[08:14] <abattoir> zorglu_: i'm running edgy, what do you need?
[08:15] <abattoir> zorglu_: what do you mean by 'weird messages' ?
[08:15] <zorglu_> abattoir: does kate dump its debug on the terminal ? like when launching 'kate' do you see stuff like 'ScimInputContextPlugin()"
[08:15] <__osh__> zorglu_: No weird messages for me.
[08:15] <abattoir> zorglu_: i get the regular bad device output... and then some scim related stuff
[08:15] <francesco> hello
[08:15] <zorglu_> abattoir: it was the simple version of 'dump the debug'
[08:15] <francesco> @ll
[08:16] <zorglu_> abattoir: ok thanks, it is what i wanted to know
[08:16] <abattoir> zorglu_: i guess that's normal, you might see it w/ other kde apps too
[08:16] <francesco> glxinfo
[08:16] <francesco> name of display: :0.0
[08:16] <francesco> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[08:16] <francesco> what is taht?
[08:17] <zorglu_> abattoir: yep some considere normal to dump their debug on the terminal in shipped software :)
[08:17] <zorglu_> francesco: a weird message :)
[08:17] <abattoir> zorglu_: it's useful ;)
[08:18] <zorglu_> well it is their policies :) and i dont get it but im not here to argue :)
[08:18] <francesco> have any hier knowlege of graphics acceleration
[08:19] <francesco> on ubuntu?
[08:19] <francesco> kubuntu?
[08:19] <zorglu_> francesco: you likely have an issue with the graphic drivers. first determine if you have 'xv' using the 'xvinfo' command line
[08:19] <exhale> what do you want to know?
[08:19] <robert_> 0.
[08:20] <robert_> yay- my keyboard's back together
[08:20] <robert_> heh
[08:20] <instructor> how do you get in contact with a maintainer?
[08:20] <francesco> ok i check that!
[08:20] <zorglu_> francesco: second, determine is glxinfo claim to be 'direct rendering'
[08:21] <francesco> francesco@francesco-desktop:~$ xvinfo
[08:21] <francesco> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[08:21] <francesco> screen #0
[08:21] <francesco>   Adaptor #0: "Intel(R) Video Overlay"
[08:21] <francesco>     number of ports: 1
[08:21] <ehird> how do i make antialiasing effect gtk apps? (text) :/
[08:21] <zorglu_> francesco: then find out what is your graphic card using 'lspci' like something "lspci | grep VGA"
[08:21] <zorglu_> francesco: you got 'xv' aka the 2d acceleration
[08:21] <francesco> @zorglu_ have you see me message?
[08:22] <Behi> hi
[08:22] <Behi> right now I am in Kubuntu
[08:22] <Behi> how can I format my fdd?
[08:22] <zorglu_> francesco: glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
[08:22] <francesco> francesco@francesco-desktop:~$ glxinfo | grep dir
[08:22] <francesco> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[08:22] <francesco> direct rendering: Yes
[08:22] <Behi> it's mounted under /media/fd0
[08:22] <zorglu_> Behi: play with 'fdformat', man fdformat to get the doc
[08:23] <Behi> zorglu_: thx
[08:23] <zorglu_> francesco: ok no idea about the 0x4b
[08:23] <zorglu_> francesco: what about the 3d perf, are they ok ?
[08:23] <francesco> vn
[08:23] <francesco> francesco@francesco-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[08:23] <francesco> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[08:24] <Behi> zorglu_: thx
[08:24] <Behi> zorglu_: it worked
[08:24] <zorglu_> Behi: cool :)
[08:24] <francesco> yes i use beryl and work perfectly
[08:24] <zorglu_> francesco: cool then :)
[08:24] <Behi> zorglu_: is this format standard? I mean can I read the floppy contents from withing Win XP then?
[08:24] <francesco> but this message dont know, what is that
[08:24] <francesco> ?
[08:25] <zorglu_> Behi: i dont think there is any format on it :)
[08:25] <zorglu_> Behi: fdformat just 'format', you need some mkfs on it to get a fat fs
[08:25] <zorglu_> francesco: no idea about the 0x4b
[08:25] <Behi> zorglu_: ok... then I have to go with FAT16 then, no?
[08:26] <zorglu_> Behi: i dont remember that :)
[08:26] <zorglu_> Behi: i havent used floppy in a while :)
[08:26] <Behi> zorglu_: ok, thx a lot anyways :D
[08:26] <Behi> :)
[08:26] <Behi> me too!
[08:26] <Behi> my XP exploded...
[08:26] <Behi> and now I'm trying to repair it...
[08:26] <zorglu_> Behi: you cant boot from a live cd >?
[08:28] <Behi> zorglu_: I had installed the XP on a RAID-0
[08:28] <Lars_G> Do you guys know the dvd has a broken package?
[08:28] <Behi> now it's exploded...
[08:28] <Behi> I am trying to reinstall it
[08:28] <Behi> but I need a floppy with RAID-0 drivers :((
[08:29] <Lars_G> Behi: I think thumbsrvt had raid support.... I think
[08:29] <Lars_G> Why not use a livecd?
[08:29] <Behi> Lars_G: I am now in Kubuntu LiveCD
[08:30] <Lars_G> then you should be able to use raid-0, just load the module
[08:30] <Behi> I want to download the driver files from shuttle.com and copy them to the floppy disk :(
[08:30] <Lars_G> Ah ok
[08:30] <Lars_G> good luck
[08:30] <zorglu_>  Behi: http://yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialUsingDOSFloppies.html <- some info on the dos floppy + linux
[08:31] <Lars_G> So. did you know the dvd has a broken package?
[08:31] <Lars_G> :D
[08:31] <sloef> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30078/ ... can anyone tell me why edgy (2.6.17 kernel) won't boot ... it stops after USB initialisation. (I've pasted the 2.6.15 dmesg)
[08:31] <Lars_G> And it kills my apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:31] <Lars_G>  /pool/main/f/foo2zjs/foo2zjs_20060625dfsg-2_i386.deb  fails MD5Sum :'(
[08:32] <zorglu_> Lars_G: hmm seems more like a corrupted dvd
[08:32] <MeTa> !wifi
[08:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:32] <Lars_G> And I've had torrent check the checksum against the .torrent file, so it's the original dvd that must be wrong.
[08:32] <Lars_G> zorglu_: Nyet, I had torrent check all the blocks against the checksum in the .torrent file three times. they all match
[08:33] <zorglu_> yep but you boot on a dvd disk :) and this one could be corrupted :)
[08:33] <zorglu_> is there a hash check on the dvd ?
[08:33] <Lars_G> eh? no I do not boot on a dvd disk.
[08:33] <Lars_G> there is NO md5 sum provided on the whole dvd by kubuntu
[08:33] <Lars_G> AND, the .torrent file includes checksum for every block, and they all pass, so I have a good copy of the original image
[08:33] <zorglu_>   /pool/main/f/foo2zjs/foo2zjs_20060625dfsg-2_i386.deb <- where is this ? is this a dvd disk ?
[08:34] <Behi> zorglu_: thx :)
[08:34] <Lars_G> zorglu_: oh I see what you mean. Sure I'll tell k3b to check the physical against the image.
[08:38] <Bubba_Gump> sandwich?
[08:38] <Lars_G> I wonder, can I run apt-cdrom over a mounted iso?
[08:40] <Lars_G> Hmm no more free cds for newest version
[08:40] <Lars_G> I can live with that
[08:40] <michael__> thats very bad
[08:41] <Lars_G> Yes and no.
[08:41] <michael__> ok you can also download it
[08:41] <Lars_G> At least they don't overcharge as much as OpenBSD to use this to generate income.  I think
[08:43] <michael__> your meaning with xubuntu ....
[08:43] <michael__> or only with the desktop?
[08:43] <Lars_G> Well well well. It does seem it might be a dvd burnign problem.
[08:43] <Lars_G> michael__: I mean Kubuntu for 386, 64 bit and ppc
[08:44] <michael__> hi max
[08:44] <instructor> Kuick Kuestion
[08:44] <instructor> Is ksh still non opensource?
[08:46] <Lars_G> korn shell?
[08:46] <instructor> Si
[08:46] <Lars_G> o.O
[08:47] <instructor> O.o
[08:47] <Lars_G> instructor: it seems to be pretty much open source
[08:47] <instructor> what's the purpose of pdksh then?
[08:47] <Lars_G> altrnatives?
[08:48] <instructor> Why is it public domain if ksh is also public domain?
[08:48] <sparrwork> kde system settings - Sharing...  i went into admin mode for the File Sharing page, now the panel is outlined in red (good) and scrolled down (bad) so i can only see the greyed out stuff (bad).  help?
[08:48] <Lars_G> why not?
[08:48] <Lars_G> btw open source != public domain, you know
[08:49] <Lars_G> Anyhow, it seems ksh is under the cpl since 2000 so
[08:51] <instructor> OK
[08:53] <robin> hello, the icon on the speaker that opens up the mixer isnt beside the clock in the corner of my screen, any one know how to get it back?
[08:53] <sledge_at_work> robin: hit alt-f2, type kmix, and hit enter.
[08:53] <Lars_G> robin: alt-f2 "kmix" enter
[08:53] <wildchild> why my amarok freezes when I click on a mp3 song (I recently upgrade it to 1.4.4)
[08:53] <Lars_G> sledge_at_work: You type too fast.
