[00:01] <D-Lyrium> why 4GiB? Ubuntu is only 600mb...
[00:01] <cheryl> ron_o - U updateding to Jaunty now?
[00:04] <ron_o> uhmm, no.. 8.10
[00:04] <ron_o> I like being behind the curve. :)
[00:04] <ron_o> much safer. :)
[00:05] <D-Lyrium> hmm, I copied the contents of the CD (rather than just the ISO) to the USB stick and that didn't work either :p
[00:11] <D-Lyrium> is there any other way to install Xubuntu on my laptop, considering it doesn't have an optical drive?
[00:15] <ron_o> D-Lyrium, there are plenty of howtos on the internet. Just search for it.
[00:16] <ron_o> and make sure your BIOS is set to read USB from the sar
[00:16] <ron_o> whatever. Maybe he wanted me to do it for him.
[00:17] <Mood> maybe he wanted you to do a net install over irc :-s
[00:32] <roybot> Q: Does xubuntu 9.04 have support for eee pc like ubuntu "netbook remix" has?
[01:06] <SiDi> roybot, i don't know if we ship all the usual netbook drivers directly on the liveCD as they do
[01:06] <SiDi> but xubuntu should work correctly under netbooks, since its lightweight
[01:07] <SiDi> tho netbook edition is more designed for netbooks, with actual UI changes that may fit your needs better, with the very little screens these things have
[02:22] <Ultraputz> anyone know cryptsetup ?
[02:23] <Ultraputz> better question: assuming that boot failed and dropped you to busybox, and you wanted to try booting again without _rebooting_ -- is that init? what's the command to initate the sequence  -- or rather, is it possible, keeping the present version of the ram fs?
[02:31]  * SiDi doesn't know :x :D
[02:37] <psychic> can come one help me fix my display size
[02:37] <psychic> ??
[02:41] <Ultraputz> what's wrong with it?
[02:41] <psychic> its in 800x600
[02:41] <psychic> i need 1024x768
[02:42] <Ultraputz> open up the settings panel and click displays
[02:42] <Ultraputz> start -> settings -> displays (i think)
[02:43] <Ultraputz> if it's in the list under resolution, you can set it and you should be good to go
[02:43] <Ultraputz> if there's nothing in the list, or none of the resolutions that should be... i probably can't help you :-)
[02:43] <psychic> no been there
[02:43] <psychic> dont work
[02:43] <Ultraputz> what do you mean doesn't work ?
[02:43] <psychic> well thanks anyways
[02:43] <Ultraputz> logout and log back in?
[02:43] <psychic> i cant get higher then 800x600
[02:44] <Ultraputz> ok
[02:44] <Ultraputz> i can tell you ballpark what's wrong:
[02:44] <Ultraputz> basically it's somewhere betwee xorg and your video setup
[02:44] <Ultraputz> as in the driver it's using.
[02:44] <Ultraputz> if it can't figureit out, it uses a generic setup and that limits you to unaccelerated low-res, etc.
[02:45] <psychic> yea i know
[02:45] <Ultraputz> my suggestion is, if you know what your video hardware is...
[02:45] <Ultraputz> search it out on ubuntuforums.org
[02:45] <psychic> i have days on end lol
[02:45] <Ultraputz> then you're going to come out of this a little closer to linux expert than you went into it :-)
[02:45] <Ultraputz> video problems are what makes users strong :-)
[02:45] <psychic> yea i feel that
[02:45] <psychic> lol true
[02:46] <Ultraputz> roll the dice on ubuntu-forums
[02:46] <Ultraputz> er ubuntuforums.org
[02:46] <psychic> i'll figure it out
[02:46] <Ultraputz> another thing...
[02:47] <Ultraputz> it may be that you rvideo hardware needs / highly benefits from a restricted driver
[02:47] <Ultraputz> and you have to turn that on in the ubuntu repository, download it...
[02:47] <ron_o> rah, upgrade's xserver failed. Probably has to do with me nvidia graphics card.
[02:47] <Ultraputz> and then it has it's own setup, usually through a control panel called restricted drivers, though it may have something even stupider like it's own setup program.
[02:47] <Ultraputz> upgrade <expletive>ed me.
[02:47] <psychic> yea i dont know how to get restricted drivers
[02:48] <Ultraputz> you turn it on in synaptic
[02:48] <Ultraputz> its in the preferences.
[02:48] <psychic> ron_o i have trident cyrberblade not nvidea
[02:48] <Ultraputz> 9.04 was my great white hope, theoretically, my ati chipset was supported
[02:48] <Ultraputz> i'd love to find out
[02:49] <Ultraputz> as soon as i can boot my machine again, i'll let anyone whose curious know :-)
[02:50] <SiDi> !info emesene
[02:51] <psychic> do i press close or revert after i check the restricted drivers
[03:01] <kromar> how can i resize the system partition?
[03:09] <adem> I need some help with wifi connections and such. Can someone help me really quickly? I just think i'm doing something stupid.
[03:10] <adem> anyone?
[03:12] <galvonix> i would help, but i dont run wifi here
[03:12] <psychic> adem
[03:12] <psychic> go into #ubuntu
[03:12] <galvonix> so never tried it
[03:12] <galvonix> yea
[03:12] <psychic> theres more of a chance u will get your answer
[03:13] <galvonix> 4sure
[03:13] <galvonix> way more conversations going on there
[03:13] <psychic> galvonix agrees
[03:13] <adem> I'll try.
[03:13] <psychic> i only come in here for the long shot on an xubuntu techspert
[03:13] <psychic> lol
[03:13] <galvonix> i just love this version of xfce in jaunty
[03:14] <galvonix> yea
[03:14] <psychic> i am upgrading to 9.04
[03:14] <galvonix> u will like it
[03:14] <adem> I love 9.04 so far its just this wireless problem that's giving me a headache.
[03:14] <psychic> i am having to much trouble with the  display
[03:14] <galvonix> i never use gnome anymore. xfce kicks ass
[03:14] <psychic> i'm glad i dont use wireless
[03:14] <galvonix> ah that nvidea bug?
[03:14] <galvonix> me 2
[03:14] <psychic> no i have an even better one
[03:15] <galvonix> there is a reason i dont use it lol
[03:15] <psychic> trident cyberblade
[03:15] <galvonix> whats the bug u are running into?
[03:15] <galvonix> christ
[03:15] <psychic> the same as nvidea i think
[03:15] <psychic> i need to get 1024x768
[03:15] <galvonix> i think thats who makes it for the other brandings
[03:15] <psychic> but its not giving me anything larger than 800x600
[03:15] <galvonix> yea im running 1152
[03:16] <galvonix> yea that so sounds like a driver issue
[03:16] <psychic> its common to toshiba satelites
[03:16] <psychic> or so i gather from forums
[03:16] <galvonix> were u coming from ibex?yea i have seen a couple of those cards
[03:16] <psychic> the funny thing is after i fixxed the problem oncwe i cant find the same forums anymore
[03:16] <galvonix> ATI support rocks in this one too, but that dosent help u
[03:17] <galvonix> i HATE it when that happens to me
[03:17] <psychic> actualy i dont know what it means
[03:17] <galvonix> which is a lot
[03:17] <psychic> but when i start my computer i get somthing that says unsupported ati chipset
[03:17] <galvonix> humm
[03:17] <psychic> it said that even when the display was working
[03:18] <galvonix> it was working in prior versions, right?
[03:18] <psychic> the biggest pain for me is i'm trying to get someone to like ubuntu
[03:18] <psychic> no i havn't upgraded yet
[03:18] <galvonix> yea thats always the case when u try to convert people.
[03:18] <psychic> its in the process
[03:18] <psychic> but i had the prob when i 1st installed xubuntu
[03:18] <galvonix> humm, yea im sure there will be a fix soon enough posted in the forums
[03:19] <psychic> and then i got it fixed
[03:19] <adem> Okay.
[03:19] <adem> So
[03:19] <galvonix> yea its just a matter of finding the answer again
[03:19] <adem> Apparently its a problem with locked and unlocked wireless
[03:19] <psychic> then i accidently restored to that last good config on start up
[03:19] <psychic> and the display prob cam back
[03:19] <galvonix> i hayea thats gonna be a weird fix
[03:19] <galvonix> have an idea that is
[03:20] <psychic> yea
[03:20] <galvonix> i have had that happen to me when i look up a fix and then need it again on another install, but cant find it anywhere
[03:20] <psychic> yea
[03:20] <psychic> gotta start keeping forums in a cd
[03:21] <adem> Wow.
[03:21] <adem> Something is really wrong here.
[03:21] <galvonix> i got ayea or have a better way of searching
[03:21] <psychic> yea
[03:21] <psychic> like a save fav postings on the site
[03:21] <galvonix> im sure if i learned PHP i'd have that taken care of
[03:21] <galvonix> yea mozilla has the keywords with the bookmarks
[03:22] <galvonix> kinda can help
[03:22] <psychic> i'm working on that one slowly
[03:22] <galvonix> the PHP?
[03:22] <psychic> yea
[03:22] <galvonix> yea
[03:22] <psychic> mostly html is what i'm learning now
[03:22] <ron_o> I forgot what a nightmare it was getting nvidia recognized.. hehe..
[03:22] <psychic> xhtml
[03:22] <galvonix> ive been thinking about learning that one too
[03:22] <ron_o> got upgrade working. :)
[03:22] <psychic> lol
[03:22] <galvonix> yea
[03:23] <psychic> so what are the common problems in 9.04 so far
[03:23] <psychic> ?
[03:23] <galvonix> i think the xfce version in jaunty rocks compared to ibex
[03:23]  * galvonix has had no issues
[03:23] <psychic> cool
[03:23] <galvonix> i have KDE, Gnome and XFCE, xfce is my default
[03:23] <psychic> i dont know what i have
[03:24] <galvonix> fluxbox too
[03:24] <psychic> i know xfce cause i used it
[03:24] <psychic> and i think gnome
[03:24] <galvonix> yea its like a fast gnome
[03:24] <psychic> what is?
[03:24] <galvonix> takes like half the memory too
[03:24] <psychic> 9.04
[03:24] <psychic> ?
[03:24] <psychic> nice
[03:24] <psychic> i might be able to ditch the swap
[03:24] <ron_o> xfce ain't like gnome at all. But it does use some of its apps.
[03:24] <galvonix> yea gnome is similar to xfce, but xfce does it fast
[03:24] <ron_o> psychic, don't.
[03:24] <psychic> nah
[03:24] <psychic> ?
[03:25] <galvonix> i said similar....it has two menu bars by default
[03:25] <galvonix> meant similar
[03:25] <psychic> but it is notably faster ?
[03:25] <psychic> the new one
[03:25] <psychic> ??
[03:26] <ron_o> why would 9.04 be much faster?
[03:26] <galvonix> not so much, just a better version of xfce compared to 8.10 (imho)
[03:26] <ron_o> usually the more complicated it gets and user friendly the slower.
[03:26] <psychic> ok
[03:26] <ron_o> you have an old pc?
[03:26] <psychic> i dont know why it would be faster but some just are
[03:26] <galvonix> better code
[03:26] <psychic> i have a toshiba laptop
[03:26] <ron_o> for speed fluxbox is best.
[03:27] <psychic> uhm
[03:27] <galvonix> im on a vaio from 2004
[03:27] <ron_o> galvonix, yah, keep dreaming. Maybe less bugs.
[03:27] <galvonix> yea fluxbox is pretty sweet
[03:27] <adem> I'm on a viao as well.
[03:27] <galvonix> i like it's menus
[03:27] <adem> FN series?
[03:27] <galvonix> im a P4 3.3 GHz 1 gb ram
[03:27] <galvonix> very fast with linux
[03:27] <ron_o> p4.. hot.
[03:27] <galvonix> lol
[03:27] <ron_o> but still fast.
[03:28] <galvonix> yea except for windows
[03:28] <galvonix> lol
[03:28] <ron_o> luckily I got the core2duo about the time it came out.
[03:28] <ron_o> I really like it.
[03:28] <galvonix> thats a kick ass chip
[03:28] <psychic> mines 2.66 ghz p4 and 512 mgb ram
[03:28] <galvonix> yea
[03:28] <ron_o> 2gb here. :)
[03:28] <galvonix> nice!
[03:28] <psychic> the problem is its got onboard graphics  guess
[03:28] <galvonix> yea i need to stick 5 more simms in there
[03:28] <ron_o> the thing is I really want speed because I'm starting to get into virtual computing.
[03:28] <psychic> that brings the useable ram down to 470
[03:29] <galvonix> i run the VMware workstation no problem here
[03:29] <ron_o> even at this speed, another OS slows things down.
[03:29] <galvonix> of course
[03:29] <psychic> yea
[03:29] <ron_o> nah, I'm using Virtualbox.
[03:29] <adem> ugh, i just need to make this thing into a mediapad.
