[02:00] <bkerensa> slangasek: I assume announcement will come monday?
[02:01] <slangasek> bkerensa: planning to have it sooner than that
[02:03] <bkerensa> slangasek: Cool which mailing lists will it hit? I will  blog about it once it goes up and also ping Jono to do the same... I talked to one person at Ubuntu WA who might drive down from Seattle for it if her schedule works
[05:25] <bkerensa> =/
[05:25] <bkerensa> AWS is irritating me lately
[05:25] <bkerensa> =/
[06:29] <bkerensa> hey nathwill
[06:29] <bkerensa> wanna do me a favor?
[06:29] <bkerensa> :D
[06:29] <nathwill> hey bkerensa
[06:29] <nathwill> what's the favor?
[06:29] <bkerensa> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:29] <bkerensa> and tell me any output
[06:29] <bkerensa> =/
[06:30] <nathwill> waaaaittting...
[06:30] <nathwill> you running non-std port?
[06:30] <nathwill> i'm timing out on port 22
[06:31] <nathwill> showing ip <IP_ADDRESS> dunno if that matters
[06:31] <nathwill> you recently move it?
[06:31] <nathwill> ^bkerensa
[08:45] <bkerensa> !rules
[16:05] <TRAVISg> Hey guys I am going to miss the meeting tonight.
[16:06] <TRAVISg> But I will idle during it so I can read it would love it if anything come sup that I may be able to help with that you keep me in mind
[16:06] <TRAVISg> Have a great day guys
[16:07] <TRAVISg> oh I have a friend who does server admin and she is going to try the the usb I made of 11.10 on her home PC showed her my lap top and she was really interrested
[22:46] <bkerensa> Good Afternoon Nathwill :D
[22:46] <nathwill> afternoon bkerensa, how goes it
[22:46] <bkerensa> nathwill: If you want a znc acct you can have one btw
[22:46] <bkerensa> nathwill: Good... You see OMG! Ubuntu! today?
[22:46] <nathwill> nope
[22:46] <bkerensa> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/foss-yeaaaah-a-song-about-unity-gnome-and-ubuntu/
[22:47] <nathwill> ha! awesome
[22:47] <nathwill> i saw that on your blog, didn't know it made omg
[22:47] <bkerensa> heh
[22:47] <bkerensa> I think this is the third time in a few months they have plugged me
[22:47] <bkerensa> nathwill: You coming to the meeting tonight?
[22:48] <nathwill> yessir
[22:49] <bkerensa> nathwill: Cool... It should be brief :) I don't expect a big turnout
[22:50] <bkerensa> oh look who shows up
[22:50] <bkerensa> :P
[22:50] <bkerensa> Canonical and their wonky servers :P
[22:50] <nathwill> lol
[22:50] <bkerensa> why we have two ubuntulog bots in here I have no idea :D
[22:50] <bkerensa> redundancy ;)
[23:06] <tgm4883> log all the things!
[23:08] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Your plaintext has been recorded and pinged to Canonical Central :D
[23:08] <bkerensa> Hi Odysimus
[23:09] <bkerensa> Hi cweber10 ;)


[02:13] <mhz> moin
[02:13] <mhz> ogra_: ping awake??
[02:13] <ogra_> mhz, on my way to bed
[02:13] <mhz> ok, bye then, sleep well
[02:14] <ogra_> mhz, urgent prob ?
[02:14] <mhz> I can wait
[02:14] <mhz> :)
[02:14] <mhz> thx
[08:07] <JaneW> morning
[08:10] <jsgotangco> good morning my lady
[08:12] <JaneW> hi jsg
[08:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: welcome to the m/l - it's pretty quiet atm...
[08:13] <jsgotangco> stir up the natives let's do it
[08:14] <jsgotangco> JaneW, its just my 2nd ml account heh
[08:15] <JaneW> heh
[08:15] <jsgotangco> just ask and I do your bidding =)
[08:18] <JaneW> hmmm seems our DHCP problem is not going to be fixed in Breezy :(((
[08:18] <jsgotangco> we'll add that as a known issue then, don't worry about it
[08:18] <jsgotangco> we'll improve as we go on =)
[08:19] <JaneW> how much of a big deal is it IYO?
[08:19] <jsgotangco> oh its pretty big if we're aiming for a really dumbed-down install approach
[08:19] <JaneW> yes it was meant to be a chicken install...
[08:20] <jsgotangco> JaneW, can you list down our final "feature" list so i can start hacking up the release notes i am almost done with ubuntu and i can easily lift parts of it for our project
[08:21] <jsgotangco> mdz says the current doc looks good so we'll build on it
[08:21] <highvoltage> i initially received lots of criticism from the ubuntu people about the methods i used to dumb down the skubuntu installation, it was the only way i could bring it down to simply running one single script. people underestimate how long it can take to do 'properly'.
[08:21] <highvoltage> sometimes, something that just works and satisfies the client is good enough.
[08:22] <highvoltage> you can perfect the ways you do it after time.
[08:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: agreed
[08:22] <highvoltage> just ignore me. i have little sleep so i'll probably be grumpy today.
[08:22] <highvoltage> ooh. ok. that was unexpected ;)
[08:22] <highvoltage> hi JaneW
[08:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: also proper linux ppl want it done 'properly', newbies wouldn;t know or care...
[08:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great, feature list for ub/edu?
[08:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, just edu i have the ub covered =)
[08:23] <jsgotangco> the doc is still in xml but readable if you want to check it out
[08:24] <JaneW> ok great well edu has all (I think must dbl check with ogra) ub features, plus the stuff in the preview list
[08:24] <JaneW> I need ogra to check that and confirm if it's changed...
[08:24] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:24] <JaneW> I'll get back to you.
[08:25] <jsgotangco> andk known issues
[08:25] <jsgotangco> the rest is stock ub
[08:25] <JaneW> yes and known issues :(
[08:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/gnome/releasenotes/C/breezy-release-notes.xml
[08:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: the non-commercial license on the wiki, that's not the license that elmo mentioned, or was it decided to be different later?
[08:26] <jsgotangco> err who is Philipp Schrder?
[08:26] <highvoltage> Swedish Guy
[08:27] <highvoltage> artist, web designer. very skilled.
[08:27] <jsgotangco> i noticed
[08:27] <highvoltage> also very keen to be involved.
[08:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: what do you mean?
[08:28] <jsgotangco> he seems to be up-to-date on schooltool stuff
[08:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: we were using GNU GPL or such like and elmo told me to change it to CC Some rights
[08:29] <jsgotangco> CC by SA
[08:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: JaneW in an e-mail dated 02/09/2005, elmo said this is the license that Mark wants to use: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
[08:29] <highvoltage> the one on the wiki is: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
[08:29] <JaneW> yes
[08:30] <highvoltage> so why the change?
[08:30] <JaneW> really
[08:30] <highvoltage> yes, really.
[08:30] <JaneW> I thought I put the one that elmo wanted up....
[08:34] <jsgotangco> ok it seems mhz is now editing the wiki on docs
[08:34] <jsgotangco> heh i guess it was a good idea after all to use moin
[08:43] <crimsun> jsgotangco: are grammatical changes accepted for EdubuntuDocumentation/AboutEdubuntu this late in the game?
[08:43] <jsgotangco> crimsun, sure
[08:43] <crimsun> ok
[08:43] <jsgotangco> we don't have freeze really =)
[08:56] <JaneW> did I miss anything?
[08:56] <jsgotangco> nope
[08:59] <crimsun> meeting in 5 hours, correct?
[09:00] <JaneW> nope next week wed
[09:00] <JaneW> there was one yesterday...
[09:00] <JaneW> crimsun: where in the world are you again?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> JaneW, that's a lot of issues from last night's meeting
[09:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you look at the tweaks to the html stuff yet? (colour brightness etc)
[09:01] <crimsun> JaneW: I'm on the eastern coast of the USA.
[09:01] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yup, ogra did a great status report
[09:01] <crimsun> (-0400 GMT)
[09:01] <JaneW> crimsun: what you doing up so late/early!?
[09:02] <crimsun> apparently I mixed up the dates for the #edubuntu meeting
[09:02] <JaneW> crimsun: it's each wednesday at 12:00UTC
[09:02] <JaneW> so 8am your time
[09:02] <JaneW> same as flint and jelkner
[09:02] <crimsun> right. Oh well, I'll need to read the report.
[09:02] <JaneW> crimsun: do you want to read the logs?
[09:03] <JaneW> some notes -> http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[09:03] <JaneW> full # log -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-10-05.html
[09:04] <JaneW> crimsun: sorry about that, I thought it was clear
[09:04] <crimsun> k, I'll sort through the former then the latter.
[09:04] <JaneW> crimsun: basically we need doc and artwork help atm, and testing as always
[09:05] <JaneW> we agreed at the meeting that fixing the dhcp issue was our main priority
[09:05] <crimsun> it's my fault; I was sleeping instead since I stayed awake for two days creating an ALSA diff for the Breezy kernel, which unfortunately due to invasiveness, won't go in (understandably).
[09:05] <JaneW> but we heard last night that the fix will not be allowed through and we have to live with it as a known issue in this release
[09:05] <crimsun> ok.
[09:05] <JaneW> crimsun: sounds like same problem as us ;/
[09:06] <JaneW> we started our dev cycle very late
[09:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:06] <JaneW> mid-July really
[09:06] <JaneW> and we had blocking issues in ubuntu (mainly the X stuff)
[09:06] <JaneW> and ogra had lost to learn
[09:06] <JaneW> and we only had ogra
[09:06] <JaneW> so not a big team
[09:07] <JaneW> plus no one else saw edu stuff as a priority
[09:07] <JaneW> so without making excuses ;)
[09:07] <JaneW> we have been a bit on the back foot the whole time
[09:07] <JaneW> luckilly we had a couple of guys who stepped forward to help out
[09:07] <JaneW> like jsgotangco , highvoltage , mhz etc
[09:08] <JaneW> and ogra has done amazingly well considering
[09:08] <mhz> moin!
[09:08] <JaneW> moin moin
[09:08] <mhz> :)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> well if you ask me although it is my opinion, jelkner and colin didn't do much after UDU
[09:08] <jsgotangco> and just waited
[09:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I agree
[09:08] <JaneW> jelkner and colin were the lead and second for the goal
[09:08] <JaneW> but nothing happened for WEEKS
[09:08] <jsgotangco> it was already 2 months after UDU and nothing just happened
[09:09] <jsgotangco> and some people are starting to dismiss it as vaporware
[09:09] <JaneW> it was only after I raised the concern a few times that sabdfl and matt decided to make another plan
[09:09] <JaneW> and that's when ogra was pulled on board
[09:09] <crimsun> well without negotiating the past, we can look at what needs to be done.
