[03:48] <pitti> Good moring
[06:50] <jibel> good morning
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <Noskcaj> can someone test the xubuntu raring beta 2 iso's, they release tomorrow and need testing
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, phillw balloons or whoever: Is that "double entry" bug in Testdrive fixed?
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Seems not:(
[10:28] <shadeslayer> anyone have an idea how to create an lxc container so that it's non persistent?
[10:28] <shadeslayer> I mean, any chances are lost once you shut it down
[10:32] <shadeslayer> stgraber: ^
[10:41] <pitti> schroot does that quite nicely; I'm also interested in whether lxc can work on top of schroot, so that I can either just simply schroot into those, or "boot" them with lxc (provided that they have upstart etc. installed)
[10:41] <pitti> stgraber: ^ can you please ping me on your answer, too?
[11:06] <pitti> jibel: speaking of which, we recently discussed moving from kvm to lxc for adt-run, right?
[11:07] <pitti> jibel: adt-virt-schroot at least works really well, I just tried "adt-run --built-tree=. --no-built-binaries --- adt-virt-schroot sid" in the pygobject source
[11:08] <pitti> jibel: and /usr/bin/adt-virt-schroot seems moderately comprehensible, unlike adt-run itself :)
[11:48] <jibel> pitti, right, for platforms that do not support kvm. This is what we use for autopkgtest on armhf
[11:49] <jibel> pitti, the current implementation is temporary because I wanted something ready quickly without finding more bugs in autopkgtest. But the plan is to add an lxc driver to adt
[11:54] <jibel> shadeslayer, lxc-start-ephemeral starts an ephemeral copy of an existing container that is destroyed on shutdown
[11:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:56] <shadeslayer> awesome
[11:56] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[12:03] <jibel> pitti, you can use schroot I think, I did something very similar to test ubuntu-core images. Basically the process was to unpack the tarball, create a configuration file, update network configuration and start the container.
[12:04] <jibel> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/+junk/ubuntu-core/view/head:/bin/core_test
[12:18] <stgraber> shadeslayer, pitti: lxc-start-ephemeral -o <orig container>
[12:18] <stgraber> oh, I see jibel replied already ;)
[12:25] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[12:31] <pitti> stgraber: I think that uses its own overlay system, or can it use schroot?
[12:31] <pitti> jibel: ah, thanks for the link!
[12:31] <pitti> stgraber: nevermind
[13:17] <smartboyhw> phillw, ping
[13:18] <phillw> smartboyhw: I've got to go.. soz.
[13:18] <smartboyhw> phillw, er. later then
[13:31] <balloons> dholbach, sorry you couldn't make the new time :-)
[13:35] <smartboyhw> balloons, hiyas!
[13:35] <smartboyhw> balloons, doing any Beta 2 testing?:P
[13:35] <balloons> pitti, jibel dholbach .. bah.. I did the same thing as jibel. I put the new meeting time overlapping something else :-(
[13:36] <balloons> If I move to 1300 UTC tomorrow does that allow everyone to make it?
[13:36] <balloons> smartboyhw, hello
[13:36] <balloons> smartboyhw, I see studio is all ready :-)
[13:37] <pitti> balloons: WFM
[13:37] <smartboyhw> balloons, except upgrades. zequence and I are working on these NOW
[13:37] <jibel> balloons, it's 1500 in our timezone, it's fine with me.
[13:38] <balloons> lol.. ok.. we'll get this right :-) you should have the new time now
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Hi testers, anybody want to help out jbicha and his Ubuntu GNOME teammates for some Beta 2 testing?
[18:10] <jbicha> hi, Ubuntu GNOME has one more testcase (I believe) that needs to be done http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds/41180/testcases/1303/results
[18:11] <jbicha> I ran into bug 1164633 when I tried doing the i386 version so please test for that too
[18:11] <ubot5`> bug 1164633 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "live image created by Startup Disk Creator fails to boot a second time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164633
[18:12] <balloons> jbicha, hmm
[18:12] <balloons> I wonder if the raring version of startup disk creator has the same issue or not
[18:13] <SergioMeneses> jbicha, balloons \o
[18:13] <balloons> you should file that against startup disk creator btw
[18:13] <balloons> poor xnox...
[18:13]  * SergioMeneses is updating to 13.04
[18:13] <balloons> SergioMeneses, hello!
[18:13] <balloons> SergioMeneses, ohh an upgrdae test?
