[06:10] <Stereotype> Why would you want ATI anyway?
[06:10] <timothy> crimsun: same place, in the kernel line?
[06:10] <crimsun> timothy: yes.
[06:10] <tritium> hams, with the version in Warty?
[06:10] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB: do you have HL:2?
[06:10] <hams> i guess all version, as it is unsolved...
[06:11] <tritium> hams which bug are you looking at?
[06:11] <hams> http://lists.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/pipermail/vpnc-devel/2004-November/000387.html
[06:11] <Dreamer3_> nvidia is the card to get now, eh?
[06:11] <tritium> hams, oh, you're on amd64?
[06:11] <Orcrist> so now that I've got x working (finally) and xfce... exactly what script to I need to put it in to run x at boot time?
[06:11] <Orcrist> wow, this is really stripped down :)  I love it
[06:11] <Stereotype> nVidia *nix support is the best.
[06:12] <hams> tritium, yes. is threre any other? :)
[06:12] <tritium> oh, well you never mentioned that.  lots of packages are buggy on amd64
[06:12] <Lathiat> Is there something to report bugs under for the livecd?
[06:12] <daniels> tritium: eh? such as what?
[06:12] <daniels> Lathiat: yeah, bugzilla
[06:12] <Lathiat> daniels: yeh but like how do i enter it-- what "package"?
[06:12] <tritium> daniels, I've been seeing lots of talk of evolution on amd64, for one, being buggy
[06:12] <tritium> now vpnc
[06:12] <brainZzZ> so buggy and weird
[06:12] <Lathiat> it doesnt detect vmware graphics -- and leaves the xorg.conf with no Device section
[06:14] <tritium> brainZzZ, which?  evolution?
[06:14] <brainZzZ> You showed up at the wrong phase of channel evolution, friend.
[06:14] <daniels> Lathiat: xserver-xorg, keyword 'livecd'
[06:15] <Lathiat> daniels: ahh, cheers
[06:16] <wasabi_> So ubuntu amd64 bit
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: to run a non-gnome window manager, you normally put it in ~/.xsession and use startx or the default session in gdm
[06:16] <wasabi_> does it have 32 bit compat libs yet?or is it pure 64?
[06:16] <wasabi_> i have a few closed source apps I *must* run.
[06:17] <Orcrist> well I don't have gdm installed
[06:17] <Orcrist> right nwo I'm using startx and it's finding xfce by default
[06:18] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: well, use startx or xdm if you have that
[06:18] <Orcrist> I gave up on the installer after it gave me another lame error, and I'd rather not use xhost now that I think about it... so I installed the .deb package for it and all is well
[06:18] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: OK well is that a problem?
[06:18] <Orcrist> well here's the thing thoreau... I'm building it as an emulation box for nes, sega, etc
[06:18] <timothy> crimsun: OK, so I added 'noapic' and it froze after this line: *Starting hotplug subsystem... modprobe: error inserting pwc (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc.ko) unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter
[06:18] <Orcrist> so I want as little keyboard interface as possible
[06:18] <timothy> crimsun: and actually, I noticed that when booting without noapic, it also gave that line but boot past it
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: heh - that's outside my area of knowledge ;)
[06:19] <Orcrist> well the basic idea here is that I want to put it on my tv and only plug a keyboard into it when somethign goes wrong
[06:20] <Orcrist> I've got lirc configured and the on-screen keyboard so if I absolutely have to, I can type things in... but I want it to boot straight to x and then on to xfce
[06:20] <Orcrist> if I can get it to x, then xfce will come up by default as it's my only WM, so no gdm necessary
[06:20] <Lathiat> Is there a username/password I can use to login to the console of the livecd? (it doesnt get X working, and I want to get some lspci information etc)
[06:20] <Orcrist> but how to automate that, I dunno
[06:21] <Orcrist> I may have to have gdm just to get a logon
[06:21] <az[a] zel> hey
[06:21] <az[a] zel> airport extreme (broadcom chipset) doesn't work with the new ubuntu powerpc live cd (hoary) does it?
[06:22] <az[a] zel> device manager could identify what it was, but I had no wireless access
[06:22] <wasabi_> dont' think it works for anything
[06:22] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: No, no ones written a linux driver for it
[06:22] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: its closed spec and no ones reverse engineered it
[06:22] <wasabi_> specs are closed, etc etc.
[06:22] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel: I echo wasabi_
[06:22] <az[a] zel> I plugged in my DWL-122 USB wireless key, and that loaded the driver, but I couldn't work out how to connect to my network
[06:22] <wasabi_> heh.
[06:22] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: do you have the network applet in your panel?
[06:22] <wasabi_> I was lucky and got an airport 1
[06:22] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: yeah, but it only showed lo
[06:23] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: desktop -> administration -> networking
[06:23] <Lathiat> desktop as in desktop menu up the top
[06:23] <az[a] zel> yup
[06:23] <Lathiat> should be able to set it up in there
[06:23] <az[a] zel> I'll have another go tonight
[06:23] <az[a] zel> DWL-122 is prism2 based
[06:24] <az[a] zel> I got it to work on Mandrake once on a PC, but it was really painful to setup
[06:24] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: its easy in ubuntu :)
[06:24] <paulproteus> Does hoary support linux-wlan-ng configuration from the network applet?
[06:24] <paulproteus> It sucked in Warty; I had to write my own scripts.
[06:24] <az[a] zel> I had to vi /etc/prism_something.conf and hack something into it, and I had to download the firmware from the net, and compile the firmware downloader program
[06:25] <az[a] zel> hopefully the prism2 firmware is on the hoary live cd
[06:26] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: http://bur.st/~lathiat/wireless-setup.png
[06:26] <az[a] zel> yeah in that dialog I didn't see "wireless connection", only modem and wired ethernet
[06:27] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: with the dlink?
[06:27] <brainZzZ> didn't see the video...doesn't plan to see it either
[06:27] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: yeah
[06:27] <Zotnix> Anyone know if there is a package that installed the program 'ant'
[06:27] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: hrm maybe its not supported properly then
[06:27] <az[a] zel> maybe if I keep it plugged in during the entire boot process
[06:27] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: that shouldnt make a difference
[06:28] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: tonight I'll have another play with it, and see if the firmware is being downloaded onto it
[06:28] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: without the firmware, it's just two green leds on a usb stick :)
[06:29] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: yeh :)
[06:29] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: wouldnt one of those be cool tho ;p
[06:29] <aToaster> Ahah, just got CounterStrike:Source to work on Linux and it looks terrible with my x800
[06:30] <brainZzZ> I graduated with my degree in May
[06:30] <paulproteus> All right, I'm dist-upgrading to hoary.
[06:30] <paulproteus> On the blind hope that it supports linux-wlan-ng bettery.
[06:30] <paulproteus> better.  (This is on my iBook G4.)
[06:31] <Lathiat> paulproteus: you could try the livecd
[06:31] <paulproteus> Lathiat: That makes sense, too.
[06:31] <paulproteus> And would be less stupid.
[06:31] <Lathiat> altho hoary is much cooler
[06:31] <Lathiat> but i mean thats always true of development releases i guess
[06:31] <paulproteus> Well, I'll use apt-get's --download-only option, so I can dist-upgrade later.
[06:32] <az[a] zel> oh no sleep with ubuntu and ibook? :(
[06:33] <az[a] zel> according to the wiki anyway
[06:33] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel: correct
[06:33] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel: the display darkens, but no suspend/sleep
[06:33] <Lathiat> i thought they fixed suspend to ram on ibooks
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: well, I have Warty here - maybe in Hoary (I hope so !)
[06:35] <brainZzZ> oh i hope so
[06:36] <neom> Quick question if I may..
[06:36] <neom> Is there a bash command to display the current ip?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> neom: just ask :)
[06:36] <thoreauputic> ifconfig
[06:36] <neom> if or ip?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> if
[06:36] <neom> ffs.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> ?
[06:37] <paulproteus> neom: There is a program stored in the directory /sbin/ called "ifconfig".
[06:37] <neom> Been sitting here for the past hour trying to work out why "ipconfig" wasn't workking. :|
[06:37] <paulproteus> You can run /sbin/ifconfig in a terminal.
[06:37] <paulproteus> az[a] zel: I have an iBook G4 kernel that suspends to RAM.
[06:38] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: actually its in the $PATH so ifconfig will do
[06:38] <paulproteus> Email me about getting a copy, and I'll put it online with directions.
[06:38] <paulproteus> I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>.
[06:38] <ChaosZ3RO> I have sound working, but I have to turn my sound way up on my stereo to hear anything at all. My mixers all say that the sound is at 100% though. Anyone know what could be wrong?
[06:38] <paulproteus> ChaosZ3RO: Make sure you've looked at the ALSA mixer.
[06:39] <ChaosZ3RO> Yeah, everything's turned up.
[06:39] <paulproteus> Also, some soundcards have a "DCM" option or something that you can mute or unmute.
[06:39] <daniels> 'pcm'
[06:39] <paulproteus> Play with that, too.Mine is called "DRC Range".  When muted, the laptop gives REALLY LOUD output at max volume, and when not muted, it's very quiet.
[06:40] <paulproteus> daniels: Not PCM, I meant DRC Range.
[06:40] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I mess with that?
[06:40] <ChaosZ3RO> I'm on a laptop as well
[06:40] <paulproteus> It should be in the mixer.
[06:40] <paulproteus> It shows up in alsamixer for me, as well as the GNOME mixer thing.
[06:40] <paulproteus> I wish I could never unmute, because every once in a while it gets muted (sometimes on boot) and that sucks.
[06:40] <az[a] zel> seems other people were having issues with the d-link usb thing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4041
[06:41] <ChaosZ3RO> Don't have that option
[06:41] <paulproteus> daniels: Is linux-wlan-ng going to work in hoary like iwconfig-able interfaces?
[06:41] <paulproteus> (That is, will life with a prism2 usb wifi stick suck less?)
[06:42] <|QuaD-> is anyone here familiar with getting networking to work with qemu
[06:42] <daniels> paulproteus: ... i don't know ...
[06:42] <paulproteus> daniels: Okay. :)
[06:43] <ferris> where can I learn about cvs?
[06:43] <ferris> like cvs for ID10T's?
[06:43] <az[a] zel> !google "cvs howto"
[06:44] <az[a] zel> damn, need a google bot
[06:45] <newter> Any one know how to get around a lockup after the 2nd stage of the install.  There are no errors durring the boot procress, it just locks up on the beggening after it gets booted to the welcome screen to start system configuration?
[06:45] <newter> the live cd wrks just fine, but the install cd is giveing me issues]
[06:46] <neom> "configuration error, no acceptable c compiler found in $PATH".
[06:46] <neom> (tring a config on irssi)
[06:46] <JDahl> newter, you could try to boot with acpi=off and see if it makes a difference
[06:47] <newter> I gave that a try, it didnt make a diffrence
[06:47] <brainZzZ> but on irc it wouldnt make much of a diffrence
[06:47] <jasonf> brainZzZ: pci=noapic <-- have you tried that?
[06:47] <brainZzZ> I think the far Left tried that on the Chicago cops at the Democratic convention in 1968.
[06:47] <ChaosZ3RO> Anyone else have any ideas how to fix my sound?
[06:48] <regeya> okay who let the markov bot loose on #ubuntu
[06:49] <kakalto> how do you extract *.deb files?
[06:49] <kakalto> I go into nautilus, double-click them, and it doesn't work
[06:49] <kakalto> I assume I have to do something in the root terminal?
[06:49] <JDahl> kakalto, I dont think you can.. why do you need to?
[06:49] <newter> JDahl: would it use the same boot settings I set on the first install process or would I have to give it the options at the 2nd stage boot process.
[06:49] <regeya> brainZzZ is one of the most convincing markov bots I've seen, really
[06:49] <brainZzZ> Planning is the only worthwhile exercise, really.
[06:50] <regeya> indeed.
[06:50] <regeya> brainZzZ
[06:50] <brainZzZ> I saw that article regeya
[06:50] <kakalto> JDahl, I'm transferring .deb files to another computer, so I can have those modules on the other computer
[06:50] <ircleuser> hey hey guys
[06:50] <neom> make
[06:50] <neom> wrong keyboard.
[06:51] <JDahl> kalalto, you can install them with "sudo dpkg -i xxx.deb", but you dont have to extract them
[06:51] <brainZzZ> and it means if you have one, you dont have to work and you can race your car all day
[06:51] <regeya> someone tell me why the interesting things seem to happen in perl-space, when there are cleaner scripting languages out there.  that ought to be a simple one.  brainZzZ?
[06:51] <brainZzZ> it can be done in a number of ways but ".adduser someone" and ".chattr someone +a" is a simple one.
[06:51] <regeya> I see!
[06:52] <neom> anyway, when running a configure on irssi, I get the errors, aclocal-1.4 .. missing, autoconfig..missing autoheader..missing.. makeinfo..missing gcc..no cc..no cl..no configuration error, no acceptable c compiler found in $PATH
[06:52] <ircleuser> how do you change your nickname in irc
[06:52] <ircleuser> i don't remember
[06:52] <neom> /nick bah
[06:52] <paulproteus> ircleuser: Type:
[06:52] <regeya>  /nick whatever
[06:52] <paulproteus> Erm, never mind. :)
[06:52] <ChaosZ3RO> Anyone have any ideas how to get my sound working better? My sound is very quiet and I have to turn my stereo up to do anything.  He booted the Live CD and played with The GIMP for an hour or so.
[06:57] <Lathiat> Amaranth: funk :)
[06:57] <Lathiat> my mum doesnt think its too bad, but gthumb is still a little confusing
[06:57] <Lathiat> maybe f-spot will get better
[06:58] <jmhodges> hrm.. anyone know the kernel module for a toshiba mk4250 hard drive?
[06:59] <jmhodges> or where i should look for list of that sort of thing
[06:59] <Boohbah> i am trying to install ubuntu in vmware but when it tries to update the apt repositories after install it always hangs my whole system. anyone got ubuntu running in vmware?
[06:59] <brainZzZ> DHCP doesn't work in Redhat 9 in Vmware 4
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Boohbah: maybe try setting the network manually?
[07:00] <Amaranth> brainZzZ: Sounds like a problem for #redhat. :)
[07:00] <brainZzZ> sounds like a problem
[07:01] <hams> what's a good choice for an ftp server?
[07:01] <Lathiat> hams: proftpd
[07:01] <thoreauputic> brainZzZ: say no to DHCP and set gateway, IP etc yourselfin the install
[07:01] <brainZzZ> you didnt try to run the bot from the installdir, did you?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> oops, that was for Boohbah
[07:02] <Boohbah> thoreauputic: it reaches the network fine and starts downloading packages but always dies during the update
[07:03] <Goofyy> I'm having trouble getting the ethernet card to work on Ubuntu. It seems it can't get DNS info. Maybe not talking nice with my adsl router?
[07:03] <Boohbah> i'm pretty sure it's an issue with vmware on my system, so maybe i shouldn't ask this channel ;)
[07:03] <Agrajag-> hey all, im having trouble with mounting an nfs share, i'm getting "mount: RPC: Program not registered" when doing mount. other machines are mounting the same share i'm trying to mount. any ideas?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> hmm... perhaps skip the update and try it after installing with sudo apt-get upgrade?
[07:03] <aToaster> how do I find out the samba shares on the network in command line?
[07:04] <Boohbah> maybe i'll just get the livecd and burn it
[07:04] <Agrajag-> aToaster: smbclient
[07:04] <Boohbah> thoreauputic: how can i disable the automatic update right after install?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> Boohbah: I was asked if i wanted it during the install - "do you want to get files fromthe internet" or similar
[07:05] <aToaster> Agrajag-: know what option gets me a listing of all the samba shares?
[07:06] <Boohbah> thoreauputic: ok, so i just say no to that option and apt-get upgrade later?
[07:06] <|QuaD-> does anyone know how to use network settings in qemu?
[07:06] <brainZzZ> i'll have to say no to that myself
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Boohbah: yes, that should be fine
[07:07] <thoreauputic> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:07] <Boohbah> ok, i will try it again in vmware
[07:08] <Xirdneh> hi there, question, i have a wireless WLAN 1450 dual band, already installed the driver and made a modprobe ndiswrapper... ndiswrapper told me this:Installed ndis drivers:
[07:08] <Xirdneh> bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present
[07:08] <Xirdneh>
[07:09] <Xirdneh> but still nothing :s
[07:10] <Fazer> Hi
[07:10] <Xirdneh> any ideas why?
[07:10] <Fazer> Can anyone tell me why I get Kernel panics when I boot the live cd?
[07:10] <toresbe> Fazer: what sort of kernel panics?
[07:11] <Fazer> toresbe: failure to init or someting like that
[07:11] <Fazer> when the splash screen appears
[07:11] <Fazer> then it just stops and hangs right there
[07:11] <toresbe> Fazer: That's about as specific as "My washing machine is broken, plz help, what's wrong with it?"
[07:11] <Fazer> toresbe: something to do with init
[07:11] <Fazer> after I get past the splah screen.
[07:11] <toresbe> Fazer: Well, that could mean a lot of things
[07:12] <neom> Is ssh turned off or something in ubuntu?
