[00:31] <nigelb> yay insomnia
[00:41] <JFo> :-(
[00:42] <JFo> I feel your pain nigelb
[00:42] <JFo> hope you get rest soon
[00:42] <nigelb> JFo: thanks.  I knew you'd understand :)
[00:42]  * nigelb is not looking forward to work today :/
[00:42] <JFo> I can imagine
[00:43] <nigelb> I wonder if insomnia is a possible reason to fill up in a leave form :/
[00:44] <JFo> depends on the employer :-(
[00:45] <nigelb> paultag: it looks lovely
[01:01] <nigelb> kim0: applying for membership? :)
[01:01] <kim0> nigelb: yep :)
[01:01] <kim0> wish me luck
[01:01] <nigelb> \o/
[01:08] <nigelb> whoa, I din't know abut your fedora experience :D
[01:09] <akgraner> go kim0 !
[01:18] <paultag> nigelb, akgraner kim0 has everyone cheered already?
[01:19] <nigelb> paultag: feel free to cheer more
[01:19] <nigelb> congrats kim0 :)
[01:19] <nigelb> (not yet, but we know you're there :) )
[01:20] <kim0> fingers crossed
[01:20] <nigelb> where's lyz
[01:22] <kim0> nigelb: thanks man
[01:22] <nigelb> kim0: \o/
[01:22]  * nigelb looks forward to /ubuntu/member/kim0 in a few minutes/hours
[01:23] <paultag> :)
[01:23] <kim0> nigelb: who adds me to the LP group ubuntumember
[01:23] <paultag> RMB after the meeting IIRC
[01:23] <paultag> wait it out kim0 :)
[01:23] <nigelb> kim0: board
[01:23] <kim0> I can't wait :)
[01:23] <nigelb> kim0: you can ask in #ubuntu-irc for the cloak
[01:23] <kim0> right after the meeting is great though
[01:23] <kim0> I'm more after planet ubuntu aggregation
[01:23] <nigelb> its probably assigned to today's chair
[01:24] <nigelb> boards tend to rotate it around
[01:24] <jcastro> kim0: shit, forgot to add my stuff to your wiki page
[01:24] <paultag> jcastro, :(
[01:24] <kim0> jcastro: no worries .. it worked
[01:24] <nigelb> jcastro: haha, he's in anyway
[01:24] <nigelb> !ohmy | jcastro
[01:24] <ubot2> jcastro: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.
[01:24] <nigelb> :p
[01:24]  * nigelb giggles
[01:24] <jcastro> hah
[01:24] <nigelb> I have been waiting to do this for long!
[01:24] <jcastro> kim0: oh so you got it?
[01:24] <kim0> Yep
[01:24] <kim0> \o/
[01:24] <jcastro> \o/
[01:25] <akgraner> go kim0! go kim0 ! \0/!
[01:25] <kim0> akgraner: Thanks Amber
[01:25] <kim0> :)
[01:25] <kim0> paultag: jcastro nigelb Thanks folks
[01:25] <nigelb> :)
[01:25] <Pendulum> kim0: congrats :)
[01:25] <nigelb> kim0: no, go sleep :)
[01:25] <kim0> Pendulum: thank you
[01:25] <nigelb> *NOW
[01:25] <paultag> kim0, if I knew about it earlier, I would have said something during the meeting. It ain't no thing, you deserve it
[01:26] <nhandler> kim0: Now get your blog on Planet Ubuntu ;)
[01:26]  * kim0 shakes from nigelb
[01:26] <Pendulum> nigelb: I think your telling kim0 to sleep is a bit pot calling the kettle black :P
[01:26] <paultag> I have a thing about writing testimonials only for people who do work for / with me, but I'd gladly talk on IRC about it :)
[01:26] <kim0> nhandler: you guys will add me to the LP group right after the meeting right ?
[01:26] <nhandler> kim0: Already added
[01:26] <nigelb> Pendulum: No, its more like.  Well, I didn't get to sleep, at least why don't you grab some
[01:26] <kim0> nhandler: ah awesome
[01:27] <nigelb> think about nhandler and he sees the conversation :D
[01:27] <jcastro> heh
[01:27] <jcastro> now planet will become about clouds and servers!
[01:27] <nigelb> lol
[01:27] <nigelb> I have to write something about my new server running Ubuntu
[01:27] <jcastro> finally, someone talking about real computers
[01:28] <kim0> hehe
[01:28] <kim0> ^5
[01:28] <nigelb> jcastro: its a cloud server :p
[01:28] <akgraner> I'm happy I finally got my own cloud :-)
[01:28] <nigelb> akgraner: oh you did?
[01:28] <nigelb> yay!
[01:28]  * nhandler has a pogoplug, but he can't get Ubuntu/Debian installed on it :(
[01:29] <paultag> nhandler, dude, try my idea >:(
[01:29] <paultag> nhandler, I'm sure you can get it to work
[01:29] <akgraner> yep - pete is happy too :-)  and he says now take care of your own s$%^!  in the nicest way possible
[01:29] <nigelb> akgraner: haha
[01:29] <nhandler> paultag: A bit over my head.
[01:30] <paultag> nhandler, no way, you're 100% there, man
[01:30] <paultag> BRB
[01:30] <akgraner> nigelb, nick's helping me
[01:30] <nigelb> akgraner: \o/
[01:30] <paultag> back
[01:30] <nigelb> I just managed to set up wordpress on mine, not complete yet though
[01:31] <paultag> Gah, be back later. Much love ya'll. 'grats kim0 :)
[01:31]  * kim0 bzr uploading his head :)
[01:33] <akgraner> nigelb, akgraner.com just got moved to a vps so I needed to learn more about all that
[01:34] <nigelb> akgraner: \o/
[01:34] <nigelb> akgraner: It is easy to install sutff
[01:34] <nigelb> configuring apache... *shudder*
[01:35] <akgraner> the first time I tried I couldn't do it - started yelling a Pete that didn't get me far
[01:35] <akgraner> s/a/at
[01:36] <nigelb> hahaha
[01:36] <nigelb> 'tried yelling at Pete'
[01:40]  * kim0 hugs everyone .. and races to bed
[06:54] <jussi> good morning peoples!
[07:01] <nigelb> morning jussi
[07:31] <jussi> ok, now Im confused
[07:32] <jussi> where did the extra rooms come from?  (see the difference? http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ )
[07:36] <nigelb> jussi: one of them is the auditorium kinda place
[07:36] <nigelb> but yeah, an extra room
[07:37] <jussi> nigelb: ummm?
[07:37] <jussi> where did all the extra curacao rooms come from?
[07:38] <jussi> I used the list on sumit to create channels... do i need to create more?
[07:38] <nigelb> jussi: oh, ugh.
[07:38] <nigelb> jussi: call 911 aka jcastro
[07:38] <jussi> I think Ill just wait for jcastro...
[07:38] <jussi> lol
[07:40] <jussi> I think we are geting close to being ready with this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JussiSchultink/IRCMembership - anyone got any extra bits we might have missed?
[07:45] <nigelb> jussi: hrm, should that form of membership go to rmb?
[07:46] <nigelb> I mean then we'll have have forums memebership next, ask ubuntu membership
[07:47] <dholbach> Good morning!
[07:47] <nigelb> Good morning dholbach :)
[07:48] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:01] <ara> good morning!
[08:01] <nigelb> Good morning ara
[08:01] <nigelb> I waiting for kim0 to land up with his new cloak
[08:01] <nigelb> *I'm
[08:01] <ara> good morning nigelb
[08:08] <jussi> nigelb: this is something specifically asked for by Mark.
[08:09] <jussi> and the fc can do membership, they just havent actioned it...
[08:09] <jussi> dholbach: anything extra for here? anything we have missed? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JussiSchultink/IRCMembership
[08:09] <nigelb> jussi: oh, ok
[08:10] <nigelb> jussi: It looks good but the question just hit me so I asked
[08:10] <kim0> o/ morning folks
[08:10] <jussi> morning kim0
[08:11] <nigelb> Morning kim0
[08:11] <nigelb> where is your cloak!
[08:11] <kim0> jussi: nigelb hey
[08:11] <kim0> nigelb: hehe .. no idea how to get that one
[08:11] <nigelb> jussi: bribe jussi :p
[08:11] <nigelb> err
[08:11] <jussi> !cloak
[08:11] <ubot2> Want to hide your IP while connected to freenode? See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks  More information available in #freenode
[08:11] <nigelb> kim0: ^^
[08:11] <kim0> lol
[08:12] <jussi> hrm
[08:12] <jussi> kim0: are you an ubuntu memeber?
[08:12] <nigelb> kim0: just ask in #ubuntu-irc
[08:12] <jussi> member even?
[08:12] <nigelb> jussi: yes, as of yesterday
[08:12] <kim0> jussi: yeah yesterday :)
[08:12] <dholbach> jussi, I'd make the list of contributions less explicit or you'll find yourself adding new types of contributions whenever somebody asks "does this count too?"
[08:12] <dholbach> congratulations kim0! :)
[08:12] <jussi> kim0: ok, #ubuntu-irc and give your lp page
[08:12] <kim0> dholbach: hey thanks :)
[08:12] <dholbach> jussi, or maybe add one more more generic item to it
[08:12] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:12] <kim0> jussi: thanks
[08:12] <kim0> dpm: morning
[08:12] <nigelb> morning dpm
[08:13] <jussi> dholbach: I thought this sentence would cover it: In addition to the above general contributions list, here are some possible forms of IRC contributions:
[08:13] <dpm> morning dholbach, kim0, nigelb! :)
[08:13] <dholbach> jussi, I'd add a link to the IRC Council meeting agenda page, so people know where to add themselves and when to show up
[08:14] <jussi> dholbach: ok, will do
[08:18] <dholbach> kim0, woohoo
[08:18] <nigelb> yay!
