[00:09] <Daemoen> lo all;  anyone else here ever had to install openntpd as their daemon to use unprivileged ports?  in a situation where i cannot use normal ntpd (privilege port issue), where our cloud provider blocks priv port ntp traffic;  openntpd uses nonpriv traffic, so it works;  but it does not seem to have ntpq or any of the other trouble or status tools than the daemon itself,  to further complicate matters, openntpd and ntpd packages
[00:09] <Daemoen> conflict, so trying to find a way of getting the ntp status tools installed to monitor (besides tailing syslog)
[00:11] <RoyK> blocking NTP traffic is just outright stupid
[00:44] <patdk-lap> royk only somewhat
[00:44] <patdk-lap> too many people running open ntp server that are vaunerable
[00:45] <patdk-lap> remember the record breaking ddos traffic takedowns a year or so ago? cause of ntp
[00:47] <RoyK> patdk-lap: I (naïvely?) thought people were updating their servers somewhat regularly ;)
[00:48] <patdk-lap> once every 5 years?
[00:48] <RoyK> well, there was a DNS breakin in bind4 some 15 years back, so we should block DNS!
[00:49] <patdk-lap> well, dns is also horrible
[00:49] <RoyK> yeah, I stick to /etc/hosts
[01:08] <RevertToType> so on 15.04 where would i put/what would i do to make a script run @ login (as in after all other stuff is done) is that still a systemd thing or is it something else?
[01:16] <RoyK> RevertToType: http://www.howtogeek.com/104708/how-to-customize-ubuntus-message-of-the-day/ <-- this might help
[01:19] <RevertToType> nah that just fires off a single message...
[01:40] <pmatulis> RevertToType: in one of your shell's init files or via PAM perhaps
[01:41] <RevertToType> think ~/.bash_login will work... mebbe
[01:41] <RoyK> RevertToType: it can run a script too, you know ;)
[01:51] <RevertToType> it's been a long week :P
[05:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[05:56] <jak2000> when i try: apt-get update i get this error, how to fix? "E: Unable to synchronize mmap - msync (5: Input/output error)"
[05:57] <lordievader> Sounds like a harddrive failing.
[05:58] <jak2000> mmm but how to fix?
[06:01] <lordievader> jak2000: First run smartctl -a on all disks to confirm. Then replace the faulty disks (if any).
[06:54] <RoyK> jeadre: may be fs problems too, but start with smartctl -a on the disk where the root resides - no other disks should be touched by apt
[06:54] <RoyK> that is, not root, /var
[07:01] <jelly> jak2000: I'd start with "free" and "dmesg" before smartctl
[07:13] <RoyK> jeadre: little memory shouldn't produce an i/o error, bt then, seems jak2000's not listening anywy
[12:23] <acmehandle> Is there a way to do an ln -s where it does not show the path?  Only ../../../ for example?
[16:20] <PryMar56> I fixed my 20s delay in scripts/init-bottom by modifying lib/udev/rules.d/85-lvm2.rules before making ramfs. But I have to restore it afterward
[16:20] <PryMar56> I remove the vgchange
[16:21] <PryMar56> is there a way to have a copy of 85-lvm2.rules reserved for ramfs?
[17:53] <jak2000> how to know if port 4848 is used?
[17:54] <sarnold> jak2000: netstat -anp | grep :4848
[17:57] <jak2000> say: tcp6       0      0 :::4848                 :::*                    LISTEN
[17:59] <sarnold> yup, looks like it is in use
[18:03] <lordievader> jak2000: Have you checked your disks?
[18:04] <jak2000> ok, is possible know the program name that use it?
[18:07] <sarnold> jak2000: the -p option to netstat prints out the program name and pid if you can see the process. run it as root if it might be owned by any users...
[19:28] <K4k> What tool is used to unlock network accounts on the local system?
[19:29] <K4k> nevermind -- pam_tally2 --unlock, derp
[20:53] <sarnold> jamespage,utlemming, 1490361 looks like it should ahve been filed against the cloud-archive version of nova instead of the regular archive version of nova; how should that re-assignment be done? thanks
[22:23] <|\n> hello, could someone please have a look at this https://pastebin.ovrnet.ru/paste/SRN6fhJu#THs7MiO8 looks same as https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=8135 happens often with no real impact, however it doesn't reveal itself on practice yet, any hints appreciated, many thanks!
[22:43] <prudentmav> in the file /etc/ssh/sshd_config is it possible that for the Port value to be a variable that is pulled from another file?
[23:16] <pmatulis> prudentmav: you mean having 2 files?
[23:18] <pmatulis> prudentmav: for context, please provide your use case for not having sshd get its entire configuration from sshd_config
[23:19] <prudentmav> I know this sounds crazy but this is what I am trying to do, just for the sake of doing it.  I'll create a script on my local machine.  The script will ping 5 different port numbers in a certain order.   This will act as a "combination" that will then unlock my actual ssh port.  The actual port number will be changed on the server using a rotating number similar with what you see on second level verification where the code changes
[23:19] <prudentmav>  every 30 seconds
[23:20] <Pici> uhh
[23:21] <Pici> It does sound crazy.
[23:21] <teward> s/does sound/is/
[23:22] <teward> ssh key auth with 2FA is easier to implement lol
[23:22] <prudentmav> haha
[23:22] <prudentmav> ok
[23:22] <prudentmav> this is the kinda crap I think up when I'm bored and too much time on my hands
[23:22] <teward> prudentmav: to make it work you have to first know the ports.  you then have to set up individual TCP listeners on each port
[23:23] <teward> you then need to accept specially crafted TCP packets (because general is bad)
[23:23] <teward> you then need to be able to send back on the last one the 'good' port
[23:23] <teward> and then accept the connection.
