[03:18] <addsomebass> heya, I am without sound :(
[03:19] <addsomebass> does Ubuntu do well with integrated sound cards?
[07:25] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what is a good program from downloading music
[07:26] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[07:26] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> 10.04 beta 2
[07:27] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well then rhyhtmbox and ubuntu one music store
[07:27] <Akos> *rhythmbox
[07:27] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah but it does not have what I am looking ofr
[07:27] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> for
[07:27] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well then try other music stores
[07:28] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I was looking for frostwire but I dont see it
[07:28] <Akos> amazon has a music download manager too for linux
[07:28] <Akos> frostwire?
[07:29] <Akos> ouh, so warez stuff, well, we won't help you with that kind of software around here I guess (:
[07:30] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ?
[07:30] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> It was it the software center in 9.10
[07:31] <Akos> by warez i ment, illegal download of music, but anyway, the software is probably fine
[07:31] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I know that
[07:32] <Akos> go to frostwire's website, and check the Download page
[07:32] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah that was my next stop
[07:32] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> and if I had the money to pay for music I would
[07:33] <Akos> there are tons of ways to listen to music free without paying
[07:53] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> really where
[08:08] <PD187> last.fm does streaming radio stations.
[08:19] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: like on grooveshark.com, pandora.com, last.fm and so on
[08:20] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[08:33] <ibuclaw> spotify is a Windows app, but works in WINE last time I checked
[08:33] <ibuclaw> ZeRoDeAtH50435, ^^
[08:33] <Akos> hi ibuclaw (:
[08:34] <Akos> grooveshark also has an adobe air app
[08:34] <ibuclaw> http://www.spotify.com/int/help/faq/wine/
[08:35] <ibuclaw> they seem to have taken some care into ensuring WINE compatibility
[08:36] <ibuclaw> btw, did anyone read the Adobe Flash update?
[08:36] <ibuclaw> apparently they've dumped iPod for Android.
[08:37]  * ibuclaw hopes this will mean better flash support for Linux Desktop too
[08:37] <Akos> ibuclaw: well, they've gave up entirely on iphone os
[08:38] <ibuclaw> yeah, that is the one... (/me forgets all the iNames)
[08:41] <ibuclaw> btw, can anyone recommend a good icon theme?
[08:41] <ddecator> now if only spotify was in the US
[08:41] <Akos> uh uh, if i'll remember ...
[08:41] <Akos> i can't :\
[08:42] <ibuclaw> think this http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/332/201004220842101024x600s.png
[08:42] <Akos> i can't open links, i'm httpslly disabled atm :\
[08:42] <ibuclaw> cp and paste
[08:43] <Akos> as i said, i can't OPEN, not click or paste :P
[08:43] <ibuclaw> or type out manually
[08:43] <Akos> http is disabled on my machine, i'm at work
[08:43] <ibuclaw> wget
[08:43] <ibuclaw> =)
[08:43] <Akos> i can only connect to the virtual machine login page, and that's all, on the other hand i have connection, even http, but typing in by hand that image is looooooooooong
[08:44] <ibuclaw> http://tinyurl.com/25j9wp4
[08:44] <Akos> thank you (:
[08:44] <Akos> ibuclaw: what window manager is this?
[08:44] <ibuclaw> openbox
[08:45] <ibuclaw> you are looking at the panel ... aren't you? ;)
[08:45] <Akos> looks cool
[08:45] <ibuclaw> made it myself
[08:45] <Akos> yeah, of course :P
[08:45]  * ibuclaw wanted something tint2-like, but much lighter
[08:46] <Akos> my problem with other window managers, is that they lack the gnome features, ubuntu one, me menu and other intergrations
[08:46] <ibuclaw> so have a bitmap-oriented panel
[08:46] <ibuclaw> what you see there isn't rendered, it's just splicing together images
[08:48] <ibuclaw> currently working on a builtin battery/power monitor though
[08:48] <Akos> oh wow
[08:48] <ibuclaw> my netbook has already lost power twice because I fail to keep track of time, lol
[08:49] <Akos> haha
[08:50] <ibuclaw> luckily (as of 2.6.23) Linux has a nice battery interface
[08:50] <ibuclaw> /sys/class/power_supply
[08:51] <ibuclaw> and within that there are files that output the current tracking of power usage
[08:51] <ibuclaw> /sys/class/power_supply/*/present
[08:51] <ibuclaw> /sys/class/power_supply/*/status
[08:51] <ibuclaw> /sys/class/power_supply/*/charge_now
[08:52] <ibuclaw> /sys/class/power_supply/*/charge_full
[08:52] <ibuclaw> etc
[08:52] <ibuclaw> so with some maths work, can figure out Watt usage, percentage full, and time till power is depleted.
