[17:38] <Naughx> (I think it is xorg-related)
[17:38] <TJ-> theTroy: rc.local doesn't need 'sudo' since it is run by UID 0 at boot-time
[17:38] <dankan> TJ: can i create a separate X server for just a single application? a game on steam for example. all this using one monitor
[17:39] <TJ-> fausto: the display settings usually makes it reasonably clear. It requires an /etc/X11/xorg.conf to be generated (as opposed to relying on auto-detection each time the X server starts)
[17:39] <theTroy> TJ-: I am aware... I don't actually have them written as "sudo" apologies
[17:40] <jophish> Hi all
[17:40] <theTroy> TJ-: but the issue is present - the dump file exists but is empty. running the program in terminal produces output
[17:40] <nolsen> Which works better? fglrx(-updates)? or xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[17:40] <nolsen> Is the xorg drivers better?
[17:40] <TJ-> dankan: Well yes, although you can run whatever application(s) you want on the additional X screen - there are no limitations. mouse moves over all X screens, keyboard focus follows as usual. cut/copy/paste all work as expected.
[17:40] <jophish> My internet connection is terrible in Ubuntu, but in Windows on the same machine it's all fine. What's up?
[17:40] <zykotick9> theTroy: TIP consider that rc.local is run with NO PATH at all, verify you have full path names to all your commands...  good luck
[17:41] <nolsen> (does it have 3d acceleration? better performance? etc?)
[17:41] <jophish> I've tried disabling 802.11n and wireless power throttling
[17:41] <jophish> sometimes it just doesn't work at all
[17:41] <TJ-> theTroy: well, it depends on your script. Such issues usually are due to relying on variables in the shell environment that simply don't exist, or are different, at boot-time
[17:41] <theTroy> zykotick9: thanks, even if I don't run the program through rc.local and run it locally instead (as sudo ./script > log.log) I still get empty file
[17:41] <Naughx> Rebooting.
[17:42] <zykotick9> theTroy: ahh sudo is broken by > (i'd guess >> as well) you'd probably need tee or something
[17:42] <theTroy> TJ-: my script is a c++ program using printf that prints directly to the terminal... I am not sure what particular things I'd need to implement?
[17:42] <dankan> TJ: so if i run for example tux racer on another xscreen , both screens will capture my input at the same time? or its independent , and i have to switch screens with ctrl+shift+Fx?
[17:42] <TJ-> theTroy: Pro Tip. In your rc.local add a debug line of the form "/usr/bin/env >> /tmp/rc.local.env.log" and see what is set
[17:43] <theTroy> TJ-: cheers, will try that
[17:43] <TJ-> theTroy: are you using an absolute path to your executable? are the correct permissions set on it?
[17:43] <Naughx> Back
[17:44] <fausto> i'm going, thanks for the help TJ- and dankan
[17:44] <TJ-> fausto: good luck :)
[17:44] <fausto> thanks!
[17:44] <dankan> fausto: i didn't do nothing but you are welcome ;p
[17:44] <theTroy> TJ-: absolute paths everywhere, root permissions
[17:44] <theTroy> as the thing is ran as root
[17:45] <TJ-> theTroy: if you do "/path/to/your/exectuable >> /tmp/test.log" does the output show up in the log file?
[17:45] <diskin> theTroy: what is the full command in rc.local?
[17:46] <theTroy> TJ-: my rc.local basically has this line :  "./home/user/folder/remote >> /home/user/rmLog.log"
[17:46] <TJ-> theTroy: it sounds rather like your shell script command is misusing the redirection functionality, and therefore only creating an empty file.
[17:47] <diskin> theTroy: ./ is a relative path...
[17:47] <nolsen> Apparently nobody here can answer my question.
[17:48] <theTroy> diskin: the program itself is ran and performs actions that would result in terminal log though? (I'll remove the . though)
[17:48] <Naughx> ./ is usually the working directory.
[17:48] <nolsen> Which works better? fglrx(-updates)? or xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[17:48] <TJ-> theTroy: that "." means present working directory, and that isn't guaranteed to be "/"
[17:48] <zykotick9> Naughx: s/usually//
[17:49] <diskin> theTroy: yes, remove the "." before "/".
[17:49] <Naughx> @nolsen, it depends, but fglrx is proprietary.
[17:49] <nolsen> Naughx: I don't care about that, does the xorg work better than the fglrx?
[17:49] <nolsen> Like does it have 3d acceleration, opengl support, etc.
[17:50] <TJ-> nolsen: the only way to know is test it with the target hardware; different scenarios will result in different results.
[17:50] <Naughx> usually opensource drivers have less compatibily for acceleration.
[17:50] <TJ-> nolsen: support in the 2 drivers depends very much on which GPU it is
[17:50] <nolsen> It's an APU actually.
[17:52] <theTroy> diskin: removed the . - no change
[17:52] <Naughx> what is the full path to your program?
[17:53] <compdoc> some apus dont seem to work well because of gpu driver problems
[17:53] <nolsen> With what? the opensource driver?
[17:53] <Naughx> @theTroy
[17:54] <nolsen> AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics is what I have.
[17:54] <TJ-> theTroy: what does "/home/user/folder/remote" mean? is that the real path, or an example? and if so, what does the 'remote' part mean - truly the name of the executable, or indicating some binary accessed via a 'remote' network path?
[17:55] <diskin> theTroy: also you mentioned sudo - where is it?
[17:55] <TJ-> theTroy: I think you need to show is the *exact* content of "/etc/rc.local" in a pastebin
[17:55] <theTroy> TJ-: remote is the true name of the executable.. its a c++ compiled program
[17:56] <theTroy> TJ-: 1 second, playing around with tee as that what some stackexchange suggests for c++ using printf
[17:56] <TJ-> theTroy: right, so its in the local file-system?
[17:56] <theTroy> TJ-: correct, everything is local
[17:57] <Naughx> I thought c++ using cout not printf...
[17:57] <TJ-> theTroy: right. Will, if you're using printf()  that's a C library tool which writes to stdout. Are you by-chance using this on a systemd-init based system?
[17:57] <TJ-> Naughx: cout is the OO way of doing it, yes
[17:57] <theTroy> TJ-: ubuntu on raspberry pi
[17:57] <tambu> Anyone following openssh CVE-2015-5600 security risk? seems it's fixed but ubuntu doesn't appear to have updated the package.. Is there perhaps different repo to get the newest updates from?
[17:58] <TJ-> theTroy: Which Ubuntu release is it? "cat /etc/issue"
[17:58] <theTroy> TJ-: 14.04
[17:58] <theTroy> TJ-: maybe I just need to switch back to raspbian
[17:58] <TJ-> tambu: see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-5600.html
[17:59] <TJ-> theTroy: I can't image why. 14.04 is using the Upstart init system, so shouldn't be intercepting standard I/O
[17:59] <tambu> TJ- -- thanks I was actually reading that I couldn't get a link to paste for some reason.. but from what I read it shows an upstream patch.. but that would require compiling the source code no? which would then break apt-get openssh management wouldn't it?
[18:00] <TJ-> tambu: the CVE page shows the fixes are released
[18:00] <theTroy> TJ-: this was experimental setup anyway. Let me switch to raspbian... although that makes the question here irrelevant as its no longer ubuntu :/
[18:00] <tambu> TJ- but in 7.0+ of openssh and as far as I can tell I can't get ubuntu 15.10 to upgrade past version 6.9 which is vulnerable.
[18:01] <TJ-> theTroy: why not add a command into rc.local of the form "echo Testing >> /home/user/rmLog.log" to prove it works
[18:01] <tgrundle> hi, since i upgraded my ubuntu-minimal install from trusty to xenial whenever i boot the static ip in the /etc/network/interfaces is ignored, if i run service networking restart, the staic ip is set. Here are the details: http://pastebin.com/bCLkqMXT. Any ideas how to fix
[18:01] <TJ-> tambu: what are you on about? That pages shows the fix is *RELEASED* in 15.10
[18:02] <daftykins> tgrundle: xenial is not released, so you must use #ubuntu+1 to discuss it
[18:02] <tgrundle> sorry, mistype, meant wily
[18:02] <jophish> So, my wifi connection is terrible using ubuntu, but great on windows, however when I connect to my phone's hotspot it's great from ubuntu
[18:02] <Naughx> @tambu, they probably backported the fixes into 6.9?
[18:03] <tambu> Naughx: oh.. ok I see .. sorry from what I was reading it was fixed in 7.0+ I see Thank you
[18:04] <TJ-> tambu: do "zgrep -A 14 CVE-2015-5600 /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/changelog.Debian.gz "
[18:04] <TJ-> !ubottu be quiet!
[18:04] <TJ-> yes, we know!
[18:05] <FXpro> is anyone familiar with the distro called cyborg hawk?
[18:05] <Naughx> no
[18:05] <tambu> TJ- ok thanks for the command I can see the update in the changelog Thank you.. stupid security scan flagged my system because it wasn't on 7.0 or higher.. I guess it didn't know that the patch was backported.
[18:05] <daftykins> FXpro: not on topic here.
[18:05] <teward> !offtopic | FXpro
[18:05] <FXpro> I have 8gb of ram and I did not set a swap file.  cyborg is an ubuntu distro.
[18:06] <daftykins> tgrundle: hmm, i'm not familiar with some parameters you're issuing in the interfaces file there, i would try a minimal set personally
[18:06] <FXpro> probably the most eye candy one I have seen.
[18:06] <TJ-> tambu: ahhh, one of those stupid PCI compliance scanners?
[18:06] <daftykins> FXpro: no, we do not support derivatives
[18:06] <jophish> sudo su
[18:06] <jophish> echo "#disable ipv6" >> /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:06] <jophish> echo "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" >> /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:06] <jophish> echo "net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1" >> /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:06] <jophish> oops, sorry
[18:06] <daftykins> jophish: "sudo su" is bad practice
[18:06] <tambu> TJ- Yes I guess so wsa.beyondsecurity.com
[18:06] <Naughx> sudo -i is better
[18:06] <tambu> Does anyone have any good tools or sites for security scan updates on Ubuntu?
[18:06] <jophish> daftykins: yeah, I know, but I was just copypasting from a web page
[18:07] <daftykins> jophish: alright, as long as you know the difference ;)
[18:07] <jophish> :) don't worry
[18:07] <FXpro> on standard ubuntu, whats the swap file situation?  8gb of physical ram means I dont need to set a swap file or?
[18:07] <jophish> time to reboot and see if this fixes things
[18:07] <Naughx> if you don't hibernate, probably not
[18:08] <k1l_> tambu: ubuntu.com/usn/  that is where all the security updates are listed
[18:08] <daftykins> FXpro: no that's wholly wrong.
[18:09] <Bashing-om> FXpro: A small swap partition is cheap insurance even with 8 Gigs of ram .
[18:09] <Naughx> but a swap partition is better than a swap file
[18:10] <FXpro> oh, yes, same thing I thought
[18:10] <tambu> k1l_ Thanks I'll take a look to stay updated.
[18:10] <daftykins> not even vaguely the same thing
[18:10] <jophish> That didn't seem to fix things
[18:11] <k1l_> tambu: that are the patches you get when you run the updates on ubuntu.
[18:11] <Naughx> swap files don't even work with btrfs
[18:11] <jophish> The wireless connection seems to be great for the first couple of seconds, but after that it goes to super slow mode
[18:13] <TJ-> jophish: do you see lots of 'invalid' errors using "iwconfig"
[18:13] <dankan> FXpro: if you want to be sure you use your ram when its avaible instead of swap just change the swappiness
[18:14] <TJ-> tambu: if you have to keep up-to-date with CVEs its worth subscribing to the Ubuntu security mailing list
[18:14] <TJ-> tambu: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-security-announce
[18:15] <tambu> TJ- well I wouldn't say it's a job requirement or something.. but I do get paranoid about ssh.. my server is constantly being hit by idiots on ssh.. trying to brute force me.. I use fal2ban which does well bans the ip after 3 tries.. for 5 mins.. but sometimes they just switch to another IP and start again :P
[18:15] <TJ-> tambu: where, for the mentioned CVE, you'd have seen: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2015-August/003089.html
[18:15] <TJ-> tambu: simple solution. Don't expose SSH to the public internet. Require a VPN connection to use SSH.
[18:16] <k1l_> tambu: you can change the ban-period or even change to ban ipranges.
[18:16] <ikonia> you could also apply some geo rules
[18:16] <k1l_> tambu: else there is just few you can do to prevent bruteforce.
[18:16] <tambu> TJ- that gets tricky.. I tend to use it remotely a lot in places where most VPN traffic gets blocked even ssh does.. but I've found if I have openssh on 443 that tends to work.
