[09:15] <Seveas> it's just the 'hotkeys' that don't always work, but that's the same on windows without drivers installed
[09:15] <DukGalNamu> or pearpc
[09:15] <rhelmer> Seveas: ah.. cool thanks
[09:15] <Seveas> I heard of MoL, apparently is nice. But I don't own a mac, so never tried it
[09:16] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: k, just wondering...
[09:17] <bobulor> hi everyone
[09:17] <Seveas> ho
[09:17] <Seveas> hi even
[09:17] <mattyJ> is there anyway to get the trash can on the desktop??
[09:17] <wizo> wooohooo
[09:17] <wizo> thanks Seveas
[09:17] <bobulor> before I begin this eveing I need to make a single, vital point clear. I = noob
[09:18] <bobulor> with that said I need help getting my music players to work. Can anyone offer a suggestion?
[09:18] <Seveas> mattyJ, not that I know of, the panel is also more appropriate for it imho :)
[09:18] <power-X> Whoa.
[09:18] <Seveas> bobulor, of course we can
[09:18] <Seveas> !mp3
[09:18] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:18] <power-X> I just found Ubuntu--they really send free CDs to people?
[09:18] <Seveas> ^-- read that page bobulor
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> power-X: yes
[09:18] <Office> I'm having problems logging into Ubuntu 5.04 on VMware
[09:18] <Seveas> If you have any questions after that, come back and ask
[09:18] <mattyJ> Seveas: you used to be able to, weird they would take that out
[09:19] <Seveas> power-X, yes, http://shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <Office> The screen is all distored at the GNOME splash, and I can't work out how to fix it
[09:19] <power-X> HrdwrBoB: Okay...why?
[09:19] <Office> Booting up though, everything else appears clearly
[09:19] <wizo> power-X: the only compromise is that it takes 1.5months
[09:19] <aqua> hmm
[09:19] <Seveas> mattyJ, maybe a simple ln -s ~/.Trash ~/Desktop/Trashcan does work
[09:19] <wizo> but its good though
[09:19] <aqua> i just want a 1600x1200 resolution :(
[09:19] <Office> Anyone?
[09:19] <salvius> need some help...  ubuntu does not display battery life
[09:20] <Seveas> salvius, added the correct applet to your panel?
[09:20] <power-X> wizo: Oh, that's unfortunate.
[09:20] <Seveas> aqua, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:20] <wizo> power-X: its worth it
[09:20] <power-X> wizo: I was going to order Debian from cheapbytes, but they charge $18 + shipping now
[09:20] <wizo> but i might forget that u actually ordered it
[09:20] <wizo> u*
[09:20] <Seveas> power-X, the send out approx. 120.000 cds per week, there is quite a backlog sometimes..
[09:20] <Office> help please.... when i get to GNOME log in, the screen is garbled.. how do i do an xconfig?
[09:20] <salvius> seveas: how can I know which applet is correct?
[09:20] <f_newton> download deb if you want it.... my suggestion is to use ubuntu
[09:20] <wizo> power-X: where about are u?
[09:21] <rhelmer> salvius: it's called "Battery Charge Monitor"
[09:21] <Seveas> salvius, the "Battery Charge Monitor"
[09:21] <KarlosII> will Ubuntu AMD64 install on DELL????
[09:21] <KarlosII> dual core
[09:21] <salvius> seveas: ya, that's the one...
[09:21] <Seveas> KarlosII, dells don't ship amd afaik, so no
[09:21] <Seveas> salvius, that should work...
[09:21] <f_newton> not as of yet they dont
[09:21] <KarlosII> Seveas: um
[09:21] <f_newton> they have discussed it however
[09:21] <Seveas> do you boot without acpi?
[09:22] <power-X> wizo: Arizona, USA
[09:22] <power-X> But who is paying for sending all those CDs out?
[09:22] <KarlosII> Seveas: AMD64 = INTEL EMT64 pretty much except for some extra extensions for EMT64
[09:22] <wizo> power-X: if u were in melbourne, u could come to my uni to grab one
[09:22] <salvius> seveas: it displays: "system is running on battery power Unknown time (0%) remaining"
[09:22] <Office> does anyone know how i can get the screen to display clearly? it only happens once the boot reaches the gnome login screen
[09:22] <wizo> my tutor ordered 100 10 weeks ago
[09:22] <wizo> finally arrived
[09:22] <f_newton> why would you need 100 disks?
[09:23] <wizo> for uni
[09:23] <KarlosII> :)
[09:23] <Seveas> salvius, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/state
[09:23] <Seveas> salvius, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/info
[09:23] <power-X> Anyone know?
[09:23] <wizo> computer science students
[09:23] <Seveas> if that gives you weird things, paste it on the pastebin
[09:23] <Seveas> power-X, canonical pays
[09:23] <KarlosII> Seveas: AMD64 = INTEL EMT64 pretty much except for some extra extensions for EMT64
[09:23] <wizo> power-X: its some multi millionaire
[09:23] <robotgeek> Mr. Mark Shuttleworth, i guess
[09:23] <power-X> Who is canonical?
[09:23] <wizo> yesh
[09:23] <Seveas> KarlosII, you might give it a try, I can guarantee nothingm never heard of someone who tried
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: the other way around
[09:23] <wizo> thats the name
[09:24] <wizo> shuttleworth
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: EM64t is a pointless waste of time
[09:24] <Seveas> power-X, Canonical is the company that sponsors Ubuntu
[09:24] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: nononon
[09:24] <Crissy> hi, since apt-get -u update or apt-get -u dist-upgrade doesn't update my firefox I downloaded it as a file. How do I install it from /home/mima/My Downloads/Apps
[09:24] <Seveas> www.canonical.com
[09:24] <salvius> seveas: state -- unable to read battery status
[09:24] <wizo> who is also an astronaut
[09:24] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: that is incorrect
[09:24] <Office> need help please... how can i get ubuntu 5.04 to display GNOME clearly under VMware?
[09:24] <salvius> seveas: the info displays correctly, I believe
[09:24] <Seveas> salvius, do you have noacpi or other acpi boot parameters?
[09:24] <KarlosII> vmware
[09:24] <KarlosII> wow
[09:24] <Office> yes
[09:24] <Office> on XP
[09:24] <Seveas> Office: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: how is that incorrect.
[09:24] <KarlosII> Office: figured
[09:25] <salvius> saveas: not that I know of.
[09:25] <power-X> Seveas,wizo: So what does this guy get out of doing this?
[09:25] <KarlosII> Because 8 people have told me this: AMD64 = INTEL EMT64 pretty much except for some extra extensions for EMT64
[09:25] <Seveas> salvius, try acpi=force as boot parameter
[09:25] <robotgeek> does anyone know how to get my external usb hdd to show up at the same place like, /dev/sda1 or so?
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: yes that's correct
[09:25] <rhelmer> power-X: Mark Shuttleworth did an interesting talk at Debconf about just that
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: but the point is, em64t is a hack
[09:25] <salvius> saveas: I shall try...  if it works, any way to make it permanent?
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: amd64 was first, and it actually runs faster
[09:25] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: I know
[09:26] <Seveas> robotgeek, it should automount to /media/LABEL_OF_USBDISK_FILESYSTEM
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: em64t will on the whole make your system SLOWER
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> and as such is a pointless waste of time
[09:26] <rhelmer> power-X: he is independently wealthy at this point; he started Thawte (SSL cert authority; sold to Verisign)
[09:26] <KarlosII> anyhow it's a dual core system
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> dual core == SMP
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> esp for P4
[09:26] <Seveas> power-X, he gets a kick out of it :)
[09:26] <aqua> WTF!
[09:27] <c0rrupt_> im trying to make install something
[09:27] <salvius> saveas: thank you for the help, I shall go try your suggestion now
[09:27] <rhelmer> power-X: http://www.whiprush.org/2005/07/shuttleworths_d.html
[09:27] <c0rrupt_> i get this error[09:27] <c0rrupt_> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpq
[09:27] <robotgeek> Seveas: it doesn't autmount for me, maybe i installed something which screws it up!
[09:27] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, then install libpq-dev or something
[09:27] <prasys> can someone help me.How can I get airporte exterme to work with ubuntu *under ppc*..will ndiswrapper work or is it only for x86
[09:27] <aqua> i watched ubuntu install gcc
[09:27] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: what do you mean by that?
[09:27] <cyphase> ubuntu should have a central address book system..
[09:27] <aqua> but its not there
[09:27] <Seveas> robotgeek, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:27] <robotgeek> prasys: it won't work, period
[09:27] <robotgeek> Seveas: ubuntu
[09:27] <c0rrupt_> no such package
[09:27] <prasys> thanks robotgeek
[09:27] <Seveas> cyphase, there will be
[09:27] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: I mean that SMP is the same as dual core for intel chips
[09:27] <cyphase> besides evolution
[09:27] <prasys> i hate broadcom
[09:28] <HrdwrBoB> dual core intel is  two cores glued together
[09:28] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, apt-cache search libpq | grep dev
[09:28] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: right
[09:28] <power-X> rhelmer: This is just weird.  I used to follow the Linux happenings for a while, then I kind of dropped out, now I'm looking to install Linux again and there are all of these distros I've never heard of, Ubuntu being one of them.
[09:28] <cyphase> Seveas, i know :)
[09:28] <cyphase> but i mean soon
[09:28] <c0rrupt_> libpqxx-dev?
[09:28] <cyphase> not eventually
[09:28] <cyphase> but i can't ask to much
[09:28] <cyphase> breezy is great :)
[09:28] <cyphase> so far..
[09:28] <c0rrupt_> libpqxx-dev - C++ library to connect to PostgreSQL (development files)
[09:28] <robotgeek> Seveas: i had gnome-volume-manager removed, gonna reinstall and watch
[09:28] <rhelmer> power-X: :) you probably know this, but it's debian based.. some of the debian developers were hired by Canonical Ltd. to create ubuntu
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> that?
[09:29] <KarlosII> where can i publish feature requests for breezy
[09:29] <rhelmer> power-X: was called "no-name-yet" for a while :)
[09:29] <Seveas> robotgeek, g-v-m is indeed responsible for this, together with hal & pmount
[09:29] <cyphase> KarlosII, you can't now
[09:29] <power-X> rhelmer: So Canonical is non-profit?
[09:29] <KarlosII> bummer
[09:29] <cyphase> Aug. 11 was the deadline
[09:29] <robotgeek> Seveas: thanks
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, ?
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> libpqxx-dev?
[09:29] <KarlosII> cyphase: oh well
[09:29] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, yes
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> k
[09:29] <aqua> /dev                  897M  106M  744M  13% /.dev
[09:29] <aqua> wtf is that
[09:29] <cyphase> KarlosII, you can call your feature a bug though..
[09:29] <Seveas> or postgresql-dv
[09:30] <Seveas> aqua, nothing peculiar
[09:30] <Seveas> it just means that /dev and /.dev are the same
[09:30] <KarlosII> heh
[09:30] <rhelmer> power-X: no.. they are working on "ubuntu foundation" which would be though
[09:30] <soad> i have problems with memory i think, so i cant install ubuntu and no other OS. It is restarting my cpu..but can i test my memory somehow with ubuntu's installation CD. At the beginning of instalation i can insert kernel's command..i am totally n00b
[09:31] <rhelmer> power-X: canonical will provide support, and there will be an "enterprise" ubuntu, but it'll always be free
[09:31] <bobulor> seveas: I made changes to synaptic based on repositories that had something to do with ubuntu not have the ability to do something
[09:31] <bobulor> seveas: it's cranking away at something... i hope
[09:31] <freddy> anyone have tried installing pitivi on ubuntu?
[09:31] <Seveas> bobulor, hmm, paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin
[09:31] <rhelmer> power-X: the video of his talk is quite interesting on that point, to me.. I don't think they are focused really on the business model, just on doing it right and seeing what happens..
[09:31] <c0-> i wanna ask.. does ubuntu really free of charge??
[09:32] <freddy> O_o
[09:32] <Seveas> yes c0-
[09:32] <c0rrupt_> thanks seveas
[09:32] <bobulor> seveas: pastebin?
[09:32] <Seveas> !pastebin
[09:32] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:32] <Seveas> ^--
[09:32] <bobulor> ???
[09:32] <bobulor> !pastebin?
[09:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:32] <KarlosII> re topic
[09:32] <freddy> follow the damn link :D
[09:32] <KarlosII> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:32] <c0-> have anyone tried to deliver it to indonesia?
[09:32] <c0-> i'm in indonesia
[09:33] <KarlosII> and rtft
[09:33] <Seveas> c0-, the cds are delivered worldwide
[09:33] <c0-> ic..
[09:33] <power-X> rhelmer: Well, my computer doesn't have sound at the moment :)
[09:33] <freddy> read the fuc**** what KarlosII ?
[09:33] <rhelmer> power-X: hehe
[09:33] <Seveas> freddy, topic
[09:33] <freddy> oh
[09:33] <freddy> lol
[09:33] <KarlosII> freddy: read the topic
[09:33] <rhelmer> power-X: i don't know of a transcript at this time.. it's the most info I've heard on what's going on "behind the scenes" so far..
[09:33] <freddy> so, anyone tried pitivi?
[09:34] <freddy> im having an error when starting it :(
[09:34] <power-X> rhelmer: So it's kind of creepy?
[09:34] <rhelmer> power-X: creepy? hehe no i don't think so
[09:34] <Seveas> freddy, what is the error? (if it's large -> pastebin)
[09:34] <bobulor> seveas: bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[09:34] <freddy> hold on a sex Seveas
[09:34] <rhelmer> power-X: what did i say that gave that impression?
[09:34] <soad> i have problems with memory i think, so i cant install ubuntu and no other OS. It is restarting my cpu..but can i test my memory somehow with ubuntu's installation CD. At the beginning of instalation i can insert kernel's command..i am totally n00b
[09:34] <freddy> err
[09:34] <freddy> sec
[09:34] <Seveas> :)
[09:34] <freddy> lol
[09:35] <Seveas> bobulor, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:35] <rolo> Hi people, good morning. How do I install Macromedia Flash in Firefox?
[09:35] <rhelmer> soad: there is a boot option, "memtest86", installed by ubuntu.. i believe it is on the livecd as well
[09:36] <power-X> rhelmer: Well, I mean you don't know the agenda.
[09:36] <freddy> Seveas,
[09:36] <freddy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1463
[09:37] <rhelmer> power-X: well, I don't think he has much motivation to do "whatever it takes" to make money, and he has no shareholders to answer to.. most of the projects he runs are charitable
[09:37] <Seveas> freddy, that's simply a bug in pitivi, notify the pitivi developers about it
[09:38] <freddy> oh
[09:38] <rolo> Can somebody tell me how I install Macromedia Flash on Ubuntu?
[09:38] <freddy> not good
[09:38] <Seveas> !flash
[09:38] <ubotu> I heard flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:38] <freddy> gonna email them
[09:38] <rhelmer> power-X: as with anything it's a trust issue :) I have a lot of trust for the particular debian developers involved, but there's of course personal bias and all that
[09:38] <wizo> mad
[09:39] <wizo> this old man gave a 19 year old waitress a porsche
[09:39] <bobulor> seveas: i got the post finished
[09:39] <wizo> as a tip
[09:39] <bobulor> who is ubotu
[09:39] <rhelmer> power-X: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ has more info on the man who started canonical..
[09:39] <bobulor> !ubotu
[09:39] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:39] <power-X> rhelmer: Okay.  See, at first it sounded like charity, and then you say it's for profit.  That just didn't work out in my head.
[09:39] <power-X> rhelmer: Is ordering 10 CDs too much?
[09:40] <bobulor> !fixmycomp
[09:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, bobulor
[09:40] <bobulor> dang
[09:40] <rhelmer> power-X: np. it's complicated... canonical ltd. is intended to make money somehow, but they don't seem to be in a hurry
[09:40] <power-X> rhelmer: I only need one, but it said to feel free to order more, and the default was ten.