[23:23] <teward> the simpler method:
[23:23] <sarnold> prudentmav: I'd be surprised if there's any real benefit to that over standard port knocking
[23:23] <teward> there isn't, i don't think, sarnold
[23:24] <prudentmav> I see what you are saying
[23:24] <teward> the simpler way is to use ssh key authentication, and maybe a secondary 2FA system or some other access controls
[23:25] <teward> (say, key-auth only, and accept SSH access only from certain sources)
[23:25] <teward> etc.
[23:25] <prudentmav> that makes sense
[23:25] <teward> you also reduce complexity, AND you are using a practice that already exists
[23:25] <prudentmav> I'll look into secondary 2FA systems
[23:25] <teward> if it's just you, Duo Security is a third party company, i use them for 2FA on my servers' SSH, but i also have insane lockdowns
[23:25] <teward> i.e.
[23:25] <teward> only ONE of my servers actually is reachable from the net.
[23:25] <sarnold> with ssh specifically you'll get most security enhancements by just forbidding password based auth
[23:26] <teward> It is the pivot point to other systems.
[23:26] <teward> and yes, sarnold is right
[23:26] <teward> forbid password auth
[23:26] <teward> key auth only :P
[23:26] <sarnold> other nice things like locking down allowed source ranges are easy enough that they make sense to do if you can do it
[23:26] <prudentmav> ah that is what I forgot to do.... I only use key but forgot it still has a pass
[23:26] <sarnold> 2fa is one more step beyond that -- still worth it, but much more work
[23:27] <teward> sarnold: indeed.
[23:27] <pmatulis> prudentmav: always go for simplicity. but for us to help further you might want to explain what the ssh connections will be for. you might, for instance, implement SSH chroots if user demands are low
[23:27] <teward> sarnold: even with Duo Security, gotta compile the pam modules xD
[23:27] <sarnold> teward: I thuoght we packaged those?
[23:28] <teward> sarnold: do we package duo security's PAM modules?
[23:28] <teward> i didn't know it was included in the LTS yet
[23:28] <teward> :P
[23:28] <prudentmav> as of now, I am the only person that accesses the server... I've always done everything as root.  But now that my free lance work is starting to grow I am going to bring on another developer that will need ssh access.  and I also need to look into keeping them confined to only one directory
[23:28] <teward> last i checked there is no Ubuntu package for the pam module from duo security
[23:28] <sarnold> teward: libpam-duo
[23:28] <teward> sarnold: i lied, they're there.
[23:29] <teward> i wanted latest though :P
[23:29] <sarnold> teward: universe only, but iirc kees also uses it, so probably he'd be on top of issues that need to be fixed
[23:29] <teward> mmm
[23:29] <teward> sarnold: indeed.  but nobody at duo security updated their documentation for it xD
[23:29] <sarnold> hehe
[23:30] <teward> sarnold: cool, did not know before.
[23:30] <teward> now I do.
[23:30] <teward> now put it on the images :P
[23:30] <teward> loljk
[23:31] <teward> we haven't even added nginx to tasksel, so we sohuld not touch the images xD
[23:31] <sarnold> "LNMP stack" just rolls off the tongue doesn't it? :)
[23:31] <teward> although i'm happy to see that infinity was nice enough to nuke a package that deserved death.  (bitcoin related stuff is evil)
[23:31] <teward> isn't it LEMP?
[23:32] <teward> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle)
[23:32] <teward> oop lamp
[23:32] <teward>  LEMP is a version where Apache has been replaced with the more lightweight web server Nginx
[23:32] <teward> there we go.  same article
[23:32] <sarnold> "Engine X"? for the E?
[23:32] <prudentmav> LEMP is being added to tasksel?
[23:33] <teward> prudentmav: no
[23:33] <teward> it's not
[23:33] <teward> sarnold: i think so, and because LEMP looks better than LNMP
[23:34] <teward> LNMP makes people think of SNMP
[23:34] <sarnold> and no one likes that
[23:34] <teward> i need coffee... brb


[02:45] <CarlFK> cjwatson_: jaunty alt install, box has 2 drives: 10g 60g.  only the 60 is available to install to.  logs: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/e18/
[10:56] <cjwatson_> CarlFK: I'm on holiday, file bugs please


[03:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[21:36] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue822 now available to our reading public: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-822/41495 :D
[21:59] <Metamorphosis> I wonder if a 10th gen Core i7 is better than a 11th Gen Core i5
[22:00] <jeremy31> Someone probably already ran a comparison, just have to search for it
[22:05] <daftykins> desktop or laptop SKU?
[22:22] <Metamorphosis> both laptop
[22:23] <Metamorphosis> I'm in a dilemma to chose between two machines.
[22:24] <Metamorphosis> Lenovo ThinkPad E14 Gen 2 14" Notebook, Intel Core i5-1135G7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, Windows 11 Pro  and Dell Inspiron 13 7300 2-in-1, Core i7 10510U / 1.8 GHz, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD (32 GB SSD cache), 13.3" touchscreen 3840 x 2160 Ultra HD 4K, UHD Graphics , Bluetooth, Windows 11 Pro


[03:52] <IdleOne> !language > i4n
[03:52] <IdleOne> !guidelines > i4n
[06:58] <lhavelund> mmm, breakfast inc!
[08:53] <bkerensa> gnight
[10:29] <dsaugft> hi?
[10:29] <dsaugft> help plesae
[10:29] <dsaugft> #ubuntu-irc
[10:30] <ikonia> what's up ?
[10:30] <dsaugft> hi
[10:30] <dsaugft> u admin?
[10:30] <ikonia> depends - what's the issue ?
