[02:43] <lifeless> hallyn: around? mountall barfing again for me in lucid-lxc
[02:43] <lifeless> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mountall_2.15.3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:43] <lifeless>  unable to make backup link of `./lib/init/fstab' before installing new version: Invalid cross-device link
[02:49] <twb> Urk
[02:49] <twb> lifeless: what's your /proc/mounts look like
[02:49] <twb> pref. both inside and outside the container
[02:50] <lifeless> twb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/850850/
[02:51] <lifeless> in, then out
[02:51] <twb> Hm, btrfs has a limit on ~30 hard links in one dir, this causes problems for at least git package upgrades...
[02:52] <twb> Where is it backing up lib/init/fstab *to*?
[02:52] <twb> It's dpkg doing it, right?  We are not talking about the postinst
[02:53] <lifeless> I assume so
[02:53] <lifeless> Unpacking replacement mountall ...
[02:53] <lifeless> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mountall_2.15.3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:53] <lifeless>  unable to make backup link of `./lib/init/fstab' before installing new version: Invalid cross-device link
[02:53] <lifeless> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:53] <lifeless> ls -l /lib/init/fstab
[02:53] <lifeless> -rw-r--r-- 0 root root 444 2011-08-11 18:27 /lib/init/fstab
[02:54] <lifeless> stat /lib/init/fstab
[02:54] <lifeless> ..
[02:54] <lifeless> Device: fc07h/64519d    Inode: 87044329    Links: 0
[02:54] <lifeless> regular file
[03:01] <twb> Is that saying it has 0 hard links ot 444 hard links?
[03:01] <twb> That's weird, the 0 should be a 1
[03:02] <twb> On my debian 2.6.32 system running btrfs, /etc/fstab for example has a 1 in that column, indicating one instance of the inode on the filesystem.  If it was hard-linked it'd say "2", but why would it ever say 0
[03:09] <patdk-lap> in what column?
[03:12] <twb> After the DAC, second column
[03:12] <lifeless> twb: 0 links
[03:13] <twb> It can't have 0 links
[03:13] <lifeless> twb: I'm not running btrfs :P
[03:13] <twb> If you just touch a file, that file has a link
[03:13] <lifeless> indeed
[03:13] <lifeless> just reporting what is there ;)
[03:14] <patdk-lap> what if it's a deleted file?
[03:14] <twb> patdk-lap: in that case maybe
[03:14] <patdk-lap> since btrfs doesn't really delete a file
[03:15] <twb> But if it's deleted it won't appear in the dirent
[03:15] <lifeless> what does btrfs have to do with it ?
[03:15] <patdk-lap> dunno, twb said running btrfs
[03:15] <twb> lifeless: I am just doing a knee-jerk reaction to btrfs + hard links
[03:15] <lifeless> sure, but I'm running ext4....
[03:15] <twb> That's not what the paste said
[03:16] <lifeless> thats /dev/sde-1
[03:16] <twb> Oh, /media/tb1-2 only, never mind all the noise
[03:16] <lifeless> my external drive with a copy of archive.u.c on it
[03:16] <twb> The 0 links is still very odd tho
[03:16] <lifeless> yup
[03:16] <twb> ohhhh
[03:17] <twb> it's a file bind mount or something -- look at line 14
[03:17] <twb> That's fucking WEIRD
[03:17] <lifeless> yeah
[03:17] <BuenGenio> hello
[03:17] <BuenGenio> after log rotation apache for some reason will stop writing to the new log file, until I do a manual restart (service apache2 restart)
[03:17] <twb> I've never seen that before
[03:17] <BuenGenio> any idea?
[03:17] <twb> BuenGenio: logrotate is supposed to tell apache to reload
[03:18] <twb> BuenGenio: if that doesn't happen automatically your logrotate <--> apache interaction is broken
[03:19] <twb> BuenGenio: this is because apache opens the log file and keeps writing to it forever, so after rotation it is still writing to the rotated file; with most daemons (dunno about apache) you send it a HUP which tells it to close and reopen the log file based on path, i.e. it opens the new log file
[03:21] <FainaUkraina> sorry got disconnected
[03:22] <FainaUkraina> so is it an Ubuntu thing with logrotate?
[03:22] <twb> FainaUkraina: no it's a unix-wide thing, everything that rotates logs needs to do this
[03:23] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/156995/
[03:23] <FainaUkraina> yes, I understood it needs a HUP, but why does ubuntu not send it?
[03:23] <twb> It should
[03:23] <twb> Presumably you broke it somehow
[03:58] <qman___> yeah, apache has proper log rotation in a default install
[03:58] <qman___> it should 'just work' unless you go and change it
[05:53] <funkysmell> hello. I have access to ubuntu server, but only via ssh. I have sudo access. I need to change the proxy settings on the server so I can use wget. any help would be awesome
[05:54] <funkysmell> where wold i find the proxy details?
[05:57] <twb> funkysmell: http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/
[05:58] <twb> CLI tools usually honour that environment variable; e.g. w3m, curl, wget do.  Most GUI browser do not, because they have stupid fat heads.
[05:58] <twb> As with other environment variables, you need to either put it in front of the command you want to run, or export it.
[06:17] <funkysmell> twb: Cheers, I'll try it an let you know
[07:58] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #930252 in squid3 (main) "squid3 crashed with SIGABRT in fatal_dump()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930252
[08:16] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:08] <iclebyte> where could I grab the source code for the version of 'login' installed on ubuntu 10.04lts ?
[09:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937613 in openldap (main) "Segmentation fault in libc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937613
[09:50] <kai> iclebyte: apt-get source login ? or somesuch
[10:13] <RoyK> iclebyte: use dpkg -S to find the package containing the binary and then apt-get source to grab the source code
[10:21] <iclebyte> i got it thanks.
[10:22] <iclebyte> is it possible to lock telnet down to only specific users?
[10:22] <iclebyte> in.telnetd
[10:22] <larsemil> Fatal: device-mapper: mapped boot device cannot be on multiple real devices
[10:22] <larsemil> what to do ^^
[10:22] <larsemil> that is when running depmod
[10:33] <rbasak> jamespage: I've just written a tool that recurses down reverse build depenencies. The transition is now 206 packages.
[10:34] <jamespage> rbasak, 206?
[10:34] <rbasak> jamespage: maybe I've made a mistake
[10:34] <jamespage> rbasak, hrm - maybe
[10:34] <jamespage> that sounds huge
[10:35] <lynxman> morning o/
[10:36] <eutheria> is /var/backup for general purpose use?
[10:44] <TeTeT> after upgrading from 10.04 to Precise, the vm's managed through libvirt are gone. Do the config files need to be changed?
[10:48] <smb> TeTeT, which part was upgraded the VM host or the machine running them? And what VM type KVM or Xen?
[10:50] <TeTeT> smb: the host was upgraded, kvm in use
[10:51] <TeTeT> more details: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/851214/
[10:52] <rbasak> jamespage: does this look reasonable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/851215/
[10:53] <smb> TeTeT, Ok, not sure where managed instances are saved in the KVM case. Though the virsh list seems to show some, but I guess those you did re-create?
[10:54] <smb> TeTeT, Oh, actually I guess they should be in qemu dir you listed... :-P
[10:54] <jamespage> rbasak, it looks like to much
[10:55] <smb> TeTeT, Let me check something on a local machine...
[10:55] <jamespage> we only need to transition packages that actually depend on libopenmpiXX
[10:55] <TeTeT> smb: yes, I created a few new ones
[10:56] <smb> TeTeT, Could you pastebin (or put onto chinstrap) one of the non-working configs?
[10:58] <TeTeT> smb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/851226/
[11:02] <smb> TeTeT, Hm, ok. Odd. At least looking quickly the format seems still the same here. Would there be anything interesting in /var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.log?
[11:04] <TeTeT> smb: full of this error type: 2012-02-20 07:58:57.850+0000: 1278: error : virDomainDefParseXML:7542 : unsupported configuration: Only the first console can be a serial por
[11:06] <smb> TeTeT, Hm, at least there seems to be the console section listed twice in the xml you pasted...
[11:06] <TeTeT> smb: seems the console has been changed
[11:06] <tjaalton> zul: hey, are you planning to merge samba from debian, 3.6.2 seems to include a bunch of bugfixes (.3 just one CVE)
[11:07] <TeTeT> smb: yep, the old vms use two time console, the new one serial and console
[11:08] <smb> TeTeT, ok that probably should be handled more gracefully on upgrade... I guess when you can verify that changing one of those to serial does fix it to be displayed this could be considered a bug in the upgrade...
[11:11] <TeTeT> smb: worked for one vm so far, haven't changed the others
[11:13] <smb> TeTeT, Ok, well have not heard about it yet. MAybe needs a bug still. Btu I try to remember to bring it up in the meeting today. If there is nothing coming up before
[11:13] <TeTeT> smb: but is filed, bug 931350, strangely I did not get bug emails from it
[11:13] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 931350 in libvirt "vms missing after upgrade from Lucid to Precise" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931350
[11:15] <smb> TeTeT, Weird indeed...
[11:16]  * smb has to physically transfer his entity... (->afk)
[11:19] <lx-berlin> hi, anyone here? I have a ubuntu software RAID 1. I just booted the computer and everything was fine. Then i did a "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo shutdown -r now". After the restart mdadm started a rebuild. This is not normal, right?
[11:44] <eutheria> i am struggling to load my system to generate a pgp key
[11:45] <eutheria> i wonder if it is because it is a vm
[11:46] <patdk-lap> well, you need random data
[11:46] <patdk-lap> and vm's have less random data
[11:47] <patdk-lap> cause more interrupts and other things, network traffi, ...
[11:47] <eutheria> would running stress help?
[11:47] <patdk-lap> dunno
[11:47] <eutheria> it hits the cpu and disk
[11:48] <eutheria> oh why didn't i generate it on the host
[11:48] <patdk-lap> rng-tools is the quik method
[11:52] <eutheria> well the rngtest seems to help
[11:54] <eutheria> oh weird the number went down then up
[12:08] <eutheria> wow that was difficult
[12:48] <zul> tjaalton: it would hvae been done yesterday but i was on holiday ill get to it today but its assigned to someone else
[13:00] <tjaalton> zul: cool, nice to hear (just happened to bump into the relnotes of 3.6.2, that's all)
[13:10] <jamespage> hallyn, utlemming - really like the ubuntu-cloud lxc template - works really nicely
[14:16] <husien> hello guys.. i'm trying to intall ubuntu server 11.10 into my VmWare workstation8. and i got tis --->> Warning :file:///cdrom/pool/main/v/vim/vim-tiny_7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2ubuntu3_i386.deb was corrupt
[14:16] <husien> Warning :couldn't download package vim-tiny (ver 2:7.3.154 +hg~74503f6ee649-2ubuntu3 arc i386
[14:17] <husien> redownload the ubuntu server 11.10 and burn the iso with 3 diffrent software. still got the same problem.. ermmmmm...
[14:17] <pmatulis> hmm, just upgraded a lucid server and the language pack for Firefox was brought in...
[14:18] <zul> Daviey: hey did you have a look at the merge yet?
[14:19] <koolhead17> husien: can you do md5 checksum for the ISO integrity?
[14:22] <koolhead17> husien: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto  this doc will help you :)
[14:28] <eutheria> what would be the 'best' way to backup a mysql server?
[14:31] <koolhead17> eutheria: backup as in?
[14:32] <eutheria> well i was just going to mysqldump it all
[14:33] <eutheria> but i just thought i would ask the question and see if someone said, the magic tool that gives all options is
[14:33] <koolhead17> eutheria: i would use mysqldump too :
[14:47] <husien> i using winMd5sum to cheksum the Iso..  MD5SUM-->>881d188cb1ca5fb18e3d9132275dceda compare 881d188cb1ca5fb18e3d9132275dceda the result is same..
[14:51] <koolhead17> husien: where did you get  881d188cb1ca5fb18e3d9132275dceda ? From the ubuntu download page?