[08:52] <ibuclaw> also the reverse, time till battery is fully charged too
[09:43] <thatGuyInTheSuit> Hello All
[09:47] <leoquant> Hi!
[09:54] <ibuclaw> thatGuyInTheSuit welcome
[14:12] <znxtch> Is it possible to Jailbreak my IPhone using Wine and then sync my music using Ubuntu?
[14:13] <Akos> hi znxtch. Awesome question, I guess you should wait for someone with an iphone (:
[14:15] <znxtch> i meant to say ipod touch
[14:15] <znxtch> im dumb
[14:21] <Zaturn> how do i edit fstab, it won't allow me to save it when i use notepad
[14:32] <phillw> Zaturn: you need to invoke the editor with gksudo from the command line e.g.  gksudo gedit /etc/fstab  but be very careful when editing it, you nac break your system
[14:33] <phillw> nac = can
[14:33] <Zaturn> phillw: is this a good line to add to the fstab file when i try to force the mounting of a disk called "693GB"?   *     /dev/sde1 /media/693GB ntfs-3g force 0 0       *   ? Please note the spaces
[14:33] <Zaturn> lol nac
[14:34] <phillw> i've never used the force option, i generally let the disk utility application get on with it
[14:36] <Zaturn> phillw: me too, but sometiemes im .... forced to :)
[14:37] <phillw> Zaturn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5977458&postcount=5  warns to NOT use force
[14:38] <Zaturn> phillw: hmmm yeah but they run fine in windows ...
[14:39] <phillw> well, one user uses force, as they sometimes need it, just be aware of warning & decide which way to go.
[14:39] <Zaturn> thanks!
[14:39] <Zaturn> chow!
[15:18] <emgomez> anyone around to help with a fun printer screwup?
[15:18] <emgomez> printers yay!
[16:45] <CtrlAlt> hey guys, how can i make the windows burn when i close them?
[16:49] <CtrlAlt> i have no 'burn' effect; the other effects are there, they work perfectly and look amazing and all that
[16:49] <CtrlAlt> but the 'burn' effect is missing
[16:50] <CtrlAlt> nevermind, i found it
[16:50] <CtrlAlt> sorry
[16:51] <nigelbabu> quit
[16:57] <znxtch> https://launchpad.net/~pmcenery/+archive/ppa
[16:57] <znxtch> Okay I installed this into my sources list
[16:57] <znxtch> my question
[16:57] <znxtch> . . .
[16:57] <znxtch> the packages at the bottom of the page
[16:57] <znxtch> so i just have to go through and sudo apt-get install  all of them
[17:05] <ddecator> znxtch: if they depend on one another, they will be marked for installation anyway. if they don't, then you don't necessarily have to install all of them
[17:10] <znxtch> Is there a way to delete all the B.S. I've dumped into my Ubuntu setup and ust be back at ground zero. . .without reinstaling Ubuntu completely?
[17:13] <ddecator> the best way i know of is to use the Software Center, go to Installed Software, and then remove what you no longer need
[17:13] <ddecator> on that note, i have to get to class. sorry i can't stay and help, but i'm sure someone else can =)
[17:13] <ddecator> cya
[17:22] <nigelbabu> ddecator: Hey, welcome to BT :)
[17:22] <nigelbabu> I wanted to say that in a mail, but I guess I didn't get time
[17:43] <pedro3005> ubuntu-beginners-dev
[17:43] <pedro3005> erm
[17:57] <LzrdKing> BT? BitTorrent?
[17:58] <nigelbabu> beginners team
[18:03] <LzrdKing> i like BitTorrent better
[18:03] <LzrdKing> are DMPS calls logged in Xorg.log?
[18:03] <LzrdKing> i can;t get to my logs now but my one monitor keeps shutting off and i'm wondering if its due to dpms
[18:26] <LzrdKing> jMyles_: you ok?
[18:52] <man0riaX> Heya
[19:33] <znxtch> compiledkernel
[19:33] <znxtch> we meet again
[19:33] <ddecator> nigelbabu: thanks =)
[19:36] <compiledkernel> znxtch: indeed.
[19:37] <ddecator> i feel like you two are arch nemeses or something...
[19:39] <znxtch> no i just dont know anyone ese
[19:39] <znxtch> else
[19:39] <znxtch> and i was feeling attention deprived...
[19:39] <znxtch> childhood thing. . .
[19:39] <ddecator> well you'll get to know a lot of us
[19:39] <znxtch> Hey I got another AWESOME new guy question.
[19:40] <znxtch> I think you're going to like it.
[19:40] <ddecator> lets hear it
[19:40] <znxtch> Is there a way. . .
[19:40] <znxtch> to remove all this B.S. I've been installing trying to experiment with software and return ubuntu to a somewhat default state?    without reinstalling
[19:41] <ddecator> didn't like the software center idea?