[08:19] <nigelb> 03:18 -!- kim0 [~kim0@ubuntu/member/kim0] has joined #ubuntu-community-team
[08:19] <nigelb> lovely cloak
[08:19] <kim0> ah hehe :) awesome
[08:20] <dholbach> jussi, I'd change it a bit... maybe "Ubuntu membership generally recognises significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu. (place link to Membership somwhere there) An active IRC contributor is held to the same standards, but the main focus of activity is expected in Ubuntu IRC community organisation, examples for that work are...." or something like that
[08:20] <dholbach> jussi, when I read it, I wasn't sure what "above general contributions list" was about :)
[08:20] <dholbach> and I'd lose a word or two about Ubuntu membership generally
[08:20] <dholbach> apart from that it looks good to me
[08:20] <dholbach> just imagine you'd land on the page and you hadn't heard of membership before
[08:25] <jussi> dholbach: ok, Ive made a few changes now
[08:25] <dholbach> super
[08:25] <jussi> dholbach: Ill run it byt the ircc one more time, and then send it over to the cc.
[08:26] <dholbach> super
[08:26] <dholbach> thanks
[08:31] <jussi> dholbach: and please do make my apology clear for not getting this done sooner. I feel really bad that it just didnt get done.
[08:32] <dholbach> jussi, I'm not sure I understand what you want me to say here?
[08:34] <jussi> dholbach: never mind, Im just feeling bad for not attending to this earlier.
[08:35] <dholbach> jussi, I think it'll be a good measure to introduce it and it'll have positive impact - better late than never
[08:35] <jussi> yes, I thought same. :)
[08:49] <jussi> kim0: if you havent already, take a peak at the membership benefits listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#Procedure%20for%20Obtaining%20Membership
[08:50] <kim0> jussi: thanks man .. I did :)
[09:31] <popey> morning all
[09:31]  * popey hugs dholbach
[09:32]  * dholbach hugs popey back :)
[09:33] <dholbach> thanks popey
[09:33] <popey> np
[09:33] <dholbach> I'm thrilled to see the Afghan LoCo take off
[09:33] <popey> yeah, me too
[09:42] <dpm> kim0, congrats on getting Ubuntu membership!
[09:43] <kim0> dpm: Yaay :) thanks man
[09:43] <dholbach> dpm, did the afghan loco get in touch with you?
[09:44] <dpm> dholbach, I've spoken to several people regarding Persian localization, but that was some weeks ago, did any particular person wanted to get in touch?
[09:44] <dpm> oh, but that was Persian as in Iran
[09:44] <dpm> so, no, no contact from the Afghan loco
[09:44] <dholbach> dpm, Sadeq Zabihi
[09:45] <dholbach> dpm, ok - I told him that you were in touch with the Persian folks
[09:46] <dholbach> I'm not sure how they can best collaborate (Dari and Persian are quite similar), I don't know if our setup supports something like that :)
[09:46] <dpm> dholbach, they've got a list for Persian localization, but I'm not sure if the Afghan folks are in there too. He hasn't been in touch with me, and he wasn't on any of the CC lists on the e-mails I exchanged with the Iranian folks
[09:46] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[09:48] <dpm> dholbach, right now in LP we've only got one Persian dialect (Farsi). There was a request from a guy to create a language entry for Dari, but we asked him to try to collaborate with the main Persian team, and IIRC he never replied back. Let me dig out the question in lp...
[09:48] <dholbach> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/76655
[09:48] <czajkowski> kim0: congrats on membership
[09:49] <kim0> czajkowski: yaay :) thanks
[09:49] <dholbach> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+languages/fa_AF
[09:49] <dpm> dholbach, oh, I didn't know about that one. I wasn't involved there, the one I'm talking about was another one, let me see if I can find it...
[09:49] <dholbach> seems it was sorted out
[09:50] <dpm> yeah, there might be a language, but they've got no translation team
[09:50] <dholbach> there's https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-prs
[09:54] <czajkowski> no randa
[09:54] <czajkowski> :(
[09:55] <jussi> czajkowski: now we have channels, you might want to update your blog entry
[09:55] <jussi> czajkowski: and Hai!
[09:58] <czajkowski> he channels are the roooms aren't they
[09:58] <czajkowski> jussi: ^^
[10:01] <jussi> czajkowski: yes, they are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/516304/
[10:01] <jussi> now I got to run
[10:01] <czajkowski> jussi: so I have that on the blog already :)
[10:03] <popey> czajkowski: i think his point was "make it obvious what the channel names are in your blog post"
[10:03] <popey> czajkowski: your blog post doesn't list the channels
[10:03] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[10:03] <popey> i would list them and make them webchat links!
[10:03] <popey> :)
[10:03] <popey> that way people can just clickify them
[10:04] <czajkowski> well I did list them... but will make webchat links later on
[10:04] <czajkowski> need to go do an interview today about a school using Ubuntu
[10:04] <czajkowski> then get car NCT/MOT
[10:04] <popey> oh, just refreshed, sorry
[10:04] <czajkowski> who wants to be nice and answer a question on my blog for me :D http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/10/19/how-to-remote-participate-at-uds-n-and-get-the-most-of-the-sessions/
[10:04] <czajkowski> the one from Patrick
[10:05] <popey> 1) UTC, 2) file a bug
[10:05] <popey> actually the times are probably local arent they?
[10:05] <popey> east coast
[11:32]  * dpm -> lunch
[11:52] <AlanBell> EST
[12:24] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:24]  * nigelb waves
[12:24] <duanedesign> congrats kim0
[12:24] <kim0> duanedesign: hey thanks :)
[12:25]  * duanedesign waves at nigelb
[12:25]  * nigelb waves back weakly
[12:27] <nigelb> oops, did I just DoS'd ubingo
[12:27] <AlanBell> oreally?
[12:28] <nigelb> ok, no
[12:28] <AlanBell> up for me
[12:28] <nigelb> my net's just flaky
[12:28] <AlanBell> I was going to blog about it very shortly
[12:28] <nigelb> strangely, only on port 80.  IRC works fine
[12:29] <duanedesign> been working on some graphics for theBeginners Team. Inspired by the nicuraguan loco reapproval app. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/duanedesign/sandbox3
[12:31] <nigelb> duanedesign: oh, the fg structure changed?
[12:37] <duanedesign> nigelb: that is the 'new' structure we are working on
[12:38] <nigelb> Ah
[12:38] <duanedesign> nigelb: makes a lot more sense then the current one.
[12:38] <nigelb> yes, it does
[12:38] <nigelb> Only thing that doesn't make sense - what took you so long?
[12:39] <duanedesign> nigelb: heh, right. Your preaching to the choir, as they say
[12:40] <duanedesign> which means, I agree
[12:40] <duanedesign> :)
[12:41] <nigelb> :)
[12:42] <duanedesign> i have to remember that a lot of 'local sayings' do not translate well in a global community
[12:46] <duanedesign> nigelb: me and cprofitt are both going to be at uds. One goal we have is to explicitly define the Beginners Team membership/mentor process.
[12:47] <duanedesign> too many of the structures and processes have not kept pace with the group transitioning from a small group of forum contributors, to a multi faceted mentoring team.
[12:48] <duanedesign> i think that has lead to us being far less efficient then we could be.
[12:50] <AlanBell> nigelb: blogged it :)
[12:51] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/10/22/ubingo/
[12:52] <duanedesign>  AlanBell, heh, that will be fun
[13:21] <czajkowski> who is the team lead for Ubuntu stupid and what is their email address?
[13:23] <czajkowski> studio
[13:23] <czajkowski> bah
[13:23] <AlanBell> :)
[13:23] <dpm> :-)
[13:23] <czajkowski> shouldnt type when reading a mail
[13:23] <dpm> the renaming of Ubuntu studio had me wondering for a few secs
[13:23] <jussi> ScottL: is
[13:23] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:23] <jussi> scott-work: ScottL
[13:24] <czajkowski> jussi: whats the email address?
[13:24] <duanedesign> ha. ubuntu stupid. I thought there was a new team i had not heard of
[13:24] <jussi> 2 secs
[13:24] <AlanBell> duanedesign: I was going to join it
[13:24] <scott-work> jussi: czajkowski: hello, yes?
[13:24] <duanedesign> :D
[13:25] <jussi> scott-work: kindly give czajkowski your email address
[13:25] <scott-work> czajkowski<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:25] <scott-work> aye, jussi
[13:25] <czajkowski> scott-work: thanks, sending you  a mail re a school here in limerick who is using Ubuntu and is now setting up djing classes and creative media studio
[13:26] <scott-work> awesome!
[13:26] <czajkowski> http://learninghub.ie/
[13:26] <czajkowski> well it is but they have a guy helping tem set up who is an end user and doesnt have much experience
[13:26] <czajkowski> they've had woeful doifficulty getting evolution working with their calenders so much so they are back using outlook
[13:27] <czajkowski> so trying to get them back on the road to Ubuntu
[13:34] <akgraner> woo road trip to Orlando begins in T-4 hours  - woo hoo!
[13:35] <Pendulum> akgraner: I really do wish I could be a fly on the wall of that car
[13:36] <akgraner> thinking about posting audio and video along the way - this ought to be hilarious...
[13:36] <Pendulum> hehe
[13:36] <duanedesign> akgraner: have a safe trip. Looking forward to seeing you there.
[13:36] <akgraner> depends of if I can talk the other passengers into it
[13:37] <akgraner> duanedesign, thanks! me too when do you arrive?
[13:37] <duanedesign> akgraner: how far is your drive?
