[00:00] <scottyg_> psusi permission denied
[00:00] <psusi> scottyg_, what was the exact command?
[00:00] <scottyg_> please write a statement for me to cut and paste!!!!!!
[00:00] <scottyg_> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=SCOTTYG-W7-DESK\scottyg,password=pex571 //<IP_ADDRESS>/e$ /media/shares
[00:01] <scottyg_> can you believe how impossible it is to access a bloody drive from this STINKING ods?
[00:01] <escott> scottyg_, thats probably introducing another escaping issue. you need to escape the \ with either \\ or quoting the username/password string
[00:01] <ikonia> scottyg_: drop the attitude
[00:01] <ikonia> it's getting tedious
[00:02] <scottyg_> you are WAY over my head
[00:02] <psusi> scottyg_, you left out the quotes around the username.... smbclient -U SCOTTYG-W7-DESK\\scottyg //<IP_ADDRESS>/e\$
[00:02] <BobJonkman> scottyg_: You probably need to escape the backslash, eg SCOTTYG-W7-DESK\\scottyg
[00:02] <scottyg_> again....way way way over my head
[00:02] <BobJonkman> escott: :)
[00:02] <scottyg_> i beg you to write the command so that i can paste it in terminal
[00:02] <escott> scottyg_, i you type "echo \s" in the shell it prints "s" not "\s" you need to have \\s or you need to have quotes 'username=blablah\blah,password=blah'
[00:03] <scottyg_> escott.  that is difficult for me to get
[00:03] <scottyg_>   what would the correct command look like?
[00:03] <psusi> smbclient -U SCOTTYG-W7-DESK\\scottyg //<IP_ADDRESS>/e\$
[00:04] <scottyg_> scottyg@scottyg-laptop:~$ smbclient -U SCOTTYG-W7-DESK\\scottyg //<IP_ADDRESS>/e\$
[00:04] <scottyg_> Enter SCOTTYG-W7-DESK\scottyg's password:
[00:04] <scottyg_> session request to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (Called name not present)
[00:04] <scottyg_> Domain=[SCOTTYG-W7-DESK] OS=[Windows 7 Ultimate 7601 Service Pack 1] Server=[Windows 7 Ultimate 6.1]
[00:04] <scottyg_> tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[00:04] <FloodBot1> scottyg_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:04] <psusi> scottyg_, well, don't know what to tell you... windows doesn't like your username or password
[00:04] <psusi> check caps lock
[00:04] <scottyg_> no but at least ubuntu can see the other machine...which is miraculous!
[00:04] <ikonia> http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-April/085175.html
[00:04] <ikonia> read that
[00:05] <thanogai> super os i love it
[00:05] <trism> john: you aren't on oneiric (11.10) are you?
[00:05] <scottyg_> caps lock is off and my friend just connected with the same credentials from her pc in win vista...flawlessly
[00:05] <Chaterz> thanogai, what th hell is super os ?
[00:06] <thanogai> ubuntu
[00:06] <escott> scottyg_, please read the link ikonia sent you above
[00:06] <psusi> smbclient -L SCOTTYG-W7-DESK -U scottyg //<IP_ADDRESS>/e\$
[00:06] <scottyg_> i read it twice:)
[00:07] <psusi> that *shouldn't* be required since this isn't win95
[00:07] <scottyg_> will that help me map a shared win7 drive from ubuntu?
[00:07] <ikonia> psusi: if you check a little deeper, you'll find it still appears to be valid in vista, so I'd assume it's a good possability it's still valid in win 7
[00:07] <ikonia> scottyg_: if you'd read it twice, you'd know the answer
[00:08] <ghostconn> how would i extract the files out of a .exe windows driver
[00:08] <ikonia> ghostconn: you don't,
[00:08] <scottyg_> so then you are telling me it IS impossible to map a win7 shared resource from ubuntu?
[00:08] <ikonia> yes
[00:09] <djangrono> nedd help plzz
[00:09] <mjc_> suop
[00:10] <mjc_> *sup djangrono
[00:10] <scottyg_> Domain=[SCOTTYG-W7-DESK] OS=[Windows 7 Ultimate 7601 Service Pack 1] Server=[Windows 7 Ultimate 6.1]
[00:10] <scottyg_> 	Sharename       Type      Comment
[00:10] <scottyg_> 	---------       ----      -------
[00:10] <scottyg_> 	ADMIN$          Disk      Remote Admin
[00:10] <scottyg_> 	C$              Disk      Default share
[00:10] <FloodBot1> scottyg_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:10] <djangrono> i just bought a new laptop
[00:10] <djangrono> and my wireless not detected
[00:10] <djangrono> asus x43u
[00:10] <BobJonkman> scottyg_ et al: The authentication mechanism for Windows file shares has changed several times since Win95, so that you can only map a drive from a more recent version of Win to an older version.  eg. mapping from Win7 to a WinXP share is OK, but can't map a drive from WinXP to a Win7 share
[00:10] <djangrono> T.T
[00:11] <mjc_> 2 secs
[00:11] <ikonia> BobJonkman: what's nonsense, I have a map from an XP desktop to a Windows 7 desktop now
[00:11] <nicekiwi> hey, ive got a SATA DVD drive and im trying to play a DVD with VLC but it just wont work?
[00:11] <scottyg_> hi bob...maybe you dont understand....i am using UBUNTU to try and map to a win7 shared drive:)
[00:12] <scottyg_> session request to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (Called name not present)
[00:12] <mjc_> djangrono what version of ubuntu and 32 or 64 ?
[00:12] <scottyg_> that was after i followed the instuctions in ikonias post
[00:13] <scottyg_> ubuntu 12   64 bit and windows 7 64 bit
[00:13] <scottyg_> has anyone here ever mapped a win 7 drive from ubuntu?
[00:13] <ikonia> scottyg_: yes, as I told you earlier
[00:14] <drkokandy> what do you mean mapped scottyg_ ? I frequently use samba to access files on local Win machines from Ubuntu, and I've shared from Ubuntu machines back
[00:15] <BobJonkman> ikonia: It may be possible to map from a WinXP computer to a Win7 share if you have admin rights on one of the computers (can't remember which one needs admin rights, or if both do).  And I don't have enough computers running Windows to be able to test...
[00:16] <ikonia> //alice.internal/c$  224G   93G  131G  42% /tmp/test
[00:16] <ikonia> just mapped a windows 7 drive now
[00:16] <BobJonkman> ikonia: Do you authenticate to the Win7 computer with admin credentials?
[00:16] <ChrisTX> BobJonkman: just wrong
[00:16] <ikonia> BobJonkman: no
[00:16] <ChrisTX> you don't need admin credentials
[00:16] <djangrono> someone plzz help
[00:17] <ChrisTX> what you think is password protected sharing
[00:17] <ChrisTX> if you leave that on, on the W7 machine it will obviously require a password
[00:17] <blackshirt> djangrono,maybe you want describe your problem?
[00:17] <ghostconn> can anyone help me solve this ? Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1385:5f01 Netgear, Inc WPN111 (no firmware)
[00:17] <BobJonkman> ChrisTX, ikonia: Interesting...  That's not been my experience
[00:18] <mjc_> djangrono: I asked you a minute ago what version of ubuntu are you running?
[00:18] <ikonia> ghostconn: the device has no firmware on your system
[00:18] <ikonia> ghostconn: the firmware will get loaded when you load the ubuntu module for it
[00:18] <ghostconn> ikonia : so should I just give up hope lol
[00:18] <djangrono> i just bought a new laptop @blackshirt
[00:19] <djangrono> and the wireless not detected
[00:19] <mjc_> yes
[00:19] <mjc_> we get that
[00:19] <blackshirt> djangrono, what wifi card you have ?
[00:20] <mjc_> djangrono: but ill say it again, what version of ubuntu are you running ?
[00:20] <djangrono> @blackshirt: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.10 DISTRIB_CODENAME=maverick DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.10" Linux icha-ayu 2.6.35-32-generic #67-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 5 19:35:26 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux icha@icha-ayu:~$ lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06) 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [10
[00:21] <kostkon> djangrono, 10.10?
[00:21] <ikonia> djangrono: why have you put ubuntu 10.10 on a new laptop ?
[00:21] <k1l_> djangrono: 10.10 is out of support. install  a release with is supported
[00:21] <djangrono> @ikonia: because i love the old ubuntu
[00:21] <anastasya> ikonia, lol
[00:21] <k1l_> djangrono: then use 10.04, its a LTS
[00:21] <escott> nicekiwi, did you install dvdcss?
[00:22] <DarKMode> djangrono try 12.04 th new hardware is supported
[00:22] <john> trism: i am on 12.04 (LXDE)
[00:22] <mjc_> djangrono: for that laptop all the drivers are fully supported on 12.04 (LTS) for sure.  Can run any DTE ontop of it if you want.
[00:22] <blackshirt> djangrono, i think that was for eth interfaces
[00:22] <scottyg_> dr kokandy.  i bet you cannot get my ubuntu machine to even CONNECT to my shared win 7 drive.
[00:22] <djangrono> just my wireless thing
[00:22] <scottyg_>  it is IMPOSSIBLE
[00:22] <ikonia> scottyg_: no it's not
[00:22] <brunost> does anybody know of any good guides I can follow to make ubuntu server boot from a pendrive to ram?
[00:22] <Erealz> is rsync capable of monitoring a folder and any changes and pust those new files over to set destination?
[00:23] <ikonia> scottyg_: I've just done it and showed you
[00:23] <djangrono> @blackshirt: how to know the wireless card?
[00:23] <jrib> Erealz: not by itself afaik.  But you could use inotify for that
[00:23] <scottyg_> you have?!?!! please send me the scripts or the code!!!
[00:23] <escott> Erealz, it doesn't "monitor" but yes
[00:23] <scottyg_> all i get are errors when i try!!!
[00:23] <kostkon> djangrono, you won't get any support for an version of ubuntu that is eol.
[00:24] <scottyg_> ikonia, i eagerly await your commands that will let me access a shared win 7 drive from ubuntu!!!
[00:24] <djangrono> @kostkon: that's why i go to the forum :D
[00:24] <kostkon> djangrono, try xubuntu or lubuntu 12.04 or 12.10,
[00:24] <blackshirt> djangrono, commonlya new laptop was built in with two network devices, one for lan card ethernet and one for wireleess devices
[00:25] <dougbb> xubuntu++ :)
[00:25] <Erealz> id like this to always run  when system start im guessing this can be acoblished with cronjob what the correct syntax for accomplishing sed feet?
[00:25] <scottyg_> when the networking guy from the job gave up, i thought it was impossible!
[00:25] <dougbb> any suggestions for this problem?  vi bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[00:25] <dougbb> bash: eval: line -978: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[00:25] <dougbb> bash: eval: line -978: `compgen -f -X !!(*.@(o|so|so.!(conf|*/*)|a|[rs]pm|gif|jp?(e)g|mp3|mp?(e)g|avi|asf|ogg|class)|*.@(O|SO|SO.!(CONF|*/*)|A|[RS]PM|GIF|JP?(E)G|MP3|MP?(E)G|AVI|ASF|OGG|CLASS)) -- $(quote_readline $cur)'
[00:25] <djangrono> ok blackshirt, how do i know my wireless cars\d?
[00:25] <scottyg_> can anyone please give me the exact syntax to connect a ubuntu machine to a shared win 7 drive?
[00:25] <blackshirt> erealz, i don't know what you need exactlyy,but i think you can read about related to inotify
[00:26] <saustin> For some reason, my Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't seem to recognize boot-repair as a package for installation, and my grub doesn't show my windows partition even though I just installed/booted into it before repairing the grub from a liveCD.  Anyone have thoughts on how I can get a graphical install for grub?
[00:26] <ikonia> scottyg_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1349430/
[00:26] <ikonia> scottyg_: there is proof it's easy
[00:26] <scottyg_> everyone says they can do it, but no one sends the statements
[00:26] <ikonia> scottyg_: I just did
[00:26] <kostkon> djangrono, i'm pretty sure that if oyu install 12.04 or 12.10, your wireless card will work right away.
[00:26] <Erealz> id like to my download folder to synce over any new files to my dropbox
[00:26] <ikonia> kostkon: how are you sure of that
[00:26] <blackshirt> djangrono, lspci | grep Network
[00:26] <ikonia> kostkon: what wireless card does he have ?
[00:27] <scottyg_> well ikonia, when i pasted that, i got a lot of errors!!! im afraid you failed me:(
[00:27] <ikonia> scottyg_: because that's MY command
[00:27] <ikonia> scottyg_: you fail
[00:27] <ikonia> not me
[00:27] <ikonia> mine works
[00:27] <blackshirt> djangrono, lspci | grep ethernet
[00:27] <djangrono> blackshirt: 04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 0032 (rev 01)
[00:27] <escott> Erealz, you have two options. you can run the job every 10minutes or so, or you can rely on inotify-watch or one of the other inotify commands to trigger the rsync call
[00:27] <blackshirt> Or something like them
[00:27] <scottyg_> would you like to try another statement?
[00:27] <kostkon> ikonia, eh, ok, let's find out
[00:28] <ikonia> scottyg_: why would I try another statement, that's what's needed for MY network
[00:28] <kostkon> oh it's an atheros
[00:28] <ikonia> it works
[00:28] <blackshirt> djangrono, greats, you have atheros based wifi chipset
[00:28] <scottyg_> i would be delighted to trry anything
[00:28] <ikonia> why would I change it
[00:28] <blackshirt> !atheros
[00:28] <LostAsylum> tabfail
[00:28] <blackshirt> !atheros | djangrono
[00:28] <djangrono> yup atheros blackshirt
[00:28] <scottyg_> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=scottyg,password=pex571 //<IP_ADDRESS>/e$ /media/shares
[00:28] <scottyg_> does not work for me:(
[00:28] <ikonia> scottyg_: stop pasting that
[00:28] <blackshirt> !info atheros
[00:28] <ikonia> scottyg_: we know it doesn't work for you
[00:29] <djangrono> thx ubottu
[00:29] <scottyg_> ohhh i was hoping you understood that i need a statement that DOES work...
[00:29] <ikonia> scottyg_: mine does work
[00:29] <Erealz> is it called i watch
[00:29] <scottyg_> would anyone like to try?
[00:29] <LostAsylum> scottyg_: are you dumb?
[00:29] <LostAsylum> google that shit
[00:29] <ikonia> as i've just shown you
[00:29] <ikonia> scottyg_: I've explained why yours doen't work
[00:29] <ikonia> LostAsylum: unacceptable language.
[00:30] <scottyg_> lost.  if i told you i was a drooling moron would you help me?
[00:30] <scottyg_> ikonia, but i addressed that issue
[00:30] <ikonia> scottyg_: no you didn't, that's why you are still typing the same command, despite the info I gave you
[00:30] <LostAsylum> what ikonia: dumb?
[00:30] <scottyg_> ikonia, can you design a statement that will work?
[00:30] <djangrono> so blackshirt? do you have ant advice?
[00:30] <ikonia> scottyg_: re-read the email link I gave you
[00:30] <bazhang> LostAsylum, just move on
[00:30] <Erealz> i  did a apt-cache search and iwatch iseems to me the name of the tool yes or no?
[00:30] <scottyg_> i am not a networking professional....i apologize
[00:31] <LostAsylum> bazhang: smd?
[00:31] <scottyg_>   will youplease write a command that i can try?
[00:31] <ikonia> scottyg_: no
[00:31] <ikonia> scottyg_: as it's specific to your network
[00:31] <escott> !find inotify-watch | Erealz
[00:31] <scottyg_> because you KNOW it wont work:)
[00:31] <bazhang> LostAsylum, stop with the editorializing
[00:31] <ikonia> scottyg_: it does work I've just proved it,
[00:31] <drkokandy> I missed the earlier part of this conversation - Would the GUI way help? Open Nautilus, and in the bottom of the left column you may be able to "Browse Network Shares" - find the machine you'd like to connect to and click it
[00:31] <escott> Erealz, stupid ubottu. package is inotify-tools
[00:31] <LostAsylum> ? english ?
