[21:33] <soundray> AlexC: I understand you've tried displayconfig-gtk
[21:33] <AlexC> yes
[21:33] <soundray> AlexC: did you find a display setting there that matched your monitor?
[21:34] <AlexC> I also tried renaming xorg,.conf to xorg,conf.save and restarting X
[21:34] <AlexC> TY=The highest choices offered are 1280x1024 and 1400x800
[21:35] <AlexC> I have selected as my monitor LCD 1680x1050
[21:35] <AlexC> My video driver is for ATI Radeon
[21:35] <AlexC> It should work. But it doesnt
[21:35] <soundray> AlexC: did you change the Model setting away from "Plug and Play"?
[21:35] <AlexC> Yes.
[21:35] <AlexC> I have selected as my monitor LCD 1680x1050
[21:36] <AlexC> I restarted and rebooted several times
[21:36] <soundray> What did you do after that?
[21:36] <soundray> Did you click on Test ?
[21:36] <AlexC> then I went into preferences->Screen Resolution but the highest resolution offered remains 1280x1024
[21:36] <soundray> Please, for now, answer only my questions
[21:37] <soundray> Did you click on Test ?
[21:37] <AlexC> Yes
[21:37] <soundray> What happened?
[21:37] <AlexC> It displayed a grey hash pattern and asked if I wanted to save my settings. I said yes.
[21:38] <soundray> Okay. Are you at the poor resolution right now?
[21:38] <AlexC> I am at 1280x1024. There is a 1440x900 option also.
[21:39] <soundray> Okay. When you do 'gksudo displayconfig-gtk' now, does it still show LCD 1680x1024 under Model?
[21:39] <AlexC> I have just switched to 1440x900. I dopnt like this one either..
[21:39] <AlexC> let me try
[21:39] <soundray> AlexC: can you please, just while I'm helping you, not do anything other than what's in my train of thought?
[21:40] <AlexC> yes it still shows LCD Panel 1680x1050
[21:40] <AlexC> (sorry)
[21:40] <soundray> Okay, good.
[21:40] <soundray> Please put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on a pastebin so I can have a look at it.
[21:41] <AlexC> Sure. (refresh my memory - what is the link to pastbin?
[21:41] <soundray> !pastebin
[21:41] <ubot5`> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:42] <soundray> Oh, ubottu's here, too. Good
[21:42] <soundray> ubot5`: Hi
[21:42] <ubot5`> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-classroom!
[21:43] <AlexC> Its there
[21:43] <soundray> AlexC: you know the drill
[21:43] <soundray> I need the link
[21:43] <AlexC> Oops
[21:44] <AlexC> I am looking for the link url but not finding it.
[21:45] <soundray> You just pasted it, didn't you? In Firefox?
[21:45] <AlexC> Yes
[21:45] <soundray> So look in the location bar
[21:45] <AlexC> It shows on the left under Alex Chigos
[21:46] <AlexC> http://pastebin.com/m332691d4
[21:46] <AlexC> Sorry
[21:46] <AlexC> I am very frustrated. Not at my best
[21:47] <soundray> Where do these modelines come from? Did you put them in by hand?
[21:47] <soundray> Line 62 to 71
[21:47] <soundray> *Lines
[21:47] <AlexC> Nope. I tried that but it didnt work. This xorg.conf was automatically generated after renaming my original file.
[21:48] <soundray> It's strange that it doesn't have a mode for the resolution you want
[21:48] <soundray> Would you mind starting from scratch?
[21:48] <AlexC> By the way. that 1400x1050@60 never appears as an option in either displayconfig-gtk or Preferences->tion
[21:48] <AlexC> Sure
[21:48] <AlexC> Please tell me what to do.
