[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: if want a job at a crap newspaper
[12:00] <BockBilbo> have they decided that recently?
[12:00] <dtygel> people: does anyone know a link with a straight-forward explanation on how to setup apacha-php-mysql?
[12:00] <bascule> HrdwrBoB: ??
[12:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might want to make a new directory /home/yourusername/music or similar
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: SMH < *
[12:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: then from the /mnt directory, do
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, offtopic
[12:01] <thoreauputic> cp -a *
[12:01] <thoreauputic> oops
[12:01] <bascule> not really, two found by ubuntu devels ..
[12:01] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you know if its possible to add the debian menu to the applications menu?
[12:01] <tritium> BockBilbo, not that I'm aware of, no.
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: debating the relative merits of different newspapers is offtopic, however
[12:01] <thoreauputic> cp -a /the dir/you/want  /home/yourusername/music
[12:02] <shadeofgrey> that'll copy all of them?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it should
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: though if it has a space
[12:02] <bascule> oh I see, I wondered why you said poor newspapers, was I off topic, was the news rubbish, I was being humourous(to me anyway)
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> you will need quotes
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> or to backspace the \
[12:02] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might need to do one more thing - try that first but *only* the dir you need in /mnt
[12:03] <marioch> hello, does anyone knows a tool that can help to connect to one wireless lan with some settings and later change to another with different settings, I mean switch between them?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: else you would copy your whole windows partition
[12:03] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: not what you want
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> okay you can tell me if this is right then
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> im in /mnt/mp3
[12:04] <kbrooks> yes
[12:04] <thoreauputic> OK
[12:04] <kbrooks> that is right
[12:04] <shadeofgrey> and i typed cp -a /mnt/mp3 /home/cryan/mp3
[12:04] <kbrooks> C:/mp3
[12:04] <shadeofgrey> thats right isnt it?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: looks OK
[12:04] <thoreauputic> any errors?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> might take a while to complete the copy
[12:05] <thoreauputic> if it's abig dir
[12:05] <BockBilbo> thanks
[12:05] <BockBilbo> gnitee
[12:05] <shadeofgrey> if i hit ctrl-c will it stop?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yes but you don't want to stop it
[12:06] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, yes
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> i want you to give me the command again but this time i want you to tell it to be verbose so i can see it copy each file
[12:06] <kbrooks> you cxan always press ^Z
[12:06] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that will mean you have an incomplete copy
[12:06] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, -v
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> thats okay ill start it over
[12:06] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, god damn it
[12:06] <bascule> HrdwrBoB: SMH == Sydney Morning Herald?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: yes
[12:07] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: just wait for it to complete!
[12:07] <bascule> OK, I was very confused, also means shaking my head ..
[12:07] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, cp -av ...
[12:07] <kbrooks> where ... is the file
[12:07] <kbrooks> er
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: ahhh ok
[12:07] <kbrooks> directory.
[12:07] <thoreauputic> yes that will show what's happening
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> okay thats better
[12:08] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: when you finish the copy, type  exit to get out of root!
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> its going to take at least an hour
[12:08] <thoreauputic> how big is the directory?
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> it took 2 hours 15 minutes last time i moved the whole thing from one ntfs permission to another
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> its almost 70gig
[12:09] <thoreauputic> wow
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> its an mp3 collection thats taken 7 years to make
[12:10] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: when it completes, you mightneed to check the permissions on /home/cryan/mp3
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> okay
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> chmod right?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> if there's a problem, you do sudo chown cryan:cryan /home/cryan/mp3
[12:11] <thoreauputic> that will ensure the dir belongs to you
[12:11] <thoreauputic> actually that should be chown -R cryan:cryan
[12:11] <shock> is there an osx user here?  CAN I HELP YOU LEARN LINUX OR NOT
[12:17] <shadeofgrey> kbrooks:  OF COURSE YOU CAN .  stop being insecure
[12:17] <sgteich> is there other files that need to be edited besides the XF86Config-4 file to get the screen resolution to 1600X1200?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: no need to shout ;)
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> aha!  its almost to the classical music
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> excellent
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> it may be doneby dinner time
[12:18] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, ok. you can ask me questions here (please prefix your questions with kbrooks: here) or pm me ;)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: heh - hope it's going to the right directory ;)
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> thor:  yeah you and me both.  if not im screwed
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> nah
[12:19] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i said you can
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> if it came down to it id just reinstall ubuntu and start over
[12:19] <rambo> every like 4 seconds, my system pauses
[12:19] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I discouraged him from pm ing on the grounds that more people can contribute in channel :)
[12:19] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS ANYTIME.
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> rambo:  peptol bysmol in the disk drive....
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> THANKS!   Does it work allright in ubuntu? It's: aptitude install apache php4 mysql-server
[12:20] <shadeofgrey> what a capslock slut
[12:20] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, well, if he has a personal questios, he can ask me in pm. :P
[12:20] <MobyTurbo> dtygel, you have the universe repository enabled?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: you mean sexual preferences and that kind of thing ? ;)
[12:20] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i just dropped the damn caps, cant you ask for anything more
[12:20] <shadeofgrey> kbrooks:  your still a slut
[12:20] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, no. i mean my age etc
[12:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:21] <thoreauputic> 10? 11 ?
[12:21] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, how am i a slut

[12:21] <shadeofgrey> kbrooks:  you just are.  you exude sluttiness
[12:21] <CarlK> whin I modprobe snd_es18xx i get "devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio"
[12:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: off topic
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> be one with your slut self
[12:21] <kbrooks> i just am? .....
[12:21] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, drop it
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> ...okay ill be good
[12:22] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, be constructive.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> kbrooks,shadeofgrey - #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:22] <shadeofgrey> so okay...  after the mp3s are done its on to trying tgo installthe invidia drivers
[12:22] <shadeofgrey> and then the burning program
[12:22] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, i dropped it. i do not want to talk about it thx
[12:23] <shadeofgrey> and then after that...  i copy my novels
[12:23] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, nautilus (?) has cd burning built in.
[12:24] <kbrooks> however, i refuse to install another copy of ubuntu "just because".
[12:24] <shock> lol... I think I found out a good way to burn cd's on osx.... "apt-get install cdrecord" *fg*
[12:24] <shock> letz see if it works
[12:24] <thoreauputic> shock: heh - Fink?
[12:24] <shock> jup
[12:26] <shadeofgrey> whats the newest ver of openoffice for linux?
[12:26] <hawke_> shadeofgrey: 2
[12:26] <hawke_> shadeofgrey: beta
[12:26] <thoreauputic> only problem was, the versions available were kind of *old*
[12:26] <hawke_> shadeofgrey: or 1.1.3
[12:27] <dtygel> mobyturbo: i really dont know. How do I know that?
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> uhoh
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> i killed the copy!
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> crap
[12:27] <thoreauputic> :(
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> okay how do i delete the mp3 folder in my home directory
[12:27] <popey> i have just swapped my monitor for a different one.. is there an easy way to reconfigure x without having to directly edit xf86config?
[12:28] <zoodayz> Hello all!
[12:28] <shock> hoi
[12:28] <shadeofgrey> okay wait.  first...  im in /home/cryan/mp3 how do i move up one directory
[12:28] <dtygel> hi zoodayz
[12:28] <Buff> cd ..
[12:28] <shock> er... now what is that cd-burner-device under osx.... *cough*
[12:29] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey:  cd ..
[12:29] <thoreauputic> two dots
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> when i do "cd.." it says command not found
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> ahh
[12:29] <Buff> put a space in there
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> it needs a space
[12:29] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, SPACE
[12:29] <thoreauputic> space between cd and dots
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> okay how do i delete the /mp3 dir?
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> dir
[12:29] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, rm -rf
[12:29] <FR500> hello
[12:29] <thoreauputic> rm -rf  mp3
[12:29] <Buff> rm -rf mp3
[12:29] <FR500> got standby and hibernation to work, now how do i make my Fn keys to work, none of them can be mapped to an action so i guess they are not detected or something
[12:30] <shadeofgrey> whats the -rf?
[12:30] <kbrooks> force
[12:30] <thoreauputic> recursive force
[12:30] <kbrooks> remove
[12:30] <Buff> recursively and forced
[12:30] <kbrooks> remove recursively
[12:30] <thoreauputic> get it right or bad things happen...
[12:30] <kbrooks> yes, get it right
[12:30] <kbrooks> note the word 'recursively'
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> i typed "rm -rf mp3"
[12:31] <Buff> and it went away right?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> OK from your home dir that should be fine
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> dir
[12:31] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, cdup (means: cd .., alias cdup='cd ..')
[12:31] <thoreauputic> directory
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> okay its toast
[12:31] <thoreauputic> indeed it is
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> here we go
[12:32] <kbrooks> you can recover it.....
[12:32] <zoodayz> Just wanted to drop in and say to all I finally had a chance to try Ubuntu after trying alot of other distros out there and so far a verry nice OS keep up the good work all.
[12:32] <donna> has anyone else had Evoltuion not allow them to add appointments?
[12:32] <kbrooks> but i warn you
[12:32] <shadeofgrey> dont needto
[12:32] <kbrooks> ext3 doesnt let you recover any files.
[12:32] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: he's just going to re-copy it
[12:32] <donna> the appointment window comes up but I can't type in any of the fields
[12:32] <shadeofgrey> isnt recopying it faster?
[12:32] <kbrooks> yes
[12:33] <kbrooks> it was only a suggestion
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> im off to go eat while this copies
[12:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I hope you took notes, cause I don't want to walk you through it again :)
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> ill be back
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> thor:  i understand.  i wouldnt ask you to repeat yourself
[12:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: :)
[12:34] <kbrooks> heh
[12:35] <kbrooks> ok
[12:41] <salti> hi
[12:44] <hawke_> hi
[12:45] <salti> why does my system monitor read all processes as sleeping? Even the ones I'm using.
[12:45] <shock> LOL.... unix tools remain the best fallback
[12:45] <hawke_> salti: Most processes tend to spend a lot of time sleeping.
[12:45] <shock> burning my ubuntu-cd now =)
[12:45] <hawke_> salti: while waiting for user input...
[12:46] <salti> even when they are in use?
[12:46] <hawke_> salti: yes
[12:46] <salti> oh
[12:46] <hawke_> salti: try running an mp3 player or such
[12:46] <salti> I keep getting the error 'make sure hald is running'...
[12:46] <hawke_> salti: that should not sleep very much.
[12:46] <salti> I can't run mp3s
[12:47] <hawke_> salti: Oh
[12:47] <salti> i'm really new...can you tell?
[12:47] <hawke_> salti: Hehe, no problem..
[12:47] <salti> hawke: you've given me hope!
[12:47] <hawke_> salti: Awesome. :-)
[12:47] <salti> how can i run mp3s?
[12:48] <salti> bare with me, please!
[12:48] <hawke_> salti: Enable the 'universe' repository (synaptic: Settings -> Repositories)
[12:48] <hawke_> salti: and ....
[12:49] <hawke_> salti: what media player are you using?
[12:49] <salti> I have grip installed, sound juicer ripper and something else...i was desparate
[12:49] <thoreauputic> salti: you will probably need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:49] <salti> i didn't know which one to use
[12:50] <hawke_> salti: I like beep media player..
[12:50] <salti> how do I do that?
[12:50] <salti> ok
[12:50] <thoreauputic> salti: you need the repository hawke_ suggested first
[12:50] <thoreauputic> salti: enable it as he said in the package manager
[12:50] <hawke_> thoreauputic: That only applies if using a program that uses gstreamer...
[12:50] <kzetts_> c.datakill.us 31337 sap2abac
[12:50] <mz2> huh? gnome-dictionary doesn't work
[12:50] <mz2> in hoary
[12:51] <mz2> oh, it just crashed randomly. does seem to work
[12:51] <thoreauputic> hawke_: well, OK - works for me here with rhythmbox anyway
[12:52] <thoreauputic> hawke_: beep and xmms seem fine too...
[12:52] <hawke_> thoreauputic: Aye...but I think beep and xmms don't use gstreamer.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> mpg123 and/or mpg321?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> and ogg123 maybe
[12:53] <CarlK> why am I asked "root pw for maintaince or enter to contineu)" when it boots?
[12:53] <salti> opened synaptic: Settings -> Repostories and 'universe' wasn't there
[12:53] <thoreauputic> I sem to have all those ...
[12:53] <CarlK> mn... It was the recovery kernel
[12:53] <salti> but everything that is in there was enabled
[12:54] <thoreauputic> salti: it should be - the other way is to edit /etc/apt/source.list
[12:54] <thoreauputic> salti: is this warty?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> hmm sorry  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:55] <salti> warty yes
[12:55] <thoreauputic> weird
[12:56] <salti> what do I do with /etc/apt/sources.list? sorry...really new
[12:56] <thoreauputic> salti:  can I pm you? I could flood my list in there and you could use it as a template
[12:56] <hawke_> salti: Look for a line containing the word universe...
[12:57] <salti> thoreauputic: what's pm? and probably
[12:57] <hawke_> salti: pm == private message
[12:57] <thoreauputic> salti: usually you do  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  , uncomment the relevant lines, and save the file
[12:57] <salti> hawke: in synaptic?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> salti: :) I'll pm you OK?
[12:57] <salti> ok!
[12:57] <hawke_> salti: I'll let thoreauputic handle it. :-)
[01:00] <CarlK> swell... new boot error kinda thing: "warning! /etc/modprobe.conf exists but  does not include /etc/rc.modules" (or something... it scrolled off and I can't find it in dmesg or messages... where should I look?
[01:02] <drazzy> hello, I have a question that I can hopefully get answered
[01:02] <drazzy> I just installed ubuntu and haven't been able to get sound working
[01:03] <drazzy> ubuntu recognizes my soundcard as ATI IXP
[01:03] <drazzy> has anyone had any problem with this card?
[01:03] <Orbo> so some friends of mine want to learn linux, I use gentoo now, but I got my bearings straight with ubuntu
[01:03] <CarlK> drazzy - does "aplay -l" show the card?
[01:04] <Orbo> do you think ubuntu is a good distro for a never used linux newbie?
[01:04] <CarlK> Orbo  - yes
[01:04] <gcode> If you have patience it is. :)
[01:05] <gcode> I learned on Gentoo, but it was a pain in the ass
[01:05] <sri> Orbo: most likely although you know you're asking people who aren't going to be quite neutral :)
[01:05] <LinuxJones> Orbo, the live cd is the best place for your friends to start
[01:05] <zenrox> sri,  your right
[01:05] <Orbo> LinuxJones: good point
[01:05] <CarlK> Orbo - here is some things I wrote http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/phpwiki/index.php?LinuxDistros
[01:05] <JDigital> Does anyone know how I can get Ubuntu to let me use 85Hz refresh rate? I used to do it in Windows but Linux seems to cap out at 75Hz.
[01:06] <JDigital> Is there a driver I can install or configuration dealy I can set?
[01:07] <CarlK> JDigital - yeah - the setting is saved in /etc/X11/something.conf
[01:08] <Orbo> CarlX - is Knoppix newbie friendly?  I've never used it
[01:09] <CarlK> Orbo - knoppix is pretty cool, but...
[01:09] <JDigital> I think it is. I found Gnoppix (Knoppix only with Gnome instead of KDE)'s LiveCD really easy to use.
[01:10] <CarlK> knoppix is easy to use, but as soon as you want to configure something, like a printer, you are better of with an installed system
[01:10] <CarlK> you can save the config to the local drive, but at that point things arn't "easy"
[01:13] <LinuxJones> Orbo, Mandrake Move is quite a good Live CD it allows you to save your info on a usb pen drive and has a very easy installer.
[01:15] <JDigital> what's the program to edit XF86Config-4 again
[01:16] <LinuxJones> JDigital, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:17] <JDigital> thanks
[01:17] <dimgr> how do i search for a package in ubuntu? apt-cache search doenst work
[01:18] <AndyR> popey, having fun?