[09:40] <Seveas> bobulor, that sources.list looks ok, what's the problem?
[09:40] <rhelmer> power-X: well i can't speak for them; i ordered a bunch myself to give out
[09:40] <bobulor> seveas: none of my music players work
[09:40] <rhelmer> power-X: i think the shipit web page will warn you if you ask for an unreasonable amount
[09:40] <power-X> rhelmer: Yeah, I know some people I can give away to.
[09:40] <robotgeek> Seveas: thanks, it worked
[09:41] <Seveas> power-X, the cost of shipping is way higher than the cost of cds :)
[09:41] <rolo> When I hit apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it says the package does not exist
[09:41] <power-X> Seveas: yeah
[09:41] <Seveas> bobulor, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:41] <power-X> Seveas: Where are they shipping from, any ideas?
[09:41] <Seveas> that makes totem/rhythmbox play MP3
[09:41] <rhelmer> power-X: mine came from the netherlands ..
[09:41] <Seveas> power-X, hoary is shipping from the netherlands
[09:41] <bobulor> seveas: I used Sound Juicer CD Ripper to get some songs off of some cd's. They are in the ogg format. Whenever I try to load them into xmms or something i get an error or something freezes up
[09:42] <Seveas> bobulor: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:42] <power-X> Oh wow, I think that's the other side of the world.
[09:42] <Seveas> totem/rhythmbox should play ogg without any hassle
[09:42] <rolo> power not for me =P
[09:42] <freddy> jesus, i ordered a copy, im in venezuela, its going to take a while until it get here
[09:42] <Seveas> power-X, the cd's are being shipped form a place 50km from me and they still took 6 weeks to arrive :)
[09:43] <bobulor> seveas: in response to your previous command
[09:43] <rolo> I downloaded it..
[09:43] <rolo> :P
[09:43] <freddy> Seveas, lol seriously?
[09:43] <bobulor> seveas: i got: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:43] <bobulor> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:43] <Seveas> freddy, yes, most of the time goes into the waiting queue at the CD manufacturer :)
[09:43] <power-X> Seveas: Well, I'm not in that big of a hurry.  But I always wanted to try Debian, so this will give me my chance.
[09:43] <bobulor> seveas: how do i change my audio plugin?
[09:43] <rhelmer> freddy: why not download the CD image in the meantime? that is what i did :) i only asked for some to be shipped to give away nice printed copied
[09:43] <Seveas> bobulor, close synaptic while doing this
[09:43] <rhelmer> er s/copied/copies/
[09:44] <freddy> well, thats what i did too rhelmer ;)
[09:44] <samp> Can someone give me a link of all the potential software I can run on the Ubuntu OS?
[09:44] <power-X> samp: Are you familiar with GNU/Linux?
[09:44] <Seveas> samp, http://packages.ubuntu.com is a list of officially shipped packages
[09:44] <samp> Yes
[09:44] <bobulor> seveas: gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[09:44] <bobulor> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[09:44] <Seveas> and there is about 10x as much on sites like sourceforge.net or berlios.de
[09:45] <rhelmer> freddy: i guess we are just ahead of the game then :)
[09:45] <freddy> yup
[09:45] <freddy> hehe
[09:45] <bobulor> seveas: how do i change my audio plugin?
[09:45] <freddy> i love this distro, it is just outregous
[09:45] <rhelmer> bobulor: it is in the settings..
[09:45] <rhelmer> bobulor: depends on the player.. xmms?
[09:45] <bobulor> why not
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> Compiled without LIBSSH support, module not available!
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> how can i install libssh
[09:46] <rhelmer> bobulor: ctrl-p, under "output plugin" select "esound output plugin"
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> support
[09:46] <rhelmer> bobulor: click ok
[09:46] <power-X> What is Warty, Hoary, and Breezy?
[09:46] <samp> It is so difficult to get anywhere on a programming project
[09:46] <ilba7r> !breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:46] <stizoner> whats devfs?
[09:47] <aqua> ok got my monitor working
[09:47] <robotgeek> life has been cool after i disabled my capslock key!
[09:47] <ilba7r> !info breezy
[09:47] <samp> Is ubuntu the best OS?
[09:47] <aqua> i had to set refresh rates
[09:47] <aqua> samp; ubuntu isnt an OS
[09:47] <c0rrupt_> , module not available!:
[09:47] <c0rrupt_> meh
[09:47] <samp> It is a distribution of an OS.
[09:47] <bobulor> rhelmer: I made the change. Does that fix it?
[09:47] <samp> Is it the best distribution?
[09:47] <stizoner> samp yes
[09:47] <rhelmer> bobulor: you tell me :) it changes the output plugin; does it work now?
[09:48] <stizoner> its the best OS
[09:48] <rolo> the best, the best
[09:48] <bobulor> ill try loading  a song
[09:48] <rhelmer> bobulor: i have xmms set that way, and works on my laptop
[09:48] <rolo> what is the best
[09:48] <robotgeek> ubuntu is an it just works distro
[09:48] <robotgeek> of course, u probably are here cause it doesn't!
[09:48] <stizoner> downloads my pron 33% faster then the leading OS
[09:48] <rolo> stizoner: lol
[09:48] <samp> I am here to get a few tips.
[09:48] <power-X> So which version will they send me?
[09:48] <samp> I just bought a windows machine.
[09:48] <stizoner> lol
[09:48] <rolo> samp: go to the terminal and type yes then enter xP
[09:49] <ompaul> stizoner, u have pron?
[09:49] <aqua> stizoner; its pr0n get it right
[09:49] <stizoner> only like a terrabyte of it
[09:49] <power-X> Eh, you guys and your porn.
[09:49] <robotgeek> damn...i keep seeing pron as porn!
[09:49] <rolo> it's the same =)
[09:49] <stizoner> it is robotgeek
[09:49] <bobulor> rhelmer: i hit the load list button and tried to load up a song. in the song list window about 16000 songs showed up made up of random characters
[09:49] <aqua> touch my norp
[09:49] <aqua> err haha
[09:49] <power-X> Where did that come from anyway? "pron"
[09:49] <aqua> nrop
[09:49] <aqua> power-x; some kid and a typo
[09:49] <Beruga> It's a censor bypass, if I recall correctly.
[09:49] <bobulor> rhelmer: i dont think it worked
[09:49] <rolo> power, just a typo '1337' kids thought it was good
[09:49] <rhelmer> bobulor: don't know about the "random characters" issue, that's odd
[09:49] <robotgeek> i guess pron was typed in hurry!
[09:50] <rhelmer> bobulor: can you just load a song and see if it works?
[09:50] <cyphase> hopefully breezy will ship with the beagle extension for firefox installed..
[09:50] <bobulor> rhelmer: i just tried to
[09:50] <rolo> power-x it's like 'PWN' instead of 'own' and 't3h' and shit.
[09:50] <rhelmer> bobulor: why not use rhythmbox, or totem, or something not-awful (like xmms) :)
[09:50] <rolo> You know
[09:50] <power-X> Maybe "pron" or "porn" when typed with one hand.
[09:50] <power-X> *or --> is
[09:50] <bobulor> rhelmer: ok, how do i get whatever you're talking about?
[09:50] <rhelmer> bobulor: well, not sure what the problem is.. what list did you try to load?
[09:51] <robotgeek> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx
[09:51] <stizoner> the best place to get pRon is empornium, its like porno heaven, i got 500gb up/down for 10months, but theres members who must be server admins or something with 1000's terrabytes
[09:51] <robotgeek> explains it all!
[09:51] <rhelmer> bobulor: you can use the Synaptic Package Manager in System->Administration
[09:51] <emile> i have a tvcard and audio output on soundcard, can i get audio output on usb headset too?
[09:51] <robotgeek> stizoner: can i porn-get it?
[09:51] <rhelmer> bobulor: can you try loading one song, using the "eject" button in xmms?
[09:51] <bobulor> rhelmer: /home/robert/music/MyCD2 is my directory for xmms
[09:51] <emile> using tvtime
[09:51] <stizoner> no but u can command line bittorrent
[09:52] <bobulor> rhelmer: what eject button?
[09:52] <rhelmer> bobulor: in xmms
[09:52] <stizoner> xmms is major ugly
[09:52] <rhelmer> bobulor: it looks like "eject", like an arrow pointing up with a line under it..
[09:52] <rhelmer> bobulor: bad metaphor :)
[09:52] <rhelmer> xmms is t3h l4m3
[09:52] <rolo> tar xvjf gplflash-0.4.13.tar.bz2
[09:52] <rolo> uups
[09:52] <rolo> wrong page
[09:52] <rolo> xp
[09:52] <rolo> xP
[09:53] <rolo> wrong 'werkblad', wtf is that in English lol
[09:53] <rhelmer> bobulor: i have xmms installed in hoary, and it works fine, but it's not really ideal for media playing imho
[09:53] <ompaul> robotgeek, what search brought that on?
[09:53] <rhelmer> bobulor: i like rhythmbox for music, muine is also nice, totem (the movie player) can even play most formats
[09:54] <emile> rhelmer: what do you use for mozilla video?
[09:54] <robotgeek> ompaul: microsoft l33t
[09:54] <bobulor> rhelmer: i did it the way you said. this time it played through the song really fast ( a 4 minute song in about 5 seconds) and made no sound
[09:54] <rhelmer> emile: mozilla-mplayer
[09:54] <bobulor> rhelmer: i have muine, it doesn't work either
[09:54] <rhelmer> emile: not ideal imho
[09:54] <stizoner> what the fuck is wtf?
[09:55] <robotgeek> ompaul: i got the link a long time ago, off a blog
[09:55] <rolo> Lol!
[09:55] <emile> rhelmer: k ;-)
[09:55] <rolo> Lol stizoner.
[09:55] <stizoner> :P
[09:55] <robotgeek> :)
[09:55] <rhelmer> bobulor: perhaps you have deeper problems :)
[09:55] <robotgeek> !lart stizoner
[09:55] <rhelmer> bobulor: go to System->Preferences->Sound
[09:55] <emile> i'm having a little trouble getting sound output to usb headset from tvtime, can someone please help?
[09:55] <samp> does ubuntu support sd cards and wireless internet?
[09:55] <rolo> !lart robotgeek
[09:56] <rhelmer> bobulor: is "Enable sound server on startup" checked?
[09:56] <bobulor> rhelmer: ayep
[09:56] <robotgeek> permission denied, are u root?
[09:56] <rolo> sudo
[09:56] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok.. hmm.. have you ever heard ubuntu make sound? :)
[09:56] <ompaul> robotgeek, :)
[09:56] <robotgeek> :D
[09:57] <emile> tvtime is working, i have a picture and i also have sound over internal soundcard, however not over usb headset
[09:57] <bobulor> rhelmer: sound works fine for normal stuff: like when i try to type something and I can't it beeps. Sound also works for games like WoW
[09:57] <rolo> My flash wont....install......like, what do I do?
[09:57] <emile> xmms eg does play over headset
[09:57] <rhelmer> bobulor: WoW under ubuntu?
[09:57] <rhelmer> bobulor: the "beep" is PC speaker and happens at a different level, doesn't require a sound driver
[09:58] <bobulor> rhelmer: talk to muk_amd64 on #gentoo-amd64 to find out how he did it
[09:58] <rhelmer> bobulor: ?
[09:58] <rhelmer> bobulor: did what? :)
[09:58] <bobulor> rhelmer: he was the one who put my computer together, physically. He went to the stor with me, told me what to get, put it all together and initially put gentoo on it
[09:59] <rhelmer> bobulor: but now you have ubuntu?
[09:59] <bobulor> rhelmer: gentoo was way over my head so he put ubuntu on for me... which is also way over my head
[09:59] <emile> i switched to ubuntu 2 days ago
[09:59] <emile> i like it ;-)
[09:59] <rhelmer> bobulor: :) ok .. it sounds like maybe your sound driver is not being detected/loaded, or perhaps the sound server cannot start
[10:00] <bobulor> rhelmer: muk_amd64 = computer guru, I = dontunderstandagoddamthing
[10:00] <rhelmer> bobulor: can you start a terminal and run the following:
[10:00] <salvius> hello, can anyone help me figure out why my battery monitor isn't working?
[10:00] <rhelmer> bobulor: hmm well can't you consult with him then ? :)
[10:00] <ompaul> bobulor, was that other operating system hard to use? (not gentoo the one before that :-))
[10:01] <bobulor> ompaul: gentoo was my first, and was too hard for me to keep up with. muk_amd64 gave me ubuntu
[10:01] <emile> does anyone of you guys have sound output from tvtime over an usb headset, and if yes how did you do it?
[10:02] <bobulor> rhelmer: I came here b/c muk is primarily a gentoo guy, and he couldn't solve my problems
[10:02] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok i would check the following in the terminal: ps -ef | grep esd
[10:02] <rhelmer> bobulor: basically, is esd (the sound server) running?
[10:02] <bobulor> rhelmer: robert    7928     1  0 Aug20 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[10:02] <bobulor> robert   28601 28079  0 02:02 pts/1    00:00:00 grep esd
[10:03] <bobulor> rhelmer: what's that mean?
[10:03] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok so it's running.. it was able to start up.. that's good :)
[10:03] <bobulor> rhelmer: what told you it's running?
[10:03] <rhelmer> bobulor: esd is runnig .. /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[10:04] <brent> has anybody ever heard of any train simulators for a young child? Just thought id ask while googling for hours to find one for my nephew.
[10:04] <bobulor> rhelmer: ...ok, so what's my next test?
[10:04] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok check System->Multimedia Systems Selector
[10:04] <sergi86> #palafrugell
[10:04] <rhelmer> under Audio tab, make sure the Default sink and Default source are ESD - Enlightened Sound Daemon
[10:05] <rhelmer> bobulor: you can click the "test" button there
[10:05] <rhelmer> bobulor: beware - the test sound is annoying :) make sure your speakers are not too high
[10:06] <emile> brent: there is something called trainz which has something to do with trains.
[10:06] <bobulor> rhelmer: they were on alsa. when i clicked test and waited a few seconds, nothing happened
[10:06] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok try changing to ESD instead of alsa
[10:06] <bobulor> rhelmer: i did make the change, and tested afterwards. Nothing happened
[10:07] <rhelmer> bobulor: the sound server (esd) allows multiple sounds to be played at once, on any sound card .. high end sound cards can actually play more than one sound at once
[10:07] <brent> emile: thanks, checking out now ;)
[10:08] <catfox> hi all. i'm just starting out with python/glade development and hit a stumbling block.
[10:08] <catfox> is there anyone here with a little experience of it? (i'm trying to get the X button to call gtk.main_quit()
[10:08] <bobulor> rhelmer: after I made the change, testing the default sink as esd made no noise. testing the default source made no noise and froze the testing pipeline application. I had to force quit it
[10:09] <catfox> oh crap, i did it! :)
[10:09] <Seveas> catfox, #python might be more appropriate
[10:09] <catfox> Seveas, ok, thanks.
[10:09] <brent> emile: lol, that looks cool for me, a 28 y.o.   my bad though, I need one a bit less complicated. My nephew is three, lol. But ty anyway.
[10:10] <bobulor> rhelmer: just for grins I changed the default sink back to alsa to test it. Not only did it not work but i got an error saying it couldn't even test alsa
[10:10] <emile> brent: i never used it i just saw it once. i'm not really into trains ;-)
[10:10] <Seveas> default source should be OSS, default sink ESD and esd should be running
[10:10] <bobulor> seveas: my comp is so screwed up. I think muk knew only about as much about ubuntu as me when he installed it
[10:10] <rhelmer> bobulor: if you want the sync to use alsa, you need to stop the sound server in System->Preferences->Sound
[10:11] <Lever> An update to the k7 kernel was issued yesterday or the day before.. Has anybody had any problems with it? I can no longer access my external harddrive, it's not detected anymore..