[18:14] <SergioMeneses> balloons, my laptop
[18:14] <SergioMeneses> I am still working on brasero... Audio project has a lot of options :S
[18:15] <balloons> hehe..
[18:16] <balloons> I can't remember the last audio cd I made actually :-)
[18:16] <SergioMeneses> balloons, jajaja
[18:16] <SergioMeneses> that's true!
[19:09] <jbicha> balloons: when I try with the raring usb-creator, I get a "Checksums do not match. Retry?" error; maybe this USB stick has issues?
[19:10] <balloons> when do you get that error?
[19:10] <balloons> when you md5?
[19:10] <jbicha> it's at the 46% point
[19:14] <jbicha> I'm thinking maybe this free usb stick that Intel gave me isn't very useful but it's the only one I have today
[19:17] <phillw> jibel: IIRC, usb-creator in raring is broken.
[19:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello..
[19:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello!
[19:19] <balloons> so ogra tells me indeed pandaboard is broken for x :-)
[19:19] <balloons> won't be fixed anytime soon sadly he made it sound like
[19:19] <balloons> maybe for final
[19:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, :(
[19:19] <balloons> yea..
[19:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, well this means we won't nead testing on Panda boards anymore ?
[19:20] <balloons> for the moment.. no
[19:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok, doesn't matter we have lots of other tests to carry out :D
[19:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, as soon as you will need these tests again, let me know
[19:21] <balloons> indeed
[19:22] <balloons> plenty of other stuff to do :-)
[19:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[19:36] <SergioMeneses> balloons, available?
[19:37] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, \o\
[19:37] <balloons> SergioMeneses, sup?
[19:37] <SergioMeneses> balloons, here is the brasero testcase https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-manual-tests/brasero-tests
[19:37] <SergioMeneses> maybe you have a comment or advice
[19:38] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, you can check it as well :D
[19:38] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, hey
[19:39] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, ok I will
[19:39] <balloons> excellent I'll look
[19:41] <balloons> SergioMeneses, wow, there is a lot of options for audio
[19:41] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I was crazy about that
[19:41] <SergioMeneses> I told you
[19:42] <SergioMeneses> btw, I think I added add all the features
[19:42] <SergioMeneses> -add
[19:43] <balloons> I believe it!
[19:43] <balloons> This looks good
[19:43] <balloons> I don't have time to run through it right now
[19:43] <balloons> but reading it over it looks very nice
[19:44] <SergioMeneses> balloons, dont worry
[19:45] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, balloons if you guys want I can do it, not sure I will finish tonight though :D it's quite long :D
[19:46] <balloons> I usually try and go through the testcase quickly before merging.. but not always, especially if i know we're planning to use it for a cadence week or something.. I'l merge and just go through it as part of the week :-)
[19:46] <balloons> I trust Sergio has verified the case ofc :-p
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok :D
[19:47] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure!... but I always ask for a second view
[19:48] <balloons> indeed ofc
[19:48] <SergioMeneses> sometimes my editors change some words or something jejeje
[19:48] <balloons> yea.. I almost always do some minor tweaks to wording :-)
[19:51] <SergioMeneses> balloons, Letozaf_ https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-manual-tests/brasero-tests/+merge/157216
[19:52] <SergioMeneses> you can add comments here
[19:59] <SergioMeneses> balloons, check it now! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1157481
[19:59] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1157481 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Needed: brasero" [Medium,In progress]
[19:59] <SergioMeneses> I did a small change about indentation
[20:01] <balloons> SergioMeneses, I always spellcheck and run the format checker chilicuil wrote :-)
[20:01] <balloons> it's helpfu;l
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> balloons, but it only works with VIM?
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> right
[20:02] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, balloons ok I will give it a run though, maybe I will start tonight and finish tomorrow ok ?
[20:03] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, perfect
[20:03] <SergioMeneses> ;)
[20:03] <balloons> SergioMeneses, no you can run it as a bash file
[20:03] <balloons> you need to install tidy
[20:03] <balloons> it will tell you
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> nice then
[20:04] <balloons> you might need to install vim too.. but, you simply run it and pass the file as an argument
[20:04] <balloons> you don't have to see or do anything with vim :-)
[20:04] <balloons> I edit everything in geany
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> jajaja
[20:04] <balloons> I don't type well enough to use vim.. hahaha
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> geany rocks! I used in university
[20:05] <SergioMeneses> o0
[20:05] <balloons> yes definitely
[20:05] <balloons> geany <3
[20:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, SergioMeneses vim isn't that bad :D
[20:06] <SergioMeneses> Letozaf_, I think I have to learn to use it xD
[20:06] <SergioMeneses> some day
[20:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, you use vim?
