[00:00]  * Unit193 waves
[00:01] <pleia2> just trying to get quorum and then we'll start the americas board meeting :)
[00:03]  * ddecator crosses fingers that it happens this time
[00:03]  * Amaranth looks around
[00:03]  * iheartubuntu has arrived
[00:04] <pleia2> just waiting for one more board member
[00:10] <jcastro> DBO: woo!
[00:11] <pleia2> ok, we have quorum :)
[00:11] <ddecator> :)
[00:11] <beuno> sorry I'm late
[00:11] <beuno> (I have no good excuse!)
[00:13] <nhandler> #startmeeting
[00:13] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:13. The chair is nhandler.
[00:13] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:13] <nhandler> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for Thursday, March 17. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:13] <nhandler> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[00:13] <nhandler> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:13] <nhandler> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:14] <nhandler> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:14] <nhandler> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:14] <nhandler> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:14] <nhandler> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:14] <nhandler> [TOPIC] geeknik
[00:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  geeknik
[00:14] <pleia2> doesn't seem to be around
[00:15] <nhandler> I just sent him a PM
[00:15] <nhandler> If he shows up, we can come back to him
[00:15] <nhandler> [TOPIC] matthewrohaly
[00:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  matthewrohaly
[00:16] <nhandler> Ah, here is geeknik
[00:16] <nhandler> [TOPIC] geeknik
[00:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  geeknik
[00:16] <nhandler> geeknik: Care to introduce yourself?
[00:17] <geeknik> Hi. My name is Brian, I'm a 34 year old computer geek from Oklahoma. I just got back from San Francisco and was just hired by OpenDNS.com. I've been a Linux user since 1995.
[00:17] <geeknik> I'm also an Android kernel hacker and Firefox developer.
[00:18] <nhandler> geeknik: I notice you contribute to firefox, any plans to get involved with the Ubuntu mozilla team?
[00:18] <DBO> im here
[00:18] <geeknik> I haven't really thought about that, but I'm sure I could lend some expertise to the team. =)
[00:18] <DBO> crap
[00:18] <nhandler> DBO: We are not up to you yet (we started late)
[00:18] <DBO> wooo
[00:18] <ddecator> the mozilla team could always use extra help :)
[00:19] <nhandler> :)
[00:19] <nhandler> geeknik: Have you done any LoCo work?
[00:19] <geeknik> No, I have not.
[00:19] <greg-g> geeknik: is there one relatively near you?
[00:20] <geeknik> There does seem to be an Oklahoma LoCo team, according to the website.
[00:20] <geeknik> It's based in Tulsa, about 2 hours NE of where I live now.
[00:21] <greg-g> yep, and a channel at #ubuntu-us-ok
[00:21] <pleia2> geeknik: your wiki page doesn't have a lot of detail, are there any specific teams in ubuntu you work with?
[00:21] <greg-g> geeknik: is there any direct to Ubuntu contribution you can point me toward?
[00:22] <geeknik> I haven't worked directly with any teams unfortunately.
[00:22] <beuno> geeknik, hi
[00:23] <beuno> it looks like you're off to a good start
[00:23] <geeknik> I have submitted some bugs to Launchpad, I believe a couple might still be open. Most of my work with Ubuntu has been local tech support and advocacy. =)
[00:23] <greg-g> geeknik: so, I can see that you have a ton of experience in Firefox and linux in general, but I would love to see some more direct to Ubuntu contributions, say, with the Mozilla team
[00:23] <geeknik> greg-g: I can do that.
[00:23] <beuno> but I think you should build a bit more of a track record
[00:23] <pleia2> Mozilla team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam
[00:23] <beuno> geeknik, get more involved in the community in general, meet some people
[00:23] <nhandler> There is also the security team if you want to put your security knoweldge to good use
[00:23] <beuno> it's important to be a part of the community
[00:23]  * geeknik nods.
[00:24] <beuno> geeknik, so, how about you invest some time in that, and come back in a few months?
[00:24] <greg-g> geeknik: really, looking at your track record, it probably wouldn't be difficult for you :)
[00:24] <geeknik> beuno: Definitely. =) How about I come back around August/September and see where we stand?
[00:25] <geeknik> I'll dive in headfirst and come back strong. ;)
[00:25] <pleia2> geeknik: sounds great!
[00:25] <beuno> geeknik, sure, whenever you feel you're ready again. Feel free to ping any of us and review a bit beforehand if unsure
[00:25] <nhandler> geeknik: We look forward to seeing you then
[00:25] <greg-g> geeknik: awesome!
[00:25] <geeknik> Thanks guys, I appreciate your time. =)
[00:25] <nhandler> [TOPIC] ddecator
[00:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  ddecator
[00:25] <beuno> thanks geeknik!
[00:25] <nhandler> ddecator: Care to introduce yourself?
[00:25] <ddecator> Right. First, wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ddecator
[00:25] <greg-g> geeknik: anytime, and feel free to ping me on IRC (I'm in #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-us-mi and #ubuntu-community-team :) )
[00:26] <greg-g> ah, dang, missed him
[00:26] <ddecator> My name is Draycen (aka, "Dray") and I'm a college undergraduate majoring in Psychology. Ubuntu is a hobby of mine, and I really enjoy contributing in any way I can. In the past, that has mostly been with the BugSquad and Ubuntu Beginners Team.
[00:26] <nhandler> ddecator: Don't forget the Ubuntu Chicago LoCo :)
[00:27] <ddecator> I plan to continue working with those two teams, but also increase my involvement with the Chicago LoCo and the Mozilla Team.
[00:27] <nhandler> :)
[00:27] <greg-g> awesome, I've seen your name around some with the Mozilla team
[00:27] <greg-g> and in -bugs, of course
[00:27] <pleia2> great wiki page (and testimonials!)
[00:27] <ddecator> As you may notice, I had several months where I was inactive. That was due to a scheduling conflict, which should be resolved :)
[00:27] <beuno> ddecator, wow, that's quite wiki page!
[00:28] <ddecator> beuno: Thanks :)
[00:28] <nhandler> ddecator: Any progress on starting up the Chicago Ubuntu Hours (or whatever we are calling them) ?
[00:28] <ddecator> nhandler: Not yet, I plan on working on that when I get back to the city next week
[00:28] <nhandler> Awesome ddecator !
[00:29] <beuno> ddecator, I think your wiki page speaks for itself. I have one question for you:   what do you think we could improve in the Ubuntu community?
[00:31] <ddecator> beuno: I think we can be much more accessible and much less overwhelming/daunting to new users, especially those who aren't the most tech-savvy. Right now, there is inconsistancy in the wikis, overwhelming information on the web, and a lot of conflicting advice. For the new user, who may still think Linux is all CLI, they are less likely to switch when they encounter all of that.
[00:31] <pleia2> good answer :)
[00:31]  * greg-g nods
[00:31] <beuno> indeed
[00:31] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should ddecator become an Ubuntu Member?
[00:31] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should ddecator become an Ubuntu Member?.