[07:12] <Fazer> toresbe: this occurs when I am using the Live CD
[07:13] <neom> I tried to ssh from my windowz box to it, and it didn't go.
[07:13] <Fazer> it is after it recognizes the hard drives and what not
[07:13] <Fazer> toresbe: I don't know what else to say
[07:13] <Fazer> Someone told me that to use "noscan" in the options.
[07:13] <toresbe> neom: SSH is turned off on the livecd
[07:13] <Fazer> err in the arguments rather
[07:13] <rempresent> how can i log onto my brothers computer which is running windows?
[07:13] <rempresent> using samba
[07:14] <toresbe> rempresent: Uhm, that's easy.
[07:14] <toresbe> rempresent: GIYF. :)
[07:14] <rempresent> then shoot
[07:14] <toresbe> Fazer: Tried not doing that?
[07:14] <zenrox> rempresent,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:14] <Fazer> toresbe: Uh yeah
[07:14] <gobeavs> what is GIYF?
[07:14] <neom> toresbe - How do I turn it back on?
[07:14] <eyequeue> neom:  if you want it, sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[07:14] <gobeavs> never seen that acronym
[07:14] <Fazer> eyequeue: What's the root password on the Live CD?
[07:15] <toresbe> Fazer: Is none
[07:15] <eyequeue> Fazer:  there is not one, root is not a ubuntu thing really
[07:15] <eyequeue> Fazer:  root is also disabled if you install ubuntu
[07:15] <Fazer> ah okay
[07:16] <eyequeue> toresbe:  tha's okay, we know the feeling, heh
[07:17] <toresbe> it's 07:16... in the AM.
[07:17] <Fazer> When you guys actually do help, it's a good thankful feeling.
[07:17] <Fazer> it's 1:16 in the AM.
[07:17] <Fazer> toresbe: where in Europe?
[07:17] <Slaven> 07:17
[07:17] <toresbe> Norwaynia
[07:17] <calamari_> help kybd not work  why   did  before
[07:17] <Slaven> (Sweden)
[07:17] <Fazer> Norway!
[07:17] <unperson> If you're using a synaptics touchpad, is roll of of the SHMConfig option in the X config just to allow reconfiguration on the fly?  Assuming you aren't going to want to readjust the settings often, is there any reason not to just put the settings you want in the X config and leave it at that?
[07:18] <toresbe> Slaven: mycket bra, sta bror
[07:18] <Fazer> Bra
[07:19] <Fazer> yes, I like bras too
[07:19] <Slaven> sta bror? :P
[07:19] <toresbe> Fazer: bras are nice things :P
[07:19] <calamari_> help kybd not work
[07:19] <Fazer> toresbe: I concur.
[07:19] <toresbe> calamari_: how are you typing?
[07:19] <Slaven> that's norwegian talk!
[07:19] <toresbe> Slaven: It's a Norwegian expression for Sweden, when we like you :P
[07:19] <toresbe> "Svenskefaen" when we don't :P
 calamari_: how are you typing?
[07:20] <Fazer> by moving fingers
[07:20] <Fazer> and applying pressures to various keys
[07:20] <Fazer> right?
[07:20] <Slaven> toresbe: I imagine the latter is the most frequently used.
[07:20] <toresbe> Fazer: No, but his "kybd" is broken
[07:20] <Fazer> hahah
[07:20] <toresbe> Slaven: Swedes have cheap booze - we like booze.
[07:20] <toresbe> Thus, we like Swedes.   I'll remember that for the next time my swedish friend comes online
[07:23] <Slaven> Jaja, jvla norrmn!
[07:23] <calamari_> no pushed unknown combo in console window
[07:24] <toresbe> calamari_: try ctrl-q?
[07:24] <toresbe> in the console window, that be
[07:24] <toresbe> calamari_: Try unplugging and putting back the KB
[07:24] <Slaven> Breakfast.
[07:25] <rempresent> ok, i read the guide, but it doesn't say how to connect to someones computer, just how to share
[07:25] <rempresent> how can i connect to someones computer using samba
[07:25] <rempresent> his computer name is butter
[07:25] <regeya> guh.  can't believe I'm actually considering using perl for a project at work (been using python for a while)
[07:25] <regeya> and on that note, I need sleep.
[07:25] <Agrajag> either mount the share using smbfs, or use nautilus
[07:26] <calamari_> ok
[07:26] <calamari_> i CAN TYPE AGAIN.. KINDA
[07:26] <regeya> good night, brainZzZ!
[07:26] <rempresent> how do you mount using smbfs
[07:26] <brainZzZ> good night, thanx
[07:26] <regeya> holy moly
[07:26] <toresbe> calamari_: For varying values of "can type", ues
[07:26] <toresbe> yes*
[07:26] <eyequeue> rempresent:  man smbclient
[07:26] <toresbe> bah
[07:26] <calamari> dd
[07:26] <Agrajag> sudo mount -t smbfs //computer_name/sharename /mount/point
[07:26] <calamari> must be a loose connection
[07:26] <regeya> brainZzZ: rool the balufe salunary quapo
[07:27] <Agrajag> you may have to use the ip address instaed of the name
[07:27] <brainZzZ> then went for coffee
[07:27] <regeya> :(
[07:27] <zenrox> rempresent,  read www.ubuntuguide.org to firuer out how to mount smb shares
[07:27] <calamari> jiggled it and it started working..
[07:27] <calamari> thanks :)
[07:27] <toresbe> calamari_: noprobs
[07:28] <Agrajag> hey why are there two of me here?
[07:28] <toresbe> Agrajag: There's not, you're just drunk
[07:28] <Agrajag> Agrajag-: do you suppose you could pick a different name?
[07:28] <calamari> one weird thing about it is that everything got really slow while it was no working
[07:28] <calamari> but ubuntu didn't crash.. coolest os ever :)  charmap was seriously lacking in some respects tho.. no numbers or spaces
[07:29] <Fazer> heheh
[07:29] <Fazer> kybrd
[07:30] <Fazer> yep
[07:30] <Fazer> so, how is everybody?
[07:30] <eyequeue> Fazer:  rhymes with freebird
[07:30] <Fazer> or thunderbird
[07:30] <eyequeue> i do with there was a .deb for sunbird, on that note
[07:30] <eyequeue> s/with/wish/
[07:31] <Fazer> what's sunbird?
[07:31] <Agrajag> mozilla's calendar
[07:31] <aToaster> Ah... the ubuntuguide is wrong on how to mount samba shares, the filesystem type needs to be specified before the address is called
[07:31] <eyequeue> Fazer:  firefox/thunderbird/sunbird :: web/email/calendar
[07:32] <Amaranth> reworking of Mozilla Calendar like Firefox was a reworking of Mozilla Browser
[07:32] <Fazer> ooh
[07:32] <Amaranth> It uses iCal format files too.
[07:32] <zenrox> aToaster,  thats what works for me
[07:32] <Fazer> thanks
[07:32] <Fazer> that must be cool
[07:32] <Fazer> bah linkin park sux
[07:33] <aToaster> zenrox: you mean the ubuntuguide.org directions work for you?  I couldn't get it to work until I specified -t smbfs before the //server/dir
[07:33] <zenrox> ya that part is wrong
[07:33] <zenrox> i put my shares in my fstab
[07:33] <zenrox> that i mount
[07:34] <aToaster> zenrox: ah I c, hey, do you know why at boot it wont mount my windows sda1, but after I boot I can run mount -a and it mounts fine?
[07:34] <brainZzZ> i lived with my brother while i was out here, and it was cool spending some time with him, and i feel kinda guilty feeling this way,
[07:35] <Fazer> brainZzZ: why do you feel guildy feeling that way?
[07:35] <talibkweli> does anyone know if there is a ntfs resizer program on the ubuntu live cd
[07:35] <brainZzZ> why do you feel like ****?
[07:36] <zenrox> aToaster,  didja put the password in the fstab
[07:36] <regeya> Fazer, markov bot
[07:36] <regeya> brainZzZ, you're a clever little idiot, aren't you?
[07:36] <aToaster> zenrox: why would I need a password for mounting a disk thats on my comp? it's another hard drive that I have windowsxp on
[07:36] <brainZzZ> aren't you 14 now, regeya.
[07:36] <heliolith> is there an alias in .bashrc I can add to create a warning if i'm about to overwrite a file via cp or mv? the standard -v -i doesn't do that apparently... but gnome does
[07:37] <regeya> brainZzZ, lol I have 14 mules
[07:37] <eyequeue> heliolith:  -i works for me
[07:37] <brainZzZ> lol i have a guy at work
[07:37] <regeya> brainZzZ, guy at work is 14 mules
[07:37] <zenrox> aToaster,  hmmm thats odd what do you have in your fstab past it in a mesage
[07:37] <brainZzZ> and how embarrassing if you have to deal with some guy at work who you had *** with and got bored with!
[07:37] <eyequeue> heliolith:  alias mv='mv -i'
[07:37] <regeya> brainZzZ I don't understand ****
[07:37] <brainZzZ> i don't understand that
[07:38] <aToaster> /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[07:38] <aToaster>   zenrox: that what your asking?
[07:38] <heliolith> eyequeue: eep egad my bad! thanks
[07:38] <zenrox> aToaster,  right after umask=0222 put ,defaults
[07:38] <zenrox> thats why
[07:39] <aToaster> so... /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222,defaults      0       0
[07:39] <heliolith> back to linux.org/lessons (= thanks!
[07:39] <zenrox> aToaster,  yep
[07:39] <eyequeue> heliolith:  parallel aliases for rm and cp here too
[07:39] <regeya> brainZzZ idiot
[07:39] <brainZzZ> ******g idiots
[07:39] <aToaster> zenrox: thanks!
[07:40] <daniels> brainZzZ, regeya: watch your language.
[07:40] <zenrox> aToaster,  n/p
[07:40] <brainZzZ> the atkins diet just teaches you how to watch your carb intake
[07:40] <zenrox> brainZzZ,  its also a fad diet
[07:40] <brainZzZ> but my point is that if you stop choosing to eat overly processed junk food, you'll cut out all those high carb foods rather than needing to buy fake food in order to pretend you're eating carbs since carbs are verboten in your new special fad diet
[07:40] <nevyn> daniels: did you see the size of the nforce3 audio driver?
[07:40] <aToaster> lol, how did we come upon the atkins diet in this chat?
[07:41] <daniels> nevyn: nope
[07:41] <unperson> I have xscreensaver set to not lock my terminal when it comes on.  Yet, it seems that if I'm running my laptop on battery it will lock the terminal when the screensaver comes on.  What up wit dat?
[07:41] <daniels> 06:41 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with brainZzZ
[07:41] <daniels> 06:41 <brainZzZ> [13:38]  Tcl error in file 'eggdrop.conf':
[07:41] <daniels> good god, it's not even a well-configured markov bot
[07:41] <nevyn> daniels: didn't you just get a nforce3 for amd64?
[07:41] <eyequeue> heh
[07:42] <Fazer> wb
[07:42] <daniels> nevyn: nf4, but haven't fully set it up yet (need a new psu)
[07:42] <nevyn> daniels: you may want to hack the i810 driver instead of using the binary one.
[07:43] <nevyn> it does mixing, multiopen, reverb and chorus in software in kernelspace
[07:43] <zenrox> whats the least cpu intensive screen hack
[07:43] <zenrox> becides blank screen
[07:43] <nevyn> and you read the stuff on ACPI and nforce on amd64?
[07:43] <daniels> nev	heh
[07:44] <Amaranth> daniels: odd, that was a real person earlier
[07:44] <nevyn> daniels: jaymz looked at the symbol table.
[07:46] <Fazer> http://i.timeinc.net/time/2004/wireless/spokane/photos/05.jpg <-- Holy shit that cop is hot
[07:47] <unperson> Where is the .Xdefaults file located?
[07:47] <Agrajag> unperson: in your home directory
[07:47] <daniels> Fazer: dude, offtopic
[07:47] <zenrox> in spokane i live 200 miles from that crack infested town
[07:48] <Fazer> daniels: Oh, sorry
[07:48] <thoreauputic> unperson: you might have to create one ( touch .Xdefaults )
[07:48] <unperson> Agrajag:  Hmm...ok, thanks.
[07:49] <unperson> thoreauputic, Thanks.  Actually, I don't need one at this point.  I wanted to see what was in it, if it existed.
[07:49] <djtansey> how do you make ubuntu do automount with passing options like user_xattr?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> unperson: I see. I don't have one here (Warty) haven't needed it (yet)
[07:50] <aToaster> I wish there were better looking xmms skins =/
[07:51] <Stereotype> aToaster: Use WinAmp Skins, instead.:-/
[07:51] <aToaster> Stereotype: ah didn't know you could do that
[07:51] <thoreauputic> aToaster: try beep-media-player - xmms skins look better with it :)
[07:52] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player :)
[07:52] <Slaven> hm
[07:52] <Slaven> how do you install winamp themes?
[07:53] <unperson> thoreauputic, Well, apparently me neither.  I'm just taking wild guesses at why my screensaver decides to lock the terminal when on battery.  Thought maybe it was reading a different config file.
[07:53] <Stereotype> Should be the normal way.
[07:53] <Slaven> nvm
[07:53] <Slaven> hittade
[07:53] <Slaven> argh -- I found out how, I mean.
[07:54] <aToaster> Slaven: how?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> unperson: hmm.. power management feature/bug ?
[07:56] <aToaster> whats a good filesharing program for linux?  (other than bit torrent)
[07:56] <Stereotype> LimeWire?
[07:57] <Stereotype> http://www.limewire.com/
[07:57] <Slaven> aToaster: http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles/5.html
[07:57] <Slaven> so it's really just about renaming from .wsz to .zip
[07:57] <randabis> GIFT is good too
[07:57] <Slaven> and putting them in .xmms/skins
[07:58] <Slaven> pysoulseek
[07:58] <xoxox1> hello, i am running ubuntu 4.10. now i want to write to my CDRW. anybody please recommend me a software for burning CDR?
[07:58] <Slaven> k3b
[07:58] <randabis> gnomebaker
[07:59] <xoxox1> k3b for KDE? i guess a gnome burner would be better for Ubutu?
[07:59] <xoxox1> ok i will try gnomebaker, thanks
[07:59] <randabis> k3b will work too
[07:59] <aToaster> Slaven: thanks, thats pretty easy
[07:59] <Slaven> yeah, k3b apps look malplac in gnome ;)
[08:00] <thoreauputic> xoxox1: for just coppying files or iso , right click in nautilus file manager
[08:00] <thoreauputic> or go to burn:///
[08:00] <Stereotype> k3b works for gnome.
[08:00] <Stereotype> xcdroast too.
[08:01] <Slaven> I liked Xandros CD-burner... the only thing I liked about Xandros, but...
[08:01] <thoreauputic> xcdroast is kind of unintuitive, IMHO :/
[08:01] <thoreauputic> although it works well enough
[08:01] <trace> hello room
[08:01] <aToaster> anyone use gIFT? only filesharing program I found in the rep
[08:01] <unperson> thoreauputic, Yes, it probably is related to power management...it must be a I guess.  But more than that I cannot say.  Oh well.
[08:02] <unperson> Night all.
[08:02] <xoxox1> thoreauputic: how to run Nautilus file manager? is that the default file manager?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:02] <aToaster> woo, drscheme is in the rep
[08:02] <xoxox1> actually i never use file manager in linux. console is good enough
[08:03] <xoxox1> and mc also good
[08:03] <thoreauputic> xoxox1: go to home from the menu and it opens nautilus etc
[08:03] <trace> how do you config sound in ubuntu/
[08:03] <xoxox1> thoreauputic: ok thank you
[08:03] <ChaosZ3RO[away] > trace: try alsamixer
[08:03] <Slaven> console > nautilus, agreed
[08:04] <trace> Where isthat located in the system?
[08:04] <xoxox1> Stereotype: you said that k3b works for gnome? but it requires kde
[08:04] <thoreauputic> xoxox1: nautilus is OK - if you hate the way it opens new dirs, change to browser mode in "behaviour"
[08:04] <Slaven> xoxoxo1: No, it just requires some kde packages.
[08:04] <Slaven> not all.
[08:04] <xoxox1> yeah i see that
[08:05] <Slaven> you want a screenshot of it running in gnome or what?
[08:06] <xoxox1> Slaven: no, i just hate kde, and dont want to see it. gnome is better for me. it is lighter also.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> trace: just type  alsamixer in a terminal ;)
[08:06] <gustavor> how do i automaticly loads modules at startup?
[08:06] <trace> Kde is pretty
[08:06] <Slaven> gustavor: add them to /etc/modules
[08:06] <trace> but gnome is sleek
[08:06] <gustavor> Slaven, thanks
[08:06] <randabis> k3b is decent, but now that gnomebaker is getting better and better I prefer using it for burning
[08:07] <randabis> XFCE > kde and gnome imho :p
[08:07] <trace> lol
[08:07] <xoxox1> hm... i run "apt-cache search baker", and it returned no burner at all. so where is "gnomebaker"?
