[00:10] <blue_anna> how do I get changes to the keyboard layouts stick?
[01:42] <MrEsterhouse> Hello everyone!
[01:42] <blue_anna> hey MrEsterhouse
[01:42] <blue_anna> do you know ..
[01:42] <blue_anna> how do I get changes to the keyboard layouts stick?
[01:43] <MrEsterhouse> Isn't the setting for that in the xorg setting?
[01:44] <blue_anna> I was using the panel plugin to quick/switch the language
[01:44] <MrEsterhouse> Ah...
[01:44] <blue_anna> but the keyboard model keeps reverting, and the keys to switch languages revert too
[01:44] <MrEsterhouse> I don't use that option
[01:45] <blue_anna> since I have an AltGr key, I can't press both alt keys to switch :P
[01:45] <blue_anna> because there-s only one
[01:45] <MrEsterhouse> heck I dont know how to set my keyboard model so I can use its features
[01:45] <blue_anna> ahh, there's the dash
[01:49] <MrEsterhouse> My question is, how do you change the setting for the splash that says xubuntu be for you get to the login.
[01:51] <MrEsterhouse> I have a LG 16:9 DVI monitor ever since I installed it that splash seems like it displays in 640x480
[01:52] <MrEsterhouse> don't be afraid to chime in people.
[01:59] <blue_anna> MrEsterhouse, Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Splash Screen .... it should be there
[02:00] <blue_anna> Session start -> Splash .. I was copy-pasting
[02:05] <RJ_F1> how can I change the login sound for Xubuntu 10.10?
[02:06] <MrEsterhouse> not this splash it is all black that just says xubuntu. Everything when you hit alt F2 to go back to command line all the text is low res
[02:07] <MrEsterhouse> As far as I know there is no login sound for xubuntu
[02:08] <MrEsterhouse> Im not sure how to enable it, I was told that it isn't an option that can be enabled.
[02:09] <RJ_F1> in the "login options" or whatever, there is a checkbox that says 'play login sound' and it is checked, but I have no way of changing it?
[02:10] <MrEsterhouse> Yes I seen that as well. I had asked about that awhile back.
[02:12] <MrEsterhouse> I don't think that it is completely integrated  in xubuntu.
[02:12] <RJ_F1> Alright, I guess I just gotta wait for someone to figure it out then.
[02:27] <MrEsterhouse> one thing I cant seem to get is my nvidia driver to load that I downloaded from there site
[02:27] <MrEsterhouse> when I run the file it tells me that it cant find the headers
[02:27] <MrEsterhouse> this happened after I went to 9.10
[02:28] <MrEsterhouse> Im upgrading to 10.10 as I type, hopfully I can get the driver installed
[04:00] <maitrey_> hi guys, I have recently purchased second hdd 500 gb seagate sata and it seems to be impossible to connect it in ubuntu (10.10). I've setup bios but I can run only one of those hddsks. It is not recognizing the second as slave. What to do? I guess jumper won't help?
[06:15] <Kara-No> Is there any way to reset Xfce settings without logging into Xfce?
[06:54] <Sysi> Kara-No: ctrl alt F5 "rm -rf .config/xfce4"
[06:56] <Sysi> i still don't like crossposting
[08:31] <ubuXubu> good morning to all who reside here in the remote binary jungle of Xubuntu
[08:37] <TheSheep> hi balsaq
[08:39] <ubuXubu> howdeedoo
[08:41] <muffinsz> hi
[11:46] <xubuntu670> gimpbox
[17:34] <sktx> anyone have a clue how to get the video working on xubuntu lucid? i get audio but no video, even after installing the restricted-extras package...
[17:35] <Sysi> what video you're watching, with dragon?
[17:36] <sktx> dragon? no, with vlc... and it's half the videos i watch.
[17:36] <sktx> i tried with totem too but that works less often than vlc
[17:37] <Sysi> oh wait, dragon was 10.10 problem :p
[18:03] <hagenZ> hi. how can i set other resolution of the screen? xrandr command doesnt help and there is no my resolution in the settings window
[18:09] <charlie-tca> hagenZ: maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution will help with that
[18:11] <hagenZ> charlie-tca, i have already read it, it didnt help
[18:12] <charlie-tca> you would need to create or modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart for it to take effect
[18:12] <charlie-tca> changes made in the file should override defaults
[18:16] <hagenZ> i see. there is no xorg.conf so i was misleaded
[18:17] <charlie-tca> That seems to be common. We don't often realize that just creating it will make X use it
[18:24] <hagenZ> which Identifier i must set? look it up somewhere?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Somthing like "Subsection "Display" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting%20resolution%20changes%20in%20xorg.conf
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Modes gives the different resolutions you want to be able to use
[18:35] <hagenZ> ok i'll check this out
[18:48] <fumanchu182> First time xubuntu user, giving it a switch from gnome, however I cannot find a way to disable the desktop switcher, i.e. set it to only one desktop so I can then remove the widget.
[18:48] <Sysi> middle click → remove workspace
[18:49] <fumanchu182> but I already love that i can have different wallpaper on each monitor as opposed to a gimp hacked wallpaper that spans both
[18:49] <fumanchu182> I middle click on the switcher and it does nada.
[18:49] <Sysi> on the desktop
[18:50] <Sysi> switcher is just switcher :)
[18:50] <fumanchu182> found it
[18:50] <fumanchu182> workspaces under xfce settings
[18:50] <Sysi> i'm not if that middle click action is enabled by default
[18:50] <fumanchu182> This is quite a neat desktop manager.
[18:51] <fumanchu182> It is simple but gives me everything I need for my development enviornment
[18:51] <fumanchu182> err environment
[18:53] <fumanchu182> I am quite impressed.
[18:54] <fumanchu182> I think I just found a new desktop manager of choice.
[18:54] <knome> fumanchu182, nice to hear.
[18:54] <knome> hey, kids! o/
[18:54] <Sysi> hey uncle knome! \o
[18:55] <knome> khihi
[18:55] <fumanchu182> With using this desktop manager you keep inline with all ubuntu upgrade release dates?
[18:56] <knome> fumanchu182, yup, xubuntu releases are parallel to ubuntu releases
[18:56] <fumanchu182> That's good.
[18:56] <knome> fumanchu182, and all the apps are updated in xubuntu as well, since xubuntu and ubuntu share the repositories
[19:00] <hagenZ> charlie-tca, i havent 1024x768, only 800x600 max
[19:00] <hagenZ> yesterday it was, before i installed wine and rebooted
[19:01] <charlie-tca> I don't anything about wine, but it sounds like it did something wrong
[19:02] <hagenZ> so i should uninstall wine or there are other variants
[19:04] <hagenZ> which port is fore ssl here?
[19:35] <rigved> hi everyone
[19:35] <rigved> can anyone tell me how close is xubuntu to ubuntu in terms of the look and the applications available
[19:36] <Sysi> all same application avalable, see screenshots for looks
[19:37] <charlie-tca> rigved: personnally, I don't think it looks like Gnome. As for applications, you can use all applications that Ubuntu uses.
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Of course, installing all the same applications means you do use the same resources too
[19:38] <rigved> Sysi: thanx
[19:38] <rigved> charlie-tca: thanx. just openoffice.org
[19:41] <Sysi> !xubuntu


[00:42] <Mossyfunk> Lubuntu is WIN!!!
[00:45] <phillw> hi Mossyfunk
[00:46] <Mossyfunk> hello =)
[00:46] <phillw> Mossyfunk: pop over to #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[00:46] <Mossyfunk> already there =)
[00:46] <Mossyfunk> srry got exited
[01:04] <highvoltage> Mossyfunk: I installed Lubuntu earlier this week and was also very impressed :)
[01:06] <phillw> hiyas highvoltage, do join us on #lubuntu-offtopic
[01:07] <Mossyfunk> hey highvoltage, yeah mate come over =)
[01:09] <highvoltage> ok, I won't autojoin it since I'm already in way too many channels, but I'll hang out a bit :)
[03:40] <Mossyfunk> I have lubuntu 10.04 on a bootable flash drive but cant boot from it..... is there a way to install from running another live cd?
[10:48] <head_victim> Is there a place I can download a Lubuntu 10.10 ISO anywhere? I realise the beta2 was taken down for space reasons so I don't mind an older one if it's available.
[11:06] <bioterror> head_victim, torrent should work
[11:07] <head_victim> bioterror: ah k, I'll look into it then. Any suggestions for torrent program to use? I've never used torrents before.
[11:08] <bioterror> for which operating system
[11:08] <head_victim> Ubuntu
[11:09] <bioterror> you should have transmission by default
[11:11] <head_victim> bioterror: cheers, not as hard as I anticipated. My local mirror doesn't carry lubuntu is all.
[11:12] <bioterror> glad I managed to help you out
[14:02] <leszek> hi
[15:13] <KukuNut> lubuntu ?day to go?
[15:40] <OwaisL> hi, I am trying to install lubuntu 10.10 beta2, but I can't start the installer from live cd. It is asking for root password.
[15:41] <leszek> OwaisL: try to start with sudo from within the terminal
[15:41] <leszek> it shouldn't ask for a password as there is no one set
[15:41] <OwaisL> and that would be sudo ubiquity-gtk
[15:41] <OwaisL> ?
[15:42] <leszek> I think so
[17:05] <zer067> Hi to everyone
[18:05] <Tir_Eoghan> uh oh, think I'm officially breaking my os hehe
[18:44] <nothingspecial> Mark76: I see you got my message :)
[18:45] <Mark76> Yeah, I did. Thanks :)
[18:45] <nothingspecial> Mark76: Sorry I missed you
[18:46] <Mark76> No problem
[18:49] <Mark76> So what brings you to this room?
