[04:13] <xu-irc16w> hello, does anyone know how to type in chinese input
[04:13] <xu-irc16w> on xubuntu
[05:05] <xu-irc16w> ok
[17:16] <militantorc> did anyone else receive a dcc from someone
[17:20] <Kuschelpony> not here
[17:31] <arraybolt3> Didn't notice one here.
[17:34] <xu-help52w> Hi everyone! What is the best way to prepare a USB stick with Xubuntu using Windows 11? I've just got a new laptop with Windows 11 and have a spare USB stick. Is there a manual about doing this?
[17:35] <arraybolt3> xu-help52w: I'd just use balenaEtcher.
[17:36] <arraybolt3> https://www.balena.io/etcher
[17:41] <xu-help52w> Thank you a lot!
[17:41] <xu-help52w> I was somewhat cautios about using third party software for this because of risk to get malware on it, so hoped that there is a native way in Windows to do this. But, on the other hand, it might be easier to install Xubuntu using the stick prepared by the flasher and then make a new stick using BASH in it.
[18:05] <arraybolt3> xu-help52w: balenaEtcher is recommended by the developers of Kubuntu, so I think it's safe to say that it isn't malicious as long as you download the official binary.
[18:05] <arraybolt3> Also it's open-source.
[18:06] <xu-help52w> Thank you for this clarification! If it is recommended, it should indeed be safe.
[18:06] <arraybolt3> I use it on my Linux machine even, since it also checks the USB stick after writing it, something that a plain old "dd" under Linux doesn't do.
[20:18] <mitsubachi> Hey uh
[20:18] <mitsubachi> in the last hour or two my xubuntu lunar box stopped showing bluetooth in the status bar
[20:18] <mitsubachi> it disappered without a reboot
[20:18] <mitsubachi> and a reboot didn't bring it back
[20:18] <mitsubachi> did something change?


[01:19] <brianmarsh> ?
[06:26] <mihir> dpm: Good morning
[06:26] <dpm> morning mihir
[06:27] <mihir> dpm: the other icons were used from SDK so i thought it has been included.
[06:27] <mihir> dpm: i'll include the package and will update the MR again.
[06:27] <dpm> mihir, awesome, thanks!
[06:28] <dpm> yeah, the issue is that on the phone the icons package is installed by default, but not on the desktop
[06:29] <mihir> dpm: gotcha , i'll push separate MR with that update.
[06:29] <dpm> so those who don't have the package installed will see either no icon or (if there is one for the same action) an icon from another theme
[06:29] <dpm> sounds good!
[06:29] <mihir> dpm: also , if you get some time to test this MR on device , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1297739
[06:31] <dpm> mihir, I'll see if I can give it a go, thanks. I'm preparing sessions for UOS today, so it might take me a until tomorrow, but I'll have a look
[06:31] <mihir> dpm: no issues :)
[07:23] <kalikiana> popey: re bug 1247865 the branch was pending review for a while and at some point broke in a staging merge which I had no time to investigate
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ferris Bueller Day! :-D
[08:37] <nik90> JamesTait: ooh awesome
[09:02] <justCarakas> JamesTait: who is that ? :p
[09:02] <JamesTait> justCarakas, oh just some guy. ;)
[09:03] <justCarakas> i have the feeling I'm missing something :p
[09:04] <popey> justCarakas: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091042/
[09:04] <popey> "11 June 1986 (USA)"
[09:05] <justCarakas> would it be worthy of my time to watch ? :p
[09:08] <JamesTait> justCarakas, I haven't watched it for a while (shame on me!) but I'd say yes. :)
[09:12] <justCarakas> oke, I'll take your word for it JamesTait :D
[09:13] <popey> maybe watch the 87 films above it on the Empire Top 500 films list first? http://www.imdb.com/list/ls003073623/
[09:13] <JamesTait> justCarakas, I consider it a classic, but then maybe it was just released at the right time in my life for me to appreciate it. ;)
[09:13] <popey> +1
[09:13] <justCarakas> hehe :p
[10:15] <dpm> hi rpadovani, in Reminders, do you happen to know if we always use a web view to display notes? I mean regardless of whether they contain HTML or not
[10:16] <rpadovani> hi dpm, if I understand the code well, yes. Every note is in the webview. But ask to mzanetti (He isn't online? weird!) to be sure :-)
[10:20] <dpm> ok, thanks rpadovani!
[10:22] <dpm> oSoMoN, so I'm testing Reminders on the x86 emulator for a demo for UOS today, and I've noticed that on x86 all notes appear black. We're still using the "old" (non-Oxide) UbuntuWebView, do you think this could be the cause of the issues?
[10:50] <oSoMoN> dpm, hey, sorry my connection is having hiccups, have you figured out the issue with Reminders on the emulator?
[10:52] <dpm> oSoMoN, no worries. Not really, I'm a bit puzzled by it. That's on image 71
[10:54] <oSoMoN> dpm, and it works on a device, right?
[11:09] <dpm> oSoMoN, it does work on the device, yes
[11:10] <dpm> although on the device I've got image 76 (vs 71 on the emulator)
[11:49] <oSoMoN> dpm, I’m trying to add an evernote online account to test, and I just created a dummy evernote account for this, but apparently my credentials are no good for the online account, do I need a special account?
[11:51] <dpm> oSoMoN, you'll need a free developer account from sandbox.evernote.com. We've not switched on regular Evernote accounts in the app yet
[11:52] <oSoMoN> ah, ok
[12:08] <kalikiana> elopio: if you can, please see if you can prioritize this one https://code.launchpad.net/~nuclearbob/autopilot/set-process-on-proxy/+merge/222395
[12:09] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: hi, have a minute for some questions about video playback ?
[12:47] <nerochiaro> dpm: hi, i was wondering if you can help me out a bit with bug 1318008
[12:47] <nerochiaro> bug 1318008
[12:47] <nerochiaro> ok no bots around today
[12:48] <nerochiaro> dpm: "Core apps .desktop files do not include translated strings "
[12:48] <dpm> nerochiaro, sure, what bit do you need help with?
[12:48] <nerochiaro> too late ubot5 :P
[12:48] <dpm> ha, bug bot being a bit slow today :)
[12:48] <dpm> have you checked the example branches of the other apps linked to in the bug?
