[23:16] <roaksoax> ybaumy: yeah, we dont have access to a 6.5 unfortunately, we have only enabled vmware against 5.x
[23:16] <ybaumy> roaksoax: would it help you if you would get access to a system with that version?
[23:19] <roaksoax> ybaumy: it would yes, but we would have to schedule time to address it
[23:20] <ybaumy> roaksoax: i would need to setup a user and stuff for you on my vpn but then i could give you the chance to take a look at it. would you like that?
[23:21] <ybaumy> roaksoax: it doesnt have to be today .. or this weekend since im also busy. but we could do that next week or in 2 for example
[23:27] <roaksoax> ybaumy: lets target 2 weeks from now
[23:28] <ybaumy> roaksoax: ok. in which timezone are you located?
[23:29] <ybaumy> roaksoax: i am in CEST
[23:33] <ybaumy> roaksoax: ok will be around in 2 weeks and drop you my email then. whoever wants the login should get in contact with me
[23:37] <ybaumy> well im off .. have to be at work in 5 hours. see ya
[23:38] <roaksoax> sounds good
[23:38] <roaksoax> thanks


[19:58] <weoiru_jo> Hello there! Simple question: when I try to branch rabbitmq from bazzar, like sudo bzr branch lp:charms/rabbitmq rabbitmq
[19:58] <weoiru_jo> always get: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/charms/rabbitmq": no supported schemes
[19:58] <weoiru_jo> (
[20:00] <rick_h_> weoiru_jo: you need the series in there. How about bzr branch lp:charms/precise/rabbitmq ?
[20:00] <rick_h_> oops, not it either, sec
[20:03] <rick_h_> weoiru_jo: bzr branch lp:~charmers/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/trunk
[20:04] <weoiru_jo> well, from this wonderful page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure  it clearly says that there is rabbitmq-server and there is rabbitmq like in separate step, so im confused
[20:06] <rick_h_> yea that is confusing how it does it both ways. I'm not sure if that's a bug in the docs or if I just don't know the short way here.
[20:07] <weoiru_jo> i c, thanks mil!
[20:08] <weoiru_jo> what about adding relationship between nova-compute and rabbitmq - it alwasy fails for me complaining on ambiguousity of some sort
[20:09] <weoiru_jo> this particular line: juju add-relation nova-compute rabbitmq-server
[20:10] <rick_h_> weoiru_jo: looking, normally it's because they support multiple relations and you need to specify the interface as well
[20:11] <rick_h_> looks like they both can do either amqp or nova-compute:nrpe-external-master - rabbitmq-server:nrpe-external-master
[20:11] <rick_h_> so you have to specify the amqp bit in the command
[20:12] <weoiru_jo> and pardon my newbe-ness, how can i do that?
[20:12] <rick_h_> weoiru_jo: so try juju add-relation nova-compute:amqp rabbitmq-server
[20:13] <rick_h_> I work on the GUI so I know how to drag the line and need a cli refresher :)
[20:14] <weoiru_jo> a miracle, it works!!!
[20:14] <weoiru_jo> thanks a lot rick!!
[20:14] <weoiru_jo> (i spent couple of days now trying to figure things out)
[20:15] <rick_h_> weoiru_jo: yea, don't bang your head on a wall that hard. We're happy to help.
[20:15] <rick_h_> there's notes in https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-relations.html#creating-relations
[20:15] <rick_h_> that demo taht use case with mediawiki:db to mysql
[20:17] <weoiru_jo> i was blindly trusting ubnutucloudinfrastructure  web page, checked it was updated mid april - so i couldn't believe it contains wrong info, so it felt like maybe i do something wrong
[20:22] <rick_h_> wendar: yea sorry, I'm not as familiar with that doc. I tend to use the juju docs
[20:22] <rick_h_> oops
[20:22] <rick_h_> sorry, bad tab complete. He left the room
[20:27] <jose> happens to everyone!


[01:42] <aprilg1> Muscovy: you around?
[02:08] <Muscovy> aprilg: Around now.
[02:09] <Muscovy> aprilg: The branch isn't dead, don't worry.
[02:09] <aprilg> oh.. ok
[02:09] <Muscovy> There's just weird history.
[02:10] <aprilg> i couldnt access it earlier tho
[02:10] <aprilg> must be a problem with launchpad
[02:10] <Muscovy> For a good 2 hours or so bazaar stuff was semi-down.
[02:11] <aprilg> re the history, can we change that back?
[02:11] <Muscovy> No, but as far as I can tell, other than my lost credit, nothing disappeared.
[02:12] <Muscovy> Note that lp:~loonycookie/ubuntu-tour/april is a sort of side branch. Changes you commit to it don't show up in the main one. Good for unstable testing, but it looks like you were just syncing the pair.
[02:13] <Muscovy> No problems with it, but your bzr life would be easier without doing that. ;D
[02:13] <aprilg> :) i push my stuff first on my own branch just to check if all of it works. hihihi
[02:13] <Muscovy> By the way, thanks for getting us the domain. :D
[02:14] <aprilg> not a problem :) glad to be of help
[02:17] <Omega> Going on the road for a while
[03:00] <Omega> Anyone here?
[03:02] <Muscovy> Me.
[03:04] <Omega> Have you ever used Ubuntu One?
[03:04] <Muscovy> Yep. :D
[03:04] <Muscovy> Used it since 9.04.
[03:05] <Omega> Have you shared something and used the short urls?
[03:05] <Omega> In what form are they?
[03:05] <Muscovy> A few times. They're something like one.ubuntu.com/ekehtu
[03:05] <Muscovy> Basically tinurl-style.
[03:05] <Omega> -Ah
[03:05] <Muscovy> tinyurl*
[03:06] <Omega> Can you right click on any file and share it with Ubuntu One?
[03:07] <Omega> I ask, because I don't have Ubuntu One installed
[03:07] <Muscovy> I only used the right-click thing once, and it emailed something or other.
[03:07] <Muscovy> It was a while ago, I'm sure it's changed.
[03:08] <Omega> Well, what options does it give?
[03:09] <Omega> I don't know if what I am asking for is an actual feature.
[03:09] <Muscovy> Something like http://ubuntuone.com/p/ExB/ from the desktop?
[03:11] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[03:11] <Muscovy> It seems they removed the "Share this file" option.
[03:13] <Muscovy> If you're wondering just about the shrunken URL thing, it's done from the U1 web page. There's an expand arrow by the files which will show the option.
[03:13] <Omega> I wanted to suggest a feature.
[03:13] <Omega> I'll paste it here.
[03:15] <Omega> http://fpaste.org/Ik3Y/
[03:16] <Muscovy> Oh, do you use Fedora?
[03:16] <Omega> Nope.
[03:16] <Omega> I just like their pasting thing.
[03:16] <Omega> I'm on Mint right now.
[03:17] <Omega> I'm going back to Ubuntu for 10.10
[03:17] <Omega> But my heart is with Ubuntu.
[03:17] <Muscovy> I treat other distros as holiday partitions.
[03:17] <Muscovy> Fedora and Suse I quite like too, but the Ubutnu artwork I love the most.
[03:17] <Muscovy> Anyways.
[03:17] <Muscovy> Dynamic DNS sounds neat.
[03:18] <Muscovy> My friend and I run our VNCs like that through subdomains already, but making this easy for people would be awesome.
[03:19] <Muscovy> By the "server with Ubuntu One" part, do you mean sync individual files, or just do a static upload?
[03:19] <Muscovy> As of 10.04, U1 can sync custom folders.
[03:33] <Omega> Sorry was eating
[03:34] <Omega> Have you used Opera Unite?
[03:34] <Omega> Like that
[03:34] <Omega> It does dynamic dns and has a built in web server
[03:35] <Omega> And I don't mean synch with U1, but let your friend download it straight from your PC, with no middle-man.
[03:40] <Muscovy> Never heard of Opera Unite.
[03:40] <Muscovy> So basically you mean a really friendly webserver?
[03:40] <Omega> It's built into Opera
[03:40] <Omega> Well, have to go again
[03:50] <Muscovy> You know, you've got me interested with that.
[03:50] <Muscovy> Portions of it would be fairly easy.
[03:50] <Muscovy> Big issue would be the firewall stuff, I have no idea how to automate port setup.
[03:58] <Muscovy> Theoretically it would be easy to add nautilus rightclick entries that make and break symlinks, for a start.
[16:58] <Omega> Hey Muscovy
[17:20] <Muscovy> Hello Omega.
[17:20] <Muscovy> One of the little nuisances of Gnome 3 is you miss IRC alerts.
[17:21] <Omega> Haha.
[17:21] <Omega> I never have IRC alerts :P
[17:21]  * Omega uses irssi
[17:21] <Omega> Muscovy: http://hazetornado.omegalulz.operaunite.com/webserver/content/
[17:21] <Muscovy> Neat.
[17:22] <Muscovy> Does it actually set up the firewall stuff?
[17:22] <Omega> I haven't seen their new stuffs easy, you just point it to a folder and it serves it.
[17:22] <Omega> Yep.
[17:23] <Muscovy> ...well, I had no idea things could set up ports.
[17:23] <Muscovy> That's cool.
[17:29] <Omega> The problem I'm facing is that I'm not sure if I should suggest this.
[17:29] <Omega> It would kind of steal Opera Unite's thunder.
[17:30] <Omega> I could just start with only suggesting the Dynamic DNS thing.
[17:31] <Muscovy> Maybe that would be best, since dynamic DNS is the core part.
[17:31] <Omega> Mhm.
[17:31] <Muscovy> And you could still do lots of cool things like easy VNCing.
[17:31] <Omega> Yeah
[17:32] <Muscovy> I'll be back in a sec, moving to Maverick.
[17:32] <Omega> k.
[17:40] <Omega> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/06/16/thoughts-on-opera-unite/
[17:54] <Omega> Muscovy: ^
[17:54] <Muscovy> Read it, I was just thinking.
[17:55] <Muscovy> Interestingly, the DNS part would be pretty easy to set up through even a wget'd PHP file or something.
[17:56] <Muscovy> The big problem would be setting up the router.
[17:57] <Muscovy> I think, at least.
[17:58] <Omega> Hmm.
[17:58] <Omega> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25714/
[17:58] <Omega> Submitted there
[18:01] <Muscovy> I've got an idea sitting at #2 on brainstorm currently. :D
[18:03] <Omega> ohttp://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25714/:
[18:03] <Omega> O:
[18:04] <Omega> Which one :>
[18:05] <Muscovy> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25685/
[18:07] <Muscovy> What exactly do you mean in idea 1?
[18:27] <Omega> Muscovy: Idea 1 isn't mine
[18:27] <Omega> I'm Timothy
[18:29] <Muscovy> Right.
[22:14] <Muscovy> http://openetherpad.org/mb6199EFXu is the message to send to the OMG! team.
[22:14] <Muscovy> Comment/edit.
[22:17] <Omega> Will do


[05:59] <Kilos> hi philipballew  all boot by you?
[05:59] <Kilos> good
[06:00] <philipballew> Kilos, yeah. All seems good. just up late working on homework for college.
[06:00] <Kilos> good
[06:00] <philipballew> Kilos, how abut yourself?
[06:01] <Kilos> im fine too ty.
[07:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:39] <Kilos> hi qwebirc2013
[07:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[07:40] <Kilos> elacheche_anis  good morning
[07:41] <Kilos> ai!
[08:16] <elacheche> mornign Kilos
[08:17] <elacheche> spotty_, help
[08:17] <spotty_> elacheche: I can help you with: administrative functions, bot accounts and permissions, debugging me, looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[08:17] <spotty_> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[08:17] <Kilos> hehe
[08:17] <elacheche> spotty_, help me with delivering messages
[08:17] <spotty_> elacheche: I use the following features for delivering messages: memo, remind and summon
[08:17] <spotty_> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[08:17] <elacheche> how do I read a message -_-
[08:18] <Kilos> spotty_  how do i use delivering messages
[08:18] <spotty_> Kilos: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[08:18] <Kilos> spotty_  what can i do with delivering messages
[08:18] <spotty_> Kilos: Not a clue, sorry
[08:18] <Kilos> grrr
[08:18] <Kilos> elacheche  what do you want to do
[08:19] <Kilos> spotty_  what can you do woth delivering messages
[08:19] <spotty_> Kilos: I'm afraid I have no idea
[08:19] <Kilos> grrr
[08:19] <Kilos> elacheche  use tell nick message
[08:20] <elacheche> actually someone used that command to send me a message x) I need to read it x)
[08:20] <Kilos> then it should ping you and give the message
[08:20] <Kilos> check if if didnt open a pm
[08:20] <Kilos> just say yes
[08:21] <elacheche> he's trolling me x)
[08:22] <Kilos> wb
[08:22] <Kilos> who is trolling you?
[08:22] <elacheche> spotty_, x)
[08:22] <spotty_> elacheche: Excuse me?
[08:22] <Kilos> no man
[08:23] <Kilos> when you log in you should get the message that someone left you a message do you want to read it
[08:23] <Kilos> just say yes
[08:23] <elacheche> ok
[08:26] <Kilos> spotty_  tell neo31 Its about time you showed you face here again sir
[08:26] <spotty_> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell Neo31 on freenode
[08:57] <elacheche> utn is in the list now → https://aful.org/gul/liste#afrique
[08:59] <Kilos> ok
[09:00] <Kilos> in all those lugs must be many ubuntu users that can join us
[09:00] <Kilos> someone came here from the sites irc engine
[09:00] <Kilos> when i greeted in english he left
[09:01] <Kilos> sigh
[09:02] <Kilos> anyone that joins with a qwebirc nick is using the sites embedded irc tool
[15:32] <Kilos> hi pipedream
[15:32] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[15:33] <Kilos> pipedream  hi
[15:34] <pipedream> Kilos: hi
[17:08] <Kilos> QA  hi
[17:08] <QA> hello
[17:20] <Kilos> elacheche  QA is here, she will log our meetings and make you coffee
[17:20] <elacheche> QA make me coffee :D
[17:20] <QA> elacheche: What?
[17:21] <elacheche> QA, help
[17:21] <QA> elacheche: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:21] <QA> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:21] <Kilos> QA  coffee on
[17:21]  * QA flips the salt-timer
[17:21] <Kilos> elacheche  you type in QA coffee please
[17:22] <elacheche> QA, coffee please
[17:22] <QA> elacheche: Okay
[17:23] <Kilos> QA  start meeting
[17:23] <QA> Kilos: Just do it yourself
[17:23] <Kilos> ai!
[17:24] <Kilos> inetpro  will need to chair
[17:25] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and elacheche!
[17:25] <Kilos> QA  thanks
[17:25] <QA> Kilos: my pleasure
[17:34] <inetpro> uh
[17:35] <inetpro> Kilos: not so quick man
[17:35] <Kilos> still a while before first meeting
[17:35]  * inetpro still needs to do some work in order to make it do proper logging etal
[17:35] <Kilos> you have time
[17:35] <inetpro> thank you kindly
[17:36] <Kilos> my pleasure
[17:36] <Kilos> hehe
[17:36] <Kilos> i think neo still has 2 weeks on his project
[17:52]  * QA itching to make coffee
[17:53] <Kilos> QA  coffee on
[17:53]  * QA flips the salt-timer
[17:57] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:57] <Kilos> QA  ty
[17:57] <QA> Only a pleasure Kilos
[20:21] <elacheche_anis> Kilos,
[20:21] <elacheche_anis> You're here?
[20:22] <lunapersa> hi elacheche_anis
[20:22] <elacheche_anis> Kilos, please welcome lunapersa.. My beloved fiancee and the 1st Tunisian Girl as an Ubuntu Member :)
[20:23] <lunapersa> :)
[20:23] <Kilos> lunapersa  welcome to ubuntu-africa
[20:23] <elacheche_anis> lunapersa, say hi to Kilos #ubuntu-za member, ubuntu member and the initiator of #ubuntu-africa
[20:23] <lunapersa> Hi Kilos
[20:24] <Kilos> very nice to have a lady join us
[20:24] <elacheche_anis> Kilos, you should tell melodie about this special event x) she was looking for ladies too x)
[20:25] <Kilos> yes i will. i dont know why she is so late tonight
[20:25] <Kilos> i will go look for her
[20:26] <Kilos> she seems offline all over atm. but make this your favourite channel lunapersa  and you will meet her
[20:26] <Kilos> she speaks french too
[20:27] <lunapersa> ok
[20:28] <elacheche_anis> :)
[20:28] <Kilos> well done elacheche_anis
[20:29] <elacheche_anis> :D
[20:30] <Kilos> melodie  wb and speak to lunapersa
[20:30] <lunapersa> hi melodie
[20:30] <Kilos> she can speak french too i think
[20:30] <lunapersa> oui
[20:31] <lunapersa> Je parle aussi  le français
[20:31] <Kilos> she is most likely saying hi all over
[20:32] <elacheche_anis> Hello melodie :)  please welcome lunapersa.. My beloved fiancee and the 1st Tunisian Girl as an Ubuntu Member :)
[20:32] <elacheche_anis> :D
[20:32] <lunapersa> elacheche_anis,  :p
[20:32] <elacheche_anis> :D
[20:33] <Kilos> be patient, she will arrive
[20:33] <Kilos> hehe
[20:33] <lunapersa> :D
[20:33] <melodie> hi!
[20:33] <melodie> salut lunapersa elacheche hello here Kilos
[20:34] <lunapersa> Salut melodie  :)
[20:35] <melodie> Kilos this is for your Bento: http://pastebin.fr/39413
[20:35] <melodie> enjoy!
[20:35] <Kilos> ty melodie
[20:36] <melodie> and I have had a post from my older tester on this style of Openbox remix, he says it works a treat!
[20:36] <melodie> I show you:
[20:36] <Kilos> i will install them tomorrow
[20:37] <Kilos> you arrive at bed time
[20:37] <melodie> http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php/topic,701.msg4046.html#msg4046
[20:37] <Kilos> naughty girl
[20:37] <melodie> Kilos copy the list
[20:37] <melodie> it'll be gone tomorrow
[20:37] <Kilos> ok
[20:40] <Kilos> melodie  what will be gone tomorrow. the pastebin link only hey
[20:41] <melodie> the content too
[20:41] <melodie> just copy the content to your favorite text editor
[20:42] <Kilos> the content of the pastebin or the other link too


[01:46] <guiverc> i did a qa-test install of disco (xubu i386); on shutdown/reboot I saw 18.10 appear which I think came from `plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text` - do you want me to note/report or just ignore (forget about it)
[01:46] <Unit193> That's from xubuntu-artwork, and yeah you can ignore that for now.
[01:46] <Unit193> (Thanks for checking!)
[01:47] <guiverc> :)   is mentioned in my qa-test comments; will add package to those notes..  thanks Unit193
[01:48] <Unit193> plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text is the binary package, fwiw.
[01:49] <guiverc> i didn't chase down where the text was .. that was the package I stopped at (blamed rightly or wrongly)
[01:49] <guiverc> thanks Unit193
[01:50] <Unit193> Hah, that's fine.  I just happen to know so figured I may as well state it. :)
[01:52] <Unit193> FYI: I've already sync'd a few packages, thunar-volman and xfce4-appfinder should have notable changes.
[01:54] <guiverc> :)
[03:47] <guiverc> fyi: Unit193 i played with thunar-volman (0.9.0-1) having no issues (paplay as command on adding thigns like keyboard)
[03:50] <Unit193> \o/
[03:52] <guiverc> app.finder - clearing custom command history - no idea why people would want that, but ...   what does it clear; my ~/.bash_history wasn't emptied?
[03:53] <guiverc> is it clearing the whisker.menu?
[03:54] <Unit193> That'd be your entries for what to launch in xfce4-appfinder
[03:54] <guiverc> okay thanks.. will continue to play :)
[03:56] <guiverc> (now I see's it  (left tab, 3rd from top) - I'm very !observant
[03:57] <Unit193> appfinder also doubles as xfrun4, I only use it as the latter.
[04:01] <guiverc> the 'sngle window' is VERY VERY useful !!  (without it I can fill my..)
[12:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: if I set up the first meeting for the cycle - can you take things from the pad and add them as items
[12:38] <bluesabre> flocculant: certainly
[12:39] <flocculant> then perhaps we can see what the thoughts are on them - and if we get an ouroboros on any take them to m/l otherwise just vote and get on with them?
[12:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: and Friday night best for you? In which case it won't be next Friday as I have a concert to go to ...
[12:40] <flocculant> also if I did 24th gives people time to visit the pad to see any comments made there
[12:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: Friday should be fine, or the 24th
[13:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: my bad - I meant the 23rd, next Friday I'm out :)
[13:01] <flocculant> Friday evening seems to get more people
[13:01] <bluesabre> 23rd is also A-OK
[13:01] <flocculant> we even get slickymaster coming then - to see he's next up so he can forget again :p
[13:02] <flocculant> okey doke - I'll set that up for then later today
[13:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: much appreciated
[13:33] <flocculant> knome: hah - forgot I'd unsubscribed from users list ... can you let the meeting mail through there for me :p
[13:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: all done anyway - apart from that ...
[13:45] <flocculant> cya later
[14:47] <flocculant> thanks whoever did that :)
[14:53] <Unit193> Sure.


 I have not left anything feature-freeze-related unfinished
[08:52] <duflu> Oops, I was wrong. Forgot to tag this card: https://trello.com/c/zMI9VtvG
[08:53] <duflu> seb128, since ^^ is a regression, but a visual one, is it affected by feature freeze?
[08:54] <seb128> duflu, no, first it would be UIf and not FF, and bugfixes don't need exceptions
[08:54] <seb128> so you have time :)
[08:54] <duflu> Good, and bad (still a bug to fix)
[08:55] <seb128> right
[08:56] <seb128> duflu, if we were to add a warning to gnome-control-center when the synaptic driver is installed (which we should), that would be a feature ... unsure if you wanted to have a go to that, I don't think anyone signed up to work on that yet
[08:56] <willcooke> morning
[08:57] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[08:57] <duflu> seb128, I saw it but think it would be OK (not ideal) if nothing was done. Not sure, but I might look at it some day soon
[08:57] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:57] <seb128> duflu, it would be nicer if we had the warning but yeah it's not the end of the world if we don't, it's just going to confuse some users and they can still use their system it's only touchpad controls missing
[08:57] <duflu> seb128, more of a "feature" would be uninstalling synaptics
[08:58] <willcooke> jamesh, Do you understand this comment?  https://plus.google.com/u/0/+WillCooke/posts/6BaJLzohz9u?cfem=1
[08:58] <seb128> right
[08:58]  * jamesh looks
[08:58] <willcooke> jamesh,  Seems like he's looking for a way to override app icons with a theme.  That seems like something we can care about another day
[08:58] <duflu> On that topic, discussing with Peter today it's clear that 1.10 still does touch wrong. We'll try and get it right in libinput 1.11
[08:59] <seb128> duflu, is that for this cycle still? what is wrong?
[09:00] <Nafallo> morning
[09:00] <duflu> seb128, the hysteresis algorithm (sensistivity)
[09:00] <seb128> willcooke, could it be that some snaps code the path to their /snap... icon in their .desktop rather than using a name (which would be picked from the theme)?
[09:00] <duflu> No it probably won't be ready any time soon
[09:00] <seb128> duflu, ah ok, shame :/
[09:00] <duflu> seb128, 1.10 is still better than 1.9
[09:01] <duflu> We're just hoping 1.11 is even better
[09:01] <willcooke> seb128, ah right, makes sense.  Yeah, something for another day then IMO
[09:02] <Laney> hey hey
[09:03] <duflu> hi hi
[09:03] <jamesh> willcooke: so, this would be the icons specified in the .desktop files for snapped apps.  At present an app could specify a symbolic icon name there that can be overidden by themes, but no one does that because snapd doesn't have any way to install new icons into hicolor
[09:04]  * duflu completely forgets where his rebasing was before Europe woke up
[09:04] <jamesh> so in practice all apps hard code an absolute path (which is expanded from $SNAP), which can't be themed
[09:05] <willcooke> jamesh, got it, thanks
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:06] <jamesh> willcooke: it's not ideal, since it also means snapped apps can't provide multiple resolutions for their icon (e.g. a simplified one for use in the top panel)
[09:06] <seb128> jamesh, how are flatpak dealing with that problem?
[09:07] <jamesh> good question.  /me looks
[09:07] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, haven't seen it, looks like some *debian* hack is missing to install this file
[09:08] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yup, are you looking into it, or shall I ?
[09:09] <oSoMoN> I've manually added the missing files in a VM and am currently running the autopkgtests to confirm that this fixes the failures
[09:09] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128, willcooke, Laney
[09:09] <oSoMoN> and good afternoon jamesh
[09:10] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I am busy right now, I can have a look later, but it seems you are already onto it?
[09:12] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ok, I'll take care of it
[09:13] <jamesh> seb128: it looks like there is some code to validate that the symbolic icon name begins with the application ID (which is essentially the package name).  It looks like the app can export a $datadir/icons subtree too.  Looking to see what validation it does of that
[09:13] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[09:13] <seb128> jamesh, that sounds interesting
[09:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va, et toi?
[09:15] <seb128> oSoMoN, ça va bien, a bit stressed by the backlog of work/features that we need to land and are not near to be ready yet (and the number of other ones that are on track but just work and not done yet)
[09:22] <oSoMoN> right, that backlog is long :/
[11:27] <ricotz> oSoMoN, let's see how this turns out https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/8809471/+listing-archive-extra
[11:41] <oSoMoN> interesting, let's see if this builds
[11:42] <ricotz> oSoMoN, did you made progress on the language pack problem?
[11:42] <ricotz> I could start taking a look in a bit
[13:24] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ?
[13:25] <oSoMoN> ricotz, i got sidetracked a bit but am testing something now, feel free to beat me to it though, I'm sure you're more familiar with it than I am
[13:27] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I think I found the problem but not sure yet
[13:27] <ricotz> not a packaging problem, but again a buildsys one
[13:27] <oSoMoN> ah, those are nasty
[13:28] <oSoMoN> then you're definitely better suited to fix it than I am
[13:30] <ricotz> oSoMoN, these seem to be the missing files https://paste.debian.net/plain/1011461
[13:39] <ricotz> oSoMoN, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1011463
[13:39] <oSoMoN> ricotz, confirmed, those are the missing files
[13:43] <oSoMoN> ricotz, do you wanna commit that patch to the ubuntu-bionic-6.0 branch? I'll push a build to a test PPA with that and the orcus patch
[13:44] <ricotz> not yet, the paths are still wrong
[13:48] <ricotz> hmm, looks like launchpad has some troubles
[13:50] <ricotz> oSoMoN, test build still running here
[13:50] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ok, let me know when it's done and confirmed to include the missing files
[13:50] <ricotz> btw, looks like boost trouble on trusty
[13:51] <ricotz> oSoMoN, doing a partial build here with 3 selected lang packages
[14:01] <ricotz> oSoMoN, pushed
[14:01] <oSoMoN> excellent, thanks!
[14:06] <GunnarHj> I'm not sure that bug #1747272 is ready for a pull request. I'm merely groping around, since I don't know how to build the thing, and the next step should be that a maintainer look at it. If LP and the sponsoring queue isn't it, does snapd have a bug/issue tracker which they monitor?
[14:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: ^
[14:08] <ricotz> oSoMoN, this was not a regression though :(
[14:08] <seb128> GunnarHj, the place they are most active on is https://forum.snapcraft.io
[14:08] <seb128> GunnarHj, you should post there if you want a reply
[14:09] <oSoMoN> ricotz, so we never had those files in the lang packages?
[14:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok,thanks, will give it a shot.
[14:10] <seb128> GunnarHj, thx, otherwise you can try asking mvo but he's busy on getting a new version out so probably doesn't have time for that atm
[14:10] <ricotz> oSoMoN, if they are not new, then yeah
[14:14] <mvo> hey GunnarHj ! let me read backlog
[14:14] <GunnarHj> mvo: :)
[14:16] <GunnarHj> mvo: I think I'm close to a solution via some of the patches in the bug report, but since I don't know how to build, I need help.
[14:16] <mvo> GunnarHj: what you did in that patch (-002) looks pretty good to me, if you don't mind a PR on github would be great! for snapd we need the CLA to merge PRs (https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/contributors)
[14:17] <mvo> GunnarHj: if you do a github PR it will built automatically for you :)
[14:17] <mvo> GunnarHj: that is part of the CI we use
[14:17] <GunnarHj> mvo: Have never done that, but this may be an opportunity to learn.
[14:19] <mvo> GunnarHj: I am happy to do this for you if you prefer that - you are already part of the CLA signers, right? thats the only other important piece
[14:19] <GunnarHj> mvo: I already signed CLA.
[14:19] <mvo> GunnarHj: cool, just say what you prefer, I'm happy to do the PR for you but github is fun, you may enjoy it. just say what you prefer
[14:20] <mvo> GunnarHj: and thank a bunch for tracking that issue and providing the fix!
[14:20] <GunnarHj> mvo: Thanks. I think I'll give it a shot. Being able to do pull requests may be useful for other things.
[14:21] <mvo> GunnarHj: ok, keep me updated, I suck at replying to mail and bugreport but try to be responsive on irc at least, I'm here or in #snappy if you need me for anything
[14:22] <GunnarHj> mvo: Will ping you when done or when I get stuck. ;)
[14:30] <seb128> mvo, thanks for responding, I know you are busy, especially this week trying to get that update out :)
[14:31] <mvo> seb128: thanks for the irc ping, always  nice to see a i18n fix :)
[14:32] <seb128> indeed :)
[15:12] <willcooke> desktoppers - anyone got anything pending for 16.04.4 that's not already in?  Trevinho - you U7 bits are done already right?
[15:12] <Trevinho> willcooke: yes, I've another one though
[15:12] <Trevinho> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161
[15:12] <Trevinho> sil2100: maybe you can give it a look? :)
[15:16] <sil2100> Trevinho: if you verify bamf for artful, then I can look ;)
[15:17] <willcooke> :)
[15:19] <seb128> jbicha, hey, was that patch revert on dconf a random try of based on debug/discussions? seems it didn't work out :/
[15:26] <sil2100> Trevinho: in all seriousness, are those critical for .4?
[15:27] <Trevinho> sil2100: mh, well, there were crashes after last SRU related to one of that...
[15:27] <Trevinho> So, it might wait... If they take too much no worries
[15:27] <Trevinho> but since they're just few bugs, can be verified quickly
[15:29] <sil2100> I'll review those, get them into -proposed and then think if we can still fit it in for .4
[15:31] <ricotz> oSoMoN, pushed another fix to git
[15:49] <tkamppeter> oSoMoN, hi
[15:50] <tkamppeter> oSoMoN, I have a terrible memory leak on Chromium Browser in Bionic. Fills up 16 GB of RAM in 3-4 hours.
[16:18] <seb128> pitti, hey, any chance you could backport that python-dbusmock/nm 1.10 fix to Debian?
[16:19] <seb128> pitti, I verified that it fixes our n-m autopkgtest issues
[16:19] <seb128> pitti, I can send you a debdiff if you want
[16:20] <seb128> (or maybe you prefer to roll a new version than adding patches to the package)
[16:23] <oSoMoN> tkamppeter, that sounds really bad, can you please file a bug with details (including extensions you use)
[16:24] <oSoMoN> and if you can nail it down to a given tab / set of tabs, that would be useful
[16:33] <tkamppeter> oSoMoN, OK, I will do so.
[16:33] <sil2100> Trevinho: hey! Can you prepare the SRU info for the bugs in compiz and unity?
[16:34] <sil2100> Trevinho: (I don't know about unity, but the one compiz bug doesn't have the info)
[16:34] <oSoMoN> thanks
[16:34] <Trevinho> sil2100: yeah
[16:36] <sil2100> Thanks!
[16:51] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I think I rather roll a new upstream release tonight
[16:53] <sil2100> sergiusens: accepted! Once it's all good remember to forward-port it
[16:55] <sergiusens> sil2100: thank you very much, I am also focusing on 18.04 (which with the latest dput should be ok)
[16:59] <GunnarHj> mvo: Submitted my first github PR ever. :)
[16:59] <GunnarHj> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4723
[16:59] <GunnarHj> The caveat still stands; I don't know how to build snapd, so I haven't been able to test it fully.
[17:01] <jbicha> GunnarHj: good job :)
[17:01] <mvo> GunnarHj: yay, thank you!
[17:01] <GunnarHj> :)
[17:01] <mvo> GunnarHj: lets see what the CI systems says, it will build and install snapd
[17:01] <jbicha> seb128: feel free to demote telepathy-glib, we shouldn't need it in main any more :)
[17:02] <GunnarHj> mvo: Ok.
[17:11] <jbicha> ricotz: could you do a gobject-introspection release to line up with glib?
[17:36] <ricotz> jbicha, will try
[17:36] <ricotz> oSoMoN, are you going to do another libreoffice upload?
[18:11] <ricotz> jbicha, done
[18:18] <willcooke> calling it a day, g'night all have a good one
[18:20] <seb128> pitti, danke
[18:20] <seb128> jbicha, thx
[18:20] <seb128> jbicha, btw did you see my question about dconf?
[18:27] <ricotz> oSoMoN, shouldn't this have been uplifted to 6-0? https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47605/
[18:28] <jbicha> seb128: yes, it was just another guess at the dconf problem
[18:39] <Laney> bah, irritating time for the build farm to die
[18:39] <Laney> guess I'll go, laters :-)
[19:01] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yes, it should. isn't it in 6-0 ?
[19:01] <ricotz> oSoMoN, it isn'T
[19:02] <ricotz> so it missed <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:02] <oSoMoN> huh
[19:02] <oSoMoN> equality assertion failed
[19:02] <oSoMoN> - Expected: Color: R:254 G:255 B: 204
[19:02] <oSoMoN> - Actual  : Color: R:254 G:255 B: 204
[19:02] <oSoMoN> am I blind? that looks equal to me
[19:02] <ricotz> orcus?
[19:02] <oSoMoN> yes
[19:02] <ricotz> :(
[19:03] <oSoMoN> ricotz, so yes, I want to do another upload, but I'll have to get this test passing first
[19:03] <ricotz> oSoMoN, note the shlibs fix
[19:04] <sil2100> Trevinho: thanks for the SRU tags! Looking good, will be accepting those - you think it makes sense to get those to artful?
[19:05] <ricotz> oSoMoN, regarding apparmor, the senddoc fix made it, but there are still 3 apparmor patches which are not in 6-0
[19:06] <ricotz> and I guess only the mentioned one got proposed and merged into master
[19:16] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I should have paid more attention and requested merging back to 6-0 … :9
[19:17] <oSoMoN> :/
[19:18] <ricotz> oSoMoN, so better now then never
[19:18] <oSoMoN> yes
[19:18] <oSoMoN> I'll look into that later in the evening, dinner's calling
[19:18] <ricotz> *than
[19:19] <oSoMoN> unless you beat me to it :)
[19:19] <ricotz> I guess I will proceed with uploading 6.0.2~rc1
[19:19] <oSoMoN> good, thanks
[19:19] <ricotz> no, you need to click the button yourself ;)
[19:21] <ricotz> note 6.0.2~rc1 will likely be the final release again
[19:22] <oSoMoN> yeah, I know it's a shorter cycle with only one RC
[19:23] <oSoMoN> ricotz, do you know if RC tarballs are ever published to e.g. https://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/src/ , or only final releases?
[19:24] <ricotz> https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/
[20:21] <jbicha> robert_ancell: why does "all" in the category views in gnome-software 3.27 not show all apps for the category?
[20:22] <jbicha> for instance, I click Communications & News, then click the All dropdown to choose Web Browsers and there are several apps shown that aren't in the All page
[20:24] <robert_ancell> jbicha, snaps or debs or both?
[20:26] <jbicha> both I guess, I'm having a hard time seeing snaps shows up in bionic among the category results
[20:26] <jbicha> there are the 3 featured apps on the top and that looks like it
[20:44] <oSoMoN> ricotz, https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=d31cf425e0fec1da5a4f4db3da2e98ed0516027d should do the trick (fingers crossed)
[20:49] <ricotz> oSoMoN, oh, I thought this was some cherry-pick from master
[20:50] <oSoMoN> ricotz, no, this isn't fixed in master yet as they don't depend on orcus 0.13.3
[20:50] <ricotz> oSoMoN, afaics master is using 0.13.3
[20:57] <oSoMoN> see https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2018-February/079533.html
[20:58] <oSoMoN> oh, master does, indeed
[20:58] <oSoMoN> https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/45a4e70484e7d90dab07a677914ada2d948b415c
[21:02] <ricotz> oSoMoN, so I assume "adjusting" the test will hide that orcus is broken
[21:04] <oSoMoN> ricotz, from the commits in orcus it sounds like orcus was broken before, and is now doing the correct thing
[21:05] <oSoMoN> what I don't get is how the version of orcus got bumped in master, no changes to the tests were committed, and no-one is complaining that the tests are failing
[21:07] <jbicha> kenvandine: I tried installing the gnome-calculator snap on bionic but it wasn't autoconnected to the gnome platform snap
[21:07] <kenvandine> jbicha, yeah, that feature hasn't landed yet :(
[21:07] <jbicha> I then uninstalled it and made sure I had the gnome-3-26 snap installed and then installing gnome-calculator worked
[21:07] <ricotz> oSoMoN, there are cherry-picks on top of 0.13.3 and https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a1c36eff089c3cd695bd78090575ca1c7677121e
[21:09] <ricotz> oSoMoN, meaning the patches you referenced are fixes for orcus
[21:10] <oSoMoN> ricotz, but that specific commit is for font color, not cell background color
[21:10] <ricotz> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=20945a9a4de6684010fd5b3603595e6da543807d
[21:13] <ricotz> ah those are in 0.13.3, so picking up these changes to sc/source/filter/orcus/interface.cxx would do it
[21:15] <oSoMoN> okay, updating my patch again
[21:19] <oSoMoN> ricotz, https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/50207/1
[21:19] <oSoMoN> are there any other apparmor patches that need cherry-picking?
[21:22] <ricotz> oSoMoN, what is up with those other two that we carry?
[21:25] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I don't know, they come from debian
[21:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ok, but I assume they make sense to you
[21:26] <oSoMoN> I didn't bother to verify whether they're actually needed and if they should be upstreamed, tbh
[21:27] <ricotz> I see
[21:27] <oSoMoN> and I'm too tired to do that just now, putting it on my to-do list for tomorrow
[21:27] <oSoMoN> I really need some sleep
[21:27] <oSoMoN> I'm terribly inefficient atm
[21:28] <ricotz> debugging a testsuite isn't something easy
[21:30] <oSoMoN> and checking Rene's commits would have saved me time and energy :/ https://salsa.debian.org/libreoffice-team/libreoffice/libreoffice/commit/845b5fa4d9e5b28f4444c756de651b6b28cb9b27
[21:31] <ricotz> hmm, right
[21:47] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hmm
[21:48] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I was hoping you just pick the source changes
[21:49] <ricotz> you picked up at tarballing change which is not wanted imho
[21:51] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I simply used Rene's patch unedited, but the tarball changes don't matter, do they?
[21:52] <oSoMoN> or does that mean we should rebuild the tarballs tarball?
[21:52] <oSoMoN> in that case that's not wanted indeed
[21:52] <ricotz> I kind of matter and yes this would be the consequence
[21:52] <ricotz> I/it
[21:52] <oSoMoN> ok, removing that part of the patch then
[21:53] <oSoMoN> man, there's no way I'm going to bed tonight
[21:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, try to use reverts next time and proper cherry-picking
[21:54] <oSoMoN> ricotz, the configure.ac change is harmless, right?
[21:56] <ricotz> drop that too for consistency
[21:56] <oSoMoN> ok
[22:02] <ricotz> oSoMoN, try to avoid adding generated files in debian-l10n into the main package
[22:02] <ricotz> like debian-l10n/config
[22:04] <oSoMoN> yeah, noted
[22:04] <ricotz> oSoMoN, have you pushed everything?
[22:04] <oSoMoN> yes
[22:05] <ricotz> ok
[22:06] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I've just pushed 6.0.1-0ubuntu3~ppa3 to https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/lo-test/+packages , will test the resulting build tomorrow and if it's good will upload to bionic
[22:06] <oSoMoN> that was a hectic day, time for some rest
[22:06] <ricotz> alright, will repack 6.0.2~rc1


[09:34] <cjwatson> pitti: the python-pip SRU in progress wasn't released for xenial because of python-virtualenv regressions; these turn out to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/python-virtualenv/+bug/1626201 which you had a hand in.  Can we wave python-pip through?
[09:34] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1626201 in python-virtualenv (Ubuntu Xenial) "missing python*-dev and gcc dependencies" [Low,Triaged]
[09:38] <pitti> cjwatson: ah right, I remember; releasing
[09:46] <cjwatson> thanks!
[09:48] <ginggs> pitti: morning! i think blender is the last thing holding up the glew transition. what do you think of removing  2.78.a+dfsg0-1 which FTBFS on ppc64el (in Debian too) and uploading  a no-change rebuild of the previous versions as 2.77.a+dfsg0-9ubuntu1 ?
[09:50] <pitti> ginggs: I'm also fine with removing the current zesty-release ppc64el package
[09:51] <ginggs> pitti: ok, but don't we then have to remove a bunch of rdeps?
[09:51] <pitti> yes, blender-ogrexml-1.9 and morse-simulator
[09:51] <pitti> (these have no rdepends)
[09:52] <ginggs> pitti: sounds good to me
[09:53] <pitti> ginggs: done
[09:53] <ginggs> pitti: danke!
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, what will that removal fix? glew and openvdb?
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying hard gdal testsuite for mipp and i386 but it fails and is terribly slowly, not sure what is happening
[10:19] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest-virt-ssh: WARNING: ssh connection failed. Retrying in 3 seconds...
[10:20] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, ^^ does this ring a bell or I can assume it is normal?
[10:23] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: hopefully glew. openvdb should migrate at the same time
[10:23] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: it's normal as long as it just happens a few times; if the machine takes more than, say, 20 s to boot, that becomes unexpected
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> lets cross fingers
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, it seems stuck since minutes, not seconds
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> but I'll wait some more time
[10:38] <pitti> right, that one surely is broken
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> is it possible to kick bino/arm64 out? the failure is somewhere related to qt, and the gles/gl incompatibilities I don't know who I have to blame or to fix
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> I might try to patch it, but probably qt needs fix
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: appstream (xenial-backports/main) [0.9.4-1ubuntu1 => 0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted appstream [source] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: makedumpfile (xenial-proposed/main) [1:1.5.9-5ubuntu0.2 => 1:1.5.9-5ubuntu0.3] (core)
[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: makedumpfile (yakkety-proposed/main) [1:1.6.0-2ubuntu1.1 => 1:1.6.0-2ubuntu1.2] (core)
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, I'm trying really harder, but it still fails this mipp stuff
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [ppc64el] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [amd64] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [i386] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [armhf] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [arm64] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [powerpc] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: appstream [s390x] (xenial-backports/main) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (trusty-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-prime (trusty-proposed/main) [0.6.2 => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:37] <pitti> Logan: mipp/i386 is mostly broken anyway (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mipp/zesty/i386), I'll just hintit
[11:52] <pitti> Logan: sorry, not for you, that was for LocutusOfBorg
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, can you please do something wrt such mipp/gdal?
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> oh you did already
[13:08] <pitti> 12:37:54 pitti | LocutusOfBorg: mipp/i386 is mostly broken anyway (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mipp/zesty/i386), I'll just hint it
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, the problem is that somewhere it picks up libroj9
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> this is something I need to understand
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure why in local zesty i386 it isn't picked up, I have proposed enabled
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please remove libglewmx-dbg from zesty? otherwise I guess glew won't migrate
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> in proposed it is already removed
[13:19] <cjwatson> that doesn't sound right
[13:20] <pitti> glewmx is *only* in proposed rightnow
[13:20] <cjwatson> if it's already removed in zesty-proposed then all that should be needed is for glew and glewmx to migrate together
[13:20] <cjwatson> or for glew to migrate first
[13:21] <cjwatson> so it should just be about sorting out the other failures from that big autohint
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure why blender is there :/
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll see  it more deeply
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I never did a transition involving so many packages
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> kodi -.-'
[13:36] <LocutusOfBorg> please hint boost-defaults
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [amd64] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [armhf] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [powerpc] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [s390x] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [arm64] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [ppc64el] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted appstream [i386] (xenial-backports) [0.10.1-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[16:09] <ChrisTownsend> Could I please get someone to reject libertine in zesty-proposed?
[16:11] <didrocks> ChrisTownsend: hum, I don't see it
[16:12] <ChrisTownsend> didrocks: Strange.  Maybe bileto removed it automatically when I updated my silo???
[16:12] <didrocks> could be?
[16:13] <ChrisTownsend> didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libertine
[16:13] <didrocks> ChrisTownsend: ah, it was already accepted
[16:13] <didrocks> sorry, I thought about the unapproved queue
[16:14] <ChrisTownsend> didrocks: Ok, no worries, I should have been clear:)
[16:14] <didrocks> hum, I'll let someone from the SRU team thus, they may have tools to mention the revert on the linked bugs
[16:15] <ChrisTownsend> didrocks: There is a packaging issue that I'm trying to fix.
[16:15] <ChrisTownsend> didrocks: So if this is removed, then I can republsih with the correct fix.
[16:15] <Laney> ChrisTownsend: You can just upload a fixed version over the top
[16:16] <didrocks> ChrisTownsend: nothing prevents you bumping and pushing a new version
[16:16] <didrocks> with -v<latest_version_not_in_proposed>
[16:16] <ChrisTownsend> Laney: didrocks: Ok, thanks.  bileto is giving me grief.  I'll follow up again with a trainguard then.
[17:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted procps [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:3.3.10-4ubuntu2.3]
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gce-compute-image-packages to ubuntu-cloud in yakkety
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gce-compute-image-packages to ubuntu-cloud in zesty
[19:40] <cyphermox> could someone please remove golang-go.crypto/1:0.0~git20161012.0.5f31782-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> from yakkety-proposed?
[19:51] <infinity> cyphermox: So, juju ends up using a vendored cyrpto instead?
[19:52] <infinity> Not convinced that's an improvement...
[20:16] <cyphermox> infinity: yeah, I know :/
[20:16] <cyphermox> it already was using a vendorized crypto though
[20:24] <infinity> Yes, with the understanding that it shouldn't be.
[20:24] <infinity> In retrospect, it should have just been rejected back then.
[20:28] <cyphermox> yep
[22:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kmahjongg (yakkety-proposed/universe) [4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1.1] (kubuntu)
[22:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: googletest (zesty-proposed/primary) [1.8.0-2]


[01:10] <kiko> mpt, nobody but the DBA can delete product series
[01:11] <kiko> fujitsu: did you get some launchpad team membership email?
[01:11] <mdke> Lemming of the DBA
[01:17] <jamesh> hi kiko
[01:18] <poolie> hi kiko
[01:18] <poolie> and jamesh
[01:18] <kiko> hey jamesh
[01:18] <kiko> hey poolie
[01:18] <jamesh> I checked with the Brazilian Embassy, and they said they mailed my passport back today
[01:19] <jamesh> I was getting a bit worried because I'd sent it to them on the 14th December
[01:23] <kiko> jamesh, it's brazil. you know how it works.
[01:23] <jamesh> kiko: the telephone number for visa enquiries is only open 2 hours a day
[01:23] <jamesh> for me it is from 7am to 9am
[01:24] <kiko> that would require me take a phone to my morning bike ride which is most inconvenient
[01:24] <jamesh> (these are people in Canberra -- not Brazil
[01:24] <kiko> I know. I am just putting myself in your place
[01:25] <kiko> however
[01:25] <kiko> the embassy is not in canberra
[01:25] <jamesh> ?
[01:25] <kiko> it is in a brazilian plot of land within the canberra city limits
[01:25] <LarstiQ> :)
[01:25] <kiko> you keep your hands off my embassy
[01:25] <kiko> when we visit the australian embassy in brasilia it reminds us in big bold capitals that we are on australian soil
[01:26] <jamesh> it would be a 4-5 hour plane flight for me to get my hands on that plot of land
[01:26] <kiko> I spoke of hands figuratively
[01:26] <jamesh> yeah :)
[01:26] <jamesh> I wish .au would get rid of the visa requirement for Brazilians
[01:26] <jamesh> that way Brazil would get rid of the requirement for Australians
[01:26] <kiko> we would indeed
[01:27] <kiko> but I'm concerned about all the australians flocking for jobs to brazil
[01:27] <kiko> taking over our beaches
[01:27] <kiko> eating all our food
[01:27] <jamesh> but you don't mind kiwis like mpt getting in visa free?
[01:27] <kiko> you know what I mean
[01:28] <kiko> jamesh, be honest to yourself. how many people are there actually in NZ? mpt, his mom, dad, two sisters and the president.
[01:28] <jamesh> thumper too
[01:28] <jamesh> and a lot of sheep
[01:28] <kiko> thumper just moved in and wasn't included in the census
[01:28] <spiv> jamesh: even in NZ sheep don't get passports, though :)
[01:28] <kiko> i'm not concerned about the job market for sheep
[01:28] <jamesh> spiv: they don't generally need them to travel internationally
[01:29] <jamesh> lucky sheep
[01:29] <kiko> though it is true that sheep can ruin beaches and eat copious amounts of food
[01:29] <kiko> what was this conversation about again?
[01:29] <kiko> ah yes
[01:29] <kiko> let me know if the embassy doesn't send your passport
[01:30] <kiko> and I will talk to the embassy here to see wtf is wrong with those slackers
[01:30] <jamesh> it should be here by the end of the week
[01:30] <mpt> kiko, New Zealand has a president??
[01:30] <kiko> mpt, oh, so it's just the 5 of you, thumper and the sheep?
[01:31] <mpt> No, no, my third sister can be the president
[01:31] <mpt> She's studying politics
[01:31] <ajmitch> poor girl
[01:31] <jamesh> and the kiwi birds/fruit
[01:31] <jamesh> and ajmitch
[01:31] <Fujitsu_> kiko, pong?
[01:31] <kiko> how can anybody try to convince anyone that they are studying politics. your parents are 0wned
[01:32] <kiko> Fujitsu_, yes, I'd like to know if you got any launchpad membership email?
[01:32] <kiko> man vmware over remote X doesn't start up for me
[01:32] <kiko> how disgusting
[01:32] <Fujitsu_> Not for a couple of days... FOr any team in particular?
[01:33] <mpt> kiko, we think she actually plans a career as a spy
[01:33] <kiko> mpt, that's more like it. I know just the person for her to talk to.
[01:33] <mpt> kiko knows people who know people
[01:35] <jamesh> maybe she'll take up the option for New Zealand to become a state of Australia
[01:35] <jamesh> according to our constitution, NZ can do that
[01:37] <kiko> I knew jamesh was going to go for the low blow
[01:37] <jamesh> I already mentioned NZ and sheep
[01:37] <mdke> NZ isn't a state of Australia?
[01:37] <jamesh> mdke: for some reason they want to stay independent
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78522 in launchpad-bazaar "xmlrpc failure shouldn't include exception details" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78522
[01:41] <jamesh> mdke: New Zealand is like 2 timezones east of Australia
[01:43] <mpt> NZ used to be a state of Australia
[01:43] <mpt> then we grew up
[01:44] <mdke> jamesh: doesn't stop hawaii
[01:44] <mdke> or France, which is one time zone east of England
[02:01] <mpt> Oh, cool: https://launchpad.net/amu
[03:31] <mpt> [Hobbsee]  ... #ubuntu-au
[03:31] <mpt> that explains it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> mpt: um, OK :)
[03:36] <mpt> (that was a quote from /whois, if you were wondering)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[05:28] <Bhaskar> jamesh:hello
[05:29] <jamesh> hi Bhaskar
[05:30] <Bhaskar> jamesh: i think u are aslo programmer
[05:30] <jamesh> yep.
[05:35] <jamesh> so, it looks like Python hasn'
[05:35] <jamesh> t switched bug trackers yety
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78545 in launchpad "Launchpad config should be reset back to default after each test" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78545
[09:18] <carlos> morning!
[09:28] <matthewrevell_> carlos: morning :)
[09:30] <carlos> matthewrevell: hey
[09:31] <jkelly_> morning guys, does anyone know if the malone xml rpc integration with python exists?
[09:33] <lifeless> jkelly_: what do you mean?
[09:40] <jkelly_> is there a file bug api for launchpad in python?
[09:40] <jkelly_> https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC
[09:49] <BjornT> jkelly_: what exactly are you looking for? the MaloneXMLRPC document describes how to file a bug from python.
[09:56] <jkelly_> BjornT: sorry, i understand what i have to do now, thanks anyway :)
[09:56] <BjornT> cool :)
[10:01] <carlos> BjornT: ping
[10:01] <BjornT> hi carlos
[10:02] <carlos> BjornT: hi, could you do a fast review for me? it's related with the discussion we had on Friday about escape chars and getting the right encoding
[10:03] <carlos> s/escape/escaped/
[10:07] <BjornT> carlos: sure. is it carlos/launchpad/bug-67138?
[10:07] <carlos> BjornT: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/carlos/launchpad/bug-67138/full-diff
[10:07] <carlos> BjornT: yes
[10:08] <BjornT> ok, i'll take a look at it now.
[10:09] <carlos> BjornT: cool, thanks
[10:14] <jkelly_> BjornT: would i have to do authentication myself? since it does not exist https://launchpad.net/malone/+bug/57742
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57742 in malone "xmlrpc filebug API raises TypeError exception" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[10:16] <BjornT> jkelly_: yes, you need to specify your username and password, using a URL like https://your<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:00] <sabdfl> greetings lunchpadders!
[11:07] <cprov> good morning, folks
[11:25] <WebMaven> lunchpadders?
[11:25] <WebMaven> Is that where you go to eat a meal in orbit?
[11:26] <WebMaven> sabdfl: are you coming to PyCon?
[11:33] <sabdfl> WebMaven: no, but i believe stevea and static are
[11:34] <WebMaven> Cool.
[11:34] <cprov> stub: ping
[11:34] <stub> cprov: pong
[11:35] <WebMaven> sabdfl: Is Canonical going to sponsor the conference?
[11:35] <cprov> stub: hi, which wiki page did you mean for "partial production db snapshots" ?
[11:43] <SteveA> WebMaven: Canonical is not directly sponsoring pycon.  We did just get provisionally accepted as PSF sponsors.
[11:43] <SteveA> to be approved by a members' vote at pycon.
[11:43] <SteveA> http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/2007-02-23/
[11:44] <WebMaven> Oh, as a sponsor *member*, OK.
[11:46] <WebMaven> That's very cool.
[11:48] <WebMaven> PyCon sponsorship needn't be expensive. A bag-insert sponsorship can be had for $200, for example: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/HowToSponsor
[11:53] <SteveA> WebMaven: that's an interesting idea.
[11:53] <SteveA> I want to get python developers to take a look at bazaar
[11:54] <SteveA> if you went to pycon and found a leaflet about bazaar in your conference pack, how would you feel?
[11:55] <WebMaven> depends on what it said, I guess.
[11:56] <WebMaven> A silver sponsorship gets you priority for Lightning Talks
[12:01] <WebMaven> BTW, inserts don't have to be printed materials.
[12:07] <SteveA> thanks for the suggestions.  I'll have a think about this one.
[12:08] <WebMaven> You're welcome. I hope to see you there.
[12:09] <stub> cprov: The one for your spec that you referenced in the email (the Soyuz test environment one I think)
[12:13] <cprov> stub: Oh, sorry I misunderstood you then, I was thinking about some kind of work-in-progress specific spec for this. No problem, I will work in a draft blacklist. Thank you.
[12:37] <xdatap> hi there
[12:37] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Hello
[12:38] <xdatap> seems today's recount of karma doesn't worked
[12:40] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Your karma still total doesn't match the total of the separate amounts in each part of Launchpad?
[12:40] <xdatap> matthewrevell: yes. But it's the same of yesterday, but yesterday i worked on bugs
[12:41] <xdatap> so, probably the program that calculate the karma doesn't run today
[12:41] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Karma isn't updated immediately and can take up to two or three days.
[12:41] <mattl> LP has karma?
[12:42] <xdatap> matthewrevell: oh, 2 or 3. I'm thinking the calculate was daily
[12:42] <matthewrevell> xdatap: Check tomorrow and your total should be updated.
[12:43] <xdatap> matthewrevell: ok, thanks
[12:43] <matthewrevell> xdatap: No problem :)
[12:44] <xdatap> i go, bye
[12:45] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah, it's a way to give a rough idea of how much each person has done.
[12:46] <mattl> ah, so how do you get karma?
[12:46] <matthewrevell> mattl: Reporting a bug, translating some text, updating a blueprint. Just about anything really.
[12:46] <mattl> can you lose it?
[12:47] <matthewrevell> mattl: Not that I know of.
[12:47] <mattl> okay. thanks :)
[12:47] <matthewrevell> mattl: I think it degrades, over time, so you need to remain active to retain a high level.
[12:48] <mattl> ahh, that makes sense.
[12:48] <mattl> matthewrevell: having fun in the new job?
[12:49] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah :) Lots and lots to learn and I will never be stuck for something to do, which is good :)
[12:49] <mattl> you're the Launchpad marketing manager?
[12:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:50] <matthewrevell> mattl: That's one thing you could call it. My job is like a mix of what Jono does for Ubuntu, with marketing and communications thrown in
[12:50] <matthewrevell> mattl: I'm the Launchpad community/communications/marketing bloke. :)
[12:50] <mattl> heh.
[12:51] <mattl> will we see Launchpad ads?
[12:51] <matthewrevell> mattl: Ads *for* Launchpad? There are no plans for traditional advertising at the moment, but never say never.
[12:53] <matthewrevell> mattl: You might see the occasional Google ad in the future, and there have been some in the past.
[12:53] <mattl> Actually, I'm not sure I see Google ads, but it could be an interesting one.
[12:54] <mattl> Further to our chat last week, I'm formulating ideas on how freedoms should apply to web applications.
[12:54] <matthewrevell> mattl: Cool, I'd love to read/hear your thoughts.
[12:54] <mattl> I'd be interested to know your feelings on the subject when I send it out.
[12:54] <matthewrevell> mattl: absolutely. Please put me on your list of people to see it :)
[12:55] <mattl> Heh, it's quite the list now. It seems a lot of people have an opinion on it.
[12:56] <mattl> Did you see Second Life now free software?
[12:56] <mattl> is now
[12:57] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah, that's pretty cool. We interviewed one of the Linden Labs guys on LugRadio a few months back and he mentioned they were considering/planning it. I didn't realise it was going to be so soon, though.
[12:58] <mattl> Sooner the better, really. I'd like to see more games become free software.
[12:58] <mattl> I'm interested in the idea of writing a free software game for many platforms, but I'm not sure that the likes of Nintendo would accommodate such innovation.
[12:59] <matthewrevell> mattl: It's easier for Second Life to open their client, than a lot of games, though, because they're subscription based.
[12:59] <matthewrevell> mattl: Ever spoken to Pepsiman? He's ported Linux to the Nintendo DS
[12:59] <mattl> Second Life has a free-of-charge subscription, I believe.
[01:00] <mattl> I've been meaning to get GNU/Linux onto the DS.
[01:00] <mattl> I'd like to see it on the Wii.
[01:00] <matthewrevell> mattl: Yeah, but you buy Linden dollars to do stuff in the world, using real dollars. So, it's not reliant on people buying a boxed version of the game.
[01:01] <mattl> As the Wii has a standard SD Card reader, I can envisage where you could buy a free software loader, and then load games from the SD Card.
[01:01] <mattl> The loader would have to be on the regular sized disks.
[01:01] <mattl> Until someone works out a way to do it with just the SD Card.
[01:01] <matthewrevell> I'd best crack on, tbh. Look forward to seeing your document on software freedoms and web services.
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78562 in rosetta "Missing Firestarter translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78562
[01:18] <static> hello launchpad!
[01:22] <carlos> SteveA: ping
[01:22] <carlos> or kiko-zzz
[01:23] <SteveA> carlos: ?
[01:24] <carlos> SteveA: The people at https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/ have some .pot upload requests
[01:24] <carlos> SteveA: I wonder whether they could be considered upstream in that context
[01:24] <carlos> I think so, but I would like to confirm it
[01:24] <carlos> SteveA: they are an Ubuntu derivative
[01:25] <SteveA> what a confusing name :-)  I thought it would be medically-themed ubuntu
[01:25] <carlos> and from what I see, the requests are for packages that are not included in Ubuntu already
[01:25] <carlos> Multimedia, Entertainment & Distraction In Ubuntu
[01:25] <carlos> ;-)
[01:26] <SteveA> I don't really understand what you're asking me, and what the consequences of a decision are.
[01:26] <SteveA> I'm going for lunch now, can this wait until later?
[01:26] <carlos> sure
[01:26] <carlos> I will ping you later
[01:27] <SteveA> ok
[01:35] <carlos> see you!
[01:46] <kiko-zzz> hey carlos
[01:46] <kiko> good morning
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78565 in launchpad "no direct link from bug comment page to corresponding bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78565
[02:51] <kiko> BjornT, ping?
[02:51] <BjornT> hi kiko
[02:51] <kiko> how's it going old man
[02:52] <BjornT> it's going good, working on implementing the malone side of the bug reporting tool.
[02:52] <kiko> cool -- mdz  was asking me about that. is the cloakroom stuff working as expected?
[02:55] <BjornT> well, i haven't come that far yet, i'm still writing the tests. but i'd think it should work as expected.
[03:02] <kiko> BjornT, ah. what does the API for retrieving the blob look like?
[03:06] <BjornT> kiko: in python? it's ITemporaryStorageManager.fetch(token)
[03:06] <kiko> BjornT, and you get the content back as a string or something?
[03:07] <BjornT> kiko: almost. you get some object, and object.blob is the uploaded data as a string.
[03:07] <kiko> okay, sounds pretty simple.
[03:08] <kiko> BjornT, and we do no parsing of the blob, right? just add it as an attachment and that's it?
[03:09] <BjornT> kiko: no, we will parse it, either append to the description, add as a comment, or add as an attachment.
[03:10] <kiko> BjornT, oh. so a very custom parse at that. how do we know what type the blob is? is there a signature or something?
[03:11] <BjornT> kiko: the blob is a multipart MIME message, so it's easy to parse. we know what to do with the different parts by looking at the Content-Disposition header for each part.
[03:11] <kiko> BjornT, my question is more how do we differentiate from different types of blob?
[03:11] <kiko> i.e. for future-proofing and also "spam"-proofing.
[03:13] <BjornT> there's only one type of blobs so far. if it's not a valid MIME message, we'll display an error message. this is done on the +filebug page, though. anything can still be uploaded, but only the +filebug page will be able to access them.
[03:15] <kiko> BjornT, yeah, I know, with a GET-informed token.
[03:15] <kiko> BjornT, what do we do when we have a second type of blob? I'd like at least some sort of identifiable signature somewhere somehow. can that be arranged?
[03:17] <BjornT> kiko: it'd be easy to add a custom header to mime message. something like X-Launchpad-Bug-Report-Info: 1.0
[03:18] <kiko> BjornT, is the format highly ubuntu-specific or could, say, firefox or python use it?
[03:20] <BjornT> kiko: there's nothing ubuntu-specifict about it, so we could document it properly on help.launchpad.net and let any project use it.
[03:21] <kiko> BjornT, okay, I like both those ideas. maybe work with somebody to document the format so you don't have to?
[03:23] <BjornT> kiko: well, i'm going to document it anyway in the doctests. but i guess i could ask someone to look at the doctests and produce user documentation from that.
[03:24] <kiko> right
[03:24] <kiko> could matthewrevell do that I wonder?
[03:27] <matthewrevell> kiko, BjornT: Yep, I can do that.
[03:28] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Let me know when you've got something you want me to look at.
[03:28] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Or if you want to write some notes, I can turn it into docs
[03:28] <kiko> it should be straightforward -- the doctests should provide the best notes possible
[03:30] <matthewrevell> kiko: So, the documentation is for an API that allows third party tools to report bugs directly into Malone?
[03:30] <BjornT> matthewrevell: cool. it's probably best to do it after the distro sprint, so don't expect anything before the beginning of february.
[03:31] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Okay, nice one. Just let me know when you need me.
[03:31] <kiko> matthewrevell, not exactly, but related. it's for a data format that a tool can upload and then give the user a handle that he can use when filing a bug to retrieve it.
[03:31] <kiko> matthewrevell, so I can upload a file containing a dump file and a traceback and some information about the environment
[03:32] <kiko> then with the handle I get back from launchpad
[03:32] <kiko> I can go in and file a bug and launchpad knows to pull the coat out of the cloakroom and attach it to your bug in a way that makes sense.
[03:32] <kiko> maybe the traceback and env info goes in a comment and the dump goes in as an attachment
[03:33] <matthewrevell> kiko: Right, I see, thanks.
[03:33] <kiko> matthewrevell, the upload is meant to be done by a tool, in the case of ubuntu, which will hand off to a +filebug in firefox
[03:34] <matthewrevell> kiko: Right.
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78577 in launchpad "Send notifications when a new member is added to a team" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78577
[04:28] <kiko-fud> salgado, is that not done today?
[04:28] <salgado> kiko-fud, not when you use the +addmember page
[04:29] <kiko-fud> salgado, should the event not be triggered in the domain class instead to avoid this?
[04:32] <salgado> we don't have an event for that
[04:32] <salgado> what we have currently is notifications for status changes, not for addition of new members
[04:32] <kiko-fud> s/the event/an event?
[06:32] <rolando-ve> hi
[06:32] <rolando-ve> I need a littel help
[06:32] <rolando-ve> mya anyone help me,please
[06:32] <rolando-ve> this is the case
[06:33] <rolando-ve> I did help to create the ubuntu-sv (ElSalvadorTeam) project in LaunchPad
[06:33] <salgado> rolando-ve, is that a project or a team?
[06:34] <rolando-ve> but when I did try to give the owern to the lider user of ElSalvador, the I dont know what happened a assign the owenr to other user
[06:34] <rolando-ve> a Team
[06:34] <rolando-ve> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sv
[06:35] <rolando-ve> now, I cant give the own to the correct user
[06:35] <rolando-ve> :(
[06:35] <rolando-ve> what can i do?
[06:36] <rolando-ve> Fritznl is the own now, and must be navnelson
[06:36] <rolando-ve> I mistake
[06:37] <salgado> rolando-ve, let me try to get somebody to fix this for you
[06:37] <rolando-ve> salgado, thanks!
[06:37] <salgado> kiko-fud, can you change the owner of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sv from 'na' to 'navnelson7'?
[06:45] <kiko-fud> salgado, sure.
[07:09] <kiko> rolando-ve, salgado: done.
[07:10] <rolando-ve> Thank you
[07:10] <rolando-ve> Thanks salgado , kiko
[07:11] <rolando-ve> see you
[07:13] <jmedina> hello there
[07:14] <jmedina> I just join to an launchpad group, and Im inviting some friends to ask their doubts there
[07:14] <jmedina> but I dont see any page where they can ask
[07:14] <jmedina> I only see the "Answers" page
[07:15] <carlos> jmedina: that page is associated with a product
[07:15] <carlos> jmedina: not teams
[07:15] <jmedina> ok
[07:15] <carlos> seems like what you want is a forum
[07:15] <carlos> but we don't have such feature
[07:15] <carlos> or a mailing list
[07:16] <jmedina> then, for example https://answers.launchpad.net/
[07:16] <jmedina> who and how those answers were made?
[07:16] <jmedina> jeje
[07:16] <carlos> jmedina: that's for user support linked with a product or distribution
[07:17] <carlos> if you have a problem with Ubuntu, you open one and the developers will try to solve your problem
[07:17] <carlos> or with launchpad itself
[07:17] <carlos> is not exactly a forum
[07:18] <jmedina> yes, I know
[07:18] <jmedina> thanks I found the request support form
[07:18] <jmedina> and now I understand it
[07:18] <jmedina> thanks
[07:19] <carlos> np
[08:07] <radix> If I want to request the ability to specify columns to display in bug listing tables, should I file a bug (I couldn't find any existing bugs about that)
[08:10] <kiko> that bug is already filed
[08:12] <radix> I must be searching for the wrong terms...
[08:12] <radix> kiko: do you know the number or at least some likely search terms to find it? :)
[08:12] <kiko> I'm looking
[08:15] <kiko> how weird
[08:15] <radix> maybe someone rejected it?
[08:18] <kiko> matsubara, help?
[08:19] <matsubara> kiko: maybe you're looking for you comment in bug https://launchpad.net/malone/+bug/3752
[08:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3752 in malone "Bug lists should provide a way to change the query" [Medium,Fix released]   - Assigned to Brad Bollenbach (bradb)
[08:19] <matsubara> s/you comment/your comment/
[08:20] <radix> that looks close
[08:20] <kiko> you know everything matsubara
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78596 in malone "Automatically handle moving duplicates across when duplicating a bug with dupes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78596
[08:20] <kiko> radix, I'm amazed at the fact that the bug is perhaps not reported then
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78597 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "lpdebs needs graphviz-cairo package for dapper amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78597
[08:26] <matsubara> BjornT: shouldn't lp.net/malone/bugs/$bugid redirect to lp.net/bugs/$bugid? If yes, is there a bug filed on it?
[08:28] <BjornT> matsubara: do we have many 404 for such URLs?
[08:29] <matsubara> BjornT: I haven't checked the 404s, but all my old bugmail has the malone/bugs/$bugid url and would be nice to have that redirect to the bug instead of a 404
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78598 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "import policy violations in gina" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78598
[08:31] <radix> kiko: so then, should I file a different bug for it?
[08:31] <kiko> radix, yes, I think that's the only way to move forward in this quagmire
[08:34] <kiko> hullo seb128
[08:34] <radix> kiko: cool then.
[08:34] <seb128> hey kiko
[08:35] <BjornT> matsubara: hmm. i guess it might be worth adding a redirect for it.
[08:37] <matsubara> BjornT: okie. I'll file a bug then.
[08:44] <seb128> grumpf
[08:44] <seb128> launchpad seems to eat the control-center uploads today
[08:44] <kiko> seb128, no warnings sent back?
[08:44] <kiko> cprov, ping?
[08:44] <cprov> kiko: pong
[08:45] <kiko> cprov, have a sec to look on mawson to see what's happening to seb's uploads?
[08:45] <seb128> kiko: no, no mail, nothing
[08:45] <cprov> seb128: we had problems with gpg keys
[08:45] <cprov> kiko: drescher :)
[08:45] <seb128> I've uploaded 2.17.5-0ubuntu1 for control-center some hours ago and no sign from it
[08:45] <cprov> seb128: I will check it again, no mail isn't expected.
[08:46] <seb128> and no 2.17.5-0ubuntu2, same (not sure if I should upload the .orig.tar.gz again then)?
[08:46] <kiko> cprov, ah
[08:46] <seb128> cprov: thank you
[08:46] <seb128> I got other packages accepted during the day
[08:46] <seb128> so it's not likely to be a problem with my key
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78602 in malone "Redirect /malone/bugs/$bugid to /bugs/$bugid" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78602
[08:51] <cprov> seb128: it failed, indeed, by the gpg issue we had today -> GPG verification of control-center_2.17.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes failed: No public key
[08:52] <seb128> cprov: what should I do? I uploaded a 2.17.5-0ubuntu2 some minutes ago
[08:52] <cprov> seb128: you can either re-upload it or request distro-guys to re-process it
[08:52] <seb128> but without the orig
[08:52] <seb128> should I upload -0ubuntu2 again but with the orig then?
[08:52] <seb128> ok
[08:52] <seb128> thank you
[08:53] <cprov> seb128: it also failed ... I guess, let me see
[08:54] <cprov> seb128: btw, we still having the *gpg issue* I thought it was gone ...
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78605 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "get rid of 'test left new threads behind' messages during 'make check'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78605
[08:59] <kiko> radix, did you file it?
[09:00] <radix> kiko: I did. I don't know why it didn't show up here... #76808
[09:00] <radix> er, #78608
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78608 in malone "Allow specifying arbitrary columns in bug listings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78608
[09:01] <radix> heh
[09:01] <kiko> it takes 5 minutes
[09:02] <radix> oh, I guess the same lag as email?
[09:03] <seb128> cprov: do you have a list of uploads that go rejected due to the gpg error?
[09:03] <seb128> because without feedback we might not upload them again
[09:03] <kiko> radix, ubugtu gets bugmail!
[09:03] <radix> kiko: ahhh :)
[09:03] <seb128> would be nice to get a rejected mail when that happens
[09:05] <cprov> seb128: that's a good idea, can get someone from distro-team either to build a list of suspicious failures or to re-process them
[09:05] <cprov> seb128: I'm working to find the cause of the problem and hopefully fix it ...
[09:07] <seb128> cprov: ok, I will ping Tollef about that
[09:07] <seb128> after dinner
[09:07] <seb128> dinner time for now ;)
[09:08] <cprov> seb128: okay, I will be here too
[09:08] <kiko> cprov, what do you think happened?
[09:08] <cprov> kiko: looks like unreachable keyserver, but gpgme debug is so poor
[09:09] <radix> gpgme is terrrrrible.
[09:10] <kiko> cprov, http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6E63F4AA works from here, fwiw
[09:11] <cprov> kiko: right, but it doesn't inside p-u run, exits with 'No public key'
[09:11] <cprov> kiko: which is the same for truly not found keys or unreachable server or /who know what else/
[09:12] <kiko> cprov, mmmm. can you access that URL from drescher manually?
[09:12] <kiko> cprov, can we add a sanity check to p-u that fetches a known key as a way to ensure that the keyserver is working and otherwise blow up and say "THE ROOF IS ON FIRE"?
[09:13] <cprov> kiko: gpg works when we call it manually on drescher
[09:14] <kiko> hummm.
[09:14] <kiko> did we change anything elsewhere since yesterday?
[09:14] <cprov> kiko: maybe, *pinging* keyserver would give us more information about the problem
[09:15] <kiko> cprov, well, ping doesn't ensure that the keyserver is actually working, only that the host is up
[09:15] <cprov> kiko: nothing on soyuz, dunno about the DC infra, but I guess not, elmo is aware of the problem and helping to debug
[09:15] <kiko> mmm
[09:15] <cprov> kiko: I meant high level *ping*, as you suggested
[09:16] <cprov> as "retrieving a known key"
[09:17] <kiko> ah right
[09:17] <kiko> yes
[09:18] <cprov> kiko: it's really strange because it works sometimes, for the same keys (seb's one, for instance)
[09:26] <cprov> kiko: the maximum debug you can get from gpgme is a tuple, (7, 9, 'No public key'), which is really distressing
[09:27] <kiko> cprov, so seb's key always works?
[09:27] <kiko> or does it only work sometimes?
[09:27] <cprov> kiko: only sometimes
[09:28] <kiko> cprov, ethereal or tcpdump to the rescue?
[09:28] <cprov> kiko: back to the basis ...
[09:29] <kiko> you said it man
[09:42] <glatzor> hi. A German company contacted me, since they want to use launchpad for their Java based app. To whom can I forward the request?
[09:43] <kiko> glatzor, to me, but they can go ahead, register a product and start using Launchpad without any explicit permission. or is it a proprietary app?
[09:43] <glatzor> kiko: yes. www.netavis.net
[09:44] <glatzor> It's a proprietary one.
[09:44] <kiko> glatzor, okay. in that case please have them contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please.
[09:44] <glatzor> kiko: fine.
[09:45] <kiko> glatzor, many thanks for referring this.
[09:45] <static> glatzor: Hi, I'm elliot. Like kiko said, thanks for referring this.
[09:45] <glatzor> static: thanks for providing lp to the Ubuntu project :)
[09:46] <static> glatzor: :) I just started working on it a few weeks ago, so haven't done much yet, but your sentiment is appreciated by the whole team.
[09:50] <kiko> static is being humble. he has masterminded this whole project since he was an infant and only now is he making his persona known to the world.
[09:51] <kiko> that mark character is smoke and mirrors to distract
[10:00] <mdke> aww. We really need a "Mark all fix committed bugs as released" button
[10:03] <kiko> mdke, when release happens?
[10:04] <mdke> kiko: well, not automatically, although that would be nice.
[12:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:02] <mdke> hiya mpt


[21:56] <zequence> What's required in order to edit wiki pages on help.ubuntu.doc? A guy says he can't edit pages using his launchpad account


[00:13] <network_keith> Hello
[00:13] <network_keith> I'm trying to install something from source for first time (putty, an ssh client) and running into an issue when trying to run ./config.c - gives me a permission denied error
[00:14] <network_keith> do i need to do something with chmod ?
[17:24] <Geothst> I installed KDE and it messed up my boot splash screen. I don't want a splash screen at all I just want to see what's going on when I'm booting. So I did sudo sed -i 's/ splash / /g' /boot/grub/grub.cfgclay@Geo-Ubuntu:~$ sudo grep -r "splash" /boot/grub to get rid of it. But the KDE splash screen is still there when I log off. It's gone when I log in which is what I wanted, but how do I get rid of the logoff/shutdown splash?
[17:27] <Geothst> On a related note, Unity is crashing like every 5 seconds. Can someone point me to a guide for how to uninstall and re-install Unity?
[17:28] <Geothst> I'm guessing sudo apt-get remove Unity, but last time I did something like that, it started systematically uninstalling Ubuntu.


[09:09] <knome> bluesabre, around? ;)
[09:09] <bluesabre> knome, pretty much all the time :)
[09:09] <knome> ok, i have the kind of finished wallpaper here now :P
[09:09] <bluesabre> :)
[09:10] <bluesabre> Before the RC, I dig it ;)
[09:10] <knome> now let's figure out where i need to push it
[09:10] <knome> yeah, life's busy
[09:10] <bluesabre> Same
[09:11] <knome> pls halp!
[09:11] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/+git/xubuntu-artwork/+ref/eoan
[09:11] <knome> :D
[09:11] <knome> thanks
[09:11] <knome> sigh @ stuff
[09:11] <knome> i don't remember most of this any more
[09:12] <bluesabre> Doesn't help that we moved this around somewhat recently
[09:12] <knome> yep
[09:15] <knome> bluesabre, do i need to open the .1 tag?
[09:16] <bluesabre> knome: I can do that if you'd like, along with the upload
[09:16] <knome> nah, it's fine
[09:17] <knome> just asking if i need .1 since 19.10 is not UNRELEASED
[09:18] <bluesabre> Yeah, we'd want to apply the tag to the same as the release upload. So feel free to leave it off (I probably need to do some package updates at the same time)
[09:19] <knome> so add to 19.10?
[09:20] <bluesabre> Just don't tag it, git add; git commit; git push; and I'll take it from there
[09:20] <bluesabre> :D
[09:20] <knome> aha
[09:20] <knome> ok
[09:21] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1846935
[09:22] <knome> and https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=231148c824cc22ecc77b4bc7d07bfc1ea8135259
[09:22] <knome> -release is subbed to bug
[09:22] <bluesabre> thanks knome!
[09:22] <knome> you can do a council ack if you want
[09:22] <knome> np
[09:27] <bluesabre> knome: that looks very nice :)
[09:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Update Xubuntu version number and link to the development wallpaper @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=9ca0c0f456ee0f9e5b89b1c970fffeb5cc29f284 (by Sean Davis)
[09:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: New wallpaper for Xubuntu 19.10 (UIFe bug #1846935) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=231148c824cc22ecc77b4bc7d07bfc1ea8135259 (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[09:36] <Spass> back to blue & teal, nice
[09:44] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/copyright: Include full CC-BY-SA-3.0 (incomplete-creative-commons-license) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=5503727cd2cf89e9771915fd9344514a5eca212e (by Sean Davis)
[09:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Drop .bzr-builddeb, we're no longer using bzr for xubuntu-artwork @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=cca13ef5d4947290f0f9dd8eca87ad35dfb1548b (by Sean Davis)
[09:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Create .gitignore, add debian/files @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=f2ec57591fdac9a38a9ab6f2f4357cdf43de181e (by Sean Davis)
[10:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/copyright: Refresh copyright information, last updated in 2015 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=289933f9fba06fee4d85edd9dd3811366b6a9a76 (by Sean Davis)
[10:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/control, d/compat: Bump debhelper to 12; Bump Standards-Version to 4.4.0; Update VCS links @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=3a435dc670e176da8c7fb2cbdb78ec900520571e (by Sean Davis)
[10:12] <Unit193> > 4.4.1
[10:12] <bluesabre> ubuntu behind as always on that
[10:16] <Unit193> I mean, it doesn't matter..
[10:16] <bluesabre> yeah :)
[10:16] <bluesabre> how are you Unit193?
[10:16] <Unit193> !info debian-policy eoan
[10:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can't sleep. :(
[10:17] <bluesabre> :(
[10:23] <Unit193> What's up for you this morning?
[10:31] <bluesabre> Just doing some overdue package surgery to xubuntu-artwork
[10:31] <bluesabre> Then... ?
[10:40] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/control: Set Rules-Requires-Root to no @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=b31ec7d1ff212b079c570f21509a2362b46fda69 (by Sean Davis)
[10:40] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/s/lintian-overrides: xubuntu-artwork source: testsuite-autopkgtest-missing @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=a80192b25fc62d02798a2c69d69b0a9d26048f66 (by Sean Davis)
[10:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/control: Lintian fixes for xubuntu-icon-theme transitional package @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=85b3040e0fcb1fd26afa0fec143b3b8b2f42f8b8 (by Sean Davis)
[11:01] <Unit193> Wait, do you know about the thing?
[11:02] <Unit193> https://git.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/barrier.git/commit/?id=7daa0a02c994660888f6307b733f304f1b47d4ad
[11:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: I do now :)
[11:12] <Unit193> \o/
[11:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: do we need to start caring about this soon?
[11:12] <bluesabre> > dh_gconf --priority=20
[11:12] <bluesabre> > dh_gconf: Please migrate to dh_installgsettings; gconf + dh_gconf is scheduled for removal.
[11:13] <Unit193> Yeah, but we can just drop it because it doesn't matter.
[11:13] <Unit193> (Check what's in gconf, it's dated.)
[11:16] <bluesabre> oh I see
[11:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/control: Updated package descriptions (description-is-pkg-name, extended-description-is-probably-t... @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=718182d313975cafd28bdd2cd8cea466a17bf0f1 (by Sean Davis)
[11:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/compat, d/control: Drop d/compat in favor of debhelper-compat, bump to 12 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=f2a9bd2443ac545a07c142eb508bcd01846f2d2e (by Sean Davis)
[11:31] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: d/rules: Drop gh_dconf override, we no longer ship gconf settings @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-artwork/commit/?id=4c91f925f75a5934affe9fa09d0e012139c62f03 (by Sean Davis)
[11:31] <bluesabre> That should be everything
[11:42] <Unit193> \o/


[20:06] <philipballew> pleia2, pm?
[20:08] <raevol> philipballew: hallo
[20:54] <rww> Oh, snap, that's today.
[20:54] <rww> I hopefully will be back in time, might not be though -_-
[20:59] <MichaelPaoli> Berkeley Linux Users Group http://www.berkeleylug.com/ - @ Bobby G's noon - 3pm
[20:59] <darthrobot`> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group]
[21:35] <philipballew> rww, around?
[21:47] <ianorlin> He said he was going somewhere and migh not be back in time for the meeting
[21:48] <ianorlin> what time are meetings at 8pm?
[21:49] <pleia2> 7pm
[21:52] <ianorlin> thanks
[23:17] <pleia2> ubucon schedule \o/ http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/topic/ubucon
[23:18] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubucon | SCALE 12x]
[23:19] <pleia2> well, not quite, but it's properly sorted up on http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale12x/schedule/friday :)
[23:19] <darthrobot`> Title: [Friday, February 22, 2013 | SCALE 12x]
[23:20] <blitz> aww is that all socal


 Big drive!
 Yep, heh
[20:14] <valorie> nice to hear from you @tsimonq2
[20:15] <valorie> happy happy and merry merry
[20:15] <valorie> how are ya?
 @ahoneybun sorry that the UK covid variant has reached you!
 Damn it
 @ahoneybun, Yeah. Was inevitable, but I noticed that the 1st case identified was just outside Denver, so thought immediately of you.
 Well then
 It is probably in many places, but just not caught by sequencing yet.