[08:54] <sledge_at_work> Lars_G: not fast enough. ;)
[08:54] <robin> after that should kmixer start every time i boot?
[08:56] <sledge_at_work> robin: It should have done that to begin with. If you turn off your computer properly (i.e. KDE remembers what programs you were running), it'll show up fine.
[08:56] <smaggard> yeah
[08:56] <robin> ok thx
[08:56] <gupta> !gmrun
[08:56] <smaggard> mine just loaded up kmix automatically
[08:56] <ubotu> gmrun: Featureful CLI-like GTK+ application launcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-2 (edgy), package size 44 kB, installed size 172 kB
[09:00] <ubuntu_> hi
[09:00] <ubuntu_> I have a big problem
[09:00] <ubuntu_> after upgrading to edgy
[09:00] <Lars_G> !upgrade | Lars_G
[09:00] <ubotu> Lars_G: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:00] <ubuntu_> from dapper, my system doesn;t start
[09:00] <__osh__> ubuntu_: Don't we all.
[09:01] <ubuntu_> ihaev installed something like heldback packages I think
[09:01] <ubuntu_> and after that I have rebooted and system crashed
[09:01] <ubuntu_> how to fix this
[09:02] <Lars_G> wish me luck, I'm middle update
[09:02] <Lars_G> ubuntu_: Your information is too vague to help
[09:02] <smaggard> lol system crashed how to fix
[09:02] <ubuntu_> Lars_G: ?
[09:02] <smaggard> we need more
[09:02] <ubuntu_> dont' install held back packages
[09:02] <v3ctor> try booting to single user mode and doing anouther dist-upgrade
[09:03] <Lars_G> ubuntu_: "system chrased" can describe thousands of things we need more details.
[09:03] <ubuntu_> crashed, sorry
[09:03] <ubuntu_> :)
[09:03] <ubuntu_> my   mistake
[09:03] <v3ctor> crashed is also too vague
[09:03] <ubuntu_> the kernel doesn't start
[09:03] <smaggard> lol
[09:03] <Lars_G> when the kernel doesn't start it should show a panic error, what does it say just before the panic?
[09:03] <ubuntu_> v3ctor: 10x :)
[09:04] <ubuntu_> I think it doesn;t panic
[09:04] <wildchild> !synaptic
[09:04] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[09:04] <ubuntu_> python packages were removed from the system
[09:04] <ubuntu_> when I installed the held back packages
[09:05] <ubuntu_> and what is meaning of this held back packages
[09:05] <ubuntu_> !edgy
[09:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[09:06] <MetaMorfoziS> !wiki
[09:06] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[09:06] <MetaMorfoziS> !wifi
[09:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:06] <ubuntu_> so who can help me
[09:07] <smaggard> ubuntu> reinstall ubuntu
[09:07] <Lars_G> I pray I can compile a newer nvidia for edgy
[09:07] <Lars_G> and make scim work
[09:08] <Lars_G> Well at least I'm getting xorg 7.1
[09:08] <mickael> Hello all. I was wondering, if I wanted to make an exact copy of my kubuntu  instilation with my profile and packages the way it is now on maybe a dvd to duplicate it on another laptop, what would I use?
[09:09] <wildchild> how can I get the older version of amrok
[09:09] <wildchild> now I have 1.4.4.
[09:09] <wildchild> and couse it totall sux or only I have problems - it freezes after  Iclick on a song
[09:09] <wildchild> I wanna get older one
[09:09] <wildchild> I just don't know how to do that? Any ideas?
[09:10] <PupenoR_> In what files should I set the prompt, PS1, ? /etc/bash.bashrc and/or ~/.bashrc ?
[09:10] <mickael> xmms
[09:11] <PupenoR_> wildchild: that can be done with some APT tricks, but it's not easy.
[09:11] <wildchild> PupenoR_: I am listening as long as u have time
[09:12] <PupenoR_> wildchild: I don't know how to do it, but you can check the APT manual.
[09:12] <PupenoR_> wildchild: hold on a second.
[09:13] <PupenoR_> wildchild: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[09:13] <PupenoR_> wildchild: and don't forget to report your bugs to http://bugs.kubuntu.org
[09:16] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:17] <mickael> ??
[09:18] <mattik> what's wrong in my ati settings? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30085/
[09:19] <gaylord> is there anywone here who knows under KDE how to prevent all windows to get on top of sidebar when they are maximized ?
[09:20] <Lars_G> Well, first warning, skkinput blocks Xorg from moving and symlinking /usr/X11R6/bin
[09:20] <Lars_G> Wb zorglu_
[09:20] <goliath23> gaylord: in the settings for the panel you can allow windows to overlap. maybe that setting is set?
[09:20] <Lars_G> zorglu_: I wanted to tell you, that you where correct. I used apt-cdrom on the iso itself, and it works without a hitch, so the problem ocurred while burning
[09:20] <zorglu_> Lars_G: cool :)
[09:21] <gaylord> goliath23:  i d like to be abble to keep the sidebar not on top of all others but beiing abble to prevent windows to cover up the sidebar
[09:21] <Lars_G> zorglu_: Btw where are you from?
[09:21] <zorglu_> Lars_G: i live in france at the moment. why ?
[09:21] <redone> hi: alsa sound work but i dont have sound in the system!! it's normal ??
[09:21] <gaylord> so the maximum size equal the size of my screen less the size of the sidebar as for a top bar
[09:21] <Lars_G> zorglu_: Your nick. It sounded like the kind of nick a spainyard might use
[09:22] <zorglu_> Lars_G: hehe :) well i choosed it at random :) i change nick regularly :)
[09:22] <Lars_G> zorglu_: Like Maybeso?
[09:22] <Lars_G> it's a character from a sci-fi series
[09:22] <zorglu_> Lars_G: at a point i was 'fred' then 'aliasfred' because somebody else wanted fred :)
[09:23] <Lars_G> sci-fi book series that is
[09:23] <zorglu_> but my firstname is not 'fred' at all :)
[09:23] <Lars_G> :D
[09:23] <Lars_G> well the upgrade seems to be working so far.
[09:23] <Lars_G> But I'll double check packages before rebooting
[09:24] <justin_> hi
[09:24] <Lars_G> I wish someone would take the time I don't want to spend ( ;)  ) and recode mirrorselect-apt to be ubuntu friendly
[09:24] <Lars_G> hi justin_
[09:24] <justin_> hi everyone, this is my first time doing this
[09:24] <zorglu_> Lars_G: keep a known-to-be-working live cd around
[09:24] <justin_> im a noob at linux
[09:24] <Bubba_Gump> tasty
[09:24] <Lars_G> zorglu_: Eh good advice, specially now that I have none.. well I have one, for ubuntu 5.10
[09:25] <Lars_G> But I've downloaded a cdrom iso for kubuntu edgy, I might burn it now
[09:25] <Justin1278> does anyone know how to give Kubuntu a transparent look to it?
[09:26] <Lars_G> trouble is these mini-cds scratch inside my koala in two days. lol
[09:26] <ubuntu_> hi
[09:26] <ubuntu_> anybody need help?
[09:26] <instructor> Me!
[09:26] <ubuntu_> i'm at work right now and have nothing to do lol
[09:27] <Justin1278> lol
[09:27] <Lars_G> :)
[09:27] <Justin1278> is there a way to give Kubuntu a transparent look?
[09:27] <inteliwasp> Lars_G, well you could make a bootable flash drive
[09:27] <instructor> how do I assess the performance of my system
[09:27] <ubuntu_> xgl
[09:27] <gaylord> nobody to help me ?
[09:27] <ubuntu_> !beryl
[09:27] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[09:27] <ubuntu_> there ya go
[09:27] <ubuntu_> i'll help you gaylord
[09:27] <instructor> gaylord: what?
[09:27] <skreet> So I installed kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu install, latest everything. New loading screen comes up instead of kernel, etc. then black screen. I have to hit CTRL-ALT-F7 to get to KDM, it doesn't happen automagically, any ideas?
[09:27] <Justin1278> oh i have heard of Baryl
[09:27] <Justin1278> beryl*
[09:28] <Justin1278> but i thought it was only for Ubuntu
[09:28] <Lars_G> inteliwasp: A booteable pen drive just for rescue?? smart very smart. Problem is it will only work with machines that boot from usb, but it might work well..... thanks man, good idea
[09:28] <ubuntu_> i'd recommend following the first page of the original xgl guide
[09:28] <ubuntu_> !xgl
[09:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:28] <ubuntu_> just the first page^^
[09:28] <Lars_G> ubuntu_: Why beryl over compiz on Xorg?
[09:28] <ubuntu_> so that you can login to xgl as a different session
[09:28] <ubuntu_> thats what i did
[09:29] <ubuntu_> i run beryl on an xgl session and have normal kde on another session
[09:29] <Lars_G> Anyhow, compiz makes stuff too slow for me right now. Maybe when I buy an FX 6800, but not now. :)
[09:29] <ubuntu_> so that i can game in plain kde withoutslowdowns
[09:29] <ubuntu_> yeah look what i just said about beryl^^
[09:29] <Lars_G> ubuntu_: Now, that's smart. Once I finish restarting I'll check it
[09:29] <ubuntu_> yeah
[09:30] <Justin1278> wheredo i download beryl?
