[05:15] <danno> jbzz: this is the only problem I need to solve right now and if you're able to write to a floppy without sudo or gksudo app i'd love to hear your findings!
[05:15] <cafuego> ashe: What wireless controller do you have?
[05:15] <nicholas> Does anyone know if the repos are down as well?!?!?
[05:16] <jbzz> danno:  Well, one experiment it to change the permissions on /media/floppy0   to  777    That works.  But I want to be able to boot to that state of permissions.
[05:16] <cafuego> nicholas: all the repos I use are fine.
[05:16] <Howi> What happened to the forum?
[05:16] <phiber_optic> does anyone know why limewire would freeze me computer?
[05:16] <rjordan> Azunai, I think the card is too new for that driver. Besides you may want gatos.sf.net for tv out capability since it's an AIW.
[05:16] <cafuego> !topic
[05:16] <ashe> using the rtl8180 driver
[05:16] <phiber_optic> Is there another good program like limewire?
[05:16] <cafuego> Howi: Read the topic.
[05:16] <rjordan> phiber_optic, because it's crap...
[05:16] <danno> jbzz: wow so that wont survive a reboot?
[05:16] <steve_laptop> hello all
[05:16] <rjordan> ph8, gtk-gnutella
[05:16] <nicholas> thx cafuego. It must be my setup then.
[05:16] <Azunai> rjordan, ive been using linux for about 3hours please try and keep it as simple as you can :)
[05:16] <cafuego> ashe: Ok. That one is not supported by default, yet.
[05:16] <phiber_optic> rjordan apt-get gtk-nutella?
[05:17] <steve_laptop> anyone here get nvidia working in 6.04
[05:17] <jbzz> danno:  Also   /media/floppy    (which is a link to  /media/floppy0      )   needs to have permissions of 777.
[05:17] <ashe> cafuego:I have worked with this extensively and need only compile it for ubuntu
[05:17] <rjordan> phiber_optic, I'm sure I don't know. It's in there somewhere.
[05:17] <jbzz> danno:  Will it survive a reboot?   That is the question.
[05:17] <phiber_optic> or where can I downloaed from?
[05:17] <danno> jbzz: but why would you want it executable
[05:17] <engla> I wonder why all lib*-dev packages are so large
[05:18] <johnnybezak> engla: probably because they have a lot of stuff only required by devs, features that users don't need
[05:18] <Azunai> rjordan, ok so how do i get my card to have 3d support etc so i can play some games :-)
[05:18] <ashe> cafuego: but I should be able to use apt-get with 'net connectivity?
[05:18] <engla> shouldn't they be just headers?
[05:18] <madcap> anyone care to explain what I need to get xine/mplayer to play WMV3 files? is there a particular codec?
[05:18] <jbzz> danno:  Well to use the 'ls' command on a directory it must be executable.
[05:18] <galgoz> this question doesn't need to be answered as it is just curiosity but. .. why is there a seperate install cd for kubuntu if you can add it by simply typing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:18] <engla> or soemthing...
[05:18] <danno> jbzz: what about making it permissions 666 would you have to create a script for this?
[05:18] <Azunai> rjordan, i really dont care about the tvout etc i just wanna be able to play stuff in cedega :(
[05:18] <engla> galgoz: it's nice to have a cd when you have a slow connection
[05:19] <engla> galgoz: or are far away from any connection at all
[05:19] <cafuego> ashe: Well, then I won't be able to help until you can actually somehow share the error message you get when you want to install build-essential.
[05:19] <Doomhammer> someone help me please, the sound in quake4 is screwed up - i can hear it, but it's ... distorted -- i'm thinking this is the issue but i don't know how to fix it, see output from quake4: http://pastebin.com/518571
[05:19] <galgoz> engla: fair enough :)
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> How can I go from ati.com fglrx back to the repos one?
[05:19] <jbzz> danno:  Same situation.  We want control of the situation so we must understand what works.
[05:19] <danno> jbzz: I'm going to bite the floppy disc soon if I can't get the user to write to it
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> hmmm
[05:19] <ashe> cafuego:"Couldn't stat source package list"
[05:19] <Azunai> ive just installed ubuntu i can switch from gnome? to KDE by apt-get install kubuntu?
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> dont ya want the floppy mounted with the 'user' options?
[05:19] <cafuego> ashe: 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:19] <jbzz> danno:  For a quick fix you can set the permissions now for those two direcories to 777 and that should work.  A quick fix.
[05:20] <phiber_optic> where can I download gtk-gnutella?
[05:20] <gnudreamer> how do i patch my kernel ?
[05:20] <ashe> cafuego:same error
[05:20] <danno> jbzz: thanks I like the help thank you
[05:20] <rjordan> Azunai, the basic ati driver still does direct rendering AFAIK. It just does so using the much slower MesaGL libraries.
[05:20] <bimberi> Azunai: kubuntu-desktop
[05:20] <johndarkhorse> Azunai: it's 'kubuntu-desktop' that you want to install
[05:20] <Azunai> thx
[05:20] <jbzz> danno:   so as root:      chmod  777  /media/floppy0                    and                  chmod  777  /media/floppy                     that shoulkd work
[05:21] <rjordan> Azunai, What kind of processor do you have?
[05:21] <Azunai> rjordan, im a perfomance geek :) i need high fps man isnt there a specific ubuntu driver that i could install
[05:21] <ashe> cafuego:"Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'"
[05:21] <phiber_optic> where can I download gtk-gnutella?
[05:21] <jbzz> danno:   But again, I want to eventually have a bulletproof solution so I will keep working on it.
[05:21] <Azunai> rjordan, on this box an amd althonxp 3200+ i
[05:21] <rjordan> phiber_optic, **cking google it already.
[05:21] <danno> jbzz: why 777 and not 666?
[05:21] <bimberi> phiber_optic: it's in the universe repository
[05:21] <brenner> phiber_optic: or eable universe
[05:22] <rjordan> Azunai, just wondering, dri is broken on amd64. found that out the hard way.
[05:22] <brenner> *enable
[05:22] <jbzz> danno:   To use the  'ls -l'   or  'ls'  commands on a directory you need execute permission.
[05:22] <gnudreamer> maybe ubuntu can put the bttv driver right into the next release!
[05:22] <bimberi> ubotu: tell phiber_optic about universe
[05:22] <phiber_optic> but the one I install in the universe it says its too old
[05:22] <Azunai> rjordan, thats y my amd athlonxp 64-bit FX-57 is running winxp :)
[05:22] <draconius> when I play movies, or drag windows around or anything like that, my sound gets horribly crackly -- anybody have an idea?
[05:22] <jbzz> danno:   And we are mounting at a share point (directory).
[05:22] <gnudreamer> ANYONE here use bttv?
[05:22] <gnudreamer> or vL
[05:22] <rjordan> Azunai, what kind of graphics card in that one?
[05:22] <ramblingturtle> hello, I am looking for away to reinstall the grub from ubuntu because right now I am using what came with Suse 10 and I want to remove it but be able to choose what kernel I want to boot from with grub any ideas would be  appreciated
[05:22] <gnudreamer> V4L
[05:22] <ashe> anybody able to use apt-get without network connectivity?
[05:23] <Azunai> rjordan, the same but it has 3gig of Kingston hyper-x ram ddr 500 :)
[05:23] <rjordan> Azunai, cause I have it working now. it just requires a workaround.
[05:23] <Dasnipa`> ashe thats simple... remove online sources, add cdrom sources
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> ramblingturtle, grub-install, iirc.
[05:23] <Dasnipa`> from the apt config file
[05:23] <jbzz> danno:   There are many levels of questions here.  That is why I must take things one at a time.
[05:23] <Azunai> rjordan, they both have the same card :(
[05:23] <MrProper_> has anyone ever noticed that amarok always dies in the ass
[05:24] <danno> jbzz: true, good luck with your experiements, I'm going to set my grandparents up with a shortcut to gksudo konqueror so they can write to floppy, I can't continue this any longer because it's testing the limits of my sanity for something which should be simple.
[05:24] <gnudreamer> mrproper yes amarok always freezes
[05:24] <ashe> Dasnipa:how to remove online sources and add cdrom sources?
[05:24] <cafuego> MrProper_: It's a KDE app, it's designed that way.
[05:24] <danno> jbzz: if you find a solution, please post to ubuntu forums when it returns
[05:24] <Azunai> rjordan, it doesnt matter that im downloading Kubuntu does it?
[05:24] <rjordan> Azunai, no.
[05:24] <Azunai> i want kde not really a gnome fan :)
[05:24] <Azunai> rjordan, my download speed is ausome lol
[05:24] <jbzz> danno:  OK.  I will find the best approach to this.
[05:24] <ashe> Dasnipa:can't find cdrom sources.
[05:24] <gnudreamer> ANYONE here use bttv?
[05:24] <brenner> ramblingturtle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:25] <Dasnipa`> ashe, man apt-config
[05:25] <danno> jbzz: please post to ubuntu forums with the solution when you master this so others can benefit from your wisdom =)
[05:25] <Azunai> 1197kb/s :P
[05:25] <rjordan> Azunai, I'm getting 600kB/s on the dapper iso right now :)
[05:25] <ashe> Dasnipa:doing that now.
[05:25] <danno> jbzz: from my googling it looks like this is a common issue with little solution outside a gksudo app or sudo at command line way out
[05:25] <syntax13> is there anyone who can help me with problems compiling glfw programs?
[05:25] <jbzz> danno:   Remember doing the chmod commands I mentioned could solve your problem right away.
[05:25] <Azunai> rjordan, im downloading kubuntu right now at 1249kbs :P
[05:26] <MrProper_> cafuego, lol, its a shame because amarok is such a nice player
[05:26] <rjordan> Azunai, OMFG!!!
[05:26] <Azunai> rjordan, hehe 10MB cable hookup mate :)
[05:26] <danno> jbzz: thanks I could try that but I'm taking a flight out of here in the morning and my grandparents will be rebooting it after I leave
[05:26] <eli> hello everyone, anyone know the a solution to fglrx in configuring resolution?
[05:26] <TheBeast> Is it possible to install ubuntu using the 5.10 installation cd and then apt-get upgrade or something? do I have to add some extra/new repositories or what?
[05:26] <danno> jbzz: so I'd need to have it survive a reboot, does it?
[05:26] <Azunai> rjordan, but i get an extra 200-400 kbs in linux more than i do in linux
[05:26] <rjordan> err...
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, 5.10 is the current.
[05:26] <galgoz> heheh
[05:26] <brenner> eli: what's the problem exactly?
[05:27] <Azunai> rjordan, as im a big gamer i really need to use linux as the networking technolagy is far more stable and the pings are better :P
[05:27] <jbzz> danno:  I need to experiment with it!   Can't give you an answer right this minute.
[05:27] <TheBeast> tonyyarusso some update was released a few days ago
[05:27] <danno> jbzz: okay bye
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, However, you can use any CD and upgrade online.
[05:27] <phiber_optic> how do I know if im connected in gtk gnutella?
[05:27] <TheBeast> including gnome 2.13.4 or something
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, Dapper Flight 3, but that is not for general use.
[05:27] <Azunai> rjordan, i just took a screenshot of it lol
[05:27] <carter> question: what file would i modify to have a script or program run after a user logs in and starts gnome?
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> !tell TheBeast about dapper
[05:27] <TheBeast> is it some sort of release candidate?
[05:27] <cafuego> carter: Easiest is to add it in Prefernces -> Sessions
[05:27] <Azunai> rjordan, the download speed i mean :) i so have to post that on a few gaming forums :D
[05:28] <rjordan> Azunai, nice :)
[05:28] <TheBeast> oh yea
[05:28] <TheBeast> :D
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, Yeah, it's a preview, and developer-types run it and help sort out the bugs.
[05:28] <phiber_optic> rjordan how do i know if my gtk gnutella is running?
[05:28] <Azunai> rjordan, il send it ya if u wanna see :P
[05:28] <TheBeast> tonyyarusso it'd be nice to install it and squash some bugs out of it
[05:29] <rjordan> nah, I believe you ;)
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, Hey, if you're into that, be my guest.  I'm not about to try it though.
[05:29] <Azunai> that im definatly posting :)
[05:29] <rjordan> phiber_optic, is there a window on your screen that says 'gtk-gnutella'?
[05:29] <phiber_optic> yeah I started
[05:29] <phiber_optic> it
[05:29] <TheBeast> tonyyarusso that's the fun about linux in my opinion
[05:29] <Azunai> lol how big is kubuntu?
[05:29] <luisito> guy help here, please
[05:29] <luisito> guys help here, please
[05:29] <rjordan> with?
[05:29] <galgoz> azunai, fairly big, mine is still downloading
[05:30] <phiber_optic> but I click on sear and nothing searches :(
[05:30] <galgoz> azunai, I am at get 43
[05:30] <Azunai> galgoz, lol mines done
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, Ah.  Well then go for it.  I prefer mine to work at the moment, but I can see where you're coming from.
[05:30] <Azunai> galgoz, took about 2 mins lol
[05:30] <luisito> I have ubuntu installed in my drive
[05:30] <Azunai> im on the config screen now
[05:30] <eli> brenner : i just installed the ubuntu fglrx driver and the 3d works but now the resolution is not right
[05:30] <Dasnipa`> Azunai, kubuntu is the size of kde + overhead
[05:30] <eli> brenner : i have a widescreen 1280 by 800
[05:30] <galgoz> azunai, hehe, I am using azureus right now too,
[05:30] <gnudreamer> am i on ignore ?
[05:30] <luisito> and I want to install windows now sharing that drive, how can I do that?
[05:30] <Dasnipa`> yes gnudreamer
[05:30] <Azunai> galgoz, whats asureus?
[05:31] <galgoz> azunai, a bittorrent client
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> rjordan, What's RDP?
[05:31] <rjordan> ali_, did you run the fglrxconfig?
[05:31] <TheBeast> tonyyarusso it's nice to have a working/usable environment but at the same time I think every linux user should actually contribute somehow:)
[05:31] <gnudreamer> im really trying to do this on my own but im stuck
[05:31] <steve_laptop> is the forum down?
[05:31] <Azunai> its taking longer to install than it did to download :S
[05:31] <cafuego> rjordan: Why would you use that inefficient POS protocol if you didn't have to?
[05:31] <ramblingturtle> brenner: thank you that is exactly what I was looking for
[05:31] <galgoz> azunai, so I am downlaoding other stuff as well, my connection is 6 down
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> TheBeast, A good idea.  So far answering the questions I can is mine, b/c I know nothing about programming / development.
[05:32] <Azunai> galgoz, u should just use apt-get i was getting 1200kbs ? so why use bitorent?
[05:32] <galgoz> azunai, although I am luckily dling at about 6.5 typically
[05:32] <gnudreamer> I am following steps to allow my tv card to work...I simply can't get the bttv tar installed
[05:32] <vultaire> Can anyone help me with this?  My microphone is playing back on my speakers, and I can't seem to mute it aside from totally muting it
[05:32] <rjordan> tonyyarusso, it's what windows uses for remote desktop, it's much better then vnc since it only sends the primitive window drawing info instead of pictures of the desktop itself.
[05:32] <phiber_optic> rjordan I cannot search anything :(
[05:32] <TheBeast> tonyyarusso ;-)
[05:32] <Azunai> galgoz, 6mb down nice :)
[05:32] <galgoz> azunai, I am using apt get, just using some of my bandwidth on azureus dlwonloading other stuff
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> rjordan, Hmm.
[05:32] <jbzz> danno:  Are you still there?
[05:32] <Azunai> galgoz, ahhh i get ya
[05:32] <cafuego> rjordan: But rdesktop supports RDP just fine
[05:32] <luisito> how do I install windows after ubuntu?
[05:32] <johnnybezak> he guys whats a lightweight qt text editor?
[05:32] <Azunai> galgoz, sorry man im a complete noob to linux :)
[05:33] <eli> anyone know how to make a fglrx driver give the right resolution? i have a widescreen, but he program is running on defualt
[05:33] <johnnybezak> luisito: put in your windows cd.
