[00:13] <exarkun> How do I get all bugs related to a project using launchpadlib?
[00:17] <wgrant> exarkun: lp.projects['fooproject'].searchTasks() will give you a sequence of all open bugs. You can pass in a list of statuses to get closed ones too.
[00:17] <wgrant> See searchTasks' docs on https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html
[00:20] <shnatsel> hello everybody
[00:21] <shnatsel> my recipe fails on source stage with bzr errors: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/88943640/buildlog.txt.gz
[00:22] <wgrant> shnatsel: Does your debian/control have a comment at the top?
[00:22] <wgrant> The old version of python-debian that we currently have on the builders doesn't like that very much.
[00:22] <shnatsel> wgrant: no idea, I'm just using the one from lp:libwnck3
[00:22] <shnatsel> wgrant: lp:ubuntu/libwnck, sorry
[00:23] <shnatsel> the recipe is https://code.launchpad.net/~shnatsel/+recipe/libwnck3-backport
[00:23] <exarkun> wgrant: Thanks.
[00:23] <shnatsel> (trying to build newer libwnck with working gir in Oneiric)
[00:23] <wgrant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/libwnck3/precise/view/head:/debian/control
[00:23] <wgrant> There is indeed a comment at the top.
[00:23] <wgrant> Maybe I can convince an admin to upgrade the builders in the next couple of days.
[00:24] <Resistance> out of curiosity, anyone know of any supybot plugins which (given correct python libraries being present) can pull bug data from a project on launchpad, and routinely check for updates?  I'd rather not code one myself
[00:24] <wgrant> jelmer: Is the new python-debian in cat yet?
[00:24] <Resistance> (and google segv's firefox atm... some glitch in cache)
[00:24] <jelmer> wgrant: no, the RT is still open
[00:24] <wgrant> Let's see if we can fix that :)
[00:25] <wgrant> jelmer: Do you know the number?
[00:25] <wgrant> Oh, still 46345?
[00:25] <wgrant> The bzr-builder one?
[00:25] <jelmer> yep
[03:21] <twb> Why doesn't Canonical buy the lp.net domain and 302 it to launchpad.net (like VA does for sf -> sourceforge) ?
[03:21] <twb> Is someone squatting on the domain and asking too much for it?
[03:22] <StevenK> pad.lv?
[03:23] <twb> Eh?
[03:23] <wgrant> StevenK: That's not a full redirect.
[03:23] <wgrant> It's just a few shortcuts.
[03:23] <wgrant> And it's less than obvious :)
[03:24] <twb> Yeah, I mean more like (in apache terms) a full Redirect 302 / https://launchpad.net/
[03:57] <dobey> twb: and yes, lp.net owner is squatting for ridiculous $$
[03:57] <dobey> "please make an offer above our minimum threshold of 1,000 USD"
[03:58] <twb> dobey: OK, thanks
[05:28] <jonrafkind> am I correct in believing that 'copy binaries' copies the binaries that were compiled for one distro to another? and in that case all the dependancies of the binary must be satisified in the new distro?
[05:30] <wgrant> jonrafkind: That's right.
[05:30] <wgrant> jonrafkind: You have to verify that yourself.
[05:30] <jonrafkind> I am not comfortable with that because newer distros might break things
[05:30] <jonrafkind> but I also cannot do a source copy, because then I get an error about the same version already existing
[05:30] <jonrafkind> so I have to make a new package with the new distro in the changelog, and submit that
[05:30] <wgrant> Right.
[05:31] <jonrafkind> uploading what is essentially the same package 4/5 times seems wildly innefficient to me, is there a better way?
[05:31] <wgrant> In a lot of cases copying forwards works fine.
[05:31] <wgrant> You should check and do that if possible.
[05:32] <wgrant> Otherwise, you could perhaps use <https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes>.
[05:34] <jonrafkind> is the benefit here that bzr lives on launchpad and I can issue remote commands to the launchpad server to create packages for me?
[05:35] <wgrant> Right. And it will automatically create multiple versions, appending ~RELEASENAME1 to the version.
[05:36] <jonrafkind> so I would need some sort of svn->bzr thing to make that work..
[05:37] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Imports
[05:37] <jonrafkind> well I mean for every commit of svn I do I would have to mirror it to bzr
[05:38] <wgrant> That's what that's for.
[05:38] <jonrafkind> since of course I would not move to bzr wholesale
[05:38] <wgrant> LP can do that automatically.
[05:38] <jonrafkind> oh
[06:58] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:12] <mrevell> Hello
[09:16] <czajkowski> mrevell: hey happy new year!
[09:16] <mrevell> czajkowski, And to you :)
[09:24] <czajkowski> mrevell: were you watching Mrs. brown ?
[09:29] <mrevell> czajkowski, It was on in the background... :)
[09:30] <czajkowski> it can be kind of funny
[09:30] <czajkowski> but the accent kills me
[12:06] <Oleg|percona> Hi guys
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> I have following problem:
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> oleg.tsarev (0) /storage/dev/percona/rnt-5.1$ bzr merge lp:percona-server/5.1 -r 317..319
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> oleg.tsarev (0) /storage/dev/percona/rnt-5.1$ bzr info
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> Standalone tree (format: 2a)
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> Location:
[12:07] <Oleg|percona>   branch root: .
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> Related branches:
[12:07] <Oleg|percona>   parent branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/percona-server/rnt-5.1/
[12:07] <Oleg|percona>   submit branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/percona-server/5.1/
[12:07] <Oleg|percona> Can anybody help me?...
[12:08] <stgraber> Oleg|percona: seems like bazaar.launchpad.net isn't reachable for you. Can you try "telnet bazaar.launchpad.net 22" to confirm?
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> oleg.tsarev (0) /storage/dev/percona/rnt-5.1$ telnet bazaar.launchpad.net 22
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> Connected to bazaar.launchpad.net.
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> Escape character is '^]'.
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> SSH-2.0-Twisted
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> ¤Ë(ÞâFR÷H$ÆÓËdiffie-hellman-group1-sha1ssh-rsaaes256-ctr,aes256-cbc,aes192-ctr,aes192-cbc,aes128-ctr,aes128-cbc,cast128-ctr,cast128-cbc,blowfish-ctr,blowfish-cbc,3des-ctr,3des-cbcaes256-ctr,aes256-cbc,aes192-ctr,aes192-cbc,aes128-ctr,aes128-cbc,cast128-ctr,cast128-cbc,blowfish-ctr,blowfish-cbc,3des-ctr,3des-cbchmac-sha1,hmac-md5hmac-sha1,hmac-md5	none,zlib	none,zlib©U^[[?1;2c^C
[12:08] <Oleg|percona> stgraber: ^
[12:09] <Oleg|percona> stgraber: Hm, from 5'th or 6'th retry merge was done
[12:09] <Oleg|percona> stgraber: I'm sure this is launchpad problem. All other sites works fine
[12:10] <Oleg|percona> stgraber: http://pastebin.com/kuYxKBha
[12:11] <Oleg|percona> stgraber: oleg.tsarev (0) /storage/dev/percona/rnt-5.1$ ping bazaar.launchpad.net
[12:11] <Oleg|percona> PING bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:11] <Oleg|percona> stgraber: Thank you anyway!
[12:11] <stgraber> ok, definitely looks like a network problem somewhere between your machine and Launchpad. I haven't seen any issue here (been grabbing/pushing branches for the past hour or so) but maybe I was just lucky
[12:13] <stgraber> Oleg|percona: the route from here is completely different from yours, I only share the last two hops
[12:16] <wgrant> Oleg|percona: Can you ping launchpad.net itself?
[12:16] <Oleg|percona> wgrant: oleg.tsarev (0) /storage/dev/percona/percona-server$ ping launchpad.net
[12:16] <Oleg|percona> PING launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:16] <Oleg|percona> 64 bytes from launchpad-net.nutmeg.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=1 ttl=47 time=165 ms
[12:16] <wgrant> Is the route similar?
[17:56] <treaves> Any vas team member around?
[17:56] <treaves> That's v c s .
[17:57] <jelmer> hi treaves
[17:57] <treaves> Heya.
[17:57] <jelmer> I'm not sure what you mean by vcs
[17:57] <treaves> https://answers.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports
[17:57] <treaves> My understanding is that is the team that handles migrations / imports.
[17:58] <jelmer> treaves: somewhat - it's the team that manages the existing code imports
[17:58] <jelmer> treaves: you should be able to request vcs imports from the web interface
[17:59] <treaves> A FAQ stated to e-mail the team when an import was done, and timed imports of an external source where no longer required.
[17:59] <treaves> Yes, I want it stopped.
[17:59] <treaves> So that LP is now the source of record for the repo.
[18:00] <jelmer> treaves: if you own the existing import, you should be able to rename it out of the way and then simply push a new copy up to the current location
[18:00] <jelmer> treaves: if not, then one of us should be able to rename it for you
[18:01] <treaves> Hmm....
[18:01]  * treaves looks for a rename fearure
[18:01] <jelmer> treaves: it's part of the branch properties
[18:01] <treaves> Ah.
[18:01] <jelmer> ("change branch details")
[18:03] <treaves> jelmer: So the name is 'trunk'; are you saying that if I rename it 'import', the auto-sync with the svn will stop?
[18:03] <jelmer> treaves: no, it won't stop (you'll have to delete the branch for that)
[18:04] <treaves> Oh.
[18:04] <jelmer> but it will mean you can then push a branch that's not an import to the branch location
[18:04] <jelmer> (such as a branch that's based on your existing import)
[18:04] <treaves> Gotcha. I'll give that a try.
[18:17] <treaves> jelmer: that seemed to do it.  Thanks much!
[19:35] <rmk> Hello.  I was wondering how I could go about getting a private PPA?
[19:35] <rmk> Even if it were a paid service.
[19:36] <micahg> rmk: please see https://launchpad.net/+tour/join-launchpad#commercial
[19:46] <rmk> Great thank you
[19:55] <EvilResistance> rmk:  afaik its not cheap...
[19:55] <rmk> It's only $250 a year, that's cheap
[19:56] <rmk> At the very least it is quite reasonable :)
[19:56] <EvilResistance> reasonable yes.  affordable to all, no (there's at least 10 reasons I could use a private PPA, but i decided to set up my own debian repository instead)
[19:56] <rmk> Ah, sure.  This is for our company, in which case it is reasonable.
[19:57] <rmk> It wouldn't be for personal use I agree.
[19:57] <EvilResistance> indeed
[19:57] <dobey> depends
[19:58] <dobey> people pay more than that to watch people argue.
[19:58] <EvilResistance> :P
[20:00] <rmk> haha
[20:02] <dobey> or to watch some bands play on stage for a couple hours
[20:03] <dobey> or watch a bunch of grown men run a round a field for an hour
[22:19] <mKn0wt> hello, there, can some one provide me a link or somthing how to translate openerp6 on centos please?
[22:19] <mKn0wt> iam new on erp
[22:19] <mKn0wt> i need translate it to spanish
[23:20] <phillw> hi, could some one point me to the 'How To' to set sub-teams as belonging to a master team?
[23:21] <lifeless> click on 'change details' on the subteam home page
[23:21] <EvilResistance> phillw:  i can help ya if you want, it'd be "Add one of my teams" on the page for the master team
[23:21] <EvilResistance> oop nevermind
[23:21] <lifeless> thats for belong-too
[23:22] <EvilResistance> i see
[23:22] <lifeless> if you want member-of what EvilResistance suggests is correct
[23:22] <phillw> EvilResistance: okies, thanks, can an admin do that, or does it need the owner to do it?
[23:22] <lifeless> erm, clarity: 'owned by' vs 'member of'
[23:22] <lifeless> phillw: what do you want to achieve?
[23:22] <EvilResistance> phillw:  do you want it "owned by" or "member of"
[23:22] <phillw> member of
[23:23] <EvilResistance> i don't know unfortunately...
[23:23]  * EvilResistance hasnt ever done it as non-owner
[23:23] <phillw> for example, we have lubuntu, and we know have sub teams, for example lubuntu-qa. I want them to be shown as 'part of' lubuntu
[23:23] <EvilResistance> mhm...
