[08:31] <kwwii> moin moin
[08:33] <thorwil> good morning, kwwii
[08:49] <savvas> moinmo.in :)
[12:07] <savvas> ballmer had some eggs thrown at him heh http://index.hu/tech/uzlet/ballmer08051
[14:28] <njpatel> kwwii: hey, if you see cory, can you let him know that I'm stuck in meetings till 5:15, please
[14:28] <kwwii> njpatel: sure, will do
[14:28] <kwwii> he was just here
[14:28] <njpatel> kwwii: thanks!
[14:29] <smallfoot-> put shadow on my mouse you motherfuckers
[14:29] <smallfoot-> i dont have shadow in my mouse
[14:29] <smallfoot-> in windows i have shadow
[14:31] <kwwii> smallfoot-: please do not use such language in this channel
[14:35] <smallfoot-> ok sry
[14:35] <smallfoot-> plz i want shadows in my mouse
[14:40] <thorwil> smallfoot-: i'm not sure this is the right or only way
[14:40] <thorwil> but in the device section of xorg.conf, there can be a
[14:40] <thorwil> Option          "CursorShadow" "true"
[14:40] <thorwil> Option          "SWCursor" "false"
[14:40] <thorwil> Option          "HWCursor" "true"
[14:41]  * thorwil goes to clean his bicycle
[14:42] <savvas> smallfoot-: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4976/
[14:54] <smallfoot-> i even removed my mouse section from xorg.conf, it works better that way :D
[15:04] <savvas> hm..
[15:05] <savvas> how do we decode an xcursor file?
[15:05] <savvas> convert it to png?
[15:19] <savvas> weird
[15:19] <savvas> why didn't they add the real source?
[15:26] <savvas> smallfoot-: the dmz-cursor-theme actually has a shadow
[15:26] <savvas> it's just really attached to the cursor :)
[15:29] <smallfoot-> why use an xcursor instead of a png?
[15:30] <smallfoot-> png have alpha transparency, high bit color, etc, its good


[12:49] <efe> hello
[12:50] <efe> I have a problem with my ubuntu login page. I wanna report this to community. can anyone help me??
[13:05] <efe> hello
[13:05] <efe> I have a problem
[13:35] <efe> hi


[02:35] <Hobbsee> another missing feature of ubotu
[02:35] <Hobbsee> the meeting stuff
[02:36] <Seeker`> the @now thing?
[02:37] <nalioth> Seeker`: yes
[02:39] <Pici> yes
[02:40] <Pici> its in the webcal plugin
[04:42] <axod3> Hi, the mibbit client from mibbit.com seems to be banned from entering the channel #ubuntu . , Can this behavior be changed ?
[04:42] <axod3> As it is possible now within the client to ban users from ident.
[04:42] <axod3> Attention to this matter would be very aprciative .
[04:44] <axod3> If the mibbit client could be unbaned from #ubuntu and afiliations , do to new identify structure and LP that is now inplace i would be greatful for any consideration in this matter.
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> axod3: the bots automatically grant an exeption to any users that follow the instructions given by said bots in #ubuntu-proxy-users
[04:46] <axod3> Hi Tony, mibbit is not an ordinary web 2.0 application as it has full ident support as of april 1st. , A channel operator need only ban by identify for any user should they need to.
[04:47] <axod3> User's IP and Hostname are clearly visible within there perninent information.
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> The point is that there are more abusive users than legitimate ones, so it makes more sense to start with the ban and grant exceptions, rather than the other way around.  Given that the exceptions are automated, this shouldn't be a problem.
[04:48] <axod3> There are also flood controll in place that are very strict.
[04:49] <axod3> Tony, Given ubuntu's large user base however it may deter the applications new users from using said service.
[04:49] <axod3> Although I do not disagree with you on the matter .
[04:50] <tonyyarusso> Flood control doesn't stop a single user...
[04:50] <axod3> ..
[04:51] <axod3> There are also other backend refineries being implimented that stops users from spaming and becoming beligerant .
[04:51] <Hobbsee> axod3: btw, do you work for / contribute to mibbit?
[04:51] <axod3> Please take into account your channels popularity at the time being.
[04:52] <axod3> Hobbsee, Yes both . Thank you for asking.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> right
[04:52] <Hobbsee> axod3: what are the backend refineries being implemented?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: they can only abuse with mibbit once, i suspec.t
[04:54] <axod3> We are working on vulgarity and link controll constructs for new users and constructs of the same for newly registered members and non registered members.
[04:54] <axod3> All brewing in the fire so to speak.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> do you also do flood control?
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: with static IP at least.
[04:55] <axod3> Yes. we have server end flood controll.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: well, yeah.
[04:55]  * Hobbsee nods
[04:55] <axod3> We also have no cloaking of any kind , not even for myself.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> axod3: so mibbit could be censoring the content that goes through.  interesting.
[04:55] <axod3> Hobbsee, only for non registrations
[04:55] <axod3> ATM.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> very interesting.
[04:56] <axod3> As mentioned earlier all these features are brewing in the fire . , Non have been implemented yet.  Mibbit is a entry level web 2.0 project build on java neo.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> axod3: how long until they are implemented?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> (estimate)
[04:57] <axod3> Testing is still perninant , If i where to make a rough guess I would says within mid to early summer.
[04:58] <axod3> say* scuse me
[04:58] <Hobbsee> axod3: are you in the northern or southern hemisphere?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> giving an answer as a season is annoying, and is ignoring half the planet.
[04:58] <axod3> Northern  , Servers are located in washington DC as well
[04:58] <Hobbsee> give an answer as a set of months, to avoid ambiguity :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> right, so that's my winter.  a few months.
[04:59] <axod3> :) With regards to ambiguity .
[04:59] <axod3> May i ask who is the seniour operator in this channel ?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> there are multiple
[05:00] <axod3> And the seniour among them ?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> the actual council is made up of LjL, nalioth, elkbuntu and PriceChild
[05:01] <Hobbsee> that being said, i can't imagine allowing it until you've implemented the aforementioend features.
[05:01] <axod3> If i may make a suposition , PriceChild  is the seniour operator ?
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> There is no single person.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> there is no singular senior operator.
[05:05] <Axod4> There is also no idling allowed as my server is still in beta and I have a strict 24 hour idle policy.
[05:05] <Axod4> Sqaters are booted so to speak
[05:05] <Axod4> Squaters*
[05:05] <Axod4> I would apreciate any aprehension in these matters . , Thanks for the time.
[05:06] <Axod4> Take care.
[05:06]  * tonyyarusso didn't understand the usage of half those words
[05:07] <ScottK> Someone named flyback is being insulting and difficult in #ubuntu-server.  I'd appreciate it if someone would kick him.
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: nobody here has access.
[05:09] <ScottK> Odd.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> call staff?
[05:09] <ScottK> We don't get a lot of trouble in #ubuntu-server.
[05:09] <ScottK> I guess.
[05:09] <ScottK> Maybe it just hasn't come up before.
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> likely.
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: staff isn't on the list either.
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> Only infinity, soren, lamont, mathiaz, and thom.
[05:12] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[05:13] <ScottK> See you later then.
[06:27] <bazhang> is tr0gdor a bot? !uptime made him respond with something about windows vista
[06:30] <mneptok> looks like an uptime script
[06:30] <mneptok> Host 'snowwhite', running Linux 2.6.20-16-server - Cpu0: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2660 MHz; Up: 79d+12:53; Users: 12; Load: 0.58; Free: [Mem: 6247/16241 Mio] [Swap: 1901/1906 Mio] [: / Mio] [/boot: 173/236 Mio]; Vpenis: 688.3 cm;
[06:30] <mneptok> like so :)
[06:30] <bazhang> wow; should k him/it?
[06:31] <mneptok> warnif he does it again, kicka nd ban after?
[06:31] <mneptok> *warn if
[06:31] <bazhang> okay thanks
[06:31] <mneptok> blah. me and <spacebar> are fighting
[06:31] <mneptok> and we used to be so close
[06:31] <mneptok> well, as close as space gets.
[06:31] <bazhang> :)
[06:34] <bazhang> he turned it off
[07:30] <bazhang> mneptok, you around?
[07:32] <bazhang> or others using chanserv.py :)
[07:33] <Myrtti> WTH
[07:33] <Myrtti> look at ot
[07:34] <Myrtti> I'm reaaaaallly starting to think fujisan and piero are the same person
[07:34] <bazhang> dont think I have operatpr in there
[07:34] <Myrtti> you probably don't
[07:34] <bazhang> or operator ;(
[07:35] <Myrtti> @login
[07:36] <Myrtti> !vista is ~= s/the the/the/
[07:36] <Myrtti> !vista ~= s/the the/the/
[07:36] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[07:36] <Myrtti> does anyone remember how that was done?
[07:37] <bazhang> thought it was !no such and such is blah
[07:38] <Myrtti> !no vista ~= s/the the/the/
[07:39] <Myrtti> WHAT THE HELL
[07:39] <Myrtti> he plays with the bot in pm with useless factoids?
[07:39] <bazhang> my mistake sorry
[07:40] <bazhang> do you use chanserv.py Myrtti ?
[07:41] <Myrtti> I'm an irssi girl
[07:41] <bazhang> aha :)
[07:42] <Myrtti> [09:41] Irssi uptime: 67d 23h 59m 33s
[07:42] <bazhang> wow :)
[07:42] <Myrtti> that's peanuts
[07:43] <Myrtti> irssi is on as long as the server is
[07:43] <Myrtti> and the server is in a server hotel in Espoo with UPS's, carbon dioxide extinguishing etc.
[07:44] <Myrtti> /me huggles ssh, screen and irssi
[07:44] <bazhang> haha
[07:46] <Myrtti> every hardcore irc user should give irssi a shot
[07:46] <bazhang> I just switched to xchat from konv
[07:47] <Myrtti> it's magnificent on it's own, but running on a server connectable with ssh, inside screen that keeps it on all the time...
[07:47] <Myrtti> <3
[07:47]  * jussi01 huggles quassel
[07:47] <bazhang> using the python script chanserv.py to do stuff; a kick is just a kick right? not a ban, i.e. users can then rejoin?