[12:50] <nerochiaro> dpm: yes, i think i can get most of the info from there. but I don't understand how to update the translation files so that they get the new strings from the .desktop.in.in
[12:52] <dpm> nerochiaro, a regular build should do it. What we tend to do to as an easy way to update and commit the .pot file is to run 'click-buddy --dir . --no-clean', then we copy over the generated .pot file from the build dir that click-buddy outputs, and we commit that. You'll need to do that too, but that's not really your question, just mentioning it :)
[12:52] <dpm> but to answer your question, as part of the build intltool-merge does the merging of the translations in the final .desktop file already
[12:53] <dpm> oh, actually, I think the first part answer your question, then :)
[12:53] <dpm> you can have a look at the README.translations file of one of those apps with branches in the bug
[12:54] <dpm> nerochiaro, and finally, you'll need to remove the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain key from the .in.in file. That's not done in those MPs, but it was solved in a separate bug
[12:55] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: sure
[12:55] <nerochiaro> dpm: ok, i'll try to do this and put out a branch, then send it to you and we figure out the rest
[12:55] <dpm> ok, cool
[12:55] <dpm> nerochiaro, I'd also suggest starting with an app that's shipped as a .click
[12:56] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: basically there are cases when i don't seem to be getting a signal when a video plays until EOF. normally I get a stopped signal, but the second or more time i reach the end of a video i don't get it. I tried to follow it down through qtmultimedia and I get to the point when I see there are events coming up from something called JMediaPlayer but I don't know where to get the sources of that
[12:57] <nerochiaro> dpm: i'll try gallery. it's a click now though it started as native. not sure if it's the best example thoug
[12:57] <dpm> ok
[13:01] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: need anything still?
[13:02] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: my network is shit today. I thought i had sent you a reply. let me paste it again
[13:02] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: basically there are cases when i don't seem to be getting a signal when a video plays until EOF. normally I get a stopped signal, but the second or more time i reach the end of a video i don't get it. I tried to follow it down through qtmultimedia and I get to the point when I see there are events coming up from something called JMediaPlayer but I don't know where to get the sources of that
[13:02] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: received that ?
[13:02] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: on the device, right?
[13:02] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: yes, on the nexus 4
[13:02] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: desktop works ok
[13:05] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: I'll be back in a few mins, gotta walk my dog before the rain comes
[13:05] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: no worries
[13:05] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i'll try to fix my network in the meantime
[13:10] <elopio> kalikiana: I will talk to the autopilot guys to get that branch landed.
[13:32] <kalikiana> elopio: awesome, much appreciated!
[13:40] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: back
[13:45] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok. so basically i'm trying to dig as deep as possible to see if there's any reason why we don't get that signal but below qtmultimedia I'm not sure how to proceed
[13:47] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: yeah that's odd, it's media-hub that issues the EndOfMedia signal
[13:47] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: you could tail -f ~/.cache/upstart/media-hub.log
[13:47] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: that's not what i see in qtmultimedia
[13:48] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i don't see it using mediahub
[13:48] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: it should be, otherwise it couldn't be playing video
[13:49] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i'm looking at the "android" plugin. maybe it's the wrong plugin ?
[13:49] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: what do you mean by the android plugin?
[13:50] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: qtmultimedia has plugins, on desktop it uses the gstreamer one, on device it uses the one called android, no ?
[13:50] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: it uses qtubuntu-media, which I also wrote
[13:51] <jhodapp> qtubuntu-media calls into media-hub
[13:51] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: wait, so to playback video we don't use qtmultimedia at all ?
[13:51] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: only for the QML MediaPlayer class, that's it
[13:52] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i'm lost. i'm looking at gallery-app. to play videos it uses the Video component from the SDK, which in turn uses MediaPlayer and VideoOutput from qtmultimedia
[13:53] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: if it's supposed to use something else let me know :)
[13:54] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: yes that's right, but under those classes it calls into qtubuntu-media (a QtMultimedia) plugin
[13:55] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: it's not, only what I described
[13:56] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: got. but that plugin is not distributed as part of qtmultimedia iteself. so where does it come from ?
[13:58] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: it's a seeded package for Touch called qtubuntu-media
[14:04] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: does that help or just confuse more?
[14:05] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i need a branch I can look at, I think :)
[14:07] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: lp:qtubuntu-media
[14:16] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, i'll dit into that. you make and make install it on the device ?
[14:17] <jhodapp> nerochiaro: yes, or debuild
[14:56] <oSoMoN> dpm: I’m having trouble getting the emulator to run at all on my laptop, it takes an awful amount of time to boot, and actually never seems to finish booting (it was working when I tested it a month ago or so, but not anymore)
[14:57] <oSoMoN> (still trying to help you with the reminders issue on emulator, if that’s still needed)
[14:58] <nik90> oSoMoN: are you using the armhf or the x86 emulator?
[14:58] <nik90> the x86 emulator is really fast...boots in less than 15 secs on my laptop
[14:59] <oSoMoN> nik90, tried both, and I’m seeing the same issues with both
[15:00] <nik90> oSoMoN: hmm I am not sure why that happens..have you talked to rsalvetti?
[15:00] <oSoMoN> no, not yet
[15:00] <dpm> oSoMoN, thanks a lot, I appreciate it. It's not urgent now, don't worry
[15:01] <oSoMoN> dpm: hopefully we release a new version of oxide this week, and you guys can switch to version 0.2 of the WebView API that uses oxide (not that it will fix the underlying issue, but we want to deprecate QtWebKit anyway)
[15:31] <om26er> bfiller, Hi!
[15:32] <om26er> bfiller, is the notes-app still candidate to be shipped on touch ?
[15:32] <bfiller> om26er: not that will be getting removed
[15:32] <bfiller> in favor of reminders
[15:32] <om26er> bfiller, ok, that saves me time. thx :)
[15:32] <bfiller> om26er: np
[16:16] <nerochiaro> dpm: can you please have a look at this and see if it's what you had in mind ? lp:~phablet-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-desktop-translations
[16:17] <nerochiaro> dpm: it seems to generate a .desktop file with the translations inside, so that part works
[16:17] <nerochiaro> dpm: but i'm not sure if i messed up something else in the process
[16:19] <nerochiaro> dpm: also just cmake . && make will not update the po files and 'click-buddy --dir . --no-clean' tells me no rule to make target "install"
[16:20] <dpm> nerochiaro, from a quick glance, it looks good to me, but you might want to change the keywords in the *.desktop.in.in file :)
[16:20] <dpm> _Keywords=math;addition;subtraction;multiplication;division;
[16:21] <dpm> unless you're developing a very multipurpose Gallery app ;)
[16:31] <nerochiaro> dpm: oh, right :) the gallery didn't have keywords
[16:31] <nerochiaro> dpm: not sure if should remove keywords or make some up
[16:32] <nerochiaro> dpm: what about updating the po files ?
