[02:27] <J_Goldberg> anyone in the Southern half of Oregon by chance?
[02:28] <J_Goldberg> I'll be back in Israel in a week, tho
[02:29] <J_Goldberg> i mean indiana


[00:50] <Cheri703> Unit193: do you like dogs?
[00:50] <Unit193> Cheri703: Depends, not so fond of little rat dogs, but not all are bad.
[00:51] <Cheri703> ok :D I am looking for someone that won't steal my things that might be willing to camp out at my house for the duration of my work trip (like 3-5 days probably) and take my dogs out as needed
[00:52] <Cheri703> wanna?
[00:53]  * Cheri703 has pretty fast internet, can give access to netflix, and can stock the fridge
[00:54] <Unit193> Would depend on when, but not sure how good I am at, hrm, commanding? dogs.
[00:54]  * Cheri703 is going to pm you
[06:24] <Cheri703> Unit193, drkokandy: I am available pretty much any evening this coming week for an Ubuntu Hour. If we have it at Panera again, drkokandy, does your offer of a ride still stand?
[06:34] <drkokandy> Any night this week would work for me too Cheri703 - and I would be happy to give you a ride (it'll hopefully help prevent me from being late like last time)
[06:34] <Cheri703> hehe, we can schedule it a bit later if that's better
[06:36] <Cheri703> ok Unit193, it's up to you :) what night this week would work best?
[06:38] <drkokandy> I just waited too long last time to leave I think. :-) Let me know what you two decide - I'm gonna pass out for tonight, but I'll check back in the IRC tomorrow. Night!
[06:39] <Cheri703> sounds good. have a good night!
[06:40] <Unit193> It's late, I'm already sleeping.
[06:40] <Cheri703> somehow I don't believe that Unit193
[06:41] <Unit193> Hrm, well in that case, many days don't look great this week, with car issues and all.
[06:42] <Cheri703> hmm..ok, we could shoot for the next week perhaps, I'm occupied on the evening of 12/18, but beyond that my schedule is pretty open
[16:59] <gilbert> Cheri703: we should try to set up an irc meeting for this month
[17:00] <Cheri703> k
[17:00] <gilbert> you want to send one of those scheduling things again
[17:00] <gilbert> maybe for like wed or thurs next week?
[17:00] <Cheri703> sure
[17:04] <Cheri703> 6, 7, 8pm options?
[17:09] <gilbert> sounds good
[17:14] <Cheri703> Link for poll: http://doodle.com/6qa4zwf2wfysbywx
[17:14] <Cheri703> posted to forum and sent to the list.
[17:14] <gilbert> k, thans Cheri703!
[18:22] <drkokandy> Cheri703 & Unit193 - I'm out of town starting the 21st, but the couple days between the 18th & 21st would work for me
[18:23] <drkokandy> the 20th my office is closed so I would be free at any time
[22:51]  * skellat wanders off again


[18:14] <_stress_> hi, I'd need some help to find some cpufrequtils files in the kernel tree...could someone help me?
[18:15] <_stress_> I'd like to know where the pot files are but I can't find them...any help?
[18:22] <_stress_> ok.....what do I need to translate kernel packages for my native language?
[19:02] <_stress_> someone knows how to create .po s files?
[19:11] <tjaalton> I added a file to unload snd_hda_intel (SUSPEND_MODULES="snd_hda_intel" in /etc/pm/config.d/snd), but it doesn't seem to work. shouldn't it be possible to unload modules when the user processes are frozen?
[21:31] <asabil> hi all
[21:31] <asabil> I have some troubles with a usb thumb drive being detected as a cd rom reader
[22:27] <JanC> asabil: some USB thumb drives say they are (also) a CD-ROM drive; quite stupidly  ;)
[22:37] <asabil> JanC: that's not the case for this one
[22:38] <asabil> it says that it is *only* a cd-rom drive
[22:38] <asabil> nothing gets created in /dev/sdb*
[22:42] <JanC> well, I think you should kick the manufacturer where it hurts, and maybe the udev scripts maintainers can fix this if you report a bug...
[22:46] <asabil> okidoki, I will report a bug
[22:46] <asabil> againt which package ?


