[12:01] <kensai> anyone having prioblem In hoary the latest hoary update via apt?
[12:01] <pixelmonkey_> that was silly
[12:01] <kensai> I'm getting: No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: heheh - the main thing I notice is the author's inability to spell "grammar"
[12:01] <ogra> kensai: topic
[12:01] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, yea?
[12:02] <kensai> ogra, thanks
[12:02] <ogra> :)
[12:02] <kensai> ogra, I never read topics damn I need to read it everyday now
[12:02] <ogra> kensai: true for hoary and this room :)
[12:02] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, oh, that's just continuation of the word "programmer" ;-)
[12:03] <will_> anyone know why my lp driver is loaded, but no devices are found?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey. haha - yeah I just saw that, sorry :)
[12:03] <pixelmonkey_> hey random other ubuntu question... my environment has its $LANGUAGE set as en_gb (this must have been a default?)  How do I change it
[12:04] <kensai> ogra, but untill they release a new sed then I can't apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:04] <ogra> kensai: wait some hours....
[12:04] <ogra> kensai: and watch the topic ;)
[12:05] <kensai> ogra, OK, no probklem, this will be fixed with a new sed in apt repositories?
[12:05] <will_> kensai: i fexed the sed problem
[12:05] <will_> fixed even
[12:05] <kensai> will_, ?
[12:05] <ogra> kensai: yep
[12:05] <will_> kensai:ya
[12:06] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey, that's not a bug, that's a feature ;-)
[12:06] <kensai> ogra, thanks I'll see topics from now on ;)
[12:06] <ogra> hehe
[12:06] <ogra> kensai: the mailing list is also a good pool of information....
[12:06] <kensai> ogra, thanks
[12:07] <will_> anyone know about parports?
[12:07] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, Your british I take it ;-)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey, no Austarlian, actually - but I use en_GB
[12:08] <ogra> pixelmonkey_: not exactly.... he is a bit more south,.....
[12:08] <thoreauputic> ogra: and I'm definitely not British :)
[12:08] <ogra> hehe
[12:08] <will_> australian!
[12:09] <thoreauputic> typo
[12:09] <pixelmonkey_> so does anyone know how I can change the LANGUAGE? ;-)
[12:09] <q2> How can I enable it to not start X automatically at boo?
[12:09] <q2> boot?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:09] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, yep, did that, but it didn't change my environmental variable
[12:10] <thoreauputic> :(
[12:10] <q2> How do I make it so X wont start automatically?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey_: maybe you can change it in /etc/profile
[12:12] <choulth> meet q2
[12:12] <Zugwrack> ogra: Question I have been unable to resolve...I upgraded my kernel to smp...now I get an error about LVM? Where would I look (in /etc?) to edit the script that is calling for this to start at boot?
[12:13] <pixelmonkey_> oh I found it... /etc/environment
[12:13] <faux> quit
[12:13] <ogra> Zugwrack: /etc/rccS.d/S26lvm
[12:13] <ogra> -c
[12:14] <ogra> Zugwrack: remove the link.... /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm
[12:14] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey_: aha - quite right - I'll have to remember that
[12:14] <Zugwrack> ogra: K thanks
[12:15] <ogra> Zugwrack: as long as you dont use lvm indeed :)
[12:17] <Zugwrack> ogra: That would indeed be the case...
[12:17] <ogra> ;)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> something needs to be done about these peers - thay keep resetting connections!
[12:20] <ogra> thoreauputic lol
[12:20] <ogra> thoreauputic want to put them on a chain in the channel ?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:24] <Telep> right, I'm back to being Warty
[12:24] <wfx> are the any tools ti build/configure gdm themes (positions of images etc)?
[12:24] <Telep> Warthogs are more cool anyway
[12:25] <Kujila> Hello there, nice distro you got here, love Gnome 2.8, but can someone give me a bit o' technical help? :)
[12:26] <Telep> funny thing though, after installing from the shipped cd, Gnome wouldn't boot up because the permissions in my home directory were screwed up (ie. root)
[12:26] <wfx> ogra, its time... grch grch :)
[12:26] <Telep> this has not happened before
[12:26] <choulth> bring it on Kujila
[12:26] <ogra> wfx: :)
[12:26] <wfx> by all
[12:26] <ogra> wfx: bye
[12:26] <Kujila> Ok...well... the default Gnome 2.8 install came with no Desktop icons, and simply put, I just want to put thee on :)
[12:27] <wfx> ogra, take a look on the "net" output of the bot ;)
[12:27] <scopecrp> anyone else having a problem with updating (hoary sources) sed tonight?
[12:27] <choulth> Kujila, right click and insert some  or drag and drop
[12:27] <thoreauputic> scopecrp: yes - see the channel topic
[12:27] <aitrus> scopecrp: read the topic
[12:27] <ogra> wfx: WOW
[12:27] <Kujila> Well, I mean, the default "Trashbin" , "Computer" , etc
[12:28] <choulth> Kujila, trashbin is on the lower right
[12:28] <wfx> ogra, yes wow
[12:28] <icecrash> moin
[12:28] <scopecrp> aha, thanks
[12:28] <Kujila> Well then, I've customized GNOME to my liking, and removed that toolbar.  I can probably get it back, but is there a way to slap it onto the Desktop instead? :)
[12:28] <icecrash> anyone that has the same problems with pbuilder?
[12:29] <ogra> Kujila: you can do this in the configuration editor (in the applications menu -> system tools)
[12:29] <choulth> Kujila, mpf... :)
[12:29] <icecrash> Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[12:29] <icecrash> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 123: /dev/null: Permission denied
[12:29] <wfx> ogra, but this is also bad i cant run it for a full month :/
[12:29] <scopecrp> anyone know if you can configure bitchx to display the topic for the active channel?
[12:29] <wfx> anyway good night (for all near my timezone ;-)
[12:29] <thoreauputic> scopecrp: just type /topic
[12:29] <icecrash> wfx: good night ;)
[12:29] <icecrash> +0200
[12:30] <stuNNed_> hi ubuntu's
[12:30] <ogra> wfx: 2MB ....
[12:30] <Kujila> Ok thanks all, I'll poke around in this configuration editor and see if I can get my icons back! :)
[12:30] <thoreauputic> scopecrp: or get a real client ( joke)
[12:31] <scopecrp> haha
[12:31] <ogra> Kujila: look in apps->nautilus->desktop
[12:31] <scopecrp> i know, i keep meaning to switch to win32/mirc
[12:31] <Kujila> Oh thanks ogra, awesome! :)
[12:31] <scopecrp> maybe some day ill figure windows out and make the switch
[12:31] <ogra> Kujila: :)
[12:31] <Kujila> I think I'll stick with Ubuntu and dump MDK 10
[12:32] <Kujila> Good shhtuffs
[12:32] <Kujila> Gnome 2.8 is too durn sexy ;)
[12:32] <scopecrp> i ditched my gentoo installations (and by extension the 3 weeks of setting it up right) for ubuntu
[12:32] <scopecrp> never looking back either
[12:33] <Kujila> lol
[12:33] <Kujila> I'm so sick of KDE, too...
[12:34] <thoreauputic> ubuntulog: "used by 90% of recovering Gentoo users "
[12:34] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:34] <Telep> hehe, I'm a recovering Gentoo user, too :)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> that wa a tab complete weirdness
[12:35] <Kujila> Is Gentoo Debian based, too?  Never tried it before
[12:35] <Ycros> I made the switch last night frem gentoo.
[12:35] <Telep> Kujila: no, it's Gentoo-based :)
[12:35] <Kujila> lol
[12:35] <Kujila> ok
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Gentoo is crack-based </joke>
[12:36] <Zugwrack> I just used synaptic to install some packages...doesn't it automatically update the menu in Gnome?
[12:36] <Managu> Came from Debian here.  So far, it feels about the same, except some of the rougher corners seem smoother
[12:36] <Ycros> it has it's advantages and disadvantages
[12:36] <Ycros> Zugwrack, it does
[12:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> Zugwrack: always has for me
[12:36] <Telep> Kujila: the gentoo philosophy is that everything is installed from source and hence optimized for your system. Installing is very easy (like in debian), but very time-consuming.
[12:36] <Zugwrack> Hmmm...ok I installed XCdroast..don't see it
[12:36] <Kujila> Oh I see
[12:36] <ogra> Kujila: in gentoo you compile everything......its the distri for lonesome people that like to stare at compiler output for nights
[12:36] <Mestapheles> hi
[12:36] <Kujila> lol
[12:36] <Telep> and the benefits are questionable... depends on what you're doing I guess
[12:36] <Managu> zugwrack: some packages do, some don't
[12:37] <Kujila> I cross my fingers whenever I compile something and hope I have all the dependencies
[12:37] <Ycros> ogra, you don't have to, there are binary packages
[12:37] <ogra> Kujila: apt will care for you ;)
[12:37] <Kujila> lol
[12:37] <Zugwrack> Managu: so is there a script I can use to update the menus? How is this normall done in Gnome
[12:37] <ogra> Ycros: there are ?
[12:37] <Mestapheles> I'm trying to create a bootablecopy of the ppc iso.  I'm in XCDroast.  Do I make it sun bootable? or do I use the Torito for ppc arch?  Torito needs some file and that's where I just don't know.
[12:37] <Kujila> Ubuntu's apt-database seems small right now, though... Is there any way to plop some debian ones on ther so I can get my goodies like MPlayer?
[12:38] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic Kujila
[12:38] <bonobo> Kujila: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:38] <Managu> Zugwrack: Sorry, I don't know =(
[12:38] <ogra> bonobo: mplayer Kujila
[12:38] <bonobo> Kujila: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:38] <Ycros> ogra, it was never meant to be a source based distribution in the first place
[12:38] <Telep> Kujila: well dependencies are not a problem in Gentoo, the portage package management system takes care of that, but over-optimization can be a problem sometimes
[12:38] <ogra> Kujila: see the urls of the bonobo bot
[12:38] <Ycros> ogra, it just went that way because nobody had really made large progress in that area
[12:38] <Kujila> ok
[12:39] <Zugwrack> Mestapheles: Just copy your existing cd...
[12:39] <Kujila> Thanks much :)  Ubuntu is sweet
[12:39] <Mestapheles> but then it will not be bootable on the mac.  I'll need to go into openfirmware and direct it to boot loader
[12:40] <ogra> Kujila: if something doesnt work, come to ask here
[12:40] <Kujila> I shall :D  This is great stuff heh
[12:40] <Ycros> Mestapheles, uhh, you should just be able to copy it
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Mestapheles: if your original CD was bootable, a clone will be too
[12:40] <Kujila> I must go now, though.
[12:40] <Kujila> Maybe I'll be back ;)
[12:41] <Kujila> Cya
[12:41] <Kujila> Thanks again!
[12:41] <Mestapheles> k guys I'll try
[12:41] <Mestapheles> even copy with finder?
[12:41] <ogra> Ycros: sad....now its renown for the source stuff.....
[12:42] <Ycros> ogra, they are working on fixing that
[12:42] <Mestapheles> I'll do via term, I don't trust finder.  It doesn't copy invisible folders
[12:42] <Ycros> the binary side of portage isn't quite as good
[12:42] <Ycros> so they're working on improving it
[12:42] <ogra> Ycros: how ? did they hire a PR team ?
[12:42] <Ycros> implementation-wise
[12:42] <JStrike> Is there a HowTo for creating Ubuntu packages
[12:42] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[12:42] <Mestapheles> or ditto just to be on the safe side
[12:42] <Ycros> because everyone's been developing the source stuff.
[12:43] <ogra> Ycros: its hard to get a wrong reputation right in the end
[12:43] <Ycros> not really, they just need to develop the binary package handling more, create repositories, and make an announcement
[12:44] <Telep> Ycros: well there are hardly any mirrors for downloading binary stuff, for a start.
[12:44] <Ycros> Telep, my point exactly
[12:44] <Telep> yup
[12:44] <ogra> JStrike: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[12:45] <guptan> Hi, how can I install Firefox 1.0(using installer) so that it completely replaces firefox provided by Ubuntu?
[12:45] <ogra> JStrike: there are shorter ones on www.debianplanet.org
[12:46] <JStrike> ogra : Isn't there a difference in creating debs for ubuntu and debian?
[12:47] <guptan> Hi, how can I install Firefox 1.0 (using installer provided in firefox site) so that it completely replaces firefox provided by Ubuntu?
[12:47] <ogra> JStrike: in the packaging they are the same....the dependencys are ubuntu on ubuntu....and debian on debian
[12:49] <Gwildor> jstrike, the packaging process is the same, a debian.deb is a debian.deb, and a ubuntu.deb is a ubuntu.deb
[12:49] <Gwildor> one day ill beat ogra
[12:49] <ogra> Gwildor: go for it :)
[12:50] <Gwildor> ogra, i try, you are just to quick
[12:50] <guptan> ogra, Gwildor you guys are great :)
[12:51] <ogra> Gwildor: just started learning python, i will be more inattentive in the next time :)
[12:51] <Gwildor> hmmm...
[12:52] <guptan> anybody to help me here?
[12:52] <ogra> guptan: the firefox installer will likely use different directorys.....
[12:53] <guptan> yeah i know, and every time I accidently click old firefox themes and extension become useless
[12:53] <guptan> sometime even live bookmarks, now its a big mess :|
[12:53] <ogra> guptan: just uninstall the ubuntu package
[12:54] <sean__> is there a way to install flash for firefox?
[12:54] <guptan> oh that seems to be a good idea
[12:54] <sean__> I cant find nothing about how to do it
[12:54] <ogra> bonobo: flash sean__
[12:54] <bonobo> sean__: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:54] <guptan> sean_ usually ff detects need for plugin and installs automatically
[12:55] <ogra> guptan: there is also a package to manage that :)
[12:55] <guptan> oh really
[12:56] <guptan> ogra, when I asked to remove firefox, it removes a package named ubuntu-desktop too.
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> that's correct
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu desktop depends on all the packages that are in the 'ubuntu desktop'
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> there's nothing actually in it
[12:57] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, so can I remove that one?
[12:58] <ogra> guptan: you will need it for a upgrade to a new stable ubuntu version, keep in mind installing it again then.....
[12:58] <guptan> oh
[12:58] <ogra> guptan: but else its useless and can get removed
[12:59] <domestiko> one thing you can do is building your own package and then checkinstall
[12:59] <domestiko> but is safer doing what ogra says
[01:01] <aaroncuk> how easy is it to upgrade ubuntu, can it be done remotely without mess all my apps/settings up?
[01:01] <kim__> hi scoon
[01:01] <ogra> aaroncuk: to hoary ?
[01:02] <aaroncuk> yeah
[01:02] <ogra> aaroncuk: the upgrade is easy....but do you really want it ? its in flux .... i.e. see the channel topic
[01:03] <EfaistOs> hi
[01:04] <aaroncuk> i dont want it yet, but may do in the future its just im putting a server in somewhere over 200 miles away lol.. dont wanna have to go and sort it if it goes wrong lol
[01:04] <EfaistOs> i have a little problem with GTK2 windows ... it's quite slow to open new windows  when i double click in nautilus or things like this
[01:04] <EfaistOs> do u have the same problem ?
[01:04] <FTTP> im downloading hoary snapshot iso
[01:04] <FTTP> should be good right? :)
[01:05] <domestiko> EfaistOs, have you upgraded to hoary?
[01:05] <cardador> EfaistOs: sudo apt-get install gamin
[01:05] <EfaistOs> domestiko, yes
[01:05] <JStrike> EfaistOs : Nope. Sorry :-(
[01:05] <guptan> just out of curiosity: how good is changing all warty to hoary in apt?
[01:05] <EfaistOs> gamin ?
[01:06] <FTTP> guptan:  Dunno...... im downloading the hoary iso
[01:06] <cardador> EfaistOs: yes, it replacees fam
[01:06] <FTTP> then ill update it thru there
[01:06] <domestiko> EfaistOs, the problem is fam. Install gamin
[01:06] <ogra> FTTP: its a snapshot.....taken automatically i guess......
[01:07] <EfaistOs> cardador, and FAM is the problem ? i have to uninstall FAM or not ?
[01:07] <FTTP> ogra:  daily snapshot is good, then ill update it :)
[01:07] <mats> anyone knows how to change fonts on gtk1.x apps (like amule or xmule)?
[01:07] <kgill> hey ogra you must live in here ;)
[01:07] <ogra> FTTP: so it totally depands on the state of the shooted stuff.....
[01:07] <EfaistOs> apparently not ... quite quicker right now :) thnx
[01:07] <domestiko> I did unistall it, and everything's fine
[01:07] <ogra> kgill: hehe
[01:07] <FTTP> ogra:  Right, and when there are updates for the shooted stuff it will be on my machine :)
[01:08] <kgill> ubuntu needs more howtos on its website
[01:08] <ogra> FTTP: if the sys was broken while the shot was taken yours will be too
[01:08] <domestiko> bye
[01:08] <ogra> kgill: go on...its a wiki, everybody can contribute
[01:08] <FTTP> ogra:  then ill update
[01:08] <FTTP> as long as it installs and aptget is workin
[01:09] <FTTP> if it wont install, then ill wait and download the next dailysnapshot
[01:09] <kgill> trying to get gnome meeting setup and have no audio
[01:09] <kgill> and don't see anything in device manager for audio
[01:09] <ogra> kgill: sorry never used it.....
[01:09] <erik> hey, is sed borked for everyone else in hoary?