[18:17] <ikonia> eg: you know you're never going to connect from China, Russia or Pakinstan - so block there whole range on port 22
[18:17] <TJ-> tambu: or, if your SSH access is always from a known set of IP address ranges, set a suitable netfilters firewall rule to only allow port 22 from those source address ranges
[18:17] <ikonia> narrow it down
[18:17] <FXpro> here is another one, how do you turn off the authentication nag every time you do something
[18:17] <Naughx> or he could use a whitelist?
[18:17] <Bassem> is there mixer in option for audio in like windows
[18:18] <tambu> Thanks guys all good suggestions, whitelist wouldn't work being remote I'd never know which one.. I was thinking about setting up shorewall to only open port 22 if you hit a certain combinations of parts, I've read about that somewhere
[18:18] <TJ-> tambu: or you could use a port-knocker, or email (I once set-up a server so it receives an encrypted email from me with the command to open a port on-demand)
[18:19] <tambu> port-knocker that sorta sounds like the idea I was considering
[18:19] <FXpro> I gotta admit, the whole linux thing has come a looooong way.
[18:19] <TJ-> tambu: right, but port-knocking can suffer if you're operating from behind a restrictive firewall (if its stopping VPNs it probably stops lots of other traffic too)
[18:20] <tambu> TJ- hrm.. thats a fair point. well maybe I can set it up somehow to use my cell phone and then feed in an IP .. I will take a look at it.
[18:20] <TJ-> tambu: sounds like the kind of firewall that blocks all outgoing by default, then allows just common traffic (TCP port 22, 80, 443, 25, 143), UDP port 53, etc
[18:20] <tambu> TJ- yup, or makes u proxy all outgoing traffic which as you pointed out would break port-knocking.
[18:21] <tambu> TJ- it sounds a bit silly but the email idea might work.. email from cell phone open ssh to this IP...
[18:21] <TJ-> tambu: right, which is where encrypted email (delivered directly to the server's MX) can work well
[18:21] <jophish> TJ-: What "invalid" error are you expecting to see
[18:21] <jophish> I've not noticed anything, but I'm using network-manager
[18:22] <Bashing-om> FXpro: "turn off the authentication nag every time you do something" Not good to fool mother linux, best practice is not to defeat the security measures .
[18:23] <TJ-> jophish: "iwconfig" reports 'invalid'  packet counts for several Tx/Rx operations; those should be close to, or at, zero. If they're big numbers and increase constantly, there may be a chipset/firmware/driver problem
[18:23] <Lep2> I am trying to install ubuntu 14.04 LTS with MBR, that won't boot, When I set bios to uefi It does work, Is there a reason for that? HP probook 6570B always worked as mbr
[18:23] <Lep2> The install medium won't boot under mbr, but does under uefi
[18:23] <Naughx> legacy mode?
[18:23] <Lep2> legacy mode works too
[18:24] <Lep2> But it is my only os so I rather use mbr
[18:24] <TJ-> Lep2: how does it 'not boot' - does the PC firmware report an error? hangs with a flashing cursor top-left? something else?
[18:24] <Lep2> If i boot, i get the purple screen with the keyboard icon on the bottom, than black screen
[18:24] <Lep2> If i boot it from uefi all perfect
[18:24] <Naughx> hmm
[18:24] <Lep2> I did not do a bios update
[18:25] <TJ-> Lep2: OK, so it does boot the installer, but you lose video during boot.
[18:25] <Lep2> Yup
[18:25] <jophish> TJ-: excessive retries is 74, and invalid misc is at 500 and increasing
[18:25] <TJ-> Lep2: that sounds like an issue that may be resolved by 'nomodeset'
[18:25] <jophish> not too helpful
[18:25] <Lep2> TJ- I tryd with nomodeset, that did not help
[18:25] <tgm4883> Lep2: why not just use UEFI?
[18:26] <TJ-> Lep2: most UEFI nowadays have a GOP for the GPU, and don't have a full video BIOS implementation, so that may be the issue. If it were me I'd use the UEFI boot mode.
[18:26] <Lep2> I am right now, I just would like to figure out why it suddenly won't work under mbr
[18:26] <jophish> ah, excessive retries increases when I use the internet
[18:26] <Lep2> Is uefi realy that better than mbr?
[18:26] <Naughx> updating the bios/uefi could maybe fix it?
[18:27] <TJ-> jophish: which wifi device is it? "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" should report its ID
[18:27] <tgm4883> Lep2: Ok, so it's just an exercise then and not actually trying to fix something that is broken
[18:27] <jophish> TJ-:  Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev 6b)
[18:27] <TJ-> Lep2: UEFI is not comparable to MBR - they are different things entirely. UEFI can boot from an MsDOS/MBR partitioned device just as easily as a GPT device - that is part of the UEFI specification
[18:28] <TJ-> jophish: aha, yes, we've seen some issues with the 7260. Which Ubuntu release are you using? "cat /etc/issue" ?
[18:28] <Naughx> yep uefi can boot from a mbr-partitioned device.
[18:28] <FXpro> is there anything for sound enhancement like a 3rd party eq or?
[18:29] <Naughx> also a bios can also boot from a gpt partition. (It just require a bios_grub partition in the case of ubuntu)
[18:29] <daftykins> FXpro: please stop trying to get support for your OTHER distro in here - advice will not apply.
[18:29] <TJ-> Lep2: the issue is the Compatability Support Module (CSM) a.k.a Legacy/BIOS boot method. It sounds like the BIOS routines may not be correctly/fully initialising the GPU
[18:29] <jophish> TJ-: 14.04, I had huge problems with my graphics card in later versions (nvidia optimus)
[18:29] <jophish> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/3e4b028ddfa69260cfc0
[18:29] <FXpro> it it is based on ubuntu, its not the same thing?
[18:29] <jophish> That's /etc/issue.net
[18:29] <jophish> That's /etc/issue *
[18:29] <TJ-> jophish: OK... and it using the hardware enablement stack's later kernel? " uname -r "
[18:30] <tgm4883> FXpro: no
[18:30] <Naughx> @FXpro, not a supported ubuntu-derivative
[18:30] <jophish> TJ-: 3.19.0-42-generic
[18:30] <tgm4883> FXpro: unless it's an official flavor of Ubuntu, it's not supported here
[18:30] <Naughx> Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, Mythbuntu...
[18:30] <FXpro> ok well thanks for letting me know.
[18:30] <Naughx> Linux Mint isn't supported too.
[18:30] <Naughx> Even if it is close to Ubuntu
[18:31] <FXpro> strick rules here!  hehe
[18:31] <TJ-> jophish: so the kernel from Vivid 15.04. That's good (avoids some of the Intel WiFi issues) but not all
[18:31] <Naughx> This channel is only for the official releases
[18:31] <tgm4883> FXpro: and for good reason
[18:32] <Naughx> #ubuntu-offtopic has less strict rules.
[18:32] <OerHeks> just to avoid confusion: other forks have their own issues.
[18:32] <TJ-> jophish: I'd suggest testing it with a recent mainline kernel build since, around v4.0, a *lot* of iwlwifi bugs were fixed (I used to suffer what you're describing with 802.11n).
[18:32] <TJ-> !mainline | jophish
[18:32] <FXpro> ok I will try it
[18:32] <waressearcher2> I can see load on CPU cores and programm switches from on core to another, is there a way to run program on some specific core ?
[18:33] <TJ-> waressearcher2: 'affinity'
[18:33] <waressearcher2> TJ-: is that a tool or what ?
[18:33] <TJ-> waressearcher2: see "man taskset"
[18:34] <jophish> TJ-: thanks! I'll give this a shot
[18:37] <Li> I changed the num-workspaces to 8 and then dconf update, but still viewing only 4 of them .. any suggestions?
[18:37] <ahmed__> a
[18:37] <ahmed__> hello
[18:37] <ahmed_ha> hello
[18:38] <Li> Salam ahmed_ha
[18:38] <waressearcher2> ahmed_ha: ciao
[18:38] <waressearcher2> ahmed_ha: hallo und herzlich willkommen
[18:39] <L0uk3> I can't seem to locate an apt-get parameter that allows su to upgrade the core linux files from ssh or a terminal. Those seem to require the use of the (Unity in my case) Software updater. Am I missing a obvious method?
[18:40] <k1l_> L0uk3: you are connected with ssh in a regular user account?
[18:40] <TJ-> L0uk3: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" will fetch/install new/upgraded packages. "sudo apt-get update" will fetch the newest package lists.
[18:40] <Burner420> Can someone give me some help with a few questions about installing ubuntu live on a thumbdrive with pendrivelinux usb installer?
[18:40] <k1l_> L0uk3: "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[18:42] <L0uk3> yup--I am connected with a admin user account. I run my update/upgrade scripts which require SU. IT allows the upgrade of everything except the core files. "full-upgrade" might be that parameter I am missing. Thanks k1l_
[18:42] <Burner420> does pendrivelinux usb installer allow you to create a live version of ubuntu on the usb drive and run it soley off the usb stick?
[18:42] <daftykins> Burner420: you can boot a live session, but no changes will be kept.
[18:43] <Burner420> daftykins: thats fine I just want to use it for learning c
[18:43] <L0uk3> Thanks k1l_  and TJ- I'll try it an modify the scripts. All my machines are on the latest having just done it manually but will test it soon. Cheers.
[18:44] <Burner420> daftykins: would it be worth using an external HD, I just dont want to install it on the current laptop I'm using
[18:45] <daftykins> Burner420: you could boot from the USB flash drive and install to the external HDD, however you would need to be careful during setup to avoid affecting your actual install. are you sure using a VM wouldn't be easier ?
[18:45] <hellpirat> :)
[18:46] <hellpirat> guys what you think about dual boot:?
[18:46] <Burner420> I'm using one of those cheap ass hp laptops I only have like 30gigs
[18:46] <waressearcher2> hellpirat: it works
[18:46] <Burner420> I'm using almost all of the hd for win10 atm
[18:47] <hellpirat> I want to play games : )
[18:47] <hellpirat> but Wine is good choice for me (
[18:47] <hellpirat> is not*
[18:47] <waressearcher2> Burner420: win 0x0010
[18:47] <Burner420> waressearcher2: huh?
[18:48] <waressearcher2> Burner420: that is how you call it
[18:48] <k1l_> hellpirat: then make a dualboot.
[18:49] <Burner420> waressearcher2: okay.  y
[18:49] <hellpirat> yeah I think about it : )
[18:49] <waressearcher2> anyone knows if using "taskset 1 some_program" makes it faster ? I mean it disables core jumping so it is always runs on one core
[18:50] <waressearcher2> or when it switches from core to core it heats less and better for CPU ?
[18:51] <k1l_> waressearcher2: or it is slower since other processes use that core too.
[18:51] <waressearcher2> k1l_: what if its only one heavy process ?
[18:52] <k1l_> waressearcher2: well, imho they had a reason to make it work like it works now.
[18:52] <hellpirat> : )
[18:56] <hellpirat> But what about performance?
[18:56] <nolsen> What does ubuntu use by default for greeter? mdm or lightdm?
[18:56] <k1l_> nolsen: lightdm
[18:57] <k1l_> hellpirat: what do you mean? you said you dont want to use wine. so if you have windows only games use a windows then.
[19:00] <hellpirat> Will this affect the speed of my computer?
[19:00] <k1l_> hellpirat: what exactly?
[19:03] <derener> can someone guide me how to make a bug report? do i need an account?
[19:03] <derener> i found an overwrite problem in dpkg
[19:03] <k1l_> yes, you need a launchpad.net account
[19:04] <hellpirat> I'm just using my Ubuntu for job : ) I'm Python Developer now : ) Will be everything okay on my Ubuntu ?  Not lagging with another OS on my pc ?
[19:04] <k1l_> !bug | derener
[19:04] <hellpirat> I hope my English is good for you : (
[19:04] <k1l_> hellpirat: dualboot will not slow down the ubuntu install. just be aware where you install the other OS in what partitions.
[19:05] <k1l_> hellpirat: better to backup all important data
[19:05] <hellpirat> oh okay : )
[19:05] <TJ-> derener: what kind of over-write problem is it?
[19:06] <derener> 2 packages have the same file but in dpkg they don't have CONFLICT tag.
[19:06] <TJ-> derener: Is that due to multilib? I know there used to be a few packages like that
[19:07] <remmona_dash> hi; anyway to add the speed of mouse pointer in numpad-mouse emulation IN Gnome?
[19:07] <derener> the file is /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service packages:account-plugin-google, kde-config-telepathy-accounts
[19:07] <k1l_> derener: that sounds more like a maintainer issue?
[19:07] <TJ-> derener: the bug should be posted against the offending package(s), not dpkg, though
[19:08] <tgm4883> yea that's a maintainer issue. You should file a bug against both packages
[19:09] <derener> can someone file the bug report instead of me? i am bad at this
[19:09] <TJ-> derener: what file is it?