[21:49] <soundray> Okay, exit displayconfig if you haven't already
[21:49] <AlexC> I have
[21:49] <soundray> AlexC: in terminal, do    mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup-pre-soundray
[21:49] <soundray> sorry
[21:49] <AlexC> OK
[21:49] <soundray> AlexC: in terminal, do   sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup-pre-soundray
[21:50] <AlexC> done
[21:50] <soundray> Now run 'gksudo displayconfig-gtk' again. Model should be "Plug & Play" again.
[21:51] <AlexC> Nw says unknown
[21:51] <AlexC> No says unknown
[21:51] <soundray> Ah
[21:51] <AlexC> (encouraging sound)
[21:51] <soundray> Okay, just click on it and select LCD panel 1680x1024 again (that's your native resolution, correct?)
[21:51] <AlexC> OK
[21:52] <AlexC> done
[21:52] <soundray> Don't bother with Test, just save and pastebin me your new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:53] <AlexC> http://pastebin.com/d585b1f14
[21:54] <soundray> Okay, that's annoying... it's back to what it was.
[21:54] <AlexC> Ah (more encouraging sound)
[21:55] <soundray> Shall we try and insert a mode for 1680x1024 manually?
[21:55] <AlexC> Lets
[21:55] <AlexC> Please guide me
[21:55] <soundray> The alternative would be for you to look into an ATI proprietary thing called Catalyst, which I know nothing about
[21:55] <AlexC> I am editing the file now
[21:55] <AlexC> Catalyst is for windows (I thiink)
[21:56] <soundray> I've heard they have it for Linux as well now
[21:56] <AlexC> I have been through this with red hat. I got it to work by editing xorg,.conf manually
[21:56] <soundray> Okay, give me a minute to find a proper modeline
[21:56] <AlexC> I tried copying the lines from my red hat machine into my ubuntu machine but it did not help
[21:59] <soundray> Do you have that version of xorg.conf still?
[22:00] <AlexC> I think so
[22:00] <AlexC> Do you want me to pastebin it?
[22:00] <soundray> Yes, if it's reasonably easy to find
[22:01] <AlexC> Would you like the entire reed hat xorg.conf or the modified ubuntu one with the correct video driver entries?
[22:01] <soundray> modified ubuntu one
[22:01] <AlexC> OK
[22:03] <AlexC> http://pastebin.com/m48a8fa0d
[22:04] <soundray> Theres a slight strangeness in that the modeline for 1680 has no hsync/vsync appendix
[22:05] <soundray> You didn't just miss that from the original -- did you?
[22:05] <AlexC> I noticed that. I suspect it has to do with the different versions of xorg between Red Hat EL ES 4 and Ubuntu 8.02
[22:06] <AlexC> Is the file truncated in the post?
[22:06] <soundray> Yes
[22:06] <AlexC> Let me post it again
[22:06] <soundray> And it's word-wrapped
[22:08] <AlexC> http://pastebin.com/m7bdb4e7d
[22:08] <AlexC> I dont know about the word wrap. I am editing in a terminal window. That is what it does.
[22:08] <AlexC> In the file it is not wrapped.
[22:09] <soundray> Now it's more truncated
[22:09] <soundray> Do a 'cat /path/filename' and highlight that to paste
[22:09] <AlexC> When I click on the link ai just sent you, it appears to be complete.
[22:10] <soundray> Okay
[22:11] <soundray> I'd like to see the log when you use this config.
[22:12] <soundray> Can you make it current, restart X and pastebin the output from
[22:12] <soundray> grep 1680 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:12] <AlexC> Should I copy it over and restart X then come back to the #ubuntu-classroom
[22:12] <soundray> Yes, please
[22:12] <AlexC> OK
[22:12] <soundray> I'll wait
[22:17] <AlexC> http://pastebin.com/m620a8c96
[22:17] <AlexC> Soundray - still there?
[22:17] <soundray> Yes
[22:18] <AlexC> just the lines containig 1680
[22:19] <soundray> It looks all good... Still no 1680 in System-Preferences-Screen Resolution?
[22:19] <AlexC> Nope - just checked
[22:20] <soundray> Do you have the model name of the LCD panel there?