[09:10] <JaneW> so it's not like he's been planning the thing in his mind for years (or even months)
[09:10] <JaneW> so anyway the point I am making
[09:10] <crimsun> Sorry, but between regular work, teaching, MOTU, and sleeping, I'm stretched thin - as I'm sure most of you are.
[09:10] <mhz> JaneW: any chance we urge people (you included :)  ) that upload images, to upload either two sizes (small and large) or upload any size as long as the only add a link to it? This way we'll make moin loading pages less expensive.
[09:11] <JaneW> (arduously) is that some people are under-impressed by edubuntu at this point
[09:11] <JaneW> and we need to fight that
[09:11] <jsgotangco> mhz, thanks for the edits =)
[09:11] <mhz> np
[09:11] <JaneW> so lets see what we can do to add the final polish to this release, and then really focus on making the next one great
[09:12] <JaneW> but we only have one more chance at this, so let's get it right
[09:12] <JaneW> crimsun: understood
[09:12] <JaneW> mhz: good suggestion, the wallpaper one is rather huge now
[09:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, one more chance?
[09:12] <mhz> jsgotangco: we could really make excellent use of the many features Moin has if we only had time to explain how much we can do
[09:13] <jsgotangco> mhz, let's take it a step at a time, we're supposed to support 5.10 for 18 months =)
[09:13] <JaneW> mhz: the wallpapers have all been added to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ now
[09:13] <jsgotangco> mhz, let's build on that =)
[09:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes, we have been told as much
[09:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, argghhh
[09:14] <jsgotangco> JaneW, but that's really unfair, Edubuntu has been a one-man show at the moment
[09:14] <mhz> okidoki to u 2
[09:14] <JaneW> mhz: so we need the large ones up to be able to link them to upload to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/, but once they are there, we can reduce the size and just link back to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[09:14] <JaneW> what do you think?
[09:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: nod, but that's the word, and that's why I rambled above
[09:15] <JaneW> I honestly think ogra has done amazing things, but ppl are judging us on edu vs ubuntu rather than a 40 strong team vs 1 person.
[09:15] <JaneW> and that's tough
[09:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hey it's not ME!
[09:15] <mhz> JaneW: either that or using a picture gallery "plugin" for Moin. I'm 70% sure Moin gang did something like that.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> ok london then
[09:15] <JaneW> I am in the firing line already
[09:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and LA
[09:15] <jsgotangco> right
[09:15] <jsgotangco> but they'll brand me as a terrorist
[09:16] <JaneW> mhz: highvoltage was actually going to put the gallery in the HTML part of the page
[09:16] <JaneW> mhz: that's why we have been pushing for the completeion of the HTML stuff, but we had to go with the wiki in the mean time
[09:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's Washington DC
[09:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you might run into problem there ;)
[09:17] <jsgotangco> JaneW, wider coverage, much better heh
[09:17] <JaneW> more birds with one 'stone'
[09:17] <jsgotangco> mhz, does our current moin support most of the features we'll need?
[09:17] <mhz> wiki's fine. how about /SamllSized /LargeSized ?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> mhz, (config wise that is)
[09:18] <jsgotangco> talk page?
[09:18] <JaneW> mhz: have you seen the new wiki skin hno73 did for us?
[09:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: afaik, yes. Default Moin is 95% ready for documentation
[09:18] <jsgotangco> mhz, awesome
[09:19] <JaneW> http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/
[09:19] <mhz> JaneW: nop. Unfortunatelly, I ahave not known from Henrik in quite a long time. We both have tried to do stuff together but time (and my unemployment concerns) have palyed against.
[09:20] <JaneW> oic
[09:20] <JaneW> mhz: also he's been busy getting his doctorate(!)
[09:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: however, i do think that learning some tricks will speed our work lot more
[09:20] <mhz> JaneW: yep, that too :)
[09:21] <jsgotangco> mhz, no problem with me, it'll help the current ubuntu wiki as well (skills-wise)
[09:21] <mhz> JaneW: where can I see his theme?
[09:21] <JaneW> I posted the link ^^^
[09:21] <mhz> jsgotangco: meaning you are all set to moin editing?
[09:21] <JaneW> http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/
[09:22] <jsgotangco> mhz, collaborative process yes, edubuntu docs are different from ubuntu docs then we'll just move to docbook
[09:22] <mhz> oh
[09:22] <jsgotangco> mhz, current GDP strategy is like this
[09:22] <jsgotangco> mhz, we still have yelp you see
[09:22] <mhz> :)
[09:23] <mhz> hnerik did a real edu-cool theme!!
[09:23] <jsgotangco> we don't have a live docbook editor at the moment so a moin wiki will work for us
[09:24] <jsgotangco> JaneW, it looks very 5.04
[09:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what?
[09:24] <jsgotangco> the colors remind me of our 5.04 sleeve
[09:25] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you testes moin 1.5 editor?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> mhz, nope no time to install one at the moment
[09:25] <mhz> have you edited any page in moinmoin.wikiwikiweb?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, and our logo doesn't look great embossed
[09:25] <jsgotangco> mhz, yeah
[09:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes I guess so, they are also the edubuntu colours
[09:25] <mhz> liked it?
[09:26] <jsgotangco> mhz, it rocked dude
[09:26] <mhz> :D
[09:26] <jsgotangco> JaneW, lots of red?
[09:26] <mhz> .oO(these germans are nuts)
[09:26] <JaneW> anything wrong with red?
[09:26] <JaneW> we are looking at toning the brightness down a bit
[09:27] <jsgotangco> JaneW, nothings wrong with red really, it just looks too similar to the 5.04 sleeve and all the while i thought we're more orange....
[09:28] <mhz> BTW, is there a final Cd cover for Ubuntu breezy?
[09:28] <crimsun> please try to mind general UI guidelines, one of which is to shy from generous use of red
[09:30] <mhz> in defense of hno73, I'd say that Moin is a little mandatory on some CSS stuff and sometimes the use of imagination crashes the theme rendering :(
[09:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the HTML section is more oragne, the wiki is more red
[09:30] <JaneW> mhz: still can't find it!!!
[09:30] <mhz> JaneW: what you mean "find it"?
[09:31] <JaneW> mhz: well there's unofficial stuff, but we haven;t been allowed to see it
[09:31] <JaneW> let me nag again
[09:32] <jsgotangco> the licensing?
[09:32] <JaneW> mhz: me too ;/
[09:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: the "wait until we decide it is time"
[09:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: the "wait until we decide we can release under GPL or CC"
[09:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, we'll see after 5.10 who knows you'll probably have better control of the project after...
[09:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: the "no, you do not have access to that font because we payed for it"
[09:34] <mhz> :D
[09:34] <JaneW> someone was worried that if the packaging is released someone will print off eveil stuff and distribute as 'official ubuntu CDs' *shrug*
[09:35] <JaneW> mhz: that's actually not true
[09:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW, the artwork/cd stuff?
[09:35] <JaneW> mhz: it;s not a font per se, it's just 4 letters
[09:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes
[09:35] <mhz> that is a possibility, yes. But there are ways to let people know and understand very friendly about why you decide to keep things in control :)
[09:35] <JaneW> mhz: true they paid for it, but they only had the 4 ubuntu letter designed
[09:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW, well its understandable unless silbs or whoever is in charge licensed the stuff accordingly
[09:36] <JaneW> mhz: so there is no complete font.
[09:36] <JaneW> mhz: I agree, I think in this case things just moved fast and it was hard to organise and control and know what to do where and how
[09:36] <mhz> JaneW: I asked many times (4 actually) to get tose letters in I file I could separate them easily. I did not get them.
[09:36] <JaneW> (my own opinion)
[09:37] <JaneW> mhz: don;t take it personally even our edubuntu logo designer had to cut them himself and design the 'e' himself
[09:37] <jsgotangco> mmm???
[09:37] <mhz> JaneW: that's my point :)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-title-ttf
[09:38] <JaneW> mhz: I don't think the 'font' exisit outside of the logo
[09:38] <mhz> in a team, in a community, that is shocking (kind of)
[09:38] <JaneW> really?
[09:39] <mhz> JaneW: i know it is only 4 letter. however, if I submit a work (even a logo or the letters of it), I provide the "sources"
[09:39] <JaneW> I can understand the frustrations in the community, but I can also see how it can be hard from the inside
[09:39] <mhz> LOL
[09:39] <JaneW> yes but I think the logo was created, and that's all they got
[09:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW, just imagine it: book publishers will just grab it and make their own stuff and probably sell a book with a cd
[09:40] <JaneW> so yes it's a new design, but there is no font, just 4 newly designed letters
[09:40] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hehe
[09:40] <mhz> well, let's hope in a very near future we get more closed to community-company work, where sources are available sources
[09:41] <mhz> imagine someone wanted to design a whole set of ubuntu fonts
[09:42] <JaneW> mhz: I think that would be great
[09:42] <JaneW> mhz: I hope someone does
[09:42] <mhz> I don't know.. ubuntu fonts suck!
[09:42] <mhz> (kidding)
[09:43] <JaneW> anyway I am just trying to let you know that there is no conspiracy, I even couldn;t get the font because there isn't one!
[09:43] <mhz> lol
[09:43] <JaneW> so it's not a ploy to keep it out of the community :P
[09:43] <mhz> i can't help the laugh
[09:44] <JaneW> sorry :/
[09:44] <mhz> now, getting back to documentation... and testing...
[09:44] <JaneW> I wish I could help more, but I am trying to get the &^*($ CD designs
[09:44] <mhz> this the my 2nd edubuntu install... UNSUCCESSFULL
[09:45] <mhz> JaneW: I am 100% sure you all do more than your bests
[09:46] <mhz> so, whatever my opinions are... are about "company response" , not your works.
[09:46] <jsgotangco> how about the biltong conspiracy
[09:46] <mhz> Teh good thing is that I am not going to sit ansd wait until I get the official covers.
[09:47] <mhz> LOL
[09:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW, if i remember it right, i had a problem with the artwork before for conference posters. I didn't get any reply at all...so i just dropped it
[09:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: how far are you planning to go with the edubuntu doc moining? How do you picture the tasks assignments? etc?
[09:48] <jsgotangco> mhz, oh its wild wild west at the moment, i would appreciate inputs
[09:49] <mhz> I believe there's no funds for evangelisation support?