[18:50] <nothingspecial> Mark76: Just because I have lubuntu on one of my boxes
[18:51] <Mark76> Do you swap openbox for something snazzier too?
[18:51] <nothingspecial> No
[18:52] <nothingspecial> I kind of like it, plus I have a very heavily edited rc.xml
[18:52] <Mark76> Fair enough
[18:52] <Mark76> I find it a bit too basic
[18:53] <nothingspecial> As you know, I have full blown gnome as well. But it runs very well on my netbook
[18:53] <Mark76> That's cool
[18:53] <Mark76> What specs does your netbook have?
[18:54] <nothingspecial> I tried it because someone was having difficulty in a forum I moderate... and I like it
[18:54] <Mark76> Gnome?
[18:55] <nothingspecial> 1gig ram, and one of those atom things that is going to break anytime soon
[18:55] <nothingspecial> No lubuntu
[18:55] <Mark76> Oh right
[18:55] <Mark76> I have 1 gig of RAM too
[18:55] <Mark76> And I'm on a desktop :(
[18:56] <nothingspecial> I have various old and broken pcs that do jobs for me. Four of them cost a combined £20
[18:57] <nothingspecial> pcs = pc/netbooks
[18:57] <Mark76> A thousand pounds!? It's outrageous. I shan't pay it
[18:57] <nothingspecial> ha ha
[18:57] <Mark76> God, I love that show
[18:58] <Mark76> And I'm way outside the target demographic
[18:58] <nothingspecial> Are you very old or very young?
[18:58] <Mark76> I'm 44
[18:59] <Mark76> But good comedy is good comedy no matter what time of day it's broadcast
[18:59] <nothingspecial> Your only 9 years older than me, I though you were going to say 76
[18:59] <Mark76> Heh
[18:59] <Mark76> No
[18:59] <nothingspecial> Can`t beat Faulty Towers in my book
[19:00] <nothingspecial> got to go
[19:00] <Mark76> K
[19:00] <Mark76> Me too
[19:01] <Mark76> Time to swap DEs again
[20:38] <mmaksimov> #join #lubuntu-offtopic
[20:52] <semitones> is there such a channel?
[20:53] <semitones> guess there is :P
[20:53] <semitones> I thought lubuntu was going to be official for 10.10. Did they decide depending on the official repos was too much hassle?
[21:05] <mmaksimov> ughm, I believe lubuntu just couldn't get into schedule for being official in 10.10. It is still a goal, but probably for 11.04 cycle ;)
[21:08] <mark76> What are the chances?
[21:10] <mmaksimov> not sure, you may ask on the maillist or wait until Julien Lavergne appears here on the channel
[21:11] <mmaksimov> personally, I'm quite comfortable with setting up several PPA-only packages.... however, I haven't yet switched to lubuntu on my "working" machine...
[21:21] <mark76> Probably best not to for now
[21:25] <mmaksimov> why? the only feature I actually miss at the moment is locking the system when restoring from suspend/hibernate
[21:27] <mark76> Well if the developers don't think it's ready to become an official buntu
[21:29] <mmaksimov> er.... the developers of which component?
[21:31] <mark76> Ubuntu
[21:33] <mmaksimov> can't remember anything "official" regarding lubuntu being (not) ready...
[21:34] <mark76> Okay
[23:23] <Tir_Eoghan> so lubuntu 10.10 is getting released in two days right?
[23:27] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: lubuntu can run a dayor so behind, as it cannot be built until the ubuntu release comes out.
[23:28] <Tir_Eoghan> phillw, ah, good to know
[23:28] <Tir_Eoghan> phillw, thanks for giving me all the info and confidence to try lubuntu. Finally have 10.04 installed and it runs beautifully.. well that is until I installed flash, but thats kind of expected *grin*
[23:29] <phillw> lol, flash is a problem accross the entire system. with 10.10 comes our own set of restricted extras which include flash etc.
[23:30] <Tir_Eoghan> flash is a problem in windows too..
[23:31] <Tir_Eoghan> I installed it then started getting the old familiar flash errors in websites.. and remembered what it was like, at least when flash crashes in this system it doesn't take down the whole os. just itself
[23:31] <Tir_Eoghan> still, I can't wait to upgrade and remove flash entirely..
[23:32] <Tir_Eoghan> installed it as an experiment to see if my puter could watch streaming video on this light of a os, naturally doesn't matter how light the os is, flash is just a flawed program
[23:34] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you-tube are running a trial with html5, which chromium supports. no need for flash at all :)
[23:35] <Tir_Eoghan> phillw, ooh, nice.. That will be a good improvement.. now if they can just work out the problem with all the content being poor in youtube it might be worth watching.
[23:36] <phillw> lol, lubuntu cannot do anything about what people post up ;)
[23:36] <Tir_Eoghan> only so many times one can watch cats falling off couches before one goes completely insane
[23:37] <Tir_Eoghan> lol
[23:37] <phillw> but as proof of concept it is useful.
[23:37] <Tir_Eoghan> although wouldn't that be a brilliant update. "Lubuntu, now adds taste and quality to content providers content"
[23:39] <Tir_Eoghan> "Tried watching an Uwe Boll movie in theaters? Now, try watching it on Lubuntu, and see the improvement. The OS that makes the media seem competent"
[23:40] <Tir_Eoghan> just a little flight of fancy there..
[23:41] <phillw> lol
[23:43] <Tir_Eoghan> just wish hulu would switch to html5, hulu occasionally has decent content
[23:45] <Tir_Eoghan> I think I'll give 10.10 beta 2 an install this weekend
[23:47] <Tir_Eoghan> now that I've gotten used to not being afraid of updates (windows), I feel like having the updated version.
[23:55] <Tir_Eoghan> thanks for the info, I'm heading out to do some errands


[03:56] <git__> is there a feature list for ubuntu one?
[03:56] <git__> i want to know if it does versioning
[03:57] <wgrant> It doesn't currently do versioning.
[03:57] <wgrant> I'm not sure where there's a feature list.
[03:58] <wgrant> https://one.ubuntu.com/features/ is a high-level overview of current functionality.
[04:00] <git__> looks like ubuntu one does support versioning ... based on the screenshot
[04:03] <git__> Cross Site Request Forgery detected. Request aborted.
[04:12] <git__> i don't see versioning in Ubuntu One
[04:54] <duanedesign> ~/7
[04:54] <duanedesign> d'oh
[04:55] <bladerunner> so, we're supposed to "honk" if we need help figuring something out?
[04:58] <bladerunner> 'cause my ubuntu one is all jacked up, and I'm out of troubleshooting ideas, and nobody replied to my bug, so... I figured it couldn't hurt to come here
[04:58] <duanedesign> bladerunner: yes honk usually pings rye
[04:58] <duanedesign> bladerunner: what is your bug number?
[04:59] <bladerunner> hold on, I'll get it
[05:00] <bladerunner> 535599
[05:01] <bladerunner> also agreed with 510210, sicne it HAD received a reply, but it never got another one
[05:01] <duanedesign> bug 535599
[05:01] <duanedesign> bug 510210
[05:06] <bladerunner> Any thoughts?
[05:06] <duanedesign> ok
[05:07] <duanedesign> try quitting U1 and then running it from the Terminal
[05:07] <duanedesign> the command from the Command Line would be:
[05:07] <duanedesign> /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[05:10] <bladerunner> Did so...as of now there's no icon in the bar, and no messages in terminal,
[05:10] <bladerunner> though if I try to close the terminal, it tells me something's running
[05:11] <duanedesign> hmm. OK I think there is some metadata that is corrupted
[05:12] <duanedesign> let me quickly find the metadata file you want to delete
[05:13] <duanedesign> it wont hurt any of your information to remove the metadata. It will just regenerate it
[05:13] <bladerunner> Okie doke
[05:20] <duanedesign> ok
[05:20] <duanedesign> you can quit the syncdaemon you started in the Terminal
[05:20] <bladerunner> k
[05:20] <duanedesign> Ctrl-C should take care of it
[05:20] <duanedesign> ok
[05:21] <duanedesign> run the command:    u1sdtool -q
[05:21] <duanedesign> to make sure its all quit
[05:22] <bladerunner> I typed it, got the message "ubuntuone syncdaemon stopped"
[05:25] <duanedesign> mv  ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/  ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon_backup/
[05:25] <duanedesign> ok run that command to rename the folder with the metadata
[05:25] <duanedesign> we will hold on to it for now
[05:26] <bladerunner> Which folder?
[05:26] <duanedesign> ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/
[05:28] <bladerunner> I copied and pasted that line, and got "Cannot stat  ..../syncdaemon/": no such file or directory
[05:28] <duanedesign> one sec..
[05:29] <bladerunner> I went manually to that folder using nautilus,
[05:29] <bladerunner> and in that ubuntuone folder is
[05:29] <bladerunner> a locked folder called "shares"
[05:30] <bladerunner> and one called "syncdaemon_backup"
[05:30] <kermiac> hey ppl :) I'm starting to see a few more "SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE" bugs for ppl using karmic. bug 458393 is "fixed released", is there a new master bug report?