[07:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: you forgot is...
[07:49] <Myrtti> !no vista is ~= s/the the/the/
[07:49] <Myrtti> thanks jussi01
[07:50] <jussi01> :)
[07:50] <jussi01> !vista
[07:50] <jussi01> hrm
[07:50] <Myrtti> danghhhh
[07:50] <Myrtti> goddammit
[07:50] <jussi01> *cry*
[07:50] <Myrtti> /me fixes
[07:51] <Myrtti> !no vista is <answer> Vista is a recent version of Microsoft Windows. Discussion on Windows related topics is available in ##windows. General issues on moving from Windows to Ubuntu is convered in the wiki guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[07:52] <Myrtti> !vista
[07:52] <Myrtti> GGGGGRRRAAA
[07:52] <Myrtti> !no vista is a recent version of Microsoft Windows. Discussion on Windows related topics is available in ##windows. General issues on moving from Windows to Ubuntu is convered in the wiki guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[07:52] <Myrtti> !vista
[07:52] <Myrtti> /me takes a few steps back
[07:53] <bazhang> convered
[07:53] <Myrtti> !Vista
[07:53] <Myrtti> !-Vista
[07:54] <Myrtti> !no Vista is a recent version of Microsoft Windows. Discussion on Windows related topics is available in ##windows. General issues on moving from Windows to Ubuntu is convered in the wiki guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[07:55] <jussi01> having fun Myrtti?
[07:56] <Myrtti> jussi01: not exactly, as there's something broken
[07:57] <jussi01> Myrtti: what do you want it to say?
[07:57] <Myrtti> it now says what it should
[07:57] <jussi01> ok
[07:57] <bazhang> except for the spelling error convered :)
[07:58] <Myrtti> but the replacement and the <answer> thing worked just few days ago
[07:58] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[07:58] <jussi01> Myrtti: <reply> only works after a !no
[07:59] <Myrtti> oh
[07:59] <Myrtti> I'll get me coffee
[07:59] <jussi01> :)
[07:59] <ikonia_> zcz in ubuntu
[07:59] <ikonia_> spamming
[07:59] <ikonia_> bad
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> bahaha
[08:00] <jussi01> heh
[08:01] <bazhang> he can rejoin though correct? absent a ban?
[08:01] <ikonia_> thanks
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> yes, but not anymore.
[08:02] <bazhang> apparently so :)
[08:02] <Myrtti> [10:02] <zCz> Myr††i
[08:02] <Myrtti> [10:02] *** zCz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:02] <Myrtti> [10:02] ***  ircname  : øne †urk Agains† †he WørLd ! ! !
[08:02] <Myrtti> [10:02] <zCz> yøu †røJan
[08:02] <Myrtti> [10:02] <zCz> I wiLL send
[08:02] <Myrtti> [10:02] <zCz> AScûg¢SAcÛÐASc¢sa
[08:03] <Myrtti> he's asking for a k-train
[08:05]  * jussi01 sighs
[08:05] <Myrtti> anyone else got that?
[08:10] <jussi01> not I
[08:18] <ikonia> s/anythin/anything
[08:18] <bazhang> tried, tested and most importantly
[08:18] <ikonia> better
[08:19] <bazhang> perhaps also eliminate 'about in'
[08:20] <ikonia> yes, thats bad english
[08:20] <bazhang> and repository :)
[08:22] <ikonia> community for Ubuntu. This will give you atried, tested and most importantly SUPPORTED way to resolve your issue and move forward
[08:22] <ikonia> oops
[08:23] <ikonia> !no officialdocs is "Before doing anything you don't know about, check the official Ubuntu document repository and wiki pages at https://help.ubuntu.com These guides are created by the Ubuntu community for Ubuntu. This will give you a tried, test and most importantly SUPPORTED way to resolve your issue and move forward
[08:24] <ikonia> nice one bazhang
[08:24] <ikonia> much better
[08:24] <bazhang> thanks ikonia :)
[08:25] <Myrtti> !officialdocs
[08:26] <Myrtti> !officialdocs is <reply> officialdocs is Before doing anything you don't know about, check the official Ubuntu document repository and wiki pages at https://help.ubuntu.com These guides are created by the Ubuntu community for Ubuntu. This will give you a tried, test and most importantly *SUPPORTED* way to resolve your issue and move forward.
[08:26] <jussi01> Myrtti: only after a no... add it first with out the <reply>
[08:26] <Myrtti> DAMNIT
[08:27] <jussi01> Myrtti: may I?
[08:27] <Myrtti> !officialdocs
[08:27] <Myrtti> *colabwurp*
[08:27] <Myrtti> sure, go ahead ;-)
[08:28] <jussi01> !no, officialdocs is <reply>Before doing anything you don't know about, check the official Ubuntu document repository and wiki pages at https://help.ubuntu.com These guides are created by the Ubuntu community for Ubuntu. This will give you a tried, test and most importantly *SUPPORTED* way to resolve your issue and move forward.
[08:28] <jussi01> !officialdocs
[08:28] <jussi01> how sdoes that look?
[08:28] <bazhang> nice :)
[08:29] <Myrtti> now where was I
[08:29] <ikonia> thats good for me
[08:29] <ikonia> thank you
[08:45]  * elkbuntu sighs at piero trolling -offtopic with the vista factoid *again*
[08:46] <ikonia> what is the problem with !visa factoid, I thought it was quite good now ?
[08:47] <Myrtti> there was double the
[08:47] <ikonia> is that troll worthy ?
[08:48] <Myrtti> which is why I tried s/the the/the/
[08:48] <ikonia> it looked ok when we put it in, did ubotu bork ?
[08:48] <Myrtti> probably not
[08:48] <ikonia> just something we missed
[08:49] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yes... but the whole "1. join, 2. ask if there's ops or mods around, 3. !vista" thing is getting old
[08:49] <ikonia> elkbuntu: no no, I understand that, but the content of it now is not worth trolling
[08:49] <ikonia> eg: there is no argument
[08:50] <ikonia> it's polite, factual, helpful
[08:50] <ikonia> eg: !vista.....errr errrr, oh its good
[08:50] <elkbuntu> yes, but he does it because it gets reactions from the mere mention of 'vista' in a linux channel
[08:50] <ikonia> ahhhhhha
[08:50] <Myrtti> yes
[08:50] <ikonia> yes, that is a pain "don't mention microsux in a linux channel" etc
[08:50] <elkbuntu> he's using it to stir
[08:50] <ikonia> I don't understand why people bash it
[08:51] <Myrtti> he could do it in a) pm to the bot b) pm to an op he's done business with before c) here
[08:51] <Myrtti> but no
[08:51] <Myrtti> he does it in -ot
[08:51] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, he's not after the information at all
[08:51] <Myrtti> nope
[08:51] <Myrtti> just trolling
[08:51] <elkbuntu> he's after the reaction
[08:51] <ikonia> whats the status of the mediaubuntu repo's are they supported ?
[08:52] <elkbuntu> not sure, you'd have to ask cluey people such a -motu
[09:06] <jpatrick> ikonia: supported by the Ubuntu team?
[09:07] <ikonia> jpatrick: in any aspect
[09:07] <ikonia> I was under the impression it was dropped
[09:09] <jpatrick> Hmm, as I understand only the Medibuntu developers (https://launchpad.net/~medibuntu-maintainers) has rights there
[09:09] <bazhang> the exiztens guy is back :)
[09:10] <jpatrick> bazhang: don't you just love it when they come back for more
[09:10] <Myrtti> whut where
[09:10] <bazhang> main channel
[09:10] <Myrtti> oh
[09:10] <bazhang> jpatrick, :)
[09:10] <ikonia> jpatrick: thank you, thats as I understood it also
[09:11] <jpatrick> ikonia: by the look of their LP announcements, they've prepared packages for Hardy
[09:12] <ikonia> yes they have
[09:12] <ikonia> I've seen mixed results from people, hence my question
[09:12] <ikonia> jpatrick: too many people pointing at it as an easy fix
[09:12] <jpatrick> -> http://lists.medibuntu.org/pipermail/announce/2008-April/000001.html - they do have interesting highlights
[09:13] <ikonia> I like what they are trying to do
[09:13] <ikonia> not calling them for it
[09:22] <Myrtti> heads up Xcell
[09:25] <elkbuntu> ugh
[09:25] <elkbuntu> where?
[09:25] <Myrtti> #ubuntu
[09:25] <Myrtti> he might be a different person though
[09:26] <Myrtti> just noticed the nick
[09:26] <bazhang> no its him
[09:29] <ikonia> Daviey: do you have some sort of issue with me asking a quesiton about a bot in -uk ?
[09:30] <ikonia> Daviey: I'm asking here as I don't want to ask / make an issue in channel
[09:32] <ikonia> Daviey: please enlighten me as to what was wrong with asking about the bot ?
[09:32] <Seeker`> AIUI, bots are allowed in channels as long as the channel owners agree
[09:32] <ikonia> I didn't say they didn't
[09:32] <ikonia> ughh
[09:33] <ikonia> I didn't say they where not
[09:33] <ikonia> I've never seen the bot do it, and it was spewing out content from a site I've just had to spend time fixing with someone, so I asked if it was meant to advertise non-ubuntu links as solutions
[09:34] <Daviey> ikonia: This is OT for this channel.  #ubuntu-irc is the correct place, or pm
[09:34] <ikonia> fine, I'll join #ubuntu-irc or a pm, your choice?
[09:53] <Nafallo> hi. seems I have joined to many channels. can I get that extended?
[09:54] <Daviey> Nafallo: you need to speak to a freenode stafer, #freenode might be better
[09:54] <Daviey> staffer*
[09:55] <Nafallo> oh. thought they where here and due to my ubuntu-cloak I would go through here not to bother upstream as much.
[09:55] <Nafallo> also, I can't join #freenode :-P
[09:56] <Daviey>  /wc THEN /j #freenode :)
[09:56] <Daviey> oh, these noobs :)
[09:57] <Nafallo> have no channel I want to quit ;-)
[09:57] <Nafallo> actually. there is one.
