[00:00] <jco> I miss options and the popup menus look nothing like the rest of the desktop...
[00:00] <jco> it's weird imho
[00:00] <wirechief-intel> jco i know you can download from distrowatch the full 8.04 with kde4 as experiemental
[00:00] <jco> wirechief-intel: I don't want kde4, I have it in a virtualbox, I just want plain 3
[00:01] <wirechief-intel> jco that bad huh.
[00:01] <jco> it seems just konsole is affected, maybe I'll try a re-login
[00:01] <jco> brb
[00:02]  * BluesKaj still wonders if there will be a kde 3.6.0 or are wegonna be burdened with widgets and witches brews in kde4 , if we want to "upgrde" :/
[00:04] <jco> re, same thing
[00:04] <wirechief> jereme: now have fglrx ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          2:8.476-0ubuntu1
[00:05] <IppatsuMan> jco: KDE3 version of konsole is in installed in /usr/bin , konsole for KDE4 is installed in /usr/lib/kde4/bin : so check your PATH environment variable to see which one will be started
[00:06] <jereme> wirechief, you'll need the kernel driver too
[00:06] <jco> IppatsuMan: thanks, I'm a bit stupid, it's 1 am and a bit tired too
[00:06] <jereme> which is supposed to come with the restricted kernel modules package
[00:06] <jereme> but I certainly couldn't find it
[00:06] <jco> IppatsuMan: I was launching konsole with a key shortcut configured from the menu
[00:06] <wirechief> jereme: ii  fglrx-kernel-2.6.24-16-generic             2:8.476-0ubuntu1+2.6.24-16.30 ATI binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.24-16
[00:06] <Desmond> hey
[00:06] <Desmond> i have le question
[00:07] <jco> IppatsuMan: runnin it from shell, (the /usr/bin/ one) runs the 3 version
[00:07] <Desmond> how alike are kubuntu and linux mint kde?
[00:07] <jco> thanx all for your patience
[00:07] <jmichaelx> several weeks ago i upgraded from gutsy to hardy. in gutsy, i had kde4 installed... but i do not think that the kde4 packages were upgraded during the dist-upgrade process. any suggestions?
[00:08] <Desmond> sudo aptitude update>
[00:08] <IppatsuMan> jco: the change progress from KDE3 to KDE4 is bringing all kind of weird things, so it's easy to be confused, don't worry ^_^
[00:08] <Desmond> ?
[00:08] <wirechief-intel> kano the script works fine in 8.04 and now it has fglrx
[00:09] <jco> IppatsuMan: that's normal, what I found not so normal is to name the libs shifted by 1, lol
[00:09] <hoggie> Hey
[00:11] <hoggie> i need some help here, with kubuntu Hardy, i got an external lcd screen and i dont find a way to configure it to work on it and not on my laptops
[00:11] <hoggie> screen...
[00:11] <jco> ok, thanks all again, take care
[00:12] <jereme> weird, if I reduce my color depth to 16, kdm can't start... I get an 80x25 screen full of garble
[00:12] <jereme> it looks like a C64 crapped itself
[00:12] <Walzmyn> anybody know why virtualbox-guest-modules package is not in 8.04 repos?
[00:21] <nbf7777> #amarok
[00:21] <Walzmyn> anybody know why virtualbox-guest-modules package is not in 8.04 repos?
[00:21] <Kiruwa2> hmm... hardy-kde4 doesn't appear to be saving my mouse-acceleration setting
[00:22] <Walzmyn> there's lots o' stuff not finished in KDE4
[00:23] <Kiruwa2> I realize that... but not saving system settings is something that may have an easy fix (thus the comment :)
[00:23] <jereme> crappity crap..   Someone in #kubuntu-kde4 may know
[00:25] <Synergy_Peace> How does one enable pulse audio in Hardy?
[00:26] <Walzmyn> genii, know what?
[00:26] <genii> Walzmyn: ?
[00:27] <Walzmyn> genii, you said someone in #kubuntu-kde4 might konw - they might know what?
[00:27] <genii> Walzmyn: My comment was in response to your query of: "anybody know why virtualbox-guest-modules packge is not in 8.04 repos?"
 NOW if i try to open the application that ISNT running, it WONT open ???? what do i do
[00:27] <Walzmyn> genii, oh, sorry - I didn't follow - Thank you.
[00:28] <genii> Walzmyn: np
[00:28] <jereme> compiz ate my baby!
[00:29] <genii> jereme: Hopefully it gets indigestion ;)
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> its ok.... enough computers running compiz have been licked by babies case they are so sweet :)
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> itsjust getting even
[00:30] <Jimmy1> can any1 help    ?
[00:31] <genii> Jimmy1: Remove both their rc setting from /home/yourname/.kde/share/config
[00:31] <genii> Substitute "yourname" accordingly
[00:32] <jereme> hrm... can I adjust my color depth from within KDE?
[00:33] <Jimmy1> i can get to home/jim/ but then there is no .kde/share/config
[00:34] <genii> Jimmy1: It's normally not visible since starts with a .    If you type the path past the .kde it will find it
[00:35] <Jimmy1> sorry im a bit of a noob ! how do i do that
[00:37] <nbf7777> evening ladies and gents
[00:37] <nbf7777> anyone has issues with the cube n kubuntu?
[00:37] <genii> Jimmy1: Open Konqueror, put into the URL bar there: ~/.kde/share/config                and you should see the rc files I speak of
[00:37] <nbf7777> i can get it to work fine in Ubuntu but it kubuntu it seems a pain
[00:37] <genii> Jimmy1: Delete the ones belonging to ktorrent and knetworkmanager
[00:38] <genii> Jimmy1: You will need to logout and back in to take effect
[00:42] <Jimmy1> ok i have deleted the ones that say *.rc
[00:43] <Jimmy1> Ktorrent and knetwork
[00:43] <genii> Jimmy1: OK, after logout/logon you may need to start knetworkmanager
[00:43] <Jimmy1> so this should work when i vtrl + alt backspace yeh  ?
[00:43] <genii> Jimmy1: to do this, alt-f2 then type in the name
[00:43] <Fuzzybunn> hey everyone I just installed Kubuntu HH with KDE 4 and I installed the Virtualbox Guest additions and after I rebooted I have lost my startmenu and every panel except for the widget thing
[00:43] <Jimmy1> ok
[00:43] <Jimmy1> brb
[00:43] <Fuzzybunn> and I also cannot installed any packages using apt-get or the GUI interface
[00:43] <genii> Jimmy1: No, that only restarts the X server, the kde cache will be unaffected. You need actual logout/logon
[00:44] <genii> bah. So impatient
[00:45] <Jimmmy11> ahh it worked
[00:46] <Jimmmy11> :)
[00:46] <Jimmmy11> thanks for that mate
[00:46] <genii> Jimmmy11: np. Although you should have done actual logoff to clear the cache for the kde
[00:46] <anon23> hi
[00:46] <Jimmmy11> okie
[00:46] <Jimmmy11> thanks again cyas
[00:46] <anon23> if I have Ubuntu, and want to replace it with Kubuntu, do I do "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop", then "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" ? Or will remove the ubuntu desktop cause me problems?
[00:47] <antoine_> dude ubuntu/kubuntu it's just gnome/kde
[00:47] <antoine_> you can intall both deskop manager
[00:47] <anon23> I know that
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> !purekde
[00:48] <genii> anon23: You should do the kubuntu-desktop install first then the ubuntu-desktop removal
[00:48] <anon23> but last time I did that Kubuntu was full of Ubuntu apps in the menu, kind of polluting. I'm never going to use most Ubuntu apps again (hence me moving away)
[00:48] <anon23> thanbks for the link nos
[00:48] <anon23> It's not just about shortcuts, I don't like to keep files I don't need lying around :)
[00:49] <antoine_> well i see
[00:49] <antoine_> guess i misunderstood :p
[00:50] <t3hwiz0rd> is anyone here familiar with qdvdauthor?
[00:50] <fine> i'm not =) sorry
[00:50] <fine> i don't even know what it is
[00:51] <anon23> !KDE4
[00:51] <jereme> god grant me the serentity to not smash my ATI card into tiny pieces
[00:51] <fine> ati is bad for your health :(
[00:52] <jereme> dude, I've shaved like 5 years off of my life just today
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> jereme: whats rong?
[00:52] <genii> And the wisdom to know when is right time to do it.
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[00:52] <wirechief-intel> jereme: it works fine now.
[00:52] <anon23> will Kubuntu 8.04 have an official KDE4 update later on? I know I can install it no problem, but is it considered a Kubuntu-supported app?
[00:52] <anon23> is it = will it
[00:52] <jereme> nosrednaekim: trying to get compiz working on dual head fglrx is painful
[00:52] <jereme> wirechief-intel: excellent!
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> it is official right now....
[00:52] <fine> the biggest problem atm is that all aps are not supported
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> jereme: heh... ok, I feel your pain
[00:53] <fine> jereme: hang on :)
[00:53] <anon23> jereme: that's ATI for you. I learned my lesson when I bought a new computer, went Nvidia. Everything worked straight from install, including Compiz.
[00:53] <anon23> fine: but since it's a 3-year release, would we have supported KDE apps in 1 year or 2 years?
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> anon23: its offically community supported... and you can install it with "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[00:53] <anon23> KDE4, obviously
[00:53] <fine> yeah of course anon23
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> !khardy | anon23
[00:53] <anon23> cool
[00:53] <fine> just a matter of time
[00:54] <Fuzzybunn> does anyone know what the kde taskbar is called
[00:54] <Fuzzybunn> ?
[00:54] <jereme> is it still kicker?
[00:54] <Kiruwa2> Fuzzybunn: kde3 or 4?
[00:54] <t3hwiz0rd> so no one here has ever used qdvdauthor
[00:54] <fine> like a Podbot would say : i'm off for cigarette break
[00:54] <Daisuke_Ido> Fuzzybunn: kicker
[00:54] <Kiruwa2> 3 is kicker
[00:54] <Fuzzybunn> well in 4
[00:54] <jereme> 4 is plasma?
[00:54] <Fuzzybunn> the black bar at the bottom
[00:54]  * jereme shrugs
[00:54] <Kiruwa2> Actually... I think the one in 4.0 is also kicker... could be wrong about that
[00:54] <jereme> ah
[00:55] <Kiruwa2> But in 4.1 we should get the new one
[00:55] <Daisuke_Ido> 4 is popularly known as "ohnowwhattheheckisthatfrigginthingsupposedtobe?"
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> the plasma panel
[00:55] <genii> Who names the bot? Is the extra t neccesary now?
[00:55] <Fuzzybunn> hmmm im not sure how to launch it
[00:55] <Fuzzybunn> I installed Kubuntu with KDE 4 and I installed one thing rebooted and I lost everything on my desktop
[00:55] <fine> ?
[00:55] <Fuzzybunn> all it has is the background image and the widget thing
[00:56] <fine> what do you mean "one thing"?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> Fuzzybunn: it disappeared? ok run "killall plasma && rm .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc && plasma"
[00:56] <jereme> fine: Vista :)
[00:56] <Fuzzybunn> well im running Kubuntu in a virtual machine
[00:56] <fine> ouch jereme :p
[00:56] <Fuzzybunn> its called Virtualbox and it has some guest addition tools that you install
[00:56] <jereme> "all I did was install a glass of water and it broke!"
[00:56] <Fuzzybunn> and I installed that and then rebooted and it mseed everything up
[01:00] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn i dont think Vbox will like the graphics for kde4 it just has a generic graphic driver.
[01:00] <Fuzzybunn> oh
[01:01] <Fuzzybunn> well it seems to be fine
[01:01] <Fuzzybunn> i havent done much
[01:01] <Fuzzybunn> like i havent played any games or anything like that
[01:01] <Fuzzybunn> im just trying to learn Kubuntu
[01:01] <Fuzzybunn> but it seems like no matter what i install it on I run into a massive amount of problems
[01:01] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: well it doesnt do gaming or graphic stuff very well.
[01:02] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: so do those who do a norma install ;)
[01:02] <Fuzzybunn> yeah i know
[01:02] <Fuzzybunn> thats why im running it in a virtual machine
[01:02] <wsjunior> hi guys, i decided to move to gnome and installed ubuntu-desktop metapackage inside a kubuntu 8.04 default installation, now how could i remove all kde related packages at once?
[01:02] <Fuzzybunn> I installed in on my laptop on the hd and it wouldnt detect any of the hardware after I did a adept update
[01:02] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: i had to do some special tricks to get fglrx installed.
[01:03] <Fuzzybunn> oh
[01:03] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: i hope you are not dualbooting with older distros
[01:03] <Fuzzybunn> well i dont know that much about linux so i probably couldnt do those same tricks
[01:03] <Fuzzybunn> ummm that was a while ago
[01:03] <wsjunior> is there any way to remove all kde related packages at once?
[01:03] <Fuzzybunn> I was using wubi or something
[01:03] <Fuzzybunn> so it wasnt that old
[01:04] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: well its basically a work in progress for all of us.
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> !puregnome
[01:04] <wsjunior> thanks
[01:04] <wsjunior> is this link broken?
[01:05] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/207001
[01:05] <rockets> how stable is the 8.04 KDE4 remix?
[01:05] <wsjunior> 0%
[01:05] <jereme> haha
[01:05] <wsjunior> terribly
[01:05] <rockets> wsjunior, 0% stable?
[01:05] <wsjunior> i hated it
[01:05] <jereme> now there's an exaggeration
[01:05] <wsjunior> maybe
[01:05] <rockets> mm. gnome it is then.
[01:06] <wirechief-intel> Fuzzybunn: well the bot has not decided but for me it is real.
[01:06] <jereme> I don't think it's all stability issues
[01:06] <jereme> it's a lack of application support
[01:06] <Walzmyn> i'm bout to DL virtualbox from their website theyv'e got X86 and AMD - i've got a 64bit intel processor - which should I get?
[01:06] <wsjunior> its a premature released software i think the shouldnt have realeased it yet
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: do you have x86 or amd64 ubuntu installed?
[01:07] <Walzmyn> amd64
[01:07] <jereme> wsjunior: that's why it's optional and not the suggested release of kubuntu
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: then get amd
[01:07] <jereme> kde 3 is great on Hardy
[01:07] <jereme> hell it was great on Feisty
[01:07] <Walzmyn> that's confusing, why don't they stick "64" on that.
[01:07] <Walzmyn> ?
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: dunno :)
[01:08] <Walzmyn> nosrednaekim, thank you for all the help.
[01:08] <Walzmyn> i'ma eat some supper now.
[01:09]  * Walzmyn waves
[01:14] <jereme> have a good weekend all
[01:27] <wirechief> !alsa
[01:37] <Frederick> folks is kde4 usable now or still ubberly broken? :P
[01:37] <dick-richardson> Frederick: I'm using it daily
[01:37] <guga> !uograde
[01:37] <Frederick> dick-richardson: dick-richardson is it functional?
[01:37] <guga> !upgrading
[01:37] <dick-richardson> it has flaws, but isn't bad
[01:38] <dick-richardson> feels gnomish to me...looking forward to the kde customizability I'd gotten used to
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> its perfectly stable for me
[01:39] <dick-richardson> ok, so not entirely gnomish ;)
[01:39] <dick-richardson> very stable here, as well
[01:40] <ejupin> Frederick: I use it daily also, very stable now
[01:40] <dick-richardson> I have a shell script and in it I want to change the first argument passed...anyone familiar with how to do that?
[01:40] <dick-richardson> 1=desiredtext doesn't work
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> change it?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> oh... not very familiar with bash
[01:42] <Walzmyn> ok, i've now got sun's virtualbox running - how do i get to the guest additions option?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: it should be up there!
[01:43] <Walzmyn> nevermind, just found it
[01:44] <Walzmyn> I was looking on the manager window not the guest window
[01:51] <cahuez> aroaroux..
[02:05] <consfearacy> GNOME or KDE? which is better?
[02:05] <KittenOfWar> consfearacy: try both, it's your call
[02:05] <consfearacy> ok
[02:05] <KittenOfWar> KDE is more configurable IMO
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> it is... for sure... its whether you like it more configurable
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:10] <KittenOfWar> Can someone help with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9647/     Also, when I open adept I get this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9649/
[02:11] <consfearacy> KittenOfWar, you are a girl
[02:12] <consfearacy> a girl on the internets?!
[02:14] <Taladan__> KittenOfWar: looks like your sources.list got munged when you edited it.  Did you happen to make a backup of it before you edited it?
