[00:05] <cprofitt> Red-Raven: what port checker?
[00:06] <Red-Raven> canyouseeme.com or something.
[00:06] <cprofitt> hmm....
[00:06] <cprofitt> so you are trying to open the port on your router?
[00:07] <Red-Raven> yes.
[00:07] <Red-Raven> a custom port # for SSH.
[00:07] <cprofitt> did you forward the port to something that would respond?
[00:07] <Red-Raven> you mean the IP of the computer with SSH on it?
[00:07] <Red-Raven> if so, yes.
[00:08] <Red-Raven> do i have to do something to start the server on that computer?
[00:08] <cprofitt> ok... is there are firewall on that computer?
[00:08] <Red-Raven> nope.
[00:08] <cprofitt> yes... I think you have to start SSH on that computer
[00:08] <Red-Raven> its ubuntu desktop, and i haven't added any security to that computer.
[00:09] <cprofitt> Ubuntu desktop does not open any ports by default
[00:09] <Red-Raven> yah. i went into my router settings and opened it.
[00:09] <cprofitt> http://www.jonathanmoeller.com/screed/?p=2097
[00:09] <cprofitt> yes, its open on your router, but not on the computer you forwarded it too
[00:10] <Red-Raven> how do i do that?
[00:17] <LostPenguin> can anyone in here help me add a hardware ID to the kernel?
[00:22] <Red-Raven> do i need to edit IPtables to open the port>
[00:22] <Red-Raven> ?*
[00:34] <geirha> Red-Raven: That depends on whether you've changed iptables or not. With default iptables, everything is open already.
[00:36] <Red-Raven> ok. well i did run iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
[00:38] <geirha> Does  ssh localhost  on the box you run the ssh server on, work?
[00:39] <LostPenguin> it should
[00:39] <Red-Raven> said authenticuty can't be established, but i told it yes, go ahead.
[00:40] <geirha> Ok, that means the ssh server is running and listening on port 22
[00:40] <Red-Raven> i gave it a different port #
[00:41] <geirha> I only read a little bit backwards when I popped in here just now, but from what I can gather you used a different port on the router, not on the server...?
[00:42] <geirha> And if that is the case, you set port 80 on the router go to port 22 on your server?
[00:42] <LostPenguin> if you set up port forwarding on your router that way
[00:43] <Red-Raven> um, i set the same port in the rueter as in the sshd config file.
[00:44] <geirha> Well, sshd is obviously running on port 22, at least currenty. Did you remember to restart it after editing the config file?
[00:45] <geirha> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[00:45] <Red-Raven> oh. ill do that.
[00:45] <geirha> After that,   ssh localhost   should fail, and   ssh -p 80 localhost   should work
[00:46] <duanedesign> hello al
[00:46] <duanedesign> or better yet, all
[00:46] <geirha> Hello, duanedesign :)
[00:46] <Red-Raven> sudo etc/init.d/ssh restart right?
[00:47] <Red-Raven> hello!
[00:47] <geirha> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[00:47] <geirha> missed the first / there
[00:47] <duanedesign> welcome back Red-Raven. Hopefully we can get the ssh sorted. Glad you came back
[00:47] <Red-Raven> yup. think im almost there.
[00:48] <Red-Raven> ssh -p 80 localhost didn't work. connection refused.
[00:49] <geirha> And ssh localhost is still working?
[00:49] <Red-Raven> no it failed.
[00:49] <geirha> Both failed? Hm.
[00:49] <Red-Raven> localhost failed. the other was refused.
[00:50] <geirha> What does this output?  sudo fuser 80/tcp 22/tcp
[00:52] <Red-Raven> 22/tcp: 2587 2656
[00:52] <geirha> Still listening on port 22. Hm.
[00:54] <geirha> Sure you changed Port in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[00:54] <Red-Raven> yup. ill double check.
[00:54] <geirha> On a side-note though, why change it?
[00:55] <Red-Raven> i was told to for security.
[00:55] <geirha> Security by obscurity, but you've already used a different port on the router, that's the one exposed to the internet.
[00:56] <Red-Raven> how? i still use port 80. i naver changed that.
[00:57] <Red-Raven> all i need to change in that config file is the port # right?
[00:57] <geirha> What you use on your server, behind the router, is irrelevant. You'd only see port 80 from the outside.
[00:58] <geirha> Should be, though I've never actually changed the port of the ssh server :)
[00:59] <geirha> My Ubuntu box is connected straight on the net, no router or firewall in front of it, listening on port 22.
[01:00] <Red-Raven> hm. any ideas?
[01:02] <geirha> Well, if changing Port in /etc/ssh/sshd_config is not working, just change it back, then tell your router to route port 80 from the internet to port 22 on your server.
[01:03] <Red-Raven> wont that take service to other machines though?
[01:03] <geirha> Or even better, just use port 22 on both. I don't see any security gains of changing the port, it just makes it more cumbersome for you to connect to it.
[01:04] <geirha> service to other machines?
[01:04] <Red-Raven> if it directs all the trafic to the server, wont it stop traffic to other comps in ths house?
[01:06] <geirha> No. And you're only redirecting one port.
[01:06] <geirha> Or, well, is port 22 already forwarded to another computer?
[01:06] <Red-Raven> no.
[01:07] <geirha> Then there's no problem
[01:44] <Red-Raven> geirha, hey sry im back. so i need to change the port # back to 22 in the config file and then forward 22 in the rueter, and then do i need to do anything else?
[01:46] <Red-Raven> like change the iptables back again?
 It's alright, you only pinged someone else :)
 that should be funny.
[03:16] <MrAnthrope> <-- LOLed
[03:17] <Red-Raven> yah....sry about that.
[03:17] <MrAnthrope> np :)
[07:41] <charliemac> How can I get SLiM for lubuntu?
[07:55] <jermza> Does anyone know how to fix multiple instances of Gwibber appearing in the messaging indicator menu?
[08:20] <charliemac> Is it safe to run 32-bit programs on 64-bit #lubuntu ?
[09:00] <Minchkin> So, I was runngin IDJC and my laptop stopped responding.  When it rebooted, the GUI is no longer smooth. It is booting into Netbook edition and it won't let me switch back. Help
[09:07] <Minchkin> Hello?
[09:07] <charliemac> How can I put SLiM on #Lubuntu?
[09:08] <arief> hi all
[09:09] <Minchkin> Hi
[09:09] <arief> why this room is pretty quite ?
[09:10] <Minchkin> I don't know. And I need some major hep
[09:10] <arief> what is that ?
[09:11] <Minchkin> I was running IDJC and everything just kind of went, bleh.
[09:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, you can enter into recovery mode?
[09:12] <Minchkin> How?
[09:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> you have a boot menu(Loader) named GRUB right? When you start the laptop, this screen comes after BIOS menu
[09:13] <Minchkin> No. It just boots into Ubuntu
[09:13] <Minchkin> How do I get to it?
[09:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> you can login to the machine now right?
[09:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> I want you to edit a file
[09:14] <Minchkin> I am ON the machine.
[09:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> cool
[09:14] <Minchkin> Okay?
[09:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> now
[09:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> goto terminal
[09:15] <Minchkin> In. Type....
[09:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> sudo chmod  +w /etc/default/grub
[09:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> wait
[09:16] <Minchkin> waoh
[09:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, now open places->computer. select the file system -> etc->default->grub.d
[09:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> do not close terminal
[09:20] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, and see the exact name of the os_prober file
[09:20] <Minchkin> Hold on.  I dont have much idea about what you asked
[09:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, umm! you can find that name? or else pastebin
[09:26] <Minchkin> Ok. Give me a min
[09:27] <IAmNotThatGuy> ping me by saying Mohi. I will be another screen
[09:28] <Minchkin> http://pastebin.com/HMyY6ARX
[09:28] <charliemac> How can I use Unntbootin to reformat my WinXP computer with #lubuntu ?
[09:29] <charliemac> #unetbootin
[09:31] <Minchkin> IAmNotThatGuy, did you see it?
[09:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> wait
[09:31] <IAmNotThatGuy> looking
[09:31] <Minchkin> ok
[09:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, try restarting and press shit key. see whether you get the boot screen or not. before that, do sudo update-grub
[09:33] <Minchkin> That is a vulgar key
[09:35] <Minchkin> Ok. What am I soposed to do after that?
[09:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, there right?
[09:36] <Minchkin> No... I just want to be sure I don't screw up
[09:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> I want you to alter one thing in that file
[09:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, you have to set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[09:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> out False
[09:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> F in caps will be better
[09:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, or any problem in re-installing GNOME?
[09:37] <Minchkin> I don't have root...
[09:37] <Minchkin> What is GNOME?
[09:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> !gnome | MichealH
[09:38] <ubot2> MichealH: GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal.
[09:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> ah
[09:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, thats for you
[09:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> you can try re-installing if your GUI troubles. or else, you can edit the file and try logging into previous kernel version and check
[09:39] <Minchkin> But I don't think it is the GUI... Everything froze up and I did a hard reboot...
[09:40] <charliemac> Is there a way to put LXDE on Xubuntu?
[09:40] <Minchkin> And now it does this
[09:42] <Minchkin> It is a boxy GUI, stuck on Netbook, and I don't know what to do.
[09:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think its some error in GNOME. your system is upto date?
[09:44] <Minchkin> Ya. I am downloading the .iso right now. But my connection is limiting how fast this is going.
[09:44] <Minchkin> Should be.
[09:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> hmmm
[09:44] <charliemac> Is LXDE with SLiM over Xubuntu as light and zippy as Lubuntu with SLiM?
[09:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, try reinstalling GNOME. I think that will do. sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[09:47] <Minchkin> I haz an issue with that command. sudo: aptitude: command not found
[09:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6785034&postcount=5
[09:53] <Minchkin> Should I let you know what happens?
[09:58] <Minchkin> Reboot?
[09:59] <Minchkin> IAmNotThatGuy, do you want me to reboot?
[10:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> Yes
[10:00] <Minchkin> Ok
[10:03] <Minchkin> Back!
[10:03] <Minchkin> It worked! Thank you!
[10:09] <charliemac> Can I use UNetbootin to overwrite the C:\ with the Lubuntu ISO on the target machine (which runs winXPI have the md5sum confirmed lubuntu10.10 iso as well as unetbootin in seperate thumb drives on the target machine, which runs winXP.
[10:24] <Minchkin> Hey, so I am having another issue.
[10:29] <head_victim> !ask
[10:29] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[10:29] <head_victim> Minchkin: some of us wander to and fro from out PCs so when you need a question answered just ask the issue and when I wander past can try to help ;)
[10:32] <Minchkin> Lul. Sorry. I tend to be fully focused on chatrooms... So, I need a way to make/replace a missing file/item to make Skype and IDJC to play nice.
[10:33] <Minchkin> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.la <-- This is missing when I do "find /usr/lib/alsa-lib | grep jack
[10:33] <Minchkin> And from what I have read, when/if I get that, I should be clear and free.
[11:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> Minchkin, click check for updates and that will automatically find the missing file. but I found a link which may be helpful for you. http://idjc.sourceforge.net/tutorials_voip.html
[11:06] <Minchkin> That is how I know it is missing. I did the command and the 2nd one is missing
[11:13] <arief1> are u still having installation problem whit IDJC Minchkin ?
[11:14] <M0hi> Minchkin, it has the source link and library link at the bottom of the error you got
[11:14] <Minchkin> Not really an install problem, just a plugin problem. What that does is make it easier to play calls...
[11:15] <Minchkin> ???
[11:16] <arief1> what was log said ?
[11:16] <Minchkin> How do I get to the log?
[11:16] <Minchkin> Oh, and the Xchat plugin won't work either
[11:16] <arief1> log are located on /var/log/..
[11:18] <Minchkin> Which one though?
[11:19] <arief1> find something related with idjc
[11:19] <arief1> or try this
[11:19] <arief1> tail -100f /var/log/system.log
[11:20] <Minchkin> syslog, or syslog.1?
[11:20] <arief1> just syslog
[11:21] <arief1> what method are u using to install idjc ? source *.tar.gz or from reposiroty ?
[11:21] <Minchkin> Ubuntu Software center
[11:22] <arief1> ok
[11:22] <arief1> do u find some error on syslog ?
[11:23] <Minchkin> Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[11:25] <arief1> hmm.. looks like your sound-card driver are not installed correctly
[11:25] <Minchkin> How do I fix that?