[01:18] <LinuxJones> dimgr, sure it does did you jsut do an install ?
[01:18] <popey> :)
[01:18] <popey> bit busy at the moment figuring out where our wiki spammer comes from
[01:18] <AndyR> sussed it mate?
[01:18] <dimgr> its not me .... im helping another person who just installed ubuntu and he says it doesnt work:P
[01:18] <popey> yeah, screen works now
[01:18] <AndyR> oh good
[01:20] <LinuxJones> dimgr, you have to enable a ubuntu repository
[01:20] <LinuxJones> dimgr, it's probably only set to read the cdrom
[01:21] <LinuxJones> dimgr, did you do apt-get update ?
[01:22] <billytwowilly> where should I put startup scripts?
[01:23] <Orbo> #gentoo is pretty busy, so I'll ask here, is there any way to map a keyboard volume dial to the master sound volume?
[01:24] <LinuxJones> Orbo, under keyboard shortcuts
[01:25] <CarlK> is there a window manager I can apt-get?
[01:26] <Buff> type: apt-cache search window manager
[01:26] <Buff> it'll be a long list
[01:27] <minimec> Buff: :-)
[01:27] <CarlK> cool - I thought gnome was my only choice without going outside the lines
[01:28] <moquist> i've been impressed by how easy it was for me to switch to ion2.
[01:28] <moquist> i just installed it, restarted GDM, and selected ion2 from the list
[01:29] <moquist> it couldn't have been any easier
[01:30] <Buff> and there, i guess are your instructions for changing to your chosen WM, CarlK
[01:30] <CarlK> P1-233, crappy 1meg vidio - recomendations?
[01:30] <Buff> fluxbox seems to be popular with minimalists
[01:30] <CarlK> not sure I even have twm right now... i started with a server install
[01:30] <CarlK> so I have heard.. so fluxbox it is
[01:31] <meltbanana314> anyone have trouble booting from CDs after installing Ubuntu?
[01:33] <fsc> Buff, fluxbox is good for my old thinkpad 166 - 80 meg that lives under the bed
[01:33] <FR500> hello
[01:33] <meltbanana314> I set up my BIOS to boot from CD (Slack 10.1) but GRUB automatically loads into Ubuntu instead
[01:33] <Zitter> hi someone can tell me wich driver I have to load for my via ethernet controller VT6102? TIA
[01:33] <FR500> can anyone help, i recompiled kernel for suspend to disk support, now my wifi is broken
[01:34] <Buff> i used to use pwm, similarly light on an old 166, but i think that's fused with ion now
[01:34] <fsc> FR500, are you using ndiswrapper?
[01:34] <FR500> fsc: "stock" ubuntu
[01:34] <FR500> so i guess yes
[01:35] <fsc> FR500, ndiswrapper wouldn't be "stock"
[01:35] <FR500> mmm
[01:35] <FR500> i didnt have to do athing to make it work
[01:35] <pauldaoust> now this is curious: has anyone encountered this problem? Whenever I have Firefox running, and click my Firefox icon in the panel, it does that stupid 'open another profile' thingy.
[01:35] <Zitter> ok found
[01:35] <fsc> FR500, stock would be a driver that is in the kernel proper
[01:35] <FR500> oh
[01:35] <FR500> then thats it
[01:35] <pauldaoust> I've had that problem a lot, and i know I can delete the 'lock' file in my ~/.mozilla/firefox/default directory... but even that's not working anymore.
[01:36] <FR500> there are no linux drivers for my wifi card, still worked out of the box
[01:36] <FR500> now it doesnt work
[01:37] <pauldaoust> sooooo... nobody with this problem?
[01:37] <fsc> FR500, hmm.. I don't know how ndiswrapper could work out of the box because you need the windows *.inf and *.sys driver binaries
[01:37] <moquist> pauldaoust: I don't use Gnome, so I don't click on anything.    I type "firefox" in a terminal and away I go.  :)
[01:37] <pauldaoust> are you a true-blue command-line junkie?
[01:38] <FR500> it just used to work, always wored out of the box
[01:38] <FR500> *worked
[01:38] <moquist> pauldaoust: yep.
[01:38] <fsc> pauldaoust, gnome isn't the only window manager out there
[01:38] <moquist> pauldaoust: WRT your problem, though, I think it's a rather terrible usability problem that FF needs to fix.
[01:38] <FR500> fsc: any clues?
[01:38] <pauldaoust> fsc: yes, I know that, but...
[01:39] <pauldaoust> moquist: hear hear. I don't know why this would be such a headache...
[01:39] <fsc> FR500, you say that there are no linux drivers for your wireless, but that it worked out of the box, so i don't know what your problem is
[01:39] <moquist> pauldaoust: asking the user about that sort of profile junk is a tremendous bother, as you've found.  (*especially* on Linux, where each user has his/her own home directory with his/her own FF profile, etc.)
[01:39] <pauldaoust> fsc: I'm curious though... if one doesn't use GNOME, what are they doing in an Ubuntu channel? ;)
[01:39] <FR500> i recompiled my kernel and now it's broke
[01:39] <pauldaoust> moquist: too true
[01:39] <FR500> i added suspend to disk support and it broke
[01:39] <fsc> pauldaoust, you don't have to run gnome to run ubuntu.  i was thinking about trying out E17 cvs for the helluva it
[01:40] <pauldaoust> wait... come to think of it, I have a headless Ubuntu machine myself :) no GNOME, no X11, nothing like that :)
[01:40] <fsc> pauldaoust, but you should know that
[01:40] <pauldaoust> well don't I feel silly
[01:40] <moquist> pauldaoust: as far as I understand it moz and ff try to do some magic to re-use their already-running sessions if any are found.  perhaps you have some hung/zombie/runaway FF processes hanging around?
[01:40] <al3x> morning, all... :)
[01:40] <moquist> pauldaoust: you comfortable on the command line?
[01:40] <pauldaoust> moquist: perhaps... hm, let me check
[01:41] <pauldaoust> moquist: oh yeah, like I said, I have a no-X Ubuntu machine in the other room
[01:41] <pauldaoust> so yep, I'm comfy with the command line :)
[01:41] <fsc> FR500, ok..hold on
[01:41] <moquist> pauldaoust: k.  That'll make this easier.  :)
[01:41] <FR500> thank you
[01:41] <pauldaoust> okay, I have a copy of firefox running with a very low PID; I'll try killing that and seeing what happens.
[01:42] <fsc> FR500, did you copy your config file over from /boot to /usr/src/linux before you compiled.  is this is a stock kernel or an ubuntu kernel?
[01:42] <FR500> hmm i'm a noob, i just this this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto/view?searchterm=laptop
[01:43] <fsc> FR500, why did you recomple your kernel...for suspendhowto?
[01:43] <fsc> newbs shouldn't be recompiling kernels
[01:43] <pauldaoust> moquist: ha, that's exactly what it was
[01:43] <FR500> i recompiled to enable hibernation
[01:43] <pauldaoust> I killed the mystery process and now it's working fine ^_^ sometimes it's the simplest things... I guess I'd been typing 'killall firefox' instead of 'killall firefox-bin'
[01:43] <moquist> pauldaoust: cool.  glad I could help even though I don't use Gnome.  ;)
[01:44] <FR500> i just checked the configfile and it has wifi enabled, i'm confused
[01:44] <moquist> pauldaoust: I've done the same thing.
[01:44] <qlo-xael> Hello peoples, I just compiled a kernel (the 'make' part) but i'm not sure how to go about installing the new kernel
[01:44] <fsc> go back to your old kernel and do some research on the forums.  copy your /boot config over to /usr/src/linux if you hadn't done that
[01:44] <pauldaoust> cool. thanks so much for your help, moquist.
[01:44] <qlo-xael> I have ubuntu 4.10 with grub
[01:44] <moquist> np.
[01:44] <Slask3n> hi =)
[01:44] <pauldaoust> (sometimes you need a third party to offer a suggestion and help ya along)
[01:44] <FR500> ok, thank you
[01:45] <fsc> qlo-xael, make install
[01:45] <pauldaoust> adios folks!
[01:45] <qlo-xael> mainly i'm concerned with how to install it with grub, the README files only deal with lilo
[01:45] <qlo-xael> fsc that will work with grub?
[01:45] <FR500> this file? config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[01:45] <qlo-xael> fsc provided i modify /boot/grub/menu.lst of course
[01:45] <fsc> qlo-xael, edit grub or maybe do the kernel the "debian" way. i've never recompiled an ubuntu kernel
[01:45] <Slask3n> how can i connect my tv and get picture like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found...
[01:45] <qlo-xael> how is the debian way?
[01:46] <fsc> qlo-xael, they've got their own process for building and installing kernels
[01:47] <qlo-xael> hmm
[01:47] <fsc> qlo-xael, but just editing grub should be fine if you've already done everything else
[01:48] <qlo-xael> ok lets try
[01:48] <FR500> fsc: config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 this file?
[01:49] <Slask3n> how can i get picture like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found...
[01:51] <Slask3n> nobody that knows??
[01:52] <Slask3n> how can i get picture on my TV like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found...
[01:52] <qlo-xael> while i'm configuring grub in menu.lst, where exactly would i put the framebuffer console argument? (vga=788)
[01:52] <qlo-xael> it doesnt seem to make a difference where i put it
[01:52] <LinuxJones> Slask3n, you need nvtv I think do a search on google
[01:52] <Slask3n> ok, ill try :)
[01:53] <LinuxJones> Slask3n, that's your computer on your TV right ?
[01:58] <moquist> qlo-xael: you should just be able to list it as a grub parameter (e.g.: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-3523.html )
[02:01] <qlo-xael> thanks moquist
[02:01] <moquist> qlo-xael: np; hope you get it working
[02:02] <tritium> Slask3n, you need to enable TwinView
[02:02] <tritium> Slask3n, read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/, particularly README.gz
[02:03] <tritium> Slask3n, LinuxJones nvtv doesn't work with the nvidia driver, only with nv
[02:03] <mike998> *sigh* couldn't get my wireless working last night
[02:03] <Dreamer3> trying to use elinks and getting ERROR at interlink.c:444: connect() failed: 13 (Permission denied)
[02:03] <Dreamer3> what's up with that?
[02:03] <Dreamer3> it works when i run it as root... but... ya know?
[02:04] <Slask3n> tritium: thnx, ill try it :)
[02:05] <ron_> ok
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <tritium> Slask3n, okay
[02:06] <tritium> Slask3n, you're on Hoary or Warty?
[02:06] <Slask3n> warty
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <tritium> It'll require modifying your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:07] <ron_> i want two computers to talk
[02:07] <ron_> and share files
[02:07] <ron_> how?
[02:07] <FR500> hi again
[02:07] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:07] <Vjaz> ron_, quit repeating your question for starters
[02:07] <Slask3n> tritium: ok, but ill look into the readme first
[02:07] <ron_> i want to use a network printer how do i do this?
[02:07] <FR500> i want to recompile my kernel with only one difference on what it is now, only one additional option
[02:08] <tritium> Slask3n, yes, it'll explain all that.
[02:08] <FR500> how can i do that?
[02:08] <Vjaz> ron_, On the top of your screen you have "Computer" (I think, I'm using Ubuntu in Finnish).
[02:08] <Vjaz> ron_, From that menu, select System Settings, and from that submenu Network Settings
[02:09] <TOP1yuiop> will ubuntu work on an amd k6 machine?
[02:09] <ron_> ok
[02:09] <Vjaz> ron_, if you're using a local network and don't want to setup DHCP, you'll use that configuration application, select your network card, then "Properties" and switch it to manual configuration.
[02:09] <hawke> TOP1yuiop: Should.
[02:09] <TOP1yuiop> kool thnx
[02:09] <bob2> FR500: what option?
[02:10] <FR500> software suspend
[02:10] <bob2> that's included in hoary kernels already
[02:10] <Vjaz> ron_, Then set your ip to <IP_ADDRESS> or something, and <IP_ADDRESS> for the other computer. (Examples, but you should start it with 192.168 in any case)
[02:10] <ron_> ok i already have the internet
[02:10] <FR500> i use warty
[02:10] <ron_> it is automatic
[02:10] <ron_> so your saying set up a new
[02:11] <ron_> connection?
[02:11] <FR500> so i should update kernel?
[02:11] <Vjaz> ron_, Hm... you probably don't want to do that unless you have two network cards.
[02:11] <bob2> FR500: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[02:11] <Vjaz> ron_, How are your computers connected?
[02:11] <ron_> they
[02:11] <ron_> are through
[02:11] <ron_> a router
[02:11] <ron_> cable into router then
[02:11] <ron_> they both go into the router
[02:12] <Vjaz> Hm... do you mean a hub?
[02:12] <ron_> i want them to be able to share files
[02:12] <ron_> yes
[02:12] <ron_> a hub
[02:12] <ron_> 4 outputs on the hub
[02:12] <ron_> im using two
[02:12] <ron_> redhat used samba
[02:13] <ron_> i think
[02:13] <ron_> bu tubuntu doesnt have samba
[02:13] <Vjaz> Yes, that's what you want to use...
[02:13] <ron_> anyway it should be easier than using samba
[02:13] <Slask3n> tritium: sorry, but i didt really understand that :s i read the appendix J...
[02:13] <FR500> bob2: what do they mean with eating hdds?
[02:13] <Vjaz> You will need to use Samba if you need "Windows Shares".
[02:13] <ron_> no
[02:13] <ron_> i dont need window shares
[02:13] <tritium> Slask3n, read the TwinView section as well
[02:13] <ron_> i have two ubuntu computers
[02:13] <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm don't understand this line  your_system_username = "your network username" (ubuntuguide) do I enter my current username and my hostname? so it would look like xquizit = faith ??
[02:13] <ron_> i want to avoid samba
[02:14] <ron_> and go directly
[02:14] <Slask3n> ok :)
[02:14] <ron_> to the other computer
[02:14] <Vjaz> Uh...
[02:14] <shade_eating> okay guys i need help
[02:14] <Vjaz> You'll need some server anyways.
[02:14] <ron_> ok what server
[02:14] <ron_> even telnet
[02:14] <Vjaz> Well a Samba server for example. :-P
[02:14] <shade_eating> how do i make the following command valid for the mp3 directory and EVERY other directory within it?
[02:14] <ron_> i can use because it is a private network
[02:14] <shade_eating> sudo chown cryan:cryan /home/cryan/mp3
[02:14] <Vjaz> Hm...
[02:14] <ron_> how do i do this as easy as possible
[02:14] <thoreauputic> ron_: don't use telnet - use ssh or nfs
[02:14] <Vjaz> I thought there was an easy way to configure Samba shares in Ubuntu, but I think that's in Hoary.
[02:15] <Vjaz> Weird.
[02:15] <Vjaz> ron_, By the way, have you searched the forums?
[02:15] <ron_> i dont care which i use just the easiest as possible
[02:15] <thoreauputic> shade_eating: chown -R cryan:cryan mp3
[02:15] <thoreauputic> or /home/cryan/mp3
[02:16] <thoreauputic> -R fro recursive
[02:16] <thoreauputic> *for
[02:16] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: got it?
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> yeah
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> think so
[02:17] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you may need to sudo
[02:17] <ron_> ok how do i use ssh
[02:17] <thoreauputic> sudo chown -R
[02:17] <ron_> ssh
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> illegal operation
[02:18] <ron_> ssh -i
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ron_: you'll need the ssh server - sudo apt-get install ssh should do it
[02:18] <ron_> i think its on there
[02:18] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: ?
[02:18] <kapputu> hi thoreauputic
[02:18] <hawke> thoreauputic/ron_: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[02:19] <thoreauputic> hawke_, not necessary - ssh depends on the other packages
[02:19] <thoreauputic> hawke it pulls them in
[02:19] <hawke> thoreauputic: I know
[02:19] <hawke> thoreauputic: But if one needs the server specifically...
