[02:04] <meltiestoo> hello, i just installed lubuntu as an "upgrade" (ubuntu 11.10->lubuntu 11.10), and when it boots up it looks like it tries to start x, fails, and then kind of sits there at vterm(?) 7.  when i go to an alternate vterm, i can login and run startx just fine, and things go about their merry way.  any idea what's going on here?  i looked in /var/log/messages and in the x logs too, and didn't see
[02:04] <meltiestoo> anything that really stuck out.  i'd be happy if lubuntu would just not even bother trying to start x and hang out at vterm 1 until i login/startx manually, but i couldn't figure out how to do this
[02:05] <wxl> !purelxde | meltiestoo
[02:05] <wxl> try that :D
[02:09] <phillw> wxl: I will marry him, He has done so much, quietly, for lubuntu.
[02:10] <wxl> phillw: i'm speechless
[03:14] <silverarrow> hi
[03:14] <silverarrow> what would input/output error mean?
[03:14] <silverarrow> I sometimes get it when I am about to boot down
[03:19] <phillw> wxl: starting via startx sucks, they should really use the command to start lxdm, else they get a really poor system.
[03:21] <silverarrow> phillw, how?
[03:21] <phillw> silverarrow: sudo service lxdm start
[03:22] <silverarrow> oh I see
[03:22] <silverarrow> I have that one on a postit on the wall here
[03:22] <silverarrow> what gives the error "input /output error"?
[03:23] <phillw> silverarrow: then remember it and use it :)
[03:23] <silverarrow> I will
[03:23] <silverarrow> I sometimes get it when booting down, and nothing seems to respond
[03:24] <silverarrow> I hope it's sorted itself out after reboot I did
[03:24] <phillw> silverarrow: pass. The kernel does as it sees fit. It has to work on many different systems. If it causing a failure to start / shut down then raise it as a bug.
[03:24] <silverarrow> you think?
[03:24] <silverarrow> hmm
[03:25] <silverarrow> it does start, more like trouble that acts up when system is running
[03:25] <silverarrow> yyy
[03:28] <phillw> silverarrow: as keeps being told, please raise a bug report with the system details. "It does not work" does not let the devs have any information as to why you have a problem. There are areas to teach you how to raise a bug report that has the details that they need. Unless they have them, they will not consider looking at them.
[03:28] <phillw> !bugs
[03:28] <silverarrow> I was a bit worried it might be hardware failure, but I haven't had any trouble with puppy linux, but then again it is a frugal install
[03:29] <silverarrow> thanks
[03:29] <phillw> silverarrow:  ^^^
[03:29] <silverarrow> is that a smilie of sorts?
[03:31] <phillw> silverarrow: for, you? of course it is. you always keep the people who help on their toes :) One day, you will make a great helper - as you will have gone through all the pain of learning & be able to help new-commers.
[03:32] <silverarrow> I hope I'm not too much of a bother lol
[03:33] <silverarrow> I have made some investment into lubuntu especially
[03:33] <silverarrow> making it work on my laptops
[03:35] <phillw> silverarrow: my only advice to you would be to read the support area for lubuntu, that way you will get a good idea about things & also how we deal with them.
[03:36] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation It has so much info, that when you read through it, you will feel more confident in dealing with issues. Just be aware, it is quite a training course!
[03:37] <silverarrow> I shall keep reading up on info there : )
[04:09] <silverarrow> is there a way I can check if/when swap gets used?
[04:10] <silverarrow> I run htop but I cannot see anything?
