[11:25] <waylandbill> Huey: if you blacklist the module, it will not load on the next boot.
[11:25] <waylandbill> Huey: again. I can't say what will happen other than the one will not load.
[11:26] <Huey> waylandbill: sorry, typed that in the wrong channel :-P
[11:26] <Roy_> Hallo, i've a question about keyboard layout
[11:27] <RurouniJones> Is there a way to get Thunderbird to minimise to the system tray when you click the 'X'? (Like amarok and Konversation)
[11:27] <aryr100-afk> kk need this cmd for kde (sudo gedit ~/.bashrc) kdesu kate not opening it ?
[11:27] <Roy_> i installed beryl and now i have a keyboard with death keys
[11:28] <shockdiode> if i recall correctly scsi emulation is no longer needed for burners or did that change?
[11:28] <waylandbill> aryr100-afk: kdesu will cause you to open root's bashrc. You can simply 'kate ~/.bashrc' without the kdesu
[11:28] <Roy_> a search in the net and found something to change that, but the explained menu-point doesn't exist in my kubuntu
[11:29] <shockdiode> on an older debian install of mine i remember switching to pure ide for burners
[11:29] <aryr100-afk> kk works thx
[11:31] <Roy_> does anybody know, how to change the keyboard layout to "nodeadkeys"?
[11:32] <Roy_> in regional settings i found that
[11:32] <Roy_> but
[11:32] <Roy_> under keyboard-type i can't select any type
[11:33] <waylandbill> shockdiode: you could be right. Interestingly, I see my burner as /dev/hdc.
[11:34] <waylandbill> the only scsi emulation I have is for my sd/mmc card reader
[11:35] <waylandbill> shockdiode: what does dmesg | grep CD output?
[11:37] <xenol> i got a problem with video on feisty, in kaffeine the film plays very slow and screen is green (lol)
[11:38] <xenol> any ideas? already tried mplayer vlc but no success
[11:38] <emilsedgh> xenol: have you your video card installed properly?
[11:45] <dappermuis> xenol, also, do you have the right codecs installed?
[11:45] <xenol> dappermuis: i have installed w32codecs, also instal libxine-extracodecs, mpeg, libarts1-mpeglib
[11:46] <xenol> anything i forgot?
[11:46] <mauri> someone knows where adept updater stored the packages downloaded?
[11:46] <emilsedgh> xenol: video card, is that installed properly?
[11:47] <emilsedgh> mauri: /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:47] <xenol> emilsedgh:  no drivers installed
[11:47] <emilsedgh> xenol: whats your vga?
[11:47] <xenol> emilsedgh:  ati 9600 pro
[11:47] <dappermuis> xenol, no that looks about right. Take emilsedgh's advice and check your video card
[11:47] <xenol> dappermuis:  check what about it? :-/
[11:47] <emilsedgh> xenol: please take a look at wiki to find out how to install ati drivers
[11:48] <xenol> emilsedgh:  k should that help?
[11:48] <emilsedgh> xenol: im nost sure, but i think so
[11:48] <mauri> emilsedgh: thanks..... can i remove them if they are already installed?
[11:48] <emilsedgh> mauri: yes
[11:49] <xenol> emilsedgh: does ubuntu applies also on kubuntu?
[11:50] <emilsedgh> xenol: yes, but please remember that there is no restricted manager in kubuntu feisty, you should follow the manual guide
[11:51] <xenol> emilsedgh:  u mean the one with downloading some files and flgrx?
[11:52] <emilsedgh> xenol: yes
[11:52] <xenol> emilsedgh:  k
[11:53] <mauri> emilsedgh: why adept does not remove them itself after the install
[11:54] <emilsedgh> mauri: because many people (like me) love them! take backup from them and copy them!
[11:54] <mauri> emilsedgh: ok thanks a lot I understand
[11:55] <emilsedgh> mauri: im on dial up, when i get kde4 beta 2 packages (about 300MB download), it took many hours, I dont want to lose them :)
[11:55] <emilsedgh> mauri: me = many people like me
[11:56] <mauri> emilsedgh: yes of couse, this is the reason why I would know where they was stored
[11:57] <xenol> emilsedgh can u plz tell me if i have sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv writen that Xv must be replaced  with my gpu type?
[11:57] <emilsedgh> xenol: sorry, dunno
[12:03] <waylandbill> mauri: /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:04] <mauri> emilsedgh: have you tried kd4? wha do you think
[12:04] <mauri> waylandbill: thanks
[12:04] <waylandbill> mauri: see the man page for apt-get and specifically the clean and autoclean commands.
[12:05] <emilsedgh> mauri: before trying, its months and months that im following the development process, trust it, KDE4 rocks, even if not in 4.0, it will rock in 4.1, 4.2 and later
[12:05] <Jones-K> How to add custom commands to keyboard shortcuts? i found only avaible to put something from kmenu
[12:07] <mauri> waylandbill: thank you
[12:07] <emilsedgh> Jones-K: systemSettings->Keyboard->shortcuts
[12:08] <emilsedgh> Jones-K: but looks like that you have to create new menu entry for that
[12:08] <Jones-K> yep, don't wanna put my kmenu full of shortcuts
[12:08] <Jones-K> so i was asking what's the right way to do it beyond that
[12:09] <mauri> emilsedgh: now i've 3.5.7 kde version...is it easy to switch to 4.0 or not
[12:09] <emilsedgh> Jones-K: i dunno, maybe otheres know
[12:09] <Jones-K> some k application used to be for that, maby find that
[12:09] <emilsedgh> mauri: install kde4 packages from feisty-backports, you will have them both, no conflict
[12:09] <waylandbill> in digiKam, when I want to select an icon for a tag, selecting anything but Applications for System Icons gives an empty category of icons.
[12:10] <Jones-K> btw, does anyone know any xmms plugin for flashing keyboard leds?
[12:12] <mauri> emilsedgh: i'm a beginner...and i'm using kubuntu 7.10
[12:13] <emilsedgh> mauri: they are already in 7.10, search kde4 in adept manager, but thats not usefull for you...
[12:13] <mauri> emilsedgh: tell me why it is ot usefull fomr me
[12:14] <emilsedgh> mauri: its really unstable and buggy :) you cannot even use Konqueror to browse the web for more than a few minutes
[12:16] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using pppoeconf to connect to the net.  but somehow my dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf keep getting reset to the default entry i.e. <IP_ADDRESS> even though i've added additional ones via knetworkmanager.  any ideas?
[12:17] <mauri_> who is the person that was speaking with me about kde4?
[12:19] <mauri_> wolferine: do i speak with you before about kde4
[12:21] <RurouniJones> Does anyone else have sound trouble when running ZSNES? There is lots of interference etc.
[12:21] <mauri_> i've have a big big problem with kubuntu (now 7.10 version)
[12:22] <mauri_> Could someone help me
[12:22] <xenol> !ask | mauri_
[12:22] <ubotu> mauri_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:24] <mauri_> xenol: the problem is that sometimes on the video appear vertical line, only the mouse is possibile to move but it does not select nothing. I'm not be able to do nothing. I've tried to chaged kernel, but the problem still esist
[12:24] <emilsedgh> mauri: i was speaking to you :)
[12:25] <mauri_> emilsedgh: sorry but the system had blocked
[12:25] <mauri_> emilsedgh: i didn't read you answer about why for me it's not usefull to install kd4
[12:26] <emilsedgh> its really unstable and buggy :) you cannot even use Konqueror to browse the web for more than a few minutes, mauri
[12:27] <emilsedgh> mauri: and, its natural, its beta :)
[12:27] <mauri_> emilsedgh: i've have a big problem with all the kubuntu version
[12:28] <mauri_> emilsedgh: mya you help me
[12:28] <emilsedgh> mauri: with video?
[12:28] <mauri_> emilsedgh: yes
[12:28] <emilsedgh> mauri: did you install your video card driver?
[12:29] <mauri_> emilsedgh: i've tried to chageg the dirver after installed them in the xorg.conf file...but the sistem doesn't start
[12:29] <mauri_> emilsedgh: the problem is that when the problem accours, i'm not be able to do nothig
[12:29] <ardchoille> mauri_: Are you running Feisty?
[12:29] <emilsedgh> mauri: I think your did something wrong, but i dont know how to do that right
[12:29] <mauri_> ardchoille: no, 7.10
[12:29] <emilsedgh> s/your/sou
[12:30] <mauri_> ardchoille: but i've have sthe same problem in 7.04
[12:30] <ardchoille> mauri_: 7.10 is a development release atm, you should be asking in an ubuntu dev channel
[12:31] <deviance> Is KDEbase-dev a good idea? Do I need it to Make?
[12:31] <mauri_> ardchoille: the same problem accour in the 7.04
[12:31] <deviance> It wont let me make otherwise
[12:31] <ardchoille> mauri_: What exactly is the problem? Which video player? What kind of vid card do you have?
[12:31] <fdoving> deviance: what are you trying to 'make' ?
[12:31] <deviance> Domino the widget style
[12:31] <mauri_> ardchoille: i'm not sure that is caused y video adapter. It is nvidia geforce 4400
[12:32] <Jucato> deviance: kdelibs4-dev would be enough (you might need xorg-dev too)
[12:32] <fdoving> deviance: then you probably need it, yes. it does not hurt anyway, except it occupies some space.
[12:32] <ardchoille> mauri_: How did you install the video drivers?
[12:32] <ardchoille> lol
[12:32] <mauri_> ardchoille: i download it from adept and installe nvidia driver insteed nv
[12:33] <fdoving> deviance: jucato may be right, kdelibs4-dev could be enough.
[12:33] <mauri_> ardchoille: in the xrog.conf...but the sistem dont start
[12:33] <Jucato> peace, fdoving :)
[12:33] <fdoving> Jucato: ouch, yeah :)
[12:34] <ardchoille> mauri_: did you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" to update xorg?
[12:34] <mauri_> ardchoille: no, i've simply modiy xorg.con
[12:34] <ardchoille> mauri_: and what happens when you restart x ?
[12:35] <mauri_> ardchoille: nothing....the system was blocked
[12:35] <ardchoille> What do you mean by "blocked"?
[12:36] <mauri_> ardchoille: x is not started
[12:36] <ardchoille> mauri_: Did you run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:37] <mauri_> ardchoille: i've to go now
[12:37] <mauri_> ardchoille: may you give me an email addrss
[12:37] <mauri_> ardchoille: in order to contat you again
[12:37] <ardchoille> mauri_: I don't use email, but I'm usually in here.
[12:38] <mauri_> ardchoille: thanks for the moment
[12:38] <ardchoille> :)
[12:38] <mauri_> ardchoille: i hot to solve this peroblem asap
[12:40] <mauri_> ardchoille: just last question..do you think that it coul be a video adapter problem?
[12:41] <combo> !ati
[12:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:41] <ardchoille> mauri_: I have a feeling that you didn't properly set up the nvidia driver.
[12:42] <ardchoille> mauri_: Read that url that ubotu just posted
[12:42] <mauri_> ardchoille: ok thanks
[12:42] <mauri_> ardchoille: i will do it, bye and thanks again
[12:42] <ardchoille> mauri_: You're welcome
[12:42] <ardchoille> Thanks combo
[12:43] <combo> ardchoille: i wanted that for myself but it's ok if it help also to someone else ;P
[12:43] <ardchoille> combo: :)
[12:44] <ardchoille> combo: Perfect timing
[12:44] <combo> ( i came to this channel little later so i couldn't even see a problem :D )
[12:44] <combo> :)
[12:44] <ardchoille> Ah, ok.   But kde seems to capture it so nothing happens.  How do I fix this?
[12:57] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Can't you right click the link and choose save as?
[12:57] <crazy_bus> sorry I mean alt-click
[12:58] <crazy_bus> ardchoille: I wan't to download lots of files quickly.  So I want to just alt-click and have it added to my download manager
[01:00] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Alt+Left is a konqueror gesture for "Back"
[01:01] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Open kcontrol, go to Regional & Accessibility, then go to Input Actions and look at the "Back" gesture (Keyboard Input Settings tab)
[01:02] <crazy_bus> thanks
[01:02] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: You can disable that by ticking the "Disable" checkbox
[01:05] <crazy_bus> I did what you said ardchoille.  But for some reason alt+click still isn't working
[01:06] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Oh, I just noticed, I was wrong. That gesture is for Alt+Left and I was thinking Alt+LeftClick. Sorry
[01:07] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: But it sounds like a gesture and you should be able to find it in kcontrol and disable it
[01:17] <oMish_> which package will install manpages for pthreads ?
[01:18] <essential> Hellou guys!
[01:19] <essential> Two questions, what program would you use when making simpple video editings and how do I install Java.
[01:19] <pag> !java | essential
[01:19] <ubotu> essential: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:20] <essential> Because, installing the java. It was crying 'bout bin, that it's not directory O__o
[01:20] <essential> !Multiverse
[01:20] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:21] <deviance> How do I animate menus? I know theres an option to have them fade in but where is it?
[01:21] <pag> deviance, kcontrol -> Apperarance -> Style -> Effects ?
[01:22] <deviance> Thats the one :D
[01:24] <uga> ardchoille: heh, shame I'm late. Alt+click is the window grab
[01:24] <uga> kwin captures it to move windows
[01:25] <feierfox> hi
[01:25] <pag> !hi | feierfox
[01:25] <ubotu> feierfox: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:25] <feierfox> where can i get the daily-build of gutsy?
[01:25] <ardchoille> uga: D'ho! I should have thought of that since I use it
[01:25] <uga> ardchoille: it can be modified by right clicking on a window, configure window behavior->actions->window actions->
[01:26] <ardchoille> uga: That's good to know
[01:26] <uga> next time he comes ;)
[01:26] <harrowed> feierfox: Try [ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ ]
[01:26] <pag> feierfox, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:27] <feierfox> thanks!
[01:27] <feierfox> i think about upgrading today... :O
[01:27] <harrowed> I did last night :D Few scratches but all nice now :)
[01:29] <feierfox> i just have to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:29] <feierfox> right?
[01:33] <uga> harrowed: in my case it was the whole disk scratched ;P
[01:33] <uga> lucky you
[01:34] <harrowed> uga :: LOL.. You do realise you shouldn't piff CD's like frisbee's? Or is that a rhetorical question?
[01:35] <uga> harrowed: how did you know! that's what I did to the gutsy CD afterwards! ;))
[01:35] <pag> feierfox, change "feisty" to "gutsy" in /etc/apt/sources.list , command " sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade " and have your fingers crossed
[01:35] <uga> and see your machine ruined and needing to reinstall feisty :P
[01:35] <feierfox> and remove foreign-sources
[01:35] <harrowed> uga: And boot live to download Live CD and install Gutsy!
[01:35] <uga> not even chrooting and updating again, nor checking bootup options, nor...
[01:35] <uga> couldnt' fix it
[01:38] <harrowed> uga: Try running Damn Small Linux on an XBOX and downloading the ISO to burn :D
[01:39] <uga> I've done very weird things in the past and fixed my machines often, but this one...
[01:39] <uga> I couldn't even make it display antyhing, no matter how much I changed vga options
[01:39] <uga> I saw the splash, but terminals weren't available
[01:39] <uga> so I booted with the live CD and chrooted. It turned out that the spanish mirror was f*cked up
[01:39] <uga> so I changed mirror, and updated again. No luck
[01:40] <harrowed> Eww.. Took me a day to work mine, but that's just silly onboard i810 crap instead of my nVidia card (legacy)
[01:40] <uga> I rebooted in single mode, that gave me a nice console, but the network card wasn't found
[01:40] <uga> not even loading all net modules
[01:40] <Zergiu> hello jucato
[01:40] <azali> hi guys
[01:40] <feierfox> now it's stucking at 99% :/
[01:40] <harrowed> hi azali
[01:40] <azali> i've got a problem with my ubuntu
[01:40] <uga> I got the asus CD, tried building the network driver... it didn't find the necessary headers
[01:40] <uga> isn't it fun ;)
[01:41] <azali> who can help me with setting up dc++ client
[01:41] <harrowed> uga: Ewww.. Sucks to be you :D
[01:41] <harrowed> feierfox: Did you remove all external sources?