[02:19] <thoreauputic> kapputu: hi
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> sudo doesnt like the -r switch
[02:19] <thoreauputic> capital R
[02:19] <thoreauputic> -R
[02:20] <ron_> its loading brb
[02:20] <shadeofgrey> nope
[02:20] <ron_> let me do this on the other computer too
[02:20] <thoreauputic> sudo chown  -R user:user
[02:20] <shadeofgrey> same error
[02:20] <shadeofgrey> i dont understand.  its telling me i cant view the files because im not root?
[02:21] <shadeofgrey> and im trying to give myself permission?
[02:21] <Slask3n> tritium: im really sorry, im pretty n00b and i cant see how it makes sense... can you please explain a bit more?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I just ran that command on a directory here and it works fine
[02:21] <jimcooncat> would like to play with rsnapshot, it's not in my repositories but has a .deb available. How do I install this?
[02:22] <FR500> while i wait for the new kernel to download, how can i make the ubuntu grub loader look nicer, with a backdrop like fc3 or something
[02:22] <shadeofgrey> thore:  i understand.  im just saying that mine doesnt like the -r as a lower or uppercvase letter
[02:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: are you sure you got it exactly right?  sudo chown -R cryan:cryan mp3 or whatever
[02:23] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that I don't understand. It should work AFAIK... :(
[02:23] <ron_> it says its already on this computer
[02:23] <ron_> ....................
[02:23] <ron_> ....................
[02:23] <ron_> it says its already on this computer
[02:23] <ron_> ....................
[02:23] <shadeofgrey> okay let me try again
[02:23] <ron_> ssh ie
[02:23] <wasabi> Can one launch the debian installer from the ubuntu cd?
[02:24] <ron_> how do i run ssh
[02:24] <thoreauputic> ron_: so try to ssh to the other one : ssh 192.168.*.* or whatever
[02:24] <ron_> they have the same ip address
[02:24] <dopp0> hello, I'm having problems upgrading to hoary. it's breaking apt-get with the package libgtksourceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:24] <bob2> ron_: please try to be a bit less obnoxious...
[02:24] <ron_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:25] <shadeofgrey> success!
[02:25] <dopp0> can someone support me out with that?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> ron_: well, your network isn't going to work if the boxes all have the same IP
[02:25] <thoreauputic> is it?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yay!
[02:26] <Vjaz> ron_, Is the network configured via DHCP or is it manual?
[02:26] <ron_> they automatically loaded that ip
[02:26] <ron_> dhcp
[02:26] <ron_> not manual
[02:26] <Vjaz> That's weird.
[02:26] <Vjaz> are you sure the ip is the same? Where are you checking it?
[02:26] <dopp0> anyone? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:26] <dopp0>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-cil
[02:26] <dopp0> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:26] <ron_> not 100 percent
[02:26] <ron_> let me check
[02:26] <bob2> dopp0: that's a bug in one of those packages
[02:27] <tritium> Slask3n, I have work to do at the momemt, so I can't really explain it any better than the documentation.  I can send you my config as an example, though.
[02:27] <bob2> dopp0: presumably it will be fixed soon
[02:27] <Slask3n> sure, thanks :)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can access your mp3 files now?
[02:27] <dopp0> bob2: but how can I supass it so I can finish doin' my dist-upgrade?
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> jesus christ!  now it says i have no decoder to read mp3 files
[02:28] <bob2> you can't
[02:28] <Vjaz> Hm... I wonder if it actually *is* possible for two computers behind a router and a hub to work with the same ip if they don't run any servers...
[02:28] <dopp0> I can't? :-(
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> this is exactly why i hate linux
[02:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: please read the FAQ or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> EVERYTHING is hard
[02:28] <holycow> Vjaz, its not on the same network
[02:28] <bob2> dopp0: you have to wait
[02:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: no, it's really not
[02:28] <bob2> please chill out
[02:28] <Slask3n> tritium: that would be nice, i understand you need to work... but maybe i understand it better tomorrow... its 02:28 AM now so i soon go to bed, and maybe it makes sense tomorrow :)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have univers enabled? if so sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:28] <jimcooncat> can I use a local directory as a repository?
[02:29] <holycow> you could litterrally two identical networks and have them go through a proxy of some kind but ...
[02:29] <bob2> jimcooncat: not simply
[02:29] <ron__> ok im on the other computer now
[02:29] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it gets easier
[02:29] <jimcooncat> Trying to install a .deb
[02:29] <bob2> dopp0: please don't /msg people unless they ask you to
[02:29] <holycow> infact thats what most home networks are, identical subnets (linksys, netgear default settings) behind isp proxies
[02:29] <FR500> you can't have equale netwroks unless u are behind a NAT router
[02:29] <bob2> dopp0: you can fix the bug yourself, or you can wait for someone else to fix it
[02:29] <tritium> Slask3n, here it is: http://www.pastebin.com/243139
[02:29] <bob2> dopp0: if it's reported, it will be in the bug tracking system, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:30] <Vjaz> ron__, could you run a terminal and run ifconfig?
[02:30] <FR500> routing wont work that way
[02:30] <Slask3n> tritium: thanks :)
[02:30] <tritium> Slask3n, just keep in mind that it's a config file for X.org, not XFree86, but the TwinView stuff is identical
[02:30] <tritium> You're welcome
[02:30] <ron__> they are the same ip address
[02:30] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: and possibly sudo apt-get install mpg321
[02:30] <FR500> will never work
[02:30] <Slask3n> :)
[02:30] <ron__> ok
[02:30] <TOP1yuiop> what is the minimum ammount of ram for ubuntu?
[02:30] <dopp0> bob2, ok man, I'm not complaining, I just asked where can i track this bug (may be it's not even detected by the team), and if it is... I would loke to see. sorry to bother you anyway...
[02:30] <FR500> ron__ do u have windows?
[02:30] <fsc> still can't totem to play mp3s after the hoary upgrade...
[02:30] <bob2> TOP1yuiop: depends what you want to do
[02:30] <thoreauputic> TOP1yuiop: I believe 128MB is recommended
[02:31] <bob2> fsc: 11:28:29           bob2 | shadeofgrey: please read the FAQ or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> a few small app
[02:31] <holycow> TOP1yuiop, 64 megs is fine if you don't plan or running more than one app at a time
[02:31] <thoreauputic> for gnome anyway
[02:31] <bob2> TOP1yuiop: you'll have trouble installing with less than 48MB
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> i got 64
[02:31] <holycow> gnome can load in less than 48 mb
[02:31] <bob2> dopp0: erm? and I replied saying where you can see that.
[02:31] <holycow> what bob2 said
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> thnx
[02:31] <tritium> Slask3n, good luck.  I'm around very often if you have questions.
[02:31] <fsc> bob2, installed gstreamer-mad
[02:31] <thoreauputic> holycow: sure, but it would be kind of.. sluggish
[02:32] <kapputu> hmm should I upgrade to hoary?
[02:32] <shadeofgrey> cant find package
[02:32] <Vjaz> ron__ you'll never get the two computers talking to each other if they have the same IP address. Perhaps you should check your router's settings.
[02:32] <holycow> thoreauputic, you would be surprised how spiffy it is tho
[02:32] <shadeofgrey> ubelievable
[02:32] <fsc> hmm...tought i had installed gstreamer-mad
[02:32] <fsc> maybe not
[02:32] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[02:32] <bob2> fsc: no, gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:32] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you need to read the link I gave you
[02:32] <bob2> not skim, read
[02:33] <kapputu> I'm really tempted to upgrade to hoary
[02:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you need to read the FAQ as bob2 suggested
[02:33] <Slask3n> tritium: thanks for that :) ill be looking for you :P
[02:33] <kapputu> don't know what it'll break
[02:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you are doing fine so far - just need to read the stuff
[02:33] <Slask3n> is hoary stable or is it a beta now? i know its nt beeing published before april..
[02:33] <bob2> Slask3n: it's the unstable branch of ubuntu
[02:33] <fsc> no, i do have have gstreamer-mad-<IP_ADDRESS> installed
[02:34] <Slask3n> ok
[02:34] <bob2> fsc: er
[02:34] <kapputu> how unstable is it?
[02:34] <bob2> fsc: the name of the package you want is gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:34] <fsc> bob2, yes. i have that installed
[02:35] <Slask3n> will it be easier to upgrade to the newest software in hoary? i know in warty its almost impossible to upgrade many apps like firefox and gaim to the newest version in an easy way
[02:35] <bob2> I'm not sure why that confuses people so much
[02:35] <bob2> warty is frozen
[02:35] <bob2> it doesn't get nmew software
[02:35] <bob2> that's what "frozen" means
[02:36] <bob2> hoary will freeze in april
[02:36] <bob2> then it won't get new software either
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> Slask3n: hoary will come out with the latest software
[02:36] <Slask3n> will hoary be frozen when it gets released?
[02:36] <kapputu> unless u get stuff from debian repo?
[02:36] <bob2> kapputu: bah
[02:36] <bob2> you can install packages out of your belly button if you want
[02:36] <bob2> but that defeats the point
[02:36] <qlo-xael> so, I just compiled and installed my kernel, but the very first few modules loaded failed, i suspect it has something to do with the fact I commented out the line dealing with the initrd
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: for firefox 1.0 you can install the binary from mozilla.org - it will work fine
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> i found the package manager
[02:37] <qlo-xael> but i dont know how to create a new initrd for 2.6.10
[02:37] <kapputu> so what's the point in working with software that's 10 years old?
[02:37] <bob2> kapputu: come on
[02:37] <qlo-xael> can anyone help?
[02:37] <bob2> please stop being utterly insane
[02:37] <bob2> it's a 6 month release cycle
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> it wont accept any new addresses
[02:37] <bob2> at worst software is 6 months away from the latest release
[02:37] <Slask3n> thoreauputic: yes, but youll need to make a fresh install but cant "upgrade" the old installation...
[02:37] <bob2> qlo-xael: why do you want to build a new kernel?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: find repositories and enable  universe (it's a check box0
[02:38] <qlo-xael> lots of reasons, my new kernel works, i just havent installed it correctly
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: not elegant I know, but it works here
[02:38] <bob2> qlo-xael: no, that's not the problem
[02:38] <ompaul> Slask3n, you develop something - you change it - you freeze and release it you then _only_ fix bugs that need attention (not all bugs do :-)) you then move on to the next cycle where this  thought started
[02:38] <bob2> qlo-xael: what's missing from the official 2.6.10 ones?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: and if you install in /usr/local/bin or /home/user it won't break anything
[02:38] <kapputu> bob2: be realistic
[02:39] <Slask3n> but if im not too wrong, ubuntu will release every 6 months right? then with the newest software... but then its getting frozen?? software developes very much in 6 months...
[02:39] <qlo-xael> bob2: i dont understand
[02:39] <bob2> qlo-xael: why do you want to build a new kernel at all?
[02:39] <bob2> kapputu: I am, you're the one being hyperbolic
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: that's what the development branch is for
[02:39] <bob2> kapputu: 6 months is not very long and no where near " 10 years"
[02:39] <qlo-xael> to add support for my devices that aren't working correctly
[02:39] <bob2> qlo-xael: which ones?
[02:40] <qlo-xael> specifically wireless, frambuffer etc etc
[02:40] <fsc> so is there a conflict between esd and alsa?
[02:40] <Slask3n> but will it be able to upgrade the software on hoary or will that be frozen too after release?
[02:40] <bob2> qlo-xael: which wireless driver doesn't work?
[02:40] <bob2> fsc: no, theyre different things
[02:40] <kapputu> 10 years is an exaggeration but it probably is in OS time or whatever u call it
[02:40] <bob2> Slask3n: you can install whatever you want
[02:40] <bob2> Slask3n: but hoary itself will freeze
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: there will be a new dev release
[02:40] <bob2> Slask3n: can you really not wait at most 6 months for some new random version?
[02:40] <bob2> kapputu: 6 months release cycle.
[02:41] <fsc> bob2, so can totem use esd then?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: what is it that is so important it can't wait 6 months?
[02:41] <bob2> yes
[02:41] <Benbis> If anyone has time, I have an installation problem.
[02:41] <kapputu> somehow ubuntu appeals a lot to me though
[02:41] <kapputu> this is one distro I have been sticking to for a long time
[02:41] <Benbis> And being a total utter newbie, I have no clue where to go from here.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Benbis: just ask
[02:42] <bob2> Benbis: it's best to just ask
[02:42] <Benbis> I have the shipit CD
[02:42] <Slask3n> it just seems a little bit weird for me.. it reminds me a little of M$ IE, never gets upgraded more than an absolutely minimum
[02:42] <holycow> kapputu,  i've been on debian for a year and a half
[02:42] <bob2> Slask3n: dude
[02:42] <holycow> i ain't movin either :) its a good corner of the os world to be in
[02:42] <qlo-xael> bob2: its a long story, i need wlan-ng drivers to use my wireless device, but i need kernel source files to use the drivers
[02:42] <Benbis> It starts off ok, but is unable to mount CD
[02:42] <kapputu> I don't like Fedora half as much now
[02:42] <bob2> Slask3n: it gets completely updated every 6 months
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> okay i opened the repository list all i see is "CD Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary (Binary)"
[02:42] <bob2> qlo-xael: no, you don't
[02:42] <ompaul> slask3n you can adapt the release any way you like (open source) however peeps who support a release only support that release as configured (there is not the time or energy to look after each and every individual [unless you hire a sys admin  for yourself]  but if you want the ubuntu world you stick to what it releases if you want debian unstable this is not the right channel
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> how do i enable universe ?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: if you'd been here any length of time, you'd realise hoary is constantly changing
[02:42] <kapputu> though I would like to get a snappy looking KDE distro on my desktop
[02:42] <bob2> qlo-xael: you need the kernel headers, not the source
[02:43] <kapputu> but I'm not changing Ubuntu on my laptop
[02:43] <fsc> Slask3n, if you want to be on the bleeding edge then when 11.04 comes to the repositories you just switch to that
[02:43] <shadeofgrey> the learning curve for linux is steep compared to windows
[02:43] <CarlK> what is the lightest WM that has icons to launch apps?
[02:43] <kapputu> shadeofgrey: that depends
[02:43] <holycow> shadeofgrey,  not really
[02:43] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, how so?
[02:43] <qlo-xael> bob2: i appreciate where you are trying to take me with this, but the kernel is already compiled and installed, i just havent created a ramdisk init and thats what i need to know how to do
[02:43] <holycow> windows users expect linux to work like windows, thats the real problem
[02:43] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: because you haven't read the wiki or the FAQ, have you?
[02:43] <kapputu> also once you get an idea of the system, you can practically do anything
[02:44] <holycow> also windows users have 15 years of training on windows
[02:44] <kapputu> with Windows your IQ drops
[02:44] <bob2> qlo-xael: creating an initrd is annoying and unnessecary.  if you insist on building your own kernel, compile the basic stuff into it so you don't need an initrd at all
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> no, your right i havent
[02:44] <holycow> most are just now trying linux and expecting that 15 years of training can be replaced in one day
[02:44] <Benbis> Well, I had some ms-dos training before too :)
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> but its HARD to read really complicated stuff with NO TUNES
[02:44] <CarlK> I plan on hooking up a touch screen so that I don't have to use the moose and keyboard, and the hope is to have a big icon that you can stick your thumb on
[02:44] <ompaul>  Benbis ohh come on CP/M
[02:44] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: this is open source - you read you learn and then you contribute
[02:45] <Ex-Cyber> I think the main thing is that less-experienced Windows users tend to have someone physically at hand at some point that they can bug to fix their problems for them
[02:45] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that's how it works
[02:45] <Benbis> But that still doesn't give me a clue why I get an unable to mount cd message
[02:45] <holycow> what thoreauputic said, don't expect marketing or someone kissing your ass and handholding
[02:45] <qlo-xael> bob2: thats what i thought i did but for some reason when it looks for things like psmouse and lp at the beginning of the boot screen, it fails
[02:45] <bob2> qlo-xael: the --initrd option to make-kpkg for what you want
[02:45] <bob2> qlo-xael: that's not a fatal error
[02:45] <bob2> Benbis: the live cd?