[00:31] <scottyg_> but i typed it in and it failesd
[00:31] <escott> Erealz, and please include peoples nicks in your messages
[00:31] <ikonia> scottyg_: i you think it doesn't work and I'm telling you lies, give up now, bye
[00:31] <dougbb> Erealz: an easy way to solve that problem is to create a Downloads folder in your dropbox, and then make the folder in your home directory a symlink to it
[00:32] <scottyg_>   you have all the info you need about my network!!!!!
[00:32] <scottyg_> can anyone tell me how to access a win 7 shared drive from ubuntu?
[00:32] <ikonia> scottyg_: I've told you
[00:32] <ikonia> scottyg_: I've given you the email list, plus my own working example
[00:32] <LostAsylum> scottyg_ ur network fails and your left hand is probably really sore from moving that mouse.
[00:32] <Erealz> this is true
[00:32] <rypervenche> Wow, it's a broken record in here.
[00:33] <Erealz> that is a good simple yet afective  idea dougbb
[00:33] <scottyg_> ikonia, i have tried to explain i am not an ubuntu guru...nor am  i a networking specialist.
[00:33] <Erealz> i think ill do that
[00:34] <scottyg_> your mom doesnt fail me lost asylum...you chicken raping sodomite:)
[00:34] <dougbb> Erealz: glad I could help :)
[00:34] <drkokandy> or open nautilus, hit ALT, type in connect to server, and insert the location
[00:34] <k3ithk_> The support matrix for "Mactel" stops at 11.10, where can I determine the compatability of 12.04 with a macbook 2,1?
[00:35] <djangrono> blackshirt orang indonesia toh
[00:35] <jrib> k3ithk_: should work fine (I have a 4,1 and have no problems)
[00:35] <jrib> k3ithk_: try a live cd
[00:38] <zack> is it possible to put color in an alias in zsh?
[00:38] <escott> zack, what would that mean?
[00:39] <zack> escott: so say when I type pwd I want it to always turn up green.  is that possible?
[00:39] <zack> escott: I'm thinking along the same lines as how one would color their prompt (which I have done)
[00:39] <escott> zack, no. if you typed in pwd it would show up as pwd
[00:39] <jrib> zack: that should be possible, see something similar at https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-syntax-highlighting
[00:39] <escott> zack, aliases are interpreted after you press ENTER
[00:41] <k3ithk_> jrib: Thanks, will do.
[00:41] <warfaren> hmm can i get help with fglrx here? can't get it to work with my ati card on ubuntu 10.04. or would you recommend me somehwere else?
[00:41] <zack> escott: I understand.  I want the output of pwd to show up green
[00:42] <jrib> zack: wait you want to color the /output/?
[00:42] <escott> zack, you could try aliasing pwd to something like "echo -e \colorcode; pwd; echo -e \colorcode"
[00:43] <zack> escott: that's what i'm trying. i keep getting an error that the color code isn't a proper command. one sec. let me recreate it.
[00:43] <zack> jrib: as i in type pwd, hit enter, and /home/zack turns up in green
[00:43] <escott> zack, aliases in general are not meant to expand to multiple commands
[00:43] <escott> zack, because that breaks things like cp `pwd`/foo /bar
[00:44] <dougbb> you can write a function to accomplish the same thing just as easily
[00:44] <jrib> zack: oh. syntax highlighting actually just highlights your command as you type it.  So you could highlight "pwd".  If you want to color the output, well... if you can't get the alias to work just write a small shell script and put it in ~/bin/ I guess
[00:44] <warfaren> i've got a FireGL V3200 and i donwloaded the fglrx 12.6 drivers as i thought the card would be supported in that version of the driver. however when i'm trying to insmod the module it built i get "No such device"
[00:44] <warfaren> that's a legacy version btw
[00:45] <dougbb> jrib: no need for a script, a function will work just as well
[00:45] <jrib> dougbb: sure
[00:45] <maicod> when opening multiple logins bash keeps track of the commands in multiple .bash_history files it seems because sometimes when logging back in I get a bash history of another login I had used. where is the bash history of these other logins stored ?
[00:45] <zack> so I should stop trying to get alias pwd='$fg_no_bold_[green]pwd' to work?
[00:45] <dougbb> zack: right :)
[00:46] <zack> d'oh
[00:46] <dougbb> what you're doing is the province of a function
[00:46] <warfaren> maicod: by default, the history of last shell you close gets written to ~/ .bash_history
[00:46] <haraken> sheriffbot: rollout 134069 "It is a wrong way to fix the problem. See discussions in bug 96614"
[00:46] <dougbb> zack: as someone else pointed out, aliases are designed for single things, not compound ones
[00:47] <dougbb> warfaren: the last shell you log out of will write it's history out to $HISTFILE
[00:47] <haraken> sorry, ignore the above message. I posted to a wrong channel:)
[00:47] <dougbb> it's not a compound process
[00:47] <warfaren> yeah.
[00:47] <maicod> warfaren: yeah but the others are kept somewhere else since they turn up sometimes when later logging into a new shell
[00:48] <zack> dougbb: I mean.. is a color code a command?  beacuse that's the error I get - it doesn't recognize it as as command. and even if it were shouldn't && handle that?
[00:48] <maicod> so where is that stored :)
[00:48] <dougbb> maicod: echo $HISTFILE
[00:48] <ezi0d> Anybody here has dual boot of windows 8 and ubuntu?
[00:48] <warfaren> i don't think so. they're per user so if you were logged into different users you would get all of them saved
[00:48] <dougbb> zack: as soon as you get && involved, it's not proper for an alias
[00:49] <dougbb> zack: writing functions isn't hard ... stop resisting :)
[00:49] <warfaren> but if you have multiple shells with the same user up at the same time and just kill them one by one only the history of the last one will get written, the rest are lost
[00:49] <zack> dougbb: i'm not resisting. i'm learning. i'm learning why it's wrong or won't work.
[00:49] <maicod> dougbb: thats .bash_history ofc ;)
[00:50] <dougbb> maicod: ok, so check that for each of your shells, it will tell you where they are being stored
[00:50] <maicod> OK
[00:50] <maicod> thanks
[00:51] <Anom01y> http://www.naturalnews.com/037832_superfoods_stockpiling_survival.html
[00:51] <escott> warfaren, that can be fixed with shopt variables
[00:51] <maicod> Anom01y:scared for the end of the world?
[00:51] <dougbb> zack: fair enough .... the bash man page has a very good explanation of aliases, and when/why they are applicable
[00:51] <warfaren> escott: are you talking about my graphics problem?
[00:52] <escott> warfaren, the history being lost issue
[00:52] <warfaren> i see. doh :(
[00:52] <warfaren> i'm really hoping to get fglrx working. can't even watch youtube fluidly with the open source driver :(
[00:53] <Jordan_U> !ot | Anom01y
[00:53] <escott> maicod, if you problem is history being overwritten its easily fixed
[00:58] <dolphin> hello everyone!
[00:58] <jrib> funnily enough, zack's alias actually works :P
[00:59] <escott> jrib, except for being completely unsafe
[00:59] <jrib> escott: why unsafe?
[00:59] <escott> jrib, what happens with: "cp `pwd`/foo /bar"
[01:00] <jrib> escott: gotcha
[01:02] <MonolithImmortal> HEY GUYS, I INSTALLED UBUNTU ON MY COMPUTER, AND FORWHATEVER REASON CAPSLOCK IS STUCK ON
[01:02] <MonolithImmortal> WHAT DO I DO?
[01:02] <FloodBot1> MonolithImmortal: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:04] <warfaren> MonolithImmortal: if you're really being serious and you're using a laptop. try connecting an external keyboard and press caps lock on that one. i need to do that sometimes when the laptop's built in key doesn't do anything
[01:04] <escott> MonolithImmortal, thats odd. only way i've ever seen that is to hit capslock and then remap the capslock key with xmodmap.
 Is capslock light on?
[01:05] <zeronewb> hello
[01:05] <warfaren> wonder if he was trolling. using a web client and being able to set a nickname like that with upper and lower case chars.. just saying...
[01:06] <zeronewb> can someone help me pleas? i installed zentyal on ubuntu server and after the installation it came up with ldap configuration...what is ti and how should i configure it?
[01:06] <escott> !ldap | zeronewb
[01:06] <zeronewb> !ldap
[01:07] <escott> zeronewb, ldap can be used for various purposes. from corporate email address books, to synchronizing usernames and passwords across multiple computers. not sure what zentyal is or how it uses ldap
[01:08] <zeronewb> it's web interface to configure the server
[01:09] <zeronewb> it just came up with a configuration screen right after the installation
[01:09] <escott> zeronewb, if you only have one server you aren't using ldap
[01:09] <zeronewb> i have no clue on how to configure it tho
[01:09] <VlanX> i am desperately trying to fix 100 full duplex on my NICs with ethtool, but after a network reset they all come back with autonegotiatio. Could somebody help?
[01:09] <dougbb> VlanX: why aren't you using auto on both sides?
[01:10] <VlanX> dougbb: because it's a server
[01:10] <VlanX> and i need to have fixed 100 fdx
[01:10] <dougbb> what does that have to do with anything?
[01:10] <nicekiwi> escott, no. VLC dosnt need that does it?
[01:10] <dougbb> autoneg has been the recommendation for networking equipment for over 15 years
[01:11] <escott> nicekiwi, what?
[01:11] <zeronewb> it asks me for ldap server address...should i configure it with the ip of my server?
 Why is autonegotiation is bad? Are you using some ancient switch or something?
[01:11] <VlanX> dougbb: that might also be, but in my case i keep having half duplex with autoneg
[01:11] <VlanX> dolphin: no it's a Cisco ME-3400
[01:11] <escott> zeronewb, are you running ldap?
[01:12] <zeronewb> idk i just installed zentyal
[01:12] <zeronewb> i don't think so
[01:12] <dougbb> VlanX: power off the server (or disconnect the network cable), reset the switch, configure the server for autoneg, and then reconnect/power on
[01:12] <escott> zeronewb, if you aren't running ldap i would skip that question
[01:12] <zeronewb> i can't there is just ok and go back....and the step before was chosing a password for root
 Did you try another cable/patchcord  (if it's possible)?
[01:12] <escott> nicekiwi, i have no idea what you are talking about.... are you jumping into a new question or is this from earlier
[01:13] <gaetano> hello! who knows how to test the result of code in geany?
[01:13] <dougbb> VlanX: you get yourself into all kinds of problems if you start mucking about with it manually ... dolphin's idea is a good thing to look at as well
[01:13] <escott> zeronewb, im going to suggest that you shouldnt be installing whatever you are installing. ubuntu has no root password. and a well secured system probably should not have a root password
[01:13] <zeronewb> i think it's actually the setup for ldap...maybe the interface needs it
[01:14] <zeronewb> root password foe ldap
[01:14] <zeronewb> before that i had to configure mysql
[01:14] <cpare> Hello room - Over the last week a patch broke my Gnome3 shell - are others impacted by this?
[01:14] <VlanX> dougbb, dolphin, even if i was that crazy to be willing to force 100/fdx, is there a file i can store that string? I can always restore the previous values...
[01:14] <zeronewb> i think it's the web interface that needs it
[01:15] <escott> VlanX, /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:15] <VlanX> escott: do you happen to know what is the syntax to use?
 I've had a problem like that - realtek netcard - zyxel wifi router gave halfduplex and older stupid switch connected at full-duplex. I've messed with them for some time, then used a factory-made patchcord and voila - full duplex with any hardware. I think it has something to do with modern trend of "green power"
[01:16] <escott> VlanX, i've never messed with stuff at that low a level
[01:16] <dougbb> zeronewb: you realize that the mysql root password is something totally different than the system root password, right?
[01:16] <zeronewb> yes
 Best idea i have right now is to have ethtool command set up in cron
[01:16] <halfduplex> dolphin: you called?
[01:16] <VlanX> dolphin: i do have a realtek card
[01:16] <halfduplex> kidding
[01:17] <VlanX> god realtek sucks so bad
 me too, good old rtl8139c
 :)
[01:19] <gaetano> anyone knows ho to get a browser test on geany?
[01:20] <frigginglorious> hey can anyone help me with an FTP server error?
[01:20] <frigginglorious> i have been searching forums for the past 5 hours
 - whats the error?
[01:20] <escott> frigginglorious, real ftp server of sftp?
[01:21] <frigginglorious> and cant figure out why i cant connect to my server anymore
[01:21] <frigginglorious> sftp works fine
[01:21] <frigginglorious> ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server
[01:21] <cpare> frigginglorious - so you still have a listener running
[01:21] <escott> frigginglorious, ie you are using proftpd or the like...
[01:21] <dougbb> frigginglorious: look in the auth.log on the server side
[01:21] <frigginglorious> pure-ftpd
[01:22] <frigginglorious> but i have tried installing 3 different servers
[01:22] <frigginglorious> vsftpd, proftpd
[01:22] <dougbb> could be a firewall issue as well
[01:22] <escott> frigginglorious, is there a reason you are using ftp instead of sftp
 - Firewall Issue
[01:22] <OpenSorce> frigginglorious, you trying to connect over a lan or the web?
[01:22] <frigginglorious> how would i fix a firewall issue in lubuntu?
[01:23] <cpare> frigginglorious - how about an iptables /f
[01:23] <blackshirt> frigginglorious, exactly,what the error is?
[01:23] <cpare> frigginglorious - the /f will purge them
[01:23] <frigginglorious> honestly ive tried screwing with iptables, but dont know what im doing
[01:23] <cpare> frigginglorious - flush
[01:24] <OpenSorce> frigginglorious, you positive your ports are open on the target machine?
[01:24] <frigginglorious> the error is from when i try to connect with my client. I was never able to get pure-ftpd to log correctly
[01:24] <escott> frigginglorious, another thing you have to deal with in ftp is the control port vs the data port issue
[01:24] <frigginglorious> im SSH'd into the machine right now, so at least some ports have to be open
[01:24] <escott> frigginglorious, it can really confuse NATs
[01:24] <escott> frigginglorious, sftp would be a lot easier to setup and more secure
[01:25] <frigginglorious> yeah, SFTP does work
[01:25] <OpenSorce> frigginglorious, the SSH port is different than the FTP port. I'd recommend sftp and check the router settings
[01:25] <dougbb> frigginglorious: stick with sftp if it works ... encryption is your friend :)
[01:25] <frigginglorious> but FTP is more universal, my wordpress will allow me to do alot more with FTP
[01:26] <ikonia> frigginglorious: wordpress supports sftp just as much as ftp
[01:26] <escott> frigginglorious, you are missing my point. ftp is insecure. the only reason you should even think of doing ftp is if you want anonymous access. you can offer something much the same with ssh in many situations
[01:27] <escott> frigginglorious, you haven't stated your use case, but we can likely accomplish your goals with openssh and the sftp module. it will be easier and more secure. if you just tell us what it is you want to do
[01:27] <suhaib> Does anyone knows where can I find the XChat freenode server ?
[01:28] <suhaib> lnow*
[01:28] <suhaib> know**
[01:28] <cpare> frigginglorious - escott is correct
[01:28] <frigginglorious> well i would like to be able to install wordpress themes from the web GUI
[01:28] <cpare> frigginglorious - ftp sends user/pass in clear text, any packet capture tool will show it
[01:28] <escott> frigginglorious, so why would you need an ftp-server to do that?
[01:29] <cpare> frigginglorious - in fact you may want to just transfer files via SSH with something like winSCP
[01:30] <frigginglorious> isnt SSH and SFTP kind of the same thing?
[01:30] <frigginglorious> they both use port 22, right?
[01:30] <escott> frigginglorious, SFTP uses the SSH protocol, but talks FTP. so the commands are ftp commands instead of a full shell
[01:31] <cpare> Hello room - 2-3 weeks ago a patch broke my Gnome3 shell - have other users been reporting this?
