[00:18] <yofel> bug 1117365
[00:20] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[00:20] <apachelogger> no backtrace
[00:20] <apachelogger> also I think a user installed plasmoid is broken
[00:20] <apachelogger> triggering a bug in plasma
[01:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't we fix bug 1086840 like ages ago?
[04:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: We did, but then it came back.
[05:04] <Mirv> Riddell: ok
[05:23] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1077196] klipper does not save contents from closed windows @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1077196 (by ill)
[06:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[07:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think we should put that in the experimental PPA for all Kubuntu Devs to try out
[07:03] <shadeslayer> btw digikam was tagged
[07:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: trololol
[07:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no revisions pushed to bzf
[07:07] <shadeslayer> *bzr
[07:09] <shadeslayer> afiestas: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/scratch-master/view/head:/src/lib/accountmodel.cpp#L34 , synchronous dbus calls?
[08:40]  * popey tickles Riddell with bug 1117895
[08:51] <shadeslayer> popey: mmm ... requires a test build on armhf
[09:04] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[09:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: good evening
[09:05] <shadeslayer> hi
[09:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why does it require a test build on arm specifically?
[09:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm I've a feeling I might have done a workaround for bug 1086840 rather than a fix
[09:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because cmake doesn't find opengles
[09:30] <shadeslayer> and there's a patch for that
[09:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/666638/
[09:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so .. can't be sync'd , needs merging :)
[09:42] <popey> ☹
[09:43] <shadeslayer> should be easy enough
[09:44] <yofel_> one should add a notifcation helper hook in kdenlive that installs the libav extra plugins
[09:44] <yofel_> it's kinda useless without most of the encoders
[09:45] <yofel> good morning btw. :)
[09:46] <shadeslayer> hey yofel :)
[09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plasma-mobile is still stuck in proposed
[09:49] <shadeslayer> any ideas why?
[09:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope but we hvae load of stuff stuck in proposed today
[09:54] <shadeslayer> well
[09:54] <shadeslayer> plasma-mobile was uploaded quite some time ago
[09:54] <shadeslayer> and I thought it was stuck because of declarative-plasmoids
[09:54] <shadeslayer> but since that's been uploaded ....
[09:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: a problem in kubuntu-active which depends on language-selector-kde which no longer exists
[09:55] <Riddell> I fixed that
[09:55] <Riddell> but there's another issue with kubuntu-meta on powerpc
[09:56] <shadeslayer> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/raring_probs.html
[09:56] <shadeslayer> nothing there too
[09:57] <Riddell> out of date on powerpc: kubuntu-active, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full (from 1.267)
[09:57] <Riddell> really, there's your problem
[09:58] <shadeslayer> oh ... uh ... okay
[09:58] <shadeslayer> where did you find that?
[09:58] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[09:59] <shadeslayer> ahh
[09:59] <Riddell> you can follow the logic a bit through http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[09:59] <shadeslayer> I was looking at the wrong file
[10:12] <Riddell> ug "Start in 20 hours" powerpc needs to be dropped
[10:16] <shadeslayer> heh, it's community supported
[10:16] <shadeslayer> for them old Macbook Pro's
[10:18] <Riddell> but with the new -proposed system it affects everyone
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: hooray for workarounds :P
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, I thought I had pushed
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope
[10:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but yeah, I also was expecting it to go into experimental
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah makes sense imho
[10:42] <shadeslayer> while you're pushing, why not setup the recipe as well
[10:42] <shadeslayer> so I can continue looking at GObject introspection and QMetaObject
[10:43] <apachelogger> hm
[10:43] <apachelogger> can't push
[10:43] <apachelogger> don't have my key with me
[10:44] <shadeslayer> push it later on this evening then, I don't think there's a huge rush at the moment
[10:44] <apachelogger> right now checking if perhaps it got autosynced to laptop
[10:44] <shadeslayer> mm okay
[10:46] <apachelogger> not synced
[10:46] <apachelogger> will have to wait
[10:53] <soee> uhm i reading some posts and see that arch servers were down due to high interest in kde upgrades :)
[10:53] <soee> also kde had some problems ? :>
[10:54] <Mirv> Riddell: FYI going to lunch but Didier noted (L)GPL requires LICENSE files, so I submitted https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,47111 to upstream. the current tarball would be fine with just repackaged and added with those.
[10:54] <Mirv> qtchooser tarball, that is
[10:55] <shadeslayer> soee: heh :)
[10:56] <shadeslayer> too bad launchpad doesn't provide proper statistics
[10:56] <shadeslayer> it does provide *some* statistics
[10:59] <Riddell> Mirv: well spotted
[11:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: it does provide the stats you usually want to know
[11:34] <yofel> the hard part is making them human readable :(
[11:34] <shadeslayer> 2.4G    .cache/telepathy/avatars
[11:34] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:35] <shadeslayer> how big is your cache
[11:35] <yofel> here on this laptop
[11:35] <yofel> 1.2M    /home/yofel/.cache/telepathy/
[11:35] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:35] <shadeslayer> lucky you
[11:36] <yofel>  ~/.launchpadlib/ is also fun sometimes
[11:36] <yofel> at least if you use our scripts often
[11:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47647 < we might want to keep track of that
[11:55] <yofel> just how much does it cache there to reach 2.4G ?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> alot
[11:56] <shadeslayer> I think I saw 10-15 dupes of each avatar
[11:56] <shadeslayer> *atleast*
[11:56] <shadeslayer> but dolphin got super slow
[11:58] <shadeslayer> you probably don't have enough accounts added :P
[11:58] <shadeslayer> I have 4 of them
[11:59] <yofel> yet another unreproducable support request - bug 1118244
[11:59] <Riddell> I have 450MB in there, nasty
[12:05] <Riddell> jr@kubuntu-armhf00:~$ sudo chroot raring/
[12:05] <Riddell> FATAL: kernel too old
[12:06] <Riddell> ScottK: your arm machines are fatal
[12:06] <yofel> did someone backport calligra?
[12:07] <Riddell> yofel: I've got it compiling here
[12:07] <yofel> ok
[12:07] <Riddell> actually just done, compiles without issues
[12:07] <Riddell> I'll put it into backports ppa
[12:07] <Riddell> for quantal
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: chroot? why not just do DIST=raring pbuilder --login ?
[12:24] <yofel> I'm curious whether that will work
[12:25] <Riddell> hum  http://paste.kde.org/666788/  it's using precise
[12:26] <shadeslayer> needs -E
[12:26] <yofel> more like W: /home/jr/.pbuilderrc does not exist
[12:26] <yofel> not sure what the default one looks like
[12:26] <shadeslayer> oh .. uhh
[12:27] <Riddell> yofel: I see you have a .pbuilderrc, did you make that yourself or is there some automated way to do it?
[12:28] <yofel> uh... that was originally copied from somewhere else and then self extended
[12:28] <yofel> hm, /etc/pbuilderrc is really plain
[12:29] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/666806/
[12:29] <shadeslayer> wfm
[12:30] <yofel> well, you probably have a pbuilderrc
[12:30] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:33] <Riddell> bah kde-workspace fail
[12:34] <Riddell> /usr/include/X11/extensions/XInput2.h:173:22: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef unsigned int BarrierEventID'
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, look fiddly
[12:42] <shadeslayer> I'm getting reports that plasma crashes on startup on Quantal
[12:48] <soee> do not scare me :) i just upgraded my work machine :)
[12:49] <shadeslayer> well ... idk
[12:50] <shadeslayer> I've asked for a backtrace
[12:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://blog.krisk.org/2013/02/packets-of-death.html
[12:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: fun read, thanks :D
[12:56] <shadeslayer> it was fun how he debugged it :D
[12:59] <Adityab> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/666830/
[13:01] <shadeslayer> p.k.o froze my brwoser
[13:01] <shadeslayer> *browser
[13:01] <Adityab> heh
[13:02] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/TXmQLNV.png
[13:02] <shadeslayer> I can scroll in the tiny area where the text is visible
[13:02] <Adityab> kde crashes froze some of my ability to work
[13:02] <Adityab> note to self: never do major upgrades when working
[13:02] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Adityab: did you try out any of the RC's?
[13:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've also noticed chromium and firefox freezing, so it's not just rekonq which breaks
[13:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:03] <shadeslayer> oh fun
[13:03] <shadeslayer> I leave the page open and switch to another tab and it goes bonkers
[13:04] <Adityab> shadeslayer: no
[13:04] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:04] <shadeslayer> the new menu stuff seems to be breaking things for you
[13:05] <Adityab> maybe i should simply compile all my kde like in the old days, that way i can easily rollback :S
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ping
[13:05] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw
[13:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I saw calligra was compiling on amd64 in raring
[13:05] <Riddell> and I uploaded it to backports ppa for quantal
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, compiled and succeeded:)
[13:06] <Riddell> yay
[13:06] <smartboyhw> However powerpc is still building:P
[13:06] <Riddell> grr, powerpc is really annoying me
[13:06] <Riddell> it's holding back the whole of 4.10
[13:06]  * yofel passes Riddell a cup of coffee
[13:06] <Riddell> well that and kde-workspace
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[13:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, now.... Any packaging to play?:P
[13:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you could backport calligra to precise
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Adityab: you can still rollback btw
[13:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, k
[13:07] <Riddell> I've no interest in backporting to precise but it seems to be fashionable
[13:07] <smartboyhw> fashionable (LOL)
[13:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you could also test 4.10 on quantal and see if you get the crash Adityab is having
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, er sorry I am on Raring:P
[13:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: that article reminds me a bit of me debugging kile back then. Not as weird an issue, but fun too
[13:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: but on topic, I still blame my t510's hard freezes on ASPM. But turning it off simply isn't an option :/
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Adityab is using Qt5 from the edgers PPA
[13:08] <Riddell> yofel: I had a cup of coffee already, the strong stuff, maybe that's the problem :)
[13:09] <yofel> heh
[13:09] <shadeslayer> this one https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta1
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: umm
[13:09] <shadeslayer> I'm not exactly sure if that would cause issues
[13:09] <Adityab> beta1
[13:09] <yofel> it *shouldn't*
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that /shouldn't/ matter
[13:10] <shadeslayer> right
[13:10] <Riddell> but it has a bad smell about it indeed
[13:10] <Adityab> I added that ppa a long long time ago...