[10:31] <dsaugft> ok
[10:31] <dsaugft> me banned on ubuntu channel
[10:31] <dsaugft> help please
[10:31] <ikonia> ok - what's the problem
[10:31] <dsaugft> #ubuntu
[10:31] <ikonia> what's the problem
[10:31] <dsaugft> me banned on ubuntu channel
[10:31] <dsaugft> idk why
[10:32] <dsaugft> i just cant sent to this channel
[10:32] <dsaugft> i connect
[10:32] <ikonia> ok. I can take a look for you. One moment please.
[10:32] <dsaugft> but cant talking
[10:32] <dsaugft> mw muted
[10:32] <dsaugft> ok
[10:32] <dsaugft> i nice
[10:33] <ikonia> the issue is because you are using web chat. Let me look at that a little more
[10:33] <dsaugft> what?
[10:33] <dsaugft> i on ubuntu channel but cant talk
[10:33] <ikonia> you are using freenode's web chat - that is the core problem.
[10:34] <dsaugft> and what i need use?
[10:34] <ikonia> please just hold on a moment
[10:35] <dsaugft> of cose
[10:35] <ikonia> ok the problem is when you where using the nickname Verop you flooded the channel asking for developers
[10:35] <ikonia> this got you banned
 I need website with many developers Linux programms please, and they must work for free?
[10:36] <ikonia> do you remember that ?
[10:36] <dsaugft> yes
[10:36] <dsaugft> yestarday
[10:36] <ikonia> ok, so that's the reason
[10:36] <dsaugft> but why i today muted?
[10:36] <ikonia> yes, it was yesterday
[10:36] <dsaugft> help please
[10:37] <ikonia> because you got banned yesterday and the ban has not been removed
[10:37] <ikonia> that is why you are muted
[10:37] <dsaugft> just there are very many people talking and i use 3 lines of my question
[10:37] <dsaugft> for bestest looking
[10:37] <ikonia> what is the question you want to ask in #ubuntu
[10:38] <dsaugft> now i have 2 questions
[10:38] <ikonia> ok, what are they
[10:38] <dsaugft> about Tor and about forum developers
[10:38] <ikonia> please tell me the questions you wish to ask
[10:39] <dsaugft> i can help?
[10:39] <ikonia> please tell me the questions you wish to ask
[10:39] <dsaugft> i know second question
[10:39] <dsaugft> about dev forum
[10:39] <dsaugft> and first...
[10:39] <ikonia> please tell me the two questions you wish to ask in #ubuntu
[10:39] <dsaugft> I need download videos in Tor Browser
[10:39] <ikonia> There is no Tor Browser
[10:39] <ikonia> next question
[10:40] <dsaugft> please tell me the developers forum Linux software
[10:41] <ikonia> ok - that second question is nothing to do with ubuntu, and you spamming it is what got you banned
[10:41] <dsaugft> nono
[10:41] <ikonia> do you understand that asking for developers for linux websites is nothing to do with the topic for #ubuntu ?
[10:41] <dsaugft> there are auto antispam bot
[10:42] <ikonia> yes,
[10:42] <dsaugft> i just repite my question 3 times
[10:42] <ikonia> it banned you for spamming your question
[10:42] <dsaugft> and bot automatic ban me
[10:42] <ikonia> however your question was nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:42] <ikonia> your question was for linux website developers wanted to work for free
[10:42] <ikonia> that is nothing to do with #ubuntu or it's "ubuntu" topic
[10:42] <ikonia> do you understand ?
[10:43] <dsaugft> i need programm for Linux
[10:43] <dsaugft> and i Use Ubuntu Kubuntu and Lubuntu
[10:43] <ikonia> what program do you need ?
[10:43] <dsaugft> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12255021
[10:44] <AlanBell> oh, this one again
[10:45] <AlanBell> apparmor profiles or selinux is what you want still
[10:45] <dsaugft> general admin of forum said that topic closed because trolls flooding there are
[10:46] <dsaugft> i need programm like wine
[10:46] <dsaugft> but for linux programms
[10:46] <dsaugft> there are all writing
[10:46] <dsaugft> wrote
[10:46] <ikonia> dsaugft: reseach appamor and selinux as AlanBell has told you
[10:47] <dsaugft> i need closed environment for running programms
[10:47] <ikonia> dsaugft: reseach appamor and selinux as AlanBell has told you
[10:47] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor
[10:47] <ikonia> apparmor sorry
[10:47] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinux
[10:47] <ikonia> helps if you spell it correclty
[10:47] <ikonia> dsaugft: you may also want to consider using #ubuntu-ru which is native Russian language
[10:48] <dsaugft> no
[10:48] <dsaugft> thewre are no professionals
[10:48] <ikonia> that's as far as we can help then
[10:49] <ikonia> sorry.
[10:49] <dsaugft> and i want programm with GUI
[10:49] <ikonia> ok - well you need to learn to program then or hire someone
[10:49] <dsaugft> but not only me need this programm
[10:50] <ikonia> then you still need to write it or hire someone to write it
[10:50] <dsaugft> program increases safety
[10:50] <ikonia> ok, well, good luck with it
[10:50] <ikonia> take care, bye
[10:50] <dsaugft> ину
[10:50] <dsaugft> uban me please
[10:50] <dsaugft> unban
[10:50] <ikonia> dsaugft: the questions you want to ask are nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:50] <dsaugft> ikinia?
[10:51] <dsaugft> please will me god lady
[10:51] <dsaugft> good lady
[10:51] <ikonia> your questions are nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:51] <dsaugft> i have many questions
[10:51] <ikonia> so there is no point asking the in #ubuntu
[10:51] <ikonia> dsaugft: such as?
[10:51] <ikonia> what ubuntu questions do you have ?
[10:51] <ikonia> or do you want to just ask for developers for your software again ?
[10:52] <dsaugft> What's the difference?