[11:26] <arief1> sudo apt-cache search alsa
[11:27] <Minchkin> Big list ensues
[11:28] <arief1> look for alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-souce
[11:28] <arief1> sorry, I'm forget, 1st check that you are installed alsa
[11:28] <arief1> or not
[11:29] <Minchkin> How?
[11:29] <arief1> check with : sudo dpkg -l | grep alsa
[11:30] <Minchkin> alsa-base, -utils, bluez-alsa, gstreamer0.10-alsa, libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[11:30] <arief1> if alsa installed, you will see alsa-base & alsa-utils on results
[11:31] <arief1> try updated, to make sure you are using the newest driver version
[11:31] <Minchkin> ok.
[11:31] <Minchkin> sudo apt-something update asla?
[11:31] <arief1> sudo apt-get upgrade alsa-utils alsa-base
[11:32] <Minchkin> Nothing.
[11:33] <arief1> hmm... so you are using the latest sound driver, but log said "this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'"
[11:33] <arief1> I assume your sound_card is not supported by Ubuntu yet , IMHO
[11:34] <Minchkin> Well, how do I make this work?
[11:34] <Minchkin> *sigh*
[11:35] <arief1> but.. are you can play any mp3 files ?
[11:36] <Minchkin> Yes. I can play any audio. I am just missing that one file to stream from Skype
[11:38] <arief1> I'm sorry, I can't help more, but if the ALSA was the problem, I found it still reporting as Bug and not solved yet
[11:38] <arief1> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18954
[11:38] <Minchkin> ugh
[11:38] <Minchkin> Thanks. :) I appreciate your help.
[11:39] <arief1> u r welcome, try to post your problem on ubuntu forum
[11:39] <Minchkin> Ok.
[11:39] <arief1> maybe Ubuntu Guru will help u
[11:47] <MrChrisDruif> Minchkin: First try to find a similar one, we don't like duplicate forum posts (I must admit, not easy to search (hence my dislike of the forum :P, but that's just me))
[11:50] <Minchkin> I know what you mean. I mod zunescene forums (and I co-host the podcast). Seems like people just don't want to search for anything.
[11:57] <head_victim> I love google. It finds me everything I ever need to know. If it doesn't exist on google I'm not meant to know it.
[11:57] <Minchkin> Lol
[11:58] <head_victim> In google I trust.
[11:58] <Minchkin> So Skype has a post about alsa. But when I type one of the commands, it brings back a FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found.
[12:05] <M0hi> heya philinux
[12:05] <philinux> o/
[12:06] <M0hi> How are you?
[12:10] <tdn> I need to remote control a friend's computer via VNC or similar. I need to help him do something. We are both behind NAT. He uses Ubuntu 10.10. I use Kubuntu 10.04. What to do?
[12:10] <tdn> Could I do this with SSH tunnels or something like that?
[12:10] <tdn> I have access to a third server via SSH (Debian Lenny)
[12:12] <philinux> M0hi: not bad just patrolling
[12:12] <head_victim> tdn: if you need gui interface vnc would work you just have to port forward the router.
[12:13] <Minchkin> arief1, would switching to esound help?
[12:13] <head_victim> tdn: if you really only need cli then you still probably need to port forward the router but ssh would be much better.
[12:18] <AJH101> Hi i was here recently with this same question but got interrupted sorry. My panels have disappeared. How do I restore them and how do I access Terminal when I have no panels?! Thans :-)
[12:18] <AJH101> Thanks
[12:21] <tdn> head_victim, I do not have access to the router.
[12:22] <tdn> head_victim, and I need GUI.
[12:23] <head_victim> tdn: ah well the only way I know how to vnc with port forwarding through natted routers sorry, someone else might know though?
[12:23] <head_victim> AJH101: control alt and t should do it
[12:23] <tdn> head_victim, I am thinking that I can run a VNC client in listen mode from a remote server via ssh with X forwarding. Then my friend can establish a connection to my listening client on the remote server.
[12:23] <tdn> head_victim, the third server is not behind NAT.
[12:24] <head_victim> tdn: so point a is you, point b is your friend, what is this third server?
[12:24] <AJH101> head_victim: great thans i have terminal. now what?
[12:24] <head_victim> AJH101: that was the easy part, looking up the rest sorry
[12:24] <tdn> head_victim, point C. Not behind NAT.
[12:24] <tdn> head_victim, so I am thinking: A->C ; B->C
[12:25] <head_victim> AJH101: killall gnome-panel is meant to do it
[12:25] <tdn> So I ssh to C with X forwarding and start a VNC client in listen mode.
[12:25] <head_victim> tdn: sounds messy but plausible.
[12:25] <tdn> head_victim, then B connects his VNC to C.
[12:25] <tdn> head_victim, I can do this if the other side is Windows with TightVNC. Is TightVNC available with Ubuntu?
[12:26] <head_victim> Yep
[12:26] <head_victim> I only use tightvnc
[12:26] <AJH101> head_victim: no process found
[12:26] <head_victim> AJH101: ah , hang on I'll find another idea
[12:26] <AJH101> h_v: ta
[12:27] <head_victim> AJH101: "sudo gnome-panel" should bring them up
[12:27] <head_victim> Is this a once off or everytime you boot?
[12:27] <AJH101> h_v: it was fine but is now everytime i boot. any ideas?
[12:28] <tdn> head_victim, Ok. How do I make tightvnc connect to a listening client from Ubuntu?
[12:28] <AJH101> h_v: gnome-panel command not found
[12:28] <head_victim> tdn: I only use ubuntu to ubuntu, no idea how to incorporate the third server you were talking about
[12:28] <head_victim> AJH101: is this Ubuntu or Kubuntu or ?
[12:28] <AJH101> ubuntu 10.10
[12:28] <tdn> head_victim, I run this on the server now: vncviewer -listen 0
[12:29] <head_victim> AJH101: have you removed any software recently?
[12:29] <AJH101> i thin the only ones i have removed are evolution and empathy
[12:29] <AJH101> think
[12:30] <head_victim> AHhh I saw some noise about evolution removing panel
[12:30] <AJH101> eek. now what?
[12:32] <head_victim> AJH101: sudo apt-get update
[12:32] <head_victim> then
[12:32] <head_victim> AJH101: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[12:32] <head_victim> see if that works
[12:32] <head_victim> I'm taking this from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1099714 but make sure you read all the comments first before doing any other ideas
[12:34] <AJH101> hmm still no panels but i will read thanks
[12:34] <head_victim> Were there any errros after sudo apt-get install gnome-panel ?
[12:36] <AJH101> h_v: no it all seemed to run ok. thin a restart is in order?!
[12:36] <head_victim> Possibly
[12:36] <M0hi> head_victim, kill all gnome-panel is done?
[12:36] <head_victim> M0hi: yeah he lost it after uninstalling evolution I think
[12:36] <head_victim> I have had him reinstall it now
[12:36] <head_victim> The forum link I gave a few lines up seems a pretty good explanation
[12:37] <AJH101> may as for that again. brb
[12:37] <M0hi> head_victim, mostly I did http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4663517&postcount=9
[12:37] <M0hi> and that gave some success
[12:38] <head_victim> Ah, I found the other one googling "ubuntu removing evolution removed gnome-panel" or something
[12:38] <M0hi> philinux, hmm! often come here and show that you are here with us ;)
[12:38] <M0hi> head_victim, but he left :P
[12:38] <head_victim> I'd say evolution has gnome-panel mixed up in it and removed it along with evolution so reinstalling it should work
[12:38] <head_victim> He's rebooting I think
[12:39] <M0hi> Lets see
[12:39] <head_victim> Heh
[12:39] <head_victim> Now, we wait.
[12:39] <head_victim> :D
[12:39] <head_victim> I wonder why my upload is hitting 100kb/s when torrents are only 20. Ohh rsync in progress, up to 4.2MBs  down might be doing it
[12:39] <M0hi> lol :P
[12:40] <M0hi> check your ip table too :P
[12:41] <head_victim> It's going up and down with the download speed so I'd say the rsync is the issue.
[12:41] <head_victim> It's all unmetered so I don't mind so much (I run a local Ubuntu mirror at home for the home network)
[12:41] <M0hi> ah. k k
[12:42] <head_victim> It took 2 days for the first rsync ;)
[12:42] <head_victim> Actually pretty good for a residential connection in my country
[12:43] <M0hi> I dont wanna talk about the situation here :P
[12:44] <M0hi> AJH101, wb
[12:44] <AJH101> h_v: panels bac on restart but i have an error
[12:45] <M0hi> yeah whats the error? if you can, imagebin it
[12:45] <AJH101> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet".
[12:45] <AJH101> delete or not? not sure what it does! lol
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> We've got a patroller? philinux? :)
[12:46] <head_victim> AJH101: I never delete
[12:46] <head_victim> All it does is next time you restart it will try to load it again
[12:46] <M0hi> MrChrisDruif, watch out :P
[12:47] <hobgoblin> I should
[12:47] <head_victim> I have had that error before, it went away on it's own. BUT if it persists, please see a doct.. I mean come back and let us know ;)
[12:47]  * philinux is watching sky sports.  I am going ot join the company by Feb 17 =]
[12:49] <M0hi> duanedesign, Hello there (;
[12:49] <hobgoblin> congrats M0hi and hi duanedesign
[12:49] <M0hi> ty hobgoblin (;
[12:58] <AJH101> hello again - one more quick thing. how do i delay the auto start of, say thunderbird by 10 seconds to allow network to connect?
[13:07] <head_victim> AJH101: it doesn't just wait for the network then connect?
[13:07] <head_victim> I thought it would auto connect when the network came up, despite being running ok before hand
[13:08] <AJH101> perhaps - i remember some time ago when i was running an earlier version i set up a delay (with lots of help lol)
[13:09] <AJH101> remind me how i set up auto start please?
[13:10] <AJH101> startup applications - got it :-)
[13:30] <tdn> head_victim, x11vnc -connect <host> did the trick :D
[13:30] <head_victim> tdn: so glad you got it sorted, sorry I couldn't help much
[13:58] <aldee96> test
[13:58] <arief1> hello
[13:59] <MrChrisDruif> Good test aldee96 :)
[14:00] <aldee96> i have some probs with vlc, the webcam goes only black and white. it happens after i played with some setting in vls
[14:00] <aldee96> vlc i mean
[14:00] <arief1> what is log said aldee96 ?
[14:00] <aldee96> what logs?
[14:01] <aldee96> it's just always played with black and white effect
[14:01] <aldee96> do you know how to returned it back?
[14:04] <arief1> mybe you can find something here http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9386373
[14:04] <aldee96> arief1 are you indonesian?
[14:05] <arief1> yup
[14:05] <arief1> I am
[14:09] <aldee96> wah tinggal dimana?
[14:13] <aldee96> arief1 solusi itu untuk file video bukan untuk webcam seperti masalah saya
[14:24] <AJH101> hello again - am on a roll now - i have searched all the pages but has anyone got any magic bullets to get skype video woring?!
[14:24] <hobgoblin> please keep to english in this channel - there is probably a loco channel for your language
[14:24] <paultag> AJH101: I've got it working :)
[14:24] <paultag> AJH101: what's your issue?
[14:24] <paultag> morning hobgoblin
[14:25] <hobgoblin> hi paultag
[14:25] <paultag> :)
[14:25] <AJH101> when i 'test video' in 'options' my screen whites out
[14:26] <paultag> AJH101: the whole screen or the window
[14:26] <paultag> AJH101: or the little webcam thing
[14:26] <AJH101> whole screen
[14:26] <paultag> no shit
[14:26] <paultag> AJH101: that's awesome
[14:26] <paultag> in a bad way, but awesome
[14:26] <AJH101> i feel really blessed lol
[14:26] <paultag> AJH101: I've never heard of that, that's brilliant
[14:27] <paultag> AJH101: humm. Let's see here
[14:28] <M0hi> who let paultag to talk? :P
[14:28]  * M0hi hugs paultag
[14:30] <paultag> hey M0hi
[14:30] <paultag> AJH101: damn. Have you tried the LDPRELOAD hack? I wonder if it's not because of v4l fuxing display drivers, although that sounds absurd
[14:31] <AJH101> i have read about that i thin but wasnt sure how to make it work
[14:32] <paultag> AJH101: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so skype
[14:32] <paultag> AJH101: that's a usable command
[14:32] <AJH101> how?