[23:24] <EvilResistance> well i dont know if the administrator of a group can add the team to another team's list (i.e. "part of Lubuntu")
[23:24] <EvilResistance> you might need owner, but i've never tried as a non-owner
[23:24] <lifeless> owner/admin
[23:24] <phillw> I so love it that our team just expects me to know this stuff :P
[23:25] <phillw> lifeless: okies, so If I start at lubuntu, I can add the sub teams>?
[23:26] <lifeless> if you own/admin ~lubuntu yes
[23:26] <lifeless> if you don't have access to the subteam you can only offer an invite
[23:26] <phillw> I'm sure I'm admin. if not - I'll get them to grant it to their admin person :P
[23:26] <lifeless> just click on add member, put in the name of the team to add, click ok
[23:28] <phillw> lifeless: thanks, how do I delete https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-wiki-docs I set it up as a project by mistake.
[23:29] <phillw> it should be, and is https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs
[23:30] <phillw> it's amazing what missing the tilde can do!
[23:30] <lifeless> done for you
[23:30] <phillw> lifeless: thanks :)
[23:47] <rmk> I've got a new project created with a commercial subscription -- can't seem to find a way to create a PPA
[23:48] <rmk> We're not hosting our code locally, just want to use the ppa functionality for now
[23:49] <spm> rmk: sure, which project - I'll sort that now. PM me if you'd prefer.


[00:05] <uskerine> how can i make a service (nbd) being enabled by default during boot up?
[00:10] <uskerine> how can i define which services are enabled by default?
[00:11] <uskerine> at boot time i would like to know how to enable/disable tftp, dnsmasq and nbd
[01:05] <ThePendulum> Hey
[01:06] <ThePendulum> Is there a way to completely black-out (X)ubuntu until XBMC starts?
[01:07] <ThePendulum> So I don't see a desktop before XBMC gets to start, and preferably no "Xubutu" splash screen?
[02:09] <seb_> How do I downgrade flash from 11 to 10.x ? the new version does not work with my computer.
[02:11] <Unit193> !crosspost | seb_
[02:14] <ruien> seb_ are you not able to completely uninstall flash via your package manager ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/43050/uninstalling-flash-plugin-completely ), and then install the version you want?
[02:15] <seb_> No Ubuntu software center brings me back to verson 11 , when I try to install version 10.x
[06:46] <xubuntu255> hi
[06:47] <xubuntu255> what are the minimum system requirements for xubuntu 12.04
[06:48] <xubuntu255> nobody fucking knows huh?!?!?!?
[06:48] <hobgoblin> why don't you give people a chance to answer
[06:48] <bazhang> !language | xubuntu255
[06:48] <hobgoblin> as it is I can't be bothered now - well done
[06:48] <xubuntu255> sorry thought this was empty
[06:49] <xubuntu255> really....
[06:49] <hobgoblin> with 98 people in the channel
[06:49] <hobgoblin> good luck
[06:49] <bazhang> xubuntu255, no reason to curse
[06:49] <xubuntu255> okayokay.....just was expecting chatter
[06:50] <bazhang> chit chat in #xubuntu-offtopic xubuntu255
[06:50] <xubuntu255> anywho....i have a laptop with 256mb of ram and a 3ghz p4
[06:50] <bazhang> !lubuntu | xubuntu255
[06:50] <bazhang> or get more ram
[06:51] <hobgoblin> I'd +1 both those sentiments
[06:51] <xubuntu255> i just wanted to know....ram i dont have
[06:52] <xubuntu255> xu or lu is the question for me....
[06:52] <xubuntu255> i tried lu and i didnt like it missing right click menus
[06:52] <xubuntu255> xu looks more fuctional
[06:53] <hobgoblin> I'd try xubuntu then - but it will be less than snappy with that RAM
[06:54] <xubuntu255> well...i installed ubuntu on it and it never really fully booted...and i left it on all night,
[06:54] <hobgoblin> I am not surprised
[06:55] <xubuntu255> lol i know...i might go with lu cause its faster...but i like the way xu looks....i just need it to you know actually boot
[06:56] <xubuntu255> im going to use alt installer either way obvoiusly
[06:57] <xubuntu255> i could just install lu and then install xu's gui later right?
[06:58] <xubuntu255> change my desktop environment to xu's look.
[06:58] <hobgoblin> why not try a minimal install and build it up from there, might be better
[06:58] <xubuntu255> i have the hdd space....
[06:59] <hobgoblin> you could do that - but if you install xubuntu-dekstop you'de be bakc where you started - so just install the minimum you can
[06:59] <hobgoblin> I don't knwo which xfce things you would need though - someone else will - but you'll have to wait and see
[07:00] <xubuntu255> but i could restart and switch my desktop envirement back to lxde if gnome runs to slow????
[07:00] <hobgoblin> logout
[07:00] <xubuntu255> right....
[07:00] <xubuntu255> ya.
[07:00] <hobgoblin> and not gnome but xfce
[07:01] <xubuntu255> oh...sorry confused
[07:02] <xubuntu255> thanks
[07:02] <xubuntu255> appreciate your help....
[07:13] <xubuntu175> good morning
[07:14] <hobgoblin> it is
[07:14] <xubuntu175> I can not install 12.04, receiving message  via686a base address not set - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr
[07:15] <hobgoblin> I've had that - usually it just carries one - I think you could add that line to the boot line when you start the live cd
[07:18] <xubuntu175> ok thank you i will try it
[07:18] <xubuntu175> bye
[07:19] <hobgoblin> welcome
[08:17] <uskerine> hi, how can i install updates from command line?
[08:17] <uskerine> is it just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[08:17] <knome> yes
[08:17] <knome> (with sudo)
[08:17] <uskerine> is that exactly the same as the gui update manager (the red exclamation mark icon)
[08:17] <uskerine> ?
[08:18] <hobgoblin> it does the same thing
[08:18] <uskerine> i got the following message while doing it:
[08:18] <uskerine> "The following packages hae been kept bacjk"
[08:19] <uskerine> linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[08:19] <uskerine> why?
[08:19] <bolapara> uskerine, use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade
[08:20] <uskerine> what is the difference?
[08:20] <uskerine> i am in 12.04
[08:20] <uskerine> what dist-upgrade does?
[08:21] <bolapara> it will pull in the held-back packages
[08:21] <knome> uskerine, dist-upgrade upgrades packages that must be upgraded simultaneosly
[08:21] <Unit193> update only updates packages already installed, dist-upgrade will install new packages if needed.
[08:22] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apt-get
[08:22] <Unit193> For more info
[08:23] <uskerine> what is recommended as regular server maintenance?
[08:23] <Unit193> Personally, I use dist-upgrade every day with no issues, but YMMV.
[08:23] <bolapara> upgrade is a bit safer as it only upgrades what is currently installed.
[08:24] <uskerine> YMMV, what does that mean?
[08:24] <bolapara> but i use dist-upgrade almost exclusively
[08:24] <Unit193> "Your mileage may vary"
[08:24] <uskerine> but dist-upgrade will install only new packages required by upgrades of the existing ones, right?
[08:24] <Unit193> Yep, exactly.
[08:24] <uskerine> so it is reasonablily safe
[08:24] <Sysi> bolapara: upgrade upgrades, dist-upgrade also installs new software, like kernel
[08:25] <bolapara> dist-upgrade can do things like remove dependencies which are no longer needed, install new packages
[08:25] <bolapara> Sysi, exactly
[08:25] <uskerine> so for example, in a fresh 12.04 installation
[08:26] <uskerine> why linux-headers-3.2.0-254 linux-headers-3.2.0-24-generic and linux-image-3.2.0-24-generic is being installed
[08:26] <uskerine> is it going to replace my kernel with 3.2?
[08:26] <uskerine> i have 3.2.0-23
[08:26] <baizon> its an upgrade
[08:26] <knome> you already have 3.2
[08:26] <baizon> bugfixes for your 3.2 kernel
[08:26] <uskerine> ok
[08:26] <uskerine> bugfixes are good as long as they do not break anything
[08:27] <Sysi> it doesn't replace, it installs new one parallel, it will be used on next boot
[08:27] <uskerine> ok
[08:27] <knome> uskerine, they shouldn't, but regressions are always possible with any upgrades
[08:27] <baizon> uskerine: if the new one doesnt work you can still boot from the old one
[08:27] <uskerine> ok
[08:28] <uskerine> i have two xubuntu used as LTSP servers
[08:28] <uskerine> i would like to sync users created in one into the other one
[08:28] <uskerine> any recommendation?
[08:34] <bolapara> uskerine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
[08:34] <bolapara> non-trivial
[08:34] <uskerine> what about NIS, is it easier?
[08:35] <bolapara> they are both non-trivial to setup and maintain.
[08:36] <bolapara> i mean, not difficult per se, just effort.  but it is very helpful if managing multiple servers
[08:36] <bolapara> ldap is much more modern of a system than nis is
[08:36] <bolapara> if you have little experience, setups some test systems to play with it
[08:36] <uskerine> i installed nis a long time ago
[08:36] <uskerine> but i don't remember too much about it
[08:37] <uskerine> what about rsync /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/group?
[08:37] <bolapara> that sounds to me like a bad idea.  i'd rather setup ldap
[08:40] <Sysi> if you're using two machines for performance, you maybe should setup ltsp-cluster
[08:41] <uskerine> i am using two machines for redundancy rather than for performance
[08:41] <uskerine> what does ltsp-cluster in terms of user management for me?
[08:44] <Sysi> well, with it you could use both machines and it doesn't seem very hard to set up, so kind of workaround
[08:45] <uskerine> but if i add a new user
[08:45] <uskerine> where do i have to add it?
[10:58] <fikri> hi
[10:58] <fikri>  im using xubuntu 12.04
[10:58] <fikri> is there anyone using it?
[11:11] <pAt__> fikri, you are honestly asking this in a xubuntu channel?
[11:13] <fikri> yes
[11:13] <fikri> thanks
[11:13] <fikri> be right back
[11:13] <fikri> i had some business to settle
[11:33] <knome> Sysi, congrats for kapsi
[11:34] <Sysi> I got account within 15 minutes from making wish to join :P
[11:34] <knome> heh, congrats for that too
[11:34] <knome> took me some days, but was okay because i had a plan how to migrate over *a month*
[11:41] <fikri> So
[11:42] <fikri> here i can ask some question if i had some problem about xbuntu?
[11:42] <fikri> or is there ubuntu geeks here?
[11:44] <knome> !ask
[11:57] <fikri> Why Xubuntu cant find AT/AMD driver?
[11:58] <Sysi> Additional drivers dialog doesn't suggest it?
[12:05] <fikri> already do it
[12:05] <fikri> but it say failed
[12:05] <fikri> already do it few times
[12:13] <fikri> brb
[12:13] <fikri> want to restartr
[12:34] <fikri> anyone from Msia here?
[14:36] <fikri> I think XUbuntu had some problem with AMD Graphic
[14:36] <fikri> I already tried a few times using additional driver
[14:36] <baizon> what hardware?
[14:37] <fikri> But after activate it
[14:37] <fikri> it said
[14:37] <fikri> Sorry, installation of this driver failed
[14:37] <fikri> look at the log file for details /var/log/jockey.log
[14:37] <baizon> fikri: so download it from the homepage
[14:37] <baizon> and install from sources
[14:38] <fikri> ATI/ AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver
[14:39] <fikri> is there AMD /ATI installer from the sources itself?
[14:41] <baizon> fikri: yes there is one
[14:41] <baizon> fikri: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[14:51] <fikri> ok
[16:22] <uskerine> i have moved /etc/sudoers to /etc/sudoers.backup
[16:22] <uskerine> and now I no longer can do "sudo"
[16:22] <uskerine> is there any way to fix this up?
[16:23] <Sysi> boot to rescue mode and copy .backup back in the name of original
[16:23] <uskerine> how do i boot in rescue mode?
[16:23] <Sysi> select it in grub menu, hold shift when booting if you don't see it
[16:24] <uskerine> shift?
[16:25] <uskerine> recovery mode?
[16:25]  * drc just shakes his head and goes to get another cuppa....
[16:25] <uskerine> i got read-only file system
[16:27] <uskerine> Sysi, any idea on how to copy the file back with the read-only filesystem?
[16:28] <uskerine> (actually mount shows / as "rw")
[16:45] <felipemee> hi
[17:09] <Wertti> Hello! How do I know whether I am running "Ubuntu" or "Xubuntu"? "cat /etc/*-release"C gives the same output on both systems.
