[10:29] <popey> boredandblogging:
[10:29] <popey> oops
[10:30] <popey> boredandblogging: http://www.computeractive.co.uk/personal-computer-world/software/2216997/review-ubuntu-04-lts-operating
[10:30] <popey> nice review for UWN
[11:41] <boredandblogging> popey: thanks


[01:10] <Travis> Hello all
[01:13] <Travis> I am having issues getting my b43 drivers working with Lubuntu.  Can anyone assist me?
[01:20] <holstein> !broadcom
[01:20] <holstein> Travis: thats what i refer to each time
[01:21] <Travis> ok
[01:21] <Travis> I like the idea of total encryption too.
[01:21] <holstein> Travis: ?
[01:21] <Travis> When I installed Lubuntu, it asked if I wanted to encrypt the drive.
[01:21] <holstein> Travis: you can like what you want.. but that doesnt have anything to do with the driver you are going to use
[01:22] <holstein> Travis: that doesnt have anything to do with wireless.. or networking
[01:22] <Travis> I know that.
[01:22] <Travis> Was just stating how much I like it.
[01:22] <holstein> i c
[01:23] <holstein> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer typically works well/best for the broadcom chips i have
[01:23] <Travis> ok I gotta run for a bit, but will be back.
[01:54] <Travis> ok am back :D
[02:40] <Travis> holstein, thanks!
[02:40] <Travis> ubottu, thank you!
[02:40] <Travis> wireless works, after a little RTFM
[04:41] <lukavecki> Hi all, how can I change the names of files on the desktop?
[04:42] <lukavecki> rename doesn't work, and neither does changing the name in the properties dialog (maybe I have to edit the properties as root?)
[04:46] <lukavecki> It appears I have to edit the .desktop file itself.
[04:46] <lukavecki> Not the fanciest solution, but it works
[11:06] <fxn> hi, I have some machines affected by the Ctrl-C bug of lxterminal, is there a way I can install https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/0.1.11-4ubuntu3 ?
[11:17] <nortti> fxn: can't you sue xterm?
[11:20] <fxn> nortti: yep
[11:21] <nortti> *use
[11:21] <fxn> nortti: same problem
[11:21] <fxn> nortti: in xterm I do Ctrl-Shift-C, and a Ctrl-C is sent to the terminal
[11:23] <fxn> then Ctrl-Shift-V appends an spurious character at the end
[11:25] <fxn> ah, xterm does not even copy the text
[11:25] <tsimpson> xterm uses select as copy, and middle-click as paste
[11:28] <fxn> ah, didn't know that, apparently it also works in lxterminal
[11:29] <nortti> it is part of x11
[11:29] <nortti> you can do that in every app
[11:30] <fxn> awesome, don't need the shortcuts with this option then, thanks guys
[13:29] <leszek> hi
[20:55] <superdmp> hello, would anyone happen to know whether the latest version of lubuntu will work on an ancient (PIII) Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300?
[20:55] <bioterror> try with LiveCD if it doesnt support usb boot
[20:55] <Unit193> My guess is that the PIII won't support PAE.
[20:56] <bioterror> Unit193, hard to say, it was used in servers!
[20:56] <superdmp> after the furst Lubuntu screem, it throws up a few lines and ends with "[….] kernel_thread_helper […]"
[20:56] <superdmp> this is from CD
[20:56] <superdmp> what's PAE?
[20:56] <bioterror> !pae
[20:58] <superdmp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087468 - 10.4 worked, apparently
[21:04] <holstein> superdmp: i would try 12.04
[21:05] <superdmp> holstein:  this is 12.04.something that's not booting
[21:06] <superdmp> sorry, that's not right
[21:06] <holstein> superdmp: i would have no issues using a 10.04 version of something on that hardware
[21:06] <superdmp> this is 12.10
[21:06] <holstein> superdmp: i would look into some lubuntu and ubuntu variants such as peppermintOS, puppy linux, bodhi.. something made for older hardware
[21:06] <holstein> superdmp: i would expect 12.10 to fail, where 12.04 might work..
[21:07] <gomiboy> using 12.04 on a p3 800mhz here, works perfec.... works. :)
[21:07] <holstein> yup.. i have had the 12.04 work and the 12.10 fail on similar hardware
[21:08] <superdmp> i'll try 12.04 then thanks
[21:50] <DJRWolf> anyone have experence with lubuntu on a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 and using wi-fi?
[21:53] <holstein> DJRWolf: no.. but im going to assume you have a broadcom chip and its not working
[21:53] <holstein> i would install... and hardware to internet and follow
[21:53] <holstein> !broadcom | DJRWolf
[21:54] <holstein> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on a mini9
[21:57] <DJRWolf> the Dell website says WLAN 1510 Half MiniCard, Dell Wireless 1397
[21:57] <DJRWolf> I booted off of a live media flash drive and it did not even see the wireless as being there
[21:58] <holstein> DJRWolf: you can install, or boot a live CD.. you can run a terminal and run lspci
[21:58] <holstein> DJRWolf: the ones i have seen were a broadcom
[21:59] <holstein> DJRWolf: are you in the live environment now?
[22:06] <DJRWolf> no, somone ealts is looking into installing the factory image of WinXP, but I'll continue to try to push lubuntu to replace that since it is not a 10 year old OS
[22:06] <DJRWolf> thanks for the help, but have to log, later
[23:01] <llogiq> Hi folks. I have a problem w/ gphoto2 on quantal.
[23:03] <llogiq> the camera is correctly identified, and gthumb shows thumbnails correctly, but importing the pictures (via gthumb or pcmanfm) just stops at 0% and stays there. No error message, no logging, nothing.
[23:04] <llogiq> Googling brought up someone with the same problem, but no solution.
[23:10] <llogiq> With gphoto2, it appears to work, so that was probably related to FUSE.
[23:11] <llogiq> cu folks.


[05:51] <Mirv> if any Unity8 devs around, filed a stack publishing preventing bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1220057
[07:18] <dednick> mzanetti: ping
[07:18] <mzanetti> dednick: good morning
[07:18] <dednick> mzanetti: howdy.
[07:19] <dednick> mzanetti: do you know much about object ownership changes passing between c++ & qt?
[07:19] <mzanetti> dednick: you mean QML?
[07:19] <dednick> sorry, yes
[07:20] <dednick> mzanetti: as in passing a (new QObject) back into qml.
[07:20] <mzanetti> dednick: there are some QML components which take ownership of the objects if they don't have another parent yet
[07:20] <dednick> mzanetti: is that only with QMLComponent, or QQuickItem as well?
[07:21] <mzanetti> QQuickItems as well.
[07:21] <mzanetti> dednick: so if you just do a new QObject() and put it somewhere into a view, the view will set itself as parent
[07:22] <dednick> mzanetti: QObject as well?
[07:23] <dednick> doesnt seem to be happening for me :(
[07:23] <dednick> not even with a QQuickItem
[07:26] <dednick> mzanetti: do you know it it works with qml properties ?
[07:27] <dednick> mzanetti: like "property Item action: menu.getAction(...)"
[07:27] <dednick> where getAction returns new object
[07:28] <mzanetti> dednick: no. in that case I don't think its reparented
[07:28] <dednick> mzanetti: hm. ok
[07:28] <dednick> mzanetti: thanks. guess that would be my problem then :)
[07:28] <larsu> dednick: morning :)
[07:28] <dednick> larsu: hey :)
[07:29] <dednick> larsu: just talking about your code.
[07:29] <larsu> dednick: yep, just read that
[07:29] <mzanetti> dednick: you need it to be reparented?
[07:29] <larsu> dednick: so the problem is basically that I'm parenting the actions to the model?
[07:30] <dednick> larsu: yep. but also the way we work it in qml using a property doesnt change the owner of the object
[07:30] <dednick> mzanetti: yep
[07:30] <larsu> dednick: but surely it does js-style ref counting?
[07:31] <dednick> larsu: apparently not.
[07:31] <dednick> larsu: i removed the parent in the function, but they're not being deleted.
[07:31] <mzanetti> dednick: you really sure about that? I mean... if c++ code does a "new"... you really want it to "get lost" in javascript?
[07:31] <dednick> larsu: the js counting only works within js functions i think
[07:32] <larsu> dednick: ah, this is what I'm trying right now as well. Sigh.
[07:32] <dednick> mzanetti: yeah, i would prefer that we left delete responsibility to what creates them, but it sticks around forever.
[07:33] <mzanetti> dednick: well. if its about the cleanup you could do something like this: MyQMLItem { Componet.onDestruction: myCppObj.destroy() }
[07:33] <mzanetti> which will call deleteLater() on QObject iirc
[07:34] <dednick> mzanetti: the property can change as well. so those will be lost.
[07:36] <larsu> dednick: I guess we need something like this: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qqmlengine.html#setObjectOwnership
[07:37] <mzanetti> interesting...
[07:37] <dednick> larsu: http://qt-project.org/wiki/SharedPointersAndQmlOwnership . but i dont think it applies in this case
[07:39] <dednick> larsu: as far as i've read Q_INVOKABLE funcions have the ownership set to JavaScriptOwnership, but maybe that isnt the case...
[07:40] <larsu> dednick: right, so we shouldn't have to call setOwnership explicitely
[07:41] <dednick> larsu: from my understanding
[07:41] <dednick> larsu: guess we could give it a go and see if it changes things
[07:41] <dednick> larsu: maybe using them on a property setter is behaving differently under this circumstance.
[07:41] <larsu> dednick: I'm trying right now
[07:43] <larsu> dednick: nope, same problem
[07:44] <dednick> larsu: ok, i think having the index property may be the best option.  Question: do you ever call the get(index) method to get a raw ApplicationInfo object?
[08:25] <mzanetti> greyback: I don't think I need it, no
[08:25] <greyback> mzanetti: because I'm wondering why we have that ApplicationInfo class at all. I'm thinking it should be an implementation detail, not something that needs to be given to QML in any way (which get() does)
[08:25] <mzanetti> greyback: why that?