[05:30] <duanedesign> hey kermiac i noticed that today
[05:31] <kermiac> hi duanedesign :)
[05:31] <duanedesign> bladerunner: run : ls -la ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/
[05:31] <duanedesign> sorry
[05:31] <duanedesign> bladerunner: you dont have that folder
[05:32] <bladerunner> nope
[05:32] <duanedesign> ls -la ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/
[05:32] <bladerunner> ok
[05:32] <duanedesign> and see who the owner and group is for the shares folder
[05:32] <bladerunner> me
[05:32] <duanedesign> sorry yes
[05:33] <duanedesign> bladerunner: should be a line like this
[05:33] <duanedesign> drwxr-xr-x  5 duanedesign duanedesign 4096 2010-03-19 17:34 vm
[05:33] <bladerunner> I don't mean to be a smartass... it's my username as the owner and group
[05:34] <duanedesign> bladerunner: ok
[05:34] <bladerunner> though the line isn't identical...
[05:34] <bladerunner> dr-xr-xr-x  2 grifter grifter 4096 2010-01-22 00:54 shares
[05:34] <bladerunner> so maybe I'm wrong and I'm not owner
[05:35] <duanedesign> looks right. If your grifter ;)
[05:35] <duanedesign> dr-xr-xr-x  2 duanedesign duanedesign 4096 2010-03-19 17:34 shares
[05:36] <bladerunner> k
[05:36] <bladerunner> the folder is empty, if that means something
[05:37] <duanedesign> try starting the applet from the Termminal
[05:37] <duanedesign> /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-applet
[05:38] <bladerunner> "No such file or directory"
[05:39] <bladerunner> going in there through nautilus,
[05:39] <duanedesign> ok
[05:39] <bladerunner> there's a syncdaemon dile
[05:40] <duanedesign> you must have the Beta version
[05:40] <bladerunner> I do?
[05:40] <duanedesign> no the report says you have 1.0.3
[05:42] <duanedesign> ok start ubuntu one from the menu
[05:42] <duanedesign> applications > Internet > Ubuntu One
[05:43] <bladerunner> ok
[05:44] <bladerunner> it's open
[05:44] <duanedesign> run this command
[05:44] <duanedesign> dbus-send --session --print-reply  --dest=com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon --type=method_call /status com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Status.current_status
[05:45] <bladerunner> Ok
[05:45] <bladerunner> spat out a bunch of messages
[05:45] <duanedesign> can you paste it at   paste.ubuntu.com
[05:45] <duanedesign> just copy and paste it into that texy box and hit paste
[05:46] <duanedesign> the resulting URL is what you post here
[05:46] <bladerunner> http://paste.ubuntu.com/398165/
[05:46] <duanedesign> thank you
[05:50] <duanedesign> bladerunner: what number you get from:  find ~/Ubuntu\ One | wc -l
[05:50] <bladerunner> 692
[05:51] <duanedesign> ok
[05:53] <duanedesign> what i am going to recommend is that Monday morning I will make  rye aware of your problem. He will be able to help you better.
[05:54] <duanedesign> if he comes in over the weekend I will tell him about your situation
[05:54] <duanedesign> also
[05:54] <duanedesign> if you can make sure its connected (looks like it is) and let it run like for several hours
[05:54] <bladerunner> okie doke
[05:55] <bladerunner> Thanks for trying, I do appreciate it!
[05:55] <duanedesign> but i will absoloutely make sure you get taken care of
[05:55] <duanedesign> bladerunner: rye will probablly comment on your bug report ( him or I) feel free to stop bt Monday, not necessary we will look at your bug either way
[05:56] <duanedesign> you left lots of good info on your report :)
[05:56] <duanedesign> i like reports like that
[05:57] <bladerunner> I try...I'm prety dumb about Linux, but I understand that the best way to get help is to make your problem clear :)
[05:57] <bladerunner> Thanks again. I hope you have a good night, assuming it's night where you are
[05:57] <duanedesign> bladerunner: it's rye's job is to handle just this. Strange bugs :)
[05:57] <bladerunner> lol, well, cool!
[05:57] <duanedesign> it is.
[05:57] <duanedesign> you have a nice (local time)
[05:58] <bladerunner> lol, I will try
[05:59] <kermiac> duanedesign: do you know if there's a new master bug report for SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE? or what we should do with those bugs? there seems to be a few of them over the last couple of days & 3 so far from today (that I've found)
[06:00] <kermiac> or maybe we should re-open bug 458393?
[06:00] <duanedesign> oh, sorry kermiac
[06:00] <duanedesign> he he
[06:00] <kermiac> hey np duanedesign - i saw u were busy :)
[06:03] <duanedesign> unfortunately I do not know. That is a very good question. It says its been nominated for Karmic...
[06:04] <duanedesign> kermiac: probablly shouldnt of been marked fix released. But I might need to consult the Ubuntu One bug workflow diagram :)
[06:05] <kermiac> duanedesign: yeah, there's no changelog in the bug saying which version of the u1 client fixed the issue
[06:07] <duanedesign> heh, yeah. If you want I can make a note and try and get an answer for this.
[06:07] <kermiac> I'd really appreciate that duanedesign :) It would be great if you could please let me know what the devs say
[06:08] <duanedesign> unfortunately the team is usually not around much on the weekend. But if i do catch one before Mon Ill let you know
[06:08] <kermiac> hopefully I'll still be idle in here... Thanks again duanedesign :)
[06:09] <duanedesign> if not I know I can find you in ubuntu-bugs
[06:09] <kermiac> yup, I'm pretty much always there ;)
[06:13] <kermiac_> duanedesign: FYI - the SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE bug's I found from today are bug 542433 bug 542297 & bug 542314. I'll leave them for now until someone can let us know what we should do
[06:13] <duanedesign> ok great. Thanks for posting those
[06:14] <kermiac_> np duanedesign, I'll talk to you later on :)
[06:14] <duanedesign> kermiac_: ok have a good day/night or wherever inbetween
[06:15] <kermiac_> duanedesign: it's still day here, gotta do outside chores :(   hehe. hope you have a great day/night too :)
[06:17] <duanedesign> bug 542137
[06:18] <duanedesign> bug 541867
[09:42] <kermiac> should all bugs with "UnicodeError: String parameters to be sent over D-Bus must be valid UTF-8" in the syncdaemon.exceptions.log be marked as dupes of bug 368626 & advised to test by running the utf8-filename-check.py script?
[09:52] <kermiac> hello rye :) should all bugs with "UnicodeError: String parameters to be sent over D-Bus must be valid UTF-8" in the syncdaemon.exceptions.log be marked as dupes of bug 368626 & advised to test by running the utf8-filename-check.py script?
[09:55] <rye> kermiac, hi, the "proper" version of the script is now in bzr - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erye/%2Bjunk/ubuntuone-scripts/download/roman.yepishev%40yandex.ua-20100317115059-i54wpleutgiorsba/utf8filenamecheck.py-20100317115012-ckrx3rvbex5oiozs-1/utf8-filename-check.py
[09:55] <rye> adding this to the bug report
[09:55] <rye> wow this is a long link...
[09:58] <kermiac> rye: yeah, that is a *very* long link :) to avoid the really long link, should I just point the bug reporters to that script in the bug report once you've replaced the script that is currently attached to 36826 with this new version?
[09:59] <rye> kermiac, will put the one at people.canonical.com, just a moment
[09:59] <kermiac> ok ty :)
[10:00] <rye> kermiac, is http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/utf8-filename-check.py better ?
[10:00] <kermiac> rye: yes, that's much better ;)
[10:00] <rye> straight from bzr
[10:01] <kermiac> also, while you're around.... duane_design & I were discussing "SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE" bugs being reported again.
[10:01] <rye> kermiac, added url to bug #368626
[10:01] <rye> hm
[10:02] <kermiac> bug bug 458393 is "fix released"
[10:02] <rye> well, SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE state does not exist anymore in new revisions, in Lucid and PPA
[10:02] <kermiac> I'll find some bug reports in the backscroll
 duanedesign: FYI - the SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE bug's I found from today are bug 542433 bug 542297 & bug 542314. I'll leave them for now until someone can let us know what we should do
[10:03] <rye> kermiac, i believe the bug should get release attached, it is NOT fixed for karmic... hmmm
[10:04] <kermiac> so 458393 should be "fix committed" & mark any "SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE" as dupes?
[10:05] <emry> Is there a way to tell the system to totally rescan my directories and update the server_
[10:05] <emry> ?
[10:05] <emry> I am showing about 20MB difference between local and the server
[10:05] <kermiac> rye: or maybe have the lucid task as "fix released" & open a karmic task?
[10:05] <rye> emry, what client version are you running?
[10:06] <rye> kermiac, I am trying to find how to add lucid task :-/ I believe I haven't done that before
[10:06] <emry> rye, What is the easiest way to find out?
[10:06] <rye> emry, in the terminal - apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client
[10:07] <emry> Installed: 1.0.3-0ubuntu1
[10:08] <rye> emry, ok, could you please run the script from the bug #488232 to see whether there are files that need to be updated. (In newer version that can be done with u1sdtool --waiting-content)
[10:10] <emry> rye, Does the script need to be  in a specific directory?
[10:11] <rye> emry, if no arguments given, that would scan the current dir, otherwise - utf8-filename-check.py /home/something would scan a different location
[10:11] <rye> need to write the doc page for that, not obvious
[10:12] <emry> The script has a different name ^^
[10:12] <rye> emry, oh, sorry, I am still not really woke up
[10:12]  * rye resets
[10:12] <kermiac> rye: from the bugsquad wiki, I think this might appropriate - "If a bug is fixed in the current development release, it is Fix Released. If the bug also needs to be fixed in a stable release, use the "Target to release" link to nominate it for that release. "
[10:13] <rye> kermiac, true
[10:13] <kermiac> rye: seems like joshua hoover has already done that ^^
[10:13] <rye> emry, no, that script checks your Ubuntu One folder
[10:13] <kermiac> rye: so I should be safe to just mark the other bug reports as dupes, right?
