[06:14] <brobostigon> morning
[08:22] <zxmoypi> o/
[08:25] <brobostigon> o/
[20:00] <m0nkey_> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[20:35] <diddledan> what did you break?
[20:38] <Chunkyz> He followed through.
[21:47] <MattJ> Hmm, randomly came back from FOSDEM with 3 Haiku install CDs, and I don't even have a CD drive
[21:48] <daftykins> :D
[22:02] <Chunkyz> Ha
[22:02] <Chunkyz> Was they free?
[22:10] <MattJ> Yeah, they were giving them out and got left at our stand :)
[22:14] <Chunkyz> Offer them on Facebook or something, someone will want them.
[22:24] <MattJ> I'm not on Facebook, can I offer them here? :)
[22:24] <MattJ> Maybe I can offer them to my nearest LUG
[22:25] <MattJ> and transform them into a HUG
[22:26] <daftykins> get a shirt printed with 'mobile HUG' written on it
[22:26] <Chunkyz> 2020 and you're not on Facebook?!???
[22:27] <Chunkyz> daftykins: love you.
[22:29] <MattJ> 2020 and you're still on Facebook?
[22:30] <Chunkyz> Hap0
[22:30] <Chunkyz> Ha*
[22:30] <Chunkyz> Tbf, Facebook sucks.
[22:31] <daftykins> Chunkyz: you have a short fuse and always get upset when others point out you don't understand a topic, please don't turn it into arguments all the time... it's going to happen too often
[22:32] <Chunkyz> I should probably delete my Facebook but I'm lazy.


[00:21] <waltman> My UPS battery is dying, so I went to Microcenter tonight and asked them where they have their UPS batteries. "Do you have the old one?" the saleslady asked. "No," I replied, "but I have the model number."
[00:21] <waltman> "Oh. It's going to be hard finding you the right battery unless you have the old one." Me: WHA?
[00:22] <waltman> "I'm sorry, I figured you could look it up by model number. It never occured to me I'd have to lug in a 30 lb battery."
[00:22] <waltman> "Maybe I can still help. What model was it?" I told her. "That's a small one, isn't it? Let's check some of these..."
[00:23] <waltman> It seems that some of their batteries come in boxes with the supported UPS models on the back. But many others come unboxed, and they match them up BY SIZE.
[00:25] <waltman> I tried explaining that I could go online and find the exact battery I need for half the price of theirs. I also explained that if I needed wiper blades or an air filter, I could go into Pep Boys and consult a book that cross-referenced all the models.
[00:28] <waltman> I'm still amazed by this.
[06:42] <JonathanD> heh
[06:42] <JonathanD> waltman: nice :)
[09:42] <rmg51> Morning
[11:26] <waltman> JonathanD: I'm not crazy, right? That's a pretty wackadoodle way to sell batteries, isn't it?
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[12:31] <JonathanD> waltman: absolutely.
[12:31] <JonathanD> waltman: especially as I can tell you what your battery is without thinking about it...
[12:32] <JonathanD> waltman: it's an RBC2.
[13:29] <jedijf> Today we release Ubuntu 14.04 - come and join the release party in #ubuntu-release-party on the freenode IRC network to meet other Ubuntu fans getting fired up for the release! #ubuntu
[13:34] <KyleYankan> I'll wait for the after-party. That's when the booze comes out
[13:54] <waltman> We need ubuntu release party mints.
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> Is there going to be a meatspace release party?
[14:24] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: friday, KyleYankan's house :P
[14:37] <penth> So long as Kyle can keep the booze flowing
[14:47] <KyleYankan> no booze. dry town.
[14:47] <KyleYankan> O_O
[14:47] <KyleYankan> The little people have liver issues :-/
[21:46] <lazyPower> Whoa, where is this location? if its close I may want to go
[21:47] <lazyPower> always down for meeting the LOCO team. This is a good opportunity to support another branch of the PA LOCO in the burgh and start that topic moving.
[21:47] <lazyPower> cuz quite frankly, driving to philly every month isn't that appealing to attending meetings. Unless you guys are OK with having a floating talking head attend via hangouts
[21:57] <waltman> lazyPower: I think they were joking
[21:58] <lazyPower> oh :(
[21:58] <lazyPower> booo
[23:18] <JonathanD> We could maybe meet at coredial if you really want something in the burbs lazyPower
[23:18] <lazyPower> are you pgh local JonathanD?
[23:19] <JonathanD> oh, you're looking for pgh?
[23:19] <JonathanD> I can't help wiht that :)
[23:31] <JonathanD> I'm updating!
[23:31] <JonathanD> I hope it works.


[16:50] <Laney> so like
[16:50] <Laney> we forgot to meet
[16:51] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[16:56]  * stgraber waves
[16:56] <xnox> yo
[16:57]  * xnox has another meeting in half an hour
[16:59] <Laney> there's no agenda
[17:00] <Laney> shall I send the call for nominations with the timeline in the mail?
[17:03] <xnox> yeah.


[09:40] <happyaron> ypwong: all updates are uploaded, should migrate from -proposed in the coming hour
[09:45] <ypwong> happyaron, yo
[09:45] <ypwong> yay


[12:42] <k1l> `-`: wtf?
[12:55] <niko> §1°
[17:33] <tumbleweed> howdy. Anything special I should do if I'm setting up a private IRC channel? (for the developer-membership-board)
[17:42] <popey> just make sure the name doesn't clash with other channels that might be needed in the future, and ensure plenty of people have control over it so you don't get locked out I guess ☺
[17:42] <tumbleweed> yay for less bureaucracy
[17:43] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: also have a look at http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/
[17:43] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: and the help regarding flags and set (mainly mlock and guard) of chanserv.
[17:44] <tumbleweed> yeah, must still do that
[17:44] <tumbleweed> thanks
[17:44] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[17:44] <Fuchs> I assume it will be in the #ubuntu* namespace, then?  That would reduce the amount of action needed a bit :)
[17:45] <tumbleweed> yeah, #ubuntu-dmb
[17:46] <Fuchs> good
[18:06] <tumbleweed> I'm not very familiar with freenode's services
[18:06] <tumbleweed> I can't get chanserv to let me change channel modes
[18:08] <Fuchs> maybe mlock is on?
[18:08] <Fuchs> do you have a specific error message, or could you tell me what you try to set?
[18:08] <tumbleweed> it won't let me change mlock
[18:09] <Fuchs> what channel?
[18:09] <Fuchs> sorry, stupid question
[18:09] <tumbleweed> ah, I just turn it off
[18:09]  * tumbleweed was trying to set new modes with it
[18:09] <tumbleweed> and getting "You are not authorized to perform this command."
[18:09] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: that works as well, e.g. /msg chanserv set #ubuntu-dmb -t+cn
[18:10] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: I unfortunately don't have access to the access list of the channel
[18:10] <tumbleweed> naah, think I'm sorted now
[18:10] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: have a look at /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-dmb list
[18:10] <Fuchs> okay
[18:12] <tumbleweed> what do other teams do for private channels? password? op-only? or just clear out the lurkers when they want to discuss something sensitive?
[18:13] <Fuchs> password doesn't help that well and might fail in cases of netsplits
[18:13] <Fuchs> you can set it on invite only and maintain a list, if there are not many users
[18:13] <tumbleweed> yup, not that many
[18:13] <tumbleweed> I was just wondering what the ubuntu-norms are
[18:14] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: in that case:  /quote help cmode
[18:14] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: you might be interested in +i and +I
[18:15] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: I have seen several, in one team we use +k  (password) which I don't like, in another we have +i
[18:15] <tumbleweed> ok, I'll go with invite-only
[18:19] <Fuchs> tumbleweed: then I would actually recommend to mlock +I and to set guard on
[21:27] <Nafallo> ubot2 will disappear for a little server maintenance. should be back momentarily.
[21:27] <ubot2> Nafallo: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:18] <cjohnston> I know that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines exists, however, is there an ettiquete type page somewhere for the general ubuntu namespace?
[23:20] <Unit193> There is the !etiquette factoid, and the CoC covers some of that too
[23:20] <Nafallo> oh. ubot2 is back btw.
[23:20] <Nafallo> just fyi
[23:22] <cjohnston> Unit193: I wonder if maybe the guidelines above should be made a little more general, since it only mentions #ubuntu that I see
[23:23] <Myrtti> that is one of the bugs that are assigned to IRCC in launchpad, IIRC
[23:24] <Myrtti> topyli probably confirms or denies my recollection
[23:24] <cjohnston> Myrtti: was that directed to me?
[23:24] <Myrtti> yeah I suppose
[23:24] <cjohnston> ok
[23:24] <cjohnston> ty
[23:25] <Unit193> cjohnston: http://notes.kde.org/ubuntuguidelines
[23:26] <Myrtti> bug 788503
[23:26] <Myrtti> there is a new sketch somewhere but I can't remember the URL
[23:27] <cjohnston> Thanks to both of you
[23:28] <Unit193> Glad I was a little help, the bug is exactly what you were looking for
[23:29] <cjohnston> :-)
[23:38] <topyli> cjohnston: yes we would prefer to fix that bug than create more documents :)
[23:39] <topyli> s/prefer to/rather/
[23:39] <topyli> stupid language


[00:28] <sarnold> vorlon: looks like dbus snapd deepin-notifications rust-dbus http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9MGPZ7FXWw/
[00:29] <sarnold> jdstrand: thanks for the help getting for-archive going -- it's really *crazy* faster to search just a portion of the archive, and to start from the tarballs rather than unpacked sources
[08:51] <LocutusOfBorg> hello xnox, mongodb is sad due to python-yaml removed, do you still want it?
[08:59] <ricotz> hello, could someone take a look at the pending "ldc" transition in resolve issues with uninstallable packages
[09:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, I can do it
[10:11] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, ty!
[12:02] <rbasak> jamespage: o/ reviewing bug 1881077. Where did you get the orig tarball from?
[12:03] <rbasak> There's a bunch of noise in the diff - looks like a switch to a git snapshot so missing autoconf
[12:03] <rbasak> I noticed you changed the watch file
[12:03] <rbasak> But that's still a .gz, and the orig tarball you uploaded is an .xz and I can't find that anywhere
[12:21] <rbasak> tjaalton: are we colliding on SRU processing?
