[08:06] <Xira> so i need to login to root to remake the file
[08:07] <Xira> i dont know..
[08:07] <Xira> im just so frustrated :(
[08:07] <mebaran151> anyone want to help me make my R800 work
[08:07] <bob2> Xira: reboot, chose rescue mode from the boot menu
[08:07] <mebaran151> it is shiny and now and new
[08:07] <topyli> Xira: you could try in single user mode
[08:07] <bob2> mebaran151: you don't seem to have explained the problem yet
[08:07] <bob2> mebaran151: or told use what you've tried
[08:07] <Xira> I just dont get how my suoder file DISAPERS and my root password STOPS working
[08:08] <bob2> Xira: sounds like something corrupted your disk
[08:08] <bob2> Xira: did you have an unclean shutdown?
[08:08] <Xira> heh
[08:08] <Xira> nope
[08:08] <Xira> happened in realtime
[08:08] <topyli> Xira: so you've enabled root but the password is invalid now?
[08:08] <Xira> I dont know..
[08:08] <Xira> sudo -s was working
[08:09] <topyli> ah, that's just sudo
[08:09] <Xira> until codemac told me to  usermod -G audio nicholas as root
[08:09] <Xira> and then after i tried to sudo after that
[08:09] <Xira> i get
[08:09] <Xira> nicholas is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:09] <bob2> why would codemac tell you to do that?;
[08:09] <Xira> to get xmms to work..
[08:09] <Xira> :[
[08:10] <bob2> that won't help make xmms work
[08:10] <Xira> well i guess i was misinstructed
[08:10] <Xira> anyway afterthat it broke sudo
[08:10] <topyli> Xira: anyway, boot to single user mode and recreate your sudoers file
[08:10] <Xira> how do i boot into single user mode..
[08:10] <Xira> i dont know what that is
[08:11] <lewwy> hey guys
[08:11] <bob2> 16:07:13           bob2 | Xira: reboot, chose rescue mode from the boot menu
[08:11] <Xira> and then login as root?
[08:11] <topyli> Xira: when you boot and grub shows up, press ESC (iirc). there should be a rescue mode in the menu
[08:11] <Xira> even though it isnt accepting my password..
[08:11] <lewwy> whats the command in conjunction with mount to make it so you can eject the CD without unmounting first?
[08:11] <bob2> Xira: no, just do it
[08:11] <bob2> Xira: just do it and see
[08:12] <topyli> Xira: single user mode is always root
[08:12] <bob2> lewwy: is that even possible?
[08:12] <Xira> okay
[08:12] <Xira> ill go try
[08:12] <rdw200169> ubuntu has rescue mode?
[08:12] <Xira> thanks for helping guys :'(
[08:12] <lewwy> according to http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/#ut2k3_install it is
[08:12] <Xira> brb ..
[08:12] <bob2> it just boots into single-user mode
[08:12] <topyli> Xira: do you know what the file should be like? :)
[08:13] <geneo91> lewwy:  there is an update today for that
[08:13] <lewwy> there is?
[08:13] <lewwy> can you please point me where?
[08:13] <geneo91> yup eject
[08:14] <geneo91> its in todays updates
[08:14] <lewwy> thankyou
[08:14] <lewwy> it works like a charm
[08:14] <geneo91> apt-get install eject
[08:15] <mdmcginn> Newbie question here: As a lowly desktop user, if I have Thunderbird and don't run an email server, do I really need postfix? Or will Thunderbird not work without it?
[08:15] <lewwy> no man
[08:15] <lewwy> no go
[08:15] <lewwy> its still mounted
[08:15] <bob2> mdmcginn: thunderbird doesn't need postfix
[08:16] <lewwy> it wont let me unmount it because of its still busy
[08:16] <geneo91> hmm
[08:16] <lewwy> wait
[08:16] <lewwy> i'm getting the updated one now
[08:17] <lewwy> perhaps some way of forcing an ejection
[08:17] <stazich> hey, to install XFCE, i still need some packages which i cannot find in the Synaptic Package manager... is there a way to get it elsewhere? its name is Disk Based Hashtable : DBH 1.0
[08:17] <Dreamer3> my mom has had the worst time with ubuntu and mounting/unmounting floppies... either the fam daemon will hold the disk busy (even when she hasn't done anything with it forever) or it won't mount becaues "file system isn't recognized" although she's just using the same disk over and over with diff contents...
[08:17] <lewwy> dude, my mom cant even use windows
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: honestly, the BEST fix for that is to buy a usb kety
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> key
[08:17] <XIra> okay..
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> and remove the disk drive entirely
[08:18] <XIra> i logged into recovery mode
[08:18] <XIra> changed my root pass
[08:18] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: she had a digital cam that uses a floppy
[08:18] <XIra> copied the sudoers file I got to /ETC/
[08:18] <XIra> and rebooted and logged into nicholas
[08:18] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: not an acceptible answer when the floppy worked FINE 100% of the time in windows :)
[08:18] <XIra> but now when i try to sudo -s
[08:18] <XIra> i get
[08:18] <XIra> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:18] <XIra> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[08:18] <XIra> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 11
[08:18] <mdmcginn> I installed XFCE just by using Synaptic, from universe.
[08:18] <topyli> XIra: can you log in as root?
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: in any case fam is replaced by gamin in hoary
[08:19] <XIra> topyli, uh, what do you mean? i can't sudo.. i got root by going into recovery mode
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: i'm all about telling someone "you've got a crappy winmodem who's manufacturer doesn't support linux" but "your floppy isn't linux compatible" is a bit much :)
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: floppies are ancient technology
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> they're extremely unreliable
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: yes, i know :)
[08:19] <jsgotangco> id rather use flash drives
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: but not for my mom
[08:19] <lewwy> hey whoever recommended eject to me, the update still didnt work
[08:19] <topyli> Xira: but you said you changed the root passwd, so you should be able to use su
[08:19] <lewwy> it says device is busy
[08:19] <saber> Does anyone know of a boot disk / cdrom with BackupPC installed? I just lost my system and I need to restore it
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: if one quits working, she gets another, she paid a LOT for her camera (many moons ago)
[08:19] <Xira> oh
[08:19] <Xira> topyli, yes
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: upgrade to hoary, gamin will fix it
[08:20] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ su
[08:20] <Xira> Password:
[08:20] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas #
[08:20] <topyli> Xira: then edit the file with visudo, not a regular text editor
[08:20] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: i'll try that after hoary comes out if it works aok on my laptop :)
[08:20] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # visudo /etc/sudoers
[08:20] <Xira> usage: visudo [-c]  [-f sudoers]  [-q]  [-s]  [-V]
[08:20] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: thoguh i'm not sure it'll fix the mounting problem, but for not i added vfat as the filesystem type in /etc/fstab, so that seems to fix the broken auto-detection
[08:20] <lewwy> hey guys, is there a possible way to force eject to eject a CD
[08:21] <topyli> Xira: just visudo, no arguments needed
[08:21] <Xira> ok
[08:21] <Dreamer3> lewwy: not if it's still mounted, need to unmount
[08:21] <Xira> im in the config file
[08:21] <Xira> now what?
[08:21] <lewwy> ok Dreamer3, is there some way to force an unmount apart from -f?
[08:21] <lewwy> i am trying to install ut2k3 and it wont let me unmount because the installer is still using the CD
[08:21] <topyli> if it looks good, just save it. visudo makes some sanity checks to make sure the file's syntax is correct
[08:21] <Dreamer3> lewwy: you can't unmount if the installer is still using the CD
[08:22] <Xira> root@evermore:/etc # visudo
[08:22] <Xira> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[08:22] <Xira> What now?
[08:22] <lewwy> Please mount the UT2003 Play Disc CD-Rom
[08:22] <topyli> Xira: so there's the error
[08:22] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i dunno, i don't play games :)
[08:22] <topyli> Xira: what is the line like?
[08:22] <Xira> line 11 ==
[08:22] <Xira>  Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:22] <lewwy> im more installing it so i can test out the games performance
[08:22] <mosh1> anyone have trouble with xemacs on latest hoary??
[08:23] <mosh1> ubuntu:~> xemacs
[08:23] <mosh1> Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[08:23] <mosh1> Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[08:23] <mosh1> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
[08:23] <mosh1> on latest hoary...
[08:23] <stazich> hey, does anyone know where i can read a good manual on using APT - Command??
[08:23] <Xira> man apt
[08:23] <lewwy> SCORE
[08:23] <Dreamer3> Xira: your beat me to it
[08:23] <jsgotangco> man apt
[08:23] <topyli> Xira: hmm. just like mine
[08:23] <Dreamer3> lewwy: ?
[08:23] <lewwy> yeh Dreamer3, i got two cd drives
[08:23] <lewwy> so im tryin it this way
[08:24] <lewwy> wish me luck ey
[08:24] <geneo91> stazich:  man apt
[08:24] <Dreamer3> ah! an auto-sizing top panel will fix that burn-in
[08:24] <Xira> topyli, query ?
[08:24] <mosh1> anyone have trouble with xemacs on hoary?
[08:24] <Drews_Blunted> hey
[08:25] <Drews_Blunted> whatsup everyone
[08:25] <topyli> Xira: i see it
[08:25] <Dreamer3> so, how is hoary today? :) good day to upgrade? :)
[08:25] <Dreamer3> i'm going to re-start -d package downloads again tonight :)
[08:25] <topyli> Xira: btw, don't /msg people without asking permission. i don't mind but many people do
[08:25] <mosh1> i get font issues with xemacs in hoary..
[08:25] <Xira> i know
[08:25] <Xira> i'm sorry
[08:25] <Xira> any idea..?
[08:26] <robitaille> Dreamer3,   just updated my hoary; things work fine
[08:26] <topyli> Xira: dunno, the file is identical to mine
[08:26] <Xira> oh boy..
[08:26] <robitaille> mosh1,   don't use xemacs... vi works fine :)
[08:26] <topyli> Xira: perhaps you should reinstall sudo so you can get sane defaults
[08:26] <mosh1> anyone got any ideas with xemacs?
[08:26] <mosh1> robitaille: ;S
[08:26] <Xira> how do I do that
[08:26] <geneo91> dont use it here
[08:26] <anifinder> Hi guys. I'm having a problem with getting the bcmwl5a ndiswrapper drivers to work with hoary.
[08:27] <topyli> Xira: apt-get install --reinstall sudo IIRC
[08:27] <Xira> hey ani, you're not the only one having problems
[08:27] <anifinder> The drivers will load and ndiswrapper will function, but I'm unable to send/recv network traffic.
[08:27] <topyli> Xira: or something like that. i use wajig which is corrupting my apt knowledge :)
[08:27] <Xira> topyli, ok, i reinstalled sudo
[08:28] <Xira> however..
[08:28] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:28] <Xira> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[08:28] <Xira> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 11
[08:28] <Xira> >_<!
[08:28] <topyli> Xira: grrr... perhaps if you apt-get remove --purge sudo, then reinstall, it will get rid of the faulty configuration
[08:29] <anifinder> I'm using a Broadcom BCM4306.
[08:29] <Xira> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[08:29] <Xira>   gdm* gksu* gnome-app-install* gnome-netstatus-applet* gnome-system-tools*
[08:29] <Xira>   sudo* synaptic* ubuntu-base* ubuntu-desktop* update-manager*
[08:29] <Xira>   update-notifier*
[08:29] <Xira> X.X!
[08:29] <geneo91> glad i dont use sudo
[08:29] <Dreamer3> topyli: it sudo supposed to setup that file? sure it isn't in basefiles or something?
[08:29] <topyli> Xira: oh no. let's not do that :)
[08:29] <Dreamer3> topyli: dpkg -L doesn't show it
[08:30] <Xira> sigh
[08:30] <Xira> ubuntu relies on sudo
[08:30] <topyli> Dreamer3: could well be
[08:30] <Xira> i cant open synaptic because sudo is borked
[08:30] <Dreamer3> Xira: or single-user mode
[08:30] <topyli> Xira: yeah, it needs to be fixed
[08:30] <Xira> so what od I do now topyli ?
[08:30] <topyli> Dreamer3: we've been to single user mode already. now we have root working but sudo is still b0rken
[08:30] <robitaille> Xira:  my line in my sudoers that seem to correspond to your line #11 looks like
[08:30] <robitaille> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets
[08:31] <Xira> sigh
[08:31] <robitaille> not sure why it is different...
[08:31] <Xira> it doesnt make sense
[08:31] <niran> Xira: were you using visudo to edit the file?
[08:31] <Xira> yes
[08:31] <Xira> not orginally
[08:31] <Xira> orginally i just copied the file to /etc/
[08:31] <Xira> as root
[08:31] <geneo91> ira if you have root passwd just do su then passwd
[08:31] <Dreamer3> who doesn't someone just post a sudoers file somewhere for xira?
[08:31] <Drews_Blunted> hye
[08:32] <Xira> the sudoer file now im using was my friends
[08:32] <Xira> because mine vanished
[08:32] <Drews_Blunted> hey is there anyone here who smokes weed and runs linux
[08:32] <topyli> Dreamer3: xira had a working sudoers file but it's not good enough
[08:32] <Dreamer3> Xira: the real problem isn't ubuntu, it's vanishing sudoer files :)
[08:32] <Dreamer3> topyli: ah
[08:32] <Xira> topyli, so what do I do now?
[08:32] <Drews_Blunted> can i get gnome 10 with warty
[08:33] <topyli> Xira: dunno :(
[08:33] <Xira> ._.
[08:33] <Xira> ok..
[08:33] <Dreamer3> Xira: do you have root access to the box now?
[08:33] <Xira> i can su
[08:33] <geneo91> Xira:  can you login as root
[08:33] <Xira> yes
[08:34] <geneo91> ok use that terminal to run apt
[08:34] <Dreamer3> Xira: all you need is
[08:34] <Dreamer3> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:34] <Dreamer3> yourusername    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:34] <geneo91> forget the sudo though
[08:34] <Xira> in my sudoers file?
[08:34] <Dreamer3> Xira: oh, and that defaults line
[08:34] <woodywarty> How do I install the GnuPG plugin for Sylpheed-Claws
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets
[08:35] <topyli> it's hard to forget sudo when everything on ubuntu uses sudo :)
[08:35] <Xira> so uh
[08:35] <Xira> i just su'd
[08:35] <Xira> Dreamer3,
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xira: but if your on as root why not just set a root password and be done with it if that's what you more accustomed to?
[08:35] <Xira> now what?
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xira: just passwd root and set a root password if you can't figure out sudo
[08:35] <Xira> Dreamer3, ubuntu relies on sudo
[08:35] <Xira> I HAVE ROOT
[08:35] <Xira> I CAN SU
[08:36] <Dreamer3> you don't need to yell
[08:36] <unifi> hey does anyone know where the kernel is located?
[08:36] <geneo91> thats all you need then
[08:36] <Xira> er
[08:36] <Xira> caps lock
[08:36] <Xira> sorry
[08:36] <topyli> admit it, you're pissed :)
[08:36] <Xira> wasnt meant as yelling =x
[08:36] <Xira> topyli, i was omre tha pissed earlier.. i just got over it
[08:36] <kkathman> this is very strange...and I may not have hoary down yet...but Im trying to find where opera was installed to get the icons...but when I do a locate *opera*  nothing of the sort comes up, but the application is running fine :)
[08:36] <Xira> im trying to fix it now
[08:37] <synd> kkathman: can you not get the icons online?
[08:37] <woodywarty> How do I install the GnuPG pluging for Sylpheed-Claws ?
[08:37] <synd> kkathman: google is a great tool
[08:37] <geneo91> unhide files in home
[08:37] <Xira> okay
[08:37] <topyli> Xira: it's hard to fix when everything seems to be good
[08:37] <Xira> i guess Dreamer3  is done
[08:37] <kkathman> they are on the system ....or when I loaded it under warty I found them
[08:38] <geneo91> opera should be there with icons
[08:38] <topyli> Xira: i guess it's got something to do with the moon :)
[08:38] <kkathman> geneo91 right
[08:38] <markybob> spell checking isnt working in openoffice.org2 in hoary.  i have myspell-en-us installed.  any idea what could be causing this?
[08:38] <kkathman> synd, when I installed opera under warty, I just did a locate and found the directory
[08:38] <Dreamer3> Xira: http://www.dwgsolutions.com/sudoers - fetch that, that's the extent of my help
[08:39] <Dreamer3> Xira: if you can't put it back together from there, post on the forums
[08:39] <Dreamer3> Xira: of course set the username correctly
[08:39] <unifi> has anyone ever used the spca5xx drivers to install a webcam?
[08:39] <Dreamer3> 9 hours until hoary is downloaded!
[08:40] <Xira> Update
[08:40] <Xira> I took out all the comments and uneccesary spacing
[08:40] <Xira> and now it saved ok
[08:40] <Xira> but when i try to sudo, i still get
[08:40] <nexus-> have anyone got WPA-PSK working?