[16:33] <dpm> nerochiaro, you shouldn't be updating PO files, Launchpad takes care of that. The only thing that needs updating is the .pot file, and I'm trying to set up my system to build gallery to check the cmake rules
[16:33] <dpm> I've got it running on qt creator,
[16:33] <dpm> but click-buddy does not seem to take the --arch armhf parameter for some reason
[16:34] <dpm> well, it takes it, but it does not find the corresponding chroot
[16:34] <dpm> ah, I need to specify the Ubuntu series
[16:34] <dpm> my chroot is utopic and my system is trusty
[16:40] <nerochiaro> dpm: any way to do things from cmd line. I always get in trouble when i try to do stuff with qtcreator, you're never sure of what it's doing
[16:40] <dpm> nerochiaro, I'm getting: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7629407/
[16:40] <nerochiaro> dpm: i generally build the click on the device
[16:40] <nerochiaro> dpm: if i could do that, then what would i need to copy back ?
[16:41] <nerochiaro> dpm: the pot file ?
[16:41] <dpm> nerochiaro, yes, so essentially you either do a full build or you execute the cmake rule to update the pot file, and then you commit the updated .pot file to the source tree
[16:42] <nerochiaro> dpm: ok, let me try this last one
[16:44] <dpm> ok
[17:08] <nerochiaro> dpm: i just built the click with click buddy on the device but it doesn't seem to generate any .pot file in the armhf-build dir
[17:10] <dpm> nerochiaro, on the top CMakeLists.txt file, this does not look quite right to me:
[17:10] <dpm> file(GLOB_RECURSE I18N_SRC_FILES
[17:10] <dpm>      RELATIVE ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/po
[17:10] <dpm>      rc/**.qml)
[17:11] <dpm> it doesn't seem to me that it's looking for files with translatable strings in the right location
[17:12] <renato> nik90, popey , could you guys help me to test this eds package with the clock and calendar app
[17:12] <renato> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-012/
[17:12] <dpm> nerochiaro, and on po/CMakeLists.txt, there is an ALL missing in add_custom_target(${POT_FILE}
[17:12] <renato> check if everything still working :D
[17:12] <dpm> nerochiaro, actually, could you submit a MP? It'd make reviewing a bit easier
[17:22] <nerochiaro> dpm: should it look into the desktop/ directory too ?
[17:22] <nerochiaro> dpm: when looking for translatable strings
[17:22] <nerochiaro> dpm: i think the po/ dir is something it should not look into, you're right
[17:22] <dpm> nerochiaro, it already does, doesn't it?
[17:23] <nik90> renato: I will try to test it tonight, but what exactly do you want me to test?
[17:23] <dpm> nerochiaro, no, what I mean is that the 3rd line is wrong
[17:23] <nik90> renato: anything in particular or just see if anything regressed?
[17:23] <dpm> nerochiaro,       rc/**.qml)
[17:23] <nerochiaro> dpm: why ? that's where the qml files are
[17:23] <nerochiaro> the rc dir
[17:24] <dpm> nerochiaro, ah, you're right, ignore the comment, then. I thought the qml files were under src
[17:24] <renato> nik90, just check if there is no regression
[17:24] <nerochiaro> dpm: that's c++, but what about the desktop dir, shouldn't it be included in there somehow ?
[17:25] <nik90> renato: ack
[17:25] <renato> nik90, most of the fixes is related with calendar app
[17:25] <dpm> nerochiaro, that's what 'list(APPEND I18N_SRC_FILES desktop/${DESKTOP_FILE}.in.in.h)' does already
[17:25] <nik90> renato: ok. I will test with the clock app. For the calendar, I will let popey test since I haven't used calendar for some time now.
[17:26] <nerochiaro> dpm: ah ok, so with the addition of the ALL rule we should be able to update the .pot ?
[17:26] <nerochiaro> dpm: (submitting an MR)
[17:26] <dpm> nerochiaro, yeah, I think that should fix it
[17:26] <dpm> I think right now you'd have to explicitly call the .pot file rule
[17:30] <nerochiaro> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-desktop-translations/+merge/222847 , trying to see if ALL fixes it
[17:30] <dpm> ok, cool
[17:41] <nerochiaro> dpm: there were a few more broken rules but i fixed them (i think) and used make gallery-app.pot to regenerate the pot file. the MR should have these changes now
[17:41] <nerochiaro> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-desktop-translations/+merge/222847
[17:41] <dpm> awesome
[17:46] <dpm> nerochiaro, ok, reviewed and commented on the MP
[18:01] <popey> nik90: / renato i can test later, am afk right now, will be back in a few hours
[20:47] <renato> nik90, hi, is the eds package working well?
[20:49] <renato> popey, did you have a chance to test the package?
[21:32] <ComputerMaster> Hello
[21:33] <daker> popey: for bug #1322121
[21:34] <ComputerMaster> Any one there?
[21:35] <ComputerMaster> ubot5
[21:35] <ComputerMaster> the fu.ck
[21:36] <ComputerMaster> booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:36] <ComputerMaster> fu,cking retards say something
[21:37] <ComputerMaster> oi bit.ches
[21:37] <ComputerMaster> lol
[21:38] <ComputerMaster> fu.ck this im out
[21:38] <ComputerMaster> hay jono
[21:39] <jono> hey ComputerMaster :-)
[21:39] <ComputerMaster> was up man
[21:40] <popey> renato: not yet, just stepped in the door. got a link?
[21:41] <ComputerMaster> can any one tell me what this is?
[21:41] <renato> popey, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-012/
[21:41] <popey> thanks renato
[21:41] <ComputerMaster> jono
[21:42] <popey> renato: what specifically am I testing for?
[21:42] <renato> popey, check if the app still running without regression
[21:42] <popey> renato: just calendar, not clock?
[21:42] <ComputerMaster> hay wtf
[21:42] <ComputerMaster> asnwer me
[21:43] <popey> ComputerMaster: what? you haven't asked anything
[21:43] <ComputerMaster> what is this program?
[21:43] <popey> What is what program?
[21:43] <ComputerMaster> this where we are hcatting
[21:43] <ComputerMaster> chatting*
[21:43] <popey> this is irc.
[21:44] <ComputerMaster> whats irc?