[08:26] <greyback> mzanetti: well get() returns the ApplicationInfo object. The only place that's needed is for focusApp() and stopApp(). Why not instead just always use appId as the unique identifier, not at times using a appId, other times using ApplicationInfo*
[08:27] <mzanetti> greyback: so if you want to pass stuff on to somewhere else you need to pass all the 5 strings separately
[08:28] <greyback> mzanetti: do you need to do that? As I don't
[08:28] <mzanetti> greyback: actually I intended to pass the ApplicationInfo object to the launcher plugin and have all the data in there. without the need of starting to parse .dekstop files again
[08:28] <mzanetti> greyback: not really the get() method, but as parameter in applicationFocused
[08:28] <greyback> mzanetti: ok I see what you're doing
[08:28] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I'm not really sure what you mean by this: * it breaks the narrowMode decision. Try opening the search field and drag it smaller/bigger and compare that to trunk
[08:29] <greyback> mzanetti: yes then you find it useful. Okay, will think a bit more
[08:30] <mzanetti> greyback: not that I would _really_ need it. but it feels like a good idea to minimize parsing the file system
[08:30] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: just try it :)
[08:31] <greyback> mzanetti: no true. Having 1 object that has all the data from the desktop file ready internally, that can be shared around, makes sense
[08:32] <mzanetti> greyback: which still leaves one question open
[08:32] <mzanetti> greyback: I'd need to link the applicationinfo implementation in the launcher plugin
[08:32] <mzanetti> not really sure yet how to do that
[08:37] <greyback> mzanetti: yep. Is do-able, will see once implementation done & working.
[08:37] <sil2100> bregma: hi!
[08:38] <sil2100> bregma: we have a serious unity AP problem that's blocking the unity from releasing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1219636
[08:38] <sil2100> bregma: it most probably doesn't happen all the time, but frequently
[08:54] <larsu> dednick: ah there you are. I'm almost done rewriting that patch.
[08:54] <dednick> larsu: cool
[09:47] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, any idea who would know more about those icon themes?
[09:47] <nic-doffay> I'd like to get to the bottom of why certain icons aren't available for me.
[09:50] <larsu> dednick: something's totally off now, UnityMenuAction instances aren't even created for me anymore :(
[09:50] <larsu> nic-doffay: it looks like the gicon image provider has been removed?!
[09:51]  * larsu only judges by all the warnings he's seeing
[09:51] <dednick> larsu: can you push your branch to junk or something?
[09:51] <nic-doffay> larsu, there are so many image related warnings I lose track >_<
[09:51] <larsu> nic-doffay: right :( Let's fix them!
[09:51] <nic-doffay> larsu, some icons are still available though...
[09:52] <nic-doffay> eg "search" is available.
[09:52] <larsu> dednick: I'm doing a clean rebuild now, maybe I messed something up. Will push after that
[09:54] <nic-doffay> larsu, any idea who to talk to about this?
[09:54] <larsu> nic-doffay: I'm afraid that would be me
[09:54] <larsu> I'll be looking into this after I fixed that issue for dednick
[09:56] <nic-doffay> larsu, cool :P
[10:00] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: was in a meeting...
[10:00] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, no worries
[10:00] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: well... what does dpkg -L ubuntu-mobile-icons give you?
[10:00] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, that's the thing a lot of icons.
[10:02] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, majority of those work.
[10:02] <nic-doffay> filters didn't though.
[10:02] <nic-doffay> (ive tried skype and other random picks before)
[10:02] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: and is the "filter" icon listed in there?
[10:03] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, it's not.
[10:03] <mzanetti> dednick: way better :)
[10:03] <nic-doffay> But I was wondering how you got it?
[10:03] <larsu> dednick: I pushed it to lp:~/qmenumodel/use-full-action-name.
[10:03] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: apt-cache policy ubuntu-mobile-icon
[10:03] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: apt-cache policy ubuntu-mobile-icons
[10:03] <dednick> larsu: ta
[10:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, mine's 13.04+13.10.20130812-0ubuntu1
[10:04] <larsu> dednick: there might be some bugs in there still, I can 't test it because I'm getting that qml error:
[10:04] <dednick> mzanetti: you mean the checkbox?
[10:04] <larsu> file:///home/lars/src/unity8/unitymenumodel.messages/builddir/plugins/Unity/Indicators/Messaging/MessageMenuItemFactory.qml:136: TypeError: Cannot read property 'valid' of null
[10:04] <dednick> larsu: ok
[10:04] <mzanetti> dednick: yes :)
[10:06] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: please paste both, the complete output of "apt-cache policy ubuntu-mobile-icons" and "dpkg -L ubuntu-mobile-icons"
[10:06] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: and your code where you try to use the Icon with the filter icon
[10:06] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the code is simple
[10:06] <nic-doffay> I just reference use the icon name.
[10:06] <nic-doffay> Without the type suffix.
[10:07] <nic-doffay> That works for the other icons in that package.
[10:07] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I know its simple. yet you must have a mistake somewhere.... otherwise it would work
[10:07] <larsu> nic-doffay: what are the exact icons uris you are using?
[10:08] <mzanetti> larsu: the Icon {} component has some magic... it has a property "name" which refers to an icon name, withouth e.g. image:// and file type extension
[10:09] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, here's everything. https://pastebin.canonical.com/96734/
[10:09] <larsu> mzanetti: I know, but it seems to be doing the right thing afaics
[10:09] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, filter is there.
[10:10] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: what happens if you remove the color property?
[10:10] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, nothing.
[10:11] <mzanetti> but I've changed the code here to be exactly this. and it works
[10:13] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, changed it to exactly what?
[10:14] <larsu> nic-doffay: QIcon::fromTheme() returns an empty icon for "filter"
[10:14] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: http://paste.kde.org/p8a71429e
[10:14] <larsu> nic-doffay: so it's not a problem with your code at all
[10:15] <nic-doffay> larsu, yeah as I suspected.
[10:15] <nic-doffay> But what differs between myself and mzanetti's setup?
[10:15] <nic-doffay> This is what I'd like to find out.
[10:16] <nic-doffay> larsu, I mean the filters icon is clearly visible after dpkg -L ubuntu-mobile-icons
[10:16] <nic-doffay> And I've used other icons there as a test.
[10:16] <larsu> nic-doffay: are you on the desktop or on the phone? Most likely, the theme name is wrong.
[10:17] <larsu> ya, it works if I set the theme name manually
[10:18] <larsu> unity8 should set this if the platform abstraction thingy doesn't
[10:18] <larsu> dednick: are you seeing the same error?
[10:18] <dednick> larsu: nope
[10:19] <dednick> just testing on phone now
[10:19] <larsu> dednick: hm. Any idea why I could be running into that? It makes it really hard to test :) (and there's no other error about not being able to load the UnityMenuAction type)
[10:19] <dednick> larsu: you maybe left the UnityMenuActions as getAction in the messaging menu factor
[10:19] <nic-doffay> larsu, currently off the desktop.
[10:20] <larsu> dednick: no, I triple-checked and rebuilt the whole thing from scratch
[10:20] <larsu> nic-doffay: there's your problem, then :)
[10:21] <dednick> larsu: revert changes to unity8 and apply http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6058425/
[10:21] <larsu> nic-doffay: changing your icon theme won't work though, because unity8 doesn't pick it up
[10:21] <dednick> larsu: then ./build && ./run from source
[10:21] <dednick> s/source/source dir
[10:22] <larsu> nic-doffay: basically, someone needs to call QIcon::setThemeName("ubuntu-mobile") at some point
[10:22] <larsu> dednick: ya, this is what I have as well
[10:22] <dednick> larsu: hm.
[10:24] <larsu> dednick: does sending replies work for you now?
[10:25] <dednick> larsu: not sure how to test that without phone. which i'm still updating at the moment.
[10:25] <dednick> larsu: it's getting through to the muxer at least.
[10:26] <larsu> dednick: and you're not getting those error messages? /me is thoroughly confused
[10:26] <dednick> larsu: but the UnityAction.isValid doesnt seem to be working.
[10:26] <greyback> mzanetti: hey, I need your opinion. In shell, I want to use QSortFilterProxyModel to filter the running applications list to get list of running sidestage apps. If I want to focus one of those side-stage apps, right now I need its Application pointer.
[10:27] <greyback> mzanetti: To get that I need to use get(i) where i is the index in the original model, not the filtered model. But I don't think we've implemented anything like the mapToSource() method on AbstractProxyModel
[10:28] <greyback> mzanetti: Or I could change the api in unity-apis, so that focus uses the appId, not the Application pointer
[10:28] <greyback> mzanetti: or I could add a role to the model which returns the Application pointer
[10:28] <larsu> dednick: oh, so the UnityMenuAction _is_ being created, but the replyAction property is still null
[10:29] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, can you clarify one of you review comments for me?
[10:30] <mzanetti> greyback: roles that return pointers might be problematic
[10:30] <greyback> mzanetti: yeah, it's my least favourite option
[10:30] <dednick> larsu: i think your fullActionName may be acting up. the toUtf8() is returning a QByteArray, which i think is being destroyed after the call to constData(), so the mem is no longer valid.
[10:30] <mzanetti> greyback: changing all api's to use appId except having a get(appId) to get the appInfo pointer sounds ok...
[10:31] <larsu> dednick: ugh, very good point
[10:31] <mzanetti> greyback: while I once did expose something like mapToSource() in another project and it still works fine, I think it's not very nice
[10:31] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, with this comment: * the animation feels weird. It covers everything except the searchfield. Please check with design.
[10:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah...
[10:31] <larsu> dednick: but that shouldn't lead to that error, should it?
[10:31] <greyback> mzanetti: I wasn't looking forward to trying it, I'll admit that :)
[10:31] <nic-doffay> Do you mean it's strange that the animation affects everything but the search bar?