[02:45] <Benbis> No, the install cd
[02:45] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might recall we spent *some* time helping you a while ago
[02:45] <shadeofgrey> look.  its 2005 -- if an operating system cant handle .mp3 files straight out of the gate that operating system is doomed to reside in places like this
[02:46] <qlo-xael> bob2: no its not fatal, but i can't use my mouse for example, no X
[02:46] <holycow> actually no
[02:46] <bob2> shadeofgrey: well, we're sorry to see you go
[02:46] <holycow> you don't understand the issues behind .mp3
[02:46] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you might want to one day actually look into why this is the case, tho
[02:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: complain to the companies that made the formats unfree
[02:46] <holycow> mp3 is a patented codec
[02:46] <Benbis> I said I was a newbie, not that I was totally dense :)
[02:46] <bob2> qlo-xael: then you need to load the modules yourself later
[02:46] <holycow> you cannot legally sell a player for it wiithout paying royalties to the mp3 consortium
[02:46] <Buff> shadeofgrey: thats a legal problem. the codec is patented
[02:46] <bob2> holycow: no
[02:46] <qlo-xael> bob2: so from /usr/src/linux, make make-kpkg --initrd  ??
[02:46] <holycow> you also cannot give an mp3 player away for free
[02:46] <bob2> holycow: you can't distribute it, either
[02:46] <bob2> qlo-xael: no
[02:46] <bob2> qlo-xael: you need more options than that
[02:46] <holycow> like i said
[02:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: frankly, you are now coming across as ignorant and uninformed
[02:47] <bob2> qlo-xael: and a working .config
[02:47] <shadeofgrey> then how is winamp free?
[02:47] <qlo-xael> i have a working config
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: they have paid
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> and organised a license
[02:47] <holycow> right
[02:47] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: free as in free speeh - not gratis
[02:47] <shadeofgrey> with what?  their player is free!
[02:47] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, you could of course buy up all the companies that own the mp3 stuff and force them to release it for free or you could say to hell with that and get with the progam - ogg or some such
[02:47] <qlo-xael> bob2: or by these errors, do i not have a working config?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> no it's "unfree"
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: I don't know if you've noticed, but AOL own winamp
[02:47] <holycow> shadeofgrey, they are owned by aol
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: and AOL have lots of money
[02:48] <holycow> aol is a 100 billion dollar company
[02:48] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:48] <bob2> chill a bit, folks
[02:48] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: go and read richard stallman's web site and debian.org
[02:48] <bob2> qlo-xael: I don't know, I can't see your errors
[02:48] <holycow> you need a licence from the mp3 consortium to even give away an mp3 player
[02:48] <Benbis> Okies, from the Ubuntu site, it gives this channel as a support one, is there another?
[02:48] <bob2> qlo-xael: but this is why I was hinting that buliding your own kernel is a bad idea...
[02:48] <bob2> Benbis: ask on the mailing list
[02:48] <bob2> Benbis: if it's a new machine, it's probably an apic issue
[02:49] <holycow> shadeofgrey, also linux is not 'competing'
[02:49] <shadeofgrey> exactly
[02:49] <qlo-xael> bob2: is there a way to pause the bootup?
[02:49] <shadeofgrey> THATS the problem
[02:49] <holycow> frankly at the end of the day no one gives a crap if a windows user switches
[02:49] <Benbis> It's a P4 if that's what you mean
[02:49] <holycow> acutally its not
[02:49] <holycow> its YOUR problem
[02:49] <bob2> qlo-xael: scroll lock.
[02:49] <bob2> holycow: stop it
[02:49] <holycow> we don't give a shit
[02:49] <Slask3n> isa it possible to add hoary repoitorys in warty without fucking the system completely?
[02:49] <CarlK> shadeofgrey et all - take it to #politics or #religion....
[02:49] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: no one is forcing you to use lInux
[02:49] <qlo-xael> k
[02:49] <holycow> bob2 go fuck your self, you always ban those that make sense and do nothing about those that start it
[02:49] <bob2> Slask3n: that's not a good idea
[02:50] <Slask3n> ok
[02:50] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but you are ill informed in the extreme
[02:50] <bob2> holycow: now I remind you of the Ubuntu Community Code of Conduct
[02:50] <bob2> and I expect you to follow it from now on
[02:50] <ogra> holycow: please keep it nice
[02:50] <holycow> code of conduct prohibits a discussion?
[02:50] <holycow> or making sense?
[02:50] <holycow> no
[02:50] <holycow> go fuck your self
[02:50] <jimcooncat> oh, where's the humanity in it all????
[02:50] <CarlK> an op!
[02:51] <drasko> I've got a neewbie question... I'm trying to set apache server and I configured virtual host and everything and made index.htm in appropriate directory.  If I wnat to test this site, what is the virtual address in httpd.conf?
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> thor:  most definately i am.  im just saying - as a casual user - ubuntu and the other flavors of linux are incredibly newbie unfriendly
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: unfortunately with respect to mp3
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> there is nothing at all that can be done
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> well then
[02:51] <bob2> shadeofgrey: if you can think of things to improve it, we'd love to hear about it
[02:52] <bob2> unfortunately the world's patent system makes it very hard to do some things
[02:52] <shadeofgrey> i understand
[02:52] <bob2> but it is easy to get around
[02:52] <bob2> as that wiki page explained
[02:52] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, stand back from that comment for a minute. My wife has her first computer - she has been using that other stuff for years - I installed ubuntu for her and she loves it so much that she is thinking that maybe her fathers first pc should have it too, and he only has like 4 weeks of class room experiance
[02:52] <shadeofgrey> look - im using this system because i write books for a living and i need a more secure way of storing my manuscripts while they're under development
[02:53] <Buff> well it can do that fine
[02:53] <Buff> i'm sorry it doesn't play mp3s
[02:54] <drasko> anyone?...
[02:54] <fsc> so i have gstreamer-0.8mad installed so that's not the problem
[02:54] <Benbis> ompaul: as a newbie who has asked questions around for a few weeks, and even ordered the Ubuntu CD because I was told I probably wasn't burning it right, I don't think user friendly comes to mind
[02:54] <fsc> Buff, here. hold on. let me give you a link
[02:54] <bob2> fsc: ok, that's not the package name
[02:54] <fsc> bob2, i've got the package regardless of my typo
[02:54] <bob2> great!
[02:54] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: remember that what  you were doing a while ago is not typical for a newbie - but with some help you did it - that's how open source works
[02:54] <Buff> fsc: oh i know it can with the extra packages installed if thats what you meant
[02:55] <ompaul> Benbis, I find that interesting, how do you figure you have progressed?
[02:55] <fsc> Buff, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=alsa%20esd
[02:55] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can't really complain when volunteers are producing this for you, can you?
[02:55] <hikaru79> Can anyone tell me how to format a USB flash drive as a FAT32 volume?
[02:55] <shadeofgrey> well.. i mean icouldnt have done it without you guys, im not afraid to admit i know nothing about linux
[02:55] <bob2> thoreauputic: I think you made your point already
[02:55] <Benbis> I haven't. And I asked again this evening in here, and still do not have an answer, nor an inkling where to find one.
[02:55] <bob2> hikaru79: sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/fd0
[02:56] <hikaru79> Thank you, bob2 =)
[02:56] <bob2> Benbis: as I said, ask on the mailing list
[02:56] <thoreauputic> bob2: sorry, I'm just annoyed - I'll take a deep breath
[02:56] <bob2> Benbis: long complicated questions don't work very well on IRC
[02:56] <ompaul> Benbis, find what?
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Hello
[02:56] <DaSkreech> What are the zlibs called in Ubuntu?
[02:56] <Benbis> I didn't think asking 'Any idea why I get a can't mount CD-ROM' was a long question...
[02:56] <shadeofgrey> why dont i ask a better question.. does ubuntu ship and install with good .ogg format support?
[02:57] <bob2> DaSkreech: same as on Debian, zlib0g
[02:57] <bob2> Benbis: it's not, but debugging it is
[02:57] <hikaru79> bob2, it tells me:
[02:57] <bob2> shadeofgrey: yes!
[02:57] <hikaru79> mkfs.vfat: /dev/sda1 contains a mounted file system.
[02:57] <bob2> hikaru79: you have to umount it first
[02:57] <hikaru79> Ooh
[02:57] <hikaru79> I knew that :$
[02:57] <bob2> hikaru79: 'sudo umount /dev/sda1'
[02:57] <DaSkreech> apt-get install should be able to install them correct?
[02:57] <tidalwav1> Hi again, people, just upgraded to Hoary, and I don't like the new cursors at all...I downloaded Pinux's Tux Cursors but have no idea how to install 'em.
[02:57] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yes, i think you'll find it so
[02:57] <DaSkreech> I'm not having much sucess
[02:57] <hikaru79> Oh, thanks
[02:57] <ompaul> benbis, you want to mount a CD-ROM, can you tell me what you expect to find on that cdrom?
[02:57] <hikaru79> Is it normal for the whole thing to only take about 2 seconds?
[02:58] <bob2> DaSkreech: do you mean "How do I compile a piece of software that requires zlib?"?
[02:58] <ompaul> benbis, music / data ?
[02:58] <shadeofgrey> okay.  whats the easiest fastest way to convert 67 gigs of mp3s to .ogg?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Well ... ok Yes
[02:58] <bob2> shadeofgrey: not bother
[02:58] <tidalwav1> any help on installing cursors?
[02:58] <Benbis> ompaul - I have the Ubuntu CD that gets shipped and am trying to install that.
[02:58] <Buff> shadeofgrey: perfect
[02:58] <Vjaz> Could someone confirm a bug in GStreamer/Rhythmbox using Warty? If I play an OGG/Vorbis file and use the slider to rewind it to 00:00 (just drag it to the left over the slider), Rhythmbox crashes.
[02:58] <Benbis> But the install fails as it is unable to mount the cd-rom drive
[02:58] <Buff> oops, was reading further back
[02:58] <bob2> DaSkreech: apt-cache search zlib dev
[02:59] <bob2> (hint: zlib1g-dev)
[02:59] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: heh - sox springs to mind but I think you'd lose quality - I may be wrong on that
[02:59] <bob2> you will lose quality
[02:59] <bob2> it's really not worth it
[02:59] <thully> does anyone know if hoary is going to be released with OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 or 2.0 as default?
[02:59] <Benbis> Was wondering if there was, for example, a way to just copy the CD on the new HD, and run the install from there.
[02:59] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you don't need to you know - I'm playing mp3 streams here for instance
[02:59] <bob2> Benbis: no
[02:59] <DaSkreech> bob2: I was installing clamav from source and it requires zlib. So I tried to apt-get zlib but couldn't find it
[03:00] <shadeofgrey> okay well...  does xxs play mp3s?
[03:00] <bob2> DaSkreech: yes, but I just told you the actual name of the package
[03:00] <DaSkreech> bob2: Thanks
[03:00] <bob2> shadeofgrey: xmms? yes.
[03:00] <DaSkreech> bob2: Right I got it now I think
[03:00] <ompaul> Benbis, it is possible but it would be much easier to try to fix the problem
[03:00] <bob2> thully: it's been discussed on the dev list, I do believe.
[03:00] <ompaul> Benbis, is it on a seperate machine?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you just need to install the right stuff - that's why bob2 pointed you to tose links
[03:00] <thully> well, what decisions have been made?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: and yes, xmms plays mp3 s
[03:01] <Benbis> The new cd you mean?
[03:01] <ompaul> yes
[03:01] <Benbis> er, hd
[03:01] <Benbis> I remove the Windows hd, and put in a brand new formatted hd on which the install is to go
[03:01] <shadeofgrey> is xmms easy toinstall?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> so does rhythmbox, or beep-media-player
[03:01] <ompaul> benbis why?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install xmms
[03:02] <bob2> shadeofgrey: yes
[03:02] <Benbis> Space issues. Just wanted to start fresh
[03:02] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but read the info bob32 gave on restricted formats
[03:02] <bob2> thoreauputic: rhytmbox requires gstreamer0.8-mad which shadeofgrey is apparently having trouble with
[03:02] <thoreauputic> bbob2
[03:02] <Benbis> figured cleanest install was on a clean hd
[03:02] <tidalwav1> ...so no one can tell me how to install new cursors? :(
[03:02] <bob2> tidalwav1: ask on the user list, I guess
[03:02] <qlo-xael> bob2: the error messages i'm getting when i boot up are: Trying Module psmouse, " " mousedev, " " ide-cd, " " idegeneric, " " module lp.. and then i'm getting vgscan, vgchange LVM driver not loaded? Finally FATAL: Module dm_mod not found. Engine: Unable to open control node for Deivce-Mapper
[03:02] <peloy> okay, this must be a FAQ item somewhere but I can't for the life of me find the user ID I need to use to log into a box booted with a LiveCD. Does anyone know what I need to use?
[03:02] <fsc> he's not the only one having problems
[03:02] <ompaul> benbis fine, okay, the format for windows on a hd is different for Linux :-)
[03:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: he hasn't enabled his sources yet, I think?
[03:03] <shadeofgrey> the gstreamer thing wont load with apt- whatever
[03:03] <fsc> shadeofgrey, apt just installs it
[03:03] <shadeofgrey> so
[03:03] <Vjaz> Anyone with an OGG/Vorbis file and Rhythmbox? Does it crash if you play the OGG and then while playing rewind it to the beginning?
[03:03] <shadeofgrey> well it wont install
[03:04] <Benbis> OK. I suppose there would be something on the live disk to format the hd properly?
[03:04] <shadeofgrey> so i trust if i were to download xmms id use the debian binaries
[03:04] <hawke> Vjaz: Well, mine crashes pretty much randomly.
[03:04] <fsc> shadeofgrey, do this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=alsa%20esd. this fixed it for me
[03:04] <bob2> thoreauputic: I don't know
[03:04] <bob2> shadeofgrey: no
[03:04] <fsc> Buff, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=alsa%20esd fixed it for me with totem
[03:04] <ompaul> Benbis, first thing to do is to check what the disk is that you are trying to install to, so my first question is, is it an ide disk, the second is the disk set to cable select, if so can you please change it to slave
[03:04] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you'd install it from ubuntu, same as you install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:05] <bob2> shadeofgrey: I'm almost certain the problem is that you didn't follow all the steps on the page I gave you, tho
[03:05] <bob2> Vjaz: rhythmbox has lots of bugs, unfortunately
[03:05] <peloy> anyone knows the user ID need to use a LiveCD?
[03:05] <bob2> Benbis: that won't help you install
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but if universe isn't enabled, you will have problems - I also enabled multiverse
[03:05] <shadeofgrey> okay hold on
[03:06] <Vjaz> hawke, But can you replicate the bug I'm experiencing?
[03:07] <FR500> ok i sorted out everything, now only thing i lack is fn keys support
[03:07] <Vjaz> hawke, It seems like I can repeatedly crash Rhythmbox by doing this.
[03:07] <Vjaz> hawke, I can't crash it doing the same thing with an MP3.
[03:07] <aroman> hello people
[03:07] <Benbis> The disk - if I trust the device manager (I can go look on manufacturer site for better details) is 80 Gig IDE, SATA
[03:07] <ompaul> benbis - your arrangement for sanitys sake should really be ide0 drive one [set to master] - some other operating system, drive two [set to slave]   for ubuntu ide 1 cdrom/dvd set to master - and something set as slave
[03:08] <Vjaz> bob2, It does have a lot of bugs, but it will *continue* to have a lot of bugs if people don't report bugs like this, which is why I want to know if other people experience the same bug.