[20:06] <balloons> I always thought you loved emacs...
[20:06]  * balloons balloons floats away
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, but I'm not an expert, just basic use to edit files on servers
[20:07] <balloons> ahh.. yes, command line I do use it
[20:07] <balloons> sometimes I'm bad tho and use nano and sed rather than just using vim
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, I know nothing about emacs, only vim for me :D
[20:08] <SergioMeneses> but nano does the same jejeje
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, no I use only vim I prefer it
[20:08] <balloons> yes I was making the classic emacs vs vim joke..
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes go it lol
[20:08] <balloons> anyways, Letozaf_ I messed with using qml and autopilot
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, wow guess you had fun :D
[20:09] <balloons> yes, it wasn't bad.. you can't introspect the applications
[20:10] <balloons> but since it's qml all the objects are defined.. you just look at the qml file
[20:10] <balloons> so in some ways it's easier.. anyways, it does work as thomi mentioned
[20:12] <SergioMeneses> balloons, Letozaf_ are you working on testing ubuntu-touch?
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, sounds fun even if I understand you had to do it in a different was as thomi told you to
[20:12] <Letozaf_> sorry not was but way
[20:13] <thomi> hmm?
[20:13] <Letozaf_> SergioMeneses, no on autopilot automated testing
[20:13] <Letozaf_> thomi, :D
[20:13] <SergioMeneses> I see
[20:13] <SergioMeneses> thomi, \o
[20:13] <thomi> o/
[20:14] <balloons> SergioMeneses, not exactly.. I had just asked if it was supported..at the moment, the focus is on manual testing and finishing up putting out raring ;-)
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( no autopilot fun :'(
[20:16] <balloons> but yes it's something we might want to help with.. the core apps authors seem to be adopting it themselves
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, there's always time for fun!
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I'm just joking :D
[20:16] <balloons> :-p
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ok ok
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> this update will take me all day... /o\
[21:14] <Noskcaj> can someone run the netboot, ppc and xubuntu beta 2 images, they need to be run
[21:44] <phillw> SergioMeneses once the brassero test case is posted up, I'll ask the L-QA people to have a look at it. Don't worry, perfectionists they may appear at times, but friendly people they also are :)
[21:46] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ok! :)
[22:45] <phillw> hi jbicha I have moved my mirror of U-G entry from 'daily' to beta-1 so that the zsync programme uses it. Once the beta-2 is mirrored up, I will delete that entry.
[22:46] <jbicha> phillw: thanks, did you want to mention that on the ubuntu-gnome list too?
[22:52] <phillw> jbicha: done
[22:58]  * SergioMeneses is using ubuntu 13.04 :)


[12:02] <artnay_> I know that feeling... after that you should real all MLs, usenet, bbs, irc logs, akregator feeds etc.
[12:03] <artnay_> after you've read, umh, a couple of hundred articles, you get this feeling that you should bang your head into a wall x)
[12:03] <artnay_> no, seriously....
[12:04] <artnay_> I had over 8000 unread akregator articles waiting... I gave up and only read the most active ones
[12:05] <artnay_> hehe, been there done that
[12:05] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal
[12:05] <mhz> hehehe
[12:06] <artnay_> isn't that a bit too restrictive to others? I mean, it's not like we three are the only ones interested in that
[12:06] <mhz> artnay: and I am now on my way to dinner and still have not done anything other than reading :)
[12:07] <artnay_> have a good one
[12:08] <mhz> hhehe, sorry
[12:08] <mhz> artnay: that wiki page can be edited BY anyone
[12:08] <mhz> so it is not restrictive
[12:09] <artnay_> so which proposal should me edited? or create a new one?
[12:09] <mhz> my proposal was a 'txt kind' so everyone would read it
[12:09] <artnay_> I was just suggesting that we should have one common structure which could be discussed here
[12:09] <mhz> so, feel free to either edit under your 'subtitle' or heading
[12:10] <mhz> of course
[12:10] <artnay_> I guess the first time I said that was... before NYE? :O
[12:10] <mhz> it is just that was in my head so I put it there
[12:10] <artnay_> anyways, there doesn't seem to be much interest going on :(
[12:10] <mhz> that was one of my points
[12:10] <artnay_> it's good you put it there!