[09:49] <jsgotangco> mhz, nope
[09:49] <jsgotangco> i'm the self-appointed evangelist at the moment
[09:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: I can help on moin syntax, moin better use of features (like Category, for instance. BTW, did you like that?), transalting into spanish, but until I get a successfull Edubuntu install, I have no idea about my technical skills :)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> ive been prsenting all my talks on an edubuntu workstation and people just notice it
[09:51] <mhz> :)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> successful install in server mode?
[09:51] <jsgotangco> fluxbuntu?
[09:52] <mhz> jsgotangco: I always got errors (many)
[09:52] <jsgotangco> thats strange
[09:52] <jsgotangco> the daily builds has always been solid
[09:52] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, I mainly use 2nd hand boxes (laptops and desktops), so fluxbos is 90% my desktop
[09:53] <mhz> my 5.10 is from the very 2nd day it was out
[09:53] <mhz> and i have never got to dist-upgrade as I always got errors and could not enjoy it
[09:54] <jsgotangco> its still not out
[09:54] <jsgotangco> maybe you mean colony 5?
[09:54] <jsgotangco> strange
[09:54] <mhz> 'pre-release-
[09:54] <mhz> 'preview'
[09:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:56] <mhz> I have a presentation of the things I am volunteer on, and I still can't set an edubuntu install. It's kinda frustrating but I am sure it is mainly stupid configs I may have chosen
[09:56] <mhz> I ahve a presentation = I have to go an present
[09:57] <crimsun> hopefully you're using aptitude to dist-upgrade
[09:57] <mhz> crimsun: apt
[09:57] <mhz> :)
[09:58] <mhz> Actually, in Tecnocimiento, I have to train 2 people about the use of Edubuntu because we'll be inviting teachers on weekly basis, to try edubuntu.
[09:58] <mhz> Demonstrations will start in October
[09:58] <crimsun> mhz: aptitude tends to be more intelligent, try it next time
[09:59] <mhz> crimsun: maybe right. but the only time I tried it I recall it ended up purging all my debian install :)
[10:00] <mhz> Anywasy, I'll try again in 4 or 5 more hours. Now I am off to the "envelope"
[10:00] <jsgotangco> crimsun, thanks for spotting the errors im going to move it again later
[10:01] <crimsun> jsgotangco: no problem. It's fairly rare I get to use my English diploma. ;)
[10:01] <jsgotangco> mmm it seems mdz is now making a draft rc announcement
[10:05] <JaneW> Last night at the UK Linux Awards (associated with the Linux World Expo in London), Ubuntu won the best distro award. :))
[10:05] <jsgotangco> what did ubuntu get exactly?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> a thophy?
[10:09] <mhz> crimsun: just a almost silli doubt... what are the things a person installing edubuntu will deal manually with?
[10:13] <crimsun> mhz: I'll let you know once I (1) wake up; (2) download an ISO and test
[10:13] <mhz> lol
[10:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: could you see my dhcp.conf, please and tell me if it looks ok for you?
[10:52] <JaneW> http://www.fixx.co.za/pics/imagsafsdfsdfe010.jpg <- 2005 beachwear
[10:53] <jsgotangco> errr you're going to wear that?
[10:53] <jsgotangco> you'd look like a character from star wars
[11:02] <mhz> JaneW: lol
[11:03] <JaneW> I don't have 4 sets!
[11:06] <jsgotangco> there's a lot of plastic surgeon in CT im sure
[11:08] <JaneW> there are actually ;)
[11:08] <JaneW> 'Surgery 'n Safari'
[11:08] <jsgotangco> but i'm sure even if mark sponsors for the surgery, you wouldn't do it
[11:09] <JaneW> no, it's not quite the 6-pack I am after ;)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:09] <mhz> LOL
[11:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, you might want to monitor this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[11:13] <jsgotangco> this is the release notes page after the RC annoucement
[11:13] <JaneW> great thanks
[11:13] <jsgotangco> Edubuntu stuff can be easily added into it
[11:14] <JaneW> ta, waiting for ogra to respond to mail (scared of getting anything wrong)
[11:15] <JaneW> mdz moaned when I wrote the last one
[11:16] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:16] <jsgotangco> well mdz got to review this so its a better page
[11:27] <mhz> jsgotangco: just in case .. coul I see your dhcpd.conf? (edubuntu, of course)
[11:27] <jsgotangco> mhz, i don't have a working server atm
[11:28] <mhz> if you see ogra_ before me.. please tell him I thought of him for the last 6 hours trying to set the LTSP here, please.
[11:28] <ajmitch_> :)
[11:30] <pere> someone has been talking to me on this channel.
[11:31] <mhz> he can see my dhcp config while I try to get some sleep before my wife wakes up (in 2,5 hours) at http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/MauricioHernandez/configs/DhcpdConf
[11:32] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are you going to hvae an edubuntu summit again?
[11:32] <mhz> and JaneW, I hope once I wake up, you have received answers about th ecd cover
[11:33] <JaneW> mhz: me too
[11:33] <JaneW> mhz: I have been nagging belive me, mailing silbs again now
[11:33] <mhz> np, I do trust you a lot
[11:33] <mhz> have a nice day you all
[11:42] <JaneW> does anyone here have a good contact for gettig 8000 CD printed/pressed and packaged?
[11:42] <JaneW> we need to find the most cost effective option
[11:43] <JaneW> they'll need to get back to me probably for distribution
[11:43] <jsgotangco> i can ask a fried who's an editor in chief for a magazine in hong kong
[11:43] <jsgotangco> but 8000 ain't that much
[11:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: better than the few 100 we were looking at a few days ago ;)
[11:44] <JaneW> but I agree it's a pretty small run
[11:44] <jsgotangco> i'll ask
[11:44] <JaneW> thanks :)
[11:44] <jsgotangco> if you're looking into the same quality as that of the 5.04 sleeves, we can find something
[11:44] <jsgotangco> but i doubt if we can get it for .45 Euro
[11:48] <jsgotangco> JaneW, do you have a price point?
[11:51] <JaneW> well so far we have no LiveCD, and we'll only print for one architecture
[11:51] <JaneW> so we only need one cover design and it can be a slip cover
[11:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:51] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[11:51] <jsgotangco> wonder if i still have a 4.10 cd of ppc
[11:51] <JaneW> I don't have any other quotes yet, Marilize is looking for an SA one
[11:51] <jsgotangco> it could be something like that
[11:52] <JaneW> I ddn't see those...
[11:52] <jsgotangco> its just a slip cover since its only 1 cd
[11:52] <JaneW> right, yes like that
[11:52] <jsgotangco> the x86 had 2 cds while the ppc and amd64 only had the install cd
[11:54] <JaneW> it's a pity we don't have the liveCD, but such is life
[11:55] <jsgotangco> i'd imagine how terrible the LiveCD would be in terms of performance in an ltsp environment
[11:56] <jsgotangco> its probably better for a live cd to be a workstation rather than a server
[12:03] <JaneW> yes
[12:03] <JaneW> ok looks like we can do it for about R5.50 per CD here, with the packaging and CD printing and pressing etc
[12:04] <jsgotangco> how much is that in US$/Euro?
[12:06] <JaneW> about 0,7EURO
[12:06] <JaneW> not TOO bad
[12:06] <JaneW> if you consider the volumes
[12:07] <jsgotangco> WOW
[12:09] <spacey> talking about cd's?
[12:10] <JaneW> yes
[12:16] <spacey> if there will be edubuntu cd's i would like to order some :)
[12:16] <jsgotangco> some would probably be a piece or 2
[12:16] <jsgotangco> we're very limited
[12:17] <jsgotangco> and will have JaneW's autography
[12:19] <jsgotangco> its probably too soon to have pressed cds during UBZ
[12:28] <ajmitch_> unfortunately
[12:28] <ajmitch_> although we had hoary cds at UDU
[12:28] <jsgotangco> but that's like 3 weeks before
[12:28] <jsgotangco> we'll see
[12:29] <jsgotangco> you can prolly ask courier JaneW
[12:31] <ajmitch_> yep :)
[12:31] <JaneW> prolly won;t be ready by then, but we'll try
[12:31] <JaneW> you really want ogra's autograph on it though
[12:32] <ajmitch_> courier a cd round the world, get the various people involved in edubuntu to sign it ;)
[12:32] <ogra_> JaneW, did you see the /msg win ?
[12:32] <ajmitch_> hey ogra_
[12:32] <ogra_> morning btw
[12:32] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and that was ubuntu CDs which are official and all
[12:32] <ajmitch_> speak of the devil.. :)
[12:32] <JaneW> ogra_:  : no?
[12:32] <JaneW> hello ogra
[12:33] <ajmitch_> we all do
[12:49] <jsgotangco> wow getting nice speed on RC atm
[12:57] <ajmitch_> yeah, ~180K/sec for me
[12:57] <ajmitch_> 16% through the install cd
[12:58] <jsgotangco> alright im gonna rest my eyes a bit and just come back later
[12:58] <jsgotangco> what a long day
[01:18] <JaneW> ok I added 2 new wiki pages
[01:18] <JaneW> they are still unlinked to anything else
[01:18] <JaneW> but check em out
[01:19] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCDPrintingPlans
[01:19] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans
[01:38] <JaneW> sent to mailing list
[01:43] <spacey> :)
[02:20] <Zaheer> afternoon all :)
[02:24] <Zaheer> so what news on the cds? anything i can help with?
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: do we have a RC?
[02:37] <JaneW> Zaheer: did you see mail to list?
[02:37] <JaneW> and hello
[02:37] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCDPrintingPlans
[02:37] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans
[02:45] <Zaheer> :) hello jane
[02:45] <Zaheer> looking now, just saw heading :D
[03:43] <Zaheer> why so quiet today?
[05:16] <mhz> moin
[05:16] <mhz> ogra: ping
[05:19] <ogra> mhz, pong
[05:19] <mhz> good morning, here
[05:19] <ogra> mhz, why did you edit dhcpd.conf ?
[05:19] <ogra> thats the wrong file :)
[05:20] <mhz> ..... sighs
[05:21] <ogra> i told you to read EdubuntuTesting and install like described there (dont touch the IP configuration during install) ... post install you can change the IP and accordingly edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf , nothing else :)
[05:22] <ogra> do a reinstall, its quick if you do the right things ;)
[05:24] <mhz> ogra: so far, all the installation I did on 2 diff pc's had same similar issues. After copying files to HD, rebooting, auto instal and configure packages (having provided IP's and all, it complains about a error "ocurred" just after the final 86% (if I remember correctly), and that system may or may not have problems. Is that normal?  Adn then, as I am kind of ignorant, I decided to manually edit dhcpd.conf with the following 6 hours waste (even with help o
[05:24] <mhz> f infinity at #ubuntu-devel).