[10:11] <bobulor> rhelmer: i dont care whether it's in alsa or esd or any of the others. I dont know what they mean. Im just trying to make at least one of them work
[10:11] <rhelmer> bobulor: you generally want to leave sound server running though; it allows you to have more than one app making sound at once
[10:11] <rhelmer> bobulor: follow Saveas' advice above; make sure the default sink is ESD
[10:11] <brent> emile: its cool. no offense to you at all. I thank you. i just want to find a childrens game involving trains is all. something like thomas the train or something. he would love it. thanks anyway though
[10:11] <rhelmer> need to get some sleep... night all
[10:12] <emile> brent: yw
[10:12] <bobulor> rhelmer: after my fluke test of alsa, i made suyre everything was esd
[10:12] <Lever> brb
[10:12] <emile> is there an devicename in /dev for usbheadsets
[10:13] <Seveas> /dev/dsp2 (generally)
[10:13] <brent> ill keep searching. i wish walmart and such carried more linux games. wine perhaps would work, but i dont have it installed currently. might be a pain in the rear just to install one game. thinking of bustin out the ol W98 disk for dual boot, lol
[10:13] <emile> ok i'll try forcing tvtime audio output to that device
[10:13] <bobulor> seveas: rhelmer had me testing the default sink/source on Multimedia Systems Selector. I had both as esd but the test made no noise. What should I do?
[10:14] <Seveas> bobulor, default source should be oss, defult sink esd
[10:14] <Seveas> and check with pgrep esd whether esd is running
[10:15] <bobulor> seveas: I made the change for default source but the tests for both make no noise
[10:15] <Seveas> default source test should be silent, default sink can only make a noise if esd is running
[10:15] <Seveas> pgrep -l esd
[10:15] <Seveas> lsof /dev/dsp
[10:15] <bobulor> seveas: how do i know if esd is running? If not, how do i make it run?
[10:16] <bobulor> o
[10:16] <Seveas> paste the output of those commands in a private chat
[10:16] <emile> hmm doesnt make a difference using tvtime -x /dev/dsp2 still audio output on internal soundcard not on usb
[10:16] <bobulor> seveas: for "pgrep -l esd" i got the response 7928 esd
[10:17] <bobulor> seveas: how do i do private chat?
[10:17] <emile> in general can output from internal soundcard line-in be played on usb sound device?
[10:18] <Seveas> emile, hmm... sounds tricky...
[10:18] <Crissy> Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree, where do I point to for it to find it?
[10:18] <Seveas> flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player
[10:18] <emile> Seveas: what would be an approach if one wanted to try that?
[10:18] <Seveas> (multiverse)
[10:18] <Seveas> emile, it would require a line-in -> esd -> usb pipe
[10:19] <bobulor> seveas: it's getting late. Plus my lack of understanding/success is making my pissoff-o-meter hit its peak. Thank you for your help but I thinks it's best if I quit for the night. cya
[10:19] <Seveas> but the line-in -> esd part is the thing i'm not sure of
[10:19] <Seveas> bobulor, ok, cya later, sleep welL!
[10:19] <bobulor> aye
[10:20] <emile> Seveas: line-in is working i have audio output from linein on the speakers
[10:20] <emile> how to check if esd is processing those?
[10:21] <Seveas> you could try to record with esdrec (package esound-clients)
[10:21] <emile> i'll give it a try
[10:21] <Seveas> or esdmon
[10:22] <Crissy> seveas, this is what is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so is this all I need?
[10:22] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-file search /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.solibflash-mozplugin: usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so
[10:22] <TEG> Hi, I tried to install the kernel source in ubuntu but i keep getting this error : E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5-386
[10:23] <Seveas> TEG, linux-source-2.6.10
[10:23] <TEG> what seveas?
[10:23] <Seveas> that's the package name...
[10:23] <TEG> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:24] <TEG> i do this
[10:24] <TEG> then it get that error
[10:24] <Seveas> there are no kernel-* packages in Ubuntu except for a few bad imports back in Warty
[10:24] <TEG> k
[10:24] <TEG> then how to i get the right kernel to install my NFORCE?
[10:24] <Seveas> you have it my default
[10:24] <Seveas> Ubuntu kernels support nforce
[10:25] <Lever> My external harddrive is no longer automatically detected.. It just suddenly stopped. It's still accessible in Windows, so it's not a hardware thing. How would I go about troubleshooting this?
[10:25] <TEG> no the installer says that i dont have the proper kernel
[10:25] <Seveas> possibly you need to load a few modules manually (like forcedeth for network)
[10:25] <Seveas> installer for what?
[10:25] <TEG> NFOCE
[10:25] <TEG> NFORCE
[10:25] <Seveas> don't use installers for that
[10:25] <Seveas> all you need is in the linux kernel
[10:25] <Seveas> and all you need is available in stock Ubuntu kernels
[10:27] <emile> Seveas: esdmon is not giving any output when playing tv. i followed the sound guide on ubuntuguide to get sound working (and it does except line-in -> usb)
[10:27] <Lever> My HD :'( Does anybody know what to do about it?
[10:27] <Seveas> eeek emile
[10:28] <Seveas> that part of ubuntuguide is the crappiest
[10:28] <Seveas> Lever, gnome-volume-manager and hald running?
[10:28] <Lever> Yes, that part of ubuntuguide messed things up for me.
[10:28] <Seveas> the entire ubuntuguide.org is crap
[10:28] <emile> hehe
[10:28] <ompaul> !tell teg about nvidia
[10:29] <Lever> well gnome-volume-manager is running...
[10:29] <keith> does anyone know if Evolution supprts hotmail.com
[10:29] <Lever> Oh I wouldn't say the entire guide is crap.. It did sort some things out
[10:30] <Seveas> keith, you can use hotway as a proxy
[10:30] <Lever> hald is not running, whatever that is :)
[10:30] <Lever> doesnt show up in the system monitor at least
[10:31] <Seveas> well, that's your problem then
[10:31] <Seveas> did you uninstall hal?
[10:31] <keith> seveas, is hotway another emil client?
[10:31] <Lever> ah well ps -A shows hald
[10:32] <Lever> No, I didn't do anything except update the k7 kernel.. that's the only thing I can think of.. the update was issued yesterday or the day before
[10:32] <Seveas> keith, it is a hotmail-to-pop3 proxy
[10:32] <Seveas> you run it as a service on your machine and you can connect your e-mail client to hotway, which will in turn contact the hotmail server
[10:33] <Lever> I tried booting the old 386 kernel, but that didnt find the drive anymore
[10:33] <Lever> meh, all my goodies are on that drive :|
[10:33] <lancellor> hey guys how do iget something like taskbar
[10:34] <keith> seveas>  I'm new to this... how do you run services?
[10:35] <lancellor> when i run azureus and click the close button still running on background
[10:35] <Seveas> apt-get install hotway
[10:35] <Seveas> and read the docs in /usr/share/docs/hotway/
[10:36] <emile> lancellor: closing azureus leaves it running on the background leaving a clickable icon on the top right
[10:36] <keith> seveas, thanks.. I'll have to read up on it..
[10:37] <lancellor> i don't have the top right
[10:37] <KarlosII> WOW WOW WOW WOW, a breakthrough as big as the discovery of plastic and steel
[10:37] <KarlosII> http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003330.html
[10:37] <KarlosII> carbon nanotubes mass production breakthrough
[10:37] <KarlosII> the world will change
[10:39] <emile> lancellor: you don't have a clock in the right upper corner?
[10:39] <ompaul> !hotmail
[10:39] <ubotu> I guess hotmail is if you must use this microsoft product, consider hotway: hotwayd/hotsmtpd are POP3/SMTP-HTTPMail gateway daemons, also works for lycos spray and msn
[10:40] <emile> !usb
[10:40] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, emile
[10:40] <hondje> KarlosII: thanks for the link
[10:40] <lancellor> no i did not like it takes a lot of space
[10:40] <KarlosII> np
[10:40] <H0lyD4wg> the channel topic no longer says "Don't use Breezy!!1eleven". what happened?
[10:40] <derflo> is there a faq discussing differences between debian-ubuntu?
[10:41] <KarlosII> lol
[10:41] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, Colony CD 3 is out - the testing phase has started
[10:41] <Seveas> derflo: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[10:41] <derflo> thanks
[10:41] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, read: please test breezy and send a test report to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:41] <KarlosII> all patches are forwarded to the debian maintainers
[10:42] <derflo> am just looking for faq's because i got to reinstall my machine and I want to give ubuntu a try.
[10:43] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas: will do :)
[10:43] <adwait> aloha
[10:43] <hondje> One difference is that no one flammed you for asking ;-)
[10:43] <Seveas> :))
[10:44] <ompaul> emile can you say more about usb and what it was is that you are curious about?
[10:44] <emile> ompaul: getting audio line-in to work on usbheadset
[10:45] <emile> lancellor: my icons are in the notification area, perhaps you can add a notification area to your existing bars?
[10:46] <poningru> I had a question why cant we use pictbridge to print from linux?
[10:46] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PictBridge
[10:46] <ompaul> emile,  http://www.linuxlogin.com/linux/emu10k1.php
[10:46] <poningru> it would work with many printers
[10:46] <Lever> Can I manually mount an external harddrive? How do I find out the device name?
[10:46] <poningru> and no need to mess around with the drivers
[10:46] <emile> ompaul: i'll check it out
[10:49] <Lever> Anybody?
[10:50] <ook_> when installing new kernel package do I need to do anything but to select the package and install?
[10:50] <Gatton> Well XP has been excised and Ubuntu is now the main OS. Now I gotta configure Ubuntu all over again. A lot of preferences :)
[10:51] <ecker> i forgot how to get my net running on start up can someone remind me how?
[10:51] <derflo> does ubuntu come without kde?
[10:51] <ecker> derflo yes
[10:52] <Alex> derflo: Ubuntu doesn't have KDE as its default WM, but you can install it :)
[10:52] <Madpilot> derflo: Ubuntu uses Gnome; Kubuntu uses KDE
[10:52] <ook_> ecker: system->administration->networking
[10:52] <Alex> derflo: Kubuntu has KDE as the default KDE
[10:52] <Alex> er, default WM
[10:52] <ecker> derflo unless u want kde then use kubuntu
[10:52] <derflo> ah, ok
[10:53] <lancellor> did not work on notification area
[10:53] <adwait> ecker: pppoe?
[10:54] <derflo> is there anything i sould be aware of when switching from debian? link would be fine.
[10:54] <Madpilot> need sleep. good night/morning/$time_of_day, everyone
[10:54] <derflo> Madpilot: good night
[10:54] <ecker> adwait idk i do dhcpclient to get my net running when i start up
[10:54] <evader> Does 'dont use breezy' not being in the topic finally, mean it's nearly-stable, or not too risky?
[10:55] <adwait> evader: i asked tht in the morning........and was told, that it is more stable not, but it would still be a risk to upgrade
[10:55] <adwait> *now
[10:55] <evader> ok
[10:55] <ecker> im actually using kubuntu, but no one ever really talks inthere
[10:56] <adwait> hehehe
[10:56] <evader> thanks adwait, i'll hold off just a bit longer
[10:56] <adwait> evader: hmm..........i am doing ditto :)
[10:56] <nophix> ecker: #kubuntu :)
[10:56] <evader> adwait: i did switch once to breezy, quite a while ago - was ALMOST ok, except some apps i really needed at the time, broke.
[10:56] <evader> :(
[10:57] <adwait> evader: how much of a difference is there? apparently theres lots more eye candy in gnome now..............but i use IceWM, so doesn't really make a difference to me
[10:57] <evader> yeah well i use wmi alot of the time
[10:57] <evader> not after the eye cany
[10:58] <evader> candy*
[10:58] <crimsun> deFrysk: come again?
[10:58] <evader> just the tree switch really
[10:58] <evader> because i want some apps like Beagle to work better
[10:59] <adwait> evader: wmi....hmm, first time i heard of this window manager...........how is it?
[11:00] <H0lyD4wg> as far as logos go, wmi's wasps are among the best :)
[11:00] <crimsun> evader: you'll want to hold off on Breezy for a bit longer
[11:00] <stizoner> how do i login as root?
[11:00] <ZincX> su
[11:01] <crimsun> !tell stizoner about root
[11:01] <Alex> stizoner: at a console, any root commands can be done with sudo (or sudo su -)
[11:01] <stizoner> no
[11:01] <lancellor> any like taskbar for gnome??
[11:01] <stizoner> no
[11:01] <adwait> !root
[11:01] <stizoner> no no no no
[11:01] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:01] <stizoner> lol
[11:01] <Alex> H0lyD4wg: Cough, I may be biased, but the Source Mage GNU/Linux Raven is cool :)
[11:01] <WodanTJ> hm i did a sudo su && passwd :)
[11:01] <stizoner> so that means i cant do simple right click commands on crap as root
[11:01] <stizoner> because it involves sudo
[11:01] <stizoner> konsol
[11:01] <WodanTJ> i have a fever so i didn't remember if i did give a password :)
[11:02] <crimsun> if you read the instructions, stizoner, you'll see another way
[11:02] <Alex> Anyway, you should never be in a WM as root - bad voodoo
[11:04] <hondje> Michael Robertson is going to log in an argue that, just watch
[11:04] <jtan325> how come when i do "man sscanf" it doesn't show anything?
[11:04] <crimsun> you don't have manpages-dev installed
[11:04] <jtan325> ok, thanks
[11:04] <Alex> hondje: He who play in root eventually kill tree
[11:04] <hondje> hehe
[11:05] <Seveas> zen-fu :)
[11:05] <alexander_> how can I check the current runlevel?
[11:06] <hondje> alexander_: runlevel
[11:06] <Alex> hondje: I quite happily do anything as root from my box with SELinux, but.. :)
[11:06] <stizoner> haha i did extact what it said, then i loged out and tryed login as root and said its not allowed
[11:06] <derflo> can i use apt-get without crunching synaptic?
[11:06] <stizoner> i just want 2 delete a folder wich i dont have permission for some reason 2 do
[11:06] <hondje> I might if on my gentoo hardened box, but probably wouldn't then either :)
[11:07] <derflo> mean: swap between the two
[11:07] <Seveas> derflo, you can't have apt-get and synaptic running at the same time
[11:07] <derflo> ah, ok
[11:07] <evader> derflo: yes you can swap between them
[11:07] <Seveas> but closing synaptic and then running apt get is OK
[11:07] <evader> use one at a time though
[11:07] <Seveas> they all operate on the sama database
[11:07] <Seveas> same*
[11:07] <Robinho_Peixoto> what it is equivalent to "ipconfig /flushdns" of windows ?
[11:07] <derflo> ah ok
[11:07] <jtan325> ifconfig?
[11:07] <stizoner> just delete a folder! thats all, yet my OS owns me, it like the govt... it knows whats best for me
[11:07] <Seveas> which is exactly why you can't use them both at the same time :)
[11:07] <Robinho_Peixoto> jtan325, no
[11:08] <Robinho_Peixoto> jtan325, ifconfig don't flsh the dns
[11:08] <derflo> does ubuntu use swsuspend or suspend2?
[11:08] <hondje> oh hey, you can use who -r too
[11:09] <derflo> forget it, i found the "resume" line on the faq
[11:09] <nophix> stizoner: sudo rm -rf /tehfolder, is that so hard?
[11:10] <stizoner> yes!
[11:10] <stizoner> it is
[11:10] <nophix> move to another distro
[11:10] <nophix> or get root
[11:10] <stizoner> i dont want to become this geek of commands who uses linux, and never get laid again, i like my mouse and being stupid
[11:10] <oceandead> hahaha
[11:10] <nophix> lol, troll
[11:11] <crimsun> there's absolutely no correlation, but nice try
[11:11] <Seveas> stizoner, great way to grt ignored...
[11:11] <Seveas> get*
[11:12] <jtan325> stizoner, linus torvalds has a kid
[11:12] <jtan325> and a wife obviously
[11:12] <jtan325> i am sure he had to get laid at least once after he became geek of commands
[11:12] <nophix> linus gets free sex
[11:12] <ms12> any one have gnome-panel running in breezy
[11:12] <jtan325> haven't you done a google search for "linux girls"?