[12:21] <rbasak> I just commented on bug 1871214 but only just noticed that you accepted the Focal SRU only two hours ago (but you missed Bionic and Eoan).
[12:59] <jamespage> rbasak: hmm odd - let me check
[12:59] <jamespage> I'm pretty sure I uscan'ed but can't remember specifically
[13:01] <rbasak> Thanks. I don't see any specific problem but it did seem odd so I thought I'd ask in case it was unintentional.
[13:25] <tjaalton> rbasak: yeah sorry, was looking at the focal queue and missed that this one was for x/b too..
[13:29] <tjaalton> and e
[13:30] <tjaalton> not x
[15:08] <vorlon> sarnold: thanks for the analysis!
[15:08] <vorlon> seb128, Laney: see sarnold's list of packages referencing the old dbus apparmor api http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9MGPZ7FXWw/
[15:10] <Laney> vorlon: nice and small
[15:10] <jdstrand> that paste doesn't seem to include all releases
[15:11] <jdstrand> please note my comment from yesterday that if dbus-daemon drops the api, snaps that stage-package from < groovy could break
[15:11] <jdstrand> that doesn't mean to not do it, just that it is something to consider
[15:49] <ackk> Hi, filed a RM request which should be quite trivial here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/django-piston3/+bug/1882949
[18:49] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, openms sync?
[19:23] <sergiodj> doko: hey, I'm updating mako and I saw you reenabled python-mako back in february in focal.  I can't find any rdepends on python-mako on groovy, so I'm considering removing the binary again.  when you can, please let me know what you think.  TIA!
[20:04] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  mongodb should be removed from the archive
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, care to ask for it? you seem to be the one maintaining it...
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg> btw there is a new mongodb python3 readt


[03:37] <jrbt> sorry to insist but an idea?
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[10:40] <jrbt> Hey! Problem solved :)
[10:40] <jrbt> It is because my home was encrypted
[10:40] <jrbt> Now, apps run well on my phone :)
[15:46] <Matlin> Help alla someone know how tocqueville manage sockets in ubuntu sdk?
[15:46] <Raven67854> Hello
[15:46] <Matlin> hi
[15:47] <Matlin> Does someone say how to manage sockets in ubuntu sdk?
[15:47] <Raven67854> So I'm still somewhat new to Ubuntu development. Whenever I make a simple QML app the "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1" line is red underlined. and it errors whenever I go to build
[15:47] <Raven67854> anybody know whats with that?
[15:48] <Matlin> no
[15:48] <Raven67854> Bummer
[15:50] <davidcalle> Raven67854, are you using the SDK PPA? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[15:50] <joc_> does anyone know how to declare a string in QML that contains a emoji character from the emoticon set - i.e. 1F601 or higher?
[15:54] <mcphail> joc_: I haven't tried, but does adding the character directly into the string not work?
[15:55] <joc_> mcphail: i can add a char that is four hex digits long using \u123A for example - but doesnt work for 4 digits i think
[15:55] <joc_> sorry doesnt work for 5 digits
[15:57] <MrsButterWorps> hi!  Is there a faq or something somewhere explaining the process for submitting a code change to a package managed by the ubuntu development team?
[15:58] <mcphail> joc_: and if you paste the character directly into the string, does that work?
[16:01] <joc_> mcphail: good idea, and rather obvious now i think about it ;)
[16:02] <mcphail> joc_: :)
[16:03] <joc_> mcphail: yep, copying out of a browser list does do the trick 😁
[16:03] <mcphail> joc_: iirc, Qt does all kinds of messing about with utf-8 and different charsets. A bit of a mess. But I assume a QML textfield will simply accept whatever you paste
[16:05] <mcphail> (now, if I could get PuTTY, screen and irssi to show high characters correctly, I might be able to see what you sent instead of an empy box :)
[16:07] <joc_> mcphail: thanks (seemed to show up ok in my combination of gnome-term, tmux, irrsi)
[16:22] <joachimhs> Is there a release schedule published for Ubuntu Phone?
[16:27] <ogra_> joachimhs, every 6 weeks
[16:27] <ogra_> (there is no fixed schedule since it can vary if QA finds bugs etc)
[16:31] <joachimhs> ogra_: OK. Is the features planned/released published anywhere?
[16:31] <joachimhs> ogra_: And will the phone list new updates as they become available=
[16:31] <joachimhs> ?
[16:32] <ogra_> there are bug lists (dont ask me where :P ... looks for canonical-system-image on launchpad)
[16:32] <ogra_> the phone notifies you if there is a new OTA available
[16:32] <ogra_> and sil2100 usually sends a mail about the changes to the ubuntu-phone mailing list afterwards
[16:33] <joachimhs> ok
[16:33] <joachimhs> Just got my Aquaris E5 today
[16:33] <ogra_> cool !
[16:33] <joachimhs> It takes a but getting used to, coming from the iPhone
[16:34] <ogra_> well, once you are used to it it is also hard to go back :)
[16:34] <ogra_> you always swipe from the sides and wonder why nothing happens ... at least me :)
[16:34] <joachimhs> :)
[16:34] <mcphail> +1
[16:34] <joachimhs> The whole "no back button" is very different
[16:35] <joachimhs> But I suppose ill get used to it
[16:35] <ogra_> you will
[16:35] <ogra_> takes a bit :)
[16:35] <ogra_> and well ... there are back buttons in apps ... at the top left
[16:36] <joachimhs> I am really hoping that both Ubuntu Phone and FirefoxOS can make a huge OSS dent on iPhone and Andrioid!
[16:36] <mcphail> switching between apps on Android is a real chore these days, particularly as I've now added a "swipe from the right and notice nothing happening" step
[16:36] <joachimhs> True... But there is no button to press to "exit this app"
[16:37] <mcphail> joachimhs: swipe open the carousel then swipe away the app
[16:37] <ogra_> well, exiting via swiping it away from the app spread will quickly go into your finger memory :)
[16:37] <ogra_> you can just swipe them up/down to close them
[16:38] <joachimhs> I guess. But there's still the "no button to exit the carousel" :) But Im sure Ill get used to it. Just a different concept i think
[16:39] <joachimhs> Also, There should be a "ask for PIN code after X hours", like the iPhone has. Means that the phone is "relatively safe" if lost, but also that I don't have to type the pin code all the time
[16:40] <ogra_> that sounds like a suggestion to make in a whishlist bug for the designers
[16:40] <ogra_> (there shoudl be a ubuntu-ux product in launchpad you can file it against)
[16:40] <joachimhs> ok
[16:41] <ogra_> (not sure what the security team would say about it though :) )
[16:45] <joachimhs> Is this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux used to report things for the Ubuntu Phone too?
[16:45] <popey> depends what type of report
[16:45] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers is the canonical (heu) list
[16:45] <joachimhs> hm
[16:45] <popey> ubuntu-ux is for design things, so we usually file bugs against specific apps, then add a task for ubuntu-uk
[16:46] <popey> let me know if you need help there.
[16:46] <popey> (I have filed a few bugs in my time)
[16:46] <joachimhs> popey: I would like to file the suggestion from above: "ask for PIN code after X hours"
[16:47] <joachimhs> "Data on lock screen" ?
[16:47] <popey> no
[16:47] <popey> that would hit quite a few things
[16:47] <popey> you want to lock the phone but _not_ have it ask for pin?
[16:47] <popey> that seems insecure
[16:48] <joachimhs> Well.. I want it to ask for a pin if the phone has been on the lock screen for "X amount of minutes/hours"
[16:48] <ogra_> he wants it to lock after a few hours of not having been on i guess
[16:48] <joachimhs> Which is somewhere in-between "no pin" and "ask every time"
[16:48] <popey> still sounds insecure :)
[16:49] <ogra_> well, more secure than no pin at all
[16:49] <popey> but sure, file it... uhm.
[16:49] <popey> ish
[16:49] <ogra_> (and it would eb optional, you would explicitly select that feature)
[16:49] <popey> I'd file it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image and let us have the bug number
[16:50] <joachimhs> popey: Well.. on my laptop I can choose to walk away from it without locking it, or I can choose to lock it. Since the phone will "lock automatically to save power on inactivity", something in between is nice
[16:50] <popey> sure.
[16:58] <joachimhs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1470586
[16:59] <joachimhs> Ah.. I beat the bot ;)
[16:59] <joachimhs> It was filed as a bug, but its more of a feature I suppose
[17:03] <mcphail> joachimhs: on Ubuntu, bugs _are_ features :)
[17:03] <joachimhs> :)
[17:05] <popey> thanks joachimhs
[17:06] <joachimhs> popey: no worries
[17:06] <popey> tagged ubuntu-ux
[17:06] <joachimhs> i guess I should even take a stab at implementing it :)
[17:07] <joachimhs> The "The Meizu MX4" looks quite nice
[17:08] <ogra_> the screen and camera are quite awesome
[17:08] <joachimhs> Good quality Hardware is one of the major driving force in high-end markets like Europe and the US
[17:09] <ogra_> well,. it has its drawbacks ... single SIM, no SD and for now only available with 16G with ubuntu
[17:09] <joachimhs> I guess but at €299 it still pretty sweet
[17:09] <ogra_> so it is sadly not all shiny
[17:09] <ogra_> yeah, thats true
[17:10] <joachimhs> One of my main arguments against the iPhone is its extremely high price point, combined with fragile screens
[17:10] <Raven67854> davidcalle, I'm on 15.04 and I installed straight from the software center
[17:32] <joachimhs> Is there an easy way to control the music from the lock-screen?
[17:33] <ahayzen> not yet...'soon' ;-)
[17:33] <ogra_> nope ... there is control support from the volume indicator in the works though
[17:33] <ahayzen> specifically from the sound-menu indicator
[17:33] <ogra_> like you have on ubuntu desktop
[17:33] <joachimhs> OK
[17:33] <joachimhs> "Swipe from bottom" in lock screen should work :)
[17:33] <joachimhs> Kind of iPhone-ish
[17:34] <ogra_> what would that do ?