[10:52] <ikonia> the difference is one is allowed in #ubuntu (channel) the other is not
[10:52] <dsaugft> just unban me please
[10:53] <ikonia> sorry no
[10:53] <ikonia> I suggest finding some other place to recruit developers
[10:53] <ikonia> best of luck, bye
[10:53] <dsaugft> If you were a guy, would you unban me.
[11:09] <elky> i also like how he doesn't have a clue how the gateway works
[11:26] <elky> AlanBell, he's in there as Alan_
[11:27] <elky> or maybe not
[13:58] <bazhang> that was autrax earlier, I am guessing
[15:01] <bazhang> blameubuntu
[16:15] <bazhang> ikonia, the questions about adverts is from the unity-lens-shopping in 12.10
[16:16] <bazhang> sensationalized in slashdot website to become ads
[16:16] <bazhang> ie revenue sharing with amazon
[16:18] <ikonia> screw it
[16:18] <bazhang> reaga is a known issue/troublemaker
[16:19] <cprofitt> people are really over-reacting to what this is...
[16:19] <bazhang> just wait for the release day..
[16:19] <cprofitt> lol
[16:19] <cprofitt> I have a large bunker ready for that day
[16:19] <bazhang> we need !howcanIremoveevilads factoid
[16:20] <cprofitt> and several weeks worth of canned food and water
[16:20] <cprofitt> :-)
[16:20] <bazhang> hehe
[16:21] <ikonia> never seen him before
 achtung condition!! ubuntu network gives -5 error
[17:48] <Pici> ugh
[17:49] <bazhang> time to clear some bans
[17:50] <bazhang> spider sense is telling me the "how the <redacted> ads blah blah blah will just be starting
[17:50] <Pici> yep
[18:27] <mneptok> bug 1054282
[18:27] <mneptok> that could be troublesome.
[18:27] <genii-around> Hehehe
[18:27] <genii-around> But, I find, amusing.
[18:37] <usr13> ubottu is dead
[18:41] <Myrtti> !test
[18:56] <bazhang> :0
[18:56]  * genii-around pokes at Pici experimentally
[18:56]  * Pici explodes
[18:57] <genii-around> Heh!
[18:57] <knome> awwh, now you have to respin to get a working Pici image again!
[18:59] <genii-around> When the floodbots first join back, I guess it takes them a few minutesz to settle in... in -unregged all three are giving the human-or-bot spiel
[18:59] <bazhang> remastersys!
[19:10] <genii-around> knome: I had to doublecheck the bot there, thought it was responding twice to !details at first...
[19:10] <knome> heh
[19:12] <Pici> genii-around: services was really lagging for a bit before
[19:13] <genii-around> AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[19:14] <knome> idiot
[21:21] <genii-around> !test
[21:21] <genii-around> Bleh
[21:21] <IdleOne> you killed her :(
[21:22] <genii-around> IdleOne: Wasn't responding 30-45 seconds ago either when I tried !info unity-lens-shopping precise
[21:23] <IdleOne> 12.04 already had music and movie results
[21:23] <genii-around> IdleOne: I don't use Unity much so I'm somewhat out of the loop there
[21:23] <IdleOne> the shopping lens has to do with amazon
[21:24] <IdleOne> I don't remember much whining about it until OMGUbuntu & Company went and made a big stink
[21:25] <genii-around> IdleOne: I was wondering about vivid's issue, etc  at the time
[21:25] <pleia2> IdleOne: their posts were pretty positive, I think it was slashdot that made the crazy happen :)
[21:25] <IdleOne> I don't know that he can remove the suggestions without removing the search from dash feature for movies and music
[21:26] <IdleOne> pleia2: ah, well apologies to OMGU and company :)


 Hopefully that one will work.
[00:30] <davmor2> fader_: kub only needs 1 -desktop file so should be fine
[00:30] <davmor2> right I'm off to bed I'll see what left tomorrow nn everybody
[00:53]  * fader_ knocks off for the evening.
[02:44] <bdmurray> sbeattie: is there anything that could use testing?
[02:46] <sbeattie> ubuntu-server amd64 upgrade could use a tester
[02:46] <sbeattie> plus backfilling any missing testcases, I guess.
[02:47] <bdmurray> I'll do the amd64 server upgrade
[06:44] <ara> slangasek, that would be, that's a shame it didn't work. It would be nice, however, if some could confirm the bug and release note in that case
[06:48]  * ara takes ubuntu server i386 Install (default + crypted LVM)
[07:18] <ara> slangasek, can you point me to the lvm bug number that sbeattie was having in edubuntu?
[08:17]  * ara reboots
[08:29] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:40] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:40] <davmor2> morning ara
[08:44]  * ara reboots
[09:28] <ara> davmor2, will you be able to do edubuntu amd64 dvd (I am downloading now edubuntu i386 dvd)?
[09:28] <davmor2> ara: I'm just waiting for them to finish downloading
[09:29] <davmor2> just doing the ubuntu 64 m-a
[09:30] <ara> davmor2, cool
[09:51] <slangasek> ara: not offhand; it should be fixed now though, which can be confirmed easily enough by trying an lvm+crypt install
[09:53] <ara> slangasek, ok, thanks, I will try it whenever it gets downloaded
[09:53] <ara> slangasek, thanks
[09:55] <davmor2> muhahaha I have them both now I'm just waiting the 6 hours for them to burn :(
[10:13]  * davmor2 goes straight in for the kill and does d-i edubuntu first
[10:15] <ara> 56 min remaining for me...
[10:16] <davmor2> ara: I got them both
[10:17] <ara> davmor2, ok, start with amd64, then
[10:17] <davmor2> I am
[10:18] <davmor2> slangasek: the encrypted stuff is in next to see if we get through packaging
[10:25] <davmor2> ara: I'd cancel your download
[10:26] <ara> davmor2, why? are you going to do i386 as well?