[22:20] <AlexC> I think so
[22:21] <soundray> Are you going to tell me?
[22:22] <AlexC> I had to get a magnifying glass. There is no model number printed on the monitor front or back
[22:22] <AlexC> Neither on the box
[22:22] <AlexC> Let me check the invoice
[22:23] <soundray> Do you get any output when you run xrandr ?
[22:23] <AlexC> E2009FP
[22:24] <AlexC> yes
[22:24] <AlexC> I will post it
[22:24] <soundray> Please
[22:24] <AlexC> http://pastebin.com/m6cc8cbf
[22:25] <soundray> What happens when you do
[22:26] <AlexC> ?
[22:26] <soundray> xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto
[22:26] <AlexC> Not even a blink
[22:26] <AlexC> Nothing changes
[22:27] <AlexC> Can I specify the resolution in xrandr
[22:27] <soundray> yes
[22:27] <soundray> I have to read up how
[22:28] <AlexC> I tried $xrandr -s 1680x1050
[22:28] <AlexC> got Size 1680x1050 not found in available modes
[22:29] <soundray> Yeah
[22:29] <soundray> It's listed as the maximum, but it's not listed as a possible mode
[22:29] <soundray> Could you send me your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[22:29] <AlexC> It is interesting that it says Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1680 x 1050 but then does not list 1680x1050 in mode list
[22:30] <soundray> You can use https://fileexchange.imperial.ac.uk if it's too big for pastebin
[22:30] <soundray> Yes, indeed
[22:30] <soundray> That's why I think another look at the log is in order
[22:31] <AlexC> Your email address is requuested
[22:31] <soundray> soundray at imperial ac uk
[22:32] <AlexC> is that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:32] <soundray> AlexC: no
[22:32] <soundray> You're not meant to repeat it here
[22:32] <soundray> Why do you think I obfuscated it?
[22:32] <AlexC> Sorry, it is asking me to put something there.
[22:32] <soundray> Look at the https address, that should give you a clue
[22:33] <AlexC> gotit
[22:33] <soundray> This channel is publicly logged. You've just tripled my spam volume
[22:36] <AlexC> https://fileexchange.imperial.ac.uk/int/3a6b1da3d43/Xorg.0.log
[22:36] <AlexC> I am so very sorry
[22:38] <soundray> It's very weird. All it ever says is that 1680x1050 is supported, so it should be fine -- but it obviously isn't
[22:39] <soundray> If it was my computer, I'd try the proprietary ATI driver next.
[22:39] <soundray> Do you want instructions for that?
[22:39] <AlexC> Please
[22:40] <soundray> System-Administration-Hardware Drivers -- enable the ATI driver and follow the instructions. You will probably have to log out and back in -- I'll hang around.
[22:40] <soundray> Might even ask you to reboot
[22:42] <AlexC> When I do System->Admin->Hardware Drivers I get a window that is somewhat empty and says  No proprietry drivers are in use on this system.
[22:42] <soundray> Dang
[22:42] <AlexC> My sentiments exactly
[22:43] <soundray> Maybe envyng would force it
[22:43] <soundray> but I have no experience with it
[22:43] <soundray> Should be straightforward, though
[22:43] <AlexC> envying?
[22:43] <soundray> envyng
[22:43] <soundray> !info envyng
[22:43] <AlexC> apt-get install envyng?
[22:44] <soundray> Think so -- hold on...
[22:44] <soundray> !info envyng-gtk
[22:44] <soundray> Bot is dead.
[22:44] <soundray> apt-get install envyng-gtk should do it
[22:44] <AlexC> it is now installed.
[22:45] <AlexC> cool
[22:45] <soundray> Is it running?
[22:46] <AlexC> running it now
[22:46] <AlexC> It is downloading something
[22:46] <soundray> Yes, that's what it's for
[22:46] <AlexC> building . . .