[13:37] <duanedesign> akgraner: Sunday morning
[13:37]  * duanedesign looks exactly
[13:38] <akgraner> Pendulum, it's a 15 passenger van and I 've been told I have to sit in the very back seat
[13:38] <duanedesign> 11:15am Sunday
[13:38] <akgraner> oh cool
[13:38] <duanedesign> akgraner: so we are getting together Sunday night (we == crew)
[13:38] <duanedesign> sorry for lack of question mark
[13:39] <Pendulum> akgraner: are they worried that they smell or something?
[13:39] <duanedesign> :P
[13:40] <akgraner> duanedesign, I'm not the crew lead czajkowski is, but it's a good idea
[13:40] <duanedesign> ahh thats right akgraner :P
[13:41] <Pendulum> duanedesign: the crew site says Wednesday morning. czajkowski doesn't get in until Sunday evening so she may be a little tired at that point
[13:41] <Pendulum> er... crew wiki
[13:44] <akgraner> Pendulum, oh that is right I forgot czajkowski gets in late
[13:44] <akgraner> :-/  I don't know if I am coming or going - how sad is it that I am looking forward to UDS so I can have some down time
[13:52]  * AlanBell adds ubingo to the ubingo word list
[14:13] <akgraner> AlanBell, how about ububrat - kids of Ubuntu developers or contributors, ubuorphan - kids who have been ignored by obsessive parents in the pursuit of all things Ubuntu and my favorite - ubuwidow/widower those who have been ignored by obsessive  their spouses or significant other(s) in the pursuit of all things Ubuntu
[14:13] <akgraner> wait did I say obsessive - I meant dedicated
[14:14] <AlanBell> hmm, good word, but I can't see it being mentioned in the keynote!
[14:14] <jcastro> jussi: ah crap I forgot to tell you
[14:15] <jcastro> jussi: we're minus caracao 1
[14:15] <jcastro> but plus a bonaire
[14:15] <jcastro> jussi: the list is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/
[14:16] <czajkowski> duanedesugn i mailed all crew to meet sunday evening at 8
[14:20] <duanedesign> czajkowski: sounds good
[14:29] <jcastro> man AlanBell
[14:29] <jcastro> you're missing some key words in your thing
[14:29] <AlanBell> jcastro: refresh to get more
[14:29] <AlanBell> what do you think is missing?
[14:30] <jcastro> Debian
[14:30] <jcastro> Crisp
[14:30] <jcastro> Clean
[14:30] <jcastro> Tight
[14:30] <AlanBell> debian is in
[14:30] <jcastro> I don't see it
[14:30] <AlanBell> keep refreshing :)
[14:30] <jcastro> OH
[14:30] <jcastro> I get it
[14:31] <AlanBell> Castro is in there too :)
[14:33] <jcastro> yeah for some reason he's mentioned me in the past 2
[14:33] <jcastro> It's kind of like the eye of sauron I suppose. :p
[14:34] <popey> its funny you should say that
[14:34] <popey> 13:49 <sabdfl> http://bit.ly/dzmdVU
[14:35] <popey> honestly, not made up, directly from my pm logs
[14:45] <AlanBell> wonder if he wants the ubingo word list to help him prepare for Monday
[14:48] <popey> i would
[14:59] <sense> good afternoon
[15:00] <dholbach> hi jono
[15:02] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:05] <jcastro> HI HI HI
[15:13] <akgraner> AlanBell, I was just throwing those out for in general
[15:14] <AlanBell> yup, they should be thrown out :)
[15:15] <AlanBell> jono: wondering about the status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gally/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-gally-photoshoot
[15:15] <AlanBell> and please feel free to tweet about http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk
[16:03] <jono> AlanBell, does that need a session?
[16:18] <AlanBell> jono: yes
[16:27] <czajkowski> whoo Sally passed the Mot :D
[16:27] <popey> :)
[16:27] <popey> your car is called sally?
[16:28] <Pici> Mustang Sally?
[16:30] <czajkowski> Pici: aye
[16:30] <czajkowski> Pici: she's not a mustang but I asked someone to help me name her and they came up with the name and it stuck
[16:31] <popey> happy memories of that car
[16:31] <popey> fun conversations and yummy breakfast
[16:31] <czajkowski> heh
[16:32] <czajkowski> I'll go with the yummy breakfast and dodgey conversations
[16:32] <czajkowski> :)
[16:32] <dinda> dholbach: ping
[16:32] <czajkowski> washed her out this morning and polished her
[16:32] <czajkowski> all pretty :D
[16:33] <dinda> dholbach: what do I need to do for Ubuntu to participate in Google's Code In mentoring project?  http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html
[16:34] <dinda> dholbach: is that something I can just do as a community member?  or is there some 'official' channel/approval process?
[16:35] <dholbach> dinda, you mean for Ubuntu as a organisation in Google Summer of Code 2011?
[16:35] <dholbach> because SoC 2010 is over now
[16:36] <dinda> dholbach: this is a different project, for kids ages 13 - 18
[16:36] <dholbach> aha!
[16:36] <dholbach> I didn't even know about it
[16:36] <dinda> dholbach: starts next month an runs through January
[16:36] <dinda> dholbach: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html
[16:37] <dholbach> dinda, you could ask randa if she knows anything about it
[16:37] <dinda> dholbach: ok,  I've already have six parents ask me about their kids participating!
[16:37] <dholbach> nice :)
[16:46] <nigelb> AlanBell: according to ajmitch that game means alcohol posioning :p
[16:48] <AlanBell> depends how many words come up really!
[16:48] <czajkowski> pleia2: ping
[16:53] <czajkowski> doctormo: TCP has been purchased
[16:56] <nigelb> AlanBell: Also, I'll me missing at least the first 3 days of UDS
[17:01] <pleia2> czajkowski: pong
[17:03] <czajkowski> maco: ping
[17:03] <czajkowski> highvoltage: ping
[17:12] <dholbach> see you all
[17:12] <dholbach> have a great weekend!
[17:12] <czajkowski> dholbach: see you Sunday!
[17:12] <popey> o/
[17:13]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:13] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[17:54] <dpm> ok everyone, see you on saturday or sunday in orlando! If not, see you on the Internets!
[18:06] <highvoltage> czajkowski: pong
[20:07] <Pendulum> hiya
[20:22] <maco> nhandler: whats this askubuntu stuff on the hall of fame that you claim is there?
[20:23] <czajkowski> maco: are you going to answer that survey from motu point of view ?
[20:25] <maco> i dont even understand it
[20:25] <maco> the bullet pointed things at the top and the boldy questions at the bottom arent the same
[20:25] <maco> theres not even the same number of them
[20:25] <maco> and it says "new" people
[20:26] <maco> which also makes me wonder why you ask me
[20:26] <czajkowski> maco: new to motu
[20:26] <czajkowski> fair enough
[20:27] <maco> i dont think im new enough to be able to answer these questions
[20:27] <maco> if youd asked me in 2008, maybe
[20:27] <czajkowski> fair enough
[20:28] <czajkowski> thanks
[22:02] <czajkowski> jono: in a BP the project what do I add, saying Ubuntu is not helping it keeps saying undefined
[22:02] <jono> czajkowski, that sentence doesn't make any sense :)
[22:02] <czajkowski> jono: sorry :(
[22:02] <jono> lol np
[22:03] <czajkowski> jono: when creating a blueprint, it says , project , what area do I select as when I type Ubuntu into it. I get back undefined
[22:03] <czajkowski> The project for which this proposal is being made.
[22:04] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I ended up with ubuntu-community for the accessibility team. so if it's a loco thing maybe that'll be easiest?
[22:04] <czajkowski> aye
[22:04] <czajkowski> used my brain
[22:05] <Pendulum> well you used to be able to just say "ubuntu"
[22:05]  * czajkowski needs to think more
[22:05] <Pendulum> I dunno why that changed
[22:05] <czajkowski> aye
[22:05] <czajkowski> I think that's what was confusing me
[22:05] <czajkowski> granted it is easily done
[22:05] <czajkowski> jono: sorry!
[22:06] <jono> czajkowski, hmmm weird
[22:07] <czajkowski> I am not weird young man
[22:08] <Pendulum> jono: to make it more complicated if you try to search for "ubuntu" to see if you can find it, you get "too many projects returned" so if there is a way to just say it's "ubuntu" then you can't find it!
[22:08] <jono> thats no fun
[22:08] <jono> alrgiht folks, I am out
[22:08] <jono> later!
[22:12] <czajkowski> time for some BBT :D
[22:13] <duanedesign> hmmm...bbt
[22:14] <duanedesign> beddie bye time :)
[22:20] <nhandler> maco: No clue what happened with the HoF. As my screenshot showed, it /was/ working. I'll try and get a hold of dholbach to see what happened (but it might be hard with UDS)
[22:26] <czajkowski> duanedesign: Big Ban Theory
[22:26] <czajkowski> *bang
[22:48] <czajkowski> paultag: you're missing from council channel
[22:49] <Pendulum> czajkowski: he has problems remembering that, doesn't he/
[22:49] <czajkowski> he really does
[23:04] <paultag> GRRR
[23:05] <paultag> xchat does not identify before it tries and joins
[23:05] <paultag> so I end up getting kicked
[23:05] <czajkowski> get a propper client!
[23:06] <czajkowski> paultag: Pendulum thinks you have problems remembering us!
[23:06] <paultag> :(
[23:06] <paultag> czajkowski, what do you use?
[23:07] <paultag> irssi breaks for me too
[23:07] <czajkowski> irssi
[23:07] <czajkowski> :)
[23:07] <czajkowski> screen irssi :)
[23:08] <paultag> I did for the longest time
[23:08] <paultag> but it brokeded for me too
[23:12] <paultag> BRB
[23:16] <nhandler> paultag: Use the server password field to identify, not that NickServ box that xchat has


[01:58] <duflu> Morning-ish thumper
[01:58] <duflu> Also afternoon
[02:00] <thumper> o/
[05:54] <duflu> Hi seb128
[05:54] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[05:54] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[05:56] <duflu> seb128, going OK. Though my good hearing didn't last past yesterday. Doesn't happen very often. How are you?