[17:34] <ogra_> the bottom is reserved for creativity of app developers ;)
[17:34] <joachimhs> OK
[17:34] <ogra_> so it is excluded from the system gestures
[17:35] <joachimhs> ok. swipe from top could also work. Add a "note" icon at the top-hand bar to bring down audio controls
[17:35] <ogra_> yes, that is what i described above :)
[17:36] <ogra_> you swipe from top and go to the volume control ... there you have play/ppause and back/forward
[17:38] <joachimhs> ogra_: ah :)
[18:09] <joachimhs> Does the Ubuntu Phone support apps on the sim-card?
[21:25] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan_: zbenjamin thanks for the merge. I'm getting a bit burned out on the project, so I'd just like to know what you would like for a final push? Will we be trying to get this merged into qtcreator?  If i'm not online, send me a message. I want to make sure this goes over well because I will need to use this in a portfolio for finding a job.


[19:38] <ikonia> peyam: I'd advise you (if possible) to use a 64bit host if possible
[19:38] <__0x57__> i was jst going to #winehq as you said it
[19:38] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so software center fails with some strange behavior
[19:38] <ikonia> peyam: eg: install ubuntu 64bit to make it easier from the start
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> darkmutt, A partitioned install works with filling an unallocated space or making space with the installer.
[19:38] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: http://pastebin.com/aeDM0nkW
[19:38] <hiigaran> it doesnt say much
[19:38] <eph3meral> I clicked install and then it prompted me about 10 times with the message that the package is unknown/not-secure, to which there were only two buttons [OK] and [repair]
[19:39] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, after the first round of clicking ok a bunch it apparently "did nothing" and I still had an install button
[19:39] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, fails to install the nvidia 313 or fails to launch ?
[19:39] <eph3meral> well it is trying to install 304
[19:39] <eph3meral> that's what it thinks is "current"
[19:39] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, as to that question I'm not 100% sure, i'm trying to describe the behavior
[19:40] <citrusfizz> ikonia: what would be my apache config in a nutshell?
[19:40] <eph3meral> subsequently after the first attempt at clicking install, I tried again, this time I got a progress bar, but still had to click OK about 10 times
[19:40] <agrester> Hello, anyone familiar with brother scanners, for some reason I can't get it to work at all!
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Are you sure you need this or that it is a legit app, it is set for 10.04 and previous releases as well.
[19:40] <ikonia> citrusfizz: you'd be running 2 instances, just as you would if you had two seperate physical cards
[19:40] <eph3meral> and then it sat there for like, a really long time, but eventually just gave me that same question one more time, I clicked ok one more time
[19:40] <ikonia> citrusfizz: 2 configs, binding one instance to IP 1, the second to IP 2
[19:40] <eph3meral> and now the button still says install
[19:40] <citrusfizz> ikonia: ok, i think i can google out the rest of it.   thanks!
[19:41] <eph3meral> also the 'progress' recycle icon had a red "2" next to it
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Identify the scanner and what you have tried so far to the channel.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, perhaps the nvidia-current driver is correct for your ubuntu version
[19:41] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: its a program used by the swedish medical centers to log you in to a fast reply system. its basically a security app
[19:41] <mernilio> Hi! Im free for asking! Being an old unix guy .. I just want to bring out all my knowledge to you guys!
[19:41] <hiigaran> been trying to install it for my mother, but...ugh
[19:41] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, er... correct? you mean I already have it installed?
[19:41] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, how could I test that?
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, It is a Tar you would install it through a terminal.
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> !tar
[19:42] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: yeah, i untar it, then run the installation script as per the guide
[19:42] <hiigaran> i have it installed
[19:42] <mernilio> Dating a girl from CS is inpossible .. and undateable!
[19:42] <hiigaran> i just cant find it
[19:42] <ikonia> mernilio: ok, we don't need that sort of information in here
[19:42] <hiigaran> i dont know where it installed to, nor do i know what the command is to start it up
[19:42] <ikonia> mernilio: this channel is used for ubuntu support only, so if you could stick to that it would be helpful and appreciated
[19:42] <mernilio> ikonia: it could be nice knowing! ;-)
[19:42] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, if it was already installed you would get a notification, like "already the newest version"
[19:43] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Ah, I see does it work through a cli maybe, you would probably want to contact the release whomever they are really.
[19:43] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, ok, so then where do I go from here?
[19:43] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: i was hoping i wouldnt do that
[19:43] <hiigaran> but is there a lubuntu equivalent of this applications menu?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, did the nvidia-current driver install ?
[19:43] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, I would look in bin or sbin in /
[19:43] <hiigaran> ill give that a shot
[19:43] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, uhh, no... how do I know for sure?
[19:44] <eph3meral> it still has an install button - I assume there would not be an install button if it was installed
[19:44] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, You can search the computer from home and /
[19:44] <hiigaran> not sure what id search for
[19:44] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , in the console
[19:45] <agrester> Have an MFC-8660DN scanner, hooked it up to usb, and followed the instructions to install the Brother driver here http://goo.gl/ocpT6L and install the package that generates UDEV rules for the scanner http://goo.gl/ocpT6L, this worked before but for some reason recently it no longer works.
[19:45] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, not installed
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, start with the name the tar used basically, there is probably sets of files, this is 3rd party stuff and technically not supported here.
[19:46] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: thanks, anyway
[19:46] <agrester> Next, I tried the method described on the forums here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=590793
[19:46] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6103063/
[19:46] <agrester> Still, it doesn't work no matter what I tried...
[19:46] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, so apt-get wouldn't install nvidia-current , was there an error ?
[19:47] <klong-> question: what software is in charge of implemtening "dns-nameserver" parameter in /etc/network/interfaces?  my interfaces are coming up on reboot, but DNS is not
[19:47] <eph3meral> I didn't say that, you asked whether "it was installed" and asked me to try that command to check for sure - that paste is merely the output proving that in fact the nvidia-current package is not installed
[19:47] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, I can try it through apt, but that seems dangerous to me from what I know
[19:48] <michaelwang32> ma
[19:48] <michaelwang32> i was testing
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Someone may help you more efficiently, however a app we know nothing about in general slows things down is all. ;)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ok , it will be fine eph3meral , let it install , then the software manager will ask you to reboot
[19:48] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: yeah, i dont blame you, or anything, dont worry
[19:49] <Mizoguchi> clear
[19:49] <hiigaran> i dont suppose a restart would help?
[19:49] <zykotick9> eph3meral: fyi, you can use "apt-cache policy foo" to verify if things or installed or not.
[19:49] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so what happens when I want to upgrade my kernel? right now I have it locked to 3.8.0-27 in synaptic
[19:50] <hiigaran> meh, ill try
[19:50] <eph3meral> zykotick9, cool thanks
[19:50] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, actually less dangerous than using jockey in my experience , jockey can be buggy
[19:50] <eph3meral> hmm, aight then, good to know
[19:50] <agrester> Oh ya, currently on Ubuntu 13.04 kernel version 3.8---30
[19:51] <eph3meral> ok reboot, brb, wish me luck
[19:51] <reallordofall> yo
[19:51] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, just be sure to sudo apt-get distupgrade every now and then , that wull bring any new kernel updates/upgrades along
[19:51] <BluesKaj> eph3meral,  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , rather
[19:51] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, what do you mean by bring kernel updates/upgrades? cuz I had been getting kernel updates from the software updater and it was breaking my vieo
[19:52] <agrester> Basically, scanning is terrible in Mac OS X and I want to avoid it.
[19:52] <eph3meral> which is why I locked my kernel to -27
[19:52] <eph3meral> s/vieo/video/
[19:52] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, which ubuntu version ?
[19:52] <eph3meral> 13.04 64 bit regular
[19:52] <eph3meral> though I'm running KDE
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> agrester, You checked for drivers in printers first right?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ok and your graphics card is ?
[19:53] <eph3meral> nvidia 680gtx
[19:53] <agrester> wilee-nilee, yep
[19:53] <reallordofall> kde is so slow and buggy try xfce
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> agrester, cool had ti ask is all. ;)
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> to*
[19:54] <mernilio> Damn.. where did that guy go.. i just had a good wriging aboujt me being a killer programmer and a master unix admin :-)
[19:54] <agrester> wilee-nilee, okay, the strange thing is that it's worked before using the same procedure
[19:54] <zykotick9> reallordofall: xfce is so slow and buggy try <insert WM here>.  (don't make comments like that, it's not helpful - let people use what they want... even if it's silly)
[19:54] <BluesKaj> no wonder you're having problems eph3meral locking the kernel is not a good practice , one needs to keep the OS updated
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Yeah, I saw that, another release?
[19:55] <reallordofall> ok sorry
[19:56] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, i would if the updates didn't break my video
[19:56] <mernilio> Its non topic.. but i had to write to my dad .. he is not good towards my mum.
[19:56] <agrester> wilee-nilee, perhaps I should check on that
[19:56] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, I run kde as well , on 13.04 64bit as well and the 313 driver should be availnble if you uipgrade and dist-upgrade
[19:56] <eph3meral> and i disagree on "not a good practice" maybe not an "ideal" practice, but ideal vs doesn't break I'll take doesn't break
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> agrester, I meant another ubuntu release.
[19:57] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, all the other kernels have something wrong where I get stuck on a really low resolution
[19:57] <eph3meral> i actually found a thread on it in the ubuntu bugs tracker somewhere
[19:57] <eph3meral> it's happening to plenty of other people
[19:57] <Johnny_Linux> sure is a nice card tho
[19:58] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, if the distribution process were perfect I could agree with you about not locking my kernel, but as is, I just can't "live with it" when I get stuck at like 1024x768 max
[19:58] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, well, maybe my lowly 8400gs isn't so bad afterall
[19:58] <OerHeks> eph3meral, on what videocard ?
[19:58] <agrester> wilee-nilee, no it was the same version
[19:58] <eph3meral> OerHeks, 680gxt
[19:58] <Johnny_Linux> eph3meral  if you dont mind me asking, what kind of mobo is that sitting on
[19:58] <eph3meral> Johnny_Linux, asrock extreme4
[19:58] <Johnny_Linux> ok
[19:59] <BluesKaj> yeah there are some reports about res problems with the Nvidia 600 series , eph3meral
[19:59] <zykotick9> eph3meral: i'm just curious, but have you ever installed the nvidia.com driver?  in addition to the ubuntu version?  the 680gxt sounds a lot newer then my 8800, but i don't have trouble with kernel/nvidia driver?
