 I dont have to use it
[19:56] <jck77> * I dont have time to use it
[20:12] <maxolasersquad> jck77: It is pretty crappy, but I'm pretty sure Google went in knowing this kind of thing was inevitable.
[20:12] <maxolasersquad> I've got one btw.
[20:14] <Chloric> good afternoon
[20:15] <maxolasersquad> Chloric: Howdy
[20:15] <Chloric> hey maxolaser!
[20:16] <Chloric> when is the next community IRC meeting?
[20:31] <maxolasersquad> Chloric: Have you checked the wiki?
[20:31] <Chloric> not lately. so busy with projects
[20:31] <Chloric> i havent even been on IRC in a month at best
[20:35] <Chloric> alright, awesome, theres one on the 8th
[20:55] <mhall119> Chloric: the next florida team meeting?
[21:07] <Chloric> Yeah, its the 8th. i just checked
[21:07] <Chloric> whats up mhall? i hear youre swamped
[21:10] <mhall119> swamped?
[21:11] <mhall119> not much more than usual
[21:12] <Chloric> oh, just a tid-bit i read about putting qimo on the back burner for the moment
[21:13] <mhall119> Chloric: qimo is still being worked on, the charity is on the back burner
[21:14] <mhall119> though I'll admmit, I haven't worked on qimo in 2 months
[21:14] <Chloric> oh =/ that sucks
[21:14] <mhall119> :(
[21:14] <Chloric> i'm trying to raise money myself ><
[21:15] <Chloric> its a pain
[23:41] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: applied yet?


[04:59] <pitti> Good morning
[05:26] <Mirv> morning
[06:12] <didrocks> good morning
[06:42] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:42] <didrocks> good morning pitti, how are you?
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: splendid, thanks! yourself?
[06:43] <didrocks> pitti: I'm ok. Hoping that one day UTAH can successfully provides an image. 100% of failure since last Thursday (not counting Monday due to the snow storm and datacenter down)
[06:43] <didrocks> so blocking all daily releases…
[06:45] <pitti> :(
[06:59] <kenvandine> good morning didrocks
[07:00] <didrocks> kenvandine: good… evening? still awaken, what are you doing dude? :-)
[07:00] <robru> didrocks, I think ken is channelling my insomnia tonight ;-)
[07:00] <didrocks> robru: I think we shouldn't pair both of you thinking about it ;-)
[07:00] <kenvandine> couldn't sleep until i knew the friends tests passed on armhf again
[07:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: ahah, and it's ok now? :)
[07:01] <kenvandine> all good now... i should sleep :)
[07:01] <robru> kenvandine, but those were fixed two hours ago ;-)
[07:01] <kenvandine> yeah yeah...
[07:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: hope you didn't add all your sleep() in the tests and none is left for you!
[07:01] <kenvandine> hehe
[07:01] <robru> didrocks, lol
[07:02] <didrocks> guys, it's 8am here now, I've already starting working one hour ago, I expect normally just to see a pitti around :-)
[07:03] <robru> didrocks, but if I signed off at a normal time, I would never get to talk to you!
[07:03] <didrocks> robru: heh, indeed :-) btw, what time the team meeting is for you? We can maybe move it so that you can attend
[07:04] <robru> didrocks, it is at 8:30 AM for me usually... it is quite early for me, I normally wake up at 11AM ;-)
[07:04] <kenvandine> well i am going to stop hacking and get some sleep... i'll be back in a few hours :)
[07:04] <didrocks> kenvandine: enjoy!
[07:04] <robru> kenvandine, gnight
[07:04] <didrocks> robru: well, basically, it's a cause-consequence of signing off late :-)
[07:05] <robru> didrocks, yeah, it's true... but I do my best work from 6PM to 2AM ;-)
[07:05] <didrocks> robru: coders being active at night, rings a bell to me :-)
[07:05] <didrocks> only doing that on my pet projects on week-end though ;)
[07:14] <dpm> good morning desktop people
[07:14] <didrocks> hey dpm, how are you?
[07:15] <pitti> hey dpm, how are you?
[07:15] <dpm> hey didrocks, pitti, very well, slowly waking up, and how are you guys?
[07:15] <pitti> dpm: very well, thanks
[07:15] <didrocks> dpm: I'm ok, thanks :)
[07:15] <dpm> super :)
[07:16] <didrocks> dpm: FYI, we have already a lot of Qt5 components in raring, Mirv is finishing up qtwebkit and then will go on qtcreator. This will enable us to have the sdk then in the distro :)
[07:16] <pitti> dpm: do you know when we'll get raring langpack exports?
[07:16] <dpm> didrocks, yeah, that's pretty awesome
[07:19] <dpm> pitti, unfortunately I haven't had time to look into that, I've spent nearly no time on translations this cycle :/. I need to set the export times and request the cron job to be changed in Launchpad. But it's been too long without langpacks, I'll do it this evening.
[07:19] <pitti> dpm: ah, cheers
[08:17] <marga> RAOF, ping?
[08:39] <RAOF> marga: Yo!
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> good morning
[08:40] <RAOF> marga: So, I've read your bug. I'd guess it's an interaction between gdm & mutter; lock screen & screensaver responsibilities have been getting rejigged.
[08:41] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:41] <RAOF> marga: Another option might be to apitrace mutter; that should at least tell you what mutter *thinks* it's drawing.
[08:42] <marga> all my tests were with lightdm
[08:42] <marga> I didn't even think of testing with gdm...
[08:42] <RAOF> That's probably your problem; gnome-shell no longer handles the screen lock, IIRC.
[08:42] <RAOF> Or something like that.
[08:43]  * RAOF → dinner
[08:43] <marga> ok, then I can test this with gdm
[08:43] <seb128> marga, hey, what's the issue?
[08:43] <marga> Assuming it doesn't fail with gdm and fails with lightdm, how should I proceed?
[08:44] <marga> seb128, blue screen on the left screen when using two screens, and a pop up happens during a screen lock
[08:45] <seb128> under gnome-shell? is the right screen locked correctly?
[08:45] <seb128> what ubuntu serie? precise?
[08:45] <marga> reproducible in gnome and cinnamon, but not unity, regardless of the screensaver (gnome and x)
[08:45] <marga> precise, yes
[08:46] <seb128> gdm doesn't do screen locking yet in that serie
[08:46] <BigWhale> Good morning everyone.
[08:46] <seb128> seems like a gnome-shell/mutter issue to me
[08:47] <seb128> marga, similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1061787 (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-slOE3M9ABEA/UGyt0TmoHlI/AAAAAAAADwU/QaqxfZjplzM/s800/photo.JPG)?
[08:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1061787 in Ubuntu "Dual Monitor Lock Screen Dialog Hidden" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:48] <marga> OH, I had pasted some bugs
[08:48] <marga> but yes, it's that bug
[08:48] <marga> also, graphics card doesn't matter, intel, nvidia, different models, reproducible any time you have 2 screens.
[08:50] <marga> I'm guessing this is probably reported like 10 times on different packages, because nobody knows which is the right package.
[08:51] <marga> Now, I will test this with gdm, I'll be away a few minutes
[08:51] <seb128> marga, ok
[08:52] <seb128> marga, could be the same as https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662757
[08:52] <ubot2> Gnome bug 662757 in general "Gnome-Shell lock screen does not always display password prompt" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[09:02] <marga> Ok, I've tested it with gdm, and the issue is still there.  Even worse, the parent window of the popup appears on top of the blue
[09:06] <marga> seb128, I think it's something related to mutter/clutter, but that's something that's quite different between gnome and cinnamon.  I wasn't able to find the common factor.
[09:07] <seb128> marga, yeah, the gdm angle would make sense for >= quantal where the screen locking is done by gdm but you are on precise, I'm not surprised that didn't make a difference
[09:08] <seb128> marga, cinnamon is quite different but it's a fork of gnome-shell and most of the underlining rendering techs are the same, I doubt they changed rendering in there, they are more interested by UI/worflow changes
[09:09] <seb128> marga, did you try asking about the issue on #gnome-hackers (mention that you use g-s 3.4.1 if you ask there)
[09:09] <Laney> hey
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> good, had a lot of pancakes last night ;-)
[09:09] <Laney> you?
[09:10] <seb128> I'm good thanks ;-)
[09:10] <marga> seb128, I haven't.  I have been trying to first find which program is the failing one, before asking.
[09:10] <marga> is that here, or in gnome's irc?
[09:10] <seb128> marga, it seems pretty likely that the issue is with clutter/mutter/gnome-shell at this point
[09:10] <seb128> marga, on irc.gnome.org
[09:11] <marga> ok, will ask there
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, it seems the uk are pretty big on pancake for that day ... is it call pancake day?
[09:12] <Laney> yeah, but the formal name is shrove tuesday
[09:13] <seb128> ok
[09:13] <seb128> we usually makes fritters here (at least in my corner of France, could be a German thing)
[09:14] <Laney> it is a tradition i fully support :P
[09:14] <seb128> didrocks will probably tell us that real France does it differently :p
[09:14] <Laney> ah, for the same reason though?
[09:14] <seb128> yes
[09:14] <Laney> eating rich foods before lent
[09:14] <seb128> it's just fritters instead of pancakes
[09:14]  * didrocks backlogs in a sec, after some busy chats :p
[09:14] <seb128> pancakes are not really a french thing afaik
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrove_Tuesday
[09:16] <Laney> yeah you have crepes ;-)
[09:16] <seb128> they mention it's fat tuesday for us :p
[09:18] <didrocks> we have also la "chandeleur" for crepes
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, do you eat beignets for mardi gras?
[09:23] <didrocks> seb128: I never eat beignets, waffles/crêpes :)
[09:23] <didrocks> well, not this year, I finished late working…
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, well, is beignets the traditional mardi gras food in paris/lyon?
[09:24] <didrocks> but normally, it's more those 2 in real part of France :)
[09:24] <seb128> I'm just wondering if that's a german thing
[09:24] <didrocks> so waffles/crêpes
[09:24] <seb128> right, what I though
[09:24] <didrocks> I would say german thing :)
[09:24] <seb128> \o/
[09:25] <seb128> marga, not so much luck on #gnome-hackers, it might be a bit early still for europeans and very early or very late for the U.S... let's see maybe somebody will reply in a while
[09:25] <seb128> marga, I will pick it up and try to get infos if that happens after you left
[09:26] <marga> Yes, I have no problem waiting.
[09:26]  * mlankhorst is awake! Oui!
[09:26] <seb128> mlankhorst, good morning ;-)
[09:26] <marga> I don't have an irc proxy for gnome, though, so I'll have to disconnect when I leave the office.
[09:26] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:26] <marga> I hope I get some reply before that.
[09:26] <mlankhorst> but seriously if I'm awake for about an hour or 2 now it can't be early for europeans
[09:26] <mlankhorst> :P
[09:26] <seb128> marga, where are you based?