[05:26] <ogra> thats completely wrong
[05:26] <mhz> oh, in EdubuntuTesting, you mention IP is provided during installation, I got no IP "provided", else I input it.
[05:27] <ogra> you need to use the supplied IP from the installer during install never touch the /etc/dhcpd.conf file we dont use it, it *must* stay in the original condition
[05:28] <ogra> mhz, which build do you use... the preview ahd ver bad issues that were described there... the nature of EdubuntuTesting is to match always the latest build, so it doesnt reflect this anymore...
[05:28] <ogra> use <IP_ADDRESS> thats the right ip
[05:28] <ogra> the first build after preview uses thid IP
[05:28] <ogra> *this
[05:28] <mhz> i now fully understand you and will follow your exact orders, however, what do I do if I get no IP supplied, I just insert <IP_ADDRESS>? how baout DNS ?
[05:29] <ogra> pick as you like, that doesnt matter
[05:29] <ogra> the only important thing is that the IP matches the settings in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf during install...
[05:29] <ogra> i'm just working on solving this...
[05:30] <mhz> so, basically, what you say is that I have no interaction or decisions to make, only the IP (<IP_ADDRESS>)?
[05:31] <ogra> yes
[05:31] <mhz> ok, cool.
[05:31] <ogra> and the user indeed
[05:31] <ogra> if you rysnc your iso to a recent build it will already offer ths IP
[05:32] <mhz> I whish I could but ISP is only 128 kbps :(
[05:33] <ogra> rsync only downloads the binary difference between the two isos.... its only some 10 MB
[05:33] <mhz> I propose this: I'll write down every step (very KISS like), I'll follow all your instructions, I'll try to install a IRC application in the windows laptop I have (still can't install linux there) and If I have any doubts, I'll come running to you. Does that sound ok with you?
[05:34] <ogra> but you can indeed use the preview image
[05:34] <mhz> rsync, only about 10 MB??? cool!
[05:34] <ogra> some 10
[05:34] <ogra> maybe 50 maybe 20... i havent compared todays iso to the preview
[05:34] <ogra> yet
[05:34] <mhz> hmmm, and the .iso I already have in my HD, syncs with the server .iso???
[05:34] <ogra> yup
[05:35] <mhz> so I endup with 1 .iso per day, or just 1 .iso ata ll
[05:35] <ogra> thats what rsync does... i usually get the diff to yesterdays iso i 15min over a 768k line here
[05:35] <ogra> i'd copy the iso into a new dir so you always have yesterdays backup ;)
[05:35] <mhz> :)
[05:36] <mhz> and what do you end up burning?
[05:37] <mhz> ok, so, I'll take my daughter out of the bath, have her see his favourite "finding Nemo" movie while I get to this man rsync and install process
[05:38] <ogra> the newest indeed... and i only use a CDRW that i always overwrite
[05:38] <mhz> ogra: as usual, thx very much
[05:38] <ogra> mhz, come back and ask if you got questions ;)
[05:38] <mhz> edu-cool
[05:38] <ogra> :)
[06:01] <Yagisan> JaneW, ogra - was my pdf useful ?
[07:00] <mhz> BTW, so far, no problems during the installation 1st part (10%)
[07:05] <vmarks> new release yet?
[07:05] <vmarks> or still preview?
[07:06] <mhz> me? using preview
[07:07] <mhz> but you can rsync .iso's and then try the latest stuff, daily :)
[07:07] <vmarks> meh
[07:07] <vmarks> I'll wait for final at this point.
[07:08] <mhz> hehehe
[07:08] <Yagisan> I played with the preview - it was nice
[07:09] <mhz> I just hope I can use Edubuntu with Fluxbox, Kde, and Enlightenment. Personally, I am not a fan of Gnome, and also, all the pc's i use are thin ones, mainly
[07:09] <Yagisan> I'm "butchering" ltsp to forcibly build an i386 environment for my client systems (I use amd64 as the server)
[07:10] <Yagisan> I have 233MHz and 300Mhz clients 64MB ram
[07:10] <Yagisan> I've tried to put in a "decent" video card - but other wise they are rather low end
[07:10] <mhz> nice schools like env.
[07:12] <Yagisan> mhz: env ? (sorry if it's obvious - 3am here and I'm so tired)
[07:14] <mhz> environment
[07:14] <mhz> :)
[07:15] <mhz> Yagisan: np, been there many times
[07:16] <Yagisan> mhz: my fault here - I broke it - I fix it - hence up late (should have left it alone when I had it working)
[07:17] <mhz> lol
[07:17] <mhz> me too
[07:18] <Yagisan> I remember clearly thinking - yeah it'll be right right before a failed attempt at flashing etherboot and killing a client m/b
[07:19] <mhz> oooops
[07:19] <Yagisan> yep - emergency bios repair didn't work :(
[07:20] <Yagisan> and I'm not hot swapping bioses - I've been electrocuted once before and I don't wish to repeat that again
[07:32] <mhz> lol, at least you keep up the sense of humour :D
[08:01] <ogra> mhz, yes, the ltsp-client-builder s a bit unresponsive, sorry for that...
[08:04] <mhz> np, it was documented :)
[08:05] <mhz> ogra: after rebooting 1st time, after a while, i get:
[08:05] <mhz> Error
[08:05] <mhz> Dhcp server needs manual config and "authotitative" is off.
[08:05] <mhz> shall i ignore that?
[08:06] <mhz> Also, I specify eth1 as the interface to listen to. ok?
[08:06] <ogra> you didnt take the newer iso ?
[08:07] <ogra> you shouldnt see any dhcp stuff in newer isos if you used the IP i told you
[08:07] <mhz> nop, 'coz the box got frozen, dont know why and then it did not even recognized my HD, so I decided to do all again.
[08:08] <ogra> and no, there is no eth1 planned to be used during install thats all post install stuff...
[08:08] <mhz> but can i make it work with eth1 after all is set? or i screwd it up?
[08:08] <ogra> just hit enter if the dhcp server asks any questions, done give any input
[08:09] <mhz> cool, so i can set all later, good
[08:09] <ogra> if you give it an interface other than eth0 or nothing, you screw it... thats all solved in post preview releases
[08:09] <mhz> ????
[08:09] <ogra> you shouldnt set anything for dhcp... only the ltsp provided file
[08:09] <mhz> no way I can fix it manually after install??
[08:10] <mhz> but in you did not say anything about this eth0 thing on the wiki page
[08:10] <ogra> the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file *must* match the IP data of the interface you want to use your thin clients on, dont touch any other stuff
[08:10] <ogra> because it doesnt exist anymore...
[08:11] <ogra> the question doesnt get asked as well as you dont see any other dhcp related stuff in the iso one day after preview
[08:11] <mhz> ok, so i can edit /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf manually this time and it will work?
[08:11] <mhz> lol
[08:11] <mhz> ok
[08:11] <ogra> you dont ned to if you picked the right IP on install
[08:12] <ogra> *need
[08:12] <mhz> I used <IP_ADDRESS> for ip, <IP_ADDRESS> for gw and dns
[08:12] <ogra> ok, great...
[08:12] <mhz> 'coz those values were provided by congis default (except the ip0
[08:12] <ogra> if you want to use eth1 post install for the thin clients, just make it use this range
[08:13] <ogra> and make eth0 use other values
[08:13] <ogra> the dhcp server will magically pick the interface with the matching ip...
[08:14] <ogra> if you want a completely other range, just edit the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file and change the network settings so they match the interface you want to use your thin clients on
[08:15] <ogra> by default the thin client network will always use 192.168.0.XXX
[08:17] <mhz> ok
[08:18] <mhz> so, THE only file to edit manually is /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf ? is that what you say?
[08:18] <ogra> yes
[08:18] <mhz> cool
[08:19] <ogra> if you want to change the IP of an interface, probably /etc/network/inetrfaces, but i'd rather suggest to use the gui for that
[08:19] <ogra> *interfaces
[08:20] <mhz> oops, it's hard to trust guis when it comes to settings :)
[08:20] <mhz> but maybe you are right
[08:20] <ogra> nope, not the gnome gui
[08:20] <mhz> ahhh
[08:20] <ogra> its well tested in ubuntu
[08:20] <mhz> well? i hopw you are right. we'll see :)
[08:22] <ivoks> helo
[08:22] <ogra> hi ivoks
[08:22] <ivoks> so, any plans for ldap after breezy?
[08:22] <ivoks> i would like to help in that area
[08:23] <ogra> ivoks, we'll talk about it on the conference, and work out a good solution with the ltsp guys
[08:23] <ivoks> oh, ok
[08:24] <ogra> currently i cant eve think about "after release" mdz is blocking all my fixes and i have to find workarounds for everything that suit him
[08:24] <ivoks> :))
[08:24] <ivoks> need a pair of hands?
[08:25] <ogra> look at the meeting notes...
[08:25] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[08:26] <ogra> but it look like none of thepatches and fixes i prepared will be accepted, so we need to release what we have
[08:26] <ogra> i'm very unhappy about that
[08:27] <ivoks> ogra: don;t be
[08:27] <mhz> and what's the main reason for blocking?
[08:27] <ivoks> edubuntu is great thing
[08:27] <ivoks> this is first release, nothing's perfect in it's first release
[08:27] <ogra> mhz, our release manage holds tight to the ubuntu schedule, even if my fixes dont affec ubuntu at all
[08:28] <mhz> not even the cd cover will :D
[08:28] <ogra> *manager
[08:28] <ogra> i'm not sure anymore if we should release CDs
[08:28] <ivoks> ogra: we'll meet mdz somewhere in the dark and "negotiate" :)
[08:28] <ogra> since if they fail we wont get the opportunity a second time
[08:28] <mhz> LOL
[08:29] <mhz> no!!! really!
[08:29] <ogra> ivoks, thats what i'm doing since two days
[08:29] <mhz> ?
[08:29] <ogra> yes
[08:29] <ivoks> ogra: in the dark? :)
[08:29] <ogra> ivoks, yes, its dark here
[08:29] <mhz> but isn't Jane the one in charge of edubuntu crew?