[05:33] <galgoz> azunai, k, I am new too
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> vultaire, Try alsamixer, and you can mute the microphone input separately.
[05:33] <anarkissed> hello, new ubuntu user here
[05:33] <eli> when ubuntu previously had the right resolution
[05:33] <Azunai> ok it says in console setting up Kubuntu? yet nothing is happening?
[05:33] <johnnybezak> anarkissed: hi :)
[05:33] <anarkissed> hi johnnybezak
[05:33] <Azunai> hello anarkissed
[05:33] <galgoz> anarkissed: hello
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> anarkissed, Welcome.
[05:33] <anarkissed> hello everyone else too lol
[05:33] <regeya> greetings new ubuntu user and congratulations
[05:33] <Azunai> anarkissed, hello :)
[05:33] <phiber_optic> can someone help me with gtk gnutella?
[05:33] <vultaire> tonyyarusso: if I run alsamixer, hit tab to go to capture, and look at the Mic column, it's blacked out
[05:33] <luisito> johnnybezak, the thing is I don't want to delete ubuntu.
[05:34] <regeya> !tell anarkissed about ask
[05:34] <Azunai> regeya, are you rather knowlegable on linux?
[05:34] <anarkissed> well after 8 years it's the first 'nix sys to run X and connect to the net
[05:34] <regeya> not to be rude.
[05:34] <vultaire> erm... wait
[05:34] <rjordan> cafuego, it can connect to windows boxen but not send its own desktop elsewhere right? I seem to remember concluding that last time I checked.
[05:34] <deadcat66> hi all, i am haivng trouble with the cmd 'sudo dd bs=1048576 if=./tiger-x86-flat.img of=/dev/hda
[05:34] <deadcat66> '   all I get is 0+0 in and out.  any ideas?
[05:34] <galgoz> all: I installed ubuntu last week and my buddy keeps having to listen to me goiing "dude! ubuntu rules!" about 6 times a day since then
[05:34] <cafuego> rjordan: Nope, but then, we use xdmcp for that.
[05:34] <regeya> Azunai, yes and no lol
[05:34] <vultaire> tonyyarusso: sorry, was looking at something else too... under playback, the mic is muted
[05:34] <johnnybezak> luisito: i presume you made a partition for windows when you setup ubuntu, so now just install windows into that partition
[05:34] <slavik> galgoz: then you have a problem ...
[05:35] <eli> a healthy problem
[05:35] <galgoz> slavik: ??
[05:35] <phiber_optic> can someone help me with gtk gnutella?
[05:35] <Azunai> regeya, do you have any experiance in installing newer range graphics cards?
[05:35] <gnudreamer> ubuntu does rule! although some processes can be difficult
[05:35] <slavik> galgoz: you need to stop calling him ^^
[05:35] <eli> phiber_optic , sorry dont know the program
[05:35] <anarkissed> question:  What is the easiest way to get rid of the grey window frames, bars, etc. and replace it with the color of my choice in Xwindows?
[05:35] <Azunai> gnudreamer, yeah like installing a damn graphics card so it will work :@
[05:35] <galgoz> slavik: heheh, mainly via IM or Nextel DC
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> vultaire,  You might try just playing around with a couple of other areas, I know there were more than one that involve the mic.  I've only used it once myself, to unmute actually.
[05:35] <regeya> Azunai, no.
[05:35] <Howi> From what I could gather from the topic, the forum is down for good and it is replaced by this channel?
[05:35] <Azunai> regeya, damn! lol
[05:35] <regeya> !tell Azunai about ask
[05:36] <luisito> johnnybezak, no, there isn't an empty partition for windows, that's the problem.
[05:36] <gnudreamer> azunai or a tv capture card or a web cam
[05:36] <slavik> galgoz: you need to get rid of all wired in the computer room that can possibly carry a network connection, remove all window (make the solid walls) then paint the room with aluminum based paint
[05:36] <vultaire> tonyyarusso: ahh... thanks anyway I guess :P  I've been trying on and off for days to get this to work
[05:36] <ashe> Disnipa:can you be a little more explicit?
[05:36] <syntax13> is there anyone who can help me with problems compiling glfw programs?
[05:36] <gnudreamer> xorg conf is how i got my graphics card working
[05:36] <Azunai> gnudreamer, my graphics card is kinda everything in one
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> vultaire, Icky.  Wish I had a better idea for you.
[05:36] <slavik> would there be any problem for xorg to work in 1280x768 resolution?
[05:36] <Azunai> gnudreamer, yeh when i edit that xorg.conf xserver refuses to load?
[05:36] <galgoz> slavik: um, tree?
[05:37] <slavik> what tree?
[05:37] <vultaire> tonyyarusso: np
[05:37] <ashe> anybody know how to tell apt-get to use the cdrom instead of http?
[05:37] <galgoz> slavik: that is my way of saying you lost me
[05:37] <Azunai> Does anyone here have any idea how to install a ATI X850XT PE graphics card on ubuntu?
[05:37] <regeya> seriously people, just ask the question, don't probe people first for vague information then get more specific as you finally find someone who knows.  this is the sort of b.s. I deal with when I work; people *will not* be direct and to the point.  it's annoying, counterproductive, and wastes both your and my time.
[05:37] <phiber_optic> rjordan can u help me please?
[05:37] <gnudreamer> azunai we have some really good graphics guys here sometimes...latley all my graphics questions go unanswered
[05:37] <johnnybezak> anyone here use scribus?
[05:37] <rjordan> phiber_optic, no. google it.
[05:37] <slavik> galgoz: the point was to cut off all your ability to communicate outside the room ...
[05:37] <Azunai> gnudreamer, so.. the graphics people are on holiday lol
[05:37] <slavik> then you can't bother your friend :)
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> How can I go from ati.com fglrx back to the repos one?
[05:38] <gnudreamer> there might be a pay per solution ubuntu chat somewhere
[05:38] <galgoz> slavik: ah :)
[05:38] <regeya> ruby needs something equivalent to pythoncard.
[05:38] <johnnybezak> phiber_optic: what's the problem?
[05:38] <slavik> tonyyarusso: does ati provide a way to remove their drivers?
[05:38] <galgoz> slavik: he understands now, he installed it thursday cause of my ranting and about 15 min later I got a call and he was like "dude, ubunut rules"
[05:38] <patrick_> I have a question pertaining to Sound Driver in teamspeak.  When I use OSS in teamspeak (only one that seems to work) I lose audo in everything else.  Anyway to assign Teamspeak to an alternitive driver that wont take over my other sounds or game sounds?
[05:38] <phiber_optic> my gtk-gnutella cannot connect and I dont know what to do
[05:38] <Azunai> there has to be a way to install this graphics card
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> slavik, No idea.
[05:38] <Azunai> oh i think kubuntu is installed do i just reload x?
[05:39] <jbzz> danno:   Are you still around?
[05:39] <slavik> tonyyarusso: have you tried editing the config file in the proper location, beside that ... no clue
[05:39] <gnudreamer> you can always have a dual boot system so your operating system can do everything..but without end-users  like us linux will never compete with the devil
[05:39] <slavik> IMO, Ubuntu needs to do something with the menus ...
[05:39] <slavik> gnudreamer: who's the devil?
[05:39] <johnnybezak> patrick_: that sounds like a problem with oss, rather than with your driver i'm not sure how to help though.
[05:39] <gnudreamer> winblowz
[05:39] <rjordan> Azunai, if you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf , the output of 'dmesg' and the error you get when you 'sudo modprobe -v fglrx' to a pastebin service it may make it easier for someone who knows to help you when they should stop by :)
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> slavik, Well, the problem with that is the line will be fglrx in xorg.conf either way.
[05:39] <Azunai> gnudreamer, i have decided that microsoft can stick its eula were the sun dont shine :)
[05:39] <galgoz> gnudreamer: I only use windows for my macromedia studio 8
[05:40] <slavik> as far as I kniow, ext3 can't mount zip files as partitions ... (which winxp can)
[05:40] <patrick_> johnnybezak, it does this samething on my other computer
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, I've heard wine will run that.  Ever tried it?
[05:40] <gnudreamer> i hear that synfig studio is as good as macromedia
[05:40] <slavik> tonyyarusso: maybe the symbolic link would be different? I honestly don't know hwo to help you
[05:40] <Azunai> rjordan, sorry mate but i have no idea what u mean as im new to linux and the contecnt of xorg.conf is huge
[05:40] <gnudreamer> I cant get that installed like many tar's the manual dont explain how to install
[05:40] <galgoz> tony: i tried crossover and it doesn't support it
[05:40] <patrick_> johnnybezak, is there an alternate driver I can point teamspeak to?
[05:40] <galgoz> tony: you have to go back a few versions
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> slavik, That's a good suggestion anyway.  I can search around.
[05:40] <SEJeff> slavik, windows xp can not "mount zip files as partitions"
[05:40] <regeya> slavik, winxp doesn't mount them, it's done elsewhere.  kde's konqueror can also use ioslaves to trick you into believing it can 'mount' zipfiles
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, Huh.  Somebody lied then.
[05:41] <slavik> regeya: konqueror ... not linux ...
[05:41] <Azunai> brb guys
[05:41] <rjordan> Azunai, checkout pastebin.com
[05:41] <phiber_optic> johnny break any suggestion?
[05:41] <regeya> slavik, the first sentence was your first clue about what I was getting at...
[05:41] <fangorious> does gnome have a systray app to monitor keyring usage (like the wallet in kde)?
[05:41] <galgoz> tony: wait, you can run it, somehting about installing a nocd hack
[05:41] <slavik> SEJeff: I was reffering to the option of compressing the entire drive ...
[05:41] <galgoz> tony: don't know anything about htat
[05:42] <slavik> Something still needs to be done with the menus ...
[05:42] <galgoz> tony: so I just run windows in linux using qemu
[05:42] <SEJeff> slavik, I'm pretty sure you can do stuff like that with loopback filesystems and some fuse magic
[05:42] <galgoz> tony: thinking about switching to win4lin
[05:42] <SEJeff> slavik, I know that is possible
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, Where'd you find that?
[05:42] <regeya> ok, I'm getting really extremely crabby, so I should go to bed or something
[05:42] <regeya> :-P
[05:42] <ashe> does anyone know where on the live CD are the packages?
[05:42] <slavik> SEJeff: probably ... but I doubt it is as easy to set up ...
[05:43] <galgoz> tony: on the crossover forum post on dreamweaver 8
[05:43] <Azunai> yay kde :P
[05:43] <regeya> it's really quite an oversight given the great need for mountable zipfiles
[05:43] <galgoz> tony: no idea where to find the nocd hack though
[05:43] <TheBeast> Azunai LOL at teh microsoft eula thingie:)
[05:43] <galgoz> tony: something about dl a pirate version
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, Okay.
[05:43] <galgoz> tony; guess that would be ok, since I own the license legally
[05:43] <Azunai> TheBeast, i ment it too
[05:44] <TheBeast> microsoft is not that bad. they just make crappy operating systems :)
[05:44] <phiber_optic> johnny break any suggestion?
[05:44] <CanYouHelpMePlz> TheBeast: true
[05:44] <deadcat66> '   all I get is 0+0 in and out.  any ideas?
[05:44] <galgoz> tony: althougth since adobe just bought macromedia, I am hoping they will make a linux install
[05:44] <slavik> TheBeast: they still have the best solitaire program ^^
[05:44] <Azunai> TheBeast, as a windows based technichal god i know the bugs that are in windows lol and i hate them all bill gates ha
[05:44] <TheBeast> CanYouHelpMePlz ask btw :)
[05:44] <TheBeast> slavik good ol' solitaire:D
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, That would be way cool.
[05:45] <Azunai> slavik, yeah but that will be ported to linux soon enough :P
[05:45] <galgoz> tony: here is hoping
[05:45] <SEJeff> Azunai, what qualifies you as a windows tech god?
[05:45] <fangorious> anyone? gnome-keyring monitoring systray applet?
[05:45] <slavik> Azunai: I am sure Wine won't have a problem playing solitaire
[05:45] <Hentai^XPwork> Azunai bugs as?
[05:45] <TheBeast> Azunai a good friend of mine works for them:)
[05:45] <galgoz> tony: I would love to have only my custom media center, using beyond tv, not windows mce, be my only windows pc
[05:45] <Azunai> SEJeff, a MCSE :)
[05:46] <deadcat66> should I be using 'sudo dd bs=1048576 if=./tiger-x86-flat.img of=/dev/hda
[05:46] <deadcat66> ' to unpack the tiger img?  or get rid of the sudo?  if I get rid of the sugo i get permission denied.  any ideas?
[05:46] <phiber_optic> please can someone help me withm gtk-gnutella?
[05:46] <Azunai> TheBeast, does he have a wife called kate?
[05:46] <SEJeff> Azunai, lol. ever heard the term "paper mcse" that doesn't know anything in practicallity? not saying you are
[05:46] <slavik> phiber_optic: state your problem
[05:46] <TheBeast> Azunai he's not married
[05:46] <phiber_optic> when I search I dont gett any resluts
[05:46] <CanYouHelpMePlz> on a freebsd system, what would be the command to kill all bash processes ?
[05:46] <phiber_optic> i dont even think its connected
[05:46] <CanYouHelpMePlz> *they are running in screen*
[05:46] <slavik> CanYouHelpMePlz: have you tried the docs?
[05:47] <guanaco_> I'm running a ssh server with ppk authentication, and works great, but when I try to do port forwarding i get error "Permission denied (publickey)"
[05:47] <Azunai> SEJeff, yeh i have :) lol unfortunatly im not one wish i bloody was tho u any idea how many phone calls u get can u train our staff to do this or this
[05:47] <guanaco_> can U please help?
[05:47] <galgoz> what is gnutella, this has been brought up several times in the last 5 min
[05:47] <phiber_optic> it says 0 nodes 0 files 0 kib
[05:47] <Azunai> SEJeff, as i said i hate bill gates and i hate microsoft lol
[05:47] <slavik> gnutella, one of those programs you use to get RIAA's attention ^^
[05:47] <Azunai> TheBeast, or GF called kate :)
[05:47] <CanYouHelpMePlz> hmm, killall screen worked, never mind
[05:47] <galgoz> ah
[05:47] <Hentai^XPwork> Azunai can you go into #kubuntu-offtopic and talk to me about these windows bugs there?
[05:47] <TheBeast> Azunai he's a geek
[05:47] <TheBeast> geeks don't have gfs
[05:48] <slavik> Azunai: you're jsut jealous because his OS was sold for 30USd and Unix was sold for 400USD by IBM ...
[05:48] <galgoz> is there a ubuntu offtopic?
[05:48] <Hentai^XPwork> yes
[05:48] <galgoz> since I am jsut chatting
[05:48] <patrick_> Can anyone explain this http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=faq&id=3&item=43#q43
[05:48] <Hentai^XPwork> #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:48] <Azunai> Hentai^XPwork, unfortunatly i cant atm im trying to find a fix to fix my graphics card issue :(
[05:48] <SEJeff> Azunai, I get calls from headhunters (tech recruiting companies) weekly telling me about "great opportunities" they have for me in Unix systems admin
[05:48] <frazmanw> where is the file with repositories
[05:48] <phiber_optic> slavik can u hellp me?
[05:48] <guanaco_> I'm running a ssh server with ppk authentication, and works great, but when I try to do port forwarding i get error "Permission denied (publickey)"
[05:48] <tritium> guanaco_, try not to repeat, please
[05:48] <Azunai> slavik, LOL no i just dont like windows or any microsoft product apart from excel :)
[05:49] <whee> SEJeff, usually, they mean Unix such as Solaris, HP-UX and the like
[05:49] <madcap> when you download something with synaptic or apt-get where is the package stored?
[05:49] <SEJeff> Azunai, nothing compares to M$ streets and Trips
[05:49] <rjordan> CanYouHelpMePlz, it would be 'killall -9 bash'
[05:49] <slavik> Azunai: I have to say that there is no real competitor to Access.
[05:49] <SEJeff> whee, I work with HP-UX daily... and linux too
[05:49] <slavik> Who was asking about killing everything on FreeBSD?