[21:44] <popey> !irc
[21:44] <ComputerMaster> who cares about guide lines, what do we do here?
[21:45] <popey> We discuss development of Ubuntu apps
[21:45] <ComputerMaster> so you guys work for unubtu?
[21:45] <popey> some do.
[21:45] <ComputerMaster> ununtu*
[21:45] <ComputerMaster> oh ok
[21:46] <ComputerMaster> mind telling me what your using to talk about ubuntu apps?
[21:46] <renato> popey, I asked nik90 to test clock but I think he forgot about that, could you test both?
[21:46] <popey> irssi
[21:46] <ComputerMaster> how your testing the apps?
[21:46] <popey> renato: sure
[21:46] <popey> ComputerMaster: using my fingers
[21:47] <ComputerMaster> the fack you mean using your fingurs...
[21:47] <popey> put the beer down and come back later.
[21:47] <ComputerMaster> i dont drink :)
[21:48] <ComputerMaster> now what are your guys doing and with what programs?
[21:49] <popey> personally, I'm testing Ubuntu apps on a nexus 4 using my fingers to tap icons on the screen and using power of eyesight to determine if things work or not
[21:49] <ComputerMaster> lol
[21:49] <ComputerMaster> how are you testing them?
[21:50] <popey> with my fingers, seriously.
[21:50] <popey> press button, does it do what I expect [yes|no] etc
[21:50] <ComputerMaster> ok i get that, but what is your screen showing?
[21:50] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/gallery.php stuff like that
[21:51] <ComputerMaster> What is that link?
[21:51] <popey> click it and find out
[21:51] <ComputerMaster> no thx
[21:51] <ComputerMaster> im not stupid as i may sound lol
[21:52] <popey> Oh really.
[21:52] <ComputerMaster> yea really
[21:52] <popey> Oh well, never mind then. Good night.
[21:52] <ComputerMaster> lol where are you going?
[21:52] <popey> back to work
[21:52] <ComputerMaster> give up already?
[21:52] <ComputerMaster> tell me how your working
[21:52] <popey> yes, this is no fun.
[21:52] <ComputerMaster> i need to learn
[21:53] <ComputerMaster> come on poopy
[21:53] <ComputerMaster> teach me
[21:53] <ComputerMaster> something
[21:53] <ComputerMaster> about
[21:53] <ComputerMaster> computers
[21:54] <ComputerMaster> poopy
[21:54] <ComputerMaster> come on man
[21:55] <ComputerMaster> ill be your bff
[21:55] <ComputerMaster> lol
[21:55] <ComputerMaster> im out :d
[21:58] <popey> renato: seems good to me.
[21:58] <renato> bfiller, ^^
[21:58] <renato> popey, thanks
[21:58] <popey> takes a while to sync for me
[21:58] <popey> but I have a bazillion events
[21:59] <popey> eds seems to eat cpu
[22:00] <popey> but then it always has


[01:24] <mgw> What options are there for testing Ubuntu Touch on Verizon?
[01:30] <wilee-nilee> mgw, On verizon? I doubt they will support that ask them. I have them a a carrier, what you want to know is the phone usable
[01:30] <wilee-nilee> as*
[01:38] <mgw> wilee-nilee: I mean, what cdma phones have some sort of touch support?
[01:38] <mgw> It seems the official releases do not support cdma
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> mgw, Ah, had not known of this.
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> soundcloud and shorts apps crashing on my nexus7 ubuntu-touch
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> youtune opens, but never plays any sound
[04:48] <xtr-stuff> hello
[04:50] <popey> hi
[04:50] <xtr-stuff> I'm currently trying to port ubuntu touch to the HTC One m7ul using the aosp sources and I'm kinda stuck
[04:51] <popey> might be a good idea to post to the mailing list
[04:51] <popey> it's quiet here right now, and most of the porting experts aren't around for another 6-8 hours
[04:51] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/maillist.html
[04:51] <xtr-stuff> Good to know
[04:51] <xtr-stuff> will do thanks
[04:51] <popey> np
[04:54] <north> rsalveti: Hi. Is the rilmodem implemented as plugin ?
[05:34] <MHB> hi , can any one tell me how to get ubuntu touch on my sensation xl ?! plz
[05:35] <popey> !devices | MHB
[05:35] <popey> MHB: if it's not on ^^ that list, then someone needs to port it
 it on Work in progress list ...
[05:36] <popey> best to contact the person listed (if there is one)
[05:37] <MHB> the person listed said that he stoped to do it , cause the fund out >!
[05:38] <MHB> ok can u help me to do it my self ?! what i need to start >!
[05:40] <popey> see the porting guide linked in the /topic
[06:40] <frecel> Happy monday!
[06:41] <frecel> Can someone try to run terminal? I didn't work for me on r59 and it still doesn't on r60
[07:02] <popey> frecel: terminal runs, but there's a known bug in the toolkit
[07:02] <popey> frecel: open settings (takes a while) then set the font to 12
[07:02] <popey> bug 1322527 is the one
[07:03] <frecel> as in system settings or settings in terminal?
[07:04] <frecel> because when I try to run terminal I just see a white screen for half a second and then I'm back to home
[07:06] <popey> oh, thats different
[08:19] <arlekin> hello there
[08:20] <arlekin> is it possible to install image not exactly specified for device ?
[08:23] <arlekin> anyone here ?
[08:24] <popey> arlekin: hi
[08:24] <popey> arlekin: what device?
[08:24] <arlekin> either galaxy young or galaxy mini
[08:24] <arlekin> hi btw
[08:25] <arlekin> i really wanna try ubuntu touch but these devices seems to be not supported yet
[08:25] <arlekin> and i wonder if that is really that big of a difference
[08:25] <popey> yeah, you need to get someone to port to those devices
[08:25] <popey> I wouldn't try and run an image for another device on one
[08:26] <arlekin> well... shit :/
[08:26] <arlekin> thanks anyway, i guess i just need to be patient
[08:34] <seb128> does anyone know where/how the default font is set on ubuntu touch?
[08:42] <frecel> popey: can't sleep
[08:42] <popey> hah
[08:42] <popey> Thanks for the update! ☻
[08:42] <frecel> popey: that terminal app keeps me awake
[08:42] <frecel> I looked around and there are no logs
[08:42] <popey> yeah, its a toolkit bug
[08:42] <popey> just tap settings, wait, slide font to 12, go back
[08:42] <popey> it should work fine
[08:43] <ogra_> UITK insomnia !
