[12:05] <sivang> _mvo_: yes
[12:05] <sivang> mdke: okay, thanks
[12:06] <sivang> _mvo_: I just want a cd iso
[12:09] <sivang> _mvo_: you know where I can download one?
[12:10] <Pygi> sivang: ISO of what?
[12:10] <KaiL_> oh, cool
[12:10] <KaiL_> eh - wrong window ;)
[12:10] <sivang> Pygi: 5.10
[12:11] <sivang> Pygi: breezy, not DVD. releases.ubuntu.com has only DVD images
[12:11] <Burgwork> sivang, I believe that is due to the isntaller vuln
[12:11] <sivang> Burgwork: okay, so I better start downloading...
[12:11] <Mithrandir> sivang: uh?  http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ ?
[12:11] <Pygi> sivang: torrents?
[12:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: I arrived at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ from cdimage.u.c
[12:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: thanks
[12:37] <Pygi> damn, espresso just failed to install ubuntu :(
[12:39] <Pygi> people, wake up...flight 6 doesn't work
[12:41] <sladen> Pygi: how did it fail?
[12:42] <sladen> Pygi: what error messages were there?  Can you please file a bug at:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/espresso/+filebug
[12:43] <Pygi> sladen: grub installation failed, and once I fixed it, the system refused to boot at all
[12:44] <Pygi> sladen: I fixed everything with live cd, but Xserver refuses to load
[12:47] <sivang> good night all!
[12:48] <Pygi> night sivang
[12:49] <Pygi> bah, nevermind, drop that failing things, etc.
[12:49] <Pygi> everyone is sleeping mostly anyway or working :P
[12:58] <Fjodor> Does anyone know why I am having trouble linking against code compiled with the libstdc++5 things and gcc-3.3? Is this a bug that I need to file with you guys?
[01:01] <Seveas> you should recompile - everything in Ubuntu is compiled with 4.0 which is abi-incompatible with 3.3
[01:03] <Fjodor> Well, the whole point is to compile against the 3.3 things. I am trying out pathscale, which is based on 3.3
[01:06] <Fjodor> What made me think I might trouble you guys with it was, that dapper provides the 3.3-things, so I guess it should be possible to use it
[01:08] <Fjodor> Actually, it compiles fine, but fails on referenced in section `.rodata' of seti_boinc-schema_master.o: defined in discarded section
[01:08] <Fjodor> when linking
[01:10] <Fjodor> However, I won't hold it aginst you if you tell me to seek advice elsewhere :-)
[01:13] <Seveas> I'm no C++ expert, but as I understand it it's not possible to do what you want
[01:14] <Fjodor> Hmm, that's sort of a let-down. Can I ask you some questions in private about this, or are you busy?
[01:15] <Fjodor> ... and/or not interested :-P
[01:20] <Seveas> neither busy nor interested - but I'm off anyway (bedtime)
[01:21] <Fjodor> Fair enough. Thanks for your time anyway :-)
[01:21] <Fjodor> And sleep well
[02:07] <robertj> does anyone else get a warning dialog between the time they open the theme preference dialog and the time it appears but it goes away automatically?
[02:43] <jdong> guys, no Ubuntu april fools joke yet?
[02:45] <yves> a few
[02:45] <yves> @#ubuntu-motu: <kbrooks> has canonical merged with mandriva/
[02:45] <yves> :-D
[02:47] <whiprush> I'm waiting for the joke gdm splash like last time.
[04:24] <gonffen> wow it's sad when you can actually quote Hackers :\
[04:25] <Keybuk> I can quote pretty much any film I've seen, or any book I've read
[04:25] <Keybuk> you'd think it'
[04:25] <whiprush> hi Keybuk
[04:25] <Keybuk> d be useful at dinner parties, but it usually results in me getting stapped
[04:25] <Keybuk> stabbed too
[04:25] <Keybuk> whiprush: heyhey
[04:25] <gonffen> lol
[04:25] <whiprush> you think bug 37128 is a dupe of 37084?
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37128 in network-manager network-manager-gnome "nm-applet doesnt start" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37128
[04:26] <Keybuk> I've no idea
[04:26] <Keybuk> I must admit that I've tended to ignore most nm bugs
[04:26] <whiprush> It's currently crashing when there are entries in /etc/network/interfaces.
[04:26] <infinity> whiprush: Not entries, entries with extra info in the iface stanza.
[04:26] <Keybuk> looks the same
[04:27] <Keybuk> and looks like the bug infinity told me about
[04:27] <infinity> whiprush: (ie: anything more than just "iface eth1 inet dhcp")
[04:27] <whiprush> I fixed 95% of my n-m problems by replacing the madwifi in my X40 with an ipw2200. I recommend spending the money.
[04:27] <whiprush> infinity: k.
[04:27] <whiprush> So should I dupe these reports or .. ?
[04:27] <Keybuk> yeah if you like
[04:27] <Keybuk> fix it too :)
[04:28] <Amaranth> the firmware needed for the latest ipw2200 driver isn't redistributable, is it?
[04:28] <infinity> Amaranth: No less so than any previous version we've shipped.
[04:29] <Keybuk> infinity: I've pretty much decided NM isn't getting seeded at this point
[04:29] <Amaranth> infinity: It sounds like older vesions were ok
[04:29] <Keybuk> so I'm kinda slacking on bugs in it, and instead looking at better fruit
[04:29] <Keybuk> yeah
[04:29] <Amaranth> from this blog i'm reading
[04:29] <infinity> Keybuk: ... To desktop, or do you mean you're removing it from suported?
[04:29] <Keybuk> *my* patch to disable interfaces was fine
[04:29] <Keybuk> looks like the upstream functionality isn't
[04:29] <Keybuk> infinity: leave it in supported, just not in a meta package
[04:29] <infinity> Right, I assumed that's how it would end up.
[04:30] <infinity> (Well, it still seems a good fit for live...
[04:30] <infinity> )
[04:30] <infinity> Amaranth: And where is this blog?
[04:30] <Keybuk> yeah, less user configuration to get in the way of
[04:30] <Keybuk> NM is just *such* a bitch to get going when it's decided to be horrid
[04:30] <Amaranth> oh, i read it wrong
[04:30] <Amaranth> the problem is just that it needed new firmware
[04:30] <Keybuk> requires a degree in advanced fuckery just to get a working machine
[04:31] <whiprush> the wpa bugs keep piling up too.
[04:31] <Keybuk> wpa bugs?
[04:31] <Keybuk> on NM or suppository?
[04:31] <whiprush> on NM I mean
[04:31] <Keybuk> yeah
[04:31] <Keybuk> I still can't get it to work
[04:32] <infinity> It worked over here, in testing.
[04:32] <Keybuk> it's worked for some people
[04:32] <whiprush> It works great for some people
[04:33] <Keybuk> but for me, it just sits in a "yeah, associated, BUT NO CIGAR" state
[04:33] <Keybuk> I think it's NM being stupid
[04:33] <Keybuk> because WPA works perfectly if I just put the appropriate suppository stanzas in /e/n/i
[04:33] <infinity> Well, "it works great for some people" seems to be a good argument for the "ship it, but don't install it by default" state.
[04:34] <Keybuk> with the changes to wpasuppository itself though, I'm entirely happy for that to be seeded
[04:34] <Keybuk> want it in the minimal seed
[04:34] <Keybuk> along with wireless-tools
[04:36] <whiprush> Keybuk: a month ago you were kind of against this whole nm .6 thing. And at the time I thought you were crazy.
[04:36] <Keybuk> I'm still against it
[04:36] <whiprush> Now I'm thinking you were probably right
[04:37] <Keybuk> :o)
[04:37] <whiprush> now people assume that dapper will have working gui WPA support and whatnot.
[04:37] <whiprush> now you guys are kind of screwed. :-/
[04:37] <Keybuk> my experience of NM is not good
[04:37] <Keybuk> it's some of the worst code I've ever seen
[04:37] <Keybuk> I really do not like it
[04:37] <Keybuk> but hey
[04:37] <Keybuk> it's the second coming apparently
[04:37] <Keybuk> so I guess we have to ship it
[04:38] <whiprush> though, I think those guys from the community working on the problem is a good thing.
[04:38] <whiprush> Pity they weren't around like, 2 cycles ago. :-/
[04:42] <Amaranth> what ever happened to wifigui or whatever that project was called
[04:43] <Amaranth> it an ubuntuforums community project thing, written in python
[04:44] <Amaranth> gtkwifi
[04:45] <Keybuk> what did it do?
[04:45] <Amaranth> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=132677&ssid=18920
[04:46] <Amaranth> not dapper material but maybe something to take a look at for dapper+1
[04:46] <Amaranth> last release was almost a year ago though :/
[04:46] <Amaranth> May 15th, 2005
[04:47] <Amaranth> comments like "good job bsoft, works perfectly and is lighter weight the networkmanager" make me interested
[04:48] <Keybuk> that looks like what NM is trying to solve
[04:48] <Keybuk> and I don't see how that's addressed the permissions problems
[04:48] <Amaranth> sure, it has it's own problems
[04:49] <Amaranth> but it actually seems to work :P
[05:24] <infinity> mdz: Was requesting X SWAT membership and then deactivating same an intentional thing?
[05:25] <mdz> infinity: that is the only way for me to add bug contacts right now
[05:25] <mdz> by temporarily joining the team
[05:25] <infinity> Oh, special.
[05:51] <CarlFK> Kamion: preseed - partitioner is stuck in a loop or something
[05:52] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar31/d/
[06:04] <_TomB> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[06:16] <Amaranth> is it trying to be gentoo?
[06:17] <_TomB> it's changed again
[06:18] <Amaranth> purple and green, same as the first time i looked
[06:18] <LaserJock> hmm, some sort of sick April 1st joke?
[06:19] <_TomB> purple and musturdy color for me
[07:16] <YokoZar> does anyone here know something about reprepro?
[07:35] <zyga> hello
[07:35] <zyga> did you guys see the news, microsoft is buying cannonical!
[07:37] <_TomB> lol
[07:37] <nictuku> ah ok
[07:37] <Burgundavia> zyga: got a link?
[07:38] <zyga> Burgundavia: yes, just a moment
[07:39] <zyga> Burgundavia: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm
[08:10] <CarlFK> pasteland went crazy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11211
[08:11] <jsgotangco> happy april fools
[08:11] <CarlFK> tee hee
[08:11] <CarlFK> apparently if you submit the jibberish, you get goodness: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11212
[08:12] <Burgundavia> CarlFK: rot13
[08:13] <CarlFK> should that "Brokenpackages" be bugged?
[10:05] <Treenaks> omg... slashdot HAS ponies!
[10:05] <Treenaks> And we don't!
[10:05] <TomB|> ubuntuforums.org has powerpuff girls
[10:05] <Treenaks> TomB|: that's not a pony!
[10:06] <Lathiat> haha
[10:07] <TomB|> hehe
[10:10] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> slashdot is pink?!
[10:13] <Treenaks> UbuntuStudio, a wiki for using Ubuntu Linux for a digital music studio, redirects to FruityLoops.com, a Windows application.
[10:13] <Treenaks> ... http://www.nubuntu.org/
[10:14] <TomB|> hehe
[10:15] <jsgotangco> yeah go canonical go to a suing spree
[10:17] <Treenaks> What's it with all these sites turning pink and ponyish :)
[10:17] <Treenaks> Lots of sites seem share the same joke :)
[10:18] <TomB|> because its the new trend
[10:19] <jsgotangco> its becoming pretty lame after a few hours though
[10:20] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: yeah..it's only funny once.. if at all
[10:20] <jsgotangco> the first one i saw was with /. and it was funny
[10:20] <jsgotangco> but when i saw the forums have strange colors i wasn't that much surprised at all
[10:21] <jsgotangco> there's also the one with planet debian having linus
[10:45] <spoob> Is jdub aruond these days? Or is he away overseas?
[11:07] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I believe you just give ports/daily as the source rather than daily and publish-release will work the rest out for itself
[11:07] <Kamion> Mithrandir: oh, and you'll probably need to say ARCHES='hppa ia64 sparc'
[11:21] <sivang> morning all
[11:22] <maswan> Mithrandir: sorry, went to bed early. the cron job is running now, and ubuntu seems to have been synced, working on kubuntu now
[11:57] <giftnudel> is flight 6 the daily from yesterday?
[12:00] <Kamion> giftnudel: yeah
[12:00] <giftnudel> thanks
[12:00] <jsgotangco> my download suddenly died
[12:00] <jsgotangco> :/
[12:06] <ogra> no flight 6 announcement ? or is my mailserver dizzy ?