[14:52] <eutheria> koolhead17, i found a package that does some mysql back automation, i will see if it is any good
[14:52] <husien> http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/MD5SUMS
[14:53] <koolhead17> eutheria: what is it called. i am curious too :)
[14:53] <eutheria> automysqlbackup
[14:54] <eutheria> it isn't doing much, but i just wanted something that i could do an apt-get install on and have backups done quickly
[14:54] <geekbri> I seem to be having an issue where a user with a nonstandard home directory in 10.10 isn't reading properly from .bashrc or .profile.  Anybody have any experience with this issue?  I tried setting JAVA_HOME in both of those and it is always blank when i sudo -i -u user or su - username.  If i set the JAVA_HOME once I am logged in as the user it works fine...
[14:54] <RoyK> eutheria: mysqldump > some-file, backup that file
[14:55] <koolhead17> husien: how about installing the package from repository, incase you have internet access on the VM once installed?
[14:55] <eutheria> RoyK, more like dbs = `mysql -e 'show databases` for db in dbs: mysqldump --opt --rountines etc etc
[14:56] <RoyK> eutheria: or --all-databases ...
[14:56] <RoyK> eutheria: I never specified opts - that's up to you ;)
[14:56] <eutheria> RoyK, i like to have a .sql file of each db,
[14:56] <eutheria> i just wanted something that would do that for me
[14:57] <eutheria> i've written that backup script so many times and forgot about it so many times :)
[14:57] <RoyK> it takes like two minutes to write that shell script...
[14:57] <eutheria> takes 10 seconds to apt-get install autobackupmysql
[14:57] <RoyK> heh - use a private source repository
[14:58] <RoyK> eutheria: plus the time to find it plus the time to configure it?
[14:58] <eutheria> configured out the box
[14:58] <eutheria> i know it know so done :)
[14:58] <eutheria> err now
[14:58]  * RoyK mutters something about laziness
[14:58] <eutheria> all good programmers are lazy
[14:59] <RoyK> eutheria: and all operations personel like to be in control
[15:00] <eutheria> i have things to do :)
[15:01] <eutheria> this is why i have a pfsense firewall these days and not iptables
[15:01] <eutheria> i went nuts and it is virtual pfsense firewall
[15:01] <husien> koolhead17: now i know what the problem.. its my VmWare..!!! damn.. lol :) .. ok i going to reinstall this first and reboot my pc... big thanks koolhead17...
[15:01] <koolhead17> hi robbiew
[15:01] <eutheria> ubuntu is my ldap/dns and db servers
[15:01] <robbiew> hey koolhead17
[15:01] <koolhead17> husien: your welcome :)
[15:02] <koolhead17> eutheria: whats final verdict then :D
[15:02] <Daviey> zul: not as yet, can you resend me the details pls?
[15:02] <eutheria> koolhead17, well it seems to do a good job, you get a daily, weekly and monthly folders
[15:03] <eutheria> ok i am going a little nuts using duplicity to make a backup of this data on top
[15:03] <zul> Daviey: sure lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/{nova,keystone}/debian-merge
[15:03] <eutheria> but i think what i will do with duplicity is have only 1 weeks worth of backups
[15:04] <Daviey> ta
[15:04] <eutheria> and this way i have 1 months worth of mysql dumps
[15:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937869 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "5.1.x security update tracking bug" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937869
[16:33] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #932466 in glance "glance db migrations deadlock against precise mysql server" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932466
[16:39] <smoser> Daviey, re bug 924375, i think i'm waiting on something from maas team on what i'm supposed to take in.
[16:39] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 924375 in cloud-init "cloud-init should allow pre-seeding of ec2 datasource:Ec2:metadata_urls" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924375
[16:39] <smoser> pre-seeding ec2 data source might be generally useful, but wouldn't be used.
[16:40] <smoser> the maas one is what is important (and there is nothing for maas now).
[16:46] <Daviey> smoser: just a url?
[16:46] <smoser> maas will need cloud-init to do oath i think
[16:46] <Daviey> a fully qualified url, not wildcard?
[16:46] <Daviey> smoser: oh, bollox
[16:46] <Daviey> smoser: ok, let me get back to you.
[16:48] <jMCg> Hey folks, I'm failing to build the latest qemu-kvm package (deb-src from precise) on oneiric: http://dpaste.com/706381/ -- anyone know a good reason why this is failing -- or the right channel to ask this?
[16:51] <jMCg> w00t. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList?highlight=%28CategoryIRC%29 >> I guess #ubuntu-packaging
[16:54] <hallyn> jMCg: did you 'debian/rules build' first?  looks like the configure step wasn't done, so i suspect not
[16:54] <smb> SpamapS, Daviey About that CEPH thing: nobody from the kernel team had been aware. And given its feature freeze by now there probably needs to be a very good argument to get anything done, if it is required.
[16:55] <jMCg> hallyn: ACK.
[16:55] <SpamapS> smb: no changes are needed
[16:56] <SpamapS> smb: the large xattr stuff is an optimization
[16:56] <smb> SpamapS, Ah, ok. Leann is crafting an email to clearify things. But it sounds as those then get at least postponed
[16:56] <SpamapS> smb: the better optimization is to just use BTRFS, which is what upstream recommends.
[16:57] <SpamapS> smb: yeah, lets make sure it gets on the TODO for precise+1
[16:57] <smb> SpamapS, And assigned to something that we are aware off :)
[17:04] <BrixSat> hello i have seted up debian on a hp server with raid1 by software and after all the install i dont get grub :( (no boot at all)
[17:04] <BrixSat> *ubuntu 64bits :)
[17:37] <koolhead17> so new version of apache server releases :)
[17:44] <goddard> how can you test the connection speed of your server?
[17:44] <goddard> realiably :D
[17:44] <goddard> if they say you have a 100Mbit connection when can you call them a liar ?
[17:49] <andol> goddard: Well, first of all they really have to define to at what point they promise 100Mbit...
[17:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937987 in squid3 (main) "squid is loosing cache data when restarting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937987
[18:04] <goddard> andol: well first i have to test the speed because that is the funnest part
[18:15] <SpamapS> utlemming: hey are you aware of issues with the precise cloud images?
[18:15] <SpamapS> utlemming:  libc6-xen : PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.13-24ubuntu4) but 2.15-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[18:16] <SpamapS> utlemming: looks like they maybe got created half-way through a glibc update?
[18:16] <utlemming> Spamaps: No, this is the first that I've seen of it.
[18:17]  * utlemming looks
[18:17] <utlemming> SpamapS: are you using yesterday's image or todays?
[18:18] <SpamapS> utlemming: checking
[18:18] <SpamapS> ami-5b4f9e32
[18:19] <SpamapS> in us-east-1
[18:20] <utlemming> that's the alhpa2 release image
[18:20] <SpamapS> interesting
[18:20] <utlemming> SpamapS: do you have a bug number on that?
[18:20] <SpamapS> we use http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/ in juju ..
[18:21] <SpamapS> utlemming: yes it was reported in juju first.. hang on
[18:21] <utlemming> what is the full query string that you're using?
[18:23] <SpamapS> utlemming: looking that up
[18:23] <SpamapS> utlemming: I think it might be released.. which would explain the issue
[18:23] <utlemming> SpamapS: ack
[18:24] <utlemming> SpamapS: that's what I am thinking
[18:24] <SpamapS> utlemming: is the alpha2 image known to be totally broken?
[18:24] <utlemming> SpamapS: not that I've seen
[18:25] <utlemming> what is the JuJu bug so I can get some context here
[18:25] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/937889
[18:25] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 937889 in juju "Hang on "juju status" with EC2 and Precise" [Undecided,New]
[18:26] <utlemming> SpamapS: logs?
[18:27] <SpamapS> utlemming: I've got an affected instance up
[18:28] <SpamapS> utlemming: imported your key on the instance I just msg'd you
[18:34] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #937941 in puppet (main) "Upstream have withdrawn 2.7.10 due to several regressions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937941
[18:47] <utlemming> SpamapS: this looks like a problem with an interactive dialog that is triggered with an update/installation. I'm testing a fix right now
[18:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #938047 in mysql-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938047
[18:51] <sdferfx> Hello. I am trying to use Ubuntu AMIs to install Ubuntu 11.10, but I want to attach to my own EBS device. Can this happen? If not, how do I manually specify an ISO to EC2 for install?
[18:52] <Zermanno> Hi, i'm using top but i can't understand which time unit it use in the TIME column, are they seconds?
[18:55] <sdferfx> Zermanno, use htop
[18:55] <Zermanno> sdferfx, done! thanks!
[18:56] <patdk-wk> Zermanno, TIME+ is Min:Sec.secdecimals
[18:56] <Zermanno> tnx
[18:56]  * patdk-wk notes top and htop do the same
[18:57] <sdferfx> Yeah, htop wouldn't solve that question, it's just a lot better ;)
[18:57] <patdk-wk> prstat :)
[19:14] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #938044 in freeradius (main) "Unable to listen on IPv6" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938044
[19:14] <SpamapS> utlemming: hm I wonder if install_packages installs recommends
[19:14]  * utlemming checks
[19:15] <Jeeves_> Sorry about #938044
[19:15] <Jeeves_> My bad :)
[19:20] <utlemming> SpamapS: the default for cloud images is to install recommends, but not suggests
[19:22] <SpamapS> utlemming: ok so that will be the same behavior.
[19:23] <SpamapS> utlemming: fix pending, looks pretty simple to change. :)
[19:23] <SpamapS> Heh. have to change 6 lines of code, and 10 tests
[19:24] <utlemming> SpamapS: a nice side effect is a faster boot...it looks like it'll shave two or three minutes off
[19:29] <SpamapS> utlemming: what will?
[19:29] <utlemming> SpamapS: consolidating the install of juju into the other packages list
[19:30] <SpamapS> utlemming: I want to believe you, but 2 - 3 minutes sounds extreme!
[19:30] <SpamapS> utlemming: is that because it happens in parallel with other stuff?
[19:31] <utlemming> I'm not sure...but in testing the fix, it was done quicker. Perhaps it was just me, but it was at least a minute or two.
[19:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #938078 in apache2 (main) "Problems with mod_rewrite since updating to 2.2.14-5ubuntu8.8 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938078
[19:37] <SpamapS> utlemming: Alright, fix proposed. :)
[19:44] <zul> Daviey/rbasak: the nova console patch has been re-enabled
[20:02] <rbasak> zul: awesome - thanks!
[20:04] <Daviey> zul: cool
[20:21] <RoyK> !xen
[20:22] <jfbouchard> Hello, I have an issue with Ubuntu 10.04 + a guess Windows XP 32 bits in KVM. Install goes fine but when I start the OS, I get a nice black screen and the CPU goes to 100%
[20:22] <jfbouchard> After research online, there is a lot of occurance of this. Note that I don't find any valid error message. any idea ?
[20:24] <cyberdyn> can anyone point me to some docs or offer some suggestions on how to troubleshoot why my ubuntu 11.10 server (new install) isn't sending mail? / I've installed exim according to linode docs..: http://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-ubuntu-11.04-natty
[20:25] <cyberdyn> i try to send mail with echo "This is a test." | mail -s Testing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/ and it doesn't get delivered.
[20:30] <RoyK> that xen article needs some cleanup...
[20:40] <stgraber> hallyn, jjohansen: Do you have an ETA for the new kernel/apparmor fixing the current LXC issues? I was trying to figure out a way of dealing with locales in containers and noticed that localegen seems to be blocked by apparmor here for no good reason
[20:41] <jjohansen> stgraber: I am going to send the pull request today
[20:42] <jjohansen> stgraber: I can build you a kernel with it if you would like, it will probably take a day or two to land
[20:43] <stgraber> jjohansen: I can wait for it to land if we're so close to having it in. I started deploying LXC on more and more of my servers and so far localegen and udev upgrades are the only two cases where I noticed the issue and I have workarounds for both
[20:44] <jjohansen> stgraber: okay, but if you change your mind just ping me
[20:44] <stgraber> hallyn: btw, the easiest way to deal with locales will probably be to do "chroot $ROOTFS /usr/share/locales/install-language-pack $LANG"
[20:45] <stgraber> hallyn: and probably messing with /etc/default/locale a little too (well, copying it should be the easiest)
[20:51] <hallyn> stgraber: heh, thanks, pinging jjohansen was on my todo list
[20:52] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, let me know if you want me to touch the locale stuff, else i'm assuming you'll do it if you feel it's needed
[20:53] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm not 100% sure it'll be needed yet, apparmor preventing localegen might be preventing it from just working. Anyway I'm getting error messages every time I login over ssh, so that's a good reminder that I need to deal with it ;)
[21:06] <lifeless> hallyn: hey, did you see my issue with mountall in backscroll ?