[01:42] <feierfox> no :/
[01:42] <harrowed> feierfox: probably stuck finding all the language files if you running non - en_US
[01:42] <uga> harrowed: my most enjoyable (fixed) experience was when a gentoo ebuild failed installing properly libc,ld...
[01:42] <uga> ie, the system was completely broken
[01:42] <harrowed> uga: And you fixed it? Ewww
[01:42] <harrowed> uga: May as well build from kernel up solo!
[01:43] <harrowed> wb deviance
[01:43] <uga> harrowed: yup. chroot would not work because bash in the destination machine needs those libs. But then I found that gentoo always includes a statically linked shell, cant' recall which one
[01:43] <uga> and asked chroot to run it
[01:43] <d3ce1t> hi people, there is some web with kubuntu gutsy bugs?
[01:43] <harrowed> d3ce1t: Posting or parsing?
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> d3ce1t: yeah... there is
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> !bugs | d3ce1t
[01:44] <ubotu> d3ce1t: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:44] <d3ce1t> posting I think
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: or the little creepy crawlers ;)
[01:45] <d3ce1t> ah well ubotu :) I didn't read the "or any of its derivatives"
[01:45] <d3ce1t> thanksss
[01:45] <d3ce1t> nosrednaekim:  thanksss
[01:45] <harrowed> d3ce1t: You're reminding me of my mud'ing days playing a Lizardman.. I'm scared!
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[01:45] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[01:47] <d3ce1t> harrowed: xDD scared? why? haha
[01:47] <harrowed> d3ce1t: Because I saw a KMUD client :D May want to get back into it.
[01:48] <harrowed> *prods client* Meanie running KDE 3.7.. I mean Gutsy without 4.x :D not bleeding edge enough
[01:49] <combo> i have a problem with konqurer - it is written that there is no MIME type ?! what it means ? :]
[01:49] <harrowed> E: Couldn't find package gutsy-backports *CRY*
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> combo: it means it that it cannot detect the type of file because it (probably) does not have a file name extension such as .odt,.zip, .deb, etc
[01:50] <combo> nosrednaekim: how can i fix that ? :///
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> combo: what type of file is it?
[01:50] <feierfox> ok, now i did dist-upgrade and pray...
[01:50] <harrowed> pray to torvalds!
[01:50] <combo> it is when i'm opening /home/user then this alert appear
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> make that Shuttleworth
[01:51] <harrowed> pray to ubotu!
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> combo: ah..... and konqueror doesn't show anything?
[01:51] <combo> nosrednaekim: that's right
[01:51] <combo> only bland  grey area
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> combo: had the same problem... forget how I solved it..
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> combo: definately file a bug
[01:52] <combo> nosrednaekim: no! crap! :(
[01:52] <uga> harrowed: you really don't want to run kde4 yet
[01:52] <d3ce1t> harrowed: well :)) I have just discover what mean MUD client now, so thankss :P
[01:52] <uga> harrowed: it's not useable
[01:52] <feierfox> i pray to tux
[01:52] <ubuntu_> 0_o
[01:52] <harrowed> d3ce1t: LOL Old school!
[01:52] <mario_> hi you all
[01:52] <uga> harrowed: unless you're coding apps, that is
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: in sutsy, KDE4 is in universe
[01:52] <harrowed> uga: But.. but.. Feisty can run it :D
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> *gutsy
[01:53] <uga> harrowed: can run what, a desktop, a broken icon list on bottom and a cool fx? =)
[01:53] <harrowed> nosrednaekim: Tah :D
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> combo: so you can't do ANY filemanagement with konqueror?
[01:53] <combo> nosrednaekim: hmm... it is also written in another alert that MIME types are NOT installed
[01:53] <harrowed> uga: Try running beryl on 32 meg nvidia legacy :P
[01:53] <combo> nosrednaekim: it looks so
[01:53] <uga> harrowed: I've used beryl on 128MB 4year old cards just fine
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> combo: mimetypes are not installed.... hmmm did any upgrades or such?
[01:54] <uga> worked and stable
[01:54] <combo> nosrednaekim: maybe it is caused i deleted something from home dir
[01:54] <uga> kde4 won't
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> combo: what did you delete?
[01:54] <harrowed> uga: I'm talking 1999 TNT2 NVidia 32 Meg :D
[01:54] <combo> i had GNOME before and i though that i can deletes some UN-USED folder from gnome if i have KDE now
[01:55] <combo> nosrednaekim: and as it seems now those folders where non-unused :/
[01:55] <mario_> bye...
[01:55] <harrowed> combo: Did it explode?
[01:55] <combo> harrowed: eee... what ? :]
[01:55] <combo> nothing exploded
[01:55] <combo> ;P
[01:55] <harrowed> combo: yet
[01:55] <combo> nosrednaekim: but i think i can have those folders in trash..hoply
[01:56] <combo> trash..doesn't want to open :D
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> combo: try getting the filemanager dolphin... should be in the repositories
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> !info dolphin
[01:56] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[01:56] <uga> 20% of kdelibs done... unbeleivable
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> uga: KDE4?
[01:56] <combo> nosrednaekim: but i have those foders in trash! can resotre them simply
[01:56] <uga> yes
[01:56] <combo> nosrednaekim: it will be easier... :)
[01:57] <uga> 30% =)
[01:57] <uga> I love the new box ;)
[01:57] <harrowed> uga: Pffftb
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> combo: I'm saying... install dolphin so that you can easily cpoy them over
[01:57] <combo> where is ./trash folder normally ?
[01:57] <uga> harrowed: =)
[01:57] <combo> nosrednaekim: right :D
[01:57] <harrowed> combo: root folder
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> combo: /home/username/.local/trash I think
[01:57] <uga> now if only I could monitor cpu temperature...
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> uga: you can...
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !sensors | uga
[01:58] <uga> anybody had asus p5k boards monitored?
[01:58] <ubotu> uga: You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[01:58] <harrowed> Err /.trash something on non-ext2/3 fs
[01:58] <uga> nosrednaekim: couldn't get it to work here
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> uga: ah.... ok. Always worked for me on my AMDs..
[01:58] <uga> it worked on my previous intel board too
[01:58] <uga> but not here
[01:58] <uga> :/
[01:59] <harrowed> uga: Stoofed :D
[01:59] <uga> harrowed: 70% =)
[01:59] <uga> and building from scratch
[01:59] <uga> ie, no previously built files
[01:59] <harrowed> uga: Missed a word, get stoofed :D
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> uga: you have a Raptor in that thing or something?
[01:59] <uga> harrowed: I understood :P
[02:00] <uga> nosrednaekim: new box... core2 quad 2.44
[02:00] <uga> and running make -j4
[02:00] <uga> does the work nicely ;)
[02:00] <harrowed> uga: He's probably running a clone of that $2500 US Supercomputer at home :D
[02:00] <uga> harrowed: lol
[02:00] <harrowed> err that was to nosrednaekim :D
[02:00] <combo> nosrednaekim: i can see those folders now: it is: emerald, evolution, frostwire, kiba-dock, loki, stratagus, wapi, xchat, logs, warcraft... before i had ubuntu with compiz
[02:00] <harrowed> 26 Gflops! OMG
[02:01] <uga> harrowed: 1keur, selected bought piece by piece
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: Turion X2..... a super computer 15 years ago ;)
[02:01] <combo> nosrednaekim: it doesn't look at important folders, does ti ? :)
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> combo: what?
[02:01] <harrowed> uga: So where's my burn in build :D
[02:01] <combo> those folders i deleted from home dir
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> what doesn't look at them?
[02:02] <combo> nosrednaekim: i thought that thanks those folders konqurer doesn;t work anymore
[02:02] <combo> nosrednaekim: those folders do not look at system-necessary-folders
[02:02] <harrowed> combo: Your konquerer's conked out. Dolphin's just an alternate
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: *K*oncked ;)
[02:03] <combo> harrowed: can i reinstall my system - but formatt only / partition and /home leave alone without formattin' ? is this possible?
[02:03] <combo> is konqurer gonna work ?
[02:04] <uga> this is what I get when trying to insmod the sensor module: FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): No such device
[02:04] <combo> i mean ... delete all folders from /home/username except my personal and reinstall system ?
[02:04] <combo> nosrednaekim: is this possible ? ;P
[02:04] <harrowed> combo: if you did it all manuallly yeah
[02:04] <combo> harrowed: and kub will add its system folders to my /home/ automaticlly ?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> combo: that would not be very smart... lets try to find my problem. Sure its possible.. but its not easiest ;)
[02:05] <combo> aithout deleting those rest folders  ;>
[02:05] <harrowed> combo: I'd not recomend it. Just split the free space and move the /home/ there
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> s/my/your
[02:05] <combo> nosrednaekim: ehhh.... :]
[02:05] <harrowed> sed be damned nos :D
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> combo: try reinstalling konqueror (you can do it within adept)
[02:06] <combo> nosrednaekim: just remove it and then install again ?
[02:06] <harrowed> combo: Select reinstall option
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> combo: I think there is a "reinstall" option
[02:06] <combo> harrowed: understood
[02:07] <azali> i wanna say ubuntu rules
[02:07] <harrowed> nosrednaekim: There is in Synaptic.. Can't recall if in Adept
[02:07] <harrowed> azali: ^_^
[02:07] <azali> especially after windows
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: yeah I  use synaptic myself
[02:08] <harrowed> The dependancy checkup/add in Adept's a pain :(
[02:08] <harrowed> YEY! It hsa request Reinstall :D
[02:09] <harrowed> s/hsa/has/ :D
[02:10] <uga> strange... I know for sure the board includes the W83627DHG
[02:11] <uga> maybe a buggy module?
[02:11] <harrowed> uga: Does it return anything directly reading it?
[02:11] <uga> harrowed: how am I supposed to do that?
[02:12] <harrowed> uga: Not sure if you have it listed under /dev's :D
[02:12] <uga> it's an i2c interface. No idea how to read those i2cs...
[02:12] <uga> but first the module should be loaded, so that it interfaces to the /dev
[02:13] <uga> and it fails doing so
[02:13] <harrowed> Could be buggy drivers?
[02:13] <harrowed> Restricted Hardware? or Kernel?
[02:13] <uga> "Since kernel 2.6.21 and 2.6.22, the w83627dhg support and the coretemp driver respectively ."
[02:13] <uga> okay... stooopid kernel version ;)
[02:13] <uga> why even include the module if it doesn't work :P
[02:14] <harrowed> uga: So you can manualy recompile it :D
[02:14] <harrowed> Same with Webcam's :D
[02:14] <uga> pfff. I don't feel like buildng my own kernel again. I did so for ages in gentoo. Now that I was happy with kubuntu kernels.... :P
[02:15] <uga> harrowed: any chances the gutsy kernels are working fine on feisty? :P
[02:15] <uga> and that I'll be able to install them fine without them trashing my current kernel? :)
[02:15] <harrowed> uga: You'd need to install the dep's but I don't see why not :)
[02:16] <uga> well, the kernel shouldn't have many deps. The modules, maybe
[02:16] <uga> I'll need the sources too, but that's about it
[02:16] <uga> my worry is if it'll try to reconfigure my grub
[02:16] <harrowed> remount /boot non-write
[02:17] <uga> no boot partition :/
[02:17] <uga> just /
[02:17] <harrowed> Ooow default partition setting oh so bad.. EXT3? Evil Journaling :)
[02:17] <uga> my way of partitioning has been /, /home/, swap, and some externs
[02:17] <uga> harrowed: LOL
[02:18] <uga> I stopped using a boot partition from the times... mandrake was it?... kept installing everything there, and ended up filling the partition... and... it wouldn't boot anymore
[02:18] <harrowed> Go! :D / /boot/ /home/ /opt/ /lib
[02:18] <harrowed> Forget /opt now YEY! Maybe even a /usr :D
[02:18] <uga> uh? why split lib, and opt
[02:19] <uga> from /
[02:19] <harrowed> Coz my dev build goes crazy with libs!
[02:19] <uga> lol
[02:19] <harrowed> speically if not backwards *so glad I'm away from gnomie!*
[02:20] <uga> ugh, anyone knows the structure of repositories?
[02:20] <uga> where are the main debs meant to be?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: pool I think
[02:20] <uga> ah, cheers. There they are
[02:21] <harrowed>  /ubuntu/archive/pool/main/
[02:21] <harrowed> Doh
[02:22] <uga> heh, and.. possibly a silly question... what's the diff between a *.udeb and a *.deb?
[02:22] <harrowed> One has a u in front of it?
[02:22] <uga> lol
[02:22] <soon> I've just installed a Gutsy release candidate ... when the final Gutsy is released, will the release candidate be upgraded (via Adept) or do I need to re-install ???
[02:22] <harrowed> soon: Always be able to update! :D
[02:23] <harrowed> soon: No dist-upgrade necessary for us!
[02:23] <Jucato> er.. dist-upgrade....
[02:23] <Jucato> (the default actions in Synaptic and Adept are dist-upgrade
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> .udeb....hmmm maybe its a deb thats on a ubuntu liveCD?
[02:24] <soon> so ... what youre saying is ... If I just keep running the current installation, it will be upgraded to the final release - I need do nothing more than daily adept upgrades - yes?
[02:25] <Jucato> soon: exactly
[02:25] <harrowed> soon: Yup..  Same as bleeding edge builds
[02:25] <soon> thx
[02:25] <Jucato> you can upgrade daily to the release
[02:26] <uga> harrowed: btw, adept_manager shows the source from where the packs were installed
[02:26] <uga> which means it's easy to find them in the repos
[02:26] <wers> !paste
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[02:26] <harrowed> So tempted to move the Install CD to a USB with a updating pool of packages... That Beta5 update was evil :)
[02:26] <ubuntu> hello how do you encode an mpeg 2 dixv avi?
[02:27] <harrowed> ubuntu: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/divx_linux_guide.html
[02:27] <wers> I can't access MySQL as root http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38339/
[02:28] <wers> what do I do?
[02:30] <harrowed> wers: run mysqladmin and set root's password
[02:31] <harrowed> sudo mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password'
[02:31] <ubuntu> I am just a normal user who can a few commands out of its mindXD
[02:31] <Skiff> SkiffX
[02:32] <harrowed> sudo mysqladmin -u root -h localhost password 'new-password'          or if using real hostnames
[02:32] <wers> I tried it harrowed but "error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'"
[02:33] <harrowed> wers: Personally I'd drop the databases and force them to re-write from scratch
[02:33] <wers> harrowed, how do I do that?
[02:33] <harrowed> wers: carefully
[02:34] <uga> harrowed: uhm.. kde4 is becoming better ;)
[02:34] <uga> (jk)
[02:34] <harrowed> uga: *bite* B'stage :D
[02:34] <uga> harrowed: plasma seems to have moved elsewhere, or widgets aren't loading...