[02:15] <KittenOfWar> Taladan: I've even cleared it, adept still wont open, and no
[02:15] <Taladan> "cleared it" ?
[02:16] <KittenOfWar> yea, made it empty
[02:16] <Taladan> oof
[02:16] <Taladan> yeah, that would be a problem
[02:16] <KittenOfWar> commented out everything, loaded one from my PC
[02:16] <KittenOfWar> nothing seems to fix it
[02:17] <Taladan> You should probably see if you can dl the original sources.list from the net and put it in /etc/apt/
[02:17] <Taladan> That would be the first step towards fixing your problem
[02:20] <Hawkeye-X> hello
[02:20] <Hawkeye-X> does anyone here use spamassassin?
[02:21] <Taladan> I have in the past, Hawkeye-X
[02:22] <KittenOfWar> Taladan: same thing
[02:22] <Taladan> But I'm not overly knowledgeable about it other than piping mail from a client through it
[02:22] <KittenOfWar> Err http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[02:22] <KittenOfWar>   Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[02:23] <marcelinozxb> hola
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix | kittenofwar
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !adeptfix
[02:24] <KittenOfWar> Daisuke_Ido: didn't help
[02:25] <KittenOfWar> about 5 of these for different files: W: Failed to fetch http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[02:25] <KittenOfWar> where are these files downloaded?
[02:25] <Taladan> doesn't sound like the lockfile is incorrectly accessed, sounds like she's got a corrupted update somehow
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, looks like it
[02:27] <genii> Actually it looks like bzip2 isn't able to extract
[02:27] <Taladan> KittenOfWar: do this -
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> bash: -: command not found
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[02:28] <genii> KittenOfWar: Do you actually have bzip2 installed?
[02:28] <Taladan> KittenOfWar: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak
[02:28] <KittenOfWar> yes
[02:28] <Taladan> KittenOfWar: then
[02:28] <Taladan> KittenOfWar: sudo vi /etc/apt/source.list
[02:28] <Taladan> then type this exactly:
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> vi vi vi *grumbles*
[02:28] <Taladan> :%s/http:/ftp:/g
[02:28] <Taladan> Then type exactly:
[02:28] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I empathise
[02:28] <Taladan> :wq
[02:29] <Taladan> Then type - sudo apt-get update
[02:29] <KittenOfWar> battern not found?
[02:29] <KittenOfWar> pattern*
[02:29] <Taladan> ...
[02:29]  * genii sips some coffee
[02:29] <KittenOfWar> nice, it all crashed
[02:30] <Daisuke_Ido> here's an easier way to start - pastebin your sources.list?
[02:30] <Taladan> Daisuke_Ido is right
[02:30] <KittenOfWar> what's the program ubuntu uses to default the sources.lst?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> KittenOfWar: adept manager -> adept -> manage repositories
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think you can regenerate a sources.list (however, that wouldn't be a bad idea to include - a script that just recreates a default sources.list
[02:31] <KittenOfWar> Adept won't open
[02:31] <KittenOfWar> what does gnome use?
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> synaptic
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> but it will probably be the same issue
[02:31] <KittenOfWar> synapic just gives a check/uncheck option
[02:32] <KittenOfWar> snyaptic works fine.
[02:32] <Taladan> ubuntu has a way to auto-fix it, but here KittenOfWar
[02:32] <Taladan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=739119
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> then it's adept...  oh how i hate adept...
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> one of the many little things that pushed me away from kde
[02:33] <Taladan> !sources.list
[02:34] <juana> can anyone here help me
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> !ask | juana
[02:34] <KittenOfWa1> pidgin died
[02:34] <juana> Ok I was trying to install btnx so I could use my side buttons on my mouse and I uninstalled libgtk2.0-0 somehow. So then I reinstalled it but when I rebooted my computer I go strait to the command line instead of my login screen and when i typed firefox this came up GTK- WARNING**: cannot open display. Can anyone help me restore my computer to how it was before when I could use the log in...
[02:34] <juana> ...screen. Or help me fix my problem.
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> juana: for GTK programs... go to #ubuntu
[02:35] <Taladan> sorry juana, not a gtk user, for the most part :(
[02:36] <juana> well does kubuntu use it because i install from a kubuntu disk
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> juana: unless you use gdm, gtk should not affect your logging in
[02:37] <juana> I dont know I install with KDE4
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> juana: did you boot recovery mode?
[02:39] <juana> how do i do that
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> on the boot menu... I was just wondering if you did
[02:40] <juana> n i did not let me go try
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> no no... thats ok
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> its not going to do you any good
[02:40] <yoyoma> is it a common thing to lose your sound after upgrading to 8.04?
[02:41] <cahuez> no, it isn't yoyoma..
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> yoyoma: you upgrade your kernel.. so things thay may have been previously working a certain way may not afterwards.... so yes :)
[02:41] <yoyoma> nosrednaekim: can i .... redetect and configure audio?  some dpkg command?
[02:41] <cahuez> mm, just give a try at...
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> !sound
[02:42] <cahuez> nope, just go to k/system config and..
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> later guys...
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> juana: try running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and then rebooting
[02:42] <juana> I tried already same thing
[02:42] <cahuez> sound system and o a "sound test" first..
[02:43] <cahuez> you will hear a fast musik sound..
[02:43] <yoyoma> it's enabled... and sound test didn't make any noise
[02:44] <cahuez> ok then, click at hw tab and..
[02:44] <cahuez> tell us what is the config at "select audio device"...
[02:44] <yoyoma> auto detect
[02:44] <juana> so does anyone know anything that can help
[02:45] <Taladan> well
[02:45] <cahuez> cool then select "advanced linux sound architecture"...
[02:46] <yoyoma> done
[02:46] <cahuez> ok, then try at the general tab the sound test..
[02:46] <Taladan> juana you could try moving ~/.gnome and/or ~/.kde to ~/.gnome.bak and ~/.kde.bak and rebooting
[02:47] <yoyoma> still nothing.  weird
[02:48] <Taladan> that's kind of a hack-ish fix, but it might work
[02:48] <cahuez> ok then try selectin the "open sound system" instead..
[02:48] <juana> how do i do that
[02:48] <yoyoma> still nothing
[02:48] <Taladan> juana - mv ~/.gnome ~/.gnome.bak
[02:48] <juana> can you tell me how to do that from the konsole
[02:48] <Taladan> juana - mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak
[02:48] <juana> ok let me try
[02:49] <Taladan> Um...if konsole is running....
[02:49] <cahuez> mm, and yoyoma, what is your sound card, brand, etc..!?
[02:50] <yoyoma> integrated on motherboard
[02:50] <cahuez> is it a sound blaster one..!?
[02:50] <yoyoma> hang on...
[02:50] <genii> lspci | grep Audio      usually tells you
[02:51] <cahuez> take a look with> lspci -v ..
[02:51] <cahuez> yeap..
[02:51] <Taladan> if it's integrated on the mb it's probaby AC97
[02:51] <genii> or Intel ICH HDA
[02:52] <yoyoma> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[02:52]  * Taladan nods
[02:52] <Taladan> Yep, good call genii
[02:52] <genii> !intelhda | yoyoma
[02:53] <genii> Taladan: All of my boxes seem to come with them :)
[02:53] <yoyoma> i'll have to try that out
[02:53] <Taladan> genii - really?  Odd...I see a /bunch/ of the integrated ac97's...must just be my area
[02:53] <yoyoma> does it seem reasonable that it worked great before i upgraded to hardy?
[02:53] <cahuez> cool yoyoma and, are you dualbooting your pc, i.e, with windows..!?
[02:53] <cahuez> yeap..
[02:54] <yoyoma> i used to
[02:54] <yoyoma> with this HDD it's all linux though
[02:54] <cahuez> ok then, if you are not dualbooting then..
[02:55] <cahuez> take a look here to this link> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu ..
[02:55] <cahuez> there is a way to config the repositories which can point to medibuntu resources..
[02:56] <yoyoma> are these proprietary drivers or something?
[02:56] <cahuez> yeap, there are contained some proprietary and free ones..
[02:56] <VousDeux> !sound
[02:57] <juana> ok im back and still with the same problem what i did notice when i rebooted is that it said kdm-kde4 was not running so after the reboot i tried to run it but it said it was not installed so after i tried installing it it said it depended on kdebase-bin and kdebase-data which are already at the latest versions
[02:58] <yoyoma> cahuez: ok, i've got those apt sources added.  is there some driver package i can download to make sound work now?
[03:00] <Taladan> juana - then I'm not sure....I'm not running kde4 so I haven't any experience with this type of issue
[03:01] <cahuez> yeap yoyoma, let me check mine...
[03:01] <juana> do you know if there is another channel that could be able to help me
[03:01] <yoyoma> kubuntu-kde4
[03:01] <Taladan> yeah, probably them
[03:01] <Spazo> hi guys im new to this kubuntu so far its awesome my only prob is it wont keep my resolution at 1280 x 1024 every restart drops it back to 1024x768 and ideas on what i need to do
[03:02] <Spazo> in nvidia x server i try save config then says error
[03:02] <SauRjk> heloo can anyone help???
[03:03] <cahuez> yoyoma, all is ok, just give another try then..
[03:03] <yoyoma> still nothing
[03:03] <SauRjk> does anyone have a solution i face in kopete
[03:03] <SauRjk> i am online but frends see me as offline
[03:04] <SauRjk> what is the problem there
[03:04] <trident523> SauRjk: What service are you using?
[03:04] <SauRjk> service??
[03:04] <SauRjk> msn
[03:04] <juana> thank guys hopefully someone will be able to help my
[03:04] <SauRjk> trident523 msn
[03:05] <SauRjk> i think i hav to restart
[03:05] <trident523> ... ugh. why use MSN at all?
[03:06] <cahuez> ok then yoyoma, do as root: dmesg > yoyo..
[03:06] <cahuez> then vi/nano yoyo and search for hw errors...
[03:06] <Hawkeye-X> does anyone here use spamassassin?
[03:07] <yoyoma> pastebin it?
[03:07] <yoyoma> dmesg output:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9659/
[03:07] <cahuez> nope, first check for hw related error/log messages..
[03:08] <yoyoma> ok
[03:08] <potty> is 320MB ram enough for kubuntu?
[03:09] <sebsebseb> should be
[03:09] <sebsebseb> enough yeah
[03:09] <cahuez> checking...
[03:10] <cahuez> yoyoma, all looks ok and for this time, try to reboot the pc..!
[03:11] <yoyoma> ok
[03:11] <yoyoma> going
[03:11] <cahuez> sure..
[03:12] <cahuez> aroaroux..
[03:12] <SauRjk> ok i neet help
[03:12] <SauRjk> nee
[03:12] <SauRjk> need
[03:13] <SauRjk> can anyone help
[03:13] <SauRjk> i keep my status online
[03:13] <SauRjk> but most of my frends see me as offline
[03:13] <SauRjk> in kopete or pidgin when i am usin the msn service
[03:14] <yoyoma> nothin
[03:14] <SauRjk> anyone there??
[03:14] <yoyoma> oh gush
[03:14] <yoyoma> gosh
[03:15] <yoyoma> got it..... i opened alsa mixer
[03:15] <yoyoma> the channels were muted by default
[03:15] <yoyoma> what's uip with that?
[03:15] <cahuez> huhh yoyoma..!?
[03:15] <yoyoma> i googled "no sound after 8.04 upgrade"
[03:15] <cahuez> then place the right volumes and try again..
[03:16] <yoyoma> one guy said open alsamixer, check the channels for mute, and unmute
[03:16] <yoyoma> that was it
[03:16] <yoyoma> i guess that's happened to a few people
[03:16] <SauRjk> anyone have any idea of kopete
[03:17] <cahuez> cool, so do you have plenty of sound right now yoyoma..!?
[03:17] <yoyoma> yeah
[03:17] <yoyoma> i almost fell out of my chair
[03:17] <cahuez> hehehe, excellent..!
[03:17] <cahuez> let's rock..
[03:18] <yoyoma> here's one post about it:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765443
[03:18] <yoyoma> i guess it was macs, not acer in this care
[03:18] <yoyoma> case
[03:18] <cahuez> kopete, yeap, tell me...
[03:18] <SauRjk> i keep my status online
[03:18] <cahuez> and what is your favourite musik player..
[03:18] <yoyoma> allrighty, thanks for the help
[03:18] <SauRjk> most of my frens see me ass offline
[03:18] <yoyoma> adios
[03:19] <cahuez> you are welcome, ciao..!
[03:19] <SauRjk> cahuez: i keep my status as online.. however most of my frens see me offline
[03:19] <altctrl> hi guys anybody can help with wireless connection problems?
[03:19] <SauRjk> cahuez: using kopete or pidgin same happend
[03:19] <SauRjk> happens
[03:19] <potty> is interprid going to be based on kde4?
[03:20] <cahuez> so yoyoma, go and celebrate with> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR4YH1N04pc ..
[03:20] <julio_> hi everybody, can anyone help me with pidgin? :S
[03:20] <juana> no one helped me at the kde4 channel
[03:20] <cahuez> humm sau but..
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> potty: most likely
[03:20] <SauRjk> cahuez: but most of my frens see me ass ofline
[03:20] <potty> lets see gnome release 3.0
[03:20] <cahuez> hehehe..
[03:20] <SauRjk> as
[03:21] <cahuez> but try with right clicking over the kopete icon and be "busy" as example...
[03:21] <altctrl>  what my problem is that i had this knetwork manager working just fine but it droped once and now when its trying to connect it only goes to 28% and no more
[03:21] <SauRjk> i do that
[03:21] <SauRjk> i keep online, busy evrythin
[03:21] <altctrl> anyone know how to fix it?
[03:21] <potty> its probably to complex against there simplicity philosophy.
[03:21] <SauRjk> but they still see me ass offline
[03:21] <rhyme> altctrl: do you have encryption on your network
[03:22] <altctrl> yes wap
[03:22] <altctrl> and i di dnot change it
[03:22] <cahuez> it should work..
[03:22] <SauRjk> did not
[03:22] <juana> so can anyone here help me solve my problem
[03:22] <cahuez> checking...
[03:22] <SauRjk> huh??
[03:23] <altctrl> any idea what to do? now i am plugged it with a cable...
[03:23] <rhyme> altctrl: are you using kwallet to store passwords and stuff
[03:23] <cahuez> checking kopete config...
[03:23] <altctrl> i tried to connect like 20 times
[03:23] <altctrl> yes kwallet
[03:23] <SauRjk> where
[03:23] <rhyme> hmm
[03:23] <SauRjk> i hav done almost everyythin
[03:23] <cahuez> hold....
[03:23] <SauRjk> oki
[03:23] <Hawkeye-X> so anyone here use spamassassin and can help me with the setup?
[03:23] <rhyme> can you try with another computer or OS to verify that the problem is with kubuntu
[03:23] <cahuez> kopete/preferences...
[03:24] <SauRjk> yup
[03:24] <SauRjk> preferences??
[03:24] <SauRjk> configure or preferences??
[03:24] <altctrl> not really my other computer is connected with cable
[03:24] <altctrl> and it works here from my laptop anyway
[03:25] <altctrl> the cable i mean works
[03:25] <altctrl> but i do not have any other computer with wireless
[03:25] <mrunagi> is lts the kde 3 version?
[03:26] <cahuez> hey sau, if the config is fine, then try to restart kopete please...
[03:26] <dbglt> hi guys, since updating kernel version with the upgrade, it appears as if DMA is enabled (disk throughput is quite bad). I can't enable it with hdparm. Any help? :\
[03:26] <SauRjk> done that so many times
[03:26] <rhyme> the problem could be with your router
[03:26] <rhyme> hard to say
[03:26] <altctrl> i can restart...
[03:26] <SauRjk> jus cant see wat the problem is
[03:26] <altctrl> i give it a try then back in a mnute or two
[03:26] <SauRjk> others hav the same config
[03:26] <rhyme> won't you lose your WEP code and stuff if you restart...
[03:27] <SauRjk> i can see them online
[03:27] <altctrl> its not wep
[03:27] <rhyme> OK...
[03:27] <altctrl> wap but i never lose it when i restart it
[03:27] <cahuez> humm, if you change your status, there should be a light blue rectangle at kopete icon..
[03:27] <altctrl> be back soon
[03:27] <rhyme> OK
[03:27] <SauRjk> yea i kno
[03:27] <SauRjk> even if i keep them on anythin
[03:27] <SauRjk> frens on msn see me as offline
[03:28] <Desmond> !apt
[03:28] <SauRjk> had this problem with gutsy and now with hardy too
[03:29] <cahuez> humm, that's not usual..