[08:11] <uvizachan> nigger
[08:12] <uvizachan> oh w8 i said it
[08:12] <uvizachan> sorry
[08:13] <uvizachan> Ehhh, anyways I was wondering if there's any impediment between this OS and me trying to use a VM to relay my Internet connections.
[08:17] <gnrp> uvizachan: Sneaky...
[08:17] <gnrp> uvizachan: Uhm, well, I don't know why you would do that, but yes, should work?
[08:19] <gnrp> you mean a VM hosted on the same machine? It doesn't make too much sense and you spend resources, but it is possible
[08:21] <uvizachan> Cool.
[15:12] <johanhelmuth> Hmm, I'm having some issues with my boot time. I've checked my fstab, and everything is in order there, pointing to the correct UUIDs etc. types, mount points, options everything looks good. I've checked "systemd-analyze critical-chain" and checked the "systemd-analyze time", basically the userspace takes 1,6 seconds to get going, wich is nice and fast. But the kernel startup is insanely slow - 33
[15:12] <johanhelmuth> seconds..
[15:13] <johanhelmuth> Been googling for a bit, and most solutions I can find tend to point towards slow startups because of graphical.target, which is part of the userspace boot time, which isn't the case for me.
[15:14] <johanhelmuth> Could this potentially be a grub issue?
[15:16] <diogenes_> johanhelmuth, adm graphics?
[15:17] <diogenes_> s/adm/amd
[15:17] <johanhelmuth> nvidia graphics
[15:18] <johanhelmuth> I tried adding nomodeset to grub, but nothing really changed.
[15:19] <johanhelmuth> I also checked the boot log, and the only thing failing is the AppArmor initialization.
[15:19] <diogenes_> is it a fresh install? upgrade? what kernel? has it always been this slow or it's a new situation?
[15:19] <johanhelmuth> It's a fresh install, xubuntu minimal install
[15:20] <johanhelmuth> kernel: 4.15.0-46-generic
[15:20] <diogenes_> and have you upgraded the kernel?
[15:20] <johanhelmuth> I have not
[15:20] <diogenes_> what is in: ls /boot
[15:21] <johanhelmuth> config-4.15.0-46-generic      memtest86+.bin            System.map-4.15.0-46-generic
[15:21] <johanhelmuth> grub                          memtest86+.elf            vmlinuz-4.15.0-46-generic
[15:21] <johanhelmuth> initrd.img-4.15.0-46-generic  memtest86+_multiboot.bin
[15:21] <johanhelmuth> That's in /boot
[15:21] <diogenes_> i see
[15:21] <diogenes_> patebin the: systemd-analyze blame
[15:22] <johanhelmuth> https://pastebin.com/UyXK17ez
[15:22] <johanhelmuth> That mostly displays the userspace boot, right?
[15:23] <johanhelmuth> systemd-analyze time shows:
[15:23] <johanhelmuth> Startup finished in 32.981s (kernel) + 1.669s (userspace) = 34.650s
[15:23] <johanhelmuth> graphical.target reached after 1.632s in userspace
[15:24] <diogenes_> yeah, nothing extraordinary in there
[15:24] <johanhelmuth> I did notice one thing that might be odd, not sure though.
[15:25] <johanhelmuth> checking "blkid", my boot partition doesn't have a UUID
[15:25] <johanhelmuth> Which I'm certain it always have had before
[15:25] <johanhelmuth> "/dev/sda1: PARTLABEL="boot" PARTUUID="8e502ceb-20c6-4e85-a82d-e4aa89841940"
[15:27] <johanhelmuth> Uhm, wait a second, fstab shouldn't contain boot, right?
[15:30] <diogenes_> johanhelmuth, i need to leave now, hopefully someone will help you fother on.
[15:31] <Spass> johanhelmuth, you could try upgrading the kernel to 4.18 with this command "sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04"
[15:31] <Spass> but that's a pretty big step, should be safe tho
[15:32] <johanhelmuth> will definitely try that out if all else fail, for sure
[15:32] <johanhelmuth> I just have this feeling I messed my boot partition up somehow
[15:46] <johanhelmuth> Spass: Does your fstab include a line for the boot partition?
