[05:46] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:47] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:54] <Kilos> i got probs
[05:55] <Kilos> adding nm-applet to startup apps has stopped pc from booting to desktop
[05:55] <Kilos> on maverick now
[05:56] <Kilos> can get into ctrl+alt+F2 but dunno command to get rid of startup apps
[05:57] <Kilos> logged in as a guest ok but still cant do anything on miles
[05:58] <Kilos> hi superfly hodgecola
[05:58] <superfly> morning Kilos, magespawn
[05:58] <Kilos> hehe
[05:58] <magespawn> hey Kilos, superfly
[05:59] <Kilos> how does a guest session do anything on the main users home
[06:01] <magespawn> could you use sudo?
[06:01] <Kilos> yip it says i dont have permissions
[06:02] <magespawn> you would have to add guest to the sudoers file, but how you do that I have no idea
[06:02] <Kilos> but could do sudo aptitude install gdm but never helped
[06:02] <Kilos> it said something about sudoers ya
[06:04] <Kilos> grrr and i got an email from ubuntuone telling me what commands to use to get ubuntuone to wget from my pc the missing upload
[06:04] <Kilos> now if i reinstall i lose all that
[06:06] <Kilos> hi jurgens
[06:10] <Kilos> magespawn, have you got 5 mins to look at this
[06:10] <Kilos> http://superuser.com/questions/221340/set-password-for-root-on-virtualbox-ubuntu
[06:10] <magespawn> sure
[06:10] <Kilos> will that give a guest power to change home settings
[06:11] <Kilos> my home settings that is
[06:12] <Kilos> to be able to see my startup apps
[06:12] <Kilos> and delete nm-applet in there
[06:12] <magespawn> usermod -G admin rob, where rob is account you want to add with admin privilages
[06:13] <magespawn> this is in Recovery Mode
[06:13] <Squirm> dc
[06:13] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. its in /etc/sudoers
[06:13] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. you can specify that the guest can use certain commands without a password
[06:13] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. or you can give guest access to all the commands if they know the root password
[06:14] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. you can give them access to all commands without the root password(I wouldnt suggest this)
[06:14] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. and
[06:14] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. I spy with my little eye, something beginning with 'S'
[06:14] <Kilos> lol
[06:14] <Kilos> hi squirm
[06:15] <magespawn> if you do give guest root access you should also remove it as soon as you sorted your problem
[06:16] <Kilos> so in recovery mode after logging in i run usermod -G admin guestnumber
[06:16] <Squirm> guest	ALL=(ALL) ALL :NOPASSWD
[06:16] <Squirm> I have a feeling that will give guest sudo access
[06:16] <Kilos> whew lemme write this down
[06:17] <Squirm> that line would go in /etc/sudoers
[06:17] <Kilos> ty guys will try get back with 12.04
[06:18] <superfly> Kilos: why do you want to give the guest account sudo access? that's very insecure
[06:18] <Kilos> superfly, i cant get into my desktop
[06:19] <Kilos> nm-applet in startup apps stops gdm loading
[06:19] <Kilos> so i must as a guest delete that nm-applet from startup apps
[06:21] <superfly> Kilos: you don't need to tell nm to start up, it's probably already starting up
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: also, might I suggest you ask me or someone else knowledgable in here before you ask the list. The list is now full of n00bs who don't understand the question and don't actually understand they answer they are giving
[06:22] <Kilos> it doesnt accept the auto connect ticked block or the enable broadband permanently superfly
[06:23] <Kilos> i didnt want to worry you superfly i know you are busy, but ty i have learned my lesson
[06:23] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but nm-applet is probably already running anyways... so your problem and the solution you were given are actually completely unrelated.
[06:24] <Kilos> so what do you suggest i do now superfly ?
[06:24] <superfly> Kilos: what you're trying to do at the moment - remove nm-applet from your startup
[06:25] <Kilos> as a guest?
[06:25] <Kilos> with sudo powers
[06:25] <superfly> Kilos: no, that obviously won't work
[06:25] <Kilos> from recovery mode?
[06:25] <superfly> you need to log in in recovery mode and go and figure out where that file actually lives on your hard drive (and I don't know where)
[06:26] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[06:26] <Kilos> luckily i have maverick to come here with
[06:30] <superfly> Kilos: I need to go, briefly, I'll be back in a little while
[06:31] <Kilos> ty superfly go safe
[06:32] <Kilos> Squirm, do i gedit /etc/sudoers  ??
[06:32] <Squirm> least that's where sudo users are kept
[06:33] <Kilos> or cd to it
[06:34] <Kilos> ok here goes. hold thumbs guys
[06:34] <Kilos> bbl
[06:35] <Squirm> you could also boot into the networkless runlevel
[06:36] <Squirm> oh yes
[06:36] <Squirm> I forgot to mention the word I spied with the letter 'S'
[06:36] <Squirm> it's snowing
[06:45] <charlvn_> good morning
[06:46] <charlvn_> Squirm: nice! enjoy
[06:46] <charlvn> magespawn: coffee on
[06:48] <magespawn> err okay
[06:48]  * magespawn flips the salt timer
[06:48] <charlvn> bah
[06:48] <charlvn> sorry man
[06:49] <magespawn> lol np
[06:49] <charlvn> this stupid auto correct :D
[06:49] <Squirm> lol
[06:49] <charlvn> when i type "Ma-tab" i get magespawn instead of maaz
[06:49] <charlvn> Maaz_: coffee on
[06:49]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[06:49] <magespawn> Maaz_ why do you have a tail?
[06:49] <Maaz_> magespawn: I already know stuff about why
[06:49] <charlvn> it's too early in the morning for this nonsense, i need coffee
[06:49] <magespawn> lol
[06:53] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[06:54] <Squirm> I need coffee
[06:54] <Squirm> but then I have to go and buy milk
[06:54] <Squirm> Maaz_: please go and buy milk for me
[06:54] <Maaz_> Squirm: *blink*
[06:55] <charlvn> Maaz_: thanks!
[06:55] <Maaz_> charlvn: Okay :-)
[06:55] <charlvn> Squirm: what is this for laziness :)
[06:56] <Squirm> I have the day off sick ok
[06:56] <Squirm> and it's snowing
[06:56] <Squirm> the first day I've taken sick off work this year
[06:56] <charlvn> ok no that's different then, sorry to hear
[06:56] <charlvn> get better soon!
[06:56]  * Squirm kicks the snow to tomorrow
[06:58] <charlvn> bbl, work
[07:15] <Kilos> hmmm
[07:16] <Kilos> cant get into anywhere there
[07:17] <Kilos> can get into /etc/ but cant edit sudoers even with sudo
[07:17] <Kilos> usermod -G admin rob says no admin found
[07:18] <Kilos> i can see that /etc/sudoers from maverick here but cant change permissions
[07:18] <Kilos> dont wanna start chowning indiscriminately
[07:19] <Kilos> can see 12.04 home miles but cant find the startup apps
[07:49] <inetpro> good morning
[07:49] <inetpro> Sorry — I was up all night trying to download photos taken by a robot lowered onto Mars by a skycrane
[07:50]  * inetpro lol at xkcd humor
[07:53] <tonberry352_> lol
[07:57] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos "usermod -G admin <name of account>"
[07:57] <Maaz_> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:57] <magespawn> morning inetpro
[09:06] <Kilos> goodness gracious bally dammit me
[09:07] <Kilos> first messed up things, then found another way to do it
[09:08] <Kilos> now dunno how to get my nm applet goodie back in top panel again
[09:08] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[09:09] <psydroid> oh, I never know how to get all of those applets back
[09:09] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[09:09] <Kilos> lol
[09:09] <psydroid> so I just back up all settings and have them recreated
[09:11] <Kilos> you have missed all the fun here this morning. i added nm-applet to startup apps then pc could boot to gui because it couldnt open that nm applet without a gui
[09:12] <Kilos> tried lotsa things but couldnt get anywhere so used ctrl+alt+F2 and purged network-manager
[09:12] <Kilos> that didnt solve the booting to gui
[09:13] <Kilos> logged in as other user with same name and password and hey presto could go remove the nm-applet from startup applications
[09:13] <Kilos> but the nm in top panel is gooooone
[09:13]  * Kilos cries
[09:14] <psydroid> I'm sure you had lots of fun pioneering troubleshooting this part of the operating system
[09:14] <Kilos> lol
[09:15] <Kilos> in maverick you could right click on a panel and go add to panel
[09:15] <Kilos> that doesnt work on 12.04
[09:15] <psydroid> yeah
[09:16] <psydroid> I have similar problems with the KDE desktop, so I usually keep a backup of the home directory with all settings, which can be easily restored in such cases
[09:17] <psydroid> at least at my friend's office, I haven't had such problems myself
[09:17] <Kilos> lol i only been on here a week and havent made one backup yet
[09:19] <Kilos> but i did rsync archives to my external so i could get network-manager installed with gdebi
[09:19] <Kilos> yay
[09:19] <psydroid> yeah
[09:20] <Kilos> magespawn,
[09:20] <psydroid> here I've got too lazy to do anything like that
[09:21] <Kilos> if you dont have bandwidth cost probs then you can just update download again
[09:21] <Kilos> i rsync archives everytime i install something new
[09:22] <psydroid> imagine having to download everything all over
[09:22] <Kilos> if i was on uncapped i would most likely have done a clean install again
[09:22] <Kilos> lol
[09:23] <Kilos> i was frantic this morning
[09:23] <Kilos> been trying for about 5 hours
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee on
[09:24]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, hurry
[09:24] <Maaz_> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, move it
[09:24] <Maaz_> If I get anymore cheek Kilos you can do it yourself next time
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz_, rusks please
[09:24] <Maaz_> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[09:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday1 you grew some
[09:25] <Kilos> phase 1 already
[09:26] <psydroid> you must have woken up very early, I just got up at 10
[09:27] <maiatoday1> hmm, dunno why I have an extra ear now
[09:27] <Kilos> hehe
[09:28] <Kilos> the bot also. its the net thats sick
[09:28] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:28] <Kilos> and Symmetria doesnt fix it
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz_, ty
[09:28] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[09:37] <Kilos> what is the super key on a keyboard??