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Adityab: would it be possible to purge that PPA?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> and can you check if you can reproduce the crash with a new user?
[13:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: that's what VM's are for ;)
[13:10] <shadeslayer> so that we can confirm it's not some plasmoid that's causing the crash
[13:10] <Adityab> yeah
[13:10] <Riddell> especially since the crash is in QtScript, maybe some runtime stuff going on there
[13:11]  * Adityab tries both
[13:11] <shadeslayer> try without removing the Qt5 ppa :)
[13:11] <Adityab> shadeslayer: not just some plasmoid, as i said, ksysgyard also crashes
[13:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, you do know my bandwidth isn't great:P
[13:11] <shadeslayer> oh right
[13:11] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: ec2 ftw
[13:11] <yofel> smartboyhw: good point :/
[13:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah ec2 ftw!
[13:11] <shadeslayer> install KDE on quantal on EC2 , upgrade, vnc :D
[13:11] <Adityab> lol
[13:11]  * Adityab logs out
[13:13]  * smartboyhw is creating a pbuilder-dist precise to build on:P
[13:13] <smartboyhw> I mean for calligra backport
[13:14] <Riddell> just ask if you need an ec2
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, probably yes:P
[13:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: precise high cpu?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good choice
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just asking: Where do you put your calligra backport for precise into?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> s/precise/quantal
[13:17] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: should be compiling away in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:20] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that's one of the really expensive ones so run poweroff when you're done
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how does an actual ec2 price from?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: huh?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep
[13:26] <shadeslayer> cheap computing power
[13:26] <smartboyhw> thx
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: $0.085 US an hour for the normal 1 CPU 32 bit ones, this one seems to be $0.69 an hour for 4CPU 64 bit one
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Wow
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you can see a countier in the corner with byobu, green text on grey
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Ooh
[13:28] <Riddell> it's cheap for occational uses like this, it gets very expensive if you leave them on all the time
[13:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, as it turns out: I need credit cards for registration on AWS:P
[13:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I didn't need any changes on quantal so with luck you can compile and it'll just work
[13:32] <Riddell> waa, I can't recreate the kde-workspace failure :(
[13:32] <Riddell> I'll try a rebuild and see if it's fixed itself
[13:32] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: yes, however, the micro instance is free for a year
[13:32] <shadeslayer> they don't charge you
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh
[13:32] <shadeslayer> but you still need a valid credit card
[13:33] <shadeslayer> http://aws.amazon.com/free/
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, which I don't
[13:33] <shadeslayer> hey BluesKaj
[13:33] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: heh :)
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Hiyo BluesKaj
[13:33] <shadeslayer> ask your parents?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> hi shadeslayer, smartboyhw
[13:34] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: but seriously, you don't need to buy your own instance ;)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> as long as it's Kubuntu packaging work Kubuntu can provide instances
[13:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ok
[13:35] <Riddell> I've not tried a micro one, but presumably it's not good enough to compile on
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thought of something: I need to add my GPG key so that I can upload to ppa right?
[13:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah you can either do that but then you need to make sure to kick me off first (and it means trusting amazon which not everyone likes to do)
[13:37] <Riddell> or you can just do debsign -R
[13:37] <Riddell> which is probably more sensible
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait I should use small letter R right?
[13:39] <Riddell> I forget, man debsign  is your friend
[13:39] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:40] <shadeslayer> yep -r
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm do I run debsign -r in my host computer or the ec2?
[14:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: on your local machine
[14:21] <Riddell> it uses scp to download the .changes and .dsc files and signs them and uploads again
[14:24] <Adityab> shadeslayer: Ok, I trashed some plasma and friends' config files and it worked
[14:24] <Adityab> and... no crashes so far
[14:25] <Adityab> but then my firefox freezes completely from time to time
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how come debsign -r wants to sign the key for Kubuntu Developers?
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Ah anyway found a solution
[14:31] <BluesKaj> firefox has been acting up here lately too , freezing up for no apparent reason ..can't find anything in th elogs
[14:33] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I'm finding flash and the plugin-container start chewing up resources until it's at like 98% then the flash plugin crashes and it frees up again.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> genii-around, i removed the alernative flashplugin and went with the libflashplayer.so that used in previous kubuntus and it seems to help
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, now how do I upload calligra from ec2 to ppa? Do I have to kick you out and add gpg key?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta reboot afte rthe big upgrade on 13.04
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Adityab: huzzah
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Adityab: as for FF freezing, same thing with chrome
[14:37] <shadeslayer> on raring
[14:38] <Adityab> oic
[14:50] <soee> libreoffice 4.0 :)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> soee, good news
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, maybe you can help me on the message above?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> hm?
[14:51] <soee> so in the future we might have caligra, libreoffice and ms office :)
[14:51] <shadeslayer> errr whut
[14:51] <shadeslayer> did you export the right variables
[14:51] <shadeslayer> DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME
[14:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no no no I mean how to upload to PPA from ec2:P
[14:51] <smartboyhw> oh?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yes yes
[14:51] <shadeslayer> check the most recent entry in debian/changelog
[14:52] <shadeslayer> what does it say?
[14:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no there is a gpg key issue with that
[14:54] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: make sure your name and email are used in the top most entry and those should be the same as the ones in your GPG key
[14:55] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: can you give me the exact error output?
[14:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, it is. But don't forget, I'm using ec2
[14:55] <smartboyhw> I mean, how to import my gpg key in
[14:55] <shadeslayer> doesn't matter
[14:55] <shadeslayer> you don't need to
[14:55] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> just run debsign -r ubuntu@ec2-address-whatever:~/path/to/source.changes
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Checking signature on .changes
[14:55] <smartboyhw> gpg: Signature made Thu 07 Feb 2013 02:33:22 PM UTC using RSA key ID 079D2C23
[14:55] <smartboyhw> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[14:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I did
[14:56] <shadeslayer> and what does that result in?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> you need to run debsign from your own machine
[14:56] <shadeslayer> not the ec2
[14:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer,  I did
[14:56] <shadeslayer> okay, can you pastebin the error then?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> the whole thing that happens after you run debsign
[14:56] <yofel> smartboyhw: put DEBSIGN_KEYID=2EC0A9FF into ~/.devscripts with *your* key id
[14:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, ok
[14:56] <yofel> that'll force debsign  to use it
[14:57] <yofel> unless debsign -r has some other weird behaviour
[14:57] <shadeslayer> oh ... I thought he said that his name/email was fine in the changelog?
[14:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: does it actually read that when remote signing?
[14:57] <yofel> (no idea)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:57] <yofel> hm
[14:57] <shadeslayer> well
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I can't say for sure
[14:58] <shadeslayer> but it should
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I've never tried without my dot files :D
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Ah anyway, let me upload the -l10n package first
[14:58] <yofel> me neither as I always force my key no matter whose changelog entry it is
[14:58] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:58] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:58] <shadeslayer> "debsign  mimics  the  signing  aspects  (and  bugs) of dpkg-buildpackage(1). "
[14:59] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:59] <yofel> hahaha
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Ah anyway, maybe I should just prepare the package in my host....
[14:59] <smartboyhw> If raring works precise shouldn't not work
[15:00] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: it's generally advised to get comfy with working on remote servers
[15:00] <yofel> uh, precise is quite different from quantal actually
[15:00] <yofel> be careful
[15:00] <yofel> but then again
[15:00] <yofel> digikam worked fine on precise but broke in quantal
[15:00]  * shadeslayer goes back to looking at qtwebkit
[15:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, so I upload calligra-l10n to the main backports one or the beta backport PPA?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> them scripts don't work
[15:01] <smartboyhw> *one -> PPA
[15:01] <yofel> smartboyhw: main backports as it's a stable release
[15:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, thought of something: I will compile source for calligra (for precise) into my own PPA, if it works I will simply copy the package to the Kubuntu Backports PPA
[15:05] <yofel> yeah, you can do that. Use our staging PPA if you don't want to do any custom config to your PPA
[15:05] <yofel> as you'll probably have to make it depend on the backports one (at least for precise that might be a good idea with backported KDE and Qt and what not)
[15:06] <yofel> with precise's main Qt you'll need to change some setting I believe
[15:06] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah:P
[15:06] <yofel> that I_HAVE_PATCHED_QT thing or what that was
[15:07] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:09]  * shadeslayer rages at qtwebkit for being so arcane
[15:12] <smartboyhw> **** I got the version number wrong, I typed in ~ubuntu12.04.1 instead of ~ubuntu12.04.2 in calligra-l10n precise backport
[15:13]  * yofel wonders when qt5 is going to end up in experimental...
[15:13] <yofel> fabo: anything holding it up?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> "The current copyright is huge: 12637 lines. I have reviewed it but there still could be errors."
[15:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: nobody will care about that...
[15:14] <shadeslayer> from http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/q/qtwebkit/qtwebkit_2.2.1-5/changelog
[15:14] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: that's mostly just to match the output of backportpackage
[15:14] <yofel> even 12.04 would've been fine
[15:14] <shadeslayer> yep ^
[15:15] <shadeslayer> ok has anyone generated qtwebkit tarballs in the past?
[15:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: I wonder how the poor soul that wrote it was ^^
[15:15] <yofel> *who
[15:15] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:15] <shadeslayer> not one single person
[15:15] <shadeslayer> sou;s
[15:15] <shadeslayer> *souls
[15:15] <yofel> note that the calligra one is mostly invalid syntax ^^
[15:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I can log into them fine.
[15:19] <jussi> Hrm, as anyone looked into packaging the KDE version of http://sflphone.org/ for our repos? (there is a PPA it seems, but only the gnome version in the repos)
[15:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hi, did you solve it?