[10:53] <elkbuntu> !noob
[11:11] <Mez> n00b != acronymn
[11:15] <Seeker`> n00b = statement
[11:33] <stdin> Myrtti/jussi01: for sed like replacement it's =~ not ~= (I know, why?), or you can use <sed>
[11:34] <jussi01> stdin: thanks! was wondering that
[11:35] <Myrtti> oh, I had it the other way around then
[11:36] <stdin> I do ~= a lot too, I may even edit the code to allow ~= sometime
[11:36] <jussi01> stdin: can you give me an example?
[11:36] <stdin> !test =~ /Failed/Failed!/
[11:37] <stdin> !test
[11:37] <jussi01> ahh, thank you very much :)
[11:42] <Mez> and (carrying on conversation from earlier) - noob is allowed dependant on the context
[11:45] <Myrtti> I still have the ongoing promise that a person giving rtfm as a sole answer is kicked
[11:46] <Myrtti> it applies atleast on the -fi channels when I visit them
[11:46] <Myrtti> rtfm is the reason I'm using ubuntu
[11:46] <Myrtti> and the reason I'm not using debian
[12:12] <nalioth> Hobbsee: tonyyarusso: axod is the owner of mibbit, so next time he arrives here, ask him to identify when making requests  ;)
[12:12] <nalioth> he has been very open to our suggestions in the past
[12:13] <jussi01> Ok peoples, we now have functional the intrepid package search :)
[12:13] <jussi01> !info waon intrepid
[12:16] <Myrtti> !info waon
[12:16] <Myrtti> jussi01: oh puhLEEZE
[12:16] <Myrtti> /me larts jussi01
[12:16] <stdin> Myrtti: I think ~= should work now too
[12:16] <Myrtti> stdin: cool
[12:16] <stdin> !test ~= /Failed!/Failed/
[12:17] <stdin> :)
[12:17] <jussi01> Myrtti: thats my package, of course Im going to use that one :P
[12:17] <Myrtti> jussi01: you did intrepid before you made gutsy the default.
[12:17] <Myrtti> -_____-
[12:18] <jussi01> huh?
[12:18] <jussi01> hardy is the default...
[12:18] <Myrtti> oh damn
[12:18] <Myrtti> I'm still living on a pre hardy time zone
[12:18] <jussi01> hehe
[12:18] <Myrtti> I'll get me coffee
[12:18]  * jussi01 hands Myrttia strong coffe
[12:19] <jussi01> I got to run. see you all later
[14:07] <lucent> I've been advised to show up here and apologize for my behavior in #ubuntu
[14:07] <bazhang> lucent you have an issue?
[14:08] <lucent> not really, I don't get paid to help out in #ubuntu, I would do it on my own time
[14:08] <lucent> it's fine with me if I don't fit in there
[14:08] <Pici> We're all volunteers there.
[14:09] <bazhang> lucent, none get paid
[14:09] <lucent> the way I was ejected from the channel a few minutes ago was unsavvy
[14:10] <bazhang> lucent you were not banned; you may rejoin
[14:10] <lucent> why would I return?  I was not made aware of what I did wrong
[14:10] <nalioth> lucent: #ubuntu is a support channel for the Ubuntu OS
[14:11] <nalioth> non support discussion should take place in #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere
[14:11] <lucent> so I've been told a dozen times already
[14:11] <lucent> it really says nothing to do with me
[14:14] <lucent> what I've joined here to say, is that it really bothers me a person would be treated this way, especially on the "main" IRC channel resource for Ubuntu
[14:15] <nalioth> lucent: don't feel singled out, we ask that all off topic chatters take their topics to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:15] <lucent> no one addressed the guy who was asking about Ubuntu being slow and crashing, I offered some advice
[14:16] <lucent> I've been asking about P+Q writing because it's something I want my OS to be able to do
[14:16] <lucent> and hard disks might be off topic but I'm only addressing a reply to an existing topic of discussion
[14:17] <lucent> I worked for 9 months in a datacenter and know a thing or two about failure rates of hard disks, so I'm offering a valuable contribution to a discussion in place
[14:18] <lucent> if you think that's worthy of kicking a person out of the channel, while the oper responsible is talking about unlocking iPhones and other dubious matters?
[14:18] <lucent> it doesn't add up.
[14:19] <bazhang> lucent that was directly related to getting a smartphone to work with ubuntu; another op said you were offtopic to which you responded to him 'you got a problem'?
[14:19] <lucent> yeah
[14:19] <lucent> well did he?
[14:19] <lucent> I don't know who's reading into this too much
[14:19] <lucent> I'm asking what am I doing wrong
[14:20] <lucent> someone tells me to "calm down"
[14:20] <lucent> I wasn't upset then, I was very confused why I'm being bot'ed with the rules
[14:23] <nalioth> because you were seen to be off topic
[14:23] <jrib> lucent: the durability of seagate hard drives is offtopic, it's not a support issue.  I asked that you move this to #ubuntu-offtopic.  For some reason, you are taking this as a personal attack.  It's not.  We're just trying to make sure that people get help with ubuntu issues in #ubuntu
[14:23] <lucent> that's fine, I wish I'd known that it was my remark about seagate drives before I was kicked from the channel
[14:24] <lucent> which is a topic of discussion from someone else
[14:24] <lucent> but whatever
[14:24] <lucent> I got singled out.
[14:24] <jrib> sometimes we miss things, that doesn't mean that you weren't offtopic
[14:24] <bazhang> lucent it was the abuse you offered subsequent to that
[14:24] <lucent> abuse?
[14:26] <jrib> "what the hell?"  "jrib: got a problem?"  seems more aggressive than "What exactly was offtopic?".  Maybe you didn't mean it to be aggressive, but that's how it seems
[14:26] <lucent> I don't know, you take that personally?   It's just text on a screen to me
[14:27] <jrib> Nope, I don't take it personally
[14:27] <lucent> I should hope not, it was only intended as stated.
[14:28] <jrib> which can be interpreted differently than what you intended.
[14:28] <bazhang> indeed
[14:30] <lucent> I'm not nice to people who spam me, okay? Sorry your being offended.
[14:31] <bazhang> best to ask for clarification then to immediately move to confrontation lucent
[14:31] <PriceChild> lucent: we ask that everyone in the very busy channel #ubuntu tries to stay on topic - ubuntu support. I hope we can move on?
[14:31] <Pici> Its bad etiquette otherwise.
[14:31] <lucent> yeah I don't consider this worth the time it's taking
[14:32] <jrib> agreed
[14:32] <Pici> alrighty
[14:32] <bazhang> too hasty?
[14:32] <ikonia> odd that someone is offended by getting text from ubotu, but then says "its no big deal it's just text to me"
[14:33] <Hobbsee> unsolicited text, probably
[14:34] <Pici> Some people dont like listening to bots.
[14:34] <ikonia> ubottu is getting better
[14:34] <LjL> uh what?
[14:34] <jrib> he's evolving
[14:34] <LjL> my drive says it's got 685 hours usage
[14:34] <Hobbsee> i'ts not permanent, though.
[14:34] <LjL> but that's not even a month on
[14:35] <jrib> LjL: integer overflow?
[14:35] <LjL> jrib: dunno, the raw attribute is "233"
[14:35] <LjL> sorry no that's the normalized attribute maybe
[14:35] <LjL> well so maybe overflow, but why do they make something that counts time able to overflow in a drive's lifetime? >:
[14:36] <LjL> they didn't make my car's mileage counter overflow
[14:36] <nalioth> LjL: did you have a meeting time and date preference ( to discuss bots and bantrackers )?
[14:36] <LjL> 25:00, february 29
[14:37] <Hobbsee> hah
[14:37] <jrib> LjL: I hope that's not the case, it was more of a joke :)
[14:46] <Myrtti> I'm getting tired over that one feller at ot
[14:46] <Myrtti> the joke is getting old
[14:47] <bazhang> vista?
[14:47] <Myrtti> no, Xcell
[14:47] <bazhang> wow I had to have a chat with him earlier too
[14:48] <Hobbsee> he's still banned in #ubuntu, afaik
[14:48] <bazhang> he was there earlier today
[14:49] <Hobbsee> hmm, i thought he was supposed to only come back in a week
[14:49] <Hobbsee> ompaul and LjL did it, iirc
[14:49] <bazhang> unless there are two xcell's
[14:49] <LjL> i don't remember the nick
[14:49] <Myrtti> Xce11 != Xcell
[14:49] <nalioth> no, they are the same
[14:50] <Myrtti> I know
[14:50] <nalioth> xceII and xcell
[14:50] <Hobbsee> jussi01: can you add ubottu to #ubuntu-x please?
[14:50] <Myrtti> but banwise they're not the same
[14:50] <tjaalton> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[14:50] <Pici> x?
[14:50] <bazhang> the one from ubuntu seemed the same when I talked to him today via PM
[14:50] <Hobbsee> Pici: yes, the one that draws pictures on hte screen.
[14:51] <Pici> Hobbsee: Ahh.. I thought it was some country code that I wasn't familiar with.
[14:51] <Hobbsee> Pici: :)  Xantarctica.
[15:06] <bazhang> serious 040 in offtopic
[15:06] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-x
[15:06] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ^
[15:07] <Hobbsee> thanks
[15:07] <jussi01> :)
[15:11] <tjaalton> thanks :)
[15:32] <bazhang> xcell ;[
[15:57] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: sure :)
[16:04] <jdavies> jussi01: could we get the bot in #ubuntu-meeting and the Webcal calendar on?
[16:05] <jdavies> jussi01: Webcal plugin that is
[16:05] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-meeting
[16:05] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[16:05] <jussi01> hrm
[16:05] <nalioth> jdavies: as you know, the bots are not up to spec yet
[16:05] <jussi01> oh, just a bit slow
[16:05] <jdavies> nalioth: doesn't it have the old plugins?
[16:06] <nalioth> jdavies: depends on who's running it
[16:06] <jussi01> @list
[16:06] <jussi01> webcal is loaded...