[12:06] <maswan> ogra: waiting for me
[12:06] <ogra> ah, k
[12:07] <maswan> my mirroring should be done in 15 minutes or so, then it is up to Mithrandir, Kamion or someone else to push out a release
[12:07] <maswan> cdimage is horribly slow to mirror from, otherwise the croned mirror would be done by now
[12:07] <ogra> i didnt want to be pushy :) just noted there is no announcement yet :)
[12:08] <maswan> I meant to be pushy wrt cdimage slowness. ;)
[12:11] <ogra> heh
[12:12] <infinity> Not everyone has more free academic bandwidth than they know what to do with. :P
[12:13] <torkel> infinity: just wait till we have 10G :-)
[12:13] <ogra> torkel, wait until we drop CDs and switch to DVDs :P
[12:18] <giftnudel> oh, if you install, pay attention that you don't select the wrong partition to be formatted
[12:19] <giftnudel> (at least for me, it did select the wrong as default ...)
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> Hm, isn't cdmirror a hefty little machine?
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> main archive is still pretty snappy.
[12:19] <infinity> HiddenWolf: Nothing wrong with the machines, the bandwidth out of the DC is crap.
[12:20] <HiddenWolf> infinity: oh, fun.
[12:20] <infinity> (You may think it's great, but you don't have as much of a pipe as maswan does...)
[12:20] <HiddenWolf> infinity, I couldn't care less, I have a straight 100mbit line to the isp across the street, which has a mirror. :)
[12:21] <HiddenWolf> Living in a converted office building across the street from my isp. ;)
[12:22] <HiddenWolf> I was just imagining what the dapper release would do, when we look at the stats from breezy. :)
[12:24] <Mithrandir> maswan: yeah, I noticed.  No worries. :-)
[12:24] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ok, let's try that, then. :-)
[12:25] <Mithrandir> ogra: the announcement was sent several hours ago, but it needs to be approved.
[12:25] <ogra> ah
[12:31] <maswan> Mithrandir: done
[12:32] <maswan> infinity: you guys should get more mirrors to take the load, and perhaps a mozilla-style bouncer for the images? :)
[12:33] <Mithrandir> maswan: we should, yes.
[12:33] <maswan> Mithrandir: Can it be the "OMG!! Ducklings!" release? ;)
[12:34] <Mithrandir> maswan: haha.  Dragonettes if so.
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> Mithrandir: any plans in that direction?
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> Mithrandir: the site was dead-slow for a week after breezy, imagine what Dapper will do.
[12:34] <maswan> Mithrandir: pfft. the poll on the fridge clearly showed that the dapper drake is a duck. :)
[12:34] <Mithrandir> HiddenWolf: not that I know of.  Flight 6, while announced today was released yesterday and is a very real release.
[12:34] <Znarl> maswan : It's slow not because of the data centre bandwidth but because one of the cdimage machines has poor disk IO.
[12:34] <Znarl> maswan : We plan to upgrade the machine in the next few days.
[12:35] <maswan> Znarl: Ah, ok. Great.
[12:35] <Mithrandir> maswan: that's just the plebe talking.
[12:35] <maswan> Znarl: What kind of new storage are you putting in?
[12:35] <Mithrandir> Znarl: now that we're doing some sort of QoS-ing, would it be possible to put maswan in the "free bandwidth" class?
[12:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: That'd only help network though, not disk
[12:36] <Znarl> Mithrandir : We are not yet doing QoS either.
[12:36] <Mithrandir> maswan: true, but I think network is a limiting factor.
[12:36] <Mithrandir> Znarl: we're just limiting bandwidth in total?  Or did we stop?
[12:38] <Znarl> We've stoped limiting bandwidth.  We had to limit before because a flight was released and a number of security updates at the same time.  We gave the bandwidth to the security updates and limited the flight.
[12:38] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
[12:39] <maswan> Znarl: Btw, you guys could go back to dumping more of cdimage releases traffic our way. We don't mind. :)
[12:39] <Znarl> There's a fast full mirror of cdimage here : http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/
[12:39] <maswan> Znarl: ftp.heanet.ie?
[12:39] <Znarl> maswan : Yes.
[12:39] <Mithrandir> Znarl: is that triggered by publish-release too?
[12:39] <Mithrandir> uh, sync-mirrors
[12:39] <Mithrandir> sorry.
[12:40] <Znarl> Mithrandir : Not setup as a trigger or push mirror yet.
[12:40] <Znarl> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ is a mirror in the US that has flights too.
[12:50] <Mithrandir> hmm, we didn't do ubuntu-server flight 6.  Should we?
[12:50] <jsgotangco> id love to test that
[12:51] <Kamion> no harm in it, if you want to
[12:51] <Kamion> although post-flight-6 uploads have already started
[12:51] <Mithrandir> it'd be fairly untested, but I don't see why not.
[12:51] <Mithrandir> sure, but that seems to mostly be gui stuff
[12:51] <Kamion> installer too
[12:51] <Mithrandir> hm, ok
[12:51] <Kamion> should be safeish though
[12:52] <Mithrandir> we do kubuntu ports too?
[12:52] <Mithrandir> I'll just tag it and we can we test it and see if it's good.
[12:52] <Kamion> not so far, AFAICR
[12:52] <Mithrandir> 1 15 * * *      for-project kubuntu cron.ports_daily; for-project kubuntu cron.ports_daily-live
[12:54] <Mithrandir> doesn't seem to be in the tree, though
[12:54] <Mithrandir> also, should we do flight releases of the DVDs?  (Next time, that is)
[12:55] <Kamion> not so keen on that for bandwidth reasons
[12:56] <Mithrandir> ok
[12:56] <Kamion> no objection to people actually starting to *test* the damn things, but ...
[12:56] <Mithrandir> we could just publish the torrents and rsync urls for them?
[12:57] <Kamion> s/ and rsync urls/ I think
[12:58] <Kamion> s/ and rsync urls// I think (er, yeah, mornings)
[12:58] <maswan> Mithrandir: or just publish the ie location? ;)
[12:58] <maswan> well, you might want to ask the mirror admin first, of course
[12:58] <Mithrandir> maswan: if they're fine with that, we could.  Else, it would be a bit harsh. :-)
[01:00] <Mithrandir> we don't have ubuntu-server live images? ;-P
[01:01] <maswan> I think they put that on the main image, but I'm not sure
[01:02] <maswan> server live = debsums, chkrootkit, other forensics
[01:10] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: do you want to test before or after I mark ubuntu-server as flight-6?
[01:15] <Znarl> cdimage preformance should improve shortly.
[01:19] <Mithrandir> there, ubuntu-server flight 6 released too
[01:20] <maswan> Mithrandir: should I mirror those too?
[01:20] <Mithrandir> maswan: I doubt we'll have a ton of interest, but please do feel free.  Both ports and ubuntu-server would be nice to have.
[01:20] <maswan> hmm.. I don't have an rsync line for ubuntu-server yet.
[01:21] <Mithrandir> it's just edubuntu with s/edubuntu/ubuntu-server/.
[01:22] <maswan> Mithrandir: Yeah, syncing now. Ports first.
[01:22] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[01:23] <Kamion> did you just build ubuntu-server on the spot and release it? :)
[01:23] <Kamion> or were there sensible dailies available?
[01:24] <maswan> "If it mkisofss, it's releasable - If it boots, it's perfect"?
[01:24] <Kamion> speaking of, I hope you at least rebuilt amd64 ... :)
[01:25] <maswan> Mithrandir: So, 1M/s sync speed, you can guess when it's done
[01:28] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I just built it and released it.
[01:29] <Harti> hello. is the package "wpasupplicant" now per default installed?
[01:29] <Mithrandir> based on the "what could possibly go wrong?" assumption
[01:29] <jsgotangco> ekk
[01:29] <jsgotangco> didnt notice
[01:29] <jsgotangco> i'm grabbing it anyway
[01:29] <jsgotangco> sorry
[01:30] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: if it's utterly broken, I'm not fussed to do flight-6.0.1 for ubuntu-server.
[01:30] <jsgotangco> no worries at least we'll know
[01:32] <Kamion> Mithrandir: cool.
[01:32] <Kamion> Harti: it will be in dapper; technical problems with the archive maintenance software mean it isn't quite installed by default yet
[01:32] <Kamion> (AFAIK)
[01:32] <Harti> Kamion: ok, thx
[01:34] <Kamion> (bug 37156, if you care)
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37156 in launchpad-upload-and-queue "can't change sections or priorities with change-override.py" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37156
[01:35] <Kamion> oh, hey, actually it's not blocked on that right now because somebody moved wpasupplicant to standard, so a new ubuntu-meta upload would sort it out
[01:35] <Kamion> but we really need to get the above bug sorted because wpasupplicant should be alongside wireless-tools in minimal
[01:37] <ploum> Hello..
[01:37] <ploum> I think this bug must be adressed before Dapper release :
[01:37] <ploum> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/37579
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37579 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't urge enough users to contribute to OpenSource" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[01:39] <j^> ploum 2006-04-01
[01:46] <jsgotangco> nice advocay bug though
[01:47] <jsgotangco> i'd download an ubuntu server to fix that :P
[01:53] <G0SUB> ploum: is that a april fools joke?
[01:55] <tseng> hm, my network manager is insiting on using /sbin/wpa_supplicant
[01:55] <tseng> not /usr/sbin
[01:56] <tseng> thusly failing on all encrypted networks
[01:58] <Lure> tseng: that is correct - install wpasupplicant from offical repo
[01:59] <tseng> Lure: ah, I knew it had to be that pre stuff
[01:59] <tseng> i checked version on nm only
[01:59] <Lure> tseng: I think even version is the same - remove and install again and it should work
[01:59] <ploum> G0SUB, guess...
[01:59] <tseng> thanks, couldnt find a bug report.
[02:00] <slomo_> hm, what happened to the buildds?
[02:00] <G0SUB> ploum: oh! I am a fool ... I rejected the bug :(
[02:02] <Kamion> slomo_: looks like they all fell over with socket errors - https://launchpad.net/+builds
[02:02] <Kamion> infinity: around?
[02:04] <giftnudel> where can I file bugs against the live cd? (under which component)
[02:05] <Kamion> giftnudel: casper if it's the live CD startup process; if it's a particular application on the live CD, then just file on that application
[02:07] <giftnudel> cool
[02:07] <giftnudel> thanks
[02:07] <giftnudel> than I will write some bug reports
[02:08] <giftnudel> then
[02:09] <jsgotangco> lol someone from the united nations list picked up the nubuntu joke
[02:11] <ploum> jsgotangco, what is the nubuntu joke ?
[02:11] <Yagisan> ploum: it's supposed to be a "security tools" version of ubuntu
[02:11] <ploum> G0SUB, any objection that I mark this bug as confirmed for today ?
[02:12] <Kamion> er ... nubuntu has been around for a while longer than April 1
[02:12] <ploum> well, it seems so.. I don't understand where the joke is
[02:12] <jsgotangco> Kamion, yeah but check out the site
[02:13] <jsgotangco> Canonical has asked for nUbuntu to Cease Development
[02:13] <Kamion> ah, heh
[02:14] <Yagisan> how long is it supposed to take gconf2 (2.14.0-1ubuntu1) to set up ? it's 20 minutes so far on a 2GHz amd64
[02:15] <azeem> Yagisan: gconf2 doesn't compute the answer to the question about life, the universe and everything
[02:15] <tseng> jsgotangco: is that the same guy who thought canonical was going to fund and host his project any day?
[02:16] <jsgotangco> nahhh
[02:16] <tseng> there are two projects called nubuntu, btw
[02:16] <jsgotangco> oh?
[02:16] <tseng> yeah.
[02:16] <_ion> azeem: Of course not, that would be rather redundant.
[02:16] <_ion> Instead it is computing the question.
[02:16] <Pygi> _ion: hi :)
[02:16] <_ion> Hi Pygi
[02:16] <_ion> What's up?