[03:29] <galvonix> it's about 30 percent slower than running it natively
[03:29] <psychic> hmm
[03:29] <adem> pentium M, 1.73ghz, 512mb ram
[03:29] <ron_o> the problem is VB is still fairly new, and the guest OS can't use my coreduo yet.
[03:30] <galvonix> yea
[03:30] <galvonix> i like both, i just use VMare
[03:30] <galvonix> VMware
[03:30] <galvonix> ron: that blows
[03:30] <galvonix> whats the point of the duo part lol
[03:31] <ron_o> I really like xubuntu and ubuntu, but they'd be start to really push the envelope when you do an upgrade on visuals. Like their own wallpaper and cool music.
[03:31] <galvonix> i think i ran into my first issue
[03:31] <galvonix> yea GNOME is heading that way i hear
[03:31] <ron_o> it's smart.
[03:31] <galvonix> KDE 4 is kinda pretty
[03:31] <ron_o> it's like, "you've arrived"..
[03:31] <galvonix> yea
[03:31] <ron_o> great advertising.
[03:32] <psychic> yea i seen one of the ubuntu systems that had some wavey windows and stuff
[03:32] <ron_o> linux is dead on visuals
[03:32] <psychic> like if u grab a window to move it
[03:32] <ron_o> that's probably from 3D desktop stuff.
[03:32] <galvonix> it really depends on how much work you want to do with screenlets and all that other visual crap
[03:32] <psychic> it would have motion to it like the bottom would drag and catch up with the top after u stop moving it
[03:32] <psychic> like it was going fast or somthing
[03:32] <psychic> yea
[03:32] <galvonix> there is always compiz
[03:32] <psychic> prob
[03:33] <ron_o> I hated compiz.
[03:33] <ron_o> besides the wow factor I showed folks.
[03:33] <galvonix> yea i don't care for it much either
[03:33] <galvonix> i once had my windows catch fire when closed
[03:33] <galvonix> lol
[03:33] <psychic> lol how
[03:34] <galvonix> under the "custom, custom" settings in visual effects....i dont use it in xfce
[03:34] <galvonix> one of the prefeences
[03:34] <galvonix> in gnome
[03:34] <psychic> ok
[03:35] <psychic> about 6 hrs remaining
[03:35] <psychic> lol
[03:35] <galvonix> when i burn an ISO the breaso thing flakes out
[03:35] <galvonix> weird
[03:35] <psychic> now were at 4
[03:35] <galvonix> jesus
[03:35] <galvonix> how are u downloading it?
[03:35] <psychic> i cant stand the fluctuation i think theres bad lines or somthing
[03:36] <dsmith_> 6hrs to download what?
[03:36] <psychic> synaptic
[03:36] <ron_o> use kde.
[03:36] <galvonix> yea. u using torrent?
[03:36] <galvonix> ah
[03:36] <psychic> it was at 2hr and some minuts earlier
[03:36] <ron_o> use k3b rather for burning.
[03:36] <galvonix> yea the update servers were like 30k/bps the day it was released
[03:36] <galvonix> yea
[03:36] <psychic> yea i'm sure
[03:36] <galvonix> gotta try that
[03:37] <psychic> i gotta grab something to eat
[03:37] <galvonix> i did a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it took HOURS
[03:37] <galvonix> k
[03:37] <dsmith_> k3b is good
[03:37] <galvonix> yea ill try that
[03:37] <dsmith_> so is soundconverter pkg
[03:37] <ron_o> and burn DAO for iso.
[03:38] <ron_o> always DAO.
[03:38] <galvonix> tks
[03:38] <galvonix> god i need cigarettes
[03:38]  * dsmith_ is going to insatll ver. 9.05 on his very old lappy
[03:38] <dsmith_> er..9.04 ahem
[03:38] <galvonix> u mean 9.04?
[03:38] <dsmith_> lol
[03:39] <galvonix> gotcha
[03:39]  * galvonix types in the dark too
[03:39] <dsmith_> the +1 is a extra release feature...cough...cough
[03:39] <galvonix> ah so far it's working flawless for me
[03:39] <galvonix> or it could be 9.04.1
[03:40] <galvonix> lol
[03:40]  * NikonRaccoon looks in, is looking for help with installation issues with 9.04
[03:40] <galvonix> whats the problem?
[03:40] <dsmith_> clean install or update/
[03:40] <psychic> yeea alls i care about is relayingthe jist of it i knew u know what i meant
[03:40] <galvonix> either works good
[03:41] <galvonix> if u update prepare not to do too much for a while
[03:41] <psychic> \tru
[03:41] <galvonix> hehe
[03:41] <dsmith_> lol
[03:41] <NikonRaccoon> Seems to hang on the live CD when the bar is at about 15-20%. Unfortunatly, I don't know what to do to troubleshoot from here
[03:41] <galvonix> the conical servers are _swomped_
[03:41] <dsmith_> i bet MS wishes thier servees were swamped....ooops
[03:42] <galvonix> go into your x.conf file thingie and disable wuiet boot
[03:42] <galvonix> yea atleast ours still work when we release software
[03:42] <dsmith_> yea, do verbose
[03:42] <NikonRaccoon> Ok, how do I do that for the live CD?
[03:42]  * galvonix is not too sure u can
[03:42] <galvonix> there is a key u can press, right?
[03:43] <galvonix> are you sure your install media is ok?
[03:43] <NikonRaccoon> Ran the integerity check right after I burned it
[03:43] <psychic> if i had that probwith it hanging i'd hope i had some way of getting a new download and redo it
[03:43]  * NikonRaccoon also gets the hang with the Ubuntu Disc as well
[03:43] <galvonix> strange....booted right up for me....what kinda machine u running?
[03:43] <galvonix> i would think so
[03:44] <NikonRaccoon> Compaq Armada M700
[03:44] <NikonRaccoon> Is a laptop
[03:44] <galvonix> _figures_ i hate those compaq
[03:44] <galvonix> yea
[03:44] <NikonRaccoon> Ran 8.04 just fine
[03:44] <galvonix> well u wont know until you see what POST message it hangs on
[03:45] <galvonix> otherwise it could be 100's of things
[03:45] <galvonix> try to search google with how to disable quiet mode in the x config file
[03:45] <psychic> one of the most stress ful things for me was not being able to get on xchat servers
[03:46] <galvonix> why not?
[03:46] <psychic> then hrs later i found that i can get there through pidgin:)
[03:46] <galvonix> ah
[03:46] <psychic> thats still a mystery
[03:46] <galvonix> im using xchat now
[03:46] <psychic> still dont work
[03:46]  * NikonRaccoon was able to get it to install earlier, but the Live CD and install both hang at the same point. Tries recovery mode
[03:46] <psychic> <<<pidgin
[03:46] <galvonix> yea that works too
[03:46] <galvonix> i havent been on IRC for ages
[03:47] <psychic> it took me almost a day to figure out how it worked on pidgin
[03:47] <galvonix> after the launch i came on here
[03:47] <galvonix> yea pigin can be a bitch
[03:47] <galvonix> i hate how the menus are laid out
[03:47] <psychic> i'm just a newbie to it all
[03:47] <psychic> i was just figuring out windows
[03:47] <psychic> then it got to infected for me
[03:47] <galvonix> oic....well u are lucky to realize the err of your ways early
[03:48] <psychic> and so i turned to the only complete and free os
[03:48] <psychic> ubuntu here i come
[03:48] <galvonix> yep....u will never look back
[03:48] <psychic> i might come close somtimes
[03:48] <galvonix> i started using linux a long time ago, but ubuntu is the best for most folks
[03:48] <psychic> yea i hear
[03:48] <galvonix> wb ron
[03:49] <galvonix> i use gentoo, debian and of course ubuntu
[03:49] <galvonix> compared to gentoo this is easy
[03:49] <psychic> i thought about trying some other linuxs but
[03:49] <galvonix> gentoo is cool though
[03:49] <psychic> one step at a time
[03:49] <galvonix> have u checked out linux mint?
[03:49] <psychic> some
[03:49] <galvonix> its the same as ubuntu
[03:49] <psychic> hmm
[03:49] <galvonix> just more pretty
[03:50] <galvonix> in gentoo you compile your compiler
[03:50] <psychic> hmm
[03:50] <galvonix> crazyness
[03:50] <galvonix> i use it for a lot of servers
[03:51] <galvonix> and i have debian 5 running on an old mac g4 i turned into a server
[03:51] <NikonRaccoon> Last line that shows is: 20.084041 ---[ end trace 9b3abb066ab7cc1a ]--- init: rec-default man processes (15410 terminated with status 139
[03:51] <galvonix> jesus
[03:51] <galvonix> i have no clue what that could mean, try asking in the #ubuntu channel
[03:52]  * NikonRaccoon merfs
[03:52] <NikonRaccoon> I can't scroll up to see the top of the trace either
[03:53] <galvonix> i gotta jet people....take care
[03:53] <galvonix> BBL
[03:54] <psychic> peace u to
[03:56] <Firefishe> I'm on a system running xubuntu, ubuntu, and kubuntu (kde 4.2.2).  I'm wanting to boot into xubuntu (xfce4) exclusively, use xfce's desktop, window manager, file manager (thunar)--and have thunar manage *all* file mgmt. issues--but am having problems.  I turned off gnome compatibility, logged back in via kdm's gui login screen, and the x-server was restarted each time.
[03:56] <Firefishe> I logged in via Failsafe, and   did `startxfce4' on the command line.  Here's the output of the terminal:  http://rafb.net/p/EkrjAk38.html
[03:56] <psychic> ask the #ubuntu channel
[03:57] <Firefishe> k
[03:57] <psychic> you will get your answer there
[03:57] <Firefishe> thank you
[03:57] <psychic> be patient yet persistant
[03:57] <psychic> theres alot of people
[03:57] <Firefishe> they may ask me to ask here ;) hee
[03:57] <psychic> over a thousand
[03:57] <psychic> dont settle lol
[03:57] <Firefishe> ubuntu-offtopic might also be of help
[03:57] <psychic> i have xubuntu and i use #ubuntu all the time
[03:58] <Firefishe> very good then :)
[03:58] <Firefishe> thanks again
[03:58] <psychic> yup i'm heading there myself but i'll be here to
[03:58] <Firefishe> k
[03:58] <Firefishe> I'm there
[03:58] <Firefishe> busy tonight, I see
[03:58] <psychic> yea
[04:07] <Firefishe> psychic:  hmmm...busier than usual
[04:11] <psychic> yea
[04:12] <psychic> the way to catch i have learned is ask to ask a question they hate it
[04:12] <psychic> but for some reason they stop and help then
[04:15] <psychic> the nice thing is even tho there is a problem with my display on the laptop if i plug it into the 46 inch lcd it works fine
[04:15] <psychic> i cant get it above 800x600 on the laptop monitor
[04:16] <psychic> i dont know if u overseen any of my tech issues from earlier
[04:16] <psychic> but that was the big one
[04:18] <jek2bd> anyone know why my volume control disappeared when I upgraded to jaunty? volume hotkeys inop too
[04:18] <ron_o> must be a bug. Someone had the same problem earlier.
[04:19] <ron_o> re:volume
[04:19] <jek2bd> ok does anyone know what the name of the program that did the volume control is so I can just add a launcher?
[04:19] <psychic> can u type in something like in the xfce version like if ur desktop disappears? u run xfdesktop to get it back
[04:19] <R1cochet> xfce4-mixer
[04:20] <psychic> yea thats it
[04:20] <psychic> try to run it
[04:20] <psychic> maybe alt f2 will work
[04:20] <jek2bd> that's what I found but it doesn't offer the slider on the panel like before the upgrade
[04:20] <ron_o> there's also a standalone app called gvtray or soemthig like that.
[04:20] <psychic> hmm
[04:20] <psychic> brb
[04:21] <jek2bd> it comes by default with no controls enabled which is annoying
[04:21] <psychic> i'm asking how to get it for u in #ubuntu
[04:22] <jek2bd> thanks
[04:22] <jek2bd> apropos gvtray has no results
[04:22] <ron_o> well it's for linux, but not for ubuntu specifically.
[04:23] <ron_o> sudo /etc/init.d/kvm stop
[04:23] <jek2bd> ok so I could download it that's helpful thanks
[04:23] <ron_o> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/gvtray-a-volume-control-for-your-system-tray/
[04:23] <ron_o> don't know why there isn't volume control. That sucks.
[04:23] <ron_o> I ain't going to 9.04 ever if they don't have that one.
[04:24] <jek2bd> what does the sudo cmd do I mean the stuff after sudo I know what "sudo" does
[04:25] <psychic> jek2bd i guess u can try right clicking on the top bar and add it
[04:25] <ron_o> at http://fora.tv I am watching a flash video, and even when I restart the computer the flash video continues from where it left off, so  I know it's on me computer. Anyone know where it might be besides the obvious?
[04:25] <ron_o> like /tmp or in opera's cache?