[14:33] <paultag> AJH101: in a terminal :)
[14:33] <AJH101> brb!
[14:37] <paultag> :)
[14:38] <aldee96> is there anyone could help me?
[14:38] <paultag> !ask | aldee96
[14:38] <ubot2> aldee96: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[14:38] <paultag> aldee96: lots of people :)
[14:39] <AJH101> paultag: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2cconvert.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[14:39] <aldee96> about my webcam that always come with b/w effect, but the fact is no effect applied, it's happen after i played with some settings in vlc
[14:39] <paultag> aldee96: are you on 64 bit or some such?
[14:40] <paultag> aldee96: in what application?
[14:40] <aldee96> 32 bit ubuntu 10.10, on vaio
[14:40] <aldee96> paultag in any apps that using a webcam
[14:40] <paultag> aldee96: what webcam?
[14:41] <paultag> AJH101: sorry, are you on 64 bit?
[14:41] <AJH101> 32
[14:41] <aldee96> on built in camera. vaio vgp-vcc6 on 32 bit ubuntu maverick
[14:41] <paultag> AJH101: sudo apt-get install libv4l-0
[14:42] <paultag> aldee96: are you using the R5U870 driver?
[14:43] <aldee96> yes, by the way why i have to install the libv4l-0
[14:43] <aldee96> +paultag yes
[14:43] <paultag> aldee96: I told AJH101 not you :)
[14:44] <AJH101> paultag: quit skype and restarted - same issue
[14:45] <paultag> AJH101: dang
[14:45] <paultag> aldee96: I'm not sure. That driver looks unmaintained and poorly supported. It might have broke with the bindings
[14:45] <paultag> webcams in Linux sucks, generally
[14:45] <aldee96> it was works fine before
[14:46] <paultag> aldee96: with an old Ubuntu?
[14:46] <AJH101> paultag: even when i start with LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so skype
[14:46] <paultag> AJH101: yes, so it's not an issue with skype or v4l, it's something to do with your display drivers
[14:47] <AJH101> o good
[14:47] <aldee96> i just installed the r5u870 yesterday and it works fine in this ubuntu maverick
[14:47] <paultag> aldee96: oh interesting
[14:47] <paultag> aldee96: do you have `cheese' installed?
[14:49] <aldee96> yes, just like in vlc there's only the b/w picture of the webcam, though there's no effect applied
[14:49] <paultag> aldee96: try appling something and then unapplying it
[14:49] <paultag> aldee96: such as black and white, or the like
[14:51] <AJH101> paultag: i installed cheese. my cam is recognised but no video at all
[14:51] <aldee96> +paultag not working
[14:52] <paultag> aldee96: hummmm. perhaps I'm wrong
[14:52] <paultag> aldee96: I'm going to level with you here -- webcams are my nightmare, I really am not too good at getting these sorts of things resolved
[14:52] <paultag> I've seriously let a handful of people out of here with an issue still, and most of them are webcam-ers
[14:52] <paultag> aldee96: I'd suggest asking in #ubuntu, see if anyone knows there
[14:53] <paultag> AJH101: as for you, it sounds like something funny's going on
[14:53] <aldee96> i've asking but there's no reply yet
[14:53] <AJH101> lol laugh a minute here
[14:54] <paultag> aldee96: post once, wait 5 minutes, post again, wait 5 minutes
[14:54] <paultag> AJH101: :)
[14:55] <AJH101> its this and the general instability that puts people off. lots of help i know but...
[14:56] <paultag> AJH101: I know, I know
[14:56] <paultag> AJH101: webcams are a nightmare
[14:56] <paultag> AJH101: it's really hard to change because hardware is so unique with protocol, and drivers only exist for Winblows
[14:56] <paultag> AJH101: so we have to spend hundreds of man-hours fighting crappy hardware
[14:56] <paultag> this is why we need standards :)
[14:57] <AJH101> ah standards yes
[14:57] <paultag> but you're so right
[14:57] <paultag> it's shit like this that makes people not use GNU/Linux
[14:58] <AJH101> i suppose if chrome takes hold it will open people's eyes and the market
[14:58] <paultag> AJH101: truth, but the real issue ( just like ACPI / Hibernate ) is crappy implementations of ACPI or what have you
[14:59] <paultag> AJH101: so when some fly-by-night company thinks they're doing shit better, it just causes issues
[14:59] <paultag> there should be like 10 drivers in GNU/Linux by default, and hardware should conform to the protocols
[14:59] <AJH101> when do we get ubuntu on mobile phones?
[14:59] <paultag> not 5-fucking-thousand
[14:59] <paultag> AJH101: hehe, not sure :)
[14:59] <paultag> AJH101: android is a nice stand-in for now
[15:00] <AJH101> yes my next phone will be android
[15:00] <AJH101> is there an app somewhere to allow android apps on ubuntu?
[15:01] <paultag> AJH101: I have no clue. Why?
[15:01] <paultag> AJH101: you can run it in a SDK
[15:01] <AJH101> sorry - what?
[15:02] <paultag> AJH101: there is an android emulator
[15:03] <AJH101> where do i find the andoid emulator?
[15:03] <paultag> AJH101: moment
[15:03] <paultag> AJH101: http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing.html
[15:04] <AJH101> paultag: tanks. will check at #ubuntu re video drivers
[15:04] <AJH101> ttfn
[15:04] <paultag> AJH101: tt
[15:07] <head_victim> I'm waiting on meego for a phone.
[15:17] <_CommandeR_> hiya guys
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[17:28] <Guegs> So I just installed Ubuntu for the 5th or 6th time because I would always get issues with my ATI 5770 gfx card and the windows becoming jagged when moving them. I decided to download the drivers from ATI's site instead of through the driver manager built into Ubuntu this time. I right click on the .run file I downloaded, change  its permission to allow execute as a program, and I get an MD5 error. Any ideas?
[17:29] <aveilleux> Guegs: Try re-downloading, then changing permissions via command-line instead (the graphical method doesn't always work)
[17:30] <aveilleux> Guegs: I can walk you through it if you need me to
[17:30] <Guegs> Alright, thanks. I will give it a try redownloading first.
[17:30] <Guegs> http://pastebin.com/tD31bzGZ
[17:30] <Guegs> that is the error I was getting anyway.
[17:31] <aveilleux> Guegs: Oh, I see, the error is with the program itself.
[17:31] <aveilleux> Guegs: Yeah I'd suggest re-downlading it
[17:31] <Guegs> Alright. It is going. Hope this works. :)
[17:32] <Guegs> This is a screenshot of the issue I am having with the windows.
[17:32] <Guegs> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3003262/Screenshot.png
[17:35] <bobbyj> anybody know how to share your aircard internet connection over a router?
[17:40] <Guegs> aveilleux, this is what I get without any drivers installed:
[17:40] <Guegs> http://i56.tinypic.com/v3mud0.png
[17:41] <aveilleux> woah
[17:41] <aveilleux> Guegs: Are you using the binary ("restricted") or open-source drivers?
[17:41] <Guegs> Ya, and look at the one where I had drivers installed.
[17:42] <Guegs> At the moment, I am using whatever Ubuntu came with. I literally just finished the installation 10 minutes ago.
[17:42] <Guegs> But the first picture I sent, I was using flgrx.
[17:42] <aveilleux> Guegs: Did you install the restricted drivers using System > Administration > Additional Drivers?
[17:43] <Guegs> Correct. But when that didn't work for me I was going to download the ones from ATI's site and install that way.
[17:43] <aveilleux> Guegs: Okay, just seeing if you used the applet or installed manually through apt-get or Synaptic.
[17:44] <Guegs> I thought that perhaps Ubuntu was downloading old drivers and thus giving me the messed up windows.
[17:44] <aveilleux> Guegs: That's possible
[17:44] <aveilleux> Guegs: I don't have any ATi video cards (that aren't old and therefore fully supported under the oss drivers) so I don't really know much about them on Linux
[17:45] <Guegs> Darn. I have talked to many people with the same card as mine (5770), and they say that it works fine for them. I thought maybe my card was defective, so I stress tested it. Nothing.
[19:19] <geirha> That askubuntu site is hard to follow
[20:26] <AJH101> hi how do i find out my video chipset to get the right ubuntu drivers?
[20:27] <geirha> In a terminal:  lspci | grep VGA
[20:28] <geirha> Use everything after the : in a google search, and add "ubuntu" as a search word and you'll usually get useful results.
[21:05] <bp7lax> how do u private message some one in XChat IRC
[21:09] <aveilleux> bp7lax: Right-click on their name and hit "Open Dialog Window"
[21:09] <aveilleux> bp7lax: Or, type /query <name>
[21:18] <ibuclaw> aveilleux, /msg aveilleux secret message usually works.
[21:19] <aveilleux> ibuclaw: Usually, but only if the client improperly handles /msg as /query
[21:24] <AJH101> hi do you know where i can find ubuntu drivers for: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)?
[21:37] <aveilleux> AJH101: Intel's driver is FOSS and you shouldn't need one.
[21:38] <pedro3005> aveilleux, oh my god
[21:38] <AJH101> in skype the webcam is slow to show video
[21:38] <pedro3005> I can't believe I didn't know about /query
[21:38] <AJH101> any other ideas?
[21:38] <pedro3005> I've been typing /msg
[21:38] <pedro3005> D:
[21:39] <aveilleux> AJH101: Well that video chipset is... not very good...
[21:39] <aveilleux> pedro3005: Luckily for you, no one else has been using irssi you've been PMing with :P
[21:39] <aveilleux> pedro3005: Usually only CLI clients handle /msg from a user as an inline message
[21:40] <aveilleux> pedro3005: As opposed to just opening a new tab/window, like a /query should
[21:40]  * ddecator didn't realize that
[21:40] <pedro3005> I see
[22:42] <learningtouse> ok so am running win 7 dual boot with ubuntu ... ubuntu is recognized but wont load into graphical interface something to do with bcdedit... downloaded bcdedit 2.0 now how do i get it to point to ubuntu... loaded mbr onto the partition but still isnt working right
[22:42] <learningtouse> help?
[22:43] <learningtouse> keeps saying wubildr.mbr is missing
[22:44] <bioterror> ive got no experience with wubi
[22:45] <bioterror> sorry, maybe someone else can help
[22:45] <learningtouse> ya it is being a serious stinker
[22:46] <bioterror> to be honest, I havent heard much good about it
[22:46] <ddecator> i've had trouble with windows not playing friendly with wubi, but i'm not sure that's the issue here
[22:47] <learningtouse> install to seperate partition went fine... just trying to get it to recognize the mbr seems to be the problem
[22:48] <learningtouse> need to change the bootloader path from: Bootloader Path: \ubuntu\winboot\wubildr.mbr to Bootloader Path: \Windows\system32\winload.exe maybe
[22:49] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: ping
[22:49] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: hey
[22:49] <holstein> whatsup?
[22:49] <ddecator> the issue i had was windows sometimes moves wubi files automatically because it doesn't like them for some reason, so that could be why they're missing
[22:49] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: this is totally OC, but might interest you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlVbEclPj4c
[22:51] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: lol
[22:52] <kristian-aalborg> It think it's cool... if the tune's good enough, you can play it in almost any way
[22:52] <learningtouse> maybe that is what is happening? i loaded it up fine and directed to load mbr which seems to have loaded fine... but doesnt want to play with 7
[22:52] <holstein> carbon fiber cellos :)
[22:53] <holstein> yeah, its cool, the video is funny
[22:55] <kristian-aalborg> checking another video by one of the handsome guys... he can play
[22:56] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: thanks :)
[22:56]  * holstein gotta run... BBL
[22:56] <kristian-aalborg> sorry 'bout the deroute, y'all
[22:56] <kristian-aalborg> see ya, holstein


[01:56] <animalgunz40> so theres other people on here or im speaking to bots
 Only people here.
 Only bots, actually!
[02:14] <animalgunz40> hu botsa
[02:14] <animalgunz40> capish intaliono
[08:03] <iomari891> greetings, is there way to change only my lock screen? Not the background, I mean the app itself. If I switch fromm sddm will my lockscreen change also?
[08:15] <mmikowski> iomari891: lock screen is plasma specific.
[08:15] <mmikowski> See System Settings > Workspace > Screen Locking. Configure there.
