[00:00] <helpzonline_> when will be online then
[00:00] <helpzonline_> gone???
[00:02] <willer> jesus christ
[00:03] <helpzonline_> OK it finished
[00:04] <helpzonline_> when to connect the phone
[00:04] <GarettM> What do you mean when? You c
[00:05] <GarettM> You put the phone into fastboot then plug in then run the phablet-flash command
[00:06] <helpzonline_> oh god ... OK let me try again
[00:08] <GarettM> Lmfao xD
[00:10] <helpzonline2> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install phablet-tools
[00:10] <helpzonline2> got this error while getting the driver
[00:10] <helpzonline2> soory
[00:11] <GarettM> ??
[00:11] <helpzonline2> apt-get install android-tools-{fastboot,adb} E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[00:11] <helpzonline2> this error
[00:14] <GarettM> Put sudo before that
[00:14] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:15] <GarettM> Building this is painful i started 3 hours ago
[00:17] <helpzonline2> really sorry ... am new to this
[00:19] <helpzonline2> E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/main/universal/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. W: Target Sources (restricted/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:54 and /etc/apt/sources.list:55 W: Target Sources (multiverse/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in
[00:19] <helpzonline2> is this ok
[00:21] <helpzonline2> sudo apt-get install phablet-tools Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done phablet-tools is already the newest version (1.2+16.04.20160503-0ubuntu1). The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   libpango1.0-0 libpangox-1.0-0 Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded
[00:22] <GarettM> You know i have no clue again i am a jack of all trades i know enough to get by but not enough to help
[00:23] <helpzonline2> the 3rd cammand showing this
[00:23] <GarettM> You already installed phablet tools
[00:23] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:24] <GarettM> Put your phone into fastboot mode and plug it into your pc
[00:25] <helpzonline2> ya its done
[00:25] <helpzonline2> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools  can i type this
[00:26] <GarettM> Then run: "sudo phablet-flash community --device minato" and your phone should reboot into ubuntu touch
[00:26] <GarettM> When its done, don't remove the phone while its flashing you can kill it
[00:29] <helpzonline2> INFO:phablet-flash:Obtaining project branch from lp:~minato-image-dev/phablet-image-info/minato INFO:phablet-flash:Download directory set to /home/helpzonline/Downloads/phablet-flash/community/minato INFO:phablet-flash:Creating /home/helpzonline/Downloads/phablet-flash/community/minato bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~minato-image-dev/phablet-image-info/minato": No such person or team: minato-image-dev E
[00:30] <GarettM> Well shit
[00:30] <GarettM> Okay then just use fastboot to flash the images then bro i was trying to guide you through the safe method
[00:30] <helpzonline2> do you know how
[00:31] <GarettM> Nope xD
[00:31] <helpzonline2> ok...
[00:32] <helpzonline2> thanks for ur time
[00:33] <GarettM> Sorry bro like i said I'm learning as i go
[00:33] <helpzonline2> ok...
[00:34] <GarettM> There should be a guide somewhere for your device
[00:34] <helpzonline2> can u suggest me anything...
[00:34] <GarettM> What are the images you got
[00:34] <helpzonline2> ubuntu.img and boot.img
[00:34] <GarettM> I can suggest but dont get mad at me if i give you a brick
[00:34] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:34] <GarettM> And whats your device?
[00:35] <helpzonline2> Sony xperia z1
[00:35] <helpzonline2> i got a web page
[00:35] <GarettM> sudo fastboot -S 256M flash boot boot.img
[00:36] <GarettM> sudo fastboot -S 256M flash system ubuntu.img
[00:36] <GarettM> sudo fastboot feboot
[00:36] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:36] <helpzonline2> i have some text saved can u look into it
[00:36] <GarettM> Run that command in the same folder you have those files
[00:37] <helpzonline2> its for nexus
[00:37] <GarettM> So let's say those files are in Downloads type "cd ~/Downloads" before running fastboot
[00:37] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:37] <GarettM> Wait what? Those files are for the nexus?! Dont run them
[00:37] <helpzonline2> no
[00:38] <helpzonline2> i mean i saved some text for doing fastboot...
[00:38] <GarettM> Ahh just run what i said its from the page for your device
[00:38] <helpzonline2> but the method was given for nexus phone
[00:38] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:39] <helpzonline2> i will try that
[00:39] <GarettM> Fastboot is for Android in general
[00:39] <helpzonline2> Step 5: Connect your device via a USB cable to your PC running Ubuntu. Youll be prompted in Android to authorise it. To check the connection is working, type (at the prompt) adb devices You should see your device listed with a series of numbers and letters. If your device isnt shown, try first typing: adb kill-server Step 6: If you havent already done so, now is the time to back up your Android apps and data. Also, n
[00:40] <GarettM> Type adb devices to check if your device is connected
[00:40] <GarettM> I would advice you to learn more about the adb commands and fastboot commands as they will help a lot
[00:40] <helpzonline2> ok
[00:46] <helpzonline2> helpzonline:~/Downloads$ adb devices * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * * daemon started successfully * List of devices attached
[00:49] <GarettM> fastboot not adb dude listen to what i say or you will brake your phone
[00:51] <helpzonline2> to see if the device is connected
[00:55] <GarettM> Your phone is in fastboot so yeah fastboot devices
[00:55] <GarettM> Pretend adb doesn't even exists right know
[00:58] <helpzonline2> :~/Downloads$ sudo fastboot devices [sudo] password for helpzonline:  BH906N2L09	fastboot
[00:58] <helpzonline2> BH906N2L09
[00:58] <helpzonline2> devices is connected right
[00:59] <helpzonline2> now can i run sudo fastboot -S 256M flash boot boot.img
[01:00] <GarettM> Yes .... Please never ever ever put your password on here
[01:01] <helpzonline2> no its not the password
[01:01] <helpzonline2> its the id
[01:01] <helpzonline2> of phone i think
[01:01] <GarettM> Okay xD
[01:01] <GarettM> Run the fastboot commands
[01:02] <helpzonline2> ok
[01:05] <helpzonline2> its wil take somtime right???
[01:08] <GarettM> Most likely
[01:09] <GarettM> Also it might take a while for the first boot too
[01:09] <helpzonline2> its rebooting
[01:09] <GarettM> Like 10 minutes worth i believe i waited on the samsung G3 when it first came out
[01:09] <helpzonline2> showing ubuntu
[01:09] <GarettM> Awesome
[01:09] <helpzonline2> ys done
[01:10] <helpzonline2> wow ur awesome man
[01:10] <helpzonline2> thanks a lot
[01:10] <GarettM> No problem bro enjoy ubuntu touch
[01:11] <helpzonline2> anything else to be done
[01:11] <helpzonline2> ???
[01:11] <helpzonline2> i mean app
[01:11] <GarettM> Hopefully tonight ill have it to
[01:11] <GarettM> I have no clue honestly i used it once for 30 seconds and went back to Android
[01:12] <helpzonline2> ok
[01:12] <GarettM> Next Sunday if i get this ported for my device i can let you know xD
[01:12] <helpzonline2> which is ur device
[01:13] <GarettM> The LG G4 T-Mobile / H811
[01:13] <helpzonline2> ok
[01:13] <helpzonline2> there is one problem
[01:13] <GarettM> Great phone
[01:13] <GarettM> Whats the problem?
[01:13] <helpzonline2> touch is not working
[01:14] <GarettM> That is weird...
[01:15] <GarettM> It should be working
[01:15] <helpzonline2> ya
[01:16] <helpzonline2> let me reboot and see
[01:16] <GarettM> If it doesn't test it with these images instead http://people.canonical.com/~okubik/minato/honami/
[01:17] <helpzonline2> thts the same one i downloaded
[01:17] <GarettM> Well shit
[01:18] <helpzonline2> any way tht was a success...
[01:18] <helpzonline2> if it din work will flash back  to android
[01:19] <helpzonline2> thank you so much...
[01:19] <GarettM> Okay bro
[01:21] <helpzonline2> so you guys only talk about linux touch here???
[01:21] <helpzonline2> any other topics???
[01:22] <GarettM> I have no clue i just got on here
[01:22] <GarettM> I believe this is a help and support chat
[01:22] <helpzonline2> hmmm
[01:22] <helpzonline2> ok see u around then
[01:23] <helpzonline2> its 6 am here
[01:23] <helpzonline2> going to sleep lol...
[03:09] <media1> touch screen not working after flashing in xperia z1...can anybody help
[09:06] <slvn> hello, I have updated my app: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.1bsyl.spider
[09:06] <slvn> and a user reports it crashes its Ubuntu One Account ...
[09:06] <slvn> can someone give a try?
[09:07] <slvn> (user has a Aquaris E4.5)
[09:43] <media1> anyone knows about ubuntu touch image available for sony xperia z1 other than 1st unstable version
[09:55] <mardy> tvoss: hi! Can I assign bug 1604446 to myself?
[10:17] <cariveri> Hi there. my ubuntu-phone's networkmanager seems to be broken. vlc remote wont connect e.g., the network managere's license is not displayed, the switch from wifi to phone network only works after restart.
[10:17] <cariveri> what can I do?
[10:17] <cariveri> reset of the phone I already did once.
[12:25] <JakesDen> Can anyone help me port a rom over to my device, i do have the device source tree and dirvers sources.
[12:32] <JakesDen> Anyone, i need halp asap
[12:33] <cariveri> I too need help.
[12:33] <k1l> what is the exact issue?
[12:34] <JakesDen> I jsut need someone to help port over ubuntu touch to my device
[12:38] <ogra_> you are aware that porting is rather a matter of weeks/months and not just days ?
[12:41] <cariveri> then et me come in first. how to I upgrade the ubuntu phones system?
[12:42] <ogra_> it notifies you if there is an upgrade ... you just go to system-settings and hit the install button
[12:43] <cariveri> ok. then it seems an upgrade to 16.04 ist not yet offered.
[12:43] <ogra_> no, that will still take quite somme time
[12:43] <davmor2> cariveri: the phone system is on it's own image
[12:44] <davmor2> cariveri: it doesn't follow releases the same way as the desktop
[12:44] <JakesDen> Can anyone help me port it?
[12:44] <cariveri> davmor2: ok, understood. the actual problem is the network mananger as it seems.
[12:45] <davmor2> cariveri: nm on the phone is the same as the version in Yakkety plus patches for ofono
[12:45] <ogra_> JakesDen, mariogrip runs https://ubports.com/, he is perhaps able to give  you some hints if he finds the time
[12:46] <cariveri> davmor2: the funny thing is, its licence is not viewed and a error message of an app says it is unset. also switching from wifi to g3 network doesnt work unless I restart the phone.
[12:47] <davmor2> cariveri: did you make your phone read write and install anything from the deb archive?
[12:48] <cariveri> davmor2: deb archive ? no I used the store for installations.
[12:49] <davmor2> cariveri: okay then that is a really weird issue, what device is this?
