel afaik
[02:14] <trappist> rag_: could you stop changing your nick
[02:14] <Nuked> anyone in here know about adesklets
[02:14] <_kuja_> Apparantly someone does, or they wouldn't try to implement something like that, at least that's what I think trappist
[02:15] <trappist> Jucato: implemented in what way?
[02:15] <txabi> _kuja_: at least, with remomvable usb pen drive doesnt work, as it cant guess a uid
[02:15] <trappist> rag_: seriously, please stop.
[02:15] <trappist> rag_: you're spamming half a dozen channels with that
[02:16] <_kuja_> txabi....seems to be targeted at hard drive partitions only
[02:16] <_kuja_> Note even the cdrom drives use th e UUID
[02:16] <txabi> seems
[02:16] <Jucato> it's actually for IDE drives, afaik
[02:16] <Jucato> trappist:
[02:17] <Jucato> "The success of libata for SATA support has resulted in Alan Cox working to port the existing IDE subsystem drivers to libata as well. This will eventually result in us having to only cope with one "storage" subsystem and make our lives somewhat simpler."
[02:17] <Nuked> I don't mean to interrupt, but adesklets_installer is whining about tkgui
[02:17] <Nuked> any idea how I can solve that problem?
[02:17] <crimsun> Jucato: / trappist: please see /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[02:18] <trappist> crimsun: thanks
[02:18] <Jucato> why me? :)
[02:18] <_kuja_> jucato, it uses the UUID on my SATA drives
[02:18] <rag> trappist: sorry
[02:19] <trappist> crimsun: that doesn't seem to explain the reason for the change
[02:19] <txabi> uhmm, that script failed for me
[02:19] <Nuked> no go on the adesklets, huh
[02:19] <txabi> missed one entry :P
[02:19] <Jucato> _kuja_: based on that quote, it seems that it was originally implemented for SATA, and now being implemented for IDE drives too
[02:20] <Jucato> !uuid | trappist
[02:20] <ubotu> trappist: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:20] <Jucato> that page
[02:20] <_kuja_> Interesting
[02:20] <trappist> Nuked: what iexactly is it saying about tk_gui
[02:20] <_kuja_> Ah yes, that was the command ... I played with it yesterday, or the day before
[02:20] <Nuked>  File "/usr/bin/adesklets_installer", line 631, in ?
[02:20] <trappist> Jucato: ah, that's what I was looking for, thanks :)
[02:20] <Nuked>  if globals()['%sGUI' % ui] (): break
[02:20] <Nuked> then mentions the KeyError is tkgui
[02:22] <trappist> Nuked: looks like python.  I'm not much good with python, but it sure seems to be looking for tk_gui which according to apt-file isn't provided by any package
[02:22] <Nuked> wouldnt that have been installed if I installed from the repos?
[02:23] <Kr4t05> Say I have /home mounted on a separate volume and that volume suddenly crashes. Disregarding data recovery, would I be able to make a new home directory on the root volume and have Ubuntu recognize it without hassle?
[02:23] <_kuja_> Yes
[02:24] <_kuja_> Remove the line for the /home partition from the fstab
[02:24] <Jucato> _kuja_ beat me to saying it :P
[02:24] <Kr4t05> Cool beans.
[02:24] <trappist> me too
[02:24] <_kuja_> create the new home folder/user associated with it
[02:24] <DralaFi> and don't forget to chown it
[02:25] <Kr4t05> DralaFi: Can I do this from the LiveCD?
[02:25] <DralaFi> yes
[02:25] <trappist> Nuked: trying now...
[02:26] <Nuked> trappist thanks in advance
[02:26] <trappist> Nuked: at what point do you get the error
[02:26] <SlimG> howto play divx in kaffeine? (already got xine-extracodecs & w32codecs)
[02:26] <_kuja_> chgrp allyourbase us
[02:26] <_kuja_> **chgrp us allyourbase
[02:27] <Nuked> trappist as soon as I run it : File "/usr/bin/adesklets_installer", line 631, in ?
[02:27] <_kuja_> divx in caffeine? is it not working already?
[02:27] <crimsun> trappist: search for a bug against linux-source-2.6.12 in which docking an external HD results in an unbootable system.
[02:27] <_kuja_> *kaffeine
[02:27] <trappist> Nuked: ah, I can't reproduce the error.  just a sec...
[02:28] <SlimG> _kuja_: can't get the red vs. blue divx files to run on it
[02:28] <txabi> try VLC
[02:28] <Nuked> is there like a backtrace or something that I can supply you with in order to help
[02:28] <Kr4t05> crimsun: a strange, somewhat related problem.   I used to have similar issues way back when, on a distro that turned on 'boot offboard chipsets first'
[02:28] <_kuja_> Hmm, I could have sworn I had them playing a _LONG_ while back
[02:29] <SlimG> Isn't there a solution for playing divx in kaffeine without installing a second player?
[02:29] <trappist> Nuked: I eventually got the error, but those are only the first two lines of the error.  is there more to yours?
[02:30] <trappist> SlimG: probably.  but some of us have learned that mplayer will play pretty well everything, and have stopped learning about kaffeine :)
[02:30] <Kr4t05> Wait... When did fstab start using UUIDs instead of device names?
[02:30] <txabi> SlimG, installed extra codecs via automattix2?
[02:30] <Nuked> trappist I suppose there are more, due to this message Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:30] <_kuja_> SlimG, it plays most things out of the box... I've never had trouble with playing a lot of divx files with it. Which version of DivX was it encoded with?
[02:30] <SlimG> txabi: no, did it regulary, libxine-extracodecs
[02:30] <trappist> Nuked: try running it from the command line
[02:30] <crimsun> Kr4t05: as of Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:44:22 +0100
[02:30] <Nuked> that is where I am running it from :)
[02:31] <Kr4t05> crimsun: is that upstart related?
[02:31] <SlimG> _kuja_: dunno.. how can i find out?
[02:31] <crimsun> Kr4t05: no.
[02:31] <txabi> do it, since i did it no vid resists despite the player ;)
[02:31] <notech> Kr4t05: with edgy i believe
[02:31] <_kuja_> Hmm, one sec
[02:31] <trappist> Nuked: does it launch a gui installer?
[02:31] <Kr4t05> Okay, well, I'm going to try this, now.
[02:32] <SlimG> _kuja_: its the rvb episodes over at http://rvb.roosterteeth.com
[02:33] <trappist> Nuked: does adesklets_installer -c work?
[02:34] <trappist> Nuked: in any case, you should probably file a bug against the adesklets package.
[02:35] <_kuja_> SlimG, which one? quicktime or wmv, hires or lowres?
[02:35] <SlimG> _kuja_: it's some of the older ones where you can choose DivX among the formats
[02:36] <_kuja_> oh, okay thej
[02:36] <_kuja_> *n
[02:36] <SlimG> _kuja_: ex. http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/archive/episode.php?id=88
[02:36] <SlimG> _kuja_: hires
[02:37] <SlimG> _kuja_: around 20MB i think
[02:37] <_kuja_> ... this could take a while
[02:37] <thanatos_> im running beryl, does any1 know how to change the WindowTitlebar Double-click action?
[02:38] <_kuja_> crap, still 30mb :\
[02:38] <_kuja_> SlimG: I guess I'll get back to you on that in 10 minutes
[02:39] <SlimG> _kuja_: ok :)
[02:40] <scott> how do I install vmware?
[02:40] <_kuja_> player or server?
[02:40] <scott> player
[02:40] <scott> I downloaded it...in a .rpm file
[02:40] <_kuja_> Sounds like you downloaded the wrong file
[02:41] <scott> what version should I download?
[02:41] <_kuja_> I think vmware player is in the repos
[02:41] <_kuja_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=vmware+player&titlesearch=Titel
[02:43] <scott> I need some help to remember how to make my machine available for mutiverse
[02:43] <trappist> !multiverse > scott
[02:44] <_kuja_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AddingRepositoriesHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[02:44] <scott> how do I intall kde?
[02:44] <Nuked> trappist the -c I believe solved the issue
[02:45] <scott> I am asking the basic questions today
[02:45] <trappist> Nuked: -c bypasses tk and goes directly to a curses interface.  it'd be great if you'd file a bug (if it hasn't already been filed)
[02:45] <Nuked> trappist where do I file the bug?
[02:46] <scott> how do I install KDE on Ubuntu?
[02:46] <trappist> Nuked: nm it's already been filed here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/adesklets/+bug/67393
[02:46] <trappist> scott: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:47] <gafanhoto> Boa noite! Aqui se fala portugues?
[02:47] <Nuked> !pt
[02:47] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:47] <scott> trappist...are you a trappist monk?
[02:47] <Jucato> O.o
[02:48] <trappist> not exactly, no
[02:48] <scott> great name...I am a fan of Thomas Merton
[02:48] <trappist> scott: doesn't ring a bell I'm afraid :)
[02:49] <scott> famous trappist monk who died in 1969...pretty famous writter
[02:49] <trappist> Nuked: installing the python-tk package should fix it
[02:49] <scott> how do I move from Ubuntu to Kubuntu...what what is the difference?
[02:49] <trappist> scott: ah, cool.  I'm mostly a fan of their beers.
[02:50] <scott> well...I am always a fan of beer
[02:50] <trappist> scott: ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu uses kde.  once you've installed kubuntu, you can just select kde at your login screen.
[02:50] <robotgeek> scott: kubuntu uses kde, which i think is a better desktop enviroment than gnome,but your mileage may very :)
[02:50] <Nuked> they actually sell this kind of beer made by trappists near me
[02:51] <scott> I am a total rookie...so...learning as I go concerning environments...
[02:51] <trappist> Nuked: yeah chimay is pretty much everywhere now... but this is really offtopic
[02:51] <scott> there is a trappist monistary near me...thinking of going there on a spiritual retreat
[02:51] <Nuked> my apologies
[02:51] <gafanhoto> Algum por aqui que fala potugues?? Au Chu iu parolanta de tiu chi lingvo??
[02:52] <trappist> !pt | gafanhoto
[02:52] <ubotu> gafanhoto: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:52] <Nuked> trapist that package fixed the problem
[02:52] <trappist> Nuked: awesome
[02:52] <scott> is there a good speach recognition program available for linux?
[02:52] <trappist> scott: I don't know of any free ones
[02:52] <gafanhoto> UBOTU!!! Me ajude!!! Esta  a primeira vez que uso este programa!!!
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Me ajude!!! Esta  a primeira vez que uso este programa!!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <gafanhoto> O que  #ubuntu-br???
[02:53] <scott> I have a version of dragon speach...using vmware...the best way to go?
[02:53] <trappist> gafanhoto: /join #ubuntu-br
[02:53] <trappist> scott: dragon is pretty great.  maybe it'll run in wine?
[02:54] <gafanhoto> Aconteceu algo!!!!
[02:54] <scott> so...what is the best way to get wine?
[02:54] <DralaFi> I'm about to install mono. I feel dirty. :9
[02:54] <Nuked> DralaFi: why?>
[02:54] <trappist> DralaFi: nothing wrong with mono
[02:55] <DralaFi> microsoft technology
[02:55] <trappist> scott: you could sudo apt-get install wine, but I hear a lot of users don't have a lot of success with that.  you could download the source from winehq.org, or get a commercial version like cedega or cxoffice
[02:55] <DralaFi> gnu implementation
[02:55] <Nuked> then it isnt exactly microsoft tech, now is it?
[02:56] <trappist> DralaFi: we probably wouldn't have such smart people spending so much time implementing it if it was just dirty
[02:56] <DralaFi> trappist, true, but maybe they like dirt :)
[02:57] <Nuked> DralaFi: we can criticise all opensource software devels that way
[02:58] <Nuked> they may have really horrid people skills, but they do their best to deliver a solid product
[02:58] <DralaFi> Nuked, I woudn't know anything about that, honest! :)
[03:01] <DralaFi> but i'm installing mono to run beagle on slackware.
[03:02] <DralaFi> though beagle runs on kubuntu, it doesn't seem to index anything anymore. Something's broke and I'm not sure what.
[03:02] <robotgeek> DralaFi: hmm, try the command line debug tools
[03:02] <DralaFi> I tried beagle-query and -search etc
[03:03] <DralaFi> status just says it's doing something to the indexes
[03:03] <DralaFi> can't get anything in Kerry or beagle-search
[03:03] <lrentz> Anyone using a core 2 duo laptop that has frequency scaling working correctly?
[03:04] <lrentz> This is the only thing I have left to get working correctly.
[03:04] <robotgeek> DralaFi: hmm, indexing takes a while, but you say that it was indexing before?
[03:05] <DralaFi> robotgeek, yes. a while back, it did have at least a partial index. Running searches did return data. Recently, nothing is returned.
[03:05] <robotgeek> DralaFi: interesting.
[03:05] <DralaFi> though I think i rm -r ~/.beagle and tried to rebuild the dir
[03:06] <robotgeek> DralaFi: not sure, i think that beagle thing complains etc
[03:06] <DralaFi> hmm, so <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't work with HAL and kde :( or my .config is screwed
[03:07] <DralaFi> robotgeek, ok, well my laptop is running now. What should I do to test if beagle works?
[03:07] <robotgeek> DralaFi: that beagle-status program is all i can think of
[03:08] <DralaFi> maintanence. lots of optimise jobs.