[16:07] <jdavies> @search Webcal
[16:07] <jdavies> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.url
[16:07] <jdavies> jussi01: should be http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical I think ^
[16:08] <jussi01> 1 sec
[16:08] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[16:08] <jdavies> and supybot.plugins.Webcal.doTopic = True
[16:08] <jussi01> :)
[16:09] <jdavies> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.doTopic True
[16:10] <jdavies> It hates me :(
[16:10] <Hobbsee> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.doTopic
[16:10] <bazhang> wow jono is in the channel :)
[16:10] <Hobbsee> ubottu: whoami
[16:10] <jdavies> bazhang: he has been since ages...
[16:10] <Hobbsee> methinks it went silent.
[16:11] <bazhang> jdavies, first time xchat user-->the jono has joined was a first for me :)
[16:11] <jussi01> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.url True
[16:11] <jussi01> :/
[16:11] <jdavies> jussi01: not the .url the .doTopic
[16:12] <jussi01> :/
[16:12] <Hobbsee> @help
[16:12] <jussi01> ok, leave it for a min
[16:12] <jdavies> hi JonathanS or... D
[16:13] <jdavies> errrr
[16:13] <Hobbsee> there we are...
[16:13] <Hobbsee> laggy bot
[16:13] <jussi01> bleh
[16:14] <jdavies> jussi01: @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.url http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[16:14] <jussi01> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.doTopic True
[16:14]  * jussi01 waits...
[16:14] <jussi01> jdavies: done already...
[16:15] <jdavies> jussi01: it's back in business in -meeting
[16:15] <jdavies> OH DAMN
[16:15] <Hobbsee> hey, it just did it in every channel.
[16:15] <Myrtti> someone is flooding it badly
[16:15] <jussi01> :/
[16:16] <Pici> someone?
[16:16] <jdavies> damn, we forget:  supybot.plugins.Webcal.defaultChannel
[16:16] <LjL> are the flooding it, or is it just trying to join too many channels now?
[16:16]  * Hobbsee suspect it trying to change topics in every channel wouldn't have helped.
[16:16] <Hobbsee> didn't manage -motu though
[16:16] <jdavies> LjL: it changed every channel without +t
[16:17] <Pici> Hobbsee: That was probably it
[16:17] <Myrtti> well for instance, Piero_Scaruffi showed a screenshot him using ubottu to get !love !hate and whatnot
[16:17] <LjL> nice
[16:17]  * jussi01 sighs :/
[16:17] <Hobbsee> gah, piero.
[16:17] <Myrtti> I expect there might be some other users that just abuse it
[16:17] <jdavies> jussi01: best do @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.defaultChannel #ubuntu-meeting
[16:17] <Pici> the bot might need a real reset
[16:18] <jdavies> or just edit the config by hand
[16:19] <bazhang> ubottu :(
[16:20] <Pici> ...
[16:20] <jussi01> ok, Ill kill it and restart it
[16:21] <Pici> jussi01: You may want to clear the set topic config from the config file after you kill it so
[16:22] <jussi01> sure
[16:26] <Myrtti> poor ubottu
[16:29] <jussi01> should be coming back up now... :(
[16:30] <jussi01> ok, leave it for a moment while it syncs
[16:30] <Myrtti> /me waits
[16:31] <jussi01> !test
[16:31] <jussi01> ok then.
[16:32] <stdin> jussi01: did you set the ical URL?
[16:33] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[16:33] <Pici> woo
[16:33] <jussi01> yep
[16:33] <jdavies> and the .defaultChannel?
[16:33] <jussi01> no, havent touched that yet... taking it slow...
[16:33] <jussi01> :D
[16:33] <stdin> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.defaultChannel
[16:33] <jussi01> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.defaultChannel #ubuntu-meeting
[16:34] <jussi01> :)
[16:34] <jdavies> OK
[16:34] <Pici> dotopic is a channel specific value, so you need to either specify ubuntu meeting or do the command there
[16:34] <Pici> @config list plugins.webcal
[16:35] <Pici> @config channel #ubuntu-meeting dotopic
[16:36] <Pici> I think you just need: @config channel #ubuntu-meeting plugins.webcal.dotopic true
[16:38] <jussi01> @config channel #ubuntu-meeting supybot.plugins.Webcal.doTopic True
[16:39] <jussi01> seems ok... :)
[16:40] <stdin> jussi01: you should run ntpdate once in a while
[16:40] <stdin> 6 May 18:42:26 ntpdate[993]: step time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -126.290227 sec
[16:41] <jdavies> ...
[16:42] <Hobbsee> Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ |
[16:42] <Hobbsee> is still missing
[16:43] <Pici> I suspect thats the topic fields
[16:43] <Pici> s/fields/field/
[16:44] <stdin> maybe that's something to do with supybot.plugins.Webcal.topic
[16:44] <Pici> stdin: Thats what I was trying to refer to
[16:45] <stdin> try settings it to, 'Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | %s'
[16:46] <jussi01> @config supybot.plugins.Webcal.topic 'Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | %s'
[16:47] <stdin> there it goes
[17:16] <jussi01> ok, Im heading out for abit. hopefully ubottu behaves herself
[17:20] <Myrtti> !ubotu
[17:20] <Myrtti> so ubottu's a girl and ubotu was a boy
[17:20] <Myrtti> good to know
[17:21] <stdin> it's temperamental, of course it's a girl
[17:21]  * stdin ducks
[17:21] <Myrtti> schmuck
[18:07] <mneptok> uh.
[18:07] <Pici> mneptok: uh?
[18:08] <mneptok> nick above
[18:08] <Myrtti> mneptok: don't scare us like that
[18:08] <Pici> kurt?
[18:08] <mneptok> aye
[18:08] <mneptok>  /w mneptok
[18:09] <mneptok> read that Daviey call and then read it again.
[18:09] <mneptok> that was merely the ocular processing. the brain worked on it 4-5 times before it sank in.
[18:09]  * jdavies hugs mneptok
[18:11] <Myrtti> I need better glasses
[18:12] <Myrtti> I scrolled up and down #ubuntu and couldn't see Daviey calling ops at all
[18:12] <Myrtti> >____<
[18:12] <jdavies> Myrtti: #kubuntu
[18:12] <Myrtti> jdavies: well, d'oh
[18:12] <Myrtti> I said I need better glasses
[18:13] <mneptok> Myrtti: my groping in blindness seems to be communicable.
[18:13] <Pici> Perhaps someone needs better ears
[18:19] <jdavies> Myrtti: odd, did I /remove him before I +o?
[18:20] <Myrtti> yes you did
[18:20] <stdin> I see you op, /remove and deop
[18:21] <Myrtti> [20:20] < sortudo_78> <><> Please! Why Ubuntu 8.4 does not detect my PCMCIA  modem, when i type lsusb     ?
[18:21] <Myrtti> LOL
[18:22] <Pici> lspcmcia
[18:24] <Myrtti> *bwurp*
[18:33] <Myrtti> getting bad wibes of -ot
[19:10] <Pici> jussi01: ping
[19:10] <Nafallo> because there is not 8.4, 8.04 though :-)
[19:11] <jussi01> Pici: pong
[19:11] <Pici> jussi01: Is http://jussi01.com/web/factoids.cgi okay to give out to a user to search within ubottu's factoid?
[19:12] <Pici> jussi01: or would you rather that stay private until we figure out whats going on with the bots?
[19:12] <jussi01> Pici: yes, however after some thought, its not something we want to put on the bot yet
[19:12] <Pici> jussi01: so... yes?
[19:12] <jussi01> yes
[19:13] <jussi01> Pici: if it starts to get too hammered, Ill be taking it down
[19:13] <Pici> jussi01: Understood
[19:37] <Pici> fde: How can we help you?
[19:38] <fde> Could someone please change the topic in #ubuntu to reflect issues with the main server? Also, could you suggest a factoid for further information, or advise what should be said?
[19:38] <jussi01> !slow
[19:38] <Pici> !lag
[19:38] <ompaul> is it something like this ?  http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[19:39] <fde> jussi01: thanks!
[19:39] <ompaul> main server? please choose a mirror or some such that is closer
[19:39] <fde> ompaul: it's effecting many people... even <countrycode>.archive.ubuntu.com is having issues...
[19:39] <ompaul> or has more bandwidth -- for example choose the Irish Mirror ie
[19:40] <ompaul> that has so much bandwidth it shifts more per day than kernel.org
[19:40] <jussi01> funet is good here
[19:40] <fde> ompaul: I have been advising to use a mirror, but I don't know if that's advisable, and I've typed it around 5 times in the last 20 mins... heh
[19:40] <ompaul> heanet.ie
[19:40] <ompaul> fde, it is most certainly advisable
[19:40] <Nafallo> fde: what mirror are you using at the moment?
[19:41] <ompaul> fde, that is how we get the internet not to stop ;-)
[19:41] <jdong> *sigh* Dear Interwebs: Planet Ubuntu, IMO, is not an appropriate place for wanted placards.
[19:41] <fde> ompaul: Can you create a factoid for the issue that I can use for people in the channel advising System > Administration > Software Sources method for that?
[19:41] <fde> Nafallo: I'm using osu's mirror, but I didn't know if I should be advising others to use another mirror...
[19:42] <ompaul> !repos
[19:42] <Myrtti> system - administration - software sources - ubuntu software ... download from Other ... Select Best Server
[19:42] <Nafallo> ah. us. no diea then.
[19:42] <Nafallo> idea even
[19:43] <ompaul> hmm
[19:43] <Myrtti> jdong: I was thinking about the same, though, the only gripe I've got is the cusswords
[19:43] <fde> Myrtti: Can you make that into a polite factoid for ubotu and friends please?
[19:43] <ompaul> !chrepo is <reply> system - administration - software sources - ubuntu software ... download from Other ... Select Best Server
[19:43] <Myrtti> I think there already is a factoid for it
[19:43]  * ompaul looks at the bot
[19:44] <Myrtti> I just can't remember which
[19:44] <ompaul> !search  best
[19:44] <Myrtti> !repomirror
[19:44] <Myrtti> there you go
[19:44] <fde> Myrtti: thank you  :)
[19:44] <Pici> !enablesources
[19:44] <ompaul> Pici, chrepo short for change repo one alias please
[19:44] <fde> Myrtti: Care to add that to the topic also, so some people can catch it before asking?