[21:06] <lifeless> hallyn: should I file a bug ?
[21:07] <hallyn> lifeless: i id not
[21:08] <hallyn> lifeless: I think that's basically un-fixable for lucid;  fixed for precise.
[21:08] <hallyn> stgraber may have a bug (fix released) that that's a dup of, even.
[21:08] <lifeless> hallyn: so, while I need a lucid lxc, I'm boned ?
[21:09] <lifeless> hallyn: (my host is precise)
[21:09] <hallyn> you can work around it, but we can't just make it work with no extra work
[21:09] <hallyn> simplest workarounds: (a) do it in kvm;  (b) just umount /lib/init/fstab before doing the upgrade
[21:10] <lifeless> b works for me ;)
[21:10] <hallyn> it's very unfortunte
[21:10] <hallyn> similar bugs happen when an upgrade tries to create /dev/console or somesuch
[21:10] <stgraber> lifeless: yeah, if you try to upgrade mountall, udev or makedev in a container your update will crash
[21:11] <stgraber> lifeless: for mountall, unmounting /lib/fstab is enough, for udev/makedev, the easiest is to shutdown the container, then chroot into it and upgrade, then boot the container again
[21:11] <stgraber> all of these are fixed in Precise but need changes inside the container that we can't really sru/backport
[21:14] <lifeless> thabks
[21:15] <hallyn> stgraber: it's not purty, but i've got about 6 pages of pdf (latex source) for a start to the lxc server guide.  let me know if you care to look over it, else i'll assume you'd rather gauge your eyes out (and not be offended).
[21:18] <stgraber> hallyn: sure I can certainly find some time to look at it
[21:19] <hallyn> ok, thanks.  just trying to decide how much to say about libvirt-lxc
[21:30] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, maybe it's too early to get feedback.  But http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc.serverguide.pdf
[21:34] <rbasak> hallyn: mind if I take a look? I've been setting up a precise server with lxc :)
[21:34] <hallyn> rbasak: absolutely!
[21:35] <rbasak> thanks!
[21:35] <hallyn> rbasak: if you want the latex source to make notes in, it's at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc.serverguide.tex
[21:36] <rbasak> thank you!
[21:37] <hallyn> (jsut re-synced it;  i won't push to there again for now in the hopes of keeping your copies in sync :)
[21:39] <hallyn> (note - Daviey said he had someone who was going to polish it later, so i'm just trying to get all the content in and accurate, nto going for polish or eloquence)
[21:40] <rbasak> hallyn: so I had a possible issue yesterday - I have a btrfs root, but lxc-create -ing new containers seems to use space every time. Is this expected?
[21:41] <hallyn> as in, full rootfs space?
[21:41] <rbasak> yes
[21:42] <hallyn> not expected, unless btrfs strangely reports
[21:42] <hallyn> what does 'btrfs subvolume list' show?
[21:42] <hallyn> (or whatever command shows subvolume info)
[21:43] <hallyn> (note smoser coded and tested it so he might be better able to answer;  but it sounds wrong to me)
[21:43] <rbasak> that does suggest that it's working
[21:44] <hallyn> rbasak: no wait
[21:44] <rbasak> but my available space goes down by 300 megs each time
[21:44] <hallyn> no, no, no.  i don't know if i dropped a piece of smoser's work, but that is just not done right
[21:45] <hallyn> it creates teh btrfs subvolume, then still calls the lxc-ubuntu template to populate it with rsync
[21:45] <rbasak> that would explain what I'm seeing
[21:45] <hallyn> hm, though rsycn should see the same dates and leave the data alone
[21:46] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/851895/
[21:47] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks
[21:47] <rbasak> "For rapid provisioning, you may wish to customize a “canonical” container..." -- I like what you did there :-)
[21:47] <hallyn> i wanted to slap myself, but it's the right word to use there :)
[21:48] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess we can also mention the crazy architecture simulation stuff somewhere in there as an advanced feature ;)
[21:48] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, yeah
[21:48] <hallyn> at least, just mention --arch for creation
[21:49] <hallyn> hopefully it all works smoothly enough that we don't need to say any more about how it works
[21:49] <hallyn> (if we wanted to write a LISA paper, it'd be a cool section to add)
[21:49] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, mentioning -a would be good and mentioning that if qemu-user-static is installed, then any supported architecture should work whatever your CPU actually is
[21:50] <hallyn> ok
[21:50] <rbasak> I haven't tried that feature yet but I think it'll be really useful for me. Thanks for that!
[21:50] <hallyn> at some point i'll add the other templates (and their limitations) as well.  but not this week probably
[21:54] <rbasak> hallyn: the documentation is great - thanks for that.
[21:55] <rbasak> hallyn: for networking, I'm interested in also connecting lxc to a bridge that I manage, and separately I wonder if I can get an lxc machine to share the same ethernet interface as the host? So that they can bind to different ports but on the same IP.
[21:56] <hallyn> (i've been typing so much on obsucre commands i rarely use that i forget what is actually in there, but) i do want how to use an existing bridge to be covered in teh guide...
[21:56] <rbasak> hallyn: lxc-start surprised me by grabbing my terminal; I expected it to daemonize (like virsh start does). This is a pain because I then had to look up the command to stop it in a separate terminal. Might be worth documenting
[21:56] <hallyn> different ports on same ip, that's not doable
[21:56] <rbasak> Understood :-(
[21:57] <hallyn> d'oh, yes, -d was on my list.  i must have deleted accidentally
[21:57] <hallyn> well, no, wait
[21:57] <hallyn> you *can* do that,
[21:57] <hallyn> just don't give the container a network definition at all, and it will share the host's network.
[21:57] <hallyn> i.e. leave out the 'lxc.network.type=veth' part of the config file
[21:57] <rbasak> oooh, awesome, thanks!
[21:57] <hallyn> belongs in there too, thanks :)
[21:58] <_KaszpiR_> hi
[21:58] <rbasak> that's my real use case - I have a VPS and IPv4 addresses are limited, but I would like separation between different things the server will do
[21:59] <rbasak> I'm curious about what lxcguest did, but I don't suppose that's particularly important.
[22:00] <rbasak> I hope that's useful feedback. The document really helped me though - I couldn't find this information concisely last week, and I think this will be really useful.
[22:00] <hallyn> it did things like send out fake net-device-up for lo, mount an empty /lib/init/fstab so that moutnall doesn't mess up the host, and start a getty on /dev/console
[22:00] <_KaszpiR_> I got a question, anyone got idea how to minimize server power usage? i'd like to make a home server that would not hod much pwoer if possible
[22:00] <_KaszpiR_> *hog
[22:00] <hallyn> (lxcguest ^)  but yeah i'm not sure i want that in the doc
[22:01] <hallyn> rbasak: great, thanks.  i sort of feel like it's too long to be useful, but obviously it's still incomplete.  thanksf or the comments.
[22:06] <rbasak> hallyn: for this kind of document, IMO long is not a problem, comprehensiveness is good - there should exist a document like that.
 makes sense
[22:44] <fluvvell> if anyone is familiar with dkim on postfix, can they suggest what "fatal: 8891:localhost: valid hostname or network address required" might mean in the mail log.
[23:11] <wmp> hello, anybody know how to disable access to PCI and lshw,lspci to user?


[12:31] <smlr-hangout> SMLR is going Live Video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/mSf8vlzUzEo Audio: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[12:33] <tony-smlr> SMLR is also on #smlr
[16:39] <snap-l> Good morning
[17:54] <rick_h> afternoon
[17:57] <rick_h> niiiiice http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2836412053
[18:33] <brousch> Got the boy on a trailer bike today
[19:11] <rick_h> brousch: oh yea? How did that go?


[20:21] <jsjgruber-x> This is a remark--it should be bold
[20:21] <JoseeAntonioR> wait
[20:21] <jsjgruber-x> This is a remark--it should be bold
[20:22] <JoseeAntonioR> nope, it's not
[20:22] <JoseeAntonioR> like, it's the same as if I would've written it
[20:23] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, yes, in fact it is
[20:23] <jsjgruber-x> your message is bold here--I see--you are on the calendar and I think I'm not.
[20:23] <JoseeAntonioR> your messages are too
[20:25] <jsjgruber-x> how am I mentioned in the calendar entry>
[20:25] <jsjgruber-x> >>
[20:25] <jsjgruber-x> ?
[20:25] <JoseeAntonioR> helper
[20:26] <jsjgruber-x> are we both helpers?
[20:26] <JoseeAntonioR> I am instructor
[20:26] <JoseeAntonioR> you are helper
[20:26] <JoseeAntonioR> but both of us are highlighted
[20:26] <jsjgruber-x> got it, that's good.
[20:26] <jsjgruber-x> explains everything
[20:27] <jsjgruber-x> Let me ask a question.
[20:27] <ClassBot> jsjgruber-l99-p asked: This is a question without a real query
[20:28] <JoseeAntonioR> great, shows the question in italics
[20:28] <jsjgruber-x> here it is in italic and bolded, which is the change coalwater contributed
[20:29] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm nope, here it's only in italics, but not bolded
[20:30] <jsjgruber-x> right, if you want to see what it looks like you would need to disconnect and connect again with a non faculty non helper userid and then ask a question that I ask classbot to send to the classroom
[20:30] <JoseeAntonioR> actually, JoseAntonioR is not set as instructor or helper
[20:31] <jsjgruber-x> ok, then please ask a question and I'll have classbot send it to the classroom
[20:32] <ClassBot> JoseeAntonioR asked: what's ubuntu
[20:32] <JoseeAntonioR> nope, still only bolded
[20:33] <JoseeAntonioR> http://imgur.com/48qyZpy
[20:36] <jsjgruber-x> not italics and bold?
[20:36] <jsjgruber-x>  JoseeAntonioR seems to be listed as instructor in the calendar entry (I just looked) do you want to use
[20:36] <jsjgruber-x>  JoseAntonioR?
[20:36] <JoseeAntonioR> wait
[20:36] <JoseeAntonioR> you're asking me to ask from lernid or from my IRC client?
[20:37] <jsjgruber-x> from lernid using JoseAntonioR, if you don't mind
[20:38] <ClassBot> JoseAntonioR asked: I am not set as an instructor
[20:38] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, works now
[20:38] <jsjgruber-x> bold and italic both?
[20:39] <jsjgruber-x> coalwater's idea was that you would better see your own question and its owner if it were both bold and italic
[20:39] <JoseeAntonioR> yep!
[20:40] <jsjgruber-x> great. now something truely strange
[20:40] <JoseeAntonioR> go for it
[20:40] <jsjgruber-x> please--in a terminal:
[20:40] <jsjgruber-x> touch empty.pdf
[20:40] <jsjgruber-x> Then please give me the complete name of the file. After I issue the slidefile
[20:40] <jsjgruber-x> command you should see some error messages, but no traceback.
[20:41] <JoseeAntonioR> empty.pdf, path to it is /home/joseeantonior/empty.pdf
[20:42] <jsjgruber-x> [slidefile /home/joseeantonior/empty.pdf]
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> I do get traceback
[20:43] <jsjgruber-x> Oh dear. What does it say?
[20:43] <JoseeAntonioR> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5580386/
[20:46] <jsjgruber-x> Oh, good, that's what you should see. A traceback would say [Traceback] followed by  info on where in the program it failed. It was a zero divide error if the file was empty. That looks good, it's just that there is nothing in the file and those messages are expected. A real traceback give a a scary apport dialog box annd we don't want to scare people using lernid because the instructor made a mistake.