[03:08] <gtwy> have you heard of this: http://ps3.shimpinomori.net/index_en.html
[03:08] <_kuja_> SlimG...... it plays fine for me?
[03:08] <gtwy> guy put linux on his ps3, if you hack in he will give it to you
[03:09] <DralaFi> beagle-query foo  returns items. beagle-query lima  does not, even though i'm sure i have lots of files that should match that criteria
[03:09] <SlimG> _kuja_: thanx, then i know it's somehing i've done :P
[03:09] <_kuja_> I've got libxine-extracodecs installed, but not the win32 codecs
[03:10] <_kuja_> Then again, I'm using Edgy, are you using Dapper?
[03:10] <robotgeek> DralaFi: maybe it has not finished indexing, wait a moment?
[03:11] <DralaFi> robotgeek, how long to wait? a few days non stop?
[03:11] <robotgeek> maybe 15 minutes or so
[03:11] <DralaFi> i've been booted more than that....
[03:14] <robotgeek> DralaFi: hmm, maybe check if all the files are being indexed (like directories are correct)
[03:15] <DralaFi> robotgeek, index my home folder checkbox is ticked
[03:15] <robotgeek> DralaFi: okay. i dont really know what is wrong. it seems to be working fine for me
[03:16] <jdiwnab> excuse me, but did 5.10 come with the NDISwrapper?
[03:16] <DralaFi> robotgeek, it's optimising now, and has further 8 optimise tasks
[03:17] <robotgeek> jdiwnab: nope
[03:17] <jdiwnab> shoot
[03:17] <jdiwnab> thanks
[03:19] <DralaFi> robotgeek, as per http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting, I ran beagle-index-info and none of them have Indexing: True
[03:20] <robotgeek> DralaFi: oh okay, maybe #beagle (if it exists?)
[03:31] <ubuntu> anyone know the command used by the installer to install the preseed ?
[03:31] <ubuntu> or any way to find that info on the live CD ?
[03:37] <jdiwnab> How difficult would it be to use apt-get to upgrade from Ubuntu 5.10 to Kubuntu 6.06 or 6.10?
[03:37] <coreymon77> jdiwnab: wow! just be ready for a major change
[03:38] <jdiwnab> I am too lazy to burn another disk
[03:38] <coreymon77> hoary (or was it breezy) to edgy
[03:38] <jdiwnab> when I have one here
[03:38] <coreymon77> major upgrade
[03:38] <jdiwnab> I know
[03:38] <robotgeek> jdiwnab: breezy to dapper is pretty cool
[03:38] <jdiwnab> ok
[03:38] <jdiwnab> that is what I will probably do
[03:38] <robotgeek> jdiwnab: make sure you read the upgrade notes
[03:38] <coreymon77> breezy to edgy though,,,wow!
[03:38] <robotgeek> !upgrade > jdiwnab
[03:39] <coreymon77> you wouldnt even think it was the same distro
[03:39] <coreymon77> dapper to edgy is quite big in itself
[03:39] <robotgeek> i am not going to upgrade to edgy, as it is edgy :)
[03:40] <jdiwnab> that info was for 6.06 to 6.10
[03:40] <robotgeek> jdiwnab: use dapper instead of edgy :)
[03:40] <jdiwnab> is there upgrade notes for 5.10 to 6.06
[03:41] <robotgeek> jdiwnab: one sec
[03:41] <Dr_willis> thats a scary thought. :)
[03:41] <robotgeek> jdiwnab: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[03:41] <jdiwnab> ty
[03:42] <Dr_willis> the more horror stories about Upgrades i hear.. the more i am glad i just keep /home on its own hard drive.
[03:42] <Nuked> adesklets is awesome
[03:42] <[Nige] > is anyone having problems with edgy loading x windows after boot?
[03:44] <Dr_willis> If everyone answered "no' would that help?
[03:44] <ergoproxy> no
[03:44] <jdiwnab> I will say that 5.10 is being the fastest OS intall I think I have ever done
[03:44] <robotgeek> lol
[03:45] <Dr_willis> [Nige] ,  is this an upgrade or clean install?
[03:45] <coreymon77> oh no
[03:45] <coreymon77> i dont mean for it to be a horror story
[03:45] <coreymon77> im just saying
[03:45] <coreymon77> it was a major upgrade (and i bit of a surprise at first) going to edgy
[03:45] <coreymon77> although im very happy with it now
[03:46] <[Nige] > Dr_willis, clean install with ati drivers installed (and working)
[03:46] <[Nige] > Dr_willis, this is a desktop pc as well
[03:46] <Dr_willis> [Nige] ,  try booting/going to console and 'startx' and see if any errors are shown.
[03:46] <[Nige] > yer it loads if I do that
[03:46] <[Nige] > thats currently how I have been using it
[03:46] <BluesKaj> what's the proper autoremove or autoclean command ?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> so it appears that KDM has some sort issue? that the login manager does not appear?
[03:47] <[Nige] > it seems it doesnt have fonts installed as welll
[03:47] <BluesKaj> aha , someone else has it too
[03:47] <[Nige] > well It used tooo, I still think  it has something to do with edgy
[03:47] <naught101> would anyone have any idea why sourceforge.net freezes my computer? freezes in both firefox AND konqueror
[03:48] <[Nige] > i used to get a login screen once, before but I had to  goto ALT+FN6 to get my login screen
[03:48] <[Nige] > its been alittle odd
[03:48] <BluesKaj> had to reinstall edgy...couldn't get the login scrn back  after making a silly mistake
[03:49] <[Nige] > BluesKaj, did you post on linuxquestions?
[03:49] <BluesKaj> nope, been too busy trying to resurrect my pc
[03:49] <[Nige] > lol okay
[03:50] <[Nige] > i am opening up the sys log viewer now :)
[03:50] <[Nige] > i am thinking its the crappy ati dirvers
[03:50] <Nuked> the resurrection of the fallen ubuntu
[03:50] <Nuked> oh noes!
[03:50] <BluesKaj> I had plenty od help but the system was beyond it ... uninstalling beryl real did my xserver-xorg in
[03:51] <Dr_willis> i had an oddity where gdm and kdm both took like 3 min to startup.. not sure what the deal was.
[03:51] <Nuked> I had the weirdest issue with gdm under dapper
[03:51] <BluesKaj> well I waited for over 15mins at one point
[03:51] <Nuked> it randomly complained about glade
[03:51] <Nuked> which was installed
[03:52] <Nuked> ubuntu just goes crazy sometimes
[03:52] <Nuked> (it could be me, but I doubt it)
[03:52] <[Nige] > kdm log -AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727)
[03:52] <[Nige] > kdm  log - AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[03:53] <[Nige] > Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[03:53] <[Nige] > those are the kdm log errors there are another 2 about fonts as well
[03:53] <Dr_willis> that font warnng is just a warning.
[03:55] <rBlong2us> hi
[03:55] <rBlong2us> will this work with 6.10 apt-get install firefox?
[03:55] <rBlong2us> it's cause I uninstalled it
[03:55] <rBlong2us> thanks
[03:55] <[Nige] > so I am confuzed by this
[03:56] <rBlong2us> anyone
[03:56] <phillijw> when I do sudo apt-get update it lists off all the repos then it gives errors like this: E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[03:56] <rBlong2us> apt-get install firefox YES or NO
[03:56] <BluesKaj> rBlong2us: it worked for me this morning: sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:56] <[Nige] > any other ideas about this?
[03:57] <rBlong2us> BluesKaj: with 6.10?
[03:57] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:57] <rBlong2us> ok thanks
[03:57] <trappist> phillijw: does /var/cache/apt exist?  is it writable?
[03:57] <trappist> phillijw: is your hard drive full?
[03:58] <phillijw> trappist: my hd is not full
[03:59] <Vuen> wicked. i've been using kubuntu for half a year now, and i'd never used a usb drive on it before
[03:59] <Vuen> i just popped one in wondering whether it would work... i must say, i am extremely impressed
[03:59] <robotgeek> Vuen: nice icons and all :)
[03:59] <Vuen> god i love you kubuntu
[03:59] <Vuen> i love you so much
[03:59] <Vuen> thank you for freeing me from microsoft
[03:59] <Vuen> everything just works
[04:00] <Vuen> it works
[04:00] <Vuen> *glee*
[04:00] <robotgeek> Vuen: i know the feeling. it is awesome. congrats!
[04:00] <Vuen> :)
[04:01] <TFrog> anyone here know why edgy sees an atheros wifi card on install yet after install iwconfig, ifconfig, and network settings don't see it even though kinfocenter sees the card?
[04:01] <robotgeek> TFrog: can you paste output of "sudo lshw" and "sudo lspci -v" to the pastebin
[04:02] <Vuen> that was exhilirating. my presentation is now safe on my usb drive
[04:02] <Vuen> i can't believe how flawless that was
[04:02] <TFrog> robotgeek, i'm not on the system right now. i'm on my laptop. it's a desktop with a dlink dwg520 card in it
[04:03] <robotgeek> TFrog: i want to know which chipset, etal. there is not much i can help you with without that information
[04:03] <TFrog> i can tell you robotgeek that it's an AR5212 atheros
[04:03] <rBlong2us> lovely Your system was affected by this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/30791
[04:04] <Pupeno> Do you know any program particularly well suited to make printed big labels, for advertising. Something like the old print master for DOS ?
[04:04] <rBlong2us> that was what was restarting ff a thousand millions times
[04:04] <TFrog> i've had it up with FC4 and FC5 flawlessly. i can get it running with ndiswrapper but would prefer a native driver
[04:06] <phillijw> drwxr-xr-x  3 root   root 4096 2006-11-25 17:38 apt
[04:07] <robotgeek> TFrog: so, it uses the madwifi driver
[04:07] <highLighter> I have ubuntu and I can't figure out how to connect to a different server--undrnet--there is no drop-down menu for that
[04:07] <TFrog> yes robotgeek
[04:08] <robotgeek> TFrog: it is supposed to work ootb, you are saying it does not show up.
[04:08] <robotgeek> maybe you should insert the modules manually
[04:09] <TFrog> what modules?
[04:09] <robotgeek> TFrog: the kernel modules
[04:09] <TFrog> in other words compile madwifi-ng?
[04:10] <Kr4t05> What would be the best way to set beryl as default WM?
[04:10] <robotgeek> TFrog: no, insert it using "sudo modprobe ath_pci"
[04:11] <phillijw> drwxr-xr-x  3 root   root 4096 2006-11-25 17:38 apt <--- these are my read/write settings, why cant i write to it with apt-get
[04:11] <bxnp> robotgeek: are you here
[04:11] <TFrog> i'll give it a go later. if it don't work then i'll probably run ndiswrapper till Fiesty. i hear they are going to work more on the networking and video drivers on it this time around
[04:11] <robotgeek> phillijw: you are running it with sudo, right
[04:11] <robotgeek> bxnp: yes
[04:11] <phillijw> yeys i am
[04:11] <bxnp> oke
[04:11] <bxnp> well i reinstalled dapper, and then i upgrade to edgy
[04:11] <TFrog> ty robotgeek.
[04:12] <bxnp> it dit not stall anymore during the upgrading
[04:12] <robotgeek> bxnp: oh well. weird
[04:12] <bxnp> yeah, anwyay the only problem i have is when i boot i dont have usplash anymore
[04:12] <bxnp> only a flickering screen
[04:13] <robotgeek> brb, phone
[04:14] <bxnp> any solution to the usplash problem robotgeek
[04:15] <robotgeek> bxnp: one sec
[04:15] <Dekkard> hmm
[04:15] <Dekkard> adept ..is it crashy or is it me?
[04:15] <[Nige] > i am beginning to think mplayer+display problems are linked
[04:15] <[Nige] > I cant play movies in mplayer at the moment
[04:16] <robotgeek> bxnp: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> !vmware
[04:17] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[04:18] <bxnp> how can i test it robotgeek
[04:18] <robotgeek> bxnp: reboot, i would guess
[04:19] <TFrog> robotgeek, i just booted the desktop and did the modprobe ath_pci and it gave me an output of "Fatal: module ath_pci not found"
[04:19] <bxnp> btw robotgeek is this related: Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping
[04:19] <phillijw> linux hates me
[04:19] <Jucato> bxnp: check if you have kubuntu-artwork-usplash installed
[04:19] <_kuja_> Why's that?
[04:20] <TFrog> phillijw, just more perseverance. took me a while to get linux working the way i want and i've been working it on and off for 3 years
[04:20] <phillijw> well ijust want my hard drive to not fail at life
[04:20] <robotgeek> TFrog: damn, i just googled and guessed that would be the module name
[04:20] <phillijw> before wiht gentoo, after I installed it gave me "cannot read this or that" errors
[04:20] <phillijw> i think my hd is failing or something
[04:21] <TFrog> i'll take a look via adept to see if there is such a module that i'm missing. lol
[04:21] <bxnp> yes its installed robotgeek
[04:21] <phillijw> i just thought gentoo was being an ass
[04:21] <TFrog> phillijw, i'm semi experienced with linux having run 4 different distros at one time or another and i still haven't taken the time to play with gentoo
[04:21] <robotgeek> TFrog: are you on dapper or edgy?