[01:10] <mats> anyone knows how to change fonts on gtk1.x apps (like amule or xmule)?
[01:10] <ogra> kgill: look in your mixer for the mic
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  they came out with a new update
[01:10] <erik> FTTP: oh, sweet
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  u having a problem with sid ?
[01:10] <ogra> erik: see topic
[01:10] <erik> I don't seem to have it yet :(
[01:10] <FTTP> the upgrade it right?
[01:10] <erik> oh, duh
[01:10] <erik> ok, sweet
[01:10] <erik> thanks ogra , sorry :p
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  u upgraded and sid wouldnt install right?
[01:10] <ogra> np
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  I reported the bug earlier
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  errr alot of people reported that bug
[01:11] <thoreauputic> FTTP: not sid
[01:11] <FTTP> i mean sed
[01:11] <thoreauputic> FTTP: yeah :)
[01:11] <FTTP> thoreauputic typo
[01:11] <thoreauputic> OK ;)
[01:11] <FTTP> thoreauputic im burning the snapshot now
[01:11] <FTTP> i figured ill do it this way
[01:11] <kgill> where would I look for that?
[01:12] <kgill> sound prefs isn't playing a sound
[01:12] <ogra> kgill: right click on the volume applet.....
[01:13] <Scognito> ogra,
[01:13] <Scognito> Extracting templates from packages: 100%
[01:13] <Scognito> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:13] <Scognito> let's see :)
[01:14] <kgill> still nothing
[01:14] <FTTP> should i do the update from the internet when i install?
[01:14] <ogra> hehe
[01:14] <FTTP> or should i skip it?
[01:14] <ogra> kgill: mic is unmuted ?
[01:14] <Scognito> FTTP, update, if you can
[01:14] <kgill> the sound adjust in the uper righ will not go up
[01:14] <kgill> next to the date
[01:14] <FTTP> scognito:  cause if u dont update, it wont update in synaptic without adding modifications
[01:14] <FTTP> i reported it as a bug they told me to add syntax in synaptic
[01:14] <ogra> kgill: so you dont have any sound ?
[01:15] <kgill> none at all
[01:15] <kgill> and not sure where to see if the right driver is set for the sound card
[01:15] <ogra> kgill: what soundcard do you have ?
[01:16] <kgill> this is a donated machine for my project and just got this machine on monday
[01:16] <kgill> I have not even taken a look at it
[01:16] <ogra> kgill: you can look in the device manager.....
[01:17] <kgill> no sound device is listed there
[01:17] <ogra> kgill: hmm, probably a ISA card..... what kind of system is it ?
[01:18] <kgill> the sound card is embeded on the motherboard
[01:18] <kgill> its a throw away dell "I hate dells"
[01:18] <ogra> heh
[01:18] <kgill> I am a mac and windows system admin for 12 years
[01:19] <kgill> and have used redhat of and on as a server since ver. 2
[01:19] <ogra> kgill: never had a dell but i see the laptops fall apart all around me
[01:19] <kgill> and now having to learn linux in full depth
[01:19] <thoreauputic> kgill: try lspci | grep audio
[01:26] <timello> hi there, which tool I can change my screen resolution?
[01:27] <Scognito> timello, computer -> system configuratio -> screen resolution
[01:28] <timello> Scognito, I'm using another window manager, could you tell me the name?
[01:28] <cardador> timello: gnome-display-properties
[01:28] <timello> thx
[01:31] <timello> cardador, I want to set 1152X864, but it not shows me this option, idea? I put this entry on XF86config-4, but didn't work
[01:31] <cardador> timello: did you restart X after changing it?
[01:32] <timello> yes I did
[01:32] <timello> I give telinit 1 and then telinit3
[01:32] <icecrash> n8
[01:33] <scopecrp> timello that is a supported resolution for the card and monitor?
[01:33] <timello> yes, in other distr it works fine
[01:33] <timello> 75HZ
[01:34] <mojo_> morning
[01:34] <mojo_> 'sed' up yet?
[01:34] <scopecrp> mojo_ not for me
[01:35] <timello> scopecrp, maybe HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[01:36] <ogra> mojo_: see topic
[01:36] <scopecrp> timello to be honest i am a total noob.  someone else can definately help you more
[01:36] <Scognito> ogra,
[01:36] <Scognito> error while upgrading
[01:37] <timello> scopecrp, np thx
[01:37] <Scognito> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:37] <Scognito>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[01:37] <Scognito> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:37] <Scognito> i install with dpkg -force overwrite
[01:37] <ogra> Scognito: kde ??
[01:37] <ogra> lol
[01:37] <scopecrp> timello i just know that windows supports res's that arent 'officially supported' in some cases
[01:37] <Scognito> mmm
[01:37] <Scognito> it is for k3b
[01:37] <Scognito> k3b rox
[01:37] <ogra> Scognito: ah well....
[01:39] <luc1f3r> Guys, I have a question? can you help me?
[01:39] <Scognito> for now i'm doing apt-get remove kcontrol and k3b
[01:40] <luc1f3r> I want to increase my screen's resolution
[01:40] <ogra> Scognito: hehe
[01:40] <luc1f3r> i knowhow to make the changes
[01:40] <luc1f3r> but I can't get above 1024x768 @60Hz
[01:41] <luc1f3r> and that's a lot less than I used to have on MSwindows
[01:41] <FTTP> the hoary developmental release installation failed and did some weird stuff
[01:42] <FTTP> oh well :)
[01:42] <Scognito> i'm just upgrading
[01:42] <ogra> FTTP....
[01:42] <Scognito> for the first time
[01:42] <scaroo> FTTP, it s a sed related issue, it is knowand being fixed
[01:42] <FTTP> scognito thats the way to do it
[01:42] <cardador> luc1f3r: find the horizontal sync and vertical refresh for your monitor
[01:42] <EfaistOs> where in gconf-editor  can i change the value of nautilus to avoid opening mutiple windows ?
[01:42] <FTTP> scaroo:  You mean the xserver failure and the weird screen stuff?
[01:42] <luc1f3r> cardador: what are those?
[01:43] <FTTP> scaroo im talking about loading the iso from developmental cd
[01:43] <cardador> luc1f3r: google for your monitor specifications
[01:43] <scaroo> FTTP, ow, sorry, i misunderstood :p
[01:43] <ogra> FTTP: he doesnt know you installed from the snapshot CD
[01:43] <FTTP> ogra oh
[01:43] <FTTP> ok
[01:43] <luc1f3r> like, type in my monitor make and model?
[01:43] <luc1f3r> and look for what?
[01:43] <FTTP> im gonna wait for hoary rc releases
[01:43] <FTTP> and then report bugs
[01:43] <cardador> luc1f3r: find the horizontal sync and vertical refresh for your monitor
[01:43] <FTTP> developmental releases too buggy
[01:44] <ogra> FTTP: they are fo rdevelopment :)
[01:44] <FTTP> i know
[01:44] <luc1f3r> okay, let me check
[01:44] <FTTP> ogra:  Beta releases are ok but not daily snapshots :P
[01:44] <FTTP> heh
[01:45] <thoreauputic> FTTP: I tried some firefox daily builds a while ago - they looked great for the 5 microseconds they were on my screen ;)
[01:45] <ogra> FTTP: hoary has one huge change to come....this could break a lot of stuff.....the extraction of the language packs from all software.....
[01:46] <scopecrp> i use firefox nightlies
[01:46] <Keybuk> ogra: there's still some debate about how to accomplish that
[01:46] <ogra> FTTP: this will be a gigantic effort......
[01:46] <scopecrp> i build my own actually
[01:47] <FTTP> ogra yep
[01:47] <FTTP> ogra:  I hear ya
[01:47] <luc1f3r> cardador: vertical freq: 48-160 Hz   Horizontal freq: 30-94 kHz
[01:47] <ogra> Keybuk: but its policy ... as i understood, so it will happen anyway.....or am i wrong ?
[01:47] <Keybuk> it's a "would very much like", yes
[01:47] <cardador> luc1f3r: do you have warty or hoary?
[01:48] <ogra> Keybuk: yep thats how i understoo it.....and it will be a great thing....once done :)
[01:48] <discord> anyone know if their is a package for slackware and what url i need to add to sources.lst to grab it?
[01:48] <ogra> +d
[01:48] <discord> i mean
[01:48] <discord> shockwave
[01:48] <discord> sorry
[01:48] <luc1f3r> cardador, warty
[01:49] <ogra> bonobo: flash discord
[01:49] <bonobo> discord: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:49] <ogra> discord: hear the bonobo bot :)
[01:49] <discord> bonobo isn;t that some sort of ape?
[01:50] <cardador> luc1f3r: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:50] <ogra> discord: maybe.... its our url bot :)
[01:50] <EfaistOs> where in gconf-editor  can i change the value of nautilus to avoid opening mutiple windows when you open a directory ?
[01:50] <bronson> I apt-get upgraded to Hoary today.
[01:50] <bronson> Oops.
[01:50] <luc1f3r> cardador: do that in terminal?
[01:50] <ogra> EfaistOs: do it in nautils own options
[01:50] <trans_err> I'm having troubles with my nvidia card and I'm not sure if its me or the hardware... The card works fine with the open source 'nv' driver or when the card is started with NvAGP="1" with the nvidia driver-- however if I switch to NvAGP="2" to push up performance-- It freezes the display after only 10 - 15 seconds.... Any ideas before I call newegg?
[01:50] <cardador> luc1f3r: then go to section "monitor" and it will be pretty obvious the changes you need to make
[01:50] <cardador> luc1f3r: yes
[01:51] <ogra> bronson: seen the topic ? :)
[01:51] <trans_err> Oh a bit of info... I have an nforce 1 mobo and a the new card is an FX5700
[01:51] <bronson> ogra: yup.
[01:51] <EfaistOs> ogra, ?
[01:51] <bronson> ogra: wish i'd seen that before I tried tho...
[01:52] <ogra> bronson: just wait a day.....wil be fixed soon
[01:52] <Scognito> "non solum, sed etiam" (latin)
[01:52] <Scognito> :)
[01:52] <cardador> trans_err: nvagp 1 is good
[01:52] <discord> bonobo: here's a banana
[01:52] <bronson> will do.
[01:52] <cardador> trans_err: did you read what nvagp 2 does?
[01:52] <ogra> EfaistOs: in nautilus ... edit->settings
[01:52] <trans_err> cardador, but I see horrible performance in ut2004
[01:52] <cardador> trans_err: did you install the nvidia driver?
[01:53] <ogra> EfaistOs: the "behavoir" ? tab .... soryy, german sys here
[01:53] <ogra> +r-y
[01:53] <cardador> trans_err: i have ut2004 and it runs very well
[01:54] <ogra> trans_err: did you take the ubuntu package for the driver ?
[01:54] <trans_err> cardador, yes the binary driver is installed- I've tried both the ubuntu and the NVIDIA package
[01:54] <ogra> trans_err: on warty or hoary ?
[01:54] <cardador> trans_err: and you did all the changes to xf86config-4, etc
[01:55] <ogra> cardador: the package brings a script to do that easily
[01:55] <FTTP> is it possible for ubuntu to use a gui installer based off the progeny one?
[01:55] <cardador> ogra: but if you mess with it, it is useless :)
[01:55] <ogra> yep
[01:55] <FTTP> for gui installers there is so much already out in opensource
[01:55] <trans_err> cardador, yes- I'm quite familiar with the nvidia drivers (i have an nforce board...)
[01:56] <FTTP> no need to reinvent the wheel
[01:56] <FTTP> just modify whats out already
[01:56] <FTTP> for ubuntu
[01:56] <ogra> FTTP: dont you think the installer works fine ?
[01:56] <FTTP> ogra not for someone new to linux, no
[01:56] <cardador> has anyone tried the auto hinting for the fonts? it really look a lot better
[01:57] <scopecrp> cardador i agree
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra we can just pop in a better installer, there are plenty to choose from
[01:57] <fissy> auto hinting?
[01:57] <ogra> FTTP: whats the task someone new to linux couldnt do with it ?
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra:  even the new debian text based one is better
[01:57] <scopecrp> cardador looks better than windows on my laptop
[01:57] <cardador> fissy: go to the ubuntu forum, howto section
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra:  Someone new will think their computer has problems
[01:57] <ogra> FTTP: they are the same....
[01:57] <Scognito> ogra
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra:  oh, ubuntu uses the newer debian installer?
[01:57] <trans_err> ogra, hoary
[01:57] <Scognito> update finished
[01:57] <Scognito> no errors reported
[01:58] <FTTP> ogra:  the SID installer?
[01:58] <scopecrp> i have never been so impressed with the polish of a distro as i am with ubuntu
[01:58] <Scognito> reloading X session
[01:58] <fissy> ogra, it just looks slightly scary compared to a pretty gui interface.... it reinforces preconceptions people might have about linux, especially the hard drive partitioning part
[01:58] <Scognito> hoping for the best
[01:58] <cardador> fissy: try to partition a drive at windows
[01:58] <FTTP> ogra what does the older debian installer look like? :)
[01:59] <Scognito> ops, other package to be upgraded...
[01:59] <Scognito> let's wait :)
[01:59] <ogra> text based
[01:59] <FTTP> ogra no i mean for the newer debian there is a newer installer
[01:59] <FTTP> is this the newer installer thats on ubuntu?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> FTTP: the new Debian installer is not a sid installer - it installs sarge
[01:59] <FTTP> thoreauputic yeah the sarge one i mean
[01:59] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  is ubuntu the same as sarge?
[02:00] <cardador> FTTP: its based on sid
[02:00] <ogra> FTTP: debian supports 11 arches.....there will always be a textbased one.....probably enhanced with gtk for i386 etc
[02:00] <fissy> cardador?
[02:00] <FTTP> cardador:  now im confused
[02:01] <FTTP> is it sid or sarge?
[02:01] <mjr> ubuntu is based on sid but similar to sarge in that sarge is also based on sid of similar age :)
[02:01] <FTTP> doh
[02:01] <mjr> and you thought you were confused
[02:01] <ogra> trans_err: so the package definately wont work for you
[02:01] <thoreauputic> FTTP: installer -> sarge       ubuntu -> based on sid
[02:02] <FTTP> ogra:  My point is this:  The installer needs work whether they use text or gui........ people will see those FATAL errors and get confused
[02:02] <cardador> fissy: anyone that can install windows, is more than qualified to install linux.
[02:02] <ogra> FTTP: in the installer ?
[02:02] <FTTP> like i did
[02:02] <scopecrp> is it possible to install from the livecd?
[02:02] <FTTP> ogra:  When it installs it gives those errors
[02:02] <FTTP> oh wait thats upon boot
[02:02] <FTTP> sorry
[02:02] <Scognito> ok everything installed
[02:02] <FTTP> the installer had the problem of not detecting the monitor right
[02:02] <Scognito> reloading X
[02:03] <ogra> FTTP: this will be fixed in hoary
[02:03] <FTTP> and was confusing based on the update internet apps
[02:03] <FTTP> and when u do that
[02:03] <ogra> scopecrp: use the installer
[02:03] <FTTP> some of the files had issues
[02:03] <ogra> CD
[02:03] <FTTP> ogra:  when hoary is closer to release ill try the betas :)
[02:04] <kgill> hey ogra |spci| grep audio does nothing
[02:04] <FTTP> ogra:  the hoary goals sound good
[02:04] <kgill> also tried it with sudo
[02:04] <FTTP> ogra:  Pretty much everything that needs to be done
[02:04] <ogra> FTTP: do that ! it wil be a great distro
[02:04] <ogra> kgill: no need for sudo there.....
[02:04] <thoreauputic> kgill: lspci  ( that's an "ell")
[02:04] <scopecrp> ogra do you mean there is an 'installer' on the livecd or that i should use the install cd
[02:04] <nate> I did an "apt-get install fluxbox".  how do I get it running as my desktop environment?
[02:04] <FTTP> ogra:  gui installer should not be a priority as long as the text installer works right
[02:05] <ogra> scopecrp: use the installer CD i meant
[02:05] <FTTP> ogra i would want a working text installer, then create the gui one
[02:05] <kgill> thoreaputic: "ell"?
[02:05] <ogra> FTTP: yep...thats my point
[02:05] <scopecrp> ogra because the install cd doesnt recognize any of my cd/dvd drives
[02:05] <kgill> is that  like a .dll?
[02:05] <scopecrp> (ive tried 5 different ones)
[02:05] <thoreauputic> kgill:  lspci  (not |spci| )
[02:05] <ogra> kgill: the letter L
[02:05] <FTTP> ogra hoary works well tho....... should be able to change monitor directly in gnome tho :)
[02:06] <FTTP> ogra its not like it detected the monitor where it was unreadable or anything, it got my refresh rates wrong and the like
[02:06] <ogra> scopecrp: 5 different ones ??
[02:06] <scopecrp> and unfortunately i cannot copy the iso to another drive because im using a non-linux raid card for my other 4 harddrives
[02:06] <FTTP> ogra also that part about choosing resolutions for the monitor is confusing for some
[02:06] <ogra> scopecrp: there is only one for each arch
[02:07] <kgill> ok got it
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra:   it should just have a choice of monitors instead
[02:07] <scopecrp> ogra aye, a tdk dvdr, 2 sony cdr's, a liteon cdr and a cheap creative cd drive
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra rather than asking which resolutions the monitor does up to
[02:07] <FTTP> most new distros do that now
[02:07] <ogra> FTTP: nope, it should just detect.....