[09:27] <marga> As I said, I've been chasing this for months, so it's not terrible to wait for other people to come online
[09:27] <marga> seb128, Munich
[09:27] <seb128> marga, seems already tz wise to still be around for some time ;-)
[09:27] <seb128> already->alright
[09:27]  * seb128 needs coffee
[09:43] <jibel> seb128, the leak in g-s-d, bug 1123930
[09:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1123930 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "memleak in plugins/orientation/gsd-orientation-manager.c" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123930
[09:45] <seb128> jibel, thanks a lot for tracking it down
[09:45] <seb128> why am I not surprised, yet another bug coming from a distro patch
[09:49] <marga> :-/
[10:13] <seb128> Sweetshark, well done on getting libreoffice4 uploaded
[10:16] <seb128> Sweetshark, seems to depwait on libmspub-dev ... did you open a MIR for that lib, I didn't find one
[10:17] <seb128> Sweetshark, same for libcdr and libvisio
[10:53] <seb128> Laney, sessioninstaller on new techs \o/
[10:53] <Laney> \o/ indeed
[10:53] <Laney> it's still python 2 though
[10:54] <seb128> is there any port blocker? or just nobody got to it yet?
[10:54] <Laney> xapian i think
[10:56] <seb128> of course, xapian, what else...
[10:59] <Laney> barry was looking into it I believe but came up against that
[10:59] <Laney> don't hold your breath
[11:39] <seb128> dpm, hey, can you approve https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/gnome-control-center-unity/+imports ?
[11:40] <dpm> hey seb128, done
[11:40] <seb128> dpm, thanks ;-)
[12:47] <seb128> Laney, cool, the guy already replied with a postive comment on the gst SRU
[12:47] <seb128> Laney, I guess you can tag it and upload yours ;-)
[12:47] <Laney> good stuff
[12:59] <Sweetshark> seb128: bug 1124074, bug 1124082 and bug 1124092. dammit, I thought I did that along with the sync requests.
[12:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124074 in libcdr (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libcdr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124074
[12:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124082 in libmspub (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmspub" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124082
[12:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124092 in libvisio (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libvisio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124092
[13:34] <rvgate> How come my unity-2d session still has animations when switching windows and workspaces? :/ i thought that wasnt available on unity-2d
[13:57] <seb128> dpm, do you have any magic to wave https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/gnome-control-center-unity/+imports those in?
[13:58] <seb128> dpm, I reuploade the g-c-c .po files updated to restore existing translations under the new domain by uploading a tarball with the .pot and the .po set
[13:58] <seb128> dpm, but stupid launchpad decided to put them on hold for review
[13:59] <seb128> dpm, I can't be bothered to go through 120 pages to just pick a domain and click approve though ;-)
[14:00] <seb128> well, and to be fair it's all mterry's fault, he's clearly a non-american-speakers hater
[14:00]  * mterry clearly signed on too early
[14:00] <mterry> seb128, is this the dh-translations fix?  thanks for that
[14:00] <seb128> mterry, hey! ;-)
[14:01]  * ogra_ notes down "mterry ar fault"
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, part of, I imported the g-c-c .po stack in rosetta after a make update-po in g-c-c-unity to recover translations
[14:01] <ogra_> *at
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, but stupid launchpad wants those to be manually valided before being important, I was checking with dpm if he has magic for that
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, I don't want to click-click-click through 100 import pages
[14:02] <mterry> seb128, how come part of the translations were coming through?
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, oh, thanks for pointing it out
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, I guess there is a code bug and it's loading those from the g-c-c domain
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, we need to fix the code to use g-c-c-unity
[14:03] <mterry> seb128, heyo, when you make changes to an autolanding trunk, you don't need to modify debian/changelog.
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, do you mind dropping that bit, and I can approve?
[14:04] <seb128> mterry, I was not sure if it was autolanding, changelog version is not having a daily*
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, it should be...  didrocks, g-c-c-unity is autolanding now right?
[14:04] <GunnarHj> pitti: ping?
[14:05] <seb128> mterry, he said it is, I pinged after sending the mr though
[14:05] <pitti> hey GunnarHj, how are you?
[14:05] <GunnarHj> pitti: I'm fine, thanks. Hope you are as well.
[14:05] <seb128> mterry, you want me to drop the changelog part then?
[14:05] <GunnarHj> pitti: Is the fix of bug 37707 safe enough for a Precise SRU?
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 37707 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "language-selector should not uninstall packages without a warning (allow opt-out)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37707
[14:07] <seb128> mterry, I will fix the gettext domain stuff as well ... want it in the same MR?
[14:08] <mterry> seb128, please drop the changelog part, yeah.  Sure, throw it in there
[14:08] <seb128> in fact ignore that
[14:08] <seb128> I don't see what's wrong
[14:08] <pitti> GunnarHj: yes, I think it is; adding a precise task
[14:08] <seb128> I though it was because your trunk was missing a config.h to define PACKAGE
[14:09] <seb128> since configure.ac:GETTEXT_PACKAGE="$PACKAGE"
[14:09] <seb128> but from a build tree that's ok
[14:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, thanks, then I'll add it to an already existing Precise branch.
[14:14] <dpm> hey seb128, let me have a look
[14:15] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[14:16] <seb128> mterry, ok, pushed without the changelog diff
[14:16] <mterry> seb128, just approved!
[14:16] <seb128> mterry, thanks ;-)
[14:17] <seb128> mterry, strace shows it's trying to open the gnome-control-center-unity.mo, I'm not sure why it's working, it seems to try both domains ... I will try again once I've a .mo for the new domain
[14:17] <mterry> seb128, wait...  new domain?  gnome-control-center-unity isn't the right one?
[14:17] <seb128> mterry, but afaik translations should be ok with the next langpack update
[14:17] <dpm> seb128, mterry, only the .pot file needs to be approved, and once that happens then the PO files get auto-imported. I see that the .pot file I approved earlier on has already been imported, so the .po files should shortly follow
[14:18] <seb128> mterry, it is, but the .pot was blocked in import queue so we don't have a g-c-c-unity in the langpacks atm
[14:18] <mterry> k
[14:18] <dpm> is this a package coming from the upstream g-c-c?
[14:18] <mterry> dpm, no, this is from Canonical PS
[14:18] <seb128> dpm, the .po from where?
[14:18] <seb128> dpm, mterry: I hacked around ..
[14:18] <seb128> dpm, short summary is
[14:18] <seb128> - we move code from g-c-c (upstream) to g-c-c-unity
[14:18] <seb128> I did
[14:19] <seb128> - cp g-c-c/po/*.po g-c-c-unity/po
[14:19] <seb128> cd g-c-c-unity/po
[14:19] <seb128> intltool-update --pot
[14:19] <seb128> make update-po
[14:19] <seb128> for i in *.po; do msgattrib --no-obsolete $i -o $i; done
[14:19] <seb128> tar czf that up
[14:19] <tjaalton> there's something that blocks lightdm-greeter from appearing for ~25s here, anyone having the same?
[14:19] <tjaalton> on current raring
[14:20] <seb128> uploaded to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/gnome-control-center-unity/+pots/gnome-control-center-unity/+upload
[14:20] <seb128> dpm, ^
[14:20] <seb128> dpm, the goal was to restore the translations from the g-c-c domain
[14:20] <dpm> seb128, ok, so the translations are a mixture from upstream and Ubuntu-specific strings. Then for the other question: did you add the .pot file in that tarball you updated?
[14:20] <seb128> dpm, I did
[14:21] <dpm> ok, in that case those PO files should get imported automatically
[14:21] <seb128> they don't
[14:21] <seb128> I have to go through and pick the domain in the combo and do ack
[14:21] <seb128> I did for some 15 translations
[14:21] <seb128> see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/gnome-control-center-unity/+pots/gnome-control-center-unity/
[14:22] <dpm> seb128, it usually takes a while for them to get imported automatically after the template has been approved, especially if the imports queue is full. Your manually-approved translations are probably marked as Approved but not Imported. Let me double-check
[14:22] <seb128> dpm, they are imported, see the page I pointed
[14:22] <seb128> dpm, anyway if that sorts out over time great
[14:24] <dpm> seb128, yeah, let's check in a couple of hours to see if they eventually got imported, and if not, let me think how we can get them imported without breaking our fingers clicking on the web UI
[14:25] <Laney> you can likely use the API to do that
[14:25] <seb128> dpm, well, middle click/import on ~90 url is like 10 min work, so not worth too much thinking
[14:25] <seb128> 10min at max
[14:25] <seb128> likely 5
[14:25] <Laney> transition_import_queue_entry.setStatus
[14:25] <seb128> e.g less time than writing a script
[14:25] <marga> but really annoying
[14:26] <marga> Should I insist on gnome-hackers?
[14:30] <tjaalton> hm, authenticating the lightdm session is what takes ~25s
[14:37] <ogra_> tjaalton, surely because of the complex finnish usernames :)
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> i wonder where this build of glib comes from? https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/712274b4-f009-4ae7-9a9c-4c7fc2130212
[14:47] <tjaalton> ogra_: it's the 'lightdm' uid :)
[14:47] <tjaalton> once it's authenticated, greeter starts
[14:47] <ogra_> wow
[14:47] <ogra_> thats ecil
[14:47] <ogra_> *evil
[14:48] <tjaalton> yeah, my laptop isn't affected
[14:52] <didrocks> mterry: seb128: it's as you wish, you can keep the changelog or just attach a bug to the MP
[14:52] <Laney> or set the commit message on it
[14:53] <Laney> IIUC
[14:53] <didrocks> mterry: seb128: if the bug # was referenced with your name somewhere in the changelog, this bug won't be duplicated in it
[14:53] <didrocks> mterry: seb128: the only thing to ensure is that you leave it UNRELEASED ;)
[14:53]  * mterry likes consistency of auto-changelogging
[14:54] <didrocks> sure, just explaining that it's smart and that I have an automated test for that :p
[14:54] <qengho> /usr/bin/ld.gold.real: fatal error: out/Release/chrome: mmap: failed to allocate<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory
[14:54]  * qengho hugs this project.
[14:55] <ogra_><PHONE_NUMBER> bytes ?
[14:55] <ogra_> they should have printed it in bits  :P
[14:55] <qengho> Scientific notation.  1.5e9 or something.
[14:55] <didrocks> qengho: hey!
[14:55] <didrocks> qengho: it seems you didn't answer to Will yet (and I checked chromium, there is not plugin recommends ;))
[14:55] <didrocks> just a kind reminder ;)
[14:56] <qengho> didrocks: will do.
[14:56] <didrocks> thanks
[15:26] <seb128> mterry, not sure if you saw but Sweetshark filed some MIRs for libreoffice4 ... review this week, if you can, would be really nice ;-)
[15:28] <seb128> mterry, I'm sure you efforts will be welcomed with some free beers next week ;-)
[15:30] <mterry> seb128, in the middle of 'em now
[15:34] <ogra_> oh, WOW !
[15:34] <ogra_> i left my nexus7 idling over the last two days
[15:35] <ogra_> seems gnome-settings-daemon accumulated 146M RES
[15:35] <ogra_> jani should better upload that fix soon :)
[15:41] <didrocks> qengho: thanks!
[15:58] <mterry> Sweetshark, was libmspub in libreoffice source before, or is that actually new functionality?
[16:04] <mterry> seems to be new
[17:07] <Sweetshark> mterry: mspub is a feature of LO4. libcdr and libvisio are old.
[17:07] <mterry> Sweetshark, cool.  I guessed as much.  I commented on all 3 MIRs
[17:37] <Sweetshark> mterry: thanks for the comments. I will try to dig out what is going on with the fortify stuff there.
[17:39] <mterry> Sweetshark, it's possible it's just false positives.  http://lintian.debian.org/tags/hardening-no-fortify-functions.html  gives several reasons for the tag
[17:40] <Sweetshark> mterry: do you know the gcc flag that needs to be passed on by chance?