[15:46] <Spass> let me see
[15:49] <Spass> well, I have my ext4 there, mounted to "/" described with UUID with these options "errors=remount-ro 0 1"
[15:49] <Spass> I didn't make any changes to it, so it's a default entry
[15:49] <johanhelmuth> alright, that's pretty much what I was hoping to hear
[15:49] <johanhelmuth> alright, thanks
[15:50] <johanhelmuth> so my fstab is definitely not the issue then, hmm
[15:52] <johanhelmuth> I am almost certain I messed my boot partition up however, somehow. Because when I check the "blkid", everything is showing a UUID, TYPE etc. Except for my boot partition, it just shows the PARTLABEL and PARTUUID.
[15:54] <johanhelmuth> Gonna stop my spammy speculations in chat here, and look for a fix. Thanks for the help again, Spass.
[15:56] <Spass> no problem, stay for a while, maybe someone will have some hints for you
[16:00] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, I'm always online, I have my irc client running on my homeserver 24/7
[16:35] <johanhelmuth> Thank god, it's solved now
[16:35] <johanhelmuth> "Startup finished in 1.980s (kernel) + 1.667s (userspace) = 3.648s"
[16:35] <johanhelmuth> that shaved off 28 seconds
[16:36] <johanhelmuth> I had to remove the UUID from "RESUME=" in "/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume", and replace it with "none".
[16:37] <johanhelmuth> Apparently boot timed out waiting to resume a specific device, every time I boot.
[16:38] <Spass> thanks for the info, was that "/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume" your custom config?
[16:38] <johanhelmuth> Honestly, I didn't even know it existed. Must be something that generated itself when I mounted my media hard drive
[16:39] <johanhelmuth> Or wait.. now I get it, oh wow.
[16:40] <johanhelmuth> So during installation of Xubuntu, for some reason my ssd was named sdb, and my bootable installation usb was sda. But after installation, somehow, the system changed my ssd to sda.
[16:41] <johanhelmuth> Which screwed my fstab up, so I had to fix the fstab. So I'm guessing what the resume was pointing to, was the old swap.
[17:19] <xubuntu70w> hello everyone
[17:20] <xubuntu70w> I'm using xubuntu 18.04
[17:20] <GridCube> good?
[17:21] <xubuntu70w> i  don't understand why my laptop give me a blank/black screen when it wakes up from suspend
[17:21] <xubuntu70w> is it driver related or something ?
[17:22] <GridCube> it's because the screensaver is still enabled
[17:22] <GridCube> most probably
[17:22] <GridCube> it could be other things
[17:22] <xubuntu70w> still enabled but why ?
[17:22] <GridCube> disable your screen power saving settings and try again
[17:22] <xubuntu70w> ok thank you i'll try that
[17:23] <GridCube> i don't know https://askubuntu.com/questions/1094529/xubuntu-screen-does-not-wake-up-after-being-locked
[17:23] <GridCube> it's a very common problem
[17:24] <GridCube> sorry meant to paste this xubuntu70w https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1804235
[17:25] <Vimar> Hi
[17:40] <xubuntu70w> Thank you GridCube i don't have a blak screenn anymore
[17:42] <GridCube> xubuntu70w: :)
[17:43] <GridCube> xubuntu70w: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736
[23:40] <johanhelmuth> Maybe a silly question, but do I need to remove nvidia drivers before installing new ones? Or will it automatically do everything for me? Suppose I have Nvidia 390 drivers, and I want to install the Nvidia 418 drivers. Will a "apt install nvidia-driver-418" suffice? Or do I have to remove stuff beforehand?
[23:40] <johanhelmuth> Googled it, and I see mixed responses.


[03:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: pyliblo (focal-proposed/primary) [0.10.0-4]
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[08:44] <notadeveloper> hi
[08:44] <notadeveloper> what is the new theme's name?
[08:45] <notadeveloper> Found it.... It is named Yaru.
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[17:24] <RikMills> mate and kubuntu seeds are not updating from bzr again
[17:24] <RikMills> apw or vorlon? ^
[17:25] <RikMills> last time it was "lost bzr lock"
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[01:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:48] <Square> what are your favorite apps (other than pure work productivity) that enhances your *Desktop* user experience? I love Disk Usage Analyzer and Copyq.
[01:49] <Square> Things you think people might miss out on.