[01:31] <escott> frigginglorious, in any case if you are wanting to upload a theme to wordpress.com you don't need a server. you need a client
[01:31] <crackerjackz> i tried upgrading from what ever version to 11.10 but it only did a partial upgrade and now everything is all crazy my sound doesn't work and i keep getting this message about the laptop battery being critally low even though it's not.. it pops up like every 3 seconds and it covers up all of my windows that i want to be in focus
[01:31] <escott> cpare, check launchpad.net
[01:31] <cpare> thx escott
[01:32] <escott> frigginglorious, and your webbrowser can probably do ftp. or you can get fireftp? plugin for firefox
[01:33] <escott> crackerjackz, have you completed the upgrade?
[01:33] <lloowen1> I have ubuntu running on a USB stick. I want to copy it over to another USB. What command could I use that will make sure I get an exact copy with all hidden files and file permissions? Thanks..
[01:33] <frigginglorious> i was mostly just using notepadd ++ ftp client because i was just doing simple web dev
[01:34] <escott> lloowen1, you would need to copy with "dd" to get a bit for bit copy that would be bootable
[01:34] <crackerjackz> when i open the update manager it says not all updates can be installed, run a partial upgrade to run as many udates as possible...this can be caused by a previus upgrade which didn't complete.. problems with some installed software, unofficial software packages not provided by ubuntu, normal changes of a pre-release version of ubuntu
[01:34] <crackerjackz> escott: it wont let me
[01:34] <escott> lloowen1, that can only be done if stick2 is at least as large as stick1
[01:34] <escott> crackerjackz, on the terminal can you run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade;"
[01:34] <dougbb> crackerjackz: the easiest way to solve that problem is to back up your data, and do a clean install
[01:34] <lloowen1> escott: Thanks. I'll check out the 'dd' command
[01:35] <escott> crackerjackz, on the terminal can you run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f upgrade;" (with the f is a bit better)
[01:35] <crackerjackz> dougbb: i don't wanna do that because of the truecrypt and all of that i have things configured a certain way on here it'd end up being more time consuiming i think
[01:35] <douzto> Hi ! My ubuntu freezes at boot, just after the pointer shows up. By switching to another TTy before the pointer appears then switching back to TTy 7 the desktop loads fine. Booting in recovery mode does the trick too. Any clue ? Thanks.
[01:36] <dougbb> crackerjackz: I don't see how TC would have anything to do with it
[01:36] <crackerjackz> dougbb: cause it took me forever to set it up
[01:36] <crackerjackz> and i just did it the other day
[01:36] <crackerjackz> like 100 gb of data
[01:37] <dougbb> crackerjackz: I have way more than that on various TC devices, no sympathy from me :)
[01:37] <DarKMode> douzto check the log files
[01:37] <dougbb> crackerjackz: are you using TC on devices, or using file/folders
[01:37] <retromingent> What is the best way to download music from Ubuntu 12.04 to an Android Galaxy S3?  Nothing I've found on-line works.
[01:37] <crackerjackz> dougbb: i dont have enough space to back all that up
[01:38] <DarKMode> douzto try dmseg
[01:38] <escott> retromingent, you have to install something that speaks that weird PIP protocol or whatever it is
[01:38] <dougbb> crackerjackz: if you don't have enough backup capability for all your data, that's a whole different problem that you need to solve :)
[01:38] <retromingent> It's MTP.  I have that.
[01:39] <dougbb> retromingent: why not just mount the device, and transfer the files?
[01:39] <retromingent> It mounts, but no music player recognizes it.  And neither does Dolphin.
[01:39] <escott> retromingent, $ sudo aptitude install mtpfs; mkdir ~/android/; mount.mtpfs ~/android/; does that work
[01:40] <crackerjackz> dougbb: but i don't need to reinstall my OS either...
[01:40] <retromingent> When it mounts as an MTP FS, Dolphin says, "Could not display" when trying to open the device.
[01:40] <dougbb> crackerjackz: apparently you do :)
[01:40] <escott> for want of a 5 cent circuit the usb gadget was lost... for want of a usb gadget
[01:40] <retromingent> Looking for someone who has done this.
[01:41] <bastidrazor> for want of a nail
[01:41] <crackerjackz> escott: it worked i think
[01:41] <crackerjackz> i'm not getting an error message when i go to the update manager nore
[01:41] <crackerjackz> now*
[01:42] <crackerjackz> upgrading to 12.04...
[01:42] <retromingent> Has anyone successfully downloaded music from Ubuntu 12.04 to Android Galaxy S3 via MTP?
[01:44] <dougbb> retromingent: I didn't see an answer to the question of why not just mount the device as a regular disk?
[01:45] <escott> dougbb, its not a regular disk. its a ptp device you can fuse mount it
[01:45] <escott> dougbb, or mtp rather
[01:45] <douzto> DarKMode, dmesg shows last boot's record, right ?
[01:45] <dougbb> ah
[01:47] <escott> dougbb, its obnoxious. a little additional circuitry and they could enable gadget mode in the kernel and export usb mass storage from an ext3 filesystem
[01:47] <dougbb> escott: right .... I have an LG android phone that lets me mount both the system disk and the sd card
[01:48] <dougbb> escott: do you happen to know if the nexus 7 has the same problem?
[01:48] <escott> dougbb, its one of the main reasons im not upgrading to ICS
[01:48] <dougbb> I'm thinking of buying one
[01:49] <crackerjackz> escott: why don't you want ICS? i've been waiting on them to upgrade to ICS for a year now on the motorola electrify.. i'm still on 2.3.5
[01:50] <escott> crackerjackz, this should go in offtopic. but i dont want to give up usb mass storage mode
[01:50] <crackerjackz> ahhh i see
[01:51] <Linkandzelda> hey, does anyone know if I can use dd to make a Mac OS X usb installer from ubuntu?
[01:56] <Phaba_> how do i know when its possible to get devel libs from an apt-get install command rather than having to DL the source and use the config / make files??
[01:56] <Phaba_> the apt-get is easier
[01:58] <eamon> How do I get a good looking terminal like this? http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1352597160213.png I saved this file as my .bashrc (the guy who has that shell uses the same file) http://pastebin.com/7CudGSG4 but it looks like this - http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1352598645033.png
[02:00] <k1l_> eamon: is this ubuntu related?
[02:00] <lunaphyte> eamon: why are you asking here?
[02:00] <jrib> eamon: right click -> edit profile
[02:00] <drkokandy> that's OSX
[02:00] <lunaphyte> wrong os
[02:01] <metasansana> wrong side of the force
[02:02] <Phaba_> devel libs guys??
[02:02] <escott> Phaba_, there is usually a -dev package that contains headers you can build against
[02:03] <Phaba_> well i just installed the openmpi libs but from source i found it really hard, and theres a simple "apt-get install" command that would have done it all for me
[02:03] <Phaba_> i have a the same problem with openvas
[02:03] <escott> Phaba_, apt-get install openmpi-dev
[02:04] <Phaba_> yes openmpi works fine now, cheers
[02:04] <escott> Phaba_, you dont need to build openmpi. you need to build against openmpi. so you just need the -dev version of the package to have the headers
[02:04] <VlanX> when i type  ifconfig eth0 up, is he reading from /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:07] <Phaba_> escott, what do you mean "against"?? headers just reference the source libs?
[02:07] <eamon> lunaphyte: Because there are other bash users in this channel. Bash is the shell in the "terminal window", you may not ever have seen it before.
[02:08] <lunaphyte> eamon: excuse me?
[02:08] <ghostconn> is there anything more simple but has the same affect as conky
[02:08] <escott> Phaba_, the *.so contains entry points and symbols (you can view them by running "nm /path/to/libraryname.so"  but to compile a program that will link against those libraries you need the header files which contain all the function prototypes and declarations specific to the language you are coding in
 eamon: why are you asking here?
[02:08] <ncfi1013> hi...would anyone mind terribly if i troubled you for some information on what might be the most useful file format converter for .flac to .mp3?
[02:09] <ghostconn> dont convert flac it too good to loose bitrate
[02:09] <lunaphyte> eamon: i know what bash is, i know what a terminal window is, and i know if i wanted help with it, i'd ask in #bash, not here.
[02:09] <escott> Phaba_, you get all that when you build the thing by hand but you dont have to do that with ubuntu. the split the make install part that installs the library and the make install-headers part that installs the prototypes into different packages
[02:09] <eamon> lunaphyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_%28Unix_shell%29
[02:09] <lunaphyte> eamon: are you even USING ubuntu?
[02:09] <eamon> Yes.
[02:09] <escott> eamon, yeah but the problem is your terminal application in OSX is lame
[02:09] <lunaphyte> eamon: not in that screenshot you're not
[02:10] <lunaphyte> eamon: i'm not the one asking for help.  stop it.
[02:11] <lunaphyte> eamon: maybe you're not familiar with bash?
[02:11] <lunaphyte> eamon: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html
[02:12] <OerHeks> ncfi1013, soundconverter, or terminal :  for f in *;do flac -cd $f |lame -b 128 - $f.mp3;done     ( 128 or 190 or 256)
[02:13] <ghostconn> file:///media/Media%20Server/music/Above%20And%20Beyond%20-%20Trance%20Around%20The%20World%20400/33%20Orjan%20Nilsen%20-%20Viking.mp3
[02:15] <ghostconn> can anyone recommend a good piano rool software for my alberton live controller?
[02:15] <ghostconn> its midi
[02:17] <eamon> adobe audition
[02:17] <ikonia> ghostconn: you're going to struggle for professional grade music proction tools in linux
[02:18] <ghostconn> ikonia : do you think flstudio od ableton would run through wine?
[02:21] <zatan> ikonia, do u still here ?
[02:22] <wyclif> ikonia: right. if you want pro music studio stuff it's illogical not to go with Mac (and I say that as a devoted Linux user since 1995)
[02:22] <Phaba_> escott, okay when using the "make" it installs the libs and headers into /usr/lib but what im asking is when do i know or how would i find out that i could just use an "apt-get install" rather than pulling the source code in and making it from scratch, using things like flags and finding non default local libs is a bit of a pain for me :P
[02:24] <VlanX> i have two NICs; when i enable the second NIC how can i prevent to have messed up routes (the 2nd NIC will become the default route to the internet, but it's a private LAN)
[02:25] <psusi> Phaba_, you can use the software center, synaptic, or apt-cache search to search for packages
[02:25] <thanigoi> my hard disk have no space. how to get free space on ununtui file system
[02:26] <dougbb> thanigoi: well, the obvious answer is to delete some files :)
[02:26] <thanigoi> there will be system files
[02:27] <ubuntu__> rtin
[02:27] <dougbb> thanigoi: right, so don't delete anything you don't understand
[02:27] <dougbb> thanigoi: perhaps if you said a little bit more about what you're trying to accomplish?
[02:27] <psusi> the next obvious answer is to get a larger hard drive ;)
[02:28] <k1l_> thanigoi: delete old kernels with the package: "linux-image-..."
[02:28] <Kuryuu> http://askubuntu.com/q/214798/106577 <----- Having some issues with my upgrade would appreciate any feedback, thanks
[02:28] <k1l_> thanigoi: and remove the apt-get caches and old files with apt-get autoremove and autoclean
[02:28] <thanigoi> dougbb, there will be system files
[02:29] <OerHeks> thanigoi, use bleachit to clean you ubuntu filesystem, uninstall programs you never use.
[02:30] <thanigoi> thaks
[02:30] <thanigoi> thanks
[02:32] <definity> Any one here know about /dev and drivers?
[02:33] <Magiobiwan> definity, it depends
[02:33] <ikonia> definity: just ask the question
[02:33] <Easton_> If I have an OEM license key, can I install Ubuntu over Windows 7 then make a virtual machine of 7 on the same computer with the OEM license key?
[02:34] <definity> why does psaux only output the same character to the terminal screen when i look at it
[02:34] <Jordan_U> Easton_: That's more of a question for ##windows.
[02:35] <psusi> definity, what?
[02:36] <definity> when i look at /dev/psaux in the terminal all i see is the same character repeated when i move the mouse. how come the charater is the same one and not diffrent bits of data
[02:36] <psusi> definity, probably because it's binary data so it just comes out as undefined characters
[02:37] <definity> but its just one character not diffrent ones
[02:38] <psusi> definity, it is probably several different ones that all show up as the junk character block
[02:38] <psusi> the point is, you aren't supposed to cat /dev/psaux... you won't get anything sensical
[02:38] <definity> what would be the best way to see the data?
[02:38] <psusi> what is it that you are trying to see?
[02:39] <definity> i want to know how the mouse sends its data to memory
[02:40] <definity> well see the data
[02:41] <psusi> definity, you can use hd to dump it as hex
[02:41] <Wulfe> http://askubuntu.com/q/214798/106577 <----- Having some issues with my upgrade would appreciate any feedback, thanks
[02:42] <definity> cool thanks
[02:46] <Scunizi> fdisk -l reveals 3 separate drives on my system.  1 of the remaining 2 drives could be running my current boot environment.  How do I tell which one?
[02:46] <Random832> mount ?
[02:47] <void> Hey, can anyone help me with a wireless issue I'm having?
[02:48] <Scunizi> Random832: ok.. I see sda1 is ext4 and sda3 is /home .. I can't really identify where /swap is unless it's labeled something different..
[02:48] <Lord_Zero> Is an SSH server runing by default on a fresh install of 12.10?
[02:49] <Scunizi> Lord_Zero: not typically.. sudo apt-get install ssh
[02:49] <dougbb> here's a silly question, is there anything in stock ubuntu 12.10 that is feeding the /dev/random entropy pool?
[02:49] <Lord_Zero> Scunizi:  thank you my good man
[02:49] <Magiobiwan> Unless it's a Server Install
[02:49] <Scunizi> true
[02:49] <Magiobiwan> If sshd wasn't running default
[02:49] <Scunizi> Lord_Zero: is it a server install?
[02:49] <Magiobiwan> You might have a problem
[02:49] <Lord_Zero> A budy is having issues with sound. Im trying to troubleshoot with my limited knowledge of Ubuntu
[02:50] <Scunizi> Lord_Zero: and he's in a gui environment?
[02:50] <Lord_Zero> If I recall isnt there some sound libraries or drivers I need to get that arent out of the box?
[02:50] <Lord_Zero> Yes
[02:50] <Scunizi> Lord_Zero: he might just need to install pavcontrol and then go from there..
[02:51] <Lord_Zero> I see
[02:51] <Scunizi> Lord_Zero: that will give a different control panel for the sound and you can then choose input and output items separately.
[02:51] <Lord_Zero> is that in aptitude?
[02:51] <Lord_Zero> oh okay
[02:51] <Scunizi> Lord_Zero: yes.. also.. if you want to see his screen with out ssh.. use teamviewer.. it's free and runs on everything.
[02:52] <Lord_Zero> Oh very good point
[02:52] <Lord_Zero> ill try that
[02:56] <ghostconn> has anyone installed flstudio with ubuntu using wine
[02:57] <ikonia> ghostconn: something I'd strongly suggest not doing
[02:57] <shing`> Is it possible to create a raid setup with a mirrored boot partition across three drives, and have the remainder of the space be raid 5? (minus swap of course)
[02:57] <shing`> has anyone done anything like that?
[02:57] <ikonia> shing`: no
[02:57] <ikonia> shing`: mirror = 1->1
[02:57] <ikonia> or 1->1->1
[02:59] <dougbb> shing` you're much better off keeping your system on a simple partition, and RAID'ing your data
[02:59] <dougbb> d'oh
[02:59] <ghostconn> ikonia: can you install windows driver with wine
[02:59] <ikonia> ghostconn: not really
[02:59] <ghostconn> ok
[02:59] <ikonia> ghostconn: trying to use a daw or a hardware interface through wine - will fail
[02:59] <ikonia> the abstraction layer takes it away from the real time responses needed
[03:02] <hammersickle> hello is anyone running steam native?