[17:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, -fstack-protector I think
[17:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE as well
[17:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, see /usr/share/doc/hardening-wrapper/README.Debian
[17:49] <mterry> Yeah, what seb128 said
[17:54] <Laney> if you use compat 9 with dh you get them set automatically
[18:12] <Sweetshark> mterry: btw I like the moral hazard you create for me to break debian policies and ship with an internal version once, so that I can skip the security review. :->
[18:14] <Sweetshark> .oO( OTOH I wonder when the initial security review to have LibreOffice in main was dont and how much it is stuff relevant for the current codebase ... )
[18:14] <Sweetshark> s/stuff/still/
[18:15] <mterry> Sweetshark, :)
[18:16] <mterry> Sweetshark, I know.  The whole MIR thing as a one-time check is a tad fragile.
[18:16] <mterry> Sweetshark, one could push a new trivial one-line script into main, then blow it up to an office suite with little oversight
[18:17] <Sweetshark> mterry: well, I guess it works decently for a for most other stuff, but the libreoffice source package is essentially a distro on its own (on other platforms it certainly is).
[18:18]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, trying to work around the MIR/security guys? ;-)
[18:29] <jdstrand> you guys realize we are listening, right?
[18:29] <jdstrand> :P
[18:29] <seb128> lol
[18:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, see, you better hide now :p
[18:31] <sarnold> (I just hope the outcome isn't 'sarnold go audit main/* every six months...)
[18:33] <ogra_> did you just volunteer ?
[18:33] <sarnold> nopes.
[18:33] <ogra_> but it totally sounded like
[18:33] <sarnold> (I wonder how ogra_ can read my thoughts ...)
[18:33] <seb128> sarnold, I think you did
[18:34] <seb128> I'm with ogra there
[18:34] <ogra_> :)
[18:34] <seb128> I can sense you wanted to step up, no need to be shy ;-)
[18:34] <Sweetshark> sarnold, jdstrand: one of you reviews libreoffice, the other one the rest of main. I wonder who gets the better deal out of that.
[18:34] <sarnold> Sweetshark: lol
[18:34] <ogra_> jdstrand, that guy deserves a good bonus this year, so much passion for his job !
[18:35] <jdstrand> haha
[19:40]  * xnox thought security team's weekly reading is taking all uploaded debdiffs and splitting them up evenly by total lines of code
[19:40] <mdeslaur> xnox: we only look at yours
[19:40] <xnox> (or better pipe it to audio book converter and listen to it as background music)
[19:40] <xnox> mdeslaur: =)))))
[19:41] <mdeslaur> :)
[19:41]  * xnox totally gets that
[19:41] <mdeslaur> hehe
[20:18] <TheMuso> mterry: I'd argue that a sufficient number of people watch changes that blowing a script up to an office suite could possibly be caught by someone, even if it was hidden in the changelog.
[20:19] <mterry> TheMuso, yeah possibly that extreme example.  :)  But in general, incremental changes to software once it's in main do not get security reviewed or sanity reviewed
[20:20] <TheMuso> Yeah agreed.
[20:49] <squ1d> Anyone know why using pptp vpn on Ubuntu 12.04 will hang while under higher traffic loads with "pppd[17745]: Protocol-Reject for unsupported protocol...
[20:49] <squ1d> really really annoying
[20:49] <squ1d> on Ubuntu 11.04 it stays connected for days
[20:50] <squ1d> on 12.04 i have to reconnect the vpn every few minutes while using too much internet
[20:50] <czajkowski> squ1d: #ubuntu will be better to get support
[20:51] <squ1d> no reponse there yet
[20:51] <squ1d> thanks
[22:40] <xnox> did something recently got uploaded that talks to consolekit unconditionaly?
[22:40] <xnox> e.g. something like g-s-d or dconf?
[22:40] <xnox> or compiz / metacity?
[22:40] <xnox> bug 123798
[22:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 123798 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123798
[22:40] <xnox> bug 1123798
[22:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1123798 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm crashed with dbus.exceptions.DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123798
[22:40] <xnox> better.
[22:41] <xnox> cause consolekit was not previously required to start ubiquity-dm mini-session.
[22:41] <xnox> Laney: ^ ? any ideas?


[03:13] <peitschie> hi everybody :)
[03:16] <peitschie> i am wondering what is the best way to go about getting a merge-request reviewed for the python-launchpad-integration library?
[06:55] <ccheney> yipee, i got epiphany-browser built and with a resulting debs :)
[06:56] <ccheney> also with proper patches :)
[06:56] <ccheney> just need to do that for the other library packages and make sure it actually works
[11:48] <mnemo> "ubuntu-bug blah" says it can't contact the crash report server
[11:48] <mnemo> seems like some admins needs to be notified about that
[12:04] <vish> mnemo: bug #538097
[15:25] <mnemo> vish: a thanks, I marked myself as affected too now...  They have compatibility lists for their printers for linux that specifically mention which versions of which distros work
[17:03] <hyperair> Ng: that's really cool. if only other brands were like that.
[17:03] <hyperair> Ng: i've a scanner which requires a virtual machine to use.
[17:05] <Ng> hyperair: yeah, I was so surprised and impressed that I didn't really look too hard for support from other brands ;)
[17:05] <Ng> I wonder if I can get the wireless printing support to work
[17:08]  * hyperair will give more consideration to hp next time.
[17:53] <Ng> I can. and wireless scanning \o/
[17:53] <Ng> this is absurdly cool
[18:46] <fagan> rickspencer3: Can we add a fps game to the list of featured games in the software center?
[18:46] <fagan> (there are a few good ones)
[18:46] <rickspencer3> fagan, we looked for ones
[18:46] <rickspencer3> but there were none that worked well across enough configurations
[18:46] <fagan> Ah that makes sense
[18:46] <rickspencer3> yeah
[18:47] <fagan> I was just wondering
[18:48] <rickspencer3> fagan, it's a good question, we discussed it a bit on a list
[18:48] <rickspencer3> I pushed for one myself, actually
[18:49] <fagan> It would be nice if we had a way of detecting their computers spec and suggesting applications that their computer can use well
[18:49]  * fagan dreams a little
[18:51] <fagan> hmmmm it would be nice too if we had an action section in the games catagory
[18:51] <fagan> Oh and the icon for sports games looks very bad
[18:51]  * fagan wonders if an icon looking bad warrants making a bug
[18:52] <rickspencer3> fagan, always worth it to log a bug
[18:52] <rickspencer3> fagan, fyi, I just pushed my pygame template into quickly trunk
[18:52] <fagan> Nice ill probably give it a look next week some time
[18:57] <rickspencer3> fagan, how do I make a good tutorial for the pygame template like the one you made for the ubuntu-application?
[18:57] <rickspencer3> (like using Yelp correctly and such)
[19:00] <fagan> rickspencer3: docbook is kinda like html. If you look at the tutorial I made you should be able to figure most of it out. Just ping me if you have any problems :)
[19:00] <rickspencer3> fagan, where is the tutorial in the ubuntu-application directory tree?
[19:01] <fagan> /data/templates/ubuntu-application/help
[19:01] <rickspencer3> thanks fagan
[19:01] <fagan> np


[00:00] <RAOF> My mail's still downloading (see above discussion about internet caps) so I might not be entirely up to date, but yes.  Roll-back post RC.
[00:00] <rickspencer3> hehe
[01:03] <RAOF> C'mon internode.  Process that “Please give me more bandwidth” payment…
[01:11] <TheMuso> It takes up to 90 minutes to do it afaik.
[01:13] <RAOF> TheMuso: Yeah.
[01:38] <TheMuso> RAOF: you should have speed again... :p
[01:38] <bryceh> pitti, glx revert xserver package is uploaded for your review
[01:39] <bryceh> pitti, I have a few other severe xserver bug fixes, but I decided not to include them in this upload so we could focus on getting this one in asap
[01:39] <bryceh> pitti, for the others, I'm still waiting on a few test results but the fixes look worth including as SRUs at least
[01:40] <bryceh> pitti, if you'd like me to include the fixes together with this upload, let me know and I'll rejigger them in
[01:40] <bryceh> (the other two bugs are 539772 and 553647)
[02:57] <jjardon> Hello! Can everyone add new blueprints for maverick?
[02:57] <jjardon> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?searchtext=desktop-maverick
[03:43] <RAOF> I'm off to collect the keys to our new home! (and have lunch ;)).
[03:58] <TheMuso> RAOF: have fun.
[04:32] <TheMuso> c
[07:26] <pitti> Good morning
[07:27] <RAOF> Good morning!
[07:27] <pitti> bryceh, RAOF: ah, I was going to start a discussion about rolling back vs. RAOF's patch now, but seems you guys beat me to it :) my gut feeling is that we should upload the rollback to final and RAOF's real fix to -proposed; WDYT?
[07:30] <pitti> bryceh: two bugs> hm, there's zero margin for error now, so I'd rather have them in the first SRU upload (which will be pretty early, I figure?)
[07:30] <RAOF> I think that's the right idea; the rollback is safer and we want to be really sure about the fix, because if it's incomplete it'll mean X crashes.
[07:30] <pitti> RAOF: oh, new home?
[07:30] <RAOF> pitti: Yah!
[07:30] <pitti> RAOF: agreed, thanks
[07:30] <pitti> new release, new house, that fits!
[07:31] <pitti> bryceh: I added a lucid task to 553647
[07:32] <RAOF> Our first very own house.  It'll be awesome.
[07:35] <pitti> bryceh: your X upload also included bug 519049; how sure are you about this?
[07:49] <didrocks> good morning
[07:50] <pitti> hey didrocks
[07:50] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how are you?
[07:52] <pitti> didrocks: tres bien, merci! et toi?
[07:52] <didrocks> pitti: very good French. Sorry that I can't do the same in German ;) I'm fine, thanks!
[08:51] <seb128> hey hey there
[08:52] <pitti> bonjour Monsieur Bacher!
[08:54] <seb128> pitti, guten tag!
[08:55] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:55] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[08:55] <seb128> didrocks, bonne soirée ?
[08:56] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, c'était sympa merci! :)
[08:56]  * seb128 has slept well and ready for a good work day
[08:56] <didrocks> seb128: et toi?
[08:56] <seb128> nickel
[08:56] <didrocks> heh
[10:12] <didrocks> ubuntuone synchronize nothing here… u1sdtool hangs too. Let's hop logout/login will fix this…
[10:13] <didrocks> (having the same thing on my netbook isn't a very good sign)
[11:01] <huats> Hello everyone
[12:16] <vish> seb128: hi.. could we get an update for Humanity , it seems broken for kde users Bug #566996 , the symlinks are causing a problem there
[12:16] <vish> SRU update rather ;)
[13:02] <qense> hyperair, seb128: Thank you for the fix for Indicator Application. It has finally landed today!
[13:02] <hyperair> \o/
[13:02] <hyperair> finally!
[13:03] <seb128> qense, np, thanks the people who did the work I just uploaded ;-)
[13:05] <pitti> ccheney: wrt. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-openoffice, there's a WI for "check status of OpenOffice.org translations:
[13:05] <pitti> ccheney: is that still actually relevant?
[13:10] <pitti> didrocks: is the remaining task on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-quickly still relevant?
[13:11] <pitti> didrocks: also, would you mind having a look at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-quickly-templates and either dropping the WIs there or moving them to a maverick spec?
[13:14] <milanbv> what's the way to get a bugfix release uploaded, now that we're in freeze? waiting for a SRU after Lucid is out?