[09:30] <Lars_G> Ok ncurses reinstalling
[09:30] <ubuntu_> the only reason i did it was because i tried doing xgl compiz but then i got beryl and installed it on the xgl session
[09:30] <ubuntu_> otherwise games are extremely laggy
[09:30] <Lars_G> Yeah ubuntu_
[09:31] <Lars_G> I didn't knew I could use xgl selectively by session :)
[09:31] <instructor> ubuntu_: how do I assess the performance of my system
[09:31] <wildchild> If I wanna Install kubuntu by apt, what packages do I have to install?
[09:31] <Justin1278> where do i download beryl?
[09:32] <Trollinator> kubuntu-desktop
[09:32] <wildchild> amarok, amarok-xine, amarok-desktop, any others*
[09:32] <Lars_G> wildchild: afaik, "kubuntu-desktop" should be enough
[09:32] <jende_> any dvd specialists in here 2nite?
[09:32] <JakubS_> Lars_G: beryl (or compiz) works great even on integrated i915 chipset
[09:32] <Lars_G> dvd specialists?
[09:32] <JakubS_> and this is definitely not high-end
[09:32] <Lars_G> JakubS_: sweet
[09:32] <instructor> wildchild: kubuntu-desktop
[09:33] <JakubS_> 'benchmark' plugin shows 60-100 fps
[09:33] <Lars_G> Ok ok you've convinced me :P
[09:33] <jende_> Lars_G: I've got quite a few dvd's (movies) and those I'd like to copy just in case the original will be f*** one day
[09:33] <Lars_G> gah libpam beign replaced now
[09:33] <JakubS_> now i got something weird: quake2 on software renderer - ~80fps, after switching to opengl 5fps
[09:34] <Lars_G> jende_: Do you know that in many parts you can't legally backup dvd movies you own?
[09:34] <JakubS_> and used this laptop to play enemy territory before
[09:34] <Lars_G> JakubS_: ET? on a laptop? with what, an ATI Mobility?
[09:34] <JakubS_> Lars_G: this means you don't own them.
[09:34] <JakubS_> i915
[09:34] <zorglu_> JakubS_: i got a laptop with i915 and i would like to try xgl to see, do you have a url on how to install it ?
[09:34] <Lars_G> JakubS_: Correct, you own the physical dvd but you're only licensed to use the contents in certain manners.
[09:35] <wildchild> if I wanna share with someone that have XP, samba is simple client to do that?
[09:35] <JakubS_> zorglu_: better go with aiglx
[09:35] <zorglu_> JakubS_: ok, any url for this one ? :))
[09:35] <Lars_G> wildchild: Samba is the best but a little complicated to config, another quick option is to set an ftp server on the linux side
[09:35] <JakubS_> zorglu_: you just need quite new xorg (7.1 i believe) and that's it
[09:35] <JakubS_> and some composite manger - beryl works great for me
[09:36] <wildchild> Lars_G: I wanna user on XP to see my documents
[09:36] <Lars_G> wildchild: FTP would be a quick way, but if you will do this repeatedly, then configuring samba is a good investment.
[09:36] <zorglu_> JakubS_: ok but i would a url for it :) googling for 'kubuntu aiglx' would do ?
[09:36] <Lars_G> wildchild: there's a sharing app in the kde system config panel, that will help you configure samba a little less painfully
[09:37] <JakubS_> maybe, but probably there is nothing for you to configure :-)
[09:37] <inteliwasp> how can i get ntfs to work on dapper? i only really need read acces but wirte would be nice if it is stable
[09:37] <Trollinator> inteliwasp: STFW
[09:37] <zorglu_> hmm ok so i will wait to test it
[09:37] <Hikaru79> inteliwasp: have you tried simply mounting the partition?
[09:37] <Lars_G> whathever people say about speed and eye candy.. yes it has a lot of that, but beyound that it has a LOT of confortable functionality too
[09:37] <JakubS_> ntfs-3g is stable for both read and write
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> Anyone use kaffeine for watching video's ? (was using codeine but it was annoying the screensaver kept on coming on during a film)
[09:38] <Trollinator> inteliwasp: STFW and RTFM
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> does kaffeing have the same problem
[09:39] <stamen> hi again
[09:40] <stamen> my nick was ubuntu_
[09:40] <stamen> so the linux has fixed himself
[09:40] <Lars_G> stamen: there have been several ubuntu_ here, you're the one with the kernel crash?
[09:40] <stamen> yes I was
[09:40] <zorglu_> !aiglx
[09:40] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[09:40] <Lars_G> great
[09:40] <stamen> with the kernel crash :)
[09:40] <Lars_G> good to hear it fixed :)
[09:40] <stamen> so the system has fixed itself
[09:40] <Lars_G> Good for it!
[09:40] <Lars_G> :D
[09:41] <stamen> yes very good :)
[09:41] <stamen> I was ver concerned
[09:41] <stamen> adn egtting angry
[09:41] <Lars_G> Ok I will keep upgrading, see you all.
[09:41] <stamen> but afteer the second restart the system run
[09:42] <stamen> bye for now
[09:44] <wildchild> I've installed amarok, kubuntu-desktop and when I click on Amarok app it is loading for 15sec and then dissaper
[09:44] <wildchild> it doesn't open
[09:44] <JakubS_> try 'amarokapp' in console
[09:44] <JakubS_> it may at least give you a clue
[09:47] <wildchild> jakubS_:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30086/
[09:47] <JakubS_> that's all?
[09:48] <wildchild> yep
[09:48] <JakubS_> then it hangs, crashes or quits?
[09:48] <zorglu_>  q. is there a way to prevent amarok from sending all my info to last.fm ?
[09:48] <wildchild> crashes
[09:48] <wildchild> when I click on a song
[09:52] <jende_> !libdvdread
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libdvdread - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <jende_> has anyone of you k9copy on edgy?
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !info libdvd
[09:53] <gupta> filelight should as default in kubuntu!!
[09:53] <ubotu> Package libdvd does not exist in any distro I know
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !info libdvdread
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> !info libdvdread3
[09:53] <ubotu> Package libdvdread does not exist in any distro I know
[09:53] <ubotu> libdvdread3: library for reading DVDs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.6-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 180 kB
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> h3sp4wn: thanks
[09:54] <JakubS> new thing learned: removing i915_dri.so when running X+AIGLX is bad for stability :-)
[09:56] <justin_> hello
[09:57] <justin_> can somebody help me with Beryl?
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> justin_: #ubuntu-xgl can a lot better
[09:58] <justin_> thanks Admiral
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> jende_: no and don't pm me
[09:59] <jende_> h3sp4wn: sorry
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> !pm
[10:00] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[10:03] <Electrolyte> ....?
[10:05] <mac_> beryl sounds too much like that stuff you have to drink so they can xray you
[10:05] <Electrolyte> LOL, I never thought about that.
[10:05] <mac_> Electrolyte, with that nick, i'd have thought you'd drink it for fun
[10:06] <Electrolyte> Shut it :E
[10:06] <mattik> How do I reinstall all packages with apt?
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: what do you mean reinstall?
[10:06] <vertana> What do you mean "all packages"?
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> what are you trying to do?
[10:06] <mattik> I have cbroken Kubuntu
[10:06] <plhardy> What do mean "How do I" :-)
[10:07] <mattik> broken
[10:07] <zorglu_> mattik: better to install it from scratch
[10:07] <vertana> Ok try "dpkg-reoncfigure -a"
[10:07] <vertana> reconfigure*
[10:07] <mattik> synaptic and gcompriss don't work
[10:07] <mac_> got a little scared on this install.  it kept locking up unitl i got linux-686 installed.  trouble was being fast enough to install it before the lockup :)
[10:07] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: what do you mean broken, what happened that you / what did you do?
[10:08] <plhardy> mattik: do you have an idea what actions did break your system ?
[10:08] <vertana> Mattik, when you try to install stuff does it say something along the lines of "E: Cannot find package ____" ?
[10:08] <mattik> plhardy: yes I tried to install XP, SuSe and Kubuntu in same computer
[10:08] <mattik> no
[10:09] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: you can do that, what happened that you think you broke Kubuntu
[10:09] <plhardy> mattik:for XP, if it boot, then it can't XP install that messed up kubuntu
[10:10] <plhardy> mattik:for Suse did you specify different partitions for root / usr / ... ?
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> let's just let him explain what happened, not ask too many questions
[10:10] <mattik> I mean / and /home
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> tech support over load :P
[10:10] <vertana> Ok mattik... did you install XP or Kubuntu first?
[10:11] <mac_> the M$/suse merger is breaking installs already?
[10:11] <zorglu_> !mbr
[10:11] <vertana> Ms always has
[10:11] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:11] <zorglu_> maybe of help
[10:12] <mattik> The first XP, then Kubuntu and after this SusE and after the installing SuSe KUbuntu backs to fixing console and ask to fsck command
[10:12] <Admiral_Chicago> mac_:nice
[10:12] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: did you try sudo fsck -a
[10:12] <mattik> no
[10:12] <plhardy> mattik: order was fine, did you shared partition between Suse install and Kubuntu ?
[10:12] <mattik> swap
[10:13] <plhardy> this is fine then.
[10:13] <mattik> was that error?
[10:13] <mattik> Or why SuSe 10.2 broke my Kubuntu
[10:14] <skreet> mattik: grub?
[10:14] <plhardy> no excepting if you are using suspend mode (for swap), i just think you faced perhaps hd problems ?