[03:02] <hammersickle> im unable to download team fortress 2
[03:03] <ikonia> hammersickle: this isn't the steam support channel
[03:05] <hammersickle> oh sorry didnt realise just asking on the slight chance of help was such a big problem
[03:08] <Wulfe> heh, steam on linux is in beta anyways so gl geting any real support as of yet unlesss its from the offical group on steam.
[03:09] <Xanthippus> Hi guys
[03:09] <killer> hi....i want pcmanfm (for the sake of speed)to control my desktop instead of nautilus .......is there a way i can do it
[03:10] <Xanthippus> Can someone post an example of shared memory? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StricterDefaults
[03:10] <ikonia> killer: use lubuntu
[03:10] <Xanthippus> I inserted the string in my fstab but I keeping screwing up the boot...
[03:11] <killer> ikonla: i like unity but nautilus turns out to b too slow as compared to pcmanfm
[03:11] <ikonia> killer: you can't have both
[03:11] <Xanthippus> How bout Thunar?
[03:11] <dougbb> Xanthippus: paste the exact line from fstab
[03:11] <ikonia> killer: you can certainly use pcmanfm but have it intergrated into the desktop....not
[03:11] <Xanthippus> The line from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StricterDefaults
[03:12] <dougbb> Xanthippus: no, paste what YOU have
[03:12] <ikonia> Xanthippus: which line
[03:12] <dougbb> in YOUR fstab
[03:12] <Xanthippus> There is no more "my fstab"
[03:12] <Xanthippus> I formatted the HD because it won't booth
[03:13] <Xanthippus> I just need an example of that line incorporated in an example fstab so I know how to do it corrctly
[03:13] <ikonia> Xanthippus: that example in the wiki is valid
[03:14] <dougbb> Xanthippus: it's overwhelmingly likely that you made a tiny-but-important error when you pasted the line
[03:15] <dougbb> you might want to skip that in any case, it's highly doubtful that you'll run into problems with shared memory on a single-user system
[03:17] <kristoffer> what command to see my system info like rams and etc
[03:17] <kristoffer> ?
[03:17] <ikonia> "free" ?
[03:20] <Xanthippus> dougbb: Yeah, that's probably it. That's why need an example, so I know how it's supposed to look after copy/pasted
[03:20] <alusion_> Is there a way I can record .gif's during a movie in ubuntu? someone told me photoshop
[03:20] <ikonia> Xanthippus: the example in that wiki is genuine
[03:20] <ikonia> Xanthippus: it should look exactly like that example
[03:20] <ghostconn> ikonia: i got flstudi 10 working with wine everything works wine ... the only minor problem i have is I usually use asio for faster response from my live midi controller any way around that
[03:20] <Xanthippus> ikonia: I know it's valid, but I already reinstalled twice using that string and it wouldn't booth
[03:21] <dougbb> Xanthippus: what problem are you trying to solve by changing that setting?
[03:21] <Xanthippus> dougbb: Following this guide: http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics
[03:21] <ikonia> ghostconn: I really wish you'd listen "it won't work due to the abstraction layer taking it away from the real time response needed for a daw"
[03:21] <ikonia> ghostconn: what is the point of asking if it works, being told "no" doing it anyway, saying it works, but doesn't
[03:22] <ikonia> ghostconn: it doesn't work, the daw requires real time access to the hardware and sync clock, the abstraction layer of wine won't allow that
[03:22] <dougbb> Xanthippus: ok, if you don't actually know why you might want to change that, I suggest that you don't do it
[03:22] <ikonia> ghostconn: that's why all daws do not allow / support being run in things like vm's
[03:22] <ikonia> Xanthippus: then you are making a mistake, and as dougbb says, why do you want this
[03:22] <ghostconn> ill figure it out anythings possible
[03:23] <Xanthippus> dougbb: I already did it once, but screwed up something else and now it won't work
[03:23] <ikonia> ghostconn: no, it's not
[03:23] <ikonia> ghostconn: there are limitations
[03:23] <Xanthippus> This isnt the first time ive done this
[03:23] <ikonia> ghostconn: daws are a great example because of how fussy they are with the real time clock
[03:24] <dougbb> Xanthippus: what you might find useful is to test out your configuration in a vm (like virtualbox) first, then transfer your working version to the live server
[03:24] <ikonia> I'm sorry, but if you can't copy a line correctly, there is no need to run it in a vm
[03:24] <ikonia> there is a need to correct attention to detail
[03:25] <ikonia> and the ability to debug a problem without formatting
[03:25] <sunshine123> Installed conky on ubuntu 12.10 gnome 3. Followed all instructions but when i start conky this is the output                    /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state: No such file or directory..what do I do?
[03:25] <sunshine123> Indeed there is no such file called BAT1
[03:25] <dougbb> otherwise, I'm going to stick with "If you don't know why you're changing it, don't change it." :)
[03:25] <ghostconn> i can change the rtl with flstudio also remap the bpm without effecting the track
[03:25] <ghostconn> ??
[03:25] <ikonia> ghostconn: no
[03:25] <sunshine123> so how do i prevent conky from going into an infinite loop looking for this file?
[03:25] <dougbb> ikonia: we all had to learn somewhere, and making mistakes is a great way to learn
[03:25] <ikonia> dougbb: I didn't say making a mistake was a problem
[03:25] <JPeterson> can i add sudo required programs to a list that auto runs them through sudo?
[03:25] <dougbb> and vms are a great way to minimize the impact of those mistakes
[03:26] <dougbb> ikonia: yeah, I saw what you said
[03:26] <ikonia> dougbb: if you can't copy and paste correctly, running a vm is out of scope
[03:26] <JPeterson> so i dont need to type the sudo prefix when not a su
[03:26] <ghostconn> yes you can?? on any basic piano rool you can remap the bpm and midi functions lol have you ever used this software
[03:26] <Xanthippus> I don't get it though, it worked beforehand
[03:26] <ikonia> ghostconn: it will fail as it still needs access to the clock to keep time internally
[03:26] <Xanthippus> Does there need to be a space between separate lines?
[03:26] <dougbb> ikonia: there is no need to be negative ... I'd rather focus on trying to help the person learn something
[03:27] <Xanthippus> Like, start at the end of a line, press enter twice, then paste it?
[03:27] <ikonia> dougbb: I'm not being negative, I'm being real, if you can't copy and paste a line, then running a vm is out of scope
[03:27] <Xanthippus> Or enter once?
[03:27] <ikonia> Xanthippus: genuine question, why are you trying to set shared memory ?
[03:27] <dougbb> Xanthippus: ... you're pushing me over into ikonia's camp :)
[03:27] <ghostconn> well what's your email because ill bet you 50$ that by the end of the week ill have a track made without you're help
[03:27] <ghostconn> lol
[03:27] <ekaj> $50
[03:28] <sunshine123> It still is looking for the missing variable and it has been running for over 10 minutes...:'(
[03:28] <Xanthippus> ikonia: Trying to do this: http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics
[03:28] <ikonia> Xanthippus: why ?
[03:28] <ikonia> Xanthippus: what do you hope to achieve setting shared memory ?
[03:29] <Xanthippus> Preventing attacks to httpd among ohers I guess
[03:29] <ikonia> Xanthippus: why will that prevent and attack ?
[03:30] <Xanthippus> Lmmex
[03:30] <Xanthippus> Lemme look for the articles
[03:30] <ikonia> Xanthippus: you're doing something just reading an article blind
[03:30] <ikonia> Xanthippus: just leave it alone unless you have a genuine reason to change it
[03:31] <ikonia> or you understand it enough to make a decision
[03:31] <Xanthippus> Oh it's in the guide itself
[03:31] <ikonia> yes but you don't know why you're doing it
[03:31] <ikonia> you're just typing things blindly because a guide tells you to
[03:31] <Xanthippus> :-/
[03:32] <Xanthippus> My main goal is to make my server secure, is that too much to ask?
[03:32] <ikonia> yes, if you are just typing things blind
[03:33] <dougbb> Xanthippus: the problem is that since you don't know the ramifications of what you're doing, you don't have a context for judging whether you are making it more secure, or less secure
[03:33] <dougbb> you should also look at the bit on one of the pages that you posted where it says that the Ubuntu security team disagrees with some of those recommendations
[03:34] <Xanthippus> Sounds like doing that makes it less secure then
[03:34] <kristoffer> what command to see my system info like rams and etc
[03:34] <kristoffer> ????
[03:34] <Xanthippus> (Shared memory)
[03:34] <dougbb> linux attracts people who like to fiddle with stuff (myself included). but knowing when to stop fiddling and let the system do its job is also an important skill if you want to get real work done
[03:34] <crimsonmane> kristoffer: "top"
[03:34] <ikonia> kristoffer: "free" as I told you earlier
[03:35] <Magiobiwan> kristoffer, there's also "free -m" to see Free RAM and Swap
[03:35] <Magiobiwan> In megabytes
[03:35] <Magiobiwan> There's "df -h"
[03:35] <Magiobiwan> TO see disk space
[03:36] <Xanthippus> Okay, so since secured memory sounds like a bad idea to you guys, what _can_ I do to make it more secure?
[03:36] <ikonia> Xanthippus: did you not listen to what's being said ?
[03:36] <nickymabolin> Hey guys. Does anyone know if the ubuntu devs are considering putting LUK in ubuntu by default? Or if they are at least making it an optional install?
[03:36] <furian> i have a second hard drive installed in my system /dev/sdb mounted as /media/storage, how would i make that rw for all users?
[03:36] <ikonia> Xanthippus: you have to understand/have experience
[03:36] <ikonia> Xanthippus: there is no "do this and it's secure"
[03:37] <Xanthippus> I know that's
[03:37] <escott> furian, what filesystem is it?
[03:37] <dougbb> Xanthippus: best way to increase security is to not run services you don't need .... other than that, it's experience, like ikonia said
[03:37] <furian> ext4
[03:37] <Xanthippus> I just want it to be secure from basic hacking techniques
[03:37] <ikonia> Xanthippus: you're not listening
[03:37] <furian> do you need to see the fstab line?
[03:37] <escott> furian, then you just chmod o+rw /media/storage
[03:37] <Xanthippus> Such as brute forcing passwords etch
[03:37] <Xanthippus> etc*
[03:37] <ikonia> Xanthippus: you're just reading things off the internet
[03:38] <escott> furian, that may not be desirable though as it allows user X to delete a folder created by user Y
[03:38] <Xanthippus> ikonia: Trying to get what "experience" I can
[03:38] <nickymabolin> Hey guys. Does anyone know if the ubuntu devs are considering putting LUK in ubuntu by default? Or if they are at least making it an optional install?
[03:38] <ikonia> Xanthippus: right, so there you go, try things, learn what's good/bad and why
[03:38] <furian> its for a general storage and backup drive, i am the only user
[03:38] <dougbb> Xanthippus: what passwords are you worried about people brute-forcing?
[03:38] <furian> escott, ^
[03:38] <Xanthippus> Mainly ssh
[03:38] <ikonia> Xanthippus: get hacked, learn how they got in, what the damage was
[03:38] <ikonia> Xanthippus: it's all just experience
[03:39] <nickymabolin> Xanthippus: make the passwords long (20 characters) and complicated (not just letter/number) and you will be fine from bruteforce
[03:39] <Xanthippus> There were a couple of attempts already isoniazid
[03:39] <escott> furian, in that case it might just be easier to chown it to yourself with chown username:username /media/storage
[03:39] <dougbb> Xanthippus: ok, the recommendation to only allow ssh authentication using ssh keys on one of those pages was a good one
[03:39] <ikonia> Xanthippus: how ?
[03:39] <chalcedony> my husband upgraded his ubuntu from 10.10 to 10.12, now his yahoo mail attachments that he sends me, won't open. is that Ubuntu or Firefox or what?
[03:39] <Xanthippus> nickymabolin: I was thinking RSA keys, which I did
[03:39] <ikonia> Xanthippus: what where these attemps (please don't say ssh brute force)
[03:39] <nickymabolin> Xanthippus: pm'd you
[03:39] <furian> thank you
[03:40] <furian> that did the trick
[03:40] <escott> chalcedony, won't open... meaning what? what kind of attachments?
[03:40] <Xanthippus> That was it, ikonia
[03:40] <ikonia> Xanthippus: come on.....
[03:40] <Xanthippus> Let me guess, I get kicked  -_-
[03:40] <dougbb> nickymabolin: you have to assume hackers have an infinite amount of time and resources, so thinking that anything is safe from brute force attack is a bad idea
[03:40] <ikonia> Xanthippus: everyone gets those
[03:40] <furian> xubuntu 12.1 is rather snappy on this old machine
[03:40] <ikonia> Xanthippus: they are just dumb bots cycling through known passwords/usernames
[03:40] <escott> dougbb, if you assume that there isn't any point in securing anything
[03:40] <ikonia> Xanthippus: think about it logcially - how can you defend against them
[03:41] <nickymabolin> dougbb: do the math though....it doesn't matter how much time they have because when you itnroduce enough variables it could accelerate the amount of time it would take for them to crack the pw to beyond the age of the universe
[03:41] <dougbb> escott: sure there is ... the goal is to make your system harder to crack than average, so that they spend time elsewhere :)
[03:42] <dougbb> nickymabolin: A) that thinking isn't accurate, for reasons outside the scope of this channel, and B) what if they get lucky?
[03:42] <escott> dougbb, which contradicts your assumption. if they have infinite resources they attack all computers at the same time
[03:42] <nickymabolin> dougbb: the point of security is not to make something absolutely unhackable. Everything is hackable on some level. The point of security is to make so many barriers that attempting to break past them is kinda pointless...like my password idea
[03:42] <dougbb> With something like ssh, requiring authentication using keys is the answer
[03:42] <Xanthippus> ikonia: RSA keys...
[03:42] <yokobr> hey guys, how do i know if my ati drivers are installed correctely?
[03:42] <nickymabolin> dougbb: How is that not accurate? IF they get lucky then you obviously didn't choose a good password
[03:42] <ikonia> Xanthippus: ok good, that's one idea
[03:43] <escott> yokobr, what is the output of "glxinfo | grep -i renderer"
[03:43] <dougbb> nickymabolin: but requiring ssh keys is better/safer than your password idea, and comes at no cost :)
[03:43] <nickymabolin> dougbb: I never said it wasnt better. I was just giving advice lol
[03:43] <nickymabolin> dougbb: I didn't know it was ssh
[03:43] <dougbb> escott: you can choose to go reductio ad absurdum if you want, that doesn't make my point any less valid
[03:44] <Xanthippus> ikonia: How bout fail2ban
[03:44] <yokobr> escott, X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[03:44] <ikonia> Xanthippus: another good idea,
[03:44] <escott> yokobr, then its not installed correctly
[03:44] <ikonia> Xanthippus: this is what I mean about looking at the problem, working out the risk and minimising it
[03:44] <ikonia> rather than just typing things blind
[03:44] <yokobr> how do i do that? i've followed the guide, installed fglrx
[03:45] <dougbb> nickymabolin: in any case, your advice about passwords is old thinking ... https://xkcd.com/936/
[03:45] <Xanthippus> Well I had fail2ban before, again, not the first time
[03:45] <ikonia> Xanthippus: got to be careful though as set it up wrong and it will open a bigger hole
[03:45] <nickymabolin> dougbb: oh shi-
[03:45] <ikonia> Xanthippus: so again, understand the problem, understand how to minimise it, then understand the implementation of the solution
[03:46] <Xanthippus> How so, ikonia
[03:46] <escott> dougbb, the style of the statement is in the style of the statements that are common in the cryptography community. but its a ridiculous thing to say in that community (assume the attacker can perform X flops, or that the attacker can factor primes in X time etc). you clearly mean it in some other sense... not sure what sense that is or what you want it to mean.
[03:46] <ikonia> Xanthippus: how so what ?
[03:46] <Xanthippus> I just setup a jail for ssh
[03:46] <Xanthippus> ikonia: How would it make a hole?
[03:46] <escott> yokobr, what guide did you follow?
[03:46] <ikonia> Xanthippus: think about it, if you are under attack, that's a lot of connections, if you set the retention policy wrong, it will make a list of rules that is longer than your machine can handle.,
[03:47] <ikonia> Xanthippus: it will dos your own service by making the firewall too big for your syste m
[03:47] <dougbb> nickymabolin: yeah ... there are some other, more scientific papers that discuss that theory, but I think the comic makes the point very effectively :)
[03:47] <ikonia> Xanthippus: or the load of adding/removing rules if you set it too short,
[03:47] <Xanthippus> And how to un-dos?
[03:47] <chalcedony> escott, we both have Yahoo mail, he mails the laptop (my account) in order to print from open office .doc(s), but my Yahoo mail can't open them, it just sits here trying and apparently times out, i don't know how to see an error in Yahoo mail.
[03:47] <nickymabolin> dougbb: indeed it does.
[03:47] <mengazo> Does a Linux equivalent of Adobe Lightroom exist, by any chance? I am seeking to migrate from the Windows platform and am looking for an application with similar functionality. Nothing like Photoshop/GIMP, an application focused on photo manipulation for photographers.
[03:47] <almoxarife> a linux testosterone fest?
[03:47] <ikonia> "un dos" come on
[03:47] <Xanthippus> Doesn't fail2ban ban IPs if they connect too much?
[03:47] <ikonia> Xanthippus: if you don't understnad what you're doing - you shouldn't be doing it
[03:47] <ikonia> Xanthippus: correct,
[03:48] <ikonia> Xanthippus: how does it ban them
[03:48] <yokobr> from ubuntu docs
[03:48] <Xanthippus> Adds them to a config file...?
[03:48] <yokobr> escott
[03:48] <ikonia> Xanthippus: no, it adds a firewall (iptables) rule
[03:48] <ikonia> Xanthippus: and where is that iptables rule kept ?
[03:48] <escott> chalcedony, so you click on the attachment in yahoo and say "download" and what happens
[03:49] <almoxarife> !iptables
[03:49] <dougbb> mengazo: not TMK, although I'd be interested if there were :)
[03:49] <escott> yokobr, can you actually send me the link of what you followed
[03:49] <Xanthippus> In /etc/iptables or where iptables config is kept...?
[03:49] <ikonia> Xanthippus: no, in ram
[03:49] <Xanthippus> :face palm:
[03:49] <ikonia> Xanthippus: the iptables rules are kept in ram
[03:49] <ikonia> Xanthippus: so think about it, if you don't have a regular flush pattern and you keep adding more rules
[03:49] <dougbb> mengazo: ristretto has some nice features, as well as geeqie, but nothing with the kind of features that lightroom does
[03:49] <designbybeck> I think I might be needing to replace my Dell Mini 10 Netbook soon. What might be a more powerful yet portable smaller laptop for the job to run Ubuntu on?
[03:50] <chalcedony> escott the twirly circle thing shows for a while and vanishes. the attachment doesn't open.
[03:50] <escott> !hcl | designbybeck
[03:50] <Xanthippus> designbybeck: I have ASUS Eee PC 1000HE, it's pretty good
[03:50] <ikonia> Xanthippus: 1.) the list will become big and eat your ram 2.) every packet that comes in needs to be checked against that massive list, making it eat resources c.) every packet needs to be checked, slowing down your interface d.) your firewall can crash blocking everything
[03:50] <escott> chalcedony, sounds like a problem with your browser/yahoo
[03:50] <ikonia> Xanthippus: see what I mean about not understanding can create a bigger hole ?
[03:51] <ikonia> that's just one easy example
[03:51] <mengazo> dougbb: Hmmm, perhaps I could virtualize Windows and use Lightroom, in the meantime. A lack of software support is one issue I have with Linux, unfortunately
[03:51] <designbybeck> Thank you Xanthippus, I wonder if my bro in law still has his i can steal away!
[03:51] <Xanthippus> lol
[03:51] <chalcedony> escott, i didn't change anything on my side.
[03:52] <escott> mengazo, people who like adobe are often unhappy with any alternatives that get suggested
[03:52] <chalcedony> escott, its something that happened with him changing ubuntu or new firefox
[03:52] <mengazo> escott: You honestly can't blame them lol
[03:53] <ikonia> Xanthippus: see the point I'm trying to hilight to you ?
[03:53] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Okay.
[03:53] <Hishamoto_Masuki> I'm gonna need me some help with my Android Tablet.
[03:53] <Hishamoto_Masuki> It's a Pandigital.
[03:53] <Hishamoto_Masuki> It only takes one finger on the touch screen at a time
[03:53] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Like when I try to play a game it won't let me press a and b at the same time
[03:53] <Xanthippus> ikonia: What's a more extreme example?
[03:53] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Help?
[03:53] <ikonia> Hishamoto_Masuki: how is this anything to do with ubuntu ?
[03:53] <upgrayeddd> hi, is there a way to copy a less buffer to system clipboard?
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> I just need help :/
[03:54] <Xanthippus> And can these flush patterns be scheduled?
[03:54] <ikonia> Xanthippus: there are many, but if you don't consider dos'ing yourself extreme....
[03:54] <upgrayeddd> less, as in the unix/gnu utility
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> ikonia: Would you know how?
[03:54] <ikonia> Hishamoto_Masuki: we only support ubuntu here, sorry
[03:54] <escott> mengazo, to some extent you can. they get used to doing it one particular way, and then throw a fit when a single tool works differently. sure you may be used to it and it may be efficient for you but why are you trying something different then?
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> mmk.
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Then I do need help with Ubunut
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> *Ubuntu
[03:54] <ikonia> Hishamoto_Masuki: in what way ?
[03:54] <upgrayeddd> or is there an easier way to copy a file's contents to the system clipboard?
[03:54] <escott> upgrayeddd, you can dump the buffer to a file
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> I'm upgrading to 12.04 as we speak
[03:54] <KvenMitebool> :)
[03:54] <upgrayeddd> escott: that's what I've done
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> From Xubuntu 10.04
[03:54] <escott> !info xclipboard | upgrayeddd
[03:54] <upgrayeddd> but I need to copy the file escott
[03:54] <upgrayeddd> escott: no X, on server
[03:54] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Is it going to switch operating systems? Will it delete my files?
[03:55] <ikonia> Hishamoto_Masuki: which files ?
[03:55] <Hishamoto_Masuki> My desktop files, my music, etc
[03:55] <escott> upgrayeddd, then what clipboard are you talking about?
[03:55] <ikonia> Hishamoto_Masuki: shouldn't do
[03:55] <Hishamoto_Masuki> I backed it up just in case, but will it?
[03:55] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Good.
[03:55] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Also
[03:55] <upgrayeddd> escott: system one on the server
[03:55] <blackshirt> hishamoto_masuki, what the problem was ?
[03:55] <escott> upgrayeddd, trick question then. there is no clipboard
[03:55] <Hishamoto_Masuki> I needed help with my Android Tablet :/
[03:55] <upgrayeddd> escott: for example, I have a shortcut of copying tmux buffer to clipboard from system on server
[03:55] <ikonia> Hishamoto_Masuki: I'll tell you one more time - we don't support that here
[03:56] <upgrayeddd> escott: there is...
[03:56] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Blackshirt asked me something, Ikonia
[03:56] <escott> upgrayeddd, tmux may have some kind of buffer but bash doesn't
[03:56] <Hishamoto_Masuki> I wasn't talking to anyone in particular, he asked what was my first problem
[03:56] <upgrayeddd> escott: I am using zsh, does this make a difference?
[03:56] <Hishamoto_Masuki> Except him
[03:56] <ikonia> ok
[03:56] <mengazo> escott: You do bring up a good point. In that particular case, I would have to assume that most wouldn't want to add in the extra time to adjust to a different application, when they already use another one that already works perfectly for them
[03:56] <escott> upgrayeddd, possibly
[03:57] <escott> chalcedony, not sure what to tell you, and we would need more details about exactly how your husband is attaching his files
[03:57] <chalcedony> escott, he clicks on attach in firefox
[03:57] <chalcedony> er Yahoo mail in fireofx
[03:57] <escott> mengazo, which is reasonable... but if thats ones feeling then why ask for an alternative...
[03:58] <mengazo> escott: My whole reason for even considering migrating to another computing platform solely has to do with my concerns over the future of the Windows platform and my dissatisfaction of Windows 8/RT
[03:58] <escott> chalcedony, firefox works. if there is a problem then its with yahoo. it could be yahoo interacting with his firefox or your browser... but its on the yahoo side
[03:58] <chalcedony> mengazo, you're wise
[03:58] <mengazo> escott: So I'm seeking alternatives, including Ubuntu
[03:59] <escott> chalcedony, you could look at the email source and see if the attachment body is missing. perhaps yahoo is failing to attach the file he uploads to the email so there is a reference to the attachment but no contents.
[03:59] <Xanthippus> ikonia: Just one more thing before I probably nuke myself with shared memory again: back to what you said, where would I get the experience you described?
[03:59] <ikonia> Xanthippus: time
[04:00] <ikonia> Xanthippus: research, time, experience
[04:00] <Xanthippus> Which I am currently trying to do
[04:00] <ikonia> Xanthippus: with respect you don't seem to be, you seem to be just typing things blind
[04:00] <Xanthippus> Research = http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics
[04:00] <Xanthippus> I didnt just do that one
[04:00] <Xanthippus> btw
[04:00] <escott> mengazo, if you want those particular programs the best thing you can do is write to adobe/macneil/maya whatever and say "i really want to switch platforms and ditch windows, and would like to buy your product on that platform"
[04:00] <ikonia> Xanthippus: no, that's typing that guide blind
[04:00] <ikonia> Xanthippus: just doing guides isn't research or experience
[04:00] <ikonia> typing blind is very bad
[04:01] <Xanthippus> :-/
[04:01] <Xanthippus> The guide isn't at least a good start?
[04:01] <ikonia> no
[04:01] <ikonia> as you are just typing things blind and possibly doing more damage than good
[04:01] <escott> chalcedony, the only other thing i can think of would be is if the files he creates with libreoffice are subtly different and cannot be opened by your version of word, but in that case the file would download first
[04:01] <Xanthippus> Okay, then point me to a "good start"
[04:02] <ikonia> Xanthippus: do what I told you
[04:02] <ikonia> and do it over a long time so you gain experience
[04:02] <Xanthippus> You said research, but I have no idea where I am supposed to start
[04:02] <dougbb> mengazo: in some cases the software you want will only be available on 1 platform, and in some cases  there are suitable alternatives in linux that just require a bit of re-learning
[04:03] <ikonia> Xanthippus: books, the web, university papers
[04:03] <escott> upgrayeddd, http://superuser.com/questions/421463/why-does-ctrl-v-notpaste-in-bash-linux-shell
[04:03] <dougbb> mengazo: if what you want though is good software + !windows, think seriously about a mac
[04:03] <Xanthippus> Okay then, thanks for the_real_crimper  advice
[04:03] <mengazo> dougbb: That's what I was thinking, as well, honestly. Sadly, I honestly feel as though Linux has a long way to go before it can enter the mainstream. Relying on a terminal to tweak any segment of a distro is simply inadequate for today's computing standards, in 2012
[04:03] <Xanthippus> The advice*
[04:04] <Xanthippus> iPad inserted name
[04:04] <Guest18221> oh so help me
[04:04] <escott> upgrayeddd, so getting back to your question. bash has "kill ring" but its not a clipboard in any meaningful sense. if you open vim and vim takes over the tty session. you probably can't paste from the bash kill ring
[04:04] <dougbb> mengazo: as a geek I tend to disagree with you on that, but I understand your perspective as it applys to a more general audience :)
[04:05] <Guest18221> and no I do not want to take a semester long class in xubuntu
[04:05] <Guest18221> linx unix etc.
[04:05] <dougbb> mengazo: but when it comes to debugging, or lesser-used features, even windows sometimes tells you to open up a terminal :)
[04:05] <perlhelp> I'm currently trying to get the script to work... It's supposed to extract the link to the mp3s on the page, but a pipe is breaking somewhere, and I'm not sure if my regex is correct... http://pastebin.com/TKgp9Gfq Any thoughts?
[04:05] <escott> upgrayeddd, i live in X so i've never tried this in an actual tty... but its not a built in feature
[04:05] <mengazo> dougbb: I'm certainly a geek myself, as well, but at times, you just want to keep life simple lol
[04:05] <Guest18221> I am told to make a command
[04:05] <Guest18221> in the command prompt
[04:06] <dougbb> mengazo: that's why I have switched to ubuntu :)
[04:06] <mengazo> Windows has a balance of that
[04:06] <Guest18221> on the dash shit how many steps do I need to know
[04:06] <escott> !language | Guest18221
[04:06] <ikonia> Guest18221: that language is unacceptable, please stop
[04:06] <Guest18221> and the xubuntu friendly thing to add a program is a joke
[04:06] <ikonia> Guest18221: what is your question
[04:06] <Guest18221> and I can't take the tutorial because flash won't load and
[04:07] <Guest18221> it wouldn't matter cause I can't turn on any sound.
[04:07] <ikonia> Guest18221: what is your question
[04:07] <mengazo> dougbb: Ubuntu has come a long way since I started using it in 2007, I'll certainly give it credit for that
[04:07] <TriiKs> Hello
[04:07] <perlhelp> Help with this? http://pastebin.com/TKgp9Gfq
[04:07] <perlhelp> Perhaps?
[04:08] <ikonia> perlhelp: try #bash
[04:08] <escott> perlhelp, is there  a question in any of this?
[04:08] <perlhelp> Just give me a moment...
[04:09] <mengazo> dougbb: It's just that when you've grown up using a certain platform, it's hard to jump ship. I have such an emotional attachment to Windows. That's why it's even been hard to even purchase tablets with Android or iOS. It's not the same
[04:09] <dougbb> mengazo: actually you reminded me of a question I have ... I recently switched to compiz under xubuntu, and on firefox my window decorations keep disappearing. Does anyone have a suggestion for that? The solutions I was able to find with searching were not effective.
[04:09] <ioexception> Guest18221: could it be that flash is not installed?
[04:09] <dougbb> mengazo: yes, but on the bright side, by learning new systems you improve your brain :)
[04:09] <escott> Guest18221, rather than list a bunch of complaints you might pick one thing you want to fix. do a little experimentation, and then come to us with a better defined question
[04:10] <Guest18221> thank you for being the self appointed "us"
[04:10] <mengazo> dougbb: If you're working in IT, that's always a plus!
[04:10] <upgrayeddd> escott: ok thanks, I just used sftp to move file over and view+copy/paste that way locally with X
[04:11] <ikonia> Guest18221: do you have a question about ubuntu, yes/no ?
[04:11] <Guest18221> I would like to install flash to begin with.
[04:11] <ikonia> !flash | Guest18221
[04:11] <yokobr> please, could someone help me installing ati drivers?
[04:12] <amayer> is this where i ask questions about the website? or is there another channel for that?
[04:12] <ikonia> amayer: about what website ?
[04:13] <amayer> ..the ubuntu website
[04:13] <Guest18221> yeah and I have both uninstalled and reinstalled flash and yet firefox continues to let me know that I need to install flash.
[04:13] <Jordan_U> yokobr: Before we can help we need you to answer the questions we ask. Could you please link to the exact guide you followed?
[04:13] <ikonia> amayer: you can try here, or you may get directred to #ubuntu-website
[04:13] <ikonia> Guest18221: how did you install it ?
[04:13] <TommehM> Google Chrome keeps killing itself when trying to play youtube in ubuntu 10.04
[04:13] <amayer> ikonia: thanks
[04:13] <Guest18221> I used the ubuntu software library.