[11:12] <DukGalNamu> CURSES!!! why can't there be a good d2 like game on the market??
[11:13] <ms12> !libcairo1
[11:13] <ubotu> ms12: I don't know
[11:13] <stizoner> there finally
[11:13] <nothingmuch> is there a font package for openoffice hebrew fonts?
[11:13] <nothingmuch> or do i need to convert the system fonts
[11:13] <ms12> !info libcairo1
[11:13] <ubotu> libcairo1: (Multi-platform 2D graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.3.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 118 kB, Installed size: 268 kB
[11:13] <ms12> !info libcairo1 v0.6
[11:14] <stizoner> actually linux is extreamly easy 2 use for idiots, my moms pc has ubuntu on it and she never has a problem, because she doesnt do a single thing except browse the web and thats it
[11:14] <crimsun> ms12: libcairo1 -> libcairo2
[11:14] <ms12> crimsun and how i tell apt that
[11:14] <deFrysk> stizoner, your mom is an idiot you mean ?
[11:14] <Seveas> apt-get install libcairo2
[11:14] <crimsun> ms12: come again?
[11:14] <ms12> i need to install gnome-panel and it keep asking for this lib
[11:14] <Seveas> hoary or breezy?
[11:15] <stizoner> yeah computer wise
[11:15] <ms12> breezy
[11:15] <ms12> libcairo0.6
[11:15] <oceandead> you upgraded to breezy didnt you ?
[11:15] <oceandead> good luck !
[11:15] <stizoner> its demanding people like me who have problems
[11:16] <DukGalNamu> why can't diablo2 just run?!?!?
[11:16] <Seveas> because it's a windows game..?
[11:16] <stizoner> just browse the web DukGalNamu
[11:16] <crimsun> it purportedly runs under Cedega
[11:16] <emile> Robinho_Peixoto, have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[11:16] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: it is supposed to run under wine
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: i got it about half way at one point...
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: i know, don't make me cry....
[11:17] <theD3viL> i must know what port gaim using for sending files?
[11:17] <stizoner> everytime i start it my firefox icon has moved... so i move it back 2 where i like it.... later on i reboot... its moved again! it dont wana stay still
[11:18] <libanes> hi dudes
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: don't reboot
[11:18] <stizoner> lol
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> ROFL
[11:18] <ms12> Seveas i am just testing breezy if it is a known problem then its ok. If not where can i report it?
[11:18] <stizoner> i gotta reboot 2 get into windows dude
[11:18] <libanes> i need to now the last kernel for p4 mobile 3.06
[11:18] <oceandead> yeah real tragedy - youre firefox icon moved 2cm
[11:18] <oceandead> your*
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: to play D2?
[11:18] <stizoner> no
[11:18] <stizoner> 2 watch porn
[11:18] <Seveas> ms12, there is a libcairo transition going on at the moment, you should run apt-get update frequently
[11:19] <stizoner> aint got the codec issue sorted out yet
[11:19] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: you don't need  windows for that :P
[11:19] <stizoner> 10% my stuff wont play
[11:19] <Seveas> and wait a few hours before reporting this as a bug (search through bugzilla too)
[11:19] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: you just need the w32 codecs... plust porn is safer on nix systems cause viruses can't do jack
[11:19] <stizoner> got those
[11:19] <ms12> ok Thanx seveas. By the way i have an empty partition and some time on my hand if some tests are required it would be a pleasure to help :)
[11:19] <Seveas> ms12, if you use rss, keep an eye on http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml to watch breezy progress
[11:19] <oceandead> bugzilla is such a pain to search through
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: and you need at LEAST mplayer and xine
[11:20] <quitte> will xorg 7 be in breezy?
[11:20] <stizoner> u know what? ive never had a virus in my life, and i never had an antivirus product
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: between those two you should be able to play just about anything
[11:20] <Seveas> ms12, tests are always welcomed, install the colony 3 on it and send a test report to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:20] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: good for you.. although you may have had worms and not known it..
[11:20] <ms12> ok Thanx seveas
[11:20] <nophix> stizoner: so how do you know you haven't virus? :D
[11:21] <Seveas> nophix, ignorance is bliss :)
[11:21] <theD3viL> Seveas, your right
[11:21] <stizoner> stand alone scanner
[11:21] <nophix> Seveas: :)
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: ain't that the truth
[11:21] <stizoner> i got nod32 scanner on one my pcs scans the rest
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: anywho, do you have mplayer and xine?
[11:21] <stizoner> doesnt kaffine use mplayer?
[11:21] <stizoner> something like that
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: no
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: apt-get install mplayer
[11:22] <deFrysk> sudo
[11:22] <oceandead> w32codecs vlc mplayer
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> and xine
[11:22] <oceandead> ive been able to watch everything ive tried
[11:22] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install totem-xine too
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> dont get totem
[11:23] <oceandead> yeah totem-xine as well
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> i hate totem
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> crashes like a mother
[11:23] <oceandead> i cant stand xine
[11:23] <Seveas> never happened here
[11:23] <oceandead> :P
[11:23] <nophix> i like totem
[11:23] <nophix> simple player
[11:23] <evader> gxine is sexy
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> ugly UI too
[11:23] <oceandead> hahaha
[11:23] <deFrysk> gxine is nice yeah
[11:23] <freewoody> How do I clear my bash shell history ?
[11:23] <deFrysk> anything starting with a g is nice
[11:24] <Seveas> rm ~/.bash_history
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> along with vlc, you can tell vlc COULD have a better UI, but it doesn't
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> deFrysk: ohh, i see, you like gnome then>
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> ?
[11:24] <oceandead> eh, big deal
[11:24] <deFrysk> DukGalNamu, how did you gueass ? l;p
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> deFrysk: hehe, i hate the gnome bloat...
[11:25] <deFrysk> lol DukGalNamu
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: does ubuntu ever consider shipping out with some stock colors that are less...... brown?
[11:26] <stizoner> i dont see mplayer in the repositorys, i got the win32 codecs installed and kaffine uses the xine engine excuse me
[11:26] <crimsun> stizoner: mplayer-$arch is in multiverse
[11:26] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, ask the style team :)
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: it should be in the same repo where you got the w32codecs
[11:27] <Crissy> hi, i'm "still" (read hours) trying to understand how to install gplflash, downloaded into /home/mima/FireFox Plugins and FireFox downloaded into /home/mima/My Downloads/Apps this can't be this hard to do!
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: great, i don't deal with graphic artists, they are to high strung o_0
[11:27] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu i think brown is authentic though i normally change it
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: i think
[11:27] <jtan325> Crissy, is that the flash plugin?
[11:28] <stizoner> nope, i got them all enabled, backports n everything, searched title and description: mplayer
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: i just keot thinking that my comp shat itself everytime i looked at my screen
[11:28] <Crissy> jtan, no, but I have that too in the same directory
[11:28] <stizoner> i think i may want to install the official ati driver at some point whenever i can figure it out, that may have something 2 do with it maybe
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: then add a repo from a search at apt-get.org
[11:28] <ilba7r> lol DukGalNamu then change the style :)
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: i wasn't sure how, and gnome whas too slow
[11:29] <Crissy> either one would be fine.
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: so i put fluxbox on instead
[11:29] <stizoner> thats ok i still got enough porn i could watch 24/7 for weeks, i just used it as an excuse 2 have windows on my machine when in fact..
[11:29] <stizoner> im afraid.. im really afraid...
[11:29] <stizoner> lol
[11:30] <stizoner> give me credit though ive been like almost a week 99.9% on kubuntu
[11:30] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu is fluxbox as fast and responsive as enlightenment and icewm
[11:30] <spola> porn is escapism
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: if not more so
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: compiling takes less than a minute on my system
[11:30] <crimsun> porn is extremely offtopic for #ubuntu.
[11:30] <Crissy> i'm really considering going back to madriva...
[11:30] <stizoner> good cause i dont leave the house i need 2 escape
[11:30] <TEG> i get this error when i want to open my nforce panel with the nvmixer command can any1 help me? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1467
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: of fluxbox
[11:31] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu great might give it a try then though i do not think any thing is faster then icewm
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: not when its a playing issue
[11:31] <jtan325> ilba7r, if you want super fast
[11:31] <jtan325> openbox
[11:31] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: it's offtopic, end of discussion.
[11:31] <jtan325> login is literally < 3 seconds
[11:32] <Seveas> if you want even faster: no WM at all...
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: discussion ended
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: well... yeah
[11:32] <ilba7r> Sevas exactly
[11:32] <ilba7r> yet i need openoffice or at least abiword
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: but then there is the hinderance of not being able to have three terminals in one screen at one time
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: fout
[11:32] <umboto> i tried launching mplayer and i get this error: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: you mean nano isn't good enough???
[11:32] <umboto> oh and btw i have a ati card
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:32] <jtan325> Seveas, what is the status of breezy
[11:33] <umboto> any ideas?
[11:33] <jtan325> i've noticed a subtle thing in the topic
[11:33] <jtan325> that "please don't use breezy yet" is gone
[11:33] <Seveas> TEG, apt-get install libqt3-mt
[11:33] <ilba7r> i review and write journal papers which is most of the time in pdf or word
[11:33] <Seveas> TEG, apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[11:33] <ilba7r> ftan will try that too
[11:33] <crimsun> jtan325: the emphasis is on "testing"
[11:34] <jtan325> lol yeah but since that message was removed
[11:34] <crimsun> currently many applications that rely on gtk are being retransitioned, so there's a bit of grief
[11:34] <jtan325> i was just wondering
[11:34] <jtan325> to cairo right?
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: you mean there isn't a command line pdf viewer yet??
[11:34] <crimsun> jtan325: new solib thus new package name
[11:34] <spola> DukGalNamu,  pdftotext
[11:34] <derflo> bye
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> now how a bout a command line text program that can properly display word documents?
[11:35] <spola> DukGalNamu, antiword
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> damn
[11:35] <spola> >:)
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> he is good
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:35] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu can i edit pdf files in it too? for comments and review
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: well, its pdf to text.. so you can give them an editted text file back...
[11:36] <Crissy> Hey guys, I may be female but i'm not dumb, and I can't believe that installing a pluging nor the upgrading of an app (firefox) is that hard. how about some help. I have read wiki's, installs from the mozilla site, soundforge etc and still no worky!!!
[11:36] <crimsun> Crissy: what are you trying to do?
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: but not a pdf back with editing
[11:36] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu they will never go to that thanx for your help
[11:37] <Crissy> crimsum, install firefox and flash either the defualt plugin or the gplflash
[11:37] <spola> ilba7r, i think kpdf (in kde>3.4) is what you're looking for, check it out
[11:37] <umboto> i tried launching mplayer and i get this error: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:37] <ilba7r> thanx for the information guys as usual i come here to learn from the best take care all :)
[11:37] <umboto> oh and btw i have a ati card
[11:37] <stizoner> anyone got $10,000 to loan me for startup cost for a business selling pcs with ubuntu/kubuntu installed on them? :D
[11:37] <umboto> any ideas?
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: already doing that kindof
[11:37] <ilba7r> spola for editing i use kword the only package i found that can edit pdf in crude way
[11:37] <Crissy> my firefox is v1.02 and want to upgrade to the more recent. apt-get -u update has not worked
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: why the hell do you need 10k?
[11:38] <umboto> Crissy,  just use the ubuntu update manager
[11:38] <crimsun> Crissy: are you using Warty?
[11:38] <stizoner> barter get it down to $5000
[11:38] <umboto> it should work
[11:38] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: i can build a system with ubuntu on it for like 275...
[11:38] <stizoner> need a site thats like $1000 right there
[11:39] <Seveas> stizoner, please stop the off-topic rambling...
[11:39] <stizoner> yeah i can build em for under $100
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: but i am local only
[11:39] <stizoner> i mean $200*
[11:39] <Crissy> update manager ignores it, has not worked yet. I'm on amd64-k8
[11:39] <stizoner> doh
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: who is you supplier?
[11:39] <crimsun> Crissy: lsb_release -a
[11:39] <crimsun> Crissy: paste in #flood
[11:39] <stizoner> the web, lol
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: what type of syste you talking about?
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: a p3??
[11:40] <Crissy> hoary 5.04
[11:40] <x[x] > heeeeeeeeey
[11:40] <Seveas> Crissy, have hoary-security and hoary-updates enabled then
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> its the fonz
[11:41] <x[x] > i got the ubuntu error 19 error
[11:41] <Seveas> Crissy: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:41] <stizoner> i have sorta a business (i dont really make a living off it, still live with folks) but i buy parts on sale mostly, where bestbuy or compusa can buy them in such bulk they can get them lower then anyone else... then they put something on sale after rebate (give it away for free), plus just lots of online hunting for deals
[11:41] <Seveas> stizoner, last warning, stop the off-topic talking
[11:41] <stizoner> oh i missed where there was a topic
[11:41] <Crissy> seveas, how do I know they are enabled?
[11:42] <crimsun> (use #ubuntu-offtopic for other discussions)
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: i am getting you in trouble, sorry
[11:42] <stizoner> again DukGalNamu !
[11:42] <Seveas> Crissy, if the are uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list they are enabled :)
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> hehe
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> well its late, i must go
[11:42] <spola> pdf editing: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209&tid=49&tid=47
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> gnight Seveas
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> gnight all
[11:44] <umboto> okay i think i solved my problem on my own
[11:44] <umboto> im uninstalling xorg server
[11:44] <umboto> and installing xserver free86
[11:44] <Seveas> bad idea...
[11:44] <umboto> and installing the ati drivers
[11:44] <Seveas> VERY bad idea even...
[11:44] <umboto> ?
[11:45] <umboto> hmm
[11:45] <umboto> maybe i should undo..
[11:45] <umboto> before i reboot
[11:45] <umboto> lol
[11:46] <umboto> i tried launchmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:47] <umboto> so i thought maybe i should install xserver free86
[11:47] <umboto> and install the opengl drivers i see on snypatic
[11:47] <umboto> well the os die on me?
[11:47] <umboto> will ubuntu die on me*
[11:48] <wickedpuppy> eh ... how you know missing libgl is the x.org prob ?
[11:48] <umboto> i dunno, i tried looking on the fourms and on google, and the only people that have that problem are people with nvidia cards
[11:48] <umboto> since i have a ati card
[11:49] <umboto> i was figuring x.org didn't have support for opengl accel, yet
[11:49] <umboto> well for amd64
[11:49] <umboto> ubuntu
[11:49] <umboto> on ati cards
[11:50] <wickedpuppy> i am sorry ... isn't that the graphics card issue ??
[11:50] <umboto> i dunno, i think its a more of a driver issue
[11:50] <umboto> it can't find a certain file
[11:50] <wickedpuppy> have you tried finding it on synaptic ?
[11:50] <umboto> yea
[11:50] <umboto> i found some ati drivers
[11:51] <umboto> but it said it required free86
[11:51] <umboto> so thats why i installed it
[11:51] <umboto> and removed x.org
[11:51] <wickedpuppy> oh ok
[11:51] <wickedpuppy> now i know why you did it
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> lol
[11:52] <umboto> whats gonna happen
[11:52] <umboto> i dont want a bsod
[11:52] <umboto> when i reboot
[11:52] <umboto> :-(
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> never seen 1
[11:52] <Seveas> xfree is no longer supported
[11:52] <Seveas> xorg is the future
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> yup
[11:52] <umboto> doh
[11:52] <Seveas> adn you should not use installers from ati.com
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> most distros switched to x.org
[11:52] <umboto> crap
[11:52] <Seveas> use the drivers provided by ubuntu
[11:53] <umboto> i did use an installer from ati
[11:53] <Seveas> :|
[11:53] <umboto> oh man
[11:53] <umboto> maybe thats why
[11:53] <umboto> :-/
[11:53] <umboto> well gotta reformat again..... :-(
[11:53] <wickedpuppy> umboto, did you ask for help about this problem here before removing x.org ?
[11:53] <umboto> actually yes
[11:53] <umboto> i asked a question 3 times
[11:54] <umboto> before i took my own actions
[11:54] <umboto> i guess no one knew what i was talking about
[11:54] <Seveas> you should not have to reformat
[11:54] <umboto> its okay though
[11:54] <umboto> i don't?
[11:54] <Seveas> just remove xfree and reinstall xorg + linux-YOUR_ARCH
[11:54] <umboto> i see
[11:54] <umboto> how about removing the ati driver i installed?
[11:55] <Seveas> (that is: linux-686 for intel, linux-k7 for amd, linux-ppc for mac linux-k8 for amd64)
[11:55] <Seveas> apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[11:55] <Seveas> that should overwrite any damage done by the ati installer
[11:55] <umboto> sweet
[11:55] <umboto> thanks Seveas
[11:57] <filip_> how can i setup and ftp server easy in ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[11:57] <evader> install proftpd
[11:58] <umboto> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#ftpserver
[11:58] <filip_> Ok
[11:58] <thoreauputic> filip_: or pure ftpd & pureadmin if you want a GUI admin interface
[11:58] <umboto> :-)
[11:58] <filip_> GUI what is that meen?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> graphical user interface
[11:59] <umboto> GUI=windows
[11:59] <umboto> instead of console
[11:59] <filip_> okey, then i whant an GUI program.
[11:59] <x[x] > hmm
[12:00] <x[x] > im gettin the error 18 error with the grub loader
[12:00] <thoreauputic> filip_: then install pure-ftpd and pureadmin
[12:00] <umboto> brb
[12:00] <thoreauputic> Filbert: to start the interface type pureadmin
[12:00] <filip_> thoreauputic: i on my way :=)
[12:00] <HappyFool> grub error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[12:01] <redarrow> 'lo all
[12:01] <x[x] > shit
[12:01] <x[x] > argh
[12:01] <x[x] > ill be back about 40 mins
[12:02] <x[x] > i'd love some help though
[12:02] <x[x] > brb
[12:02] <filip_> thoreauputic: is easy to setup an ftp server in pure-ftpd ?
[12:02] <theD3viL-> Where is alsa? /dev/what?
[12:03] <HappyFool> x[x] : give us more details -- like, have you just installed ubuntu, etc.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> filip_: it just runs by default - the graphical interface starts when you type "sudo pureadmin"
[12:03] <HappyFool> alsa provides several devices, i believe; e.g., /dev/dsp
[12:03] <thoreauputic> filip_: make sure you install both packages if you want that
[12:04] <filip_> io have install both package and run pureadmin hoc can i connect to my server now?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> filip_: be aware that ftp is pretty insecure - you'll want to read about securing it too
[12:05] <redarrow> this might sound kinda dum.. but how do I install ubuntu onto hdd from the "live cd" ??
[12:05] <HappyFool> you can't; that's why there's a separate install CD
[12:05] <redarrow> oh?
[12:06] <filip_> when i close pureadmin, can i connect to my server then ?
[12:06] <redarrow> great
[12:06] <TEG> How do i open port 6881 in linux? its open in my router but azureus keeps giving these errors..
[12:06] <thoreauputic> filip_: pureadmin has nothing to do with that - it's just a pretty front end for administering the server
[12:07] <thoreauputic> filip_: if the server is running you can sonnect anyway
[12:07] <HappyFool> TEG: by default all ports (>1024) should be openable by users; what error si it (don't paste more than 2 lines here)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> *connect
[12:08] <TEG> when i test port 6881, it always gives an error
[12:08] <TEG> in azuerus
[12:08] <HappyFool> what is the error?
[12:08] <filip_> how to get i running ?
[12:08] <TEG> Testing port 6881 ... NAT Error
[12:08] <thoreauputic> filip_: as I said, it runs by default
[12:08] <redarrow> so .. uh .. it's positivley impossible then?? I cant copy the kernel image onto hdd as well as all the data files?
[12:09] <filip_> so now it running? how can i connect to it then? my ip?
[12:09] <TEG> HappyFool?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> filip_: use an ftp client as you normally do....
[12:09] <HappyFool> redarrow: it's not designed to be installed from; maybe you can hack it, but I have no idea how. Probably more trouble than it's worth
[12:10] <filip_> yes but what is the adress?
[12:10] <Crissy> seveas, i'm updating now, after adding the repositories, the updater found 62 packages to update.
[12:10] <HappyFool> TEG: hmm. sorry, not sure. I don't think that's a firewall-type issue
[12:10] <thoreauputic> filip_: are you sure you want an ftp server? Sounds like you aren't sure what you are doing  here...
[12:10] <redarrow> HappyFool: *oh well* - I wonder why they don't put the install disk on those "toasters"
[12:10] <filip_> yes i am sure, i had an ftp-server in windows.
[12:11] <HappyFool> redarrow: i thought they did (not that i've used one). Which one did you use?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> filip_: then you should know how to connect, surely ?
[12:11] <redarrow> HappyFool: Port Elizabeth.. It's only got the live CD
[12:12] <HappyFool> redarrow: oh, i see you're right. that is very silly
[12:12] <filip_> yes whit my ip but htat dont work, in windows i just type my ip in firefox but now it dont work
[12:12] <HappyFool> heh. so they have install cd's for mandriva, fedora, debian and freebsd but not ubuntu!
[12:12] <redarrow> yep
[12:13] <thoreauputic> filip_: try using an ftp client - say gftp
[12:13] <filip_> okey.
[12:13] <HappyFool> redarrow: there aren't even any requests for it here: http://www.freedomtoaster.org/?q=node/29
[12:14] <HappyFool> redarrow: oh, hang on. if i look at this page: http://www.freedomtoaster.org/?q=node/29   the implication is that the hoary CD is there
[12:14] <filip_> in host should i type my ip nummber there?
[12:15] <HappyFool> redarrow: "Ubuntu Warty, Hoary and Hoary Live CD" -- i read that as everything but Warty Live CD
[12:16] <thoreauputic> filip_: yes that should work - for port select 21
[12:16] <filip_> okey, now i get it work
[12:16] <thoreauputic> filip_: are you testing on your local network?
[12:16] <filip_> yes
[12:16] <thoreauputic> so it's working now, right ?
[12:16] <redarrow> happyFool: I just have "Hoary Live" .. maybe I missed the other one's somehow? but I certainly don't remember seeing them.
[12:16] <filip_> no
[12:17] <filip_> i need to make users
[12:18] <filip_> how can i do?
[12:18] <HappyFool> redarrow: i've never used one, as i said, so i don't know. my suspicion is that you did miss something. Not having the install CD would be a very odd, given who is funding the toaster.
[12:18] <thoreauputic> filip_: well, read the man page, visit the website, find out how to do what you need
[12:18] <thoreauputic> filip_: we can't run your server for you, really
[12:18] <Lever> How do I install Azureus? I can't find it using apt.   I'll go have another look as soon as I get the chance
[12:19] <HappyFool> !azureus
[12:19] <ubotu> azureus is, like, a popular bittorent client written in Java, it can be downloaded from the hoary-extras repository
[12:19] <HappyFool> redarrow: i'm waiting for breezy to be released to try it
[12:19] <HappyFool> redarrow: fairly easy to use? general impressions?
[12:20] <redarrow> HappyFool: Oh yes, something like an ATM, just poke, poke, insert cd, and zip!
[12:20] <ubuntuNeedHelp> have problems getting firefox work with Ubuntu LIve CD, any tips?
[12:21] <HappyFool> redarrow: cool. i'm tempted to go just to try it out ;)
[12:22] <bz0b> hey yall
[12:22] <redarrow> HappyFool: Actually that's probably why I iniatially went ;)
[12:22] <Lever> Ok so I need the hoary-extras repository.. What's the sources.list line?
[12:22] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras
[12:22] <ubotu> I heard hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:23] <bz0b> is it possible to remove packages after the install?
[12:23] <Lever> I see, thanks
[12:23] <bz0b> with like synaptic
[12:23] <HappyFool> bz0b: yip
[12:23] <spiral> bz0b: look for the package and remove it with synaptic
[12:23] <ubuntuNeedHelp> Should Internet work out-of-box with Live CD?
[12:23] <topyli> ubuntuNeedHelp: it should
[12:23] <Crissy> Anyone know how to backup the installed packages in case of problem, or doing the complete install better?
[12:23] <HappyFool> bz0b: in synaptic, right click the package, and 'Mark for removal' or 'mark for complete removal'
[12:24] <HappyFool> ubuntuNeedHelp: probably depends on hardware etc, but i think that's the idea
[12:24] <PurpleMotion> Would it be possible to get the source to ubotu? I love the way he operates, and I would really like a bot for this new channel I just made.. I'd like to see it grow
[12:25] <ubuntuNeedHelp> ok.. I couldnt get out on internet first at all, then I set a name and domain on the machine and relogged in
[12:25] <ubuntuNeedHelp> and i got this IRC working. and for a veryt short time i managed to reach google
[12:25] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i guess ubotu is just another bot grabbed from freshmeat, there are dozens of them
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> !ubotu source
[12:26] <ubotu> Not a clue, PurpleMotion
[12:26] <kemik> ubotu extras is deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:26] <ubotu> ...but extras is already something else...
[12:26] <kemik> !extras
[12:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> !ubotu-ource
[12:26] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, PurpleMotion
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> !ubotu-source
[12:26] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Bugger all, i dunno
[12:26] <HappyFool> PurpleMotion: there's something called 'eggdrop' in universe
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> blah
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> yeah i dont want an eggdrop bot
[12:26] <topyli> !ubotu
[12:26] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> I want a bot just like ubotu
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> i love the way he works
[12:27] <HappyFool> you're never the most coherent poster, you arrogant bit-bucket
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> sometimes he's more coherent than me :D
[12:27] <raven3x7> hi
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war
[12:27] <ubotu> kubuntu rules over mandriva
[12:27] <kemik> ubotu could be an eggdrop
[12:27] <ubotu> kemik: What?
[12:27] <kemik> just som tcl script added
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> !start a WM war
[12:27] <ubotu> fluxbox decimates fvwm
[12:27] <raven3x7> anyone know how to clean up the apt cache?
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> I don't think ubotu is an eggdrop, but if he is, it's the script that I want ;)
[12:28] <HappyFool> raven3x7: how about 'apt-get clean' ?
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> or apt-get update
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> that should set the apt-cache straight
[12:28] <topyli> hm, the web page doesn't mention the type of the bot
[12:28] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I think ubotu is a blootbot
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic:  how would i find out?
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> !version
[12:28] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, PurpleMotion
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, what kind of bot are you?
[12:28] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: what are you talking about?
[12:29] <kemik> thoreauputic:  because of his ident? =)
[12:29] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: don't know - but he's like tha dpkg bot on #debian
[12:29] <raven3x7> HappyFool, by clean i meant to delete the stored packets
[12:29] <filip_> thoreauputic: you sad that pureftpd runs by default but i oureadmin i see that pureftpd don run ?
[12:29] <filip_> dont run
[12:29] <HappyFool> raven3x7: stored packages?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> filip_:  sudo pureadmin
[12:29] <HappyFool> raven3x7: check the man page for apt-get; afaict, that's what clean does
[12:29] <filip_> okey
[12:30] <thoreauputic> filip_: you need admin rights
[12:30] <raven3x7> heh
[12:30] <raven3x7> o:
[12:30] <filip_> still dont run
[12:30] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  "The slowest and most bloated bot in the world" heheehe
[12:31] <topyli> what's that? eggdrop?
[12:31] <kemik> topyli:  blootbot, from www.blootbot.org
[12:31] <topyli> ah
[12:31] <kemik> topyli:  erh. blootbot.sourgeforge.net ;)
[12:31] <filip_> thoreauputic: you know how to start the server ?
[12:31] <kemik> filip_:  ever tried consulting the web or man-pages?
[12:32] <topyli> kemik: thanks
[12:32] <kemik> filip_:  you'll never truly *learn* if you're just spoonfed
[12:32] <HappyFool> dammit, emacs keeps crashing
[12:32] <kemik> HappyFool:  gvim ;>
[12:32] <dfeed> hmmm... this may be a little off-topic, but anyone have any idea why a website I'm trying to look at is scanning strange ports and timing out because my firewall won't tell it they're closed?
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> why do people insist on recommending variations of vi
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> there are SO many better editors now
[12:33] <thoreauputic> filip_: it's running if you installed pure-ftpd - but try  sudo /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart
[12:33] <HappyFool> dfeed: eek. sounds a bit intrusive
[12:33] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  because Vi is simply "teh best"
[12:33] <topyli> kemik: apparently it's also the worst documented :)
[12:33] <jimcooncat> dfeed, stay out of those places, man!
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> not
[12:33] <filip_> kemik: yes but now thoreauputic sad that it will run by default and it dont and i cant get it work and i think he know how to do.
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> i hate vi
[12:33] <kemik> topyli:  yes :)
[12:33] <filip_> thanx
[12:33] <topyli> !ed
[12:33] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[12:33] <dfeed> HappyFool: it's weird. it's not even a remotely dodgy site...
[12:34] <thoreauputic> filip_: it *does* run by default - you should be able to connect to it
[12:34] <dfeed> HappyFool: it's long running webcomic sluggy.com
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> a text editor should be easy to use..t here shouldn't be 30+ :whatever commands you have to memorize in order to be able to change one line of a file
[12:34] <kemik> oh christ. hardly got out of ed
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> sure vi is easy once you learn it
[12:34] <dfeed> scanning in the range of 1317-1322
[12:34] <topyli> PurpleMotion: there really is only a few
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> but my point is a text editor should have _no_ learning curve
[12:34] <kemik> :i :wq!
[12:34] <kemik> all you need for the basics
[12:35] <topyli> kemik: just i actually :)
[12:35] <filip_> okej, i will try now if it work
[12:35] <kemik> topyli:  mmh true :)
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> why not just move my cursor where i want to edit text, check the state of 'insert' and go for it
[12:35] <jimcooncat> PurpleMotion, I've tried and I don't get vi very well.
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> jimcooncat:  it's really not bad.. there's a tutorial even
[12:35] <kemik> PurpleMotion: that's why you use gvim :)
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> try the command: tutorial
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> i think
[12:36] <kemik> vitutor or vimtutor is great for learning vi/vim
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> or vi-tutorial
[12:36] <jimcooncat> ty
[12:36] <topyli> kemik: ah, they have docs in the cvs
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> there ya go
[12:36] <thoreauputic> filip_: note that you are running a private ftpd - it will need a password
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> but i still maintain you shouldnt have to do all that to edit a text file
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> heh
[12:36] <HappyFool> filip_: why do you want to run an ftp server anyway
[12:36] <thoreauputic> filip_: your user password in fact
[12:37] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  there are of course other editors "more easy to use"
[12:37] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: I'm shuddering at the thought of someone running an ftp server and asking these kinds of questions...
[12:37] <PurpleMotion> I LOVE pico (actually its nano now isnt it), but I only use the VERY basic features... im sure if i had to learn any more commands than i know, i'd feel a level of disdain towards it :D
[12:37] <kemik> but coding in gvim is totally ok
[12:37] <filip_> HappyFool: what you think? share my file whit some frineds.
[12:37] <kemik> pico doesnt respect linebreaks etc correctly
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> er
[12:37] <PurpleMotion> kemik:  yeah, i know.. my point is people defend vi/m RELIGIOUSLY, and I think it's silly
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> pico doesn't have any advanced features
[12:37] <topyli> PurpleMotion: have you gotten syntax highlighting to work with nano?
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> thats what i mean
[12:38] <kemik> pico is like notepad.. good for some real easy tasks
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> i havent tried
[12:38] <filip_> thoreauputic: but when i try to make users i need to made an file but that dont work.