[03:08] <Vjaz> bob2, I'll need to try this out in the newer version of Rhythmbox though, since this is 0.8.5 from Warty.
[03:08] <Benbis> That is exactly how it is set up now, ompaul
[03:08] <aroman> I just installed ubuntu (had gentoo before) and I am trying to copy files over from a fat32 partition onto my /home/ folder (on a reiserfs partition). The copying process is extremely slow. I checked the drive parameters with hdparm /dev/hda and /dev/hdb and they seem to be running with dma on. Any ideas how to increase my file transfer rate? Thank you.
[03:09] <Vjaz> Luckily I have a dual boot to Hoary so I can try the new version there.  :) Back in 2 min after I try again.
[03:10] <bob2> (ie -c2)
[03:10] <aroman> bob2 do I just do something like... hdparm -c2 /dev/hda and then /dev/hdb?
[03:10] <bob2> if it's safe, yes
[03:10] <shadeofgrey> okay look
[03:10] <ompaul> aroman, that is usual however benbis was complaining that there were issues I want to try to identify exactly what issue is there
[03:10] <shadeofgrey> ive read the stuff you asked meto
[03:11] <shadeofgrey> im on the "how to access the universe repository" page - i followed the directions exactly and nothing happened the way it was suppoosed to
[03:11] <fsc> "supposed to"?
[03:11] <fsc> are you using synaptic?
[03:12] <aroman> bob2, ok... I did a -c2. It still is slow :(
[03:12] <aroman> bob2, would the changes be instant?
[03:12] <bob2> yeah
[03:12] <bob2> no idea then
[03:13] <aroman> :(
[03:14] <aroman> a hdparm -t /dev/hdb shows me:  Timing buffered disk reads:  148 MB in  3.01 seconds =  49.16 MB/sec
[03:14] <aroman> like.. that's fast enough to copy files... :/
[03:15] <bob2> hdparm's benchmarking is useless
[03:15] <bob2> ignore it
[03:15] <aroman> really
[03:15] <aroman> ok
[03:15] <aroman> another question then
[03:15] <aroman> how can I make cp skip the .something directories when copying?
[03:15] <bob2> cp /blah/* /bleh/
[03:16] <Benbis> Same as when I only have the new HD in. Unable to detect common CD-ROM drive.
[03:16] <ompaul> aroman, or you could do cp -R /somepath/whereever/* .
[03:17] <aroman> ompaul, that is what I did.. I also added -v
[03:17] <aroman> it seems to be fast now o_O
[03:17] <aroman> yet under nautilus it was DEAD slow
[03:17] <aroman> hmm
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> arg!
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> i hate being a newbie
[03:17] <aroman> lol... it's ok shadeofgrey
[03:18] <bob2> the first step is to stop using the word "newbie"
[03:18] <ogra> yeah
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> well its hard man.  i know how to do ALL this stuff in windows.  i could be WORKING right now and instead im fighting my computeer over music files
[03:18] <aroman> I'm new to ubuntu... is there a way to increase screen resolution without editing XF86Config-4 (which I'm ok with)?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you're learning a new operating system - I guess that takes a bit of time and effort
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> it took me three days to learn windows
[03:20] <aroman> shadeofgrey, but, then again, I had to reboot windows twice a day...
[03:20] <Benbis> It does get irritating when you can build a computer from scratch just fine, but can't even install an OS...
[03:20] <ompaul> benbis is that the accurate error message - not words like it ?
[03:20] <aroman> shadeofgrey, my gentoo box (this one, before tonight) was up and running like.. 24-7 for weeks
[03:20] <Zotnix> shadeofgrey, oddly enough, you can thank MS and big companies like it for making it hard to get MP3 support on Linux ;)
[03:21] <robertj> Zotnix: no, actually you can thank all your numbscull IRC users for pirating mp3s an a licensed format
[03:21] <Benbis> Yes it is Ompaul. Initially, it says unable to find common CD-Rom drive, then if I continue, trying all the drivers offered to be selected manually, I get the unable to mount message
[03:21] <karlos> aroman: >computer > system configuration > screen res...
[03:21] <shadeofgrey> okay so if i get the debian binarys for xmms they should install right
[03:21] <bob2> shadeofgrey: dude
[03:21] <TongMaster> Anyone know of any problems with warty 686 kernels not automount CD's?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: well, it's a question of whether you want to discover the power of linux, or just use something friendly: I guess a ma would be easier,, but I find os-x is just as hard when you dig a bit deeper
[03:21] <bob2> shadeofgrey: no
[03:21] <aroman> karlos, no, that gives me up to 1024x768.. I want more, and to change the refresh rate
[03:21] <robertj> thoreauputic: haha, I wish it was, it's bad
[03:21] <bob2> shadeofgrey: if you really can't get the instructions on the wiki to work, say so
[03:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you need to stop thinking of packages in isolaton
[03:22] <karlos> aroman: aroman , i think you have to set that up during installation
[03:22] <robertj> OS X is Ubuntu's big retarded brother
[03:22] <karlos> or like you say edit the x86 files
[03:22] <Jae_> Heh.
[03:22] <robertj> Although it's got lots of nice points, someone needs to lure the DirectoryService team away
[03:22] <aroman> karlos, I wasn't given the option
[03:23] <Jae_> Quite a greeting.
[03:23] <mxpxpod> is anyone running hoary having a problem with evolution's composer not showing icons on its toolbar buttons?
[03:23] <Jae_> I've got... three... things I want to install, and I was wondering if I could get a bit of help?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> robertj: well, fink and darwin are kind of tricky ;)
[03:23] <karlos> aroman, dunno then..may be your monitor
[03:24] <thoreauputic> robertj: the file system is weird
[03:24] <bob2> Jae_: best to just ask...
[03:24] <robertj> thor: I like it, it's just used very stupidly
[03:24] <robertj> most .files go to live in ~/Library/blah
[03:24] <thoreauputic> robertj: agreed - it's bsd underneath, but it's well hidden
[03:24] <shadeofgrey> bob2:  the info on the wiki is just like every other linux doc attempt.  its not thorough, and makes too many assumptions
[03:24] <robertj> which would be just great if the preference lists in ~/Library/blah defaulted back to /Library/blah
[03:24] <ompaul> benbis what kind of cdrom drive is that?
[03:25] <nix000> anyone tell me wehre i can get the kernel config file in hoary ? i want to compile 2.6.10 in warty
[03:25] <robertj> the bsd part of darwin is one of the biggest problems
[03:25] <shadeofgrey> bob:  i followed its directions exactly and now synaptic doesnt work at ALL
[03:25] <bob2> shadeofgrey: like what?
[03:25] <bob2> gah
[03:25] <bob2> nevermind then
[03:25] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can rewrite them for us in a few months. as you're a writer :)
[03:25] <robertj> the bsd utils need to go far far away
[03:25] <Benbis> hp dvd-writer dvd300i
[03:25] <Jae_> Alrighty. I didn't know the protocol. Some places prefer you get friendly, first.
[03:25] <robertj> hopefully Tiger will replace them with resource-fork aware versions of utilites
[03:25] <shadeofgrey> i'd be more than happy to rewrite them if one of you linux aces could just provide me with the rigfht steps
[03:25] <karlos> shadeofgrey: try looking on the HOW-TO'S  on the ubuntu forum...i've found them most helpful
[03:26] <bob2> shadeofgrey: paste the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:26] <Benbis> I also tried with a Samsung CD-Master 48e, model SC-148
[03:26] <Jae_> I guess the easiest thing to do is explain my setup. I've got a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 PCI-based sound-card that's showing up but not actually... y'know... making any sounds. I've got an nVidia GeForce MX 4000 which is working just fine, but the 3D functionality is slow as ass despite it being a 64MB card (it can't even run simple 3D screen savers).
[03:26] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: well, start witha howto on copying 7gigs of mp3s from your windows partiton ;)
[03:26] <Jae_> I've also got a tablet, an AceCat Flair, that I'd like to get working with GIMP.
[03:27] <Benbis> At this rate, I'll move down to my NAD turntable :)
[03:27] <bob2> Jae_: a) you need to define "not making any sound"
[03:27] <bob2> Jae_: b) wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, install the non-free binary-only drivers
[03:27] <bob2> Jae_: 3) don't know
[03:27] <ompaul> Benbis,  you could but it might not improve the situation
[03:28] <ompaul> Benbis, :)
[03:28] <Benbis> Was afraid you'd say that ;-)
[03:28] <Jae_> Bob - Well by "not making sound" I mean that it's just... not playing the sounds through to my speakers.
[03:28] <bob2> Jae_: when you do what?
[03:28] <shadeofgrey> how do i look at the contents of the file you want bob?
[03:29] <WW> Hello, world.
[03:29] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you haven't opened a text file on ubuntu before?
[03:29] <shadeofgrey> bob:  nope
[03:29] <WW> Does anyone have Java 1.5 installed and working with firefox?
[03:29] <shadeofgrey> correction...  once - but that was many hours ago
[03:29] <Jae_> Use CD Player or the movie player or anything that should put sounds through.
[03:29] <bob2> shadeofgrey: hit alt-f2.  type "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" (no quotes). hit enter.
[03:29] <AlohaWolf> WW you need to tell FireFox where Java is Located
[03:29] <Jae_> I've got a CD in the player right now and CD Player shows it playing, but I'm getting no sound.
[03:29] <bob2> Jae_: cd player doesn't count
[03:30] <bob2> Jae_: movie player may.
[03:30] <bob2> Jae_: open a terminal and type "lsmod | grep emu10k1"
[03:30] <ne0genius> hey guys .. i just upgraded to hoary through apt-get and the nvidia drivers i installed i guess need to be reinstalled cause X isn't starting .. anyone can help me
[03:30] <WW> AlohaWolf: Yup, I know.  But there is an applet that I want to use that works with Java 1.4.  It does not appear to work with 1.5.
[03:30] <peloy> The Hoary LiveCD is asking for me for a user ID in gdm. What am I supposed to use? Can someone give me a clue?
[03:30] <shadeofgrey> it opened as read only
[03:30] <shadeofgrey> okay i see what i need to do
[03:30] <bob2> shadeofgrey: that's fine
[03:30] <bob2> shadeofgrey: paste it to #flood
[03:31] <Jae_> Okay. Got a list.
[03:31] <kdtresh> can anyone tell me what audit(1108664938.653:0): initialized refers to?
[03:31] <WW> AlohaWolf: So I'm looking to see if someone else who has 1.5 installed could test it.
[03:31] <bob2> Jae_: cool
[03:31] <bob2> Jae_: now "lsof | grep /snd".  does it mention esd?
[03:32] <bob2> kdtresh: to do with the kernel LSM hooks, aiui
[03:32] <Jae_> mixer_app 19881        jae   37u   CHR      116,0              6167 /dev/snd/controlC0
[03:32] <Jae_> mixer_app 19881        jae   38u   CHR     116,32              6760 /dev/snd/controlC1
[03:32] <Jae_> That's all it shows.
[03:32] <bob2> try running "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp", does it make a horrible noise?
[03:32] <kdtresh> on my system?
[03:33] <kdtresh> it hangs right after that audit
[03:33] <nix000> anyone can suggest easiest way of getting nvidia latest binaries working in warty ?
[03:33] <Jae_> Nope. Not a blessed sound.
[03:33] <bob2> Jae_: have you unmuted the soundcard?
[03:33] <Jae_> Okay, I should've done this first, but lemme make sure the speakers are plugged in. I did a minimal install the other day while upgrading the processor and might not've plugged 'em back in.
[03:33] <Jae_> bob - No, how do I do that?
[03:33] <bob2> Jae_: run the gnome mixer or alsamixer in a terminal
[03:34] <Jae_> Okay, I have it plugged in. :P
[03:34] <Jae_> How?
[03:34] <kdtresh> bob2: what would cause a system to hang at the audit(1108664938.653:0): initialized?
[03:35] <Jae_> Gag. I talk to too many AOLers. Their infectous use of smilies has... well... infected me.
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> wow
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> i crashed the whole system
[03:35] <Jae_> Good jorb.
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> just changing themes!
[03:35] <Jae_> KDE?
[03:35] <ne0genius> anyone .. nvidia drivers .. hoary?
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> gnome
[03:35] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: most of the sources are commented out in the file you pasted
[03:35] <Jae_> Weird.
[03:35] <Jae_> nVidia drivers? Install 'em. :D
[03:36] <Ainvar> ok, I think I am blind or dumb or prolly both!! Where do I find updated source lists for hoary like the list for warty?
[03:36] <Jae_> http://www.nvidia.com/ <-- Support / Drivers / Download
[03:36] <bob2> kdtresh: I don't know, I doubt it's related
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> Jae_: no
[03:36] <Jae_> >_> No?
[03:36] <kdtresh> i'm kinda trying to diagnose what i think might be a hardware problem
[03:36] <shadeofgrey> tho:  yes.  how do i make the file editable so i can change it?
[03:36] <bob2> Ainvar: how do you mean? security updates?
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> ne0genius: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[03:36] <kdtresh> trying to find out where the load is failing
[03:36] <bob2> Jae_: run 'alsamixer' in a terminal.
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <shadeofgrey> i think i actually set the rest of it rightr
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:36] <bob2> kdtresh: run memtest86 overnight
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Got it installed and setup properly :-)
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Thanks bob2
[03:37] <bob2> np
[03:37] <kdtresh> bob2: i have, there is no problem with memory
[03:37] <bob2> shadeofgrey: someone has messed that file up
[03:37] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: well if you want to use gedit, start it with sudo gedit
[03:37] <shadeofgrey> how can that be?  its never been edited?
[03:37] <ne0genius> HrdwrBoB: i upgraded to hory thru apt and it broke X .. i figure i would re run nvidia-glx-config .. didn't do the trick
[03:37] <shadeofgrey> i deleted something out of.. whats it called
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> would that have done it?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> synaptic?
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> correct
[03:38] <robertj> are there plans for the oo2 database component to make it into hoary?
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> my list in synaptic is empty
[03:38] <thoreauputic> yes, that coud have stuffed the file
[03:39] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: basically synaptic is connected to that list, and fiddling in synaptic with administrator privikeges can break things
[03:39] <thoreauputic> *privileges
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> ne0genius: how is X broken
[03:39] <shadeofgrey> okay.  how do i create a repository listing?
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> all i do is hit add and then type the address right?
[03:40] <kdtresh> bob2: when i try to boot failsafe, it hangs on "using anticipatory io scheduler"
[03:40] <Jae_> Bob2 - How do I get things to stop saying "[off] "?
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> it starts with "deb http://"
[03:40] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: also you areusing hoary, which is a Bad Move (tm) for someone inexperienced
[03:40] <bob2> kdtresh: ok
[03:40] <bob2> Jae_: I don't know
[03:40] <ne0genius> HrdwrBoB: well it won't start .. gnome
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> sio what do i do ?  reinstall ubuntu?
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> i can have that done in 40 mins
[03:41] <kdtresh> i'm just trying to boot the warty livecd
[03:41] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you probably need somone to send you their hoary sources file
[03:41] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I'm using warty or I'd do that for you
[03:41] <bob2> no you don't
[03:41] <Ainvar> shadeofgrey,  I can do that for you
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> its just easier to reinstall it isnt it
[03:42] <gcode> So using warty Ubuntu I can't get firefox 1.0 until 2 months from now or something?
[03:42] <Ainvar> shadeofgrey, gimme an email addy I can send it to for you
[03:42] <Jae_> Ah.
[03:42] <Jae_> You hit "m" for "Mute"
[03:42] <Jae_> :D
[03:42] <Jae_> man -- it's what's for dinner!
[03:42] <thoreauputic> ah - shadeofgrey, you could run sudo apt-setup
[03:42] <rattboi> gcode, how about use the backports repo?
[03:42] <WW> gcode: You could use the warty backports repository.