[00:31] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:31] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:31] <nhandler> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:31] <pleia2> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:31] <greg-g> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:32] <beuno> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:32] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[00:32] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[00:32] <nhandler> Congratulations ddecator !
[00:32] <ddecator> Thank you very much everyone :)
[00:32] <sagaci> well done ddecator
[00:32] <pleia2> congrats ddecator! :)
[00:32] <greg-g> congratulations ddecator
[00:33] <nhandler> [TOPIC] DBO
[00:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  DBO
[00:33] <beuno> \o/ ddecator
[00:33] <DBO> congrats ddecator
[00:33] <greg-g> welcome, finally, DBO :)
[00:33] <DBO> :) good to be here
[00:33] <pleia2> DBO: care to introduce yourself?
[00:34] <DBO> sure, so I am a 23 year old programmer out of Kalamazoo, MI
[00:34] <DBO> I contributed heavily to Beryl, Compiz, GNOME Do, and authored Docky in the past
[00:34] <DBO> as well I have been an IRC moderator on the ubuntu channels a couple years back
[00:34] <DBO> you can see my wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jassmith
[00:35] <DBO> currently I am employed by Canonical as a member of the DX team working on Unity
[00:35] <lifeless> he's trouble :)
[00:35]  * beuno agrees
[00:35] <DBO> heh
[00:35] <greg-g> yeah, I remember meeting him for the first time at Penguicon, no good :P
[00:36] <ddecator> it's a michigander thing ;)
[00:36] <DBO> Penguicon rocked... the tron guy was classic
[00:36] <greg-g> :)
[00:36] <greg-g> speaking of which, why aren't you in the #ubuntu-us-mi channel anymore? :)
[00:36] <pleia2> DBO: how long have you been with canonical?
[00:37] <DBO> about 1.5 years now
[00:37] <DBO> greg-g, because I never re-added it to my autojoin out of sheer laziness (honesty is the best policy?)
[00:37] <pleia2> hehe
[00:37] <DBO> fixed
[00:37] <greg-g> DBO: fine with me, as long as you didn't say we bored you ;)
[00:38] <jcastro> I'd like to add a few vouches for DBO. He's been working real hard on Unity
[00:38] <jcastro> but has made time for forums, IRC sessions
[00:38] <DBO> too late!
[00:38] <greg-g> thanks much for that, jcastro
[00:38] <jcastro> and answering people's questions on Reddit and Ask
[00:38] <pleia2> brave soul :)
[00:38] <jcastro> he missed his last membership application because he was coding and spaced out, and almost did this time too.
[00:38] <DBO> oh yeah, I did a reddit AMA a couple weeks back
[00:38] <jcastro> It's 8:38pm local time for him
[00:38] <jcastro> which kind of speaks for itself, that's really all I have to say
[00:39]  * beuno substracts 10 points for not being able to multitask
[00:39] <greg-g> jcastro: thanks buddy.
[00:39] <DBO> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/en0ti/i_am_an_ubuntu_unity_developer_ama/
[00:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/en0ti/i_am_an_ubuntu_unity_developer_ama/
[00:39] <DBO> i guess that was more than a couple weeks back
[00:40] <beuno> a month, to be exact  :)
[00:40] <jcastro> Plus he's really the most approachable person on the Unity team for users, and he's been really great at communicating how it works for people, etc.
[00:40] <DBO> I love me some contributors, they produce awesome code we never could dedicate resources to
[00:41] <DBO> the community has been so awesome with Unity :)
[00:41] <jcastro> DBO: about how many new contributors have you mentored this cycle?
[00:41] <jcastro> and or reviews?
[00:41] <DBO> I have done reviews for 3 or 4, and answered questions for at least that many
[00:42] <DBO> not everyone who comes poking around the code always submits a merge sadly
[00:42] <DBO> but we get them eventually :)
[00:42] <pleia2> ok, we lost quorum for a few minutes because one of our board members had to eat (sheesh!) so we're going to hold off on the vote for a few minutes and move on to our next applicant
[00:42] <pleia2> DBO: hang in there, we'll get back to you in a few minutes! :)
[00:42] <DBO> righto
[00:42] <pleia2> [TOPIC] iheartubuntu
[00:42] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: care to introduce yourself?
[00:42] <iheartubuntu> Hello! My name is Dave and I am 37 and have been using Ubuntu for 5 years now. I enjoy the OS so much I have contributed in a number of ways...
[00:43] <iheartubuntu> From helping the Ubuntu booth nonstop at SCaLE9x recently, creating the first ever Ubuntu Hour in Pasadena, CA, creating artwork for the various releases and running two Ubuntu related websites.
[00:44] <greg-g> I like your wallpaper submissions, iheartubuntu
[00:44] <iheartubuntu> thanks
[00:44] <iheartubuntu> some of them had a lot of good xcomments on OMG Ubuntu
[00:44] <greg-g> question though, on flickr they are not licensed under an acceptable CC license, isn't that required for the competition?
[00:45] <iheartubuntu> I did submit them and tagged them accordingly at the time
[00:45] <iheartubuntu> but I must have failed at choosing the correct CC
[00:45] <iheartubuntu> could have very well been why a few were not accepted
[00:45] <greg-g> iheartubuntu: s'ok, I'm nitpicking, I'm a license/copyright expert, so its the kind of thing I notice ;)
[00:46] <iheartubuntu> I will change them and update anything i do in ther future
[00:46] <greg-g> iheartubuntu: oh, yeah, very well could have been, since the ones I saw were All Rights Reserved (ie: not ok :) )
[00:48] <nhandler> Alright, sorry for having to duck out earlier. But we'll vote on DBO first and then iheartubuntu
[00:49] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should DBO be an Ubuntu Member?
[00:49] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should DBO be an Ubuntu Member?.
[00:49] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:49] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:49] <pleia2> +1
[00:49] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:49] <beuno> +1
[00:49] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:49] <greg-g> +1
[00:49] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:49] <nhandler> +1
[00:49] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:49] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[00:49] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[00:49] <nhandler> Congratulations and welcome DBO
[00:49] <ddecator> congrats DBO :)
[00:49] <DBO> thank you gentlemen :)
[00:49] <greg-g> congrats and welcome (finally), DBO !
[00:49] <micahg> congrats DBO
[00:49] <pleia2> hey, what about me? ;)
[00:49] <pleia2> congrats DBO
[00:50] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should iheartubuntu be an Ubuntu Member?
[00:50] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should iheartubuntu be an Ubuntu Member?.
[00:50] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:50] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:50] <DBO> and lady? :)
[00:50] <pleia2> :)
[00:50] <pleia2> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:50] <beuno> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:50] <greg-g> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:50] <nhandler> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:50] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[00:50] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[00:50] <pleia2> congrats iheartubuntu!