[17:09] <uskerine> Swhichi is the "proper" way of shutdown xubuntu from command line while connected through ssh?
[17:10] <uskerine> whichi is the "proper" way of shutdown xubuntu from command line while connected through ssh?
[17:10] <uskerine> which is the "proper" way of shutdown xubuntu from command line while connected through ssh?
[17:10] <uskerine> sorry
[17:10] <Wertti> i would use "sudo poweroff", it works
[17:11] <uskerine> is that an organized "shutdown"?
[17:13] <Wertti> yes
[17:30] <qinaga> ok this is one really quiet channel...xubuntu not very popular or what?
[17:31] <pleia2> this is a support channel, it's only used when people have problems/questions
[17:32] <Sysi> I consider this quite active channel
[17:32] <Sysi> IRC isn't really online even if it appears like it would be
[17:34] <qinaga> pleia2:  one way to interpret your statement is to assume the xubuntu users don't really have a lot of problems with the distro... :)
[17:34] <ChristopherNg> hello, is there anyway i can get pacman to work with xubuntu?
[17:34] <ChristopherNg> i really like the AUR and want to be able to use them
[17:35] <aguitel> no
[17:36] <aguitel> install archlinux with xfce4
[17:40] <ChristopherNg> aguitel: yes but i would like to maintain the xubuntu link
[17:41] <pleia2> it doesn't work, it's a completely different infrastructure, if you want the xubuntu themes the project for that is at http://shimmerproject.org/
[17:44] <aguitel> what link ??
[18:18] <ChristopherNg> +ignore +PARTS +JOINS +NICKS +QUITS
[18:19] <Sysi> almost
[18:19] <Unit193> /
[18:19] <ChristopherNg> yeah it was a typo
[18:20] <Unit193> Nicks could be handy if you are talking to someone.
[20:28] <uskerine> hi, which service do i have to restart to get the system re-read /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:49] <cypher-neo> Hello, I just installed Xubuntu 12.04. I'm having an issue. Every time that I restart my computer, the top panel does not seem to save my preferences. When it loads after a restart or update, all the elements on the panel are shuffled around.
[20:49] <cypher-neo> How do I make then stick in one place?
[20:51] <cypher-neo> Primarily it appears that one Seperator I placed in the panel does not load.
[20:51] <cypher-neo> Any ideas on how to keep the Seperator there?
[20:52] <cypher-neo> Anyone?
[20:54] <dooglus> hi #xubuntu.  I installed ubuntu 11.04 yesterday, then installed package xfce on top of it.  I'm missing a bunch of icons.  and idea what package I might need?
[20:54] <pimperle> dooglus: install the xubuntu-desktop package
[20:54] <dooglus> pimperle: I don't want all those apps
[20:54] <pimperle> it's a metapackage that will pull in all dependencies for a full xubuntu installation
[20:55] <Sysi> dooglus: install tango icon theme, if you already have gnome icon theme
[20:55] <pimperle> then you could install all its requirements manually and skip those you do not want
[20:56] <dooglus> pimperle: here's what it would pull in though: http://privatepaste.com/dab789b4ff
[20:56] <dooglus> Sysi: I have the tango icon theme - I guess it's part of ubuntu
[20:57] <cypher-neo> Hello. I installed Xubuntu 12.04. Got an issue. Every time the computer needs to restart, the top panel does not save... so on a restart every element in the panel is either in a different location or missing. Can anyone help?
[20:57] <dooglus> looks like <xubuntu-icon-theme is what I need
[20:57] <pimperle> dooglus: i have no idea, which packge contains the missing icons. why not install everything except the packages you sure know aren't at fault? that's what i'd do. :)
[20:58] <dooglus> pimperle: I pay through the nose for downloads
[20:58] <pimperle> ouch
[20:58] <dooglus> $300 last month!
[21:05] <cypher-neo> Can anyone answer me, please?
[21:08] <Sysi> cypher-neo: you should probably try completely wiping your settings, log out, press Ctrl Alt F6 and login to console, rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4 ; rm -rf ~/.cache
[21:28] <lucky___> hi all
[21:29] <lucky___> I cant get my system to boot
[21:30] <lucky___> anyone have any expertise in boot issues?
[21:31] <drc> lucky___: Then throw it away...it's obvious from all the details you've told us that it will never work.
[21:31] <drc> i.e., a few details might help.
[21:32] <lucky___> I have 12.4 xfce 64 bit
[21:33] <lucky___> It has never displayed any boot info
[21:33] <lucky___> now just passes post and runs a blank screen
[21:34] <lucky___> ctrl-alt-del are the3 only key combos that do anything
[21:39] <lucky___> I thought this should be a simple issue
[21:39] <mongy> lucky___,  you might need nomodeset
[21:39] <mongy> !nomodeset
[21:39] <lucky___> pardon "nomodeset?
[21:40] <lucky___> thank you
[21:45] <lucky___> I  looked up the link for "nomodeset"
[21:45] <lucky___> how woud i set that up using the original live disk
[22:02] <stripe> hi all is this the xubuntu help channel?
[22:03] <GridCube> yes
[22:03] <stripe> thanks GridCube
[22:04] <GridCube> !ask | stripe
[22:04] <GridCube> :)
[22:06] <stripe> nvidia graphics tearing, gts450 card, 295.53 driver any ideas?
[22:13] <StormStrikes> Can anyone lend assistance in setting up a shared folder.  It worked fine under vanilla Ubuntu, but is not under Xubuntu
[22:14] <StormStrikes> I have a folder set up in which I can scan from my printer and save it to my home directory (folder named Scanner) but when I set up the printer it says it has no write permissions
[22:14] <GridCube> !faq | StormStrikes
[22:14] <GridCube> mmmh that link is wrong
[22:15] <StormStrikes> yeah, I just got a page not found
[22:15] <GridCube> StormStrikes, http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[22:15] <GridCube> faq 1
[22:16] <StormStrikes> Thanks.  I have gvfs-backends installed.
[22:16] <GridCube> so it doesnt work?
[22:17] <StormStrikes> I also have the samba gui installed and the folder is completely open.  I can see and write to it from my other computer. Just not from the printer
[22:17] <holstein> StormStrikes: you cant see or write to what from the printer?
[22:18] <StormStrikes> Right.  When I scan a page it says it cannot write to the folder Ive set up to save the scan to.
[22:18] <StormStrikes> I had it set up under Ubuntu and it worked perfectly, but for some reason it cannot write to it under Xubuntu
[22:19] <holstein> StormStrikes: xubuntu *is* ubuntu, so i would just take some time and tweak.. im sure you'll sort out how to get what you need
[22:19] <StormStrikes> When I run a test from the printers web server, it tests fine, sees the folder, but tells me it has no write permissions
[22:19] <holstein> StormStrikes: i usually find samba issues are permissions errors
[22:20] <StormStrikes> Well yeah, I understand that, however, when I right click a folder in Ubuntu (Nautilus) I have all the share options there, but thats not so under Xubuntu with Thunar
[22:20] <holstein> StormStrikes: user nautilus if you prefer
[22:20] <StormStrikes> Hmmm, that I have not tried, guess I could give that a shot.
[22:20] <GridCube> using nautilus on xubuntu can bring lots of problems
[22:21] <holstein> yup
[22:21] <StormStrikes> oh really?  Well crap, LOL
[22:21] <holstein> nautilus is just making some changes that you can make
[22:22] <GridCube> StormStrikes, have you tried gigolo?
[22:22] <StormStrikes> I even tried using iftop to see what name the printer was using to send that request to write.
[22:22] <StormStrikes> No, I have not tried gigolo yet.
[22:22] <StormStrikes> let me look at that.
[22:22] <holstein> i would just refer to the samba wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba and use gigolo as GridCube suggests
[22:53] <esmth> hello
[22:53] <GridCube> !hello esmth
[22:53] <GridCube> !hello  | esmth
[22:53] <GridCube> !hello | esmth
[22:53] <esmth> ??
[22:53] <GridCube> picky bot
[22:53] <GridCube> !hi | esmth
[22:54] <esmth> im installin xubuntu on a macbook pro
[22:54] <GridCube> :D nice
[22:54] <esmth> u play minecraft?
[22:54] <GridCube> no i do not
[22:54] <esmth> oh its fun
[22:54] <GridCube> theres a channel for minecrafters #minecraft
[22:55] <GridCube> :) i know i used to play a few years ago
[22:55] <esmth> i know haha
[22:55] <esmth> nice
[22:55] <GridCube> esmth, if you just want to chatter would you mind going to #xubuntu-offtopic, this channel is for support :)
[22:55] <esmth> ok
[22:58] <StormStrikes> Well no luck with gigolo.  It too sees the folder, but is not letting me connect.  When I add my password and click connect it just wipes it out and does nothing.
[22:58] <GridCube> are you trying to connecto a windows share that has a password for sure?
[22:59] <GridCube> i mean sometimes windows computers dont use a password
[22:59] <GridCube> i don't know how thats handled
[22:59] <StormStrikes> Okay, had not thought of that, let me try real quick.
[22:59] <StormStrikes> thats not working either.
[22:59] <GridCube> mmhm
[23:01] <GridCube> StormStrikes, its not like i dont want to help, but i dont know how to, maybe you will get better help asking on #samba
[23:01] <StormStrikes> sorry to be such a nuisance.  I just didnt expect this issue working with Xubuntu, LOL.  I thought it worked perfectly with Ubuntu, so I should have no issues there.
[23:01] <StormStrikes> No I understand.
[23:01] <GridCube> for many people it just works
[23:02] <StormStrikes> Yeah, it seems like a simple thing.  In Ubuntu I just right clicked, shared and was good to go, LOL.
[23:03] <StormStrikes> And its not like the printer doesnt see the folder, it does, just cant write to it.
[23:06] <GridCube> mmmmmmmmmmmaybe its on read only mode
[23:07] <StormStrikes> Yeah, thats what I thought.  But I set the folder to be read/write by others in the permissions
[23:08] <GridCube> mmmhm, maybe... you are not part of the samba users group?
[23:09] <StormStrikes> Nope, checked that too.  I wasnt initially, but added myself after I found that I wasnt
[23:10] <StormStrikes> Im leaning heavily that its a samb configuration issue, but Im not sure what.  Ive looked at the smb.conf file and do not see anything popping out at me.
[23:13] <StormStrikes> Hmmm, go figure, the samba users file, smbusers is empty.
[23:14] <StormStrikes> But Im not sure that is it though.  That would result in the printer telling me the credentials are wrong and thats not what its saying.  It just says it cant write to the specified folder
[23:24] <StormStrikes> I guess the better question, then, would be to ask if anyone has an HP OfficeJet Pro 8600 setup in Xubuntu and can scan to a network folder.
[23:29] <chelz> StormStrikes: i've never scanned stuff on linux but everyone says sane is the tool
[23:29] <chelz> to get it to a network folder you could script that
[23:31] <StormStrikes> chelz: yeah, I suppose I could do that.  But the HP has an automatic document feeder that makes all the docs I have to scan really easy.  And it seems inconceivable that if it works in Ubuntu, it wouldnt in Xubuntu
[23:31] <chelz> StormStrikes: if you try to do what you do in ubuntu with xubuntu it doesn't work?
[23:32] <StormStrikes> Right.  In fact, I did a long write up in the Ubuntu forums about how to get the HP 8600 to work in Ubuntu.  It took a while to figure it out, but it works in Ubuntu and I set it up the exact same way in Xubuntu
[23:33] <StormStrikes> It sees the folder Ive set up, it just cant write to it for some reason.
[23:39] <harryman100> Hi, does anyone have any suggestions for debugging an issue I'm having. logging in through lightdm it hangs but only with certain users (from LDAP), local users are fine, logging in on the console works without delay


[21:10] <slangasek> bdmurray: sru-remove seems to want to unsubscribe sru-verification from the bugs, and I don't have access to do that.  Should the sru team be a member of sru-verification?
[21:11]  * bdmurray looks
[21:11] <bdmurray> I don't know what will happen with email in that case. sru-verification is subscribed to all SRU bugs but so is the SRU team...
[21:22] <infinity> bdmurray: Pretty sure we'll only get one copy, if that's what you mean.
[21:33] <bdmurray> infinity: yeah, that's what I was worried about.