[10:26] <davmor2> d-i bailed out again
[10:30] <ara> davmor2, what happened? I am a bit lost with edubuntu, can you point me to a bug number, please?
[10:30] <davmor2> no bug yet
[10:30] <davmor2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/282849/
[10:30] <davmor2> it's a packaging conflict
[10:31] <ara> davmor2, ok, I am reading now #u-release
[10:33] <davmor2> asac: you around?
[10:44] <asac> davmor2: should i hide? ;)
[10:44] <davmor2> yes but it's too late now I can see you :P
[10:45] <asac> hehe
[10:45] <asac> go ahead
[10:47] <davmor2> on ubuntu I just done an install and tried to view the video entry for ubuntu free culture showcase at http://vimeo.com/2265645 and the yellow bar at the top says it's missing a codec.  Plugin Finder Service is triggered and I get No suitable plugins were found.
[10:48] <davmor2> asac: ^
[10:48] <asac> davmor2: yes. please go about:config ... search for "pfs." and change both urls. replace 9.10 with 9.04 (at the very end)
[10:48] <asac> i didnt put the data in the db yet
[10:48] <asac> for 9.10
[10:51] <davmor2> asac: that's got it.  I'll add it to the bug I wrote a while back
[10:52] <davmor2> asac: when will you have the fix in place?
[10:59] <asac> davmor2: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/427734
[10:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 427734 in ubufox "ubufox not loaded in Firefox 3.5 on karmic alpha 6 CD" [High,Triaged]
[10:59] <asac> so you say it workd for you on CD?
[11:01] <davmor2> asac: Sorry?
[11:02] <asac> davmor2: is ubufox available on livecd
[11:02] <asac> thats that question
[11:02] <asac> that bug says its not enabled
[11:02] <asac> guess you did a real install then ;)
[11:02] <davmor2> asac: right that was on the installed system 2 sec and I'll find out for you
[11:03] <asac> thx
[11:03] <asac> check in tools->addons
[11:03] <asac> if ubufox is not there
[11:03] <asac> ping me ;)
[11:10] <slangasek> davmor2, ara: how about kubuntu, xubuntu testing?  Looks like there are some gaps in coverage there
[11:10] <slangasek> also missing one migration-assistant test (64-bit), and one LTSP server test
[11:11] <davmor2> asac: this is weird.  I open FF on cd and I get 2 windows open one of which is the add-ons window.  It says it's had 3 new languages added <IP_ADDRESS> for xulrunner (bn)(de)(en) to replace <IP_ADDRESS> and which of the tabs will show the ubufox?
[11:11]  * ara checks
[11:11] <davmor2> slangasek: just done the 64 side by side passes
[11:11] <davmor2> just burning the alternate for the other ltsp
[11:11] <asac> davmor2: you should see it in the notification you get on first start. if not check the Extensions tab
[11:12] <davmor2> asac: No to notification and no to being ins Extensions
[11:12] <asac> davmor2: can you run the ls commands i asked for in the bug?
[11:13] <asac> also ... do you have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:13] <asac> davmor2: if you are busy with other stuff do that first. i dont think we can fix this for beta still ;)
[11:14]  * ara takes ubuntu alternate i386 ltsp
[11:15] <davmor2> asac: I got enough machine to throw at the remaining tests.  No /usr/lib/firefox-addons/ubufox*
[11:16] <davmor2> ara: Oh okay I'll kill of the xubuntu ones then
[11:17] <ara> davmor2, I just realised that I won't be able to the ltsp as I don't have a xed network cable :(
[11:17] <asac> davmor2: that firefox-addons one is bad (like i said in the bug)
[11:17] <asac> maybe reload the bug page ;)
[11:18] <davmor2> ara: okay you start the xubuntu and I'll ltsp :)
[11:18] <ara> davmor2, ok
[11:18] <davmor2> asac: :)
[11:25] <davmor2> asac: added to bug
[11:28] <asac> davmor2: asked on bug
[11:44] <asac> reconnect
[11:44] <davmor2> asac: I'll get back to you in a second
[11:48] <sbeattie> is anyone working on the kubuntu desktop amd64 tests?
[11:50] <asac> davmor2: sure
[11:50] <davmor2> sbeattie: not this instant but I can in a minute :)
[11:51] <sbeattie> davmor2: I'me taking the kubuntu desktop fulldisk and knr i386 fulldisk
[11:51] <sbeattie> I'm unfamiliar with setting up the ltsp environment, if you want to take those.
[11:51] <davmor2> sbeattie: cool :)
[11:52] <ara> slangasek, I was able to install edubuntu dvd i386 successfully
[11:52] <slangasek> ara: hmm, what did you do differently than davmor2? :)  the bug that we've identified should affect the default install on both archs equally
[11:53] <ara> slangasek, just normal installation full disk, Spanish locale
[11:53] <davmor2> ara: live or d-i
[11:53] <slangasek> right, the failure mode is with a d-i install
[11:53] <ara> live
[11:53] <ara> slangasek, ah, ok
[11:53] <davmor2> yes live works fine
[11:54] <slangasek> (the equivalent bug in a live context would have manifested as a livefs build failure, so we're apparently good there)
[11:54]  * davmor2 heart slows back down
[11:57] <davmor2> asac: lp isn't liking adding that trace I can drop it on my site instead for you if you want
[11:59] <davmor2> asac: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/strace.log.txt
[12:14] <ara> davmor2, I am afraid I wont be able to help with the remaining xubuntu test cases. virtualbox 64bits guest  is not working for me today
[12:14] <davmor2> ara: no worries
[12:14] <asac> davmor2: can you verify that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>links to the right ubufox dir?
[12:14] <asac> e.g. the one with install.rdf inside
[12:17] <davmor2> asac: poted ls -al to bug
[12:20] <asac> davmor2: but is there an install.rdf?