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> agrester, I see this, however I'm not familiar with this unit. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+package/brother-cups-wrapper-laser
[20:01] <agrester> wilee-nilee, checked that I don't think the scanner software is in there
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> agrester, With a quick search I see info at brother on additional stuff needed, I think you are probably just missing something, just a guess though.
[20:02] <eph3meral> ah, yeah could be just the hardware is relatively new
[20:02] <eph3meral> well reboot, wish me luck, brb
[20:02] <Johnny_Linux> yeah
[20:03] <wilee-nilee> agrester, You have the backports and partners repos open in the sources.list?
[20:06] <agrester> wilee-nilee, no just updates
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Those repos can be important for stuff, the partners especially.
[20:07] <eph3meral> well, I think it finally worked
[20:07] <eph3meral> thanks BluesKaj
[20:07] <reallordofall> sudo apt-get install amarok/$(lsb_release -sc)-backports
[20:08] <eph3meral> zykotick9, XFCE isn't slow, it's blazing fast, but it is buggy
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> agrester, You probably had those repos open last time you installed, when I run a deb like that I use gdebi it will show any missing dependencies.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, check this in the console , dkms status , you may need to install dkms
[20:08] <reallordofall> i'm not agree but it doesnt matter
[20:09] <arcsky_> can anyone help me with a source.list to ubuntu 11.04
[20:09] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, "nvidia-304, 304.88, 3.8.0-27-generic, x86_64: installed"
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, 11.04 is eol.
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> !eol | archigos this will direct your sources info.
[20:09] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so now how do I go about upgrading to 3.8.0-30 and still keep the nvidia driver
[20:10] <eph3meral> and or, how do I go about upgrading to nvidia 313
[20:10] <eph3meral> (both, but we can tackle one at a time if need be)
[20:10] <arcsky_> wilee-nilee: ok its an lab laptop. isnt possible to do something?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, now might want to unlock your kernel , unless you're happy with the 304 driver
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, Problem is its not supported here, read the bots link on the repos for a upgrade maybe.
[20:10] <eph3meral> why would unlocking the kernel change the driver version?
[20:10] <bwayne> I've got X11 forwarding setup. I can start programs like xclock. How to launch a program like chrome-browser?
[20:10] <eph3meral> aren't they indepenent?
[20:11] <eph3meral> independent*
[20:11] <bekks> bwayne: The same way as xclock.
[20:11] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, 11.04 is just not in the standard repos as of now.
[20:11] <Kronuz> hello
[20:11] <zykotick9> eph3meral: re: xfce-slow, actually that's a matter of opinion!  that's why i commented on your origional statement, these arguments are pointless.  but compared to my awesome/ncurses mainly setup, xfce is a resource beast ;)  it's all a matter of opinion.
[20:11] <arcsky_> wilee-nilee: i did dist-upgrade now
[20:11] <eph3meral> zykotick9, haha, well that's an almost unfair comparison because you're implicitly leaving X11 out of that equation
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> !dist-upgrade
[20:12] <zykotick9> eph3meral: awesome is xorg
[20:12] <eph3meral> s/X11/Xorg/
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, Your repos are not legit is all.
[20:12] <Kronuz> I'm having issues distributing a binary file and making it work in two different boxes with two different versions of ubuntu: Ubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 13.04
[20:12] <agrester> wilee-nilee, is there a generic scanning package I can use?
[20:12] <Kronuz> http://pastie.org/8323798
[20:13] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, aren't the versions independent? how would unlocking my kernel version cause the nvidia driver version to change
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Not that i know of, again this is not supported here that is all I can really do. ;)
[20:13] <Kronuz> The guy who said he had to re-build the source code, gave me his built binaries, and I compared them to mine using ldd
[20:13] <Kronuz> (that's the pastie above)
[20:13] <Kronuz> the used libraries look the same names
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> all I know really, agrester
[20:13] <alastor__> i'm pretty sure i've added a ppa to get newer versions of PHP but i don't see anything out of the ordinary in /etc/apt/sources.list. where else could my PPA definitions be?
[20:14] <Kronuz> what can be causing my binaries (built using 12.04) not to work in his box (13.04)?
[20:14] <eph3meral> alastor__, check in synaptic under repositories
[20:14] <wilee-nilee> alastor__, /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:14] <zykotick9> alastor__: ppa's are in sources.list.  look in the source.list.d directory.
[20:14] <eph3meral> alastor__, also, you need to sudo apt-get update
[20:14] <zykotick9> alastor__: s/are/aren't/
[20:14] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, because you upgrade the kernel thereby upgrading the kernel modules available your OS
[20:15] <alastor__> i see. thank you wilee-nilee zykotick9 eph3meral
[20:15] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, but there are like 7 kernel versions and only 3 driver versions
[20:15] <eph3meral> aight, well whatever I'll give it a shot, lets see how it goes
[20:15] <eph3meral> bbiab
[20:15] <geirha> Kronuz: strings _SilverCity.so | grep GLIBC
[20:17] <gmag> Hi guys, how can I give all privileges to a user? I have tried visudo but no success. Do I have to run an update-* command to apply changes?
[20:18] <geirha> gmag: What line did you add with visudo?
[20:18] <Kronuz> geirha: http://pastie.org/8323817
[20:18] <zykotick9> gmag: add user to the sudo group.  log out / back in as that user.  done.
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> alastor__, Did you find /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[20:19] <ikonia> gmag: just put the user in the admin group
[20:19] <Kronuz> my binary is the one without the GLIBC_2.4
[20:19] <gmag> geirha, myuser ALL=(ALL) ALL
[20:19] <zykotick9> ikonia: NOT admin group, sudo.
[20:19] <ikonia> is the group sudo, I thought it was admin, thanks zykotick9
[20:19] <gmag> how to add?
[20:19] <geirha> gmag: And you added this as the last line? because the order of the lines matter
[20:19] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, I'm just saying it doesn't seem like there could be a 1-1 correlation between a kernel *version change* and a mandatory driver *version change*
[20:19] <zykotick9> ikonia: it was admin, not it's sudo.
[20:20] <eph3meral> since there aren't enough versions to go together
[20:20] <zykotick9> s/not/now/
[20:20] <gmag> geirha, I added after root user
[20:20] <gmag> there are only these two users
[20:20] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, I was under the impression that the driver version was independent, you just need to recompile the driver agains the new kernel headers but the driver version stays the same
[20:20] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, if this ^ is what you mean by "upgrade" then I guess we're on the same page
[20:20] <Kronuz> geirha, the other two binaries output the exact same GLIBC strings)
[20:21] <an3k> can someone help me with my problem please? installing ubuntu 13.04 on my desktop is done without any errors, rebooting also works well, even logging in but then after ~30 seconds the whole sys starts to heavily lag and ~20 seconds later the whole sys freezes
[20:21] <geirha> gmag: Ok, that should allow you to run anything with sudo, provided you authenticate
[20:21] <gmag> geirha, http://codepad.org/A8YEl4eg
[20:21] <mimo> I have an ubuntu latest version and a usb sound card.   when using this sound card the ubuntu freezes and Ineed to restart the machine regularly.... is there a way to send ubuntu developers a log or something so they can fix this?
[20:22] <geirha> Kronuz: Yeah, they look ok, that's just the typical problem I've encountered sharing a binary between different ubuntu releases. Is there a particular error message when it fails?
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> mimo, there is a bug report system.
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ]eph there isn't a new driver module with every kernel upgrade , ther eusually 3 or 4 modules available for a particular kerenel at any one time.
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> !bugs
[20:22] <zykotick9> mimo: are you SURE it's the soundcard causing the issue?  look in to how to file a bug ("/msg ubottu bug" for details).
[20:22] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, ^
[20:23] <mimo> zykotick9: yes pretty sure, only started happening when I started using this, I haven't changed anything else
[20:23] <eph3meral> i'm pretty sure we're still completely misunderstanding each other
[20:23] <eph3meral> we're also using different terms, I'm saying version you're saying module
[20:23] <geirha> gmag: Yeah, myuser should have the same access as any user in the admin group; any particular reason why you don't just add the user to the admin group instead?
[20:23] <eph3meral> again, while they could correlate I don't think they necessarily do
[20:24] <zykotick9> mimo: well, try to file a bug against whatever package (probably the kernel) that supplies that driver.  best of luck.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, but the modules themselves don't upgrade as quickloy as kernels do it seems
[20:25] <bucketm0use> is there any 'easy' way to put yourself in a sandbox before you install some software on Ubuntu?
[20:25] <bucketm0use> I'd like to be able to undo the process rather easily
[20:26] <reallordofall> bye everybody
[20:27] <gmag> geirha, I tried everything and still have no permissions to do a simple "touch file" in /usr/local/bin
[20:28] <geirha> gmag: You mean  sudo touch file  fails?
[20:28] <gmag> geirha, no, I mean touch file
[20:29] <geirha> gmag: Then sudoers can't help
[20:29] <gmag> geirha, I would like to run it without "sudo"
[20:29] <gmag> geirha, I see
[20:29] <gmag> geirha, what can I do?
[20:29] <agrester> wilee-nilee: do I need to install the printer driver first?
[20:29] <LinuxGold> what is the default chown for /var/www ?
[20:29] <bwayne> OK.  My issue was that there was already a chrome-browser process going. Starting firefox worked fine.
[20:29] <geirha> gmag: Then you either have to run it from a root shell, or give your user write access to that directory
[20:30] <genii> LinuxGold: root
[20:31] <LinuxGold> thanks
[20:35] <zwiep`> is it possible to use 2 graphics adapters and 3/4 displays with ubuntu these days? I know I had some issues with it before.
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> agrester, If it were me I would of had those repos open and be fully updated, then installed the brother deb.
[20:36] <gmag> geirha, thanks mate, I changed folder permissions, it is working now.
[20:39] <seanz> Greetings. Does Ubuntu automatically detect if I dynamically change the size of the hard drive that the OS is installed on?
[20:42] <OerHeks> seanz, "dynamically"as in while running ubuntu?