[10:31] <dednick> no
[10:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: there is this thing coming down fro the top.. it goes below the textfield but above everything else
[10:32] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: feels/looks really weird imho
[10:32] <dednick> can you pastebin your unity8 source diff?
[10:32] <greyback> mzanetti: appId it is. Thanks
[10:32] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, right gotcha.
[10:32] <nic-doffay> Having a chat about it now.
[10:32] <dednick> larsu: ^
[10:32] <larsu> dednick: it's exactly what you pastebinned earlier
[10:40] <larsu> dednick: the UnityMenuAction constructor is called, but none of the setters. Something must delete the object during construction...
[10:40] <dednick> larsu: any other errors?
[10:41] <larsu> dednick: a bazillion warnings about icons and the hud, but nothing about this
[10:41] <dednick> larsu: my line 136 is "appIcon: menu && menu.ext.xCanonic..."
[10:42] <larsu> dednick: because of your patch. It's line 139 now
[10:43] <larsu> dednick: I get these errors for every occurence of replyAction
[10:45] <dednick> larsu: try putting a Component.onCompleted with log message in the replyAction
[10:45] <larsu> dednick: already did, doesn't get called
[10:46] <dednick> larsu: bleh. hmm. ok, try just creating a QMenuMode.UnityMenuAction in the Factory root item. maybe it will log out an error if you create like that
[10:46] <dednick> larsu: not using a property i mean
[10:46] <larsu> dednick: ah, good idea
[10:46] <dednick> larsu: but i really dont get why it's working on mine :/
[10:49] <greyback> mzanetti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6058490/ is what will suit me. What do you think of line 30-31 of the diff, would that make sense? It would remove idea of model index entirely, so appId is the only unique identifier
[10:50] <dednick> larsu: reply works on device now
[10:50] <larsu> dednick: MessageMenuItemFactory.qml:35:5: Cannot assign object to list
[10:51] <larsu> dednick: when try to just add a UnityMenuAction directly
[10:51] <larsu> this is beyond weird
[10:51] <dednick> larsu: yeah, sorry, put it in the loader
[10:51] <greyback> as aside, this is interesting article on working around carriers not pushing OS updates: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/
[10:51] <larsu> dednick: ah, default property magic?
[10:51] <dednick> larsu: there's some dodgeyness going on in the sdk listview items where you cant child qobjects
[10:52] <dednick> larsu: yep
[10:53] <larsu> dednick: no additional error :(
[10:54] <dednick> no onCompleted log?
[10:54] <dednick> larsu: is the destructor being called?
[10:55] <dednick> really strange
[10:55] <mzanetti> greyback: +1 on lines 30-31
[10:56] <greyback> mzanetti: ta. MR on it's way
[10:56] <mzanetti> greyback: you sure its a good idea to remove the return value from startApplication?
[10:56] <larsu> dednick: onCompleted is called, the destructor is not called
[10:56] <mzanetti> greyback: might make sense to retain a bool?
[10:56] <dednick> larsu: try reinstalling archive qmenumodel and see if it complains about the index property
[10:57] <greyback> mzanetti: oops, that should keep a bool yes
[10:57] <mzanetti> greyback: rest looks quite good I'd say
[10:58] <larsu> dednick: it does
[10:59] <dednick> larsu: does it call onCompleted? or say it cant create the UnityMenuAction?
[11:00] <dednick> larsu: nevermind. just tried myself. doesnt create
[11:00] <larsu> dednick: right, it doesn't even have the messagemenuitemfactory type now
[11:01] <larsu> I guess it treats the non-existent property like a syntax error
[11:01] <dednick> larsu: yeah
[11:02] <dednick> larsu: when you added to the factory, did you create an empty one UnityMenuAction {}, or with properties?
[11:03] <larsu> dednick: with properties, I copied the one from the replyAction
[11:03] <dednick> larsu: sigh. i dunno wtf is going on...
[11:05] <dednick> larsu: is it not complaining about the replyAction in TextMessage? line 100?
[11:06] <larsu> dednick: yes it is. It complains about all occurrences of UnityMenuAction
[11:06] <dednick> ah
[11:06] <larsu> I'm building without the patch now, lets see if that still works
[11:16] <larsu> dednick: anyway, I'm hungry. You said it does work for you now, right?
[11:17] <dednick> larsu: yeah
[11:18] <larsu> dednick: okay, going to lunch then :)
[11:18] <larsu> dednick: I just pushed a fix for the fullActionName thing
[11:22] <dednick> larsu: ta.
[12:01] <dednick> larsu: right, so i approved in terms of a review, but i'm hesitent to do global until we get it working for you :(
[12:03] <dednick> larsu: you on qt5.0 or 5.1?
[12:14] <larsu> dednick|lunch: 5.0.2
[12:19] <mzanetti> seb128: hey, did the settings override for the launcher already land in the image?
[12:19] <seb128> mzanetti, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20130903.changes
[12:19] <seb128> mzanetti, it did!
[12:19] <seb128> mzanetti, thanks to ogra ;-)
[12:19] <mzanetti> \o/
[12:19] <mzanetti> thanks you two
[12:21] <greyback> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-api/adjust-application-api/+merge/183641
[12:21] <greyback> lemme know what you think
[12:21] <mzanetti> greyback: I'd need a review when you have some time. albert already did a first round and I've fixed his comments: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-defaults-from-dconf/+merge/183420
[12:21] <greyback> mzanetti: ok, looking now
[12:21] <mzanetti> yep, will check out yours
[12:25] <larsu> mzanetti: seb128 advises to call QIcon::setThemeName("ubuntu-mobile") in unity8 until bug #1098578 is fixed
[12:25] <larsu> mzanetti: who'd be the right guy to ask where to put that?
[12:25] <seb128> larsu, mzanetti: system-settings does "QIcon::setThemeName("ubuntu-mobile");"
[12:25] <seb128> that works fine on touch and desktop (when the theme is installed, we depends on it)
[12:26] <mzanetti> larsu: I am until saviq is back... yeah.
[12:26] <mzanetti> larsu: probably just dump it in the main.cpp where we set up all the other import paths
[12:27] <larsu> mzanetti: sounds reasonable. I'll put up a MR right away
[12:27] <mzanetti> larsu: just found this code in unity8:
[12:27] <mzanetti> void resolveIconTheme() {
[12:27] <mzanetti>     const char *ubuntuIconTheme = getenv("UBUNTU_ICON_THEME");
[12:27] <mzanetti>     if (ubuntuIconTheme != NULL) {
[12:27] <mzanetti>         QIcon::setThemeName(ubuntuIconTheme);
[12:27] <mzanetti>     }
[12:27] <mzanetti> }
[12:27] <larsu> ugh, that's ... ugly
[12:28] <mzanetti> larsu: I guess I know why this is
[12:28] <mzanetti> larsu: there was a time when we were transitioning between ubuntu-mobile-icons and ubuntu-icons-touch (or something like that)
[12:28] <seb128> that makes testing with a different theme easy though
[12:29] <mzanetti> probably it was added to suite that
[12:29] <seb128> you might want to do that and have an else case setting the default theme
[12:29] <mzanetti> +1 ^^
[12:29] <larsu> okay, fair enough
[12:30] <greyback> mzanetti: you don't like the C++11 for iterator? "for" -> "Q_FOREACH" :)
[12:31] <davmor2> guys in saucy if I click on the power button the system shutsdown even if the system is in sleep mode I'm guessing at that being a bad thing,  to reproduce let your machine lock hit the power button watch it shutdown with no prompt
[12:31] <mzanetti> greyback: Q_FOREACH knows better how to deal with QHash and QMap
[12:31] <mzanetti> greyback: other than that it's probably the same.
[12:31] <greyback> mzanetti: really? huh
[12:32] <mzanetti> greyback: yeah.. for example Q_FOREACH(const QVariant &value, m_myHash) directly iterates over the values
[12:32] <mzanetti> greyback: whereas c++11 would need for(const QVariant &value, m_myHash.values()) which needs to create a copy of the values list first
[12:32] <greyback> mzanetti: ah of course yes
[12:33] <mzanetti> greyback: not really sure if that applies to all my usages... but then its only because I'm used to Q_FOREACH
[12:33] <mzanetti> greyback: I do hate the overuse of "auto" tho
[12:34] <mzanetti> which that merge gets rid of too
[12:34] <greyback> mzanetti: I'm fond of it, if the object type is obvious
[12:34] <larsu> I just found out why unity8 takes 10 seconds to load on my desktop and I started crying: `cat /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hud/dbus-activation-hack.sh?
[12:35] <mzanetti> greyback: auto variant = m_accounts->getUserProperty(m_user, "launcher-items");
[12:35] <mzanetti> greyback: what is it?
[12:36] <greyback> mzanetti: yeah, not obvious there at all. But there are times, like in an iterator, where it doesn't cause any harm
[12:36] <mzanetti> yeah... but once you have a file which _only_ uses auto you get upset and remove them all :D
[12:41] <greyback> http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/02/new-scene-graph-renderer/ new renderer looks very interesting, I sense the fact there's much GPU retention will help shell and some app performance greatly
[12:43] <larsu> mzanetti, seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity8/fallback-icon-theme/+merge/183649
[12:44] <seb128> larsu, why do you Build-Depends on it? is that used in tests?
[12:44] <seb128> larsu, or did you mean to Depends: rather?
[12:45] <larsu> seb128: this is why I pinged you. I don't think before I push!
[12:45] <seb128> lol
[12:45] <seb128> larsu, you can also make it a Recommends: since that's not strictly required
[12:45] <larsu> seb128: okay :)
[12:46] <seb128> larsu, danke
[12:46] <larsu> seb128: done
[12:47] <seb128> larsu, done, set as approved (but comment only, I'm not an unity8 maintainer and I don't feel like approving their MRs)
[12:48] <larsu> ya that makes sense
[12:48] <larsu> merci!