[04:11] <silverarrow> I made swap 2GB, a bit large perhaps
[04:11] <silverarrow> but lots of space on hd
[04:17] <w30> silverarrow, cat /proc/meminfo
[04:18] <w30> silverarrow, but that's not a history
[04:19] <silverarrow> hmm
[04:20] <silverarrow> w30: it came out as priority -1 and 0 used
[04:20] <silverarrow> but not much running now
[04:20] <w30> silverarrow, I think hibernate uses a lot of swap
[04:21] <silverarrow> yes, and it seems to be a must
[04:21] <silverarrow> I have 2GB  swap and my system will not hibernate
[04:22] <silverarrow> it acts up
[04:24] <silverarrow> actually I haven't tried hibernation this time
[04:24] <silverarrow> it might work
[04:25] <w30> silverarrow, I have a 2 gig swap partition also
[04:26] <w30> silverarrow, but I have no desire to hibernate
[04:26] <silverarrow> me neither really, so I never looked much into it
[04:27] <silverarrow> however, I did wonder if system might benefit from swap even if ram is fairly good, like 1GB
[04:28] <wxl> no one here has any experience with debian live do they? (the project that actually creates live images)
[04:29] <wxl> btw phillw thx for that ubuntu-bug tip. i thought all there was was apport
[04:31] <silverarrow> hi  mark76
[04:36] <mark76> Hey silverarrow
[04:38] <mark76> I'm not staying long. Just waiting for the nasal spray I took to work
[04:38] <wxl> that's what i usually do when i take my medicine; check out the situation at #lubuntu
[04:38] <mark76> Lol
[04:39] <mark76> I have it set to log in automatically
[04:42] <w30> silverarrow, screenlets has a system monitor for ram,swap.uptime.etc.
[04:43] <silverarrow> screenlets?
[04:44] <wxl> sort of like compiz no?
[04:44] <silverarrow> hmm,
[04:44] <silverarrow> ...googeling
[04:44] <wxl> desktop based tho
[04:44] <wxl> i'd rather have something in the panel or an app you can run when you want to monitor
[04:46] <wxl> might look at htop
[04:46] <wxl> oops
[04:46] <wxl> gkrellm
[04:47] <wxl> gnome system monitor
[04:47] <mark76> GKrellM's good
[04:47] <mark76> You can set it to autohide
[04:47] <wxl> xfce-task-manager
[04:49] <wxl> dang i didn't know about jamendo
[04:49] <silverarrow> look at this http://imagebin.org/180238
[04:50] <mark76> I'm going back to bed
[04:50] <mark76> Night silverarrow and wxl
[04:50] <wxl> night mark76
[04:50] <silverarrow> good night mark
[04:50] <wxl> hope your nose feels better :D
[04:51] <silverarrow> morning here
[04:51] <mark76> Thanks
[05:00] <wxl> holy crow debian live can build images of debian derivatives e.g. ubuntu
[05:00] <wxl> wonder if i can make a lubuntu.....
[07:38] <l33_> hi
[08:50] <l33_> i cant find the rt patches anymore....they are gone
[08:50] <l33_> ...any one here knows exactly what happenend to ingo molnars rt patches
[09:35] <ikr111> I'm having trouble getting flash to run with chromium on a 64 bit lubuntu machine. I have downloaded flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound and copied  libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so and no luck so far. Any ideas?
[09:36] <l33_> why?
[09:36] <l33_> just install adobe flash 64 bit from synaptic ot ubuntu software install center
[09:36] <l33_> worked here manytimes
[09:37] <ikr111> ok. I'll try with the sofware center
[09:37] <ikr111> thanks
[09:37] <l33_> ;)
[09:39] <ikr111> l33_:  is it worth installing the "Lubuntu" software center instead of the "Ubuntu" one?
[09:41] <l33_> i dont know that -  but i would now answer to you with no
[09:41] <l33_> just use synaptic
[09:42] <ikr111> ok
[09:46] <bioterror> just use apt-get ;)
[09:46] <bioterror> and apt-cache
[09:49] <l33_> thats best ;)
[09:51] <ikr111> I would like to follow the apt path but I don't know why it didn't work
[09:51] <l33_> wot and why do you think it isnt working?
[09:52] <ikr111> well, it did install the adobe flash plugin, but it wouldn't work with chromium
[09:53] <l33_> maybe doing first a reboot and then type about:plugins into chormium adress field
[09:53] <ikr111> I don't know if it has anything to do, but I had the ubuntu partners repo disabled
[09:53] <l33_> mmm
[09:53] <l33_> do you have tried before to install some flash codecs like gnash or so?
[09:54] <ikr111> nope, I haven't tried with gnash
[09:55] <l33_> try to type about:plugins in the adress field
[09:55] <l33_> try to type about:plugins in the adress field
[09:55] <ikr111> ok.