[10:14] <rye> kermiac, yes, I believe - the state machine (which was causing all these BadTransition errors) was completely rewritten
[10:14] <kermiac> rye: ok, thanks for all of your help :)
[10:14] <rye> kermiac, thank you! :)
[10:15] <kermiac> np rye :)
[10:16] <emry> u1sdstatus.py returned a list of file names.
[10:18] <rye> emry, ok, those files are need to go to the server, could you please post here (i believe nobody minds) the output of u1sdtool --status ?
[10:19] <emry> Usage: u1sdtool [option]
[10:19] <emry> ^^;
[10:23] <rye> u1sdtool --status
[10:25] <emry> Yes, tat is what I put in to get the response I pasted.
[10:26] <emry> Ah, it also gives this:
[10:27] <emry> u1sdtool: error: no such option: --status
[10:29] <emry> Is it possible I have outdated pieces?
[10:30] <rye> emry, hm, possible. could you do this - dpkg -l *ubuntuone*
[10:31] <emry> What is the preferred pastebin type thing here?
[10:32] <rye> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <emry> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d1e5ir92
[10:33] <emry> Ah, I moved too fast. &&
[10:33] <emry> ^^
[10:56] <rye> emry, what does "apt-cache policy python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol" say about the candidate?
[10:58] <emry> No response.
[10:59] <emry> Does that mean that the 1.0.1 is the only option_
[10:59] <emry> ?
[10:59] <emry> brbr
[10:59] <emry> I did something wrong. ^^
[11:01] <emry> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/FdMB8yWD
[11:02] <rye> emry, ok, good, now lets start with a clear state - could you please quit the applet and do u1sdtool -q in the terminal
[11:02] <rye> u1sdtool controls ubuntuone syncdaemon which is an application that performs actual file sync
[11:03] <rye> then please try starting applet from the terminal, ubuntuone-client-applet
[11:06] <rye> emry, and try to connect, if that does not start to pick up files, could you please check whether you have ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log and if yes, please pastebin it. If not, please page ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log - that file will contain the filenames of the files that are in your ~/Ubuntu One folder, so if that's an issue, you might want to send the file to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(that's me)
[11:24] <emry> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/QZPxDHMt
[11:26] <emry> The other will take a moment. ^^
[12:30] <yltsrc1> hi all
[12:31] <yltsrc1> how i can remove all u1 config files?
[12:32] <yltsrc1> i am using 10.04 and i can't connect to u1
[14:25] <huntz0r> Anyone here have any experience with building in desktop couch support to their apps to get them to sync to ubuntuone?
[14:29] <duanedesign> hello newlucio
[14:29] <duanedesign> sorry newlucio
[14:29] <duanedesign> huntz0r: hello
[14:29] <huntz0r> hey duanedesign, hows it going? :-)
[14:30] <duanedesign> Good. After a bunch of Spring like weather weather its cold and rainy.
[14:30] <duanedesign> So  good excuse to stay inside on the computer
[14:31] <huntz0r> hehe, I have no excuse, its sunny in dundee for a change ;-)
[14:31] <duanedesign> huntz0r: I built a Python script that saves the list of programs from your computer into a CouchDB
[14:32] <huntz0r> duanedesign: cool, I'm working on a rhythmbox plugin that will sync podcast feeds.  I've got the sync between rhythmbox and desktop couch working, it just doesn't seem to replicate to ubuntuone
[14:33] <duanedesign> nice!
[14:33] <duanedesign> I have been wanting to do a Rhythmbox plugin
[14:34] <huntz0r> The API is quite hard to understand if you don't know C,c++
[14:34] <huntz0r> I've never done any of that before so took me a while to figure it all out :-D
[14:37] <duanedesign> huntz0r: yeah they python code is underdocumented
[14:38] <huntz0r> duanedesign, yep!!  I had to hack about with the inbuilt python console plugin to figure out what I needed to do :-)
[14:38] <duanedesign> huntz0r: does UbntuOne work
[14:38] <duanedesign> huntz0r: huntz0r syncing files and such
[14:40] <huntz0r> duanedesign: yeah, file sync works fine, its the couchdb bit that doesn't seem to work at the moment :-(
[14:41] <duanedesign> and you see your DB at  file:///home/USERNAME/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[14:41] <huntz0r> yup
[14:42] <duanedesign> huntz0r: ok
[14:43] <duanedesign> huntz0r: open  ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log
[14:43] <huntz0r> duanedesign: Is there anyway to manually kick off the desktop couch replication process?
[14:43] <huntz0r> yep, have that tailed on the terminal
[14:43] <duanedesign> sort of
[14:44] <huntz0r> duanedesign: the log hasn't spat out any information since last sunday
[14:45] <duanedesign> huntz0r: ok run this command in the Terminal, it will start DesktopCouch
[14:45] <duanedesign> dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[14:46] <huntz0r> duanedesign, WOW!  now have *a lot* of errors!!!
[14:46] <duanedesign> heh, well at least its info
[14:46] <duanedesign> not the kind of information we would like to have ideally :)
[14:47] <duanedesign> could you http://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:47] <huntz0r> duanedesign:  Ive got a few other databases in my couchdb from when I was getting to learn it and most of the messages follow this pattern: ResourceNotFound: ('db_not_found', 'could not open https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/u%2F091%2Fe1a%2F41350%2Fjotty/') 2010-03-20 14:45:38,708 ERROR    replication of services aborted
[14:47] <huntz0r> duanedesign, sure!  Will do
[14:49] <huntz0r> duanedesign: may be a silly question.  But am I good to post up the debug there with all my conumer_secret and token information?  That won't allow anyone access to my account will it?
[14:50] <duanedesign> huntz0r: sorry. one sec
[14:51] <duanedesign> huntz0r: you can use find/replace in gedit to replace that
[14:54] <huntz0r> duanedesign: cool, here's the link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398345/   As I say, there are is *lot* of info there! :-)
[14:58] <duanedesign> ok
[14:59] <duanedesign> huntz0r: have you tried deleting the desktop-couchdb.ini file yet?
[15:00] <huntz0r> duanedesign: no, not yet.  Will give it a go :-)
[15:00] <duanedesign> huntz0r: first run
[15:01] <duanedesign> huntz0r: killall beam.smp
[15:01] <duanedesign> no sudo with that command.
[15:01] <duanedesign> f this says beam.smp: no process found, then do killall beam instead
[15:02] <huntz0r> duanedesign: think that worked, no errors anyway (or output)
[15:02] <duanedesign> huntz0r: then run
[15:02]  * rye is relatively around
[15:02] <duanedesign> rm ~/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.ini
[15:02] <duanedesign> rye: hello!
[15:03] <rye> duanedesign, hi, i see you are fixing couchdb, btw, do you have your one running now?
[15:03] <duanedesign> rye: I know its your weekend, but if you have a second  this is huntz0r log http://paste.ubuntu.com/398345/
[15:03] <duanedesign> rye: no I do not :(
[15:04] <duanedesign> huntz0r: after the 'rm' command
[15:04] <rye> duanedesign, already had a look, checking my couchdb replication now
[15:04] <duanedesign> huntz0r:   dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[15:05] <duanedesign> huntz0r: thats the command we used easlier to start desktopcouch
[15:05] <rye> ok, replication works
[15:06] <huntz0r> duanedesign: not so many errors this time :-)  Just one
[15:06] <huntz0r> duanedesign: 2010-03-20 15:05:35,632 ERROR    Can't get list of databases from <OAuthCapableServer 'http://localhost:33370/'>
[15:07] <duanedesign> ok
[15:07] <huntz0r> duanedesign: i can pastebin up the stacktrace if it helps
[15:08] <rye> huntz0r, yes, it would be great
[15:08] <rye> hm, can't get a list of dbs from local couchdb?
[15:09] <huntz0r> here's the link guys: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398351/
[15:10] <rye> huntz0r, is beam.smp/beam process running?
[15:10] <huntz0r> rye: yep, htop shows it running
[15:15] <rye> huntz0r, hm, could you please check whether dc can get the port - http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/desktopcouch-futon.py and see whether futon can list the databases
[15:15] <rye> duanedesign,  http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/ = lp:~rye/+junk/ubuntuone-scripts
[15:15] <duanedesign> ahh nice
[15:16] <duanedesign> rye: I have a few of those I have collected on my people.ubuntu.com page. Ill be sure to update to the newer more complete list
[15:18] <rye> duanedesign, i decided to keep them all in bzr and just fetch from it to http server for easy access. URLs for bzr download via the web are awfully long
[15:18] <huntz0r> rye: yes, the webpage loaded up fine and all my databases are there
[15:18] <rye> huntz0r, btw, lucid or karmic?
[15:18] <huntz0r> rye: karmic
[15:21] <duanedesign> huntz0r: are you syncing the DB to a VM or another machine?