[13:14] <milanbv> (that's for system-tools-backends 2.10.0, fixing a few crashers and bad bugs)
[13:20] <pitti> chrisccoulson_, asac: bug 443147 is marked for final, is that still realistic? or should we move to SRU?
[13:22] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - there is a workaround already in bzr, but i wasn't planning to do another upload before the 3.6.4 release in May (the lucid branch is already tracking the 3.6.4 update)
[13:22] <chrisccoulson_> i don't know if asac wants to upload that before final though
[13:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: ok, let's wait for him to answer then; thanks!
[13:23] <didrocks> pitti: sorry, was eating :) All my WI are finished. I'll put rick's ones to DROP
[13:24] <pitti> didrocks: were were also some from Shane?
[13:25] <didrocks> pitti: right, updating the status for him too
[13:25] <didrocks> DROPPED is valid, right?
[13:34] <pitti> didrocks: thanks; yes, DROPPED is the new preferred status name for "dropped, not moved"
[13:35] <didrocks> ok, thanks :)
[13:36] <pitti> Riddell: would you mind updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for Kubuntu? Thanks!
[13:38] <Riddell> pitti: will do
[13:42] <asac> chrisccoulson_: i asked you to upload a cherry-pick
[13:43] <asac> just wasnt sure something else should be there
[13:43] <asac> please go ahead
[13:43] <chrisccoulson_> asac - ok, i can do that. the only issue is though that the lucid branch is already updated to 3.6.4
[13:44] <asac> chrisccoulson_: right thtas why cherry-pick
[13:44] <asac> branch last upload
[13:44] <asac> cherry pick my commit
[13:44] <asac> release
[13:44] <asac> merge that branch into the .head again
[13:51] <chrisccoulson_> asac - ok, i will do that this afternoon. did you see my other question in #ubuntu-mozillateam earlier? i have a fix for the hardy dailies to push, and wasn't sure if i have to start a new version number in the changelog now (i assume that the answer is yes)
[13:56] <asac> chrisccoulson_: where would you commit that to?
[13:56] <asac> to .head? or do we have stable branches?
[13:57] <chrisccoulson_> asac - to .head for now. the only stable branch for 3.6 currently is lucid
[13:57] <chrisccoulson_> (and that would fix the dailies wouldn't it?)
[13:59] <asac> chrisccoulson_: yes. the top most commit is stil UNRELEASED? then just commit there
[13:59] <asac> chrisccoulson_: just dont include it in the cherry pick release for the armel issue
[13:59] <asac> chrisccoulson_: i think we should get the armel fix up asap ... btw. otherwise slangasek will be really unhappy
[14:00] <chrisccoulson_> asac - that was the issue. the last commit changed it from UNRELEASED to lucid, and i wasn't sure if that was intentional or not (and if i need to start a new version number to push my commit)
[14:01] <asac> chrisccoulson_: i did that?
[14:01] <asac> wow
[14:01] <chrisccoulson_> asac - you did ;)
[14:01] <asac> thats a bug ... just flip back to UNRELEASED on next commit ;)
[14:02] <asac> i didnt do a release commit i hope ;)
[14:02] <chrisccoulson_> asac - i was thinking about that, then i remembered what you said about the dailies breaking ;)
[14:02] <asac> no thats fine
[14:02] <chrisccoulson_> so i wasn't sure if i'd break them
[14:02] <asac> just UNRELEASED ... all should be ok
[14:02] <chrisccoulson_> ok, i'll flip it back to UNRELEASED then
[14:02] <chrisccoulson_> thanks
[14:02] <asac> great
[14:06] <kenvandine> pitti, can you think of anything in a gnome session that might be preventing my laptop from suspending?
[14:06] <kenvandine> i can suspend from gdm, and from logged into kde
[14:06] <kenvandine> but not logged into gnome
[14:06] <pitti> does it lock screen?
[14:06] <kenvandine> and tested with a new user and with a reinstall
[14:06] <kenvandine> lock screen works..
[14:06] <kenvandine> the symptom is this
[14:07] <pitti> gnome-session has a concept of "inhibiting suspend", yes
[14:07] <kenvandine> it turns on the blinking sleep light
[14:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: ^ I think you know much more about thsi
[14:07] <kenvandine> and everything appears to go to sleep
[14:07] <kenvandine> but the display goes black but doesn't really turn off
[14:07] <kenvandine> and it never goes to a full sleep
[14:07] <pitti> kenvandine: do you get any error in /var/log/pm-suspend.log?
[14:07] <kenvandine> the pm-suspend.log makes it look like sleep completed
[14:07] <chrisccoulson_> hmmm, if something is inhibiting suspend, then gnome-session will show a dialog
[14:07] <kenvandine> a while back apw spent hours on this thing trying to figure it out
[14:08] <chrisccoulson_> (and indicator-session bypasses the gnome-session mechanism anyway)
[14:08] <kenvandine> but at the time we didn't realize suspend worked outside of gnome
[14:08] <pitti> kenvandine: does "sudo pm-suspend" within a gnome terminal work?
[14:08] <kenvandine> nope
[14:08] <kenvandine> same thing
[14:08] <kenvandine> it is very strange
[14:08] <pitti> ah, then it's not gnome
[14:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:08] <pitti> kenvandine: try something like
[14:08] <kenvandine> i read some stuff that made it sound like network-manager might not be able to release the interfaces
[14:09] <pitti> sudo PM_DEBUG=true pm-suspend 2>&1 | tee /tmp/out
[14:09] <kenvandine> but i removed the modules and all
[14:09] <kenvandine> ok
[14:09] <kenvandine> brb
[14:09]  * kenvandine thinks it is really weird that it works in kde and gdm
[14:09] <kenvandine> brb
[14:14] <kenvandine> damn /tmp cleaning :)
[14:14]  * kenvandine tries again
[14:16] <popey> kenvandine: good work on making gwibber less crashy
[14:17] <nigelbabu> didrocks: reminding you about bug 111939 now that we're post RC
[14:17] <didrocks> nigelbabu: yeah, I read it again yesterday and think we should wait for maverick. Compiz is the main wm in any case and there is the same issue
[14:18] <nigelbabu> didrocks: sure, no problem.
[14:18] <didrocks> nigelbabu: thanks for the notice :)
[14:18] <nigelbabu> In the meantime, I'll try to get it into metacity trunk
[14:19] <didrocks> nigelbabu: yeah, that would be awesome :)
[14:19] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421032/
[14:19] <kenvandine> pitti, chrisccoulson_: ^^
[14:20] <kenvandine> one thing to note, running pm-suspend myself the screen never clears, i can still see everything
[14:21] <pitti> kenvandine: that's expected
[14:21] <kenvandine> but suspend from the session menu does clear the screen
[14:21] <kenvandine> ok
[14:21] <pitti> hm, that looks weird
[14:21] <pitti> (way too short, and it doesn't do any action)
[14:22] <kenvandine> there is much more in /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[14:22] <pitti> ah, right
[14:22]  * kenvandine pastes
[14:22] <pitti> please put that somewhere
[14:22] <pitti> the >& logging probably stopped at the exec
[14:25] <chrisccoulson_> asac - ok, firefox is uploaded now
[14:25] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421034/
[14:26] <kenvandine> there might be more than one suspend in there
[14:27] <kenvandine> this behavior started in karmic right before the sprint in dublin
[14:27] <kenvandine> so been quite a while :)
[14:27] <kenvandine> we had chalked it up to bios or hardware...
[14:28] <kenvandine> but now that i know it works outside of gnome... i am determined to get suspend working again!
[14:30] <kenvandine> good morning rickspencer3
[14:30] <rickspencer3> hi kenvandine
[14:32] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:32] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[14:33] <kenvandine> pitti, this sure is verbose... but i am not seeing anything that looks like it failed
[14:35] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:35] <pitti> asac, chrisccoulson_: that's the weirdest bug I've ever seen -- different optimize flags cause *scroll bars* to appear??
[14:35] <seb128> hello rickspencer3
[14:36] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[14:36] <didrocks> rickspencer3: not on #quickly? ;) just to tell you that I'm planning to release Quickly 0.4.1. No last-minute thing to put into the trunk for you?
[14:37] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks, I just joined
[14:37] <rickspencer3> I don't have as many channels autojoin on my netbook
[14:37] <didrocks> I would thought #quickly was #1 for you (kidding) ;)
[14:38] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - yeah, that is pretty weird indeed
[14:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: this makes me a bit nervous about breaking other stuff, though
[14:39] <pitti> I mean ffox has never been tested with a global -O2 on any platform, has it?
[14:39] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - i think asac has tested that though (i haven't, as i don't have the hardware available)
[14:39] <chrisccoulson_> it's also only -O2 on armel
[14:40] <pitti> right, it's a no-op on !armel, but I'm still worried :)
[14:45] <rickspencer3> pitti, did I get the rolled back glx when I did a dist-upgrade last night?
[14:45] <pitti> rickspencer3: it's not accepted yet; the currently pending upload has an extra bug fix which I'm not sure about; I pinged bryceh about it
[14:46] <rickspencer3> ok
[14:46] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[14:46] <rickspencer3> I thought bryceh said he was going to do a clean upload of just the rollback
[14:46] <rickspencer3> oh well
[14:48] <ogra> pitti, we often see such issues in armel ... different optimization often exposes toolchain issues
[14:56] <kenvandine> pitti, chrisccoulson_: any ideas from that log?
[14:57] <pitti> kenvandine: (will have a look later on)
[14:57] <kenvandine> looks to me like everything worked, at least from the log
[14:57] <kenvandine> pitti, ok
[14:58] <pitti> kenvandine: yes, it goes all the way to echo mem > /sys/power/state
[14:59] <pitti> kenvandine: if you do echo mem | sudo tee /sys/power/state, does it suspend?
[14:59] <pitti> that's the bare-metal suspend command, straight to the kernel
[14:59] <kenvandine> i'll try... i assume it does since it works from kde and gdm
[14:59] <pitti> kenvandine: you can do sudo dmesg -c, then that command, and afterwards check with dmesg if there's any error from the kernel
[14:59] <kenvandine> ok
[15:00] <pitti> kenvandine: well, it's apparently what pm-suspend tries as well
[15:01] <didrocks> james_w: I'll need some help with a bzr merge if you're around
[15:01] <asac> chrisccoulson_: pitti: i had a test build with that change in a native ppa
[15:02] <asac> it was based on ffox 3.6.4 prerelease though ... so we cant just copy it
[15:02] <asac> chrisccoulson_: pitti: if it feels better we can prepare the release in native ppa and copy over once everything is built ;)
[15:02] <asac> that would reduce the risk of bustage due to build failures etc.
[15:02] <pitti> asac: no, that's fine (accepted)
[15:02] <james_w> didrocks: mais oui
[15:02] <asac> pitti: thanks.
[15:02] <pitti> asac: I was just concerned about -O2 breaking ffox on armel
[15:03] <didrocks> james_w: :) so, I'm trying to merge lp:~quickly/quickly/quickly-po in lp:quickly
[15:03] <james_w> didrocks: the former is a rosetta export branch?
[15:04] <didrocks> james_w: exactly, and the previous export branch didn't have a data/templates/ubuntu-application/help/po (creating in lp:quickly), and so, created itself the directory
[15:04] <didrocks> james_w: which results in data/templates/ubuntu-application and data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved directory
[15:04] <james_w> erk
[15:04] <james_w> double erk
[15:04] <james_w> or not
[15:05] <james_w> what did you change in lp:quickly?