[02:07] <kgill> but need to do a  comand with it?
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra i disagree
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra it should detect, but then ask you to confirm
[02:08] <scopecrp> i have more harddrives but my powersupply has no more power plugs on it
[02:08] <FTTP> ogra unless it can detect it 100%
[02:08] <ogra> FTTP: thats the goal !
[02:08] <FTTP> ogra:  but some monitors cant be detected
[02:09] <ogra> FTTP: so you need a default and a fallback....
[02:09] <thoreauputic> FTTP: you mean like the mandrake thing where you get to test it before continuing?
[02:09] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  I never tried mandrake
[02:09] <FTTP> a long time ago maybe
[02:09] <ogra> kgill: type it in a terminal.....it lists your pci devices
[02:10] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  the part where u have to select the resolutions the monitor can handle up to is just so outdated, many distros used to be like that
[02:10] <Telep> right, managed to fiddle firefox 1.0 onto my warty :)
[02:10] <ogra> scopecrp: have you already looked at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[02:10] <Telep> thanks to scoon
[02:10] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  the installer needs more work
[02:10] <FTTP> whether we stick to gui or text
[02:10] <thoreauputic> FTTP: so you've said ;-)
[02:11] <kgill> it comes up with a usage screen
[02:11] <scopecrp> ogra not thorougly no, i just havent made myself do it yet
[02:11] <ogra> kgill: show the command (cop n paste) you typed
[02:11] <Scognito> re
[02:11] <Scognito> ogre everything works FINE
[02:11] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  hoary will have more of the internals covered up right?
[02:11] <ogra> Scognito great !
[02:11] <FTTP> to make it less confusion for newbies
[02:11] <Scognito> :)
[02:12] <FTTP> i think that was part of the goals like to make it boot quicker into the splashscreens
[02:12] <Scognito> ogra, i have still xfree
[02:12] <thoreauputic> FTTP: I don't know - you'd need to ask one of the developers like jdub
[02:12] <Scognito> how can i change it?
[02:13] <ogra> Scognito: did you install ubuntu-desktop before the install ?
[02:13] <ogra> Scognito: if its not installed.... install it.....
[02:13] <FTTP> ogra actually i dont like the progeny installer
[02:13] <FTTP> errr and thoreauputic
[02:13] <FTTP> http://hackers.progeny.com/configlets/screenshots/screen06.png
[02:13] <Scognito> don't remember
[02:13] <FTTP> see that screen
[02:13] <kgill> no audio devices show up with - v
[02:13] <FTTP> thats what i dont like in text
[02:13] <FTTP> alot of people dont know what res there monitors can handle
[02:13] <FTTP> should autodetect the res :)
[02:14] <ogra> kgill: i think its a ISA card....
[02:15] <kgill> isa shows up with a -t
[02:15] <ogra> kgill: read the manpage .....
[02:16] <thoreauputic> FTTP: yes, that's what I meant about the Mandrake installer - you choose a monitor and then click to test if it works as expected: if not you can go back and retry
[02:16] <ogra> kgill: i.e.: man lspci
[02:16] <kgill> so isa, ide,usb,acpi(not sure what this is) and the video card
[02:16] <Scognito> ogra, in ubuntu-desktop there are LOT of unnedeed packages
[02:16] <kgill> yup already read it
[02:16] <Scognito> can i install xorg separately
[02:16] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  The installer part needs to be debated among developers
[02:16] <ogra> Scognito: its needed for a clean upgrade
[02:16] <FTTP> but we need a better solution than there is now
[02:16] <Scognito> ok
[02:17] <trans_err> If i'm using NvAGP="1" should agpgart and nvidia_agp be loaded?
[02:17] <scopecrp> ogra what package should i search for in bugzilla re: the cd drives?
[02:18] <ogra> scopecrp: probably raid ?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> kgill: try  lspci | grep audio   and see if you get anything
[02:18] <ogra> thoreauputic: its a ISA card.....
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ogra: ah Ok - sorry
[02:18] <kgill> nothing comes up
[02:18] <ogra> sorry guys, my girl gets angry slowly.....have to go to bed......2am
[02:19] <kgill> no errors just exicutes the command
[02:19] <kgill> thankx ogra
[02:20] <ogra> kgill: try to find out the cardname.... then look for the module in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/sound/isa/ the guys will help you.....
[02:20] <FTTP> thoreauputic and ogra:  http://www.osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=173&slide=23
[02:20] <ogra> night all
[02:21] <FTTP> fedora has it where you just select the resolution you want to use, not the resolutions you want to use
[02:21] <FTTP> err i mean
[02:21] <FTTP> sorry
[02:21] <FTTP> like with ubuntu u have to select several resolutions that you want to be able to use
[02:22] <FTTP> with fedora u only select one resolution but i believe it sets u up to switch amongst all of them
[02:22] <FTTP> fedora doesnt ask for monitor type either
[02:22] <FTTP> i thought it did
[02:22] <FTTP> that was redhat which did i guess :P
[02:23] <FTTP> prolly older versions
[02:25] <Gnobody> ne1 here?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Gnobody: no, the 268 others are figments of your imagination ;-)
[02:26] <Gnobody> awsome
[02:26] <Gnobody> I am going crazy ;)
[02:27] <trans_err> How do I stop agpgart from starting at boot?
[02:27] <kgill> I am looking at the lib/modules....../......./......./sound/isa
[02:27] <Gnobody> how do I get the gnome services panel back in hoary??
[02:27] <kgill> and see alot*.ko files
[02:29] <trans_err> can anyonle help me disable agpgart from starting?
[02:29] <Scognito> ok
[02:29] <Scognito> everything works
[02:29] <Scognito> xorg installed
[02:30] <Scognito> :)
[02:30] <Scognito> thnx for help oddabe19
[02:30] <Scognito> sorry, ogra
[02:34] <PorscheBoy> can u upgrade the kernel using apt-get?
[02:35] <FTTP> ubuntu dropped to #20 on distrowatch
[02:35] <FTTP> for 12 mths
[02:35] <FTTP> it was #13
[02:36] <FTTP> the last i looked :(
[02:37] <thoreauputic> FTTP: normal. The "new toy" effect is wearing off, that's all
[02:38] <CoffeeMan> How do I get unsupported Debian packages in Ubuntu?
[02:38] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  hoary should be exciting....... right now warty is good for usage but has a few quirks
[02:39] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Warty is great for a 1st release tho IMHO
[02:40] <CoffeeMan> what is IMHO
[02:40] <discord> coffeman: my guess would be add debian sources to your sources.lst
[02:40] <trans_err> does anyone please know how to disable agpgart from starting?
[02:40] <CoffeeMan> discord: Why thank you, is that all?
[02:40] <trans_err> I looked through rc, modules.conf, everything...
[02:40] <CoffeeMan> what is IMHO?
[02:40] <FTTP> http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html
[02:40] <FTTP> very interesting
[02:41] <discord> coffeeman: its just a guess but you should try messing around with aptitude instead of synaptic
[02:41] <discord> coffeeman: In My Humble Opinon
[02:41] <discord> or URaHO
[02:42] <CoffeeMan> discord: I appreciate it, but I don't like aptitude, I like either synaptic, or just the terminal.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> adding debian sources will break your installation in strange and unusual ways
[02:43] <CoffeeMan> thoreauputic: how so?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> CoffeeMan: ubuntu has its own repositories - and Ubuntu's dependencies are different, and so on
[02:44] <thoreauputic> bonobo: synaptic CoffeeMan
[02:44] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bonobo: mplayer CoffeeMan
[02:45] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:45] <thoreauputic> other restricted formats... also enable universe and multiverse
[02:45] <kensai> bonobo is a kool guy ;)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bonobo: multiverse CoffeeMan
[02:47] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bonobo: universe CoffeeMan
[02:47] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[02:48] <thoreauputic> CoffeeMan: that should keep you busy for a while ;-)
[02:50] <liberaltugboat> hey
[02:51] <liberaltugboat> i was wondering if anyone knows of any really good linux web portals I could use as my home page
[02:51] <kensai> liberaltugboat, www.ubuntulinux.org ;)
[02:53] <liberaltugboat> kensai, lol something that has news on it
[02:54] <kensai> liberaltugboat, I always use distrowatch.com very useful or linux.org or osnews.com no other
[02:54] <gloin_> I'm having trouble updating my nvidia drivers - I've got the correct kernel sources, and I've got a compiler, but the nvidia installer craps out every time.
[02:54] <thoreauputic> bonobo: nvidia gloin_
[02:54] <bonobo> gloin_: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> gloin_, are you in X when you try to compile it?
[02:55] <gloin_> ahh binary driver
[02:55] <gloin_> thoreauputic: counterintuitive name of that howto - i was just there
[02:55] <gloin_> liberaltugboat: yeah lol, it's something else
[02:55] <thoreauputic> gloin_: read the bonobo bot URL :)
[02:55] <FTTP> how is the gnoppix different than ubuntu livecd?
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> cause it will not compile while in X
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> !!
[02:55] <FTTP> is the latest gnoppix = ubuntu?
[02:55] <gloin_> liberaltugboat: duh =P
[02:55] <FTTP> for the livecd or are they still a little different
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> FTTP, gnoppix is working with ubuntu to make the live cd better
[02:56] <FTTP> liberaltugboat right but is the latest gnoppix livecd the same as ubuntu?
[02:56] <FTTP> or are they different?
[02:56] <liberaltugboat> yeah pretty much
[02:56] <liberaltugboat> might be a tad different
[02:56] <liberaltugboat> but it is based on ubuntu
[02:57] <FTTP> right
[02:57] <FTTP> hmm
[02:57] <Telep> hmm, dma is not being enabled on my cd drive by default. What do I need to edit so it enables it on boot?
[02:57] <Gwildor> like a customized ubuntu
[02:57] <liberaltugboat> only way to know is DL it
[02:57] <gloin_> thoreauputic: the URL referenced does not show how to install current drivers, which are at 6629 - the deb package is 6111, which is deprecated and a LOT slower
[02:57] <mojo_> arhh, I stuck with the **** sed for more than a day, I just want to get my box restart, can someone push up the slow turtle cron.tab?
[02:57] <gloin_> so
[02:57] <PorscheBoy> ---
[02:58] <gloin_> does anyone know how to compile the drivers from nvidia?
[02:58] <liberaltugboat> gloin you might want to see if there is a .deb pack in the hoary tree
[02:58] <gloin_> hrm
[02:58] <thoreauputic> gloin_: well, sorry I just invoked the bot - I don't know about nvidia drivers, sorry
[02:58] <syamajala> anyone tried ubuntu in virtual pc on a mac?
[02:58] <PorscheBoy> dd
[02:58] <gloin_> liberaltugboat: I'm reluctant to do a .deb package unless absolutely neccessary
[02:58] <PorscheBoy> fgfg
[02:58] <Gnobody> you need kernel-headers
[02:58] <Gnobody> gloin
[02:58] <gloin_> Gnobody: thx
[02:59] <Gnobody> but you need them for your exact kernel version
[02:59] <syamajala> does your ethernet card need to work for the installation?
[02:59] <FTTP> ubuntu uses the same debian prompt at the beginning
[02:59] <PorscheBoy> can u install a new kernel image with apt-get in ubuntu?
[02:59] <FTTP> like with the logo and all
[02:59] <gloin_> Gnobody: Package kernel-headers has no installation candidate
[02:59] <FTTP> when it boots i mean
[02:59] <Gnobody> you also need make and gcc
[02:59] <gloin_> that's from apt-get install kernel-headers
[02:59] <moyogo> syamajala: you can install with the cd only
[02:59] <Gnobody> gloin_ use synaptic
[02:59] <gloin_> ugh
[02:59] <gloin_> I have to start X then =[
[02:59] <Gnobody> wait
[02:59] <syamajala> moyogo, it keeps failing for me
[02:59] <Gnobody> you can do it without
[03:00] <liberaltugboat> use aptitude
[03:00] <Gnobody> uname -r
[03:00] <FTTP> warty
[03:00] <liberaltugboat> then you dont have to start x
[03:00] <FTTP> hoary too unstable :(
[03:00] <Gnobody> yeah or that
[03:00] <syamajala> moyogo, it gets up to the bsd package and says something about the ethernet card
[03:00] <FTTP> if u update it its ok tho
[03:00] <Gnobody> hoary isnt bad
[03:00] <FTTP> gnobody:  try the developmental iso :P
[03:00] <gloin_> argh
[03:00] <Gnobody> no thanx
[03:00] <FTTP> gnobody:  Hoary is ok if you upgrade :P
[03:00] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, i agree with u that's y i'm running pure debian right now
[03:00] <liberaltugboat> hoary is in pre beta status of course it is unstable
[03:00] <Gnobody> Alpha
[03:01] <FTTP> porscheboy:  yeah i should do pure debian
[03:01] <gloin_> E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[03:01] <FTTP> for the time being
[03:01] <gloin_> ffs
[03:01] <gloin_> I have to reboot to get X working
[03:01] <FTTP> till ubuntu gets better :P
[03:01] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, i'm running Debian Sarge
[03:01] <thoreauputic> gloin_: apt-cache search linux-headers
[03:01] <gloin_> /etc/init.d/gdm start throws an error that something isn't unloading when X quits
[03:01] <Gnobody> did you upgrade to an i686 kernel gloin_?
[03:01] <FTTP> porscheboy:  i can install it over the net right?
[03:01] <PorscheBoy> man, u can upgrade the kernel images like u upgrade software with apt-get
[03:01] <FTTP> ubuntu is great tho, dont get me wrong
[03:02] <PorscheBoy> i know
[03:02] <FTTP> i just want to try sarge....... ubuntu has more potential and it all goes back to debian anyways
[03:02] <gloin_> Gnobody: yeah, that's the output from uname-r
[03:02] <FTTP> porscheboy:  Can i do a network install tho ?
[03:02] <FTTP> porscheboy:  Just download 1 iso then net install what i want right?
[03:02] <FTTP> see i dont need all the debian packages
[03:02] <gloin_> ah
[03:02] <gloin_> hehe
[03:02] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, that's how i installed my debian
[03:03] <PorscheBoy> same here
[03:03] <Gnobody> try  kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:03] <gloin_> I was trying to install "kernel-headers" but needed "linux-headers"
[03:03] <gloin_> it's okay
[03:03] <FTTP> porscheboy:  ok ill do that :P i should use the new installer iso right?
[03:03] <gloin_> I got the 686 package
[03:03] <Gnobody> oh
[03:03] <Gnobody> lol
[03:03] <Scognito> nite
[03:03] <Gnobody> my mistake
[03:03] <PorscheBoy> so it's that's yes
[03:03] <gloin_> now it builds =]
[03:03] <PorscheBoy> use Sarge iso
[03:04] <gloin_> I wonder how long it will take for a .deb file with current nvidia-drivers
[03:04] <FTTP> porscheboy: wheres the link?
[03:04] <Gnobody> I don't know I thought it would be on universe by now
[03:04] <PorscheBoy> let me look it up...hold on
[03:04] <Gnobody> especially with x.org
[03:04] <FTTP> porscheboy:  netinst CD image, with Debian base
[03:04] <FTTP> that one right?
[03:04] <Gnobody> I wonder when the new artwork will be in Hoary?
[03:05] <FTTP> i found it
[03:05] <FTTP> right on the website
[03:05] <thoreauputic> FTTP:  http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[03:06] <FTTP> yeah thats where im downloading from
[03:06] <FTTP> im gonna see how sarge is different
[03:06] <PorscheBoy> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/
[03:06] <FTTP> prolly not that much tho
[03:06] <FTTP> porscheboy:  You would go with the weekly?
[03:06] <FTTP> thats how i messed up my ubuntu :P
[03:06] <liberaltugboat> hehe Im trying to murder my internet connection
[03:06] <liberaltugboat> tons of DLs going!! w00t
[03:06] <PorscheBoy> it's just net install
[03:07] <PorscheBoy> it's way more stable than ubuntu
[03:07] <FTTP> porscheboy its ok i got it from the main debian website
[03:07] <FTTP> netinst CD image, with Debian base
[03:07] <Gnobody> man the internet in general is slow for me
[03:07] <Gwildor> liberaltugboat, with what?
[03:07] <FTTP> that one from the installer site
[03:07] <Gnobody> mainly HTTP stuff
[03:07] <Gnobody> I think it is because of the new MSN search bots
[03:07] <PorscheBoy> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/
[03:07] <liberaltugboat> i got some linux ISOs on the way, a ton of music, I know it could handle more
[03:07] <FTTP> porscheboy no thanks
[03:07] <FTTP> i got this one:
[03:07] <FTTP> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/i386/pre-rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso
[03:08] <PorscheBoy> that's good i think i got that one
[03:08] <Sensebend> I'm upgrading to hoary
[03:08] <Sensebend> :)
[03:08] <FTTP> oh wait
[03:08] <FTTP> this is pre-rc2
[03:08] <FTTP> doh
[03:08] <FTTP> did rc2 come out yet?
[03:08] <FTTP> or no?