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm logged in I just can't create a new raring chroot
[15:58] <ScottK> OK.
[15:59] <ScottK> Let me see.
[16:00] <ScottK> Riddell: What happens if you copy over home/kitterma/pbuilder/raring-base.tgz into your directory and then do pbuilder update?
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, solve what?
[16:01] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploading to PPA?
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell,  only -l10n
[16:01] <smartboyhw> using ec2 is a bit of difficulty when uploading
[16:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's the issue?
[16:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, GPG keys
[16:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you didn't work debsign -r ?
[16:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you didn't work out debsign -r ?
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, not that part
[16:04] <smartboyhw> The uploading
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, anyway will try it tmr, got more time.
[16:04] <smartboyhw> I am starting my holidays!!!!
[16:05] <Riddell> ScottK: this is probably showing my limited use of pbuilder but I'm doing something wrong http://paste.kde.org/666914/
[16:08] <Riddell> hmm, that guy gives up too easily :(
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: I generally use pbuilder-dist, so pbuilder-dist raring update
[16:14] <ScottK> See if that works.
[16:17] <Riddell> mm that's doing something
[17:03] <Riddell> skaet: what's that you say?  you put up a placeholder for Alpha2?
[17:03] <Riddell> you're a bit worried if there are people to test alpha2 and 12.04.2?
[17:04] <skaet> Riddell,  for the release notes;   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[17:05] <skaet> but yes,  am a bit worried about running the alpha 2 in parallel wiht 12.04.2 from a test perspective
[17:05] <skaet> rather testing perspective.
[17:05] <Riddell> good news is we have some new ninjas recently, would be good to get them into testing mode
[17:06] <skaet> excellent!  :)
[17:06] <skaet> will some focus on 12.04.2 and others on 13.04 alpha 2?
[17:07] <Riddell> that seems one way to do it
[17:07] <skaet> other ideas are welcome :)
[17:08] <Riddell> I think we'll just have to see what fits best with the time people can give, I'll put out a call that we have a big testing week coming up
[17:08] <Riddell> skaet: one issue is we don't have any UEFI stuff on our images
[17:08] <Riddell> I'd like to get a laptop with UEFI on to test but I don't know how to get one with UEFI
[17:09] <Riddell> it doesn't seem to be an advertised feature, can't think why
[17:10] <skaet> Riddell,  wondering if its worth pinging balloons to see if he has some volunteers with the right hardware willing to help?
[17:10] <Riddell> yeah that's an idea
[17:12] <Riddell> meh I uploaded calligra backport to raring instead of quantal, head fail
[17:14]  * Riddell out to LUG
[20:42] <soee> any of you niticed problems and error messages with keyring after upgrate to 4.10 ?
[20:45] <jessie> What kind of error messages?
[20:47] <soee> when trying to clone some git repos, or using smartgit
[20:47] <soee> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /run/user/soee/keyring-P0HEam/pkcs11: No such file or directory
[20:47] <soee> there was no such problem before upgrade
[20:52] <genii-around> soee: Not noticing that. I did a clone on the quassel repo just earlier.
[20:52] <PaulW2U> soee: that's bug  #932177
[20:56] <jessie> Oh, nice. I have experienced that at times too.
[20:56] <jessie> Though not with git.
[21:03] <soee> PaulW2U, ok thank you
[21:15] <rdieter> soee, jessie : let me save you some trouble, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665961
[21:15] <rdieter> there's an upstreamed patch there
[22:15] <Quintasan> FOR CHRISTS SAKE
[22:15] <Quintasan> can anyone tell me how the hell do I share a damn freaking printer over a network?
[22:59] <amichair> howdy, can anyone tell what's up with these unmet kde 4.10 dependencies? http://pastebin.com/nTa11ppQ
[23:13] <yofel> amichair: that happens when running what?
[23:13] <amichair> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (on 12.10)
[23:14] <amichair> when I try the -f, I get what I think is bug #1100622
[23:15] <yofel> ah yeah, overwrite errors would cause broken dependencies
[23:15] <amichair> hmm... versions different than the bug, but otherwise look similar
[23:16] <amichair> "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5ubuntu2"
[23:18] <ScottK> amichair: You should remove kdelibs4c2a.  KDE3 is way obsolete.  We should also breaks/replaces kdelibs4c2a, but you don't want that anymore.
[23:18] <yofel> hm, that file has been there since 4.9.95 though. I guess nobody noticed
[23:18] <yofel> ScottK: I'll do it
[23:19] <yofel> *SIGH*
[23:19] <yofel> whoever uploaded kde to raring didn't push the release
[23:19] <yofel> that's *NOT* automatic
[23:19] <amichair> I don't know how it got there, though this system has been on upgrades for several years
[23:20] <amichair> maybe ancient leftover
[23:20] <yofel> ancient leftover
[23:20] <yofel> it's not like anything would remove it usually
[23:20] <amichair> then that's a bug in the upgrade path :-)
[23:21] <yofel> hard to say. It should be marked obsolete and proposed for cleanup usually
[23:22] <amichair> ok, removed it, now it's amarok-engine-xine, guarddog and ksensors showing errors coz they need it
[23:23] <amichair> do they have modern replacements?
[23:24] <yofel> xine is unsupported, but I don't know about the rest
[23:25] <amichair> so maybe being left behind is an amarok upgrade bug. I'll remove that one.
[23:25] <yofel> Riddell: as you signed the packages I guess you ran the upload script. Could you please push the bzr commits and tags?
[23:25] <Riddell> yofel: what what?
[23:25] <yofel> Riddell: kde branches are all UNRELEASED
[23:26] <Riddell> oh tsk yeah I forgot that
[23:32] <amichair> hmmm... I try removing amarok-engine-xine or ksensors, but they don't get removed
[23:36] <yofel> Riddell: thanks
[23:38] <Riddell> pushed!
[23:38] <amichair> does kde have a firewall gui app?
[23:39] <Riddell> amichair: kubuntu doesn't generally need one
[23:40] <yofel> there was one in the wild I believe, but nothing we have packaged
[23:40] <yofel> use gufw
[23:42] <amichair> why would kubuntu not need a firewall? sometimes ports get open, and you don't want them exposed to outsiders...
[23:44] <amichair> so... I'm trying to remove kdelibs4c2a and those that depend on it (amarok-engine-xine guarddog ksensors), but they don't get removed...
[23:45] <yofel> try 'sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdelibs4c2a', then apt-get install -f
[23:49] <amichair> yofel: great, that seems to have unclogged it - thanks!


[01:19] <om2> Hi, trying to juju bootstrap to openstack private cloud...
[01:19] <om2> I get this error, ERROR cmd supercommand.go:458 failed to bootstrap model: cannot package bootstrap agent binary: no prepackaged agent available and no jujud binary can be found
[01:20] <om2> Any ideas how to move forward?  Juju bootstrap is looking for jujud inside my local juju bin directory and not finding it, but cannot find any info on jujud.
[01:22] <om2> som more debug:  https://paste.pound-python.org/show/fNCbbes8Fv2Ul6wQx6rs/
[06:26] <surf> Hi all, I want to know about juju charm deployment on openstack instance
[06:26] <surf> please someone help
[08:08] <cacasmacas> anyone have a working RackSpace openstack Kilo juju controller setup?  I keep getting credentials not found and no credentials needed for that cloud
[08:08] <cacasmacas> any pointers or example yaml files appreciated for juju 2.x
[08:10] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world
[08:11] <kjackal> cacasmacas: you might have more luck asking at #openstack-charms
[08:12] <kjackal> hi surf. What exactly you want to know?
[09:03] <Zic> hi here, if I deployed the canonical-kubernetes bundle charms with only private ethernet interfaces on my kubernetes-worker and if I add after this deployment public interface, wil Juju do something? does it ever need to?
[09:04] <Zic> s/wil/will/
[09:14] <anrah> om2: you're missing simplestream metadata service for your cloud
[11:03] <zeestrat> BlackDex: We're running into the same issues when deploying OpenStack HA services on LXD on MAAS nodes. The nodes are pretty beefy, but deploying them all at the same time really bogs it down.
[11:04] <BlackDex> yea, i now told the bundle to use hacluster with a count of 3, and all the HA services like cinder, glance etc... i just deploy one unit. And afterwards i just do `juju deploy -n2 cinder --to lxd:1,lxd:2`
[11:05] <BlackDex> the cluster won't start untill there are 3, so this works for now
[11:06] <BlackDex> but if i'm correct, the juju-deployer package waited before atleast one was deployed, and after that it added the remaining units for that service/app
[11:07] <zeestrat> I came straight into juju 2.x so I haven't really tried juju-deployer.
[11:11] <zeestrat> It might be worth sending a mail to the mailing list to explain the issue and hear if anyone has some suggestions on deployment or performance improvements in Juju
[11:47] <anrah> I saw this clearwater+zabbix demo about autoscaling, is there any hint how that was achieved?
[11:47] <anrah> juju client + user installed to zabbix server and then using shell commands to scale the application?
[11:48] <anrah> I'm interested whether there's some "approved" way to implement autoscaling features?
[11:49] <BlackDex> zeestrat: where is your bootstrap located? Also an LXD?
[12:32] <junaidali> Hi, should auto_peers for ntp be true, if we're going to use ntpmaster?
[12:32] <junaidali> auto_peers config in ntp charm*
[12:33] <junaidali> if we're *not* going to use ntpmaster**
[12:33] <surf> hi all, how to boostrap juju on openstck cloud?
[12:36] <junaidali> surf: you should check https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/help-openstack
[12:37] <junaidali> I have created a guide over this (not a clean one though :) ), http://paste.ubuntu.com/23833150/
[13:35] <deanman> surf, Did you mean how to deploy a workload using juju on top of openstack ?
[13:47] <surf> deanman: yes i got the way to do.