[02:17] <tseng> jsgotangco: .com and .org
[02:17] <bpuccio> wait, the nubuntu thing is an april fools? (I saw it on digg hours ago, but was waiting to see what the word from canonical was, but didn't see anything on the lists)
[02:17] <Pygi> _ion: nothing, made a joke on forum about nm ;)
[02:17] <_ion> pygi: URL please? :-)
[02:17] <jsgotangco> tseng, oh that's him then, doing the joke (.org)
[02:17] <Yagisan> azeem: it would be nice if it works soon. I'd like to use that box for motu related work
[02:17] <Pygi> _ion: sec pls
[02:18] <Pygi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=881226#post881226
[02:18] <Pygi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=881416#post881416
[02:18] <Pygi> find it somewhere pls
[02:18] <Pygi> I'll be back asap ;)
[02:18] <Kamion> bpuccio: guess
[02:18] <azeem> Yagisan: is it hung, or does it take up CPU tie?
[02:18] <azeem> time
[02:19] <_ion> pygi: Hehe.
[02:19] <_ion> Thomann (a company i ordered monitor speakers from) made a nice april fools joke. http://johan.kiviniemi.name/pictures/monitorit/
[02:19] <Yagisan> azeem: I think it's hung
[02:27] <G0SUB> ploum: please go ahead
[02:34] <G0SUB> _ion: what is the joke in damaged speakers?
[02:36] <maswan> Mithrandir: ports done, doing server now
[02:36] <Pygi> _ion: by monday, we need 0.6.2 ;)
[02:36] <_ion> g0sub: Well, i ordered non-damaged speakers. :-)
[02:36] <G0SUB> _ion: bah!
[02:37] <_ion> The speakers in the pictures are actually the ones they sent after i returned the ones they sent initially  those were faulty. :-D
[02:38] <G0SUB> agh!
[02:38] <G0SUB> _ion: the fault was with the courier guys I guess
[02:40] <_ion> g0sub: I wouldn't blame the postal service. Thomann had neglected to put some protective styrox over the speakers inside the cardboard box.
[02:40] <G0SUB> I see
[02:40] <G0SUB> _ion: is it a german company?
[02:40] <_ion> g0sub: Yes.
[02:41] <_ion> pygi: I'll try to build and upload j's 0.6.2 package to tonio's repo today.
[02:41] <G0SUB> _ion: have you tried Bose?
[02:41] <Pygi> _ion: no, no need for that ;)
[02:41] <Pygi> we need patches for 0.6.1 to 0.6.2
[02:41] <Pygi> that's all
[02:42] <_ion> You mean diff -Nru the-nm-0.6.{1,2}-tree?
[02:42] <_ion> g0sub: Bose?
[02:42] <G0SUB> _ion: yeah, Bose speakers
[02:43] <_ion> g0sub: Nope, i haven't.
[02:43] <G0SUB> _ion: have you heard about them?
[02:43] <_ion> g0sub: I have heard the name, but i don't know much about them.
[02:43] <Yagisan> w00t. now metacity hangs in unpack
[02:44] <Pygi> _ion: that, and we need to make sure the patches we applied against 0.6.1 are if some needed, make them work if they don't
[02:45] <_ion> pygi: Hm, okay...
[02:45] <Pygi> notice the "hm" :P
[02:46] <azeem> lifeless: I've uploaded the first few plugins now
[02:46] <G0SUB> _ion: http://bose.com/
[02:51] <lifeless> azeem: sweet
[02:57] <maswan> Mithrandir: done.
[03:02] <Mithrandir> maswan: yay, thanks
[03:04] <maswan> Mithrandir: thanks to Znarl too, for fixing me a bigger straw to suck bits through. :)
[03:04] <Mithrandir> maswan: mmm, straws.
[03:14] <bpuccio> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=67909965&m=207098011 The Bose FAQ (it started on usenet I think)
[03:24] <jsgotangco> fabbione, it seems we're getting some similar bugs regarding widscreen lcds for laptops not getting the correct rez with Intel 915?
[03:24] <fabbione> jsgotangco: possible...
[03:25] <fabbione> jsgotangco: ask them for the DEbuggingXAutoconfig thing
[03:25] <jsgotangco> yeah consolidating them as well
[03:26] <giftnudel> fabbione: what do you need exactly
[03:26] <giftnudel> everything on the wiki page?
[03:26] <fabbione> giftnudel: yes
[03:27] <giftnudel> fabbione: good, one nautilus bug to go, then I will do that
[03:29] <giftnudel> oho, ok, I have a 2 installs on my laptop, on just done with dapper, and one old one
[03:30] <giftnudel> with the installation, I get a hda1 mountpoint in /media/, which is on the desktop with the label "/", this is rather confusing
[03:31] <giftnudel> (I thought it was my root system, while it was the other installed system)
[03:31] <giftnudel> now my question: is this rather a installer bug, a desktop bug or something else?
[03:44] <j^> seb128 have you seen the problem with xv overlays beeing hidden by a gray square? the video only shows up after using something like alt-tab
[03:44] <seb128> no
[03:44] <j^> since i see it in gtk apps it might be some gtk issue
[03:45] <seb128> I doubt of it
[03:45] <seb128> do you have a bug number?
[03:45] <j^> i.e. i have a simple pygtk based player using gst
[03:45] <j^> that has that problem
[03:46] <j^> did not file a bug so far
[03:46] <j^> possibly i am just missing to call some repaint function,
[03:58] <Thingi> is anyone having trouble burning flight 6 on os x?
[04:04] <giftnudel> fabbione, jsgotangco: bug 37596 with all information regarding the i915 laptop
[04:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37596 in xorg "Flight 6: Wrong resolution with live cd (i915, 1400x1050)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37596
[04:04] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: what does sudo ddcprobe on the live cd say?
[04:05] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: before I do that, any other commands/files to recover (need to reboot)
[04:05] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: depends on what that gives you back. :-P
[04:06] <giftnudel> hehe
[04:06] <giftnudel> ok, I will boot my other pc
[04:09] <giftnudel> the cd needs way to much time to boot ...
[04:14] <Mithrandir> I know.
[04:15] <Mithrandir> it helps if you have plenty of memory though
[04:16] <ogra> many widescreen displays report the wrong size (i cant use 1280x800 on any of my laptops here with the new liveCD)
[04:17] <jsgotangco> yeah i'm collecting them they seem to be all i915
[04:17] <ogra> nope, i have one with ati and one nvidia based one
[04:17] <jsgotangco> ohh
[04:17] <ogra> both fell back to ask the resolution in breezy and now simply go to 1024x786
[04:18] <jsgotangco> seems prevalent among wxga displays
[04:18] <ogra> yep
[04:19] <Mithrandir> I wonder if it'd helped if we used the newer edid/ddc vesa calls
[04:19] <ogra> what bothers me is that we had the resolution question in the old CD, and the new one has no possibility to set a widescreen res at all ...
[04:19] <ogra> if we could have widescreen vesa modes and preseed from this, we could have them in the gfxboot menu ...
[04:20] <ogra> probably something to look at for dapper+1
[04:20] <Mithrandir> get me a few of the machines with problematic chipsets and I might be able to fix it.
[04:20] <ogra> s/vesa/framebuffer/
[04:20] <ogra> you wont get more out of dccprobe than the display reports :)
[04:21] <ogra> both i have here dont report it right ... it will need either manual override or a new form of probing ...
[04:22] <Chipzz> ogra: yea, grub was totally fucked up on my widescreen laptop
[04:22] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: what was the command you wanted?
[04:22] <Chipzz> ogra: actually, I think it is *necessary* for dapper
[04:22] <ogra> btw, for both the dexconf configuration on install falls back to ask for the resolution, i wonder how daniels solved to find out that it doesnt report it right
[04:22] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: sudo ddcprobe.  From the console, not in X.
[04:23] <Chipzz> ogra: grub did *not work at all* on my widescreen laptop, had to boot with livecd and fix
[04:23] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: which lines do you need
[04:23] <ogra> Chipzz, i fear its a bit to late to add such a feature in dapper, i guess it will require intrusive changes to dexconf ...
[04:24] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: highest resolution is 1280x1024, edidfail
[04:24] <ogra> Chipzz, a normal grub should just use textmode (80x24)... which shoult work everywhere
[04:24] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: edidfail is kinda bad.
[04:24] <Chipzz> ogra: everyone installing dapper on a laptop with widescreen may have that problem... do you want to risk fucked up bootloaders for all these people who install dapper?
[04:24] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: all of it, preferably.  Redirect it to a file and upload it to pastebin.com or something.
[04:24] <giftnudel> ok, I'll do that
[04:24] <ogra> Chipzz, grub is fine on all my machines here ...
[04:24] <Chipzz> ogra: I couldn't even boot windows...
[04:25] <ogra> usplash looks a bit stretched though
[04:25] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: grub is in text mode.
[04:25] <Chipzz> well local problem then I guess
[04:25] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: text mode is the default? hrrmm
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:25] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: yes, unless you upgraded in the short time span when we tried the gfx stuff in which case you still have it.
[04:26] <Chipzz> Mithrandir: ah then that will have been the problem...
[04:27] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: http://pastebin.com/634209
[04:29] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: it's probably the "cut out the best mode because that often doesn't really work".
[04:30] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: the fun part is, that doing a sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just enter on each step does give 1280x1024
[04:30] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: that's basically what the live cd does, though
[04:31] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: well, xresprobe shows 1400x1050
[04:38] <j^> pam_keyring would be nice to have... it depends on pam 0.99 though(http://www.hekanetworks.com/index.php/publisher/articleview/frmArticleID/25/staticId/31/)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> ciao guys goodnight
[05:40] <siretart> is there a trick with rsync iso images?
[05:40] <siretart> my rsync gets always stuck on the last few bytes
[05:42] <ogra> siretart, works for me
[05:43] <ogra> (i use a script for rsyncing http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh )
[05:46] <siretart> ogra: for me, rsync gets always stuck at about 90% :(
[05:46] <ogra> strange
[05:46] <ogra> which options do you use ?
[05:47] <siretart> rsync --partial --progress  --size-only --stats  cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/releases/dapper/flight-6/dapper-live-i386.iso .
[05:47] <ogra> hmm
[05:47] <ogra> did you try archive mode ? ( -a )
[05:49] <siretart> hm.. cdimage.ubuntu.com now resets my connection :( - I assume it just hates me now
[05:50] <ogra> or you have an rsync zombie somewhere
[05:50] <ogra> c.u.c only accepts max two connections from one IP
[05:51] <siretart> that could be it. I killed some rsync connections
[05:51] <siretart> well, have to leave anyway now. will try again on monday
[05:51] <siretart> cu
[05:51] <ogra> bye
[06:25] <zul> heylo
[06:26] <infinity> Kamion: pong.  I assume it'a sbout the builddmaster deciding all the build-slaves were offline?... Drunk, but fixing nonetheless.
[06:31] <Kamion> infinity: right ...
[06:31] <Kamion> happy drunkenness :)
[06:33] <infinity> Kamion: Fixed, cheers (in more ways than one).
[07:06] <Chipzz> ok, I know this isn't a support channel, but does anyone know what is up with firefox? It renders characters with a small width too small, like i and l (http://nighty.safehex.be/fle.png)
[07:06] <Chipzz> anyone else seeing this?
[07:07] <slomo_> that's a known problem and not only in firefox... but i don't have a bug number at hand ;)
[07:07] <Chipzz> it started after fontconfig pulled in the extra set of fonts...
[07:07] <slomo_> Chipzz: bug #34178
[07:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34178 in pango1.0 libpango1.0-0 "Pango kerning is bad" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34178
[07:08] <gouchi> Hi
[07:09] <gouchi> is there a reason why Ubuntu didn't have iteractive boot ? (pressing I at boot time)
[07:09] <Chipzz> probably cause no-one has come around to implementing it yet?
[07:10] <gouchi> ah ok, because it will be good feature
[07:10] <Chipzz> and most likely because ubuntu is debian-based and debian doesn't have it either ;)
[07:10] <gouchi> yep ;-)
[07:10] <Chipzz> is there any reason to have it appart from "I want it"? ;)
[07:11] <Chipzz> afaik that's a rh specific feature, too :)
[07:11] <gouchi> I didn't want, it was a friend who is using Ubuntu request it
[07:11] <gouchi> Chipzz : gentoo has, mandriva too IIRC
[07:12] <Chipzz> what would be nicer is to have usplash being able to accept input at all ;P
[07:12] <gouchi> yep
[07:12] <Chipzz> like the passphrase for the key to mount a partition
[07:18] <infinity> Chipzz: Usplash can handle input fine, if you know what you're doing.
[07:19] <Chipzz> infinity: hrrm I should rephrase: allow a nice input box or sth ;)
[07:19] <infinity> (It won't echo it back, but who wants a passphrase on their screen anyway?)
[07:19] <Chipzz> are there actually other use cases for input in usplash?