[03:09] <PorscheBoy> just burn it and it will configure ur network and then apt-get update and install gnome or kde or whatever
[03:09] <FTTP> yep
[03:09] <FTTP> erasing cd
[03:10] <FTTP> then will burn
[03:10] <Gnobody> sid would be nice if it didn't break everything for me
[03:10] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, can u paste the text from sources.list on here so i can get the link to ubuntu repositories
[03:10] <FTTP> porscheboy:  That installer that ubuntu is using was just taken from debian anyways
[03:11] <PorscheBoy> it's the same crap
[03:11] <FTTP> so likely it will improve anyways
[03:11] <FTTP> porscheboy yeah
[03:11] <PorscheBoy> exact same thing
[03:11] <FTTP> porscheboy:  Yep
[03:11] <FTTP> the installer could be a bit better
[03:11] <PorscheBoy> all i know is that it's doesn't freeze my computer like ubuntu did
[03:11] <FTTP> ubuntu didnt freeze me
[03:11] <FTTP> i like ubuntu alot
[03:12] <FTTP> i just want to try debian sarge to see the differences
[03:12] <Gnobody> what do you mean freeze?
[03:12] <Gwildor> synaptic gives me a nasty 5 line message, join #flood if you would like to try to help
[03:12] <PorscheBoy> well, ubuntu has a bug that affects people with AMD and NVidia systems
[03:12] <FTTP> oh
[03:12] <Gnobody> I have both
[03:12] <FTTP> i have p4 and nivida
[03:12] <gloin_> crap
[03:12] <Gnobody> I have AMD and Nvdidia
[03:12] <gloin_> broke my x server
[03:12] <Gnobody> *nvidia
[03:12] <Gnobody> what bug?
[03:13] <FTTP> porsacheboy report bug, should be fixed for final hoary :)
[03:13] <PorscheBoy> well, it would lock up my gnome and i can't even do alt-ctrl-f1 to get out of X
[03:13] <liberaltugboat> does anyone know of any cheap linux compatible dial up internet providers
[03:13] <gloin_> Gnobody: how to get xorg on here?
[03:13] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  any!
[03:13] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  linux uses ppp
[03:13] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, hoary has a bug also...the Desktop window doesn't refresh sometimes
[03:13] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  any but aol
[03:14] <FTTP> aol uses its own shit
[03:14] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  any ppp provider will work
[03:14] <Gnobody> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg gloin_
[03:14] <Gnobody> and do a system upgrade
[03:14] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  www.thelist.org
[03:14] <Gnobody> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:14] <Gnobody> after a sudo apt-get update
[03:15] <gloin_> ahh the upgrade is what I'm missing
[03:15] <FTTP> liberaltugboaT:  Sorry wrong url
[03:15] <FTTP> www.thelist.com
[03:15] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, can i have the link to ubuntu repositories?
[03:15] <PorscheBoy> it;s in ur sources.list
[03:15] <FTTP> porscheboy im in windows now
[03:15] <gloin_> Gnobody: and then a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right?
[03:15] <FTTP> my ubuntu is f0xed
[03:16] <FTTP> i installed from the daily images
[03:16] <FTTP> for hoardy
[03:16] <Gnobody> no you don't need to
[03:16] <FTTP> err hoary
[03:16] <FTTP> i got weird errors, and it wont even let me log into text install
[03:16] <Gnobody> you may need xorg-common too
[03:16] <gloin_> Gnobody: does it automatically replace XFree86?
[03:16] <Gnobody> yes
[03:16] <gloin_> sweet
[03:16] <FTTP> im installing sarge on that drive now
[03:16] <Gnobody> I know
[03:16] <Gnobody> you won't for long gloin_
[03:17] <Gnobody> and then you have the best xserver you can get
[03:17] <gloin_> yep
[03:17] <gloin_> still need the newer nvidia driver
[03:17] <Gnobody> you'll*
[03:17] <gloin_> <--doom3 junky
[03:17] <kapputu> hi all
[03:17] <kapputu> bonobo
[03:17] <gloin_> bonobo...
[03:17] <Gnobody> Yeah I know DooM 3 blows
[03:17] <gloin_> nah
[03:17] <Gnobody> it is a tech demo
[03:17] <Gnobody> for the engine
[03:17] <Sensebend> Doom 3 Blows compared to HL2 :)
[03:17] <kapputu> bonobo: vmware
[03:17] <gloin_> I was getting 25 fps in timedemo without precaching
[03:18] <Gnobody> ouch
[03:18] <kapputu> ok good
[03:18] <gloin_> ubuntu has much better framerate
[03:18] <Gnobody> videocard?
[03:18] <gloin_> 5900XT
[03:18] <gloin_> I think it's pretty good
[03:18] <Gnobody> <--- 6800 NU
[03:18] <kapputu> how good is wine
[03:18] <gloin_> argh!
[03:18] <gloin_> lol
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> I know
[03:18] <Gnobody> wine is ok
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> made from grapes and everything
[03:18] <kapputu> let me clarify, I'm not trying to get drunk here
[03:18] <Gnobody> what do you want to run?
[03:18] <kensai> kapputu, when old better thats the pleasure of wine ;)
[03:19] <kapputu> editplus
[03:19] <gloin_> Gnobody: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg
[03:19] <kapputu> more like an emergency thing
[03:19] <gloin_> apt-cache search xorg returned nothing
[03:19] <Gnobody> it is easiest to use a front-end for Wine like Cedega or CrossoverOffice but there are a ton of tutorials on the net for Wine
[03:20] <kapputu> I'm planning to get rid of Windows
[03:20] <gloin_> <---on warty
[03:20] <Gnobody> oh warty
[03:20] <gloin_> with universe and multiverse
[03:20] <Gnobody> you can't get x.org with warty
[03:20] <gloin_> augh
[03:20] <Gnobody> you need hoary in your sources
[03:20] <kensai> kapputu, wine is very good until the app you want uses installshield installer but all is perfect
[03:20] <EfaistOs> do u have some problem with sed ?
[03:20] <EfaistOs> the pkg ?
[03:21] <kapputu> if I want to buy vmware, should I buy vmware workstation ?
[03:21] <gloin_> hmm
[03:21] <Gnobody> no kapputu
[03:21] <kapputu> which one?
[03:21] <kensai> kapputu, win4lin is better
[03:21] <Gnobody> just set it up yourself
[03:21] <kapputu> I meant the product
[03:21] <kapputu> what's win4lin?
[03:22] <kensai> kapputu, you shuld read more aboutwin4lin or vmware
[03:22] <gloin_> hmm
[03:22] <Gnobody> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:22] <kapputu> is win4lin free ?
[03:22] <kensai> kapputu, win4lin is the same as wine but better
[03:22] <gloin_> Gnobody: emacs =]
[03:22] <gloin_> but anyhow
[03:22] <gloin_> what do I want to add in there
[03:22] <EfaistOs> some problem with the sed pkg --> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[03:22] <EfaistOs> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[03:22] <Gnobody> change everything from warty to hoary
[03:22] <gloin_> ok
[03:22] <kensai> kapputu, you need to buy win4lin
[03:23] <EfaistOs> i've got this message when upgrading the system :-(
[03:23] <kensai> EfaistOs, see the topic
[03:23] <kensai> EfaistOs, sed is broken
[03:23] <kapputu> kensai: why not vmware
[03:23] <kensai> EfaistOs, thats the problem
[03:23] <EfaistOs> didnt see
[03:23] <EfaistOs> shit
[03:24] <gloin_> heh
[03:24] <Gnobody> why do you want to run a windows virtual machine kapputu?
[03:24] <kapputu> just as a backup
[03:24] <kensai> kapputu, I haven't tried vmware but I have heard very good things about win4lin
[03:24] <kapputu> I mean in the event that I have to run some windows application
[03:24] <gloin_> I've been using linux constantly since 1998 and this is the first distro I've used that's deb-based
[03:24] <kapputu> I don't want to go to Windows
[03:24] <kapputu> last time I went there, I got infected with a blaster
[03:25] <kensai> kapputu, good choice windows free
[03:25] <kapputu> haven't used Windows at home in a month
[03:25] <Gnobody> well you probably won't need to (honestly) I have found a single thing that without a small search around google that can't be done on Linux that can on Windows
[03:25] <kensai> kapputu, Hurray
[03:25] <Gnobody> have yet*
[03:25] <kapputu> I have always wanted to have linux only machines
[03:25] <Sensebend> Gnobody, Adobe CS
[03:25] <gloin_> kapputu: I've successfully used some wine or another for any application I've ever needed, and haven't used windows on my home or work desktop in over two years
[03:25] <Gnobody> ok one app
[03:25] <kapputu> but since I was in school, I din't have much time to poke around
[03:26] <Gnobody> I miss photoshop
[03:26] <Sensebend> Macromedia Studio MX 2004
[03:26] <PorscheBoy> Gnobody, can u give me the link to ubuntu apt-get repositories?
[03:26] <Gnobody> but you can use Wine for those
[03:26] <Gnobody> or atleast 7
[03:26] <gloin_> Sensebend: wrong - crossover supports studio mx 2k4
[03:26] <gloin_> =]
[03:26] <kapputu> do you guys know of any good remote development IDE for linux?
[03:26] <Sensebend> really?
[03:26] <Sensebend> Crossover 4 does?
[03:26] <Gnobody> there isn't much difference between Photoshop 7 and CS
[03:26] <snerfu> hi
[03:27] <gloin_> Sensebend: there's no cx5 yet =]
[03:27] <gloin_> hrm
[03:28] <Sensebend> there is quite a difference
[03:28] <Gnobody> did you get warty working yet gloin_??
[03:28] <gloin_> Gnobody: going hoary
[03:28] <kapputu> any1 using hoary?
[03:28] <gloin_> I somehow totally borked my xserver
[03:28] <gen> im using hoary kapputu
[03:28] <kapputu> any problems with it?
[03:28] <kensai> kapputu, 90% of us use hoary
[03:29] <Sensebend> automatic colour matching of seperate images for one
[03:29] <kensai> kapputu, we have a broken package right now
[03:29] <gen> it is..
[03:29] <Sensebend> Shadow/Highlight
[03:29] <kapputu> ok one of my machines will be blessed with hoary this weekend
[03:29] <gloin_> kensai: which package is broken?
[03:29] <magik> where abouts can i find the grub config file?
[03:29] <gen> sed
[03:29] <Sensebend> Photomerge
[03:29] <kensai> gloin_, firefox is already 1.0.2ubuntu2 in hoary I have it and is running rock solid
[03:29] <kapputu> sed is broken?
[03:30] <kensai> gloin_, sed is broken
[03:30] <gloin_> eek
[03:30] <crack> guys,
[03:30] <kapputu> is it not like a fundamental package?
[03:30] <Chibi> sed being broken sucks.
[03:30] <crack> thanks
[03:30] <Chibi> I lost my laptop due to sed being broken.
[03:30] <Chibi> ._.
[03:30] <kapputu> how?
[03:30] <kensai> kapputu, no but doesn't let you apt-get upgrade
[03:30] <crack> thoreauputic, dude, you have been sooo helpful. i owe you alot for opening my mind and helping me
[03:30] <crack> thanks
[03:30] <seek187> ?
[03:30] <gen> kensai: doesnt let you do anything
[03:30] <magik> where abouts can i find the grub config file?
[03:31] <seek187> Just install sed from warty
[03:31] <Chibi> Was setting up a new kernel at the time.
[03:31] <Sensebend> so my dist-upgrade will fail because sed is broken?
[03:31] <kensai> gen, LOL, not that much
[03:31] <seek187> magik, /boot/grub/menu.1st
[03:31] <gen> kensai: in terms of apt-get, yes
[03:31] <magik> seek187, thanks
[03:31] <Chibi> Yes, don't dist-upgrade right now.
[03:31] <kensai> magik, /boot/grub
[03:31] <seek187> magik, np
[03:31] <kensai> gen, youre right
[03:32] <kapputu> back to my prev question, I have been hunting for a good IDE for remote development
[03:32] <gloin_> hmm
[03:32] <gloin_> I'm doing upgrade right now
[03:32] <gloin_> wonder if it'll crap out
[03:32] <kensai> gloin_, it should explode only
[03:33] <kapputu> lol
[03:33] <kensai> ;P
[03:33] <seek187> lmao
[03:33] <gloin_> heh
[03:33] <gloin_> still downloading 500 files
[03:33] <kgill> can someone here help me with setting up my sound
[03:33] <seek187> gloin_, if if craps out just unmark sed
[03:33] <gloin_> so how the hell did someone break >sed< of all things?
[03:33] <gloin_> seek187: how do I unmark a specific package
[03:33] <kensai> gloin_, oh when you get to 499 it will start again because of sed
[03:34] <seek187> gloin_, I only know how to do it in Synaptic :/
[03:34] <oddabe19> yeah, how DO we fix this sed thing... more like, when's the new package gonne be on?
[03:34] <oddabe19> i read the thread
[03:34] <kensai> gloin_, just kidding but I recommend don't upgrade to hoary until tomorrow
[03:34] <seek187> oddabe19, you can install sed from warty
[03:34] <kapputu> kensai: is it going to be fixed tomm?
[03:34] <Sensebend> well I unmarked sed :)
[03:35] <gloin_> kensai: heh, upgrade is started...
[03:35] <seek187> me too
[03:35] <kensai> kapputu, yep, maybe
[03:35] <DCastMan> bold
[03:35] <Sensebend> continuing dist-upgrade
[03:35] <gloin_> anyone know how to unmark a package from the commandline?
[03:35] <DCastMan> underlined
[03:35] <kensai> gloin_, cancell it and continue it tomorrow
[03:35] <gloin_> kensai: I might as well go for it - I can't use X right now anyhow
[03:35] <gloin_> so I'm kind of stuck with the upgrade
[03:35] <Gnobody> "ow is that it's doesn't freeze my computer like ubuntu did
[03:35] <Gnobody> FTTP ubuntu didnt free"
[03:36] <kensai> gloin_, why can't you use x?
[03:36] <gloin_> kensai: because I trashed it trying to upgrade nvidia driver
[03:36] <gloin_> actually I think it was fine until i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:36] <kensai> gloin_, weel xorg will fix it
[03:36] <kensai> gloin_, well*
[03:36] <gloin_> kensai: heh, assuming I can get to hoary tonight
[03:37] <Gnobody> sed is making it so I can't upgrade anymore
[03:37] <DCastMan> bold
[03:37] <DCastMan> underlined
[03:37] <gen> gnobody: yes we know
[03:37] <Gnobody> has anybody noticed this
[03:37] <gloin_> DCastMan: wha?
[03:37] <Gnobody> oh
[03:37] <gloin_> btw
[03:37] <Gnobody> is there a workaround?
[03:37] <gloin_> I can't connect to ubuntu forums
[03:37] <gen> read the topic
[03:37] <seek187> Gnobody, unmark it in Synaptic
[03:37] <gloin_> what's up with that?
[03:37] <gen> seek187, you aren't understanding him
[03:37] <Gnobody> it isn't marked
[03:38] <kensai> gloin_, maybe you can get hoary
[03:38] <gloin_> and can someone %Bplease%B tell me how to unmark a particular package when using the %Bcommandline%B instead of synaptic?
[03:38] <seek187> gen, probably not :P
[03:38] <gen> you can't just "unmark" it
[03:38] <seek187> Sure you can
[03:38] <gloin_> arglbargl
[03:38] <gloin_> no X server = no synaptic
[03:38] <jmhodges> has sed been fixed in hoary yet?
[03:38] <Agrajag> what about aptitude
[03:38] <seek187> no
[03:39] <gloin_> Agrajag: is aptitude cli-based?
[03:39] <Gnobody> yes
[03:39] <gloin_> ahh =]
[03:39] <Gnobody> aptitude is
[03:39] <Agrajag> gloin_: yes, it's quite nice
[03:39] <gloin_> see, this is my first deb distro
[03:39] <gloin_> so deb is kind of a new world for me
[03:39] <jmhodges> seek187: that an answer to me?
[03:39] <gloin_> after all the attempts at rpm-management
[03:39] <kensai> jmhodges, nope
[03:39] <seek187> jmhodges, yes
[03:39] <jmhodges> ...
[03:39] <Gnobody> welcome to the real linux world gloin_
[03:39] <gloin_> lol hush
[03:39] <DCastMan> You know what's gay?
[03:39] <stuNNed> dirty fix to sed prob: zcat /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz > /usr/share/info/sed.info && apt-get install sed
[03:39] <jmhodges> fun fun :D
[03:39] <seek187> sed is still broke
[03:39] <jmhodges> gotcha
[03:39] <DCastMan> Master Chief
[03:39] <gloin_> well, downloads done
[03:39] <jmhodges> thanks searcher, kensai
[03:39] <jmhodges> erp
[03:39] <Agrajag> my warty CD was a bad burn, and since I couldn't get a couple of packages off of it (a couple xfree ones), the installer dropped me into aptitude to finish the install
[03:40] <gloin_> time to see sed crap out the upgrade if it'll happen
[03:40] <jmhodges> seek187: thanks
[03:40] <seek187> np
[03:40] <timello> hi there, How can I load a module on startup?
[03:40] <Agrajag> that was actually pretty well done, I thought
[03:40] <jmhodges> anyone know when the debian sync happens?
[03:40] <gloin_> crap!
[03:40] <gloin_> lol
[03:40] <gloin_> there itis
[03:40] <gloin_> of all the things lol
[03:40] <jmhodges> timello: /etc/modules
[03:40] <Gnobody> stuNNed as root I get "permission denied"
[03:40] <Sensebend> yeah strange
[03:41] <Sensebend> I imagine Xorg or something like that would be broken
[03:41] <Sensebend> but sed?