[01:50] <sarnold> mosh is great, it's kind of like an ssh that can tolerate packetloss and IP address changes
[01:50] <sarnold> ripgrep is incredible, it's so much better than ag or grep -r
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> Square: these are my favs to install on fresh setups: sudo apt install vlc stacer preload haveged qbittorrent gnome-tweaks
[01:52] <Square> gnome-tweaks i always install too.
[01:53] <Square> stacer looks neat too
[01:53] <sem> i always install byobu
[01:57] <Square> I guess I was mostly after graphical applications. I don't do that much shell work
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> depends a bit of your daily use Square
[02:00] <Square> definitely does.
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> what will your computer be doing mostly, and what are your interests Square
[02:14] <Square> lotuspsychje, i work as a programmer since 20+ years, so there's a lot of that. Otherwise i mainly browse the web and play games. But I dig tools to help me stay organized and access info easily.
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> cool sounds great
[02:15] <sarnold> Square: I've been meaning to try out logseq for a few months but just can't find the time to do it; check it out, maybe check out obsidian, a non-free thing that seems pretty popular too
[02:16] <lotuspsychje> Square: another handy one im using is workspace indicator inside the package gnome-shell-extensions
[02:25] <Square> sarnold, that looks super interesting. Really spot on things i get hyped on. I notice it looks a bit like workflowy that i dig a lot.
[02:26] <sarnold> \o/
[05:39] <JanC> Square: using nemo instead of nautilus, “Workspace Matrix” shell extension, “Clipboard Indicator” shell extension, using Xorg instead of Wayland (as the latter insists on putting windows in the wrong place more often than not)
[05:41] <Square> JanC, ok. I will check those out
[05:47] <JanC> I'm using Nemo mostly because it didn’t remove features like Nautilus did, and added some useful ones of their own...
[05:50] <JanC> an example of the latter is e.g. the possibility to batch (large) copy/move/delete operations
[05:51] <JanC> batch = queue


[19:31] <melodie> hello
[19:32] <melodie> I would want to deactivate at-spi2* in Ubuntu as I don't use it and it eats some resource. is there  something similar that can be done in Ubuntu, that would be anywhere in the doc ? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=189975
[19:33] <melodie> how would someone do that in an Ubuntu box?


[12:02] <gerr2> morning all
[12:03] <gerr2> we've changed the front page for a day - www.ubuntu.com
[12:05] <elkbuntu> excellent. i wish they'd hurry and expand it to oceania so the 'nobody cares about australia' people can shush :
[12:05] <elkbuntu> gerr2, did you get my PM yesterday?
[12:12] <juliux> hey gerr2
[12:12] <gerr2> elkbuntu: great story about a start up using ubuntu and getting rid of red hat
[12:13] <juliux> gerr2, www.dell.de/ubuntu is not working
[12:13] <gerr2> elkbuntu: did you see it?
[12:13] <elkbuntu> gerr2, not sure?
[12:13] <gerr2> juliux: read the page: available from tomorrow
[12:13] <juliux> http://www.ubuntu.com/dell there stands 8th july
[12:13] <juliux> www.dell.de/ubuntu (available July 8th)
[12:14] <juliux> perhaps a bug;)
[12:14] <gerr2> elkbuntu: <http://digg.com/linux_unix/Telco_dumps_Red_Hat_for_Ubuntu>
[12:15] <elkbuntu> gerr2, that looks familiar
[12:18] <elkbuntu> yeah, i had heard that
[12:18] <gerr2> juliux: :-/ i can't seem to edit that page either for some reason
[12:20] <gerr2> this is a little frustrasting
[12:21] <gerr2> elkbuntu: i got your
[12:21] <gerr2> p
[12:21] <gerr2> elkbuntu: i'll try that again. i got your PM yesterday
[12:21] <elkbuntu> cool, just wanted to be sure :)
[12:29] <gerr2> juliux: i take it julius your position has not changed re: dusseldorf
[12:29] <juliux> gerr2, it has changed a little bit;)
[12:30] <juliux> gerr2, i can go to the tv show
[12:31] <juliux> but somebody should sponsor my travel costs
[12:33] <gerr2> ah!! ok. yes we will pay the travel costs
[12:33] <gerr2> i'll mail you of line
[12:33] <juliux> ok
[12:34] <gerr2> i'll PM you I mean . not sure how i would send a message offline :-[
[12:34] <juliux> hehe
[12:40] <gerr2> juliux: did you get my PM?