[09:57] <l33_> look if there is an entry for flash or shockwave
[10:01] <l33_> and?
[10:08] <l33_> c u
[10:12] <z3r1n> hi
[10:16] <ikr11> sorry, I got disconected... the about plugins in chrome doesn't show anything about flash it's like it didn't pick it up...
[10:20] <z3r1n> anyone awaken?
[10:27] <xsaidx> hello guys
[10:27] <xsaidx> idk why my gedit became so ugly i guess i removed some gtk lib o sumthin idk wht to install anyone can help
[10:32] <qwertymn> hi, tried to use mplayer in Lubuntu,  but videos are black. How can i fix this?
[10:32] <xsaidx> qwertymn: advice use vlc
[10:33] <qwertymn> xsaidx, thanks for the tip, but i like mplayer very much. Couls it be od missing codecs or anything?
[10:34] <xsaidx> qwertymn: yesh i guess you shed get em from the univers repo's
[10:35] <qwertymn> k, thx
[10:58] <xsaidx1> goin to install  11.10
[10:58] <xsaidx1> peace out
[11:52] <HeinzBoettjer> pcmanfm offen quit without an error during work. How or where can I found error informations?
[12:39] <Soxit> hi, can anyone help me with install? im getting a kernel error, im just trying again and ill write the error down. its asks me to pick a kernel version, think it said linux-generic couldnt be isntalled
[12:50] <Soxit> can anyone help with that?
[13:13] <dev_> hi all
[13:26] <freedom07> hi
[13:26] <bencc> is lubuntu officialy supproted by canonical?
[13:27] <bencc> is it compatible with ubuntu except for the desktop packages?
[13:31] <bazhang> certainly compatible
[13:32] <bazhang> not certain what you mean by the desktop packages
[13:35] <stlsaint> bencc: the "Official" move has not been made but shuttleworth has already declared that we will become part of ubuntu family
[13:35] <stlsaint> bencc: and what do you mean compatible with ubuntu?
[13:40] <bencc> stlsaint: what does it means to be part of the ubuntu family?
[13:41] <bencc> stlsaint: by compatible I mean that apache or mysql version on ubuntu 11.10 will be the same as on lubuntu 11.10
[13:45] <stlsaint> bencc: well that does not mean ubuntu/lubuntu are compatible...that is based off packages but to answer your question: Yes, those same packages from ubuntu will work in (L)ubuntu
[13:46] <bencc> cool
[14:19] <xsaidx> hello guys
[14:21] <mark76> Hello
[14:21] <mark76> You
[14:21] <mark76> :)
[14:23] <xsaidx> mark76: hello , my gedit became so laid i guess some gtklib have conflict here
[14:23] <xsaidx> mark76: http://pastebin.com/Yc5UUNJN
[14:29] <mark76> Laid?
[14:30] <xsaidx> mark76: i mean its gtk look its gone
[14:30] <xsaidx> sobre
[14:30] <xsaidx> its sobre
[14:31] <xsaidx> http://pastebin.com/Yc5UUNJN mark76
[14:32] <mark76> Oh! It's you :D
[14:32] <mark76> Hey Said :)
[14:32] <mark76> Why is it in French?
[14:36] <xsaidx> yeh my lubuntu its in french mark76 ; ]
[14:37] <mark76> Why?
[14:38] <xsaidx> mark76: depend mean dpends and casse =broken
[14:38] <xsaidx> and conflit = conflict as you may kno ; ]
[14:40] <mark76> Well I'm not really the person to ask about bugs
[14:40] <xsaidx> mark76: cus even when i reinstall still the same
[14:41] <xsaidx> icant code with my gedit like that ; ] it stinks
[14:43] <mark76> Have you tried Geany?
[14:43] <xsaidx> mark76: i dont like it
[14:43] <xsaidx> me/likes gedit  ; D
[14:43] <mark76> VIM?
[14:44] <xsaidx> mark76: hihih dude its 2011  why use that kind of editors ?