[08:43] <popey> but unfortunately you have to do that each time
[08:43] <frecel> emmm... it wont even let me go to settings
[08:43] <ogra_> eventually it lest you
[08:44] <frecel> I really think we are getting a different bug
[08:44] <frecel> I just see a white screen for half a second and then I'm back to home screen
[08:45] <popey> yes, thats different
[08:46] <popey> and nothing in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart ?
[08:46] <frecel> nothing
[08:47] <frecel> I guess it doesn't even run long enough to log anything
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Rocky Road Day! :-D
[08:48] <popey> hmm
[08:48] <popey> frecel: "dmesg -T" ?
[08:49] <popey> frecel: or try uninstalling and reinstalling it maybe?
[08:49] <frecel> popey: tried uninstalling and installing twice it did nothing
[08:49] <popey> hmmm
[08:49] <popey> anything in /var/log?
[08:52] <frecel> nothing that looks useful
[10:54] <Mirv> didrocks: hey! we're not finding a trace that hud 14.04+14.04.20140528-0ubuntu1 would have been copied from sru-staging to archives. was it something you could check? ie it never went to any of the queues after publishing on Thursday (https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-009-2-publish/23/)
[10:55] <Mirv> sil2100: ^
[10:56] <didrocks> Mirv: I guess you are talking about: ubuntu-unity/sru-staging        Release trusty  Proposed        trusty  hud     14.04+14.04.20140528-0ubuntu1   13.10.1+14.04.20140425-0ubuntu1 robru
[10:56] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, that one
[10:56] <didrocks> I think it got kicked out by the filter, I thought we decided to not use ubuntu-unity/sru-staging anymore?
[10:57] <didrocks> (at least, it prooves that the filter is working :))
[10:57] <Mirv> "yay" \o/ :)
[10:57] <Mirv> maybe sil2100 could then answer that one, especially if it's something discussed last week
[10:57] <didrocks> I can whitelist the ppa if we are continuing to use the ppa for side-tracking SRUs
[10:57] <didrocks> but I think that shouldn't be needed anymore as we don't free up the silo until the publication is done
[10:58] <didrocks> so, keep me posted
[10:58] <Mirv> ok, let's wait a bit for sil to be back. thanks!
[10:59] <didrocks> yw
[10:59] <sil2100> huh?
[10:59] <sil2100> One moment
[10:59] <Mirv> sil2100: no hurry :) read #ci-eng first and then this, I'm just tracking that lost hud
[11:03] <sil2100> Mirv: so, don't worry about that one - we did a republish last week, I'll look into what's happening after lunch
[11:06] <Mirv> sil2100: yes, I think this is the republishing in question now :)
[12:48] <ogra_> Saviq, bug 1325580 for you (or mterry)
[12:48] <ogra_> oops
[12:48]  * ogra_ fixed typo
[12:48] <ogra_> bug 1325580
[12:53] <ogra_> Saviq, and here the debdiff for my pending upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/7572826/
[12:53] <Saviq> ogra_, +1
[12:53] <ogra_> great, uploading
[13:20] <ogra_> Saviq, ARGH !
[13:20] <Saviq> ogra_, ?
[13:20] <ogra_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:20] <ogra_>  dbus-test-runner : Depends: gvfs-backends but it is not going to be installed
[13:20] <ogra_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[13:21] <ogra_> FTBFS
[13:21] <Wellark> boiko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1295762
[13:21] <Wellark> boiko: that unity-notifications MP is now going in
[13:21] <Saviq> ogra_, :|
[13:21] <ogra_> so i guess now we know why it has that dbus-x11 dep :/
[13:21] <Wellark> I've already updated indicator-network dialogs to define that timeout to be std::limits<std::int32_t>::max()
[13:22] <Wellark> same should be done with the incoming call snap decisions at least
[13:22] <Saviq> ogra_, well, sure, but it should be B-D, not D
[13:22] <ogra_> Saviq, right
[13:22] <boiko> Wellark: nice! thanks
[13:22] <Wellark> boiko: not sure what other "do-not-expire" snap decisions we might have
[13:23] <Saviq> ogra_, if it's only for the dbus-test-runner, I mean
[13:23] <ogra_> right
[13:23] <Wellark> boiko: btw, is it a feature that the incoming ringtone plays only once or so?
[13:23] <boiko> Wellark: from the telephony's point of view, I think it is calls and USSD/MMI dialogs
[13:23] <boiko> Wellark: you mean for calls or messages?
[13:23] <Wellark> calls
[13:23] <boiko> Wellark: nope, it should repeat
[13:24] <Wellark> I placed a phone call which I let ring over 1min to test that the snap decision change did not alter the default behavioir
[13:24] <Wellark> and noticed that the incoming call tone stopped playing after a while
[13:24] <Wellark> boiko: wanna bug?
[13:24] <Wellark> or will you file it yourself?
[13:25] <Wellark> boiko: yes, indeed. the USSD/MMI dialogs should not expire ever. as they are not even available from messaging after you close them
[13:25] <boiko> Wellark: let me flash the latest and try it here
[13:25] <Wellark> boiko: sure.
[13:26] <ogra_> Saviq, hmm, not really sure thats related though
[13:26] <Wellark> boiko: btw, should the phone vibrate also when there is an incoming call?
[13:27]  * ogra_ wonders why/how that could build on friday ...
[13:27] <boiko> Wellark: at some point it should, but it is not implemented yet
[13:31] <Saviq> ogra_, indeed
[13:32] <ogra_> i dont see any gvfs change either
[13:32] <ogra_> o gvfs-backends
[13:32] <ogra_> *or
[13:32] <ogra_> there is pittis dbus upload though
[13:33] <ogra_> but that has not migrated yet
[13:35] <Wellark> ogra_: btw, about that indicator-network crash during smoke testing
[13:35] <Wellark> managed to get an actual backtrace today
[13:35] <Wellark> (we should figure out what's wrong with errors.ubuntu.com...)
[13:35] <Wellark> so, the crash actually happens when the -autopilot packages are installed
[13:36] <Wellark> and ofono-phonesim-autostart package gets configured
[13:36] <ogra_> Wellark, bdmurray is working on errors.u.c
[13:36] <Wellark> ok. I have some findings for him
[13:36] <ogra_> that will get fixed soon
[13:36] <ogra_> file bugs (against apport i guess)
[13:36] <ogra_> and tell him or assign him
[13:36] <Wellark> so, pulling in wrong version of libstdc++-dbg ?