[20:42] <seanz> OerHeks: Either that or on reboot.
[20:43] <seanz> Without having to take any manual steps.
[20:43] <OerHeks> seanz, you cannot change the partitions mounted. if you change them with the live cd or other, yes, it will detect the change.
[20:44] <eusto_> hi, i have a problem with live install
[20:44] <eusto_> i'm using a bootable usb disk to install ubuntu on a machine
[20:44] <eusto_> but somehow grub does not show up at boot
[20:45] <agrester> wilee-nilee: I'm beginning to fear it's a kernel version thing, the kernels have been updated recently, and nothing I can do will make it work!
[20:45] <eusto_> after a successful install, the computer still boots the other OS
[20:45] <eusto_> any ideas?
[20:46] <OerHeks> eusto_, hold shift @ boot to enter grubmenu
[20:46] <eusto_> OerHeks: thanks, I'll try and get back
[20:46] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, yes I understand that the modules don't upgrade as quickly as the kernels
[20:47] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so that's why I was saying, upgrading the kernel e.g. from 3.8.0-29 to 3.8.0-29 won't guaranteed that nvidia-304 will be upgraded
[20:47] <eph3meral> might be reasonable to suppose so, but I thought they were independent
[20:48] <eph3meral> so all I'm saying is I still don't see how "unlocking" the kernel ensures a module upgrade, esp if 304 is available for all kernels which I would have to suppose it is
[20:48] <Johnny_Linux> eph3meral  you could also uncheck 'search for new  drivers' in startup pps
[20:49] <eph3meral> I mean I saw it build the module with an exact version when I installed with apt-get, I just want to make sure that if I install a kernel upgrade, it will at the very least recompile my nvidia-304 driver module for that new kernel
[20:49] <eph3meral> I seem to recall this is not an automatic thing
[20:49] <eph3meral> but maybe things have changed
[20:49] <eph3meral> Johnny_Linux, hmm, startup what now? how do I get there?
[20:49] <bekks> eph3meral: Thats not possible, since a new kernel might ship a new ABI which breaks the compilation of that module.
[20:50] <eph3meral> bekks, ok then what about at least install any kind of compatible nvidia module when I kernel upgrade?
[20:50] <eph3meral> like if I have nvidia-304 on -27 and -29 breaks nvidia-304 but works on nvidia-310
[20:50] <eph3meral> will it auto install 310?
[20:50] <eph3meral> by it I generally mean apt-get
[20:51] <bekks> eph3meral: I'll personally start a war of rage against the one who decides it would be a good idea to automatically download and install another driver version without asking me.
[20:51] <eph3meral> bekks, because if I'm not mistaken, this is the exact reason I locked my kernel because there's no way to upgrade the kernel in place if it's tied to nvidia drivers
[20:51] <eph3meral> bekks, I never said anything about don't ask me
[20:51] <bekks> eph3meral: I am updating kernels very often, and I never had problems with nvidia.
[20:58] <agrester> Thanks all, have a good day
[21:00] <Johnny_Linux> ati is getting pretty good these days
[21:00] <bekks> Since when, yesterday?
[21:00] <Johnny_Linux> well, the last 4 installs they had ati, and everything went flawlessly and full blown compize rocks
[21:03] <cloneG> hello I am using ubuntu 12.04 gnome 3.4.2 gnome session fallback and I cannot edit desktop menu bars! I found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks that I need to press Alt+right mouse click before the edit menu appears but it does nothing! any idea?
[21:04] <Tex_Nick> cloneG: try SUPER+ALT+Right Click
[21:05] <Tex_Nick> SUPER = Win Key
[21:05] <cloneG> thanks! that worked!
[21:06] <Tex_Nick> ;-) you're welcome
[21:13] <LinuxGol_> ok, houston, i have a problem...  I followed this link for www permissions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1381217
[21:13] <zerick> Anybody knows something similar to Myunity for Ubuntu 13.04 ???
[21:13] <LinuxGol_> When I installed spacebukkit, ran index.php it is unable to write files in that directory
[21:13] <LinuxGol_> as the assigned user
[21:14] <OerHeks> unity-teweak-tool in 13.04
[21:14] <OerHeks> err unity-tweak-tool in 13.04
[21:16] <zerick> thx !   Will this get upgraded to 053 when the automatic unattended upgrades happen or I do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:22] <zykotick9> z0ran: reboot, or ifdown the interface.  personally, i'd suggest the reboot option to "totally" restart networking.
[21:22] <z0ran> zykotick9, thanks a lot
[21:24] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, What release are you running?
[21:26] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I am running 12.04.3 LTS -
[21:27] <alastor__> if I add a PPA for php5, does it also mean that all other php5 packages (like php5-mysql, php5-pgsql and so on) are also included in this ppa?
[21:27] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: installed at approx 1200 locations hence the desire for LTS and minimal support
[21:27] <zykotick9> BruceS: fyi, to get new kernel versions, i'd suggest dist-upgrade myself...
[21:28] <ikonia> alastor__: probably not - it depends on what the PPA maintainer has done, I strongly advise you not to use a PPA fr things like php
[21:28] <alastor__> ikonia: i should have talked to you earlier then.. too late =P
[21:28] <alastor__> thx anyway
[21:28] <zykotick9> ikonia: +1 on discouraging PPAs
[21:28] <basichash> I can't interact with my windows
[21:28] <BruceS> zykotick9: see my comments above about dist-upgrade.  When we connect manually to a system that's what we do, automatically the run the unattended version - this is why I am concerned that that new kernel will arrive
[21:29] <basichash> What's the equivalent of restart explorer.exe in Linux?
[21:29] <rostam> Hi How could I install chrome on my 12.04 LTS?  apt-get install google-chrome return error:  has no installation method.  thx
[21:29] <ikonia> basichash: it doesn't work like that, what's the issue you have
[21:29] <basichash> ikonia: I can't click on my windows/taskbar/any program
[21:29] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Cool, were you not you on last night with a kernel problem? 12.04 in the 12.04.3 is using the raring kernels, not real relevant. From the update manager kernels with upgrade from the cli it is dist-upgrade.
[21:29] <basichash> Can only alt-tab
[21:29] <zykotick9> BruceS: sorry, if you using unattended version, best of luck to you ;)  i'd call that "bad admin work" myself...
[21:29] <ikonia> basichash: that seems concerning, does the mouse actually move ?
[21:30] <basichash> yeah the mouse works ine
[21:30] <basichash> fine*
[21:30] <SwashBuckla> how do I remove a program from ubuntu? In this case it's Eclipse.
[21:30] <ikonia> basichash: does the keyboard still respond ?
[21:30] <basichash> I've got quite a lot of programs running
[21:30] <SwashBuckla> !remove
[21:30] <SwashBuckla> !uninstall
[21:30] <basichash> I'm sure a reboot would do the trick, but then I'd lose all my windows
[21:30] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: that may have been one of my collegues I suppose - since he did leave me a note that backing down to 052 had solved the hang issues
[21:30] <basichash> ikonia: yes the keyboard is working
[21:31] <ikonia> basichash: are the windows actually still active, eg: are they doing stuff in them ?
[21:31] <zykotick9> SwashBuckla: how did you install it?  you might want to see !purge for details (keep in ming, it doesn't remove files in ~)
[21:31] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, The 12.04 releases as they came out went up a kernel set 12.04.2 was the quantal set, you had to itstall that release or run a special upgrade.
[21:31] <basichash> yeah they're all running fine, I just can't interact with them (at least by mouse)
[21:32] <alastor__> i'll try a clean php re-install then. after running sudo apt-get remove php5, phpinfo() still shows stuff as if nothing has happened.. shouldn't it have been removed?
[21:32] <SwashBuckla> zykotick9: apt-get install
[21:32] <basichash> ikonia: OK it's working now. Thanks
[21:33] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I do not understand what you are saying - please explain - these systems started with a downloaded 12.4 and were upgraded over the months with the dist-upgrade and arrived where they are that way
[21:33] <zykotick9> SwashBuckla: then "sudo apt-get purge foo" will remove, with config files, whatever you installed...  have fun.
[21:34] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I also mis-type - they are running kernel 3.2.0-052 now - I previously got the 2.0 as 0,2 - oops
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Canonical, due to the long term 5 year release had instituted kernels from later releases to be on the systematic releases of 12.04 with each additional like 12.04.2 and 12.04.3.
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Ah, that was why I was curious on the actual release, looked like an earlier than 12.04 is all.
[21:36] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: yes and so the system had upgraded to 3.2.0-053 and they all started hanging - so we have stepped back to 052 and all is clean again - hence my fear that the systems will upgrade themselves
[21:37] <alastor__> after running sudo apt-get remove php5, phpinfo() still shows stuff as if nothing has happened.. and stuff under /etc/php5 is still as before. shouldn't it have been removed?
[21:37] <neol> .
[21:37] <bekks> alastor__: no. because "php5" is the CLI only, not the apache php5 module.
[21:37] <zykotick9> alastor__: if you use remove instead of purge, then config files in /etc stay...
[21:38] <alastor__> zykotick9: i've used purge too, afterwards, same results
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Sounds like you have a auto update set or was this from a update manager update?
[21:38] <alastor__> bekks: oh... that makes sense.
[21:38] <alastor__> thx
[21:38] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: so the question becomes: given that we have backed down to -052 will the "unattended-upgrade that runs daily or a manual dist-upgrade re-install -052
[21:38] <BruceS> read 053 for the aboe 052
[21:38] <zykotick9> alastor__: i'm not sure "purge" would work, after the package has been removed...
[21:38] <rostam> Hi How could I install chrome on my 12.04 LTS?  apt-get install google-chrome return error:  has no installation method.  thx
[21:39] <bekks> !chrome
[21:39] <bekks> hmmm.
[21:39] <dougiel> anyone know how to edit grub  to boot OSX installs?
[21:39] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: we do have them set to unattended-upgrade daily and if we are on one for any reason we do a dist-upgrade too
[21:39] <dougiel> grub2
[21:39] <alastor__> bekks: will directory /var/www/ get deleted if I remove apache?