[08:16] <mmikowski> hope that helps! nn
[08:23] <iomari891> mmikowski: Thanks but I'm actually trying to troubleshoot why I can't login on my lockscreen. THis has been an issue since I was on 22.04. I'm now on 22.10. If I create a new user, lock screen works. But my user doesn't work. I have to use loginctl unlock-sessions which is frustrating.
 just upgraded to Kubuntu 22.10 KDE Plasma version 5.27.1  how can i re instal  Install Gis-Weather in kubuntu 22.10. i lost my witget?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:39] <Guest5394> hat jemandahnung vom chatGPT
[17:22] <cmdbbq> Hi! My system seems to have lost track of my HDMI audio device in some recent, unsuppervised update and I was hoping for some help in trying to get it back. I ran alsa-info and it says that only an HDA-Intel card is recognized by alsa but the next section shows two PCI cards installed in the system and lists the HDMI audio first. I am on a relatively fresh install of 22.10. Has anyone else observed these
[17:22] <cmdbbq> issues after a recent (last couple of weeks) update?
[17:29] <cmdbbq> I thought maybe some module was unloaded but it seems that I should ust need snd_hda_intel which is returned by lsmod, so I'm somewhat stumped.
[18:05] <cmdbbq> brb
[19:43] <mmikowski> cmdbbq: This is an issue with latest hwe kernel.
[20:07] <mmikowski> cmdbbq: https://launchpad.net/bugs/2009136
[20:07] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 2009136 in linux (Ubuntu Kinetic) "No HDMI audio under 5.19.0-35 (regression from -32)" [Undecided, In Progress]
[20:08] <user|48> is Kubuntu available in ARM64 architecture as of yet?
[20:09] <cmdbbq> mmikowski: Yes! This is my issue! Many thanks!
[20:10] <mmikowski> cmdbbq: kfocus held back the very latest kernel for this reason.
[20:11] <mmikowski> Rollback 5.19.0-32.33~22.04.1 should do the trick. It's probably even still available in your grub menu.
[20:12] <user|48> many platforms will write a version for the raspberry pi.. but running into frequent incompatibilities on Khadas Edge 2 Pro without a general generic install being available from many platforms..
[20:13] <cmdbbq> mmikowski: Just finished making changes to /etc/default/grub to stick with the older kernel for now. I've never had to do that before! Always a good time, learning new things.
[20:13] <mmikowski> user|48 I installed kubuntu on the Nvidia TK1 about 8 years ago now (!), and even then it worked quite well.
[20:14] <mmikowski> cmdbbq: We vet all new kernels to avoid these sorts of things. Ubuntu do a great job testing on lots of hardware, but they can't test everything.
[20:15] <user|48> Ubuntu + Android are the stock net installs for edge 2..


[05:10] <didrocks> good morning
[05:43] <pitti> Godo morning
[05:46] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti :)
[05:57] <pitti> hey didrocks
[05:57] <pitti> err, and I can't type
[05:59] <didrocks> :)
[06:08] <pitti> anyone who knows about webapps-applications? we need a new upload to fix bug 1065246 (fixed in trunk apparently)
[06:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065246 in webapps-applications "Strings not extracted for translation because of single quotation marks" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065246
[06:12] <didrocks> pitti: let me look at it
[06:12] <chrisccoulson_> good morning everyone
[06:12] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson_
[06:12] <pitti> didrocks: bug 1064576 as well; shall I ping Ken about it?
[06:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064576 in webapps-applications "Gmail webapp needs internationalization" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064576
[06:12] <didrocks> pitti: ok, it seems safe enough to simply backport, want me to do it? (we had in the past few days some features+bug fixes mixed, hence my frightening moment ;))
[06:12] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson_, good morning
[06:13] <chrisccoulson_> hi micahg. how did the testing go overnight?
[06:13] <pitti> didrocks: oui, merci!
[06:13] <didrocks> pitti: if it can wait for ken, sure, but isn't that more urgent?
[06:13] <didrocks> how are you chrisccoulson_?
[06:13] <chrisccoulson_> hi pitti, how are you?
[06:13] <chrisccoulson_> hi didrocks. i'm good thanks, but a bit tired
[06:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: we're in progress, quantal is ready to roll morning US time once arm* finishes, I'm finishing up firefox
[06:13] <pitti> didrocks: not sure when the release team shuts the doors this time
[06:13] <chrisccoulson_> had quite a late night last night
[06:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson_: quite fine, thanks!
[06:13] <chrisccoulson_> micahg, cool, thanks!
[06:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks for getting the builds up so quickly
[06:14] <didrocks> pitti: bug #1064576 seems to only have been a missing translation template approval, right?
[06:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064576 in webapps-applications "Gmail webapp needs internationalization" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064576
[06:14] <chrisccoulson> heh, no worries :)
[06:15] <pitti> didrocks: perhaps; it's a universe package, but due to a LP bug I'd advise against using X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes for now
[06:15] <didrocks> I don't really understand dpm's "Would it be possible to give translators a day or two and then do a
[06:15] <didrocks> translations-only upload?
[06:15] <didrocks> "
[06:15] <pitti> so we'll need to use the upstream translations in the .debs
[06:16] <didrocks> pitti: ah -gmail
[06:16]  * didrocks is lost in all those webapps* :p
[06:16] <didrocks> ok, yeah ;)
[06:16] <didrocks> pitti: so keeping on the radar and waiting dpm green flag for fetching the translation and uploading
[06:16] <didrocks> backporting the other one
[06:19] <pitti> didrocks: ok, thanks; these are all universe, so I guess we can handle them next week still
[06:19] <didrocks> pitti: not unity-webapps-common
[06:20] <didrocks> with the Amazon and Twitter scripts
[06:21] <pitti> oh, right
[06:23]  * didrocks grumbles something about people using source 3 and merge-upstream
[06:39] <didrocks> pitti: argh, latest webapps-applications is not in the vcs :/
[06:40]  * didrocks sees at least 3 uploads missing the vcs
[06:40] <didrocks> I checked the vcs, but did se 2.4.6-0ubuntu3 and distro has 2.4.7-0ubuntu3
[06:40] <didrocks> juts looked at ubuntu3, didn't saw the 6 > 7
[06:48] <jibel> good morning
[06:49] <didrocks> hey jibel, how are you?
[06:49] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks , ça va et toi ?
[06:50] <didrocks> ça va bien :)
[07:25] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i've got to go through the "deleting packages dance" again with my PPA :/
[07:25] <chrisccoulson> (ie, delete packages and then wait for the rest of the day for the space to clear)
[07:58] <seb128> hey
[07:58] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:58] <seb128> hey didrocks ;-)
[07:59] <mvo> hey seb128 and didrocks
[07:59] <didrocks> morning mvo :)
[07:59] <seb128> hey mvo, wie gehts?
[07:59] <mvo> seb128: its release week
[08:00] <seb128> mvo, iz crazy week for you right? ;-)
[08:00] <mvo> seb128: its ok but I had several small heart attacks in the last couple of days
[08:01] <mvo> seb128: is it calmer for you?
[08:01] <seb128> mvo, yeah, they won't let me work after hard freeze :p
[08:02] <mvo> haha
[08:02] <seb128> ;-)
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, I'm good, how are you?
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks, but quite tired
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, late hacking again?
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, late firefox release ;)
[08:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, I think firefox was released on wednesday
[08:17] <seb128> ups
[08:17] <seb128> tuesday
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, but then http://www.thespanner.co.uk/2012/10/10/firefox-knows-what-your-friends-did-last-summer/ ;)
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799991
[08:18] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 799991 in Release Engineering "Please pull FF16.0 off the wire completely" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[08:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, *fun*
[08:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no cookie for the mozilla guys on that one
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no cookie for the guy who blogged about it without warning them ;)
[08:23] <seb128> that as well
[08:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so did they roll a 16.1?
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, they did that fairly quickly
[08:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, where is the release for us?
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+packages
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> (just waiting on arm builds)
[08:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what about quantal? did you guys talk to the release guys?
[08:26] <Laney> that'll be the 10 source packages we had to keep the buildds clear for yesterday eh
[08:26] <Laney> morning :-)
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> infinity and cjwatson helped last night to make sure we had build capacity for them all
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, hey
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, they're aware of it already :)
[08:26] <seb128> great
[08:26] <Laney> quantal is finishing right now
[08:29] <mlankhorst> only 2180 packages remaining on arm :p
[08:29] <Laney> that's just the test rebuild
[08:29] <mlankhorst> ah
[08:30] <Laney> bit late ...
[08:30] <mlankhorst> it's been going for a few weeks now
[08:30] <Laney> there was supposed to be one around FF-ish IIRC, but it didn't happen
[08:31] <Laney> then we had the arm builders being offlined every 5 minutes until earlier this week
[08:31] <mlankhorst> yeah was wondering why there were so few around
[08:41] <pitti> wow -- patch review in 3 minutes! gnome bug 685936
[08:41] <ubot2> Gnome bug 685936 in plugins "gsd-test-* programs miss notify_init()" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685936
[08:48] <seb128> pitti, nice!
[09:40] <doko> here are some desktop'ish build failures (all universe) ...
[09:40] <doko> epiphany-extensions
[09:41] <doko> vala-0.10, valatoys
[09:48] <seb128> doko, is there anything still using vala-0.10? seems like a source we might want to drop from the archive
[09:48] <seb128> we have 5 versions of vala in the archive still? (current is 0.18)
[09:48] <Laney> there is already an RM bug for that
[09:49] <Laney> but it still has rdepends
[09:49] <doko> I would love it ...
[09:49] <Laney> cf avant-window-navigator on #-devel kust now
[09:49] <doko> Colin mentioned this one yes
[10:04] <seb128> Laney, how busy are you? want to have a look to awn?
[10:04] <Laney> seb128: sure, I'll take a look in a bit
[10:04] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[10:06] <Laney> is geary any good?
[10:09] <Sweetshark> moin!
[10:09] <RAOF> Laney: I dunno; it can't actually access any of my mail.
[10:10] <RAOF> Laney: I'm hugely supportive of the concept, however.
[10:11] <Laney> haha, well I got a listing of my inbox and then it segfaulted
[10:13] <RAOF> Laney: Well, that's one up on me then :)
[10:13] <RAOF> Woah! We've got geary in Universe?
[10:13] <Laney> now I'm getting mail :-)
[10:13] <Laney> yeah that's what reminded me of it
[10:13] <Laney> (reviewing seb128's upload)
[10:14] <tsdgeos> any help in finding which branch in lp has our patches for accountsservice?
[10:15] <tsdgeos> i know there's a command that tells me that
[10:15] <tsdgeos> i just don't remember it :D
[10:15] <Sweetshark> seb128: but a session restart solved the issue for me yesterday (like comment 5 said) .... *sigh*
[10:15] <Sweetshark> seb128: I see the issue again now though.
[10:19] <Laney> tsdgeos: you're probably referring to the Vcs- fields in apt-cache showsrc accountsservice
[10:20] <tsdgeos> pprobably
[10:20] <Laney> but those point to Debian, so it's probably not right
[10:20] <tsdgeos> let me chec
[10:20] <tsdgeos> +k
[10:20] <tsdgeos> right, not correct
[10:20] <tsdgeos> Laney: any idea how to find out the branch then?
[10:21] <Laney> tsdgeos: If there's not one under ~ubuntu-desktop then there might not be a dedicated branch
[10:21] <Laney> apt-get source accountsservice will get you what's in the archive
[10:22] <tsdgeos> Laney: there is a dedicated one
[10:22] <tsdgeos> since we have lots of extra patches
[10:22] <tsdgeos> it has to be somewhere :D
[10:23] <Laney> that doesn't mean there is a VCS branch
[10:23] <Laney> we have the archive
[10:23] <tsdgeos> oh wait, just relaized the patches are also in the debian thingie
[10:24] <tsdgeos> Laney: what does "we have the archive" mean?
[10:25] <tsdgeos> do we do changes in stuff and not store them on VCS?
[10:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, it's happening consistently across reboot here... let me know if you need debug infos
[10:44] <seb128> Laney, RAOF: hey, geary in universe ;-)
[10:44] <seb128> Laney, they focussed mostly on gmail I think, works fine with it there, but it segfaults with my french provider account
[10:45] <Laney> it pretty much works on subsequent launches
[10:45] <Laney> I managed to send a mail with it :-)
[10:46] <Laney> not really doing threading right yet though
[10:46] <davidcalle> seb128, I had a segfault too (ovh mail account) on the first two launches, but it works now (without my folders, which make it a bit useless, though).