[08:07] <kakalto> I've installed the w32codecs and totem-xine, and when I open a movie file in totem, the sound comes out, but there' no visuals
[08:07] <thoreauputic> !start a desktop environment war
[08:07] <trace> can totem play dvds??
[08:07] <thoreauputic> ;)
[08:07] <Amaranth> xoxox1: You have to find a deb somewhere else or compile from source
[08:07] <randabis> xoxox1, I'll give you a link for the deb...it's not in any ubuntu repositories atm
[08:08] <trace> I'm a new user
[08:08] <kakalto> trace, yup
[08:08] <Slaven> http://gatubarn.mine.nu/k3b-png
[08:08] <xoxox1> randabis, yes please.
[08:08] <Slaven> http://gatubarn.mine.nu/k3b.png
[08:08] <Slaven> no need for kde. :P
[08:08] <Amaranth> someone needs to make a GTKish theme for QT
[08:08] <kakalto> trace, trace, you just need to install the dvd thing
[08:08] <trace> I just instleed ubuntu 1 hour ago
[08:08] <xoxox1> so i suppose that for gnome only, gnomebaker is the best burner?
[08:08] <trace> *installed
[08:09] <eyequeue> anyone got a sunbird deb?
[08:09] <Amaranth> xoxox1: Until Coaster gets more work done on it, yeah.
[08:09] <kakalto> trace, go onto www.ubuntuguide.org and go to the dvds section
[08:09] <kakalto> as far as I can remember, there is a guide for installing dvd support
[08:09] <trace> thanks kakalto, just wanted to know
[08:09] <kakalto> s' alright :D
[08:10] <kakalto> I've installed the w32codecs and totem-xine, and when I open a movie file in totem, the sound comes out, but there' no visuals... does anyone know what the problem is?
[08:10] <trace> I installed it on a old laptop first, to see if i'd like it..
[08:10] <trace> ubuntu rules....lol
[08:10] <thoreauputic> kakalto: probably search for "restricted formats" :)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> trace: indeed :)
[08:11] <kakalto> okay..
[08:11] <trace> What's a good ide to use for ubuntu?
[08:11] <xoxox1> anybody has .deb link for gnomebaker? i found nothing at all at gnomebaker.sf.net ???
[08:11] <trace> I looked at ajunta
[08:11] <aToaster> trace: for what language?
[08:11] <gustavor> have anybody used uml with ubuntu? tunctl -u gustavo -> Failed to open '/dev/net/tun'
[08:12] <thoreauputic> trace: heh - emacs *ducks8
[08:12] <trace> c and c++
[08:12] <troll_god> here is simple problem, i need to change my alsa device its stuck on dummy mixer anyone know how ?
[08:12] <aToaster> trace: haven't looked at it yet, but ajunta looks decent?
[08:12] <Slaven> school -->
[08:12] <troll_god> preferably not through a gui
[08:12] <thoreauputic> trace: vim </joke>
[08:12] <pvh> Is ESD Ubuntu's default sound daemon?
[08:12] <pvh> or is Alsa?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> troll_god: run alsaconf ?
[08:13] <trace> yea..I installed kde and kdevelope...but it looks very advance....
[08:13] <aToaster> troll_god: heya troll, I managed to get the new ATI drivers working on Warty, soo happy, lol
[08:13] <Amaranth> pvh: Different things.
[08:13] <trace> lol vim
[08:13] <pvh> Amaranth: What is ESD, then?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:13] <randabis> xoxox1, http://people.debian.org/~goedson/warty/packages/gnomebaker/snapshots/gnomebaker_0.2+cvs20050127-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:13] <Amaranth> ALSA is how the Linux kernel does sound, ESounD is a networking sound daemon.
[08:13] <pvh> Is it more at the gstreamer level?
[08:13] <Amaranth> below gstreamer
[08:13] <thoreauputic> enlightenment sound daemon
[08:13] <aToaster> is there any way to get nano to do syntax highlighting and stuff?
[08:14] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: No, ESounD
[08:14] <pvh> Amaranth: EsounD, not Enlightened Sound Daemon?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, I stand corrected :)
[08:14] <Amaranth> pvh: Yeah.
[08:14] <troll_god> thoreauputic: when i type alsaconf says command not found, when i locate alsaconf nothing returns, and wheni apt-get alsaconf it infroms me alsa-utils are the newest version
[08:14] <pvh> Amaranth: The webpage suggests they are one and the same.
[08:14] <troll_god> aToaster: Congradulations =D
[08:14] <trace> where do you go to setup sound in ubuntu???
[08:14] <_4strO> yop yop all
[08:14] <thoreauputic> troll_god:  as root
[08:14] <pvh> Amaranth: And that they haven't been updated since 2000.
[08:15] <troll_god> thoreauputic: I am doing it as root
[08:15] <Amaranth> GNOME has esd, KDE has something else. I can't remember what it is but it always ate 99% CPU for me.
[08:15] <xoxox1> randabis, thank you a lot. will try it now
[08:15] <pvh> Amaranth: OSS?
[08:15] <Agrajag> kde has artsd
[08:15] <Amaranth> artsd, there you go
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> Amaranth: next ubuntu will have polypaudio
[08:15] <randabis> xoxox1, you need to install cdda2wav first
[08:15] <Amaranth> pvh: No, OSS is what the Linux kernel used before ALSA.
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> which is like ESD
[08:15] <troll_god> thoreauputic: oh im thinking you ment program alsaconf not alsa.conf =/
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> only it doesn't suck as much
[08:15] <Amaranth> HrdwrBoB: Awesome, KDE is supposed to be standardizing on it too.
[08:16] <thoreauputic> troll_god: you are right - I just tried it here - I'm used to Debian, sorry
[08:16] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: I am running hoary. Is it in yet?
[08:16] <troll_god> thoreauputic: do you know the programs name in ubuntu?
[08:17] <randabis> yes you can get polypaudio in hoary
[08:17] <thoreauputic> troll_god: hmm - normally it's just alsaconf - but I don't see it here :(
[08:17] <randabis> I don't think it's working quite right yet though
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: only if you manually get it
[08:17] <pvh> Amaranth: So what the heck is ESD doing for me? Gstreamer outputs sound to ALSA which mixes and sends to the device, right?
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: I will write something up on how to use it tomorrow
[08:18] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: Great, where will it be?
[08:18] <aToaster> anyone know if they're working on anything like expose for linux?
[08:18] <troll_god> ESD is an alternative to gstreamer
[08:18] <Amaranth> pvh: Well, some cards don't support playing two sounds at once.
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: on the wiki :)
[08:18] <Amaranth> pvh: esd fakes that for you
[08:18] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: I'll be there.
[08:18] <Amaranth> troll_god: No it isn't.
[08:18] <pvh> Amaranth: So does ALSA, I thought.
[08:18] <pvh> Amaranth: With dmxi
[08:18] <pvh> *dmix
[08:19] <Amaranth> pvh: Yeah, it does now.
[08:19] <Amaranth> pvh: But that's just Linux, GNOME runs on lots of other OSes.
[08:20] <Agrajag> I had it running on windows once
[08:20] <pvh> Amaranth: See, I'm trying to understand the linux sound-system so that I can direct my sound to a different card.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> troll_god: it appears ubuntu lacks the alsaconf utility :(
[08:20] <troll_god> thoreauputic: anyway around it? i switched to dummy mixer, and now i can't open volume control to change device back
[08:21] <thoreauputic> it would be in alsa-utils - you tried apt-get install alsa-utils right?
[08:21] <HauntedUnix> In which file can I put programs which I want to execute when I login via gdm?
[08:21] <troll_god> right newest version
[08:21] <thoreauputic> hmm
[08:21] <pvh> Amaranth: The data goes from the disk, to the application, to GStreamer, to ESD, to alsa, to the soundcard?
[08:21] <keyvan> hey i have a couple of gripes with ubuntu, maybe you can help me clear up:
[08:22] <randabis> ok
[08:22] <Amaranth> pvh: Yeah. :P
[08:22] <keyvan> i have installed it on my notebook computer, and i see the wlan signal bar and percent, as well as battery percentage
[08:22] <HauntedUnix> [I tried ~/.xinitrc and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc]
[08:22] <pvh> Amaranth: So how do I control ESD?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> HauntedUnix: .xsession in your homedir, and choose default system session
[08:22] <Amaranth> pvh: No idea, it "Just Works" for me.
[08:22] <keyvan> but i dont have any utility to actually scan and change my wireless connection
[08:22] <HauntedUnix> Thanks, thoreauputic ;)
[08:22] <pvh> Amaranth: Excruciating.
[08:22] <Amaranth> keyvan: There are a couple apps for that, if I can remember the names...
[08:22] <thoreauputic> HauntedUnix: no problem :)
[08:23] <keyvan> and when i unplug my A/C, it doesnt know, it still thinks its plugged into ac, but the percent is legitimate
[08:23] <Amaranth> keyvan: One is NetworkManager, the other has a similar name.
[08:23] <keyvan> Amaranth: oh the one from HP, right?
[08:23] <Amaranth> no...
[08:23] <Amaranth> One of them is being developed by a RH dev, iirc.
[08:24] <troll_god> thoreauputic: when i try to run gnome-volume-control i get the message Segmentation fault via stderr
[08:24] <thoreauputic> troll_god: oh dear
[08:24] <keyvan> any idea where i can get them?
[08:24] <keyvan> or should i google it.
[08:24] <thoreauputic> troll_god: bug report time...
[08:24] <mlambie> network manager is in thom's repository i think
[08:24] <Amaranth> keyvan: hang on, i'm digging
[08:24] <troll_god> thoreauputic: I just need to know how to change the device =[[[
[08:24] <keyvan> aside from those 2 small issues, ubuntu just blew me away, i love this distro
[08:24] <mlambie> i tried it, but it didn't like warty
[08:25] <keyvan> thanks Amaranth
[08:25] <_4strO`4rt3> ++
[08:25] <thoreauputic> troll_god: maybe try #alsa ?
[08:25] <troll_god> im in there =/// i asked there fist
[08:25] <troll_god> thoreauputic: looks like debian uses alsactl =/
[08:26] <thoreauputic> troll_god: I imagine the response time is long in #alsa
[08:26] <thoreauputic> troll_god: yeah, alsactl is for saving the config etc
[08:26] <pvh> Amaranth: I should be able to completely bypass esd, right?
[08:27] <Amaranth> pvh: As long are you're using everything locally it shouldn't be a problem.
[08:27] <Amaranth> You can configure gstream to use alsa with gst-config, iirc
[08:27] <Amaranth> err, gstreamer
[08:27] <thoreauputic> alsactl seems to exist in ubuntu - just typed whereis alsactland it showed up
[08:27] <keyvan> Amaranth: i am going to go get ready for bed and shower, if you find it, please /msg the url to me if you don't mind, thanks for your help, brb
[08:28] <thoreauputic> troll_god: you might try typing alsa <tab> <tab> and see what you get
[08:29] <thoreauputic> troll_god: I get alsactl and alsamixer
[08:29] <thoreauputic> I'm on PPC though
[08:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: system specs?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> iBook G4 768MB ram 1.2 Ghz
[08:30] <troll_god> thoreauputic: me too, with aplay
[08:30] <thoreauputic> 12" model - sweet :)
[08:30] <thoreauputic> troll_god: intereting - I have no aplay for some reason
[08:30] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: hmmm... did you try OSX?
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: yep. Nice but I prefer Ubuntu :)
[08:31] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i see
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I have fink installedetc, but it's alot of hassle
[08:31] <troll_god> thoreauputic: It comes with alsa-utils
[08:32] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: thinking of getting a dual g5 for graphics at work
[08:32] <aToaster> anyone know how to get GAIM to blink or something in the taskbar when you get IM'd?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: OS X is very good but I'm used to the *nix way of doing things and OS X kind of hides things where you have to dig for them
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: also Ubuntu is faster on this machine
[08:33] <jdub> aToaster: turn on the notification icon, it should be on by default
[08:34] <thoreauputic> especially with my newly compiled fluxbox 0.9.12 ! :)
[08:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: rofl
[08:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i fell in love with xfce the other day
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: yeah, nice - but I'm a flux fanboy <grin>
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I'm dual booting - so: best of both worlds :)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> i used flux with gentoo... then i got tired of minimal :)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> so i used gnome 2.4, but it was too slow... so i switched to kde 3.2 (faster)... then back to gnome 2.6 (faster) then to 2.8... then i found xfce :)
[08:37] <Dreamer3> i think someone wanted a mini-gnome, at least it feels that way to me... prolly just gtk2 i'm used to
[08:37] <randabis> XFCE > all :)
[08:38] <Dreamer3> randabis: it's sweet, i've been trying it out on low memory computers
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: the latest flux is far from minimal and has some nice eye-candy like transparency and so on - also gnome notification areas work
[08:38] <Dreamer3> randabis: gnome is a bit much for 64mb
[08:38] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: oh yeah? are there screen shots, do you have a good one perhaps?
[08:39] <randabis> Dreamer3, it flies with an Athlon XP 3200+ and 512MB dual channel DDR400 :)
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: hmm... hang on- I'm on dialupbut I can try to upload something to my web server
[08:39] <randabis> and works well with my pentium 3 450 mhz 224MB RAM laptop also
[08:39] <pvh> Can I somehow remove OSS from my system, or will that cause All Hell to break loose?
[08:40] <Dreamer3> randabis: yeah, that's one thing i'm looking for... one thing i can use everywhere
[08:40] <Dreamer3> randabis: i wish i had a box that fast
[08:40] <Dreamer3> randabis: i'm on p3/900,512mb, 18gig
[08:40] <randabis> yeah it's nice. built it myself
[08:40] <randabis> about a year ago
[08:41] <Dreamer3> randabis: what mainboard?
[08:41] <randabis> Abit NF7-S 2.0
[08:41] <nevyn> eww NF
[08:41] <randabis> my processor is actually an Athlon XP 2500+, but I bumped the 166mhz bus to 200mhz
[08:41] <ChaosZ3RO[away] > o_o I tell apt-get to upgrade gaim, and it's giving me instructions for lilo.... what the hell?
[08:42] <randabis> nevyn, works fine...everything detected and running out of the box
[08:42] <Dreamer3> randabis: i like asus boards...
[08:42] <Dreamer3> randabis: what chipset?
[08:42] <randabis> Nforce2 400 Ultra
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: the oss drivers are only there if you need them, most people don't
[08:42] <nevyn> Dreamer3: nf == nforce
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: there's no point removing them
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: we do, however, actively use the oss emulation on top of alsa
[08:42] <Dreamer3> nevyn: yeah, 2, 3 what?
[08:42] <Dreamer3> ah
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: because nothing using alsalibs is particularly stable yet
[08:43] <pvh> jdub: The problem is that there are so many places I can go wrong.
[08:43] <randabis> The NF7-S 2.0 is probably one of the best Nforce 2 boards out there
[08:43] <troll_god> thoreauputic: any idea?
[08:43] <nevyn> all nforces are bad news.. ;)
[08:43] <randabis> I disagree
[08:43] <Dreamer3> randabis: audio and everything work?
[08:43] <randabis> yeah
[08:43] <randabis> I use an Audigy 1 MP3+, but the onboard works as well
[08:44] <aToaster> jdub: umm, sorry to bug ya but.. I can't seem to find the notify option
[08:44] <Dreamer3> randabis: can you still buy the board new?
[08:44] <randabis> the onboard networking controller worked out of the box as well
[08:44] <randabis> Dreamer3, yes, as far as I know many online retailers still sell it
[08:45] <randabis> I bought it from newegg.com last year, but they still stock it I think
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis: i'm checking now :)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> troll_god: sorry afk - back soon
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis: do you like asus?
[08:45] <randabis> If you get one make sure it isn't NF7-S2...it should be NF7-S 2.0
[08:45] <randabis> they are different boards
[08:46] <Dreamer3> randabis: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=1   ?
[08:46] <flamesrock_> how much does a decent asus board go for?
[08:46] <flamesrock_> just curious
[08:46] <Dreamer3> randabis: it only has 4 stars :)
[08:46] <randabis> yeah that's the one
[08:47] <randabis> I don't care...it's a solid platform. :) DFI makes a good Nforce2 board also
[08:47] <randabis> sure
[08:48] <randabis> I got the Abit because it's a better overclocker than the Asus...that was what I needed since I've done a 44 mhz overclock on the front side bus
[08:48] <Dreamer3> i don't do overclocking :)
[08:48] <Sparhawk_> the asus a7n8x-e delux would be the equivilant to the abit nf7-s 2.0
[08:48] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: i'm looking now :)
[08:48] <randabis> roughly yes it would
[08:49] <Sparhawk_> i have 3 nforce2 ultra 400 boards and 1 nforce 3 250GB board.  i love them all
[08:49] <FAST> i neeed a new chip, which means i need a new board, which means i need new memory, and new video card...... :(
[08:49] <Sparhawk_> now that kernel <IP_ADDRESS> + support the network and sound out of the box (for nforce3)
[08:49] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: with linux?
[08:49] <Sparhawk_> yup
[08:49] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: asus?