[04:22] <phillijw> ya, well, kubuntu is doing the same thing
[04:22] <TFrog> both laptop and desktop are on edgy robotgeek
[04:22] <Nuked> phillijw: gentoo is always an ass
[04:22] <TFrog> laptop is broadcom with ndis. desktop is currently wired but would like to go wireless natively instead of with ndis
[04:23] <phillijw> well why am I getting these "cannot read this or that' problems
[04:23] <phillijw> same with all distros it seems
[04:23] <jdiwnab-> I have a question about shared internet connections
[04:23] <phillijw> why cant my hd just call those clusters bad and decide to ignore them or something
[04:23] <Nuked> if in doubt, blame gentoo
[04:23] <phillijw> i dont have gentoo installed though
[04:23] <TFrog> phillijw, is it a cd issue?
[04:24] <robotgeek> TFrog: damn, the wiki says it should work out of of the box.
[04:24] <phillijw> i don think so
[04:24] <phillijw> sudo apt-get update complains that it cant write to the /var/cache/apt/ folder
[04:24] <jdiwnab> I have a windos box that connects all the time, and now a ubuntu box that is connected to the windows box via a crossover cable.
[04:25] <phillijw> and there were some other pobrlmes even when I just opened Konversation
[04:25] <jdiwnab> but it can't seem to connect to the internet even when I turn on internet sharring
[04:25] <phillijw> it said it cant write to the config bla bla bla
[04:25] <TFrog> believe me robotgeek, that was the first place i went. second to the forums where i see a lot of issues with atheros including similar to mine but no answers
[04:25] <phillijw> so basically mydisk is non-writable right now for who knows what reason
[04:25] <robotgeek> TFrog: you have the linux-resttricted package installed?
[04:25] <TFrog> other than possibly compiling madwifi-ng
[04:25] <phillijw> i can obviously write to it because I installed kubuntu
[04:25] <TFrog> give me a minute and i'll check. could be why i'm not getting it
[04:26] <_kuja_> phillijw, if in doubt, sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/
[04:26] <jdiwnab> does anyone know how I should be configuring my network for this to work?
[04:27] <TFrog> robotgeek, i think we just found part of the issue. NO linux-restricted loaded. going to load it and see if that resolves the issue
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> jdiwnab: if your windows box is actually working right then your ubuntu box should be able to get it's config via dhcp.
[04:27] <phillijw> kuja, in doubt of what/
[04:27] <robotgeek> TFrog: hopefully that should fix the issue
[04:27] <bxnp> robotgeek: i am going to reboot to see if it works
[04:27] <jdiwnab> do you know how the windows box should be?
[04:27] <robotgeek> bxnp: cool
[04:28] <phillijw> gentoo and kubuntu both decided to make my disk non-writable after a few restarts
[04:28] <phillijw> i have aboslutely no idea why
[04:28] <phillijw> and its pissing me off
[04:28] <phillijw> i've formatted 3 times
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> jdiwnab: you just need to go into properties of your internet connection and choose to share this connection.
[04:28] <_kuja_> In that case, the answer is to bang your head agains--- erm, maybe it's the hard drive?
[04:28] <jdiwnab> I did that and set ubuntu for dhcp and it did't work
[04:29] <phillijw> maybe it is... but shouldnt chkdisk or whatever attempt to fix it?
[04:29] <TFrog> robotgeek, i'm waiting out a 30 meg download now to find out. let you know in about 20 minutes if it fixes the issue
[04:29] <robotgeek> TFrog: cool
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> jdiwnab: run 'sudo ethtool eth0 | grep Link' and see if Link Detected: yes
[04:30] <TFrog> besides, i might learn more. always good to learn i say and i'm a CompTIA A+ tech. lol
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> jdiwnab: on the linux box of course - in konsole cli.
[04:31] <jdiwnab> one moment
[04:31] <_kuja_> phillijw, chkdisk or whatnot only checks the filesystem. I was suggesting that there could potentially be something wrong with the hard disk itself.
[04:33] <jdiwnab> YEAH!
[04:33] <jdiwnab> it works now
[04:33] <jdiwnab> thankyou LeeJunFan
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> jdiwnab: really didn't do anything :)
[04:33] <phillijw> kuja, so... wanna send me a new harddisk? :)
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> jdiwnab: I think maybe it just took some time to renew the dhcp, and fixed itself.
[04:34] <_kuja_> If I had a spare I would
[04:34] <jdiwnab> I think it was windows firewall wanting an ok or the time to renew, like you said
[04:34] <xnp> well robotgeek that did not do the trick
[04:34] <xnp> wondering what it could be
[04:34] <_kuja_> GAve my spare away a while back
[04:34] <_kuja_> two of them actually
[04:34] <bxnp> clear
[04:34] <_kuja_> gave away a dvd drive a week ago too
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> _kuja_: well if you want to give anything else away I'll send you my address.
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> :p
[04:35] <phillijw> how much do laptop harddrives cost?
[04:35] <_kuja_> Most of the stuff I have leftover is pretty outdated
[04:35] <_kuja_> Depends on the size/speed/brand
[04:35] <_kuja_> www.newegg.com has good prices
[04:36] <phillijw> actuall i'd rather just get rid of this damn dell inspiron
[04:36] <phillijw> it has done nothing but piss me off
[04:36] <_kuja_> Nothing worse for a persons sanity than having to call dell's tech support :x
[04:36] <_kuja_> UGhhh
[04:36] <_kuja_> Can't understand a word they say
[04:37] <robotgeek> bxnp: brb, phone
[04:37] <Kornflake46703> hey should my wireless logitech  stuff work in 6.10
[04:37] <Kornflake46703> ?
[04:37] <_kuja_> In an ideal world, everything should work
[04:38] <_kuja_> Whether it does or not, that's another question :P
[04:38] <Kornflake46703> hahaha
[04:38] <Kornflake46703> soo true
[04:40] <Kornflake46703> sooo mabey?
[04:40] <Kornflake46703> lol
[04:42] <_kuja_> LeeJunFan: all I've got left really is a handful of spare parts from old setups... an old p3 box, an older k6-II box, and a relatively new motherboard that I haven't bothered to figure out which part of is messed up... I'm not sure whether the processor (AMD Athlon64 4000+) or the motherboard is fried.... The boxes are somewhat stripped. No hard drives. Might still have modems/NICs, still have their motherboard and processor obviously, I'm thinki
[04:42] <_kuja_>  and having myself a little local webserver
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> _kuja_: yeah, I was really just joking, I got rid of all my old stuff too. I haven't really been in the desktop world for about 5 years now, been nothing but laptops for me.
[04:45] <_kuja_> LeeJunFan: yeah... I need to get around to getting a laptop.... but they cost money, money that I blew on this desktop, so I guess I'm making the best of it.
[04:46] <_kuja_> I guess I'm still kinda ticked about how I fried the one motherboard/processor though. I have a hunch that either the motherboard or processor might still be good, but don't feel compelled to test it though.
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> _kuja_: yeah, it makes more sense to have a desktop, but I'm in business for myself, and do a lot of network work so having a laptop was the best choice for me, and if I had gotten anything less than the best then I wouldn't want to use it at all, and it would be a waste of money.
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> So now I can't afford a dekstop :)
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> I mean not what I want - which would be to build a game machine.
[04:47] <_kuja_> More or less what I've got
[04:48] <_kuja_> Wish I could get CPU throttling working though ... I know I had it working at some point ... or maybe that was the other very similar setup... At any rate, it should work and refuses to.
[04:52] <method|> I just bought a new seagate harddrive. how do I format it and stuff? I'm not sure if kubuntu recognizes it right now
[04:52] <Nuked> gnight all
[04:52] <Kornflake46703> night
[04:52] <Kornflake46703> nuked
[04:55] <Hawkwind> soulrider: You around ?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> method|: you need to partition it first, fdisk or cfdisk
[04:56] <Vaske_Car> how to setup Konqueror to use Flash plugin?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> !flash | Vaske_Car
[04:56] <ubotu> Vaske_Car: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:56] <method|> LeeJunFan: im not sure if it's even being recognized. how can i check?
[04:56] <Admiral_Chicago> Vaske_Car: did you install libflash-nonfree?
[04:56] <Vaske_Car> yes
[04:56] <Vaske_Car> I am on Ubuntu btw
[04:56] <ubuntu> anybody know how to use /cdrom/preseed/server.seed  file on the live cd ?
[04:56] <Vaske_Car> it work with Mozilla
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> method|: what kind of drive is it? ide?
[04:56] <Vaske_Car> but not with Konquerror
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Vaske_Car: look at the plug ins section, you need to get Knoqui to search for it
[04:57] <method|> LeeJunFan: sata
[04:57] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:57] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: after it's installed, go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins and click on Search for new plugins, then click ok once it's done
[04:57] <ubuntu> anyone know the command to install base-files package on a clean partition ?
[04:58] <ubuntu> am i in the wrong channel ?
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> method|: it should be recognized as /dev/sda,b,c etc...
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: debootstrap?
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> !debootstrap
[04:59] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In component main, is extra. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 248 kB
[04:59] <ubuntu> must not be on the live CD LeeJunFan
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> method|: fdisk -l /dev/sdb if it's the second sata drive in your system will list the existing partitions on it.
[05:00] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, Sorry but I do not see Plugis section in "Configure Konqueror" ????
[05:00] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: "Plugins" in the list of options at the left side
[05:01] <method|> LeeJunFan: fdisk -l /dev/sdb doesnt return anything
[05:01] <Jucato> Behavior, Appearance, Previews & Meta-data, etc... it's near the bottom
[05:01] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: debootstrap ?   more ?
[05:01] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, it is not in there
[05:01] <TFrog> robotgeek, you still around?
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> ubu
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: you should be able to install debootstrap on the live cd.
[05:02] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: are you in the Configure Konqueror window? the one with Behavior, Appearance, Previews, File Associations at the left side?
[05:02] <Vaske_Car> yes
[05:02] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: ok now what do you do with it ?
[05:02] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: scroll down through the list
[05:02] <xnp> robotgeek: well rebooted again but no luck getting my usplash back or get any info at boot time regarding severices starting etc etc
[05:02] <Jucato> the list of options at the left side, it goes waaay down
[05:03] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, it is not in the list
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> method|: maybe ls -l /dev/sd* should list your available disk's and partitions.
[05:03] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: what is last one in the list?
[05:03] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, performance
[05:03] <Jucato> and above it?
[05:04] <Vaske_Car> Browser identification
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: what exactly do you want to install? debootstrap IS very minimal, you can build a working bootable system from it, but by itself it will not install a bootloader or kernel.
[05:04] <Jucato> wha?
[05:04] <phillijw> Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[05:04] <phillijw> ha i love it.... stupid comp
[05:04] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, this is Konqueror 3.5.5
[05:04] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: so is mine
[05:04] <Jucato> you have a missing part... it should be "Browser Identification" , "Plugins" then "Performance"
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> phillijw: what if you do 'sudo mount -oremount,rw /' ? That should remount / as rw.
[05:05] <Jucato> ok this is weird..
[05:05] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: booting is covered.   i just need to install base-files and dpkg  i think.  maybe bash and libc6  not sure   any way then i can handel the rest.
[05:05] <Jucato> ubuntu: what are you trying to do, btw?
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: maybe Vaske_Car should re-install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:05] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: maybe, I'm not entirely sure though
[05:05] <Vaske_Car> I can try reinstall Konqueror?
[05:05] <ubuntu> Jucato: install from the livecd  but non-graphic   X wont run
[05:06] <Jucato> ubuntu: unfortunately, you can't install from the Live CD without X
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu
[05:06] <Jucato> ubuntu: have you tried the Safe Graphics mode in the live cd?
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> d!@#!@ completion. hehe
[05:06] <ubuntu> Jucato: that's ok,  i'm going to.
[05:06] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: try to check if konqueror-nsplugins is installed
[05:06] <_kuja_> to reinstall kubuntu-desktop: sudo apt-get install --reinstall acpi acpi-support acpid adept akregator amarok anacron ark arts avahi-daemon bc bogofilter cdparanoia cdrdao cdrecord cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gutenprint dbus dc digikam diveintopython doc-base dvd+rw-tools foo2zjs foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters fortune-mod gdb gs-esp gtk2-engines-gtk-qt gwenview hal hotkey-setup hwdb-client-kde
[05:07] <_kuja_>  katapult kate kaudiocreator kcontrol kcron kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager kde-systemsettings kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase-kio-plugins kdebluetooth kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdm kdnssd keep kfind kghostview khelpcenter kicker kio-apt kio-locate kipi-plugins klipper kmail kmai
[05:07] <_kuja_> ugins knetworkconf knotes konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kontact konversation kooka kopete korganizer kpdf kpf kppp krdc krfb krita kscd ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksplash-engine-moodin ksvg ksysguard ksystemlog ktorrent kubuntu-artwork-usplash kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-docs kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts kwalletmanager kwin landscape-client language-selector-qt lftp libarts1-akode libgl1-mesa-glx libglut3 libnss-mdns lib
[05:07] <_kuja_> 12xxw mkisofs pmount pnm2ppa powermanagement-interface qca-tls readahead screen slocate smbclient speedcrunch ttf-bitstream-vera ttf-dejavu ttf-freefont unzip usplash vorbis-tools wlassistant wvdial x-ttcidfont-conf xkeyboard-config xorg xterm zip
[05:07] <_kuja_> since it was mentioned
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: debootstrap edgy [target path]  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/
[05:07] <Jucato> !pastebin | _kuja_
[05:07] <ubotu> _kuja_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:07] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: why are you recommending deboostrap?