[05:49] <CanYouHelpMePlz> rjordan: got it already thanks :-) killall screen worked
[05:49] <Azunai> SEJeff, seriously? so is unix worth going getting trained up on? cus i was always told the Windows servers was the way to go i was going to learn cisco but dont really see the point?
[05:49] <galgoz> there is a question, when I click on a link in an external app, they don't open into firefox automatically?
[05:49] <galgoz> there=here
[05:50] <slavik> galgoz: what do you use right now?
[05:50] <Azunai> slavik, at the moment i would tend to agree i do like access :) come to think of it
[05:50] <SEJeff> Azunai, Well look at the average salary of a M$ MCSE versus an HP CSA (HP-UX certified unix systems admin). The Unix systems admins always get paid more
[05:50] <phiber_optic> can anybody help me pleasee ?
[05:50] <slavik> Azunai: MySQL is only recently started catching up to SQL Server and others ...
[05:50] <TheBeast> SEJeff how's HP-UX ?
[05:51] <SEJeff> Azunai, Cisco is also a very hot skillset to have. Basic cisco (CCNA) is easy as long as you understand networking and the OSI layer model
[05:51] <slavik> SEJeff: but how many jobs are available as the MS dude vs the HP dude?
[05:51] <rjordan> Azunai, it would be better to have experience adminitering linux servers then having an MCSE at this point, but only in terms of long term, not so much in the short term money bracket.
[05:51] <Azunai> SEJeff, yeah but ... it means spending more money to learn a new os
[05:51] <SEJeff> TheBeast, in the process of being migrated to SLES (linux) :)
[05:51] <patrick_> Is there an alternate sound driver I can use with Teamspeak besides dev/dsp?
[05:51] <slavik> WHO WAS ASKING ABOUT FREEBSD?!
[05:51] <slavik> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=kill&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html
[05:51] <SEJeff> Azunai, no. I just learned it myself
[05:51] <anarkissed> i have tried to follow instructions found on the web to install kde and it all appeared to work but I'm still in gnome.  I wish to set custom colors on the GUI and don't know what to try next.
[05:51] <frazmanw> someone please tell me were the file is with repositories
[05:51] <Azunai> rjordan, why do you say that?
[05:51] <TheBeast> SEJeff why? forgot to pay the licenses?:D
[05:51] <galgoz> here is a question, when I click on a link in an external app, they don't open into firefox automatically?
[05:51] <Azunai> SEJeff, really?
[05:51] <tritium> frazmanw, /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:51] <whee> guanaco_, look for AllowTcpForwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[05:51] <CanYouHelpMePlz> can somone help me with a command? i want to move all files containing vent to a folder named ventrilo, how would i do this with a command?
[05:52] <SEJeff> TheBeast, java runs 23x faster on Linux than on HP-UX according to benchmarks on our own web applications
[05:52] <guanaco_> Thanks, Whee... I will
[05:52] <SEJeff> TheBeast, that alone is enough reason to switch
[05:52] <holy_cow> hey would anyone be able to tell me what library contains libXaw3d.so.7?
[05:52] <rjordan> Azunai, I've become more proficient at my job and am better positioned for future opportunities because of my *NIX experience. Anyone can learn windows.
[05:52] <TheBeast> oh
[05:52] <slavik> galgoz: is firefox set as the default browser?
[05:52] <holy_cow> i can't find a reference to this anywhere, and xaw3dg package doesn't seem to contain this
[05:52] <SEJeff> rjordan, amen
[05:52] <phiber_optic> can anybody help me pleasee ?
[05:52] <Azunai> SEJeff, im attempting to learn C++ at the min so dont want to get caught up in too much info
[05:52] <galgoz> slavik: I think so, if the only place you set that is in firefox
[05:52] <holy_cow> rjordan, actually most people don't learn windows, they learn the windows gui
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> SEJeff, 23?!?  Wow.
[05:53] <tritium> Azunai, regarding the "E" in MCSE, if you want to call yourself a real engineer, get an engineering degree
[05:53] <Azunai> rjordan, thats very true windows is easy
[05:53] <slavik> hmm
[05:53] <syntax13> can anyone help me with a problem compiling glfw programs? Everything was fine yesterday, and today i'm suddnely getting "Udefined Reference" errors to all the glfw functions
[05:53] <holy_cow> rjordan, anyone can learn a gui, which equally applies to any os as a general rule
[05:53] <Azunai> tritium, no im saving up some cash i want to do a masters degree in computer science :)
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> rjordan, Anyone can learn *some* Windows.  Nobody truly knows how to make it work, because it doesn't.
[05:53] <galgoz> tony: nice
[05:53] <guanaco_> Do I need to add an entry to /etc/ssh/ssh_config?  Before, I was not using PPK and the command ssh -D will work, but know that I use PPK i get permission deniend
[05:53] <anarkissed> tritium the E in mcse stands for expert, microsoft certified systems expert, not engineer
[05:54] <SEJeff> Azunai, I can learn unix skills and write a script to administer 100 computers just as fast as I administer 1. Try doing that with 100 windows servers
[05:54] <holy_cow> Azunai, windows isn't easy, it just has a gui for most average things.  the reason windows is so hacked beyond belief is because average users THINK windows is easy and as such don't bother learning how to properly admin a computer
[05:54] <tritium> anarkissed, that's more appropriate...
[05:54] <slavik> galgoz: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Setting_Your_Default_Browser
[05:54] <phiber_optic> can someone help me with gtk-gnutella?
[05:54] <galgoz> slavid: checking it out thanks
[05:55] <Azunai> holy_cow, hell i disagree everything in windows has easy to use gui's
[05:55] <rjordan> I've never heard a windows admin say 'Now begone! Or I shall replace you with a very small batchfile!'
[05:55] <Azunai> holy_cow, windows is basicaly self explanitory
[05:55] <slavik> galgoz: that was done using google :)
[05:55] <holy_cow> Azunai, it is not self explanatory
[05:55] <Azunai> rjordan, LOL
[05:55] <holy_cow> Azunai, it just seems self explanatory because people have 15 years of training on it
[05:55] <slavik> holy_cow: good point there
[05:56] <anarkissed> does anyone have a suggestion as to where i can go to get real-time help in customizing my ubuntu X desktop?
[05:56] <galgoz> slavik: see, I always think I need the ubuntu forums
[05:56] <cafuego> anarkissed: Most MCSEs are neither engineers nor experts, so i don't think the interpretation matters.
[05:56] <holy_cow> Azunai, its always interesting to watch people make such comments and be totally unaware of the simple fact that using someting for 15 years seems like 'sself explanatory'
[05:56] <Azunai> holy_cow, im 21 lol not had that much training but it really is self explanitory it tells you everything u need to know
[05:56] <holy_cow> Azunai, sorry dude, wrong
[05:56] <Azunai> cafuego, i tend to agree
[05:56] <phiber_optic> can someone help me with gtk-gnutella?
[05:56] <slavik> Some of the problems and peeves that I bring up to some people who are more knowledgable about *nix, they always have an answer
[05:56] <slavik> phiber_optic: does gnutella connect to the server?
[05:56] <anarkissed> cafuego, that's just what m$ has named the degree for mcse so take it up with them
[05:56] <Azunai> holy_cow, thats just my opinion but i really think it does i mean whats not self explanitory?
[05:56] <holy_cow> Azunai, write a gui for all the command stuff in linux and that will seem 'self explanatory' as well
[05:56] <phiber_optic> i dont know I very new to linux
[05:56] <slavik> also, is there a way to run ethereal in a "live mode" ?
[05:57] <draconius> slavik: yes
[05:57] <rjordan> Azunai, I'm 23 and have a lot of practical linux experience, it's a very empowering road to travel, however frustrating :)
[05:57] <cafuego> anarkissed: yeah, "Monkey Certificate" didn't sell well, so they changed it ;-)
[05:57] <Azunai> holy_cow, i cant even install a graphics card in linux writing a gui is a little too hard for me
[05:57] <slavik> phiber_optic: is there a way to check if it is connected to anything?
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> How can I force apt to install --reinstall a package from the repos if a new version was installed manually?
[05:57] <slavik> phiber_optic: It might not be connected
[05:57] <phiber_optic> I think it is not
[05:57] <Azunai> rjordan, were do you start tho?
[05:57] <slavik> tonyyarusso: I think there is a --force option
[05:57] <phiber_optic> how do I make it connect to sommething?
[05:57] <menkent> anyone have a link to a good FAQ on installing printers when the wizard fails to get things working in breezy?
[05:57] <slavik> phiber_optic: in the options?
[05:57] <holy_cow> Azunai, it has to do with 'persistence of belief' once you come to a conclusion about something you will hold on to it no matter what anyone says.  thus i am not trying to change your mind, simply illustrate an alternative possiblity for WHY you have those beliefs :)
[05:57] <Azunai> rjordan, there are so many distro's and commands etc
[05:57] <tritium> tonyyarusso, with that very option (--reinstall)
[05:57] <holy_cow> but go ahead, believe that windows is self explanatory all you want
[05:57] <phiber_optic> What options?
[05:58] <draconius> slavik: when you setup a capture, have the option set that says 'update list of packets in real time"
[05:58] <rjordan> Azunai, I started with OpenBSD. Now I use FreeBSD for my home server and Gentoo linux and ubuntu linux.
[05:58] <slavik> draconius: thanks.
[05:58] <Azunai> holy_cow, as i said its just my opinion because i was trained on it so i have become acustom to it but i may be wrong
[05:58] <galgoz> slavik: it is set as default "firefox %s" is in the box just like the doc you had me read says but clicking on a link still does nothing
[05:58] <slavik> draconius: another ethereal question, can it track which process/binary is sending/receiving packets?
[05:58] <rjordan> Azunai, I highly recommend freebsd as a learning tool and an example of how things should be done.
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> tritium, Reinstallation of xorg-driver-fglrx is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[05:58] <cafuego> anarkissed: Right after the killer asteroid hits
[05:58] <Azunai> rjordan, i tried installing gentoo it took me 12 hours and guesse what
[05:58] <phiber_optic> slavik but  I get 0 nodes, 0 files 0 k9b
[05:58] <PuppiesOnAcid> How do I load stuff onto my ipod through rhythmbox?
[05:58] <slavik> galgoz: read on, it tells you how to reconfigure that.
[05:58] <tritium> tonyyarusso, why do you say that?
[05:59] <CanYouHelpMePlz> is ps aux an absolute list of everything that's running ?
[05:59] <slavik> phiber_optic: 0 nodes probably means that you aren't connected anywhere ...
[05:59] <holy_cow> Azunai, thank you.  that is exactly what i just said.  you have been trained on it.  being trained to use it and something being self explanatory are completely different things :)  again, just a point of interest.  take as you will
[05:59] <anarkissed> ok, i am not going to get help for my problem here I see, so I will go back to the usual places and keep hoping for a break
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> tritium, Because it's registered as not being from the repos?
[05:59] <anarkissed> thanks anyway
[05:59] <draconius> slavik: i am not sure, sorry
[05:59] <phiber_optic> how do I connect to anythign?
[05:59] <slavik> phiber_optic: if nodes are the 'servers' ...
[05:59] <Azunai> rjordan, it installed fine but i couldnt get X to load had a problem when i tried to emerge -ati-drivers so i emerge --pretend ati-drivers and it had a dependancy issue
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> tritium, That's the error I got.
[05:59] <Azunai> rjordan,  so i gave up
[05:59] <slavik> phiber_optic: I have no clue, I don't use gnutella
[05:59] <tritium> tonyyarusso, I see that it's available
[05:59] <rjordan> Azunai, YOU MUST NEVAR GIVE TEH UP!
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> tritium, I know that it's available.
[05:59] <tritium> tonyyarusso, in the repos
[06:00] <phiber_optic> what software do u use to download?
[06:00] <StarKruz1> hi guys.
[06:00] <PuppiesOnAcid> How do I load stuff onto my ipod through rhythmbox?
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> tritium, I have a higher version of the package from a standalone deb installed.
[06:00] <Azunai> holy_cow, i do agree with you seen as my mum is scared of windows but uses mandrake linux and doesnt have a problem its just im that used to it its self explanitory lol
[06:00] <galgoz> slavik: when I run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[06:00] <slavik> tonyyarusso: apt-get doesn't want to do something?
[06:00] <StarKruz1> I have an existing Ubuntu system and have two 30GB drives I want to add to it.
[06:00] <galgoz> slavik: it says I have only one browser installed
[06:00] <menkent> anyone have a link to a good FAQ on installing printers when the wizard fails to get things working (in breezy)?
[06:00] <Azunai> rjordan, dude if you wanna SSH install gentoo il download the live cd right now
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> slavik, Correct.
[06:00] <StarKruz1> is there some way I can join these to the existing partition?
[06:00] <Azunai> rjordan, and at 1200kbs it wont take long
[06:00] <Azunai> rjordan, lol
[06:00] <slavik> tonyyarusso: hold on ...
[06:01] <vultaire> does anyone have a favorite resource for linux c/c++ programming tutorials?  I do a lot of Windoze coding, but I'd like to experiment in Linux with stuff
[06:01] <tritium> tonyyarusso, purge it, and reinstall from the repos.  Why did you do that, by the way?
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> slavik, I have fglrx from ati.com, and I want to change it back to the repos one.  Will wait.
[06:01] <holy_cow> vultaire, google :)
[06:01] <tritium> ati.com has .deb downloads now?
[06:01] <holy_cow> vultaire, the topic is so large as to be unansweable on irc ... pick a project and go from there
[06:01] <slavik> tonyyarusso: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apt-get.8.html
[06:01] <Azunai> tritium, no its a .run file as far as im aware
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> tritium, I thought the repos one wasn't working, only to later find out that it was the program I was testing it with, and now I'm a little suspicious about another problem, since it's the only thing I changed.
[06:02] <rjordan> Azunai, that would defeat the purpose of the task. the idea is to gain the experience of doing it. sometimes multiple times.
[06:02] <slavik> scroll down to '--force-yes'
[06:02] <jbzz> StarKruz1:    You simply want to attach two additional hard drives?
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> Thanks slavik.
[06:02] <slavik> I think youa re looking for that
[06:02] <Hentai^XPwork> Azunai what bugs exactly in windows?
[06:02] <Azunai> rjordan, i havnt got a printer anymore so i cant print the instalation manual man
[06:02] <PuppiesOnAcid> Is it possible to load songs onto an iPod from rhythmbox?
[06:02] <slavik> tonyyarusso: what does apt-get say when you try to install the stuff from the repo?
[06:02] <tritium> tonyyarusso, it's best not to install non-ubuntu packages
[06:02] <vultaire> holy_cow: you're right, I left that one wide open...  I'm trying to find resources that'll teach me the basics of using gcc to compile c++ apps
[06:02] <StarKruz1> jbzz: yup.
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> slavik, Reinstallation of xorg-driver-fglrx is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[06:03] <slavik> tritium: he wants to revert the gfx driver from the ati one to the one in repository
[06:03] <vultaire> holy_cow: and I am searching google, just was hoping someone knew of a good resource off hand
[06:03] <StarKruz1> but I want to make the space in them accessible to, for example, the /home and /var/www partitions.
[06:03] <soap> i've a problem on mysql
[06:03] <tritium> slavik, I know
[06:03] <jbzz> StarKruz1:   Have you added hard drives to your system in the past?
[06:03] <slavik> k
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> tritium, Yeah, yeah...
[06:03] <rjordan> Azunai, the entire gentoo handbook is on the livecd. it prints what you have to type to access it when it boots.
[06:03] <StarKruz1> jbzz: not under Linux.
[06:03] <slavik> tonyyarusso: maybe something with the package file is messed up?
[06:03] <jbzz> StarKruz1:  But under some other operating system?
[06:03] <holy_cow> vultaire, well generally you get an app, uncompress it to a folder, do ./configure, make, mainstall and your done
[06:03] <StarKruz1> sure.
[06:03] <StarKruz1> Windows.