[19:10] <TJ-> derener: which ubuntu release ?
[19:11] <derener> file is /usr/share/accounts/services/google-im.service ubuntu 15.10 account-plugin-google kde-config-telepathy-accounts <--- these are the two packages that have the same file but don't have a CONFLICT set
[19:12] <TJ-> derener: ahh yes, that's one we know about
[19:13] <derener> ok thanks no need to make a bug report
[19:14] <TJ-> derener: I've found a similar bug 1475828  and I think there's one for the file you mentioned, too
[19:16] <derener> i was trying to install kubuntu-desktop package and this appeared stopping me from installing it
[19:16] <TJ-> derener: Yes; it's a by-product of the way the Kubuntu devs package it. They re-package upstream directly and don't add any Kubuntu-specific patches, which means these things can happen
[19:17] <poops> hi. i need help extending root volume using gparted. http://screenpresso.com/=jM7xb
[19:17] <poops> can anyone help please?
[19:17] <cod3fish3r> sate
[19:17] <cod3fish3r> date
[19:18] <cod3fish3r> exit
[19:19] <TJ-> poops: you don't need to extend the sda5 partition to do that, as it has LVM. just create a new partition in that unallocated space, then do "sudo pvcreate /dev/sda3 && sudo vgextend VG_NAME /dev/sda3" (if sda3 is the new partition )
[19:19] <cod3fish3r> exit
[19:20] <poops> Thanks TJ- can u point me to an article that fits my needs?
[19:20] <TJ-> poops: you can't extend sda5 into that space without also growing the sda2 extended. I'm not sure gparted allows resizing an extended partition
[19:20] <TJ-> poops: I'm not aware of an article on this; I'm speaking from a lot of experience.
[19:21] <poops> no no I know. I just need a step by step. dont want to mess it up
[19:21] <TJ-> poops: will gparted allow you to create a partition in the "unallocated" space?
[19:21] <poops> yes it will
[19:21] <k1l_> poops: is this a live ubuntu? or the installed ubuntu?
[19:22] <k1l_> poops: *running
[19:22] <poops> its installed
[19:22] <TJ-> poops: OK, then do that, then use a shell to run the 2 commands I gave with the correct VG_NAME and /dev/sdaX of the new partition
[19:22] <poops> but i powered it off for this part
[19:22] <k1l_> poops: ok, so you are not booted into that install.
[19:22] <poops> no. i booted into gparted
[19:23] <poops> i now booted back into ubuntu
[19:23] <poops> should i paste here fdisk -l ?
[19:25] <daftykins> not into the channel, no
[19:26] <poops> of course not. im gonna use pastebin
[19:26] <poops> if thats ok
[19:27] <renn0xtk9> anybody ever installed arduino on ubunut?
[19:30] <theTroy> TJ-: well the end result is that I have not figured it out. Raspbian / ubuntu etc. Apparently printf just works like that ... switching to file logging in the actual software now
[19:30] <nolsen> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14391023/
[19:30] <nolsen> How to fix?
[19:31] <nolsen> Trying to switch over from Unity to KDE.
[19:31] <TJ-> theTroy: no, printf() writes to the stdout device, unless you've compiled in some additional direct-console-output library
[19:32] <TJ-> nolsen: that's a bug in the KDE packages; try asking the Kubuntu developers in #kubuntu-devel or #kubuntu. You're the 2nd person in the last hour asking about it
[19:32] <caballero> nolsen: have you consider simply installing Kubuntu?
[19:33] <eelstrebor> i installed the tvheadend repository but when i did apt-get install it reports that the package doesn't exist
[19:33] <BluesKaj> nolsen:  installing via kubuntu-desktop?
[19:33] <nolsen> BluesKaj: Yes.
[19:33] <TJ-> eelstrebor: did you first do "sudo apt-get update" to fetch the package lists?
[19:33] <nolsen> caballero: I am tired of hopping OSes, plus ubuntu has a newer kernel than kubuntu.
[19:33] <daftykins> nolsen: that's a wholly false statement
[19:33] <eelstrebor> TJ-, yep
[19:33] <TJ-> nolsen: kernels are identical
[19:33] <BPTtone> Hello, all... my ubuntu 12.04 froze a few minutes ago. I could not use the keyboard to go to tty or anything, required hard-reboot. This is the error: *ERROR* Power management discrepancy: GEN6_RP_INTERRUPT_LIMITS
[19:33] <bekks> nolsen: Which is not true, the kernels are the same.
[19:34] <TJ-> eelstrebor: try "apt-cache policy <package-name>"
[19:34] <nolsen> Well last time I used kubuntu, it eventually got overruned by segfault errors from plasma.
[19:34] <nolsen> So I aint switching back.
[19:34] <TJ-> eelstrebor: it may be the package isn't available from that repository for the Ubuntu release
[19:34] <eelstrebor> TJ-, N: Unable to locate package tvheadend
[19:35] <nolsen> I guess I could try running KDE now.
[19:35] <eelstrebor> the webpage says that trusty is supported
[19:35] <daftykins> eelstrebor: can you link to it? i'd bet you have the wrong name.
[19:35] <TJ-> nolsen: 'Kubuntu' is the ubuntu-minimal + kubuntu-desktop. There's no difference in the underlying packages so if you're tryin to install 'kubuntu-desktop' package you'll end up in the same situation.
[19:35] <bekks> nolsen: you did not answer wether you are using "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[19:35] <poops> Hey TJ- hope u can help http://pastebin.com/0DzZF6ZY
[19:35] <TJ-> eelstrebor: try "apt-cache search -n tvheadend"
[19:36] <caballero> nolsen: kubuntu 15.10 with Plasma 5 runs flawlessly on my acer Aspire S7, besides powermanagement in Kubuntu are phenomenal! You should try it and see if you like it...at least take it for a spin...you don't have to install it!
[19:36] <TJ-> poops: is it /dev/sda you want to use the space on?
[19:36] <eelstrebor> daftykins, i can link to the repository
[19:37] <poops> yes
[19:37] <poops> one thing to note
[19:37] <daftykins> eelstrebor: yes
[19:37] <eelstrebor> http://apt.tvheadend.org/release/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/
[19:37] <poops> the root partition uses 2 vmware disks currently each was 8 gb
[19:37] <poops> so total of 16gb
[19:37] <poops> i increased the size of one of the disks to 12 from 8
[19:37] <BPTtone> I guess there is no remedy, eh?  Will continue to try and google... thanks anyway
[19:38] <eelstrebor> TJ-, apt-cache search -n tvheadend gives me kodi packages with tvheadend in the name but no standalone app
[19:38] <poops> df -h: http://pastebin.com/tiysA5iP
[19:38] <TJ-> poops: use "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" and then create a "n"ew "p"primary partition, starting at sector "16775168" and using all the remaining space (press Enter to accept default value). Then set the "t"ype of the new partition to "8e"
[19:38] <nolsen> <bekks> nolsen: you did not answer wether you are using "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[19:38] <TJ-> eelstrebor: so the PPA isn't providing it for your release then
[19:38] <nolsen> ...
[19:38] <nolsen> i already did.
[19:38] <bekks> nolsen: you didnt. :)
[19:39] <padrecarlo> Hi pro users, my Ubuntu always lost WiFi connection, any idea why?
[19:39] <nolsen> Yes, I did. and I'm not repeating myself.
[19:39] <bekks> nolsen: Good. ME neither. Good luck in solving your issue.
[19:39] <daftykins> eelstrebor: "cat /etc/issue" to confirm?
[19:39] <nolsen> And KDE starts with a black screen.
[19:39] <nolsen> What now ._.
[19:39] <poops> TJ, Partition number (1-4, default 3): ?
[19:39] <TJ-> poops: correct, press Enter to accept default
[19:40] <eelstrebor> daftykins, cat /etc/issue gives Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[19:40] <daftykins> nolsen: don't give volunteers attitude, if you expect help... be prepared to provide answers.
[19:41] <daftykins> eelstrebor: did you add the repo via the guide pages' "sudo apt-add-repository http://apt.tvheadend.org/release" example ?
[19:41] <caballero> nolsen: we are all here to help...but NOT obligated to do so...perhaps a better attitude will get you further help.
[19:41] <poops> TJ, sorry im being naggy: http://pastebin.com/W3ii2EBM press enter?
[19:41] <eelstrebor> daftykins, yep, including adding GPG key
[19:41] <poops> TJ, why 16775168 btw?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> bekks:  I asked nolsen if he installed via kubuntu-desktop and he replied yes, but I ddn't ask if he used sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[19:42] <keli_> ive been trying to download a dreanweaver alternative for ubuntu but which will u guys suggest
[19:42] <eelstrebor> i guess there's a way to set it up in kodi plugin but i was looking for a standalone app
[19:43] <TJ-> poops: you're not being naggy, you're being cautious. The last used sector is 1 before that number. So you're starting to use the first sector of unallocated space. The Last sector prompt is suggesting the last sector of the drive, since the drive has a total of 25165824 sectors
[19:43] <bekks> BluesKaj: I found it in the backlog too. But I'm not obligated to help users with an attitude like that. Maybe someone else will do - I'm resting that case.
[19:43] <poops> thanks TJ- Partition number (1-5): ?
[19:43] <daftykins> eelstrebor: had a feeling this would end up in a Kodi topic, sure there's not better advice on the wiki as to the best approach for this? i've just opened the trusty package files and they're empty :D
[19:44] <LTCD> Hi. http://askubuntu.com/questions/179363/can-i-disconnect-an-ejected-drive-even-if-it-is-still-spinning This is the exact error I have, even on Mint. Why do I not get this on Windows and Mac? Seems like a fundamental flaw to me.
[19:44] <BluesKaj> bekks:  yes, undestood
[19:44] <eelstrebor> there aren't many apps for DVB - at least not many that work "properly"
[19:44] <TJ-> poops: your previous 'fdisk -l' shows the extended in sda2 uses sectors 501758 to   16775167 so you're starting immediately after that
[19:44] <daftykins> eelstrebor: addons i assume you mean, not really on topic here. #kodi exists (i'm there also)
[19:44] <TJ-> poops: default partition number it suggests; would expect it to be '3' which is what it has chosen
[19:45] <poops> Sit is 3
[19:45] <eelstrebor> ok
[19:45] <k1l_> eelstrebor: vlc can play dvb. at least i am using it to play a channels.conf
[19:45] <poops> TJ-:  but in this stage it does not suggest a default one
[19:46] <daftykins> eelstrebor: the "stable" repo has some non-zero file sizes, change your entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ then apt-get update; then i bet the result will hcange
[19:46] <daftykins> change, too
[19:46] <eelstrebor> k1l_, it's not a very user friendly app for this - near as i can tell you can't select a program from a mux
[19:46] <poops> TJ-:  halp! http://pastebin.com/zJPL5bve does this sound normal?
[19:47] <TJ-> poops: your pastebin showed "Partition number (1-4, default 3):" then "Using default value 3" which is what I was referring to
[19:47] <k1l_> eelstrebor: it works to play a channels.conf.
[19:47] <eelstrebor> k1l_, another problem with generating channels list is that the apps used to do that don't provide a 10750 MHz LNB
[19:47] <TJ-> poops: don't worry, that is expected. now do "sudo partprobe /dev/sda" then pastebin the result of "cat /proc/partitions"
[19:48] <poops> TJ-:  ok done. df looks the same. should I see something else?
[19:49] <TJ-> poops: pastebin the result of "cat /proc/partitions"
[19:49] <poops> here ya go TJ- http://pastebin.com/cPvm6HaV
[19:50] <TJ-> poops: you see there the kernel now knows about the new partition: "  8        3    4195328 sda3"
[19:50] <TJ-> poops: so now do "sudo pvcreate /dev/sda3"
[19:51] <TJ-> poops: your LVM VG on /dev/sda is called "monitorintg2", si that correct?
[19:51] <poops> yes
[19:51] <poops> http://pastebin.com/w1hXLm0H
[19:51] <TJ-> poops: so now add that PV to it with "sudo vgextend monitorintg2 /dev/sda3"
[19:52] <TJ-> poops: and now if you do "vgdisplay monitorintg2" you'll see the new free space shows up
[19:53] <poops> it does
[19:53] <poops> now lvextend  ?
[19:53] <TJ-> poops: correct
[19:53] <padrecarlo> L
[19:54] <poops> lvextend /dev/monitorintg2/root /dev/sda3 ?
[19:54] <TJ-> poops: yes. and after that you may need to resize the file-system inside that LV. if it's an ext* then simply "resize2fs /dev/mapper/monitorintg2-root" will do an online resize
[19:55] <poops> worked TJ- !! god bless you!