[05:07] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: k  ty.
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: he just asked how to install a base system.
[05:08] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: you didn't ask why... "<ubuntu> Jucato: install from the livecd  but non-graphic   X wont run"
[05:08] <_kuja_> Why not use the alternate cd and do a text-only install in that case?
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: you will have to apt-get install grub and a kernel image after you chroot to the debootstrap path.
[05:09] <Jucato> _kuja_: true. presuming he could download another iso.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> That would be the best method for that.
[05:09] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, sudo apt-get install konqueror-nsplugins did the trick
[05:09] <ubuntu> yeah   booting is covered.
[05:09] <ubuntu> <--- intelikey
[05:09] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: ok good.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: yeah, I asked, I got a different answer than when you did :)
[05:09] <ubuntu> _kuja_: dialup
[05:10] <Jucato> ubuntu: you're intelikey?
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> Isn't text only install an option even on liveCD?
[05:10] <_kuja_> I'm not sure
[05:10] <ubuntu> only on days that end with y
[05:10] <_kuja_> I doubt it
[05:10] <Jucato> lol
[05:10] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, now where do I find flash plugin in my system, what is the path?
[05:11] <scott> if I want to install wine...how do I get it?
[05:11] <_kuja_> Everything regarding the installation and packages and the like for the live cd is packed into a squashfs, to allow it to run as a livecd, or something like that.
[05:11] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: if you installed flashplugin-nonfree, you don't need the path. just click on Scan for new plugins and it will autodetect it
[05:11] <Hawkwind> !wine
[05:11] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:11] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: nope   "isn't text only...."
[05:11] <Hawkwind> scott: If you want the latest, you need a different repo
[05:11] <Hawkwind> scott: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[05:11] <Jucato> ubuntu: there is no text only install method on the Desktop CD
[05:12] <Hawkwind> scott: Add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list if you want the latest version. Change dapper to edgy if you use edgy of course
[05:12] <_kuja_> As per debootstrapping your install using the livecd, it will still require downloading all of the base packages.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> !backup
[05:12] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !cloning
[05:12] <scott> last question....how do I set up the repository?
[05:12] <ubuntu> Jucato: i'm not looking for a method  :)
[05:12] <Jucato> !repository | scott
[05:12] <ubotu> scott: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: yes, _kuja_ is right, debootstrap will still require re-downloading everything.
[05:12] <Jucato> heh Hawkwind :P
[05:13] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, No plugin found "shochware flash media"
[05:13] <ubuntu> Jucato: i may be reinventing the wheel but i'm going to do this.
[05:13] <Vaske_Car> Shochwave*
[05:13] <Vaske_Car> Shockwave*
[05:13] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: no i have the packages.
[05:13] <Jucato> ubuntu: I mean that you can't install from the command line using the Desktop CD
[05:13] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: the flashplugin doesn't handle shockwave, afaik
[05:13] <Jucato> !flash | Vaske_Car
[05:13] <ubotu> Vaske_Car: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:13] <ubuntu> Jucato: watch me  :)
[05:13] <Vaske_Car> :(
[05:14] <Jucato> ubuntu: do as you please. there are no debs on the Desktop CD. you'll have to download them from the internet
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: yes, but debootstrap needs a mirror to download from. I don't think it will work with a CD repositry, maybe it will as a file:// path.
[05:14] <_kuja_> ubuntu, can you boot the livecd at all? if not, maybe you could get someone to send you a copy of the alternatecd or the dvd.
[05:14] <TFrog> guess robotgeek is watching the ball game or went to bed
[05:14] <ubuntu> Jucato: i have the packages.
[05:14] <Vaske_Car> Jucato, the thing is that it work with Firefox so probably it is already installed, all I need is path to that installation.. ???
[05:14] <ubuntu> read my lips  (text as case may be)   i'm going to do this.
[05:14] <_kuja_> debootstrap will work with a cd repository, however, the livecd doesn't have one, the alternate cd does though.
[05:15] <Jucato> Vaske_Car: hm... which plugin in did you actually install? flashplugin-nonfree
[05:15] <Vaske_Car> I have latest one
[05:15] <Vaske_Car> of that
[05:15] <Jucato> ah.. that I wouldn't know
[05:15] <Jucato> ubuntu: two words: "good luck" or "have fun"
[05:16] <ubuntu> k thanks for all the discurragement guys,   and the sujestions too ?
[05:16] <ubuntu> :)
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: how/where do you have the pacakages?
[05:16] <TFrog> Vaske_Car, there is no shockwave plugin for linux. they are currently working on a new flash/shockwave player for linux. the second beta is out for flash/shockwave 9 in linux. might be the way to go
[05:16] <_kuja_> ubuntu, you can, it's just going to take a _LONG_ time over dialup.
[05:16] <robotgeek> TFrog: was on phone
[05:16] <Jucato> I'm not discouraging anyone. I'm saying "good luck" as I know nothing about debootstrap
[05:17] <TFrog> robotgeek, that linux-restricted was it. the desktop is wireless right now
[05:17] <TFrog> ty very much
[05:17] <Jucato> ubuntu: as for your original question: ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal installs a base system without X
[05:17] <robotgeek> TFrog: awesome. enjoy!
[05:17] <ubuntu> _kuja_: i don't think so.  i have all the .deb's on an hd  i'll mount on /var/cache/apt/archives    or any other address needed so they will appear as already dl'd
[05:18] <ubuntu> Jucato: ubuntu-base is another possable meta package
[05:18] <TFrog> i will. got some other bugs to take care of but for that old system it's great to have 1500 fps out of the old Radeon 7000 card. now to work on firefox and ipv6 issues that slow speed in it
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> I've used debootstrap to build a minimal system for an access point I built based on dapper which boots from cflash. Once you have the base system installed you chroot to it, and do what you need to build the rest of the system, I guess from there you could just install kubuntu-desktop.
[05:18] <Jucato> ubuntu: except there isn't any ubuntu-base package
[05:18] <ubuntu> but it's really just base-files  that i'm having trubble with   it makes the origenal tree
[05:18] <poolkey172> Hi guys and gals
[05:18] <Vaske_Car> TFrog, I think that I already installed that shockwave 9 and it made my Firefox working
[05:19] <ubuntu> Jucato: is in dapper
[05:19] <Jucato> ok. you didn't specifiy
[05:19] <_kuja_> I've done full installs using debootstrap before ... felt like playing with fakeraid a few months back
[05:19] <ubuntu> !ubuntu-base
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-base - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <poolkey172> was wondering if someone could help with an edgy install ?
[05:19] <ubuntu> !find ubuntu-base
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> debootstrap will install ubuntu-minimal, which is your base system.
[05:19] <ubotu> Package/file ubuntu-base does not exist in edgy
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> !ubuntu-minimal
[05:19] <ubotu> ubuntu-minimal: Minimal core of Ubuntu. In component main, is important. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[05:19] <poolkey172> apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-38 ZZZZZZZZZZZZ Hey this is my problem too
[05:20] <TFrog> hmmmmmmm. i got the 9 beta 1 on this laptop with only a few issues. got the desktop loaded with 9 beta 2 and still the same issues with flash menus showing under flash advertisements
[05:20] <TFrog> otherwise, i can watch movie trailers in linux very nicely now
[05:20] <poolkey172> hello can anyone help ?
[05:21] <TFrog> just ask your question poolkey172
[05:21] <_kuja_> probably
[05:21] <poolkey172> In edgy I cant do this : apt-get install ubuntu-base linux-386 ubuntu-desktop dmraid grub
[05:21] <_kuja_> why not, what does it say?
[05:21] <poolkey172> I am trying to install on a SATA raid
[05:21] <poolkey172> it says ubuntu-base not found
[05:22] <_kuja_> skip ubuntu-base then
[05:22] <poolkey172> so I changed this to base
[05:22] <Jucato> poolkey172: there is no ubuntu-base on Edgy
[05:22] <scott> is vmware in the repository?
[05:22] <_kuja_> the player yes, the server, no
[05:22] <scott> what is it under in the repository?
[05:22] <poolkey172> jucato what should I use as its replacement or does ubuntu-desktop resolve dependencies and install a base ?
[05:22] <scott> the player?
[05:23] <_kuja_> I think it's vmware-player in multiverse
[05:23] <Jucato> poolkey172: ubuntu-desktop installs everything that's on a default Ubuntu installation
[05:23] <Jucato> !vmware-player | scott
[05:23] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (edgy), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[05:23] <poolkey172> Jucato understood
[05:23] <Jucato> poolkey172: kubuntu-desktop does the same for Kubuntu
[05:24] <poolkey172> I just hope I can boot the sucka : I have no idea where to install grub or lilo
[05:24] <poolkey172> SHESH
[05:24] <_kuja_> poolkey172: note, you may want the linux-generic kernel rather than the linux-386 kernel
[05:24] <nvman90> use apt-cache search vmware to find out
[05:24] <poolkey172> thanks Jucato :( I wanted kubuntu-desktop :(
[05:24] <poolkey172> Oh well too late now
[05:24] <robotgeek> poolkey172: no its not :)
[05:24] <_kuja_> It's never too late :)
[05:25] <bxnp> robotgeek: did you had any other ideas for my little usplash problem
[05:25] <poolkey172> Hmmmm : install kde afterwards then ?
[05:25] <robotgeek> poolkey172: ctrl + c
[05:25] <poolkey172> LOLllllllllllllllll robotgeek
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: you will also want to look at dpkg-scanpackages to create Packages indexes.
[05:25] <poolkey172> LOLllllllllllllllll robotgeek : NOooooooooo I am installing over the net it takes ages
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: you basically make your own repository that way.
[05:25] <_kuja_> and optionally pookey172, you can remove the gnome stuff afterwards too.
[05:26] <robotgeek> bxnp: did you run that 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image stuff again?
[05:26] <poolkey172> yeh thats what I gonna do kuja
[05:26] <poolkey172> PS Shall I create a grub floppy ?
[05:26] <robotgeek> poolkey172: no need, if you ask me. you have a live cd/rescue disk anyways
[05:27] <bxnp> yes i did robotgeek and then rebooted
[05:27] <bxnp> but no luck
[05:27] <poolkey172> even though I might get it installed : I might be unable to boot into ubuntu
[05:27] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: k ty
[05:27] <_kuja_> unable to boot? that wouldn't be good
[05:27] <ubuntu> looking
[05:27] <poolkey172> robotgeek : livecd wont be able to load my ubuntu instance : its on a SATA RAID
[05:28] <robotgeek> bxnp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto#head-3f1a5b3bcea03e357b466d0f04f41bfe01d1f8bc
[05:28] <_kuja_> Not true
[05:28] <poolkey172> Anyone know how to install ubuntu EASILY onto a SATA Raid without all this faffing arund ?
[05:28] <_kuja_> I've mounted a fakeraid using the livecd before
[05:28] <poolkey172> kuja how ?
[05:28] <_kuja_> I've even done it with a badly corrupted fakeraid (that was a ride)
[05:29] <Pupeno> How do I edit a note in OpenOffice ? currently it looks like small (vertical) yellow rectangle ?
[05:29] <_kuja_> You install dmraid from universe
[05:29] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: know if there is an equlivent in dpkg ?
[05:29] <poolkey172> kuja : I'm talking about a fresh install on a RAID
[05:29] <robotgeek> Pupeno: you type in it?
[05:29] <_kuja_> I know poolkey172, I know
[05:29] <poolkey172> kuja done it got the tea shirt : u can mount but u cant install
[05:29] <poolkey172> ubiqity doesnt like it
[05:30] <poolkey172> so I am manually installing the base / dev  and packages
[05:30] <poolkey172> its LONG winded
[05:30] <_kuja_> Yeah, you have to do the whole setup manually, or rather, using debootstrap
[05:30] <_kuja_> Then make various changes.
[05:30] <poolkey172> yeh thats what I am doing
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: whaddya mean? dpkg-scanpackages is part of dpkg-dev package.
[05:30] <robotgeek> bxnp: this also has a list of issues: http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-upgrade-common-problems-with-solutions.html
[05:31] <ubuntu> which isnt on the cd
[05:31] <ubuntu> i can get it tho
[05:31] <bxnp> oke let me look
[05:31] <poolkey172> next problem will be how to boot it
[05:31] <_kuja_> It shouldn't give you any trouble if you do everything right.
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: well, you won't need it if your idea of mounting /var/cache/apt works.
[05:31] <poolkey172> Hmmmmm
[05:32] <_kuja_> You're using the fakeraidhowto from the wiki I presume?