[04:25] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all
[04:25] <jek2bd> the prob is that its not in the menu of stuff to add in jaunty
[04:26] <ron_o> what about thru xfapplet? Showing gnome applets in the panel?
[04:27] <ron_o> no luck there?
[04:27] <psychic> hmm
[04:27] <DiecastMessiah> have a question about games and Vsync ... will it help out in speed at all???
[04:28] <jek2bd> apropos for volume only turns up the mixer which sucks so they accidentally killed easy volume control in jaunty.
[04:28] <DiecastMessiah> asked some friends and they have no idea.... best they say is try it and see if it work or not with in on or off..
[04:28] <DiecastMessiah> with it** on or off
[04:42] <DiecastMessiah> Ok better question then ... what does Vsync do... godd idea to use or not?
[04:42] <DiecastMessiah> good*
[04:44] <forces> saluton
[04:47] <Firefishe> I'm on a system running xubuntu, ubuntu, and kubuntu (kde 4.2.2).  I'm wanting to boot into xubuntu (xfce4) exclusively, use xfce's desktop, window manager, file manager (thunar)--and have thunar manage *all* file mgmt. issues--but am having problems.  I turned off gnome compatibility, logged back in via kdm's gui login screen, and the x-server was restarted each time.
[04:47] <Firefishe> I logged in via Failsafe, and   did `startxfce4' on the command line.  Here's the output of the terminal:  http://rafb.net/p/EkrjAk38.html
[04:47] <Firefishe> scratch that paste
[04:47] <Firefishe> http://rafb.net/p/4id4Q231.html
[04:47] <Firefishe> first one's  deleted
[04:52] <ron_o> there's reasons why there's a different distro for each display/window manager.
[04:53] <gorgut> does anyone know of a tor package for jaunty>?
[04:54] <psychic> not me
[04:54] <gorgut> wtf. that sucks
[04:54] <dabbill> what network manager does xbuntu use?
[04:54] <psychic> well i thought say i didnt was better then 72 people saying nothing
[04:55] <psychic> hmm i'll try to find that out for u
[04:55] <psychic> and in the mean time check with people in #ubuntu
[04:55] <gorgut> i did, no repsonses there either
[04:55] <psychic> theres alot more people
[04:55] <psychic> try this way
[04:55] <psychic> they hate it but it gets attention
[04:55] <psychic> ask them if u can ask a question
[04:55] <psychic> type it like
[04:55] <psychic> i have a question
[04:56] <psychic> if u dont get some one just flood a bit lol
[04:56] <psychic> just a sec
[04:56] <gorgut> lol
[04:59] <DiecastMessiah> dabbill, mine just says Network Manager Applet
[05:00] <DiecastMessiah> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/  << website for it... its gnome if that helps out
[05:01] <psychic> havn't got anywhere on that one for u gorgut or the network manager question
[05:02] <DiecastMessiah> I missed the question about the network manager
[05:02] <gorgut> DiecastMessiah, what's the question?
[05:02] <DiecastMessiah> no idea... was tring to help out
[05:02] <gorgut> oh lol
[05:03] <ron_o> is there a linux app that can help find where a program is accessing or writing to on me hard drive?
[05:03] <ron_o> lsof ain't cutting it and I don't know why.
[05:03] <DiecastMessiah> like a mount program?
[05:03] <psychic> i dont knwo
[05:03] <ron_o> no.
[05:03] <DiecastMessiah> ohh i see mmmm not sure
[05:04] <ron_o> like if I wanted to know what Xchat was doing, and what files it accessed or where it was writing its log files.
[05:04] <psychic> someone asked about what network manager xubuntu uses i tried to find it couldn't
[05:04] <ron_o> like I said. lsof should do it, but it aint.
[05:04] <DiecastMessiah> best i can say is to open in termial
[05:04] <DiecastMessiah> open it in termial and do what ya do want and then look back to see what it did
[05:04] <ron_o> terminal doesn't give you every nitty detail unless the app has some kind of -vv (extra verbose) settting.
[05:05] <DiecastMessiah> ok then i am no help lol
[05:05] <DiecastMessiah> i guess i was lucky the few times i did that....
[05:06] <psychic> how do u enable restricted drivers
[05:06] <psychic> ?
[05:06] <DiecastMessiah> how i found out alot of sound problem and things.
[05:06] <gorgut> ron_o, "sudo dpkg --listfiles <packagename>" will give you a list of the files that a package installs... does that help?
[05:06] <ron_o> looks like strace will do it.
[05:06] <psychic> is it in synaptic?
[05:06] <ron_o> I'll try it out tomorrow,.
[05:06] <ron_o> gorgut, no.
[05:07] <ron_o> go to fora.tv and watch one of their videos.
[05:07] <DiecastMessiah> in synaptic make sure you allow restricted packages
[05:07] <ron_o> trying to find out where it's being installed on me system.
[05:07] <gorgut> psychic, I would think you would need to uncomment some debs
[05:07] <ron_o> even when I used another web browser, it recognized that it was on my computer.
[05:07] <ron_o> I mean, wtf?
[05:07] <ron_o> see?
[05:07] <gorgut> in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:08] <psychic> ok thanks
[05:08] <psychic> maybe
[05:08] <psychic> gorgut what do u know about display problems
[05:08] <gorgut> psychic, I've had a few
[05:08] <gorgut> hehe
[05:08] <psychic> like ones where u get a lil black border around the screen and cant get the full 1024x768 u need?
[05:09] <DiecastMessiah> well you can turn that on..... and also there are other sources lick you can add
[05:09] <DiecastMessiah> link
[05:09] <gorgut> psychic, not sure about that one. never had anything weird like that happen to me
[05:10] <psychic> lol now it's weird b4 it was just a pain
[05:10] <DiecastMessiah> mmm sound like you need to make bigger on the monitor itself... or you have some problems with Margins
[05:11] <DiecastMessiah> check out settings in workspaces and Margins to be sure
[05:12] <DiecastMessiah> because i have odd things.. when i change screen res's i have to tweak my monitor just a little to get rid of black area
[05:12] <jek2bd> found gnome-volume-control using catfish but its not the interactive panel control I had before
[05:12] <arrrghhh> ok, so i KNOW i have flash installed (i have xubuntu-restricted-extras installed) - is there something different in jaunty?  i lost flash in that upgrade.  or do i need to symlink that .so file again?
[05:12] <psychic> good for u jek2bd
[05:13] <psychic> maybe u can make a link to it on your tool bar
[05:13] <DiecastMessiah> add your Keys??
[05:14] <jek2bd> it just pops open a window like xfce-mixer but it opens much faster. go figure
[05:15] <psychic> 3hrs 38 mins on 9.04...
[05:15] <psychic> about 4 hrs
[05:16] <psychic> and its been downloading for 2 or 3 now
[05:16] <psychic> 18 kB/s lol
[05:16] <psychic> i should have gone with torrents
[05:16] <psychic> now its 56.3
[05:16] <psychic> 2 hrs
[05:16] <psychic> 4 hrs
[05:17] <psychic> sorry i know i'm flooding it's fun tho
[05:17] <DiecastMessiah> jek2bd, when you close the ternimal does the vol_ controll go away to
[05:17] <psychic> jek2bd mabe there is something in the properties to place it in the toolbar
[05:17] <jek2bd> when I launch it from the terminal yes
[05:18] <jek2bd> when I use a launcher in the panel no
[05:18] <jek2bd> not trying to be a smart a$$ I'm a newbie
[05:19] <psychic> me 2 but i'm exploretive
[05:19] <psychic> u cant mess anything up 2 much
[05:19] <DiecastMessiah> I newbie to... but i like to help out.. with i can .
[05:19] <psychic> ooh that reminds me
[05:19] <gorgut> psychic, apparently you Tor was dropped from Jaunty due to lack of maintaining
[05:20] <gorgut> have to use the latest version for intrepid from a different repo
[05:20] <jek2bd> the only way I've been able to get a volume control to stick in the panel since 9.04 is to ad it as a launcher like you would any other program. my volume controls disappeared in the upgrade. I wonder though if I log in with a fresh config if it would come back
[05:20] <DiecastMessiah> anyway i am off later all
[05:20] <psychic> theres an app that backs up your sysytem so if u have a problem u can restore to a specific point instead of being stuck with a case where after u get all the bugs out u need to start back at a bug filled reinstall like state
[05:20] <DiecastMessiah> ohhh
[05:21] <jek2bd> like blow away my settings and have them be set to defaults
[05:21] <psychic> and gorgut i dont know what a tor is
[05:21] <psychic> torrent?
[05:21] <DiecastMessiah> jek2bd, try to open with Alt F2. then logout and save session
[05:21] <DiecastMessiah> see if that will do it....
[05:22] <gorgut> psychic, Tor: "The Onion Router" it's a anonymizing agent
[05:22] <DiecastMessiah> my panels gone me one day and thats how i got it back
[05:22] <psychic> it's still downloading it's just downloading slow.... theres lots of people geting it from the same source as me apparently
[05:23] <jek2bd> ok f2 does nothing on desktop if that's what you meant
[05:23] <psychic> diecast what is the command for jek2bd after the alt f2?
[05:23] <jek2bd> alt f2
[05:23] <psychic> gorgut hmmm?
[05:23] <DiecastMessiah> well you said you open it.... not sure the command
[05:23] <psychic> jek2bd u still on the volume control or is it somthing else
[05:23] <psychic> ?
[05:24] <DiecastMessiah> just use alt f2 .. run command window not the ternimal
[05:24] <psychic> yea tru
[05:24] <DiecastMessiah> then just reboot
[05:24] <psychic> there is a list of run commands somewhere i'll do a search for u jek2bd
[05:24] <psychic> brb
[05:24] <DiecastMessiah> or logout.. should work... just to save the session
[05:24] <jek2bd> ok thx already have a launcher in panel but it only opens window not interactive volume control like b4
[05:24] <psychic> i gave up on my own tech probs for now
[05:25] <DiecastMessiah> nm the launcher you made
[05:25] <jek2bd> its workable just annoying to loose something obviously useful like the volume control when upgrading
[05:26] <DiecastMessiah> ok well thats all the idea i have....
[05:26] <DiecastMessiah> later all
[05:26] <jek2bd> thanks for all your help
[05:26] <DiecastMessiah> off you play some urbanterror
[05:26] <jek2bd> I really appreciate it
[05:27] <jek2bd> bye yall
[05:29] <psychic> jek2bd i just remembered somthing
[05:29] <psychic> oo to late
[06:45] <keb> i just dist-upgraded to xubuntu 9.04 and now my desktop background wont change color
[07:17] <pcfreak30> ok, could anyone give me a clue as to why flock freezes 5 times a minute
[07:20] <keb> maybe it doesnt work with your version of gdm or xorg
[07:20] <pcfreak30> anyone home...
[07:20] <pcfreak30> no
[07:20] <pcfreak30> it works
[07:20] <pcfreak30> i have 9.04
[07:21] <pcfreak30> but it goes "uninterriptable' too much
[07:21] <pcfreak30> llike almost every action i take
[07:21] <pcfreak30> and is the highest memory hog in my cpu
[07:21] <pcfreak30> then firefx would be highest
[07:24] <pcfreak30> so, anyone have any ideas as why this is occuring
[07:25] <pcfreak30> uniterruptable
[07:25] <pcfreak30> over 5 times a minut
[07:26] <pcfreak30> freezes for like 20-30 secs a time
[07:26] <pcfreak30> it is version 2.0.3
[07:27] <keb> what if you kill it, does your system still freeze like that
[07:28] <pcfreak30> keb: its not the system
[07:28] <pcfreak30> flock feezes
[07:28] <pcfreak30> nothing else
[07:28] <pcfreak30> its equal to not respnding in windoze
[07:29] <pcfreak30> and does it 5 times a min
[07:29] <keb> how do you know it is flock and not something that flock depends on
[07:29] <pcfreak30> well
[07:30] <pcfreak30> i got the install from getdebs.net
[07:30] <pcfreak30> manually put in flash
[07:30] <pcfreak30> and it works like crap
[07:31] <keb> if you use synaptic or apt-get to install extra stuff, it will be properly integrated into your system
[07:31] <pcfreak30> um no...
[07:31] <pcfreak30> if u tryed it ur self
[07:31] <pcfreak30> its not in the repos
[07:31] <pcfreak30> or i would have
[07:31] <keb> i dunno how goot getdebs.net is
[07:32] <pcfreak30> well they make it easir
[07:32] <pcfreak30> cause it goes innto the /opts dir by default
[07:32] <keb> maybe its not in there because it isnt compatible
[07:32] <pcfreak30> this got put in standard
[07:32] <keb> you might have to compile it from source to ensure it works right
[07:32] <pcfreak30> i used the 8.10 version cause its all they had
[07:33] <pcfreak30> i may try
[07:33] <pcfreak30> but will do other things first
[07:33] <pcfreak30> btw
[07:34] <pcfreak30> does anyone have any clue as to why the ubuntu boot screen refuses to appear on my vizio lcd hd tv
[07:35] <pcfreak30> ...