[09:37] <Kilos> hi smile
[09:41] <superfly> Kilos: the super key is the Windows key
[09:42] <Kilos> oh my shoulda been called the poofie instead
[09:42] <Kilos> ty superfly
[09:47] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[09:50] <zeref> heeeehhhheehhhh, snow is falling
[09:51] <Kilos> eina
[09:52] <Kilos> its freezing here
[09:52] <Kilos> zeref, where are you?
[09:52] <zeref> joburg
[09:52] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <Kilos> and wind straight over you to us
[09:56] <Kilos> superfly, i recieved a mail from ubuntuone. he says i must do this
[09:56] <Kilos> 1. Run the following in the terminal - in Dash (Super/Windows key or
[09:56] <Kilos> click Ubuntu icon in Launcher) type Terminal (all one line):
[09:57] <superfly> right, so open the terminal
[09:57] <Kilos> what parts of that must i actually use
[10:01] <Kilos> superfly, I dunno what to use of all that
[10:01] <superfly> Kilos: open your terminal and type out the command he gave you (which you didn't type out here)
[10:01] <Kilos> oh
[10:01] <Kilos> oops
[10:02] <Kilos> i thought it was in that first bit
[10:03] <Kilos> wget
[10:03] <Kilos> http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-ubuntu-syncdaemon-diag.sh
[10:03] <Kilos> && bash ubuntuone-ubuntu-syncdaemon-diag.sh
[10:03] <Kilos> that looks better hey
[10:03]  * Kilos such a twit
[10:13] <Kilos> did that and it wgot 1.2m and said saved but i dunno where
[10:14] <Kilos> in home methinks
[10:37] <magespawn> Hey Kilos been busy sorry.
[10:37] <Kilos> np magespawn
[10:37] <Kilos> snowing here
[10:37] <magespawn> cool very!
[10:37] <Kilos> eish
[10:38] <Kilos> that white stuff sucks
[10:38] <Kilos> magespawn, wanna try something
[10:38] <magespawn> okay
[10:38] <Kilos> only way i got back here
[10:39] <Kilos> logged in as another user but used same name and password and could get to delete that nm-applet in startup apps
[10:39] <Kilos> all those other ways didnt work
[10:40] <Kilos> so even as another user if you use same name and password you have full control
[10:41] <Kilos> is that right?
[10:41] <magespawn> it should not be another user at all if the name and password are identical
[10:41] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <Kilos> then what happened
[10:42] <Kilos> it let me login properly
[10:42] <magespawn> unless I miss how this works
[10:42] <Kilos> i will try it on maverick sometime
[10:43] <magespawn> I think uppper case and such could make a difference
[10:43] <magespawn> but if it identical then you are that user
[10:43] <Kilos> nope i did everything same
[10:43] <magespawn> well then you are that user, problem solved, lol
[10:43] <Kilos> how come it didnt get stuck at the nm-applet thing
[10:44] <Kilos> im so happy but while trying to get in i purged network-manager and had to install from ext archives but the icon in top panel is gone
[10:45] <magespawn> to get the icon back you have to right click i think.
[10:45] <magespawn> use the add to panel command
[10:45] <Kilos> doesnt work with unity
[10:46] <magespawn> will have a look when I get back, I have a game drive to go on.
[10:46] <Kilos> nplad you have a good day
[10:46] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:46] <Kilos> ty for being there for company
[10:47] <magespawn> np
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: is ook so koud daar by jou?
[11:01] <Kilos> dit het bietjie kapok gegooi nou nou
[11:01] <inetpro> my vrou het nou gebel, was so bietjie kapok daar
[11:01] <Kilos> vrek koue wind
[11:01] <inetpro> wow
[11:02] <inetpro> kapok = sleet ?
[11:02] <Kilos> min dat jy dit sien in pretoria
[11:02] <inetpro> beslis
[11:02] <Kilos> ya like fine snow that falls straight down not zigziag like flakes
[11:07] <zeref_work> whoah
[11:07] <zeref_work> http://i.imgur.com/ds6K5.jpg
[12:10] <Squirm> hi
[13:54] <zeref> sudo start heater
[13:55] <superfly> Hahaha I wanna do that too.
[14:00] <zeref> :)
[14:00] <zeref> i've not seem so many people taking pictures of them in snow
[14:01] <zeref> *themselves
[14:45] <Symmetria> heh
[14:45] <Symmetria> I want to meet whoever supplies the drugs to cisco
[14:53] <smile> bye
[14:53] <Trixar_za> You know, I have a weird idea
[14:54] <Trixar_za> What if you created a distro with sudo preinstalled, but with a NOPASS group that the user gets added to on install
[14:55] <Trixar_za> Then you make up the application launchers/shortcuts that need root access just call sudo before running the application
[14:55] <Trixar_za> This is probably insecure if some genius works out he can abuse this to get the person to install a virus
[14:55] <Trixar_za> But probably more secure than how Puppy is doing it...
[14:57] <Trixar_za> Yep, this is the stuff I think about while lying awake at 5am
[15:42] <smile> :p
[15:59] <nuvolari> .
[15:59] <nuvolari> helo
[16:03] <nuvolari> maaz: seen kilos
[16:03] <Maaz_> nuvolari: kilos was last seen 5 hours and 49 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-08-07 13:02:44 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-08-07 13:20:32 SAST
[16:27] <nuvolari> ha
[16:27] <nuvolari> hier is oom Kilos
[16:28] <nuvolari> brb
[16:28] <nuvolari> ack :-/
[16:29] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[16:29] <Kilos> and others
[16:29] <nuvolari> hi oom :>
[16:29] <Trixar_za> Hey nuvolari and Kilos
[16:29] <nuvolari> ek't nou nou gou vir 8ta gebel
[16:29] <Kilos> just finished a clean install
[16:29] <nuvolari> en die data ding gedoen
[16:29] <nuvolari> hi Trixar_za
[16:29] <Kilos> mooi man
[16:30] <Kilos> sien jy nou daai 2+1 bundle op die foon?
[16:30] <Trixar_za> Is jy ook op 8ta?
[16:30] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[16:30] <Kilos> ja
[16:30] <nuvolari> nog nie gekyk nie oom Kilos
[16:30] <nuvolari> Trixar_za: jip
[16:30] <nuvolari> weet nie hoekom ek dit nie vroër gedoen het nie
[16:31] <Kilos> ek kon nie die 2+1 sien nie tot hulle my sim geaktiveer het nie
[16:31] <Kilos> jou kop is te besig met ander goed man
[16:32] <Kilos> jy mis dit wat eintlik belangrik is
[16:32] <Kilos> hehe
[16:32] <nuvolari> hoe nou oom?
[16:32]  * nuvolari mis daai punt ook lyk dit my
[16:32] <Kilos> jy weet al maande dat jy 8ta moet probeer
[16:33] <nuvolari> oh... dit ja...
[16:33]  * nuvolari sê niks
[16:33]  * nuvolari tel die pennies wat hy in die water gegooi het
[16:33] <nuvolari> sjoe, ek kon 'n plaas koop
[16:33] <smile> bye :)
[16:33] <Kilos> lmga ja amper ne
[16:34] <Kilos> hulle het ook daai groot bondle
[16:34] <nuvolari> maar dis op kontrak, dan nie?