[15:23] <huntz0r> duanedesign: got a karmic VM on the go at the moment
[15:24] <huntz0r> duanedesign: sorry, ment lucid vm
[15:40] <rye> so, can't get list of databases... hm, starting karmic vm
[15:45] <rye> except socket.error, e:
[15:45] <rye>         logging.error("Can't get list of databases from %s", couchdb_server)
[15:47] <duanedesign> rye: where did you find that^^
[15:48] <rye> /usr/share/pyshared/desktopcouch/pair/couchdb_pairing/couchdb_io.py
[15:48] <duanedesign> d'oh
[15:48] <rye> now I wonder what causes socket error and why it is so reproducible
[15:48] <duanedesign> i didnt see that one. I have been looking at replication.py and client.py
[16:23] <duanedesign> huntz0r: you still around :)
[16:25] <huntz0r> duanedesign: yep!! :-)  Have installed a clean karmic VM and have just run into an interesting problem ;-)  The couchdb-replication log hasn't been created although files are syncing.  I must be unlucky :-D
[16:25] <duanedesign> by files do you mean you DB's
[16:26] <huntz0r> duanedesign:  no, just files I dump into my ubuntuone folder are syncing,  havent tried creating a couchdb database.  Was just going to try that :-)
[16:27] <duanedesign> huntz0r: I want to try removing your tokens from the keyring and authenticating your computer again
[16:28] <huntz0r> duanedesign: sure, will try that now
[16:28] <duanedesign> Quit Ubuntu One client
[16:28] <duanedesign> Open Applications->Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys
[16:28] <huntz0r> duanedesign: do you want me to first remove my machine from the ubuntuone webui and then delete keys?
[16:29] <huntz0r> duanedesign: ok
[16:29] <duanedesign> Right-click on the Ubuntu One token and select "Delete"
[16:30] <duanedesign> Go to https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/
[16:30] <duanedesign> # Click on the checkbox next to your computer
[16:30] <duanedesign> 'remove selected computer'
[16:30] <duanedesign> #
[16:30] <duanedesign> Open Applications->Internet->Ubuntu One
[16:31] <duanedesign> and you should be promted to add your computer
[16:33] <huntz0r> duanedesign: ok, thats it done.  should i try restarting the desktop couch again or wait for the next replication cycle?
[16:34] <duanedesign> huntz0r: yeah we can 'kick it' wake it up :)
[16:35] <duanedesign> do you still have the dbus command
[16:35] <huntz0r> duanedesign: is that the dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort command?
[16:38] <duanedesign> yes sir huntz0r
[16:38] <huntz0r> duanedesign: sir huntz0r,  has a nice ring to it :-P
[16:39] <duanedesign> lol, it does
[16:40] <huntz0r> duanedesign, the command didn't seem to kick-start the replication process... :-/
[16:42] <duanedesign> dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[16:43] <duanedesign> looks correct.
[16:43] <huntz0r> nothing in the replication logs :-(  Although the next cycle *should* be in two mins
[16:45] <duanedesign> bug 463537
[16:45] <duanedesign> huntz0r: I was going to file a bug for you. And I came across this bug
[16:46] <huntz0r> duanedesign: yup, looks the same
[16:49] <huntz0r> although I had that earlier and haven't had that in a while.  I'm just getting the same error again as shown: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398383/
[16:50] <huntz0r> that's with the re-authentication process duanedesign took me through
[16:53] <duanedesign> huntz0r: lets remove the ini again and restart Couch
[16:53] <huntz0r> ok,  I've found that process you took me through up on freedesktop.org  so I'll run through that and let you know :-)
[16:53] <duanedesign> thats it :P
[16:54] <duanedesign> 'Killing and restarting desktopcouch'
[16:54] <huntz0r> got ya! :-D
[16:56] <duanedesign> that should rewrite the ini file with the new info...
[16:58] <huntz0r> duanedesign, thats it done, nothing in the replication logs yet though
[17:00] <duanedesign> well I am gonna file a bug report for you. Including the info we have gathered so far. That way if its not fixed by the time the whole U1 team comes in in Monday we can make sure it gets looked at
[17:01] <huntz0r> thanks duanedesign!  Thats very kind of you! :-)
[17:05] <duanedesign> ill have the bug number in a second
[17:08] <huntz0r> hold up, some new information! :-)  in the replication logs it shows "Can't get list of databases from <OAuthCapableServer 'http://localhost:33370/'>"  But when I access the couchdb through the web interface, it connects in on port 34208
[17:08] <duanedesign> huntz0r: what do you get on the terminal for the version:
[17:08] <duanedesign>  dpkg -l desktopcouch
[17:08] <duanedesign> huntz0r: you know i was gonna say something
[17:09] <duanedesign> I noticed earlier that port stayed the same from when we restarteds
[17:09] <duanedesign> restarted the first time
[17:09] <huntz0r>  v0.5-0ubuntu1
[17:09] <duanedesign> rye: ping
[17:10] <rye> pong
[17:10] <duanedesign> hello sir
[17:10] <duanedesign> in the replication logs it  shows "Can't get list of databases from <OAuthCapableServer  'http://localhost:33370/'>"  But when I access the couchdb through  the web interface, it connects in on port 34208
[17:10]  * rye reads the backlog...
[17:11] <huntz0r> brb, making coffee :)
[17:11] <rye> duanedesign, i believe that means that the couchdb process decided to restart...
[17:11] <rye> hmmm
[17:11] <rye> huntz0r, could you please do the following - python /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-stop then killall desktopcouch-service
[17:11] <duanedesign> i noticed earlier the port stayed the same after we started Couch the first time
[17:12] <rye> duanedesign, something does not re-check the pid so it reuses old data
[17:12] <rye> hmmm
[17:12] <rye> let me try this...
[17:12] <rye> no, that's weir
[17:12] <rye> d
[17:23] <duanedesign> huntz0r: i filed the bug. We can add to it or (hopefully) mark it 'Invalid' when we fix it.
[17:23] <duanedesign> bug 542841
[17:23] <huntz0r> duanedesign: thats me stopped the couch and run the kill all command on desktopcouch-service
[17:24] <huntz0r> thanks duanedesign
[17:31] <rye> huntz0r, ok, so now you should not have anything beam-like and desktopcouch-like, right ?
[17:32] <huntz0r> rye: thats correct, nothing showing up in top
[17:32] <rye> huntz0r, ok, now could you please start /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service from the terminal?
[17:38] <huntz0r> rye: got a ton of debug and errors. http://paste.ubuntu.com/398399/  Looks like I'm getting bug 463537 again
[17:39] <rye> huntz0r, ok, now lets try accessing the server
[17:39] <huntz0r> though the ports match up this time :-)
[17:39] <rye> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting
[17:39] <huntz0r> rye: yep, can get into the web interface fine and as I said, the ports match
[17:39] <rye> huntz0r, now there's something wrong with the remote side, or with local side interaction with remote side
[17:39] <rye> or some other third side we are not yet aware of
[17:40] <rye> huntz0r, the URL ^ contains a script for accessing server-side instance
[17:41] <rye> could you please check whether you can say, create server-side db w/ your credentials
[17:41] <rye> buntuone-couchdb-query --http-method=PUT testdb
[17:43] <huntz0r> did  "python ubuntuone-couchdb-query --http-method=PUT xchattest" which gave me "status:500, response: '{"error":"unknown_error","reason":"function_clause"}\n'"
[17:48] <rye> O_O
[18:08] <huntz0r> hmm, am totally stumped on this one :-)  Is very weird
[18:20] <rye> huntz0r, what does it do with ubuntuone-couchdb-query --show-tokens=SHOW_TOKENS xchattest ?
[18:20] <rye> that will contain some tokens
[18:20] <rye> maybe some private ones
[18:21] <huntz0r> rye: yep got the consumer and token then after the token stuff i got There was a problem processing the request:
[18:21] <huntz0r> status:500, response: '{"error":"unknown_error","reason":"function_clause"}\n'
[18:22] <rye> huntz0r, are these tokens present in your /account/machines list?
[18:23] <huntz0r> rye: yep, my oauth_token matches up with the token for this computer on ubuntuone
[18:32] <rye> unknown error comes from couchdb
[18:32] <rye> huntz0r, hm, are you able to access the /contacts or /nots ?
[18:32] <rye> /notes
[18:37] <huntz0r> rye: both agave me the exact same error as above
[18:40] <huntz0r> rye: I can access those pages on the website fine
[18:41] <rye> huntz0r, hm? so you are able to, say connect to /notes/ and see the list of notes and /contacts/ give you the access to the contacts?
[18:41] <rye> hm
[18:41] <rye> have you used the web site in the past?
[18:41] <rye> i mean have you created some notes/contacts?
[18:42] <huntz0r> rye: no, haven't created notes or contacts as I don't use tomboy or evolution,  but I will give it a go the now
[18:42] <rye> huntz0r, could you please create at least one note?
[18:42] <huntz0r> certainly
[18:43] <huntz0r> rye: from tomboy locally or on the web interface
[18:43] <huntz0r> ?*
[18:43] <rye> huntz0r, web interface, please
[18:43] <rye> and save one note, then see whether it stopped working...
[18:44] <huntz0r> rye: yep, thats worked fine
[18:44] <rye> huntz0r, could you please now run h ubuntuone-couchdb-query notes ?
[18:45] <huntz0r> rye: same error -->   status:500, response: '{"error":"unknown_error","reason":"function_clause"}\n'
[18:45] <rye> grrr'
[18:45] <huntz0r> rye: do you think its something to do with my account?  Would it be worthwhile setting up a new account to test?
[18:54] <rye> huntz0r, well, you can do that, certainly. I am wondering how the webui succeeds in accessing the couch but your client does not, they seem to be using the same interface
[18:54] <rye> but I need some desktopcouch guys to verify this
[19:16] <huntz0r> rye: brand new account, new karmic VM exact same errors as before :-(
[19:27] <duanedesign> huntz0r: are you able to cancel your previous account when you do that?