[13:48] <anrah> there is couple things to be extra careful :)
[13:49] <deanman> ok great, i did it recently on Mitaka and could help if you want but i think junaidali's snippet is straightforward :-)
[17:24] <lazyPower> bdx - got your doc comment, and briefly glanced at the reactive code linked. I'd need to dive deeper in this context with a deploy to see if we cant do it another way
[17:24] <lazyPower> but it looks very similar to what we were referencing lastnight
[20:08] <blahdeblah> junaidali: I've changed the readme recently to hopefully explain this better; see https://git.launchpad.net/ntp-charm/tree/README.md for latest
[20:09] <blahdeblah> junaidali: I have to run now, but feel free to drop questions here and I'll do my best to answer.


[00:13] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: With the forums being pretty much dead, I'm changing the forum link in the menu to a link to askubuntu.com since that's where preferred support is anymore.
 fun fact
 I am a mod on Ask Ubuntu too
 I do a lot of things *evil grin*
 Ruh roh
 @Eickmeyer [(one of which @tsimonq2 reset the time-in-queue on, which shoved it to the back …], I comb through the sponsorship queue pretty quickly tho
[01:33] <teward> and I still chew you out when you step on something i'm working on @tsimonq2 lol
 @teward [<teward> and I still chew you out when you step on something i'm working on @tsi …], GET ON THE CALENDAR
 😆
 ***HAIL GLORIOUS LEADER SABDFL***
 *shot*
 @tsimonq2 ERR: No Calendar Write ACcess
 @teward001 [@tsimonq2 ERR: No Calendar Write ACcess], Err: requested you did not
 (Document) http://studiobot.ericheickmeyer.com:9090/05Gpdvrp/file_58.mp4
 Give me a Google email in this public channel :P
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> Build failure is due to an upstream bug in apt-xapian-index.
 which is orphaned
 it's actually traced back to apt python stuff 1.9 i think
 but still
[19:57] <OvenWerks> bummer, apt-xapian-index makes synaptic much nicer to use... and there is no software installer worth while since synaptic.
 well unless someone wants to pick up apt-xapian-index and maintain it in Debian too... 😜
[19:58] <OvenWerks> Except the kde muon.
[20:00] <OvenWerks> Ya I know, we all have only so many hours. The gnome software installer is nice enough to look at... if only it passed questions the package asked back to the user. And warned the user when some package they asked to be installed was going to remove half their system...


[22:26] <rsmith> Hi! Is there (or could there be) a talk at Ubucon on LXD/LXC, assuming there is interest?  Many people don't realize that LXC is way more useful to the average person than docker, say.
[22:44] <ianorlin> rsmith: there will be unconference talks I don't think there are any scheduled ones
[22:45] <rsmith> OK, maybe next year I'll apply to give a talk, in case no one else does.  (Yes, I'm nobody.  But I would love to see a talk on LXD and all its hotness.)
[22:45] <ianorlin> the unconference has spaces for talks alolocated but based on what attendies want
[22:56]  * ianorlin goes to the ubuncon meetup page to see who is coming
[23:01] <rsmith> OK, thanks!
[23:03] <nhaines> rsmith: there is a proposed talk called "Containerize all the Things!" about containers, and there will be Canonical employees on hand, so if you're interested in LXD and LXC, you shuold definitely come to UbuCon. :)
[23:04] <nhaines> You'll probably see it on Friday as an unconference session, since it didn't make it to the Thursday schedule.


[08:43] <dednick> anyone noticed the dash search field not opening keyboard on first unity8 load?
[08:46] <davmor2> dednick leave it and see if it is just slow
[08:46] <davmor2> dednick: I discovered that maliit has to regenerate apparently
[09:30] <dednick> larsu: re bug for running i just logged. is "stopped" vs "other" state what i should be using to determine if i should show track info?
[09:31] <dednick> larsu: just fyi, the phone is always exposing a mpris interface through the media-hub :/
[09:33] <larsu> dednick: state can be "Playing" or "Paused" (or "Stopped" I think, but most players don't do this anymore)
[09:33] <larsu> dednick: exposing it all the time might lead to some problems
[09:33] <larsu> for example, I don't know if the indicator listens to the desktop entry changing
[09:34] <larsu> which usually isn't an issue...
[09:34] <larsu> also, it keeps displaying track info until the application has stopped
[09:35] <larsu> I guess media hub will have to do this manually now (watch the app and remove the currently playing track when it stops)
[09:35] <dednick> larsu: indeed
[09:36] <larsu> dednick: feel free to file a bug if that turns out to be an issue
[09:48] <dednick> davmor2: after about a minute of waiting for keyboard/focus i got bored :/
[11:05] <greyback> why is network manager insisting on re-connecting to a wifi access point with a weaker signal, when the last AP it connected to has a much stronger signal?!
[11:20] <Mirv> bregma: I wonder if bug #1310316 could be triaged? it has plenty of affected people, and I also get my 14.04 machine all wonky at least once a month if I use the scaling, because of which I've stopped using the scaling even though I'd need it on the target machine.
[11:21] <Mirv> the symptom text-scale-factor getting very weirdly set is correct. it's suddenly set at value like "1.97777777" and such. it's only fixable by dconf-editor.
[11:30] <facundobatista> Holas
[13:03] <dandrader> dednick, ping
[13:29] <mterry> mzanetti, if you have time today, re-looking at my passphrase-ui-tweaks branch would be helpful -- it's now the basis for another u8 branch (lockscreen-fixes-for-wizard) which is necessary for the wizard password redesign
[13:31] <mzanetti> mterry: ack, I'll do my best
[14:17] <dednick> davmor2: yo.
[14:17] <dednick> davmor2: sorry, missed the ping
[14:18] <dednick> dandrader: ^
[14:18] <dandrader> dednick, we won't have qmltests for that, do we? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8417961/
[14:18] <davmor2> dednick: grrrrrrrr waking me up like that ;)
[14:18] <dandrader> dednick, secondly, is this use case still valid?
[14:22] <dednick> dandrader: no qmltest for that
[14:22] <dednick> dandrader: and i haven't head that it's not valid. unless you're talking about the new design
[14:23] <dednick> dandrader: which is a good point. i have no idea what they've thought of for that :/
[15:26] <pstolowski> hey, does anyone know what happend to /usr/share/unity/icons (or /usr/share/unity/icons/album_missing.png in particular) on the phone?
[15:33] <pete-woods> pstolowski: I was asking about this in #ubuntu-devel


[01:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:06] <pygi> howdy :)
[01:55] <knixtech> is jono the famous, jono bacon?
[01:56] <LaserJock> yep
[01:56] <LaserJock> and Ubuntu Community Manager
[01:59] <knixtech> wow
[02:00] <LaserJock> lots of cool people hang out here ;-)
[02:00] <knixtech> for real
[02:00] <knixtech> lol
[02:00] <LaserJock> oh, including top10 Launchpad karma people
[02:00] <knixtech> ha
[02:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: Not anymore :-)
[02:12] <crimsun> we even have an esteemed raging ubuntuaholic motu
[02:13] <crimsun> thank goodness I'm still a nobody :-)
[02:14] <LaserJock> haha
[02:14] <LaserJock> you are sooo beyond us
[02:14] <LaserJock> we can't even give you a name ;-)
[02:14] <LaserJock> you are THE crimsun
[02:14] <LaserJock> the uberMOTU
[02:15] <LaserJock> defender of soundcards
[02:15] <LaserJock> and generally cool dude
[02:16] <crimsun> nope, a nobody beyond even bddebian's wildest gesticulations :D
[02:17] <LaserJock> heh
[02:19] <LaserJock> oh heck yeah
[02:20] <LaserJock> if I could get "crimsun on a usb stick", man that would be cool ;-)
[02:20] <crimsun> kinda cramped
[02:20] <LaserJock> I suppose
[02:33] <knixtech> do you guys recommend this? http://www.lulu.com/content/324312
[02:34] <LaserJock> in what way?
[02:35] <LaserJock> knixtech: you can read it on your computer if you want :-)
[02:35] <LaserJock> to see if you want a print copy
[02:36] <knixtech> gotcha, well i guess its easier to read a book in the tub, rather that a laptop ;)
[02:36] <knixtech> I think ill get it
[02:36] <LaserJock> mhm, that's why we put it on lulu
[02:37] <knixtech> sweet
[02:37] <knixtech> whens edubuntu going to be on there?
[02:37] <LaserJock> when there is something to put there
[02:37] <LaserJock> probably not too long after Edgy is release, I'd guess
[02:37] <knixtech> sweet
[02:38] <knixtech> i am so looking forward to it
[02:39] <knixtech> is there a version of the server guide to download?
[02:40] <LaserJock> well, it's installed on your computer, and in HTML and PDF form at help.ubuntu.com :-)
[02:40] <knixtech> ty
[02:40] <LaserJock> or at least I know it's installed on Ubuntu and Kubuntu, I don't know about Edubuntu
[02:45] <knixtech> rgr
[04:28] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:30] <brianko> greetings
[04:30] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[04:30] <sbalneav> Evening bddebian, brianko!
[04:32] <brianko> so is this channel strictly edubuntu discussion, or other educational OSS-related stuff as well?
[04:57] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[04:59] <LaserJock> brianko: it's mostly edubuntu discussion, but a lot of educational OSS stuff gets talked about too :-)
[05:01] <brianko> there doesn't appear to be too many IRC channels that addresses OSS and education...
[05:01] <sbalneav> Hello LaserJock
[05:02] <ogra> brianko, so feel free to hag around here :)
[05:02] <ogra> *hang
[05:02] <brianko> ogra: appreciate that
[05:08] <brianko> so what educational levels are represented here?  I teach open source courses at a community college...
[05:14] <LaserJock> I'm a PhD Physical Chemistry student
[05:15] <LaserJock> there are some school IT people around as well
[05:19] <brianko> very cool...will stop by again when I get a chance.
[08:33] <RichEd> !pips1
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pips1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <HedgeMage> Anybody awake in here?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> darn.