[05:58] <seb128> duflu, sorry about your hearing :-(
[05:59] <seb128> duflu, I managed to again get a small cold post travelling and the kid decided that 6am is a good time  to start the day
[05:59] <seb128> but I'm good otherwise :)
[06:01] <duflu> Must be unlucky to get a virus on a short flight like that
[06:02] <duflu> Or perhaps more likely during the conference
[07:36] <Laney> Bzoop
[07:37] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[07:37] <Laney> hey seb128
[07:37] <Laney> alright, all checked out and hanging around in the lobby area
[07:37] <Laney> not so many people here today
[07:37] <seb128> when is your flight?
[07:38] <duflu> Hola Laney
[07:38] <Laney> you?
[07:38] <Laney> 14:00
[07:38] <Laney> hey duflu
[07:39] <Laney> ¿cómo estás?
[07:39]  * Laney checked to make sure he got the ' correct
[07:39] <duflu> Umm, good - ish
[07:40] <seb128> haha
[07:40] <seb128> I got a small cold again on the way back, but good otherwise!
[07:55] <willcooke> Morning all
[07:56] <willcooke> Guess I'm French now then
[08:00] <seb128> hey willcooke, welcome in the winning club!
[08:00] <seb128> :)
[08:08] <willcooke> :) I hope so
[08:24] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:24] <duflu> And just in case, zdravo willcooke
[08:26] <seb128> duflu, re pulseaudio, it's still in proposed because the gconf binary has been removed but still has rdepends in the archive, which makes bitney block the update (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt shows that but in an non obvious way, it lists e.g paprefs which means that become non-installable)
[08:27] <duflu> seb128, does that translate to "wait" or "fix something"? :)
[08:28] <seb128> it translate to we either need to add -gconf back or move those packages to stop having the depends on -gconf
[08:28] <seb128> or maybe -gsettings can provide -gconf as a temporary thing if they provide the same feature
[08:29] <seb128> I don't know if those depends are there because they need -gconf or just because they need a backend and gsettings is equivalent in that regard
[08:30] <duflu> seb128, ah yes, I see it.
[08:31] <seb128> paprefs seems to depends on gconf but that's looks like https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/paprefs/news/20180627T142643Z.html is dealing with that
[08:31] <seb128> I can sync that update
[08:31] <seb128> (done)
[08:32] <duflu> pulseaudio-module-gconf
[08:32] <duflu> Reverse Depends:
[08:32] <duflu>   Depends: paprefs
[08:32] <duflu>   Depends: plasma-pa
[08:32] <Laney> you can ping acheronuk about those KDE things
[08:32] <Laney> like I just did :-)
[08:32] <seb128> Laney, thx :)
[08:32] <duflu> Ta
[08:34] <duflu> I didn't notice those in all my weeks of testing because I use neither
[08:34] <seb128> right, it's usually a good idea to check for rdepends of binaries that are removed by an update
[08:35] <seb128> duflu, acheronuk, sounds like https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/plasma-pa/news/20180626T120921Z.html is what is needed
[08:37] <seb128> it's a new serie compared to cosmic though, so unsure how practical it is
[08:37] <seb128> let's wait for acheronuk to comment
[08:37] <seb128> if that requires work we can add back the -gconf binary as a temporary solution
[08:38] <duflu> Depends on the project whether version_minor is ABI compatible
[08:38] <duflu> Some people do and some people don't
[08:42] <acheronuk> seb128: yeah, I had noted the discussion in debian. we are waiting on newer required qt before we do 5.13 plasma. however, there look very few changes in plasma-pa from 5.12 we have to 5.13, so quite likely we can sync those packaging changes early
[08:42] <acheronuk> I'll will test build and see
[08:43] <seb128> acheronuk, thanks!
[08:43] <Laney> acheronuk: Just the -gconf dropping is needed for now to unblock pulseaudio - you can look at bigger updates in a second round if you want
[08:44] <Laney> I mean if it gets tied to a plasma update that might make it take longer to get pulseaudio in :-)
[08:44] <Laney> there's latte-dock too fwiw
[08:47] <acheronuk> yeah, it would break latte as that has a plasma-pa dep for some qml imports
[08:48] <Laney> yah
[08:49] <Laney> this doesn't depend on pa-gconf directly though
[08:49] <Laney> so only the first fix I guess
[08:49] <Laney> :>
[08:49] <Laney> 🤞
[08:49]  * Laney is feeling emoji
[09:31] <acheronuk> Laney seb128: uploaded. fingers crossed here as well
[09:31] <seb128> acheronuk, thx!
[13:32] <fossfreedom> hi all - can anyone link me to a PPA with nautilus v3.28 so that I can test against for Ubuntu Budgie 18.10 please?
[13:38] <seb128> fossfreedom, unsure there is one, what do you can to test exactly?
[13:39] <fossfreedom> I need to pull in the right upstream patches to budgie-desktop to stop it crashing when nautilus 3.28 and later is running.  I can guess ... but obviously want to be absolutely assured things will work.
[13:41] <fossfreedom> If there isnt one, I'll try to pull the package from debian experimental and rebuild into a PPA
[13:59] <seb128> k, I guess that would work, or you can probably update the nautilus package easily as well
[13:59] <seb128> the issue is that they removed the desktop feature
[14:05] <fossfreedom> seb128, yes - the desktop removal feature is the bit I need to workaround - need to be ready when nauilus 3.30 reaches its way into cosmic in September
[14:06] <seb128> fossfreedom, we didn't plan to update to > 3.26 for now since we didn't resolve the desktop case ... how do you plan to workaround that?
[14:08] <fossfreedom> after fixing budgie-desktop to stop it crashing was going to look at the preliminary work budgie upstream has done in this area ... and also see if the nemo fallback is viable if upstream isnt ready.
[14:09] <fossfreedom> seb128, is there a go/no-go desktop meeting coming up that will decide if nautilus is to be upgraded - or not ?
[14:10] <seb128> not really, it has been discussed on the hub
[14:10] <seb128> but it's pretty sure we are not going to make a move that let users without a way to reactivate the desktop view in one form or another if they want to
[14:11] <seb128> using a nautilus fork to display the desktop doesn't sound like a great option
[14:11] <seb128> or are you considering replacing nautilus by nemo?
[14:13] <fossfreedom> just using the nemo desktop handling part - but using nautilus for the main file-manager.  But yeah - not a great solution.  If 18.10 isnt going with nautilus 3.30 then I probably should stop worrying until 19.04 swings around
[14:14] <seb128> well more people trying to help resolving that question is useful
[14:14] <seb128> having 2 filemanagers, one displaying the desktop and one for other folders seems like a crappy option though
[14:15] <fossfreedom> indeed
[14:15] <seb128> it's 2 codebases to maintain, inconsistent behaviour, more memory usage, etc
[14:15] <seb128> I would call that a no go for Ubuntu Desktop at least
[15:04] <seb128> andyrock, hey, could you review https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-initial-setup/merge_requests/7 when you have some time for it?
[15:04] <gitlab-bot> Ubuntu issue (Merge request) 7 in gnome-initial-setup "Display the ubuntu welcome wizard in Unity" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[15:20] <andyrock> seb128: sure thing
[15:21] <seb128> thx
[15:22] <seb128> andyrock, btw I'm SRUing your software-properties fix (the bug you targetted earlier), I updated the description ... feel free to tweak the testcase to be easier if you have e.g a way to expire the u1 credential
[15:22] <andyrock> kk
[15:25] <andyrock> seb128: done
[15:25] <seb128> andyrock, thx!
[15:25] <andyrock> can you check if it's easy enough to understand what I wrote?
[15:27] <seb128> the description looks good to me, thanks!
[15:29] <andyrock> np
[17:27] <dviper> Hello all, Does anyone know the best way to ensure that all DNS traffic go to local host? Would this require iptables entry?
[17:32] <willcooke> dviper, you're in the wrong place for that sort of question I'm afraid.  Try in #ubuntu
[17:32] <willcooke> night all
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libzmf/+bug/1717926 when you have some free cycles and comment on whether you think it's a good idea/something we want?
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libstaroffice/+bug/1717930
[18:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm using the fact that you are still connected to IRC to be lazy, maybe an email would be better. In any case there is no hurry/don't bother looking tonight
[19:12] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah it's on my to-do list, I won't get to it tonight but will do eventually
[19:12] <seb128> oSoMoN, great, thx
[19:13] <oSoMoN> yw
[19:14] <oSoMoN> and IRC works whenever I'm connected, my work hours are a bit chaotic/random these days so answers might lag…
[19:26] <CrazyLemon> did you guys noticed someone changed the topic?
[19:26] <CrazyLemon> you might wanna change it and lock it :)
[19:31] <sarnold> thanks CrazyLemon :)
[19:33] <CrazyLemon> sarnold yw.. maybe set +t or something like that :)
[19:33] <sarnold> I think the -t is mostly considered a feature :)
[21:15] <tsimonq2> :D
[21:16] <tsimonq2> Better
[22:44] <sarnold> lol


[15:59] <death_Soldier> hello
[15:59] <death_Soldier> can help me?
[15:59] <death_Soldier> :)
[16:00] <death_Soldier> are you there
[16:00] <death_Soldier> ?
[20:20] <sianis> hello there
[20:21] <sianis> I want to translate the global jam banner, opened inkscape, but how can I edit the text?
[20:22] <sianis> inkscape can edit the text, but changes the font also
[20:22] <sianis> what's wrong?