[05:32] <poolkey172> kuja its a bit tricky as I have 2 raids both raid0
[05:32] <poolkey172> on seperate cards
[05:32] <_kuja_> Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:32] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: true
[05:32] <poolkey172> I think I will create a boot floppy first to test the install
[05:33] <_kuja_> Sounds like a plan
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: well, good luck. I'm off to bed. I know it can be done, it'll be a good learning experience if nothing else :)
[05:33] <poolkey172> then try to boot the install by copying boot.sector over to windows
[05:33] <poolkey172> it might work
[05:34] <poolkey172> Its been a long time since I tried this kinda cr&p last time I did something like this to boot from a firewire drive
[05:34] <ubuntu> LeeJunFan: k later.  thanks for the input
[05:35] <poolkey172> lol hell I aint a windows man : Its there to keep the wife happy
[05:35] <poolkey172> OK guys my install is done
[05:35] <poolkey172> now to test it
[05:35] <poolkey172> brb
[05:35] <_kuja_> lol
[05:36] <_kuja_> poolkey172.... I gave up on it after my raid0 setup mysteriously corrupted, and I lost about 1/3 of my stuff
[05:36] <scott> I pulled wine off the repository...how do I get it to run?
[05:37] <poolkey172> Hmmm back
[05:37] <campbch> !botsnack
[05:37] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:37] <poolkey172> its unpacking n installing...
[05:37] <ubuntu> scott: wine /path/to/file.exe
[05:37] <mario> hola a todos
[05:38] <campbch> anyone know where the configuration files or log are stored in the eclipse package? nothing apparent is listed as a configuration file in adept...
[05:38] <campbch> and it won't acknowledge an error
[05:38] <poolkey172> camp ~/.eclipse
[05:39] <scott> I configured wine successfully...now how do I excute it?
[05:39] <campbch> thats what i thought, theyre not there
[05:39] <poolkey172> camp what id are are u running eclipse under ?
[05:40] <campbch> under campbch
[05:40] <campbch> it runs if i kdesu, since it changes to root
[05:40] <poolkey172> camp: Is the eclipse u got the official package or one u downloaded dirrectly from eclipse.org
[05:40] <campbch> its the adept package
[05:40] <scott> once wine has been configured...how do I execute it?
[05:41] <poolkey172> camp have u tried in your workspace ?
[05:41] <campbch> it says theres a problem with the preference change listener
[05:41] <_kuja_> scott, wine from the konsole will work
[05:41] <campbch> yes, theres only one file named metadata
[05:41] <campbch> you dont run wine by itself, scott, you run it as an opener for exe files...
[05:41] <campbch> IE wine install.exe
[05:41] <poolkey172> so u telling me u;ve not run eclipse properly ?
[05:41] <scott> so....from the konsole...wha command do I have to use?
[05:42] <campbch> no, it worked before, but i selected "use this workspace as default" when it started and it wigged out on me
[05:42] <naught101> what is ahavi daemon, and does it need to be running?
[05:42] <campbch> depends
[05:42] <_kuja_> scott, wine [file]
[05:42] <campbch> what are you trying to run?
[05:42] <naught101> !ahavi
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ahavi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <poolkey172> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGgggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:43] <_kuja_> poolkey172, something go awry?
[05:43] <campbch> scott, for example, in games it would be wine /media/cdrom0/install.exe. if its a small program, try wine notepad.exe or wine solitaire.exe
[05:43] <poolkey172> Processing was halted due to too many errors : Sub-processes dkpg returned an error code (1)
[05:43] <poolkey172> ^%$^$%$% ubuntu
[05:44] <_kuja_> Ouch?
[05:44] <scott> so...wine is used to open and execute the program...is it best to use the program off a cd?
[05:44] <poolkey172> Yeh it hurt
[05:44] <campbch> not unless its an install cd
[05:44] <poolkey172> :(
[05:44] <campbch> i doubt the error code says derogatory things about the distro :P
[05:45] <poolkey172> Think I should give up
[05:45] <poolkey172> lol@camp
[05:45] <poolkey172> suse and fedora can install to a RAID why cant ubuntu ?
[05:45] <Admiral_Chicago> poolkey172: i assume you are using an alternite Cd
[05:46] <poolkey172> it makes no difference Admiral
[05:46] <poolkey172> I tried both
[05:46] <poolkey172> are there any params I can pass to the kernel / installer whilst booting the live or alt cd ?
[05:47] <_kuja_> Because things like installing to a RAID, or installing to an encrypted volume are being deferred in favor of other "more important" things like eyecandy?
[05:47] <poolkey172> so that it can see my raid ?
[05:47] <poolkey172> lol@kuja
[05:47] <poolkey172> kuja u seen koorraa liveCD now thats eye candy
[05:47] <campbch> :( still cant find any configuration files\
[05:47] <poolkey172> xgl on a livecd
[05:48] <poolkey172> oh sorry camp : just had a disaster here
[05:48] <campbch> tis np :(
[05:48] <ubuntu> ok i think i'm ready for a reboot to the hd....   luck me wish
[05:48] <campbch> gl ubu
[05:48] <poolkey172> camp : cut a long sorry short how about doing a find / -iname "*.*eclipse*"
[05:49] <poolkey172> lol shoot me for that recommendation
[05:49] <campbch> ?
[05:49] <poolkey172> lol
[05:49] <poolkey172> well camp it'll search the whole of your filesystem
[05:49] <campbch> should i shoot myself for listening? i did it, it didnt do anything
[05:49] <campbch> but i did try searching using the gui search tool
[05:49] <_kuja_> Yes you may
[05:50] <_kuja_> locate eclipse | grep log
[05:50] <poolkey172> ok serious mode
[05:51] <poolkey172> camp
[05:51] <poolkey172> camp : within ure file explorer or whatever its called in ubuntu : can u show all hidden files ?
[05:52] <scott> so lets say I install a program using wine or vmware...how do I know where it is...and how to run it?
[05:52] <poolkey172> or stick this into firefox : file;///home/campbch/.eclipse/
[05:53] <_kuja_> If you configure wine with the sident script, it'll give you a wine section in your menu for running programs you installed with wine
[05:53] <campbch> ok, i found the log but it doesnt say anything :( and they didnt say much about what it was supposed to be called
[05:53] <scott> can you tell me how to do that kuja?
[05:54] <campbch> it did that for me by default, i think
[05:55] <campbch> it should be K>Wine>Programname
[05:55] <_kuja_> Oh? Are you sure about that?
[05:55] <campbch> :P same version he said he installed
[05:55] <poolkey172> Is Ubuntu the best for packages ?
[05:55] <_kuja_> define best
[05:55] <campbch> perhaps it was the installer that did it? i tried installing Call of Duty
[05:55] <poolkey172> latest releases : widest number of packages available
[05:56] <campbch> try to define anything :P everything is a tradeoff for everything else
[05:56] <poolkey172> camp u sure ~/.eclipse/ doesnt exist ?
[05:57] <campbch> i didnt say it didnt exist
[05:57] <_kuja_> The only reason I use kubuntu as opposed to debian is the wider selection of packages in the main repositories
[05:57] <campbch> i said i couldnt find config files
[05:57] <poolkey172> Anyone have an answer as I have only been using kubuntu now for a few weeks
[05:57] <poolkey172> kuja thats the reason why I'm using it too
[05:58] <Admiral_Chicago> poolkey172: to the packages question, yes i'd say it is
[05:58] <poolkey172> camp: thats crazy if .eclipse doesnt exist how will know where ure defalt workspace is
[05:59] <campbch> i just said it existed
[05:59] <_kuja_> poolkey172, kubuntu also tends to be on top of things when it comes to new releases of big things, ie, kde
[05:59] <poolkey172> kuja I use fluxbox with a kde kicker
[05:59] <_kuja_> neato, I like my kwin
[05:59] <campbch> and im where i think they put config files, but nothing pertains tot he detault workspace
[06:01] <_kuja_> And when I said on top of...... I meant same day, maybe next day the packages would be up.  As for other things, typically the newest stable is used for everything on release, or at least close to.
[06:01] <intelikey> and they said it couldn't be done....
[06:01] <campbch> well, it says plugins though :*(
[06:01] <poolkey172> camp : have u got firefox ?
[06:01] <campbch> yes
[06:01] <intelikey> i still have some stuff to install but i'm on the hd now.
[06:02] <poolkey172> camp what happens when u open this url ? file:///home/campbch/.eclipse/
[06:03] <campbch> i would imagine it opening that folder?
[06:03] <poolkey172> yup
[06:03] <campbch> im opening it now
[06:03] <poolkey172> does it ?
[06:03] <metres> hi all,having booting problem... I got a busybox error, cant access tty; jobcontrol turned off and I'm linked to initramfs...
[06:03] <campbch> i can get to the folder in konqueror
[06:04] <poolkey172> camp : as I was saying turn the option on to show hidden files
[06:04] <intelikey> metres job control is not avalable in the initramfs
[06:04] <campbch> O.O
[06:04] <campbch> i think i found it
[06:04] <metres> I'm also unable to mount this drive...
[06:04] <intelikey> metres what drive ?
[06:04] <poolkey172> nice 1 camp
[06:04] <_kuja_> metres.... sounds like an upgrade gone bad. Am I right?
[06:05] <metres> my Kubuntu drive (sda1)
[06:05] <intelikey> metres ls -l /dev
[06:05] <metres> kuja : try to install win XP and gag..:(
[06:05] <intelikey> should be three devices  no?
[06:05] <poolkey172> dont diss windows : windows rox
[06:05] <campbch> it cut the last part off, so when i checked for hidden files 4 directories deep it didnt show anything, ie the name of the folder
[06:06] <intelikey> metres show me the 'root' device
[06:06] <metres> like blkid ?
[06:07] <metres> /dev/sda1: UUID="8a1a79cb-23a4-4803-a878-299b24396e71" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[06:07] <metres> /dev/hda1: TYPE="ntfs"
[06:07] <metres> /dev/hda2: UUID="fde1e472-1f8d-4167-8ab4-3fd83a624771" TYPE="reiserfs"
[06:07] <metres> /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" UUID="b4c14d94-72d2-438e-b7b3-a6c2b4bacaa6"
[06:07] <poolkey172> kuja : the power switch looks more appealing at the moment : and whoever recommended apt-get install kubuntu-desktop THANKYOU
[06:07] <phillijw> nice paste
[06:07] <intelikey> metres in that initramfs busybox shell
[06:07] <robotgeek> metres: dont paste (http://rafb.net/paste)
[06:07] <metres> sorry
[06:09] <phillijw> how can I see what browser someone is using
[06:09] <campbch> ok, it still calls an error :(
[06:09] <phillijw> and their IP
[06:09] <campbch> m just going to reinstall
[06:09] <phillijw> blah, sorry wrong chan
[06:11] <intelikey> metres to make sure the device node is correct   ls -l   should be  major 8 minor 1  == sda1     if so modprobe ext3    modprobe sata-promise   (i think)   assuming that's sata not usb or scsi       and mount /dev/root /root   exit
[06:11] <poolkey172> :)
[06:12] <intelikey> if you want to see if you can boot that thing from it's initramfs error out.
[06:12] <campbch> is it possible to use adept to repair a package? replace all files in the package with known good files?
[06:12] <intelikey> poolkey172 i got a clean dapper base.
[06:13] <poolkey172> itelikey what do u mean ?
[06:13] <metres> http://rafb.net/paste/results/UWaX0J94.html
[06:13] <intelikey> poolkey172 i was  ubuntu  just a while ago.   same install attempts....
[06:14] <poolkey172> oh ic intelikey
[06:14] <poolkey172> intelikey I take it ure up n running on RAID now then ?
[06:14] <metres> I'm now running under freespire... so ls -l aint give me info intelikey
[06:15] <intelikey> poolkey172 not raid but yes.  partitionless
[06:15] <poolkey172> nice 1 intelikey
[06:16] <poolkey172> any tips or do I have to do it the hardway by building from scratch ?
[06:16] <poolkey172> Anyway I am very close now : at least I can see the raid / mount it etc etc
[06:16] <intelikey> i scratched.   but having a totally hosed install on another disk that i could fetch from if needed helped a lot.
[06:17] <metres> when I try to mount my kubuntu drive under freespire, it says wrong fs type and EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted !
[06:17] <poolkey172> INTELLIKEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:17] <poolkey172> YOU'VE given me a spanking idea
[06:17] <_kuja_> ewww, corruption is evil
[06:17] <poolkey172> I'm gonna rsync this install onto the RAID
[06:18] <intelikey> :)
[06:18] <poolkey172> should be job done
[06:18] <intelikey> should be.
[06:19] <intelikey> ok i have some more installing to do and lots of configuring.   later all.
[06:19] <poolkey172> well i have a nice rsync to backup this laptop and when I corrupted it during a 6.06 -> 6.10 install I simply rsynced down in single user mode and got my system back
[06:19] <poolkey172> later inteli thanks fpr the hint
[06:19] <metres> howto rsynced poolkey ?
[06:20] <poolkey172> man rsync ?
[06:21] <poolkey172> gets rsync script
[06:22] <max_> does anyone else have the problem of FF2 closing randomly and very often
[06:22] <poolkey172> /usr/bin/rsync -vrtDRpol -e '/usr/bin/ssh' --delete-excluded --timeout=0 /home r
[06:22] <poolkey172> oot@<IP_ADDRESS>:/disk2/data_store/vaio
[06:22] <poolkey172> etc
[06:22] <poolkey172> max no firefox rox for me
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> max_: not I
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> you may want to check /va/crash
[06:24] <max_> maybe if i slap it around a little
[06:24] <poolkey172> Admiral whats /var/crash ?
[06:25] <max_> ya
[06:25] <max_> i dont see it either
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> max_: it's a system file and may contain a crash report
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, extensions /  themes?