[09:23] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:25] <cbx33> mornin jono
[09:25] <jono> howdy :)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> morning jono
[09:34] <jono> hey Burgundavia :)
[10:38] <TeePOG> hi hi
[10:39] <TeePOG> hello cbx33, highvoltage :-D
[10:42] <TeePOG> hi everyone
[10:42] <TeePOG> SA is coming online I see
[10:48] <cbx33> hi TeePOG
[10:48] <cbx33> SA?
[10:48] <TeePOG> South Africa
[10:48] <cbx33> ah...gheheh
[10:48] <cbx33> should have guessed that one
[10:49] <TeePOG> np man
[10:49] <TeePOG> it's monday, you can get away with it
[10:52] <willvdl> when do you reckon we'll come online?
[10:53] <TeePOG> lol willvdl... as soon as civilisation collapses... we're foremost in smoke-signal technology here in SA
[10:58] <cbx33> hi willvdl
[10:58] <willvdl> hey there
[10:58] <willvdl> plotting with dotproj :]
[10:58] <cbx33> :D
[10:58] <cbx33> excellent
[11:01] <cbx33> willvdl: i don;t think we need any
[11:01] <cbx33> I just setup canonical and volunteer
[11:01] <cbx33> as a person must be assigned to a company when created
[11:01] <willvdl> hmmm, no real point in having an "ubuntu"
[11:02] <cbx33> are you using my dotproject ?
[11:02] <willvdl> yip
[11:02] <TeePOG> why would a harddisk respond to "hdparm -i /dev/sda1" with "HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" ?
[11:02] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:02] <cbx33> not sure
[11:03] <TeePOG> i mean, it cannot be just because it's SATA
[11:03] <TeePOG> bbl
[11:03] <TeePOG> lol
[11:13] <cbx33> willvdl: I tried gobby with someone today
[11:13] <cbx33> it rocks ;)
[11:13] <willvdl> excellent
[11:13] <willvdl> it's got built in irc client right?
[11:14] <cbx33> well a built in chat something ;)
[11:15] <cbx33> if you could get a canonical one running that'd be awesome ;)
[11:17] <willvdl> will hopefully get to see Charl soon. this week maybe
[11:18] <cbx33> nice ;)
[11:25] <TeePOG> totally keyboard-based WM
[11:30] <jsgotangco> yo!
[11:31] <TeePOG> hi jsgotangco
[12:09] <cbx33> willvdl: NICE WORK dude !
[12:09] <willvdl> just uploaded that doc from RichEd on categories and profiles
[12:09] <cbx33> yeh i see it
[12:10] <cbx33> looks like it's starting to work well
[12:10] <willvdl> is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/Planning still open?
[12:10] <willvdl> for any specific use?
[12:10] <cbx33> um
[12:11] <cbx33> willvdl: feel free to use it
[12:11] <cbx33> that is all old stuff now
[12:11] <RichEd> hello willvdl & cbx33 :)
[12:11] <willvdl> might come in handy as a scratchpad
[12:11] <willvdl> Hey RichEd
[12:11] <cbx33> hi RichEd
[12:12] <RichEd> willvdl: Where did you load the categories ? I've got some responses = additions from other people ... need to give you an update
[12:12] <willvdl> RichEd, still awaiting info on that e-schools workshop. Prof Kinyanjui needs to respond
[12:13] <willvdl> Ah, the file you sent me I just uploaded on http://www.progbox.co.uk/dotproject/
[12:13] <TeePOG> hi RichEd mate, how goes?
[12:13] <willvdl> version 0.1
[12:13] <RichEd> Also I don't want to have lists of categories diverging ... may be an idea to have a single reference page with the others pointing to that.
[12:14] <RichEd> But you go ahead in dotproject ... I'll do a master reference list on wiki.edubuntu.org
[12:14] <RichEd> hello TeePOG :)
[12:15] <willvdl> cool.
[12:15] <TeePOG> RichEd: please feel free to send me any preliminary drafts of your icafe document
[12:15] <jsgotangco> hey hey
[12:15] <willvdl> ola
[12:16] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i have this huge email to you later
[12:16] <RichEd> hello filippino
[12:16] <jsgotangco> currently on draft
[12:16] <jsgotangco> its single p ;)
[12:16] <jsgotangco> let me clean this up, i just did the whole thing on emacs
[12:17] <RichEd> jsgotangco: Philippines has two p's ?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> yes
[12:17] <jsgotangco> but Filipino isn't
[12:17] <jsgotangco> the local word is Pilipinas
[12:17] <jsgotangco> but the original spanish term is las islas filipinas or something
[12:18] <RichEd> ah ... Will I need to make space in my inbox for thet email ? Just how big is it ;)
[12:18] <jsgotangco> RichEd: im sending you a draft, in text format, nothing more
[12:18] <jsgotangco> but its one of the stuff im writing as part of recommendations and strategies to adopt
[12:19] <RichEd> huge email <- joke w.r.t.
[12:21] <jsgotangco> RichEd: sent
[12:21] <RichEd> Thanks :)
[12:22] <willvdl> hmmm, have rw to wiki.ubuntu.com but ro to wiki.edubuntu.org
[12:27] <RichEd> jsgotangco: got the mail ... just spotted this:
[12:27] <RichEd> Epol : to help develop Filipino children who are competent and confident in using the English language so that they may be ready for the challenges of the global environment. Episodes are for grade school english and conversational english.
[12:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:27] <RichEd> Epol is a brand of dog food in South Africa :P
[12:28] <jsgotangco> well its a silly title...its like the incorrect way to say Apple here
[12:28] <RichEd> Not being rude ! It just jumped out the page at me :)
[12:28] <willvdl> :)
[12:28] <jsgotangco> is Epol an african word?
[12:29] <willvdl> doesn't reflect our foreign policy at all
[12:30] <willvdl> nah, jsut a brand name
[12:30] <RichEd> Nope ... an invented brand name ... it has no meaning ... but their byline is "The Perfect balance" so it fits into the global aspirations of your project.
[12:31] <RichEd> Okay, I'll have a serious read, and give you my considered opinion after some though. I will wait for some meaningful approach ideas rather than banging off a respone to your points.
[12:32] <jsgotangco> hahahaha
[12:32] <jsgotangco> its not yet done though (the draft)
[12:32] <jsgotangco> i never even reviewed it
[12:32] <jsgotangco> i just wrote and wrote
[12:33] <cbx33> willvdl: they should be the same wiki
[12:33] <willvdl> I know. weird
[12:34] <willvdl> now it works...
[12:54] <RichEd> jsgotangco: that's the best approach often ... it allows the subconcious to come through unrestrained
[12:55] <willvdl>  cbx33, got a little tied up between "parents" and "dependencies". Silly me.
[12:55] <RichEd> willvdl also got a little tied up with too many IRC windows open ;)
[12:55] <willvdl> uhuh. guilty
[12:55] <RichEd> jsgotangco: ping
[12:56] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hi
[01:03] <pygi> cbx33, today is the day
[01:19] <willvdl> hmmm, parent tasks don't automatically update their dates from children
[01:20] <pygi> morning knixtech
[01:20] <knixtech> morning
[01:21] <knixtech> ;)
[01:23] <knixtech> so when is edgy coming out for edubuntu?
[01:23] <willvdl> cbx33, getting the hang of this thing...
[01:23] <pygi> same as when for ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu :)
[01:24] <cbx33> pygi: ?
[01:25] <cbx33> willvdl: hehe cool
[01:25] <pygi> cbx33, to call the embassy
[01:25] <cbx33> I'm watching it's great to see it evolving
[01:25] <cbx33> pygi: excellent...I'll cross my fingers for you
[01:26] <TeePOG> does anyone know when highvoltage will be coming in?
[01:26] <TeePOG> i need to ask something about the LTSP thang
[01:26] <willvdl> Burgundavia, ping
[01:33] <TeePOG> i wonder if anyone else can help me: can i have the ltsp clients booting off a different kernel than my main kernel? for compatiblility's sake i'm runnung i386, which is a waste in a system that cries out for a 686-smp kernel
[01:34] <knixtech> hello jono
[01:35] <jono> hey knixtech
[01:35] <knixtech> ty for the email
[01:39] <knixtech> Hey pygi, I was supposed to remind you today
[01:39] <knixtech> so /me is reminding you
[01:39] <pygi> knixtech, I know, as soon as I contact the embassy ^_^
[01:40] <knixtech> ok, ty sie
[01:40] <knixtech> sir
[01:42] <cbx33> willvdl: do we have a budget ;)
[01:43] <willvdl> good question. We'll get stuff printed if that's what you mean...
[01:49] <knixtech> How many hours ahead are you guys from NY Timezone?
[01:52] <willvdl> I'm GMT+2
[01:52] <jsgotangco> im gmt+8
[01:53] <jsgotangco> that makes it almost 8am in ny while its 8pm here
[01:53] <willvdl> shouldn't you be in bed then? :)
[01:53] <jsgotangco> heh its pretty early
[01:54] <pygi> willvdl, I'm same I think ;)
[01:59] <pygi> knixtech, ok, I'm done, let's rock and roll
[02:03] <pygi> knixtech, poke?
[02:03] <knixtech> sure
[02:03] <knixtech> srry
[02:03] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyTasks
[02:03] <pygi> knixtech, PART II - "The install"  - just for now, what do you say? :)
[02:04] <knixtech> ummm
[02:05] <knixtech> the install on the server?
[02:05] <pygi> "Install Edubuntu server"
[02:05] <pygi> chapter name is wrong ;)
[02:06] <cbx33> pygi: where am i to put the SCP stuff when I get round to writing it?
[02:06] <knixtech> shouldnt it be installing the server on edubuntu
[02:06] <pygi> cbx33, when you write it I'll add it somewhere
[02:06] <pygi> knixtech, just ignore the naming, you get the point :)
[02:12] <cbx33> pygi: and pessulus
[02:12] <pygi> cbx33, ofcourse :)
[02:24] <cbx33> willvdl: are you gonna say those tasds habe staretd?