[08:29] <ogra> mhz, we'll get money for it only once and i'd like to have a quality release if we spend it
[08:30] <ivoks> ogra: don't spend that oportunity on first release
[08:30] <ogra> this release wont be high quality...
[08:30] <ivoks> ogra: don't do it (imho)
[08:30] <mhz> ogra, how much our release depends on ubuntu schedule? w
[08:30] <ogra> ivoks, yes... but JaneW is already looking for printing and pressing opportunitys
[08:31] <ogra> we thought we could get all my fixes in... but without them i dont think we should spend the money yet
[08:31] <ogra> mhz, 100% :/
[08:31] <mhz> what if we dont release/ship a cd until next ubuntu works starts over, could you submit your changes then?
[08:31] <ivoks> ogra: well, then don't
[08:32] <ogra> sure, but since we build on top of the ubuntu packages we'd pullin all breakage from there
[08:32] <ogra> its not an option to release later
[08:32] <mhz> strike
[08:32] <ivoks> mhz: edubuntu is part of ubuntu
[08:32] <ogra> yup
[08:32] <janimo> hello, is the edubuntu usplash image somewhere online?
[08:32] <mhz> right BUT not really
[08:33] <ivoks> mhz: when ubuntu releases, development of all parts stops (for that version)
[08:33] <ivoks> kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu...
[08:33] <ogra> janimo, http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edusplash.png
[08:33] <ivoks> janimo: xubuntu? :)
[08:33] <janimo> ogra, thanks :)
[08:33] <ogra> ivoks, exactly
[08:33] <janimo> ivoks, yeah the xubuntu artists want to see an example :)
[08:34] <ivoks> this is so beautifull
[08:34] <mhz> ogra: I can't understad why can't we release only after your changes get added to the Breezy ubntu work. We could have all sources in our own reps.
[08:34] <ivoks> mhz: we don't want to fork man :)) not again :))
[08:35] <mhz> not forking
[08:35] <mhz> i am talking about a good release thats all
[08:36] <ogra> mhz, i simply cant, thats not arguable
[08:36] <ivoks> mhz: there is only one release - ubuntu
[08:36] <janimo> ivoks, xubuntu devel cannot stop, it has barely started ;)
[08:36] <mhz> and IF the only problem we have is that ogra can't submit changes... he will be able to if we have our own reposotory this time only
[08:36] <ivoks> others are subproject
[08:36] <ivoks> mhz: it's like asking to release writer after oo.o2 releases
[08:37] <ogra> janimo, i have a xcf anywhere but no time to look it up yet...
[08:37] <ivoks> janimo: for breezy you will have to very soon :(
[08:37] <ivoks> janimo: for dapper, i'm your biggest fan :)
[08:37] <mhz> ogra, so you are saying that we're f*up?
[08:37] <ivoks> yup
[08:37] <ogra> janimo, ubuntu buildds will get locked down next week... whats not in cant get in anymore
[08:38] <ogra> mhz, not really but we'll have to release with known bugs
[08:38] <ogra> mhz, no further errors i hope :)
[08:38] <mhz> can we NOT release?
[08:38] <ivoks> ogra: or just leave it as a subproject...
[08:38] <ogra> nope
[08:39] <ogra> ivoks, we wont split it out
[08:39] <janimo> ogra, np I dunno what an xcf is anyway :) another graphic format?
[08:39] <ivoks> ogra: for what it's worth (and i'm no merit, since i didn't do a thing for edubuntu), i think edubuntu should print CDs with dapper
[08:39] <janimo> ivoks, thanks for being a fan ;)
[08:39] <ogra> janimo, the base for that image, gimp's default format...
[08:39] <ivoks> ogra: dapper will be a big hit, it would be nice for edubuntu to hit "shops" with dapper
[08:39] <janimo> ogra, ah ok the guy just want to see what it looks like
[08:40] <janimo> to be a simlar concept
[08:40] <janimo> not like a wallpaper
[08:40] <ivoks> all those splashscreens have one nasty bug :)
[08:40] <janimo> ogra, actually I haven't yet talked seriously about buildd and seeds with kamion/jdub yet, I should tomorrow now the RC is off their chest
[08:41] <ivoks> they don't look so good on 16:9 :)
[08:43] <mhz> ogra: I changed 0.1 to 0.2 in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf  What /etc/init.d/ should i restart now?
[08:43] <ivoks> dhcpd
[08:43] <ogra> mhz, 0.1 to 0.1 ??
[08:43] <ogra> err 0.2 ??
[08:44] <ogra> what exactly did you change you dont need to change anything in this file except you changed the complete address range
[08:44] <mhz> dns and router
[08:45] <ogra> ah, ok
[08:45] <mhz> :)
[08:45] <mhz> can I restart dhcp then?
[08:46] <ogra> you should, yes
[08:48] <mhz> thas it??
[08:49] <ivoks> ?
[08:49] <ivoks> omg
[09:15] <mhz> ogra, nop
[09:15] <mhz> :(
[09:15] <ogra> mhz please take a decent image
[09:15] <mhz> but it did boot before breooting
[09:16] <mhz> I mean, it did work for 2 minutes
[09:16] <mhz> but it did not provide any GUI, just a busy box
[09:16] <mhz> (on the client side, i mean)
[09:18] <mhz> i wont give up until this works, no sir.
[09:19] <mhz> could it be because I have eth0 -> web  | eth1 -> internal | dlink router | clients   ??
[09:20] <ogra> mhz, oh, thats a typical preview bug
[09:20] <ogra> the second boot will work
[09:21] <ogra> (it was solved last week)
[09:22] <mhz> any way i can see if ports are running accordingly?
[09:23] <ogra> it works if you saw it booting, everything is fine...
[09:23] <mhz> 3rd try to boot clients... nop
[09:23] <ogra> its a pain in the ares to fix it with the updated initrd to get rid of the "first boot fails" error
[09:24] <ogra> whats the error you see ?
[09:24] <ogra> note that you use a 1 month old kernel version and initrd-tools...
[09:25] <mhz> dhcp  gets tired and provides no ip
[09:25] <mhz> it now does
[09:25] <mhz> !
[09:25] <mhz> I used a crossover cable
[09:25] <mhz> on the 4th try
[09:26] <mhz> ok, here's the error
[09:26] <mhz> Mounting /root/dev on /dev.static/dev failed
[09:26] <mhz> Mounting /dev on /root/dev failed
[09:26] <mhz> Target filessytem has no /sbin/init
[09:27] <mhz> So in entered into a Busybox hing
[09:27] <mhz> :(
[09:28] <mhz> Maybe I should take advantage of the DHCP running and try to work on a TFTP netboot install :D
[09:29] <mhz> but then, I wouldn't have an edubuntu demo
[09:31] <ogra> you really should take a decent iso
[09:31] <ogra> thats all old errors i dont even remember the workarounds for these
[10:50] <crimsun> ogra: out of curiosity, are there RC images?
[10:51] <ogra> nope
[10:51] <crimsun> k.
[10:51] <ogra> i was waiting for the ltsp fix mdz just uploaded
[10:51] <ogra> he didnt allow my original fix...
[10:52] <ogra> but since we work on top of ubuntu, the current daily should be like the RC
[10:52] <crimsun> fix is in the current daily?
[10:53] <ogra> (with the missing fix... so dont change the IP during install, then its fine)
[10:53] <ogra> nope
[10:53] <ogra> in tomorrows
[10:53] <crimsun> tomorrow's
[10:53] <crimsun> gotcha.
[10:53] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[10:53] <ogra> holds the remaining buglist....
[10:53] <ogra> most of them unlikely to be fixed because i dont get the (pending) fixes accepted
[10:54] <ogra> the artwork changes will still go in i think...
[10:54] <ogra> but the rest is blocked
[10:55] <ogra> (i'm only talking about meeting notes from last meeting btw)
[11:11] <lucasvo> hi
[11:12] <ogra> hey
[11:12] <ogra> lucasvo, the guy i was talking about is called Yagisan... he is in .au TZ ...
[11:13] <lucasvo> ogra: what do you mean .au TZ
[11:13] <ogra> australian timezone :)
[11:14] <lucasvo> aha
[11:14] <lucasvo> oh
[11:14] <lucasvo> hm and I am from CH cool on the other side of the globe
[11:14] <ogra> dunno when he'll show up again
[11:14] <ogra> germany here ;)
[11:15] <lucasvo> there isn't any bot here ?
[11:15] <ogra> what for ?
[11:15] <lucasvo> ogra: something like !seen
[11:15] <ogra> nope
[11:15] <ogra> [19:58]  <-- Yagisan hat sich getrennt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[11:16] <ogra> i'm the living bot  ;)
[11:16] <lucasvo> ok
[11:16] <lucasvo> good
[11:18] <lucasvo> how can I test the floppy whith etherboot image without running ltsp?
[11:19] <ogra> as i said in #ltsp , i have no experience with etherboot... only PXE around here
 i'm the living bot  ;)
[11:22] <magnon> I do believe that to be true
[11:22] <ogra> lol
[11:59] <mhz> re
[12:00] <mhz> ogra, so you suggest rsync for this "new" start, right?
[12:00] <ogra> yup
[12:00] <ogra> take a recent image...
[12:01] <ogra> tomorrows will have a small fix that even prevents the install error if you use another IP
[12:02] <mhz> :)
[12:02] <mhz> any good working fool proof howto for that syncing?
[12:03] <ogra> copy your iso in a dri
[12:03] <ogra> dir
[12:03] <ogra> go to that dir
[12:03] <ogra> run:


[17:20] <bobweaver> ping mhall119
[17:20] <mhall119> bobweaver: pong
[17:20] <bobweaver> Hey there how are you today ?
[17:21] <bobweaver> So I am getting around to making the 5 day view for the weather app
[17:21] <mhall119> surprisingly busy for technically being on holiday
[17:21] <bobweaver> but I can not find mockup in canonicals design
[17:21] <bobweaver> if to busy dont worry about it
[17:21] <bobweaver> Like I was looking on here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Weather
[17:22] <bobweaver> Picture 4 ?
[17:22] <mhall119> bobweaver: the canonical design has the next 5 days by scrolling down
[17:22] <bobweaver> Yah that is not going to happen
[17:22] <bobweaver> Not on my end
[17:22] <bobweaver> it is Ubuntu COmpents
[17:22] <bobweaver> can not handle that much info it crashs
[17:22] <bobweaver> Page and Tabs
[17:23] <mhall119> http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-core-utilities-for-ubuntu-on-phones/ has some description to go along with the images
[17:23] <mhall119> the components crash?  That's no good, have you filed a bug?