[19:45] <fde> (not that most actually read the topic, but some might... heh)
[19:45] <Pici> ompaul: I didnt add anything, enablesources has been there since january
[19:46] <Myrtti> Pici: since you did the previous topic change...
[19:47] <Myrtti> ah, the repomirror still has that error
[19:48] <Myrtti> !repomirror ~= /closest mirror to/fastest mirror for/
[19:48] <Myrtti> @login
[19:49] <Myrtti> !repomirror ~= /closest mirror to/fastest mirror for/
[19:49] <Myrtti> !repomirror
[19:49] <Myrtti> as silly as it sounds, when I was using HDSPA, the fastest mirror was in Estonia
[19:50] <ompaul> Pici, na
[19:50] <Myrtti> when in contrast the closest was in Finland
[19:50] <ompaul> what I meant was
[19:50] <ompaul> add a chrepo factoid as an alais
[19:50] <ompaul> alias even
[19:50]  * ompaul desk heads cos that is all his head is useful for today
[19:51] <Myrtti> ompaul: have a cookie
[19:51] <ompaul> back to mucking with 3g modems
[19:51] <ompaul> thanks
[19:51] <Myrtti> /me pours ompaul a mug of chamomille infusion
[19:51] <Pici> !chrepo is <alias> enablesources
[19:51] <Pici> ..
[19:52] <ompaul> !help
[19:53] <ompaul> :-(   /cs m ubottu arrr shutup then
[19:53] <Myrtti> !chrepo <alias> enablesources
[19:53] <Myrtti> nothing?
[19:53] <Myrtti> !chrepo
[19:53] <Myrtti> !chrepo is <alias> enablesources
[19:53] <ompaul> and I did not do any magic
[19:53] <Pici> ubottu: don't worry, no one thinks that
[19:54]  * ompaul goes back to a huawei E220
[19:54] <ompaul> game set and match to Pici
[19:55] <Seeker`> ubottu: chrepo is <alias> enablesources
[19:55] <stdin> !chrepo is foo
[19:55] <stdin> !no chrepo is <alias> enablesources
[19:55] <stdin> stupid bot
[19:55] <ompaul> stdin, understatement
[19:55] <ompaul> :)
[19:56] <stdin> I'll try to fix that, as soon as I figure out what's happening, what's not happening and what I want to happen :/
[19:58] <ompaul> stdin, the last is more important :)
[19:59] <ompaul> right there goes half an fsckin CD download horray
[19:59]  * ompaul apologises - today is not happy bunny day for ompaul - you might have guessed
[20:00]  * ompaul goes to play some real loud music
[20:00] <ompaul> :)
[20:04] <jdavies> Kraftwerk!
[20:10] <ompaul> na
[20:10] <ompaul> today it is the 80s
[20:10] <ompaul>  Marillion
[20:12] <ompaul> woops this is not -ot
[20:17] <jussi01> hehe
[20:38] <jrib> what the heck is floodbot doing?
[20:42] <jdavies> living up to its name
[20:44] <jdavies> LjL: please take a look into http://paste.ubuntu.com/10592/ (what jrib refers to... I think)
[20:46] <Pici> jdavies, jrib, LjL: just ban whatever hostname that that user is coming from (announced in #ubuntu-ops-monitor) if they are abusing mibbit
[20:47] <jrib> how do I get voiced there :)
[20:48] <jdavies> have a ubuntu/member/* cloak :)
[20:48] <Pici> jrib: poke nal I suppose, he has access
[20:49] <jrib> k
[21:15] <Mez> temporary voice :D
[21:25] <jdavies> Mez: ? in -monitor he means
[21:26] <Mez> ah, jrib you need an ubuntu cloak
[21:27] <jrib> erm
[21:27] <jdavies> jrib: /cycle
[21:28] <jrib> thanks
[21:32] <Myrtti> how can one make aliases for another channel?
[21:33] <ompaul> tere is -channel iirc
[21:33] <ompaul> there even
[21:34] <Myrtti> xubuntu needs altered one
[21:34] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[21:34] <ompaul> Pici, ^^
[21:34] <Myrtti> my chamomille infusion  hasn't yet cooled
[21:34] <Myrtti> applications - system - software sources
[21:34]  * ompaul needs someting
[21:34] <ompaul> I think some mint tea
[21:34]  * ompaul goes to watch a kettle boil
[21:35] <ompaul> :-)
[21:35] <Myrtti> I'll have to go buy more orange juice from lidl in glass bottles
[21:35] <Myrtti> their necks are wide enough to stuff two teabags in the bottle and even getting them out
[21:36] <Myrtti> and since the bottle tops are normal metal ones, I could even vacuumize the tea
[21:36] <Myrtti> I could have gazillion bottles of cool mint or chamomille infusion ready
[21:42] <ompaul> * ubuntuser (n=ubuntuse@ubuntu/member/ubuntuser) has joined #ubuntu-meeting /me thinks there is a self referential comment in there somewhere
[21:43] <ikonia> do you think he uses ubuntu ?
[21:43] <ompaul> ikonia, got to be a gentoo user has to be
[21:43]  * ompaul chuckles
[21:44] <Myrtti> see -ot
[21:44] <ikonia> yes, certainly gentoo
[21:45] <Myrtti> notice Winkies ident and host?
[21:45] <ikonia> is that the right nick ?
[21:45] <Myrtti> there's something fishy
[21:45] <ikonia> mega fisy
[21:45] <ikonia> unless he' making a personal statment
[21:46] <ikonia> ask him to change it
[21:46] <ikonia> see how he responds
[21:46] <ompaul> the domain
[21:46] <ikonia> it could be an inocent thing
[21:46] <Myrtti> there's something fishy that all those channel newbs became vocal all of a sudden
[21:46] <ikonia> there is a uk domain regisered in the camen isleands
[21:46] <ikonia> island
[21:46] <ikonia> that works at as "trashbat.co.ck"
[21:46] <ompaul> uk ?
[21:46] <ikonia> so it could be something as inocent as a teenage fan
[21:46] <ikonia> ompaul: camen islands
[21:47] <Myrtti> cayman?
[21:47] <ikonia> thats the one
[21:47] <ompaul> ahh
[21:47] <ikonia> .co.ck
[21:47] <ompaul> ohh
[21:47] <ikonia> now you see it
[21:47]  * ompaul blind
[21:47] <ompaul> hahahaahaha
[21:48] <ikonia> what I mean is it could be something as inoccent as that
[21:48] <ikonia> not appropriate, but the same idea
[21:48] <ikonia> I guess how he reponds to "could you change it" would guage that
[21:50] <ikonia> Myrtti: did you mean for caps ?
[21:50] <Daviey> cook islands
[21:50] <Myrtti> yes
[21:50] <ikonia> Daviey: is it cook, I thought it was caymen ?
[21:50] <ikonia> could be cook
[21:52] <stdin> hmm, bunny in -meeting
[21:52] <ikonia> I'll take questions afeter the meeting starts ?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> why do i have a feeeling i didnt read ageda that closely after someone removed him from here :(
[21:52] <ikonia> who is bunny ?
[21:52] <ompaul> I did
[21:52] <Daviey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ck
[21:52] <ompaul> and he tried trolling me
[21:53] <ompaul> in #gnewsense
[21:53] <ikonia> Daviey: nice find, thats the one
[21:54] <jdong> hands on *what*?
[21:54] <jdong> crap wrong channel
[21:54] <gnomefreak> his logs are not complete
[21:54] <gnomefreak> that cant be good for him
[21:55] <ikonia> I'm very dissapointed with bunny's topic
[21:55] <ikonia> I think this will be an interesting discussio
[21:55] <gnomefreak> +1
[21:55] <ikonia> discussion
[21:55] <ikonia> it's almost like it was written by someone else......
[21:57] <ikonia> somneones gone to a reasonable level of effort to register tatterdmoons.org anonymously
[21:58] <gnomefreak> is bunny paladine?
[21:58] <gnomefreak> or is he just spamming the meeting?
[21:59] <gnomefreak> should this be brought up to mdke prior to meeting?
[22:00] <ikonia> a lot of the information on the page carries no eveidence
[22:00] <ikonia> such as the use of bad language
[22:00] <ikonia> eg: 12:55 bum bum bum
[22:00] <ikonia> see I can falsly put that into a html doc
[22:01] <nalioth> i find it very amusing
[22:01] <gnomefreak> they are all taken out of context in his "logs"
[22:02] <ikonia> exactly
[22:02] <ikonia> I could put a page up saying "X is a known troll 12:55 blah blah"
[22:02] <ikonia> but it doesn't ammount to anything
[22:02] <ikonia> or get anyone anything
[22:02] <gnomefreak> im wondering if i shouldnt ping one of the members and say he didnt add his point to ageda i would like all of it ignored
[22:03] <gnomefreak> until he puts it on ageda
[22:03] <nalioth> we do not know who, exactly, bunnyrevolution is, gnomefreak
[22:04] <gnomefreak> nalioth: he spammed -meeting with his page
[22:04] <gnomefreak> staff can ID him?
[22:05] <nalioth> gnomefreak: let us watch our language.  just because _you_ may not like it, it's not spam
[22:05] <nalioth> i think the sabdfl and crew can properly parse it for what it is
[22:06]  * gnomefreak goes back to watching :(
[22:07] <ompaul> mneptok, ping on the side pm please
[22:08] <gnomefreak> his name is supybot that is why we removed him personally :)
[22:10] <ompaul> and as a side comment - seen in burges - I live in the city that farrell is from and we do talk like that ;-) it is the vernacular as they say
[22:10] <stdin> the page says the author is unknown and the logs have clearly been edited, their fore, worthless
[22:11] <gnomefreak> he is someone we know well just need to ID him because he went out of his way very out of his way to protect his ID
[22:12] <ompaul> a bunny revolution - spin a bunny on a spit over an open fire - after you used your knife and shotgun ;-)
[22:13] <stdin> and what's *eenode? how many are there?
[22:14] <tonyyarusso> gleenode:  For all of you barbershop quartet discussion.