[16:34] <nuvolari> byebye smile
[16:34] <Kilos> 60m + 60m na 11nm vir R1600 n jaar ek dink
[16:34] <Kilos> 60g +60g
[16:34] <Kilos> skuus
[16:35] <Kilos> ek dink banlam het dit
[16:36] <nuvolari> dis soos 5Gb 'n maand
[16:36] <Kilos> en 5g na 11
[16:36]  * nuvolari pik 'n traan
[16:36] <nuvolari> dit klink so mooi
[16:36] <Kilos> maar mens moet slaap ook
[16:37] <Kilos> die na ure een kan jy vreet naweke en innie dag slaap
[16:39] <Kilos> nou moet ek van voor af begin daai klank kaart aan die gang kry
[16:40] <nuvolari> :-/
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <nuvolari> maar oom het seker dit neergeskryf?
[16:40] <Kilos> as mens dom is moet jy sukkel
[16:40] <Kilos> nee ek het so baie goed probeer
[16:40] <Kilos> weet nie watter een dit gedoen het nie
[16:42] <Kilos> hierdie keer sal ek n ander stel speakers in daai gat inplug en dan dinge een vir een toets terwyl musiek speel
[16:42] <Kilos> en n backup doen sodra dit werk
[16:42] <Kilos> hehe
[16:42] <Kilos> dom donner
[16:44] <Kilos> dit het kapok hier vandag nuvolari
[16:44] <Kilos> vrek koud
[16:45] <nuvolari> joh
[16:45] <nuvolari> dis oom wat die yskas oop vergeet het!
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:45] <nuvolari> ek sit en vries my tone af
[16:45] <Kilos> en in jhb en rustenburg
[16:45] <Kilos> dink vandag was max 10
[16:46] <Kilos> en -2 innie oggend
[16:46] <nuvolari> mensig!
[16:46] <nuvolari> oom het seker vloreer op koffie?
[16:46] <Kilos> baie tee en koppie sop of drie
[16:48] <nuvolari> hmm, nou is ek ewe skielik lus vir sop
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:49] <Kilos> hey superfly all good there?
[16:49] <Kilos> missed you guys today
[16:50] <superfly> Kilos: ya, just got back from another trip to the doctor
[16:50] <Kilos> good news i hope superfly
[16:51] <Kilos> give my best to mrs_fly  too
[16:51] <Kilos> seems like sflr is sick again too
[16:54] <magespawn> evening all
[16:55] <nuvi2> heh, hulle lieg
[16:55] <nuvi2> g'n adsl nie
[16:56] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:56] <Kilos> clean install twice
[16:57] <magespawn> you?
[16:57] <Kilos> mobile broadband disappeared completely when i went off this morning
[16:58] <magespawn> hectic
[16:58] <Kilos> so did a clean install but didnt format /home and same prob so clean install again
[16:58] <magespawn> but you are up and running again now?
[16:59] <Kilos> yeah just need to get everything going again
[16:59] <Kilos> rsync of archives is such a blessing
[16:59] <magespawn> indeed
[17:00] <Kilos> can clean install and update for like 15m and upgrade for 5m
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:00] <magespawn> later
[17:01] <nuvolari> ooh! seems we did well in the javelin throw
[17:01] <nuvolari> *women's javelin
[17:01] <magespawn> gold?
[17:02] <nuvolari> dunno, waiting for the news to get to the sport section
[17:03] <magespawn> looks like sa is doing quite well all round
[17:03] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:03] <nuvolari> I googled, it seems like after 2 heats we're 3rd
[17:03] <nuvolari> *Sunette Viljoen is 3rd
[17:04] <nuvolari> came 1st in her heat
[17:04] <magespawn> i was quite disappointed that they do not put more video online.
[17:05] <magespawn> good for her
[17:05] <Kerbero> supersport is useless
[17:05] <Kerbero> stole youtube's contract for SA
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Kilos: When in doubt, use sakis3g
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Mind you, it didn't work for 8ta
[17:06] <Trixar_za> But I made my own version and compiled in some more devices
[17:06] <Trixar_za> :p
[17:07] <Trixar_za> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?p=5947
[17:07] <Trixar_za> Yes, I was bored one day :/
[17:19] <zeref> sigh, res electricity keeps cutting
[17:22] <Kilos> Trixar_za, my prob is the auto connect block doesnt remember to auto connect so if you can hack 12.04's nm to remember that and once you enable broadband to remember that then you done good
[17:23] <Kilos> at least launchpad is mailing me for more info but bug is still not a priority bug
[17:27] <magespawn> does any one know if need a special editor to edit /etc/sudoers?
[17:28] <nuvolari> magespawn: visudo
[17:29] <magespawn> I am reading Fedora Unleashed and that is what it says, just wanted to check as this one is a bit old.
[17:30] <nuvolari> magespawn: I'm not aware of a different app to use
[17:32] <magespawn> ty nuvolari
[17:37] <magespawn> Kerbero: have these people not worked out that ppl can get past area restrictions through the net and if you want people to see something the net is the best way to do it?
[18:22] <Kilos> eish now to install and setup ibid again
[18:31] <nuvolari> brr
[18:31] <nuvolari> it's freezing
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <theblaze> Hey guys what happened to smile?
[18:31] <Kilos> he gone to bed
[18:31] <theblaze> Ah OK
[18:31] <Kilos> he goes off early
[18:32] <Kilos> he is in the netherlands
[18:32] <theblaze> I see
[18:32] <theblaze> I know
[18:32] <nuvolari> what what? I also wanna see
[18:32] <Cantide> I'm considering sleeping simply because my bed is warm :)
[18:32] <nuvolari> Cantide: a very good idea
[18:32] <theblaze> Btw on going to try Ann go on more often.  My marshal has been baconed
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah good idea hey Cantide
[18:33] <theblaze> And*
[18:33] <theblaze> Marshal*
[18:33] <Kilos> huh?
[18:33] <theblaze> Nvm u don't Reddit
[18:33] <Kilos> no
[18:34] <Cantide> "huh" is also my response :p
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> howzit theblaze
[18:35] <theblaze> I'm good and use
[18:35] <theblaze> U*
[18:35] <Kilos> we cold but good ty
[18:35] <theblaze> Damn autocorrect
[18:35] <theblaze> Yeah me
[18:35] <theblaze> 2
[18:35] <charlvn> Kilos: actually smile is flemish, he lives in belgium
[18:36] <charlvn> besides, we are on the same time zone as you in the summer :)
[18:36] <charlvn> and it's summer and the sun hasn't even gone down yet
[18:36] <Kilos> lol same thing charlvn
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos> foreign
[18:36] <Kilos> european
[18:36] <charlvn> ehm, no :P
[18:36] <Kilos> why are you so quiet?
[18:36] <charlvn> sorry i've just been busy
[18:36] <Kilos> np
[18:37] <Kilos> just dont forget us
[18:37] <charlvn> have been crazy busy at work the past while
[18:37] <Kilos> we will hunt you down
[18:37] <charlvn> lol no i promise i won't :P
[18:37] <charlvn> :D
[18:37] <Kilos> busy is good,time flies
[18:37] <charlvn> i hear you people are having quite a bit of snow down there
[18:37] <charlvn> usually it is us with the snow
[18:38] <Kilos> whew not good
[18:38] <charlvn> for us it has actually been quite a hot summer
[18:38] <Kilos> cold wet messy stuff
[18:38] <charlvn> yuck!
[18:38] <charlvn> no i hate that type of snow
[18:38] <charlvn> that's not good
[18:38] <charlvn> it's called sleet or something i think in english
[18:38] <charlvn> the english apparently have a lot of that weather but i don't know, i have only been to england once
[18:38] <Kilos> yeah here in pta but lotsa places have deep snow
[18:38] <charlvn> yeah that's what i hear
[18:39] <Kilos> peeps are skiing in lesotho
[18:39] <charlvn> that's quite unusual though right?
[18:39]  * nuvolari likes the warmer weather of durbs
[18:39] <Kilos> no we just past midwinter
[18:39] <Kilos> june 21 is midwinter
[18:39] <charlvn> ah
[18:39] <charlvn> yeah makes sense
[18:39] <nuvolari> the only time I am healthy enough to go out into the snow back home, and I sit here :(
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <nuvolari> every single time back home when it was snowing, I had flu so I couldn't go out
[18:40] <charlvn> i hate it though when the ground freezes and you start slipping
[18:40] <Kilos> best place to see snow is on the idiot box
[18:41] <charlvn> i don't mind the snow so much but the ice on the ground i don't like at all :(
[18:41] <charlvn> Kilos: ah, you mean the TV? :)
[18:41] <charlvn> i like that, idiot box
[18:41] <Kilos> yeah charlvn
[18:41] <charlvn> it feels like it, most of the programming seems to be for dumb people
[18:41] <Kilos> yip
[18:41] <Kilos> brain washing tool
[18:42] <charlvn> brainwashing... it's what they call "mass intertainment" Kilos :)
[18:42] <charlvn> *entertainment
[18:42] <Kilos> peeps get so into tv they talk as if they were there when things happened
[18:42] <charlvn> keeping the masses dumb and the politicians rich
[18:42] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <charlvn> by the way, today i used expect for the first time
[18:46] <Kilos> expect?