[04:14] <er_prashant> Is anybody can help me with a problem of starting the instance on openstack??
[04:14] <er_prashant> Is anybody can help me with a problem of starting the instance on openstack??
[04:14] <er_prashant> Is anybody can help me with a problem of starting the instance on openstack??
[04:14] <FloodBot1> er_prashant: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:14] <yokobr> Jordan_U, sorry, this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[04:14] <ikonia> Guest18221: can you show me the name of the package you installed please.
[04:14] <ikonia> whois er_prashant
[04:14] <ioexception> :-)
[04:14] <er_prashant> Is anybody can help me with a problem of starting the instance on openstack??
[04:14] <er_prashant> hi ikonia
[04:14] <Guest18221> I am not sure how to show you the name other than flash.
[04:15] <ikonia> Guest18221: please do "dpkg -l | grep -i flash"
[04:15] <dougbb> mengazo: the other thing that using multiple platforms does for you is that it helps you see problems to be solved in a more general way, and helps you avoid thinking in terms of "how do I run _this_ program"
[04:15] <ikonia> Guest18221: show me the output in a pastebin please.
[04:15] <Guest18221> I am in the most currentxubuntu and whatever the flash that is show there.
[04:15] <ioexception> Guest18221: Get flash from adobe.com and follow instructions
[04:15] <dougbb> and for an IT person, it also helps promote your job security :)
[04:15] <Jordan_U> yokobr: Earlier you said that you "followed the guide, installed fglrx" but the guide you linked to is for the "Radeon" driver, not for fglrx.
[04:15] <Guest18221> I did try to get it from flash itself I chose deb
[04:16] <Guest18221> the aechive mge. downloads
[04:16] <perlhelp> The last perl regex match is failing in the following script, plus I'm not sure whether or not I'm going about it the write way. I'm trying to extract links from the pages and display them. http://pastebin.com/TKgp9Gfq
[04:16] <Guest18221> then I see a series of files.
[04:16] <ikonia> Guest18221: please do "dpkg -l | grep -i flash"
[04:16] <ikonia> Guest18221: show me the output in a pastebin please.
[04:16] <mengazo> dougbb: Amen to that. I couldn't agree more lol
[04:16] <er_prashant> Is anybody can help me with a problem of starting the instance on openstack??
[04:16] <yokobr> ah, sorry, i just picked the purple link from google.. well, i just done a sudo apt-get install fglrx, but it didn't worked.. so i tryed to install the binary driver from ati website
[04:17] <yokobr> Jordan_U cd /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/<IP_ADDRESS>/build; sh make.sh --nohints --uname_r=3.5.0-18-generic --norootcheck......(bad exit status: 1) [Error] Kernel Module : Failed to build fglrx-<IP_ADDRESS> with DKMS [Error] Kernel Module : Removing fglrx-<IP_ADDRESS> from DKMS
[04:17] <Guest18221> how do I do that line you showed me?
[04:17] <ikonia> Guest18221: open a termina, and type it
[04:17] <ikonia> Guest18221: then put the output into pastebin.ubuntu.com in a web browser
[04:17] <TommehM> Google Chrome keeps killing itself when trying to play youtube in ubuntu 10.04
[04:18] <Guest18221> how do I open a terminal
[04:18] <Jordan_U> er_prashant: Try explaining the actual problem you're having, with complete error messages if any. If you don't get any response here after a few minutes try #openstack.
[04:18] <mengazo> dougbb: Playing around with multiple platforms is beneficial in many ways. I simply see it as expanding technical knowledge and, as you've mentioned, securing your job position lol
[04:18] <ikonia> Guest18221: alt+f2 and type "terminal"
[04:18] <escott> ikonia, Guest18221 is running xubuntu. he needs to find it in the menu
[04:18] <escott> ikonia, right?
[04:18] <ikonia> escott: oh, xubuntu, sure
[04:19] <kristoffer> how can i majk my computer play a dubstep sound when my computer is turned on
[04:19] <Jordan_U> yokobr: What link did you get that from? Why aren't you using the "Additional Drivers" tool to install fglrx?
[04:20] <Jordan_U> kristoffer: At the login screen, or after login?
[04:20] <yokobr> Jordan_U, couldn't find it on xubuntu
[04:21] <kristoffer> Jordan_U no at startup when starting computer so it less boring
[04:21] <dougbb> yokobr: go to the software center and then search for/install jockey
[04:21] <escott> yokobr, are you running 12.10 or something older?
[04:21] <kristoffer> Jordan_U i want it to play eatch different song from my musics folders every time
[04:21] <dougbb> it will drag some kde stuff in though, FYI
[04:21] <er_prashant> I have installed openstack on Ubuntu 12.04 server. but when i try to launch a instance, it launches the instance with task as error and state as scheduled, any idea's anyone to resolve this??
[04:21] <Jordan_U> yokobr: If I remember correctly, it's in System>Administration. If I'm remembering that wrong you can always also run "jockey-gtk" from a terminal (*without* sudo).
[04:21] <yokobr> dougbb already done that, but it won't start or give any error
[04:21] <Guest18221> it looks like a straight line in that prompt and I can't find that on my keyboard
[04:21] <yokobr> escott, 12.10
[04:22] <escott> yokobr, jockey was removed in 12.10 its not part of software sources
[04:22] <escott> now
[04:22] <Jordan_U> !pm | er_prashant
[04:22] <ikonia> Guest18221: cut and paste it from this
[04:22] <ikonia> dpkg -l | grep -i flash
[04:22] <er_prashant> ok sorry Jordan
[04:22] <er_prashant> I have installed openstack on Ubuntu 12.04 server. but when i try to launch a instance, it launches the instance with task as error and state as scheduled
[04:22] <yokobr> escott, so how do i install it now?
[04:22] <er_prashant> so can anyone help please??
[04:22] <escott> yokobr, so start "software sources" and the last tab is "additional drivers"
[04:22] <ikonia> er_prashant: asking every 30 seconds won't help it just gets annoying
[04:22] <ikonia> er_prashant: leave it a while between asking
[04:22] <dougbb> yokobr: Jordan_U had a good point, you want jockey-gtk :)
[04:23] <escott> dougbb, jockey is not present in yokobr's release. it was removed in 12.10 and up
[04:23] <dougbb> escott: I have 12.10 :)
[04:23] <yokobr> dougbb, i don't have it, it's 12.10... and it's xubuntu, i can't find software sources too
[04:23] <dougbb> although it's not impossible that I added the repo that includes it to the stock install
[04:24] <escott> dougbb, but its not part of the standard install. i think you get it if you had it earlier, but they are moving away from it
[04:24] <TommehM> Google Chrome keeps killing itself when trying to play youtube in ubuntu 10.04
[04:24] <dougbb> escott: well this was a clean install
[04:24] <Tux_1> Has anyone here used e4defrag ?
[04:24] <Jordan_U> !anyone | Tux_1
[04:24] <yokobr> oh found it!
[04:24] <ioexception> TommehM: so maybe there's a Google Chrome bug?
[04:25] <Guest18221> how do i directly copy something from an xchat line?
[04:25] <ikonia> Guest18221: highlight it, got to "copy" from the edit menu
[04:25] <ioexception> time to unignore Guest18221 :-)
[04:25] <er_prashant> I have installed openstack on Ubuntu 12.04 server. but when i try to launch a instance, it launches the instance with task as error and state as scheduled
[04:25] <ikonia> Guest33953: then middle mouse button into the terminal
[04:25] <ikonia> ioexception: don't need a commentary of who you ignore/not
[04:26] <dougbb> er_prashant: chances are that no one here knows the answer
[04:26] <dougbb> try #openstack
[04:26] <escott> dougbb, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/i386/jockey-gtk
[04:26] <dougbb> escott: I already have it, but thanks :)
[04:26] <mengazo> dougbb: One other application that has prevented me from fully switching operating systems, as well: Foobar2000; only on Windows, sadly :/
[04:27] <TommehM> ioexception, Maybe.
[04:27] <mengazo> I've been waiting patiently for a Mac and Linux equivalent :(
[04:28] <Tux_1> ubottu: If e4defrag ;then ; how does it work for you ; fi
[04:28] <escott> dougbb, i'm saying look at that link. also run "dpkg -L jockey-gtk" you will see no binary in the output. there is no jockey-gtk for a 12.10 user to run
[04:28] <Jordan_U> Tux_1: e4defrag does exactly what it's supposed to.
[04:31] <dougbb> escott: got it :)
[04:32] <Tux_1> Jordan_U: Thanks for the reply, e4defrag did not destroy your data ?
[04:32] <escott> dougbb, canonical does a terrible job of announcing these kinds of changes... it kinda drives me crazy
[04:32] <amayer> when i go here: (i click the download link on the homepage and click "download 12.10 32 bit" on the download page)
[04:32] <amayer> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=32&release=latest
[04:32] <amayer> and click the link that says "Not now, take me to the download"
[04:33] <amayer> it points me here:
[04:33] <FloodBot1> amayer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:33] <amayer> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?distro=desktop&bits=32&release=lts
[04:33] <almoxarife> mengazo: foobar should run with wine, time to switch
[04:33] <Jordan_U> Tux_1: No. If it destroyed data it wouldn't have been released as part of e2fsprogs or shipped in Ubuntu.
[04:33] <ikonia> amayer: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[04:34] <mengazo> almoxarife: Buh bye, Windows
[04:34] <amayer> ikonia: i go there and click "downlod 12.10"
[04:34] <amayer> the link "not now, take me to download" leads me to a download page for 12.04
[04:35] <Tux_1> Jordan_U: Thanks, the only info I could find on  google said it was still beta
[04:35] <ikonia> amayer: it doesn't
[04:35] <home> I am not touching Ubuntu until they get their act together
[04:35] <home> right now the only sane choices are Xubuntu, and to an extent Kubuntu
[04:35] <amayer> when i click the link it asks me to save a file with 12.04 in the title
[04:35] <escott> !ot | home
[04:35] <Jordan_U> Tux_1: You're welcome.
[04:36] <amayer> ikonia: go to the link you gave me and try and download the 32 bit version.
[04:37] <amayer> the "not now take me to download" link points to the long term support version
[04:37] <ikonia> amayer: no it doesn't
[04:37] <amayer> dude i just did it.
[04:37] <ikonia> amayer: if you click "get 12.10" it will take you to 12.10, if you click "get 12.04 LTS" it will get 12.04
[04:37] <lunaphyte> amayer: what is your goal?
[04:38] <amayer> ...interesting. when i press ctrl+f5 now it points me to the latest downlod
[04:38] <ikonia> you clicked the wrong link
[04:39] <amayer> no i clicked the first orange button that said download 12.10
[04:39] <Jordan_U> amayer: There are many rotating mirrors, one mirror might have had an incorrect link.
[04:39] <amayer> sorry for the confusion, now my file is downloading correctly
[04:41] <amayer> can i ask general linux questions here? or is there a better channel for that?
[04:41] <escott> amayer, depends on the question itself
[04:42] <lunaphyte> amayer:  /join ##linux
[04:42] <amayer> 2 #'s?
[04:42] <dougbb> yes
[04:42] <dougbb> it's twice as good :)
[04:42] <amayer> escott: i have a question about setting up a mutil-boot linux/linux/linux system
[04:42] <amayer> ill check in ##linux
[04:43] <blackshirt> amayer : mutil-boot ? What is it?
[04:43] <blackshirt> wrong type ?
[04:43] <amayer> putting ubuntu, debian, and crunchbang on the same computer
[04:43] <escott> amayer, not enough to really nail things down. it depends on what bootloaders and what distros you want to have
[04:44] <escott> amayer, but if you question is "how do i boot fedora using the ubuntu bootloader" thats reasonable for both fedora and ubuntu channels
[04:46] <amayer> escott: right now i have ubuntu installed on my laptop. i have 3 other 10Gb partitions. the next distro i want to install is debian. im wondering if i should have made a /boot partition, or if i need 2 boot partitions? ive never done a multi-boot system before
[04:46] <escott> amayer, if you have an EFI system then each of those can put their own version of grub-efi in the efi partition and you can just select from the menu. otherwise you have to pick one to be the primary grub and then the issue is how to get the boot parameters from distro X into the config managed by distro Y
[04:47] <amayer> is efi a file system? is this like a /boot partition?
[04:47] <blackshirt> ada beberapa type
[04:48] <escott> amayer, how old is the laptop and who manufactured it?
[04:48] <amayer> escott: is a compaq and its like 2 years old
[04:48] <escott> amayer, then its not EFI (almost certainly)
[04:49] <amayer> soo... how do i go about setting up mutli-boot(linux only, no windows) i googled it and only found windows and linux dual boot senarios
[04:49] <escott> amayer, when you install debian make sure debian does not install its bootloader to /dev/sda. you might be able to install the debian bootloader to /dev/sda# where # is the debian partition number (ie to the PBR instead of the MBR) this is less stable but grub should be able to chainload grub
[04:51] <amayer> so i want to make a seperate partition and make all of my distros install their boot loaders to that partition?
[04:51] <escott> amayer, so where things get confusing on the multi-boot linux is that debian is configured to manage its own bootloader. so when debian gets a new kernel it updates /boot/grub/grub.cfg in debian's /boot, but the real /boot is the /boot for ubuntu because the grub on the mbr looks at ubuntu's grub.
[04:51] <escott> amayer, now os-prober is smart enough to see the other kernels and os'es and will generate entries for them... but won't be auto-updated by debians getting a new kernel
[04:52] <amayer> escott: so i want to make 1 /boot partition and make all distros use the same partiton?
[04:52] <escott> amayer, and those entries may not have all the entries one would like them to have (ie you make a modification to the boot options in debian... not sure how/if those get over to ubuntus /boot)
[04:52] <escott> amayer, you definitely don't want that... because then each distro stomps on each others grub.cfg
[04:53] <escott> amayer, the ideal thing would be a single /boot... with multiple grub.cfg (ie a grub.fedora.cfg and a grub.debian.cfg) that grub puts together to make the real configuration... but i dont think grub has any ability to do that
[04:53] <amayer> escott: i guess what i dont understand is grub. how do i get grub to let me pick which system im going to boot at start up?
[04:54] <escott> i dont actually know what the best way to deal with the issues are... im just trying to make you aware of them
[04:55] <escott> amayer, as it stands you will have the option to boot debian/crunchbang. just install debian. don't let it install a bootloader. boot ubuntu, rerun "update-grub" and os-prober will automatically pick up on the existence of the other linux distros
[04:56] <dougbb> amayer: that's grub's job, it gives you a menu of things to boot, prior to any OS starting up
[04:56] <escott> you will see an option for the other distros when you boot.... it just may not always be in sync (ie debian gets a new kernel) with the other system until you run update-grub
[04:57] <amayer> so if ubuntu is the first operating system i installed. i should install the other operating systems. then boot to ubuntu and run update-grub and the next time i boot it will ask me which of the 3 distros i want to boot
[04:57] <amayer> ?
[04:57] <dougbb> yes
[04:57] <escott> amayer, yes.
[04:57] <dougbb> and try escott's suggestion of installing the other distros without grub, if they give you that option
[04:58] <escott> amayer, but if the other linux distros install their version of grub to the mbr... then its their responsibility to see ubuntu
[04:58] <escott> amayer, and you may have to do something in them to make them see ubuntu
[04:58] <escott> only one OS can control the boot (with mbr, efi is different but you almost certainly dont have that)
[04:59] <escott> amayer, best thing to do would be to install your os last
[04:59] <dougbb> amayer: install ubuntu last
[04:59] <escott> you might also want to consider kvm if you just want to play around with other linux distros
[04:59] <dougbb> and let _it_ install grub
[05:00] <escott> that ^^^ is assuming you want ubuntu to be the primary (default) linux you will be using
[05:00] <dougbb> or, if you already have ubuntu installed, you may have to follow the "zomg, how do I fix grub?" instructions :)
[05:00] <dougbb> escott: right
[05:00] <dougbb> but ubuntu's grub seems to suck the least
[05:01] <amayer> i do want ubuntu to be the default. but i need debian and i want a 3rd system to test other linux distros
[05:01] <Magiobiwan> o.O
[05:02] <escott> amayer, depending on what you mean by "test" and how powerful this laptop is, virtualization might be easier for you
[05:03] <Magiobiwan> amayer, if your laptop
[05:03] <Magiobiwan> Has Intel VT-x
[05:03] <blackshirt> amayer, i think you better stick with some virtualization solutions ...virtualbox was great one and available on reposutory
[05:03] <bitpimp> I installed openjdk on ubuntu and now need jps... any suggestions?
[05:04] <bitpimp> would like to avoid installing sunjdk just for jps
[05:04] <Magiobiwan> Or AMD Virtualization sipport
[05:04] <Magiobiwan> You might want to enable it in BIOS and just Virtualize some OSes
[05:04] <OerHeks> !java
[05:04] <amayer> the laptop only has 1.5Gb ram and is an AMD 32 bit processor idk if it will run vitual too well
[05:04] <mah454> I Compiled new kernel and switch to this , but consoles [tty1-6] (Ctrl+Alt+F[123456]) not work !
[05:04] <mah454> How can find problem and fix it ?
[05:05] <mah454> compile new kernel (3.6.4)
[05:05] <escott> mah454, (a) why are you compiling your own kernel (b) its probably a modesetting issue
[05:06] <amayer> well its late here. i will try the stuff you guys sugessted and come back if i have an epic fail. thanks
[05:07] <mah454> escott: what mode ?
[05:07] <escott> !nomodeset | mah454
[05:08] <escott> mah454, do you have nvidia graphics?
[05:08] <mah454> escott: yes
[05:09] <mah454> escott: i must rebuild nvidia module ?
[05:09] <escott> mah454, yes you must
[05:10] <mah454> I will come back ...
[05:17] <asoltys_> hi i'm getting this error whenever i try to apt-get install or upgrade: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend upstart-job for hostname, probably a dependency cycle.
[05:18] <asoltys_> i seem to be missing xinetd
[05:19] <escott> asoltys_, missing xinetd? why do you want xinetd?
[05:21] <asoltys_> i was getting errors that mentioned it, after running apt-get install -f for example
[05:21] <escott> asoltys_, perhaps some package pulled it in
[05:22] <asoltys_> any ideas about the upstart-job message? google isn't being very helpful..
[05:24] <escott> !info hostname
[05:24] <escott> asoltys_, i think what is happening is that it is trying to install hostname. hostname installs an upstart-job as part of pre-depend
[05:24] <escott> that is failing in some way
[05:25] <asoltys_> apt-get purge fails with messages about xinetd as well
[05:25] <dougbb> try removing xinetd?
[05:25] <escott> asoltys_, well you certainly should not purge a required package. thats a bad idea
[05:26] <dfgas-cr48> where do i find the xorg config file?         12.04
[05:27] <Guest8798> hmm, ubuntu 11.10 is overheating my laptop like crazy
[05:28] <asoltys_> http://paste.debian.net/208227/
[05:28] <escott> !info powertop | Guest8798 might help some
[05:28] <escott> dfgas-cr48, doesn't exist unless you use nvidia
[05:28] <dfgas-cr48> yah, i use nvidia
[05:29] <escott> dfgas-cr48, then its /etc/X11/Xorg.conf IIRC
[05:29] <dfgas-cr48> not there :(
[05:29] <oupateddie> I have an external HDD coupled via USB port. The systems does not seem to see the HDD. Well this is sporadic, sometiems it sees sometimes not. Any ideas?
[05:29] <escott> dfgas-cr48, use nvidia means nvidia+proprietary drivers
[05:29] <dfgas-cr48> maybe this is why i have video tearing
[05:29] <dfgas-cr48> hmmmm
[05:29] <escott> oupateddie, plug in the USB and look at dmesg | tail -n 20
[05:29] <oupateddie> stand by
[05:29] <dfgas-cr48> i will have to change windows managers then, right now its just booting to xbmc
[05:31] <almoxarife> dfgas-cr48: locate a file with this much of the file name in it 'xorg.conf' , use the 'locate' command, tell me what you find
[05:31] <oupateddie> escott - device descriptor read/64, error -71 is displayed on the first line followed by
[05:32] <oupateddie> new full speed USB device number 12 using uhci_hcd
[05:32] <escott> oupateddie, can you paste the whole thing to paste.ubuntu.com
[05:32] <Guest8798> hmm, what do i do with powertop to find out power usage?
[05:32] <oupateddie> stand by
[05:32] <escott> oupateddie, ideally run "dmesg | tail -n ##" and keep increasing ## until there is a gap in the numbers on the left
[05:33] <Jordan_U> Guest8798: There isn't enough information available to the OS to actually determine the exact power usage of your computer.
[05:34] <oupateddie> escott -  have pasted
[05:34] <Jordan_U> Guest8798: Hopefully one day we'll have smart power supplies or similar in most computers, but that isn't the case today.
[05:35] <escott> oupateddie, i need the link :)
[05:36] <oupateddie> sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349812/
[05:36] <escott> Guest8798, you can run powertop, it will show what processes are keeping the CPU busy,  there are a few tunables, but the bulk of the energy usage is probably coming from your graphics card
[05:37] <Guest8798> graphics card?
[05:37] <asoltys_> escott: i pasted my xinetd issue too, any suggestions?
[05:37] <dougbb> Guest8798: what kind of graphics do you have?
[05:37] <dougbb> asoltys_: what about removing xinetd?
[05:38] <asoltys_> dougbb: i tried, see http://paste.debian.net/208227/
[05:38] <Guest8798> ati hd4570
[05:38] <asoltys_> seems like a bit of a catch-22 situation :)
[05:39] <escott> asoltys_, the way i would deal with that issue is to go into /var/lib/dpkg/info/xinetd.prerm and comment out the "set -e" on the second line
[05:39] <dougbb> isn't there a force option for apt-get?
[05:39] <escott> oupateddie, you have to paste to us the link generated when you submit to paste.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <oupateddie> escott I have here it is again  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349812/
[05:40] <asoltys_> escott: i don't see a set -e anywhere in that file: http://paste.debian.net/208229/
[05:40] <escott> oupateddie, the device is bad... can't say much more about it than that
[05:41] <escott> asoltys_, remove the "-e" after the shebang (#!/bin/sh
[05:41] <oupateddie> ok, it is sporadic sometimes it works and then sometimes not, could it be the physical usb plug?
[05:42] <escott> oupateddie, maybe
[05:43] <escott> oupateddie, if its wobbling around and not making a solid electrical contact maybe
[05:43] <oupateddie> thanks
[05:43] <escott> oupateddie, could also be that the chip on the disk is overheating and bonking out
[05:43] <escott> oupateddie, put it in the freezer for a few minutes...
[05:43] <oupateddie> will tryn that but it is still cool here, it is early morning here in Africa\
[05:44] <almoxarife> cool in africa :)
[05:44] <Dudeet> Anybody familiar with psybnc in here?
[05:44] <oupateddie> well 20C is still cool
[05:44] <Guest8798> not cool with core temps at 96C here :(
[05:45] <Guest8798> its so hot its heating up the room :E
[05:45] <almoxarife> 20c?
[05:45]  * almoxarife does not know 'c'
[05:45] <oupateddie> 20 degrees Celsuis
[05:45] <asoltys_> escott: ok, done.  and was able to remove xinetd now.  still can't install packages though: http://paste.debian.net/208231/
[05:46] <escott> asoltys_, no wonder you got problems: "The following packages will be REMOVED: sysvinit"
[05:47] <escott> asoltys_, maybe try to install upstart... i dunno. sysvinit... perhaps have an exorcism... or just burn it
[05:48] <asoltys_> yeah, i got problems. this was a new vps that supposedly had 12.04 but the apt sources were for hardy and lsb_release reported it as being hardy.  i replaced the apt sources with 12.04 ones and think i ran dist-upgrade or something and now it's FUBAR'd.  i'll ask them to burn it
[05:49] <escott> asoltys_, yeah you did that wrong. proper command is do-release-upgrade... you cant just swap out sources.list
[05:49] <escott> asoltys_, nuke it and try again
[05:49] <asoltys_> okey doke, thanks for your time!
[05:50] <escott> !eol | asoltys_ if they give you hardy again
[05:52] <asoltys_> cool, thanks
[05:59] <escott> !nickspam | ControllerSYR
[06:06] <pika> hello i have removed pulseaudio i would like to know how to reinstall it
[06:07] <escott> pika, apt-get install pulseaudio
[06:08] <blackshirt> pika, aptitude reinstall blablabla
[06:08] <escott> thats not going to get everything back for you though. you might check your dpkg logs
[06:08] <pika> escott : i did this bu the icon is still not showing
[06:09] <blackshirt> mahesa ?
[06:10] <pika> escott: when i type "pulseaudio" in terminal its tells me the deamon is already running
[06:10] <escott> thats not going to get everything back for you though. you might check your dpkg logs
[06:10] <pika> escott: how ?
[06:11] <escott> pika, you removed a core system functionality... doing so triggered the removal of lots of other stuff... you have to go put all that back too. /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:12] <pika> escott oh i see
[06:14] <escott> pika, you could try and shortcut the process by reinstalling ubuntu-desktop with a fix-dependencies option... not sure exactly what that would be
[06:15] <dougbb> Is there a clever way to stop the proliferation of ~/.goutputstream files?
[06:17] <tdignan> hey, every so often I completely lose a window in unity and can't find it with super+w, alt tab, or even switching workspaces, or double clicking the launcher icon
[06:17] <tdignan> are there any other ways to find windows that have been misplaced and move them?
[06:18] <gutzmek> evening all
[06:18] <OerHeks> tdignan, press winkey + s
[06:18] <tdignan> winkey is super
[06:18] <tdignan> i covered that
[06:18] <tdignan> although thanks for caring
[06:19] <Heisenberg> hi
[06:19] <tdignan> oh wait, +s?
[06:19] <gutzmek> im thinkin bout switchin distros
[06:19] <dougbb> xubuntu is nice :)
[06:19] <tdignan> cool keybinding but that doesn't find them either
[06:19] <Heisenberg> how to change resolution of console, tty1, tty2
[06:19] <gutzmek> im getting that
[06:19] <tdignan> it's the workspace switcher
[06:20] <escott> Heisenberg, there are kernel framebuffer resolution parameters
[06:21] <escott> Heisenberg, http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt
[06:22] <Heisenberg> escott: thanks =D
[06:24] <mah454> I need command for find current screen resolution .
[06:25] <tdignan> xrandr
[06:26] <aaas> so im trying to compile something ('make release') from source and it says 'sound/core.h: no such file or directory'  if I do a apt-file I see that linux-headers have this file, however these are already installed.. the file that references this has the line #include <sound/core.h>... any ideas?
[06:26] <gutzmek> happy birthday to me :)
[06:26] <shuhaib> hi everybody
[06:26] <shuhaib> hello..It was verry ver sad morning today..accidently deleted all my phone contact  today..please advice me to recover my contcat using any sotware
[06:27] <aaas> shuhaib what type of phone?
[06:27] <escott> aaas, did the ./configure step not catch the path to the kernel?
[06:27] <shuhaib> Nokia
[06:27] <escott> aaas, perhaps make sure that kernel-headers are installed for what is coming out of uname
[06:28] <aaas> escott there is no configure with this particuar source (musescore)
[06:28] <aaas> escott yes tried that
[06:28] <shuhaib> aaas ->it nokia phone
[06:28] <escott> aaas, modify the makefile to include the search path/linker path
[06:28] <escott> aaas, -l and -L
[06:28] <shuhaib> Noika n86
[06:29] <aaas> shuhaib sorry i dont know if it's a feature phone... you might be sol..maybe there's another channel not really an #ubuntu question
[06:29] <shuhaib> okey
[06:30] <shuhaib> can we sugget any recovery software for ubuntu
[06:30] <shuhaib> let me try on that
[06:30] <aaas> shuhaib unless you ever synced to outlook, facebook, etc... did you sync to ubuntu at some point? was it on a program or on the phone
[06:30] <shuhaib> any how its stores as csv file
[06:31] <crimsonmane> maybe just go through your previous phone bill?
[06:31] <shuhaib> its in phone memory card
[06:32] <crimsonmane> who is your service provider, shuhaib ?
[06:32] <aaas> shuhaib ah and you want to try and run data recovery software on the memory card?
[06:32] <shuhaib> Vodafone
[06:33] <crimsonmane> you're S.O.L
[06:33] <shuhaib> yep..I want try to recver my data on memory
[06:33] <crimsonmane> you can't
[06:33] <crimsonmane> because the data was never destroyed
[06:33] <talpur_> hi
[06:34] <aaas> shuhaib sorry I'm not familar, it depends on the filesystem type, but you would probably be better off just calling people
[06:34] <aaas> shuhaib just get on facebook or email and just send a mass email or something
[06:34] <crimsonmane> what he lost was a very special Party Line number ... it wasn't a good friend, otherwise he'd just meet up with that person and get the number
[06:35] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: First, don't get your hopes up because you probably won't be able to recover anything. That said, does the phone support a USB Mass Storage device mode, or can you read the memory card from a card reader (connected to a computer)?
[06:35] <shuhaib> In Tired couple of software available in windows asking but asking key
[06:36] <talpur_> hi members need help. I want to remove directry using command ...rm -r /usr/lib/jvm    message comes dirctory is write protected and this directory consists many other directories...But I want to forecly remove it..So whic command should I use
[06:36] <crimsonmane> yeah you kinda have to pay for stuff sometimes, shuhaib
[06:36] <shuhaib> There I could see my csv file.But I coudn't save my file as its trail version
[06:36] <crimsonmane> talpur_: rm -f
[06:36] <crimsonmane> shuhaib: your csv file is empty anyway
[06:37] <shuhaib> is there any software availabe in ubuntu to recover my file as free
[06:37] <Jordan_U> talpur_: Why do you want to remove this directory?
[06:37] <crimsonmane> nope
[06:37] <shuhaib> no it has file
[06:37] <crimsonmane> shuhaib: the file exists. yeah. but it's empty.
[06:38] <shuhaib> it shows the file size as well
[06:38] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: Presumably "4K"?
[06:38] <shuhaib> 886 kb some thin it was showing
[06:38] <crimsonmane> yes the file has reserved space
[06:39] <talpur_> Jorden_U: from two days I want to install jre for eclipse , so for that I install differnt packages but could get the Purpose now I find the sloution so I want to remove it again make fresh installation for that
[06:39] <crimsonmane> i'm telling you when you deleted your contacts, that file became empty. that is how it works
[06:39] <aaas> shuhaib http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1910791
[06:39] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: First, don't get your hopes up because you probably won't be able to recover anything. That said, does the phone support a USB Mass Storage device mode, or can you read the memory card from a card reader (connected to a computer)?
[06:39] <aaas> shuhaib but it will almost certainly be easier emailing people
[06:39] <talpur_> Jordan_U: from two days I want to install jre for eclipse , so for that I install differnt packages but could get the Purpose now I find the sloution so I want to remove it again make fresh installation for that
[06:40] <crimsonmane> shuhaib: the link provided by aaas will not help you. in their issue they want to recover deleted files. but in your issue the file is not deleted.
[06:40] <Jordan_U> talpur_: The proper way to do that would be by removing the packages with apt-get, not by removing the files that the packages installed.
[06:40] <shuhaib> My phone connected using USB
[06:41] <talpur_> Jardan_U: I don't remeber how many packages I have installed theer in two days
[06:41] <shuhaib> But I don't have all people email..But I can do that in another way as well
[06:41] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: You haven't answered my question. Is that because you didn't understand it or because you didn't see it?
[06:42] <shuhaib> No i answered
[06:42] <talpur_> Jordan_U: I don't remeber how many packages I have installed theer in two days
[06:42] <shuhaib> Jordan_U
[06:42] <shuhaib> it does the phone support a USB Mass Storage device mode ..