[13:00] <dandrader> dednick|lunch, FYI: taking over the review of https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicator.multi-icon/+merge/181862 from Albert as he's on holidays
[13:23] <greyback> apt-get update: "Fetched 17.8 MB in 4993d 10h 9min 6s (0 B/s)" lol
[13:30] <mhall119> hey guys, any chance of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1214428 getting fixed soonish?  It's causing problems with click app installation
[13:30] <mzanetti> dednick|lunch: standup
[13:32] <mzanetti> kgunn: fyi: standup time in case you wanna join
[13:36] <greyback> sorry about the background noise
[13:39] <dednick> dandrader: cool. thanks
[13:49] <larsu> mzanetti: getenv is deprecated?! That's news to me...
[13:50] <mzanetti> larsu: oh... my mistake
[13:50] <mzanetti> larsu: it was only deprecated in VCS2005
[13:50] <mzanetti> which we probably don't really care about
[13:50] <larsu> mzanetti: ah, right, just read that in the docs as well :)
[13:50] <larsu> mzanetti: I don't care, if you prefer qgetenv I can fix it
[13:51] <larsu> I had already moved unity-mobile-icons to Recommends
[13:52] <mhall119> mzanetti: any feedback from katie on the wording for the tour's final step/
[13:52] <mhall119> ?
[13:53] <mzanetti> mhall119: yes:
[13:53] <mzanetti> mhall119: go for 3 lines, but no link
[13:54] <mzanetti> mhall119: unity_tour_threelines.png but removing the "Skip intro" link completely
[13:54] <mhall119> ok, can I modify EdgeDemoOverlay.qml to add an alias to the link's visibility?
[13:58] <kgunn> dednick: curious...did saviq talk to you about possibly picking up snap decisions while macslow is out ?
[13:58] <dednick> kgunn: nope
[13:58] <kgunn> dednick: mzanetti & i were just chattting about first time boot/sim card pin entry which would need snap decisions
[13:59] <kgunn> dednick:  awesome... :)
[13:59] <dednick> kgunn: is that a "awesome, thanks for picking it up"? :)
[14:00] <dednick> as in "now you know"
[14:00] <kgunn> dednick: awesome as in i dropped the ball
[14:01] <kgunn> dednick: so...now that you do know...mind taking a look this afternoon just to get a feel for it, if you think you might be able to effect it ?
[14:01] <kgunn> guess you'd have to branch off macslows...
[14:01] <dednick> kgunn: sure
[14:02] <mzanetti> dednick: ping me when you want to get started. I can explain what the plan is
[14:02] <dednick> this is in relation to the ext snap dialogs right?
[14:02] <kgunn> dednick: i trust your judgement...if you think its best to just wait till monday for macslow to return, lemme know
[14:04] <kgunn> dednick: thank you
[14:05] <kgunn> dednick: and to be totally clear....yeah, ext snap dialogs
[14:23] <kgunn> dednick_: also if you can make progress on ext snap dialog...just as a but of freedom/guidance for you it's better to have something landed than perfection
[14:23] <kgunn> fwiw
[14:43] <nic-doffay> Cimi, got time for a quick review?
[14:51] <nic-doffay> dednick_, fancy a one line review?
[14:52] <dednick_> nic-doffay: can do
[14:53] <sil2100> pete-woods: hi!
[14:53] <pete-woods> sil2100: hi
[14:53] <nic-doffay> dednick_, https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/unity8/infographic-background-change/+merge/183675
[14:53] <nic-doffay> Should be easy to test too.
[14:53] <sil2100> pete-woods: did you get an e-mail from Robert about lp:ubuntu-voice?
[14:53] <sil2100> pete-woods: I mean, unity-voice
[14:54] <sil2100> pete-woods: since he outlined some problems with the symbols file and autopilot tests
[14:54] <pete-woods> sil2100: I did a could of days ago, yes - I thought I had fixed everything he asked about
[14:55] <dednick_> that's 19 lines...
[14:56] <dednick_> larsu: you ever get that action working?
[14:57] <larsu> dednick_: no, was distracted (and will be for the next hour as well, meeting)
[14:57] <dednick_> larsu: ok
[14:57] <larsu> dednick_: maybe I can try to do it on the side if the meeting is boring :P
[14:58] <dednick_> :)
[14:58] <sil2100> pete-woods: oh, let me re-check then - thanks!
[14:59] <pete-woods> :)
[15:01] <dednick_> nic-doffay: did design give you that asset?
[15:07] <nic-doffay> dednick_, yeah
[15:08] <dednick_> nic-doffay: approved
[15:12] <nic-doffay> dednick_, ta
[15:20] <larsu> mzanetti: hm the merge failed because of some tests that seem unrelated. Can you please have a look what the problem there might be?
[15:32] <mzanetti> larsu: yeah... I need to walk through the whole list of merges today anyways
[15:33] <larsu> mzanetti: cool, thanks
[15:40] <greyback> mzanetti: if you have minute: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-api/adjust-application-api/+merge/183641
[15:49] <greyback> mzanetti: thank you
[15:51] <dednick> pete-woods: ping
[15:54] <pete-woods> dednick: hi
[15:55] <mhall119> mzanetti: updated branch and screenshot on https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/unity8/finish-tour/+merge/183037
[15:56] <dednick> pete-woods: hey. were you working on pinlock with MacSlow?
[15:56] <pete-woods> dednick: not pinlock - it's the wifi auto dialogue API I'm waiting on from MacSlow
[15:57] <pete-woods> *auto -> auth
[15:57] <dednick> pete-woods: i c
[15:57] <dednick> pete-woods: thanks, maybe tedg knows
[15:57] <dednick> tedg: ^
[15:58] <mzanetti> mhall119: it's approved already
[15:58] <tedg> dednick, I think that'll be me when it gets done, but I don't know that MacSlow knows that yet.
[15:58] <mzanetti> mhall119: err... I think I forgot to actually send the approval :D
[15:58] <mhall119> mzanetti: not according ot LP
[15:58] <mzanetti> will do now
[15:58] <mhall119> :P
[15:59] <pete-woods> dednick: np
[15:59] <dednick> tedg: ok. cool
[16:01] <tedg> greyback, Do I just need the Mir PPA to get your version of Unity on my phone, or is there something else I should do?
[16:02] <greyback> tedg: just that ppa, update, dist-upgrade and reboot
[16:02]  * tedg jumps
[16:05] <mhall119> mzanetti: any idea why Jenkins is failing now, but wasn't previously, and on something that seems unrelated?
[16:05] <mhall119> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/unity8/finish-tour/+merge/183037
[16:05] <mhall119> sorry: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-saucy/1461/?
[16:06] <mzanetti> mhall119: yeah. the SDK released an update of the ToolBar and we weren't prepared for it
[16:08] <mhall119> ok, so it's not my branch that broke it
[16:10] <larsu> dednick: this issue is like magic. Run unity8 it works (none of the weird errors). Apply your patch and run it, weird errors happen. Revert it, errors *still* happen. I want to cry.
[16:11] <dednick> larsu: you havent got some weird import path variables set up have you?
[16:11] <larsu> no....
[16:12] <dednick> and you're building every time you make a source change to unity? you're not editing build files again are you?!
[16:12] <dednick> :) i have no idea
[16:12] <larsu> nope, rebuilding every time
[16:12] <larsu> I think its just my setup
[16:12] <larsu> also: I need to go now
[16:13] <dednick> larsu: i'll get someone else to test tomorrow. if it works, we will approve
[16:13] <larsu> dednick: okay cool thanks. Have a good evening
[16:13] <dednick> you too
[16:15] <mzanetti> greyback: unity-api merged btw.
[16:15] <greyback> mzanetti: yay!
[16:16] <mzanetti> greyback: is there already some branch I could start working on top of?
[16:16] <kgunn> greyback: you were saying you needed review on unity-mir before landing...? do you have a victim ?
[16:17] <mzanetti> 29 branches to be reviewed... Saviq will kill us when he's back :D
[16:17] <greyback> kgunn: Almost: I need reviewer for unity8 stuff. I got a preliminary review from Saviq, who had no major problems
[16:17] <greyback> kgunn: and the bits I'm doing, and bits dandrader is doing. We'll review each-other's stuff there probably
[16:18] <greyback> kgunn: so I think I'll steal dandrader for a while longer
[16:22] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, you got a moment?
[16:22] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah
[16:23] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I need to pass the size of the whole qmlscene of unity to the PageHeader, any idea what the easiest way to do that is?
[16:23] <nic-doffay> I can't just use narrowMode for this...
[16:23] <nic-doffay> The size of the filters tab needs to be worked out based on the total height.
[16:24] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: what for?
[16:24] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: wait. need to check your code
[16:25] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: you mean the height of the filterSelector Rectangle?
[16:25] <nic-doffay> Yeah.
[16:26] <nic-doffay> I think that needs to be based off the total height.
[16:26] <nic-doffay> Or at least the amount of space for the MouseArea below to get rid of it.
[16:27] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: for that use the InverseMouseArea
[16:32] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ^5 for that.
[16:32] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: 5?
[16:32] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, high five ;P
[16:32] <mzanetti> ah :)
[16:36] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, thanks for that screen
[16:36] <nic-doffay> I noticed the filter button is already there?
[16:36] <nic-doffay> in the search bar in addition to the one I added?
[16:36] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I was just playing around while doing the review
[16:37] <mzanetti> so it's only hacked in in a local branch here
[16:37] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah ok.
[16:37] <nic-doffay> I was worried because I didn't see anything in the code anywhere.
[16:37] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so... have asked martin
[16:37] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, are you setting your theme manually?
[16:37] <nic-doffay> Still need to get to the bottom of why mine isn't displaying.
[16:37] <mzanetti> the overlay should be relative to the screen height, keeping 8 grid units distance from the bottom
[16:37] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, right so we'll need to pass the total height.