[06:26] <max_> wheres it at
[06:26] <poolkey172> hey one interesting question I have is that if I strace -p any x app like firefox : the whole of X freezes anyone had this problem ?
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> max_: in konqueror, address bar, /var
[06:27] <max_> where from there
[06:27] <Admiral_Chicago> do you see a crash folder?
[06:27] <max_> there isnt a folder called crash
[06:29] <Admiral_Chicago> max_: so firefox didn't create a clash log
[06:29] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, do you have any extensions / themes installed?
[06:31] <metres> ext3 == recovery => sudo e2fsck -f -y /dev/sda1  Thanks to CEP !!
[06:32] <metres> so long :)
[06:47] <phillijw> sweet. I'm taking an operating systems class and half of it is just learning about unix system calls, unix process creation, pipes, child processes and signal handling
[06:52] <Hawkwind> jdiwnab: Please turn off your public away messages
[07:00] <xsacha> Emess: you there?
[07:04] <jules_> Hi Mike
[07:05] <jules_> Does anyone have the problem where Kubuntu 6.10 wont switch off after boot down?
[07:15] <jules_>  Does anyone have the problem where Kubuntu 6.10 wont switch off after boot down?
[07:30] <XVampireX> Is anyone here alive to help me help someone?
[07:32] <Hawkwind> Just ask your question
[07:32] <Parkotron> What's your problem?
[07:37] <XVampireX> Oh
[07:37] <XVampireX> Trying to help someone automount ntfs
[07:38] <XVampireX> this line in /etc/fstab doesn't work: /dev/hdb1    /media/windows    ntfs-3g    defaults,locale=en_US.utf8    0    0
[07:38] <XVampireX> mounting manually through this works: sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs-3g -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[07:38] <Hawkwind> !ntfs | XVampireX
[07:38] <ubotu> XVampireX: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[07:39] <Hawkwind> We really don't support the use of ntfs-3g though since it will do nothing but destroy your data basically
[07:44] <XVampireX> Hawkwind: Thanks, now he's gonna mount it via ntfs driver and copy it to his home folder :)
[07:56] <omarpb84> hellou nikkiana, are you there?
[08:04] <Gh0st75> hi folks, had to load vista to get into this room, anyone know how to get konversation to connect in kubuntu behind a d-lik di-624 router?
[08:05] <unix_infidel> if i have two dimms and one with a lower cas latency than the other, will the system use the slower timings?
[08:13] <omarpb84> how can I get more servers?
[08:13] <bxnp> so
[08:13] <bxnp> i must say i stayed with linux
[08:13] <bxnp> and edgy is so f u 3 king fast
[08:14] <omarpb84> the konversation client of kubuntu only has this server
[08:14] <bxnp> well this is the only one you need
[08:15] <omarpb84> jajaja, how do you know that?
[08:17] <bxnp> i don't
[08:17] <bxnp> but you can add more
[08:17] <bulwynkl> right... time for a stupid question - before I make a stupid mistake... it's about email...
[08:18] <bulwynkl> I have a single machine at home, dual boot winXP and kubuntu 6.10
[08:18] <bulwynkl> I have email from multiple sources, including archival that I want to have logically ordered.
[08:18] <bulwynkl> I have other users on the boxen.
[08:19] <bulwynkl> Other users sometimes share email accounts, sometimes have tehir own...
[08:20] <bulwynkl> any suggestions as to a logical setup for my email?  wondering about fetchmail then postfix (being standard ubuntu) or Courier MTA and set up as local IMAP server.
[08:20] <bulwynkl> postfix alone does not seem right - it seems to want to serve all of my ISP email :-/
[08:22] <bulwynkl> At teh moment I have opera/netscape-esque/eudora email archives and currently using t-bird - until someone tells me what to do, and how to do it right :-)
[08:34] <chimaera> good morning. i have a fresh install of kubuntu here and konqi is running awfully slow. when enering a webpage it takes ages to load, whereas firefox displays the site in no time. any ideas?
[08:36] <fek> moin
[08:36] <defrysk> chimaera, I think firefox displays what it gets right away , konq waits till it has all in
[08:37] <chimaera> strange. if i call a page with lots of images, then ff is finished while konqui still doesnt' seem to load some of them.
[08:38] <chimaera> s/doesn't/does/
[08:40] <nashaw> can any one help me with a performance problem on kubuntu?
[08:40] <chimaera> just ask..
[08:40] <bulwynkl> no help?
[08:41] <bulwynkl> oh well
[08:41] <defrysk> chimaera, could also be some ipv6 issues in konq ?
[08:42] <nashaw> well, every thing is running slower then i should. i gotta amd x2 4200, 2 gigs of ram and an ati radeon x1600 with the right diver (i think) and every then is running slow and i can't figure out why..
[08:42] <chimaera> defrysk: well, ipv6 & konqi rings a bell.
[08:43] <defrysk> chimaera, if you like konq you might like opera better
[08:44] <chimaera> defrysk: i'm using konqui for about five years now. i quite like it. thanks ;)
[08:45] <chimaera> dropback in case of wrong display of sites is FF. never needed more ;)
[08:47] <chimaera> brb
[08:51] <Alzi2> Hello. I'd like two switch completely to KDE but I have all sorts of important files on my PC......... how to switch to KDE completely?
[08:51] <chimaera> re. disabling ipv6 seems to halp a bit.
[08:52] <chimaera> Alzi2: well what exactly do you mean? how to preserve your files?
[08:52] <Alzi2> Well.. I want to rid the computer of all things GNOME, and get on with KDE while preserving my files
[08:52] <vge> Alzi2: copy all mandaroty files to seperate partition, then delete all rest, install KDE and copy the files back?
[08:52] <Alzi2> does that mean a reinstall/iso burn?
[08:53] <vge> Alzi2: ahh, then my instructions were wrong :)
[08:53] <Alzi2> :P
[08:53] <chimaera> err, just install kde and remove gnome.
[08:53] <Alzi2> chimaera: Well, then the programs keep being there.
[08:53] <naught101> Alzi2: install kde + kdm
[08:53] <Alzi2> Shall I install kubuntu-desktop or kde?
[08:54] <chimaera> no, they don't. you just have to remove the programmes themselves, not teh meta-packages (like ubuntu-desktop)
[08:55] <Alzi2> chimaera: Yeah, but how to find out what the names of those are?
[08:56] <akrus> hello :)
[08:56] <chimaera> well, for starters you can remove gtk. but that may remove other apps you still want to use. or remove the gnome-libs. it'S a bit of a pain in the ass..
[08:56] <akrus> I have a problem compiling ATI driver under kubuntu edgy
[08:56] <akrus> dpkg: /usr/i486-linux-gnu/lib/libpthread.so.0 not found. <-- error happens for many libs~
[08:56] <keith> hi! I'm trying to sync my Nokia 9500 with KDE. Can anybody help?
[08:56] <nashaw> if i have ide=nodma as a startup option in grub does it effect performance?
[08:57] <Alzi2> chimaera: Yeah, I once tried doing that... wanted to install almost whole Ubuntu
[08:57] <Alzi2> uninstall*
[08:57] <chimaera> that's actuall what aou want to to, remember? remove ubuntu and install kubuntu ^^
[08:58] <Alzi2> yeah, okay, i'll try =)
[08:59] <chimaera> keep in mind that kubuntu also uses a slightly different framework for things to work, so lots of things are not needed for kubuntu. if anything fails, backup your home and other personal data and do a fresh install.
[08:59] <Alzi2> aptitude doesn't want to remove libgtk2.0-0 :(
[09:00] <chimaera> i would first install kubuntu-desktop to get another fully working enbironment
[09:01] <chimaera> nashaw: if it disables DMA. i don't know wether the kubuntu-init-skripts enable it again using hdparm..
[09:03] <akrus> could someone help with ati driver anyway? :)
[09:03] <chimaera> somebody knows how to make mouse-DPI changes within kcontrol permanent?
[09:03] <chimaera> akrus: what exactly is the problem?
[09:03] <akrus> it does not compile, at all
[09:03] <akrus> dpkg: /usr/i486-linux-gnu/lib/libpthread.so.0 not found.
[09:03] <akrus> dpkg: /usr/i486-linux-gnu/lib/libstdc++.so.5 not found.
[09:04] <Alzi2> akrus: sudo apt-get install fglrx or something
[09:04] <akrus> getting these error messages
[09:04] <Alzi2> akrus: don't compile that driver
[09:04] <akrus> I need the one from the website :)
[09:04] <chimaera> akrus: libc6-dev missing
[09:04] <akrus> o_O
[09:04] <akrus> hm
[09:04] <akrus> You already have libc6-dev installed.
[09:04] <akrus> Alzi2: why not?
[09:05] <Alzi2> akrus: Unstable-ness. Ubuntu has binary packages for a reason. :P
[09:05] <chimaera> ;)
[09:05] <akrus> :(
[09:05] <akrus> hm
[09:05] <Alzi2> =)
[09:05] <akrus> I cannot get xgl working with ubuntu's one o_O
[09:06] <akrus> at least it's lagging a lot, as well as Mesa
[09:06] <chimaera> well, you might stil give it a shot. i had bene running debian/SID for four years.  ^^
[09:06] <Alzi2> c'mon backup I WANT YOU TO FINISH so i can transfer you via ncftp to my laptop and live happily ever after...
[09:06] <Alzi2> akrus: Well.... go to the wiki and search for ATI. Search for docs on it and follow it up. And for ATI Radeon cards, DON'T do XGL but do AIGLX.
[09:07] <Alzi2> oh, and by the way... beryl sucks... too unstable 'n slow 'n shiz
[09:07] <akrus> Alzi2: okay, I'll try once again :) last time it was unsuccessful :D
[09:07] <akrus> just wanna try it :)
[09:07] <Alzi2> akrus: hmm..
[09:07] <Alzi2> akrus: Yeah but just don't use it daily :P
[09:07] <Alzi2> it has a hooking factor, really.
[09:08] <akrus> :)
[09:10] <akrus> my download speed sucks :(
[09:10] <akrus> getting at 30k/sec
[09:11] <Alzi2> I have 450 kb/s :D
[09:11] <Alzi2> Hooray for speedlinq  :P
[09:14] <akrus> :)
[09:14] <akrus> Russian internet connection sucks o_O
[09:14] <Alzi2> If you first install kubuntu-desktop, and then uninstall GTK.. will it remove kde stuff too?
[09:14] <akrus> currently something's wrong with wifi connection
[09:14] <Alzi2> akrus: hmm
[09:15] <akrus> so I'm using my home connection :)
[09:15] <akrus> rebooting~~ fglrx :)
[09:16] <naught101> chimaera: what's the problem you get with konqueror?
[09:17] <naught101> does it just freeze for a while, then continue loading?
[09:18] <chimaera> no, itS' just very slow and loading and displaying web-pages. disabling ipv6 helped a bit.
[09:19] <naught101> hrrm.. mine's really slow on some site. sourceforge kills it (both firefox and konqueror)...
[09:20] <chimaera> sf loads correctly
[09:23] <Alzi2><PHONE_NUMBER>010101011101000101000110010110 <-- What does this mean?
[09:23] <chimaera> can't ready binary, sorry.
[09:24] <llutz> hi
[09:24] <Alzi2> me neither... but my number pad can :P
[09:28] <chimaera> i want to change the dpi of my mouse within kcontrol. as root, this works fine, as user, i'm told that i don't have the appropriate permissions. where exactly do i need to have permissions for this?
[09:35] <uppal> hi there
[09:35] <uppal> anyone knows any place i can grab beryl from
[09:35] <uppal> the main project site seems down
[09:35] <uppal> i cannot resolve its dns
[09:38] <sc0tt> uppal: ask in #beryl
[09:41] <avalon> I've got an XFS drive and a EXT3 drive. My XFS is my storage device and my EXT drive is my primary drives. Problem is my storage drive and my regular drive are both nearly full, so I need to do some housecleaning. I started on my EXT drive and tried to go on to the XFS drive. Neither of them actually remove files though. They'll show the files getting deleted, be really slow with the progress screen, and then they'll appaer in the trashcan. I'll empty it
[09:41] <avalon> and still have the same folder on the hard drive full. I went through console and tried, and even KDE su ed in Konqueror but all have the same effect. The files are read write access to everyone. What's wrong?
[09:41] <harmental> hi everybody....
[09:42] <harmental> for edgy users: which kernel are you using?
[09:42] <_4strO``> yop yop
[09:42] <avalon> 2.6.10 generic harmental
[09:42] <Neko> aupa
[09:43] <chimaera> 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP
[09:44] <harmental> thx.....im using 2.6.17-10
[09:45] <harmental> i was wondering why dont we have access to the latests kernel in the repos
[09:47] <harmental> isnt edgy supossed to have the latest version of every peice of soft out there?
[09:50] <_kuja_> harmental, 2.6.17 was probably the latest at the time of inclusion. The devs don't include multiple kernels in the repos because that would make things more difficult to support
[09:51] <harmental> _kuja_: im not sure thats true...With dapper i updated several times my kernel...
[09:51] <_kuja_> Yes, however, each time it was 2.6.15.
[09:51] <_kuja_> They were security fixes.