[12:11] <mhz> in the end, 3 or 5 people do all the stuff for everyone
[12:11] <mhz> or others just work in a non-collaborative way
[12:11] <mhz> artnay: I will have to leave now and hope to be back in 2 hours
[12:13] <artnay_> it's 01:13 AM here, I have to get some sleep soon. I'll be back in ~6,5 hours (back to work)
[12:13] <artnay_> so let's have a chat then
[06:33] <Tm_T> artnay_: you can't chat from work! I wonder if your boss will pay me for some reveals...
[06:38] <mhz> lol
[09:25] <artnay_> Tm_T: heheh, I already signed off so it really doesn't matter
[09:25] <Tm_T> muha
[09:25] <artnay_> I overslept a bit, 3,5 hours late... :|
[09:25] <Tm_T> haha
[09:26] <artnay_> that reminds me of this song... weezer - buddy holly
[09:26] <artnay_> I could sing it here: "I don't care about that!" D: :D
[09:28] <Tm_T> =)
[09:55] <artnay_> some AUC whining: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=115183
[10:18] <artnay_> klepas:
[11:26] <klepas> hey artnay_
[11:29] <artnay_> so, the next meeting
[11:30] <artnay_> we should update wiki, but I really have no idea of dates
[11:30] <artnay_> after LCA, then we should have more information
[11:30] <artnay_> but which date?
[11:30] <artnay_> date(s) for voting process
[11:32] <artnay_> get. something. done. :>
[11:36] <artnay_> the end of Jan would be suitable
[11:36] <artnay_> then Andy has released his icon set, LCA has been held and by then we should get an official statement
[11:36] <artnay_> what do you think?
[11:37] <klepas> I vote for february 1st
[11:37] <klepas> for a good day
[11:38] <artnay_> actually I changed my ISP and therefore I might be without a connection for a week or so
[11:39] <klepas> :(
[11:39] <artnay_> but it really doesn't matter if we manage to get enough people online
[11:39] <artnay_> I'd give mine vote for 26th
[11:40] <artnay_> but 1st is a good option, too.
[11:40] <artnay_> should there be one day of weekend covered as well?
[11:41] <klepas> during the 26th both andy and i will be at LCA
[11:41] <klepas> in facty
[11:41] <klepas> both of us will be at the AGM of LA
[11:41] <artnay_> oh, so it takes at least three days then
[11:42] <artnay_> I wasn't aware of that
[11:42] <artnay_> so it's out of question
[11:42] <klepas> pretty much
[11:42] <klepas> any people part of LA will probably be at the conference
[11:42] <klepas> and if not
[11:42] <klepas> trying to be at the AGM
[11:42] <klepas> LCA goes till the 30th
[11:42] <artnay_> and after that one needs to get some sleep...
[11:42] <klepas> the 31st is a wee bit early, m'thinks
[11:42] <artnay_> :)
[11:43] <klepas> so the 1st or the 2nd of February would be dandy :)
[11:43] <artnay_> yeah, on the 31st we should gather that information
[11:43] <artnay_> 1st, 2nd and 4th?
[11:43] <artnay_> those would be the three options, is it ok?
[11:43] <klepas> yep
[11:44] <klepas> but still before college begins
[11:44] <klepas> because that will keep me busy
[11:44] <klepas> :)
[11:44] <klepas> done
[11:44] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/subtango
[11:46] <artnay_> http://tango-project.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/actions/mail-mark-junk.png
[11:46] <artnay_> oh, something brown x)
[11:48] <klepas> that looks really nice :)
[11:48] <artnay_> so the meeting date has to be decided before, umh, 25th?
[11:49] <klepas> sounds okay
[11:49] <artnay_> damn, can't remember password for my launchpad account... :)
[11:50] <artnay_> could you update it? :o
[11:50] <klepas> which page?
[11:50] <artnay_> meeting
[11:50] <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting
[11:50] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting
[11:50] <klepas> :)
[11:51] <klepas> 5 minutes
[11:51] <artnay_> thanks, I have to retrieve my password
[11:51] <klepas> np
[11:52] <artnay_> so when /ArtWork and its contect will be as a one category, are we able to do something similiar to "grep -i Artwork [WWW]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges" ?