[16:38] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: hmm... I have set up KDE to use the ubuntu-mobile-icons theme
[16:38] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so I probably get it as default. but larsu fixed it for you. once his branch has landed, you can merge with trunk and you'll se the icons
[16:39] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah brilliant.
[16:39] <nic-doffay> larsu, cheers
[16:39] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, where would be the best place to pass the height into the PageHeader from?
[16:39] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: for now you can do this  to get it:
[16:39] <mzanetti> export UBUNTU_ICON_THEME="ubuntu-mobile"
[16:40] <mzanetti> before doing the ./run and the icons should show up
[16:40] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: let me check the code for the height thingie
[16:40] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I'm assuming the individual selectors will be a fraction of the filter rectangle's height, but I'm double checking.
[16:54] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok. have found the height thing
[16:54] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: you have a moment so I can give you some instructions how to fix stuff?
[16:58] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah
[16:59] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok. so... from what I can see the narrowMode change is on
[16:59] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok. so... from what I can see the narrowMode change is only because you added the Icon, right?
[17:00] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so I'd suggest you revert line 37 + 38 of the diff to where it was before.
[17:00] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: then remove your added icon
[17:00] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I've added my icon into the search bar instead.
[17:01] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: and add the icon back inside the TextField as secondaryItem.
[17:01] <mzanetti> yeah exactly
[17:01] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah done that bit.
[17:01] <mzanetti> its still not 100% matching the design, but at least it looks good enough for now.
[17:01] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah agreed.
[17:01] <mzanetti> and especially, it looks like the other search/filter labels
[17:01] <nic-doffay> There still needs a black bar and some other additions.
[17:02] <mzanetti> exactly. but we won't do that in here. for that we'll create a ModifiedTextField.qml and use that one here... in another merge request tho
[17:02] <mzanetti> so. next thing is the height of that overlay. I asked martin. it should be screenHeight - units.gu(8)
[17:03] <mzanetti> for that, add a property filtersHeight (or similar) to the PageHeader.
[17:03] <mzanetti> and in the Dash*.qml, where the pageHeader is used, set it to the appropriate height
[17:05] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: anything else you need more information?
[17:06] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, where's that height stored originally thought?
[17:06] <nic-doffay> I'd like to pass it into DashContent preferably and then on to the pageHeader.
[17:08] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: for example: the PageHeader is used in Dash/DashContent.qml
[17:08] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I think that ScopeView is fullscreen. so just pass scopeView.height - units.gu(8) to the PageHeader in that file
[17:18] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, perfect cheers
[17:19] <dednick> dandrader|lunch: fixed those issues in indicator.multi_icon
[17:23] <mhall119> mzanetti: will I need to merge from trunk and push a new revision of my branch, or should jenkins just start being happy with mine once trunk is fixed?
[17:24] <mzanetti> mhall119: I don't think you will need to merge.
[17:24] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[17:24]  * mhall119 is unreasonably happy about contributing a fix to Unity :)
[18:18] <mterry> Is anyone else working on upgrading unity8 from icon://gicon/name to icon://theme/name?  I can do that if not
[19:06] <tvoss_> mzanetti, ping
[19:06] <mzanetti> tvoss_: hi


[14:24] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:36] <ochosi> hi charlie-tca
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi
[14:36] <ochosi> the problems with the panel plugins (verve,dict) are not entirely solved, but mr_pouit and me concluded that there could be bugs in the plugins themselves
[14:37] <ochosi> i think i've done everything on the theme-side... :/
[14:37] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying on that. It might be the plugins, too.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> I can read the text in dict plugin using clearlooks, though
[14:39] <ochosi> sure, you can read text with any theme with a bright panel
[14:39] <ochosi> cause they use dark text ;)
[14:40] <ochosi> i basically figured out how to theme the rest of the panel bright and the plugins dark where needed, but it really seems to be due to bad/old code in the two plugins
[14:40] <charlie-tca> Oh, Okay. I can believe that
[14:40] <charlie-tca> That makes sense to me
[14:41] <ochosi> :)


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[18:31] <NaSb> so i'm getting irregular in IRC -_-
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[18:35] <pavlushka> NaSb: hmm... and You know mak vy well?
[18:36] <NaSb> of course :)
[18:37] <pavlushka> NaSb: Please tell me then the FB group of Mozilla-bd, I wanna join.


[05:09] <boombastic> hello. Im a little new to linux. im using kubuntu. the middle button on my touchpad acts as a close button. it is very annoying :/ . does somebody know how to change that behavior ?
[05:20] <vespertatia> boombastic: Press Alt + F2 then type in Touchpad and then press enter. You can then edit the touchpad settings to fit your needs.
[05:23] <boombastic> vespertatia: yes how do i disable this behavior from there ?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:49] <AceKing> I have a Lexar 128 GB USB 3.0 flashdrive. I plugged it into both USB 2.0 and 3.0 slots, but neither one sees the device. I can read it in Windows. Here is the output of fdisk -l: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kvJXByXqtN/
[12:53] <BluesKaj> AceKing, try df -h
[12:53] <ger> Will Kubuntu 18.04 have a minimal install option?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> ger, ask in ubuntu+1 chat
[12:55] <AceKing> BluesKaj: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vhq4vTGZFZ/
[12:56] <BluesKaj> AceKing, is there any data on the usb?
[12:57] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Nothing important
[12:57] <BluesKaj> but there is data,  so it should be recognized
[12:58] <AceKing> Yes, definitely. I can see it on a Windows PC
[12:58] <BluesKaj> try a relogin
[12:59] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I did. I even did a total reboot with and without the drive in the USB port
[12:59] <BluesKaj> it should show up in dolphin/devices if the panels aren't locked
[13:00] <BluesKaj> on the left side in the dolphin panel that is
[13:00] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I know. All my other USB flashdrives show up. They are all 2.0. I thought it may have been a problem with 3.0
[13:01] <BluesKaj> that should not be a problem , 3.0 is the connection protocol not the device afaik
[13:02] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK
[13:02] <BluesKaj> unless the usb is corrpted, but make sure your dolphin panels aren't locked
[13:03] <BluesKaj> what does windows show as a File system on the usb?
[13:04] <AceKing> exfat. I did install the packages for that
[13:05] <AceKing> Dolphin panel is definitlynot locked
[13:07] <AceKing> BluesKaj: for the heck of it, I just tried it in my laptop running 17.10 64 bit also... It doesn't show up there either.
[13:14] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I plugged in my external USB 3.0 2tb hdd and that came right up. I may try formatting the flashdrive in Windows, and see if that works.
[13:17] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I think the flashdrive is bad. When I plug it into Windows, the drive letter shows up for a couple of seconds then goes away.
[13:18] <AceKing> I was able to access it before
[13:19] <AceKing> If I move it around a little bit, it shows up. Definitely the drive.
[13:25] <AceKing> BluesKaj: On another note... Have you heard of anyone having problems with bad superblocks, and not being able to boot? In the last 2 months, it's happened to 5 laptops that I have Kubuntu 16.04 and 17.10 running on. At first I thought it was a bad hdd. But after the third one I stared to think it was an update that was causing it
[13:52] <BluesKaj> AceKing, that sounds like a bug alright ...check launchpad for info
[13:54] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Will do. Thanks for your help today
[13:56] <BluesKaj>  the hdds
[13:56] <BluesKaj> well, yw , ope you solve your bad blocks problem , try running smart control
[13:56] <BluesKaj> on the drives
[14:00] <AceKing> I did run smart control. I was able to recover the superblocks. Just strange how they corrupted.
[14:53] <linux_> hallo zusammen
[17:35] <schadenfreu2> kek
[17:57] <GizmoRomick> I am trying to use the Glassified theme with Obsidian Coast in the colors settings.  Everything works great, except the lock screen colors look terrible (white text on gray background).  I am using Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 16.04.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to change the colors without affecting the rest of the theme?
[21:34] <ubsafder> i upgraded to latest updates of 17.10  my wifi does not connect any more is that expdected ?
[21:37] <ubsafder> only cable connection works does i have to pay a tribute to wifi consortiun to get it working ? ?
[21:41] <ubsafder> how do i get ubuntu to support wpa security ?
[23:50] <user|94549> hi, is there any 18.04 users? I wonder if I'm the only one unable setup shortcut in kmenuedit, and if no, is there workaround already?


[01:52] <Darxus> cjwatson: You're saying adding a delete instruction would be hard?
[10:38] <cjwatson> Darxus: That's not what I was saying, no; just that not everything necessarily fits well into a declarative framework
[10:38] <cjwatson> Darxus: Don't overinterpret me - I'm just suggesting other paths, not refusing to make changes :)
[10:40] <cjwatson> (Though I'd probably rather enable run than write a separate delete instruction)
[13:39] <Darxus> cjwatson: Oh, sure, I'd get a lot of additional flexibility out of scripting downloading, locally modifying, and posting the a ppa.  But recipes do everything I need, except not break when the base repo updates.


[21:24] <qwebirc32886> Hey guys I have a question I installed mythbuntu and want to run a job for transcoding using handbrake but I cant get it to work. I have tried a couple scripts and always get the User job returned non-zero.... blah blah
[21:24] <qwebirc32886> Any help would be greatly appreciated


[00:00] <smackusrevival> possible attack!
[00:01] <bekks> So maybe it want the webserver which was under attack.
[00:01] <bekks> *it wasnt
[00:02] <genii> Maybe check the auth log for bruteforce password attempts
[00:03] <teward> ^ that
[00:03] <teward> smackusrevival: your company isn't stupid enough to have your DB servers listening on public internet addresses for traffic from everything is it?
[00:07] <smackusrevival> hold, i think i found problem.
[00:10] <smackusrevival> got it. hardware issue. router somewhere had changed ip address routes. reverted back and everything good now.
[00:10] <quantic> smackusrevival: what have we learned?
[00:10] <smackusrevival> check this first next time.