[21:38] <bdmurray> slangasek: so it seems like it'd be helpful for sru to be part of sru-verification.
[21:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok. looks like you're an administrator, want to add sru to sru-verification? :)
[21:41] <slangasek> alternatively, does it even make sense to have sru-verification subscribed anymore?  since they're by and large not the group doing the verifying
[21:45] <bdmurray> slangasek: Oh, I guess the team was created before one could subscribe to tags in Launchpad. So there really isn't much need for the team anymore.
[21:45] <bdmurray> People wanting to do verification could just subscribe to the v-needed tag.


[00:27] <G> ajmitch: I gave up on that when I saw Chorus' ADSL cabinet planning
[00:28] <G> "Yeah, lets do suburb X and Y now, and come back in two years time and do the two major exchanges in between then"
[00:31] <ajmitch> G: it was just amusing putting in my friend's address & seeing them right in the middle of a blank area for UFB
[00:35] <G> the problem (imo) with UFB/RBI is the misinformation, Orcon insist I'll be able to get Fibre 'sometime not too far away' yet I'm outside the UFB zone, and the fibre running down the road won't be upgraded for RBI
[00:35] <ibeardslee> "UFB deployment dates for your area are still being developed"
[00:35] <ibeardslee> sigh
[00:35] <ibeardslee> mind you, I do have TelstraClear cable
[00:36] <ajmitch> G: yeah I've had the advertising from snap saying that UFB is available, but it's not yet
[00:37] <G> exactly, only upgrade I know for certain I'm getting is a RBI Cabinet in ~14-15 months
[00:38] <G> Joe Bloggs down the street would see the Orcon thing and go "Oh neato, this is great" with massive disappointment down the line
[00:38] <ajmitch> I know that UFB will be available on my street at some point in the coming months
[00:39] <ajmitch> undecided whether it's worth me going for it or not
[00:39] <G> ajmitch: actually your example is worse, because someone could see that and put it in a Real Estate listing not realising it's not true yet, and effectively lie (without realising it)
[00:56] <ojwb> something untrue is a real estate listing?
[01:07] <hads> ajmitch: For me UFB is cheaper than a phone line and DSL connection
[01:12] <ajmitch> hads: it might be for me, I'm on a 12-month lease at the place I'm living so it might depend on whether UFB is available before the lease needs renewed
[01:15] <hads> Phoneline ($50) & Telecom 60GB ADSL ($115) so $165 total compared to 100GB UFB at $110
[01:17] <ibeardslee> hads: is a voip account extra on top of that?
[01:17] <ajmitch> phone & 125GB cap on DSL for $95 for me with snap
[01:18] <hads> 30/10 UFB with Snap is $75/month
[01:18] <ajmitch> hads: who are you going with for UFB provider?
[01:18] <hads> Snap, only real option at the moment.
[01:18] <hads> ibeardslee: There's VoIP included in that.
[01:18] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought there might be a few more options by now, but I guess it's still early days
[01:19] <hads> I'd be interested to see what Telecom offer, they seem to be the ones with International bandwidth
[01:19] <hads> I'm not confident that Snap are going to be any good in that respect.
[01:20] <ajmitch> they always say that they've got enough & that they don't saturate the links, but I see a few people complaining about bad international speeds
[01:20] <hads> Yeah, I was one of them in 2009 before I switched to Telecom
[01:20]  * ajmitch doesn't download enough when watching the speed
[01:21] <hads> I transfer media over to the US and AU for people and notice it quite a lot.
[01:21] <hads> Being able to hit line speed with Telecom DSL is nice e.g. 1.8MB/s down from Linode
[01:23] <ajmitch> yes, that is nice
[01:36] <G> hads: $115 in total for Telecom? Wowah, ~$100 for ~150GB iirc atm
[01:36] <G> errr 165
[01:41] <hads> G: Telecom "Business" DSL
[01:48] <G> hads: ahh right of course
[02:02] <lifeless> oh good ISP discussion
[02:03] <lifeless> hads: Telecom lets you hit line speed?
[02:03] <lifeless> hads: I've *never* gotten line rate out of Telecom beyond noddy speed tests, and *never* during peak period.
[02:03] <lifeless> AFAICT their backbone to Rangiora is saturated, but try getting them to own up to it.
[02:10] <chilts> does a "Business" plan actually mean anything more than higher prices?
[02:10] <chilts> I've never been sure
[02:12] <G> chilts: iirc it goes through a different internal network at Telecom once it crosses their border
[02:23] <hads> lifeless: Yup, that 1.8MB/s is rsync+SSH so no weird results from HTTP speedtests.
[02:24] <hads> chilts: You get to call people in NZ when something goes wrong.
[02:25] <chilts> I guess it's the support that's different
[02:25] <chilts> ah, I see, different network too
[02:25] <chilts> maybe more reliable :)
[02:26] <hads> I don't recall any downtime in the last 2.5 years actually. Not sure if their residential has had any.
[02:27] <hads> https://twitter.com/nicegear/status/272888056141471744/photo/1
[02:28] <hads> https://twitter.com/nicegear/status/272889319256100864/photo/1
[02:28] <ajmitch> hads: let's hope you don't have too many horror stories with snap & UFB
[02:28] <hads> Fingers crossed. I'm keeping one of the two DSL lines for the moment :)
[02:29] <lifeless> hads: what city are you in ?
[02:29] <hads> Timaru
[02:29] <lifeless> interesting
[02:29] <hads> s/city/town/
[02:29] <lifeless> hads: Timary is a city, surely
[02:29] <hads> Not quite, ~27k or so.
[02:31] <G> To be fair to Telecom, all the issues I've had w/ ADSL lately have been physical line issues (and you can't really blame them today for the silly decisions made 10-20 years back)
[02:32] <chilts> too unclear here as to whether you are a town or a city. In Blighty you are a city if you have a catherdral, else you're a town (or less)
[02:32] <chilts> of course, this was the original rules - that has now changed
[02:32] <chilts> I believe Milton Keynes is now considered a city
[02:33] <chilts> or maybe not "Milton Keynes competed for formal city status in the 2000, 2002 and 2012 competitions, but was not successful." -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes
[02:34] <chilts> so you 'compete' to become a city
[02:35] <ajmitch> I think it used to be 20k people was considered a city here
[02:35] <hads> I think it's 30k?
[02:36] <ajmitch> if you can believe wikipedia, it says 20k prior to 1989
[02:36] <lifeless> wikipedia is always right
[02:37] <ajmitch> sure
[02:37] <lifeless> ajmitch: add a /!\ cite ? :)
[02:41] <chilts> if Palmerston North is 75k, maybe that's a city too
[02:42] <ojwb> chilts: the "has a cathedral" thing in the UK hasn't been entirely true for ages
[02:44] <ojwb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom
[02:45] <chilts> yeah, fair enough
[02:45] <chilts> ages being?
[02:45]  * chilts reads
[02:46] <chilts> "In the twentieth century ..."
[02:46] <chilts> so somewhere between 1900-1999 it changed :)
[02:47] <ojwb> probably 1907, if you read further
[02:48] <chilts> ah yeah, minimum 300,000 etc
[02:51] <ojwb> the first city which didn't happen to also have a cathedral is hard to determine from that article, but Cambridge doesn't have one
[02:52] <chilts> interesting reading though
[02:56] <ojwb> (to be uncharacteristically pedantic, 20th century would be 1901-2000)
[09:34] <chilts> fmarier: wow, pretty much everyone on NodejsNZ missed my humour on that post! :(
[09:34] <chilts> except you
[09:34] <chilts> hmm
[09:43] <fmarier> chilts: yeah and that last post is so wrong. web performance matters, a lot
[09:43] <fmarier> unless of course your site doesn't matter :)
[17:50] <ojwb> morning
[18:31] <mwhudson> morning
[18:36] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:52] <hads> So far not a great start to UFB. Was on hold to Snap for 25 minutes to ask about low speed (20Mbit/s national) and they said to wait 48 hours.
[18:55] <ojwb> stupid updater
[18:55] <ojwb> wifi drops and it instantly gives up
[18:55] <ojwb> at least the downloaded packages seem to be cached
[18:55] <ojwb> is that fixed in a newer version?
[18:56] <ojwb> this is upgrading from whatever the one is which has recently gone out of support
[19:13] <ajmitch> morning
[19:13] <ajmitch> hads: I suppose you got the 100/50 plan?
[19:22] <Atamira> good morning
[19:23] <Atamira> hads, you're on snap? how do you find it?
[19:24] <ibeardslee> hads: is that to warm up the wires properly?
[19:30] <ojwb> stupid thing died again
[19:33] <hads> ajmitch: Yeah 100/50
[19:33] <hads> Atamira: I've been on Snap for about 12 hours, not excited so far.
[19:33] <hads> ibeardslee: Yes I think it must be
[19:34] <Atamira> ahh, my friends been trying to talk me into it. its cheaper than orcon for the amount of gigs i use
[19:34] <Atamira> swears its worth it
[19:34] <ajmitch> 20Mbps national on a line that can do 100 is pretty poor, I hope that's a simple fix
[19:34] <Atamira> but then again, he swore that telecom was it as well
[19:35] <hads> ajmitch: Me too, last night they told me to call back today, today they told me to call back in 48 hours.
[19:39] <ajmitch> it wouldn't be so bad if they explained why, e.g. looking for congestion or problems
[19:40]  * ajmitch has always had good dealings with snap support, but has heard from others that they seem disorganised & don't communicate well
[20:25] <chilts> morning


[09:13] <tsdgeos> Cimi: how's the review of scopes_more_things_on_memory going?
[09:30] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hey, any luck with the ppa?
[09:31] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: no the personal ppa's are worthless
[09:31] <pstolowski> :(
[09:31] <tsdgeos> need to use one that is phone enabld
[09:31] <tsdgeos> we have one
[09:31] <tsdgeos> but mzanetti was using it for something else
[09:31] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: are we done with it?
[09:31] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: sure. you approved the branches
[09:34] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so how do i take over? :D
[09:34] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I think you should have permissions
[09:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I'd suggest to just drop the existing packages
[09:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: then go to your branch, create a packaging recipe and target that ppa
[09:35] <mzanetti> that's how I do it usually... you can also manually dput if you prefer that
[09:36] <tsdgeos> i'll dput
[09:36] <tsdgeos> it's somethin i have some knowledge of how to try to do
[09:37] <tsdgeos> ok packages deleted
[09:37] <tsdgeos> now let's add stuff
[09:58] <tsdgeos> Cimi: there's a change in card-visual-tweaks i don't understand
[09:59] <tsdgeos> let's see if you can help me
[09:59] <tsdgeos> Cimi: run make tryCard
[09:59] <tsdgeos> and select Art, header, summary - overlaid
[09:59] <tsdgeos> the "gray" area is with this patch quite bigger than without
[09:59] <tsdgeos> and i don't see why
[10:09] <tsdgeos> uhmmm
[10:09] <tsdgeos> is it actually a regression of scope_more_things_memory?
[10:10] <tsdgeos> and now i can't find a difference
[10:10]  * tsdgeos scratches his eyes
[10:10] <tsdgeos> ouch that hurt
[10:12] <tsdgeos> ok, can't see a difference anymore
[10:26] <tsdgeos> JohnLea: ping
[11:17] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:41] <yecril71pl> Hello, what do I need to have nautilus run over ssh?
[12:59] <mzanetti> seb128: hey, what's the recommended way to launch system settings from a build dir without installing?
[13:00] <seb128> mzanetti, hey, it's "don't"
[13:00] <mzanetti> :(
[13:00] <mzanetti> really?
[13:00] <seb128> sorry we just don't support that atm
[13:00] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ubuntu/phone-right-edge/+packages has it
[13:00] <seb128> qml import paths are no fun
[13:00] <mzanetti> seb128: hah... works quite well for me :D
[13:00] <tsdgeos> kgunn: https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ubuntu/phone-right-edge/+packages has the list bottom edge thing, who should be testing it?
[13:00] <seb128> mzanetti, you probably know qt better than us, patches are welcome ;-)
[13:01] <mzanetti> seb128: ok
[13:01] <seb128> mzanetti, we didn't figure out how making it load locale plugins
[13:01] <seb128> mzanetti, usually we just sudo cp over the system version, which sucks but sort of work...