[19:33] <huntz0r> duanedesign: I just created a new account with ubuntuone with a diff email address and created a new, clean, karmic VM
[19:35] <huntz0r> but faced the exact same problems: able to use the web interface to create notes but can not query the notes with the python cmdline tool and my test couchdb will not replicate.  Exact same errors and so on
[20:12] <beuno> rye, maybe it has something to do with the changes they did yesterday?
[20:15] <rye> beuno, well, my couchdbs are ok
[20:22] <beuno> rye, or maybe it has something to do with the oauth key migration?
[20:23] <huntz0r> beuno: the keys match when using the ubuntuone-couchdb-query cmdline tool
[20:24] <huntz0r> its all rather odd! :-)
[20:26] <rye> ok
[20:26] <duanedesign> I found this bug which seemed similar. bug 463537
[20:26] <rye> reproduced with new account
[20:26] <rye> beuno, oauth key migration?
[20:28] <huntz0r> duanedesign: yep, i found that earlier, my comment and log is up there
[20:28] <huntz0r> i re-opened it too
[20:37] <rye> new accounts do not get replication, the question is - "how new?"
[20:37] <beuno> rye, right, I think it's expected that new accounts dont
[20:38] <beuno> not sure how new, maybe 2 or 3 weeks?
[20:38] <huntz0r> rye: my initial account was created last summer
[20:39] <rye> expected?
[20:39] <duanedesign> what do you mean new accounts dont replicate?
[20:39] <rye> beuno, ^
[20:40] <rye> it is failing w/500, it should not be this way... there are no exceptions in database so...
[20:40] <rye> beuno, at the same time webui access the couchdb properly
[20:41] <rye> so there may be some kind of different paths
[20:50] <duanedesign> rye: new accounts dont get replication? what do you mean?
[20:50] <rye> duanedesign, just created new account - replication fails with the same message
[20:50] <rye> something has changed
[20:53] <duanedesign> rye: ohhh, ok. :P I understand what your saying
[20:56] <rye> well, it fails during /api/account/ call, does not get to couchdb actually
[20:56] <rye> so couch might be working, thats account code that does all that
[20:57] <rye> hm, but tomboy is ok
[20:58] <duanedesign> I filed a bug for huntz0_rs problem.
[21:00] <duanedesign> In case you come across anything to add to it.  bug 542841
[21:00] <rye> no
[21:00] <rye> /api/ works
[21:01] <huntz0r> duanedesign: bug 542841 was for when the ports were not updating properly and it was stuck using an old port even though the couchdb had been restarted and is not, i think, related to this problem :-)
[21:02] <duanedesign> huntz0r: ahh, thankyou huntz0r for noticing that. I was MIA there for a few minutes working on something else.
[21:02] <huntz0r> duanedesign:  hehehe, no worries :-)
[21:03] <duanedesign> i think it will still work. Just a few changes :)
[21:07] <rye> beuno, found couch.logs on beautyberry - function_clause error in HTTP request, not much info
[21:08] <beuno> rye, interesting
[21:08] <rye> ini_apply_changes.log  - hmmm - AssertionError: changes must be a file all over it
[21:08] <beuno> rye, make sure you tell thisfred about it
[21:09] <rye> some ini file holds oauth tokens, i remember this from some talk...
[21:11] <macfriendly> i have just installed ubuntu on my dell and joined ubuntuone, hurrah
[21:11] <ax_> i have the ubuntu-one preferences in my System -> Preferences menu in gnome.  None of the settings are editable except the bandwidth limiting.. There is no info in the 'account' tab.. .. is this normal?
[21:12] <rye> eh...
[21:12] <macfriendly> capabilities mismatch with server  #fail :(
[21:12] <ax_> Basicaly, I haven't been able to get my evolution contacts to sync.
[21:12] <rye> macfriendly, you might want to upgrade the installation
[21:14] <rye> duanedesign, i believe the rodrigo's bug needs to be left alone - the source of the error is definitely different from the things that were happening in 2009
[21:14] <macfriendly>  i tried update but it trashed my instal so am loathed to do again
[21:14] <rye> huntz0r, I will create new bug report for this problem adding some more info from the server logs, ok?
[21:15] <rye> macfriendly, o_O
[21:15] <huntz0r> rye: yeah man, that would be great! :-)
[21:15] <rye> macfriendly, were you trying to perform update of ubuntuone only or the whole system?
[21:15] <macfriendly> whole system I guess
[21:15] <rye> huntz0r, this is definitely a server issue
[21:16] <rye> macfriendly, well, there were some major upgrades done to 9.10 release in the past that were fixing the bugs that were found (SRU - stable release upgrades)
[21:16] <huntz0r> rye: ah, k.  I'm glad it wasn't me doing something wrong :-)
[21:16] <huntz0r> rye, duanedesign  thanks for all the help today! You guys are awesome! :-D
[21:17] <rye> huntz0r, I will subscribe you to the bug report once I file one
[21:17] <rye> thanks!
[21:18] <huntz0r> rye: cheers!  Very much appreciated  :-)
[21:30] <rye> this starts to be long...
[21:30] <rye> well, nobody put known issues to channel topic earlier
[21:43] <rye> duanedesign, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status - not approved in any way by anybody in ubuntuone team but I had some talk some months ago about this and it looks like that is really required
[21:43] <duanedesign> rye: sure. did you see the new bug i created earlier today for huntz0(r)
[21:43] <rye> duanedesign, thanks btw for the menubar!
[21:45] <rye> duanedesign, so I am not linking to it from other pages for now
[21:46] <duanedesign> rye:  we need to add 3 more pages to keep the menus even :)
[21:47] <rye> :-D
[21:47] <duanedesign> rye: i created bug 542841
[21:48] <rye> duanedesign, yep, I think that the port issue might have been fixed for Lucid but some bugs are still there in Karmic
[21:48] <duanedesign> when huntz0(r)s problem was starting to look like it might take a bit to figure out. If you create a new one, we can mark that invalid?
[21:48] <rye> duanedesign, that's really strange why couchdb would access the service on a different port, though...
[21:48] <duanedesign> rye: seems like every problem we fixed a new one came up :(
[21:50] <rye> duanedesign, well, for the ports that might be possible to have desktopcouch service not to update the port, i.e. it cached the old port then couchdb somehow exited, desktopcouch restarted it but failed to obtain the port
[21:50] <rye> that's why it was accessing the instance via different port
[21:50] <rye> theory only
[21:51] <rye> now I need to poke someone for couchdb thing... Grrr, still can't understand why that works for web ui but not for clients...
[21:51] <duanedesign> rye: you probablly saw, but I added the metadata_6 bug to the /Bugs page. I know its a 'Wont Fix' but it started to come up with more frequency lately. I use that as a dupe cheatsheet. If thats ok.
[21:52] <rye> duanedesign, yes, thats ok. However, though... we might want to add some sort of TooNewMetadataVersionException so that we could finally start using apport service for dups...
[21:52] <duanedesign> rye: what do you mean it works for web and not client
[21:53] <duanedesign> rye: accessing the Contacts and Notes DB
[21:53] <rye> duanedesign, if couch is down completely  (or for one user, for some reason) then both web ui and client access (e.g. replication) will be broken. In this case the web ui is OK but replication is failing suggesting that there exists something that handles access differently and I believe that's oauth handling.
[21:54] <rye> the stack trace I posted (while I don't know what that script does) may mean that something fails to be written somewhere
[21:54] <rye> if that's the case then that "something" might be required for the client access
[21:54] <rye> too much unknowns
[21:54] <rye> need desktopcouch/foundations+
[21:55] <duanedesign> ahhh
[21:55] <duanedesign> rye: thats intteresting... yeah =, find the difference in how the two access the DB and you have your problem
[21:56] <rye> I really hope that desktop+ will fix notes UI soon, even sooner than soon.
[21:57] <duanedesign> rye: I had been watching snowy for a long time waiting for it to land
[21:58] <duanedesign> in the syncdaemon folder what is the difference in fsm and vm?
[21:58] <duanedesign> rye: ^^
[22:00] <rye> FSM = file system metadata, vm - volume manager.
[22:01] <rye> but what volume manager does - haven't got to this point yet
[22:01] <duanedesign> i helped a guy last night with a bug
[22:03] <duanedesign> i made a note so I could talk to you about it monday
[22:03] <rye> duanedesign, yep, monday will be better, chicharra guys will be here
[22:04] <duanedesign> we must of been looking at metadata because i wrote that question above it :)
[22:04] <duanedesign> rye: i understand completely. Thanks for helping so much today.
[22:05] <duanedesign> rye: i am gonna wrap some MOTU stuff and go play in the snow :P
[22:05] <duanedesign> have a good weekend!
[22:06] <rye> duanedesign, well
[22:06] <duanedesign> yes
[22:06] <rye> duanedesign, http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1021474&l=f0d0b8ba9b&id=1034723290
[22:06] <rye> duanedesign, not much snow here, and pretty scary at some places :)
[22:06] <rye> duanedesign, actually it is now +8 :)
[22:07] <duanedesign> rye: wow
[22:07] <rye> i am looking at these pictures and can't believe that this is a _NEW_ location, looks like some nightmare
[22:07] <rye> well, my Motorola A1200 does pretty bad pictures, but that does not count
[22:08] <rye> it looks like there has been a war or something
[22:09] <duanedesign> rye: do a lot of Ukranians speak Russian as well as Ukranian?