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> pico is my CLI text editor
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> all i do with it is edit simple text files
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> youw ant syntax highlighting for everything under the sun, get eclipse
[12:38] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  i used to use pico aswell.. but had to learn a more powerful editor, so i choose vim
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> THAT is a really pimpin IDE
[12:38] <kemik> eclipse is nice yeah
[12:39] <kemik> used it for java development
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> kemik:  it's a TEXT EDITOR (this is my whole point)?!?!? what do you need by way of 'more power'? lol, i just fail to see it
[12:39] <kemik> but the schoolcomputers usually hang when using eclipse, and it's a bit sluggish
[12:39] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i really do want syntax highlighting for config files and shell scripts too. that's what we edit every day isn't it?
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> i didnt know such highlighting existed
[12:39] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  see topyli
[12:40] <thoreauputic> filip_: I'm sorry - I think you need to do some research before running a server: I suggest you read the web page for pure-ftpd and the man page, and maybe search tldp.org
[12:40] <kemik> there's highlighting for everything... almost ;)
[12:40] <filip_> okey i will
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> topyli:  now that you mention it, bash, sh, csh, tcsh, and ksh syntax highlighting would be REALLY nice in nano.. I will look into it.. if it's possible, trust me ill figure out how to do it
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> vi has syntax highlighting?
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> heheh
[12:40] <filip_> but i can said that it was much eays in windows to run an ftp-server
[12:41] <kemik> vim has
[12:41] <topyli> PurpleMotion: vim does, vi doesn't
[12:41] <jimcooncat> filip_, if you're just doing it for friends and not the public, why not go with ssh?
[12:41] <kemik> Vi isnt very good imo :)
[12:41] <kemik> ViM otoh
[12:41] <HappyFool> can you still get vi?
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> yaknow, vi was the only section of the LPIC-1 exam I felt like I was actually going to have to _study_ (thank god i read the rest though, lots of useful information)
[12:41] <filip_> jimcooncat: i dont now what that is.
[12:41] <newbie> greetings, iam trying to setup my connection using pppoeconf in which i gave my isp's user and pwd - i gave my dns address in resolve.cong but i find it different in the log . please check the log here http://pastebin.com/342158
[12:41] <kemik> PurpleMotion:  http://hem.passagen.se/wking/vimrc.txt  <-- save as ~/.vimrc  and you'll have alot of nice features
[12:41] <Angrod> how do i convert a .rpm to a .deb ?
[12:42] <HappyFool> !alien
[12:42] <ubotu> well, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[12:42] <PurpleMotion> Angrod:  alien
[12:42] <topyli> HappyFool: nvi is supposed to be very faithful to the original bsd vi
[12:42] <DarkRaika> can someone help me with my monitor?
[12:42] <topyli> HappyFool: was default in woody. ewww.
[12:42] <newbie> can someone help me with my broadband connection ?
[12:42] <PurpleMotion> Angrod:  install alien (if its not), download the rpm, type: alien file.rpm :: the next part is IMPORTANT. you want to TEST it before you install it for real, so type: dpkg -i --no-act package.deb
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> if all goes well, type: dpkg -i package.deb
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> you should do that with ANY deb file you download manually or create :)
[12:43] <Grat> ellow guys
[12:43] <spola> what's good food to eat to get rid of a hangover?
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> allo Grat
[12:43] <jimcooncat> filip_: openssh is worth the research. Putty is a good way to start getting used to it. WinSCP is a great tool for windoze users.
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> brb, all
[12:43] <DarkRaika> I have a problem with my monitor
[12:43] <DarkRaika> can someone help?
[12:43] <HappyFool> newbie: why did you put your ip in resolv.conf?
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> spola:  drink three tall glasses of water and take ACETAMINOPHAN(SP?) (tylenol)
[12:43] <filip_> okey
[12:44] <HappyFool> DarkRaika: be more specific
[12:44] <DarkRaika> ok
[12:44] <spola> :)
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> you have a hangover because your body slept in a state of severe dehydration
[12:44] <DarkRaika> I just bought a Dell Trinitron 21" monitor
[12:44] <topyli> spola: in my experience, gin works well
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> yeah a little hair of the dog works too ;)
[12:45] <newbie> HappyFool: thats my dns address .
[12:45] <spola> it's too early to start drinkin
[12:45] <DarkRaika> and it has a faint horizontal line running accross the page
[12:45] <Grat> spola: you should have drank as much watter as you could before you went to bed
[12:45] <DarkRaika> 1/3 from the top of the screen
[12:45] <DarkRaika> and 1/3 from the bottom up
[12:45] <topyli> PurpleMotion: hair of the dog's arse. gin comes in BOTTLES man!
[12:45] <DarkRaika> is this normal?
[12:45] <kemik> DarkRaika:  yes
[12:45] <sly> too early?
[12:45] <sly> i been drinkingsince 8am
[12:45] <kemik> DarkRaika:  that normal for trinitron monitors
[12:46] <DarkRaika> ok
[12:46] <Angrod> how can i change my root password?
[12:46] <newbie> HappyFool : the address i have in resolve.conf is my dns not my ip address
[12:46] <kemik> !root
[12:46] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:46] <DarkRaika> kool
[12:46] <topyli> Angrod: you have one?
[12:46] <DarkRaika> one more question about it
[12:46] <spola> Grat, i wish i did ... but i passed out (lets get back OT tho)
[12:47] <newbie> Angrod : sudo  yourusername  and type ur pwd
[12:47] <DarkRaika> I got it running at 60Hz at the moment
[12:47] <newbie> someone can help me with pppoeconf?
[12:47] <HappyFool> newbie: the entries in resolv.conf should be 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' and 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>', as far as i know
[12:47] <DarkRaika> the guy I bought it from said it is suppose to run at, at least 85Hz
[12:47] <DarkRaika> if this is so
[12:47] <ocool> hello all
[12:47] <DarkRaika> how fast can I run the monitor at
[12:47] <newbie> HappyFool : yes. man i shld have known it.. did that once in redhat. thanks
[12:47] <ocool> can you help me? I search a german ubuntu channel
[12:47] <DarkRaika> cause if I run it too fast, will it blow up my monitor
[12:48] <kemik> DarkRaika:  no it probably wont blow up...
[12:48] <topyli> DarkRaika: probably not. it will display a text "out of range" or similar
[12:48] <newbie> HappyFool : how can we be sure that the node is connected to isp ?
[12:48] <HappyFool> newbie: i thought the dialup/ifup scripts would do that automatically for you, though
[12:48] <Pogopuschel-> ocool: #ubuntu-de
[12:48] <DarkRaika> thx kemik, topyli
[12:48] <topyli> DarkRaika: find the monitor's specs from the manufacturer's website so you can config your X precisely
[12:49] <newbie> HappyFool: the  dns ip u are seein in the log isnt the right one. we have only one dns server
[12:49] <HappyFool> newbie: i'm not sure; try 'ping' i, guess (e.g., ping the nameserver)
[12:49] <ocool> @Pogopuschel- thx
[12:49] <newbie>  nope, ping isnt helpin .  ping gives timeout ..
[12:49] <HappyFool> do you know the IP addr of your nameserver?
[12:50] <newbie> i do  and thats the ip i have in resolve.conf .. without nameserver
[12:50] <newbie> i guess nameserver is a must in resolve.conf
[12:50] <HappyFool> make it 'nameserver    <IP_ADDRESS>'   (replace <IP_ADDRESS> with ip addr)
[12:50] <newbie> yeah
[12:50] <newbie> let me give it a shot. thanks
[12:51] <HappyFool> anyway, you should be able to ping that ip addr, regardless
[12:51] <newbie> i can ping the ip address i assigned to the lan card and also  loop back add which is strange
[12:51] <HappyFool> also, maybe check your routing -- i don't know what line 15 means
[12:51] <newbie> i have only one lan card . i assigned ip while installin ubuntu
[12:53] <linux_ubuntu> hi
[12:53] <kemik> newbie:  can you ping anything except your own NIC and loopback?
[12:53] <Pogopuschel-> newbie: Do a "traceroute x.x.x.x"
[12:54] <Pogopuschel-> pick some andom address
[12:54] <newbie> kemik : no
[12:54] <morbidi> traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:54] <morbidi> :D
[12:54] <Pogopuschel-> :))
[12:54] <newbie> Pogopuschel-:  traceroute isnt workin
[12:54] <kemik> newbie:  try "arp"
[12:54] <Angrod> hmm, i tried to install Java to Firefox... but the file got saved as a .bin file... what to do? :x
[12:54] <newbie> kemik : sorry , whats arp?
[12:54] <HappyFool> !java
[12:54] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:54] <Pogopuschel-> newbie: What's not workin? What do you get?
[12:54] <HappyFool> Angrod: read that page for instructions on installing java
[12:54] <kemik> newbie:  it'll tell you if your network device is connected to anything else
[12:55] <topyli> Angrod: there are deb packages apt-gettable for ubuntu
[12:55] <kemik> Pogopuschel-:  dont think traceroute is installed by default
[12:55] <Pogopuschel-> kemik: should be..
[12:55] <kemik> it wasnt here :)
[12:55] <HappyFool> try 'tracepath' instead
[12:55] <kemik> i installed it yesterday
[12:55] <Pogopuschel-> oh :)
[12:55] <kemik> newbie:  does "arp" give you anything?
[12:56] <newbie> kemik : iam on windows now :)
[12:56] <kemik> newbie:  ah.. i c
[12:56] <kemik> newbie:  dualboot ?
[12:56] <newbie> i shld reboot and check it out  .. will do that in a min
[12:56] <newbie> kemik : yes
[12:56] <Angrod> oki, thanks HappyFool :D
[12:56] <jblu> can someone tell me the app. or GUI for MusicBrainz?
[12:57] <kemik> newbie:  just copy-paste networksettings from windows to ubuntu then ;)
[12:57] <newbie> i wish :p
[12:57] <Pogopuschel-> so, what's your nameserver on windows?
[12:57] <Pogopuschel-> just copy it :)
[12:58] <kemik> newbie:  open a command-window ("dos-mode") and type "ipconfig"
[12:58] <newbie> Pogopuschel- : i did and i fimrly belive that  because i dont have nameserver before that ip iam unable t goonline
[12:58] <kemik> newbie:  a nameserver isnt required to surf
[12:58] <tomaj> is there a way to have the computer start up by itself and log in and start a program?
[12:58] <kemik> newbie:  all it does is resovle names to IP#..
[12:59] <newbie> newbie : it is required to resolves?
[12:59] <newbie> yeah
[12:59] <tomaj> newbie has attitude lol
[12:59] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: What do you want excatly? Do you want to power on a computer from remote?
[12:59] <kemik> newbie:  <IP_ADDRESS>  <- that's google.. see if you can surf there from ubuntu
[12:59] <tomaj> pogopuschel: no from a time
[01:00] <tomaj> timer*
[01:00] <newbie> tomaj : dude, i aint newbie to computers man .. iam new to linux so i know what the stuff they are talkin about
[01:00] <kemik> newbie:  if that doesnt work then it's not your nameserver but something else
[01:00] <newbie> kemik : k thanks
[01:00] <kemik> newbie:  and do type "ipconfig" and write down that stuff
[01:00] <newbie> aight brb .. thanks a lot guys.
[01:00] <tomaj> newbie: i realised that
[01:00] <newbie> k kemik. thanks
[01:00] <Pogopuschel-> kemik: He can't ping anythingso he can't surf either :)
[01:00] <kemik> Pogopuschel-:  then it's not his nameserver
[01:01] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: Your BIOS gives you some options to power on by a specific time
[01:01] <kemik> but if he was trying to ping www.google.com then he wouldnt be able to if it's the nameserver
[01:01] <Pogopuschel-> kemik: Yea, but i thought he didn't know what his nameserver is :)
[01:01] <tomaj> ok so you have to do it through bios
[01:01] <tomaj> ?
[01:02] <Pogopuschel-> yes
[01:02] <tomaj> k thanx :) and i assume you have to change the ubuntu settings to autologin for that as well
[01:02] <tomaj> pog what if my bios doesnt have any such options is there another way to start the computer from a timer?
[01:03] <stizoner> theres some sorta bug after i upgraded to the smp kernel for my p4 i can login as admin in control center in kubuntu
[01:03] <Pogopuschel-> don't know, But you can start your pc from remote via wake on lan
[01:03] <stizoner> cant*
[01:03] <Pogopuschel-> so if you have another pc, you can set a time, to power on via wake on lan
[01:03] <Pogopuschel-> +r
[01:03] <pirast> you coult try app -> run -> gksudo kcontrol
[01:03] <tomaj> hmm i do but its winxp
[01:03] <HappyFool> or just leave the computer on and setup a cron job
[01:04] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: No problem for win xp :)
[01:04] <tomaj> how do you use winxp to wake another pc up?
[01:04] <tomaj> happyfool computer makes noise and i want to be asleep before it starts up
[01:04] <Pogopuschel-> there are some wake on lan clients out there, just google for "wol.exe"
[01:04] <tomaj> thanx pop
[01:04] <tomaj> pirast was that directed at me?
[01:04] <Pogopuschel-> however, you have to set up wake on lan on your ubuntu machine
[01:05] <tomaj> yeah thats in the bios isnt it?
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> I spend 6 hours to get it working on my debian pc
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> :/
[01:05] <pirast> No, it was to stizoner
[01:05] <tomaj> pirast: k
[01:05] <tomaj> shit
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: I thought so too..
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> maybe it works for you
[01:05] <tomaj> so you have to change linux settings too?
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> without any configuration
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> depends on what you are using
[01:05] <tomaj> what did you have to do?
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> apm, acpi
[01:06] <tomaj> acpi is standard for ubuntu isnt it?
[01:06] <Pogopuschel-> I hav to disable acpi in the bios, enable APM and boot the kernel with "apm=on, apm=poweroff"
[01:06] <pirast> I think so, yes
[01:06] <stizoner> this is getting frustrating, there is no way to login as root and make changes except via consol, so you have to know the commands for everything!
[01:06] <Pogopuschel-> depends on your nic
[01:07] <tomaj> thats weird, i would have thought acpi would have supported it better
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> just try to install ethtool
[01:07] <jimcooncat> Using hoary, I played with kubuntu for a while then removed it. How can I get my gnome menus back in order?
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> "apt-get ethtool"
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> "apt-get install ethtool"
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> and do "ethtool eth0"
[01:07] <tomaj> stizoner there is a way to allow yourself to log in as root
[01:07] <tomaj> google it
[01:07] <tomaj> it has to do with x afaik
[01:07] <Simian> sorry if this is a dumb question but I have just edited my repos source list to breezy and then did dist-upgrade. But when I goto start>system>About Ubuntu it still says 5.04
[01:07] <Simian> have i done something wrong?
[01:07] <topyli> stizoner: you should be able to do stuff via the gui tools. otherwise, you can launch any gui app from the terminal using sudo
[01:08] <Pogopuschel-> you can enable wake on lan settings with "ethtool -s eth0 wol g"
[01:08] <stizoner> yes i read the instructions, if i log out i cant log back in as root, and it only gives me root via consol
[01:08] <Pogopuschel-> but ethtool didn't support my NIC
[01:08] <Pogopuschel-> maybe it works for you
[01:08] <HappyFool> Simian: maybe they didn't update that bit ;). what does 'uname -r' say? i think breezy users a newer kernel (2.6.16 ?)
[01:08] <topyli> stizoner: surely you can use sudo in an X terminal
[01:08] <tomaj> stizoner, the instructions should allow you to log in as root, that's the point of the instructions
[01:08] <hmrocha> Simian, i guess they have not updated that doc yet
[01:08] <HappyFool> err.