[11:55] <klepas> yep
[11:55] <klepas> iirc
[11:55] <artnay_> so let's categorize it asap ;p
[11:55] <klepas> okay
[11:56] <artnay_> oh, I can't edit ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal either
[11:56] <klepas> i'm afraid i won't have a whole heap of time
[11:56] <klepas> work, LCA and then college life begins
[11:57] <artnay_> I don't know should I type ":)" or ":("
[11:57] <klepas> yea
[11:57] <klepas> not much i can do
[11:57] <klepas> lol
[11:57] <klepas> http://www.flickr.com/photos/86444323%40N00/81971182/
[11:57] <artnay_> no prob, you do what you can
[11:57] <artnay_> that's pretty much what we've done so far
[11:57] <klepas> might not be work safe though.
[11:58] <artnay_> "hey mam, I'm here!"
[11:21] <artnay_> hey
[11:21] <artnay_> dammit!
[11:21] <artnay_> you must have some script, mhz!


[00:53] <xubuntu514> hi. can anyone give me a few hints? I'm unable to install xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10. In the menu, when selecting "Try without install" or "Install", I get a black screen and system hangs.
[00:53] <xubuntu514> trying to install from a bootable cd.
[00:55] <David-A> How long did you wait before giving up? I think hardware detecting sometimes can take long time. What if you unplug usb-devices that is not needed?
[01:03] <Slash0mega2> hello, i was wondering if there was a way to install a persistant live usb without having it popup "want to boot live or install" every time i start it up.
[02:20] <keithclark_> I'm trying to install xubuntu but I cannot seem to get my touchpad to work.  Any ideas?
[03:08] <xubuntu453> hi
[03:08] <xubuntu453> can you install xubuntu alongside windows?
[03:09] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu453:  sure, that's called a dual boot
[03:09] <well_laid_lawn> !dualboot
[04:02] <keithclark_> sorry, how to burn a usb stick?
[04:03] <Unit193> !usb
[04:03] <Unit193> I'd use LinuxLiveUSB creator if I were on Windows.
[04:04] <keithclark_> I'm on Ubuntu
[04:04] <bazhang> the hybrid iso you could dd or even cat > usb stick
[04:05] <keithclark_> bazhang, in english please
[04:05] <bazhang> and 12.10 *is* hybrid
[04:05] <bazhang> keithclark_, manpages.ubuntu.com   look for cat
[04:06] <Unit193> You can always check to see if it is by running  fdisk -l path/to/iso  as the output is a partition table.
[04:06] <keithclark_> sorry, I need easier instructions, thanks.
[04:06] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/dd
[04:07] <bazhang> nothing easier than using cat on that one
[04:17] <Cheri703> keithclark_: try the startup disk creator
[04:25] <dydzEz2_> wtf
[04:26] <dydzEz2_>  theres like 100gigs of my SSD i cant shrink of the partition
[04:26] <dydzEz2_> what do you do with SSDs? you dont defrag them
[04:48] <dydzEz2_> im installing xubuntu atm, i shrinked the w8 OS partition and have 55GB allocated to nothing, the option "Install Xubuntu alongside Windows 8"-- will that install into that free space i just got from the srhink?
[04:49] <holstein> dydzEz2_: thats what i would expect
[04:50] <holstein> the installer should be offering to resize or whatever.. but you dont.. you can just fill the empty space with ubuntu automatically
[04:50] <holstein> dydzEz2_: if you are unsure, take screenshots or pictures and post them for clarification
[04:51] <holstein> OR, search for images of the installer online
[04:51] <holstein> dydzEz2_: i would not do *any* resizing like that without having my data backed up, and my windows installation disc
[04:51] <dydzEz2_> its a laptop
[04:51] <dydzEz2_> so i have the recovery partitions
[04:52] <dydzEz2_> and i did make images of my windows just in case
[04:52] <dydzEz2_> but i remember you could install ubuntu WITHIN windows
[04:52] <holstein> dydzEz2_: that hard drive will fail, so the image is better than tursting the recovery partitions
[04:52] <dydzEz2_> and im wondering if "Install Xubuntu alongside Windows 8" is that
[04:52] <holstein> dydzEz2_: "install alongside" is not wubi
[04:53] <dydzEz2_> wubi?
[04:53] <holstein> !wubi
[04:53] <dydzEz2_> oh
[04:53] <holstein> thats installing "within" or at least, thats what i thought you were talking about
[04:54] <holstein> the filesystem is inside windows...
[04:54] <holstein> its not using its own partition
[04:54] <holstein> you are asking the installer to use the empty space for actual linux partitions
[04:55] <dydzEz2_> so it will shrink the windows 8 partition automatically?
[04:55] <dydzEz2_> and make its partitions?