[08:49] <randabis> I only run ubuntu :)
[08:49] <troll_god> does anyone know how to change mixers in the gui, i have mine locked on dummy mixer
[08:50] <randabis> brb
[08:50] <Sparhawk_> i have the asus a7n8x-x (the cheap version of the deluxe board), and an abit nf7-s
[08:50] <Sparhawk_> and a gigiabye and a msi
[08:51] <Sparhawk_> asus runs gentoo right now
[08:52] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: you have good luck with them all?
[08:52] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: would you recommend the more expensive board over the cheap one (asus?)
[08:53] <Sparhawk_> depends on if you want SATA or software RAID
[08:53] <FAST> better:  northwood or prescott ?
[08:53] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: hmmm, i just want a fast box that works :)
[08:54] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: guess a x-x would work
[08:54] <DaRyN> anyone in here able to help with the root issue?
[08:54] <ChaosZ3RO> okay... I restarted my computer and now I can't get into anything but a terminal. (using bitchx) Says my session lasted less than 10 seconds.
[08:55] <Sparhawk_> does gdm come up?
[08:55] <ChaosZ3RO> yeah, but I can't get into xfce
[08:55] <Sparhawk_> check ~/.Xsession for errors
[08:56] <Sparhawk_> i think
[08:56] <ChaosZ3RO> gonna see if I can get into gnome, brb
[08:56] <randabis> to be honest, if I were upgrading now, I would go for an AMD64 platform over an Athlon XP platform
[08:57] <bitfoo> well of course
[08:58] <randabis> you'll have more upgrade options in the future than if you were to use a dying platform like the socket 462 boards
[08:58] <bitfoo> if i were upgrading now, i would wait for dual core :|
[08:59] <randabis> if you get a socket 939 board you would be ready for when the dual cores come...
[08:59] <randabis> dual core technology needs to mature a bit before I would consider it imho
[08:59] <Sparhawk_> i have an amd64 i love it
[08:59] <Sparhawk_> thought i mostly run 32bit os's :(
[08:59] <bitfoo> is it really that much faster?
[08:59] <bitfoo> i mean what runs at 64bit besides farcry :|
[09:00] <bitfoo> and maybe suse
[09:00] <Sparhawk_> when running gentoo it is
[09:00] <Sparhawk_> kde compiles in like 4 hours
[09:00] <bitfoo> yeah but how often do you compile kde :|
[09:00] <randabis> yes, an integrated memory controller will show great speed benefits
[09:00] <Sparhawk_> i like to break my computers, i recompile all the time
[09:01] <bitfoo> wow you must get no work done lol :|
[09:01] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: is ubuntu 64 bit?
[09:01] <Sparhawk_> pretty much
[09:01] <randabis> there is an AMD64 build for ubuntu yes
[09:01] <Sparhawk_> dreamer: yes, most linux distrobutions have x86_64 builds
[09:01] <randabis> it will run the 32 bit build as well too
[09:02] <Dreamer3> randabis: so skip the XP and go straight to amd64? then i have to use newer boards and wonder if their chipsets are suported
[09:02] <Dreamer3> right?
[09:02] <bitfoo> well true
[09:02] <bitfoo> but you are futureproof
[09:02] <FAST> im happy with the intel board/chip i have ... never any problems.     my brother has an amd 2600+ but it only runs at 1.6ghz? maybe a memory speed issue
[09:02] <randabis> Dreamer3, the nforce3 platform for AMD64 is well supported
[09:02] <bitfoo> though xps are cheap as anything :|
[09:02] <randabis> so are via chipsets
[09:02] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: i'd rather it work today than tomorrow :)
[09:02] <Dreamer3> what am i gonna pay to go 64? double?
[09:03] <jdub> not even close to double
[09:03] <Sparhawk_> nforce3 is very well supported in kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and up
[09:03] <randabis> FAST the 2600+ doesn't mean it runs at 2.6 ghz
[09:03] <randabis> that's just a performance rating AMD gives the processor
[09:03] <bitfoo> it doesnt run at 1.6 either
[09:03] <FAST> randabis, yah  but its supposed to run at like 2.2 or 2.4ghz
[09:03] <bitfoo> 2.0 if memory serves me
[09:03] <AlohaWolf> 2600+ is a 1.9 ghz machine
[09:04] <FAST> hmmm
[09:04] <AlohaWolf> Detected 1913.467 MHz processor.
[09:04] <randabis> the memory should be DDR333 (166mhz)
[09:04] <randabis> if it's running at DDR266 then it will be slower
[09:04] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: ok, did you mention what 64 board you have?
[09:05] <Sparhawk_> dreamer: msi k8n neo platinum
[09:05] <FAST> http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,10001817,00.htm
[09:05] <Sparhawk_> nforce3 250gb chipset, with amd64 3200+
[09:05] <FAST> says 2600+  2.133 ghz
[09:05] <Sparhawk_> FAST: it depends on the core, and the FSB
[09:05] <FAST> hmm
[09:06] <bitfoo> i want to build a cluster of mini itx's :|
[09:06] <bitfoo> but a super awesome one :|
[09:06] <randabis> My 2500+ runs at 2.2 ghz :) it's overclocked to 3200+ though
[09:06] <FAST> anyone think this is a good deal?     http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4838529
[09:07] <randabis> the VIA CPU in mini-itx sucks though
[09:07] <Dreamer3> randabis: well, it's for embedded stuff :)
[09:07] <randabis> yeah
[09:07] <randabis> I realize that
[09:08] <randabis> FAST I don't know...haven't used or priced Intel hardware in a long time
[09:08] <Sparhawk_> FAST: that's the same price newegg has for the same board, probably an ok price, but not a special deal
[09:09] <FAST> i am using a p3 800 / 384MB       ...... maybe time to upgrade... but lack of $$$
[09:09] <randabis> AMD does everything I want to do better than intel ever could
[09:09] <FAST> ok
[09:10] <joh_> hi
[09:10] <joh_> whats happend to ubuntu-calendar-feburary ?
[09:10] <FAST> is newegg the best place to get an idea of prices?  or pricewatch?
[09:10] <flamesrock_> pricewatch is nice
[09:10] <flamesrock_> newegg is starting to suck...
[09:11] <Dreamer3> flamesrock_: really, why?
[09:11] <eyequeue> joh_:  i've been curious about that too
[09:11] <flamesrock_> they've fallen behind
[09:11] <flamesrock_> tigerdirect is much better
[09:11] <Dreamer3> flamesrock_: how so?
[09:11] <flamesrock_> you can find much better prices elsewhere
[09:11] <randabis> yeah newegg's prices aren't nearly as competitive as they used to be
[09:11] <troll_god> anyone know how to change default mixer? from device 0 dummy to device 1 real sound card?
[09:11] <Dreamer3> randabis: hmmm
[09:11] <randabis> and their sales are pretty ridiculous now
[09:12] <Dreamer3> randabis: guess i'm just used to the service
[09:12] <randabis> yeah, they are a good service, no denying that
[09:12] <flamesrock_> its hard to explain. Kind of like they went the way of zellers
[09:12] <Dreamer3> ouch
[09:12] <Dreamer3> 64bit chips $$$
[09:12] <randabis> just the prices aren't as good
[09:13] <Sparhawk_> pricewatch is always the best place to start
[09:13] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: better late than never - current flux desktop  http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxshot.png
[09:13] <randabis> Dreamer3, depends...the cheapest AMD64 chip can be had for like 100 bucks
[09:13] <Dreamer3> gcc isn't twice as fast on a x64, is it? we're just talking more bits, right?
[09:13] <bob2> anyone who says anything will be twice as fast is clueless
[09:13] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: and no, it isn't Debian - I just like the colours ;)
[09:13] <FAST> so socket 939 / amd64 is  probably a good candidate for upgrading then?>
[09:14] <randabis> yes
[09:14] <Sparhawk_> yes
[09:14] <FAST> hmm
[09:14] <Dreamer3> bob2: *laughs*
[09:14] <thoreauputic> note the transparent menus and title bar
[09:14] <Twentyone> hop
[09:14] <Twentyone> 'moin
[09:14] <bitfoo> www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[09:14] <bitfoo> :|
[09:14] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: downloading
[09:15] <FAST> bitfoo: what window manager is that
[09:15] <Dreamer3> FAST: gnome *laughs* (looks like it)
[09:15] <FAST> i wish xmms would go to the notification area
[09:16] <bitfoo> gnomeeeessssssss
[09:16] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: how do you use a desktop that bright though?
[09:16] <FAST> i meant theme sorry
[09:16] <randabis> http://img114.exs.cx/img114/8282/newdesktop4hp.jpg
[09:16] <bitfoo> the white is too bright for you?
[09:16] <FAST> your irc font looks like pain to the eyes
[09:16] <randabis> there's my desktop :)
[09:17] <bitfoo> it is a pain on the eyes, but its cool as shit :|
[09:17] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: not me, i think i outgrew flux
[09:18] <FAST> so does 'apt-get update'  fetch an updated list of packages available?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: heh...well I'm still  a baby I guess ;)
[09:18] <randabis> yes
[09:18] <FAST> brushed steel that looks like apple
[09:19] <Dreamer3> randabis: kinda depressing :)
[09:19] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: *laughs*
[09:19] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: just not me anymore :)
[09:19] <randabis> the greys?
[09:19] <FAST> what is a recommended motherboard manufacturer for socket 939
[09:19] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i like the glitz of xfce :)
[09:19] <randabis> MSI
[09:19] <randabis> Chaintech
[09:19] <randabis> Gigabyte
[09:20] <randabis> others
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: fair enough - I like them all in different ways: I just find flux is best for the way I like to work
[09:20] <aToaster> wow, finally got WoW to run on cedega, bit choppy though =/
[09:20] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: maybe the way i work just changed? :)
[09:21] <Sparhawk_> fast: gigabyte, msi, asus, abit, DFI
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: yeah, or you had a frontal lobotomy ;)

[09:21] <Sparhawk_> i still need to find a copy of WoW somewhere
[09:21] <Sparhawk_> no one has it in stock
[09:21] <randabis> Most people are leary of chaintech, but I've heard good things about their nforce4 board on socket 939...of course you'd need a PCI-E video card :/
[09:22] <FAST> what is nforce4
[09:22] <randabis> nvidia's latest chipset that supports PCI-E video cards
[09:22] <FAST> better than agp?
[09:23] <Dreamer3> any cheap dual 64 boards?
[09:23] <Dreamer3> do they do that?
[09:24] <FAST> i want a powermac except i dont have 3 billion dollars
[09:24] <Dreamer3> FAST: only 4k gets youa  nice one
[09:24] <randabis> Dreamer3, you'd have to get an opteron board
[09:24] <Dreamer3> randabis: and that's different?
[09:24] <randabis> yes, it's a server-class processor and board
[09:24] <randabis> much more expensive
[09:25] <randabis> Athlon64s currently don't do multiprocessing
[09:25] <Sparhawk_> FAST: pci-e is the new AGP, it will replace agp and pci in a couple of years
[09:26] <randabis> at present, PCI-E is no better an AGP
[09:26] <FAST> *GOD* they wont ever run out of ideas to get money out of my wallet
[09:26] <randabis> PCI-E is the future though
[09:26] <Dreamer3> FAST: come on
[09:27] <Dreamer3> FAST: just get a p3/900 like me and live with it
[09:27] <Dreamer3> FAST: not super fast, but it works well
[09:27] <FAST> im on p3 / 800
[09:27] <Dreamer3> FAST: and stay awake form linux 4.0 and you should be set
[09:27] <FAST> ;)
[09:27] <Dreamer3> i just get tired of compilling stuff and this laptop HD is slow
[09:27] <FAST> my 128MB dimm died a couple nights ago.... down to 384
[09:27] <thoreauputic> FAST: and of course, run fluxbox *laughs*
[09:28] <FAST> fluxbox?
[09:28] <Dreamer3> FAST: make that xfce :)
[09:28] <Sparhawk_> excpt you can SLI 2 pci-e graphix cards
[09:28] <Sparhawk_> if you want spend $50000 on your computer :)
[09:28] <Sparhawk_> and who doesn't
[09:28] <bitfoo> technically you can do more than 2 :|
[09:28] <bitfoo> but the first boards only do 2 :/
[09:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: why?
[09:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: my pc in the floor already does that, but i don't use it... and it's only 700mhz :)
[09:29] <Dreamer3> plus i only have one 19" lcd so far
[09:29] <FAST> my mobo has integrated video, but i cant get it to work at the same time with my agp... :(
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: you poor chap - my biggest monitor is 17" :(
[09:30] <Dreamer3> FAST: yeah... i've always thought it best to use integrated solutions for that
[09:30] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: sorry :)
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: and 56k dialup
[09:30] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i'm on dial-up too
[09:31] <rempresent> i want a good tutorial on how to use fluxbox, like editing the .conf file so that you can have links and such?  anyone?
[09:31] <thoreauputic> ah, a fellow sufferer ;)
[09:31] <thoreauputic> rempresent: go to fluxbox.org - the docs are excellent
[09:31] <randabis> 3 mbit cable here :/
[09:32] <Dreamer3> :P at randabis
[09:32] <thoreauputic> rempresent: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook.php
[09:33] <Dreamer3> well, maybe next year i get a new pc
[09:33] <randabis> yuck :p
[09:33] <Dreamer3> randabis: what?
[09:33] <randabis> strokes even
[09:33] <Dreamer3> randabis: it's dual head
[09:34] <Dreamer3> randabis: and powers 0 heads currently
[09:34] <randabis> mine's dual head too :)
[09:34] <randabis> I just didn't like the mx440 nvidia cards :p
[09:35] <Dreamer3> randabis: ah... seemed to do it's thing
[09:35] <Dreamer3> randabis: worked well at the time
[09:35] <randabis> well I demand more out of my cards, that's all
[09:35] <Dreamer3> and it costs $0 to use it :)
[09:35] <Dreamer3> i get 400fps glxgears from my lappy
[09:35] <Dreamer3> i'm sure nvidia can top that
[09:35] <randabis> haha
[09:36] <randabis> my laptop gets like 90 because I can't get DRI with an SMI chipset
[09:36] <randabis> old as dirt hehe
[09:36] <Dreamer3> yeah, x is finally starting with DRI with me without freezing now
[09:36] <randabis> Get like 6-7000 on here though
[09:36] <Dreamer3> it's been a long hard road :)
[09:37] <randabis> I don't really need it now since I don't game too much anymore *shrugs* I used to game a lot more when I used windows
[09:37] <Dreamer3> yeah, windows does that
[09:37] <Dreamer3> all that non-productive software
[09:38] <FAST> socket 939 amd64 3000+  runs at  1.8ghz?      hard to compare how fast that is to other stuff
[09:38] <randabis> I do a little bit of gaming on this box with ubuntu, but not nearly as much...partially because I can't get cedega to work correctly
[09:38] <randabis> FAST it's roughly equivalent to a 3 GHZ Pentium 4
[09:39] <thoreauputic> well, time to go - evening/morning/afternoon all!
[09:39] <FAST> and a lot cheaper?
[09:39] <randabis> probably faster in a lot of things really
[09:39] <daniels> glxgears is not a benchmark
[09:39] <randabis> sure
[09:39] <FAST> or similarly priced
[09:39] <randabis> Yeah I know daniels :)
[09:39] <FAST> hmmm
[09:39] <rempresent> what's a good program for repartitioning hard drives for ubuntu
[09:39] <Dreamer3> daniels: if it is then randabis's system is several orders of mangnitude faster than mine :)
[09:40] <Dreamer3> rempresent: fdisk
[09:40] <daniels> Dreamer3: luckily, it's not
[09:40] <FAST> i remember when the athlon chips were getting a lot of backlash cause they were burning up like crazy
[09:40] <Dreamer3> cfdisk?
[09:40] <FAST> on fire
[09:40] <randabis> FAST times have changed
[09:40] <Dreamer3> FAST: i can't recall that
[09:40] <randabis> Pentiums run hotter than Athlon64s
[09:41] <randabis> especially the Prescott core pentium 4s
[09:41] <Dreamer3> daniels: are you the leader of ubuntu?
[09:41] <Dreamer3> daniels: i see your name a lot on the forums
[09:41] <daniels> nope, I'm just a grunt
[09:42] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[09:42] <Dreamer3> are you the guy on the wallpaper? :)
[09:42] <daniels> not I
[09:42] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[09:43] <Dreamer3> i'm thinking maybe i should just download the CD instead of waiting for the one i ordered from ebay
[09:45] <Dreamer3> wow, it got quiet
[09:45] <Dreamer3> daniels: do you usually scare away everyone
[09:45] <nevyn> he is pretty scary
[09:46] <Dreamer3> indeed
[09:46] <nevyn> Dreamer3: ordered from ebay?
[09:46] <Dreamer3> nevyn: yeah, for 1.99
[09:46] <Xirdneh> hi there, i was instaling MPlayer and i had to instal the zlib1g 1.1.4, did it but result that 170 packages are broken, i cheked synaptic and there are tow zlib1g, should i just erase the older one?
[09:46] <nevyn> Dreamer3: shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[09:47] <nevyn> free.. and ubuntu pays the shipping.
[09:47] <Dreamer3> nevyn: yeah, but i already ordered it
[09:47] <Vjaz> Does anyone know why Human isn't the default icon theme in Ubuntu, or is it new in Hoary?