[08:40] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # visudo
[08:40] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # exit
[08:40] <Xira> exit
[08:40] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:40] <Xira> Password:
[08:40] <Xira> nicholas is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:40] <Dreamer3> Xira: seems like nicholas isn't in the file
[08:40] <topyli> Xira: now that the file is sane, you can use visudo and put nicholas in
[08:41] <Xira> contents of file:
[08:41] <Xira> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:41] <Xira> # User privilege specification
[08:41] <Xira> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:41] <Xira> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:41] <Xira> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:41] <Xira> ok, so i add what to it?
[08:41] <puppet> xira: add for what?
[08:41] <topyli> Xira: nicholas ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:41] <puppet> hmm why?
[08:41] <markybob> or add nicholas to the admin group
[08:41] <puppet> why not just add nicholas to admin group
[08:41] <puppet> alot better :)
[08:41] <topyli> yes
[08:42] <Xira> so it should look like this:
[08:42] <Xira> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:42] <Xira> # User privilege specification
[08:42] <Xira> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:42] <Xira> nicholas ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:42] <Xira> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:42] <Xira> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:42] <Xira> ?
[08:42] <kkathman> I also tried a typical whereis opera and it doesnt return anything
[08:42] <topyli> Xira: that's one way
[08:42] <stazich> i am trying to "make install" a certain package - dbh... it dsays permission is denied... should i be running su make install?
[08:42] <puppet> xira www.pastebin.ca is sweet if youre gone paste more then 3 lines :)
[08:42] <Xira> stazich, always
[08:42] <robitaille> kkathman,  which opera
[08:42] <topyli> Xira: or do as puppet says and add yourself to the admin group
[08:42] <Dreamer3> stazich: yes, you'll need to be root... but you should be using package management...  ot checkinstall or something
[08:43] <puppet> xira: admingroup is really the best way
[08:43] <kkathman> robitaille, Opera 7.54 I just downloaded and installed
[08:43] <Xira> stazich, its always: ./configure , make , su , make install
[08:43] <Xira> puppet, how do I do that?
[08:43] <kkathman> robitaille, I did a simple locate on it...no luck...very weird
[08:43] <robitaille> kkathman,   no, the command "which opera" will tell you where the opera binary is
[08:43] <Xira> LIAK OMGEH
[08:43] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:43] <Xira> root@evermore:~#
[08:43] <Xira> !
[08:43] <kkathman> ohh sorry lol
[08:43] <Xira> it doesnt even ask for a pass
[08:44] <kkathman> robitaille, it comes back with nothing
[08:44] <puppet> xira: jed /etc/group
[08:44] <Dreamer3> Xira: it often remembers
[08:44] <kkathman> this is bizarre :)
[08:44] <markybob> xira because you've already put in the password a thousand times and it saves for the sesson
[08:44] <markybob> xira exit that terminal and try again
[08:44] <Xira> I did
[08:44] <Xira> same
[08:44] <closure> hello
[08:45] <Dreamer3> closure: hey
[08:45] <puppet> it is cached in 10 minutes or so
[08:45] <closure> i am trying to upgrade to the kubuntu desktop
[08:45] <puppet> xira: in the group file there is a line admin:x:???:
[08:45] <Dreamer3> closure: bad idea, gnome is the best ;-)
[08:45] <closure> i am getting an error saying it is unavialabl
[08:45] <closure> e
[08:45] <Dreamer3> closure: warty or hoary?
[08:45] <kkathman> robitaille, so how is it that the application is running just fine, but cant be found :)
[08:45] <puppet> xira: add ,nicholas there
[08:45] <stazich> Xira, i do su stazich, then enter the password... then in Make install still gives me error permission denied... what is wrong?
[08:45] <closure> well
[08:45] <robitaille> kkathman,   try a find command:    find / -name "opera" -print
[08:45] <closure> that's the thing
[08:45] <kkathman> ok
[08:45] <closure> i was on efnet #ubuntu
[08:45] <Xira> stazich, nein, just su
[08:46] <Xira> then enter your root pass
[08:46] <closure> and this guy told me to change a few settings
[08:46] <stazich> it says authentication failure
[08:46] <stazich> +)
[08:46] <closure> of "repositories" to hoary
[08:46] <closure> i don't know how much of hoary i have
[08:46] <Xira> stazich, what distro?
[08:46] <stazich> marty
[08:46] <Dreamer3> closure: did you apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:46] <robitaille> kkathman,  it could take a while and give you a few warnings of directory not accessible.
[08:46] <closure> yeah
[08:46] <Xira> puppet, wherssat?
[08:46] <kkathman> yeah so I noticed
[08:46] <Dreamer3> closure: then you should have hoary, if it completed
[08:46] <puppet> xira: /etc/group
[08:46] <kkathman> I reran under sudo
[08:46] <closure> yeah
[08:46] <closure> it compiled
[08:46] <closure> cool
[08:46] <Dreamer3> closure: if not apt-get dist-upgrade again
[08:47] <stazich> Xira, marty distro
[08:47] <closure> well the desktop background changed
[08:47] <closure> *shrugs*
[08:47] <Dreamer3> closure: not kubuntu i'm not sure... i'm sure there is a how-to sometwhere... prolly a simple apt-get kubuntu-desktop i think
[08:47] <closure> yeah
[08:47] <Dreamer3> closure: you might need a diff repository
[08:47] <closure> i did that
[08:47] <puppet> why do u want kubuntu? ;P
[08:47] <closure> i like kde
[08:47] <Dreamer3> puppet: i know, he's crazy, but i've seen worse
[08:47] <puppet> kde sucks.. :/
[08:48] <mosh1> can someone do me a favor and check to see if xemacs works on latest hoary?   i get some font issues
[08:48] <closure> why so?
[08:48] <puppet> closure: gnome is<PHONE_NUMBER>0 better
[08:48] <closure> everyone says gnome is slower than kde
[08:48] <geneo91> puppet:  you suck not kde
[08:48] <puppet> it aint
[08:48] <closure> hrm
[08:48] <Dreamer3> closure: gnome 2.8 is faster than kde 3.3... i can't speak for 3.4
[08:48] <Dreamer3> closure: and i'm sure gnome 2.10 is faster than 2.8 :)
[08:48] <closure> kde is on 3.4
[08:48] <puppet> kde have always sucked up memory
[08:48] <topyli> closure: see? not everyone says that :)
[08:49] <puppet> geneo91: good argument, NOT
[08:49] <Dreamer3> closure: i switched to kde 3.3 when gnome was at 2.4, but now i'm happily back to gnome and don't miss it
[08:49] <kkathman> robitaille, well this is so weird..it doesnt seem to be here
[08:49] <mosh1> can someone do me a favor and check to see if xemacs works on latest hoary?   i get some font issues
[08:49] <Wildthing> use vim :D
[08:49] <puppet> use jed ;p
[08:49] <puppet> wildthing: ;D
[08:49] <Dreamer3> closure: try it for a week, you may like it
[08:49] <Dreamer3> closure: what hardware?
[08:49] <kkathman> robitaille, but it went through the install and started up, and I used it for a few minutes
[08:49] <geneo91> puppet:  i was just showing you how stuppid that statement you made was
[08:49] <lucivee> closure: what kind of machine have you got?
[08:49] <puppet> geneo91: not really
[08:50] <closure> it's a gateway 450mhz with 128megs ram
[08:50] <robitaille> kkathman,  so can you run it at all now?   ;D
[08:51] <lucivee> closure: still, it's unlikely one will be significantly faster/slower than the other
[08:51] <Dreamer3> puppet: fluxobx ;-)
[08:51] <puppet> ;o)
[08:51] <lucivee> get some more memory tho :)
[08:51] <Dreamer3> closure: yeah, they both will take till the cows come home to load :)
[08:51] <closure> then what is the difference in them then?
[08:51] <puppet> closure: if its a gateway skip X at all remove att X-libs
[08:51] <lucivee> KDE has more options
[08:51] <puppet> closure: all*
[08:51] <lucivee> Gnome is easier to use
[08:51] <closure> that's what i thought
[08:51] <mosh1> can someone do me a favor and check to see if xemacs works on latest hoary?   i get some font issues
[08:51] <Dreamer3> closure: memory would be a great investment... if not, try black/fluxbox, xfce, or a smaller light-weighter distro :)
[08:51] <robitaille> kkathman,   maybe it was installed in the /tmp directory, ran fine once, but ince terminated, deleted all the temporary directory it was using (a wild guess)
[08:51] <puppet> lucivee: haha
[08:52] <closure> ubuntu runs faster than win98se
[08:52] <closure> that's all i care about
[08:52] <puppet> closure: if you really want X run fluxbox/blackbox
[08:52] <Dreamer3> closure: really?
[08:52] <kkathman> robitaille, possible I guess. I have no idea what to do now lol
[08:52] <Xira> puppet, ohhhhhh, no it asks for a pass, I just forgot I had to close the term
[08:52] <Dreamer3> closure: you must have had a crappy 98 install :)
[08:52] <puppet> closure: icewm if u want it to look like windows
[08:52] <closure> oh god yeah
[08:52] <robitaille> kkathman,  use firefox? :)
[08:52] <Zevin> anyone here have wine installed, willing to give a little help?
[08:52] <Dreamer3> closure: i haven't seen a MODERN linux distro yet outperform 95/98 on old hardware :)
[08:52] <kkathman> robitaille,  well I guess, but its so slow
[08:52] <geneo91> closure:  it also runs faster than xp pro
[08:53] <closure> i'd imagine so
[08:53] <robitaille> kkathman,  use elinks?  :)
[08:53] <lucivee> closure: it really comes down to how many bells and wistles you have running
[08:53] <Dreamer3> closure: by that i mean latest gnome, kde, 2.6 kernel, etc... not DSL linux or similar :)
[08:53] <lucivee> if it's just the WM and a panel, then you should do fine
[08:53] <robitaille> kkathman,   elinks is fast...but a bit challenged graphically
[08:53] <Xira> puppet, http://home.comcast.net/~xira/group.txt
[08:53] <Xira> anyway
[08:53] <Xira> all is well now
[08:53] <Xira> O-o
[08:53] <lucivee> if you have 50 applets running as well, then you are going to struggle
[08:53] <closure> the only major difference i'm noticing is firefox has a lot of lag to it
[08:54] <Dreamer3> kakalto: opera?
[08:54] <Dreamer3> kkathman: opera?
[08:54] <Dreamer3> closure: firefox on linux with 128mb is gonna be SLOW
[08:54] <geneo91> closure:  use mozilla its faster
[08:54] <Dreamer3> i've seen my firefox use 250mb when doing stuff
[08:54] <Dreamer3> geneo91: i don't know about taht :)
[08:54] <Dreamer3> geneo91: you mean with pre-load or what
[08:54] <puppet> xira: admin:x:109:nicholas
[08:54] <Xira> puppet, wha? O.o
[08:54] <closure> get-apt install mozilla?
[08:55] <puppet> xira: that line should look like that
[08:55] <puppet> xira: then that user is in admingroup
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: try opera
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: if you want something to open quickly
[08:55] <closure> last time i used opera it didn't support shit for plugins
[08:55] <closure> is that still true?
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: oh, you want plugins
[08:55] <Xira> puppet, everything works tho
[08:55] <Xira> i can sudo
[08:55] <kkathman> robitaille,  well I found a directory under the download one...lots of opera files
[08:55] <puppet> firefox <3
[08:55] <closure> yeah
[08:55] <Xira> so why change it?
[08:55] <puppet> xira: good :)
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: i don't know, i'm a xhtml/css guy
[08:55] <wingsline> bye everyone
[08:55] <kkathman> robitaille,  all protected
[08:56] <Dreamer3> closure: all websites should be accessible... i don't need fancy crap :)
[08:56] <lucivee> o-ububtu-ftpmasters-equivalents, does anyone know why changelogs.ubuntu.com is always so out of date?
[08:56] <Xira> puppet, another question pls?
[08:56] <closure> yah
[08:56] <closure> i don't need it
[08:56] <puppet> xira: sure :)
[08:56] <closure> but i'd like audio video to work
[08:56] <synd> how can i check what video card i have in ubuntu?
[08:56] <Xira> when i did a systemwide apt upgrade for hoary
[08:56] <Xira> my human theme got uglier
[08:56] <saber> Is there much of a performance improvement by having different partitions for / /var... etc?
[08:57] <Xira> and my gnome theme for firefox disapered
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> saber: no
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> not as such
[08:57] <Dreamer3> Xira: *laughs* that's the price of progress :)
[08:57] <kkathman> robitaille,  I think thats the prob...everything is write protected
[08:57] <Dreamer3> Xira: re: the human theme, though you might be able to set it back
[08:57] <closure> ubunutu is moving towards kde is what i see
[08:57] <closure> err what it looks like atleast
[08:57] <Dreamer3> Xira: not sure why your firefox themes should have been affected
[08:57] <Dreamer3> closure: *laughs* what makes you say that?
[08:57] <closure> on the wiki section
[08:57] <robitaille> kkathman,  easy to change:   sudo chown -R user.user  directory, where user is your user name and directory that directory where you found your files
[08:58] <synd> how can i check what video card i have in ubuntu?
[08:58] <Dreamer3> closure: truly, try damn small linux for that processor and see what you think :)
[08:58] <closure> it just looks like they are atleast making a release
[08:58] <Xira> Dreamer3, i think because firefox upgraded
[08:58] <kkathman> robitaille,  thanks I'll try that
[08:58] <Dreamer3> closure: kubuntu is a seperate item (though not a fork)
[08:58] <Dreamer3> Xira: true, but unless firefox itself invalidated yoru theme (it may have) it should still work
[08:58] <Dreamer3> Xira: do you still have bookmarks and such?
[08:58] <puppet> xira: i had same error i remove old .mozilla dire i think
[08:59] <Dreamer3> Xira: if so you just need a new theme version i'd say
[08:59] <closure> seriously man it runs fine for the speed
[08:59] <Xira> i dont like the new human theme titlebar glyphs
[08:59] <Xira> they're like clearlooks
[08:59] <Xira> its icky
[08:59] <robitaille> Xira,   the new human theme uses clearlooks...
[08:59] <Xira> Dreamer3, its a fresh install
[08:59] <Xira> so i never had any to begin with
[08:59] <Dreamer3> closure: ok :) i've put ubuntu on two older computers and been VERY displeased... though my p3-900 laptop is quite spiffy
[08:59] <Xira> :P
[08:59] <andrew_nz> heya, im having problems with my cdrom, i/o errors, anyone got any ideas?
[08:59] <Xira> robitaille, figures
[08:59] <Dreamer3> Xira: ah
[08:59] <Xira> what happened to the old one?
[09:00] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: bad CD, dirty, hardware?
[09:00] <closure> you're saying it had issues on a 900?
[09:00] <synd> Dreamer3: i got warty on a P3 600, 128 MB laptop and it runs great
[09:00] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: naw, it worked perfectly on debian
[09:00] <Dreamer3> closure: no... it's comfortable on my p3-900...
[09:00] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: kernel?
[09:00] <closure> what do you do that's so intense?
[09:00] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: i can rip audio tracks and stuff fine, can mount cds and see their directoryies, but cant read the files or burn cds
[09:00] <closure> i mean this really is fast enough
[09:00] <Dreamer3> closure: nothing that's intense, but i like things to open when i click them :)
[09:01] <Dreamer3> closure: i think i tried it on a celeron 300 w/180mb and it was a drag
[09:01] <closure> oh i'm use to shit taking a second to load on this thing
[09:01] <Dreamer3> closure: not what i'd consider usable in my day to day work :)
[09:01] <andrew_nz> Dreamer: 2.6.8
[09:01] <closure> i just use it for web chat and media
[09:01] <p|> 'ndi
[09:02] <closure> i'm trying to learn how to upgrade some things
[09:02] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: that's my last guess, hoary has a newer kernel, so does warty backports
[09:02] <synd> if you all didnt use Ubuntu, whatd you use?
[09:02] <synd> what would*
[09:02] <closure> like the media players that came with this things suck
[09:02] <Xira> what happened to the old clearlooks?
[09:02] <Dreamer3> synd: gentoo (once open a time), debian sarge, or dsl (really old stuff)
[09:02] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: it was strange, the isntaller could read the cd fine, but when i tried to use the packages from the cd later it couldnt read it properly
[09:03] <closure> Dreamer3,  is that a distro release title? (once open a time)
[09:03] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: no idea
[09:03] <synd> Dreamer3: i hear about gentoo a lot.. is it similar to ubuntu?
[09:03] <Dreamer3> closure: no
[09:03] <Dreamer3> synd: no
[09:03] <Zevin> wtf, why is it so fucking hard to install winetools?
[09:03] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: k, thanks anyhow
[09:03] <Dreamer3> Zevin: *laughs*
[09:03] <closure> andrew_nz, i've had that problem with old slackware cds but i was installing from boot floppies
[09:03] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: recent hardware error? :)
[09:04] <Xira> Dreamer3, Another question... on the ubuntu desktops thread I see people have all these offical ubuntu wallpapers
[09:04] <closure> and a cd
[09:04] <Xira> where do I get them?