[21:39] <SwashBuckla> zykotick9: when I reinstall it after purge remove, eclipse clearly has previously set configuration info such as Installed Software repos
[21:40] <SwashBuckla> zykotick9: this is a problem as I messed up my configuration. I just want to start fresh as if I'd never installed eclipse
[21:40] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, The dist-upgrade in the cli will upgrade the kernel, I assume the unattended does not.
[21:40] <bekks> alastor__: No. And removing apache willnot remove the apache php5 module.
[21:41] <alastor__> bekks: hmmm.. ok. i'll just remove everything to clean install it again. thx
[21:41] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: on a spare machine I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it seems to have not downlaoded a new kernel - at least it did not tell me it did and it is not telling me that a boot is required - any guesses why
[21:41] <zykotick9> SwashBuckla: if there is any eclipse setting in ~, then purge won't do a thing...
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, The removal of that kernel yesterday may have not gotten all the configs for it, the user did not seem to really be up on a full purge.
[21:43] <Manaatti> o
[21:43] <alastor__> what happens if we download, say a newer version of a package than what's in the official repo via a PPA, then delete the entry from sources.list and upgrade the package again? does it get downgraded to reflect the official repo?
[21:43] <bekks> alastor__: No.
[21:43] <bekks> !ppa-purge
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, That is a bit of a grey area for me as well, so I can't definitively answer is all, as far if there is any upgrade problems again if you purge. ;)
[21:43] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I am sure that he was not - neither would I be - we try to just let the OS do its stuff - his notes say that he did a dpkg purge
[21:44] <alastor__> bekks: ha.. there's a tool fo reverything. thanks for that
[21:44] <zykotick9> alastor__: TRY to avoid PPAs, if you can.
[21:45] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, I gave him this command to use to see all the kernels. dpkg -l | grep linux-image  at times I have seen more than one image on a kernel set to remove.
[21:45] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, I'm not real up on all the parameters of kernels though.
[21:45] <alastor__> zykotick9: it has worked ok for me so far... the ppa is provided by a guy from debian core team i guess.. it just messed up my stuff because i need other stuff that needs to be compiled against a specific php version then it all got weird hehe
[21:46] <bekks> alastor__: thats why you should avoid PPA.
[21:46] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: his notes say and the history shows: apt-get purge linux-image...
[21:46] <zykotick9> bekks: +1
[21:46] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: the -l shows there is only the one
[21:47] <alastor__> bekks: yeah perhaps... not the nicest of things to wait for a new ubuntu version when a new feature you really like has been added to a package.... there's always a tradeoff i guess
[21:47] <bekks> alastor__: when dealing that way with PPA, you should know how to fix things ;)
[21:48] <alastor__> bekks:  you're right.
[21:49] <DiabloBasic> hi all http://MegaStoon.Com/?share=111192
[21:49] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I also assume that whatever the issue is it will get fixed before 054 so if the system upgrades to that we are OK and if not, thanks to you we know how to go back to 052
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Cool, glad to help.
[21:53] <MikeyD> I just installed ubuntu. how do i get my mouse scroll wheel working?
[21:54] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: so any idea why the dist-upgrade I just did, did NOT bring back 053 - I am pleased that id did not as long as this does not mean that I am missing out on security updates/upgrades
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, NOt really years ago I had to purge a kernel, and had the same thing happen. I'm a armchair user really and do not follow the the intricacies a IT person might
[21:57] <Cykey> hi
[21:58] <Cykey> i'm getting all those weird locale errors https://ghostbin.com/paste/ebjym
[21:58] <Cykey> I've tried setting the locale manually & using dpkg-reconfigure but nothing seems to fix it.
[21:59] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: well thanks anyway - you really have been a big help to us and we owe you big - thank you so much
[21:59] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[22:08] <quidnunc> If I add something to cron as a regular user where in /etc does it show up?
[22:08] <bekks> quidnunc: Nowhere, because you do not have the permissions to put things into /etc/.
[22:08] <alastor__> bekks: you've told me a while back that removing apache2 doesn't remove the apache2 php module. But, if an *apache* module has apache as a dependency, shouldn't removing apache cause whatever depends upon it to be removed as well?
[22:08] <quidnunc> bekks: Where does it go?
[22:08] <bekks> quidnunc: It will show up in /var/spool/cron or something.
[22:09] <quidnunc> bekks: I upgraded my system and lost my cron jobs. Should I look there to recover them?
[22:09] <bekks> quidnunc: If you want to, look in /var
[22:14] <quidnunc> bekks: How do I restore the file? It says DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
[22:14] <bekks> quidnunc: Copy the command you want to restore, and create a new cron job "as usual".
[22:14] <quidnunc> :(
[22:15] <cjwelborn> I'd like to upgrade to Ubuntu 13, when I got my laptop 12.10 Secure Remix was the only one that would install (win8 and UEFI problems). Does anyone know if the newer versions can boot the same as 12.10 Secure-Remix?
[22:15] <soman> I need to export text from html file to txt. Does exist any tool for that?
[22:16] <bekks> soman: html2text? :)
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  best answer would be to try them and see. Ive never heard of 'secure-remix' so i imagine its not an officialy supported ubuntu release.
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> !uefi | cjwelborn
[22:16] <soman> bekks: I'll ckeck it out now
[22:16] <zykotick9> soman: the "best" html->txt i've gotten is actually using output from elinks/links2.  best of luck.
[22:17] <cjwelborn> Dr_Willis: it was recommended on the Ubuntu UEFI site at one time. It was on SourceForge or Github I think (not an offical Ubuntu Repo)
[22:17] <cjwelborn> I just don't want to ruin my install and have to start all over I guess.
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  you can do a test install to a usb flash drive if you wanted to.
[22:18] <zykotick9> cjwelborn: non-support-derivative->ubuntu might be difficult...
[22:18] <cjwelborn> Ahh.. I didn't even think of that. That's what I'll do.
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  this is why people tend ot backup their systems. :) so they can restore them
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  you definatly dont want to 'do a release upgrade' from a Non ubuntu variant to a ubuntu  release. that can cause major disasters
[22:18] <cjwelborn> gotcha. i am definitely avoiding that.
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> but from what im reading on the secuer-remixx wiki .  that variant - has minimnal chnages.. Im suporised it worked when then others dident
[22:21] <cjwelborn> I tried a lot of other distros
[22:21] <cjwelborn> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint.... Secure-Remix was the only thing that worked out of the box for some reason
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> they do have 13.04 iso files there.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> I honestly dont see how it differt from normal ubuntu - except for the addation of like 4 tools.
[22:22] <cjwelborn> awesome, last time I checked they didn't have them. if they do now, it would be a good place to start for me.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-secure/files/?source=navbar
[22:22] <cjwelborn> the boot-repair was needed. I remember that. It fixed my win8.
[22:22] <zykotick9> cjwelborn: keep in mind *buntu is really, all the same.  Mint is a derivative of ubuntu, as is Secure-Remix (which i've never even heard of)...
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> you can install boot-repair on any live cd. ;) (to ram)
[22:23] <cjwelborn> zykotick9: i know right?... thats what was bugging me. that only secure-remix worked on this machine. other people had luck with the normal versions..
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> secure remixx basially includes 'boot-repair' 'os-uninstaller'  and 'clean ubiquity' which aparently backs up the MBR.
[22:23] <OerHeks> zykotick9, secure remix is the followup of ubuntu-secure-remix.
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> and thats the ONLY changes the site mentions.
[22:24] <cjwelborn> Maybe it was just the boot-repair that saved me. after it worked I didn't do a lot of digging.
[22:24] <zykotick9> cjwelborn: be sure you are using whatever the newest version of ubuntu is...  if it still doesn't work, be a good person and file a bug (though with ubuntu, that's kinda pointless...).
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> i imagine it was boot-repair.
[22:24] <unknown101> Sup
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> hopefully someday  they will include boot-repair on the normal ubuntu cd
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> they really need that , and perhaps some other 'recovery helper' utilities.
[22:25] <cjwelborn> isn't boot-repair discontinued? i could've swore I read that on the ubuntu-dev mailing list.
[22:25] <unknown101> Ubuntu need a lot of fix..
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  not that ive heard of.
[22:25] <cjwelborn> ok
[22:25] <zykotick9> OerHeks: is ubuntu-secure-remix a supported canoncial release?  i've never heard of it either...
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> thats the thing about open sourced :) the stuff is hard to kill.  ;)
[22:26] <unknown101> Is there any possible way to update ubuntu to kubuntu without losing my apps and data?
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> zykotick9:  site says its not official. and the site says teh ONLY changes is the inclusion of those 3 apps.
[22:26] <zykotick9> unknown101: sure, install kde ;)
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  just install kubuntu-desktop and you get both on the same install.
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  you then select what desktop to use at the login screen
[22:27] <unknown101> Can anyone give me terminal commants :)
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> I have most all the main desktops on this box for testing
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:27] <unknown101> Thanks
[22:27]  * Dr_Willis thinks that command is mentioned on the kubuntu faq/homepage ;)
[22:28] <unknown101> E: I was not able to locate a file for the gtk2-engines-oxygen package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  what ubuntu rease are you using?
[22:28] <unknown101> 13.03
[22:29] <unknown101> 13.04**
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> !info gtk2-engines-oxygen
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> you dont a 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo  apt-get upgrade' recently?
[22:29] <unknown101> nope
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> there you go.
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> do those first. always do a update like once a day
[22:31] <piggazoid> having some skype issues with sound
[22:31] <mernilio> Hi all:-)
[22:31] <piggazoid> does anybody know how to fix this?
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> !skype
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> Id start athte url above piggazoid  and also check askubuntu.com to see if others have had the same issue and how they fixed them
[22:32] <unknown101> Dear dr_willis ... Teach me Master ...
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  teach you what?
[22:32] <piggazoid> it's not about installing skype but getting the sound working
[22:32] <unknown101> nothing forget it can you resend me the kubuntu terminal code
[22:33] <unknown101> please ?
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> piggazoid:  and the urls MAY have a trouble shooting guide
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  apt fundamentals... 'sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME'
[22:33] <piggazoid> k will check them out then
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  and the package name is the logical 'kubuntu-desktop' in this case
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search SOMEPATTERN           to help you find new packages
[22:34] <picklerat> sick name Murica
[22:34] <mernilio> Being a geek  you dont even like voices. The even lighted has a voice.