[10:05] <Endler> What are the best supported in Kubuntu, no-hassle to get WPA working, 802.11g cards?
[10:06] <avalon> Is it possible to run .net apps in Kubuntu?
[10:07] <Endler> It should be.  I'm think there is a mono package.
[10:08] <uppal> Endler: i have an intel based card 2200g
[10:08] <llutz> Endler: ipw2200 works fine, atheros (cardbus) too, but wth madwifi-ng
[10:08] <avalon> I've got that, but Im not quite sure how to get it to run the app. Ive tried mono app.exe, but I get a coredump
[10:09] <Snikles> How do I install a icon theme?
[10:09] <Endler> It was no problem to set up WPA, and it runs stable?
[10:10] <uppal> nope
[10:10] <chimaera> i'm running a zyxel usb-stick. also no problems
[10:11] <Snikles> How do I install a icon theme?
[10:12] <Endler> Control Center/Appearance & Themes/Icons/Install New Theme button
[10:12] <chimaera> Snikles: download and install via kontrolcenter
[10:13] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing fontconfig (--configure):
[10:13] <intelikey>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:13] <Snikles> chimaera, thanks!
[10:13] <intelikey> tried dpkg --configure -a      tried apt-get install -f     that's all i get out of it...
[10:13] <intelikey> anybody know ?
[10:14] <crazy_bus> intelikey, what happened?
[10:14] <intelikey> Setting up fontconfig (2.3.2-1.1ubuntu12) ...
[10:14] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing fontconfig (--configure):
[10:14] <intelikey> followed by that first post ^
[10:15] <intelikey> crazy_bus installind X  not that that really matters.
[10:16] <intelikey> installing    that is.
[10:16] <crazy_bus> sorry, I've not idead what to do then
[10:17] <intelikey> it's not giving enough error message for me to trubble shoot with out hacking the post-instalation script
[10:17] <chimaera> you're installing from official sources?
[10:17] <rockprincess> good morning all!
[10:17] <intelikey> yes
[10:18] <intelikey> chimaera dapper.
[10:18] <rockprincess> does anybody have any experiences how to set a classpath in kubuntu?
[10:20] <intelikey> my sources.list is three lines,  want me to paste it ?     slow right now and three lines shouldn't bother anybody.
[10:21] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main universe multiverse
[10:21] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main universe multiverse
[10:21] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe multiverse
[10:25] <crazy_bus> join #timidity
[10:27] <intelikey> hell i see it.   some yo yo put  " HOME=/root " in the postinst script.   idiots.
[10:27] <intelikey> says it's hacked from redhat.
[10:27] <intelikey> and it shows.
[10:30] <intelikey> looks like that's not all.  calls db_get  which is not found.
[10:32] <intelikey> anybody know what package provides db_get ?
[10:33] <crimsun> debconf
[10:34] <intelikey> i don't think so ????  debconf is already the newest version.
[10:35] <intelikey> i've a half a mind to exit 0 the second line and forget it.
[10:35] <intelikey> hmmm the other half seem willing to accept that dicision
[10:36] <Gacha> I installed Kubuntu 6.10 on 64bit AMD and I got problems with NVIDA or XORG. When I run glxgears the PC freezes and when I try to log off then also it freezes
[10:37] <jorik> Gacha: i had the same problems as you (32bit tho)
[10:37] <Gacha> I have another Kubuntu PC on 32bit, but there are no problems
[10:37] <jorik> X would occasionally completely freeze, but my music would still play and i'd still be able to SSH in my box. strangest of all: i could even move my mouse pinter (but not click anything)
[10:38] <jorik> all problems disappeared after a lot of fxring with my drivers but i forgot what i did excactly. but my pc still hangs when i try to shut it down from time to time.
[10:39] <Gacha> how do you mean " fxring with my drivers" ?
[10:45] <leonardo> salve
[10:45] <lenscape> Kubuntu's dhcp client isn't updating our internal DNS. Anyone know how to fix it? (SuSE does out of the box)
[10:48] <intelikey> i have an even bigger problem than fontconfig not setting up, i think...   seems it's not running init scripts from any runlevel after S
[10:49] <intelikey> infact i'm sure it's not.
[10:49] <Reno_01> hello
[10:50] <Reno_01> can i ask please
[10:50] <intelikey> !ask
[10:50] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:50] <intelikey> you just did...
[10:53] <Reno_01> where i can get kububtu 6.10 lts
[10:53] <_kuja_> 6.10 isn't lts
[10:53] <intelikey> !lts
[10:53] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:54] <intelikey> !dapper
[10:54] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[10:54] <intelikey> !edgy
[10:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[10:55] <Reno_01> hello
[10:56] <_kuja_> hi
[10:59] <Reno_01> can i get free kubuntu 6.10. lts
[11:00] <Jucato> free download, yes. free shipped CD, no.
[11:00] <Reno_01> ??
[11:00] <intelikey> Reno_01 no you can not.
[11:00] <Reno_01> hikss..
[11:00] <Reno_01> :(
[11:01] <intelikey> there is no such creature
[11:01] <intelikey> you've been told.
[11:01] <Reno_01> ok ic..
[11:01] <harmental> Reno_01: there is no LTS for edgy
[11:02] <intelikey> that's the fourth time you've been told in 5 minutes
[11:06] <intelikey> bah  i think that's keeping x form working...    dpkg: error processing fontconfig (--configure):
[11:06] <intelikey>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:07] <intelikey> actual error causing agent is   command db_get  not found
[11:09] <lenscape> !skype
[11:09] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:11] <rockprincess> hehe does this work with java as well?
[11:11] <rockprincess> !java
[11:11] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:11] <rockprincess> cool ;)
[11:11] <rockprincess> !classpath
[11:11] <ubotu> classpath: clean room standard Java libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:0.92-3 (edgy), package size 346 kB, installed size 572 kB
[11:11] <intelikey> !jre
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <intelikey> on they combined it
[11:11] <intelikey> heh nm
[11:16] <niels__> !adept crash
[11:16] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[11:17] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | niels__
[11:17] <ubotu> niels__: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:18] <niels__> Jucato: Thanks
[11:20] <Jucato> np
[11:20] <intelikey> why would init load scripts from /etc/rcS.d/ but not from /etc/rc$runlevel.d/   ?
[11:20] <voker57> Hi
[11:20] <voker57> Can you advise me a good mail client?
[11:21] <intelikey> i may have to build my own sysV style startup...   i've done that before...
[11:23] <voker57> er
[11:24] <voker57> loox like nope
[11:24] <aspedia> hello all
[11:24] <aspedia> can someone tell me what is the difference between su and sudo?
[11:24] <lenscape> sudo does one command
[11:24] <_kuja_> intelikey, does "echo $RUNLEVEL" even give you any output.... make me wonder if it's there.
[11:24] <intelikey> as root...    init 2 ; echo " printf 'this is a test' " > /etc/rc3.d/S00testing ; init 3    simply returns to the prompt.
[11:24] <lenscape> su logs you in as root (or someone)
[11:24] <intelikey> voker57 mozilla-newsmail
[11:25] <voker57> intelikey: eh...it is built-in?
[11:25] <aspedia> okay
[11:25] <lenscape> aspedia: although - su can do one command too, if you ask it to
[11:26] <intelikey> aspedia su is switch user  and you have to have the other user passwd   sudo is super user do  which uses your passwd    assuming /etc/sudoers allows you to use it.
[11:26] <intelikey> Voker57[away]  no.  in the repos.
[11:26] <lenscape> Kubuntu's dhcp client isn't updating our internal DNS. Anyone know how to fix it? (SuSE does out of the box)
[11:27] <intelikey> _kuja_ good call.  RUNLEVEL  is not set
[11:27] <aspedia> another question: I need the source from mysql 5.0.22 and can not find it on mysql.com
[11:28] <lenscape> aspedia: dunno. I use PostgreSQL
[11:29] <lenscape> (a proper database :-) )
[11:29] <intelikey> aspedia apt-get source   ?     assumes you have  deb-src *  inabled
[11:29] <aspedia> we have in production use mysql 5.0.22
[11:29] <pip> Hello,I want to share a file with another PC in my LAN, what shall I do ?
[11:30] <teledyn> aspedia: what's wrong with the ubuntu version?
[11:30] <lenscape> pip: both linux?
[11:30] <aspedia> hmm , soorry the mysql runs on suse9 server
[11:30] <guiden> what's the biggest differences between kubuntu and debian?
[11:30] <pip> no,mine linux, his windows
[11:30] <lenscape> pip: you need to set-up samba
[11:31] <aspedia> and the developers here need a devel package for it and I can not find it anywhere. Does someonehave an idea where I can get it?
[11:31] <intelikey> aspedia suse should provide the source also.
[11:31] <pip> lenscape: I want to let me use my date looking the same as he uses his date on his local box
[11:31] <teledyn> aspedia: what's wrong with the ubuntu version?
[11:31] <aspedia> but only an older 4- version
[11:31] <_kuja_> Kubuntu gives you a set of packages, a six month release cycle, and more packages in its repositories.
[11:31] <pip> lenscape: need I configure samba ?
[11:31] <intelikey> aspedia check a debian sid mirror
[11:32] <guiden> ok
[11:32] <lenscape> pip: System Settings -> Network & Connectivitty -> Sharing
[11:32] <we2by> hi
[11:32] <we2by> test
[11:32] <lenscape> result
[11:32] <we2by> thx
[11:33] <we2by> help
[11:33] <we2by> !codecs
[11:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:35] <pip> lenscape: and need he use a client of samba ?
[11:35] <_kuja_> intelikey, how about something like this .... /etc/rc`runlevel | cut -d ' ' -f 2`.d/
[11:35] <lenscape> windows /is/ the client of samba
[11:35] <pip> lenscape: good to hear that
[11:36] <pip> lenscape: thanks
[11:36] <intelikey> _kuja_ yeah or just fix the /etc/init.d/rc file which i'll get to in a minute...
[11:37] <pip> lenscape: and what does KPF do ?
[11:38] <lenscape> pip: dunno. Never heard of it
[11:38] <pip> lenscape: I right clicked on a file I want to share with others and found there is a sharing card and I started the kpf applet
[11:39] <lenscape> pip: no idea about it
[11:39] <pip> OK,thanks
[11:39] <intelikey> bahaha  i got it.  a lib that is not marked essential and fontconfig doesn't depend on... it actually depends on.  finally got it setup.
[11:40] <we2by> is it posible to remove all panels?
[11:41] <pip> lenscape: my samba server is running ,then how can make him use my data ?
[11:41] <lenscape> pip: are you familiar with Windows shares?
[11:41] <intelikey> we2by not at all    sudo killall kicker
[11:42] <pip> lenscape: he can visit my folders as if he is using his local folders
[11:42] <pip> lenscape: so so
[11:42] <lenscape> pip: he connects to \\<your PC name>\<your share name>
[11:42] <pip> lenscape: But I am caring about how to config MY local samba server
[11:42] <intelikey> i'm not sure you want to though
[11:42] <we2by> just use konqueror to browse to your samba share
[11:42] <pip> how ?
[11:43] <intelikey> smb://computername
[11:43] <lenscape> pip: map network drive
[11:43] <pip> OK
[11:43] <pip> I am trying
[11:43] <intelikey> !smb
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <intelikey> !samba
[11:43] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:44] <we2by> pip: are you trying to browse your smb shares?
[11:44] <pip> how to make a file I want to share with others in the specific place that stores sharing files
[11:44] <intelikey> why not make it a dir
[11:45] <pip> in
[11:45] <we2by> how do you configure koknqueror to open every window in a specific size?
[11:45] <pip> intelikey: I just want to make another PC in my LAN use my data
[11:45] <we2by> pip: just setup samba
[11:45] <pip> we2by: done,and then ?
[11:46] <we2by> pip: did you setup a share dir?
[11:46] <lenscape> pip: you are going to have to do a quick bit of reading up on Samba.
[11:46] <we2by> if not, use swat to do it
[11:46] <intelikey> samba is not needed for linux to linux  only when M$ has to play.
[11:46] <lenscape> intelikey: pip is sharing with 'doze.
[11:47] <pip> I see,thanks
[11:47] <we2by> how do you mount an sftp account on a remote host?/
[11:47] <pip> I am trying to do that ,thanks,I think I can make it on my own now
[11:47] <we2by> pip: :)
[11:49] <we2by> I wishKDE has an applet similar to the one gnome has, that can search wiki, google, local machine, or execute commands
[11:49] <we2by> it's so handy
[11:50] <pip> An error occurred while trying to share folder '/home/pip/Desktop/Song'. Make sure that the Perl script 'fileshareset' is set suid root.
[11:50] <pip> what does it mean ? so I need more package installed ?
[11:51] <_kuja_> we2by, I'm sure it's not the same, but you can search all of those from konqueror's address bar
[11:51] <we2by> pip: are you trying to do it in SWAT?
[11:52] <we2by> _kuja_: it is far from what the applet can do
[11:52] <intelikey> ok i have the really stupid question now.   does ext# fs   ever move/rearrange files on the disk ?   (defrag type thing)  ????
[11:52] <pip> we2by: I dont know what SWAT is
[11:52] <we2by> pip: it is a web interface to configure samba
[11:52] <we2by> just use that
[11:52] <we2by> it's much easier
[11:52] <intelikey> !swat
[11:52] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:52] <pip> we2by: i don think so I am using it
[11:53] <intelikey> any body know about ext# ?