[20:26] <Flannel> sianis: Where'd you get the svg? (so I can take a look)
[20:27] <sianis> Flannel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam?action=AttachFile - the two svg files from here
[20:30] <Flannel> sianis: Which text?
[20:30] <Flannel> looks like the "banners" one has everything converted to paths
[20:30] <sianis> I'm going to ... make a real ....
[20:31] <sianis> so it couldn't be edited easily ?
[20:31] <Flannel> That looks like paths too, no "text"
[20:31] <Flannel> yeah.  Well, the way to edit it would be to delete it, and put new text in there.
[20:32] <Flannel> Just have to figure out the font
[20:34] <sianis> Flannel: do you know the fonts?
[20:34] <Flannel> Not off the top of my head, bu we can try some things and find it! (or at least find something close)
[20:35] <Flannel> Obviously the Ubuntu Global Jam font is ubuntu title
[20:42] <sianis> the top of the banner is MgOpen Modata
[20:42] <Flannel> Which banner?
[20:43] <Flannel> "Make a real difference"?
[20:43] <Flannel> I was going to say, Bitstream Vera Sans Bold matches pretty well if you can't find an exact match
[20:44] <sianis> yes, the make a real text
[20:44] <Flannel> the "I'm going to" is easy to match (if you can find it) due to the g and the apostrophe
[20:45] <Flannel> Looks like it's Trebuchet?
[20:49] <sianis> Flannel: yes it is
[20:50] <sianis> the only question is the 4 words on the banner
[20:50] <sianis> :)
[20:50] <Flannel> Now, the only one we have left is the pixelated, yeah.
[20:54] <sianis> hm, Bitstream Vera Sans Bold was true
[20:56] <Flannel> pixel font is something tiny, then expanded.
[20:56] <Flannel> It's not silkscreen
[20:57] <Flannel> Hmm, or maybe not.  Inkscape bumps up font-size when you expand, duh.
[20:59] <Flannel> although sinkscreen's N works.  It seems like the rest of the "tiny" fonts have 'n' for all Ns
[21:01] <Flannel> Maybe 04?
[21:05] <Flannel> 04B-08 works except for the R it seems
[21:05] <Flannel> ( http://www.dsg4.com/04/extra/bitmap/index.html )
[21:06] <sianis> Flannel: looks like yes
[21:07] <Flannel> sianis: the tail on the R has an extra flourish
[21:07] <sianis> okey I try it, thank you very much
[21:07] <Flannel> sianis: Might want to ask whoever made those too :)
[21:07] <Flannel> Their info is on the bottom of the files
[21:08] <sianis> if I can't reproduce it I will
[21:09] <Flannel> sianis: Would you mind adding the font info to that wikipage so others can translate easier as well?
[21:19] <sianis> Flannel: if it work I will, sure
[21:49] <sianis> bye


[00:14] <squinty> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3191867/open-source-tools/ubuntu-phone-security-updates-end-in-june-app-store-closing.html
[04:05] <aclegg2011> hello?
[17:55] <iain-g4sgx> Hi. I need some help. Running OTA-15 on Aquarias E4.5. I cannot get the bluetooth to pair with a parrot in the car. I cannot get it to 'forget' it either as the button is greyed out. Anyone any ideas how to fix this? The parrot works with all my other phones ok.


[17:03] <pyrite> I'd like to nominate LP: #1366280 for a trusty SRU
[17:09] <rbasak> pyrite: why is an SRU required for this bug?
[17:11] <teward> ^ my question
[17:11] <teward> (rbasak ninja'd me)
[18:15] <micahg> rbasak: the reason would be reduced dependencies for point releases
[20:11] <rbasak> micahg: what, for ISO size issues?
[20:11] <rbasak> That's fair I suppose, but somebody should say it in the bug.
[20:11] <micahg> just ISO clutter
[20:12] <micahg> I doubt 50k would break any ISO at this point
[20:13] <micahg> though, using the transitional package might make upgrades smoother, but I can see someone being frustrated that a metapackage depends on a transitional package
[20:13] <rbasak> micahg: isn't that a case for fixing it in the development release though, rather than in an SRU? It just doesn't seem SRU-worthy to me.
[20:14] <micahg> it's LTS
[20:14] <micahg> I can certainly understand it, don't know if I would approve it personally :)
[20:16] <rbasak> As I understand SRU policy, we only fix bugs that actually affect users. So I don't want to sponsor it or accept a Trusty nomination. But someone else can.


[00:08] <w00w00> huhu =)
[01:00] <themunkee> can anyone help me with viewing shared folders on windows from linux?
[01:16] <nikolam> themunkee, samba, smbclient, smbfs packages
[01:17] <nikolam> and linneighborhood
[01:18] <themunkee> thanks
[01:18] <nikolam> system-config-samba, samba-doc, samba-doc-pdf
[01:18] <nikolam> np :)
[01:19] <themunkee> after i get all that, what do i do?
[01:20] <nikolam> see some documentation. You have samba-doc-*
[01:20] <themunkee> ok
[01:24] <themunkee> where is the samba-doc located?
[01:27] <cclampblues> yo how is everyone
[01:32] <nikolam> themunkee, install everything from synaptic. use search, select packages and voila.
[01:32] <themunkee> i installed samba-doc
[01:32] <themunkee> how do i look at it?
[01:33] <themunkee> actually, nevermind
[01:33] <themunkee> just figured it out
[01:33] <themunkee> i edited my fstab to automount my shared folder
[01:34] <nikolam> themunkee, you eather have new icon for it (like applications) OR you can go back to synaptick, find it again, right click on it select installed files and find out where docs are :)
[01:34] <themunkee> ah, ok
[01:34] <themunkee> thanks much
[01:34] <nikolam> themunkee, i personlly didnt used samba yet, so i will stop here :)
[01:35] <nikolam> have a good night :)
[01:37] <nikolam> themunkee,  see ubuntuforums.org , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba, https://help.ubuntu.com/5.10/ubuntu/faq/C/sect-samba-server.html
[01:37] <themunkee> ok
[01:42] <cclampblues> !wirelesss
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wirelesss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <cclampblues> !wireless
[01:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:44] <cclampblues> :-X
[01:46] <cclampblues> :-*
[01:51] <theyycallmepost> can anyone lend me a hand with some rfcomm issues trying to get carwhisperer/bluesnarfer to work?
[02:29] <cclampblues> am i still here?
[02:38] <cclampblues> im trying to install the flash plugin for firefox... is there a gui method to do this?>
[02:39] <cclampblues> !flash
[02:39] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:50] <adam_> Hi!  Can anyone recommend a good FTP server, ideally with a GUI frontend?
[03:04] <cclampblues> !ftp
[03:04] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[03:05] <cclampblues> theres a afew to check out
[03:08] <cclampblues> !Gnash
[03:08] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[03:09] <cclampblues> !Restricted
[03:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:46] <zoredache> blist
[03:48] <maxamillion> ?
[04:11] <zoredache> maxamillion: I was speaking to a computer in another window... but the focus somehow slipped to this one
[04:12] <maxamillion> ahhh, i know how that goes :)
[04:14] <cclampblues> hey is there a way to restart reset the mouse from the terminal?
[04:14] <cclampblues> it keeps freezing
[04:14] <cclampblues> not moving at all
[04:15] <cclampblues> !mouse
[04:15] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[04:15] <cclampblues> anyone here/
[04:16] <maxamillion> cclampblues: i'm here ... just never experienced that issue so wouldn't know how to tell you to fix it
[04:16] <cclampblues> it just started after i tried to install the flah plugin for firefox.
[04:17] <cclampblues> this os is infuriating
[04:22] <cclampblues> hello, what does the message: cpu freq changed mean?
[04:43] <maxamillion> cclampblues: nothing special, if you open a terminal and type cpufreq-info it will tell you information about your processors ability to chance its frequency dynamically, this is used for throttling of the cpu and generally for power management
[04:43] <maxamillion> change*
[06:11] <Death-FC> Is there a way to install Adobe Flash onto an xubuntu system w/ only 192 meg ram? or even a viable alternative?
[06:16] <soldats> go to the adobe site and download the tar.gz file and follow the directions to install it for 32bit systems
[06:25] <Death-FC> when i double click on the install file, or even goto terminal and try "flashplayer-install" it does nothing :(
[06:26] <soldats> did you READ the directions
[06:26] <soldats> it says to navigate to the dir in terminal and do /.flash_player_install
[06:26] <soldats> or /.flashinstaller
[06:26] <soldats> or something
[06:27] <Death-FC> yes sir.. i will attempt again and tell you result...  i did try the /.flash thing, didn't work, so i went into directory and tried flashplayer-installer that way.. w/ no luck..
[06:29] <soldats> nav to the dir and do /.flashplayer-installer
[06:30] <Death-FC> wow, i feel stupid.. thx
[06:30] <Death-FC> must have mistyped before lol
[06:30] <Death-FC> sorry
[06:30] <Death-FC> thx for yoru time
[06:31] <soldats> np
[07:41] <melissa_> !mp3 > melissa
[07:41] <melissa_> !mp3 > melissa_
[12:28] <rami_> Hello I screwed up my task bar, and it's really a pain to recustomize it again...is there a way to get back to default?
[13:38] <deeps> hi, is it possible to get xubuntu to change it's default action with images, so that it gives me an application similar to the windows image previewer to look at my images in, and brwoe though, rather than loading up the gimp?
[13:38] <deeps> browse*
[13:41] <hhyjii> hello, i'm trying to install wicd on xubuntu 7.10 kernel 2.6 it needs python-gnome2-extras. When i try to install python.... it asks for libgdl-1-0, i try to install it but it needs for libgdl-1-common. When i try to install libgdl-1-common it asks for libgdl-1-0. Can you help?