[18:46] <charlvn> to do a test to interactively upload a file via sftp with a hard-coded password (very wrong btw)
[18:47] <charlvn> we tried to do it the right way (tm) by doing it with ppk authentication
[18:47] <charlvn> but we couldn't even open a remote shell and scp didn't want to work either
[18:47] <charlvn> all that works is sftp with a password
[18:48] <Kilos> is all of that good or bad?
[18:48] <charlvn> expect is basically is an interactive scripting language
[18:48] <Kilos> ah
[18:48] <Kilos> hey you clever guys
[18:48] <charlvn> a bit like bash scripting but you can invoke commands and then talk to them in interactive mode
[18:48] <charlvn> a bit like what a user would do but then using scripting
[18:48] <charlvn> so you invoke sftp with some parameters
[18:49] <charlvn> then "expect" it to prompt you for a password, and when it does, you feed it the password
[18:49] <charlvn> then you "expect" a prompt like "sftp>" and when you get it, you feed the sftp commands like mput etc you want
[18:49] <charlvn> when that's done, you "expect" another "sftp>" prompt and you exit
[18:49] <Kilos> if i rsync /home/from my maverick to /home/ 12.04 what about all the stuff thats irrelivant
[18:50] <charlvn> hmmm, what exactly do you want to take over
[18:50] <charlvn> if you include all the hidden directories in your home directory you will take all your configuration with you
[18:50] <charlvn> most of it will probably work fine but there could be some hickups, perhaps
[18:50] <charlvn> i would just take all my actual documents like my ~/Documents directory etc across
[18:50] <Kilos> lotsa settings as in email ibid sound etc etc
[18:50] <charlvn> ah yeah
[18:51] <charlvn> well it is a bit of a gamble but it depends on the application
[18:51] <charlvn> most applications try to strive for backwards compatibility with older config files
[18:51] <charlvn> sometimes it goes wrong though, or an application decides to adopt a whole different configuration format
[18:51] <charlvn> i had a few cases where applications decided to convert their config format from yaml to xml for example
[18:51] <charlvn> but that isn't typically the case
[18:52] <Kilos> because for starters it was the only way i could get 9 workspaces on 12.04
[18:52] <charlvn> ah
[18:52] <Kilos> i battle with only 4
[18:52] <charlvn> you could always trim out those config files or do something manually if you need to
[18:52] <charlvn> it usually isn't a bad thing to bring everything across, i just tend not to do it for some reason
[18:52] <Kilos> like to have things on their own space with a terminal as well
[18:53] <charlvn> i guess i like starting fresh every so often
[18:53] <Kilos> ok now is there a way to clean out the unused stuff in home automatically
[18:53] <nuvolari> Bwahahahah! "Keyboard not found! Press ENTER to continue."
[18:54] <charlvn> not that i'm aware of no
[18:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <charlvn> maybe there are some cool tools out there but not that i've seen
[18:54] <charlvn> nuvolari: nice one :)
[18:54] <Kilos> because if you show hidden files there are stacks
[18:54] <charlvn> probably that happens because the error handling is generic in the programming code
[18:54] <charlvn> and it always appends "press enter to continue" to any error
[18:55] <Kilos> what does this generic mean
[18:55] <charlvn> reusable, a standard way of doing something
[18:55] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:55] <charlvn> so you can re-use the same bit of code to handle any error for example
[18:55] <charlvn> typical programming term
[18:55] <charlvn> np
[18:56] <charlvn> ok i'm off, have a good evening all!
[18:56] <Kilos> i think i gonna do it and if im missing tomorrow then it didnt work well and im clean installing again
[18:56] <Kilos> night charlvn
[18:57] <Kilos> i go crash as well
[18:57] <Kilos> night nuvolari and all others
[18:57] <Kilos> sleep tight and warm
[18:57] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos
[18:57] <nuvolari> lekker slaap
[18:57]  * nuvolari is not far behind
[18:57] <Kilos> jy ook dankie seun
[19:36] <Squirm> its snowing again
[19:36] <Squirm> tomorrow will be white


[02:55] <locodir-user> changename
[02:55] <locodir-user> changename:azepromidi
[02:55] <locodir-user> help
[02:56] <locodir-user> i got a question because i moving away from windows  most of my server are now ubuntu server can i connect to network and view my files with linux mint
[02:58] <locodir-user> and what be the best way todo this


[01:03] <dolomite> hi everyone
[02:57] <ironhoof> I am trying to isntall off the live CD, the usb keyboard seems to work in grub, but soon as the desktop loads it no longer works
[02:57] <ironhoof> mouse or keyboard devices
[03:23] <ironhoof> Hmm, what could make the usb stop working after the desktop loads?
[03:25] <TheFakeazneD525> possibly a broken driver
[03:25] <TheFakeazneD525> or maybe just some random bug
[03:25] <TheFakeazneD525> remove all the plugs, and put them back in
[03:26] <ironhoof> Yea tried that, nothing plugged into usb 3 either, it works in grub just fine, but when the actual X system loads its gone. and cant really check it either because of no keyboard
[03:28] <TheFakeazneD525> odd
[03:28] <TheFakeazneD525> is this wireless hardware or wired
[03:28] <ironhoof> wired
[03:28] <ironhoof> The person im installing it forhas windows works in there too, and the uefi
[03:36] <ironhoof> Ah, his sound card isnt working either, might be conflicting, he may need to check a few things. Ahright thanks anyway its just one of those things.
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:08] <daum> hi all - what's the easiest way to downgrade chromium?
[12:08] <daum> 37's fonts are really weird for me and there doesn't seem to be a great way to fix it so was hoping to downgrade to 36
[12:09] <lordievader> daum: Uninstall it and install an earlier version. There is no way to actually track down what causes the 'weird' fonts?
[12:10] <lordievader> daum: Chromium 37 on Gentoo is fine. Haven't really noticed anything different about the fonts.
[12:10] <daum> i haven't been able to track down exact cause: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-bugs/bAnkMBFu5mE
[12:11] <daum> is closest to what i can find...its hard to describe as they aren't fuzzy persay...they just aren't rendered as nicely
[12:13] <lordievader> daum: What font settings do you use?
[12:14] <daum> lordievader, http://i.imgur.com/SmD0BKu.png
[12:14] <daum> am happy to switch those around but if you look that font looks really weird even in that screenshot, like not crisp right?
[12:15] <lordievader> I use "Century Schoolbook L" here without problems.
[12:16] <daum> for all of them or which ones
[12:17] <lordievader> daum: All, except fixed-with that is set to monospace.
[12:20] <daum> hmm
[12:20] <daum> well i'll try it, its of course hard to tell..i thought something was off yesterday after upgrading, but couldn't really tell until after 30-45 min and my eyes hurts
[12:37] <daum> lordievader, is there a way to run a standalone 36 next to my 37 to see if the fonts are as bad?
[12:42] <lordievader> daum: No idea, you could download the package, extract it and see.
[12:50] <daum> hmm
[12:52] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> Hallo, here.....
[12:53] <lordievader> o/
[12:54] <daum> lordievader, hmm is there a "proper" way to downgrade chrome for the timebeing?
[12:55] <lordievader> daum: I allready told you how to do that. Remove the package, download an earlier version and install that.
[13:05] <daum> lordievader, sorry failing miserably, where do i find the old versions accordint to apt-cache policy only 34 is the other option....and i can't find where it downloads the files when it installs them ha
[13:06] <daum> ah darn, found the spot it stores them but doesn't have the 36 deb in it
[13:06] <lordievader> daum: Launchpad.
[13:07] <lordievader> daum: https://launchpad.net/chromium-browser
[13:07] <nukecrasher53> hey everyone
[13:07] <nukecrasher53> how i can put compiz to be compatible with KDE?
[13:07] <lordievader> daum: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/36.0.1985.125-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~pkg1029
[13:08] <nukecrasher53> when i launch 'compiz --replace' the window borders are gone
[13:08] <lordievader> nukecrasher53: We have Kwin, no need for Compiz.
[13:09] <BluesKaj> nukecrasher53, why do you need compiz, kwin should do what you want , check system settings>desktop effects
[13:09] <nukecrasher53> so is it possible to replace KWin with compiz? is it possible?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> nukecrasher53, have you actually checked system settings>desktop effects first:
[13:10] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:43] <elmer__> Hi, i'd like to talk to the real wizard. Could anyone help me?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> elmer__, just ask your question
[13:47] <ikonia> is that a user ?