[19:41] <znxtch> when I say B.S.
[19:41] <znxtch> i mean more like the little packages and suppoting packages that have piled up\
[19:41] <znxtch> I feel like there are still things floating around
[19:41] <ddecator> sudo apt-get auto-remove
[19:41] <ddecator> or is it just autoremove...
[19:42] <znxtch> followed by package name?
[19:42] <ddecator> sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:42] <ddecator> that will offer to remove all packages you no longer need
[19:42] <znxtch> How does it determine what I need?
[19:42] <ddecator> that were previously installed automatically with other packages
[19:43] <znxtch> Reading package lists... Done
[19:43] <znxtch> Building dependency tree
[19:43] <znxtch> Reading state information... Done
[19:43] <znxtch> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[19:43] <znxtch> maybe i cleaned up okay the first time then huh?
[19:43] <ddecator> looks that way =)
[19:43] <znxtch> f yeah!
[19:44] <znxtch> Now for a real zinger
[19:45] <znxtch> I'm looking for educated personal opinions here
[19:45] <znxtch> audioplayers
[19:45] <znxtch> amarok would be awesome but no eq
[19:45] <ddecator> depends on what you want to do with it
[19:45] <znxtch> any other reccomendations for sound quality
[19:46] <shahan> hello everybody
[19:46] <ddecator> i like songbird because of the add-ons, but the latest version isn't available from the PPA yet...
[19:46] <ddecator> shahan: hey
[19:47] <Raidsong> opinions? i have opinions
[19:47] <shahan> ddecator: problem
[19:47] <shahan> installing .taz.bz2 files
[19:47] <ddecator> shahan: and that is?
[19:47] <shahan> I dont know how to do it
[19:47] <ddecator> tar.bz2 files generally contain the source of a program. what are you trying to install exactly?
[19:47] <shahan> dont know how to install thunderbird-3.0.4.tar.bz2
[19:48] <ddecator> ah, right
[19:48] <shahan> ddecator: thunderbird-3.0.4.tar.bz2
[19:48] <ddecator> the ubuntu mozilla team needs to get the thunderbird stable PPA up =p
[19:48] <shahan> ddecator: how to get this?
[19:48] <ddecator> shahan: extract that, then look for a 'thunderbird' file inside the folder
[19:48] <geirha> shahan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[19:49] <ddecator> yah, the mozilla daily ppa has it, but that will also upgrade firefox and everything, if you don't mind that...
[19:49] <znxtch> ddecator: are you using karmic?
[19:49] <ddecator> znxtch: lucid
[19:50] <znxtch> songbird will work on karmic?
[19:50] <ddecator> works on karmic, broken on lucid atm...at least in the PPA, i got it working, but it needs to be merged in after lucid is released
[19:51] <shahan> ddecator: what is PPA?
[19:51] <ddecator> shahan: Personal Package Archive. it's a way for people to release software that isn't in the official repos for various reasons
[19:51] <shahan> ddecator: hmm
[19:52] <shahan> ddecator: I am installing the older version from UBUNTU SOFTWARE CENTER
[19:52] <ddecator> shahan: sounds good. if you decide to upgrade to lucid after the release, then you will get the 3.0.x version
[19:53] <ddecator> they may backport it to karmic as well, idk what the plan is right now...
[19:53] <shahan> ddecator: because so far I have realised that the ubuntu corporation doesnt like to install latest version from mozilla website
[19:53] <shahan> ddecator: they only support the 2.0..... version
[19:53] <ddecator> shahan: it works fine if you use the Ubuntu Mozilla Team's daily PPA, but like i said you'll get the daily version of Thunderbird and Firefox, which aren't quite as stable
[19:53] <ddecator> er, potentially not as stable at least
[19:53] <znxtch> is there reasons why you wouldnt update to lucid whenits released?
[19:54] <ddecator> znxtch: large update, some people might not think it's worth it, don't like certain changes...
[19:54] <shahan> hmm
[19:55] <shahan> however...
[19:55] <shahan> I want to make a customized distro ...
[19:55] <shahan> ddecator: do u have any idea?
[19:56] <ddecator> shahan: about what exactly?
[19:57] <znxtch> dd
[19:57] <znxtch> mind lending a hand with my songbird install?
[19:57] <shahan> ddecator: that is .... all the software installed in my PC ... I will make a distro.... If any one install this distro, he will get all the software installed on my pc same...that is like clone
[19:57] <ddecator> znxtch: how are you trying to install it?
[19:58] <ddecator> shahan: depends on how you setup the distro...