[03:29] <jonee> hey guys! can anyone lead me to the directions on how i would be able to make my wireless card work? it uses ipw2200 i believe
[03:29] <Taladan> !wireless
[03:30] <jonee> thanks taladan that should be a start
[03:30] <SauRjk> yea i kno cahuez
[03:30]  * Taladan nods
[03:30] <SauRjk> am fed up actually
[03:31] <altctrl_> i am back
[03:31] <cahuez> humm, checking...
[03:31] <SauRjk> yea
[03:32] <altctrl_> from wireless:) thanks rhyme
[03:32] <cahuez> my kopete is version 0.12.7 with KDE 3.5.9 with kubuntu 8.04...
[03:32] <rhyme> no problem :)
[03:32] <Desmond> hey does anyone here have netgear wg311t
[03:32] <Desmond> ?
[03:32] <rhyme> hey altctrl, i got a weird router that sometimes just chooses not to work :)
[03:32] <SauRjk> i use the one of kde 3 also
[03:33] <rhyme> i know how it is
[03:33] <altctrl_> yeah
[03:33] <altctrl_> good night yall
[03:33] <rhyme> night
[03:33] <SauRjk> ok i lost the menu bar in kopete
[03:33] <SauRjk> how to bring it back
[03:33] <cahuez> humm, try another statuses just to test..
[03:34] <cahuez> do a > ctrl + M ..
[03:34] <rhyme> saurjk i believe KDE has a hotkey for this in a lot of apps
[03:34] <rhyme> yeah ctrl m
[03:34] <SauRjk> yea i saw that
[03:34] <cahuez> aroaroux..!
[03:34] <SauRjk> i hav tried a lot of statuses
[03:35] <Jsn0327> has anyone found a cure for the domain not found sudo bug of kbuntu after upgradeing to 8.04?
[03:36] <SauRjk> no am still offline
[03:36] <SauRjk> my fren says so
[03:36] <rhyme> anyone have experience with installing the official nvidia driver? should I go with the download package from nvidia.com or try to apt-get it somehow?
[03:37] <SauRjk> cahuez: i still am offline actually
[03:37] <cahuez> give a try first to the non-free stuff first..
[03:37] <chemisus> whats the name of the program that installs drivers for devices? it usually pops up for me after fresh install
[03:37] <cahuez> humm..!
[03:37] <SauRjk> cahuez: my fren says so
[03:38] <cahuez> sau, just check point by point the config stuff just to be sure if all is in place..
[03:38] <cahuez> that is not usual as is..
[03:38] <SauRjk> all like
[03:38] <SauRjk> i have kept all the deafault configs actually
[03:40] <SauRjk> guess evrythin is alrite
[03:41] <cahuez> i see and the unstatus is not usual sau..1
[03:41] <SauRjk> i know that...all my frends kopete works jus fine
[03:41] <Hawkeye-X> any spamassassin users?
[03:41] <SauRjk> its just mine
[03:41] <Hawkeye-X> hmm.
[03:41] <Hawkeye-X> did you set status?
[03:42] <SauRjk> yea i have set status Hawkeye-X
[03:42] <Hawkeye-X> reloaded kopete?
[03:42] <SauRjk> hav check it on online, busy, even away
[03:42] <SauRjk> but still they see me as offline
[03:44] <cahuez> yeap, that's unusual as I see..!
[03:45] <cahuez> and how are you connected to the web, by modem sau..!?
[03:45] <SauRjk> cahuez: no i have cable internet
[03:45] <SauRjk> pppoe
[03:47] <cahuez> cool..
[03:47] <SauRjk> the only problem is others see me ass ofline :(
[03:48] <SauRjk> havend used kubuntu much bcoz of the problem
[03:48] <cahuez> well sau, I don't know if i have the same issue but, usually I place myself as available and everybody happy, hehe..
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> anyone know why this mount won't work? mount -t reiserfs -o murderwife=yes /dev/sdb1 /mnt ?
[03:48] <SauRjk> cahuez: i alwayz hope that happen with me also
[03:48] <cahuez> invisible/offline..
[03:49] <SauRjk> cahuez: no hav kept it online
[03:51] <Jsn0327> I downloaded network manager and kNetworkManager for kbuntu.  I unzipped both of them to their own directories.  I tried make and make install but it says that no make file exists.  How do i build and install these apps?
[03:51] <cahuez> sau, try to change with the contact list in front the status just to see what changes then..
[03:51] <SauRjk> change the contact list??
[03:52] <cahuez> nope, just display the contact list and try to change your status, right..!
[03:52] <SauRjk> didnt get u still
[03:54] <cahuez> with the kopete contact list at front..
[03:54] <SauRjk> yea
[03:54] <cahuez> just right click at the icon and change your status, i.e. invisible...
[03:54] <SauRjk> its invisible now
[03:54] <cahuez> cool and, how do you know it..!?
[03:55] <SauRjk> i cant start the conversation
[03:55] <cahuez> but any changes with the icons below, colour changed..!?
[03:56] <SauRjk> jus see a rectangle on the icon
[03:56] <cahuez> the icons below should change if..
[03:56] <SauRjk> the msn icon has a smiley i thin
[03:56] <SauRjk> if??
[03:56] <cahuez> rectangle if you change to invisible, like a small alien..?
[03:57] <SauRjk> yea i see that
[03:57] <SauRjk> it is rectangle
[03:57] <cahuez> a rectangle with a smiling face like one, right..!?
[03:57] <SauRjk> yea
[03:57] <SauRjk> well and the thing is this problem arises only when i use msn
[03:58] <SauRjk> gtalk works fine
[03:58] <cahuez> ok so change then the status to busy...
[03:58] <SauRjk> its changed
[03:58] <cahuez> ok and what are the icons now..!?
[03:58] <SauRjk> sht like an arrow or sth
[03:58] <SauRjk> a brownish sth
[03:59] <cahuez> ok so, what are the icons if you place yourself as "available"..!?
[03:59] <SauRjk> in available i see a butterfl
[03:59] <SauRjk> butterfly msn butterfly
[04:00] <cahuez> cool, that's it, everything is working fine, hehe..!
[04:00] <cahuez> there is no problem at all..!
[04:00] <cahuez> aroaroux sau..
[04:00] <SauRjk> ohw
[04:00] <cahuez> mine the same, hehe..
[04:00] <SauRjk> no my frend still sees me as offline
[04:00] <cahuez> mm at msn..!?
[04:01] <SauRjk> yea yea
[04:01] <cahuez> mm, and how do you know your friend is looking you as a different status..!?
[04:01] <SauRjk> i ask then dud
[04:02] <SauRjk> duh
[04:02] <juana__> help I have been looking for help is there any experts on here
[04:02] <adrock358> yo
[04:02] <cahuez> mm, suddenly your friend is with some kind of issues, hehe..
[04:03] <adrock358> I gotta resize my partition to 45 gb while installing ubuntu with the ubuntu installer, but it will only let me install a90 gb part min.  Anybody have any advice?  Thanks.
[04:03] <cahuez> or best, just give a try to> amsn...
[04:03] <SauRjk> dont that once i think
[04:04] <juana__> adrock can you help me
[04:05] <adrock358> no bdy?
[04:05] <cahuez> your kopete appl looks like working fine sau..!
[04:05] <SauRjk> then y am i offline
[04:05] <SauRjk> ??
[04:06] <SauRjk> to others
[04:06] <adrock358> darn.  i am stuck
[04:06] <juana__> can you help me SauRjk
[04:06] <SauRjk> juana__:  what problem??
[04:06] <juana__> Ok I was trying to install btnx so I could use my side buttons on my mouse and I uninstalled libgtk2.0-0 somehow. So then I reinstalled it but when I rebooted my computer I go strait to the command line instead of my login screen and when i typed firefox this came up GTK- WARNING**: cannot open display. Can anyone help me restore my computer to how it was before when I could use the log in...
[04:06] <SauRjk> if i know the soln i can
[04:06] <juana__> ...screen. Or help me fix my problem.
[04:06] <VousDeux> Hello: I'm probably missing something incredibly simple, but I cannot seem to get any sound even though it looks like it works...
[04:07] <SauRjk> ohw.. dat i dont know sorry
[04:07] <juana__> its ok i have tried the kde4 and no one can help me either
[04:07] <SauRjk> also i am havin a huge problem of myself
[04:07] <VousDeux> I just reinstalled Hardy x64 from CD, when I booted after that, the mic was set to boost, and let me tell you, I had sound then
[04:07] <SauRjk> ohw oki
[04:09] <VousDeux> I used the kmixer to turn the mic boost off, but amarok now looks like it is playing just fine, I just don't hear anything (nothing is muted either)
[04:09] <cahuez> sau, the issue is fixed then..!?
[04:09] <VousDeux> any ideas?
[04:09] <SauRjk> cahuez: uhh no
[04:09] <draik> Hello all
[04:09] <SauRjk> jus could not find the solution
[04:09] <cahuez> humm, your kopete program is working fine, just keep it going, hehe..!
[04:10] <cahuez> hey draik...
[04:10] <VousDeux> I've tried going into the system settings and manipulating the sound settings there, and also in amarok settings
[04:10] <monkeybritches> VousDeux: Can you play other sounds? If you go into the System > Sound, can you play (and hear) the test sound?
[04:10] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: no, the test sound does not produce anything audible
[04:11] <cahuez> check the volume settings at sound mixers..
[04:11] <monkeybritches> Have you tried changing the audio device under the hardware tab?
[04:11] <draik> I am on Hardy. Few issues. Num Lock with LED on is lock off and vice-versa. My login looks like 800x600 fonts for the password. There is a crash from when I press the media button on my keyboard. I cannot load amarok when I press the button. Other media controls work well.
[04:11] <VousDeux> I had sound on Feisty, Gutsy, and even on Hardy before the reinstall
[04:11] <draik> Hello cahuez
[04:11] <VousDeux> I did the reinstall to get rid of KDE4
[04:12] <cahuez> aroaroux..
[04:12] <VousDeux> I don't see any errors in the syslog either
[04:12] <juana__> ok quick question if i use the alterante cd and hit fix system will it reinstall everything all over or actually fix things
[04:13] <draik> How do I get the window decorations back from using compiz?
[04:13] <juana__> do you mean use the compiz ones
[04:13] <draik> juana__: Yes.
[04:14] <monkeybritches> VousDeux: Which audio device is it using?
[04:14] <juana__> i think its compiz --replace
[04:14] <VousDeux> draik: you should be able to just type compiz --replace & into the run box
[04:14] <draik> VousDeux: "compiz --replace &"  ?
[04:14] <cahuez> mm, right clicking at desktop and choosing the right options; I'm not using it yet, hehe..
[04:15] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: it's set on auto by default, but I tried all of them
[04:15] <juana__> did it work draik
[04:16] <VousDeux> draik: yes
[04:16] <VousDeux> draik: I believe the & makes it persistent so that it will load when you reboot
[04:17] <monkeybritches> VousDeux: Sorry, I'm running out of ideas. Does anyone else have any suggestions?
[04:17] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: no problem...I appreciate your effort
[04:18] <VousDeux> it looks like it's jamming, I just can't hear anything...the audio meter is going like crazy in amarok
[04:19] <draik> Sorry, this isn't for me. This is for a friend of mine. They are on IM right now.
[04:20] <monkeybritches> Is your soundcard listed when you do a lspci?
[04:20] <cahuez> try listening this> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03e2M9QTW4 ..
[04:20] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: yes
[04:20] <draik> Here is the error message she is getting... http://pastebin.ca/1005664
[04:21] <monkeybritches> Have you checked to see if it's on the Hardy compatibility list?
[04:21] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[04:21] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: It was working just yesterday...with Hardy
[04:22] <monkeybritches> It was working on Hardy w/ KDE4 but now it doesn't on Hardy w/ KDE3.5, right?
[04:23] <VousDeux> hmmm...I'm not getting that mic feedback anymore either
[04:23] <draik> !nvidia
[04:23] <cahuez> yeap, and first..
[04:23] <cahuez> try to check the mixer volumes first..
[04:23] <monkeybritches> Have you enabled the Master, PCM, and Front channels under Kmix?
[04:24] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: yes, they are enabled and turned about half way up
[04:24] <monkeybritches> I have mine turned up about 80% of the way for what I consider 'normal' volume
[04:25] <monkeybritches> Have you tried jacking them way up and playing with volume to see if you can hear anything at all?
[04:25] <VousDeux> I've tried sliding them all
[04:25] <VousDeux> I even tried turning the mic back on adn cranking the boost back up...no feedback now either
[04:26] <monkeybritches> And it's plugged into the right jack, right? I lost sound yesterday for a few minutes before I realized I'd pulled the plug out on the speakers :)
[04:26] <VousDeux> I've also tried the hardware audio controls several times
[04:27] <mrunagi> !upgrade
[04:28] <VousDeux> I did install the kubuntu-restriced-extras... I wonder if that has anything to do with it
[04:29] <cahuez> yeap, just give a try to the medibuntu resources..
[04:29] <VousDeux> removing them didn't seem to have any effect
[04:29] <cahuez> then you can listen fine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfoQzBgfLf8&feature=related ones..
[04:29] <monkeybritches> VousDeux: Try what they suggest on this thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=767094&highlight=82801H
[04:30] <mrunagi> how do u do the 3d effects
[04:30] <monkeybritches> !compiz
[04:30] <VousDeux> monkeybritches: looking at it now...thanks!
[04:30] <monkeybritches> You're welcome
[04:30] <mrunagi> i thought it was built in now
[04:30] <monkeybritches> Let's see if it's of any help
[04:33] <cahuez> happy weekend to all, bye bye....
[04:35] <XVampireX> Hi
[04:35] <monkeybritches> Assuming changing the model name in that options line matters (in case you're not on a lenovo)
[04:35] <monkeybritches> bye
[04:35] <XVampireX> Is anyone here running Kubuntu-KDE4?
[04:35] <monkeybritches> I'm waiting for KDE6 to come out.
[04:35] <liza> does anyone knows if i can download yahoo! messenger with kubuntu program?
[04:35] <XVampireX> That's gonna happen in quite a while
[04:35] <monkeybritches> :)
[04:36] <monkeybritches> liza: There are alternatives, like Kopete that work the same way.
[04:36] <mrunagi> are desktop effects not built in?
[04:36] <liza> but the difference is there is no audio:(
[04:37] <monkeybritches> mrunagi: Is there no option for Desktop Effects under System?
[04:37] <mrunagi> oh there it is
[04:37] <mrunagi> ty
[04:37] <liza> how can i use audio if i use kopete?
[04:38] <monkeybritches> liza: You might be in luck - http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[04:38] <monkeybritches> It may or may not work, but if it does then I would think you'd have all the features you want.
[04:38] <monkeybritches> Actually, I think I'll try it myself...
[04:39] <progmano4> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle
[04:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> monkeybritches, it doesn't.
[04:39] <mrunagi> !flash
[04:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> that versioni is several out of date
[04:40] <VousDeux> I guess I'm just not sure what to do with that...mine does not have the line they mention
[04:40] <monkeybritches> Ok, thanks for saving me some time. I was afraid that might be the case.
[04:40] <monkeybritches> ls
[04:41] <liza> thanks for help monkeybritches:)
[04:41] <TeslaTony> How can I extract specific files from an archive with the tar command?
[04:43] <mrunagi> omg omg omg i think my tv tuner is supported!
[04:44] <monkeybritches> liza: Have you tried Pidgin?
[04:44] <monkeybritches> TeslaTony: You could open it in the GUI and drag/drop them out
[04:44] <monkeybritches> Sorry, I thought you said 'without'
[04:45] <TeslaTony> monkeybritches: I'd do it that way, but the archive is 94 gigabytes
[04:46] <liza> monkeybritches:i do not know how to use it
[04:46] <mrunagi> how do i see what kernel my linux is using
[04:46] <monkeybritches> TeslaTony: :O
[04:47] <monkeybritches> liza: You can start by downloading it here: http://www.pidgin.im/
[04:48] <Hydrogen> why does `bum` have such horrible performance?
[04:48] <Hydrogen> oh
[04:48] <Hydrogen> nevermind
[04:48] <Hydrogen> its written in perl
[04:48] <Hydrogen> THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL
[04:48] <azzco> So does anyone know of a bleeding edge compis repo? I'm not much for using compiz daily for everything but I love to see the new features
[04:50] <Jsn0327> I am having problems getting the sudo command to work properly.  I searched around some forums and another person had the same problem and said that their home directory was not properly mounted.  How can i check and ensure that my home directory is properly mounted?