[22:14] <tonyyarusso> *your
[22:16] <gnomefreak> who is cristal
[22:16] <Seeker`> what page are poeple talking about?
[22:16] <gnomefreak> crystel
[22:16] <gnomefreak> sxehe doesnt have one anymore he stated hobbsee removed his comments
[22:16] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: ^^^
[22:17] <nalioth> gnomefreak: head of freenode staff
[22:17] <ikonia> how do you interupt politly within the meeting, eg: what is the polite thing ?
[22:18] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[22:18] <gnomefreak> ah i remember her now
[22:19] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: put it in parenthesis maybe?  Or, if you can figure out who's keeping things on schedule, PM it to them to bring up at a more appropriate time.
[22:19] <ikonia> a tad late, but noted
[22:19] <ikonia> thank you
[22:20] <gnomefreak> ah wgrant new nick :)
[22:22] <wgrant> gnomefreak: I've had this for over a week now.
[22:22] <gnomefreak> last i saw your old name was over 3 months ago :)
[22:22] <wgrant> I guess it would have been.
[22:25] <Myrtti> /me rolls eyes
[22:26]  * gnomefreak still scrolling to find where i lefft off
[22:27] <Seeker`> I dont think this meeting can achieve anything
[22:27] <Myrtti> I honestly feel sick.
[22:28] <gnomefreak> its not going to its just a bunch of this that this that
[22:28]  * gnomefreak hands Myrtti  a barf bag
[22:28] <juliux> in ubuntu-de we learned just ignore them;)
[22:31] <Myrtti> FCOL
[22:33] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: I highly doubt it as well.
[22:33] <wgrant> We'll see - don't lose all faith just yet.
[22:33] <Myrtti> I've given up already
[22:33] <tonyyarusso> true enough
[22:33] <Myrtti> I'm too emotional and stuff for this
[22:34] <Myrtti> makes my heart break
[22:38] <Myrtti> come hell or high water, I don't want to be there anymoe
[22:42] <fde> I'm trying to add a factoid to ubottu "chmirror is If your current mirror is slow, please try going go System > Administration > Software Sources, in the "Ubuntu Software" tab, towards the middle, you will find "Download from:" and a drop down list, select "Other" and browse to a mirror near you or simply click "Select Best Server". Thank you."
[22:42] <wgrant> What good is the meeting if all the ops leave? :(
[22:42] <jrib> !repomirror
[22:42] <fde> However I'm not on its list of allowed editors or whatever, so could someone that does have permission add that?
[22:43] <jrib> fde: already there I think?
[22:43] <fde> I'm dumb, thanks jrib
[22:43] <Myrtti> !no chmirror is <alias> repomirror
[22:43] <Myrtti> !chmirror is <answer> temp
[22:43] <jrib> fde: no problem, thanks all the same :)
[22:43] <Myrtti> !chmirror is temp
[22:43] <Myrtti> !no chmirror is <alias> repomirror
[22:43] <Myrtti> !chmirror
[22:43] <Myrtti> there we go
[22:44] <Myrtti> wgrant: I just couldn't be there anymore
[22:47] <ikonia> Hobbsee: are you here please
[22:47] <LjL> hardly at this time i'm afraid
[22:47] <ikonia> dblast
[22:48] <Myrtti> didn't someone just break their system using ubuntugeek tutorials?
[22:49] <juliux> LjL, don't worries
[22:49] <juliux> LjL, we hade a smiliar issue in the german channels
[22:49] <LjL> i'm not worrying
[22:49] <LjL> i was worrying before i left
[22:50] <juliux> LjL, drink a beer and read the log
[22:50] <juliux> ;)
[22:50] <LjL> the logs won't be updated for some hours i think
[22:51] <ikonia> Myrtti: yes
[22:51] <ikonia> I request ubuntu-uk's bot stop advertising it
[22:52] <Myrtti> since doug_ just linked to it
[22:54] <juliux> LjL, do you know the story about neoxan?
[22:55] <Pici> I'd appeciate some more ops being in meeting, I really don't have enough information to answer some of these questions.
[22:56] <LjL> juliux: sort of
[22:56] <LjL> Pici,
[22:56] <juliux> LjL, so cool down;)
[22:56] <LjL> if i'm in a position to answer questions,
[22:56] <Pici> LjL: I know you were there, I saw you leave
[22:56] <LjL> then i'll join and answer questions.
[22:56] <LjL> otherwise,
[22:56] <LjL> i won't join or answer questions.
[22:58] <stdin> ikonia: the -uk bot just posts links to blogs from planet ubuntu-uk, so you'd need to get them removed from the planet
[22:59] <ikonia> stdin: yes, I've made that request
[22:59] <ikonia> that it's considered as a tool about what/how it outputs
[22:59] <ikonia> I only saw it today for the first time, but it's a know bot and gives out good content normally
[23:01] <Seeker`> afaik, he has been removed from the uk planet
[23:02] <ikonia> oh, I didn't want that to happen
[23:02] <ikonia> I wasn't asking for him to be removed
[23:18] <Seeker`> ikonia: it was popeys decision
[23:19] <ikonia> fair enough
[23:19] <ikonia> it's his channel
[23:19] <ikonia> that wasn't my intention though
[23:19] <Seeker`> its not permanent - he'll be readded if he cleans up his tutorials
[23:20] <gnomefreak> ikonia: watch it dont go overboard in there
[23:21] <ikonia> I'm out
[23:21] <LjL> i'd say "overboard" is the very definition of it all
[23:21] <gnomefreak> just a freindly warning thats all
[23:22] <Pici> I'm glad that we're getting back to a more civilized discussion
[23:22] <Pici> Rather than the free for all before
[23:22] <gnomefreak> LjL: i agree i wasnt here for all of this i caught the backend of emma in -party and she went at hobbsee but thats the first and almost las t i heard about it
[23:23] <LjL> for almost all
[23:23] <popey> 23:19:06 < ikonia> it's his channel
[23:23] <popey> it isnt
[23:23] <gnomefreak> but honestly most of the complaints against emma have been documented in !commands for a long time example pm
[23:23] <popey> i just removed it from the planet and asked him to clean up his how-tos
[23:23] <popey> he said he would
[23:23] <popey> so the community is working with gogs to clean up his how tos
[23:24] <popey> i see this as the best way forward
[23:24] <Seeker`> popey++
[23:25] <ikonia> popey: I didn't mean your personal channel
[23:25] <popey> ok
[23:26] <popey> i just wanted to clarify that it wasnt my opinion that it _was_ my channel, thats all
[23:26] <ikonia> popey: bad choice of words
[23:26] <ikonia> "your one of the main points of contact" would have probably been more factually correct
[23:28] <jrib> ha, ubuntu-sucks.com goes to launchpad :)
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> used to go to ubuntu.com
[23:29] <gnomefreak> brb smoke again
[23:29] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: put the fire out?
[23:29] <gnomefreak> that would mean quiting :(
[23:31] <Pici> jrib: I think it should forward to bugs.ubuntu.com. :P
[23:32] <tonyyarusso> haha, that works
[23:33] <Pici> That was sarcasm.
[23:34]  * juliux feels with all other irc ops
[23:43]  * Pici gives Mez some buckets and a bilge pump
[23:46] <jdong> a WHAT?
[23:46] <jdong> oh *bilge*
[23:48] <Myrtti> what on earth is going on at -ot
[23:49] <Pici> Myrtti: dunno, watching -meeting still
[23:59] <PriceChild> Well I think that went well?
[23:59] <tonyyarusso> Seems to.
[23:59] <tonyyarusso> Gotta run to class though, more thoughts later perhaps.


[02:17] <El-E-Va-Tion> could somebody help me to install a driver please?
[02:34] <lifeless> El-E-Va-Tion: what do you mean?
[02:34] <El-E-Va-Tion> I installed 12.10 and this realtek wireless driver won't work on it lol
[03:58] <bjsnider> how impateint of him
[21:27] <TheMuso> 898SB8BB/c
[22:49] <jasoncwarner> morning everyone!
[22:56] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner: Hey there, how was your break?
[22:56] <RAOF> Mornin' all!
[22:57] <jasoncwarner> hey RAOF how was the new year and holiday?
[22:57] <RAOF> Nice!
[22:57] <RAOF> It involved much baby-holding.


[10:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:35] <mparillo> KDE Frameworks 5.74 landed for me in GG. I already had it from the staging-frameworks PPA, but I got it again. No dead kittens this time either.
[11:55] <santa_> there's 3 packages not migrated though
[11:55] <santa_> we also have to update kio
[11:56] <santa_> RikMills: do you want me to upgrade kio to the .1 version now that everything is (almost) out of -proposed ?
[11:56] <RikMills> fine by me
[18:31] <santa_> hi everyone
[18:32] <santa_> RikMills: kio is ready to upload (if you haven't already, we have some things stuck in -proposed because of glibc :|
[20:40] <RikMills> santa_: I don't see it in git
[20:40] <RikMills> glibc is just 'meh'
[20:42] <santa_> RikMills: sorry I forgot to push, should be there now
[20:45] <RikMills> santa_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/5.74.1-0ubuntu1
[20:47] <santa_> RikMills: thanks! btw I realized we can't use ppa-build-status against the archive
[20:47] <santa_> which could be handy given we have no way to check riscv symbols
[20:48] <RikMills> santa_: yeah, I gathered that from the context of your ka changes
[20:48] <santa_> we can't enable that arch in our PPAs yet
[20:49] <RikMills> santa_: fyi, bileto ppa builds will do riscv64, so I can copy to one of those if we really want
[20:49] <santa_> aha
[20:50] <santa_> in any case I think I should start the rework of the info tools for KA >= 2.4
[20:50]  * RikMills nods
[20:51] <santa_> that code gives me coronabugs XD
[20:52] <RikMills> :P


[12:44] <swalko> thorwil: hi
[12:45] <thorwil> swalko: hi. i knew it was you before even looking :)
[12:45] <swalko> :-D
[12:46] <swalko> thorwil: i finished small "guide" for working with one canvas workflow
[12:49] <thorwil> swalko: where is it?