[02:34] <uga> so no, not looking very good right now
[02:34] <uga> but the style got a few fixes I loved. It was really ugly before
[02:35] <uga> and finally the kwin deco got fixed
[02:35] <wers> harrowed, here's the thing: I was trying to make my amarok use mySQL by following this article--> http://mikesubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-to-set-up-mysql-database-in-amarok.html
[02:35] <wers> after entering some commands, at some point, I screwed up
[02:37] <harrowed> wers: now this (replace PASSWORD with your password) <- Did you do that? replacing it with your own pass?
[02:37] <wers> I did that
[02:38] <harrowed> wers: Then you need to enter your password as that command that follows changes the root password for MySQL
[02:38] <harrowed> wers: mysqladmin -u root password PASSWORD <- is telling MySQL to use username, 'root', and set their password to PASSWORD
[02:39] <harrowed> Hehe uga killed X I think :D
[02:39] <wers> yep.. I know that.. but whenever I enter that code with my password...
[02:39] <wers> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[02:40] <harrowed> wers: (using password: NO) you weren't using a pass for it it says
[02:40] <deviance> Can I turn off window resizing when its maximized?
[02:43] <harrowed> deviance: sorry I'm no help with interface features atm.. :(
[02:48] <uga|away> harrowed: almost
[02:48] <uga|away> /home/uga# sensors
[02:48] <uga|away> w83627dhg-i2c-9191-290
[02:48] <uga|away>  ERROR: Can't get adapter or algorithm?!?
[02:48] <harrowed> uga: WB
[02:49] <uga> I managed booting the gutsy kernel. Now I may know how to fix gutsy's boot... just disabling the splash...
[02:49] <uga> at least that gets you a terminal. And ignore the vga commands. Default
[02:49] <uga> no vga=791 as I was doing. Else you get no terminal at all
[02:50] <uga> harrowed: any idea what that message means?
[02:50] <uga> I need a newer lm-sensors pack, maybe?
[02:51] <harrowed> uga: It detects it though.. Why wouldn't it  respond
[02:52] <harrowed> uga: You running it as a module or did you recompile the kernel?
[02:52] <uga> yes, now the module loads fine, it seems. But it looks as if it cannot decode the information
[02:52] <uga> harrowed: running the gutsy kernel with gutsy modules
[02:52] <harrowed> uga: Is it turned on in the bios?
[02:52] <uga> on feisty
[02:52] <uga> harrowed: it should be, since the bios can show temperatures
[02:52] <Jucato> !aptitude > wers
[02:53] <harrowed> uga: Why not just go the she-bang :D
[02:53] <uga> shewhat? =)
[02:53] <harrowed> uga: gutsy! :D
[02:53] <uga> I got no time for women today. I got a real crappy flu
[02:53] <uga> =)
[02:53] <uga> oh, gutsy
[02:54] <uga> harrowed: because I had a real bad experience with it yesterday
[02:54] <uga> I want to do tests first
[02:54] <harrowed> uga: I don't think you're going to get it unless you do a source build of kernel :(
[02:54] <bahr> Hi there. I have a Dell Dimension 9150 with a Geforce 6800 Graphics Card, which I would like to get 3d accel support for. I've tried to install the nvidia drivers according to this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia but when I restart X, it just goes black and I get the Kubuntu Load Screen with the blue progress bar. Can someone help me please?
[02:54] <harrowed> Rather then module
[02:54] <bahr> oh and I am running 7.04
[02:54] <harrowed> bahr: Any onboard video card?
[02:54] <uga> harrowed: uh? I'm running the gutsy kernel image. And gutsy modules
[02:54] <bahr> harrowed: no
[02:54] <uga> the module seems to be working, just the sensor utils don't seem to
[02:55] <uga> trying to bulid lm-sensors, here
[02:55] <harrowed> uga: KK.. You got the newer header's for it?
[02:55] <bahr> bahr:  weird thing is that it has worked in a previous kubuntu installation I made once, but now suddenly it doesn't even though I used the exact same procedure
[02:55] <bahr> eh oops that was not ment for myself lol
[02:55] <uga> harrowed: installing them now
[02:56] <harrowed> bahr: LOL.. Ok.. WHich one did you isntall? nvidia-new or?
[02:57] <harrowed> bahr: Ignore that you have to run nvidia-glx anyway
[02:57] <bahr> harrowed: ok, well I installed nvidia-glx as it said in the guide
[02:58] <harrowed> bahr: What does lspci | grep PCI say?
[02:59] <bahr> it says:
[02:59] <bahr> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL PCI Express Root Port
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH/GHM (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 01)
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH/GHM (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 01)
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
[02:59] <harrowed> 82801 onboard ethernet?
[02:59] <Jucato> !flood | bahr
[02:59] <ubotu> bahr: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:00] <bahr> oh sorry ...
[03:00] <uga> harrowed: =(  linux-headers-2.6.22-12-generic: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is to be installed
[03:00] <harrowed> uga: Ewww not dev build!
[03:00] <EmanueleT> Hello
[03:01] <Santiago> hola
[03:01] <EmanueleT> I've installed Kubuntu yesterday, and I'm trying to make suspend to disk working
[03:01] <harrowed> bahr: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure "nvidia" not "nv" is set.
[03:01] <uga> harrowed: now that I know how to fix the boot, I could try upgrading, but I'm totally scared ;))
[03:01] <Santiago> cual era el codigo de kubuntu es?
[03:01] <harrowed> uga: JFS... :D
[03:01] <uga> Santiago: este canal es de habla inglesa...
[03:02] <Jucato> !es | Santiago
[03:02] <Santiago> si. me di cuenta
[03:02] <ubotu> Santiago: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:02] <EmanueleT> I've a nvidia card... I followed the howtos, but I've still this issue: the laptop hibernates fine, but when I resume it, a black screen appears and it starts blinking!
[03:02] <bahr> harrowed: I don't have it installed now, this is a fresh installation of kubuntu again, but I already did that last time. Didn't work either
[03:02] <harrowed> bahr: There's numerous lil ways to get it.. I had to not install defaults to get mine and then add GLX with Composite work-arounds
[03:03] <uga> harrowed: uh? dont' tell me gutsy uses JFS as default FS ;)
[03:03] <harrowed> bahr: Best bet is, remember CTRL+ALT+Backspace = Kills X.
[03:03] <harrowed> ext3 is JFS *bop*
[03:03] <bahr> harrowed: yeah but the really odd thing is, that it actually did work twice, following the procedure on the wiki, but suddenly it does not choose to work.
[03:04] <harrowed> bahr: Unusual.. Backup the /etc/X11/xorg.conf once it works once to your user's home directory
[03:04] <bahr> harrowed: yeah but that does not work when the kubuntu load screen comes up, it just hangs, and I need to restart kdm and copy my xorg.backup file before I can login again
[03:04] <harrowed> bahr: Sometimes an update xserver-xorg will re-write it.
[03:05] <harrowed> bahr: Goto console, sudo ps aux | grep kdm
[03:05] <harrowed> bahr: kill -9 PID's of each KDM
[03:05] <harrowed> Then test with startx bypassing KDM
[03:05] <uga> harrowed: if you can't localise me back in less than 24h, call the police. I got stuck with gutsy ;))
[03:05] <harrowed> uga: ROFLMAO
[03:06] <uga> 1233 upgraded, 197 newly installed, 16 to remove and 3 not upgrade
[03:06] <harrowed> Let's see.. Skype call to .. your country? 24 hours time? to laugh? :D
[03:06] <Vaas> ne1 knows when (k)ubuntu install dmraid?
[03:06] <bahr> harrowed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38352/
[03:06] <uga> this will take some time...
[03:06] <Vaas> ne1 knows when (k)ubuntu install support dmraid?
[03:06] <harrowed> bahr: Ok try this.. sudo ps aux | grep X
[03:07] <uga> !wtflang |Vaas
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtflang - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:07] <uga> uhm... yeah, not even ubotu can understand that lang ;)
[03:07] <harrowed> uga: You're game not installing it from scratch :D
[03:08] <bahr> harrowed: then I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38354/
[03:08] <harrowed> bahr: Carefull as it'll kill all X sessions
[03:08] <uga> harrowed: this time I'll make a bootable gutsy CD before I reboot ;))
[03:08] <harrowed> uga: Why not make a bootable USB :D
[03:08] <harrowed> Ugh! 2nd time KDE's died again
[03:08] <uga> the ones that I made while inside gutsy (with cdrecord) turned out non-bootable
[03:09] <harrowed> uga: ROFLMAO.. bad /dev/cdrom? :D
[03:09] <Alp`> hi there
[03:09] <harrowed> or /dev/cdrom0 :D
[03:09] <harrowed> Alp`: Howdy
[03:09] <uga> harrowed: /dev/cdrw ;)
[03:10] <harrowed> uga: Why don't they use dvdrwdl :D
[03:10] <uga> harrowed: as you can see, I had quite a bit of fun trying to fix gutsy before ;)
[03:10] <Alp`> i need some help. i installed krusader because i dont like konqueror. now i want to make krusader the default filemanager. if i do this, it doesnt work. it just loads some second and disappears
[03:10] <uga> I'm not one of those that gives up after 5 mins of not booting
[03:10] <uga> up
[03:11] <harrowed> uga: So did I .. Packages dying all the time until I rebooted and told dpkg -a --configure :D
[03:11] <wers> harrowed, I purged my mysql server but http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38353/
[03:11] <harrowed> wers sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[03:12] <harrowed> eerr mysqld sorry
[03:12] <Alp`> i am able to start krusader normally, but it doesnt work if i change the default program for the mimetype inode/directory to krusader
[03:12] <wers> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[03:12] <harrowed> sudo /etc/init.d/my<tab>
[03:12] <bahr> maybe I should try just to install all updates now, and then try to install by following the wiki again and see if I'm lucky this time :-S
[03:12] <uga> harrowed: so it actually booted for you? :P
[03:13] <uga> I hope this one works without hand building asus drivers
[03:13] <harrowed> uga: Yup yup.. On a PIII800 with 512 ram :D
[03:13] <uga> LOL
[03:13] <wers> Usage: /etc/init.d/mysql start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload|status
[03:13] <uga> harrowed: what about next release of ubuntu... a spectrum zx? :P
[03:13] <harrowed> wers so /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[03:14] <harrowed> uga: No.. Quantum :D
[03:14] <uga> lol
[03:14] <uga> harrowed: I'm sure soon we'll get to see 8 and 16 core cpus
[03:14] <harrowed> uga: Or a clone of that $2500 US Supercomputer :D
[03:15] <uga> it pays mostly on multitasking though
[03:15] <harrowed> uga: Already got Mobo's supporting 64 cores.. go figure
[03:15] <lordofthepigs> hello! I have a weird ongoing problem with my laptop
[03:15] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Describe away
[03:15] <uga> harrowed: wha?
[03:15] <lordofthepigs> it's much slower when it's plugged into the wall outlet
[03:15] <uga> what mobos =)
[03:15] <harrowed> uga: IBM Server rackmounts
[03:15] <lordofthepigs> And CPU usage is much higher when plugged than when unplugged
[03:15] <wers> harrowed:  * Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.
[03:15] <uga> harrowed: lol, I thought you meant a mobile pc (laptop) =)
[03:16] <uga> harrowed: I mean for the desktop anyway, ie, "normal" intel and amd cpus
[03:16] <lordofthepigs> When I boot my Laptop unplugged, it boots about 2 to 3 times faster than when it's plugged
[03:16] <harrowed> wers: Ouch.. You purged all the tables?
[03:16] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: have you checked the settings for guidance-power-manager?
[03:16] <harrowed> uga: Pfftb
[03:16] <uga> harrowed: not kidding. If they went 4 cores this quickly, soon next year we'll see the 8 core cpus
[03:16] <uga> and 16 very soon too
[03:16] <lordofthepigs> well, when plugged, the power manager says "dynamic", when unplugged it says powersave
[03:17] <uga> harrowed: it'll be even worse than the megapix0r race in digital cameras ;)
[03:17] <uga> who got more cores?
[03:17] <lordofthepigs> Jucato: That's all I know about the settings
[03:17] <harrowed> uga: Tier'd with layers :D
[03:18] <lordofthepigs> anyway, the power manager would kick in quite late in the boot process wouldn0't it?
[03:18] <harrowed> uga: 64 core, by purchasing 8x8 core wafers
[03:18] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: right-click on the power manager icon and configure it. I think there are settings for what profile to use when plugged or unplugged
[03:18] <harrowed> Jucato: But he's talking about booting process.. Isn't that HAL?
[03:18] <lordofthepigs> It's before HAL is even loaded
[03:19] <Jucato> harrowed: he was talking about power profiles earlier
[03:19] <uga> harrowed: my wondering is if they'll manage to make real 4 core ones, first. Current intel 4 cores aren't really 4 equal cores. Rather 2x2core cpus
[03:19] <lordofthepigs> I always get a message saying "Intel RNG something something" at boot time
[03:19] <uga> not as efficient as 4 tightly linked cores
[03:19] <lordofthepigs> when my laptop boots while unplugged, the message appears after 24 seconds (consistently)
[03:19] <harrowed> cat /var/log/messages | grep Intel
[03:19] <harrowed> ooops
[03:19] <uga> lol
[03:20] <lordofthepigs> but when it boots while plugged in, It appears after 75 seconds
[03:20] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: Is that for me?
[03:20] <uga> harrowed: please enter password:
[03:20] <uga> =)
[03:20] <harrowed> uga: red-faced-aussie :D
[03:20] <uga> =))
[03:20] <EmanueleT> Anyone has an idea?
[03:20] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: It'd be too long lordofthepigs to parse the messages
[03:20] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Sorry didn't even see a message?
[03:21] <EmanueleT> harrowed: [15:02]  <EmanueleT> I've a nvidia card... I followed the howtos, but I've still this issue: the laptop hibernates fine, but when I resume it, a black screen appears and it starts blinking!
[03:21] <uga> anyway, gotta have a rest. This flu doesn't let me stay up much, and the upgrade will take at least 1h more
[03:21] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: Actually, I get 5 lines...
[03:21] <harrowed> EmanueleT: I had that too.. PSU isn't ACPI(sp) compliant
[03:22] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: go figure...
[03:22] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: nano it and search for those lines, check messages +/-5 lines
[03:22] <EmanueleT> harrowed: so, what can I do? It used to work with other distributions
[03:23] <lordofthepigs> I'll just describe another symptom.
[03:23] <lordofthepigs> I was playing OpenTTD today, with the laptop unplugged on "powersave" mode, and the CPU usage was hovering around 15%
[03:23] <harrowed> EmanueleT: The screen blinks? or the onbutton blinks?
[03:23] <pookey> hey all - what do I want to put for the source of a kubuntu debootstrap?
[03:24] <lordofthepigs> I almost ran out of power, plugged it in the wall outlet, and manually switched to powersaving mode
[03:24] <harrowed> pookey: grub-install (hd0)?
[03:24] <lordofthepigs> and suddenly the power usage was now erratically hovering at around 80%
[03:24] <pookey> harrowed: I don't think you understood the question..
[03:25] <harrowed> pookey: :D You want the first entry from the bootstrap? or
[03:25] <EmanueleT> harrowed: the screen blinks
[03:25] <harrowed> EmanueleT: That's kind of worrying me.
[03:25] <pookey> harrowed: well, basically, the graphical installer won't install to the partition I want because it insists on formatting it (I don't want to loose my old install in /gentoo and I have no where to back up to), so I want ot install manually via debootstrap
[03:25] <EmanueleT> harrowed: very quickly, and it stops only when I press Ctr+Alt+Backspace or Ctrl+Alt+F1
[03:26] <EmanueleT> harrowed: could it be because I use nvagp, but the intelagp module is still loaded?
[03:26] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Eeep.. You have to kill X to get it to stop?