[13:36] <Wellark> I'm not sure if it's an apport issue or what
[13:37] <Wellark> I just know what I did manually to get the backtrace :)
[13:37] <Wellark> ogra_: but, anyway. so the crash is actually happening inside dbus-cpp thread that listens for messages from dbus-daemon
[13:38] <Wellark> I'm alerted tvoss, but this might be a tricky one to figure out
[13:41] <kenvandine> cjwatson, is there a way to get stdout/stderr logged for click hooks when they are run from pkcon or the updater?
[13:41] <cjwatson> kenvandine: I think they already are somewhere
[13:41] <cjwatson> kenvandine: should be in the unity-scope-click logs
[13:41] <kenvandine> what about when using pkcon?
[13:41] <cjwatson> oh, directly?
[13:41] <cjwatson> um, not sure
[13:42] <kenvandine> at least that's the case i know mine are failing with :)
[13:42] <cjwatson> I thought that was all just passed straight through
[13:43] <kenvandine> cjwatson, i not sure if it's a problem when updating normally, but when using pkcon to test clicks, the content-hub hook isn't updating the settings
[13:43] <kenvandine> but...
[13:43] <kenvandine> if i run click hook run-user
[13:43] <kenvandine> it does
[13:43] <cjwatson> oh, G_SPAWN_STDOUT_TO_DEV_NULL for click install in pk-plugin-click
[13:43] <ogra_> Saviq, so it seemss teher eis a known issue with dbus-test-runner ... not our fault then, but that makes it impossible to build against the archive (-proposed) currently
[13:43] <cjwatson> but not stderr - are you sure you've tried sending stuff to stderr
[13:43] <cjwatson> ?
[13:43] <kenvandine> error should be going to stderr
[13:43] <kenvandine> i can confirm
[13:43] <cjwatson> stderr is accumulated in pk-plugin-click and should be spat out in any installation failure
[13:44] <Saviq> ogra_, ok, so FTBFS is explained, but the dbus-x11 dep should still just be B-D, right?
[13:44] <ogra_> Saviq, i doubt that ...
[13:44] <ogra_> it wouldnt fix the FTBFS to add such a B-D
[13:44] <kenvandine> cjwatson, no way to override that to get stdout for testing?
[13:44]  * kenvandine would rather avoid a rebuild to debug this :)
[13:44] <cjwatson> kenvandine: one thing that's worth a try is to kill packagekitd and run (IIRC, possibly minor variations) "/usr/lib/packagekit/packagekitd -vv" as root in a separate terminal
[13:44] <ogra_> (unless it still fails later in the build ... )
[13:44] <cjwatson> kenvandine: and then run pkcon against that
[13:44] <kenvandine> ok
[13:45] <kenvandine> thx
[13:45] <cjwatson> I think that should give more detail
[13:45] <cjwatson> certainly what I used when I was writing pk-plugin-click in the first place
[13:45] <Saviq> ogra_, but the "known dbus-test-runner issue" would only explain the FTBFS, right? not the broken test results?
[13:45] <cjwatson> kenvandine: in extremis you can then strace -f packagekitd and search through the trace for things
[13:46] <ogra_> Saviq, right ... dbus-x11 is AP ... dbus-test-runner is the FTBFS
[13:46] <cjwatson> since click will be a child process of that
[13:46] <ogra_> Saviq, and dbus-test-runner cant migrate until libsmbclient is fixed ... thats our issue atm
[13:46] <Saviq> ogra_, kk
[13:47] <ogra_> Saviq, if silos come back soon we could build in there i guess and somehow massage it through ... otherwise we have to wait or fix libsmbclient
[13:47] <Saviq> ogra_, 'stood
[13:48] <ogra_> i shouldnt have said "murphys monday" earlier ... seems that was a self fulfilling prophecy somehow :P
[13:54] <boiko> Wellark: just confirmed here, the ringtone is not repeating itself, would you mind opening a bug for that?
[13:57] <dpm> thanks boiko for the updated dialer, messaging and addressbook uploads, now translations are working fine :)
[13:57] <boiko> dpm: nice! :D
[13:58] <boiko> dpm: did they make it to the image?
[13:58] <dpm> boiko, yes, I can see them all translated on #60
[13:58] <danielbeck_> hello rsalveti. The ubuntu touch emualtor (x86) does not work on my machine. The screen stays black. dpm suggested that I ask you about it.
[13:58] <boiko> dpm: is that the one being used in the expo?
[13:59] <ogra_> danielbeck_, except that rsalveti is on vacation this week ...
[13:59] <danielbeck_> I posted the log when starting the ubuntu touch emulator here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7573163/ .
[13:59] <popey> dpm: slight fail with reminders
[13:59] <danielbeck_> ah, ok ogra_ . Thanks :-)
[13:59] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ phablet-test-run -v reminders
[13:59] <popey> sh: 1: /usr/bin/python: not found
[14:00] <kenvandine> cjwatson, do click installs from the scope and updates from settings all use the packagekit backend?
[14:01] <popey> dpm: cowboy fixed it, but when i run it with python3 it finds no tests...
[14:01] <cjwatson> kenvandine: yes
[14:01]  * popey fiddles
[14:03] <dpm> popey, cool, thanks. Would you mind filing a bug for us to fix it later?
[14:03] <popey> yeah, there's a few bugs here
[14:03] <popey> its a mess
[14:03] <dpm> actually, yes, I remember having issues with python3 and mentioning it in a MP
[14:05] <kenvandine> cjwatson, thx
[14:05] <popey> dpm: yeah, there's missing dependencies here too
[14:11] <Wellark> boiko: so, which component is actually playing the tone?
[14:11] <Wellark> dialer-app ?
[14:11] <boiko> Wellark: telephony-service
[14:12] <Wellark> boiko: ok.
[14:12] <boiko> Wellark: thanks
[14:12] <Wellark> boiko: btw, is telephony-service also the thing that displays the UCCS messages coming from the cellular network?
[14:12] <Wellark> or is it USSC?
[14:14] <boiko> Wellark: you mean USSD? yes, it is telephony-service
[14:15] <Wellark> boiko: sorry for the crappy desccription, but I think you can figure out what the bug is all about :)
[14:15] <Wellark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telephony-service/+bug/1325605
[14:16] <boiko> Wellark: the summary says it all, thanks :)
[14:16] <Wellark> boiko: so, just wondering.. I receive USSD message each time I activate mobile broadband on my prepaid card
[14:16] <Wellark> which basically contains current balance information
[14:16] <oSoMoN> didrocks, hey, I have debian packaging changes in a webbrowser-app branch, do you think you could review them (or point me to someone who can)?