[10:46] <Laney> folders are under "Labels" here
[10:46] <seb128> yeah, I guess they really focussed on the gmail experience ;-)
[10:47] <davidcalle> Laney, empty for me :)
[10:47] <Laney> :(
[10:48] <davidcalle> But proper mail notifications with the sender's face on it is nice :)
[11:59] <Laney> seb128: how much effort do you think it's worth spending on awn?
[11:59] <Laney> it needs quite a bit more porting AFAICS
[11:59] <seb128> Laney, 2-3 hours
[12:00] <Laney> ok then
[12:01] <Laney> I'll push at it a bit more after lunch
[12:03] <doko> one more glib related ftbfs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libio-async-loop-glib-perl/0.20-2/+build/3868386
[12:03] <seb128> Laney, how much time did you spend, how much do you think it will take? that's assuming also that you don't higher priority (like default install issues) things you want to work on
[12:03] <doko> looks i386 only
[12:24] <seb128> doko, sorry, we don't have really resources,time for universe build issues
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> hah, http://www.thespanner.co.uk/2012/10/10/firefox-knows-what-your-friends-did-last-summer/#comment-2287
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> "Why did you disclose this before Mozilla was able to fix this?"
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> "He missed out on a 3000 USD bug bounty by doing so"
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> unlucky!
[12:26] <doko> seb128, however you should have resources for archive maintenance. the pointer just to universe becomes boring over time
[12:26] <seb128> doko, talk to jasoncwarner_ or rickspencer3
[12:26] <seb128> but I'm not the one settings up the resources or priorities and we haven't been allocated resources to fix the universe builds
[12:46] <xnox> seb128: FTBFS is kind of broken windows for us. They eventually creep up and catch us unexpectedly (e.g. apt-get holding back, sru not building, etc. ). It is technical dept. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
[12:47] <xnox> if the resources are not there, that needs fixing.
[12:51] <seb128> xnox, if I had my say I would agressively drop unmaintained stuff, I think universe is not the solution anyway, it's not flexible enough and in the hands of wrong people
[12:51] <seb128> xnox, we should just let app writers maintain their stuff out of our release cycle and freezes in extras.ubuntu.com,s-c
[12:51] <seb128> xnox, it's like asking google or apple to debug,maintain all the apps in their appstore
[12:51] <seb128> it doesn't make sense
[12:53] <xnox> seb128: the counter argument (tongue in cheek is): there are many employees maintaining macports are constantly rebuilding $universe ports archive on mac os x. how else would apple developers know that their base system works, if it can't even compile simple apps.
[12:53] <seb128> xnox, "wrong people"... nothing against MOTU but you can't ask a small group of people (as amazing that they can be) to be responsible for all the bugs of softwares written by others around the glob
[12:54] <xnox> seb128: and if not universe, where else would we promote stuff up into main when we need it for one reason or another.
[12:54] <seb128> xnox, I'm fine having an universe, I'm not just fine saying we need to fix any non maintained software there
[12:54] <seb128> stuff non maintained can be dropped as far as I'm concerned
[12:54] <seb128> they can also come back if somebody cares enough to fix them and bring them back
[12:55] <xnox> seb128: true, but transitions affect the archive. when boost1.49 happened, I did drive it to the conclusion of removing boost1.46/1.42 from the archive. Including all stale optional or dependencies.
[12:55] <seb128> xnox, well, we can spend our life fixing universe unmaintained stuff and we would do nothing else and it wouldn't be enough
[12:56] <seb128> xnox, or we can spend that time making a really solid rocking system app writers can develop for
[12:56] <xnox> seb128: there is chicken and egg there, nobody knows that stuff is "unmaintained" until new stack gets uploaded and full archive rebuild happens. It's not unmaintained there is latency which doesn't fit that well with 6 months release cycle.
[12:57] <seb128> xnox, well, fine, let's see it's not part of my job mission to save the world and fix every bug in every app written on earth or elsewhere in the universe
[12:57] <seb128> ;-)
[12:57] <seb128> let's say*
[12:57] <xnox> ok.
[12:57] <seb128> xnox, if somebody else want to do that please do
[12:57] <seb128> but I'm focussed on making our default desktop work great
[12:58] <seb128> and that's enough work to keep me busy (and I think it impacts on more people that fixing vala-10 in universe when we are using vala-0.18)
[12:58] <xnox> but I don't see the difference between extras.u.c and universe thogh. If half of the apps are ported to new glib _well after quantal_ release and the other half isn't.... will you force users to install one app at a time and remove the other apps?
[12:58] <seb128> you have to pick your battles
[12:58] <seb128> xnox, e.u.c targets the platform defined
[12:59] <seb128> for an appdeveloper to send an app for quantal that has to build on quantal
[12:59] <seb128> so you never get a "non building source" in
[13:01] <xnox> seb128: are you telling me all apps will be removed on user's machine on upgrade if the app is not in quantal? that's not what happens ...
[13:02] <seb128> xnox, no, why would you need to remove anything because it fails to build?
[13:02] <seb128> libs are forward compatible
[13:02] <seb128> or change soname
[13:02] <seb128> in which case you can still have the old soname installed
[13:02] <seb128> I just don't believe that "the world should be fixed to build on quantal on release day" is a valid goal
[13:03] <seb128> we should focus on the release
[13:03] <seb128> and if "awn is made available for quantal" in 3 weeks that's fine
[13:27] <xnox> seb128: if it was forward compatible, it would not cause rdeps to FTBFS.
[13:28] <xnox> anyway enough of this. you made it clear that although you care, it's not a goal you have time to work on.
[13:28] <Laney> this is us trying to deprecate an old version of vala
[13:28] <Laney> more than deprecate, remove
[14:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: ping when you have a second
[14:18] <tsdgeos> actually more like 5 min :d
[14:18] <mterry> tsdgeos, hi!  :)  what's up?
[14:19] <tsdgeos> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1043349
[14:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1043349 in accountsservice "User Accounts reports wrong "Automatic Login" status when upgading from 12.04" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:19] <tsdgeos> mterry: pitti told me you might know what to do with that patch
[14:19] <tsdgeos> i was unable to find if we have launchpad branches for it or we just use directly the debian package or what
[14:20] <rodrigo_> hmm, what's up with ia32-libs, it seems to be uninstallable here
[14:20] <tsdgeos> mterry: though now i see the unref may be a bit too soon
[14:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, we aren't in sync with debian and we don't have a packaging branch
[14:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, so it's just apt-get source, apply patch, dput it
[14:21] <tsdgeos> mterry: that confuses me :D
[14:21] <tsdgeos> i see
[14:23] <mterry> tsdgeos, so you're saying this patch needs some more work?
[14:23] <tsdgeos> mterry: i need to verify one thing, give me 3 minutes
[14:26] <tsdgeos> mterry: yep, it needs a change, i'll ping you in 30 or so again, sorry for the noise, but good to know you can handle it
[14:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, why do you need it? with multiarch it has been deprecated
[14:30] <rodrigo_> seb128, seems my android emulator needs it, as I've found googling
[14:30] <seb128> do you know for which lib?
[14:31] <seb128> you should be able to install 32bit versions of those libs through apt
[14:48] <tsdgeos> mterry: ok, new versions of the patches up at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1043349
[14:48] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1043349 in accountsservice "User Accounts reports wrong "Automatic Login" status when upgading from 12.04" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:51] <didrocks> kenvandine: hey, FYI, I just uploaded a fix for bug #1065246 this morning
[14:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065246 in webapps-applications "Strings not extracted for translation because of single quotation marks" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065246
[14:51] <kenvandine> didrocks, thanks!
[14:51] <didrocks> kenvandine: I noticed afterward that the vcs was 4 version behind (and got a reject the first time), would you mind reconciling it?
[14:51] <kenvandine> sure....
[14:51] <kenvandine> ubuntu:webapps-applications ?
[14:52] <mterry> tsdgeos, ok.  So this is too late to actually make 12.10, but it could be SRUd
[14:53] <tsdgeos> works for me
[14:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: seems it's under ~ubuntu-desktop?
[14:53] <kenvandine> oh... i need to delete that :)
[14:53] <kenvandine> we are using ubuntu branches for all those now
[14:53] <kenvandine> -ETOOMANYBRANCHES
[14:54] <kenvandine> damn... i need to remove that from the control file
[14:54] <kenvandine> didrocks, sorry!
[14:55] <didrocks> yep ;)
[14:55] <didrocks> no worry!
[14:59] <Laney> hah
[14:59] <Laney> that pesky "no online results" option
[15:00] <Laney> "WHY ISN'T THE GDOCS SCOPE WORKING?!?!?!?!"
[15:01] <tsdgeos> mterry: so how do we proceed from here, assign the bug to you? keep it on me?
[15:47] <didrocks> Laney: mardy did a patch though
[15:47] <didrocks> Laney: it's the only lens I didn't patch directly :)
[15:48] <didrocks> mterry: your nux branch, if hacked, you want then to backport to nux/3.0 for a quantal SRU :)
[15:48] <didrocks> (thanks!)
[15:49] <Trevinho> Sweetshark: hey, I was looking at the unity/bamf side of bug #1064962
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in libreoffice "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962
[15:49] <Sweetshark> Trevinho: oh?
[15:50] <Trevinho> but it seems that unity is not the bad guy here
[15:50] <Sweetshark> k
[15:50] <Trevinho> actually even after some time we have opened libreoffice, doing a resync with the panel service, still I get no menus
[15:50] <Sweetshark> Trevinho: yes, I have seen something odd happening in LO ...
[15:50] <Trevinho> so it seems that the panel-service does not get the new entries when LO adds them trough indicator-appmenu
[15:51] <Trevinho> tedg: ^
[15:52] <tedg> Trevinho, Hmm, that's odd.  Do you think it's a race with getting the atom on the window?
[15:53] <Trevinho> tedg: it could be... for sure the panel service does not get any entry-added signal
[15:53] <Sweetshark> Trevinho: It seems to me that when that happens, the gtk main loop (which is a slave to the LibreOffice main loop in LO) sometimes gets choked (that is: it does not handle the stufff added with g_timeout_add)
[15:55] <tedg> Trevinho, I guess I was worried that we were checking the window to see if it has the menu path too early.
[15:55] <tedg> Trevinho, Are the menus exported?
[15:57] <Trevinho> tedg: looking
[15:59] <tedg> So it looks like the menus are exported
[15:59] <tedg> But Appmenu doesn't know about the menu.
[15:59] <Trevinho> tedg: yes _GTK_MENUBAR_OBJECT_PATH(UTF8_STRING) = "/window/92274785/menus/menubar"
[16:00] <tedg> For the log: gdbus call --session --dest com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar --object-path /com/canonical/AppMenu/Registrar --method com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar.GetMenus
[16:02] <Sweetshark> tedg: Well, I had it yesterday (very late on a very hackish modified codebase) that the gmenuexporter callback "piled up" in LibreOffice.
[16:03] <Sweetshark> tedg: that is -- they were added to the main loop, but never got a chance to be executed.
[16:03] <tedg> Sweetshark, Never ever, or just were in a backlog?
[16:04] <Sweetshark> tedg: so I added a 1 second tick callback to see if those where executed. And I found that they where not executed ... until I opened a new menu/
[16:05] <Sweetshark> so when I waited 20 seconds and then opened a new menu, I had 20 ticks on the console.
[16:06] <Sweetshark> tedg: here is my current diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1273513/
[16:08] <Sweetshark> tedg: with that I see the ticks all the time as they should. Is still need to un-/refocus the window, when opening a document directly, but I see the ticks happening just fine with that.
[16:09] <tedg> Sweetshark, Why are you looking for the name on DBus instead of the item on the root window?
[16:11] <Sweetshark> tedg: I have no idea ;) -- the interaction with unity was mostly done by desrt and afernandez. I am only trying to clean up the threading issues (both on the glib as on the LO side).
[16:12] <tedg> Sweetshark, Heh, okay.  Just adding the check for the registrar name isn't the way that other GMenu applications work.
[16:12] <Sweetshark> tedg: but the watch executes just fine.