[04:56] <holstein> dydzEz2_: it (assuming you are talking about the installer) will do as you ask
[04:56] <holstein> if you ask it to shrink, it will
[04:56] <dydzEz2_> ok
[04:56] <dydzEz2_> i pre-shrinked it
[04:56] <holstein> if you ask it to "install alongside" and you dont shrink, then it (the installer) will use the empty space
[04:56] <dydzEz2_> imma just go back and un-shrink the partition and do it through xubuntu
[04:57] <holstein> dydzEz2_: i wouldnt
[04:57] <dydzEz2_> oh
[04:57] <dydzEz2_> i see
[04:57] <holstein> i would just setup on the empty space
[04:57] <dydzEz2_> so pick the "Something Else" option?
[04:57] <holstein> dydzEz2_: or along side, and dont resize anymore
[04:58] <holstein> dydzEz2_: it'll come up with a slider, and just dont slide it
[04:58] <holstein> OR
[04:58] <holstein> so something else, and make a / and a swap
[04:59] <dydzEz2_> ill just kept what i have shrunk and do "alongside" so it installs in the empty space i made
[04:59] <holstein> thats what i would do, and what i think you are looking for
[04:59] <dydzEz2_> is going to use grub
[05:00] <holstein> !grub
[05:00] <holstein> dydzEz2_: you dont have to, but grub will boot your windows install... the windows bootloader wont easily boot linux
[05:02] <dydzEz2_> i clicked alongside while having the freespace, but no slider came up
[05:02] <dydzEz2_> and its installing
[05:03] <holstein> dydzEz2_: then, enjoy the alongside option you have chosen
[05:04] <dydzEz2_> aka xubuntu being in the freespace
[05:04] <dydzEz2_> i created by shrinking my w8 os partition
[05:15] <dydzEz2_> oh wow i got scared for a minute
[05:15] <dydzEz2_> it wasnt loadng grub
[05:15] <dydzEz2_> thats because it was loading the "windows 8 loader"
[05:17] <dydzEz2_> does xubuntu take up like 25 GB, i have 33GB free after the install on a 55GB partition
[05:20] <holstein> dydzEz2_: no
[05:20] <holstein> dydzEz2_: it takes up like 5 or 6 maybe
[05:31] <dydzEz2_> well that failed
[05:31] <dydzEz2_> the windows 8 loader doesnt work anymore and windows 8 just doesnt load
[05:31] <dydzEz2_> i guess the "alongside with windows 8" may need some tweaking lol
[05:32] <dydzEz2_> i guess lenovo had some special windows boot manager and grub interrupted
[05:50] <dydzEz2_>  thats so annoying, i have to configure the BIOS to load Windows 8 automatically as its first choice, then for me to load xubuntu I have to press f12 and choose the actual HD as my bootup device since windows 8 has its seperate boot-up
[05:50] <dydzEz2_> in other words i cant use grub for windows 8 boot up
[06:26] <dydzEz2_> xubuntu just started loading a black screen when I hit it after a while messing with the BIOS settngs for booting it up
[06:27] <dydzEz2_> oh it may have been damages when lenovo tried to diagnose windows 8  because of the boot processs
[07:48] <dydzEz2_> im re-installing xubuntu, i didnt shrink my partition this time as imma let the installer do it
[07:48] <dydzEz2_> when im dragging for space, there are 2 boxes
[07:48] <dydzEz2_>  is the left side the space xubuntu will be installed on
[08:50] <freedomrun> is it possible to stop Thunar displaying PDF thumbnails?
[09:12] <donnie> I'm starting to run sluggish. All I have open is Chrome, and audacious. How come I'm freezing up, and my fan goes into crazy mode?
[12:16] <xubuntu037> hi there. can someone help me out? I just tried installing 12.04 in a raid 0, and grub install failed
[12:16] <xubuntu037> something else must be wrong, because I can't boot the os even using the systemrecovery cd
[12:17] <xubuntu037> are there any known issues with raid install?
[12:19] <baizon> xubuntu037: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43036/how-do-i-install-grub-on-a-raid-system-installation
[12:19] <baizon> "Instead, you should make a small (1MB) partition on each disk and RAID them together and set it as a GRUB boot partition (I'm not sure of the actual name). Set up your other RAID partitions (e.g. swap and /) and then the GRUB installer should find the boot area just fine."
[12:19] <baizon> thats whats worked for me
[12:21] <xubuntu037> thanks baizon, I'll look into it
[13:02] <TTM> Good Morning
[13:02] <TTM> how is everyone doing?