[03:26] <pookey> harrowed: so I'm just looking for the command to run, which I imagine is 'debootstrap --arch i386 feisty /mnt/gentoo/  <URL>'
[03:27] <harrowed> pookey: I could only cat the CDIMage boot line sadly :(
[03:27] <lordofthepigs> I can't find the specific message I'm referring to in /var/log/messages
[03:27] <pookey> I assume if I install ubuntu, I can switch to kubuntu easily?
[03:27] <lordofthepigs> but it can't be the root of the problem anyway, can It? I mean the boot process until the appearance of this message already is 3 times slower
[03:28] <lordofthepigs> pookey: yeah, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <harrowed> pookey: Some problems with errative behavior though..
[03:28] <pookey> harrowed: meaning?
[03:29] <harrowed> pookey: http://mikesubuntu.blogspot.com/ <- Tried as was suggested but found it erratic
[03:29] <pookey> I wish the installed didn't insist on formatting /, that's so stupid :|
[03:31] <harrowed> pookey: Can't you resize the partition with Gentoo still? and then move /gentoo to a new mount location?
[03:32] <pookey> harrowed: then I'd have to resize it again after, it's a lot of hastle and time wasting - I consider this a bug in the installer
[03:32] <pookey> I'd understand if it was a warning, but it's an error that you cna't get past
[03:32] <harrowed> pookey: Sadly I would too.. :)
[03:32] <ice-phoenix> hi do someone know how to run photoshop cs3 ?
[03:33] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: Only via Wine
[03:33] <pookey> or of course, dualboot to windows, like I do ;)
[03:33] <harrowed> pookey: debootstrap --arch i386 feisty /ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu feisty
[03:34] <lordofthepigs> Would there be any reason why SystemGuard shows my CPU utilisation at around 50%, while top adds up to 5%
[03:34] <pookey> harrowed: fantastic!
[03:34] <lordofthepigs> I know this is also related to this weird power problem
 not working
[03:34] <pookey> harrowed: however... 'E: No such script: feisty'
[03:35] <lordofthepigs> it's really strange, whatever power settings I chose when I run my laptop unplugged, everything is fine
[03:35] <harrowed> pookey: crap.. one sec let me find a try from here :: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[03:35] <lordofthepigs> but whatever power setting I chose when it's plugged, and I get weird CPU usage reading
[03:36] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: You can't get Wine to run Photoshop CS3?
[03:36] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Could it be faulty readin? What does TOP usage say?
[03:36] <lordofthepigs> top says about 2%
[03:36] <lordofthepigs> but the CPU is really getting that hot
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> I mean it's really getting as hot as if it was running at 50% load
[03:37] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: I'd check some of the packages.. You run a cleanup recently?
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> Oh, no wait a sec
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> top says that
[03:38] <pookey> harrowed: probably easier if  I find an external HDD from somewhere, and just backup my system - I tihnk I'll report a bug about this thoug
 yes, java problem cant istall i found for dreamweaversc3 a tutorial but and its forkink for DRcs3 but not for PScs3
[03:38] <lordofthepigs> geez, How do I copy text from top...
[03:38] <lordofthepigs> ?
[03:38] <gnomefreak> lordofthepigs: you cant
[03:39] <gnomefreak> it jumps around too much
[03:39] <uga> harrowed: no, neither wine nor the crossover will run new versions of photoshop
[03:39] <lordofthepigs> ok
[03:39] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: LOL .. top > output.txt | killall -9 top
[03:39] <uga> somebody should ban adobe in the linux world
[03:39] <ice-phoenix> :)
[03:39] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: Run gimp! The gimp suit owns :D
[03:39] <gnomefreak> uga: please keep it support realated
[03:40] <uga> gnomefreak: sorry, sure. I was just trying to avoid somebody from wasting the time with wine and photoshop... no idea who asked
[03:40] <harrowed> ooops lordofthepigs don't run that.. do a top > output.txt && killall -9 top
[03:40] <harrowed> uga: ice-phoenix asked
 idont know to how to use it i know shortcuts in PS but not in Gimp
[03:41] <uga> ice-phoenix: your best options are krita/digikam-showfoto/bibble
[03:41] <lordofthepigs> okay, top does says that on the summary line
[03:41] <lordofthepigs> Cpu(s): 40.0%us,  5.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 55.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[03:41] <uga> gimp is limited to 8 bi tprocessing
[03:41] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: Run the alterations of gimp to use PS shortcuts .. there's a guide with a script preconfigured
[03:41] <lordofthepigs> but the list of processes really adds up to 2-3%
[03:42] <ice-phoenix> <harrowed > tnx
[03:42] <lordofthepigs> when unplugged, top return that
[03:42] <lordofthepigs> Cpu(s):  1.0%us,  1.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 97.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[03:42] <harrowed> gnomefreak: Can you think of any reason why a laptop would boot faster without being plugged into wall than with?
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> and the list of processes add up to exactly 2.7%
[03:43] <uga> harrowed: I had that with my old lappie
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> which is correct
[03:43] <uga> nto sure why, but it'd run everything slower when unplugged
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> uga: yeah that's my current problem
[03:43] <uga> harrowed: maybe it went on some stepping mode. It was a k6-2
[03:43] <gnomefreak> harrowed: other than your electricity restricting it no
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> Mine is a Pentium M
[03:43] <uga> lordofthepigs: it may be related to acpi if it's supported
[03:44] <harrowed> gnomefreak: Hmm.. Yeah that's lordofthepigs' problem atm :(
[03:44] <harrowed> uga: I already suggested that :(
[03:44] <uga> lordofthepigs: power saving
[03:44] <gnomefreak> only thing i can think of
[03:44] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: had hibernation problems with monitor with Ubuntu too
[03:44] <lordofthepigs> uga: did you look at the strange numbers 'top' returns
[03:44] <gnomefreak> power saving would slow down even without it plugged in
[03:44] <uga> lordofthepigs: wow, completely iddle?
[03:44] <uga> idle
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> yeah
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> so it's pretty bad when plugged in
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> but normal when unplugged
[03:45] <harrowed> BRB.. KDE's died and still not returning
[03:45] <uga> the other way around, you mean?
[03:45] <harrowed> Killing X
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> uga: no, this way
[03:45] <uga> lordofthepigs: so it goes slow when plugged?
[03:45] <uga> that's really strange
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> yeah
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> I think so too...
[03:46] <uga> I'd suggest digging google for the laptop model or its motherboard, or disabling acpi
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> I dual boot windows, and windows has no problem with that
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> so I don't think that would be the problem
[03:46] <uga> I believe you can do that from the grub line. Something like acpi=off
[03:46] <uga> if that works, then you know it's acpi related
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> hmm... what does acpi do exactly?
[03:47] <uga> lordofthepigs: Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[03:47] <uga> it controls suspending, restarting, cpu stepping...
[03:47] <uga> all power related stuff
[03:47] <lordofthepigs> uga: do you have any idea where the used CPU% that is unaccounted for by 'top's process list can be spent?
[03:48] <lordofthepigs> Oh, and suspending doesn't work either
[03:48] <uga> no, not really. Idle means it's just nop'ing possibly
[03:48] <lordofthepigs> well... It suspends correctly
[03:48] <lordofthepigs> but it never revives
[03:48] <harrowed> it leaves a nasty corpse? ewww
[03:49] <uga> lordofthepigs: when it goes bad, you could try cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling
[03:49] <uga> that will tell you if acpi or something has put the cpu into slower mode
[03:49] <uga> there's tons of information you can get under /proc/acpi, btw
[03:49] <harrowed> I'd be reinstalling ACPI services..
[03:50] <cidco> Anyone know why when i try to stream video over wireless it wants to copy the file first then start playing? it seems to be something new.
[03:50] <uga> harrowed: it may be just a broken implementation of acpi in the laptop
[03:50] <uga> it used to be common in the past
[03:50] <uga> thanks to the broken implementation of w98
[03:50] <harrowed> cidco: Try streaming with VLC?
[03:50] <feierfox> so
[03:50] <harrowed> wb feierfox!
[03:50] <feierfox> how to check, that i'm "gutsy"?
[03:50] <cidco> harrowed: yes i right click on the file and open with vlc
[03:51] <harrowed> feierfox: LOL.. You too! Muhahaha
[03:51] <cidco> it still begins to copy
[03:51] <feierfox> :D
[03:51] <lordofthepigs_> uga: My laptop is an Asus, about 2 years old
[03:51] <lordofthepigs_> does Asus have any bad reputation for that kind of stuff?
[03:51] <feierfox> i want a proof, how to check?
[03:51] <uga> feierfox: if you type "uname -a" it'll tell you "I'm broken" ;)
[03:51] <uga> that way you'll know it's gutsy ;))
[03:51] <harrowed> cidco: It shouldn't send.. Which build of vlc? vlcwx? or vlc_something else
[03:51] <feierfox> and for serious?
[03:51] <uga> lol, no, obviously not
[03:52] <harrowed> feierfox: LOL... He's installing atm :D
[03:52] <uga> I'll never admit that in court ;)
[03:52] <cidco> harrowed: vlc 0.8.6c
[03:52] <harrowed> 'Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sat Sep 22 18:14:28 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux'! All Hail gorgeous Gutsy!
[03:53] <cidco> and the strange thing is i swear i have done this before, i do it all the time from my xp laptop
[03:53] <harrowed> cidco: ps ux | grep vlc
[03:53] <lordofthepigs_> uga: one last question: disabling ACPI will definitely forbid me from using the CPU steppings?
[03:54] <harrowed> pci=noacpi in your grub boot will find out
[03:54] <lordofthepigs_> so I won't be able to chose between powersave and performance modes?
[03:54] <feierfox> uname -a shows me only my kernel
[03:54] <cidco> harrowed:  cidco    11238  0.9  1.5<PHONE_NUMBER>2 ?        Sl   08:51   0:01 wxvlc
[03:54] <harrowed> cidco: wxvlc SHOULD stream without echo'ing (FTP'ing the file)
[03:54] <harrowed> cidco: No alterations to the VLC stream configuration?
[03:55] <cidco> nope
[03:55] <cidco> just installed it 5 min ago
[03:55] <EmanueleT> harrowed: sorry, my connection stopped working, did you answer me?
[03:55] <cidco> and this laptop was just installed and updated lastnight
[03:55] <feierfox> hmm, how to change my resolution to 1204x..?
[03:55] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Sounds like your problem's same as lordofthepigs .. :(  bad ACPI!
[03:55] <lordofthepigs_> harrowed: Shall I append this at the end of the "kernel: " line?
[03:56] <harrowed> feierfox: Left ALT Keybpad + or is it ctrl can't recall
[03:56] <uga> lordofthepigs_: I think so, yes
[03:56] <uga> I dont' think there's another way. Maybe APM does
[03:56] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: I honestly can't recall :( Woudln't work for me during instalation of Feisty
[03:56] <EmanueleT> harrowed: but... it used to work with openSUSE and Gentoo!
[03:56] <uga> but I don't think many people use APM anymore
[03:56] <lordofthepigs_> How come windows has no problem with at all with my laptop?
[03:56] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Reinstall ACPI?
[03:57] <EmanueleT> harrowed: how?
[03:57] <uga> lordofthepigs_: because all manufacturers make sure the laptop works fine on windows, or they provide drivers so that it does
[03:57] <harrowed> lordofthepigs_: Coz the machine's made with windows xp in mind to their specs
[03:57] <lordofthepigs_> right, that makes sense
[03:57] <EmanueleT> harrowed: you mean the Hardware ACPI firmware, or the ACPI software?
[03:57] <harrowed> EmanueleT: The service
[03:57] <uga> lordofthepigs_: initially all pc makers made a buggy implementation of acpi. You know why? funny, because somebody in Microsoft introduced a bug in win98's acpi code
[03:57] <harrowed> EmanueleT: You should reinstall the package.. Make sure it's not been dmg'd
[03:58] <uga> lordofthepigs_: so that all manufacturers "fixed" their acpi in the boards, so that it worked for windows 98
[03:58] <uga> when acpi was meant to be a specced thing by intel
[03:58] <bottiger> Suddenly my two Kubuntu-boxes fails to connect to the internet. However, it works fine from windows. How do you start debugging something like this?
[03:58] <EmanueleT> harrowed: sorry... dmg?
[03:59] <Skiff> SkiffX
[03:59] <harrowed> feierfox: If it's not configured previously then you may have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the Display properly
[03:59] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Damaged
[03:59] <Lunar_Lamp> What file must I edit to load a module on boot?
[03:59] <harrowed> bottiger: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 :D
[03:59] <uga> Lunar_Lamp: /etc/modules
[03:59] <harrowed> err sudo'ing of course
[04:00] <Lunar_Lamp> uga: lol, oops, completely missed that :-( I thought that's what it was, but browsing for it quickly and I missed the file.
[04:00] <bottiger> harrowed: yes?
[04:00] <harrowed> bottiger: You checked ipconfig and that DHCP isn't failing etc?
[04:01] <harrowed> Eeep
[04:01] <uga> harrowed: you shouldn't use windows that much. ifconfig ;)
[04:01] <bottiger> harrowed: you mean ifconfig?
[04:01] <bottiger> harrowed: then yes - I don't get an IP
[04:01] <uga> bottiger: if you have installed something like ethereal/wireshark, it may help debugging
[04:01] <uga> have you ever used it?
[04:01] <harrowed> bottiger: Router not replying?  And this is new problem?
[04:01] <uga> you could check if it's actually sending anything out
[04:02] <uga> also try running dhclient manuallly and see what it puts to terminal
[04:02] <bottiger> uga: I don't have that
[04:02] <bottiger> harrowed: It started yesterday
[04:02] <bottiger> and as I said - I goes for both my machines
[04:03] <uga> uh.. is the network card actually found?
[04:03] <bottiger> uga: yup
[04:03] <runlevelten> First try an /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:03] <Karti> Just a quick one. What command would I use to mount my mp3 player?
[04:03] <bottiger> runlevelten: done that
[04:03] <runlevelten> :P
[04:03] <lordofthepigs_> What's a DSDT?
[04:03] <runlevelten> Karti: is it an mp3 player you can mount? ie: what one is it?
[04:04] <uga> lordofthepigs_: what context. Acpi?
[04:04] <lordofthepigs_> Now that it seems that ACPI is likely to be the root of the problem, I google a little bit, and I found a few pages saying that ASUS laptops had buggy DSDT
[04:04] <harrowed> Karti: lsusb and finding out if it's detected .. It SHOULD be FAT so you could mount -tvfat /dev/XXXXX /mnt/mp3p
[04:04] <Karti> its a warfedale fm6687
[04:04] <runlevelten> bottiger - and is it a complete loss of connection, a failure to get out of the lan, or just a failure to resolve any hostname (ie ip only)
[04:04] <uga> lordofthepigs_: I believe that's the firmware loaded into the motherboard for implementing acpi
[04:04] <uga> or something like that
[04:05] <bottiger> runlevelten: I'm not sure. how do I find out?
[04:05] <uga> lordofthepigs_: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php
[04:05] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: So check you have latest BIOS?
[04:05] <uga> "what's a dsdt?" there
[04:05] <runlevelten> try pinging the router, then try pinging one of google's IPs, then try pinging google.
[04:05] <runlevelten> which steps fail.
[04:05] <runlevelten> s/\./\?/
[04:05] <bottiger> runlevelten: basicly all I know is: eth0 shows up, restarting it doesn't help. I don't get an IP and therefor google.com doesn't work :)
[04:06] <lordofthepigs_> harrowed: I'm not sure, I never ever flashed it
[04:06] <uga> bottiger: it sounds like a broken dhclient
[04:06] <uga> bottiger: you could try starting up with a liveCD, mount the partitions on /mnt, chroot /mnt, and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:06] <martijn81> bottiger: tried sudo dhclient?