[09:47] <Dreamer3> the process sounded like it might take a while on ubuntus site
[09:48] <randabis> yeah for some people it has taken a few months
[09:49] <Dreamer3> randabis: i didn't want that :)
[09:49] <Dreamer3> oh well
[09:49] <Dreamer3> i'm going to have to download it if i don't see the CD this week
[09:49] <Dreamer3> but i hope it's been shipped and it's just too trivial to e-mail me first
[09:50] <Xirdneh> anyone?. :S
[09:50] <Dreamer3> Xirdneh: no
[09:50] <Xirdneh> well...
[09:50] <rempresent> what kernel should i use for an athlon xp 3000
[09:51] <Dreamer3> rempresent: what do you mean?
[09:52] <rempresent> like, is there a special type that i download.. like power pc processors are ppc.. what are athlons
[09:52] <Dreamer3> i686?
[09:52] <nevyn> rempresent: athlons are ia32
[09:52] <nevyn> well they're really -K7 but ubuntu buy the debian-devel propaganda on subarchs
[09:53] <nevyn> so ia32 is all they compile
[09:53] <Dreamer3> well, night
[09:53] <Agrajag> huh?
[09:53] <Agrajag> There's a k7 kernel too
[09:53] <randabis> rempresent, use the k7 kernels
[09:53] <nevyn> oh I thought you ment like the whole distro.
[09:54] <randabis> lol
[09:54] <nevyn> compiliing the whole distro for K7 with 3dnow would be a win
[09:54] <rempresent> ok, i am at the gentoo site right now, which one do i pick...
[09:54] <nevyn> particularly for gcc, glib mozilla openoffice gzip and totem
[09:54] <rempresent> http://torrents.gentoo.org/
[09:54] <randabis> go to #gentoo
[09:55] <randabis> this is ubuntu support, not gentoo
[09:55] <rempresent> i want to start fresh and correctly, especially when it comes to the proper distro
[09:55] <rempresent> and there are memory problems with different types of kernels
[09:55] <nevyn> gentoo is not the answer.
[09:55] <randabis> gentoo is a great distro, but definitely not for beginners
[09:56] <rempresent> i want to start with a stripped down distro so i can learn off that one and butcher it rather than messing with my ubuntu distro
[09:56] <rempresent> i know a little flux, and i get around with apt alright
[09:56] <rempresent> it's debian based right?
[09:56] <randabis> no!
[09:56] <randabis> it's source-based
[09:56] <az[a] zel> damn, the linux-wlan-ng package isn't installed on the live cd
[09:56] <Agrajag> ubuntu is
[09:56] <Agrajag> gentoo is based on watching gcc output for hours on end
[09:56] <az[a] zel> it's *impossible* to get the DWL-122 USB wireless networking device to work
[09:56] <rempresent> so i need to compile everything
[09:57] <Agrajag> yes
[09:57] <randabis> gentoo is source-based, ubuntu is debian-based
[09:57] <rempresent> you can still get apt for it and use that right
[09:57] <randabis> gentoo does make the compile process rather simple though
[09:57] <randabis> it uses a package system called portage that handles all the source code and compiling stuff
[09:57] <rempresent> alright, well, there are people with pimped out screens and they all use gentoo... i want a pimped out screen
[09:57] <Agrajag> rempresent: I doubt it's well-supported if it even works
[09:58] <rempresent> start with flux, then with other widgets and such
[09:58] <Einzelganger> How do you add a network-printer in gnome? I can print just fine with "lp -h <ipaddr> <file>", but if I add a printer with gnome-cups-add, after the ip-address, it asks for the printer-driver (why ?), and wheter I supply the real printer, or just generic postscript, it doesn't work
[09:58] <Agrajag> rempresent: the distro dies not matter as far as useless desktop eyecandy goes
[09:58] <randabis> you can install flux in ubuntu... :p
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: i agree
[09:58] <rempresent> agrajag:  i realize..
[09:58] <Agrajag> s/dies/does/
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: debian can look just like gentoo :)
[09:58] <rempresent> ok... well, what is a stripped down debian-based distro
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: and faster (you don't have to compile world)
[09:58] <rempresent> i like ubuntu
[09:59] <rempresent> that is a fact, but i am going to branch out
[09:59] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: why?
[09:59] <randabis> ubuntu is pretty lean
[09:59] <randabis> you could try debian sarge
[09:59] <Agrajag> you don't get much more stripped-down than debian itself
[09:59] <rempresent> i think gnome is chuggy
[09:59] <randabis> then don't use gnome
[10:00] <rempresent> i know, using a different session works alright, but I am going to wipe out my ubuntu and start from scratch
[10:00] <Infinitus> anybody here compared arch linux to ubuntu?
[10:00] <rempresent> i am going to reinstall that is for sure
[10:00] <DaRyN> does anyone know why i can not log in as root?
[10:00] <rempresent> i do like how ubuntu was easier to install than winders
[10:00] <GammaRay> DaRyN: root does not have a password set, use sudo
[10:00] <randabis> DaRyN, because root is disabled by default
[10:00] <DaRyN> yeah i did that whole thing
[10:01] <rempresent> hold on, let me get you an example.
[10:01] <DaRyN> but i can not create any directories  with my log on
[10:01] <rempresent> screenshot
[10:01] <DaRyN> it tells me oermission bedied
[10:01] <DaRyN> permission
[10:01] <GammaRay> denied?
[10:01] <randabis> sudo mkdir /foo
[10:02] <DaRyN> yeah, and then if i try set the proprties it tells me i can not
[10:02] <randabis> you shouldn't need to be a sudoer to make directories in /home though
[10:02] <randabis> where are you trying to set the properties?
[10:02] <GammaRay> I actually have come to like using sudo instead of su, even on my mdk box.
[10:02] <GammaRay> DaRyN: nautilus?
[10:03] <randabis> sudo adds security :)
[10:03] <rempresent> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=89145899840881173b6626&p=screen
[10:03] <DaRyN> GammaRay: terminal
[10:03] <GammaRay> DaRyN: sudo chmod?
[10:03] <randabis> what commands are you using?
[10:03] <rempresent> there this dude has a mandrake distro, but his desktop is tight , what applications would i need to learn.. except those at the bottom.
[10:04] <DaRyN> making the folder is not an issue
[10:04] <DaRyN> just when i want to set permissions
[10:04] <randabis> chmod doesn't make folders
[10:04] <randabis> it changes the permission on folders
[10:05] <randabis> or files
[10:05] <DaRyN> it tells me i can't change them as I am not the owner
[10:05] <DaRyN> chmod?
[10:05] <DaRyN> ahhh
[10:05] <DaRyN> thx
[10:05] <randabis> sudo chmod 777 will change the permissions to all all users access and the ability to change the folder
[10:06] <GammaRay> DaRyN: they are owned by root, so you need to use sudo to change them, or make them owned by your user
[10:06] <GammaRay> randabis: ewww
[10:06] <randabis> if you want to change the owner of a file/folder use chown
[10:06] <randabis> GammaRay, what?
[10:06] <scizzo> rempresent: that is mostly desklets
[10:06] <GammaRay> 777
[10:06] <FAST> what does it mean to type     ' ./program  '  instead of just 'program'  to run an executable
[10:07] <GammaRay> FAST: means . is not in your $PATH
[10:07] <rempresent> scizzo:  so i should learn how to use desklets
[10:07] <rempresent> scizzo:  then i can be tricked out
[10:08] <GammaRay> FAST: so you need to specify the path to the executable
[10:08] <randabis> gdesklets to be more specific
[10:08] <FAST> ok, so  if current directory has the executable,  the   '  ./  '  tells it to run whats in that directory?
[10:08] <Infinitus> when i type sudo command i get a prompt for a password and when i put in the root password i get an error message.
[10:08] <DaRyN> thx for the help, seems to be on the right track, let me try play a little more
[10:08] <Infinitus> what's up with that?
[10:08] <randabis> Infinitus, use your USER password
[10:08] <GammaRay> FAST: correct; ../ would be the parent dir
[10:08] <Infinitus> ok.
[10:08] <FAST> GammaRay, okie doke
[10:09] <randabis> root shouldn't even be enabled
[10:09] <scizzo> rempresent: g-desklets
[10:09] <scizzo> rempresent: and a fast computer
[10:09] <FAST> did a quick hello world    hello.c  and compiled it but had to figure out that   ./  business first :X
[10:10] <scizzo> rempresent: g-desklets has AFAIK been using a lot of the resources on a computer
[10:10] <scizzo> rempresent: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/index.php
[10:10] <Haukkari> Has anyone else had problems with Cedega in Ubuntu?
[10:10] <Haukkari> Mine refuses to work. :)
[10:10] <Haukkari> 4.0
[10:10] <GammaRay> FAST: if you do something like export PATH=$PATH:. you can just type the name.
[10:10] <randabis> yes I do Haukkari 4.2 I have trouble installing anything with it
[10:11] <Haukkari> randabis: weird
[10:11] <randabis> errors with MS Installer
[10:11] <rempresent> Thanks everyone!
[10:11] <Haukkari> randabis: I have stuff installed on my Windows disk but stuff still won't work
[10:11] <randabis> Haukkari, I believe that won't work...you have to have a "fake windows" install where it stores stuff
[10:12] <GammaRay> FAST: that appends . on the search path for executables
[10:12] <Ng> but that's not a very good idea
[10:12] <FAST> i gotcha
[10:15] <rempresent> how do i turn off my computer... is it killall -halt
[10:15] <rempresent> somthing like that...
[10:15] <GammaRay> Ng: hmmm?
[10:15] <rempresent> where the computer totally turns itself off.
[10:15] <Agrajag> sudo shutdown -h now
[10:16] <GammaRay> Ng: it's not a good idea to prepend.. nothing wrong w/ appending
[10:16] <FAST> are there any nice IDEs for java(etc..)    or is emacs pretty much the popular one
[10:19] <randabis> I just press the power button to turn it off...lol
[10:19] <Ng> GammaRay: I reckon generally it's better to avoid both. appending is clearly safer, but still it opens you up to running something you didn't intend to. I like the explicitness of having to do ./ basically ;)
[10:19] <GammaRay> FAST: anjuta
[10:22] <DaRyN> og, i have set aLL premissions, Read, Write AND execute on all 3 levels, yet i can not WRITE files to my share, but I can see them from windows, any ideas?
[10:23] <randabis> it the share ntfs?
[10:23] <DaRyN> it's just a plain old share
[10:23] <DaRyN> i dunno
[10:23] <DaRyN> but i can access and browse it
[10:24] <GammaRay> randabis: probably samba
[10:24] <DaRyN> ermm yeah
[10:24] <GammaRay> DaRyN: try the -R option for chmod
[10:24] <randabis> are you trying to write to the share from windows?
[10:24] <az[a] zel> FAST, eclipse
[10:24] <DaRyN> how can i change the file group?
[10:24] <randabis> chgrp
[10:25] <GammaRay> or chown user.group for a 2-in-1
[10:25] <randabis> yeah
[10:26] <Infinitus> I'm thinking of installing ubuntu.
[10:26] <Infinitus> can anybody give me a reason why I should?
[10:27] <Ng> because it rocks! :)
[10:27] <Infinitus> Is it better than Arch Linux?
[10:27] <Infinitus> How do I update the kernel in ubuntu?
[10:27] <Ng> if you're not sure, try the live CD, play with it for a while and see what you like about it
[10:27] <randabis> there is no "better"
[10:27] <Ng> I've never used Arch
[10:27] <Infinitus> arch is nice.
[10:27] <randabis> Infinitus, using apt is the easiest way
[10:28] <randabis> you can also compile your own if you wish
[10:28] <Infinitus> what's the command to do it with apt?
[10:28] <randabis> apt-get install packagenameofkernel
[10:29] <Infinitus> Hrm well I suppose if I don't like ubuntu I can always go back to arch.
[10:29] <Infinitus> Arch is nice.
[10:29] <Infinitus> But I'm looking for a change.
[10:29] <GammaRay> Infinitus: ubuntu is not an upgrade roller coaster though, you have to wait for security updates or new versions of the distro.. well don't have to, you *can* use unstable if you want.
[10:30] <randabis> unstable simply means that the packages are not static..meaning they are updated often...a lot of times they receive daily updates
[10:30] <randabis> unstable becomes stable in 6 month cycles
[10:31] <GammaRay> aka, we follow the mandrake cycle
[10:31] <randabis> each release has a release name...current stable ubuntu is called warty
[10:31] <randabis> unstable is hoary
[10:31] <GammaRay> (except the naming)
[10:32] <GammaRay> (by we I mean other people (-:)
[10:32] <Infinitus> how secure is ubuntu?
[10:33] <Infinitus> meaning by default.
[10:33] <GammaRay> no ports open by default to the net
[10:33] <Ng> a default install has zero ports listening for remote connections
[10:33] <Ng> so it's safe on a network
[10:33] <rubenv> Infinitus: best you can find ;)
[10:33] <Infinitus> cool.
[10:33] <randabis> it's not any less secure than other distros
[10:33] <Infinitus> :)
[10:33] <Infinitus> I'm going to do it.
[10:33] <Infinitus> I'm going to stay up all night and play on my new distro.
[10:34] <randabis> lol
[10:34] <randabis> It gets even more fun with hoary :)
[10:34] <ChaosZ3RO> Okay, I can't get back into anything but a terminal. It says something about xserver being already open. I restarted a few times, and it still doesn't let me into xfce or gnome. Any ideas? :S
[10:34] <pybe-lappy> ChaosZ3RO: does alt+f7 do anything?
[10:34] <Infinitus> I'm downloading the iso for ubuntu
[10:35] <Infinitus> I hope it's good.
[10:35] <ChaosZ3RO> I'll write that down. I'm on windows right now
[10:35] <DaRyN> i want to setp up a folder that i can share ie, not the home folder
[10:35] <pybe-lappy> ChaosZ3RO: is it a fresh install?
[10:35] <ChaosZ3RO> Installed a couple days ago
[10:35] <pybe-lappy> ChaosZ3RO: warty or hoary
[10:35] <ChaosZ3RO> it was working fine though, then I restarted and that happened
[10:36] <ChaosZ3RO> warty
[10:36] <pybe-lappy> strange
[10:37] <ChaosZ3RO> finally got sound working tonight and then that happened
[10:37] <ChaosZ3RO> any other ideas?
[10:38] <DaRyN> is there like a Linux for beginners #??
[10:38] <julio> DaRyN.......there is. sort of.
[10:38] <DaRyN> and that would be??
[10:38] <rubenv> ubuntu!
[10:38] <rubenv> my mum uses ubuntu
[10:38] <julio> althought i'd to agree with rubenv.
[10:38] <DaRyN> apart from rtfm
[10:39] <ChaosZ3RO> any other ideas?
[10:39] <rubenv> you can't be more beginner then my mum
[10:39] <julio> i'd say xandros.
[10:39] <ChaosZ3RO> for my problem  <_>
[10:39] <rubenv> julio: there's starting the right way and starting the easy way
[10:39] <rubenv> ubuntu has em both :)
[10:39] <Infinitus> I'm hungry.
[10:39] <julio> although "beginner" distros are good in the beginning. one starts to grow out of them.
[10:39] <julio> i did.
[10:40] <rubenv> yeah, that's why i don't advocate em
[10:40] <DaRyN> yeah but rubenv, I need to share a folder that i can access from my windows machine and not the home dir, i created another that I want to use for backups
[10:40] <julio> DaRyN....you'd have to make a FAT32 partiton.
[10:40] <julio> that way windows can see it.
[10:40] <DaRyN> i can see my home dir thowe
[10:40] <rubenv> DaRyN: couple of clicks in ubuntu hoary, especially if you look on the wiki for a while
[10:40] <rubenv> but my shower is calling me
[10:41] <DaRyN> i can navigate my home dir
[10:41] <DaRyN> thx rubenv
[10:41] <DaRyN> will look no wnow
[10:41] <rubenv> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:41] <rubenv> this might be of help too
[10:42] <ChaosZ3RO> what does alt f7 do?
[10:44] <necromancer_> hi
[10:46] <randabis-laptop> ahh...good ol' laptop
[10:49] <liquidboy> how do i mount a reiser fs on ubuntu (the reiser fs is on /dev/hdb5)
[10:50] <ChaosZ3RO> I get this when I try to log into xfce: X server already running on display : 0
[10:50] <ChaosZ3RO> xfce4-session: unable to access file /home/ben/.ICEauthority: Permission Denied
[10:51] <Zindar> liquidboy: mount /dev/hdb5 /mountpoint
[10:51] <randabis-laptop> liquidboy, mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb5 /path/to/mountpoint
[10:51] <ChaosZ3RO> anyone have any ideas on what I should do?