[03:41] <Sensebend> lol
[03:41] <timello> jmhodges, thx!
[03:41] <jmhodges> timello: np
[03:41] <DCastMan> sudo plz
[03:42] <DCastMan> format /gvg as ReiserFS
[03:42] <gloin_> oh fuck
[03:42] <gloin_> sorry, language
[03:42] <gloin_> but
[03:42] <gloin_> (#&$()&#R_(*#&$)*(#&$)(*@&!!!!!
[03:42] <DCastMan> format /gvg as ReiserFS please
[03:43] <DCastMan> somone do it for me
[03:43] <gloin_> I can't do squat with the broken sed package in the way
[03:43] <DCastMan> somebody please
[03:43] <Sensebend> gloin_, unmark sed
[03:44] <gloin_> Sensebend: I'm in cli
[03:44] <gloin_> unmarking sed is going to be difficult
[03:44] <Sensebend> aptitude
[03:44] <seek187> yeah aptitude good idea
[03:44] <Sensebend> kinda like synaptic but cli :)
[03:44] <gloin_> in base/main, eh?
[03:44] <seek187> yes
[03:45] <seek187> oh
[03:45] <gloin_> err, no
[03:45] <DCastMan> can some1 plz
[03:45] <EfaistOs> kensai, i took the sarge sed pkg and its okay now :)
[03:46] <gloin_> great
[03:46] <gloin_> sed is showing as half-configured
[03:46] <kapputu> any screenshots of xorg in hoary?
[03:46] <Agrajag> kapputu: they'd look exactly the same as xfree
[03:46] <Telep> kapputu: it will look exactly the same ;)
[03:46] <seek187> gloin_, it's fine just unmark it in aptitude like he said
[03:46] <kapputu> then why bother?
[03:46] <Agrajag> The only difference would be if you chose to play around with compose stuff
[03:46] <Agrajag> kapputu: it's a hell of a lot faster
[03:47] <EfaistOs> kapputu, and why not ? :)
[03:47] <kapputu> ic
[03:47] <seek187> If it all comes down to it then you can always install the warty one
[03:47] <Agrajag> what did you think it was going to do, gold-plate your windows?
[03:47] <kapputu> I never thought about what it was going to do
[03:47] <DCastMan> guys
[03:47] <DCastMan> please
[03:47] <jmhodges> DCastMan: whats up?
[03:47] <kapputu> Agrajag: why would you assume that I assumed that it would gold plate my windows?
[03:47] <gen> i think he is annoyed by the mindless blabber
[03:48] <DCastMan> help me format /gvg as reiserfs
[03:48] <gen> or not
[03:48] <kapputu> anyway why wasn't it used originally in warty
[03:48] <Agrajag> kapputu: I didn't assume that. I asked you if that's waht you expected.
[03:48] <Agrajag> kapputu: they wanted to wait for the non-monolithic release
[03:48] <Agrajag> but I think they don't want to wait that long now, or something
[03:48] <kapputu> what do you mean by non-monolithic
[03:48] <jmhodges> DCastMan: ok, /gvg is not what you want to format... instead, you want to format the partition or device that is mounted at /gvg
[03:49] <Agrajag> They're splitting up xorg into multiple sections, check out freedesktop.org for more info on that
[03:49] <Agrajag> it'll be based on kdrive I think
[03:49] <kapputu> what's kdrive?
[03:49] <gloin_> crap
[03:49] <gloin_> it wants the CDROM?
[03:49] <Telep> but the release is after Hoary
[03:49] <jmhodges> DCastMan: /gvg is just the "mount point".. the directory the device is told to "be under" so that the user can access it
[03:50] <kapputu> freedesktop.org was hacked
[03:50] <DCastMan> oh
[03:50] <Agrajag> kapputu: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html
[03:50] <jmhodges> DCastMan: the file (because all devices are considered files in linux) is somewhere in /dev
[03:50] <jmhodges> figure out what /dev file is mounted to /gvg and then we can talk :)
[03:50] <Telep> gloin_: you need to comment out the line involving the cd int /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <Agrajag> anyway, the non-monolithic xorg will be based on kdrive with some other stuff on top
[03:51] <kapputu> ic
[03:51] <gloin_> Telep: thx
[03:51] <kapputu> thanks
[03:51] <kapputu> firefox 1.0 crashed on me a few times when it tried to use mplayer-plugin
[03:51] <kgill> anyone here know how to setup Gnomemeeting?
[03:54] <gloin_> can someone point me to an online tutorial or howto for aptitude?
[03:54] <gloin_> this program is about as intuitive as vi
[03:55] <seek187> gloin_, man aptitude?
[03:55] <DCastMan> Who is incharge of the Ubuntu project?
[03:55] <mike_douglas> Mark Shuttleworth
[03:55] <DCastMan> Thanks
[03:55] <Agrajag> Canonical, Inc.
[03:57] <Gmail> firefox crashes when ever i use any plug in
[03:57] <gloin_> CRAP
[03:57] <gloin_> I'm stuck as far as I can tell
[03:57] <gloin_> there's only one version of sed showing
[03:57] <gloin_> and it's the broken verison
[03:57] <gloin_> version*
[03:57] <gloin_> 4.1.2-2
[03:58] <gloin_> how the hell could sed be broken
[03:58] <gloin_> of all packages
[03:58] <gen> stop complaining
[03:58] <gloin_> sorry
[03:58] <gloin_> but my desktop is effectively down
[03:58] <gloin_> <--on laptop right now
[03:58] <scoon> gloin: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ or read the man pages on apt-get and dpkg
[03:58] <seek187> gloin_, just install the warty version of sed geesh
[04:00] <stuNNed> gloin_, it won't boot?
[04:00] <seek187> he messed up X..
[04:00] <gen> how exactly did you mess up X gloin
[04:01] <gloin_> hmm
[04:01] <gloin_> I changed my sources.list back to warty
[04:01] <gloin_> apt-get update pulled down some packages
[04:01] <gloin_> but still getting sed error
[04:01] <gloin_> where's it cached?
[04:01] <lupus_> apt-get clean?
[04:01] <lupus_> :p
[04:01] <thoreauputic> guys, just a gentle reminder: hoary is the development branch and things *will* break - if you can'y handle that, stick with warty
[04:02] <kensai> gloin_, i told you don't upgrade to hoary until tomorrow
[04:02] <seek187> gloin_, I got it off the cd and installed it with dpkg -i sed_4.1.2-1_i386.deb
[04:02] <regeya> grr.  Aaron Copland - El Saln Mxico.  Nice to see that neither Totem nor Rhythmbox can handle the extended characters in either the filename or the id3 tag.
[04:02] <gloin_> got it
[04:02] <gen> xmms? :)
[04:03] <gloin_> heh
[04:03] <regeya> don't know, don't want to know.
[04:03] <gen> xmms > *
[04:03] <regeya> wrong, but thanks for playing. ;-D
[04:03] <crimsun> regeya: what locale?
[04:03] <crimsun> technically UTF-8 is _not_ allowed in id3 tags
[04:03] <regeya> hm.
[04:03] <crimsun> however, vorbis comments use UTF-8 by default :)
[04:04] <regeya> heh
[04:04] <regeya> good point
[04:04] <gloin_> xmms makes Bjrk's name look interesting
[04:04] <DCastMan> Bjrk sucks
[04:04] <regeya> I should just use a vorbis-friendly player at work on OS X, and use vorbis at home, true.
[04:05] <gloin_> DCastMan: sacrelige!
[04:05] <Agrajag> woa I just put on some bjrk
[04:06] <gloin_> =]
[04:06] <Agrajag> wait I'm fat and ugly :(
[04:06] <regeya> I don't suppose xmms supports replaygain tags in mp3s...
[04:07] <Agrajag> might be a plugin for it
[04:07] <regeya> hrm.
[04:08] <bratsche> Anyone here on amd64?
[04:08] <gloin_> I wish
[04:08] <Sensebend> well upgrade to hoary went fine
[04:08] <Sensebend> with sed unmarked
[04:08] <Sensebend> :)
[04:09] <gloin_> Sensebend: good to know =]
[04:09] <gloin_> looks like my xserver is still broken
[04:09] <gloin_> I did manage to get xorg installed
[04:09] <crimsun> regeya: no, it doesn't, unfortunately
[04:10] <bratsche> I'm getting errors trying to update base-files.
[04:10] <crimsun> regeya: I just mp3gain all my mp3s
[04:10] <calc> bratsche: yea
[04:10] <gloin_> I'm going to have to try and figure out how to do a system upgrade from aptitude with sed unmarked...
[04:10] <bratsche> calc: Okay.. just checking to see if that's a known problem.  I'll try again tomorrow.
[04:11] <PorscheBoy> df
[04:11] <calc> bratsche: haven't booted into ubuntu in a few weeks, so haven't seen the issue
[04:11] <scoon> gloin_: check the link i gave you and you won't need to "figure out anything"
[04:12] <bratsche> calc: Well, I think it just started since Saturday.   RCS ?
[04:20] <gloin_> linux_mafia: haven't heard about oin, gimly is in some kind of mess involving elves...   What are you getting at?    Just ignore him.
[04:28] <stuNNed> see part of topic ->offtopic -> #ubuntu-offtopic please, go there to talk about this kind of crap.
[04:28] <s0cks> I am a Red Hat person. Convince me to change.
[04:28] <dcm> This is on topic
[04:28] <s0cks> :P
[04:28] <dcm> This a room about Ubuntu Linux
[04:28] <s0cks> I want opinions on what distro to move into.
[04:28] <gloin_> jdub: please kickban
[04:28] <Sensebend> s0cks, apt-get :)
[04:28] <dcm> The petition is about Ubuntu Linux
[04:28] <seek187> s0cks, no rpm's :P
[04:28] <Agrajag> Sensebend: you can use apt in redhat though
[04:29] <Sensebend> yeah true
[04:29] <Sensebend> but it's easier just to use a debian based distro
[04:29] <dcm> So
[04:29] <Agrajag> It's a much easier setup process
[04:29] <stuNNed> jmhodges, lol
[04:29] <dcm> Am I getting any signatures here?
[04:29] <s0cks> I was thinking of doing Mandrake
[04:29] <Sensebend> nice little community too
[04:29] <kensai> s0cks, Ubuntu is great man the change from red hat to ubuntu is good I've done it myself
[04:29] <s0cks> Why do i need an easier setup?  How about fedora?
[04:30] <dcm> Thank you for your inhostility.
[04:30] <jdub> leave out the distro discussion too please
[04:30] <gloin_> jesus
[04:30] <s0cks> Ok. Sorry. Looking for common opinion.
[04:30] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-offtopic for distro wars
[04:30] <s0cks> I might switch though.
[04:30] <Agrajag> s0cks: eh, pretty buggy too from what I understand.
[04:30] <Agrajag> anyway
[04:30] <Agrajag> give it a try
[04:30] <Sensebend> Fedora Core 3 isn't too bad
[04:30] <Agrajag> hm
[04:30] <s0cks> Can you cluster with this?
[04:31] <Agrajag> anything you can do in linux, you can do in ubuntu
[04:31] <deang> can someone give me a URL to the installation screen that described the root password?
[04:31] <UdontKnow> racism is not really ontopic on the whole network. I'll have a chat with dcm
[04:31] <s0cks> Root pass is for all admin usage.
[04:31] <gloin_> why he was not banned outright is what I wanna know...
[04:31] <s0cks> Basically your all access pass.
[04:31] <Agrajag> deang: what do you mean
[04:31] <Agrajag> s0cks: there is no root password in a default ubuntu install
[04:31] <s0cks> I got spammed a swastika and he got no punishment from freenode.
[04:31] <deang> well, I didn't read that screen. :P  And not sure what to use when I sudo.  Must I re-install?
[04:31] <jdub> gloin_: because there is no point responding unless it gets ridiculous.
[04:32] <UdontKnow> s0cks: uh? who are you talking about?
[04:32] <jdub> gloin_: and i would ask you to not encourage it by responding ni future.
[04:32] <s0cks> msg me udontknow
[04:32] <Agrajag> deang: no
[04:32] <UdontKnow> s0cks: mind moving this to pm or to #freenode?
[04:32] <Agrajag> deang: you use your user's password
[04:32] <jdub> deang: there's a FAQ about it on the website.
[04:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, do you still do bluetooth packages in your own repo, or are they just in the main repos now?
[04:32] <kapputu> ok I have Ubuntu on my laptop
[04:32] <Agrajag> sudo <whatever> then give the password you always use
[04:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: they're in my repo, but not updated
[04:32] <kapputu> when I shut it down, the laptop power LED doesn't go off
[04:33] <Agrajag> you CAN set a root password, but I don't reccommend it
[04:33] <kapputu> I have to manually power it off
[04:33] <s0cks> AFK at the moment. Attending to other networks and such.
[04:33] <seek187> My laptop does that too
[04:33] <Agrajag> kapputu: is acpid running?
[04:34] <gen> night kensai
[04:34] <seek187> Agrajag, acpid would fix that?
[04:34] <Agrajag> if you don't have acpi support working it won't shut down itself
[04:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok, just ive noticed, and i guess it must be a kernel/bluez.. thing, that when i plug in my usb bt dongle, my box starts working hard out, i can see the temp rise, and hear the fan revving up, but top etc show nothing taxing the cpu
[04:34] <Agrajag> seek187: well no, acpid would be dead at that point, but if acpid is running then kernel acpi support is probably working
[04:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, this only happened recently
[04:35] <jdub> deang: go to the website, type 'root' into the search box
[04:35] <seek187> I see
[04:35] <linux_mafia> maybe a hoary issue
[04:35] <thoreauputic> bonobo: root deang
[04:35] <bonobo> deang: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:35] <kapputu> Agrajag: how do I get acpi working?
[04:35] <kapputu> bonobo: thoreauputic
[04:35] <Agrajag> kapputu: search me, it Just Worked for me
[04:36] <Agrajag> try the forums/wiki if nobody else here can help
[04:37] <Agrajag> sup dukeku
[04:37] <dukeku> well hi
[04:37] <zenwhen_> hi
[04:37] <deang> Thanks! :D
[04:38] <s0cks> Ok. I might try ubuntu. Is there a way I can get a boxed distro?
[04:38] <Agrajag> s0cks: you can order a free CD
[04:38] <Agrajag> I think
[04:38] <stuNNed> s0cks, you can request free cd's to be shipped to you.
[04:38] <Agrajag> unless they've closed that to new orders
[04:39] <s0cks> Ok. Linky?
[04:39] <s0cks> I want it now.
[04:39] <Telep> I thought they stopped that, the website says 12 Nov
[04:39] <s0cks> :P
[04:39] <Sensebend> I still haven't recieved mine
[04:39] <Agrajag> http://www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[04:39] <Telep> i got mine today
[04:39] <Sensebend> ordered early october
[04:39] <Agrajag> s0cks: you'd get it faster by downloading though, honestly
[04:39] <Agrajag> even on 56k
[04:39] <Sensebend> yeah I want to pass them out though
[04:39] <s0cks> token?
[04:39] <Agrajag> zenwhen: did you ever get yours
[04:39] <Sensebend> to people
[04:39] <Telep> s0cks: if you're in Finland, I'll send you one of mine ;)
[04:40] <s0cks> USA
[04:40] <zenwhen> Nope
[04:40] <s0cks> What is the token?
[04:40] <zenwhen> I downloaded Ubuntu on my DIALUP connection.
[04:40] <Telep> huh
[04:40] <zenwhen> Rather that wait.
[04:40] <Agrajag> s0cks: you nee dto create an account
[04:41] <Sensebend> whoa that's patience
[04:41] <Agrajag> If you already have an account you can enter your email address and password here to update your information. If you have received a CD, you can use the "token" on your CD mailing address label to edit the same information.
[04:41] <s0cks> 10 cds coming at me.
[04:41] <s0cks> One for me, 9 for my CET class.
[04:41] <s0cks> :P
[04:41] <gloin_> linux_mafia: thanks =]
[04:42] <gloin_> for some reason the sed-info.gz was weird
[04:42] <s0cks> Ok. You converted me :P
[04:42] <bratsche> Do you guys who are using Xorg have xf86vmode.h?
[04:42] <s0cks> UPDATE: Due to overwhelming demand, the Ubuntu CD Distribution System will NOT close to new orders for Warty CDs as previously announced. Order yours now! See the CD FAQ for more info.
[04:42] <s0cks> hmm... That answered someones comment.
[04:42] <linux_mafia> gloin_, so you sorted now?
[04:43] <NeoThermic> hmm, this distro looks intresting
[04:43] <gloin_> linux_mafia: we'll see... but apt-get upgrade is now working
[04:43] <zenwhen> Whoa
[04:43] <zenwhen> it says they shipped me 10 cds
[04:43] <zenwhen> 2004-11-08 22:51:01.57  	10
[04:43] <zenwhen> but that was like ten days ago
[04:43] <zenwhen> wonder where they shipped them from?
[04:43] <linux_mafia> gloin_, the "OSS Tony Soprano" always helps his "family", heh
[04:43] <gloin_> hehe
[04:44] <s0cks> Anywhere on the eastern Seaboard of the US is fine by me.
[04:44] <s0cks> :P
[04:44] <Agrajag> hmm
[04:44] <gloin_> hey s0cks why the heck is it the anything-"board" anyhow?
[04:44] <Agrajag> maybe I should order some and throw them at people at the next lug meeting
[04:45] <s0cks> Wow... I am going to give 8 to my CET class. The other one is going into the potato cannon.