[00:11] <quantic> smackusrevival: more generally - unless you have evidence pointing to an attack, malfunctions or misconfigurations are far more likely.
[00:12] <teward> agree with quantic there, smackusrevival :)
[00:13] <smackusrevival> thanks for the help. but it doesn't discredit the fact there was major traffic at one point which made server ram 100% during this time.
[00:13] <keithzg> The old saying "cockup before conspiracy" ;)
[00:13] <teward> smackusrevival: how are you determining RAM usage?
[00:13] <teward> smackusrevival: if your system shows 100% but `free -m` shows a lot free with the '+/- buffers/cache' line, then it's not really using all the RAM like you think
[00:14] <teward> (caching is at play, and that's not really 'in active use')
[00:20] <smackusrevival> like this. http://imgur.com/uCqzGuP
[00:20] <smackusrevival> my mistake, not 100% but close. red in graph is ram in use. almost maxed out.
[00:21] <smackusrevival> green is cached.
[00:21] <smackusrevival> graph pulled for monitorix.
[00:21] <bekks> So basically cached memory increased.
[00:21] <teward> smackusrevival: so your cached memory increased, but active usage didn't increase
[00:21] <teward> smackusrevival: that's not uncommon
[00:21] <teward> and you don't really need to be worried about cached memory being consumed up to the max on your RAM
[00:21] <teward> though if that were entirely RED that'd be a different story
[00:21] <teward> i had a rogue ruby utility that did that once
[00:22] <ponyofdeath> hi, what calles dhclient on ubuntu server 12.04 what is the init script
[00:22] <smackusrevival> why only at this one time during the day though?
[00:23] <sarnold> ponyofdeath: /etc/network/interfaces configures the interfaces; called via the /etc/init/networking.conf upstart script or /etc/init.d/networking sysv-init script..
[00:23] <bekks> smackusrevival: look at the logs.
[00:23] <teward> smackusrevival: logs are your friend
[00:23] <teward> read them
[00:24] <smackusrevival> yeah ok. fair enough.
[00:24] <sarnold> backups? updatedb?
[00:25] <teward> smackusrevival: also, don't worry if mostly green/cached is taking up a lot of RAM
[00:25] <teward> smackusrevival: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13609973/
[00:25] <teward> granted this is my Ubuntu laptop
[00:25] <bekks> smackusrevival: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[00:25] <teward> but point not withstanding, the site bekks gave is important, AND...
[00:25] <teward> you can see most of the 'memory' is used on mine with buffers/cache, not active use
[00:26] <teward> (only about 2.4 GB is in use, which is usual for this system since I do a lot of resource-eating stuff)
[00:27] <smackusrevival> performing manual backup of server as i write this, as precaution.
[00:27] <teward> smackusrevival: 99.999% sure the RAM usage is not a concern :)
[00:27] <bekks> smackusrevival: that backup is mostly worthless, since you cant tell for sure wether it is compromised or not.
[00:27] <teward> AND bekks is right
[00:27] <teward> if you can't tell if your machine is compromised, chances are it may be
[00:27] <teward> so a backup won't help you
[00:28] <teward> and if you aren't already doing regular backups you should have been
[00:29] <bekks> For further investigation purposes, that backup may be helpful, but you should strongly consider setting up that server from scratch.
[00:29] <bekks> And - literally - document every change you are doing to that new server.
[00:30] <teward> ^
[00:31] <smackusrevival> teward: yeah we have many backups. this was only precautionry, but regular backups are made all the time
[00:32] <teward> 'this was only precautionary' is wrong
[00:32] <teward> smackusrevival: if your server *was* compromised then it's not precautionary
[00:32] <teward> it's recklessly
[00:32] <quantic> The only good taking a backup will do is to have an image to analyze later, and taking a normal backup to do so is useless. You need a bit-level image of the system for proper forensics.
[00:32] <smackusrevival> looking through /var/log/auth.log there has been MANY unauthorized login attempts.
[00:33] <quantic> smackusrevival: Is the system connected to the internet?
[00:33] <bekks> The only purpose of that backup *may* be restoring files which have changed since the last know not-compromised backup AND known to be not altered by an attacker.
[00:33] <bekks> *known
[00:33] <teward> smackusrevival: is the system internet-connected, and do you do any hardening on your servers?
[00:33] <smackusrevival> quantic: yes
[00:34] <teward> (such as disable pure password auth, etc)
[00:34] <quantic> smackusrevival: Then yeah, you're going to have login attempts. Get used to it.
[00:34] <quantic> smackusrevival: You should be looking for login SUCCESSES, not attempts.
[00:34] <teward> ^ that
[00:34] <teward> but you should also be considering hardening your servers a little if you haven't already, such as disable password-based authentication and enforce SSH Key authentication, etc.
[00:35] <smackusrevival> quantic: ok, usually ignore logs unless something like this happens. but need to start paying more attention i think.
[00:35] <smackusrevival> teward: ok thanks.
[00:35] <teward> smackusrevival: NEVER IGNORE LOGS
[00:35] <teward> they're IMPORTANT
[00:35] <teward> REALLY important
[00:35] <bekks> and - for the sake of reducing the amount of failed attempts - chaning the default ssh port.
[00:35] <teward> ^ that
[00:35] <teward> bekks: though I just IP-restrict SSH xD
[00:35] <teward> bekks: in some cases changing the defaults won't help, but yes
[00:35] <bekks> teward: that helps too :D
[00:36] <teward> I also have Duo Security 2FA enabled so...
[00:36] <teward> that PAM layer adds additional authentication reqs to get in
[00:36] <sarnold> ... and don't forget, logs are often scrubbeds after systems are compromised
[00:36] <teward> indeed
[00:36] <teward> sarnold: even better reason to have a syslog server that receives all logs from the server
[00:36] <bekks> log time inconsistencies. great thing to script :)
[00:36] <teward> so even if they're scrubbed locally
[00:36] <teward> they're not necessarily scrubbed at the syslog location xD
[00:36] <sarnold> teward: yeah
[00:36] <teward> at the *real* syslog location
[00:37] <bekks> rsyslog ftw :)
[00:37] <teward> sarnold: speaking of which, know any good Ubuntu syslog solutions that make it nice and readable and searchable, etc. including colorcoded by severity levels and stuff?
[00:37] <bekks> which reminds me to setup that for a bunch of server regularly used by other employees.
[00:38] <sarnold> teward: I keep hearing things about kibana and elasticsearch and on and on but i've never been too impressed with what I see, compared to just tail -F :(
[00:38] <sarnold> teward: there's some tool named something like czze that apparently does termina-based log coloring
[00:39] <teward> i mean with a syslog server and such included in the list
[00:39] <teward> because i want one location NOT on the servers themselves
[00:39] <teward> but meh
[00:39] <teward> sarnold: i've heard kibana/elasticsearch too but dislike it
[00:39] <teward> splunk's always an option, but meh
[00:39] <teward> i'll go do more research xD
[00:40] <bekks> teward: keep me informed on your proceedings please :)
[00:40] <teward> bekks: probably will do so once I poke my other workplace again xD
[00:40] <bekks> ;)
[00:53] <smackusrevival> gotta go guys. thank you all so much for your help. a sys admin is never alone when he has irc. ;-)
[00:53] <teward> smackusrevival: that's why we're here :p
[00:53] <sarnold> :)
[01:05] <ponyofdeath> sarnold: thanks!
[01:07] <sarnold> ponyofdeath: got everything sorted? :)
[01:07] <ponyofdeath> sarnold: yup :)
[01:07] <sarnold> woohoo :)
[03:10] <jvwjgames> I am needing my network interface persistence file fixed or regenerated
[03:11] <jvwjgames> Cause I have no network connectivity on that server
[03:11] <jvwjgames> Can anyone please help
[03:22] <tsimonq2> jvwjgames: the people in #ubuntu could probably provide help with that
[03:23] <jvwjgames> Ya but it is a Ubuntu server witch is why I am here
[03:23] <sarnold> have you figured out what config options need to change to get the connectivity back?
[03:23] <rbasak> jvwjgames: it's in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules on 14.04 I think.
[03:24] <rbasak> I believe that if you delete it it'll get regenerated on next boot, but don't rely on my knowledge if it'll break your server - test first.
[03:24] <jvwjgames> I know it is but it is messed up is there a way to regenerate it
[03:24] <sarnold> rbasak: ahhh that hting I forgot all about it :)
[03:24] <rbasak> It has changed since 14.04 and I am no longer up to date with the current stuff.
[05:07] <JakeTheAfroPedob> hi guys
[05:08] <JakeTheAfroPedob> need some help regarding manaual installation
[05:08] <JakeTheAfroPedob> on 14.04
[05:08] <JakeTheAfroPedob> LTS that is
[08:34] <orogor> hi
[08:34] <orogor> anyone here use/know dell open manage essentials ?
[08:37] <OerHeks> orogor, i read about it, but have no  PowerEdge Server, the repo instructions is here http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/ubuntu/
[09:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:30] <hackeron> Anyone has any ideas about this boot issue and how to diagnose further? < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521749
[11:56] <TJ-> hackeron: did the systemd analysis not help narrow it down?
[12:01] <hackeron> TJ-: I added comments about that in the bug. I tried starting various services just 1 by 1 after getting into the emergency.target - I can start networking, I can start several random things - but as soon as I start something like ssh or even apport, I see this and it freezes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmpse7bx0c70e4v/IMG_1479.jpg?dl=0
[12:05] <TJ-> ahhh, I still had the bug open from yesterday so couldn't see the updates!
[12:10] <TJ-> hackeron: can you add to the bug report a dmesg captured from a 4.2 emergency.target boot? probably need to copy it off to a USB device manually mounted
[12:11] <TJ-> hackeron: also, have you tried booting it with 4.2 when *all* USb devices are disconnected?