[10:52] <randabis-laptop> you could try CTRL ALT BACKSPACE Chaos
[10:52] <dread65> hey guys how do i make it so gnome doesnt keep loading stuff that i had the last time i logged in
[10:52] <dread65> its really annoyin
[10:52] <dread65> g
[10:53] <Lathiat> dread65: save the session when you logout
[10:53] <Lathiat> dread65: with nothing loaded
[10:53] <dread65> is that the only way
[10:53] <randabis-laptop> no
[10:53] <Lathiat> you can cahnge your session in the sessions preferences as well, but thats probably the easiest way
[10:53] <randabis-laptop> you can tell it not to save your session
[10:53] <liquidboy> randabis-laptop, i did that and i got "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5,
[10:53] <liquidboy>        or too many mounted file systems
[10:53] <liquidboy> "
[10:53] <dread65> randabis-laptop:  where
[10:54] <randabis-laptop> liquidboy, try the way Zindar suggested then
[10:54] <randabis-laptop> mount /dev/hdb5 /mountpoint
[10:54] <dread65> i dont see anywhere in the "sessions" area where i can change this
[10:54] <Lathiat> dread65: warty or hoary?
[10:54] <dread65> warty
[10:54] <liquidboy> randabis-laptop, same result
[10:55] <randabis-laptop> maybe it's a bad partition...dunno
[10:55] <Lathiat> dread65: uh i cant remember which menu its in, under on eof the menus in the top left of your screen theres a 'Preferences', select Sessions under that
[10:55] <dread65> Lathiat: yeah i am looking at that
[10:55] <liquidboy> randabis-laptop, i messed with the paritions, and stuffed up my other linux partition, so that the mount point wasn't "/", i cant boot into it anymore, im hoping to be able to retrieve files from it
[10:55] <dread65> i dont see an option to turn it off
[10:56] <ChaosZ3RO> leave
[11:02] <dread65> hey
[11:02] <dread65> what do i need to install Mplayer
[11:02] <dread65> i keep getting an error saying i cant install it
[11:03] <dread65> thru Snaptic
[11:03] <dread65> what repo do i need to add thanks
[11:04] <PWM> should I use a 686 kernel on my centrino laptop?
[11:04] <dread65> PWM: i did
[11:04] <PWM> ok...
[11:05] <PWM> I just didn't know what to do... I mean it's a centrino but I "think" it's based on a P3, so the 686 should work :)
[11:12] <JoaoMarcus> Is there any way to enable wireless for Ubuntu without resorting to recompiling the kernel with CONFIG_NET_RADIO?
[11:16] <PWM> I just installed hoary, but when I type "startx" it says "-bash: startx: command not found"... can anyone help? :)
[11:16] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: i'm quite sure that wireless is already compiled in to the ubuntu standard kernels
[11:17] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: what wireless card are you trying to use?
[11:18] <dread65> hey guys waht do i need to just scan for wireless networks around me
[11:18] <JoaoMarcus> A Prism2.5 based card (D-Link somenumber Rev. e)
[11:19] <TreadingSoftl1> Hi I'm trying to print truetype fonts in ghostscript. I've installed the fonts in my linux system's .../fonts directory in a myfonts folder, and added this folder to /etc/fonts/local.conf. I've created symlinks to them in the .../ghostscript/fonts directory. Fonts like "Palatino Linotype" have entries in /etc/fonts/Fontmap" like "Palatino-Linotype". However, when I print to PDF from KWord (choosing to embed the entire font), Palatino Linotype emerg
[11:20] <JoaoMarcus> jcoxon77: IMHO wireless networking should be at least compiled as a kernel module, many people are using it
[11:21] <JoaoMarcus> but I'll just get the kernel source deb and recompile it, I wanted to include inotify anyway
[11:22] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: I have a wireless PRISM based card running 802.11G under ubuntu without having to do anything but network setup
[11:22] <JoaoMarcus> ironwolf: Mine doesn't work without hostap and its firmware
[11:23] <ironwolf> hostap?
[11:23] <PWM> I just installed hoary, but when I type "startx" it says "-bash: startx: command not found"... can anyone help?
[11:23] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: first, Warty or Hoary? and is it a PCMCIA card?
[11:24] <JoaoMarcus> Warty
[11:24] <JoaoMarcus> It's a PCI card
[11:24] <ironwolf> what's hostap?
[11:25] <JoaoMarcus> DWL-520 rev. e
[11:25] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: what kernel are you running?
[11:25] <JoaoMarcus> hostap is a driver for Prism 2/2.5/3, I'm running 2.6.8
[11:26] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: does your card work with wlan-ng
[11:26] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: usually prism's do
[11:26] <JoaoMarcus> not really, I need hostap to load its firmware
[11:27] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: okay, cause all that is need usually is for wlan-ng software to be installed
[11:28] <ironwolf> JoaoMarkcus: I don't even have wlan-ng installed. Hmmm....
[11:28] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: perhaps you should suggest that hostap is included? i'm not sure how tho
[11:28] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: If it were me?  I'd try hoary, but I'm already running hoary....
[11:29] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: upgrading to hoary is probably less painful short term than custom kerneling your system.
[11:29] <Infinitus> whatis hoary
[11:29] <Infinitus> ?
[11:29] <Ng> the next release of ubuntu
[11:29] <Ng> in development at the moment
[11:29] <Infinitus> oh I see.
[11:29] <ironwolf> Warty= Stable released ubuntu, Hoary= development release *very stable for my purposes*
[11:30] <Infinitus> If I don't like ubuntu I'll reinstall Arch.
[11:30] <ironwolf> Infinitus: and it needs testing if your feeling brave. :)
[11:30] <JoaoMarcus> I tried Mepis
[11:30] <ironwolf> Mepis?
[11:30] <Infinitus> But i'm going to give ubuntu a fair shot.
[11:30] <JoaoMarcus> Gave up because every single kernel image would kernel-panic
[11:31] <JoaoMarcus> (except for the default one)
[11:31] <Infinitus> JoaoMarcus, bummer.
[11:31] <Infinitus> A lot of distros out there are total garbage.
[11:31] <Infinitus> it's hard to find a good distro.
[11:31] <JoaoMarcus> Mepis is pretty cool indeed, very easy to install
[11:31] <Infinitus> If ubuntu doesn't work to great for me i'm just going to reinstall Arch.
[11:32] <ironwolf> Infinitus: how's it working so far?
[11:32] <JoaoMarcus> Ubuntu worked great for me, just like other distros I tried it wouldn't work with my wireless card at first (I HAVE firmware-less cards)
[11:32] <JoaoMarcus> HAVE -> HATE
[11:33] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: the firmware might be in Universe or Multiverse
[11:33] <JoaoMarcus> well I can't d/l or use synaptic because I can't connect to the Internet :P
[11:33] <JoaoMarcus> (i'm at work now)
[11:36] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: looks like hostap-utils is in Universe.  Probably license issues with the firmware it isn't in main or installed by default would be my guess.
[11:37] <Infinitus> So far i haven't downloaded ubuntu yet.
[11:37] <Infinitus> it should be fine though.
[11:38] <Infinitus> I'll see how I like having ubuntu compared to Arch linux.
[11:38] <ironwolf> Infinitus: if you've used an apt based linux, you'll be fine.  Even if you haven't. Ubuntu is very nice.
[11:39] <JoaoMarcus> yeah I love Google: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1615.html
[11:42] <liquidboy> is there any way to access a partition where i stuffed it up so it cant boot?
[11:42] <ironwolf> liquidboy: livecd?
[11:43] <Infinitus> ubuntu better be fun or I'm going to breakdance fight whoever.
[11:43] <ironwolf> lol
[11:43] <Infinitus> :)
[11:43] <ironwolf> off to bed for me.
[11:43] <liquidboy> ironwolf, ive installed another ubuntu partition, so yea, but i could also do it from ab ubuntu install
[11:44] <liquidboy> ironwolf, what i did was in mandrake 9 (i used tahat to change the partitios) i made a new partition and set the mount point to "/", and the main ubuntu partition had no mount point, then i wrote it, then i changed it back, but it was already stuffed
[11:44] <liquidboy> *phew*
[11:44] <liquidboy> sorry that was long P
[11:44] <liquidboy> *:P
[11:45] <JoaoMarcus> Any idea why when I first installed Ubuntu it would't scan my windows network for computers?
[11:45] <liquidboy> oh ironwolf has gone :( - does anyone else have any ideas?
[11:51] <liquidboy> anyone?
[11:54] <odyssey> JoaoMarcus, have installed samba or set the workgroup name most likely
[11:54] <JoaoMarcus> odyssey: done that
[11:57] <odyssey> you using warty?
[11:58] <JoaoMarcus> yup
[11:59] <odyssey> firewall?
[11:59] <JoaoMarcus> none...
[12:00] <JoaoMarcus> that doesn't seem to be a problem with Ubuntu, I had such problem with Debian too
[12:00] <odyssey> should have worked then..
[12:00] <odyssey> its working now?
[12:02] <JoaoMarcus> No :-(
[12:03] <odyssey> hmmm gnomevfs installed?
[12:05] <odyssey> you looked at the wiki? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:05] <odyssey> it might offer some clues
[12:05] <srid> does the 'gamin' in hoary use 'inotify' of linux kernel or just FAM?
[12:05] <jdub> fam isn't in the kernel
[12:05] <jdub> gamin and fam use dnotify
[12:05] <jdub> only gamin uses inotify
[12:06] <srid> jdub, i mean by 'default' what does it use?
[12:06] <srid> Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to be
[12:06] <srid> a subset of the FAM (File Alteration Monitor) system.
[12:06] <srid> that is in the README
[12:06] <mjr> yep
[12:06] <srid> i saw in website .. ./configure --enable-inotify .. enables inotify in gamin
[12:07] <mjr> gamin is a reimplementation of (certain parts of) fam
[12:07] <srid> is that configure option used for making this deb?
[12:07] <jdub> srid: if inotify is enabled in the kernel, our gamin will use inotify
[12:07] <jdub> srid: no, it's enabled by default
[12:07] <srid> jdub, i am using hoary which has inotify and I have /dev/inotify too
[12:07] <srid> ok
[12:07] <srid> jdub, i have one question about this gamin
[12:07] <srid> can I monitor 'any' file a filesystem rather than monitoring specific file?
[12:08] <srid> *file in a
[12:08] <jdub> you can monitor files or directories
[12:08] <jdub> you cannot monitor an entire filesystem
[12:08] <srid> s/filesystem/partitionofHD
[12:08] <srid> jdub, then how does Beagle gets notified of a change in some file?
[12:09] <srid> (beagle uses inotify)
[12:09] <jdub> srid: beagle uses inotify directly on particular folders
[12:09] <srid> jdub, doesn't it monitory 'every' file?
[12:09] <srid> *monitor
[12:10] <srid> jdub, can i give a hint about what those folders are?
[12:10] <srid> s/i/you
[12:13] <EvolutionR> Everytime I boot my Hoary, there two erro dialog window. 1) Error - Missing command to run.  2) Insufficient privileges - You must have root user privileges to use Firestarter. Please help!
[12:13] <srid> jdub,
[12:17] <sladen> EvolutionR: how are you trying to start firestarter?
[12:18] <tuxJr_14_> hi
[12:19] <EvolutionR> sladen: I already remove the from gnome session startup, but it still come out
[12:19] <pavkonti> where is httpd.conf of apache2 server in ubuntu?
[12:20] <sladen> EvolutionR: grep -ri firestarter ~
[12:20] <srid> Starting with release 0.0.21, gamin comes with Python bindings. But I cannot find the python bindings with Ubuntu 'gamin'
[12:20] <weblin> how do I get gnome to read my path from /etc/profile? if I try to launch eclipse from it's executable, It says java isn't in path. but i've added it to the $PATH in /etc/profile
[12:23] <EvolutionR> sladen: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1057
[12:24] <StackGuard> hi there...
[12:26] <StackGuard> does anyone have an idea, why my ubuntu instalation freezes at 95% when installing the base system? is it a known issue or not really?
[12:26] <thenuke> Might the medium be OK?
[12:27] <Dreamer3_> hmmmmmmmm
[12:27] <Dreamer3_> what command do i run to put a system to sleep using acpi?
[12:28] <StackGuard> thenuke: yes... checked the md5 of the iso, recorded 3cds on 3 diferent machine, just in case..
[12:30] <EvolutionR> who's using debian 3.0? woody? the installation same as ubuntu?
[12:30] <EvolutionR> debian 3.0 woody using 2.4.18?
[12:31] <Lathiat> EvolutionR: the ubuntu installer is based off the debian sarge installer
[12:31] <EvolutionR> meaning to say debian installing procedure same as ubuntu?
[12:31] <i386> hmm
[12:32] <Jaia> Quick question: Can I install ubuntu using the live-cd ?
[12:32] <Jaia> Or do I need to download the regular cd for that ?
[12:32] <i386> does the ubuntu ppc kernels contain that patch to ignore bad memory on the boot args?
[12:32] <terry_> Ubuntu doesnt have wine in the repository??
[12:32] <KlaasVaag> terry_: it does..
[12:32] <Dreamer3_> what command do i run to put a system to sleep using acpi?
[12:33] <KlaasVaag> at least in universe repositories it does
[12:33] <terry_> In amd64??
[12:33] <KlaasVaag> terry_: i dont know about that
[12:33] <terry_> KlaasVaag, it doesnt look like it
[12:33] <KlaasVaag> you have the universe repos enabled?
[12:33] <terry_> KlaasVaag yes
[12:33] <StackGuard> whelll
[12:33] <StackGuard> here goes another
[12:34] <StackGuard> cya
[12:34] <terry_> I am running hoary too
[12:34] <srid> 'apt-get remove gamin' asks to remove 114 (including abiword, gnome apps) packages!!!
[12:34] <KlaasVaag> terry_: ok.. then i do not know.. for me it is in the reps
[12:34] <srid> just now I installed 'gamin'
[12:34] <srid> i don't think any other package depends on it!!
[12:35] <terry_> KlaasVaag, and the package is called wine.  I found wine docs lol, but no wine
[12:35] <Jaia> Nobody feels like answering my question ? :(
[12:35] <terry_> Guess its not ready for the 64bit userland yet
[12:35] <mjr> and it probably won't be
[12:36] <terry_> mjr why??
[12:36] <mjr> the wine folk seemed to have the stance that it's best to run wine in 32-bit mode and not do the necessary translation stuff in wine
[12:36] <Jaia> Can I install ubuntu using the live-cd or not ?
[12:36] <terry_> mjr, I dont mind running it in 32-bit mode
[12:36] <mjr> I tend to agree, since the kernel does that already, but of course that'd require multiarch suppor
[12:36] <mjr> t
[12:37] <terry_> Ubuntu has multiarch support yes??
[12:37] <mjr> or major kludging
[12:37] <mjr> no, it hasn't, Ubuntu has some major kludging for Openoffice.org :)
[12:37] <Hwolf> mrj: what's wrong with OO?
[12:37] <mjr> Hwolf, nothing
[12:37] <terry_> define cludging
[12:37] <Jaia> God damn you nerds. I'm trying to convert to the darn linux religion here, and you won't even preach to me.

[12:37] <terry_> kludging
[12:38] <terry_> Linux isnt for everyone Jaia, you either love it or hate it
[12:38] <terry_> you will know almost instantly
[12:38] <Jaia> I'm merely asking...
[12:38] <terry_> I did
[12:38] <Jaia> Can I install ubuntu using the live-cd or not ?
[12:38] <Neill_> no
[12:38] <terry_> Jaia you can install gentoo from the Ubuntu Livecd
[12:38] <JoaoMarcus> terry_: http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=kludge
[12:38] <Jaia> Ok, thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I'll go download the install cd now then.
[12:39] <terry_> I dont know how, but I know you can
[12:39] <mjr> well, basically just some separate 32-bit libs in lib32, and the oo.o package compiled against them
[12:39] <Hwolf> Damn. I can't log in to gmail on thunderbird anymore.
[12:39] <mjr> if you need to run wine on your amd64 box, the easiest way is probably to set up a 32-bit chroot environment
[12:39] <mjr> and install it there
[12:39] <odyssey> Hwolf, why not?
[12:39] <klaym> it's more like this: you either love linux and are open minded, or you're afraid of it and closed minded slave of MS
[12:40] <klaym> or you're not very passionate of computers in general and hence use MS products
[12:40] <Jaia> klaym: You must have missed my actual question.
[12:40] <terry_> Or you have a Mac
[12:40] <terry_> And in that case good job
[12:40] <Hwolf> odyssey: I tried setting up evolution, since then tb is screwed up
[12:40] <mjr> chroot instructions are available at least on https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, dunno if there's a ready-made ubuntu equivalent but things are pretty much the same
[12:40] <klaym> I was referring to terry_'s speak
[12:41] <odyssey> it should still work the same... im assuming your popping it. thats odd
[12:41] <Hwolf> odyssey: I get 'username/password not accepted' while I know they are 100% correct
[12:41] <terry_> thanks mjr, will try that tomorrow.  Gotta be able to run my win32 games still
[12:42] <terry_> and kludge mjr!!  Very good word!! I am impressed!!  It like tottally encompasses what you were saying
[12:42] <terry_> But I must go to school
[12:42] <mjr> (actually, I currently have a Debian sid x86, not Ubuntu, chroot on my AMD64 box)
[12:43] <NanoTek> Kikoo !!
[12:43] <Hwolf> mkr, evil!