[22:46] <soundray> The latest ATI Linux driver
[22:47] <AlexC> complete restarting - be right back
[22:54] <AlexC> soundray are you there
[22:54] <soundray> Yes
[22:55] <AlexC> I rebooted. It came up at 640x480. I run displayconfig-gtk and selected 1280x1024
[22:56] <soundray> Depressing
[22:56] <AlexC> I then tried to run catalyst and it said there was a problem initializing the catalyst driver
[22:56] <AlexC> No ATI graphics driver is installed or the ATI driver is not functioning properly
[22:57] <soundray> I've been thinking that there might be a hardware initialization issue
[22:57] <soundray> Oh envyng hasn't done its job properly either, then
[22:57] <AlexC> Please install the ATI driver appropriate for your harware or configure it with aticonfig
[22:57] <AlexC> aticonfig gives me 8 pages of usage notes
[22:57] <soundray> Yeah, that one's horrible
[22:57] <AlexC> I tried aticonfig --initial and got seg fault
[22:58] <soundray> Here's another thing to try
[22:58] <soundray> Assuming that it's initialization trouble
[22:59] <AlexC> should I re,pve envyng?
[22:59] <soundray> Do you know how to set a boot option?
[22:59] <AlexC> can you be more specific?
[22:59] <soundray> AlexC: I don't think it's done anything, so you might keep it around for when a driver becomes available
[22:59] <AlexC> I can press esc at grub to go into the menu.
[23:00] <soundray> AlexC: yes, that's what I'd like you to try
[23:00] <AlexC> Then I think I press E to edit the kernel line
[23:00] <soundray> then hit E on the default boot entry to edit,
[23:00] <AlexC> What should I append
[23:00] <soundray> then E again on the kernel line
[23:00] <soundray> hold on...
[23:01] <AlexC> Do you think envyng will interfere?
[23:01] <soundray> No
[23:01] <AlexC> OK
[23:02] <soundray> vga=866
[23:02] <AlexC> OK
[23:02] <AlexC> I will be right back
[23:02] <soundray> It's a bit of a shot in the dark
[23:10] <AlexC> Hi Soundray
[23:11] <AlexC> Hi Soundray
[23:13] <AlexC> Here I am
[23:13] <soundray> Here we all are
[23:13] <DarkGu1> Soundray, alexc
[23:13] <DarkGu1> Hello
[23:13] <soundray> It's strange that
[23:13] <soundray> Wherever you go there you are
[23:13] <DarkGu1> The page you gave me is 404
[23:13] <AlexC> Hi DarkGu1
[23:13] <soundray> Buckaroo Banzai was right
[23:13] <DarkGu1> hey
[23:13] <DarkGu1> ???
[23:13] <soundray> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[23:13] <soundray> Works here
[23:14] <AlexC> Soundray - it didnt like that video mode. It gave me the option to scan which I tried. I then chose the highest option it offered me
[23:14] <soundray> AlexC: this was about initialisation of the monitor
[23:14] <AlexC> That scrambled my screen
[23:14] <AlexC> I was able to go to Alt-F1 and copy my xorg.conf back and reboot
[23:14] <AlexC> I am back to 1280x1024
[23:15] <DarkGu1> AlexC: what's your monitors maker
[23:15] <AlexC> Dell
[23:15] <soundray> AlexC: I was hoping that being initialised with vga=866 would make it more cooperative
[23:15] <AlexC> I suspect it may be a samsung oem
[23:15] <DarkGu1> soundray: I'm going to reboot. Wait here
[23:15] <soundray> Oh, I've got an order
[23:15] <AlexC> Yes but it rejected that mode and offered me other choices
[23:15] <soundray> AlexC: I see
[23:16] <AlexC> scan listed my choices
[23:16] <AlexC> I had to pick something so I chose the highest number
[23:16] <soundray> What was that?
[23:16] <AlexC> Perhaps not the best choice
[23:16] <AlexC> I dont know
[23:16] <soundray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
[23:16] <AlexC> My short term memory isn't what it used to be
[23:17] <soundray> How old are you?