[12:41] <juliux> not yet
[12:47] <gerr2> juliux: still nothing? this is a bit odd
[12:47] <juliux> gerr2, i have greylisting enabled
[12:48] <juliux> gerr2, are you sure you send it? i cann't see any mail in the log file from you
[12:49] <gerr2> i did not send an email
[12:49] <gerr2> i tried on irc
[12:49] <gerr2> i don't have your email address
[12:50] <juliux> you have to register your nick on freenode
[12:50] <juliux> without that i cann't read your pm on irc
[12:51] <juliux> or you join #gerry ;)
[12:58] <gerr2> juliux: can you just send me an email with your travel requirements julius? gerry dot carr at canonical dot com
[12:58] <juliux> yes
[12:59] <juliux> so you only need the cities?
[12:59] <juliux> where i start?
[02:00] <juliux> gerr2, take a look at  http://www.opensourcefactory.com/cms/index.php?page=ubuntu_linux_7-04 there are no more ubuntu colors
[02:09] <jenda> juliux: you can also turn on umode +6 to be able to accept PMs from unreggeds
[02:09] <juliux> jenda, ahh ok
[02:09] <juliux> thxs
[02:09] <jenda> gerr2: but you should register ;)
[02:09] <jenda> and hello :)
[02:12] <juliux> jenda, did you know http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1332_PC-Sticker---powered-by-Ubuntu--verzerrt.html ;9
[02:13] <jenda> juliux: your work? :)
[02:13] <juliux> no
[02:13] <jenda> they're still 3 times what mine cost ;)
[02:13] <juliux> that is one of the professional shops in germany
[02:14] <jenda> cool
[02:14] <juliux> he sells them for 25cent
[02:14] <jenda> I'm 100% sure they use it with commercial intent.
[02:16] <juliux> i know
[02:17] <jenda> gerr2: how does canonical deal with that? Did they ask and receive specific permission to do so?
[02:19] <jenda> Not to mention they are using the name "Ubuntu Linux", which is totally counterproductive to our branding policies :(
[02:42] <gerr2> jenda: i thought i had registered
[02:42] <gerr2> although i seem to be gerr2 these days
[02:43] <jenda> then try /nick <whateverthereggednickis>
[02:44] <jenda> (gerr2 isn't registered)
[02:55] <gerr2> jenda: i don't think we have approved this - we would not approve Ubuntu Linux
[02:55] <jenda> indeed
[02:55] <jenda> gerr2: and if they were to sell it as 'Ubuntu', would you have approved it even if it was for-profit?
[03:06] <gerr2> jenda: probably but i don't know anything about these guys
[03:06] <jenda> ok
[03:07] <jenda> gerr2: so, theoretically it would be possible to ask for such permission?
[03:07] <gerr2> jenda: if they are a legitimate business and particularly, as they appear to be, promoting Linux then there is no conflict with them making a profit
[03:07] <jenda> gerr2: I meant, for example, if I or another community member did so.
[03:08] <elkbuntu> providing they're promoting the correct thing, as in Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux
[03:08] <gerr2> jenda: permission to use the trademark? Mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and tell them what you are doing
[03:08] <gerr2> jenda: and show them what you are doing
[03:09] <jenda> gerr2: oh, permission to use the trademark isn't the problem - but permission to use it and make a profit in the process is a different thing, innit?
[03:09] <jenda> (I mean, I've had them check every single thing I ever shipped)
[03:09] <gerr2> jenda: it's a confusing area
[03:09] <jenda> The thing is, I'm now pulling out of the 'business', because I can't pay myself for the time I spend doing it. I had to get a job instead.
[03:10] <gerr2> jenda: example 1 - comm member sells t shirts above costs and uses money made to attend events: fine
[03:10] <jenda> ok
[03:10] <jenda> that's pretty much what I intended.
[03:10] <elkbuntu> Even when I write about Ubuntu these days, I take specific care not to write Linux directly after Ubuntu. So rather than "the Ubuntu Linux distribution" i make sure i write "the distribution of Linux called Ubuntu"
[03:11] <jenda> I mean, I have about $500 here which I made using the stuff, and it'll be used for the Czech Loco, mostly. But I might continue doing the stuff if I could use the money to attend a UDS eventually.