[12:43] <mjr> ain't I just
[12:44] <Hwolf> mjr: why deb-sid?
[12:44] <Hwolf> mjr: what does it have that ubuntu lacks?
[12:45] <mjr> well, mostly marillat works together better with it, plus some other packages like thoggen
[12:46] <mjr> though, to be fair, making the chroot Hoary would've probably served most of my purposes well enough
[12:46] <Hwolf> mjr: marillat is illegal, how dare you? :-P
[12:46] <mjr> watch me not care :
[12:47] <mjr> besides, we don't, in principle, have software patents here. In practice, though, well, let's see how the directive goes...
[12:48] <Hwolf> mjr: let's hope for the best.
[12:48] <mjr> and of course there's the matter of the w32codecs package, but ah well. I rarely need that anyway, watch most of my videos with totem-xine on the amd64 side
[12:48] <Hwolf> mjr: use xine-ui. That saves you from breaking u-desktop
[12:49] <mjr> nah, I like totem's ui better
[12:49] <mjr> and I know enough to reinstall u-desktop before my hoary update to get all the new stuff :)
[12:49] <mjr> or after, whichever
[12:51] <Hwolf> mjr: once you'll forget, that'll mess you up.
[12:51] <Hwolf> :-P
[12:52] <Hwolf> Is there any possible reason for the fact that after I messed with evolution, suddenly I can't acces gmail from thunderbird?
[12:54] <terry_> mjr, thats the wrong way, I need a 32bit chroot, thats a 64bit chroot
[12:54] <shock> i am still amazed at how well a package-manager synaptic has become....
[12:55] <shock> somehow ubuntu lost alot of the linux-feel *g*
[12:55] <shock> *clickhere* *clickthere*
[12:56] <moyogo> it's more a gnome-feel
[12:57] <rubenv> shock: hmmmm?
[12:57] <rubenv> what do you mean?
[12:57] <terry_> I thought xorg was default in hoary?? I am still running Xfree86 4.3dfg
[12:57] <terry_> do I have to update-alternatives or something??
[12:57] <terry_> so that gdm will use it??
[12:58] <shock> i mean ubuntu is getting to the point of opacity for the gui that letz say osx has
[12:58] <shock> and I think I'll go a few days on text-mode only... to remember the days when getting any x running was a pain
[12:58] <shock> *g*
[12:59] <JoaoMarcus> lol
[12:59] <terry_> How do I use xorg rather than Xfree86??
[01:00] <shock> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[01:00] <terry_> Nevermind, I think I am using Xorg, its just early in the morning
[01:01] <nir> Someone here run on G5 and have sound?
[01:01] <terry_> whats the little program do do transparency with xorg??
[01:01] <nir> I check both warty and hoary daily, no sound
[01:02] <nir> horay has nice error messages about sounds on startup
[01:03] <nir> "invalid card number" "no sound card found"
[01:04] <terry> nir what kind of card??
[01:04] <terry> Crap i have to go to test transparency
[01:10] <nir> G5 built in sound
[01:11] <kha> que pachaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:11] <kha> uuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeee
[01:11] <npino> olaaaaa
[01:12] <kha> wenass
[01:12] <Hwolf> Has anyone here configured gmail in thunderbird?
[01:12] <Gusto_> yes
[01:12] <Hwolf> Gusto_ did you have any problems?
[01:12] <Gusto_> nope
[01:13] <npino> olaaa jessy!!!
[01:14] <npino> ollaaaaaaa
[01:14] <jmarquez> olaaaaaaa
[01:14] <jmarquez> k t cuentas?
[01:14] <npino> aki aburria tu?
[01:14] <jmarquez> jeje
[01:14] <jmarquez> pos tmbien
[01:14] <jmarquez> el otro es menos aburrio
[01:14] <npino> si
[01:14] <npino> jajaja
[01:14] <kha> kien eres?
[01:14] <npino> yo?
[01:14] <kha> jmarquez?
[01:15] <jmarquez> si
[01:15] <jmarquez> y tu?
[01:15] <jmarquez> eooooooooo
[01:15] <kha> pero que kien eres?
[01:15] <fabbione> this is an english chan
[01:15] <kha> amonos!!!
[01:15] <npino> what?
[01:15] <kha> a alpujarra
[01:15] <npino> jajajaja
[01:15] <fabbione> please use #ubuntu-<country>
[01:16] <kha> jmarquez y npino amos a alpujarra
[01:16] <Gusto_> Hwolf: are you having proble,s?
[01:16] <npino> espera k la encontremos
[01:16] <Hwolf> Gusto_ major problems:
[01:16] <jmarquez> si pero kien eres (el de amarillo)
[01:16] <fabbione> last call..
[01:16] <Hwolf> jmarquez: English please, not everyone here speaks spanish.
[01:16] <kha> es almohadilla alpujarra
[01:17] <fabbione> please move on #ubuntu-es
[01:17] <npino> ok
[01:17] <fabbione> this is an english chan
[01:17] <kha> ok
[01:17] <kha> tranki tronko
[01:17] <Hwolf> gusto_: I tried messing with evolution; since then I can't acces gmail from thunderbird
[01:17] <npino> kha ya estamos en alpujarra
[01:18] <Gusto_> Hwolf: you are using port 995 for pop?
[01:18] <Gusto_> and secure connection?
[01:18] <npino> speaks spanish?
[01:18] <Hwolf> gusto_: Yup. Identical settings, right password even
[01:18] <npino> yo hablo espaol
[01:18] <Hwolf> npino: Nothing but english here.
[01:18] <fabbione> please move to #ubuntu-es
[01:19] <npino> espaol
[01:19] <npino> ESPAOL
[01:19] <Gusto_> Hwolf: did you click save changes after enabling pop in gmail?
[01:19] <fabbione> i keep forgetting to remove the kick thingy from my irc client
[01:19] <Hwolf> Gusto_ I've been using gmail in thunderbird for months. It's just now that it doesn't work.
[01:19] <Gusto_> Hwolf: aah, ok
[01:21] <pioo1> fabbione: guess he didn't see that coming... :-)
[01:21] <Hwolf> Gusto: I've even updated to the backports version. Doesn't work.
[01:21] <fabbione> no but i need to remember to remove them
[01:21] <fabbione> they can be pretty offensive
[01:21] <fabbione> and that's not the point of the kick
[01:22] <pioo1> that one was...
[01:22] <fabbione> i know.. that's why i need to remember to remove them
[01:23] <pioo1> you better get rid of it wright away. this guy seemed not to speak english but someone else can...
[01:24] <fabbione> can any spanish guy please apologise for me in spanish with him?
[01:24] <Gusto_> hmm, i cant seem to log on using ssh anymore
[01:24] <fabbione> it was not meant to be offensive
[01:25] <daniels> fabbione: may I suggest irssi? ;)
[01:25] <fabbione> daniels: no way :-)
[01:26] <Lathiat> no client beats irssi :)
[01:26] <Gusto_> bx is only used by scriptkiddies
[01:26] <fabbione> bx > *
[01:26] <fabbione> mIRC > irssi
[01:26] <Quazion> bx had great detach support, before i found screen ;-) i and i am no scriptkiddie...
[01:26] <Lathiat> bx > * > irssi :)
[01:27] <Lathiat> wait argh wrong way around
[01:27] <Lathiat> that totally backfired
[01:27] <fabbione> Lathiat: too late ;)
[01:27] <Quazion> but irssi is a great piece of software
[01:28] <Hwolf> Gusto_: Can you get into gmail from tb?
[01:29] <Gusto_> Hwolf: yes i can
[01:29] <kbrooks> hey
[01:34] <Hwolf> Anyone here a thunderbird user?
[01:38] <pioo1> Hwolf: i don't use Thunderbird but I can recommend You Sylpheed...
[01:40] <shock_> argh
[01:40] <krybabie> hi
[01:40] <shock_> ho
[01:40] <krybabie> i am having a problem with a samba network printer
[01:40] <krybabie> the print queue will not empty
[01:40] <krybabie> the printer is a HP 6110
[01:41] <krybabie> any ideas ?
[01:42] <krybabie> it works on one pc not the other
[01:42] <krybabie> is it just a setting ?
[01:43] <shock_> i have no clue about samba-printers :/
[01:44] <ultimate_buzz> hello
[01:46] <looksaus> I'm running debian, but since #debian should really be renamed #trollflame
[01:46] <krybabie> i am connecting it to a samba print share
[01:46] <looksaus> I'm asking my question here
[01:46] <krybabie> it prints then does not flush the queue
[01:46] <looksaus> please don't answer if you feel that isn't appropriate
[01:47] <looksaus> I would like to know if it's possible to add users from a text file
[01:47] <looksaus> surely there must exist some shell scripts for that?
[01:47] <looksaus> I know in earlier days, there was something like "newusers" in debian
[01:48] <JoaoMarcus> adduser?
[01:48] <JoaoMarcus> useradd?
[01:48] <Guardiann> good morning everyone
[01:48] <JoaoMarcus> adduseradd?
[01:48] <looksaus> JoaoMarcus, multiple users?
[01:48] <LinuxJones> looksaus, you could easily write one, I don't know the syntax offhand but it would be no problem.
[01:49] <looksaus> LinuxJones, thx for the help, but I'm really trying not to reinvent the wheel here
[01:50] <Lathiat> looksaus: i have a 'newusers' command on my ubuntu system
[01:50] <snowblink> hello - about to install kmail and run in GNOME. Anything I should look out for?
[01:50] <Lathiat> looksaus: its in the package... *waits*
[01:50] <looksaus> Lathiat, oh, wait,
[01:50] <looksaus> I wasn't root when looking for
[01:50] <Lathiat> snowblink: ooc, tried evolution ?
[01:50] <looksaus> newusers... sorry, really stupid of me
[01:51] <Lathiat> snowblink: apart from that, themes tend to suck a bit, i forget what you need to install to set them
[01:51] <krybabie> any one that can help with the samba printer problem ?
[01:51] <snowblink> Lathiat: Yeah, I've been trying kmail alternatives - Thuderbird, Evolution, mutt. But I can't get everything I got out of kmail in those...
[01:51] <plut> hi
[01:51] <andrewski> is there any system documentation available, e.g. where to set my system language env vars?
[01:51] <Lathiat> snowblink: what do you want?
[01:52] <Lathiat> snowblink: (just curious for future hacking possibilities)
[01:52] <plut> hi, how do i mount a ntfs drive in ubuntu?
[01:52] <andrewski> plut: take a look at ubuntuguide.com (org?)
[01:52] <plut> k
[01:53] <snowblink> Lathiat: key is multiple email addresses associated with one account
[01:53] <plut> .org
[01:53] <plut> ;)
[01:53] <looksaus> thx, Lathiat
[01:53] <LinuxJones> MM2, howto's of any kind are great post it in the wiki
[01:54] <snowblink> Lathiat: You can in Thunderbird, but you have to edit prefs.js by hand.
[01:55] <MM2> LinuxJones: I have not yet wrote it, neither it is perfect. I can just use accounts and passwords from w2k server with winbind
[01:55] <Hwolf> Anyone here?
[01:56] <Guardiann> Hwolf always ;)
[01:56] <Hwolf> Guardiann, can you do me a favor?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> MM2, that's ok someone else can edit it and make any changes to help improve the howto. Did you check the wiki to see if someone has started one already ?
[01:56] <website> Hwolf, there are 343 people to answer to your questions
[01:56] <Guardiann> sure whats that
[01:56] <Lathiat> snowblink: ahh
[01:57] <Hwolf> I need someone to try and acces my gmail account from thunderbird. See if I do anything wrong.
[01:57] <Lathiat> snowblink: you could just setup another mail account that has no receiving mail
[01:57] <website> Hwolf, you have to set gmail accoutn first
[01:57] <website> if you don't set it, it will not work
[01:57] <WizzoMaFizzo> Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me with the login for webmin?
[01:57] <Hwolf> website: I've been using it for months. Now i've set it up again, and it doesn't work.
[01:58] <benja> how do i edit in hoary the applet "disk mounter"
[01:58] <website> Hwolf, you have to set encryption
[01:59] <WizzoMaFizzo> No one knows anything about webmin?
[01:59] <Hwolf> website: i did
[02:00] <MM2> LinuxJones: nope, where's wiki? :)
[02:00] <principerobot> Can someone help me, please?
[02:00] <website> Hwolf, i setted my account on evolution yesterday
[02:00] <website> and it works
[02:00] <Lathiat> benjanet: what do you eamean edit it?
[02:00] <ultimate_buzz> does anyone know how to disable the autostart of ICEwm , i only want this as an opertunity and @ boot i want my lovely terminal
[02:01] <benjanet> i had for mounts..i deleted one by accident..i dont know how to get it back..
[02:01] <WizzoMaFizzo> Maybe you could switch to another tty?
[02:01] <Zindar> ultimate: you don't want X to start on booot?
[02:01] <Hwolf> website: I tried to set it in evolution, since then it doesn't work in gmail anymore.
[02:01] <principerobot> Do you know how can I mount my cardreader?
[02:01] <spiral> hi
[02:01] <WizzoMaFizzo> Then you don't have to disable the X server.
[02:01] <Lathiat> principerobot: just plug it in, it should come up
[02:01] <principerobot> it's integred
[02:01] <benjanet> Lathiat,  i had 4 mounts..i deleted one by accident..i dont know how to get it back
[02:02] <Lathiat> benjanet: well its controlled by whats in /etc/fstab
[02:02] <website> Hwolf, i don't understand but it works on evolution
[02:02] <Lathiat> benjanet: and also by automounted stuff when you plug it in
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: oh its part of your laptop?
[02:02] <principerobot> I have a laptop ACER Aspire 1681
[02:02] <principerobot> yes
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: if it doesnt popup a window when you plug a card in, then its probably not supported.
[02:02] <benjanet> Lathiat, my fstab is fine.
[02:02] <principerobot> no
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: alot of those arent standard devices
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: closed-spec drivers we dont know how to talk to, so your out of luck.
[02:03] <Lathiat> principerobot: could try google or something see if someone figured it out
[02:03] <ultimate_buzz> Zindar: yep i want my terminal @ boot
[02:03] <leitao> please, what is the difference between warty and satable in the sources.list thirty colum ?
[02:03] <leitao> s/satable/stable
[02:03] <principerobot> But when I put a memory card in my computer, something happends
[02:03] <LesleyB> snowblink : thanks for your help the other day.  I had to completely re-install XP in the end. BUT I tried knoppix on my XP box and was able to ping between the ubuntu and knoppix with no changes to the ubuntu set up
[02:04] <principerobot> the mouse cursor would slowly
[02:04] <ultimate_buzz> i only want the x with icewm when i start it
[02:04] <LesleyB> even disconnected from the net and with no firewall operating I still couldn't get XP to respond to ICMP from the ubuntu box.
[02:04] <principerobot> and then quickly again
[02:04] <t31> someone knows how to have several keyboard languages from the panels like kde does?
[02:06] <snowblink> Lathiat: Cheers for that. I'll have a bit more of a play on Evolution before I kmail it.
[02:06] <Se7h> does anyone have a problem with alien ?
[02:08] <JoaoMarcus> I've never met an alien
[02:08] <ultimate_buzz> i return from the ubuntu machine ,D
[02:08] <Se7h> lol
[02:08] <Se7h> it worked fine
[02:08] <Se7h> now it's stupid
[02:08] <principerobot> ;)
[02:08] <Se7h> gives me some dumb errors
[02:10] <spiral> hmmm... any tip about amarok 1.2 beta4 in hoary ?
[02:11] <snowblink> t31: have you tried the keyboard setup window?
[02:11] <snowblink> t31: computer->desktop pref->keyboard
[02:12] <Gusto_> anyone got ident to work?
[02:12] <snowblink> t31: + the keyboard layout indicator in a panel...
[02:13] <kebac> Gusto_: what's your problem
[02:13] <Gusto_> kebac: i got oident running, but i dont get an ident on any irc servers
[02:14] <kebac> Gusto_: are you behind nat
[02:14] <Gusto_> kebac: yes
[02:14] <kebac> Gusto_: what kind of nat router
[02:15] <Gusto_> kebac: its a zyxel prestige 931r
[02:15] <kebac> Gusto_: then you can try to forward port 113 to you oidentd host, but i think it's not going to work
[02:16] <Gusto_> kebac: I have already forwarded port 113 to the host
[02:16] <kebac> Gusto_: ok
[02:16] <kebac> Gusto_: the problem with identd and nat is, that the nat makes your source port different than it really is
[02:16] <Gusto_> hmm
[02:16] <kebac> Gusto_: your irc connection from your machine originates from a different port than from your nat router
[02:17] <kebac> Gusto_: and when irc server asks your machine about your ident, it only know about the source port originating from your nat router
[02:17] <flosch> hi
[02:17] <AzMoo> Hey guys. I'm trying to play a movie, I think it's divX format, but I'm getting a blank screen, audio, no visual. Do I need to get a codec from somewhere?