[23:17] <AlexC> none of those was listed as a choice
[23:17] <AlexC> (from your link)
[23:17] <soundray> No, they are graphical modes
[23:17] <soundray> scan only lists text modes
[23:17] <AlexC> only text modes ie e 162 132x44
[23:19] <AlexC> It did say mode 866 not available
[23:19] <AlexC> I am 52
[23:19] <AlexC> I am a Python (pygtk) and C developer
[23:19] <AlexC> I have been programming since 1980
[23:19] <AlexC> I am usually pretty good at this kindd of thing
[23:20] <soundray> I started programming in 1980 :)
[23:20] <AlexC> I only use the irc as a last resort after exhausting my other choices including google
[23:20] <soundray> Didn't keep it up, though
[23:20] <AlexC> No I am very active
[23:20] <soundray> All I write these days are bash scriptes
[23:20] <AlexC> I am not near a pen and paper and did not write it down
[23:20] <DarkGu1> soundray
[23:20] <soundray> *scripts
[23:20] <DarkGu1> Did you say vga=866
[23:20] <AlexC> yes
[23:20] <soundray> yes
[23:21] <DarkGu1> It wouldn't let me do it
[23:21] <DarkGu1> Said unrecognized or something
[23:21] <soundray> Well, it wasn't the best choice
[23:21] <AlexC> yes - mode 866 not available - then it listed about 8 modes + scan
[23:21] <DarkGu1> Any other options?
[23:21] <AlexC> I chose scan
[23:21] <soundray> 791 should work everywhere
[23:21] <AlexC> I got a list of text modes
[23:21] <AlexC> I chose one
[23:21] <DarkGu1> I doubt a boot option will help
[23:22] <AlexC> So do you want me to try again with 791?
[23:22] <soundray> 791 is 1024x768 at 16bit
[23:22] <AlexC> I can already get that
[23:22] <soundray> DarkGu1: I've fixed at least one strangely behaving machine with that
[23:22] <DarkGu1> soundray: But I need 1400by1500 with 24 bit
[23:22] <soundray> That number keeps changing, DarkGu1
[23:23] <DarkGu1> What number?
[23:23] <soundray> I guess you mean 1440x1050
[23:23] <AlexC> Remember that xrandr said my monitor could do 1680 x 1050 but did not list that option
[23:23] <DarkGu1> No I don't
[23:23] <DarkGu1> I mean 1400by1050
[23:24] <soundray> AlexC: DarkGu1's xrandr says maximum 1280x800
[23:24] <soundray> It's all too weird for me
[23:24] <soundray> Sorry I couldn't help guys
[23:24] <AlexC> Dang
[23:24] <DarkGu1> Are the two sound rays the same
[23:24] <soundray> DarkGu1: are there two of me?
[23:24] <DarkGu1> Yes, on e gold, one green
[23:25] <soundray> Things are getting ever weirder
[23:25] <AlexC> soundray - are you part of the ubuntu dev team?
[23:25] <soundray> No
[23:25] <AlexC> double dang
[23:26] <AlexC> I wish I could find a regular 19" monitor (not wide)
[23:26] <AlexC> They seem to have stopped making them
[23:26] <AlexC> This machine is for a customer and is scheduled to be installed monday morning
[23:26] <AlexC> I will have a difficult tome dancing arouind this
[23:26] <AlexC> I will have a difficult time dancing arouind this
[23:27] <AlexC> I have been on the ubuntu page since 1:00 EST trying to fix this. It is now 6:25
[23:27] <AlexC> thats a long time with no results.
[23:27] <AlexC> I very much appreciate your help.
[23:27] <soundray> Agreed
[23:28] <soundray> Is the graphics card very recent?