[22:34] <unknown101> ok so how i enable it...Excuse me i am new at Linux need to find my self around
[22:35] <quidnunc> How do I install ia32-libs-multiarch? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6103660/
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  we said easrlier.. You install the *-desktop package and the item will appear for you to select in the sessions menu list on the LOGIN screen
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[22:35] <unknown101> ok well i am relogging right now
[22:35] <unknown101> brbr
[22:35] <piggazoid> well the issue is that the sound actually works but as soon as i start a game on steam the sound stops working  on skype
[22:36] <piggazoid> kinda like it doesn't wont to share the sound channels for more than one application
[22:36] <picklerat> sick name Murica!
[22:37] <unknown101> Can't find it...
[22:37] <soman> bekks: any similar tool with supporting non-latin characters (utf-8 encoding for example)?
[22:37] <unknown101> Do need to restart the machine?
[22:37] <unknown101> Do i need**
[22:37] <fellayaboy> how can i automatically have screen session when i log into a ssh server
[22:38] <unknown101> !skype
[22:38] <mernilio> I dont know who's in dhate. Dr. Williws and  unknown101 should be banned.
[22:39] <picklerat> Murica: derp
[22:39] <Murica> picklerat: USA USA USA!!!   WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:39] <mernilio> kostkon: as a pooice officer i can detect druggis from     miles away
[22:40] <kostkon> mernilio, get serious
[22:40] <soman> bekks: I tried  iconv -f ISO_8859-1 -t UTF-8 -o 111.txt 11.txt but unfortunately text is still unreadable in text editors
[22:40] <bekks> soman: Then you chose the wrong character sets.
[22:41] <soman> bekks: hm... strange
[22:42] <mernilio> And thats wh y  im here... Put you arms arond your back. Dont resist! Otheherwose itwill be a naste cop intervettiion..
[22:42] <mernilio> Thinkor brotha Rodney!:-/
[22:43] <Myrtti> are we done here? this is a support channel. If you don't have Ubuntu support issues you need help with, or aren't helping someone, then please kindly keep it to yourself.
[22:43] <kostkon> soman, is it actually iso88591? it could be the windows 123 or even some other. many of them contain the standard ascii charset
[22:43] <unknown101> where are the downloaded packages located?
[22:44] <soman> kostkon: html2text manual tells -ascii         Use plain ASCII for output instead of ISO-8859-1 It means by default it uses iso.... html itself uses utf-8
[22:44] <IdleOne> unknown101: they are in /var/cache/apt
[22:44] <kostkon> soman, hmm
[22:44] <IdleOne> !offtopic | mernilio Murica
[22:45] <m113t> IdleOne, thanks for that!  WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:54] <IdleOne> Murica: test
[22:54] <Murica> IdleOne: USA USA USA!!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> linuxthefish, 13.10 is in development, not an official release yet.
[22:55] <linuxthefish> ah, thanks
[22:55] <unknown101> when will release?
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> 10th month
[22:56] <linuxthefish> is Open Office still the best office software?
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> 13.10=10th month backwards
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> !best | LinuxGold
[22:56] <Ari-Yang> [18:54:13] <linuxthefish> is 13.10 better? ---> well it will have kernel 3.11... dynamic power management for AMD gpus
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> linuxthefish, That was for you
[22:56] <linuxthefish> oh :(
[22:56] <LinuxGold> ?
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> LinuxGold, tab mistake.
[22:56] <LinuxGold> argh!
[22:56] <linuxthefish> !best wilee-nilee
[22:56]  * LinuxGold kicks wilee-nilee's tab
[22:57] <wilee-nilee> LinuxGold, With a reponse like that don;t bother ever asking me for help. ;)
[22:58] <unknown101> is it possible to pause downloading kubuntu interface close the machine and continue download another time?
[22:58] <IdleOne> wilee-nilee: Please join #ubuntu-ops for a moment if you have time
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> unknown101, with a torrent yes
[22:59] <TheDrums> unknown101: If your downloading client supports it.
[22:59] <unknown101> I don't use torrents....Seeding....
[22:59] <unknown101> I am downloading it from terminal (Dat face)
[22:59] <ikonia> 3~3~/last unknown101
[23:00] <TheDrums> unknown101: You should lookup wget -c
[23:00] <unknown101> cya
[23:00] <unknown101> exit
[23:02] <linuxthefish> is ubuntu a productive OS?
[23:02] <linuxthefish> Windows makes me feel lazy, and i have a PC so no OSX...
[23:03] <MikeyD> I'm having trouble getting linux headers installed in a virtualbox version of ubuntu. Anyone have a guide I can use?
[23:04] <genii> linuxthefish: I think it all depends on what you want to produce with your computer
[23:05] <TheDrums> MikeyD: Just installing linux-headers-generic isn't what you're lookin' for?
[23:06] <MikeyD> TheDrums: The install is failing. There is an option under AdditionalDrivers too, and that is failing as well. I do have an error log if it helps
[23:08] <MikeyD> TheDrums: http://pastebin.com/sJTtrxWL
[23:10] <TheDrums> MikeyD: Mhmm.  That won't build without headers, so my guess is that's the error in /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox-guest/4.1.12/build/make.log
[23:12] <skinux> Is it wise to try to use Xamarin's Windows version to develop apps while actually using Linux?
[23:13] <MikeyD> TheDrums: here is that log: http://pastebin.com/iYcU6f0v
[23:17] <Killerav10> I NEED HELP!
[23:17] <Killerav10> PLEASE
[23:17] <Killerav10> UBUNTU KILLED ME PLEASE HELP
[23:17] <Killerav10> HELP ME
[23:17] <Killerav10> PLEZ
[23:17] <Killerav10> IS ANYONE THERE
[23:17] <FloodBot1> Killerav10: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:17] <green_geeky_dude> caps caps caps
[23:17] <Killerav10> sorry
[23:18] <green_geeky_dude> ty :)
[23:18] <Killerav10> I need help thou
[23:18] <green_geeky_dude> state your problem - if someone can help they will Killerav10
[23:19] <Killerav10> I got Ubuntu and had it setup in dual boot with windows 7. After trying to update Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu it crashed and stopped working. When I went to reinstall Ubuntu, it just said it was going to delete Ubuntus old files but I beleive it rid of Windows
[23:20] <Killerav10> 7 because there is no dual boot options on startup
[23:21] <Killerav10> This obviously isnt helping :/
[23:21] <MikeyD> TheDrums: looks like I'm part of a fun bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1101867 how do i apply the fix?
[23:24] <TheDrums> MikeyD: And you saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1101867/comments/10 ?  No newer versions in repo?
[23:25] <MikeyD> Looking now...
[23:29] <noideas> Is there a way to rename a symbolic link? Or should I just remove and re-create?
[23:32] <jrib> noideas: mv (like any other file)
[23:33] <noideas> for some reason i didn't think that would work :-/ thanks
[23:33] <MikeyD> how do i delete items from HomeFolder that have delete greyed out?
[23:33] <jrib> MikeyD: pick one file and run "ls -ld /path/to/file".  Then paste the output here
[23:34] <MikeyD> root root 4096
[23:35] <jrib> MikeyD: in the future it's better to paste full output.  But since you've seen already the owner is root, that is probably your issue
[23:35] <ThePendulum> Greetings. I have a laptop running Ubuntu 12.04. For some reason, it can't connect to the WPA/WPA2 Enterprise WAPs we use at school. At home, there are 0 issues (WPA/WPA2 Personal)
[23:35] <ThePendulum> Other devices at school and Windows on that same laptop have no trouble either.
[23:37] <MikeyD> jrib: how do I delete something owned by root then?
[23:37] <jrib> MikeyD: how did you create it?
[23:38] <Obi1> Hello people
[23:38] <MikeyD> jrib: I think through terminal
[23:38] <jrib> MikeyD: perhaps with sudo?
[23:38] <jrib> !sudo | MikeyD
[23:39] <Obi1> is any way i can trace my inernet conection from what server to what server my conection is on Ubuntu 12.04
[23:39] <crocket> I constructed a ubuntuLive usb with casper-rw on an FAT32 partition.
[23:40] <crocket> When I boot on it with casper-rw, the boot time is long, and I can't shut down the machine.
[23:40] <crocket> Without casper-rw, ubuntuLive works well.
[23:40] <crocket> What the hell?
[23:42] <Obi1> for live i Use Bodhi whit enlightment is fast and light
[23:43] <mydog2> hello...
[23:43] <crocket> Obi1, Do you use persistence?
[23:43] <Obi1> no idea what hat is ?????
[23:44] <Obi1> that*
[23:45] <Obi1> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/what-is-persistent-linux/ is that what you talking about Crocket?
[23:45] <linuxthefish> what's the program for laptops with 2 graphics cards?
[23:45] <crocket> Obi1, yes
[23:45] <linuxthefish> i have Nvidia and Intel graphics...
[23:45] <Obi1> no have to use live linux a lot i use linux on my laptop and home
[23:46] <Obi1> I just what o know how to trace from my home were my conection to internet is
[23:47] <Obi1> i`m not that much computer geek
[23:47] <Obi1> I just love Linux
[23:47] <Benkinooby> hi - is it problematic to have an @ in filenames?
[23:48] <Obi1> any way i can trace my inernet conection from what server to what server
[23:49] <Benkinooby> Obi1: "from what server to what server" <- huh?!
[23:49] <Obi1> my location on Yahoo keeps changes on it is own you take a gues  why ......
[23:50] <Obi1> my internet goes from fast to slow ,to freez up
[23:51] <Obi1> i try  Htop but noting or at least i don`t understatand it that well
[23:51] <Benkinooby> Obi1: use iptraf
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> hmmm
[23:52] <Obi1> http://iptraf.seul.org/ is that would work ?
[23:53] <Benkinooby> Obi1: sudo apt-get install iptraf
[23:53] <UserError> How big is lightdm ?