[16:14] <Sweetshark> tedg: well (I might be talking out of my a** here), the watch has the advantage that it would toggle if the regristrar disappears (cant that happen in e.g. KDE4, when somebody removes the widget)
[16:15] <tedg> Sweetshark, Sure, it's also better if something crashes.
[16:16] <tedg> Sweetshark, But this was built without my input.
[16:16] <tedg> Sweetshark, We're apparently assuming that software doesn't crash.
[16:17] <Sweetshark> tedg: I never ever saw a LibreOffice stacktrace. true dat.
[16:18] <Sweetshark> .oO(we should kill that useless document recovery dialog ASAP)
[16:18] <Sweetshark> tedg: my problem right now is: this is a heisenbug, and just because I dont see it anymore doesnt mean it is not there anymore.
[16:18] <tedg> Yup, just fix all the bugs.  No issue there, right?
[16:19] <Sweetshark> tedg: fixing all the bugs has to wait for the weekend. I gotta prepare for the LO conference.
[16:19] <tedg> Sweetshark, Yeah, for sure.  Hate those.
[16:19] <tedg> (heisenbugs)
[16:24] <tedg> Trevinho, Does BAMF send a signal when the XAtoms change on windows?
[16:25] <Trevinho> tedg: no... it could, but probably it is just better if you add a window_filter there.. to avoid all the dbus overhead...
[16:26] <tedg> Trevinho, Yes, except that we don't connect to X11 in any significant way.
[16:26] <tedg> Trevinho, The goal is to leave indicator-appmenu as independent
[16:26] <Trevinho> tedg: yeah... so
[16:27] <tedg> Trevinho, I think the issue is that BAMF gives us the window before it has the property set when it opens a document.  So we don't recognize it as a GMenu'd window.
[16:27] <Trevinho> tedg: oh, i see...
[16:28] <Trevinho> tedg: I would add it to bamf, but early this cycle was added a getter to retrieve any atom value, not a specific one for menus...
[16:28] <tedg> Trevinho, Well, last cycle, but yes :-)
[16:28] <Trevinho> so, or we add a specific one and we send signals, for that, or we add signals for every atom change, but it would increase our dbus traffic
[16:28] <tedg> Trevinho, It's only supposed to send updates for ones that have been previously requested.
[16:30] <Trevinho> tedg: mh, we can do that... or... we just move to one single dbus method for menus...
[16:31] <tedg> Trevinho, It's kinda hard to do that as there are several different pieces...
[16:31] <tedg> Trevinho, With having something atom independent means it could be used in other places as well.
[16:32] <tedg> Trevinho, I know that jassmith and I had discussed this, I guess it fell through the cracks.
[16:32] <tedg> I don't even see a bug number :-/
[16:33] <Trevinho> tedg: mh, I don't know... I just remember that I implemented that, but I was not informed about the reasons...
[16:34] <tedg> Trevinho, How hard do you think it'd be to add the signal?  SRU'able?
[16:35] <mterry> didrocks, re: my nux branch, you mean you want me to propose a merge against nux/3.0 too?  OK
[16:35] <Trevinho> tedg: however yeah, I think is nice to have an atom getter, it can just cause some more dbus chat to have signals for all them btw
[16:35] <didrocks> mterry: well, maybe wait for it to be approved on lp:nux
[16:35] <didrocks> mterry: just a warning for later :)
[16:35] <mterry> k
[16:35] <Trevinho> tedg: mhmh, sruable...
[16:36] <Trevinho> tedg: the problem is that I need to add a new signal both on the dbus API and on the library, I don't think this is exactly sru-able
[16:36] <tedg> Trevinho, Perhaps we should discuss this in another channel... don't want those pesky desktop people knowing the truth.
[16:36] <Trevinho> eheh :)
[16:36] <tedg> Trevinho, Say it with me "OF COURSE IT IS SRUABLE"
[16:36] <tedg> ;-)
[16:37] <tedg> I think the bug may be bad enough though...
[16:37] <Trevinho> tedg: oooooooooooooh, yeah... I misunderstood your request, of course adding that very internal signal is SRUable!
[16:37] <tedg> Trevinho, It looks like BamfWindowClass has some padding, so we wouldnt' be breaking ABI.
[16:38] <Trevinho> tedg: yes
[16:38] <Trevinho> on that side we are quite protected
[16:38] <tedg> seb128, kenvandine, so we're talking about bug 1064962, and it looks like the fix might be slightly involved, but it's kinda bad.  Thoughts?
[16:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in libreoffice "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962
[16:40] <seb128> tedg, I would like to see the fix before commenting but my gut feeling is that we can find a way to SRU that
[16:40] <seb128> tedg, not for release at this point though I fear
[16:40] <Trevinho> tedg: of coruse for now there's no hope that the LO window would add this value earlier, right?
[16:40] <Trevinho> course*
[16:41] <tedg> seb128, Sure, I understand, just trying to get some guidance.
[16:41] <tedg> Trevinho, No, I dont' think so.  And I'm guessing on things like ARM machines it might even happen without the doc.
[16:41] <seb128> tedg, what sort of change are we talking about?
[16:41] <tedg> Trevinho, It is, effectively, a race.
[16:42] <tedg> seb128, Adding a new signal in BAMF, which would add it to the dbus interface and the lib.  Then consuming that signal in indicator-appmenu.
[16:42] <seb128> tedg, additions shouldn't be an issue, that tends to not break working code ;-)
[16:43] <seb128> tedg, so yeah, let's aim at an SRU if we can, would be good to have it ready soon so it's available just after release
[16:43] <Trevinho> seb128: working code should not be touched at all
[16:43] <seb128> Trevinho, excellent
[16:43] <seb128> Trevinho, can you talk to sil2100 to get the bamf side included in the unity SRU0
[16:43] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[16:43] <tedg> Trevinho, Okay, so what do I need to do to get your time for it?  :-)
[16:44] <seb128> kenvandine or I can deal with the indicator-appmenu SRU
[16:44]  * tedg is going to rework the bug to explain things better
[16:44] <Trevinho> tedg: sending me a cheque? ;D
[16:45] <Trevinho> tedg: jocking... I'll start that in few minutes...
[16:45] <tedg> Trevinho, Great!
[16:45] <didrocks> Trevinho: tedg: can you just ensure in your code that if one side doesn't have the new API (still on older version), the world doesn't collapse?
[16:46] <Trevinho> tedg: so you'd suggest that the method to retrieve an atom, also implicitly registers a request to signal the changes to that given atom?
[16:46] <tedg> didrocks, Do I look like Atlas here?  ;-)
[16:46] <tedg> Trevinho, That makes sense to me, work for you?
[16:47] <didrocks> tedg: my memory is weak, I don't even remember your face! I assumed you looked like Atlas :p
[16:47] <tedg> Trevinho, In the signal can you send the updated value, just so we don't have to do another round trip?
[16:47] <Trevinho> tedg: yeeah, the only thing that is not so cool is that this can't be unregistered...
[16:47] <seb128> tedg, I can see the eagle
[16:47] <Trevinho> tedg: yes, that was intended
[16:47] <seb128> tedg, just saying, just saying :p
[16:47] <tedg> Heh
[16:48] <tedg> Trevinho, I have no issue adding an explicit unsubscribe/subscribe mechanism, I just figured that was more difficult.
[16:48] <Trevinho> tedg: so mabe.... bamf_window_subscribe_on_change....
[16:49] <tedg> Trevinho, Yeah, it'd be nice if we could pass a list.
[16:49] <Trevinho> tedg: yeah, but this could also protect us in case of bamfdaemon crash (so that we can re-register the requested signals)
[16:49] <tedg> GStrv or something.
[17:01] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, is there anything that happened in your networking (n-m, proxy, etc) world this cycle which is worth mentioning on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop
[17:01] <seb128> cyphermox, if so could you edit the wiki to add that?
[17:02] <cyphermox> yeah, there are some minimal changes from precise; I'll start thinking of a text for it
[17:02] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[17:03] <cyphermox> i was trying to fix up evo and the folder deletion thing, but now I just keep having it freeze up
[17:03] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, is there anything in quantal which happened in regard of printing which is worth release noting? can you add that to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop if you see anything that should be there (in the "Common Infrastructure" section)
[17:12] <tkamppeter> seb128, I am looking into that.
[17:13] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[17:17] <tkamppeter> seb128, in the instructions for upgrading you should tell that in the upgrade manager you also need to change the upgrade policy from LTS-only to all releases.
[17:18] <seb128> tkamppeter, indeed, thanks for pointing it
[17:27] <BigWhale> Anyone knows what is the status of proprietary AMD drivers for 12.10?
[17:27] <seb128> BigWhale, what about them?
[17:29] <BigWhale> seb128, it seems that 'alternative drivers' notification in the panel is gone and it's not available in system settings either?
[17:31] <seb128> BigWhale, the driver stuff is in software-properties
[17:31] <seb128> jockey got deprecated
[17:32] <BigWhale> oh
[17:32] <BigWhale> ok
[17:32] <BigWhale> a bit too subtle
[17:32] <BigWhale> :)
[17:32] <seb128> yeah...
[17:33] <BigWhale> let's see if this works :>
[17:33] <tkamppeter> seb128, Release Notes updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/CommonInfrastructure
[17:33] <ogra_> nah, its just for decoration purposes
[17:33] <bcurtiswx> are we going to need to go through more of a hastle for GNOME SRU's when SRU in Ubuntu ?
[17:33] <bcurtiswx> or was that all fixed?
[17:33] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[17:34] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you mean?
[17:34] <seb128> bcurtiswx, GNOME point updated a valid SRU candidates, they still need to follow the SRU process
[17:35] <bcurtiswx> seb128, the SRU team has a form pre-made for SRU's but for GNOME SRU's we were exempt IIRC
[17:35] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no, the exception just states those are valid SRU candidates, they still have to follow the rules
[17:35] <Trevinho> Sweetshark: one other thing I would like to have next cycle for LO-unity integration, would be to remove some specific code we have in BAMF... A quick change you should do is setting the proper StartupWMClass= value per each LO .desktop file, so that it should match the WM_CLASS name of the relative LO window...
[17:36] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes sorry for not being specific. I mean including the basic SRU procedure
[17:36] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks ... is there anything user visible that happened in quantal? the release notes are supposed to list what changed, not to describe technical details of our work
[17:36] <seb128> tkamppeter, e.g what you wrote basically sounds like "things broke and we fixed it, nothing changed for you"... which is true but not an information end users care about
[17:37] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you still need to impact,regression potential,test cases if that's the question
[17:37] <bcurtiswx> bcurtiswx, nope, questions already answered :)
[17:38] <seb128> bcurtiswx, stop talking to yourself :p
[17:38] <bcurtiswx> lol, im literally juggling like three things. Apparently proving i can't do it..
[17:38] <bcurtiswx> well juggling in the metaphorical sense
[17:39] <seb128> hehe, it has been proved men can't do that indeed :p
[17:44] <BigWhale> seb128, if I'm not back in five minutes, driver update failed. ;)
[17:45] <tkamppeter> seb128, for end users actually nothing changed, I was perhaps more worried about that someone sees some "bad press" about CUPS 1.6.x and could perhaps refrain from Quantal due to that.
[17:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, thanks, I will move those out of the main page of the release notes since that's not really something worth reading for the end users upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 (e.g not a noticable change or feature for them)
[17:53] <BigWhale> seb128, awesome.
[17:53]  * BigWhale approves! :)
[17:53] <robru> pitti: ping
[18:33] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone :)
[18:56] <s9iper1> didrocks: good evening :)
[19:02] <bcurtiswx> robru, are you going to PPA your new code or I can just build it locally?
[19:03] <robru> bcurtiswx: not really ready for ppa yet. We are considering lp:~barry/gwibber/py3 to be the 'trunk' of the py3 port. If you want to play with the latest facebook code, that's at lp:~robru/gwibber/facebook
[19:03] <bcurtiswx> gwibber-facebook?
[19:04] <robru> and there's nothing to 'build', but you're welcome to checkout those branches and play with them. look for the directory that contains setup.py, and look at the Makefile in that dir. You can also play with ./tools/debug_live.py to see how things run.
[19:11] <bcurtiswx> robru, thx
[19:11] <robru> yw
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> sigh, my daughter is not very well
[20:52]  * ogra_ hugs chrisccoulson
[20:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, what does she has?