[17:23] <bobweaver> well ....  Let me re say that. It crashs like 80% of the time
[17:24] <bobweaver> no I have not and zoltan and them all will just think that i am mocking there work
[17:24] <bobweaver> not worth it
[17:24] <bobweaver> mayb
[17:24] <bobweaver> maybe ...
[17:24] <mhall119> file a bug, others can mark it as affecting them too
[17:24] <mhall119> and *I* will hound zoltan about it
[17:24] <bobweaver> Maybe I will look at it to fix and just add patch when filing bug
[17:25] <bobweaver> You know what... I have a video of the bug
[17:25] <mhall119> that would be great too
[17:25] <mhall119> dude, if you can send them a patch, that would be fantastic
[17:26] <bobweaver> https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=V1yIGMRGHPE
[17:26] <bobweaver> bug is at 1:03
[17:26] <bobweaver> see how it just crashs app
[17:27] <mhall119> do you get a stacktrace or something?
[17:28] <bobweaver> nah I am going to run a profiler on it later
[17:28] <bobweaver> at this point I am just trying to get this app done


[00:37] <Xretsim> hello
[00:38] <Xretsim> somebody has also problems after updating with connecting to jabber/xmpp (with ssl/don't know without because on my servers I require ssl enabled)
[00:39] <Xretsim> it's with kopete like with the new internal Instant-Messaging
[00:40] <Xretsim> in the arch forum I read that is have something to do with a openssl patch :/
[02:38] <ussher_> I've lost the global keyboard shortcut location.  I want the one that "switch to desktop to the left" (and right).  I'm pretty sure its somewhere in "Global Keyboard Shortcuts" but cant seam to locate it in 14.04
[02:45] <valorie> ussher_: I use krunner to find things like that
[02:46] <valorie> alt+f4 usually, then just type switch desktop or so
[02:46] <ussher_> havent used krunner before, Ill look. thanks
[02:47] <valorie> oh, you are in for some kde-pleasure then
[02:47] <ussher_> ah, yes i have, but didnt know what it was called.
[02:47] <ussher_> i usually use terminal
[02:47] <valorie> so useful for so many things
[02:47] <valorie> sure, but krunner is right there
[02:48] <valorie> although I use yakuake so the terminal is right there as well
[02:48] <ussher_> that brings up lots of changelog.txt files for me.  I want to set my page left / page right keys to switch desktops, but its something you do once, then it always works, so I've forgotten where to set it. setting up my laptop.
[02:50] <ussher_> think i've found it though under Workspace behaviour -> 'Virtual Desktops'
[02:50] <ussher_> yup
[02:50] <ussher_> thanks valorie, I'll be good til the next time I setup a laptop. :)
[02:50] <valorie> cool
[02:50] <valorie> nice to talk with you
[02:51] <ussher_> you too, you're always helpful.
[02:51] <valorie> thanks!
[02:51] <ussher_> :)
[05:37] <Guest98965> Does anyone know where to find kubuntu 15.10 system requirements?
[05:39] <Guest98965> how much ram required?
[05:39] <valorie> hmmm
[05:39] <valorie> !requirements
[05:40] <valorie> we should be about the same as Unity
[05:40] <Guest98965> thank you valorie
[05:43] <valorie> yw
[06:19] <Alok_> Hi All
[06:19] <Alok_> I am new to Kubuntu.....few days back I installed it and found several bug inside that
[06:20] <Alok_> But the UI was awesome...
[06:20] <Alok_> not sure of 15.4
[06:21] <yeuoa> I am having a difficult time figuring out how to format my usb drive
[06:21] <yeuoa> dolphin doesn't give an option..
[06:23] <yeuoa> i havent found any information from google that has helped at all
[06:23] <Chronotoss> Have you tried a pratition program like gparted? or just looked up the fdisk command? I think it's the fdisk command ... I have to look it up everytime I do it aswell.
[06:23] <valorie> !partition
[06:23] <yeuoa> yes i did try gparted..
[06:24] <Chronotoss> thank you Valorie!
[06:24] <valorie> Chronotoss: ubottu has all kinds of useful stuff
[06:24] <yeuoa> after using gparted ive tried to use unetbootin t
[06:24] <valorie> :-)
[06:24] <yeuoa> and it tells me i must first mount the usb drive to the mountpoint
[06:24] <valorie> yeuoa: dd always works....
[06:24] <valorie> !fstab
[06:25] <valorie> hmmm
[06:25] <valorie> !partitions
[06:25] <valorie> ok, both work
[06:25] <yeuoa> hrm
[06:25] <yeuoa> i installed kubuntu...
[06:25] <yeuoa> from a usb drive.
[06:25] <valorie> ok
[06:25] <yeuoa> i am needing to format this usb drive, so i can put xubuntu on it
[06:25] <valorie> that's how most of us do it
[06:26] <yeuoa> kubuntu is running really slow
[06:26] <valorie> ok
[06:26] <valorie> !dd
[06:26] <yeuoa> i cant get kubuntu off the damn usb stick
[06:26] <yeuoa> because the geniuses that made this didnt add a format option
[06:26] <valorie> when you try to put xubuntu on it, it will remove kubuntu
[06:26] <yeuoa> it will not let me....it tells me i have to first mount it to a mountpoint
[06:27] <yeuoa> and that is using unetbootin
[06:27] <valorie> so use dd
[06:27] <yeuoa> wtf is dd?
[06:27] <valorie> or kde-partition-manager
[06:27] <Chronotoss> Run the following command, replacing /dev/sdx with your drive, e.g. /dev/sdb. (do not append a partition number, so do not use something like /dev/sdb1)
[06:27] <Chronotoss> dd bs=4M if=/path/to/archlinux.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync
[06:27] <Chronotoss> from my notes on dd
[06:27] <Chronotoss> off the wiki for arch
[06:28] <yeuoa> is there a terminal command to format ?
[06:28] <yeuoa> surely there is
[06:28] <valorie> http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[06:28] <valorie> yeuoa: dd is the one
[06:28] <yeuoa> what does dd stand for?
[06:30] <Chronotoss> disk destroyer
[06:30] <yeuoa> ok
[06:30] <Chronotoss> But really you just point the code correctly and wait and it works.
[06:30] <valorie> http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/dd-invocation.html#dd-invocation
[06:31] <valorie> or man dd from the commandline
[06:31] <valorie> *wait* being the important part
[06:31] <valorie> it's not fast
[06:31] <valorie> just good
[06:31] <yeuoa> i can't get kubuntu to mount my usb drive..
[06:31] <valorie> good enough to wreck your HD if you do the command wrong
[06:31] <yeuoa> so its hard getting anything to work at this point
[06:31] <Chronotoss> True that.
[06:32] <yeuoa> i even restarted the computer before i came in here..its not working
[06:32] <valorie> yeuoa: the device manager doesn't see it?
[06:32] <yeuoa> no
[06:32] <valorie> and yet you installed from it
[06:32] <Chronotoss> you should be able to see your drive with lsblk command
[06:32] <yeuoa> valorie, it was working fine until i used gparted a few ago
[06:33] <valorie> ah
[06:33] <valorie> then unfortunately it might be wrecked
[06:33] <valorie> they seem to die rather easily
[06:33] <yeuoa> Chronotoss, yes lsblk finds the drive
[06:34] <Chronotoss> okay so it's not mounted, gparted will unmount a disk before use.
[06:34] <valorie> cool
[06:34] <Chronotoss> you can still dd to install then whoo!
[06:36] <yeuoa> im getting nowhere here
[06:37] <valorie> don't let me scare you out of using dd
[06:37] <yeuoa> dd: failed to open ‘/path/to/archlinux.iso’: No such file or directory
[06:37] <valorie> do you have the iso of xubuntu downloaded and verified?
[06:37] <valorie> !
[06:37] <yeuoa> yes
[06:38] <valorie> you put that path to *that* there
[06:38] <yeuoa> i see.
[06:38] <yeuoa> i am a newb bear with me
[06:38] <valorie>  like ~/Downloads/xubuntu.iso <--- only use the real path, and real name
[06:38] <yeuoa> got it
[06:39] <valorie> and it must be exact
[06:39] <Chronotoss> if you want to know the path to the file, right click it and go to properties, then that's your path, then add the filename at the end.
[06:40] <yeuoa> ok maybe its working now
[06:40] <yeuoa> the drive is flashing...but i dont see any progress bars or anything heh
[06:40] <Chronotoss> Youwont
[06:40] <yeuoa> ok
[06:41] <yeuoa> and you say this takes a long time?
[06:41] <Chronotoss> depends on the file and speed of the bus your working with. for me it was two minutes for a ~500 meg
[06:41] <yeuoa> ok
[06:41] <yeuoa> xubuntu was 1g
[06:42] <yeuoa> and this is creating a bootable iso image on the usb
[06:42] <yeuoa> ?
[06:42] <valorie> most of the isos are a gig, yeah
[06:42] <valorie> yes
[06:42] <yeuoa> ok
[06:43] <valorie> yeuoa: you realize you can just install xubuntu-desktop and run that, right?
[06:43] <valorie> you do not have to do another install
[06:43] <valorie> you can, but do not have to
[06:43] <yeuoa> no i did not know that
[06:43] <valorie> that is one of the strengths of the ubuntu base
[06:44] <valorie> you can run unity, gnome, kde, lxde, xfce just by installing them
[06:44] <yeuoa> i had no clue
[06:44] <yeuoa> but kubuntu seems sluggish and i was wanting to try xubuntu
[06:44] <valorie> oh, and mate
[06:45] <valorie> !releases
[06:45] <valorie> oh, that doesn't have the flavors, sorry
[06:45] <yeuoa> how do i just install xubuntu from here?
[06:46] <valorie> in the commandline: sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <yeuoa> thats awesome
[06:47] <yeuoa> thank you
[06:47] <valorie> indeed!
[06:47] <valorie> all the flavor people are cool
[06:47] <valorie> not that unity people aren't
[06:47] <yeuoa> and to try the others..i would use sudo apt install gnome-desktop?