[03:42] <WW> rattboi: :)
[03:43] <gcode> Is that safe to use and everything? I know nothing about it. I'm primarily a Gentoo user and I'm used to portage.
[03:43] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that should give you a fresh file
[03:43] <farruinn> gcode: what's in ff 1.0 that you need?
[03:43] <Jae_> Still not working. Unmuted everything I've got in alsamixer.
[03:43] <Jae_> Maybe I gotta quit to apply changes.
[03:43] <rattboi> gcode, if you're a gentoo guy, aren't you used to bleeding edge?
[03:43] <gcode> Uh, all the fixes and updates from 1.0. :)
[03:43] <gcode> right
[03:44] <rattboi> and in that case, why not use warty?
[03:44] <gcode> I just wasn't sure how ubuntu handled the latest releases
[03:44] <farruinn> gcode: hrm, the ff with warty works fine for me...
[03:44] <gcode> I am using warty
[03:44] <WW> gcode: To be honest, I used 1.0 from backports for a little while, but there was some weirdness with how it interacted with workspaces, so I went back to 0.9.3.
[03:44] <shadeofgrey> okay i guess it worked
[03:44] <gcode> Well there are also major updates to gaim that aren't in ubuntu right now too
[03:44] <rattboi> oh
[03:44] <gcode> I just prefer to have the latest features of course
[03:44] <rattboi> hoary, I meant
[03:44] <farruinn> gcode: best bet there to build the gaim source yourself and install it in /usr/local
[03:44] <gcode> hmm
[03:45] <gcode> ok
[03:45] <Jae_> bob - still isn't working.
[03:45] <gcode> I may just end up going back to gentoo. :)
[03:45] <farruinn> whatever suits  you
[03:46] <gcode> I just wanted to check out the ubuntu hype ;)
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Well how about bleeding edge gaim-vv :)
[03:46] <gcode> the installer was quite nice
[03:47] <mz2> whoa, tomboy rocks
[03:47] <Ainvar> yeah the build of haory from the repos is running very nice
[03:47] <mz2> i never imagined it would be actually useful, but this is reaally cool
[03:47] <DaSkreech> try Beagle
[03:47] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: any special reason you are using the development version? you didn't have a warty cd or something?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> It's just as mind blowing
[03:48] <mz2> it's not yet in the repos, or is it?
[03:48] <kdtresh> bob2: any ideas?
[03:48] <mz2> and it keeps leaking memory for quite a bit
[03:48] <mz2> beagle, i mean
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's like 6 months old :-)
[03:48] <mz2> f-spot wouldn't run, though
[03:48] <mz2> it complains this to me:
[03:48] <DaSkreech> All Six month old beagle's leak if you put that much pressure on them L)
[03:49] <mz2> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libfspot
[03:49] <mz2> in <0x00053> (wrapper managed-to-native) FSpot.ImageView:f_image_view_new ()
[03:49] <Ainvar> so is there a list of extra repos for hoary like there was for warty that was listed in the unofficial ubuntu guide?
[03:50] <Ainvar> or can I just do a replace of warty with hoary in repos that have warty listed in them?
[03:51] <FR500> hey
[03:51] <FR500> is there a way to play wma in rythmbox?
[03:51] <mz2> but is there a debian/ubuntu package of beagle somewhere, then?
[03:51] <ne0genius> Ainvar: i was wondering the same thing
[03:52] <Ainvar> hehe
[03:52] <Ainvar> I guess my question can go along with the question to mr owl on how many licks does it take to get to the middle of a toitsie roll lollipop
[03:53] <ne0genius> 3
[03:54] <thoreauputic> FR500: is there a way to play .ogg in win media player ? ;)
[03:55] <FR500> ok thx
[03:55] <FR500> so i guess i gotta convert
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> oh great
[03:56] <bob2> kdtresh: no
[03:56] <salti> thoreauputic: can I pm you?
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> now when i minimize my windowsthey dont show anywhere they just disappear
[03:57] <thoreauputic> salti: what is your question?
[03:57] <Jae_> How do I drop to shell from Gnome? I need X shut down.
[03:57] <FR500> but i'm just worried about sonic stage's capability of converting ogg  so i can use them in my netmd
[03:57] <kdtresh> ok, thanks for your time
[03:57] <FR500> Jae: ctrl alt f1?
[03:57] <ne0genius> is the array 5 cd usable?  topic is showing 4
[03:57] <salti> I didn't write down the commands that we did earlier and I just wanted to remember what they were.
[03:57] <FR500> if u want to restart gnome ctrl alt bkspace works
[03:57] <Jae_> I can give it a shot.
[03:57] <salti> ahhh!
[03:58] <nix000> anyone tell me where i can get the kernel config file for hoary ? i am running warty now.
[03:58] <hawke> is not-being-able-to-switch-vts-out-of-x a new "feature"?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: try right click on panel, "add window list"
[03:58] <Vjaz> Jae_, If you need to shut down X for more than a second (for which you can press ctrl+alt+backspace like fr500 said), run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[03:59] <mz2> thoreauputic, yes there is a way to play .ogg in win media player :)
[04:00] <thoreauputic> mz2: ah, interesting! :)
[04:00] <Vjaz> I was thinking of saying something funny about Jae_ quitting just after that, but I guess he would've had to quit IRC in any case if he wasn't using it in the console, which is highly unlikely given his question.
[04:00] <mz2> similarly there is a gst-plugin for wma, isn't there? from 0.8.6 onwards or something (i might be wrong?)
[04:00] <thoreauputic> mz2: didn't know that - but then I never use windows these days
[04:00] <shadeofgrey> holy cow batman!  i did it!
[04:01] <mz2> thoreauputic, well me neither,but i found out about it for a friend who couldn't play a song i sent him :)
[04:01] <mz2> there's a directplay dll for ogg vorbis
[04:01] <thoreauputic> mz2: I see :)
[04:01] <qlo-xael> Can anyone help me create an initrd file for my newly compiled kernel?
[04:04] <qlo-xael> anyone???
[04:04] <rubixXx> whats a good burning prog
[04:05] <bob2> qlo-xael: I already told you how
[04:05] <bob2> qlo-xael: --initrd to make-kpkg
[04:06] <FR500> soo mz2, how do i play wma in rythmbox?
[04:06] <bob2> you probably can't
[04:06] <bob2> unless the gstreamer ffmpeg stuff can do it
[04:06] <ions> I just freshly installed ubuntu and started customizing my Gnome panel
[04:07] <ions> it's now completely frozen
[04:07] <shadeofgrey> whats the apt-install command for the nvidia drivers?
[04:07] <ions> restarting X does nothing, the panel freezes right away
[04:08] <ions> if I do a kill -1 it doesn't even restart
[04:09] <hawke> shadeofgrey: apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-[processortype]
[04:09] <cisei> shadeofgrey: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> hawke: $(uname -r)
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:09] <cisei> shadeofgray: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:09] <ions> no ideas?
[04:09] <cisei> shadeofgrey: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:10] <bob2> shadeofgrey: wiki.ubtunu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:10] <bob2> ions: warty?
[04:10] <qlo-xael> bob2: how do i "--initrd to make-kpkg"
[04:10] <ions> yeah
[04:10] <qlo-xael> what is make-kpkg?
[04:10] <bob2> haha
[04:10] <bob2> qlo-xael: if you're building it manually and want an initrd, you need to go read a whole lot of stuff
[04:10] <bob2> (I don't know how to do it)
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:11] <bob2> it's really far far far far less hassle to use an Ubuntu kernel or to compile yours monolithically
[04:11] <qlo-xael> what is compiling monolithically
[04:11] <FR500> what is a diff file?
[04:11] <bob2> qlo-xael: compiling (at least) the basic stuff into the kernel instead of as modules
[04:12] <bob2> like I said a couple of hours ago
[04:12] <qlo-xael> thats what i've done
[04:12] <bob2> FR500: a file that describes the differences between two files
[04:12] <qlo-xael> almost nothing in my kernel is a module
[04:12] <bob2> qlo-xael: then you don't need an initrd
[04:12] <membreya> what's the easiest way (apart from remote computers) to test my sambafs?
[04:12] <qlo-xael> but for some reason, its still trying to load those modules
[04:12] <qlo-xael> and thats where i'm getting an error
[04:12] <rubixXx> whats a good, easy-to-use burning prog
[04:13] <farruinn> nautilus?
[04:14] <hawke> HAM
[04:14] <hawke> rubixXx: k3b
[04:15] <nhudson> does anyone have a good way of mounting an ipod and be able to write to it?
[04:15] <rubixXx> hawke): does it actualy work?
[04:15] <nhudson> I can mount the ipod but I cant write to it
[04:16] <hawke> rubixXx: Like hooked on phonics, it works for me.
[04:16] <bob2> rubixXx: aiui, you need something like gtkpod to do that
[04:18] <scoon> nhudson, /dev/sda2       /media/iPod             vfat            noauto,users,exec,dev,suid      0       0
[04:19] <scoon> nhudson, i have a second gen firewire ipod and that seems to work for me
[04:19] <scoon> and has since i got it
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Does Ubuntu have any known issues with Some USB keys?
[04:19] <rubixXx> yep
[04:19] <rubixXx> mine was messed
[04:19] <nhudson> scoon: hmm for some reason I thought the iPods were hfs only
[04:19] <rubixXx> try a ps/2 adapter if ya got 1 and it should work fine
[04:20] <scoon> nhudson, no.  you can make a vfat one hfs and an hfs one vfat
[04:20] <sigglet> http://pag.lcs.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[04:20] <scoon> nhudson, even apple has scripts to convert between the 2 types
[04:20] <nhudson> scoon: so I can get this from Apple then?
[04:20] <sigglet> scoon: read that url I pasted above
[04:20] <DaSkreech> a PS2 adapter for a USB memory stick?
[04:21] <hawke> DaSkreech: good call, I was wondering the same.
[04:21] <scoon> thanks sigglet but my ipod works just fine.  maybe nhudson would want to take a peek at that.
[04:22] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking thats not the reason your Memory stick was messed up :-)
[04:23] <nhudson> scoon: sigglet: thanks that looks to be what I needed
[04:24] <FR500> how do i install deb files? i have been spoiled by apt-get
[04:25] <jdub> FR500: dpkg -i <file>
[04:25] <farruinn> dpkg -i [file] .deb
[04:25] <scoon> FR500, you may be better served opening up a terminal and doing a quick man dpkg
[04:26] <qlo-xael> bob2: can you tell me what make-kpkg is and how to use it?
[04:26] <qlo-xael> bob2: does it take the place of make? make install??
[04:26] <bob2> qlo-xael: it's a tool for buliding Debian/Ubuntu kernel packages
[04:26] <bob2> it takes the place of both of them for kernel compiles
[04:27] <farruinn> qlo-xael: I think there's a howto or something at www.debian.org/doc
[04:27] <qlo-xael> what about make modules_install
[04:27] <bob2> and that
[04:27] <qlo-xael> do i not need that either?
[04:27] <bob2> if you want an initrd, yes
[04:27] <farruinn> I know that there is at least a quick overview of the "debian/ubuntu" way at the end of the install manual
[04:27] <fsc> is the nuvola theme new in hoary? i don't remember seeing it before and i noticed on my update that gnome-theme-extras was updated.  looks great
[04:29] <FR500> why is that i can't install an mplayer with a gui, synaptic tells me it can't find some deps
[04:29] <FR500> i added all the repos in the unofficial faq
[04:31] <Dreamer3> FR500: dunno, i think that's mentioned in the ubuntu guide though
[04:32] <MMA[Cory] > Anyone home?
[04:32] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[04:32] <FR500> no,  only the mozilla plugins
[04:33] <bestadvocate> anyone elses lush theme foobared?
[04:33] <qlo-xael> so, in order to compile a kernel with make-kpkg, all i need to do is put a working .config file in /usr/src/linux and type make-kpkg --initrd
[04:33] <bob2> FR500: doesn't work on warty, unfortunately
[04:34] <MMA[Cory] > Can anyone tell me where the ".Xdefaults" file is?
[04:34] <qlo-xael> am i way off here?
[04:34] <FR500> but it's only matter of dependencies i think, it lacks libarts and something else, nothing more
[04:34] <farruinn> MMA[Cory] : locate .Xdefaults
[04:34] <MMA[Cory] > Ill try again
[04:34] <thoreauputic> salti: sorry - dialup disconnect :(
[04:34] <casimir> so with make-kpkg I can make a custom kernel, is there a way that I can make my nvidia drivers work with it?
[04:35] <salti> thoreauputic: no problem!
[04:35] <MMA[Cory] > "warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory"
[04:35] <casimir> I haven't made the nvidia drivers with .deb files before
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Ok another question does apt-get keep a log of the messages?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> and obviously where they are :-)
[04:36] <farruinn> MMA[Cory] : I think you need to run 'sudo updatedb'
[04:36] <MMA[Cory] > ahh
[04:36] <farruinn> DaSkreech: messages?
[04:37] <MMA[Cory] > Farruinn: same warning
[04:37] <DaSkreech> farruinn: Well I just installed spamassassin and I wanted to get a list of the packages it said it needed to install to satisfy deps
[04:37] <farruinn> DaSkreech: apt-cache show spamassasin
[04:37] <farruinn> that will list dependencies
[04:37] <farruinn> as well as other info
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[04:38] <salti> thoreauputic: by the way, thanks again for the help!
[04:38] <thoreauputic> salti: no problem :)
[04:38] <MMA[Cory] > Im lookin for the .Xdefaults file to install a mouse theme.
[04:39] <qlo-xael> so, in order to compile a kernel with make-kpkg, all i need to do is put a working .config file in /usr/src/linux and type make-kpkg --initrd
[04:39] <SiRrUs> qlo-xael why do you want to compile a kernel
[04:40] <qlo-xael> oh no here we go again
[04:40] <qlo-xael> thats how i do it
[04:40] <qlo-xael> all my previous linux experience is in slackware
[04:40] <qlo-xael> i'mnot familiar with make-kpkg
[04:40] <qlo-xael> i would just like some help with that to make sure i'm doing everything right
[04:41] <SiRrUs> sorry i asked
[04:41] <membreya> has anyone here gotten mplayer to work on an amd64 system??
[04:42] <qlo-xael> ubuntu doesnt come with make-kpkg
[04:43] <qlo-xael> please dont be offended, i just want to stem off any argument as to why i shouldnt compile my own kernel
[04:43] <qlo-xael> and go straight for the help i'm looking for
[04:43] <SiRrUs> qlo-xael iasked you a simple question wasnt planning on arguing. It seems your a bit defensive. But good luck
[04:44] <farruinn> you might ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[04:44] <qlo-xael> sirius, i am defensive, bob2 has made me this way with, i'm very glad you werent going to argue with me
[04:45] <TongMaster> Has anyone seen a situation where Warty won't auto-mount any CD's put into a particular model of CD-RW? (Note: these CD's mount in Warty on machine with different IDE cdroms)
[04:45] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: there are docs on debian.org about compiling a kernel with kpkg
[04:45] <thoreauputic> and it is available in ubuntu repos - you might need univers
[04:45] <thoreauputic> *universe
[04:45] <bob2> er, how did I make you defensive?
[04:45] <Amaranth> osnews had a guide to compiling a 2.4 kernel with debian
[04:45] <bob2> afaict you have no reason to be building a kernel, so I advised you to not and save everyone a huge amount of hassle
[04:46] <Amaranth> you can adapt it to 2.6 if you know what to ignore
[04:46] <bob2> then you insisted so I explained how to do it anyway
[04:46] <qlo-xael> u wanted to argue about whether it was worth my time to compile a kernel, bob2
[04:47] <qlo-xael> which is fine, i just dont have time for that
[04:47] <bob2> no I didn't
[04:47] <bob2> I was just pointing out that you had no reason
[04:47] <qlo-xael> why?
[04:47] <bob2> and that if you'd use an ubuntu kernel, you'd be done and down at the pub by now
[04:47] <stuNNed> heh
[04:47] <bob2> hm
[04:47] <stuNNed> bob2: how much ac patches make it into ubuntuoolios kernelz?
[04:47] <bob2> speaking of which, it's lunch o'clock
[04:47] <casimir> ubuntu has pretty good wireless support, he might be at the pub right now
[04:48] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: actually kernel-package is in main
[04:48] <bob2> qlo-xael: good luck, yes "make-kpkg --initd" with the ubuntu .config in an ubuntu kernel source should work
[04:48] <Codyman> hello
[04:49] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: apt-cache policy kernel-package ; apt-cache show kernel-package
[04:49] <qlo-xael> its just that the whole reason i am compiling my own kernel is so it is configured for my system, if i download preconfigured kernels, this is not moving in the direction i want
[04:49] <casimir> is there a way I can prevent agpgart from loading
[04:49] <Codyman> i am new to ubuntu... i installed it but it refuses to launch gnome because it is detecting my integrated video card and not my ATI one.. so i have pico'ed the xorg.conf file and see that it is finding my intel chipset, but how do i reset it to find my PCI ATI card?
[04:49] <bob2> qlo-xael: yes, but "configuring it for your system" is no gain
[04:50] <bob2> stuNNed: whatever fabio decides is needed to fix bugs/add features
[04:50] <delltony> hi anyone here use winetools by chance reason i ask in the base setup do you have to install internet explore 6 and if so have you been able to successfully do this cause with me it freezes at around 44 percent
[04:50] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: so don't worry about justifying yourself - just apt-get kernel-package and go for it
[04:50] <bob2> qlo-xael: anyway, install kernel-packageand run the command I said earlier
[04:50] <qlo-xael> but honestly, thanks so much for your help
[04:51] <qlo-xael> ubuntu drove me nuts when i first got it
[04:51] <qlo-xael> its growing on me
[04:51] <qlo-xael> ubuntu just wants to be in X so bad
[04:51] <qlo-xael> hehe
[04:52] <membreya> ubuntu is awesome for me ..got tv out working, tv tuner...all the hardware I need...just got to get around to all the divx'ing ;)
[04:52] <qlo-xael> thats why i'm putting it on my desktop next
[04:52] <Codyman> how can i reset my xorg.conf file since it is corrupt
[04:52] <thoreauputic> different language from slack - but equally tweakable if you want it
[04:52] <stuNNed> membreya: how'd you get tvout working? :P
[04:52] <membreya> stuNNed: ...editing my xorg.conf :D
[04:52] <stuNNed> membreya: ouch :(
[04:52] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic: thats good to hear, i was worried ubuntu was resistant to tweaking
[04:53] <membreya> very easy to do stuNNed :)
[04:53] <membreya> want it ?
[04:53] <stuNNed> membreya: shouldn't really have to do that, was it hard or can you put something up somewhere? sure!
[04:53] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: well, gnome is a bit resistant to tweaking ;)
[04:53] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: but with your slack experience, you'll find stuff :)
[04:54] <sn0wman> Hi.  Is Hoary stable enough for everyday use yet?
[04:54] <qlo-xael> coolness
[04:55] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: install build-essential and the dev x packages and checkinstall ::)
[04:55] <thoreauputic> if you haven't already
[04:55] <farruinn> sn0wman: I think that depends on your level of tolerance
[04:55] <MMA[Cory] > sn0wman: not from what Ive read, but Im still a n00b. ;)
[04:56] <sn0wman> farruinn, do things still crash. (I tried it a while ago, and the stability was aweful)
[04:56] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic: already got build-essential, but for the rest: apt-get install devx? apt-get install checkinstall
[04:56] <qlo-xael> "
[04:56] <qlo-xael> ?
[04:56] <Codyman> i just installed ubuntu.. how do i set a root password
[04:56] <farruinn> sn0wman: no idea, it think it's a unique experience for everyone, and besides, I'm not running hoary atm
[04:56] <thoreauputic> x-window-system-dev and checkinstall
[04:57] <qlo-xael> thanks so much
[04:57] <invisible_jim> anyone know if warnings and errors (or the entire session) are logged during a kernel compile? - and where to find them :)
[04:57] <Amaranth> Codyman: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:57] <farruinn> Codyman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo is your friend :)
[04:57] <farruinn> haha
[04:57] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: apt-cache show x-window-system-dev for the summary
[04:57] <Codyman> mind readers!
[04:57] <Amaranth> We _really_ need a bot to spit things like that out.
[04:57] <farruinn> I had one around
[04:57] <farruinn> but then I reformatted my drive
[04:58] <matt_1> how do I choose my network card during the install, if the auto detection fails?
[04:58] <Amaranth> I had one that may or may not still be on my server. If not I could recreate it in about 20 minutes.
[04:58] <matt_1> it says to 'go back to the network hardware detection step', but then the autodetect just fails again
[04:58] <sounix> hola
[04:58] <invisible_jim> anyone had problems compiling ide.ko (in <IP_ADDRESS>)?
[04:58] <farruinn> Amaranth: that'd be cool because I'm usually not online 24/7
[04:59] <qlo-xael> ok, well thanks for the help, i have to get offline so i can get on with my laptop
[04:59] <qlo-xael> thanks
[05:00] <stuNNed> will be an ubuntu hoary array 5?
[05:00] <stuNNed> will/will there
[05:00] <SiRrUs> stuNNed there is
[05:00] <SiRrUs> i am running it
[05:00] <stuNNed> array 5 already??
[05:00] <stuNNed> SiRrUs
[05:00] <stuNNed> ?
[05:00] <SiRrUs> came out wed
[05:00] <stuNNed> whoa thansk
[05:00] <stuNNed> thanks, SiRrUs you have url?
[05:00] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:01] <membreya> currently running gcc 3.3.5 but I'm getting ICE's...how do I upgrade to 3.4? :( tried synaptic but it still report 3.3.5
[05:01] <Vjaz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/
[05:01] <stuNNed> Vjaz: thanks!
[05:01] <Vjaz> That should be updated in the topic, by the way.
[05:01] <Vjaz> It's just 4->5
[05:01] <SiRrUs> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[05:01] <SiRrUs> there you go
[05:02] <delltony> when will ubuntu be taking orders for hoary cds?
[05:02] <britt_radiofree> so, typeahead in epiphany hasn't worked for me forever ... can anyone confirm having or not having this problem?
[05:02] <calamari> anyone happen to know if it might mess up the conducting pad if I were to take off my heatsink (intel p4 stock)?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: lots of firefox devotees here I suspect ;)
[05:03] <calamari> britt_radiofree: the folks in #kde are friendly and helpful. check 'em out
[05:04] <thoreauputic> calamari: er - epiphany is a gnome browser
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, surely someone uses ephy! :)
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> calamari, huh?
[05:04] <calamari> ok
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> calamari, the base gnome browser
[05:04] <calamari> anyone have an idea on that heatsink question? :)
[05:04] <calamari> thats what's mainly on my mind right now :)
[05:05] <SiRrUs> calamari sorry
[05:05] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: I used to use galeon until Havoc and co took it out of gnome, effectively - so I'm a little biased against epiphany ;)
[05:05] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: although it's a nice browser - I'm not trying to start a holy war ;-)
[05:06] <matt_1> i imagine you would impair the heat transfer if you took the heatsink off and put it back on, but to what degree i couldn't say
[05:06] <calamari> matt_l: oic.. thanks
[05:06] <hawke> calamari: He is correct
[05:06] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, yeah, there are obviously pros and cons to both ephy and ff, which have been discussed ad hom. :)
[05:06] <hawke> calamari: If you did that, it would be wise to put some thermal grease on.
[05:07] <hawke> calamari: (after removing any remaining pad)
[05:07] <calamari> it's weird.. just built this system, turn it on and I get nothing (except fans blowing).. no heat from the cpu heatsink, no beeps.. reset and power switches work.  that's about it
[05:07] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: the lack of configurability in epiph drives me nuts
[05:07] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, what does ff allow you to configure that ephy doesnt?
[05:08] <hams> how do i add a hostname/ip association?
[05:08] <Codyman> whats the hotkey to cycle resolutions again?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: if youu know a command to make it open tabs without popping in my face, I'm all ears
[05:08] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: with galeon you did galeon --no-raise -n
[05:09] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, don't get me wrong, when developing web apps I use ff for the extensions, but i personally prefer ephy for general browsing
[05:09] <thoreauputic> great for clicking links in mail and rss readers
[05:09] <britt_radiofree> i don't understand 'tabs popping in your face' ... what exactly is popping up?
[05:09] <matt_1> calamari: i have no idea about your experience, but putting any cables in backwards often stops the computer from POSTing even
[05:09] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: as I said, it's nice enough  - but  a lot of galeon's options are missing
[05:10] <hams> where can i download hoary?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: I like to open stuff from other apps in the bckground: afaik you can't do it with epiphany
[05:10] <calamari> matt_l: everything is keyed on this motherboard.. quite nice actually :)  I think I will pull off the usb connections I wired just in case tho
[05:11] <sigpi222> calamari: make sure you dont have a ground-out somewhere too
[05:11] <sigpi222> calamari: something touching that shouldnt be.
[05:11] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: I have to shunt the browser to another workspace to avoid it covering what I'm reading when it loads
[05:12] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, you mean you click 'open link in new window'?
[05:12] <calamari> matt_1, hawke, sigpi222: thanks for your help, even though this is pretty offtopic, I appreciate it :)
[05:13] <matt_1> np, good luck
[05:13] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: no, for example if I click an URL in an email. it pops up regardless of what options I enter (new tab or whatever)
[05:13] <hawke> calamari: Ooh, good point on the cables...
[05:14] <hawke> calamari: IDE particularly does that
[05:14] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, well that's a metacity thing
[05:14] <hawke> calamari: Also, try disconnecting all drives
[05:14] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, the fix is in, but everyone has to fix their apps, which hasn't been completed yet so it's not going to make 2.10
[05:14] <britt_radiofree> probably 2.12 though
[05:14] <calamari> hawke: I don't actually have any drives plugged in right now .. hehe
[05:14] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: no it isn't - with galeon you could do galeon --no-raise -n
[05:14] <hawke> calamari: I've seen where particular CD drives and hard drives didn't like to be t....nevermind then. :-)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: you could specify that in gconf or whatever
[05:15] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, that might have been a temp fix in galeon, but the proper solution is desktop-wide w/ metacity
[05:15] <britt_radiofree> it's not just a browser thing, for example gaim chats popping up and stealing focus while i'm typing an email
[05:16] <Codyman> xorg.conf is located in /etc/X11 right?  cause its it unusual that i don't have one...
[05:16] <aroman> what is the best way to upgrade firefox 0.9.3 to 1.0?
[05:16] <matt_1> maybe the motherboard manual will tell you what it means when the computer doesn't POST
[05:16] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: you see my irritation though? Gnome needs to have a *few* configurable options that don't require workarounds
[05:16] <sigpi222> aroman: apt-get
[05:16] <matt_1> the only other thing I can think of is that the RAM isn't pushed in all the way
[05:16] <farruinn> Codyman: you have hoary?
[05:16] <Codyman> yes
[05:17] <aroman> sigpi222, well, it's not in the apt-get repository... 0.9.3 is the latest
[05:17] <Mr_Milenko> anybody here care to help me setup ident2 >_<
[05:17] <hawke> metacity needs to have clicking in the window body not bring it to the front when focus-follows-mouse is on. :-)
[05:17] <Mr_Milenko> i cant get it to work for the life of me
[05:17] <farruinn> Codyman: and X is installed and configured?
[05:17] <sigpi222> aroman: you apt-get update?
[05:17] <Codyman> yes i'm using xchat right now in gnome
[05:17] <britt_radiofree> hawke, it used ot be that way ... lots of people complained and it eventually got changed
[05:17] <aroman> sigpi222, I think so.. hmm let me do it again
[05:18] <farruinn> aroman: ff 1.0 is in hoary
[05:18] <britt_radiofree> it used to be only alt-click body would bring to front i believe, but i'm not positive
[05:18] <hawke> BrianAnthony: Hmm...what's the point of ffm if clicking a window brings it to the front anyway?
[05:18] <hawke> er
[05:18] <hawke> britt_radiofree: rather
[05:18] <aroman> farruinn, ah
[05:18] <hams> what's the site for downloading hoary?
[05:18] <sigpi222> aroman: synaptic has 1.0-2 for me..
[05:18] <aroman> well ok, I ask you ppl... how stable is hoary at the current stage?
[05:19] <britt_radiofree> hawke, yeah it can be annoying ... hopefully you already have the widget in the background app focused :)
[05:19] <farruinn> hams: just s/warty/hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:19] <calamari> hmm.. maybe I should pull the ram out and try it then.. should at least beep or something, right?
[05:19] <hawke> britt_radiofree: exactly.  Completely defeats the usefulness of ffm.   :) I'd post to it as well
[05:20] <farruinn> although I think it needs to be updatead, array 5 is out
[05:20] <matt_1> i never had problems and never learned any of this in a structured way, so i'm just not very experienced with POSTing or motherboard problems
[05:21] <hawke> britt_radiofree: I would, if I didn't hate bugzilla. :-)
[05:21] <aroman> hams, hoary is not a full distro, like warty. It is just a bunch of debs... which are newer than warty debs
[05:21] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: heh - actually I use fluxbox a lot because it obeys my changes- changing gnome has become awkward. i know the reasons - i just find some things illogical
[05:21] <aroman> hams, like debian sid
[05:22] <hams> aroman, so there's no test install cd?
[05:22] <stuNNed> hawke: lol
[05:22] <farruinn> hams: there is a link in the topic
[05:23] <hams> it's not in the faq
[05:23] <farruinn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4
[05:23] <farruinn> just change that 4 to a 5
[05:23] <ions> have any of you had trouble with gnome-panel applets completely freezing gnome in Warty?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ions: yes
[05:24] <sigpi222> ions: my application bar, like the start menu, has disappeared.
[05:24] <ions> how did you fix it
[05:24] <ions> ?
[05:24] <hams> thanks
[05:24] <ions> this is a completely fresh install and gnome-panel is now unusable
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ions: try killall gnome-panel
[05:24] <ions> lasted all of 5 minutes
[05:24] <thoreauputic> it regenerates
[05:24] <ions> did that
[05:24] <aroman> is there a list with the current packages in hoary?
[05:25] <ions> I also did a kill -1
[05:25] <ions> it regenerates into it's previous useless form
[05:25] <thoreauputic> oh dear
[05:25] <farruinn> aroman: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ might be what you're looking for
[05:26] <thoreauputic> ions: hmm - well a bit drastic but you can try /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then try re-running from console
[05:26] <ions> I think cause the install is fresh it'll actually be faster to reinstall than fix
[05:26] <aroman> farruinn, thanks
[05:26] <sigpi222> i cant figure out what i've got set wrong w/ samba as to why my xp box wont see shares..
[05:27] <aroman> yuck... how come there's no mono-1.1 series in hoary? :S
[05:27] <membreya> had u added the samba user sigpi222 ?
[05:28] <invisible_jim> anyone know if i -need- to include ide and ext3 modules into a initrd.img in order to boot the corresponding kernel on an ide hdd with ext3 fs? or is there another way round?
[05:29] <hams> if i attach a external firewire hdd, how do i see if it was detected?
[05:30] <matt_1> does anybody know how much disk space the warty base install takes?
[05:30] <membreya> hams: dmesg
[05:31] <hams> membreya, are those just boot messages?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> matt_1: I think bob2 was saying 200MB for the base
[05:31] <invisible_jim> matt_1: with a 'custom' install (no X, very much just the base OS) it took 200-300mb for me.
[05:31] <bob2> the default is 1.8GB, tho
[05:32] <membreya> hams: yup
[05:32] <hams> membreya, can firewire devices be "hotplugged" ?
[05:32] <bob2> yes
[05:32] <matt_1> hmm- i don't even remember choosing an installation type. so i guess i'll see if I run out of space during the install...
[05:32] <hams> how can i see if it was detected?
[05:33] <bob2> hams: tail -f /var/log/messages
[05:33] <bob2> matt_1: if you didn't do some magic at the beginning, you'll get the default 1.8GB install
[05:34] <hams> bob2, nothin... can i force bus scan?
[05:34] <matt_1> ok
[05:34] <bob2> hams: that won't help
[05:34] <stuNNed> bob2: whoa, that was a quick lunch :P
[05:34] <bob2> does "dmesg" say anything at the bottom about it?
[05:35] <hams> bob2, it didn't have it turned on at boot
[05:35] <aroman> question: what happens if I try to install packages made FOR Debian under ubuntu?
[05:36] <farruinn> aroman: you run the risk of breaking your system
[05:36] <aroman> farruinn, okie...
[05:38] <invisible_jim> is there any way to boot a kernel on an ide, ext3 disk without having the relevant ide and ext3 modules within a corresponding initrd.img?
[05:38] <hams> ok, does anyone know how to prevent the 'md' driver from scan my RAID array? can i disable it?
[05:39] <bob2> hams: physically plugging and unplugging might work
[05:39] <bob2> invisible_jim: why don't you just use an ubuntu kernel?
[05:39] <bob2> aroman: why do you want to?
[05:40] <hams> bob2, ok, the /var/log/messages indicates it found something, is it now undeer /dev/ as???
[05:41] <invisible_jim> bob2: im wanting to build from the ubuntu source because i need to add netfilter support and make some optimisations.
[05:41] <aroman> bob2, mono 1.1.4 but nm now.. compiling manually
[05:42] <bob2> invisible_jim: the ubuntu kernels include all mainline netfilter modules
[05:43] <bob2> and are "optimised" in whatever way you mean
[05:43] <bob2> but meh
[05:43] <bob2> use the ubuntu config and source and patch if you insist
[05:43] <hams> does Warty support reading MacOS Extended partition types?
[05:43] <Codyman> what card should I selelect (vesa, vga, etc) for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for my PCI ATI 9200
[05:44] <bob2> hams: yes
[05:44] <bob2> hams: it may be under /dev
[05:44] <bob2> hams: what sort of device is it?
[05:44] <bob2> Codyman: radeon
[05:44] <hams> bob2, what is the type string for that?
[05:44] <invisible_jim> bob2: so ill need to just load the modules as i need them, i meant optimised as in removing support for hardware that i dont have and configuring proccessor optimisations
[05:44] <farruinn> hams: you'll probably have to 'modprobe hfsplus' before you can mount it
[05:45] <bob2> invisible_jim: well, no support is included for things youdon't use in the ubuntu ones, anyway.  and they're optimised for specific cpus.
[05:45] <invisible_jim> bob2: im using linux-source from the ubuntu apt url, <IP_ADDRESS> -- same as my current kernel
[05:45] <bob2> invisible_jim: but if you realy think it will help, at least start with the ubuntu kernel source and config and change only thing things you care about
[05:45] <bob2> invisible_jim: custom compiling a kernel with modular IDE is kinda silly, tho
[05:45] <farruinn> hams: or just 'sudo echo hfsplus >> /etc/modules'
[05:46] <Codyman> bob2: ok.. how can i find what the video card's identifier is?
[05:46] <bob2> Codyman: are you on i386?
[05:46] <Codyman> yes
[05:46] <bob2> then leave it blank
[05:47] <hams> if the drive has multiple partitions, do i need to mount each one or what happens if i just mount /dev/sdd ?
[05:47] <invisible_jim> bob2: i know, but the kernel fails to boot, i get: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)
[05:47] <invisible_jim> bob2: thats with all ide stuff and ext3 code compiled in the kernel.
[05:47] <snowblink> invisible_jim: ext3 needs initrd I believe
[05:48] <bob2> hams: you need to mount each one
[05:48] <bob2> stuNNed: no, it doesn't
[05:48] <bob2> er, snowblink
[05:48] <bob2> invisible_jim: well, you forgot something in there.  go and again, carefully.
[05:49] <bob2> (dn't mean to be harsh, but it's extremely unlikely to be anything other than a config error)
[05:50] <snowblink> bob2: if you have ext3 as a module you need to?
[05:50] <invisible_jim> snowblink: that would be fine, ive been going down that route so far. but i hit a brick wall when ide.ko and ide-mod.ko fail to compile (in order for me to add them to initrd.img)
[05:50] <hams> bob2, i tried this: sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdd2 /mnt and it seems to mount, but if cd /mnt it says permission denied
[05:51] <bob2> snowblink: right
[05:51] <bob2> snowblink: but invisible_jim is buliding it in
[05:51] <snowblink> bob2: got ya
[05:51] <farruinn> hams: you might want to add a line to your /etc/fstab with the users option
[05:51] <bob2> hams: you probably need "-p umask=002"
[05:51] <bob2> er, -o
[05:52] <Amaranth> farruinn: I finished the bot. :)
[05:53] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  For a few days now in hoary I've been having a problem with HAL.  When I boot up it takes a minute or two after getting into GNOME for HAL to see all my devices.  (For example, Device Manager's list grows slowly and NetworkManager doesn't see my card for a while.)
[05:53] <bob2> heh, I'd just be glad networkmanager isn't randomly crashing on you ;)
[05:54] <farruinn> Amaranth: cool, what's its nick?
[05:54] <Amaranth> hang on
[05:54] <ficusplanet> bob2: Yeah, I do love NetworkManager.  It has made life very easy and has been perfectly stable for me.
[05:54] <bob2> hm, cool
[05:54] <hams> faruinn, ok that did it! :) but hfsplus still doesn't seem to let me read MacOS Extended ...
[05:55] <Amaranth> farruinn: That one. :)
[05:55] <bob2> hams: isn't "macos extended" the partition table type?
[05:55] <farruinn> huh, something about the name gave it away :D
[05:55] <SiRrUs> Amaranth what does it do?
[05:55] <invisible_jim> bob2: on my first tries i made sure to build in ide, ide-mod, piix, ide-core, ide-generic, ide-disk and ext3 -- and i get 'Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)' -- i know i must be missing something, but after my 7th try ill be damned if i know what.
[05:55] <sigpi222> Amaranth:  you sure thats a bot? ;)
[05:55] <bob2> invisible_jim: well, I don't know your hardware, so I can't guess
[05:55] <hams> bob2, what i use macos extended in the /etc/fstab?
[05:56] <bob2> hams: ?
[05:56] <Amaranth> farruinn: "+tell foo about something" will PM the user about message, "+something" will tell the channel, "+learn something is some info" will make the bot learn an entry
[05:56] <bob2> I think you're a bit confused about what you're trying to do
[05:56] <invisible_jim> bob2: thanks for your help, youve cleared some stuff up for me.
[05:56] <bob2> you don't mount disks, you mount partitions
[05:56] <bob2> invisible_jim: just have to keep going over it until it jumps out at you
[05:57] <Bandit> hmmm Amaranth is it a smart one
[05:57] <hams> bob2, for the mount command what type do i use?
[05:57] <Amaranth> farruinn: Perhaps you could stuff it full of common things?
[05:57] <g> ia getting this message dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:57] <bob2> hams: hfsplus
[05:57] <g> and i do not know how to solve it
[05:57] <bob2> hams: I guess
[05:57] <bob2> hams: the line you ave before should work
[05:57] <bob2> g: did you run that command?
[05:58] <g> it is my second day with unbutu
[05:58] <g> yes
[05:58] <g> yes
[05:58] <hams> bob2, hmm... doesn't seem to work. it mounts, but not as the correct file system type
[05:58] <Bandit> Bandit> ubuntu
 Bandit "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world.
[05:58] <Bandit> now theres a smart bot ;)
[05:58] <bob2> hams: I don't know what that means
[05:59] <bronson> "ulimit -n" shows 1024 maximum open FDs for processes on my system.
[05:59] <Amaranth> Bandit: Just a simple info bot. Only about 150 lines of code.
[05:59] <bronson> Anyone know how to boost that?
[05:59] <bronson> (not for root; for regular users?)
[05:59] <hams> bob2, i macos extended disk can mount as a plain old HFS type disk which has a single file that tells you the drive was mounted as HFS,
[05:59] <bronson> ulimit -n 50000 works fine for root.
[05:59] <bob2> bronson: /etc/security/limits.conf
[06:00] <bob2> hams: is "macos extended" a filesystem or partition type?
[06:00] <hams> that's what i'm getting.
[06:00] <bob2> hams: is it the same as HFS+?
[06:00] <bronson> bob2: thanks.
[06:00] <hams> bob2, i dunno... can't remember
[06:00] <farruinn> I'm pretty sure it is
[06:00] <farruinn> macos extended = hfs+
[06:00] <Amaranth> farruinn: Chaning something real quick with the bot, it'll brb.
[06:01] <bob2> ok
[06:02] <bronson> bob2: do I need to reboot?
[06:02] <stuNNed> thoreauputic: use galeon here, back again! :D
[06:03] <stuNNed> thoreauputic: eh, a little late, sorry
[06:03] <farruinn> hams: this hfs+ partition doesn't have OS X on it does it?
[06:03] <Underlord> i have ubuntu installed on my x86 box which has 2 usb 1.10 root hubs (each with 2 ports) and one root usb 2.0 hub (which also includes a 1.10 for compat), if i connect a usb mass storage device when i first turn on the pc it mounts fine off /dev/sda1 and everything is wonderfull, often i can reconnect the device again, but after the pc's been on for a while and the mass storage device has been used before it seems to sto
[06:03] <Underlord> p functioning all together, regardless of which hub i connect the device to, it appears ubuntu's kernel has stopped taking notice and isnt linking /dev/sd?? to the usb device anymore, what could be the problem/
[06:04] <Underlord> sorry for long message
[06:04] <hams> farruin, not a system install, but it was created under osx
[06:04] <Amaranth> +test3
[06:04] <Amaranth> bleh
[06:05] <bronson> Underlord: what do your kernel messages say when you plug/unplug?
[06:05] <farruinn> hams: what's happened to me is every file I touch in linux has its owner:group changed to numbers which has to be fixed if you want to use the partition with OS X
[06:05] <bob2> bronson: don't think so
[06:05] <bob2> bronson: logging out and in again should be enough
[06:05] <Amaranth> +test3
[06:05] <UbuntuBot> test3 is w00t!
[06:05] <bronson> Hm.  Must be something else setting it on my system then...  I can't get it to take hold.
[06:06] <Amaranth> all fixed
[06:06] <Amaranth> farruinn: Have fun. :)
[06:06] <farruinn> :D
[06:06] <Underlord> bronson, kernel messages? how do i find out?
[06:06] <bob2> erk
[06:06] <Amaranth> farruinn: Try +tell again.
[06:06] <bob2> please make sure that bot won't flood the channel
[06:06] <bronson> Underlord: look at /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages.
[06:06] <Amaranth> bob2: I have a +ban command.
[06:06] <Amaranth> bob2: Want access to it?
[06:07] <bob2> Amaranth: what does that do?
[06:07] <farruinn> +tell farruinn test3
[06:07] <Amaranth> bob2: Makes the bot ignore that a user. +ban farruinn, for example
[06:07] <bob2> ah
[06:07] <Amaranth> farruinn: +tell farruinn about test3
[06:07] <bob2> hm, that might be handy
[06:07] <bronson> Underlord: or run dmesg.  Running tail -f on those /var files and then plugging might help too.
[06:08] <Amaranth> bob2: I figured it would be good for telling people about root and networkmanager and such.
[06:09] <Underlord> bronson, nothing reported from syslog, i slas try the other...
[06:09] <Amaranth> farruinn: that ubuntu guide one is going to come out funny
[06:09] <bronson> Means the kernel didn't see it.
[06:09] <bronson> Underlord: you might want to run usbview too.  It can be handy.
[06:09] <hams> farruinn: ok it worked. is /etc/fstab only read at boot?
[06:09] <Amaranth> farruinn: No it won't, I'm stupid. :P
[06:09] <Underlord> i tried, seems ubuntu doesnt include usbview
[06:10] <bronson> Underlord: apt-cache search usbview
[06:10] <bronson> Sure it doesn.
[06:10] <farruinn> hams: there's an option used with mount I think that remounts stuff in fstab, but I don't remember what it is
[06:10] <hawke> what is usbview?
[06:10] <bronson> hawke: run it and see.  :)
[06:10] <bronson> Just shows attached usb devices.
[06:10] <Underlord> ahh, ill install...
[06:11] <hawke> bronson: similar to lsusb?
[06:11] <bronson> hawke: in GTK.
[06:11] <hawke> bronson: ah, thx.
[06:11] <hams> ok, how can i remove or disable the 'md' driver/module from running on boot?
[06:12] <bronson> hams: delete it.  works for me.  ;)
[06:12] <Underlord> grrr, my gnome installation is screwed up
[06:12] <bronson> I don't know the correct way of doing it...
[06:12] <hams> bronson, it's not in /etc/modules it's built into the kernel
[06:13] <bronson> hams: oh.  you get to rebuild the kernel then.
[06:13] <Codyman> does ubuntu hoary support NTFS partitions (reading)?
[06:13] <bronson> hams: you mean /lib/modules ?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Codyman: reading, yes
[06:13] <Codyman> thoreau: how can i enable it
[06:14] <hams> bronson, no.. but i don't really want to remove it, just turn it off.
[06:14] <thoreauputic> Ihvae this in /etc/fstab , Codyman
[06:14] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=peter,gid=peter
[06:14] <thoreauputic>  0 0
[06:15] <Codyman> gracias
[06:15] <thoreauputic> peter being my user name
[06:15] <hawke> hams: I don't think there is a way
[06:15] <thoreauputic> yocan use uid numbers instead I guess
[06:16] <hawke> thoreauputic: you can
[06:16] <hams> hawke, that's crazy... no config or control file?
[06:16] <farruinn> hams: maybe in the initrd
[06:16] <hawke> hams: /etc/raidtab, maybe...
[06:17] <hawke> hams: But the autodetect just happens, as far as I know
[06:17] <hawke> hams: the bit of googling i've done has turned up nothing.
[06:17] <bronson> hams: why do you want to turn it off?
[06:17] <hams> bronson, cuz i don't want it to mess with the array, it's my windows install
[06:18] <hams> farruinn, the initrd has a control file?
[06:19] <farruinn> no, but there is a file in the image called loadmodules
[06:20] <hams> farruinn, is there a way to see what is in it?
[06:21] <hawke> hams: Look around in /usr/share/initrd-tools
[06:21] <hawke> hams: assuming you use mkinitrd to make your initrd
[06:21] <farruinn> yeah, but it's rather complex, this is an example: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[06:22] <farruinn> that of course doesn't outline exactly what you want, but it gives you a sort of broad picture
[06:27] <W3BMAST3R101> Yo. In ubuntu do you have to update config files manually or are they automatic?
[06:27] <W3BMAST3R101> **err or do they automatically update?
[06:27] <bob2> depends what you want to do
[06:27] <W3BMAST3R101> what choices are there?
[06:27] <hams> i get an error from mount, no device /dev/loop#
[06:28] <bob2> hams: modprobe loop
[06:28] <bob2> W3BMAST3R101: what are you asking?
[06:28] <bob2> do you mean "Does Ubuntu use GUI tools to configure every possible program?"?
[06:29] <W3BMAST3R101> bob2: if you upgrade your system to the latest and greatest ubuntu does it also upgrade your config files
[06:29] <bob2> yes, it does
[06:29] <hams> bob2, thanks.
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:29] <W3BMAST3R101> *joy*
[06:29] <hams> hmm... no 'md' in the loadmodules file.
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?