[13:01] <seb128> sudo cp; system-settings on your command line and call that back every time you do a change
[13:03] <tsdgeos> mterry: ping
[13:03] <mterry> tsdgeos, hello!
[13:03] <tsdgeos> mterry: can you merge trunk over pull to referesh?
[13:03] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh sure
[13:04] <tsdgeos> mterry: also i was wondering about that style thing
[13:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, no conflicts...?
[13:04] <tsdgeos> mterry: don't know, just doesn't build as of now :D
[13:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh let me test
[13:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, the style sure, what about it?
[13:05] <tsdgeos> mterry: so you're only removing the activityindicator?
[13:05] <tsdgeos> or doing more things?
[13:06] <mterry> tsdgeos, removing the activityIndicator is most of it. Also adjusting height, but I think I could have done that with default style
[13:06] <mterry> I'm using same strings as normal style
[13:06] <seb128> kgunn, hey, any new about getting the unity8 rtm vcs updated?
[13:06] <tsdgeos> mterry: because the style exposes refreshIndicator which we may just use to disable it instead of that big chunk of code?
[13:07] <mterry> I looked into that and determined we couldn't... let me find out why
[13:09] <mterry> Oh...  I also fixed a bug in the SDK with how the text fades in/out
[13:12] <mterry> tsdgeos, ok well besides fixing the text fading bug, the style instance is a super private variable of StyledItem (__styleInstance).  And refreshIndicator is only exposed by the Ambiance theme.  So hiding refreshIndicator that way would be extremely brittle
[13:13] <tsdgeos> we do use __styleInstance in other places afaik
[13:13] <tsdgeos> actually, no, just on a test
[13:14] <tsdgeos> mterry: the other option is actually inheritnt from the Ambience theme
[13:14] <tsdgeos> taht we actualyl do quite a lot
[13:14] <tsdgeos> and then you can just set the property there to false
[13:15] <mterry> tsdgeos, I wondered about that, but wasn't sure how.  And wouldn't it require the ambience theme to be installed?
[13:15] <tsdgeos> it would
[13:15] <tsdgeos> but it's our default theme
[13:15] <tsdgeos> it's a "requisite" anyway
[13:15] <mterry> tsdgeos, not normally of u8, right?  Just of Ubuntu
[13:15] <tsdgeos> see ./qml/Dash/DashContentTabBarStyle.qml:17:import Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance 0.1
[13:16] <tsdgeos> or ./qml/Dash/PageHeader.qml:19:import Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance 1.1
[13:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: we use it, so we depend on it
[13:16] <mterry> tsdgeos, looks like there's a bug in our packaging then, since debian/control doesn't capture that dependency  :)
[13:16] <tsdgeos> that may be
[13:16] <mterry> tsdgeos, well anyway.  That's *why* I did it like I did.  If you like I can inherit from Ambiance.  I'm personally not thrilled with that solution, but if we already do it...
[13:17] <tsdgeos> mterry: i personally prefer less code than more code
[13:17] <tsdgeos> and sure the dependency is not super awesome
[13:17] <tsdgeos> but if it still works i'd prefer that
[13:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, OK.  I can work on that today
[13:18] <tsdgeos> if it has other issues we can leave it
[13:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, it will be slightly uglier because of the SDK text fading bug
[13:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, but I can file an LP bug about that, maybe it will get fixed in time
[13:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: ok, then leave it and add a TODO
[13:18] <tsdgeos> we don't want ugl
[13:18] <tsdgeos> and file the bug
[13:18] <kgunn> seb128: yeah, just confirmed with mzanetti what we do
[13:19] <seb128> kgunn, thanks
[13:19] <tsdgeos> mterry: and move it to a different file to GSV is ultra big as it is :D
[13:19] <mterry> tsdgeos, (to be specific, the two text labels fade in/out, but the text actually changes immediately, before the fade-out.  Looks really weird)
[13:19] <tsdgeos> mterry: it = the style
[13:19] <mzanetti> kgunn: ?
[13:19] <tsdgeos> mterry: yeah i just saw looks very bad
[13:20] <tsdgeos> mterry: so let's do this, keep the code with a TODO to evaluate the use of the standard style, file the bug and move the style code to a different file to clutter GSV less, works for you?
[13:20] <mterry> tsdgeos, sure, will do
[13:20] <tsdgeos> awesome :)
[13:22] <kgunn> mzanetti: i'll sync up unity8/rtm from the unity8 trunk
[13:22] <kgunn> seb needs it
[13:22] <mzanetti> ah, right, that one
[13:33] <kgunn> seb128: done
[13:34] <seb128> kgunn, mzanetti, excellent, thanks!
[13:35] <mzanetti> seb128: btw, I've simplified this one (https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/update-reset-launcher/+merge/234309) as your team wished, and also am implementing a fix in the launcher to actually do the reset in real time
[13:36] <seb128> mzanetti, thanks, the CI run suggest you have a merge conflict
[13:37] <mzanetti> can't be :D
[13:38] <mzanetti> seb128: yeah, I had one, then I deleted everything and started from scratch because I got confused by it
[13:38] <mzanetti> seb128: so old ci run, but code should be fine
[13:38] <seb128> mzanetti, ok, great, thanks
[13:39] <seb128> mzanetti, if you make unity8 update without restart then we can drop the "need to restart" dialog ;-)
[13:39] <mzanetti> is there a restart dialog? didn't see that. but yeah, we can drop that
[13:45] <mterry> tsdgeos, done
[13:46] <tsdgeos> paulliu: ping
[13:46] <tsdgeos> mterry: cool
[13:59] <paulliu> tsdgeos: hi
[13:59] <tsdgeos> paulliu: was going to say we may need to make the "mascot" of the previewheader a bit bigger
[13:59] <tsdgeos> but let's leave it for later
[14:00] <paulliu> tsdgeos: ok.
[14:07] <tsdgeos> mterry: have you tried on the phone?
[14:07] <tsdgeos> doesn't seem to play very nice with the apps scope
[14:07] <mterry> tsdgeos, I did.  What are you seeing?
[14:08] <tsdgeos> mterry: the bar doesn't go back to its intial height in some cases
[14:08] <tsdgeos> say 30%
[14:08] <tsdgeos> and then when you change to the next scope
[14:08] <tsdgeos> the list changes vertically when there doesn't seem to be a need
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, 30% of screen?
[14:09] <tsdgeos> not your bug most probably
[14:09] <tsdgeos> 30% of the times
[14:09] <tsdgeos> it's a few pixels ususally
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, it's a small gap, right?
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah, that was there when I got there  :)
[14:09] <tsdgeos> noticeable enough that if you scroll horizontally it will shrink
[14:09] <tsdgeos> mterry: what was there?
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, yes I've seen that, it was there
[14:10] <tsdgeos> mterry: before your patch?
[14:10] <mterry> tsdgeos, righ
[14:10] <mterry> t
[14:10] <mterry> let me double check on the other phone I have
[14:11] <mterry> just to be safe, but I remember seeing that when I was first playing with pulling
[14:12] <tsdgeos> that's weird
[14:12] <mterry> tsdgeos, ah hold on
[14:12] <mterry> tsdgeos, I can't reproduce on mako/utopic
[14:13] <mterry> tsdgeos, so maybe it's either my branch or krillin/rtm, will get back to you
[14:13] <cwayne> Cimi: hey, you seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/savilerow/+bug/1375822
[14:14] <tsdgeos> mterry: it'd be safer if you trigger the refresh once the thing has gone back to its initial state, seems you do it a bit earlier now
[14:14] <mterry> tsdgeos, perhaps -- I would have hoped that wouldn't screw anything up, so either delay refresh or fix that bug
[14:15] <tsdgeos> mterry: LVWPH is not designed for lots of things happening at the same time :D it's better if you delay the thing until the body is again in place
[14:16] <mterry> tsdgeos, OK will confirm I added the bug (seems likely at this point) and try to fix
[14:16] <mterry> tsdgeos, good catch
[14:16] <tsdgeos> mterry: nice )
[14:17] <mterry> My memories of seeing it before I mucked with the code must have been wrong.  Makes me worried; I feel old and senile now
[14:24] <mterry> tsdgeos, updated
[14:44] <tsdgeos> mterry: that feels much better doesn't it ?
[14:45] <mterry> tsdgeos, eh.  It doesn't stick anymore so that's nice.  But I'd still prefer instance refresh + no sticking
[14:45] <tsdgeos> he he
[14:45] <tsdgeos> you want it all!
[14:45] <mterry> I'm high maintenance
[14:46] <tsdgeos> mterry: why a rectangle?
[14:47] <tsdgeos> can't pullToRefreshClippingRectangle be a Item ?
[14:48] <tsdgeos> mterry: also update .pot
[14:48] <mterry> tsdgeos, (oh we do that manually?  I always think we do that automatically)
[14:48] <tsdgeos> we don't
[14:48] <tsdgeos> make pot_file
[14:48] <tsdgeos> i think
[14:48] <mterry> tsdgeos, good question re: item.  I feel like I might have had a reason, but don't know what it would be, since I make the rectangle transparent
[14:49] <tsdgeos> yeah
[14:49] <tsdgeos> transparent rectangle
[14:49] <tsdgeos> seems like you want an item :D
[14:49] <tsdgeos> unless pulltothingie
[14:49] <tsdgeos> wants a rectangle as parent
[14:49] <tsdgeos> that'd be weird
[14:49] <mterry> tsdgeos, let me just try replacing it...
[14:49] <mterry> tsdgeos, no it doesn't care
[14:49] <mterry> tsdgeos, manual pot updates inside of branches seems like a recipe for conflicts
[14:50] <tsdgeos> mterry: correct D:
[14:50] <mterry> I feel like there should be one per-silo update
[14:50] <tsdgeos> yeah
[14:50] <mterry> Yeah...  pot updates inside of branches is stupid
[14:50] <tsdgeos> now how do we do that?
[14:50] <mterry> tsdgeos, well as part of making a silo, we could add a pot update branch...  but it would have to include all the silo branches
[14:51] <tsdgeos> yeah
[14:51] <tsdgeos> i don't know
[14:52] <tsdgeos> other teams do a manual push after land
[14:52] <tsdgeos> we can do that
[14:52] <mterry> tsdgeos, I think I was using the Rectangle during debugging, to see where it was -- the joiner point between header and content is weird
[14:52]  * mterry is testing Item
[14:53] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what do you think about a manual push after silo land to update the .pot?
[14:53] <mzanetti> manual push to trunk?
[14:53] <mterry> tsdgeos, branch uses Item now
[14:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah lots of projects do that for the .pot update, since "doesn't need review, it's just an automatical thing done manually"
[14:54] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I guess that might be an issue with the rtm sync though
[14:55]  * tsdgeos shrugs
[14:55] <mterry> tsdgeos, I've also updated pot though I hate it
[14:55] <tsdgeos> mterry: ok
[14:55] <tsdgeos> let's hope we don't get much conflicts
[14:56] <mterry> tsdgeos, it's a guaranteed conflict with any other pot update, becasue the pot header timestamp changes
[14:56] <mterry> So only one string change branch per silo
[14:56] <tsdgeos> mterry: vote for https://bugs.launchpad.net/cupstream2distro/+bug/1359667
[14:56] <mterry> Seems crazy
[14:58] <tsdgeos> it is crazy
[15:00] <mterry> mzanetti, tsdgeos, do we care about rtm sync for pot?  Why does rtm need to have latest pot?
[15:00] <tsdgeos> mterry: i don't know, kgunn, mzanetti, seb128 and more people were discussing it yesterday
[15:00] <tsdgeos> there seems to be the fact we have a rtm branch and noone really knows why
[15:01] <mzanetti> :D
[15:01] <mzanetti> well... I kinda do know why
[15:01] <mzanetti> we're just not using it, in unity8 at least
[15:03] <tsdgeos> but someone said we were?
[15:04] <kgunn> i hazily recall saviq wanted it so we'd run ui tests as part of landing in silos ?....but can't remember how that would be forced
[15:04] <kgunn> seb wanted
[15:04] <kgunn> it
[15:04] <kgunn> updated
[15:05] <mterry> But for all those reasons, who cares if the rtm pot file lags a release?