[06:48] <valorie> but I know more of the flavor teams
[06:48] <valorie> mmmm
[06:48] <valorie> !gnome
[06:48] <valorie> !ubuntu-gnome
[06:48] <yeuoa> im not sure how one remembers all these commands lol
[06:48] <Chronotoss> Use them, over and over and over
[06:48] <Chronotoss> and write them XD
[06:48] <valorie> oh, I just guess what ubottu knows
[06:49] <valorie> when I get it wrong, it says it doesn't know, in private
[06:49] <valorie> lol
[06:49] <Chronotoss> gotta love bots
[06:50] <valorie> pfff, I don't know if it's still gnome-desktop or gnome-shell or what in the command
[06:50] <valorie> but at worst you just get an error message
[06:51] <rww> ubuntu-gnome-desktop for the Ubuntu GNOME stuff. gnome-shell for upstream
[06:51] <valorie> I like the gnome people, but not the desktop
[06:51] <valorie> thanks, rww
[06:51] <rww> (comparable to kubuntu-desktop vs. whatever y'all use instead of kde-standard)
[06:52] <rww> plasma-desktop i think
[06:52] <valorie> yup
[06:53] <Chronotoss> I never saw a need to install multiple desktop types. Is there a use?
[06:53] <valorie> testing, I guess?
[06:54] <valorie> I've only done it once, and it was for that reason
[06:55] <Chronotoss> I've installed a new desktop, but that was getting rid of gnome for K
[06:56] <valorie> well, I did that a couple of times too
[06:57] <Chronotoss> right now I"m trying to figure out why my ~/.cache/dconf folder has a root owner.
[06:57] <valorie> chroot it
[06:57] <valorie> you probably ran something as sudo when you shouldn't have
[06:58] <valorie> or used sudo instead of kdesudo
[06:58] <Chronotoss> I did that... I also tried to nuke it in tty and reboot and it came back that way again.
[06:58] <valorie> well, you can log out, then move or delete it
[06:58] <valorie> but if you haven't logged out, it is *instantly* recreated
[06:59] <Chronotoss> I was logged out and nuked it under another user.
[06:59] <valorie> hmmm
[07:00] <valorie> well, try chown -R username folder/
[07:00] <Chronotoss> Did that.
[07:00] <valorie> you can do it on your whole ~/home
[07:00] <valorie> although it will take longer
[07:00] <Chronotoss> My home is small thank god.
[07:02] <Chronotoss> it's not affecting anything right now, at least from what I can tell, but I've been told there should be no root owner in my home. So I've been looking it over. deleting it, looking things up and trying it.
[07:02] <valorie> right, that's part of the definition of $HOME
[07:02] <valorie> vs / (root)
[07:02] <Chronotoss> Right.
[07:06] <yeuoa> valorie, ok its done, now what
[07:06] <valorie> yeuoa: what's done?
[07:06] <yeuoa> the xubuntu desktop install
[07:07] <valorie> logout, and grub should let you choose
[07:07] <yeuoa> ok ill try thanks
[07:07] <valorie> oops, I was going to say, you may need to update grub
[07:08] <Chronotoss> I was about to say, at this point you should only get to it at log-in right?
[07:08] <valorie> yeah
[07:12] <yejaf> valorie, i didnt get a choice...it just booted into this
[07:12] <yejaf> valorie, has a pic of a mouse on the desktop lol
[07:12] <valorie> then you have xubuntu
[07:12] <yejaf> hmm ok and kubuntu is gone theni guess
[07:13] <valorie> you might need to update grub if you want to switch back and forth
[07:13] <valorie> nope, not gone
[07:13] <valorie> !grub
[07:14] <valorie> just run `update-grub`
[07:14] <valorie> in the commandline
[07:15] <Chronotoss> I want to optimize the video a little bit more, makes my crappy laptop nvidia cry. any Thoughts?
[07:16] <valorie> !nvidia
[07:16] <mJImmer> any one know how to start orca in sddm ?  I am writing a theme and all I can think is to use qprocess
[07:16] <mJImmer> gsettings is not working
[07:17] <mJImmer> like use qprocess -> then use gesttings would be super annoying for it to start out the bat
[07:20] <Chronotoss> Humm interesting reading. I don't know if it will help but i'll have to read all the material first to be sure.
[07:22] <mJImmer> Yeah it is like because there is no user that I can not use it.  But I can 100% access all the Gsettings with a custom class so not sure *Oo
[07:23] <Chronotoss> Ohh I'm sorry mJImmer, I was responding to valorie. I've never written a theme before so I cannot help too much.
[07:24] <valorie> mJImmer: probably best to ask in #kde-devel, or perhaps better in #kde-accessibility
[07:24] <mJImmer> that is fine I will figure it out.
[07:25] <mJImmer> crazy thing is I have to keep on droping to shell to test lol brb
[07:26] <valorie> well, I've used orca before to test, so it works in kubuntu
[07:26] <Chronotoss> I guess themes are difficult to make? I've been pondering as well a way to control each applications volume, I know you should be able to. have yet to figure out how.
[07:34] <valorie> Chronotoss: can look at other themes and see how they do it
[07:36] <Chronotoss> I could, then I would have to take my time away from my other tinkerings and start a new tinkering. I have alot on my plate right now as I'm leaning Plasma and Kubuntu, as well as more about Linux.
[07:50] <sun-ch> hellO_o
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:21] <Smurphy> Morning
[09:23] <lordievader> Hey Smurphy, how are you doing?
[11:39] <Smurphy> lordievader: Sorry. In calls all day ... -> doing work.
[12:17] <ejay> Hi all. Is there any way to install i386 dev libs and keep 64bit libs? I want to compile wine so I need couple of 32bit libs but, for example, when trying to install dbus:i386 apt-get want to remove dbus package and I want to avoid that. Any ideas?
[12:17] <soee> ejay: i think better to ask on #ubuntu :)
[12:18] <Smurphy> ejay: But it is possible, yes.
[12:18] <ejay> Smurphy: how?
[12:21] <ejay> Now I'm like - how badly I effed up my OS because I just installed a bunch of i386 libs including xrandr and x11 and such and never took a look if apt-get is removing anything I need.
[13:06] <clivejo> ejay: have you tried setting up a i386 chroot environment?
[13:22] <ejay> clivejo: I have not.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:46] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Howdy
[13:47] <BluesKaj> hi hazamonzo
[13:55] <uebera||> Hi. Is it just me or is it currently not possible to run "kvm -cdrom xenial-desktop-amd64.iso" on a 15.10 (x64) host without triggering a kernel panic ("VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)")? (It works using VirtualBox, though.)
[13:56] <uebera||> The same goes for kubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso, btw.
[15:08] <kitty> there is no audio in online flash videos. what to do?
[15:23] <LLL> Turn up volume.
[16:21] <esperegu> I just upgraded to 15.10 from 14.04 and now when I try to log in kwin crashed continuesly so I don't even get a desktop. Someone knows how to fix that?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> esperegu:  clean install?
[16:24] <esperegu> BluesKaj: I am afraid to lose my stuff....
[16:26] <esperegu> (besides having to reconfigure everything)
[16:26] <esperegu> BluesKaj: its not windows is it? ;-)
[16:28] <BluesKaj> esperegu, skipping over a release even though it's EOL requires a clean install, unless you have  separate / (root) and /home partitions, then you can install to / and all your conf files and data will be saved from the previous install
[16:50] <esperegu> BluesKaj: all on one partition. I did not skip the upgrade. just immediately after reboot upgraded again.
[16:50] <esperegu> the first upgrade was stuck initially by the way
[16:52] <BluesKaj> esperegu, so where are you stuck ?
[16:53] <esperegu> BluesKaj: now by the crash of kwin. I am now removing all kubuntu desktop related packages and will try to reinstall them
[16:53] <esperegu> hope that will let me in again.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> esperegu, can you get to a vt/tty to update, upgrade and install packages?
[16:56] <esperegu> BluesKaj: I am logged in via ssh
[16:57] <esperegu> BluesKaj: just removed a lot of packages. now installing kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <BluesKaj> also install plasma-desktop
[16:58] <esperegu> BluesKaj: kubuntu-desktop depends on it....
[17:00] <BluesKaj> esperegu, you may be stuck due to 14.10 being EOL with no active repositories, so my advice is to change the /etc/apt/sources.list debs from utopis to vivid, if you think that's the problem
[17:00] <BluesKaj> utopia rather
[17:01] <esperegu> I thought it had to do with plasma so I moved my .kde folder but that made no difference
[17:05] <duilio_brenta> boh... mi sò scassat' u' cazz!
[17:05] <BluesKaj> esperegu, sudo sed -i 's/utopia/vivid/' /etc/apt/sources.list'
[17:06] <BluesKaj> that command will change your sources.list to 15.04 and update and upgrade should work
[17:07] <BluesKaj> drop the quote mark at the end
[17:07] <BluesKaj> sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:08] <BluesKaj> oops esperegu don't copy and paste  the above
[17:09] <BluesKaj> that's an example I keep in my cli commands text file
[17:13] <esperegu> BluesKaj: but it's already at 15.10
[17:21] <BluesKaj> esperegu, your sources.list shows wily ?
[17:22] <esperegu> BluesKaj: think so. lemme check. its now rebooting
[17:23] <esperegu> BluesKaj: jep
[17:24] <michel_> hi, i wanna add a Telegram account but when i try it says you need morse for that to work but there is no morse package related! what can i do? :c
[17:25] <BluesKaj> ok , esperegu, still having upgrade freeze
[17:25] <esperegu> BluesKaj: no. but still crashing on kwin
[17:25] <esperegu> BluesKaj: think it is an xorg.conf issue
[17:26] <BluesKaj> do you have an xorg.conf file?
[17:26] <esperegu> yes
[17:26] <esperegu> BluesKaj: without it it starts the desktop. but of course not with my monitors properly....
[17:27] <esperegu> BluesKaj: food first. brb
[17:27] <BluesKaj> best to delete it and start over with nothing and let the default graphics driver do the work
[17:27] <BluesKaj> then find the right driver for your gpu and install it
[17:44] <BigFredy> i have a fresh install of ubuntu 14.04 LTS with Unity, anything to know before installing KDE ?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> BigFredy, install kubuntu-desktop and then you can choose which desktop you want to use at login
[17:47] <esperegu> BluesKaj: is it possible to disable a driver?
[17:47] <BigFredy> BluesKaj : Thanks, i'm on the way.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> esperegu, which driver needs disabling?
[17:47] <esperegu> BluesKaj: well. I see intel and nvidia in xorg
[17:48] <BluesKaj> esperegu, do you have hybrid gpus / optimus system?