[12:11] <hackeron> TJ-: sure, let me do that
[12:11] <hackeron> TJ-: yes, I have
[12:13] <TJ-> hackeron: so we can rule out udev stuck due to external devices?
[12:14] <TJ-> I notice the iwlwifi firmware isn't found for 3.19... I wonder if 4.2 gets stuck due to that not being available - unlikey, but in the absense of any other evidence...!
[12:30] <hackeron> TJ-: yeh, I noticed that as well, but seems unlikely as I can bring networking up without problems
[12:31] <TJ-> hackeron: OK, that's the only thing that stands out from the 3.19 logs
[12:44] <hackeron> TJ-: I downgraded to ubuntu 15.04 (well, installed from scratch) - I have another unit here, just trying to install 15.10 on it now
[13:09] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I've pushed some suggested changes to the nis merge in https://git.launchpad.net/~racb/ubuntu/+source/nis. Please could you check that you're happy with them?
[13:09] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I presume you've re-tested the upgrade paths? If so I'm happy to upload this.
[13:12] <rbasak> cpaelzer: my changes are only really minor or couldn't be anticipated by pitti's upload though. I'm completely happy with your solution for the upgrade path - good job on that.
[13:16] <hackeron> TJ-: ah! - it seems the older bios does in fact boot on the NUC - but the latest does not, so will check the changelog what Intel changed in the latest bios
[13:18] <cpaelzer> rbasak - I tested the upgrade paths, with the new version it continued working
[13:18] <cpaelzer> rbasak: no more config file fallout
[13:18] <rbasak> Great!
[13:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: let me look into your upload, but I'm generally happy :-)
[13:20] <cpaelzer> rbasak: damn I knew I missed the ~ in that version check, but I couldn't find where exactly in the version string to add it - thanks for fixing
[13:21] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks for fixing my typos and whitespace :-/
[13:22] <cpaelzer> rbasak: about the Tabs I had spaces, but took tabs as the rest of the file had tabs
[13:22] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but I'm totally fine with that
[13:22] <cpaelzer> rbasak: so as predicted - yes I'm happy
[13:22] <rbasak> Tabs are fine, but if you want hanging indent to align with something on the previous line, then leading tabs need to match the upper line's tabs and the rest has to be spaces.
[13:23] <rbasak> Otherwise it doesn't match up visually unless you match the tab size setting. And since less and "git diff" uses eight space tabs, it all looks wrong immediately to me :-/
[13:23] <rbasak> OK, thanks. I'll upload!
[13:25] <rbasak> Oh, I didn't fix all the version comparisons. I'll do that now.
[13:26] <TJ-> hackeron: interesting... did you do a complete factory reset of the BIOS config?
[14:07] <rbasak> [ubuntu/xenial-proposed] nis 3.17-34ubuntu3 (Accepted)
[14:07] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ^^ do you get that email, out of interest?]
[14:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak: no I don't
[14:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I'm not yet subscribed to all lists that I could be to keep the inbox manageable
[14:09] <cpaelzer> rbasak: should that have come through https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release?
[14:09] <cpaelzer> rbasak: or just because my commits are in there?
[14:10] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I just get that email after a dput. I guess it gets sent to the package signer only.
[14:10] <rbasak> I thought it might also be copied to you as you're the "uploader" but I guess not.
[14:45] <hackeron> TJ-: I didn't reset bios, but this is a brand new unit out of the box - trying now
[14:51] <hackeron> TJ-: Not sure if it helped - I rebooted 5 times, 3 of those times it froze, 2 it booted
[14:52] <TJ-> hackeron: sounds like a race condition
[14:52] <hackeron> TJ-: with 3.19 it reboots every time - I tried via ssh on a loop to reboot 50 times
[14:52] <TJ-> hackeron: if you can capture a dmesg when it boots with 4.2
[15:15] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I've pushed the nis git branch to ~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/nis for the next merge. I've deliberately not pushed the previous reconstruct and logical tags though as they were mismatched. We shouldn't need them for a future merge anyway, as the current master branch has the logical changes (not fully squashed though).
[15:15] <rbasak> It should be enough to transfer forward to the next merge without losing anything or duplicating work I think.
[15:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I agree, thank you
[15:50] <Raboo> Does anyone know if QLogic 57840S is included in the kernel for ubuntu 14.04?
[15:51] <Raboo> I'm guessing it's bnx2x
[15:53] <TJ-> Raboo: you can search for its PCI ID in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids and then check for a modalias that matches under /lib/modules/<VERSION>/*
[15:56] <Raboo> TJ- thanks
[17:00] <urthmover> I have been tasked with creating a redundant openstack environment that utilizes docker containers.  I do not have physical machines, but I do have a vmware 5.5 environment that I intend to use for the controller and compute nodes.  I DO NOT have shell access to the vmware hosts though.  What should I install first? What software should I skip because I'm not using physical openstack servers?  I did create a ubuntu autopilot env
[19:01] <thomaslnx> hi everyone...
[19:02] <thomaslnx> what should I worry when setting up ubuntu server secure?
[19:02] <thomaslnx> any suggestions?
[19:03] <sarnold> #1 don't use ssh passwords, require ssh keys   #2 a firewall is nice to make sure you only expose what you intend to expose
[19:03] <genii> Make sure to set up fail2ban, move remote login things to other ports
[19:03] <sarnold> get those two right and the rest gets a lot easier
[19:06] <thomaslnx> thanks sarnold and genii
[19:42] <jcastro> roaksoax: this one's for you guys! http://askubuntu.com/questions/687325/maas-integration-with-ipam-solution
[20:01] <foo> I want to change my system time. By default, server is in New York, so all system time is in EST. However, I'm in PST timezone. If I change system timezone to PST, I imagine I shouldn't have any problems since *everything* should change (as opposed to only changing mysql timezone and leaving system in EST). Is this correct?
[20:04] <genii> Going forwards in time is fine. When you go backwards the system sometimes becomes confused that some files are from the future
[20:05] <sarnold> and don't sleep with or kill your grandparents
[20:06] <sarnold> foo: the kernel keeps track of time by counting the number of seconds since jan 01, 00:00:00 1970, in UTC
[20:06] <sarnold> foo: the "timezones" are just some libraries that convert those seconds to friendly human display
[20:07] <sarnold> foo: different applications have run in different timezones without issue
[20:07] <foo> sarnold: thought so, so if I change local timezone, and I have time sensitive software, 3pm will just change to 2pm in both mysql timezone fields and in the software checking against these fields.
[20:07] <foo> sarnold: eg. nothing should break, am I understanding this correctly?
[20:08] <sarnold> foo: you might run into some poorly written software that doesn't follow the rules, but I can't name any off-hand
[20:09] <foo> sarnold: I wrote it all, it's just a matter of using local time from PHP to compare against timestamp in mysql field, so if this all changes, I think I'm good. Oh, and Drupal, but I doubt that'll have any issues (nothing time sensitive there)
[20:10] <sarnold> foo: last I looked at sql times I think they either store times via utc or combined with a tz offset..
[20:12] <foo> sarnold: yup, tz offset. I set local time, restarted mysql, and I'm golden. Thank you
[20:12] <sarnold> foo: woot ;) nice work :)
[20:13] <foo> sarnold++
[20:44] <pvl> hey all. im stuck. trying to install 15.10 from usb (which i DD'd), and i keep getting an error that isolinux.bin isnt found
[20:44] <pvl> or corrupt
[22:09] <keithzg> pvl: I'd suggest using usb-creator or mkusb instead of directly DD'ing it, see if that works for you.
[23:44] <sadmin> Hey, is there a security/software update schdule? I want to create a patch policy and a schedule
[23:51] <bekks> there is no schedule, no.
[23:51] <bekks> Patches are released whenever they are released.
[23:51] <bekks> Basic schedule might be: patch your systems once a week, on saturday.
[23:54] <bekks> At least thats how I am patching things.


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  First time in recent years though.
[02:27] <daftykins> ah, what else?
[02:28] <lopta> Qimo was her first, then Xubuntu, then Ubuntu, recently Solus and this evening she's probably going back to Xubuntu.
[02:28] <lopta> (Qimo seems to have been a repackaging of Xubuntu aimed at education).
[02:29] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:29] <daftykins> i suppose you do get a bit more of the full experience by roadtesting on bare metal versus trying them out in VMs
[02:30] <lopta> I don't even remember why we went from Qimo to Xubuntu. I think she went to Ubuntu when I replaced her PC.
[02:30] <lopta> ...then Solus when I installed an SSD.
[02:33] <lopta> We quite like Solus but one of the few games she plays won't run on that.
[02:36] <daftykins> :>
[02:36] <lopta> ...thought about putting Lubuntu on there.  Not sure what the pros and cons are between that and Xubuntu.
[02:37] <daftykins> just down to personal preference of which desktop you prefer
[02:37] <lopta> What's Lubuntu? Lxde?
[02:38] <daftykins> i had always preferred tinkering with xubuntu for xfce goodness over LXDE, yeah
[02:38] <lopta> I've used Xfce in the past.  I'm not that familiar with Lxde.
[02:39] <daftykins> i felt it sacrificed a bit too much
[02:42] <ali1234> xubuntu 18.04 currently has a bug... setup and first login are delayed by 75 seconds. after that it's okay
[02:43] <ali1234> just in case you decide to try those :)
[02:43]  * lopta checks which one he's downloaded
[02:43] <lopta> 17.10.1, apparently.
[02:43] <daftykins> non-LTS D:
[02:43] <ali1234> 18.04 is not released yet. i suggest to wait for it to be released
[02:43] <ali1234> it's like 3 weeks away
[02:44] <ali1234> otherwise you will just have to upgrade in 3 months
[02:45] <lopta> That's ok.
[02:46] <lopta> She doesn't have a lot of things so it's fairly painless to nuke and pave.