[07:35] <JohnWp> hi, i was wondering what's the easiest way to browse files via smb with xubuntu, im running it in a virtual machine and ive shared the outside files with vmware and ive installed the vmware tools
[07:35] <Slonkie> Might wanna try gigolo
[07:35] <JohnWp> i tried googling about but most of its outdated
[07:35] <pcfreak30> vmware or vbox
[07:36] <JohnWp> is there a smb sharer gui i can install, i tried looking at Linneighborhood
[07:36] <JohnWp> but it's not in the repos anymore
[07:37] <Slonkie> Gigolo
[07:38] <pcfreak30> man, flock was bugging. now ff is doing it...
[07:38] <pcfreak30> how can i get my lcd tv to show the ubuntu boot screen
[07:38] <JohnWp> linkthanks Slonkie
[07:39] <Slonkie> Applications>System>Remote Filesystems
[07:39] <Slonkie> or type gigolo in terminal, whatever you prefer :).
[07:41] <pcfreak30> how can i get my lcd tv to show the ubuntu boot screen? anyone
[07:42] <Slonkie> Is your lcd tv your primary screen?
[07:42] <pcfreak30> yes
[07:43] <pcfreak30> it has a rgb hook up
[07:43] <JohnWp> Slonkie: can Gigilo do discovery?
[07:43] <pcfreak30> to my tower
[07:43] <pcfreak30> so tv = monitor
[07:43] <pcfreak30> its used for my hd tv as well
[07:43] <pcfreak30> aka digital cable
[07:44] <pcfreak30> johwp: dont believe so. i looked at it. no option 4 it
[07:58] <JohnWp> Slonkie: i found it, and its shared but where in my / is it
[07:58] <JohnWp> shared to,
[07:58] <JohnWp> the open button in Gigilo doesn't do anything :(
[07:59] <JohnWp> says it's connected
[07:59] <JohnWp> i tried df -h
[07:59] <JohnWp> to see mounted places, doesn't show up
[08:06] <Slonkie> sorry JohnWp, i don't have a solution, but i do have the same problem.
[08:08] <pcfreak30> ok, it seems that the deb had an issue'
[08:08] <pcfreak30> cause the flock.com version works fine
[08:09] <solotim> hi, what is the command name of xfce menu editor?
[08:15] <R1cochet> xfce4-MenuEditor
[08:18] <solotim> thank you ricochet
[08:18] <Maxwell2432> My problem: I just installed Xubuntu 9.04 on my new laptop, it's an HP Pavilion dv1000, and for whatever reason, I am unable to connect to a wireless network, but have internet access when I plug it in with an ethernet cable, any ideas?
[08:19] <solotim> no, system can't find the "xfce4-MenuEditor". I'm using 9.04
[08:20] <Slonkie> Maxwell2432, what's your wireless card?
[08:20] <Slonkie> I'm afraid it's Broadcom since it's HP :(
[08:24] <Maxwell2432> I don't know
[08:25] <Maxwell2432> I was trying to figure that out earlier, but gave up.
[08:25] <Slonkie> type lspci
[08:25] <Maxwell2432> D:
[08:26] <Slonkie> Should show you it
[08:26] <Maxwell2432> 06:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[08:26] <R1cochet> do u have the driver?
[08:27] <Slonkie> What i expected.. Sorry i don't know the solution, but now you might be able to get help on google.
[08:27] <Maxwell2432> :(
[08:28] <Maxwell2432> No, I do not have the driver
[08:28] <Maxwell2432> well, actually i don't know.
[08:40] <Firefishe> I'm on a system running xubuntu, ubuntu, and kubuntu (kde 4.2.2).  I'm wanting to boot into xubuntu (xfce4) exclusively, use xfce's desktop, window manager, file manager (thunar)--and have thunar manage *all* file mgmt. issues--but am having problems.  I turned off gnome compatibility, logged back in via kdm's gui login screen, and the x-server was restarted each time.
[08:40] <Firefishe> I logged in via Failsafe, and   did `startxfce4' on the command line.  Here's the output of the terminal:  http://rafb.net/p/4id4Q231.html
[08:47] <foogmaa> hmm, I haven't tried that kind of system in a long time
[08:47] <Firefishe> xfce only, eh?
[08:47] <foogmaa> I wonder if all the DMs can play together anymore
[08:47] <Firefishe> yah, tell me about it
[08:48] <foogmaa> yeah, I'm exclusively Xfce at this point
[08:48] <Firefishe> xfce is  up, but I have gnome/nautilus icons
[08:48] <foogmaa> Xubuntu has a lot of Gnome stuff in it
[08:49] <foogmaa> now that I think about it, Gnome has been messing around with their session manager
[08:49] <foogmaa> no telling how much stuff they have come up whether you want it or not
[08:50] <foogmaa> I really don't know, though
[08:51] <foogmaa> I played around with a minimal system... added xorg and openbox
[08:51] <foogmaa> and before I knew it, I was adding Thunar and Xfce panel
[08:51] <foogmaa> so... I realized I was just rebuilding Xubuntu from the ground up :P
[10:58] <Slonkie> you gotta love firefox eating 1gb of memory for 5 tabs -_-
[11:11] <Sinister> out of how many ?
[11:15] <basajaun> hi all
[11:18] <basajaun> usb ntfs drive still do not mount in 9.04 bug  347034 in lauchpad any ideas?
[11:25] <Lusule> hey there :) i'm trying to get bitlbee working in irssi in xubuntu, but when i try to connect it says connection refused to local host - i guess this is because i need to restart the daemon but none of the commands relating to xinetd seem to work - what is the command to start the bitlbee daemon?
[11:32] <pleia2> Lusule: use with care, but these directions might get you on the right track: http://www.chinnodog.com/?p=102
[11:33] <pleia2> (assuming /etc/init.d/xinetd restart doesn't work magically)
[11:33] <Lusule> pleia2: says command not found when i try that
[11:34] <pleia2> oh, probably need to install xinetd :) the directions above say that too
[11:35] <Lusule> pleia2: thanks i'll have a look - what does xubuntu use as a daemon as standard then?
[11:36] <pleia2> in this case it's not really an xubuntu thing, it's just how the bitlbee package works
[11:37] <pleia2> I don't see many packages using xinetd these days, mostly they have their own init scripts in /etc/init.d/
[11:39] <pleia2> Lusule: hmm, is there an /etc/init.d/bitlbee restart command?
[11:40] <Lusule> lol
[11:40] <Lusule> yes
[11:40] <pleia2> oops :)
[11:40] <Lusule> does that mean all that faff with xinetd isn't needed?
[11:40]  * Lusule starts uninstalling
[11:40] <Lusule> thanks pleia2 :)
[11:40] <pleia2> looks like, sorry, the bitlbee package has changed a bit between releases, I haven't kept up
[11:42] <Lusule> :)
[11:42] <Lusule> ah well, at least it's a simple solution now :)
[11:43] <pleia2> working, I hope?
[11:43] <Lusule> well, i'm connected to localhost :)
[11:43] <pleia2> great! :)
[11:43] <Lusule> so thanks!
[11:43] <pleia2> quite welcome
[13:33] <keb> i got a lot of messages like this when upgrading to 9.04: Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".
[13:34] <Nomikos> Just upgraded to 9.04 which worked, but I get a regular terminal instead of a gui on reboot. Suggestions?
[13:34] <Nomikos> I had once installed Kubuntu-desktop on it, a mention of which briefly flashes during boot (something about "could not start K-Desktop, not the default")
[13:42] <waan> I've just installed xubuntu and I cannot get the wireless adapter to connect. I have a Linksys WAP45G (BCM4318)
[13:43] <waan> Checked the hardware drivers and there's nothing in there.
[13:46] <BCM43> Does anyone know why my xorg.conf would be blank?
[14:06] <titan_ark> hey :)
[14:06] <titan_ark> 9.04 looks great!
[14:07] <basajaun> ntfs usb drives are not read in  9.04 and its driving me crazzy
[14:08] <basajaun> a bug has been filed in launchpad #347034
[14:09] <basajaun> I wish to God someone had an Idea before I roll back to another version
[14:11] <BCM43> basajaun: really?
[14:12] <BCM43> wtf?
[14:13] <basajaun> BCM43,   yes been battling with the problem since I installed 9.04
[14:14] <BCM43> basajaun: that sucks. I'm still struggling to change my xorg.conf
[14:14] <basajaun> BCM43,  on 9.04 ?
[14:15] <BCM43> basajaun: no, 8.10
[14:15] <basajaun> I must be stupid everything was running well in 8.10
[14:15] <basajaun> oops
[14:15] <BCM43> lol
[14:16] <basajaun> what is the problem then BCM43 ?
[14:16] <BCM43> some idiot decided that there should no longer be an xorg.conf
[14:16] <basajaun> lol yes
[14:17] <basajaun> do you have a screen resolution problem?
[14:17] <BCM43> now, i get artifacting, and the fix requires me to change a non-existent file.
[14:17] <waan> I'm trying to get my wireless working, it says wpc54g's don't work out of the box so i'm googling like crazy
[14:19] <titan_ark> :O
[14:19] <BCM43> waan: http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Wireless_Adapters&message.id=2987
[14:19] <BCM43> that help at all?
[14:20] <waan> I'll check it out
[14:20]  * basajaun curses in seven more or less known languages
[14:21] <waan> I think that's a bit old, it was working in ubuntu 8.10 before I Just installed the latest xubuntu and I never had to worry about any of that ndiswrapper stuff. Just installed fwcutter and extracted the drivers
[14:23] <waan> but I don't even see that program in synaptic
[14:23] <BCM43> use aptitude
[14:24] <waan> There are some posts on the ubuntu forums regarding jaunty so i'll check those first
[14:24] <waan> BCM43, what is aptitude?
[14:24] <BCM43> waan: a command. What are you trying to install?
[14:25] <waan> A firmware extracter for broadcom chipsets, but I don't even know if I am supposed to do that with the new version
[14:26] <waan> BCM43, ahh nevermind its b43-fwcutter found it
[14:26] <BCM43> k
[14:26] <BCM43> good
[14:27] <waan> BCM43, ahhhhh now that I am connected to the internet it found the driver to install via "Hardware Drivers" so I should be fine
[14:27] <BCM43> waan: nice
[14:28] <waan> I wonder why it wasn't listed there when I was offline, I would have just plugged straight in and installed it instead of worrying about what the problem was @_@
[14:28] <waan> BCM43, there is no xorg file in 8.10?
[14:28] <BCM43> waan: no
[14:34] <waan> Mine had one for 8.10 and 9.40 but they had nothing usefull in them, just default monitor/screen with no settings
[14:34] <waan> BCM43, so you should be able to just define those sections and make whatever changes you need
[14:34] <waan> Mostly because settings are automatically configured by the xserver now
[14:35] <BCM43> nothing at all for me. Idk what to do
[14:35] <BCM43> i miss xorg.conf :(
[14:35] <basajaun> ow BCM43  :)
[14:36] <BSE> aah :D
[14:36] <BSE> I just understood ubuntu versioning :[
[14:36] <BCM43> lol
[14:36] <basajaun> lol
[14:36] <BSE> well, but I have a problem, Jaunty changed how panel behaves?
[14:37] <waan> try this it should restore your xorg file, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[14:37] <BSE> I am not able to add there anything :(
[14:37] <BCM43> now look at debian versioning
[14:37]  * basajaun looks at the useless usb drives and cracks up
[14:37] <BCM43> lol
[14:38] <waan> BCM43, or just "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[14:39] <waan> I don't really know what "-phigh" does
[14:39] <BCM43> lol
[14:41] <waan> also, did enybody else get a notification right after installing, that the language pack is not completely installed?
[14:46] <keb> waan when you get that notification, click on it and follow instructions, it will go away afterwards
[14:48] <waan> keb, yeah I am installing the language packs now. There are some files for openoffice too. Any idea why they are needed?
[14:49] <waan> some stuff they missed out of the release?
[14:50] <keb> for spell check and stuff
[14:50] <keb> there was a problem with install taking forever due to language packs, so they may have delayed those until after first bootup
[14:50] <basajaun> two module-errors at start up
[14:51] <keb> im speculating, but i was one of those who reported the problem last year for low memory systems
[14:51] <waan> Ahh ok, thanks for the info. System is all updated now and ready to use
[14:52] <waan> BCM43, any luck?
[14:59] <basajaun> just hope a fix comes out I have to split now bye all good luck waan  and BCM43
[15:00] <basajaun> bye
[15:27] <duritong> hi
[15:27] <duritong> so I updated
[15:27] <artistxe> hey
[15:27] <duritong> an I was hit by http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1127373 as well
[15:28] <artistxe> uhhhh. no
[15:28] <duritong> as well I can't figure out how I can edit the menu, as my customized menu got lost during the update (the old xml file is still in the .config) anybody knows anything?