[23:28] <AlexC> I thought ubuntu was "the linux that just works"
[23:28] <AlexC> No
[23:28] <soundray> Graphics is always a problem, esp. ATI and NVidia
[23:29] <AlexC> I have been installing this exact configuration (Dell Power Edge Server SC1430) with Red Hat Enterpreise Linux for at least 2 years. Red Hat works with this config
[23:29] <AlexC> If not ATI and nVidia, then what?
[23:29] <soundray> Intel worked out of the box for me
[23:29] <AlexC> Are they not the two most popular video cards in the industry?
[23:29] <soundray> They certainly are
[23:30] <AlexC> So the guys at Ubuntu just thought they would ignore that fact?
[23:30] <soundray> And they happen to be made by the most un-enlightened companies around, as far as free software is concerned
[23:30] <AlexC> Ore the guys at xorg
[23:30] <soundray> It's not a lack of effort on Ubuntu's part
[23:30] <AlexC> How about Dell?
[23:30] <AlexC> Maybe someone should let them klnow
[23:31] <soundray> You can't write a free video driver without open specifications
[23:31] <soundray> Oh, they are being told all the time
[23:31] <AlexC> Again, the most popular manufacturer in ths business
[23:31] <soundray> Torvalds has threatened closing the kernel API to proprietary modules
[23:31] <AlexC> That will driver more people away from linux
[23:32] <soundray> Possibly
[23:32] <soundray> Well, the fact that it hasn't happened says something
[23:32] <AlexC> I think Linux is a pretty smart guy.
[23:32] <AlexC> I think Linus is a pretty smart guy.
[23:33] <soundray> But there are vocal hardliners among the kernel devs who wouldn't give a toss about popularity
[23:33] <AlexC> I do have a problem with the kernel versioning thing!
[23:33] <soundray> Yeah, and he's only 13
[23:33] <AlexC> I used to be able to run one version of my X-Med software on any rev of modern linux
[23:34] <AlexC> Now I must compile on 4 different machines
[23:34] <AlexC> argh
[23:34] <soundray> Medical practice software?
[23:34] <AlexC> yes
[23:34] <soundray> Cool
[23:34] <soundray> I'm a doctor
[23:34] <AlexC> X-Med is written in C
[23:35] <AlexC> my new product, Cybax is written in pygtk
[23:35] <AlexC> It runs on linux, mac and windows
[23:35] <AlexC> This server will be running X-Med
[23:35] <AlexC> cybax is still being developd
[23:36] <AlexC> It is very cool
[23:36] <AlexC> What kind of doctor?
[23:36] <soundray> Is it for appointments and such, or for medical records as well?
[23:36] <soundray> Radiologist
[23:36] <AlexC> All of the above - including medical records, billing, appointments and document management
[23:36] <AlexC> Do you know ali?
[23:37] <soundray> HL7 compliant?
[23:37] <soundray> No
[23:37] <AlexC> He is an anesthesiologist in the UK
[23:37] <soundray> On IRC?
[23:37] <AlexC> X-Med is Hl7 compliant. Cybax will be
[23:37] <soundray> Wow, that must have been hard work...
[23:38] <AlexC> Yes - I wrote X-Med single handedly
[23:38] <AlexC> I have help with Cybax
[23:38] <AlexC> We are using an indian outsourcing company and one of my partners is an ophthalmologist/prrogrammer
[23:38] <soundray> I worked for a company once who were selling image management software
[23:38] <AlexC> What software?
[23:39] <AlexC> Cameleo
[23:39] <AlexC> ?
[23:39] <soundray> They were aiming to make it HL7 compliant, but went bust before they could :)
[23:39] <AlexC> I see
[23:39] <AlexC> I am waiting for a rediologist to read an MRI I had today
[23:40] <AlexC> on my right medial malleolus
[23:40] <soundray> Oh -- nothing bad I hope
[23:40] <AlexC> to rule out osteomyelitis
[23:40] <soundray> Bad twisted ankle?