[06:03] <soap> any one can help me
[06:03] <holy_cow> google those commands :)
[06:03] <tritium> tonyyarusso, I'm just telling you.  So if you install some .run from ati.com, you get to fix your system when it breaks
[06:04] <galgoz> slavik: There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser
[06:04] <galgoz> (/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox). Nothing to configure.
[06:04] <StarKruz1> Windows doesn't have the functionality I'm looking for, but I suspect Linux does because of the md subsystem.
[06:04] <holy_cow> makeinstall even (i think, been a while since i had to compile anything)
[06:04] <jbzz> StarKruz1:  OK.  Well do yoiu have enough open connectors for the hard drives?
[06:04] <menkent> anyone have a link to a good FAQ on installing printers when the wizard fails to get things working (in breezy)?
[06:04] <vultaire> holy_cow: I know that and I've done that, but I don't want to just compile from source: I want to write my own apps
[06:04] <StarKruz1> jbzz: this isn't a hardware question :)
[06:04] <slavik> galgoz: try installing mozilla or some other browser and set that as default, the set firefox as default again ...
[06:04] <soap> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[06:04] <soap> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[06:04] <soap> soap@2ndSpace:/etc$ Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[06:04] <soap> bash: Check: command not found
[06:04] <soap> soap@2ndSpace:/etc$
[06:04] <StarKruz1> I know how to connect new drives to my system
[06:04] <tritium> soap, don't paste
[06:04] <galgoz> slavik: will do
[06:04] <slavik> that is the thing I was hinting at (badly)
[06:04] <StarKruz1> !tell soap about pastebin
[06:04] <jbzz> StarKruz1:  Then you want to know how to mount volumes that are already attached?
[06:05] <slavik> galgoz: things like that can happen in windows ... sometimes programs request a special browser instead of the default one
[06:05] <Azunai> Hentai^XPwork, apart from the entire registry filing system is a joke the security of the os there isnt one its ability to spike cpu usage for no aparent reason the way that it handles cab files, the way that the /temp dir is "suppost" to work yet doesnt and another thing i can think of off the top of my head is the way that windows utalizes ram very interesting its not doing anything yet
[06:05] <Azunai> u still get 350mb of ram been used
[06:05] <Azunai> the entire os is a joke
[06:05] <StarKruz1> jbzz: I want to know how to add new drives to my existing filesystem such that they appear to be one seamless volume of storage.
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> slavik, I don't think so, I think it's because it's confused by the version number / markings of where it's coming from.
[06:05] <Azunai> as i previoisly said Bill gates can stick his eula up his arse!
[06:05] <StarKruz1> software raid on the fly, if you will.
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> slavik, --force-yes didn't change anything.
[06:06] <jbzz> StarKruz1:   Do you know about the command named      mount       ?
[06:06] <CanYouHelpMePlz> Azunai: you go girl!
[06:06] <tritium> StarKruz1, you probably want to use LVM
[06:06] <slavik> tonyyarusso: I am out of options ...
[06:06] <galgoz> slavik: I am not using windows???
[06:06] <TheBeast> uniting nations is so gay
[06:06] <slavik> galgoz: scroll down more
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> slavik, If I download the repos .deb separately, dpkg -i always overwrites, true?
[06:06] <StarKruz1> tritium: do tell.
[06:06] <slavik> they have linux and osx even :)
[06:06] <TheBeast> "out of touch" is really..
[06:06] <tritium> tonyyarusso, which version of the driver does apt-get think you have installed?
[06:06] <holy_cow> ah, vultaire in that case i won't be able to give you any pertinent information the answer requires it to be task specific.  your using c++, in which case probably you will either be using gtkmm or qt (gnome or kde tookits) for the project.  once you choose which of those you will use the rest of the answer is fairly simple i think
[06:06] <Azunai> rjordan, but the point is simple once the os is actualy installed i cannot get the x server to work no matter what i do
[06:06] <StarKruz1> I believe the Linux Volume Manager starts at boot.
[06:06] <slavik> tonyyarusso: I am not familiar with dpckg, sorry.
[06:06] <galgoz> slavik: I went to the end
[06:06] <holy_cow> vultaire, sorry for the non answer, best i can do
[06:06] <pussfeller> menkent: try gong to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631 and adding a printer that way
[06:06] <tritium> StarKruz1, I've not used it.  I suggest you read the howto on tldp.org
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> tritium, 8.21.7-0
[06:07] <holy_cow> Azunai, what vid card?
[06:07] <nanotube> hey all. is it just me, or is ubuntuforums down?
[06:07] <rjordan> Azunai, using which driver? the fglrx? (ati-driver)
[06:07] <Azunai> read up on Windows Vista now that made me piss myself when i read what they have done
[06:07] <cafuego> pussfeller: <IP_ADDRESS> you mean?
[06:07] <bimberi> !forumsdown
[06:07] <ubotu> ubuntuforums should be back up at about 23/1/2006 5am UTC
[06:07] <rjordan> Azunai, just use ati for the time being.
[06:07] <phiber_optic> can somebody PLEASE HELP ME WITH GTKgnutella please
[06:07] <nanotube> thanks bimberi :)
[06:07] <slavik> galgoz: I will pm you, the passage, ok?
[06:07] <tritium> tonyyarusso, please run "apt-cache policy xorg-driver-fglrx"
[06:07] <Azunai> rjordan, the emerge -ati-driver
[06:07] <vultaire> holy_cow: hey, thanks, I appreciate what you could answer with =)
[06:07] <bimberi> nanotube: yw :)
[06:07] <slavik> phiber_optic: read the docs on how to get connected ...
[06:07] <galgoz> slavik: sure
[06:07] <Azunai> holy_cow, Ati X850XT PE
[06:07] <Uraeu> hi guys
[06:07] <rjordan> Azunai, did you ask in #gentoo
[06:07] <phiber_optic> i read but it doesnt say
[06:07] <holy_cow> Azunai, so how far did you get with the driver install info on the wiki?
[06:08] <Azunai> rjordan, couldnt install irc client
[06:08] <tritium> Azunai, which driver are you installing?
[06:08] <menkent> pussfeller, it won't let me log in... just keeps asking for username/pass over and over and over...
[06:08] <rjordan> emerge bitchx
[06:08] <Azunai> tritium, the one of the ati site?
[06:08] <steve_laptop> is it me or is ubuntu forum down .org
[06:08] <Azunai> holy
[06:08] <pussfeller> menkent: i forgot ubuntu disables that by default
[06:08] <cafuego> Why can't people read the topic?
[06:08] <tritium> Azunai, I wouldn't do that.  Please use the ubuntu fglrx packages instead.
[06:08] <Azunai> holy_cow, i downloaded the one from the ati site and followed the instructions exactly as they said
[06:08] <holy_cow> ah forget it, i won't help you with that
[06:09] <holy_cow> use the ones from the repo
[06:09] <Uraeu> guys, where can i get ddd debbuger for ubuntu
[06:09] <Azunai> tritium, dont i have to uninstall the ones i have???
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> tritium, That's what I just did.  8.21.7-0.  And it shows two repos options, security restricted and regular restricted, 6.8.0-8.16.20.
[06:09] <holy_cow> downloading from ati, you should know that ati makes shit drivers even for windows
[06:09] <menkent> yer, ubuntu seems to have disabled quite a bit by default. i haven't had any luck finding faqs to get around such problems
[06:09] <tritium> tonyyarusso, you got that .deb from ati.com?
[06:09] <bimberi> Uraeu: it's in the universe repository ...
[06:09] <bimberi> ubotu tell Uraeu about universe
[06:09] <tritium> Azunai, you should, yes.
[06:09] <tritium> !tell Azunai about ati
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> tritium, Correct.  As part of the .run that creates for various distros.
[06:09] <bimberi> ubotu tell steve_laptop about forumsdown
[06:09] <pussfeller> menkent: what is the specific error you are getting? are you using the right drivers?
[06:10] <Azunai> holy_cow, yeh but in windows i just use the Saphire drivers (the manufactor of the card :)
[06:10] <tritium> tonyyarusso, and why can't you simply purge that package, and then reinstall from the repo:
[06:10] <Uraeu> how do i add it to my repository ?
[06:10] <holy_cow> i don't care, you are at fault for buying a shit card, from a shit company, that makes shit drivers
[06:10] <pussfeller> menkent: you might try linuxprinting.org to find which drivers you need if ubuntu cant autodetict it
[06:10] <slavik> holy_cow: the market would disagree with you
[06:10] <holy_cow> go use windows then :) it will make your life easier with such crappy hardware
[06:10] <steve_laptop> bimberi, thanks
[06:10] <Azunai> tritium, yeah one of them sites i followed the instructions exactly so i guesse im gunna have to do the other one
[06:10] <menkent> yea, using the right driver. no error at all really, just nothing comes out of the printer. it detects fine and i click "print test page" but nothing happens
[06:10] <bimberi> steve_laptop: yw :)
[06:10] <DarkSenay> How do you use the alien command for .rpm files in ubuntu
[06:10] <slavik> since ati and nvidia have close to 50% each in the desktop graphics market
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> tritium, Because errors are encountered when processing it.
[06:11] <Azunai> tritium, but dont i have to unistall the ones in installed first?
[06:11] <pussfeller> holy_cow: thats not a real helpful answer
[06:11] <holy_cow> slavik, market share is not indicative of quality
[06:11] <tritium> Azunai, I would highly recommend it.
[06:11] <slavik> holy_cow: I would diagree.
[06:11] <slavik> pussfeller: what was your question?
[06:11] <Azunai> rjordan, i couldnt access irc man it let me download eveerything i needed but i got connection blocked when attempting to access an irc server
[06:11] <holy_cow> pussfeller, indeed it is.
[06:11] <Azunai> tritium, how do i uninstall them?
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> tritium, With dpkg-divert.
[06:11] <pussfeller> slavik: i have no questions
[06:11] <slavik> k
[06:12] <phiber_optic> nobody wants to help me
[06:12] <phiber_optic> :(
[06:12] <Azunai> u guys are linux pro's whats better Gnome unbuntu or KDE unbuntu?
[06:12] <tritium> Azunai, sorry, ati.com downloads aren't really the topic of support here
[06:12] <holy_cow> phiber_optic, maybe no one is around that knows the answer to your question, hang in there
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> Azunai, Personal preference.  I like Gnome.
[06:12] <Azunai> tritium, so what do i do?
[06:12] <slavik> Azunai: If you ask Linus, he will say KDE
[06:12] <aranis> Azunai: your choice.
[06:12] <holy_cow> Azunai, dumb question, its like asking what is better, vanilla or chocolate.  use what you like
[06:12] <phiber_optic> most people i think they use gnutella
[06:12] <galgoz> azunai, I like the look of gnome better
[06:12] <phiber_optic> and cannot help me
[06:12] <Toma-> Azunai, same poo, different smell :)
[06:12] <aranis> i like xfce :-)
[06:13] <Azunai> ok then whats faster performance wise?
[06:13] <slavik> phiber_optic: have you read the docs or used google to find out how to connect?
[06:13] <holy_cow> Azunai, same
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> Azunai, xfce.
[06:13] <thechris> Azunai: i would try out both.  i have issues with GTK+ apps.
[06:13] <phiber_optic> yeah
[06:13] <galgoz> azunai, I hear windowmaker is faster
[06:13] <slavik> 0 nodes means you aren't connected to anything ...
[06:13] <phiber_optic> But I dont find anything
[06:13] <rjordan> phiber_optic, that's right! noone wants to help because you seem to be incapable of following instruction!
[06:13] <Toma-> Azunai, both are pretty big and heavy. both are quick if you chop alot of stuff out of them tho
[06:13] <JDigital> I like Gnome but I'm not a huge fan of Nautilus
[06:13] <tritium> Azunai, does ati.com have instructions on how to uninstall?
[06:13] <slavik> I tried xfce ... it isn't for me ... at least yet
[06:13] <thechris> i like xfce's look, but ended up using KDE and configuring it to look like xfce
[06:13] <Toma-> galgoz, what about twm >_>
[06:13] <slavik> Apple needs to release the source code for their OSX GUI
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> Toma-, Such as?  (To chop out.)
[06:14] <Azunai> tritium, no they dont have instructions on how to install i followed the wiki guide on drivers from ATI site
[06:14] <Toma-> tonyyarusso, nautilus :D
[06:14] <galgoz> toma, no idea, haven't tried it, just repeating what I have read :)
[06:14] <MickMcMack> slavik, just look at Enlightenment. ;-)
[06:14] <holy_cow> slavik, oh god not, not that mosntrosity!
[06:14] <Toma-> hehe
[06:14] <holy_cow> :)
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> Toma-, I see.
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> Toma-, In favor of?
[06:14] <Azunai> tritium, but seen as those drivers dont work is it really a nessesity to unsintal them?
[06:14] <tritium> Azunai, next time, follow the ubuntu wiki site, and install ubuntu packages.  It'll be much less painfull.
[06:14] <Azunai> tritium, i can try :P
[06:14] <menkent> ok, the only error i can half-way find is that now when i go into the printer's options it says under Status "Printing: Printer off-line."
[06:14] <slavik> MickMcMack: I tried it once ... didn't like at the time ... was long time ago ... although I heard that it was very nice ...
[06:14] <tritium> go for it, Azunai
[06:15] <Azunai> tritium, on my way :(
[06:15] <Toma-> tonyyarusso, i guess if you replace metacity with say, something lighter, you could get a nice boost. replace nautalis with rox-filer :D
[06:15] <galgoz> slavik, I did a google search on creating a symlink for firefox 1.5 and it is on the ubuntu forums :) guess I will find the answer when the forums are back up
[06:15] <pussfeller> menkent: you wight try doing a tail -f /var/log/cups/error_log
[06:15] <slavik> galgoz: you are using badger?
[06:15] <slavik> galgoz: did you set up  1.5 the same way as in the wiki guide?
[06:15] <Toma-> im running xfce on a 266 right now, im gonna try getting rid of alot of the slow-downs and get initng to get it quick
[06:16] <Kevman_> Has anyone ever tried to install Java on PPC?
[06:16] <galgoz> slavik: automaix set up my firefox
[06:16] <slavik> 1.5?
[06:16] <slavik> on badger?
[06:16] <galgoz> slavik: yeah, on ubuntu 5.10
[06:16] <holy_cow> Toma-, in all honesty, its cheaper to just get a new system for 300$.  that would include a 64 bit cpu as well
[06:16] <galgoz> slavik: did I break it heheh :)
[06:16] <holy_cow> :)
[06:16] <Azunai>  The model of the card is in the 9xxx series, 9500 or higer. Or it is in the X series (eg X300) i take it that means i can use these drivers for an X850 XT PE card?
[06:16] <menkent> I [22/Jan/2006:23:12:21 -0600]  Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops (PID 1 0875) for job 6.
[06:16] <menkent> I [22/Jan/2006:23:12:21 -0600]  Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 10876) for job 6.
[06:16] <menkent> I [22/Jan/2006:23:12:21 -0600]  Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb (PID 10 877) for job 6.
[06:16] <menkent> W [22/Jan/2006:23:12:21 -0600]  [Job 6]  Printer off-line.
[06:16] <slavik> galgoz: no clue
[06:17] <Tired_> Hello.  A friend of mine asked me to install Linux for dual-booting, just to see what the fuss is about.  I have a 2.5 GB partition available.  Will Ubuntu work well in that little space?
[06:17] <slavik> on vmware, I used the wiki guide ... didn't notice any problems
[06:17] <tritium> menkent, no pasting please
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> !tell menkent about paste
[06:17] <menkent> phew, i figured the channel would kill me for spamming with that yea yea
[06:17] <galgoz> slavik: no worries, like I said, according to my google search the answer is on the forums and they will be back up soon
[06:17] <slavik> also, for the ati install guide: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.21.7-inst.html
[06:17] <Toma-> holy_cow, i know :D its only a temporary solution till i get the cash for an uber-system. after that, ill give this to my g/f as a media centre so she can watch dvds + copy them to the hdd and so on
[06:17] <holy_cow> Tired_, why bother ... download the trial for vmware for them and install it on that
[06:17] <jbzz> How would I make a Ubuntu user belong to more than one group?  I do not see a way to set that in 'Users and Groups'.