[01:08] <HappyFool> 2.6.12, that is
[01:08] <Simian> oh ok
[01:09] <stizoner> they dont, i cant select logout from kmenu and login as root
[01:09] <Simian> yes it 2.6.12
[01:09] <hmrocha> Simian, do a "cat /etc/issue"
[01:09] <stizoner> i cant boot my pc and login as root
[01:09] <tomaj> ill try it pog thanx
[01:09] <hmrocha> Simian, it should say "breezy badger"
[01:09] <tomaj> well stizoner you were reading different instructions from the ones im referring to then
[01:09] <topyli> stizoner: you mean login as root into X? it's not very smart
[01:09] <Simian> http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle
[01:10] <stizoner> i dont care if its smart or not, no way im learning all these commands
[01:10] <Simian> i guess it worked then
[01:10] <Simian> thanks guys
[01:10] <thoreauputic> stizoner: running KDE or gnome or any X environment as root is deprecated
[01:10] <stizoner> just 2 download a file to a folder i want, or delete something or this or that...
[01:10] <hmrocha> Simian, was it a smooth upgrade?
[01:10] <topyli> stizoner: very well then
[01:10] <jp> can i update hoary to breeze using apt?
[01:10] <tomaj> stizoner, what exactly is it you are trying to do?
[01:10] <hmrocha> Simian, after the upgrade everything worked?
[01:10] <Simian> yes very smooth
[01:10] <topyli> stizoner: so now you're going to surf the web as root too?
[01:10] <hmrocha> Simian, ok, thanks
[01:10] <stizoner> like the 20th thing ive had 2 ask that required root password
[01:10] <HappyFool> jp: it sounds like simian just did, so i guess the answer is yes. note that breezy is still unstable
[01:11] <stizoner> right now just trying 2 load an xchat script
[01:11] <stizoner> cant even save it to the folder
[01:11] <topyli> Simian: lyx didn
[01:11] <topyli> 't
[01:11] <tomaj> stizoner, try saving it to your home folder instead and run it from there
[01:11] <stizoner> i dont have permission, my OS knows better then me
[01:11] <topyli> Simian: so the system is utterly broken ;-)
[01:11] <stizoner> run what? it has 2 go into the xchat plugin folder
[01:12] <tomaj> oh of course
[01:12] <HappyFool> can't you put it in ~/.xchat somewhere?
[01:12] <crashd> save it to your home folder, then 'sudo cp source destination'
[01:12] <crashd> or
[01:12] <crashd> as HappyFool says, put it in your local xchat
[01:12] <stizoner> no im not gonna sudo this that anymore
[01:12] <stizoner> lol
[01:12] <HappyFool> ~/.xchat2
[01:12] <Simian> topyli what do you mean?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> stizoner: maybe *nix isn't for you....
[01:12] <tomaj> stizoner, basically you dont have permissions so you dont destroy your system because its not idiotproof like windows and ubuntu is designed for everyone
[01:13] <topyli> Simian: just joking. lyx was broken, so the system has utterly failed me :)
[01:13] <tomaj> people that know what they are doing dont have problems and people that dont usually learn quickly
[01:13] <stizoner> its the only linux distro out of like 30+ ive tried that cant login as root
[01:13] <Simian> oh ok lol
[01:13] <stizoner> im not an idiot and ill make the descions
[01:13] <tomaj> its because ubuntu is designed for everyone
[01:13] <stizoner> its my pc
[01:13] <topyli> stizoner: since you're not an idiot, you can surely find out how to enable root logins
[01:13] <pirast> I just installed beagle on Breezy. How can I open it?
[01:13] <Pogopuschel-> "sudo passwd asdf"
[01:14] <jimcooncat> or just "sudo sh" for a root shell?
[01:14] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: i typed that command in root terminal and i didnt get any errors, does that mean it works?
[01:14] <topyli> pirast: run the daemon, do searches with best
[01:14] <thoreauputic> stizoner: or since you're not an idiot you won't log in to X as root... whatever
[01:14] <sJaM> sudo -i
[01:14] <pirast> k. thx
[01:14] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: what command?
[01:14] <tomaj> ethtool -s eth0 wol g
[01:14] <stizoner> so i can logout a few secs later after im done the changes
[01:14] <stizoner> no different then any other distro or windows
[01:15] <Pogopuschel-> yea, try "ethtool eth0"
[01:15] <Pogopuschel-> what does it say?
[01:15] <linux_ubuntu> can anyone help regarding firefox browser?
[01:15] <tomaj> stizoner google it, its easy as changing one option in a config file
[01:15] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: ask a specific question
[01:15] <topyli> stizoner: no distro setup by me allows root logins, much less graphical ones
[01:15] <Fanskapet> linux_ubuntu look at the topic, " Have a question? Just ask! "
[01:15] <stizoner> i did google it and all i got was 100's of people complaining that they couldnt login as root
[01:15] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: nothing i got no outup, that usually means it works right?
[01:15] <stizoner> eh smal world
[01:15] <topyli> stizoner: that's true of mandrake and debian at least
[01:15] <tomaj> stizoner dont google for ubuntu
[01:15] <tomaj> google for xorg
[01:16] <Pogopuschel-> no, "ethtool eth0" should show you wol capabilities
[01:16] <linux_ubuntu> my browser not working, dialup is ok
[01:16] <Fanskapet> stizoner why would you want to login as root?
[01:16] <ompaulAFK> !tell stizoner about sudo
[01:16] <Pogopuschel-> and "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" sould enable wol
[01:16] <stizoner> so i can make changes without using commands that i dont know
[01:16] <Fanskapet> stizoner just use "sudo -s"
[01:16] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: how is it not working? Can you describe the problem more
[01:16] <Fanskapet> in bash
[01:16] <sJaM> no Fanskapet `sudo -i` is better
[01:16] <Fanskapet> ah well sudo -s suits me well atleast.
[01:16] <Adross> anyone know anything about the whole 'linux being trademarked' issue?
[01:17] <stizoner> no, im sick of sudo this and so that, if just want to save a file to a folder then i shouldnt have to pull up konsol and type crap in
[01:17] <sJaM> sudo -s is only a permanet sudo, and sudo -i gives an acutal root shell
[01:17] <Adross> cos this makes me madder then when those velocor raptors kidnapped santa
[01:17] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: want a paste of the output?
[01:17] <pirast> yes, i know something
[01:17] <pirast> wait a second
[01:17] <linux_ubuntu> dialup connects fine but browser is not recognizing the connection. so no browsing
[01:17] <ompaulAFK> stizoner, then maybe ubuntu is not for you
[01:17] <sJaM> Applications -> System -> Root Terminal
[01:17] <tomaj> stizoner just one sec ill find the info for you
[01:17] <Fanskapet> stizoner there is a root terminal you know
[01:17] <Fanskapet> :)
[01:17] <sJaM> Applications -> System Tools -> Root Terminal
[01:17] <Adross> stizoner: you can make a launcher to run the file manager(nautilus) as root
[01:18] <tomaj> stizoner: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/01/msg00848.html
[01:18] <stizoner> im in kubuntu
[01:18] <Fanskapet> yeah. ubuntu is really built to be secure and easy
[01:18] <tomaj> took me less then 2 seconds
[01:18] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: try closing the browser and reopening it?
[01:18] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: it should have worked if there was no error by "ethtool -s eth0 wol g"
[01:18] <pirast> Adross: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050816092029989
[01:18] <topyli> but he wants to use system commands he doesn't know anything about, so a terminal won't do :)
[01:18] <Fanskapet> if you want to be root all the time you should probably be using gentoo or something.
[01:18] <stizoner> thank you tomaj
[01:18] <tomaj> stizoni that's gnome
[01:18] <tomaj> let me find kde
[01:18] <ompaulAFK> stizoner, ask that one in #kubuntu
[01:18] <Pogopuschel-> but "ethtool eth0" should give you something about wol then
[01:18] <stizoner> like a desert in there
[01:18] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: how have you tested your dialup (i.e., how do you know it's working?)
[01:18] <Adross> stizoner: whats the problem?
[01:19] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: ok ill test it later, thanx for your help buddy
[01:19] <linux_ubuntu> i did the dmesg command following pon
[01:19] <Pogopuschel-> np :)
[01:19] <linux_ubuntu> ip's assigned correctly
[01:19] <topyli> heh
[01:20] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: ok; is DNS resolution working? (e.g., what does 'dig www.google.com' return?)
[01:20] <Adross> pirast: thanks, it makes sense now
[01:20] <tomaj> stizoner: http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t351833.html
[01:20] <Adross> i shall rebuild my Torvalds shrine
[01:20] <tomaj> stizoner: that's an explination for kde
[01:20] <linux_ubuntu> should i chech dynamic DNS?or ?
[01:21] <stizoner> haha, thanks dude but theres one problem
[01:21] <Adross> stizoner: you sure you want to run as root?
[01:21] <Adross> i mean seriously, we can talk about this
[01:21] <Adross> it doesn't have to go down this way
[01:21] <cyphase> Ubuntu: 1. "Humanity to others." 2. "I am who I am because of who we all are." 3. "The future of Linux."
[01:21] <cyphase> :)
[01:21] <stizoner> i cant get that 2 work, ive tried that, every since i upgraded to smp kernel i cant do that, login there doesnt work
[01:21] <tomaj> ok hold i found another
[01:21] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: i'm not following 'dynamics dns' -- i would guess standard dns should be able to resolve www.google.com
[01:22] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: just run  'dig www.google.com' in a terminal
[01:22] <tomaj> stizoner: (If you prefer to allow root logins to KDE, you can edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc as root and set AllowRootLogin= to "true".
[01:22] <Adross> stizoner: maybe its a sign?
[01:22] <tomaj> stizoner: i assume you are profficient enough to do that by yourself yes?
[01:23] <linux_ubuntu> thanks happyfool
[01:23] <Crissy> hi, see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1468 I would like to make windows boot defualt, and remove the defualt kernal from grub list, any suggestions?
[01:23] <stizoner> im not going 2 stay logged in as root! its just when i want 2 make a change, just like in every other distro and windows
[01:23] <stizoner> yes thank you tomaj
[01:23] <stizoner> :D
[01:23] <linux_ubuntu> anyway what DNS settings should be during dial up connection creation
[01:23] <tomaj> stizoner: no problem, thank you for using #ubuntu :P j/k
[01:23] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: the namservers are entered into /etc/resolv.conf
[01:23] <tomaj> crissy ill help you just one sec
[01:24] <Crissy> okay
[01:24] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: that should be done by your dialup script (mine worked automatically)
[01:24] <pirast> Crissy: For setting windows boot default edit the file  and set default from 0 to 10
[01:24] <ompaulAFK> !seen thoreauputic
[01:24] <ubotu> thoreauputic is currently on #kubuntu (1h 31m 39s) #ubuntu (1h 31m 39s)
[01:24] <ompaulAFK> !ping thoreauputic
[01:24] <ubotu> No idea, ompaulAFK
[01:24] <ompaulAFK> ohh :)
[01:24] <thoreauputic> ompaulAFK: I'm not here ;)
[01:25] <ompaulAFK> thoreauputic, okay :)
[01:25] <HappyFool> who said that?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> heheh
[01:25] <ompaul> doh
[01:25] <tomaj> crissy do what pirast said then test it out
[01:25] <tomaj> im off
[01:25] <tomaj> night everyoen
[01:25] <cyphase> 'night
[01:25] <Crissy> thanks will do
[01:27] <reiki> looking for someone good with Spamassassin to help me figure out why .... even though it's DETECTING the spam... it's not tagging the header or rewriting teh subject line. (I'm using Evolution with spamassassin as a filter)
[01:27] <x[x] > HappyFool
[01:27] <HappyFool> hello?
[01:27] <x[x] > lol
[01:28] <pirast> I have breezy, gnome panel ofter crashes since I upgraded some packages. Does anybody have the same problem?
[01:28] <x[x] > what were u saying about error 18?
[01:28] <pirast> I also reported it in the gnome bugtracker i hope..
[01:28] <HappyFool> oh right. that's from the grub docs
[01:28] <HappyFool> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[01:28] <ompaul> thoreauputic, or to put it another way http://www.lyricsdomain.com/2/ben_harper/excuse_me_mister.html :-) that could be the other definition
[01:28] <ompaul> ahh no /msg
[01:28] <x[x] > well
[01:29] <x[x] > i just switched hard drives cuz i think i installed her on a faulty HD ( was faulty for ages )
[01:29] <stizoner> yay!! i was able 2 login as root
[01:29] <x[x] > so ima try her one more time
[01:30] <topyli> stizoner: congratulations, you are now the uber admin
[01:30] <stizoner> in a week i may be confident enough 2 delete and format my ntfs to ext3
[01:30] <stizoner> :P
[01:31] <HappyFool> x[x] : ok. i haven't had this error, and my /boot is somewhere after 80GB on my drive
[01:31] <topyli> stizoner: you are still doing it a bit strangely, but whatever. not many want to make that mistake :)
[01:31] <HappyFool> x[x] : i would guess this is only a problem for older motherboards, but i'm not sure
[01:32] <x[x] > well
[01:32] <x[x] > i donno man i installed ubuntu before on that pc with no problems
[01:32] <topyli> stizoner: so, now when you're configuring your box, you'll be also surfing for information as root, downloading files as root and ircing as root too?
[01:33] <HappyFool> x[x] : hmm, odd. do you have windows or another OS on that machine?
[01:33] <stizoner> its not strange i dont think, its how every other distro and windows does it, you want to make a change you login quick as root and logout, yes i understand the huge mistake it is with windows and how everyone is just logged in as admin/root, but if somebody is smart enough 2 just install ubuntu i think there smart enough 2 know the importance of not staying loged in as root, plus for the simplest of things i need 2 know commands us
[01:33] <stizoner> ing that sudo wich was driving me nuts
[01:33] <reiki> I have a suspicion that since evolution is reportedly using spamassassin now.... could it be stripping the tags from the headers as it processes its junk filter? hmmmmmm
[01:33] <x[x] > happyfool i DID
[01:33] <stizoner> sorry 4 the small book
[01:33] <x[x] > i took it off
[01:34] <x[x] > ( when i took out the HD )
[01:34] <HappyFool> x[x] : hmm. if you let ubuntu have the whole drive, it should Just Work
[01:34] <ompaul> stizoner, what were those commands you feel you need to use as root?
[01:34] <x[x] > yeah i did this time
[01:34] <x[x] > so hopefully it will work now
[01:35] <Ds136> Hey everyone, I got a question, I just installed a wireless USB device, but whenever i reboot with it still connected the boot freezes up. any one have any ideas? I also have a wireless network card installed also, I was thinking maybe there is some conflict between the two, but I'm not really sure.
[01:35] <topyli> stizoner: sounds awfully complicated, logging out and in and out again
[01:35] <reiki> x[x] : I installed a 160GB drive, gave Ubuntu the whole thing... and it installed fine. :)
[01:36] <spola> sup x[x]
[01:37] <thoreauputic> stizoner: funny, i can't identify with your problem - I just learnt about linux and now I can do stuff in seconds without all the rigmarole you are going through... but each to his own I guess
[01:37] <reiki> and I'm sorry, but #spamassassin is dead dead dead even with all those names in it... no response for 2 days. ... sheeesh... :)
[01:37] <gabriel> hi every one
[01:37] <Spear> hi there !
[01:37] <stizoner> thoreauputic, you magically just knew all commands? you were born that way?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> stizoner: did you read what I said?
[01:38] <reiki> I still type /sudo blah blah sometimes... I don't know where that's comin from :)
[01:38] <gabriel> how should hibernation work? when i press hibernation it doesn't work like xp on my laptop. the sistem goes to the logon screen and prompts for password. i enter it and comes back to desktop. very strange!
[01:39] <topyli> stizoner: i guess he learned them. or we told them on this here irc channel
[01:40] <stizoner> being able 2 save a file or delete it without knowing a command is not expecting 2 much
[01:40] <topyli> reiki: i a while you'll be ircing like "sh /whois topyli" :)
[01:40] <myo> i dont hear sound , when i open xmms and another players. but i hear the login sound
[01:40] <myo> how to config ?
[01:40] <reiki> topyli: I think I've done that too... heheh
[01:41] <noodle> is there any way i can speed up gnome'''''s remote deskkkkkktop?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> topyli: you know you're in trouble when you try to tab complete the TV remote ;)
[01:41] <gabriel> nobady uses hibernation?