[19:55] <poops> u have done ur good deed of the day
[19:55] <ikonia> one of many
[19:55] <TJ-> If only all of life were so simple! :D
[19:55] <Oslo-Mann> hei all
[19:56] <Oslo-Mann> can I ask a question regarding installing ubuntu
[19:56] <poops> how do I give you gold ? ;)
[19:57] <Oslo-Mann> how can I install ubuntu as the main OS
[19:57] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | Oslo-Mann
[19:58] <unlike> Bugboy1028, is that you?
[19:59] <valtrip> powertop showing network interface usb0  consuming 7.8W -- phone tethered ,, isn'that tooo much??
[20:00] <bekks> valtrip: Why do you think so?
[20:00] <poops> oh crap! TJ- seems my filesystem in in readonly mode now
[20:00] <poops> Can't unlink pid file "/opt/splunk/var/run/splunk/splunkd.pid": Read-only file system
[20:01] <a_> kkk
[20:02] <valtrip> bekks: total power conu 21W ,, battery getting drained sooo early ,,,
[20:02] <bekks> valtrip: Yeah. Dont use that USB device then.
[20:03] <Bashing-om> poops: TJ- Is off to dinner . wait .
[20:04] <nolsen> Well I got it fixed, KDE is installed. But it changed the plymouth logo ._.
[20:04] <nolsen> from the ubuntu startup screen to kubuntu, how do I reverse it?
[20:04] <Judge_Dredd> Hi, where can I download ubuntu desktop preinstalled disk images for qemu?
[20:04] <Judge_Dredd> x86
[20:07] <BluesKaj> Judge_Dredd:  justhe regular images will do, there's nothing special for VMs
[20:07] <Judge_Dredd> what do you mean?
[20:08] <Judge_Dredd> BluesKaj: what regular images?
[20:09] <nolsen> Eh, I'll just install kubuntu...
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Judge_Dredd:   http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[20:10] <Judge_Dredd> they're iso
[20:10] <Judge_Dredd> I need hard disk image
[20:10] <Judge_Dredd> like qcow2
[20:10] <BluesKaj> Noah:  that's usually the best approach
[20:10] <Judge_Dredd> or vmdk
[20:12] <lars_> How do i disable ubuntus use of the windows button?
[20:12] <lars_> Super annoying
[20:13] <BluesKaj> Judge_Dredd:  http://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/
[20:14] <msev-1> I'm not getting any answer in the mate channel so i'll repost here (I know its not nice but i need help :) )  how come i can't find ruby-sqlite3 and ruby-sequel in the 14.04 repo, for xubuntu 14.04 i know i installed that without problems
[20:15] <CyberGabber> Judge_Dredd: check http://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/
[20:16] <BluesKaj> heh, 2 of us found that site, wonder why he couldn't
[20:16] <Judge_Dredd> BluesKaj, CyberGabber thanks much, that's what I need!
[20:16] <Judge_Dredd> BluesKaj: I didn't know of it
[20:16] <BluesKaj> Judge_Dredd:  well, google is your friend....at times
[20:17] <Guy1524> hey guys, how do I use multiple monitors on my laptop, I have a nvidia gtx 960m and ubuntu 15.10 (gnome), whenever I try plugging in a hdmi cord it doesn't work.  I heard something about nvidia optimus support for linux being bad
[20:17] <Judge_Dredd> BluesKaj: at times it isn't ...
[20:17] <lars_> Noone knows?
[20:17] <lars_> It isnt in keyboard shortcuts
[20:17] <Guy1524> by the way, I am using the proprietary drivers
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Judge_Dredd:  yeah, hence the qualifier
[20:18] <Judge_Dredd> I found some but they where old
[20:19] <Judge_Dredd> like 2012
[20:19] <lars_> dconf write /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/unityshell/show-launcher '""'
[20:19] <lars_> That works :P
[20:20] <Judge_Dredd> https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=2IGJVsvZOeiV8Qez2qKQCw&gws_rd=ssl#q=ubuntu+15.10+qemu+image
[20:21] <poops> TJ-: are u back ?
[20:22] <daftykins> poops: i believe he's enjoying some food
[20:23] <poops> thanks daftykins
[20:23] <daftykins> you can remount read-write usually with a simple "sudo mount -o remount,rw /mount/point" but i haven't followed what you're doing
[20:30] <cesaricchio> buonasera
[20:30] <cesaricchio> c'è qualche italiano?
[20:31] <Bashing-om> !it | cesaricchio
[20:31] <poops> daftykins: tried this. got mount: cannot remount block device /dev/mapper/AppData-splunk_data read-write, is write-protected
[20:32] <cesaricchio> grazie
[20:34] <daftykins> poops: ah nevermind then :>
[20:34] <Guy1524> is it a good idea to install bumblebee on and nvidia optimis graphics card?
[20:35] <anonymous> you guys
[20:35] <TJ-> poops: wassup?
[20:35] <Guest96902> can u kelp me with something real quick
[20:36] <poops> TJ-: not sure its related to what I did before but now one of my FS has become read only
[20:36] <Bashing-om> Guy1524: BembleBee "may" work better .. but is now depreciated in favor of nvidia-prime .
[20:36] <Guest96902> i used setoolkit and it saved a report, i cfant find it anymore
[20:36] <TJ-> poops: have you checked the system log files for clues?
[20:36] <poops> i do get errors on it at boot but the fsck cannot run on it for some reason
[20:36] <TJ-> poops: 'errors' ... what kind?
[20:37] <TJ-> poops: 'errors' could mean I/O errors, meaning a failing device
[20:37] <Guest96902> anyone know?
[20:37] <Guest96902> where to find setoolkit reports?
[20:38] <TJ-> !find setoolkit
[20:38] <poops> TJ-:  http://screenpresso.com/=2uoK
[20:38] <Guest96902> i have backbox
[20:38] <Guest96902> i used setoolkit a while ago, and saved the report once finished but now i need to go back to the report
[20:38] <Guest96902> and i cant find it
[20:40] <TJ-> Guest96902: Backbox isn't Ubuntu; it just uses it as the basis for its own functions. You'd need to ask the people that deal with setoolkit
[20:40] <poops> TJ-: http://screenpresso.com/=EklQe
[20:40] <TJ-> poops: can you "pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/kern.log )"
[20:41] <poops> I selected "try to fix"
[20:41] <TJ-> poops: if the device is failing no amount of trying to fix the file-system is going to help. in fact it might make it worse.
[20:41] <poops> http://screenpresso.com/=y9cAd
[20:41] <poops> should I cancel?
[20:42] <TJ-> poops: is it possible that the reason that 4GiB was unused on /dev/sda was because that region contains bad sectors?
[20:42] <poops> no
[20:42] <poops> its vmware
[20:42] <poops> added a new "disk"
[20:42] <TJ-> poops: well there's something nasty looking going on based on those screenshots
[20:43] <poops> yea
[20:43] <poops> isnt fcsk the only way to fix?
[20:44] <TJ-> poops: some of those erros are in AppData-splunk-data, which if I recall correctly, isn't on that /dev/sda device you worked with earlier
[20:44] <TJ-> poops: which suggests an underlying wider problem on the host, if Ubuntu is in a virtual machine
[20:45] <poops> cant it be just a normal filesystem corruption?
[20:46] <TJ-> poops: there's no such thing as "normal file-system corruption"
[20:46] <TJ-> poops: you have multiple errors there affecting multiple storage devices
[20:47] <poops> its just vmdk on nfs
[20:47] <TJ-> poops: /boot fails mount; monitorintg2-root is write-protected,  AppData-splunk_data has file-system errors.
[20:47] <TJ-> poops: suspect an NFS problem then
[20:47] <poops> dont think so
[20:48] <poops> many other vmdks on it
[20:48] <poops> no issues
[20:48] <TJ-> poops: use the logs to identify what is going on
[20:49] <poops> crap
[20:49] <poops> . cant be nmounted now
[20:50] <poops>  /
[20:51] <poops> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/2QfG5hD7
[20:56] <poops> TJ-: there must be something I can do to salvage this!
[20:56] <poops> its not hardware related
[20:56] <poops> help me ob1 ur my only hope
[20:57] <parikshith> hi guys
[20:59] <TJ-> poops: the issue appears to be a symptom of some problem on the VMWare host/guest interface. The only clue I see is "vmci: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" which means the guest's vmci contains structures that don't match the running kernel.
[21:00] <poops> TJ-: rebooted again, this time root was mounted
[21:00] <poops> but not the other ext4 oartitions
[21:00] <poops> does it help?
[21:02] <TJ-> poops: not sure; it's not clear what the cause of the issues are. It's clear that multiple devices/file-systems are affected though, on separate virtual storage devices too
[21:02] <crippa> I'm trying to format an usb stick via gparted but my system doesn't seem to find the device. any help? Here's the output of my dmesg.
[21:02] <crippa> http://pastebin.ca/3315749
[21:02] <k1l_> crippa: what is on that usb stick?
[21:04] <k1l_> crippa: is that all output from dmesg?
[21:05] <TJ-> crippa: that Innostor Technology Corporation USB device seems to have hundreds of reports of the same failure - corrupted device internal
[21:05] <crippa> k1l_: that's it
[21:06] <k1l_> crippa: what kernel?
[21:06] <crippa> on the device there should be a bootable partition
[21:06] <crippa> 3.16
[21:06] <demos> Hello!
[21:06] <TJ-> crippa: the device's firmware has been corrupted
[21:06] <k1l_> crippa: "lsb_release -d"?
[21:06] <Guest72386> Есть тут русскоговорящие?
[21:07] <nicomachus> !ru | Guest72386
[21:07] <crippa> k1l_: mint 17, rafaela
[21:07] <daftykins> !mint
[21:07] <crippa> TJ-: sure?
[21:07] <daftykins> crippa: not supported here.
[21:07] <k1l_> crippa: ask the mint guys if there is another kernel or how to solve that.
[21:07] <regedit> hello
[21:08] <crippa> well it's a usb stick.. should be the same in every os
[21:08] <crippa> distro
[21:08] <daftykins> we don't help with it here, connect to the above server and join the channel mentioned - that's all.
[21:08] <k1l_> crippa: then please ask ##linux or ##hardware or use the support channels from mint that are autostart in your irc client
[21:09] <regedit> i just resized my system drive (enlarged it) and now it takes forEVER to boot up. I'm seeing a bunch of messages about "fsck from util-linux...Kubuntu(old version number): recovering journal...clean ####/#### files ####/#### blocks"
[21:10] <johnqpublic> I'm having some issues mounting an encrypted HDD from another Ubuntu system, can someone give me advice on troubleshooting that?
[21:11] <climjark> hello all, got a couple questions, what the changes between 15.04. 15.10 and what will be new in 16.04?
[21:11] <thegreenhundred> i'm at an initramfs screen, trying to start ubuntu from mdadm raid0
[21:11] <k1l_> climjark: i would take a look into the release notes of 15.10
[21:11] <thegreenhundred> how do I manually assemble the md0?
[21:11] <k1l_> climjark: 16.04 is not freezed, so there is still some changes since it will be released in april
[21:11] <nicomachus> johnqpublic: https://askubuntu.com/questions/63594/mount-encrypted-volumes-from-command-line
[21:11] <TJ-> johnqpublic: what kind of encryption - full disk, or home directory ?
[21:12] <johnqpublic> TJ-: full dis
[21:12] <johnqpublic> *disk
[21:12] <TJ-> johnqpublic: so presumably using LUKS/dm_crypt ?
[21:12] <johnqpublic> nicomachus: thanks I'll try that
[21:12] <johnqpublic> TJ-: yes, to the best of my knowledge.  It's the default in the installer
[21:12]  * regedit waits patiently in the waiting room to see TJ-
[21:13] <regedit> :p
[21:13] <Cookie1990> Servus, I have only 1 Question, I run Gnome Shell as Desktop manager and want to add Eclipse in the Dash, how do I do that?
[21:13] <k1l_> regedit: that sounds like its fscking the partition. i would let it run
[21:13] <TJ-> johnqpublic: so "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXY crypt_device1"
[21:13] <regedit> k1l_: but.... but it does so *every* reboot?... something's not right
[21:14] <k1l_> regedit: uh. is the hdd ok?
[21:14] <regedit> k1l_: additinally i've been having a hard time reinstating the SWAP. Efforts to either modify the new UUID to the old one, or change the old swap UUID to the new one have so far failed...
[21:14] <TJ-> regedit: what did you actually resize? A partition + file-system, an LVM volume?
[21:15] <regedit> k1l_: was OK for a while now, no known issues, just deleted some partitions and expanded some remaining ones (including linux system partition)
[21:15] <TJ-> regedit: you should know by now there is no "just" in "...just deleted some partitions and expanded some..." !! :D
[21:16] <regedit> TJ-: i was removing my windows OS, some 3 partitions or so deleted with gparted, then moved around & expanded the remaining EFI & linux ones
[21:16] <regedit> TJ-: indeed....