[07:20] <infinity> Yeah, hitting <enter> to eject the CD on reboot in the livefs. ;)
[07:20] <infinity> (This is where we first started looking at "hey, can the thing accept input?" a few days ago.
[07:20] <infinity> )
[07:20] <Chipzz> yea, but you don't need an input box or anything for that ;)
[07:21] <Chipzz> you can just echo "Press enter to eject cd-rom" and read an enter ;)
[07:21] <infinity> You don't NEED an input box for passphrases either, I suspect.
[07:21] <Chipzz> no not /need/, but it would be nice, since you're actually typing more than one character
[07:21] <infinity> Same argument, "Type your passphrase for foo:", read, check, echo response, carry on.
[07:22] <Chipzz> uhu, except if you want stars to appear instead of your pasphrase
[07:22] <infinity> Proper password entry (despite current trends in GUIs) shouldn't echo anything anyway, IMO.
[07:22] <Chipzz> that's a matter of taste I guess :)
[07:22] <infinity> It's not terribly helpful to security to announce to everyine that your password is exactly N characters long.
[07:22] <infinity> eevryone, too.
[07:23] <infinity> Or whatever.  Drinking and typing don't mix.
[07:23] <Chipzz> gdm does it too ;)
[07:23] <infinity> Yes, hence my reference to "GUI applications"
[07:23] <giftnudel> infinity: you can reboot the lifecd with enter
[07:23] <giftnudel> but it doesn't show
[07:23] <infinity> You won't see "Password: *****" in many CLI apps, and you won't see it in usplash, unless my job is threatened over it.
[07:24] <giftnudel> see bug 37602
[07:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37602 in initscripts "Flight 6: Live CD doesn't reboot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37602
[07:24] <infinity> giftnudel: Yes, this is being fixed in the next week, based on evidence gathered in the last few days. :)
[07:24] <giftnudel> ok
[07:24] <giftnudel> anyway, have to go
[07:39] <infinity> jdong: Dude, register with nickserv, I can't send you private messages.  Tsk.
[07:40] <infinity> jdong: Err, wait, it's me who's not logged in.  Feh.
[07:58] <inflate> hello, somebody know how I can 'remaster' (k)ubuntu install CD? I want to add/remove some packages from CD to fill my needs, any help?
[08:01] <lionelp> inflate: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo may help you
[08:01] <ploum> lionelp, arf... I was looking for it !
[08:01] <ploum> (nice name ;-) )
[08:01] <lionelp> ploum: :-)
[08:03] <inflate> lionelp: I've tried it, for some reason, it cannot install kubuntu-desktop package
[08:03] <inflate> in the modified image
[08:03] <inflate> every thing is installed except the main thing :(
[08:08] <inflate> there is no other way?
[08:25] <sladen_> infinity: crypted swap/root requires a password and usplash is in the initramfs so is already running by then
[09:21] <nyu> hi
[09:21] <nyu> what is the equivalent of incoming.debian.org in ubuntu?
[09:21] <ploum> nyu, there is not AFAIK
[09:22] <ploum> because repository is updated as soon as the package is build
[09:22] <ploum> unlike debian where the repository is updated once a day
[09:22] <nyu> ah
[09:22] <ploum> (I might be wrong but it's how I understand things)
[09:23] <crimsun> nyu: we upload to upload.ubuntu.com, but there's no public-facing view for it.
[09:23] <nyu> but, the packages stay there for a while?
[09:23] <crimsun> at most 6 minutes.
[09:23] <nyu> a recently closed bug refers to an upload that isn't in ftp.ubuntu.com yet
[09:23] <nyu> #37011
[09:24] <nyu> or maybe i miss-understood it
[09:25] <lionelp> nyu: it is said that it will be uploaded after Flight 6 released
[09:25] <lionelp> and flight 6 as been released few hours ago
[09:26] <nyu> uhm yes, i got the notification mail during the last hours too :)
[09:26] <lionelp> so maybe it has not been released yet
[09:26] <lionelp> s/released/uploaded/
[09:27] <nyu> ah
[09:27] <nyu> so what does the post with a changelog entry mean?
[09:28] <crimsun> it means it's being uploaded
[09:28] <crimsun> and in this case, it _has_ been uploaded.
[09:28] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ apt-cache madison langpack-locales
[09:28] <crimsun> langpack-locales |     2.3.13 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[09:29] <nyu> aah, ftp.ubuntu.com is not the master site? :)
[09:30] <nyu> uhm curious.  there's source but no .deb
[09:32] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/181349
[09:32] <nyu> ah, you do source-only uploads and then buildds pick it?
[09:32] <crimsun> yes.
[09:33] <nyu> i see
[09:34] <Amaranth> how else would you do it?
[09:34] <crimsun> in Debian, binary packages are uploaded.
[09:35] <Amaranth> wha?
[09:37] <nyu> Amaranth: source-only uploads are forbidden, even
[09:38] <Amaranth> uh
[09:38] <Amaranth> april fools?
[09:38] <nyu> no
[09:39] <crimsun> Amaranth: take a look at incoming.debian.org
[09:40] <Amaranth> what do you need a buildd for then?
[09:40] <nyu> Amaranth: for the other arches
[09:40] <nyu> normaly uploads just contain binaries for one arch
[09:40] <Amaranth> ok so you upload source + the binary for your arch
[09:40] <Amaranth> that seems...fragile
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> complicated, too
[09:41] <nyu> I don't like it either, but there are some advantages
[09:42] <bddebian> nyu: When did you come to the "Dark Side"? :-)
[09:44] <nyu> bddebian: I didn't, it's just a temporary visit ;)
[09:44] <nyu> I'm contributing a pair of minor fixes
[09:46] <Kamion> crimsun: bit longer than 6 minutes, but yeah
[09:46] <Kamion> our archive cycle is an hour at the moment; if you upload just as the publisher run is starting, it'll take about an hour and 20 minutes to be visible
[09:46] <nyu> hi Kamion
[09:47] <Kamion> Amaranth: the reason for it is that it forces developers to actually build it on at least one architecture - evidence from Ubuntu suggests that if you don't do that, developers will happily upload crap that doesn't build ...
[09:47] <Kamion> nyu: hi
[09:47] <Amaranth> Kamion: hehe, good point
[09:47] <Kamion> nyu: the buildds were down for a while earlier; they're probably still catching up
[09:48] <nyu> Kamion: ah fine.  I could check with the source already, so no prob
[09:48] <Kamion> oh, but it was only uploaded at 19:40 anyway
[09:48] <Kamion> ftp.ubuntu.com is the master (well, the master mirror; there's a hidden real master) although we normally call it archive.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <bddebian> nyu: Ah :-)
[10:02] <nyu> bddebian: one of them is done, it seems.  now i'm just waiting for Kamion to upload localechooser ;)
[10:03] <Kamion> oh, yeah, I have some localechooser stuff queued up ...
[10:07] <mgalvin> is there a way in lauchpad to determine how many bugs where closed during a given timeframe?
[10:09] <mgalvin> i though it would be nice, since bug guts are flying all over the place, to include those numbers in the next release overview to provide an example of how much effort is *really* going into polishing dapper
[10:09] <nyu> Kamion: :)
[10:15] <Kamion> nyu: righto, fix on its way (will need a debian-installer upload before it takes effect, though; that'll be before Flight CD 7 at the latest)
[10:17] <nyu> Kamion: nice, thanks!
[10:17] <nyu> flight cd 7 == dapper 6.07 ?
[10:18] <pitti> nyu: no, dapper will be 6.06 (the final release)
[10:18] <nyu> ah.. so, 7.00 ?
[10:18] <pitti> nyu: the flight CDs are intermediate and (semi)regular testing versions for the final dapper version
[10:18] <nyu> ahm
[10:19] <pitti> nyu: no, flight 7 is something like 6.06 alpha7
[10:19] <nyu> ah i see
[10:20] <Kamion> ("Flight" is the collective noun for drakes (whether dragons or ducks) ...)
[10:20] <nyu> heh
[10:20] <nyu> funny
[10:21] <Kamion> urgh, localechooser's totally changed in trunk, that'll be fun to merge after dapper
[10:21] <Kamion> oh well, will worry about that later
[10:23] <Mithrandir> Kamion: again?    Given that we make it a fair bit more complicated.
[10:29] <Kamion> nah, languagelist simplification
[10:29] <Kamion> I think we can deal
[10:29] <Kamion> (watching, not visiting ...)
[10:29] <Mithrandir> oh, that'd be very nice, yes
[10:29] <pitti> Kamion: soccer/football/whatever?
[10:30] <Mithrandir> pitti: political soap opera
[10:51] <G0SUB> on what basis does the update-manager decide if a restart is required or not?
[10:51] <pitti> G0SUB: it doesn't. package maintainer scripts have to request this
[10:52] <G0SUB> pitti: hmm, how?
[10:52] <_ion> A postinst script may run /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required
[10:52] <G0SUB> is there anyway to know which package is requesting the reboot?
[10:55] <G0SUB> btw, the Flight6 page says that the notifications and tooltips now have drop-shadows ... I am on dapper but I don't see those
[11:10] <SteveA> anyone interested in looking into a problem getting vnc on dapper to talk to a mac mini?
[11:21] <pajama> Hi, I'm trying to install Dapper Flight 6 booting with PXE... but it fails with an error while copying files: "base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/kernel/failed-install"
[11:22] <pajama> it looks like it's the package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-19-386
[11:23] <pajama> I have mounted the ISO to be served from Apache... and in the Apache logs I'm getting a 404 for "/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/"
[11:23] <pajama> the installer is looking for that directory in the ISO, but it is not there
[11:24] <pajama> has anybody had any luck installing Dapper F6 using PXE??
[11:25] <pajama> sorry, I've just read the Topic.... sorry..... I'm going to #ubuntu


[09:36] <SyL> I'm using ubuntu in Amazon EC2 and I can't seem to install sun-java because I can't agree to the license. any suggestions?
[10:10] <lifeless> http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/using-uec-instead-of-ec2/
[10:10] <lifeless> under point 14


[02:53] <paultag> Hey release-ers. I was working with someone in Debian, and he requested a FFe (LP: #849167) which closes RC bug LP: #820983. It's a bugfix only upload, but it requires dropping the ubuntu1 patch (which failed to fix what it was intended to fix). Can someone triage, please?
[03:17] <ScottK> If it's bugfix, it doens't need release team review.
[03:18] <paultag> ScottK: Is there any chance you could fill me in on some of the process? I was just helping a friend, and I don't really know how to handle the paperwork
[03:18] <ScottK> Subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug and someone will review.
[03:19] <paultag> ScottK: cheers
[09:34] <Laney> we ask for FFe for dh_python2 transitions, but what about others? (CDBS → dh in this case)
[09:54] <pitti> Laney: I guess it could be argued that they need an FFE, but personally I don't care much
[09:54] <pitti> it's a matter of debdiffing the binaries to check the result
[10:14] <maxb> Would someone be able to tell me what is unusual about ubuntu/pool/universe/libc/libcdio/libiso9660-7_0.81-4_amd64.deb ?  It appears to be a 404 on archive.ubuntu.com, a 403 on gb.archive.ubuntu.com, but accessible on de.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <Laney> pitti: thought as much, ta
[10:15] <cjwatson> maxb: the only unusual thing I can see is that it's a symlink into main
[10:16] <maxb> Hmm... so that would explain the 403 if gb.a.u.c is configured with a http server that won't follow symlinks
[10:17] <maxb> It's a 404 on archive.ubuntu.com even changing universe to main
[10:18] <jpds> Last sync failed.
[10:24] <jpds> maxb: OK now?
[10:26] <maxb> Yes, that works - thanks
[11:12] <jussi> Anyone know when skaet usully arises from her slumbers?
[11:16] <nigelb> jussi: Somewhere around when Texas wakes up :)
[11:25] <ScottK> Laney: I think build system changes are feature changes that should be reviewed, but OTOH if someone forgets to ask, I'm not going to go hunt them down unless they break something.
[11:26] <davmor2> jussi: I'm gonna say approximate 14:00-ish gmt
[11:26] <jussi> davmor2: excellent, thank you
[11:27] <davmor2> jussi: most of the states are online between 14:00-16:00 so somewhere around then at any rate :)
[11:27] <jussi> ok
[11:27] <ScottK> I guess I should go back to bed then.
[11:28] <slangasek> I definitely should
[11:28] <davmor2> ScottK: you slangasek and persia ar eall androids so use UTC I'm sure of it :D
[11:28] <davmor2> see ^
[11:29] <ScottK> Sleep is for the weak.