[06:17] <slavik> galgoz: did you try the google cache file?
[06:17] <galgoz> slavik: no, good idea
[06:17] <Tired_> cuz I wasn't asked to do that.  :/
[06:17] <TheBeast> Tired_ get the livecd
[06:17] <holy_cow> Tired_, if they are looking at 'what the fuss is about' you can just wipe vmware off their system after 30 days
[06:17] <TheBeast> burn and release teh power
[06:18] <tritium> jbzz, you can use the adduser command, for one
[06:18] <pussfeller> menkent: if its not offline, and its not a usb hub problem, or a driver problem, I don't know, I wish i did
[06:18] <nanotube> Azunai: did you see this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:18] <nanotube> azunai: it says that it is ok to use the drivers from ati.com...
[06:18] <jbzz> tritium:  I will investigate.  Thanks.
[06:18] <Tired_> I have the live cd, but that wasn't what i asked.
[06:18] <tritium> jbzz, the manpage gives simple instructions on how to use it
[06:18] <slavik> how do I get to the web admin for ubuntu?
[06:18] <slavik> they need to make the wiki search box easier to get
[06:18] <jbzz> tritium:  Roger that.  Thanks.
[06:18] <holy_cow> Tired_, your going to hose his system getting it to dual boot, its the wrong approach 'to see what the fuss is about'
[06:19] <Azunai> nanotube, yeh i already installed them and they dont work on my card :(
[06:19] <slavik> and make the doc links more straight forward
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> Back to repos' fglrx!  (dpkg -i worked)
[06:19] <menkent> thx for the try. i'm too annoyed to mess with it more tonight. everything i find online says to mess with it in CUPS, which ubuntu won't let me do.
[06:19] <Kevman_> I'm installing Java from the IBM SDK. Running ./Java from its install point works, but after I do the alternatives stuff, I get a Java: command not found error trying to run it. Help?
[06:19] <Azunai> ok on this Wiki guide it says update the kernal should i or should i skip that?
[06:19] <nanotube> Tired_: 2.5 gb is quite enough to install ubuntu on.
[06:19] <tritium> how goes it, cafuego?
[06:19] <Tired_> Thank you nanotube.  :)
[06:19] <nanotube> tired_: just dont get too happy installing a bunch of large packages
[06:20] <Azunai> ok on this Wiki guide it says update the kernal should i or should i skip that?
[06:20] <nanotube> tired_: and of course, be careful and make sure you know what you are doing :)
[06:20] <Tired_> no, i was thinking just basic desktop stuff like firefox, gaim, etc
[06:20] <TheBeast> did anyone got a soulseek client to work on linux?
[06:20] <eli> anyone here know how to change the resolution on fglrx for ati after installation?
[06:21] <nanotube> tired_: firefox, gaim, etc all come with the default install. so seems that you should be ok. :)
[06:21] <Azunai> TheBeast, were u from mate?
[06:21] <eli> i have a widescreen and it is showing by default another resolution
[06:21] <tritium> !tell eli about resolution
[06:21] <TheBeast> Azunai Earth?
[06:21] <Tired_> sweet.  I've heard ATI drivers for Linux are kinda rough...the system has an old 3D Rage Pro...is that old enough to have decent linux support?
[06:21] <TheBeast> you can find good music on slsk
[06:22] <Azunai> TheBeast, lol
[06:22] <holy_cow> eli, before you can change resolution, you haveto have the proper refresh rates in your /ect/X11/xorg.conf file.  look up your monitore on the net for vertical and horizonal refresh rates, and google xorg.conf to know where to put them in.  after that restart x and you will be able to change reso from system/preferences/screen resolution
[06:22] <plastik> anyone aware of a website with perhaps a idiots guide to linux and/or ubuntu?
[06:22] <eli> thanks tritium and holy_cow
[06:22] <nanotube> tired_: i dont know specifically for that card... but chances are good. :) you could always test it out booting from a livecd, before installing to the hd, to make sure all the hardware you care about is supported.
[06:22] <prof> hi, i was wondering if anyone could help me with a resolution problem. i have a radeon 9600, and a widescreen LCD. the resolution on the LCD won't go above 1024x768, but when i ran fglrx-config i included other resolutions.  I thought I would try this.
[06:23] <Azunai> right according to the wiki file ive just installed the ubunutu ati drivers i bet this doesnt work and i copied and pasted every command!
[06:23] <heqq> who can tell me the "system monitor" is belong to which packages?thanks
[06:24] <plastik> thanks for the answers I'll look into them
[06:24] <tritium> heqq, gnome-applets
[06:24] <Azunai> right il brb when ive rebooted and then rededited my xorg.conf file to bloody ati again cus x didnt load :S brb
[06:24] <holy_cow> heqq, its in the default install, its just an applet.  right click on the panel, add applet, select system monitor
[06:25] <adub> is there commands to let you know your processor and ram
[06:25] <heqq> thanks tritium
[06:25] <bshumate> !funky
[06:25] <ubotu> it has been said that funky is Get up,  (git awn up),   Get up,  (git awn up),  Stay on the scene (git awn up)..... like an ubuntu machine,  (git awn up). yeah granddaddy of funk :]
[06:25] <holy_cow> that azunai kid is a bit think, *sigh*
[06:25] <nanotube> heqq: there is a package called 'gnome-system-monitor'
[06:25] <holy_cow> thick even
[06:25] <frogzoo> adub, cat /proc/cpu etc
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> holy_cow,  :P
[06:25] <psusi> omfg, roflmfao
[06:26] <nanotube> heqq: holy_cow speaks true - it is in the default install, so you really shouldnt have to install it manually.
[06:26] <irvin> !easysource
[06:26] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:26] <psusi> toejam and earl style
[06:26] <Tired_> nanotube -> good idea, I hadn't thought of that.  Thanks a lot for the straight answers  :)
[06:26] <prof> is it possible to have dual monitors work in linux as they do in windows? i can get 2 desktops, but i can't drag things between the monitors. and i can get 1 long destop, but i can't maximize a program to one monitor...
[06:26] <cr1mson> How do I add a command line when booting ubuntu?
[06:26] <heqq> i want to know the package if i report the defect
[06:26] <nanotube> tired_: no prob. i am a newbie to ubuntu myself (3 weeks), though ive done a bunch of other *nix stuff before, so i had the same questions as you :)
[06:27] <TheBeast> what's this fashion with 2 monitors?
[06:27] <holy_cow> prof, very easy i do it all the time.  prof the only catch is we don't really have a gui to set it up.  you have to do it manually via command line.
[06:27] <adub> frogzoo command not doing the trick
[06:27] <TheBeast> it's stupid to have something between your displays
[06:27] <TheBeast> :)
[06:27] <prof> i like to be able to drag things back and forth, thebeast
[06:27] <Tired_> ;)  well, when I become less of a newb, I'll be sure to come back and return the favour to another newbie.
[06:27] <TheBeast> I understand
[06:28] <holy_cow> prof, the general idea is buy a dual head card (easiest to setup), make sure its nvidia, use nvidia dual head thing not xinerama, go to wiki.ubuntulinux.org site and find the dual head setup it is by far the easiest setup info you will find anywhere
[06:28] <frogzoo> prof, yes, it can be done - you'll need to tweak xorg.conf
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> This is kind of weird.  Ubuntu is picking up users so fast sometimes I feel like I've been using it a long time hearing other people's times.  (Definitely not the case.)
[06:28] <prof> i have a radeon 9600, holy_cow
[06:28] <prof> i have the 2 seperate desktops working right now
[06:28] <Genel> hello!! ^_^
[06:28] <holy_cow> prof, *ugh* strongly urge you to ditch it, i don't know how that will handle dual head
[06:29] <irvin> can anyone pls give me the link of seveas repos? thanks
[06:29] <prof> got it for $20 ;)
[06:29] <irvin> Seveas: ping?
[06:29] <holy_cow> maybe someone here has setup dual head on ati, prof sorry not sure about ati
[06:29] <prof> no problem, thanks anyway
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> !tell irvin about seveas
[06:29] <Genel> amm.. i have a problem with my Ubuntu installation.. can someone help me?.. =$
[06:29] <frogzoo> prof, just google 'dual head ati' - should do
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> irvin, Thar ya go.
[06:29] <holy_cow> prof, try my steps anyway, theyshould help you dig up the info
[06:30] <irvin> thanks tonyyarusso
[06:30] <johndarkhorse> Genel: if you ask a question, someone will answer
[06:30] <slavik> Genel: we'd try ... but we don't know what you want
[06:30] <Genel> 0k.. what is IRQ?
[06:30] <holy_cow> prof, what frogzoo said, i have been reading this chan for last 1 hour and EVERY SINGLE question could easily be googled :)
[06:30] <borisattva> i did a succesfull mount of a network drive, but when i browse it via the point at /mnt/sharedfolder all files that are named with accented characters become converted to regular and inaccessible. while if i browse the same folder via network there are no problems... is there something i have to specify in the fstab for it to mount with full character support?
[06:30] <frogzoo> Genel, the point is, asking for help just wastes b/w - just ask your question
[06:30] <rixth> How can I log someone off?
[06:30] <rixth> They are logged on to localhost
[06:30] <frogzoo> holy_cow, snap!!
[06:30] <prof> yeah, i've been trying. so many similar, but not quite the same, questions get in the way =)
[06:30] <Genel> the installation says that.. i have a wrong IRQ.. or something like that
[06:31] <Genel> how can i fix it?.. =\
[06:31] <slavik> Genel: a 'wrong' IRQ can quite possibly be very bad ...
[06:31] <gbleem> are other people having problems with ubuntu forums?
[06:31] <slavik> or very minor.
[06:31] <slavik> Can you report the entire error?
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> I don't remember my installation experience, so for a turn of role, this is for the brand-new users to answer probably: How did you figure out where to go for help right of the bat?  Did something tell you the first time you booted up?
[06:31] <borisattva> gbleem: i think theyve exceeded this user connections.
[06:31] <prof> no
[06:31] <slavik> There are many things that can happen with IRQs
[06:31] <Genel> i think that's all =\
[06:31] <holy_cow> Genel, move one of your cards to another slot :) that is the usual reason, but not always
[06:32] <Genel> how can i fix it?
[06:32] <borisattva> maximum pc an many othe rpublications did article son them so they are flooded with newbs
[06:32] <prof> i just opened up x-chat and connected to the ubuntu server and this room popped up automatically
[06:32] <Genel> .o
[06:32] <Genel> :o
[06:32] <slavik> Genel, you need to be sure ...
[06:32] <gnudreamer> how do i figure out what kernel version I am using?
[06:32] <holy_cow> borisattva, the did an article on ubuntu?
[06:32] <prof> all of the few distros i've used have all been similar as far as their help chat
[06:32] <sethk> gnudreamer, uname -a
[06:32] <tritium> gnudreamer, uname -r
[06:32] <rixth> gnudreamer, uname -a
[06:32] <Genel> that's all!..
[06:32] <slavik> gnudreamer: badger uses the 2.16.12
[06:32] <frogzoo> Genel, you can pass the irqs to the driver from /etc/modprobe.d
[06:32] <holy_cow> your kidding ... those windows blowholes did an article on linux?
[06:32] <holy_cow> wow
[06:32] <slavik> I think
[06:32] <Genel> the wrong IRQ
[06:32] <borisattva> holy_cow: i dont think irq can be switched by changing the slot, you probably have to change a jumper setting of a sort to change the peripherals IRQ settings
[06:32] <tritium> !your
[06:32] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what you're talking about, tritium
[06:33] <slavik> borisattva: it can, but depends on the system
[06:33] <borisattva> holy_cow: yeah on their website about the ease of install
[06:33] <slavik> in a modern system, all PCI cards must be able to share IRQs ...
[06:33] <gnudreamer> does anyone have a link on how to install  driver from a tar.gz package?
[06:33] <holy_cow> borisattva, depends on the mother board, no mother boards have irq's anymore except really really really cheap ones, usually irq's are manually assigned by bios
[06:33] <sethk> borisattva, that isn't quite true, at least for PCI devices.  PCI devices are scanned sequentially and the IRQs assigned automatically.  So moving to a different slot can indeed change the IRQ
[06:33] <slavik> in old ISA/PCI system, you could set the IRQ on the card itself (I have some card with jumpers for that)
[06:33] <Toma-> anyone had to deal with the cs_46xx driver before? im getting a hard lockup with my system when its inserted
[06:33] <sethk> borisattva, plus, there is no other way to change it, other than using the BIOS if it has those features
[06:33] <holy_cow> what sethk said, infact almost all pci mobos do this
[06:34] <borisattva> thanks :) learned something.. (i left the pc scene in the late 90s, so my knowledge is ISA age)
[06:34] <sethk> slavik, that's quite true of isa
[06:34] <slavik> sethk: sometimes the BIOS isn't asked ...
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> prof, So you had to know to use XChat first?
[06:34] <holy_cow> right and even overclocking these days is done via bios, no mobos have dip switches
[06:34] <prof> yeah. it's labeled "XChat IRC" so if you know you can get help on IRC, you should be able to figure it out
[06:34] <sethk> slavik, true, nevertheless, the pci bus is scanned sequentially, regardless of whether the bios or the os does the scanning
[06:34] <slavik> sethk: I know that Window's HAL can assign an IRQ of 23 or some such ...
[06:34] <tritium> gnudreamer, which driver?  You might not need to go through the trouble
[06:34] <slavik> sethk: I wouldn't know that.
[06:34] <holy_cow> borisattva, dude, i stopped reading this channel two weeks ago, i can't believe how many newbs have flooded in here for example ... things change instantly i guess :)
[06:34] <sethk> slavik, most processors don't even have an IRQ of 23
[06:34] <gnudreamer> bttv
[06:35] <tritium> gnudreamer, that's already supported
[06:35] <ninja> anyone else running dapper got a laggy mouse in xorg?
[06:35] <slavik> sethk: that was my point.
[06:35] <tritium> gnudreamer, modinfo bttv
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> prof, Well, that's something.  But a lot of people I talk to have never heard of IRC.
[06:35] <slavik> sethk: I believe the highest is 15 (0-15)
[06:35] <prof> true
[06:35] <slavik> the Window's HAL reassigns them
[06:35] <pablo928> holy_cow: I have a recent Asus mb that has dip switches.
[06:35] <kred> anyone know whats up with the english ubuntu forums?
[06:35] <prof> lot of people haven't heard of linux, either ;)
[06:35] <borisattva> holy_coq: yep.. i feel bad for the forum host, i can only imagine the load the server is going through. hopefully they'll bring it back up. its such a good search reference
[06:36] <galgoz> slavik: my browser issue is fixed, thanks
[06:36] <holy_cow> ninja, dapper has been undergoing majour xorg work recently, just wait and keep dist-upgrading ... also file / search bugs.  irc is not the best place for DEVELOPMENT release questions to be honest
[06:36] <gnudreamer> when a run the lshw command my tv card reads as unclaimed
[06:36] <holy_cow> pablo928, wow, go figure
[06:36] <slavik> galgoz: did you do what the guide said?
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> I realize it would look sort of tacky, but I kind of think it would be a good idea for the default desktop background to be instructions about the different help options (IRC, Wiki, Forums, etc.).
[06:36] <tritium> gnudreamer, is the bttv module loaded?  Are you sure your card has that chipset?
[06:36] <slavik> galgoz: even Linux is not free of problems that Windows had first. ^^
[06:36] <prof> maybe an intro thing like some other distros have, instead? includes basic functions and where to get help...
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> Or at least maybe a popup message just for the very first boot after install.
[06:37] <gnudreamer> I found references to my card (zoran chipset) in reference to bttv...
[06:37] <kred> anyone know why the ubuntu forums are down for so long?
[06:37] <gnudreamer> I doubt the mod is loaded
[06:37] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, that is indeed tacky, default desktop perhaps should have an applet that is obvious in some way with an option to permanently turn it off after first popup
[06:37] <frogzoo> server crash
[06:37] <slavik> prof: Then there are many things that need to be changed on the installation ... like making it graphical.