[14:16] <boiko> Wellark: interesting
[14:17] <Wellark> and there is nothing I could do to "act" on it
[14:17] <Wellark> but still the snap decision shows two buttons
[14:17] <Wellark> "Cancel" and "OK" or something
[14:17] <didrocks> oSoMoN: you should just ping on #ubuntu-ci-eng, the guys making reviews should be around there
[14:17] <boiko> Wellark: that's a bug we have on snap decision itself: it is either two buttons or no buttons at all :)
[14:17] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ok, thanks!
[14:17] <didrocks> yw
[14:17] <Wellark> boiko: ok.. let's fix it then :)
[14:18] <Wellark> it's highly confusing
[14:18] <boiko> Wellark: yep, tiago tried to get rid of the second button, but he didn't manage to
[14:28] <kenvandine> cjwatson, so where should stderr be sent?
[14:29] <cjwatson> the packagekitd stderr I think
[14:29] <cjwatson> if not then strace
[14:29] <kenvandine> i see it in strace
[14:55] <Chipaca> I just got a kernel panic inside the emulator -- is this something i should report?
[14:56] <ogra_> Chipaca, yes, but not expect it to be fixed before next week ... ricardo is on vac.
[14:57] <Chipaca> ogra_: i just lost the output because i kneejerked 'reset' when the crash left me with a fubar'ed tty
[14:57] <Chipaca> ogra_: if it happens again, i'll bugreport :)
[14:57] <ogra_> :)
[14:57] <kenvandine> cjwatson, ok... i think i've gotten to the bottom of it, gsettings when run with packagekit :/
[14:57] <kenvandine> 12694 write(2, "\n(process:12691): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY\n", 116) = 116
[14:58] <cjwatson> ah right
[14:58] <cjwatson> I thought there were approaches for dealing with that
[14:58] <cjwatson> maybe just run within dbus-launch or whatever it is?
[14:59] <kenvandine> not sure what's making it use dbus-launch
[14:59] <cjwatson> nothing right now
[14:59] <cjwatson> I'm suggesting dbus-launch as a fix
[14:59] <kenvandine> oh, you mean force it in my hook?
[14:59] <cjwatson> so that it doesn't have to use the autolaunch stuff
[14:59] <cjwatson> yes
[15:00] <kenvandine> can i put that in my .hook file?
[15:00] <kenvandine> like will it take more than just a single string to an executable?
[15:00] <cjwatson> I forget how dbus-launch works
[15:00] <kenvandine> me too :)
[15:00] <cjwatson> I think it's basically just an adverb though
[15:00] <kenvandine> but... i more wondering if i need a wrapper to put in the hook
[15:00] <kenvandine> or if i can just modify the Exec line
[15:01] <cjwatson> I suspect the latter but I'm sure it's fairly easy either way
[15:01] <cjwatson> you might need a wrapper if you want to check whether dbus is already present first
[15:01] <kenvandine> ok, i'll play with it
[15:01] <cjwatson> or you could take the self-exec approach
[15:26] <frecel> I just realized something. On touch the home button is on the bottom of the launcher and on desktop it's on the top, is there reason for that difference?
[15:26] <bfiller> anyone seeing this issue with latest image r60? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1325627
[15:27] <frecel> bfiller: I only have one phone, if you call me I could check :D
[15:32] <pmcgowan> cjwatson, is it correct behavior that when preinstalled apps are updated the phone ends up with two separate copies?
[15:34] <anpok> frecel: hm I believe with ofono-phonesim or ofono-scripts calling 119 and hanging up will make ofono simulate a call
[15:37] <frecel> anpok: doesnt work
[15:39] <frecel> unless it's not runnign
[15:44] <Chipaca> what does “unable to start: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct” mean, in the logs of an upstart service?
[16:00] <cjwatson> pmcgowan: yes; it's not possible to remove the preinstalled version since it's on the read-only FS
[16:00] <cjwatson> pmcgowan: and this way it makes it easy to revert to the factory version
[16:01] <pmcgowan> cjwatson, I see thanks
[17:13] <Chipaca> there seems to be a bit of a memory leak in unity8, at least in the x86/devel thing
[17:14] <Chipaca> with me doing nothing it's gone from ~20% of 1g to ~40% in ~10 minutes
[17:15]  * Chipaca kills it as it reaches 50%
[17:33] <Chipaca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1325660
[18:28] <slangasek> anyone know what this error message is about?
[18:28] <slangasek> ~/ubuntu-emulator/test1/.device: no such file or directory
[18:28] <slangasek> this was an instance I created before upgrading ubuntu-emulator
[18:29] <slangasek> did the interfaces change incompatibly?
[18:35] <pmcgowan> elopio, did you set up the dashboard testing when we did the qt 5.2 transition?
[18:49] <Bel_P> I am having an issue where when my grouper device reboots into recovery to install, it does not find the .zip it appears to be looking for.
[18:52] <Bel_P> The recovery appears to be checking for autodeploy.zip , which it does not find.
[19:00] <dobey> Bel_P: grouper is no longer supported
[19:00] <Bel_P> Even on the stable channel?
[19:01] <dobey> well, ubuntu-device-flash --channel stable should work, but it's just a last release, not actually supported. there will never be any updates for it. and it doesn't work very well.
[19:03] <Bel_P> I see. Thanks for the info dobey. What was the reason for the deprecation?
[19:03] <dobey> the hardware
[19:04] <dobey> because it's a tegra
[19:04] <Bel_P> Oh - so the same reason that the Xoom was never supported.
[19:04] <ogra_> well, the hardware per-se would be fine if there were supportable drivers
[19:14] <Bel_P> Thanks for the info. Maybe I will try again if I replace the grouper.
[19:31] <Chipaca> there seems to be breakage in the archive making some packages i need for dev be uninstallable on arm (or at least on the phone)
[19:31] <Chipaca> in particular i can't install libubuntuoneauth-2.0-dev
[19:31] <ogra_> Chipaca, yes, it is being worked on
[19:31] <ogra_> oh
[19:31] <ogra_> thats a new one
[19:31] <ogra_> probably not related then
[19:31] <Chipaca> boils down to qt5
[19:32] <Chipaca> it needs libqt5gui5, and installing that would remove libqt5gui5-gles and ubuntu-touch
[19:33] <Chipaca> maybe libqt5gui5-gles should provide libqt5gui5?