[21:16] <TJ-> regedit: "moved around" ... uhuh
[21:16] <k1l_> regedit: moving partitions causes a lot of stress so that can be the final punch.
[21:16] <TJ-> regedit: partition once; then leave! Use LVM and then you don't need to mess with partitioning at all
[21:16] <regedit> hey i did my due dilligence - i came on IRC (several channels) and bugged people mutiple times over to find out how safe it is and what are the steps
[21:17] <regedit> :D
[21:17] <johnqpublic> TJ-: so in that line, "/dev/sdXY" is the device node for the encrypted drive that I want to decrypt, but what would I want to use for "crypt_device1"?  From the link that nicomachus sent me and the cryptsetup man page, it can be any arbitrary string, right?
[21:17] <TJ-> regedit: if you're seeing errors on repeated boots that could be due to when the system is shutdown it isn't flushing/syncing all data/metadata to disk before the power goes off
[21:17] <regedit> not sure if the above SWAP issues are related ^
[21:18] <regedit> TJ-: hm ok, what can i do to investigate that?
[21:19] <TJ-> johnqpublic: e.g. if the external device is now at /dev/sdc4 you'd do 'cryptsetup /dev/sdc4 crypt_device1" ( that last name can be anything you choose. It is used as a Device Mapper name for the new device, and you'll find it under /dev/mapper/).  Once that appears you can open the file-sytems contained within. E.g. if there were just an ext* file-system in it you could do "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/target; sudo
[21:19] <TJ-> mount /dev/mapper/crypt_device1 /mnt/target"
[21:20] <johnqpublic> TJ-: thanks, I'll let you know if it works
[21:20] <TJ-> regedit: is the system being suspended, and then running out of power (which could potentially lose the in-RAM state of the file-systems)
[21:20] <regedit> ...i.o.w. i currently have no swap, altho i do have swap space available. Not sure whether (and how best) to change the new swap's UUID so it gets picked up by current fstab or wtvr, or whether/how to delete traces of old swap and setup a fresh one
[21:22] <TJ-> regedit: if it is encrypted swap there are some well-known problems that causes that symptom with lost UUID on each reboot, and is easily fixed too
[21:23] <OerHeks> there is a good swap manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[21:23] <[Mew2]> guys
[21:23] <[Mew2]> when i login with winscp
[21:24] <[Mew2]> i dont have sudo access by default
[21:24] <[Mew2]> is there an option to allow this?
[21:24] <k1l_> [Mew2]: login to an account that is in the sudo group. or make that user you use member of the sudo group
[21:24] <[Mew2]> i have no idea hwo to do this
[21:25] <k1l_> [Mew2]: if its not your system ask the admin if that is possible at all
[21:25] <[Mew2]> there is only one user and it doesnt have root
[21:25] <k1l_> [Mew2]: what system is it and is it your system?
[21:25] <TJ-> [Mew2]: k1l_ that wouldn't work for scp though, since there's no way to do the shell sudo challenge (unlike with ssh -tt ... sudo dothis"
[21:25] <[Mew2]> my system and ubuntu serber 14.04 lts
[21:26] <[Mew2]> so the winscp ftp cant have sudo access?  i have to chmod every file in terminal and then chmod it back when im done
[21:26] <Sebastien> Command:	rm "/var/www/html/index.html"
[21:26] <Sebastien> Error:	rm /var/www/html/index.html: permission denied
[21:26] <Sebastien> how would one fix this in filezilla?
[21:26] <[Mew2]> ^^
[21:26] <k1l_> oh, its about winscp. had regular ssh login in my mind
[21:26] <[Mew2]> Sebastien same issue, it needs root somehow
[21:27] <Sebastien> im using the .pem key and everything in the SFTP settings.
[21:27] <TJ-> [Mew2]: the scp user account on the target would need write/traverse permissions for the target directory/files, which would imply that the user@ would need to be a member of a group that has those permissions
[21:27] <Sebastien> my main user "ubuntu" is a sudoer so...
[21:27] <k1l_> no root permissions needed
[21:27] <k1l_> put your user into the www-data group
[21:27] <Sebastien> well looks like it needs to be in a sudo group
[21:27] <[Mew2]> ubuntu is not root, but can use sudo
[21:27] <TJ-> [Mew2]: alternatively, use 'setfacl ...' on the target to give user@ write permissions
[21:27] <Sebastien> sudoer is the same
[21:27]  * Sebastien does not give a damm about security
[21:27] <Sebastien> so
[21:27] <k1l_> guys, no need for root
[21:27] <Sebastien> how do i hack this
[21:28] <bekks> Sebastien: sudo is irrelevant, www-data is needed.
 put your user into the www-data group
[21:28] <Sebastien> how would one do this?
[21:28] <k1l_> sudo adduser user group
[21:29] <Sebastien> sudo adduser ubuntu www-data  ?
[21:29] <TJ-> Sebastien: after adding the user to www-data you'd also need to give the www-data group write permissions to those directories
[21:29] <Sebastien> TJ-, how?
[21:29] <TJ-> Sebastien: e.g. "sudo chmod -R g+w /var/www/html"
[21:30] <regedit> so sorry TJ- / k1l_ , it's my favorite wifi connection again...
[21:30] <TJ-> Sebastien: which means [-R]ecursively set the [g]roup permissions to [w]rite-able, starting at the directory /var/www/html/
[21:30] <regedit> had to wait until reboot into graphical mode completed...
[21:31] <regedit> TJ-: i think the fsck never gets to finish because a bootup timeout of 1min 30sec runs out
[21:31] <TJ-> regedit: did you see my comment about encrypted swap issues with UUIDs?
[21:31] <Sebastien> TJ-: http://i.imgur.com/cgNBjgv.png
[21:31] <Sebastien> does not work
[21:31] <TJ-> regedit: can you do a manual fsck then?
[21:31] <regedit> TJ-: to my knowledge i never opted for encryption on any partitions
[21:31] <k1l_> regedit: can you detail the partition layout and if encrypted etc=
[21:31] <k1l_> ?
[21:31] <regedit> TJ-: trying to reboot into recovery mode to fsck resulted in some (scary?...) error about authority something....
[21:32] <johnqpublic> TJ-, nicomachus, when I run the command "", I am prompted for the key and then when I input it, I get the message "Cannot use device /dev/sdb5 which is in use (already mapped or mounted)."
[21:32] <regedit> k1l_: sure, what command should i run for ya?
[21:32] <TJ-> Sebastien: after adding a user to a new group, that user must log-in again for the new membership to take effect
[21:32] <Sebastien> TJ-, i know. i did this
[21:32] <k1l_> regedit: "sudo parted -l" and put that into a pastebin
[21:32] <TJ-> johnqpublic: 'already mapped' so look at "ls -latr /dev/mapper/" and identify it :)
[21:32] <johnqpublic> Which I assume means that the crypto has already been unlocked.  So then when I look in /dev/mapper, I see what I believe to be the disk.  When I try to mount THAT I get the error "mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'"
[21:32] <Sebastien> brb 10 mins, i need to go buy smokes, this issue is pissing me off so much been trying to fox this for like 3 damm days now.
[21:33] <Sebastien> ill brb TJ-
[21:33] <TJ-> johnqpublic: also "sudo blkid /dev/mapper/*" might help you id it
[21:33] <johnqpublic> TJ-: thanks
[21:33] <TJ-> Dump the GUI and use real CLI tools :D
[21:33] <KaiForce> wait there's a GUI?
[21:34] <regedit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14393502/ sda is another drive, sdb is the one in question
[21:34] <k1l_> Sebastien: it says owner "root"
[21:34] <TJ-> johnqpublic: "LVM2_member" means it contains an LVM volume. so do "sudo vgchange -ay /dev/mapper/<DEVICE_NAME>"
[21:35] <k1l_> Sebastien: so are you sure that is a proper regular setup? or is this a mess already because" you dont care"?
[21:35] <k1l_> regedit: now a "cat /etc/fstab" please
[21:36] <TJ-> regedit: is this the same system we hammered into working state about 12 months ago? :)
[21:37] <regedit> TJ-: the one and the only :D now i will know both how to setup a windows+linux dual boot, AND how to take it apart (to bits, apparently) ahahahaha
[21:37] <TJ-> regedit: yeah... you'll be pleased to hear that 16.04 should have support for natively finding and installing UEFI capsule update packages
[21:38] <regedit> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14393535/ it used to be as follows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14138686/ then i deleted the windows related partitions and expanded the linux one
[21:38] <regedit> TJ-: nice
[21:39] <regedit> TJ-: is 16.04 an LTS ?
[21:39] <KaiForce> if my math is right, that should be LTS
[21:39] <regedit> cool
[21:40] <k1l_> the math is right. every second year its a LTS.
[21:40] <johnqpublic> TJ-: results: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14393576/
[21:41] <KaiForce> I did a 10.04 => 12.04 => 14.04 test upgrade last week.  I did prod last night, and had to back it out because of a few postfix settings that changed (I think in 12.04) and I didn't catch in testing.
[21:41] <KaiForce> may try again tonight
[21:42] <TJ-> regedit: there's been a lot of work on that primarily by RedHat and Intel
[21:42] <regedit> so i got an error in recovery mode trying to fsck, but cant remember the specific, is there a recovery mode log somewhere?
[21:42] <k1l_> regedit: can you show an actual lsblk ?
[21:42] <regedit> TJ-: i see cool
[21:42] <TJ-> johnqpublic: can you show me "ls /dev/mapper/"
[21:43] <regedit> k1l_: current lsblk http://paste.ubuntu.com/14393603/
[21:43] <regedit> again sdb is the system drive in question
[21:43] <k1l_> regedit: sorry meant "blkid"
[21:43] <k1l_> too much multitasking going on :/
[21:43] <johnqpublic> TJ-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14393615/
[21:44] <regedit> k1l_: current sudo blkid http://paste.ubuntu.com/14393619/
[21:44] <TJ-> johnqpublic: hahaha! is that literally the filename "luks-<HEX VALUES>" ?
[21:45] <johnqpublic> TJ-: lol no
[21:45] <TJ-> johnqpublic: oh!... can you show the exact value? it's important so I can formulate the correct command
[21:45] <johnqpublic> TJ-: I just don't know whether that information is sensitive, so I tend to err on the side of sanitizing.
[21:45] <TJ-> johnqpublic: those hex values will be the hexadecimal representation of the UUID of the device
[21:46] <johnqpublic> TJ-: You win ;) "luks-cb246e4c-7213-4624-9c4d-3a4cf461f417" is the name
[21:46] <thegreenhundred> from the initramfs prompt, if /dev/sd[a-b]3 are my linux raid /root partitions, how do I assemble to boot?
[21:46] <TJ-> johnqpublic: and I *suspect* what is happening is the name of that device is clashing with something else and thus not being given a chosen name
[21:47] <TJ-> johnqpublic: so if you do "sudo blkid /dev/mapper/luks-cb246e4c-7213-4624-9c4d-3a4cf461f417" it should tell you, amongst other things, the name of the LVM Volume Group contain in there
[21:47] <johnqpublic> TJ-: yeah the system I'm on now is encrypted too
[21:47] <k1l_> regedit: ok, the swap uuid is wrong. but iam not sure which one uuid to use of those 2 form blkid. seems like a gpt thing with 2 uuids
[21:47] <johnqpublic> That's my impressions
[21:47] <TJ-> johnqpublic: is it by chance "ubuntu-vg" - which is the same as the currently booted system ?
[21:48] <johnqpublic> TJ-: that's my guess
[21:48] <k1l_> regedit: try the first on on the line with /dev/sdb3
[21:48] <johnqpublic> TJ-: I've been doing some troubleshooting on my own in parallel to you, and that's the hunch that I'm getting
[21:48] <TJ-> johnqpublic: what does the blkid command report? that'll tell us
[21:49] <johnqpublic> TJ-: "/dev/mapper/luks-cb246e4c-7213-4624-9c4d-3a4cf461f417: UUID="FbiEfN-c0NA-ixKI-Ge30-YkQa-b8d0-04Dl4R" TYPE="LVM2_member""
[21:49] <TJ-> k1l_: use the UUID. the PARTUUID is the GPT GUID
[21:49] <woden> Eveing guys, anyone got a Xonar DGx soundcard? Right now, my options for headphones are muted, or eardrum vaporisingly loud.
[21:50] <KaiForce> woden: go with loud
[21:50] <TJ-> johnqpublic: and what does "sudo pvs /dev/mapper/luks-cb246e4c-7213-4624-9c4d-3a4cf461f417" report?