[10:14] <zorglu_> mattik: describe what you mean by 'broke'
[10:14] <Trollinator> mattik: that doesn't matter much for Suse is better than Ubuntu anyway
[10:14] <zorglu_> mattik: what is broken
[10:15] <skreet> I should try SuSE some time
[10:15] <skreet> I hear good things
[10:15] <parph> better is subjective
[10:15] <zorglu_> hmm amarok 1.4.3 got a bug in the osd
[10:15] <mattik> SuSe recognize my hard disk as sata
[10:15] <mattik> and they are hd
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> zorglu_: whats the bug?
[10:15] <zorglu_> i wish people aims more for stability and less for fancy feature
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Sata is HD, do you mean IDE?
[10:16] <mattik> yes
[10:16] <tito> some body can show the best repositories Universal and MultiUniversal ?
[10:16] <vertana> zorg: get Amarok 1.44
[10:16] <vertana> 1.4.4*
[10:16] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: when it switch from one song to another, it display very shortly ( < 0.2sec) the previous name and then the new name
[10:16] <parph> what do people make of that novell/suse/microsoft deal
[10:16] <mattik>  I mean /dev/hda was /dev/sda
[10:16] <tito> some body can show the best repositories Universal and MultiUniversal ?
[10:16] <zorglu_> vertana: is this bug fixed ?
[10:16] <parph> is it a deal with.....the Devil!
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> !repo > tito
[10:16] <vontux> is it possible to screw up "su" without screwing up "sudo" on the command line?
[10:16] <vertana> I do not know, I never experienced that, but try the new version (they fixed ~100 bugs they said) and see if it is fixed.
[10:16] <zorglu_> vertana: before i was running 1.3.9 and it didnt have this bug
[10:17] <vertana> If not, then submit an official report.
[10:17] <binary2k2> zorglu_: I'm running amarok 1.4.3 and don't have that bug
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> zorglu_: did you check LP
[10:17] <zorglu_> vertana: hehe :) did they say how many new bug were introduced ? :)
[10:17] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[10:17] <vertana> I do know that it doesn't bog down my cpu like 1.4.3 did ^^
[10:17] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: LP ?
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> lanchpad.not
[10:17] <Bubba_Gump> amarok takes 800mhz i think
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> net*
[10:17] <mattik> this is error
[10:17] <mattik> fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=b0a4889e-afaa-488b-9fd7-8a20429d5f95'
[10:17] <parph> is the latest kubuntu release buggy or is it a solid release all in all
[10:18] <zorglu_> binary2k2: hmm ok interesting... maybe because i just installed it, maybe it require to reboot or something
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: edgy?
[10:18] <vertana> I have a 2.1Ghz Athlon XP and Amarok used to take an unusually long time to load for me, but now it's fine with 1.4.4
[10:18] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: nope i havnt
[10:18] <max_> hi, is there a way to reinstall kubuntu and still keep all your files (mp3's, movies, etc)?
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> max_: why do you need to reinstall+
[10:18] <mattik> yes
[10:19] <max_> i want to start over
[10:19] <Bubba_Gump> yeah how is this done?
[10:19] <plhardy> max_:yes that's why it is better to create two different partitions, one for system / and one other for /home all your datas are put on /home and this is not required to be formatted to be reinstalled
[10:20] <max_> but i have a super small drive
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> max_: any reason in particular
[10:20] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: I thik I don't try more betas in this hardware :(
[10:20] <plhardy> max_:have you already different partitions ?
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: edgy isn't a beta
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> it's stable
[10:20] <vontux> what are the command line commands for changing the password?
[10:20] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: I mean SuSe
[10:20] <plhardy> max_: copy all your data on a cd or a dvd ...
[10:21] <max_> so there isnt a way to reinstall kde and keep files??
[10:21] <LjL> vontux: passwd
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: oh well if i was you, i'd stick with kubuntu and maybe XP. i
[10:21] <vontux> LjL, thankyou
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe XP
[10:21] <Whitelighter> has any one else seen sector read errors when booting the livecd?
[10:22] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: OK :)
[10:22] <plhardy> max_:if you have alrready two differents partitions it is possible to reinstall the whole system without breaking data
[10:22] <max_> since my drive is so small i only did one partition
[10:22] <plhardy> max_:your are in shit then.
[10:22] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: what's the error?
[10:22] <Zaire> this is what this guy thinks sudo does <Shadow_mil> Zaire: because it will do things like set your config file to the root user, put your config files in /root and otehr bad stuff
[10:22] <_Shade_> Whitelighter: it happens often for me... despite the cd is ok
[10:23] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: Do you know how do I fix this error in filesystem?
[10:23] <max_> nah, ill burn to a DVD
[10:23] <max_> can someone recomend a good DVD burner?
[10:23] <hume> hi...how do I start KDE from my xinitrc-script? with startx?
[10:23] <Trollinator> max_ stwf
[10:23] <hume> k3b?
[10:23] <vontux> LjL: lets say that at some time I tried a passwd command, but didn't complete it, is it possible that it would prevent me from using "su" with my root password, but not screw up the root password for sudo?
[10:23] <hollywoodb> hume: try startkde
[10:23] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[10:23] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: i'm still not sure i know the error
[10:23] <plhardy> max_: it is possible to just use apt tool to request adding or removing software, perhaps a full reinstall is not needed
[10:23] <Trollinator> stfw i mean
[10:23] <hume> exec startkde or just startkde?
[10:24] <hollywoodb> max_: I've had good luck with NEC burners
[10:24] <LjL> vontux: entirely possible, since they're two different passwords
[10:24] <hollywoodb> hume: exec
[10:24] <hume> ok
[10:24] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: followed by hdc: command error: error=0x51 { IllegalLengthIndication LastFailSense=0x05 }
[10:24] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: If I restart Kubuntu I come back in fix console
[10:24] <skreet> Citrix for Linux = Happy
[10:24] <max_> hollywoodb: can i get that in adept?
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: you said sudo fsck -a didn't work
[10:25] <sparrwork> I installed kubuntu.  I ran OpenGL screensavers very nicely.  I did a package upgrade, and installed a few new things.  Two reboots later I notice my OpenGL screensavers are running software-ishly slow.  glxinfo says "Direct Rendering: no".  Help?
[10:25] <hollywoodb> max_: if adept sells NEC burners i suppose you could but I don't believe it does... for software use K3B
[10:25] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: it may be the the media is dammaged, scrached or something
[10:25] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: have you tryed with another disk?
[10:25] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: It gave error what you can see above
[10:25] <plhardy> max_:get K3b this is good cd/dvd burner software
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: sudo fsck
[10:26] <mattik> same error
[10:26] <hollywoodb> does kubuntu ship with ipw2200 firmware, is there a packages, or do I need to get it from http://ipw2200.sf.net ?
[10:26] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: I've tryed re-burning makes no difference, does it both on i386 and amd64
[10:27] <mattik> Do I have to boot in livecd
[10:27] <plhardy> mattik:sudo fsck /dev/hda1 ?
[10:27] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: re-burning on the same disk, or a differnt one?
[10:27] <Zaire> tell me how could sudo possible change a files ownership if your not using the chowm command lol
[10:27] <Zaire> chown*
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: no
[10:28] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: it only happens at one sector (repeats 8 times) but its different for each arch. Yes different disks and difference media suppliers
[10:28] <mattik> plhardy: It runs in hdc2 thanks :)
[10:28] <vontux> anybody every screw up "su" so that their password doesn't work for login, but it still works for "sudo"?
[10:28] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: did you check the md5sum of the ISO image bedore you burn it?
[10:29] <Zaire> Im just curious about that cause some guy in the ubuntu-xgl channel seems to think when you use sudo on gui configs that it writes ownership to root lol
[10:29] <plhardy> mattik: you should run it on the root filesystem
[10:29] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: and after it burned to?
[10:29] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: checked the checksum both after downloading and after burning, both correct
[10:29] <vontux> Zaire: are you refering to my question, or somebody elses?
[10:29] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: hmm, then it may be a hardware issue
[10:30] <mattik> plhardy: My root is /dev/hdc2
[10:30] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: to me it seems to be related to the kernel in some way
[10:30] <plhardy> mattik: then you are right
[10:30] <Zaire> neither lol Im just wondering about what this ditz in the ubuntu xgl channel said lol
[10:30] <mattik> thank you for help :)
[10:30] <Zaire> he thinks that using sudo changes file ownership and permissions solely to root
[10:31] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: that's also possible, maybe a driver issue or something
[10:31] <vontux> Zaire: as in "sudo filename" and bam, only root file ownership? perhaps you should inform him otherwise
[10:31] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: I haven't seen that error before myself so I don't really know how else to help here
[10:32] <Zaire> yeps thats what he think and I tried to tell him it doesn't but he wont listen lol
[10:32] <vontux> Zaire: send him links
[10:32] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: hmm, strange thing is that is does it on both my dvd writer and my laptops dvdrom
[10:32] <Zaire> dunno any lol
[10:32] <parph> http://www.redhat.com/promo/believe/
[10:32] <plhardy> Zaire: sudo gives root right to programs that are allowed, then they will use root rights to creates their files...
[10:32] <Zaire> but that sure is an id10t error lol
[10:32] <vontux> I wish I have some idea of what I did to screw up my "su" command
[10:33] <Zaire> root already has rights to all files though
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: did that work?
[10:33] <Zaire> so the statement is kinda redundant
[10:33] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: maybe most people don't see the messages. it would normally be hidden behind the splash screen
[10:33] <vontux> plhardy: any idea as to what I could possibly have done to screw up "su" so that it doesn't accept my root password, but so that "sudo" still does?