[03:11] <gerr2> jenda: someone we don't know uses trademarks to sell t-shirts for personal gain and contributes nothing to ubuntu or linux community? not good
[03:11] <jenda> mhm
[03:12] <elkbuntu> gerr2, that opinion varies from person to person. some would not care so long as the brand is getting out. i believe riched is one of that stance
[03:12] <jenda> gerr2: so, if I wanted to continue in the field, selling this stuff, in order to be able to afford a UDS later on, what would be the process? Ask trademarks for approval?
[03:13] <jenda> elkbuntu: the trademark policy is quite clear on that, however :(
[03:15] <gerr2> elkbuntu: for commercial use you need our permission
[03:16] <gerr2> elkbuntu: but that's not to say we won't give it. if it is legitimate we likely will
[03:16] <jenda> gerr2: so, what's the process of asking for the permission?
[03:16] <elkbuntu> i didnt read 'without asking permission' into the case, sorry
[03:17] <gerr2> in principle we want people to make money out of ubuntu in order to sustain the project as long as they do it the right way
[03:17] <gerr2> jenda: tell me what you want to do jenda?
[03:17] <elkbuntu> one could very easily argue that brand placement is a valid contribution too
[03:17] <jenda> gerr2: what I've been doing for ages :)
[03:17] <jenda> gerr2: I've been selling ubuntu stickers and posters to the community for bulk prices, with very little profit
[03:18] <jenda> with the proviso that I don't keep the profit.
[03:18] <jenda> gerr2: but I can no longer afford to do so.
[03:18] <jenda> gerr2: however, if I could keep part of the profit, I would very likely continue.
[03:19] <jenda> gerr2: I've already sent out some 14000 case badges, 800 posters and some 200 other stickers.
[03:20] <jenda> gerr2: here's a complete budget and other info on the 'project': https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/Get/PriceListJenda?action=show&redirect=PriceListJenda#head-d52bd66652f2bbd8244cfe459cd68bed6460edcf
[03:21] <jenda> (note: most of the actual profits are generated from tips. the prices them selves are low-margin, or even negative-margin)
[03:25] <jenda> gerr2: and another point is that before the new trademark policy was in place, I frequently encouraged people to create Ubuntu swag to get the brand out there, even based the DIY marketing project around that, citing that they could make money doing so - as that would serve as a great incentive for locoteams in poorer countries, and a way for them to make money even for the locos, which is extremely difficult in poorer countries.
[03:25] <jenda> (so knowing how exactly it is possible to do the same now would also be good)
[03:41] <gerr2> jenda: i am aware of your activities
[03:42] <gerr2> jenda: and i don't want them to stop
[03:42] <gerr2> jenda: this sounds like a fairly big topic and i want to make the ground rules as clear to all as possible
[03:43] <gerr2> jenda: how about a MEETING!!!
[03:43] <jenda> hehe
[03:43] <jenda> sounds good :)
[03:43] <jenda> My activities actually have stopped, pretty much, because of the job, but that should be just temporary.
[03:43] <gerr2> gerr2: i'm serious; it feels to me that there has been a bit of a decline in the DIY marketing
[03:43] <gerr2> gerr2: and we need to revive it.
[03:44] <gerr2> gerr2: also i need someone to tell me how to register a nickname
[03:44] <gerr2> that can be item 1
[03:44] <jenda> hehe
[03:44] <jenda> you were talking to yourself there ;)
[03:44] <jenda> I can help you register the nickname.
[03:45] <jenda> As for DIY - I became very busy over the summer. I will pay it a lot of attention as soon as I finish my work, which _should_ be this weekend.
[03:46] <elkbuntu> we get jenda back? YAY!
[03:46] <jenda> hehe
[03:46] <gerr2> jenda: that was not a criticism - it's just that we need to spread it beyond your activities
[03:46] <jenda> gerr2: oh, definitely
[03:46] <jenda> gerr2: I've always wanted that to happen
[03:47] <jenda> gerr2: in fact, I've tried persuading several people who showed interest to take over whichever part of swag production they were most interested in, but most people chickened out in the end :)
[03:47] <jenda> the only one who hasn't, so far, is juliux, and he started on his own.