[09:04] <Zevin> it wants xdialog, that wants libglib, that wants something else
[09:04] <Dreamer3> Xira: apt-cache search calendar
[09:04] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: im sorry you've lost me lol
[09:04] <Zevin> i've been downloading packages for an hour, and still can't get them all
[09:04] <geneo91> Zevin:  you dont have all the repositories enabled
[09:05] <Dreamer3> damn small linux everything seems to be built against gtk-1.2, i guess for size
[09:05] <Xira> Dreamer3, HUH? O.o
[09:05] <Dreamer3> Zevin: apt-get install winetools?
[09:05] <Dreamer3> Xira: `apt-cache search calendar` just what i said
[09:05] <kkathman> robitaille, that seemed to locate everything.  but now I want to put that on the desktop in Gnome...dont I just use a launcher...right clicking the desktop to do that?
[09:05] <Zevin> geneo91: ok,what repositories do i need?
[09:05] <Xira> flood of text
[09:05] <Xira> OW
[09:05] <andrew_nz> heya, anyone got any ideas bout cdrom reading errors?
[09:05] <andrew_nz> andrew@ubuntu:/cdrom/resources $ cp dayoffire_dayoffire_epk.mov /home/andrew/
[09:05] <Dreamer3> Xira: something calendar i thought
[09:05] <andrew_nz> cp: reading `dayoffire_dayoffire_epk.mov': Input/output error
[09:05] <Zevin> apt-get install winetools, what does that mean?
[09:06] <Zevin> lol
[09:06] <geneo91> go in synaptic and check all the boxes
[09:06] <Dreamer3> Xira: it should be on that list :)
[09:06] <Zevin> god i feel dumb
[09:06] <Xira> er, what should?
[09:06] <Zevin> all?
[09:06] <Dreamer3> Xira: try apt-cache search december
[09:06] <robitaille> kkathman,  yes, that should let you create a launcher.
[09:06] <Dreamer3> Zevin: try it
[09:06] <kkathman> robitaille,  Well I filled all that out, but nothing appeared on the desktop?
[09:07] <Zevin> ok, i'll checkthem all
[09:07] <Xira> Dreamer3, where do the walls install to?
[09:07] <Dreamer3> Zevin: ok, there is only a wine-utils in the repositories... not sure how that compares to winetools
[09:07] <Dreamer3> Xira: /usr/share... somewhere i bet
[09:07] <Dreamer3> Xira: dpkg -L package-name will show you
[09:07] <closure> hrm
[09:07] <robitaille> kkathman,   maybe that doesn't work in Ubuntu.  Usually I had my launchers to the top panel.  On the top panel, right click, select "add to panel", then "add custom laucher"
[09:08] <kkathman> ok
[09:08] <closure> is the "graphical greeter" a part of gnome? where would i look for other themes?
[09:08] <Dreamer3> closure: google "gnome artwork"
[09:09] <puppet> closure: its a setitng
[09:09] <Zevin> i give up
[09:09] <Zevin> i tried the mark all button
[09:09] <Zevin> and it did nothing
[09:09] <geneo91> oh thats not it
[09:09] <Zevin> oh well
[09:09] <Xira> Dreamer3, that installed 1 wallpaper,w here do I get the rest? =o
[09:09] <closure> puppet,  what do you mean?
[09:09] <puppet> closure: the graphical greeter
[09:10] <closure> yes but where do i look for new art for it
[09:10] <Dreamer3> Xira: month by month, or figure out that long list you got earlier, there is a meta package that downloads a new one every month
[09:10] <Zevin> i was hind, but ig uess notgonna put my games on linux and leave xp toatallt be
[09:10] <geneo91> above that in menu theres a drop down menu to repositories
[09:10] <Dreamer3> Xira: i found them very distasteful
[09:10] <puppet> closure: themes.freshmeat.net
[09:10] <Xira> i dont think so
[09:11] <kkathman> robitaille,  Thank worked, and I was able to drag it to the desktop also
[09:12] <woodywarty> Where can I find GnuPG plugin source code for Sylpheed-Claws ?
[09:13] <Zevin> ok, winetools, wants xdialog, which wants libglib1.2, but i have libglib2.0 installed, and 1.2 is not an option. any ideas?
[09:13] <geneo91> try sf net
[09:14] <kkathman> robitaille, Except now the app wont start LOL
[09:14] <Xira> Wow
[09:14] <Xira> I'd like to thank
[09:14] <Xira> Dreamer3
[09:14] <Xira> puppet,
[09:14] <Dreamer3> $ apt-cache search glib1
[09:14] <Dreamer3> libglib1.2 - The GLib library of C routines
[09:14] <Dreamer3> Zevin: what are you using?
[09:14] <Xira> toffy,
[09:14] <Xira> thank you all
[09:14] <Dreamer3> Xira: ?
[09:14] <Xira> for the help
[09:14] <Xira> Now it's time to try to get XMMS to work
[09:14] <Dreamer3> Xira: no prob
[09:15] <Dreamer3> Xira: that shouldn't be hard
[09:15] <julo> hi
[09:15] <Zevin> synaptic says i have libglib2.0 installed
[09:15] <Xira> Dreamer3, whenever I play a song
[09:15] <Xira> It locks up
[09:15] <Dreamer3> Xira: what does?
[09:15] <roo_> Xira, what output plugin are u using for xmms?
[09:15] <geneo91> Xira:  maybe open it in terminal and see what it says
[09:16] <topyli> Xira: just fix it differently than last time :)
[09:16] <julo> I have a problem with my cursor theme: if i choose "human" using gcursor, I get a great cursor theme for my user. But How can I change the cursor theme used in GDM too ?
[09:16] <roo_> Xira, open xmms, and goto preferences.
[09:16] <Dreamer3> Zevin: is there no repository for this program you want?
[09:16] <Dreamer3> Zevin: that's what i used the command line tools, easier : )
[09:16] <Dreamer3> Zevin: apt-get install libglib-1.2
[09:17] <Dreamer3> Zevin: though if you're building you'll probably need the -dev packages as well
[09:17] <closure> puppet i don't see a gnome tab
[09:17] <closure> is gnome the same as GTK?
[09:17] <Xira> This is weird
[09:17] <puppet> closure: search for gdm
[09:17] <Xira> roo_, xmms isnt launching under my regular user
[09:17] <Xira> but launches under root
[09:17] <kzm> closure: no - GTK is the Gimp Toolkit, which is used by Gnome
[09:17] <roo_> Xira, o_O
[09:17] <kzm> closure: (Or at least, that's how it was when I last looked - some years ago)
[09:18] <Xira> any idea?
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, using Warty or Hoary?
[09:18] <Xira> hoary
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, usng gnome?
[09:18] <Xira> yep
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, open up a terminal. should give you xira@localhost or something
[09:18] <Dreamer3> Xira: weird
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, right?
[09:19] <Xira> roo_, yes, nicholas@evermore
[09:19] <Dreamer3> Xira: you're prolly logged in as root
[09:19] <kzm> anybody upgraded from warty to the hoary prerelease?
[09:19] <roo_> Xira, ok type "xmms"
[09:19] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[09:19] <Xira> negative
[09:19] <Dreamer3> weird
[09:19] <kzm> Any bad experiences?
[09:19] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$ xmms
[09:19] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$
[09:19] <Dreamer3> kzm: i'm working on it
[09:19] <closure> ;p;
[09:19] <closure> err lol
[09:19] <closure> harry potter is the very first
[09:19] <Dreamer3> Xira: how do you know it's running as root?
[09:19] <roo_> Xira, you dont need to be in ~/.xmms to run it.
[09:19] <kzm> dreamer3, hmm...so does that mean I should wait? :-)
[09:19] <Xira> Dreamer3, because it runs when i sudo and run it
[09:20] <kzm> (i.e. any particular problems?)
[09:20] <Xira> roo_, i'm aware i was checking the config file
[09:20] <Dreamer3> kzm: *shrugs*  someone earlier said it worked fine
[09:20] <closure> so these login screens are called GDM?
[09:20] <roo_> Xira, what happens if you run as user?
[09:20] <closure> or when i install this will my desktop look different as well?
[09:20] <Dreamer3> closure: yes
[09:20] <Xira> roo, my paste
[09:20] <kzm> Yeah, "somebody" said that a couple of months ago, but it broke a lot of stuff, so I downgraded again.
[09:20] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$ xmms
[09:20] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$
[09:20] <desrt> quoth the raven, n
[09:20] <Dreamer3> Zevin: ?
[09:20] <closure> Dreamer3,  my desktop will look different?
[09:20] <Zevin> what?
[09:21] <Dreamer3> Zevin: did youw ant to ask in channel, i suually don't do pm
[09:21] <Zevin> i put in the apt-get
[09:21] <hayden> what u guys trying to do
[09:21] <Dreamer3> Zevin: in channel the posibility of helping others always exists
[09:21] <Dreamer3> hayden: nothing :)
[09:21] <Zevin> and it gave me a bunch of garbage that means "screw you" in linux talk
[09:21] <Flonne> xmms isn't already running, is it, Xira? (pidof xmms)
[09:21] <hayden> ok
[09:21] <Dreamer3> hayden: *hides the kubuntu CD he was about to microwave behind his back*
[09:21] <Zevin> lol
[09:21] <roo_> Xira, have you tried "killall xmms"
[09:21] <Zevin> linux hates me
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Zevin: well, what was it?
[09:22] <Zevin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:22] <Zevin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:22] <Xira> that was it
[09:22] <Xira> ok
[09:22] <Xira> It runs under my user
[09:22] <Xira> but sound doesnt work
[09:22] <roo_> Xira, ok goto Preferences in xmms
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Zevin: you can't have any other programs open that use the packages database...
[09:22] <Flonne> Is [K|S] ynaptic open, Zevin?
[09:22] <Xira> k
[09:22] <Xira> now?
[09:22] <hayden> Dreamer3: lol
[09:22] <roo_> Xira, what does output plugin say?
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Zevin: ie, you should close your synaptic... and you'll have to run that as root... so sudo it
[09:22] <hayden> Dreamer3: its not that bad is it
[09:22] <Xira> OSS DRiver 1.2.10
[09:23] <Xira> libOSS.So
[09:23] <roo_> Xira, change to alsa and try that.
[09:23] <Zevin> ahh, ok, closing synaptic, and am logged in as root, lets try it again
[09:23] <Dreamer3> hayden: oh i dunno, i'm just a gnome die-hard :)
[09:23] <hayden> Dreamer3: yea
[09:24] <Zevin> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:24] <Zevin> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:24] <Zevin> E: Couldn't find package libglib-1.2
[09:24] <Xira> ok, roo_ now when it ry to play a song it says please check that your sound card is configed properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is blocking hte soundcard
[09:24] <roo_> Xira, does sound work in anything else?
[09:24] <Xira> yes
[09:24] <Xira> everything else
[09:24] <Xira> `-`
[09:24] <synd> Zevin: do you have all your repositories?
[09:24] <Zevin>  xdialog: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[09:24] <Zevin>            Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[09:24] <Zevin> E: Broken packages
[09:24] <Zevin> i don't know.
[09:25] <Dreamer3> Zevin: no, you don't... have you uncommented our universe?
[09:25] <roo_> Xira, ok thats a good thing. Try "eSound" output driver for xmms.
[09:25] <Dreamer3> Zevin: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:25] <Xira> YAY
[09:25] <Xira> that works
[09:25] <roo_> Xira, :)
[09:25] <Xira> :D
[09:25] <Xira> Now Ubuntu is working fine
[09:25] <Xira> EVERYTHING works
[09:25] <Xira> ^_^
[09:25] <roo_> :D
[09:25] <Dreamer3> Xira: hehehe, give it a few minutes
[09:25] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[09:25] <Xira> SHush!
[09:25] <Xira> :P
[09:26] <roo_> Xira, killall is useful, remember that one. killall <processname>
[09:26] <Dreamer3> Xira: you on warty or hoary?
[09:26] <geneo91> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <Zevin> sources.list gives me # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:26] <Zevin> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:26] <synd> should I get the security repositories?
[09:26] <Xira> Dreamer3, hoary
[09:26] <Dreamer3> Xira: you like?
[09:26] <Xira> yes
[09:26] <Xira> its sexy
[09:26] <hayden> lol
[09:26] <Xira> default gnome setup is so much better than fc3
[09:26] <Xira> brown is the new blue baby
[09:26] <Dreamer3> Zevin: uncomment those
[09:27] <Flonne> Brown is better than blue.
[09:27] <Zevin> hmm?
[09:27] <Xira> I like the human theme
[09:27] <Xira> Well
[09:27] <Xira> I liked the one before I updated better
[09:27] <roo_> any fvwm users here btw?
[09:27] <Flonne> I'm an fvwm user, but I've yet to set it up under Ubuntu.
[09:28] <Dreamer3> Xira: what is clearlooks?
[09:28] <Dreamer3> screenshot anyone?
[09:28] <Zevin> synaptic says 13680 packages listed, 880 installed
[09:28] <synd> Dreamer3: google 'tubgirl'
[09:28] <Xira> Dreamer3, its a Gnome theme the latest Human theme is based on
[09:29] <nexus-> anyone can help out with WPA-PSK? :\
[09:29] <synd> Dreamer3: im kidding
[09:29] <roo_> Flonne, cool :) got a screenie of ur setup?
[09:29] <Dreamer3> subterrific: oh
[09:29] <Dreamer3> synd: oh
[09:29] <Xira> anyone know a xmms theme that matches the human theme?
[09:29] <Dreamer3> Xira: ah... so i should type in cleanlooks :)
[09:29] <Dreamer3> *clearlook
[09:29] <closure> where are the themes that are already on gnome stored?
[09:30] <Dreamer3> is clearlooks the gnome 2.10 default or something?
[09:30] <Flonne> Only if you dont mind it having Openbox elements and a Gnome panel...
[09:30] <Flonne> I wasn't satisfied with just one environment. :)
[09:30] <roo_> Flonne, who is? :)
[09:31] <geneo91> try rox
[09:31] <Xira> Anyone know any other good Ubuntu branded wallpapers?
[09:31] <Flonne> Windows users, but only 'cause they don't know any better.
[09:32] <geneo91> who uses such silly things as wallpaper
[09:32] <Dreamer3> oh wow, i think i like clear looks :)
 who uses such silly things as wallpaper
[09:33] <closure> are you serious?
[09:33] <geneo91> yes i am
[09:34] <geneo91> it doesn't add to preformance
[09:34] <Zevin> yay
[09:34] <speedy2782> what is a very...very user friendly...like a doorknob and myself have roughly the same computer skills... to make webpages
[09:34] <Xira> Dreamer3, have you done an entire system update lately?
[09:34] <Zevin> i think i got it
[09:34] <Xira> if so, human should've already updated to clearlooks
[09:34] <mebaran151> I chose the gimp print driver for my R800 epson
[09:35] <mebaran151> but all it does is feed the paper through
[09:35] <Zevin> my repositories where pointing to the cd, not the web
[09:35] <Borg^Queen> Hello people
[09:35] <speedy2782> hello
[09:35] <mebaran151> any ideas what is going wrong
[09:35] <closure> geneo91, i like having a slick looking desktop
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Xira: no, i run warty
[09:35] <closure> it enhances my computing experience
[09:35] <speedy2782> what theme are you using?
[09:35] <roo_> My latest FVWM screenshot: http://migrantroo.com/roo-fvwm-latest.png
[09:35] <Xira> oic
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> I'm in a "quest" as one person put it for a distro.
[09:36] <Xira> What's the command to install all the Kubuntu components on Ubuntu again?
[09:36] <Xira> its an apt-get install
[09:36] <Xira> forget the package name
[09:36] <lewwy> hey guys
[09:36] <Xira> hi!
[09:36] <Flonne> It's on the Kubuntu documentation page.
[09:36] <lewwy> can someone please send me their libXrender.so file?
[09:36] <scizzo> geneo91: its good that everyone is different
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> Now thing is going to sound really stupid but I want a distro not only with stability but with a good heart. Does that make any sense?
[09:36] <Dreamer3> Xira: kubuntu-desktop, but don't do it ;-)
[09:36] <lewwy> preferably someone that has wine up and running on their computer
[09:36] <Xira> Dreamer3, why not?
[09:36] <roo_> hey lewwy
[09:36] <Xira> Dreamer3, I haven't used KDE in a year
[09:36] <speedy2782> what is a good web browser
[09:37] <scizzo> geneo91:  maybe you don't like icons either?
[09:37] <roo_> speedy2782, mozilla-firefox
[09:37] <geneo91> nope
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Borg^Queen: well, since this is the #unbuntu channel... i'd suggest... um... let me think... lets see... Fedora? *laughs*
[09:37] <Flonne> elinks.
[09:37] <speedy2782> by web browser...I meant webpage developer
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: firefox
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: opera
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: mozilla
[09:37] <scizzo> geneo91: using TWM?
[09:37] <lucivee> speedy2782: epiphany
[09:37] <Xira> Dreamer3, why not install kubuntu-desktop?
[09:37] <closure> how do i change to xmss?
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: dillo ;-)
[09:37] <Borg^Queen> Dreamer3: pardon?