[11:29] <davmor2> sleep is something you do when you die right?
[11:29] <ScottK> There's even a song about that.
[11:30] <davmor2> ScottK: there are several with the line in :)
[11:30] <davmor2> so it must be true the song said so
[11:30] <ScottK> No doubt, but it's the title of a Frank Zappa song.
[11:32] <ogra_> \o/
[11:34] <davmor2> ScottK: Indeed,  and also sung by Meatloaf, bon jovi, guns'n'roses, some bond theme has it I'm sure oh and others
[11:37] <nigelb> I'm glad I'm not the only person awake all night.
[11:40] <davmor2> nigelb: you're a rank amateur at it ;)
[11:41] <nigelb> I'm not sure if I wwant to be pro :P
[12:20] <lamont> slangasek: cjwatson skaet (anyone)... any armel livecd images planned in the next hour or 2? I need to do some work on annonaceae
[12:21] <slangasek> speaking only for myself and the crontab, no
[12:21] <lamont> slangasek: ta
[12:21] <cjwatson> me neither
[12:22] <lamont> buildd's ssh auth keys file is currently disabled, fwiw
[12:22] <cjwatson> would like the x86 ones to keep working though
[12:22] <lamont> purely an armel activity
[12:22] <lamont> total of 5 arm boxes are getting better disks, and I need to migrate things, starting with 4 of the lp-buildds
[12:22] <lamont> *aceae.buildd
[12:23] <lamont> (for many, but not all, values of "*")
[12:30] <ogra_> lamont, well, i was just fiddling with mx5 images but i will wait for infinity anyway
[12:31] <ogra_> and worst case i can switch to sycamore for the moment
[12:34] <lamont> ogra_: once the rsync finishes, it's a couple commands and a reboot
[12:34] <ogra_> yeah, no hurry, i'm stuck anyway
[12:35] <ogra_> (somehow mx5 is convinced it builds a DVD and not a preinstalled image and i cant find out why)
[12:41] <lamont> lucky you
[12:42] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[12:42] <lamont> in a different question, wtf does the lucid arm redboot world think that fsck can be omitted from the initramfs?
[12:42] <ogra_> muight be cjwatson's fault though i think there was something about the usb key stuff he fixed last night ... and that i end up with 1.6G ext3 files from live-build is suspicious
[12:43] <ogra_> lamont, how do you mean ?
[12:43] <lamont> gonna need some bigger CDs
[12:43] <ogra_> redboot doesnt do anything with the initrd but loading it
[12:43] <lamont> ogra_: buildd reboots with errors on /dev/sda1, fails to boot, because fsck.ext2 is missing
[12:43] <ogra_> everything else is kernel
[12:43] <lamont> seems to be localized to the bbg3 machines
[12:43] <ogra_> uh, oh
[12:43] <lamont> ergo "armel redboot world"
[12:44] <ogra_> yeah
[12:44] <lamont> but yeah, absolutely nothing to do with redboot itself
[12:44] <ogra_> i thought you mean redboot does anything with the initrd it shouldnt
[12:44] <lamont> it unpacks it.  that's not nothing. :p
[12:44] <ogra_> shouldnt mountall pull that into the initrd ?
[12:44] <ogra_> fsck i mean
[12:45] <lamont> one would expect something to.  I'll check into lucid's mountall
[12:46] <lamont> zcat < /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-24-omap | cpio -t | grep fsck
[12:46] <lamont> 24033 blocks
[12:46] <lamont> iz fact on bbg3 boards and beaglexm
[12:47] <ogra_> wow
[12:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: mountall is not run from the initrd
[12:47] <ogra_> i thought mountall is what ships the fsck parts into initrd
[12:47] <cjwatson> no, nothing does
[12:47] <ogra_> oh
[12:47] <cjwatson> there is a wishlist somewhere for making the initramfs generally more useful for recovery which would include fsck
[12:47] <cjwatson> but it's a feature
[12:47] <cjwatson> mountall runs from the real system not the initramfs
[12:48] <cjwatson> bug 512349
[12:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512349 in baltix (and 2 other projects) "include filesystem repair facilities in initramfs (affects: 3) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512349
[12:48] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:48] <lamont> cjwatson: it's a personally annoying feature when you have to have someone physically in the data center to reboot the machine
[12:48] <ogra_> lamont, what are the exact fs errors you see ?
[12:48] <lamont> /sbin/fsck.ext2 /dev/sda1
[12:48] <lamont> e2fsck 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010)
[12:48] <lamont> ext2fs_check_if_mount: Can't check if filesystem is mounted due to missing mtab file while determining whether /dev/sda1 is mounted.
[12:48] <lamont> /dev/sda1 contains a file system with errors, check forced.
[12:48] <lamont> and no actual errors
[12:49] <lamont> during the run
[12:49] <lamont> anyway, buttercup and kaylaberry are back in the game now that I've fscked them
[12:50] <ogra_> hmm, sad, i was hoping for RTC relations
[12:51] <cjwatson> normally the initramfs can still do a read-only mount and the lack of fsck should not block it
[12:51] <cjwatson> perhaps there's a 'rw' argument telling it not to do that?
[12:52] <ogra_> hmm, could be that there is no ro on the cmdline
[12:52] <ogra_> but that should still default to ro, no ?
[12:52] <cjwatson> yes
[12:52] <cjwatson> though I haven't checked lucid, only oneiric
[12:53] <lamont> having a machine that refuses to boot until someone manually gets fsck into the initramfs and runs it strikes me as something closer to a bug than a feature
[12:53] <ogra_> we surely never set rw explicitly
[12:53] <ogra_> lamont, whats your cmdline ?
[12:54] <lamont> console=ttymxc0,115200n root=UUID=ff4d3b1f-c1f2-4a63-859c-71395c87e61c
[12:55] <ogra_> looks fine
[12:55] <ogra_> not that then
[12:55] <cjwatson> lamont: point is that the absence of fsck from the initramfs should not cause that bug
[12:55] <lamont> maybe I'll see if I can reproduce it on the home-panda
[12:55] <cjwatson> fsck is not meant to be required in the initramfs for booting
[13:00] <cjwatson> oh, *finally*, a working zh_CN livefs build
[13:00] <cjwatson> only about ten attempts later
[13:00] <cjwatson> now I can see what the output looks line
[13:00] <cjwatson> *like
[13:03] <ogra_> GRRR ... why is *every* armel package on the ftbfs list i look at a GL issue
[13:10] <ScottK> ogra_: I see a lot of /usr/include/GL/glext.h:5072:19: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef ptrdiff_t GLintptr' - Is that what you're hitting?
[13:10] <cjwatson> that's standard GL vs. GLES, AIUI
[13:10] <ogra_> ScottK, yes, i saw that in several packages
[13:10] <ogra_> right
[13:11] <ScottK> /usr/include/GL/glew.h has the same typedef.
[13:11] <ogra_> but often needs more than just changes of the build dep sadly
[13:11] <ScottK> I have no frickng clue why there's anything armel specific in there.
[13:11] <ogra_> GLES vs GL
[13:12] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Is mesa-common-dev GLES on armel?
[13:12] <ogra_> not armel specific ... GPU specific :)
[13:13] <ScottK> I see.
[13:13] <ogra_> there is a specific gles lib iirc
[13:13] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:13] <ScottK> In the case I'm looking at it's not installed.
[13:13] <ScottK> Oh, wait.  It is.
[13:14] <ogra_> well, usually you need to change the build-dep, change configure to use GLES if possible and then clean up the fallout for missing or different declarations
[13:16] <cjwatson> it'd be helpful if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/FTBFS discussed this for more than the Qt case
[13:30] <mvo> pitti: I have a merge proposal for a update-manager httplib2 change, but it would add python-httplib2 to update-manager-cores and via that to ubuntu-standard - is that something acceptable at this point? the caching is greatly improved with that branch but its not OMG critical
[13:34] <pitti> mvo: that sounds like it would restructure some code from e. g. urllib to python-httplib2?
[13:34] <pitti> mvo: as for the dependency, that's mainly a question for the server guys (Daviey)
[13:36] <mvo> pitti: yeah, the code itself is fine, I'm mostly concerned about the new dependency at this point, I will eventually merge it for P, I'm pretty certain about that
[13:40] <micahg> pitti: you should've rejected my dh_python2 conversions due to the extraneous X-Python-Version field since there was no minimum specified before :)
[13:41]  * micahg just got yelled at in #debian-python...
[13:43]  * micahg guesses that goes beyond the call of duty for the release team review though
[13:43] <ScottK> micahg: They are not required, but they don't actually hurt beyond making the source very slightly larger.
[13:45] <micahg> ScottK: that was the impression I had, but #debian-python said otherwise
[13:45] <lamont> cjwatson: for tracking, where should I file the (lucid/maverick at least) bug about needing ext2 for boot?  (note that the machines in question were not installed via the normal install processes, so it's likely pebcak)
[13:45] <lamont> s/ext2/fsck/
[13:45] <ScottK> micahg: I saw.  I'm not quite as pedantic as some other people.
[13:59] <cjwatson> lamont: not sure, I guess initramfs-tools for starters
[14:02] <lamont> ok
[14:11]  * ogra_ wonders if febootstrap is what he suspects
[14:26] <charlie-tca> Can we try a respin of Xubuntu Alternate images. There are no errors in the log, but the install fails and there was an email notiification for a fail
[14:27] <cjwatson> what did the notification say?
[14:27] <cjwatson> ah, well, if nothing else report.html is non-empty
[14:28] <pitti> micahg: sorry, missed that
[14:28] <charlie-tca> xubuntu/daily: Uninstallable packages:
[14:28] <cjwatson> has abiword installability been fixed then?
[14:28] <charlie-tca> abiword 2.8.6-0.3ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries:
[14:28] <charlie-tca>   * abiword (amd64 i386)
[14:28] <charlie-tca>   * abiword-plugin-grammar (amd64 i386)
[14:28] <charlie-tca>   * abiword-plugin-mathview (amd64 i386)
[14:28] <charlie-tca>   * libabiword-2.8 (amd64 i386)
[14:28] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-meta 2.137 produces uninstallable binaries:
[14:28] <cjwatson> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/report.html)
[14:28] <charlie-tca>   * xubuntu-desktop (amd64 i386)
[14:29]  * cjwatson checks in chdist to see if that's actually been fixed
[14:29] <charlie-tca> yes, that is the notification
[14:29] <micahg> pitti: well, according to ScottK it's YMMV, so not your fault
[14:29] <charlie-tca> Why doesn't http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/oneiric/daily-20110914.log show anything?
[14:29] <micahg> cjwatson: it installed fine on my ubuntu-desktop oneiric setup
[14:29] <cjwatson> because it's not a CD *build* failure
[14:29] <micahg> *abiword
[14:30] <cjwatson> the images built successfully, they just contain uninstallable pieces
[14:30] <cjwatson> it's often useful to have the output anyway
[14:30] <charlie-tca> So, file a bug with the logs?
[14:31] <cjwatson> no
[14:31] <cjwatson> micahg: agreed, it seems fine in chdist
[14:31] <cjwatson> I'll respin now
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[14:31] <micahg> cjwatson: thansk
[14:31] <micahg> *thanks
[14:52] <lamont> slangasek: cjwatson skaet (anyone)... annonaceae is back over to all y'all, fwiw
[14:55] <slangasek> thanks :)
[15:16] <lamont> mucking about with archive/i386 - manualized
[15:16] <lamont> should be back in a couple min
[15:17] <lamont> and we're back
[16:41] <charlie-tca> I need yet another respin. Something is wrong with the mirrors or server because it refuses to allow abiword to work.
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Please respin Xubuntu Alternates again
[16:50] <Laney> phwoar, nbs looks good
[16:50] <Laney> nice
[16:52] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: it's not clear that respinning will help, then
[16:52] <cjwatson> I don't want to respin if nobody understands the problem
[16:53] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: okay
[17:12] <charlie-tca> bug 850172 for Xubuntu failing to install
[17:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850172 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Oneiric Alternate images fail to find abiword dependencies when building images (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850172
[17:32] <charlie-tca> failure on two different hardware systems
[18:19] <cjwatson> hm, no local copy of xubuntu-oneiric-alternate-i386.iso
[18:19] <cjwatson> UNLEASH THE JIGDO
[18:22] <hyperair> hi. is it feasible to sync a libgpod 0.8.2 from debian at this point?