[20:46] <jsjgruber-x> Should I go on?
[20:48] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, ok
[20:48] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[20:48] <jsjgruber-x> Could you check the Event menu for "Publicize with Gwibber"?
[20:48] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[20:48] <JoseeAntonioR> nothing happens when I click the button
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, something actually happens
[20:49] <jsjgruber-x> I'm not sure you should see anything, I think it tweets, etc., an automatic message
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> it actually tweets
[20:49] <jsjgruber-x> good
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> but doesn't display any confirmation message or whatsoever
[20:50] <jsjgruber-x> yep.
[20:50] <JoseeAntonioR> should I file a bug against that? a user who doesn't know what it does may be surprised by having random tweets
[20:51] <jsjgruber-x> Sure.
[20:52] <jsjgruber-x> Anything else you want to try in the classroom? if not please disconnect and choose ubuntu-on-air from the connect dialog.
[20:52] <JoseeAntonioR> nope, let's go for it
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[00:26] <rww> oh, he's the dude with the bed photo.
[00:27] <elky> with the bed photo?
[00:27] <elky> Do I even want to know?
[00:28] <rww> elky: remember? he posted a random photo of his bedroom for no apparent reason and confused us all?
[00:28] <rww> back on October 18th, from the look of it
[00:28] <hypatia> rww: yeah, he's that one
[00:51] <jledbetter> I need to keep a list of these people. I thought there was something but couldn't remember.
[09:30] <czajkowski> aloha


[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D
[08:20] <mzanetti> Mirv: hi
[10:48] <Mirv> mzanetti: I don't need TCP connection, UDP is fine
[10:48] <mzanetti> Mirv: reading the mailing list thread about maps... For the N9 I wrote a FoxtrottGPS clone in Qt. should be relatively easy to port that as an intermediate solution. there is one issue however: QtLocation's map doesn't regard the grid unit size.
[10:49] <mzanetti> Mirv: do you think that would be something we should distro-patch like with the browser?
[10:50] <Mirv> mzanetti: maybe so, although upstream solution would eventually be needed. the image tile maps are ~ok, but I do think a vector graphics one would be needed since otherwise there's no possibility of real offline maps.
[10:51] <mzanetti> Mirv: upstream supports both afaik. Just OSM only ships bitmap based map tiles
[10:53] <Mirv> mzanetti: well OSM is not a single entity, so anyone can create whatever kind of data, like navit at http://maps9.navit-project.org/ - whole Europe fits into <8GB
[10:53] <Mirv> the upstream just needs to define the format and then have an exporter from OSM database
[10:54] <mzanetti> Mirv: and the resources to host it. anyways... that's not really related to the actual issue I'd say. I guess right now also vector based map tiles would be rendered too small
[10:56] <Mirv> mzanetti: right, that OSM indeed doesn't do, host it. I think we shouldn't rely on volunteer funded external source anyway but have eg. a mirror
[10:59] <Mirv> mzanetti: but you're right, any sort of map click package would be better than nothing
[11:00] <Mirv> mzanetti: it seems Fabian Herb is also having a map viewer, but I guess no GPS listening yet https://code.launchpad.net/~fherb/+junk/pam
[11:00] <mzanetti> Mirv: I can port it over. seems quite simple. but still everything really hard to read because its so small
[11:00] <mzanetti> Mirv: because it doesn't regard the Grid units/DPI
[11:02] <Mirv> mzanetti: maybe the SDK team could enlighten about if there'd be something that should be done?
[11:03] <mzanetti> Mirv: do you mean I should report a bug?
[11:16] <Mirv> mzanetti: I meant asking first bzoltan / his team, but if you can formulate a bug about it, it's probably easier to communicate
[11:17] <bzoltan> Mirv: mzanetti: What can I help?
[11:17]  * mzanetti thought Mirv would be part of the SDK team
[11:17] <mzanetti> bzoltan: thinking about the QtLocation's map: it doesn't regard grid units
[11:17] <bzoltan> Mirv: mzanetti: in practice he is :)
[11:17] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  true
[11:17] <mzanetti> bzoltan: which causes street names to be really hard to read because so small
[11:18] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  never really tested. Please file a bug with a good description.
[11:18] <mzanetti> bzoltan: though if this would be required to distro-patch like with the browser until upstream solves that stuff
[11:18] <mzanetti> bzoltan: ok, I will
[11:18] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  most likely your thoght is correct
[11:19] <Mirv> mzanetti: I'm in desktop/integration team, but work closely with sdk team as well ;)
[11:19] <mzanetti> ah
[11:19] <mzanetti> ok. thanks guys. will file the bug and see if I manage to get T-Mon (the TangoGPS clone) running asap
[12:13] <nik90> nic-doffay: I dont think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1240629
[12:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1240629 in Ubuntu Clock App "Selecting the same option again in an OptionSelector results in that option being hidden" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:13] <nik90> nic-doffay: that bug is not fixed as of rev 801
[12:15] <nic-doffay> nik90, if this wasn't fixed then you should have commented on the old bug, not made another report! I'll look at it now though...
[12:16] <nic-doffay> nik90, it wasn't marked as fixed either.
[12:17] <nik90> nic-doffay: no this bug is different from the other
[12:17] <nik90> nic-doffay: as in this bug happens only if the selectedIndex variable is used during declaration
[12:17] <nik90> nic-doffay: the other bug happens when you select the same option again with/without the selectedIndex variable. Hence I created a new bug
[12:17] <nic-doffay> nik90, my mistake then. I should have looked at the report. I'll get to fixing this after lunch.
[12:18] <nik90> nic-doffay: np
[13:17] <aquarius> Is the App Design Clinic, going on right now, on irc somewhere as well so I can ask questions?
[13:17] <aquarius> popey, ^
[13:18] <popey> we generally take the questions offline and batch them up
[13:18] <aquarius> ah, OK
[13:18] <aquarius> I shall just watch this week then :)
[13:18] <aquarius> and put together some questions for Katie et al for the next one
[13:19] <popey> please do!
[13:19] <popey> we do them every other week
[13:23] <WebbyIT> There is a way to share ubuntu touch screen with another monitor?
[13:23] <WebbyIT> eg hdmi-miniusb?
[13:23] <WebbyIT> popey, ^
[13:27] <popey> not that I am aware of
[13:28] <aquarius> thank you, katie
[13:28] <mihir_> WebbyIT: again there is something wrong with your MR
[13:28] <WebbyIT> popey, what a pity!
[13:29] <WebbyIT> mihir_, yes, see, but I don't understant what, I'm investigating
[13:29] <mihir_> WebbyIT: I guesss you can catch balloons if he can help for jenkins
[13:30] <WebbyIT> sure, thanks
[13:31] <GuidoPallemans> I won't be able to make it to the reminders hangout, I've got a lesson in 30 mins
[13:34] <katie> aquarius, you're welcome!
[13:53] <WebbyIT> hei popey, I was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide and nowhere there is write to sign CoC. is a lack? Not a thing desired, I hope
[19:36] <Smrtz> Hey, I have a wgetpaste script in my Builds/wgetpaste-2.23/ directory, I cp'd it to /usr/bin, and when I run it, I get a "bash: /usr/bin/wgetpaste: /bin/bash bad interpreter: No such file or directory" error, can you guys help please?
[20:00] <randomcpp> mhall119 I just saw your feedback about saucybacon, I'll update the pkg tomorrow, is it ok for you? :-)
[20:00] <mhall119> randomcpp: works for me, thanks
[20:00] <mhall119> popey: ^^
[20:01]  * popey hugs randomcpp
[20:02] <randomcpp> ahah :-)
[20:03] <randomcpp> I'd do it right now, but I'm not at home..
[20:28] <AskUbuntu> Python Excercicse | http://askubuntu.com/q/364646
[22:40] <Elleo> are there instructions anywhere on how to get gdb working with ubuntu touch apps?
[22:40] <Elleo> launching them normally just results in "QUbuntu: Could not create application instance"


[00:27] <n00bo> hi..is there any particular reason or advantage why lubuntu uses openjdk instead of sun'S (now oracle's) jdk?
[03:05] <phillw> hyperair: maybe you can answer this one .... "(00:27:45) n00bo: hi..is there any particular reason or advantage why lubuntu uses openjdk instead of sun'S (now oracle's) jdk?"
[03:06] <n00bo> i'd really like to know... ^^
[03:06] <phillw> I'm guessing it is about licensing issue.
[03:06] <n00bo> hmm
[03:07] <n00bo> did oracle changed sth?
[03:07] <hyperair> phillw: because of licensing issues?
[03:08] <hyperair> sun/oracle's jdk is sitting in partner.canonical.com or something
[03:08] <hyperair> you can always enable that repository to get it
[03:08] <n00bo> afk for 5
[03:09] <phillw> hyperair: so it will be because it is not in the main repositories?
[03:09] <hyperair> yes
[03:10] <phillw> okies, then at least n00bo has an answer, thanks for the explanation :)
[03:11] <n00bo> thx
[03:15] <phillw> n00bo: fortunately on the real small Lubuntu team we have a couple of MOTUs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU I just call them Sir :D
[03:23] <phillw> n00bo you will be receiving an invite to our offtopic channel, we chill out on there along with people from several other teams :)
[03:44] <n00bo> i don't like that aqualung audio player..any recommendations for another  music player? something capable for listening radio-streams and mp3's without any "media-librarys"?
[07:55] <UndiFineD> \o/ got dropbox working
[07:55] <UndiFineD> installed, but not using nautilus
[07:58] <UndiFineD> now all i need is chromium to sync
[08:00] <hajour> $ chromium-browser
[08:00] <hajour> [18842:18842:21147969110:ERROR:chrome/browser/sync/profile_sync_service.cc(542)] Unrecoverable error detected -- ProfileSyncService unusable.Sync Configuration failed.
[08:00] <hajour> [18842:18842:21147969179:ERROR:chrome/browser/sync/profile_sync_service.cc(546)] chrome/browser/sync/profile_sync_service.cc[937] Observe
[14:44] <hajour> hai all .are you all still alive?:P
[14:45] <hajour> o o wrong chat sorry
[18:19] <bittin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>i need more geeks to chat with :)
[18:20] <hajour> hai bittin
[18:21] <bittin> hi
[18:22] <hajour> how are you bittin ?
[18:23] <bittin> great
[18:23] <hajour> i think a lot are eating now or work
[18:26] <hajour> what would you like to talk about bittin ?:)
[20:18] <haddiman> Does gnome-do work well with Lubuntu or will it need to install a bunch of extra gnome libraries? Is there a similar program that's more lightweight?
[20:19] <bioterror> what does gnome-do do?
[20:19] <Mark76> What does agadoo do do?
[20:19] <bioterror>     A launcher application for gnome (like Launchy or Katapult)
[20:21] <haddiman> Oops sorry, should have specified that. It allows you to quickly start up programs or find files. You hit a keyboard shortcut and start typing and just hit enter when it finds what you're looking for. It's a lot faster than going through menus.
[20:21] <bioterror> alt+f2
[20:22] <Yorvyk> haddiman, look at kupfer
[20:24] <haddiman> bioterror: Haha, very true. I already use that for some things, but I never considered it as an answer to my question. It would be the most lightweight solution but pretty limited in functionality compared to gnome-do.
[20:25] <bioterror> I know my systems, I've never found usage for that kind of application
[20:29] <haddiman> Yorvyk: Kupfer looks nice. Thanks! Some googling tells me that it is indeed more lightweight than Gnome-do. It doesn't need the mono libraries and all that.
[20:30] <Yorvyk> haddiman, It is rather pleasant little program
[20:30] <haddiman> bioterror: To each their own I guess. I just find if useful that instead of opening up PCman or Chromium and manually navigating to what I'm looking for I can just quickly type it and hit enter.
[20:31] <haddiman> There's also a lot plug-ins that you can do all sorts of things with.