[06:37] <aaron> hello.
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> holy_cow, That would be better.
[06:37] <quacker> All my IDE controllers are set to DMA = 0 (off) and hdparm -d1 /dev/hd# doesn't work
[06:37] <kred> do you know how long they have been down?
[06:37] <galgoz> slavik, I did the symlink stuff
[06:38] <frogzoo> quacker, man /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:38] <prof> i mean on first boot, slavik. or first log in per account
[06:38] <tritium> gnudreamer, lsmod | grep bttv to find out
[06:38] <slavik> like in the wiki page?
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> slavik, Believe it or not, I liked not having a graphical installer.
[06:38] <frogzoo> quacker, oh, & you need to be root
[06:38] <aaron> I'm running debian . . .Sarge I think and I'm having problems with MSN and GAIM. MSN gets to the "getting cookie" part of the sign on and then hangs, then reports that I've been disconnected. Any takers?
[06:38] <quacker> frogzoo, do you know how to read?
[06:38] <galgoz> slavik, I know all OS's have their issues, I just like linux's issues more :)
[06:38] <kred> frogzoo, do you know how long they have been down?
[06:38] <borisattva> kred: i think at this point they are just rejecting connections and as such not exactly down. probablymaxed out their simultaneous limit
[06:38] <quacker> frogzoo, STFU please, I'm using a root shell
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, That sounds about right!
[06:38] <adub> Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8    cat /proc/version gave me that information??   i thought i was running 5.10  can someone tell me what their ubuntu displays on version
[06:38] <frogzoo> quacker, no quacker, what's reading?
[06:38] <tritium> quacker, be kind, please
[06:38] <gnudreamer> I can't find a definite card and tuner setting for my card
[06:38] <pestilence> i need to update the bios on my machine, but i don't have windows or a floppy, or any of the other usual suspects to do the flashing.  any ideas?
[06:38] <gnudreamer>  lsmod | grep bttv what should that command have done?
[06:38] <frogzoo> quacker, gl with that :p
[06:39] <borisattva> if kept refreshing it every few mins and a couepl of times it went through seemingly with many posts in between so some peopel are just camping on thier connections i guess
[06:39] <galgoz> tony; plus I like the open source community and how they help each other
[06:39] <slavik> galgoz: I don't ... because I don't know how to fix them. :(
[06:39] <kred> borisattva, ah thx just been trying it for a couple days and still down
[06:39] <galgoz> slavik: you just did
[06:39] <slavik> like which script the $PATH gets set ...
[06:39] <galgoz> slavik: google the problem and find the solution
[06:39] <prof> so would anyone have any idea why my LCD resolution will only allow me to set it at 1024x768 while my CRT monitor can go to 1280x1024, when i have them both set up in my xorg.conf to take 1600x1200 and they are both capable of it?
[06:39] <tritium> gnudreamer, if it returned nothing, the bttv module is not loaded
[06:39] <quacker> Anyone *else* know of a reason why IDE hosts will ignore hdparm?
[06:39] <gnudreamer> ahh
[06:39] <gnudreamer> hmmm
[06:39] <aaron> I'm running debian . . .Sarge I think and I'm having problems with MSN and GAIM. MSN gets to the "getting cookie" part of the sign on and then hangs, then reports that I've been disconnected. Any takers?
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, The first time I came in here I just about died...past experience with Windows phone-in tech support, and then this.  A bit of a shock.
[06:40] <cappicard> if the IDE device doesn't support the function you're trying to send it
[06:40] <hotczech> is ubuntuforums.org down or something?
[06:40] <tritium> gnudreamer, try loading it, and see how that helps (sudo modprobe bttv)
[06:40] <galgoz> tony: yeah, I was a tech support guy in the past
[06:40] <holy_cow> prof, you need the proper vertical and horizontal refresh rates for each monitor.  please google the rates for each moni and add them in the right spot in xorg.conf
[06:40] <papawiskas> yes it is hotczech
[06:40] <galgoz> tony: own my own business now
[06:40] <hotczech> thx
[06:40] <prof> ok, thanks
[06:40] <holy_cow> prof, as per last comment, easily googleable tho :) c'mon
[06:40] <windowful> How do I give a bash script permission to run as root, even if the user calling the script hasn't got root permissions?
[06:40] <prof> i'll check that
[06:40] <prof> what would you google to find that out?
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> aaron, Can you confirm that it's not just an MSN server issue?
[06:40] <papawiskas> anyone know when the forum will be returning?
[06:40] <slavik> galgoz: where do the $PATh and the $SHELL variables get set?
[06:41] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, just curious what you mean 'shock' ... how so?
[06:41] <slavik> and how do I get ksh to be emacs mode and not vi mode?
[06:41] <galgoz> slavik: in windows?
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, Nice.  I seem to end up doing tech support, but haven't figured out the part about how to get paid for it yet.
[06:41] <slavik> galgoz: on linux ...
[06:41] <aaron> tonyyarusso: I don't think it is; my friends can sign on on their non-linux boxes and there seems to be some forum traffic about this problem.
[06:41] <gordon> can anyone selse here get on to the ubuntuforums? (ubuntuforums.org).
[06:41] <galgoz> slavik: hehehe, I don't know
[06:41] <aaron> tonyyarusso: none of that helped, though.
[06:41] <robotgeek> slavik: set -o vi sets vi mode in bash, i've never used ksh
[06:41] <galgoz> slavik: I can tell you on windows
[06:42] <slavik> galgoz: I need it for linux
[06:42] <aaron> gordon: I tried today and couldn't
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> holy_cow, Like when a person is warmed up too fast after a brush with hypothermia.  It was a very drastic and sudden difference.  (In a good way!)
[06:42] <gnudreamer> the grep command returned info how do i check or configure the mod?
[06:42] <slavik> I think that .. and . should be included in the PATH
[06:42] <gordon> dam, what a pin...thier so usefull.
[06:42] <gordon> s/pin/pain/
[06:42] <adub> Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8    cat /proc/version gave me that information??   i thought i was running 5.10  can someone tell me what their ubuntu displays on version
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> aaron, Well at least that rules out the easy option.  Nuts.
[06:42] <slavik> robotgeek: does that option have to be set once or every time you get a new shell?
[06:42] <nanotube> windowful: do 'chmod u+s scriptname'
[06:42] <galgoz> slavik: soory too new to linux
[06:43] <slavik> galgoz: exactly ...
[06:43] <nanotube> windowful: but consider whether you really want to do it :)
[06:43] <robotgeek> slavik: i believe you need to find such an option . i would suggest "man ksh"
[06:43] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, lol, the thing about windows is that it has a gui for almost everything and as such you can remain a retard and think you actually have some skills.  linux being wide open just doesn't have the gui automateion (just yet), so being a retard is highly costly in this community.  some day that will change tho and you will be able to click and be a retard :)
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> adub, You want cat /etc/issue.
[06:43] <slavik> robotgeek: man doesn't always work
[06:43] <holy_cow> god my spelling sucks :) heh
[06:43] <windowful> nanotube, why not?
[06:43] <gnudreamer> tritium the grep command returned info how do i check or configure the mod?
[06:43] <gordon> galgoz: use vi, learn to use it...very powerfull and universal. dont get into nano or any of that crap.
[06:43] <robotgeek> slavik: maybe ~/.kshrc
[06:44] <slavik> I was complaining about how bash is better than ksh, because it happens that bash is emacs mode by default and ksh is vi mode by default (I did not know it was possible)
[06:44] <galgoz> slavik: I did a google search on " where do the $PATh and the $SHELL variables get set in linux" and it has some interesting results
[06:44] <cafuego> !your is <reply> Your what? Did you mean 'You are'?
[06:44] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> holy_cow, I've really enjoyed learning command line stuff too.  It's really powerful.  On that note though, have you seen the screenshots of gdebi?
[06:44] <slavik> the look from my classmates was ... "you know, you can change ksh into emacs mode instead of the vi mode" ...
[06:44] <nanotube> windowful: well, its generally considered a bad idea to run stuff as root, unless you really have to.
[06:44] <aaron> I'm running debian . . .Sarge I think and I'm having problems with MSN and GAIM. MSN gets to the "getting cookie" part of the sign on and then hangs, then reports that I've been disconnected. Any takers?
[06:44] <tritium> gnudreamer, you can configure the module by passing it parameters when it loads.  You can specify these in /etc/modules
[06:44] <slavik> galgoz: it also depends on the distro
[06:44] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, nope, what is it?
[06:45] <HwyXingFrog> Has anyone set up Azureus?
[06:45] <galgoz> slavik, which was why I was in the habit of just doing those searches on the ubuntu forums
[06:45] <nanotube> slavik: have you looked at .bashrc?
[06:45] <slavik> aaron: if I were you, I'd try a debian support channel.
[06:45] <galgoz> hwy: I use azureus
[06:45] <aaron> slavik: okay, thanks.
[06:45] <windowful> nanotube, even if it's a prewritten script that's bug free (and yes, it's short enough that I'm certain of that)
[06:45] <slavik> nanotube: first time I heard of it ... but it isn't a real problem I was having
[06:45] <galgoz> hwy: i had it installed by automatix
[06:45] <aaron> (though I think the same problem exists with gaim ubuntu)
[06:45] <HwyXingFrog> galgoz: I need to get the new java then install azureus, how do i do it?
[06:45] <holy_cow> HwyXingFrog, yeah it's just java. nothing to setup, make sure you have java installed, donwload jre and do java -jre package.jre and go
[06:46] <holy_cow> its that wimple mate
[06:46] <slavik> aaron: what version of gaim?
[06:46] <nanotube> windowful: well if you are sure its good, then its no problem. it's just "general philosophy" so as to discourage you to run everything as root. :)
[06:46] <heatxsink> anyone in here know if the fglrx driver supports multiple displays like the nvidia driver?
[06:46] <holy_cow> simple even
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> holy_cow, Let's you install downloaded standalone .deb packages on the desktop with dependencies taken care of by double-clicking them, like Windows click-to-install .exes.  Will be in Dapper.
[06:46] <galgoz> use synaptic package manager to install automatix
[06:46] <frogzoo> !tell HwyXingFrog about java
[06:46] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, is this a new app for ubuntu ... url?
[06:46] <robotgeek> !automatix
[06:46] <ubotu> hmm... automatix is messy, breaks all sorts of security guidelines, and is not open to improvement. In short: DO NOT USE IT!
[06:46] <frogzoo> !tell HwyXingFrog about azureus
[06:46] <nanotube> slavik: .bashrc in your home directory sets up a bunch of stuff in your environment, including $PATH and $SHELL...
[06:46] <galgoz> hwy: then automatix will install it
[06:46] <borisattva> w00t
[06:46] <slavik> nanotube: I want to set them globally
[06:46] <HwyXingFrog> THANKS GUYS
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, fyi, people here don't take too kindly to suggesting automatix.
[06:46] <galgoz> ubotu: is that the official ubuntu ruling on automatix
[06:46] <ubotu> No idea, galgoz
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> !automatix
[06:47] <Toma-> anyone had to deal with the cs_46xx driver before? im getting a hard lockup with my system when its inserted
[06:47] <robotgeek> slavik: also ~/.bash_profile
[06:47] <aaron> slavik: not sure. How do I find out?
[06:47] <slavik> aaron: what version of GAIM are you using?
[06:47] <windowful> windowful, ubuntu pretty well protects against THAT by not giving us a #!$@ root account
[06:47] <matt__> hi all , does anyone know the fix for apt-get removing phpmyadmin?
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> Sorry, that was redundant.
[06:47] <slavik> get the buddy list (somehow) and then help -> about
[06:47] <tritium> windowful, it's there, but disabled for security
[06:47] <slavik> if it's 1.5 ... read the topic in the gaim channel ...
[06:47] <robotgeek> matt__: apt-get remove phpmyadmin ?
[06:47] <galgoz> tony: no idea automatix was bad
[06:47] <slavik> if it's MSN, assume the server is at fault.
[06:47] <cafuego> matt__: Fix it by not removing something phpmyadmin depends on (like say php or mysql)
[06:48] <aaron> hmmm. okay.
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, Try easyubuntu instead.
[06:48] <matt__> robotgeek: yeah I get errors when I try to remove it
[06:48] <galgoz> tony: I am new to ubuntu and linux and I thought automatix was part of ubuntu
[06:48] <matt__> cafuego: if I try to remove anything it depends on it wont remove either
[06:48] <robotgeek> matt__: hmm, can you paste them the pastebin?
[06:48] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, well thats a simple app, you can write that in python in no time.  all it does is automate dpkg -i packagename for you
[06:48] <galgoz> tony: easyubuntu?
[06:48] <slavik> automatix?
[06:48] <aaron> slavik: could this have something to do with being in a hotel in China and the way they have the network set up here? Maybe the local srever is refusing the cookie??
[06:48] <cafuego> matt__: Put the errors on the pastebin.
[06:48] <windowful> tritium, uh... what security do you gain by disabling root and then giving an open sudo to the user?
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, Seems to be a common error, it's been deprecated in favor of easyubuntu.
[06:48] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, frankly its not an interesting idea to me, its needed maybe for newbs and windows users
[06:48] <tritium> !tell windowful about rootsudo
[06:48] <matt__> whats the pastebin.. sorry im new
[06:48] <cafuego> !paste
[06:48] <ubotu> paste is, like, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:48] <gbleem> why would the root terminal in the Applications menu sometimes work and sometimes not?
[06:48] <slavik> aaron: if you're in china, you're safer not using an internet connection at all
[06:49] <galgoz> tony: can you install easyubuntu via synaptix?
[06:49] <matt__> !paste
[06:49] <frogzoo> !tell matt__  about pastebin
[06:49] <slavik> and you believe what the local gov't tells you to believe ...
[06:49] <cafuego> matt__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:49] <slavik> better for your health ;)
[06:49] <galgoz> brb, going back to gnome, this blue is driving me nuts
[06:49] <aaron> slavik: ?? why is that (pardon my ignorance)
[06:49] <slavik> aaron: commies don't like 'spies' ;)
[06:49] <nanotube> slavik: check /etc/profile
[06:49] <cafuego> aaron: I think slavik has been influenced by the media a bit too much
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> holy_cow, While it may not interest a lot of people who know what they're doing, it has the significance of addressing one of the key issues potential migraters have, increasing the likelihood of a switch.
[06:49] <holy_cow> slavik, one can always proxy out of chine, its not an issue frankly, the problem is them finding a proxy their govt doesn't know about
[06:50] <slavik> cafuego: sorry, was born in a commie country ...
[06:50] <Timberwolf_42> Hello
[06:50] <slavik> nanotube: I'll look into it, ty
[06:50] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, A LOT OF WORK is needed to get us to the point of being 'GUIRIFFIC' like osx or windows.     I keep hearing about stuff that can be done with it without much trouble.
[06:52] <Timberwolf_42> I'm just pleased that I've  managed to connect here
[06:52] <robotgeek> slavik: offtopic, please?
[06:52] <slavik> then simply execute (not the software way) you
[06:52] <slavik> :)
[06:52] <slavik> sorry, robotgeek, he asked.
[06:52] <tritium> gnudreamer, sorry to hear that
[06:52] <cafuego> slavik: Dude
[06:52] <nanotube> tonyarusso: yea, python is cool. :)
[06:52] <holy_cow> tonyyarusso, its one of the easiest ways to learn programming, i'm learning it as i go
[06:52] <frogzoo> can the chinese discussion please -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:52] <borisattva> slavik: just as it was in the CCCP, yet people found ways.
[06:52] <slavik> haha
[06:52] <Timberwolf_42> I have no real question yet I just assumed I might  do well to sit here and absorb awhile
[06:52] <gnudreamer> ould you be able to tell me how I can look at the bttv configuration?
[06:52] <borisattva> my apologies frog
[06:52] <cafuego> Much as it is in the US, should you happen to be in Guantanamo Bay.
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> Timberwolf_42, A good strategy.