[02:24] <willvdl> erm, wassat?
[02:24] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:24] <cbx33> sorry
[02:25] <cbx33> those first tasks are yellow
[02:25] <cbx33> meaning they havn't been started
[02:25] <cbx33> but they have
[02:25] <willvdl> ah. lemme look
[02:27] <willvdl> hmmm, had to seed it with a little progress
[02:27] <cbx33> heheh
[02:27] <willvdl> have you seen any work in the past on ubuntu use cases?
[02:27] <pygi> cbx33, waiting for answer
[02:27] <willvdl> I know Burgundavia was involved
[02:27] <cbx33> pygi: i hope you get it dude
[02:28] <willvdl> pygi, what you hoping for?
[02:28] <pygi> cbx33, you don't know how much I'd really really like to be able to get that visa
[02:28] <pygi> willvdl, visa for USA ^_^
[02:28] <cbx33> yes i do
[02:28] <willvdl> B1/B2 visa?
[02:28] <pygi> willvdl, B2, yes ^_^
[02:29] <pygi> If I don't get it, somebody will get in trouble ;)
[02:29] <willvdl> you'll get it. as long as your passport photo is _exactly_ the right size and you dotted your i's and crossed your t's
[02:30] <pygi> willvdl, "you dotted your i's and crossed your t's" ... what?!?
[02:31] <willvdl> meaning they are sticklers for formality. as long as you filled in the form correctly, you will get your Visa
[02:32] <pygi> willvdl, ah, it's not really about visa, I believe I can get it. It's more about time needed to get it
[02:32] <willvdl> oh... how soon?
[02:32] <pygi> willvdl, well, in time for UDS
[02:33] <willvdl> University Dining Services? :P
[02:34] <pygi> willvdl, Ubuntu Developers Summit :)
[02:34] <willvdl> :]
[02:34] <cbx33> willvdl: that smiley seems quite evil ;)
[02:35] <jsgotangco> heh UDS in google would be interesting
[02:35] <cbx33> indeedd
[02:35] <willvdl> I practice in front of a mirror
[02:35] <pygi> cbx33, he doesn't want me to come ;)
[02:35] <jsgotangco> too bad i can't come (nor invited myself to go)
[02:36] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! My edubuntu server hibernates itself, apparently without any action in the clients. Syslog reports "Sep 14 10:42:47 server-basica gnome-power-manager: Hibernating computer because the DBUS method Hibernate() was invoked": what does it mean? is it possible that that happens without any hibernation command from a client?
[02:36] <jsgotangco> you don't happen to have incorrect power manager settings do you?
[02:37] <paolob-parroquia> cbx33, could you recompile gnone-power-manager with ogra's patch?
[02:39] <cbx33> paolob-parroquia: I already did once
[02:39] <cbx33> that patch should be in the updates
[02:39] <cbx33> as far as I know ogra just need to test if it was goign to work
[02:39] <paolob-parroquia> cbx33, do you mean I get it with update && upgrade?
[02:40] <cbx33> yes
[02:40] <cbx33> you should
[02:40] <paolob-parroquia> cbx33, ok
[02:40] <cbx33> as far as I know once I had tested it, ogra was goign to put it into the backports
[02:40] <paolob-parroquia> cbx33, but does the error I reported above have anything to do with that?
[02:41] <cbx33> hang on
[02:41] <cbx33> reading
[02:42] <cbx33> paolob-parroquia: I don;t know
[03:03] <pygi> cbx33, hurraayyyyyyyyy :)
[03:06] <paolob-parroquia> cbx33, the last gnome-power-manager package has date of may
[03:07] <pygi> cbx33, I'm very happy now :)
[03:07] <knixtech> Anyone know where i  can find a edubuntu edgy knot 3 vmware image?
[03:09] <TeePOG> knixtech: why not build your own? qemu makes vmware-compatible vmdk files
[03:09] <TeePOG> and there's this site that generates you the vmx files
[03:11] <knixtech> TeePOG, do you know what site this is?
[03:12] <TeePOG> sure knixtech, http://www.consolevision.com/members/dcgrendel/vmxform.html
[03:12] <knixtech> ty
[03:12] <TeePOG> np
[03:12] <TeePOG> is there a good scp frontend in Gnome?
[03:13] <TeePOG> anyone?
[03:14] <TeePOG> nm, secpanel is fine
[03:19] <knixtech> hey TeePOG , i thought you could boot from a cdrom or iso in vmware?
[03:20] <TeePOG> yes knixtech... on that site, check the box on the IDE1:Master or whatever, then choose Device Type "cdrom-image"
[03:21] <knixtech> kk
[03:21] <knixtech> ty
[03:21] <TeePOG> the name you specify in that form, must be the same as the ISO's filename
[03:21] <knixtech> gotcha'
[03:21] <TeePOG> and it's case sensitive, so watch for like xxxxx.ISO instead of xxxx.iso
[03:24] <TeePOG> [and if it's really called xxxxx.iso, then it's probably illegal ^.^ ]
[03:27] <pygi> cbx33, poke?
[03:33] <RichEd> with a name like 4x ? either a very serious australian beer or very hardcore dutch p0rno
[03:33] <RichEd> -> RichEd is out for 30 mins
[03:42] <cbx33> pygi: peek
[03:42] <cbx33> HI ogra
[03:43] <cbx33> pygi: I JUST SAW YOUR MESSAGSE !!
[03:43] <cbx33> WHAT HAPPENED DUED !
[03:57] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:59] <pygi> hey sbalneav
[04:03] <RichEd> hi ogra: thanks for the norway student masters email ! busy with them now.
[04:17] <cbx33> pygi: what happened?
[04:33] <pygi> cbx33: one day for a visa
[04:33] <pygi> and I already have a valid passport
[04:35] <cbx33> YAY!
[04:35] <cbx33> you're going dude !
[04:35] <pygi> probably not ;)
[04:36] <pygi> sbalneav, ogra : so you saw, I need one day for a visa ^_^
[04:37] <sbalneav> Good news.
[04:37] <pygi> sbalneav: probably yes :)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> one day for a visa is nothing compared to what I had to do to get a handwritten schengen visa ;)
[04:45] <pygi> highvoltage:
[04:45] <pygi> jsgotangco: ;)
[04:45] <ogra> pygi, wow, thats cool !
[04:47] <pygi> jsgotangco: lol, why is that?
[04:47] <pygi> ogra: indeed ^_^
[04:49] <pygi> I still have one bug to fix before I can release libburn 0.2.2 ;)
[05:04] <RichEd> !seen juliux
[05:04] <ubotu> I last saw juliux (n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux) 3d 19h 52m 43s ago, quiting: "Verlassend"
[05:28] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:30] <pygi> howdy bddebian
[05:30] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[05:30] <pygi> whats up bddebian ? :)
[05:31] <bddebian> Freakin' work. :-(  You?
[05:31] <pygi> bddebian: preparing libburn release ^_^
[05:31] <bddebian> Nice
[05:48] <knixtech> pygi, what was the link to the wiki?
[06:30] <knixtech> in knot 3, do you have access to all repo's that dapper had access to?
[06:38] <juliux> RichEd, sorry i missed the meeting
[06:49] <gnomefreak> knixtech: as in main restricted universe and multiverse yes as in the 3rd party repos not yet most are not updated for exdgy yet
[06:49] <RichEd> Hi juliux ... Not a problem ... I've had a crazy day as well.
[06:49] <juliux> RichEd, i arrived 2hourse late in dresden
[06:50] <RichEd> I have my father in law staying with my wife & I for 2 days, so I have to wrap up in 10 mins for a family dinner.
[06:51] <RichEd> juliux: I'll send you an email early in the morning, and you can answer the first round like that, and do some thinking. I have my review with sabdfl tomorrow afternoon / evening, so wednesday will be my next slot available for us to caht.
[06:52] <knixtech> gnomefreak, ty
[06:52] <gnomefreak> yw
[06:56] <knixtech> I installed edgy with parallels and cant get on the net, thats why i was asking
[07:13] <LaserJock> hmm, so another -artwork updaye
[07:14] <LaserJock> *update
[08:33] <highvoltage> RichEd: please remind jane that tomorrow is talk like a pirate day
[08:38] <LaserJock> ?
[08:39] <highvoltage> LaserJock: her kids made fun of her last year because she didn't know it was talk-like-a-pirate day
[08:40] <LaserJock> k, and how do you know it is talk-like-a-pirate day?
[08:41] <highvoltage> our local lug has a bot that reminds us of these things :)
[08:41] <highvoltage> 20:32 <@highvoltage> Spinach: September 19
[08:41] <highvoltage> 20:32 < Spinach> September 19 is National Butterscotch Pudding Day or Talk Like a Pirate Day
[09:11] <juliux> ogra, evening, what is with edubuntu.de? the domain is not registerd, so everybody can get the domain at the moment
[09:11] <ogra> juliux, i think RichEd is the right person to talk to, or silbs
[09:11] <juliux> ogra, ok
[09:29] <willvdl> ola all
[09:51] <Ristpea> iB6hzkP0
[10:01] <cbx333> evenin all
[10:01] <cbx333> hi ogra
[10:02] <LaserJock> hi cbx333
[10:03] <cbx333> hey LaserJock
[10:03] <cbx333> I'm so tired
[10:06] <pygi> cbx333: :P
[10:07] <cbx333> hey pygi
[10:07] <cbx333> hi willvdl
[10:08] <cbx333> nn guys
[10:08] <willvdl> hey there.
[10:08] <willvdl> sporting an extra 3 there I notice
[10:08] <Rawplayer> hi, is the official ubuntu book recommended for ubuntu certification?
[10:09] <LaserJock> interestng question
[10:16] <willvdl> Rawplayer, by ubuntu certification do you mean LPI level certification?