[11:54] <pip> we2by: I just installed samba and now it is running and I right clicked on a folder in which there are files i want to share wit others and choose the share card and just did something I dont really understand and failed !
[11:54] <pip> wit /with
[11:54] <teledyn> intelikey: no
[11:54] <we2by> pip: lemme try it :P
[11:54] <intelikey> teledyn are you sure ?
[11:55] <teledyn> intelikey: i know there's no defrag.  how it organizes files over time i don't know
[11:55] <pip> we2by: OK,thanks,I think that that  kubuntu is easy to use  is always its goal
[11:56] <intelikey> i have a disk that the mbr is not changing, and the kernel and initramfs.img are set imutable  but if i do very much disk writing lilo freeks    i know it's not mbr i've been md5'ing it.
[11:57] <we2by> pip: yea, but it is not easyto achieve that
[11:57] <laasma> hello,i am there for the 1st time
[11:57] <we2by> since kubuntu is just a collection of free software put together
[11:57] <intelikey> all i have to do is reinstall lilo and it's good until the fs has some heavy traffic.
[11:58] <we2by> I don't see a share menu when I right click on a folder
[11:59] <_kuja_> There should be a share tab in the properties window of the folder
[11:59] <pip> we2by: impossible
[11:59] <we2by> pip: here is what I see
[11:59] <we2by> pip: right click on the folder
[11:59] <we2by> chose propeties
[11:59] <pip> we2by: there must be 4 memus
[12:00] <we2by> then chose the tab share
[12:00] <we2by> then config sharing
[12:00] <pip> we2by: General ,Permissions,Share,Sharing
[12:01] <we2by> pip: click on the allowed users
[12:01] <we2by> you can allow all users or just you
[12:02] <pip> yeah
[12:02] <we2by> I'd just go for allow all users
[12:02] <pip> me too
[12:02] <we2by> click ok/apply to save
[12:02] <pip> and I dont know if right now the configration is for LAN sharing or just local sharing
[12:03] <pip> I need LAN  sharing
[12:03] <we2by> now you can see the options shared and not shared
[12:03] <we2by> pip: samba is over the network
[12:03] <we2by> local sharing can be done using  chmod
[12:03] <pip> we2by: share the folder on the web  ?
[12:04] <we2by> no, within your lan
[12:04] <pip> there is a "sharing" menu
[12:04] <pip> OK I see
[12:04] <we2by> yep, worked for me :)
[12:04] <we2by> if you did what I said, it should work
[12:04] <pip> and I have chosen the opition named "share this folder in the local network"
[12:05] <pip> we2by: samba should be running
[12:05] <we2by> I'm not even using the kde share applet
[12:05] <we2by> pip: do what I said above, it should work
[12:07] <pip> I can see my sharing folder in "smb://localhost/" with Konqueror
[12:07] <pip> : )
[12:07] <we2by> other users in your lan can see it too
[12:08] <pip> but when I click on the folder ,it said this folder does not exist
[12:08] <pip> so strange
[12:08] <pip> BUT I do can see it
[12:09] <sfs> hi there
[12:09] <we2by> erm, it works here
[12:09] <pip> OK, I think there must be something wrong when I configured it
[12:09] <pip> let me check : )
[12:09] <we2by> is the kde share applet started?
[12:09] <we2by> if so, try to stop it
[12:11] <we2by> yep, works here :) like it
[12:11] <pip> we2by: and you did not configure your samba any right ? just run it ?
[12:11] <sfs> I was wondering: does anyone have QtCurve working on edgy ? I cant launch firefox/thunderbird when it's changed.
[12:11] <we2by> I did sudo apt-get install samba
[12:12] <we2by> and then right click on a folder and went to the share tab to configure share to allow every one to share their folder
[12:12] <sfs> I using Appearance->Gtk Styles and Fonts->Use another style-> Qtcurve
[12:12] <we2by> that's it
[12:12] <sfs> i=i'm
[12:13] <Jucato> do you have QtCurve installed?
[12:13] <sfs> yep
[12:13] <Jucato> hm... that would be strange...
[12:14] <we2by> sfs: try launching firefox in the terminal and see what happens
[12:14] <sfs> yes I dont understand it.. I just gave up on it a while ago, but my gtk apps looks really bad
[12:14] <woodefec> hi
[12:14] <hastesaver> Maybe Clearlooks is better?
[12:14] <sfs> we2by: launching from terminal works fine
[12:14] <we2by> weird
[12:15] <sfs> we2by: also konqueror, vmware workstation works
[12:15] <sfs> we2by: from the kicker panel
[12:15] <Jucato> konqueror should, since it's KDE
[12:16] <sfs> Jucato: it was just to say that kicker panel works fine :)
[12:16] <Jucato> works fine here
[12:16] <we2by> you'r missing something:\
[12:17] <sfs> Jucato: what QtCurve package do you use?
[12:17] <Jucato> btw, I don't have QtCurve in the list in "Use another Style"
[12:17] <sfs> Jucato: and do you have qtcurve-gtk2 installed ?
[12:17] <Jucato> I only have Qt and Raleigh
[12:17] <Jucato> ah no, not that QtCurve
[12:17] <sfs> Jucato: well then you cant test it :)
[12:17] <Jucato> hold on I'll try installing it :)
[12:17] <pip> we2by: Sharing folder '/home/pip/Desktop/Song' failed.An error occurred while trying to share folder '/home/pip/Desktop/Song'. Make sure that the Perl script 'fileshareset' is set suid root.
[12:18] <Jucato> um.. but where is it?
[12:18] <pip> we2by: the folder can not be set "shared", am I lack of a file ?
[12:18] <we2by> pip: where did u got that?
[12:18] <we2by> pip: how did you install samba?
[12:18] <sfs> we2by: chmod +s /usr/bin/fileshareset
[12:18] <pip> adept
[12:18] <we2by> yea, try to setuid to that script
[12:19] <sfs> we2by: think you need a sudo with that ;)
[12:19] <we2by> pip: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/fileshareset
[12:19] <pip> done
[12:19] <pip> let me try
[12:19] <we2by> try to share the fodler again ;)
[12:19] <sfs> Jucato: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[12:20] <we2by> does gnome has such a sharing feature?
[12:21] <we2by> have*
[12:21] <Jucato> sfs: that is the one I'm using, but I don't get a QtCurve on my list. I only have QtCurve and Raleigh in GTK Styles and Fonts
[12:21] <sfs> Jucato: do you have 'qtcurve-gtk2' installed aswell?
[12:21] <Jucato> sfs: no. that's the one I'm asking about.
[12:22] <Jucato> bah nvm... :(
[12:22] <sfs> Jucato: alright lemme find it
[12:22] <Jucato> sfs: why not just use QtCurve, then let GTK apps use your KDE style?
[12:23] <sfs> Jucato: I thought thats what qtcurve-gtk2 was for (?)
[12:24] <Jucato> sfs: no. that's what the GTK Styles and Fonts is for
[12:24] <Jucato> to let you use your KDE styles on GTK apps
[12:24] <sfs> Jucato: I used to run this combo in fedora, and it didn't work before both was installed
[12:24] <Jucato> really?
[12:25] <Jucato> maybe they didn't have the GTK Styles and Fonts module, which is actually a GTK theme
[12:25] <sfs> Jucato: yep, to make qtcurve create the theme for gtk, you needed that package.. anyways i will try removing qtcurve-gtk2, maybe there's som magic going on here
[12:25] <we2by> brb
[12:25] <Jucato> !gtk2-engines-gtk-qt | sfs
[12:25] <ubotu> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.70-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 80 kB, installed size 364 kB
[12:26] <sfs> probably that kind of magic :)
[12:26] <Jucato> sfs: that's what installs the GTK Styles and Fonts module, which is installed by default on Kubuntu
[12:26] <sfs> I'll try
[12:26] <sfs> great i just didn't know that :D
[12:27] <Jucato> of course, it really can't do everything that KDE styles can do, like menu translucency and drop shadows
[12:27] <we2by> sharing works in gnome too :)
[12:29] <johncc> when I use the following line, it does what I want...
[12:29] <johncc> sed -n -e '/^D[0-9] [0-9] -[0-9] [0-9] -[0-9] [0-9] /p' Joint\ Bank.QIF
[12:29] <johncc> but when I use \d instead of [0-9]  it doesn't work
[12:29] <pip> so funny,i can see other windows PC in my LAN through samba,but I can not see my own sharing folder
[12:29] <johncc> is that because sed doesn't understand the \d class or because of a shell quoting issue?
[12:29] <Vimmel> Where do i check who and what restarted my server?
[12:31] <we2by> pip: did you allow every one to share?
[12:32] <pip> yeah,I chose Allow everyone unspecified users can share that folder
[12:33] <we2by> weird
[12:33] <we2by> my system is not a clean kubuntu desktop though
[12:33] <we2by> it is ubuntu and I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <pip> is there any limitation for the space of a folder such as < 2G
[12:34] <we2by> don't think so
[12:34] <we2by> but I got to go
[12:34] <we2by> l4t3r
[12:35] <pip> thanks ,i think I will be a seccess soon : )
[12:36] <hastesaver> Vimmel, try "last". but I don't know if it will help...
[12:37] <jdiwnab> Was someone wanting me last night?
[12:37] <jdiwnab> I got a ping
[12:37] <jdiwnab> but i got lost in the buffer
[12:37] <Vimmel> hastesaver, it just says reboot   system boot  2.6.15-26-386    Sat Nov 25 07:51         (2+04:43)
[12:38] <jdiwnab> ah well
[12:58] <lenscape> where is the panel control applet for the KDE desktop? It ain't in System Settings
[12:59] <frodo> alt+f2 kcontrol
[12:59] <sfs> Jucato: hey i tried removing Qtcurve-gtk2, and still my gtk apps look like default
[12:59] <sfs> Jucato: so it aint working
[01:00] <lenscape> frodo: Thanks! Why the hell is that hidden?
[01:01] <Jucato> sfs: did you try setting GTK Styles and Fonts to "Use my KDE style in GKT applications"?
[01:01] <Morrissey> Hi! my lspci is: "Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device" for vga. I want to use 3D applications, but I dont know where to start. Can anyone help me with this? Have been trying forever!
[01:01] <Jucato> sfs: take note that some features of KDE styles really won't work on GTK apps, no matter how hard you try.
[01:03] <sfs> Jucato: yes, i set it using "use my kde style...". Well my gtk apps dont change at all, so there must be something wrong
[01:03] <Jucato> probably...
[01:05] <pip> I can not open the folder with Konqueror ,but I can see it in the localhost (computer name) in the samba sharing folder
[01:05] <pip> any ideas ?
[01:06] <pip> and I can see other's sharing folders in my LAN with Konqueror
[01:07] <sfs> Jucato: check this difference http://enhance-it.dk/test.jpg
[01:07] <sfs> Jucato: the above one has QtCurve-Gtk enabled
[01:08] <sfs> Jucato: the one below has "Use my KDE style in GTK apps"
[01:09] <sparr> im looking for an animated gif of a linux/foss (kde, tux, ubuntu, kubuntu, etc) logo pissing on a windows (xp, vista, whatever) logo.  anyone got one handy?
[01:09] <Jucato> sfs: I could never get KDE themes to work on VMWare server. one possible reason might be that VMWare uses GTK 1, while gtk2-engines-gtk-qt affects only GTK 2 apps. maybe...
[01:12] <sfs> Jucato: nope... vmware 5.5.3 uses gtk2, as you can read in their release notes. So there's definitely something wrong
[01:12] <Jucato> yeah
[01:12] <sfs> Jucato: well I try and fix it someday
[01:12] <Jucato> let me see if I can find a qtcurve-gtk deb
[01:13] <sfs> Jucato: 2secs, i've found that url for you: http://www.lnxteam.org/downloads/pub/Kubuntu/qtcurve/
[01:14] <Jucato> sfs: which one is it? gtk1 or gtk2?
[01:14] <sfs> Jucato: gtk2
[01:14] <Jucato> ok
[01:16] <Jucato> sfs: ok. good news, you're right. you need the qtcurve-gtk* to make GTK apps really use QtCurve, which means it's a direct port of the QtCurve style form Qt to GTK (gtk2-engines-gtk-qt only tries to emulate)
[01:16] <Jucato> sfs: bad news: I can't reproduce your bug (Firefox not launching)
[01:16] <sfs> Jucato: argh
[01:19] (sfs/#kubuntu) Jucato: stupid, eh?
[01:19] (Jucato/#kubuntu) kinda...
[01:19] (Jucato/#kubuntu) I'm as stumped as you are
[01:20] (sfs/#kubuntu) Jucato: hmm guess I have to investigate what really happens with gtkrc-2.0 and the qt-engine thing
[01:20] <sfs> Jucato: do you have the problem with the screensaver aswell? Mine is always set to 5 hours, no matter if I change it before i log out
[01:20] <Jucato> um.. haven't noticed, as I don't use screensavers
[01:20] <sfs> Jucato: when the machine starts kde again, it magically back to 5 hours :D
[01:23] <[GuS] > Bonjour...
[01:25] <lenscape> !ticker
[01:25] <ubotu> ticker: configurable text scroller. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB