[00:57] <cowbellemoo> Hi, hi!  Can anyone recommend a print book for learning source management, compilation, and package creation in ubuntu?
[05:29] <RAOF> Any #motu-release here?  I'd like some feedback/acks on a standing freeze exception for the 2 nouveau packages.
[05:34] <RAOF> It's bug #346621 for those playing at home.
[06:36] <RenatoKrause> Good night.
[06:37] <RenatoKrause> Can i help to fix bugs?
[06:40] <dtchen> RenatoKrause: absolutely
[06:41] <hyperair> RenatoKrause: sure, go to http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and see what interests you
[06:41] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: i was reading many pages in international wiki.
[06:41] <hyperair> i see. and?
[06:41] <RenatoKrause> First people, sorry my bad english. I'm brazilian
[06:42] <hyperair> well there are people from all over the place
[06:42] <hyperair> i'm asian for example
[06:42] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: :D
[06:42] <RenatoKrause> i need help to begin help
[06:42] <hyperair> what help do you need?
[06:42] <RenatoKrause> im developer of comercial software a 12 years
[06:42] <hyperair> ooh
[06:43] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: im new and free software comunity
[06:43] <hyperair> that doesn't matter, contributions are always welcome ;)
[06:44] <RenatoKrause> im woking with ubuntu servers. im contribute with translate and documentation but i think i help with computer codes.
[06:44] <RenatoKrause> can i filter bugs by language?
[06:45] <hyperair> language huh...
[06:45] <hyperair> i'm not sure
[06:45] <RenatoKrause> python, c++, etc?
[06:45] <hyperair> i'm not sure
[06:45] <hyperair> the general rule is pick a project you're intersted in
[06:45] <hyperair> and the project's generally written in a certain language
[06:45] <hyperair> like exaile in python, rhythmbox in C, banshee in C#
[06:45] <hyperair> and so on
[06:46] <RenatoKrause> i work with c#
[06:46] <RenatoKrause> what is banshee?
[06:46] <hyperair> it's a media player
[06:46] <hyperair> i maintain co-maintain the package for banshee in debian, and have recently worked on it in ubuntu, though i'm not very good with C#
[06:47] <hyperair> the stuff i can actually patch is C and C++
[06:55] <RenatoKrause> i search and look many packages but not found. im look for c# for server.
[06:56] <hyperair> C# on server?
[06:56] <hyperair> i haven't heard of many C# apps which are supposed to run on servers =\
[06:56] <hyperair> mostly desktop apps
[06:57] <RenatoKrause> python in servers?
[06:58] <hyperair> well...
[06:58] <hyperair> i don't really know
[06:58] <hyperair> aside from some random scripts that is
[07:05] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: can i make a package with a software that dont have .deb?
[07:05] <RenatoKrause> this help the comunity??
[07:06] <hyperair> RenatoKrause: sure it will]
[07:06] <RenatoKrause> i remember the network monitor i used in Slackware.
[07:07] <RenatoKrause> and it not in Ubuntu
[07:07] <hyperair> but currently feature freeze is on, so if you package something new, it won't get in until after the release of jaunty
[07:07] <hyperair> what network monitor is that?
[07:07] <RenatoKrause> http://www.paganini.net/index.cgi/angel/angel.html
[07:08] <hyperair> cool stuff
[07:10] <RenatoKrause> what a i need do after create and test the package?
[07:12] <hyperair> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[07:12] <hyperair> after creating and testing the package?
[07:12] <hyperair> upload to REVU
[07:12] <hyperair> and ask for MOTUs to review your work
[07:12] <hyperair> once two give advocates, it'll be uploaded
[07:12] <hyperair> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[07:14] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: very thanks man.
[07:14] <hyperair> no problem =)
[07:14] <RenatoKrause> you live in the beatiful place of planet. :D
[07:15] <hyperair> haha i'm sure there are many more beautiful places around
[07:17] <RenatoKrause> :D
[07:28] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: if the .deb exists in developer page?
[07:29] <hyperair> RenatoKrause: often, upstream deb packages are not accepted into ubuntu archives. you need to generate source packages which will be uploaded to ubuntu and built there
[07:29] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: thanks ;]
[07:30] <hyperair> no problem
[08:17] <RenatoKrause> * Initial release (Closes: #nnnn)  <nnnn is the bug number of your ITP>
[08:17] <RenatoKrause> What is ITP?
[08:17] <RenatoKrause> hyperair: you know?
[08:19] <StevenK> Intent To Package, a Debian-ism
[08:21] <RenatoKrause> dont understand yet
[08:22] <StevenK> It is a bug filed in Debian's bug tracking system that you intend to package <software>, so the initial upload should close that bug.
[08:24] <RenatoKrause> ;]. i understand now.
[08:24] <RenatoKrause> :D
[08:24] <RenatoKrause> thanks
[08:25] <hyperair> RenatoKrause: if you submit your package to debian, you need to file an itp. if you submit your package to ubuntu but not debian you need to file a needs-packaging bug
[08:27] <RenatoKrause> i must create a bug with need and after put in the changelog file, it is?
[08:55] <hyperair> RenatoKrause: yes
[11:10] <dlynch> is this the right place to ask about package naming? I'm going through the process of making my first package for my ppa
[11:12] <RAOF> Yes.  It's late on a Sunday for some people, so there might not be much response though.
[11:17] <dominiks> dlynch: www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Package - Debian Policy is the best source :)
[11:18] <dlynch> my question is actually very simple.... I'm packaging my own code, and I want to package a beta version 0.0.8 beta 1
[11:19] <dlynch> should I name it something like 0.0.8b1 or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:19] <dlynch> I don't know what the best practice is
[11:19] <Laney> 0.0.8~b1 or <IP_ADDRESS>, as you wish
[11:19] <hyperair> what's the upstream version?
[11:20] <toabctl> hi all
[11:20] <toabctl> how can i get a source-package (apt-get source package) from jaunty when i use intrepid?
[11:20] <dlynch> hyperair: it's the upstream version I'm talking about, sorry I didn't make that clear
[11:20] <hyperair> dlynch: ah you're the upstream author?
[11:20] <dlynch> hyperair: yes
[11:20] <hyperair> toabctl: add the deb-src line for jaunty, then apt-get source bla
[11:21] <dlynch> and this is the first time I've had to think about packaging, so it's all new :)
[11:21] <toabctl> hyperair, is there no other was? maybe with dget?
[11:21] <hyperair> toabctl: there is
[11:21] <hyperair> toabctl: you head to packages.ubuntu.com, search for the dsc you want, and then dget it
[11:22] <toabctl> hyperair, ah. thanks
[11:22] <hyperair> toabctl: =)
[11:22] <hyperair> toabctl: if you're feeling lazy, just use pbuilder-jaunty login
[11:22] <hyperair> and then apt-get source
[11:22] <Laney> or pull-lp-source pkgname
[11:22] <hyperair> eh?
[11:22] <dlynch> dominiks: thanks for that link! I hadn't see that one yet
[11:22] <Laney> what?
[11:23] <hyperair> cool
[11:23] <hyperair> i never knew it existed
[11:23] <toabctl> Laney, pull-lp-source? with bzr?
[11:23] <Laney> no
[11:23] <hyperair> toabctl: no it uses dget
[11:23] <Laney> it's in ubuntu-dev-tools
[11:23] <hyperair> hyperair@hyperair-laptop:/tmp$ pull-lp-source notify-osd
[11:24] <hyperair> Attempting to get notify-osd from release Jaunty...
[11:24] <hyperair> dget: retrieving https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/notify-osd/0.9.6-0ubuntu2/+files/notify-osd_0.9.6-0ubuntu2.dsc
[11:24] <hyperair> cool stuff
[11:24] <hyperair> thanks laney =p
[11:24] <dominiks> dlynch: np.. you should read Debian Policy first.. before trying to make your first package.. good luck :)
[11:24] <toabctl> hyperair, pull-lp-source notify-osd jaunty is the command to get the source from jaunty if you use intrepid
[11:25] <toabctl> hyperair, Laney thanks!
[11:25] <hyperair> toabctl: yes, i was just showing you the first few lines to show you what it does
[11:25] <hyperair> i think it defaults to using the latest release
[11:25] <hyperair> i'm on intrepid
[11:26] <dlynch> dominiks: what do you mean? ;-) this packaging is plenty overwhelming enough: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python
[11:26] <dlynch> and now you're giving me more work hehehe
[11:26] <toabctl> hyperair, for me, not. see: pull-lp-source python-django-registration
[11:26] <toabctl> Unable to find source package 'python-django-registration' in the Intrepid release.
[11:26] <hyperair> works for me
[11:27] <toabctl> hyperair, maybe you have the jaunty-url in your sources.list
[11:27] <geser> toabctl: try adding "jaunty" as an additional parameter
[11:27] <dominiks> dlynch: Debian Policy is boring i know.. but important :)
[11:28] <toabctl> geser, yes. i already tried. it works fine. thanks
[11:28] <dlynch> dominiks: yes, I guess it's one of the keys to their success
[11:31] <dominiks> dlynch: well.. i'm gonna reinstall my system.. cya later and good luck packaging :)
[11:31] <dlynch> dominiks: thanks again and good luck to you too
[13:46] <goshawk> hi RainCT
[14:02] <AnAnt> Hello, how in a pbuilder login, can I fetch dependencies for building a package ? Is there a single command to parse the debian/control and fetches those packages ?
[14:05] <RainCT> AnAnt: AnAnt /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends
[14:05] <RainCT> Hi goshawk
[14:06] <AnAnt> RainCT: no such file or directory, note I am running from a pbuilder login session
[14:06] <RainCT> AnAnt: not sure where it has it then, but that's the script it uses
[14:14] <geser> the script is outside the pbuilder-login
[14:14] <geser> so you need to copy it inside yourself (or install the pbuilder package inside pbuilder)
[14:14] <AnAnt> okm I done this: apt-get install $(grep Build-Depends debian/control | sed -e "s/.*:// ; s/,/ /g ; s/([^)]*)//g")
[14:15]  * sebner winks geser :D
[14:15] <geser> AnAnt: this will work unless you get to B-D alternatives
[14:15]  * geser waves back at sebner
[14:17]  * geser points sebner to http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&search=wink
[14:17] <sebner> *lol*
[14:18] <sebner> geser: what a shame. thx for the hint
[14:21] <joaopinto> I want to fix a package which is working on the latest Debian version but not on Jaunty's, it should be a 4 lines diff, what is the process ?
[14:21] <joaopinto> to close bug 346772
[14:22] <sebner> joaopinto: add a debdiff and subscribe u-u-s?
[14:23] <joaopinto> never did it, let's try :P
[14:24] <sebner> heh
[14:24] <sebner> joaopinto: don't forget to add a changelog entry
[14:24] <joaopinto> I need to check some example, for the Close LP thingy
[14:25] <Laney> joaopinto: Why don't we sync it?
[14:26] <joaopinto> tell me :) I am asking ;)
[14:26] <Laney> you tested the Debian package?
[14:26] <Laney> by rebuilding it on Jaunty
[14:26] <joaopinto> if there are no ubuntu patches, synch should be easier ?
[14:27] <joaopinto> Laney, not rebuilgint yet, because it's python I have only tested the binary package
[14:27] <Laney> ok well if you try building it
[14:27] <geser> is the patch in the Debian package?
[14:27] <Laney> yes
[14:27] <joaopinto> yes
[14:28] <Laney> there is no problem syncing as the new Debian release only contains bugfixes (and minor packaging changes)
[14:28] <Laney> so if it works, go ahead and do that
[14:29] <joaopinto> so I should use a sync requst ?
[14:29] <sebner> joaopinto: yes
[14:29] <sebner> joaopinto: but testbuilding would be recommended
[14:29] <joaopinto> I am testbuilding
[14:29] <Laney> required(!)
[14:29] <sebner> Laney: the same for me :P
[14:32] <joaopinto> I need a FFe ?
[14:34] <joaopinto> janito@janito-desktop:~/getdeb$ requestsync
[14:34] <joaopinto>   File "/usr/bin/requestsync", line 489
[14:34] <joaopinto> requestsync is broken :P
[14:35] <Laney> GETDEB?
[14:35] <Laney> what's the full error?
[14:36] <joaopinto> Laney, what's your problem with GETDEB ?
[14:37] <joaopinto> is it part of the bug :) ?
[14:38] <joaopinto> Laney, you can check 346794
[14:38] <joaopinto> ops, bug 346794
[14:38] <Laney> nice
[14:40] <joaopinto> some missed the " :P
[14:41] <Laney> I pushed it to lp:ubuntu-dev-tools
[14:41] <Laney> you can branch it with bzr
[14:42] <Laney> ...when it finishes
[14:42] <joaopinto> I did a manual fix, tks
[14:56] <joaopinto> Laney, I have filed the request using the tool, it created the bug 346800, is anything else needed on my part ?
[14:56] <Laney> dupe your old bug to that one
[14:56] <Laney> it would have been nice if you said what the point of the sync was
[14:56] <joaopinto> ok, done
[14:57] <joaopinto> Laney, i'll add it to the comments,
[14:58] <joaopinto> done
[14:58] <Laney> thanks
[14:58] <Laney> someone will get to it soon
[15:01]  * Laney -> town
[15:04] <joaopinto> who should I ask to set a bug importance to High ?
[15:06] <geser> importance has no real meaning on sync requests
[15:06] <joaopinto> geser, it's for another bug
[15:07] <joaopinto> for bug 344500
[15:09] <joaopinto> hum, regarding the sync bug priority, shouldn't syncs which fix high importance bugs have higher priority ?
[15:22] <geser> joaopinto: AFAIR the archive admin don't look at the bug importance when processing syncs, so it's useless to change it
[15:23] <joaopinto> geser, don't we have priority in place for bug fixes in general ? Why are syncs managed differently ?
[15:25] <geser> joaopinto: sync request aren't "real" bugs but as with have no better place for this kind of requests we use bugs for it
[15:26] <joaopinto> I have a "real" bug for this, which motivates the sync, now set to duplicate
[15:26] <sebner> joaopinto: sync request acked
[15:26] <joaopinto> sebner, tks
[15:26] <sebner> your're welcome
[15:26] <sebner> *you
[16:55] <jpds> Laney: Did you upload the u-d-t push you did?
[16:55] <jpds> Laney: You might want to (LP: ####) and entry to.
[16:58] <jpds> Oh, you did.
[17:54] <joaopinto> anyone experienced with reprepro ?
[18:20] <fabrice_sp> Hi. What is the status of Bug #345263 and roundcube? It seems that there had been a lot of exchange on the 19th, but then, nothing
[18:23] <Laney> needs a second ack
[18:26] <fabrice_sp_> Laney, ok. So nothing new, then.
[18:56] <YokoZar> Good morning channel
[18:57] <directhex> evenin' scott
[21:19] <porthose> ScottK: would you consider Bug #338408 an SRU candidate?
[21:30] <lukjad007> Hi
[21:30] <jpds> Hello lukjad007.
[21:31] <lukjad007> I was wondering, is there any chance of getting Wesnoth 1.6 in with Jaunty?
[21:31] <lukjad007> http://www.wesnoth.org/start/1.6/
[21:32] <jpds> We're into Beta Freeze right now, and upstream says: "many new features".
[21:33] <pochu> persia was working on it I think
[21:33] <pochu> jpds: IME we want it
[21:33] <jpds> pochu: Oh right.
[21:33] <pochu> persia: were you going to ask for a FFe for Wesnoth 1.6?
[21:33] <directhex> IMHO games should be generally FFe-friendly
[21:34] <directhex> a dist with an old game becomes useless if it has multiplayer components
[21:35] <lukjad007> directhex, And this also creates maps. So, you can't distribute maps in the older version
[21:55] <ScottK> porthose: I'd say not, but I'm not in motu-sru, so who knows .
[21:59] <nhandler> scottk: Could you take a look at Bug #333639 ? james_w appears to be on vacation
[22:00] <porthose> ScottK:  my bad, I thought you where
[22:00] <nhandler> scottk: I want to get your opinion on having wxbanker as a native package
[22:01] <ScottK> nhandler: It'd be better not, but I don't think it's a big deal.
[22:01] <ScottK> It gets done by accident pretty routinely.
[22:02] <nhandler> scottk: Ok. I just wanted to make sure that it wouldn't just get rejected by ubuntu-archive if I uploaded it
[22:03] <dtchen> hyperair: Package banshee version 1.4.3-3~hyper1+hardy1 has an unmet dep:  Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (>= 0.10.8-4)
[22:03] <dtchen> hyperair: do you plan to backport that one, too?
[22:03] <ScottK> At this point, unless it goes to New, they won't even look at it.
[22:03] <hyperair> dtchen: yeah i noticed. i will.
[22:03] <dtchen> hyperair: ok, thanks.
[22:06] <hyperair> dtchen: you were using the previous version of banshee right?
[22:07] <hyperair> dtchen: as in 1.4.3-1~blah
[22:07] <hyperair> dtchen: did it have any issues?
[22:07] <dtchen>  *** 1.4.3-1~hardy1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:07] <hyperair> dtchen: if it didn't i can look into lowering the dependency
[22:07] <dtchen> 1.4.3-1~hardy1 is fine here.
[22:08] <hyperair> aah right. now i know why.
[22:09] <hyperair> looks like i can't do no change backports
[22:09] <hyperair> the equalizer
[22:09] <hyperair> your version of gstreamer doesn't have a good equalizer
[22:12] <dtchen> right. (not a problem, since i pretty much use RB for everything except last.fm intregration)
[22:14] <hyperair> heh i see
[22:14] <hyperair> why not banshee?
[22:17]  * RainCT has just (ie, 2 minutes ago) switched from RB to Banshee :)
[22:17] <dtchen> reliance on taglib, which results in quite a few media not being imported with tags. i have to go back and forcibly write metadata.
[22:18] <dtchen> the answer is "tag your media properly". well, that would be great if the original media were tagged properly (e.g., i purchase quite a bit from amazonmp3)
[22:19] <hyperair> hmm?
[22:19] <hyperair> RainCT: awesome =p
[22:20] <hyperair> dtchen: imported without tags? and rb does it correctly?
[22:20] <dtchen> hyperair: correct
[22:20] <hyperair> how? guessing from filenames?
[22:21] <dtchen> err, it shouldn't be guessing from filenames
[22:21] <dtchen> i suspect it's different id3 versions


[00:35] <xubuntu07w> hi
[00:53] <xubuntu07w> did someone have any knowledge of xkbcomp ?
[00:56] <bazhang> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/xkbcomp.1.html xubuntu07w
[01:30] <rcartax_> hello
[03:32] <xubuntu67w> help
[03:40] <xubuntu67w> how to enable night light on my xubuntu laptop?
[03:53] <qwebirc11394> how to enable night light on my xubuntu laptop?
[03:57] <qwebirc11394> how to enable night light on my xubuntu laptop?
[03:57] <xubuntu67w> how to enable night light on my xubuntu laptop?
[16:26] <alazywor1> Does Xubuntu 18.10 still support 32-bit?
[16:29] <alazywor1> I have an old 32-bit machine running Xubuntu 18.04. Tried do-release-upgrade, but it says no new release.
[16:30] <alazywor1> Yet the xubuntu download page still shows 32-bit options. Why no upgrade?
[16:45] <pleia2> alazywor1: check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to see what it says for Prompt
[16:45] <pleia2> it should be "normal" if you want it to check for non-lts upgrades
[16:48] <alazywor1> pleia2: Thank you, that did the trick.
[16:48] <pleia2> glad to hear it :)
[16:50] <alazywor1> pleia2: actually - no! it went to check and found the new release, but it says 32-bit upgrades are not supported. Even with xubuntu? Only way is to do a clean install?
[16:52] <pleia2> ah, yeah, first line in the release notes :( https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.10/release-notes
[16:53] <pleia2> it probably works, but from the Ubuntu release notes, which we link to: "Users of the i386 architecture will not be allowed to upgrade to Ubuntu 18.10 as dropping support for that architecture is being evaluated and users of it should not be stranded on a release with a shorter support window than the release they are already running."
[16:54] <pleia2> as a flavor, we don't really have control over what Ubuntu does for the underlying system that we rely upon
[16:58] <alazywor1> I see. Thanks :(
[19:21] <Nielzie> mplayer
[19:21] <Nielzie> whoops, wrong terminal windows..
[19:22] <Nielzie> Iḿ using irssi, so mistakes can happen :-P


[05:42] <Alegria_> I have a question, can somebody helpme determine if my tablet is compatible or suitable to install ubuntu on it?
[05:43] <Alegria_> when I turn on my tablet it says it is a "Pierre Cardin" tablet
[05:44] <Alegria_> how can I verify what specifics are needed, like the type of processor, or kernel and those things? As you can see, I'm not very savey about software.
[05:45] <Alegria_> and in case the installation wasn't sucessful, how to revert back to Android
[05:46] <Alegria_> I rather have android than nothing... but if I can change to ubuntu, I'd like to, at least, try to install it.
[07:04] <benonsoftware> ame. ;)
[07:20] <Nycticebuscoucan> Hi to all, since the new ubuntu update my bq aquaris 4.5 crashes from time to time and I found serious problems with OSMScout whicht crashes when I hit the download maps button. Any way to undo the update without lossing data?
[07:20] <duflu> Nycticebuscoucan: You may get better responses in 2-3 hours when the UK logs on
[07:22] <Nycticebuscoucan> ok thank you!
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <sturmflut> http://gizchina.it/2016/02/meizu-pro-5-avvistato-ubuntu-15-04/
[08:43] <sturmflut> Just wanted to drop by and show you the new Meizu Ubuntu Edition phone
[08:47] <popey> heh
[08:50] <core_t> can i have it???
[08:50] <core_t> <3 pro5
[09:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Freedom Day! 😃
[10:07] <devtouch> Hi ... followed ubuntu-touch build image generation for nexus 4 device as per porting guide. After flashing images using "project-rootstock-ng" script, device struck at google logo screen.Any idea/help to overcome this issue?
[10:14] <devtouch> Hi ... followed ubuntu-touch build image generation for nexus 4 device as per porting guide. After flashing images using "project-rootstock-ng" script, device struck at google logo screen.Any idea/help to overcome this issue?
[11:03] <jibel> sturmflut, hi, on bug 1471913, how did you enable logging for the battery driver?
[11:03] <ubot5`> bug 1471913 in Canonical System Image "Battery statistics are incorrect on MTK based devices" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471913
[11:16] <mardy> Elleo: hi! Is it you now taking care of the download manager?
[11:17] <Elleo> mardy: yeah, for the most part I seem to have inherited it
[11:17] <mardy> Elleo: that's good news :-)
[11:17] <Elleo> mardy: not for me :P
[11:18] <mardy> Elleo: do you plan to work on an upload API too?
[11:19] <Elleo> mardy: it's not scheduled but it'd make sense, UDM actually already supports uploads there just aren't any QML bindings for it yet (it already gets used for uploading MMS messages and such)
[11:20] <Elleo> mardy: I'd suggest filing a bug against UDM requesting QML bindings along with your use cases and I'll pass them on to bfiller
[11:20] <Elleo> mardy: so we can see where they should fit in our schedule
[11:22] <mardy> Elleo: actually, it's here already: bug 1407672
[11:22] <ubot5`> bug 1407672 in ubuntu-download-manager "Upload API" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1407672
[11:22] <Elleo> mardy: ah okay
[11:23] <Elleo> mardy: I'll pass that along and see where we can fit it in
[11:25] <mardy> Elleo: thanks a lot, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed :-)
[11:26] <Elleo> mardy: no worries :)
[12:40] <Nycticebuscoucan> Hi to all, since the new ubuntu update my bq aquaris 4.5 crashes from time to time and I found serious problems with OSMScout whicht crashes when I hit the download maps button. Any way to undo the update without loosing data?
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/images-of-meizu-pro-5-with-ubuntu-touch-leaked-online-499707.shtml
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> 21megapixel lol
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> jayteeuk: is it change your nick day ? :p
[14:32] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, whats wrong with 21MP ?
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: nothing wrong, lol because so high :p
[14:33] <ogra_> same as the MX4 ... but a better sensor
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> so good news for the usa guys, being able to buy meizu again now
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> lets hope they release more this time
[15:41] <mcphail> I've just posted a bit of a long email to the mailing list, setting a lighthearted challenge for things I think need improved on the platform. I'd really like to hear some feedback, and would be grateful for any responses. Please forgive the typos (such as my confusing MHL and MTP)!
[16:36] <manbehindthemadn> hey fellas, just popped touch onto my tablet, everything looks pretty legit; however I am having a problem with the preinstalled image, it seems to already have users and passwords configured, how would I go about clearing off that data?
[16:40] <ogra_> MannerMan, if you did that half of the OPS would stop working
[16:40] <ogra_> *OS
[16:40] <ogra_> bah
[16:40] <ogra_> sorry ... didnt notice he had left
[17:31] <mhall119> mariogrip: ready for our call?
[17:31] <mhall119> abeato: ^^
[17:38] <mhall119> mariogrip: ping us when you're around, we've dropped off the hangout for now
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phone-s-unity-8-convergence-progress-captured-in-a-single-photo-499726.shtml
[17:41] <mhall119> oSoMoN: I love that links open new new tabs on the phone now, but is there a way to still open a new window?
[17:42] <oSoMoN> mhall119, no, but it’s in the works
[17:42] <mhall119> ok, cool
[18:02] <manbehindthemadn> where is the screen rez configured in ubuntu-touch? (conf file not UI)
[18:11] <mhall119> manbehindthemadn: you might try asking in #ubuntu-unity or #ubuntu-mir
[18:13] <manbehindthemadn> thx
[21:43] <ubuntulux> hi all
[21:43] <ubuntulux> i have a0n mt6582 with the same characteristics as the bq e4.5
[21:44] <ubuntulux> is it possible to port from bq to my device
[21:44] <ubuntulux> ?
[21:51] <dobey> if you have the AOSP tree and all the drivers, sure, just follow the porting guide
[21:52] <stakewinner00_> Music app sometimes crashes when scrolling the artist list.
[21:55] <ahayzen> stakewinner00_, are you able to retrieve the log file for the music app? From /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/application-click-com.ubuntu.music_music_2.3.964.log and then post onto pastebin.ubuntu.com ?


[02:11] <Unit193> Cheri703: Anyone?
[02:11] <Cheri703> yeah, new guy and his friend, and he'd like to discuss changing the day of the week to accommodate his gf coming too :)
[02:12] <Unit193> What day are you looking at?
[02:13] <Cheri703> maybe tuesday
[17:05] <Derath-Srvr> blah
[17:25] <thafreak> blah


[10:24] <mjt> ogra: in fact, relative path will work just fine too
[10:25] <ogra> mjt: uh, since when ?
[10:25] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/tmp # mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /tmp/point/ ; dmesg | tail -5
[10:25] <briansanders4> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /tmp/point/ busy
[10:25] <briansanders4> same result
[10:25] <mjt> briansanders4: let's put it this way: what kernel says (if anything) when you're trying to mount it, in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log ?
[10:25] <mjt> ogra: since ages ;)
[10:26] <briansanders4> mjt: in flood
[10:26] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: does hdb1 have an /etc/fstab entry? If so, what does it say?
[10:26] <ogra> mjt: hmm, never tried.....i started with linux when it wasnt possible, probably i'm a concrete head.....
[10:26] <Friczy> briansanders4: mount | grep hdb1 What is the result?
[10:26] <mjt> nothing
[10:27] <briansanders4> thoreuputic: /dev/hdb1       /mnt/share      ext2    defaults        0       0
[10:27] <ACIDnet> :@ i hate mp3s!!!
[10:27] <mjt> er
[10:27] <ACIDnet> doing my head in
[10:27] <briansanders4> mjt: nothing
[10:28] <briansanders4> no output
[10:28] <mjt> er
[10:28] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: and a cd to /mnt/share followed by an ls -al shows nothing?
[10:28] <mjt> er er er
[10:28] <briansanders4> thoreauputic: correct
[10:28] <thoreauputic> hrmmm
[10:28] <mjt> ok
[10:28] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:28] <mjt> how about /proc/mounts when?
[10:28] <ogra> ok ?
[10:28] <briansanders4> wow, actually it shows this:
[10:28] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/mnt/share # ls -la
[10:28] <briansanders4> total 8
[10:28] <briansanders4> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Nov 25 20:42 .
[10:28] <briansanders4> drwxr-xr-x    3 root     root         4096 Nov 25 20:42 ..
[10:28] <mjt> this is the real list of mounts
[10:29] <briansanders4> that there are 8 items, but only 2 show
[10:30] <mjt> briansanders4: is your hdb1 shown in /proc/mounts ??
[10:30] <thoreauputic> 'that's only showing current and parent dirs
[10:30] <mjt> "total 8" is 8 Kbytes
[10:30] <briansanders4> mjt: proc/mounts in flood
[10:30] <mjt> not 8 files
[10:30] <briansanders4> ah nm
[10:31] <mjt> oh-huh
[10:32] <ogra> mjt: hmm, /dev2 ?
[10:32] <mjt> briansanders4: try to umount /dev/hdb1 again, and retry.. i think...
[10:32] <mjt> ogra: initrd?
[10:33] <ogra> mjt: seems like, i just recognized it here too....
[10:33] <mjt> ogra: that rootfs and / entries in /proc/mounts are.. funny always
[10:33] <ogra> *grin*
[10:33] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, and what is your recorder problem?
[10:33] <mjt> briansanders4: for some reason mount command thinks it's already mounted
[10:33] <mjt> ubuntu_user: it's solved by upgrading to 2.6.9
[10:34] <ogra> ubuntu_user: which introduced new probs :P
[10:34] <briansanders4> mjt: root@ubuntu:/mnt/share # umount /mnt/share/
[10:34] <briansanders4> umount: /mnt/share/: not mounted
[10:34] <mjt> ok
[10:34] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: be warned that i have other probs now
[10:35] <tim1> i need some help again: when compiling mono apps i get an error because of a missing 'gtk-sharp-2.0.pc'
[10:36] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, now my cdrecord works but nautilus cd-recorder not...
[10:36] <thoreauputic> tim1: you have all the gtk-2 development libraries ?
[10:36] <bob2> tim1: go to http://packages.debian.org/ and find which package that's in
[10:36] <StolenShoeBox> does anyone know a good cd burning app?
[10:37] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: you're doing better than i am ;)
[10:37] <tim1> bob2: i did that and the packages are already installed
[10:37] <bob2> tim1: pretty sure it would be in libgtk-cil, tho
[10:37] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: yes but it's KDE, not Gnome
[10:37] <bob2> nautilus is a fine program for making data cds
[10:37] <bob2> tim1: you have libgtk-cil, as well as 'mono'?
[10:37] <ogra> tim1: what app is this ? in libgtk-cil has 'gtk-sharp.pc'
[10:38] <tim1> i have libgtk-cil installed
[10:38] <tim1> funny thing is: beagle compiles, whereas muine and others do not
[10:38] <ogra> tim1: there is only 'gtk-sharp.pc' not 'gtk-sharp-2.0.pc'
[10:38] <bob2> muine is in ubuntu already
[10:39] <tim1> bob2: not 0.7.0
[10:39] <ogra> tim1: and other mono packages are in tsengs repo
[10:39] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, and my drive dma is not enable...
[10:39] <Setite> bwa
[10:40] <tim1> mh
[10:41] <bob2> well, the 0.6.3 build system looks sane
[10:42] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, so k3b? laste time I isnatlled taht it mest my system up.
[10:42] <bob2> hm, yeah, it's changed in 0.7.0
[10:42] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: works for me (TM)
[10:43] <Pyraine> how do i get floppy discs to work?
[10:43] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, so jsut install it with the package manager and tahts it?
[10:43] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: my orig problem was that cdrecord would not write to my burner (although i could read from it)
[10:43] <briansanders4> after upgrading to 2.6.9, it burns no problem (although it gives some errors on startup)
[10:43] <briansanders4> however, now i have other problems with a second harddrive not mounting correctly....that's all I know :)
[10:43] <bob2> the trick is to not run it as root
[10:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: you have to regard certain things, else X will break from k3b
[10:43] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: I doubt it was k3b that "messed your system up" by the way :)
[10:43] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: should I even use k3b can i use something easy? lol
[10:43] <bob2> thoreauputic: people run it as root, then it fucks up their X authority files
[10:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: depends what you want, nautilus is fine for data
[10:44] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: i wont to burn audio cds
[10:44] <StolenShoeBox> want*
[10:44] <ogra> bob2: unfortunately there is no other way then to run k3bsetup then as root ;)
[10:44] <tim1> bob2: the configure script in 0.6.3 works for me, the ne autogen.sh in 0.7 does not
[10:44] <bob2> that's pretty sick
[10:44] <ogra> bob2: thats kde
[10:44] <bob2> tim1: yes, I know, look at configure.in
[10:45] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, now i remember my old P2, with slackware 9.1 kernel 2.4, nothing of this problems, totaly working with no extra force.. but slowly.. :)
[10:45] <ogra> bob2: as _i_ know it
[10:45] <bob2> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GTKSHARP,
[10:45] <bob2>                   gtk-sharp-2.0 >= $GTKSHARP_REQUIRED \
[10:45] <Pyraine> please can somebody tell me how to get my floppy drive to work?
[10:45] <bob2> tim1: maybve removing all the -2.0 bits from that block will fix it?
[10:45] <StolenShoeBox> ok guys so what should I get?
[10:45] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: so probably take k3b, look at the wiki, there is an installation howto
[10:45] <Pyraine> i think i need to rename the folder fd to fd0 but i don't know how
[10:45] <bob2> Pyraine: 'work'? you want to mount a floppy disk?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> bob2: yes, I learned to blow .Xauthority away to fix k3b problems ;)
[10:45] <olivier> Hi. I'm trying to use debootstrap to get a debian stable in my ubuntu, but debootstrap (0.2.45ubuntu15) want to mount /sys (mount: mount point /sys does not exist) inside my chroot (I assume it wants to do like on my ubuntu - I got sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)). How can I change this behaviour to get it working ?
[10:45] <Pyraine> yes
[10:45] <Setite> does Ubuntu have ntfs read/write support OOTB?
[10:46] <StolenShoeBox> ogra ill give it a shot but last time i looked for it i couldnt fidn it
[10:46] <Pyraine> i have drivers for my modem on floppy disc but i can't get them on
[10:46] <bob2> Pyraine: 'mount /floppy/' in a terminal
[10:46] <Pyraine> ook i will try that now
[10:46] <bob2> Setite: no, write support does not work under linux
[10:46] <bob2> unless you use captive-ntfs is which is a errible hack
[10:46] <StolenShoeBox> any why can only one program use sound at a time?
[10:46] <Setite> errible?
[10:47] <bob2> terrible.
[10:47] <bob2> if you want that, then afaik you need to build your own kernel
[10:48] <Setite> yea i heard that is how you do it
[10:48] <Setite> but i recall seeing a project that didnt require that... lemme go see if i bookmarked it
[10:48] <cyph> whoo, got ndiswrapper going
[10:48] <bob2> some people really mess up the wiki for no apparent reason
[10:49] <ogra> bob2: yep
[10:49] <ogra> bob2:very bad
[10:49] <Setite> bob2 PM
[10:49] <bob2> Setite: no
[10:49] <Setite> ok is this good
[10:50] <Setite> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[10:50] <thoreauputic> some anti-KDE zealot perhaps?
[10:50] <ogra> hmm, funny, o find it if i'm logged in
[10:50] <ogra> but not if i'm anonymous
[10:50] <zenwhen> thoreauputic,
[10:50] <zenwhen> link me to the article in question
[10:50] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[10:50] <bob2> Setite: yes, that's captive ntfs
[10:50] <Setite> is it good?
[10:50] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: thx
[10:51] <Setite> i want to be able to play mp3s from an NTFS partition if possible
[10:51] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: sorry I don't follow? I was commenting on why someone might have deleted the k3b howto
[10:51] <zenwhen> oh
[10:51] <zenwhen> ok
[10:51] <zenwhen> I like k3b
[10:51] <bob2> Setite: you can do that without any hacks, you just can't modify them
[10:51] <zenwhen> that article was helpful
[10:51] <ogra> thoreauputic: as i said, you cant find it if not logged in......i think i file a bug....
[10:52] <bob2> ogra: please do
[10:52] <zenwhen> I wouldnt touch a single other KDE app tho :P
[10:52] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: I kind of like kworldclock *grin*
[10:52] <Setite> ok for modification i need to modify my kernel?
[10:52] <zenwhen> lol
[10:52] <thoreauputic> can't think of others...
[10:53] <thoreauputic> unless you count xpenguins, of course...
[10:53] <bob2> Setite: if really need to be able to write to it, then captive ntfs is the only choice I'm aware of
[10:53] <Setite> ok
[10:53] <tim1> bob2: i tried to modify the configure script but it seems to cause more problems then it solves, it hink i'll just have to wait for binary package or the new bindings
[10:54] <mati`> hey
[10:54] <cenerentola> hey
[10:54] <mati`> i want to request cds, i understand that they are free, but are the shipmet charges free too?
[10:55] <mati`> shipment
[10:55] <thoreauputic> mati`: yes
[10:55] <bob2> mati`: of course
[10:55] <mati`> that must cost a lot to them
[10:55] <cyph> yeah, they shipped them overseas to the US too
[10:56] <cenerentola> mati`: so it's better if u can order some more cds.. and then
[10:56] <mati`> hmm
[10:56] <cenerentola> give them away/divide them with friend
[10:56] <ogra> #4990 filed :)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> mati`: they have an agreement with Santa ;)
[10:57] <Setite> one more question... so captive is how you read and write... but just reading can be done with the kernel? because i want both but I have a buddy who just needs to be able to read ntfs
[10:57] <mati`> yaay ! :)
[10:57] <Klaw> right who stole my name 'pyraine' ?
[10:57] <Setite> should have registered it
[10:57] <Klaw> but why would anyone want to steal that name?
[10:57] <Klaw> i made it up!
[10:57] <cyph> Klaw: if you registered it, ghost it
[10:58] <Klaw> i never registered it =\
[10:58] <bob2> Setite: just mount it like you mount a normal partition, with filesystem type 'ntfs'
[10:58] <troskal> Tyra munni ma tellisin kah endale Ubuntu raisk nahhui!
[10:58] <cyph> and uh, it's not stolen, it's your old client not getting bumped by the server yet :P
[10:58] <Klaw> i just dont see why anyone would want to steal a name i made up
[10:58] <mati> bye
[10:58] <cyph> it has the same IP as you do
[10:58] <cyph> give it a few minutes
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Klaw: see cyph's comment
[10:58] <Setite> bob2... and ubuntu can read it already?
[10:59] <bob2> Setite: yes
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Klaw: the server thinks you are still here under that name
[10:59] <Setite> awesome... and fedora does not right
[10:59] <Klaw> oooh
[10:59] <bob2> I'd assume fedora would, too
[10:59] <ogra> Klaw: register it as soon as you can :)
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Klaw: when it expires, you can register it
[10:59] <bob2> any modern distribution could
[11:00] <Klaw> so as i was saying..
[11:00] <Setite> well i thought fedora had all ntfs disabled
[11:00] <Klaw> i can't mount floppy because 'filesystem' was not recognized
[11:00] <ogra> Klaw: its a dos filesystem ?
[11:00] <Setite> i was told that when i tried fedora... ah well... im past fedora anyway... it was evil
[11:00] <bob2> Klaw: you'd need to show us the whole command you ran, and the full output
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Klaw: edit /etc/fstab, change `auto` to vfat
[11:00] <Klaw> i typed
[11:00] <Klaw> mount \floppy\
[11:01] <ogra> Klaw: thoreauputic is right
[11:01] <Klaw> like i was told to
[11:01] <TTilus> lo and behold!  removing all the confs from my homedir helped, sawfish starts in a snap compared to previous minutes of hanging
[11:01] <Klaw> i cant auto anything
[11:01] <Klaw> sorry
[11:01] <Klaw> i cant edit
[11:01] <Klaw> anything
[11:01] <TTilus> now just have to find out what it was and report it...  if i ever find  :)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Klaw: uh, forward slashes in Linux
[11:01] <Klaw> when i did forward slashes it said command not recognized
[11:01] <bob2> erm
[11:01] <ogra> Klaw: then copy and paste: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy
[11:02] <Klaw> i need a pen and paper
[11:02] <ogra> Klaw: sorry, better: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:02] <TTilus> Klaw: mount \floppy\ tries to mount "floppy " which propably doesnt exist
[11:02] <TTilus> backslash is for escaping
[11:02] <netdur> would someone chat with me on private?
[11:03] <ogra> TTilus: trose to mount loppy
[11:03] <ogra> tries
[11:03] <thoreauputic> netdur: why, are you lonely?
[11:03] <TTilus> netdur: what are you wearing  :D
[11:03] <toptnc> hi all
[11:03] <Klaw> right so tell me
[11:03] <xskoulax> merry xmas all
[11:03] <thoreauputic> haha @ TTilus
[11:03] <Klaw> to mount a floppy, what do i need to edit, and what do i need to type?
[11:03] <toptnc> i have installed ubuntu warhty in a compaq armada 1500c and i can't configure the sound card
[11:04] <toptnc> lspci doesn't list it
[11:04] <bob2> Klaw: you just need to type what ogra said
[11:04] <cenerentola> ive just re-installed ubuntu on my bro's computer..
[11:04] <ogra> Klaw: exactly...(and beware of typos) : mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:04] <netdur> I need help but not about ubuntu, I develop some js script, I need someone how uses firefox to do small test for me
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Klaw: if you type the command you were given, it should mount
[11:04] <Klaw> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy?
[11:04] <ogra> Klaw: yep :)
[11:04] <netdur> how who*
[11:04] <Klaw> but there is no fd0 it's just fd, and i can't rename it
[11:04] <cenerentola> and after launching the kernel... its says.. "stage1/stage2" error..
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Klaw: erm.. that seems unlikely to say the least
[11:05] <netdur> so if someone free
[11:05] <Klaw> hmm:S i was here the yesterday and i was told to rename fd to fd0 with something like sudo
[11:06] <xskoulax> anyone got 4g ipods running with ubuntu yet?
[11:06] <ogra> Klaw: thats nonsense
[11:06] <TTilus> Klaw: can you find computer --> desktop settings --> removable media  (or something like that, i do gnome in finnish so...)
[11:06] <cenerentola> xskoulax: is it an arm?
[11:07] <xskoulax> huh, ARM?
[11:07] <Klaw> im not sure i wish it didnt take me so long to find ouyt
[11:07] <Klaw> i would have to reboot load ubuntu, check, reboot, load windows, then tell you
[11:07] <cenerentola> can you run xskoulax what kind of processor are they powered by?
[11:08] <Klaw> i will just check see if mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy works
[11:08] <Klaw> brb
[11:08] <xskoulax> cenerentola, its a mp3 player
[11:08] <sjoerd> cenerentola: i think he wants to use it with his ubuntu computer not run ubunto on it
[11:08] <xskoulax> made by apple
[11:08] <TTilus> Klaw: write the previous down and try it if mount spells fail
[11:08] <xskoulax> yea sjoerd had it
[11:08] <cenerentola> sjoerd: ok..
[11:08] <xskoulax> thats what i'm checking
[11:08] <sjoerd> xskoulax: it doesn't work if you just plug it in ?
[11:08] <cenerentola> xskoulax: yes..
[11:09] <netdur> someone please!
[11:09] <xskoulax> dunno yet laptop is running ubuntu but only has usb not usb2
[11:09] <xskoulax> desktop has no os right now
[11:09] <cenerentola> xskoulax: ok so..
[11:09] <ogra> netdur: just post the url.... if yomeone has time s/he will look
[11:09] <xskoulax> and if windows fails to co-operate on this install the fucking cd will become lots of little sharp peices
[11:09] <cenerentola> xskoulax: u need to download gnupod, gtkpod, or guipod.
[11:10] <cenerentola> xskoulax: don't worry it will work even on usb..
[11:10] <xskoulax> nice
[11:11] <cenerentola> xskoulax: just go on that progz website.. and follow the guides..
[11:11] <thoreauputic> xskoulax: don't do it - your Christmas tree might spontaneously reboot ;)
[11:11] <gwildor> rofl
[11:11] <xskoulax> heh
[11:11] <cenerentola> you can also use http://armin.emx.at/ipod but if you'll only use it as mp3 player.. the above ones will do the jov
[11:12] <cenerentola> s/jov/job
[11:12] <cenerentola> ok buona notte a tutti/good night everyone..
[11:12] <cenerentola> buon natale
[11:12] <cenerentola> ciao
[11:12] <xskoulax> gn
[11:12] <xskoulax> thx for the info
[11:12] <cenerentola> nothing...ciao
[11:12] <Setite> who is here 100% ms-free
[11:13] <cenerentola> me
[11:13] <gwildor> me
[11:13] <Setite> haha it sounds like a disease
[11:13] <gwildor>  lol
[11:13] <gwildor> i dont even use MS hardware....mouse keyboard, not even an Xbox
[11:13] <Setite> xbox is not that bad
[11:14] <gwildor> no, i WOULD buy one......im broke
[11:14] <Setite> for a console its pretty good
[11:14] <gwildor> imo its 100 times better than ps2
[11:14] <Setite> wouldnt go that far
[11:14] <gwildor> alrght.....
[11:14] <Setite> PS2 kills it in selection
[11:14] <gwildor> hardware wise it is.......maybe not software titles
[11:14] <Setite> xbox is a superior console... but sony is kicking ass with releases
[11:14] <thoreauputic> I didn't *choose* them though
[11:14] <PotajiTo> I use an intelli mouse, the first optical mouse that ms released, like 3-4 years ago, it works perfect
[11:14] <Setite> i dont have an MS keyboard... i thought i did
[11:15] <Setite> turned out it was logitech
[11:15] <cenerentola> gwildor: well im working on xbox's fatx on 2.6 without owning one..
[11:15] <Setite> and i have the airflo mouse
[11:15] <Setite> the fans broke though
[11:15] <Setite> i was pissed
[11:15] <sid77> Setite: here I am :)
[11:15] <Setite> who are you
[11:15] <Setite> cara?
[11:15] <gwildor> PotajiTo, thoreauputic, i have the intellimouse clone....cheap one by "silicone harbor"
 who is here 100% ms-free
[11:15] <Setite> oh ok
[11:16] <PotajiTo> i've to recongnise that this mouse wasn't cheap, but as I say it works
[11:16] <gwildor> oh, mine works great...even for a cheapo
[11:16] <Setite> silicone or silicon?
[11:16] <gwildor> silicon harbor
[11:16] <gwildor> sorry
[11:16] <thoreauputic> I wanted to replace my mouse with a hamster, but the people in the shop tried to call the police
[11:16] <Setite> ok got scared for a moment
[11:17] <gwildor> why,m what issilicone harbor?
[11:17] <Setite> yea man... you cant be plugging USB in the back of a hamster...
[11:17] <ogra> thoreauputic: ah, wireless....
[11:17] <PotajiTo> I bought a trust one and only resits like 6months
[11:17] <Setite> silicone is titty
[11:17] <gwildor> lol
[11:17] <Setite> fake titties... so i was wondering
[11:17] <gwildor> i just grab and click around with a breast all day
[11:17] <Setite> thats be neat...
[11:17] <Setite> a nipple for the scroller
[11:17] <gwildor> hell yeah
[11:17] <gwildor> lol
[11:18] <Setite> hmmmm i said that nipple part first
[11:18] <Setite> i should go patent it
[11:18] <bob2> come on folks
[11:18] <Setite> nah... too tired
[11:18] <Setite> yes bob? should we clean it up?
[11:18] <gwildor> sorry bob2......im done
[11:18] <Setite> kiddies in the room?
[11:18] <ogra> apparently
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:18] <Setite> hey man... im talking about a male nipple... perfectly legal :)
[11:19] <gwildor> ubuntu has male nipples on the CD cover
[11:19] <Setite> jk... dont need to rub a male n*****
[11:19] <bob2> no kiddies, but this seems a tad off-topic
[11:20] <Setite> i suppose... it's fun to get off topic every once in a while
[11:20] <bob2> sure
[11:20] <Setite> this channel has no mods?
[11:20] <gwildor> they dont aadvertise
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bob2: well, it isn't actually Sunday yet, but....
[11:20] <bob2> if by 'mods' you mean, 'channel operators', it has lots
[11:20] <bob2> haha.
[11:20] <ogra> Setite: there always is one if the channel needs one
[11:20] <Setite> mods... ops... you know what i meant
[11:20] <Setite> im a forum guy... so mods is what i think of them ass
[11:20] <Setite> as*
[11:20] <bob2> spammers need a new union
[11:21] <ogra> heh
[11:21] <bob2> apparently they have to work on christmas day!
[11:21] <Pyraine> hmm
[11:21] <gwildor> lol
[11:21] <xskoulax> hehe
[11:21] <Pyraine> still problem
[11:21] <Setite> spam song?
[11:21] <Setite> wait... i dont wnat to know
[11:22] <ogra> xskoulax: hehe
[11:22] <gwildor> it bring more spam...like the rain dance
[11:22] <Pyraine> i type the command in, double click floppy and then it says 'Mount: I could not determine the file sytem type, and none was specified'
[11:22] <bob2> don't you have anything *without* spam?
[11:22] <ogra> lol
[11:23] <bob2> Pyraine: you ran the command ogra gave you?
[11:23] <Pyraine> yes
[11:23] <ogra> Pyraine: but you used -t vfat ?
[11:23] <Pyraine> i typed
[11:23] <Pyraine> mount -t vfat/dev/fd0/media/floppy
[11:23] <bob2> that's not what ogra said
[11:23] <ogra> Pyraine: and the spaces ?
[11:24] <Pyraine> oh
[11:24] <bob2> 08:04:10           ogra |  Klaw: exactly...(and beware of typos) : mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Pyraine:  you need some spaces in there
[11:24] <bob2> the spaces are important
[11:24] <ogra> (and beware of typos)
[11:24] <ogra> *g*
[11:25] <ogra> bob2: btw the decision for auto in fstab is pretty bad for floppies....
[11:25] <bob2> it is?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> something needs to be done about these peers -  always resetting connections!
[11:26] <bob2> iirc auto works fine with vfat and ext2, which seem to be the only things you find on floppies
[11:26] <ogra> bob2: mounting without -t doesnt work....
[11:26] <bob2> if you specify a device to mount, it ignores fstab completely
[11:26] <bob2> 'mount /floppy' should work fine
[11:26] <ogra> bob2: auto seems not to work on floppies
[11:26] <bob2> hm
[11:27] <bob2> hrm, it seems I don't actually have any floppy drives anymore
[11:27] <thoreauputic> my experience agrees with ogra's
[11:27] <El_Che> hey, any idea why any program that is supposed to run as root fail in gnome after typing the correct password?
[11:27] <bob2> can one of you guys file a bug then?
[11:27] <bob2> El_Che: you typed your password, right?
[11:27] <El_Che> yep
[11:27] <ogra> bob2: canonical really lacks old HW
[11:27] <ogra> El_Che: your user password ?
[11:28] <El_Che> bob2: failed to run gdmsetup as root
[11:28] <El_Che> ogra: root passwd
[11:28] <ogra> El_Che: wont work
[11:28] <El_Che> lol
[11:28] <El_Che> idd user passwd works
[11:28] <ogra> El_Che: root is disabled na dall the gui tools use gksudo
[11:28] <ogra> and all
[11:28] <El_Che> i could login in the shell with the root passwd
[11:28] <El_Che> sudo passwd root
[11:29] <bob2> yes, because yo uset a root password
[11:29] <bob2> but all the tools still use gksudo
[11:29] <Mithrandir> is there a known fix for the parted-eats-partition-tables-and-makes-windows-unbootable problem?
[11:29] <El_Che> ok, just getting used to the rootless thing
[11:29] <El_Che> :)
[11:29] <gwildor> ogra, when i try to launch synaptic form fluxbox menu, it ask for pass, but user pass doesnt work.......
[11:29] <ogra> El_Che: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:29] <bob2> ogra: hah, that's the distro team's department ;)
[11:29] <ogra> gwildor: i'm not talking about flux
[11:30] <gwildor> nvm...........
[11:30] <gwildor> i know
[11:30] <gwildor> sorry
[11:30] <ogra> bob2: i'm still collecting ISA cards for tests....
[11:30] <ogra> :)
[11:30] <gwildor> ogra, i guess i was aking if you knew why, but am too stupid to just come out and ask
[11:30] <Simira> help
[11:30] <El_Che> thx, guys, setting up ubuntu for the parents. They seem to like it.
[11:30] <ApesMa> At boot, I get the message "VFS - can't find ext3 on dev hda6"  This is understandable; I made /dev/hda6 reiserfs. I've found a bunch of documentation of Gnome VFS online, but not a darn thing that says what configuration files it looks in if any. Why is VFS thinking I should have an ext3 file system there?
[11:31] <ogra> gwildor: there must be a setup with gksu in flux then :)
[11:31] <bob2> it's not a gnome vfs thing
[11:31] <bob2> it's a kernel thing
[11:31] <bob2> ApesMa: you built your own kernel?
[11:31] <gwildor> ogra, ond i need to change that to "gksudo", or enable root?
[11:31] <ogra> ApesMa: so you are using either reiser or xfs as root fs
[11:31] <DeepSpaceAnt> when is the usplash for ubuntu going to be up and running?
[11:32] <ogra> ApesMa: you can ignore it, in the initrd image is a probe for ext3 that doesnt find it ....
[11:32] <LinuxSanta> hmmmmmm
[11:32] <acetech> im thinking of switching to ubuntu
[11:32] <ogra> ApesMa: ...because its reiser
[11:33] <gwildor> do it
[11:33] <acetech> i am running testing on debian now
[11:33] <ogra> ApesMa: same goes for xfs
[11:33] <acetech> is the ubuntu stable better than debian testing?
[11:33] <ogra> acetech: ubuntu stable i sbetter then anything ;)
[11:33] <thoreauputic> acetech: is purple better than green?
[11:34] <ogra> acetech: but in the end there is debian under the hood
[11:34] <acetech> how can i switch my system over to ubuntu stable from debian testing?
[11:35] <gwildor> just change the repos.........
[11:35] <toptnc> someone have configured sound in a compaq armada 1500c??
[11:36] <ApesMa> ogra: Thanks! I'm trying to get rid of those messages at the beginning so that they don't scare my sister. :)
[11:36] <ogra> ApesMa: oh, getting rid of this one is easy, use ext3 ;)
[11:37] <ogra> ApesMa: or tell her to ignore it....
[11:37] <acetech> is there an easy method to witch to ubuntu from a debian system?
[11:37] <ferris> can I get some program installation help?
[11:37] <ogra> acetech: from woody to stable yes....
[11:38] <acetech> orgra, from testing to stable
[11:38] <ogra> acetech: from testing to stable ... dunno, you have to downgrade some things i guess....if your testing is uptodate
[11:39] <Deamon> can anybody explant to me how I can set a different DNS and Gateway?
[11:39] <Deamon> explain**
[11:39] <ogra> acetech: sarge to warty is not officially supported .....
[11:39] <thoreauputic> ferris: hard to say until you ask :)
[11:39] <ferris> i am trying to install bitdefender antivirus the file is a '.deb' file.
[11:39] <acetech> orga: should i go from testing to testing then?
[11:39] <ogra> Deamon: try the network tool from the computer->system tools menu
[11:40] <Deamon> ok.
[11:40] <ogra> acetech: look in the wiki for instructions....
[11:40] <Deamon> tnx
[11:40] <ferris> under knoppix, i could import it to the synamptic pack. man. but i do not see how to do it with ubuntu
[11:40] <thoreauputic> ferris: any particular reason you are tryin to install antivirus on Linux?
[11:40] <driander> alguien save omo puedo montar mi movil
[11:40] <Pyraine> bah im full of problems
[11:40] <Agrajag> ferris: is this for a mailserver or something?
[11:40] <driander> que lo tengo conectado por usb
[11:40] <Agrajag> driander: ingles aqui
[11:40] <ferris> i know that there is only about 50 virus written that affect linux, better to be safe than sorry
[11:40] <Pyraine> it now says i must be 'root' which i don't think i got asked to set the pass for so i don't know it
[11:41] <Pyraine> is there a default root pass for ubuntu?
[11:41] <mjt> which package in ubuntu "messes" with devmapper during boot?
[11:41] <ferris> no... this is my laptop
[11:41] <Agrajag> #ubuntu-es para espanol
[11:41] <Mithrandir> Pyraine: no, we use sudo
[11:41] <Pyraine> sudo?
[11:41] <ogra> Pyraine: use sudo in front of the command and give it _your_ pw
[11:41] <Agrajag> at least I think that's the channel
[11:41] <Agrajag> ferris: there is no need for an antivirus
[11:41] <Pyraine> so i type what? sudo password mount -t etc etc.
[11:41] <fhd> is this the right channel for hoary issues?
[11:41] <ogra> Pyraine: and dont forget a space between sudo and mount ;)
[11:42] <ogra> Pyraine: drop passwd
[11:42] <Pyraine> ok thanks
[11:42] <thoreauputic> ferris: the point is, these "viruses" are harmless - you don't really need antivirus unless you handle mail from windows systems
[11:42] <Agrajag> any viruses out there a. probably affect older software and b. cannot attack your system unless you're doing everything as root
[11:42] <ogra> Pyraine: just sudo mount
[11:42] <LeeColleton> I have an ISA modem that isn't being picked up by wvdialconf.  It worked with Windows 95 so it should work with Ubuntu, right?
[11:42] <bob2> with pain, probably
[11:42] <Agrajag> no
[11:42] <bob2> it'd be best to ask on the user list
[11:43] <Agrajag> not without a lot of work most liely
[11:43] <Agrajag> likely
[11:43] <ferris> I am only installing software from root.
[11:43] <ogra> ferris: could you point us to a source with a listing of this 50 viruses ?
[11:43] <bob2> er, it'll probably just show up as a serial port?
[11:43] <Agrajag> winmodems are hit-or-miss in linux
[11:43] <Agrajag> oh right, ISA are moslty hardware
[11:43] <Agrajag> hm
[11:43] <Agrajag> does ubuntu do ISA PnP?
[11:43] <bob2> I've never seen a non-hardware isa modem
[11:43] <thoreauputic> ferris: trust us, you don't need antivirus
[11:43] <ferris> i read it in one of my books
[11:44] <ferris> ok
[11:44] <Agrajag> I remember trying to get an PnP ISA NIC working in redhat years ago
[11:44] <bob2> ferris: you really don't need to worry about that
[11:44] <Agrajag> I ended up getting a PCI one
[11:44] <bob2> just keep up to date with security fixes
[11:44] <mjt> heh.. it IS a good idea to "worry" about viruses
[11:44] <mjt> i mean, don't run random attached executables and stuff like that
[11:44] <ogra> ferris: you should throw away this book....if it doesnt give you sources of information of such a ill assumption
[11:45] <etorix> bitdefender is prolly in knoppix for live-cd windows virus-removal
[11:45] <LeeColleton> My modem is most definitely a hardware modem.  33.6k  I've set the jumpers to PNP and it shows up on the bios boot screen, but wvdialconf says "no modem detected"
[11:45] <mjt> and there ARE several viruses for linux
[11:45] <bob2> mjt: it's very very hard to get infected
[11:45] <xskoulax> etorix, i think thats the install option isn't it?
[11:45] <ogra> mjt: source ? url ?
[11:45] <mjt> well.. not really THAT hard
[11:46] <bob2> I've known one linux user, ever, to be infected with a virus
[11:46] <mjt> the thing is: linux isn't popular, so not many "hackers" write viruses for it
[11:46] <bob2> and that was due to running redhat 5.2 with no security updates
[11:46] <etorix> if there was a virus for linux wed be so onit
[11:46] <etorix> on it*
[11:46] <bob2> mjt: what do you see as a useful way to infect people?
[11:46] <ogra> mjt: please no fud here
[11:46] <mjt> fud?
[11:46] <mjt> which fud?
[11:46] <ferris> i do not recall where i saw it but the general statement is that there is about 66000 viruses for MS product, 3000 for MACs and about 50 that affect linux
[11:46] <etorix> it wouldnt be unknown for more than a few minutes
[11:46] <thoreauputic> mjt: aha - "Hello I'm a linux virus! Please save me to hard drive, then (as root), run chmod +x virus. Then plese run ./virus "
[11:47] <ogra> mjt: yeah....assumptions, unprovean things
 the thing is: linux isn't popular, so not many "hackers" write viruses for it
[11:47] <Ribs> 'crackers'
[11:47] <Ribs> Make sure you know the difference
[11:47] <PotajiTo> 3000 viruses for mac?
[11:47] <mjt> compare amount of installation of win and linux -- there's just NO REASON to wrote viruses for linux nowadays.. at least not yet
[11:47] <Ribs> PotajiTo, I would assume that included 68k machines as well
[11:47] <xskoulax> ferris, even if that statement is true, the people developing linux make updates every day not just once a year
[11:48] <mjt> that's not fud, that's fact
[11:48] <bob2> mjt: the majority of the world's web servers run linux
[11:48] <ogra> Ribs: it doesnt matter its an assumption that tries to scare ppl
[11:48] <bob2> mjt: and you'll note that they suffer far less attacks than MS products seem to
[11:48] <bob2> successful ones, anyway
[11:48] <Ribs> ogra, You should know better, however. Crackers != Hackers.
[11:48] <mjt> there are numerous rootkits out there, exploiting old apache/ssl or ssh/ssl bugs for example
[11:48] <etorix> its ten years since i saw a Mac virus
[11:48] <mjt> or old lpd bugs, or old bind/named bugs etc
[11:48] <bob2> anyway, this is kinda off-topic, we'll find out the truth soon enough...
[11:49] <etorix> rootkits aint viruses
[11:49] <ferris> ogra: is there a way for a virus to automatically run and install on a linux box, when logged in as a super user?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> mjt:  root kit != virus
[11:49] <ogra> Ribs: no matter how you name them in a unproven statement that is fud in my eyes
[11:49] <sid77> guys, please keep down the discussion this channe lshould talk about ubuntu :)
[11:49] <etorix> and all the rootkits are known
[11:49] <ferris> what is 'fud'?
[11:49] <bob2> etorix: I really doubt that is true
[11:49] <ogra> ferris: fear uncertainy and doubt
[11:50] <thoreauputic> ferris: you shouldn't "log in" as root anyway - hence su and sudo
[11:50] <etorix> fear and uncertainty
[11:50] <mjt> the general rule: keep your system uptodate wrt bugs etc, and don't run random attachments - it's good rule for every OS.
[11:50] <xskoulax> ferris i would venture to say an uptodate linux install without anti-virus is safer than a uptodate windows box with uptodate anti-virus software
[11:51] <ogra> xskoulax: lol, good comparison
[11:51] <xskoulax> also with linux you won't have windows xp's chkdsk trying to kill 10.8gbs worth of data on you
[11:52] <ferris> i have been using linux for about a week
[11:52] <ferris> it is great
[11:52] <xskoulax> data saved \o/
[11:52] <mjt> about a year ago i was cleaning up a mess caused by some random crap which installed some spam-sending engine on a linux webserver on a machine of a friend of mine. i wasn't able to detect how that stuff has been installed, because he noticied that long after the "breakout".  About two months later i tried to send his "virus" to another friend via email and our antivirus on mailserver rejected it as "linux virus"
[11:52] <ferris> it is definately a different way of looking at computing
[11:53] <ogra> mjt: funny....
[11:53] <mjt> i'm trying to find it.. but not much nope
[11:54] <mjt> about 2 years ago there was a massive "press campaign" - many antivirus vendors reported they're now abot to detect "first linux virus" too
[11:54] <mjt> s/abot/able/
[11:54] <xskoulax> linux is not immune, buts windows in comparison has full blown aids
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ferris: because, funnily enough, we *can* look - nothing is hidden
[11:54] <ferris> I like MS windows
[11:54] <mjt> that all to say: not fud, not unproven "fact" etc, just not "don't worry", but "be smart"
[11:55] <ferris> i make a lot of money because of them
[11:55] <thoreauputic> mjt: umm ...if *you* were an antivirus vendor I guess you would try to convince linux users of a virus threat too...
[11:55] <xskoulax> i don't mind windows, but i'd be happier if i could do everything on linux
[11:55] <xskoulax> i still know windows better than i do linux
[11:55] <mjt> if you will not worry, you WILL be infected, sooner or later.
[11:56] <ogra> mjt: how ?
[11:56] <xskoulax> mjt being concerned is good worrying is not
[11:56] <mjt> yeah, just different word
[11:56] <xskoulax> worry seems a bit more frantic to me
[11:57] <mjt> ogra: there are bugs, and bugs are everywhere. after all, there are bugs in minds -- that sobig/sasser/whatever (don't remember which one) "Critical M$ update" worm who relied on users running it on their machines is a good example
[11:58] <mjt> stupid, but still good example
[11:58] <ogra> mjt: hmm, but how should something like sasser work in linux if it doesnt get root rights to install itself ?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mjt: yes, social engineering is about the only way I can think of that a linux vvirus could infect a whole system
[11:59] <Setite> xskoulax - is that a fair statement
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mjt: as in "You need to run this important update (virus) as root"
[11:59] <ogra> mjt: if you got a system like ubuntu with no open ports at all, how should it get in ?
[11:59] <Setite> i mean there is so much more to linux to be known... so its hard to guage which one you know better...
[12:00] <xskoulax> and social engineering is the one bug that no os will ever crack


[06:13] <apachelogger> yofel: regarding the calendar stuff and serbia ... mind that locale settings are not drawn from timezone but system language
[06:15] <apachelogger> if you install en_US with Berlin/Germany as timezone you still will get us as kde country setting
[06:15] <apachelogger> reason being that timezones are less accurate to map
[10:04] <greyback> Riddell: ping
[10:05] <Riddell> hi greyback
[10:05] <greyback> Riddell: hey
[10:05] <greyback> Riddell: we want to alter the giant A11Y patch in Qt4.
[10:05] <greyback> as it's causing a nasty crash for us
[10:06] <Riddell> uh oh
[10:06] <greyback> Can you tell me where the branch is that just contains the debian directory for qt4?
[10:06] <Riddell> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt
[10:06] <Riddell> greyback: you've spoken to fregl about this presumably?
[10:07] <greyback> Riddell: yep, we're following his advice
[10:07] <Riddell> lovely :)
[10:07] <greyback> Riddell: ok, I'll be in touch, many thanks :)
[10:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 968114
[10:41] <jalcine> Sorry to directly ping you, apachelogger, but you know who currently maintains KHelpCenter ?
[10:42] <fregl> greyback: let me review it when it's done
[10:43] <greyback> fregl: certainly
[10:44] <fregl> greyback: are you going to work on it using git? I'd recommend we keep the old repo where the patch comes from up to date so the history is there, just in case it needs to be rebased again...
[10:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know what docs and guides this would affect? (answer on bug)
[10:45] <greyback> fregl: I agree that would be best. pstolowski will be doing it, I'll let him know
[10:46]  * Riddell out for a bit
[10:48] <apachelogger> jalcine: no one
[10:48] <apachelogger> that is
[10:48] <apachelogger> KDE does
[10:48] <apachelogger> but no one in particular
[10:48] <jalcine> !! *rubs chin*
[10:48] <jalcine> Lol, sorry ubottu
[10:48] <jalcine> And hm, that's a shame.
[10:49]  * jalcine thinks I has a new project to peek into this weekend :)
[10:51] <apachelogger> oh, you should google my ramblings on that topic ;)
[10:52] <apachelogger> khc needs quite a bit of love and reinventin
[10:53]  * jalcine goes to do so.
[10:54] <jalcine> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=ks&q=khelpcenter%20apachelogger << lol, all you!
[10:57] <apachelogger> also http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=130191960215339
[11:01] <jalcine> apachelogger: That archived e-mail is a decent set of user stories, could use that to start up a decent scrum flow
[11:24] <jalcine> Hm, I won't be able to consider maintain, but I could try to close a few bugs.
[11:24] <jalcine> I have a lot on my plate already :/
[11:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please be casting a vote on ktp v kopete
[12:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: heh, I think I should give some time to think on that to make sure I still think the way I do now (:
[12:07] <apachelogger> ENOTIME
[12:08] <Tm_T> I would love to see KTP in good use
[12:18] <apachelogger> see the course of actions I described in my mail :P
[12:19] <apachelogger> either we possibly shoot ourself in the head now or invest in not doing so with 12.10
[12:26] <Tm_T> pretty much, perhaps
[12:27] <Tm_T> I remember building kde telepathy from git when it was on review, did work atleast somewhat
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hey all
[13:31] <apol> hi, do you know if there is a list of packages installed by the ubuntu-desktop?
[13:32] <agateau> apol: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop?
[13:32] <apol> hm
[13:32] <apol> interesting, merci agateau
[14:44] <Riddell> anyone get results to add to the iso tracket?  (I do)
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should hire someone to do testing
[15:54] <Riddell> yep, know anyone who will work for virtual hugs?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> well, akonadi ishopeless trying to login to my ISP email acct ..givingf up for good this time
[15:55] <BluesKaj> I guess an email host disguised in hotmail's clothing doesn't qulify as a pop acct
[15:56] <BluesKaj> qualify
[15:57] <BluesKaj> so I dunno how to configure it correctly i guess
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[16:20] <agateau> Riddell: just assigned you a merge request, new version of libdbusmenu-qt: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-packaging/libdbusmenu-qt-0.9.2/+merge/99971
[16:21] <Riddell> why thank you :)
[16:29] <agateau> Riddell: see, I take care of keeping you busy :)
[16:30] <Riddell> this look ok to everyone? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta2/Kubuntu
[16:35]  * shadeslayer wonders if anyone has experience compiling kernels here
[16:41] <sreich> why?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> sreich: Well ... I can't quite figure out how to make a initramfs
[16:51] <shadeslayer> I've manged to compile a kernel image ...
[16:51] <sreich> don't they usually just use dracut?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what that is, I'm building the kernel for the first time
[16:52] <sreich> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut
[16:52] <sreich> wonder if ubuntu uses that yet
[16:53] <shadeslayer> I see dracut packages
[16:53] <shadeslayer> and yeah, was already reading that
[16:53] <sreich> oh right, it's update-initramfs i think
[16:53] <shadeslayer> an
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:53] <shadeslayer> I didn't know update-initramfs created new initramfs's
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:20] <georgelappies> did the grid desktop disapear in 12.04?
[19:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: horribly late pong here
[19:57] <Riddell> rbelem: whee! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/precise/beta-2/
[20:05] <rbelem> Riddell, nice :-)
[20:05] <rbelem> Riddell, i will work today on the kwin active
[20:07]  * rbelem downloads
[20:16]  * debfx starts working on qt 4.8.1
[20:36] <Riddell> thanks debfx
[21:12] <Riddell> how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/1204-beta-2-released
[21:16] <Riddell> I'll take that as a "good" :)
[21:23] <ulysses> on the Beta 2 wiki page: Muon Suite 1.3 RC
[21:23] <ulysses> is it really RC, not the final 1.3.0?
[21:25] <Riddell> I don't know, you can check easily enough
[21:25] <debfx> ulysses: fixed
[21:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[21:41] <debfx> grr I wish we could stop building webkit from qt4-x11
[21:48] <Riddell> well will next release since that's Qt 5
[21:48] <debfx> still I suspect it's not the last time I have to build qt4
[21:55] <Riddell> fast ec2 machines available if you need them
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> it's the final 1.3.0 now, I'll update the page
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's been updated :)
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> what's up with the CJK spec? Should we just postpone the rest of the items?
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> brb
[23:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what are you random pinging me for? :P
[23:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, sreich: FWIW for device development I personally roll my own initramfs by hand :P
[23:24] <apachelogger> particularly since mobile devices usually have limited space for the boot crap and ubuntu's standard initramfs is *huge*


[04:04] <IG-garage> What metapackage installs whole ubuntustudio into usual ubuntu?
[04:04] <holstein> IG-garage: hey
[04:04] <holstein> theres not just one
[04:04] <holstein> check out
[04:04] <IG-garage> uh?
[04:04] <holstein> !vanilla
[04:04] <IG-garage> thanks
[04:04] <holstein> i usually install
[04:04] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[04:05] <holstein> if you fire up any pacakge manager or run apt-cache search ubuntustudio you can read about the metas :)
[04:05] <IG-garage> i have linux mint, 1.1 GB of DEB-files for it, now and these applications
[04:06] <holstein> IG-garage: your adding the metas to mint?
[04:06] <holstein> let me know how that goes
[04:06] <holstein> which mint?
[04:06] <IG-garage> earlier, there was one metapackage which installed all of these packages
[04:06] <holstein> the 11.04 based one?
[04:06] <IG-garage> Linux Mint 11 GNOME
[04:06] <holstein> IG-garage: nah, theres always been seperate ones
[04:06] <IG-garage> holstein: yeah
[04:06] <holstein> IG-garage: you dont need the metas anyways
[04:06] <holstein> its just a collection of packages
[04:07] <IG-garage> holstein: maybe, but couple of years ago someone has told about it once
[04:07] <holstein> i would *not* use the themeing ones
[04:07] <IG-garage> why?
[04:07] <holstein> IG-garage: you'll need to produce that command for me to believe it
[04:07] <holstein> at that vanilla link, you can see how far back that goes chronologially
[04:07] <holstein> its been like that as long as i remember
[04:08] <IG-garage> no, i have installed them separately, as is written at, for example, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy
[04:08] <holstein> IG-garage: i would not want to use the ubuntustudio theme-ing on top of mint just in case
[04:08] <IG-garage> why?
[04:08] <IG-garage> i have a lot of themes installed as well, even Ubuntu
[04:09] <holstein> IG-garage: go for it then :)
[04:09] <holstein> dont mind me...
[04:12] <IG-garage> here i go
 hi i ran this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/ and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/
[07:39] <stephenim> anyone please im desperate
[13:59] <simon_>  Hello! I'm trying to set up my new soundcard, a QuataFire 610. I've installed Ubuntu Studio but when I try to start the JACK audio server I get an error : "firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads: -1 DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver" And then :"cannot continue execution of the processing graph (Broken pipe)". Does somebody know what the problem might be?
[14:09] <holstein> simon_: hey
[14:09] <holstein> if i were you, i would *temporarily* issue JACK as root
[14:09] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[14:09] <simon_> ok
[14:09] <simon_> ill try that thanks
[14:09] <holstein> see if you can get JACK communicating with your device... you'll want the firewire driver
[14:10] <holstein> BUT, you can also try the freebob driver if it is still present on your system
[14:11] <simon_> i tried opening jack like you said but it gives the same result
[14:11] <holstein> ok...
[14:11] <simon_> how do I try the freebob driver, do I just choose it in jack setup?
[14:11] <holstein> have you done any invasive trouble shooting steps so far?
[14:12] <holstein> simon_: you see the 'driver' section in the setup... freebob may not be there any more though
[14:12] <simon_> its still there
[14:13] <simon_> but when I try to run it he says "jackd:unknown driver 'freebob'"
[14:13] <holstein> this doesnt look very promising
[14:13] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/9
[14:14] <simon_> Well it sais full support right
[14:14] <holstein> the reason i suggest running as root is that this will take permissions errors out of the equation
[14:14] <holstein> sure... and then there are errors... but... we'll see
[14:15] <holstein> personally, i would go to the hardware
[14:15] <holstein> i would see what port you have it in
[14:15] <holstein> what firewire controller?
[14:15] <holstein> is this the only firewire controller?
[14:15] <simon_> 05:02.4 FireWire (IEEE 1394): ALi Corporation M5253 P1394 OHCI 1.1 Controller
[14:15] <holstein> do you have another machine with firewire you can test on?
[14:16] <simon_> Yeah maybe I can check that
[14:16] <holstein> you can use the gnuguitarinux live CD to test
[14:16] <holstein> http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/
[14:16] <simon_> ok
[14:16] <simon_> thanks
[14:16] <holstein> its small-ish and not unlike buntu
[14:16] <simon_> but the strange thing is, the first time I ran JACK it worked and I managed to open ardour
[14:17] <simon_> but when I restarted the computer and tried to run it again it didnt
[14:17] <holstein> simon_: are you sure it was with the proper driver?
[14:17] <holstein> maybe that was with the internal card accidentally
[14:17] <simon_> With the internal soundcard?
[14:17] <holstein> right
[14:18] <simon_> Yeah maybe I don't know that
[14:18] <holstein> im proposing that you were *not* using the FW device accidentally
[14:18] <holstein> maybe not...
[14:19] <holstein> simon_: i can say, getting it working is totally worth it :)
[14:19] <holstein> you'll want to get a texas instruments controller
[14:19] <holstein> ive had decent luck with a via controller too
[14:20] <simon_> Do you think it might be the firewire card?
[14:20] <holstein> sure... running as root pretty much takes permissions out of the equation
[14:21] <holstein> assuming the other software is basically in out-ot-the-box condition
[14:21] <holstein> that leaves hardware
[14:21] <holstein> if you have other machines though, they likely have different controllers, and you can test live
[14:22] <simon_> ok ill try that
[14:22] <simon_> thank you for the help!
[14:22] <holstein> simon_: i usually set JACK to 512 frames/period and 3 periods/buffer for testing
[14:22] <holstein> simon_: if you want to take a screenshot of your jack setup window, i'll give it a look
[14:26] <simon_> yeah sure, thanks
[14:27] <simon_> can i upload a picture to this server or how do i send it to you?
[14:27] <holstein> i use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[14:28] <simon_> http://imagebin.org/165675
[14:29] <holstein> i would put priority back to default
[14:29] <holstein> you can try unchecking the realtime box
[14:30] <holstein> but ideally that would be checked as it is
[14:30] <holstein> set frames/period up to 512 or 1024 til you get it running stable
[14:30] <holstein> then, you can start working down in latency if you need
[14:31] <holstein> under 'interface', default is probably what you want, but
[14:31] <holstein> you see the 2 arrows
[14:31] <simon_> yeah
[14:31] <holstein> one going V and the other going >
[14:31] <holstein> look under there and see if you happen to see that device listed
[14:32] <holstein> thats usually more for USB devices for some reason...
[14:32] <simon_> Theres hw:0 and plughw:0 and /dev/audio and /dev/dsp
[14:33] <simon_> I don't if any of that is my device
[14:33] <holstein> simon_: you can try those are root if you want, but default should be the one
[14:33] <holstein> it could be something like the firewire stack, ffado version... kernel... who knows
[14:34] <holstein> when i was troubleshooting the presonus firepod, i tried a bunch of live CD's as well as ubuntu
[14:34] <holstein> used to be a certain older stack i would need to force to get it running
[14:35] <holstein> now, with the ffado driver, its pretty much out of the box :)
[14:35] <simon_> thats nice
[14:35] <simon_> too bad it doesnt work for me
[14:35] <simon_> but maybe youre right and its the hardware
[14:36] <simon_> It's kind of annoying though because I bought this pci firewire card just today only for this reason
[14:37] <holstein> well, i wouldnt rule out hardware
[14:37] <holstein> i also would try the old 64studio 2.x live CD
[14:37] <holstein> and the gnuguitarinux... maybe puredyne
[14:38] <simon_> But do they have different drivers, or what is the difference?
[14:38] <holstein> you just want to see it working, then you can poke around and make note of the kernel verion, and firewire versions
[14:38] <holstein> simon_: mostly the revisions
[14:56] <simon_> Ok Thank you for your help, ill try the things you mentioned
[14:56] <holstein> simon_: good lucke
[15:45] <orngjce223> .
[16:35] <holstein> ..
[18:31] <stephenthemartyr> is it possible to add this  <IP_ADDRESS> IRQ kernelto studio?
[18:41] <stephenthemartyr> can i get ubuntustudio to work for more than a week?
[18:59] <stephenthemartyr> hahaha how about 3 days?
[20:46] <aaas> I'm getting an error at "Select and install software" with the newest 11.04..could this be my usb stick or is this a known problem
[20:52] <aaas> if i install regular ubuntu and run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' is this equivalent to installing ubuntu studio?  Do I lose out on any customizations or custom kernel modules?
[21:07] <holstein> aaas: you dont need -desktop
[21:07] <holstein> that just deals with themeing
[21:07] <holstein> basically, ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[21:07] <holstein> you can search in a package manager or apt-cache search ubuntustudio and read about the meta packages
[21:07] <holstein> i usually get ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:08] <holstein> theres no reasong to get -desktop if you like the way your system looks and feels
[21:08] <holstein> you dont need any of the meta pacakges really
[21:08] <holstein> you can just install what you want/need
[21:08] <holstein> jack, ardour, rosegarden... whatever
[21:09] <holstein> you can read up on the process at
[21:09] <holstein> !vanilla | aaas
[21:14] <aaas> so ubuntu studio doesn't use any custom kernels, drivers, or anything like that
[21:14] <holstein> no
[21:14] <holstein> its all about configuration
[21:14] <holstein> the changes are subtle, and all the packages are in the normal ubuntu repos
[21:14] <aaas> so the only benefit of installing ubuntustudio from the install is if you want everything?
[21:14] <holstein> well, they look different
[21:15] <holstein> out of the box, you get different looks and feels
[21:15] <aaas> different backgrounds?
[21:15] <holstein> and there were other differences like the network manager that was *not* with ubuntustudio
[21:15] <aaas> they both use unity
[21:15] <aaas> right?
[21:15] <holstein> aaas: more than just background
[21:15] <holstein> ubuntustudio does *not* have unity
[21:15] <holstein> ubuntustudio-dekstop is gnome
[21:16] <holstein> and it will be XFCE next cycle
[21:16] <holstein> thats why i say, read about the meta pacakges
[21:16] <aaas> ok
[21:16] <holstein> theres literally no need to install -desktop unless you just want the look/feel
[21:16] <holstein> which is actually quite nice
[21:16] <holstein> and is being revamped for XFCE/11.10
[21:17] <holstein> kernel is the same
[21:17] <holstein> core packages are going to be very similar
[21:17] <aaas> well i couldn't get it to install from the dvd anyways..so looks like ill just install ubuntu and then customize
[21:18] <holstein> the 10.04 installer should work
[21:18] <holstein> personally, i consider non LTS releases 'testing' releases
[21:18] <holstein> but, you wont have any problems with 11.04
[21:18] <holstein> other than normal config issues
[21:18] <aaas> well i got an error during the 'select and install software' stage
[21:19] <aaas> but it might have been a bad usb stick
[21:19] <holstein> aaas: i have seen that
[21:19] <holstein> i usually dont select there
[21:19] <holstein> i usually just add afterwards
[21:19] <aaas> i tried to skip but it wouldn't boot
[21:19] <holstein> or make ubuntu studio out of ubuntu
[21:19] <aaas> but no matter im just going to install ubuntu and then add studio packages
[21:20] <holstein> yeah, that'll be fine
[21:20] <holstein> could have been a bad download image
[21:20] <holstein> who knows
[21:20] <holstein> i had that issue with the 10.04, and 10.10 installers
[21:20] <holstein> others didnt
[21:20]  * holstein shrugs
[21:21] <aaas> i cant beleive how sensitive these installs are to dvd/usb/image defects
[21:21] <aaas> its crazy the number of times it happens with all the error checking
[21:22] <holstein> hopefully we will have a live installer by 12.04
[21:22] <holstein> then, things will 'just work' in theory
[21:22] <holstein> and you can test JACK or whatever...
[21:22] <holstein> anyways... gotta run... good luck
[21:22] <holstein> you are over in #opensourcemusicians right?
[21:22] <aaas> yes i think many people want that...that will really encourage adoption
[21:22] <holstein> it can be slow over here... BBL
[21:23] <aaas> i was...had to rip out a hard drive to put into this computer to install ubuntu to try jack/ardor so my gf can use it
[22:52] <aaas> is there anyway to use jack/adour/ubuntu studio remotely? as in a headless comptuer controled by a laptop using something like nx?
[22:52] <aaas> i'm using nx and it is trying to use the laptop as another sound card
[23:07] <orngjce223> Ask #opensourcemusicans ? they know more than I do on the topic of weird use cases
[23:09] <aaas> thanks


[16:28] <Pici> !freenode
[22:22] <valorie> nasty netsplit
[22:23] <dax> ^ upcoming ubuntu distro name
[22:23] <seednode> hah
[22:23] <genii> After they wrap back to A they should open it up to just be anything catchy
[22:25] <k1l_> devan conspiracy incoming
[22:25] <dax> indeed
[22:27] <valorie> like Murrican wars now
[22:27] <valorie> Enduring Freedom being my favorite
[22:28] <wxl> Ubuntu Enduring Freedom, yeahhhhh
[22:28] <wxl> Ubuntu Technicolor Yawn
[22:30] <wxl> Ubuntu Clumpy Dumplet
[22:32] <valorie> better than Dumpy Crumpet
[22:32] <wxl> Ubuntu Parking the Leopard
[22:35] <wxl> Ubuntu Birmingham Screwdriver
[22:35] <wxl> Ubuntu Cor Blimey
[22:35] <valorie> lol
[22:36] <wxl> oooh i never heard that one before
[22:36] <wxl> Ubuntu Fanny Adams
[22:58] <valorie> Unit193: https://irssi.org/security/irssi_sa_2016.txt
[22:58] <Unit193> Mhmm, fun times these are...


[11:56] <scott-work> abogani: just to let you know, i made an attempt at packaging the -lowlatency kernel and persia is reviewing it
[11:56] <abogani> scott-work: good
[11:57] <scott-work> abogani: one thing i wanted to clarify with you, i took your previous comments as that you did not want to maintain this kernel and therefore would not have your name in the changelog or other locations?  is this your desire?  do i need to do something different?
[12:00] <abogani> scott-work: I'll maintain it until someone else comes up.
[12:01] <scott-work> abogani: i was expecting to maintain it per our previous conversations
[12:02] <scott-work> abogani: my larger concern was that i felt you had done the bulk of the work and i was removing your name from it which would have not given you the credit you deserved
[12:02] <scott-work> abogani: and therefore i wanted to make sure that this was congruent with your wishes
[12:02] <scott-work> abogani: i will happily include your name, either alongside mine or replacing it, if you wish
[12:03] <abogani> scott-work: You are the maintainer it is your choice.
[12:18] <scott-work> abogani: i don't mind either way, my understanding was that you valued avoiding the complaints, however i do not wish to deny you credit for your work (and almost more importantly i do not wish to take credit for others work)
[12:19] <scott-work> abogani: with your leave i will include your name as well
[12:19] <abogani> scott-work: ok
[12:24] <scott-work> huh, autotune manual pitch correction with a package called 'praat' that is already in the repository: http://www.debuntu.org/how-autotune-pitch-correction-effect-with-praat
[12:31] <scott-work> and i just learned about Fons Adriaensen's Zita-at1 autotune
[12:32] <scott-work> which has been in the repos since natty
[16:18] <falktx> hey there


[02:00] <Pici> sorry, linode got stuck and then I got sidetracked... bots coming back now
[02:28] <tomreyn> thanks!
[02:30] <tomreyn> oh and maybe you could consider joinining #ubuntu-bots, pici?
[02:30] <tomreyn> anyways, thanks and, ttyl.


[01:20] <pleia2> hm, I will probably be on a plane during our next meeting
[01:21] <MissValeska> Meeting?
[01:21] <pleia2> we have monthly meetings :)
[01:21] <MissValeska> Oooohh
[01:21] <pleia2> they're listed in the topic: Next Meeting: Tuesday April 8th at 18:00 UTC
[01:21] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings
[01:22] <MissValeska> About what specifically? Like, What do you say? Do you meet physically? I've never seen this stuff before
[01:22] <pleia2> we just chat here in meetings
[01:22] <MissValeska> hm
[01:22] <pleia2> that wiki page has links to some of our past meetings if you're curious
[01:22] <MissValeska> okay! :D
[01:22] <pleia2> :)
[01:22] <MissValeska> But um!
[01:22] <MissValeska> You *could* just get on a plane with wifi
[01:22] <MissValeska> And boom, IRC time.
[01:22] <pleia2> unfortunately the flight I'm on doesn't have wifi
[01:23] <MissValeska> Use your phone!
[01:23] <belkinsa> I hate to say this but it's safer that way...
[01:23] <pleia2> cell phones don't work in planes :)
[01:23] <MissValeska> whyyyy
[01:23] <belkinsa> Because they interfer with the planes computers.
[01:24] <belkinsa> And we don't want another mess like what what we had a month ago.
[01:24] <MissValeska> That has actually been disproven
[01:24] <MissValeska> Several several times
[01:24] <MissValeska> And actually never had any evidence to begin with
[01:24] <MissValeska> Even the government agreed that it isn't true
[01:24] <MissValeska> It's no longer a legal thing
[01:24] <MissValeska> It's optional for planes to ask you to turn off your phone or what ever
[01:24] <belkinsa> Whatever.  I still think it can cause a mess.
[01:24] <MissValeska> Even the myth busters did it
[01:25] <MissValeska> hey, No need to be snippy :(
[01:25] <belkinsa> I'm not.
[01:25] <MissValeska> okay
[01:25] <IdleOne> the reason is more about security
[01:25] <belkinsa> Anyways this channel is logged and we have a non-logged channel.
[01:25] <MissValeska> Logs are fine
[01:25] <belkinsa> (FYI)
[01:25] <pleia2> MissValeska: cell phones work by talking to cell towers, planes fly too fast and are too far away from towers to get and maintain signal
[01:25] <MissValeska> I like logs
[01:25] <IdleOne> they don't want you calling your hidden cell phone in the baggage hold
[01:26] <pleia2> services like gogo inflight internet use special towers they built across the US
[01:26] <pleia2> not regular cellphone towers
[01:26] <MissValeska> I know some planes now are getting their own radios built into them that can re-direct cell phones to their respective towers.
[15:25] <pleia2> Career Days with czajkowski over in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat in 35 minutes :)