[00:50] <nhandler> Congratulations iheartubuntu
[00:51] <beuno> \o/  congrats DBO and iheartubuntu
[00:51] <ddecator> and congrats to iheartubuntu :)
[00:51] <greg-g> congrats and welcome, iheartubuntu
[00:51] <iheartubuntu> Wow, thank you so much. I will work hard to forward Ubuntu
[00:51] <nhandler> Thanks to everyone for coming tonight, and sorry for the problems achieving and maintaining quorum
[00:51] <pleia2> thanks everyone!
[00:51] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[00:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:52.
[00:52] <DBO> congrats iheartubuntu :)
[00:52] <greg-g> have a good night all, thanks for coming out and supporting the Membership process!
[00:52] <iheartubuntu> thanks, you too DBO
[14:59]  * skaet waves
[14:59] <seb128> hey
[15:00] <Chipaca> hi
[15:00] <skaet> heya seb128,  you doing desktop today?
[15:00] <Daviey> o/
[15:00] <pitti> o/
[15:00] <ScottK> \o
[15:00] <pitti> skaet: I'm prep'ed
[15:00] <seb128> skaet, desktop is going great, got a new unity with lot of bug fixes and other nice things ;-)
[15:01] <skaet> lol
[15:01] <skaet> ok,  lets get started.  :)
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet.
[15:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:02] <skaet> hi everyone
[15:02] <skaet> [Topic] Natty overview - skaet_
[15:02] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Agenda is at:
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-03-18
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty overview - skaet_
[15:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-03-18
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Seeing a nice bit of movement on the bugs last week.  Thanks to everyone involved in fixing them!   If I've still got some being tracked under the wrong team though,  please let me know, or feel free to go into the WIKI and move it to the right team ;).
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> As of 2011/03/17 bugs for Natty that are are targetted for fixing were broken down as follows:
[15:02] <skaet>       * kernel:   linux: 9   drivers: 14  ( 3 from 2010 )
[15:02] <skaet>       * foundations:  23  ( 6 from 2010)  but on the good news front 14 resolved in the last week! :)
[15:02] <skaet>       * server: 6
[15:02] <skaet>       * desktop: 12
[15:02] <skaet>       * ubuntuone: 5 (2 from 2010 )  and 7 resolved in the last week! :)
[15:02] <skaet>       * kubuntu: 4 (2 from 2010 )
[15:02] <skaet>       * desktop experience: 33 (3 from 2010 )  and  13 resolved in last week!  :)
[15:02] <skaet>       * arm: 8 (3 from 2010 )
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> This is still up from where we were with maverick, so appreciate the continued focus on it.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Milestoned bugs for beta 1 can be found:
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33574.
[15:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33574.
[15:02] <skaet> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[15:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Note that the renaming of beta to beta-1 caused some links to become inaccurate.  If you spot any that are broken, please let me know.
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Upcoming Significant Dates:
[15:03] <skaet> User Interface Freeze and Beta Freeze is March 24th (at 2300 UTC )
[15:03] <skaet> Beta 1 Release is March 31st.
[15:03] <skaet> questions?
[15:03] <skaet> ..
[15:03]  * skaet looks around for questions..
[15:03] <skaet> ok, moving on to to round table then.
[15:04] <skaet> [Topic] QA team update - marjo
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[15:04] <marjo> hi folks
[15:04] <marjo>  * Natty Beta 1 Work Items
[15:04] <marjo>  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[15:04] <marjo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-qa-n-testing-different-architectures
[15:04] <marjo>  jibel blocked on confirmation from skaet and persia to clean up subscribers list
[15:04] <marjo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa
[15:04] <marjo>  hggdh still blocked due to lack of working UEC tools since after Alpha 2.
[15:04] <marjo>  * Natty boot regression report
[15:04] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~brian/daily-bootcharts/index.html
[15:04] <marjo> bugs reported and under investigation by Foundations team.
[15:04] <marjo>  bug 737152
[15:04] <marjo>  bug 737143
[15:04] <marjo>  bug 737154
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~brian/daily-bootcharts/index.html
[15:04] <marjo>  bug 737148
[15:04] <marjo>  bug 737157
[15:05] <marjo>  bug 737156
[15:05] <marjo>  bug 737155
[15:05] <marjo>  * Natty Blocking bugs
[15:05] <marjo>  bug 717166
[15:05] <marjo>  bug 729827
[15:05] <marjo> skaet: both those bugs are already marked High and are being worked on
[15:06] <skaet> ok
[15:06] <marjo>  * QA Dashboard
[15:06] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[15:06] <marjo> Note linux, unity, xserver-org-video-intel, ubiquity and compiz are all in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics.
[15:06] <marjo> skaet: Double confirmation that those are the packages to focus on!
[15:06] <skaet> yup.  :)
[15:06] <marjo>  * Testing status:
[15:06] <marjo>  Desktop Automated Testing results
[15:06] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[15:06] <marjo> Number of 2D tests: 315, 75% pass
[15:06] <marjo> Number of Unity tests: 296, 69% pass
[15:06] <marjo> List of bugs found is at the bottom of page.
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[15:07] <marjo>  Server Automated Testing results
[15:07] <marjo>  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/view/ISO-server-Natty/?
[15:07] <marjo>  28 tests failed. hggdh will investigate.
[15:07] <marjo>  Desktop and Alternate Image Testig results
[15:07] <marjo>  http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/natty-desktop/?
[15:07] <marjo>  3 failures being investigated by jibel. desktop-i386 test restarted.
[15:07] <marjo>   Automatic Upgrade Testing
[15:07] <marjo>  Currently down. Last result is http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/2011-03-15-15:03:02/
[15:07] <marjo>  Still the sudo prompt and the openoffice.org upgrade overwrite error.
[15:07] <marjo> ..
[15:07] <skaet> Thanks marjo!
[15:07] <marjo> thx skaet
[15:08] <skaet> can you double check with me against the agenda that the blocking bugs are on it?
[15:08]  * skaet wants a second set of eyes to do the correlations.
[15:08] <marjo> skaet: will do on-the-side
[15:08] <skaet> thanks marjo
[15:08] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:08] <dbarth__> o/
[15:08] <skaet> go dbarth__
[15:08] <dbarth__> marjo: what's making boot slower?
[15:08] <dbarth__> marjo: is that a unity thing?
[15:09] <dbarth__> (hope not, but need to know0
[15:09] <marjo> dbarth_ still under investigation; no smoking gun yet
[15:10] <dbarth__> ok
[15:10] <marjo> dbarth_: X is contributing, but not by much
[15:10] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:11] <marjo> skaet: just confirmed that both blocking bugs are covered by desktop and server teams in your agenda; so we're ok
[15:11] <skaet> cool.  :)
[15:11] <skaet> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[15:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[15:12]  * skaet looks around and not seeing ara or victorp responding...
[15:12] <skaet> moving on
[15:13] <skaet> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[15:13] <jdstrand> hi
[15:13] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[15:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[15:13] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[15:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[15:13] <cjwatson> er, I didn't expect this meeting to be shifted back an hour, not ready yet, sorry
[15:13] <jdstrand> Our team fixed a couple of milestoned bugs this week (see the above report). Otherwise not a lot to report here-- team has been focusing primarily on stable release updates.