[19:18] <cyphermox> hi, could someone please ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/849994 ?
[19:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 849994 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "FFE: add NetworkManager DUID support (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[23:33]  * cjwatson goes to see if he can decipher the Xubuntu failure before falling asleep
[23:35] <charlie-tca> thank you very much, but sleep might be more important
[23:36] <cjwatson> I have fairly frequent insomnia, it may be important but it's not always an option :-/
[23:36] <cjwatson> might as well do something useful with it
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Then again I will say "Thank you very much". Your help is very much appreciated.


[12:38] <ardchoille> I feel this link should be posted in all ubuntu channels and possibly in the topics: http://tinyurl.com/ypjs7q
[12:40] <Pici> Did you read it? Its pretty bad PR for Ubuntu
[12:40] <ardchoille> Pici: Oh, in that case, belay my last. Sorry about that.
[12:42] <mc44> "pushing IPv4 nonsense into the mainstream"
[12:42] <mc44> right...
[12:52] <mc44> wasn't eternaljoy banned?
[12:56] <nalioth> is he back?
[12:56] <mc44> in offtopic
[12:56] <mc44> and forums
[12:56] <Pici> the bantracker would agree that he was banned
[12:58] <PriceChild> seems like the one on nick was removed some time when ubotu wasn't around...
[12:59] <Pici> o.O that was back in 2006? I can almost swear I've seen him around since then
[01:00] <ubotu> qball called the ops in #ubuntuforums
[01:28] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: eternaljoy has been being banned for the last year or so
[03:14] <mneptok> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1764124/
[03:23] <jrib> he's looking at me!
[03:24] <mneptok> dunh dunh DUNNNNNH!
[05:17] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, wols said: !ops lukealpha is trolling
[06:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, wols said: !ops Penos is a spammer
[06:54] <nalioth> why isn't ubotu putting all the ops nicks into #ubuntu any more?
[06:55] <crdlb> because wols left out the |
[06:55] <nalioth> ah
[07:45] <ubotu> In #kubuntu-devel, nixternal said: !no nixternal is <reply>The Kubuntu Mastah!
[07:46] <nixternal> ;p
[07:48] <Pumpernickel> \o/
[08:38] <ubotu> stefg called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:48] <ubotu> oskude called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:49] <jrib> taken care of
[10:50] <nalioth> only in #ubuntu
[10:55] <jrib> true
[12:05] <crdlb> urgh!!!
[12:08] <gnomefreak> crdlb: urgh?
[12:08] <crdlb> envy :(
[12:08] <gnomefreak> cant be anyworse than "what is my motivation to do what you asked me to do"
[12:08] <gnomefreak> envy is garbage do it the easy way
[12:09] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: you mean with synaptic or restricted-manager?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> either way i was thinking apt-get install but yeah those work too
[12:10] <gnomefreak> wish mvo would add if you see envy or automatix kill upgrade now and dont repeat untill gone
[12:10] <gnomefreak> to update-manager/apt dist-upgrade
[12:11] <ajmitch> can't
[12:11] <gnomefreak> why not?
[12:11] <ajmitch> damage is already done
[12:11] <jrib> envy can't be that hard to undo can it?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: but it should run during scan
[12:11] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgrades
[12:11] <crdlb> jrib, it's impossible to undo
[12:11] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: yes, that part can be done
[12:11] <PriceChild> "Try to detect third party tools that may cause problems and refuse upgrade in this case (e.g. look into dpkg database and see if it was ever installed). This requires additional testing and research for common third party tools."
[12:11] <jrib> crdlb: what does it do?  I thought it just install the nvidia binary from nvidia.com
[12:12] <crdlb> yes and that screws with the l-r-m system in weird ways
[12:13] <gnomefreak> drivers from nvidia needs to build thier own restricted modules and with envy you lose the option to uninstall like you get with drivers package
[12:14] <gnomefreak> the install script has uninstall option
[12:14] <ajmitch> jrib: there are interesting things with nvidia packages like dpkg diversions, etc
[12:18] <jrib> I see, still seems like it could be reversed though
[12:18] <jrib> with automatix, there's so much it can do, that it's more difficult
[12:18] <ajmitch> then you force whoever hacks update-manager to put in workarounds & reversals for all sorts of 3rd party hacks
[12:19] <jrib> nah, just say "I've detected that you have used a 3rd party script which is likely to break upgrades and cannot continue.  Please undo what has been done"
[12:19] <nalioth> yes, automatix does irrecoverable things to Ubuntu
[12:20] <ajmitch> jrib: that's exactly what has been proposed
[12:20] <jrib> ajmitch: good idea then :)
[12:21] <ajmitch> does envy come as a package, or just as a script?
[12:22] <nalioth> what is envy?
[12:22] <crdlb> !envy
[12:22] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:22] <crdlb> ajmitch, it's a .deb
[12:22] <Burgundavia> installs ATI and Nvidia drivers
[12:22] <nalioth> not another one  <sigh>
[12:22] <jrib> ajmitch: packaged it seems
[12:22] <Burgundavia> and breaks computers
[12:22] <Burgundavia> nalioth: he is on place
[12:22] <Burgundavia> planet, rather
[12:23] <ajmitch> jrib: ok, that makes it far easier to detect if it's ever been on a system
[12:23] <mc44> people tend to try to install from the nvidia site, then try to use envy, then come to #ubuntu and say their nvidia doesn't work
[12:24] <crdlb> in that order :/
[12:24] <gnomefreak> ummmm its a .deb? if you can install that deb why cant you install nvidia-glx.deb
[12:24] <jrib> it's strange that "official" documentation is usually the last place people look


[10:23] <kgunn> robert_ancell: you there?
[10:24] <kgunn> robert_ancell: is this that test that racarr says is a racy test ? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/150875268/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.mir_0.0.10%2B13.10.20130920.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:24] <kgunn> guess we'll be addressing that today....
[10:35] <robert_ancell> kgunn, yep
[10:36] <robert_ancell> kgunn, don't know if that's specifically one that racarr is tracking down
[12:59] <kgunn> hikiko: it was this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1196744
[13:03] <hikiko> kgunn, thanks I'll get a look
[13:43] <robert_ancell> RAOF, bug 958424
[13:47] <robert_ancell> RAOF, bug 1227961
[13:58] <robert_ancell> RAOF, bug 1222923
[14:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-system-compositor/app-lifecycle/+merge/186135 can i haz review plz?
[16:30] <davmor2> tvoss, kgunn: on my xmir intel box I just hit http://paste.ubuntu.com/6133424 testing the commercial app anatridle a 3d space invader type game.
[16:31] <davmor2> is it going to be an xmir issue or the app?
[16:54] <kgunn> davmor2: huh, strange the app wouldn't run w/o a res change to 800x600...and then, i know there are diff res's supported via xmir (e.g. run phoronix test suite you can choose 800x600)
[16:58] <davmor2> kgunn: well there another 914 apps to test yet :) I said I would forward any gfx based issues to the mir team :)
[17:17] <RAOF> davmor2: That's kind of both the app's fault and Mir's fault. The app should handle not having an 800x600 mode, and Mir should synthesise a set of common default modes, even if the hardware can't directly support them.
[18:02] <davmor2> RAOF: good to know this is the first I've I'm sure it won't be the last there are lots of quirky apps along the way :)
[18:03] <davmor2> s/I've/I've hit,
[18:30] <RAOF> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1228323
[19:10] <robert_ancell> alan_g, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/mir/fix-config-file-loading/+merge/186865?
[19:13] <robert_ancell> RAOF, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-system-compositor/video-blacklist/+merge/186771


[01:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS13e2322cb21a: Added nm-tray.conf to xdg-Lubuntu so nm-connection-editor is default. Bump…] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS13e2322cb21a
[01:15] <wxl> ^ yay! no more nmtui-edit!
[01:15] <kc2bez> \o/
 [07:17]<vorlon> doko: it looks like we're down to 4 packages (libreoffice, kopanocore, assimp, link-grammar) so I'm going to shut off autosync for the moment just in case
 Just a FYI. Don't think lubuntu depends on much syncing, but more knowledge is good in case.
[08:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7f349dee6220: Fix minor typos] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7f349dee6220
[08:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL47c894a57c13: Update wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL47c894a57c13
[08:30] <lynorian> Why is hunspell  not installed by default in 20.04 we kind of need it for featherpad spellcheck
[11:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T129: Lubuntu 18.04.4] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T129#3142
[11:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T152: Find a method to get hunspell-en-us installed.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T152
[11:26] <kc2bez> @lynorian ^
 @The_LoudSpeaker is it still time to put projects in the Google thing?
 @kc2bez since you are playing with raspberry https://youtu.be/rwClG1f7lVQ
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker is it still time to put projects in the Google thing?], Nope. Last date was 5th.
 Buuu, we need to solve the nm-tray ask for vpn passwd issue and I believe we don't have the knowledge for that
 I thought upstream would consider that task. Among others. But they stopped responding a week before deadline :(
 Now the organisation application period is over.
 @HMollerCl [@kc2bez since you are playing with raspberry https://youtu.be/rwClG1f7lVQ], Nice. I really want to get a pi 4. I just haven't done it yet. Performance should be much better than the pi 3. … I had some issues with SDDM on the pi recently, I need to get back to it at some point when time permits.
 I'm the most happiest woman ever. I just got another successful withdraw of $16,000. Forex and Crypto trading are lucrative and it pays a lot of cash. I’m encouraging all Individuals to start trading with Mr @marvin_joe for he is an amazing account manager who has been helping me and all my friends through forex and Crypto trading. H
 So do we have standup today? Or directly on Wednesday?
 Technically today.
 Wednesday works for me
[18:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART0222d0d279a8: Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme and change background and hover color for in…] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART0222d0d279a8
[21:01] <kc2bez> !standup
[21:02] <kc2bez> o/
 \o
[21:04] <wxl> o/
[21:05] <lynorian> o/
[21:08] <kc2bez> okie dokie. I can start us off.
[21:08] <kc2bez> Lubuntu Stand 2/13/2020
[21:08] <kc2bez> Not sure when we last met. Some of this might be redundant.
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Added shellprocess to Calamares for implementing i386 foreign architecture https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Uploaded to focal https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS2cc0bed73bcfa90c168fdbefa351d0c4d1a38ba2
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Accepted https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Enable i386 architecture: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] added libreoffice-qt5 package: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Uploaded to focal https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED5cc2117977af86d5cf3011bf802a42552a9e438c
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Accepted https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Add libreoffice-qt5: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Uploaded to focal https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAc4e1139c7fab947432a5c59951743aa2308b5d36
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Accepted https://phab.lubuntu.me/D72
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Added SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 env var in session.conf so libreoffice use qt5 VCL: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D72
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Commented on https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Drafted the release announcement for 18.04.4 https://notes.lubuntu.me/lI-tcgorQ_qJwiXqvGCBbg#
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Monitored release of 18.04.4 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T129
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Accepted https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[21:08] <kc2bez> * Created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T152
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme and change background and hover color for in menu search: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[21:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Lubuntu 18.04.4: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T129
[21:08] <kc2bez> We've discussed changing our standup time. Would it help if I sent out a doodle poll for a new time?
[21:08] <kc2bez> Also, should I create a calendar event in Phab, was that helpful?
[21:09] <kc2bez> I'll give y'all a bit to digest XD
[21:10] <kc2bez> I also have a paste from Raman who couldn't make it.
[21:11] <kc2bez> Here it goes:
[21:11] <kc2bez> 1. Merge policykit
[21:11] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPOLICYKITPACKAGING93d9e7e109b45639652f295222bc68bb903de4d7
[21:11] <kc2bez> 2. Merge runner
[21:11] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGaeb2dc7e11a3f79ebd53b44e0d3b0c663d38b418
[21:11] <kc2bez> 3. Merge Policykit
[21:11] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPOWERMANAGEMENTPACKAGINGc8f4fe8700994b3c92d380c4320a4a04087d69f1
[21:11] <kc2bez> 4. Merge panel (Needs approval)
[21:11] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D81
[21:11] <kc2bez> 5. Merge lxqt-session
[21:11] <kc2bez> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-session/0.14.1-2ubuntu1
[21:11] <lynorian> Are there any big differences in these new packages that need documenting
[21:12] <kc2bez> The packages that Raman uploaded, I am not sure.
[21:12] <wxl> um actually there is one from me/hans
[21:12] <wxl> edit connections now goes to nm-connection-editor
[21:13] <kc2bez> :( I killed the bot
 I gave lynorian a couple of weeks ago a short descriptio of how to use nm-connection editor (and vpn)
 but maybe new screenshots are needed.