[13:44] <predaeus> deeps, right click on the image file and select "Open with other application" and tick the "always open with that application" box.
[13:44] <deeps> predaeus: know of any suitable applications?
[13:46] <predaeus> deeps, hm I use gqview and disable the file browsing tab, so it only shows the image in the window and no controls. Easy fullscreen with F key and navigation with arrows.
[13:47] <predaeus> ah page-up/down not arrows, sorry
[13:48] <predaeus> hhyjii, are you installing with apt-get?
[13:49]  * deeps gives it a try
[13:49] <hhyjii> no, I double click on *.dev file
[13:49] <predaeus> hhyjii, using apt (apt-get) for installation will select the dependencies automatically.
[13:49] <predaeus> hhyjii, you mean .deb?
[13:49] <hhyjii> widc XXXX...xXX.deb
[13:51] <predaeus> hhyjii, hm yea sorry I don't know yet how to automatically isntall dependencies with dpgk. But I think there is an option.
[13:51] <hhyjii> so i should go to console and write apt-get widc XXX.deb?
[13:51] <deeps> anyone in here know of any decent debian/ubuntu based linux distros other than xubuntu/fluxbuntu that are suitable to run on 750mhz/128mb?
[14:02] <solomon> is there any way to get xubuntu's installer to not probe for X config?  when it does my laptop goes haywire and kills the install
[14:02] <solomon> the lappy previously had a debian installation with X working and i've copied the xorg.conf from there, so i don't really need automagical x config
[14:06] <hhyjii> ok, I have wicd-XXX.deb file on my desktop. I go to console-mode, cd Desktop, dir - file wicd-XXX.deb is there. I write 'apt-get install wicd-XXX' and got error saying that, there is no package wicd-XXX. Same thing when i write 'apt-get install wicd-XXX.deb'
[14:21] <ochosi> hhyjii: well you could try "dpkg -i wicd-XXX.deb" instead
[14:22] <ochosi> hhyjii: apt-get only would try to get that package from the repositories, in case you don't have a repository you can either use gtk-debi-package installer (gui) or dpkg -i (command line)
[15:42] <xnu> who is responsible for xubuntus art work?
[15:52] <TheSheep> xnu: jmak
[17:45] <iari> My laptop doesn't go into hibernation / Suspend mode. When I try switching to hibernate the screen goes black and there's a blinking '_' like DOS mode... I can't type or do anything except shutting down using the power button..
[19:24] <xalastras> hi... my router keeps on updating my dns and erases my isp's dns.. how can i block my router from doing that or.. keep my isp's dns always on?
[19:25] <TheSheep> no idea, I do a temporary workaround by removing write permissions for /etc/resolv.conf
[19:25] <TheSheep> but i only works until I reboot :)
[19:26] <xalastras> that could be done automaticly anytime i start ubuntu again ^^
[19:27] <zoredache> xalastras: I think if you installed 'resolvconf' you could force dns.  you could also update the dhcp client config to force ddns
[19:28] <zoredache> you could also install a DNS server on your router, and just set it all to be <IP_ADDRESS> and set the forwarders on the dns server
[20:06] <leche> hey, i got some issues with shutting down xfce and my panel... the logout dialog doesnt appear if i click on the small red arrow, theres just a dialog for closing the panel. at startup i dont have a panel, even if i shutdown -P now
[20:12] <t105> hi everybody, i have a question about installing xubuntu on a dell t105 server... which doesn't do because of sata issues ... ;] am i right here? (#ubuntu seems crowded)
[20:19] <t105> well... what to add? i've got the alternate x64 cd, it starts, but when it comes to booting, it says "can't find cdrom". cd is obviously there. but the installer doesn't get that right and moans "insert cd" ;/
[20:27] <zoredache> just out of curiosity what will the server be for?
[20:27] <zoredache> is the cdrom sata as well?
[20:28] <t105> yep
[20:28] <t105> there's nothing else in it, 2 sata disks and one dvd
[20:28] <t105> which is internally labeled a, b, and c for the cd drive
[20:28] <leche> hey zoredache :-)
[20:28] <zoredache> and you say the model is a t105?
[20:29] <t105> yes
[20:29] <t105> poweredge
[20:29] <t105> arrived today ;)
[20:29] <t105> planning as a small business server with soft-raid
[20:29] <deeps> if you dont mind my asking, why xubuntu?
[20:30] <deeps> ...as a server...
[20:30] <t105> not sure if { |k|x}ubuntu installers differ in some way?
[20:30] <t105> well - i dont need much
[20:30] <t105> shouldn't it ?
[20:30] <zoredache> generally I would suggest a server with no gui at all
[20:30] <deeps> indeed, im under the impression that xubuntu is a desktop os
[20:30] <leche> right ^^
[20:30] <zoredache> so an ubuntu cli only install
[20:30] <deeps> and there isn't a server relese of it
[20:30] <t105> well, there will be lokal work also to do
[20:31] <t105> ;-)
[20:31] <leche> well, all you need is ssh
[20:31] <t105> it's not locked in some storage room, it's... und the desktop ;)
[20:31] <leche> dont walk, use ssh :-P
[20:31] <t105> well... i would
[20:32] <t105> but if you suggest, (x)ubuntu wouldn't fit... what else?
[20:32] <leche> i got some probs with my desktop xfce..
[20:32] <t105> i used suse before
[20:32] <leche> as a server=
[20:32] <leche> ?
[20:33] <t105> well it will be mainly for data, but sometime i'm planning to install postgres
[20:33] <leche> im running a ubuntu command line server
[20:33] <leche> works fine for me
[20:34] <t105> yay okay, but i can't even install, you see ;)
[20:34] <zoredache> t105: do you have a connection to the internet on the server?  You might give the netinstall disk a shot
[20:34] <t105> it just doesnt get the cd drive correctly
[20:34] <t105> hm
[20:34] <zoredache> that is why I am suggesting the net install. after the initial boot it doesn't even try to use the cd
[20:35] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:35] <leche> or, if your cd drive completly is crashed, try an usb stick (if its supported)
[20:35] <zoredache> I suspect I would also double check to see if it works on the 32 bit version
[20:36] <t105> no the drive isn't crashed. it's /dev/scd1 and (after pressing f1 for help, i saw this message) it can't be mounted
[20:37] <t105> hm... netboot... let's see if it is supported...
[20:37] <t105> btw, it is 2 nvidia ck804 controllers
[20:38] <leche> zoredache, any idea to solve my shutdown problem?
[20:38] <zoredache> leche: not really, no
[20:38] <leche> :-/ ok, but thx for reading :-)
[20:40] <t105> hm, seems no net boot option present
[20:41] <t105> a wait
[20:42] <t105> i can enable pxe...
[20:43] <t105> hm but that won't be cool anyway, if the cd is not supported? i wonder if the drives will be afterall!
[20:43] <zoredache> eh?  I wasn't suggesting a pxe install I was sugging using the mini iso to install.  a pxe install is needlessly complex
[20:46] <t105> hm, which one is that?
[20:46] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:47] <leche> zoredache, which is the session management file in xfce?
[20:47] <leche> (i mean, the autostart file)
[20:48] <zoredache> autostart stuff is in .config/autostart/ I believe
[20:48] <leche> thx
[20:48] <t105> ok i'll try that! is the x64 release already save for use?
[20:52] <t105> hm.. these are ubuntu-minimals. is there a chance i can install xubuntu with that?
[20:52] <zoredache> yes
[20:53] <zoredache> one of the boot options will be to install a commmand-line only system
[20:53] <zoredache> if/when you get the command line only system installed
[20:53] <leche> zoredache, where are things like the panel started?
[20:53] <zoredache> then simply login and do an 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[20:54] <t105> ok thanks!
[20:54] <t105> still, anyway: will there probably be controller issues?
[20:54] <t105> i know dell supports sles and red cap
[20:55] <zoredache> t105: I don't know.  If the minimal cd doesn't see your drive, then would either newer, or older cd
[20:55] <t105> ;)
[20:56] <zoredache> newer first.   It is possible the kernel in hardy may have support for your controller...
[20:57] <zoredache> if i was really persistant I would go get the kernel source and .config for redhat, then repackage it for ubuntu
[20:57] <t105> they supplied a "build and update" utility cd. when booting it (some linux!, hehe) they give an option to install a system. guess what? win-xy, rh and sles. maybe these can't do it on their own, too. *fear*
[20:58] <t105> so, obviously linux is possible, at least their the cd boots
[20:58] <zoredache> well the xubuntu cd boots
[20:59] <t105> mine?
[20:59] <zoredache> t105: you said it booted right?  but that the installer couldn't remount it
[20:59] <t105> yes
[20:59] <t105> at least...
[21:00] <t105> well i come to the loader with those options
[21:00] <t105> but anything i try gets blown after the script tries to load the cdrom driver
[21:03] <t105> maybe the installer doesn't support sata, or isn't configured. so, maybe it's a bug? ;)
[21:09] <leche> zoredache, whats the process for the session manager in xfce? and, why dont i have a ~/,xsession file
[21:09] <leche> i think it has something to do with my session manager
[21:11] <zoredache> leche: don't know
[21:11] <leche> zoredache, ok, ill stop bothering you now ^^
[21:12] <zoredache> you might look in .cache/sessions
[21:13] <zoredache> I suspect if I couldn't figure something weird out like you are describing I would setup a second account and try logging into it
[21:13] <zoredache> if the second account didn't have problems I would start comparing stuff between the two homedirectories
[21:15] <t105> question: which install option should i use with that mini-cd? i want to make a raid1....