[14:44] <xsaidx> plus i dont wanna spend time learnin its shortcuts ; ]
[14:45] <mark76> :p
[14:45] <xsaidx> mark76: :D
[14:48] <mark76> Emacs?
[14:49] <mark76> Mouse/leafpad?
[14:49] <xsaidx> mark76: thanks for the suggestion but i wont convet to any ; D
[14:50] <mark76> Okay
[14:50] <xsaidx> mark76: supp i odnt find that 11.10 its big deal tho
[14:50] <xsaidx> mark76: and you ?
[14:50] <xsaidx> other than the kernel
[14:50] <mark76> What?
[14:52] <xsaidx> mark76: i said my opinion in 11.10 version no much changes
[14:52] <mark76> I don't use Ubuntu anymore
[14:53] <xsaidx> mark76: im tlkin abt lubuntu : D me too  i dont have ot at all but thikin abt test it just to see whats does it look like that gnome shell and unity jsut to stay update LOL
[14:54] <mark76> I have Debian installed
[14:54] <mark76> I've only looked at the live CD of Lubuntu 11:10
[14:59] <xsaidx> i have a iso of debien and slackware i wanna test em but still not have the courage
[15:01] <mark76> Live or install?
[15:02] <mark76> My desktop is rocking this look http://imagebin.org/180302 at the moment
[15:04] <mark76> I'd like to give LXDE an OpenSolaris makeover, but there's no Nimbus theme for Openbox
[15:05] <xsaidx> mark76: no i mean install
[15:05] <xsaidx> mark76: whats that bsd ??
[15:05] <mark76> Why don't you install them in a separate partition?
[15:06] <mark76> No, it's ROX on Debian GNU/Linux made to look like OpenSolaris
[15:06] <xsaidx> yeh i have a partion set for tests but  im jst havin problem to make a good use of my time like kno
[15:06] <stlsaint> mark76: im not a big fan of older looking themes as with (puppy) but i must say you have a vintage/retro type thing going on there...i like
[15:06] <xsaidx> im not in mood to read :P
[15:07] <mark76> Thanks stlsaint
[15:07] <mark76> I like the Nimbus theme. Especially the icons
[15:07] <xsaidx> me i like clearlooks hihihi its simple and light and yet elegent in my eyes
[15:07] <stlsaint> never been a big theme guy...especially with lubuntu...just left as is
[15:08] <mark76> Someone needs to port the nimbus window manager theme to OB
[15:09] <mark76> So all four of my desktop sessions can be Solarised :D
[15:09] <stlsaint> mark76: sounds like your up for the job ;)
[15:09] <mark76> No I'm not
[15:09] <mark76> Trust me on that
[15:09] <mark76> Art is not my thing
[15:10] <xsaidx> mark76: what package tool  it has rpm ?
[15:11] <xsaidx> and whats the diff btw it and debian / ubuntu
[15:12] <mark76> What?
[15:14] <xsaidx> mark76: in solaris what pakage tool they use in this distro ?? and whats the diff btw it and debian / ubuntu
[15:14] <mark76> I have no idea. I'm using Debian
[15:15] <stlsaint> xsaidx: check out the solaris site, i dont know what package manager they use but all our different
[15:15] <xsaidx> mark76: uhn you said you have solaris Or i jst got you wong i guess
[15:15] <mark76> You did
[15:15] <mark76> I have a theme from OpenSolaris
[15:16] <stlsaint> for instance im really a yum fan when it comes to downloading and installing but i like apt-* for its package building tools
[15:16] <stlsaint> xsaidx: aye, he is not running solaris
[15:16] <stlsaint> xsaidx: if you are new to linux i wouldn't suggest opensolaris IMHO
[15:16] <xsaidx> stlsaint: yeh im jst askin ill never touch it :D
[15:17] <mark76> Solaris and OpenSolaris are both proper Unix. IIRC
[15:17] <xsaidx> if i go that far ill try debian then sluckware
[15:17] <stlsaint> xsaidx: ah dont say never, if you ever get a job in IT you probably will ;)
[15:17] <stlsaint> later folks
[15:17] <xsaidx> peace out
[15:18] <xsaidx> mark76: so your in debian right ?