[21:14] <lynorian> ok yes maybe new screenshots
[21:14] <lynorian> wait that was only a few weeks ago
 yes
[21:15] <wxl> ok so good job kc2bez
[21:15] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl.
[21:15] <wxl> good job too to @The_LoudSpeaker who's been working hard on cracking the merges
[21:15] <kc2bez> That is all I have.
[21:15] <wxl> so i guess i should go
[21:16] <kc2bez> sure
[21:16] <wxl> o dpm
[21:16] <wxl> argh
[21:16] <wxl> i don't have a paste so i'm going to run through stuff
[21:16] <wxl> 18.04.4 stuff yeah yeah
[21:16] <wxl> waiting on lc to get us resources so we can get weblate going again
[21:17] <wxl> added my 2¢ on the libreoffice-qt5 thing. we really need to test that more. my philosophy was push it out and see what happens.
[21:17] <wxl> tested and helped with the i386 arch
[21:17] <kc2bez> thank you
[21:17] <wxl> (reiterating a lot of dan's stuff)
[21:17] <lynorian> yes saving files is improtant to test
[21:18] <wxl> plan on pushing this through since Einar isn't able but if someone wants to get on that, feel free. it seems pretty obvious https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128
[21:18] <wxl> i actually found the missing link with nm-tray thank heavens https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/6789113180745306916/
[21:19] <wxl> i did a lot of organizing of tasks since i'm trying to gte us prepped and ready to actually work on 19.10 stuff
[21:20] <wxl> cala 3.2.18 will fix this (hint hint) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1826628
[21:20] <kc2bez> :D
[21:20] <wxl> we might want to patch this if we don't get a pcmanfm-qt soon https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/pull/950
[21:20] <wxl> those are on new upstream features
[21:21] <wxl> added a task to deal with automounts preventing Erase Disk https://phab.lubuntu.me/T149
[21:21] <lynorian> that would be quite nice
 and there is the multimonitor wallpaper, agaida told me he wanted to do a new release of pcmanfm-qt but he didn't gave date
[21:21] <wxl> added a task to fix a SUPER CRITICAL bug that doesn't seem to be getting fixed upstream even with a new kpmcore so we need to work on figuring that out https://phab.lubuntu.me/T150
[21:22] <wxl> added a task to suggest a method to improve bug reporting https://phab.lubuntu.me/T151
[21:22] <wxl> @HMollerCl what else is new -_-
[21:22] <lynorian> oof super critical
 @wxl [<wxl> we might want to patch this if we don't get a pcmanfm-qt soon https://gith …], wait, this already we have is from early 2019
[21:23] <wxl> sadly no
[21:23] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/commit/40e9db1201c2cbe8351057fde2c947f3d33de75a
[21:23] <wxl> and yes it is from early 2019 but that apparently doesn't mean anything :(
[21:24] <wxl> outside of sponsoring the nm-tray fix i also sponsored Hans' theme change https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART0222d0d279a81a03bcc681ee462c0c0c6d915ecd
 yes, sorry my bad, I thought it was since I tested git versions for teh wallpaper
[21:25] <wxl> in other news i dealt with some housekeeping (~lubuntu-dev members now all have expiration dates, members that submitted renewals were approved)
[21:25] <wxl> some support stuff
[21:25] <wxl> this one was super weird https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/questions-about-upgrade/709/21
[21:26] <wxl> i think that's it XD
[21:26] <lynorian> Rework kcalc to add other buttons I missed
[21:26] <lynorian> Reorder things to match ui in Kcalc and Qlipper
[21:26] <lynorian> Various typo fixes
[21:26] <lynorian> image quality slider
[21:26] <lynorian> Control A to add all files in vlc
[21:26] <lynorian> no applicaton is recording
[21:26] <lynorian> job options for printing
[21:26] <kc2bez> Thanks for everything wxl
[21:26] <wxl> thank YOU
[21:27] <wxl> no application is recording?
[21:27] <lynorian> a message in pavucontrol-qt on the recording tab
[21:27] <lynorian> which is the default
[21:27] <wxl> ah ok
[21:27] <wxl> good work as always my friend :)
[21:29] <wxl> OH btw if anyone can reproduce this that would be great https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/1862756
[21:31] <kc2bez> I think guiverc did wxl but I will try to get to it as well.
[21:31] <guiverc> wxl, I 1862756 on i386 box (recent 18.04.4 qa-install where lubuntu-desktop was added)
[21:31] <wxl> but only on that one right?
[21:32] <guiverc> yep, 1 reproduce and 3-4 fail to reproduce
[21:32] <wxl> could you throw in the bug your card specs and kernel module used please?
[21:34] <kc2bez> lynorian:  we sort of derailed you. Was there anything else?
[21:36] <lynorian> nope
[21:36] <kc2bez> Thanks for everything lyn!
[21:36] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl I think you are next.
 good
 Heyyyyyyy
 ABI break1!!
 Nice work on 18.04.4
 @HMollerCl [ABI break1!!], XD
 Thanks for handling that Dan
[21:38] <kc2bez> Absolutely
[21:38] <kc2bez> Happy to help
[21:38] <kc2bez> I left you a comment on the task.
 Okay, cool
 I plan on looking at that a little later and catching up with things
 If y'all have stuff for me to do, shoot it my way :)
 D70: Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme, fixed some issues bumped standards and deb/compat in art repository
[21:39] <kc2bez> Thanks
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 XD
[21:39] <wxl> jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez wot
 Oh hey he's alive
[21:39] <wxl> go through Raman's merges
 Later but k
 @wxl [<wxl> go through Raman's merges], Yeah, I have not had time
[21:40] <wxl> that would be a BIG help
 Are they in Phab diffs or already committed?
 hey @tsimonq2 what about redshift-qt?
[21:40] <kc2bez> some of both
 @HMollerCl [hey @tsimonq2 what about redshift-qt?], It's been on my mind
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> some of both], Wanna create a CodiMD doc to track merges and cleanups?
[21:41] <kc2bez> I think I can do that
 @tsimonq2 [It's been on my mind], shouls I bump standards and change debhelper/compat before?
 so, should I continue?
[21:43] <kc2bez> Go for it
 D70: Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme, fixed some issues bumped standards and deb/compat in art repository
 D82: Added nm-tray.conf to xdg-Lubuntu so nm-connection-editor is default. Bump standards, apply new debhelper and compat norms for default-settin
 in that, lynorian: now nm-connection-editor will be executed instead of nmtui, before was only for "advanced network configuraion
 On T137, please test P65 breeze-config.py
 I think is a very simple way to improve theming (color-schemes for breeze)
 EOF
[21:45] <kc2bez> Thanks for everything!
 @HMollerCl [shouls I bump standards and change debhelper/compat before?], Please do
[21:46] <kc2bez> Anyone have anything else?
[21:47] <wxl> thank you thank you thank you thank you
[21:47] <kc2bez> ^^^^^^
[21:47] <wxl> btw re: T137 love the idea just haven't tested but it's on my TODO list
[21:48] <kc2bez> Same here.
[21:48] <wxl> we need to ramp it up if we're going to get a small fraction of this stuff in for 19.10
[21:48] <kc2bez> Err 20.04
[21:48] <wxl> i'm going to try (ugh) to get up earlier in the morning so perhaps i can eke out some more time
[21:48] <wxl> well you know what i mean
 for the ones that will test, It only works with Breeze
[21:48] <kc2bez> :)
[21:48] <wxl> i'm on the right channel, you can be thankful you get that
[21:48] <kc2bez> XD
 @N0um3n0 tested it
 he likes it better that qt5ct
 @HMollerCl [he likes it better that qt5ct], Correct ;)
[21:50] <kc2bez> Interesting reading for the day: https://jonathancarter.org/2020/02/13/initial-experiments-with-the-loongson-pi-2k/
[23:08] <kc2bez> The Bot should be back.
[23:08] <kc2bez> Let's check.
[23:08] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T129
[23:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Lubuntu 18.04.4: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T129
[23:08] <kc2bez> \o/


[08:10] <tracker4> dd
[14:35] <__maben__> is there any sort of computer janitor in xubuntu
[14:57] <Andrio> You?
[15:55] <thelinuxbox> hi, does anyone know if ubuntu/xubuntu 18.04 will have a fix for screen tearing?
[15:55] <thelinuxbox> i'm currently on 16.04 and the screen tearing can get really bad at times
[15:55] <knome> there are many reasons for screen tearing and many existing workarounds to fix it in many situtations
[15:56] <knome> generally, no, not all screen tearing can be fixed for everyone with the same "fixes"
[15:56] <knome> otoh you might be able to fix the tearing for yourself even with 16.04
[15:57] <thelinuxbox> what would you recommend please?
[15:57] <knome> what graphics card do you have?
[15:58] <thelinuxbox> afaik it's intel
[15:59] <thelinuxbox> lshw says "intel corporation"
[15:59] <knome> try googling "intel ubuntu screen tearing"
[15:59] <knome> (i'm on my phone atm so no quick googling, but there are loads of tutorials around)
[15:59] <thelinuxbox> ok thanks!, ill give it a try
[17:14] <thelinuxbox> hi, i followed this guide https://askubuntu.com/a/469653 to try to fix my screen tearing issue, it fixed the tearing but caused a new issue, different open windows kept going black, so did the taskbar, menus were flashing terribly :(
[17:14] <thelinuxbox> is their any other solution please?
[17:16] <thelinuxbox> i was forced to delete the conf file and restart just to have a normal enviroment again, so i'm back with the screen tearing issue but no issue with the black open windows or the taskbar going wild
[17:20] <thelinuxbox> screen tearing is making me want to throw up :(
[17:21] <sudolinux1> hi
[17:22] <sudolinux1> i am switching to xubuntu. How would you guys rate it as a pentium D user?
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> thelinuxbox:  there is uxa for the accel method instead of sna - tried that ?
[17:24] <thelinuxbox> well_laid_lawn, i didn't know of that, i'll give it a try, thanks!
[17:24] <well_laid_lawn> see  man intel
[17:25] <thelinuxbox> thanks, brb quick reboot to try this out
[17:26] <sudolinux1> hello?
[17:27] <thelinuxbox> well_laid_lawn, so far so good, thank you very much!
[17:27] <thelinuxbox> really appreciate it!
[17:27] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[17:27] <sudolinux1> iguess i need to login
[17:29] <sudolinux> i am switching to xubuntu. How would you guys rate it as a pentium D user?
[17:32] <well_laid_lawn> sudolinux:  all distros will work ok on that hardware
[17:32] <well_laid_lawn> if that's the question
[17:32] <sudolinux> ok cool
[20:15] <fruitvalley> Hey, active channel?
[20:16] <krytarik> Depends on the messages put here..
[21:28] <pjotter> Hi everyone. The listening report of gufw seems to be stuck. It won't show current connections anymore and instead keeps displaying a static list of connections. Does anyone know how I can fix this?


[00:32] <meg> hi
[00:32] <Guest70045> hi
[00:33] <Guest70045> Ive tried a few ways of trying to prevent bluetooth from turning on during boot but havent been able to figure it out
[00:36] <Guest70045> Anyone know how? IM running MATE 16.04
[00:37] <Guest70045> tried modifying the /etc/default/tlp file and setting DEVICES_TO_DISABLE_ON_STARTUP="bluetooth"
[00:37] <Guest70045> but that doesnt work
[01:13] <nomic> i saw auto setting in
[01:13] <nomic> ooh gone
[02:39] <dasti> hi ! just move from linux mint 17.3 to ubuntu mate 16.04.1 !!!
[02:41] <teward> congrats, and welcome back to a more pure Ubuntu environment, dasti.
[02:42] <teward> (I don't mean Ubuntu Unity, I just mean an official Ubuntu variant :P)
[02:43] <dasti> teward: I still have to adjust to *not* using cinnamon but I can fee some obvious improvements :)
[02:45] <dasti> no more bightness blocked at 100% when I unplug the 2 additionnal screen from the laptop ! yes !
[05:16] <Guest95499> o7
[05:16] <ouroumov> ô7
[05:16] <Erasmus_> Sleep for onnce
[05:16] <Erasmus_> *slept
[10:26] <beezleybuzz> heyllo?\
[10:26] <beezleybuzz> i need some help! just getting mate running on an acer laptop, no touchpad...