[10:16] <Rawplayer> yes
[10:16] <Rawplayer> i want to take the ubuntu exam on linuxworld expo next month
[10:16] <Rawplayer> but i'am not sure if i'am ready for that
[10:17] <Rawplayer> because i dont know exactly what is ubuntu specific
[10:17] <willvdl> ah. To be honest I'm not sure if the ubuntu book is sufficient
[10:17] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think so
[10:17] <willvdl> Have you checked out LPI website?
[10:17] <Rawplayer> i cant find anything there
[10:17] <LaserJock> as it is an introductory book
[10:17] <Rawplayer> only lpic-1 and lpic-2 books are written there
[10:17] <Rawplayer> but none ubuntu books
[10:18] <Rawplayer> i have a lot of debian knowledge
[10:18] <willvdl> but the specs/expectations might be listed
[10:18] <Rawplayer> i cant see the exam there :)
[10:20] <willvdl> gimme a sec
[10:32] <willvdl> hmmm
[10:33] <Rawplayer> also members area is to hard to find on the website
[10:33] <Rawplayer> to login
[10:45] <Rawplayer> willvdl: hehe
[10:45] <Rawplayer> you cant find anything about it
[10:45] <Rawplayer> on the internet
[10:45] <willvdl> true
[10:45] <Rawplayer> only the announcement
[10:45] <Rawplayer> and some stuff on forums
[10:46] <Rawplayer> well its ok
[10:46] <Rawplayer> i've signed up
[10:46] <willvdl> had a chat about this the other day to the south african affiliate
[10:46] <Rawplayer> maybe you want to hang out in #lpi to
[10:47] <Rawplayer> some people from lpi are haning out there
[11:00] <willvdl> what did they say?
[11:05] <Rawplayer> its quiet atm
[11:14] <willvdl> ah
[11:14] <willvdl> I'm off to bed. Good luck with the cert!
[11:14] <Rawplayer> ok thanks
[11:21] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[11:24] <Burgwork> !seen ogra
[11:24] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 1h 7m 36s ago, quiting: "Verlassend"
[11:25] <Burgwork> Rawplayer, the official ubuntu book was not written to be a guide to the cert, per se
[11:25] <Rawplayer> i know
[11:25] <Burgwork> however, I imagine the cert will cover some of the same topics
[11:25] <Burgwork> I say this, having been a co-author on the book but never taken the cert or even seen it
[11:28] <knixtech> I know in dapper, that when you install edubuntu, by default the edubuntu_server is installed.  Is this the same in edgy knot3?
[11:28] <Rawplayer> Burgwork: did you guys think about it?
[11:29] <Rawplayer> to make it also a study guide
[11:29] <Rawplayer> maybe something for version 2
[11:29] <Burgwork> no, we didn't at all, afaik
[11:29] <Rawplayer> with sidemarks on the pages what also could be important for the ubuntu cert
[11:29] <Rawplayer> on the different topics
[11:29] <Burgwork> might be interesting. I will chat with my editor agbout it
[11:30] <Rawplayer> nice to hear :)
[11:33] <LaserJock> knixtech: I think only if you do a server install
[11:33] <knixtech> ok, then for my part of the wiki, i will assume that it would be a standalone install
[11:33] <knixtech> right, or do both?
[11:35] <DEINOS> hi
[11:35] <knixtech> DEINOS, hola
[11:35] <DEINOS> can someone ask some questions ?
[11:35] <knixtech> huh?
[11:36] <DEINOS> its my 1st time on linux and im trying to configure ltsp
[11:36] <knixtech> you said it was your first time last week ;)
[11:37] <knixtech> DEINOS, whats the problem with it
[11:37] <Burgwork> 50 first (Linux) Dates ;)
[11:37] <knixtech> Burgwork, lol
[11:38] <DEINOS> in the edubuntu quick install guide say to uninstal the dhcp server , but i dont have a windows machine runing dhcp , so i dont have to uninstall it . This is right ?
[11:38] <knixtech> you need dhcp running on ther server
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah, if you don't have any other dhcp on the network you should be fine
[11:38] <DEINOS> can be on the server ? or i need another machine to do that ?
[11:39] <knixtech> the server
[11:39] <knixtech> the edubuntu server
[11:39] <knixtech> DEINOS, you need to run sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd start
[11:39] <DEINOS> ok
[11:39] <knixtech> then configure your addresses
[11:39] <knixtech> then start it again
[11:40] <knixtech> DEINOS, it will tell you what you need to edi
[11:40] <knixtech> edit*
[11:47] <DEINOS> tnx
[11:47] <knixtech> pygi, may i talk to you in private please
[11:47] <knixtech> DEINOS, all good?
[11:47] <pygi_> knixtech: I've responded
[11:47] <DEINOS> i leve , and come back now , i will do it now
[11:47] <knixtech> pygi_, i think you need to authenticate first
[11:48] <pygi_> o right, that even :)
[11:48] <knixtech> lol
[11:52] <knixtech> DEINOS, any luck?
[11:52] <DEINOS> did u mean run sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server  start   ?????
[11:52] <knixtech> DEINOS, yes i did
[11:52] <knixtech> ;)
[11:52] <DEINOS> dont have dhcpd
[11:52] <DEINOS> ok
[11:52] <knixtech> DEINOS, it will fail until you configure it
[11:53] <DEINOS> how i do this
[11:54] <knixtech> you have to edit dchp.conf or something like that
[11:54] <DEINOS> dhcp ?
[11:54] <knixtech> hold
[11:55] <DEINOS> ok
[11:56] <knixtech> DEINOS, go into /etc/dhcp3
[11:56] <knixtech> and edit the dhcp.conf
[11:57] <DEINOS> and ?
[11:57] <knixtech> hold
[11:57] <DEINOS> hum ok
[11:58] <knixtech> ack , there is documentation on the site, i have to go now
[11:58] <DEINOS> ok tnx
[11:58] <knixtech> basically you have to edit it to what you want as in addresses and all
[11:59] <DEINOS> ok i understand it
[12:00] <knixtech> great, if you need more help, just ask away, the guys here are great
[12:00] <DEINOS> ok
[12:00] <DEINOS> se u later
[12:00] <DEINOS> see u later
[12:00] <knixtech> ill be on later, i have to attend a firehouse meeting
[12:01] <DEINOS> good luck
[12:01] <knixtech> if you need more help feel free to email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:01] <knixtech> DEINOS, good luck to you
[12:02] <DEINOS> ok bye
[12:03] <Burgwork> hmm, shipping a default dhcp and lts.conf is pretty important, I can see that
[12:04] <Burgwork> DEINOS, if you want to, send the edubuntu-devel list a list of issues you have had with installing and how you resolved them and we can look at making it easier
[12:05] <DEINOS> im leaving too , i cameback soon as u will think
[12:05] <DEINOS> wen i need more help
[12:05] <DEINOS> and to talk
[12:05] <knixtech> DEINOS, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/ServerConfiguration
[12:05] <knixtech> try that
[12:05] <DEINOS> ok


[09:23] <FourDollars> cjwatson: It seems that grub-efi-amd64-signed doesn't support uuid search for vfat file system. Right?
[09:31] <xnox> for vfat/ntfs do not support linux filesystem UUID, instead use label
[09:32] <FourDollars> xnox: Got it, thanks a lot.
[09:32] <xnox> the vfat/ntfs labels are symlinked into /dev/disk/by-uuid/ which may suggest otherwise.
[09:33] <xnox> no problem =)
[09:33] <FourDollars> xnox: Are you sure that grub-efi-amd64-signed supports label search for vfat file system?
[09:33]  * FourDollars is oging to try it.
[09:33] <FourDollars> s/oging/going/
[09:34] <xnox> xnox: i know that grub supports label search. But I have not yet tried any efi stuff.
[09:36] <FourDollars> xnox: I use grub-install from quantal. It puts 'search.fs_uuid 1F4E-FBA8 root hd0,msdos1' on my USB drive.
[09:37] <FourDollars> xnox: So I think grub also supports uuid search for vfat.
[09:37] <FourDollars> xnox: But grub-efi-amd64-signed might have limited functionalities.
[10:55] <cjwatson> FourDollars: I don't see a particular reason it shouldn't support that; it seems to have all the relevant modules.  Sounds like a bug.
[10:55] <cjwatson> (Both label and UUID.)
[10:59] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Thanks for your reply.
[11:26] <FourDollars> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/+bug/1087653
[11:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087653 in grub2-signed (Ubuntu) "grub2-signed doesn't support vfat file system on USB drive." [Undecided,New]
[17:59] <bizhanMona> HI is this a right place to ask about kickseed/preseed?thx
[17:59] <cjwatson> Yes
[18:00] <cjwatson> But it's nearly dinnertime here so be quick
[18:01] <bizhanMona> oh okay then please go ahead have your dinner, I have just started to process of understanding what it is and will have lot us of questions in future. Thank you.
[18:03] <cjwatson> OK, sure.  Quick mental model: preseed is a way to set a bunch of values in a database which is consulted by the installer during operation and can provide answers to what might otherwise be interactive questions.  kickseed is a compatibility layer for the Red Hat Kickstart format that translates things into preseeding at the very start of the installer
[18:03] <cjwatson> You can mix and match them (via the Ubuntu-specific 'preseed' command extension to Kickstart)
[18:04] <bizhanMona> oh great, because I know about the Redhat kickstart so I can use the same kick start file, (I hope) then.
[18:06] <cjwatson> Well, it will provide a starting point at least; it probably won't be complete
[18:06] <bizhanMona> okay great to know I can always come here for help. THanks so much.
[18:06] <cjwatson> The idea was more to get people over the initial hurdle than to provide compatibility with every detail (though I do add details if they aren't too painful to translate)


[01:24] <globeking> new 1304 install wont boot.  not writing grub to disk.  is this known issuse
[05:43] <jenkel> Can anyone help with a win 8 dualboot? I'm confused about grub.
[05:43] <zequence> jenkel: you installed Ubuntu Studio next to Win8?