[04:54] <Hydrogen> nice, perl *and* four separate loops *and* all sorts of uncommented code *and* inconsistent naming *and* untracable behavior
[04:54] <liza> monkeybritches:how come when i download pidgin in windows its not the picture of the pidgin :(
[04:56] <monkeybritches> I don't know about that
[04:57] <vanchuck> I've installed compiz through the "Desktop Effects" applet in 8.04, and selected "Extra Effects", but nothing has changed even after restarting X...
[04:57] <vanchuck> is there something else I also need to do?
[04:58] <dthacker> Hydrogen: perl -d
[04:59] <dthacker> !compiz
[05:01] <Hydrogen> ah
[05:02] <Hydrogen> It makes a gigantic amount of calls to dpkg -S
[05:02] <VousDeux> hey, I've got sound, but I had to crank all of the volume all the way up...including the line-in???
[05:02] <Hydrogen> that makes *perfect* sense
[05:02]  * Hydrogen facepalms
[05:02] <WolfEyesBane> Good evening
[05:02] <VousDeux> there is nothing even plugged in on the line-in
[05:03] <WolfEyesBane> can anyone help me with a network card problem?
[05:03] <VousDeux> in fact, if I turn anything down--even the headphones--I lose my sound
[05:04] <VousDeux> something is buggy
[05:04] <dthacker> !anyone | WolfEyesBane
[05:04] <monkeybritches> Yes, line-in shouldn't be necessary
[05:04] <monkeybritches> And when I was tweaking my sound I noticed a sharp drop in audibility if I went below 80% on the first three channels
[05:05] <WolfEyesBane> sorry, on the live CD my built in NIC registers, but once I have installed it it does not seem to recoginize it, as I have no network access
[05:05] <VousDeux> I have to have Master, Headphone, PCM, and Front all turned up, or no sound
[05:06] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: System Settings-->Network Settings.  Does your card show up there?
[05:06] <VousDeux> oh, and if I drag the balance to the right it turns the master down
[05:06] <VousDeux> hehe
[05:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> it actually tturns the master slider down or the volume itself drops?
[05:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> because it's starting to sound like you might have a short in your speakers...
[05:07] <WolfEyesBane> I do not see that option, but when I ricgh click the jack in the conner, it says "No active device"
[05:08] <VousDeux> alsamixer has the same effect
[05:09] <dthacker> hmmm, re-arranged the menus again, did we.   WolfEyesBane, is this 8.04?
[05:09] <WolfEyesBane> Yes, it is a fresh install from the CD. brb
[05:10] <WolfEyesBane> I did not re-arrange the install but yes to the 8.04
[05:10] <VousDeux> well, at least I think I have something to work with now...thanks for the help
[05:11] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: how do you physically connect to the network?  wired or wireless?
[05:14] <dthacker> afk 5 mins
[05:15] <WolfEyesBane> wired
[05:16] <bibek> how do i configure the effects level in kde3?
[05:16] <bibek> im on simple desktop effects, i'd like to cinfigure this and that
[05:17] <draik> In Hardy, something crashes when I hit the media button.
[05:17] <draik> Here is the image:    http://imagebin.ca/view/hxF9GeKt.html                    Backtrace:  http://pastebin.ca/1005694
[05:17] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: Do you have a single port built in Nic or dual port?
[05:18] <WolfEyesBane> Single, and it is build into the motherboard
[05:19] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane:  Are the LED's on the NIC lit up?
[05:20] <WolfEyesBane> let me check
[05:20] <WolfEyesBane> I can atleast see the gree light on
[05:20] <draik> I also cannot run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to work on video settings. It's only configuring the keyboard and mouse, nothing about the display
[05:21] <bibek> anyone knows how to configure desktop effects in kde 3?
[05:22] <bibek> draik: put a -phigh
[05:22] <intelikey> can i dis mAcro$opht wIndoze in here ?  or is that offencive ?
[05:22] <bibek> draik: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[05:22] <draik> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[05:22] <draik>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080502212241
[05:23] <draik> bibek: That is what happens
[05:23] <intelikey> bibek ummm kcontrol
[05:23] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: Good!  I do not have an 8.04 install nearby, so bear with me.  If you open the System settings menu, are there any icons or entries for networking?
[05:23] <draik> Sorry, I should have mentioned that -phigh doesn't do anything either.
[05:23] <bibek> intelikey: systemsettings? there isn't option though to configure the settings i want to use
[05:23] <draik> intelikey: Since when do you flame?
[05:24] <intelikey> draik only winblows
[05:24] <bibek> draik: what the actual problem?
[05:24] <WolfEyesBane> Sure, bear in mind I am new to this, it says "Network Interfaces" that is the closest to networking
[05:24] <bibek> draik: whats the media button ? :)
[05:24] <intelikey> bibek i think system settings != kcontrol  but i could be wrong
[05:24] <bibek> intelikey: systemsettings is kubuntized version of kcontrol
[05:24] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: no problem, we're all new at first :)  Click on Network interfaces
[05:24] <draik> bibek: Video seems to be off in KDM. Password is a huge dot. The same applies to the password fields in Firefox.
[05:24] <bibek> imo
[05:25] <intelikey> bibek thus !=
[05:25] <bibek> draik: are u in toshiba laptop?
[05:25] <intelikey> bibek just run kcontrol and see if it's there
[05:25] <draik> bibek: Media button is a button on my keyboard for opening a media player (configured for Amarok). I provided an image and backtrace log.
[05:26] <draik> No, this is a desktop I built.
[05:26] <intelikey> then why are you asking us ?
[05:26] <bibek> intelikey: :( no option there
[05:26] <bibek> in beryl there used to be a settings app to set settings
[05:27] <intelikey> oh compiz  you said kde
[05:27] <bibek> no option in kubuntu :(
[05:27]  * draik misses beryl :(
[05:27] <bibek> intelikey: :) sorry should have said compiz
[05:27] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:27] <bibek> so how to configure compiz?
[05:28] <intelikey> i can't even atemp to find that one out.  it would require support for my nvidia card which linux doesn't have.
[05:28] <bibek> intelikey: you could use restricted driver manager?
[05:29] <intelikey> nope
[05:29] <bibek> intelikey: are u in gobuntu :D
[05:29] <intelikey> my card is "no longer supported"
[05:29] <bibek> intelikey: aah,
[05:30] <draik> intelikey: What is your card?
[05:30] <intelikey> riva128
[05:30] <draik> I have an nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE and it feels like it's not supported.
[05:31] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d68c8ec5f
[05:31] <WolfEyesBane> If I am looking at the wrong spot please tell me, I am trying to pick this up
[05:32] <intelikey> avtually this box had an ati something in the agp slot when i got it.  i pulled it out and put it in a server that very rarly has a monitor on it...
[05:32] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: If you click on network interfaces, what do you see?
[05:33] <draik> intelikey: Do you think mine is no longer supported if I cannot edit the video driver?
[05:34] <draik> intelikey: rather, choose proprietary
[05:34] <intelikey> i'd rather use a "no longer supported" nvidia with the open source driver (nv) that works than an ati with propriatary driver that doesn't
[05:34] <iss_student> If I install the 64 bit version will it allow me to access my full 4 gig of memory?
[05:35] <WolfEyesBane> Any advice?
[05:35] <intelikey> draik or did you mean for the nv card ?
[05:35] <draik> The nv card. I cannot choose proprietary
[05:35] <draik> It is currently set to "nvidia"
[05:36] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: Is Network Interfaces clickable?
[05:37] <WolfEyesBane> Yes it is, it lists "lo with an IP of <IP_ADDRESS>, Network mask of <IP_ADDRESS> type loopback, state up, HW addr00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00"
[05:38] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: it does not list eth0 or eth1?
[05:38] <WolfEyesBane> no it does not
[05:39] <intelikey> wireless ?
[05:39] <WolfEyesBane> I have no problem with getting info from the comandline if need be, and no
[05:40] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: sudo ifconfig from the command line
[05:40] <WolfEyesBane> it just lists lo
[05:40] <intelikey> lshw -C network
[05:40] <intelikey> i have three listings there.
[05:41] <intelikey> oh poo   back to work....
[05:42] <dthacker> channel:  is there command line command to retry nic detection?
[05:47] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: I'd reboot from the live cd, find out what driver is being loaded, then look in the forums to see if anyone else has had problems with your card.
[05:48] <WolfEyesBane> how would i find out which card is being loaded?
[05:49] <WolfEyesBane> it says my iptables failed on the power down
[05:49] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: do a "sudo lshw -C network"
[05:50] <WolfEyesBane> ok loading the live CD now
[05:55] <WolfEyesBane> what infromation am I looking for with what it shot out?
[05:56] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: the vendor and product for eth0
[05:57] <WolfEyesBane> vender is Intel Corporation, product 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller
[06:01] <dthacker> WolfEyesBane: go look for problem reports with that card in the forums or on Google.
[06:03] <vanchuck> I enabled "transparency and shadows" and now am getting a "Composite Extension Not Found" error when kde starts, tells me to add the "Composite" extension to my XOrg file, but it's already there!
[06:04] <vanchuck> (8.04, 3 monitors on 2 nvidia cards with closed drivers installed via envyng)
[06:04] <vanchuck> haven't found anyone who has had this problem before on the forums or google... I guess no fanciness for me
[06:05] <Jucato> vanchuck: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in pastebin for us to check?
[06:05] <Jucato> !pastebin | vanchuck
[06:06] <WolfEyesBane> I am not seeing anything but that could be me, how would I go about installing it?
[06:07] <yoyoma> VousDeux: did you get your audio working?
[06:07] <yoyoma> i had the same problem
[06:07] <yoyoma> the answer was to run alsamixer at a terminal... move to each channel, and un-mute
[06:08] <yoyoma> (i think the 'm' key toggled the mute)
[06:08] <yoyoma> after the upgrade, they were all muted for some reason
[06:08] <vanchuck> Jucato: http://pastebin.com/m32ff85dc
[06:09] <vanchuck> (paste.ubuntu-nl.org is 404)
[06:09] <Trel> how can I get a graphical grub?
[06:09] <Trel> in hardy
[06:09] <Jucato> vanchuck: after you added that extension, did you restart X?
[06:10] <vanchuck> yes, that line has been there for a while
[06:10] <vanchuck> but only since enabling "transparency and shadows" has that error come up
[06:10] <Jucato> hm.. weird indeed
[06:10] <WolfEyesBane> ok I rebooted and now it is not regestering my USB keyboard
[06:12] <Hydrogen> hmm
[06:12] <Hydrogen> for some reason my gama settings are drasticly different after starting nvidia-settings
[06:13] <Hydrogen> in a good way
[06:13] <Hydrogen> any idea why? :)
[06:21] <rickey> well my adept mmanager has crashed agin
[06:22] <rickey> anyone remeber the command to reset it
[06:22] <Trel> If I want to change the default run level, what file do I edit?
[06:22] <rickey> remember
[06:22] <Jucato> !aptfix | rickey
[06:29] <stelios> hey all
[06:41] <holyguyver_> Hello, I am on Gutsey & my microphone doesn't work for some reason, now obviously it is not the physical microphone (have tried old one & bought a new one) so it must by my mics card, I made sure my mic is not muted & is up load. I am running a 1998 Gateway. Any help?
[06:43] <Trel> I'm having a problem. If I use the nvidia-glx-new (or manually install any newer one from the repos) I get blank TTYs. If I use nvidia-glx, I can use my TTYs but then if I choose logout, I get a blank screen unless I restart KDM. (from the TTY)
[06:44] <navetz_> what would be good premissions to put on a webserver? I want 775 but I am not sure if I should just stick with 755
[06:45] <navetz_> I want to be able to access my remote files with kate
[06:49] <holyguyver_> !microphone
[06:50] <holyguyver_> !ubottu
[06:50] <holyguyver_> why does ubotu have two t's now?
[06:57] <dwidmann_> :S I'm confused, it's like it's ignoring my /etc/apt/preferences file or something :(
[07:02] <dwidmann_> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6f43638
[07:03] <dwidmann_> I hope for reply, but I need to go get some sleep
[07:03] <sirmike1970md> hi all if i install something from the adept manager where does the installed files go
[07:13] <sirmike1970md> is anybody around
[07:24] <intelikey> any good apps for creating dvd's ?
[07:25] <intelikey> !dvd
[07:26] <Dr_willis> I tebnd to use DeVeDe to make video dvds
[07:26] <intelikey> k i'll give it a look see
[07:27] <intelikey> hmm not in the repos for dapper...
[07:27] <robotgeek> i have not tried my hand at actually make a dvd. i gotta try it sometime
[07:29] <intelikey> robotgeek yeah i'm "thrust" into it rather than by choice
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> morning intelikey, haven't seen you in a while
[07:30] <syx> anyone on?
[07:30] <intelikey> i've been on clean up detail where men have been dead for a few days, and i feel just as dirty after using windoze vesta to make a dvd as i did after that...
[07:30] <intelikey> hello Daisuke
[07:31] <syx> oi can anyone help me out
[07:31]  * Daisuke_Ido comforts intelikey
[07:31] <intelikey> syx down the hall the third door on your left.
[07:31] <syx> roger that
[07:31]  * syx walks down the hall
[07:31] <syx> ...what door was it... dammit
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> it'll be okay, one day the shrink will be able to banish the memories of vista that you've surely repressed by now
[07:32] <intelikey> syx what is the issue  :)
[07:32] <syx> setting up wireless usb antenna on kubuntu on a desktop
[07:32] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido ummm you said that bad word... !
[07:33] <intelikey> syx ok and ?
[07:33] <syx> no avail
[07:33] <syx> doesn`t see it
[07:34] <XceII> whats the ubuntu ops channel?
[07:34] <XceII> #
[07:34] <intelikey> unplug/replug the usb cable and then   dmesg
[07:34] <intelikey> XceII #ubuntu-ops
[07:34] <XceII> thx
[07:34] <syx> "dmesg" ?
[07:35] <intelikey> syx it's a command
[07:35] <syx> got it
[07:35] <intelikey> not an order
[07:35] <syx> then
[07:35] <intelikey> did the kernel see the device ?
[07:35] <intelikey> it will be the last two lines
[07:36] <syx> didn`t check
[07:36] <syx> hmm, if it doesn`t : ?
[07:37] <intelikey> then ummm we burn that bridge when we cross it.
[07:37] <syx> and if it does : ?
[07:37] <intelikey> then ummm we burn that bridge when we cross it.
[07:38] <intelikey> or i go play.  on of the three
[07:38] <intelikey> on/one
[07:39] <syx> hmm... i hope wireless != no_detect
[07:39] <syx> anyways
[07:39] <syx> thanx
[07:39] <syx> ima see if i can do anything without anything going boom
[07:39] <syx> in any case i`ll be bk
[07:39] <intelikey> syx on.  are you networkless without that thing working ?
[07:40] <syx> yep
[07:40] <intelikey> on/oh
[07:40] <syx> im @ my desktop and its connected to my friend(neighbor)'s router via the lil usb D-link antenna
[07:41] <intelikey> ummm then if no detect   you'll have to aleart the kernel    maybe modprobe a driver for it.   if it does see it then you'll have some information to report.   be sure to copy it.
[07:41] <syx> gotcha
[07:41] <intelikey> and probably without the neighbour's permission   too..
[07:42] <syx> actually it is
[07:42] <intelikey> if so.   this conversation is over.
[07:42] <intelikey> my job wont let me go any farther down that road.
[07:42] <syx> na im the lucky one with the ACTUAL neighbor that is a friend who offered to share
[07:43] <syx> anyways
[07:43] <syx> dmesg, and modprobe
[07:43] <syx> right?
[07:43] <intelikey> probably.
[07:43] <syx> k
[07:43] <syx> thanx
[07:43] <syx> l8r
[07:43] <intelikey> modprobe will need the module name
[07:44] <syx> the name of the antenna?
[07:44] <intelikey> dmesg will reviel it.  we hope.
[07:44] <syx> oh ok
[07:44] <syx> got it
[07:44] <syx> then brb
[07:44] <intelikey> google will help find it.     and the modules are all in /lib/somthing/something/....
[07:45] <syx> heh it would be funneh to find default folders named "something"
[07:45] <syx> but i get it
[07:45] <Clusty> hey
[07:45] <Clusty> are the kubuntu CDs final?
[07:59] <shiwhy> q tal a to2
[07:59] <shiwhy> irc existe :s?