[10:27] <beezleybuzz> i've got a bluetooth mouse to use but would like the touchpad to work... any ideas? it's synaptics
[10:32] <beezleybuzz> anybody alive out there?
[13:08]  * DarkPsydeLord cry out loud GOOD MORNING!
[14:04] <roger__> hola
[14:06] <DarkPsydeLord> hola!
[14:29] <nomic> z.
[17:12] <qwerty123456> hello
[17:13] <nomic> hello
[17:48] <pavlushka> hello
[18:08] <DarkPsydeLord> hello
[18:08] <alkisg> hello
[18:18] <jasonehines_> Hi All. Does anyone know of way to add something to the global right click menu?
[19:21] <mv_> hello can somebody help me with a disk problem?
[19:23] <bekks> Depends on your actual question.
[19:24] <mv_> well i have just installed ubuntu mate, i didnt understand everything in installation but i went ahead with it. now I have a disk that when I open it, it cant mount or something, i have an image of the long error message
[19:27] <bekks> mv_: So share it with us please.
[19:27] <mv_> how?
[19:27] <nomic> you instaling it on a pc
[19:27] <nomic> pc it installs on a pc
[19:28] <bekks> By uploading it somewhere, on a picture hosting service.
[19:28] <mv_> ok wait a few minutes while i do that
[19:31] <mv_> http://imgur.com/a/WX0mY
[19:31] <mv_> a bit of dutch in there too
[19:32] <bekks> Can you pastebin "dmesg" please, and share that URL, too?
[19:32] <mv_> how?? iḿ a noob sorry
[19:35] <pavlushka> mv_: type dmesg in terminal and copy paste the out put to paste.ubuntu.com and post the link here.
[19:35] <mv_> ok tnx
[19:35] <pavlushka> *output
[19:36] <pavlos> mv_, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:36] <pavlos> mv_, dmesg | pastebinit
[19:36] <pavlos> mv_, then paste the url given
[19:38] <pavlushka> mv_: ^ better
[19:39] <mv_> um i should do this instead of dmesg? um sudo commands i find kind of scary is there a way with the user interface?
[19:40] <odroid> does system boutique not work with arm 64bit?
[19:40] <mv_> i have software boutique
[19:41] <odroid> mine keeps giving me error saying not compatible with this system
[19:41] <odroid> could not find any features or software bc not compatible
[19:41] <mv_> o sorry dont know how to fix that
[19:42] <mv_> someone else does i think
[19:42] <bekks> I am still waiting for the dmesg pastebin. :)
[19:42] <mv_> ok i should do that or the sudo or something??
[19:42] <bekks> dmesg.
[19:42] <bekks> For the third time :)
[19:43] <mv_> ok wait sorry :) i dont wanna mess up the system
[19:43] <odroid> id love to know how to fix it, hate to have to install android bc ARM isnt compatible yet
[19:43] <bekks> "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" installs the program "pastebinit" which is then used for creating the pastebin using "dmesg | pastebinit".
[19:43] <pavlushka> mv_: you wont, just do that, :p
[19:44] <alkisg> dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:44] <alkisg> No need for pastebinit
[19:44] <mv_> so much text with dmesg, im kinda privacy paranoid
[19:45] <pavlushka> mv_: dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer, copied from dmesg manual.
[19:46] <mv_> where is the manual??
[19:46] <bekks> "man dmesg"
[19:46] <mv_> sorry this takes me so long guys :)
[19:49] <mv_> ok i go copy the things and upload sorry a few more minutes :)
[19:53] <bekks> 0811 214436 < alkisg> dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:57] <mv_> how to paste images on that ubuntu pastebin site?
[19:57] <alkisg> mv_: run this command:
[19:57] <alkisg> dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:58] <alkisg> It will reply with one URL, one web address
[19:58] <mv_> how to do it with user interface?
[19:58] <alkisg> That will be the paste that people here asked you. Write it here.
[19:58] <alkisg> So that you see what will be sent?
[19:59] <alkisg> dmesg > /tmp/out
[19:59] <alkisg> pluma /tmp/out
[19:59] <alkisg> This will open the output in the editor
[19:59] <alkisg> Without sending it anywhere
[19:59] <mv_> i have made 10 screenshots .png
[19:59] <mv_> i will go use imgur i know how that works
[19:59] <pavlos> mv_, for images, I use imgur.com
[19:59] <mv_> commands scare me
[20:02] <mv_> i dont know if its in the correct order but here are the images: http://imgur.com/a/WX0mY
[20:02] <mv_> the png's themselves filenames are 1.png, 2.png etc.
[20:07] <mate|93317> Hi All just a quick question,iam running windows10 and have decided to try ubuntu and downloaded ubuntu mate 16.04/lts and it said I cud run it without changing anything but Iam unable to get it to run.Wud someone be able to tell me what Iam doing wrong.Thanks.
[20:10] <pavlos> mate|93317, did you burn the iso into a usb stick or DVD? you can boot off that device and try ubuntu
[20:11] <mate|93317> dd that but cud not get it to run either.I keep getting Nero to come up to open the program and that is a burner
[20:13] <mv_> hey guys are you finding the problem i sent in the images?
[20:13] <pavlos> mate|93317, Nero should have an option to burn an image to a DVD ... use that
[20:15] <mate|93317> OK I'll give it a go and thank you very much.I wud like to get rid of windows as I finally have ran out of payience with it.
[20:15] <ouroumov> yo
[20:40] <mv_> guys are you still searching???
[20:44] <bekks> No. Since you havent provided a pastebin of dmesg yet.
[20:45] <mv_> yes i had
[20:45] <pavlos> mv_, all I see is that it cannot mount /dev/usb1 as ntfs
[20:46] <mv_> the imgur link has the terminal screenshots
[20:48] <mv_> the images of the terminal are on imgur is that ok??
[20:51] <mv_> http://imgur.com/a/WX0mY
[20:53] <bekks> you just rebooted, didnt you?
[20:53] <bekks> If not, your images are far from complete.
[20:58] <mv_> ummm i think iḿ still on my first boot
[20:59] <mv_> after install
[20:59] <mv_> so what should i do now?
[21:00] <bekks> sudo ap install pastebinit; dmesg | pastebinit
[21:00] <bekks> sudo apt install pastebinit; dmesg | pastebinit
[21:00] <mv_> ok
[21:00] <bekks> The second one is correct.
[21:00] <mv_> just copy paste in terminal?
[21:01] <bekks> Yes.
[21:01] <mv_> ok wait
[21:06] <mv_> i got a link in the terminal
[21:06] <mv_> copy paste here?
[21:07] <mv_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23047525/
[21:07] <mv_> here ya go
[21:10] <ouroumov> bekks, what's with the pastebin logs?
[21:11] <bekks> Nothing to be seen in there in relation to the error image before.
[21:12] <mv_> o, what could i do now?
[21:12] <bekks> The disk in question is an external disk?
[21:14] <mv_> no
[21:15] <bekks> So pastebin "sudo blkid -g; sudo blkid"
[21:15] <mv_> ok
[21:19] <mv_> umm not typing pastebin?
[21:19] <bekks> sudo blkid -g; sudo blkid | pastebinit
[21:22] <mv_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23047573/
[21:22] <bekks> mv_: And what do you expect to be found on sda1?
[21:24] <mv_> that was the drive we were talking about? about 924 GB.. umm i have photos and videos and games on there
[21:24] <mv_> if sda1 is the drive we were talking about, dont know the name
[21:25] <bekks> I am wondering why there is no linux partition to be seen.
[21:25] <bekks> What are you actually trying to achieve?
[21:26] <mv_> i want to get to my files again, they are important to me.. and yes i am running linux right now
[21:26] <mv_> i can prove it with a screenshot
[21:26] <bekks> You are running linux from a live cd, are you?
[21:27] <mv_> ummm i think not?? ummm i do have linux installed... i did hear the dik drive making operations i think
[21:27] <mv_> disk*
[21:27] <bekks> So pastebin "sudo fdisk -l" please.
[21:28] <bekks> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[21:28] <mv_> ok
[21:30] <mv_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23047588/
[21:30] <bekks> The drive in question is sdb, not sda.
[21:30] <mv_> ok
[21:31] <mv_> that a problem?
[21:31] <bekks> Yes, because you tried to mount sda1.
[21:31] <mv_> ummmm so how do i open the drive??
[21:32] <bekks> What did you do to "open" sda1?
[21:32] <mv_> sorry i have little experience in this and i am not english
[21:32] <mv_> went to computer and double clicked on the drive
[21:32] <bekks> So do the same for sdb1
[21:33] <mv_> which one is that?
[21:34] <bekks> The disk with the UUID 30B24522B244EDC2
[21:34] <mv_> in the file manager can i input /sdb1     ?
[21:34] <bekks> No.
[21:35] <bekks> Try mounting it manually: sudo mkdir /tmp/sdb1; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/sdb1; ls -lha /tmp/sdb1
[21:39] <mv_> should i do the 2 sudo's one at a time?
[21:41] <mv_> i just put in sudo mkdir /tmp/sdb1 and it goes to the next line, but it did do something????
[21:42] <mv_> just did the second thing and got a response
[21:46] <mv_> hey bekks look at private chat
[21:47] <bekks> Keep it in this channel please.
[21:48] <bekks> So whatever you are trying to mount there is either invalid or corrupt.
[21:48] <bekks> The latter one is more likely.
[21:48] <mv_> shit
[21:48] <bekks> If you have valuable data on it, I'd take that disk to some professionall, for data recovery.
[21:49] <mv_> yeah its very important
[21:49] <mv_> so we are done for now?
[21:49] <bekks> yeah, unfortunately.
[21:49] <mv_> thanks so much for your help
[21:50] <bekks> You may call OnTrack, and ask them how much it would cost to recover data.
[21:50] <mv_> i live in the netherlands
[21:50] <mv_> maybe its here too but it doesnt sound like it
[21:50] <bekks> They have offices around the world.
[21:50] <mv_> ok cool
[21:51] <bekks> https://www.ontrackdatarecovery.nl/
[21:51] <mv_> ha wow tnx
[21:51] <mv_> will look at that
[21:52] <mv_> thanks again all the people that helped
[21:52] <mv_> i will be going now, time for some netflix :)
[23:12] <Gallomimia> i need to know why the super key minimizes any fullscreen app i'm using (like a game) and how to disable it
[23:15] <ubuntu-mate> Ola
[23:15] <ubuntu-mate> turma como estao ai
[23:16] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, you speak English?
[23:16] <bekks> !es | ubuntu-mate
[23:16] <javashin> ola
[23:17] <javashin> eso no es epanol
[23:17] <javashin> something else
[23:17] <javashin> ok
[23:17] <javashin> hello
[23:27] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[23:27] <ubuntu-mate> i am from brazil
[23:28] <bekks> !br | ubuntu-mate
[23:29] <ubuntu-mate> hehe viva o linux
[23:29] <gordonjcp> ubuntu-mate: hello
[23:30] <TheMariuz> viva english
[23:30] <TheMariuz> :)
[23:31] <ubuntu-mate> this is very good
[23:31] <TheMariuz> this is better than very good
[23:32] <javashin> brazil
[23:32] <javashin> hola
[23:32] <TheMariuz> however linux needs a new soundsystem
[23:32] <TheMariuz> pulseaudio doesnt cut it
[23:32] <TheMariuz> too fragile and buggy
[23:32] <javashin> pulseaudio is ok
[23:32] <TheMariuz> got my mic working for 1 day
[23:33] <javashin> pulseaudio works on freebsd now
[23:33] <TheMariuz> didnt play with settings.. then it died on me
[23:33] <TheMariuz> never an issue in windows
[23:35] <TheMariuz> however there arent options as far as i know.. well theres jack... but seriously.. heh
[23:36] <TheMariuz> a simple sound system with plug IN and plug OUT (like windows) that just work
[23:37] <TheMariuz> focusing on stability, low latency and low cpu/ram footprint
[23:38] <TheMariuz> that could run "on the iron" without being dependent on alsamixer etc
[23:39] <TheMariuz> if theres one thing that sucks BIGTIME in linux i just said it
[23:44] <gordonjcp> Windows doesn't really do sound, though
[23:44] <gordonjcp> there's no sane way to do multi-channel low-latency sound in Windows
[23:44] <gordonjcp> it's fine for beeps and pings for video games
[23:44] <gordonjcp> it's passable for playing back music
[23:51] <Gallomimia> how do i stop the super key from minimizing my full screen apps?
[23:52] <Gallomimia> oh its a menu
[23:53] <Gallomimia> aha. i fixed it!