[00:49] <DroBuddy> I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 Precise and am unable to get my USB tethering to work; I've been googling this for a few days now and haven't been able to make any head-way. `ipconfig usb0` shows it with a valid IPv4 and IPv6 address; `ip route` looks right, but 'ip link show' shows the usb0 state as UNKOWN. Anyone have any suggestions on how to get this to properly come up?
[00:50] <DroBuddy> I was using Kubuntu 13.x but down graded hoping that it would resolve the issue, but alas that didn't help either... I feel like I'm running in circles at this point.
[00:52] <DroBuddy> Carrier => sprint, Data => unlimited, Tethering => allowed per plan
[00:53] <DroBuddy> adb sees the device and is able to communicate with it; when I switch USB tethering on it shows it as connected in the sys tray, with a valid IP, and DNS appears to be working so I'm not sure what the problem could be.
[00:54] <DroBuddy> When I attempt to ping google.com it resolves the IP address properly, so that's why I believe the DNS is working properly (and ip route looks right)...
[00:55] <DroBuddy> I'm all ears. ;)
[00:55] <DroBuddy> I thought it may have been an iptables issue so I did iptables -F to flush all my rules and added a new rule to allow :80 but that didn't help. So, I'm ASSUMING that it's not a FW issue at this point.
[00:56] <apb1963>  Anyone know much about jitsi?  I had it working and then I started messing with plugins and now I have no audio.  kubuntu 12.04.3
[00:57] <apb1963> DroBuddy: -F doesn't reset policies.  Have you tried iptables-save or iptables -L -v to see what's still in your table after you flushed?
[00:58] <apb1963> DroBuddy: have you tried ifconfig up ?
[00:59] <DroBuddy> I tried ifconfig usb0 up and down then up and it binds to the IP properly... I'll try the iptables cmds now and let ya know
[00:59] <DroBuddy> Thanks, btw
[01:00] <apb1963> can you ping that interface?
[01:00] <DroBuddy> I can ping the IP allocated but not the GW
[01:01] <DroBuddy> And, after looking at iptables -L -v it doesn't show any rules for usb0, only for my virbr0 (used for KVM)
[01:01] <apb1963> What is the policy?
[01:03] <DroBuddy> One sec. I'm gonna paste the output into a bin... If I can get pastebin to load. :(
[01:04] <DroBuddy> I'm using shared wifi in a bar right now and it's dog slow
[01:04] <apb1963> drinking is not the answer ;)
[01:04] <DroBuddy> lol, I'm not drinking is the sadder part... But it's the closest place that has wifi lol
[01:05] <DroBuddy> Argh, ubuntu's pastebin wont load, nor will pastebin.com for some reason... But, I can use IRC and google.
[01:05] <DroBuddy> Gotta love it.
[01:06] <apb1963> try paste.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <DroBuddy> Had to untether the phone so it wasn't confused on which interface; now it's loading
[01:07] <DroBuddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729941/
[01:07] <DroBuddy> That's my current iptables rules after a fresh install.
[01:08] <apb1963> ok so policy is accept
[01:08] <apb1963> what's your route table look like?
[01:08] <apb1963> where/what is your gateway?
[01:09] <DroBuddy> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:09] <DroBuddy> is the GW
[01:09] <apb1963> and the ip you're using?
[01:09] <DroBuddy> <IP_ADDRESS> is what DHCP is handing out
[01:09] <apb1963> netmask? or cidr?
[01:10] <DroBuddy> <IP_ADDRESS> is the broadcast, so it's a full block (I forget the CIDR notation off the top of my head)
[01:10] <DroBuddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729954/ is my ip routes
[01:10] <DroBuddy> It doesn't show anything now for usb0, but I can re-add it real quick... and amend
[01:11] <DroBuddy> sudo ip address add <IP_ADDRESS> peer <IP_ADDRESS> dev usb0 is what I used to add the route last time... But, I'm not 100% it's right. I think it is, I think it is... lol
[01:12] <apb1963> it helps to have the route :)
[01:14] <DroBuddy> Interestingly enough, turning usb tethering on doesn't kill my IRC connectivity, but stops me from being able to resolve websites...
[01:14] <DroBuddy> Anyway, here is the ip route info with usb0 added: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729972/
[01:15] <DroBuddy> :: wishes he would have taken networking classes in school ::
[01:15] <DroBuddy> lol
[01:19] <apb1963> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev usb0
[01:19] <apb1963> why?
[01:20] <apb1963> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[01:24] <DroBuddy> Argh. This is a bit frustrating.
[01:24] <DroBuddy> It's getting late; I'm gonna try and tackle this in the morning. Thanks for your time, apb
[01:24] <DroBuddy> G'night
[03:43] <James0r> what's a good dvd authoring software for kde?
[03:43] <James0r> i had a good one i used before but i can't remember the name. was able to quickly throw clips together and it would generate a menu for me
[03:44] <valorie> kdenlive?
[03:45] <valorie> !kdenlive
[03:45] <valorie> silly ubottu
[03:45] <valorie> !info kdenlive
[03:45] <James0r> valorie: that's for kinda all purpose video editing right?
[03:46] <valorie> not sure; I've never used it
[03:46] <valorie> I've worked with the devels though
[03:46] <valorie> good people
[03:47] <valorie> http://www.kdenlive.org/
[03:52] <James0r> right right. i used it once. worked well.
[03:57] <mmmmna> Hey...
[04:01] <mmmmna> In need of some help mid install of 13.10
[04:11] <mmmmna> nm. 200+ in the memberlist, nobody really here....
[04:48] <valorie> can't help when you don't say what you need help with!
[06:16] <emma> how can i set a compose key for kubuntu?
[06:24] <valorie> oh, there is a great tut for that somewhere
[06:25] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ComposeKey
[06:25] <valorie> scroll down for more recent info
[06:25] <valorie> that page needs updating!
[06:27] <emma> i was just looking at that page before i came here but my menu doesn't include the keyboard thing that it shows
[06:27] <emma> do you use kubuntu 4.x ?
[06:27] <valorie> yes
[06:27] <valorie> ok, I did it, i'll look for the tut I used
[06:28] <valorie> this might be better: http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/ComposeKey
[06:28] <emma> does that keyboard option show up for you? I have country region and language and i have spellchecker but no keyboard
[06:28] <bomber> hello folks.
[06:30] <bomber> I messed up my graphical kde. I installed a nvidia driver while in x and after the reboot It dont go into the window enviornment anymore.
[06:31] <bomber> I would love some help getting this back up and running.
[06:32] <emma> This is a test: æ seems to work!
[06:32] <emma> ó
[06:32] <emma> thanks!
[06:33] <emma> yeah the second link is much better
[06:33] <valorie> mine is exactly like Current KDE Configuration describes
[06:37] <emma> yeah mine is like how current KDE configuration describes also, in the second link. But not like how it is in the first link under 4.x
[06:38] <ussher_> bomber: did you try loggin in and running nvidia-settings as root?
[06:42] <valorie> yay emma!
[06:47] <soee> good morning
[09:54]  * timothys slaps AntiSpamMeta around a bit with a large trout
[09:54]  * timothys slaps wxl around a bit with a large trout
[10:25] <RealNWO> kubuntu is better than ubuntu
[10:25] <RealNWO> cuz kde is better than unity
[10:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:25] <keops> hola!
[12:53] <arkro> hi all, I have UEFI system in my pc( with windows 8). Today, I have installed kubuntu. After rebooting, grub2 prompt is showing up. I don't know where to go from there. Please help.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[15:39] <Felishia-3> ls
[15:39] <Felishia-3> oops
[15:39] <Felishia-3> alright alright I'm having trouble in here, someone help :p
[15:39] <Felishia-3> I did rm -r /boot mistakenly
[15:40] <Felishia-3> well to the wrong /boot... I was deleting the other OS and I deleted kubuntu boot folder
[15:40] <Felishia-3> and everything I do with live
[15:40] <Felishia-3> it's like "no space left on the device"
[15:41] <sithlord48> its a live system?
[15:41] <Felishia-3> yap
[15:41] <Felishia-3> kubuntu
[15:41] <Felishia-3> 13,10
[15:41] <sithlord48> does the drive have perssitance?
[15:41] <Felishia-3> and I'm trying to install boot repair
[15:41] <Felishia-3> and I can't
[15:41] <Felishia-3> nope
[15:41] <FloodBotK1> Felishia-3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:42] <sithlord48> then if you reboot w/the  live stick it should still have its /boot
[15:42] <Felishia-3> yes of course
[15:42] <Felishia-3> but I deleted the /boot of the one in my hard drive
[15:42] <Felishia-3> and I don't want to do a complete reinstall
[15:42] <sithlord48> well then you should only have to reinstall it
[15:42] <Felishia-3> also I have windows on dual-boot and it's a pain
[15:43] <Felishia-3> I have a lot of configurations
[15:43] <sithlord48> perhaps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair will hlep
[15:43] <Felishia-3> I could do it easily but it always pops up an error message, of everything imagined
[15:43] <Felishia-3> sithlord48: "No space left on the device"
[15:43] <Felishia-3> each time I try to run boot-repair
[15:43] <Felishia-3> so I tried grub-install
[15:43] <Felishia-3> on a chroot
[15:44] <Felishia-3> and it doesn't work
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Felishia-3, do you have still have / ?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> you can install kubuntu to /
[15:45] <BluesKaj> asuming you have a /home partition there should be no data loss
[15:46] <BluesKaj> oops talking nobody :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> to
[15:46] <sithlord48> BluesKaj:  just have to wait till they get back
[15:46] <sithlord48> guess it wasn't a long wait lol
[15:46] <felishia3> and it reboot whenever it has the chance
[15:46] <felishia3> like now
[15:47] <felishia3> and I had to go again on the live system
[15:47] <felishia3> it's like "you're not going to do it"
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Felishia-3, do you have still have / and /home ?
[15:47] <felishia3> yes...
[15:47] <BluesKaj> partitions
[15:47] <dnivra> Hello. I'm using Kubuntu 13.10 and trying to connect to the phone from desktop to transfer few files. Whenver I open dolphin and navigate to the phone, I get "The process for mtp protocol died unexpectedly." I have transferred files before but been getting this error lately. Any help would be appreciated.
[15:48] <felishia3> BluesKaj: not as partitions
[15:48] <sithlord48> dnivra:  unplug the phone and try again.. mtp support is still very new.  i don't know of any better solution for now.
[15:48] <felishia3> and I have more in /bin and /opt
[15:48] <felishia3> you know how hard was to configure bin to me!
[15:48] <sithlord48> dnivra:  also be sure your phone is not locked when you do try to move files.
[15:49] <dnivra> sithlord48: been doing that a few times and even tried after few reboots. no luck.
[15:49] <dnivra> well the screenguard is on. is that what you meant by locked sithlord48?
[15:49] <sithlord48> dnivra:  yes
[15:50] <felishia3> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow
[15:50] <felishia3> he hell?
[15:50] <felishia3> I don't have a cow
[15:51] <BluesKaj> felishia3 so what partitions do you have for linux?
[15:51] <dnivra> sithlord48: maybe that was the issue after all. Thanks for the tip!
[15:51] <sithlord48> dnivra:  your welcome
[15:51] <felishia3> just one... I have a lot of partitions
[15:51] <felishia3> I save my code in another partition so it's safe
[15:51] <felishia3> but the configuration of linux is on the whole filesystem
[15:52] <felishia3> one linux partition, two NTFS and the swap
[15:56] <felishia3> I'm installing boot-repair the k-bad-kitty way I hope it works, I'm not touching the dammed ram anymore
[16:00] <felishia3> yay yeah :D
[16:04] <daftpunk> search fgrom kicker seems to be case sensitive ignoring encoding rules for text
[16:04] <daftpunk> from*
[16:05] <daftpunk> really annoying IRC qworked but irc didn't
[16:08] <BluesKaj> try using the applications in the kicker
[16:37] <kubuntu> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:37] <kubuntu>  gconf2
[16:37] <Felishia-3> oops
[16:37] <Felishia-3> I meant
[16:37] <Felishia-3> I can't fix it
[16:38] <Felishia-3> I do apt-get install -f
[16:38] <Felishia-3> apt-get reinstall
[16:38] <lordievader> Felishia-3: Could you pastebin the full apt-get output?