[15:05] <james_w> did that add data/templates/ubuntu-application, is that unversioned in your local copy, or has it been there since before lp:~quickly/quickly/quickly-po branched?
[15:05] <didrocks> james_w: I've added a po template for tutorials, hence the directory creation
[15:06] <didrocks> james_w: data/templates/ubuntu-application should have been there even before the creation of the export branch, let me check
[15:06] <james_w> ah, ok, so you added it after branching?
[15:06] <didrocks> james_w: no, but it was data/templates/ubuntu-project which moved to data/templates/ubuntu-application
[15:06] <didrocks> (with bzr mv)
[15:07] <james_w> ah, ok
[15:07] <didrocks> james_w: but as LP po export added it manually…
[15:07] <james_w> that's a legitimate conflict then
[15:07] <didrocks> it created it in the export branch
[15:07] <didrocks> right
[15:07] <didrocks> I'm not surprised by the conflict, but how to resolve it properly :)
[15:07] <didrocks> I was thinking doing that:
[15:07] <james_w> right :-)
[15:08] <didrocks> bzr mv data/templates/ubuntu-application/help/po/* data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved/help/po
[15:08] <didrocks> then, rm -rf data/templates/ubuntu-application
[15:08] <didrocks> and mv data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved data/templates/ubuntu-application
[15:08] <didrocks> but then, bzr st told me that I removed all commands in ubuntu-application and that I've unknown file corresponding to every files in ubuntu-application
[15:08] <james_w> right, after bzr mkdir -p data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved/help/po
[15:09] <didrocks> so, I guess, I have ubuntu-application with the id of the export po branch (the one created recently) :)
[15:09] <james_w> try bzr mv --after data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved data/templates/ubuntu-application
[15:09] <didrocks> oh, --after?
[15:09] <james_w> "I've already moved it on disk, just mark it as moved in bzr st"
[15:09] <didrocks> ok, let me try that :)
[15:12] <didrocks> james_w: you rock! ;)
[15:12] <kenvandine> pitti, that doesn't work either... apparently this is some sign that i should switch to kde :-D
[15:12] <james_w> didrocks: sweet
[15:12] <pitti> kenvandine: what does dmesg say?
[15:12] <didrocks> james_w: thanks a lot :)
[15:12] <kenvandine> nothing..
[15:12] <kenvandine> it logs nothing on the way down
[15:12] <pitti> strange
[15:12] <james_w> didrocks: np
[15:13] <kenvandine> it immediate stops
[15:13] <kenvandine> immediately
[15:13] <kenvandine> pitti, there must be some device or something that is keeping it from going down... something that is tweaked by logging into gnome
[15:13] <kenvandine> i tried switching to metacity, etc
[15:13] <kenvandine> turned off bluetooth and all
[15:14] <pitti> sudo stop network-manager, too?
[15:14] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:14] <pitti> kenvandine: sudo killall udisks-daemon upowerd ?
[15:14] <kenvandine> didn't do that
[15:14]  * kenvandine tries
[15:29] <kenvandine> sigh...
[15:30] <kenvandine> pitti, nope, that didn't help
[15:30] <kenvandine> very puzzling...
[15:30] <jcastro> kenvandine: hey I can consistently crash the xchat m-i plugin
[15:30] <kenvandine> jcastro, steps to repro?
[15:30] <jcastro> when someone messages you, click on the envelope and then on their name
[15:30] <kenvandine> can't repro it reliably
[15:30] <jcastro> then xchat disappears
[15:31] <jcastro> qense: you said you were seeing this too?
[15:31] <kenvandine> it has happened to me a couple times
[15:31] <kenvandine> but very rare
[15:31] <kenvandine> jcastro, file a bug please
[15:31] <qense> jcastro: please ping me and I can test it!
[15:32] <jcastro> kenvandine: file a bug on which component?
[15:32] <kenvandine> xchat-indicator
[15:32] <kenvandine> jcastro, highlight me again
[15:33] <jcastro> kenvandine: hi2u
[15:33] <kenvandine> ok, worked... i hadn't tested since i reinstalled lucid last night
[15:33] <kenvandine> get the bug filed and i will look at the crash report
[15:33] <qense> I have stopped using the XChat indicator because it used to crash, but I haven't tested it a long time.
[15:33] <qense> XChat GNOME, to be precise.
[15:34] <kenvandine> qense, that is what i am using too
[15:34] <hyperair> irssi ftw
[15:34] <kenvandine> jcastro, you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[15:34] <jcastro> -gnome
[15:34] <kenvandine> ok
[15:34] <kenvandine> same here
[15:34] <hyperair> irssi + messaging indicator would be really cool
[15:34] <hyperair> does the messaging indicator have perl bindings?
[15:34] <kenvandine> nope
[15:34] <jcastro> hyperair: I know dude, especially if we could pipe it through ssh so I can run my screen remote ...
[15:34] <qense> Messaging indicator integration for irssi in byobu!
[15:34] <jcastro> qense: YES
[15:34] <hyperair> jcastro: absolutely!
[15:35] <qense> That would be fun: porting the whole indicator-* stack to screen...
[15:35] <ccheney> pitti: i think david wants to talk about that in the session, i didn't add it myself
[15:35] <ccheney> pitti: oh nm i see lucid, no thats not relevant for lucid
[15:35] <jcastro> kenvandine: apport didn't fire off or anything, is there anything I should look for for the report?
[15:35] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/565061
[15:36] <qense> jcastro: Apport was disabled by a recent update, did you renable it?
[15:36] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, dang it. my crash report was private
[15:36] <rickspencer3> fixed now
[15:36] <qense> failed retrace
[15:36] <rickspencer3> jcastro, does that look like your xchat crash?
[15:36] <jcastro> yes
[15:36] <jcastro> it does
[15:37]  * kenvandine wonders why that didn't show up in the "me" folder in evo... damn procmailrc ...
[15:37] <rickspencer3> anyway, may as well reuse that report rather than create a new one
[15:37] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, can you repro that reliably too?
[15:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:37] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, no
[15:37] <jcastro> kenvandine: it doesn't happen every time
[15:37] <rickspencer3> it's just intermitten enough that I keep using it
[15:37] <jcastro> right
[15:38] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok so I should turn on apport and if it happens again put it in this report?
[15:38] <kenvandine> jcastro, it is probably the same as what rickspencer3 reported
[15:38] <jcastro> yeah I am just wondering if more info is better. apport is a black box to me.
[15:39] <kenvandine> jcastro, perhaps
[15:47] <rickspencer3> pitti, fyi, for release meeting, edubuntu logo was done and sent a while ago, not sure when exactly
[15:47]  * rickspencer3 saw it as an open action on the email
[15:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, it's already in the upload queue
[15:47] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:48] <pitti> thanks for the heads-up
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, the meeting is at 17h local right?
[15:48] <pitti> seb128: right
[15:48] <seb128> ok
[15:48] <pitti> seb128: oh, do you want to be the desktop representative today? :-)
[15:48]  * seb128 grabs the laptop and will seat outside in the sun a bit to read email and join the meeting
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, I didn't prepare but I will watch
[15:48] <pitti> (our plate is pretty clean, should be easy for us)
[15:49] <pitti> seb128: that's fine; I updated the ReleaseStatus page
[15:51] <pitti> seb128, rickspencer3: I have to leave after the meeting; in case bryceh wakes up later, would you mind discussing his current upload with him? there's an extra bug fix which I'm not sure about, thus I didn't accept it yet
[15:51] <pitti> so if he's 100% confident in this, it's fine to accept
[15:51] <rickspencer3> pitti, will do
[15:51] <pitti> but it might not have been intended, since the upload encompasses two changelog records
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, ok
[15:51] <pitti> cheers
[15:51] <rickspencer3> I'm a bit concerned as well, as he said he wanted to do quite the opposite (have a clean upload for glx issue)
[15:51] <pitti> I'm invited at my parent's for dinner, since I'll be away for the next 3 weeks
[15:52] <rickspencer3> "concerned" might be a tad strong
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, enjoy
[15:52] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, which made me consider that it was an accident
[15:52] <rickspencer3> pitti, you need a netbook to take with you to dinner
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, I'm in my parents' garden right now with the laptop, splendid weather
[15:52] <rickspencer3> just put it next to your plate
[15:52] <pitti> rickspencer3: it's already stowed away in my luggage :)
[15:52] <rickspencer3> with headphones and  mic it will be like your parents aren't even there, perfect
[15:52]  * pitti has the mobile with him, of course :)
[15:52] <pitti> lol
[15:53] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:54] <kenvandine> pitti, just confirmed... the exact same suspend problem on my wife's laptop
[15:54] <kenvandine> but my netbook suspends fine
[15:54] <vish> seb128: hmm , i may have missed your reply earlier [had to reboot].. when would be a right time to request the Humanity update for [KDE problem] ?
[15:54] <kenvandine> her hardware is completely different
[15:55] <kenvandine> intel white box laptop
[15:55] <seb128> vish, next cycle?
[15:55] <pitti> kenvandine: curious
[15:55] <kenvandine> i have a thinkpad
[15:55] <kenvandine> different video and network
[15:55] <pitti> kenvandine: is that a regression from the glx rollback?
[15:55] <seb128> vish, I'm not the one to talk to to get an exception now
[15:55] <kenvandine> no
[15:55] <seb128> vish, try talking to pitti or slangasek
[15:55] <kenvandine> this has been a problem for me since early in the karmic cycle, even after several reinstalls
[15:55] <pitti> vish: "request"?
[15:55] <vish> ah , ok.. :)
[15:55] <kenvandine> for her suspend was fine until i installed lucid
[15:56] <seb128> kenvandine, did it work if you turn off the social from the start cracks?
[15:56] <kenvandine> and actually... it is a regression for her in lucid
[15:56] <vish> pitti:  Bug #566996
[15:56] <kenvandine> at first it did suspend, but wouldn't resume
[15:56] <seb128> just trying to figure what you might set up and other people not
[15:56] <kenvandine> nvidia bug
[15:56] <kenvandine> but since that was fixed, it doesn't suspend completely just like mine
[15:56] <vish> pitti: the volume icon is not displayed in KDE :s , it was a hack i had done so that the icon isnt blurry in gtk widgets , ut it turns out to be a problem in kubuntu
[15:56] <kenvandine> seb128, it doesn't work for a new user... which doesn't have gwibber running
[15:57] <pitti> vish: if it's an 100% risk free and small fix, please get it uploaded for lucid, we are revieing the queue very often
[15:57] <pitti> vish: if not, -> SRU
[15:57] <seb128> vish, did you fix it in a way which doesn't create the gtk issue again
[15:57] <seb128> ?
[15:57] <vish> yup , no problems now
[15:57] <kenvandine> seb128, did you read back to where suspend works in gdm and in kde?
[15:57] <vish> neither for kde or gtk
[15:58] <kenvandine> but not from a logged in gnome session
[15:58] <kenvandine> seb128, any guesses?
[15:58] <seb128> kenvandine, yes I read that and no, no guess, I would try starting a failsafe GNOME and try there
[15:58] <kenvandine> i did
[15:58] <kenvandine> fails too
[15:58] <seb128> or turn off everything in the session and add things back
[15:59] <seb128> weird
[15:59] <kenvandine> i did that too
[15:59] <seb128> did you try to start a non gnome session
[15:59] <kenvandine> unchecked everything in the startup
[15:59] <seb128> and start gnome-panel etc there?