[15:14] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, thanks for the ppa
[15:29] <seb128> mterry, because the pot before the update didn't include "Restart" and that string couldn't be translated in the rtm serie and was showing in english on e.g my french phone
[15:30] <mterry> seb128, but that's a lag of 1 release -- which will happen anyway even if we update pot at release time in both places
[15:30] <mterry> seb128, by the time the next rtm lands, it will get the translations from utopic series, right?
[15:31]  * mterry might not understand how rtm translations are generated
[15:31] <seb128> mterry, they are imported from the pot in the vcs rtm serie
[15:31] <seb128> mterry, dunno what you define 1 release
[15:31] <seb128> mterry, the rtm vcs didn't have a commit since septembre 9
[15:32] <seb128> mterry, that was wrong/outdated in any case, no point have a rtm vcs if that doesn't contain what is in the rtm pocket
[15:32] <seb128> mterry, what's the issue with having the vcs updated with the actual code from the serie it should reflect?
[15:33] <mterry> seb128, so Utopic releases U1, syncs that release to rtm as R1, then updates its pot.  U2 gets released with translations from that pot, syncs as R2 which includes the pot from U1.  Wouldn't rtm at that point be able to take translations that have been made between U1 and U2?
[15:34] <seb128> mterry, when is u8 updating its pot?
[15:34] <mterry> seb128, oh I don't have an opinion on what should be in the rtm vcs itself -- I'm fine with it being reflected.  I think unity8 is just being a bit lazy about it because we keep in sync
[15:34] <seb128> I don't understand why there is a vcs serie if trunk is what is used in rtm
[15:34] <seb128> but
[15:34] <mterry> seb128, right now...  We do it as part of the silo
[15:35] <mterry> seb128, but I want to do it immediately after silo release
[15:35] <seb128> - the translations are currently defined by rtm/po/unity8.pot
[15:35] <seb128> - that was lacking "Restart"
[15:35] <seb128> -> therefor that item couldn't be translated on the rtm image
[15:35] <seb128> asking for the vcs to be updated was one solution
[15:35] <seb128> I would have been happy with another one
[15:36] <seb128> mterry, but yeah, translations in upstream projects suck compared to translations in ubuntu where the pot is updated during the package build
[15:36] <mterry> hrm yeah sounds like an orthogonal but related problem from when precisely the pot is updated
[15:36] <seb128> we need a way to make the pot autoupdated by launchpad on commits
[15:36] <seb128> or daily
[15:37] <mterry> seb128, tsdgeos pointed me at bug 1359667
[15:37] <seb128> we keep having outdated pot
[16:17] <dandrader> dednick, could you chime in here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1373966/comments/4
[16:35] <dednick> dandrader: yup. just did
[16:35] <dednick> dandrader: dont know if what i said will help though
[16:38] <dandrader> dednick, what's a "prompt provider" and a "trust helper"?
[16:38] <dednick> dandrader: heh.
[16:39] <dednick> dandrader: trust helper is what starts and manages a trust session.
[16:39] <dednick> prompt provider is the child ui.
[16:39] <dednick> dandrader: trust helper does not have any stake in unity8
[16:41] <dednick> dandrader: the application (web browser, etc) asks a trust helper service to start a trust session with a prompt provider (login ui)
[16:42] <dednick> so ends our complicated nomenclature judo
[16:44] <dandrader> dednick, I have a faint recollection that you sent me a URL with a diagram of this whole thing....
[16:44] <dandrader> some time ago
[16:45] <dandrader> or was it me just asking that same question months ago
[16:45] <dednick> dandrader: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/drawings/d/1Sx3Q6IugYY0DjrQfN3em6PBhyeNotXtYAa4UioVdT8c/edit
[16:46] <dandrader> dednick, thanks!
[16:47] <dednick> dandrader: or this is probably more accurate now: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/drawings/d/1IFSCWt_lOe5VPDf7PdplVwyHwimChtJKp1iW5UdlkHY/edit
[16:48] <dandrader> ah, ok
[19:19] <dandrader> racarr, ping
[19:25] <dandrader> racarr, commented on some of your pending MPs
[20:12] <ted> mterry, Can we turn your branch into an MR so I can make a silo to put things together?
[20:12] <ted> mterry, It can be WIP.
[20:12] <ted> mterry, It seems my phone doesn't have enough space to get all the deps to build U8. It's grown.
[20:18] <mterry> ted, OK.  I'm in the middle of some sort of awful internet problems.  I'll try to push and propose.  I'm also debugging new changes to the branch, to get the content itself to adjust
[20:19] <ted> mterry, K, I just want to get all the indicators and U8 together so we can test them.
[20:19] <ted> mterry, Also, do you know if there's a system settings branch to add the MessagesWelcomeScreen value setting?
[20:21] <mterry> ted, no I don't know
[20:27] <ted> Wow, system settings has a bunch of proposed branches.
[20:28] <mterry> ted, guh.  I need to go to a coffee shop.  My home internet is so awful I can't even push a branch
[20:28] <mterry> ted, in meantime, feel free to take that junk branch, put it in a team branch in unity8 space and make a fake WIP proposal
[20:28] <mterry> else I can hopefully do it when I'm back up
[20:29] <ted> K
[20:29] <ted> mterry, I can do that, but another idea is to SSH somewhere with screen and do it.
[20:31] <racarr> dandrader|bbl: Thanks :) will iterate on them
[20:32] <ted> mterry, Hmm, there's a "showAllUI" do you know what that is?
[20:33] <mterry> ted, yeah but these 5 bytes per second I'm getting, I need to move elsewhere
[20:44] <mterry> ted, OK back from Starbucks
[20:46] <ted> mterry, I didn't get a chance to push yet. Do you want to?
[20:46] <mterry> ted, sure
[20:48] <racarr> dandrader|bbl: Should be all updated :)
[20:48] <racarr> thanks
[20:50] <mterry> ted, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-profiles-test/+merge/236613
[23:13] <dandrader> racarr, you forgot this one https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/platform-api/support-state-changing/+merge/235545/comments/579554


[00:43] <Pici> pleia2: You I'm not completely paying attention, but it seems these trolls are hitting #u-w and #freenode at the same time. And that fellow from before was klined/killed so I removed his bans.
[00:43] <pleia2> thanks again Pici :)
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[07:52] <knome> morning jussi01
[07:52] <jussi01> morning knome
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <knome> morning daniel
[09:53] <elky> cyclical troll is cyclical
[13:10] <bazhang> someone masquarading as dr-willis?
[13:11] <Pici> yay, idoru killed it
[13:11] <Pici> although it seems to have killed a legitimate user too,
[13:11] <Pici> TylerPlack1: Can we help you?
[13:13] <Mamarok> Pici: he doesn't answer since yesterday
[13:13] <Pici> toodles
[13:14] <Pici> tomaw: ping, possible issue with idoru (not an immediately serious one though).
[13:15] <bazhang> that user looked familair, checking logs now
[13:15] <tomaw> Pici: oh?
[13:17] <Pici> tomaw: Looks like if a nick repeats what another user has said a buch of times, it removes both the legitimate user, and the bot. See scrollback in #ubuntu for dr_willis1 and autoclesis for example.
[13:17] <bazhang> * [Dr_Willis1] (~dhanesh@<IP_ADDRESS>): purple
[13:17] <Pici> Probably not a big problem, but I don't want to see people exploiting this to get good users killed by idoru.
[13:18] <tomaw> hrm
[13:29] <Pici> bazhang: banforwarding here
[13:32] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, hi
[13:32] <Dr_Willis1> hi bazhang
[13:33] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, this is neoraj ?
[13:33] <Dr_Willis1> what is that neoraj
[13:33] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, your previous nickname to this one
[13:34] <Pici> bazhang: I don't see that in my logs.
[13:34] <Dr_Willis1> no no bazhang
[13:34] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, okay, what was it then?
[13:35] <Dr_Willis1> what are you asking i dont understand
[13:36] <Dr_Willis1> what are you asking i dont understand bazhang
[13:37] <mneptok> Dr_Willis1: is your usual nick Dr_Willis (without the 1)?
[13:37] <Pici> bazhang: I need to run for a few minutes, can you figure out what this fellow was doing?
[13:37] <Dr_Willis1> yes it is bazhang
[13:37] <bazhang> Pici, sure
[13:37] <Pici> with the repeating and whatnot.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis1>  with the repeating and whatnot.
[13:38] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, you were repeating what other users were..
[13:38] <mneptok> Dr_Willis1: do you remember the password you created when you registered the nick Dr_Willis?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis1> how are you bazhang
[13:38] <bazhang> back in a moment
[13:39] <Dr_Willis1> yes mneptok why are you asking that
[13:40] <mneptok> Dr_Willis1: please use "/msg NickServ ghost Dr_Willis $PASSWORD" (using the correct password for your nick) to disconnect the other Dr_Willis client.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis1> oh i understand mneptok
[13:40] <mneptok> great. please do that now.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis1> sexy
[13:41] <Dr_Willis1> sexy mneptok
[13:42] <Dr_Willis1> michael jackson do you like mneptok
[13:42] <mneptok> not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
[13:42] <Dr_Willis1> what do you mean mneptok
[13:43] <mneptok> exactly.
[13:43] <mneptok> !staff Dr_Willis1 impersonating other users and feebly trolling. like, very feebly. it's not even schadenfreude-type amusing.
[13:44] <mneptok> gah
[13:44] <Dr_Willis1> what exactly
[13:44] <mneptok> !staff
[13:44] <mneptok> ^^^^^^
[13:44] <bazhang> he is spoofing Dr_willis
[13:45] <bazhang> still not found that user in logs, will continue to look
[13:46] <mneptok> 06:05 -!- greekphreak<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[13:46] <bazhang> nice :)
[13:46] <mneptok> 06:22 -!- dhanesh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[13:47] <mneptok> a g: on that IP would be most welcome
[13:49] <bazhang> also in as dhanesh right now
[13:51] <bazhang> dhanesh, hi
[13:54] <bazhang> dhanesh, you are forwarded here, as you were using the nick Dr_Willis1 and had some kind of repeater script on
[13:54] <bazhang> dhanesh, you are forwarded here, as you were using the nick Dr_Willis1 and had some kind of repeater script on
[13:55] <bazhang> yikes
[13:55] <mneptok> one of the clinical definitions of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome.
[13:55] <topyli> buttons make me do that
[13:55] <dhanesh1> i have banned from #ubuntu please tell them to retake me bazhang
[13:56] <bazhang> dhanesh1, you were spoofing another users nickname and repeating multiple times others users input
[13:56] <bazhang> dhanesh1, specifically Dr_Willis1
[13:56] <dhanesh1> please tell them to retake me iam forgiving them bazhang
[13:57] <bazhang> dhanesh1, forgiving who?
[13:57] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[13:57] <dhanesh1> forgiving #ubuntu people bazhang
[13:58] <bazhang> dhanesh1, you were the one doing something wrong
[13:58] <bazhang> whoops
[13:58] <knome> dhanesh,
[13:58] <mneptok> wheee!
[13:58] <bazhang> well this could take a while
[13:58] <bazhang> hehe
[13:58] <knome> oops. bazhang ^still here
[13:59] <bazhang> knome, I think it died
[13:59] <knome> that didn't make much sense. :)
[13:59] <knome> probably, but weird still
[13:59] <bazhang> likely bazhang1 is next nick
[13:59] <knome> hehe
[13:59] <knome> or dazhang?
[14:00] <ghmol> iam sorry
[14:00] <bazhang> ghmol, okay...ugh
[14:01] <knome> hah
[14:01] <knome> gotcha!
[14:01] <knome> ;]
[14:01] <knome> bbl ->
[14:12] <Pici> @login
[14:12] <Pici> <.<
[14:13] <topyli> put house in mailbox
[14:30] <mneptok>  /connect Freenode
[14:30] <mneptok> "You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike"
[14:30] <mneptok>  /join #ubuntu
[14:31] <mneptok> "You are in danger of being eaten by a grue."
[14:39] <bazhang> * [dhanesh] (~dhanesh@<IP_ADDRESS>): purple ban evading it seems
[14:45] <dhanesh> what are you doing mneptok
[14:45] <mneptok> putting an end to your ban evasion.
[14:45] <dhanesh> why mneptok
[14:46] <dhanesh> why are you doing this to me mneptok
[14:46] <mneptok> ban evasion is against Freenode policy
[14:47] <dhanesh> please dont do iam sorry mneptok
[14:47] <mneptok> why did you impersonate another user?