[16:38] <Felishia-3> apt-get whatever I can do
[16:38] <Felishia-3> ok
[16:38] <Felishia-3> but it's so dammed long
[16:40] <Felishia-3> http://pastebin.com/FK7znaUy
[16:40] <Felishia-3> there is
[16:43] <lordievader> Felishia-3: Ah, you are using a chroot.
[16:43] <Felishia-3> yes
[16:44] <Felishia-3> I was the one that did rm -r to my /boot :(
[16:44] <daftpunk> yeha using the applications works but the search doesn't work properly, using lts
[16:44] <lordievader> Felishia-3: It is useful to mention such things.
[16:44] <daftpunk> chromium also has profile issues on a pc and on a tablet
[16:44] <Felishia-3> lordievader: I think I should keep going, anyway I don't think I need gnome libraries to run
[16:44] <Felishia-3> it's kubuntu anyway
[16:45] <lordievader> Felishia-3: Not for Kubuntu, for what was gconf a dependency?
[16:45] <daftpunk> activities too, though that's more of a kde bug along with not being able to pipe kio so for instance umm... having a uri within a uri
[16:46] <Felishia-3> lordievader: I have no idea...
[16:46] <daftpunk> annoying if you want to like specific apps in a activity, so for instance I have an activity for programming, one for gp and one for editing movies etc...
[16:46] <Felishia-3> actually I'm learning qt developing, and I don't think I have something that uses gconf2
[16:46] <Felishia-3> eclipse maybe?
[16:46] <Felishia-3> or the python IDLE?
[16:47] <Felishia-3> I thought it used tk tcl and Eclipse I don't know
[16:50] <lordievader> Felishia-3: Hmm oh well. GTK libs/apps shouldn't be necessary for Kubu.
[16:50] <Felishia-3> so I'll keep loading boot-repair
[16:57] <Felishia-3> Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting.
[16:57] <Felishia-3> oh come on!
[16:58] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: did you do manual partition of harddisk?
[16:59] <rcw2> in kubuntu 13.10 is there an easy way to see if this skype was installed from ubuntu repos
[16:59] <Felishia-3> yes
[17:00] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: that's why
[17:00] <Felishia-3> but what the heck is /cow?
[17:01] <Felishia-3> why does it says failed to get the canonical path of /cow?
[17:01] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: which partitions did you create?
[17:02] <Felishia-3> Kubuntu, Windows, swap and another NTFS
[17:02] <Felishia-3> you know I think it'd hundreds of times easier to just format everything and reinstall again
[17:02] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: did you create "/" and "swap" partitions and formatted them?
[17:02] <Felishia-3> yes
[17:03] <ovrflw0x> did you have separate /boot partition?
[17:04] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: ?
[17:04] <Felishia-3> oops
[17:04] <Felishia-3> nope
[17:04] <ovrflw0x> what?
[17:04] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: are you female?
[17:06] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: ?
[17:06] <Felishia-3> what does that has to be with my question? :(
[17:06] <Felishia-3> I seriously need to fix my PC
[17:07] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: create '/' andd 'swap' and install again
[17:07] <lordievader> Felishia-3: What is exactly the problem? Can't you use a live-cd/usb and install from there?
[17:07] <Felishia-3> I don't want to format my pc
[17:08] <Felishia-3> but I'm like going to format all this because it's getting on my nerves
[17:08] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: what does you hard disk partition table look like?
[17:08] <ovrflw0x> your*
[17:08] <Felishia-3> MSDOS NTFS Ext4 NTFS swap
[17:08] <lordievader> Felishia-3: Doing a dual boot with a shared /home partition? Is that an idea?
[17:09] <Felishia-3> I'm going to break everything in pieces now... because I'm going to explode
[17:09] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: hold on there sweety
[17:09] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: what's mounted on ext4?
[17:09] <Felishia-3> :( no, I have classes on monday and I'm going to study computational science, how am I supposed to do if my Linux doesn't work?
[17:10] <Felishia-3> kubuntu
[17:10] <ovrflw0x> i mean what's mounted on ext4 ? "/" or "/root" or "/boot"?
[17:11] <Felishia-3> and there's nall
[17:11] <Felishia-3> "/"
[17:11] <Felishia-3> and there's all
[17:12] <Felishia-3> "/root and /boot
[17:12] <ovrflw0x> Felishia-3: which computer are you on right now?
[17:13] <Felishia-3> this
[17:13] <Felishia-3> ts
[17:13] <Felishia-3> alright it won't write
[17:13] <Felishia-3> It crashed
[17:13] <posthuman> @Felishia-3:  calm down :D .... get a live CD and  backup your essential stuff .. after that reinstall whatever your OS is @ the moment.
[17:13] <Felishia-3> I can do a new partitition and put bin in alright?
[17:13] <Felishia-3> I can do a new partitition and put bin in alright?
[17:13] <Felishia-3> I can do a new partitition and put bin in alright?
[17:13] <FloodBotK1> Felishia-3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:13] <posthuman> no
[17:14] <posthuman> i dont think doing changes to the file system is what u need right now
[17:14] <posthuman> backup your files first
[17:16] <posthuman> xD Felishia left the building
[17:17]  * monkeyjuice wonder why anyone would have problems
[17:18] <ovrflw0x> wty is FloodBotK2 so annoying using quiet and things
[17:18] <ovrflw0x> wtf*
[17:18] <ovrflw0x> i was going to help a possible female and floodbot quieted
[17:20] <lordievader> The bots are here for good reason. But, unfortunately, they don't have any intelligence.
[17:21] <ovrflw0x> k guyz l8trs
[17:21] <posthuman> l8ter
[17:52] <mr_crabs> test
[18:06] <guest-over9000> Hello All
[18:08] <guest-over9000> Could andone gave me a solution how to properly install a ATI drivers on kubuntu ? fglrx, fglrx-update from Additional Drivers is not working (black screen after reboot), also the official ATI drivers from website, and I can't install when I follow this tutorial: https://gist.github.com/moldcraft/8116528
[18:08] <guest-over9000> anyone* sorry, my bad
[18:14] <BluesKaj> guest-over9000, what's your ATI graphics gpu ?
[18:15] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: HD 6370M
[18:17] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: I'm rebooting now, see You soon
[18:33] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: I'm back. Still no clue :( Nothing is working
[18:41] <BluesKaj> guest-over9000, is this the driver you were trying to install from ati website? http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64
[18:42] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: I tried it too, still not working. I was trying to install fglrx, and fglrx-updates also with a patch, and still not working. All the ways failed. Open drivers fail, official from the link You posted above failed too
[18:42] <guest-over9000> I found a new way right now via google, and trying to install it now
[18:43] <BluesKaj> guest-over9000, does the install fail or once installed fails to boot ?
[18:44] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: official installed, booted but I was having black scren
[18:44] <guest-over9000> so I boot in recovery mode and delete them
[18:46] <BluesKaj> actually booting recovery mode you should choose "fix broken packages" in the dialog
[18:48] <guest-over9000> hmm so I'll try to install once again drivers, boot into recovery and choose 'fix broken packages' option. Okay I'm doing it now
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ok , I'll bb in a few mins
[18:53] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: Okay, I finished install (results with error: http://pastebin.com/PhWxMHLr). I'll reboot now, see You soon
[18:56] <rcw2> my wifi connection seems to disconnect after closing the lid, but only after 10 minutes of lid closure.  i've told kubuntu to do nothing when closing the lid
[19:04] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: Okay I'am back. After installing official driver from website and fixing it via recovery mode, I logged to my system, but the resolution is very small and I can't change it. Also the Catalyst panel is not working
[19:09] <BluesKaj> ok , did you lgin directly from the recovery mode or did you reboot, guest-over9000
[19:10] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: I reboot to recovery and make fix
[19:10] <BluesKaj> guest-over9000, reboot agin
[19:10] <BluesKaj> again
[19:10] <guest-over9000> BluesKaj: okay doind it right now
[19:12] <guest-over9000_> BluesKaj: Done. Still that same resolution, not working catalyst.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> :/
[19:14] <BluesKaj> you didn't reboot , justy loggrd out and back in
[19:15] <guest-over9000_> BluesKaj: I reboot the whole laptop.
[19:15] <guest-over9000_> rebooted*
[19:41] <rcw2> my wifi connection seems to disconnect after closing the lid, but only after 10 minutes of lid closure.  i've told kubuntu to do nothing when closing the lid
[20:39] <Ab3L> hi
[20:41] <ice9> why does changing the GTK theme in KDE from the system settings also changes it in Unity?
[20:42] <Ab3L> i would like to add an option when in dolphin i drag and drop a file in a folder. currently, when you do it, you get three choices: move here, copy here, link here. I would like to add "hardlink here", but i don't know where and how to build the script. can you help me, or give me a brief tutorial reference? thx in advance.
[21:00] <trustythar> Good evening to all I would like to make use of it velocizare kubuntu on a netbook with 2 gigs of memory you have some advice?
[21:01] <trustythar> Good evening to all I would like to make use of it speed up kubuntu on a netbook with 2 gigs of memory you have some advice?
[21:07] <jdrab> trustythar: run kcm_nepomuk and uncheck everything on first tab
[21:08] <jdrab> and you can also try to turn off some kde services in "kcmkded"
[22:10] <tamerlanchiques> Does the kubuntu have overall app store with ubuntu?
[22:26] <valorie> tamerlanchiques: yes
[22:26] <valorie> not an "app store" as such, but we share all the same repositories
[22:27] <valorie> pretty much any application available to any debian user is also available to any ubuntu user, including all the flavors
[22:29] <tamerlanchiques> Thanks for answer.
[22:29] <valorie> that's so general; is there something specific we can help you with?
[22:34] <tamerlanchiques> I have Windows on computer (two NTFS sections). Do I need to create a new partition with own coding? If it is necessary, what file system should I use best?
[22:36] <tamerlanchiques> And could hurt kubuntu my files that stored in the NTFS file system?
[22:38] <valorie> hmm, I was hoping some win experts would speak up for you
[22:39] <valorie> it's been so many years since I used windows......
[22:43] <BluesKaj> tamerlanchiques, np , intstalling kubuntu will not hurt your windows
[22:43] <BluesKaj> ntfs files
[22:46] <BluesKaj> tamerlanchiques, if you have free space on the HDD then you can use that to create an ext4 partition for / (root) and /home and a linux swap
[22:47] <tamerlanchiques> Thanks for advice. I will try to instal kubuntu tomorrow.
[22:47] <BluesKaj> tamerlanchiques, i recommend you do some research on partitioning for linux OSs
[22:48] <BluesKaj> it's worth knowing
[23:22] <ahoneybun> anyone now how to completely remove gnome from once you install the kubuntu-desktop package?
[23:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: there is a guide for that somewhere....
[23:24] <valorie> !purge
[23:24] <valorie> buh, not that
[23:26] <valorie> http://superuser.com/questions/28781/how-to-remove-the-ubuntu-gnome-desktop-after-making-the-switch-to-kde
[23:30] <ahoneybun> hello valorie ll
[23:35] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[23:35] <valorie> power is flickering here sometimes
[23:36] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:37] <valorie> wind/rainstorm started last night
[23:37] <valorie> nothing exciting though
[23:37] <valorie> yet
[23:55] <Strav>  He. I'm having some problems building nepomuk-core on kubuntu (the issue seems to be related to my soprano setup). Anyone can help?
[23:57] <valorie> are you building from git?
[23:57] <valorie> or using project-neon


[17:04] <blackboxsw> holmanb: thanks for the spec review for cloud-init adding "autoinstall:" support though #cloud-config schema. So, the plan is for cloud-init to source the supplemental subquity "autoinstall:" static JSON schema and validate that during installer/ephemeral boot if present.
[17:04] <blackboxsw> holmanb: So, let's discuss your open question in the spec: "why would we want cloud-init want to fallback to use a static opaque schema which only validates "autoinstall:" as a top-level object if no subiquity static schema is present.