[02:18] <kebac> Gusto_: that is why you should have some kind of ident proxying enabled on your nat router
[02:18] <Gusto_> but i get the ident questions from the irc servers. but oidentd replys NO:USER
[02:18] <Gusto_> strangly this worked on slackware and fedora
[02:18] <kebac> Gusto_: yeah, that is because irc server asks for wrong source port
[02:19] <kebac> Gusto_: did it work with same nat box? i have heard that some boxes have ident proxying
[02:19] <Gusto_> same nat box
[02:19] <kebac> Gusto_: hmm... then i dont know.. i have a netbsd box doing NAT, and i have oidentd handling ident proxy on all machines
[02:20] <Gusto_> aah, maybe i should turn off the damn nat and use a box
[02:20] <kebac> Gusto_: what you mean
[02:20] <Gusto_> same thing you are doing
[02:20] <kebac> Gusto_: that could work
[02:21] <kebac> Gusto_: no, it works
[02:21] <Gusto_> hehe, i know, had a linux router project box a time back, it worked smooth
[02:21] <kebac> Gusto_: you have to make your adsl-box to use bridge-mode
[02:21] <Gusto_> till the power supply burned up
[02:21] <paolinux> Hi *
[02:21] <spiral> hmmm... Is ubuntu UPnP compliant ?
[02:22] <Gusto_> kebac: yep
[02:22] <Gusto_> kebac: good thing i have full access to it
[02:22] <paolinux> i'm trying the new ubuntu live but ...
[02:22] <kebac> Gusto_: and run oidentd on nat machine... with switches oidentd -m -f
[02:22] <kebac> Gusto_: and for all client machines use oidentd -P routers.ip.address
[02:22] <paolinux> it seems to have same problem as the previous
[02:23] <Gusto_> ah, ok
[02:23] <Gusto_> thanks
[02:23] <paolinux> also if select italian or lang=it all gnome menu are in english
[02:23] <kebac> Gusto_: windows mirc's work without tuning
[02:24] <Gusto_> kebac: i dont use windows
[02:24] <ultibuzz> soso im back ;D
[02:25] <t31> snowblink: sorry babyemergency :P there is nothing like that there :P
[02:25] <kebac> Gusto_: we have two windows machines so it's good to have ident working on them as well
[02:25] <Gusto_> hmm, lrp is no more
[02:25] <spiral> anything about UPnP or smart batteries or amarok ?
[02:28] <ultimate_buzz> so ive i just delet the xdm entry in my init.d the pc shoud not start the desktop, am i right ?
[02:30] <website> ultimate_buzz, excuse me but i don't see any xdm in my /etc/init.d directory
[02:30] <website> only xfree86-common
[02:31] <ultimate_buzz> xdm comes befor xfree86-comon
[02:31] <ultimate_buzz> @ me
[02:32] <ultimate_buzz> im using the icewm
[02:32] <website> uhm, so you installed xdm, in this case if you delete the script the desktop will not work
[02:32] <website> but if you want to use it in all the runlevels
[02:32] <website> except one
[02:33] <website> you have to use update-rc.d command
[02:34] <ultimate_buzz> thats i want ,D
[02:34] <ultimate_buzz> i want my terminal
[02:34] <ultimate_buzz> and only if i start the desktop it shoud run
[02:35] <website> ok so you have to remove s link int /etc/rc2.d linked at xdm
[02:35] <website> to do this use update-rc.d
[02:35] <website> man update-rc.d
[02:36] <ultimate_buzz> thx for help
[02:38] <website> here to help ultimate_buzz
[02:41] <ultimate_buzz> so i reboot to test ;D
[02:43] <flamesrock_> *\
[02:45] <website> linux_mafia, italiano?
[02:45] <linux_mafia> website, nah bro
[02:52] <Justme> 6 more weeks of winter this really sucks
[02:53] <ultibuzz> it works ,D, update-rc.d xmd remove
[02:54] <ultibuzz> thx website
[02:55] <website> ultibuzz, if you want to run x
[02:55] <website> just
[02:55] <website> xdm
[02:55] <website> and it will worek
[02:55] <website> work
[02:55] <website> ultibuzz, you are welcome
[02:56] <Se7h> bash: ../configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[02:56] <Se7h> w00t ?
[02:56] <Se7h> o.0
[02:57] <ultibuzz> @ website that i know ;D starx do it also ;D
[02:57] <website> Se7h, so sh in terminal
[02:57] <website> what's up?
[02:57] <zhukov_> hi
[02:58] <website> s/so/do
[02:58] <Se7h> ./configure
[02:58] <Se7h> shouldn't be a problem
[02:58] <zhukov_> wm_eddie, r u there?
[02:59] <website> ah yes, Se7h check permissions (777)
[02:59] <Se7h> i checked
[02:59] <Se7h> im the owner
[02:59] <Se7h> rwx
[03:00] <Se7h> no prob with that
[03:00] <Se7h> wierd
[03:00] <zhukov_> I've installed eclipse, the icon is in the menu, all fine, but when i want to use it i get this error:The Eclipse executable launcher was unable to locate its
[03:00] <zhukov_> companion startup.jar file (in the same directory as the executable), but the file is there...
[03:00] <website> Se7h, it is srange
[03:00] <website> *strange
[03:02] <ultibuzz> mhhhh wheres my secont networkinterface its gone only the eth0 is in interfaces *GRUMPF*
[03:03] <Se7h> website very
[03:03] <website> Se7h, look at the code, it seems to be bugged
[03:04] <Se7h> seth@devil:~/0.geral/Documents/SCT/wxPython-src-<IP_ADDRESS>/bld $ ../configure bash: ../configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[03:04] <Se7h> what code?
[03:04] <dobry> hello
[03:05] <ultibuzz> i installed wxpython just a min ago q me it works fine
[03:05] <website> Se7h, look into configure script maybe there is not the " #" in the first line or something like this
[03:06] <Se7h> hmm
[03:06] <Se7h> i doubt it
[03:06] <Se7h> but i'll give it a shot
[03:07] <Se7h> #! /bin/sh
[03:07] <Se7h> nop
[03:07] <ultibuzz> how i get my eth1 back ? , its gone and i dont know why
[03:07] <Se7h> everything looks fine
[03:07] <website> ultibuzz, ifup eth1
[03:07] <ultibuzz> not working the eth1 is no longer in the interfaces
[03:08] <website> Se7h, i don't know how to help you since a configure script works fine on my system
[03:08] <ultibuzz> but why
[03:09] <website> i don't know
[03:09] <Slaven> argh
[03:09] <Slaven> why are there TWO Windows-keys on most keyboards?
[03:10] <Slaven> TWO?! it doesn't make sense!
[03:10] <Slaven> even ONE doesn't make sense.  Anyone ever really use it? I always clicked.
[03:11] <Slaven> Lathiat: fn? laptop?
[03:12] <ultibuzz> ctrl-HOLE-alt-space-alt gr -hole -list-strg
[03:12] <ultibuzz> ;ED
[03:12] <ultibuzz> i just hit strg+esc
[03:12] <Lathiat> Slaven: yeh
[03:12] <ultibuzz> same function as the winkey
[03:12] <zeedo> Slaven: yep, I use it alot for quick access to menu entries eg... winkey-r-enter
[03:13] <Slaven> I bet most Windows-users click the start menu.
[03:13] <zeedo> you can also use it in shortcuts eg... winkey+e runs explorer
[03:13] <Slaven> it's just annoying when you're gaming.
[03:13] <zeedo> Slaven: any good game should disable it
[03:13] <Slaven> ok, I'm no expert. just seems stup with two winkeys and only one real alt.
[03:14] <Slaven> stup+D
[03:14] <Slaven> -+I
[03:14] <zeedo> yeh, you could always remap the key to something else though :)
[03:14] <ultibuzz> or just remove them ;D
[03:14] <snowblink> Slaven: you can always physically remove it
[03:15] <zeedo> lol
[03:15] <ultibuzz> ^
[03:15] <snowblink> I usualy pry off the menu key
[03:15] <Slaven> snowblink: I have an old iCL here that I'm seriously considering using instead.
[03:15] <Slaven> it has ctrl,alt,space,altgr,ctrl
[03:15] <ultibuzz> bac in a sec ,D in win
[03:15] <zeedo> I use the windows keys and menu keys on my machines for other functions
[03:16] <zeedo> winkey opens a run prompt and menu key locks the desktop
[03:16] <Slaven> yeah
[03:16] <snowblink> zeedo: like it...
[03:16] <Slaven> but it could just as well have been called tellytubby-key and have a pic of a lala on it.
[03:16] <Slaven> it's just stupid.
[03:17] <zeedo> Slaven: its there to remind people that they could have had a crap OS but they chose ubuntu
[03:17] <zeedo> infact it was designed specifically for that by MS I hear
[03:17] <ulti|down> back ;D
[03:18] <ultibuzz> vnc is up and running ssh is up and running ;D
[03:18] <Slaven> oh yeah :)
[03:18] <ultibuzz> so the linux box can go into a tiny little corner ,D
[03:18] <snowblink> hmmm is there any way to map to keyboard shortcuts to one function?
[03:18] <snowblink> sorry 2 keyboard shortcuts
[03:18] <Slaven> ultibuzz: So you use windoze for desktop?
[03:18] <zeedo> snowblink: yeh, use xbindkeys
[03:19] <ultibuzz> jep
[03:19] <ultibuzz> couz of the games ;D
[03:19] <ultibuzz> nad some programms
[03:19] <snowblink> zeedo: cheers
[03:19] <ultibuzz> but server stuff routing and so un goes to the linux one ,D
[03:19] <zeedo> snowblink: np
[03:19] <tritium> strange, /etc/papersize doesn't belong to any package (according to "dpgk -S /etc/papersize")
[03:19] <ultibuzz> if the damn fucking eth1 return ;D
[03:27] <tritium> I just had to dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 to set /etc/papersize correctly.  I don't recall that being done during installation.
[03:30] <arnau_> Hello. Can anybody help me about install SD card on a dell X300 laptop?
[03:30] <ultibuzz> how i install manually a network interface in terminal
[03:31] <spiral> arnau_: hmmm... is it a usb mode reader ?
[03:31] <arnau_> how can I know it?
[03:32] <spiral> arnau_: under windows for example, does it work as a "usb disk" ?
[03:32] <spiral> arnau_: under linux you can maybe look in lspci
[03:33] <arnau_> I don't have a windows partition.
[03:33] <jesuel> wow, ive deicided that displaying my X windows over the network can definitely use the bandwith up
[03:33] <arnau_> if I write "lspci -v", it appears: 0000:02:03.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ac)
[03:33] <arnau_>         Subsystem: Dell Computer Corporation: Unknown device 014f
[03:33] <arnau_>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 168, IRQ 10
[03:33] <arnau_>         Memory at 28001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[03:33] <arnau_>         Bus: primary=02, secondary=03, subordinate=06, sec-latency=176
[03:33] <arnau_>         Memory window 0: 28400000-287ff000 (prefetchable)
[03:33] <arnau_>         Memory window 1: 28800000-28bff000
[03:33] <arnau_>         I/O window 0: 00004000-000040ff
[03:33] <arnau_>         I/O window 1: 00004400-000044ff
[03:34] <arnau_>         16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001
[03:35] <spiral> arnau_: when you plug a card...
[03:36] <spiral> arnau_: doesn't hotplug do anything ?
[03:36] <spiral> arnau_: you use ubuntu, don't you ?
[03:36] <arnau_> If I plug a card and I write "dmesg" or "tail -f /var/log/messages", it appears nothing. I use ubuntu.
[03:36] <LinuxJones> arnau_, please paste in www.pastebin.ca then post the link in the irc channel :D
[03:37] <spiral> arnau_: I suppose that you don't get a /dev/sda1 for example when you plug it ?
[03:37] <arnau_> No. If I try mount /dev/sda1 /SDCARD for example, ubuntu doesn't mount it.
[03:38] <spiral> arnau_: it says smth as not an existing device ?
[03:40] <flamesrock_> p[
[03:41] <arnau_> quit
[03:43] <wayne01> hi guys, does any one know what to do to get Firefox to be able to browse www.kulula.com
[03:44] <ubuntu> wayne01: flash or java?
[03:44] <spiral> wayne01: this works for me...
[03:44] <website> me too
[03:44] <wayne01> it looks like a Java problem, none of the drop down menus work
[03:45] <website> all the menus works for me
[03:45] <spiral> wayne01: they do for me too...
[03:45] <spiral> wayne01: i still get some "strange messages, like : <% If payLater = 1 Then %>    <% end if %>"
[03:45] <spiral> but this kind of "works" :-p
[03:46] <wayne01> Strange, could it be a setting, just did a fresh install of ubuntu today on my laptop
[03:46] <snowblink> wayne01: are there supposed to be drop downs? I remember the days of static menus...
[03:46] <wayne01> Also no Flash items work in my Firefox browser
[03:47] <snowblink> wayne01: see ubuntuguide
[03:47] <spiral> Riddell: I think this was you... Do you know if amarok will be updated to 1.2 beta4 in hoary ?
[03:48] <Riddell> spiral: oh no, they havn't released another version have they?
[03:48] <spiral> Riddell: they did... Yes...
[03:49] <spiral> Riddell: just seen it on their website :-p
[03:50] <Riddell> spiral: if you're in a hury and you want to learn how to make debian packages you could do it youself :)
[03:50] <snowblink> Riddell: in a hurry... learn to do debian packages...
[03:50] <spiral> Riddell: thanks for your todo list... I'm not in such a hurry, but I'm interested in helping if I can, and I would be interested to learn to make debian packages...
[03:51] <spiral> snowblink: so you think, like me, that this is harder than a hurry problem ?
[03:51] <Riddell> spiral: well you can apt-get source amarok  then get the new sources, copy the debian/ directory over, build with  `debuild -us -uc` and see if it works or not
[03:52] <snowblink> spiral: I'd probably cheat and forgo the packaging bit.
[03:52] <spiral> snowblink: :-p
[03:52] <spiral> Riddell: all right, I'll try this :-)
[03:56] <spiral> Riddell: snifff... This won't be so simple... a lot of dependencies problems are reported bye debbuild
[03:57] <spiral> by sorry
[04:00] <wayne01> can anyone recommend a easy to use FTP client for ubuntu that is similar to WSFTP?
[04:00] <JoaoMarcus> gftp?
[04:00] <spiral> wayne01: yes, or if you prefer kde, kbear...
[04:01] <wayne01> ok thanks :-)
[04:01] <JoaoMarcus> I would prefer something more like Bulletproof FTP, is there any linux equivalent?
[04:10] <shock> can someone tell me how to install additional fonts in ubuntu? - ones that are deownloaded seperately and not apt-get installed
[04:10] <shock> plz?
[04:10] <spiral> shock: put them in ~/.fonts
[04:12] <shock> hmkay
[04:13] <shock> thats fairly easy *g*
[04:18] <shock> hm... let me guess... that wont work for psfu fonts?
[04:18] <tritium> it's for TTF
[04:19] <shock> *sigh*
[04:19] <shock> ok
[04:19] <shock> google - here we go again =)
[04:19] <shock> any good source for ttf's ?
[04:20] <shock> k found some
[04:20] <shock> works
[04:20] <shock> thx all
[04:20] <tritium> Oh, my aching stomach.  Somebody file a bug against me.  I think I have a stomach virus.
[04:23] <Guardiann> wow this place is getting big
[04:33] <debian_> hola
[04:34] <Cred> Someone here up to try to help me to get my DVB-T card to work? Chipset is saa7146 (Hauppage budget card).
[04:38] <baluba> hi
[04:39] <baluba> i don't remember quite well: is there in the installer an option to automatically partitioning free space?
[04:40] <bretzel> baluba: qtparted ?
[04:41] <TreadingSoftly> i've been trying to upgrade to hoary from a fresh warty install ... but apt-get dist-upgrade has hit a huge series of python unmet dependencies - is anyone else experiencing this? what happens if i do "apt-get -f install"?
[04:41] <bretzel> baluba: Sorry, I missunderstood your qeuestrion
[04:41] <bretzel> question ...
[04:41] <Se7h> configure:10673: checking whether the C compiler works
[04:41] <baluba> bretzel, i'm just interested to know if the installer does suggest a partitioning scheme :)
[04:41] <Se7h> configure:10679: ./a.out
[04:41] <Se7h> ../configure: line 1: ./a.out: Permission denied
[04:41] <Se7h> erm
[04:41] <kebac> bretzel: a common typo
[04:42] <thenuke> TreadingSoftly: maybe that just should tell you not to upgrade it ;)
[04:42] <Slaven> 425 Security: Bad IP connecting. <-- when connecting to my own wu-ftpd server.
[04:42] <Slaven> I know I've been able to login before.
[04:43] <bretzel> baluba: sorry, kebac: no its my son ( 13 month old ) who was exploring my space ....:-)
[04:43] <TreadingSoftly> thenuke: i need hoary
[04:43] <PotajiTo> i'm triying to download with qtorrent a torrent file, but when i choose the location(is a fat32 partition) it gives permission denied ... i can write normally as user in konqueror
[04:43] <kebac> bretzel: :)
[04:43] <Parallax> Who can help me setting up two monitors ????
[04:44] <baluba> is just that what stated here sounds inaccurate: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/djst/archives/007449.html
[04:45] <cjdavis> parallax: i'm working on the same thing