[08:02] <broandsis> .
[08:03] <k4ever> hi all.  how do i get the kickoff menu (kde 3.5.x version) for hardy?
[08:03] <_2> !pt
[08:03] <_2> !es
[08:05] <_2> k4ever install kickoff ?
[08:06] <k4ever> yes, where do i find kickoff for hardy?
[08:07] <_2> !info kickoff
[08:07] <_2> ? idk
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> kde-look.org
[08:07] <_2> ah there you went
[08:09] <k4ever> i've checked kde-look (second place i looked, first was in adept). links there are broken.  googled it and got the runaround.
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Kickoff-KDE-Menu-in-Kubuntu-Ubuntu-46601.shtml
[08:19] <_2> where did ubuntu disable generation of rsa keys in open-ssh-server ?
[08:20] <_2>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...
[08:20] <_2> Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key
[08:20] <_2> version 1 is defaulted off.  but i don't see where...  ?
[08:20] <fluffy_bunny> protocol version 1 is obsolete
[08:21] <_2> i didn't ask if it was supported i asked where they turned it off  ;/
[08:22] <Lynoure> _2: I'd expect there to be an option of enabling in if you run dpkg-reconfigure on the package  (I vaguely remember such option being in Debian at least)
[08:22] <_2> Lynoure ty checking
[08:22] <Lynoure> But it is obsolete, like fluffy_bunny said
[08:22] <fluffy_bunny> they disable it in config )
[08:23] <Lynoure> _2: might be also in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, dunno
[08:23] <_2> dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server -plow   gives no option.
[08:24] <_2> isn't in the sshd_conf  i started by looking there.
[08:26] <fluffy_bunny> in sshd_conf -> Protocol
[08:26] <fluffy_bunny> default is 2 only
[08:27] <fluffy_bunny> afaik ;)
[08:27] <hansy> hi
[08:28] <hansy> i have upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04, and now java_runtime don't work in FF...
[08:29] <Lynoure> _2: just because an option is not shown in a config file does not always mean it does not exist, often you can check the syntax and type it in...
[08:30] <_2> Lynoure yes. i found it.  you have to add the line "HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key" to the sshd_config
[08:30] <_2> and of course generate the file too...
[08:36] <_2> anyone know off hand the vga=  code or where one might find it?
[08:36] <hansy> could anyone help?
[08:37] <hansy> it is ff2 i have installed
[08:37] <pascalFR> !bug 232323
[08:38] <Lynoure> _2: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:38] <_2> could you pastebin it ?   it's not in mine
[08:38] <wesley> why are there no packages of kde4.1 alpha ?
[08:38] <_2> Lynoure i'm asking what the full table is for the 2.6 kernel you know
[08:39] <_2> why there be a package of an alpha ?
[08:39] <nora> #slo
[08:40] <wesley> i am just asking wanna test the alpha
[08:40] <_2> hansy check the symlink in /usr/bin  make sure the "alternatives" are still correct
[08:40] <fluffy_bunny> _2: http://wiki.antlinux.com/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes
[08:41] <Lynoure> _2: actually, I still don't know what you are asking, but that's the file where you can put the vga= parameter and other defoptions
[08:42] <hansy> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-05-03 00:21 firefox-2 -> ../lib/firefox/firefox-2
[08:43] <Lynoure> wesley: maybe because there has not been time to make them? You can compile your own if you are impatient
[08:44] <hansy> _2: isn't there a tool to check the system for that stuff?
[08:44] <_2> hansy umm   update-alternatives ?
[08:45] <_2> fluffy_bunny according to that i'm looking for 770   well not actually that's not for short screen and i would like to use something for short screen     but there is nothing listed there for short screen
[08:46] <wesley> i going convert the rpms
[08:46] <_2> so i'll try 770
[08:48] <hansy> _2: i just get the answer that there is no alternatives
[08:48] <fluffy_bunny> _2: maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484&highlight=kernel+booting+parameters will be useful for you
[08:48] <thierry>  /server irc.freenode.net
[08:51] <_2> fluffy_bunny yeah that's same data on a different page.   thanks.
[08:51] <XceII> whats the op channnel?
[08:52] <fluffy_bunny> =)
[08:52] <Lynoure> XceII: #ubuntu-ops
[08:52] <XceII> okj
[08:52] <wesley> is kubuntu planning to release packages of the alpha ?
[08:52] <Lynoure> XceII: or maybe there is #kubuntu-ops too, I'm not sure
[08:54] <_2> Lynoure this is what i was asking where to find.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d632dd19a     someone could add a ubuntu page with that and poing the bot at it.   if they eanted to.
[08:54] <_2> point
[08:55] <wabkia> When try to edit fstab with gksudo gedit /etc/fstab it says "** ERROR **: Cannot find a safe socket path in '/tmp'
[08:55] <Lynoure> _2: well, nice that you found it. I could not have parsed that from your question...
[08:55] <_2> something  with a  !vga   would be nice
[08:55] <_2> Lynoure heh. fluffy_bunny had no problem.   probably a differance in locale.  :)
[08:56] <Lynoure> _2: ok, I was about to tell you how to submit a factlet change to the bot, but... I'd probably misunderstood you there too :)
[08:57] <_2> :)))
[08:57] <XceII> tyhx guys
[08:57] <XceII> luv u
[08:58] <_2> Lynoure really someone needs to add that table to a ubuntu page first   then  i could   /msg ubuntu vga is "For a table of possable vga= setting for the kernel see <the url>"
[09:00] <Lynoure> _2: You can edit ubuntu wikis too, does not take special rights. I don't touch them myself, not that in with the in-crowd. :)
[09:00] <_2> or maybe even.   /msg ubuntu vga is "For a table of possable kernel vga= setting see <the url>"
[09:00] <PascalFR> @now
[09:00] <_2> no i can't.
[09:00] <_2> you have to register.
[09:00] <_2> and to register you have to have an email address
[09:00] <_2> i tried to reg with   root@localhost  didn't work...
[09:01] <Lynoure> heh
[09:01] <_2> Lynoure you could.  :)
[09:01] <hansy> kubuntu java problem
[09:01] <hansy> !google kubuntu java problem
[09:01] <Lynoure> _2: Not my problem, I don't even work for Canonical, ask someone else.
[09:02] <_2> ):
[09:02] <_2> ok.
[09:02] <_2> i'll pick on Jucato with that one.
[09:02] <Dr_willis> get a free email address at linuxmail.org :) and be leet.
[09:02] <_2> actually i don't want one
[09:03] <_2> anywhere   ^
[09:03] <Lynoure> _2: I'm still a bit annoyed about the "ha haa, you didn't get my question stuff" so I don't feel like dropping my "I don't do major changes in the wiki"s for a stranger like you. Sorry.
[09:03] <Dr_willis> Then do without I guess...
[09:03] <Dr_willis> I need to update some wiki pages one of these days.
[09:03] <_2> Lynoure lol
[09:03] <_2> ok.
[09:04] <intelikey> stranger  ?
[09:08] <Lynoure> _2: Didn't see you change, and you sounded much different that intelikey normally...
[09:09] <_2> sorry,  it must be the mask that changes my voice  :))
[09:09] <_2> i'm base two   does it sound binary ?
[09:09] <Lynoure> Anonymity (even from their normal handle) does that to many people
[09:10] <adapter48> hi @ all
[09:11] <_2> Lynoure agreed.   some times i don't even recognize myself         (but the spelling errors usually give me away)
[09:11] <wayneandleanne> can somebody give me some ideas what this error means?      no error type from QslError?   strange... (i am trying to setup mythtv
[09:11] <Dr_willis> wayneandleanne,  you may want to check the #mythbuntu, or #mythubuntu channel.
[09:11] <Lynoure> _2: You could also edit some other page to contain all the info, and submit a factlet that points to that. :)
[09:12] <wayneandleanne> cheers
[09:13] <Lynoure> _2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions has some related stuff, at least, and does not require an email address to edit
[09:14] <adapter48> gibt es für Intrepid Ibex eine neue apt sourceslist
[09:15] <adapter48> gives it for Intrepid Ibex a new apt sourceslist
[09:16] <adapter48> or how to change
[09:16] <Lynoure> adapter48: Ibex will have a different sources.list, yes, but there is no Ibex even in development yet
[09:16] <adapter48> ok thanks
[09:17] <adapter48> have a nice day
[09:17] <adapter48> by
[09:17] <Lynoure> adapter48: you too :)
[09:17] <JoshOvki> he was very polite :)
[09:18] <Lynoure> JoshOvki: it was nice :)
[09:19] <JoshOvki> Lynoure: yeh, usualy its people saying "thanks for nothing" and leaving when we give them the answer they dont want.
[09:20] <_2> factoid request sent Lynoure
[09:20] <JoshOvki> so whats going on in here?
[09:20] <Lynoure> JoshOvki: those are just easier to remember, not a majority, I think
[09:20] <JoshOvki> Lynoure: good point
[09:21] <_2> JoshOvki "usualy its people saying "   where?
[09:21] <JoshOvki> _2: pardon?
[09:21] <_2> what channel ?
[09:22] <JoshOvki> here and #kubuntu-kde4  when they dont get the answer they like, and im using the term saying lightly and meaning typing
[09:23] <_2> i'm wondering where you find that kind of attatude?    although there are the occasional one here.   i don't see very many of them.    so i was wondering where you were finding that.    just being noisy i guess...
[09:23] <_2> and yes i was typing when i was your post but went on and posted anyway
[09:23] <Dr_willis> I see it a lot more in #ubuntu, then i do in here.
[09:24] <_2> yeah i have too.  but i'm not in there much.
[09:24] <JoshOvki> _2 you do get a few in here, but i tend to find them more in #kubuntu-kde4
[09:25] <_2> JoshOvki this biased on my part i know.  but i wonder if the more we move toward a "ms alike" product  the more we will see that ?
[09:25] <Dr_willis> I can imagine in KDE4 channel they are all demanding features that are not included yet. :)
[09:26] <Dr_willis> I noticed that People put up with a lot of 'stuff' with MS products. because they basicially feel they dont have an option.   Or they think 'thats just how it is... '
[09:26] <_2> and probably wanting "you know, like it used to" dr_willis
[09:26] <JoshOvki> _2: i think you are right. because we will get more arrogent people in here expecting to be the first to get helped and want a nice simple run this .exe answer
[09:27] <_2> JoshOvki prezactly
[09:27] <Dr_willis> I do see more and more issues in u/kubuntu with the various 'user-friendlyness-tools/features' causing issues. Such as automounting, and  autorunning of things, and so forth.
[09:28] <_2> oh gosh
[09:29] <_2> and auto driver/settings !
[09:29] <_2> </rolls eyes>
[09:29] <Dr_willis> Testing out the latest Gnome.. and i can NOT figure out where to disable the **@*@*@ auto play dvd feature. :)
[09:29] <Dr_willis> The latest auto-confguring-minimal xorg.conf  in hardy. has confused a lot of people. :)
[09:30] <_6502_> Hello... since I switched to Hardy it looks like every time I boot my hard drives get different names (e.g. one time my sata disk gets /dev/sda and my IDE gets /dev/sdb, the other time the other way around) and this is annoying for my scripts. What is the reason ?
[09:30] <_2> heh.   sudo mount -o remount,nosuid /    but you better have a root shell open or a password set   cause you lose sudo too
[09:30] <_2> @ dr_w
[09:31] <_2> case in point _6502_ ^
[09:31] <Dr_willis> _6502_,  thats one of the reasons that  the trend is now to mount drives based on UUID's
[09:31] <_6502_> _2 sorry ?
[09:31] <_2> _6502_ i can't tell you the reason really.  but the workaround is to do all idintifying by uuid
[09:32] <Dr_willis> The /dev/ entry wont matter.. the mountpoint will be the same
[09:32] <_6502_> drwillis: hmmm... nice idea... and... herm... how ? :-) ....
[09:32] <Dr_willis> Internal or external disks?
[09:32] <Dr_willis> what filesystems also>
[09:32] <_2> blkid  will list them    you can setup the fstab to automount them at boot
[09:33] <_2> he did say ide/sata
[09:33] <Dr_willis> there are removeable sata disks.  :)
[09:33] <_6502_> drwillis: they're both internal disks, one sata and one ide (my old debian, now used as backup). They're both ext3. The sata disk is the main disk and just boots fine
[09:33] <user__> 6y
[09:34] <_6502_> drwillis: the other disk has some problem at bootup so I've to do a -rereadpt after booting to be able to see it
[09:34] <Dr_willis> for internal ext3,I dont see why they would be switching around.. odd..  YOu can just edit the fstab, and make a perment entry for each disk and mount it whever you want.
[09:34] <_2> dr_willis yeah well i have had external ide drives too ;/  go figure.  i did assume they were internal
[09:34] <Dr_willis> !uuid
[09:34] <Dr_willis> I make/put labels on my disks and mount them based on label. :) makes the fstab much easier to read
[09:35] <_2> on disks or filesystems ?
[09:35] <_2> :)
[09:35]  * _2 hides
[09:35] <Dr_willis> Yes
[09:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:35] <_6502_> ok... any docs about how to use labels / uuids instead of /dev/* ? i need to both use mount and blkdev...
[09:36] <Dr_willis> look at the fstab file it has lines that way now
[09:37] <_2> basicly you substitute UUID="####" for /dev/?da#
[09:37] <_2> in the fstab file
[09:37] <_6502_> in blockdev too ?
[09:37] <_6502_> man blockdev doesn't say anything about it
[09:37] <Dr_willis> what does blockdev have to do with it? :)
[09:38] <Dr_willis>  the /dev/whatever part in fstab becomes   UUID= like _2 said.
[09:38] <_2> i didn't say blockdev.   did you ?
[09:38] <Dr_willis> look at your current fstab. It should have some comments.
[09:38] <_6502_> drwillis: to see the IDE disk i've to do a blockdev /dev/sdb --rereadpt to be able to mount the backup disk
[09:38] <Dr_willis> clarify 'see' ?
[09:38] <_6502_> drwillis: during boot I get error messages and the partition table is not being read
[09:39] <Dr_willis> Sounds like a currupted disk/filesystem/partitions
[09:39] <_2> bad copy of the partition table ?
[09:39] <Dr_willis> that may be why your sda/sdb are jumping around.
[09:40] <Dr_willis> system takes whatever disk it sees first and makes it sda, perhaps. that dosent make a lot of sence either.
[09:40] <_2> forced reread may read the backup copy,  idk
[09:40] <Dr_willis> I would be backing up stuff real fast..
[09:40] <_6502_> reread just reread the partition table... the boot problem is something else and I've had that since switching to first ubuntu
[09:41] <_6502_> reading the partition table during boot just times out... it's something related to the boot process
[09:41] <_6502_> the disk itself is fine...
[09:41] <Dr_willis> weird.
[09:42] <_2> module ide-generic not loading maybe
[09:42] <_6502_> i think i'll just write my scripts to first discover what is the disk name by exclusion
[09:43] <_2> _6502_ i mentioned that way up ^ there.   blkid command  or  parse the file /etc/blkid.tab
[09:43] <_6502_> when in doubt... use python :-D
[09:43] <_6502_> hehehe
[09:43] <Dr_willis> you could set its label and  look for that. :)
[09:43] <Dr_willis> This is a weird sounding situation.
[09:43] <_6502_> yeah i know :-/
[09:44] <_6502_> are you suggesting I should trash that lovely 200Gb hard disk ?
[09:44] <Dr_willis> ive tossed out bigger...
[09:44] <_6502_> i think it's a software problem... (just an impression, tho)
[09:45] <_2> my_disk=`blkid | grep 'some specific string' | cut -d':' -f1`    <<<<_6502_
[09:45] <_6502_> i'll just do this hack for now and I'll keep investigating (may be even checking other live distros on my hardware to see if they can handle both disks)
[09:45] <_6502_> _2 thanx
[09:45] <_2> and use the var $mn_disk for that device in your script
[09:46] <_2> sorry  $my_disk
[09:46] <_2> in my example  ^
[09:46] <_2> and that's shell code   bash/sh/ash/...
[09:47] <XceII> lokke here I could go tor, but u bastards are sniveling bastards
[09:48] <_6502_> thankyou guys...
[09:48] <_2> there is a bash specific way to cut that within bash using [*:*] type syntax  but i would rather do posix compliant anyway
[09:48] <Lynoure> XceII: hmm?
[09:49] <XceII> they kow kde stinks, whatch ur masterr
[09:49] <Lynoure> huh
[09:49] <_2> tottaly unintelagable    and i'm probably glad it is...