[04:45] <s0cks> :P
[04:45] <s0cks> jk
[04:45] <Sensebend> what do you guys use for OGM files in Linux?
[04:45] <Agrajag> xine and totem
[04:46] <Agrajag> totem-xine, not totem-gstreamer
[04:46] <gloin_> gmplayer =]
[04:46] <zenwhen> Im going to sell mine at a flea market YEE HAW its like WInders only better
[04:46] <Agrajag> I find gstreamer to be unbearably buggy
[04:46] <Agrajag> lmao
[04:46] <NeoThermic> hrm
[04:46] <gen> sensebend: mplayer or vlc, i use both equally pretty much...both play anything
[04:46] <Sensebend> does Ubuntu take donations through the mail?
[04:46] <s0cks> Who here custom built their kernal?
[04:47] <NeoThermic> uhm, I take it I should grab the install-i386.iso file?
[04:47] <linux_mafia> s0cks, me
[04:47] <Agrajag> NeoThermic: yes, unless you use a ppc or amd64 processor
[04:47] <gloin_> s0cks: I did nothing but custom-build my kernel for the first two years I used linux =]
[04:47] <NeoThermic> nope. the test bed will only be a P4 3GHz with HT
[04:48] <NeoThermic> hrm, about 3 hours to get
[04:49] <gen> i got it in a few minutes from college connection :)
[04:49] <s0cks> Is dual booting ubuntu easy?
[04:50] <stuNNed> is it easy to install a custom built kernel in ubuntu/debian?
[04:50] <PorscheBoy> can someone give me the link to ubuntu repositories?
[04:51] <gloin_> holy net.split, batman!  Grab your reconnect macro!
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes-ish but generally not recommended for the novice
[04:51] <gloin_> and laugh at this in the meantime: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20041114.html
[04:52] <gloin_> heh
[04:52] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, because of stupid linuxant hsf modem driver probly need to do it on laptop, oh well, will learn :)
[04:52] <gloin_> apt-get upgrade takes a while =]
[04:53] <gloin_> reckon it's worth a reboot after all this
[04:55] <Gmail> lol
[04:56] <Gmail> Windows 95/98, (n): 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprossessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
[04:57] <Agrajag> huh
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: that would be funny if I hadn't heard it before many times and if you spelt microprocessor correctly
[05:01] <linux_mafia> heh
[05:01] <kgill> can some asist me with setting up gnomemeeting?
[05:01] <kgill> I am having audio device problems
[05:01] <Gmail> its the topix for ##windows
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: tell them they're incapability to spell reflects badly upon their also bad choice of operating systems
[05:02] <seek187> yay my laptop powers off now
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> er
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> their
[05:02] <Agrajag> seek187: was it acpi?
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> not they're
[05:03] <seek187> that was running just had to add acpi=force in grub
[05:03] <Agrajag> ah
[05:08] <Sensebend> how big is a standard ubuntu install?
[05:08] <Sensebend> of warty
[05:09] <thoreauputic> 1.8 gig IIRC
[05:09] <Sensebend> hmm
[05:09] <Sensebend> that sucks
[05:09] <Gmail> UdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow
[05:10] <UdontKno1> Gmail: heh
[05:10] <Sensebend> A friend has a Compaq Armada with a 1.4GB HDD
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Sensebend: time to install Debian, I think
[05:11] <Sensebend> recommending sarge to him
[05:11] <NeoThermic> well, thats standerd, skip a few things and I'm sure it will fit
[05:11] <Invisible_Optiks> so, yeah, I grabbed what I think is warty from gnoppix's website.  So am I right from reading that there is no install script for it included in the latest version or did I totally whiff on it?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Invisible_Optiks: no hard drive install from the live CD
[05:12] <Gmail> UdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Gmail: have you actually bothered to do a /whois on that nick?
[05:13] <deang> can someone direct me to the linux n00b channel?
[05:13] <gloin_> man
[05:13] <gloin_> deang: ##linux
[05:13] <kgill> how can I change the name of my machine?
[05:13] <gloin_> my xserver is still broken =[
[05:13] <gloin_> even after upgrading to hoary
[05:13] <Invisible_Optiks> thoreauputic:  Ok, gotcha.  Is there like a one cd install cd that is just like the livecd?  Mainly because, I had Sarge on this laptop, but it got destroyed on purpose.  Now I'm looking to put a debian variant back on and was thinking that a one cd install like ubuntu would be nice
[05:14] <s0cks> Yo.  Got it.
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Gmail: - UdontKnow has quit (Nick collision from services.)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> --- UdontKno1 is now known as UdontKnow
[05:15] <skeletor> ?
[05:16] <gloin_> well
[05:16] <gloin_> he hasn't been k-lined, so I guess he promised to knock it off
[05:16] <Gmail> thoreauputic: I AM NOT STUPID <<<err caps lock
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Gmail: really?
[05:16] <skeletor> gloin_ you are a retardeds
[05:17] <s0cks> I gotta contribute cause I want a project host. So I gotta make a project. :(
[05:17] <skeletor> sf.net
[05:17] <skeletor> http://sf.net
[05:17] <gloin_> skeletor: huh?
[05:18] <s0cks> ubuntu... No hostmask.
[05:18] <eruin> apart from the fact that my language mysteriously changed from norwegian to danish after installing, I'm impressed :)
[05:18] <s0cks> Hey udontknow, how do I apply to get a official project hostmask?
[05:19] <s0cks> WOW!  Olde English < New English .:.
[05:21] <eruin> anyway, british is proper english ;>
[05:21] <gloin_> eruin: not anymore it isn't
[05:21] <gen> nooo
[05:22] <gloin_> maybe about 400 years ago it might have been
[05:22] <gloin_> but y'all bastardized it to death =P
[05:22] <s0cks> British speak is not to be known as 'ebonics'.
[05:22] <eruin> oh the irony
[05:22] <s0cks> Ebonics is now to be known as 'thug'
[05:22] <gloin_> West Coast US English is as close to Dictionary Standard as there is.
[05:22] <gloin_> s0cks: shush
[05:23] <s0cks> gloin_ : K.
[05:23] <eruin> gloin_, ever taked to a linguistics professor at oxford, have you? ;P
[05:23] <skeletor> wtf
[05:23] <gloin_> eruin: hehe, the syntax of your sentence leaves a lot to the imagination...
[05:23] <s0cks> gloin_ : Ever used knoppix by any chance?
[05:23] <gloin_> s0cks: yeah
[05:23] <skeletor> someone set you up the bomb
[05:23] <thoreauputic> heh - guys, #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[05:23] <gloin_> thoreauputic: sorry =]
[05:23] <skeletor> thoreauputic has a mangina
[05:23] <s0cks> Thoreuputic : Really hard name dude, sorry.
[05:24] <s0cks> Thats it.
[05:24] <s0cks> Skeletor is on Permignore.
[05:24] <skeletor> roflrofl
[05:24] <eruin> die, sed.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> s0cks: tab completion ;)
[05:24] <skeletor> oh no I am so sadddd :<
[05:24] <gloin_> eruin: there's a way around it
[05:24] <AwayDip> s0cks, try Gnoppix
[05:24] <AwayDip> it's an ubuntu livecd
[05:24] <eruin> shoosh, I don't want sed! :P
[05:24] <eruin> I like the grub on the livecd
[05:24] <AwayDip> :P
[05:24] <eruin> just got a pack of 10 cds in the mail today
[05:24] <eruin> ;p
[05:24] <gloin_> eruin: rm -f /usr/share/info/sed-info.gz and gunzip the sed-info-1 in its place
[05:24] <gloin_> then you can proceed as normal
[05:24] <skeletor> rm -f /
[05:24] <s0cks> I am getting a pack of 10 whenever I get them.
[05:24] <skeletor> owned
[05:25] <eruin> I miss root
[05:25] <skeletor> is it true?
[05:25] <s0cks> I miss Binaries.
[05:25] <skeletor> is it true guys?
[05:25] <gen> I miss my daddy
[05:25] <Rene_S> Woot, I found a program thats gonna help my wife break free of her windows addiction
[05:25] <s0cks> Been in Windows for a while now, because of CS. I use it for games.
[05:26] <skeletor> is it true guys?
[05:26] <gen> cs haha
[05:26] <thoreauputic> skeletor: do you have anything remotely relevant to contribute?
[05:26] <s0cks> Rene_s : Linux to Windows Emulation. She will never know the difference.
[05:26] <skeletor> That you are all bunny hoppers
[05:26] <skeletor> bam bam hoppin like bunnies
[05:26] <gloin_> s0cks: I play plenty of windows games, don't have a windows partition to be found
[05:26] <skeletor> thoreauputic: do you have anything remotely not gay?
[05:26] <skeletor> Ohmer, ofcourse not
[05:27] <s0cks> Oh yeah. Plus I kinda like the Wireless Networking for quick transfers to my sister's computer.
[05:27] <Rene_S> I got Codeweavers Crossover office, she liked that
[05:27] <eruin> gloin_, um, gunzip sed.info-1.gz, not just rename it?
[05:27] <s0cks> I need The Gimp and I am in my windows partition :(
[05:27] <gloin_> eruin: that would probably work =]
[05:27] <AwayDip> fuck
[05:27] <Agrajag> s0cks: so install it
[05:28] <s0cks> Agrajag : I am in Windows.
[05:28] <eruin> so install it
[05:28] <AwayDip> I had a problem with apt-get upgrade and sed last night and today it's still happening under hoary
[05:28] <s0cks> I have it in my other partition.
[05:28] <AwayDip> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[05:28] <seek187> They make Gimp for windows
[05:28] <s0cks> Don't wanna install it.
[05:28] <AwayDip> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[05:28] <AwayDip> dpkg: error processing sed (--configure):
[05:28] <AwayDip>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:28] <eruin> so download it
[05:28] <geppy> Ubuntu's binaries for ALSA don't seem to work.  Suggestions?
[05:28] <eruin> AwayDip, /topic
[05:29] <AwayDip> ah
[05:29] <gloin_> AwayDip: there's a solution for it =]
[05:29] <AwayDip> that's what I get from not doing a /topic before opening my hole
[05:29] <gloin_> linux_mafia is the man!
[05:29] <AwayDip> gloin how so?
[05:30] <Rene_S> What is sed ?
[05:30] <gloin_> AwayDip: look in /usr/share/info
[05:30] <Agrajag> stream editor
[05:30] <gloin_> Rene_S: Stream EDitor
[05:30] <s0cks> brb
[05:30] <Rene_S> Ah, never used it
[05:31] <Agrajag> Rene_S: no, but your OS does
[05:31] <GotD0t> anybody know of a good text to speech app?
[05:31] <Agrajag> GotD0t: festival
[05:31] <Rene_S> I see, that could suck then if its broken
[05:31] <GotD0t> agrajag: thanks
[05:32] <Gmail> you can still order cds
[05:32] <Gmail> UPDATE: Due to overwhelming demand, the Ubuntu CD Distribution System will NOT close to new orders for Warty CDs as previously announced. Order yours now! See the CD FAQ for more info.
[05:32] <s0cks> Gmail : I established that earlier.
[05:32] <s0cks> How do they fund that sort of thing. CD's aren't cheap.
[05:33] <skeletor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=20559#post20559
[05:33] <s0cks> 10 a person, consider.... 100 a month. 1000 cds a month.
[05:33] <s0cks> That takes not a short time to burn.
[05:33] <Agrajag> 100 hell
[05:33] <Rene_S> The wife is gonna so love Ubuntu and Crossover office,   I may even get some .....
[05:33] <billytwowilly> skeletor, That is awesome.
[05:34] <s0cks> I'll check out crossover office.
[05:34] <Agrajag> they probably press them, in larger amounts
[05:34] <s0cks> She is going to have to learn a bit though
[05:34] <s0cks> Not an easy transition.
[05:34] <Agrajag> it's be faster and cheaper than burning CDRs, I'd imagine
[05:34] <AwayDip> ok
[05:34] <billytwowilly> eugenics linux. Hilarious.
[05:34] <AwayDip> fixed sed for now
[05:34] <AwayDip> mv /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.old ; cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz ; apt-get upgrade
[05:34] <Agrajag> s/it's/it'd/
[05:34] <AwayDip> thanks gloin_
[05:34] <Rene_S> I did it in a weekend, for her needs I can just handle it for her
[05:35] <s0cks> Rene_S : Hunny, how on earth do I get into the start menu!?
[05:35] <eruin> arrrrrrrr
[05:36] <Rene_S> She wont need too, I am gonna customize her desktop so that isnt an issue
[05:36] <Gmail> DOWN WITH http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/petition.html
[05:36] <eruin> I think rhythmbox uses LATVIAN
[05:36] <Gmail> black people can use linux
[05:36] <gloin_> idiots
[05:36] <eruin> why does every program I start use a different language?
 Unless you want to pirate it, which is obviously bad
[05:38] <s0cks> I wish I knew what school he could go to. Print it out and stick a sign on his back.
[05:38] <geppy> BrittBS:  "Computer"  > "Take Screenshot"
[05:38] <PorscheBoy> damn...after trying out pure Debian Sarge today i found out that it doesn't have gnome 2.8 :(
[05:38] <Rene_S> I got mine off Fastrack, to test,  The newest version is pay
[05:38] <nyqo> geppy: where do you get the demo?
[05:39] <m_tthew> now (with Hoary), I have a lot of fancy video this and IEC958 that, but not functional line-in.
[05:39] <BrittBS> geppy, not on my desktop, which is newish hoary
[05:39] <geppy> nyqo:  Same place you get the pay version.  Codeweavers.com, or something like that.
[05:39] <s0cks> Petition.com auta have a use policy.
[05:39] <nyqo> geppy: thx
[05:39] <s0cks> AFK for the night.
[05:40] <Rene_S> I tested out that Cedega thing they had free for 15 days, It was nice
[05:40] <PorscheBoy> by the way, did they fix the slow Desktop refresh problem with the latest hoary?
[05:40] <m_tthew> BrittBS: I lost screenshot as well, I would assume it'll be back eventually.
[05:40] <cryptomatt> hey guys
[05:41] <cryptomatt> can anyone help me out with bluetooth issues?
[05:41] <gen> whats the problem
[05:41] <geppy> Ubuntu's binaries for ALSA don't seem to work.  Suggestions?
[05:41] <BrittBS> m_tthew, ok not just me then :) wonder if it was a design thing ... I'm sure it doesn't have a rediculous ammount of use cased for joe blow but I find it pretty handy
[05:41] <cryptomatt> when i try to attach my usb dongle to the comp
[05:42] <crimsun> geppy: eh?
[05:42] <crimsun> geppy: where/how does it fail?
[05:42] <PorscheBoy> BrittBS, r u having slow refresh problems with ur Desktop window?
[05:42] <cryptomatt> i have to execute hcid and sdpd to enable it
[05:42] <gloin_> hmm
[05:42] <geppy> crimsun:  Isn't detected when compiling things not in the repository.
[05:42] <gloin_> my xserver is >not working<
[05:43] <billytwowilly> gloin_, are you running hoary or warty?
[05:43] <cryptomatt> it is possible for me to trap the the USB connect of my dongle and write a script which will start these commands
[05:43] <crimsun> geppy: come again? Are you saying ALSA isn't detected when compiling programs that depend on ALSA?
[05:43] <cryptomatt> i meant, trapping the usb connect event
[05:43] <BrittBS> PorscheBoy, no
[05:43] <crimsun> geppy: dpkg -l libasound2-dev|grep ^ii
[05:43] <gloin_> billytwowilly: I'm on hoary now, broke it using warty
[05:43] <crimsun> (ii  libasound2-dev 1.0.7-0.1)
[05:43] <PorscheBoy> r u runnning the latest hoary?
[05:44] <billytwowilly> gloin_, I don't know then. I was going to say you probably borked it updating to xorg..
[05:44] <geppy> crimsun:  "No packages found matching libasound2-dev."  what did the "^ii" do with grep?
[05:44] <gloin_> "Symbol __glXgetActtiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"
[05:44] <BrittBS> cryptomatt, i'm not sure if there's an easy way, but if you really want to dive in you could write something that catches the dbus signal
[05:44] <m_tthew> BrittBS : did you lose your ability to listen to your line in, by any chance?
[05:44] <gloin_> billytwowilly: actually, I broke it doing a dpkg-configure right after I upgraded my nvidia driver
[05:44] <billytwowilly> gloin_, I dunno.. sorry.
[05:45] <crimsun> geppy: that's why it's "not detected". You didn't install the header files and static libs.
[05:45] <cryptomatt> brittbs, and how do i catch the dbus signal..
[05:45] <geppy> crimsun:  Right, thanks. =D I've now installed that, and it's working.  Just out of curiousity, though, what did that "^ii"  do with the grep command?
[05:45] <BeanDip> BrittBS, I'm running a very up to date hoary, no gnome-panel-screenshot capplet here either, pressing the printscreen key gives an error popup that the executeable file is missing
[05:45] <crimsun> geppy: search for leading 'ii' string
[05:46] <BeanDip> you might want to submit a bug report
[05:46] <geppy> crimsun:  Thanks.  :)
[05:46] <crimsun> geppy: 'ii' of course indicating that the package is installed
[05:46] <thoreauputic> gloin_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    maybe?
[05:46] <gloin_> good idea..