[20:52]  * chrisccoulson hugs ogra_
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128, her temperature is 39C
[20:52] <seb128> have
[20:52] <ogra_> oh my
[20:52] <seb128> :-(
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> she's been really sleep all afternoon too
[20:52]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson as well
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> she fell over and banged her head yesterday, and we didn't realize until now that the 2 might be connected
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> so jo's taking her to hospital now on the advice of NHS direct
[20:53] <seb128> urg
[20:54] <ogra_> hospital++
[20:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, let us know how it goes
[21:02] <xnox> chrisccoulson: =( doesn't sound good. hope everything will be fine.
[21:04] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, good luck!
[21:11] <czajkowski> anyone any idea if this will be fixed for 12.10 for sure? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmtp/+bug/903422
[21:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 903422 in gvfs "Mount / Provide access to Android 4.x (Ice Cream Sandwich and above) MTP devices" [Wishlist,In progress]
[21:13] <seb128> czajkowski, it will not be fixed for 12.10 for sure rather
[21:13] <seb128> czajkowski, we are hard frozen for release
[21:13] <seb128> czajkowski, or maybe in a SRU
[21:14] <seb128> well, new backend in a SRU is not likely...
[21:14] <czajkowski> :/
[21:15] <czajkowski> seb128: thanks
[21:15] <xnox> czajkowski: do you have a device to test this with?
[21:15] <czajkowski> bit of a pain cant sync phone to laptop any more or tether it
[21:15] <czajkowski> xnox: yup
[21:16] <xnox> czajkowski: cause ogra_ said that there is a project with all the needed magical udev rules for all the latest and greatest ice cream sandwich and jelly bean androids
[21:16] <xnox> czajkowski: so, i'd recommend pestering ogra_ about it =)
[21:16] <ogra_> huh, what where when ?
[21:16] <czajkowski> ogra_: if you make magic happen I shall buy you whiskey!
[21:17] <xnox> ogra_: remember when we were looking at the filesystem issues you said there are all the mtp / udev rules for e.g. nexus7 and other newer android devices?!
[21:17] <xnox> ogra_: somewhere on github?!
[21:17] <ogra_> err, yes
[21:18] <xnox> ogra_: do you still have a link handy for me to look at?
[21:18] <ogra_> nope, i found it googling for something related
[21:19] <xnox> czajkowski: also is the quantal state wrong on that bug? it says fix released for quantal for libmtp but you say it's not working for you...
[21:20]  * xnox feels like invalidating gmtp tasks and marking libmtp tasks as confirmed.
[21:20] <czajkowski> xnox: Sorry, could not display all the contents of "Galaxy Nexus": Timeout was reached  still broken
[21:22] <thomi> RAOF: I wonder if you're able to make some sense out of this stack trace? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-driver-vesa/+bug/1065733
[21:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1065733 in xserver-xorg-driver-vesa "X Server crash" [Undecided,New]
[21:22] <thomi> RAOF: X server has started crashing for us during an autopilot test run...
[21:23] <xnox> czajkowski: can you pastebin the output from `mtp-detect` onces it's plugged in?
[21:23]  * RAOF looks
[21:25] <bryceh> RAOF, looks like another signal handling failure
[21:27] <bryceh> or at least that explains the crash; why it's aborting to begin with may be something separate
[21:27] <czajkowski> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1273842/
[21:27] <RAOF> bryceh: No, that looks to me like an everyday, regular nouveau-crash-in-EXA
[21:27] <xnox> czajkowski: cool thanks.
[21:29] <RAOF> bryceh: Xserver stack traces should now always have the top couple of frames being FatalError / AbortServer / ddxGiveUp / OsAbort / abort()
[21:29] <bryceh> yeah, src=0x0 to the memcpy
[21:29] <RAOF> thomi: That's misfiled - why did you assign it to vesa?
[21:29] <bryceh> RAOF, ah.  weird.
[21:29] <RAOF> thomi: What I mean is - were you expecting to use the VESA driver? That stacktrace is from nouveau.
[21:31] <thomi> RAOF: no, I filed against Xorg, I think launchpad tricked me, sorry
[21:35] <Chipaca> davidcalle: thanks :)
[21:36] <davidcalle> Chipaca, np :)
[21:40] <bryceh> thomi, yeah I fixed it.  You might run 'apport-collect <bug-num>' from the crashing machine, to put the usual set of logs on there
[21:41] <bryceh> thomi, and for future reference, 'ubuntu-bug xorg' is a recommended way to file X bugs, since it'll grab all the logs and file it in the right place
[21:41] <thomi> bryceh: I don't have Internet access from the crashing machine - can I still do that?
[21:41] <bryceh> thomi, yes, although there's a couple more steps involved
[21:42] <bryceh> apport lets you generate the bug report 'blob', then copy that to another machine, and finish the filing from there
[21:42] <thomi> are those logs going to be useful in this case do you think? If they are I'll go and get them. If not...
[21:56] <czajkowski> xnox: should fix released be removed from that bug for Q
[22:10] <xnox> czajkowski: let me do it, to get the blame.
[22:12] <bjf> bryceh, i've shot myself in the foot. do you have time to help (i'm limping by ok right now)
[22:13] <czajkowski> xnox: cheers
[22:13] <bryceh> bjf, sure, what's up?
[22:14] <bryceh> (I hope that's figurative rather than literal)
[22:14] <bjf> bryceh, i installed the lts-quantal from q-lts-backport on my desktop. life was good.
[22:14] <mlankhorst> bjf: it's broken a bit though
[22:15] <bjf> bryceh, no it was working quite well. the problem is that i uninstalled it and then reinstalled it.
[22:15] <bryceh> hmm
[22:15] <bjf> bryceh, now i'm stuck in 2d
[22:15] <bjf> bryceh, nvidia hw
[22:16] <bryceh> bjf, blob or nouveau?
[22:16] <bjf> bryceh, nouveau
[22:17] <bryceh> mlankhorst, do we have a tool or process for debugging these kinds of misinstallations?
[22:17] <mlankhorst> bryceh: not currently, but switching stack is broken atm
[22:17] <bryceh> bjf, let's start with dmesg and Xorg.0.log
[22:17] <bjf> bryceh, ack
[22:17] <mlankhorst> try installing xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-quantal
[22:17] <mlankhorst> and input
[22:18] <bryceh> libdrm?
[22:19] <bryceh> mlankhorst, broken to what degree?
[22:19] <bryceh> (i.e. can we document our way around it for now)
[22:20] <mlankhorst> bryceh: switching stack explodes somewhere in the middle due to an apt bug, hard to recover from
[22:21] <bryceh> mlankhorst, got any details on the explosion?  think that might be what bit bjf?
[22:22] <bjf> bryceh, files are in people.canonical.com:~bradf/help/
[22:22] <mlankhorst> bryceh: bug in ubuntu apt
[22:22] <bryceh> mlankhorst, ok do we have a bug # for that?
[22:22] <mlankhorst> basically leaves your repository skewed
[22:23] <mlankhorst> bryceh: looking but panda is slow
[22:23] <xnox> czajkowski: cleaned up https://bugs.launchpad.net/libmtp/+bug/903422 can you please remove the "upstream project libmtp" task from it. As it is bogus & lacks sourceforge bug link.
[22:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 903422 in gvfs "Ubuntu does not work with Samsung Galaxy phones (needs update to libmtp)" [Wishlist,In progress]
[22:24] <mlankhorst> bryceh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1062503
[22:24] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1062503 in apt "apt fails to install libglapi-mesa-lts-quantal correctly on switching x stacks" [High,New]
[22:24] <bryceh> bjf, looks like drm loaded nouveau ok.
[22:25] <bryceh> mlankhorst, thanks
[22:25] <czajkowski> xnox: done
[22:25] <bryceh> [    17.103] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Loaded DRI module
[22:26] <xnox> czajkowski: you are a star.
[22:26] <xnox> czajkowski: now thanks for your output I may hack something up for you ;-)
[22:26] <bryceh> [    17.269] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
[22:26] <xnox> czajkowski: but i am off to read hunger games and fall asleep now =)
[22:26]  * xnox laters ;-)
[22:26] <bcurtiswx> what tool will remove old Kernel Images ?
[22:26] <czajkowski> xnox: no worries off to watch NCIS here
[22:26] <bryceh> bjf, hmm looks like X is reasonably happy with itself
[22:26] <bryceh> bjf, glxinfo output ?
[22:27] <bjf> bryceh, sure
[22:28] <sarnold> bcurtiswx: I occasionally run 'apt-get purge ...' on the kernel images I'm certain I'll never use again.
[22:28] <bjf> bryceh, it's there now
[22:28] <bryceh> bjf, also check your dpkg log files for any errors, particularly any relating to libglapi-mesa*
[22:29] <bryceh> hmm, glx looks happy too
[22:29] <bjf> bryceh, no errors that i see
[22:30] <bryceh> ok how about /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[22:30] <mlankhorst> bryceh: it's only a multilib issue, but it prevents some testing
[22:31] <bjf> bryceh, Error: no composite extension
[22:31] <bryceh> aha
[22:31] <mlankhorst> basically should have xorg, xorg-server-lts-quantal and xserver-xorg-core-lts-quantal installed
[22:31] <bjf> mlankhorst, i'll reinstall them
[22:32] <bryceh> maybe mesa too?
[22:32] <mlankhorst> bryceh: well if one of them wasn't installed libgl1 is likely missing..
[22:32] <mlankhorst> or something else went wrong
[22:32] <bryceh>  ls -l /etc/alternatives/*gl*
[22:33] <bjf> bryceh, you want to see that before i reinstall the pkgs?
[22:34] <bryceh> bjf, sure
[22:35] <bjf> bryceh, i don't have any of the xorg*lts* pkgs installed. i did not uninstall any but don't remember if i had installed them the first time
[22:36] <bjf> bryceh, file: ls-gl.log in the same url
[22:37] <bryceh> bjf, ok, so then were you using ppa-purge to uninstall it?
[22:37] <bjf> bryceh, i did "apt-get purge linux-image-lts-quantal"
[22:38] <bryceh> ah
[22:38] <bjf> bryceh, and did that nail the xorg pkgs as well?
[22:39] <bryceh> bjf, well we can check  - chuck your /var/log/dpkg.log up on that dir as well
[22:40] <bryceh> /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf -> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf
[22:40] <bjf> bryceh, done
[22:40] <bryceh> should that be pointed into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa*lts* ?  Is there such a thing?
[22:42] <bjf> bryceh, no, just a mesa directory
[22:43] <bryceh> install  linux-image-3.5.0-17-generic   2012-10-08   10:31:14     <none>                         3.5.0-17.26~precise1
[22:43] <bryceh>  remove   linux-image-3.5.0-17-generic   2012-10-11   14:03:19     3.5.0-17.26~precise1           <none>
[22:43] <bryceh>   install  linux-image-3.5.0-17-generic   2012-10-11   14:51:22     <none>                         3.5.0-17.28~precise1
[22:43] <bryceh> upgrade  linux-image-generic-lts-quantal 2012-10-02   18:30:33     <IP_ADDRESS>.21                    <IP_ADDRESS>.22
[22:43] <bryceh>  upgrade  linux-image-generic-lts-quantal 2012-10-08   10:31:47     <IP_ADDRESS>.22                    <IP_ADDRESS>.23
[22:43] <bryceh>   remove   linux-image-generic-lts-quantal 2012-10-11   13:59:01     <IP_ADDRESS>.23                    <none>
[22:43] <bryceh> bjf, looks like your lts-quantal downgrade/upgrade only changed the kernel; doesn't look like any X packages got changed
[22:43] <bjf> bryceh, i had been running it for a couple of weeks before today
[22:44] <bryceh> upgrade  xorg-server                    2012-10-08   10:32:08     2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.8           2:1.13.0-0ubuntu5~precise1~ppa6.3
[22:44] <bjf> bryceh, i haveno xorg*lts* pkgs installed
[22:44] <mlankhorst> figures...
[22:45] <mlankhorst> xorg-server should conflict with all lts packages, so try installing it
[22:46] <bjf> mlankhorst, what's the actual pkg name?
[22:46] <mlankhorst> xserver-xorg?
[22:46] <bjf> xserver-xorg is already the newest version.
[22:47] <bryceh> bjf, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core
[22:48] <bryceh> your Xorg.0.log suggests you're on 1.11.3
[22:48] <bryceh> no
[22:48] <bryceh> xorg-server 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.8
[22:48] <bjf> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1274008/
[22:49] <bryceh> yep
[22:49] <bryceh> wonder why dpkg.log thinks you moved to 1.13.