[12:49] <swalko> thorwil: it must be reviewed i mean
[12:50] <swalko> thorwil: my native language isnt english
[12:50] <swalko> thorwil: and two heads more know
[12:52] <thorwil> swalko: sure. that was my idea. you write it, i can take care of language issues
[12:52] <swalko> thorwil: may you review that guide an correct bugs/mistakes ?
[12:52] <thorwil> yes
[12:53] <thorwil> swalko: create a wiki page with it, but don't link to it, just post the link here
[12:54] <swalko> thorwil: ok i try to do something :)
[13:17] <swalko> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilanKrivda
[13:21] <thorwil> swalko: i think that's all correct. however, isn't it easier to work from one of the icons in the repository?
[13:22] <swalko> thorwil: yes it maybe, but after then you have not clean svg (ae gradients)
[13:23] <swalko> thorwil: but we may do svg without gradients with simple objects
[13:23] <swalko> thorwil: if i understand good
[13:23] <thorwil> swalko: i don't understand how it has anything to do with gradients
[13:24] <_MMA_> swalko: Also, this is very specific to what we're doing in Breathe. There are many ways this setup can work. jimmacs is somewhat different from mine for example.
[13:25] <_MMA_> swalko: Unless that is your goal. I thought you were going for a generic guide.
[13:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: are there SVGs in breath that conform to the template, but havn't been edited at all?
[13:25] <_MMA_> thorwil: For Breathe, yeah.
[13:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: his goal is a Breathe specific guide
[13:26] <swalko> _MMA_: you may edit that wiki
[13:26] <_MMA_> thorwil: Wait. "but haven't been edited at all?" What do you mean? Like just blank icons in the set?
[13:26] <thorwil> _MMA_: with this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilanKrivda, you have to look for the proper name and all. is that a process you would encourage?
[13:26] <swalko> _MMA_: i posted it only for review / correction
[13:27] <thorwil> _MMA_: placeholders, basically
[13:27] <_MMA_> thorwil: I though about it but it would mean there would be blank icons generated. That would be bad.
[13:28] <thorwil> _MMA_: so if someone wants to work on an icon that wasn't already a submission, what swalko wrote are the steps to be taken?
[13:29] <_MMA_> thorwil: /Pretty/ much.
[13:31] <thorwil> _MMA_: how about you tell him where to move that wiki page to, to then link it? i can fix the few language issues then
[13:31] <_MMA_> I already did. I moved to front page. You or I can edit.
[13:32] <_MMA_> Under "Workflow".
[13:32] <thorwil> _MMA_: i will, you cab check afterwards for the finer subtleties of your native language ;)
[13:33] <_MMA_> k. The template part is now redundant. So we should take it out of swalkos info.
[13:33] <_MMA_> brb
[13:34] <swalko> _MMA_: i used redundant part from breathe pages
[13:35] <_MMA_> swalko: No. You don't understand. We'll fix it.
[13:37] <swalko> _MMA_: i understand,
[13:38] <swalko> _MMA_: today i uploaded fixed text-x-generic
[13:39] <swalko> _MMA_: now i want traverse oxygen icons mimetypes and choose usable icons for breathe mimetypes
[13:40] <swalko> _MMA_: or is it bad idea?
[13:42] <_MMA_> swalko: I have ideas for that. I'll handle it.
[13:43] <_MMA_> swalko: I'll still look at your fix.
[13:43] <_MMA_> What was broken?
[13:44] <swalko> _MMA_: in 16x16 size frame was blurred
[13:44] <swalko> _MMA_: there wasnt white background
[13:45] <swalko> _MMA_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons/MimeTypes
[13:45] <_MMA_> The background thing was already fixed,
[13:45] <swalko> _MMA_: but on wiki it isnt
[13:45] <_MMA_> Ill look at it.
[13:46] <swalko> _MMA_: after that you may kick out that icon from wiki
[13:46] <_MMA_> swalko: I also want you to remove icons your done with or have better revisions for.
[13:46] <_MMA_> ie: calculator.
[13:47] <swalko> _MMA_: ok
[13:47] <swalko> _MMA_: attachments too?
[13:47] <thorwil> yes
[13:48] <_MMA_> swalko: If you make a better version, always remove older ones.
[13:49] <swalko> _MMA_: sometimes i dont know if is newer version better :)
[13:50] <swalko> _MMA_: if you want use some icons from oxygen in svn are version for smaller sizes too
[13:52] <swalko> wiki updated
[13:52] <_MMA_> swalko: I regularly pull their revisions. At some point, it doesn't matter what they're doing because we're simply taking inspiration from them. We don't *need* to use their stuff. I'd rather new things be drawn from scratch. (new)
[13:53] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[13:54] <_MMA_> swalko: Since we already added you text to the Breathe front page, futher edits should be done there after thorwil is done.
[13:54] <thorwil> still have to rephrase point 4, but coffee break now :)
[13:54] <thorwil> bbl
[13:54] <_MMA_> k
[14:02] <swalko> _MMA_: i know, but on wiki is wroted "We start with a base Oxygen set and replace the icons as suitable ones are created. The idea is to create as modern a set as Oxygen but with that distinctly Human feel."
[14:03] <swalko> _MMA_: i talked about that
[14:13] <_MMA_> swalko: Sure. But that doesn't mean you *have* to take from Oxygen. Sebastien has drawn all his from scratch.
[14:14] <_MMA_> swalko: It simply has to fit with what we're doing.
[14:20] <swalko> _MMA_: i am taking something from oxygen?
[14:20] <swalko> _MMA_: mimetypes arent taken?
[14:21] <_MMA_> swalko: I'll be working on the mimetypes.
[14:22] <_MMA_> I have a different idea than simple white paper with an image on it.
[14:23] <swalko> _MMA_: that is good, because i meaned on that too
[14:23] <_MMA_> swalko: They will be changed.
[14:23] <_MMA_> I'll be using the same basic shape but different.
[14:24] <swalko> _MMA_: i like "mimetype" in botoom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Discussion
[14:24] <swalko> bottom
[14:25] <_MMA_> swalko: How about you work on Emblems or the "shortcut" image?
[14:28] <_MMA_> swalko: Emotes would also be nice.
[14:29] <swalko> _MMA_: i have one favourite emotes and i think their will not be exceeded
[14:29] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'm confused, are there 1 or 2 text objects required?
[14:30] <swalko> thorwil: 2
[14:30] <swalko> thorwil: one labeled context
[14:30] <swalko> thorwil: second labeled icon-name
[14:34] <_MMA_> swalko: Regardless if you think we can't "exceed" your favorite Breathe still needs some. You're welcome to try your hand at creating some.
[14:40] <swalko> _MMA_: i mean i cannot exceed that emoticons
[14:40] <swalko> _MMA_: i may try shortcut emblem
[14:40] <_MMA_> ok
[14:41] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[14:42] <thorwil> swalko: you might want to have a look at the wiki code to avoid manual numbering and lots of <<BR>> in future ;)
[14:44] <swalko> thorwil: first time what i posted something on ubuntu wiki :)
[14:44] <_MMA_> thorwil: We should add a note about vacuuming defs there also. I've cut file sizes down by over half before. It doesn't matter for the set as it's built into the script but it matters for the source.
[14:44] <thorwil> _MMA_: ok, but my hands are off the wiki for a bit now :)
[14:45] <_MMA_> np
[14:45] <thorwil> step 6 is by far the hardest thing to get
[14:45] <thorwil> swalko: thanks for your writeup, btw :)
[14:46] <swalko> thorwil: nfw. good work
[14:46] <swalko> thorwil: yes it is complicated to write
[14:46] <swalko> thorwil: i mean pictures may help
[14:47] <thorwil> swalko: be careful with "nfw", it commonly stands for a no fucking way. or a bunch of other things you surely don't mean http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/NFW
[14:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: I might keep my "start-here" button and use the new one as "distributor-logo" since it supersedes "start-here".
[14:48] <swalko> thorwil: :)
[14:49] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'd prefer either submission to your start-here icon, as it looks damn aggressive
[14:49]  * thorwil uses a recent checkout on his desktop
[14:53] <_MMA_> thorwil: "Aggressive"? I don't see it at all. :) But your preference is noted.
[15:23] <swalko> thorwil: what you mean? http://picasaweb.google.com/milan.krivda/Breathe#5309353469841218146
[15:24] <thorwil> swalko: yes
[15:24] <swalko> thorwil: perspective may be tweaked to better fit
[16:11] <_MMA_> swalko: You could also look at doing some of the hardware icons. Like printers, scanners and such. And note that I didn't say you *can't* use the ones from Oxygen. It would just be nice to draw new ones. But starting with theirs and adding or tweaking is fine.
[16:12] <_MMA_> swalko: Note that with some of the HW like printers that emblems are also used. Those, I prefer we do ourselves from scratch.
[16:13] <swalko> _MMA_l: some icons for hw may fit after tweaking from oxygen, but most hw icons must be drawed ... i mean
[16:15] <swalko> _MMA_l: because (for me personally) oxygen hw icons are drawed in different styles from one to one
[16:15] <swalko> _MMA_: some icons for hw may fit after tweaking from oxygen, but most hw icons must be drawed ... i mean
[16:16] <swalko> _MMA_: because (for me personally) oxygen hw icons are drawed in different styles from one to one
[16:16] <swalko> i used bad nick
[16:16] <_MMA_> swalko: That's why you take what feels right and tweak or redraw. I know the deal. ;) Do what you like.
[16:17] <_MMA_> swalko: You just said the same thing I said 3 different ways and I repeated myself. :) I'm just giving you suggestions here.
[16:17] <swalko> _MMA_: :)
[16:19] <_MMA_> swalko: Let's treat each other like we both know what's going on. There are some things that just don't need to be said. We all understand what needs to be done to create a set generally.
[16:21] <swalko> _MMA_: ok ;-)
[16:57] <_MMA_> dashua: I'd like to use the light menu version of Dark Suit for the alt desktop project.
[17:25] <dashua> _MMA_: Ok, cool.  I'll make the changes, unless you wanted to hack it.