[21:50] <woden> I'd like somewhere inbetween ;)
[21:50] <KaiForce> what kind of card is that?  is it built into a system?
[21:51] <regedit> k1l_: ok so how do i set it to the right UUID?
[21:51] <woden> its a PCIe card
[21:51] <TJ-> woden: have you tried using "alsamixer" to adjust the controls?
[21:51] <woden> well, PCIEx
[21:51] <regedit> do i change the swap partition UUID? or other config files' UUID of the swap?
[21:52] <johnqpublic> TJ-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14393700/
[21:52] <TJ-> regedit: the swap is automounted without needing an entry in /etc/fstab (as it isn't using encrypted swap as far as I noticed)
[21:52] <KaiForce> woden:  did you see the QasMixer solution?
[21:53] <TJ-> johnqpublic: so that confirms it then' the VG has the same name as an existing VG, and therefore cannot be auto activated
[21:53] <KaiForce> don't know if it applies in your case
[21:53] <regedit> TJ-: is it really? how so? fstab has an old UUID apparently
[21:53] <DaleK5whr> join #kivy
[21:54] <johnqpublic> TJ-: so is it possible to manually activate it?
[21:54] <woden> TJ-: no, ill loof it up, thanks
[21:54] <KaiForce> my name is KaiForce
[21:55] <Sebastien> k1l_ - TJ- ubuntu us the main root user of the account.
[21:55] <Sebastien> k1l_ - TJ- ubuntu is the main root user of the account.
[21:56] <KaiForce> nm did not see TJ- response
[21:56] <TJ-> johnqpublic: you'll have to rename the VG inside it first. Get its UUID with "sudo vgs -o uuid /dev/mapper/luks-cb246e4c-7213-4624-9c4d-3a4cf461f417" first
[21:57] <TJ-> regedit: when udev sees the device and notices the FSTYPE is swap it should automatically call swapon
[21:57] <regedit> interesting... ok
[21:57] <TJ-> regedit: at least, that happens with systemd-init. Can't quite remember now if Upstart does that too
[21:58] <regedit> TJ-: i do see swap in Kubuntu System Monitor, cool
[21:58] <johnqpublic> TJ-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14393771/
[21:58] <regedit> TJ-: so can i delete the swap entry from fstab? why did it need one all this time?
[21:59] <Sebastien> oh wow
[21:59] <Sebastien> sudo chmod 777 /var/www/html
[21:59] <Sebastien> vixed it
[21:59] <Sebastien> fixed it *
[21:59] <TJ-> johnqpublic: legacy upgrades would carry it forward from 14.04 I think. I'm a bit hazy on when it changed because the default encrypted swap situation confuses the issue somewhat
[21:59] <regedit> sudo chmod 777 is usually a bad hacky solution
[22:00] <TJ-> johnqpublic: grrr; the command doesn't like using the device node path
[22:01] <TJ-> johnqpublic: my fault, i gave you the wrong command! use "pvs" not "vgs" !!!
[22:02] <johnqpublic> TJ-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14393825/
[22:02] <TJ-> Sebastien: so every user has read/write/execute permissions in the public web-server directories? Any exectuable code exploit there can write to it, and therefore add executable web-server code
[22:03] <Sebastien> TJ-, yeah, but i can chmod back to 775 when im done editing right?
[22:04] <Sebastien> how would i manage to give permission to a specific uset to access/edit this then ?
[22:04] <Sebastien> im trying to make a channel stats page, where my eggdrop (user: eggy)  upload files when triggered in a channel.
[22:05] <regedit> is there a recovery mode log somewhere where i can see errors i got during a recovery mode session?
[22:06] <regedit> when trying to fsck in recovery mode i get Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: Could not connect: No such file or directory (g-io-error-quark, 1)
[22:06] <rypervenche> Sebastien: You would give said user write access. So you could do that by either making the files owned by the eggy user or the eggy group, then make sure that the user or group has write permissions. All done with chmod and chown.^^
[22:06] <Sebastien> rypervenche, what is those command's syntaxes?
[22:07] <Ben64> regedit: the logs are in the same spot as normal. /var/log
[22:07] <daftykins> regedit: sounds like "dmesg | tail" would've been handy to watch
[22:08] <TJ-> johnqpublic: right, the easy way to do this is not try to rename the inactive VG but to rename the active one, thus freeing up the name (the sneaky solution!). "sudo vgrename ubuntu-vg VG01" should be suitable
[22:08] <bluefox83> just upgraded to 15.10 via the upgrade tool, now when i can't get into a login screen. everything goes black and when i hit ctrl alt f2 i can drop down to a terminal...how do i figure out what's keeping gdm from starting?
[22:08] <rypervenche> Sebastien: chown -R username:groupname /var/www/html
[22:08] <regedit> daftykins: how to do that in recovery mode?
[22:08] <rypervenche> Sebastien: For the chmod bit, I would use find first, something like...
[22:09] <daftykins> regedit: depends what you're claiming you're seeing, why not just boot a desktop session to diagnose from?
[22:09] <regedit> daftykins: because then i can't fsck the system disk? or can i?
[22:09] <woden> I am a moron, the card is fine ... it was the game set too high
[22:10] <rypervenche> Sebastien: find /var/www/html -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; and then find /var/www/html -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; or 664 and 775 respectively, depending on how you want to do it.
[22:10] <Sebastien> sudo chown -R eggy:www-data /var/www/html   <-- this makes sense?
[22:10] <daftykins> regedit: what? you can fsck from the live session...
[22:10] <regedit> daftykins: oh... ok, what's the command to completely fix & clean everything?
[22:10] <Bashing-om> bluefox83: Broke the proprietary graphic's driver in the ypgrade process ?
[22:10] <johnqpublic> TJ-: will that have any negative side effects on my currently active system?
[22:11] <TJ-> johnqpublic: after than "sudo vgscan" then "sudo vgchange -ay" should result in you finding the 'new' /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-* LVs that you can then mount ("sudo lsblk /dev/mapper/ubunut--vg-*" should help you ID the file-systems in those MVs)
[22:11] <daftykins> regedit: you threw us in at the deep end here with no information of the scenario, why not boot a live session on the target system and then come back?
[22:11] <regedit> daftykins: i *am* in a live session on the target system :)
[22:11] <bluefox83> Bashing-om: i have no idea...i think it's that i'm running gnome-session and gnome-ghell
[22:12] <TJ-> johnqpublic: it will if you do a reboot before we rename the running VG back to its original name. But we're going to shuffle the names around
[22:12] <bluefox83> i upgraded and kinda forgot that part lol
[22:12] <daftykins> regedit: why all the talk of recovery then?
[22:12] <johnqpublic> TJ-: it occurs to me that I could just do this on a non-encrypted system and not have to deal with the problem, right?
[22:12] <regedit> daftykins: i was being helped by some others, some backsorty should be available in the recent scrollback
[22:12] <bluefox83> there used to be a way to get ubuntu to ask you which DM to use...i forget how to do that
[22:12] <daftykins> regedit: no, volunteers don't do work for helpees - it's the other way around.
[22:12] <TJ-> johnqpublic: this is due to LVM, not the encryption.
[22:13] <johnqpublic> TJ-: so a system without LVM then?
[22:13] <regedit> daftykins: fair enough - i was just responding to the bit about throwing anyone in at a deep end :)
[22:13] <TJ-> johnqpublic: are you expecting to boot a PC from that external encrypted disk we're currently unwrapping?
[22:13] <johnqpublic> TJ-: no, just have some files on it that I want to recover
[22:13] <Bashing-om> bluefox83: If it is a conflict within the DEs. I can not help much . For the graphics . is a driver loaded ? what returns ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[22:13] <TJ-> johnqpublic: in which case we'll end up with the VG on it renamed to a non-clashing name, then it'll always just automatically work when the encryption is unlocked
[22:14] <johnqpublic> TJ-: yeah no, this is a one-time thing basically
[22:14] <k1l_> regedit: sorry was afk. edit the fstab and put the right uuid in there.
[22:14] <TJ-> johnqpublic: think of it as a typical 3-way rename. file A > file C; file B > file A; file C > file B
[22:14] <Bashing-om> bluefox83: One chooses the DE at the login screen, in the login box click on the ubuntu icon .
[22:15] <regedit> k1l_: ok
[22:15] <k1l_> Sebastien: that is just ridiculous stupid to chmod 777 a directory a webserver runs
[22:15] <bluefox83> Bashing-om: i don't get that far...it's just a black screen
[22:15] <johnqpublic> TJ-: Not sure I want to risk that on this system
[22:15] <regedit> k1l_: is there anywhere else that needs the new UUID? or just fstab
[22:15] <bluefox83> i don't get to see grub either...
[22:15] <k1l_> regedit: only fstab
[22:15] <regedit> k1l_: ok thanks
[22:16] <Sebastien> k
[22:16] <Bashing-om> !nomodesst | bluefox83 Maybe try this :
[22:16] <regedit> k1l_: any ideas about the failing fsck?
[22:16] <bluefox83> Bashing-om: i think i just need to tell the system  to use gdm instead of lightdm
[22:16] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | bluefox83 Maybe try this :
[22:16] <Sebastien> k1l_, im asking for help here, im not too sure what to do.
[22:16] <Sebastien> i can't think of other ways to reformulate my questions
[22:16] <TJ-> johnqpublic: renaming the VG is a trivial operation; renaming the current "ubuntu-vg" temporarily allows you access to the currently inaccessible VG of the same name
[22:16] <k1l_> regedit: boot a live system and run a fsck manually to see what is going on
[22:16] <Sebastien> like, its been 3 days im asking here and i get different answers all the time
[22:17] <bluefox83> gee that's swell..except that i can't even view that link because i'm just in a bash shell :(
[22:17] <regedit> k1l_: ok, what is the exact fsck command please to completely clean & fix everything?
[22:17] <johnqpublic> TJ-: but to confirm, if I just tried to mount this on a system that didn't have LVM, it would work as designed?
[22:17] <nicomachus> bluefox83: you could use lynx... or another machine's browser
[22:17] <daftykins> Sebastien: no add your user to the group www-data then chown the doc root as www-data:www-data
[22:17] <TJ-> bluefox83: 'black-screen' sounds more like a nomodeset issue
[22:18] <k1l_> Sebastien: when you said you added your user to www-data group. it looks like in your screenshot that the owner is root actually. so that correct help doesnt work because the server is a mess already.
[22:18] <bluefox83> nicomachus: yeah...if i had another machine handy!
[22:18] <TJ-> johnqpublic: Once the crypt device has been unlocked, yes, in theory it should (assuming there is no corruption on that disk)
[22:18] <nicomachus> bluefox83: then use Lynx.
[22:19] <johnqpublic> TJ-: ok, cool.  Thinking about it more, I'm planning on copying these docs to a 3rd system anyway, so if I did that I wouldn't have to worry about copying them over the network
[22:19] <bluefox83> TJ-: no, it's what happens before the login screen usually shows up...everything goes black until i get a login screen. well atleast that's what happened before the upgrade...
[22:19] <k1l_> Sebastien: so first of all i would start to think about a proper setup and dont do the "i dont care i just sudo all i can" approach, since we cant know what you changed there already and think its a regular setup
[22:19] <Sebastien> k1l_ http://i.imgur.com/NpoPZvT.png
[22:19] <TJ-> bluefox83: to attempt to start the gui manually "sudo systemctl start graphical.target"
[22:19] <Bashing-om> bluefox83: ?? " when i hit ctrl alt f2 i can drop down to a terminal.." Which menas grub is working and the system foundation is consistent .
[22:19] <Sebastien> k1l_ http://i.imgur.com/U8Kycm0.png
[22:19] <Sebastien> its stuck there still
[22:19] <bluefox83> Bashing-om: correct, i think it booted with the silent boot option
[22:20] <bluefox83> i'm pretty sure all i need to do is tell the system to use gdm, but i forget what little script to do to set that...
[22:21] <bluefox83> it's like dpkg-reconfigure or something
[22:21] <bluefox83> but i'm pretty sure it's not that
[22:21] <Sebastien> Retrying in 3 seconds...
[22:21] <Sebastien> Can't connect to imjustabot.tk (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[22:21] <Sebastien> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.3
[22:21] <Sebastien> its where im stuck
[22:21] <Sebastien> k1l_ ^
[22:21] <TJ-> bluefox83: try to start the service manually as I suggested and see what erorrs, if any, are
[22:21] <woden> random question, is KVM a linux equivalent to HyperV?
[22:21] <compdoc> pretty much
[22:21] <daftykins> woden: in its' most loose terms, yeah
[22:22] <bluefox83> TJ-: when i use 'sudo service gdm start'nothing happens...