[21:15] <t105> or ist that asked later
[21:15] <t105> "cli" or "install"
[21:15] <leche> zoredache, thx, that sounds like a good algorithm
[21:16] <zoredache> use cli
[21:16] <zoredache> parititioning is common to all choices
[21:17] <t105> whew
[21:18] <t105> we're at "dhcp" ... looks good so far! ;)
[21:24] <t105> well, what's confusing... manual partitioning... but there's no raid option....
[21:25] <zoredache> you have to create a partition on each drive... there is a choice to set the type.  you need to set the type for use by raid
[21:25] <zoredache> you also should create a small ~150MB partition at the start of both drives
[21:26] <t105> it shows scsi1 (sda) and scsi2 (sdb) ---? is that right, since they are ata drives.. or is that due to sata interface
[21:26] <zoredache> t105: recent kernsl show drives on many new sata and ide controllers as scsi devices
[21:27] <t105> okay i just wondered =)
[21:27] <t105> oh.. and under sda there are two lines:
[21:27] <t105> nr. 1 primary 57 mb k fat16 /media/sda1
[21:27] <zoredache> t105: don't worry about it too much. it shouldn't matter.  If you really are interrested you could go dig into the kernel source
[21:28] <t105> nr. 2 primary 2.2 gb b k fat32 /media/sda2
[21:28] <zoredache> t105: yes there are probably existing partitions.  If you highlight the dirve and press enter, it should ask you if you want to create a new parition table
[21:28] <zoredache> or you could just delete the existing parititions
[21:28] <t105> does that mean, i have some preinstalled partitions
[21:28] <t105> ah
[21:28] <t105> i think it's dells services stuff
[21:28] <zoredache> the fat16 parition is probably the dell recover partition.
[21:28] <t105> yep
[21:29] <zoredache> you could leave it there if you wanted
[21:29] <t105> but that affects the size ... doesn't it? raid must be equal sized?
[21:30] <zoredache> they don't have to be equal, but you will only get to use the ammount available on the smallest member
[21:30] <zoredache> you could leave some free space on the other drive
[21:30] <t105> hm okay
[21:30] <zoredache> you probably don't need it though
[21:31] <zoredache> I always remove them on my dell servers.  everything that is on the partition is also on one of the resource cds that came with the computer
[21:31] <t105> just don't know IF i need it... i guess this is works together with their update-tool-cd in some way
[21:31] <t105> ah.. okay.. then: *blast*
[21:31] <zoredache> it is usually just there diagnostic tools
[21:32] <t105> yeah and they're pretty... useless? just some ram testing
[21:33] <t105> you mentioned that small 150 mb partition... shall that be fat16? what will that be, /boot?
[21:34] <zoredache> that will be ext3 for boot
[21:34] <zoredache> grub is an easier bootloader to work with, but it doesn't like booting off a raid
[21:35] <t105> hm i've heard the like... which one will be used?
[21:35] <zoredache> sorry?  which what will be what?
[21:36] <t105> i mean, will grub be used ?
[21:36] <zoredache> grub will be used if you create a seperate /boot.  If you don't, then it will use lilo
[21:37] <zoredache> what freaks me out about lilo, is that every kernel update causes a re-write of the boot-sector
[21:37] <zoredache> I have had that kill computers several times
[21:37] <t105> so should i not create a separate boot partition (on both drives)?
[21:38] <t105> or create on both and use grub anyway
[21:38] <zoredache> you should create a small partition ~150mb on at least one of the drives...  you can create one on each if you like
[21:39] <t105> and sda1 will be ext3, mounted /boot, boot-flag: yes, no mount options... ok?
[21:40] <zoredache> yes
[21:41] <t105> ok, and on the second drive.... well... mountpoint /boot, tooo? or leave /
[21:41] <zoredache> no, just change the mount point to nothing
[21:41] <zoredache> or /boot2 or something
[21:46] <t105> ok. thanks so far... ah wait, the raid stuff will come later, right?
[21:46] <zoredache> you are still on the partitioner screen aren't you?
[21:47] <t105> yep
[21:47] <zoredache> after your /boot partition, you should create a new parition on each drive where you will put the raid parition
[21:47] <t105> i've confugured sda2 pri 239 gb for / and a 10gb swap on both disks
[21:48] <zoredache> just go to t105 that isn't what you wanted to do
[21:48] <t105> yeah i see ;)
[21:48] <zoredache> so sda1 should be the boot... select the your sda2 parition
[21:48] <t105> there was that "auto" option that created these
[21:49] <t105> so there are 3 partitions on each disk, sda1, sda2, sda5 and sdb1, sdb2, sdb5
[21:49] <t105> sda1 is /boot and bootable
[21:50] <zoredache> sda1 is right..  after that, select your sda2 paritition
[21:50] <t105> ok
[21:50] <zoredache> one of the options says something like filesystem
[21:50] <t105> yes
[21:50] <t105> its ext3 now
[21:50] <zoredache> select that, then hit enter... towards the bottem of the list there should be a choice for raid
[21:50] <t105> should it be volume for raid?
[21:51] <zoredache> something like that, yes
[21:51] <t105> the other option is lvm but thats not what i want i guess
[21:51] <zoredache> no
[21:52] <t105> and sdb2 th like, right?
[21:52] <zoredache> yes, make all the partitions except the first be raid
[21:52] <t105> even the 2 swap partitions?
[21:53] <t105> or should they be deleted
[21:53] <zoredache> you could raid the swap partitions
[21:53] <zoredache> or you could have two seperate swap parititoons
[21:53] <zoredache> I am not sure exactly what happens if drive fails though
[21:53] <t105> just don't know if the kernel will like that ;)
[21:54] <zoredache> probably badness...  Of course since it is software raid... you'll probably get badness anyway
[21:54] <zoredache> software raid doesn't do much to insulate you from the failure... it just makes sure your data is good
[21:55] <zoredache> so you may be fine to just leave them a two seperate swap partitions
[21:55] <zoredache> it doesn't matter much, you should be able to change that later
[21:56] <j_fox> Pardon me, but I am encountering a 100% repeatable (on my system) crash in ubiquity on the xubuntu 7.10 i386 install liveCD, when I enter a particular partition scheme in on the install script. I was wondering if anyone happened to be fluent in the ubiquity program enough to tell me if this is a known problem in this version of ubiquity or a new bug which needs submitted in the bug tracking system for xubuntu, and also if this is due to my
[21:56] <t105> i just read that raiding swap is one of a good idea....
[21:57] <j_fox> t105: I dont know about linux, but in windows, if you have just a bunch of drives with a swap file on each one, windows automatically uses the least busy drive for the swap data it needs to write, so using RAID actually would slow that down... again this is windows Im speaking of, not linux.
[21:59] <t105> hm.. raiding may actually slow down
[22:00] <t105> but at least the system doesn't go down, if one swap is broken. that's some kind of a trade-off, i think..
[22:01] <j_fox> if you have a drive going south the data in swap is not going to be your primary concern unless you are running a large business, yes?
[22:02] <t105> well... not that large, but it's a 24/7 system that shouldn't "beep" at night when i am asleep ;)
[22:02] <j_fox> I run several systems like that. if you don't want the beeps, then you need to stay away from hardware RAID for one. Ive had raid failure alarm go off and wake me up before x.x
[22:03] <j_fox> if you dont like a reboot beep, then it's a piece of cake to remove the piezo speaker from the system case - or mobo if it is integrated. and if its a home server, a spontaneous reboot to a functional system (from a hard crash) is better then a continuous alarm.
[22:03] <deeps> better yet, dont keep servers in the bedroom
[22:03] <j_fox> true that.
[22:05] <t105> *hrhr*
[22:05] <t105> no, the "beep" was a placeholder
[22:06] <t105> it could be just a console output: "unhappy. gonna die. bye, paps"
[22:07] <j_fox> more on the subject, why are you worried so much about keeping data when something is corrupting it? especially in a home server situation I would be much, much more worried about the reason the data was being corrupted in the first place then recovering swap data if its gone south.
[22:08] <j_fox> I find little sense in what people seem to do on the most part, for example, someone buying a bargain basement $10 power supply and then putting three $100+ hard drives in it so they can raid their data.
[22:08] <j_fox> or not running the server off of a line filtering UPS
[22:09] <j_fox> prevent the corruption in the first place, dont worry about recovering from it as much.
[22:09] <TheSheep> and make backups :)
[22:10] <j_fox> to me thats part of preventing the corruption in the first place.
[22:10] <j_fox> but you dont need to back up swap data...
[22:10] <t105> well, i was just exploring, how to prepare the partitions in the installer for use with raid 1. now that question arose, how to deal with swap: create a second pair of raid-volumes, or 2 separate swap partitions
[22:10] <TheSheep> there are two kinds of people: those who make backups, and those who will be making backups
[22:10] <j_fox> Pardon me, but I am encountering a 100% repeatable (on my system) crash in ubiquity on the xubuntu 7.10 i386 install liveCD, when I enter a particular partition scheme in on the install script. I was wondering if anyone happened to be fluent in the ubiquity program enough to tell me if this is a known problem in this version of ubiquity or a new bug which needs submitted in the bug tracking system for xubuntu, and also if this is due to my
[22:11] <j_fox> I actually am much more of the school of thought of node-based computing, when you need data enough to do more then a hard drive with a backup or two of it.
[22:11] <TheSheep> j_fox: there was one bug where thunar volman was mounting the partitions and preventing their formatting
[22:12] <j_fox> check out the archive.org petabox. a think of a hive of worker bees, cooperative storage. data is stored in fragments across the worker bee nodes.
[22:12] <TheSheep> j_fox: try disabling the volman
[22:12] <j_fox> TheSheep: I already did that ;)
[22:12] <j_fox> I noticed that bug when I was using xubuntu 7.04 and I do that every time I install with a liveCD where there were already partitions on the dirve.