[13:03] <TTM> Is anyone available to help me with the installation of xubuntu? I ran into a few problems
[13:06] <alegen> what kind of problems?
[16:33] <IdleOne> xubuntu273: Please don't randomly PM people, if you need help ask here in the channel and if someone is able they will be glad to help you.
[16:44] <xubuntu505> Hi,my xubuntu boots into black screen. I've threads about it but it doesn't help. I can run ubuntu with nomodeset and end up in a terminal session. on startup it  the fallback graphics device is failed. Now i dont know what to do. I'd be really happy if someone could help. Thanks
[16:47] <baizon> xubuntu505: http://askubuntu.com/questions/225207/ubuntu-install-black-screen-nomodeset-not-working
[16:48] <baizon> xubuntu505: or you can try to install gdm
[16:49] <baizon> i've fixed the problem by installing the proprietary drivers
[16:50] <xubuntu505> sounds good, I am very new to Linux, can you tell me how to do this?
[16:52] <baizon> xubuntu505: http://askubuntu.com/questions/225207/ubuntu-install-black-screen-nomodeset-not-working
[16:54] <xubuntu505> I'll try that thanks!
[16:55] <baizon> np
[16:57] <dstaubsauger> hi, is there a way to emulate middle click and scroll wheel using an old 2-button-ps/2 mouse? (something along the lines of right-click-drag etc)
[16:59] <baizon> dstaubsauger: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=993665
[17:03] <bcgrown> I'm running Xubuntu 12.04 and Thunar segfaults every time i try to mount and/or open a USB drive (the SD card in my Android phone).  The drive is accessible via command line at /media/usb
[17:03] <bcgrown> output of "dmesg |grep thunar" :  [  675.297412] thunar[3159]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fde90fa0208 sp 00007fff716af8b0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3200.3[7fde90f2f000+f2000]
[17:07] <baizon> bcgrown: have you tried to clean the .cache folder?
[17:08] <baizon> or reset the thunar settings
[17:08] <dstaubsauger> hm segfault is always a bug, isn't it?
[17:08] <bcgrown> baizon: i'll try that now
[17:10] <bcgrown> baizon: I removed .cache/Thunar and .config/Thunar and no change.  do I need to restart xfce for the change to take effect though?
[17:10] <baizon> bcgrown: yes
[17:11] <bcgrown> mm ok i'll brb.  in the mean time here's the command line output : http://pastebin.com/MQuxfr1s
[17:15] <bcgrown> baizon: that appears to have fixed it.  but it still shows the volume label "ANDROID" in the sidebar and the path "/media/usb0" in the location bar.  weird.
[17:16] <bcgrown> only gives me read only access though.  everything is owned by root:root
[17:23] <bcgrown> hmm xfce volume management seems to be the culprit.  as soon as i turned on "Mount removable media when hot-plugged"  the same thing happened again
[17:28] <baizon> bcgrown: what version of xubuntu?
[17:30] <bcgrown> baizon: 12.04.1
[17:34] <baizon> maybe you can ask it on #xfce
[17:35] <bcgrown> tried there first, no response
[17:36] <bcgrown> thinking maybe i should file a bug report
[20:21] <kyle__> Running xubuntu-12.10 on kvm, I can't login graphically until I do an update.  It just cycles through back to the login screen immediately.  Anyone else experience this?
[20:24] <Queen`Bee> not me
[20:29] <kyle__> Queen`Bee: Did you run it on KVM, with virtio devices & the default (cirrus logic I think?) video card?
[20:38] <Queen`Bee> have you tried in #kvm ?
[20:42] <kyle__> Queen`Bee: Not yet, but honestly, this looks more like a xubuntu bug than a KVM bug.
[20:43] <Queen`Bee> yeah i set it up with virtio n cirrus, i have proposed updates enabled
[20:45] <dierot> Hey hey!! I need help to fade in and fade out video playback on vlc??
[20:45] <Queen`Bee> fade between clips?
[20:50] <Queen`Bee> apparently it doesnt do that but there are some plugins that claim to
[20:52] <dierot> yes, crossfade between clips and fade in on start and fade out on stop.
[20:57] <xyzone> crossfading video? that's too much
[21:12] <dierot> anything in the repo that can do crossfade? of fade in fade out?
[22:08] <GridCube> mixxx?
[22:08] <GridCube> oh... one hour late
[23:04] <RogueShadow> I don't think I'll ever get over being able to install an OS and being able to use it at the same time.