[22:22] <k1l_> regedit: "sudo fsck /dev/sdXY" where XY is to set to the partition. check that in the live system with sudo parted -l
[22:22] <woden> loose terms is all I need for android studio :D
[22:22] <TJ-> woden: Kernel Virtual Machine, is the hardware/OS integrated support for virtualisation, which is used in QEMU
[22:22] <nicomachus> bluefox83: that's not the command he suggested. "sudo systemctl  start graphical.target
[22:22] <regedit> k1l_: thanks! doing so...
[22:22] <TJ-> bluefox83: it wouldn't. 15.10 will generally be using systemd-init not Upstart
[22:23] <regedit> oh actually, while i'm here
[22:23] <Bashing-om> BKuhl: You are systemd now with the inot system .. that last is a 'upstart' command .
[22:23] <compdoc> kvm is great for hosting servers that run 24/7. thats what I use it for
[22:24] <regedit> can anyone tell me how to get rid of superfluous grub menu options? boot-repair only seems to have added a few duplicates of a windows EFI boot manager, how to remove 'em all?
[22:24] <regedit> the machine does not have windows anymore
[22:24] <regedit> and i even efibootmgr -B the windows option
[22:24] <regedit> are there still EFI booting files for windows tho?
[22:24] <TJ-> regedit: generally "update-grub" ... but if os-prober finds signs of other OSes, or there are UEFI boot-loaders in the /boot/efi/ file-system, they may get added
[22:24] <bluefox83> nicomachus: that did not do anything either
[22:25] <regedit> TJ-: so should i just delete the windows folders in /boot/efi ?
[22:25] <TJ-> regedit: that'd do it :)
[22:25] <k1l_> Sebastien: can you ssh to that server with that account from a proper ssh client?
[22:25] <Sebastien> not without the damm .pem key file or whaetever its called
[22:26] <Sebastien> (free vps from amazon)
[22:26] <Sebastien> but you know what, forget about it
[22:26] <Sebastien> im deleting it all
[22:26] <Sebastien> ill go back to digitalocean
[22:26] <Sebastien> its so much easier
[22:26] <Sebastien> thnx for your time
[22:26] <k1l_> Sebastien: so its more a "mirc cant connect" and not "my ubuntu server doesnt work"
[22:26] <Sebastien> its not mirc the issue
[22:26] <Sebastien> lol
[22:26] <Sebastien> its not even mirc the program
[22:27] <regedit> TJ-: to be sure it's /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft i can simply rm -rf ?
[22:27] <Sebastien> its mircstats a completely different program
[22:27] <k1l_> s/mirc/mircstats/
[22:27] <Sebastien> technically, its a ftp client that generated html pages.
[22:27] <Sebastien> nothing else
[22:27] <Sebastien> using port 22
[22:27] <k1l_> Sebastien: its the issue here.
[22:28] <TJ-> regedit: yes
[22:28] <Sebastien> k1l_, the thing is, i never had this issue before
[22:28] <Sebastien> yall gave me like 10 commands to try, and chmods, and chown and add to groups
[22:28] <Sebastien> none of it worked.
[22:28] <Sebastien> i give up
[22:28] <Sebastien> thnx
[22:29] <Razzdoll> Hey all, hows everyone. I have a bit of a problem. When I start my system up, all I have is ubuntu on it, but anyway, when I start it up. It halts for a few seconds to a minute with this image: (http://postimg.org/image/m2ttqbdqd/ ) - i dont know what it means or if its even the reason for halting. and then when is done. it goes to the terminal screen vs the gui for a small bit.
[22:29] <Razzdoll> Please help if anyone can :)
[22:29] <regedit> TJ-: k thanks!
[22:29] <k1l_> Sebastien: like i said: we can only solve issues we know the setup. and set server already seems messed up. so everytime there was a new info the commands changed.
[22:30] <daftykins> Razzdoll: is this computer an antique by any chance?
[22:30] <daftykins> old and slow?
[22:30] <Sebastien> k1l_, its  default amazon ubuntu server with LAMP installed. running one eggdrop bot, and one znc (irc bouncer)
[22:30] <Sebastien> nothing weird here.
[22:31] <Razzdoll> daftykins, no. everything other then this works fine
[22:31] <k1l_> Sebastien: i looks like that the file and folder permissions are already spoiled. like i explained several times now.
[22:31] <TJ-> Razzdoll: so it eventually arrives at the GUI greeter and you can log-in fine?
[22:31] <Sebastien> what do you mean by spoiled?
[22:31] <k1l_> Sebastien: start with a proper setup. not blindly putting commands in until it somehow runs
[22:31] <Sebastien> its easy for me to rm -rf them and re upload them
[22:31] <Sebastien> -.-
[22:32] <daftykins> Razzdoll: try checking out "bootchart"  for info on what delays your boot time.
[22:32] <Razzdoll> TJ-, yes.but halts for some reason.
[22:32] <Razzdoll> daftykins, ok I will thanks
[22:32] <daftykins> Sebastien: that's a foolish command and approach.
[22:32] <TJ-> Razzdoll: time to read the system logs.  Check the logs for problems with "sudo journalctl" and scroll through it looking for anything highlighted by journalctl (those are the messages worth focusing on)
[22:35] <daftykins> Sebastien: no i'm saying your words and attitude are those of a youngster, don't use that language in here.
[22:35] <k1l_> daftykins: lets move on
[22:35] <daftykins> i wasn't going to backspace that :) but sure
[22:37] <marus> can any one tell me why i can't found my wlan psk under /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ssid ?? with GUI i can see the PSK
[22:37] <TJ-> marus: the connection isn't a system-wide connection, just for that user
[22:38] <marus> TJ-: wich mean?
[22:38] <Forgath> I fucked up and installed the wrong libc6 from a deb file, how would I undo this?
[22:39] <daftykins> Forgath: that's inappropriate language for this channel
[22:39] <TJ-> marus: which means it is stored in the user's home, not in the system /etc/ directry
[22:39] <Forgath> daftykins, Sorry, wont happen again
[22:39] <TJ-> Forgath: reinstall the system
[22:39] <k1l_> Forgath: show a "apt-cache policy package" in a pastebin please. where package is the package name
[22:40] <leSaucy> Forgath: Boot into rescue mode, mount your drive, then dpkg -x the right libc deb, once it reboots re-install the same deb to keep dpkg happy
[22:41] <TJ-> Forgath: under what circumstances would you install the primary C standard library, that the entire system depends on, manually ?
[22:41] <k1l_> honestly i would try to apt-get install package-version first if that works.
[22:44] <marus> TJ-: do you know wich file in home directory it's?
[22:45] <TJ-> marus: I'm not sure; I'd have to create a new user-only connection to find it
[22:45] <Forgath> I will read up on your leads and get back.
[22:45] <Razzdoll> TJ-, The way I am understanding it is the highlights are in red, in this case; sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found, Failed to query NVIDIA devices.  I know I have lightmd in here somewhere.
[22:46] <marus> TJ-: i want to create a tool like WirelessKeyView for ubuntu
[22:48] <TJ-> marus: I was wrong. A per-user connection is still stored in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ but has "permissions=user:...." added in the "[connection]" section
[22:48] <TJ-> Razzdoll: the mention of 'nvidia' suggests the correct GPU driver isn't installed
[22:49] <TJ-> Razzdoll: try "ubuntu-drivers devices" to check
[22:52] <Razzdoll> TJ-, I dont know what I'm looking for. I do know my graphics card is a GTx 650
[22:52] <marus> TJ-: i have analyzed this files befor, but the WPA-PSK is not stored there
[22:52] <Razzdoll> Geforce *
[22:52] <TJ-> Razzdoll: do "pastebinit <( ubuntu-drivers devices )"
[22:54] <TJ-> marus: "man 5 nm-settings" and search for "psk" - it should be in the "[wifi-security]" section.
[22:54] <Razzdoll> TJ-, it goes to a >prompt
[22:55] <TJ-> Razzdoll: you typed unmatched quote marks. try typing another " and then press Enter
[22:55] <Razzdoll> TJ-, ah yes I did.sorry. thank you.
[22:55] <Razzdoll> TJ-, by the way. I didnt know about pastebinit. thanks lol
[22:56] <TJ-> Razzdoll: it's our saviour :D
[22:56] <TJ-> Razzdoll: don't forget to tell us the URL it gives you!
[22:56] <daftykins> until something better comes along ;)
[22:56] <Razzdoll> I spoke too soon TJ-, Unable to read from: <( ubuntu-drivers devices )
[22:57] <TJ-> Razzdoll: try redoing the command; everything inside the " marks, but don't type the quotes themselves. Usually we expect you'll copy/paste the commands to a terminal
[22:58] <Razzdoll> lol ;)
[22:58] <Razzdoll> oops
[22:58] <Razzdoll> misread that
[22:59] <Razzdoll> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14394386/
[22:59] <Razzdoll> I definitely was typing the quote marks
[22:59] <Razzdoll> haha
[23:00] <bluefox83> ok...so i had an error when i logged in about a failure from a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something and i can't seem to find the error
[23:00] <marus> TJ-: doesn't tell wehre is the PSK
[23:01] <bluefox83> i'm wondering if it has something to do with why i can't get gdm or lightdm or anything really to show up././.
[23:01] <TJ-> marus: I see it in the connection file in .../system-connections/<connection-name>
[23:02] <bluefox83> also...i booted with nomodeset and now the f7 screen is sitting there with a ubuntu loading screen, but it's not doing it's normal loading stuff...
[23:03] <TJ-> Razzdoll: so you see for the Nvidia device a list of all matching driver packages. Generally, the best will be the nvidia package with the highest version number, but you can ask that tool to install the 'best' with "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[23:03] <bluefox83> also my laptop happens to now be sharing terminal screens to my tv (via hdmi) full screen...which is way better than before
[23:03] <marus> TJ-: you have psk-flags set to 0, i have it set to 1, is that true?
[23:03] <bluefox83> it was in an itty bitty screen before
[23:03] <TJ-> bluefox83: sounds like it's using the open-source GPU driver
[23:03] <Razzdoll> TJ-, I see. Thank you.  I still have along way to go lol
[23:04] <bluefox83> TJ-: spiffy...but how do i get it to pick a login manager to load?
[23:04] <bluefox83> or to load anything?
[23:05] <TJ-> bluefox83: is the system using systemd-init "systemctl status" ?
[23:05] <bluefox83> TJ-: i don't know...i forget  how to find out
[23:06] <TJ-> bluefox83: "systemctl status"
[23:06] <marus> TJ-: can you confirm that? why my networkmanager set the flage in my case to 1 and in your case to 0?
[23:06] <TJ-> marus: there is no psk-flags so I'd assume the value would default to 0
[23:06] <bluefox83> TJ-: system failed to connect, operation not permitted
[23:07] <daftykins> 'sudo' first
[23:07] <bluefox83> oooh
[23:07] <marus> TJ-: thank you ;-)
[23:07] <TJ-> bluefox83: you may need sudo - I have my default user in several prvileged groups so I don't always need sudo
[23:07] <bluefox83> uhoh, i tried sudo, still says it's not permitted
[23:07] <TJ-> marus: in which case I'd suspect the actual PSK will be in the user's wallet, or somewhere else secure
[23:08] <marus> TJ-: why is that not documented, i've search for that witout success
[23:08] <bluefox83> when i booted from the grub menu this time i used the upstart selection...
[23:09] <TJ-> bluefox83: sounds like it's not using system-init then. how about "sudo initctl list"
[23:09] <TJ-> bluefox83: aha! so it will be Upstart!
[23:09] <TJ-> bluefox83: in which case "sudo service lightdm start" should start the GUI
[23:10] <TJ-> marus: it is! "man 5 nm-settings" against "psk-flags" says see the "Secret flags types" section
[23:11] <bluefox83> TJ-: job is already running, and ubuntu screen is still on f7
[23:11] <marus> TJ-: you're right, PSK will be in the user's wallet :-)
[23:12] <TJ-> bluefox83: that's interesting, so how about restarting it? "sudo service restart lightdm" ... and if you don't see any change on-screen, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and possibly the logs under /var/log/lightdm/
[23:12] <bluefox83> TJ-: i removed lightdm in favor of gdd. which i restarted...and now my f7 screen wont load at all
[23:12] <bluefox83> er, gdm
[23:16] <bluefox83> TJ-: i think i need to reinstall the radeon drivers...
[23:16] <cfoch> is there a way to put my theme dark?
[23:17] <TJ-> bluefox83: well, in that case, you're more on your own since ubuntu dropped gdm in favour of lightdm. It got demoted to the Universe component
[23:17] <cfoch> I am using GNOME Tweak Tool enabling ¨dark¨ theme but it doesn´t work
[23:17] <TJ-> bluefox83: that could be it; the /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be useful for that kind of issue
[23:18] <RDX4OO> cfoch, http://gnome-look.org/
[23:18] <k1l_> !themes | cfoch choose a dark one that works with your gnome version
[23:19] <leo_> qu'est ce qui se passe ici
[23:19] <leo_> ?