[06:52] <mint> "unable to copy user's xauthorization file"
[06:52] <tritium> please move the offtopic political discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:53] <holy_cow> Timberwolf_42, osmosis is how everyone learns, welcome
[06:53] <mint> when i go into users and groups
[06:53] <mint> anyone ?
[06:53] <nanotube> Timberwolf_42: yea, sitting around is never a bad idea. just watch out that your eyes dont glaze over from constant up-scrolling :)
[06:53] <galgoz> tony: that was easyubuntu right?
[06:53] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, correct.
[06:53] <robotgeek> galgoz: check your PM's
[06:53] <gnudreamer> tritium.... im actually happy to have someone throw me a bone i've been working on this for awhile
[06:53] <galgoz> when I do a search on tht in synaptic I find nothing
[06:53] <tonyyarusso> !easyubuntu
[06:54] <robotgeek> galgoz: it's not in synpatic
[06:54] <tritium> gnudreamer, modinfo bttv lists all kinds of parameters that can be passed to the module
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu/
[06:54] <Timberwolf_42> Point well taken nanotube
[06:54] <galgoz> apt-get install easyubuntu ?
[06:54] <matt__> nevermind.. i got it
[06:54] <plastik> is there some reason synaptic is telling me i have the lastest ver of firefox, when i know it's up to at least 1.5
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> galgoz, No, ^^.
[06:54] <slavik> galgoz: apt-get install best-os-evar
[06:54] <nanotube> !ff1.5
[06:54] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:54] <thewayofzen> forums been down for long?
[06:54] <nanotube> plastik: check above line
[06:55] <tritium> plastik, because 1.5 is not in the repository, so wha you have is the latest in that repo
[06:55] <slavik> plastik: 1.0.7 is latest in repos
[06:55] <robotgeek> plastik: cause you did not install it from the repos
[06:55] <gnudreamer> wow...so what kind of syntax might I use to play with parameters tritium
[06:55] <galgoz> hehehe
[06:55] <thewayofzen> (i cant connect so im assuming thats it)
[06:55] <slavik> plastik: hold on
[06:55] <slavik> plastik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?highlight=%28firefox%29
[06:55] <slavik> tells you how to install 1.5 if you want it.
[06:55] <tritium> gnudreamer, usually you don't need to fuss with any parameters, but if you must, you'd pass them when you modprobe the module, or list them alongside the module name in /etc/modules
[06:56] <funkyMiNT> "unable to copy user's xauthorization file"
[06:56] <funkyMiNT> whats with the forums
[06:56] <funkyMiNT> are they down
[06:56] <plastik> thanks
[06:56] <slavik> I think wiki pages like that should be easily accessible ...
[06:56] <nanotube> funkymint: yes, they are down.
[06:56] <bimberi> !forumsdown
[06:56] <ubotu> ubuntuforums are moving to a new server and should be back up at about 23/1/2006 15:00 UTC (10am US EST)
[06:56] <windowful> tritium, This isn't about increasing security, it's about protecting yourself from stupidity.  I understand that's one of the features of "user friendly" and one of the major flaws with m$.  Still, lets call a spade a spade
[06:56] <frogzoo> tritium, /etc/modules is deprecated - use /etc/modprobe.d/xxx/yyy
[06:56] <eli> !ati
[06:56] <ubotu> hmm... ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:56] <tritium> windowful, actually, there are security benefits to the sudo model
[06:57] <eli> hmm thats not going to work
[06:57] <TokenBad> what is command to view partions in ubuntu?
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> whats a good task/project for a newb in linux
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> any suggestions
[06:57] <bimberi> TokenBad: df
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> TokenBad, fdisk -l or df
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> to learn a some good stuff
[06:57] <gnudreamer> which tv viewer do you use tritium
[06:57] <eli> !fglrx
[06:57] <frogzoo> TokenBad, sudo fdisk -l
[06:57] <ubotu> well, fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:57] <nanotube> funkymint: what kind of project are you talking about?
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> ahh
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> anything
[06:57] <windowful> tritium, Except for the brute force issue, which is solved by not having a dumb password (back to stupidity) what?
[06:57] <cafuego> funkyMiNT: Do a mail merge in OpenOffice.org 2
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> i dont know what to do with ubuntu now that i have it installed
[06:57] <nanotube> !rootsudo
[06:57] <ubotu> I guess rootsudo is explained at  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo   also see /msg ubotu root
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> i installed FF 1.5
[06:57] <TokenBad> thanks everyone
[06:57] <tritium> gnudreamer, I used tvtime and xawtv, I believe.  It was quite some time ago
[06:57] <funkyMiNT> that was interesting
[06:58] <funkyMiNT> i installed gnome-art
[06:58] <funkyMiNT> set the root pass
[06:58] <nanotube> windowful: check out that rootsudo link for a pretty decent explanation of the ubuntu sudo model.
[06:58] <Timberwolf_42> Ok Dumb question #1 Is there a default location where image files such as the background images used for ubuntu are stored?
[06:58] <anavim> !webcam
[06:58] <ubotu> I guess webcam is now easy to install, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam - webcam support soon to be available in amsn and gaim-vv.
[06:58] <gnudreamer> I will try those..mostly just playing with some hardware from my old winblows bo
[06:58] <funkyMiNT> i am getting some crazy error saying "unable to copy user's xauthorization file" when i try to go into user and groups
[06:58] <gnudreamer> box
[06:58] <tritium> funkyMiNT, punctuation in place of repetetive line feeds is always nice
[06:58] <holy_cow> Timberwolf_42, /usr/share/pixmaps ... /usr/share/wallpaper i think? something like that
[06:58] <nanotube> funkymint: well, its a computer... do whatever you usually do with a computer :)
[06:59] <windowful> nanotube, I just did, that's what I'm coming back from
[06:59] <cafuego> Turn it off and go for a swim. Much better for you.
[06:59] <rixth> funkyMiNT, look at the wiki page..... it mentions that
[06:59] <holy_cow> Timberwolf_42, in command line you can do locate wallpaper and it should give you paths that you can look into
[06:59] <nanotube> windowful: ah ic :)
[06:59] <tritium> windowful, you're definitely entitled to your opinion.  I'm not keen to argue the point.
[07:00] <RickBauer> are the forum pages down?
[07:00] <Timberwolf_42> Aha!
[07:00] <Timberwolf_42> I now have a blue background lol
[07:00] <Timberwolf_42> <-- easily amused
[07:00] <RickBauer> lol
[07:00] <bimberi> !forumsdown
[07:00] <ubotu> ubuntuforums are moving to a new server and should be back up at about 23/1/2006 15:00 UTC (10am US EST)
[07:00] <DarkSenay> how do you su to root in the gui?
[07:00] <holy_cow> Timberwolf_42, art.gnome.org ... check out stuff in there ... check out system/preferences/theme
[07:01] <RickBauer> bimberi  ty
[07:01] <holy_cow> Timberwolf_42, right click on desktop, change bckgrnd ... some fun stuff
[07:01] <bimberi> RickBauer: yw :)
[07:01] <frogzoo> DarkSenay, sudo -s
[07:01] <Azunai> ok its official ive just had to completley reinstall ubuntu
[07:01] <Timberwolf_42> no no don't want to mess with the desktop
[07:01] <Timberwolf_42> Its fine
[07:01] <frogzoo> DarkSenay, but not really recd'd under x
[07:01] <Azunai> Kde screwed my entire system
[07:01] <windowful> tritium, Allow me to rephrase that as a question:  Is there any genuine security issue that sudoers helps with *other* than the brute forced password issue?
[07:01] <tritium> Azunai, that was likely not necessary
[07:01] <RickBauer> <-- ITSa341 in hiding  ( forgot my password ) thanks for the help the other night also bimberi
[07:02] <holy_cow> Azunai, rofl :)
[07:02] <DarkSenay> yeah, i need to be root in the gui
[07:02] <DarkSenay> not in term
[07:02] <bimberi> RickBauer: ah, np :)
[07:02] <cafuego> DarkSenay: yeah, 'sudo <command>' when logged in as user.
[07:02] <cafuego> DarkSenay: Works fine for X commands too.
[07:03] <cedriczg> you mean be root at nautilus?
[07:03] <Azunai> no really it was
[07:03] <Azunai> i rebooted
[07:03] <RickBauer> bimberi   I never did figure it out. Had a power failure while running fsck and ended up reloading anyway. :-(
[07:03] <nanotube> darksenay: what exactly do you wanna do as root in the gui?
[07:03] <Azunai> and my pc froze on something like Teting batery wtf us that about
[07:03] <tritium> Azunai, it likely could have been fixed without reinstall
[07:03] <Azunai> how i coulnt even get to ubunto login
[07:03] <borisattva> does anyone have a link to a good SMB/fstab guide? my eyes are bleeding from reading through inapplicable results on google
[07:03] <gnudreamer> tritium   would you mind glancing at this?
[07:03] <holy_cow> Azunai, all of that is usually an easy fix
[07:04] <gnudreamer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7508
[07:04] <Timberwolf_42> Woo hoo
[07:04] <tritium> windowful, you'll get both sides of the argument, depending on who you ask
[07:04] <PraduK> Hi, do you guys know where I can get the x-window header files and libraries?
[07:04] <holy_cow> Azunai, it is fine to reinstall as a newb if you want to, eventually you will get to the point where morally it's imperative to be able to resolve it without a reboot/reinstall tho :)
[07:05] <windowful> tritium, I know the argument against sudo, what's the argument for sudo over su -c?  I know why sudo over su
[07:05] <tritium> PraduK, xlibs-dev
[07:05] <Azunai> holy_cow, ok but can u explain why my pc got stuck and froze on Testing Batery?? and y the hell is it testing for a batery in the first place unbutnu didnt do it only kubuntu :S
[07:05] <cafuego> Do you think you should be compiling software if you don't?
[07:05] <frogzoo> windowful, all sudo access is logged...
[07:05] <PraduK> Yes
[07:05] <RickBauer> bimberi  Some advise needed. What do you recommend for an easy to use ( backing up and restoring  LOL ) backup program? Preferably something graphical that can be automated
[07:05] <frogzoo> windowful, also, sudo has finer grain control
[07:05] <PraduK> just tell me caf
[07:06] <gnudreamer> tritium   would you mind glancing at this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7508
[07:06] <holy_cow> Azunai, i would need a lot more info about your hardware config and overall situation, i'm assuming everything is working now and therefore its  question that cannot be answered
[07:06] <tritium> gnudreamer, I am looking at it now
[07:06] <frogzoo> RickBauer, tar will suit most tasks - but no gui
[07:06] <gnudreamer> tritium thank you
[07:06] <PraduK> I need it to compile xboard so that I can use it with my chess engine
[07:06] <RickBauer> frogzoo ty
[07:06] <tritium> gnudreamer, you're sure your card is supported by bttv?
[07:07] <PraduK> http://witz.sf.net/
[07:07] <cafuego> PraduK: Well, apt-file would be a good place to start.
[07:07] <fangorious> the homepage for gnome-bluetooth shows a context-menu in nautilus to "send via bluetooth" but I don't seem to have that, any ideas how to enable it?
[07:07] <PraduK> I tried
[07:07] <windowful> frogzoo, got it
[07:07] <PraduK> it wasn't found
[07:07] <frogzoo> RickBauer, if you want incremental backups it gets more complex
[07:07] <tritium> PraduK, I told you the package name
[07:07] <PraduK> oh
[07:07] <PraduK> let me see above
[07:07] <nanotube> rickbauer: check out the backuppc package
[07:07] <RickBauer> nanotube ty
[07:08] <gnudreamer> tritium, when i search my card on google it comes up in lists of bttv supported cards, but it never specifies which card number and tuner number it uses
[07:08] <Azunai> holy_cow,  no its only working cus i reformated and reinstalled so no kunbuntu system is amd athlon xp 3200+ ATI X850XT PE GC 3gb Kingston hyper-X ram Asus mobo 500 wat psu there was no error the machine just locked up every time i rebooted with the message Testing Batery (when its first loading all the modules in the kernel?
[07:08] <PraduK> thanks tritium I totally missed yoru IM
[07:08] <gnudreamer> aitech wavewatcher pci
[07:08] <nanotube> rickbauer: though read the web documentation before installing... its pretty heavy on the dependencies. may or may not be what you are looknig for.
[07:08] <gnudreamer> zoran chipset
[07:08] <netdur> paltalk client for gnome?
[07:08] <nanotube> rickbauer: i think its a sourceforge project. so backuppc.sf.net should take you there. if not, google :)
[07:08] <RickBauer> I'm used to ghost, goback and retrospect
[07:09] <holy_cow> Azunai, it just means that kernel module was attempting to install and probably crashed.  all you haveto do is add it to the black list in /etc and reboot and you would be good to go
[07:09] <tritium> gnudreamer, I have to get going now.   Good luck.
[07:09] <gnudreamer> thanks :)
[07:09] <tritium> good night
[07:10] <Azunai> holy_cow, how i couldnt do anything it froze before i could even get near the console login? i even tried hitting esc for grub options and all of those did hte same?
[07:10] <frogzoo> nanotube, there's a backuppc pkg for breezy - installing now
[07:10] <holy_cow> Azunai, one would enter grub and do it from there, or run a live cd and do it from there
[07:10] <nanotube> rickbauer... i dont know if there is anything ghost-like...
[07:10] <Timberwolf_42> Ok I have to register somewhere?
[07:10] <tonyyarusso> Is there an easy way to draw a keyboard map for a font?  It's ttf.  (Non-Latin characters, I need a reference.)
[07:10] <Azunai> holy_cow, i dont have the live cd :P i have the main install cd :D
[07:10] <holy_cow> Timberwolf_42, register for what?
[07:11] <nanotube> frogzoo: yes, i know there is a package. i was recommending he read the documentation before installing that package. but well, have fun, and let me know if you are successful setting it up. :)
[07:11] <Azunai> holy_cow, anyways apt-get install Kubuntu-Desktop for kubunti aint it?
[07:11] <Timberwolf_42> I don't know lol I tried to send a message to netdur and something cam eup in the main window about registering
[07:11] <Timberwolf_42> I saw a blip about a paltalk client?
[07:11] <holy_cow> Azunai, so what i am getting here is that you are intersted in proving that you are totally incapable of solving the problem?  i'm just suggestion options ...
[07:11] <RickBauer> nanotube  If not I'll just have to learn something else. I like to experiment and tend to break things sometimes.  LOL I'm just getting tired of haveing to start over from the beginning.
[07:12] <slavik> what can I use to sync/access my pocketpc in linux?
[07:12] <Azunai> holy_cow, im incapable of using linux at the minuite lol
[07:12] <Toma-> how do you remove a module and all its deps? eg, if rmmod returns "module in use"
[07:12] <Azunai> holy_cow, but that will change :)
[07:12] <Azunai> holy_cow, rapidly :D
[07:12] <h2theizzo> could someone help me with hosts?
[07:12] <holy_cow> Azunai, heh, so you have it solved or not?
[07:12] <nanotube> rickbauer: yea, such is life. :) for now my backup is basically burning stuff to cd once in a while. ;)
[07:12] <slavik> h2theizzo: could you state your problem?
[07:12] <h2theizzo> sure
[07:13] <Azunai> holy_cow, hell no i just reinstalled lol gunna try and install kde again apt-get install Kubuntu-Desktop right?
[07:13] <h2theizzo> www.broken-pipe.net is a registered domain
[07:13] <h2theizzo> and it points to my IP
[07:13] <holy_cow> Azunai, correct
[07:13] <h2theizzo> now my ubuntu runs apache2
[07:13] <nanotube> azunai: just stick with gnome, you will have an easier time of it!
[07:13] <slavik> Azunai: why not get the kubuntu install cd?
[07:13] <Azunai> nano really?
[07:13] <h2theizzo> but the host name is as follows, <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu
[07:13] <malikyo> excuse me for asking this but is grep usually a slow thing
[07:13] <slavik> h2theizzo: right
[07:13] <RickBauer> nanotube I'm learning this slowly and having trouble doing it.