[06:42] <Jordan_U> talpur_: "dpkg -S /usr/lib/jvm/" will list all installed packages with files in /usr/lib/jvm/.
[06:43] <shuhaib> Jordan_U   it does the phone support a USB Mass Storage device mode ..
[06:43] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: Please connect the phone in USBMS mode and pastebin the output of "sudo blkid".
[06:44] <talpur_> Jordan_U: list comes..now what command should I use to remove those packages..like one package is ..openjdk-6-jre
[06:45] <shuhaib> I connected my phone using usb
[06:45] <shuhaib> and it shows the mass stoarage
[06:45] <shuhaib> pastebin the output of "sudo blkid". what does it mean  Jordan_U?
[06:46] <Jordan_U> talpur_: sudo apt-get remove openjdk-6-jre
[06:46] <BluesKaj> !blkid
[06:47] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: Are you booted into Ubuntu currently?
[06:47] <shuhaib> Jordan_U next step please
[06:47] <shuhaib> yep
[06:47] <crimsonmane> talpur_: actually you should do "sudo apt-get purge <packagename>"
[06:48] <shuhaib> I am working ubuntu right now
[06:48] <talpur_> ordan_U: I find the command from your previous Answer remove package....thats a lot for your kind help
[06:48] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: Do you know how to run commands in the terminal?
[06:48] <Jordan_U> talpur_: You're welcome.
[06:48] <talpur_> crimsonmane: thanks a lot
[06:48] <shuhaib> yep
[06:48] <shuhaib> Sure
[06:49] <shuhaib> I know how to run
[06:49] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: Run "sudo blkid", then copy and paste the output to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us a link to the pastebin that creates.
[06:54] <Jordan_U> shuhaib: Did you understand my last comment?
[06:55] <crimsonmane> finally
[06:56] <phunyguy_x1_> hey folks, I am trying out banshee for my media player, and I can't get it to stay running long enough to listen to an entire song.  It crashes after a couple minutes (freezes and window goes dim).  I can't get the banshee process to kill.    How do I get this process killed short of logging out/rebooting?
[06:57] <TomFlint> Hello
[06:59] <crimsonmane> phunyguy_x1_: killall -9
[06:59] <phunyguy_x1_> crimsonmane, I did that.
[07:00] <crimsonmane> phunyguy_x1_: pkill -9
[07:00] <crimsonmane> killall uses "process name" not number, i think
[07:00] <phunyguy_x1_> nope.
[07:00] <phunyguy_x1_> i understand the kill commands.  THey just wont kill it
[07:00] <crimsonmane> phunyguy_x1_: ps -e | grep bansh
[07:00] <phunyguy_x1_> it laughs in the face of killall
[07:00] <phunyguy_x1_> there are two labeled as [defunct]
[07:00] <tozen> hi people does anybody knows to how can I change the size of mplayers window by the hotkeys? thx
[07:01] <phunyguy_x1_> tozen, someone here may know, but #mplayer has some good folks in it
[07:01] <crimsonmane> kill -9 <banshee process id>
[07:02] <tozen> phunyguy_x1_, 4example?
[07:02] <crimsonmane> tozen: alt+space
[07:02] <phunyguy_x1_> crimsonmane, for the third time, I have done that
[07:02] <Jordan_U> shuhaib_: Run "sudo blkid", then copy and paste the output to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us a link to the pastebin that creates.
[07:03] <Jordan_U> shuhaib_: Or, if you're not *very* motivated to get these contacts back, give up now.
[07:03] <tozen> crimsonmene, not this I mean x2, x4 smth like that
[07:04] <crimsonmane> tozen: google "mplayer hotkeys"
[07:04] <phunyguy_x1_> I have never seen kill -9 not kill a process
[07:04] <phunyguy_x1_> especially as sudo
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> i got a purple screen freezing at boot, need reboot to login screen, how can i solve?
[07:05] <tdignan> a process can be defunct, but at that point it isn't running. just impossible to remove from the process table.
[07:05] <node1> hi all
[07:05] <tdignan> processes can't ignore sigkill
[07:05] <phunyguy_x1_> tdignan, it is definitely ignoring it
[07:06] <crimsonmane> is banshee still open?
[07:06] <tozen> crimsonmane, it's so easy to say... don't you think I've already tried?
[07:06] <node1> have you ever tried ubuntu 12.10?
[07:06] <crimsonmane> tozen: you'd be surprised
[07:07] <tozen> crimsonmane: ok, I'll try again lol
[07:07] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: from man signal(7):   The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught, blocked, or ignored.
[07:07] <crimsonmane> tozen: what i meant was, some people dont try first
[07:07] <tdignan> i'm going to side with the man page.
[07:07] <phunyguy_x1_> tdignan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349907/
[07:07] <node1> go ahead
[07:07] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: defunct is different, it's not running. the process is dead and gone
[07:08] <tozen> crimsonmane: I'm habit to use an search machine first, pal
[07:08] <tdignan> it's just that you can't remove the entry from the process table
[07:08] <tdignan> it's fine. just leave it
[07:08] <crimsonmane> phunyguy_x1_: now try "ps -e | grep bansh
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> what could cause a purple screen at boot to freeze? need hard shutdown to solve proper boot
[07:08] <phunyguy_x1_> crimsonmane, it is listed under ps -e
[07:09] <crimsonmane> ok was just curious
[07:09] <tdignan> the only way you're getting rid of a 'defunct' process is by rebooting.
[07:09] <OerHeks> tozen, hold winkey, there is a shortkey to resize any windows > alt middle mouse drag
[07:09] <phunyguy_x1_> tdignan, I cant get banshee to relaunch
[07:09] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: i don't think it's related to the process table. can you pastebin the output of "strace banshee 2>log.txt"
[07:09] <tdignan> actually "strace banshee &>log.txt" is best
[07:09] <tdignan> there might be a pid file or something left behind that just needs to be rm'd
[07:10] <phunyguy_x1_> the strace may not show anything
[07:10] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: Please pastebin the output of "pstree -p".
[07:10] <tdignan> try it and see
[07:10] <phunyguy_x1_> if I run the banshee command by itself I just get a blinking cursor and no output
[07:10] <tdignan> do the strace please.
[07:10] <crimsonmane> gksudo banshee
[07:10] <tdignan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process <-- read more here.
[07:10] <tozen> OerHeks: dgag
[07:11] <phunyguy_x1_> wow it got full quick
[07:11] <phunyguy_x1_> I ctrl-c'd it
[07:11] <phunyguy_x1_> lots of lines
[07:11] <tozen> OerHeks: dragging isnota solution
[07:11] <tdignan> did you not do the redirect!
[07:11] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: &>log.txt <------ was an important part
[07:11] <phunyguy_x1_> nope ran it before you corrected
[07:11] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: crimsonmane: Do *not* run banshee as root, that is a silly and possibly dangerous thing to do.
[07:11] <tdignan> eh 2> shoulda done it as well
[07:12] <tdignan> just 2> would allow banshee to output any of its own stdout
[07:12] <OerHeks> tozen then F11 full screen is your only option.
[07:12] <tdignan> and redirect only the stderr (strace output in our case)
[07:12] <tozen> ok, thx
[07:12] <phunyguy_x1_> tdignan nothing changed, still lots of output that is cryptic.
[07:12] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: you are supposed to pastebin that output and allow me to read it
[07:12] <tdignan> because I understand it, it is not cryptic to me
[07:13] <tdignan> man, this is like taking a horse to the stream and then forcing it to drink.
[07:13] <phunyguy_x1_> lol, ok... hang tight
[07:13] <crimsonmane> it's interesting learning
[07:13] <Jordan_U> crimsonmane: Recommending running commands as root, when they were clearly not designed to be, is irresponsible. Please be more careful in the future and only recommend running commands as root when you *know* that the command is designed to be run as root.
[07:13] <tozen> OerHeks: so here is no any options to get it double sized or triple for example?
[07:14] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: apt-get install pastebinit if you want to be able to easily pastebin stuff from the command line
[07:14] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: Please pastebin the output of "pstree -p".
[07:14] <tdignan> pstree -p |pastebinit :P
[07:14] <talpur_> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1349912/  plz see the link I have problem to remove the packages
[07:14] <crimsonmane> Jordan_U: the objective was to run the program using default profile settings, ergo gksudo was in good recommendation
[07:14] <phunyguy_x1_> tdignan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349913/
[07:14] <Jordan_U> crimsonmane: No, it was not. Not even close.
[07:15] <crimsonmane> for diagnostics, it most certainly was
[07:15] <crimsonmane> playing music while it's in gksudo perhaps would not be
[07:15] <talpur_> crimsonmane: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1349912/          see plz link purge not working to remove
[07:15] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349916/
[07:15] <crimsonmane> but opening a program in that fashion is useful diagnostics
[07:16] <Jordan_U> crimsonmane: If you had recommended "gksudo -u some_other_unpriveleged_user" that would have been reasonable. Suggesting running an application like banshee as root was irresponsible, there is absolutely no question about it.
[07:16] <crimsonmane> talpur_: the difference between purge and remove is purge will delete saved settings. you can also add the -f flag to --force the removal
[07:16] <dougbb> crimsonmane: you're welcome to do whatever you want on your own box, but as a general recommendation in an open channel, it's a very bad idea
[07:17] <crimsonmane> perhaps you both could spend some time reading the gksudo information. in a diagnostics approach my suggestion was fine.
[07:17] <phunyguy_x1_> whoa whoa whoa whoa
[07:17] <phunyguy_x1_> crimsonmane, even I know better
[07:17] <phunyguy_x1_> tisk tisk
[07:17] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: have you tried killall -9 banshee
[07:18] <tdignan> maybe there are some other processes you missed
[07:18] <phunyguy_x1_> yup, no go
[07:18] <phunyguy_x1_> maybe I should just reboot
[07:18] <talpur_> crimsonmane: Yes I use that but the error is it couldn't locate the package and I am seeing it from ls that it is exited
[07:18] <phunyguy_x1_> but I am afraid it will keep happening
[07:19] <dougbb> phunyguy_x1_: probably want to consider a different player :)
[07:19] <Jordan_U> crimsonmane: I know exactly what gksudo does, and how it differs from plain sudo. That does not change the fact that it is not responsible to recommend running applications as root that were not designed to be run as root. If you'd like to continue this discussion please do so in #ubuntu-ops.
[07:19] <aaas> rrrrr "sound/core.h: No such file or directory" using 'make release' (musescore), no configure script, apt-file shows sound/core.h in header file.  /usr/src/linux/include (linux symbolic link to kernel headers the same as uname -a (except no -generic)) in path and ld_library_path, make clean and reestart make release still doesn't work..any ideas?
[07:19] <tdignan> phunyguy_x1_: try mv ~/.config/banshee-1 ~/backup-banshee
[07:19] <tdignan> then restart banshee
[07:20] <crimsonmane> that's alright Jordan_U. I'll let you Nazi's have the final word. it's how these places are run after all.
[07:20] <tdignan> restart it from a terminal, so you can see any clues it might print
[07:20] <phunyguy_x1_> dougb I am trying to... thats why I tried banshee
[07:20] <phunyguy_x1_> rhythmbox just will not do at all (playing music from cifs shares in gvfs)
[07:20] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: kill 7282; kill 7584
[07:20] <phunyguy_x1_> and I need ipod management as well
[07:21] <fish47> Hi everyone, I'm looking forward to find a hook script which will be run after the X started. By the way, xinitrc/xsession don't work at all. Thanks.
[07:21] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, nope
[07:21] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: If that doesn't do it, then "kill -9 7282; kill -9 7584".
[07:22] <talpur_> how I remove OpenJDK from my system
[07:22] <phunyguy_x1_> no go Jordan_U
[07:22] <tdignan> why,so you can make sure you're using the oracle jdk?
[07:22] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: Did you get any error message from either of those commands?
[07:22] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, nope.
[07:22] <tdignan> just change JAVA_HOME and PATH in your ~/.bash_profile. There is no need to remove the openjdk when your system software might be depending on it.
[07:23] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: Can you pastebin the output of "pstree -p" again?
[07:24] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1349935/
[07:24] <tdignan> do other apps that play audio work?
[07:25] <phunyguy_x1_> tdignan, yes
[07:26] <phunyguy_x1_> my issue with rhythmbox is importing from the fuse-mounted cifs share is painfully slow
[07:27] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: I've never before seen a defunct process whose parent is init. That either indicates that something I'm not thinking about is going on, or something is terribly broken.
[07:27] <phunyguy_x1_> shouldnt be that time consuming to look at a few lines of metadata
[07:27] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, I hear ya
[07:28] <phunyguy_x1_> but yeah, with Rhythmbox I get import errors that are timeouts
[07:28] <phunyguy_x1_> it just takes too long
[07:28] <phunyguy_x1_> other apps pull in really fast but are missing features I need
[07:31] <ghabit> phunyguy_x1, I have some errors with rhytmbox too. Mostly on collection scanning.
[07:31] <phunyguy_x1_> ghabit, is your music stored on a share?
[07:32] <ghabit> phunyguy_x1, no, it's on local ntfs partition.
[07:32] <phunyguy_x1_> is the ntfs partition mounted via fuse?
[07:32] <phunyguy_x1_> (gvfs)
[07:33] <phunyguy_x1_> see where I am going?
[07:33] <Guest49256> hi guys i am running 12.10 and i followed the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190 to install my canon lbp 2900 printer , but not working :( , any working guide available ?
[07:34] <ghabit> phunyguy_x1, sorry, I don't know how to answer your question. But I can give you /etc/fstab line, here it is: "/media/e was on /dev/sdb6 during installation
[07:34] <ghabit> UUID=6E6A8B816A8B4535 /media/e        ntfs    defaults,umask=002,gid=46 0"
[07:34] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: What made you think that it was defunct, rather than in an uninterruptible sleep (which is what 'D' in the process status means, 'Z' is defunct)?
[07:34] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, ps -axf | grep banshee listed it as <defunct>
[07:35] <phunyguy_x1_> ghabit nevermind then
[07:35] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: That really is bizarre.
[07:36] <aaas> why isn't my compile script aware of my headers in /usr/src/linux-header
[07:36] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, yer tellin me, lol
[07:36] <dougbb> aaas, probably lack of a -I
[07:37] <phunyguy_x1_> dougbb what do you use for music? (since you made that comment)
[07:37] <aaas> dougbb if I only have a makefile (no configure) using cmake any idea what I would modivy
[07:37] <aaas> modify*
[07:37] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: We can try sending SIGCHLD to init to tell it to reap its children, but we really shouldn't need to do that (and I don't know if it will help).
[07:38] <dougbb> phunyguy_ whatever xubuntu uses when I click on a music file :)
[07:38] <phunyguy_x1_> Jordan_U, I will reboot in a bit
[07:38] <Jordan_U> phunyguy_x1_: But that's not as fun, we won't have solved the mystery :)
[07:38] <dougbb> aaas: no idea, I hate cmake :)
[07:38] <phunyguy_x1_> well then
[07:38] <phunyguy_x1_> lol
[07:39] <dougbb> phunyguy_ I've used rhythmbox in the past, it seemed ok
[07:39] <lonewulf85> Is there a way to set unity so it will start on the applications lens?
[07:39] <dougbb> I'm wondering if banshee is now suffering from the same symptom as your trial of rhythmbox did, and it's hung trying to close an fd
[07:40] <ahmet> selamlar
[07:40] <ahmet> :)
[07:40] <phunyguy_x1_> "close an fd"?
[07:40] <T3> T3
[07:40] <dougbb> close a file descriptor
[07:40] <phunyguy_x1_> ohh...
[07:40] <Jordan_U> dougbb: Then it wouldn't be defunct though.
[07:40] <phunyguy_x1_> maybe i can remount the shares
[07:41] <phunyguy_x1_> share*