[15:59] <kenvandine> no... let me try that
[15:59] <vish> pitti: the fix is small and uploaded and ready in lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release
[15:59]  * kenvandine tries with something lighter than kde
[15:59] <kenvandine> :)
[16:05] <vish> pitti: i need to subscribe the release team or the Main sponsors to the bug?
[16:05] <pitti> vish: sponsors primarily
[16:06] <vish> neat thanks..
[16:14] <maxb> I need help figuring out where to search for or report a vaguely desktoppish bug: On Lucid, the tickmarks in on/off context menu items appear white-on-light-grey, and so pretty much invisible.
[16:16] <kenvandine> seb128, i can suspend from a full  gnome-session if i start it without gdm
[16:16] <kenvandine> it seems to be related to logging in via gdm
[16:16] <kenvandine> perhaps consolekit?
[16:18] <pitti> that wouldn't stop the kernel from suspending with echo mem>, though
[16:18] <kenvandine> or something related to disk access
[16:18] <kenvandine> so starting with startx, i can't access usb sticks, dvd, etc
[16:18] <pitti> kenvandine: if you log into an xterm session, does it work then?
[16:19] <kenvandine> yes
[16:19] <kenvandine> oh
[16:19] <pitti> kenvandine: oh, then you can't access /dev/drm either
[16:19] <kenvandine> with gdm
[16:19] <pitti> so it might be device permissions indeed
[16:19] <kenvandine> i have no /dev/drm
[16:19] <pitti> /dev/dri/card0, sorry
[16:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:20] <kenvandine> let me login to an xterm session with gdm
[16:20] <kenvandine> brb
[16:22] <kenvandine> pitti, suspend did work logged in from gdm with an xterm session
[16:24] <pitti> fun
[16:24] <pitti> kenvandine: try xterm session, then run compiz, and try again?
[16:24] <kenvandine> ok
[16:24] <kenvandine> suspend did work with compiz running in my gnome-session started with startx
[16:24] <kenvandine> still try?
[16:25] <pitti> hm; well, sure
[16:25] <kenvandine> brb
[16:25] <pitti> if for nothing else, you'll need it to sensibly start more terminals and apps :)
[16:28] <kenvandine> pitti, this is fun... suspend works fine if i login from gdm with the xterm session and run gnome-session
[16:29] <kenvandine> but it doesn't work if i login with a gnome session from gdm...
[16:29] <kenvandine> very strange
[16:30] <Nafai> morning everyone
[16:30] <kenvandine> good morning Nafai
[16:33] <kenvandine> pitti, confirmed the same thing does work on my wife's laptop too... very weird
[17:01] <Sarvatt> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:1658): WARNING **: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so: undefined symbol: notify_notification_show
[17:01] <Sarvatt> ^ wasn't that fixed a few months ago? seems it crept back in
[17:01] <seb128> Sarvatt, ldd -r it?
[17:01] <seb128> oh right, I get it there too
[17:01] <chrisccoulson_> hmmmm
[17:02] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/G3CZztN8
[17:02] <seb128> Sarvatt, do you notice any bug due to it?
[17:03] <chrisccoulson_> when did that start?
[17:03] <Sarvatt> just the media keys plugin not being loaded going by xsession-errors, I dont use it
[17:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, not sure, g-s-d didn't change for a while
[17:05] <Sarvatt> seb128	chrisccoulson, you add LIBNOTIFY_LDFLAGS use	10:09
[17:05] <Sarvatt> seb128	and configure.ac uses _LIB	10:09
[17:05] <Sarvatt> seb128	and not _LDFLAGS	10:09
[17:05] <Sarvatt> (irc log from 2010-01-29
[17:05] <chrisccoulson_> i thought i'd fixed that already
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> oh, i see
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> it misses LIBNOTIFY_LIBS entirely
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> :(
[17:07] <didrocks> babel-fr is getting crazy in lucid…
[17:07] <Sarvatt> i only noticed because I was trying to track down why indicator-applet is failing to start and indicator-applet-session is showing double icons some boots, don
[17:08] <Sarvatt> don't know how long the error has been around
[17:12] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - are we ok to upload a fix for this now, or should we do a SRU?
[17:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: since when was it broken?
[17:13] <pitti> it would essentially mean to re-enable a feature, right?
[17:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, I think it should be ok for upload now
[17:13] <pitti> (the actual patch is probably quite small)
[17:13] <pitti> yes, please upload it now and test thoroughly
[17:13] <seb128> what does it break?
[17:13] <seb128> I still get sound key bubbles etc
[17:13] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - it must have been broken for a while now (probably since the last update. i remember we had some difficulty with the patch then)
[17:13] <pitti> it probably breaks the entire media keys plugin?
[17:14] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - yeah, it WFM too, but in Sarvatt's case it's not working at all
[17:14] <pitti> like launching a web browser, etc/
[17:14] <chrisccoulson_> pitti - yeah, if the symbols aren't resolved then the whole plugin fails to load (which breaks volume keys etc)
[17:15] <seb128> it's weird I get the ldd -r errors too
[17:15] <seb128> but volume keys are working
[17:15] <pitti> is that in .xsession-errors?
[17:15] <chrisccoulson_> me too
[17:15] <pitti> grep symbol /home/martin/.xsession-errors -> nothing
[17:15] <seb128> same here
[17:15] <seb128> but ldd -r on the .so -> errors
[17:16] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, same here. it's definately not linking with libnotify
[17:16] <chrisccoulson_> but, that's an easy fix
[17:16] <pitti> ldd /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so |grep noti -> empty, yes
[17:16] <seb128> if you can get it uploaded today please do
[17:16] <seb128> pitti, -r
[17:16] <seb128> ldd -r
[17:16] <seb128> ups
[17:16] <seb128> I misread what you said
[17:16] <pitti> undefined symbol: gnome_settings_plugin_get_type(/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so)
[17:17] <pitti> ?
[17:17] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xsessions-errors.txt
[17:17] <pitti> seb128: (I get the missing notify bits, too)
[17:18] <seb128> ok
[17:18] <chrisccoulson_> do we need to report a bug for it?
[17:18] <seb128> pitti, anyway don't delay your weekend on this
[17:18] <chrisccoulson_> (i'm just building it now to test)
[17:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, don't bother I would say if you get a fix upload
[17:18] <seb128> and ping slangasek about it
[17:20] <pitti> ok, so I'm off for some 3 hours for dinner at my parent's
[17:20] <pitti> when I'm back, I'll have another look at IRC and the queue
[17:20] <chrisccoulson_> have fun pitti :)
[17:21] <pitti> thanks
[17:21] <seb128> pitti, enjoy
[17:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: thanks for working on this issue
[17:21]  * pitti hugs you all
[17:21] <pitti> seb128: see, that's the TB job: tell everyone what to do, have them work on Friday nights, and yourself are slacking off
[17:21] <seb128> ;-)
[17:21]  * pitti feels guilty
[17:21]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[17:22] <desrt> uh.
[17:22] <desrt> where are my getties?
[17:22] <pitti> s/TB/TL/, I mean
[17:22]  * chrisccoulson_ hugs pitti
[17:22] <seb128> pitti, don't worry they don't listen to you :p
[17:22] <desrt> please don't tell me they're gone in order to make bootup faster...
[17:23] <chrisccoulson_> Sarvatt, OOI, do you have the xrandr plugin loaded in g-s-d?
[17:24] <chrisccoulson_> that's the other plugin that links with libnotify, which is why it's working for me and seb128
[17:24] <chrisccoulson_> (because libnotify is already in memory)
[17:24] <chrisccoulson_> i suspect if i turn off that plugin that media-keys will fail too
[17:26] <Sarvatt> ah hah thats why I see it then, yeah it's disabled
[17:27] <chrisccoulson_> Sarvatt - ok, that makes sense now :)
[17:35] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - ok, fix pushed to bzr now. would you mind sponsoring? :)
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, I can do that!
[17:36] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - thanks
[17:36] <bryceh> pitti, you had a question about the xserver upload?
[17:37] <rickspencer3> bryceh, pitti is out atm
[17:37] <seb128> bryceh, he said there is another change in there
[17:37] <seb128> bryceh, out of the glx one
[17:37] <seb128> bryceh, he was not sure if that was wanted
[17:37] <bryceh> the only other change is that it drops a duplicate patch
[17:37] <bryceh> which is fine
[17:37] <seb128> ok, I guess that's the one he was not sure about
[17:37] <seb128> can you clarify that with slangasek?
[17:38] <kenvandine> pitti, seb128: so i found the suspend problem... it fails to suspend if you have an SD card mounted :)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson_> hmmm, i wish xchat would pick up the theme again after reloading g-s-d
[17:38] <kenvandine> I have had this SD card in this laptop since I bought it
[17:38] <seb128> kenvandine, weird bug
[17:38] <bryceh> hrm
[17:39] <kenvandine> very weird... and a pain to narrow down :)
[17:39] <kenvandine> seb128, ideas what that should be filed against?
[17:39] <kenvandine> i assume the kernel
[17:39] <seb128> bryceh, pitti said the changelog has 2 new entries in this upload
[17:40] <seb128> bryceh, that's about what I know about his concern though
[17:40] <seb128> he was not sure the previous one was an intended change too
[17:40] <bryceh> seb128, I'll doublecheck
[17:40] <seb128> kenvandine, not really no, you can try there
[17:41] <kenvandine> now i am annoyed to think that i haven't been able to suspend for 8 months because I had this silly SD card in my laptop :)
[17:41] <bryceh> seb128, I only see one changelog entry for the 23rd, and then the previous is from the 15th
[17:41] <seb128> bryceh, check with slangasek I would say, I assume they have some queue diff, maybe that got the debdiff buggy for some reason
[17:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems you dropped a tap to click change too?
[17:44] <bryceh> seb128, looks like he's not around
[17:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, it was commented in the serie and you dropped the change too now, ok
[17:45] <seb128> confusing debdiff
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - oh, perhaps the branch was slightly out of sync with the archive?
[17:46] <kenvandine> very old bug, bug 295354
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> i didn't intentionally make any other changes
[17:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, uploaded
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks
[17:49] <seb128> bryceh, ok, so you uploaded xorg-server ubuntu7
[17:49] <seb128> lucid current has ubuntu5
[17:49] <seb128> bryceh, was the ubuntu6 change on purpose in that upload too?
[17:49] <seb128> it's not there http://launchpadlibrarian.net/45056000/xorg-server_1.7.6-2ubuntu7_source.changes
[17:50] <seb128> bryceh, ie you have 2 revisions but listed one in the .changes only, forgot to -vubuntu5 on build?
[17:50] <bryceh> mm, did that one just not get uploaded maybe?
[17:50] <seb128> bryceh, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server
[17:50] <seb128> bryceh, it was not no
[17:50] <seb128> so pitti wanted to double check what was going on
[17:50] <seb128> ie is it intended to go in lucid
[17:50] <bryceh> seb128, so want me to exclude that and redo the packaging?