[05:46] <geppy> crimsun:  Right.  =)
[05:48] <gloin_> hmm
[05:48] <gloin_> I really borked it
[05:49] <gloin_> let's see what happens...
[05:49] <s0cks> Back
[05:49] <s0cks> Staying till midnight
[05:50] <gloin_> hmm
[05:50] <gloin_> at bootup
[05:50] <eruin> howl
[05:50] <eruin> mmm
[05:50] <eruin> hotplug?
[05:50] <gloin_> "Creating NVIDIA TLS Links" what's that?
[05:50] <cryptomatt> on another note.. i seem to have this problem with my monitor display.. its a samsung 55v monitor set at 1024 res.. when i boot into ubuntu xserver doesnt start up.. i get these errors in the xfree86 log.. drmOpenDevice minor ISO... open result is -1
[05:51] <cryptomatt> however when i start the machine using another distro say yoper and i reboot to ubuntu, this problem does not occur.. this had me stumped for quite some time now.. any help will be appreciated
[05:51] <geppy> Why does Ubuntu default to OSS?
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: buggy alsa stuff
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> it was found that some stuff had buggy alsa output drivers
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> so it defaulted to using oss compat mode in alsa
[05:52] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Could they not work to fix the bugs, or just let things default to oss compat in alsa?
[05:53] <Gwildor> does this sed problem mean that i can install NO packeges with apt?
[05:53] <gloin_> odd
[05:53] <gloin_> "NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!"
[05:53] <gloin_> heh
[05:53] <geppy> gloin_:  Have you tried the BinaryDriverHOWTO?
[05:53] <crimsun> geppy: err? I thought it defaults to esd now.
[05:54] <eruin> esd uses oss
[05:54] <geppy> gloin_: I've seen that error, before.  I think that you fix it by running /'nvidia-glx-config enable'
[05:54] <crimsun> oh, they set esd to use oss? meh.
[05:54] <gloin_> geppy: yeah, but I probably borked all that by upgrading the drivers myself
[05:54] <geppy> gloin_:  heh... that sucks.  =P
[05:54] <gloin_> yeah
[05:54] <gloin_> well
[05:54] <gloin_> the 6111 drivers (which currently are only ones supported) are SLOW compared to current
[05:55] <geppy> gloin_:  Works fine for me.  =)
[05:55] <geppy> What kind of games are you running?
[05:55] <eruin> theyre damn slow geppy
[05:55] <s0cks> I dunno.... Nvidia.... Integ Graphics....    :P
[06:00] <s0cks> ##ubuntu!!! Noone thaught about that one!
[06:00] <gloin_> man
[06:00] <gloin_> whatever I broke in xfree is also broken in xorg
[06:00] <geppy> Anyone know a good place to find information on music production software for GNU/Linux?
[06:01] <s0cks> Is DBpowerAMP supported?
[06:01] <crimsun> geppy: e.g., ardour, audacity, and so forth?
[06:01] <stuNNed> geppy, linux-sound.org
[06:01] <geppy> thanks
[06:02] <stuNNed> geppy, though it may be antiquated...
[06:02] <crimsun> http://www.alsa-project.org/links.php  :)
[06:02] <geppy> Thanks.  =D
[06:02] <gloin_> well, time for reinstall =[
[06:03] <geppy> heh
[06:03] <geppy> good luck
[06:03] <gloin_> no big
[06:03] <gloin_> this time I'm going to do the new nvidia driver WITHOUT trying a dpkg-reconfigure after
[06:03] <gloin_> and that, right after the install
[06:05] <FTTP> i tried debian sarge.......... went poof on me
[06:05] <FTTP> alot of nice things about it tho
[06:06] <FTTP> cant wait for hoardy based on the final sarge :)
[06:06] <FTTP> err hoary
[06:06] <gen> whorey
[06:06] <gloin_> hehe
[06:06] <FTTP> i came up with a business plan for fiber to the home/apartment
[06:06] <FTTP> not me paying the $1200 per home tho
[06:06] <FTTP> :P
[06:07] <gen> heh
[06:07] <FTTP> I figure if i can get the cost split over 10 ways
[06:07] <FTTP> and use economy of scale and high penetration rates
[06:07] <gloin_> heh
[06:07] <gloin_> that's what I'm on here
[06:07] <FTTP> fiber?
[06:07] <gloin_> city utils department put in a bunch of fiber loops
[06:07] <gloin_> then they split it out to DOCSYS cable
[06:07] <FTTP> oh
[06:08] <gloin_> about 15 houses per loop
[06:08] <FTTP> its docsis
[06:08] <gloin_> yeah
[06:08] <gloin_> damn docsys
[06:08] <mark1> quick question about removing a file
[06:08] <gloin_> and 128-k upload cap =[
[06:08] <FTTP> gloin_  Im on docsis too with fiber to my apartment building
[06:08] <gloin_> mark1: shoot
[06:08] <mark1> i have a file called:  udo apt-get --purge remove j....
[06:08] <FTTP> we have a node in the basement
[06:08] <gloin_> FTTP: just swipe a line off that =]
[06:08] <FTTP> gloin:  What city are u in ?
[06:08] <mark1> i've tried to move it to a directory and then delete the directory but that doesn't woork
[06:08] <geppy> Is there a GPL application for GNU/Linux that is comparable to Sony's ACID?
[06:08] <gloin_> FTTP: no city here lol
[06:08] <gloin_> southern oregon
[06:09] <mark1> rm -- etc and it doesn't work, either
[06:09] <FTTP> gloin:  U said city dept
[06:09] <gen> mark1: what haha
[06:09] <FTTP> city utils department
[06:09] <mark1> yeah, it was a big mistake
[06:09] <mark1> long story
[06:09] <FTTP> if your not in a city u dont have a city utils dept :)
[06:09] <gloin_> lol
[06:09] <mark1> i just can't seem to make it disappear
[06:09] <gloin_> FTTP: you have a pmsg
[06:09] <mark1> any ideas?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> mark1: that makes no sense at all, sorry :)
[06:09] <mark1> yeah, well it's a file that i accidentally made
[06:09] <gen> you said a file is a list of commands mark1
[06:09] <gen> what?
[06:09] <mark1> by doing a copy and paste
[06:09] <mark1> yeah, i know
[06:10] <mark1> the problem is the "--purge"
[06:10] <mark1> it doesn't like that part of the file name
[06:10] <mark1> and as i said i can't just move it to another directory
[06:10] <mark1> gloin: any suggestions?
[06:11] <gloin_> mark1: I'm lost
[06:11] <thoreauputic> mark1: try escaping the spaces and -- with \
[06:11] <mark1> lost as in you have no clue how to remove the file?
[06:11] <gen> lost as in your questions are hard to understand
[06:11] <mark1> ok i'll try that thoreauputic, thanks
[06:12] <Agrajag> rm udo[TAB]
[06:12] <Agrajag> [TAB} meaning hit tab to complete the file name
[06:12] <mark1> oh yeah
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: -- are reserved characters
[06:12] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: like hell they are
[06:12] <mark1> Agrajag: thanks so much
[06:12] <mark1> i'm still trying to learn linux
[06:12] <Agrajag> and even if they were tab completion would jujst escape them
[06:12] <mark1> and forget the basic stuff
[06:13] <mark1> basically i have a full time job and need something to keep my brain occupied
[06:13] <stuNNed> how do i take screenshot again?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: well, they usually denote a flag to a command so they cause problems
[06:13] <geppy> stuNNed:  "Computer" > "Take Screenshot"
[06:13] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: no
[06:13] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: name a file -
[06:13] <GotD0t> ok... im trying to edit my crontab and it wont let me use an app other than vim to edit it
[06:13] <GotD0t> and i dont know how to use vim
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: OK I bow to your greater knowledge :)
[06:13] <Agrajag> then delete it
[06:13] <Agrajag> ok then
[06:14] <Agrajag> hey, you gotta learn somehting new every day
[06:14] <GotD0t> so how can i edit my crontab using a different editor (pref nano)
[06:14] <stuNNed> geppy, not there, maybe because i installed totem-xine and that removed 'Take Screenshot' ? how odd...
[06:14] <mark1> Agrajag:  exactly, i owe you one .... thanks again.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: doesn't a leading - in a file name cause problems though?
[06:15] <Agrajag> GotD0t: export EDITOR=nano
[06:15] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: no
[06:15] <stuNNed> what is command line to take screenshot?
[06:15] <GotD0t> thanks agrajag... is that permanent?
[06:16] <Agrajag> not unless the filename is same as some program's argument, that might be a problem
[06:16] <Agrajag> GotD0t: no
[06:16] <gen> stunned, why not just use gimp
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: $ touch -file
[06:16] <Agrajag> but you can edit .bashrc and add that line to it
[06:16] <thoreauputic> touch: invalid option -- i
[06:16] <GotD0t> Agrajag: me?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: what causes that then?
[06:16] <Agrajag> GotD0t: yes
[06:16] <GotD0t> agrajag: thanks a bunch
[06:16] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: that's touch's problem
[06:16] <Agrajag> different programs will act differently
[06:17] <BrittBS> BeanDip, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3556
[06:17] <Agrajag> I wouldn't name files with a leading - if I could help it, but - isn't reserved
[06:17] <mark1> exit
[06:17] <mark1> oops
[06:18] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: suppose you do  rm -file  Wouldn't that produce an error? rm would think it was a set of switches and not a file?
[06:18] <crimsun> that's why you use rm -- -file
[06:19] <Agrajag> ah yes
[06:19] <Agrajag> forgot about the --
[06:19] <thoreauputic> crimsun: ah, OK
[06:19] <thoreauputic> still, I'd avoid the leading  - I think :)
[06:23] <gloin_> hey
[06:24] <gloin_> anyone have any luck with TV tuner cards in ubuntu?
[06:24] <gloin_> since I've gotta reinstall, I might as well throw this old thing in there =]
[06:24] <Agrajag> my hauppauge card Just Works :)
[06:24] <gloin_> nice
[06:25] <Agrajag> apt-get install tvtime
[06:25] <gloin_> okay
[06:25] <gloin_> amazing how Mac-like linux is rapidly becoming in terms of raw usability =]
[06:26] <Agrajag> it's also a lot cheaper
[06:26] <gloin_> heheh so true
[06:26] <Agrajag> though OS X is getting a lot more OSS Stuff now
[06:26] <gloin_> I >wish< I could buy a dual G5 one part at a time
[06:26] <gloin_> but I can't
[06:26] <gloin_> so this month I buy one of the two amd/64 cpus
[06:26] <gloin_> and that makes two
[06:26] <gloin_> and next month I buy the mobo
[06:26] <gloin_> etc
[06:27] <gloin_> by the way
[06:27] <gloin_> how amd/64-friendly is deb/ubuntu?
[06:28] <oddabe19> anyone wanna buy me a G5?
[06:30] <GammaRay> I would not buy a 64 bit cpu unless I actually needed it..
[06:30] <gloin_> hehe
[06:30] <BoonShanka> ;p
[06:30] <gloin_> well
[06:30] <BoonShanka> that's alotta peeps
[06:30] <gloin_> BoonShanka: welcome =]
[06:30] <BoonShanka> shot man ;)
[06:31] <GammaRay> it's just a pain in the butt and for what? 8 bit pointers?
[06:31] <gloin_> GammaRay: I do enough compiling that it'd be nice to have all that address space
[06:31] <GammaRay> err byte I mean
[06:31] <gloin_> lol
[06:31] <gloin_> but anyhow
[06:31] <gloin_> that doesn't do much to answer my question
[06:32] <GammaRay> there is an x86-64 version...
[06:32] <gloin_> is it boogey?
[06:32] <Gmail> http://www.watleyreview.com/2004/111604-3.html ROTFL
[06:33] <Gmail> oooops wrong channel but it still funny (its about 40% of aol user don't have a computer)
[06:33] <GammaRay> huh?
[06:34] <gloin_> rofl
[06:34] <gloin_> Gmail: I've gotta save that for an April 1 slashdot submission
[06:34] <gloin_> "Well, these documents do explain one thing," said Kowshik. "I always wondered how AOL managed to maintain a customer satisfaction rate of 40%. Now we know exactly which 40% of their client base that is."
 I am starting to believe things like that
[06:36] <BoonShanka> ye but then it'll prolly help cap me ;p
[06:38] <gloin_> ?
[06:38] <BoonShanka> 3 gig cap ;p
[06:38] <gloin_> o
[06:38] <BoonShanka> hehe I don't have a T1 or better !
[06:38] <BoonShanka> but I've sent my wish list to Santa
[06:39] <GammaRay> BoonShanka: did you sit on Santa's lap?
[06:39] <BoonShanka> naaw bought santa a stripper
[06:40] <BoonShanka> one of them chiep strippers ;p hopefully Santa has bad eye sight
[06:41] <BoonShanka> hey they really send you free cds!?
[06:42] <GammaRay> santa does not appreacate hermaphrodites
[06:42] <BoonShanka> roflmao @ Gammaray
[06:43] <bborkk> Anyone here hang out on #python?  That list seems dead, even with 109 people.  Is #ubuntu active only because it's new?
[06:43] <crimsun> ubuntu is active because it's a darned good distro.
[06:43] <BoonShanka> chicks dig it
[06:43] <BrittBS> bborkk, someone did the chatty raindance
[06:44] <BrittBS> bborkk, actually, #python is pretty active most of the time
[06:44] <bborkk> Yeah, and python is a good language.  I guess they need to dance more.
[06:50] <FTTP> are any of the hoardy isos working?
[06:50] <FTTP> i tried the development snapshot, had major problems
[06:51] <FTTP> ruffian:  that isnt the solaris 10
[06:51] <FTTP> its not available for download yet
[06:51] <FTTP> your downloading a preview release :P
[06:51] <Ruffian|Q|> FTTPS: its Solaris 10 express.  and its free
[06:52] <FTTP> ruffian:  solaris express is a preview release
[06:52] <Ruffian|Q|> I know
[06:52] <FTTP> solaris 10 wont be out till jan 2005
[06:52] <Ruffian|Q|> its still free and its solaris therefore its worth the download
[06:52] <FTTP> i will download it then tho :)
[06:52] <Ruffian|Q|> www.solaris.com
[06:53] <smo> Is it possible to stop discover/hotplug loading alsa modules?
[06:53] <FTTP> this is ubuntu not solaris
[06:53] <FTTP> ruffian join #solaris
[06:53] <FTTP> we like ubuntu here
[06:54] <Ruffian|Q|> I love Ubuntu
[06:54] <Ruffian|Q|> it was making me agry today though
[07:05] <potle> How is Sodipodi?
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> not sure
[07:05] <potle> Guess I'll just install it and find out :)
[07:06] <foolswisdom> hi , i want to become ubuntan
[07:07] <foolswisdom> i hv a new box , freshly assembled & a live CD ...
[07:07] <foolswisdom> I hv heard a nasty rumor that I cannot install Ubuntu from the live cd .
[07:07] <foolswisdom> can this be true ?
[07:09] <seek187> foolswisdom, no you can't
[07:09] <BoonShanka> >.<
[07:10] <foolswisdom> my life is over ...
[07:10] <BoonShanka> roflmao
[07:10] <compdude> i want to decrypt a line like this: 5hAL%2FoRLFrPaFVpCpDDV7TpN0fmUyua95UT%2BVhMdE4%3D which encryption is it? and what is it called? SHA? How would I decrypt it, is it even possible? i'm trying to understand this.. if you understand anything please tell :)
[07:11] <foolswisdom> and there is no network install ? no small install CD ?
[07:12] <choulth> good morning
[07:12] <seek187> foolswisdom, yes you can network install
[07:12] <foolswisdom> seek187, I'm listening
[07:13] <seek187> It's in the wiki that tells how to do it..
[07:13] <foolswisdom> seek187, thanks , searching ...
[07:14] <foolswisdom> found something ... reading ....
[07:15] <seek187> foolswisdom, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/images/netboot/
[07:15] <seek187> there is a image there
[07:15] <foolswisdom> it looks like I may be good just from the live cd http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[07:15] <foolswisdom> it was linked from the netinstall
[07:16] <seek187> maybe so not sure.
[07:16] <seek187> I know there is a mini.iso ^ up there
[07:16] <foolswisdom> BoonShanka, u r a tricky fox u
[07:17] <BoonShanka> hey?
[07:17] <BoonShanka> hoekom??
[07:17] <skar_away> hi, how do i upgrade all packages on my system
[07:17] <foolswisdom> BoonShanka, it looks like i can get this installed from the Live CD
[07:17] <skar_away> will apt-get upgrade do the job?
[07:17] <seek187> skar_away, apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:17] <skar_away> ok
[07:18] <BoonShanka> kewl man I hope so, then I can too! and leave ev0l MS
[07:18] <skar_away> thanx
[07:18] <BoonShanka> MS-Ev0l
[07:19] <Ruffian|Q|> Time Warner Pictures and AOL own the Birthday song: Anyone who uses it in a movie has to pay $10,000!
[07:19] <seek187> eek
[07:19] <BoonShanka> wahahahaha
[07:20] <BoonShanka> smart
[07:20] <BoonShanka> and ev0l
[07:21] <foolswisdom> but true evil genius run Linux http://www.opseu540.info/mpg/switchlinux3.swf
[07:23] <BoonShanka> hey, does linux have an irc chat proggie?