[20:33] <Yorvyk> haddiman, kupfer can be a bit fiddly to get things setup how you want but worth the effort I think
[20:34] <sultan2> http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/12/putin-orders-russian-move-to-gnulinux.html
[20:34] <Mark76> Hey sultan2
[20:35] <bioterror> haddiman, install gnome-do and bind it to alt+f2
[20:35] <bioterror> problem solved
[20:35] <sultan2> Hallo Mark76 ;)
[20:39] <haddiman> bioterror: I don't think you understand my question. My concern is that Gnome-do will install Mono and Gnome libraries. I'm looking for something with similar functionality but more lightweight.
[20:40] <Mark76> Have you eaten any more pu...
[20:40] <bioterror> well, you cant have all those neat features without dependencies
[20:40] <Mark76> No, I can't do it
[20:51] <haddiman> To people with Broadcom wireless cards: do you prefer the STA or the B43 drivers? My card supports both and I've gotten conflicting information as to which works better.
[20:54] <bioterror> people seems to use B43 more
[21:17] <UndiFineD> o/
[21:25] <sultan2> \o UndiFineD
[22:48] <foxnesn> how do i create a launcher in Lubuntu? it is not like Ubuntu where you just right click the desktop
[22:48] <foxnesn> guessing it is a LXDE thing
[22:48] <bioterror> what
[22:48] <bioterror> like desktop icon or what
[22:49] <foxnesn> app launcher
[22:49]  * bioterror does not compute
[22:51] <Yorvyk> .desktop file?
[22:51] <bioterror> I was about where to find them, but seems to be something else
[22:51] <bioterror> havent used gnome for a while and even if i have, no idea about app launchers
[22:52] <Mark76> You have to drag a .desktop file from /usr/share/applications to ~/Desktop
[22:58] <foxnesn> hrm
[22:58] <foxnesn> more of an app launcher
[22:59] <foxnesn> i installed an application and now i want to launch it from the menu
[22:59] <foxnesn> in ubuntu you can right click on the desktop and make it and then drag it
[22:59] <foxnesn> but there is no launcher menu item when right clicking in Lubuntu
[22:59] <foxnesn> seems like a weird limitation using LXDE instead of Gnome
[23:01] <bioterror> things are done differentely
[23:01] <bioterror> when you install something using apt-get, it usually goes to menu
[23:01] <foxnesn> yea
[23:01] <foxnesn> not in LXDE all the time which is fine
[23:01] <foxnesn> i just have to manipulate the LXpanel
[23:01] <foxnesn> not a big deal i got it now
[23:02] <foxnesn> thought maybe there was a quicker way
[23:02] <bioterror> good night
[23:06] <sultan2> Good night


[17:20] <_Marcus> Is Ubuntu TV going to be a game system, or something like Google TV?
[17:21] <popey> yes ☺
[17:21] <_Marcus> Yes to what?
[17:21] <popey> ☺
[19:26] <jussi> AWW popey you confuzzled him!


[00:24] <Logan_> Should https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingFlock be deleted?  That browser is no longer in development, and the homepage doesn't have any download links anymore.
[00:26] <MrChrisDruif> Logan_; Maybe a note in the top with this comment?
[00:26] <Logan_> Hmm, I guess that would work.
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> Logan_; There are always unseen links to a page, so don't delete a page suddenly...
[00:27] <Logan_> I don't have deletion rights, of course.
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> Can't explain it properly atm...tired/bit tipsy
[00:27] <Logan_> I would just tag it for deletion. :P
[00:30] <zkriesse> Logan_: Tagging it for deletion would be awesome thanks
[00:31] <Logan_> I don't seem to have consensus for that. :P
[00:31] <Logan_> But you're part of the editing group, so...
[00:33] <Logan_> zkriesse: Done.
[00:33] <zkriesse> Lol
[00:34] <Logan_> :P
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> Tagging for deletion....okay
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> anyone around?
[08:37] <mdke> anyone know how I can test yelp in another language without logging out and back in with the other language?
[08:38] <mdke> in the old days "LANG=it yelp" was good enough but it doesn't seem to work now
[08:39] <mdke> ah, it's "LANGUAGE=it yelp"
[08:39] <mdke> nm
[08:39] <jbicha> mdke: I had trouble with that today too
[08:40] <jbicha> oh, LANGUAGE isn't intuitive
[08:40] <DarkwingDuck> As a KDE user, how is Yelp as a full program?
[08:40] <jbicha> what do you mean, yelp works, right?
[08:40] <mdke> DarkwingDuck: I haven't tried it on kde
[08:41] <DarkwingDuck> We don't use Yelp over on our side.
[08:42] <DarkwingDuck> But, we are having issues with KHelpCenter and are trying to... figure out what to do about it.
[08:43] <DarkwingDuck> And dammit, it wont run without a bunch of extras i dont' want to install... Hmmz.
[08:43] <mdke> I think a lot of stuff has been stripped out of yelp in version 3 and put in a cross desktop compatible backend
[08:44] <mdke> so it wouldn't be too hard to develop a non-gtk frontend, I'll bet
[08:44] <DarkwingDuck> It's  built off of GTK isn't it?
[08:44] <mdke> but shaunm is the guy to talk to
[08:44] <DarkwingDuck> Well, with KDE being Qt and there seems to be a push for Ubuntu to start heading to the Qt toolkit
[08:46] <jbicha> I like how yelp & mallard works for the most part, khelpcenter just seems more out of date
[08:47] <jbicha> but it would take a lot of people to agree to overhaul khelpcenter
[08:47] <DarkwingDuck> We ahve th people and we are going to start doing it.
[08:48] <MrChrisDruif> So yelp is a back end which currently only has a gtk frond end?
[08:48] <MrChrisDruif> Still one package I think, so that would need to be cut loose and a Qt front end attached as well
[08:51] <jbicha> yes, I'm sure shaunm would love to have an alternate viewer for mallard
[08:52] <jbicha> & it's good for everyone to have KDE & GNOME move closer together in this
[08:58] <mdke> MrChrisDruif: there are some things in separate packages, like yelp-xsl for example
[08:58]  * mdke -> work
[14:44] <j1mc> hey all - the docs session went pretty well earlier today. the drupal platform seems pretty neat, and it can do some pretty neat stuff.
[14:44] <j1mc> we had david planella there, as well as a server guy and matthew nuuzum (sp?) from the group at canonical that handles drupal stuff.
[14:45] <j1mc> they asked some good questions, and gave some good feedback.
[14:45] <j1mc> but we need to evaluate this as a team and see if it could work with our requirements and workflow.
[14:46] <j1mc> the server guy was david walker
[15:27] <j1mc> jbicha: howdy
[15:30] <shaunm> MrChrisDruif, DarkwingDuck: I'm totally open to discussing ways more code can be shared. yelp's internals are in a separate library, libyelp, although it's not packages separately yet
[15:31] <shaunm> libyelp is a glib/gtk library though. it's conceivable it could be split into two libraries, a no-toolkit libyelp and a libyelp-gtk
[15:31] <shaunm> then a libyelp-qt could be developed
[15:32] <MrChrisDruif> I think KDE users would appreciate that :)
[15:33] <shaunm> I don't know what kde's stance on glib is though. the thought of writing a C library without glib makes me shudder
[15:34] <j1mc> whois MrChrisDruif
[15:34] <j1mc> hehe
[15:34]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't know that either,,,,, shaunm
[15:34] <j1mc> hi shaunm
[15:34] <j1mc> hi DarkwingDuck
[15:34] <j1mc> and hi MrChrisDruif
[15:34] <MrChrisDruif> j1mc; I'm me :)
[15:34] <j1mc> :)
[15:34] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[15:35] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha DarkwingDuck
[15:35] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[15:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'm getting sleepy LOL
[15:35] <j1mc> DarkwingDuck: there was a Kubuntu docs session, but it was scheduled at the same time as my last docs session, so i missed it.
[15:35] <shaunm> or, you know, maybe it's ok to have separate libraries. we can still share the rendering code in yelp-xsl. there's nothing gnome-specific about that, except that it's hosted on gnome.org
[15:35] <DarkwingDuck> j1mc: it was more internal review and todos for the kubuntu guys
[15:36] <DarkwingDuck> shaunm: I'll bring it up with the Kubunut guys... we are just sick of KDE HElp Center
[15:37] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck: while you're at it: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2010-April/011443.html
[15:38] <shaunm> nixternal and I put that together. it was a shared effort from the outset. but then he kind of disappeared for a while
[15:39] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal is fairly gone these days.
[15:40] <DarkwingDuck> I've taken over for him in Kubuntu... i don't know who is doing KDE upstream stuff these days
[15:40] <DarkwingDuck> shaunm: I remember when this happened... I'll review again.
[15:42] <shaunm> is Cornelius still doing khelpcenter work?
[15:43] <shaunm> KDE has a SoC student doing khelpcenter work this year, right?
[15:43] <shaunm> actually, wasn't he going to UDS. j1mc, weren't you meeting up with him?
[15:44] <DarkwingDuck> shaunm: I know that apachelogger was talking about getting some things.
[15:44] <DarkwingDuck> changed in khelpcenter
[15:46] <j1mc> i have talked with him very briefly, and he attended the docs goals session
[15:46] <j1mc> but we haven't talked extensively, and our sessions overlapped today
[15:48] <shaunm> ok
[15:49] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I've been up all night. I'm crashing
[15:50] <j1mc> i do want to still talk with apachelogger, though.
[15:52] <j1mc> ok, i found him in kubuntu-devel, and we're making arrangements to meet
[15:52] <shaunm> excellent
[15:53] <shaunm> (damn hackfests getting in the way of him coming to open help :P)
[15:55] <j1mc> yeah
[15:55] <j1mc> shaunm: the provonix guy is interested in hosting another openhelp conference in europe. ??
[15:56] <shaunm> he is?
[15:56] <j1mc> yeah
[15:56] <j1mc> would that be cool w/ you?
[15:57] <j1mc> he said he's trying to do a virtual session at your conference, too.
[15:57] <shaunm> yeah, he said something about friday evening, which I suppose is his evening, which is our mid-day
[15:58] <shaunm> the conference isn't even really happening at that point
[15:58] <j1mc> oh, like... it hasn't started yet?
[15:58] <shaunm> and we kind of decided not to do a virtual session with mairin (who I really wanted to have there)
[15:58] <shaunm> there's a reception friday at 7. that's the start of the conference
[15:58] <j1mc> right
[15:59] <shaunm> but the reception is just a reception. there's no projector and screens and seats
[15:59] <j1mc> yeah
[15:59] <j1mc> plus, reception =! conference talk time
[15:59] <shaunm> but look, if he's going to do this presentation friday US-mid-day anyway, and it's going to be streamed, I have no problem mentioning that to the OH attendees in an email
[15:59] <j1mc> well, i'll let you two iron that out.
[16:00] <shaunm> "Getting in early? Go sit in the lounge with your laptop and watch this webcast."
[16:00] <shaunm> I'll email him
[16:00] <j1mc> with mairin ... we were asking her, but here is someone who really wants to do it.
[16:01] <shaunm> I'm kind of concerned about having a second conference though
[16:01] <j1mc> it would be great if we could accommodate him somehow
[16:01] <j1mc> ok
[16:01] <j1mc> what is concerning?
[16:02] <shaunm> not trying to be possessive. it's just that the turnout is lower than I'd hoped, and I think with good hype this year, turnout next year can get up to 50 or so. but if there's a second conference, most people won't do both. so that splits the audience
[16:03] <j1mc> yeah... that's a good point. i can understand that.
[16:04] <shaunm> I would actually love for there to be two well-attended conferences. I just don't think, at this point, that two would be well-attended
[16:05] <j1mc> i need to go to apachelogger's thing, but i'll be back on in a little bit
[16:14] <jbicha> shaunm: are you still here
[16:14] <jbicha> we had a help question in #ubuntu-uds-dery
[16:38] <shaunm> jbicha: sure, what's the question?