[02:47] <daftykins> hmm got a stack of DDR3 so thought i'd have a go at finding an LGA775 mobo with 4 x DDR3 slots, it's been pretty tough going though
[02:48] <lopta> I don't think LGA775 even supports DDR3
[02:48] <daftykins> sure does, i have a rare board behind me with both DDR2 and 3 slots on the same board
[02:49]  * lopta is surprised
[02:49] <daftykins> asus P5KC :)
[02:50] <lopta> I have a few Core 2 Duo chips on the shelf but I don't think I'll get to use them.
[02:51] <lopta> (aside from the E4500 that's on my general workhorse)
[02:51] <daftykins> a friend gave me a core 2 extreme X9650, so my Q6600 quad is sat on the shelf right now
[02:56] <lopta> I'd have to look that one up.
[02:58] <daftykins> 3GHz quad with oodles of cache vs. 2.4GHz quad with less
[02:58] <lopta> Cache is good. We like cache.
[03:01] <lopta> Looks as though the two other Core2 Duo chips I have are an E7400 and E8400.  The 8400 has half the cache of your X9650 and fewer cores of course but it also runs cooler.
[03:02] <lopta> They're all museum pieces anyway.
[03:04] <daftykins> yeah, my real machine is downstairs :>
[03:04] <daftykins> i've got a stack of HDDs here i want to throw together for fun, but i'm lacking a good combo of suitable hardware really
[03:05]  * lopta nods
[03:05] <lopta> My E4500 box has a mirrored pair of 1T WD Red disks and no monitor.
[03:07] <daftykins> let's see... it's an old E6750 in my file server, though i'm finding the lack of USB 3 makes it such that it's quicker to get data off it from another PC over gigabit LAN xD
[03:08] <lopta> I don't think my OS even has USB 3 support yet, though it's a while since I checked.
[03:12] <lopta> Firewire used to work though. :-)
[03:12] <daftykins> that's one dead interface now!
[03:12] <lopta> Says the person building Socket T machines ;-)
[03:13] <daftykins> ah i'm just juggling old parts i already have here for free! they're still useful as headless servers running Linux
[03:13] <lopta> It's still handy for sucking video from old miniDV cameras.
[03:13] <daftykins> ah never owned one
[03:14] <lopta> ...and I think I have some Firewire disk enclosures here too.
[03:14] <lopta> Depending on your OS you can also use Firewire as a network interface but... I don't recommend it.
[03:14] <daftykins> i'd replace the CPU+mobo+RAM in my file server but... it's running well
[03:15] <lopta> "If it aint broke, don't fix it".
[03:15] <daftykins> oh i dabbled with that when i was a kid, discovered it doesn't support IP so that died quick
[03:15] <daftykins> would've been 400Mb otherwise yeah :)
[03:15] <lopta> It supports IP but there's some latency there.
[03:15] <lopta> Plenty of bandwidth but with latency.
[03:15] <daftykins> ah well perhaps things have changed
[03:16] <lopta> daftykins: It's possible Linux doesn't support that.  I've never tried.
[03:16] <daftykins> think i was on windows 98 / XP back when i had the cable the first time
[03:17] <lopta> Ah right, I've no idea whether Windows can do it.
[03:17] <daftykins> if i'm honest i'd love some 10GbE toys, 1Gb has felt slow for the large files of HD video for quite a while
[03:18] <lopta> 25G ftw ;-)
[03:18] <lopta> It's out in the wild but I'm not sure whether it's formally ratified yet.
[03:18] <lopta> (I'm a bit behind on my networking news)
[03:18] <daftykins> i see cheap cards for 2.5/5/10 but the trouble of course is the power consumption
[03:19]  * lopta hands daftykins a PLIP cable.
[03:19] <daftykins> my file server is the aforementioned core 2 duo with 8GB DDR2, an SSD, 6 x 2TB in RAID5 and 2 x 2TB drives, whole lot pulls about 85W
[03:20] <lopta> I'm not keen on RAID5 but if it works for you, that's ok.
[03:20] <lopta> I lean more towards RAID 1+0
[03:20] <daftykins> i put it together a long time ago, so it's a legacy situation now - i tend to do 6 minimum now
[03:20] <daftykins> but more recently i've dabbled with ZFS and RAIDz2
[03:20] <lopta> I know the FreeBSD people like ZFS.
[03:21] <daftykins> ja, usable on *buntu too
[03:21] <lopta> (and Solaris, and probably Illumos)
[03:24] <lopta> Come to think of it, I should stand up an OpenIndiana box for test purposes.
[03:24] <lopta> ...that or OmniOS.
[03:26]  * lopta looks around the room for spare hardware
[03:35]  * lopta accidentally prices up new hardware
[03:38] <daftykins> easy mistake to make ^_^
[03:38] <daftykins> tempted by a board i've found on ebay, but it says untested + they try to say no returns
[03:38] <lopta> Is it morally wrong to put a $93 chip in a $50 board? :-)
[03:44] <daftykins> i'd found about that pricing level on some parts recently
[03:44] <daftykins> cheapest boards with intel gigabit LAN adapters + a 7th or 8th generation i3
[03:45] <lopta> RAM is what I'm struggling with at the moment.
[03:47] <daftykins> choice or the nasty prices DDR4 has reached? :)
[03:53] <lopta> Lack of choice, for the DDR4-2666 DIMMs.
[04:05] <lopta> Time to re-image.


[01:57] <Eickmeyer> Hey everyone. Don't mind me. Just working on some stuff in Carla that I missed (namely the wine wrapper).
[02:39] <krytarik> It's at 18 fail mails currently fwiw..
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'm about to revert the changes. It's just not working.


[02:31] <EOBeav> so, do I understand correctly that lubuntu will upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 through a normal apt-get upgrade?  Whenever it's released, of course.
[02:31] <teward> you misunderstand how upgrades work
[02:31] <teward> EOBeav: the automatic update system will notify you there's an update, but it's not `apt-get upgrade` that does it behind the scenes
[02:32] <teward> it's 'do-release-upgrade'
[02:32] <teward> (if you're upgrading via command line)
[02:32] <teward> however, you should back up your stuff first, and it will only be easier to do once released ;P
[02:32] <teward> otherwise it's evil painful right now
[02:40] <EOBeav> Thanks teward, I don't plan on upgrading until they bless the release. :-)
[02:40] <EOBeav> I'll definitely keep an eye out for it...thanks again for the heads up.
[03:19] <Bayesian_Coffee> Has anyone noticed that the lxpanel will freeze after a while?
[03:20] <Bayesian_Coffee> the start button just won't wor
[03:31] <EOBeav> I haven't, under what circumstances does it happen?
[03:43] <ianorlyn> Bayesian_Coffee, also what version
[04:08] <Bayesian_Coffee> 15.10
[04:08] <Bayesian_Coffee> just a few minutes after boot, it just stops responding
[12:49] <Guest001> When is 16.04 ready the next 2 weeks ?
[14:01] <capitanocrunch> hello
[14:02] <capitanocrunch> how can i disable lightdm from starting at boot?
[14:06] <capitanocrunch> is there any /etc/init/lightdm.conf to edit?
[14:44] <james1138> Hello all. Question... what backup software is there for Ubuntu with few or no dependiences??
[15:01] <krytarik> james1138: rsync. :P
[15:16] <james1138> thanks
[17:30] <lolusux> Hi I messed up my grub and now when I'm using boot repair to fix it it's stuck at "purge kernels then reinstall last kernel sda....., please help
[17:38] <n-iCe> is lubuntu 14.04 using dropbox?
[17:39] <n-iCe> openbox*
[18:20] <krytarik> n-iCe: Yep, as usual.
[18:20] <n-iCe> is not lxde?
[18:20] <n-iCe> o.O
[18:21] <krytarik> LXDE is a desktop environment, Openbox is a window manager.
[18:22] <n-iCe> ooooooooh
[18:22] <n-iCe> se it uses both
[18:22] <n-iCe> so
[18:22] <krytarik> Yep.
[21:26] <n-iCe> krytarik, still here?
[21:41] <n-iCe> anyone active?
[21:41] <krytarik> n-iCe: Nope.
[21:41] <n-iCe> anyone active?
[21:41] <n-iCe> lol, thought was an robot answer fot that.
[21:41] <n-iCe> krytarik, I'm downloading lubuntu
[21:41] <krytarik> Yay!
[21:41] <n-iCe> krytarik, why do you use lubuntu?
[21:41] <krytarik> I do? :P
[21:41] <n-iCe> oh, don't you?
[21:41] <n-iCe> what do you use?
[21:42] <krytarik> Xubuntu.
[21:42] <n-iCe> lol
[21:42] <n-iCe> is it lightweight?
[21:42] <n-iCe> I mean, more than lubuntu?
[21:42] <krytarik> Nope.
[21:42] <n-iCe> Oh ok,
[21:42] <n-iCe> but you have used lubuntu, right
[21:43] <krytarik> But my computer is only 15 years old, so I can live with that. :P
[21:43] <krytarik> I check out Lubuntu rather regularly, yes.
[21:43] <n-iCe> ok
[21:43] <n-iCe> Downloaded.
[21:44] <n-iCe> Gonna reboot in lubuntu.
[21:44] <n-iCe> Brb.
[21:48] <n-iCe> Im back in lubuntu
[21:49] <n-iCe> look a little like gnome2
[21:49] <n-iCe> dont you thin
[21:49] <krytarik> Not quite, no.
[21:50] <n-iCe> hehe
[21:50] <n-iCe> dont know why i thought that
[21:51] <n-iCe> krytarik: why did you prefer xubuntu over lubuntu?
[21:52] <krytarik> As I said, I don't need extra lightweight, and I like the extra features of Xubuntu.
[21:53] <n-iCe> what are the extra features you use
[22:03] <krytarik> n-iCe: There are some - but generally it fits my taste better too.
[22:16] <n-iCe> done
[22:16] <n-iCe> lubuntu installed
[22:16] <n-iCe> :d
[22:16] <n-iCe> :D