[19:33] <ogra_> Mirv, ^^ ?
[19:34] <ogra_> Chipaca, i think it is more likely that libqt5gui5-gles hasnt been rebuilt after a change in libqt5gui5
[19:34] <Chipaca> ogra_: ok :)
[19:35] <ogra_> Mirv and rsalveti usually handle that ...
[19:35] <ogra_> but ricardo is off this week
[19:35] <Chipaca> I keep on thinking i should've taken this week off :)
[19:36] <ogra_> haha
[19:36]  * ogra_ wouldnt mind striking this day off his mind as well ... not necessarily the whole week though
[19:36] <ogra_> there is hope :)
[19:38] <Chipaca> you say that, but the delta between where i'm developing and what's on a released image just keeps growing :(
[20:05] <slangasek> Chipaca: that seems like something we should be able to fix quickly for you.  But why do you need libqt5gui5-gles on the phone?  The ABI between this and libqt5gui5 is identical on arm, and libqt5gui5 is the one we should still be installing on the phone AIUI
[20:13] <ogra_> slangasek, i wonder if we should even build the -gles packages on arm at all
[20:13] <ogra_> doesnt seem necessary
[20:13] <slangasek> yes, we should transition arm to be the same as x86.
[20:13] <ogra_> that wont work since we need both on x86
[20:13] <slangasek> that's not what I said
[20:13] <ogra_> (both graphical backends)
[20:14] <ogra_> oh. you mean simgle source package ?
[20:14] <ogra_> *single
[20:15] <slangasek> no, I'm saying that what we're doing on x86 is what we should *also* be doing on arm, including using the -gles variants for the touch builds
[20:15] <ogra_> ah
[20:15] <slangasek> but we haven't made that change *yet*, so -gles should not be pulled in on arm
[20:15] <ogra_> well, as i understood Qt5.3 is supposed to be able to do runtime selection
[20:16] <ogra_> so that whole mess could be dropped then
[20:19] <slangasek> ogra_: right, that remains to be proven
[20:20] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[20:36] <Chipaca> slangasek: *i* don't need libqt5gui5-gles on the phone :)
[20:36] <Chipaca> slangasek: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7575571/
[20:37] <ogra_> Chipaca, the emulator needs it
[20:37]  * Chipaca kills the emulator with fire and ^C
[20:38] <slangasek> Chipaca: are you on a phone, or are you on the i386 emulator image?
[20:38] <Chipaca> slangasek: x86 emulator
[20:38] <slangasek> oh
[20:38] <slangasek> see, you didn't say that ;)
[20:39] <slangasek> ok, so libubuntuoneauth-2.0-dev probably needs updating to depend on qtbase5-dev | qtbase5-gles-dev
[20:41] <ogra_> yippieee !!!!
[20:41] <ogra_> FINALLY !!!!!
[20:42] <Chipaca> ogra_: ...?
[20:42] <ogra_> so this were 11h to get a single broken dep removed from the image
[20:42] <Chipaca> :)
[20:43] <ogra_> and the *only* piece of infrastructure that didnt cause any issues in the process was actually system-image ... everything else caused hour long issue resolutions ...
[20:43]  * ogra_ takes a deep (very deep) bow in front of stgraber
[20:44] <Tassadar> hmm, is he here?
[20:44] <Tassadar> stgraber: ping!
[20:44] <ogra_> AP tests ... silos ... FTBFS due to wiggly proposed deps ... then the image build ... and even the isotracker page to trigger the image build ...
[20:46] <stgraber> Tassadar: sort of, I'm on IRC but dealing with quite a few other problems at the moment :)
[20:47] <Tassadar> stgraber: I just wanna make sure you seen this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1286542/comments/7 (it's about s-i-server and that wrong delta with same file as other delta that happened when you were on a vacation)
[20:49] <stgraber> Tassadar: oh, crap, that makes sense indeed. Hmm, so the problem is that there's no sane way to know whether we still have broken files on the fs (inverted source/destination).
[20:51] <Tassadar> I was hoping that the wrong code was so long ago that you can remove that workaround now. Well, it's something you'll have to keep in mind then, because it is gonna happen next time you'll need to revert to an older image
[20:52] <Tassadar> (if it's only over one version, like 1 -> 2 -> 1again)
[20:53] <stgraber> ok, let's check if we have any file dating before 2013-10-03 on disk
[20:56] <stgraber> the two oldest files on disk date of the 3rd of October so I think it's safe to drop. Worst case scenario, the diff will just be re-generated so that'd just waste a bit of cpu and disk space instead of producing invalid index
[20:56] <Tassadar> cool
[21:03] <stgraber> Tassadar: compatibility code dropped and branch updated on the production server
[21:05] <Tassadar> k, I disabled it on mine when I found out about it
[21:18] <adnap> Is Ubuntu for the Nexus 7 more limited than desktop Ubunutu? Could I change my window manager, for example?
[21:34] <Chipaca> adnap: no
[21:34] <Chipaca> adnap: to both your questions
[22:01] <frecel> Just found the best bluetooth bug :D
[22:02] <frecel> popey: what project should I report bluetooth bugs to
[22:02] <frecel> ?
[22:05] <popey> frecel: what kind of bug?
[22:06] <Shiggity> rsalveti, hello...
[22:07] <ogra_> Shiggity, he is out this week
[22:07] <frecel> popey:  I connected my bluetooth handsfree set from my car and the connection to the headset drops when I make a phonecall and it reconects as soon as the call stops
[22:07] <Shiggity> ogra_, ah
[22:07] <Shiggity> ogra*
[22:07] <frecel> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluetooth-touch is that the right one?
[22:08] <Shiggity> ogra_, any progress on the UT port for the Nexus 5?
[22:08] <ogra_> i doubt that
[22:09] <Shiggity> :\
[22:09] <Tassadar> it's gonna start showing correct battery % in status bar once the patches in gerrit are merged
[22:09] <Tassadar> ^^
[22:11] <popey> frecel: not sure, cyphermox would know better
[22:13] <popey> frecel: gonna re-submit your app? ☻
[22:13] <frecel> yes, I forgot about that
[22:13] <frecel> framework 14.04-dev1 security policy 1.2 right?
[22:14] <popey> ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1 & 1.1
[22:55] <slangasek> Chipaca: ubuntuone-credentials uploaded, should be coinstallable with touch once that lands in utopic
[22:55] <Chipaca> slangasek: thanks