[16:38] <jbicha> they were just wondering about http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gGsetttk-devel-list/2011-April/msg00141.html
[16:39] <jbicha> well that link doesn't work
[16:39] <jbicha> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2011-April/msg00141.html
[16:39] <jbicha> I wasn't really following exactly what they were discussing
[16:41] <shaunm> well, it's somewhat technical, has to do with how programmers construct buttons and menus for help
[16:42] <shaunm> right now, when a developer creates a help menu, he populates it statically with some entries. usually "Contents" (ugh) and "About"
[16:43] <shaunm> with the GHelp API, he'd create a help menu, but wouldn't put anything in it. instead, he'd say "the URI for my help is help:gnome-help, and call this menu 'my-main-menu'"
[16:43] <jbicha> and Ubuntu likes to add the launchpad stuff
[16:44] <shaunm> then, in our mallard files, we would tag pages. so for any page we want to show up in that menu, we'd add <facet:tag key="g-help-tag" values="my-main-menu"/>
[16:44] <jbicha> I think part of why they were interested is they would rather push 1 patch to gtk than dozens of patches to different apps
[16:44] <shaunm> when you launch the app, the help document is read (probably from a cache, for performance), and the menus are populated automatically
[16:44] <jbicha> you can talk to them if you like, I'm not really a decisionmaker :-)
[16:45] <shaunm> ah, I see
[16:45] <shaunm> it's conceivable the help menu could also have a way to automatically add something static like that
[16:45] <jbicha> context-sensitive help would be nice but I don't see the context of the Help menu changing that much
[16:46] <jbicha> yeah, they just want to be able to insert the program's name so that users can click a button
[16:46] <jbicha> to report a problem and it automatically starts the report-bug stuff for that app
[16:50] <shaunm> actually, I think there's a lot of potential places to change the tag on the help menu
[16:50] <shaunm> there's also a help button in this API. and that could change for e.g. a button in a tabbed dialog
[16:51] <shaunm> for menus, consider a program like evolution, a shell for like five different programs
[16:52] <shaunm> or a word processor. it could add a tag for table operations if your cursor happens to be in a table, for example
[16:52] <jbicha> oh ok
[16:52] <jbicha> I'm just used to that never changing :_)
[16:52] <jbicha> :-)
[16:52] <shaunm> yeah, I like changing everything
[19:16] <UndiFineD> hey guys, the wiki supports using an alternative editor right ? how about reworking fckeditor to produce mallard ?


[03:14] <Takyoji> Anyone having an issue with the address in Firefox just recently?
[03:14] <Takyoji> address bar*
[03:14] <Takyoji> in Lucid
[03:28] <Takyoji> Whoops, wrong channel
[11:05] <davmor2> morning all
[11:17] <ara> morning davmor2 :)
[11:18] <ara> davmor2, you used to be an earlier bird before... or have you moved to some island in the Atlantic ocean?
[11:19] <davmor2> my gaffa is based in canada and asked if I would work 11:00-20:00 so there was more overlap with him :)
[11:20] <ara> davmor2, ouch!
[11:20] <davmor2> ah it's not a problem.
[11:20] <davmor2> I'm up from 07:00-ish till 00:00
[11:31] <primes2h> ara: Ok, so.
[11:33] <primes2h> I was wondering about where to place Testing report. This https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Notebook/etc. could be a nice place. Waht do you think?
[11:33] <primes2h> s/waht/what
[11:34] <ara> primes2h, I agree
[11:34] <primes2h> ara: I would move this example page http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/TestPortatili/Netbook in there.
[11:35] <ara> primes2h, I would add a /Report subpage
[11:35] <ara> primes2h, and it might be useful to add a CategoryTestReport, so we can have all the different reports in the same place
[11:35] <primes2h> ara: and this would be an example of report. http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/TestPortatili/Netbook/DellMini9PaginaDiProva
[11:35] <ara> primes2h, what do you think?
[11:36] <primes2h> ara: Yes, that's nice.
[11:36] <ara> primes2h, those sample pages look great! congrats!
[11:38] <primes2h> ara: thanks. :-) As you see in the main page, I see this project as opened to anyone would like to contribute, not restricted  to Ubuntu Members etc..
[11:39] <ara> primes2h, I agree
[11:39] <primes2h> ara: Could you have a look at the pages please and tell me about errors, etc.?
[11:39] <ara> primes2h, sure
[11:40] <primes2h> ara: or improvements also ;)
[11:41] <primes2h> ara: now I have to go for the lunch, see you later... :-)
[11:41] <ara> ok, I'll send you an email
[11:42] <primes2h> ara: Thank you very much. Feel free to edit pages as well if you want, ok?
[11:42] <ara> primes2h, OK
[11:43] <primes2h> ara: Btw, in the main pages some link are still wrong.  I have to correct them ;-)
[11:43] <primes2h> ara: bye for now. :-)
[11:43] <ara> primes2h, see you!
[12:38] <ara> hey fagan, how's tricks?
[14:59] <davmor2> Morning fader_
[15:00] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy
[15:00] <davmor2> morning cr3 alexmoldovan
[15:00] <cr3> davmor2: yo mama
[15:14] <alexmoldovan> davmor2: Good Morning
[18:34] <primes2h> ara: I've just replied to your email. Now I must go, I'll be back in 1-2 hours.
[18:35] <primes2h> Bye for now :-)


[03:14] <Omnifrog> yay, fall weather
[03:15] <Unit193> \o/
[03:27] <wrst> Yes!
[03:29] <Unit193> Actually warm today though.
[03:31] <Omnifrog> it was nice today
[03:32] <Omnifrog> it's a shame about the apocalyptic death storms in the night
[03:32] <Unit193> Temp: 67 F (19 C) ~ Clear ~ Humidity: 81% ~ Observed: Mon 13, 22:52
[03:32] <Unit193> Ooltewah, TN: Temp: 73 F (23 C) ~ Overcast ~ Humidity: 73% ~ Observed: Mon 13, 22:53
[03:33] <Omnifrog> yeah, for now
[03:35] <Omnifrog> just wait till the shark tornado obama gay global warming weather distructosystem gets here
[03:35] <Omnifrog> at least that's what I gather from the TV this evening
[03:36] <Omnifrog> the schools are closed, the local news people are hysterical
[03:36] <Omnifrog> me personally... I'm leaving the windows open tonight
[03:37] <Omnifrog> I love hearing thunderstorms in the night
[03:50] <Unit193> Eh, in the night it's not really all that much fun, great in the day though.
[03:50] <Unit193> Good luck with your sharknado though. :P
[03:51] <Omnifrog> oh, the day is awesome as well
[03:51] <Omnifrog> I love a good super cell
[03:51] <Omnifrog> loads of fun stuff to look at
[05:41] <Unit193> Can any of you folks confirm this is in fact a wolf spider?  https://unit193.net/images/Spider/


[02:16] <xubuntu32w> Hi
[02:16] <Unit193> Heya.
[02:16] <xubuntu32w> I am having application crash issues in Xubuntu 18.0.4
[02:17] <xubuntu32w> Can u Help?
[02:17] <Unit193> I mean, not with the provided information.
[02:21] <xubuntu32w> I installed Rhythmbox on this distro version. It get crash whenever I try to search in Soundcloud Plugin in it. Rest player is functioning properly. Also I do get popup message everytime i boot saying there is some problem ans ask me to report. I reported several time but not resolved yet
[02:22] <xubuntu32w> I have also reached Rhythmbox community and provided them stack trace. They analysed it and replied that there is some issues with plugins in distro writtem in python
[02:23] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 seems to have a few.
[02:23] <Unit193> Ah, fun...
[02:27] <xubuntu32w> I found the thread with same issue.. should I share may stack trace??
[02:37] <xubuntu32w> Is this issue not resolved yet?
[02:37] <Unit193> I would suppose not, if you're still running into it.  I haven't used Rhythmbox since Ubuntu 6.04.
[02:38] <kadiro> xubuntu32w> audacious is also good
[02:44] <xubuntu32w> does Audacious support web streaming from soundcloud and other music streaming services?
[02:45] <xubuntu32w>  does Audacious support web streaming from soundcloud and other music streaming services?
[02:46] <kadiro> no idea
[02:49] <xubuntu32w> any other player u suggest for listening web based content?
[02:50] <kadiro> xubuntu32w> may be mpv as a video/audio player
[02:50] <Unit193> clementine: Listen to internet radio from SomaFM, Magnatune, Jamendo, Intergalactic FM, Digitally Imported, JAZZRADIO.com, ROCKRADIO.com, RadioTunes.com, Soundcloud, Icecast and Subsonic servers.
[02:50] <Unit193> !info clementine
[02:51] <xubuntu32w> i tried clementine but it doesnt show soundcloud search
[02:52] <xubuntu32w> is there any issue with plugin?
[03:24] <gambl0re> hello?
[03:24] <gambl0re> anyone use xubuntu and experiencing this?
[03:24] <gambl0re> im using xubuntu, whenever i suspend it never resumes. how can i fix this?
[05:35] <zohaib> UwU
[05:57] <zohaib> bionic beaver
[09:27] <supersoniczeus> hello
[10:53] <xubuntu08w> Hello, there. What is the driver included in Xubuntu 18.04 LTS for AMD GPU?
[10:54] <xubuntu08w> I'm using the Athlon 200GE with the Vega 3 iGPU.
[11:02] <brainwash> xubuntu08w: amdgpu
[11:10] <xubuntu08w> thx
[11:11] <xubuntu08w> And are the differences between it and the PRO variant negligable?
[11:12] <brainwash> in what regard?
[11:12] <brainwash> the performance should be the same I'd think
[11:16] <xubuntu08w> Thanks, a lot!  Bye!
[11:19] <diogenes_> he didn't look too happy.
[16:34] <xubuntu08w> hi, after installing xubuntu on my asus laptop, i find that the volume its too low, how i can reoslve this? thanks
[16:43] <diogenes_> even 150% volume?
[16:44] <xubuntu08w> 150 volume its bad
[17:12] <vp11> genii: just to let you know, this weekend I added the repo you sent me, the "bleeding edge" graphic drivers
[17:13] <vp11> but unfortunately the problem persists. at a random point the amdgpu crashes and it freezes the whole interface
[17:14] <vp11> the system is still alive because sound keeps coming out (e.g. when watching a video) but you can't operate in it anymore. even the keyboard halts (no response from shortcuts and no lights when turning caps lock or num lock on/off)
[17:14] <genii> vp11: I appreciate the update, thanks
[17:15] <vp11> even if I 'chromecast' something to an external TV, when the 'error' occur the TV keeps streaming the audio but the image freezes
[17:16] <vp11> I guess I'll keep this repo, though. maybe a fix will come up someday
[17:17] <genii> vp11: If you enjoy tinkering, may want to experiment with changing the I/O kernel scheduler https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers
[17:18] <genii> It could be there is some issue with the new multiqueue scheduler
[17:19] <vp11> I use this laptop to work so I'm less inclined to start tinkering with it, in the case I do something catastrophic. Damned Lenovo sells the device saying it's compatible with Ubuntu when it really isn't :(
[17:20] <vp11> and I'm admittedly not well versed enough to tinker with I/O schedulers
[17:22] <genii> vp11: Likely Lenovo has only tested with LTS releases which were available at the time the machine was being sold
[17:23] <genii> ..later LTS or interim releases may not have been fully tested
[17:24] <vp11> it says it's "certified" to run Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. I'm running Xubuntu 18.04 LTS. since we've concluded it's a GPU problem then it's unlikely that going to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will fix the issue.
[17:24] <vp11> although I also admit that I didn't try it...
[17:25] <vp11> ThinkPad A485 is quite recent, I think they started selling it not even a year ago
[23:18] <xubuntu88i> Can you remove XFCE on Xubuntu and just use openbox / i3?
[23:19] <xubuntu88i> Lolda
[23:19] <xubuntu88i> Pls
[23:19] <xubuntu88i> Me names helgs


[00:40] <wgrant> mop: You can see the code at https://git.launchpad.net/git-build-recipe. In this case, the code in question is:
[00:40] <wgrant>         dt = dateutil.parser.parse(self.branch.git_output(
[00:40] <wgrant>             "log", "-1", "--date=iso", "--format=format:%cd", self.commit))
[00:40] <wgrant>         return dt.astimezone(datetime.timezone.utc).strftime("%Y%m%d")
[09:52] <cjwatson> caraka: Just the documentation on help.launchpad.net.  What's broken?