[12:50] <cariveri> davmor2: bq aquarius e5
[12:52] <davmor2> cariveri: can't help you out with that one but it should be the same as e4.5 and that here is working fine so not sure why you are seeing an issue, might be best to file a bug against network-manager
[12:53] <davmor2> cariveri: attach you syslog to it from the phone
[12:55] <cariveri> davmor2:  I got a network status app and it says Initialized:No
[12:55] <cariveri> even though it is online
[12:55] <davmor2> cariveri: what network status app
[12:55] <cariveri> called networkstatus
[12:58] <davmor2> cariveri: there is a review for the app that says, No gateway address, no dns info, no traffic info
[12:58] <ogra_> likely the app has a bug
[13:07] <dobey> JakesDen: please don't randomly PM people
[13:08] <JakesDen> dobey, i wanted to talk to you about a previous conversation
[13:16] <cariveri> the general error message that I have seen on different occasions was something like "error opeing shm / lttng-ust-wait ..."
[13:16] <dobey> that's a warning, and non fatal
[13:17] <ogra_> dobey, well, admittedly it could be prefixed with "warning: "
[13:17] <cariveri> error is considered a warning? anayways .. how about ..
[13:18] <dobey> "error" in computer programming is often like "theory" in science
[13:19] <dobey> there's clear evidence that something didn't work as expected, but it's not always exactly an error in the layman's sense :)
[13:20] <ogra_> well, that specific line is definitely not an error but log spam that should be filtered
[13:20] <ogra_> yet, itself saying "error" is definiitely confusing
[13:20]  * ogra_ blames tedg
[13:21] <dobey> ogra_: you think that's confusing? it could be -ESUCCESS
[13:21] <ogra_> lol
[13:21] <davmor2> ogra_: technically it is an error in permissions but not in programming  but it is an error that can't be remedied in the current setup iirc
[13:22] <cariveri> how could I tell what is an what not an error in the logs?
[13:22] <dobey> right. it's a warning :)
[13:22] <ogra_> well, all apps run through a wrapper ... would be easy to filter that line and not have it fill up your log
[13:22] <dobey> yeah, that should be possible
[13:23] <ogra_> and while it is a warning, after all it causes *a lot* of disk IO due to writing to the log
[13:23] <dobey> but then it sets precedent
[13:23] <dobey> and then we end up engineering a general solution to filter out all kinds of other things too
[13:23] <ogra_> we should just not log at all
[13:24] <ogra_> unless the user sets a toggle
[13:24] <ogra_> i'd even consider that a security feature
[13:24] <ogra_> logging just eats your performance
[13:25] <dobey> somehow i doubt logging is the performance bottleneck on ubuntu phones
[13:25] <ogra_> it is one
[13:25] <ogra_> surely not the big one :)
[13:25] <ogra_> but once your MMC onn the nexus5 is worn out you will agree ;)
[13:25] <dobey> well, running apps is a bigger performance bottleneck. if you want a fast phone, you shouldn't run apps
[13:26] <ogra_> except that you dont run apps on ubuntu phones
[13:26] <ogra_> you run "an app"
[13:26] <dobey> well, surprisingly, it's not dead yet after 2 years of ubuntu
[13:26] <ogra_> (teh others are just screenshots in the spread after all)
[13:26] <dobey> ogra_: the others aren't just screenshots
[13:27] <dobey> ogra_: they are still occupying RAM, even if they aren't in the running state
[13:27] <ogra_> if your app is greedy enough, all thats left are screenshots
[13:27] <ogra_> they get OOMed
[13:27] <dobey> i think that's expected, but not always the case
[13:27] <ogra_> sure
[13:28] <ogra_> but after all you always only run one app
[13:28] <ogra_> which was my statement :)
[13:39] <TomLee> Hello there
[13:39] <cariveri> ok thanks so far.
[13:39] <TomLee> Curious whether BQ Aquaris E4.5 has support for desktop apps on the phone
[13:40] <TomLee> I've seen that in OTA-12 M10 has desktop apps section in the tablet
[13:40] <ogra_> TomLee, currently only nexus4, meizu pro5 and the bq M10 have support for this
[13:41] <TomLee> any plans to expand this?
[13:41] <ogra_> i dont think so
[13:41] <TomLee> currently own the e4.5, switched to android due to bad usability, want to switch back at the moment
[13:41] <ogra_> the 4.5 really has not enough ram and wont have any way to attach an external display
[13:42] <TomLee> ah... external display mandatory
[13:42] <ogra_> not mandatory
[13:42] <TomLee> was hoping for a way to turn the desktop mode inside the phone, however bad it is and use the desktop apps inside the phone
[13:42] <ogra_> but at 940x480 or whatever the 4.5 has and the dpi size of x apps your fonts will only be 2px tall
[13:42] <ogra_> and you wont really be able to interact with the apps
[13:42] <ogra_> ui elements will be to small etc
[13:43] <TomLee> makes sense
[13:43] <ogra_> the M10 gets along fine with no external screen
[13:43] <ogra_> the pro5 is not really usable either, but if you go very close you can actually use libreoffice with a mouse on its screen :)
[13:44] <TomLee> by any chance, do you know what happened to supporting .apk on ubuntu-touch?
[13:44] <popey> TomLee: it was discussed, but never put on the plan
[13:45] <ogra_> you would have to ship a whole jvm inside your click package
[13:45] <TomLee> I'm aware of that
[13:45] <ogra_> and it would have to talk to Mir
[13:46] <ogra_> (and have to deal with confinement and input layer issues)
[13:46] <ogra_> so it would be quite some effort
[13:46] <TomLee> too much effort, that could be directed towards other parts that need improvement
[13:47] <mcphail> ogra_: would there be any way to switch between mir and surfaceflinger? Presumably the android libc is living at the other end of libhybris anyway?
[13:47] <ogra_> i dont think that works anymore, no
[13:47] <ogra_> it used in the very early images
[13:47] <ogra_> but you wont be able to run unity on SF anymore
[13:48] <mcphail> Yes. Just wondering if you could have some sort of state change between Unity and a running android app
[13:48] <ogra_> nope
[13:48] <ogra_> even back then it required a reboot
[13:48] <mcphail> aah. OK
[13:48] <ogra_> so your state change would be "reboot into that kiosk app" ... if it would work at all
[13:49] <ogra_> and indeed the kiosk app wouldnt have any way to reboot then ... so you would have to do a hard reset ...
[13:49] <ogra_> and potentially lose data
[13:49] <mcphail> messy
[13:49] <ogra_> yep
[13:50] <TomLee> that's expected when trying to combine two different ecosystems
[13:50] <ogra_> well
[13:50] <TomLee> speaking of, any support for polymer/angular within the UI creation ( I haven't looked into it AT ALL)
[13:50] <ogra_> there is no combining
[13:51] <TomLee> Let's say scopes, I recall it's done with JS
[13:51] <ogra_> there is a black box ubuntu talks to
[13:51] <ogra_> andd in that black box you have some drivers and daemons to make these drivers work
[13:52] <ogra_> annd the pther way round ... i.e. shipping your jvm in the click would be closer to something like virtualbox oon your PC
[13:52]  * ogra_ wonders why his kbd does all these double chars
[13:53] <TomLee> butter fingers
[13:53] <ogra_> heh
[13:58] <TomLee> thanks for the info orga_, I'll need to reflash the os today, might make a custom scope, if not too lazy ;)
[14:00] <dobey> huh
[14:20] <illegalprime> I asked yesterday but had to leave: any word on when more ubuntu touch phones will be in stock?
[14:20] <dobey> you'll have to ask meizu or bq about when they will have stock available for their phones
[14:21] <dobey> or whomever third party distributor you're trying to buy it from
[14:22] <illegalprime> dobey: I see, I'll try that. I am afraid that Ubuntu decided to stop producing more phones, since they are *all* out of stock
[14:22] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt produce phones :)
[14:23] <ogra_> we only make the software here ... it is really up to manufacturers to decide on the rest
[14:23] <dobey> right. we just make the OS
[14:23] <dobey> the manufacturers produce the phoens
[14:23] <dobey> canonical/ubuntu don't make hardware :)
[14:24] <ogra_> well ... there are stickers and usb sticks in the canonical store ;)
[14:24] <illegalprime> ogra_: right, I know you guys are software people, so I guess its weird for me to expect Canonical having a hand in the supply of their phones
[14:24] <ogra_> but nothing more complex than that ;)
[14:25] <illegalprime> it makes more sense for meizu to decide wether to keep selling them or not
[14:25] <ogra_> right
[14:26] <ogra_> the ports are slowly coming together though ... at some point theer should be more fully working devices
[14:26] <ogra_> then you could just buy one of these and re-flash
[14:26] <illegalprime> is it strange that all 4 devices are out of stock?
[14:26] <ogra_> matter of demand i guess
[14:26] <illegalprime> well I would like to support ubuntu-touch by buying a phone directly
[14:27] <illegalprime> i guess there are more direct ways to support the cause
[14:27] <ogra_> the tablet should still be in stock ...
[14:27] <ogra_> that doesnt help much if you actually want a phone indeed :)
[14:27] <illegalprime> sorry I mean the 4 phones
[14:27] <dobey> well, you can just give us money :)
[14:27] <illegalprime> how much of the phone money goes to Canonical?
[14:28]  * ogra_ brings the tophat
[14:28] <dobey> if you buy a phone? no idea
[14:28] <popey> all of it if you donate directly
[14:29] <illegalprime> lol is there a way to specify 'I wanted to buy a phone but no one will sell it to me so here is some money instead?'
[14:29] <dobey> popey: well, all of it minus the processing fees :)
[14:30]  * mcphail would be happy to send a sub every month specifically for phone development
[14:31] <Acou_Bass> xD illegalprime doesnt the canonical donation page have options for where you want the money to go (eg. desktop? server? phone? other foss prrojexts?)
[14:31] <Acou_Bass> thatd probably give the hint that you want the phone to improve :D
[14:31] <dobey> Acou_Bass: sure, the donation page when downloading the ubuntu iso has that
[14:32] <Acou_Bass> ahh i thought the nornal one did too
[14:32] <mcphail> Acou_Bass: not for phone dev, as far as I can see. Best it offers is "convergence"
[14:32] <illegalprime> mcphail: I guess that's close
[14:32] <Acou_Bass> ahhh hmm
[14:32] <dobey> Acou_Bass: there's also ubuntu-donations.canonical app in the store, which doesn't provide a way to specify that, but makes it easy to donate a few specific monetary amounts
[14:32] <Acou_Bass> yeah
[14:33]  * mcphail views convergence as a "stretch goal" rather than a priority
[14:33] <dobey> mcphail: i think you got that backwards :)_
[14:33] <Acou_Bass> canonical disagrees apparently, theyve made huge leaps on the xonvergence story recently
[14:33] <dobey> pretty sure convergence is a priority
[14:33] <illegalprime> I always wondered: is it better to support development through payment or through software contributions?