[17:07] <blackboxsw> holmanb: I admit I was thinking about this only in terms simple JSON schema validation via 3rd party tools which use schemastore.org such as https://www.jsonschemavalidator.net/   and vscode if someone creates a cloud-config.yaml file in their repository in vscode, or via jsonschemavalidor.net there will not be a supplemental schema anywhwere which would permit an "autoinstall:" key in #cloud-config and those YAML config keys will get
[17:07] <blackboxsw> rejected by local validation
[17:08] <blackboxsw> holmanb: I admit though, that this opaque fallback presents two problem in that local autoinstall: schema validation via vscode or schemavalidator:
[17:09] <blackboxsw> 1. opaque local schema validation of autoinstall could potentially "validate" any invalid autoinstall sub-keys which would error out when officially trying to launch via a live-installer environment
[17:15] <blackboxsw> 2. any opaque or full static copy of subiquity autoinstall schema that cloud-init bakes into our static schema definitions will be static and likely be out of date with latest subiquity json schema unless we dynamically $ref the upstream subiquity JSON schema from https://github.com/canonical/subiquity/blob/main/autoinstall-schema.json
[17:16] <blackboxsw> And maybe our best course of action is to either use a local subiquity packaged schema file if present, or source a remote $ref on https://github.com/canonical/subiquity/blob/main/autoinstall-schema.json as fallback instead of cloud-init creating it's own opaque local schema
[17:22] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: +1 thanks for bringing the conversation here. I see the "fallback to opaque validation" as an unwanted silent failure for both editor autocompletion usage, as well as in the case of validation for subiquity.
[17:24] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: If the schema isn't properly sourced, I think I want some proverbial flashing neon lights indicating that either my editor config isn't right, or that subiquity is riding a unicycle down the freeway without training wheels.
[17:25] <blackboxsw> holmanb: yes that makes sense. It's a disservice to provide either a stale snapshot or opaque representation of that schema for local/exxternal tool schema validation in that case.
[17:26] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: I must also admit I don't fully understand refs. This bit from the docs particularly makes me feel like my intuition is best left behind: "Generally, implementations don’t make HTTP requests (https://) or read from the file system (file://) to fetch schemas. Instead, they provide a way to load schemas into an internal schema database."
[17:27] <holmanb> link: https://json-schema.org/understanding-json-schema/structuring.html#schema-identification
[17:32] <blackboxsw> Right, I think the implementation may be different depending on whether it's python JSON schema validation vs golang vs something else. From my limited understanding herem we have defined a top-level base-uri via our $id tag here https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/schemas/versions.schema.cloud-config.json#L3 and from that top-level based URI we have potentially a number of relative URLs we can source.
[17:34] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: Thanks, perhaps that's just an implementation detail that isn't really necessary for this discussion.
[17:34] <blackboxsw> But, because of limitations in using relative $refs in schema draft 04 python implemnentation, we actually don't use the relative URLs https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/schemas/versions.schema.cloud-config.json#L14
[17:35] <blackboxsw> we instead use the full URI and pull that upstream file down to validate latest schema version for cloud-init.
[17:36] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: I think I agree that 'use the local autoinstall schema by default, fallback to network if none provided' generally makes sense. This will give you the packaged version that matches the OS by if subiquity is installed, and the most recent published version otherwise.
[17:38] <blackboxsw> so anyone's vscode (and jsonvalidator) should be validating current local user-data/cloud-config.yaml against our upstream versioned schema. What this means though because json validation implementions are sourcing our upstream static JSON files, is that schema version deprecation needs to support older schema versions in https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/schemas/versions.schema.cloud-config.json
[17:39] <blackboxsw> >> This will give you the packaged version that matches the OS by if subiquity is installed, and the most recent published version otherwise.   Ok good. we'll start with that and iterate in a PR in further discussion on this point as we marinate on that option and potential pitfalls :)
[17:48] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: Sounds good. Related, I think we may need to change how we've been handling the schema in main for release versions. Perhaps this was intended to be handled with the 22.3 release?
[17:49] <holmanb> Since our versions.schema.cloud-config.json currently points to upstream main
[17:49] <holmanb> I think we'll want to revert the v1 schema for 22.2 back to the latest 22.2 upstream release, add a "tip" schema for ongoing developement, and update versions.schema.cloud-config.json with each release with a new file.
[17:50] <holmanb> blackboxsw: does that make sense?
[17:52] <blackboxsw> @holmanb I think that is a gap that we need to address long-term. But, maybe we can fold some of that foundational work into the subiquity/autoinstall schema roadmap item. As it is currently we should be able to continue to reference "old" versions, and cloud-nit schema is not strict as far as permitting additionalProperties, so we have some short runway to iron out the best release-specific schema hardening.
[17:54] <blackboxsw> "continue to reference "old" versions" by that I mean our versions.schema.cloud-config,json file does represent old versions even if tip of main moves on to something incompatible. Our problem to address is how to ensure stable releases of cloud-init only honor the schema version they support.
[18:05] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: I think that referencing old versions can be accomplished in the method I described.  The version enum in versions.schema.cloud-config.json should probably have a default value of the current release in the tagged release, and on main the default would be the "tip" schema file.
[18:06] <holmanb> I agree this isn't really urgent at the moment, although anyone using schema validation in an editor is currently getting prompts that are the tip of main, which will likely include non-valid values at any given point in time.
[18:17] <blackboxsw> +1  on that holmanb
[18:19] <holmanb> @blackboxsw:  and maybe the resolution to this issue is as simple as s|main|22\.2| on this line https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/4970f3b9f5a4c3f48e445ef7bcc2c73bd924315e/cloudinit/config/schemas/versions.schema.cloud-config.json#L14
[18:39] <themachine> I'm trying to use network config v1 with NoCloud source and overall it's worked fine but I'm now attempting to assign a MAC address with "mac_address:" and upon doing so the rest of the network configuration never takes place. I've recreated this on Debian 11 and Centos Stream 8 cloud images so far. My network-config file I'm currently testing is: https://termbin.com/6vzb
[18:40] <themachine> with MAC_ADDRESS getting replaced with a randomly generated but valid MAC
[18:42] <themachine> If anyone has a suggestion as to what the cause is I'm all ears. I didn't find anything of help in the cloud-init.log on the VM.
[18:59] <minimal> themachine: what do you mean assign a MAC address? the hypervisor will define whatever MAC a NIC has
[19:00] <minimal> any mac address specified is use for matching interfaces, not for setting a mac address
[19:01] <themachine> minimal: at least with qemu/kvm and libvirt a mac is randomly generated for the guest
[19:01] <minimal> right, but that's nothing to do with cloud-init
[19:02] <minimal> you do not need to specify any mac address in network-config unless there is more than 1 NIC and you are trying to *match* specified settings with a particular NIC
[19:03] <themachine> I am manually assigning a mac at the hypervisor level but when I use mac_address: in my network config to match that mac the rest of the networking is not configured.
[19:04] <themachine> I was attempting to use mac matching to avoid having to know the name of the interface in the guest.
[19:05] <minimal> which version of cloud-init? I believe the entry name is "macaddress" (without "_") in some versions of cloud-init
[19:05] <minimal> themachine: so you are setting up more than 1 NIC for the VM?
[19:05] <themachine> 20.4.1 on this debian 11 guest
[19:06] <minimal> themachine: so you are setting up more than 1 NIC for the VM?
[19:06] <themachine> I am not
[19:06] <minimal> so then don't specify any mac in the network-config then
[19:07] <minimal> as I said its basically used when there is more than 1 NIC present
[19:08] <themachine> Would you have a suggestion then on how to assign networking if I don't know the "name:" of the interface? My problem I'm running into is that some cloud images use the predictable naming convention whiles others (such as centos) use eth0 still.
[19:08] <minimal> the v1 docs say "name: <desired device name>"
[19:08] <minimal> so it is the *desired* name, not the current name
[19:13] <minimal> themachine: ^^^
[19:14] <themachine> Yes I'm working with that now but it's not behaving as I would expect it to. This may be due to my own lack of understanding of system network configuration.
[19:16] <themachine> I just removed the mac_address from my network-config and build a new centos guest. I see that in sysconfig/network-scripts a script with the appropriate configuration is created but that isn't active on boot and thus the rest of the cloud-init configuration (such as update and package installation) fails
[19:16] <minimal> so what does the cloud-init.log show?
[19:17] <minimal> is the network config being written? (Centos is sysconfig isn't in?)
[19:17] <themachine> Yes it would appear that the network configuration is written but then not used
[19:18] <themachine> I provided "enp1s0" as the interface name but on boot eth0 is the only interface presented by 'ip link show'
[19:18] <themachine> I'm looking at the cloud-init.log now
[19:19] <minimal> so is network written for enp1s0 or for eth0?
[19:19] <themachine> enp1s0
[19:20] <minimal> what value are you specifying for "name:" in the network-config?
[19:20] <themachine> enp1s0
[19:20] <minimal> ok, so that sounds correct
[19:20] <blackboxsw> passing through comment, on my centos9 lxc instance with cloud-init enabled: grep eth /var/log/cloud-init.log https://paste.opendev.org/show/bjfmE5zMmOveaSAoJ3ow/
[19:20] <themachine> I agree. What I don't understand now is why enp1s0 isn't being used.
[19:21] <minimal> well that sounds like a Centos issue ;-) if the sysconfig for enp1s0 is setup then I'd expect Centos to use it
[19:22] <minimal> but the log you just pasted references eth0 - which is not what you said
[19:22] <themachine> that wasn't me
[19:22] <minimal> doh, didn't notice it was blackboxsw lol
[19:23] <blackboxsw> heh, sorry drive-by comment as I was poking at what I had locally
[19:24] <minimal> themachine: you won't see similiar log entries to those blackboxsw posted unless debug is enabled for cloud-init.log
[19:28] <blackboxsw> themachine: +1 on that. generally what you want to see is what cloud-init processed for network config via a logs like:  `egrep 'applying net config names|Applying network|rename|render|Writing to /etc' /var/log/cloud-init.log `
[19:30] <blackboxsw> that should give you an understanding of what cloud-init saw from network config, whether it renamed network interfaces, when network config backend cloud-init determined "renderer" of choice and ultimately what /etc network config file it wrote.
[19:30] <blackboxsw> journalctl -b 0 should also have NIC discovery and rename information from the kernel and cloud-init which should also give breadcrumbs for whether device renames happened and cloud-init missed them or something strange like that
[19:37] <blackboxsw> also there is funkiness I recall on systems with both network-manager and sysconfig that could result in cloud-init emitting sysconfig files, but network-manager trying to control the device or vice-versa https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1894837
[19:37] <themachine> Thank you for your advice.
 :)
[19:38] <themachine> I definitely see now that all the network configuration is being written appropriately but something else is happening that I apparently don't yet understand.
[19:44] <minimal> blackboxsw: remember we talked last week about looked like a v1->netplan bug re: nameserver. Did a bug get raised?
[19:46] <themachine> For the sake of comparison I switched back to Debian 11 and I changed the "name:" of the interface eth0 because I know the actual adapter name in the system will be named enp1s0.
[19:47] <minimal> themachine: you changed the "name: eth0" entry to "name: enp1s0" you mean?
[19:47] <themachine> Upon building the guest I see in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ there is 50-cloud-init which has the appropriate network config present but 'ip link show' indicates the only adapter is enp1s0
[19:47] <themachine> minimal: No, i set "name: eth0"
[19:48] <minimal> ok
[19:49] <themachine> and attempting to start networking with 'systmectl start networking' results in an error in the journal indicating 'Cannot find device eth0'
[19:52] <blackboxsw> minimal: for shame. I happily went off to PTO for the US holiday and forgot the file tha bug from thursday. Will file it now.  `cloud-init devel net-convert -network-data=netv1.yaml --kind=yaml -D ubuntu  -O netplan -d    outputdir` etc.