[12:20] <asac> ls -l<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:22] <davmor2> on bug but yes
[12:23] <asac> davmor2: ok ... please apt-get install --reinstall ubufox ... remove your  .mozilla again and then run the same strace
[12:27]  * ara takes the remaining kubuntu netbook ones
[12:27] <Aleksey_S> hi all. I can't install ubuntu karmic using wubi. After instalation completes, i am presented with grub shell
[12:28] <ara> Aleksey_S, davmor2 knows the bug number for that one
[12:29] <Aleksey_S> i tried karmic alpha6 and yesterday daily build
[12:29] <Aleksey_S> ara : is there some workaround?
[12:30] <ara> Aleksey_S, I don't know the exact symptoms, but apparently it does not always fail
[12:30] <davmor2> get the bug
[12:30] <davmor2> getting even
[12:30] <Aleksey_S> arado you mean a couple of reboots might help? :-)
[12:30] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: Bug 439279
[12:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 439279 in wubi "There seems to be some instability with the installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439279
[12:31] <sbeattie> ara: when you install knr, if you run the live session first, are you ever able to get ubiquity to show over the knr interface?
[12:31] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: are you on kubuntu?
[12:31] <Aleksey_S> davmor2 : no
[12:31] <ara> sbeattie, I am still downloading it, 17%, I'll  let you know :)
[12:32] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: sorry just saw.  Try a reinstall or just reboot a couple of time.  It's a weird bug that doesn't seem to leave a trace in any logs at the moment
[12:32] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: that bug isn't exactly what i mean
[12:32] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: it's all related :)
[12:33] <Aleksey_S> davmor2 : windows part of installation process was finished, linux part too. after second reboot (when i expect to see fresh ubuntu) i get grub shell
[12:35] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: Yes that is the exact problem.  Everything say the install work which it quite obviously hasn't.  That is the problem.  There is nothing in any logs saying it broke
[12:35] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: i have recently uninstalled that not working karmic from wubi. Do i need to download today's daily build and give it try?
[12:38] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: Sorry if that wasn't using 20090929.2 then it won't work no.
[12:38] <davmor2> You need to be using the very latest cd for it to be working at all
[12:39] <Aleksey_S> also i have a question not related to this issue. I am visually impaired so use orca screen reader. It is easy to start ubuntu with orca from live cd, but wubi accessibility options have no human-readable labels for this. there are three radio buttons: visibility1, visibility2, visibility3. What i need to chose to have orca?
[12:41]  * ara -> lunch
[12:41] <Aleksey_S> davmor2 : oops. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ -- there are no desktop images. am i missing something?
[12:42] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: No idea on that I'm afraid.  Because it is reliant on the windows side of things rather than the linux side.
[12:42] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:43] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: no. i looked at the wubi sources and labels are exactly mean-less
[12:44] <Aleksey_S> davmor2 : thanks! do you recomend amd64 or x86 version? What is more stable? I have only 1 gb of ram on this laptop.
[12:45] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: depends if you laptop is capable of running 64bit
[12:45] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: it is capable. intel core 2 duo
[12:45]  * Leonidas uses the amd64 version.
[12:45] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: 32bit i386 is more user friendly but both are about as stable as each other
[12:46] <Leonidas> Haven't had problems stability-wise.
[12:46] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: why more friely?
[12:46] <Aleksey_S> *friendly
[12:47] <davmor2> Leonidas: I get issues with things like flash and skype etc from time to time on 64bit
[12:47] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: ^
[12:47] <Aleksey_S> that doesn't stops me.
[12:47] <slangasek> davmor2, ara: edubuntu 20091001.1 should fix the alternate install problem, and should be very rsyncable - can you give it a try?
[12:48] <Aleksey_S> i've just started downloading the amd64 version. thanks guys
[12:48] <Leonidas> davmor2: I don't use skype and flash, because they are nonfree.
[12:48] <slangasek> davmor2: hmm, you never posted a failure report on the tracker for edubuntu d-i
[12:49] <Leonidas> but I heard both kindof work on amd64, to..
[12:49] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: have you any ideas about that strange profiles? which i am supposed to choose?
[12:49] <davmor2> slangasek: I didn't finish getting round to make a bug on it, I wasn't sure what or where to file it.  I'm assuming it is another cdimage thing
[12:50] <slangasek> davmor2: wasn't asking after a bug, just a failure report on the tracker :)
[12:50] <slangasek> but it should be irrelevant now
[12:51] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: Sorry Profiles?
[12:54] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: As I said as far as I can tell the ones in wubi are not for orca they enable the windows accessibility stuff.  Once you get into the Ubuntu side you can use orca as normal
[12:54] <davmor2> slangasek: syncing
[12:55] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: i am quite unsure wubi can do something about braille support in windows. But there is a radio button for braile in wubi accessibility profiles
[12:56] <Aleksey_S> davmor2: so i assume that profiles are for ubuntu. wubi interface in windows is quite accessible
[12:58] <davmor2> Aleksey_S: Pass then absolutely no idea I'm affraid
[13:40] <slangasek> davmor2: are we there yet? :)
[13:41] <davmor2> running now
[13:50] <Leonidas> running where?
[14:00] <ara> sbeattie, ubuquity appeared correctly on the top in kubuntu netbook
[14:03] <sbeattie> ara: hunh, okay.
[14:07] <davmor2> slangasek: it's got further than before and is still going I can only assume this is a good thing :)
[14:07] <slangasek> ok
[14:07] <davmor2> fader_: Morning Dude
[14:07] <slangasek> is there any ETA on being able to sweep up the other outstanding tests?