[22:50] <bryceh> bjf, heh, so I think we've proved your system is working perfectly.  :-P
[22:50] <bjf> LOL
[22:50] <mlankhorst> oh
[22:50] <bryceh> bjf, ok back to square one - can you describe the symptoms again?  maybe you're seeing a bug unrelated to the lts shuffling
[22:50] <mlankhorst> do you have xorg-edgers enabled?
[22:50] <mlankhorst> that would explain things
[22:51] <bjf> mlankhorst, meaning, do i have the ppa added?
[22:51] <mlankhorst> hm maybe not, ppa6.3 would be correct version for what i have
[22:51] <mlankhorst> it's just rename/replace
[22:52] <bjf> so i "accidentally" installed the q-lts-backport kernel from ubuntu-x-swat a couple weeks ago
[22:52] <bryceh> [    17.077] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[22:52] <bryceh> [    17.077] (**) Extension "Composite" is disabled
[22:53] <bjf> this caused some issues but after fully embracing nouveau, all was good. i had 3d and unity looked spiffy
[22:53] <bryceh> [    17.066] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[22:53] <bryceh> bjf, paste up that xorg.conf
[22:54] <bjf> however, when switching between inputs, from dvi to displayport nouveau would shit itself
[22:54] <bjf> bryceh, i copied it to the same url
[22:55] <bryceh> bjf, aha
[22:55] <bryceh> bjf, delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:56] <bjf> done
[22:56] <bryceh> sudo service lightdm restart
[22:56] <bryceh> should put you back in business
[22:57] <bjf> bryce, life is good! i'm have 3d
[22:57] <bryceh> \o/
[22:57] <bryceh> ftr, last 3 lines of your xorg.conf:
[22:57] <bryceh> Section "Extensions"
[22:57] <bryceh>     Option         "Composite" "Disable"
[22:57] <bryceh> EndSection
[22:57] <bjf> many many thanks. if you do beers with the kernel team at CPH i'll buy you a couple
[22:58]  * mlankhorst too tired to figure that one out, eod anyway :)
[22:58] <bjf> nvidia-settings did me in (actually it was all self inflicted)
[22:59] <mlankhorst> why would nvidia-settings disable composite? even their drivers use it :/
[22:59] <bjf> mlankhorst, i can't say, when i uninstalled and reinstalled nvidia-current i tried to get my dual monitors working again
[22:59] <bjf> mlankhorst, so there were some mucking around with it, just assumed
[23:00] <bjf> mlankhorst, anyway, thanks for the help
[23:00] <mlankhorst> presumably, im using nouveau at the moment, only way to shut down the gpu fan  to audible levels (and bake some eggs) :)
[23:00] <mlankhorst> np
[23:07] <bryceh> I think it turns off composite when using dual head.  don't think it works with xinerama
[23:07] <bryceh> or twin view or whatever.
[23:07] <mlankhorst> xinerama kills all aceleration so doubtful
[23:07] <mlankhorst> composite works just fine though?
[23:08] <mlankhorst> at least i dont need a separate config file for that, probably
[23:08] <bryceh> yeah, dunno.  it used to be a common problem
[23:16] <mlankhorst> maybe because of legacy drivers


[00:24] <cprofitt> dinda you here?
[00:32] <mhall119> cprofitt: when is the NY show you were talking about earlier?
[00:32] <cprofitt> mhall119: it is every November
[00:32] <cprofitt> so we have a full year to plan :-)
[00:32] <mhall119> ah, ok
[00:33] <cprofitt> I gave a presentation this year...
[00:33] <cprofitt> next year I want to do a few presentations and one full day hands on lab
[00:35] <mhall119> that would be cool
[00:36] <cprofitt> it would be... and from talking to people it would be of interest to teachers
[00:39] <mhall119> if it were a little further sound I might be able to make it
[00:40] <cprofitt> mhall119: where are you located?
[00:40] <mhall119> FLorida
[00:40] <mhall119> which is why I was interested in the Orlando show
[00:40] <cprofitt> ah... yeah the Orlando show would be good...
[00:40] <cprofitt> I may still have a few contacts in Florida... I will dig for those in a few minutes
[00:44] <sbalneav> yeesh. Looks like screem needs a lot of work :(
[01:56] <ehrenpr> sbalneav, do you know if it is super easy to set up a fat client network with edubuntu? I tried the nubea plugin but couldnt get it to work with karmic.
[01:57] <sbalneav> It's not super easy, no.
[01:57] <sbalneav> in other words, it's not integrated
[01:57] <sbalneav> but nubae's plugin should work.
[01:58] <sbalneav> But certainly localapps works fine.
[01:58] <sbalneav> if you need a little less than a full fat client.
[01:59] <ehrenpr> Thanks. I have 12 client connected to a dual 2.00 processor and its gettting crushed
[01:59] <ehrenpr> My student are addicted to flash and java
[02:00] <sbalneav> ah
[02:00] <sbalneav> youtube only?
[02:01] <sbalneav> if so, take a look in #ltsp, I'll paste a helpful script
[02:01] <sbalneav> Or, if you'd prefer, just install firefox as a local app, and the flash and java plugins
[02:02] <sbalneav> that way, MOST things will be on the server, but the firefox and cpu killers run on the thin clients.
[02:02] <ehrenpr> I tend to have the kids doing the same activity, and even gcompris can hurt.
[02:03] <sbalneav> How much ram in the server?
[02:04] <ehrenpr> Originally 8g but then had lots of problems with the x64 server. and the 386 clients.
[02:05] <ehrenpr> when I check system monitor, it shows the ram not being that effected, put the processors are maxxed out.
[02:06] <sbalneav> ok, yeah, so then either faster processors, or localapps
[02:08] <ehrenpr> for local apps how do I determin what name to put into LTS.conf for individual programs.
[02:11] <sbalneav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsFirefox
[02:12] <sbalneav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
[02:13] <ehrenpr> I did that but, how do i do that for gcompris, or tuxpaint?
[02:16] <ehrenpr> also on edubuntu a coule of my client screens ended up upside downn and backward, do you know of any quick fixes?
[02:16] <sbalneav> same way
[02:16] <sbalneav> chroot into the ltsp chroot, apt-get install gcompris, etc.
[02:17] <ehrenpr> ok, ill try that. Thanks
[02:18] <sbalneav> as for the screens
[02:18] <sbalneav> could be a driver issue
[02:19] <NetLife> hello, anyone want to help me?
[02:19] <sbalneav> Depends
[02:20] <sbalneav> If it's about edubuntu, sure.  If you want me to change your tire, you're on your own :)
[02:21] <NetLife> haha, it's about ubuntu and bootable usb
[02:21] <NetLife> I can't boot a usb flash drive with persistence if I use an nvidia agp card
[02:21] <sbalneav> Does it work otherwise?
[02:22] <ehrenpr> thanks sbalneav. maybe ill switch back to edubuntu. Right now kiwi-ltsp. was super easy to setup. I just dont know how to use local aps on it.
[02:22] <sbalneav> ehrenpr: well, channel's here, pop by if you need any help
[02:22] <sbalneav> I'm here most days.
[02:22] <ehrenpr> thank you
[02:23] <NetLife> sbalneav, yes, if I use another (pci) video card, OR if I boot without persitence then it boots
[02:25] <sbalneav> NetLife: Sounds like a bug with the nvidia card buggering with the USB drivers to me.
[02:26] <NetLife> the nvidia card or the motherboard agp is what I'm thinking
[09:04] <Tm_T> hmmm, are different edubuntu- metapackages explained somewhere? my search-fu fails
[09:12] <alkisg> Tm_T: you mean about what they contain? You can see that from apt...
[09:26] <Tm_T> alkisg: heh, I was hoping the purpose of those metapackages been written somewhere so I could direct people to read there
[09:26] <alkisg> Tm_T: you're welcome to help in the wiki/docs etc :)
[09:26] <alkisg> (and I don't really know if they are documented or not...)
[09:27] <Tm_T> alkisg: yup, will look at that if cannot find anything
[12:04] <PaulD> hello
[12:05] <PaulD> I'm having a lot of trouble trying to watch TV from any application except "mplayer /dev/video0"
[12:05] <PaulD> I think I've tried them all


[09:00] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:00] <plovs> morning
[10:04] <plovs> ChrisH, can you check out john's svn server, i can't connect
[10:04] <ChrisH> plovs: ok
[10:05] <ChrisH> plovs: works here... Updated to revision 89.
[10:05] <ChrisH> fq2?
[10:05] <plovs> check it out :-)
[10:06] <plovs> ChrisH, yes, now it works here as well
[10:06] <ChrisH> plovs: Latvia again? ;)
[10:07] <plovs> yeah, things where kind of unclear with other docs, and i wanted to do something so i worked on this one, and it is gpl now, so we can use it
[10:07] <plovs> i really like it
[10:08] <plovs> besides the other docs
[10:09] <plovs> i just don't know how to make links within a docbook document
[10:09] <plovs> ChrisH, you know how to do that?
[10:13] <ChrisH> uhm...
[10:13] <ChrisH> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBookReference
[10:14] <ChrisH> See "References" there.
[10:21] <plovs> duh, i have that page open at exactly that reference, thanks
[10:21] <plovs> for over an hour
[01:02] <sid77> hi
[01:03] <sid77> ChrisH, I've learned how to msg on all channels! ;)
[02:54] <Kinnison> hey Burgundavia_, how's you today?
[02:54] <Burgundavia_> not bad, but had a little trouble getting up
[02:54] <Kinnison> Well, at least you slept
[02:54] <Kinnison> (or do you mean physical problems like locked knees?)
[02:56] <sivang> Kinnison, have you played mao last night after returning from dinner?
[02:57] <Kinnison> sivang: of course :-)
[02:58] <sivang> Kinnison, how good was Burgundavia_ ? :)
[02:59] <Kinnison> He invented a rule which worked quite well
[02:59] <Kinnison> And managed to get a four-card smackdown at one point
[02:59] <sivang> heheh
[03:11] <Burgundavia_> salut all
[03:11] <sivang> Buena Sierra Enrico!
[03:11] <enrico> sivang: did you try again at Mao?
[03:12] <sivang> enrico : I got really addicted, and really liked playing when Kinnison was doing POVs :)
[03:12] <enrico> :)
[03:12] <enrico> Tomorrow transfer to Taipei for a couple of conferences
[03:13] <enrico> See you from Taipei!
[03:14] <Burgundavia_> I still have that damn image display problem in yelp
[03:56] <Burgundavia_> anybody here?
[03:59] <Kinnison> We're all dead
[04:00] <Burgundavia_> lovely
[04:00] <Burgundavia_> are you running warty or hoary?
[04:00] <Burgundavia_> as we break the 5m rules
[04:00] <Burgundavia_> rule
[04:02] <Burgundavia_> can anyone who is running hoary grab down the random from pepperfish and check the image to see if it displays correctly
[04:04] <Kinnison> give me a url
[04:04] <Burgundavia_> I put it up on the ftp you gave me
[04:04] <Kinnison> okay
[04:05] <Kinnison> care to come check I'm unpacking it right?
[04:06] <Kinnison> I see a cascaded list and lots of broken images
[05:07] <Burgundavia_> Kinnison, how did that render?
[05:18] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: what?
[05:19] <Burgundavia_> that quickguide stuff I uploaded to the ftp server
[05:33] <Kinnison> you uploaded another one?
[05:38] <Burgundavia_> ya, I uploaded the whole quickbook
[05:39] <Burgundavia_> what colour is the default highlighting?
[05:43] <Kinnison> one sec
[05:44] <Kinnison> erm; the images are all wrong
[05:44] <Kinnison> can you come check I have the right stuff?
[05:44] <Burgundavia_> they don't display correctly do they
[05:44] <Burgundavia_> coming
[05:49] <Burgundavia_> nope, that is not the probelm
[05:51] <Kinnison> boggleness
[05:52] <Burgundavia_> that is very wierd
[05:53] <Burgundavia_> Without svg, that makes the quickguide much less pretty
[07:44] <Burgundavia_> I just told the release managers that the quickguide will be done by hoary
[07:44] <Burgundavia_> I guess my rep is now on the line
[07:45] <Kinnison> do a good job and....
[08:46] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti