[09:50] <NCommander> lamont, cool
[09:51] <NCommander> jbailey_, no idea on HPPA upstream
[12:48] <NCommander> good morning lamont
[12:49] <lamont> NCommander: g'morning
[12:49] <NCommander> lamont, did you get a chance to try the ia64/hppa CDs?
[12:49] <lamont> I'll make some time this morning to deal with the boot attempts
[12:49]  * lamont has to actually hook up the B180 somewhere, and then find a monitor for the zx2000
[12:49] <lamont> since I stole that monitor a while ago
[12:50] <lamont> and headless install testing kinda sucks
[12:50] <NCommander> lamont, its nothing high priority (I also should note SPARC needs some love now that I see that d-i is broken on it ;.;


[00:09] <Dr-007> im experiencing this error after a pretty fresh ubuntu install: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1288626/ubuntu-20-10-sssd-system-security-services-daemon-failure
[00:09] <Dr-007> should i just disable it?
[00:09] <Dr-007> thats what theyre saying but it seems pretty important
[00:10] <sarnold> if you don't use sssd you could probably just purge it
[00:11] <Dr-007> but what does it do?
[00:11] <Dr-007> seems important with the term security in its name
[00:11] <tomreyn> note that you have not indicated the error message nor your ubuntu release.
[00:12] <Dr-007> oh yeah, let me make a paste
[00:12] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd
[00:13] <Dr-007> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2q7nXRkwqF/
[00:19] <tomreyn> so it's possibly ubuntu 20.04 LTS with the HWE kernel, and there is no error.
[00:20] <MrCollinsGA> hey guys. I have been doing some major reading on ubuntu all day. Is there a way to tell a script that it must have highest cpu priority, generally speaking? Ubuntu 20.04 terminal
[00:22] <sarnold> MrCollinsGA: nice -20 would probably do it
[00:22] <MrCollinsGA> ive been reading about that as well. thank you. I didnt want to try it and 'bork' something
[00:23] <sarnold> you're probably pretty safe with that -- other processes can still get to the CPU by default, just not to the same level of fairness
[00:23] <MrCollinsGA> sarnold, thank you very much :)
[00:23] <sarnold> there's also realtime scheduling priorities that are far more powerful, but I would be very reluctant to use those on a script; they're also a lot easier to make things pretty unusable if the software isn't written correctly
[00:24] <sarnold> definitely try nice -20 before looking at the realtime scheduling stuff
[00:25] <MrCollinsGA> arnold so in essence /foo/bar/script.sh nice -20 && (if I had to have the && for some reason)
[00:25] <MrCollinsGA> would the nice -20 come before or after arguements or doesnt matter?
[00:25] <sarnold> MrCollinsGA: the other way around -- nice -20 /foo/bar/script.sh
[00:26] <MrCollinsGA> ahhhh!
[00:26] <MrCollinsGA> ok thank you! :) got it
[00:34] <Dr-007> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d4vHR2RQbV/
[00:34] <Dr-007> but yeah i saw your url and its stuff i dont need
[00:34] <Dr-007> so ill uninstall
[00:40] <rdr> does anyone know why gnome-boxes vm wouldn't be able to see a device on my LAN?
[00:41] <sarnold> what networking options does gnome-boxes offer? you probably want bridged if you're going to want it on your network
[01:44] <jhutchins> rdr: Start small and work up.  Can it see the host?  Can it see the LAN, or anything on it?
[01:44] <rdr> oh i figured it out thanks
[01:44] <rdr> i had to use virt-manager and set up a bridged connection
[01:44] <jhutchins> rdr: What documentation are you using to set up your host/guest?
[01:45] <jhutchins> rdr: Yeah, that sounds right.
[02:10] <lain6141> Can somebody please help me setting up external monitor please?
[02:11] <luckiswithme> lain6141: wayland session?
[02:11] <luckiswithme> what's the problem?
[02:12] <lain6141> I'm trying to connect the primary display which is my laptop with external monitor.
[02:12] <jhutchins> luckiswithme: What happens when you plug it in and turn it on?
[02:12] <lain6141> It scales to 200% too
[02:12] <lain6141> ^^ I meant external monitor
[02:13] <lain6141> I want something like scale of 100% on external monitor
[02:13] <luckiswithme> change it in the settings
[02:13] <luckiswithme> go to settings > display > scale to 100%
[02:14] <lain6141> Yeah I tried but it doesn't allow two different scaling
[02:14] <lain6141> If I apply 200% to lapop then it automatically configures 200% to external monitor too
[02:15] <lain6141> If it helps I tried nvidia x server settings but it shows prime displays cannot be controlled by nvidia-settings and must be configured by an external RandR capable tool.
[02:15] <lain6141> Also I tryied enabling fraction scaling but everything lags and becomes buggy.
[02:16] <luckiswithme> yes but what happens when you select the individual screen and try to scale it
[02:16] <lain6141> from display settings?
[02:17] <lain6141> It does get selected but when I hit apply it applies to both the screen.
[02:22] <sarnold> lain6141: maybe this xrandr --scale can help https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HiDPI#Multiple_displays
[02:22] <jhutchins> lain6141: So have you tried configuring it with an external R&R capable tool?
[02:24] <lain6141> sarnold: jhutchins: Nope, I'm scared using xrandr as I've read it's hard to reconfigure or reset once it gets bad
[02:25] <sarnold> lain6141: meh, worst case you reboot
[02:25] <lain6141> It if helps my laptop screen resolution is 2880 X 1620 pixels and external monitor is 1280 X 1024.
[02:25] <sarnold> lain6141: it doesn't do anything permanent, it only affects a running system
[02:25] <lain6141> sarnold: I see
[06:16] <pingpongball> Hey ubuntu babes
[06:16] <pingpongball> and also coredevelopers
[06:16] <pingpongball> If here is core ubuntu *snapd* developer here.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> !snap
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> !snappy
[06:17] <pingpongball> I'll love to see *snapd*  , as *Soysystemd free*
[06:17] <pingpongball> I cant install on systemd free environment.
[06:17] <pingpongball> ;(
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> in this channel we focus on ubuntu support issues pingpongball
[06:18] <pingpongball> oh ok fine , Thank you for supporting O:3
[06:18] <pingpongball> oh i use arch btw
[07:42] <Gallomimia> any idea how i can make ubuntu 21.10 keep playing music thru my HDMI connection after turning off the screens for night?
[07:42] <Gallomimia> nothing cooperates these days
[07:47] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I don't know if this is the right channel. If not, suggest other ones.
[07:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Im working with an epub. I have heavily edited it, marked text, added quotations...
[07:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I changed the file's name and now all my annotations are gone
[07:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how is this data stored? where do I find it?
[07:51] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I renamed the file back, all my annotations are back, but I still want to rename the epub. How do I proceed?
[07:58] <tomreyn> Scrappy: you seem to have messaged me a couple times lately. please note that i drop personal messages by default. do you have an ubuntu support question? if so, please ask here, if not, i'm also in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[08:00] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: it would be good if you could provide more information on whihc ubuntu version you're using and, most of all, which editor you used.
[08:01] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Ubuntu21.10 and E-book viewer
[08:03] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I have found an option to export my highlights (annotations n stuff), but there is not an option to import them to a renamed epub
[08:04] <tomreyn> this seems to be Calibre
[08:05] <Woet> I have set vm swappiness to 0 and despite having 26 GB of RAM available, my swap is still being used. How can I avoid this and use swap only as an emergency? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Woet/b4088bf2383ed03ee4af898771fa24f8/raw/2307ddbb7ebb76583e84de51787ae53fa805caa6/gistfile1.txt
[08:07] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: you could try asking in #calibre
[08:07] <Leoneof> gneeriiloeepdeer: you can save that file in with filename, solved?
[08:07] <Leoneof> with *new*
[08:08] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I savved the epub to a new filename and all my highlights disappeared. Highlights are now saved as an external md file
[08:10] <Leoneof> weird
[08:11] <rfm> Woet, aomethimg you're running must be leaking memory;  the most effective way I know is to just swapoff after a reboot and see what crashes with ENOMEM...
[08:12] <Woet> rfm: I know what's using it, they're just regular processes that like eating RAM (like Java)
[08:12] <Woet> the problem is, I don't want them to use it unless there is no memory at all
[08:13] <Woet> when I use swapoff, nothing crashes, because there is plenty of RAM :)
[08:13] <Woet> in fact, if I run swapoff -a now, the "available" column in "free -m" just goes down by the same amount of swap that was in use
[08:17] <Woet> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Woet/667458af6789a88c2da762b66d8e320e/raw/726c88485cb2f66a035bb2b4f2d2762138a3ee3b/gistfile1.txt
[08:17] <Woet> like this (other server)
[08:18] <tomreyn> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.html#swappiness describes the effect of swappiness=0. see also the vfs_cache_pressure and watermark_* descriptions on this page. or just keep it as it is, and focus on relevant topics. ;-)
[08:19] <Woet> tomreyn: sure, I can keep it as it is and focus on buying a new SSD because this one died an early life due to swap writes :)
[08:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> does any of you have any idea how to contact the creator of e-book viewer? he doesnt list any contact information: https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/edit.html#renaming-files
[08:44] <ducasse> gneeriiloeepdeer: they have facebook and twitter accounts, https://calibre-ebook.com/help
[08:48] <Maik> gneeriiloeepdeer: it's not a ubuntu support question so ask for help at #calibre where you already are or have a look on their website
[08:53] <Maik> Scrappy: fix your connection, again, please
[09:12] <tomreyn> Woet: might be worth it. current (and the past ~5 years') SSD models won't repeat that scenario.
[09:13] <Woet> tomreyn: Data Units Read:                    373,869,472 [191 TB]
[09:13] <Woet> :(
[09:15] <tomreyn> Woet: SSDs are different, not the way data is read or written to a swap partition on them
[09:20] <tomreyn> (although the "discard" mount option is 'new' (Linux 2.6.29) for swap)
[09:56] <DrNostril> hi all
[09:56] <DrNostril> my thinkpad with ubuntu 20 LTS keeps dropping off my wifi every couple hours
[09:56] <DrNostril> the only way to get it back on is to restart the machine
[09:57] <DrNostril> dmesg -w reveals:
[09:57] <DrNostril> thinkpad_acpi: unhandled HKEY event 0x6031
[09:57] <DrNostril> what the h is happening
[10:57] <CapeTown77> hi all
[10:58] <CapeTown77> There is a problem in ubuntu that has been lingering for close on 20 years
[10:59] <CapeTown77> It isn't possible to change date/time/currency/numberic formats for a country and so for countries that accept more than one standard, that is a major problem.
[11:00] <CapeTown77> Example is South Africa that accepts both , and . as separaters for decimal places. Comma used to be more dominant pre-1990. Point is more dominant now. It isn't possible to change this on Ubuntu.
[11:00] <CapeTown77> That effectively makes office packages like LibreOffice unusable
[11:02] <ducasse> CapeTown77: have you looked at the LC_* variables?
[11:03] <CapeTown77> Yes. But if can't fix the issue without rebuilding LC files.
[11:04] <ducasse> is there a bug filed?
[11:04] <CapeTown77> I can change comma to decimal by using another country's locale but I still have the problem with currency otherwise the currency symbol changes to that country's symbol
[11:04] <CapeTown77> There have been two bugs that have been open for over a decade
[11:05] <CapeTown77> It's quite a well known issue if you google it.
[11:05] <ducasse> only thing i can suggest is mark yourself as affected and comment on the bug report
[11:05] <CapeTown77> Done that previous but got shot down by moderators
[11:06] <CapeTown77> Also tried addressing it through LibreOffice
[11:06] <ducasse> imo it would be an os-level issue
[11:06] <CapeTown77> I agree
[11:06] <ducasse> tomreyn: suhhestions? ^^
[11:06] <CapeTown77> everything comes down to the handling of locales which unfortunately is inadequate
[11:07] <CapeTown77> Windows does it correctly and allows customisation off the default locale settings
[11:07] <CapeTown77> Linux doesn't
[11:07] <CapeTown77> e.g. there are various date formats that are acceptable in South Africa yyyy-mm-dd or dd/mm/yyyy  etc
[11:07] <ducasse> wait until systemd grabs control of this too :)
[11:07] <tomreyn> no. a bug was filed, it's probably not ubuntu specific, though, i.e. would have to be handled more upstream, which would probably take a long time even when pushed hard.
[11:08] <CapeTown77> currency used to be R 1 234 567,00 now the dominant format is R 1 234 567.00 but both are acceptable
[11:08] <tomreyn> (and it does not seem like CapeTown77 has a current ubuntu support question that this mostly community maintained channel could handle.)
[11:09] <CapeTown77> so who should pick this up?
[11:12] <ducasse> try #linux as it seems distro independent
[11:15] <tomreyn> my guess would be on glibc/sourceware
[11:23] <segamain> even when I turned off automatic updates and stuff I still get this when I try to install a package with apt Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It ^C held by process 7812 (unattended-upgr)... 4s
[11:23] <segamain> can I just delete the lock file ??
[11:24] <tomreyn> probably not a good idea.
[11:24] <tomreyn> inspect process with the given pid instead
[11:24] <tomreyn> ps 7812
[11:24] <tomreyn> has it been actively recently / idled for a long time?
[11:25] <segamain> It's been like that since I installed ubuntu
[11:25] <tomreyn> unattended-upgrades also writes a log file in /var/log/ - see what it is doing, when the log was last updated
[11:26] <tomreyn> if you don't want unattended apt upgrades, you could uninstall the 'unattended-upgrades' package
[11:37] <segamain> tomreyn: where can I find it ?? apt search finds it but it doesn't locate it :/
[11:38] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to install gimp with working plugins in Bionic? It seems python support is horrificly broken; is there any possible work-around?
[11:39] <CoJaBo> I found a work-around mentioned in a comment on https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/128091/gimp-2-10-12-not-loading-python-plugins but it's not clear enough what I have to install
[11:41] <CoJaBo> Actually, I more need it in Focal; I think I've broken the Bionic system beyond repair at this point
[11:42] <bubbler_> q
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:04] <Cybertinus> Hello all. I’m currently upgrading a 32 bit 16.04 to 32 bit 18.04. This is the last version which supports 32 bit x86, so is there a way to upgrade 32 bit 18.04 to 64 bit 18.04? My CPU supports x86_64
[13:05] <ducasse> Cybertinus: only a reinstall
[13:06] <Cybertinus> Yeah. Thought so indeed…
[13:06] <Cybertinus> I was hoping to avoid that ;)
[13:06] <Cybertinus> Idle hope, I know, but never hurts to ask :)
[13:06] <Jeremy31> Backup the /home somewhere
[13:07] <mannequin> i think you could try adding an architecture via chroot environment and replacing 32bit packages with 64 bit
[13:08] <mannequin> but this isn't easy, it might not work and it's time consuming
[13:36] <Cybertinus> Yeah. Then a reinstall is easier and a more stable solution
[13:38] <Cybertinus> Especially because it isn’t my personal laptop. I’m helping a friend who has a friend with this laptop ;)
[14:08] <Gallomimia> having friends is so complicated :(
[14:19] <Maik> Gallomimia: if you just want to chit chat then please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:26] <Intelo> How do I know mosh is running fine? I just installed it. How do I run it?
[14:26] <Intelo> I installed it  on a server
[14:32] <WEbChat53> Good Afternoon, how do i install steam on a secondary drive?
[14:38] <Mathisen> Intelo, read the docs
[14:38] <Intelo> read all
[14:39] <Intelo> Mathisen next?
[14:39] <Mathisen> read it again ?
[14:40] <Mathisen> Intelo, to be honest if you read it you would know how to use it
[14:40] <Intelo> how 'exactly' I know that mosh is running on the server?  and listenign to some port
[14:40] <Mathisen> correct udp port to be specific
[15:16] <itsallbull> hello there
[15:48] <fub> Hi. Running Ubuntu20 on a 5.14 kernel with vmware tech preview on Apple Silicon here. Worked fine until now where I noticed that after logging in via gdm, the screen goes black for 1-2minutes, then its normal again. Like some timeout Im running into. This happens for i3 as well as for gnome.
[15:48] <fub> How do I debug this?
[15:51] <fub> Ok I found out its the three lines I added to sysctl.conf to diable ipv6.
[15:53] <edlou> dont do it man
[15:53] <edlou> ipv6 is the future
[16:13] <Sven_vB> hi :) I'm looking for a tool for Ubuntu focal that I runs my command, and in case it prints something to stderr, opens a window that shows error output. ideally the window would open as soon as the first message, and collect all subsequent messages that may arise. and also re-open if further errors occurr after I close the log window. do we have that?
[16:14] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: notify-send
[16:18] <Sven_vB> thanks, I'll have a look. isn't that about "toast" poupu notifications though?
[16:18] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: what does it matter? You get the message
[16:19] <Sven_vB> last time I used them, I couldn't copy text from those popups. I'll try again though.
[16:20] <leftyfb> you can't
[16:21] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: if you have your own script doing a thing and notifying the user of some information, that notification probably isn't the best place to have them take another step with copy/paste instructions. What is the purpose of copying the text exactly?
[16:23] <Sven_vB> I have a text-to-speech CLI tool on a keyboard shortcut and usually it works without visual interaction because it can just read audibly. only when it cannot, I'm interested in seeing why.
[16:26] <Sven_vB> as for the copy part, I could just add a tee to a logfile though, and copy from there.
[16:45] <zarzza> Hi. I want to install mint. In my pc i have a 1TB hdd with photos music, a 240gb ssd with windows 10 and a 64gb ssd. I want to install linux in the 64gb ssd. I don't know nothing about repartitioning. Theinstaller asks me if i want erase disk and install linux, and i want to do that on the 64gb ssd. The installer doesn't say what disk it is going
[16:45] <zarzza> to be erased. I want the 64gb ssd to be erased and nothing else!
[16:46] <zarzza> i saw only the installer of mx linux makes you chose the disk to erase
[16:48] <Maik> !Mint | zarzza
[16:49] <Maik> zarzza: that being said, we do not provide support with Mint or any other distro here
[16:50] <zarzza> alright, even if i guess the installeris the same
[16:50] <zarzza> thank you anyway
[16:51] <Maik> though the installer might be the same, Mint is not Ubuntu
[16:52] <Sven_vB> zarzza, learning about gparted is worth it. with gparted, you can prepare your partitions much easier than with the installer; then in the installer you can choose custom partitioning and just tell it which of the prepared partitions to use.
[16:52] <Maik> Sven_vB:  they are gone
[16:54] <Sven_vB> oh. yeah.
[16:57] <Intelo> How to know if a firewall is onn or off? what rules it has? in ubuntu by default
[16:59] <Maik> sudo ufw status
[17:00] <leftyfb> ufw only tells half the story. If you're troubleshooting connectivity issues potentially related to a "firewall", I would go right to iptables: sudo iptables -L -n
[17:06] <KBar> Intelo: the command you're looking for is `sudo ufw status`.
[17:06] <Intelo> ufw was enabled by vultr. This is not the case usually. Ubuntu ships with all ports open if a daemon is there
[17:07] <Intelo> KBar what could be the reason?
[17:07] <KBar> Intelo: sorry, I've got no idea.
[17:08] <KBar> Intelo: you can disable it if you want: `sudo ufw disable`.
[17:13] <leftyfb> Intelo: what is vultr?
[17:15] <camelopardalis> ouh là, c'est le premier test ...
[17:17] <KBar> leftyfb: probably this? https://www.vultr.com/
[17:17] <leftyfb> then it's not a stock image of ubuntu
[17:37] <Intelo> KBar leftyfb yes vultr.com . Isee
[17:38] <leftyfb> Intelo: you'll have to contact vultr.com for support with their custom images
[17:38] <Intelo> will do
[17:38] <Intelo> thanks
[17:53] <tpWASGui1don4> hi
[17:55] <oerheks> Yes.
[18:21] <tpWASGui1don4> hi, I'm trying to install goland via snap but I received this error libXi.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:21] <tpWASGui1don4> how can I fix this?
[18:22] <ogra> are you running wayland on your desktop ?
[18:22] <ogra> (sounds like it is trying to use Xorg but can not ...)
[18:23] <tpWASGui1don4> I'm installing the goland inside the lxd container
[18:24] <ogra> well, in any case this sounds like a packaging bug ... you should contact jetbrains abut it
[18:24] <tpWASGui1don4> well I will try
[18:24] <ogra> (snaps, even the --classic ones, need to be self contained, they should make sure to ship all libs required to run the app and make sure the app finds the shipped libs)
[18:25] <ninjaxpresskgn> E:can not open /var/lib/apt/lists/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal-updates_InRelease - fopen (13: Ijin ditolak), E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[18:25] <ninjaxpresskgn> E:can not open /var/lib/apt/lists/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal-updates_InRelease - fopen (13: Ijin ditolak), E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[18:25] <ogra> ninjaxpresskgn, for sudo when running apt update ?
[18:25] <ogra> *forgot
[18:26] <ogra> well, that was a fruitful conversation 😄
[18:30] <jhutchins> Bet he was running it as a user.
[18:31] <leftyfb> not sure what installing goland via snap has to do with apt errors
[18:31] <tpWASGui1don4> ogra, fyi fixed by installing libxi6
[18:31] <leftyfb> a snap does not require any apt packages to be installed other than snapd
[18:38] <jackneilll> hey. i'd like to ask for help. i did an sudo update-grub and rebooted and now i dont get the luks pass screen at boot. but an initramfs.
[18:38] <jackneilll> any idea?
[18:38] <jackneilll> only added mitigations=off to the kernel cmdline
[18:39] <jackneilll> at /etc/default/grub
[18:39] <jackneilll> "key load error: failed to open key material file"
[18:40] <jackneilll> (i have zfs)
[18:56] <nikk88> Hello
[18:57] <nikk88> My network adapter doesn't work
[18:57] <nikk88> can u help?
[19:00] <nikk88> pls?
[19:02] <jhutchins> !doesn't work
[19:04] <nikk88> my sistem doesnt see any network adapter after the latest security update
[19:06] <jhutchins> nikk88: Have you reviewed dmesg to see what the system thinks is happening?  What kind of adapter is it? Make & model? On motherboard, separate card, or external? PCI ID (lspci -nn)?
[19:07] <jhutchins> nikk88: Which release of Ubuntu are you running?
[19:09] <Jeremy31> nikk88: in terminal check>  dpkg -l | grep linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)
[19:09] <nikk88> release is 2004 focal fossa
[19:10] <nikk88> its a PCI and im trying to find its name
[19:11] <nikk88> @Jeremy31 Done, what now?
[19:12] <Jeremy31> nikk88: was there any result in terminal?
[19:12] <Jeremy31> or did it go back to a prompt?
[19:13] <nikk88> there is result
[19:13] <Jeremy31> nikk88: Ok, I don't need to see the result
[19:14] <oerheks> sudo lshw -c network
[19:14] <Jeremy31> nikk88: For the adapters check>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net
[19:15] <SuperLag> I have a Pi running Ubuntu Mate, that I'm trying to VNC into. It says "Cannot currently
[19:15] <nikk88> @Jer no return
[19:16] <SuperLag> doh
[19:16] <gh0st`> Supwrlag
[19:16] <nikk88> @oer already did, there is no *-network
[19:17] <gh0st`> Ping the servers
[19:17] <Jeremy31> nikk88: Dual Boot with Windows?
[19:17] <SuperLag> I have a Pi running Ubuntu Mate, that I'm trying to VNC into. It says "Cannot currently show the desktop." and research says I need to change the resolution. I just did that when I took it out of my closet, and plugged it into this display, but when I put it back in the closet headless, it went back to that state. Is there any way to change resolution for xorg/wayland, from an SSH session?
[19:17] <nikk88> originally yes, now just ubuntu
[19:19] <oerheks> .. fastboot probably enabled
[19:21] <nikk88> do i disable that?
[19:22] <jackneilll> it seems mitigations=off causes the error. no idea why.
[19:28] <SuperLag> gh0st`: what?
[19:57] <nikk88> bump
[20:00] <nikk88> any one?ù
[20:17] <jhutchins> nikk88: I asked you several questions you haven't answered yet.
[20:18] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Can you connect via ssh?
[20:21] <nikk88> yes, i have
[20:21] <nikk88> again, os is focal fossa
[20:21] <nikk88> rest idk, its what im trying to figure out
[20:43] <jhutchins> nikk88: dmesg and lspci -nn
[20:43] <jhutchins> dmesg says what's wrong, it's just buried in a lot of noise.
[20:44] <jhutchins> I think we've hit at least one NIC regression with the most recent kernel.
[21:57] <patriksarah> I have an Andersson USB-hub, why wont it work in either ubuntu or windows? I can plug in my mouse in it, but not my harddrive.. it wont be recognised even though it powers up the harddrive
[21:58] <patriksarah> I unplugged the usb hub and plugged in the harddrive directly to my computers usb, and it works fine'
[22:00] <Maik> patriksarah: maybe you need a powered usb hub to make the drive work
[22:01] <Maik> and i bet it's just that
[22:02] <patriksarah> ah thats why, i saw the power socket in my usb hub today and thought thats weird, because ive never seen one before (i usually dont use hubs)... but that explains it..
[22:02] <patriksarah> even more weird is that it never came with the power cable
[22:25] <Hanumaan> trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 (remote machine) and it is stopping not upgrading after giving these errors : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vj7k43hDK8/
[22:43] <jhutchins> Hanumaan: Is it expected to be able to jump several versions in an LTS upgrade?  I always thought best practice was to only upgrade one version at a time.
[22:43] <ravage> there is no LTS version between 18.04 and 20.04
[22:44] <ravage> i just dont see any errors in that log
[22:46] <oerheks> what foreign python packages did you install, Hanumaan ?
[22:47] <ravage> oh right. rc1 does not look like an ubuntu package :)
[22:53] <oerheks> Package: python2.7 (2.7.17-1~18.04ubuntu1.6) should be your current, without any ppa
[23:00] <peto> hi, somebody use ispconfig?
[23:03] <jhutchins> peto: No, but we might be able to answer a system configuration question.
[23:04] <jhutchins> peto: Are you trying to use it?  Why?
[23:07] <peto> @jhutchins yes, im trying, I wanted a page for manage my server
[23:08] <peto> but maybe it was a mistake, my server runs OK
[23:09] <peto> i have installed the ispconfig on my server, and now i can reach the site only on server, but not on another pc in local lan
[23:11] <jhutchins> peto: Managing your own server is not something to be left to a web page.
[23:12] <jhutchins> peto: The web front-ends are intended for user-level clients who insist on "managing" their own web sites and such, and require a competent administrator behind the web page to keep the systems running and fix them when the web config system breaks.
[23:13] <ravage> it is totally off topic anyway :)
[23:13] <jhutchins> peto: What does your server serve?
[23:13] <jhutchins> ravage: No, it's not.  Actually using ubuntu is topical.
[23:14] <oerheks> how did you setup your server networking?
[23:14] <oerheks> local lan no access sounds just like a simple issue
[23:14] <ravage> i have customers running Plesk on Ubuntu. So i can send them here?
[23:15] <peto> @jhutchins i have there web server, and will mail server
[23:16] <oerheks> i am sure ispconfig does not use netplan :-P
[23:16] <peto> @oerheks what do you mean with setup my server? sorry but im newbie in this :/
[23:18] <jhutchins> ravage: Yes, send them here, and we can sort out if it's an application problem or a system problem.
[23:18] <ravage> cool
[23:19] <oerheks> ravage, newbies only thanks
[23:20] <oerheks> but peto, what are you exactly doing, write down a pastbin with details, what ubuntu version, network config, ..
[23:21] <oerheks> and what guide did you follow
[23:22] <patriksarah> Hello im trying to sign kernel modules i think it is, in order for my VM machine to work with Kali. However, I missed the step on nr 3 to enter Mok Manager EFI utility during restart, so I just booted normally. What can i do=
[23:22] <patriksarah> https://superuser.com/questions/1438279/how-to-sign-a-kernel-module-ubuntu-18-04
[23:23] <oerheks> i think you find no kali support here, patriksarah
[23:25] <Jeremy31> Tell the VM to not use Secure Boot
[23:25] <patriksarah> Thank you, how do I tell the VM not to use secure boot?
[23:25] <patriksarah> but oerheks its an ubuntu support, for oracle VM... im trying to set it up, so i can load other operating systems on it :(
[23:26] <Jeremy31> Look in the VM BIOS/UEFI settings
[23:26] <oerheks> yeah right, kali changes your whole root system. good luck.
[23:26] <oerheks> not an ubuntu issue, seriously
[23:27] <Jeremy31> Probably not, even if the VM is run on Ubuntu
[23:27] <oerheks> that we don't even know
[23:27] <patriksarah> I just needed help with signing kernel modules, which are on Ubuntu.
[23:28] <Jeremy31> patriksarah: disable Secure Boot
[23:28] <patriksarah> jeremy31, im trying to find it right now
[23:29] <Jeremy31> Reboot and get into BIOS/UEFI settings, much easier than using MOK
[23:29] <patriksarah> okay thank you ill try right now
[23:30] <peto> @oerheks do you need some more info? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JBrKHQXRqs/
[23:40] <patriksarah> It worked by disabling seecure boot, which I turned back on after trying the virtual machine
[23:40] <patriksarah> Thank you!
[23:43] <patriksarah> now does anyone know how i undo the kernel modules I signed? https://superuser.com/questions/1438279/how-to-sign-a-kernel-module-ubuntu-18-04
[23:46] <tomreyn> patriksarah: you shouldn't need to undo module signing
[23:47] <patriksarah> Okay thank you =)
[23:47] <patriksarah> I havent used Ubuntu in so many years so it feels like Im starting all over
[23:48] <tomreyn> good luck there. please provide your ubuntu version next time you ask a question, this will prevent people from jumping to conculisions when you only mention software you run in a VM.
[23:49] <tomreyn> *conclusions
[23:49] <patriksarah> Okay I will do
[23:55] <tomreyn> peto: is your goal to host multiple websites with php scripting and mysql database, as well as to send and receive mail and to host mailboxes for multiple email addresses on multiple domain names, as well as to provide ftp access for multiple users to their webspace?
[23:55] <tomreyn> i.e. is your goal to become a hosting provider there?


[00:47] <robjoski> Is everyone here asleep or something?
[00:48] <robjoski> Apparently.
[00:51] <robjoski> hmm, someone else using chatzilla...
[00:52] <robjoski> I'm getting tired of waiting, when is UME going to be released?
[00:53] <robjoski> Don't tell me no one knows, Gutsy was released a week ago!
[00:54] <dougb> i thought UME can be installed already?
[00:54] <dougb> that the packages are in the repositories
[00:55] <robjoski> They haven't updated the Wiki for a while...
[00:55] <dougb> that might be a good thing
[00:56] <dougb> i know hildon 2.0 is going to be released with OS2008 for the nokia, so maybe they are waiting until that is released
[00:56] <robjoski> Oh well, bye!
[15:07] <mypapit> w00t


[00:48] <pangolin> 3 posts on IRC about Unity/FB gets you nothing
[00:48] <pangolin> :P
[00:50] <mhall119> thus restoring my faith in IRC
[00:52] <pangolin> I just g+rolled you :)
[00:53] <jcastro> mhall119, it's ok I get unity trolling on server posts too
[00:53] <jcastro> it's the way of the internet
[00:56]  * mhall119 kicks pangolin
[00:57] <pangolin> :(
[00:57] <mhall119> pangolin: it's funny because that template matches most of the negative comments I've seen on Windows 8 and Metro (also most that I saw for Vista and 7)
[00:57] <pangolin> here i thought you were one of the nice people
[00:57] <mhall119> who lied and told you that?
[00:57] <mhall119> it was jcastro wasn't it
[00:58] <pangolin> I think it was jono
[00:58] <pangolin> could have been jcastro
[00:58] <mhall119> close enough
[00:58] <jcastro> it certainly wasn't me
[00:58] <jcastro> mhall is my pupil of cynicism and snark
[00:59] <mhall119> you make me sound like some evil jedi apprentice
[01:00]  * mhall119 is certainly no jedi
[01:06] <nigelb> mhall119 is unity skywalker :D
[01:23] <greg-g> jcastro: the initial request is slow, but the load is decently fast, given all the shit OMG! has
[01:24] <jcastro> yeah we're not close to optimizing
[01:25] <jcastro> but it's still like so much nicer than what he had before
[01:25] <jcastro> this is 3 nginx load balanced mediums and a mysql small
[01:26] <jcastro> greg-g, there's a lot of junk plugins and stuff we can cut out
[01:26] <mhall119> jcastro: what's the bottleneck?
[01:26] <jcastro> just tweaking the load balancing
[01:27] <jcastro> mhall119, it's complicated, but seems it was apache
[01:27] <mhall119> jcastro: cpu, memory, io?
[01:27] <jcastro> but still, it's hard until we dig more, which we will in step 2
[01:27] <jcastro> it was hosing CPUs
[01:27] <jcastro> but now we're caching
[01:27] <jcastro> and the site was much, much, much busier than I ever imagined
[01:28] <mhall119> hosing 3 medium CPU? wow
[01:28] <jcastro> oh no no
[01:28] <jcastro> all 3 are 99% idle right now
[01:28] <mhall119> so it's the load balancer?
[01:28] <jcastro> each node load balances without a load balancing node
[01:28] <jcastro> it's some nginx thing I didn't even know existed
[01:29] <jcastro> each time you add unit they just load balance themselves
[01:29] <jcastro> anyway all that is working fine now except one node isn't caching
[01:29] <jcastro> the problem before this setup was apache just maxing out
[01:29] <mhall119> but when  it was apache, it was hammering the haproxy or webserver cpus?
[01:29] <jcastro> the webserver one
[01:30] <jcastro> I can't explain it in the detail you need though, once they're done we'll write it up
[01:30] <mhall119> ok
[01:30] <jcastro> anyway TL;DR. 3 mediums and one small
[01:30] <jcastro> so down to like 15 bucks a day
[01:30] <jcastro> instead of like, 85
[01:30] <mhall119> better, still not cheap though, how does that compare to their previous hosting cost?
[01:31] <jcastro> We're about $100 over
[01:31] <jcastro> but this is just the "get off the xlarges now."
[01:31] <jcastro> we can cut a ton more out after
[01:31] <jcastro> since we can redeploy like, easily now
[01:32] <mhall119> I bet joey is happy about that
[01:32] <jcastro> and the charm is like, putting db snapshots for backups on s3 for him, etc.
[01:32] <jcastro> it'll be nice
[01:45] <mhall119> jcastro: for me, the selling point for the cloud is that you *can* experiment with an alterate setup for a high-traffic site, and it only costs you about $20.
[01:47] <jcastro> add another 0.
[01:47] <jcastro> :)
[01:47] <jcastro> if I knew what I was doing
[01:48] <jcastro> you can start will all micros
[01:48] <jcastro> the nice thing is with the charm you can iterate on your laptop too
[01:48] <jcastro> then push out
[01:48] <jcastro> so you can code, test, code, test, code, test. All on your laptop
[01:48] <jcastro> just how it will deploy in the cloud
[01:48] <jcastro> without running up the meter
[01:52] <jcastro> mhall119, see G+, I linked the bzr branches
[01:56] <mhall119> G+ where?
[01:58] <jcastro> my call for testing post
[07:46] <dholbach> Guten Morgen Berlin! :)
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <nigelb> Hi dholbach!
[07:48] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:26] <jalcine> G'marning New York City :)
[08:26] <jalcine> I shouldn't be up
[12:10] <mhall119> morning
[12:10]  * czajkowski tickles mhall119 herrro
[12:11] <mhall119> gah,  what?
[12:11] <mhall119> what'd I do?
[12:14] <czajkowski> nada
[12:14] <mhall119> :)
[12:15] <mhall119> brb, coffee is ready
[12:33] <nigelb> http://epicpullrequests.tumblr.com/
[12:51] <mhall119> nigelb: the non-rhyming Dr. Seuss one makes my eye twitch
[12:51] <nigelb> mhall119: that almost rhymed there.
[12:51] <mhall119> no it didn't
[12:51] <AlanBell> can you do better?
[12:52] <mhall119> I can not try, which makes me less twitchy
[12:53] <jcastro> mhall119, how's it running now? the only thing that should be busted is broken images every 3 refreshes or so
[12:55] <mhall119> jcastro: didn't the have an ad running across the top of the page?
[13:08] <jcastro> yeah some js hosting issues
[13:08] <jcastro> not all of it is in s3, we need to put it there
[13:38] <mhall119> Why is it that both dogs insist on laying *on* me when I'm working?
[13:41] <Pendulum> mhall119: because they want you to know you're loved
[13:41] <Pendulum> although I'm trying to imagine both of them lying on you at once and failing
[13:42] <mhall119> Pendulum: they, however, are not failing
[13:43] <mhall119> through at least the labrador got down
[13:43] <Pendulum> well Lucy's so small she can't be that much of a bother then
[13:44] <mhall119> true, but she lays on my arm, which makes typing and mousing hard
[13:47] <Pendulum> ah, yes. the "I'm going to lie where it's going to prevent you from moving so that you have to pay attention to me" position
[13:49] <mhall119> exactly
[13:50] <nigelb> heh
[14:23] <jcastro> nigelb, how's omg's performance over where you are?
[14:23] <jcastro> mhall119, how about you? It should be liquid fast right now
[14:23] <nigelb> checking
[14:23] <nigelb> hit the main site or staging?
[14:23] <mhall119> jcastro: everything is looking good
[14:24] <mhall119> they have so much 3rd party javascript though :(
[14:24] <nigelb> Looks good.
[14:24] <jcastro> I know
[14:25] <jcastro> He needs a plugin and js review something fierce
[14:25] <jcastro> mhall119, 3 mediums also overkill
[14:25] <jcastro> we can probably go down to two smalls
[14:25] <jcastro> mhall119, blogging now, linking the charm so you can see the nginx setup
[14:25] <mhall119> jcastro: he could also use Exprires: headers on his js and css to stop the browser from asking about them every time
[14:29] <jcastro> ah, let me tell marco
[14:29] <marcoceppi> jcastro: marco is here
[14:30] <marcoceppi> mhall119: Can you set headers from s3? Because that's where all the files are being served for js/etc
[14:30] <jcastro> oh
[14:31] <jcastro> AlanBell, ok down to 3 mediums and 2 smalls, next stop, two-small city.
[14:31] <AlanBell> whohoo
[14:33] <jcastro> we were going to go with 2 mediums but I was scared so went with 3
[14:34] <AlanBell> it is pushing a lot of bandwidth, but as the comments are offloaded to disqus I would think the transactional load would be less than most normal blogs
[14:35] <AlanBell> what is the $/hour now?
[14:37] <jcastro> .64
[14:37] <jcastro> the price of one xlarge, heh
[14:38] <jcastro> we could probably easily drop one medium right now actually
[14:38] <jcastro> marcoceppi, but the magic scares me
[14:39] <jcastro> I am having a hard time fathoming how he could have survived release-time loads on that box he had.
[14:39] <cjohnston> luck
[14:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we can always put the medium back if it's too much
[14:39] <jcastro> I bet that machine was at like, load 70 for days on end, hah
[14:39] <marcoceppi> we're charmed and ready to roll out add-unit remove-unit, it's childs play
[14:39] <jcastro> marcoceppi, sure, but let's do it when clint's around
[14:39] <mhall119> jcastro: if memory serves, he didn't always survive release time traffic
[14:40] <marcoceppi> hah, yeah :)
[14:40] <jcastro> I don't think we've ever seen this working live
[14:40] <jcastro> it'll be slick
[14:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro: oh, the add-unit stuff works
[14:40] <jcastro> \o/
[14:40] <marcoceppi> before we pointed the ip yesterday we only had two mediums, we added one right before we pointed the ip
[14:42] <marcoceppi> it'd still be nice to have clint on hand
[14:46] <popey> jcastro: he didnt survive really
[14:46] <popey> the box got the absolute nuts kicked out of it
[14:46] <popey> load average was off the scale
[14:49] <jcastro> suck
[14:49] <jcastro> mhall119, shifting gears
[14:50] <jcastro> marianna is asking about the guidebook
[14:52] <bkerensa> good morning
[14:53] <mhall119> jcastro: what about it?
[14:54] <jcastro> mhall119, ah she couldn't find the barcode, I got it.
[14:54] <jcastro> she was wondering if the instructions are the same
[14:54] <jcastro> and afaict they are.
[14:55] <mhall119> as far as I know, yes
[14:55] <jcastro> did we have a quickURL for the QR code, do you remember?
[14:56] <mhall119> no, we were given a QRcode image
[14:56] <mhall119> IIRC, cjohnston has added a field for the image url in the database
[14:56] <bkerensa> mhall119: when do tracks usually go up?
[14:57] <mhall119> bkerensa: usually whenever jcastro put them up
[14:57] <mhall119> but I get the feeling I'll be doing that this time
[14:57] <mhall119> which makes it kind of unusual
[14:57] <cjohnston> yes...
[14:58] <cjohnston> jcastro: can we talk about not paying for guidebook since Aq made the site mobile friendly?
[14:58] <cjohnston> :-)
[14:58] <mhall119> mobile friendlier
[14:58] <mhall119> it's still got a way to go before we're replacing Guidebook
[14:58] <cjohnston> ok.. what he said
[14:59] <jcastro> ok so the one issue
[14:59] <mhall119> it's something we can discuss at UDS though
[14:59] <jcastro> is which QR code to use
[14:59] <jcastro> does anyone have the one we used in orlando handy?
[14:59] <cjohnston> no
[15:00] <mhall119> jcastro:  think so
[15:01] <bkerensa> jcastro: uhh do you by chance know what the omg backend url is anymore? can you ping it to me
[15:01] <bkerensa> :D
[15:01] <bkerensa> I need to post something :P
[15:01] <jcastro> we are working on that now, you'll need to standby a bit
[15:01] <jcastro> or talk to joey to have him post it
[15:02] <jcastro> wordpress admin panel doesn't like 3 nodes and stuff.
[15:02] <bkerensa> ahh I found it
[15:02] <bkerensa> :D
[15:02] <mhall119> jcastro: I think http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/guidebook_125.png is the one we used for UDS-P
[15:05] <bkerensa> I love that we are shipping a music player in 12.04 that freezes for a few minutes on launch :)
[15:08] <jcastro> mhall119, iirc we had a canonical place on summit.u.c with the URL
[15:08] <jcastro> cjohnston, ? ^
[15:08] <mhall119> jcastro: for the image?
[15:09] <cjohnston> no idea
[15:09] <jcastro> yeah
[15:09] <technoviking> jcastro: have time chat in the next couple of days
[15:09] <jcastro> technoviking, any day but today, unless you're blocked
[15:10] <technoviking> How would tomorrow at 3pm EST be?
[15:11] <mhall119> jcastro: it used to be we had one qrcode for the entire site
[15:11] <jcastro> sure, I'll know in an hour or two how I'm going today
[15:11] <mhall119> cjohnston expanded that to let us use per-summit images
[15:11] <jcastro> ok so for the QR code on the printed badge
[15:12] <jcastro> that should be the guidebook one right?
[15:12] <mhall119> jcastro: that's what we did in -P right?
[15:13] <jcastro> I believe so
[15:13] <jcastro> it makes sense
[16:00] <cjohnston> Daviey:  your killing me with the spam! :-)
[16:03] <nigelb> Daviey: good job :D
[16:04]  * cjohnston smacks nigel with summit
[16:05] <cjohnston> nigelb:  can you change tarmac to 15 minutes and have it email me when there are issues preventing a merge
[16:06] <nigelb> cjohnston: yes for the first, no for the second.
[16:06] <nigelb> I don't run a mail daemon there yet.
[16:06] <nigelb> I can set it up tomorrow morning if you remind me.
[16:06] <cjohnston> is there any way I can know about issues
[17:52] <greg-g> jcastro: yo, jsalisbury is the IRC name of the guy helping with the x220 wifi issue?
[17:52] <greg-g> jcastro: I'm having issues with my x220 on Oneiric with the latest kernel update, wondering if related
[17:52] <popey> yes
[17:53] <greg-g> seems to not be online...
[17:53]  * greg-g shrugs
[17:58] <jcastro> greg-g, he's responsive in the bug. It might be worth seeing if you can run that kernel in 11.10
[18:00] <greg-g> jcastro: k. lemme restart (I have a recent kernel upgrade) and confirm everything before I muddy up the waters on that bug.
[18:00] <bkerensa> :( I need to find a new printer... when I put new ink cartridges in it never realizes such and says I am low and nobody refills ink for my Canon =/
[18:08] <popey> I wont buy anything but HP these days for printers
[18:09] <cprofitt> popey: why?
[18:09] <popey> all other printers suck
[18:09] <mhall119> printers are one consumer technology that just hasn't keptup
[18:09] <cprofitt> popey: +1
[18:09] <cprofitt> wasn't sure if that was the reason or not
[18:09] <popey> printers are merely devices for causing pain
[18:10] <popey> they also sometimes print stuff
[18:16] <snap-l> I really like my Brother Multifunction printer
[18:17] <snap-l> It's a laser printer, and has Linux support
[18:17] <popey> any printer which requires me to unpack an rpm is not a printer, it is a travesty
[18:17] <mhall119> snap-l: I tried to set one of those up on my Dad's XP laptop, good god what a pain that was
[18:17] <snap-l> Had a Samsung prior to that which worked pretty well too
[18:17] <snap-l> popey: You only need drivers for Network Scanning. ;)
[18:18] <popey> here's what happened when I bought my HP Officejet 6310 All-In-One printer/scanner/copier/fax.
[18:18] <snap-l> mhall119: Their Windows drivers are pretty special, yes.
[18:18] <popey> 1. get it out of the box
[18:18] <mhall119> then again, I took his old Brother HL-1440 home, plugged it into the kids' Ubuntu 10.04 machine, and it just worked
[18:18] <popey> 2. Plug it in.
[18:18] <popey> 3. print stuff
[18:18] <mhall119> didn't have to do anything but plug it in
[18:18] <snap-l> popey: And what did you need to do to do network scanning?
[18:18] <popey> network scanning is for lazy people
[18:18] <mhall119> cups does network printing automagically
[18:19] <popey> go and walk to your scanner
[18:19] <mhall119> oh, saned for network scanning, I use that often
[18:19] <snap-l> popey: I share a printer with my wife
[18:19] <mhall119> popey: it's also for people who have kids old enough to understand "now put the next page in the scanner and tell me when it's ready"
[18:19] <popey> so do I ☺
[18:19] <snap-l> ergo, networking is quite important. ;)
[18:19] <popey> and two kids
[18:19] <popey> who print from all around the house
[18:20] <popey> automagically
[18:20] <snap-l> popey: Stop sharing my printer!
[18:20] <mhall119> mine don't have permission to print
[18:20] <mhall119> I'd never have ink/toner/paper if I allowed them to print whenever they wanted
[18:20] <snap-l> And tell the kids to stop putting nutella on my printer.
[18:20] <popey> sam prints quite a lot of PDFs from websites which he colours in
[18:20] <popey> but always asks first before printing colour stuff
[18:21] <snap-l> Actually, I was going to go with HP, but I can get a solid 3000 pages on a $70+ cart
[18:21] <mhall119> you have hm well trained
[18:22] <mhall119> er, I mean, raised
[18:22] <snap-l> unfortunately, HP has gone creative-accounting and only manages about 1800 for the same price.
[18:22] <snap-l> And my wife is a college instructor
[18:22] <mhall119> gah, why does my code have so many typos today?
[18:23] <popey> switched to dvorak?
[18:23] <mhall119> no, same laptop keyboard as always
[18:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: because you arent coding on summit
[18:23] <mhall119> I'm going to blame the chihuahua who has insisted on sleeping on my forearm all day
[18:24] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow :)
[18:24] <mhall119> g'night dholbach
[18:24] <cjohnston> g'nite dholbach
[18:24] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeee :)
[18:40] <mhall119> I'm about to kick this code
[18:40]  * mhall119 hates refactoring
[18:40] <cjohnston> mhall119: bzr branch lp:summit
[18:40] <mhall119> no
[18:40] <mhall119> this is still better than summit
[18:41] <cjohnston> not true
[18:41] <cjohnston> doesnt exist
[18:45] <mhall119> it's "better" because it's one of the things jono put on my list
[18:45] <mhall119> yay, it's running and hasn't errored out yet
[18:47] <cjohnston> sumo?
[18:47] <mhall119> no, unity-stats
[20:07] <bkerensa> uhh so someone using Xubuntu indicates Oneconf is eating 100M of memory and they want to remove it since they do not use U1 but when they try and sudo apt-get remove it also tries and take the entire desktop enviroment
[20:07] <bkerensa> any thoughts?
[20:10] <popey> define "entire desktop" bkerensa
[20:11] <bkerensa> popey: it will remove xubuntu-desktop et. al
[20:11] <bkerensa> sudo apt-get remove oneconf (also pulls off xfce etc)
[20:11] <popey> they could shut it down without removing it
[20:12] <bkerensa> popey: Is there a proper method for this?
[20:12] <popey> for what removing or killing?
[20:13] <bkerensa> popey: permanently disabling it
[20:14] <popey> i would run pstree and see what spawned it
[20:20] <bkerensa> popey: init spawns oneconf
[20:20] <popey> so probably sommat in /etc/init.d or /etc/rc2.d
[20:28] <cjohnston> .37
[20:28] <cjohnston> uggh
[20:30] <bkerensa> popey: I filed a bug for it
[20:39] <popey> yay