[15:13] <jdstrand> We are below the trend line and have no remaining milestoned bugs or features for beta.
[15:14]  * jdstrand wasn't sure of the timing-- seems each meeting I had this week was handled differently :P
[15:14] <jdstrand> ..
[15:14] <skaet> cjwatson, np, we'll circle back to you at end.
[15:15] <skaet> jdstrand thanks!
[15:15] <skaet> sorry all about the daylight savings time shuffle this week.  :(
[15:15] <skaet> [Topic] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:16] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:16] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[15:16] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[15:16] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[15:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[15:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:16] <ogasawara> We have very few specific work items in the ubuntu-11.04-beta milestone, mostly non-release related.  The natty distro kernel is now at v2.6.38-7.35, this represents v2.6.38 mainline final release!  This marks the intended upstream version for the kernel and we will now start following upstream stable v2.6.38.y.  It also marks the return of the powerpc kernels, the compiler issues seem resolved.  The main concern current
[15:16] <ogasawara> ly is the vesafb interaction with the intel DRM drivers which is triggering GPU hang reports, a prototype for which is in testing.
[15:16] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:
[15:16] <ogasawara> #539467 SATA alpm is now disabled in userspace, possible fix for Nvidia mcp65 controllers when in minimal power mode in testing;
[15:16] <ogasawara> #542660 still present, no real progress this week;
[15:16] <ogasawara> #625364 looks possible to work around using a pm-utils quirk;
[15:16] <ogasawara> #630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware;
[15:16] <ogasawara> #634487 workaround exists, but proper fix still needs investiagion.
[15:16] <ogasawara> #702090 looks to be an interaction with vesafb, upstream are saying "don't do that", prototype fix in testing;
[15:16] <ogasawara> #707353 workaround available, real fix needs applied to linux-firmware package.
[15:16] <ogasawara> #712075 partial fix in place, testing requested with 26.38 final kernel;
[15:16] <ogasawara> #717114 issue identified and possible fix now in testing.
[15:17] <ogasawara> ..
[15:17] <skaet> thanks ogasawara!   (and welcome back  :) )
[15:17] <skaet> any questions?
[15:18] <skaet> [Topic] Server team update - Daviey
[15:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - Daviey
[15:18] <Daviey> Hello!
[15:18] <skaet> :)
[15:18] <Daviey> Status: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[15:18] <Daviey> WI tracking: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[15:18] <Daviey> We are closer to the trend line, and still have significant documentation to do.  Platform is looking good, with out most serious bug still being bug #717166.
[15:18] <Daviey> Bugs:
[15:18] <Daviey> Outstanding
[15:18] <Daviey>     561779 - squid - squid is not started on runlevel transition 1 -> 2.
[15:18] <Daviey>     727286 - libvirt - apparmor is blocking libvirt-bin from accessing folders in "/
[15:18] <Daviey>     733914 - autofs5 - autofs races network interfaces, ends up not working
[15:18] <Daviey>     728088 - debian-installer - iscsi root (amd64) with or without auth fails to boot
[15:18] <Daviey> In progress
[15:18] <Daviey>     697753 - bittorrent recommendation prevents bittorrent demotion
[15:18] <Daviey>         Fix Committed, pending upload
[15:18] <Daviey>     711587 - powernap and Eucalyptus seem unable to reach an understanding
[15:18] <Daviey>         Fix Committed, pending upload
[15:18] <Daviey>     717166 - Eucalyptus - Broken with v4 isc-dhcp-server in Natty
[15:18] <Daviey>         Upstream have proposed a fix, that is being reviewed.
[15:18] <Daviey>     580319 - dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start
[15:18] <Daviey>         Assigned to JamesHunt
[15:18] <Daviey>     732759 - [FFe] [needs-packaging] python-ethtool
[15:18] <Daviey>         In NEW queue, pending Accept
[15:18] <Daviey>     727200 [MIR] lxcguest in main
[15:18] <Daviey>         Pending MIR review
[15:18] <Daviey>     727342 FFE: open-vm-tools kernel module failed to build
[15:18] <Daviey>         Pending approval from ~ubuntu-release
[15:19] <Daviey> cloud-server-n-ubuntu-trial - 0% - Not part of the distro release, and spec is currently being heavily modified as it isn't currently accurate.
[15:19] <Daviey> cloud-server-n-automated-testing - 0% - Making progress, and should be good for concurrent beta image testing (with tradional testing).
[15:19] <Daviey> packageselection-server-n-upstart-server-enhancement - 8% - Documentation remaining
[15:19] <Daviey> packageselection-server-n-commandline-userfriendly - 69% - Parts will be defered, and wider input is going to be sought.
[15:19] <Daviey> packageselection-server-n-cluster-stack - 31% - Will be documentation remaining.
[15:19] <Daviey> All in, we are doing as expected - as explained, the most
[15:19] <Daviey> concerning bug is bug #717166, which is being looked at by many people at the moment.  We have a potential fix.
[15:19] <Daviey> ...
[15:19] <jdstrand> Daviey: I just uploaded the fix for bug #727286 a few minutes ago
[15:19] <Daviey> jdstrand, I saw!  That is awesome :)
[15:19] <jdstrand> heh
[15:19] <skaet> Thanks Daviey!    Appreciate the details.  :)
[15:19] <marjo> Daviey: thx for working on 717166
[15:19] <Daviey> jdstrand, I meant to take it out of the list, but my list predates your fix.. dammit!
[15:20] <skaet> heh
[15:20] <jdstrand> :)
[15:20]  * skaet knows all about that....
[15:20] <Daviey> heh
[15:20] <Daviey> Thank you. o/
[15:20] <skaet> any other question?
[15:20] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop team update - pitti
[15:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti
[15:20] <pitti> Blueprint implementation:
[15:20] <pitti>  * On track for entire cycle
[15:20] <pitti>  * beta-1: not much progress last week, but the actual implementation bits are mostly done; remaining WIs fall into those categories:
[15:21] <pitti>   * Adding unit tests, human testing, etc. (not bound by FF or other freezes; b1 milestone was used mainly for planning)
[15:21] <pitti>   * Some remaining a11y work for Unity; worked on by DX, we just need to integrate once it's landing
[15:21] <pitti>   * Porting remaining software to xulrunner-2.0 (not really bound by FF, but should be done soon); stragglers will be removed from the archive; the main blocker here is swt-gtk which is required by eucalyptus, as discussed last week
[15:21] <pitti>   * Quickly improvements are still blocked on Launchpad improvements; postponed to oneiric now
[15:21] <pitti>   * Sofware-Center UI enhancements: Some are probably done, but some implementation work left
[15:21] <pitti> General status:
[15:21] <pitti>  * The usual weekly unity release with tons of bug fixes; Pressing Alt now finally gets back menus
[15:21] <pitti>  * Previous round of maverick-proposed langpacks broke search plugins; fixed langpack-o-matic, new packages in -proposed now; next round of natty langpacks will have this fixed, too
[15:21] <pitti> RC bugs:
[15:21] <pitti>  * Not much progress this week; will walk over the list in next desktop team meeting
[15:21] <pitti>  * Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs
[15:21] <pitti> ..