[17:50] <seb128> or a revision leftover
[17:51] <seb128> rather confirm that you want that one in lucid
[17:51] <seb128> and that it was not a revision uploaded by error
[17:51] <seb128> ie that you based your recent change on the right one
[17:51] <seb128> and not on a local testversion with a revision not meant to go in lucid
[17:51] <bryceh> I can exclude it if it is causing confusion, but it's a valid fix for a serious issue that should be in ubuntu
[17:52] <bryceh> well, serious for people who have the issue
[17:52] <seb128> ok thanks
[17:53] <seb128> bryceh, thanks, I clarified with slangasek, or rather let him a message to read about it, that it was a wanted change and can be accepted when he wants
[17:54] <bryceh> alright
[17:56] <Sarvatt> bryceh: I wouldn't include the xauth commit for now, it's not something affecting a large number of users and did you notice it's undergoing heavy revision to meet upstream's standards? http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-April/006992.html
[17:57] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yes I know it's being worked on upstream
[17:57] <milanbv> chrisccoulson: sorry for raising this again, but what should we do to for the system-tools-backends 2.10.0?
[17:57] <milanbv> wait for a SRU?
[17:57] <milanbv> do you want me to package it?
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> milanbv - is there a bug for it?
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> (i don't  really have time to work on that atm)
[18:01] <milanbv> chrisccoulson: yeah, there are a few bugs
[18:01] <milanbv> do you mean a bug "Update stb to 2.10.0"?
[18:01] <milanbv> no, but I can create it
[18:02] <milanbv> disregarding crowded agenda issues, what would be the best procedure?
[18:07] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I've uploaded an xserver with that xauth change xcluded for the archive admins to choose from.  I think it's fine but no skin off my nose if it's left out.
[18:07] <ccheney> seb128: are we skipping the dictionary transition intentionally? aiui enchant is still using the old locations from a year ago?
[18:07] <bryceh> Sarvatt, it can be sru'd later when the patch is finalized
[18:14] <seb128> ccheney, no it's just that nobody has been watching what debian was doing
[18:15] <seb128> ccheney, I noticed some days ago when talking to the debian maintainer about the openoffice.org-dictionnaries change I did and sent back there
[18:15] <seb128> ccheney, it seems late to change enchant now so that will be next cycle
[18:16] <seb128> would have been nice if you could have watched those dictionnaries changes in debian earlier
[18:16] <seb128> so we could have adapted for lucid
[18:16] <seb128> the debian maintainer said it had been announced on debian list and in openoffice changes for a while
[18:18] <Sarvatt> bryceh: yeah we have that major EXA fix to SRU too
[18:18] <Sarvatt> where people using noscript in firefox with compositing enabled is crashing the server
[18:19]  * bryceh nods
[18:19] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah I asked pitti if I should include that in this upload but didn't hear from him so just left it out
[18:20] <bryceh> it looks like something which would be fine to roll out as an sru, since it doesn't prevent install or boot
[18:20] <bryceh> Sarvatt, if you spot any other xserver patches let me know, I'm building a todo list
[18:22] <Sarvatt> bryceh: there is another important one that could use a round through -proposed testing because it is a pretty significant change, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/553647
[18:23] <bryceh> Sarvatt, heh yep that's the other one on my todo list ;-)
[18:23] <bryceh> #539772 and #553647
[18:24] <bryceh> there might be one or two more that are nearly ready
[18:27] <Nafai> lunching
[18:36] <ccheney> seb128: yea it was done in karmic release cycle for Debian but was too late for karmic, i got all the dictionaries updated for lucid a while back except for the bug you updated for, i'm not sure what all applications need changes but thought those would have filtered in semi-automatically
[18:37] <ccheney> the Debian guy (rene) plans to drop the compat symlinks in the near future, probably early in maverick cycle
[18:38] <seb128> right
[18:38] <seb128> he was unhappy that we didn't sync the enchant change
[18:38] <ccheney> i guess the enchant change must have been late for it not to have been in testing
[18:39] <seb128> it's in testing but we have ubuntu changes to enchant
[18:39] <ccheney> i can't get to the packages.qa.d.o page to check
[18:39] <ccheney> oh ok
[18:39] <seb128> and we don't review changes to merge every week in the second half of the cycle
[18:39] <seb128> anyway dinner time
[18:39] <seb128> bbl
[18:40] <ccheney> yea, so thats why i mentioned it must have been late, i think the initial changes for dictionaries were before lucid so it was either stuck or not done until later for enchant
[18:40] <ccheney> ok ttyl :)
[18:40]  * ccheney will do another openoffice.org-dictionaries update to add the remaining compat symlinks needed until dictionary transition is complete for Ubuntu
[18:45]  * desrt adds another process to slow down the GNOME login process
[20:33] <Nafai> Question.  bratsche came up with a patch for gtk that fixed the gnome bluetooth bug as reported.  But, in the process, I discovered another bug (the Visible menu item isn't showing up).  Should I file a new one for that and work on that and have bratsche's gtk changes be the fix for the original one?
[20:38] <rickspencer3> Nafai I would suggest logging a new bug
[20:38] <rickspencer3> then attach bratche's patch to the original bug, and your patch to the new one
[20:38] <Nafai> k, that's what I think
[20:38] <rickspencer3> thanks man
[20:38] <Nafai> np
[20:39] <rickspencer3> Nafai could you please make sure the bug comments are up to date on the BT one?
[20:39] <Nafai> sure thing, I'll do that and then open the new bug
[20:50] <bratsche> Nafai: So that gtk patch definitely helped/fixed the issue?
[20:51] <Nafai> bratsche: yes, indeed
[20:52] <bratsche> Nice!
[20:54] <Nafai> yes, much thanks
[20:55] <bratsche> So I need to work that into a gtk patch that's upstreamable then.
[20:56] <bratsche> I'll have to do that on Monday though, I'm leaving for a symphony rehearsal in about an hour.
[20:56] <Nafai> yeah, should I just comment that it works and re-assign the bug to you?
[20:56] <bratsche> Add a gtk+ component to the bug in launchpad and assign that to me.  If there's no more work to do on it then I guess close the gnome-bluetooth part of the bug.
[20:57] <Nafai> (new to launchpad), so "also affects project" and add gt+?
[20:57] <Nafai> gtk+
[20:58] <bratsche> Also affects distribution
[20:58] <bratsche> Then I think it's gtk+ or gtk+2.0 or something like that.
[20:58] <Nafai> ok
[20:59] <bratsche> "Also affects project" is intended for upstream projects listed in Launchpad, which gtk+ isn't.  "Also affects distribution" lets you file a bug against Ubuntu's gtk+ package.
[20:59] <Nafai> ah, I was thinking distribution as in "lucid"
[21:00] <Nafai> makes sense
[21:00] <Nafai> thanks
[21:02] <seb128> bratsche, Nafai: no please don't do that
[21:02] <Nafai> Looks like dbarth already re-classified it as gtk+
[21:02] <seb128> bratsche, Nafai: reassigning the bug rather than adding an another task, having a second task means you keep spamming the first one subscribers
[21:02] <seb128> Nafai, right, I told him to do so
[21:03] <seb128> Nafai, you can let the bug in this state, I will do a SRU upload after lucid with some other changes
[21:03] <seb128> I will probably wait for bratsche to come with an upstream approved change though
[21:03] <seb128> would be nice to fix the scrolling in the same upload
[21:03] <Nafai> ok
[21:04] <Nafai> comment that it is fixed and leave as-is?
[21:04] <Nafai> s/fixed/fixed with the gtk change
[21:04] <seb128> yes
[21:04] <seb128> next part is up to bratsche to get a chance upstream
[21:04] <seb128> then I will backport to lucid
[21:04] <seb128> thank you for your work on this!
[21:05] <Nafai> ok, thanks for helping me learn the process :)
[21:08] <bratsche> Me too. :)
[21:45] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, the xchat-indicator bug is weird... sometimes it is getting added to the hash table a second time, i think
[21:45] <kenvandine> but it checks to see if it is there before adding it... very strange
[21:46] <kenvandine> i have reproduced it though, and got some debugging code in
[21:46] <kenvandine> will try to fix it over the weekend
[21:47] <rickspencer3> thanks kenvandine
[21:47] <rickspencer3> this is a plugin in universe, right?
[21:47] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:48] <kenvandine> i gotta head out to take my son to t-ball practice now, bbiab
[21:48] <rickspencer3> bye kenvandine
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, let me know if you want any help with that ;)
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> that one is annoying ;)
[21:49] <kenvandine> :)
[21:54]  * didrocks waves goodnight and enjoy your week-end
[21:54] <bratsche> Later didrocks!
[22:29] <kklimonda>  /quit maintenance
[22:29] <kklimonda> hmm
[22:33] <pitti> kenvandine: SD card mounted? that's .. awesome; some USB port doesn't suspend then?
[22:34] <pitti> bryceh: seems all sorted out now? the other bug fix was intended?
[22:38] <bryceh> pitti, yes it was intended
[22:39] <bryceh> I'd assumed it was already uploaded (I'd already committed it to git as released), but I have no .upload file so have no proof I uploaded it
[22:40] <pitti> bryceh: ok, thanks; just wanted to ensure it was intended, and not an "oops" :)
[22:41] <bryceh> pitti, well good catch
[22:42]  * pitti waves goodbye then, have a good weekend everyone!
[22:42] <bryceh> cya
[22:44] <Nafai> bye pitti!
[22:53] <cj> sshaw, everybody.  everybody, sshaw.
[22:55] <sshaw> is this the right channel to get some help with packages a desktop package on ubuntu
[22:58] <cj> sshaw: it's EOD on friday ;)
[22:58] <sshaw> :(
[22:59] <sshaw> not for me :)
[22:59] <Nafai> Hey sshaw
[22:59] <sshaw> Nafai: hi
[22:59] <sshaw> how goes it?
[22:59] <Nafai> Hi from a bit north of you :)
[22:59] <Nafai> good
[22:59] <sshaw> I'm not sure how far north?
[22:59] <sshaw> I knew you were in utah, but that's about it
[22:59] <Nafai> Pleasant Grove
[22:59] <sshaw> oh, so not too far north
[23:00] <sshaw> what are you doing again for canonical?
[23:00] <Nafai> desktop software engineer
[23:00] <sshaw> ah very cool
[23:00] <Nafai> working with these guys.  a little development, a little packaging, a lot of fun :)
[23:00] <sshaw> what aspect of the desktop?
[23:00]  * sshaw is still trying to learn ubuntu packaging
[23:01] <Nafai> right now, une (ubuntu netbook edition) and programmer oriented tools
[23:01] <sshaw> cool
[23:01] <sshaw> I imagine that the programmer oriented tools would be pretty cool
[23:02] <Nafai> yeah, it will be fun, haven't really started that, since I just started at the beginning of the month
[23:02] <Nafai> will get into it for the next dev cycle
[23:03] <sshaw> cool
[23:03] <sshaw> maybe you can help me out with my problem then
[23:03] <sshaw> it has to do with gnome and packaging if you are up for it
[23:05] <Nafai> I'm pretty new to some of it, for sure the person to help you would be seb128, but I imagine he's gone/asleep, he's in France.  He's our gnome packager dude
[23:05] <Nafai> What's up though?
[23:06] <sshaw> ah cool
[23:06] <sshaw> I'm getting an error when trying to run debuild with a package that has schema stuff in it
[23:07] <sshaw> I added a Build-Depends for libgconf2-dev, but it still fails
[23:07] <Nafai> could you pastebin the error?