[15:30] <artistxe> duritong : first. trying to find it in the new settings manager. but there is a setting to let xfce manage your desktop. also. are you SURE you are not logged into a gnome session ?
[15:31] <artistxe> as far as losing any info during the update, you did do a backup ?
[15:32] <duritong> artistxe: I changed the session to xfce and I have the menu and everything
[15:32] <duritong> and I can't find it in the new settings manager
[15:32] <duritong> where should the menu editing be?
[15:33] <artistxe> hmmm. I remember going directly to a file somewhere and deleting the entries manually
[15:33] <artistxe> still trying to find everything again from my previous version
[15:35] <artistxe> duritong : which menu ( maybe window-list) or do you mean the desktop menu ?
[15:35] <duritong> well in general the xfce menu
[15:36] <duritong> so I assume the desktop-menu
[15:36] <duritong> ahhh
[15:36] <artistxe> there is an app called alacarte to edit menus
[15:37] <duritong> yeah but this one edits the wrong menu
[15:38] <duritong> any changes to this menu won't be respected by xfce
[15:38] <artistxe> checking it right now
[15:40] <artistxe> hmmm
[15:40] <duritong> artistxe: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[15:41] <artistxe> seeing that bug in listed on other forums as well
[15:41] <artistxe> duritong, yes. that is file I was speaking of. to edit anything manually is the best way imo
[15:41] <duritong> I can change the location of the menu file using right click on the menu and then properties
[15:42] <duritong> however choosing the old format will fail
[15:42] <artistxe> erg.
[15:42] <duritong> so I assume I have to change to the new format
[15:42] <artistxe> having an issue myself here. trying to see if I can get 3d acceleration from my vid card or I may end up reverting to 8.10
[15:43] <duritong> mine is working fine
[15:43] <duritong> well starting of compiz got lost, but that isn't that annoying
[15:44] <artistxe> duritong. I have one of the ATI cards that is no longer supported , but I am the type to (usually with success) find a workaround
[15:44] <duritong> hmm yeah ati cards suck
[15:45] <artistxe> yes. but I bought this laptop for my girl and did not want her stuck with windows
[15:46] <duritong> I can understand that
[15:46] <artistxe> everything works fine excepting applications like Google Earth or 3d games which we don't use anyway
[15:46] <artistxe> but. I do want to use certain applications fullscreen
[15:52] <tingle> hi, since i installed 9.04 i cant maximize windows anymore whit alt+f5 what was normally default in the previous release. Could someone point me in the right direction to set the shortcut again?
[15:55] <artistxe> settings manager > keyboard maybe
[16:22] <zerothis> I have a borderless window that can be dragged (no resize, min/maximise/close) somewhere and need it for a presentation. How can I move it back on screen?
[16:27] <BSE> zerothis: huh? what somewhere means?
[16:29] <titan_ark_> .
[16:29] <zerothis> its not in alt+tab, not in windows list, not on screen. its 'missing'
[16:29] <BSE> ah :(
[16:29] <BSE> not even little part of it is visible?
[16:33] <zerothis> BSE: good point. no, I checked the edges and corners of my screens, not even a pixel for dragging.
[16:33] <BSE> and it just disapeared, or opened "away" already?
[16:34] <BSE> if opened, maybe in some config file there is wrong position :/
[16:34] <BSE> or you have another screen, just not visible [I had the problem before when I was on windows - dual display without second monitor]
[16:39] <zerothis> I have VGA-0 left of DVI-0. there is an S-Video on my card that;'s never worked, but I just got jaunty few days ago, all xrandr it off and see what happens opened away already. a config file would be standard, this is a 'Christian' app, standards are apperently un-Christian :)
[16:47] <kromar> what append to disk manager? cant find it anymore since i upgraded to 9.04
[17:47] <forces> saluton
[17:48] <nahoJ> hey all. did a fresh install of xubuntu 9.04 and my sound card seems to not work, any ideas? in mixer it says intel 82801db-ich4
[18:05] <pcfreak30> could anyone help me get the boot logo to appear on a vizip lcd hd tv...
[18:07] <pcfreak30> vizio*
[18:09] <pcfreak30> anyone??
[18:25] <tingle> hi, since i installed 9.04 i cant maximize windows anymore whit alt+f5 what was normally default in the previous release. Could someone point me in the right direction to set the shortcut again?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Maximize windows should be Alt+F10; see the shortcuts in Applications -> Settings > Window Manager
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Some stuff got moved and re-arranged to comply closer to freedesktop.org standards
[18:31] <tingle> charlie-tca: ty
[18:31] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:31] <Idespnnr> pcfreak30: the issue with a boot logo not on your TV is probably because of a resolution your TV doesnt support
[18:31] <ZeZu> where is the network / wireless panel in xubuntu ?
[18:32] <charlie-tca> ZeZu: upper right in the panel. Same as Ubuntu
[18:33] <ZeZu> ok
[18:37] <pcfreak30> how do i change the resolution of the boot logo
[18:37] <ZeZu> usplash.conf then redo initramfs
[18:38] <charlie-tca> modify /etc/usplash.conf
[18:39] <pcfreak30> ok thats odd
[18:40] <pcfreak30> my boot logo wont come up\
[18:40] <pcfreak30> but the resolution is set correctly
[18:40] <pcfreak30> oh, um where does apt put source packages
[18:43] <pcfreak30> where does apt put source packages
[19:20] <jek2bd> for those with laptops with volume control issues in jaunty you can add xfc4-mixer to your panel and if you mouse over it you can then adjust volume with scroll wheel (right side of track pad on mine) I have no idea why the volume controls are disabled
[19:24] <jek2bd> how do I find out what number a given key combo like fn+ rightarrow is so I can then enter said number in /usr/share/acpi-support/key-constants and even if I change something here will it change what a given key is mapped to?
[19:25] <jek2bd> all asleep?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe nobody knows the answer
[19:34] <Slonkie> Anyone experiencing that listen music player wont open when one double clicks an .mp3 file (Listen is set to defaut for this, and nothing else opens)
[19:35] <jek2bd> the mapping to my volume keys broke when I upgraded to jaunty I'm just trying to fix that possibly by forcing the key combo (whatever number that maps to I've no idea how to find out) to map to what it was / what I want it to be...
[19:35] <vinnl> Slonkie, nope, I don't use Listen... Could you try opening it from a terminal window and see if it produces any output there?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: yes, there is a bug on it.
[19:36] <jek2bd> I had that happen with listen when I didn't have all the codecs loaded
[19:36] <Slonkie> Okay charlie-tca.
[19:36] <Slonkie> vinnl, may i ask which mediaplayer you use?
[19:36] <vinnl> Slonkie, Music Player Daemon, but that really isn't for everyone :P
[19:37] <Slonkie> Okay. :)
[19:37] <vinnl> I've used a lot though, I remember I quite liked Rhythmbox, and Banshee as well but that's quite heavy. Quod Libet is decent too
[19:37] <Slonkie> yeah i don't really like those. Listen or Amarok i prefer
[19:38] <vinnl> Heh, long live freedom of choice :)
[19:40] <psychic> i have a message when i start my computer it says no exec line in session file xfce4 is that because i updgraded to 9.04???
[19:40] <charlie-tca> yes, psychic
[19:41] <psychic> how do i fix it?
[19:41] <psychic> or make it stop telling me that if its not needed?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Change .dmrc in your /home to xfce
[19:41] <psychic> how do i get there?
[19:41] <psychic> terminal or somthing
[19:42] <charlie-tca> right now it should be ~/.drmc has Session=xfce4
[19:42] <charlie-tca> open places, your name,
[19:42] <vinnl> psychic, in Thunar, press Ctrl+H to show hidden files
[19:43] <charlie-tca> then cursor down to .dmrc
[19:43] <charlie-tca> double-click it to edit it.
[19:45] <psychic> it looks like this in the file
[19:45] <psychic> Desktop]
[19:45] <psychic> Session=xfce4
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Yes, change it to Session=xfce
[19:45] <psychic> [Desktop]
[19:45] <psychic> Session=xfce4
[19:45] <psychic> o ok
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Then save the file. Next time you log in, the error should be gone
[19:46] <psychic> ok
[19:46] <psychic> anyone know how to fix display probs
[19:46] <psychic> i am stuck in max of 800x600
[19:46] <psychic> i need 1024x768
[19:47] <psychic> and display doesn't exist in the menu
[19:47] <charlie-tca> You don't have Applications -> Settings -> Display?
[19:47] <psychic> nah
[19:48] <psychic> i lost it as i was trying to manualy config it but it didnt matter because even wwhen i had it in settings it didnt help
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Select recovery mode from the Grub menu, then select XFix .
[19:50] <psychic> hmm thats what caused the prob in the first palce
[19:50] <psychic> and does failsafe have somthing to do with this problem in any likelyness
[19:51] <charlie-tca> what is "failsafe?
[19:52] <psychic> i dont know it says something about it when i start up
[19:52] <jek2bd> xfce4-display-settings is the program just run it in bash
[19:52] <psychic> thought it was like safe mode in windows
[19:53] <psychic> it stil dont go higher then 800x600
[19:53] <psychic> thanks tho now i know that command
[19:53] <psychic> ey jek2bd whats up back again
[19:53] <psychic> i didnt even realise who was typing
[19:54] <jek2bd> not much
[19:54] <jek2bd> found where keys are mapped to numbers controlling vol but no idea what the number is for my keys I want LOL
[19:54] <psychic> u know just as u left the room i thought i found somthing that would fix ur audio inconvience
[19:54] <psychic> brb
[19:55] <jek2bd> jek2bd = just enough knowledge 2 be dangerous
[19:56] <psychic> u know how to get to the menu of items that start with your computer
[19:56] <psychic> ?
[19:56] <jek2bd> yes I think its in settings
[19:56] <psychic> yea
[19:56] <psychic> i found 2 that get me there
[19:57] <psychic> go there unlock and then click the audio ones
[19:57] <psychic> theres a few
[19:57] <jek2bd> thanks I'll try that
[19:57] <psychic> its called services
[19:57] <psychic> go to it
[19:58] <psychic> it should work for u
[19:59] <jek2bd> ok I found sessions and startup is there a different one?
[19:59] <jek2bd> there
[19:59] <psychic> services is what i use
[19:59] <vinnl> jek2bd, Services is under System
[19:59] <psychic> yea thanks
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Services
[19:59] <jek2bd> thanks vinnl
[19:59]  * charlie-tca too slow again
[20:01] <psychic> ***not pro enough in this
[20:01] <jek2bd> I have all the audio services enabled from last night stumbled upon it and still no volume keys working
[20:01] <psychic> how u do that star thing
[20:01] <psychic> hmm
[20:01] <psychic> i'll look for somthing brb
[20:03] <psychic> are u using the right device in sound properties
[20:04] <charlie-tca> jek2bd: when you right-click the volume control in the panel, left-click properties, try selecting different things under mixer control
[20:04] <psychic> he doesn't have it in panel
[20:04] <charlie-tca> rather, mixer track
[20:04] <jek2bd> who knows it adjusts my volume when I slide the slider with the mixer window open and neither of the two options give me make the volume keys on my keyboard work
[20:04] <charlie-tca> then it needs to be added?
[20:05] <psychic> yea thats should be in the mixer properties
[20:05] <psychic> right?
[20:05] <jek2bd> I have it in panel now as a launcher and if I put my mouse over the icon I can adjust it using the equiv of the scroll wheel (right side of my track pad)
[20:05] <charlie-tca> They probably need to be added to Applications -> Settings -> Keyboard; shortcuts
[20:06] <psychic> i dont know how to config that stuff
[20:06] <psychic> i dont need to know yet tho
[20:06] <jek2bd> ok I'll play with that. it doesn't work now so it can't get worse LOL
[20:07] <charlie-tca> All you do is open it, click add, tell it what to do, hit the key you want it assigned to.
[20:07] <jek2bd> ok but I don't want to launch a program I want to perform an action within a program
[20:08] <jek2bd> the add dialog opens a file browser for the command or script you want to launch with that hotkey
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Yes, you just tell it that, but I don't know the commands for volume. It should be like volume=au0 for off?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> You don't have to put a program name in, you can put just a command to be performed
[20:09] <jek2bd> my mute button works its the up/down vol that broke :)
[20:10] <charlie-tca> You do have to use a valid command, which I don't know
[20:11] <jek2bd> ok where is the command to increase volume is there a man page for it apropos volume is mostly about disks and there's one entry for xfc4-mixer and it's man page doesn't show a flag for schooching the vol one way or the other
[20:12] <jek2bd> info xfce4-mixer isn't any more helpful than the man page was its cookie cutter.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> !keyboard
[20:12] <charlie-tca> !shortcuts
[20:13] <jek2bd> frustrated at having to do that since it was working before and jaunty broke it
[20:14] <charlie-tca> It is just because there are so many changes with Xfce 4.6
[20:15] <kara> How do I add thunderbird icon to the main bar, next to my firefox icon?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Add a launcher to the panel for thunderbird
[20:15] <kara> ah ok, I will try and figure that out. THanks for the tip
[20:16] <dpnux> App finder would help :)
[20:16] <vinnl> kara, right click the panel, select Add New Item, then Launcher. Then open Applications->Accessories->Appfinder and drag Thunderbird to the left pane of the launcher dialog (you can remove the existing item in that pane)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> You can get all the information for the launcher from /usr/share/applications/thunderbird
[20:16] <vinnl> (And yes, that process should, and will, be easier ;-)
[20:16] <jek2bd> kara icons are un usr/shar/pixmaps so you can find them if you're still running 8.10
[20:16] <charlie-tca> vinnl: does that work now?