[15:18] <xsaidx> is it lighter then lubuntu ?
[15:18] <mark76> I don't know
[15:19] <mark76> You could download the LXDE desktop version of Debian and find out
[15:19] <mark76> I don't even really know what lighter means
[15:20] <xsaidx> mark76: dude come on as whats  lighth the the other
[15:21] <xsaidx> bigger lighter smaller larger
[15:21] <xsaidx> higher LOL
[15:21] <mark76> How do you even measure the relative performance of two different distros unless you have two identical computers to put them on?
[15:21] <xsaidx> heres my simple laptop in lubuntu http://minus.com/lDuIxhVz8adAW
[15:21] <xsaidx> mark76: but you kno each distro has some points that its known by i guess
[15:22] <mark76> Very nice
[15:23] <xsaidx> its 11.10 btw
[15:23] <mark76> 4:23 here
[15:23] <xsaidx> tnx i wanna have a walk in that garden :D
[15:25] <mark76> I wish the ROX Panel had transparency and theming :(
[15:26] <xsaidx> btw is rox a file manager or window manager ?
[15:26] <mark76> It's a file manager that can also generate a desktop with a background, icons and a panel
[15:27] <xsaidx> i see then why not switch to pcmanfm ?
[15:27] <mark76> Because ROX, errr rocks :D
[15:27] <xsaidx> mark76: haha cool
[15:28] <xsaidx> gointo the mosque now okies
[15:28] <xsaidx> brb
[15:29] <mark76> K
[15:29] <mark76> BFN
[15:34] <dev_> How ca I set the focus on the Window when I user Alt+F2 ?
[15:34] <dev_> Lubuntu 11.10
[15:51] <dev_> .
[15:53]  * wxl yawns
[15:58] <xsaidx> back
[15:59] <xsaidx> dev_: it deponds on ur config in ur openbox config GUI you can set the focus only when u pass by the cursor on the window or click to get that focus
[16:13] <wxl> where's the keyring manager?
[16:13] <wxl> obviously the daemon is there...
[16:16] <xsaidx> wxl: can you help please
[16:16] <xsaidx> wxl: my gedit looks ugly
[16:16] <mark76> Hey silverarrow
[16:16] <silverarrow> hi
[16:16] <silverarrow> ; )
[16:17] <wxl> xsaidx: elaborate
[16:17] <xsaidx> this http://pastebin.com/MFenscPN this  gedit package  have a conflict
[16:18] <dev_> xsaidx, i have the default config. normaly i get the focus when i click on a window. But normaly the focus will be switcht to new window eg. Alt+F2
[16:18] <dev_> whats happens when you press alt+f2 ?
[16:19] <xsaidx> that un GUI pop up on the top of all windows and its normal i guess cus it supposed you to laucnh a task while you divin in sumthin else
[16:20] <xsaidx> dev_: now whats your poblem with it cus its so normal i guess
[16:20] <wxl> xsaidx: you're missing seahorse & plugins?
[16:20] <xsaidx> wxl: but i dont have seahors tho or does gedit need em ??
[16:20] <wxl> is that what casse means?
[16:21] <xsaidx> yess casse=broken wxl
[16:21] <xsaidx> conflit-conflict wxl
[16:22] <wxl> did you try sudo apt-get install gedit -f
[16:22] <wxl> ?
[16:22] <xsaidx> wxl: ill now
[16:23] <dev_> i woud like after pressing alt+f2 the focus on this windows. eg. i have to open gimp. i press Alt+f2,g,i,m,p
[16:24] <dev_> at the moment i use the mouse to fix the focus on windows
[16:24] <dev_> -s#
[16:24] <wxl> weird
[16:24] <wxl> seahorse is not a direct dependency of gedit
[16:24] <wxl> and for that matter it's a gnupg util so i'm not totally getting the how or why it would be indirectly needed
[16:25] <wxl> ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:25] <wxl> launchpad integration
[16:26] <wxl> if -f doesn't fix it xsaidx then try just manually installing seahorse
[16:26] <xsaidx> wxl: i tried but it says theres no version suspected to be installed of seahors
[16:27] <wxl> bizarre
[16:27] <wxl> i got an easy solution that requires no installation
[16:27] <wxl> vi
[16:27] <wxl> ;)
[16:28] <xsaidx> wxl: the problem is i love gedit and i feel codin on any other editor :P too bad as a habit
[16:29]  * KM0201 prefers nano to vi
[16:30]  * xsaidx same here too much shortcuts for tasks that are needed by alien not humans who wud edit in multipl lines and how can he focus on  doin that with no error
[16:35] <wxl> i even use it on my palm pre :D
[16:35] <xsaidx> wxl: is that a phone device ?
[16:35] <wxl> i used to use nano many moons ago
[16:35] <wxl> xsaidx: yeppers and a little one at that
[16:35] <xsaidx> well tbh nano its easy  to use
[16:40] <kvarley> What's the equivalent of .gvfs in lubuntu?
[16:40] <wxl> ~/.gvfs
[16:41] <kvarley> wxl: Oh...Thanks xD ... Was that in previous releases? lol
[16:41] <wxl> dunno
[16:51] <wxl> offtopic: hp/palm dropped their phones/tablets so soon my phone will be de facto useless, at which point i'm going droid. as fo the pre: http://v.gd/lrbvrf
[16:52] <xsaidx> wxl: ill screenshot my gedit okies to let you kno my main problem its abt look only
[16:52] <wxl> can't say i'm superfamiliar with gedit but i'll see what i can do
[16:54] <xsaidx> wxl: okies thnaks i guess its comin from gtk
[16:54] <xsaidx> uncompability
[16:54] <wxl> oh
[16:54] <wxl> maybe
[16:54] <wxl> i've seen that come up a couple times in this transition to the new gtk+
[16:55] <wxl> you might try a different theme
[16:55] <xsaidx> http://minus.com/lbb1LxEoqFMVSH wxl
[16:56] <wxl> looks fine to me
[16:56] <wxl> but i don't know what i'm looking at :D
[16:57] <xsaidx> gedit like that its ugly
[16:57] <xsaidx> i used to have it with gtk eyeish candy
[16:57] <wxl> used to when? with what version of what distro?
[16:58] <xsaidx> noo with lubuntu
[16:59] <xsaidx>  just last night when i do purge it purge that package but ask me to install some others wich was so weird
[16:59] <xsaidx> and afte that i got that ugly gedit
[16:59] <wxl> ahhh
[17:01] <leszek> hi
[17:01] <xsaidx> hi
[17:02] <xsaidx> wxl: i guess its gtk problem ight ?
[17:02] <wxl> xsaidx: look in /var/log/apt/history.log and see what you removed/installed last night
[17:02] <wxl> but i can only imagine it's a gtk poblem
[17:02] <wxl> damn r key
[17:04] <xsaidx> wxl: my R key too its screwd up well if theres a context fo the most ugly lookin pc ill win for sure my 6 yea toshiba looks like doesnt have anyone to clean it
[17:06] <xsaidx> wxl: ill check that file later goin for run now :D have fun time guys and thnaks wxl
[17:06] <xsaidx> peace out
[18:56] <andantino> has anyone had issues with freezing
[18:57] <KM0201> nope
[18:57] <andantino> hmmm maybe i should do a fresh install
[20:18] <brother-> upgraded to 11.10 two days ago and I am going nuts. having the same color on active and inactive title bar. was this intentional or by mistake?
[20:18] <brother-> I am changing it here for myself but if it is planned to be changed I am very much interested to know that =)
[20:19] <brother-> (and I am also not able to get rid of the dialog when using Alt+Tab to switch between applications. Haven't found the option for that yet though and I think it was my own customization earlier so that's not as annoying as the title bar
[20:36] <qwertymn> hi all, how can i edit the items in rightclick menu in the filemanager and desktop
[20:43] <KM0201> qwertymn: i think you can, but i'm not sure how.
[20:47] <z3r1n> hi
[20:47] <z3r1n>  i need some help on configuring x on a intel atom chipset
[20:57] <qwertymn> KM0201,  there's no program that i can use to do that in Lubuntu, right?
[20:57] <KM0201> qwertymn: a program? no. not to my k nowledge, what you're wanting to do would probably have to do w/ editing some configuraiton files, but i'm not really sure how to do that.
[21:01] <z3r1n> exit
[21:01] <z3r1n> jojo
[21:43] <madbovine> hey guys quick question...how can I change the time in my systray to 12 hour format?
[21:45] <bioterror> %I:%M%p  or something like
[21:45] <bioterror> you should migrate to metric system ;)
[21:45] <bioterror> you imperialist!
[21:45] <madbovine> haha
[21:45] <xsaidx> hello guys
[21:46] <madbovine> well I'm lazy and don't like subtracting 12
[21:48] <croque> madbovine: %H:%M
[21:48] <bioterror> croque, that's 24h
[21:48] <madbovine> %R is the 24 hr
[21:49] <bioterror> it's just a short for %H:%M
[21:49] <croque> oops...I misunderstood
[21:49] <madbovine> gotcha
[21:50] <bioterror> my %I:%m%p should be close
[21:50] <bioterror> %M even
[21:51] <croque> looks like %r gives AM/PM notation.
[21:51] <bioterror> googling strtime or what was it
[21:51] <bioterror> should give all the parameters
[21:51] <croque> strftime
[21:52] <madbovine> ahh gotcha
[22:09] <lubuntu1986> how do I change the font color from black to white?
[22:10] <lubuntu1986> of the clock
[22:14] <lubuntu1986> nvm I got it now
[22:16] <qwertymn> hi, i can add "cpu usage monitor" to the panel. Is there also such a think for networktraffic?
[22:23] <KM0201> qwertymn: there's a cpu monitor, not sure about network traffic
[22:26] <qwertymn> KM0201, i'd like to have one
[22:26] <KM0201> well, the cpu monitor
[22:27] <qwertymn> no, the network monitor
[22:27] <KM0201> oh, i've got no idea on a network monitor.
[22:27] <KM0201> i see a "network status monitor"
[22:29] <qwertymn> i mean soething that shows the network trafix
[22:29] <qwertymn> traffic
[22:30] <KM0201> yeah, i don't know on that one
[22:32] <xsaidx> guys all my apps looks ugly no gtk in gedit and pdf viewer :P what package shud i install ?
[22:33] <xsaidx> none ?
[22:33] <xsaidx> :P
[22:36] <qwertymn> xsaidx, i haven't got a clue, i only use lubuntu for 1 day
[22:36] <xsaidx> qwertymn: do you have gedit lookin good ?
[22:37] <xsaidx> ah its not installed by default ok what about pdf reader /
[22:37] <xsaidx> qwertymn: can you please u pdf reader ?
[22:38] <qwertymn> it looks all ok here
[22:39] <xsaidx> qwertymn: it looks nice is it with ugly borders and all
[22:41] <xsaidx> qwertymn: can you please give me what will retun you gedit deps
[22:41] <qwertymn> nope
[22:41] <xsaidx> qwertymn: heres mine http://pastebin.com/v57RH6X1
[22:43] <xsaidx> heres my gedit look http://minus.com/lbb1LxEoqFMVSH :P
[22:44] <xsaidx> and same for my pdf reader
[22:44] <qwertymn> http://pastebin.com/tF5zU6se
[22:46] <xsaidx> qwertymn: you have the same thing too
[22:46] <xsaidx> :P


[13:47] <magicaltrout> random question of the day
[13:47] <magicaltrout> has anyone seen juju ssh route them to the wrong box?
[13:51] <wpk> nope, and there's host key check to make sure it doesn't happen
[13:52] <magicaltrout> something funky is happening because if i run juju ssh 0
[13:52] <magicaltrout> i go to a remote node
[13:52] <magicaltrout> if i run juju ssh 1,2 or 3
[13:52] <magicaltrout> I loop back to my controller node
[13:53] <magicaltrout> hrm
[13:53] <wpk> magicaltrout: what does juju --debug ssh 0 says?