[13:48] <elmer__> She is an experinced magician...i guess!
[13:49] <ikonia> ok, so thats nothing to do with this channel
[13:49] <elmer__> i can find her maybe in sec channel.
[14:08] <elmer_> do u have any idea about Daniel J. Bernstein's deamontools package? (e.g. manual, or stg like)
[14:10] <lordievader> elmer_: If you mean that Windows thing, you are asking the wrong channel. This is Kubuntu support.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> probly doesn't know what kubuntu is :)
[14:15] <elmer_> man smdb (-F)
[14:15] <elmer_> *smbd
[14:15] <BluesKaj> ??
[14:18] <elmer_> SMB/CIFS services manual = man smbd
[14:19] <BluesKaj> and ?
[14:19] <lordievader> elmer_: Do you have a Kubuntu support question?
[14:54] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[14:55] <cousin_luigi> How do I launch systemsettings for root? xdg-su is not there.
[14:55] <lordievader> cousin_luigi: kdesudo systemsettings?
[14:56] <cousin_luigi> lordievader: doesn't work either
[14:57] <vipacrt> qualche ita che possa aiutarmi con il boot di windows 8.1
[14:57] <lordievader> cousin_luigi: As in the command doesn't exist?
[14:57] <lordievader> !it | vipacrt
[14:57] <vipacrt> per installare kubuntu
[14:58] <cousin_luigi> lordievader: uh oh, as in it didn't work earlier but now it does...my my
[14:58] <cousin_luigi> :)
[15:02] <cousin_luigi> all is well, thxkbai
[15:41] <vbgunz> anyone here know what's happening with Kate in regards to a backslash coming out as a W strikethrough?
[16:34] <lordievader> !pm | elmer_
[17:39] <mixim> Hi does anybody know release date of 14.10 ? Is kernel 3.17 planned therefore ?
[17:41] <tsimpson> mixim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:42] <mixim> thx mr/s simpson
[18:44]  * RedDeath Back
[22:18] <zxq9> Hrm. When I let a website dictate its own font I get missing glyph symbols (or wrong glyphs), but when I force the font set things display correctly. This is only on Ubuntu, though. Any ideas?
[22:20] <Tj__> Bout to download an image. Need advise. 32 or 64 Bit. It's going on 64Bit capable Hardware?
[22:21] <tsimpson> grab the  64bit version then
[22:21] <valorie> either will work, tj
[22:21] <zxq9> Tj__: 64 should also permit multi-lib, meaning you should be able to run both with 64, but only 32 if you do 32b
[22:21] <Tj__> Thank Will go with 64:)
[22:22] <zxq9> (Which can be annoying if you work on certain projects...)
[22:22] <valorie> for the above reasons, I always go 64 as well
[22:29] <Tj__> Does the 1gig iso burn to usb as well if unetbootin is used
[22:30] <zxq9> Tj__: Not sure -- I've always done local image or network installations.
[22:31] <zxq9> Someone around here probably knows, though. That sort of stuff is probably somewhere in the install docs, too.
[22:32] <Tj__> Also is there a wifi card driver in the install iso for an intel 7260ac wifi card? if not I will have to work around
[23:19] <dolomite> hi, every time I boot up the machine on 14.04 my HDD is being accessed non-stop (according to the HDD light on the front) for the first ~15 minutes. This causes some very slow computing during this time. Is there some indexing or other process I'm not aware of?
[23:20] <valorie> dolomite: try running `top` or `htop` in the konsole and see?
[23:20] <dolomite> nothing out of the ordinary
[23:21] <dolomite> is there a way to monitor data transfer to HDD?
[23:21] <dolomite> I never observed this issue prior to 14.04
[23:21] <tsimpson> I use iotop to see what's doing I/O
[23:22] <dolomite> perfect
[23:22] <dolomite> I think that's what I needed.  For months I wondered why Synaptic looked so ugly. Never investigated it, just lived with it. I even thought about tweaking the code to make it look better, but never did anything. Investigated yesterday. It's GTK themed! My desktop and windows are themed and highly customized. So why is Synaptic stuck in the 90's? Well, like I said.. MY desktop is themed. Not root's. :) Copied some
[23:27] <cjwelborn>  files over, ran systemsettings as root, and there you go. Lived with it for months thinking that the Synaptic developers were doing something wrong. It took 2 minutes to fix. Always investigate.
[23:27] <TheFakeazneD525> cjwelborn: sudo apt-get install muon -y
[23:27] <TheFakeazneD525> muon is a better version of synaptic made for KDE
[23:28] <TheFakeazneD525> and, doesn't lock up dpkg every time it's run
[23:28] <dolomite> "better"
[23:28] <dolomite> :)
[23:28] <valorie> synaptic isn't being actively developed, unless something has changed recently
[23:28] <valorie> muon IS being actively developed
[23:28] <dolomite> it's gotten quite a bit better no doubt
[23:29] <cjwelborn> TheFakeazneD525: Thanks, I do know about muon. I actually don't like it very much. I use it sometimes because it's kinda integrated with KDE, but it hides a little bit of information that Synaptic doesn't. Maybe there's just a setting I don't know about.
[23:29] <valorie> muon package, not muon discover, which is more like ubuntu software center
[23:30] <TheFakeazneD525> so valorie, SystemD confirmed for 15.04 or just a rumour
[23:30] <cjwelborn> Oh i see. KDE was running Muon discover. That's what I don't like. Looking at Muon Package Manager, it actually looks ok.
[23:30] <TheFakeazneD525> cjwelborn: :P
[23:30] <TheFakeazneD525> the naming is a tiny bit confusing...
[23:30] <valorie> oh, Mark Shuttleworth announced adoption, so it is not a rumor
[23:30] <valorie> timing, I don't recall
[23:32] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm, because someone who claims to work with Canonical on ubuntu touch, or something like that, said it was probably going to show up by V
[23:33] <TheFakeazneD525> hyperair was his nick
[23:33] <valorie> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[23:34] <TheFakeazneD525> PID EINS! :D
[23:34] <valorie> so he leaves timing up to the Technical Board
[23:35] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: probably the techboard mail list is the best place to follow that discussion
[23:37] <TheFakeazneD525> ah ok
[23:37] <TheFakeazneD525> thanks!


[00:02] <wxl> but gpg verifies it fine
[00:02] <cjwatson> doesn't here
[00:03]  * cjwatson applies guesswork
[00:03] <wxl> argh
[00:03] <cjwatson> >>> ctx.verify(StringIO(signature), StringIO("Well, there's certainly more information that needs to be added. See my previous message and we can go from there. Might be good to add version numbers of all the programs you use. In fact, just comparing those between trusty and vivid may reveal where the solution lies.\r\n\r\n status incomplete\r"), None)[0].status
[00:03] <cjwatson> that's the correct signed content, after applying various permutations
[00:04] <cjwatson> but crucially, your message was word-wrapped inside the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- part
[00:04] <wxl> oh noes it is incorrect
[00:04] <wxl> argh
[00:04]  * wxl shakes Gmail by the neck
[00:04] <wxl> just when i thought i had this all figured out
[00:04]  * wxl cries
[00:05] <cjwatson> so definitely not an LP bug, the message you put on pastebin is definitely incorrectly formed
[00:06] <wxl> well thanks for the help and sorry for wasting your time on it
[00:06] <wxl> i'll see if i can unearth the mysteries of gmail
[00:06] <cjwatson> no worries, it had the useful effect of getting us to fix our logging
[00:06] <wxl> well glad i could be of some help XD
[00:06] <cjwatson> and it certainly wasn't obvious
[00:32] <wgrant> cjwatson: I bump scripts to DEBUG when I see them and assess that it won't ENOSPC anything, basically.
[00:32] <wgrant> Most interesting things should be DEBUG by now.
[00:32] <cjwatson> Sounds reasonable.
[18:30] <irl> hi, anyone here a launchpad admin of some sort?
[18:31] <irl> need some help with someone claiming email addresses that do not belong to them
[18:35] <ki7mt> Hi irl, I was just about to post the same thing, I have the email, just need to know where to send the info.
[18:36] <irl> ki7mt: in #ubuntu-devel, someone replied
[18:38] <ki7mt> I sent the message to the launchpad feedback email address as the message stated to do.
[18:43] <dobey> huh?
[18:43] <irl> ki7mt: it's fixed
[18:44] <dobey> oh, weird
[21:41] <gsilva> Hello all. I need help setting up my @ubuntu.com mail alias. I was able to do everything as the Wiki recommends but, for some reason, I can't send emails. However, I do receive them
[21:43] <wgrant> gsilva: Launchpad doesn't manage those aliases, it just provides the membership data. #canonical-sysadmin might be able to help you.