[09:37] <roo_> speedy2782, gvim ;)
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Xira: just cause it's KDE ;-)
[09:37] <geneo91> nope kde
[09:37] <lucivee> speedy2782: emacs
[09:37] <Xira> lmao
[09:37] <lewwy> wine fails on my computer with the error that client side web browsing because of a buggy libXrender.so.  So im asking could someone please send me their libXrender.so file, preferably someone that has wine installed
[09:37] <Xira> 310mb for kubuntu-desktop
[09:38] <Xira> bah
[09:38] <Xira> maybe later
[09:38] <speedy2782> SO, are all of those real programs? :-P
[09:38] <Flonne> You use KDE and you don't use wallpapers?
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Borg^Queen: distros don't have hearts or souls regardless of their cool african names, sorry
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Solatis: yeah
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> And apparently niether do you.
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> I was speaking of its community.
[09:38] <geneo91> i sure dont
[09:38] <Dreamer3> whatever happened to... used to be the gnome default browser...?
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> Nautilus
[09:38] <niran> galeon
[09:38] <borgista> Epiphany?
[09:38] <lewwy> so anybody can help me?
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Borg^Queen: *laughs* unbuntu and gentoo communities are great :)
[09:39] <Borg^Queen> lewwy: what is it?
[09:39] <Dreamer3> *ubuntu
[09:39] <lewwy> look up ^^
[09:39] <lewwy> lewwy: wine fails on my computer with the error that client side web browsing because of a buggy libXrender.so.  So im asking could someone please send me their libXrender.so file, preferably someone that has wine installed
[09:39] <Xira> So
[09:39] <scizzo> Dreamer3: the best browser today is actually firefox
[09:39] <Dreamer3> i mean web browser... before epiphany took oever, whatever happened to it
[09:39] <speedy2782> what is a good webpage builder?
[09:39] <niran> it's still in universe
[09:39] <niran> galeon
[09:39] <scizzo> Dreamer3: it changed name to epiphany
[09:39] <Xira> I just migrated from Fedora Core 3 guys, now a full fledged member of the Ubuntu community
[09:39] <Flonne> That dpends on what you need from it, speedy2782.
[09:39] <roo_> speedy2782, are u looking for something like dreamweaver? if so, try nvu.
[09:39] <lewwy> Dreamer3: can you help me?
[09:39] <Xira> what are some cool things of ubuntu vs fedora core 3?
[09:39] <niran> scizzo: it didn't change names, the project forked
[09:39] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: gedit, scite, vim :)
[09:40] <scizzo> Dreamer3: they put galeon down and started to code on the new project epiphany
[09:40] <Dreamer3> lewwy: with?
[09:40] <lucivee> borgista: yeah, it wrocks
[09:40] <lewwy> with my wine problem
[09:40] <Dreamer3> scizzo: epiphany is not galeon :)
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> Xira: What are they?
[09:40] <lewwy> lewwy: wine fails on my computer with the error that client side web browsing because of a buggy libXrender.so.  So im asking could someone please send me their libXrender.so file, preferably someone that has wine installed
[09:40] <speedy2782> Rooooooo_ is nvu hard to use
[09:40] <Xira> Borg^Queen, ?
[09:40] <Flonne> I'm partial to Bluefish.
[09:40] <Flonne> No, Nvu is not hard to use.
[09:40] <roo_> speedy2782, no. but its not in ubuntu repos, ive just check :/
[09:40] <Flonne> There's an entry for it in the Wiki, roo_.
[09:40] <Dreamer3> lewwy: interesting, we'd have the same library you would, how would that help?
[09:40] <lewwy> well...
[09:40] <lewwy> do you have wine setup and working?
[09:41] <speedy2782> roooooooooooooooooooooooooo_ what do i have to do to get it
[09:41] <scizzo> Dreamer3: true...
[09:41] <lucivee> n4cht: been to the crown lately?
[09:41] <Xira> Wow
[09:41] <Xira> apt-get is so much faster than yu
[09:41] <scizzo> Dreamer3: well not interested in epiphany or galeon...just firefox
[09:41] <Xira> yum
[09:41] <n4cht> crown?
[09:41] <Xira> :)
[09:41] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no, i don't use wine :)
[09:41] <lewwy> does anyone here have wine setup and working?
[09:41] <scizzo> :)
[09:41] <speedy2782> I am looking for something that is like frontpage...easy to build a webpage for someone who has no html experience
[09:41] <lucivee> n4cht: ... and anchor? Or have I got you mixed up with someone else
[09:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3: can you suggest where to download that so file from? I dont have CVS or anything like that
[09:42] <Burgundavia> speedy2782: nvu
[09:42] <Zevin> dreaner3 and geneo91, thanks for your help!!!!!!!
[09:42] <andrew> hey all
[09:42] <n4cht> lucivee, i do believe you've confused me with someone else.  ;)
[09:42] <speedy2782> how do you find nvu, and then install it
[09:42] <Zevin> *dreamer3
[09:42] <andrew> how do i get avis to play?
[09:42] <lucivee> n4cht: heh, NP
[09:42] <speedy2782> I think you need totem to play
[09:42] <scizzo> geneo91: try vTWM out if you don't like graphics... :)
[09:42] <Dreamer3> i gnome-look down?  i want this clearlooks stuff now!
[09:42] <speedy2782> .avi
[09:43] <Dreamer3> lewwy: it's part of your system, you don't just get a new one
[09:43] <lewwy> Dreamer3: do you know somewhere i can get a updated version of libXrender.so?
[09:43] <lewwy> but...someone did
[09:43] <geneo91> ahh i like fluxbox
[09:43] <andrew> totem gives me an error
[09:43] <mebaran151> Anyone here running an Epson printer
[09:43] <speedy2782> mplayer
[09:43] <mebaran151> mplayer rocks
[09:43] <andrew> can i apt-get it
[09:43] <andrew> ?
[09:43] <speedy2782> did you install all of the codexs into totem?
[09:43] <stu> in fstab, can I specify that the mount should be accessible and writable by anyone - file system is ext2
[09:43] <borgista> yes you can
[09:43] <andrew> not sure...
[09:43] <scizzo> andrew: what kind of error?
[09:44] <borgista> It just might not be installed
[09:44] <Dreamer3> darn
[09:44] <scizzo> andrew: what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:44] <Dreamer3> no clearlooks with warty, at least not unless i get it elsewhere
[09:44] <lewwy> Dreamer3: do you want to suggest a way i can possibly fix this error?
[09:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no idea
[09:44] <Flonne> user,umask=000,rw (some of those may be redundant), stu.
[09:44] <andrew> failed to open reason uknown
[09:44] <stu> ta
[09:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i used the wine from backports with warty just fine...
[09:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: once upon a time
[09:45] <stu> er by user do you mean users
[09:45] <Flonne> Nope.
[09:45] <scizzo> andrew: restrictedformat?
[09:45] <lewwy> Dreamer3: backports?
[09:45] <lewwy> older versions?
[09:45] <scizzo> andrew: read the wiki about restrictedformats?
[09:45] <andrew> ?? restricted format?
[09:45] <Dreamer3> lewwy: yeah, search the forums... newer versions... if your'e using warty
[09:45] <lewwy> nup
[09:45] <lewwy> hoary
[09:45] <Flonne> Though Ext2 supports permissions, so you may have to do a little bit of configuration there.
[09:45] <andrew> scizzo: never saw anything that said taht
[09:45] <lewwy> cd's with new versions arriving in about 2 months
[09:45] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no idea then, wine might just be broken
[09:46] <puppet> < just installed wine fine
[09:46] <lewwy> WHAT
[09:46] <lewwy> puppet: you on warty or hoary
[09:46] <scizzo> andrew: first install totem-zine
[09:46] <scizzo> andrew: first install totem-xine
[09:46] <puppet> lewwy: latest
[09:46] <mebaran151> my eposn just keeps pushing paper
[09:46] <scizzo> andrew: thats a good start
[09:46] <mebaran151> no ink on page
[09:46] <lewwy> puppet: eh?
[09:46] <mebaran151> just feedng paper
[09:46] <puppet> i dont know ;D
[09:46] <Dreamer3> lewwy: just buy wine from that one company if you REALLY want it to work
[09:46] <andrew> where do i get totem-xine?
[09:46] <lewwy> puppet:  buy...wine
[09:46] <lewwy> isnt wine free?
[09:47] <lewwy> sorry puppet not directed at u
[09:47] <Dreamer3> can anyone get to gnome-look.org?
[09:47] <borgista> andrew, i'd use synaptic
[09:47] <borgista> i haven't been able to Dreamer3
[09:47] <stu> Flonne, I dont think its possible to use the umask=000 uless the file system is ntfs/vfat - it throws up file system errors when I add that line
[09:47] <borgista> kde-look.org is also donw
[09:47] <Dreamer3> lewwy: the supported work-much-better-all-the-time-cause-you-paid-for-it verison isnt'
[09:47] <puppet> im running hoary
[09:47] <puppet> lewwy: hoary
[09:47] <scizzo> andrew: and then read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:47] <lewwy> puppet:  what did you do to get it working?
[09:48] <lewwy> nah gnome-look is down
[09:48] <puppet> lewwy: wine packages
[09:48] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i want this clearlooks theme
[09:48] <puppet> apt-get isntall wine wine-bin wine-tools wine-some other
[09:48] <scizzo> andrew: the reason that things have changed on the site I guess is that hoary will be out soon and things needs updating
[09:48] <puppet> lewwy: i just started the package handler and searched
[09:48] <lewwy> package handler?
[09:48] <lewwy> apt-get
[09:48] <lewwy> ?
[09:49] <puppet> synaptic package handler
[09:49] <puppet> mananger*
[09:49] <lewwy> oh yep
[09:49] <lewwy> yeh i got wine
[09:49] <puppet> just earch for wine
[09:49] <lewwy> i've also got winetools
[09:49] <lewwy> but thats it
[09:49] <puppet> install rest of wine then
[09:49] <geneo91> bunch of wineos here
[09:50] <borgista> hehehe geneo91
[09:50] <Dreamer3> anyone use prelink here?
[09:50] <lewwy> stop wineing!
[09:50] <XIra> Er, who was I just talking to?
[09:50] <XIra> I'm horrible with names
[09:51] <XIra> :x
[09:51] <geneo91> why i the hell would anyone want to use wincrap in linux is beyond me
[09:51] <puppet> geneo91: some programs just exist in windows
[09:52] <lewwy> yeh
[09:52] <roo_> geneo91, i hear u.
[09:52] <lewwy> argh
[09:52] <Xira> Who was the person I was just speaking to in query?
[09:52] <Xira> About ubuntu?
[09:52] <Xira> lol
[09:52] <lewwy> *searches madly for UT2003 cd1*
[09:52] <roo_> lewwy, aah, gamer. fair enough.
[09:52] <Xira> lewwy, save yourself sometime and get ut04 :)
[09:52] <geneo91> like what that you get with install of xp
[09:52] <borgista> me?
[09:52] <Xira> yes!
[09:52] <lewwy> nah its too bi... oh wait no.. it costs too much *shifty eyes*
[09:53] <lewwy> yeh but...
[09:53] <lewwy> no d3d support
[09:53] <lewwy> i mean
[09:53] <andrew> arghh... ok so where do i get totem-xine??
[09:53] <lewwy> pretty much nothing
[09:53] <lewwy> apt-get
[09:53] <lewwy> synaptic
[09:53] <lewwy> andrew: synaptic i think
[09:53] <andrew> i checked and its not there
[09:53] <lewwy> you've added more repositries?
[09:54] <andrew> from where do i add repositorys?
[09:54] <puppet> why not install that gaming in linux thing?
[09:54] <geneo91> andrew:  type it in terminal
[09:54] <lewwy> ahhh
[09:54] <roo_> im off for a bit, bye all :)
[09:54] <lewwy> andrew, goto #flood to see all my repositries
[09:54] <geneo91> sudo synaptic
[09:54] <andrew> k
[09:54] <Dreamer3> anyone here prelink, or no you think ubuntu doesn't need it?
[09:55] <Flonne> prelink?
[09:55] <Dreamer3> Flonne: if you don't know what it is, don't worry about it :)
[09:56] <lewwy> argh
[09:56] <andrew> can someone #flood their repositries?
[09:56] <lewwy> wheres the repositry file?
[09:56] <Flonne> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:56] <lewwy> yeh
[09:56] <lewwy> just found it too lol
[09:56] <lewwy> go back to flood andrew
[09:56] <geneo91> join/ #flood
[09:57] <terry97> is anyone having problems when they minimize a window??
[09:58] <Flonne> Can you be more specific, terry97?
[09:58] <andrew> how can flood boot you for flooding???
[09:58] <terry97> Flonne: everytime I minimize it just disappears and I cant get it back up
[09:59] <geneo91> must be warty
[10:00] <danny666> hi
[10:00] <Flonne> Do other apps show up in your window list (that bar where things should be displayed)?
[10:00] <terry97> ??
[10:01] <terry97> yes unless I minimize
[10:01] <andrew> ohh dang i got warty guys...
[10:01] <Flonne> What applications have you tried minimizing?
[10:02] <terry97> terminal and firefox
[10:02] <danny666> is win32codecs out for ubuntu or do i have to install it over the  tar.bz2
[10:02] <bur[n] er> w32codecs
[10:02] <geneo91> Flonne:  mine was that way till i updated
[10:02] <andrew> does anyone have extended repositries for warty?
[10:02] <bur[n] er> check wiki for restrictedFormats
[10:03] <moogman> terry97:  Do you have a panel bar at the bottom of your screen? Does Alt+Tab do anything?
[10:03] <mjr> danny666, you can get it from the marillat repository, see bur[n] er
[10:03] <terry97> ho on Ill check
[10:03] <bur[n] er> http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:03] <terry97> that worked man am I stupid or what thanks alot
[10:04] <moogman> terry97: ?
[10:04] <andrew> again.... does anyone have extended repositries for warty?
[10:04] <moogman> terry97: Normally, there is a panel bar at the bottom as with Windows
[10:04] <terry97> yes alt+tab brought up the minimized widows
[10:04] <bur[n] er> andrew: http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:04] <moogman> terry97: And you can select them from there. Maybe yours has been deleted?
[10:04] <terry97> I think I need to add that feature to it
[10:04] <saber> Why is that some ubuntu packages are not installable? But I can download them online.
[10:05] <n4cht> i have officially made hoary look viciously sexy.  http://wretched.ws/einstein.png
[10:05] <moogman> terry97: Right-click on your top gnome bar and click "New Panel"
[10:05] <moogman> terry97: Then you can "drag" it down to the bottom of your screen
[10:05] <terry97> Thanks moogman an Flonne
[10:05] <moogman> terry97: From there, you want to right-click it and click "Add to panel"
[10:05] <bur[n] er> bleh... that's an ugly fluxbox theme ;)
[10:06] <terry97> ok
[10:06] <bur[n] er> er... maybe just the gtk theme within flux
[10:07] <n4cht> bur[n] er, it's the gtk theme within flux.  i dunno how to force it to use my gtk themes from gnome for gtk apps.
[10:07] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png <--that's a good lookin ubuntu ;)
[10:07] <moogman> terry97: Select "Window List". Press OK. Do the same for "Workspace switcher" and "Wastebasket"
[10:07] <bur[n] er> n4cht: run "switch2"
[10:07] <terry97> ok
[10:07] <johnnybezak> n4cht: do you want your gnome themes to work when you run flux for widgets etc. ?
[10:08] <n4cht> johnnybezak, yes.
[10:08] <n4cht> gonna try gtk-theme-switch like bur[n] er suggested.
[10:08] <johnnybezak> add gnome-settings-daemon to your .xsession file
[10:08] <terry97> oky doky it's done man why didn't I think of that
[10:09] <bur[n] er> i'm tellin ya n4cht, gtk-theme-switch will do it ;)
[10:09] <johnnybezak> n4cht: that sets up your gnome environment when you start flux
[10:09] <johnnybezak> n4cht: that way you can change your desktop background themes etc. with the normal gnome tools
[10:09] <n4cht> bur[n] er, it did indeed.  frickin beautiful.
[10:10] <andrew> hey, i tried to install mplayer and got this, check flood
[10:10] <andrew> i think i done broke it
[10:11] <n4cht> johnnybezak, imma try that.
[10:11] <johnnybezak> n4cht: its what i do (i run flux as well)
[10:11] <n4cht> my .xsessions file was empty, but i added it.  imma restart x and see what happens.  :)
[10:11] <andrew> hello?
[10:12] <andrew> !botsnack
[10:12] <bur[n] er> johnnybezak: what else does gnome-settings-daemon do?
[10:12] <bur[n] er> gnome-vfs stuff?
[10:12] <andrew> hey did you guys check flood?
[10:13] <johnnybezak> bur[n] er: not sure, just engages all of your gnome settings i suppose
[10:13] <johnnybezak> i dont know much about the gnome-vfs stuff
[10:13] <e_machinist> hmm, what would you guys say would be the minimum system requirements for Ubuntu?
[10:14] <stu> anyone here got a ATI Radeon card, all the graphical effects (screen saver, music animations etc) are really slow - am I missing the correct drivers? I get 24bit colour
[10:14] <geneo93> 586 128 mb of ram
[10:14] <andrew> same here
[10:14] <e_machinist> 586mhz?
[10:14] <bur[n] er> stu: i use the 'radeon' driver
[10:14] <moogman> I installed it on a 700MHz Duron with a 2.1Gb hard disk the other da, if that helps e_machinist?
[10:14] <johnnybezak> anyone got hula installed
[10:14] <geneo93> pentium
[10:14] <bur[n] er> no hula for me
[10:15] <johnnybezak> stu: nah you need to install their binary drivers
[10:15] <e_machinist> My friend (Randy) has an Athlon XP 1800+ 1.533GHz, 512mb ram, 80GB 7200RPM, Radeon 9200 AGP4x 128mb... he wants to know if that should run it smoothly.
[10:15] <stu> ok ill have a look
[10:15] <geneo93> e_machinist:  yes
[10:15] <johnnybezak> e_machinist: no worries at all
[10:15] <Dreamer3> e_machinist: no way that will be fast enough *laughs*
[10:15] <johnnybezak> stu: good luck :P
[10:16] <Xira> where does gdesklets store its widgets?
[10:16] <Xira> im trying to install one
[10:16] <bur[n] er> where do you get ati binary drivers?
[10:16] <e_machinist> Ok, *telling randy*. Ok, thanks, you guys have helped me convince him to swithc over to Ubuntu.
[10:16] <e_machinist> haha.
[10:16] <Xira> bur[n] er, ati.com
[10:16] <johnnybezak> e_machinist: he didn't seem to need a lot of convincing
[10:16] <moogman> e_machinist: As a rough rule, Linux seems to perform better (dare I say) on lower specced machines than Windows. Suffice to say, it will work very nice with better specs
[10:17] <n4cht> alright, so, the gnome-settings-daemon thing didn't work out...
[10:17] <n4cht> however, switch2 is awesome.
[10:17] <johnnybezak> n4cht: what happened? (you have to restart flux of course)
[10:17] <n4cht> now if i could just force fluxbox to use my gtk window decs, it's be perfect.
[10:17] <bur[n] er> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:17] <n4cht> johnnybezak, i restarted X completely, and nothing happened.
[10:17] <johnnybezak> n4cht: thats what the gnome settings daemon does
[10:18] <e_machinist> Well, he didn't need to much convincing cause I have never (yet! haha) steered him wrong.
[10:18] <e_machinist> But he just needed to know from a few other peeps that it would run smooth.
[10:18] <johnnybezak> n4cht what have you got in your .xsession file
[10:18] <e_machinist> I told him with hardware like that he had nothing to worry about.
[10:18] <n4cht> nothing but 'gnome-settings-daemon'
[10:19] <stu> does the latest ubuntu 5.04 use Xorg or XFree86?
[10:19] <bur[n] er> xorg
[10:19] <borgista> xorg
[10:19] <borgista> :-B
[10:20] <stu> hmm the ati site only has an RPM for the drivers?
[10:20] <n4cht> how do i change things with gnome-settings-daemon anyway?
[10:21] <e_machinist> stu, is your radeon not working out of the box with a default ubuntu install?
[10:22] <e_machinist> I personally have a radeon and it works perfectly fine... no extra drivers needed.
[10:22] <Xira> where does gdesklets store its widgets?
[10:22] <stu> its working, I get 24bit colour but its laggy as hell playing mpeg's, screen saver etc
[10:22] <borgista> Mine worked fine out of the box...but I needed to put the fglrx driver to get better fps
[10:22] <andrew> my radeon is working but it is very slow, some of the renderings should be much faster than they are
[10:22] <stu> its like the windows XP default ATI driver, get 24bit colour but slow as hell
[10:23] <stu> yeah same
[10:23] <e_machinist> What FPS do you get when running most of the screen savers?
[10:23] <borgista> let me see. brb.
[10:23] <stu> about 10? max
[10:23] <stu> windows animations are fine
[10:24] <e_machinist> That is funny... my Radeon 9200 runs all the screensavers around 40-45FPS.
[10:24] <Xira> im on a radeon 9800 pro 256mb and using the default 2d drivers and everything is fine
[10:24] <stu> playing an mpeg file I rekon I get about 20 in a small window
[10:24] <Xira> i dont game under linux, ergo i do not need 3d accel
[10:24] <Xira> besides, i suffer bugs from the binary drivers
[10:24] <e_machinist> stu, when you run glxgears what fps does it report?
[10:24] <borgista> 14908 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2981.600 FPS
[10:24] <stu> 322
[10:25] <borgista> 16254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3250.800 FPS
[10:25] <e_machinist> What radeon you got borgista?
[10:25] <stu> 1611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 322.200 FPS
[10:25] <stu> 1921 frames in 5.0 seconds = 384.200 FPS
[10:25] <andrew> how do i measure fps?
[10:25] <stu> omg?
[10:25] <borgista> 9800 128mb
[10:25] <stu> read what he just said
[10:25] <e_machinist> stu, glxgears reports the fsp for you.
[10:25] <stu> yeah I have the same card
[10:25] <stu> but getting 10% the fps u have
[10:26] <e_machinist> stu, here is what glxgears reports for my radeon 9200.
[10:26] <stu> ok I just found fglrx apt packages, gonna install all the latest ones
[10:26] <n4cht> glxgears reports something like 3,000 fps w/my happy lil overclocked geforce 3
[10:27] <andrew> glxgears doesn't exist??
[10:27] <e_machinist> glxgears reports around 1,500fps on average for my Radeon 9200... pretty nice.
[10:27] <stu> I should be getting 10X what im getting
[10:27] <n4cht> 3,000 avg is dead sexy for a 64mb card. :D
[10:28] <borgista> it is
[10:28] <stu> do I need to reboot?
[10:28] <stu> after driver install
[10:28] <borgista> yes
[10:28] <e_machinist> Did you find a prebuilt driver for Ubuntu stu?
[10:29] <stu> yeah search apt/synaptic for fglrx
[10:29] <stu> gonna reboot - brb (I hope)
[10:30] <delltony> anyone mind helping me with xorg.conf and my monitor? I can't seem to figure out how to set my refresh rate to higher than 60mhz i believe my monitor uses at least 85mhz
[10:30] <e_machinist> I'll install fglrx, see if I get even better acceleration than I already am.
[10:30] <delltony> i'm assuming its modeline in the xorg.conf but i'm confused on what to add or delete
[10:31] <e_machinist> delltony, you can't just set that using the System Config under gnome?
[10:31] <delltony> considering i don't use gnome that would be a no :)
[10:31] <stu> hmm that didn't fix it
[10:32] <delltony> and both read the values from xorg.conf fromw hat i'm told
[10:32] <delltony> i just don't know what to change the actual values to
[10:32] <lunitik> delltony: it depends on the HSync and VSync values...
[10:32] <lunitik> delltony: look into those
[10:32] <e_machinist> meh. Don't know. I just config my monitor refresh rate from the gnome settings.
[10:32] <lunitik> e_machinist: sure... if its present... else, see my last comment
[10:32] <andrew> hey, i am getting a problem trieng to download mplayer...
[10:33] <gustav_> stu: you have to install the restricted modules package and fiddle a little with xorg.conf
[10:33] <delltony> well i have them set to 31.5-90 on h and 29-80 on v
[10:33] <lunitik> andrew: apt-get install mplayer-386 after enabling multiverse
[10:33] <closure> holy shit
[10:33] <e_machinist> yah, on my mandrake box I had to set all that crap.
[10:33] <e_machinist> Good ol' pico.
[10:33] <andrew> i tried taht but it gives me dependency errors
[10:33] <e_machinist> haha.
[10:33] <nix000> anyone can help me figure a good place for server specifications ? i need somthing with raid dual power supply etc ...
[10:33] <lunitik> e_machinist: *cough* nano *cough*
[10:34] <gustav_> stu: look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[10:34] <lunitik> e_machinist: most distro's just make pico a symlink to nano for old-timers
[10:34] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:34] <delltony> lunitik, i have this
[10:34] <delltony> Section "Monitor"
[10:34] <delltony>     Identifier  "Monitor0"
[10:34] <delltony>     HorizSync   31.5-90.0
[10:34] <delltony>     VertRefresh 59.0-75.0
[10:34] <delltony>     Option "DPMS"
[10:34] <e_machinist> I just like the work pico.
[10:34] <lunitik> e_machinist: pico is closed source... nano is a gnu project...
[10:34] <delltony> but even in xrandr i can't see anything other than 60mhz
[10:35] <Flonne> What res are you running at?
[10:35] <lunitik> delltony: eh... this isn't something you can guess... look into your monitor manual...
[10:35] <Dreamer3> wow
[10:35] <e_machinist> meh, when it comes to miniscule little text editors I don't much care what license they use.
[10:35] <Dreamer3> burn-in is terrible
[10:35] <delltony> i'm not guessing at it
[10:35] <lunitik> Flonne: apparently 60 mhz...
[10:35] <Flonne> Resolution...
[10:35] <delltony> 1680x1050
[10:36] <lunitik> delltony: also, please note its considered bad for your eyes to have greater than 60mhz ...
[10:36] <e_machinist> Can you even see text?
[10:36] <Flonne> Widescreen LCD?
[10:36] <e_machinist> haha.
[10:36] <delltony> yes
[10:36] <e_machinist> Higher refresh means less flicker.
[10:36] <delltony> to the widescreen
[10:36] <Dreamer3_> sheesh
[10:37] <Dreamer3_> does samsung just make crap lcds now or days or what?
[10:37] <delltony> so leave the 60 as is?
[10:37] <lunitik> e_machinist: it is irritating to your pupils though, even if you can't see it... I guess if you don't get headaches though, its all good  :/
[10:37] <ice_1963> lol
[10:37] <e_machinist> Yah, rule of thumb is that as long as you don't get headaches you are probably cool.
[10:38] <Flonne> Consult your manual, and consider looking at X's log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) for video card error messages related to EDIDs.
[10:38] <e_machinist> Start getting headaches and you need to change something. haha.
[10:38] <Dreamer3_> how do i defragment my ubuntu?
[10:38] <lunitik> Dreamer3_: the filesystem does such things during downtime
[10:39] <Flonne> (Based on experience with a widescreen notebook and an nVidia card, which is being used now)
[10:39] <lunitik> s/downtime/idle time
[10:39] <Dreamer3_> lunitik: hmmm, i think that's technically incorrect
[10:39] <moogman> lunitik: Where did you hear that?
[10:39] <icesmurf> anyone have any idea why i'd be getting errors like : mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
[10:39] <icesmurf> mount: /dev/hdc1 already mounted or /mnt busy
[10:39] <e_machinist> You don't really need to defrag... but hey... I'm no expert.
[10:39] <Dreamer3_> lunitik: i was asking for giggles... i know the modern filesystems try and minimize fragmentation with WRITES, but not during downtime :)
[10:39] <moogman> (About the higher screen refreshing leading to headaches)
[10:40] <icesmurf> disks not mounted, fusered the directory, not in use.
[10:40] <icesmurf> entries are in /etc/fstab
[10:40] <Flonne> Reiser's design doesn't really need to be defragged as long as you leave it enough space to play with.
[10:40] <e_machinist> heh, modern filesystems except for microsofts... horrible fragmented mess.
[10:40] <icesmurf> and they're correct.
[10:41] <jsgotangco> they rarerly get fragmented
[10:41] <lunitik> e_machinist: even NTFS isn't _that_ bad...
[10:41] <jsgotangco> especially the new journalling fs
[10:41] <Flonne> NTFS is, like, a decade old. It's hardly "modern", despite the minor revisions made to it.
[10:41] <lunitik> jsgotangco: there are three within linux alone... to which do you refer?
[10:41] <e_machinist> How old is ext3?
[10:42] <icesmurf> over a decade, easily :)
[10:42] <Flonne> Ext3 is just Ext2 with journalling. It's pretty old.
[10:42] <lunitik> e_machinist: they do work with it (merging things from the other journeled fs's in the kernel etc) regularly...
[10:42] <lunitik> e_machinist: I believe it first was seen during 2.3 devel cycle though...
[10:42] <lunitik> (so pretty old)
[10:42] <e_machinist> Is there a clear choice of which FS is the best or is it just hit and miss?
[10:42] <Flonne> That new?
[10:43] <icesmurf> no, it was around before 2.3 :)
[10:43] <lunitik> (...considering 2.5 beta cycle was aprox. 3 years)
[10:43] <Flonne> Maybe it was backported, but I know I saw it in 2.2.
[10:44] <Flonne> People tend to swear by either ReiserFS or Ext3, e_machinist. Some prefer XFS, but they're weird smell funny.
[10:44] <jnoreiko> hi
[10:44] <Flonne> Hi.
[10:44] <Flonne> +and
[10:44] <jnoreiko> I've just launched the firefox installer on linux. any idea which directory to tell it to install in?
[10:45] <Flonne> Are you using Ubuntu?
[10:45] <jnoreiko> yup :)
[10:45] <hayden> u should use apt-get
[10:45] <jnoreiko> finally got online with it
[10:45] <Flonne> There's actually a much easier way.
[10:45] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:45] <jsgotangco> :D
[10:45] <jnoreiko> I think my aptget may be broken
[10:45] <Flonne> Are you familiar with the command line, or do you prefer graphical tools?
[10:45] <hayden> the sources or what
[10:45] <jnoreiko> at least synaptic wants to remove things
[10:45] <lunitik> Flonne: Reiser is good for small files (so devels like it) ... XFS for bigger... JFS because you want stalk someone at IBM... ext3 does nothing very well, but is decent at everything....
[10:45] <Flonne> Remove?
[10:45] <e_machinist> Do they have firefox 1.0.2 on Synaptic yet?
[10:45] <gustav_> yup
[10:46] <no0tic> where can I find gobject-2.0?
[10:46] <Flonne> I've been playing with new filesystems for as long as I can remember. :)
[10:46] <Flonne> I've lost systems to Reiser4 countless times, but I keep going back.
[10:46] <Flonne> I'm just waiting for this one to die.
[10:46] <ice_1963> ok
[10:46] <lunitik> no0tic: gob2 isn't what you want?
[10:46] <Flonne> (Since it's supposed to be very, very unstable on AMD64)
[10:47] <jnoreiko> synaptic problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2260
[10:47] <no0tic> lunitik: I think I need dev libraries
[10:47] <jnoreiko> anbd I've just tried apt-get install firefox, and it says can't find the package
[10:47] <e_machinist> How do you enable multiverse?
[10:47] <no0tic> lunitik: I'm compiling and pkg-config searches for gobject-2.0
[10:47] <lunitik> no0tic: apt-cache show gob2 ... seems close to what you want atleast  :/
[10:48] <e_machinist> brb.
[10:48] <kain> jnoreiko, mozilla-firefox
[10:48] <ice_1963> apt-get install mozilla-firefox ok
[10:48] <ice_1963> lol
[10:48] <no0tic> lunitik: gob2 is a preprocessor
[10:49] <Komodor>  Hi all
[10:50] <jnoreiko> I'm getting similar messages to what synaptic says about removing libc6 and locales
[10:50] <lunitik> no0tic: *shrug* ... then try apt-get.org ... if you don't find it there... there isn't a .deb for it
[10:50] <Flonne> Hi.
[10:50] <Flonne> Does it suggest or mention replacing them, jnoreiko?
[10:52] <djp> what is the best way to view rss feeds under warty?
[10:52] <no0tic> lunitik: thanks
[10:52] <jnoreiko> synaptic wants to remove them. I'm going to go through and have it reinstall instead, see if it's happy with that
[10:52] <andrew> how do i kill mplayer?
[10:52] <andrew> it froze
[10:52] <Flonne> Is gdesklets available for Warty?
[10:53] <Xira> join ##linux
[10:53] <djp> currently when i click on an rss link in firefox i get the following message,
[10:53] <djp>         This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
[10:53] <Xira> er
[10:53] <closure> andrew
[10:53] <andrew> yes?
[10:53] <closure> how do you install mplayer
[10:53] <Flonne> "kill `pidof gmplayer`"
[10:53] <lunitik> andrew: pkill -HUP mplayer
[10:54] <Flonne> You may need to restart X, djp. I've had that a few times immediately after Firefox updates on several distributions.
[10:54] <reisi> can i upgrade "beta release" to final hoary without reinstall?
[10:54] <andrew> oohhhh, that did something funny
[10:54] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:54] <lunitik> reisi: yes
[10:54] <Flonne> Yes, reisi.
[10:54] <jsgotangco> just change your repositories
[10:54] <reisi> ok, thank you :)
[10:54] <nexus-> has anyone used Helix DNA server before?
[10:54] <nexus-> i can't seem to get the http serv to work
[10:54] <andrew> whats the fastest way to just restart x?
[10:55] <lunitik> jsgotangco: from beta release... that is unnecissary.
[10:55] <kain> andrew, ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:55] <garrut> anyone have a fix for the problems with the starterbar in gdesklets after the lates updates for hoary?
[10:55] <djp> Flonne: i have version 0.9.3 of firefox running. would that be an issue?
[10:55] <andrew> and to start it up again?
[10:55] <nexus-> it returns a "Not Found" no matter how i try to access it
[10:55] <Flonne> That's... a bit old, isn't it?
[10:55] <kain> andrew, if you have gdm it can restart automatically, otherwise startx
[10:55] <Flonne> Yes, I'd say that might be the problem.
[10:55] <andrew> k thanx
[10:56] <djp> Flonne: does it not update when i apt-get upgrade under warty?
[10:56] <andrew> k now how do i change root password?
[10:57] <Jeeves_> Morning
[10:57] <Flonne> My experience with Warty is limited; I come from a Debian and Gentoo background. :(
[10:57] <djp> Flonne: ok, no probs
[10:57] <scizzo> nexus-: I have set it up ones
[10:57] <Flonne> sudo passwd root
[10:57] <lunitik> andrew: you don't want to... use 'sudo some program'
[10:57] <scizzo> nexus-: once even
[10:57] <scizzo> nexus-: don't remember the exact install though
[10:57] <lunitik> andrew: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:57] <andrew> i want to cause i cann't log in as root cause i don't know the password
[10:58] <kain> root login is bad
[10:58] <Flonne> Your initial user has sudu access.
[10:58] <jsgotangco> bbl
[10:58] <lunitik> andrew: read that link... the password is your user password...
[10:58] <Flonne> Just use your password.
[10:58] <Flonne> And yes, root login is bad.
[10:58] <andrew> i mean in the command line(without x running), and i tried my user password, it didn't work
[10:59] <lunitik> andrew: 'sudo blah'
[10:59] <andrew> sudo blah?
[10:59] <topyli> heh
[10:59] <Flonne> sudo echo blah
[10:59] <andrew> i have to be root to echo??
[10:59] <kain> andrew, root logins are disabled, log in as your normal user and then use sudo to do administrative tasks. if you want to enable root user read the wiki
[10:59] <scizzo> the first user added is the one having the sudo rights...
[10:59] <topyli> andrew: "blah" there is whatever command you want to run as root
[10:59] <andrew> k, good enough
[10:59] <scizzo> or something like that
[10:59] <lunitik> andrew: gah... its a basic example of sudo usage...
[11:00] <bitar> hey all...
[11:00] <lunitik> andrew: to do things with root privs... preceed with 'sudo'
[11:00] <Flonne> And echo would demonstrate whether it worked or not...
[11:00] <Flonne> Hi.
[11:00] <nexus-> scizzo, did you administer it using the web interface?
[11:00] <ice_1963> lol
[11:00] <lunitik> andrew: seriously dude, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:00] <nexus-> scizzo, i can't seem to find it.
[11:00] <andrew> im oing to bed now...
[11:01] <bitar> i'm trying to change my network settings in Ubuntu, but it's tell me that i don't have enough proviliges :S .. so i thought of logging in is as the root... but the password is not working.. is there a default password for the root?
[11:01] <scizzo> nexus-: I did it all from commandline
[11:01] <kain> bitar, try using the one of your user account
[11:01] <scizzo> nexus-: I don't trust webinterfaces... :)
[11:01] <bitar> kain: i did...
[11:01] <Flonne> When you try to change your settings, are you prompted for a password?
[11:01] <ice_1963> bash
[11:01] <scizzo> nexus-: there should be a good description of how to install it in the package I guess
[11:01] <Zevin> anyone here have a hard time getting IE6 to install for wine?
[11:01] <bitar> still not allowed...
[11:02] <nexus-> scizzo, i'm still looking for it
[11:02] <Flonne> Murder isn't bad, lunitik.  'Sabout choice, after all.
[11:03] <lunitik> Xira: kick it harder?
[11:03] <Xira> :\
[11:04] <bitar> topyli: i'm able to change the ip address and all.. but if i try to configure my network by trying to change the broadcast number, it doesn't allow me...
[11:04] <Xira> anyone?
[11:04] <Zevin> once i get the base stuff for wine installed, can i run windoze stuff?
[11:04] <lunitik> Xira: I know of nothing Fedora does that is special... you're sure you're not just imagining it?
[11:04] <Flonne> Are you still running the i386 kernel, Xira?
[11:04] <Flonne> (It's used by default.)
[11:04] <Zevin> i dunno, i was hoping to get WoW to run on here so i could dump XP off my system
[11:04] <Xira> Flonne, n, 686
[11:04] <lunitik> Flonne: Fedora's kernel is compiled for 386...
[11:04] <kain> Xira, maybe your fedora core was prelinked?
[11:04] <Xira> i dont know
[11:05] <Xira> is there anyway to make gterm open.. faster?
[11:05] <lunitik> Xira: it is by default... actually...
[11:05] <Flonne> WoW requires Cedega, a commercial, and evil, product sold by Transgaming.
[11:05] <topyli> bitar: is it the "network tools" from the applications menu, or the one from the system menu?
[11:05] <lunitik> Xira: try installing prelink  :/
[11:05] <Xira> my friend who runs ubuntu with the same specs, his proc is slightly faster, and his opens instantly
[11:05] <kain> Xira, try enabling prelink on your ubuntu machine, read the forum to know how
[11:05] <scizzo> nexus-: the install and such should give you the ports and stuff listed...also it should tell you where to put the real stuff for playing
[11:05] <bitar> topyli: don't recall...
[11:05] <bitar> brb... i'll check it out..
[11:06] <scizzo> nexus-: I think the install was rather straight forward...but it was a long time ago I installed it
[11:06] <bitar> gotta log on with ubuntu...
[11:06] <Flonne> I thought FC1+ auto-detected during the installation, lunitik.
[11:06] <nexus-> scizzo, do you need realplayer to access the services on the ports? when i point my browser at the ports it just says Not Found.
[11:06] <topyli> bitar: the one in the applications menu is just for information. the system tool is the one you want
[11:06] <nexus-> I wonder if there is a special client
[11:06] <lunitik> Flonne: auto-detected what exactly?
[11:06] <Flonne> Of course, it didn't recognize my other laptop's keyboard, so I returned to LFS within a few minutes. >.>
[11:06] <lunitik> Flonne: and how is that related to prelinking?
[11:07] <Flonne> It isn't.
[11:07] <Flonne> I'm talking about its kernel.
[11:07] <Flonne> I'm fairly sure it loaded an i586 thing, though that was a long time ago.
[11:07] <lunitik> Flonne: geh... kernel doesn't autodetect anything... its a static software that does what its told...
[11:07] <Flonne> No, no...
[11:07] <Flonne> The FC installer.
[11:08] <lunitik> Flonne: kudzu is the only auto detection mechanism in fedora.
[11:08] <kakalto> is Firefox 1.0.2 available in warty?
[11:08] <lunitik> kakalto: yes
[11:08] <Nabiki> Hihi
[11:08] <kakalto> lunitik, then why can't I see it?
[11:08] <Flonne> Meh. Maybe I installed it without a keyboard somehow.
[11:08] <lunitik> kakalto: apt-get update
[11:09] <scizzo> nexus-: ummm..you need a player yes
[11:09] <kakalto> lunitik, I see 1.0.1-2ubuntu-something
[11:09] <Xira> how do I enable ubuntu universe?
[11:09] <Xira> im looking on the forum without success
[11:09] <kakalto> lunitik, thank
[11:09] <kakalto> s
[11:09] <lunitik> Xira: uncomment the line in sources.list
[11:09] <Xira> where is that located?
[11:09] <Flonne> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:09] <lunitik> Xira: uhh... half way down?
[11:10] <lunitik> Flonne: you suck dude... I like playing with bad questions  :(
[11:10] <Xira> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:10] <Xira> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:10] <Flonne> :(
[11:10] <Xira> uncomment those two?
[11:10] <lunitik> Xira: no...
[11:10] <Flonne> The second one is optional.
[11:10] <lunitik> Xira: the one that doesn't state security
[11:10] <Flonne> If you don't plan to develop/build it yourself, leave it out.
[11:11] <Xira> oh
[11:11] <Xira> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:11] <Xira> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:11] <Flonne> Oh... Yeah, that, too.
[11:11] <Xira> uncomment those?
[11:11] <lunitik> Xira: the one that doesn't state -src yes
[11:11] <dmoyne> where to fix keyboard features : on my azerty keyboard the sequens "^" + "o" yields "^o" instead of ""
[11:11] <topyli> Xira: well, you do want the universe security updates too i guess :)
[11:11] <Xira> eh
[11:11] <Xira> not for now
[11:11] <Xira> im just trying to install prelink
[11:12] <lunitik> topyli: eh... not yet he doesn't... its empty till after release
[11:13] <Xira> So what does prelink do anyway?
[11:13] <lunitik> topyli: I'm a huge fan of not having apt-get update take an hour to complete...
[11:13] <Zevin> anyone else using nvidia-glx
[11:13] <topyli> lunitik: oh yeah :)
[11:13] <Flonne> I've been wondering about that, too.
[11:13] <lunitik> Xira: it links libs and binaries...
[11:13] <dmoyne> konqueror
[11:14] <Flonne> I am, but my conditions are probably a little strange, Zevin.
[11:14] <Flonne> Ask anyway, though.
[11:14] <lunitik> Xira: basically, when loading, an application just knows what it needs to run, instead of going and looking of everything
[11:14] <lunitik> for*
[11:14] <jnoreiko> oops.. I've killed firefox :(
[11:14] <Flonne> How is that information managed?
[11:14] <ice_1963> Flonne most be from redhat
[11:14] <lunitik> Flonne: no idea... I just know the basic task...
[11:14] <Xira> lunitik, i see :)
[11:15] <Zevin> well, i ran the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, and rebooted, and i had a white screen of death
[11:15] <Flonne> If by RedHat you mean the Gentoo/Debian/LFS side, yes.
[11:15] <Jimbob> http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/cgi-bin/man?program=prelink&section=8
[11:15] <Zevin> so i restored the old config file
[11:15] <Zevin> so i can see now
[11:15] <Jimbob> That's the prelink man page
[11:15] <Zevin> what did i do wrong?
[11:15] <ice_1963> hhmmmmm
[11:16] <Xira> k
[11:16] <Xira> i just did /etc/cron.daily/prelink
[11:16] <Xira> should the speed affects take immediatly?
[11:16] <Jimbob> "prelink is a program which  modifies  ELF  shared  libraries  and  ELF dynamically  linked  binaries,  so  that the time which dynamic linker needs for their relocation at startup significantly decreases and also due to fewer relocations the run-time memory consumption decreases too (especially number of unshareable pages)."
[11:16] <Jimbob> Xira: No
[11:16] <Jimbob> Xira: If you manually run /etc/cron.daily/prelink, then it will.
[11:16] <Xira> I just did
[11:17] <Jimbob> Xira: I'd reboot, personally.
[11:17] <Xira> gterm isnt launching any faster
[11:17] <Xira> :-/
[11:17] <jnoreiko> what happens if I remove package lsb?
[11:17] <andy_> am running alsa with my SB Live but i cant get sound from my rear speakers..is there a command line i have to run to get it to run in 5.1
[11:17] <lunitik> jnoreiko: nothing... its a meta-package
[11:17] <Xira> Jimbob, k i'll try rebooting
[11:17] <Zevin> flonne, any tips to avoid the white screen of death after enabling the nvidia-glx drivers?
[11:17] <Xira> brb
[11:17] <Jimbob> Xira: The problem is that any libraries/apps already in-use will not be re-read.
[11:17] <Xira> so should a reboot work?
[11:17] <Jimbob> Xira: Should, yes
[11:17] <Flonne> I'm looking through its source now... Yet another distraction from sleep. >.>
[11:17] <Xira> k
[11:17] <Xira> brb
[11:17] <Zevin> hehe, sorry
[11:18] <lunitik> Flonne: sleep is for the weak
[11:18] <Flonne> What card are you using?
[11:18] <topyli> jnoreiko: all the lsb package does is ensure you have all the stuff required by lsb compliance
[11:18] <Zevin> i'm using a gefore 4 440 go 64mb on a laptop, if that helps
[11:18] <Flonne> Sleep is also for those who have a test in six hours.
[11:18] <Flonne> It might.
[11:18] <Flonne> r3000 series?
[11:18] <lunitik> Flonne: eh... more time to study  :P
[11:18] <Zevin> r3000? laptop?
[11:19] <Flonne> Because I know this system needed a special kernel module flag.
[11:19] <Zevin> nope, hp zv5000
[11:19] <Flonne> Yes, an r3000 or z5000 (or something like that) HP.
[11:19] <Flonne> Sounds like a match...
[11:19] <Zevin> yeah
[11:19] <Zevin> hmm
[11:19] <Flonne> Are you comfortable with the command line?
[11:19] <jnoreiko> how do I tell synaptic to get a package from the net and not ask me for the CD?
[11:20] <jnoreiko> ... or how do I tell apt-get to force a reinstall?
[11:20] <Zevin> a little.
[11:20] <Xira> Okay
[11:20] <bitar> hey all...
[11:20] <Xira> There is still a 1.5 second delay when opening gterm
[11:20] <Zevin> i know more,less, gedit,grep, basic stuff
[11:20] <Xira> :-/
[11:20] <topyli> jnoreiko: remove references to cd from /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:20] <Flonne> Mind if I PM you?
[11:20] <Tomcat_> jnoreiko: Take the CD out of /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update and install
[11:20] <Zevin> go ahead
[11:21] <Xira> Jimbob, heh, that didn't help
[11:21] <Xira> maybe somthing else is causing the delay?
[11:21] <Jimbob> Xira: vte (the lib gnome-terminal uses for rendering the text) is pretty un-optimized, AFAIK.
[11:21] <djp> which rss feed software is preferred here? blam or liferea?
[11:21] <lunitik> Flonne: please preceed things with a nick... helps to bring order to IRC channels...
[11:21] <garrut> watf
[11:21] <Jimbob> Xira: What version are you using?
[11:21] <Xira> Jimbob, you run gentoo?
[11:21] <Xira> Of what?
[11:21] <Jimbob> Xira: No, ubuntu
[11:22] <bitar> just got back from Ubuntu... when i go to :  App/System tools/Netwrok tools/ i pick my network device and as soon as i click on "Configure" , it tells me to tun this tool you need administrator priviledges... insert ur root's passworD :S
[11:22] <Jimbob> Xira: of gnome-terminal
[11:22] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ gnome-terminal --version
[11:22] <Xira> Gnome gnome-terminal 2.10.0
[11:22] <lunitik> djp: akregator  8)
[11:22] <jnoreiko> firefox freezes on me now
[11:22] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[11:22] <jnoreiko> apt-get says there's nothing to reinstall
[11:22] <closure> jnoreiko mine just did that
[11:22] <Jimbob> Xira: Are you running anything else GNOME?
[11:22] <stu> anyone here in the UK??
[11:22] <saber> Ahhhhhhhhh! I'm finally restoring my system after 3 hours... thank you BackupPC
[11:22] <saber> heh
[11:23] <ice_1963> jest reinstall firefox
[11:23] <lunitik> stu: does it count if I was born there... but moved?
[11:23] <stu> time? 10:23?
[11:23] <goldfish> stu: Ireland.
[11:23] <topyli> bitar: hmm. so it does. anyway, that's the wrong tool :)
[11:23] <jnoreiko> um, how?apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox says nothing to do
[11:23] <goldfish> stu: yes that;s the time.
[11:23] <stu> lunitik, not really :)
[11:23] <stu> ta
[11:23] <jnoreiko> stu -- yeah, my ubuntu hasn't changed to summer time either :(
[11:23] <topyli> bitar: find the one in the "actions" menu or whatsitcalled
[11:23] <ice_1963> update firefox
[11:23] <stu> mine has I think says - 10:23
[11:24] <jnoreiko> E: The update command takes no arguments
[11:24] <topyli> bitar: are you still running warty?
[11:24] <ice_1963> or uninstall
[11:24] <lunitik> Arizona doesn't even change its clocks... makes things much less confusing  :)
[11:24] <ice_1963> and reinstall
[11:24] <lunitik> but you can't use the "I didn't change my clocks" excuse to get off work for an hour... sucks  :(
[11:25] <Xira> Jimbob, any ideas?
[11:25] <bitar> topyli: no i'm using XP now.. :S
[11:25] <kain> will hoary have a bootsplash in the final release (tomorrow)?
[11:25] <topyli> bitar: that's the wrong tool for sure =)
[11:25] <lunitik> kain: umm... prolly not.
[11:25] <topyli> bitar: anyways, the real admin tools are in the other menu
[11:26] <Xira> Jimbob,  other than that Ubuntu is faster than FC3 - being sour about a 1.5 sec delay is a bit picky, so I'll live with it I guess
[11:26] <bitar> topyli: heeh.. yeah i know.. that's why i wanna use Ubuntu...
[11:26] <stu> ubuntu is the win - detected my wireless card and worked out the box
[11:26] <stu> the win*
[11:26] <Jimbob> Xira: When last I tried prelink, the config was set to not do any actual prelinking -- how long did it take to run /etc/cron.daily/prelink?
[11:26] <stu> o ffs
[11:27] <stu> this thing corrects my spelling
[11:27] <Xira> Xira, 3-5 mins maybe?
[11:27] <topyli> bitar: the one in the applications menu is just for information. the "configure" button should be removed IMO
[11:27] <Xira> er
[11:27] <Xira> Jimbob, 3-5 mins maybe?
[11:28] <bitar> topyli: look @ my problem, after configuring it and all with all the ip adreses ect ect, as soon as i open the browser it automatically directs me to a page where i write my username and password... and i got that page in Ubuntu.. but as soon as i write all the details, PRESSING ok is not working :S it stops @ the page.. i keep on clicking and clicking and pressing enter but no results... it's goign to the next page as it's suppose to... do u know wha
[11:28] <bitar> seems to be the problem?
[11:28] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[11:28] <stu> grr rhythm crashed again taking with it gnome-panel
[11:28] <jnoreiko> stu -- are you reporting a bug for the summer time thing?
[11:29] <stu> nope
[11:29] <stu> mine changed
[11:29] <stu> presuming of course that it is actually 10:30
[11:29] <jnoreiko> yes it is
[11:29] <goldfish> stu: It is in Ireland.
[11:29] <jnoreiko> mine still says 1130
[11:29] <stu> altho tbh I only installed this last night
[11:29] <topyli> bitar: i don't follow. what's the "it" you've configured? where does your browser take you?
[11:30] <jnoreiko> we're in different zone settings then -- you'll be europe/ireland
[11:30] <jnoreiko> europe/dublin I mean
[11:31] <stu> root@stu:/home/stu # fgl_glxgears
[11:31] <stu> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:31] <stu> eh? Im running Xorg - why is tryin to do that :/
[11:31] <goldfish> hehe
[11:31] <stu> um and Im not logged in as root either before anyone says anything :p
[11:32] <bitar> topyli: well i'm writing all the ip/mask/gateway required to connect to the internet... the way my connection works is that as soon as u log on, it directs me to a page where i write my username and password... and then as soon as write them, the connection is established... Now, i'm getting that page in Ubuntu, but as soon as i click on "ok" after writing my username and password, it doesn't do anything...
[11:32] <goldfish> stu: lol
[11:32] <berstein> Hello all.  Upgraded to Hoary Preview.  Now getting "fork(): Memory allocation error" with Hoary's 2.6.10 kernel.  Any hints?
[11:33] <topyli> bitar: oh, that's your isp's way of working?
[11:33] <Flonne> lunitik, yeah... I'm used to quieter channels.
[11:33] <light_punch2> anyone install ubuntu on a slow machine? 500mhz cpu?
[11:33] <closure> how come my desktop does not update all the time
[11:33] <bitar> topyli: yeah...
[11:33] <closure> and items are not shown on it?
[11:33] <kakalto> Could someone please tell me why, only about 2/3 boots, warty boots in, but the other 1/3 times, it stops @ 'starting hotplug subsystem', and crashes?
[11:33] <jnoreiko> installed firefox again... but it's being really slow. asked me what profile I wanted then vanished
[11:33] <lunitik> closure: because they were never put into ~/Desktop?
[11:34] <topyli> bitar: what a cruel and unusual pun^H^H^H isp
[11:34] <topyli> bitar: i have no idea what's wrong :(
[11:34] <bitar> :(
[11:34] <closure> no
[11:34] <closure> i put them there
[11:35] <stu> hmm I thought I would download the universe, multiverse, main and security - its taking a while
[11:35] <jnoreiko> any idea what this means? firefox keeps saying this in terminal *** loading the extensions datasource
[11:35] <light_punch2> why would anyone want to use ubuntu instead of other distros?
[11:36] <topyli> beats me
[11:36] <Flonne> Because of its integration, for one thing, light_punch2.
[11:36] <tayar> Hi
[11:36] <Flonne> Hi.
[11:36] <DemisM> the reason i use it over debian is because of stable releases happen more often than debians
[11:36] <stu> ubuntu release every 6 months
[11:37] <topyli> light_punch2: if you like debian, ubuntu is pretty much a fixed version of unstable + ubuntu goodies
[11:37] <stu> so u're guaranteed the bleeding edge
[11:37] <tayar> I am having a problem that when ever is leave my screen to idle 30min i get loged out
[11:37] <light_punch2> i am currently using slackware
[11:37] <Xira> heh
[11:37] <Xira> i installed eterm
[11:37] <Xira> its a lot faster
[11:37] <Xira> ;)
[11:37] <Flonne> Six months is a long time, stu.
[11:37] <tayar> i install using a croupted preview hoar cd :(
[11:37] <ice_1963> Flonne do run debian 3.0 woody
[11:37] <DemisM> 6 months < debian release
[11:37] <tayar> *hoary
[11:37] <Flonne> I do.
[11:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[11:38] <tayar> bt upgrade to the latest packages last night
[11:38] <topyli> Flonne: still, you get the latest gnome before it hits debian unstable (for example)
[11:38] <stu> ja, but not all distro's release every 6 months guaranteed?
[11:38] <Flonne> True, but there are faster distros.
[11:38] <light_punch2> yeah, debian don't release a lot
[11:38] <Flonne> ...They just aren't as well-supported.
[11:39] <stu> reason I like ubuntu is cos of the hardware support
[11:39] <stu> out the box
[11:39] <tayar> seb128: i guess you would be the best guy to know my problem?
[11:39] <seb128> ?
[11:40] <stu> my 3com wireless card worked immeditely after install along with my gfx card, sound card (spdif also worked), IPOD mounts and works correctly etc
[11:40] <kakalto> what internet browsers does ubuntu warty come with?
[11:40] <kakalto> firefox, what others?
[11:40] <light_punch2> i am trying to find the spec/system requirement page.  i have a 500 mhz computer
[11:41] <stu> out the box I think just firefox, but the package manager will get the rest for you
[11:41] <DemisM> kakalto: you can get just about any browswer that is free
[11:41] <kakalto> what's a text-only browser?
[11:41] <tayar> seb128: read above about my problem
[11:41] <DemisM> lynx
[11:41] <kakalto> thanks
[11:41] <stu> kakalto, lynx for example
[11:41] <Flonne> links, elinks, lynx.
[11:41] <jnoreiko> mozilla is on the CD
[11:42] <kakalto> so that's why in X-Chat, when you right-click a link, there's options for mozilla? or is that just x-chat normal
[11:42] <seb128> tayar: you get back to gdm ? Seems to be a xfree/xorg crash
[11:42] <Flonne> That's just how X-Chat is.
[11:42] <jnoreiko> i've just installed mozilla, and now there's an option for it in xchat
[11:43] <stu> http://test.com
[11:43] <kakalto> jnoreiko, there always was/is
[11:43] <DemisM> kakalto: in your case maybe, but if you do a base install not necessarily
[11:43] <stu> heh - yeah its just x-chat
[11:43] <Flonne> You might also notice things like Konqeror, despite not having KDE. (Though the Ubuntu devs might have removed it; I haven't used X-Chat in, like, forever.)
[11:43] <kakalto> ahk
[11:43] <tayar> seb128: yes
[11:43] <stu> mozilla - firefox
[11:43] <e_machinist> Well... that is definitely the last time I screw with fglrx.
[11:44] <DemisM> e_machinist: what is wrong, you have ati?
[11:44] <topyli> e_machinist: mine was last thursday :)
[11:44] <light_punch2> anyone know how to save changes correctly in lynx?
[11:44] <tayar> seb128: its only happens when i idle for 30min
[11:44] <light_punch2> trying to disable cookies, but keep on coming back
[11:45] <stu> I screwed with fglrx this morning, didn't help my gfx performance :/
[11:45] <e_machinist> How did fglrx go for you stu?
[11:45] <stu> well I used synpatic
[11:45] <DemisM> you need to change the ati in the xorg-config to fglrx
[11:45] <seb128> tayar: no idea. Look on /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:45] <DemisM> I'm using fglrx fine
[11:45] <stu> to get the drivers for Xorg - everything works as it did before, 2d is fine, but mpeg/3d is slow and I get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:46] <goldfish> hey guys, im trying to upgrade to hoary from warty, i've changed all the instances of warty in source.list to hoary, what apt commands do i now run?
[11:46] <topyli> DemisM: when i log out of X, it can't restart. the box goes dead
[11:46] <stu> which confuses me cos I installed the drivers for Xorg not Xfree86
[11:46] <mjr> goldfish, update and dist-upgrade
[11:46] <stu> topyli, try ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:46] <DemisM> topyli: that happens to me too :(
[11:46] <tayar> seb128: ok
[11:46] <DemisM> doesn't work
[11:46] <goldfish> mjr: thanks
[11:46] <mjr> goldfish, (with apt-get)
[11:46] <topyli> stu: nothing works, the keyboard is dead, and the screen is blank
[11:46] <goldfish> :)
[11:47] <stu> if you press numlock does the light come on and off?
[11:47] <topyli> stu: google tells me it's a common problem with the latest ati drivers
[11:47] <stu> hmm, I dont have that prob
[11:47] <topyli> stu: xfree or xorg?
[11:47] <stu> org
[11:47] <topyli> hmm
[11:48] <goldfish> well, that didn't go well
[11:48] <DemisM> stu type fglrxinfo in a terminal window
[11:48] <stu> hey is it safe to do a upgrade while running X and playing mp3's etc etc
[11:48] <e_machinist> With fglrx I get about 10fps on screen savers and 180fps on glxgears, with the default drivers I get 40fps on screensavers and 1500fps on glxgears.
[11:48] <DemisM> what do you get?
[11:48] <stu> root@stu:/home/stu # fglrxinfo
[11:48] <stu> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:48] <stu> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:48] <tayar> seb128: should i give you the file?
[11:48] <Flonne> radeon > fglrx?
[11:48] <DemisM> stu: then you're not using the drivers correctly
[11:49] <stu> yeah it seems that way
[11:49] <stu> dunno how to fix it tho, I used synpatic to install the Xorg drivers
[11:49] <stu> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:49] <stu> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:49] <stu> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[11:49] <seb128> tayar: no, look on it if there is something like a crash
[11:49] <stu> oops
[11:49] <seb128> tayar: I think that's an xfree/xorg crash, I don't maintain them
[11:49] <DemisM> stu: that there means your using software rendering
[11:49] <waxhead> hi everyone
[11:49] <stu> no wonder its slow
[11:49] <stu> I gotta go to airport soon, Ill look at fixing my drivers when I get back from Tunisia
[11:50] <e_machinist> With the default ubuntu drivers I get great 3D acceleration so I'm good to go. haha.
[11:50] <DemisM> stu go to /etc/X11/xorg-config i believe and look for the anything that says ati
[11:50] <DemisM> change that to fglrx
[11:50] <Flonne> I'd ask to see your xorg.conf, but I need to sleep soon.
[11:50] <tayar> seb128: so i should ask daniels?
[11:50] <Xira> e_machinist, which card?
[11:50] <stu> DemisM, dont have the xorg-config
[11:50] <DemisM> xorg.conf?
[11:50] <waxhead> is this a radeon card by chance?
[11:50] <e_machinist> Radeon 9200
[11:50] <seb128> tayar: probably yep
[11:51] <waxhead> e_machinist, how?
[11:51] <DemisM> stu I type xorg (tab)
[11:51] <DemisM> heh
[11:51] <topyli> stu: that's why you don't have the problem. you're not actually using the ati hardware acceleration :)
[11:51] <e_machinist> how what?
[11:51] <Xira> e_machinist, that's becuase there's no offical ati support it, so OSS drivers were made, and OSS > Binary closed
[11:51] <DemisM> topyli: you haven't fixed it right?
[11:51] <stu> yeah it works when I dont tell it to look in /etc etc
[11:51] <tayar> seb128: where is he>
[11:51] <waxhead> e_machinist, radeon 3d acceleration...
[11:52] <waxhead> I have a 9600 but no 3d acceleration...
[11:52] <seb128> tayar: put a bug in bugzilla
[11:52] <tayar> crimsun: you also know something about xorg right?
[11:52] <mjr> 9200 is from those days when AT wasn't evil yet, and helped the community with specs
[11:52] <DemisM> stu: i'm not home atm so I don't know what it is called I think it is /etc/X11/xorg.conf or config or -conf or so, open that file
[11:52] <topyli> DemisM: no. it's my work box, and i haven't seen it since thursday. going there again today
[11:52] <e_machinist> waxhead, run glxgears, what do you get for the average fps?
[11:52] <DemisM> it should look like the XF86Config-4 file in oother distros
[11:53] <DemisM> in other distros lol
[11:53] <DemisM> when using xf86
[11:53] <stu> im in the xorgconfig now
[11:54] <stu> for ATI I see - 5  ** ATI (generic)                      [ati]        -
[11:54] <stu>   6  ** ATI Radeon (generic)               [radeon]     -
[11:54] <stu>   7  ** ATI Rage 128 based (generic)       [r128]       -
[11:54] <waxhead> e_machinist, 1921 frames in 5.0 seconds = 384.200 FPS
[11:54] <stu> ATI Radeon generic? I dont want that do I ?
[11:54] <DemisM> stu get out :)
[11:55] <stu> :/ ?
[11:55] <e_machinist> waxhead, my radeon 9200 reports 7500 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1507.600 fps...
[11:55] <DemisM> Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx",
[11:55] <stu> o.. um lemme just finish this then Ill look at the conf file
[11:55] <queuetue> Is there a known issue with yesterday' haory updates breaking gnome?
[11:55] <DemisM> type ctrl-c
[11:55] <e_machinist> waxhead, And in the 3D screensavers I run around 40-45fps @ 1024x768
[11:56] <topyli> queuetue: my gnome  is not broken
[11:56] <e_machinist> So I am definitely getting a shot of 3D acceleration on this 9200.
[11:56] <waxhead> e_machinist, yeah... but I haven't found a way to get the ATI drivers installed under xorg
[11:56] <tayar> seb128: do i need to register on bugzilla? and if yes can i use bug-buddy and not  have to register?
[11:56] <Flonne> 7976 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1595.200 FPS (GeForce 440 Go, 64MB)
[11:56] <waxhead> e_machinist, oyu are...
[11:56] <DemisM> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=xorg.conf
[11:56] <DemisM> go there guys
[11:56] <goldfish> i'm currently doing an apt-get dist-upgrade, is there any way i can stop it or pause it and come back to it later on? I have to boot into windows  :/
[11:56] <DemisM> and follow the step by step instructions
[11:57] <DemisM> on installing for your specific card type be it ati or nvidia
[11:57] <Flonne> Is it still downloading packages, goldfish?
[11:57] <goldfish> yes
[11:57] <seb128> tayar: you need to register, bug-buddy doesn't work with it atm
[11:57] <goldfish> 2 hours left
[11:57] <Flonne> Yeah.  Zevin didn't die!
[11:58] <Flonne> Did it work?
[11:58] <Zevin> well
[11:58] <DemisM> topyli: x works fine for me, I just can't logout
[11:58] <e_machinist> From what I understand it is far easier to get NVidia cards running under Xorg
[11:59] <topyli> DemisM: exactly
[11:59] <e_machinist> With full 3D accel.
[11:59] <queuetue> topyli, I get as far as the panels apparing, but not populating (they stay blank) and that's it - I hacked a xterm into gdm.conf so Ican use the system, but gnome seems pretty dasmaged - dbus seems completely dead.
[11:59] <DemisM> topyli: i can reboot though
[11:59] <Flonne> It's far easier to get nVidia working anywhere.
[11:59] <Zevin> did die, but my limited command line skills let me bring me back to life:)
[11:59] <Flonne> Ah.
[11:59] <MaRk-I> hi all got a problem with eth0 its detected but it just wont connect stays asleep just receiving 1kbs
[11:59] <topyli> DemisM: yeah
[11:59] <DemisM> topyli: and if I don't automatically start gdm I can logout as many times as I want
[11:59] <Zevin> mark
[11:59] <e_machinist> Flonne, except for my 9200... which has full 3D accel right out of the Ubuntu box.
[11:59] <Zevin> theres a file
[11:59] <Flonne> Can you provide me with your full model number? I'll look into it tomorrow and look for some place to update the Wiki.
[11:59] <Zevin> hmm
[11:59] <e_machinist> haha.
[12:00] <topyli> DemisM: so it works if you use startx?
[12:00] <Zevin> forget which one
[12:00] <DemisM> yes
[12:00] <MaRk-I> something about if up/down??
[12:00] <DemisM> iirc
[12:00] <Zevin> you can turn off etho
[12:00] <topyli> DemisM: ok, so it's just the restart that's broken
[12:00] <MaRk-I> turn off?
[12:00] <Zevin> yeah
[12:00] <DemisM> I don't know, I'm pretty sure the fglrx driver has something to do with it
[12:00] <Zevin> i did it with mine sense i ust use the wifi on mine, not the eth0
[12:01] <MaRk-I> Zevin: mine didnt detect wlan0
[12:01] <Flonne> "ifdown eth0" will bring down that card/interface.
[12:01] <DemisM> cause without it I can logout fine
[12:01] <DemisM> hi stu :)
[12:01] <Flonne> How are you online now?
[12:01] <stu> sup
[12:01] <DemisM> run fglrxinfo now
[12:01] <Xira> http://home.comcast.net/~xira/Ubuntu.png
[12:01] <stu> yeah I did
[12:01] <DemisM> good?
[12:01] <stu> no errors
[12:01] <DemisM> fglrx_gears
[12:01] <Flonne> Zevin, can I get your laptop's model number?
[12:01] <stu> but, when I run fgl_glxgears I get errors
[12:02] <DemisM> what error?
[12:02] <stu> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[12:02] <stu>   Major opcode of failed request:  145 (GLX)
[12:02] <stu>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
[12:02] <Flonne> I also just noticed that my Debian config had the options line below the alias.
[12:02] <queuetue> Is there a way to list which repository a package was installed from?
[12:02] <e_machinist> That sucks.... time to just go to the store and buy an Nvidia card to run on that Xorg stu.
[12:02] <e_machinist> haha.
[12:02] <DemisM> stu: that's wierd
[12:03] <stu> there's a fglrxconfig
[12:03] <DemisM> no
[12:03] <DemisM> that's for xf86
[12:03] <stu> when I run it it wants to create a config file for Xf86.... :/
[12:03] <DemisM> don't worry about that
[12:03] <stu> yeah..
[12:03] <DemisM> type this
[12:03] <DemisM> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[12:04] <stu> fglrx..
[12:04] <stu> modprobe dont give errors either
[12:04] <DemisM> type this: sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx
[12:05] <stu> ok it took a few seconds and returned me to the shll
[12:05] <stu> +e
[12:05] <DemisM> and restart x, which since you're running fglrx would probably mean restart
[12:05] <stu> rebootage.. brb
[12:05] <DemisM> atleast thats what it means for me :(
[12:06] <e_machinist> Once stu gets fglrx running under xorg properly... he better pray that he never messes anything up on that compy.
[12:06] <e_machinist> haha.
[12:06] <DemisM> e_machinist: it's not that bad...
[12:06] <e_machinist> uhuh.
[12:07] <DemisM> really all you have to do is add fglrx to the end of your /etc/modules file, then change ati to fglrx in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:07] <DemisM> and reboot
[12:07] <DemisM> and everything should work
[12:07] <e_machinist> ok... but not for stu obviously.
[12:07] <DemisM> heh
[12:07] <DemisM> he didn't add fglrx to /etc/modules before
[12:07] <DemisM> you restarted x fine?
[12:08] <stu> yeah, still same error tho
[12:08] <DemisM> what ati card do you have?
[12:08] <stu> root@stu:/home/stu # fgl_glxgears
[12:08] <stu> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[12:08] <stu> 9800 128
[12:08] <hayden> ive had heaps of probs with fglrx as well
[12:08] <e_machinist> I see... so that is really all there is to it? Add it to the /etc/modules file then change in the xorg.conf?
[12:08] <DemisM> yes
[12:08] <e_machinist> How come so many people can't get it to work then?
[12:08] <corza> argh too much chocolate
[12:08] <hayden> do u change the xorg.conf using fglrxconfig ?
[12:09] <DemisM> cause they don't follow directions
[12:09] <DemisM> hayden, no
[12:09] <MaRk-I> brb
[12:09] <stu> hayden, you dont, fglrxconfig is for Xfree86
[12:09] <e_machinist> fglrx doesn't really provide instructions from what I understand.
[12:09] <stu> ive checked /etc/modules and fglrx is in there
[12:09] <hayden> what do u change in xorg.conf then
[12:09] <DemisM> e_machinist: if you follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=xorg.conf exactly what is says you'll be fine
[12:09] <stu> hayden, change "ati" to "fglrx"
[12:09] <hayden> that all
[12:09] <DemisM> yes
[12:10] <hayden> hmm ok
[12:10] <stu> make sure you have fglrx in /etc/modules to
[12:10] <drspin> anyone up?
[12:10] <e_machinist> cool, will keep that link for the future DemisM.
[12:10] <stu> ^ not him
[12:10] <drspin> hehe
[12:10] <DemisM> yeah no prob...
[12:10] <hayden> yep
[12:10] <drspin> quick question: how can I make all files copied to /mnt/music have owner=me and group=music?
[12:10] <DemisM> stu: since you put that line in your modules file restart your comp
[12:11] <DemisM> if not I don't know what's up
[12:11] <stu> I just rebooted
[12:11] <DemisM> completely?
[12:11] <stu> the line was there already
[12:11] <stu> yeah,
[12:11] <DemisM> oh ok
[12:11] <DemisM> sigh
[12:11] <stu> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version :/
[12:11] <stu> hmm
[12:12] <hgoesm> i have an xserver problem view failure in #vpnserver2005
[12:12] <drspin> I wish ATI would help out the OSS community a little
[12:12] <abelli> ciao
[12:12] <abelli> does someone here use fb with a 15.4 wxga?
[12:12] <DemisM> stu what did you do before we began speaking?
[12:13] <stu> used synaptic to get the package
[12:13] <stu> rebooted
[12:13] <stu> thats about it
[12:13] <queuetue> Is there a way to list which repository a package was installed from?
[12:13] <myosotis> tu n'es point venu ce matin
[12:13] <Ubabe> Anyone here use XMMS?
[12:13] <drspin> I use XMMS
[12:13] <goldfish> yep
[12:13] <myosotis> i do too
[12:14] <drspin> damn this is good KB :)
[12:15] <DemisM> stu: try loggin in and out see if it freezes you to
[12:15] <hgoesm> i installed ubuntu as server and now i wann have fluxbox but whene i type startx i get an error message!
[12:15] <Ubabe> im trying to get XMMS to find a mouted network HDD that i have hooked up vis SMB
[12:15] <DemisM> if it freezes reboot
[12:15] <stu> im looking through Xorg.0.log and cant see any mention of fglrx at all
[12:15] <drspin> Ubabe: is it in fstab?
[12:16] <DemisM> stu any errors?
[12:16] <stu> I lie, I found it manually the vim search function didn't find it for some reason
[12:16] <stu> (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
[12:16] <stu> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
[12:16] <stu> (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
[12:16] <stu>         compiled for <IP_ADDRESS>2, module version = 8.8.25
[12:16] <stu>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[12:16] <stu>         ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
[12:16] <raziel_> how do I change the language after I`ve installed?
[12:17] <DemisM> stu: are you using hoary?
[12:17] <stu> aye
[12:17] <Ubabe> fstab??
[12:17] <MaRk-I> is the "host" name in the eth0 configuration important?? I changed it and it worked for a while but then I left it blank and alot of stuff wouldn't work
[12:17] <hayden> "/etc/fstab"
[12:17] <drspin> Ubabe: LOL -- # cat /etc/fstab
[12:17] <stu> you say a mounted, network HDD - what do you mean? you've connectd to it via SAMBA or what, Ubabe
[12:17] <drspin> Ubabe: it's a list of all the filesystems, their mount points, and their mount options
[12:17] <Ubabe> ahaaaa
[12:18] <Flonne> You shouldn't need to be root to cat fstab.
[12:18] <Ubabe> lemme try again then...
[12:18] <Ubabe> cool didnt knowit existed till just then :)
[12:18] <drspin> Flonne: I didn't use sudo -- but I guess hte "#" is for root and "$" is for not root
[12:18] <Ubabe> somebody on channel kept pointing me to /mnt ?!
[12:18] <DemisM> stu run glx_gears without the fglrx
[12:18] <stu> DemisM, (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found
[12:18] <stu> ^ I think thats the cause
[12:19] <drspin> Ubabe: that may not be the solution but it's a possibility :: for help type $ man fstab
[12:19] <e_machinist> Time for sleep. Night everyone.
[12:19] <stu> DemisM, glxgears runs (always has) but I only get 300fps
[12:19] <queuetue> Is there a way to list all packages that are marked "local"?  I have a conflict with an unifficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence...
[12:20] <Flonne> Yes, drspin.
[12:20] <stu> queuetue, have you tried dpkg -l ?
[12:20] <drspin> 3455 frames in 5.0 seconds = 691.000 FPS
[12:20] <drspin> 3413 frames in 5.0 seconds = 682.600 FPS
[12:20] <drspin> ugly :/
[12:20] <drspin> Flonne: thanks for the tip :)
[12:20] <queuetue> stu, I have, but does that indicate where a package came from?
[12:20] <queuetue> stu, It does not appear to for me.
[12:20] <stu> queuetue, I dont know
[12:21] <DemisM> stu: apt-get remove xorg-drivers-fglrx
[12:21] <stu> was just a suggestion :)
[12:21] <stu> DemisM, yeah I was thinking the same thing
[12:21] <DemisM> and then install it again :)
[12:21] <drspin> quick question: how can I make all files copied to /mnt/music have owner=me and group=music?
[12:21] <drspin> ^^^ for my fstab entry I mean
[12:21] <jcdenton> hi
[12:22] <krash3x> does anyone know any good media players that can play windows media off the internet
[12:22] <krash3x> hellow
[12:22] <krash3x> whats up
[12:22] <stu> DemisM, im gonna purge the config files to then reinstall, reboot, bbiab
[12:22] <DemisM> k
[12:23] <lunitik> krash3x: you need to fetch the correct codecs... http://wiki.ubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:23] <Ubabe> drspin, i dont have any fstab directory (?!)
[12:23] <DIndlo> hi\
[12:23] <drspin> Ubabe: it's not a directory
[12:24] <drspin> Ubabe: to edit it $ gedit /etc/fstab
[12:24] <lunitik> krash3x: yeah... uhh... don't message me
[12:24] <DIndlo> i have a bad bug on my freshly installed copy of haory ' when i restart the GUI jams but i can still move my mouse '
[12:24] <DIndlo> does anyone else have this problem
[12:25] <DIndlo> and i get stuck in ubuntu
[12:25] <drspin> DIndlo: do the logs say anything?
[12:25] <Xira> xcompmgr is neat
[12:25] <Xira> O_o
[12:25] <DIndlo> how do i check the log ?
[12:25] <DIndlo> will it log the error if i pull the power
[12:25] <DIndlo> without shutting donw ?
[12:25] <Jimbob> DIndlo: no
[12:26] <DIndlo> hmm
[12:26] <DIndlo> cause it basically jams
[12:26] <Jimbob> DIndlo: Unless it logged the error before you pull the plug, that is
[12:26] <DIndlo> and i cant do anythign
[12:26] <DIndlo> hmm
[12:26] <drspin> DIndlo: $ cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[12:26] <corza> get down with the sickness
[12:26] <DIndlo> ok i will try that
[12:26] <DIndlo> sec
[12:26] <stu> same error
[12:27] <DemisM> and you did a normal install right?
[12:27] <stu> I used apt-get
[12:27] <DemisM> so you did a base install
[12:27] <stu> Im gonna give up on this got packing and stuff to do
[12:27] <stu> base install ?
[12:27] <DemisM> and then used apt-get for everything else?
[12:27] <stu> oh u mean base install of hoary
[12:28] <stu> yes
[12:28] <DIndlo> Has anyone tried the KUbunutu pre release yet ?
[12:28] <DemisM> nah when you first installed, ubuntu
[12:28] <krash3x> I have
[12:29] <DemisM> you have a pci, ati?
[12:29] <stu> AGP
[12:29] <stu> hmm
[12:29] <DemisM> hmm... no idea
[12:29] <stu> do I need a AGP driver... cos xorg tells me about PCI cards
[12:29] <stu> yeah ok - thanks for your help
[12:29] <DemisM> atleast you're now using the fglrx drivers
[12:30] <DIndlo> drspin: i have no XFree86.0.log log file
[12:31] <DemisM> anyways, check around the bug track and type your error in, go to www.ubuntu.com and search the forums and howtos
[12:31] <lunitik> DIndlo: you're still using warty?  :/
[12:31] <DemisM> I reinstalled ubuntu about 4 times until everything was right
[12:31] <DemisM> but that's cause I fiddled with the wrong stuff, and didn't backup any files or anything
[12:32] <krash3x> I wish I could figure out how to fix my ati card on here everytime I do it I cant adjust the settings
[12:32] <DIndlo> lunitik: on hoary now
[12:32] <lunitik> DIndlo: grr... then its Xorg.0.log
[12:32] <DIndlo> lunitik : lol oops ok
[12:32] <universal> does someone know about point2play?
[12:32] <DemisM> DIndlo: you upgraded, or did you install hoary originally?
[12:33] <DIndlo> DemisM : did not upgrade
[12:33] <lunitik> DemisM: apparently fresh install of hoary... else he'd have that file
[12:33] <DemisM> lunitik: yeah, but his sentence confused me :) "on hoary now"
[12:34] <queuetue> Is there a way to list all packages that are marked "local"?  I have a conflict with an unofficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence...
[12:35] <saber> Anyone here ever user the restore feature on BackupPC?
[12:36] <saber> Its failing for me, and i have no idea why.. i'm following the documentation to the word...
[12:37] <spiaggia> hello
[12:37] <queuetue> Is there no "find all packages not from the current repositories" command or script?
[12:37] <saber> there's a web interface, que
[12:38] <spiaggia> does anyone have a few minutes to help me with an installation problem?
[12:38] <waxhead> cya
[12:38] <queuetue> saber, where is this interface?
[12:38] <saber> search google
[12:39] <queuetue> saber, a google search will present em with a web interface to determine which packes on my system were not installed from official sources?  You're sure of that?
[12:40] <spiaggia> please?
[12:40] <saber> sorry i misunderstood your question
[12:40] <griffith> please help...
[12:40] <saber> you can write a simple script to do that
[12:40] <jono> hi all
[12:41] <queuetue> saber, How do I determine what repository a package came from?
[12:41] <jono> has someone broken X in hoary?
[12:41] <griffith> I've just got a new mb
[12:41] <queuetue> jono, what symptoms are you getting?  (mine was a little broken as well.)
[12:41] <griffith> and when I try to start ubuntu. nthing is working
[12:41] <griffith> and when I try the live cd
[12:41] <queuetue> griffith, what point *does* it get to?
[12:41] <jono> queuetue, my desktop is all skewed and the fonts are really fuzzy - it is unusable
[12:42] <griffith> neiter the mouse or keyboard will work
[12:42] <spiaggia> I am trying to keep my disk partitions containing an old RedHat Linux system and load Ubunto into those partitions.  But I don't understand the disk partition menu enough to do that.
[12:42] <saber> que, well you can check against your cd
[12:42] <seraphiel> what is the newest version I can apt-get to?
[12:42] <saber> after that it gets complicated, because you're need to search the web interface
[12:42] <lunitik> seraphiel: of what?
[12:43] <griffith> well. I can get ubuntu to start without x. but as my mouse or keyboard wont work I can't do much
[12:43] <queuetue> saber, So, apt does not store where packages come from?
[12:43] <jono> anyone here deal with the X packages
[12:43] <jono> is daniels not about?
[12:43] <lunitik> jono: no
[12:43] <nexus-> scizzo, you there?
[12:43] <lunitik> uhh... yes... he's not around...
[12:43] <griffith> my new mb is a msi based on the ati xpress 200 chipset
[12:43] <saber> i doubt it... that would be redundant
[12:44] <jono> hmmm, I wonder if other people are getting this X issue
[12:44] <lunitik> jono: what issue?
[12:44] <seraphiel> lunitik, is there an thing like putting unstable in sources.list in debian for ubuntu?
[12:44] <jono> lunitik, my desktop is all skewed and the fonts are really fuzzy - it is unusable
[12:44] <lunitik> seraphiel: yes... putting hoary in sources.list
[12:45] <Xira> How do I install this gdesklets theme?
[12:45] <Xira> where do I extract it to?
[12:45] <seraphiel> lunitik, is it very buggy?
[12:45] <lunitik> jono: deff not seeing that here...
[12:45] <lunitik> seraphiel: no... I'm using it...
[12:45] <Xira> anyone?
[12:46] <seraphiel> lunitik, so a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should do the trick?
[12:46] <lunitik> Xira: just drag to the gdesklets tool... or in the first menu I think... install new gdesklet
[12:46] <seraphiel> lunitik, after I put hoary in sources.list, of course
[12:46] <lunitik> seraphiel: umm... yeah
[12:47] <lunitik> seraphiel: this *is* debian... with a paid devel team.
[12:47] <saber> que, have you looked around /var/lib/dpkg?
[12:47] <lunitik> seraphiel: asking stupid questions when you obviously know the answer is rather annoying.
[12:47] <Xira> lunitik, huh?
[12:47] <p88> Hi all
[12:47] <queuetue> Is there a way to list all packages that are not from the current sources in sources.list?  I have a conflict with an unofficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence...
[12:48] <p88> Are there people with a CMI8378 card?
[12:48] <seraphiel> lunitik, sorry
[12:48] <Xira> lunitik, i dont quite understand
[12:48] <lunitik> Xira: the tar.gz or whatever... the gdesklets manager tool handles those files...