[20:17] <Slonkie> yes
[20:17] <vinnl> charlie-tca, only to the launcher dialog, not to the panel itself :(
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Oh, I see!
[20:17] <kara> Thanks a lot guys!  Thanks so much guys. This is why I love the Linux community.
[20:20] <vinnl> ^.^
[20:22] <Slonkie> :-D
[20:22] <BSE> hmm, I am not able to add governor to the panel
[20:23] <BSE> and it changed back the application menu and I forgot where I changed it :D
[20:25] <BSE> it changed - upgrade to jaunty
[20:29] <charlie-tca> BSE: what changed back?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> The menu formats are different for Jaunty, so the 8.10 configuration files don't work with it
[20:30] <BSE> yeah, thats probably it
[20:30] <BSE> but I am not able to find where to set it again as I want:(
[20:31] <charlie-tca> There is no menu editor now. Perhaps http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu  will help?
[20:32] <BSE> charlie-tca: I would kiss, you, but probably youll not appreciate a kiss from man :D
[20:32] <charlie-tca> You're right. Just a hug will do.
[20:33]  * BSE hugs charlie-tca
[20:33] <BSE> :)
[20:33]  * charlie-tca thanks BSE and hugs him back
[20:33] <dpnux> guys, how to detect the correct nvidia driver? i am using 420Go.
[20:35] <dpnux> never mind, I found some info on Nvidia Website.
[20:36] <BSE> hmm, shouldnt driver pack detect it automatic?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> depends on the version of Xubuntu
[20:37] <dpnux> yes, but there are 3 driver version but it lead to 96.xx driver
[20:38] <dpnux> charlie-tca: Jaunty, mate.
[20:38] <charlie-tca> I normally pick the latest version, but on my old cards, I only get 96 showing, too
[20:39] <dpnux> I just move from ubuntu to clean xubuntu which is very fast for my old laptop.
[20:39] <charlie-tca> That's good to hear
[20:39] <pcfreak30> how do u compile source packages with apt
[20:40] <pcfreak30> like if i downloaded the source, then modified it
[20:40] <pcfreak30> how could i hae apt compile and build
[20:40] <pcfreak30> have*
[20:41] <charlie-tca> I would say "google" for that one
[20:41] <pcfreak30> tried
[20:42] <charlie-tca> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=custom&ct=res&cd=2&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FCompilingEasyHowTo&ei=ELn0SbfyB5estgfshci9Dw&usg=AFQjCNFUcmZlTA48SfHThifCbgIPZ6AkfA
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Or, to say it simpler: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[21:31] <kaleb> I am making this xubuntu computer for the kids and I am wanting to remove all programs from the application list except the ones they are going to use. How would I go about that?
[21:32] <kaleb> Like I want to remove, system and other
[21:32] <charlie-tca> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu would probably help with that
[21:33] <nom_> in xubuntu 9.04 I change my display resolution to 1024X768 but each time I log back in its changed back to 800x600
[21:33] <nom_> how do I fix that
[21:33] <kaleb> Thanks Charlie
[21:33] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:34] <BCM43> I have a 82830 CGC and I am getting huge amounts of artifacts. Solution here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61433 involves editing xorg.conf
[21:35] <charlie-tca> If you add the sections you need to xorg.conf, Xubuntu should use it.
[21:35] <BCM43> charlie-tca, k, thanks
[21:36] <nom_> charlie-tca,  how do I add a section to xorg.conf?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> edit it using gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:41] <nom_> Where is the image used as background on the login screen? I would love to use it as my wallpaper its very beautiful
[21:42] <charlie-tca> look in /usr/share/gdm
[21:43] <charlie-tca> Yup, /usr/share/gdm/themes/Xubuntu-jaunty , I think
[21:50] <kio5> I installed xbuntu on an old Dell Optiplex and I'm getting the dreaded no network devices available. http://paste.ubuntu.com/158803/ anyone have any suggestions to help a newb out?
[21:57] <charlie-tca> The card is detected, what does "ifconfig" tell you?
[21:57] <charlie-tca> nm, I see it now
[21:58] <charlie-tca> nm, I see it now
[21:59] <kio5> I have the syslog handy too if your interested.
[22:09] <charlie-tca> No, it won't help me. I don't know how to get it to show up.
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone will, give them a chance
[22:09] <kio5> Ok, thanks for looking into it.
[22:13] <psychic> whos still here
[22:13] <psychic> ???
[22:13] <psychic> i fixed my display...!!
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Great!
[22:14] <psychic> yea
[22:14] <charlie-tca> how?
[22:14] <psychic> i finaly got it 4 days now
[22:14] <edbin> hi tedious
[22:14] <psychic> it's in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=806835&page=2
[22:14] <tedious> hello
[22:14] <psychic> hello tedious
[22:15] <tedious> I just installed Xubuntu 9.04, and now every time I try to go into Second Life, my laptop shuts off within a couple of minutes.  this only happens with Second Life.  Any ideas on how to keep this from happening?
[22:16] <tedious> hello, psychic
[22:16] <psychic> need help?
[22:16] <tedious> yes, please
[22:16] <psychic> o i see
[22:16] <psychic> i'm not sure on that one
[22:16] <edbin> nor me - totally at a loss
[22:17] <edbin> i have a clean install
[22:17] <edbin> it works fine
[22:17] <psychic> so i'll tell u what i tell everyone u might be able to get ur answer in #ubuntu channel
[22:17] <tedious> oky, thanks, I'll try that
[22:17] <psychic> be persistant
[22:17] <byteframe> Upon installing jaunty, updating, I then install either the 96.XX or 173.XX nvidia proprietary driver, and xfce doesnt start up. I get a blue screen, mouse pointer, and nothing starts up (panel, desktop, etc). I CAN bring up the run dialog by hitting control f-2, and the nvidia driver is working (fast move/resize). How do I debug the xfce desktop?
[22:17] <psychic> they will send u here
[22:18] <tedious> okay :)
[22:18] <psychic> alt f2
[22:18] <psychic> xfdesktop might work
[22:18] <psychic> run it
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Sound like it is the proprietary driver, not the desktop
[22:18] <psychic> o
[22:18] <psychic> and this is how i learn
[22:19] <charlie-tca> If you don't install it, everything works?
[22:20] <edbin> have you tried running xfce4-panel?
[22:27] <byteframe> Yes
[22:27] <byteframe> panel works, but things are weird.
[22:27] <byteframe> The shutdown button just asks to close the panel.
[22:28] <byteframe> The whole xsession doesnt seem to be starting
[22:28] <byteframe> I should try a non automatic login, but it defaintly happens as a result of the nvidia driver.
[22:28] <edbin> ok
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Yes, try the automatic login and add your comments to the bug report, please
[22:28] <charlie-tca> rather, no auto login,
[22:29] <edbin> if you have just started the panel, you will need to log off from applications menu
[22:29] <charlie-tca> bug 351293
[22:29] <edbin> the panel will then start automatically
[22:29] <byteframe> charlie-tca, ah nice, thanks for the bug tip
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks for commenting
[22:29] <byteframe> Word.
[22:30] <byteframe> Slackware forever.
[22:38] <lyml> heya, i just installed ubuntu netbook remix on my eee 700, however it is running a bit slow so I wonder if it is possible to migrate to xubuntu while still keeping the netbook goodies (drivers, launcher, battery settings etc etc) to squeeze a bit better performance out of it?
[22:48] <psychic> what is the best performing 9.04 setup i can do
[22:48] <psychic> is there a theme
[22:49] <psychic> ?
[22:49] <demon_> nice work guys 9.04 looks f*** nice
[22:52] <tedious> I am having trouble with my laptop overheating and shutting off when I am in Second Life since I installed xubuntu 9.04.  can anyone tell me how to adjust my fan speed?
[22:52] <psychic> another trouble uh oh'
[22:53] <demon_> tedious,  lol i am not here to judge but dont you have a real life :D
[22:54] <psychic> what is second life?
[22:54] <demon_> a game
[22:54] <psychic> like a safe mode?
[22:54] <demon_> online
[22:54] <psychic> oo
[22:54] <psychic> ok
[22:54] <demon_> so you can live a second live
[22:54] <demon_> to be what ever you want
[22:54] <psychic> hm
[22:54] <charlie-tca> psychic: A plain background uses the least resources
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Also, no compiz or compositor
[22:55] <psychic> i thought so as far as themes tho is there one in 9.04.. that is least consuming to ram?
[22:55] <psychic> how do i turn that stuff off
[22:55] <psychic> ?
[22:55] <demon_> yes but you need 196 min for the compositor
[22:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know, Have not tested them.
[22:55] <demon_> they are turn off
[22:55] <demon_> on* sorry
[22:55] <tedious> demon_ : yes, I do, thank you, but as my fiance is four thousand miles away, it is the opnly way we get to dance together for the moment...
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Settings -> desktop
[22:56] <charlie-tca> image NONE
[22:56] <demon_> lol tedious  mine is 3000km :)
[22:56] <psychic> aww
[22:56] <psychic> now thats ok by  me
[22:56] <tedious> so demon_ : so you need Second Life too then
[22:56] <psychic> lol
[22:56] <demon_> tedious,  to just a plane ticket :D
[22:56] <tedious> but now I can't stay in more than a minute or two before overheating
[22:56] <demon_> tedious,  its the flash
[22:57] <demon_> that is the problem that is overheating the CPU
[22:57] <demon_> have you ever played this game on linux??
[22:57] <tedious> what I do about it?
[22:57] <tedious> yes, it ran fine in 8.10
[22:57] <psychic> u know i heard someone mention a program tht was eting up 3 gigs of ram and 4 gigs of swap lol
[22:57] <demon_> flash 10?
[22:58] <demon_> try opera tedious
[22:58] <demon_> maybe will heat up less with it
[22:58] <knome> psychic, that's called windows on vmware with unlimited resources
[22:58] <tedious> Second Life is not over browser it's a stand alone application
[22:58] <demon_> lol nice nick knome
[22:58] <knome> demon_, thanks.
[22:59] <knome> demon_, thanks for the nice comment earlier also. :P
[22:59] <demon_> for the xubuntu??
[22:59] <knome> demon_, yeah.
[22:59] <demon_> yeah
[22:59] <demon_> soooooooooooooo manyyyyyyyyyy things to choooooooose
[23:00] <demon_> i can make it the way i like it and its small and i dont need e17 just xfce
[23:00] <demon_> :)
[23:00] <psychic> yea thats right
[23:00] <psychic> whats it do
[23:00] <demon_> knome, here comes the big test if this works i will LOVE IT
[23:01] <knome> demon_, right :P
[23:01] <demon_> nope
[23:01] <demon_> didnt pass the test
[23:01] <demon_> :(
[23:01] <knome> demon_, what is what you are talking about?
[23:01] <demon_> i cant use my web cam
[23:01] <knome> what is its model?
[23:02] <demon_> v4l2
[23:02] <demon_> aaaaaaa model
[23:02] <demon_> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:0929 Logitech, Inc. Labtec WebCam Pro
[23:03] <knome> which logitech?
[23:03] <demon_> labtec webcam pro
[23:03] <knome> d'oh, right.
[23:03] <demon_> :)
[23:03] <demon_> there are some UVC or smt like that drivers but dunno
[23:04] <knome> "This webcam is supported by gspca_zc3xx driver."
[23:04] <demon_> doesnt work mate
[23:04] <demon_> i have tryed with amsn
[23:05] <demon_> knome,  can you help with it
[23:06] <knome> not really.
[23:06] <knome> i have little experience on hardware in general.
[23:06] <knome> i usually just read and test what others have done and successed in.
[23:07] <knome> demon_, have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam ?
[23:07] <demon_> sudo apt-get install xawtv
[23:07] <demon_> will this help?
[23:07] <knome> no idea.
[23:08] <demon_> lol
[23:08] <knome> you always can try
[23:08] <demon_> lol
[23:16] <psychic> whats the run command  for audio?
[23:16] <psychic> colume
[23:16] <psychic> now i'm having that problem
[23:20] <demon_> knome,  still doesnt work
[23:21] <knome> demon_, sorry to hear.