[09:50] <cham_eleon> Hi guys. I can not access youtube.com with konq3, other pages are working w/o any problems. with firefox youtube is accesible.
[09:50] <kp_> a quick one, how can I start 3D effects if compiz is already installed in 8.04?
[09:50] <cham_eleon> Only with konq3 i can not go to youtube.com "the page or folder does not exist"
[09:50] <XceII> Hey gnome masters, stay tuned, they watch Everything.
[09:51] <Dr_willis> kp_,  compiz --replace
[09:51] <Dr_willis> !compiz | kp_
[09:52] <_2> cham_eleon sounds like ff is using flashplugin and konq is not.   maybe make it avalable to konq ?      but i don't really know the gui way to do that.   i would just find ~/ -iname flash      and symlink it myself
[09:53] <cham_eleon> _2: other pages using flash are working with konq, its only youtube that does not work
[09:53] <XceII> Dr_willis, NICE  try ..
[09:53] <_2> cham_eleon hmmm ok.   i didnt catch that.    maybe you have the site blocked in some konq setting ?
[09:53] <kp_> Thanks I'll try over there!
[09:54] <cham_eleon> _2: hmm maybe... i'll take a look
[09:54] <Dr_willis> kp_,  that wiki page pertty much covers it.
[09:54] <cham_eleon> _2: but i can't remember why i did such a thing :-)
[09:54] <_2> cham_eleon you the only one that uses/admins that box ?
[09:54] <cham_eleon> _2: yes
[09:54] <kp_> Dr-willis: which wiki page you mean?
[09:55] <_2>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion kp
[09:55] <XceII> Dr_willis is a (pron) applicator, ask him.
[09:55] <kp_> OK
[09:55] <redmoon> Anyone know if there is a way to run exe programs with an emurl?
[09:56] <kp_> although this page is more for 7.10!
[09:56] <kp_> not for 8.04!
[09:56] <Dr_willis> kp_,  right. But the basics still apply.
[09:56] <_2> i can't believe we are letting xcell continue like that.  he's worse than that intelikey guy
[09:56] <kp_> Thanks for your help
[09:56] <XceII> I hate the likes of you Dr-willis, U PERVBERT
[09:56] <Dr_willis> kp_,  kde4 has its own alternative also.
[09:57] <JoshOvki> bye all
[09:57] <Dr_willis> XceII,  we love you to... now go back to watching your  cartoons.
[09:57] <kp_> I tried kde4 but the current version seems to be slow if you don't have more than 512MB of RAM!
[09:57] <Dr_willis> kp_,  kde4 is also lacking in a lot of features
[09:57] <kp_> looks like indeed!
[09:58] <kp_> I think the best is to wait for the stable kde4!
[09:58] <XceII> You Dr_willis admit to your per-verity ?
[09:58] <Dr_willis> i found it decently stable.. just missing  lots of things
[09:59] <kp_> Thanks for your help
[09:59] <_2> XceII do you have anything productive to add?   or are you about to leave ?
[09:59] <XceII> Dr_willis s a perv. tell your  children to stay home.
[10:00] <jackault> So, what's new features in 8.04 if you have gutsy?
[10:00] <jackault> Ghangelog seems to be saying 'firefox beta and f-spot' that's ti.
[10:00] <jackault> *it
[10:00] <jackault> *Changelog
[10:00] <cham_eleon> _2: can't find any setting where youtube is blocked..
[10:00] <Dr_willis> updated packages. newer kenrnel, updated wireless drivers and so forth.
[10:00] <redmoon> Hmm.... can someone tell me where I can find... Instructions on how to ahm.... run exe programs on linux?
[10:01] <Dr_willis> !wine | redmoon
[10:01] <cham_eleon> _2: konq is getting the favicon and thats it, than it displays a blank page and "the page or folder does not exist"
[10:02] <_2> cham_eleon hmmm  open a konsole and start konqueror there   then try to go to the site   it "might" drop an error message in the konsole for us.
[10:02] <XceII> _2: XceII do you have anything productive to add?   or are you about to leave ?    Dr_willis s a perv. tell your  children to stay home.
[10:03] <cham_eleon> _2: nothing. the page that is displays has a blinking cursor in the upper left of the page it looks like a "edit" window, but can't type anything into
[10:03] <XceII> U fuckin queer bastards!
[10:03] <Dr_willis> _2,  guess he told you. and it took him a whole 5 min to type it in!
[10:03] <_2> XceII you said that already.  and i didn't want to hear it the first time.  if you have a complaint against him,  tell the police.
[10:04] <XceII> May jesus rebuke you, he will in time u puke
[10:04] <cham_eleon> _2: in the german kubuntu chan theres another one who had the problem with konq3, with 4 everything works fine
[10:04] <_2> !ops | can we escord XceII to the door please
[10:04] <cham_eleon> _2: other subdomains from youtube like de.youtube.com or something like this aren't working too
[10:04] <XceII> exodus 20
[10:05] <_2> thanks jpatrick
[10:05] <Dr_willis> The trolls are out early?
[10:06] <jpatrick> _2: no problem
[10:06] <redmoon> Is there a way to check... which version im using?
[10:07] <Dr_willis> lsb_release -a
[10:07] <Dr_willis> i think redmoon
[10:07] <_2> cham_eleon unless there is a filter blocking that site, then it may be a bug.    i can't really do anymore for you there because i don't have that version.   please do file a bug report against it though.   and maybe someone else can help you more.
[10:08] <_2> lsb_release -d     :)
[10:08] <redmoon> I dont remember what version im using.. so i dont know what repository to get.... so i need to figure out if there is a way... i can check what version im using
[10:08] <_2> redmoon ^
[10:08] <Dr_willis> The console login i think also prints it out in its MOTD.
[10:09] <_2> motd defaults to displaying the release info  yes
[10:09] <_2> i never leave that more than one login past install though
[10:09] <Dr_willis> I always set it up to print out 'fortune | cowsay ' :P
[10:09] <_2> lol   you would
[10:10] <redmoon> ugh... it says K.D.E 3.5.2.... i dont think there is a repository of WINE for this version
[10:11] <redmoon> @_@
[10:12] <Dr_willis> What does kde have to do with wine?
[10:12] <redmoon> no idea...
[10:12] <redmoon> still trying to figure out what version im using
[10:12]  * redmoon is browsing
[10:12] <_2> redmoon why are you looking at kde version and thinking packages ?
[10:12] <Dr_willis> you havent tryed typing 'lsb_release -a' yet have you?
[10:13] <_2> -d
[10:13] <redmoon> oh... no wonder it didnt work i left a part of it out...
[10:13] <redmoon> >.<
[10:13] <_2> dr_willis    try -d sometime  :)
[10:13]  * Dr_willis takes away points for spelling mistakes
[10:13] <Dr_willis> _2,  never noticed.. i normally KNOW what release I am running :)
[10:14] <redmoon> alright... 6.06... ok now i can do this... i think
[10:14] <_2> he's got dapper
[10:14] <Dr_willis> 6.06 is the old LTS supported version. The newer LTS is out. if using wine to run  stuff, it might be best to upgrade to the latest wine thats on the wine repos.
[10:15] <_2> not a newer LTS of kubuntu tho
[10:15] <redmoon> ugh.... what?
[10:15] <Dr_willis> wine is a rather complex tool.
[10:15] <Dr_willis> What are you planing on runnign with wine?
[10:16] <Dr_willis> if you say World Of Warcraft, im going to puke.
[10:17] <jackault> World of Warcraft!
[10:17] <chisiyuan> Dr_willis: I run nothing but ipmsge.exe with wine
[10:17] <jackault> Possibly Oblivion.
[10:18] <_2> chisiyuan what's that ??
[10:19] <chisiyuan> I mean ipmsg, a tool used in LAN to transfer files and msg.
[10:19] <redmoon> ugh... i froze @_@
[10:20] <redmoon> Which version of WINE should i use if have version 6.06 ?....
[10:20] <Dr_willis> easiest to use the one in the repos.
[10:20] <redmoon> which one?
[10:20] <Dr_willis> There is an unofficial repo for the newer wine releases.  those will be better for your games most likely
[10:20] <Dr_willis> look in the package manger, there should only be one.
[10:20] <redmoon> So.. use the 7.0 or w/e?
[10:21] <Dr_willis> You are using dapper drake, so you MUST use the dapper drake repos.. 6.06
[10:21] <Dr_willis> 6.06 is yuyr ubuntu version.
[10:21] <Dr_willis> !info wine dapper
[10:22] <redmoon> ahm..........Ok so like... I typed the thing into the package manager... nothing popped up about the.. WINE repos or w/e
[10:23] <jonah> hey guys, anyone else unable to install vmware-player in kubuntu? i just get 8; use not found, 13; use not found etc
[10:23] <Dr_willis> That guide/url earelier tells you the proper entry for  the dapper wine updated repository
[10:23] <Dr_willis> For Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake): Add the following repository, deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[10:24] <Dr_willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[10:25] <_2> the minimum partition/fs size that "micro$opht windoze vesta"  will install on is TWENTY GIG!  </blinks>
[10:26] <Dr_willis> So?
[10:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:27] <redmoon> Ugh.... i still dont get it =.=..... curses... computer illiteracy =.=
[10:30] <redmoon> ok so i typed it in the terminal... it says... Step 3...and 4...
[10:30] <redmoon> Update the package cache using sudo apt-get update or by clicking 'Reload' in Synaptic
[10:30] <redmoon> Install wine
[10:30] <redmoon> whats that mean.... exactly?
[10:31] <_2> means run sudo apt-get update
[10:31] <Dr_willis> Use the sysnaptic package manager, add the proper repository. use reload  or the command line to make it load the new changes.
[10:31] <Lynoure> redmoon: apt-get update gets the newest (up-to-date) list of packages so the system can tell you what needs upgrading or what can be installed
[10:32] <redmoon> oh... so is that where i go to... the package manager then?
[10:33] <redmoon> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:33] <redmoon> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:33] <otaq> hi is there a channel vor c programing?
[10:33] <redmoon> thats what it says...
[10:34] <otaq> anyone know?
[10:34] <redmoon> i guesss i messed it up already =.=
[10:35] <otaq> thx
[10:36] <chisiyuan> otaq: try ##c
[10:37] <Lynoure> redmoon: you probably get that error because you have more than one of apt/adept/aptitude/dpkg running
[10:38] <redmoon> ugh.... i guess ill close this whole terminal and restart over then
[10:38] <redmoon> =.=
[10:43] <redmoon> well im doing something wrong again T_T........ for crying out loud..... Ill just explain what i did... because i dont know what it is im doing wrong. ok.. http://www.wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main ( apparently like the website page says )....
[10:44] <redmoon> then it like... says something bout.. no such file found
[10:45] <redmoon> Im going to go crazy in a second..... @_@
[10:46] <redmoon> grrr... ill do it later...........
[10:47] <_2> well i'm went.
[10:48] <_2> gooday fellas
[10:49] <can_> arkadaşlar ubuntu masa üstü seçeneklerini nasıl değiştiririm mesela 1024-786
[10:50] <stdin> !tr
[10:59] <Black_Monkey> hi, I've got a weird problem - everything from the root folder is on my desktop :-S
[11:01] <Black_Monkey> this is after an upgrade to 8.04. I tried to change my desktop folder from ~/Desktop (hardy default) back to ~/desktop (what I had before)
[11:01] <Black_Monkey> now whatever I change it to, it just stays with that...
[11:03] <stdin> Black_Monkey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/174532 (some people get it, some don't)
[11:04] <Black_Monkey> stdin: thanks
[11:30]  * djdarkman releaized that it`s not healthy to close adept during kernel update....
[11:30] <Lynoure> Is it normal for  xrdb -query  and  xdpyinfo | grep resolution  to give different dpi values?
[11:32] <Lynoure> And which one is the one that determines font sizes in kde?
[11:40] <Lynoure> What's the size unit used for font size in System Settings? I cannot find a size that would seem to correspond in Gimp.
[11:40] <giacomo> !it
[11:40] <giacomo> !it
[11:41] <IppatsuMan> Lynoure: you may find this article interesting: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3445 - but read its comments too, I'm not 100% sure that it is correct - but it could give you some hints
[11:45] <Lynoure> IppatsuMan: kind of comforting that others are frustrated by the same things. Maybe I'll just live with this until I have just one monitor (or maybe two, with same dpi on both).
[11:48] <Syntux> Hello, I'm not sure it's Ubuntu or Kubuntu question so I will give it a shot here. I'm using Ubuntu and want to install Basket but I want to avoid installing all of these packages http://paste.syntux.net/bin/32  and I'm referring to none dependency ones.
[11:50] <Lynoure> Syntux: looking at it now...
[11:50] <Syntux> Lynoure, Thank you.
[11:52] <Lynoure> Syntux: aptitude tends to pull down recommended packages too... sudo apt-get install basket  could give you somewhat less to install
[11:53] <Lynoure> (there is also a switch to aptitude to do the same, I think, but I cannot remember it)
[11:54] <Syntux> Lynoure, hmm well it does but still way more than the dependent packages http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/basket
[11:57] <Lynoure> Syntux: could you pastebin what apt-get wants to install?
[11:58] <MSohail> Hi all
[11:58] <Syntux> http://paste.syntux.net/bin/33
[11:58] <Syntux> hi MSohail .
[11:59] <MSohail> i am trying to rebuild kopete with jingle support. I wanted to know how I can alter debian/rules to include jingle support.
[11:59] <MSohail> hi Syntux ... hope you are in good health
[12:00] <Lynoure> Syntux: looks really just the dependencies (and the dependencies needed to install those), to me
[12:01] <Lynoure> Syntux: I hope you can afford the space, Basket is nice :)  (you can use deborphan or debfoster to slim down the system to some degree, if you are worried about having totally useless packages)
[12:03] <MSohail> any advice anyone? a reference to a how -to would also work
[12:03] <Syntux> Lynoure, lovely, I liked the idea of debfoster, well it's not about the space; I was just trying to understand why it's happening
[12:03] <Syntux> MSohail, maybe you should ask in #Ubuntu-Motu
[12:04] <Lynoure> Syntux: I hope this casted some light on that. I started thinking it would be nice if there was something showing a dependency map, but I'm probably too lazy to make such a tool
[12:04] <MSohail> ok Syntux... i'll try there, thanks
[12:05] <Dragnslcr> Anybody know much about Bluetooth keyboard/mouse? Mine lose the connection after being idle for a short time. I think I had this problem when I upgraded to 7.10 as well, but I don't remember how I fixed it
[12:06] <TheInfinity> hello ... one prob with hardy ... my girlfriend has a r60 with kubuntu hardy. before i had gutsy -> no dvb-t, then suse -> dvb-t, but no apt. now i changed to hardy - and everything works - except: i cant shut down with kde gui
[12:06] <TheInfinity> just via shutdown / reboot in bash
[12:07] <TheInfinity> any ideas where i could search for a reason why this happens?
[12:08] <IppatsuMan> Lynoure: there is a software that analyzes dependecies for a package (and optionally draws a map using dot), it's apt-rdepends
[12:09] <Lynoure> IppatsuMan: Thanks, I tried seaching with dependency graph, but no luck
[12:19] <Syntux> Lynoure, Thank you, anyway I will find an alternative until I find a way of installing basket and only basket :-) even the source install requiring those packages.
[12:19] <bradleyh> hi all. i just installed Linux Mint 4.0. seemed to work fine until i installed the ATI drivers for my Radeon 9800 XT card. now when i run compiz i get a white screen and need to ctrl+alt+backspace to get back to the login screen. anyone know how to fix the white screen? thanks :>
[12:20] <Lynoure> Syntux: seams like a tall order, unless you want someone to wrap them up into a single package for you...
[12:20] <Syntux> Lynoure, I will try to repackage it without all of the weird requirements, although I'm a KDE noob.
[12:20] <Lynoure> Syntux: it's a kde app, uses pim stuff, and so requires the pim stuff. There is no stripped down version
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> bradleyh- probably want to ask in #compiz-fusion
[12:22] <Lynoure> Syntux: Let me know if you succeed, I'm not really developing Basket, but a hangaround of some sort (hoping to find the time for the coding some day)
[12:22] <antoine_> salut
[12:22] <bradleyh> Dragnslcr: thanks!
[12:23] <Syntux> sure :-)
[12:25] <antoine_> hi all : i've got a problem with kubuntu hardy : /  sometimes the computer just freez and i'm unable to do anything except hard reboot
[12:25] <antoine_> i don't use beryl or anything
[12:26] <antoine_> i guess i'm not the lonely one who gets that problem but it seems that french support isn't really abble to help me :'
[12:26] <antoine_> (
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> You could try looking through /var/log to see if there are any log messages about why the computer is locking up
[12:28] <antoine_> okay Dragnslcr i'm on it :p
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> In my experience, a sudden lockup is a hardware problem. Often an overheating CPU or GPU
[12:29] <antoine_> yeah it seems to be a gpu problem (as far i can find something interresting on the french forum)
[12:30] <antoine_> i'm not very familiar with linux and there's a bunch of files in the directory /var/log , wich might interrest you?
[12:32] <sakui> hi
[12:32] <antoine_> hello sakui
[12:32] <Sakui> I just installed kubuntu
[12:33] <Sakui> how are you?
[12:33] <antoine_> fine :) got a couple of problems =)
[12:33] <Sakui> oh
[12:33] <Sakui> like what?
[12:34] <antoine_> like a freez problem ^
[12:34] <Sakui> I love gentoo, but I needed something easier than gentoo to install.
[12:35] <antoine_> well i just fighted during one week to install kubuntu and i m happy it's over :p
[12:35] <Sakui> it took me like an hour to install
[12:36] <antoine_> i had an hard disk error
[12:36] <Sakui> ouch
[12:36] <antoine_> something like my ntfs partition was completely messed up
[12:36] <Sakui> had windows xp?
[12:36] <antoine_> i then tried wubi : that killed totally my comp :p
[12:36] <antoine_> yep
[12:36] <Sakui> oh
[12:36] <antoine_> happily i saved my work with an usb key and the live cd
[12:37] <Sakui> hehe
[12:37] <antoine_> yeah something like two weeks of work :(
[12:37] <Sakui> conputer hardware is super cheap anymore.
[12:38] <Sakui> do you know alot about kubuntu?
[12:38] <antoine_> not really i had to read a lot to fix some of my probs but i only use it for a month
[12:38] <antoine_> (i'm not english so if you don't understand what i say ... ask :p)
[12:40] <Sakui> i guess I can kiss flash goodbye
[12:40] <antoine_> bye
[12:41] <Dragnslcr> Sakui- Flash works fine on the 32-bit version
[12:41] <Dragnslcr> Getting it working on the 64-bit version is a pain, but blame Adobe for that
[12:42] <Sakui> i thought flash was gonna be opensource now?
[12:42] <antoine_> i'm off see you
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> And that was announced when?
[12:43] <Sakui> lemme find out.
[12:49] <Sakui> i guess I can't find it
[12:49] <Sakui> grr
[12:55] <Sakui> if I download some deb files, how do I install them?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Sakui, right click on the deb file, open with then choose deb installer
[12:56] <Odd-rationale> Sakui: double click
[12:59] <cradle> Somebody can help me? I have Ubuntu 7.04, woking at gnome. I have kopete messenger. Trouble: There is no sound in kopete
[13:00] <cradle> artsd is working, in sound setting ALSA selected
[13:02] <BluesKaj> cradle, ask in #ubuntu
[13:09] <cradle> BluesKaj: they are donnow))
[13:10] <BluesKaj> cradle , try #kopete
[13:11] <cradle> thx
[13:15] <dthacker> !flash
[13:35] <milan_> halo ljudi imal koga
[13:36] <friedchips> :)
[13:36] <friedchips> lokalac
[13:36] <friedchips> poz
[13:36] <milan_> da
[13:36] <milan_> poz i tebi
[13:36] <Jucato> English only in here
[13:37] <khandi> hello
[13:38] <khandi> i have problems trying to connect my new 500Gb external usb harddrive in kubuntu
[13:38] <khandi> can anyone help me?
[13:38] <khandi> it says permission denied...
[13:38] <khandi> it is probably some error in my fstab
[13:39] <khandi> http://pastebin.com/d478e68b0
[13:39] <khandi> my fstab
[13:40] <khandi> i have problems trying to connect my new 500Gb external usb harddrive in kubuntu, http://pastebin.com/d478e68b0 thanks in advance
[13:40] <jhutchins_lt> what filesystem?
[13:40] <khandi> ntfs
[13:40] <jhutchins_lt> !repeat
[13:40] <khandi> and i like to keep it that way
[13:40] <milan_> install ntfs3g
[13:41] <jhutchins_lt> !ntfs-3g | khandi
[13:43] <khandi> ok will try
[13:45] <Dr_willis> 'do or do not, there is no try, young jedi' :)
[13:46] <Dr_willis> I normally install ntfs-3g and the ntfs-config tool myself. :) run the 'kdesu ntfs-config ' tool and check the right check box's also.
[13:46] <Dr_willis> nnl
[13:46] <Dr_willis> Brb.
[13:48] <khandi> lol after doing things i did mount -a and it says: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[13:48] <khandi> wtf does that mean? lol
[13:49] <khandi> anyway it works now :D thanks people
[13:50] <koshie> Salut à tous
[13:51] <koshie> Je suis actuellement en train de tester Kubuntu et j'ai un soucis avec Kopete, il se crache et j'ai l'erreur 11, sur google il parle d'un problème avec la version 64bits mais moi je suis en 32bits et même après ré-installation avec purge y'a un crash, quelqu'un peut-il m'aider s'il vous plaît?
[13:51] <RurouniJones> !fr | koshie
[13:52] <koshie> Oh sorry :x
[13:52] <RurouniJones> No problem
[13:52] <koshie> I've not see :P
[13:52] <koshie> But maybe you can help me =)
[13:52] <RurouniJones> S'ok, we don't expect people to know :)
[13:52] <koshie> I want to use Kopete on Ubuntu 7.10 but he crash with the error 11, and i've not the solution with google ! I'm in 32bits
[13:52] <RurouniJones> I am not a kubuntu expert. I have no idea why kopete is crashing
[13:52] <koshie> on Kubuntu sorry
[13:53] <koshie> okay
[13:53] <RurouniJones> Try the french channel, if they can't help them post the question in here again later. Maybe someone willknow
[13:53] <koshie> Yeah i've trying this
[13:53] <koshie> i'm*
[14:09] <kikin> hola
[14:09] <teodor> i am from Bulgaria
[14:10] <koshie> hi
[14:10] <kikin> hi, i'm mexican
[14:10] <teodor> hi
[14:10] <koshie> French =P
[14:10] <teodor> no.sorry
[14:10] <koshie> French rulz \o/
[14:10] <RurouniJones> Anyone know any widgets or desktop SNMP monitoring and reportin apps?
[14:10] <Jucato> hm..
[14:14] <BigBadWolf> http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png
[14:16] <picsou> cool ubuntu
[14:17] <BluesKaj> RurouniJones, kde4 ?
[14:18] <rignes> Hello.
[14:18] <RurouniJones> kde3 at the moment
[14:18] <RurouniJones> but I wil be going to 4/1 when it is stable
[14:19] <rignes> Anyone else notice that rc.local doesn't seem to run hin hardy?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> well, if ya like widgets 4 is the way to go ....personally I can live without them
[14:20] <Dr_willis> rignes,  never noticed. :)
[14:20] <RurouniJones> I have seen sKli for snmp aimed at printers
[14:20] <BluesKaj> rignes, it appears not to , but the word is to leave it alone for now
[14:20] <Dr_willis> rignes,  you did put the commands BEFOR the 'exit 0' command ?
[14:20] <RurouniJones> BluesKaj: I don't need widget per se, an app that sits in the running applications panel and pops stuff up would be fine.
[14:20] <rignes> Yup.
[14:21] <rignes> everything is before exit 0
[14:21] <Dr_willis> Oh so rc.local is actually broken eh? BluesKaj
[14:21] <rignes> It run fine when you run sudo /etc/init.d/rc.local but not during startup.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, not sure but one of the more knowledgeable guys here (forgot who) answered the same question yesterday , so I just regurgitated :)
[14:22] <Dr_willis> thats weird.  I recall someone last week trying to get rc.local to work also.
[14:23] <rignes> I've found hits in forums mentioning it but not any real fixes.
[14:23] <Dr_willis> one has to wonder how it could break :)  how complex can that service script be.
[14:25] <eml> Hi! How can I make k3b able to convert mp3s into wav? I'm trying to burn an audio cd
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> !find k3b
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> eml: install libk3b2-extracodecs
[14:26] <eml> E: Couldn't find package libk3b2-extracodecs
[14:27] <eml> libk3b2-mp3 <- ah
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> eml: run this command then "apt-cache search k3b | grep mp3"
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok
[14:27] <eml> Hmm, already newest version
[14:28] <eml> Oh... working... heh. Wonder why it didn't work
[14:28] <eml> :)
[14:28] <eml> Thanks anyways!
[14:28] <rignes> Dr_willis: Sorry I didn't reply.  I'm on a public wifi and keep dropped connection. :(
[14:31] <MSohail> can anyone advice how i can alter debian/rules to include jingle support?
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> in what program?
[14:32] <MSohail> sorry i didn't mention
[14:32] <MSohail> its kopete
[14:33] <MSohail> but i think i'll have to compile the entire kdenetwork package
[14:33] <MSohail> and i am working on hardy so the version is 3.5.9
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> MSohail: I'm not sure, but you should  just compile kopete manually... without bothering with the deb
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> it'd make it easier
[14:33] <MSohail> the reason is version maintenance
[14:33] <MSohail> and i can copy it across other machines without downloading all the dev stuff
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> ah... then use checkinstall on it
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> !checkinstall
[14:34] <MSohail> yes i know about that
[14:34] <MSohail> but i was thinking of using dpkg-buildpackage
[14:34] <trident523> Hm, how would I go about disabling compiz at boot for kde4 only?
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> MSohail: don't think many of us here know about that... sorry about that. try #ubuntu-motu
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> trident523: I knew someone ask that eventually
[14:36] <trident523> nosrednaekim: Why? Because it's buggier than july?
[14:36] <MSohail> ok. thanks nosrednaekim
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> trident523: what you have to do is disable it within the desktop-effects manager and use fusion-icon
[14:37]  * trident523 dosen't know what either of those are, nosrednaekim.
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> trident523: ok... how did you get compiz running in kde3? manually installed it?
[14:37] <trident523> nosrednaekim: I installed kubuntu over ubuntu, installed the packages, and ran compiz --replace.
[14:38] <trident523> installed the packages for compizfusion*
[14:38] <Dr_willis> kde4 dosent use compiz. so whats to disable?
[14:38] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> ok... and it still starts compiz automaticly when you log into kde4? did you ever run "compiz --replace" within kde4?
[14:39]  * trident523 had it enabled before installing KDE, and it's enabled now, and it dosen't work well.
[14:39] <trident523> nosrednaekim: Possibly, I forgot if I did, and yes, it does start with compiz.
[14:39] <Dr_willis> for kde4  or kde3 ?
[14:39] <MSohail> !debian/rules
[14:40] <trident523> Dr_willis: kde4. I'll try asking -kde4 too.
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> trident523: I see, what you need to do is run "kwin --replace" within kde4 and then go to systemsettings->advanced-> sessions and tell it to save the session on log out.
[14:42]  * trident523 dosen't see a "save session on logout" option under session manager. It only offers to restore previous session.
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> uh yeah... that :)
[14:42] <trident523> nosrednaekim: Kay, thanks!
[14:42] <BluesKaj> strange for some reason medibubtu doesn't have the libk3b2-mp3 pkg in it's repos , where is it available ?
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> the bot is not around for some odd reason... or it would tell you
[14:44] <BonesolTeraDyne> Um... BluesKaj, what version of Kubuntu are you using. I can install it without the medibutnu repos in Gutsy
[14:44] <BonesolTeraDyne> ?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> BonesolTeraDyne, Hardy here
[14:45] <BonesolTeraDyne> So, gutsy has it in the defualt repos, but not hardy? Okay... That's odd...
[14:46] <MSohail> yes BonesolTeraDyne ... it is remarked even on kubuntuguide.org
[14:47] <gnomefreak> what pacakge?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> package even
[14:47] <groom> hi
[14:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I think its libk3b2-extracodecs in hardy
[14:48] <gnomefreak> libk3b2-extracodecs - The KDE cd burning application library - extra decoders
[14:49] <gnomefreak> its in universe
[14:49] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, it's in the medibuntu pool repos as a deb pkg : http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/k/k3b/
[14:49] <BonesolTeraDyne> nosrednaekim: That package exists in Gutsy as well. It's description says that it conains libs for the mp3 and FFMPEG decoding plugin.
[14:49] <gnomefreak> its in hardy
[14:50] <BonesolTeraDyne> s/conains/contains
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> gnomefreak: BluesKaj is lookin for libk3b2-mp3 though....
[14:50] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:51] <BluesKaj> libk3b2-extracodecs is it , i installed the extra codecs and it remove the deb package , so i guess that's the way to go
[14:52] <superhgg_> Hi all.. i am new to kubuntu and installed it just yesterday.. i am facing a problem...
[14:52] <trident523> !ask | superhgg_
[14:52]  * trident523 gets overzelous sometimes.
[14:53] <superhgg_> Sorry.. here goes.. i have 2 multimedia devices in my pc..
[14:53] <superhgg_> one is the onboard card..
[14:53] <superhgg_> and the other is the creative sound card in PCI
[14:54] <superhgg_> when i open my mplayer.. it defaults to the first onboard card.. and i am not able to hear sound..
[14:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> !enter | superhgg_
[14:54] <BluesKaj> superhgg_, the best thing to do is make just one your default soundcard
[14:54] <superhgg_> that is the question .. how do i do that
[14:55] <BluesKaj> superhgg_, in the terminal , asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[14:56] <superhgg_> in pulseaudio /etc/pulse/default.pa , i added "load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0".... now it works...
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> "asoundconf" list to see what the name is
[14:56] <superhgg_> is this the correct thing to do..
[14:56] <BluesKaj> superhgg_, to find the names of your soundcards , either do an lscpi or lspci | grep audio , in the terminal
[14:56] <superhgg_> i tried the asoundconf thing earlier.. but that did not work
[14:57] <BluesKaj> lookk for "audio controller" or similar
[14:57] <superhgg_> @inferno:/movies$ asoundconf list
[14:57] <superhgg_> Names of available sound cards:
[14:57] <superhgg_> nForce2
[14:57] <superhgg_> AudioPCI
[14:58] <superhgg_> i tried asoundconf set-default-card AudioPCI.. but that did not work... should i manually write some other file?
[14:59] <superhgg_> but like i was saying earlier.. i added a line to pulseaudio default.pa and restarted pulseaudio.. it starts working
[14:59] <axel> Hello! Some questions how to use subversion (SVN) and ksvn in particular: How to create a (new) branch? How to get files into this new branch? (just copy with e.g. konqueror?) And: How to merge a branch into the trunk?
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> but that was for Ubuntu...
[15:00] <trident523> axel: Have you looked at the help files?
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> axel: I think you need to read a SVN man page or a web tutorial
[15:01] <superhgg_> so i guess.. since it is working.. i shouldnt be complaining.. :) .. another doubt.. how do i know the root passwd of my box ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> superhgg_, pls read what ppl are telling you , lspci in the terminal will tell you the name and model of your soundcard and then you need to set the default using this command including the quotes, asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> superhgg_, you need to set it, technically you udont need it as you can sudo everything
[15:03] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:04] <superhgg_> i had tried that already.. i had tried 'asoundconf set-default-card AudioPCI' .. should i try something else... my lspci | grep audio gives "
[15:04] <superhgg_> 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[15:04] <superhgg_> 01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)
[15:04] <axel> trident523 & nosrednaekim: I think it would be best just trying it - after making a backup. ;)
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> axel: just trying what? you have no idea what you are doing
[15:04] <superhgg_> yep.. that was what i was doing.. sudo everything.. but how do i change root passwd.. and if i do that.. will anyof my apps stop working?
[15:05] <trident523> axel: SVN is not a backup system.
[15:05] <stdin> !noroot
[15:05] <trident523> axel: Infact, backing up files on SVN is very very redundant.
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> superhgg_, ok so you have an onboard sounccard im guessing
[15:06] <axel> trident523: I am making a backup of the working copy and the repository before I perform any changes. I do not use SVN for making backups.
[15:07] <superhgg_> yes.. i have an onboard soundcard.. which is the default.. but my speakers are connected to the other one..
[15:07] <trident523> axel: Kay, I guess. SVN still gives me the willies anyhow.
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> superhgg_: can't you disable the onboard in the BIOS?