[14:10] <davmor2> 2+ hours
[14:11] <slangasek> ok
[14:12] <davmor2> might be able to cut that down thought alternating machines
[14:12] <davmor2> ara: can you hit the out standing kubuntu desktop 32bit auto resize please
[14:12] <ara> davmor2, sure
[14:14] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy
[14:15] <davmor2> ara: many thanks
[14:15] <davmor2> cr3: morning Dude
[14:16]  * ara is doing kubuntu desktop i386 auto-resize and kubuntu netbook (all except wubi)
[14:25] <davmor2> slangasek: it's building the thin client now so I guess that means all the packages are installed \o/ just need to see if it finishes now
[14:25] <cr3> davmor2: ahoy, matey
[14:26] <davmor2> cr3: you broke checkbox :P  fader_ paid me to say that :D
[14:26] <fader_> Heh, davmor2 I thought the deal was that you abuse me and I abuse cr3.  If you go straight to abusing him and cut out the middleman, what will I do for a living?
[14:27] <davmor2> fader_: Oh alright then it was your code that buggered the whole thing up and you paid me to say it was cr3 feel better now ;)
[14:28] <fader_> davmor2: Much better. :)
[14:28] <davmor2> fader_: did you pass the log onto cr3 and did it show anything useful?
[14:28] <cr3> fader_: so, what's up? I got a bunch of test results yesterday, what have you encountered?
[14:29] <cr3> davmor2: I haven't received anything in my inbox this morning
[14:29] <fader_> davmor2: Which log is that now?
[14:30] <davmor2> cr3: I ran checkbox that is in the distro, and half the tests didn't work :(
[14:30] <cr3> davmor2: you're a qa person, "didn't work" is not very descriptive
[14:30] <davmor2> fader_: the one that means you get to tick off AAO
[14:31] <cr3> I should have /ignore for anyone who just tells me "didn't work", it's happening far too regularly
[14:31] <fader_> davmor2: I didn't get any log from you... maybe it got spamfiltered.  I'll check on that.
[14:31] <davmor2> cr3: I'm going to go through it properly tomorrow when I have more time
[14:31] <davmor2> fader_: no the link to the hw database
[14:31] <fader_> davmor2: Ahhh, okay that one. :)
[14:31] <fader_> davmor2: That doesn't provide the data we'd need to troubleshoot test failures, unfortunately
[14:32] <cr3> davmor2: thanks, but telling me: 1. what you experienced; 2. what you expected; 3. how to reproduce. that would be appreciated
[14:32] <davmor2> fader_: oh no I'm doing that tomorrow
[14:32] <fader_> We'd need ~/.checkbox/*log or ~/.cache/checkbox/*log for that
[14:32] <fader_> davmor2: Okay, cool.  Now I'm on the same page as you.  You have to give us North Americans time to get coffee in us before you start talking to us :)
[14:34] <davmor2> cr3: I can tell you that everything mic based failed because the test stopped before you got to talk
[14:34] <cr3> fader_: ^^^ I believe you wrote those, right?
[14:35] <fader_> cr3: Yup, not sure what davmor2 did to break it though.  It Works For Me™.
[14:35] <fader_> We'll figure it out tomorrow when davmor2 has time to walk through it with me
[14:35] <davmor2> fader_: is the one in the desktop the most upto date?
[14:36] <davmor2> if not that could be why :)
[14:36] <fader_> davmor2: It *should* be
[14:37] <cr3> davmor2, fader_: if one of you could create a bug in Launchpad against the checkbox project and assign fader as the assignee, that would be an excellent reminder for tomorrow... just in case
[14:37]  * cr3 is afraid of things falling through cracks
[14:37] <fader_> cr3: Roger wilco.  davmor2, I'll subscribe you to it
[14:37] <davmor2> cr3: I'm dedicating tomorrow to it :)
[14:38] <cr3> davmor2: things happen and plans change, recording problems as bugs is a good way to give you that flexibility to change without feeling bad about it :)
[14:38] <cr3> davmor2: who knows, you might be called upon to do UEC testing tomorrow
[14:38] <davmor2> cr3: shhhhhh
[14:42] <davmor2> fader_: nice
[14:43] <fader_> ?
[14:43] <davmor2> just got email about the bug :)
[14:43] <fader_> Ah :)
[14:46] <davmor2> slangasek: On a plus side I just did 2 tests in one edubuntu runs ltsp whether or not :)
[14:52] <davmor2> slangasek: however I think it is an epic fail.  It only install the ubuntu desktop and edubuntu server so of course you don't get the educational software on the default install which I think bends logic
[14:52] <slangasek> davmor2: that's not for me to say
[14:53] <davmor2> it has installed though
[14:54] <ara> is it normal that kubuntu appears as "Ubuntu Linux" in the grub entry? or should it say something like "Kubuntu Linux" ?
[14:56] <slangasek> ara: normal; branding the bootloader is non-trivial without chopping up the grub2 package
[14:56] <ara> slangasek, ok, thanks :)
[15:20] <davmor2> slangasek: Right I'm just waiting on the live cd to finish installing then that is edu 64 done  32 bit is burning and the last alt xub is running.  DO you want me to run wubi on xub?
[15:21] <slangasek> davmor2: given that wubi is listed as a xubuntu test case, it would be good to have that done
[15:21] <slangasek> (if we're not going to be testing it, it should be removed from the ISO going forward)
[15:21] <davmor2> slangasek: not a problem.
[16:05] <fader_> davmor2: Do I remember some discussion of jockey not seeing wifi drivers on an hp mini yesterday?
[16:06] <davmor2> yes
[16:07] <davmor2> fader_: the outcome I think was it was broke
[16:07] <fader_> Did anybody figure that one out? :)
[16:07] <fader_> Heh
[16:07] <fader_> Okay, thanks
[16:07] <davmor2> fader_: pick on pitti
[16:08] <jsalisbury> I have a question regarding Checkbox.  Can I view my test results on lauchpad after they are sent there?  Or can this only be accomplished with the API?