[04:07] <runlevelten> How do you know you don't get an IP?
[04:07] <feierfox> so.. i did a "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[04:07] <uga> ifconfig
[04:07] <feierfox> and now a
[04:07] <feierfox> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:07] <feierfox> i hope now i upgrade not twice :/
[04:07] <uga> feierfox: sudo apt-get update
[04:07] <uga> not upgrade
[04:07] <uga> for updating the list
[04:07] <bottiger> martijn81: now I have - what should I expect?
[04:07] <uga> and dist-upgrade for updating all packs
[04:07] <harrowed> feierfox: LOL
[04:08] <runlevelten> and what do you get for the inet addr bottiger?
[04:08] <feierfox> is he doing it twice now ? :(
[04:08] <martijn81> bottiger: it should probe DHCP on your router/gateway
[04:08] <uga> feierfox: upgrading will only update different packs
[04:08] <harrowed> feierfox: Edit sources list and change them all to gutsy, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I think it is
[04:08] <uga> it won't update twice the same thing
[04:09] <feierfox> hmm, if he dont upgrade twice, what is he doing the next 1:50 hour? :/
[04:09] <bottiger> martijn81: It returns a lot of: "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval X"
[04:09] <bottiger> ...where x is 4,8,14 or some random number
[04:10] <bottiger> then: "No DHCPOFFERS recieved"
[04:10] <harrowed> Wired Ethernet? or wireless?
[04:10] <martijn81> bottiger: then your router is dead or your network is not configured properly
[04:10] <bottiger> harrowed: wired
[04:11] <harrowed> martijn81: But he can run Winshame fine
[04:11] <martijn81> that IS wierd
[04:11] <martijn81> *weird
[04:11] <bottiger> martijn81: true - I'm chatting from windows
[04:11] <bottiger> unplugging my windowscomputer doesn't help
[04:11] <harrowed> s/windows/winshame!/
[04:11] <bottiger> plugging my linux directly into the modem gives the smae result
[04:11] <lordofthepigs> thank you harrowed, uga, I'm going to try to update my bios
[04:11] <harrowed> bottiger: Maybe the router wont release them :D
[04:12] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Anytime :)
[04:12] <runlevelten> try restarting the router then.
[04:12] <harrowed> bottiger: Turn them all off and turn router off for 10 seconds
[04:12] <runlevelten> assuming it's some black box type affair you're using.
[04:12] <harrowed> then switch back to linux
[04:12] <lordofthepigs> I just hope nothing goes wrong...
[04:12] <lordofthepigs> I don't have a partiularily good experience with flashing bioses...
[04:12] <bottiger> okey - I'll try turning it off
[04:13] <uga> lordofthepigs: ugh, that's scary
[04:13] <uga> (bios upgrading)
[04:13] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: just use a freedos bootdisk :)
[04:13] <bottiger> be back in 2 minutes then :)
[04:13] <wesley> hello hoe do you encode in ffmpeg a mpeg 2 avi
[04:13] <harrowed> wesley: wb :)
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: You mean a floppy?
[04:14] <harrowed> wesley: Try doom9.org website
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> bah
[04:14] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: You can make them now to boot from CD/USB :)
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> bah... anyway, I'm off to try
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> bye
[04:14] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Cyz
[04:16] <uga> wesley: man ffmpeg is nicely written
[04:16] <bottiger> nope
[04:16] <uga> use the docs!
[04:16] <bottiger> no luck
[04:20] <harrowed> Anyway... going ot crash ^_^ Nigh tall!
[04:20] <uga> if you teach somebody to cook and that guy can feed/teach cooking others, it's better than cooking yourself for 2000 people
[04:20] <harrowed> Have fun with Gutsy uga :D
[04:20] <uga> harrowed: thanks. I hope so ;)
[04:20] <uga> I'll let you know tomorrow........ if I'm online ;)
[04:21] <harrowed> uga: ROFLMAO.. Not that bad :D
[04:21] <harrowed> Pain to update though initially!
[04:21] <harrowed> Easier to do it from Konsole
[04:21] <llutz> uga: problem today is, that most of the noobs are analphabetic fastfood-eaters :(
[04:21] <uga> well, at least this time the kernel seems to have found the network ;)
[04:21] <uga> llutz: lol
[04:21] <harrowed> Night!
[04:21] <harrowed> analphabetic.. got to remember that one :D
[04:22] <llutz> ups, "illiterate"
[04:23] <wesley> i dont get it from ffmpeg doc
[04:23] <uga> wesley: there's examples at the end of the man page
[04:24] <uga> wesley: for example... ffmpeg -i mydivx.avi hugefile.yuv will convert from avi format to yuv
[04:24] <uga> it's not that hard ;)
[04:24] <bahr> I'm looking for an all-use editor, for programming, LaTeX editing, and file editing. I've been recommended emacs and vi, but they are both hard to learn. Can someone recommend which one is best for my use, so that I don't need to waste my time trying out both?
[04:25] <uga> bahr: kate
[04:25] <wesley> yes but i need to convert a mpeg to avi
[04:25] <llutz> bahr: vim, use vim-tutorial to learn basics. it's not that hard.
[04:26] <uga> bahr: for latex alone though, it'll help better if you use something like Kile
[04:26] <uga> it's a great editor
[04:26] <uga> based on kate part, if I'm not wrong
[04:26] <uga> wesley: it's same thing
[04:27] <wesley> okee
[04:27] <uga> input file, output file
[04:27] <uga> ffmpeg is clever and will figure out what you want ;)
[04:27] <bahr> ok well it's not just for LaTeX but also for programming use and simple file editing use I need one
[04:27] <bahr> but I'll take a look at it thanks :)
[04:29] <uga> bahr: for that purpose, use kate. I just meant kile will help you more for latex than normal editor
[04:29] <uga> s
[04:30] <bahr> ah ok
[04:30] <uga> bahr: http://kile.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/snap_autocom
[04:30] <uga> autocompletion of latex sequences, for example
[04:30] <uga> you could also go lyx, but I never liked the solution much. Maybe it has improved
[04:31] <abominius> looks like my bamboo/wacom tablet does not load the module when plugged, i have read all documentation for this, but none resolve my p roblem, any suggestions?
[04:31] <uga> abominius: uhm... you mean it loads fine when unplugged but not otherwise?
[04:32] <uga> if so, you might have to report a bug to the module maintainer
[04:32] <abominius> no, i mean that doesn't load when plugged
[04:32] <uga> but... does it load when unplugged?
[04:32] <abominius> and if i load the module manually, it doesn't recognize the device
[04:32] <abominius> nope
[04:32] <abominius> uga: no
[04:33] <uga> sounds like an unsupported device / broken module, then
[04:33] <wesley> it works and i did found the fault the file name was to long it was Abunai 2007
[04:33] <abominius> in my gentoo works fine with linux_wacom software
[04:33] <abominius> so is supported
[04:33] <uga> what kernel?
[04:33] <uga> gentoo is always adding edge kernels
[04:33] <abominius> 2.6.20 too
[04:34] <Karti> harrowed: It looks like lsusb finds it, Bus 002 Device 008: ID 066f:8000 SigmaTel, Inc.- When I try to mount it as you said onto a folder it says that the device does not exist, do you have any other ideas?
[04:34] <abominius> karthi: DMESG | GREP USB
[04:35] <uga> abominius: you may just need a kernel upgrade, I guess
[04:35] <abominius> sorrty 54 caps
[04:35] <abominius> uga, ok, how i do if is already up-to-date 4 adept?
[04:35] <uga> abominius: what's uname -a?
[04:35] <uga> iirc feisty is 2.6.19
[04:35] <abominius> Linux aboserver 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:36] <uga> uhm... weird
[04:36] <abominius> y
[04:36] <uga> 2.6.20... and gentoo does same
[04:36] <aguitel> anyone have problem with fan in laptos? my fan never stops
[04:36] <uga> maybe they have patched the driver?
[04:36] <Karti> runlevelten: Opps that was for you as harrowed has gone ;)
[04:36] <abominius> dunno
[04:36] <uga> abominius: you could try what I just did. Get into the gutsy mirrors, and install 2.6.22 debs
[04:36] <abominius> anyone get work wacom tablet
[04:36] <abominius> ?
[04:37] <uga> abominius: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/
[04:37] <uga> but I cannot assure such fix will exist
[04:38] <abominius> i'm starting to hate kubuntu.....
[04:38] <uga> abominius: heh. Be patient. Even gentoo had serious bugs ;)
[04:38] <uga> abominius: what does dmesg say when you insmod wacom?
[04:38] <uga> no device found?
[04:38] <abominius> y, but can resolve in a unix way, whit kubuntu no
[04:39] <abominius> abominius@aboserver:~$ sudo modprobe wacom
[04:39] <abominius> Password:
[04:39] <abominius> FATAL: Error inserting wacom (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/input/wacom.ko): Invalid module format
[04:39] <uga> abominius: you can always build your own custom kernel, like I did with gentoo ;)
[04:39] <uga> oh, ... oh... that module is broken
[04:39] <hydrogen> are you using "in a unix way" to refer to "in a way that requires lots of time and energy with little hope and rewards"
[04:39] <hydrogen> no... its not broken
[04:39] <hydrogen> it was compiled for a different version of the kernel
[04:39] <abominius> hydrogen: yes sure
[04:39] <hydrogen> than you are using
[04:40] <hydrogen> see dmesg to get more information
[04:40] <uga> hydrogen: why doesn't it spit out a message saying invalid kernel version then? iirc that's the usual message
[04:40] <abominius> i should try to reinstall?
[04:40] <ubuntu> can someone help me with creating a /home partition during the kubuntu install ?
[04:40] <hydrogen> uga: it usually says that in dmesg
[04:40] <uga> hydrogen: that's the dmesg output, he pasted
[04:40] <ubuntu> I've created a / partition and a swap but it wont let me create a /home partition
[04:40] <delagrandy> when i open kinfocenter and select opengl
[04:40] <hydrogen> no, thats the stderr message
[04:40] <delagrandy> the software crashes why
[04:41] <abominius> trying to reinstall wacom
[04:41] <delagrandy> when i open kinfocenter and select opengl second time the software crashes why
[04:41] <uga> hydrogen: oh heh, I thought it was dmesg, since I had asked before =)
[04:41] <delagrandy> when i open kinfocenter and select opengl second time the software crashes why
[04:41] <Karti> abominius: My dmesg came back , thanks, I'm just a bit of a numpty as it should be sdb not sda2 etc :)
[04:41] <abominius> Karti: dmesg is your bible, remember :D
[04:42] <uga> I hate those that take kernels as if they were a religion ;)
[04:42] <abominius> is not a religon?
[04:42] <Karti> abominius: It was very interesting.....all I need to look for now is the right filesystem and commands......
[04:42] <uga> they're just pieces of broken software ;)
[04:42] <abominius> OH MY HOLY KERNEL
[04:42] <abominius> :D
[04:43] <ubuntu> This is what I'm doing: New Partition >  Logical > leave the space to be used as it is cause I want to use all of it > I choose Begining > Ext3 > Mount Point /home... And it tells me "Can't have the end before the start!"... what does this even mean ? It is very unhelpful.
[04:45] <ubuntu> please
[04:45] <ubuntu> I really need to get this done tonigth
[04:45] <runlevelten> Karti: do you know if it's USB mass storage or mtp or whatever
[04:45] <runlevelten> ?
[04:45] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[04:46] <ubuntu> !partitioning
[04:46] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:46] <runlevelten> and does amarok detect it?
[04:46] <zakoo> hi all
[04:47] <Karti> runlevelten: It is a mp3 player. Amarok does not pick it up but asks for a mount point. The system sees it now but I am trying to mount it with a file system
[04:47] <Karti> and as its designed for Windows I would assume that its 32bit
[04:47] <runlevelten> 32 bit?
[04:47] <runlevelten> Right. If it's, say, an mtp device you don't want to try and mount it.
[04:48] <runlevelten> See what I mean?
[04:48] <Karti> 32 bit filesystem
[04:48] <Karti> FAT32
[04:49] <runlevelten> So you know it's USB Mass Storage then?
[04:50] <ubuntu> Kubuntu wont let me create a /home partition during the install can ANYONE help ?
[04:50] <uga> Fetched 1811MB in 1h43m27s (292kB/s)
[04:50] <uga> now installing... =)
[04:50] <Karti> runlevelten: it is a sigmatel mscn usb device that can act as a storage device as well
[04:50] <uga> ubuntu: you just create a partition, and set mount point at /home
[04:50] <uga> you can do that
[04:50] <uga> select manual partitioning
[04:50] <ubuntu> I have
[04:51] <uga> uhm, then it should have created it
[04:51] <TheKing> how do you install mozilla firefox
[04:51] <ubuntu> well it wont
[04:51] <skal> I think you have to create the root partition / first
[04:51] <runlevelten> That would be a no then. Let me hunt down the specs for you. :)
[04:51] <ubuntu> Already created root and swap
[04:51] <Karti> runlevelten: It is here - http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?jspStoreDir=argos&catalogId=1500000701&params=adref%3DSound+and+vision-%3EMP3+and+MP4+players-%3EMP3+players+with+portable+solid+state&productId=1500037893&referredURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.argos.co.uk%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FProductDisplay%3FstoreId%3D10001%26catalogId%3D1500000701%26productId%3D15000
[04:51] <Karti> Sorry about that....big link!
[04:52] <uga> ubuntu: I created it as a primary partition, but I don't think it should be a problem otherwise either
[04:52] <ubuntu> I shouldn't be a problem no, but it is
[04:53] <skal> do you have the exact error msg ?
[04:53] <ubuntu> All I keep getting is error, "Can't have the end before the start!"
[04:53] <ubuntu> Which is totally unhelpful
[04:53] <skal> maybe you have the first and last cylinders wrong ?
[04:54] <runlevelten> Karti: Nothing useful there, except some mention of DRM, which suggests it's probably an MTP device
[04:54] <runlevelten> and not a usb mass storage one.
[04:54] <ubuntu> This is the manual partitioning utility during the install
[04:54] <runlevelten> Try adding an mtp device in amarok :)
[04:54] <runlevelten> while I google for specifics :)
[04:56] <ubuntu> I shouldn't have to do anything more than click on the free space thats available and create my /home partition but it simply wont let me... this is annoying and inexplicable to me as I did this the other day at work and it was fine... now late at night, at home, after a Windows install effed me around for two hours, this decides its not going to work...
[04:56] <uga|away> heh, apt restarted some services while gutsy'ing ... =)
[04:56] <runlevelten> Karti: I wonder - on windows, does this device require that you install "windows media player"?
[04:56] <Karti> runlevelten: When its on windows it picks it up as a USB drive and I can view its folders etc
[04:57] <delagrandy> is kubuntu for 64 bit processors
[04:57] <runlevelten> and you have wmp installed already, I take it.
[04:57] <uga> delagrandy: there is a 64 bit version, but even the 32 bit version can run on 64 bit processors
[04:58] <ubuntu> I click on the free space, I click on "New Partition", I make it primary, the size should be just fine as it is, I check "Begining" for the "location for the new partition", Use as Ext3, Mount point /home.
[04:58] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[04:59] <ubuntu> doesnt work
[04:59] <uga> ubuntu: the only difference is that I made it reiserfs
[04:59] <uga> else looks same as I did
[04:59] <runlevelten> I would install libmtp and mtptools
[04:59] <Karti> runlevelten: only as a default in the Windows install.