[15:08] <superhgg_> oh.. i dont know that.. i could try that.. i never thought about that...
[15:08] <superhgg_> mine is a pretty old box.. nearly 5 yrs old..
[15:09] <BluesKaj> superhgg_, asoundconf set-default-card "Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI "
[15:09] <superhgg_> hope the old bios's support that.. anywauy will try that
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> superhgg_, makes life easier
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> superhgg_, if you can turn off the redundant card it makes config way easier
[15:10] <superhgg_> yes.. that is a really good idea.. will try that on reboot
[15:16] <ccca2> yo
[15:16] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: welcome!
[15:16] <ccca2> can someone help me _
[15:17] <ccca2> ?
[15:17] <ccca2> with kubuntu 7.10
[15:17] <trident523> !ask | ccca2
[15:17] <ccca2> oh ok
[15:18] <ccca2> well, i just installed kubuntu 7.10, and was wondering, After i download Wine HQ, i get the file to my desktop, but how do i install it _
[15:18] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: what type of file is it?
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> !packages
[15:19] <ccca2> .tar.bz2
[15:19] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: Are you trying to install wine?
[15:19] <trident523> ccca2: You can run a command that installs stuff... and automatically downloads it too. run "sudo apt-get install wine" in the terminal.
[15:19] <primora> hi
[15:19] <Odd-rationale> primora: welcome!
[15:19] <primora> i am trying to fetch updates using adept
[15:19] <primora> it isnt updating my list
[15:19] <ccca2> where do i find the Terminal window?
[15:20] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: kmenu --> system --> konsole
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> ccca2: kmenu->system I think
[15:20] <primora> it shows 100% complete but I cant seem to find subversion or firefox
[15:20] <primora> ccca2: Alt+F2
[15:20] <primora> Type konsole
[15:20] <primora> press enter
[15:20] <Odd-rationale> primora: does the same happen in apt-get/aptitude?
[15:20] <primora> yes
[15:20] <Odd-rationale> when you update
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> ccca2: but there are package managers as well, such as adept, which makes installing packages easier
[15:21] <ccca2> it says "Sudo" password for xxxxx:<< when i try to write something, it wont type anything
[15:21] <primora> Odd-rationale: last line in apt-get update shows this
[15:21] <primora> Reading package lists... Done
[15:21] <primora> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[15:21] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: you are suppose to type in you password
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> ccca2, if you want a sweet terminal install yakuake, then its accesible with the hot key of your choice
[15:21] <Odd-rationale> primora: maybe your mirror is down
[15:21] <ccca2> odd: i know, but it wont let me type anything
[15:22] <trident523> ccca2: Actually, it is. It dosen't show your password, for security.
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> ccca2, and it drops down like the console in quake / CStrike etc
[15:22] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: It is typing, you just won't see anything
[15:22] <primora> Odd-rationale: can you suggest any other mirror
[15:22] <ccca2> oh
[15:22] <primora> i am using the default mirrors
[15:22] <Odd-rationale> primora: us?
[15:22] <primora> Odd-rationale: asia
[15:22] <trident523> ccca2: backspace a little, and try again, and hit enter.
[15:23] <ccca2> it says "e: couldnt find package wine"
[15:23] <Odd-rationale> primora: dunno then. the easynews mirror in the us worked great for me. the default was overloaded. Alothough by now it should have cleared up///
[15:23] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: is this a new install
[15:23] <Odd-rationale> ?
[15:23] <ccca2> yes
[15:23] <ccca2> i just finished installing... about 10 minutes ago
[15:23] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: then do "sudo apt-get update" first
[15:24] <ccca2> ok the update should be done
[15:24] <primora> Odd-rationale: could u give the url please
[15:24] <borges> Olá Pedro.
[15:24] <borges> Como vai?
[15:24] <ccca2> odd: what do i do now?
[15:24] <Odd-rationale> ccca2: then try again
[15:24] <trident523> ccca2: Okay, try running "sudo apt-get install wine"
[15:24] <ccca2> still says the same thing
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> primora: go into adept->adept->manage repositories and select a new mirror
[15:24] <borges> Are you a brazilian?
[15:25] <Odd-rationale> primora: nosrednaekim beat me to it...
[15:25] <stdin> !br | borges
[15:25] <nosrednaekim> ccca2: ok, go into adept_manager ->adept->manage repositories and check them all on
[15:26] <ccca2> ok its downloading :)
[15:26] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: you like the gui way dont you ;) I was just about to ask to edit his sources.lst....
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: not always... but thats just too easy to pass up :)
[15:28] <eduardo> Hola, tengo problemas con kaffeine, no puedo leer dvd's ya instale libdvdcss2 y w32codecs y kaffeine trata de instalar un paquete pero la direccion url no responde o no la encuentra. ¿alguien podria ayudarme?
[15:28] <Odd-rationale> !es | eduardo
[15:28] <primora> Odd-rationale: its shows lots of malformed release files
[15:28] <Odd-rationale> primora: what is that?
[15:30] <will00> would a network connection be severly limited by a long (30+ foot) network cable?
[15:30] <ccca2> ok, i got wine now, and i want to download win/live messenger, how do i do this? and how do i use it with wine? can someone tell please :)
[15:30] <ccca2> will00: yes
[15:30] <eduardo> ok, I also can do it in english, I have problems with Kaffeine, I installed libcss2 and w32codecs, but kaffeine when started tries to connect to a url that doesn't response or doesnt find, somebody could help me?
[15:31] <will00> ccca2: would it affect the entire network or just the computer its connected to?
[15:31] <Odd-rationale> !wine
[15:31] <primora> Odd-rationale: entries like Failed to fetch http://ftp.citylink.co.nz/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[15:31] <ccca2> will00: the computer its connected to
[15:31] <Odd-rationale> primora: you will have to try serveral mirrors. I have found that many mirror are outdated...
[15:32] <ccca2>  ok, i got wine now, and i want to download win/live messenger, how do i do this? and how do i use it with wine? can someone tell please :)
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> !msn
[15:32] <primora> happened for 3 mirrors now
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> will00: we have 30 foot cables in our house... connectivity is not severly limited
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> and only for that computer of course
[15:33] <will00> nosrednaekim: im using a network cable, idk what kind it is, but would upgrading to cat6 help at all?
[15:33] <kblin> hi folks
[15:33] <kblin> I've got a funny issue with the title bar in konsole on a box I upgraded from 7.10
[15:34]  * nosrednaekim is ready to laugh...
[15:34] <kblin> if I ssh into a remote box, the konsole title bar will update to point out that I'm on a different box
[15:34] <primora> hey kblin
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> will00: IDK the differences between the two TBH
[15:34] <kblin> however, if I log out, the title bar won't change back
[15:35] <kblin> on my new box, where I installed 8.04 from scratch, it works as expected
[15:35] <ccca2> What code do i need to Install Flash in kubuntu?
[15:35] <nosrednaekim> kblin: yeah....i've seen that
[15:35] <mrkeishii> how do you install the CCSM?
[15:35] <primora> kblin: konsole not able to update title header
[15:35] <primora> nice
[15:35] <primora> kblin: remember me?
[15:36] <eduardo> Hello, somedoy has experienced problems with kaffeine, I can't read dvd's,...I had already installed libdvdcss2 and w32codecs,...
[15:36] <mrkeishii> how do you install the CCSM?
[15:36] <kblin> primora: not really. should I :)
[15:36] <mrkeishii> I installed the Video driver for my Nvidia
[15:36] <nosrednaekim> ccca2: "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree"
[15:36] <Odd-rationale> mrkeishii: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"
[15:36] <mrkeishii> i downloaded it
[15:36] <mrkeishii> and all
[15:36] <primora> kblin: grrr. I used to wave to you and mithro everyday in #gsoc
[15:37] <mrkeishii> also i enabled the extra effects
[15:37] <mrkeishii> but
[15:37] <mrkeishii> the ccsm does not work
[15:37] <mrkeishii> like i enabled the cub
[15:37] <mrkeishii> cube*
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> primora: try erasing the konsole config files in .kde
[15:37] <mrkeishii> and it does not work
[15:37] <primora> ???
[15:37] <kblin> primora: with that nick?
[15:37] <primora> me
[15:37] <primora> no me
[15:37] <primora> kblin: wait
[15:37]  * nosrednaekim hugs lh and the gsoc crew
[15:37] <krish> now u remember kblin?
[15:38] <mrkeishii> and i look at the initiate buttons and it says Disabled
[15:38] <kblin> krish: ah, now :)
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> mrkeishii: you need to enable "custom effects"
[15:38] <kblin> of course :)
[15:38] <krish> :)
[15:38] <mrkeishii> i did
[15:38] <mrkeishii> then what do i do after that
[15:38] <kblin> nosrednaekim: I tried removing konsolerc, that didn't really change anything
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> mrkeishii: ah... you need to enable it and give it a keyboard shortcut
[15:38] <mrkeishii> oh
[15:38] <mrkeishii> yeah
[15:38] <kblin> it's probably some other setting, though
[15:38] <mrkeishii> what do i do for the cube what did you put?
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> kblin: try .kde/share/apps/konsole
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> mrkeishii: Ctrl+alt+right arrow
[15:39] <mrkeishii> okay
[15:40] <mrkeishii> so basically make up the initiate and other keyboard shortcuts your self right?
[15:40] <nosrednaekim> mrkeishii: you need to enable the "rotate cube" plugin as well BTW
[15:40] <mrkeishii> yes
[15:40] <nosrednaekim> yes
[15:40] <mrkeishii> and i need to put in a keyboard shortcut for that too?
[15:41] <nosrednaekim> well, yess, thats what will rotate the cube
[15:41] <BluesKaj> eduardo, install kubuntu-restricted-extras and libk3b2-extracodecs, and w32codecs as well
[15:42] <eduardo> ok, I will try, thank you very much,...
[15:44] <kblin> nosrednaekim: that dir is empty
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> kblin: ok
[15:46] <kblin> hmm
[15:46] <kblin> waitaminute
[15:47] <kblin> ha
[15:47] <kblin> .bashrc was the guilty one
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> how?
[15:48] <kblin> the new box had a line like "PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD/$HOME/~}\007"'"
[15:48] <kblin> the old one hadn't
[15:49] <kblin> so if I sshed to the new box, it'd change the prompt
[15:49] <kblin> and if I logged out, it wouldn't change back
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> ah
[15:50] <krish> kblin: what about $PS1
[15:50] <krish> after logout
[15:50] <kblin> that was fine
[15:50] <kblin> but my old .bashrc set that as well
[15:51] <krish> kbin: source ~/.bashrc
[15:52] <Arelis> Hello. Is the Kubuntu with KDE 3.5.9 an LTS release?
[15:52] <Arelis> Because if it is.. i'm hopping to Kubuntu
[15:52] <stdin> no
[15:52] <Arelis> aww... too bad.
[15:52] <krish> 3.5.8
[15:52] <krish> and 4.x
[15:52] <Arelis> i meant 3.5.8
[15:53] <Arelis> is that one LTS?
[15:53] <krish> without LTS its 3.5..8
[15:53] <stdin> there is no 8.04 release with 3.5.8
[15:53] <Arelis> Which Kubuntu is LTS?>
[15:53] <krish> i just downloaded ubuntu studio 8.04, no idea about kubuntu
[15:54] <krish> stdin: what is it then?
[15:54] <stdin> Arelis: the last Kubuntu LTS release was Dapper (6.06)
[15:54] <krish> Arelis: non LTS is already 3.5.8
[15:54] <Arelis> (And why do people release the same project with different desktop environments, then make one LTS and the other not? seems even more like they want to force GNOME upon us)
[15:54] <krish> what are you looking for then?
[15:54] <krish> huh
[15:54] <stdin> krish: it comes with 3.5.9
[15:54] <Arelis> krish, Ubuntu Hardy, with KDE, and long time support
[15:54] <krish> 8.04 is LTS
[15:54] <Arelis> yes, but is Kubuntu?
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> !khardy
[15:55] <stdin> Arelis: I just told you the answer
[15:55] <Arelis> 18 months is LTS?
[15:55] <Arelis> !lts
[15:55] <krish> no
[15:55] <krish> 18 isnt LTS
[15:56] <kblin> 18 months is standard for kubuntu, iirc
[15:56] <kblin> seriously, most people who care about LTS run servers
[15:56] <stdin> 18 months is standard for any non-LTS *buntu release
[15:57] <krish> i dont care for LTS or non-LTS on desktop
[15:57] <krish> as long as it is stable
[15:57] <Arelis> I care about stability.
[15:57] <Arelis> I do not need commercial support
[15:57] <RurouniJones> Most people don't. LTS is pretty much for companies
[15:57] <krish> LTS doesnt mean stability
[15:57] <nosrednaekim> Arelis: TBH.... hardy is as stable as gutsy or even dapper was
[15:57] <krish> Arelis: ive been on feisty even though gutsy was released
[15:58] <krish> and my laptop is still on feisty
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> well, saying it was as stable as gutsy isn't saying much :P
[15:58] <kblin> I changed to hardy, and I don't think anything but wine broke
[15:58] <Arelis> nosrednaekim, Heh. I am used to Ubuntu (and any other linux distro) being UNstable, but i'm on my laptop now.
[15:58] <krish> kblin: me changing to hardy soon. .. on other laptop though
[15:58] <kblin> actually wine didn't break, but *ubuntu hardy makes the wine preloader fail
[15:59] <Arelis> nosrednaekim, I prefer KDE over GNOME.
[15:59] <Arelis> nosrednaekim, And recently, I installed Arch Linux just for that
[15:59] <nosrednaekim> Arelis: I haven't had kernel or X crash yet
[15:59] <nosrednaekim> (in hardy)
[15:59] <Arelis> nosrednaekim, (not just for that, by the way)
[15:59] <Arelis> Not on this laptop either.. Don't ask about my main PC
[15:59] <Arelis> Anyway.. should Kubuntu be safe to use?
[15:59] <krish> well my main pc is on kubuntu 7.10 with KDE3.5.8 removed
[16:00] <krish> and KDE 4.0.71 built from trunk
[16:00] <Arelis> When i used kubuntu, it lacked "polish"... Ubuntu had much more developers
[16:00] <Arelis> And is KDE 4 really usable for desktop use?
[16:00] <krish> Arelis: use tag 4.0.2
[16:00] <kblin> Arelis: yes for kubuntu, no for kde4, if you ask me
[16:00] <krish> or wait for 4.1
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> Arelis: I use it... but tis lacking some features
[16:01] <kblin> I'm waiting for that GSoC student to implement MAPI support for Akonadi
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> kblin: my fav gsoc project is chani's.... plasma widgets on the screensaver :)
[16:01] <krish> kblin: all the best
[16:01] <krish> me brb
[16:02] <krish> be right back
[16:02] <frederick> anyone here has tried moblin?
[16:02] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- is that horrible new KMenu going to stay as that default?
[16:03] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: unfortunately, I think so
[16:03] <stdin> Dragnslcr: there is an alternate one pre-installed
[16:03] <kblin> nosrednaekim: I don't care for eye candy much, I just want to see kontact kick the crap out of outlook
[16:03] <nosrednaekim> kblin: thats not eyecandy.... its security (kinda) but yeah same here about outlook :)
[16:03] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I found the "classic" KMenu when I tried 4.0.2, but I don't remember if it worked quite right
[16:04] <stdin> Dragnslcr: it's what I use
[16:04] <Dragnslcr> Might have been fixed in 4.0.3. I never tried it
[16:04] <Odd-rationale> hey, nosrednaekim! will the "desktop effect" be backported to gutsy?
[16:05] <Dragnslcr> Hopefully 4.1.0 will have all of the functionality that 3.5 has
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: no...I don;t think so... but you can install the deb just fine in gutsy (I developed it in gutsy)
[16:05] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: ok
[16:06] <nosrednaekim> though... TBH the effect levels are terrible, I didn't have time to work on that
[16:06] <Dragnslcr> "Desktop effect"?
[16:06] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: easy compiz configuration in kubuntu hardy
[16:07] <Odd-rationale> yeah i know
[16:07] <nosrednaekim> uhh Dragnslcr ^^
[16:07] <Arelis> So is kubuntu kde3 much different than Ubuntu Hardy?
[16:07] <Dragnslcr> Ah
[16:07] <nosrednaekim> its no different from the kde3 version of hardy, no
[16:07] <Odd-rationale> Arelis: hardy has kde as well
[16:07] <Dragnslcr> Last time I had compiz on, I used the regular ccsm