[17:26] <_MMA_> dashua: You dropped the light menus?
[17:26] <dashua> This is a different theme.
[17:26] <dashua> Miu is the other although a bit different.
[17:26] <_MMA_> Ahh.... Yeah. Duh. I remember now. :P
[17:27] <_MMA_> Scratch what I said. Man I can't pull it together today.
[17:27] <dashua> Ah ,np.
[17:28] <_MMA_> dashua: But, I'd still like to use you for a custom variant or one of your themes for alt-desktop still.
[17:28] <dashua> Alright, sounds good.
[17:28] <dashua> I just figured I make something like that Balthazar theme as people really seemed to like it.
[17:29] <dashua> But it needed a lot of work IMO.
[17:29] <dashua> was*
[17:29] <_MMA_> dashua: We need a GDM to go with your theme and alt-desktop. :)
[17:30] <dashua> I need to figure out how to make one ;]
[17:31] <_MMA_> dashua: Don't worry for now. I'm looking to gave more activity on alt-desktop in a few weeks. I need so shape up more of the base 1st.
[17:31] <_MMA_> s/gave/get
[17:31] <dashua> Ok, cool.
[17:31] <dashua> Out for lunch.  Bbl. :]
[19:50] <swalko> _MMA_: i have one question
[19:53] <thorwil> my advice: just ask the question, don't ask to ask
[20:18] <swalko> thorwil: i want to talk about tray icons
[21:10] <swalko> thorwil: updated help-about and applications-science
[21:10] <swalko> thorwil: what you mean?
[21:13] <thorwil> swalko: you need to make the dot of the i a bit wider for it to look as wide as the stroke
[21:13] <swalko> thorwil: np
[21:13] <thorwil> swalko: i like the green fluid. looks like liquid science :)
[21:13] <thorwil> gotta go, good night! :)
[21:13] <swalko> thorwil: bye
[21:13] <_MMA_> night
[22:42] <knome> we're doing a gdm theme for xubuntu. any input is welcome: http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-gdm-mockup-3.png
[22:43] <knome> i'm not very good at doing realistic things, so if somebody would have some advice to get it looking more realistic easily, that would be very welcome.


[15:59] <inetpro> .
[17:34] <squish102> what is the easiest thing to use to setup a vpn service so that I can have my windows browser trafic go over vpn (without lots of clients installed)
[17:35] <squish102> i used to use pptpd and that was easy from a windows side to configyre
[18:14] <squish102> ok used openvpn, but had to install openvpn on PC
[18:21] <MaNI> just install opera and browse in private mode :p
[18:21] <MaNI> or use firefox and one of the dozen plugins for that or something
[18:40] <squish102> does that still report my ip from where I am browsing?
[19:01] <MaNI> opera private mode has a built in vpn
[19:01] <MaNI> and various firefox plugins for this also exist
[19:02] <MaNI> it works perfectly fine for avoiding geoblocks or avoiding casual tracking - but obviously if it is for criminal activity or something that requries actual privacy you'll have to shell out for a proper vpn as you probably don't want to trust the people hosting those vpns...


[03:31] <sergio-br2> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf0 in position 5: invalid continuation byte
[03:31] <sergio-br2> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/183200320/libretro-libretro-stella-libretro.log
[03:31] <sergio-br2> what's this?
[03:33] <sergio-br2> ah, i think i found the problem
[03:34] <sergio-br2> stella/stubs�Stubs.hxx
[03:34] <sergio-br2> it's this
[09:52] <jpds_> 1~/2
[11:16] <jgdx_> anybody else having trouble pushing/pulling from launchpad? Known issue?
[11:16] <wgrant> Yes, we're just fixing it now.
[11:16] <wgrant> One of the servers is a bit overloaded.
[11:16] <jgdx> wgrant, thanks
[11:16] <patrickas> i was about to ask the same thing
[11:16] <patrickas> thanks
[11:16] <wgrant> Should be happier again shortly.
[11:46] <karni_> "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" when bzr pulling -- known issue?
[11:49] <karni> Anyone? Is this the right channel to ask for feedback on launchpad status?
[11:49] <JoshStrobl> Hey guys, I've been getting bzr ssh_exchange_identification issues when trying to push to bzr. Worked as of 15 hours ago. Any tips?
[11:49] <karni> JoshStrobl: same here, I asked a couple minutes ago. maybe someone will notice.
[11:50] <JoshStrobl> karni, nice to know I'm not the only one...I guess :D
[11:50] <karni> ;)
[11:50] <rmescandon> JoshStrobl, me also
[11:51] <JoshStrobl> yea, seems like a wider issue.
[11:51] <rmescandon> ey, now it has worked!
[11:51] <JoshStrobl> yep, just worked for me too
[11:51] <karni> rmescandon: heh, yup
[11:51] <JoshStrobl> alrighty then
[11:52] <JoshStrobl> Right then, guess I'll linger in case I have issues again.
[14:30] <mjt> hello.  What's a way to subscribe another my email address to bugmail in launchpad?  The link "Subscribe to bug mail" only allows to subscribe "Yourself"
[14:31] <dobey> i don't quite understand what you're asking. you want to subscribe an e-mail address that doesn't have an lp account, to a bug?
[14:31] <mjt> yes
[14:32] <dobey> you can't
[14:32] <mjt> my intention is to subscribe mjt+$projectid@mydomain so bugs for that project will be sorted to the right folder
[14:32] <mjt> i'm subscribed as mjt+launchpad@mydomain
[14:33] <mjt> ah. i can add new addreses in personal preferences
[14:33] <teward> i think it only subscribes your primary to the bug notices
[14:33] <teward> case in point i only get one email for my bug subscriptions, at my primary email addy
[14:34] <dobey> you can add another e-mail address to your account
[14:34] <teward> dobey, can you route bug subscriptions to both, or only one?
[14:34] <mjt> < mjt> ah. i can add new addreses in personal preferences
[14:34] <mjt> it should ask which address to use, when adding, i think :)
[14:35] <dobey> teward: https://launchpad.net/~/+structured-subscriptions
[14:35] <teward> dobey, E: 404 failures
[14:35] <teward> (Lost Something?  window)
[14:35] <dobey> err
[14:35] <dobey> teward: https://launchpad.net/~/+structural-subscriptions
[14:35] <dobey> typoed
[14:35] <teward> ahhh there we are
[14:36] <dobey> but doesn't look like you can change the e-mail
[14:36] <dobey> so yeah, bugs only go to primary
[14:36] <teward> right, that's what I thought...
[14:36] <mjt> yeah, it doesn't ask which email to use when subscribing
[14:36] <mjt> :(
[14:36] <dobey> mjt: if you just want to filter bugs to folders, there are special headers you can filter on
[14:37] <mjt> i'll have to, apparently, yes
[14:37] <mjt> using +foo is just so much easier
[14:37] <mjt> but ok
[14:37]  * dobey would just prefer to not get any bug e-mails ever
[14:38] <teward> dobey, heheh, that works for me if and only if i weren't tracking all the nginx bugs xD
[14:38] <teward> (alas I have to :/)
[14:39] <dobey> teward: well, launchpad has a really nice API. so a nice app to manage bugs would be nicer, i think :)
[14:40] <teward> mhm
[14:40] <teward> dobey, TBH I'm too lazy to code such an app, have fun if that's your thing :)
[14:40]  * teward has to finish redoing his firewall anyways
[16:53] <sergio-br2> hey
[16:54] <sergio-br2> I need to use a old gcc version in one package
[16:54] <sergio-br2> so, if i put this in the rules:
[16:54] <sergio-br2> CC = gcc-4.8
[16:54] <sergio-br2> CXX = g++-4.8
[16:54] <sergio-br2> and put this in the control: gcc-4.8, g++-4.8
[16:55] <sergio-br2> will it compile against gcc 4.8 ?
[17:15] <sergio-br2> ?
[17:16] <dobey> export CC=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)-gcc-4.9
[17:16] <dobey> you want to do something like that, but with 4.8 instead of 4.9
[17:17] <dobey> in the rules
[17:19] <sergio-br2> and for g++?
[17:19] <sergio-br2> export CXX=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)-g++-4.8
[17:19] <sergio-br2> like that?
[17:19] <dobey> yes
[17:20] <sergio-br2> great, thanks
[17:26] <hassoon> when i write   bzr branch lp:~bi0ha2ard/stellarium/planes, does that download the planes folder located there to my machine? i'm new with this launchpad thing
[17:29] <dobey> planes is the branch name, yes
[17:29] <dobey> stellarium is the project name
[17:29] <dobey> and bi0ha2ard is the owner of that branch
[20:37] <mapreri> I can't upload to my ppa's:
[20:37] <mapreri> Logging into host ppa.launchpad.net as mapreri
[20:37] <mapreri> Failed to auth. Prompting for a login pair.
[20:37] <mapreri> please login: Username: ^C%
[20:38] <mapreri> something known?
[20:42] <Sarvatt> are the builders broken? for some reason everything I upload is dying during the build and there aren't any logs, like https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ubuntu/sru5/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[20:44] <Sarvatt> hmm seems to just me amd64 now, earlier it was both. https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ubuntu/sru9/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all from another PPA
[20:58] <Sarvatt> looks like its all fine now after a third rebuild attempt
[20:59] <dobey> maybe some psychic was cloud busting? :)
[21:53] <rocketnine> hey guys, i submitted an initial package 10-15 minutes ago, and haven't received an email and the PPA page hasn't updated.  the builders page lists a lot of idle workers.  is it still possible that it's just delayed, or did i goof?
[21:59] <tsimpson> rocketnine: make sure you signed the .changes file and that the key you signed it with is registered with launchpad
[22:03] <rocketnine> aha, missed the step of publishing my key and setting it up in launchpad. thanks
[23:01] <rocketnine> when trying to add my new ppa with add-apt-repository, i'm getting "Error: signing key fingerprint does not exist"
[23:01] <rocketnine> i read that this can occur if the package wasn't built/published yet
[23:01] <rocketnine> but i've ensured that it was built successfully and published
[23:06] <rocketnine> nevermind!
[23:06] <rocketnine> :)