[15:22] <skaet> thanks pitti!
[15:22] <skaet> any questions?
[15:23] <skaet> [Topic] Ubuntu One Team - Chipaca
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - Chipaca
[15:23] <Chipaca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[15:23] <Chipaca> details on where we're at with our natty work and releases are in the link above
[15:23] <Chipaca> FFE update... bindwood bug #648587 has a package ready to go & ubuntuone-couch in universal bug #729117 is getting uploaded by kenvandine
[15:23] <Chipaca> the list of bugs we're working on currently can be found in the link i posted earlier...
[15:23] <Chipaca> we have some final ui/text changes to make in the next couple days related to the control panel and banshee/libubuntuone but these should be in prior to ui freeze
[15:23] <Chipaca> and that's it for this week for u1 - questions?
[15:23] <Chipaca> ..
[15:24] <skaet> thanks Chipaca!
[15:24]  * Chipaca bows reverently
[15:24] <skaet> lol
[15:25] <skaet> not seeing any questions, so moving on.  :)
[15:25] <skaet> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[15:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[15:25] <Riddell> hi
[15:26] <skaet> :)
[15:26] <Riddell>  * the world is broken due to late addition of multiarch, anything compiled with cmake now won't find multiarch libraries
[15:26] <Riddell>   - I'm looking at a quick fix of hardcoding the new multiarch paths
[15:26] <Riddell>  * Qt on ARM now uses OpenGLES, this breaks anything using openGL directly such as koffice, kdeedu etc (anything using glew and avogadro). rsalveti and janimo from mobile say that'll work on them and "linaro is working to get gles support at glew".  no quick fixes for this problem.
[15:26] <Riddell>  * kubuntu-mobile now being generated from separate seeds and in universe.  ARM images not building - to be investigated
[15:26] <Riddell>  * other CD images all good
[15:26] <Riddell>  * 9 bugs milestoned for beta http://goo.gl/23eui
[15:26] <Riddell> ..
[15:26] <skaet> Thanks Riddell
[15:27] <skaet> who are you working with on the multiarch issues?  is there a bug?
[15:27] <Riddell> it's bug 737137
[15:27] <skaet> thanks!
[15:27] <Riddell> I've discussed it with slangasek a bit
[15:27] <Riddell> it needs discussion with cmake upstream and Debian for a proper solution
[15:28] <skaet> good,  that's what I was hoping to hear.    So, we should have workarounds in place for beta, but need better long term?
[15:28] <Riddell> hopefully yes
[15:28] <skaet> thanks!
[15:28] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:28] <ScottK> It makes it rather tough to make progress on the gles issue with cmake broken ...
[15:29] <skaet> sigh,  understood.  :(
[15:29] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth__
[15:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth__
[15:29] <dbarth__> hi
[15:29] <skaet> :)
[15:30] <dbarth__> the weekly report is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus as usual
[15:30] <dbarth__> highglights for the week
[15:30] <dbarth__> 1. FFEs
[15:30] <dbarth__> Datetime menu support for browsing calendars (726531) -> Done and released
[15:30] <dbarth__> ALT-F2 (580295) -> Done and released
[15:30] <dbarth__> Zeitgeist-0.7.0 (732551) -> Done and released
[15:30] <dbarth__> Easy application installation (670403) -> Done and released
[15:30] <dbarth__> places a11y (731403) -> Blocked by regressions
[15:30] <dbarth__> overlay scrollbar (730740) -> We confirm our request for an exception
[15:30] <dbarth__> multi-touch support in Unity (737601) -> In progress
[15:30] <dbarth__>
[15:30] <dbarth__> the last 3 are the one to notice
[15:31] <dbarth__>
[15:31]  * skaet notes
[15:31] <dbarth__> on the Unity front; 65 bugs fixed in a single release!
[15:31] <dbarth__> including:
[15:31] <dbarth__>  numerous gl & a11y crashers
[15:31] <dbarth__> the alt keypress bug (689179)
[15:31] <dbarth__> KDE apps can now be pinned to the launcher
[15:31] <dbarth__> and a lot of UI adjustments in the dash, like the new auto-resizing layout or ALT-F2 support
[15:31] <dbarth__> still no a11y for places, due to focus/grab mgmt improvements that created regressions in the a11y integration
[15:31] <dbarth__> overlay scrollbar: lots of fixes to extend the list of supported applications: Ayatana/ScrollBars
[15:32] <dbarth__> the places a11y FFE is still blocked, that's a worry at this stage
[15:32] <dbarth__>
[15:32] <dbarth__> Foundations is trying to break records as well: 30 bugs fixed this week
[15:32] <dbarth__>  highly improved latency of searches, improved relevancy ranking of searches & showcasing random apps from Software Center
[15:32] <dbarth__> Zeitgeist FTS Extension got a long waited fix extending the capabilities of the event filtering mechanism which was required in order to filter out applications from searches in the files place
[15:32] <dbarth__> Dee ABI+API stability since 0.5.12 (released Monday) also with a range of new functionality to help optimize the Unity shell(s) and place daemons alike
[15:32] <dbarth__> More dbusmenu & indicator fixes
[15:32] <dbarth__>
[15:33] <dbarth__> Last on the QA front: triaging as usual with a rise in the bug inflow
[15:33] <dbarth__> Provided test cases for GL, Compiz and Ayatana Scrollbar
[15:33] <dbarth__> Work on compiz automated testcases for the 3 main regressions (invisible windows, stacking order issues and decorator crashers)
[15:33] <dbarth__> ..
[15:33] <marjo> o/
[15:33] <skaet> thanks dbarth__ !
[15:33] <skaet> congrats on swatting all those bugs.  :)
[15:33] <skaet> go marjo
[15:34] <marjo> skaet, dbarth: ok to sneak in last-minute NVIDIA test results?
[15:34] <dbarth__> yes, good news?
[15:34] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/graphics_testing/natty/
[15:34] <marjo> The following nVidia cards are reported to work with Unity:
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation C79 [GeForce G102M]
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation Device 06c0
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GT]
[15:34] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/graphics_testing/natty/
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GTS]
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GT]
[15:34] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G84M [Quadro NVS 320M]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400 GS]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GS]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 9300M G]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce GT 130M]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation GT200 [GeForce GTX 260]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 310M]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M]
[15:35] <marjo>     * nVidia Corporation ION VGA [GeForce 9400M]
[15:35] <marjo> dbarth__ yes!
[15:35] <marjo> ..
[15:35] <skaet> :)
[15:35] <victorp> cool
[15:35] <skaet> good news is always welcome.   Thanks marjo!