[23:22] <knome> demon_, maybe somebody can help you at some point. i'm sure it is possible to get it working.
[23:26] <Gartral1> how do i adjust gamma in jaunty xubuntu?
[23:26] <Gartral1> using an intel gfx card
[23:30] <Gartral1> lspci | grep VGA gives: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:31] <lukinfore> hi
[23:31] <lukinfore> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367663
[23:31] <lukinfore> wat that been fixed in ubuntu version?
[23:32] <lukinfore> current is 0.7.5-4ubuntu2
[23:46] <likemindead> Anyone loving/hating ext4?
[23:47] <demon_> nope
[23:47] <likemindead> demon_, are you using ext4?
[23:47] <demon_> lemme see
[23:48] <likemindead> It's not the default option. You'd have to manually choose it at install.
[23:48] <demon_> nope 3
[23:48] <demon_> i like 3 its the best
[23:48] <BSE> I was thinking about it, read huge flame in bugging zone, and decided it is not necessary :)
[23:49] <likemindead> I have a couple of friends who've been using it since Thursday. They're loving it. Boot times from 13-20 seconds.
[23:49] <likemindead> I actually just forgot when I installed Xubuntu 9.04 Beta. ;-(
[23:51] <BSE> I am not doing filesystem intensive work and I am booting once per day :P
[23:53] <likemindead> Well, even with ext3, my old 1.8GHz Celeron/2GB RAM desktop is booting running _very_ nicely with Xubuntu 9.04. ^_^
[23:54] <BSE> same here :) with new low-end laptop
[23:56]  * likemindead is away: BBL -- Zombies


[01:48] <geomyidae_> Why does upstart say my service is start/running, when it only contains a single "echo" statement that I already see in the log file?


 Looks like the satellite is back online again
[17:24] <elacheche> hahahaj :D


[00:42] <bdmurray> Why can @paride and edit this post https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/autopkgtest-service/34490 and not @andersson123 or @hyask? Is there something I can do to the post to grant them access to edit it or is there a team they can be made a part of to edit it?
[01:39] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: That does seem odd.
[01:40] <Eickmeyer> Looking into it.
[01:47] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Looks like it needs to be a full-fledged discourse admin to set those kinds of perms. Forwarded to the Matrix channel to get more eyeballs on it.


[03:08] <axw> thumper: re "This kind of goes against a lot of our coding standards."  -- it wasn't intentional :)
[03:08] <axw> I have fixed it.
[03:12] <thumper> cool
[03:12] <thumper> I sort of noticed that in the next file when I saw william's comment
[03:12] <thumper> and realised what you had done
[04:24] <thumper> wallyworld_: cc'ed you on the email with robie about kvm
[04:24] <thumper> as there is some simplestream stuff there
[04:24] <wallyworld_> ok
[04:24] <thumper> for how the infrastructure syncs the images for kvm
[04:25] <thumper> ok, I'm off for the monday afternoon ice-skating / shopping time
[04:25] <thumper> back later to chat to william
[05:37] <axw> wallyworld_, jam: https://codereview.appspot.com/13532047
[05:37] <axw> can't lbox propose at the moment without this
[05:39] <jam> axw: doesn't that mean there is a Logf function that is being used incorrectly?
[05:39] <axw> jam: no, there's two types of Logf
[05:39] <axw> the vet catches one, and errors on the other which is being used correctly
[05:40] <axw> loggo.Logf takes a first parameter of the log level
[05:40] <axw> then the log format
[05:40] <axw> gocheck's C.Logf takes the log format  as the first arg
[05:40] <axw> AFAICT there's no way of telling go vet how to distinguish between the two Logfs
[05:45] <jam> ax
[05:45] <jam> axw: how did the original get proposed at all then?
[05:46] <jam> I'm fine with the change, but I'm curious what happened
[05:47] <axw> jam: yeah I'm not too sure. I will investigate; only thing I can think is that it was proposed, then .lbox.check modified, and a bzr push done
[05:48] <axw> or there was a merge, but I don't think so
[05:48]  * axw gets tea and investigates
[05:53] <axw> jam: it was the latter; there were two independent MPs that got merged
[05:53] <wallyworld_> axw: sorry, was doing school pickup, do you still need me to look?
[05:53] <axw> wallyworld_: s'ok, jam's looking
[05:53] <wallyworld_> ok
[06:07] <jam> axw: LGTM
[06:07] <axw> thanks jam
[07:49] <jam> axw: poke
[07:49] <jam> axw: I'm looking at your localstorage and ssh storage stuff, and really *I* think that the temp directory should be in or at least next-to the storage location. Because there is 0 guarantee that /tmp is going to be on the same filesystem. (often /tmp is a tmpfs, etc)
[07:50] <jam> So I'm happy with "ssh storage uses it until the local provider takes it over", but I think the tmp dir should be under storage
[07:50] <jam> I'm fine with 'tmp' vs '.tmp' I don't think it really matters.
[07:52] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[07:52] <jam> good morning rogpeppe
[07:52] <rogpeppe> jam: hiya
[07:57] <TheMue> heyho all
[08:00] <axw> jam: sorry, was taking a break before. reading now
[08:01] <axw> jam: it will be in /tmp only if you don't tell it where to go
[08:02] <axw> and for the only usage, I will be telling it where to go
[08:02] <jam> axw: but why make that the default rather than next to the storage, since then you are much more sure it will be on the same fs
[08:03] <axw> jam: for sshstorage, the default is next to it. I could make it the same for filestorage too
[08:03] <axw> I didn't do that because it'll pollute the local filesystem for sync/generate-tools metadata
[08:03] <axw> probably not a big deal
[08:03] <axw> for sshstorage, the default is the remote storagedir with ".tmp" appended
[08:04] <jam> axw: I think it makes sense to have them match, and I think putting it inside is nice if it is something we will be managing.
[08:05] <axw> jam: I'll take a look at how feasible it'll be. environs/localstorage may need to change to do something similar. I'm hesitant to change that, because that'll require upgrade checks
[08:05] <jam> axw: why?
[08:06] <jam> if it is the temporary dir, we don't see content in it until it is finalized and then moved into place
[08:06] <jam> right?
[08:06] <axw> right
[08:06] <axw> so the way I did it before was
[08:07] <axw> sshstorage wrote to ${storage}/content, with a staging in ${storage}/tmp
[08:07] <axw> localstorage expects everything to be directly under ${storage}
[08:07] <axw> so I changed sshstorage back to doing that
[08:07] <axw> with a tmp dir as a peer of ${storage}
[08:08] <axw> if I were to not do that, I'd either need to change localstorage to have content/tmp subdirs, or check the feasibility of pointing localstorage at ${storage}/content
[08:11] <jam> axw: so from what you've said, localstorage needs to take over what sshstorage uploaded, right?
[08:11] <axw> jam: correct
[08:11] <jam> and even if you pointed it at .../content it wouldn't use .../tmp for its temp dir
[08:12] <axw> yes
[08:12] <axw> localstorage doesn't do any of this tempdir stuff at the moment
[08:12] <axw> it probably should, if we're being paranoid
[08:16] <axw> sorry jam, maybe I confused things. there are three storage implementations things to consider
[08:16] <axw> sshstorage, filestorage, localstorage
[08:17] <axw> filestorage was only updated on william's request, and doesn't interact with sshstorage at all
[08:17] <axw> localstorage is the one that takes over. localstorage does not currently have the write-to-tmp-then-mv behaviour
[08:18] <axw> and since localstorage  is existing, and used by the local provider, I was hesitant to change its layout
[08:22] <jam> axw: so right now localstorage just writes directly to the final location, and interrupted transfers will see partial data?
[08:23] <axw> jam: yup
[08:23] <jam> axw: I think we want to fix that regardless the rest.
[08:24] <jam> even if it is $TMP or whatever
[08:24] <axw> fair enough
[08:25] <axw> jam: I was thinking of modifying localstorage to become something more generic, exposing another storage via HTTP. I might as well bite the bullet and do that now.
[08:47] <thumper> fwereade: ping
[08:47] <fwereade> thumper, pong
[08:47] <thumper> hangout?
[08:48] <fwereade> thumper, sure, a quick one, just a mo
[08:48]  * thumper waits
[08:49]  * fwereade has found his headphones and is starting one
[08:50] <fwereade> thumper, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b68108f32c53bcd9634bd39560203820f2029809?hl=en
[08:56] <jam> dimitern, fwereade: I will not make it to the standup today, I have to go sign my son up for after school activities
[09:01] <jam> wallyworld_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~go-bot/juju-core/trunk/view/head:/environs/storage.go#L62 (line 62)
[09:02] <jam> shouldn't that be "if err == nil" then set dataURL = fullURL ?
[09:02] <jam> (I think we're missing some tests about the return value of Fetch())
[09:02] <wallyworld_> seems so :-(
[09:03] <jam> wallyworld_: well, you have "datasourceSuite.Fetch()" which is asserting it gets the relative path back
[09:03] <jam> but I think that assertion is actually incorrect.
[09:03] <wallyworld_> could be, i'll look into it
[09:03] <jam> wallyworld_: k, I was trying to do some assertions that we are properly connecting to an HTTPS location, etc.
[09:04] <jam> but ran into that.
[09:04] <wallyworld_> sorry :-( will fix
[09:04] <jam> np
[10:46] <dimitern> wallyworld_, rogpeppe , mgz , fwereade, natefinch : standup
[10:46] <mgz> ta
[11:25]  * TheMue => lunch
[12:24] <jam> mgz: poke
[12:59] <yolanda> hi, i'm having a problem with juju config vars. Doing a config-get for one of the vars throw: subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['config-get', 'admin_pubkey', '--format=json']' returned non-zero exit status 2
[12:59] <yolanda> i tested with juju get nameofservice, and this var has a value
[12:59] <yolanda> any idea on what can be failing?
[13:23] <mgz> yolanda: did you look at what the stderr output was?
[13:23] <yolanda> mgz, i only saw that exit status 2
[13:25] <mgz> right, but you're the one deploying the charm
[13:25] <mgz> so, make the charm give you useful output instead of just the exit code
[13:30] <rogpeppe> axw: trivial change to environs/sshstorage: https://codereview.appspot.com/13321046
[13:30] <natefinch> is there a way to get gocheck to be less spammy?  It prints out like 100 lines per failure, when really all I want is the line of the test that failed
[13:31] <mgz> sed
[13:31] <mgz> only slightly joking...
[13:31] <natefinch> mgz: that was going to be my next move :/
[13:33] <rogpeppe> natefinch: gocheck can't know how much to print, because it doesn't know about tests within tests
[13:33] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i agree it's a problem
[13:33] <natefinch> rogpeppe: it appears to be printing logging, though... is that our fault for how we're using it?
[13:34] <rogpeppe> natefinch: we deliberately print logging, because otherwise there's no easy way to see what's happening underneath when a test fails
[13:34] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it's easy enough to get rid of the log lines though
[13:35] <natefinch> rogpeppe: most of the time I know why something is failing, or can tell when I get there. I'd much rather have logging be an optional flag than on all the time... it obscures the actual failureas
[13:36] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it's an interesting possibliity - you could add a flag that LoggingSuite inspects to determine whether to print log messages, perhaps
[13:37] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i'm not sure whether the default should be on or off though - when i get a random unexpected (and perhaps only occasionally reproducible) error in the tests, i actually want to see as much info as possible
[13:37] <rogpeppe> natefinch: for example when something fails in the bot
[13:37] <rogpeppe> natefinch: actually, on balance, i think an environment variable would probably work better
[13:37] <natefinch> rogpeppe: the bot could always run with --verbose since in theory it shouldn't see failures
[13:38] <natefinch> rogpeppe: as long as I have a toggle, I don't care where it is :)
[13:38] <rogpeppe> natefinch: because then it would be just ignored for any package that doesn't happen to use LoggingSuite
[13:38] <natefinch> rogpeppe: fair enough
[13:39] <rogpeppe> natefinch: quick review of the above CL? https://codereview.appspot.com/13321046
[13:39] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it just fixes the build for me
[13:40] <natefinch> reviewed
[13:40] <natefinch> rogpeppe: where is the logging currently turned on? I can at least go poke at it locally to make my life easier right now
[13:40] <rogpeppe> natefinch: see testing.LoggingSuite
[13:47] <natefinch> rogpeppe: thanks.. that is so much better.  What do you think about me submitting a CL for an environment variable that turns off logging? (default would be same behavior as now)
[13:48] <rogpeppe> natefinch: seems like an good idea
[13:48] <rogpeppe> natefinch: perhaps a way to set the logging level actually
[13:48] <rogpeppe> natefinch: in fact, doesn't loggo accept some kind of config syntax
[13:48] <rogpeppe> ?