[01:41] <topyli> hah
[01:42] <ompaul> thoreauputic, you what, take a break :)
[01:42] <topyli> thoreauputic: what is a "tv remote"? is it a vnc-type shell? :)
[01:42] <no_gatez_fan> trying to install with ultra ata-133 raid controler in the box....it gets to "deteting hardware to find dr rom or rives" screen, it goes up to 82% and stopps, any suggestions?
[01:42] <HappyFool> myo: in xmms, right click on the window somewhere, choose options -> preferences, and change the 'Output plugin' to eSound
[01:42] <no_gatez_fan> cd rom
[01:43] <thoreauputic> topyli: it has this *really* limited keyboard....
[01:44] <spola> myo, did you add support for mp3s? do .ogg files work? if not go to the ubuntuguide
[01:44] <reiki> y'know... working on this spamassassin filter for Evolution.... you'd think there'd be more GOOD information out there. Finding the filter was easy. Finding support for SpamAssassin is the hard part. I think it's important for Ubuntu (linux in general) to have a SIMPLE spam catcher. There are tons of them for Windoze machines. Simple as in... easy to install and configure for a desktop user.
[01:44] <topyli> thoreauputic: oh no! sounds like an MS appliance! even my phone has a full keyboard and a 80x25 screen :)
[01:44] <TraceGreen> Hello, when i tried to compile c program in Debian linux, i get this error : undefined reference to `errno', can anybody help me
[01:44] <Seveas> TraceGreen, your C program is buggy
[01:44] <tomaj> quick questions, does cron use the time showed in gnome or the bios time? how would you go about using cron to end azuerus and then shut down?
[01:45] <HappyFool> TraceGreen: try '#include <errno.h>'  -- and maybe ask on #c ;)
[01:45] <Seveas> did you write it yourself?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> topyli: yeah, I can't even get tah interweb to work on it!  It's a bit slow (almost 7 seconds per email to process)
[01:46] <topyli> thoreauputic: i think we have one somewhere here. i seem to recall it was good for some limited uses like watching video streams
[01:46] <tomaj> quick questions, does cron use the time showed in gnome or the bios time? how would you go about using cron to end azuerus and then shut down?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:47] <tomaj> sigh, im going to have to trial and error arent i
[01:47] <penguin_roar> amichai: i have problems with nautilus freezing up regularly but i run a tainted kernel with nvidia
[01:47] <tomaj> night ppl
[01:47] <amichai> how can i find out why my ubuntu freezes? i get this weird gray patterns and it freezes or it freezes while watching a mv
[01:47] <amichai> movie
[01:47] <ompaul> TraceGreen, if you find that  'grep -rs ?extern int errno? *' gives an answer from the stuff you put on your machine or in the source it needs conventions to be updated
[01:47] <topyli> reiki: yes it is. i don't know if you can set it up to use spamc so you can run spamd continuously. that would speed it up
[01:47] <no_gatez_fan> i guess i will let it chew on the cd for a while
[01:48] <x[x] > Hamlesh
[01:48] <penguin_roar> amichai: its probably your graphics driver that freeze, what card and driver are you using
[01:48] <x[x] > err
[01:48] <x[x] > HappyFool it looks like everything is sorted
[01:48] <topyli> reiki: i just filter the mail before i load it into evolution
[01:48] <x[x] > its gotten past that error
[01:48] <HappyFool> x[x] : good stuff
[01:48] <x[x] > lots o stuff is loading
[01:48] <spola> ugh
[01:48] <x[x] > hah spola?
[01:48] <x[x] > what u doin here?
[01:48] <amichai> penguin_roar, ati and fglrx
[01:48] <spola> this is my second home dude! :p
[01:48] <spola> nah i needed some help with this stupid error but noone knew :/
[01:48] <x[x] > freenode or this chan?
[01:49] <reiki> topyli: actually I've found that using spamc with spamd really didn't speed it up at all. I've tried both ways. And once you call spamassassin it starts spamd (5 child processes) so you can use spamc and try it both ways
[01:49] <penguin_roar> amichai: is that the free driver or is it from ATI?
[01:49] <spola> just here
[01:49] <dbernar1> all hail the mighty Ubuntu!
[01:49] <dbernar1> ;)
[01:49] <topyli> reiki: i blame evolution. just filter the mail at delivery time (fetchmail, procmail)
[01:50] <reiki> topyli: how are you filtering? using fetchmail/procmail setup?  I'm really trying to get this down to a VERY simple process for non-technical people.
[01:50] <topyli> heh ^
[01:50] <reiki> ok... answered while asking
[01:50] <spola> so you decided to give ubuntu another go huh? that's my fourth convert!
[01:50] <Crissy> Hi, see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1469 I need help editing the grub menu by removing the generic kernals in the list how/what do I do?
[01:50] <reiki> topyli: how well does a fetchmail/procmail solution work on a single user desktop machine that isn't running 24.7 ?
[01:50] <TraceGreen> ompaulAFK, thx, i think i fix it.
[01:51] <TraceGreen> i must add erron.h
[01:51] <Fanskapet> agh stupied mySQL still fighting to compile it on ubuntu :)
[01:51] <topyli> reiki: it works perfectly :)
[01:51] <amichai> penguin_roar, umm. the linux prop. from ati.com
[01:51] <Fanskapet> or well get it to work afterwards :)
[01:51] <topyli> reiki: although i have two clients here
[01:52] <topyli> reiki: fetchmail simply gets the mail in the morning once you boot
[01:52] <Crissy> Thanks for the prior help making grub boot windoz by defualt :/
[01:52] <HappyFool> Crissy: well, one way might be to uninstall the related linux-image packages
[01:53] <HappyFool> Crissy: i also see a 'howmany=all' parameter (line 103) which you could play with
[01:53] <reiki> topyli: and is fetchmail set to ... uh... well... fetch mail every 10 minutes or so?  And what happens if a user is online, already, someone sends them an email, and they want to check if it's in... right now?
[01:53] <pablo_> eyyy
[01:53] <pablo_> i need help
[01:53] <penguin_roar> amichai: try the free driver and see if you get rid of the freezes, then file a bug to ati
[01:53] <HappyFool> Crissy: maybe you could see what 'howmany=1' does. Why is it important to prune the grub menu anyway?
[01:53] <Crissy> Okay, if I don't need them can I do Apps - Add remove ?
[01:54] <amichai> penguin_roar, u mean the one from apt?
[01:54] <topyli> reiki: a mortal user can't do it. the superuser can run /etc/init.d/fetchmail awaken
[01:54] <Crissy> I'm actually setting up this system for a real non user, and don't want grub to be confusing.
[01:54] <HappyFool> Crissy: i'd use synaptic for this (under 'Advanced' in Applications->System Tools->Add remove programs, or System->Admin->Synaptic)
[01:54] <topyli> reiki: (actually i'm not sure if there's a client program for fetchmail to do the same)
[01:55] <penguin_roar> amichai: i think its included in xfree so you shouldnt have to d/l anything
[01:55] <HappyFool> Crissy: look for the 'linux-image' packages, and remove the appropriate ones
[01:55] <Crissy> Happy, will check
[01:55] <HappyFool> Crissy: i don't have an amd64, so i'm not sure what the precise package names will be
[01:55] <reiki> topyli: that's a nice solution for you and me, but .... I'm aiming for *simple*.   So far spamassassin is working... if a little slowly... I just need to see why it's ignoring whitelist_from directives and NOT rewriting teh subject line as instructed
[01:55] <amichai> penguin_roar, i have xorg
[01:56] <reiki> topyli: couldn't you just create a launcher that runs that same fetchmail awaken thing as sudo?
[01:56] <topyli> probably
[01:57] <topyli> reiki: in /etc/sudoers, you could give perhaps the "users" group permission to run the command without password
[01:57] <reiki> topyli:  sorry for so many questions, but do you have a feel for how long it's taking to process each incoming email using fetchmail/procmail with spamassassin?
[01:58] <mogg_> hi, I am using ubuntu on an older pc, and whenI scroll in a listbox, the refreshing of it look really ugly
[01:59] <mogg_> on kde / windows its smooth, any idea how I can fix this ?
[01:59] <Crissy> Happy, under "base system restricted" I see "linux amd64 generic <IP_ADDRESS>" also "restricted modules" with same version
[01:59] <barongas> I have an usb mp3-player I'm about to connect, as far as I I've understood it it's just plug and go in ubuntu? Something I should be doing?
[01:59] <Crissy> Also listed are the ones for the K8 which I want to keep
[02:00] <topyli> reiki: dunno, but in the morning when you have lots of mail it does take some time
[02:00] <tomaj> i give up, someone please help me with cron
[02:00] <topyli> reiki: spamd/spamc works better i think this way than through evolution (which starts a zillion processes)
[02:00] <rephorm> tomaj: sure, what's the problem?
[02:01] <Crissy> tomaj, i'll help you :/  (i wish)  just kidding
[02:01] <tomaj> rephorm: i cant seem to get azuerus running
[02:01] <tomaj> crissy, one day ;)
[02:01] <Crissy> :)
[02:01] <reiki> topyli: maybe not much faster than what I'm seeing by running it right from Evo... hmmm.... I'll keep slogging away at this. I think it's important :) ... and right now I'm using a spamc filter in Evo rther than calling spamassassin. It works but only at a very marginal improvement in speed
[02:01] <rephorm> tomaj: azureus uses cron?
[02:02] <tomaj> i dont know, i asked how to start a program based on timer and people said to use cron
[02:02] <ApellA> hi everyone
[02:02] <topyli> reiki: yeah well, it's hard to observe the daemon's speed by eyeball, and it doesn't interfere with my daily chores, so...
[02:02] <tomaj> rephorm: can you not start azureus using cron?
[02:02] <reiki> topyli:  so... so it works! :)  that's what really matters.
[02:02] <jimcooncat> what's the easiest way to set up spamassassin for my office? Amavisd looks too complicated. Can't I just pipe incoming email?
[02:03] <topyli> reiki: and if it works poorly, i don't notice =)
[02:03] <reiki> hehehe... ok
[02:03] <tomaj> i put <minute from now> <this hour> * * * /usr/bin/azuerus but nothing starts
[02:03] <rephorm> tomaj: sure, you want it to run at a certain time each night?
[02:03] <tomaj> rephorm: exactly
[02:03] <tomaj> rephorm: but when i test it it doesnt start
[02:04] <rephorm> tomaj: 2 things: make sure you /etc/init.d/cron reload after editing the crontab
[02:04] <tomaj> rephorm: ok one sec let me try that
[02:05] <tomaj> rephorm: whats the second thing?
[02:05] <rephorm> tomaj: and, put your user name in the user column (just before the command), and you probably need to do somethign like "DISPLAY=0 /usr/sbin/azureus"
[02:05] <bimberi> tomaj: is that a true copy of the crontab line - because azureus is mis-spelled
[02:05] <ApellA> can anyone answer this? if i try to install the nvidia drivers (downloaded from their site) it gives me the following line: Verifying archive integrity... Error in check sums<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>
[02:05] <bimberi> ?
[02:05] <ApellA> what to do about it?
[02:05] <tomaj> bimberi: no its not
[02:06] <tomaj> rephorm: i thought that was if you put it in the "global" crontab file or sth
[02:06] <bimberi> tomaj: k :)
[02:06] <tomaj> rephorm: im using crontab -e
[02:06] <rephorm> tomaj: oh, ok. :)
[02:06] <rephorm> tomaj: then add the display var
[02:06] <tomaj> where? before the /usr... ?
[02:07] <rephorm> yeah
[02:07] <rephorm> tomaj: and you don't have to reload cron with crontab -e :)
[02:07] <Crissy> Question, will grub automatically change the defualt startup drive number if you remove extra kernals from the system, or do i need to re-edit grub ?
[02:07] <tomaj> rephorm: oh ok at least that's one less step :)
[02:08] <tomaj> crissy: manually
[02:08] <Crissy> okay
[02:08] <tomaj> rephorm: it still doesnt work
[02:08] <ApellA> can anyone answer this? if i try to install the nvidia drivers (downloaded from their site) it gives me the following line: Verifying archive integrity... Error in check sums<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>
[02:08] <tomaj> rephorm: wait let me try one thing
[02:08] <rephorm> tomaj: yeah. hmm. i've never run gui apps from cron before :)
[02:09] <Crissy> ApellA, you might try downloading it again, it could be just a bad download
[02:09] <ApellA> did that allready twice
[02:09] <ApellA> but ok, will try again, never know
[02:10] <Crissy> :)
[02:10] <mgcross> what version of autoimake should I use? I see 1.4 through 1.9 in synaptic...
[02:10] <tomaj> rephorm: nah didnt work, this is the exact line '10 22 * * * "DISPLAY=0 /usr/bin/azureus"'
[02:10] <Crissy> Also delete the one you have so it doesn't get mixed up
[02:10] <tomaj> rephorm: its 22:10 here
[02:10] <tomaj> ApellA why use their drivers?
[02:11] <pirast> Hi, does Ubuntu already used the run_parallel boot paramter? If not: How do I activate it?
[02:11] <Seveas> mgcross, depends
[02:11] <Seveas> they are all mutually incompatible
[02:12] <ApellA> tomaj: so i can play a game i wanted to play again
[02:12] <Seveas> but most programs compile with either
[02:12] <tomaj> ApellA why not use the ubuntu ones?
[02:12] <ApellA> it doesn't seem to work
[02:12] <mgcross> Seveas: just trying to compile vdrift....thought I already had automake installed but I guess not
[02:13] <tomaj> rephorm: any more ideas?
[02:13] <Seveas> mgcross, try automake --version in a terminal
[02:13] <mgcross> Seveas: I'm going to use checkinstall as well...
[02:13] <Seveas> good!
[02:14] <lfalvarez> hi. I have a dns running on mi machine. I can ping mail.mydomain.com. but I cant telnet mail.mydomain.com 25   Any ideas, I'm using postfix.
[02:14] <mgcross> Seveas: K, TY
[02:14] <kemik> Seveas:  any how-tos to make your own .deb ?
[02:14] <Seveas> lfalvarez, by default, the MTA installed on an Ubuntu machine does not listen to the outside
[02:14] <pirast> lfalvarez maybe postfix is configured for local mails only..
[02:14] <Seveas> kemik, apt-get install maint-guide
[02:14] <stizoner> god im such a tool sometimes, realize how 2 do something then slap yourself in the head
[02:14] <Seveas> /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/
[02:15] <mgcross> Seveas: nope, not installed....witch versoin is best for general use with checkinstall?
[02:15] <Seveas> try 1.8
[02:15] <tomaj> anyone have any ideas on how to start a gui program based on timer?
[02:15] <Seveas> 1.9 introduces some new 'features'
[02:15] <topyli> mgcross: install build-essential and take whatever it depends on :)
[02:15] <mgcross> Seveas: 1.8...do you mind if I ask why?
[02:15] <kemik> tomaj:  cron perhaps ?
[02:15] <kemik> or timer is an actual application ?
[02:15] <pirast> lfalvarez: You can change this setting:  dpkg-reconfigure  --priority=low postfix
[02:15] <Seveas> mgcross, it's the most recent relatively compatible version
[02:15] <mgcross> hmmm...build essential IS installed...strange...
[02:15] <tomaj> kemik, trying cron but it doesnt work
[02:16] <Seveas> 1.9 often means rewriting lots of .am files
[02:16] <rephorm> tomaj: i'm looking at it now, and sure enough its not working how its supposed to :)
[02:16] <tomaj> kemik: i cant seem to get it to work
[02:16] <tomaj> rephorm: ok what should i do?
[02:16] <fredric> Hi..  How do I play mp3's?   I get a error message that says the the plugin is missing, and XMMS just crashes when I try to use it instead of the audioplayer or Totem
[02:17] <thoreauputic>  tomaj if you want tostart something after a delay you can do  sleep 1h && <command> (delays by one hour - s for seconds, m for minutes)
[02:17] <rephorm> tomaj: just a sec. :)