[15:35] <dbarth__> nice coverage, but some results are worrying
[15:35] <dbarth__> fallback in particular
[15:36] <dbarth__> can we see that offline?
[15:36] <marjo> dbarth__ ack
[15:36] <skaet> any other questions for dbarth__ ?
[15:36] <skaet> [Topic] ARM team update - ogra
[15:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[15:37]  * skaet looks around for ogra?
[15:37] <skaet> ok, will move on, and see if we can pick him up later.
[15:38] <skaet> [Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[15:38] <ScottK> Hello.
[15:38] <skaet> :)
[15:38] <ScottK> Nothing major to report.
[15:38] <ScottK> NBS and FTBFS could use some work.
[15:39] <ScottK> It occurs to me that we might do a global giveback during beta1 freeze to see how much gets fixed now that the DSO linking change has been reverted?
[15:39] <ScottK> ..
[15:39] <cjwatson> that's feasible
[15:40] <ScottK> The buildd's are generally pretty idle during the freeze, so it seems a good use of the CPU cycles to me.
[15:40] <cjwatson> agreed
[15:40] <ScottK> Of course it depends a bit on where we are with multi-arch if that's the right time ...
[15:40] <cjwatson> it shouldn't take long enough that it impedes release preparation
[15:41] <skaet> will get with you both offline then on it.
[15:41] <ScottK> Should there be an action?
[15:41] <skaet> yup
[15:42] <skaet> [ACTION] [cjwatson, skaet, ScottK] investigate feasibility of global giveback during beta1 freeze if buildd's are available.
[15:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  [cjwatson, skaet, ScottK] investigate feasibility of global giveback during beta1 freeze if buildd's are available.
[15:43] <skaet> probably we can see where we are next meeting and use the weekend if things are calm?
[15:43] <ScottK> Yeah.
[15:43] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:43] <skaet> [Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[15:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett
[15:43] <JamieBennett> hi skaet
[15:43] <skaet> :)
[15:44] <JamieBennett> So as you are aware, some breakage happened this week due to the multiarch work
[15:44] <JamieBennett> cmake, apt, and our own tools are being worked on
[15:44] <JamieBennett> Steve is confident that this will be done soon
[15:44]  * skaet glad to hear
[15:45] <JamieBennett> jcrigby is working on a new kernel upload to fix our Panda issues but is blocked on some lttng breakage atm
[15:45] <JamieBennett> this will come soon
[15:45] <JamieBennett> also a new version of our linaro build tools will be needed
[15:45] <JamieBennett> ..
[15:45] <skaet> thanks JamieBennett!
[15:47] <skaet> I'm curious about if jcrigby's changes are being integrated what ARM team got from TI, but will get with you offline.
[15:47] <skaet> any questions?
[15:48] <JamieBennett> they are separate from what I understand
[15:48] <skaet> ok.
[15:48] <skaet> circling back now then to folks who got DLS'd
[15:48] <skaet> [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:49] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[15:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[15:49] <cjwatson> Comfortably below trend line, no feature issues to speak of.
[15:49] <cjwatson> We've had several regressions to handle from the transition to multiarch - ldconfig, mklibs, bootchart, etc.  So far most of the ones I've seen have been handled, but we still need to be vigilant.
[15:49] <cjwatson> I haven't checked whether there's a test rebuild planned between now and release to see what build regressions we have from multiarch (other than cmake as mentioned by Riddell), but that wouldn't hurt.
[15:49] <cjwatson> Bugs: fairly rapid progress this week, as seen in the meeting agenda.  Remaining issues that I think are vital for beta 1 are:
[15:49] <cjwatson>  - bug 690873
[15:49] <cjwatson>  - plumbing side of vesafb GPU lockups, which should be landable and ought to clear up some long-standing plymouth issues along with it
[15:49] <cjwatson>  - make sure that d-i still works after multiarch bootstrap (it's been variously broken and unbuildable for a couple of days)
[15:49] <cjwatson>  - sync open-iscsi userspace back up with kernelspace
[15:49] <cjwatson> ..
[15:49] <skaet> thanks cjwatson!
[15:50] <skaet> congrats on all those bug fixes over the last week!
[15:50] <skaet> have noted the ones you think are critical for beta 1.
[15:50] <skaet> any questions?
[15:51] <skaet> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[15:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[15:51] <victorp> o/
[15:51] <victorp> Results for this week: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current.html
[15:51] <victorp> Notes:
[15:51] <victorp> 1) bootchart does not create /var/log/bootchart.tgz on the 20110317 image, causing checkbox to reboot endlessly. This cased many of desktop machines not to report results.
[15:51] <victorp> 2) One server (hogplum) seems to have defective hw
[15:51] <victorp> 3) Systems using the 20110317 where able to report results
[15:51] <victorp> 4) Several checkbox cases are giving false positives, tests are being revamped
[15:51] <victorp> also bootchart results for this week
[15:51] <victorp> http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/boot-metrics/natty/bootchart_week11_2011.html
[15:51] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/boot-metrics/natty/bootchart_week11_2011.html
[15:51] <victorp> ..
[15:51] <skaet> thanks victorp!
[15:52] <victorp> no probs
[15:52]  * victorp got confused with dls
[15:52] <skaet> will review through the charts offline, and follow up if I've got questions then.
[15:53]  * skaet is not looking forward to europe going on DLS in a couple of weeks.  :P
[15:53] <skaet> anyone have questions for victorp?
[15:53] <skaet> is ogra around now?
[15:53] <skaet> or someone from ARM team?
[15:54] <skaet> [Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?
[15:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other kudos/comments/questions?
[15:54] <skaet> hmm,  seems quiet...
[15:54] <skaet> going once
[15:54] <skaet> twice
[15:55] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:55.
[15:55] <cjwatson> victorp: bootchart already fixed, btw
[15:55] <victorp> cjwatson, fantastic
[15:56] <marjo> cjwatson: thx
[15:56] <skaet> thank you marjo,  jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, pitti, Daviey, ScottK, joshuahoover, dbarth__, victorp
[15:56] <marjo> skaet: thx!
[15:56] <victorp> cjwatson, just to make sure we are talking about the same issue - what bug number?
[15:56] <pitti> thansk everyone
[15:56] <cjwatson> victorp: bug 737487
[15:56]  * Chipaca waves
[15:56] <ScottK> skaet: Riddell too.
[15:56] <skaet> sorry,  Chipaca - thanks to you for covering
[15:57] <Chipaca> :)
[15:57] <skaet> thanks Riddell
[15:57]  * skaet hangs head,  sigh.
[15:57] <victorp> cjwatson, Great
[15:57] <skaet> thanks all who were participating.   :)
[15:57] <victorp> skaet, thanks for hosting
[15:58] <jdstrand> skaet: thanks!
[16:01] <davidm> skaet, we are on our weekly call with TI, the meeting moved with DST
[16:02] <skaet> davidm,  DST fun.   :P   thanks for letting me know what happened.
[16:05] <rsalveti> skaet: shouldn't this meeting be in utc?