[05:00] <runlevelten> then we don't know either way. mtp support per bare minimum will come with that.
[05:00] <Karti> Tried to add it as a mtp but to no avail. The others ask for a mount point
[05:00] <runlevelten> Yeah, we need to do something else first
[05:00] <runlevelten> You have it plugged in?
[05:00] <Karti> At the moment I would be happy if it mounted so I could transfer mp3 across :)
[05:00] <runlevelten> If you already do, then make sure you have mtptools and libmtp installed
[05:01] <runlevelten> then do an mtp-detect
[05:01] <ubuntu> I don't have all night for this
[05:01] <runlevelten> You will probably get info about the device, and you may even see the device's lights/display respond to the query.
[05:01] <ubuntu> And I'm supposed to do another one in the morning
[05:01] <uga> ubuntu: is that feisty?
[05:01] <uga> or gutsy
[05:01] <ubuntu> feisty
[05:01] <uga> uhm...
[05:02] <runlevelten> If it's MTP, you will not be able to use it through mount.
[05:02] <runlevelten> If it supports DRM 9, then it is at least partially mtp.
[05:02] <uga> ubuntu: could I suggest one thing... boot with the live CD, create the partitions with fdisk, and runt he installer
[05:02] <uga> instead of leaving the gui do the partitions
[05:02] <runlevelten> I don't know how many other ways I can say that.
[05:02] <uga> at least fdisk would be more verbose
[05:03] <Karti> runlevelten: can't find mtptools or libmtp :(
[05:03] <Karti> runlevelten: can see a libmtp5
[05:03] <runlevelten> yeah, get libmtp5 and libmtp-dev
[05:04] <soc_> hi
[05:04] <soc_> if i download a package source with aptitude source
[05:05] <soc_> is there a fast way to generate the package exactly as was in the repos?
[05:05] <soc_> so to speak, without any complicated build enviroments?
[05:05] <uga> soc_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[05:05] <soc_> i just want to change something in the source and compile it again
[05:06] <soc_> i want to add "hide menubar" again, btw
[05:06] <gnomefreak> !compiling
[05:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> soc_: see the link above
[05:07] <LjL> soc_, "sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename>" will get you everything that's needed to compile the package, aside from build-essential, which you should install yourself before starting
[05:07] <runlevelten> Karti: It is likely that it won't immediately work with amarok.
[05:07] <runlevelten> Karti: It's mtp-detect you want to try first.
[05:07] <Karti> runlevelten: Many thanks for the help, most appreciated - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38361/ - this is teh result of a dmesg after the libmtg5 and a mtp-detect
[05:07] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[05:07] <gnomefreak> soc_: and when you run ./configure use the option, or start with ./configure --help and see what the exact text is to add it
[05:08] <Karti> I would be happy that it could just accept folders and mp3s
[05:08] <runlevelten> what's the outpur of mtp-detect karti?
[05:08] <soc_> gnomefreak: i have to compile it from patched sources, because the developers removed the feature ...
[05:08] <Karti> No MTP devices.
[05:08] <Karti> No devices.
[05:09] <runlevelten> that's from running it the first time or the second?
[05:09] <LjL> gnomefreak, if he's from source packages, let him just use dpkg -b
[05:09] <Karti> runlevelten: and its plugged in and charging
[05:09] <gnomefreak> LjL: he wanted to add an option
[05:09] <gnomefreak> that we dont ship
[05:09] <runlevelten> I'm having great difficulty finding any information on this player. karti :(
[05:10] <LjL> gnomefreak: uhm, still better to edit the relevant file i think than to run configure manually, no?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> LjL: -b builds binaries of whatever we ship
[05:10] <gnomefreak> he cant change the source that way afaik unless theres an option to run with -b
[05:11] <Karti> No problems, I am trying to get it to mount using this - sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/mp3Player -  but it fails on the file system - any ideas?
[05:11] <runlevelten> I wouldn't try mounting it randomly unless you want to bork it.
[05:11] <LjL> gnomefreak: uhm? but -b takes a directory. you can change what's in the directory, including, i'd assume, the files that contain the 'configure' line
[05:12] <gnomefreak> LjL: isnt that just where to install it? like apt-get source -b=/usr/lib/bleh
[05:12] <Karti> runlevelten: lol, true!
[05:12] <runlevelten> It might just want a change in the source or udev rules - lots of  new devices do
[05:12] <gnomefreak> or whatever the syntax is
[05:12] <runlevelten> -new
[05:12] <runlevelten> trouble is, I don't have one, and I can't find info on it. Grr.
[05:12] <gnomefreak> i didnt think you can modify source using apt-get -b
[05:13] <Karti> Many thanks for the help anyway
[05:13] <LjL> gnomefreak: no, i'm talking about the '-b' option of dpkg. if you use "apt-get source -b" then no, you cannot modify anything. but if you use just "apt-get source", then modify, then "dpkg -b", then you can
[05:13] <gnomefreak> right
[05:13] <runlevelten> Karti: I expect that it just needs an addition to your libmtp rules and will work fine.
[05:14] <runlevelten> *suspect.
[05:14] <Karti> Its something I can look into later. Looks like its the Rugby with Scots v All Blacks ;)
[05:15] <runlevelten> Karti: try this, just in case it gets picked up by one of theses: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:MTP
[05:15] <Karti> runlevelten: Once again many thanks for the help.....
[05:15] <runlevelten> I have several players, including creative zens and stuff that do, once that rules file has been added for "DRM9" compliant devices.
[05:16] <runlevelten> nothing to do with drm really, except that drm-compliance tends to imply mtp for anything that isn't an ipod, and the "storage device" front end on windows for that is basically...
[05:16] <runlevelten> ...basically faked up :)
[05:16] <Paradigm_Shift> good morning/afternoon/evening
[05:16] <runlevelten> Karti: np, hope you get it sorted
[05:16] <Paradigm_Shift> I have a Q for which I cannot find an answer
[05:17] <Paradigm_Shift> I archive a lot of data stored in folders on DVD
[05:17] <Paradigm_Shift> so I always try to store as much info per DVD as possible
[05:17] <Karti> runlevelten: Cheers, will look into it :)
[05:18] <deviance> Paradigm_Shift: Named after the LTE song by any chance?
[05:18] <Paradigm_Shift> ans since I use folders, I need to grab folders efficiently
[05:18] <Paradigm_Shift> is there any way to get Konqueror to display the size of a folder's contents (as opposed to a 4k file size of the folder file)???
[05:18] <Paradigm_Shift> deviance, sorry, no
[05:19] <deviance> Okay :P
[05:19] <abominius> hi again
[05:19] <Paradigm_Shift> I really want to figure out how Konqueror can display that a folder contains 900MB worth of data
[05:20] <abominius> during apt-get install wacom-linux-source an error has occured:
[05:20] <abominius> [: 79: 13262: unexpected operator
[05:20] <abominius> Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version.
[05:20] <abominius> Building wacom modules for Linux _CODE 13262 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error
[05:20] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, you mean in the "Detailed" view? that would make things very, very slow. actual size must be computed by scanning each file
[05:20] <skal> Paradigm_Shift: it would require for konqueror to scan *recursively* all the directories content, which would be far too slow
[05:21] <gnomefreak> abominius: make sure you have kernel-headers package for the exact kernel you are running you might have it for say 386 instead of -generic
[05:21] <Paradigm_Shift> yes, but it would make my life much easier
[05:21] <skal> sure :)
[05:22] <abominius> gnomefreak: my kernel is -generic
[05:22] <Paradigm_Shift> skal and LjL, if there was a way to turn the feature on and off then the downside can be avoided or the benefits achieved
[05:22] <gnomefreak> abominius: now install the kernel-header files for it
[05:22] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, use "du | sort -n" to list folders by size, or use konqueror's "file size" view mode
[05:22] <gnomefreak> abominius: make sure you are booted to -generic
[05:23] <abominius> gnomefreak: on it
[05:23] <gnomefreak> abominius: sort of weird but for some reason you might also have 386 in there (i found that as odd atleast)
[05:23] <gnomefreak> abominius: uname -a
[05:23] <gnomefreak> what does that give you
[05:23] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: or use kdirstat - forgot
[05:23] <abominius> root@aboserver:/usr/src# uname -a
[05:23] <abominius> Linux aboserver 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:24] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, thanks for the suggestions, but I that does not get me where I want to be. I would like to sort folders by content size and then I can select a number of folders that will be dragged and dropped to k3b for burning
[05:24] <kaminix|benkyou> What's required from Apache2 to be able to open a symlink?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> abominius: install linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[05:25] <abominius> gnomefreak: already installed
[05:25] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, unfortunately kdirstat doesn't allow to drag&drop, but you *can* copy... one folder at a time, unfortunately
[05:25] <gnomefreak> abominius: than it might not be compatitble for some odd reason
[05:26] <abominius> i'm continuing to hate kubuntu instead
[05:26] <abominius> >:
[05:26] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, yes. That is why I am trying to figure out how to get Konqueror (or another gui file manager) to display the actual content size for a folder in a list
[05:26] <gnomefreak> abominius: thats not a kubuntu issue you have its ubuntu issue
[05:26] <abominius> gnomefreak: are u masochist?
[05:26] <gnomefreak> abominius: nope
[05:27] <Paradigm_Shift> when I was using Windows there were programs that fit the bill. I am trying to find a linux equivalent that let's me sort and then drag and drop a multiple selection
[05:27] <gnomefreak> matter of fact i have kubuntu installed on all pcs except one
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Paradigm_Shift: doesnt ls have an option (i think nautilus does as well)
[05:28] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, so I am using explorerXP under wine to sort and select, and then using Konqueror to "re-select" and drop into k3b
[05:28] <gnomefreak> or daophin
[05:28] <gnomefreak> dolphin
[05:28] <Paradigm_Shift> gnomefreak, none do this currently
[05:29] <LjL> well du does
[05:29] <LjL> perhaps ls too
[05:29] <gnomefreak> Paradigm_Shift: nautilus does if you right click and go to properties
[05:29] <abominius> gnomefreak: http://rafb.net/p/Ft5w1v51.html
[05:29] <LjL> stupid little trick...
[05:29] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, it is not merely displaying the information bu then takng subsequent steps
[05:29] <gnomefreak> that will tell you the size and should allow drag and drop
[05:29] <ubuntu> Ok I've found an "answer" of sorts
[05:29] <ubuntu> This is a bug
[05:29] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: uh?
[05:30] <ubuntu> Can't manually create a partition larger than 200gig without getting that error message
[05:30] <gnomefreak> abominius: ah i would remove the headers and install them again
[05:30] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: Directories=$(du | sort -n | awk ' { print $2 } ');   for Directory in $Directories; do touch $Directory; done            then sort by last modification date in Konqueror
[05:30] <LjL> that won't work with filenames that have spaces
[05:30] <abominius> gnomefreak: trying
[05:31] <ubuntu> This needs to be fixed ASAP
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, if I am trying to find 4.37 GB worth of data to burn to DVD out of 45GB, I want to sort the folders by content size, and then select folders trying to reach exactly 4.37 GB. This will entail selecting, un-selecting and re-selecting until I get as close as I can. Then I drag and drop, then burn
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> du
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> ls
[05:31] <gnomefreak> abominius: ive never seen that happen with that package so i am not really much help other than knowing dpkg
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> konsole commands that only inform, they do not allow me to do everything else
[05:31] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: not if you write a script around them
[05:32] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: anyway, my very dirty trick should allow you to do it in konqueror. you lost modification dates however
[05:32] <LjL> s/lost/lose/
[05:32] <abominius> gnomefreak: how to [clean configuration/rebuild dependency]  with dkpg? :D
[05:32] <gnomefreak> abominius: did you remove it yet?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> with --purge
[05:32] <abominius> gnomefreak: removing
[05:32] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, ok. how do I go about implementing your code? write a bash script?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> abominius: use --purge
[05:33] <abominius> gnomefreak: removed
[05:33] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: just type it in a console, minus any errors i've made
[05:33] <gnomefreak> abominius: now sudo apt-get autoclean
[05:33] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, LOL
[05:33] <abominius> gnomefreak: --purge <-- wich command?
[05:33] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: ... while in the right directory
[05:34] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: though uhm, wait... if that's a CD, it won't work, because it's read-only and you can't modify dates
[05:34] <gnomefreak> abominius: too late now
[05:34] <abominius> gnomefreak: lol
[05:35] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, no worries about WORM media. I am sort ing HD so that I can then archive to DVD
[05:35] <abominius> gnomefreak: --purge <-- wich command?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> abominius: run autoclean command than install the linux-header package again make sure you are building this for right kernel or ubuntu is missing patch for feisty kernel i have never tried to build wacom before
[05:35] <gnomefreak> abominius: sudo apt-get remove --purge package   hint its too late if you removed it already
[05:35] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, the "do touch" section results in an error ("syntax error near unexpected token 'do'")
[05:35] <abominius> gnomefreak: ok
[05:36] <gnomefreak> abominius: install the package again and try again
[05:36] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, you mistyped something, works here
[05:36] <abominius> gnomefreak: doing :D
[05:36] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: Directories=$(du | sort -n | awk ' { print $2 } '); for Directory in $Directories; do touch $Directory; done
[05:36] <gnomefreak> im gone for a while need to rest for this coming week
[05:36] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, I copied and pasted ;)
[05:36] <abominius> gnomefreak: it is dl again :)
[05:37] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: so did i
[05:37] <uga|away> finally
[05:38] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, LOL. SO, what is the result of that code, exactly?
[05:38] <uga> heh, this is strange...
[05:38] <uga> ifup claijms neither eth0 nor eth1 exist
[05:38] <uga> anybody can tell how my networking is working, then? =)
[05:39] <uga> /home/uga# ifup eth0
[05:39] <uga> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:39] <abominius> gnomefreak: tryng to reboot everithing after installed linux-headers
[05:39] <uga> :P
[05:39] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift,  Directories=$(du | sort -n | awk ' { print $2 } ')  lists all the files [and directories]  in the current directory in order of size, and stores the result in the $Directories variable.    for Directory in $Directories; do touch $Directory; done  goes through each file and "touches" it, which results in setting its last-modification-date to the current system time
[05:39] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, I really appreciate your helpful suggestions and the code.
[05:39] <abominius> gnomefreak: no wacom installed
[05:39] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: so, it should result in bigger files having an earlier modification date than smaller files - which then allows you to sort them in Konqueror
[05:39] <uga> anybody knows how to list network interfaces?
[05:40] <uga> dhclient seems to work fine with eth0 =)
[05:40] <uga> this is silly
[05:40] <uga> heh
[05:40] <combo> what mean Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". on fglrxinfo ??
[05:41] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, here is what I hoping to achieve in Konqueror http://explorerxp.com/index.html
[05:41] <uga> combo: that your driver doesn't implement the Direct rendering interface
[05:42] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, click on the main picture to see it closer
[05:43] <combo> uga: do u know any solution ? ;/
[05:43] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, i think i've understood it fine. only, there is no way i know of, and that script is the closest thing i can come up with (it doesn't *show* you the sizes, but it does allow you to have them *sorted* by size).   actually, kdirstat is the closest thing, but it doesn't allow drag&drop
[05:43] <uga> combo: unless you haven't installed the proper drivers for your card, not really
[05:43] <uga> combo: what gfx card and driver?