[14:47] <mneptok> why did you repeat inputlines of other users?
[14:47] <mneptok> why did you evade a ban?
[14:48] <mneptok> i'm quite interested to know these things.
[14:48] <mneptok> as are other ops.
[14:48] <dhanesh> no i will do not do it again sorry if i do again you can do it
[14:49] <mneptok> the question was not "will you do it again?" but "why did you do it?"
[14:50] <dhanesh> just played  sorry
[14:50] <dhanesh> can you retake me mneptok
[14:51] <mneptok> i have no confidence that your remorse is sincere.
[14:52] <dhanesh> no no iam sorry
[14:52] <mneptok> thus, the ban will stay in effect for at least 24 hours. feel free to /join this channel after that to discuss things.
[14:52] <dhanesh> why mneptok
[14:52] <dhanesh> iam sorry
[14:53] <mneptok> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consequences
[14:53] <dhanesh> oh good idea mneptok
[14:53] <dhanesh> thank you very much
[14:54] <mneptok> you're quite welcome. see you in 24 hours if you're still interested in getting the ban removed.
[14:54] <dhanesh> we are friends from now onwards
[14:54] <dhanesh> what do you mean mneptok
[14:55] <dhanesh> yes iam interested in removing ban
[14:55] <mneptok> i mean "/part this channel and return in 24 hours if you want to discuss the ban"
[14:55] <bazhang> dhanesh, return in 24 hours to discuss
[14:55] <bazhang> whoops sorry
[14:55] <mneptok> there will be no further discussion of it today.
[14:56] <dhanesh> ok ok sorry iam forgiving you
[14:57] <dhanesh> will you forgive me
[14:58] <dhanesh> will you forgive me mneptok
[14:58] <bazhang> dhanesh, please return in 24 hrs.
[14:58] <dhanesh> ok bazhang
[14:59] <bazhang> dhanesh, until that time you need to exit the channel
[14:59] <dhanesh> ok now i will exit
[14:59] <bazhang> bye
[14:59] <bazhang> sorry to interrupt mneptok
[15:00] <mneptok> no worries
[15:00] <topyli> it's alright bazhang, dhanesh forgives you
[15:00] <bazhang> topyli, haha
[15:00] <mneptok> bazhang: sexy interrupt forgive you how are you do you like cheese
[15:01] <topyli> heh
[15:01] <bazhang> :0
[15:01] <topyli> either a language barrier, or a troll. i can't tell
[15:03] <persia> trolls like cheese :)
[15:43]  * Mamarok likes cheese, too
[15:44] <Seeker`> mmm, cheese
[15:56] <elky> Keep them away from my brie!
[15:56] <Seeker`> ewww
[15:56] <Seeker`> Cheddar for me!
[15:56] <elky> triple cream brie... omnomnom
[15:56] <knome> cheese stinks
[15:56] <elky> or a nice havarti
[16:05] <Mamarok> Gruyère here :)
[16:06] <mneptok> i cultivate some lovely stuff between my toes. hearty and smoky, and playful on the afterbite.
[16:11] <Mamarok> smells like one of Switzerland's most smelly cheeses: Appenzeller
[20:06] <IdleOne> can someone please ask ryax.. to stop the windows/troll talk in -offtopic
[20:06] <IdleOne> thank you
[20:10] <ryaxnb_> guess who?
[20:10] <ryaxnb_> I feel it is unfair that someone has to stop when another person demands it.
[20:11] <ryaxnb_> This rule doesn't seem to be enforced or clearly seperated and could easily  be spammed
[20:11] <ryaxnb_> For instance, i could (but i won't) spam the !stop to get everyone to stop talking randomly and until i was banned, everyone would have to comply? Seems strange.
[20:12] <Pici> Common sense is required as well.
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> well, i again feel i was abiding by the code of conduct
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> i looked it over.
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> There is nothing in there that says that legitmate rants are prohibited.
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> As long as they are directed at products not people.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> It does say hate is discouraged, but i wasn't hating.
[20:13] <tsimpson> respect for others is also a part of the CoC, you should respect that others disagree with you
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> i read that as well.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> i respect that.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> Idleone did not
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> He was demanding I stop.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> Even though it was just a disagreement
[20:13] <tsimpson> where did he "demand" this?
[20:14] <rocket16> Friends, the Channel #ubuntu-offtopic is owned by a few people like Atomik-spark, Bazhang and so on.
[20:14] <ryaxnb_> And according to the CoC, that is no call to stop, so much as to consult others.
[20:14] <rocket16> They all, offend newcomers like me, and they even ban us, when we want to discuss anything there.
[20:14] <rocket16> And, even more, they never discuss Ubuntu matters, but all rubbish things.
[20:14] <ryaxnb_>  I just requested. I do not need to be an op. any user can request offtopic chat to be stopped
[20:14] <ryaxnb_> from idleone
[20:15] <rocket16> I request the respected Operators here, to take an action.
[20:15] <ryaxnb_> that sounds like he is saying he has the same authority as an op to "request" (read: annoy me until i stop)
[20:15] <Pici> rocket16: Do you have an active ban in -offtopic right now?
[20:15] <ryaxnb_> when according to the CoC we should consult others
[20:15] <rocket16> Pici: No, when I tried to discuss an Ubuntu matter, they banned me temporarily,
[20:15] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: that's not how I interpret that message at all
[20:16] <ryaxnb_> To see where the disagreement lies.
[20:16] <maco> rocket16: it's called "offtopic" for a reason, so dont be surprised at the lack of ubuntu chatter
[20:16] <rocket16> maco: Thanks, but they should not insult us like that,
[20:16] <ryaxnb_> For instance, IMHO we should have IDK, maybe asked spaceghost and dmsuperman, who were also in the debate
[20:16] <Pici> rocket16: one moment.
[20:16] <ryaxnb_> if it should continue on or if we were all pooped out.
[20:16] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: an operator taking action is always the last resort, the rules are always bets enforced by the community
[20:16] <rocket16> maco: Also, we too, have the freedom to discuss light-weight Ubuntu matters, but not anything rubbish there.
[20:17] <rocket16> Pici: Sure,
[20:17] <ryaxnb_> tsimpson, i realise that.
[20:17] <ryaxnb_> but frankly i wasn't doing anything wrong.
[20:18] <ryaxnb_> So the rules are a bit iffy, because he was requesting forcefully at a point when I had done nothing.
[20:18] <ryaxnb_> He wasn't being very respectful, calling me a troll when i clearly had no intention of trolling
[20:18] <rocket16> The four people, who always do insults there are "UberNacho, Atomik-spark, Seveas, buzhang"
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> on the contrary, i was attempting a lively debate with spaceghostc2c
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> rocket16, it is AtomicSpark and UberTaco.
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> IRIC
[20:19] <rocket16> ryaxnb_: Yes, but UberTaco renamed himself to be UberNacho for a while
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> anyway
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> I will leave once i get an answer.
[20:20] <ryaxnb_> Do you think honestly , IdleOne was being disrespectful
[20:20] <ryaxnb_> I believe he was.
[20:20] <ryaxnb_> and inconsiderate as well.
[20:20] <tsimpson> let me read over the back scroll for -offtopic
[20:21] <ryaxnb_> you are scrolling the chat like a troll now
[20:21] <ryaxnb_> -IdleOne
[20:21] <ryaxnb_> 12:04 PM PST.
[20:22] <ryaxnb_>  IdleOne 12:02 PM PST /rantcount ryaxnb
[20:22] <ryaxnb_>  5 bajillion zillion million lines
[20:25] <Pici> rocket16: Can you give me an example of someone insulting you? I'm looking through my logs, but things aren't exactly clear.
[20:25] <ryaxnb_> and also, back to my original compaint, stopping on a dime is unreasonable. Especially when you haven't gone against the CoC or any of the documents i've seen regarding how to behave on #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:26] <rocket16> Pici: Sure, may I post it to pastebin?
[20:26] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: all he did was ask you to stop the windows related discussion, he could have been more tactful sure
[20:26] <Pici> rocket16: Sure
[20:26] <ryaxnb_> did you see my quotes
[20:26] <ryaxnb_> he called me a troll and a ranter.
[20:26] <ryaxnb_> that's more than asking to stop.
[20:26] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: I have the full log myself
[20:26] <tsimpson> I can see it now
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> well if you claim he "just asked me to stop"
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> your missing something
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> because those two lines indicate he also insulted me in a minor way
[20:27] <maco2> ryaxnb_: i think tsimpson  was still reading
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> which unlike asking someone to stop, is AGAINST the CoC
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> maco2: ah.
[20:28] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: your response to "please stop" was:
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> OK
 IdleOne, no.
 i will stop if an op requests ...
[20:28] <tsimpson> was that also disrespectful?
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> I realise that may not have been the best response
[20:28] <tsimpson> or were you two just getting a little heated?
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> I do not feel it was disrepectful.
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> It's not an either-or choice.
[20:28] <maco2> "stop punching me!" "not until a police officer tells me to!" sounds like a more extreme version of your answer
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> The real answer is it was not disrespectful because as i had done nothing wrong.
[20:29] <ryaxnb_> I simply said no
[20:29] <ryaxnb_> maco2, except i wasn't punching anybody now was i?
[20:29] <maco> ryaxnb_: as i said, more extreme
[20:29] <rocket16> Pici: Really, thanks for your help. The link is:http://pastebin.com/cpw2e93Z It is a log I got from my .xchat2 folder.
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> Saying No is an acceptable answer when somebody asks you to do something that you don't want to and you have been following the rules.
[20:30] <Myrtti> *punch* "black vw!" "stop it" "not until mum says so"
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> I didn't say "F*** off"
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> I just said no.
[20:30] <maco> the point is that if someone is bothered by what youre doing and asks you to stop, its a valid request even if they lack the authority to punish you
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> well, i didn't insult him because of his request
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> do you view the second line as an insult?
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> I just said no.
[20:31] <ryaxnb_> And said i wouldn't stop because i didn't feel like it, i had done nothing wrong, and he had no authority.
[20:31] <ryaxnb_> I didn't insult him at any time.
[20:31] <tsimpson> [20:05:51]<ryaxnb_> haha fakeop.
[20:31] <tsimpson> [20:05:56]<ryaxnb_> !ops IdleOne
[20:31] <tsimpson> this is not taunting him?
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> That was because he continued requesting
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> even after I said no.
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> that was a mistake.
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> anyway, the !ops call could have just as much been for violating the CoC by calling me a troll.
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> which is a legitmate violation, no?
[20:33] <tsimpson> you'd already responded to that message with "<ryaxnb_> i'm not trolling."
[20:33] <tsimpson> and "<ryaxnb_> I have legitmate points, even if you already know them, SpaceGhostC2C does not"
[20:33] <ryaxnb_> he didn't seem to agree, for he continued to ask me to stop and made no attempt to recant his comment
[20:33] <ryaxnb_> he also claimed authority.
[20:34] <tsimpson> he didn't ask you to stop after that, just that "<IdleOne> I just requested. I do not need to be an op. any user can request offtopic chat to be stopped"
[20:34] <tsimpson> which is not a claim to authority
[20:34] <ryaxnb_> seems like it
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> Because in truth a valid formal request (as  in  a request you must heed)
[20:35] <tsimpson> I think you both just got a little antagonistic towards each other, and took each message in its worst possible meaning
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> can only be made either if you violated the CoC or by an op.
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> anyway, that might be true
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> cya
[20:36] <tsimpson> ok, thanks for discussing this with us
[20:36] <rocket16> Pici: Friend, my sincere request, please stop those #ubuntu-offtopic people there, if possible,
[20:36] <Pici> rocket16: I don't seem to see you requesting to talk about any Ubuntu matters?  You asked if there were any Windows Haters in the channel (which didn't make a good impression).
[20:36] <ryaxnb_> I will now apologize to idleone btw
[20:37] <rocket16> Pici: But, that meant nothing but, a comparison between Ubuntu and Windows. I needed help, since Windows users always make fun of us.
[20:38] <rocket16> Pici: Also, that is an Ubuntu channel. In Windows channel, people insult Ubuntu a lot.
[20:38] <Pici> And the people in -offtopic are silly.  I'm not sure if its a language problem, but you seem to take exception to it.
[20:39] <Myrtti> since I don't hate Windows, I can be excluded from the group of possible helpers
[20:39] <rocket16> Pici: Oh, ok.