[16:06] <apw> i thought it was 16:00 utc also
[16:06] <rsalveti> both me and ogra were thinking that it'd start just now :-)
[16:06] <skaet> it floated based on being set up from US.  :P
[16:07] <skaet> rslaveti, apw, ogra - sorry about that.
[16:08]  * skaet not looking forward to Europe going on DLS time, and the churn that week as well.  :P
[16:08] <apw> skaet, i guess we need a reminder what time the meeting really is, ie is it 09:00 mountain time, or xxx UTC
[16:09] <apw> so we can track it through the next few weeks, we change ourselves next week
[16:09] <ogra> yep, that would help
[16:09] <ogra> skaet, i'll add our status to the wiki before ending my day then
[16:10] <ogra> gcal is evil
[16:10] <skaet> apw,  my reminder from yesterday still appears to be in the outbox.   intended to send it, but am jinxed I guess.
[16:11] <skaet> ogra,  thanks
[16:12] <skaet> apw, ogra, rsalveti - will send out the reminders next Thursday.
[16:12] <rsalveti> skaet: thanks!
[16:12] <apw> skaet, i think the key is knowingt which timezone you are holding it in so we can adjust our calendars
[16:16] <skaet> I'm in US Central time zone.    (CDT now :P )
[16:16] <davidm> or lock the meeting to UTC and let DST times float around a hard locked meeting
[16:18] <skaet> davidm,  will investigate getting it locked to UTC in future (after we all synch back up when Europe goes to DST)
[16:20] <[OzzY]> ho


[12:04] <kapputu> interesting, ok
[12:05] <mdke> otherwise, try the laptop-testing-team mailing list
[12:05] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com
[12:06] <kapputu> please don't tell me he is a bot :-), just kidding
[12:07] <mdke> nah, but if you're in the same timezone, you'll be ok
[12:07] <kapputu> ok
[12:07] <mdke> kapputu, check out that mailing list, and the #ubuntu-laptop channel
[12:07] <mdke> mjg59 is the head laptop dude
[12:08] <mdke> jjesse, about kubuntu, releasenotes and kquickguide on help.u.c now
[12:08] <kapputu> mdke, do you work on documentation?
[12:08] <mdke> i guess so
[12:09] <kapputu> so what do you document?
[12:09] <mdke> i seem to do more work on infrastructure than actually writing anything though
[12:09] <mdke> kapputu, our documents for Breezy are on help.ubuntu.com. Our work in progress projects you can find at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[12:10] <mdke> for documentation, the wiki documentation is an excellent entry point - there is a lot of community contributed documentation that needs love
[12:11] <kapputu> community-contributed documentation?
[12:12] <mdke> yeah
[12:12] <mdke> anyone can edit the wiki, it's totally free access
[12:13] <mdke> so it get's a little untidy sometimes
[12:13] <mdke> the list of documents is at wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[12:13] <mdke> wiki.u.c/CategoryCleanup has a lot of pages that need work listed
[12:15] <mdke> hey Burgundavia i changed the fonts of help.u.c, do you think it is a good idea?
[12:26] <kapputu> is there any way to capture the knowledge dispersed in IRC
[12:27] <kapputu> people resolve a lot of problems here but does it make it to the docs?
[12:29] <mdke> i suppose people are inspired to write things down which arise frequently
[12:29] <mdke> recently we've been trying to think about ways of getting good feedback about what is missing from the docs
[12:29] <mdke> but it's difficult to get statistics from irc
[12:30] <mdke> only feedback from people who help often
[12:32] <kapputu> hmm yeah it's difficult
[12:32] <kapputu> but if we can have people follow a standard then it'd make it easy to parse the text
[12:33] <kapputu> like all problems should start with 'Problem:' else it'd be ignored
[12:37] <mdke> heh
[12:37] <mdke> can't see that working, most people don't even read the topic
[12:38] <mdke> kapputu, one team member wrote a spec yesterday for something feedback-related, it is v young, but feel free to comment: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamCompIdeas
[12:47] <mdke> we'd need to figure out a web form for that too actually :)
[01:05] <Burgundavia> mdke, hmm, looks good
[01:05] <mdke> good
[01:05] <mdke> i don't like big fonts
[01:06] <Burgundavia> mdke, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/launchpad-knowledgebase
[01:06] <Burgundavia> that the jbaileys idea
[01:07] <Burgundavia> mdke, I like the reorg too
[01:07] <mdke> supercool
[01:07] <mdke> the reorg on help.u.c?
[01:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:08] <mdke> ah good
[01:08] <mdke> i wonder if we can put some edubuntu docs up there
[05:17] <Burgundavia> for a good laugh
[05:17] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89926
[05:23] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[05:24] <LaserJock> 3 & 7 are the only ones I would be interested in
[06:23] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:29] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[06:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, about to head to C's, but are you interested in helping the vlug website?
[06:31] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: what does it need?
[06:32] <Burgundavia> a compete redesign?
[06:32] <Madpilot> just had a look, and yeah, it could use some love
[06:32] <Burgundavia> do you want to meet sometime this week and talk about it?
[06:32] <Madpilot> sure
[06:33] <Madpilot> here, or is there a VLUG meeting this coming week?
[06:33] <Burgundavia> I just emailed dad about going to dinner there sometime this week
[06:33] <Burgundavia> vlug was last week, missed it
[06:33] <Burgundavia> your place would be good
[06:33] <Madpilot> Tuesday night?
[06:33] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:33] <Madpilot> I'm busy Weds. & Thurs. night
[06:33] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:34] <Madpilot> cool - I'm at work until 6 Tues. night, but come by anytime after 6:30
[06:34] <Burgundavia> shall I ping the vlug discuss list to ask if anyone wants to come and join the redesign discussion?
[06:34] <Madpilot> sure
[06:34] <Madpilot> I should actually join VLUG and get on that list...
[06:35] <Madpilot> the redesign of Andrea's website went live this afternoon
[06:37] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:38] <Burgundavia> holy crap most of the info on the website in ancient
[06:38] <Madpilot> using a totally new install of XP was... interesting...
[06:38] <Burgundavia> s/in.is
[06:38] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, have they already bought the new machine
[06:38] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:38] <Madpilot> yes
[06:38] <Burgundavia> grr
[06:38] <Burgundavia> our parents baffle me
[06:38] <Madpilot> it's theoretically more powerful than either of ours - except for half the RAM - but it crawls w/ XP Home...
[06:39] <Burgundavia> ouch
[06:39] <Burgundavia> wonder if Discovery will take it back
[06:39] <Madpilot> not sure who they got it from, actually
[06:39] <Burgundavia> why???, for love of god
[06:40] <Madpilot> I'd forgotten how much crap you have to install to make a Windows machine usable... a real browser, Photoshop, AVG, anti-spyware, etc etc
[06:40] <Madpilot> OpenOffice.org came pre-installed
[06:40] <Burgundavia> I had heard that some local computer stores are handing out OO.o now
[06:40] <Madpilot> and I customized the UI of Opera 8.5 into a non-threatening-to-Andrea mode, and imported her old IE favourite
[06:41] <Burgundavia> oh geez
[06:41] <Burgundavia> any, I have to catch a bus to go to C's
[06:41] <Madpilot> old IE favourites, I mean - bookmarks
[06:41] <Burgundavia> talk to you later
[06:41] <Madpilot> later
[07:57] <bhuvan> quick question on moin
[07:57] <bhuvan> how can we embed comment in our moin page ?