[05:44] <combo> uga: wait... let me tell u what causes that error (before format all works)
[05:45] <combo> uga: i ve installed codecs from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - like for EDGY (cuz i have kub-7.04) and after step with 'sudo depmode -a' and adding Extension 'Composite' Disable - i made a restart and something crashed
[05:45] <combo> uga: before i didn't reset between those steps and all worked
[05:46] <combo> uga: now i can't take it back
[05:46] <uga> uhm... I never used ati drivers, so I can't tell
[05:46] <michele_> hi . there is a channel irc in italian language for kubuntu ?
[05:46] <uga> I always went nvidia
[05:46] <uga> which doesn't do dri
[05:46] <combo> why everything is so problematic ://///////
[05:47] <combo> does anyone having ATI CARD here has installed fglrx using command 'depmod -a' ???
[05:47] <combo> i wanna know what is this comman?? 'depmod -a'
[05:47] <combo> ??
[05:48] <uga> finally, temperature monitors work! =)
[05:48] <uga> CPU Temp:  +30.0C  (high = +80.0C, hyst = +75.0C)
[05:48] <uga> what's the "high" thing? maximum permitted?
[05:48] <uga> or maximum reached
[05:49] <uga> uh? in6:       +4.92 V  (min =  +1.13 V, max =  +0.56 V) ALARM
[05:50] <uga> what on earth
[05:50] <uga> all voltages in alarm?
[05:51] <uga> in1:      +11.46 V  (min = +11.88 V, max =  +1.74 V) ALARM
[05:51] <uga> it doesn't make much sense :/
[05:51] <inaety> is there anyways to have mispelled words light up in red in kopete like in konqueror
[05:52] <Siath> inaety - does kopete have a spell checker associated with it?
[05:53] <inaety> Siath: im not sure
[05:53] <Siath> inaety - let me look if it has one.
[05:54] <EmanueleT> hello
[05:55] <hsystem-x> :)
[05:55] <Siath> inaety - I don't see one associated with my version
[05:55] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, is it possible to create an extension for Knoqueror that will display the size of a folder's content in MB or GB?
[05:56] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, "View Modes" can be added to Konqueror, so yes, it is possible in theory
[05:56] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: but i think it would be much easier to hack into the current "Detailed View" than create an extension view
[05:56] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, "in theory" :)
[05:56] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: well it requires C+ coding of course...
[05:56] <LjL> +
[05:57] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, yes, unfortunately. I probably would not even earn a C+ if I took a course in programming ;)
[05:57] <inaety> Siath: darn
[05:59] <Siath> ieaety - I'm sure there is a way to have one associated with it - but erm I'm not that skilled yet
[06:03] <michael> Hi
[06:03] <Siath> Hi
[06:05] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: get Krusader
[06:05] <LjL> it has your feature
[06:06] <Siath> Krusader? what's that?
[06:06] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, I will check that out. Thanks
[06:06] <LjL> !info krusader
[06:06] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0~beta1-1 (feisty), package size 2982 kB, installed size 8324 kB
[06:06] <Siath> oh! sweet :D
[06:06] <LjL> !info dolphin
[06:06] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[06:06] <michael> Its my first time in an ICR Chat/Channel... what du you do here? how can i find other channels
[06:07] <LjL> michael: this is the Kubuntu support channel. we ask and reply to Kubuntu-related support channels
[06:07] <LjL> !channels
[06:07] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:07] <michael> thanks very much
[06:07] <acee1234> anyone know how to fix the bug in kdm theme manager that asks for administrative mode but no such button exists?
[06:07] <Siath> michael - this is the 'help' for Kubuntu channel - basically if you need help ask a question - someone hopefully can answer
[06:08] <feierfox> michael is'nt it sad, das you loss your IRC-virginity in a channel like this?
[06:09] <michael> ok thanks, when i got a problem i'm goint to ask, but up to now it works perfectly
[06:09] <Siath> :D - it's good when it all works
[06:10] <acee1234> if no one knows how to fix the bug then ow to i log in as su
[06:11] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: select all the directories you want to get the size of, right click, "Calculate size", wait, click Ok when it's finished, then you can sort by size by clicking on the Size column
[06:12] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, you read my mind. I was trying to figure that out
[06:13] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: didn't read your mind, just realized it wasn't entirely trivial to find out how it's done =) i found it out because it's mentioned in a changelog
[06:13] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, in any event THANK YOU!!!!
[06:13] <Paradigm_Shift> this is exactly what I wanted to have
[06:13] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, you are the MAN!
[06:14] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: you're welcome, it's nice to know it can be done. although i don't think i like that file manager itself
[06:16] <acee1234> how can i enable root login?
[06:16] <LjL> !root
[06:16] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:19] <acee1234> ok if root is so bad then how can i access the kdm theme manager as sudo?
[06:20] <LjL> acee1234, that's just as bad. there's no reason in the world to run the *login manager* (kdm is not a theme manager, in any way, at all) as root, unless you just *want* to be hacked
[06:20] <TheDragon> anybody want an edit password to a new wiki i just put up? msg me
[06:20] <acee1234> its the only way to change anything
[06:20] <LjL> !offtopic | TheDragon
[06:20] <ubotu> TheDragon: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:20] <LjL> acee1234: not really. what do you want to change?
[06:21] <acee1234> LjL the logon screen it says hit the admistrative mode button but none exists
[06:21] <acee1234> i googled it and it is a bud
[06:21] <acee1234> bug
[06:22] <LjL> acee1234: K / System Settings / Advanced / Login Manager.
[06:22] <LjL> there *is* an "Administrator Mode" button there
[06:22] <LjL> and for further customization
[06:22] <LjL> !info kdmtheme
[06:22] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 103 kB, installed size 268 kB
[06:23] <LjL> and next time you want to know how to do something, ask straight away -- don't ask things that have no relevance, such as how to enable root
[06:23] <acee1234> i tried
[06:23] <garfield_> linux gone bad and it chand my display from ati to vesa
[06:23] <acee1234> " anyone know how to fix the bug in kdm theme manager that asks for administrative mode but no such button exists?"
[06:24] <acee1234> thank you though i fiddle with it
[06:24] <LjL> acee1234, just install kdmtheme and have fun
[06:25] <acee1234> kdmtheme is installed already
[06:26] <acee1234> how do i send a screen shot?
[06:27] <draik> !wireless
[06:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:30] <mauri> sometime suddenly my video became with vertical lines and I'm not able to do nothing. It happens with 7.10 but also with 7.06
[06:30] <TunaTom> Wow, this exclamation-mark documentation is cool. I'll just try it:
[06:30] <TunaTom> !wireless
[06:30] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:30] <TunaTom> !kde4
[06:31] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:31] <TunaTom> !vi
[06:31] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[06:31] <TunaTom> (sorry :)
[06:33] <mauri> sometime suddenly my video became with vertical lines and I'm not able to do nothing. It happens with 7.10 but also with 7.06
[06:33] <pookey> hey all - does anyonw know what package  /usr/sbin/base-config is in?
[06:33] <cute_bettong> ok i installed the w32codecs and yet amarok still cannot play mp3's or anythig v.v
[06:33] <cute_bettong> is there something i am missing? o.o
[06:34] <jhutchins> TunaTom: You can explore the bot by /msg and the private repleis won't clutter the channel.
[06:34] <jhutchins> !find base-config
[06:34] <ubotu> Found: debian-edu-install
[06:34] <cute_bettong> o.o
[06:37] <jhutchins> cute_bettong: delete ~/.xine
[06:37] <jhutchins> cute_bettong: see if that helps.
[06:40] <draik> If a wireless card is viewed, LSPCI and Network Settings, but it doesn't hold onto the Default Gateway info, why would that be?
[06:40] <jhutchins> draik: Problems with the wep key?
[06:41] <draik> jhutchins: WEP and no WEP
[06:41] <lipsi> hi hello
[06:41] <draik> Either way, it doesn't see the AP
[06:41] <draik> Even if I enter the ESSID manually, I get nothing
[06:41] <jhutchins> draik: could be hardware problems does iwlist <card> scan show it?
[06:41] <draik> The default gateway keeps resetting to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:42] <draik> jhutchins: Not at all. It results with nothing
[06:42] <jhutchins> draik: If the card's showing up in iwlist/iwconfig then the drivers are supposedly loaded.
[06:42] <jhutchins> It should be getting a signal.
[06:43] <draik> The card is there in lspci, but no APs when I do "iwlist eth1 scan"
[06:43] <jhutchins> I beat my head against a similar problem for a while and finally replaced both the AP and ended up with a different card, and now they work.  If the AP and/or card are more than 2 years old they could be bad.
[06:44] <draik> I want to blame the Dell 1390 card inside the Compaq
[06:44] <draik> But...
[06:44] <draik> It worked before the conversion to Kubuntu (was winxp)
[06:44] <draik> I doubt the Mini-PCI was damaged during the OS change
[06:45] <draik> BTW, driver is loaded for the internal card, per instructions on the Wiki
[06:46] <draik> BRB
[06:48] <draik> kcab
[06:56] <HiGenix> What's the best IDE for c++ development available for KDE?
[06:56] <emilsedgh> HiGenix: sure, kdevelop :)
[06:59] <draik> jhutchins: What do you recommend for an internal card?
[06:59] <syd> hi, i've just reinstalled my kubuntu 7.04; i've a gf6200, and i always install nvidia-glx drivers, but this time, it doesn't work; so i've installed nvidia-glx-new drivers, but now, the xserver works good, but the console is only a black screen... after few seconds my monitor is turning off, when 'm swiching to the x (F7), everything is going back to normal
[06:59] <draik> How are Orinoco's these days?
[07:00] <syd> wtf is going on?
[07:00] <syd> btw - sorry for my poor engilsh
[07:00] <draik> !nvidia
[07:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:00] <syd> yeah... i've read this many times
[07:01] <syd> it always work, but not today :)
[07:03] <draik> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[07:06] <syd> ok... i've done it, as i wrote
[07:06] <syd> but
[07:07] <syd> console doesn't work
[07:07] <syd> it's black, and the monitor is turning off
[07:10] <blix_> Is there any Photo presentation software for Linux?
[07:11] <draik> blix_: Meaning?
[07:11] <blix_> meaning.. I have lots of photos and I want to make a DVD presentation out of them
[07:11] <blix_> is there any software under Linux that do such stuff?
[07:11] <blix_> can*
[07:12] <draik> blix_: I know there is. Let me get back to you... It's somewhere in here...
[07:12] <blix_> draik...thanks mate.
[07:13] <draik> blix_: sudo apt-get install dvd-slideshow
[07:14] <blix_> ooo
[07:14] <blix_> right ok...thanks draik.
[07:14] <draik> You're welcome
[07:14] <blix_> I'll take a look
[07:15] <draik> blix_: http://dvd-slideshow.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page
[07:15] <blix_> thanks drail
[07:15] <blix_> draik*
[07:16] <draik> NP
[07:16] <blix_> how do I get into root again
[07:16] <blix_> I keep forgetting :-S
[07:16] <HiGenix> sudo
[07:16] <blix_> sudo doesn't work exactly, there's another way
[07:17] <xenol> plz can someone tell me where r stored wallpapers downloaded through System Settings -> Desktop -> Get new wallpapers?
[07:18] <draik> blix_: Also, you may want to try QDVDAuthor = "sudo apt-get install qdvdauthor"
[07:18] <blix_> right ok
[07:18] <draik> blix_: There's the ugly way. Adept.
[07:18] <emilsedgh> xenol: dunno exactly, but i think it should be in ~/.kde
[07:18] <HiGenix> How do I stop join/part events from showing up in the channel box using Konversation?
[07:20] <blix_> 'sudo -i' was the command I was looking for
[07:22] <blix_> appears to dependancies
[07:22] <blix_> to be*
[07:24] <stdin> HiGenix: Settings > Configure Konversation > Behaviour > Chat Window > Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[07:24] <HiGenix> stdin: Thanks
[07:26] <HiGenix> .
[07:28] <acee1234> Anyone know how i can change the logon theme of kubuntu kdmtheme is missing the administative mode button and i cant seem to find a tutorial for doing it manually and in advanced settings  the logonmanager does not seem to accept themes. Any ideas?
[07:29] <stdin> acee1234: Alt-F2, kdesu kcontrol     and see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[07:29] <gehzumteufel> hello all. so i need some help. my sound has just dropped. not sure when it did but i just went to watch a video and i get an error "no sound"
[07:30] <acee1234> stdin alt-f2 isnt doing anything
[07:30] <gehzumteufel> if i log off and on it will come back
[07:30] <stdin> acee1234: Alt-F2 opens the Run Dialog, you can just do KMenu > Run Command  too
[07:30] <waylandbill_> acee1234: in kcontrol, there are settings to configure kdm
[07:34] <acee1234> perfect thank you both
[07:34] <garfield_> i have problem with my graph card ati it was working good befor but now it gone haywire
[07:34] <gehzumteufel> anyone?
[07:35] <gehzumteufel> my sound stopped working. if i log off and back on it works again. how can i re-initialize it without logging off?
[07:35] <garfield_> the resolutotion is gone i only got 2 choises
[07:35] <gehzumteufel> and how can i stop this in the future
[07:35] <HiGenix> In Konversation, My menu bar just disappeared, I think I pressed ctrl+M but I tried pressing it again and it hasn't come back, any solutions?
[07:35] <garfield_> when i run beryl i got the white sreen
[07:36] <draik_BRB> Sorry stdin, I didn't mean to change it often. I forgot to register the nick before changing back to available
[07:37] <gehzumteufel> can someone help me please?
[07:38] <push> synaptic is removing all essential packages.....
[07:38] <push> how to install other packages then?
[07:38] <Mr_Sonoma> garfield_, #ubutu_effects should be able to help or #beryl i remember going through that myself with my nvidia and it seems it was a simple xorg.conf change but i forget what exactly it was.
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> yay, yes another kernel update!
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> yet*
[07:39] <Mr_Sonoma> garfield_, #ubuntu_effects even LOL <------ not the best typist
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> #ubuntu-effects
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> no underscore
[07:39] <garfield_> Mr_Sonoma: it's not beryl but my graph card
[07:39] <Mr_Sonoma> oh its a dash
[07:39] <Mr_Sonoma> ??
[07:39] <draik> garfield_: Did you install your required drivers? I had the same issue when I was using the wrong driver for my nVidia card
[07:41] <garfield_> draik: didnt had to it choose the option ati and everything was working good beryl etc i had even a lot of resolution to choos but it's bein,g one day i didnt went on linuc i came back and i saw everything big and beryl  got a white screen when i launch it
[07:41] <gehzumteufel> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:41] <uga> dial 112
[07:41] <gehzumteufel> lol
[07:41] <garfield_> 911
[07:41] <draik> garfield_: I would chalk that up to a bad driver
[07:42] <gehzumteufel> thats probably more help than anyone here has been for me the past 10mins
[07:42] <push> 100
[07:42] <draik> 411?
[07:42] <gehzumteufel> haha
[07:42] <draik> 7-11
[07:42] <waylandbill_> I lose window decorations with compiz-fusion, so I gave up.
[07:43] <garfield_> draik: the last day i was looking how to install my webcam trust i was doing all types of thing to get it installl after thatsPipet day is when everything gone bad
[07:43] <garfield_> stdin: help please :(
[07:44] <garfield_> :)
[07:45] <darx> hi folks
[07:45] <darx> how can i install kde4 for gutsy?
[07:45] <shadowhywind> hay all, does anyone have any ideas on what to do when fsck comes back with Too many files need repair.?
[07:45] <garfield_> lol
[07:46] <gehzumteufel> lol
[07:46] <draik> !off-topic
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <draik> !off topic
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <draik> !offtopic
[07:46] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !botabuse
[07:47] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> :P
[07:47] <darx> guys how can i install kde4?
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !kde4
[07:47] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
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[07:47] <phantom_>      ?
[07:47] <hydrogen> thats not english!
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ru
[07:48] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:48] <gehzumteufel> phantom_: priviet
[07:48] <uga> heh, what's the name for the compiz configurator?
[07:48] <garfield_> draik: when i go in monitor display to change my graph card when i enter the passwr it say conversation with su failed
[07:48] <uga> I had used beryl in the past, so I'm lost in the compiz world back
[07:48] <darx> Daisuke_Laptop: thanks..
[07:49] <HiGenix> How do I show the menu bar in Konversation?
[07:49] <gehzumteufel> so i guess i cant get my sound working again without logging off/on
[07:49] <draik> What is the command again for the system settings? kdesu system settings or something similar...?
[07:49] <gehzumteufel> cause no one will help me
[07:49] <gehzumteufel> HiGenix: ctrl+m
[07:49] <uga> HiGenix: Ctrl+M
[07:49] <HiGenix> I've tried that, it didn't work. :(
[07:50] <uga> oh, I'm slow typing ;)
[07:50] <gehzumteufel> close it and then reopen it?
[07:50] <gehzumteufel> then try it again
[07:50] <uga> HiGenix: maybe the shortcut is changed for your system. That's the default. IT shows the shortcut when hiding it...
[07:50] <uga> HiGenix: if nothing else... rm .kde/share/config/konversationrc
[07:50] <uga> should do
[07:51] <uga> or edit the file to see the shortcut
[07:51] <gehzumteufel> uga: do you know how to re-initialize a soundcard?
[07:51] <uga> gehzumteufel: reloading the module works?
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> uga: by restarting alsa?
[07:52] <uga> rmmod-ing I meant
[07:52] <uga> no idea if alsa does restart devices
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> it doesnt
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> cause it didnt work
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> but i dont know about rmmod-ing
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> im still a n00b
[07:52] <duns_s> gehzumteufel: heute nich
[07:53] <duns_s> gehzumteufel: bin kein theologe...
[07:53] <uga> lsmod will list all the drivers being used. Check if you can recognise the driver of the soundcard. rmmod <drivername>. modprobe <drivername>
[07:53] <gehzumteufel> duns_s: lol
[07:54] <ubuntu> hi here
[07:55] <blix__> how do I get into GRUB?
[07:55] <blix__> is this built into Ubuntu?
[07:55] <Kachna> got a trouble,my grub fails to load, so i wanna grub-install, already chrooted to my installation but cant access hda, any ideas?
[07:55] <gehzumteufel> uga: it seems to say that its in use
[07:56] <gehzumteufel> with any of the sound modules i try to restart
[07:56] <gehzumteufel> or whatever rmmod does
[07:57] <uga> urghm... why do developers decide to use such clever and intuitive names... ccrm
[07:57] <uga> man...
[07:57] <uga> ccsm, rather
[07:57] <young_linx> hi
[07:57] <young_linx> i need help with ubuntu, to private please
[07:57] <emilsedgh> !hi | young_linx
[07:57] <ubotu> young_linx: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:58] <uga> young_linx: there's no privacy here ;)
[07:58] <gehzumteufel> ugh im over this. logging off and on
[07:58] <young_linx> who can tell me how to deinstall ubuntu?
[07:58] <uga> young_linx: uninstall completely?, just format the partitions
[07:58] <young_linx> uga through what
[07:59] <draik> young_linx: sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop
[07:59] <hydrogen> err
[07:59] <hydrogen> that won't help
[07:59] <uga> young_linx: boot any live CD, and mkfs.vfat whatever you want formatted
[07:59] <uga> hydrogen: well, why not =)
[07:59] <HiGenix> uga: Thanks for the help, I edited konversationirc and it works fine, there's a value about 10 lines down you can set to "True".
[07:59] <hydrogen> uga: that was to draik
[07:59] <uga> aok
[07:59] <draik> I figured Kubuntu was installed at well
[07:59] <draik> I have Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Xubuntu on my desktop
[08:00] <draik> Depends how I feel
[08:00] <young_linx> uga: what should i do first
[08:00] <Kachna> cmon please,i cant find a clue on wiki,cant boot to my system :{
[08:00] <Tonren> When I hit Ctrl + L to manually refetch all feeds in Akregator, the feed icons dim and lighten, showing that it's finding them, but they don't actually update.
[08:00] <Kachna> just chrooted on mz disk and now...
[08:01] <draik> Kachna: Check your drives for possible failure to the MBR
[08:01] <Kachna> mbr seems to be ok,that selection table loads up,but then when loading it sazs disk error...
[08:02] <Kachna> i have /boot on separate partition, so all i need is to run my grub-install :/
[08:02] <draik> Have you used SGD
[08:03] <Kachna> SDG?
[08:03] <Kachna> never heard about it
[08:03] <draik> SGD
[08:03] <Kachna> oh
[08:03] <draik> Then you haven't been looking
[08:03] <Kachna> supergrub<
[08:03] <Kachna> ?
[08:04] <Dr_willis> lets be more vague! :)
[08:04] <draik> Dr_willis: ...?!?! LOL
[08:04] <Dr_willis> when the system boots - it says 'disk error' ?
[08:05] <Dr_willis> this is after the grub menu, and ya pick what os to boot? :)
[08:05] <Kachna> right after i select kernel,i get grub error 25
[08:05] <Kachna> and grub error 25 is disk error afaik >/]
[08:06] <Dr_willis> a quick google - impls that may be an error in your grub menu.lst configs
[08:06] <uga> uhm... the beryl configurator was much better
[08:06] <Dr_willis> http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?showtopic=12845
[08:07] <uga> how does one set up windecos on this thing
[08:07] <Dr_willis> 25 : Disk read error
[08:07] <Dr_willis>  This error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk.
[08:07] <Dr_willis> if its trying to access the wrong disk. :) thats an error.
[08:08] <Kachna> Dr_willis: well but here we come, I'm almost sure that menu.lst is ok, sometimes it boots up sfter few attempts..
[08:09] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  that sounds like the hd is not responding in time. Is this a USB hard drive?
[08:09] <Dr_willis> if its not usb - that sounds more and more like a drive is dieing to me.
[08:09] <Kachna> i've read somewhere it may dislike reiserfs,so i made /boot partition with ext3 but it remains :'[
[08:09] <Dr_willis> if iI never use reiserfs for anything . :) so cant help ya either way there.
[08:10] <Dr_willis> This is a normal IDE drive however?
[08:10] <Kachna> well however it's not the case anymore since there's ext now...well maybe really dying hdd,but strange is that it's the only place with errors :[
[08:11] <Kachna> it's common barracuda ata 7200.7, connected with ata133
[08:11] <Kachna> so one of the most common disks >P
[08:11] <uga> I see.. aquamarine doesn't start
[08:12] <uga> lets ditch compiz... beryl & aquamarine rocks ;)
[08:12] <Dr_willis> could be a goofy ide cable, or ide controler also. :) i had a case that 'cut' through one wire of my ide drive the other day...
[08:12] <Dr_willis> took me forever to  figure that out.
[08:12] <Dr_willis> 'whats this one wire dangling from this ide cable for......'
[08:13] <Kachna> but has few years...looks like I'll need a new one :'[ tried more cables..damn,another cash gonne,trying to get money for new guitar amp...doh!
[08:13] <Kachna> *gone
[08:13] <Tonren> I'm getting "fetch errors" when I try to fetch a feed in Akregator.  Can someone tell me how to fix this?
[08:13] <young_linx> somebody help me with deinstallation ubuntu
[08:15] <Kachna> young_linx: cmon just format the partition...what's the problem?
[08:15] <young_linx> kacha i can't format it by format
[08:15] <young_linx> from dos
[08:15] <Biovore> young_linx: what you tring to do.. reinstall linux or go back to windows?
[08:15] <young_linx> because dos can't see this partition
[08:15] <young_linx> go back to windows
[08:16] <draik> How can I copy a whole folder over through ssh?
[08:16] <Kachna> young_linx: you can use fdisk
[08:16] <Biovore> young_linx: throw the windows disk in the drive.. then delete all the partition and create 1 paration for windows.. should work from there..
[08:17] <Biovore> draik: scp -r <folder> <username>@<host>:<path/to/file>
[08:17] <draik> "scp folder_name myUser@my.local.ip.address:/my/folder/location/"  won't work.
[08:17] <young_linx> linux fdisk or windows fdisk?
[08:17] <draik> Thank you
[08:17] <Biovore> both would work
[08:17] <Biovore> man scp
[08:17] <Kachna> young_linx: doesn't matter >/]
[08:17] <draik> I was missing "-r"
[08:17] <Kachna> ok u guys are faster...:]
[08:17] <young_linx> windows fdisk can't see linux partition
[08:18] <Biovore> xp does..
[08:18] <Biovore> just says unknow partition..
[08:18] <draik> I thought so too, but missing the "-r" stated "MyMusic: not a regular file"
[08:18] <Tonren> Anyone?  Fetch errors?  Akregator?
[08:19] <young_linx> Biovore: see i load from the boot cd with xp
[08:19] <young_linx> and run dos fdisk
[08:19] <uga> I can't understand why, if compiz fusion is meant to replace beryl, why beryl remains working better
[08:19] <Kachna> i did it few times,there definitely is that partition :P
[08:19] <draik> k9copy sure is taking it's sweet glorious time. I'm trying to backup my DVDs to an external HDD so I can take it to work and watch it when I have free time, but it seems to be taking about 2:30 hours for a DVD
[08:19] <Biovore> dos fdisk... you installing win98 or something?
[08:20] <BluesKaj> owdy all :)
[08:20] <BluesKaj> rr howdy
[08:20] <uga> wb Blues
[08:21] <Kachna> oh mz...
[08:22] <draik> Kachna: What's going on with your "y" key? It's a "z" everytime.
[08:22] <Kachna> Dr_willis: can i use debian installation cd's repair mode to repair ubuntu's grub?
[08:22] <Dr_willis> you could use any live cd to repiar the system
[08:23] <Kachna> draik: i'm on live cd to fix my grub, having wrong charset :]
[08:23] <Dr_willis> boot cd. mount your / and stuff, chroot over. fix the stuff.
[08:23] <Dr_willis> or just mount it. edit the menu.lst
[08:23] <Dr_willis> brb
[08:24] <Kachna> Dr_willis: that's the problem,when i mount my /dev/hda1, it looks ok but folder is empty -/-
[08:24] <Kachna> dammit :]
[08:25] <BluesKaj> y fglrx driver isn't co-operating ...reinstalled the patched and modded version but i think the proprietary version that was recommended (which didn't supply DRI and 3D that it was supposed to do) caused a prob which is still in effect.
[08:25] <Kachna> brb
[08:28] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Oh dear.  Your windows won't wobble now.  hatever will you do?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> hutchins, I don't use beryl ..i just want my google earth to work :)
[08:29] <Tonren> hahaha
[08:30] <mauri> someone knows knetworkmenager
[08:31] <draik> I haven't been anywhere recently for me to update my Google Earth app
[08:32] <draik> Anywhere interesting, anyway
[08:33] <uga> uhm... having a cpu that supports virtualization, what's best option to load virtual machines? xen? virtualbox? vmware?
[08:34] <uga> will all of them do winders?
[08:34] <BluesKaj> ell, i have relatives and children living in different countries and i have always been a bit of a geography freak so google earth is important to me.
[08:34] <draik> I use vmware
[08:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> virtualbox for ease-of-setup
[08:35] <uga> I used both vmware and virtualbox in the past. I never used xen so far (I failed badly at setting it up)
[08:35] <BluesKaj> w
[08:35] <uga> I just never had a virtualization supporting cpu before
[08:36] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: have you tried using marble?
[08:37] <draik> I don't have the option to CTRL+ALT+ESC and kill an app. How do I get that back?
[08:37] <BluesKaj> yeah , marble doesn't cut it  for me
[08:39] <Kachna> OMG
[08:39] <wolfsong> I tried installing kubuntu-desktop and while I get the kubuntu login, the desktop is still gnome
[08:40] <Kachna> wolfsong: change it on login screen
[08:40] <Kachna> like session or so
[08:40] <Dr_willis> yep.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> I dont understand why people think their desktop should change.. :) they are all just apps running on X.
[08:40] <Kachna> :-)
[08:40] <Dr_willis> the session menus can be very well hidden on some of the login screens however.
[08:40] <mauri> someone knows knetworkmenager
[08:40] <Kachna> that's right,but hardly ever by default
[08:41] <Dr_willis> heh.
[08:42] <Pitabred> wolfsong: did you select to use a KDE session instead of a Gnome session?
[08:42] <Kachna> Dr_willis: tried repairing grub from debian, no chance, so i wanna do from live cd, but i can't even access that hdd :-(
[08:42] <Kachna> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ fdisk /dev/hda
[08:42] <Kachna> Unable to open /dev/hda
[08:42] <draik> Dr_willis: You mean it's not?!?!
[08:42] <wolfsong> Pitabred: I don't know
[08:42] <mauri> amule does not connected to edonkey server
[08:42] <wolfsong> do you select that at login?
[08:42] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  mount it.. if you cant mount it.. then.. what kind of hd/filesystem is iit?
[08:42] <Pitabred> YEah
[08:42] <Pitabred> There should be a little menu to the bottom right
[08:43] <Kachna>  partitions, / and /boot
[08:43] <Pitabred> kubuntu-desktop doesn't replace gnome, it just adds kde
[08:43] <Kachna> and others not required to do this ofc
[08:43] <Kachna>  / is reiser, /boot is ext
[08:43] <Kachna> 3
[08:43] <wolfsong> but to get kde menus, etc. I use the menu?
[08:44] <Pitabred> ...what?  At the login screen, there's a little paper-like icon that should allow you to select a KDE-session, last session, gnome-session, etc.
[08:44] <Pitabred> Select the KDE session when you login, and you'll be using the KDE desktop instead of the Gnome desktop
[08:45] <wolfsong> ok thanks Pitabred
[08:45] <uga> ... which is best you can do ;)
[08:45] <uga> then apt-get ditch gnome ;)
[08:45] <uga> uh... shame... still not implemented
[08:45] <wolfsong> and how do I switch back to gdm?
[08:45] <Pitabred> Notice how I said it had "gnome session" as an option?
[08:45] <uga> wolfsong: I guess, just like kdm, there's a service called gdm for ubuntu. /etc/init.d/gdm
[08:46] <Dr_willis> the menu to use for the session also moves around depending on the theme. :)
[08:46] <Pitabred> kdm and gdm do the same job.  You only need one.
[08:46] <wolfsong> it seems at one time I found a package that let you select which display manager you wanted to use when X started
[08:46] <Dr_willis> gdm uses a slightly different menu/layout also.
[08:46] <Pitabred> They will both allow you to use either a gnome or KDE session
[08:46] <Kachna> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/root/boot/grub$ cat ./device.map
[08:46] <Kachna> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[08:46] <Kachna> isn't fd0 a floppy?
[08:46] <wolfsong> Pitabred: yes I know but I've never used kde so I'd like to check it out a lil
[08:47] <Dr_willis> yes. its sain /dev/fd0 is a floppy
[08:47] <Dr_willis> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[08:47] <Dr_willis> is saying my first sata drive is hd0 on my setup
[08:47] <jm87> hoe i can find xgl for my kubuntu
[08:47] <Kachna> well,but shouldn't /boot/grub be empty? coz i use another partition for /boot
[08:47] <ScorpKing> for sata sda
[08:48] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  correct. You need to mount/check  the parittion you set up for /boot/