[05:49] <jenkel> zequence: yep ubuntu installed.Only win 8 boots. Used Easy BCD to update bootloader and have the option to choose ubuntu but get an error saying can't find neogrub0.mbr
[05:51] <zequence> jenkel: I've never heard of easy BCD, and when it comes to dual booting Ubuntu Studio with Windows, it's the same for all Ubuntu flavors
[05:51] <zequence> so, you might find more answers somehwere more Ubuntu releated
[05:51] <zequence> like #ubuntu, or check http://ubuntuforums.org
[05:51] <jenkel> thanks
[05:59] <Unit193> Yeah, the guide he may have been looking for was !uefi.
[06:30] <green_> any developers here
[06:32] <green_> any developers online
[13:39] <NickG> Hey
[13:40] <cfhowlett> NickG, ho
[13:40] <NickG> I was reading about contributing to Ubuntu Studio and I am fully supportive of this OS and I want to contribute, I program in PHP5 and MySQL and design HTML and CSS would there be something I could do?
[13:41] <NickG> see http://hillcanproductions.com its my company and I made the site
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !contribute
[13:42] <NickG> ?
[13:42] <SonikkuAmerica> cfhowlett: ubottu was disconnected by services. Sorry.
[13:43] <SonikkuAmerica> I think it's ubuntustudio.org/contribute
[13:43] <SonikkuAmerica> I think it's * http://ubuntustudio.org/contribute
[13:43] <cfhowlett> http://ubuntustudio.org/contribute/
[13:43] <NickG> Yah but they direct me here
[13:43] <NickG> so it seems kind of a circular process lol
[13:44] <cfhowlett> NickG, well the developer channel (rarely used it seems) is #ubuntustudio-devel.  But if you see the wiki, you'll find contract info for the team leads.
[13:44] <SonikkuAmerica> No, it says to join #ubuntustudio-devel
[13:44] <NickG> Oh ok, I will look there, thank you!  :)
[13:47] <cfhowlett> NickG, also see the ubuntustudio and ubuntu art forums
[13:47] <NickG> Yes, I will do that.  thank you.  For now a shower.  Have a great day!
[14:06] <zequence> my connection is so bad, so I never know if what I wrote actually was sent anywhere
[14:07] <holstein> zequence: :/
[14:08] <zequence> holstein: are you doing the theatre gigs now?
[14:08] <holstein> im doing *a* theater gig now ;)
[14:09] <holstein> not sure how much of it i'll get, or can take
[14:09] <holstein> its not a bad scenario, and im glad to have the work.. but the repetitive nature is not something im totally comfortable with on a long term basis
[14:09] <zequence> I can empathize with that
[14:10] <zequence> could be worse though
[14:10] <zequence> could be minimalism
[14:10] <zequence> like 3 notes for 2h straights
[14:10] <holstein> hehe .. theres one like that, in the start of act 2
[14:11] <holstein> just F quaternotes for like 3 minutes or so..
[14:12] <SonikkuAmerica> That's gotta be dull and boring...
[14:12] <holstein> it can be.. its a good group though
[14:13] <holstein> http://www.flatrockplayhouse.org/project/evita/ is what im doing now.. then lemis
[14:15] <zequence> pretty big show then
[14:15] <holstein> well, the "orchestra" is a bit of a cheat
[14:15] <holstein> like 8 of us trying to emulate a large group
[14:16] <zequence> yeah, it looks very much like what we were doing, the couple of times I was involved in musicals
[14:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Even on Broadway they're trying to curb that kind of thing...
[14:17] <holstein> im surprised theres a market for it around here.. and im not sure there actually is.. i heard they were in $$ trouble this past season
[14:35] <NickG> zequence, you're a team lead for Ubuntu studio right?
[14:35] <NickG> I had emailed Scott Lavender (?) about joining on the website team, but then on his blog I notice he had left Ubuntu Studio
[14:36] <DarkEra> doh
[14:36] <NickG> zequence is having internet troubles
[14:37] <DarkEra> NickG, yes he has and he's the lead of ubuntu studio :)
[14:37] <DarkEra> also freenode is still stuggling with the ddos attacks it seems
[14:38] <NickG> Oh the entire Ubuntu Studio?
[14:38] <NickG> oh we got ddos'd?
[14:38] <holstein> NickG: you should /join #ubuntustudio
[14:38] <holstein> NickG: you should /join #ubuntustudio-devel
[14:38] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: ?!
[14:39] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Oh
[14:39] <SonikkuAmerica> I was about to say...
[14:39] <DarkEra> NickG, according to the global message yesterday yes
[14:39] <NickG> ok good stuff
[14:39] <holstein> NickG: did you /join the mailing lists?
[14:39] <holstein> NickG: also, the #xubuntu-devel channel is relevant
[14:40] <NickG> Yeah I just joined.  Navigating around trying to contribute is proving to be a confusing task lol.  They told me to join the irc, then look at the wiki and join mailing lists
[14:40] <holstein> NickG: it is
[14:40] <NickG> lol
[14:40] <NickG> I will email kaj
[14:40] <zequence> How is it confusing?
[14:40] <holstein> NickG: it takes a certain amount of resources to have avenues like that in place
[14:41] <zequence> You join the mail list and/or the IRC channel, and present yourself
[14:41] <zequence> NickG: I'm Kaj
[14:41] <NickG> I'm not sure how they all tie in to each other.
[14:41] <holstein> the list is active with different folks
[14:41] <holstein> NickG: they dont have to tie in at all
[14:41] <holstein> NickG: folks use irc.. folks use the list.. most of the *devel happens in IRC though
[14:42] <NickG> oh, so like covering all bases then
[14:42] <holstein> NickG: its more like this.. if you dont like *any* of the avenues, you are free, and encouraged to open a new one
[14:42] <holstein> NickG: then, there will be an additional avenue to maintain
[14:42] <NickG> Regardless, I joined the mailing list
[14:43] <zequence> the mail list is a absolute must
[14:43] <holstein> yup.. hard facts come down the list
[14:43] <zequence> any announcements will be made there, and all devs subscribe to it, so they will read all the mail there
[14:43] <NickG> Oh, no I just didn't know why the ubuntustudio.org/contribute told me to go three avenues, I didn't realize it was an either-or type of thing thats all, confusion resolved I guess
[14:44] <zequence> some of the discussion happens there, but not all
[14:44] <zequence> most of the talk is on the IRC channel
[14:44] <NickG> Ok, I joined it :)
[14:45] <zequence> I think this kind of sums it up "Just get into touch with us, and we’ll go from there."
[14:45] <NickG> Is there anything related to website work that needs doing?  I'm a PHP programmer and designing in HTML and CSS/photoshop/gimp for 10 years
[14:46] <NickG> yah I missed that line, I was reading too fast lol
[21:32] <NickG> I cant seem to log into this channel and ubuntu studios developers irc...
[21:33] <OvenWerks> NickG: You're here?
[21:34] <NickG> yes but not in the developers room
[21:34] <DarkEra> NickG, #ubuntustudio-devel
[21:34] <NickG> I thought it was #ubuntustudio-devel
[21:34] <DarkEra> yep
[21:34] <NickG> Yeh, see, do I need to do it in a new tab maybe?  Earlier I was in three chats on this one tab
[21:34] <NickG> New to IRC
[21:35] <DarkEra> if you get in try to add it to your favorites
[21:35] <NickG> I should have done that, lol.
[21:35] <DarkEra> is it xchat you use?
[21:36] <NickG> Nope
[21:36] <NickG> umm.
[21:36] <NickG> Chrome
[21:36] <NickG> Should I use a client?
[21:36] <holstein> theres not really a "should".. you should use what you want, and what works
[21:37] <holstein> i use irssi in screen.. .xchat is a good GUI one
[21:37] <NickG> If its like email, I prefer to go to gmail.com instead of using outlook or thunderbird.  Idunno why, Lemme look at xchat
[21:38] <DarkEra> if it's the webbased chat you use you could expect some more trouble. Not always but it could happen
[21:38] <holstein> i dont use email clients either.. but i use irssi in screen so i can run it on a server, persistently, and reconnect where ever i am
[21:39] <NickG> Im BACK
[21:39] <DarkEra> yay! \o/
[21:39] <NickG> I like Xchat better, I recall trying to use it long ago and it wouldn't connect so I stopped trying lol
[21:40] <holstein> *you couldnt connect with it
[21:40] <NickG> It was a while ago, months
[21:40] <NickG> I'm not sure why, but it wouldn't connect to a chat I was trying to join
[21:40] <holstein> when i started using irssi, i went with weechat instead at first, since it auto connected to freenode.. then, i learned how to make irssi connect
[21:41] <NickG> I'm not sure what irssi is
[21:41] <holstein> !info irssi
[21:42] <NickG> Oh nice
[21:42] <NickG> is ubottu a bot?
[21:42] <NickG> that response to commands beginning with !?
[21:43] <holstein> NickG: right..
[21:43] <holstein> !help
[21:43] <holstein> !proaudio
[21:43] <NickG> !info ubuntu
[21:43] <NickG> ?
[21:43] <NickG> ahhh for package
[21:43] <holstein> !info xchat
[21:43] <NickG> !info compiz
[21:43] <NickG> neat
[21:43] <NickG> I like bots
[21:44] <holstein> NickG: its also a little more relaxed in this channel, but tthe official ubuntu channels, you want to mind the topic
[21:45] <NickG> I see
[21:45] <holstein> NickG: we wouldnt be playing around with the bot in #xubuntu, for example
[21:45] <NickG> Thanks for the heads up
[21:45] <holstein> and, this is an offical, and logged channel.. but we relaxed the "rules" a bit
[21:45] <NickG> ahh ok.
[21:46] <Unit193> You can also PM the bot too, all the commands work the same in it.
[21:48] <NickG> Oh, what are some commands I should know about IRC to not appear.... you know...
[21:48]  * holstein is where you type "/me does something"
[21:49] <NickG> ok
[21:49] <holstein>  /topic
[21:49] <NickG> afk
[21:49] <holstein>  /names ..for me, since i dont have a names list...
[23:25] <NickG> It's not too busy in here, eh