[23:10] <GridCube> :D
[23:10] <keithclark_> I have a netbook with a hardrive that has a lot of errors on it.  I want to do a fresh install of xubuntu.  Is there a way to do a low level format of the hard drive and install?
[23:12] <keithclark_> I can boot to xubuntu on a usb stick
[23:16] <keithclark_> I have a hard time believing that this hard drive is bad
[23:16] <GridCube> !format
[23:17] <keithclark_> Ok, that did nothing for me.
[23:17] <keithclark_> I want help, not google
[23:19] <Unit193> That's not google, it's a link to the wiki that has good info on it.


[18:45] <hjd> Hi all. It looks like autopkg tests aren't run by the PPA builders (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/246354). Is this still the case, and is there any plans to change it in the future?
[18:48] <dobey> indeed it is still the case and i don't think there are any concrete plans to change that
[18:56] <hjd> hm, ok :/ That does explain why I couldn't get it to run.
[18:59] <hjd> Ok, so we have a program with a small testsuite which basically runs the programs (which requires X btw), loads some data, runs for a while and assert on the behaviour/output. Any suggestions on how we could run with our daily builds in a PPA, if at all? I looked some into autopkg test now which seemed to be the correct/preferred way to run tests when building a package but that turned out to not work.
[19:00] <dobey> i would suggest not running anythign beyond standard unit tests during build of the package in a PPA
[19:02] <dobey> if you need to run complex integration tests like that, autopkgtest would be the right way to do it. you could run them locally under qemu or such either after the packages build in the PPA, or prior to being uploaded
[19:15] <hjd> I see.
[19:15] <hjd> dobey: Thanks for answering my questions :)
[19:47] <mapreri> hjd: or you can set up some sort of CI on your own (a simple jenkins setup is not that hard), but you'd need hardware.
[19:53] <shadeslayer> hjd: I was told that autopkgtests were coming to PPA's (selectively probably), but no timeline was provided
[20:50] <igalic> so i just asked the author of tarsnap if its okay to publish binaries of his software, and he said its fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/cperciva/status/568146119730933760 - the only q left: is it fine w/ launchpad?
[20:52] <BarnabasDK> igalic, as I remember it you are prompted to choose your license when creating a new launchpad project
[20:53] <BarnabasDK> the license of the software you mention must be compatible I guess
[20:53] <igalic> *nod*
[21:04] <dobey> what is tarsnap
[21:04] <dobey> tarsnap is open source
[21:05] <dobey> isn't it?
[21:07] <dobey> the license explicitly allows redistribution of unmodified source in source or binary form
[21:07] <dobey> weird
[21:07] <dobey> an odd license, but it's explicit
[21:12] <cjwatson> It's not DFSG-free, but the no-derivatives rule is probably not any worse than e.g. CC BY-NC-ND which is explicitly permitted
[21:13] <cjwatson> Just make sure that the licence permits the addition of packaging rules, which could be considered a modification in some ways
[21:15] <cjwatson> (I haven't read the licence text)
[21:41] <dobey> cjwatson: license is basically "you can redistribute this in source or binary form, without modification"
[21:42] <dobey> and a bunch of all-caps about no warranty
[21:44] <dobey> cjwatson: i don't think the DFSG-free requirement is there for PPAs. only for project registration without buying the commercial support, in LP. iirc, PPA rule is "must be allowed to redistribute"
[21:44] <dobey> no?
[21:44] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse has the details
[21:45] <cjwatson> DFSG-compliant makes it easy, but as I said above, it also lists CC BY-NC-ND
[21:45] <cjwatson> so as long as the modifications inherent in packaging don't violate the licence, it's probably fine
[21:46] <dobey> anyway, it seems fine to make some packaging for it, assuming no modification is required to the source itself
[21:48] <dobey> oh, almost thought the 'restricted' policy covered it, but i see that requires explicit permission to modify code (even if only via patches)


[07:18] <alourie> good morning
[20:36] <highvoltage> so...
[20:42] <highvoltage> newsletter? :)
[23:12] <akgraner> I haven't seen any wiki changes so just checking to see what sections still need some hands on them
[23:13] <nhandler> akgraner, highvoltage: We'll be having the Team Reports in this issue (I meant to have them included last week, but different issues prevented that)
[23:13] <akgraner> nhandler, yep I left that section in 218
[23:13] <akgraner> thanks for handling that
[23:14] <akgraner> I'll email lizar and make sure he knows where we are at for stats etc