[10:33] <plhardy> Zaire: if you do a sudo touch x, x will have root persmissions but of course if you do sudo x you will just run x...
[10:34] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: yes but after fsck it gave same error 'UUID=b0a4889e-afaa-488b-9fd7-8a20429d5f95'
[10:34] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: yeah, have you asked on the forums yet? you may get more answers there as more people will see it.
[10:34] <Admiral_Chicago> ma
[10:34] <Zaire> sudo is just a way to give a normal account temp root permissions from my understanding
[10:34] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: seems like your fstab is gone bonkers
[10:34] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: did you try booting into recovery mode?
[10:35] <mattik> yes, it runs right
[10:35] <plhardy> vontux: sudo passwd should help you to reset your root password
[10:35] <mattik> but what I do after this
[10:35] <Zaire> from my understanding the only time sudo can change permissions is in the event chown and chmod are used
[10:35] <plhardy> vontux: su need a root password to work, sudo uses your user password...
[10:36] <oceanis> im trying to install kubuntu dapper
[10:36] <oceanis> i have win xp in this box
[10:36] <oceanis> but when im trying to boot is says
[10:36] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: no I haven't posted on the forum as yet. I did see a similar post by someone else, however there was no response. just trying to find it again.
[10:36] <oceanis> cannot boot try cd 2 or update the bios
[10:36] <oceanis> wtf?
[10:36] <plhardy> Zaire: sudo script.sh can do it if script.sh contains chown, chmod or any script/programm that access permissions api.
[10:36] <oceanis> i think theres no CD 2
[10:37] <Zaire> but don't you have to use sudo more or less if you want to edit files like the xorg.conf or sources.list
[10:37] <oceanis> anyone will help me
[10:37] <Admiral_Chicago> oceanis: did you check your BIOS settings? not to update it but are you booting from the cd
[10:38] <oceanis> yes im booting from cd
[10:38] <oceanis> settings are
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> mattik: paste your fstab
[10:38] <oceanis>  CDROM - C - FLOPY
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> oceanis: okay then i have no clue
[10:38] <oceanis> so what to do
[10:39] <oceanis> i tryit kubuntu and ubuntu dapper
[10:39] <oceanis> no one want to boot
[10:39] <gemidjy> back to dapper, phew, edgy is nightmare
[10:39] <plhardy> oceanis: if possible checks md5sum of your cd to verify it was well burned.
[10:39] <hollywoodb> gemidjy: howso?
[10:39] <gemidjy> well, there were many anoying things
[10:39] <oceanis> i cant understand you
[10:39] <oceanis> im new in this
[10:40] <gemidjy> hardware recognition, flash issues (which can't be passed to flash/adobe since It is ok with dapper), speed, stability, etc..
[10:40] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: Any things show not running I boot recovery mode first
[10:42] <DralaFi> hi. Kubuntu uses an initiramdisk.  Can I bypass this?
[10:42] <Delphinus> i'm trying to google for the problem where your network interfaces do not load up at startup... and you have to ifdown then ifup them... but cant seem to find the topic, can anyone help me with this please?
[10:42] <oceanis> so no one wants to help me
[10:43] <mc_> hi guys,i have a problem with apt-get itrs trying to configure a package eacht time i install package,and it always fails,how do tell apt-get to let the package unconfigured?
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> mc_: what package
[10:43] <mc_> Admiral_Chicago: vmware
[10:43] <LjL> mc_: show me your sources.list please
[10:43] <LjL> !pastebin
[10:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:44] <Admiral_Chicago> mc_: edgy?
[10:44] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: just booted up the livecd for 6.06.1 - that also did the same. it seems it happens just before the ISO 9660 Extensions: MS Joliet Level 3 message
[10:44] <mc_> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[10:44] <plhardy> oceanis: with what did you burn your cds ?
[10:45] <oceanis> nero
[10:45] <oceanis> but i tryed that cds
[10:45] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: will the system continue to boot with the errors?
[10:45] <oceanis> in other machine they worked
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> mc_: vmware is having problems with edgy
[10:46] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on i'll help you out with a link
[10:46] <plhardy> oceanis: ok, then if it is not the cd, this is either the cdrom or the bios/motheboard...
[10:46] <mc_> Admiral_Chicago: i dont wont to get vmware running,i just want apt-get to ignore vmware
[10:46] <Admiral_Chicago> mc_: http://mindwarp.net/?p=28
[10:46] <oceanis> well bbl trying
[10:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know if it'll help but i hope it does
[10:46] <mc_> Admiral_Chicago: alright,thank you
[10:46] <binary2k2> mc_: if you don't want vmware, then just uninstall it
[10:47] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: yes it seems fine. Just not good to see a read error showing up. If it's a bug, it would be nice to get it fixed.
[10:47] <mc_> binary2k2: but it is not yet installed
[10:47] <mc_> binary2k2: apt-get trys installing it but it fails all the time
[10:47] <mc_> binary2k2: and i dont know how to stop apt-get from trying
[10:47] <LjL> mc_, can you paste your sources.list please? and the error apt-get gives?
[10:47] <plhardy> vontux: did sudo passwd helped you ?
[10:48] <DralaFi> Can kubuntu function with no initrd? (of course I know that Linux can work with no initrd)
[10:48] <binary2k2> mc_: it may be installed, but not confugured, so you can try "sudo apt-get --purge remove vmware"
[10:48] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: maybe you should put a bug report on launchpad.net
[10:49] <Hawkwind> mc_: There was a huge discussion on the Kubuntu-users ML about this over the last 2 days where someone had the very same problem
[10:49] <mc_> binary2k2: thank you very much,that did the trick
[10:49] <binary2k2> mc_: great
[10:50] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: yes maybe. will do some more investigation, see if I can dig anymore info up. Thanks for help.
[10:50] <plhardy> DralaFi: i am intersted by answer to your question too, i would think no recent distro could work without initrd due to modules needed to recognize hardware...
[10:50] <binary2k2> Whitelighter: sorry i couldn't help more, good luck with it
[10:50] <m0ns00n> Ljl: Please refrain from making me private messages about your improper ettiquette.....
[10:50] <Whitelighter> binary2k2: thanks
[10:50] <sledge_at_work> Another annoying bug is when installing xorg-xserver, I sometimes get a window "The nice value has to be between -20 and 19." You click OK, and it comes back. You click OK again, and it comes back again. It actually doesn't go away at all.
[10:51] <JakubS> DralaFi: if you compile your own kernel, suer
[10:51] <JakubS> s/suer/sure/
[10:51] <Hawkwind> m0ns00n: ??
[10:51] <LjL> m0ns00n: sorry? you changed your nick to an away nick, AFAIK that's against the channel guidelines. you're at fault, certainly not i.
[10:51] <sledge_at_work> :)
[10:51] <DralaFi> plhardy, no all recent distros should work without initrd.
[10:51] <Hawkwind> LjL: No it's not
[10:51] <LjL> Hawkwind: i sent him !away some time ago
[10:51] <JakubS> DralaFi: they would need at least drivers for all disk controllers compiled in
[10:51] <[cf] nAWAY> re
[10:52] <DralaFi> JakubS, yes I'm going to compile my own kernel, just wanted to know if kubuntu has something in the init procedure of the distro that absolutely requires that initrd was loaded.
[10:52] <hollywoodb> http://soren.overgaard.org/writings/irc-away-message
[10:52] <JakubS> DralaFi: nope, i use self-compiled kernel without initrd too (need it for proper suspend)
[10:52] <DralaFi> JakubS, I've compiled so many kernels that I can't recall how many.
[10:52] <DralaFi> JakubS, thanks very much.
[10:53] <sparrwork> I lost 3D acceleration on my intel 865 a couple of reboots ago.  glxinfo says "direct rendering: no".  i tried manual "modprobe i810fb" and restart X to no avail.  hints?
[10:53] <plhardy> JakubS: you manage to put all the drivers you wanted (sound, network, usb ... ) without modules ?
[10:55] <JakubS> i use modules for non-essential stuff (pretty everything except for sata driver and root filesystem driver)
[10:55] <tobias> how do i make the video player inside firefox load a reasonable amount of the video it is streaming so it is not like chopped up into pieces the whole video
[10:56] <tobias> What I am wondering is how to set the buffer i believe?
[10:56] <tobias> or something
[10:56] <DralaFi> Also, anyone know how to test to see if 3d acceleration is supported by the intel 915GM chipset? I'm getting rubbish performance, and also have reason to believe that I'm only getting 7MB of video RAM for the GFX card (according to Xorg log).
[10:57] <JakubS> glxinfo
[10:57] <n8k99> is there anything i can do to get powermanager to recognize my battery?
[10:57] <JakubS> i have i915 too and also noticed poor performance (15fps in enemy territory at lowest settings)
[10:57] <JakubS> i remember it was much more several months ago
[10:57] <DralaFi> glxinfo says direct rendering: yes
[10:58] <DralaFi> but i have only 7mb ram for it??
[10:58] <mattik> Admiral_Chicago: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30100/
[10:58] <DralaFi> kubuntu's build of glxgears doesn't show frames per sec
[10:58] <sparrwork> DralaFi: it shares ram with the sstem
[10:58] <sparrwork> DralaFi: very annoying, that.  (no fps thing)
[10:58] <JakubS> DralaFi: glxgears -printfps
[10:58] <DralaFi> sparrwork, I know.