[22:10] <rye> duanedesign, frankly speaking Russian is used almost everywhere in the capital :(...
[22:10] <rye> duanedesign, well, Ukrainian is the official one and a lot of people speak a mixture of both.
[22:11] <duanedesign> rye: during the elections I listened to a radio program where they talked to some Ukranians, probablly older ones, that still consider themselves Russian
[22:12] <rye> duanedesign, yeah, the younger generation can't talk proper Ukrainian
[22:13] <rye> duanedesign, as well as proper Russian, there is something like total dumbing of the population :-/
[22:13] <rye> __lucio__, foundations+ ?
[22:13] <duanedesign> rye: I know the feeling.
[22:13] <__lucio__> rye, ??
[22:13] <duanedesign> rye: you guys have a good weekend
[22:15] <rye> foundations+: bug #542993
[22:15] <rye> __lucio__, ^
[22:15] <rye> I know that's a weekend but something became broken
[22:16] <rye> duanedesign, thanks, have a good weekend as well!
[22:16] <huntz0r> duanedesign: thanks again mate for all your help!
[22:17] <duanedesign> o/


[07:14] <rogpeppe> babbageclunk: hiya
[08:25] <mup> Bug #1639170 opened: openstack trusty:liberty deployment fails due to no relations and insufficient peer units <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639170>
[12:28] <balloons> dooferlad, afternoon to you
[12:29] <dooferlad> balloons: hi
[12:29] <dooferlad> balloons: I was just about to get lunch. Will this be quick?
[12:29] <balloons> so dooferlad, mgz and I spent some time debugging why the triggers weren't working yesterday, and made some changes along with updating the plugin we use
[12:30] <balloons> dooferlad, yea, don't skip lunch for me ;) I was just letting you know that it seems the troubles with some people not being able to trigger a rebuild aren't fixed -- since you still can't
[12:30] <dooferlad> balloons: thanks for the update. I wouldn't skip lunch, only delay it.
[13:49] <dooferlad> babbageclunk, voidspace, mgz, katco, natefinch: I have two little PRs up still: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6539 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6538 if someone could take a look
[13:49] <voidspace> dooferlad: grabbing coffee first, then will grab one
[13:49] <dooferlad> voidspace: thanks!
[13:59] <katco> dooferlad: reviewed 6538
[13:59] <dooferlad> katco: just in time for the standup too!
[14:00] <voidspace> dooferlad: I'm looking at 6539, but standup time
[14:03] <katco> mgz: standup time
[14:03] <mgz> katco: ta, I'll hop over
[14:59] <alexisb> perrito666, you around?
[15:01] <perrito666> alexisb: just recovering from a computer crash
[15:01] <perrito666> alexisb: what can I do for you?
[15:11] <rick_h___> katco: can you please join https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rick?authuser=1 as soon as you can ?
[15:11] <katco> rick_h___: brt
[15:16] <voidspace> going to pick up daughter from school
[15:16] <voidspace> brb
[16:17] <natefinch> whoever decided to standardize on ctxt as an abbreviation for context should be ashamed of themselves :/
[16:18] <voidspace> natefinch: why?
[16:18] <natefinch> because ctx is a much more common abbreviation, which is why I constantly get errors like this: undefined: ctx in ctx.Stdout
[16:21] <voidspace> natefinch: ah!
[16:21] <voidspace> fair enough
[16:21] <voidspace> right, I'm off to London
[16:21] <voidspace> see you all on Monday
[16:40] <balloons> katco, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1639291 has the trace log attached if you still want it
[16:40] <mup> Bug #1639291: upgrade-juju fails after bootstrapping with agent-version <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639291>
[16:41] <katco> balloons: ta
[16:42] <balloons> katco, note.. I see different behavoirs under 2.0.0 than 2.0.1. I will redo the tests to confirm
[16:42] <balloons> both logs are attached
[16:42] <katco> balloons: k, i'll treat this as central place for info
[16:53] <balloons> Should juju 2 be looking at kvm support? juju.cmd.jujud determining kvm support: INFO: Your CPU does not support KVM extensions
[16:54] <katco> balloons: i thought we had foregone kvm support for 2.x
[16:54] <balloons> that was my thought.. Another bug I believe
[16:55] <rick_h___> No isn't redir working on that?
[16:55] <balloons> rick_h___, what does juju 2 use kvm for?
[16:55] <redir> yup
[16:56] <balloons> ah, you are solving https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1547665
[16:56] <mup> Bug #1547665: juju 2.0 no longer supports KVM for local provider <2.0-count> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547665>
[16:57] <redir> balloons: currently I am working on removing our uvtool-libvirt dependency so kvm will work on ppc64 (and arm64)
[18:45] <natefinch> redir: made all your suggested code review changes: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6498
[19:11] <marcoceppi> who can tell me everything I need to know about spaces and AWS
[19:13] <natefinch> not sure there are many networking people on at this time of day.  I think they're all european timezones
[19:14] <perrito666> marcoceppi: as natefinch said, most networking people is afaik in europe and some even traveling for a sprint
[19:16] <marcoceppi> perrito666 natefinch :(
[19:30] <rick_h___> marcoceppi: make sure your account is vpc enabled
[19:31] <marcoceppi> rick_h___: it is
[19:31] <marcoceppi> rick_h___: I want to bind relations on different spaces
[19:31] <rick_h___> marcoceppi: though the code isn't complete and not everything will work, like endpoint binding I believe.
[19:32] <marcoceppi> rick_h___: so we need juju to be updated, otherwise it's all flat VPC?
[19:32] <marcoceppi> i see the vpc-id in model config, and stuff
[19:32] <rick_h___> marcoceppi: so you can deploy to different spaces but not get the binding. The charm has to be grabbing the right nic I think.
[19:33] <rick_h___> marcoceppi: try it? Just deploy with --bind for the spaces you've got.
[19:35] <rick_h___> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/network-spaces and https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charms-deploying
[19:36] <rick_h___> marcoceppi: ^ the deploying with binding section
[19:42] <marcoceppi> rick_h___: are spaces supported in bundles?
[19:43] <marcoceppi> rick_h___: cool, I'll try bind when I land
[19:44] <rick_h___> marcoceppi: so spaces constraints are, I'll have to check the code if bindings with endpoints made the spec.
[19:45] <marcoceppi> rick_h___: awesome, bundles would be nice, but if it has to be a script that runs deploy a few times with bind for this guy, all the better
[19:47] <rick_h___> Marcoceppi yea, only in constraints sorry
[19:47] <marcoceppi> cheers, no worries
[19:59] <natefinch> sinzui: FYI github-check-merge doesn't seem to rerun if you git commit --amend && git push -f on an existing PR
[19:59] <natefinch> (which is something that I do all the time)
[20:00] <natefinch> e.g. https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6498
[20:00] <sinzui> natefinch: interesting
[20:00] <perrito666> natefinch: even if you !!something!!?
[20:00] <natefinch> perrito666: well, I could yes, but I shouldn't have to, is the point
[20:01] <natefinch> this happens fairly often - I push something up, realize I forgot to git add a file, so I do so, ammend the previous commit and push up. The checks fail on the original push (because missing file), but then it never reruns.


[14:35] <hatch> lazyPower: hey what software do you use for your blog now?
[14:35] <lazyPower> hatch: pellican
[14:36] <hatch> ahh I thought you'd might use Hugo
[14:36] <lazyPower> hugo was in an inconsistent state when i evaluated it
[14:36] <lazyPower> it was a toss up between jekyll and pelican. i opted into python
[14:37] <hatch> ahh gotcha
[14:37] <hatch> I added a few new features to the ghost blog this weekend
[14:37] <lazyPower> I saw ;)
[14:37] <hatch> (I saw your comment on an issue thx)
[14:37]  * lazyPower thumbs up
[14:37] <lazyPower> you're on the right track
[14:37] <lazyPower> you care about concerns. I'm +1 for that * 100000000
[14:38] <lazyPower> encapsulation = key to a rich experience
[14:38] <hatch> thanks - the big issue now is how to properly add ssl support
[14:38] <lazyPower> thats the responsibility of the front-end
[14:38] <lazyPower> nginx, haproxy, etc.
[14:38] <lazyPower> and looking over the existing relations - it seems like its a candidate for a new relationship so you can encapsulate teh ssl certificate in the middleware (ghost) - and pass it off over the wire to the web head when it creates teh vhost
[14:39] <lazyPower> but that may not be the propper approach. I haven't given it much more thought than the 5 minutes i spent reading issues.
[14:39] <hatch> I wish we had a promoted nginx charm
[14:39] <hatch> so I could do haproxy > nginx > ghost
[14:39] <hatch> and call it a day :)
[14:40] <lazyPower> you dont really gain much by putting haproxy in front of nginx imho
[14:40] <lazyPower> nginx as a scale out LB webhead is phenomenal in terms of performance
[14:40] <hatch> well nginx should probably be a subordinate
[14:40] <hatch> is it?