[09:52] <cjwatson> pbek: It's a software-center-agent bug.
[09:53] <pbek> cjwatson: ok, thank you
[11:22] <apollo13> would it be possible to fix my launchpad login? error id:  OOPS-b32e2f4e37f854e5a7614319da6b1398
[16:26] <dhill_> have any issues with launchpad? I can't comment / attach files
[22:39] <geekgonecrazy> wgrant: referred to you by kyrofa.  We have a snap trying to build on launchpad snap builders, looks like maybe an issue with npm and the proxy?  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/284002271/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_rocket.chat.develop_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:43] <cjwatson> This is a known issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1588870
[22:43] <cjwatson> smoser thought he'd fixed it but apparently not quite yet
[22:51] <geekgonecrazy> cjwatson: perfect! Just wanted to see if it was a known issue


[16:40] <akgraner> popey, ping
[16:41] <akgraner> how's the migration coming for the fridge files?
[16:48] <akgraner> How is everyone for their sections this week? highvoltage holstein nigelb Pendulum?
[16:48] <holstein> akgraner: i havnet checked in yet
[16:48]  * holstein looking :)
[16:48] <akgraner> I'll pull GCN once all the sections are in place...
[16:49] <akgraner> ok remember the dates of the posted article need to fall between the on or between the dates the newsletter covers
[16:49] <akgraner> holstein, not meant for just you
[16:49] <akgraner> sorry to make it sound that way :-/
[16:50] <holstein> akgraner: no worries :)
[16:50] <holstein> you have those links handy?
[16:50] <holstein> for the Gdoc and the etherpad?
[16:51]  * holstein was thinking about adding them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam
[16:51] <holstein> so i can always find them
[16:51] <holstein> :)
[16:52] <akgraner> not news team they need to be added the Ubuntu Weekly News
[16:52] <akgraner> I'll add them :-)
[16:52] <akgraner> They are in your email as well
[16:52] <akgraner> the reminder one :-)
[16:53] <holstein> hmmm
[16:53] <holstein> i'll check my email
[16:53]  * holstein is on a new install
[16:54] <holstein> and i havnet moved quite all the little stuff i need yet
[17:01] <akgraner> added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[17:01] <akgraner> holstein, no worries :-)
[17:06] <highvoltage> akgraner: I haven't started yet, I'm planning to start tonight (if there's nothing happening) or tomorrow morning. this week has been kind of crazy with haveing to schedule downtime with clients for security kernel updates
[17:07] <highvoltage> akgraner: btw, I'm quite curious about the new fridge site, is there any information available on it somewhere? is there a site that's accessable yet?
[17:07] <akgraner> highvoltage, it's accessable - but not ready for the public yet..
[17:10] <akgraner> highvoltage, see pm
[17:12] <akgraner> I'll probably be pulling some links as I go through things so you all may see some titles and links in your sections on the wiki...please check there as well
[17:16] <highvoltage> akgraner: tx
[19:50] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2010-September/001166.html good for fridge?
[19:51] <pleia2> working on it now..
[19:55] <pleia2> akgraner: or someone, can you review? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2132
[19:56]  * akgraner looks
[19:56] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks for posting that :-)  I was lookign for it but hadn't had a chance to post it :-/
[19:57] <pleia2> sure thing, any problems?
[19:57] <akgraner> not that I see
[19:57] <pleia2> ok cool, posting
[19:57] <akgraner> thanks!
[21:02] <akgraner> I'm outta here for this evening - I'll be back in the morning - gotta go play band mom tonight :-)  Gotta luv HS football games!
[21:04] <Pendulum> akgraner: take it easy on your toe :P


[01:10] <rajee> Hi guys, I have an issue with shell script. It runs as expected when run standalone, but only a part runs via crontab. help?
[01:11] <rajee> Hi guys, I have an issue with shell script. It runs as expected when run standalone, but only a part runs via crontab. help?
[04:55] <guest1438> Does the latest version of Ubuntu 15.04 support nvidia optimus?
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[19:46] <BluesKaj> well, sed'd the sources.list to Wily and changed my hostname, not much in repos yet, but it's a begining :-)
[20:02] <qengho> BluesKaj: In the days before autopkgtest, I'd think you are exceedingly, ahem, "brave".
[20:06] <BluesKaj> qengho, not really, this my test bed HDD , all the important stuff is on another HDD
[20:06] <elfy> you hope ...
[20:06] <elfy> :p
[20:07] <elfy> evening BluesKaj :)
[20:07] <BluesKaj> hey elfy
[20:07] <BluesKaj> it is , not to worry
[20:12] <qengho> Then again, *somebody* has to find all the bugs. We probably owe BluesKaj a beer.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> qengho, no bugs yet ..you can hold off with beer 'till tomorrow, maybe :-)


[00:13] <nikolam> How you suggest I burn .ISO to USB flash drive?
[00:33] <frojnd> Hi there.
[00:34] <frojnd> I don't know how to disable notifications
[00:34] <frojnd> Or at least limit them to like 1second of a time and then make em dissapear
[00:35] <frojnd> I'm running xubuntu 12.4 can someone please point me to right direction so I can resolve this issue?
[00:35] <frojnd> By notifications I mean the one when I change performance of the CPU with jupiter and then I see notification about changed mode
[00:36] <frojnd> any help appriciated
[01:08] <frojnd> Watt :) noone here?
[01:09] <Zelouille> frojnd: Setting manager > Notifications
[01:18] <Zelouille> frojnd: personally, i've replaced the xfce4-notifyd by notify-osd. They fade-out when the cursor is over them.
[01:22] <frojnd> Zelouille: thank you
[01:32] <Zelouille> frojnd: you could probably remove "xfce4-notifyd" in order to disable completely the notifications. But I don't know if it's perfectly clean to do it that way.
[02:42] <timm> can somebody help me reduce my screen brightness
[02:42] <timm> im on an aspire one acer netbook
[02:46] <ToZ> timm, have a look here to see if it helps: http://askubuntu.com/questions/240155/brightness-not-working-acer-aspire-one-756-2623-with-ubuntu-12-4
[02:47] <timm> toz, try it in aminute, thanks.
[02:53] <timm> Toz, invalid command
[02:53] <ToZ> timm, which one?
[02:53] <timm> sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[02:53] <timm> gedit
[02:54] <timm> Toz
[02:55] <ToZ> try gksu leafpad /etc/default/grub
[02:57] <timm> toZ, i got it the command
[02:58] <ToZ> timm, sorry, I don't understand
[03:02] <timm> toZ, its all configured now. Reboot in a second and find out
[03:02] <timm> if it worked
[03:02] <ToZ> timm, okay
[03:06] <timm_> Toz, no go
[03:06] <ToZ> timm, how are you trying to change the brightness?
[03:12] <ToZ> timm_, how are you trying to change the brightness? function keys?
[03:12] <ToZ> timm_, what does the following command return: cat /proc/cmdline
[03:14] <timm_> Toz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1584351/
[03:15] <ToZ> timm_, what video card?
[03:15] <timm_> inagrated graphics
[03:16] <timm_> something by intel
[03:16] <ToZ> timm_, what does this show: ls /sys/class/backlight
[03:17] <timm_> nothing
[03:18] <ToZ> timm_, lspci -v | grep VGA
[03:19] <timm_> permission to start query toZ
[03:19] <ToZ> timm_, ?
[03:20] <timm_> permission to send private message
[03:20] <ToZ> sure
[04:45] <xubuntu527> Anyone know of a good program to put Xubuntu onto a bootable flash drive so I can install to a computer with no optical drive?
[04:48] <Unit193> If you are in Windows, http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[08:20] <nikolam> so, 12.10 won't install on anything less then 4.3GB? It refuses install on eeePC 4G
[08:21] <nikolam> since there is no more alternate text install cd.
[08:21] <nikolam> I tried installing 12.04 before and adding GUI. It did not have desired results on wireless and network I think
[08:35] <torax> nikolam: you can try installing ubuntu minimal
[09:12] <Guido1> Hello, i'm trying to start a playlist in rhythmbox with cron, but i get stuk at the part telling where it is located. it's located in the home directory
[09:25] <nlsthzn> o/ quick question, xfce 4.10 will be backported to xubuntu 12.04 or better to use alternative PPA?
[09:31] <Unit193> nlsthzn: Pretty sure the options are to upgrade dists, or PPA.
[09:35] <nlsthzn> Unit193, don't want to upgrade to 12.10... was thinking on sticking with the lts...
[09:35] <nlsthzn> but there are ppa's so not a biggie
[09:36] <nlsthzn> thanks
[09:37] <Unit193> Sure.
[09:56] <ochosi> nlsthzn: i'm also pretty sure it won't be backported to 12.04, so the ppa is your only option
[10:16] <nlsthzn> thanks ochosi
[11:05] <freedomrun> is gnome-keyring-daemon needed??
[11:09] <TheSheep> yes, otherwise it wouldn't be started
[11:35] <freedomrun> thnx TheSheep
[14:56] <timm> hello, is there a way i can listen to my music through my mic input?
[15:20] <freedomrun> timm, no
[15:20] <timm> hmm well on windows you can listen to your mic input. freedomrun
[15:24] <GridCube> i dont really know if you can easily do that freedomrun, you will probably need to remap your devices or something like that, i would go and ask to a channel like #jack they probably know
[15:26] <freedomrun> most people use output for that timm but if you have some possibility for that kind of swiching in your audio chip an even need to do that detect the hardware and experiment with drivers, and pulse audio or jack .. even I cannot advise you to do that
[15:27] <timm> oh okay. i was hoping for something simple but i guess there isnt
[15:27] <freedomrun> GridCube, got better answer timm :)
[15:27] <timm> linux 100 windows 1
[15:28] <GridCube> oh, well, timm then, :P
[15:28] <timm> oh well
[15:28] <GridCube> timm: you will for sure get better responses on #jack
[15:28] <GridCube> or #alsa
[15:30] <Guest54701> hello
[16:13] <esph> I'm migrating an account from an old laptop to a new one and was wondering what other user/system settings I could move over besides those in the home folder (which is already moved). Any ideas?
[16:22] <ochosi> esph: there some stuff in /etc and some in /usr
[16:22] <ochosi> ofc if you installed stuff in /local then there too
[16:22] <esph> ochosi: any idea what I should look for?
[16:23] <ochosi> icons
[16:23] <ochosi> e.g.
[16:23] <ochosi> or themes
[16:23] <esph> stuff for the settings manager, for instance
[16:23] <ochosi> settings manager?
[16:23] <ochosi> no, i was thinking fstab etc
[16:23] <ochosi> maybe cron-jobs
[16:23] <ochosi> system-wide scripts that you set up
[16:24] <esph> ochosi: this is a family laptop, so it's mostly mundane stuff I'm looking for
[16:24] <ochosi> right
[16:24] <ochosi> then there prolly won't be too much you'll miss in / anyway
[16:25] <esph> I've just noticed that none of the system manager settings seem to have been kept
[16:25] <esph> So either the settings weren't compatible (migrated to newer version of xubuntu) or they aren't kept in /home dirs
[16:29] <ochosi> system manager settinsg? do you remember which one?
[16:29] <ochosi> (settings in general tend to reside in home in either ~/.config or .local or .$appname)
[16:31] <esph> ochosi: things like trackpad, keyboard, and desktop background
[16:31] <esph> although I've just had an idea
[16:32] <esph> I don't think I restarted the WM since I copied the home folder over
[16:34] <esph> ochosi: does the settings manager mess with settings in /etc for things like keyboard and trackpad?
[16:34] <ochosi> nope
[16:35] <esph> ok
[16:35] <ochosi> which versions of xfce were you using
[16:35] <ochosi> cause with xfce4.10 new mouse-settings were introduced
[16:35] <ochosi> so i'm not 100% sure all the old ones were migrated
[16:38] <esph> ochosi: what's an executable I can --version to find out? (the old laptop's screen is broken, so I can't use xfce4-about)
[16:38] <ochosi> e.g. xfce4-settings-manager --version
[16:39] <esph> ochosi: Requires X
[16:39] <ochosi> oh, i thought you had x running but no screen :)
[16:39] <esph> ochosi: I could, but I'd have to set up X11 forwarding
[16:40] <esph> I assume I could find out with apt or synaptic?
[16:40] <ochosi> no need to set up afaik, a simple -X when connecting should suffice
[16:40] <ochosi> yes
[16:40] <ochosi> apt-cache actually
[16:40] <ochosi> apt-cache policy $package
[16:40] <ochosi> e.g. sudo apt-cache policy xfce4
[16:41] <esph> don't need sudo, it seems
[16:41] <ochosi> yeah, you don't :)
[16:41] <ochosi> at least if you don't wanna search
[16:41] <esph> ochosi: <IP_ADDRESS> to 4.10
[16:42] <ochosi> right
[16:42] <ochosi> in that case it's possible that the mouse/pointer settings were lost in the migration process
[16:43] <esph> ok, good to know
[16:47] <esph> after restarting, the keyboard stuff is there, but not the desktop bg for some reason (and yeah, the trackpad didn't change either(
[16:47] <esph> )*
[16:50] <ochosi> maybe the background you set isn't there anymore?
[16:50] <ochosi> better look at ~/.xsession-errors if there's anything
[16:50] <ochosi> esph: anyway, gotta go now, better ask someone else ;)
[16:50] <esph> ochosi: ok, thanks for the help
[16:52] <ochosi> np
[16:52] <ochosi> yw
[18:43] <Os_Maleus1> hi all together! can You tell me, where configurations for the network-manager are possible to find? which files could help me to de-bug my wifi-settings regarding a specific router? which should I work over or delete for that?
[18:54] <Os_Maleus1> baizon, bipolar? could You perhaps help me with that?
[18:55] <xubuntu283> no more buttons on the windows unable to start windows settings
[19:07] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: you could try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[19:10] <Os_Maleus1> recon_lap: I am having here an Ideapad U160 (built in Broadcom adapter). Xubuntu installed over more than 1.5 years ago. everything worked fine until the weekend, when I was taking my Dlink DIR-825 router to the working place. since that, I have no proper access to the router. other machines do not have this problem. no matter which OS.
[19:11] <Os_Maleus1> but to other networks, my netbook is connecting further without any problems.
[19:12] <Os_Maleus1> sometimes, in the list of the used/configured wifi-connections, my old configurations pop up, even I was deleting them earlier.
[19:13] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: interesting ;) you could try follow that guide i linked and ask if you get stuck
[19:19] <Os_Maleus1> recon_lap: if I am not connected to the internet, am not able to send out pings nor see a web-page, why should I check it? the adapter works. there is something about the DHCP-setting. the folder /var/lib/dhcp/ is empty (and if it was not, I have emptied it sometimes, meanwhile.
[19:21] <Os_Maleus1> if I am setting the settings for the connection manually in the way that I am giving manually an IP that is outside of the DHCP-range-reservation, I am having internet-access. but trying it with automatic IP-receiving from the router, it doesn't work out anymore.
[19:22] <Os_Maleus1> switching of the access-filtering via MAC doesn't change anything on this situation.
[19:30] <Os_Maleus1> determinin a specific channel nor changing that one is resulting in a solution for this problem.
[19:42] <Os_Maleus1> I found a sentence that is "If you can connect to the router, but can't get an IP address, it may be because you put the wrong WEP key in." this would describe my situation, if it would be WEP, what I am using. but I am using WPA2 and the passwords are copied&pasted.
[19:43] <holstein> dont use wep... disable encryption to test if you can
[19:43] <holstein> use wpa
[19:44] <holstein> remove what you can from the equations... connect directly to the router with a cable and see that you get an IP address, and connectivity... disable encryption, connect, test.. turn on wpa, connect test... connect to other access points... test
[19:45] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: try from a live CD with the same hardware
[19:45] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: go into the gui for the network manager and blow out the settings for the wifi access points.. the "remembered" ones
[19:46] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: restart the machine... completly shut it down and remove the battery even
[19:46] <Os_Maleus1> cable is no problem
[19:47] <Os_Maleus1> rebooting (either router or the notebook) doesn't bring any changes.
[19:47] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: if you can connect with other machines, you can stop messing with the router
[19:47] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: you can try a live CD on the hardware, and see that it connects
[19:47] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: that will tell you A. the hardware works, and B. its somthing to do with your config in the OS
[19:48] <Os_Maleus1> same condition with live-CD, if I remember right. ... was just trying some hours ago.
[19:48] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: i would confirm.. that is a very important test
[19:48] <Os_Maleus1> to other networks I can connect, too.
[19:49] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: but other machines can connect to that access point, correct?
[19:49] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: and how about with encryption turned off?
[19:50] <Os_Maleus1> I need to check the issue with the encryption.
[19:50] <Os_Maleus1> I can connect with this machine to other networks and other machines can connect to my router.
[19:51] <Os_Maleus1> it effects just the connection between my router and my netbook.
[19:51] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: it?
[19:51] <Os_Maleus1> the issue.
[19:52] <holstein> Os_Maleus1: wep is suspicious,, and you shouldnt be using wep anyway
[19:52] <recon_lap> the issue?
[19:52] <Os_Maleus1> I have WPA2
[19:52] <Os_Maleus1> using WPA2
[19:53] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: if you can see your network but cannot login I'm guessing you got your password wrong
[19:54] <holstein> yeah.. i would just blow those out.. i would turn off encryption temporarly and test
[19:54] <Os_Maleus1> if using the clipboard for setting up the passwords?
[19:54] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: and cut an paste of password does not necessary work
[19:54] <holstein> yeah.. that can be it
[19:54] <Os_Maleus1> jep, I am giving it a trial.
[19:55] <Os_Maleus1> ?
[19:55] <Os_Maleus1> this is now new for me.
[19:55] <holstein> that can be it = using the clipboard can fail
[19:55] <Os_Maleus1> *surprised*
[19:57] <Os_Maleus1> would such depend from the application, I am pasting that in?
[19:57] <Os_Maleus1> I mean editor, browser, GUI-configuration?
[19:59] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: you can paste clear text into a password control , but you cannot cut from a password input. or at least you shouldn't be able to.
[20:01] <Os_Maleus1> no, I did it from the clear text.
[20:04] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: so check by disabling encryption on the router, you can also check the WPA2 setting while your there.
[20:04] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: are you sure you got the right password?
[20:23] <Os_Maleus> indeed. encryption.
[20:23] <Os_Maleus> and now? if I want to apply the WPA-encryption?
[20:24] <Os_Maleus> what could I change to make it work again?
[20:24] <Os_Maleus> You guys mean, it could be an issue of the password. that I was clipboard-ing it?
[20:25] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: Yes, you should be able to see the correct password on the router, check that you using the correct one, and that you connecting to the correct network
[20:34] <daftwilliam> so i'm having a problem, is this the place to bring it up in open chat?
[20:35] <Os_Maleus> holstein, recon_lap: but the passwords seem in each case to fit. there is no mistake in those.
[20:39] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: don't know what else to suggest, double check settings, paste the output of sudo ifup <interface name> , maybe give us some clues.
[20:39] <recon_lap>
[20:45] <Os_Maleus1> Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1
[20:47] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: it the wireless interface you testing "wlan"
[20:47] <Os_Maleus1> yep.
[20:47] <Os_Maleus1> eth1
[20:47] <recon_lap> use ifconfig to see what interfaces you got
[20:47] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: "eth1" is a wired interface
[20:48] <Os_Maleus1> eth1, eth0 and 1o
[20:48] <Os_Maleus1> has always been in my case.
[20:49] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: seems your wireless card is not detected
[20:50] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: sry, just checked and I'm wrong about wlan
[20:53] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: paste the output of nm-tool
[20:59] <Os_Maleus1> http://pastebin.com/cX1fVvWV
[21:00] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: thats connected ?? State: connected (global)
[21:00] <Os_Maleus1> right now it is. otherwise, I would not be able to chat with You.
[21:01] <Os_Maleus1> but it is connected with manual settings.
[21:01] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: so what setting do you change ?
[21:02] <Os_Maleus1> I mean, IP above the DHCP-range of the settings of the router.
[21:02] <Os_Maleus1> but it should connect within the DHCP-range.
[21:03] <Os_Maleus1> so, that I could make a port-forwarding, e.g..
[21:04] <Os_Maleus1> for that, I would need a steady IP. but I can not make it directly from the router. a week ago, before I was taking the router with to my working place, it was working.
[21:05] <Os_Maleus1> and there, I didn't change a thing on the settings of neither the router nor the netbook.
[21:08] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: so using "IPv4 settings -> Automatic" won't connect?  but if you give it an IP it does?
[21:09] <Os_Maleus1> tail -f /var/syslog is showing that the authentication is being finished. only an IP I do not receive.
[21:10] <Os_Maleus1> is a local domain name having to do something with that? but for manual settings, I am not making any kind of notes regarding such either.
[21:11] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus1: and your router is using DHCP ?
[21:14] <Os_Maleus> yes, it does. ... usually. but not at the moment, because, I won't receive an IP. for all other PCs at my home, it works out without any trouble.
[21:17] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: reboot the modem maybe, but I'm out of ideas.
[21:18] <Os_Maleus> sadly no, that doesn't help either. I was even trying to let it unplugged over hours. no chance. :-(
[21:18] <Os_Maleus> but thank You really very much for Your kind help, recon_lap!
[21:35] <crond> Interesting, Media Hint works with Netflix-Desktop
[22:59] <heraclitis> Is this command sufficient to create a backup image of a hard drive? "dd if=/dev/SOURCE of=/dev/Destination.img?
[23:00] <heraclitis> My goal is to experiment all I want, and if I mess something up, I want to be able to burn the image back to the hard drive.
[23:01] <torax> that will make a bit-by-bit copy of the _whole_ hard drive, if you have 1TB drive it will make 1TB file
[23:03] <heraclitis> It's only 80 gb, so I'm not too concerned about size. But I'd be able to burn the image back to the drive? Would I have to format the drive first, then use the command in reverse?
[23:03] <heraclitis> Also, would md5sum give me a reliable indication of integrity?
[23:04] <torax> I use clonezilla to take full disk backups, but i dont see why that would not work also
[23:05] <heraclitis> Cool. Is clonezilla a mozilla product?
[23:05] <torax> nope
[23:06] <torax> http://partedmagic.com i use this, its a "save your system" distro
[23:06] <torax> it also includes clonezilla
[23:08] <recon_lap> It is jokingly said that dd stands for "disk destroyer", "data destroyer", "death and destruction", "damn dangerous", or "delete data", lol
[23:09] <torax> After you type something wrong it is no longer a joke :D
[23:09] <torax> I think clonezilla is safer :P
[23:17] <heraclitis> That's good to know. I will look at it. Parted magic runs well from a thumb drive?
[23:27] <freedomrun> the xfce session is loging-out randomly .. in which log I should look for the reason .. ?
[23:29] <ochosi> freedomrun: you can try ~/.xsession-errors
[23:30] <freedomrun> thnx ochosi :) that is only place I didn`t look at instead it should be the 1st one to look at .. thnx man
[23:30] <ochosi> np
[23:30] <ochosi> depending on the issue (and its debugging features) you might or might not find something there :)
[23:33] <freedomrun> eew alot errors .. which is logical .. I must admit I installed xubuntu over kubuntu now I have to fix things manualy
[23:33] <ochosi> ouch
[23:33] <ochosi> well i guess there's lotsa kde-services...
[23:34] <ochosi> if you haven't spent too much time on it, a clean install might be worth thinking about
[23:35] <freedomrun> nah I did purge them mostly infact all there are just conflicting references like it is visible from .xsession-errors like oxygen-gtk engine reference
[23:35] <ochosi> ah, i see
[23:35] <ochosi> bbiab