[16:08] <ara> fader_, it was a mini9
[16:08] <ara> fader_, I think
[16:09] <fader_> ara: Ah, hmm
[16:09] <fader_> I'm seeing the same thing on an HP mini
[16:09] <davmor2> ara: keybuk's was on a mini10v
[16:09] <ara> fader_, let me find the bug number for you
[16:09] <davmor2> fader_: is it the same hw?
[16:09] <fader_> davmor2: Not sure
[16:09] <davmor2> broadcom?
[16:09] <fader_> It's a broadcom device
[16:10] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/439530
[16:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 439530 in jockey "Wireless card not detected on Dell Mini 9" [High,Triaged]
[16:10] <davmor2> bc2312 off the top of my head
[16:10] <davmor2> bc4312 even
[16:11] <ara> can anyone check if this is happening in normal kubuntu desktops? bug 440045
[16:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 440045 in kdebase-workspace "KDM does not give an error message when typing a wrong password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440045
[16:11] <fader_> ara: Thanks
[16:13] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[16:13] <fader_> I don't suppose anyone knows what package I'd need to grab to get the broadcom device working, since jockey isn't helping? :)
[16:13] <slangasek> fader_: bcmwl-kernel-source?
[16:14] <davmor2> slangasek: 50% through the edubuntu live install
[16:15] <slangasek> davmor2: ok, thanks
[16:15]  * fader_ hugs slangasek.
[16:15] <davmor2> just installing windows for the xub wubis too
[16:16] <fader_> That also explains why apt-cache searching for 'broadcom' didn't work :P
[16:20] <slangasek> fader_: 'apt-cache search broadcom' was how I found it...
[16:20] <ara> hehehe
[16:20] <fader_> slangasek: Weird, it didn't come up for me.  Maybe I misspelled 'broadcom' :/
[16:20] <slangasek> fader_: if you didn't have a network up yet, you wouldn't have any Packages files from the archive for apt-cache to search against?
[16:21] <davmor2> fader_: yeah broodcam won't work dude
[16:24] <fader_> slangasek: Well, I had it plugged into a physical etherhose, but in order to reach the connector I had to turn the netbook around backwards and type upside down
[16:24] <slangasek> heh
[16:24] <fader_> So it's entirely possible that I mistyped or misread it :/
[16:25] <fader_> (That's why I so desperately needed wifi ;) )
[16:26] <davmor2> fader_: you could just buy a longer ethernet lead of course :P
[16:27] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, I'm using a cable trailing around the corner of someone else's cubicle in the Lex office... I think next time I'll ask for my own connection :)
[16:28] <davmor2> fader_: just sit on their lap they won't mind it's for a good cause ;)
[16:28] <fader_> Hehe
[17:44] <slangasek> davmor2: closing in?
[17:47] <davmor2> slangasek: yes just picking off the kubuntu desktop auto resize while the edubuntu continues to slowly install
[17:55] <davmor2> slangasek: Meh post gres option for moodle kills the install I'll try it with the mysql backend see if it passes.  Then run it again to get the logs and stuff and bug it properly.  I'll just do a makeshift one for now
[17:59] <slangasek> oh dear
[17:59] <slangasek> why are the Ubuntu DVDs not posted on the tracker :/
[18:00]  * slangasek gets those posted, a bit late
[18:00] <slangasek> davmor2, fader_: you guys have anything left for DVD testing?
[18:00] <davmor2> crap
[18:01] <davmor2> yeah can do
[18:01] <davmor2> should already have them dl'd
[18:01] <slangasek> if these have to get published late, not the end of the world; we don't advertise them prominently
[18:03] <fader_> slangasek: Sorry, I don't have access to a system I can test DVD images on at the moment :(
[18:03] <slangasek> fader_: ok
[18:04] <fader_> I only have my netbook on me ATM
[18:04] <davmor2> fader_: bloody excuses ;)
[18:04] <fader_> davmor2: Nah, I just want to make sure you have something to do to keep you busy and out of trouble ;)
[18:45] <davmor3> BOO!
[18:51] <davmor2> slangasek: Ubuntu Dvd's starting to trickle through
[18:58] <timmy376> shouldn't the Karmic beta be released today? can't see it on the ubuntu site
[19:00] <davmor2> yes
[19:00] <davmor2> but not yet
[19:00] <davmor2> :P
[19:00] <timmy376> the release schedule says oct 1
[19:00] <davmor2> timmy376: shouldn't be too long
[19:03] <timmy376> think it's going to be tomorrow...
[19:04] <fader_> timmy376: It's still Oct 1 for some time yet :)
[19:05] <fader_> (More or less depending on where you are in the world)
[19:05] <timmy376> 4 hours remaining here :-)
[19:12] <davmor2> timmy376: the release manager lives in the us so it's lunch time ish
[19:29] <davmor2> evening ara
[19:30] <ara> evening davmor2
[21:11] <xdatap> hi everybody
[21:12] <xdatap> guys, I'm trying to download ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso with Torrent. I get: "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.". On other side Alternate is downloading correctly. Who's in charge for Torrent Tracker?
[21:22] <davmor2> slangasek: ^
[21:22] <davmor2> I just tried it desktop doesn't want to play
[21:23]  * sbeattie thinks slangasek may have gone to bed already.
[21:24] <sbeattie> davmor2: might be better to raise it on #ubuntu-release; cjwatson may know more about how to fix.
[21:27] <slangasek> the fix is "ask IS", fwiw
[21:32] <sbeattie> slangasek: ah, cool, thanks, didn't know how that was managed.
[21:51] <davmor2> night night every body
[21:51] <fader_> davmor2: Goodnight!  Get some rest :)