[21:44] <gsilva> thank you, wgrant
[21:59] <dobey> i think we also don't provide an STMP server for it, so if you can't send mails, it's likely an issue with your SMTP config, or an issue with whatever server you're using not allowing you to send with a From that doesn't match your account or something
[22:04] <gsilva> Well, I use Gmail. According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail, it should work
[22:06] <dobey> what is failing exactly?
[22:16] <gsilva> Can I paste here the message from the mail delivery subsystem?
[22:17] <wgrant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:17] <wgrant> But this really isn't the right channel.
[22:18] <dobey> yeah, most likely an issue that you need to discuss with google, or whomever owns the endpoint you're trying to send to and is returning you a delivery failure. but i'm just curious as to what the actual issue is, just for the knowledge :)
[22:18] <gsilva> dobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11102860/
[22:19] <dobey> so your smtp auth failed
[22:19] <dobey> that's a config issue on your end
[22:19] <gsilva> as I said, I followed the steps from that Wiki page
[22:34] <dobey> i don't know. contact google support maybe about configuring gmail to send from an alias
[22:35] <dobey> it's not an issue with launchpad or ubuntu
[22:35] <dobey> the directions listed in the wiki should work. maybe google changed something though
[22:35] <dobey> anyway, time for me to go
[22:35] <gsilva> Thank you. Will give it a try


[05:12] <Kilos> morning all
[05:31] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[05:34] <Kilos> ok bye
[06:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:18] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:18] <Kilos> another year almost in the bag
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:41] <Kilos> wbb
[08:48]  * superfly prods Kilos with a blunt stick
[08:49] <Kilos> lol hi superfly
[08:49] <Kilos> im glad its only a blunt one
[08:49] <Vince-0> !
[08:50] <superfly> hi Vince-0
[08:50]  * superfly goes off to start the braai
[08:50] <Kilos> yum
[08:51] <Vince-0> ya
[09:00] <Kilos> aquarat, you have a sick connection there today
[09:46] <Kilos> hehe
[11:23] <charl__> good afternoon
[11:23] <charl__> Maaz: coffee on
[11:23]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl__!
[11:31] <kbmonkey> happy new year for all,before it hits us later!
[12:05] <charl__> hi kbmonkey
[12:22] <charl__> hi Wraz, Gotango
[12:23] <Gotango> hi charl___
[14:07] <Kilos> aw i was asleep
[14:33] <Kilos> Maaz, tell GoTango might take a few days extra with the holidays between
[14:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Gotango on freenode
[15:49] <Kilos> hi cyclotron
[15:49] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:15] <Kilos> hi charl__
[16:16] <Kilos> why such a long tail?
[16:19] <charl__> seems like a lot of charl's on this network
[16:19] <charl__> whow beginning to sound like a real warzone outside
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe
[16:20] <charl__> which it also is at this point
[16:20] <charl__> i will stay inside until tomorrow :)
[17:24] <Kilos> whew still 4 1/2 hours to go here
[17:24] <Kilos> nz and aus had big fireworks displays hours ago already
[17:25] <Kilos> shumi had second head op and they say he is slightly improved
[17:36] <charl__> phew big fireworks show here in the city
[17:37] <charl__> still 5,5 hours to go
[20:51] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:51] <Kilos> too tired to wait for fp


[02:35] <hallyn_> SpamapS: is there a good reason not to have the host mount the iscsi target, and then bind-mount that into the contaienr?
[03:21] <Guest39238> samba question can I use ".nogroup" as a group with users in it or should I make a new group then add users to it?
[03:31] <ubuntutis> anybody know what programming languages i should use to make a chatbox
[03:56] <raub> In 10.04, dovecot in ubuntu had two separate config files, /etc/dovecot/auth.d/01-dovecot-postfix.auth and /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-dovecot-postfix.conf
[03:57] <raub> But now in 12.04 it has only the conf.d directory with a ton of files in it. How do they relate?
[06:28] <bombev> hello
[06:28] <bombev> I am running Ubuntu Linux 12.04.1 is there some manual to show me how to configure two ISP and to switch it via ssh?
[06:35] <warzauwynn> bombev: can you be more specific about your setup?  how are these ISPs connected to your ubuntu machine?  how do you intend these two networks to work together?
[07:34] <lpapp> hi, is there anyone using wsgi and ubuntu here? my wsgi file does not seem to load through apache (mod-wsgi). I see the raw content rather than getting it interpreted through the wsgi protocol. This is a ubuntu 10.04 server, and almost the same vhost config file works on another Ubuntu server which is version 12.04.
[07:37] <lpapp> here you can find my vhost site config file, http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/pb2efb5f7/
[07:38] <rbasak> Are you missing a WSGIScriptAlias directive?
[07:38]  * rbasak hasn't read the paste
[07:38] <lpapp> At least there is one there.
[07:42] <lpapp> rbasak: I have this, WSGIScriptAlias / /var/www/foo/foo.wsgi
[07:43] <rbasak> I don't know then. Sorry.
[07:44] <lpapp> rbasak: ok, np. Hopefully someone has already done something like this or/and have a clue. :-)
[08:35] <rbasak> roaksoax: have you seen bug 1227252?
[08:57] <lpapp> anyone having any ideas?
[10:45] <jamespage> roaksoax, was there a specific reason the squid-deb-proxy-client-(udeb) packages only reside in universe?
[11:35] <freakynl> Hi, the auto updates are nice et all, but is there an auto garbage cleaner as well?
[11:36] <freakynl> Many boxes fall over due to the sick amount of kernel images (or more notably - initrd's) that are kept around. Just had another machine with 6GB storage that only had 2.5GB in use after first install fall over cuz it was full (it only runs powerdns, which stores a little data in mysql but that's about it)
[11:44] <greppy> freakynl: there is an apt-get autoremove, which may help.
[12:24] <freakynl> greppy: hmm last time I used that it didn't remove any kernels at all, now it removed some (left 5 lying around)
[12:25] <freakynl> Just running: 'dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge' - reduced consumed diskspace (grew it first as dpkg obviously crashed configuring kernel w/o diskspace) from 76% to 22.6% on a 5GB (now 7) disk - removing nothing but kernels, initrd's and kernel headers... I can't believe how long they ignore this issue. Auto update shou
[13:48] <roaksoax> jamespage: i didn't know s-d-p-client packages were in universe.. we werent the ones who filed a MIR for it
[13:48] <roaksoax> afaikl
[13:49] <jamespage> roaksoax, oh
[13:49] <roaksoax> jamespage: oh nevermind I guess I did
[13:49] <roaksoax> jamespage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid-deb-proxy/+bug/961726
[13:49] <jamespage> roaksoax, I thought so
[13:50] <roaksoax> jamespage: so I'm guessing it's because they weren't seeded ?
[13:50] <jamespage> roaksoax, probably - I just wanted to check to see if there where any other reasons why not
[13:50] <roaksoax> jamespage: same has happened for maas-dns/maas-dhcp
[13:50] <jamespage> roaksoax, reference is bug 1183326
[13:51] <jamespage> folks are trying to use the udeb in d-i installs but it borkes
[13:51] <roaksoax> jamespage: right, but d-i with internet access should still obtain the package, shouildn't it?
[13:51] <roaksoax> jamespage: and yeah, I have no idea why they were left out, but judging for the MIR bug, they shouldn't have been
[13:52] <roaksoax> jamespage: i guess we need to seed them
[13:57] <roaksoax> jamespage: are you officially back btw?
[13:57] <jamespage> roaksoax, yep
[13:58] <roaksoax> cool
[14:11] <zul> jamespage:  since you are here https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/deps/+merge/186553
[14:13] <jamespage> zul, do those need to be applied to the binary package depends as well?
[14:13] <zul> jamespage:  *sigh* yeah probably
[14:14] <jamespage> zul, :-)
[14:20] <zul> jamespage:  im thinking we should be explicit in the binary deps as well and not rely on pydist
[14:23] <jamespage> zul, I think that makes sense
[14:29] <zul> jamespage:  done
[14:30] <jamespage> zul, does dh_python not do the versioned depends on the binary package automatically?
[14:30] <zul> jamespage:  i dont think so
[14:30] <zul> better safer than sorry though
[14:32] <jamespage> zul, headache tho
[14:32] <zul> jamespage:  true we need a way to automate this kind of stuff
[15:22] <jamespage> zul, SQLAlchemy>=0.7.8,<0.8
[15:23] <zul> jamespage:  ?
[15:23] <jamespage> zul, thats in the requires of ceilometer
[15:23] <jamespage> we have 0.8.2
[15:23] <zul> jamespage:  yeah its patched
[15:23] <jamespage> so entry points bork
[15:23] <jamespage> no its not
[15:23] <zul> isnt it?
[15:24] <jamespage> zul, no - you dropped it
[15:24] <jamespage>   * debian/patches/fix-setup-requirements.patch: Dropped no longer
[15:24] <jamespage>     needed.