[10:59] <mattik> I can't boot in recovery mode
[10:59] <n8k99> powermanager cycles between battery removed and battery inserted - without any interaction on my part
[10:59] <magicmike> Hi. Does jende hang out around here anymore?
[10:59] <m0ns00n> LjL: Well, the channel isn't the only one I'm on
[10:59] <DralaFi> sparrwork, I tried to make it use 64MB from system, but the xorg log seems to say there was mem allocation failure.
[10:59] <gemidjy> I have both dapper and edgy cds, and I run Dapper, can I upgrade only KDE on Dapper, to kde 3.5.5 from edgy's CD ?
[11:00] <m0ns00n> LjL: So either the rules will be bent or I'll just stop coming here
[11:00] <DralaFi> hmm, 125fps
[11:00] <sparrwork> DralaFi: could be worse...  my i865 ran great for one boot, now i dont have acceleration at all  :)
[11:01] <JakubS> DralaFi: then it _really_ sucks, i get ~800fps
[11:01] <JakubS> you can try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxgears and watch for errors
[11:02] <DralaFi> JakubS, 125fps maximised for 1024x768
[11:02] <JakubS> ah, maximized
[11:02] <sparrwork> dont maximize it
[11:02] <sparrwork> no one can duplicate your data
[11:02] <sparrwork> the default size is the reference point
[11:02] <DralaFi> ok, trying again
[11:02] <sparrwork> i get 800fps in glxgears, thats software on a p4 2.8ish
[11:02] <parph> i'm thinking of trying out kubuntu for the first time. Is there anything I should know about the latest release?
[11:02] <JakubS> sparrwork: also i915?
[11:02] <sparrwork> hardware glxgears should get 2000+ on shitty OLD 3d accelerators, like a riva tnt
[11:03] <sparrwork> JakubS: i865 for me
[11:03] <sparrwork> parph: no more than about any other release
[11:03] <JakubS> well, i remember getting >2000 (or was it >4000?) on geforce2mx
[11:03] <sparrwork> yeah
[11:03] <DralaFi> JakubS, sparrwork: ~930fps on i915GM, centrino 1.7MHz
[11:03] <sparrwork> modern hardware will spit out bazillions of frames when your drivers are working
[11:04] <JakubS> so your results are comparable to mine
[11:04] <JakubS> hell with glxgears, i want my quake2 with more than 5fps!
[11:04] <sledge_at_work> I'm only getting ~400fps with fglrx and mobility radeon9600 :(
[11:05] <mc_> JakubS: you need to set up dri
[11:05] <gemidjy> sledge_at_work: lucky you got so far
[11:05] <mc_> get a good gfx-card www.nvidia.com,nvidia driver support rocks
[11:05] <gemidjy> sledge_at_work: try using the free 'ati' driver, not that will increase the fps dramaticly but it will be free anyway, and sometimes it is better, yes
[11:05] <JakubS> mc_: gladly, i wonder how will i stick it into my laptop then though :-)
[11:06] <sledge_at_work> gemidjy: Does the free one support 3d hw accel?
[11:06] <gemidjy> anyone has RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro ?
[11:06] <mc_> gemidjy: i had one
[11:06] <gemidjy> sledge_at_work: yes
[11:06] <JakubS> mc_: looks like dri is working, for example aiglx+beryl gives great results
[11:06] <gemidjy> mc_: how's its support for *nix ?
[11:06] <mc_> JakubS: strange
[11:06] <sledge_at_work> gemidjy: how good is it though? ;)
[11:07] <mc_> gemidjy: its great,you hast have to use the legacy drivers
[11:07] <JakubS> very, most strange is that i remember games actually working ok several months ago
[11:07] <gemidjy> sledge_at_work: as I said, not drastic diff but better if u ask me
[11:07] <JakubS> i guess it is time to check it with some livecd
[11:07] <mc_> gemidjy:  i could watch nice movies with my Riva TNT 2 Ultra,on my amd k6-2 300mhz
[11:08] <mc_> gemidjy: xv is supported
[11:09] <[cf] nAWAY> re
[11:11] <parph> can i have kubuntu take over using my current home directory? I have another distro now and was wondering if I could use the same home directory without problems
[11:11] <chx> what's the easiest way to NAT?  Which package should I be looking for to install the PECL PHP extension program? Searching Adept yields nothing.
[11:16] <parph> does kubuntu use a root account or does it use that other method I can't remember
[11:17] <binary2k2> sudo
[11:17] <plhardy> parph: copy you old home user directory to another directory (or tar.gz'ip it) to able to recover it if any problem occur.
[11:17] <parph> ah sudo
[11:19] <bigleon> So is anyone open to give service?
[11:20] <mahognyy> hi, I had installed ubuntu, but want to try kubuntu, so I "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", I restarted and kubuntu login loaded, but then I come to the same old ubuntu interface?
[11:21] <bigleon> Meh mahogny i think their busy i'm still waiting on support
[11:21] <binary2k2> mahognyy: you have to choose KDE from the login menu
[11:21] <bigleon> or not.
[11:21] <mahognyy> where I type login/pass?
[11:22] <chx> how can i make Beryl run instead of kwin?
[11:22] <bigleon> I have a Question, I was trying to figure out how to play Microsoft games, on Kubuntu. (Counter Strike and Age of Empires)
[11:22] <binary2k2> mahognyy: same place as you normaly do, just choose KDE from the session menu
[11:22] <binary2k2> bigleon: have you tryed wine?
[11:23] <bigleon> I looked at it. But it was confusing and i wasn't sure what to do
[11:23] <bigleon> I'm rather new to linux Envrioment
[11:23] <mahognyy> don't know about a seession menu
[11:23] <mahognyy> thought first time I try this
[11:23] <mahognyy> I'll reboot and see what I get
[11:23] <mahognyy> thanks
[11:24] <bigleon> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb I'm wanting Wine on this page correct?
[11:24] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[11:25] <bigleon> It has these two types called Ubuntu Dapper and Ubuntu Breezy and i i'm not sure which to pick. sence i'm using Kubuntu
[11:25] <binary2k2> bigleon: yeah, or you could install wine from Adept or Synaptic
[11:25] <minterior> hi!
[11:25] <bigleon> not a clue what Adept or Synaptic is XD
[11:26] <bigleon> I found adept
[11:26] <bigleon> i'm running program now
[11:26] <binary2k2> bigleon: they are package managers, if you click on the  K-menu, then go to System and click on Adept
[11:26] <binary2k2> bigleon: oh, :P
[11:26] <binary2k2> bigleon: in there, search for wine
[11:27] <bigleon> nothing game up
[11:27] <minterior> I have a problem with my directory's names. I've just installed kubuntu edgy eft (a new install) and now I see wrong some directory names with special chars like
[11:27] <bigleon> came*
[11:27] <ryanakca> since system settings' monitor & display is broken, how do I change the screen resolution without restarting X?
[11:27] <minterior> my before locales where iso-8859-1 and now are utf-8
[11:27] <minterior> what should I do to arrange that?
[11:27] <binary2k2> bigleon: you need to enable the universe repositorys
[11:27] <binary2k2> bigleon: I'll find you the help link with info on that
[11:27] <sparrwork> I installed kubuntu and had working OpenGL rendering, fast OGL screensavers.  A package upgrade (small) and a couple of non-critical package installations later i reboot a couple of times and now no 3D acceleration.  Where should I look to find the problem?
[11:28] <ninnghizidha> Hello. Got two gestions reguarding kde. How can i cahnge from GDM to KDE?
[11:28] <bigleon> Alright
[11:29] <binary2k2> bigleon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:29] <OOD> ninnghizidha: http://knowledge76.com/index.php/Display_Manager:_Switch_Between_GDM_and_KDM
[11:30] <binary2k2> bigleon: you enable the universe repository, click Fetch Updates, then search for wine again
[11:31] <Lars_G> I must report that Kubuntu edgy works like a charm so far
[11:31] <ninnghizidha> thanks a lot!
[11:31] <minterior> I have a problem with my directory's names. I've just installed kubuntu edgy eft (a new install) and now I see wrong some directory names with special chars like
[11:31] <minterior> my before locales where iso-8859-1 and now are utf-8. what should I do to arrange that?
[11:31] <minterior> were
[11:31] <OOD> ninnghizidha: np
[11:31] <Lars_G> minterior: There's a tool to recode file names to new locales, but I forgot the name
[11:31] <kjcole> Hi,  anyone familiar with korganizer?  It's misbehaving for me under Edgy.  (Was fine under Dapper.)
[11:32] <Lars_G> minterior: You can search "locale" in freshmeat to see if you find it. Sorry :(
[11:32] <minterior> Lars_G: mmmmm, ok thx!
[11:32] <fdoving> minterior,lars_g you can try 'utf8-migration-tool' (that's the package name).
[11:32] <Lars_G> fdoving: Ah good advice
[11:32] <Lars_G> I might try to go utf-8 too
[11:32] <Lars_G> soon
[11:33] <JakubS> hm, i somehow managed to get enemy territory to run faster (~30fps instead of ~15fps)
[11:33] <bigleon> binary2k2 Once I down load the file from Adept will it auto install it for my use?
[11:33] <Lars_G> JakubS: Tell me how
[11:33] <bigleon> Or is there Further Configuration?