[07:23] <BoonShanka> that ubuntu thingy
[07:23] <Agrajag> of course
[07:23] <BoonShanka> kewl beans ;p
[07:23] <Agrajag> irssi and xchat are both installed by default
[07:24] <BoonShanka> wooo, as soon as I get it I'm gonna install it on my pc at home ;p
[07:24] <Amaranth> anyone else having problems with hoary and sed?
[07:24] <BoonShanka> and if it's not too different from MS ev0l I can use it at my internet cafe ;p
[07:24] <Agrajag> read the topic.
[07:25] <foolswisdom> Amaranth, there is a news item on main ubuntulinux page
[07:26] <BoonShanka> splittage
[07:26] <BoonShanka> booi
[07:26] <BoonShanka> I can see clearly now, the rain is gone ;p
[07:26] <Ruffian|Q|> damn netsplit
[07:26] <choulth> mutants :)
[07:27] <BoonShanka> hehe
[07:27] <BoonShanka> anyone gonna get the new avengers #1 ?
[07:27] <gloin_> rofl
[07:27] <gloin_> that's netsplit v_2
[07:27] <gloin_> for tonight
[07:28] <BoonShanka> this month iz kewl, New Avengers #1 and Captain America #1 this month woooo
[07:28] <BoonShanka> gonna go get my captain america today
[07:28] <choulth> mmh, should apt-get remove netsplit work ? ;)
[07:28] <smo> --purge
[07:28] <gloin_> BoonShanka: you forget The Incredibles #1
[07:29] <gloin_> smo: no, that was apt-get --purge half-the-users
[07:29] <choulth> right smo
[07:29] <BoonShanka> hey hey
[07:29] <BoonShanka> ;p~
[07:30] <BoonShanka> I'm looking forward to that one from Dark Horse, Damn Nation in Feb
[07:30] <gloin_> hrm
[07:30] <gloin_> I've got a bit of a mystery on my hands
[07:31] <smo> well, I solved my sound problems.  $40 later and a real sound card's in the mail
[07:31] <BoonShanka> lol
[07:32] <BoonShanka> I wonder if there's a genuis out there somewhere who's working on a driver emulator ;p
[07:32] <gloin_> lol
[07:32] <gloin_> man
[07:32] <Agrajag> well
[07:33] <Agrajag> there are some
[07:33] <gloin_> this this is OLD SCHOOL
[07:33] <gloin_> made in 95 or 96
[07:33] <Agrajag> linuxant for wireless nics
[07:33] <Agrajag> the captive-ntfs for ntfs
[07:33] <gloin_> there are drivers for win95r2
[07:33] <smo> I think it'd be more productive, and fun to boot, to simply visit certain hardware mftrs with large blunt objects
[07:33] <Agrajag> possibly others
[07:33] <gloin_> and that's it
[07:33] <BoonShanka> hehehe
[07:34] <BoonShanka> yep see, this is how I tell I'm the mose stupid person in the chan
[07:34] <gloin_> ooh, it was OEMed by Hauppage
[07:34] <gloin_> lol
[07:34] <BoonShanka> &most
[07:34] <gloin_> probably save myself a lot of grief by spending 20 bucks on a ati-tv card
[07:35] <Ruffian|Q|> IF I use Debian, can I use Ubuntu repositories?'
[07:35] <Amaranth> You can try. :)
[07:35] <Ruffian|Q|> :-)
[07:35] <gloin_> heh
[07:35] <gloin_> hey
[07:35] <gloin_> a repository's a repository, right?
[07:35] <Amaranth> Not always.
[07:35] <gloin_> lol
[07:36] <gloin_> <--joke!
[07:36] <Amaranth> Different dependecies and different version numbers.
[07:36] <Amaranth> oh, too tired for jokes :P
[07:36] <Amaranth> yeah, night all
[07:36] <gloin_> ] nn
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: so basically the answer seems to be "If you enjoy fixing b0rked systems, go ahead" ;-)
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> borked?
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> your crazy
[07:38] <choulth> Ruffian|Q|, why not making things easier and install Ubuntu?
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> I do use Ubuntu
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> on  my main system
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> it was just a question
[07:38] <choulth> Ohmer, kewl :)
[07:39] <choulth> aok
[07:39] <BoonShanka> gloin_ : You know who's that new ninja guy in the new avengers ???
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: I was just joking that mixing Debian with Ubuntu packages might be, shall we say, courageous
[07:39] <gloin_> which new what huh BoonShanka ?
[07:40] <BoonShanka> the New Avengers #1
[07:40] <BoonShanka> oh poo
[07:40] <Sensebend> I only follow manga
[07:40] <Ruffian|Q|> thoreauputic: i just did, and it works!
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: well, jolly good. Stop while you're ahead ;)
[07:41] <Sensebend> I use some debian repositories just fine
[07:41] <Ruffian|Q|> thoreauputic, it works fine, im doing it on my test box, so I dont care: and its working
[07:41] <lil_anthony> question: what is a simple ftp server for ubuntu? i just want something i can connect to people can write to but can't delete and i can change dirs and all something  pretty basic
[07:41] <Cube-ness> hmm.. what might be causing my computer to slow to a crawl when i try to play a dvd?
[07:41] <gloin_> ahh
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: as I said, jolly good old chap !
[07:42] <Agrajag> Cube-ness: are you using DMA on your DVD drive?
[07:42] <Agrajag> hdparm /dev/dvd
[07:42] <gloin_> nothing like visiting a poorly-tranlated hardware vendor site, based on a slow link in Taiwan, with LOTS AND LOTS OF %Bflash!
[07:42] <Sensebend> enable bma with hdparm
[07:42] <Agrajag> check that using_dma is set to 1
[07:42] <gloin_> I love flash websites
[07:42] <Sensebend> I hate flash websites
[07:42] <gloin_> lol
[07:43] <Sensebend> pain when you use lynx once and a while
[07:43] <GammaRay> I ignore flash websites
[07:43] <Sensebend> lol
[07:43] <Sensebend> well I also have to work in flash right now :S
[07:43] <Sensebend> for design class
[07:43] <Sensebend> :(
[07:43] <thoreauputic> *advertisers
[07:43] <Sensebend> that could be half my hatred of it
[07:43] <GammaRay> Sensebend: exercise the evil!
[07:44] <gloin_> although it's always fun to see a little happy face following your mouse that trails the text "For fastest drivering downloads!  Click the link!"
[07:44] <bborkk> or simply exorcise it
[07:44] <Agrajag> excersize or exorcise?
[07:44] <Agrajag> beaten
[07:44] <bborkk> ecksersize?
[07:44] <GammaRay> yea.. that's it
[07:44] <thoreauputic> eggsersighs
[07:44] <bborkk> there's a thigh joke coming up.  i can feel it.
[07:45] <GammaRay> knock knock
[07:45] <bborkk> who?!
[07:46] <gloin_> seriously, is there any justification for not hiring native-language proofreaders in ANY language which you plan to have a website in?
[07:46] <bborkk> They're expensive.
[07:46] <Skif_> not knowing any you know you can rely on?
[07:46] <gloin_> I'm also thinking of the "user manual" that came with my Samsung cable modem
[07:46] <gloin_> hrm
[07:46] <gloin_> drivering downloads
[07:46] <bborkk> Chopstick wrappers are the best.
[07:47] <thoreauputic> gloin_: when you don't want people to find out about your "trade secrets" <g>
[07:47] <bborkk> No, you can't.  I tried.
[07:47] <gloin_> bborkk: ?
[07:48] <bborkk> gloin_: Lived there for a while.  I'm not rich.  Q.E.D.
[07:48] <gloin_> heh
[07:48] <thoreauputic> gloin_: you could suggest the strategy to MS, for example: all their documents could be run through babelfish a couple of times...
[07:48] <gloin_> bborkk: not neccessarily - after all, you said nothing about having tried to make it as a native-language editor
[07:49] <bborkk> gloin_: Okay, it wasn't my full time occupation, but I did actually try it out.  It was sketchy enough to be fun, but not much money in it.
[07:49] <Agrajag> gloin_: ok, now how about tvtime?
[07:49] <gloin_> Agrajag: what is tvtime based upon?
[07:49] <Agrajag> if you want it to look decent, and you have a fast enough computer, tvtime's better
[07:50] <Agrajag> based upon?
[07:50] <gloin_> =]
[07:50] <gloin_> well
[07:50] <gloin_> is it another xine/mplayer/all/same/codecs kind of thing, or is it completely separate from xawtv?
[07:50] <Agrajag> it's a TV viewer with a good deinterlacer
[07:50] <Agrajag> codecs?
[07:50] <Agrajag> it's just a tv viewer
[07:50] <Agrajag> has nothing to do with xawtv that I know of
[07:51] <gloin_> my understanding is that xawtv is a lot more than just a tv viewer
[07:54] <foolswisdom> u r correct , it is a lot more
[08:03] <mike_> hi
[08:17] <discord> i cannot find the aplications i added to ubuntu added to the gnome panel thingy does it not add things to the panel like debian
[08:17] <gloin_> looks like a new sed is up
[08:17] <discord> ?
[08:17] <gloin_> discord: dunno... am KDE user
[08:18] <gloin_> hehe
[08:18] <gloin_> well
[08:18] <gloin_> the sed that was in hoary earlier tonight was broken, causing upgrade to fail
[08:19] <gloin_> it appears that another version or two has been released since then, so I'll chance it, knowing also how to fix it if it's broken
[08:20] <discord> what is up with awk and sed anyways
[08:20] <discord> what do they do
[08:20] <discord> gloin_
[08:20] <UbuntuNewbie> Hi channel
[08:21] <gloin_> hi UbuntuNewbie
[08:21] <discord> hey
[08:21] <gloin_> discord: simply put, they manipulate textfiles
[08:21] <discord> need some help
[08:21] <Agrajag> discord: not to sound like an ass, but trfm and find out
[08:21] <Agrajag> err
[08:21] <Agrajag> rtfm
[08:21] <gloin_> lol
[08:21] <discord> hah
[08:21] <gloin_> Agrajag: I think it's time for bed when you can't even RTFM right
[08:21] <gloin_> =P
[08:22] <Agrajag> awk stands for Aho, Weinberger, Kernighan, they're the guys that designed it
[08:22] <Agrajag> hey it's not even midnight
[08:22] <discord> someone was telling me they like the ubuntu community better than the debian one cause they dont always tell you rtfm
[08:22] <Agrajag> well not always
[08:22] <gloin_> yeah Agrajag
[08:22] <gloin_> see?
[08:22] <gloin_> now you've gone and spoiled it
[08:22] <gloin_> =P
[08:23] <UbuntuNewbie> Has anyone here successfully set up a Palm device under ubuntu? I've got what I think are some USB problems ...
[08:23] <Agrajag> but when you're asking what a command does, the manual can tell you a lot more than we can
[08:23] <Agrajag> and in more detail
[08:23] <linux_mafia> http://internet.ls-la.net/man-pages/rtfm-2.html
[08:23] <BoonShanka> hehe
[08:23] <gloin_> if I wanted KDE 1.x and the 2.2 kernel, I'd install debian
[08:23] <gloin_> but I don't
[08:24] <Agrajag> I installed sarge, it had kernel 2.6 and gnome 2.6
[08:24] <Agrajag> then my laptop died, and now ubuntu's on the new one
[08:24] <gloin_> >gnome< and 2.6 even
[08:25] <Agrajag> then why are you using a gnome-based distro, if you don't mind my asking?
[08:25] <gloin_> Agrajag: two reasons: first I like it, and second, KDE is well-supported
[08:25] <gloin_> I guess three reasons
[08:26] <gloin_> third, most of the KDE distros end in either LLC, SA, or Inc.
[08:26] <gloin_> I came to ubuntu from SuSE
[08:26] <Agrajag> You mean Like Canonical, Inc?
[08:26] <Agrajag> The company that makes Ubuntu?
[08:26] <gloin_> which is a helluva lot better than redhat
[08:26] <gloin_> Agrajag: come on, you're spoiling my rant
[08:26] <Agrajag> yes, it's fun
[08:26] <gloin_> =P
[08:27] <gloin_> seriously
[08:27] <Agrajag> oh I'm sorry, Canonical, Ltd.
[08:27] <discord> gloin_ why do you dislike g_nome so much?
[08:27] <gloin_> ubuntu is a very clean, quick, nice distro, with a very active user community, philosophically more in line with where I'm at than most, and it's highly flexible and VERY fast
[08:27] <gloin_> discord: gnome has gone backwards in terms of UI design
[08:28] <discord> debian is pretty nice
[08:28] <gloin_> let's start with so-called "dimensional browsing"
[08:28] <discord> hmm i think kde is kinda ugly
[08:28] <Agrajag> spatial
[08:28] <Skif_> I like it.
[08:28] <discord> maybe i was just using keramik
[08:28] <gloin_> AKA: win95-style or Mac OS 7.x style "Open each folder in a new window until your desktop is buried under crap"
[08:28] <Agrajag> you can make it a browser instead of spatial with a checkbox
[08:28] <gloin_> also
[08:29] <gloin_> yeah Agrajag but how lame is that?
[08:29] <Skif_> or maybe "when you open a window, it stays where you left it"
[08:29] <Agrajag> gloin_: uh
[08:29] <Agrajag> what?
[08:29] <Skif_> *shrug* I liked it in mac os 6-9
[08:29] <discord> ao
[08:29] <discord> ao
[08:29] <discord> oops
[08:29] <Agrajag> clicking a checkbox is lame?
[08:29] <Skif_> kinda bugged me they dropped it for os x
[08:29] <gloin_> Skif_ I wouldn't mind leaving a window where I left it - but it's the >amount< of windows that gets opened
[08:29] <Skif_> gloin_: control-click then (I think)
[08:29] <Agrajag> hold shift when you open a folder
[08:29] <Agrajag> shift
[08:29] <discord> gloin:how is kde different than that
[08:29] <Skif_> Shift, that's it.
[08:29] <gloin_> Skif_ but they replaced it with Column view, which is far superior to anything else I
[08:29] <gloin_> I've seen
[08:30] <Skif_> gloin_: actually it's worse, because it doesn't give you a full picture of the path
[08:30] <Skif_> you just have a slice
[08:30] <discord> has anyone tried any of those expose clones?
[08:30] <Skif_> anyway, it honestly doesn't bother me, because I hate file managers of all kinds
[08:31] <gloin_> Skif_: I tend to agree with you there - I'd love to see a filepath bar above the column view
[08:31] <gloin_> well, it looks like someone fixed the broken sed package in hoary
[08:31] <UbuntuNewbie> A Filepath bar would be VERY helpful
[08:31] <gloin_> I'm upgrading without doing anything fancy and it's working fine
[08:31] <linux_mafia> discord, yep, im using skippy, couldnt get expocity going right
[08:32] <gloin_> overall, gnome looks and feels a lot more dated to me than KDE
[08:32] <discord> do you like it and are you using it in kde or gnome?
[08:32] <discord> linux_mafia
[08:32] <gloin_> if you have halfway decent hardware, KDE runs snappy, and it feels smoother and less like bubble-gum to me
[08:32] <linux_mafia> discord, yes its good, gnome of course
[08:32] <discord> i dunno i like the simple looks

[08:32] <discord> of gnome
[08:32] <gloin_> anyhow
[08:33] <discord> i remember when i had kde
[08:33] <gloin_> does gnome have anything remotely like the KDE kiosk API?
[08:33] <discord> on my poor mans lcd
[08:33] <discord> with 1024x768
[08:33] <discord> and that kpanel or whatever
[08:33] <discord> took up half the screen
[08:33] <gloin_> lol
[08:33] <gloin_> nice work by the distro then
[08:33] <gloin_> it should be tiny
[08:33] <thoreauputic> discord: that's easy to get rid of
[08:33] <gloin_> just like the menubar
[08:33] <discord> slackware 8 9 10
[08:33] <gloin_> right-click on it if you have that happen again
[08:34] <thoreauputic> discord: and you can use autohide
[08:34] <gloin_> that's all it takes to change ANYTHING in KDE
[08:34] <gloin_> right-click
[08:34] <gloin_> do0ne
[08:34] <discord> keramik default
[08:34] <gloin_> done*
[08:34] <discord> hmm
[08:34] <discord> yeah i dunno
[08:34] <discord> its cool that they are interoperable
[08:35] <gloin_> true that
[08:35] <gloin_> so
[08:35] <Chibi> Hey, quick question that I'm not in the mood to investigate. Do the Ubuntu kernels have Framebuffer support compiled in? o_O
[08:35] <gloin_> is there anything like the Kiosk API for gnome?  this is a serious question, as I depend heavily upon that feature at work
[08:35] <discord> can you add a little bar on the big bar (panel?) across the bottom to run programs from?
[08:36] <gloin_> discord: in kde?
[08:36] <gloin_> lol
[08:36] <discord> yeah
[08:36] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: ask your question, silly =]
[08:36] <gloin_> discord: yeah
[08:36] <thoreauputic> UbuntuNewbie: heh
[08:36] <Chibi> gloin_ - XFCE4.2 has some kiosk features.
[08:36] <gloin_> discord: right-click there =]
[08:36] <discord> i dont think i know enough about either to pass judgment on kde or gnome
[08:36] <gloin_> Chibi: people still devloping on XVCE?
[08:37] <gloin_> XFCE*
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> Yeh, it's just that I can't seem to get my Palm device set up.  Why would olivier drop such a great project?
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> Um, it's a STUPID mouse trick ...
[08:37] <Chibi> :P
[08:37] <gloin_> but do you have jpilot on there?
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> The mouse just hangs.