[15:24] <zul> why the hell did i do that?
[15:24] <zul> ill patch it
[15:25] <jamespage> zul, no idea
[15:26] <jamespage> adam_g, where are we up to with charm redux testing and stuff? I need to be reminded
[15:26] <zul> jamespage:  alright review branch for that one after
[15:28] <jkyle> When pxe booting an ubuntu server, is the file located at /preseed.cfg during installation the one being used?
[15:28] <jamespage> zul, I like your versioning:
[15:28] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/python-wsme/0.5b5-1ubuntu0
[15:29] <zul> jamespage: thanks! :P
[15:29] <jamespage> zul, you need to drink more wakeup juice in the mornings :-)
[15:30] <zul> jamespage:  meh
[15:33] <jamespage> zul, do you want to push the version fixup to that deps branch? I'd like to test it out and I'm blocked right now
[15:33] <zul> jamespage:  sure gimme a sec
[15:36] <jkyle> I'm getting the following error during install of ubuntu
[15:36] <jkyle> "The following packages have unmet dependencies language-selector-common depends accountsservice"
[15:36] <zul> jamespage:  done
[15:36] <jkyle> 12.04.2
[15:37] <miketeevee> hi guys, i'm having a fork issue, can someone help me?  10.04 LTS works, 12.04.3 with the same code forks way too much memory
[15:37] <jkyle> I'm aware of the fix for these types of errors  in a running os, apt-get install -f, but how do you resolve this when the installer itself is throwing the error?
[15:37] <zul> jamespage:  we have alot of extra crap in nova deps that we dont need anymore
[15:37] <miketeevee> i have my findings in a gist
[15:37] <miketeevee> https://gist.github.com/michael-trelinski
[15:37] <miketeevee> i feel like it's a kernel flag i need to set, but i can't find it
[15:39] <D`Fam> !scans
[15:44] <jgornick> Hey guys, is there something out there that presents a user with a configuration screen or a status screen after an Ubuntu virtual appliance is booted? In my VM window, I would like to see a summary of system information, primarily network information.
[15:46] <Rory> jgornick: Would it be acceptable to show this information in the Message of the Day that appears on a sucesfull console login?
[15:46] <jgornick> Rory: Might be acceptable :)
[15:46] <jgornick> Rory: Looking for something like this: https://github.com/turnkeylinux/confconsole
[15:48] <Rory> jgornick: If you put shell scripts in the /etc/update-motd.d/ folder they are executed in order on each login
[16:00] <rbasak> jgornick: you could replace the login on vt1 with a status screen if you like. The job runs from /etc/init/tty1.conf.
[16:00] <rbasak> jgornick: (by running getty with an alternate program)
[16:01] <rbasak> Be careful to make sure that the user can't interrupt it to get a root shell or something though
[16:03] <plm> Hi all
[16:03] <Rory> Hi plm
[16:03] <plm> people I have a process running in my server but I don't know who/how it is calling. It is rsyn. I ps aux | grep -i rsync show this: # ps ax | grep -i rsync 7683 ?        Ss     8:59 rsync --server --sender -vlogDtprz . /wts/
[16:03] <plm> I'm not use rsync
[16:04] <plm> how I know what script are calling that?
[16:05] <Rory> plm: if you run the command "ps l" and find the process, look at the PPID column to find the PID of the process which spawned it
[16:05] <Rory> PPID is Parent process ID I think
[16:17] <jamespage> zul, ceilometer needs seeding for main inclusion
[16:18] <jamespage> zul, I pushed your branch - thanks
[16:19] <jamespage> zul, its not a fault of that change by ceilometer need python-babel as well now
[16:19] <jamespage> ceilometer-common fails in a clean chroot
[16:20] <plm> Rory: ps l | grep -i rsync not show about rsync...
[16:21] <Rory> plm: You need to do it when it's actually running, as the user that rsync is running as, or with sudo
[16:21] <plm> Rory: it are running
[16:21] <plm> # ps ux | grep -i rsync
[16:21] <plm> root     18090 47.7  4.2  46516 43252 ?        Rs   13:08   7:19 rsync --server --sender -vlogDtprz . /CSP/
[16:21] <plm> Rory:
[16:21] <plm> # ps a | grep -i rsync
[16:21] <plm> 19093 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep -i rsync
[16:22] <Rory> OK plm so now do "ps l | grep 18090"
[16:22] <plm> Rory: # ps l | grep 18090
[16:22] <plm> 0     0 19148  9019  15   0   2880   796 pipe_w S+   pts/1      0:00 grep 18090
[16:23] <Rory> plm: basically you need to catch the process when it's running. Find out it's PID and then use ps l to find its parent
[16:23] <plm> Rory: it are running..
[16:24] <plm> are always running
[16:24] <Rory> plm: sudo ps l | grep 18[0]90
[16:25] <Rory> The 4th column will be the parent process of PID 18090
[16:25] <miketeevee> i summarized my question into a stack overflow thread, much help would be appreciated with this fork issue http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18900127/how-do-i-control-the-vmem-when-forking-having-a-same-code-same-java-issue-on-di
[16:25] <plm> Rory: I think I find: other machine are doing a sync for this server...
[16:26] <zul> jamespage:  argh ok
[16:26] <plm> Rory: but rsync start in other machine, I not knew that in client rsync show as process too
[16:30] <adam_g> jamespage, https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers
[16:33] <jamespage> adam_g, right - I see we still need to push in the fast exit stuff and clearing of relations for non-leaders
[16:33] <jamespage> right?
[16:35] <adam_g> jamespage, yeah, what is the fast exit stuff?
[16:35] <jamespage> adam_g, in contexts - when the first complete context found gets returned
[16:36] <jamespage> right now the contexts in helpers iterate all relations and then check the last one
[16:36] <jamespage> relations/units rather
[16:36] <adam_g> oh right
[16:36] <jamespage> actually relations and units
[16:36] <jamespage> although two would be odd
[16:36] <jamespage> (relations that is)
[16:37] <adam_g> jamespage, there is a charm-helpers branch there as well, that is the sync source for all those charms
[16:37] <jamespage> adam_g, right
[16:37] <jamespage> adam_g, I can find some time to work throught that tomorrow PM
[16:37] <jamespage> (know you are busy)
[16:37] <adam_g> jamespage, cool.
[16:38] <adam_g> jamespage, are you back?
[16:38] <jamespage> adam_g, yes
[16:38] <adam_g> w00t
[16:38] <jamespage> (althought not around my time tomorrow am)
[16:44] <zul> jamespage/adam_g: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/ (for bug #1227266)
[16:49] <jamespage> zul, ooo
[16:49] <jamespage> zul, tricksy
[16:50] <zul> yep
[16:50] <zul> its apparently apart of the chef cookbooks
[16:56] <jamespage> zul, +1
[16:56] <zul> jamespage:  cool thanks
[17:04] <miketeevee> where's the best place to post my ubuntu server problem to?
[17:04] <miketeevee> messageboard-wise
[17:04] <miketeevee> stackoverflow? ubuntuforums (hacked?)?
[17:05] <rbasak> If you can phrase it as a general question that can apply to others, askubuntu is good.
[17:06] <miketeevee> irc channel?
[17:06] <miketeevee> ah i see
[17:10] <zul> adam_g:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/house-cleaning/+merge/186588
[17:13] <adam_g> zul, ack. might take me a bit to get through that one
[17:14] <zul> adam_g:  yeah im going through everything with a fine tooth comb today
[17:14] <adam_g> zul, awesome
[17:33] <raub> I know that due to resolvconf I can have dns-nameservers in /etc/networks/interfaces
[17:34] <raub> But, can I also have the "options" or osmething equivalent in the same file, so it is loaded into /etc/resolv.conf?
[17:34] <raub> Or should I put it in  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail?
[17:36] <sarnold> raub: resolvconf(8) suggests the ../tail answer is the right answer
[17:55] <tonyyarusso> raub: I think you can have dns-options lines in the interfaces file too
[17:59] <adam_g> zul, added one comment to that merge but looks good otherwise i think
[18:00] <zul> adam_g: cool
[18:30] <GarrettKajmowicz> Greetings! How can I go about resuming the boot process in 12.04 after I've been dumped to the Busybox shell and manually mounted the root filesystem? Alternatively, how can I figure out why I'm being dumped to busybox and fix the issue so my server can boot normally?
[18:30] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: error message on screen normally gives a clue
[18:30] <GarrettKajmowicz> I'm "running" 12.04 LTS. This problem started right after I upgraded from 10.04 LTS. The old kernel image still boots correctly, but the new ones don't.
[18:33] <sarnold> GarrettKajmowicz: at least in the old days, ^D would exit a rescue shell and continue booting, dunno if that's still true, but I hope it is. :)
[18:33] <ikonia> it's going to busy box
[18:33] <ikonia> ctrl +d won't do anything
[18:35] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: I don't recall a particular error message. I'm just dumped to the shell. The root filesystem isn't mounted, and manually typing "mount /dev/md0 /root -o ro" works just fine.
[18:35] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: so you're using a raid device
[18:35] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: it's possible it's not able to mount the root file system at boot time,
[18:35] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: Yes - RAID1.
[18:35] <ikonia> check the initramfs
[18:36] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: How can it not be possible to mount the root fs at boot time if I've done so from the busybox shell? Isn't that what the initramfs is for?
[18:37] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: What would you like me to check in the initramfs?
[18:37] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: could be a delay in assembling the array
[18:37] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: or your mdadm.conf could be wrong so it tries to assemble it wrong
[18:37] <ikonia> (just easy / common issues with it)
[18:37] <GarrettKajmowicz> I've added rootdelay=30 to the kernel boot parameters and it boots and dumps to the shell within 5 seconds. It's 2 disks, 1 of which is a SSD.
[18:38] <zul> adam_g:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/cinder/housecleaning/+merge/186612
[18:38] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: you're doing software mirroring on SSD's ??
[18:38] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: If it was wrong, why would mounting it work correctly with no additional interventions?
[18:38] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: they won't last long
[18:39] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: The math I've done said it shouldn't be a problem. In any case, that isn't the immediate concern.
[18:40] <ikonia> understood
[18:41] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: Where can I go from here to attempt to diagnose this issue? I've been trying to address this since July.  :-(
[18:41] <ikonia> since july !
[18:41] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: first thing is look at the grub config - check it's valid, check it's pointing at the right locations, and that the files are there and valid
[18:42] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: Extra data: http://askubuntu.com/questions/307509/upgrade-to-12-04lts-dumps-to-busybox-on-boot
[18:43] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: are you sure it's not upgraded grub and should be using grub.conf now ?
[18:45] <GarrettKajmowicz> Grub seems to boot fine. It gets new kernel images as they are added.
[18:45] <GarrettKajmowicz> Grub is version 0.97. I don't think grub2 started being used until a newer Ubuntu version. (I'm running 12.04 LTS).
[18:45] <ikonia> so you're confident it's still reading from menu.lst not grub.conf
[18:46] <ikonia> 12.04 uses grub2 by default, but that doesn't mean it's upgraded yours
[18:46] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: for arguments sake, break the kernel line - point it at a wrong filename see if it errors and what it errors
[18:47] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: I can't do that at the moment (I'm at work, server's at home). I will do so once I get home tonight, however.
[18:48] <ikonia> GarrettKajmowicz: ping me when you get home, maybe interesting to work it through
[18:49] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: Absolutely. Will you be here on in about 3-4 hours?
[18:49] <ikonia> I suspect so
[18:50] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: Okay - I'll come and harass you then. I'll be typing via smartphone instead of keyboard, so that'll be interesting.
[18:51] <ikonia> we can work with that
[19:12] <mgw> I'm trying to figure out the best way to calculate cpu usage on an lxc container
[19:12] <mgw> is there something in cgroups that will give me that, or do I need to use ps and then compare cpu% against the cpushares?
[19:40] <adam_g> zul,  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/house-cleaning/+merge/186588 <- you merged before approved?
[19:42] <zul> adam_g:  yeah did the wrong alias i have locally
[19:42] <zul> sorry about that wont happen again
[19:42] <adam_g> zul, its okay
[19:43] <adam_g> zul, im gonna push a fix to put the python-six version specification in d/control
[19:43] <zul> adam_g:  ack
[19:43]  * zul disapears for a while
[19:45] <adam_g> zul, also.. i know i mentioned before but please get out of the habbit of pushing directly to the branches.
[21:08] <adam_g> zul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cliff/+bug/1227884  no idea how that didn't FTBFS in the archive.. but trying to backport to precise is failing
[21:38] <maxped> hey guys, dumb question. Why does one computer, my ubuntu-server ver 12.04, get an unusally high ip number from my router? everything else, iphones, androids, other laptops, get <IP_ADDRESS>-109. the ubuntu server gets *.119. when i try to set static and match setting on router reservation list i can never acess from outside the network. any input? TIA!
[21:39] <RoyK> maxped: the dhcp server is doing the job ;)
[21:42] <maxped> RoyK: thanks for the reply, i thought the reservation on the router was above anything else. i obviously need to learn more, but is this problem more wifi-router or ubuntu settings? so i know where to start to look. i think router.
[21:43] <bjf> on a maas server what does "node added but never seen" mean?
[21:43] <bjf> i'm trying to enroll a single system
[21:45] <maxped> RoyK: and why so high an ip? why not just next available?
[21:45] <RoyK> no idea
[21:46] <maxped> RoyK: hmmm...thanks.
[22:09] <jkyle> so, I've discovered the current 12.04.3 version of precise has a broken openvswitch module  out the box
[22:09] <jkyle> fix is to roll back the kernel or build your own module with a current ovs version. Is there a backports that might have the current ovs versions for precise?
[22:14] <jkyle> ah, thanks for the blog post Mr. Page => http://javacruft.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/openvswitch-for-ubuntu-12-04-3-lts/
[22:21] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia_: I'm baaaack!
[22:21] <bananapie> is there a way I can execute a program and see all the files it accesses or tries to access ?
[22:22] <warzauwynn> bananapie: strace cmd
[22:22] <bananapie> cool :D
[22:22] <GarrettKajmowicz> bananapie: strace
[22:25] <bananapie> YES! This is exactly what I needed. Thanks warzauwynn and GarrettKajmowicz. I see hundreds of 'no such file or directory' errors :D
[22:26] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia_: I tried getting grub to boot non-existant kernels or initramfs and grub properly detected that the file didn't exist.
[22:26] <sarnold> bananapie: skip past the usual ld stuff at the beginning, there's always hundreds or thousands of those..
[22:28] <bananapie> thanks
[22:36] <GarrettKajmowicz> ikonia: I managed to save dmsg output from a failed boot: pastebin.ca/2455008
[22:40] <sarnold> GarrettKajmowicz: is this bit intentional? Kernel command line: root=/dev/md0 ro debug
[22:43] <GarrettKajmowicz> sarnold: I added 'debug' for this run only. The other flags have been part of the boot params forever.
[22:43] <sarnold> GarrettKajmowicz: aha :)
[22:44] <sarnold> .. sure enough, my /proc/cmdline has an 'ro' in it too. sheesh. I need to look around more. :)
[22:46] <GarrettKajmowicz> I think the idea is to mount the rootfs ro until it is confident of being able to actually boot the system  so as to avoid powering down with a dirty fs.
[22:52] <GarrettKajmowicz> I'm back. Webchat + phone browset + phone multitasking = frustration
[22:55] <sarnold> GarrettKajmowicz: :/ you missed nothing while you were gone though
[22:55] <GarrettKajmowicz> Any other stuff you'd suggest I look at?
[22:55] <shauno> it's quite normal to boot readonly and remount rw mid-boot.  I think it remounts right after it decides if fsck is to be run (because fsck on a rw partition is mindboggling)
[22:57] <sarnold> hrm, /var/log/boot.log is remarkably .. short of information
[22:58] <sarnold> can you poke around in your logs to find corresponding userspace messages from the failed boots?
[23:01] <GarrettKajmowicz> sarnold: Can you clarify? In failed boots userspace doesn't get a chance to run, and the filesystem is never mounted rw to be able to save anything anyways.
[23:02] <sarnold> GarrettKajmowicz: oh right :( It it is just that dmesg is only one part of the problem, and nothing there particularly stands out as troublesome. (the days-since-fsck isn't great but also shouldn't explain the busybox shell.)
[23:07] <GarrettKajmowicz> Right. Busybox shell is repeatable. Server booted up with an older kernel and successfully ran fsck.
[23:10] <GarrettKajmowicz> sarnold: What else can I do to investigate?
[23:27] <GarrettKajmowicz> I'm somewhat frustrated at this point. I need to be running the new kernels to address a munor networking issue, yet there don't seem to be any diagnostics for the boot subsystem.
[23:54] <gartral> how can I make a folder have group read/write perms and make that inherent to all *future* directories and files in that folder?
[23:55] <gartral> /s/folder/directories
[23:58] <sarnold> gartral: there is nothing you can do to force specific _permissions_ on files and subdirectories. the only things you can change are (a) set the setgid bit on the directory to force all future subdirectories and files to have the same group _ownership_ (b) set the sticky bit to prevent users from deleting files and directories they do not own.
[23:59] <gartral> sarnold: that first one seems like what I want
[23:59] <sarnold> gartral: you could try hacking something together with e.g. incron, but it'd be easy to write a security problem that way :)