[17:49] <esperegu> BluesKaj: desktop with 2 Nvidia cards (and build in video)
[17:49] <esperegu> BluesKaj: I used the 2 nvidia cards with xinerama
[17:50] <BluesKaj> esperegu,did you see my suggestion above about deleting your xorg.conf for now and using the default to keep things stable til we get your setup syraightened out?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> straightened out even
[17:51] <esperegu> BluesKaj: yes. I am running without xorg.conf atm
[17:51] <esperegu> BluesKaj: it logs in now
[17:51] <esperegu> (no crashes)
[17:51] <BluesKaj> ok , are pci gpus the same chip?
[17:51] <esperegu> think so
[17:52] <esperegu> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 520] (rev a1
[17:52] <esperegu> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF119 [GeForce GT 520] (rev a1)
[17:53] <BluesKaj> esperegu, ok looks good, check in system settings>driver manager for the recommended nvidia driver ..probly the nvidia-340 or 352
[17:54] <esperegu> Xorg.0.log: NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  340.96  Sun Nov  8 21:46:28 PST 2015
[17:55] <BluesKaj> esperegu, ok in the terminal,  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[17:56] <esperegu>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[17:56] <esperegu>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[17:56] <BluesKaj> ok , then you're good to go
[17:57] <esperegu> BluesKaj: what then?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> esperegu, I'm not very knowledgeable about multiple monitors, unfortunately , but I'm ure someone else here can help with that or you could ask in #ubuntu or #kde
[17:59] <esperegu> BluesKaj: looks like a bug.. .reading up on it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343844
[18:00] <BluesKaj> I have to go push some snow..we had a storm yesterday...BBL
[18:10] <esperegu> so what can I install so I can get the version mentioned in the bug report? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343844#c64
[18:43] <esperegu> anyone? how to get the latest plasma in kubuntu?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> esperegu, depends, if you're willing to try unstable ppas on launchpad
[18:46] <esperegu> BluesKaj: preferably as stable as possible of course.
[18:46] <esperegu> BluesKaj: there no releases?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> the plasma 5.5.3 for wily isn't totally packaged yet, the devs are still working out the kinks
[18:48] <esperegu> BluesKaj: and 5.5.2 ?
[18:49] <esperegu> BluesKaj: according to that comment it is fixed in 5.5
[18:50] <BluesKaj> 5.4.3 goes to 5.5.3 next afaik
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ok , back to the snow...bbl
[19:20] <BigFredy> BluesKaj : i am back with KDE desktop but something is wrong with the keyboard
[19:20] <estan_> hi. does Kubuntu provide source DVDs like Debian does? (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd/).
[19:22] <estan_> i'm thinking for the convenience of hardware vendors shipping Kubuntu pre-installed, which need to provide the source for all shipped GPL software on durable media, or a written offer to provide it that is valid for 3 years.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> BigFredy, make sure you update and upgrade now
[19:26] <BigFredy> update & upgrade done
[19:27] <BluesKaj> estan_, images are only available for download. The dvd/cd disks are no longer available
[19:28] <BluesKaj> BigFredy, ok , install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:29] <estan_> BluesKaj: bah. sorry i phrased it wrong, i meant DVD ISOs.
[19:29] <estan_> BluesKaj: and note that i meant source DVD ISOs, not the regular install media, but the sources (like at the debian URL above).
[19:31] <BigFredy> BluesKaj : Perfect ! keyboard works fine now
[19:33] <BluesKaj> estan_, there no disk with isos available whether source or regular install media, whatever you mean by that
[19:35] <BigFredy> Other thing, in the taskbar the keyboard icon let me only choose English, no way to change ibus settings
[19:38] <estan_> BluesKaj: sorry, i'm unclear. i'm not asking about physical DVD for purchase, but ISO images, like you can download at http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ . but those are the regular install media. i meant source ISOs, containing the source of all the packages.
[19:38] <estan_> at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd/ , Debian offers 11 DVDs containing the source of all the packages in Debian. i was just thinking if Kubuntu has the equivalent somewhere.
[19:40] <estan_> i'm guessing that Debian offers those as a convenience for hardware vendors that wish to ship Debian pre-installed, and immediately satisfy the requirement of GPL to provide the source by including those DVDs, instead of having to make an offer (valid for 3 years) to provide it, which is the other option in the GPL.
[19:40] <denza242> estan_: like a mirror of the sources?
[19:40] <estan_> denza242: well yes, but put into ISO images for convenient burning.
[19:40] <denza242> hmm
[19:41] <estan_> the GPL requires it to be on physical media, if you take the option of providing the source straight away at the time you sell it.
[19:41] <estan_> so i guess that's why Debian has those ISOs.
[19:41] <estan_> (if you take the option of making a 3-year promise to provide the source, you're allowed to do so through a network)
[19:41] <denza242> estan_: https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/ubuntu/ubuntu-1510-software-repository-64bit.html
[19:43] <estan_> denza242: that does not seem to be the source of the packages, but the packages themselves.
[19:43] <estan_> but i guess there's no equivalent to those Debian ISOs for Kubuntu.
[19:43] <denza242> estan_: it can be used as a repository
[19:43] <denza242> wait
[19:44] <estan_> of course.
[19:44] <denza242> estan_: like, the source code of the packages?
[19:44] <estan_> yes. like the Debian ISOs.
[19:44] <denza242> hmm
[19:44] <estan_> i'm asking about the source code. i'm mainly interested from a hardware vendor point of view.
[19:45] <denza242> estan_: also, there probably won't be a "Kubuntu" one, since Kubuntu pulls all packages from Ubuntu
[19:46] <estan_> i see. there are no Kubuntu specific packages what so ever?
[19:46] <BigFredy> I think there an issue with my Ibus preferences
[19:47] <denza242> estan_: there's kubuntu packages, but nothing that can't be downloaded from the main ubuntu repositories
[19:47] <BigFredy> when reload, it set my keyboard to qwerty
[19:47] <denza242> i.e. kubuntu-desktop
[19:47] <estan_> because as a hardware vendor, if you ship GPL software preinstalled, you are obliged to offer the source, either on durable media (like DVDs, bluerays) as part of the sale, or as a valid-for-3-year offer to provide it either on durable media or for download.
[19:47] <estan_> denza242: alright.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> estan_, if you check the kubuntu sources.list you see the src debs listed there, if that's what you mean
[19:47] <denza242> ^
[19:48] <denza242> BluesKaj: how does system76 do it?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> denza242, I assume they follow the FOSS rules for vendor installation OSs, whatever they might be.
[19:49] <denza242> estan_: I would ask these guys how they handle the issue with source https://system76.com/
[19:49] <estan_> BluesKaj: yes. sure. i know that i can always gather the sources myself. i was just wondering if there was anything as convenient as what Debian has, pre-made DVD ISOs with all the sources.
[19:49] <denza242> estan_: tried looking and got nothing
[19:50] <estan_> denza242: yea. i would guess that most vendors don't take the first option of the GPL (to ship the code at the time of purchase), but take the offer route instead.
[19:50] <estan_> yea. i think it doesn't exist. thanks for looking.
[19:50] <denza242> estan_: sorry we couldn't find it for you
[19:50] <denza242> good luck
[19:51] <estan_> i'm just thinking. if i was a hardware vendor, i wouldn't count on repositories et.c. being available, since i'll be legally obliged to provide the source for 3 years, i would want to have my own private mirror.
[19:51] <denza242> estan_: if you have the bandwidth, you could host a mirror yourself
[19:51] <estan_> that's why it's more convenient in a way to provide the source up-front at the time you sell the machine. because then you've complied with GPL and don't have to think about it.
[19:51] <estan_> heh yea.
[19:52] <estan_> i think those 11 Debian DVDs ISOs would fit exactly on one dual-layer Bluray disc btw :)
[19:53] <estan_> so if you don't sell many machines (which is my situation), then shipping the source at the time i sell the machine would be more convenient than having to make sure it's available somewhere for 3 years.
[19:53] <estan_> (and it's three years after you provided the object code _or_ after you provided the last spare part for the machine).
[19:53] <estan_> GPL is complicated :)
[20:06] <Bigfredy_> how to install more inputs methods in Ibus ?
[20:14] <BigFredy> ibus input method French added, did'nt saw the arrow at first sight, then it was easy
[20:51] <esperegu> BluesKaj: which ppa u advice?
[21:04] <Bigfredy> BluesKaj: Thanks for help, everything is fine now. KDE is running
[21:35] <ArmOrAttAk> guys i'm using 14.10 and i can't apt-get update. us.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com not found. where are the utopic repos?
[21:40] <genii> It's End Of Life
[21:41] <genii> !14.10
[21:41] <ArmOrAttAk> !upgrade
[21:45] <genii> !eolupgrade
[21:45] <genii> There, that one
[21:45]  * genii wanders back to work
[21:45] <ArmOrAttAk> thanks genii
[21:48] <genii> ubottu: 14.10 is <reply> Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) was the 21st release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 23rd, 2015. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/utopic
[21:48] <genii> ubottu: no 14.10 is <reply> Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) was the 21st release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 23rd, 2015. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/utopic
[21:48]  * genii makes more coffee
[22:39] <anabain> what is the correct way to get rid of baloo in 15.10?


[00:01] <Greenfrog> dont come up with anything
[00:01] <Greenfrog> dpg-reconfigure?
[00:02] <Greenfrog> ok ls-f
[00:03] <Greenfrog> wait lemme ck my puppies
[00:06] <Greenfrog> ok lexa wanted a carrot
[00:06] <Greenfrog> done
[00:06] <Greenfrog> um ls-r
[00:06] <Greenfrog> ok brb
[00:08] <Greenfrog> ls-r not found
[00:10]  * Greenfrog feels he's reaching the end of his rope
[00:17] <valorie> Greenfrog: what exactly is the issue?
[00:18] <valorie> what I read above seems to be left-over from a conversation not in this channel
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[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:05] <alekksander> hello. is there a reason why i don't see firefox 66 yet? previously i used customized build and it worked differently with updates. how does it look on official?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> alekksander, because FF65 is default on the latest release
[14:28] <OerHeks> alekksander, ff66 is released yesterday, wait for the maintainers to build
[14:28] <BluesKaj> alekksander, FF66 is default on Kubuntu 19.04 release in april
[14:28] <OerHeks> && test
[14:36] <alekksander> thanks
[16:37] <sacarde> hi
[16:56] <sacarde> in kubuntu18.04 can you confirm me that is possible to crypt home dir from installation?
[16:58] <sacarde> like this: http://sacarde.altervista.org/np/kubu1804-encrypt1.jpg
[20:49] <valorie> sacarde: you are supposed to be able to do so, but I've not been successful
[20:50] <valorie> and have filed bug reports about that