[23:08] <sshaw> http://paste2.org/p/790302
[23:09] <Nafai> hrm
[23:09] <Nafai> sounds like an autoconf thingy
[23:09]  * Nafai looks at something
[23:10] <sshaw> I'm thinking its a build dependency issue.  I was getting the same thing on fedora until I added gconf2-devel
[23:11] <sshaw> maybe macros provided by that package?
[23:11] <Nafai> probably
[23:11] <Nafai> let me look at a similar package here
[23:11] <Nafai> could you pastebin your debian/control file?
[23:11] <sshaw> I added libgconf-dev, but no such luck
[23:11] <sshaw> yeah, one sec
[23:12] <sshaw> http://paste2.org/p/790308
[23:18] <Nafai> so I'm still new to this so I'm trying to figure it out
[23:19] <sshaw> that makes 2 of us :)
[23:19] <Nafai> could you pastebin for me the contents of the gconf2-devel package?
[23:19] <Nafai> (in fedora)
[23:19] <sshaw> probably not :(
[23:19] <cj> rpm -ql ?
[23:19] <sshaw> I don't have a fedora install handy
[23:19] <cj> ah...
[23:19] <cj> moment...
[23:20] <sshaw> for some reason its GConf2-devel on fedora
[23:20] <sshaw> this is on openSUSE http://paste2.org/p/790323
[23:20]  * cj asked a fedora-using friend for the list
[23:20]  * sshaw is too lazy to pull up his vm of fedora :)
[23:21] <sshaw> the case still applies to openSUSE though, so that should work as well
[23:21]  * cj would need to build a fedora vm from scratch
[23:21] <sshaw> brb
[23:22] <Nafai> ok, looking
[23:24] <Nafai> weird
[23:27] <sshaw> back
[23:28] <Nafai> so that autoconf macro is indeed in libgconf2-dev (in /usr/share/aclocal/gconf-2.m4)
[23:28] <Nafai> and if this worked for fedora without making any source changes, I'm a bit confused
[23:29] <Nafai> actually, are you just building this on a local Ubuntu system?
[23:29] <sshaw> yeah
[23:29] <sshaw> debuild
[23:29] <Nafai> do you have that package installed?
[23:29] <sshaw> yeah
[23:29] <Nafai> weird
[23:29] <sshaw> I might need to do an autoreconf
[23:29] <Nafai> Is the directory clean before you try to build?
[23:29] <Nafai> probably, actually
[23:29] <sshaw> not sure how to do that in ubuntu though
[23:29] <Nafai> (Just learning about autoconf foo)
[23:30] <sshaw> I imagine in the rules file?
[23:30] <Nafai> the autoreconf?
[23:30] <sshaw> Nafai: john jolly gave a presentation on it called the dark arts of autotools
[23:30] <cj> to clean the package, run 'fakeroot debian/rules clean'
[23:30] <Nafai> sshaw: Was it at UTOS a couple years ago?
[23:30]  * cj is an autotools hero (or so it's said)
[23:30] <Nafai> I may have actually been at that presentation, I just haven't used it since then :)
[23:30] <sshaw> Nafai: yeah
[23:31] <sshaw> I think so at least
[23:31] <Nafai> Novell dude, right?
[23:31] <sshaw> cj: then you are my hero :)
[23:31] <sshaw> yup
[23:31] <cj> oh, good.  you know where to find me ;)
[23:32] <cj> have you run pbuilder-satisfydepends?
[23:32]  * cj reads backlog
[23:32] <cj> 22:25 <wakko666> the reference points you want are:
[23:32] <cj> 22:25 <wakko666> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1043
[23:32] <cj> 22:25 <wakko666> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/GConf2/
[23:32] <cj> 22:26 <wakko666> koji has the complete file list for each build
[23:32] <cj> 22:26 <wakko666> fedora cvs has the spec files and patches for each release
[23:32] <cj> 22:26 <wakko666> for koji:  click a build, then click the "info" link on the package.
[23:32] <cj> 22:27 <wakko666> are you going to be at LinuxFest this weekend?
[23:32] <sshaw> yup
[23:32] <cj> oh... last for me ;)
[23:33] <sshaw> that's where I stole their packages from... actually easier to just grab the .src.rpm file tbh
[23:37] <sshaw> :(
[23:37] <sshaw> have to run.  I have computational theory studying calling my name
[23:37] <cj> what's the current problem?
[23:37] <cj> :)
[23:38] <sshaw> cj: perhaps on monday :)
[23:38] <cj> okay.  later, then.


[01:13] <devildante> vish: I finished the renaming :) you can find it here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/update-notifier/renaming/
[09:40] <bilalakhtar> I want to get a patch into ubuntu for package indicator-sound which has already been accepted upstream. since ff is now over, the patch is likely to skip maverick until we backport
[10:50] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: ping
[10:51] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: present?
[11:58] <devildante> hi all :)
[12:12] <devildante> vish: ping
[12:13] <vish> devildante: hey , yeah , noticed your message! nice work! , we probably have to remind mpt and get it approved again
[12:13] <devildante> vish: the renaming?
[12:14] <vish> devildante: mvo is off for one week or two?
[12:14] <devildante> vish: yes
[12:14] <vish> devildante: yeah , that one..
[12:14] <devildante> vish: maybe I should bug kiwinote?
[12:15] <vish> devildante: have you proposed a merge?
[12:15] <devildante> vish: no, I'll do it now
[12:16] <devildante> vish: done :) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/update-notifier/renaming/+merge/32661
[12:18] <devildante> hi, bilal :)
[12:18] <bilalakhtar> devildante: assalam alaikum
[12:18] <devildante> bilalakhtar: wa alaikum assalam
[12:19] <vish> devildante: we probably should merge that at somepoint into updatemanager itself..
[12:20] <devildante> vish: yeah...
[12:20] <bilalakhtar> I need to get an upstream-accepted patch into empathy (ubuntu). Should I wait for an upstream release update in ubuntu ( I know FF has come) or should I get it into Ubuntu through a desktop team member?
[12:20] <devildante> vish: but for now, I think we should just do this renaming :)
[12:20] <vish> devildante: yup :)
[12:21] <vish> !weekend | bilalakhtar
[12:21] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week.
[12:21] <bilalakhtar> vish: ken is here
[12:21] <bilalakhtar> vish: and a few might be here
[12:21] <vish> bilalakhtar: he is always logged in here ;)
[12:21] <bilalakhtar> vish: It is better to ask. If no reply comes, wait for Monday
[12:22] <devildante> vish: if you have time, could you check the changes in my branch? I may have broken something
[12:23] <vish> devildante: i'm not the best person to be checking the u-m code :)
[12:23] <bilalakhtar> devildante: ask me !
[12:23] <devildante> vish: technically it's u-n code :p
[12:23] <vish> devildante: no! ;p
[12:24] <bilalakhtar> I can help. give code, devildante
[12:24] <vish> devildante:  dont ask bilalakhtar! ;p
[12:24] <vish> just kidding! ;)
[12:24] <bilalakhtar> why?
[12:24] <bilalakhtar> lol
[12:24] <devildante> bilal: could you please check if I broke something in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/update-notifier/renaming/+merge/32661?
[12:24] <devildante> vish: :p
[12:26] <vish> devildante: i'v subscribed mpt to the bug as well..
[12:26] <devildante> vish: thanks
[12:26] <bilalakhtar> devildante: You took a difficult task
[12:26] <bilalakhtar> :D
[12:27] <bilalakhtar> vish: mpt is busy nowadays
[12:27] <devildante> bilal: :P
[12:27] <bilalakhtar> he said he won't be free until 2 weeks
[12:27] <vish> bilalakhtar: oh really? when/why ?
[12:28] <bilalakhtar> vish: 4 days ago
[12:28] <bilalakhtar> vish: He has taken leave for some reason
[12:28] <devildante> come on, why everybody's gone on vacation? :P
[12:29] <bilalakhtar> summer ^^
[12:29] <vish> bummer ... ;p
[12:29] <devildante> vish: is there a way to rename lp projects?
[12:30] <vish> devildante: i think we can..  iirc i did that a long while ago..
[12:30] <bilalakhtar> devildante: ask a question in launchpad
[12:30] <bilalakhtar> vish: I have done it once
[12:30] <bilalakhtar> devildante: ^^
[12:30] <devildante> vish, bilal: I think we can, since software-store was renamed to software-center
[12:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: Ask a question on the Launchpad project with the title 'Please rename project _________'
[12:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: nope, it wasnt done
[12:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: its still at https://edge.launchpad.net/software-store
[12:31] <devildante> bilal: https://launchpad.net/software-center
[12:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante is right
[12:32] <bilalakhtar> devildante: go to https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion and ask question
[12:32] <devildante> bilal: okay :)
[12:32] <bilalakhtar> devildante: exaqmple here https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/120906
[12:33] <devildante> bilal: choukran :)
[12:37] <devildante> bilal, vish: done :) https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/121093
[12:40] <bilalakhtar> devildante: now, poke mvo when he is back on work
[12:40] <vish> devildante: cool!
[12:40] <devildante> bilal: :P yeah, I'll do it
[12:40] <devildante> vish: thanks :)
[12:41] <bilalakhtar> vish 's 'cool!' reply has become a dialog
[12:41] <vish> heh
[12:42] <bilalakhtar> vish: BTW, who registered the papercuts project? Earlier, lp showed djsiegel did it, now it is showing someone else
[12:42] <bilalakhtar> ^^ same problem for Ubuntu. Earlier, it showed that Canonical Launchpad Engineering registered it, now its ubuntu-drivers
[12:44] <vish> bilalakhtar: not sure..
[12:46] <devildante> if I want to fix bug 617044, should I seek sponsorship or only a simple merge request?
[12:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617044 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdmsetup unlock screen doesn't show what is done (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617044
[12:47] <devildante> (knowing that gdmsetup is ubuntu-specific)
[16:31] <devildante> vish: is this still considered for implementation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues#Hassle-Free%20In-Session%20Updates
[16:33] <vish> devildante: thats not a final spec, it was just a proposal.. not sure if mpt has some secret plans for those.. :D
[16:34] <devildante> vish: I think this might be more appropriate: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling
[16:34] <vish> devildante: yeah , i'v seen that
[16:47] <devildante> vish: I actually coded some of the things in there :P
[16:50] <vish> devildante: wasnt your last update mainly from that link?
[16:50] <devildante> vish: yeah :p
[21:25] <bdrung> vish: around?
[21:25] <vish> bdrung: hey
[21:26] <bdrung> vish: can you update the patch for bug #604636?
[21:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604636 in cheese (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Description: Cheese is too "cheesy"! (affects: 1) (heat: 107)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604636
[21:27] <bdrung> vish: Failed to apply debdiff cheese_2.30.1-0ubuntu2.debdiff to cheese 2.30.1-1ubuntu1.
[21:27] <vish> bdrung: weird.. left me check it..
[21:27] <bdrung> vish: debian/changelog
[21:30] <vish> bdrung: not sure how i messed up the changelog.. let me do again now.. thanks.
[21:31] <bdrung> vish: not messed, just a new version was released that lead to this issue
[21:32] <bdrung> vish: please don't remove the old debdiff (just add the new one). i need it for testing sponsor-patch
[21:32] <vish> bdrung: sure, wont remove it.
[21:51] <vish> bdrung: done.. [updated the debdiff] , thanks..
[22:47] <bdrung> vish: uploaded
[22:47] <bdrung> vish: and sponsor-patch is ready for broader testing
[22:48] <vish> bdrung: cool! ..thanks