[23:20] <RDX4OO> leo english pls
[23:20] <Fuchs> leo_: support pour ubuntu, si t'as besoin d'aide en français, veuille tapper /join #ubuntu-fr
[23:20] <leo_> ok
[23:20] <cfoch> I use Unity BTW
[23:21] <cfoch> RDX400, kil_
[23:21] <docron> Hey there...
[23:21] <bluefox83> TJ-: looks like ubuntu removed my video drivers when it did the upgrade, i wonder what that was all about
[23:21] <docron> Anyone really use Zenity anymore?
[23:21] <daftykins> docron: that's more a poll than a support question
[23:21] <k1l_> cfoch: use "unity tweak tool"
[23:21] <docron> Thanks!
[23:22] <RDX4OO> cfoch, http://www.noobslab.com/p/themes-icons.html this side will help u step by step
[23:22] <Guest61540> ok so how do i get chrome to run netflix
[23:22] <daftykins> install it, visit, log in
[23:22] <docron> Just recovered from a disastrous Prime vidmem situation.
[23:22] <TJ-> bluefox83: with AMD the fglxr situation seems particularly prone to weird problems
[23:23] <docron> Chrome runs netflix on 1410, just not with Silverlight.
[23:23] <Guest61540> thats what it keeps saying it needs
[23:23] <daftykins> 14.10 is EOL
[23:24] <docron> I know, I know...
[23:24] <Guest61540> silverlight i mean
[23:24] <docron> It's my dedicated netflix machine.
[23:24] <daftykins> you must be doing something wrong, plenty of guides out there i'm sure
[23:24] <k1l_> Guest61540: what ubuntu version exactly? what chrome version?
[23:24] <daftykins> make sure it really is chrome - chromium won't work
[23:25] <Guest61540> ubuntu 15.10
[23:25] <Guest61540> wily
[23:25] <docron> Yes, chromium-browser will NOT work!
[23:26] <Guest61540> ok so chrome not chromium
[23:26] <daftykins> docron: as lovely as your parrot impression is, i'm not sure the floor show is appropriate for this channel ;)
[23:26] <k1l_> yep. details matter
[23:27] <Guest61540> so kewl is not cool ???
[23:27] <daftykins> Guest61540: what's that in english?
[23:27] <Guest61540> thinkonkss thats my troble th
[23:27] <docron> That's kind of a dick thing to say--twas a time I didn't know the diff bet chrome and chromium-browser...
[23:28] <docron> It's all about learning...
[23:28] <Guest61540> wel i have learned something at any rate
[23:28] <daftykins> docron: i'm saying there's no point you repeating everything i say, don't use that language here
[23:29] <docron> I didn't repeat anything you said--that would be a waste of bandwidth.
[23:29] <docron> There are all levels of users on here.
[23:30] <daftykins> < docron> Yes, chromium-browser will NOT work!
[23:30]  * daftykins raises an eyebrow
[23:30] <docron> Well, fuck this channel...
[23:31] <daftykins> i suppose it is still technically the weekend.
[23:39] <cfoch> can I open an application in other theme?
[23:44] <Joia-BR> hi
[23:44] <Joia-BR> :)
[23:49] <bluefox83> so, now i actually ge to see a loading screen before it goes black...so that's different i guess
[23:51] <cfoch> GTK_THEME=... won't work
[23:53] <[Mew2]> is it a bad idea to close all ports including ssh port
[23:53] <[Mew2]> and leave only one open for vpn
[23:53] <[Mew2]> and ssh through the vpn only
[23:54] <Forgath> I solved the problem, that was a lot of anguish though. Turns out it was easy once I figured it out, thanks all.


[05:23] <hjdaugherty90> Is there much communication in the this channel? Fairly new to Linux and from Ohio so just trying start talking to people in the community.
[05:25] <JackFrost> Honestly, not a whole lot these days.  Every year around the time of OLF there's a bit.
[12:43]  * dzho is sorry to have missed hjdaugherty90


[20:15] <rsalveti> /usr/include/ubuntu/application/instance.h:28:44: fatal error: mir_toolkit/mir_client_library.h: No such file or directory
[20:15] <rsalveti>  #include <mir_toolkit/mir_client_library.h>
[20:15] <rsalveti> building gst-plugins-bad1.0 against proposed
[20:16] <rsalveti> would be nice to do a reverse build-dep check before changing stuff
[20:16] <rsalveti> it build fine with release, which is mir 0.12
[20:19] <rsalveti> hm, mir is not a direct dependency in gst, maybe something else changed in platform-api that caused this
[20:20] <rsalveti> In file included from /usr/include/ubuntu/application/ui/window.h:31:0,
[20:28] <rsalveti> actually this is also broken in vivid, sigh, it's just that it only builds that code on i386 and armhf
[20:28] <rsalveti> the header file is there, maybe the include path is broken
[20:51] <rsalveti> hm, can't even rebuild platform-api
[20:51] <rsalveti> all sorts of issues
[21:02] <rsalveti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/platform-api/+bug/1458680
[21:02] <rsalveti>      switch (mir_event->type)
[21:02] <rsalveti> «BUILDDIR»/platform-api-2.9.0+15.04.20150326/src/ubuntu/application/common/mircommon/event_helpers_mir.cpp:28:22: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'const MirEvent {aka const union MirEvent}'
[21:02] <rsalveti>      switch (mir_event->type)
[22:11] <rsalveti> [1432591771.428143] <WARNING> Loader: Failed to load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mir/server-platform/input-stub.so (error was:/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mir/server-platform/input-stub.so: undefined symbol: _ZN3mir6events10make_eventExx17MirKeyboardActionjij)
[22:11] <rsalveti> when trying to start unity8 on the emulator (vivid)
[22:33] <rsalveti> bug 1458689
[22:43] <robert_ancell_> RAOF, around?


[22:12] <brainwash> please set the importance of bug 1384381 to "wishlist"
[22:13] <teward> brainwash: done
[22:13] <brainwash> teward: thank you :)
[22:14] <teward> you're welcome


[03:33] <Gredeu> i'm having trouble with ubuntuforums.org it won't retrieve a valid user account password and allow me to reset it.
[03:34] <Gredeu> i don't know where else to ask for support
[03:34] <IdleOne> try #ubuntuforums
[03:34] <Gredeu> thanks
[03:34] <IdleOne> yup
[10:32] <IdleOne> ubottu: being asked to work hard this morning
[10:32] <IdleOne> I know
[10:35] <bazhang> troll detected
[11:26] <jpds> Take precautious.
[11:26] <jpds> -ions*
[11:31] <Myrtti> what for?
[11:31] <Myrtti> or was that a late reaction to bazhang ?
[11:31] <bazhang> yeppers
[12:16]  * Pici thwaps whomever let that message through to the ML
[15:13] <impiza> ikonia
[15:13] <Pici> impiza: ikonia isn't here right now, is there something that one of us can help you with?
[15:13] <impiza> k
[15:15] <impiza> once i have banned by ikonia ! i think its more than one month ago ! those times she is online @ linux mint irc now she is not online there ! i try to access ubuntu channel it says i was banned
[15:17] <impiza> what i have to do
[15:17] <impiza> ?
[15:17] <Pici> impiza: I'm not on my own computer right now so I can't look at logs, but let poke another operator to take a look.
[15:22] <impiza> Pici,  how to do that
[15:22] <Pici> impiza: just be patient.
[15:22] <impiza> i think no ops here
[15:22] <IdleOne> impiza: it looks like the reason you got banned is because you were asking for mint support in #ubuntu and when told the proper channel to ask in you continued to ask in #ubuntu, then you ban evaded.
[15:22] <impiza> right now
[15:23] <impiza> yes ! they called it flood
[15:23] <IdleOne> impiza: I am willing to remove the ban provided you agree to only ask support concerning Ubuntu.
[15:24] <impiza> i want to know about ! compiz works with ubuntu 11.04 or not
[15:24] <IdleOne> impiza: the flooding was due to pasting and you used the pastebin after that
[15:24] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[15:24] <IdleOne> ubottu: ping
[15:25] <IdleOne> impiza: please read the channel guidelines ubottu just posted
[15:25] <impiza> k
[15:25] <IdleOne> let me know when you are finished and if you have any questions
[15:26] <impiza> now i am on a gprs connection it will take a while to load that page
[15:26] <impiza> loaded
[15:26] <impiza> i will come back after some time
[15:26] <impiza> k
[15:26] <impiza> bye
[15:27] <impiza> IdleOne,  thanks for your support
[15:27] <IdleOne> impiza: very welcome
[15:30] <IdleOne> impiza: Please part this channel and return when you have read the link.
[15:32] <impiza> IdleOne,  If you want to set away do it silently with "/away Reason"  how to do this
[15:33] <IdleOne> impiza: this is not a support channel but just type /away I am away
[15:34] <impiza> now i am using xchat aqua on Mac os x
[15:34] <impiza> and its away msg is i'm busy
[15:34] <impiza> k
[15:34] <impiza> IdleOne,  i ahave reade that link
[15:35] <IdleOne> you understand and agree to follow the guidelines?
[15:36] <impiza> what next ?
[15:36] <IdleOne> do you understand and agree to follow the guidelines?
[15:36] <impiza> yes i agree
[15:37] <impiza> at that time i was new to irc !
[15:37] <impiza> now i know how to use it
[15:37] <IdleOne> please try to join #ubuntu
[15:37] <impiza> k
[15:38] <impiza> thank you very much
[15:38] <IdleOne> welcome, have a good day.
[15:38] <impiza> does ubuntu irc provide vhost?
[15:38] <IdleOne> no
[15:38] <IdleOne> you can ask in #freenode
[15:39] <IdleOne> impiza: we are done here, please part this channel now.
[15:40] <impiza> IdleOne,  does ubuntu irc provide vhost?
[15:41] <IdleOne> no they do not.
[15:41] <IdleOne> !cloak > impiza
[15:41] <Pici> impiza: You're currently on irc.freenode.net you can ask in #freenode for a vhost.
[15:41] <impiza> k pici
[15:48] <tsimpson> impiza: please leave this channel if you have nothing else to discuss here
[16:04] <oCean> oh
[16:04] <oCean> cannot join the team channel, because of new cloak?
[16:08] <Pici> I don't have enough rights to invite you.
[16:08] <tsimpson> oCean: actually, it was because you changed your account name
[16:08] <tsimpson> try again
[16:09] <oCean> ooh
[17:49] <Pici> hacker9 is asking me about some 'dillinger 1.0 blackhat tool' :/
[17:55] <Pici> 'u might know about ddos attack .do u like to join me ddos a web server'
[18:02] <oCean> links__ not supposed to be in #u?   <lynx____> could someone please unban me
[18:02] <oCean> *lynx
[20:53] <tomaw> Bacta should and is unquestionably sure that he's unwelcome in #ubuntu-*, right?
[20:54] <tomaw> should be*
[20:54] <IdleOne> tomaw: afaik yes
[20:54] <tomaw> it's useless with a "afaik" prefix
[20:54] <IdleOne> yes
[20:55] <tomaw> who has communicated that to him and with what authority?
[20:55] <IdleOne> the ircc
[20:56] <tomaw> you're 100% on that?
[20:56] <IdleOne> yes
[20:57] <IdleOne> only the ircc can issue a namespace ban
[20:58] <tomaw> It's such a shame he's a numpty too much of the time as he can be entertaining when he's not trolling.
[20:59] <IdleOne> I haven't personally had any dealings with him, all I know is that he has been an irritation for some ops for a long time now.
[21:01] <tomaw> He says he had to go to work and that it's getting late for me so I should go to bed
[21:01] <IdleOne> heh
[21:01] <IdleOne> sweet dreams :P
[21:01] <Gary> aww, bless, thats nice of him
[21:02] <tomaw> http://tomaw.net/~tom/bacta.log for reference
[21:03] <tomaw> The last line wasn't delivered as he quit. I was going to ask him to ID to NickServ so he couldn't as easily deny the conversation later.
[21:04] <Tm_T> IdleOne: irritation?
[21:04] <tsimpson> tomaw: bacta is fully aware they they are not welcome in ubuntu channels
[21:05] <IdleOne> Tm_T: I was trying to be polite
[21:05] <Tm_T> IdleOne: fair enough, that provided me some amusement nonetheless (:
[21:05] <IdleOne> tomaw: tsimpson just confirmed it again
[21:22] <elky> yeah he would have quit because his bus would have got to his work. if you spot him in the coming 8 or so hours, let me know
[22:08] <IdleOne> thanks for providing info to add to my ban.
[22:14]  * elky points to panda in #u