[23:40] <AlexC> I have an ulcer that has fusarium fungus in it
[23:41] <soundray> Nasty
[23:41] <AlexC> My infectious disease doctor wants to be sure it is not in the bone before she prescrribes mefs
[23:41] <AlexC> My infectious disease doctor wants to be sure it is not in the bone before she prescrribes meds
[23:41] <AlexC> I hope not
[23:41] <soundray> I bet the med students are all keen to see you
[23:41] <AlexC> I saw the images - there were no obvious lights or dark spots on the malleolus that I could see
[23:42] <AlexC> But I am not a doctor
[23:42] <AlexC> I just make it a point to understand things about my body (and others)
[23:42] <soundray> It would be rare for a fungal ulcer to penetrate into the bone
[23:42] <AlexC> I was a pre-veteranary student when I got stupid and got married
[23:42] <AlexC> That's encouraging
[23:43] <AlexC> My ID dr is just being through
[23:43] <AlexC> My ID dr is just being thorough
[23:43] <soundray> ID?
[23:43] <AlexC> I also play keyboards in a Yes triburte band
[23:44] <soundray> :)
[23:44] <AlexC> (www.x-med/com/MP3/
[23:44] <AlexC> there is an instrumental version of Close To The Edge there
[23:44] <AlexC> (www.x-med.com/MP3/
[23:45] <AlexC> Well, I must be on my way. It has been a pleasure talking to you
[23:45] <soundray> Again, sorry I couldn't really help
[23:45] <AlexC> Thanks for trying. :) Bye
[23:46] <soundray> It's worth going down the initialization route once more
[23:46] <soundray> vga=792
[23:46] <soundray> Good luck!
[23:46] <AlexC> What do you hope this will accomplish?
[23:46] <AlexC> I suspect the problem is with the adapter, not the monitor
[23:47] <AlexC> Good night


[00:00] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[13:33] <asac> chrisccoulson: any clue whats the diff of lock and protect tab?
[13:34] <asac> i accidentially moved an app tab to a new window
[13:34] <asac> and want to prevent that
[13:40] <asac> i have locked and protected all app tabs i have for now
[13:40] <asac> maybe feedback to mozilla that the user metaphor is far from clear
[13:40] <asac> even to me :)
[13:40] <asac> e.g. i would think i want one option that just does the right thing
[13:40] <asac> e.g. keep the app there forever
[13:41] <asac> with no way to accidentially closing/moving,etc.
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, do your build machines have the headers for libsm and libice on them? (/usr/include/X11/SM and /usr/include/X11/ICE)
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> hello btw :)
[19:23] <bhearsum> hi :)
[19:23] <bhearsum> let me have a look
[19:23] <bhearsum> looks like it
[19:24] <bhearsum> libICE-1.0.1-2.1
[19:24] <bhearsum> libSM-1.0.1-3.1
[19:24] <bhearsum> (CentOS 5.0 is the build platform, fwiw)
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, excellent, thanks. so, i guess it's probably ok for me to use those headers :)
[19:27] <bhearsum> presumably :)


[00:49] <feep> reasking: hi, why is firefox built with --disable-webrtc on arm? and where can I get a build that has webrtc?


[09:21] <awafaa> what's the recommended way of running both 32bit & 64bit on ubuntu? is it, using 64bit host with a 32bit vm?
[12:15] <infinity> awafaa: arm64 host with armhf binaries, chroots, or VMs.
[12:17] <awafaa> infinity: ta, I'm glad you're not thinking of something weird :)
[12:17] <infinity> awafaa: How does it get weirder?  Staple a Nokia N900 to the side of your arm64 server and redirect the console over USB?
[13:00] <TheBix> hello?
[13:03] <k1l_> hello!
[13:22] <TheBix> i was going to ask if any internal registers are memory mapped in the ARMv7-A
[20:57] <d3sk1ng> raspberry pi 2...ubuntu, raspbian or other?
[21:03] <d3sk1ng> is there anyone?