[23:53] <Benkinooby> Obi1: run that ^
[23:53] <UserError> size
[23:53] <Obi1> ok
[23:53] <Benkinooby> !lightdm
[23:53] <UserError> !lightdm
[23:53] <UserError> rofl
[23:54] <UserError> It seems the bot is clueless as well ;)
[23:54] <Benkinooby> Installed-Size: 452
[23:54] <Benkinooby> UserError: apt-cache show lightdm
[23:54] <Benkinooby> Size: 99666
[23:54] <Benkinooby> guess you ned to look up the units in man page or so
[23:55] <UserError> i'm just wondering how large it is as opposed to
[23:55] <Benkinooby> UserError: to?
[23:55] <UserError> slim, openbox, whatever
[23:55] <UserError> basically
[23:56] <UserError> minus Xorg stuff
[23:56] <UserError> what is the install size
[23:56] <Benkinooby> UserError: fluxbox is not a desktop manger
[23:56] <UserError> no i mean if i had those installed
[23:56] <UserError> as an example
[23:56] <Benkinooby> Size: 1113190 Installed-Size: 3905 fluxbox
[23:57] <Benkinooby> UserError: you won't notice it's even installed next to fluxbox
[23:57] <Obi1> Benkinooby vok i did and how you work whit it?
[23:57] <Benkinooby> UserError: and fluxbox is only a window manager
[23:57] <Benkinooby> Obi1: run iptraf
[23:57] <UserError> i know this, i was stating as an example
[23:57] <UserError> if i went from one to the other
[23:57] <UserError> an example install
[23:58] <Benkinooby> UserError: startx < xdm or  slim < lightdm < kdm or gdm
[23:59] <Benkinooby> UserError: but only lightdm kdm and gdm are practically(!) usable
[23:59] <Benkinooby> UserError: you don't want to use anything "below" lightdm
[23:59] <UserError> That is what I assumed :P
[23:59] <Benkinooby> i learnt that the hard way few days ago
[23:59] <UserError> I tried to do slim and...
[23:59] <UserError> welp


[07:15] <didrocks> good morning
[08:00] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:01] <MacSlow> morning everbody
[09:53] <andyrock> hi all :)
[09:55] <andyrock> just a question: when we drag an icon launcher to change its position, the gsettings key is update during the motion...
[09:55] <andyrock> why?
[09:56] <andyrock> maybe it is better update gsettings key at the end of dragging
[10:41] <Nafai> Hey MacSlow, around?
[10:42] <MacSlow> hi Nafai
[10:42] <MacSlow> Nafai, did you get my reply on here on IRC yesterday?
[10:42] <Nafai> Yeah, sorry I didn't get a chance to reply, I had gone to sleep :)
[10:43] <Nafai> I'm basically trying to figure out how to trigger that code
[10:43] <MacSlow> Nafai, so you want to enter the key-nav of the launcher or quicklist?
[10:44] <Nafai> yeah, of the quicklist
[10:44] <MacSlow> Nafai, from where any why? Just curious
[10:47] <Nafai> Just a sec, let me push the branch I've been working on
[10:49] <MacSlow> Nafai, no need... just tell me what you're after (or trying to fix)
[11:11] <Nafai> All I'm doing is changing it in Launcher.cpp that when you press Super + Control + Number to pop up the quicklist
[11:11] <Nafai> which works
[11:11] <Nafai> but I can't use the keyboard to navigate the quicklist then
[11:14] <Nafai> https://code.launchpad.net/~nafai/unity/quicklist-shortcut <- my code
[11:22] <didrocks> Kaleo: agateau: nerochiaro: oSoMoN: so, I mirror the policy from unity to unity-2d for unify (the bug syncing tool script)? You should get quite a lot of bug spam at first
[11:24] <oSoMoN> didrocks: what does this tool do exactly?
[11:24] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I can forward you an email when I explain that extensively
[11:24] <nerochiaro> same question
[11:24] <didrocks> where*
[11:25] <oSoMoN> didrocks: that would be nice, thanks
[11:25] <nerochiaro> didrocks: please do forward it
[11:46] <Nafai> great work on unity-2d. btw. I haven't had opportunity to use it since upgrading to Natty, but it was great back on Maverick.
[11:49] <oSoMoN> Nafai: give it a try, it’s even better now ;)
[11:50] <Nafai> Yeah, I probably should.  :)
[12:13] <Nafai> I just installed unity-2d from the daily ppa.  Nice! :)
[12:28] <andyrock|launch> in Launcher.cpp what is the task of SetTimeStruct function? please :)
[12:40] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks
[12:42] <didrocks> Kaleo: just tell me once we agree with the emails I sent and I'll run the script with bug mail spam :)
[12:46] <Kaleo> didrocks: I think that's fine
[12:47] <didrocks> Kaleo: ok, will launch the first occurence today then, prepare to ignore my emails :)
[12:48] <Kaleo> didrocks: :)
[13:14] <zniavre_> good afternoon
[13:14] <coz_> zniavre_, hey guy :)
[13:14] <zniavre_> bonjour coz_
[13:15] <coz_> :)  bonjour   ca va?
[13:15] <zniavre_> @ ayatana-devs   do you integrate overlay-scrollbar with gnome3 ?
[13:15] <zniavre_> coz_,  im fine thank you
[13:17] <zniavre_> im struggling with CSS theme file to theme gnome3 it's nice to learn something new
[13:17] <coz_> zniavre_,  oh!  I noticed some gnome2 themes on gnome-look.org the other day also
[13:17] <coz_> rather gnome3 themes
[13:18] <zniavre_> im trying to do with new/next engine from canonical (called unico)
[13:19] <zniavre_> most of gnome3 theme on gnome-look are with adwaita gtk3-engine
[13:19] <coz_> zniavre_,  cool
[13:19] <coz_> zniavre_,   I havent played much with gnome3  only in fedora a bit
[13:19] <zniavre_> http://i.imgur.com/nj4bD.png
[13:20] <coz_> ah!
[13:20] <zniavre_> im trying to make my own gtk2 theme on gtk3 but looks a bit difficult  :o)
[13:21] <coz_> zniavre_,  then you are way ahead of me,, I havent even used gnome3 for longer than a hour
[13:21] <zniavre_> ho
[13:22] <zniavre_> im running oneiric inside a vbox
[13:22] <coz_> zniavre_,  oh and gnome3 is included?
[13:22] <zniavre_> it work "quite well" with classic session (no-effect)
[13:22] <zniavre_> they pushed a large amount of gnome3 apps now
[13:23] <coz_> zniavre_, interesting,, not sure I like gnome3 yet   cant use compiz
[13:23] <zniavre_> :o)
[13:23] <zniavre_> i know you love compiz (me too in fact)
[13:24] <coz_> :)
[13:24] <zniavre_> im not using a lot of plugin but i feel bad without them
[13:25] <coz_> zniavre_,  yeah , that's the main issue for me and gnome3,,
[13:25] <zniavre_> im loving wobbly windows since luminocity
[13:25] <coz_> zniavre_,  on fedora,, gnome3 was quite impressive,, but  if there is no compiz I wont use it
[13:26] <zniavre_> let me try a compiz --replace
[13:28] <zniavre_> coz_,  it works
[13:28] <coz_> zniavre_,  compiz works on gnome3?????
[13:29] <zniavre_> quite badly cause vbox thing but its launched
[13:29] <coz_> zniavre_,   ah
[13:29] <zniavre_> wobbly thing and cube are working
[13:29] <coz_> zniavre_,   that's interesting and very surprising
[13:30] <zniavre_> it crashes ... but i think it will work
[13:30] <coz_> zniavre_,  I think it is going to take more than compiz --replace for it to work well thought
[13:31] <zniavre_> yes but my hardware is not good enough with vbox and 3d
[13:31] <coz_> zniavre_,  ah ok,, yeah on vbox... mm  maybe , just maybe i will test gonme3  then :)
[13:34] <zniavre_> im a bit scared to install oneiric on my real pc
[13:34] <coz_> zniavre_,  that is a reasonable fear response :)
[14:30] <TonyP> Hi all. Unlike many who, like me, have used Ubuntu since Warty, I do like Unity, particularly its keyboard shortcuts. But the thing I do not like is the application menus in the panel.
[14:32] <TonyP> This came home to me yesterday when I was trying to configure printers and found in the Policies that the printers were not published and referred me to the Server
[14:34] <TonyP> I couldn't think what Server it referred to and had to post a question on the users mailing list.
[14:34] <Nafai> MacSlow: when you have a moment, any ideas?
[14:35] <TonyP> I got a reply that reminded me that print server settings are in the Application menu
[14:36] <TonyP> So my point is, that without the application menu 'in view' I was deprived of the 'aide memoire' it would have provided.
[14:38] <TonyP> I think application menus on the panel, or on the window, should be an option.
[14:42] <TonyP> Is this a good place to make a suggestion like this?
[14:45] <Omega> TonyP: Yep, the devs and designers keep an eye on this channel.
[14:46] <Omega> TonyP: You could also try filing a bug on lp.
[14:46] <TonyP> Great!
[14:47] <TonyP> But I'll do a bug as well - thanks
[14:50] <Omega> TonyP: If you really want to make sure they see it, or instead of the bug, you might want to post it on the ayatana mailing list
[14:52] <TonyP> Omega: need to sign up as a member to do that and I didn't want to do that.
[15:49] <didrocks> Kaleo: agateau: seems that unity-2d is crashing on oneiric only in kvm
[15:50] <agateau> didrocks: got a backtrace?
[15:50] <didrocks> agateau: checking with pitti currently (he's the one testing)
[15:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/759803 ?
[15:51] <didrocks> agateau: Kaleo: can you join #ubuntu-desktop?
[15:51] <didrocks> will be easier to be the 3rd part man :)
[17:20] <bdrung_> hi, were should be problems with the ubuntu mono font beta be discussed?
[19:39] <lucazade> bellap
[19:39] <lucazade> sorry wrong window
[20:47] <bioshox> Hey guyise


[10:05] <davef> I'm yet to find these mythical Jaffa Cake doughnuts
[10:06] <davef> Was that a short run thing?
[10:39] <zxmpi_> https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/14923123/mcvities-launches-jaffa-jonuts-a-jaffa-cake-and-doughnut/
[11:09] <davef> The Sun? Oh, please 🙄
[11:40] <zxmpi_> first link i found