[07:57] <Madpilot> bhuvan: with #, I think
[07:57] <Madpilot> let me check
[07:57] <bhuvan> ok, please let me check :)
[07:58] <robitaille> yes. just look at the code of the top page in the wiki.   The first few lines start with #s
[07:59] <Madpilot> it's two ##, I think
[07:59] <Madpilot> ## This is a moin comment
[08:00] <bhuvan> Madpilot: ## works, thankx
[08:00] <Madpilot> np
[08:13] <bhuvan> can someone update next docteam meeting details in udp launchpad calander ?
[08:17] <robitaille> bhuvan,  I suspect only Burgundavia  or Jerome can update it since they are the 2 launchpad admin.
[08:18] <robitaille> I usually update the calendar on the Fridge and the topic in #ubuntu-meeting with the date/time of the meetings
[08:18] <bhuvan> ok
[08:18] <bhuvan> i'll assign it to them
[08:21] <robitaille> the Launchpad calendar is great, but it seems very underutilized by the ubuntu community.
[08:21] <robitaille> I still have to find a group using it to post their meetings
[08:21] <highvolt1ge> robitaille: i use it. i even have my birthday logged in there.
[08:23] <robitaille> yes.  And I also want to start using it.  But groups don't seem to add anything to them.  And that it's strength when you can subcribe to calendar from various groups.
[08:23] <robitaille> s/groups/teams
[08:24] <robitaille> that's a very small team :) https://launchpad.net/people/debiandevelopers
[09:06] <mdke> did anyone see the meeting agenda item posted by some guy?
[09:06] <mdke> he hasn't posted to the mailing list
[09:07] <mdke> bhuvan, ping?
[09:07] <Madpilot> mdke: where? the wiki?
[09:07] <mdke> yes
[09:08] <Madpilot> mdke: the Problem Analyzer thing?
[09:09] <mdke> that's it
[09:09] <mdke> it seems to me that he's suggested we write the documents we've already written
[09:10] <Madpilot> huh
[09:11] <mdke> oh great, someone has deleted ItalianRedirect
[09:11] <mdke> the page which 100 pages redirect to
[09:11] <Madpilot> I'll look for that XP app he mentioned later this week, when I'll be forced to use my stepmother's XP machine for a while ;)
[09:13] <mdke> aha
[09:13] <mdke> i've replied anyhow, encouraging him to post to the ML
[09:13] <Madpilot> saw that
[09:14] <Madpilot> gah... just realized that now that we're off Daylight Savings Time, 1400Z = 0600 Local - ick!
[09:15] <mdke> whoosh
[09:16] <Madpilot> being at UTC -8 bites sometimes...
[09:17] <bhuvan> mdke: yes
[09:18] <mdke> bhuvan, the quicktour is not obsolete, it's a marketing doc, i think you may have got things a bit confused there
[09:19] <mdke> i replied on the wiki page
[09:19] <bhuvan> ok
[09:19] <bhuvan> i meant, we're maintaining a html version. if we should, we can maintain a xml version ?
[09:20] <Madpilot> bhuvan: QuickTour was/is meant to be more portable
[09:21] <bhuvan> Madpilot, ok. but, imho, we if we maintain it in xml version, we can make it easily portable
[09:21] <bhuvan> mdke, do you want me to remove this item from docteammeetingagenda ?
[09:21] <mdke> you could make it a bit clearer I think
[09:21] <bhuvan> ok
[09:22] <bhuvan> i'll do that
[09:22] <mdke> bhuvan, one more request. Can you send emails to the list, rather than to me in the To: field and the list in Cc: ?
[09:22] <mdke> that can be easily achieved if you use evolution by using "Reply to list" (ctrl L)
[09:22] <bhuvan> generally, i do 'reply-all'. i'll correct it
[09:22] <mdke> if your mailer doesn't have that, don't worry!
[09:23] <bhuvan> np, it's trivial. i'll correct it. pardon me, if it has troubled you!
[09:23] <mdke> thanks for the patches by the way
[09:23] <mdke> you're doing some good work
[09:24] <bhuvan> hmm, thankx!
[09:24] <mdke> got to run
[09:24] <Madpilot> bhuvan: portable in the 'viewable w/o using Yelp' sense - putting it up on a website, that sort of thing
[09:25] <bhuvan> Madpilot, you are correct. but, if we maintain a xml version with xslt template, we can convert it to html/pdf and it'll be portable to website as you wish
[09:25] <bhuvan> imo, thats how we maintain most of our other documents
[03:45] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:46] <highvoltage> hello
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hey highvoltage how's things?
[03:48] <highvoltage> things are very good today.
[03:49] <highvoltage> monday's are usually bad, today is a big exception.
[03:49] <highvoltage> i think people are just getting in better and better moods as summer is approaching.
[03:53] <jsgotangco> that's nice things have been busy on my side, i might go to seoul in 2 weeks for a linux desktop conference
[03:55] <highvoltage> oooh. sounds nice.
[03:56] <highvoltage> i never liked traveling. but lately i've started enjoying it.
[03:58] <jjesse> grin winter is approaching here :)
[03:59] <jjesse> for those interested Riddell is packaging KDE 3.5 RC for Kubuntu as we speak
[03:59] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:59] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:59] <jsgotangco> we'll see it in dapper-updates?
[03:59] <jjesse> should
[03:59] <jsgotangco> i'll upgrade one box to dapper later then
[03:59] <jjesse> i didn't know there was a dapper build out there, can i just change sources to dapper instead of breazy?
[03:59] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:00] <jsgotangco> dapper just opened up a few weeks ago
[04:21] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:57] <jjesse> any krazy kubuntu people out there, kde 3.5 release kanidate 1 has been release for breezy http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php
[06:59] <poningru> I had a question
[07:00] <poningru> why dont we have some sort of animated presentation of ubuntu when people login for the first time
[07:00] <poningru> kinda like what windows has
[07:11] <jjesse> that's a good question :)
[07:21] <poningru> hmm what could it be done in?
[07:21] <poningru> I mean svg would be a good idea right?
[09:25] <dartmoordog> Trying to install Ubuntu on G3 powerbook ............ probs ........ anyone know about mac installs
[09:27] <mdke> evening all
[09:29] <jjesse> evening mdke
[09:30] <mdke> hi :)
[10:41] <SteveMyers> mdke
[10:41] <SteveMyers> got a sec?
[10:42] <mdke> sure
[10:42] <SteveMyers> awesome
[10:42] <SteveMyers> check pm