[11:33] <binary2k2> bigleon: yes, it will set itself up
[11:34] <Zaire[AFK] > what sources do you have to add for restricted formats?
[11:34] <JakubS> i added Option "VideoRam" "32768" to xorg.conf but log says it is ignored anyway
[11:34] <bigleon> So with wine My computer should be set for playing windows games?
[11:34] <JakubS> so i have no idea why it is now faster :-)
[11:34] <binary2k2> bigleon: It will work with some, but not all
[11:35] <minterior> fdoving: oooooooh, great!!! thank you very very much! xD
[11:35] <JakubS> still 5fps in quake2 though :-(
[11:35] <minterior> I've already installed it :P
[11:35] <instructor> Hmm I can't get X to start
[11:35] <binary2k2> bigleon: the best way to get all the games working is, sorry to say, use vmware or qemu to start windows in a virtual machine
[11:36] <bigleon> Are those also provided by Adebpt?
[11:36] <soulrider> !teamspeak
[11:36] <bigleon> adept*
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about teamspeak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <soulrider> damn
[11:36] <soulrider> anyone here uses teamspeak ?
[11:36] <soulrider> i cant get my sound working
[11:36] <binary2k2> bigleon: vmware-player is
[11:36] <bigleon> on windows XD
[11:36] <bigleon> kk thanks binary.
[11:37] <binary2k2> bigleon: you'll need a windows inatall CD to install windows in vmware
[11:37] <bigleon> I have a compaq, it has a recovery consle of windows in a 5gb partion. will that work?
[11:38] <binary2k2> bigleon: probably not, i haven't tryed to use a partition to install windows in vmware
[11:38] <JakubS> heh, it is time to stop fooling around with xorg options and enjoy some enemy territory :-)
[11:38] <bigleon> Hmm Do i need Pro or Home ED windows? I know i got a pro disk around here some where XD
[11:39] <binary2k2> bigleon: either will work
[11:39] <bigleon> Thats good. I'll try using that partition just for tests sake :D.
[11:39] <bigleon> and get back to ya on possible success
[11:40] <Bubba_Gump> mmm
[11:40] <Bubba_Gump> mash potatoe
[11:40] <binary2k2> bigleon: I found a help page that you may find useful here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMWarePlayerAndWindowsHOWTO
[11:41] <bigleon> Thanks, I'll bookmark it :D
[11:41] <Zaire[AFK] > ummm how do you enable restricted formats in edgy?
[11:42] <bigleon> Another question
[11:42] <bigleon> wait nvm
[11:42] <bigleon> Wait nvm again
[11:42] <binary2k2> Zaire[AFK] : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:42] <bigleon> Alright
[11:42] <bigleon> Question is I'm trying to find my C:/ folder to make my way to progrmas folder
[11:42] <bigleon> and err i can't find it
[11:42] <Zaire[AFK] > yea Im on their and none of the stuff is recognised by apt
[11:43] <kjcole> Anyone know why korganizer's reminder daemon taskbar icon no longer opens korganizer?  (Worked in Dapper.  Doesn't in Edgy.)
[11:43] <Zaire[AFK] > I enabled the restricted main backports to
[11:43] <binary2k2> bigleon: is the partition mounted?
[11:44] <bigleon> Explain
[11:44] <bigleon> kubuntu has its own partition
[11:44] <bigleon> i got a 160 and gave linux 75 Gb's of Free space
[11:44] <bigleon> it made like 3 partitions a "swap" and a root and something else
[11:45] <binary2k2> bigleon: is the windows partition mounted (so you can browse it)?
[11:45] <bigleon> not sure.
[11:45] <binary2k2> Zaire: did you enable universe and multiverse?
[11:45] <instructor>  can I just remove a XAuthorityfile and It will be recreated?
[11:46] <bigleon> The game installed to my Linux Partition
[11:46] <Zaire> yes I enabled the universe-multiverse backports
[11:46] <binary2k2> bigleon: look in /media and the subdirectories
[11:46] <instructor> I can't get a GUI Login
[11:46] <binary2k2> Zaire: did you update apt then "sudo apt-get update"?
[11:46] <Zaire> yeps
[11:47] <bigleon> it wasn't there
[11:47] <binary2k2> Zaire: if you search for "libxine-extracodecs" what do you see?
[11:48] <Zaire> don't know how to search
[11:48] <binary2k2> bigleon: do you know what partition the windows one is?
[11:48] <bigleon> Sorry about that it crashed me
[11:48] <binary2k2> Zaire: apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs
[11:48] <bigleon> partion has only been formated with NFTS and its Partition 2
[11:48] <instructor> How doI debuga missing X server?
[11:49] <bigleon>  "/home/bigleon/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Program Files/Valve"   could this be important to finding location
[11:50] <bigleon> yeah i found it now :D
[11:50] <bigleon> i'm gonna try and run program
[11:50] <binary2k2> bigleon: ok
[11:51] <binary2k2> Zaire: did you try the search command?
[11:51] <Cyron> Can someone help me with Kmail?  Using an IMAP account, the filters are working fine when I first open the program, but they don't apply on the periodical updates from that point on
[11:51] <bigleon> Alright it kicked me and unlogged me
[11:51] <Zaire> yeps nothing happened cept I dropped down a line
[11:51] <Cyron> What am I missing
[11:51] <Cyron> ?
[11:51] <bigleon> so i had to log in when trying to use cilent. It first tried to launch in GL mode then tried again in software mode. Should I consider this game un play-able then?
[11:52] <binary2k2> Zaire: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:53] <binary2k2> bigleon: it may be, what game is it?
[11:53] <bigleon> Counter Strike 1.6
[11:54] <bigleon> if anything i can just go install windows on my other partition and set it up there
[11:54] <Zaire> binary2k2:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30108/
[11:55] <binary2k2> bigleon: it may be easier that using wine
[11:55] <bigleon> i think i'll go ahead and do that
[11:55] <bigleon> Thanks Binary.
[11:56] <binary2k2> bigleon: np
[11:56] <max_> i was trying to backup my files and i noticed my HD is full but i only have 2 gig of files, can KDE really take up the other 4.5gb on my drive? or is somthing wrong ther
[11:56] <max_> e
[11:57] <parph> downloading kubuntu dvd
[11:57] <binary2k2> you need change the line with ..."edgy universe" to have "edgy universe multiverse"
[11:58] <binary2k2> Zaire: so change it to "deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse"
[11:58] <max_> i was trying to backup my files and i noticed my HD is full but i only have 2 gig of files, can KDE really take up the other 4.5gb on my drive? or is somthing wrong there
[11:58] <Zaire> you mean the backports?
[11:59] <binary2k2> Zaire: no, on the main "edgy" one
[11:59] <Zaire> you mean edgy universe ?
[11:59] <binary2k2> Zaire: yes
[11:59] <binary2k2> Zaire: add "multiverse" to the end of that
[12:01] <binary2k2> Zaire: so it look like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30109/
[12:01] <Zaire> k I changed it and its still not letting me grab them with apt
[12:02] <binary2k2> Zaire: did you run "sudo apt-get update" after?
[12:02] <Zaire> ah nvm there it goes
[12:02] <Zaire> thanks
[12:02] <binary2k2> Zaire: no problem :D
[12:07] <DralaFi> I can't ping from kubuntu to my desktop, but I can if i boot windows on the same machine. Any ideas? Totally puzzled as to why this is happening.
[12:09] <instructor> Don't have your network card turned on?
[12:09] <DralaFi> i have it and its RUNNING and UP
[12:09] <ryanakca> how do I re-enable ctrl-alt-num(+)/num(-)?


[07:05] <chesedo> morning all
[07:09] <inetpro> hi chesedo
[07:09] <inetpro> oh and hi to all else as well


[04:14] <ScottL> i just went through xubuntu-default- settings and xubuntu-artwork and i think i have a fairly complete and actionable plan for transitioning ubuntu studio to the xubuntu theme
[04:14] <ScottL> (it took about 2 hours to do this)
[14:27] <ochosi> ScottL: nice


[01:32] <aboSamoor> any help with the booting, I have more than a minute booting !
[01:36] <Ravenkin> I can't even boot, the update nuked something, there's nothing in boot folder so I can only imagine that's it, can anyone help?
[01:40] <amason> Ravenkin: this with Karmic ?
[01:40] <Ravenkin> Yes amason
[01:42] <amason> you may be able to grab one of the mainline kernels.
[01:42] <amason> boot from a live cd
[01:42] <amason> then chroot into your partition with /boot on it
[01:42] <Ravenkin> I tried booting from a live cd and sticking a kernel from this version of linux into and and it didn't work
[01:42] <amason> and install the kernel
[01:42] <Ravenkin> how do I install the kernel into it?
[01:43] <amason> dpkg
[01:43] <Ravenkin> How would I do that though?
[01:43] <amason> i shoudl be more specific, you will need to mount your / and any other partitions needed for dpkg to function
[01:44] <Ravenkin> ok once I get it mounted what would I have to do?
[01:44] <Ravenkin> I know I can get it mounted I've done that once already, kind of a pain since it's encrypted, but once I get it mounted, then?
[01:45] <amason> chroot into it
[01:46] <Ravenkin> k?
[01:47] <amason> sorry, i am not a native english speaker. Which part are you having trouble with , I will attempt to rephrase the answer.
[01:47] <Ravenkin> I just don't know how to install a kernel once the drive is mounted, what is the command to do that?