[20:39] <Pici> rocket16: That doesn't make it okay.
[20:39] <rocket16> Pici: Sorry, what doesn't make it okay?
[20:39] <Myrtti> also: their wrongdoings do not justify yours
[20:39] <Pici> rocket16: what Myrtti said
[20:40] <Myrtti> it's about you, not them.  You are responsible for your own actions
[20:41] <Myrtti> Spreading antagonism always goes both ways, btw.
[20:41] <Myrtti> there's always backslash.
[20:41] <rocket16> Myrtti, Pici But they did it first, and as another user said, they never do welcome people, okay, but they drive people out. Anyway, I had to do wrong, since they did it. But really sorry, to see people supporting tis monstrosity. Anyway, no matter then.
[20:42] <Myrtti> what montrosity? huh?
[20:42] <maco> woah wait a second
[20:42] <maco> "i had to do wrong, since they did it"? no, you didn't *have* to. you *chose* to.
[20:43] <rocket16> Myrtti: Sorry, that is spelled "monstrosity" as I know. And, any person with self-respect can understand, the offtopic channel, is no one's property. This is monstrosity.
[20:43] <Pici> rocket16: I don't see people trying to drive you out.  I see you advocating hate, being asked not to, and then you retaliating because someone told you not to do something.
[20:43] <Pici> rocket16: No.  The channel is the responsiblity of the Ubuntu IRC Team and it has rules
[20:43] <Myrtti> rocket16: it's not "no one's channel". It has set owners, who have set the rules
[20:44] <maco> rocket16: i think it comes down to "people in ##windows may hate on ubuntu. no need to stoop to their level"
[20:44] <rocket16> Pici: May be, individual views may differ. But what they did, was not right, you may support them, but this does not cover their fault.
[20:44] <rocket16> Myrtti: The channel has owners? Do they pay for it? I don't think so. Anyway, bye.
[20:45] <Pici> rocket16: I believe that topyli already covered that, around line 1444
[20:45] <Pici> bah
[20:45] <Pici> lag
[20:45] <Pici> @mark rocket16
[20:45] <Myrtti> that was... interesting
[20:46] <maco> O_o
[20:46] <Myrtti> someone hasn't checked out their terminology charts
[20:46] <maco> Myrtti: or the definition of "2 wrongs" (hint: it's not "1 right")
[20:46] <topyli> nobody owns -ot? i wonder such ideas come from
[20:47] <maco> ryan & idle just had mutual apologies, by the way
[20:49] <maco> uhh freenode folks
[20:49] <maco> idoru just klined a user named AK for repeating twice in #ubuntu a request for a developer to look at their bug
[20:49] <maco> idoru thought it was spam
[20:49] <maco> Pici: are you a freenode folk?
[20:49] <Pici> maco: nope.
[20:49] <maco> mmm who is? cuz id say thats not a legitimate klin
[20:50] <maco> *kline
[20:50] <Pici> and it was a kill, not a kline (kick, not a ban)
[20:50] <maco> oooh
[20:50] <maco> i thought was the same thing
[20:50] <maco> you can server-kick?
[20:50] <Pici> I used to think so too
[20:50] <tsimpson> you just close the socket
[20:50] <maco> interesting
[21:10] <mneptok> two wrongs don't make a right. but three rights make a left.
[21:11] <persia> Only near the equator
[21:39] <output`> topyli: I'm not trying to be insolent.
[21:39] <topyli> output`, can we help you here?
[21:40] <output`> Well, I'm not kickbanned, so I think not.
[23:20] <yofel> hi, can someone please update the topic of #ubuntu+1 now that beta2 is out? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000131.html slangasek did it for -devel, but +1 still says beta1 released.
[23:40] <jpds> Seriously.
[23:42] <jpds> 23:40:26 < LinuxGuy2009>  jpds: Umm hello Im helping not asking questions. get it straight
[23:42] <jpds> Hi.
[23:43] <jpds> yofel: Doneth.
[23:43] <yofel> jpds: thanks! bye


 For me, yesterday's install in qemu vm did work correctly.
 26th sept build
 @The_LoudSpeaker [For me, yesterday's install in qemu vm did work correctly.], it recognized your location automatically?
 Yup!
 India
 Internet was connected.
[00:20] <kc2bez> wxl: ^ take a look at Raman's comments here
 I have been testing and every time I put the connection, the location is correct, tomorrow I will try on the virtual machine
[00:22] <kc2bez> Thanks @N0um3n0
[00:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> umm correction: It was 24th sept build I guess.
[00:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> or maybe 25th
[00:26] <kc2bez> Please try a new one The_LoudSpeaker
[00:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> the iso file has creation date of 25th on my system so...
[00:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will try soon. I already downloaded today's but don't have time. Midsems!
[00:27] <kc2bez> understood
[00:28] <kc2bez> When you get a chance.
[00:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> sure.
[00:28] <kc2bez> Appreciate it.
[00:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> bye!
[00:28] <kc2bez> cheers
[00:28] <kc2bez> good luck
[01:37] <kc2bez> I fired up the VPN and got the following result https://share.riseup.net/#QVKwFplY7_776P1FwrBQgw
[01:38] <kc2bez> Cala had the timezone correct for my endpoint (Osaka Japan).
[01:38] <kc2bez> This bug is a tough one.
[01:39] <kc2bez> Can't seem to consistently reproduce.
 I was behind a proxy so could have be a special issue, hopefully I can test w/o proxy this weekeend
[01:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> kc2bez: Thanks! And yup! This looks a tricky one. But we will get to it.
 Also @guiverc had the issue right?
[01:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> I also have sophos enabled. Will try behind my own vpn which I plan to setup using aws. See ya al later!
[01:57] <kc2bez> guiverc2: didn't have the issue. It worked for him.
[01:59] <guiverc2> install on hardware (19.10) detected me as in melb.au correctly  (unless I'm talking about wrong thing)
[02:00] <kc2bez> That is what were talking about.
[02:04] <guiverc2> there's a new daily; it's downloading now... can test that & report (but will be some time..)
[02:22] <guiverc2> hey, vlc starts on Kubuntu's daily ISO - here's hoping with ours :)
[02:29] <guiverc> :(  no luck on `vlc` for lubuntu 19.10 daily :(
[02:31] <guiverc> kc2bez, @HMollerCl latest lubuntu daily (calamares) on hp8200 (hardware) detects me as in melb.au correctly
[02:33] <kc2bez> Thanks for the update guiverc
[04:37] <guiverc> 19.10 daily on [x201] laptop; battery dropped to 0% & has stayed there.. anyone has/heard of issues with battery notifications  (I want to blame my unhealthy laptop battery)
[04:40] <guiverc> :(  a logout & login fixed the battery indicator; there maybe a bug here :(
[14:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGd9b2cecc7c14: Merge branch 'ubuntu/eoan' into ci/unstable] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGd9b2cecc7c14
 @aptghetto it looks like that didn't run the merger job^ I think it is still pointed at port 2222 instead of 22 from my quick glance.
 I guess, it is a jenkins configuration
 You should have access to fix it I think
 Otherwise Dan for sure does
 Well, if it's the merger job, that might be hard-coded, hm
 I just have my phone with me right now but if you look here you can see that it failed. https://ci.lubuntu.me/view/merger/job/merger_calamares/
 Hmm
 I guess, it is defined in the Jenkinsfile, but I cannot find it
 Check the CI tooling
 The merger jobs are based off of a template
 It's all in a Git repo on Phab
 The template receives a variable PACKAGING_URL, which is somewhere defined
 Either it is defined in the Jenkinsfile or somewhere in the admin section of Jenkins
 I will admit to it being poorly documented :)
 I don't see it here https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/browse/master/ci.conf
 should I be looking somewhere else?
 I did "git grep" in ci-* and ppa-britney repos
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/browse/master/ci/jobgenerator.py$113
 Is the METADATA_URL variable on the jenkins machine set correctly for jobgenerator.clone_metadata?
 That'd be it
 Sec, I'll hop on and button push
 Fixed, nightly running
 \o/
[15:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> What's jenkins?
 ci
 ci.lubuntu.me
[15:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ack. I will check.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/
 just testes today downloaded iso, I'm on myome with no proxy, NY is chosen....
 virtualbox VM win10 host
 :(
[19:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL307d20cbbcdf: Spellcheck localc] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL307d20cbbcdf


[12:04] <BenC> no problem...happy hyper-threading :)
[12:05] <_sparrow> yeah, and happy xmas ;) lot of thanks to you!
[12:05] <BenC> you too
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> ogra@edubuntu:~/bcm_bastel/ieee80211softmac-20051225$ make make -C /lib/modules/2.6.15-9-powerpc/build M=/home/ogra/bcm_bastel/ieee80211softmac-20051225 modules
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9-powerpc/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-3.4: command not found
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> why does it look for 3.4 ??
[04:43] <mjg59> Because that's what the kernel is compiled with?
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> nope
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> not according to dmesg
[04:44] <ogra_ibook> [    0.000000]  Linux version 2.6.15-9-powerpc (buildd@ross) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051204 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.2-5ubuntu2)) #1 Wed Dec 21 14:21:07 UTC 2005
[04:44] <mjg59> You're building against the wrong headers
[04:44] <mjg59> 2.6.12-9 isn't 2.6.15-9
[04:44] <ogra_ibook> eeek
[04:44] <ogra_ibook> silly me, thanks :-D
[05:12] <zul> this portble dvd player i got for christmas is cool


[09:55] <goyz16> heloo
[09:56] <philballew> goyz16, hello
[10:01] <philballew> phillw, whats up?
[10:02] <philballew> Do you know the best place to get Lubuntu help?
[10:02] <phillw> not much, just copying big bertha onto my local hard drive. How's tricks with you?
[10:02]  * philballew think he has a bug
[10:03] <philballew> Its good. moving in 3 days so packing!
[10:03] <phillw> philballew: try #lubuntu
[10:03] <phillw> I will help if I can
[10:04] <philballew> yeah, I asked there last week but noone responded. It was at the middle of the night like it is now though
[10:04] <phillw> the mailing list for QA is another option, we do not bite :)
[10:05] <phillw> or, better still, the main mailing list
[10:05]  * philballew asked away
[11:45] <goyz16> hi im new here
[11:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hi
can u help me??
[11:48] <bioterror> !ask | goyz16
[11:48] <ubot2`> goyz16: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[11:48] <goyz16> ups sorry
[12:04] <philballew> goyz16, whats your problem?
[12:04] <philballew> someone might know here and will see your message sooner or later
[12:05] <goyz16> i can't instal software in software center
[12:12] <bioterror> !error
[12:12] <ubot2`> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[17:37] <neta> hi
[17:39] <neta> anybody home?
[17:39] <cortman> A few neta
[17:40] <neta> and u :)
[17:40] <penreturns> \o/
[17:40] <cortman> what can we help you with?
[17:40] <neta>  i have a problem- i need a dictionary, so i downloaded stardict and goldendict, but i didn't succeed to use dictionarys that i downloaded from babylon
[17:42]  * cortman has no experience there
[17:42] <cortman> But if you are looking for offline dictionaries, try here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=982326
[17:43] <neta> i downloaded dics.. i can't make them work
[17:43] <neta> any idea where else can i ask?
[17:51] <neta> #kubuntu
[18:07] <cortman> you can ask in #ubuntu neta
[18:07] <cortman> its /j #ubuntu


[14:54] <balasankarc> Hi. I am a Debian Developer and I have few doubts regarding Debian to Ubuntu sync of packages.
[14:55] <balasankarc> 1. How frequently is packages synced from Debian Unstable to Ubuntu?
[14:55] <balasankarc> 2. How to easily tell if a package was synced or merged?
[15:36] <dupondje> balasankarc: auto sync starts at beginning of the ubuntu+1 release cycle
[15:36] <dupondje> and same version number as debian -> synced
[15:36] <dupondje> ubuntuX appended, merge
[15:36] <dupondje> easy as that
[16:44] <balasankarc> dupondje, So it starts at the beginning of ubuntu+1 release cycle. How often is Debian archive checked for new packages or new versions of existing packages ?
[16:45] <balasankarc> I am interested in knowing if I should do something special, like requestsync, after uploading a new version to Debian or will it be automatically synced (like, every week or so).