[22:12] <j_fox> thanks though
[22:14] <TheSheep> j_fox: other than that, I'm afraid you'd have to search the bug database
[22:14] <j_fox> yeah... Im horrid at searching is the problem.
[22:14] <j_fox> ah well. I guess Ill just have to go with another more common partitioning scheme.
[22:15] <TheSheep> j_fox: or use the alternate cd
[22:15] <j_fox> The problem is the same with the text installer. I have both.
[22:15] <TheSheep> j_fox: or leave room and add other partitions later
[22:15] <j_fox> the odd part is Debian Etch will do them just fine,
[22:15] <TheSheep> not that old
[22:15] <TheSheep> odd
[22:16] <TheSheep> ubuntu stable is still as stable as debian testing ;)
[22:16] <j_fox> That's just it, the way I need to set it up to have what I want it can't wait (to my knowledge) until after Ive installed
[22:17] <j_fox> the problem I have with debian is it feels like most of the other linucies, cobbled together and falling apart at the seams.  Try installing and getting nvidia 3D acceleration. you cant without getting out of X but it doesnt have an easy way of doing that. then you run into the whole problem of having to go to the console to install the nvidia binaries. Talk about troglodytic and just plain poor design
[22:18] <t105> *argh* it moans that there is no /root entry. well, i cant enter it with the "raid volume" option
[22:18] <j_fox> if I was you I would run JBOD and set up a near-raid snapshot backup scheme.
[22:18] <t105> there are just 2 lines: use as raid volume and boot y/n
[22:19] <j_fox> basically making the second hard drive as a near-realtime (every few hours) live snapshot of the main, which is able to become primary should the primary fail I.E. bootable flag set et al
[22:20] <j_fox> if you want raid, that's honestly almost raid depending on how it's set up, and a lot more robust in certain situations
[22:22] <j_fox> and if you are after performance, if you balance the load right across mounts and physical drives, a jbod system can be better performing.
[22:22] <j_fox> granted not by a lot but still]
[22:23] <t105> zoredache: didn't you tell me to create sda&b2 not with ext3 but with that raid option?
[22:23] <j_fox> AHA! the crash happens whenever I create a primary partition with the dont_use filesystem option. that's why I keep getting it.
[22:24] <t105> j_fox: well, there are just 2 drives, and as i don't want a hardware raid (try replacing THAT if it goes down, and they go down)
[22:24] <j_fox> yes I am *NOT* a fan of hardware RAID either.
[22:25] <j_fox> but the issue remains, what do you hope to get out of software RAID that you cannot get out of two individual drives?
[22:25] <t105> however, i.. "just wanted a simple raid 1"... hell ;)
[22:25] <TheSheep> j_fox: you don't manage many servers, do you :)
[22:25] <j_fox> there is no such thing as simple raid.
[22:25] <j_fox> TheSheep: I have in the past. I have found that for NON BUSINESS systems raid is entirely too much trouble
[22:25] <t105> well raid 1 is "just mirroring"... but even that can go wrong.
[22:26] <j_fox> when it comes to businesses and mission critical apps, then yes, hardware raid becomes a must.
[22:26] <j_fox> but I prefer distributed filesystems and volume shadow copies.
[22:26] <t105> but then the controller cost 10 servers that i just have right here ;)
[22:26] <j_fox> more RAIS then RAID - redundant array of independant/inexpensive systems
[22:27] <j_fox> I used to have a DPT PM2865U3 back in the day with 128MB cache ram. it cost me a pretty penny, and I had a 12 disc RAID 50 array on it.
[22:27] <j_fox> that's the card that when ADAPTEC bought out DPT they renamed it the 3200S card and sold it as their own.
[22:28] <t105> with their own bugs? ;)
[22:29] <j_fox> actually no, they inhereted a lot of the bugs from DPT's firmware. they prettymuch used it with their logo... and actually used that firmware to base some later cards off of.
[22:30] <t105> sounds perfect for critical data
[22:30] <j_fox> it was actually a very good card as long as you knew its' exintricities.
[22:36] <j_fox> t105: what I dont get is why you are so hooked on the idea of having a raid1 volume on the system...
[22:37] <t105> well... for tha data to be more protected if one disk fails, maybe?
[22:38] <j_fox> more protected then hourly snapshotting?
[22:38] <j_fox> or what if a power failure happens when the discs are writing... then both can be lost.
[22:39] <t105> the power will be taken care of ;)
[22:39] <j_fox> good. too many people don't run at least a line-interactive UPS.
[22:42] <t105> and many don't know they have to change batteries rather often ;)
[22:43] <j_fox> LOL! definitely true!
[22:43] <j_fox> ive seen UPSes with 10 year old batteries O.o
[22:44] <t105> lucky those packs didn't start "flowing"... acid on the floor is only good for dancing, i guess ;)
[22:44] <j_fox> thats why I started carrying baking soda around in my tech bag.
[22:45] <t105> lol
[22:45] <j_fox> I had to use it a few times.
[22:46] <j_fox> Im actually looking at getting some SAFT electric vehicle batteries for mine, they are the only big maker of NICAD batteries in the size needed for this.
[22:46] <t105> so coming back to raid. i couldn't make it with the installer right the way, because the partitions had no filesystem and no mount point. so / is on sda2 for now. i hope i can change it later to raid?
[22:47] <zoredache> t105: make it for raid..
[22:48] <zoredache> t105: I don't want to be frustrated at you, but it would be good if you scroll back and look at what I had told you...
[22:48] <t105> i tried, but the installer didn't let me. it said - "no root mount point selected, go change that before proceeding"
[22:48] <t105> mom
[22:48] <zoredache> I said.  make the two identical volumes on each drive... make sure they are set to for raid
[22:48] <zoredache> then a NEW option will show up in the paritioner menu to setup raid
[22:48] <j_fox> AHA! I didn't even realize what you meant by that until now
[22:49] <zoredache> choose that item, and you will get set what type of raid you want, choose member volumes, etc.
[22:50] <zoredache> after that a new drive will appear in the partitioner
[22:50] <t105> oiips
[22:50] <t105> ii==oo
[22:51] <j_fox> dont feel so bad, I didnt get what zoredache was saying either >.<
[22:51] <t105> i didn't see that option... well ok it didn't bark at me so i was blind
[22:52] <zoredache> :/
[22:52]  * j_fox strikes her dumb blonde look
[22:52] <j_fox> sorry zoredache it wasnt what you said I think both of us just didnt see what you meant.
[22:52] <t105> now it started installing, i had to reboot. shooting at midnight ;)
[22:53] <j_fox> hm. you must be... somewhere far away from me. LOL never been good with timezones.
[22:53] <t105> well.... there is a part in my memory that's completely erased. the part about modems and slow connections ;)
[22:54] <t105> well.... gmt+1
[22:54] <t105> it's around midnight
[22:54] <j_fox> gmt+5 aka EST here.
[22:54] <t105> maybe i just forgot some special spells or something... #66: never set up a server at midnight
[22:55] <j_fox> shouldnt that be after midnight? because they turn into gremlins? :p
[22:55] <t105> #67: or use dry lunatic-grass powder
[22:56] <j_fox> er...or is EST gmt-5
[22:56] <t105> #67b: fairy-tears will do, too
[22:56] <j_fox> must be -5
[22:57] <j_fox> ok nice to meet you all, it's been a plearure, but the install is done, so I'm ditching this livecd session to config my install.
[22:57] <j_fox> pleasure even
[22:57] <t105> bye bye ;-)
[22:58] <t105> and  a good evening(?)
[22:58] <j_fox> later :) and thanks for the conversation
[22:58] <j_fox> yeah its 5pmish here :) good night to you!
[22:58] <j_fox> ooh 6pm
[23:01] <t105> well, the option was there ;-D
[23:01] <t105> now it's formatting etc.
[23:01] <t105> zoredache: thank you very much so far!!!
[23:02] <zoredache> t105: you don't happen to know about building debian source packages do you?
[23:03] <t105> no, not at all... you mean compiling or developing?
[23:03] <zoredache> I am trying to take a tar.gz package, and build a .deb out of it
[23:04] <t105> hm no, sorry, completely not my area... i was already puzzled with rpm's that didn't work the other day...
[23:04] <zoredache> so I can install it on tons of servers...  I am trying to not do it the lazy way where you just manuall compile and build a binary package...
[23:04] <t105> i would ask mr. google ;)
[23:05] <t105> hm.. wasn't there some sort of deployment project?
[23:05] <zoredache> I am... he isn't being helpful...  The biggest problem is that the program I am trying to debify has tons of hard coded paths all over the place
[23:05] <t105> hm maybe go brutal an grep (or sed?) that stuff...
[23:06] <t105> maybe write some programme that reads all that strings and tests them
[23:07] <t105> and then replaces them in a new package?
[23:07] <t105> there could be som magic regexp for that?
[23:10] <t105> i'm just a 4g programmer, but i would read that file(s) in, create some kind of virtual file system (with all found and matching strings) in memory, and let you manipulate that tree, and after that the files would be combined back together
[23:11] <t105> depends on how the strings are coded (null-terminated or whatever)
[23:11] <t105> so the package doesn't get blown if stringlength differs
[23:12] <t105> zoredache: there is a message "debootstrap warning"... failure with configuring base packages. this will be attempted 5 times.
[23:16] <t105> around 70% comes that message... it's so fast i cant read what is going wrong
[23:17] <t105> sorry 48% comes first error, and right after "console ..." the second time
[23:21] <t105> init..rd and init ram fs or something like that
[23:22] <t105> just can't install, it keeps throwing me out to that install menu
[23:31] <t105> is there a way to fin out, which part goes wrong and why.. whilst installing base system?
[23:31] <t105> something is wrong with ramfs-tools