[01:48] <amason> chroot
[01:48] <amason> you need to chroot into your mounted partition
[01:48] <amason> then use the dpkg command to install your kernel
[01:48] <Ravenkin> just type dpkg though?
[01:50] <amason> well no.
[01:51] <amason> dpkg -i
[01:51] <amason> the commands themselves are well documented
[01:51] <amason> i am just giving you the overall process of how you would go about getting a usable system
[01:51] <Ravenkin> thanks, you gave me a point to go off of
[01:52] <aboSamoor> amason: I have slow booting, I think it is still under development. how can I know when there is any progress so I can test mine and report any problem ?
[01:52] <amason> aboSamoor i don't know sorry. I am not a kernel developer.
[01:53] <aboSamoor> amason: ok, thanks :)
[01:59] <amason> I'm actually in the channel for assistance too =)
[02:39] <andersk> Is it known that the kernels in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/ have been failing to build since 2009-09-15?
[02:57] <amason> andersk: yeh
[03:52] <unixbomber> quit
[15:41] <rtg_> apw, are you still having fsck issues in your TZ? see comments on bug #427822
[15:41] <ubot3> Malone bug 427822 in linux "fsck says last write time in future" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427822
[15:44] <apw> rtg_ i haven't noticed them no
[15:45] <apw> hrm its not at all obvious which version those guys have
[15:46] <rtg_> apw, I was gonna ask 'em to blat version_signature
[15:46] <apw> yeah me too :)
[15:46] <apw> just checking the one who has a syslog
[15:46] <rtg_> apw, go ahead. I'm working on a linux-firmware issue
[15:46] <apw> ack
[15:47] <rtg_> apw, oh, speaking of which, I plan to collapse the linux-firmware repos into one, and just have a topic branch for each release.
[15:47] <apw> they are so similar i assume
[15:48] <rtg_> apw, quite
[15:48] <apw> and huge
[16:26] <rtg_> Keybuk, I'm thinking about reverting desktop to CFQ with the latest kernel patch 'sched: Disable NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS for now'. Could you do a quick boot test with 'elevator=cfq' to see if boot times regress?
[16:27] <rtg_> you're sort of the rosetta stone for boot times
[16:27] <Keybuk> NOOOOOO!!!!!!!
[16:27] <Keybuk> seriously
[16:27] <Keybuk> leave it at deadline
[16:27] <Keybuk> lynx is the right time to experiment with this
[16:27] <rtg_> Keybuk, well, how about switching to CFQ after boot? I think its much better for my workload.
[16:28] <Keybuk> no!
[16:28] <Keybuk> seriously
[16:28] <Keybuk> we're seeing reports of performance improvements *across the board* with the switch to deadline
[16:28] <Keybuk> cfq is just fucked
[16:28] <rtg_> Keybuk, agreed, but with 'Disable NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS' it works a hell of a lot better,
[16:29] <Keybuk> deadline works just fine for now
[16:29] <rtg_> better then deadline, IMHO
[16:29] <Keybuk> let's revisit for the next release
[16:35] <kaushal> hi
[16:35] <kaushal> when i do sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel on jaunty desktop, I get FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[16:35] <kaushal> any ideas ?
[16:36] <rtg_> smb_tp, ^^
[16:37] <smb_tp> kaushal, whats the dmesg?
[16:38] <smb_tp> And which kernel version?
[16:38] <kaushal> [  292.500775] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_step
[16:38] <kaushal> 2.6.28-15-generic
[16:38] <kaushal> smb_tp: shall i pastebin the dmesg ?
[16:38] <smb_tp> kaushal, yes, please :)
[16:39] <kaushal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/282250/
[16:42] <smb_tp> kaushal, could you also paste your uname -r and modinfo snd-hda-intel? Its odd that the module would be out of sync with the kernel...
[16:42] <kaushal> sure
[16:44] <kaushal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/282254/
[16:49] <kaushal> smb_tp: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=snd-hda-intel.ko&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[16:49] <kaushal> doesnot exist for 2.6.28-15-generic
[16:49] <kaushal> :/
[16:50] <smb_tp> kaushal, Not sure what the search should do but it should be in the linux-image-* package...
[16:52] <smb_tp> Hm your modules magic number is like mine (which loads). Just realised uname -r is not what I wanted. :-P sorry. Just post here the output of /proc/version_signature
[16:55] <smb_tp> Oh, next thing to look at would be the filename and the srcversion line of modinfo snd
[17:00] <kaushal> smb_tp: sure
[17:01] <kaushal> Ubuntu 2.6.28-15.52-generic
[17:01] <kaushal> srcversion:     2C925CEA7D312E7FA6C0F00
[17:01] <smb_tp> kaushal, Ok, same here
[17:02] <smb_tp> but different version of snd
[17:02] <smb_tp> kaushal, Could your path be containing acore ?
[17:02] <kaushal> /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/sound/acore/snd.ko
[17:03] <smb_tp> As I guessed. Might you happen to have a self/externally compiled alsa ?
[17:04] <kaushal> smb_tp: i did install ii  alsa-driver-linuxant                 <IP_ADDRESS>                             ALSA driver enhanced for Conexant HDA modem support
[17:04] <kaushal> to configure modem on my laptop
[17:05] <kaushal> it used to work for -11 generic kernel
[17:05] <smb_tp> kaushal, That might be the source. If you can make it recompile, you might be fine. As I do not know the package, maybe just reinstall it
[17:06] <kaushal> reinstall alsa-driver-linuxant ?
[17:07] <smb_tp> yes. I guess it creates a duplicate version of the alsa core drivers. There might be a reconfigure command...
[17:07] <kaushal> ok
[17:08] <smoser> rtg_, around ?
[17:08] <smb_tp> kaushal, The same thing could happen each time you update the kernel.
[17:09] <rtg_> smoser, yep
[17:09] <smoser> can you confirm or refute the following: linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2 will only ever have version 2.6.31-300.3 . any subsequent packages for that image will have different package names.
[17:09] <smoser> (note, that current version is 2.6.31-300.3)
[17:11] <rtg_> smoser, your statement is imprecise. Subsequent updates may or may not have a new package name, depending on if the ABI number changes.
[17:11] <smoser> ok. then i say 'false' to the above statement.
[17:11] <rtg_> smoser, correct
[17:12] <smoser> the outcome of which is that I have to include the '.3' in a kernel name that i put on ec2
[17:12] <smoser> thank you.
[17:12] <rtg_> smoser, in as much as you want to reference the specific version, then yes. however, I do not recommend that.
[17:15] <smoser> rtg_, well, i have to. as i'm stuck in a namespace
[17:16] <smoser> ie, if there were ever a .4 version, then i want to upload it. and i can't replace the .3 version or it would break anyone using it.
[17:17] <rtg_> smoser, you mean a version update to an existing package? why would that break anyone using it?
[17:17] <smoser> if i push a new kernel to ec2, i would upload it to somewhere like:
[17:17] <smoser> canonical-us/ubuntu-kernel-2.6.31-300.3-ec2-x86_64
[17:18] <smoser> right now i have the '.3' in there. if i remove it, a subsequent upload would overwrite that.
[17:18] <rtg_> smoser, pretty much like doing a 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade'
[17:18] <smoser> you can't replace a file because it has external information pointing to it (the "aki")
[17:19] <smoser> so, quick overview:
[17:19] <smoser> that path above is an s3 path (amazon storage)
[17:19] <smoser> s3 is used to store files that are used as kernel, ramdisk, or images for ec2
[17:20] <smoser> a file is registered with ec2, and is given a globally unique image id (aki-80a84be9)
[17:20] <rtg_> smoser, so, it sounds like you have to be name as well as version specific.
[17:20] <smoser> if i subsequently replace the file , then anyone using aki-80a84be9 will no longer be able to use it
[17:21] <smoser> because their tools will say "treason! someone is trying to swap your kernel!"
[17:21] <smoser> with obviously good reasons.
[17:22] <smoser> so, rtg_ you probalby have no care, but if i had to choose between:
[17:22] <smoser>   linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2
[17:22] <smoser> and
[17:22] <smoser> oops
[17:22] <smoser> between
[17:22] <smoser>   linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2.3
[17:22] <smoser> and
[17:22] <smoser>   linux-image-2.6.31-300.3-ec2
[17:22] <smoser> which would you pick? i think i lean towards the '.3' on the end rather than inserted into the middle.
[17:23] <rtg_> smoser, mox nix.
[17:23] <smoser> the other option is being possibly overly verbose:
[17:24] <smoser> ok. thanks for your time.
[17:24] <rtg_> smoser, np
[18:07] <akgraner> ogasawara, you're a rock star!!!  :-)
[18:08] <rtg_> akgraner, surely you're not just coming to that realization :) we've all known it for awhile.
[18:09] <akgraner> rtg_, oh I've known that  :-)
[18:10] <rtg_> akgraner, oh by the way, jjohansen muttered something about an AppArmor session during Open week
[18:10] <akgraner> rtg_, sweet...
[18:11] <akgraner> just add it to the wiki..:-)
[18:11] <rtg_> akgraner, I'll annoy him to make sure he takes positive action.
[18:11] <akgraner> rtg_, great.. that way I don't have to annoy people... I have that skill perfected already...:-)
[18:11] <jjohansen> rtg_, akgraner: I was just doing that
[18:12] <akgraner> jjohansen, :-)  thanks you rock...


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