[03:48] <gerr2> well maybe we need to figure out a way for people to do it really easily and maybe even make some money ;)
[03:48] <jenda> mhm
[03:49] <jenda> I don't know how to make it easier for them, apart from offering the necessary digital material, and not obstructing their work :)
[03:50] <jenda> Of course, DIY was also intended to list people who offered swag, so as to give them a basic advertising.
[03:58] <gerr2> i don't know either - maybe we need to identify some people and encourage them .
[03:59] <gerr2> anyway meeting?
[03:59] <gerr2> how do we guarantee a good attendance?
[04:00] <elkbuntu> gerr2, figuring out who you're targetting, for a start
[04:02] <jenda> gerr2: and then sending it out on teh mailing list, and prodding specific people individually :)
[04:28] <gerr2> juliux: you back online?
[04:29] <juliux> gerr2, yes
[04:29] <juliux> i am back from dentist
[04:29] <gerr2> juliux: news on your tickets.. it's an early start fella
[04:30] <juliux> np
[04:30] <gerr2> i'll fire them through - they'll be paid for you will just need to pick them up in hamburg
[04:31] <gerr2> elkbuntu: i don't know who to target
[04:32] <juliux> gerr2, cool
[04:32] <juliux> gerr2, where should i pick them up? and where?
[04:33] <elkbuntu> gerr2, you could try the LoCo contacts mailing list, but be aware that some teams will take it as an invitation to cry poor and ask canonical to fund ventures
[04:41] <juliux> !logs
[04:41] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:46] <juliux> jenda, can you explain "the only one who hasn't, so far, is juliux, and he started on his own." to me
[04:46] <juliux> i don't understand what you try to say;)
[04:48] <jenda> juliux: you're the only one who hasn't given up, and made the shirts :)
[04:48] <juliux> ahhh
[04:48] <jenda> juliux: but I didn't talk you into it - you did that on your own.
[04:49] <juliux> btw i think you still get money from us for the stickers
[04:58] <jenda> juliux: hmm?
[04:59] <juliux> jenda, as you was in dresden you gave me stickers, did you get the money for them?
[04:59] <jenda> hmm
[04:59] <jenda> I didn't!
[04:59] <jenda> :D
[04:59] <jenda> jeez
[04:59] <jenda> I thought they were subtracted from the shirts, but that didn't happen in the end, did it?
[05:12] <juliux> i have no idea
[05:13] <juliux> lol
[05:14] <beuno> juliux: also, your tshirts rock!  :D
[05:15] <juliux> beuno, thxs
[05:15] <juliux> with the next shirts there will be a lot of things better in the organisation
[05:15] <juliux> i want to use a ticketsystem so everybody can see where the shirts are
[05:15] <juliux> or i will setup a webshop for that
[05:17] <juliux> jenda, perhaps we can setup an ubuntu community shop, but we will write there that this is not a normal shop and everthing is not a payment it is a donation to the community;)
[05:17] <jenda> hehe
[05:17] <jenda> juliux, I've been working on that for the past 6 months ;)
[05:17] <juliux> oscommerce is not so difficult i think
[05:18] <beuno> I can do web stuff  :D
[05:18] <juliux> cool
[05:18] <jenda> juliux: so... it's 75 :)
[05:19] <beuno> I've been bugging jenda to commit to the sticker selling, so I would setup a shop for him
[05:19] <beuno> if it's a more broader thing, even better!
[05:19] <jenda> that's what DIY is supposed to be
[05:19] <beuno> jenda: :X
[05:19] <jenda> but I'm not capable of getting a team or person that would set it up :)
[05:20] <juliux> beuno, did you tested oscommerce?
[05:20] <juliux> beuno, i am searching for something where i can track all the stuff
[05:21] <beuno> juliux: yes, it's icky!
[05:21] <beuno> I'll look for something better, if possible
[05:21] <juliux> ok
[05:21] <juliux> i also tried rt
[05:21] <beuno> and jenda, clear it with Dan first, if I can take over, I'll get it done
[05:22] <jenda> juliux: what do you mean by 'track'?
[05:22] <jenda> juliux: no matter what you do, you'll always be dependant on your shipping company in that.
[05:22] <juliux> jenda, i want to track the e-mails between me and the people who order the shirts;)
[05:22] <jenda> ah
[05:22] <beuno> unless he ships personally, which would have an added value!  :p
[05:22] <jenda> I use gmail for that :D
[05:22] <juliux> like a bugtracker
[05:22] <jenda> ok
[05:22] <juliux> baahhh gmail
[05:22] <beuno> juliux: launchpad?  :D
[05:23] <juliux> beuno, it shouldn't be open
[05:23] <juliux> beuno, i think i will setup an ticket system for that
[05:23] <jenda> juliux: I would definitely hate to have to go to an extra website to see the orders etc.
[05:23] <jenda> but meh, I can't do anything till I finish my work :) I'm off.
[05:23] <juliux> jenda, cu
[06:31] <juliux> gerr2, should i book the train?
[06:31] <juliux> gerr2, and is 4:42 right?


[08:20] <omglinuxbeetz> yayyyy
[08:21] <omglinuxbeetz> my mini portable open source dream has finally come true
[08:23] <omglinuxbeetz> open source daw i mean hehe
[12:13] <raven> hi
[12:13] <raven> i am using gladish/jack and ardour. how to rename and map the midi and audio channels to useful names?
[12:44] <holstein> raven: ?
[12:44] <holstein> raven: in JACK?
[12:44] <holstein> i wouldnt... but thats going to be complex
[12:45] <holstein> i would probably try asking that in the jack channel, or on the jack mailing list
[13:47] <MaynardWaters> raven: would love to see a posting somewhere once you figure that out
[13:47] <MaynardWaters> http://www.akaipro.com/apc40
[13:48] <MaynardWaters> any opinions/ experience from anyone using this device with ubuntustudio?
[13:49] <holstein> it should just work as a control surface for linux
[13:49] <holstein> i would go with that beringer one that was quite cheap
[13:49] <raven> ?
[13:49] <holstein> you'd have to ask in #opensourcemusicians
[13:49] <holstein> raven: when you figure out how to rename the entries, MaynardWaters is interested in how
[13:51] <holstein> MaynardWaters: not a bad price for what all that does
[13:51] <holstein> personally, i would try it, and save the reciepts
[13:51] <holstein> it should just work, but nothing anyone would say would convince me
[13:52] <MaynardWaters> holstein: can you provide link for the beringer one you mentioned
[13:52] <holstein> MaynardWaters: nope
[13:52] <holstein> im trying to get someone to remind me what it is
[13:53] <holstein> i bet it was http://www.behringer.com/de/Products/BCF2000.aspx though
[13:53] <MaynardWaters> holstein: what I would really like is something that combines that combines the knobs and buttons of that akai with the presonus inputs that are well support in ubuntustudio
[18:30] <grantsmith> does ubuntu studio use the PREEMPT-patched realtime kernel ?
[18:50] <ailo> grantsmith: It's not patched. It's just preempt
[18:50] <ailo> grantsmith: I think you'll find it's about as good as a realtime kernel, if not better at times
[18:50] <grantsmith> so it's just a stock kernel ?
[18:50] <ailo> It's a reconfigured -generic
[18:50] <grantsmith> ok cool, thanks
[18:51] <ailo> Much of the realtime patch is nowadays part of the vanilla source
[18:51] <ailo> So, a more aggressive config is all you need to get good performance
[18:51] <grantsmith> i think i'm going to end up recompiling and stripping out everything i dont need
[18:52] <grantsmith> trying to get my latency under 10ms
[18:53] <ailo> grantsmith: You should be able to get that right now
[18:53] <ailo> Although, I do think older kernels were a bit faster
[18:54] <grantsmith> yes i suspect thats a true statement.. i used kxstudio with 2.6 a while back and got 4.7 ms
[18:54] <grantsmith> with the same hardware
[18:55] <ailo> 2.6.39 is the first kernel to include the possibility of using the rtirq script, using the "threadirqs" boot parameter
[18:55] <ailo> I'd say 2.6.37-39 were all good kernel
[18:55] <ailo> kernels*
[18:56] <ailo> grantsmith: I added a howto how to build one here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency
[18:56] <ailo> But I guess you wouldn't need that
[18:57] <grantsmith> thats actually helpful, thanks. Even though ive been building kernels since the 90s, anything sound related always baffles me
[20:28] <MaynardWaters> ailo: thanks this is a great link