[07:13] <h2theizzo> i want it to say www.broken-pipe.net
[07:14] <h2theizzo> i dunno how to change it
[07:14] <h2theizzo> and theres a catch
[07:14] <slavik> I get a 404 for that address.
[07:14] <Azunai> slavik, because when i downloaded it from unbuntu site it was only downloading at like 90kbs so i just went for the fastest download :P
[07:14] <nanotube> azunai: since you claim to have no linux experience, i would recommend gnome for you. kde is more of a "power user" interface, more difficult to use than gnome.
[07:14] <RickBauer> nanotube   but, I'm still having fun
[07:14] <holy_cow> Azunai, you have the choice of a kubuntu cd as mentioned, but in all honesty there is no difference.  its just installing a different group of packages by default
[07:14] <h2theizzo> lol well i needa update the domain
[07:14] <Azunai> nanotube, but it looks cool :D
[07:14] <slavik> Azunai: no commend then ...
[07:14] <h2theizzo> dood is sleepin that has control of it
[07:14] <gnudreamer> how does one unload a module?
[07:14] <slavik> h2theizzo: well, the hosts file should be in /etc/
[07:15] <slavik> more specifically, it should be the /etc/hosts
[07:15] <h2theizzo> ueah
[07:15] <h2theizzo> i can edit it
[07:15] <h2theizzo> but
[07:15] <Azunai> holy_cow, i just like the way kde looks and theres so many themes for kde based on films tv series etc i cant seem to find any for gdm
[07:15] <h2theizzo> ive changed it to www.broken-pipe.net
[07:15] <nanotube> azunai: though if you really insist on using kde, probably what slavik recommends about getting the kubuntu cd will be easier. (though shouldnt make a diff, since it didnt work for you before, better do the cd)
[07:15] <h2theizzo> and then the system wouldnt respond to well
[07:15] <slavik> the hosts file is only for your system ...
[07:15] <h2theizzo> yeah
[07:15] <RickBauer> Azunai  I am a newbie also and I tried the kubuntu cd on this laptop. Sure runse faster with Gnome.
[07:15] <holy_cow> Azunai, whatever you like
[07:15] <h2theizzo> thing is, that pc is on a nat
[07:15] <RickBauer> runs
[07:15] <nanotube> rickbauer: fun is the most important :) well, having a working system is pretty important too, but you know what i mean.
[07:15] <h2theizzo> so the pcs ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:15] <slavik> you want to set that url to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:15] <user1> anybody can help?
[07:15] <slavik> set it to the loopback IP
[07:15] <h2theizzo> no
[07:16] <Azunai> slavik, na ur right il downlaod the kubuntu cd just incase i need it :)
[07:16] <user1> how can i install Yahoo Messenger on my ubunto?
[07:16] <Azunai> RickBauer, hmmm
[07:16] <slavik> user1: use gaim
[07:16] <h2theizzo> what?
[07:16] <user1> are they looks the same?
[07:16] <h2theizzo> hang on
[07:16] <nanotube> aaah hehe h2theizzo: then you have to configure your router to forward the port
[07:16] <slavik> yes
[07:16] <nanotube> h2theizzo: otherwise it will not work
[07:16] <h2theizzo> its already forwarded
[07:16] <user1> how can i get the gaim?
[07:16] <h2theizzo> my ip changed
[07:16] <Azunai> ok general question for a complete imbosile who knows as much about linux as he does about astro physics what is the best desktop manager to use gdm?
[07:16] <h2theizzo> so www isnt pointing to me yet
[07:17] <malmeida> hi
[07:17] <slavik> user1: if you are using ubuntu 5.10, it's installed
[07:17] <mitrovarr> does anyone know if you get a performance boost by running the 686/k7 kernels as opposed to the general 386 one?
[07:17] <slavik> application -> internet -> gaim :)
[07:17] <holy_cow> Azunai, the one designed for it, metacity
[07:17] <nanotube> user1: gaim is installed by default on ubuntu. just open up your applications menu, ... yea slavik already beat me to it :)
[07:17] <h2theizzo> bahaha
[07:17] <h2theizzo> im lost
[07:17] <slavik> HA!
[07:17] <Azunai> holy_cow, metacity? apt-get install metacity-Desktop?
[07:17] <slavik> nanotube: some day, not only will I be faster than you, I will also give more correct answers ^^
[07:17] <slavik> h2theizzo:
[07:17] <user1> will my yahoo address can comuunicate with me in here?
[07:17] <h2theizzo> i cant change my ip on the ubuntu to match the www.broken-pipe.net ip cuz im on the nat
[07:18] <slavik> you have apache2 running, correct?
[07:18] <h2theizzo> yeah
[07:18] <nanotube> h2theizzo, well, just wait til the domain points to the correct ip. in the meantime, test it by going directly to ip rather than using the domain.
[07:18] <h2theizzo> i can goto <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:18] <slavik> h2theizzo: open your web browser
[07:18] <holy_cow> Azunai, its installed by default, don't be messing with that shit :) play with kde before you go switching window managers
[07:18] <h2theizzo> k
[07:18] <slavik> ok, so that ip works?
[07:18] <nanotube> slavik: :)
[07:18] <h2theizzo> yeah <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:18] <RickBauer> nanotube  I bought this particular laptop just for ubuntu so dependable was not supposed to be  important during the learning curve. But, then lightning got past my ups and surge suppressor so my windows machine is down.
[07:18] <rafael> is somabady install limewire on ubuntu
[07:18] <slavik> ok
[07:18] <rafael> ???????????????????
[07:18] <galgoz> If I choose to uninstall something in synaptic and it says it is going to remove ubuntu-desktop also? does that mean what I think it means??!!
[07:18] <slavik> so you want to set that ip to the address?
[07:18] <h2theizzo> no
[07:18] <moto> i'm running warty ubuntu here, i'd like to install 5.
[07:19] <slavik> galgoz: ubuntu is not a real package
[07:19] <moto> 5.1
[07:19] <nanotube> h2theizzo: 192.168 is your internal ip. it is not reachable from the outside. you have to set your domain to point to your external ip - the router's ip.
[07:19] <user1> how can i create account in gaim?
[07:19] <holy_cow> Azunai, if you want an entirely cool experience, let me find you a great debian based install with enlightenment, that will knowck your socks off.... e17 can have a movie as a desktop background for example
[07:19] <slavik> moto: 5.1 doesn't exist
[07:19] <holy_cow> sec
[07:19] <h2theizzo> www.broken-pipe.net will point to my ip of <IP_ADDRESS> tomorrow
[07:19] <moto> i'm running warty ubuntu here, i'd like to install 5.1. but cant figure out how to burn a bootable cd
[07:19] <Azunai> holy_cow, i like kde :P it just froze my machine last time i think il stick with gnome for a while though could use a good theme site as the default gdm kinda looks a little how to put this not to my taste
[07:19] <slavik> user1: select an account type (MSN)
[07:19] <slavik> user1: fill in the username and password and save.
[07:19] <galgoz> slavik: so it is safe to proceed
[07:19] <user1> how about in yahoo?
[07:19] <Poleris> Hi - I was wondering how to permanently spoof a MAC address so it doesn't change on bootup. If you can help me, please msg me. :)
[07:19] <slavik> galgoz: from what I've been told, yes.
[07:19] <nanotube> rickbauer: ooh, wow... quite a coincidence.well, since you are up to the point of worrying about backups, you are probably already way on your way to having a working system :)
[07:20] <h2theizzo> Slackwise
[07:20] <h2theizzo> er
[07:20] <Azunai> holy_cow, omg cool but there is one big issue it needs to support ati cards and have high perfomance for gaming :P
[07:20] <galgoz> slavik: I like your anser :)
[07:20] <h2theizzo> slavik can u msg me
[07:20] <galgoz> proceeding
[07:20] <slavik> galgoz: my understanding is that ubuntu-desktop is there to require a load of other packages, some which maybe be useless.
[07:20] <h2theizzo> squelch is turned down :P
[07:20] <galgoz> slavik: and I am wanting to remove some of them
[07:20] <slavik> h2theizzo: what do you want to do?
[07:20] <moto> can anyone direct me to a site for burning bootable CDs? i have the ISO already
[07:20] <galgoz> slavik: I was just afraid it would remove all of them
[07:20] <Azunai> holy_cow, really u dont need to go looking for more distro's etc im happy with ubuntu (its my first sucsessfull linux install :D)
[07:20] <h2theizzo> lemmy start over
[07:20] <holy_cow> Azunai, drivers have nothing to do with your desktop environment.  a driver is a driver is a driver, all that matters for drivers is kernel version
[07:21] <Azunai> holy_cow, thats true :P
[07:21] <holy_cow> http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/About/  <-- check this out if you like eye candy
[07:21] <slavik> h2theizzo: what are you trying to do with your ip and the address?
[07:21] <holy_cow> e17 has some video demos online that are cool too
[07:21] <Azunai> holy_cow, for now il stick with KDE
[07:21] <RickBauer> nanotube I sit here and collect url in my bookmarks folder. some good howto's posted in here. helps with the learning curve   LOL  and I do require some help there right now.
[07:21] <hkais> hi
[07:21] <hkais> !+fakeroot
[07:21] <ubotu> hkais: Some people juggle geese
[07:21] <slavik> you want to set the address to point to 168.x.x.x?
[07:21] <Azunai> holy_cow, instead of installing Kubuntu cant u just apt-get KDE?
[07:21] <nanotube> rickbauer: hehe, well, you are in the right place for help :)
[07:21] <oceandead> galgoz it is safe to remove ubuntu-desktop (its a metapackage) - but it is advised to reinstall it before upgrading next ubuntu release
[07:21] <holy_cow> Azunai, why are you interested in linux? just curious
[07:22] <h2theizzo> www.broken-pipe.net will point to my real ip of <IP_ADDRESS>, the apache2 is on my box and works now, what i want to do is change the host from <IP_ADDRESS> localhost localdomain ubuntu, to whatever ip i need since im behind the nat,and make it says www.broken-pipe.net
[07:22] <holy_cow> Azunai, well you just did, kde-desktop or whatever it is
[07:22] <galgoz> oceandead, by doing the apt-get?
[07:22] <holy_cow> Azunai, you can also aptget e17 too i think
[07:22] <galgoz> coeandead, easy enough
[07:22] <Timberwolf_42> Awesome
[07:22] <slavik> h2theizzo: there is no reason to do that ...
[07:22] <hkais> !+fakeroot
[07:22] <ubotu> hkais: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:22] <Azunai> holy_cow, for me personaly its a learning curve i like to learn new things and its something different im sick and tired of having to reformat windows xp every month because of its inability to perfom as an os
[07:22] <hkais> !+find fakeroot
[07:22] <ubotu> fakeroot: (Gives a fake root environment), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.5.1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 332 kB
[07:22] <Timberwolf_42> I'm rockin now figure dout I can get here via gaim also
[07:22] <slavik> when the dns lookup happens ... it first looks in hosts file(s), the goes to the dns servers
[07:23] <holy_cow> Azunai, there are a lot of desktop environments out there, somve extremely light and easy to run even on the crappiest hardware (of which you don't seem to have an issue with except that you run ati)
[07:23] <h2theizzo> ah
[07:23] <h2theizzo> k
[07:23] <h2theizzo> also
[07:23] <h2theizzo> speaking of DNS
[07:23] <slavik> outside people won't see the page anyway
[07:23] <Timberwolf_42> Hi there Holy cow
[07:23] <slavik> since the global dns is pointing to the wrong ip
[07:23] <h2theizzo> well
[07:23] <holy_cow> Azunai, ah, after a while you will be able to fix anythin on ubuntu, shouldn't ever need to reformat, expect its common while learning
[07:23] <h2theizzo> it wont be tomrrow
[07:23] <frogzoo> holy_cow, there's nothing wrong with ati with the fglrx driver
[07:23] <oceandead> linux has made me lazy in a way - i feel spoiled i dont have to spend umpteen hours running scans for malware
[07:23] <Azunai> holy_cow, im seriously thinking about getting that duel nvidia card thing and putting 2 nvidia 512mb cards on it :P
[07:23] <h2theizzo> my ip changed today and so everything hasnt got updated
[07:23] <Azunai> frogzoo, wanna bet mate
[07:24] <slavik> h2 once a change to the dns is amde, it is said to take upto 72 hours to propogate through all dns servers
[07:24] <h2theizzo> i coudlnt find a dns daemon package
[07:24] <holy_cow> frogzoo, talk to the hand brotha :) i run heavy 3d apps, ati is a joke. period.  end of discussion.  if anyone runs ati they aren't using it to its full potential
[07:24] <Azunai> frogzoo, if theres nothing wrong with ati with the fglrx drivers then why doesnt it seem to like my card?
[07:24] <frogzoo> Azunai, I'm running on 2 ati cards 9700 + x850
[07:24] <wizardjames> is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ down?
[07:24] <h2theizzo> wizardjames i couldnt get there either
[07:24] <slavik> h2theizzo: if you have a dynamic ip, look into dyndns.org (or .com I forget which)
[07:24] <galgoz> wizjames: they will be back soon
[07:24] <wizardjames> ok..then i am not losing my head.
[07:24] <gbleem> anyone have an idea on this: The root terminal in the applications menu won't work.
[07:24] <nanotube> h2theizzo... well, what you really want to do, since you are behind the nat: have your domain point to your "real" ip, then have your router forward port 80 to your internal nat ip (the 192.168...), and have your apache listen on the correct interface. (but its been a long time since ive set up apache... go to apache.org homepage for help)
[07:24] <sirbijan> hi everybody
[07:24] <galgoz> wizjames: fixing an erro
[07:24] <h2theizzo> well i have a domain through wox.org
[07:24] <h2theizzo> it only takes a few minutes
[07:24] <sirbijan> it's about 2 days I can't open www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:24] <sirbijan> what is wrong?
[07:24] <frogzoo> Azunai, which model?
[07:25] <holy_cow> frogzoo, i'm canadian and by all rights i should want to actually support ati, them being canadian ...
[07:25] <wizardjames> ah ok, thats good..    theres a repos i was lookin at that i want..
[07:25] <sirbijan> can you guys open it?
[07:25] <Azunai> holy_cow, i disagree well in windows i use 3dmax and play alot of games so high end performance is a must and in windows ATI beats nvidia hands down!
[07:25] <nanotube> h2theizzo: but you just have to wait until the dns record updates wit hyour new ip. oh well, nothing to do about that.
[07:25] <h2theizzo> i let my friend have control of it he is home more then i
[07:25] <Azunai> frogzoo, ATI X850XT PE
[07:25] <gbleem> can someone change the topic to a message about the forums?
[07:25] <h2theizzo> hmm
[07:25] <h2theizzo> doesnt look like theres any ops
[07:25] <encompass> I don't know nvidea makes a card that is pretty high end
[07:25] <Azunai> holy_cow, but thats in windows not linux
[07:25] <holy_cow> ... but the fact is that they have ALWAYS had garbage drivers on windows, and always very late with driver dev on windows ... i expect no less of such stellar development on linux as has been proven by many pople over the years on all platforms
[07:25] <slavik> h2theizzo: dyndns has clients that will monitor your ip and send a change request, and they allow you to use your own domain, check the site for more info
[07:25] <sirbijan> hey nanotube
[07:26] <slavik> been a long time since I looked at it
[07:26] <holy_cow> Azunai, if windows support sucks, it is guarnteed that linux support is worse, its just the way it works
[07:26] <frogzoo> Azunai, holy_cow I only do 2d, so mebbe there's a 3d prob I've not seen, but otherwise, rock solid
[07:26] <nanotube> h2theizzo: if your ip changes a lot, like slavik says, dyndns might be a good bet.
[07:26] <nanotube> howdy sirbijan
[07:26] <sirbijan> you said that dns thing about ubuntuforums.org?
[07:26] <h2theizzo> heh
[07:26] <whyameye> If a program says it is tailored for IA-32 does that mean it will run poorly on an Athon processor even with a 32 bit OS?
[07:26] <holy_cow> Azunai, sorry dude, if you use ati for 3d, you don't do 3d for a living.  no offense.
[07:26] <sirbijan> hi nanotube