[14:40] <lazyPower> there's use cases for both
[14:40] <lazyPower> yep
[14:40] <hatch> oh interesting
[14:40] <lazyPower> i ran a pure nginx shop @ level
[14:40] <lazyPower> it was the lowest maintenance webheads i had
[14:41] <hatch> so you're the guy to write the nginx charm then? :P
[14:41] <lazyPower> http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/load_balancing.html
[14:41] <lazyPower> hatch: well, let me frame the context here
[14:41] <hatch> I figured this out http://fromanegg.com/post/105250564587/how-to-rewrite-and-redirect-with-haproxy
[14:41] <lazyPower> i have a broken rails charm, dns charm to be completed, kubernetes work to catch up on, docker charm to add features to, and documentation all around to update
[14:41] <hatch> so that I can use the existing haproxy charm
[14:41] <lazyPower> yeah, i did enjoy that read and you're on teh right path there
[14:41] <hatch> oh so you have lots of free time :P
[14:42] <lazyPower> something like that :)
[14:42] <hatch> I'm not sure that haproxy can do ssl with 1.4
[14:42] <hatch> something I'll have to look into this week
[14:42] <lazyPower> i think / feel at this point - you're comign to a cross roads where it makes sense to develop what you want vs jack hammering haproxy
[14:43] <lazyPower> take the existing nginx / apache charms - convert to a sub, and implement the relationship you want/need - propose @ the list for discussion and if they dont like the implementation - PR's are welcome
[14:44] <lazyPower> you win by getting what you want, store wins by getting another implementation of a webhead
[14:44]  * lazyPower afk's to head to the dentist
[14:44] <hatch> looks like haproxy requires 1.5
[14:44] <hatch> enjoy :)
[14:44] <hatch> - for ssl that is
[15:38] <hatch> uiteam I need one more review for my guicharm branch (small) https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/charms/trusty/juju-gui/add-uuid-configjs/+merge/248826
[15:40] <hatch> don't everyone jump at once :P
[17:07] <sebas5384> rick_h_: ping
[17:22] <rick_h_> sebas5384: pong
[17:23] <sebas5384> rick_h_: hey! I'm at the event, and tomorrow I'm gonna present using the online demo of juju gui
[17:23] <rick_h_> sebas5384: cool a new release was cut with bug fixes
[17:23] <sebas5384> rick_h_: I sow the bugs are still there
[17:23] <rick_h_> sebas5384: so let me know if you need anything
[17:23] <rick_h_> huh?
[17:23] <sebas5384> great!!
[17:23] <rick_h_> hatch: ^
[17:23] <rick_h_> sebas5384: try upgrading
[17:23]  * hatch perks up
[17:23] <sebas5384> take a look
[17:23] <sebas5384> demo.jujucharms.com
[17:24] <hatch> demo.jujucharms.com was not updated
[17:24] <rick_h_> sebas5384: oh right, it's not installed there yet
[17:24] <hatch> the real release was
[17:24] <rick_h_> sebas5384: that'll be Tues unfortunately
[17:24] <sebas5384> hmmm
[17:24] <rick_h_> sebas5384: but hte gui charm is updated
[17:24] <rick_h_> so deploy it somewhere and it'll be good
[17:24] <hatch> sebas5384: can you deploy the real charm to an env?
[17:24] <hatch> even local?
[17:24] <hatch> sebas5384: a workaround is to not drag from the charmbrowser
[17:24] <sebas5384> yeah i'm gonna do it locally
[17:24] <hatch> but instead click it then 'add to canvas'
[17:24] <hatch> if you must use demo.jc
[17:25] <sebas5384> hatch: demo.jc ?
[17:25] <hatch> demo.jc.c
[17:25] <hatch> demo.(j)uju(c)harms.(c)om
[17:25] <hatch>  :)
[17:25] <sebas5384> sorry don't know what that is
[17:25] <hatch> abreviation fail
[17:25] <sebas5384> hahahhaa
[17:25] <hatch> lol
[17:25] <sebas5384> ok got it
[17:26] <hatch> lemme know if you run into any other issues
[17:26] <hatch> rick_h_: is supposed to be swapping today :P
[17:27] <sebas5384> i'm have to leave now but I'll be back and install it to see whats happen
[17:27] <sebas5384> later :D
[17:28] <rick_h_> hatch: swapping today?
[17:28] <hatch> frankban: so I'm merging in my branch into the develop-trunk branch now - I complete the merge but I now need to write a comment. SHould I just copy the first msg from the PR?
[17:29] <hatch> rick_h_: yeah, didn't you say you were swapping today
[17:29] <hatch> ?
[17:29] <rick_h_> hatch: oh yea, leaving now :)
[17:29] <hatch> :) cya
[17:29] <frankban> hatch: yes
[17:30] <hatch> thx
[17:32] <hatch> Makyo: I just merged in the branch that was in pending - you may want to pull guicharm
[17:32] <Makyo> hatch, will do, thanks
[17:44] <lazyPower> hatch: does juju-gui have documentation online somewhere?
[17:44] <hatch> lazyPower: user docs?
[17:44] <lazyPower> si
[17:44] <hatch> negative
[17:44] <hatch> there is a guide on how to use it when you first boot it up though
[17:44] <lazyPower> ಠ_ಠ
[17:44] <hatch> there is also the charm details
[17:44] <lazyPower> well thats better than nothing - can i get a link?
[17:44] <hatch> but that's it
[17:45] <hatch> lazyPower: to see it you can go here https://demo.jujucharms.com/ and then click "More" then click "Tutorial"
[17:45] <hatch> it's pretty basic
[17:46] <lazyPower> oh
[17:46] <lazyPower> i asked about the wrong product
[17:46]  * lazyPower facepalms
[17:46] <lazyPower> i meant quickstart, sorry
[17:46] <hatch> lol
[17:46]  * lazyPower hangs his head in shame
[17:46] <hatch> not really beyond the help once it's installed
[17:46] <hatch> mbruzek was working on some I think
[17:47] <hatch> lazyPower: I'd love to see some of those docs on docs.jujucharms.com
[17:47] <lazyPower> hatch: your dead to me
[17:47] <hatch> lol
[17:49] <hatch> lazyPower: bug mbruzek I am pretty sure he said he was working on the documentation last week
[17:50] <lazyPower> well this exists
[17:50] <lazyPower> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/juju-quickstart
[17:50] <lazyPower> its rather sparse, but it helps
[17:51] <lazyPower> hatch: if i write the base docs, you guys gonna carry it to the finish line and keep it up to date?
[17:52] <hatch> best bet is to fire an email with your plans to the mailing list
[17:52] <lazyPower> I can probably churn them out today while i'm digging my hands deep into kubernetes docs
[17:52] <lazyPower> hatch: you mean https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/261 doesn't cover it sufficiently?
[17:54] <hatch> lazyPower: assuming the appropriate parties see that bug :)
[18:01] <hatch> lazyPower: when adding features to my ghost charm - is it better to queue up a bunch of changes then push up for promulgation review to reduce noise in the queue? Or does mutliple updates not really matter as long as you only do a single review sometime in the future
[18:01] <lazyPower> hatch: i'm a fan of small changes that are dependency linked
[18:02] <lazyPower> but thats personal preference. it makes the review go much faster as concerns are isolated and I know that i'm making an isolated change
[18:02] <lazyPower> it took me a while to grokk launchpad and how it does that - but stub quickly educated me in that realm
[18:02] <hatch> so if I pushed 3 updates, would there be three items in the queue or would it get consolidated into one?
[18:02] <lazyPower> it would be 3 items
[18:03] <hatch> and you don't mind the noise
[18:03] <hatch> I suppose it does make the reviews faster
[18:03] <hatch> but more frequent
[18:04] <lazyPower> yeah, i dont mind the noise. if you have dependency linked changes - it may cause failures in CI if they are dependent on teh functionality landing - so ymmv
[18:04] <hatch> gotcha - I'll stop queuing them up in GH :)
[18:10]  * mbruzek returns from lunch.
[18:10]  * mbruzek reads scroll back to see what bus he was thrown under.
[18:11] <hatch> just a school bus
[18:11] <mbruzek> hatch: I I was working on a bundle's documentation when I asked about the quickstart stuff.
[18:11] <hatch> nothing too bug
[18:11] <hatch> big
[18:11] <hatch> ohh
[18:11] <hatch> well then!
[18:13] <mbruzek> Hey hatch. I hosted a Ubuntu Global Jam for Minnesota and we found a few bugs over the weekend on jujucharms.com.  I could not remember where to create the bug so I just did it on launchpad.
[18:13] <mbruzek> Since getting to work today lazyPower has set me straight that you would like those bugs in github
[18:14] <mbruzek> Do I need to copy them over or do you see the two that I created this weekend about "no author"
[18:14] <hatch> no problem - I pointed them out to the peeps in standup this morning
[18:14] <hatch> thanks for those
[18:14] <lazyPower> hatch: wait until you get the bill ;)
[18:15] <mbruzek> I suspect those could be the way the charm was pushed, to the repository.  If you need something done from a charmer side ... please ping lazyPower
[18:15] <hatch> uhh yeah...sent those to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:15] <hatch> :P
[18:15] <hatch> haha
[18:15] <lazyPower> hatch: funny, i have dev.null aliased to fromanegg.com
[18:15] <lazyPower> \o/
[18:15] <hatch> lol
[18:15] <hatch> haha
[18:15] <hatch> so that's why I'm getting all this spam
[18:16]  * lazyPower whistles
[18:20] <hatch> ermahgerd so much documentation kadams54-away
[18:20] <hatch> :)
[18:24] <hatch> kadams54-away: review done
[18:28] <lazyPower> hatch: just shot the email @ the list. feel free to reign fire down upon my plans
[19:19] <hatch> lazyPower: email looks good to me
[19:19] <hatch> :)
[21:09] <kadams54> hatch: thanks for the docs review. Yeah, there's still undocumented stuff… and I really should update to use doctests… and then there's API docs to generate… *sigh*
[21:10] <hatch> haha - docs are hard work for sure
[21:59] <huwshimi> Morning