[19:55] <themachine> So my experience so far is that if 'name:' doesn't match the actual interface name assigned by the kernel then networking cannot start
[20:01] <themachine> If I also use "mac_address:" to match the MAC then the interface is renamed to whatever I define for "name:" but no network configuration is ever written at all
[20:02] <minimal> blackboxsw: I'm looking into another issue but not sure if it lies with Alpine or with cloud-init - using NoCloud seed-url where the downloaded meta-data contains network-config info, a /e/n/i is written with the proper config but the "ifup" executed by cloud-init has no effect, the DHCP-allocated IP setup for the seed request to be possible remains - if I manually do a "ifup -f" afterwards I do get the desired network config but the DHCP address also
[20:02] <minimal> remains. Its going to take me a bit of time to dig further
[20:06] <themachine> I need to go eat some lunch but if anyone has additional input regarding what I'm seeing/doing I'll gratefully read it in a bit.
[20:06] <minimal> themachine: sounds like a bug
[20:08] <blackboxsw> minimal: from the looks of things regarding the nameserver issue on Thursday. netplan code doesn't seem to track any global nameservers at all unless they live under a specific dns_nameserver key within each interface. I'm trying to dig through history of the global nameserver discussion related to this to see if a bug due to accidental omission or intentional
[20:11] <minimal> blackboxsw: I'd expect "global" nameservers to always work, it's the per-interface specification that I wouldn't be sure that all distros support
[20:12] <blackboxsw> I mean a dns_nameserver under each subnet https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/net/netplan.py#L122-L123. checking my facts/expectations now.
[20:25] <themachine> minimal: well at least I'm not crazy then
[20:29] <blackboxsw> minimal: found the behavior with nameservers being ignored https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/net/netplan.py#L421-L422 so we don't apply the global DNS if a subnet already has a specific nameserver documented, or if it doesn't have a defined address. For dhcp* type it doesn't make sense.
[20:29] <minimal> themachine: you're using Debian Stable which has quite an old version of cloud-init. Is Centos Stream 8 using a more modern version?
[20:30] <minimal> blackboxsw: right, as for DHCP you'd expect a DHCP option in the response to specify DNS servers?
[20:32] <blackboxsw> minimal: in dhcp type we'd expect DHCP to give DNS. I misread the subnet type in the prior bug, it was ipv6_slaac. Which I think doesn't support DNS directives??? If that's the case, then we need to permit global "nameservers" in these type of subnets
[20:33] <themachine> centos-stream8 has 21.1-11
[20:34] <minimal> themachine: a bit more recent
[20:34] <minimal> blackboxsw: for IPv6 RA can specify DNS servers
[20:34] <themachine> The same behavior is present when I do this exact thing. Using "mac_address:" matching results in the interface being renamed to my supplied "name:" but no network config is written
[20:36] <themachine> and centos-stream9 has 22.1-3
[20:36] <minimal> blackboxsw: DHCPv6 can also indicate DNS servers
[20:36] <minimal> blackboxsw: I don't think SLAAC can indicate DNS servers
[20:38] <blackboxsw> I was admittedly peeking over this link FWIW  https://www.networkacademy.io/ccna/ipv6/stateless-dhcpv6
[20:41] <blackboxsw> minimal: so doesn't the then imply that we don't want to apply global nameservers to ipv6_slaac type devices? I'll open the bug with context just so we can close out historically with the decision there related to iandk's initial IRC query https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/06/30/%23cloud-init.html
[20:46] <blackboxsw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1980877 for what it's worth
[20:48] <minimal> blackboxsw: IPv6 is so complicated that I'm not sure what I'm really suggesting ;-)
[20:49] <minimal> but from a general IPv4/IPv6 perspective I would have assumed that DNS would be set up globally unless there are multiple interfaces or that network-config specifies interface-specific DNS settings
[21:00] <blackboxsw> right, but who knows with complexity introduced by security minded-network folks and whether global DNS should apply as default behavior for subnet types.  I think for this specific case, the version: 1 config could present a specific dns_nameservers: in the slaac subnet definition. https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1980877/comments/1
[21:01] <blackboxsw> marking it low priority as there is a workaround in network-config version 1 that makes this "work", although maybe not ideal
[21:10] <minimal> blackboxsw: not c-i specific but in the past on Unix/Linux in general I put DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf, I've never specified them in a interface-specific location
[21:13] <minimal> in a multi-interface machine (whether IPv4/v6/or mixed) a DNS name would be resolved to an IP address and then that address would be used to make a routing decision as to which interface to send traffic via


[00:05] <josh-l> beta has been released for ubuntu... kubuntu?
[00:05] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:06] <Riddell> oh I was thinking we'd wait a week
[00:06] <Riddell> no need to hurry really
[00:07] <josh-l> for me there is
[00:08] <Riddell> but the power trip is to much to resist!  we can play with people's minds!
[00:10] <josh-l> oh it is out
[00:10] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:10] <Riddell> what?!  who let it out without my authorisation!  it'll be the gallows when I find out!
[00:10] <blizzz> no cds any longer?
[00:10] <claydoh> patience grasshoppers ;)
[00:11] <blizzz> getting old, gotta sleep ;)
[00:11] <Riddell> CDs?  this is the 20th century!  we don't want people downloading it in less than a day,  blu-ray only
[00:11] <lex79> LoL
[00:11] <lex79> :)
[00:12] <claydoh> cd? whats  that I use those newfangled usb drive thingies
[00:12] <josh-l> noone seeding :(
[00:12] <blizzz> small iso for a small usb stick
[00:15] <blizzz> in this moment i discovered i put the pre beta daily on a red hat branded usb stick
[00:15] <claydoh> small bug after updating from 8.10
[00:15] <josh-l> claydoh, what
[00:15] <claydoh> no dont-zap option in the display config
[00:15] <claydoh> as I said, small :)
[00:15] <Riddell> I have that
[00:16] <josh-l> seeders needed
[00:16] <claydoh> josh-l:  go for it :)
[00:16] <josh-l> claydoh, have to download it first... gonna take 2hours from http
[00:18] <claydoh> josh-l: takes me longer than that on my speed (for dvd image)
[00:18] <josh-l> yeah wish the cd was out
[00:19] <josh-l> it might be before i finish downloading dvd
[00:20] <josh-l> 0 seeders for 64bit
[00:21] <cernui> jos-l:for the beta iso?
[00:22] <josh-l> cernui, yeah
[00:23] <blizzz> gn8
[00:23] <josh-l> night
[00:30] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-beta  it's out!
[00:31] <claydoh> Riddell: what package should i report the missing dontzap ?
[00:31] <claydoh> Riddell: the upgrade does not install the package 'dontzap'
[00:32] <claydoh> but what sould pull it in?
[00:33] <claydoh> s/sould/should
[00:33] <Riddell> it's brought in by kdebase-workspace-bin
[00:33] <Riddell> if it's not installed that's mysterious, I guess file a bug on update-manager
[00:33] <claydoh> thanks, will do
[00:34] <cernui> What's the original content of the kubuntu bottle?
[00:35] <Riddell> vintage Irn Bru
[00:37] <claydoh> Riddell: nice bottle
[00:38] <claydoh> I put a kubuntu sticker (thanks, btw) on my mp3 plaer, someone asked me what brand "kubuntu" was
[00:39] <LjL> Riddell: i put that in the #ubuntu+1 topic, hope you don't mind.
[00:40] <claydoh> so I have one less cd to pass out to folks :)
[00:40] <Riddell> LjL: super
[00:44] <Riddell> amd64 dvd the surprise lead torrent so far
[00:45] <vorian> amd64 ftw
[00:45] <Riddell> we don't even link to the DVDs
[00:45] <vorian> ah, missed the dvd part
[00:58] <vorian> Riddell: it seems there is a new addition in the 4.2.2 release? oxygen-icons
[01:00] <vorian> will we be able to slip it in universe perhaps?
[01:02] <nixternal> it is nice having a mirror 5 miles from your house :)
[01:03] <vorian> dude, how can you ever see yourself?
[01:03] <nixternal> har har
[01:04] <vorian> which mirror is in chicago?
[01:05] <nixternal> anl.gov
[01:07] <nixternal> the server it is running on I helped build during a LUG meeting
[01:08] <nixternal> i got a free Sun Fire X4200 out of the deal :)
[01:19] <josh-l> whats your download rates from torrent right now?
[01:22] <cernui> I'm more or less 3M full speed (+/- 350 kB/s)
[01:22] <josh-l> cernui, weird, mine is slow i usually get high speeds
[01:26] <cernui> Sorry, looked at the wrong file
[01:26] <cernui> The torrent file is not announced in the download page as I see
[01:27] <cernui> I used the right torrent and I'm having also good speed, maybe you have some ports closed
[02:01] <nixternal> build kubuntu-docs now, will upload after testing...let the translations begin!
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:10] <Gon> Hi
[02:10] <Gon> I'm testing 9.04 beta un virtualbox...
[02:10] <Gon> Quassel doesn't connect D:
[02:45] <nixternal> A R G H ! ! ! !
[02:46] <dtchen> ?
[02:47] <nixternal> /usr/share/kde* what a mess
[02:49] <nixternal> I am seeing some crazy strangeness with docs
[02:49] <nixternal> I open up the doc in konqueror and khelpcenter by navigating to it using absolute path, works great
[02:49] <nixternal> as soon as I use help:/kubuntu/foo it looks nasty
[02:50] <nixternal> jaunty+1, our docs will use 100% the same stuff kde docs does...maintaining our own xslt and crap is insane, and it is so old
[02:51]  * a|wen_ supposes our docs is like mingling kde3 stuff into kde4...
[02:53] <nixternal> nah, our docs were originally created as part of the Ubuntu Documentation Project...and lets just say there are just some things not worth sharing
[02:55] <a|wen_> he
[03:02] <josh-l> what package installs koffice2... koffice? it's got some odd dependency issues, and wants to remove a lot of packages
[03:13] <a|wen_> josh-l: which ubuntu version?
[03:15] <josh-l> a|wen_: jaunty
[03:16] <a|wen_> josh-l: koffice-kde4 should be the one
[03:17] <josh-l> ok thanks a|wen_
[03:23] <vorian> Sput: just an idea - it would be nice if I could see snotes
[03:23] <vorian> I get a notice from a server, and there is no message in the window
[03:23] <vorian> I do get the message via notification though
[03:25] <josh-l> eh still dont like konqueror as a web browser
[03:26] <a|wen_> josh-l: no problem here ... do you only have the official repos enabled, or does it try to install it from a ppa or something?
[03:26] <josh-l> oh awesome... firefox tabs are fixed
[03:26] <josh-l> a|wen_: what konqueror?
[03:26] <vorian> Sput: never mind
[03:27] <vorian> Sput: there is a weird thing that happens though, i'll take a screenshot for you
[03:27] <a|wen_> josh-l: forget about it ... thought it tried to remove konqueror when you installed koffice-kde4
[03:27] <josh-l> oh no
[03:28]  * a|wen_ just got up, and is still not fully awake
[05:39] <maco> er....has anyone seen kontact loop on checking mails? it just checked the same account constantly for a few minutes. and auto-check is disabled on that account
[07:08] <nixternal> maco: gmail?
[07:09] <maco> no
[07:09] <maco> that one was for the server at work
[07:09] <nixternal> I have witnessed a similar issue with gmail
[07:10] <nixternal> 2am already...jeesh
[07:10] <maco> 3 here ;)
[07:12] <nixternal> another bug bites the dust
[07:12] <nixternal> w00t, fixed about 5 bugs tonight...think that is it
[07:12] <nixternal> though they won't truly be fixed until someone approves the uploads
[07:12] <nixternal> come on archive admins, do your magic
[07:19] <freinhard> Riddell: updated scpk patch http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/138771/
[09:59] <allee> Shouldn't Warning in Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback also mention the repaint problems with qt4.5 (only?) with intel gfx  cards?
[09:59] <Riddell> allee: I had repaint problems before qt 4.5
[09:59] <Riddell> allee: but go for it
[10:03] <a|wen> allee: are you on intel with repaint problems?
[10:05] <allee> a|wen: yes, intel on Dell D630, 830 and E6500.   Only qt apps affected, well, otherway round firefox does not show the problem ;)
[10:06] <a|wen> allee: can i have you test changing to XAA? Add Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" to the Device section in xorg.conf
[10:06] <freinhard> same here, i've been unsing UXA recently (no more garbage on the screen). but Xorg freezes quite often (at least twice a day...)
[10:08] <allee> a|wen: yes,  fwiw a screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html
[10:09] <a|wen> neat ... more garbage but smaller areas compared to the issues i had
[10:14] <a|wen> freinhard: changing away from EXA fixed all repaint issues for me ... could look like qt4.5 and EXA stepping on each others feet
[10:18] <freinhard> a|wen: that's a matter of fact.
[10:19] <a|wen> and can they agree who needs fixing?
[10:19] <freinhard> i guess intel devs are using gnome and qt devs are using nvidia, so nobody cares ;)
[10:22] <allee> a|wen: there are sometimes bigger too. I just wanted to show several  corrupted apps
[10:22] <freinhard> a|wen: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE3MQ
[10:23]  * a|wen uses ati ... nobody cares about that one it seems
[10:24] <freinhard> got no problems with my hd4670 except for missing monitor hotplugging
[10:26] <a|wen> freinhard: i had serious corruptions with EXA ... and a too big virtual screen size (no problem in intrepid) made x.org cry
[10:32] <allee> a|wen: using XAA makes xserver crash with chipset GM45  (Dell Latitude E6500)
[10:32] <a|wen> allee: oh well, then that is not the solution for you ... you might want to look at UXA as freinhard suggests
[10:33] <allee> :)
[10:36] <freinhard> allee: as long as you don't use effects you might not get a X.org crash. using less effects increased the work-time/reboot ratio ;)
[10:37] <allee> a|wen: UXA turn screen to solid black.  vt 1 - vt 6 are solid black too or xserver lock up system :(   Trying harder ...
[10:37]  * allee presses power button :(
[10:38]  * a|wen is sorry for allee :(
[10:39] <freinhard> allee: use sysrq!
[10:40] <freinhard> allee: VT switching does not work for UXA!
[10:43] <a|wen> oh wonderful
[10:45] <Riddell> works here
[10:47] <allee> freeflying: did a remote login before starting UXA.  But UXA -> black screen even with running xfailsafe
[10:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: Don't know what to do about it, sorry. You'll have to bug Ng about it,... hopefully I'll be back tonight with better wireless :)
[10:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: he fixed it
[10:53] <allee> a|wen, freeflying: you have bug no for?    Suggestion for wiki beta 'Warning'   Qt 4.5 shows repaint bugs with some but not all Intel Gfx  Chips  (Bug # here)
[10:53] <EagleScreen> hello
[10:55] <allee> Ah, reminds be:  kwin turn of  composite after resume (with G965 and GM45 intel chipset)   But that not worth another 'Warning' IMHO
[10:55] <EagleScreen> what application should have more priority opening a .deb package in Kubuntu 9.04? currently in my desktop kpackagekit has more priority than gdebi-kde
[10:56] <davmor2> Riddell: I like the irn-brw Kubuntu bottle :D
[11:11] <a|wen> allee: i have no bug ... i'm hit by the ati one instead
[11:25] <agateau> Riddell: ScottK: I am push a fix for bug #349066 atm, but it's a bit ugly: it adds a script to /usr/env/ (a standard dir read by startkde)
[11:25] <agateau> *pushing
[11:30] <freinhard> seele: found your pdf for system-config-printer-kde. did you consider a way how to display conflicts in printers options? gnome's system-config-printer shows a icon next to that option causing the conflict with the message in the tooltip and a popup if you click on it.
[11:39] <Riddell> freinhard: I never worked out why there would be conflicts
[11:41] <freinhard> Riddell: in case you have a printer that supports duplex printing, enable duplex, set 2-sided printing to anything but off, save, disable duplex => conflict
[11:42] <freinhard> Riddell: got that on a hp 2200 and without the patch it gives some ugly output on commandline ;)
[11:44] <Riddell> mm, right
[11:51] <freinhard> Riddell: btw, here's the reminder to rebuild the package after beta ;)
[11:52] <Riddell> freinhard: it's top of my list today, unfortunately I've been battling european train websites
[12:12] <seele> freinhard: i thought 2-sided printing is duplex.. why would there be two options to first enable 2-sided printing and then configure it?
[12:12] <Riddell> freinhard: what shall I put as commit message for your patch?
[12:16] <davmor2> seele: isn't there a difference.  I one not that it prints pages 1 on the front then 2 and repeats for the amount of copies you have then print pages 3 and 4.  And the other prints 1234 then 1234 until all copies are done
[12:17] <freinhard> Riddell: something like "do not acces not existing gui items" for btnConflict and "fix wrong signal connection for changed checkboxes"
[12:18] <davmor2> seele: I think duplex is the latter so you don't need to sort through them in order to clip them together
[12:19] <freinhard> seele: yes duplex is 2-sided printing, i guess that's because the printer options are derived 1:1 from the printers PPD file
[12:22] <seele> davmor2: multiple sides to a side is different from printing on both sides
[12:23] <seele> freinhard: can we capture some of those redundant options and treat them a certain way instead of just diplaying what is in the ppd file?
[12:25] <freinhard> seele: well i'd disable the dropdown as long as the duplex checkbox is not checked. got to dig a bit deeper into the scpk code, no idea how to do that yet ;)
[12:26] <seele> freinhard: couldnt it be done the other way around too? if 2 sided is set to no, that's the same as disabling the duplex option
[12:26] <seele> the fact that there are two options which almost do the same is confusing
[12:26] <seele> reducing it to one would be optimarl
[12:29] <Riddell> freinhard: committed and uploaded, thanks
[12:32] <freinhard> Riddell: yw!
[12:34] <Riddell> freinhard: as you'll have noticed there's plenty other bits with s-c-p-k to be fixed up before release, feel free to have a go at them :)
[12:37] <jtechidna> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main python2.6 2.6.1-1ubuntu5
[12:37] <jtechidna>   403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:37] <jtechidna> wtf? 403?
[12:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You don't want that one.
[12:38] <ScottK> That's to keep more systems from getting broken until they can get a fix uploaded.
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, well it sure breaks pbuilder
[12:39] <ScottK> More importantly it breaks update-manager.
[12:39] <ScottK> If you get the update that is.
[12:39]  * JontheEchidna nods
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> Could I get sponsorship for bug 326648?
[12:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: onto it
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> There's also bug 346813, it seems that both gtk2-engines-qtcurve and kde-style-qtcurve are in main now...
[12:42]  * JontheEchidna has used the QtCurves since he posted the packages on the bug for testing
[12:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: why is kde-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig being removed?
[12:44] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> Qt can use KDE styles now, and the way we were separating it was a real hack
[12:45] <Riddell> KDE styles?  there's only ever been Qt styles
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> if that's the case, then it probably shouldn't have been split the way it was in the first place
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> Oh, another reason was that it would have been nearly impossible to split out the kwin style if we didn't switch to cdbs/away from the hack
[12:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so there's no /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/qtcurve.so any more?
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> bug 319331 too unless you're already sick of sponsoring my uploads :D
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Right
[12:50] <Riddell> seems like more then a bugfix release this
[12:50] <Riddell> uploaded anyhoo
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[12:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: amarok uploaded
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Thanks a lot, that's all that I needed sponsored (that I can remember :P)
[12:59]  * JontheEchidna will try going for core-dev next cycle
[13:04] <vorian> Riddell: ping
[13:04] <Riddell> vorian: if you're quick
[13:04] <vorian> Riddell: my serer is down - i hope you have pulled tarballs :/
[13:05] <vorian> Riddell: if not, i'll figure something else out
[13:05] <Riddell> vorian: can get them from ktown
[13:05] <Riddell> but the oxygen-icons thing is a mess
[13:06] <vorian> ah...
[13:06] <vorian> Riddell: i can get them, I don't have a place to stash them for everyone else to help with
[13:08] <Riddell> vorian: I'm out for an hour, will sort something out when I get back
[13:08] <vorian> Riddell: ok
[13:08] <vorian> Riddell: we already had some stuff started last night :)
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: just curious, the new oxygen tarball is a mess in what way?
[13:16]  * vorian has not liked this week very much at all
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> ~order tea, earl grey, hot for vorian
[13:17]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain vorian.
[13:22] <Sput> !order tea, Shogun
[13:22] <Sput> ~order tea, Shogun
[13:22]  * kubotu slides tea, shogun down the bar to Sput
[13:26] <ScottK> I am supposed to have an icon that tells me there are updates in Jaunty, right?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, update-notifier-kde
[13:27] <ScottK> Hmmm.  60 updates. No icon.
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> python-qt4-dbus could be busted and update-notifier-kde could be crashing
[13:27] <ScottK> That's it.
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> reinstalling python-qt4-dbus seems to fix it, but that's a workaround
[13:39] <ScottK> It's a|wen's Bug #348704 that describes the problem.
[13:40] <ScottK> Urgh.  And doko offline too.
[13:56] <ScottK> OK.  I'm officially confused.
[13:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Unless you can figure out ^^^ I think we need to bring it up at the release team meeting today (which I'll be able to attend after all).
[14:16] <ScottK> OK.  ^^^ is on the release team's radar
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet
[14:26] <agateau> (oups, double post)
[14:26]  * agateau is sleepy
[14:31] <ScottK> agateau: I added a k-d-s task to the bug.
[14:32]  * agateau needs to figure out what is a task for a bug :)
[14:36] <ScottK> :-)
[14:37] <ScottK> If you look at the bug now, you'll see it affects both ubuntu-release-notes and Ubuntu's kubuntu-default-settings.
[14:37] <vital> I'm running jaunty beta and trying to upgrade it (apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade) it say that three python deb's are missing.. is that known already or should I file a bugreport?
[14:38] <ScottK> vital: Known.  There was a bad Python upload that broke a lot of stuff, so they blocked it until the fix gets out.
[14:39] <ScottK> It's been publishes and so should be on a mirror near you soonish.
[14:39] <ScottK> publishes/published.
[14:39] <vital> ScottK, okay, thanks.
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> fwiw I'm just getting the fixed update
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> your results may vary (tm)
[14:39] <vital> :)
[15:22] <Quintasan> nixternal: ping
[15:23] <Riddell> ScottK: that python-qt4-dbus upgrade bug is mysterious and important
[15:24] <ScottK> Riddell: At the release meeting mvo got tagged to look into it.
[15:24] <ScottK> Anyone else get double notifications from the NM widget?
[15:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get yours from the US mirror or straight from the source?
[15:26] <nixternal> Quintasan: pong
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: archive.ubuntu.com, which I suppose is the US mirror
[15:27] <Quintasan> nixternal: I'm sure all kubuntu-docs string have translation suggestions :P
[15:27] <Quintasan> nixternal: strings*
[15:28] <nixternal> I have no idea what that means to be honest :)
[15:28]  * Quintasan thinks he screwd something
[15:33] <a|wen> ScottK: the python-qt4-dbus thing could be due to some pycentral foo ... i suspect you've read the debian-python mail-list about it; and as i understand it there've been some recent bug fixes to pycentral after lenny release
[15:33] <Quintasan> grrr, whats with
[15:35] <ScottK> a|wen: Could be.  I'm glad it got punted to someone with more in depth knowledge than me.
[15:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No, that's the Canonical data center.
[15:37] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah ... is very strange, so let's hope they figure it out
[15:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Are there any other ways I can access diffs from kde websvn? I wanted to check how many files are changed to make Kopete notifications stack.
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> other ways than what way?
[15:41] <Quintasan> WebSVN is broken right now. I usually get diffs from there :/
[15:41]  * JontheEchidna is browsing websvn as we speak
[15:41] <Quintasan> lol?
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> srsly
[15:42]  * JontheEchidna sees if he can get a diff
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> or I could just email you the files
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> and you could make your own diff?
[15:43] <Quintasan> Hmm I guess I can try :)
[15:44] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: you have my email address?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> I think you emailed me a patch once, so I should
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: these will all go in kdelibs/plasma, with the exception of the _p.h files which go in kdelibs/plasma/private
[15:49] <freinhard> Quintasan: did you try the reviewboard?
[15:50] <freinhard> Quintasan: should be the easiest way to find out what changed...
[15:50] <freinhard> http://reviewboard.kde.org/groups/kopete/
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't be a kopete change, but rather a plasma change
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> notifications/kio jobs are now groupable in general
[15:55] <freinhard> http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/242/
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, I guess we were thinking about two different features :)
[16:00] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks for files
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: might not have been what you were looking for
[16:00] <Quintasan> freinhard: also thanks, this will be helpful :3
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> freinhard's link may be more helpful in the end
[16:01] <Quintasan> hmm that is what I was talking about :P
[16:01] <Quintasan> It's too late now to get it included?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> definitely
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> we have freezes up the arse now
[16:03]  * a|wen suspects JontheEchidna hit the wrong button
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> ?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe konversation-kde4's topic stuff is busted
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> wow, that sure messed things up
[16:03] <freinhard> beta in less than 24 hours? hmm JontheEchidna share your timemachine with us! ;)
[16:04] <a|wen> :)
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> That's what I meant
[16:05] <a|wen> much better, he
[16:17] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: If the patch creates a file x.cfg, should I do quilt add x.cfg?
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> quilt add, then place the file where it should be
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> then it will be picked up in quilt refresh along with everything else
[16:18] <Quintasan> ok, thanks
[16:19] <a|wen> has anybody else noticed, that a crashing app doesn't bring up a crash/backtrace dialog?
[16:20] <Riddell> a|wen: it ought to put it's stuff in /var/crash and bring up apport
[16:21] <a|wen> it puts the stuff in /var/crash but nothing pops up
[16:21] <ScottK> a|wen: Intrepid or Jaunty?
[16:21] <josh-l> surprised, installed beta last night, and already 60+ upgrades?
[16:22] <a|wen> jaunty
[16:22] <ScottK> OK.
[16:22] <ScottK> josh-l: That's all the stuff that couldn't be accepted during the beta freeze.
[16:22] <josh-l> ohhh
[16:22] <a|wen> i've had kontact and gwenview crash until now with no pop-ups so seem consistent
[16:22] <josh-l> scott_ev: should i have done a dist-upgrade instead of the simple upgrade i did?
[16:23] <scott_ev> not necessarily
[16:24] <scott_ev> I've had good success with both
[16:24] <rickspencer3> Riddell: ScottK JontheEchidna etc...
[16:24] <rickspencer3> how do you all feel about the Beta so far?
[16:25] <josh-l> scott_ev: I was going to do a dist-upgrade but aptitude showed some issues, so i just quit and did a regular upgrade and it started with out problems...
[16:25] <ScottK> I'm having some unfortunate window painting problems I didn't have with 4.2.0 on Intrepid (with Qt4.4) and my wireless is still flaky (so upgrading didn't fix my kernel problems).
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> rickspencer3: pretty good
[16:26] <ScottK> I'm still on my first boot since the upgrade, so I have hopes the the window painting stuff will pass.  I've seen such before.
[16:27] <Quintasan> It becomes unresponsive after some hours, restarting X helps :3
[16:27] <ScottK> For good news, I had zero upgrade problems.  That's important.
[16:27] <ScottK> I did file some bugs and the important ones are being addressed.
[16:27] <rickspencer3> It looks like Intel+X is shaping up to be a bit of a problem child for Jaunty, are you guys seeing that in Ubuntu as well?
[16:27]  * ScottK waves to agateau.
[16:27] <rickspencer3> I mean in Kubuntu :P
[16:27] <ScottK> It should be the same.
[16:28] <Riddell> intel+X+Qt seems to be a paticular problem
[16:28] <ScottK> i865 at least starts now.
[16:28] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:28]  * ScottK did not know that.
[16:28] <rickspencer3> ScottK: yeah, but I was wondering what you're hearing from the Kubuntu user community
[16:28]  * Quintasan is sometimes happy about having an ATi card
[16:28] <rickspencer3> the 8xx chipsets work for some people, not others
[16:28] <a|wen> rickspencer3: i've heard lots of complains about intel and repaint problems
[16:29]  * ScottK looks around at his 100% Intel (FOSS friendly, right) and despairs a bit.
[16:29] <rickspencer3> ScottK: exactly
[16:29] <freinhard> got a i855, shows the same video garbage with EXA as my i915
[16:30] <rickspencer3> I chose a particular Dell machine because I wanted all FOSS drivers, and look what it got me :)
[16:30] <ScottK> Yep.
[16:30] <rickspencer3> actually, it's not that bad a of a situation on the newer Intel chips
[16:30] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback  not much feedback yet
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna cowers behind his ancient proprietary nvidia
[16:30]  * ScottK notices he's typing on a Dell laptop...
[16:31] <rickspencer3> other than that (and another X bug related to user switching) Ubuntu seems to be shaping up very nicely for Jaunty
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> my card has had repainting problems since 4.0 in konsole, the add widgets dialog, etc, but overal enOK
[16:31] <ScottK> rickspencer3: My painting problems are on 945GM/GMS
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> wtf, my keyboard is dropping keys under high cpu load
[16:31] <rickspencer3> ScottK: is that the indirect direct rendering problem?
[16:31] <a|wen> rickspencer3: someone mentioned that the intel chipsets on Dell D630, 830 and E6500 was hit
[16:31] <rickspencer3> does uxa fix it?
[16:31]  * ScottK has no idea.
[16:32]  * ScottK should try it.
[16:32]  * ScottK just upgraded yesterday
[16:32] <rickspencer3> uxa is nifty, and faster, but if you have a multi-user machine, it doesn't seem to work so well
[16:32] <rickspencer3> switching users seems problematic
[16:32] <a|wen> rickspencer3: it does ... for those chipsets where it works
[16:33] <a|wen> rickspencer3: i heard that vt switching didn't work at all on UXA
[16:33] <rickspencer3> yeah, uxa is close, but not quite ready for prime time, afict
[16:33] <a|wen> rickspencer3: got a screenshot earlier from one with the problem http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html
[16:33] <rickspencer3> however, it's super easy to turn on (one line xorg.conf)
[16:33] <rickspencer3> so if it work for you, you can do it
[16:34] <rickspencer3> that looks pretty bad
[16:34] <rickspencer3> a|wen: does that happen when you move windows around?
[16:34] <a|wen> rickspencer3: if you have older ati chipsets there can be problems as well ... switching to XAA in that case might fix it
[16:35] <josh-l> why would a dist-upgrade have install issues, right now, but an upgrade be ok?
[16:35] <a|wen> rickspencer3: i'm running ati ... but they just appeared; no need to move anything around
[16:35] <rickspencer3> weird
[16:35] <ScottK> Because upgrad just upgrades existing packages, but dist-upgrade will install new ones.
[16:36] <josh-l> ScottK: do I need to do the dist-upgrade on the beta right now? or is the upgrade enough?
[16:36] <ScottK> If you upgrade and it says no packages are held back, you're fine.
[16:37] <a|wen> rickspencer3: very weird ... you can have ~20-25% of the screen like that on some occasions; is close to unusable
[16:37] <josh-l> ScottK: said one package not to be upgraded... should I run the dist-upgrade when  upgrade finishes?
[16:37] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:37] <josh-l> ok thanks ScottK
[16:38] <rickspencer3> a|wen: is there a bug # for that?
[16:38] <josh-l> did anyone else get a strange looking boot splash screen after installing beta?
[16:39] <a|wen> rickspencer3: started looking for a bug-number for the ati one, but forgot about it again ... i'll see if i can find something
[16:40] <a|wen> rickspencer3: the ati one is bug 338669
[16:41] <josh-l> I still got the same shutdown issues I had before (running on a dell lalptop) shutdown just stops at "*system will now halt" screen, though reboot now works
[16:42] <rickspencer3> a|wen: I asked bryce to take a look
[16:42] <rickspencer3> if you have any more info, feel free to attach it to the bug
[16:43] <a|wen> rickspencer3: thanks ... sadly not; only know that changing from EXA to XAA fixes everything for me as well
[16:44] <josh-l> brb rebooting
[16:45] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Good call.  The after 30 seconds review is uxa seems MUCH crisper here and no repaint issues.
[16:46] <rickspencer3> ScottK: great
[16:46] <rickspencer3> however, in Ubuntu anyway, there are some stability issues, especially wrt user switching
[16:48] <rickspencer3> so we can't turn on uxa by default until Karmic :(
[16:48] <rickspencer3> are you guys getting lots of bug reports, in general?
[16:48] <smarter> ScottK: testing uxa?
[16:48] <ScottK> smarter: Yes.
[16:48] <smarter> any problem with desktop effects/firefox scrolling/anything? :)
[16:48] <ScottK> Not so far.
[16:49] <ScottK> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03)
[16:49] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:51] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Assuming this proves to be stable, uxa resolves my X related grumbles about Jaunty.
[16:52] <Riddell> UXA working perfectly for me
[16:53] <smarter> ScottK: what kind of problems did you have with exa/jaunty?
[16:53] <ScottK> Slow, window redraws missing, just all sorts of pain except not at all crashy.
[16:54]  * ScottK wonders if we can add an 'enable uxa' GUI like we did for dontzap?
[16:55] <smarter> bad idea imho
[16:55] <smarter> if $user isn't experienced enough to find out how to enable it, he'd better not try it
[16:55] <ScottK> Probably.
[16:55] <smarter> would be interesting if you tested some 3D games
[16:56] <ScottK> I'm just really impressed how much faster it is.
[16:56]  * ScottK has no 3D games.
[16:56] <smarter> apt-get them :)
[16:56]  * ScottK was actually supposed to do some $WORK today.
[16:57] <smarter> oh, that might conflict then :p
[16:58] <ScottK> BTW, I didn't get dontzap installed on upgrade.  I thought that was supposed to come with kubuntu-desktop?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> ScottK: I thought Alberto added it as a checkbox in some control panel somewhere in Kubuntu?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> so you don't need don't zap, as it's a Kubuntu setting
[16:59] <smarter> rickspencer3: iirc, the systemsettings checkbox uses dontzap internally
[17:00] <ScottK> yes.
[17:00] <smarter> ScottK: kdebase-workspace-bin recommends dontzap
[17:00] <smarter> that's all
[17:00] <Riddell> there's a bug filed on update-manager for that I believe
[17:00] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[17:06] <josh-l> hey folks, i got issues, clean beta install... upgraded... still I get stuck on one of two screens when shutting down, or rebooting: "*system will now halt" or when rebooting "*styem will now restart"
[17:06] <josh-l> help?
[17:06] <smarter> josh-l: looks kernel related, can't help more unfortunately
[17:07] <ScottK> josh-l: How old is the laptop?
[17:07] <smarter> try googling a bit, there's a few commands you can try to add to grub to workaround that
[17:07] <smarter> stuff like noapic acpi=off
[17:07] <josh-l> ScottK: not old, 2008
[17:08] <ScottK> OK.  What smarter says then.
[17:08] <josh-l> i dont really want to turn off my acpi though
[17:08] <ScottK> It's almost certainly kernel related, so nothing we could help with here.
[17:09] <josh-l> hrmm ok
[17:09] <josh-l> would it be a horrible idea to downgrade the kernel?
[17:09] <smarter> shouldn't break anything in particular
[17:09] <smarter> you could try with a more recent kernel too
[17:10] <josh-l> smarter: is there anything in the repos more recent?
[17:10] <smarter> the ubuntu kernel team provides .deb of 2.6.29 in a separate repo
[17:10] <smarter> let me find that...
[17:10] <josh-l> thanks
[17:10] <josh-l> i mean to be honest i dont even reboot, or shutdown that often :)
[17:10] <josh-l> i guess i could live with it for the time being
[17:11] <smarter> josh-l: here it is http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.29/
[17:11] <josh-l> thanks smarter
[17:11] <smarter> trying an older kernel would be interesting too, to see if it's a regression
[17:11] <josh-l> could I even use an older kernel if im using ext4?
[17:14] <smarter> hmm, that'd be more problematic
[17:14] <josh-l> is it necessarily all that bad to ctrl+alt+delete out of the "*system will now halt" or "system will now restart" screens? (for the time being until its fixed)
[17:14] <smarter> as nothing should be running at the time you see that message it should be ok I guess
[17:15] <josh-l> smarter: i could reinstall with ext3, and then downgrade kernel if you think thats a good idea?
[17:15] <smarter> josh-l: if you really have time to lose you could do that yes
[17:15] <josh-l> upgradings to 2.6.29 wont matter right?
[17:15] <josh-l> for ext4
[17:15] <smarter> yup
[17:15] <josh-l> it will matter?
[17:16] <smarter> no it won't :)
[17:16] <josh-l> oh ok :)
[17:16] <smarter> using 2.6.29 with ext4 here, no particular problem
[17:16] <josh-l> i'll try that before reinstalling using ext3 then
[17:16] <Lure> Riddell: no bug 347587 with UXA?
[17:17] <josh-l> smarter: one last thing, do I need to add that to sources.lst (the 2.6.29 url you gave me)?
[17:17] <Riddell> Lure: mm, now you come to mention it, I do get that
[17:17] <smarter> josh-l: it's not a deb repository
[17:18] <smarter> josh-l: you have to manually download and install the .debs
[17:18] <josh-l> oh so no :) ok
[17:18] <Lure> Riddell: please add your HW info to bug
[17:18] <smarter> josh-l: think you'll be able to find what packages to install and what not to install? :)
[17:18] <josh-l> smarter: uh yea :P
[17:19] <Lure> Riddell: but otherwise UXA is great - nop redraw problems like bug 279727
[17:20] <Riddell> done
[17:25] <Lure> Riddell: thanks - I am still trying to get upstream attention, as they consider it fixed
[17:29]  * Riddell hugs nixternal for docs getting uploaded
[17:35] <josh-l> smarter: fixed all problems with the kernel upgrade!!
[17:35] <smarter> great
[17:36] <josh-l> is there a repo I can add somehow that will have kernels that up to date?
[17:36] <smarter> don't think so
[17:36] <smarter> you usually don't want to upgrade to every beta kernel thought :)
[17:36] <smarter> josh-l: fill a bug report with your laptop model and indicating that using 2.6.29 fixed the problem
[17:36] <smarter> the fix may be backportable
[17:36] <josh-l> smarter: right and I probably wont need to upgrade before full jaunty release anyways
[17:36] <josh-l> ok
[17:37] <seele> yay beta time.. back to being useful
[17:37] <josh-l> smarter: I havent filled out a bug report in years... literaly, where ?
[17:37] <smarter> josh-l: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[17:38] <josh-l> thanks
[17:40] <Riddell> ooh, a|wen on behind motu
[17:41] <a|wen> :)
[17:42] <josh-l> smarter: shall i add that i found the bug in the 2.6.28 linux-image package?
[17:43] <Riddell> a|wen: where's the photo taken?
[17:43] <smarter> josh-l: say you're using up to date jaunty, they'll know what kernel this is
[17:43] <a|wen> Riddell: at the Angkor Wat area in Cambodia ... was there last weekend
[17:46] <smarter> josh-l: output of dpkg -l|grep linux-image might be useful to clarify things
[17:46] <nixternal> ok, kplayer is severely broken on the FTBFS side...more than likely do to it not supporting KDE 4.2...rkward is also broken and is by far an annoying package...these are the only 2 packages left that install docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4 and they both are FTBFS
[17:46] <josh-l> okay ill add that smarter
[17:46] <nixternal> so if anyone wants a challenge, rkward and kplayer is it :)
[17:47]  * a|wen already gave up on kplayer
[17:47] <nixternal> An eerie image of a figure at a Scottish castle has got ghost experts spooked. The scary shot was unearthed during the biggest ever investigation into photographic evidence of ghosts.
[17:47] <nixternal> Riddell: you playing with the photographers at the Tantallon Castle?
[17:48] <josh-l> smarter: is this alright? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/349778
[17:48] <nixternal> http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00765/tantallon-ghost_280_765667a.jpg
[17:49] <smarter> josh-l: looks good, thought the bug title could be a little more informative
[17:50] <josh-l> smarter: can i change after?
[17:50] <smarter> josh-l: yup, there's a button to edit
[17:50] <smarter> josh-l: also, interesting, you're running the inspiron 1525 which should be fully supported on Ubuntu by Dell
[17:50] <josh-l> smarter: exactly
[17:51] <smarter> that should be enough to convince someone to look at it:)
[17:51] <Riddell> nixternal: aye, I take all the energy created by my frustration at qt4-x11 taking yonks to build and channel it at their cameras
[17:51] <josh-l> smarter: give me a better title
[17:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:52] <smarter> something like "[jaunty] Inspiron 1525 get stucks on "System will now halt", works with 2.6.29"
[17:52] <josh-l> yeah that is better
[17:52] <josh-l> :)
[17:59] <josh-l> smarter: title fixed
[18:01] <smarter> looks good.
[18:40] <neversfelde> ist it possible for me to change the kubuntu docs?
[18:41] <Riddell> neversfelde: it's in bzr, but somewhat frozen now
[18:41] <Riddell> ask nixternal for details
[18:44] <josh-l> anyone know if stasks for the kde panel is available for kubuntu in any repos yet? or if it will be?
[18:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks, it is not so important and I will remeber, when they are open again
[18:51] <nixternal> neversfelde: what needs to be changed?
[18:51] <nixternal> ya, they won't be open until karmic
[18:51] <nixternal> unless it is a major issue, then it can be changed
[18:52] <neversfelde> nixternal: in systemsettings is said, that kcontrol is still available
[18:52] <nixternal> argh, that was supposed to be removed...I had even tagged it
[18:52] <neversfelde> and I translated it :)
[18:52] <nixternal> ya, that wouldn't be considered major enough for a jaunty fix, but it is tagged
[18:52] <nixternal> haha, translate it to say "IT AIN'T HERE HOMESKILLET" :)
[18:53] <neversfelde> hehe
[18:53] <nixternal> wait a second
[18:54] <nixternal> there is nothing about KControl in the bzr repo
[18:54] <nixternal> nixternal@KaboWabo:~/opensource/ubuntu/docs/kubuntu-jaunty/docs$ grep -r KControl *
[18:54] <nixternal> nixternal@KaboWabo:~/opensource/ubuntu/docs/kubuntu-jaunty/docs$
[18:54] <nixternal> nada
[18:55] <nixternal> sounds like you might be translating old stuff possibly
[18:56] <neversfelde> "KControl is still there" is in the german template for systemsettings
[18:56] <neversfelde> Located in system-settings/C/system-settings.xml:44(title)
[18:57] <nixternal> wth, it is in LP translation though....something isn't right
[18:58] <nixternal> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports
[18:59] <nixternal> it says they are waiting to be imported...how do they get imported?
[18:59] <nixternal> who does the importing?
[18:59] <ScottK> nixternal: #launchpad.  It needs manual approval by LP people.
[18:59] <nixternal> do all translations need this?
[18:59] <ScottK> AFAIK, yes.
[19:00]  * ScottK knows enough about the LP translation system to consider it extremely broken and then quit caring for more detail.
[19:00] <nixternal> I do not ever remember doing that in the past
[19:00] <nixternal> ya, I am feeling the same
[19:01] <ScottK> Dunno, but #launchpad is the place.
[19:02] <nixternal> wow
[19:02] <nixternal> KDE translations are so much easier dude
[19:02] <nixternal> people grab the .pot files, use that translation app, and before you know it, boom, you have translations :)
[19:03]  * nixternal wonders how many people read his blog post about translations
[19:03]  * nixternal hopes not many ;p
[19:03] <nixternal> but from the looks of it, a few have already started
[19:03] <nixternal> but that is fin, because they are probably translating stuff that stayed in the documentation
[19:17] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you our amarok man? ... i think we very much want to keep an eye on kde bug 184714 if a fix appears
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> not particularly, but I am our bug man (tm)
[19:18] <a|wen> you did last upload at least :)
[19:19] <tomsdale> Hello - I just made you 3 screenshots of my jaunty kde artistic crash. http://www.avecstyle.ca/screenshots/1.jpg   ( also 2.jpg / 3.jpg)
[19:19] <ScottK-desktop> Amarok packaging is so much fun, I'm reasonably certain everyone else will be content to make sure JontheEchidna stays TIL until apachelogger's return.
[19:19] <tomsdale> what do you think is happening? I have compiz enabled and this time I could still turn the desktop cube.
[19:19]  * JontheEchidna hides
[19:20] <ScottK-desktop> JontheEchidna: To late.
[19:21] <ScottK-desktop> tomsdale: Generally, I'd say don't use compiz with KDE4.
[19:21] <ScottK-desktop> No specific thoughts though.
[19:22] <tomsdale> I had the feeling too it doesn't integrate as well as under Gnome. But I guess there is no point in opening a bug report with just a screenshot...
[19:23]  * a|wen can't see a point in using compiz with kde4
[19:26] <tomsdale> for some light eyecandy like window animations and the desktop cube? I guess the same reasons why someone would use it on Gnome.
[19:36] <a|wen> tomsdale: in kde there is already kwin making eyecandy, window animations, flying stuff (all that i could ever wish for and more)
[19:36] <a|wen> s/kde/kde4
[19:40] <tomsdale> hm - maybe I missunderstood then. I'm just using the default "Enable Desktop Effects" in the system configuration. I didn't install compiz as an extra - just using what came with kde4 by default.
[19:41] <a|wen> then you are most likely using kwin effects
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> It could be driver funkiness, ati and intel are known to be troublemakers this time around
[19:43] <tomsdale> I think so too ... I just thought that was "compiz" because the effects are so similar. I heard about Intel making trouble but I have an NVidia NVS 160 with the latest nonfree-driver.
[20:22] <gabgom> hello
[20:25] <gabgom> the hp-toolbox dont work
[20:27] <a|wen> gabgom: in jaunty?
[20:28] <gabgom> yes
[20:29] <a|wen> gabgom: did you upgrade from intrepid?
[20:29] <gabgom> no from jaunty alfa
[20:30] <gabgom> CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation.
[20:30] <gabgom>
[20:31] <gabgom> this is the error it gives
[20:31] <gabgom> starting in console
[20:31] <a|wen> gabgom: can you try to do a reinstall of python-qt4-dbus ?
[20:31] <gabgom> ok
[20:35] <gabgom> I have done it and I have got the same error
[20:35] <gabgom> This was working before one update
[20:36] <a|wen> then it isn't the known problem ...
[20:36] <a|wen> gabgom: which version of python do you have?
[20:37] <gabgom> looking it
[20:40] <gabgom> 2.6 I think
[20:41] <a|wen> gabgom: "apt-cache policy python" should give you the exact version
[20:43] <gabgom> 2.6.1-Oubuntu7 0
[20:43] <josh-l> lots of updates for beta seem to be continuously added
[20:43] <nixternal> hp-toolbox is working here afaics
[20:44] <a|wen> okay, so not the accursed python version ... then it's a good question
[20:45] <gabgom> If a setup from beta is It going to solve the problem ?
[20:45] <gabgom> I meant starting from zero.
[20:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't find a bug on making sure dontzap is installed, so I added Bug #349886.
[20:54] <gabgom> or is it a bug ?
[20:55] <ScottK-desktop> It's a bug and I can't start it either.
[20:58] <josh-l> okay issue
[20:58] <josh-l> dist-upgrade is wanting to remove a ton of stuff:
[20:59] <josh-l> http://paste.ubuntu.com/139188/
[20:59] <josh-l> help anyone?
[21:01] <josh-l> yelp
[21:02] <josh-l> ScottK: any ideas?
[21:03] <a|wen> josh-l: just say no
[21:03] <josh-l> a|wen: to everything in dist-upgrade?
[21:04] <a|wen> josh-l: it's due to some package and/or archive inconsistency ... you'll see this again when running pre-release
[21:04] <ScottK> josh-l: As a|wen says.
[21:04] <josh-l> a|wen: so just dont dist-upgrade ever (during beta) ?
[21:04] <a|wen> josh-l: if it tries to remove a lot of stuff, just say no ... it will probably work again in a day or two to dist-upgrade
[21:05] <ScottK> No, not ever, you need to sometimes, just pay attention and don't let it do stuff like that.
[21:05] <josh-l> ah ok will do
[21:05] <ScottK> josh-l: Also I like apt-get better than aptitude in general because it's dependency resolver is less complete and in general it just gives up instead of trying to remove half your system.
[21:06] <Quintasan> oh, finally finished building
[21:06] <josh-l> ScottK: good point, i'll just use aptitude when installing and removing specific stuff then
[21:07] <josh-l> hmm apt-get upgrade keeps back kdelibs5-data that sounds imiportant
[21:07] <a|wen> josh-l: just some inconsistency ... wait a day or two, and it will work out fine
[21:08] <josh-l> okay patience is the name of the game :)
[21:08] <gabgom> ok
[21:13]  * Quintasan is happy
[21:13] <josh-l> man I never like operating systems, i'm enjoying one again for the first time in years, even linux although running it for 6 or more years, i disliked it somewhat, just feeling no OS was really any good, but I've got really good feelings about Linux again... good for them/me
[21:15]  * apachelogger always gets bad feelings when thinking about linux
[21:15]  * a|wen hugs Quintasan
[21:15] <apachelogger> though I am messed-up alright :S
[21:15] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[21:16] <apachelogger> a|wen: are you going to re that mercurial mail?
[21:17] <a|wen> apachelogger: mercurial mail?
[21:17] <apachelogger> hm
[21:17] <apachelogger> the mail about mercurial support in dolphin
[21:17] <apachelogger> @kubuntu-devel that is
[21:18]  * a|wen thought mercurial was a VCS
[21:18] <apachelogger> it is
[21:18] <apachelogger> if I understand that dood correctly he means a KIO slave for mercurial
[21:19] <apachelogger> like svn://
[21:19] <a|wen> oh; now i understand it
[21:20] <ScottK> Hg is written in python.  I find it quite ironic the the Debian packaging for Hg is maintained in the Python Applications Packaging Team svn.
[21:21] <apachelogger> hm, if only the PAPT would be using git-svn ;-)
[21:30] <a|wen> mr. mercurial is answered
[21:37] <apachelogger> a|wen++
[21:37]  * apachelogger is way too tired => bed
[21:39] <josh-l> whats the easiest way to create a custom usplash?
[21:40] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-March/002221.html
[21:41] <nixternal> I think that would make more sense if it was sent to say the Ubuntu Docs mailing list of the Kubuntu Devel mailing list
[21:43] <Quintasan> oh wait, so what I was translating until now? :D
[21:45] <smarter> josh-l: custom usplash aren't really easy to do :p
[21:45] <smarter> josh-l: and usplash will be replaced by plymouth in next ubuntu release anyway
[21:45] <josh-l> smarter: in jaunty final?
[21:45] <smarter> nop
[21:45] <nixternal> Quintasan: not the new stuff...still waiting for it to be imported which has to be done manually, and seems there is only 1 person who does that
[21:45] <josh-l> ah
[21:45] <smarter> josh-l: karmic
[21:45] <nixternal> and it seems that one person is gone for the day
[21:46] <nixternal> ScottK: Rosetta is awesome!
[21:46] <josh-l> smarter: i hope the boot splash gets a rework, i find it lacking in looks
[21:47] <josh-l> did the usplash change in jaunty beta release or is that just something odd with my particular installation? its much smaller, and so is the progress bar
[21:50] <josh-l> smarter: do you know?
[21:51] <smarter> it changed
[21:51] <smarter> recently
[21:51] <smarter> not sure if that happened in beta
[21:51] <josh-l> smarter: did it change to what I just described?
[21:52] <smarter> no idea, my setup is kind of broken so I don't have usplash
[21:52] <smarter> ask Riddell :)
[21:59] <ScottK> nixternal: I can feel the love from here.
[22:00] <nixternal> just a little
[22:02] <NCommander> ScottK, feel like sponsoring something?
[22:34] <ScottK> Just on my way out the door for the evening.
[23:39] <josh-l> weird gimp toolbox isnt showing in the taskmanager
[23:55] <Quintasan> josh-l: newest "feature" of GIMP


[12:26] <fta> bug 202393
[12:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202393 in firefox-3.0 "[Firefox 3.0b4 in Hardy alpha 6] some png pictures are not displayed on web pages after a zoom in" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202393
[12:27] <fta> bug 202454
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202454 in firefox-3.0 "Scrolling continues after releasing arrow key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202454
[12:44] <CheGuevara> 202454 is SO annoying
[12:45] <fta> but i can't reproduce
[12:46] <CheGuevara> hmm
[12:46] <CheGuevara> for me
[12:46] <CheGuevara> it doesn't scroll for a bit
[12:46] <CheGuevara> it does it till the end of the page
[12:47] <fta> do you release still on the arrow or in the page ?
[12:48] <CheGuevara> not sure what you mean
[12:48] <fta> click the arrow and release, or click+hold move and release ?
[12:49] <CheGuevara> umm using the keyboard i believe
[12:50] <CheGuevara> i never concentrated on it though, if it happenes again i'll let you know
[12:50] <fta> oh
[12:50] <CheGuevara> it happenes quiet randomly
[12:50] <CheGuevara> but been happening to me like once a day
[12:50] <fta> i don't use autoscrolling
[12:51] <fta> and i use smooth scrolling
[12:51] <CheGuevara> whats autoscrolling
[12:52] <fta> it's scrolling with the keyboard while in the page
[12:53] <fta> it's in prefs / advanced / general / browsing
[12:53] <CheGuevara> isn't autoscrolling when that little icon appears in the middle of the page
[12:54] <CheGuevara> disabled for me as well
[12:54] <fta> hmm
[12:54] <CheGuevara> smooth scrolling wasnt enabled though
[12:54] <fta> oh maybe
[12:54] <fta> you're right
[12:54] <CheGuevara> http://www.sitepoint.com/images/blogs/autoscroll.gif
[12:54] <CheGuevara> like this
[12:55] <CheGuevara> by the way that bug
[12:55] <CheGuevara> is probably not an ff problem
[12:55] <CheGuevara> but a slow video driver
[12:56] <CheGuevara> which makes it seem like its scrolling further
[12:56] <fta> or slow cpu
[12:56] <CheGuevara> yeah
[12:56] <fta> mozilla bug 398334
[12:56] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 398334 in Event Handling ""ASSERTION: previous transaction is not finished!"" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398334
[12:56] <fta> hm
[12:56] <CheGuevara> unless of course it didn't happen in ff2
[12:57] <fta> [reed], how come the bug description doesn't match bonsai ?
[12:57] <fta> bonsai reads: "End the mouse wheel scrolling transaction when forcing 'passToParent' for a combobox (fixes an assertion). b=398334 r=masayuki sr=roc a1.9=beltzner"
[12:57] <CheGuevara> heh
[12:58] <fta> hm, rss subscription is broken for me in b5pre
[12:59] <CheGuevara> to any rss?
[12:59] <fta> seems so
[13:00] <CheGuevara> the included bbc ones seem ok
[13:00] <fta> using 3.0~b5~cvs20080314t0150
[13:00] <CheGuevara> i am using whichever one is in your ppa :P
[13:00] <fta> it's the same then :)
[13:01] <CheGuevara> seems ok with my site's rss
[13:01] <CheGuevara> what exactly is wrong
[13:02] <fta> i click on the orange rss logo in the url bar, choose either rss or atom or whatever, it loads a bit, then nada
[13:04] <fta> it used to present me a google page with either google reader or another google stuff
[13:06] <fta> mozilla bug 421422
[13:06] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 421422 in GFX: Thebes "Upgrade cairo to 1.5.12-56-ga33351f" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421422
[13:07] <fta> damn, once more
[13:08] <CheGuevara> aww i chose always use live bookmarks like a min ago
[13:11] <fta> about:robots   :)
[13:12] <CheGuevara> lol
[13:12] <CheGuevara> wonder fi that'll be in the final
[13:12] <fta> it will be even better in the next snapshot
[13:13] <CheGuevara> lol
[13:15] <fta> hm, tons of p0rn spam in mozilla.dev.apps.*
[13:15] <CheGuevara> not moderated?
[13:16] <fta> donoo, it's a google group, i thought google was good at blocking spam
[13:17] <CheGuevara> heh
[13:19] <fta> mozilla bug 418016
[13:19] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418016 in XPCOM "Ts jumped ~1% when enabling jemalloc on Linux (qm-mini-ubuntu01, qm-mini-ubuntu02, qm-mini-ubuntu05)" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418016
[13:19] <fta> damn, i have to update all the packages now :(
[13:54] <fta> bug 201596
[13:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201596 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "xv is not working on intel when using compiz" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201596
[13:55] <CheGuevara> that should be fixed now
[13:56] <fta> just wanted to see if it fixes some bugs reported by some ff3 users
[13:56] <CheGuevara> don't see how it would
[13:57] <fta> the description in changelog reads very different
[13:58] <fta> Fix the overlay patch to really disable TexturedVideo by default.
[14:00] <CheGuevara> how would TexturedVideo affect ff
[14:01] <fta> donno, we got hit by some many Rendering issues that I check just in case
[14:02] <CheGuevara> heh
[16:09] <fta> ok, my nick should be stable now
[16:49] <[reed]> fta: <fta> [reed], how come the bug description doesn't match bonsai ?
[16:49] <[reed]> for what check-in?
[16:49] <[reed]> could be a typo
[16:49] <[reed]> if so, that can be fixed
[16:50] <fta> mozilla bug 398334
[16:50] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 398334 in Event Handling ""ASSERTION: previous transaction is not finished!"" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398334
 bonsai reads: "End the mouse wheel scrolling transaction when forcing 'passToParent' for a combobox (fixes an assertion). b=398334 r=masayuki sr=roc a1.9=beltzner"
[16:50] <[reed]> looks like the same bug
[16:51] <[reed]> reviewers are the same
[16:51] <fta> yes
[16:51] <[reed]> so, what's the problem? :)
[16:51] <fta> description is not the same
[16:51] <[reed]> doesn't have to be the same... some people describe the actual fix
[16:51] <[reed]> instead of state the summary
[16:51] <[reed]> the main thing is that they list the bug # and reviewers
[16:52] <[reed]> anything else is extraneous
[16:53] <fta> sometimes there's no #id and it's a pain to link the bug to the commit, esp when the description does not match
[16:53] <fta> here, we have the #id
[16:53] <[reed]> well, if it's a typo fix or something, you're not likely to see a bug #
[16:54] <[reed]> but if it's some major change in any way, should always be a bug #
[16:56] <fta> Bug 202393
[16:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202393 in firefox-3.0 "[Firefox 3.0b4 in Hardy alpha 6] some png pictures are not displayed on web pages after a zoom in" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202393
[16:56] <fta> heard anything about that ?
[17:30] <[reed]> nope
[22:24] <fta> mozilla bug 418550
[22:24] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418550 in Prism "nothing happens when clicking OK in Install Shortcut dialog on Linux" [Normal,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418550
[22:26] <fta> mozilla bug 415880
[22:26] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 415880 in Prism "window size and position is not saved when closing it using shortcuts" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415880
[22:52] <fta> [reed], is there a mxr for svn.mozilla.org ?
[22:52] <[reed]> on landfill, maybe
[22:52] <[reed]> viewvc.svn.mozilla.org might suffice for you
[22:53] <fta> it's for prism
[22:54] <fta> ok, found it
[23:00] <fta> you can't do blame with that but that's ok, i managed to find the source of my misery
[23:01] <[reed]> you can do blame
[23:03] <[reed]> http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/webrunner/trunk/client/chrome/content/webrunner.js?annotate=10867
[23:03] <[reed]> for example


[16:34] <xmox> Hey folks, I have a MeizuMX4 and want to test Ubuntu touch on my device. Is there a image for testing purposes? :)