[13:54] <wpk> s/0/1/ ofc
[13:56] <magicaltrout> er well
[13:56] <magicaltrout> using 1 didn't fail that time but 2 did
[13:57] <magicaltrout> using target "2" address "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:57] <magicaltrout> but thats a local docker interface
[13:57] <magicaltrout> and juju status shows the #2 machine as being <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:57] <wpk> juju show-machine 2 ?
[13:58] <magicaltrout> ip-addresses: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>.... <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:58] <magicaltrout> instance-id: manual: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:59] <wpk> With --debug enabled is it checking host keys? And finding a proper key?
[14:00] <magicaltrout> https://gist.github.com/buggtb/04efdbd34493984069026810a23227ff
[14:00] <magicaltrout> and that loops me right back to the machine i'm on
[14:00] <magicaltrout> and logs me in
[14:01] <wpk> and if you ssh into the machine manually?
[14:01] <wpk> could you see how ip a looks like?
[14:02] <magicaltrout> well its external ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:02] <magicaltrout> it also has a docker internal net on <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:02] <magicaltrout> its just a manual CDK deployment
[14:03] <wpk> and <IP_ADDRESS> appears also on the machine you're on?
[14:03] <magicaltrout> isn't <IP_ADDRESS> on ever machine docker is ever installed on?
[14:03] <magicaltrout> its on my latop for example
[14:06] <wpk> magicaltrout: can you try newer juju? 2.2?
[14:06] <wpk> magicaltrout: in 2.2 we're checking for host keys on all the possible interfaces, and only connecting to the ones that provide the proper key
[14:07] <magicaltrout> can i snap change it somehow?
[14:07] <wpk> magicaltrout: in 2.0 the machine is reporting <IP_ADDRESS> as its address, so we try to connect to it. And since it's localhost it's likely it's going to 'win the race'.
[14:07] <magicaltrout> bonus
[14:13] <magicaltrout> ah yeah 2.2 does work wpk
[14:13] <magicaltrout> thanks
[14:13] <magicaltrout> that had me utterly baffled
[14:13] <wpk> magicaltrout: could you paste juju --debug ssh 2 somewhere? I wonder how it looks like
[14:13] <magicaltrout> new or old?
[14:14] <wpk> new one
[14:14] <magicaltrout> https://gist.github.com/buggtb/5a9d1708dd0ee59ea11a806dbf1c6e8a
[14:25] <wpk> Thanks
[15:15] <magicaltrout> wpk: i lied
[15:15] <magicaltrout> check this treat
[15:15] <magicaltrout> https://gist.github.com/buggtb/d85fbf00cd45c9e3b72251dd3fc619e4
[15:17] <magicaltrout> thats absolutely amazing :)
[15:18] <magicaltrout> basically you can't run docker on the same machine as a juju controller
[15:18] <magicaltrout> without it looping back in
[15:18] <magicaltrout> fml
[15:19] <magicaltrout> well
[15:19] <magicaltrout> i can change the default docker0 ip i guess that'll stop it for now
[15:31] <wpk> magicaltrout: ok, that's a serious bug
[15:35] <wpk> magicaltrout: could you do ssh-keyscan <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:37] <magicaltrout> wpk: https://gist.github.com/buggtb/6b9a4fd460aa2ba84284c3ec847808f5
[15:38] <wpk> there's no output for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:38] <wpk> try just ssh-keyscan <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:40] <magicaltrout> i have realised part of the problem
[15:40] <magicaltrout> there is an ubuntu user locally which allows ssh loopback access to the jujucontroller user I have
[15:40] <magicaltrout> which is non-standard I accept :)
[15:40] <magicaltrout> so usually you wouldn't be able to login to yourself
[15:41] <magicaltrout> that said, its still a bit weird how the docker interface gets preferential treatment over the interfaces you've declared
[15:42] <wpk> it's the fastest one
[15:42] <wpk> since both <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> are in private space
[15:43] <wpk> we wouldn't know anything about docker, ip is an ip
[15:48] <wpk> hm, but still it shouldn't validate the host key on both IPs
[20:59] <ryebot> Where can I find documentation for bootstrapping & adding units in an egress-restricted environment?
[22:04] <bdx> elasticsearch-peeps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25825991/
[22:04] <bdx> :0
[22:06] <lazyPower> nice