[13:49] <natefinch> rogpeppe: yeah, there's a SetLogLevel... we could just have that settable via the env variable. Right now it defaults to DEBUG.
[13:50] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i was actually thinking of ConfigureLoggers
[13:55] <natefinch> rogpeppe: ahh yeah... setting that seems like a lot of work.  I've used similar per-package log levels in other projects... and never have I ever done anything but set the global log level :)
[13:55] <rogpeppe> natefinch: well, yeah
[13:56] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it will potentially be useful in a real juju environment - to enable low level logging in some problematic packages only
[13:56] <rogpeppe> natefinch: because some low level logging can be extremely verbose
[13:57] <rogpeppe> natefinch: so a single global log level too big a hammer sometimes
[13:57] <rogpeppe> natefinch: but for tests, i think i agree
[13:57] <natefinch> We can always add another env variable later if people need a smaller hammer for their tests
[14:01] <axw> rogpeppe: thanks for fixing that
[14:02] <rogpeppe> axw: i guess not many people don't use bash :-)
[14:02] <axw> what'cha running? rc? :)
[14:02] <rogpeppe> axw: yeah
[14:03] <rogpeppe> axw: it's the shell i've used since... jeeze, maybe 1991?
[14:03] <axw> can't say I've ever used anything apart from bash, really
[14:03] <axw> zsh briefly
[14:03] <rogpeppe> axw: rc has some definite advantages for scripting in particular
[14:04] <axw> csh when I had to at my old job
[14:04] <axw> *shudder*
[14:04] <rogpeppe> axw: the semantics are much much cleaner
[14:04]  * axw has a look at some docs
[14:04] <rogpeppe> axw: good intro: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/rc.html
[14:05] <axw> ta
[14:05] <rogpeppe> axw: in particular see section 28 for a good overview of why it works the way it does
[14:07] <rogpeppe> i'd appreciate a review of this if possible: https://codereview.appspot.com/13535045
[14:12] <axw> rogpeppe: what will ConfigStorage be used by?
[14:12] <rogpeppe> axw: the command line commands
[14:13] <rogpeppe> axw: the environments.yaml stuff is due to change to allow extra information to be associated with an environment
[14:13] <rogpeppe> axw: created when an environment is bootstrapped
[14:14] <rogpeppe> axw: and also to cache current endpoint info so that we don't need to talk to the provider to try to find out the API address for an environment
[14:15] <rogpeppe> axw: here's my idea for the eventual form of the ConfigStorage interface: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6115093/
[14:16] <rogpeppe> axw: it'll probably change as it encounters reality
[14:17] <axw> thanks rogpeppe, reading now
[14:17] <rogpeppe> axw: thanks
[14:25] <yolanda> mgz, i was able to debug error message, it shows: panic: version: cannot read forced version: open FORCE-VERSION: permission denied
[14:26] <yolanda> maybe i'm conflicting with some other var? i'm using admin_fullname, maybe is that reserved?
[14:27] <yolanda> full log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6115131/
[14:37] <mgz> yolanda: thanks, that's useful
[14:37] <yolanda> mgz, what can be causing that? seems a bit unrelated with a simple config-get
[14:37] <yolanda> other vars are working ok, so i'm thinking that the name may be conflicting, but not sure
[14:38] <mgz> indeed. seems to be an args parsing thing somehow.
[14:38] <mgz> the logic in version/version.go is:
[14:39] <mgz> get the dir of args[0] as the location of tools, open the FORCE-VERSION file there
[14:40] <mgz> but if other config-get invocations work something funky is going on
[14:42] <mgz> but I don't much like that logic regardless
[14:43] <yolanda> mgz, should i file a bug?
[14:44] <mgz> yolanda: yes, and it probably needs more context on what exactly that charm hook is doing
[14:44] <yolanda> just trying to change the name of config vars and redeploy now
[14:44] <yolanda> changing admin_xxx for another prefix
[14:44] <mgz> it seems more likely that the hook is accidentally changing pwd or something to break stuff
[14:46] <yolanda> mgz, the hook just happens after a db joined, and tries to render some content with these vars, it's first config-get called in the hook
[14:48] <rogpeppe> lunch
[14:57] <yolanda> mgz, indeed, i changed the var for something different like "defaultname" but still the same problem
[14:58] <yolanda> i can't imagine what's causing config-get to fail there
[15:05] <mgz> yolanda: not sure what to suggest as next debugging step. have you filed that bug yet?
[15:06] <yolanda> mgz, no, because i don't know what's the cause
[15:07] <mgz> some bugs are just symptoms :)
[15:08] <yolanda> mgz, trying to filter a bit, now i'm deploying without external config file
[15:08] <yolanda> just using defaults
[15:14] <yolanda> same problem, i'll file the bug
[15:19] <yolanda> mgz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1226088
[15:19] <_mup_> Bug #1226088: config-get fails with "open FORCE-VERSION: permission denied" <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226088>
[15:20] <mgz> yolanda: thanks. what's the charm? the hook code seems more relevent than the config.
[15:20] <yolanda> mgz, it's gerrit charm, it's not still public
[15:21] <yolanda> can i send it to somewhere private?
[15:22] <mgz> is it actually pviate, or just not ready? can either push to ~yolanda.robla namespace or I guess just one of the canonical datacenter machines if it's really not to be revealed
[15:23] <yolanda> mgz, we are currently pushing to canonical-ci private team
[15:23] <yolanda> we are keeping that private at the moment
[15:24] <arosales> rogpeppe, fwereade outlooks on cutting a 1.14 release today?
[15:24] <arosales> I see rogpeppe has  a branch out for  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1220027
[15:24] <_mup_> Bug #1220027: worker/provisioner: cannot restart cleanly due to hard dependency on api server <papercut> <juju-core:In Progress by rogpeppe> <juju-core 1.14:In Progress by rogpeppe> <juju-core trunk:In Progress by rogpeppe> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220027>
[15:24] <arosales> which is the last bug for the milestone  https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+milestone/1.14.0
[15:24] <rogpeppe> arosales: i think that's all merged
[15:25] <arosales> rogpeppe, bug is still in progress, could you update the bug status?
[15:25] <yolanda> mgz, checking with the team about that
[15:25] <rogpeppe> arosales: and *should* be fixed, though i wasn't able to reproduce the original issue, so i'm not absolutely sure
[15:25] <arosales> fwereade, robbiew well at this point we need to push 1.14 out
[15:25] <arosales> if we need to do a 1.14.1 we can address that there if any bits are missing
[15:26] <robbiew> huh...oh... rogpeppe^
[15:26] <robbiew> ;)
[15:26] <arosales> robbiew, sorry
[15:26] <arosales> auto complete
[15:26] <robbiew> np
[15:27] <rogpeppe> arosales: i didn't mark the bug as fixed, because although i sincerely believe that it is, i need someone who can verify that
[15:29] <mgz> yolanda: see /query
[15:30] <arosales> hmm davecheney reported the bug initially
[15:30] <arosales> rogpeppe, did you say the branch is in 1.14?
[15:30] <rogpeppe> arosales: yes
[15:32] <arosales> rogpeppe, so if we cut a 1.14 release today it would have 1220027 fix in it, just untested
[15:32] <rogpeppe> arosales: yes.
[15:32] <rogpeppe> arosales: so... worth marking as "fix released", i guess?
[15:33] <arosales> rogpeppe, I think so if the branch is in 1.14, trunk, and 1.15
[15:33] <rogpeppe> arosales: ok,marked as "fix committed"
[15:51] <arosales> rogpeppe, thanks. if we need to return to is we can issue a 1.14. 1 or in subsequent 1.15 releases
[15:54] <natefinch> rogpeppe: btw, it looks like some of the tests rely on logging being enabled during testing
[15:54] <rogpeppe> natefinch: ah, damn, yes, they do
[15:54] <natefinch> rogpeppe: that seems like a weakness in the tests, honestly.
[15:54] <rogpeppe> natefinch: they should probably explicitly enable it, or use a different log channel or something
[15:55] <natefinch> rogpeppe: yep
[16:45] <rogpeppe> anyone up for a review? nothing earth shaking, just part on-going config cleanup.: https://codereview.appspot.com/13421050
[16:48] <mgz> looking
[16:48] <arosales> sinzui, it looks like the bugs needed for the 1.14 are in fix committed https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+milestone/1.14.0
[16:49] <arosales> sinzui, thus I would like to start working with you to for the 1.14 and the associated QA.
[16:49] <arosales> sinzui, we can sync with davecheney when he comes on-line later in the day.
[16:49] <arosales> sinzui, but wanted to give you a heads up that we'll need to cut a release today.
[16:51] <mgz> rogpeppe: all makes sense to me
[16:51] <rogpeppe> mgz: thanks
[16:52] <sinzui> thank you arosales
[17:40]  * rogpeppe reaches eod
[17:40] <rogpeppe> g'night all
[17:42] <natefinch> rogpeppe: g'night
[20:24] <sinzui> I cannot build juju core 1.14. I can build and run trunk. Make build for 1.14 exists with an error
[20:24] <sinzui> # launchpad.net/juju-core/provider/azure
[20:24] <sinzui> provider/azure/storage.go:96: multiple-value context.GetAnonymousFileURL() in single-value context
[20:36] <natefinch> sinzui: looking....
[20:46] <natefinch> sinzui: I think it's a difference in the supported version of gwacl
[20:46] <sinzui> ah
[20:48] <natefinch> sinzui: yeah, just update gwacl and that should fix it.  Sorta surprised it built in one place and not the other
[20:50] <sinzui> natefinch, This is a case of me downgrading. I just pulled the 1.14 branch and switched to it.
[20:52] <sinzui> I don't think the build-release-tarball.bash script will be happy with non-trunk and it always pulls gwacl tip
[20:53] <thumper> mramm: ping
[20:53] <natefinch> sinzui: what's weird is that we cut 1.14 after the change to gwacl
[20:54] <sinzui> oh?
[20:54] <natefinch> sinzui: at least, according to the timestamps on each.  the gwacl change was on 9/11 and 1.14 was cut on 9/13
[20:55] <sinzui> natefinch, trunk clearly has a change to make it compatible: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6116619/
[20:55] <natefinch> sinzui: actually... nevermind, that's the latest change on 1.14, not when it was cut
[20:55] <sinzui> It is getting selected merged
[20:55] <sinzui> merged
[20:55] <sinzui> merges
[20:57] <natefinch> sinzui: yeah, that definitely needs to be on 1.14.  This is actually sort of a problem with Go in general...
[20:58] <natefinch> sinzui: I'll ping the juju list and it'll get fixed ASAP... it's EOD for me, or I'd look more into it
[20:58] <sinzui> I think the immediate solution is to update the release script to acknowledge and use dependencies.tsv. Pulling tip for each is zany
[20:59] <natefinch> sinzui: yeah, that sounds like the right thing to do
[21:01] <thumper> fwereade_: ping
[21:02]  * thumper recalls fwereade_'s move and packing
[21:10] <thumper> ah crap
[21:11]  * thumper makes a mental not to check the logrotate code
[21:47] <mramm> thumper: pong
[21:48] <thumper> mramm: hey, see email about timing clashes :)
[21:48] <mramm> ok
[21:51] <mramm> I am also free later tonight, and might have to go out and help my friend get migraine medication
[21:51] <mramm> so perhaps it will all work out for the best ;)
[21:52] <thumper> mramm: so lets just try to touch base later?
[21:52] <mramm> sure
[21:52] <thumper> ok
[22:05]  * thumper taking last daughter to the doctor
[22:26] <hazmat> jam, fwiw filed bug 1226307  re tool upload
[22:26] <_mup_> Bug #1226307: juju-core lazily get tools if from public bucket <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226307>
[23:08] <thumper> mramm: I'm around now for a bit if you are free
[23:08] <mramm> I am
[23:08] <thumper> otherwise it'll be after lunch
[23:08] <thumper> got time now?
[23:10] <thumper> mramm: I'm in the one on one hangout
[23:39] <davecheney> bigjools: hey
[23:39] <davecheney> can you fix permissions in gwacl
[23:39] <bigjools> davecheney: helleau
[23:39] <davecheney> https://launchpad.net/~gwacl-hackers
[23:39] <davecheney> ^ can you add juju-hackers to that
[23:39] <davecheney> or trasfer ownership
[23:39] <davecheney> please
[23:40] <bigjools> who wants to own it?
[23:40] <davecheney> juju-hackers
[23:40] <davecheney> make the owner mark ramm
[23:40] <davecheney> he loves code
[23:41] <bigjools> I generally dislike teams being members of other teams
[23:41] <bigjools> because it makes email management harder
[23:41] <davecheney> bigjools: please, this is a matter of urgency
[23:41] <bigjools> I'll add you and make you admin
[23:41] <davecheney> ta
[23:42] <bigjools> done
[23:42] <bigjools> but consider the team mess -it's the reason I quit juju hackers
[23:42] <bigjools> email from other teams that it's also part of.... PITA