[14:33] <mcphail> dobey: yes, but not for me ;)
[14:34] <Acou_Bass> what with wifi displays and stuff
[14:34] <dobey> illegalprime: yes :)
[14:34] <illegalprime> dobey: thanks. :)
[14:35] <Acou_Bass> i imagine for faster developnent, code contribution would make stuff happen faster (throeing money at devs doesnt make for faster code if theyre already working at full speed) but money is still good
[14:37] <illegalprime> My job doesn't give me a lot of free time, but I guess the real solution is a job at canonical
[14:37] <mcphail> I imagine devs work most efficiently in austere surroundings, free of the distractions of modern life, consumer goods and food. Don't donate a penny! :p
[14:38] <dobey> we need beer
[14:39] <illegalprime> mcphail: haha but sometimes that sounds nice, but just for a little bit
[14:39] <dobey> and bacon
[14:40] <ogra_> baconbeer !
[14:41] <illegalprime> So back to the important question: If I'm in the US, looking to buy the Meizu Pro 5, which is sold on joybuy.com (the only US facing store I can find), do I call Meizu or JoyBuy?
[14:42] <mcphail> illegalprime: I'd imagine the first port of call would be the distributor
[14:45] <illegalprime> mcphail: thanks, I'll give it a go. thanks everyone!
[16:29] <media1> touch screen not woking after porting sony z1 with ubuntu touch - any solution?
[16:31] <GarettMcCarty> Idk about ubuntu touch but maybe there is a solution in dsmesg?
[16:32] <GarettMcCarty> It could be a lack of driver support or it could be a udev issue i think... But i am still porting so i have no clue
[16:33] <media1> k.
[16:33] <media1> any way to add driver.
[16:34] <media1> r u porting using honami ?
[16:34] <GarettMcCarty> It would have been with the vendor or device files i believe, i just started with ubuntu touch yesterday and im still porting xD
[16:36] <media1> k.
[16:37] <media1> reply if u get the touch working.
[16:37] <media1> is your device z1
[16:38] <GarettMcCarty> No my device is the LG G4 TMO / H811 bro i did help someone yesterday though
[16:39] <GarettMcCarty> Your probably him xD
[16:39] <media1> ya its me
[16:39] <media1> ohh wow
[16:40] <media1> i just want to enter ...
[16:40] <GarettMcCarty> Can you connect to the device with adb?
[16:40] <media1> now its showing language selection and struck there
[16:40] <media1> yes
[16:41] <media1> let me try
[16:41] <GarettMcCarty> run adb shell dmesg see if it returns anything, you might have access but not sure
[16:41] <media1> usb debugging cant be accessed...
[16:42] <media1> coz touch is not working
[16:42] <GarettMcCarty> Sorry bro :( i wish i could stay and help you debug this but i gotta start work in a few minutes
[16:42] <media1> k...
[16:42] <media1> when wil u be online
[16:46] <media1> it says device not found.
[16:47] <GarettMcCarty> Ill be online in 9-10 hours
[16:48] <media1> k
[16:48] <GarettMcCarty> Wesnday and Thursday i have off so if you haven't solved it by then ill be there to help just look for GarettM or Garett McCarty
[16:48] <media1> it din work
[16:48] <media1> ok.. i wil
[16:49] <ogra_> note: it is more likely that you can catch devs here during european workdays ;)
[16:49] <GarettMcCarty> Sorry bro read up on your device wiki page on ubuntu maybe they have a solution to your problem.
[16:49] <media1> is there any other channel available
[16:49] <media1> k...
[16:49] <ogra_> media1, tyr catching mariogrip once he is around ... he does a lot of porting work
[16:50] <ogra_> (and runs the ubports.com page)
[16:50] <media1> k...thanks
[16:50] <ogra_> there is also a forum on ubports i heard
[16:51] <GarettMcCarty> Ill have to catch him to maybe i can setup a build server for official CyanogenMod ports
[16:51] <ogra_> perhaps someone there hit such an issue before
[16:51] <ogra_> usually touchscreen isnt actually a prob ... (i havent seen it not working before ... if Mir runs, the touch input usually works too)
[16:52] <media1> hmm
[16:52] <GarettMcCarty> Thats why i said its probably a udev issue
[16:52] <media1> i have some one else hav the same prob online
[16:52] <GarettMcCarty> Well off to work bros catch you later!
[16:52] <ogra_> so logs ... syslog ... the output of /system/bin/logcat, dmesg ... check them
[16:53] <ogra_> if your touchscreen needs a binary blob driver you might need to make sure that the /vendor has the needed bits
[16:53] <ogra_> *the /vendor dir
[16:54] <ogra_> that it is a missing udev rule is possible, but not really likely if you even have the UI up already
[16:56] <media1> i din undersand everything...
[16:56] <dobey> check the logs
[16:56] <media1> in  /system/bin/logcat
[16:56] <ogra_> right, start with the logs
[16:56] <media1> right???
[16:57] <ogra_> i would start with the default ubuntu logs...
[16:57] <ogra_> and if there isnt anything interesting, then run the logcat binary to get info from the android container
[16:58] <media1> ok
[17:08] <t-ask> Hi, I just look at http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices and all devices are sold out? really?  Fair enough, as the phone isn't really a mass-market device yet
[17:11] <media1> when the device is connected it says cant mount device
[17:12] <media1> is it coz of usb debugging not activated
[17:16] <t-ask> media1: maybe try another USB cable
[17:16] <media1> ok
[17:16] <t-ask> media1: I bought a cheap one and it wasn't working
[17:17] <media1> does it need usb debugging enabled
[17:17] <t-ask> media1: strange, but it turned out another cheap one did the job ,)
[17:17] <media1> ok
[17:18] <ogra_> media1, for mtp access you need to set up the right defaults in the android container at build time ... (and indeed in ubuntu mtp-server needs to run)
[17:18] <media1> hmmm
[17:18] <ogra_> there is no other USB file access implemented currently (well ... apart from adb push/pull)
[17:19] <media1> it saying waiting for device
[17:20] <ogra_> adb ?
[17:20] <ogra_> didnt you say above you had adb access working ?
[17:20] <media1> in terminal when i run adb logcat
[17:21] <media1> no it din work sorry
[17:21] <ogra_> you cant run adb logcat :)
[17:21] <ogra_> use adb shell to get in ...
[17:21] <media1> oohh
[17:22] <ogra_> then you can run /system/bin/logcat to obtain logs from inside the android container
[17:22] <ogra_> but as i said, that should be your last setp
[17:22] <ogra_> start with the typical ubuntu logs first
[17:22] <media1> ok
[17:23] <media1> just run this : /system/bin/logcat
[17:23] <ogra_> no
[17:23] <ogra_> first look at the ubuntu logs
[17:24] <media1> ok
[17:25] <ogra_> if you dont find anything in there, then check the container ... (it is more likely your issue is on the ubuntu side and that something isnt properly hooked up)
[17:25] <t-ask> I hop OTA12 fixes the video issues... it will be on wednesday right?
[17:26] <ogra_> which video issue ?
[17:26] <ogra_> (yeah, should be wed. or thu.)
[17:26] <media1> sys/bin right
[17:27] <ogra_> /var/log
[17:27] <t-ask> Can't play certain mp4 file + if clicking a video it opens Media and Galler, while Gallery is quite useless
[17:27] <ogra_> and the dmesg command
[17:28] <ogra_> t-ask, did you try opening from the video scope ?
[17:28] <t-ask> I think I did try almost everrything... w8
[17:28] <ogra_> (note that the filemanager is not really suited to open videos)
[17:29] <ogra_> (iirc there is a bug that copies them around first and such)
[17:29] <media1> var/log/dmesg
[17:29] <media1> ???
[17:30] <t-ask> ogra_: yes, I noticed, I couldn't even replay a 2GB camera recorded one
[17:30] <ogra_> the camera app should play it fine
[17:30] <t-ask> btw where are those "copies" copied to?
[17:30] <t-ask> no it didn't
[17:30] <ogra_> depends on the target app
[17:31] <t-ask> I recorded on SD and then I think it copied it to internal
[17:31] <ogra_> yeah, thats a bug
[17:31] <t-ask> and which is the target folder?
[17:31] <ogra_> the camera app itself should be able to play it from its builtin gallery though
[17:31] <t-ask> I guess it must be fiull of stuff now
[17:33] <ogra_> well, it depends what apps were involved
[17:34] <t-ask> Media, Galler, Camera ... I have nothing speacila on this
[17:34] <t-ask> I just know watching with Media took minutes to load somehing
[17:34] <t-ask> and even didn't work at all
[17:36] <ogra_> well, each app has its own workdir
[17:36] <t-ask> Is there a button for "delete caches tmp folders"
[17:36] <ogra_> so it would be copied to that
[17:36] <ogra_> usually somewher in ~/.local or ~/.cache
[17:36] <t-ask> ok file manager doesn't show hidden files
[17:37] <ogra_> there is an option in the settings
[17:37] <t-ask> why aren't apps forced to cache in /tmp?
[17:37] <ogra_> (might be that you need to unlock it first)
[17:37] <ogra_> because tmp isnt safe
[17:37] <dobey> you mean content-hub copies files around?
[17:37] <dobey> well, tmp is also RAM
[17:37] <ogra_> all apps could see stuff from other apps
[17:38] <ogra_> dobey, it does ... when file-manager is involved
[17:38] <ogra_> old bug
[17:38] <ogra_> i have never seen a video not play back when played directly from the camera app though
[17:38] <dobey> ogra_: i mean, doesn't the same issue exist when sharing something via content-hub to a webapp or such?
[17:39] <ogra_> dobey, depends ... if there is a mediascanner entry that can be used, i think that should just be taken
[17:39] <ogra_> i forgot how that worked ...
[17:39] <ogra_> to long ag that i have seen phone code :P
[17:43] <media1> var/log/dmesg right
[17:45] <media1> hi <ogra>
[17:52] <media1> i din get the logs
 can u tell the process once more
[18:03] <media1> i cant access the device
[18:03] <media1> its connected to pc
[18:03] <media1> while connecting it says unable to mount
[18:06] <media1> can it be done in fastboot mode
[18:13] <ogra_> media1, how did you even get that running if you dont have adb access ?
[18:14] <ogra_> doing a port without adb to debug the initrd issues and other stuff to get the UI up is nearly impossible
[18:14] <media1> ok
[18:15] <media1> after flashing cant do the setting coz touch wont work
[18:15] <ogra_> how did you build what you flashed ?
[18:15] <ogra_> and how did you manage to make it bring the UI up ?
[18:15] <media1> its in language selection screen
[18:16] <ogra_> yes, you said that multiple times
[18:16] <media1> fastboot method
[18:16] <ogra_> ok, and how did you build the images for this ?
[18:17] <ogra_> normally a new port doesnt "simply boot" that takes weeks of work
[18:17] <media1> i got it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/minato
[18:17] <ogra_> oh
[18:18] <ogra_> thats probably a very early proof of concept image this uses
[18:18] <media1> hmm???
[18:19] <ogra_> ah, no.., thats from ondra ...
[18:19] <ogra_> so why dont you talk to him then ;)
[18:19] <media1> can i???
[18:20] <media1> how???
[18:20] <ogra_> (i didnt know there was a recent sony port public ... the ones i know are 3 years old and total rubbish)
[18:20] <ogra_> media1, heis in this channel ... but probably not around at this time ...
[18:20] <ogra_> just try to catch him during european work hours
[18:21] <media1> ohhh really
[18:21] <media1> his nickname is ondra
[18:21] <ogra_> yes ;)
[18:21] <media1> ok
[18:21] <media1> can i ask u one more thing
[18:22] <media1> this phone i flashed hav a problem of shutting down . saying high temperature
[18:22] <ogra_> did you use his pre-built images or did you build them following the instructions ?
[18:22] <ogra_> yes, the wiki says that power management doesnt work
[18:23] <media1> no not tht
[18:23] <ogra_> see the known issues at the bottom
[18:23] <media1> before flashing
[18:23] <ogra_> power handling/BT/camera/MHL/calls do not work
[18:23] <media1> so i tried with cynogenmod.
[18:23] <media1> but still shuts down
[18:24] <media1> but in linux on the language screen it never shuts down
[18:24] <ogra_> no idea, might be the recovery you use brings it to a state where it doesnt do any cpu preqiency scaling or some such
[18:24] <media1> even its hot
[18:24] <media1> ok
[18:24] <ogra_> (when it gets hot before flashing)
[18:25] <media1> yes shuts down
[18:25] <media1> cant even rechareg
[18:25] <ogra_> yes, thats also described there
[18:25] <media1> so this phone was not usable
[18:25] <media1> before
[18:25] <media1> now it working fine
[18:25] <media1> but cant enter lol
[18:26] <ogra_> well, wait for ondra ... he might be around tomorrow during the day
[18:26] <media1> now whats the time there
[18:27] <ogra_> iirc he should be in london currently ... 19:30 ...
[18:27] <media1> its 12 am here
[18:28] <ogra_> you could also write a mail to the mailing list ... which makes the conversation a bit more async :)
[18:28] <media1> ok
[18:29] <media1> i din get the mail id
[18:29] <media1> is it listed there
[18:29] <ogra_> wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch ...
[18:30] <ogra_> go to the launchpad group and join it
[18:30] <ogra_> thenn you are subscribed to the list
[18:30] <JanC> I wish there would be a mailman list...  :-(
[18:31] <ogra_> well, it is actually mailman
[18:31] <ogra_> just using a launchpad frontend
[18:32] <dobey> indeed
[18:32] <dobey> in fact, most of launchpad has an e-mail API
[18:32] <JanC> last time I was subscribed to a launchpad ML it was all broken (wrong defaults that you couldn't change etc.)
[18:32] <dobey> JanC: well that doesn't mean it's not mailman. :)
[18:33] <JanC> using mailman isn't useful if you use it wrong  :)
[18:36] <dobey> eh, mailman configuration is like religion. it's almost always wrong :)
[18:36]  * dobey blames barry
[18:36] <dobey> barry, who isn't here
[18:36] <ogra_> yeah, probably at the sprint
[18:37]  * dobey misses being at sprints
[18:37] <ogra_> (and given that it is 20:37, there is probably beer time now)
[18:38] <JanC> IIRC when people did reply-to-all instead of reply-to-list you wouldn't get the list-mail or something like that
[18:44] <dobey> yeah, i think that's how it works
[18:45] <mcphail> too many clients don't offer reply to list these days
[18:46] <dobey> too many people still use e-mail these days
[18:46] <media1> i made an account...
[18:46] <media1> still i ill be waiting for him here...
[18:47] <media1> thanks <ogra> for ur time
[18:47] <media1> :)
[18:49] <ogra_> np
[18:50] <ogra_> JanC, and if emacs was vim we'd all use emacs :P
[18:50]  * ogra_ likes that he can do personal replies without accidentially replying to the list ... thanks to that setup
[18:52] <JanC> eh? if I want to reply to a person I just do reply
[18:53] <JanC> the problem is that it breaks my mailing list filters
[18:53] <dobey> yeah, reply to all goes to the list anyway
[18:53] <dobey> it's just that you don't get two e-mails when people reply to you
[18:54] <dobey> ie, the list sees you're in the to/cc line, and you're also a list member, so it doesn't send you a copy of the mail you were sent directly
[18:54]  * ogra_ doesnt get two
[18:54] <JanC> except mailman sends the one without list-id header
[18:54] <dobey> mailman doesn't send one at all
[18:54] <JanC> with the launchpad config
[18:54] <ogra_> and my filtering works also fine ...
[18:54] <ogra_> but then i filter since a long time based on LP headers
[18:55] <dobey> i solved it mostly by just not replying to mailing lists unless i feel the need to do so
[18:55] <ogra_> i always use ctrl-l
[18:55] <ogra_> :)
[18:56] <dobey> fwiw, lp behaves the same as another mailman list i admin which isn't on lp. so i don't think i'd blame lp for those defaults.
[18:56] <JanC> dobey: except when the users have access to the mailman web UI, they can change that themselves
[18:57] <JanC> users = subscribers
[18:58] <dobey> soylent green is users
[18:59] <ogra_> yum yum yum
[20:12] <GarettMcCarty> Lunch!!
[23:05] <GarettMcCarty> I see to much quitters here
[23:09] <GarettMcCarty> So people here is my progress i have none of the files listed in vendorblobs.mk so my solution is to remove that file for the makefile then rerun build -j8 when i get it to build will it even boot or will it go retarded because it expects those files? I also removed all the lib64 libraries
[23:10] <GarettMcCarty> I mean i have some but not all* loll xD
[23:16] <ujwal> I am trying to build and flash Ubuntu touch
[23:17] <GarettMcCarty> What device?
[23:19] <ujwal> when I try to use rootsock installer shell script to flash system.img in ubuntu recovery it says "Error: device not found"
[23:19] <ujwal> device is Nexsus 4
[23:19] <GarettMcCarty> I have no clue what rootsock is why not just use fastboot mode?
[23:22] <ujwal> but this built system.img is only 80MB  which is andriod system image but actual system.img is 480MB includes system.img [ubuntu rootfs+ andriod ]
[23:24] <GarettMcCarty> Hmm interesting no clue but that 80mb is probably an error loll
[23:25] <ujwal> oh ok so where would i have gone wrong in building it
[23:27] <GarettMcCarty> I would make clean then rebuild it you can try to flash it and see if it works, but isnt there supposed to be 2 files a boot.img and system.imh
[23:27] <GarettMcCarty> system.img* damn phone
[23:28] <ujwal>  yes I have many .img files in that boot.img, recovery.img and system.img files are there
[23:28] <GarettMcCarty> Do a clean build and flash them
[23:29] <ujwal> oh ok
[23:30] <ujwal> can you guide me with any links which can help me in building this image [just to keep track of how my build steps should be]
[23:31] <GarettMcCarty> do you have all the sources? I started learning how yesterday loll
[23:32] <ujwal> lol
[23:32] <ujwal> I have only this link [https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/]
[23:32] <GarettMcCarty> Step one gather sources
[23:32] <GarettMcCarty> Whats your device?
[23:32] <ujwal> Nexus 4
[23:33] <GarettMcCarty> Oh yeah stupid...
[23:34] <GarettMcCarty> I have no clue with your device
[23:35] <ujwal> well how are you starting?
[23:37] <GarettMcCarty> I searched for android_device_lge_h811 on github found the device repo then cloned it to device/lge/h811 then read the cm.dependencies manually and cloned those repositories manually to there path, each repo cloned if a cm.dependencies existed i would repeat :(
[23:40] <ujwal> oh ok I am newbie in this so im blindly following the steps given in the above link mentioned
[23:44] <GarettMcCarty> Lmfao xD
[23:46] <ujwal> gtg bye Garret
[23:47] <GarettMcCarty> Bye


[11:48] <rick_h_> morning
[13:32] <frankban> guihelp: I need reviews + QA for a quick branch: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/626
[13:32] <kadams54> frankban: checking
[13:32] <frankban> ty
[13:55] <kadams54> guihelp: I need a QA on a WIP: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/625 - no need for a review yet.
[13:55] <rick_h_> frankban: able to peek at ^ ?
[14:05] <frankban> rick_h_: sure
[14:32] <rick_h_> hatch: around?
[14:32] <hatch> yeah sorry just having technical issues
[14:32] <hatch> almost back up
[14:32] <rick_h_> hatch: oh party
[14:33] <hatch> apple quality and all that
[14:33] <rick_h_> hah
[14:34] <hatch> ok good enough
[14:34] <hatch> wassssuuupppp:
[14:34] <hatch> ?
[14:34] <rick_h_> hatch: I want demo url calls to the gui from your branch to put into the card to update the storefront
[14:34] <rick_h_> hatch: and then wondered if your branch was ok to land then?
[14:34] <hatch> I am still fighting with some tests but the code is stable
[14:35] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, can you give me a sample bundle and charm url to put into the card for the other guys?
[14:35] <hatch> so we could land it as is
[14:35] <hatch> yup
[14:35] <hatch> sec
[14:35] <rick_h_> nah, tests need love too. Take your time
[14:35] <rick_h_> just want to make sure I've got the work laid out
[14:35] <hatch> ?text=apache&deploy-target=bundle:elasticsearch/15/cluster
[14:35] <hatch> ?deploy-target=cs:precise/apache2-25
[14:36] <hatch> the first one shows that it's also functional with other query params
[14:36] <hatch> top one bundle, second charm
[14:37] <rick_h_> ty much
[14:48] <kadams54> frankban: thanks for the QA!
[14:48] <frankban> kadams54: np, looking at the code now
[14:52] <rick_h_> jujugui call in 10 kanban please
[14:54] <jcastro> rick_h_,
[14:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: party
[14:54] <jcastro> for tags, in the metadata.yaml, is it "tag: foo, bar, baz" or "tags: foo, bar, baz"
[14:54] <jcastro> writing up the docs for tags now
[14:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: exact same as categories
[14:54] <rick_h_> just s/categories/tags
[14:54] <jcastro> ok but tags with an s right
[14:54]  * rick_h_ double checks
[14:54] <jcastro> that's what I wanted to doublecheck
[14:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes, with an s
[14:58] <jcastro> how do you want people to define multiple ones
[14:58] <jcastro> commas or a list like we do with categories?
[14:58] <rick_h_> a list is great
[14:59] <jcastro> ok, one more question, how do I explain freeform?
[14:59] <jcastro> do I say "also feel free to just make up your own but these are the default ones" or something?
[14:59] <rick_h_> I thought we weren't doing freeform atm
[14:59] <rick_h_> just starting with the white listed set and others would be ignored
[15:00] <jcastro> ok
[16:39] <hatch> how the heck do I change the time in Ubuntu? lol When I change it in the time control panel it never changes it just stays at the old value
[17:25] <hatch> Webstorm 9 sure has some awesome looking features for FE/js dev
[17:25] <hatch> not sure I want yet another IDE
[17:25] <hatch> though
[17:35] <hatch> oh our test suite
[17:35] <hatch> AssertionError: expected { opt1: 'opt1default' } to equal { opt1: 'opt1default' }
[18:30] <rharper> Hi Folks,  I heard that there was a tool that would take a bundle yaml file and generate a png juju-gui style with the charm icons and relations  -- anyone here heard of that ?
[18:37] <rick_h_> rharper: https://github.com/juju/jujusvg is the work in progress. It's not 100% ready yet
[18:38] <rharper> rick_h_: cool, thanks!
[18:38] <rick_h_> rharper: but it's what we want to build out to do that
[19:15] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: tags. Are they going to be in metadata or only in the charm store?
[19:16] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: in the metadata
[19:16] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: s/categories/tags in the metadata done
[19:16] <marcoceppi> why
[19:16] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: well, except for the list of tags we support
[19:16] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: huh?
[19:16] <marcoceppi> well, if it's living in the metadata why even bother renaming
[19:17] <marcoceppi> secondly, it totally shouldn't live in the metadata at all, to add a new tag I have to rev the charm
[19:17] <marcoceppi> seems so silly
[19:17] <rick_h_> because it's added to bundles and the naming in the UI is tags now so the idea is to use a consistent term from UI, bundle.yaml, and metadata.yaml
[19:17] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ok, but when you fork a charm does a tag still apply?
[19:17] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so when you fork/push we want those to carry through so having them in the metadata makes sense
[19:17] <marcoceppi> I was hoping we could use tags for additionaly bits
[19:18] <rick_h_> 'additionaly bits'?
[19:18] <marcoceppi> additional bits
[19:18] <marcoceppi> god I wish I can remember who I was talking to who said this was going to live in store
[19:18] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so tags turn into clickable searches in the UI
[19:19] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so the idea is tags are a more fleshed out category idea that's limited at first to a sec of approved 'searches' and over time we'd allow more freeform when we can help guide users like stackoverflow tags
[19:19] <rick_h_>  s/sec/set
[19:19] <rick_h_> I'm not sure what 'additional bits' you were thinking?
[19:19] <marcoceppi> right, so tags and question edits are decoupled
[19:20] <marcoceppi> editing a tag on a question does not rev the question
[19:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: understood, but you also don't fork a question and want to keep the tags on the followup
[19:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: I can see it both ways, the way we're going for helps one case vs the other.
[19:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: we can look at adding tags as live updatable metadata, we've got longer term plans for that, description/etc in the future
[19:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: but for now, they're in the metadata.yaml
[19:21] <marcoceppi> had I known this was the course of action I would have been more vocal about it earlier
[19:21] <marcoceppi> oh well.
[19:22] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: sorry man, we can look at things after the fact, but days before launch is a bit short to rethink it.
[19:23] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: if there's a communication lesson we can learn from this please let me know.
[19:23] <marcoceppi> I know it is, I'm just sad I misunderstood the change
[19:23] <marcoceppi> and wanted to clarify before making changes to charm proof
[19:33] <jrwren> marcoceppi: was it me? an admin can put any metadata one wants in the store in a place we call extra-info
[19:42] <rharper> rick_h_: looking at the jujusvg repo,  I need to write out that simple go program from the readme to have it generate the svg?
[19:44] <rick_h_> Makyo: can you help rharper put together a quick something to try out using the jujusvg stuff? ^
[19:45] <Makyo> rharper, correct.  jujusvg is meant to be a library - something can read a bundle and pass it to NewFromBundle and receive an SVG in return.
[19:46] <rick_h_> Makyo: I've rharper it's not quite ready yet as a cli tool, but if you can help him put together a pastebin script with a couple of steps to try it out that'd be great.
[19:46] <rharper> yeah, that'd be very helpful
[19:47] <Makyo> rharper, rick_h_ Sure, let me pull something together real quick.
[19:48]  * rick_h_ goes afk for a bit
[19:56] <hatch> jujugui looking for reviews and qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/624 thanks
[20:19] <Makyo> rharper, https://gist.github.com/makyo/3a5e4428dc2351115a26 I've pulled together a sample program that uses the jujusvg library and a sample bundle that you can run that program on.  You should be able to type `go get -u -v -t github.com/juju/jujusvg/...` then `go run 00-svg-test.go` and as long as bundle.yaml is in the same directory, it should build the SVG for you.
[20:20] <rharper> Makyo: very coo;
[20:22] <hatch> Makyo:  got a second to join a chat?
[20:22] <Makyo> rharper, the readme on jujusvg is out of date, it appears.  I'll update that.
[20:22] <Makyo> hatch, surew
[20:22] <hatch> in standup
[20:23] <rharper> Makyo: yeah, was just hacking through that looking at the svgjuju test.go
[20:23] <rharper> when I put my openstack bundle through it, it says, at least one service must be specified ... any idea what that means?
[20:24] <rharper> Makyo: this is my bundle: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8631892/
[20:27] <Makyo> rharper, it looks like this was generated by hand, or at least without the GUI.  Since it does not have position annotations, jujusvg will, by default, stack the services on top of each other.  The GUI uses a circle-packing algorithm to position services without position annotations, but jujusvg doesn't yet know how to do that
[20:27] <rharper> Makyo: ok, I have another that I exported fro juju gui and it says the same thing
[20:28] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8631918/
[20:29] <rharper> Makyo: that last one, I can export from gui, import back into gui fine, but running on the svg tool says
[20:29] <rharper> 2014/10/22 15:29:25 Error generating canvas: cannot verify bundle: at least one service must be specified
[20:31] <Makyo> rharper, ahah, there is work currently in the GUI to export a bundle without the old "basket" syntax.  You can fix that simply in the bundle.yaml file by removing the top-level yaml node (env-export) and dedenting everything once below it.  There's a sea-change on how bundles are handled throughout the juju ecosystem
[20:31] <rharper> ok, lemme try that
[20:33] <rharper> Makyo: that fixed it, but the icons aren't there (viewing svg via eog)
[20:33] <rharper> just the lines
[20:34] <Makyo> rharper, try with $BROWSER; the svg renders the icons as images with references as URLs, so it will only work with internet-aware viewers
[20:34] <rharper> yeah, I see that
[20:34] <rharper> interesting
[20:34] <Makyo> In the future, we may include the icon SVGs when possible as SVG <ref>s, though that will make for a very big SVG
[20:34] <rharper> Makyo: nice
[20:35] <rharper> any way to get the service name too ?
[20:36] <Makyo> rharper, not yet, unfortunately.  jujusvg is pretty new.
[20:36] <rharper> ok
[20:39] <rharper> Makyo: yeah, would be nice to have it handle the current jujugui export (ie, throw away the top level to find services), write the service name;  and since I'm asking for ponies, emit out a png so I can put these in slides and other stuff showing the bundles off.
[20:39] <rharper> Makyo: thank you for putting that together quickly, that helps
[20:39] <hatch> PONIES!!!
[20:40]  * hatch might land an easter egg in the GUI in which a pony walks across the screen
[20:40] <Makyo> rharper, np.  For the first part, jujugui will start exporting the new format $soon (hatch, right?), and the PNG work will be coming up $later, as we'll be adding the ability to email a bundle with a preview png
[20:40] <rharper> very nice
[20:41] <hatch> Makyo: there is a new export format? :)
[20:41] <Makyo> hatch, I thought that was part of the work for Ben, may be wrong.
[20:41] <Makyo> I'll go back to my code cage, if so.
[20:42] <hatch> Makyo: ohh that was to support multiple relation endpoints on a single endpoint
[20:42]  * Makyo goes back to code cage u.u
[20:42] <hatch> lol
[20:42] <Makyo> hatch, just means getting rid of the 'env-export' top level YAML node
[20:43] <hatch> ohh - yeah i'd love to get rid of that
[21:23] <hatch> jujugui I stll need some reviews and qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/624
[21:59] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:31] <rick_h_> morning huwshimi
[23:31] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey :)


[00:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjdk-lts [source] (cosmic-proposed) [11~28-3ubuntu2]
[01:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: trojita (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.7-0ubuntu1 => 0.7-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[01:32] <tsimonq2> >_>
[01:32]  * tsimonq2 points at WillMoogle
[01:32] <tsimonq2> er
[01:32] <tsimonq2> I mean, wxl
[01:32]  * tsimonq2 kicks irssi
[01:57] <tsimonq2> calamares-settings-ubuntu is slideshow updates for Lubuntu and installer bugfixes.
[01:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/universe) [23 => 24] (lubuntu)
[02:00] <tsimonq2> So, we found out the hard way that libfm-qt and pcmanfm-qt are so tightly integrated that pcmanfm-qt segfaults if it isn't rebuilt after libfm-qt. No-change rebuild incoming, approval would be appreciated.
[02:00] <tsimonq2> (Bad upstream is bad.)
[02:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pcmanfm-qt (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.13.0-2ubuntu1 => 0.13.0-2ubuntu2] (lubuntu)
[02:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: papirus-icon-theme (cosmic-proposed/universe) [20180816-1 => 20181007-1] (lubuntu) (sync)
[02:32] <tsimonq2> Last minute sync of the Papirus icon theme but it really makes a lot of icons look much, much better. I'd argue ot should go in before release (and it shouldn't require an FFe, it's just icons).
[02:37] <tsimonq2> vorlon: fuse-umfuse-ext2> . - please help it get through queues.
[02:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fuse-umfuse-ext2 (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.4-1.1ubuntu0.1 => 0.4-1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[02:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fuse-umfuse-ext2 (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4-1.1ubuntu0.1 => 0.4-1.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[02:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fuse-umfuse-ext2 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4-1.1ubuntu1]
[05:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-docs [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.10.2]
[05:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mokutil (cosmic-proposed/main) [0.3.0+1538710437.fb6250f-0ubuntu1 => 0.3.0+1538710437.fb6250f-0ubuntu2] (core)
[05:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-user-docs [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1+git20181009-0ubuntu1]
[05:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mokutil [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.0+1538710437.fb6250f-0ubuntu2]
[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure-edge [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-1002.2~18.04.1]
[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-38.41]
[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1023.24]
[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-38.41]
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: 389-ds-base (cosmic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted 389-ds-base [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[07:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-user-docs (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.0-1ubuntu1 => 3.30.1+git20181009-0ubuntu1] (personal-gunnarhj, ubuntu-desktop)
[08:06] <seb128> could someone let thunderbird in cosmic? that's the sort of upload that isn't going to get a full diff review anyway so no point holding because it's difficult to review, just ack it :-)
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libgd2 (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.2.5-4ubuntu1 => 2.2.5-4.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: remmina (cosmic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-1ubuntu1 => 1.2.32+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zenity (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.28.1-1 => 3.30.0-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[08:20] <Laney> vorlon: did you want to reject the xorg intel driver or not?
[08:24] <acheronuk> [08:22] <handsome_feng> Hi, I noticed that the seeds of ubuntukylin.cosmic in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ didn't updated after I modified the git branch(lp:~ubuntukylin-members/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntukylin), Does anyone know what's the problem? Or what am I missing?
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, vorlon, note that according to the archive rebuild the current version of that package ftbfs in cosmic (coincidence I was just starting a local build to see if that's still true)
[08:24] <acheronuk> ^^ from #ubuntu-flavours
[08:24] <seb128> I'm not saying that the update does resolve the build issue/is the right fix
[08:24] <seb128> just as a point of info
[08:24] <acheronuk> could someone perhaps see why those kylin seeds are not updating?
[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libclc (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.2.0+git20180917-1 => 0.2.0+git20180917-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libclc [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.2.0+git20180917-2]
[08:35] <seb128> Laney, vorlon, tjaalton, so yeah, current -intel driver ftbfs, the new snapshot from debian fixes the build issue ... not saying it's enough of a reason to accept the sync, but if we don't then we need to fix the build by another upload
[08:36] <Laney> seb128: ok, well I'll let vorlon weigh that comment
[08:36] <Laney> 10/10 20:09:01 <vorlon> tjaalton: xserver-xorg-video-intel doesn't look risk-free to me, the upstream snapshot seems to include changes unrelated to any bugs you've identified in the changelog as needing fixing
[08:36] <Laney> that was the previous remark
[08:36] <seb128> right, I saw
[08:36] <Laney> just ftr
[08:36] <seb128> and Timo pointed out that -intel is not being used on lot of cards nowadays, just on old legacy hardware
[08:36] <seb128> but yeah, I'm out of that call/decision
[08:36] <tjaalton> I'll check the build issue
[08:36] <seb128> I just now the intel ftbfs is on our trello :)
[08:38] <seb128> tjaalton, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/391448820/buildlog_ubuntu-cosmic-i386.xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3A2.99.917+git20171229-1build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:38] <seb128> "../../../src/sna/sna_render_inline.h:40:26: error: inlining failed in call to always_inline ‘vertex_emit_2s’: target specific option mismatch"
[08:40] <tjaalton> latest debian version has a pach for gcc8
[08:42] <tjaalton> and works
[08:44] <Laney> :>
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xserver-xorg-video-intel (cosmic-proposed/main) [2:2.99.917+git20171229-1build1 => 2:2.99.917+git20171229-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, xorg)
[08:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-apt (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.7.0~rc1 => 1.7.0] (core) (sync)
[08:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1023.24~16.04.1] (kernel)
[08:55] <seb128> tjaalton, thx :) at least the build fix can go in while Steve is pondering what to do with the new snapshot ;)
[08:56] <tjaalton> it was rejected
[08:58] <seb128> ah, good
[09:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-1023.24~16.04.1]
[09:02] <Laney> it was left in the queue
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted calamares-settings-ubuntu [source] (cosmic-proposed) [24]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted epiphany-browser [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-user-docs [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1+git20181009-0ubuntu1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gst-python1.0 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.14.4-1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted papirus-icon-theme [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [20181007-1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pcmanfm-qt [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.13.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted trojita [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7-0ubuntu2]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted clamav [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.100.2+dfsg-0ubuntu1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gst-libav1.0 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+git20180723+db823502-2]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted partman-partitioning [source] (cosmic-proposed) [120ubuntu2]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zenity [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-software [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.2-0ubuntu3]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted thunderbird [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gstreamer-editing-services1.0 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.14.4-1]
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected libgd2 [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.5-4.1]
[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xserver-xorg-video-intel [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2:2.99.917+git20171229-1ubuntu1]
[09:07] <Laney> remmina to me feels like it should have had an FFe
[09:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-apt [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.7.0]
[09:07] <Laney> and I'm not sure about u-r-u, I guess mainly because of the late addition of new strings that won't be translated
[09:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: osinfo-db (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.20180929-1 => 0.20180929-1ubuntu1] (ubuntugnome)
[09:07] <Laney> the other three are my uploads and intel is hanging there as discussed above
[09:08] <Laney> opinions / reviews from other release team members welcome please
[09:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted osinfo-db [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.20180929-1ubuntu1]
[09:15] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, ^remmina ffe comment, looking a tthe NEWS indeed it was non-bugfix-only changes
[09:22] <apw> Laney, on u-r-u i am confused why it is not just saying if /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs exists then we should reboot
[09:23] <apw> Laney, before upgrading ... seems odd to single out only libc6
[09:26] <apw> Laney, and even if the reasons is only libc, it really ought to use more general language so it doesn't need to be translated again and again
[09:26] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, what in particular is your concern? I'm missing what new feature are you referring to
[09:27] <Laney> apw: Right, I think it might actually be valuable to do it for any reboot-required reason probably.
[09:27] <Laney> also, shelling out to grep when it could be done in python
[09:27] <LocutusOfBorg> a new plugin is usually something that doesn't introduce regressions, and new error checks are not exactly new features :)
[09:28] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, I'm not r-t member, was just pinging you from L_aney's comment before
[09:28] <LocutusOfBorg> "Add option to honour https_proxy and http_proxy environment variable." <-- this is what I call "bug fix", not honouring proxy settings in 2018 is... strange
[09:29] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... got it :)
[09:29] <Laney> new preferences, allowing wayland again, a new plugin ...
[09:29] <Laney> come on
[09:29] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, feel free to reject it, if you feel like it is not worth the effort
[09:29] <Laney> I feel like introducing new features should be explicitly tested
[09:29] <LocutusOfBorg> wayland is only with good enough gtk
[09:29] <Laney> so, thanks
[09:30] <Laney> we have that gtk version
[09:30] <LocutusOfBorg> damn :/ how dumb was my check, against gtk+2 :/
[09:31] <LocutusOfBorg> "2.24 < 2.27" I seriously need eyeglasses
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted plymouth [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.9.3-1ubuntu10]
[09:31] <Laney> heh
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected remmina [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.2.32+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[09:31] <LocutusOfBorg> (wayland is not enabled because of control file, but meh)
[09:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I even went to gtk website to find how was it possible to have 2.27 release after all those years, and I only found a git repo
[09:33] <apw> Laney, so am i right this gnome-terminal thing is sorting our unified menus ?
[09:34] <apw> oh just makes it changable back to default
[09:34] <LocutusOfBorg> can llvm-toolchain-7 be hinted? the autopkgtests are an ongoing effort, for some reasons they passed locally, but I need probably new dependencies, and I don't want to loose all this builders time to have it in cosmic
[09:34] <Laney> apw: We had a similar thing already, it mainly changes how that works a bit so people can override it if they want
[09:34] <Laney> the s390x thing is interesting too since we removed gnome-shell there
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openscap [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.2.8-1ubuntu0.1]
[09:35] <Laney> also, for u-r-u I'll comment on the bug and safety reject it, someone else could fish it out of that queue if they wanted to
[09:35] <apw> Laney, ack
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-terminal [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vte2.91 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.54.1-1ubuntu1]
[09:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:18.10.11]
[09:43] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-October/004614.html
[09:43] <Laney> why isn't gnome-shell Provides: notification-daemon enough?
[09:44] <apw> hmmm, does seem odd
[10:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: thunderbird [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-castellan (cosmic-proposed/main) [0.19.0-0ubuntu1 => 0.19.0-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: barbican (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:7.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:7.0.0-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[11:25] <jamespage> hi release team - ^^ those two uploads backport a couple of small features that we need to integrate vault with barbican nicely
[11:26] <jamespage> I've tested and documented in the bug reports
[11:36] <apw> jamespage, and these don't need an FFe ?
[12:30] <jamespage> apw: most likely yes
[12:32] <jamespage> apw: I'll add the minor missing parts to the two feature bug reports
[12:35] <jamespage> apw: tbh I think I've covered the required parts "testing including, builds (see PPA), installs and upgrades (see testing notes) and does not break packages which depend on it (castellan and barbican covered under same bug)"
[12:38] <jamespage> documented in bugs explicitly as per FFe requirements, and ubuntu-release subscribed
[12:39] <jamespage> I've not done one of those for a while...
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: exim4 (bionic-proposed/main) [4.90.1-1ubuntu1 => 4.90.1-1ubuntu1.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.6 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.7] (core)
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.93.7 => 1.93.8] (core)
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: thunderbird [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: thunderbird [i386] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: thunderbird [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dds (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.9.0-3 => 2.9.0-5] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dds [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.9.0-5]
[13:14] <cyphermox> hi, whomever promoted shim-signed to bionic-updates, please also promote shim
[13:14] <cyphermox> (the two must go together)
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: duplicity (cosmic-proposed/main) [0.7.17-0ubuntu1 => 0.7.17-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:28] <cyphermox> rbasak: sil2100: ^
[13:28] <sil2100> Ah, uh
[13:28] <sil2100> I didn't?!
[13:28] <apw> not me
[13:28] <sil2100> Ah, duh
[13:29] <rbasak> It wasn't me.
[13:29] <sil2100> cyphermox: apologies for that, it didn't have a bug so my brain missed it
[13:29] <sil2100> Even though it's completely logical
[13:29] <TJ-> sil2100: thanks - that'll keep a user happy. Was seeing "shim-signed" in "apt list --upgradeable" but the package wasn't offered for upgrade by apt
[13:30] <rbasak> smoser had a branch to prevent such accidents. I don't see what happened to it.
[13:30] <rbasak> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu-archive-tools/package-sets/+merge/348334
[13:30] <rbasak> Merged
[13:30] <cyphermox> I was about to ask about that, should be easy to write a warning to avoid this
[13:30] <rbasak> Is your ubuntu-archive-tools up to date sil2100?
[13:31] <rbasak> Ah
[13:31] <rbasak> shim and shim-signed need adding to the list.
[13:31] <cyphermox> yup
[13:31] <sil2100> seb128: hey! I'm going to request a full translation export and then a new base upload - I saw that you mentioned issues with the gnome translations, are you good now in case we do an export soon?
[13:31] <sil2100> rbasak: I thought mine was
[13:32] <cyphermox> sil2100: fwiw, not entirely your fault, shim didn't have any bugs linked to it either -- and I'm going to avoid that from now on by requiring a bug prior to any upload of shim to devel
[13:33] <cyphermox> (since we copy shim across releases, etc.)
[13:37] <seb128> sil2100, hey, I guess so, dunno who changed those settings but it screwed thing. I think I'm going to fix as much as I plan to do before cosmic, it's tedious work and we are not going to reupload all GNOME now (and import seem fine in most case, it seems the setting didn't change so long ago)
[13:40] <smoser> yeah, the goal of that branch was that it if you tried to release grub2 without grub2-signed it would exit failure
[13:40] <smoser> if you had > revision 1180, i'd like to figure out what you did do that didn't trip it.
[13:42] <sil2100> smoser: it was about shim and shim-signed, apparently that's not added to the list
[13:42] <sil2100> duh
[13:42] <smoser> ah. well lets add them.
[13:42] <smoser> if they do in fact have to be released together.
[13:46] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu-archive-tools/shim-signed/+merge/356578
[13:47] <cyphermox> smoser: thanks
[13:49] <apw> smoser, hmmm, those groups are not series specific, which in fact a number of the sets are
[13:49] <apw> like linux
[13:49] <smoser> apw: improvements are welcome.
[13:49] <smoser> the ones listed there are to my knowledge *not* release specific
[13:50] <smoser> but you're right there are some such things that are, and thus cannot be modelled by the current implementation
[13:50] <smoser> but, the current implementation will stop some stable release breakages.
[13:50] <smoser> and no implementation due to lack of perfection will not.
[13:50] <apw> linux only works because we only have linux and linux-meta in there; which leaves out the actual kernel in half the series :)
[13:50] <smoser> i agree that it can/should be improved
[13:51] <apw> smoser, all true, i'll try and fix it to add series support, and to sync the kernel sets from our tools
[13:51] <smoser> that woudl be great.
[13:52] <smoser> there are some tests that i added. you can run the thing as : ./sru-requests run-tests
[13:52] <smoser> there was no other test suite in any of that, so thats the "just fix my thing" hack-job that i put in
[13:52] <apw> smoser, ahh that is how you run those
[13:53] <apw> smoser, i am used to finding a test_sru-release.py to test it, that all looks sensible
[13:55] <smoser> tox and pycodestyle on those scripts woulc be wonderful.
[13:55] <smoser> and some sort of enforcement :)
[13:55] <smoser> but see the hole you go down... thus the hack.
[14:18] <sil2100> seb128: ok, thanks!
[14:18] <sil2100> I'll be requesting a new export shortly, still some time left for the languagepack deadline
[14:19] <seb128> technically the schedule says the freeze is today
[14:20] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseSchedule states 9pm UTC is the usual time
[14:20] <seb128> so an export after 9pm sounds like it would be right
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bind9 (bionic-proposed/main) [1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.2 => 1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.3] (core)
[14:28] <sil2100> Yeah, will be running it around my EOD
[14:29] <sil2100> I won't be probably waiting till exact 21 UTC as it's not a hard requirement as far as I know and well, I doubt there's much going on anyway
[14:30] <sil2100> Since I want to be sure the export finishes around tomorrow before afternoon so that the language-packs are all uploaded and ready for the evening
[14:31]  * sil2100 is updating now some non-langpack translations
[14:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-settings-daemon (cosmic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-38.41~16.04.1] (kernel)
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-38.41~16.04.1] (kernel)
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (cosmic-proposed/main) [142 => 143] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[14:56] <vorlon> Laney: xorg intel> well, I wasn't rejecting it outright, but I wasn't planning to accept it
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-38.41~16.04.1]
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-38.41~16.04.1]
[15:12] <Laney> haha
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: thunderbird [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-7 (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:7-5ubuntu1 => 1:7-5ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[15:32] <vorlon> acheronuk, handsome_feng: the seeds mirror isn't updating because the script that does the mirroring expects all the source branches to be there and errors out if any have gone missing, and doesn't notify us.  Because lubuntu is aggressive about removing branches for unsupported releases, it was falling over due to artful EOL and I've updated lp:ubuntu-archive-scripts for this.  It looks like there
[15:32] <vorlon> are still other failures that I'm looking into.
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.7]
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.93.8]
[15:36] <vorlon> darkxst: please move all ubuntu-gnome seed branches for supported releases to git, instead of straddling git+bzr.  (trusty is missing from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-gnome and I will need to disable it from the mirror script)
[15:37] <vorlon> darkxst: also, there was a missed step in switching to git, you didn't raise an MP against lp:ubuntu-archive-scripts for the change :)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-flashback (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.28.0-1ubuntu1.2 => 3.28.0-1ubuntu1.3] (edubuntu)
[15:46] <acheronuk> vorlon: thanks for looking into that.
[15:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (cosmic-proposed/main) [18.4-5-g6ee8a2c5-0ubuntu1 => 18.4-7-g4652b196-0ubuntu1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.7 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.7] (core)
[15:54] <vorlon> acheronuk, handsome_feng: seed mirror updated
[15:59] <sil2100> infinity: I requested the export now, a few hours earlier before the LanguagePackTranslationDeadline but I'd like to be sure that we have the langpacks built tomorrow
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.1-1ubuntu1 => 3.30.1-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.4-7-g4652b196-0ubuntu1]
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdm3 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu2]
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (cosmic-proposed) [143]
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted duplicity [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7.17-0ubuntu2]
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-settings-daemon [source] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2]
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.7 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.7] (core)
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: network-manager-openvpn (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.8.6-1 => 1.8.6-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: liferea (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.12.4-1 => 1.12.5-2] (edubuntu) (sync)
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted liferea [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.12.5-2]
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted barbican [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:7.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-castellan [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.19.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted network-manager-openvpn [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.8.6-1ubuntu1]
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-builder (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.30.1-2ubuntu2 => 3.30.1-6ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[17:07] <jbicha> sil2100: oh, I missed your message that you were intending to do the langpack build early
[17:08] <jbicha> that's why I did the gnome-builder upload ^ since upstream added new strings post-3.30.1 :(
[17:10] <jbicha> if we don't plan on doing langpack SRUs for non-lts releases, maybe we shouldn't use language packs for gnome-builder
[17:10] <jbicha> maybe not for epiphany-browser either
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: biometric-authentication (cosmic-proposed/primary) [0.9.57-0ubuntu1]
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-china-weather (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.2.8-0ubuntu1 => 3.0.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kylin-display-switch (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.0.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[17:26] <jbicha> and we should probably opt webkit2gtk out of langpacks too
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: comic-neue (cosmic-proposed/multiverse) [2.3-4 => 2.4-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted comic-neue [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.4-1]
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: webkit2gtk (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.22.2-1ubuntu1 => 2.22.2-1ubuntu2] (desktop-core)
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: insubstantial (cosmic-proposed/universe) [7.3+dfsg3-3 => 7.3+dfsg3-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lwjgl (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.9.3+dfsg-3 => 2.9.3+dfsg-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted insubstantial [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [7.3+dfsg3-4]
[17:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lwjgl [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.9.3+dfsg-4]
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: eclipse-platform-ui [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [4.7.3-2] (no packageset)
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: javatools (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.66 => 0.70] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted javatools [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.70]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.30.1-1ubuntu2 => 3.30.1-1ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: epiphany-browser (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.30.1-1ubuntu1 => 3.30.1-1ubuntu2] (desktop-extra)
[18:11] <jbicha> the builder string addition is minor enough I think I'll just let us keep using langpacks
[18:11] <jbicha> but we might do new major releases of epiphany as SRUs (as we already do for webkit) so those should be opted out
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:18.10.10 => 1:18.10.11] (core)
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mokutil (bionic-proposed/main) [0.3.0-0ubuntu5 => 0.3.0+1538710437.fb6250f-0ubuntu2~18.04.1] (core)
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: paramiko (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.4.1-0ubuntu2 => 2.4.1-0ubuntu3] (edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[19:00] <cyphermox> vorlon: grub2 has binaries in unapproved for bionic, could you please review them?
[19:01] <infinity> cyphermox: I got you.
[19:01] <cyphermox> infinity: ya
[19:01] <cyphermox> *ta
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.7]
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.7]
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.20.10-0ubuntu11 => 2.20.10-0ubuntu12] (core)
[19:08] <sil2100> jbicha: well, the export didn't happen yet, so maybe you made it in time?
[19:08] <sil2100> But it will start soonish since there's someone on it right now
[19:08] <jbicha> sil2100: could you accept gnome-builder/cosmic now then?
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdm3 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu3]
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted webkit2gtk [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.22.2-1ubuntu2]
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-builder [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-6ubuntu1]
[19:08] <jbicha> thanks
[19:11] <sil2100> It was probably infinity
[19:11] <sil2100> I was too slow
[19:11] <sil2100> ;)
[19:14] <infinity> Nope.  I blame vorlon.
[19:14] <jbicha> thanks team!
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.20.10-0ubuntu12]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted paramiko [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.4.1-0ubuntu3]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted epiphany-browser [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu2]
[19:17] <vorlon> infinity: I haven't touched anything in the past hour
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted thunderbird [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[19:17] <infinity> vorlon: Heh.
[19:17] <vorlon> so, you know, invisible queue processors, no big deal
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted barrier [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.2+dfsg-1]
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fonts-fork-awesome [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.1.2+ds3-3]
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted r-cran-xslt [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.3-1]
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted eclipse-platform-ui [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.7.3-2]
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted r-cran-popepi [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.5-1]
[19:18] <infinity> Probably Laney then.  Or ghosts.
[19:18] <stgraber> wasn't me
[19:19] <infinity> We're all so good at not taking credit, though.  Look at us go.
[19:19] <infinity> tjaalton: Tell me stories about these Vulkan things in NEW and why I should care.
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: barrier [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/none) [2.1.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-xslt [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/none) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-xslt [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/none) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: barrier [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/none) [2.1.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-xslt [i386] (cosmic-proposed/none) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-xslt [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/none) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
[19:25] <tjaalton> infinity: upstream split the old repo in four (vulkan-headers, -loader, -tools, -validationlayers), so the packaging had to follow. -headers is in already, but I've merged it back to -loader (made no sense to split it) so once these are in -headers can be removed
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-popepi [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/none) [0.4.5-1] (no packageset)
[19:25] <infinity> tjaalton: Oh, this is a split of something already in the archive?
[19:25] <infinity> (and what is that something?)
[19:25] <tjaalton> infinity: old src:vulkan also embedded spirv and glslang for the layers build, but these have been packaged properly now
[19:26] <tjaalton> yes, src:vulkan
[19:26] <tjaalton> spirv-tools is needed by -validationlayers
[19:26] <tjaalton> also in new
[19:26] <infinity> tjaalton: Is this split in Debian NEW too?
[19:26] <tjaalton> yes
[19:27] <infinity> Ahh, for a month or so, I see.  WTB pet Debian ftpmaster to process that.
[19:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: barrier [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.1.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[19:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-xslt [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
[19:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: r-cran-xslt [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
[19:27] <tjaalton> spirv-tools is even older
[19:28] <tjaalton> 4mo
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: barrier [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.1.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: barrier [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.1.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: barrier [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.1.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[19:28] <infinity> tjaalton: Any ABI transitions or anything hidden in here, or is this just the split plus upstream bugfixes etc?
[19:28] <tjaalton> infinity: no, just the split and a new release
[19:29] <infinity> Kay.
[19:29] <tjaalton> some packaging bikesheds, since upstream calls the utils repo -tools, so it got renamed
[20:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: eclipse-platform-text [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [4.7.3-3] (no packageset)
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.20.10-0ubuntu12 => 2.20.10-0ubuntu13] (core)
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: coreutils (cosmic-proposed/main) [8.28-1ubuntu1 => 8.28-1ubuntu2] (core)
[22:35] <tsimonq2> infinity: Topic change in here?
[23:17] <bashfulrobot> tsimonq2: Only you./... 😉
[23:53] <jbicha> please remove the gdm3/s390x binaries. It should be the last gjs removal for cosmic. Sorry about that.


[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:12] <mandem0110> Morning all... :D
[21:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue826 now available to our reading public: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-826/42231 :D


[10:04] <gnrp> hrm, I am having a problem with Xubuntu 19.10:
[10:05] <gnrp> Fresh installation, just some packages on top. But still standard lightdm with xfce
[10:05] <gnrp> however, the shutdown/restart buttons are greyed out, suspend is not even shown.
[10:05] <gnrp> all the "old" recommendations are consolekit stuff, but that doesn't exist anymore
[10:06] <gnrp> ah, and the policykit pkla files I found I tried out, but didn't work
[10:06] <gnrp> anybody with an idea on what to do?
[10:06] <gnrp> in lightdm, the shutdown/restart buttons are also greyed out
[10:08] <gnrp> also, when I put the suspend action on the power button via energy manager, it requires me to enter a password when I push the power button before it works
[10:12] <diogenes_> gnrp, run: groups | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:12] <diogenes_> and share the link.
[10:12] <gnrp> diogenes_: https://termbin.com/py5j
[10:14] <gnrp> on my notebook, also on 19.10, shutdown and all that stuff works. There, groups are mostly the same, but due to the installed software (replace lxd by adbusers)
[10:15] <diogenes_> gnrp, did you install on top of the previously saved /home?
[10:17] <gnrp> yep
[10:17] <gnrp> was an 18.04 before
[10:18] <gnrp> (did the same on the notebook btw, where it works)
[10:18] <diogenes_> gnrp, when it comes about troubleshooting issues that occur after an upgrade, first thing i do i create a new clean user to rule out configuration issues.
[10:19] <gnrp> will try. At the moment I was too inpatient and I am upgrading to focal right now^^
[10:19] <gnrp> but yeah, that's a good idea in general, I should follow that
[10:22] <gnrp> and yes, from "something doesn't work" to "using experimental releases" is not very smart. But at least I have some good corona-time now for reporting bugs, heh
[10:23] <diogenes_> so it's called "corona-time" now? maybe "covid-time" :)
[10:25] <gnrp> depends on whether you spend time at home or you spend time drinking beers? ;)
[10:29] <gnrp> diogenes_: So focal does the same, and a new user also has the same issues
[10:29] <gnrp> (as does lightdm, btw)
[10:31] <diogenes_> gnrp, hmm xfce4-session is responsible for that afaik.
[10:48] <gnrp> hm
[10:48] <gnrp> so the action required for the suspend at least is org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-ignore-inhibit
[10:49] <gnrp> how would I allow my user to perform tihs?
[11:12] <gnrp> wohooo, I made it work! :D
[11:12] <gnrp> suspend, hibernate, reboot, all works. Had to grant some of the org.freedesktop.login1 permissions
[11:12] <gnrp> although I am not happy with the result. :(
[11:12] <gnrp> now that I understand it I cannot insult and rant about policykit anymore. That sucks.
[11:13] <gnrp> and this time even the on-board documentation alone was doing ti
[16:57] <xubuntu45w> hello
[16:59] <xubuntu45w> I have strudels downloading applications
[16:59] <xubuntu45w> Can you help me please?
[17:04] <xubuntu45w> the error message is: "It is not possible to install Inkscape: cannot perform the following tasks:"
[20:38] <xubuntu40w> Hi there guys! You might be able to help me out with this one.
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> As you guys know, the images, documents folders have different icons.
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> I added a Games folder, but I can't set a different icon for it, how do i do that? I'd appreciate some guidance.
[20:42] <diogenes_> xubuntu40w, you can make it a link and specify the desired Icon= or right click > properties > emblems, maybe there are other ways too.
[20:44] <xubuntu40w> diogenes: Uh this is weird, but if I click one of the emblems, it unclicks itself.
[20:45] <diogenes_> indeed weird.
[20:49] <xubuntu40w> Any suggestions?
[20:52] <diogenes_> maybe someone else could suggest something, it's too late for me so i'm off, if you won't find anything, come again tomorrow and maybe we could find something.
[20:52]  * diogenes_ is offline
[20:53] <xubuntu40w> Alright, thanks anyways!
[22:34] <DarkTrick> Sometimes when I'm shutting down my computer,some programs hang
[22:34] <DarkTrick> This prevents ubuntu to shut down immediately
[22:35] <DarkTrick> in the shutdown-phase it hangs with a "waiting for a process to finish"-like message. This has a 2 min timeout.
[22:35] <DarkTrick> If 5 apps hang at the time, the computer won't shut down for 10 minutes.
[22:36] <DarkTrick> Q1.) Is there anything I can do (in that situation) to stop the waiting and tell the computer to immediately shut down?
[22:37] <DarkTrick> Q2.) The system won't show which process it's waiting for, until the time is up. Is there any setting, that will make the system show which process it's waiting for?
[22:53] <brainwash> DarkTrick: maybe "sudo systemctl poweroff" will do the job
[22:54] <DarkTrick> brainwash, then I would have to shutdown my system like that all the time. Isn't there any antimeasure when I'm in the situation of a hanging process?
[22:54] <DarkTrick> I would expect something like CTRL+\ to work
[22:55] <brainwash> no idea
[22:56] <brainwash> I guess I would need a reproducer
[22:56] <brainwash> something that triggers your scenario
[22:57] <brainwash> I know that a running Virtual Box instance can block logout/shutdown
[22:57] <DarkTrick> brainwash, hm... that's difficult, I guess
[22:57] <DarkTrick> yes, I also figured that the last time
[22:57] <DarkTrick> my most recent example is a not shutting down mousepad
[22:58] <brainwash> huch
[22:58] <brainwash> interesting
[22:58] <brainwash> probably due to unsaved changes, right?
[22:58] <DarkTrick> I can't tell
[22:58] <DarkTrick> Mousepad was hanging *before* I tried to shut down
[22:59] <brainwash> oh I see
[22:59] <DarkTrick> I opened a file, window opens, but mousepad hangs
[22:59] <DarkTrick> btw: why would a virtual box instance block from logout/shutdown?
[23:00] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14429
[23:02] <DarkTrick> brainwash, ok, so it's been working on
[23:02] <DarkTrick> I guess I should comeback with my stuff, if I can reproduce it securely
[23:03] <DarkTrick> thank you brainwash!
[23:03] <brainwash> what gives you the impression that someone is working on it? :)
[23:04] <DarkTrick> :D
[23:04] <DarkTrick> because it's in the system
[23:04] <DarkTrick> well.. I was struggeling sending out that sentence :D
[23:05] <brainwash> your case sounds a bit different though
[23:05] <brainwash> I mean you that dialog window with a timeout
[23:05] <brainwash> you get
[23:05] <DarkTrick> In my case Xorg already finished an I'm on TTY1
[23:06] <DarkTrick> It looks like this
[23:06] <DarkTrick> [ **] Waiting for process to finish [ 1s / 1m59]
[23:07] <brainwash> ah okay. that is systemd.
[23:08] <DarkTrick> So 'Systemd is waiting for a process to finish' is the right description I guess(?)
[23:11] <brainwash> I think it is
[23:11] <brainwash> grep Timeout /etc/systemd/system.conf
[23:11] <brainwash> #DefaultTimeoutStopSec=90s
[23:11] <brainwash> but that's 90s or 1m30
[23:11] <brainwash> and you got 1m59
[23:14] <DarkTrick> hm... maybe my eyes played a trick on me...? I'm pretty sure it was 1m59, though
[23:14] <DarkTrick> I will change this time and watch my system for a while
[23:16] <brainwash> you can check the journal entries for the previous boot
[23:17] <brainwash> if persistent logging is enabled
[23:17] <DarkTrick> brainwash, I could, but I would need some guidance for that
[23:19] <brainwash> it is enabled when /var/log/journal exists
[23:19] <DarkTrick> brainwash, does not exist
[23:20] <brainwash> sudo mkdir /var/log/journal
[23:21] <DarkTrick> (funny... there's already stuff in the newly created folder)
[23:21] <brainwash> and with "journalctl -b -1" you can access the log entries from the previous boot
[23:22] <DarkTrick> `No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions.`
[23:22] <DarkTrick> and with sudo
[23:22] <DarkTrick> "Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No such boot ID in journal"
[23:23] <DarkTrick> I guess, I'll leave it like this and the next time I experience the problem, I check there?
[23:24] <brainwash> you didn't reboot yet
[23:24] <brainwash> so there is no previous boot log data
[23:28] <kgb> seems like there's nobody alive in #vbox, what size of partition should I use for Oracle VM - like 10, 20 GB (less?)
[23:29] <brainwash> for what purpose?
[23:29] <kgb> (just need it for messing around, maybe trying to build Firefox with less features. :))
[23:29] <kgb> I mean, I'll use.VDI right so I can expand and all that
[23:29] <DarkTrick> kgb: I would use 20G or even more. And set the option to "dynamically allocated"
[23:30] <kgb> DarkTrick: yessir. that's cool!..:) ty
[23:30] <brainwash> mine is 10GB
[23:30] <kgb> um, encrypt the swap??
[23:30] <brainwash> but I only keep things installed that I need
[23:31] <brainwash> encrypt swap? what you mean?
[23:32] <kgb> the swap partition, should i encrypt it - or just not bother with that?? oh and what RAM... I've got 16GB, is there any need of using more than 2 ?? .o0
[23:33] <kgb> maybe 4GB, if I'll be compiling and all that, yeah?
[23:34] <DarkTrick> kgb: I'm using 1 - 2GB. Works fine for compiling smaller applications. Remember, that you always change those settings :)
[23:35] <kgb> DarkTrick: ugh, sure - bt, it (_always?!?) takes a while to manipulate the partition(s) size(s)?
[23:35] <kgb> hm
[23:36] <DarkTrick> kgb: I was talking about RAM
[23:36] <DarkTrick> That should be changed with a reboot and 10 seconds of mouse clicking
[23:37] <kgb> DarkTrick: well, yeah - the RAM is the actual size of the swap partition, no?! :-o
[23:38] <DarkTrick> kgb: I don't know. I though "swap partition" is for an actual partition. The RAM is only used in case there is no specific 'partition' for swap (setup in /etc/fstab)
[23:39] <DarkTrick> **But I might be wrong**
[23:39] <kgb> hey SRY about all the questions, bt how about CPU number - I'm on a Asus FX505DU laptop with AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
[23:39] <kgb> more than 2, or will two be alright??
[23:42] <kgb> *running it!..:)
[23:44] <DarkTrick> kgb: I'd say, the same thing again: just try and change if necessary :) I personally use only 1 core and it runs fine.
[23:45] <kgb> cool, cool! :D just... I *really* want to build Firefox; maybe even for, like, F-Droid or something
[23:45] <kgb> (for sure for personal use, without a BUNCH of stuff. :))