[19:58] <shahan> he will get all the codec installed, all the software like skype, chrome, teamviewer, VLC, Multiget.... everything which I have installed on my PC
[19:58] <znxtch> disregard
[19:58] <znxtch> figured it out
[19:58] <znxtch> was missing a sudo in front of the tar command
[19:58] <shahan> ddecator: like a cloned distro
[19:59] <ddecator> shahan: unfortunately i don't really know much about how that would work
[19:59] <ddecator> znxtch: you could use the daily PPA, it still works on karmic
[20:00] <znxtch> got it running
[20:00] <znxtch> thanks though
[20:00] <ddecator> no problem
[20:04] <shahan> ddecator: installed
[20:04] <ddecator> shahan: good deal =)
[20:04] <shahan> using gmail on it
[20:04] <shahan> I like thunderbird
[20:04] <shahan> its very easy to use gmail in thunderbird
[20:04] <shahan> ddecator: where r u from?
[20:05] <ddecator> nice. i use thunderbird for backing up my emails and i use prism to run gmail
[20:05] <ddecator> shahan: i'm in chicago
[20:05] <shahan> hmm
[20:05] <shahan> UK?
[20:07] <ddecator> me?
[20:07] <shahan> ddecator: yes
[20:08] <ddecator> chicago is in the US
[20:08] <shahan> ddecator: where is chicago?
[20:08] <ddecator> in illinois (United States Midwest)
[20:08] <shahan> ddecator: hmm
[20:10] <shahan> I want a good graphical website designning software in ubuntu
[20:11] <compiledkernel> shahan: you mean something to build HTML with, or otherwise?
[20:11] <LzrdKing> are DPMS calls logged in Xorg.log?  I can't get to my logs right now but my one monitor keeps shutting off and i'm wondering (hoping!) if its due to DPMS
[20:11] <shahan> compiledkernel: yes exactly... like Dreamweaver in Windows
[20:11] <compiledkernel> shahan: bluefish I think is the known accepted
[20:12] <compiledkernel> however
[20:12] <shahan> compiledkernel: I dont like bluefish
[20:12] <compiledkernel> Screem.org aka Screem html/xml editor
[20:12] <compiledkernel> is also acceptable
[20:12] <shahan> compiledkernel: very poor
[20:12] <compiledkernel> shahan: I would disaggree
[20:12] <compiledkernel> its not pretty
[20:12] <compiledkernel> but its effective
[20:12] <shahan> compiledkernel: why?
[20:13] <compiledkernel> you wish to code html, correct shanan?
[20:13] <ddecator> heh, shahan ^
[20:13] <shahan> compiledkernel: no
[20:13] <shahan> ddecator: what?
[20:14] <compiledkernel> you want an ide then
[20:14] <compiledkernel> Kdevelop, Anjuta
[20:14] <ddecator> shahan: your name wasn't spelled right in that message, so i wanted to make sure you got a ping still
[20:14] <compiledkernel> if I have to use a gui (I normally code with vim)
[20:14] <compiledkernel> I use Geany
[20:14] <shahan> compiledkernel: I want to design the web very easily. creating table, colour...everything with grphical interface
[20:14] <compiledkernel> cut/copy/paste ide's
[20:14] <compiledkernel> blah
[20:14] <compiledkernel> weak
[20:14] <compiledkernel> but
[20:14] <compiledkernel> I suppose if you have to do it
[20:15] <shahan> ddecator: :)
[20:15] <compiledkernel> Kdevelop will probably do it
[20:15] <shahan> compiledkernel: give me a clear idea about it.. please
[20:15] <compiledkernel> if your going to do java, refer to Eclipse
[20:15] <shahan> I will do HTML and PHP only
[20:15] <compiledkernel> shahan: http://jeez.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/kdevelop_screen.png
[20:16] <compiledkernel> thats  screenie of kdevelop
[20:16] <shahan> compiledkernel: need to make good table, giving colour...etc
[20:16] <compiledkernel> that can be done with a text editor shahan
[20:16] <compiledkernel> your only hurting yourself by depending on cut/copy/paste ide's
[20:17] <compiledkernel> for development
[20:17] <shahan> compiledkernel: yes...but I want to modify a lot of pages I have created with dreamweaver
[20:18] <compiledkernel> I suppose quanta could be used
[20:18] <znxtch> ddecator:  how do I chge my watched folder i songbird?
[20:19] <ddecator> znxtch: Tools > Options > Media Importer > Watch Folders
[20:19] <shahan> compiledkernel: is there no software like this?
[20:20] <shahan> compiledkernel: ok
[20:20] <shahan> compiledkernel: quanta...how Megabyte?
[20:21] <compiledkernel> shahan: its not large, quanta isnt.
[20:21] <compiledkernel> I believe wine supports dreamweaver
[20:21] <compiledkernel> if thats really a consideration.
[20:21] <compiledkernel> either way , I really think your doing more harm than good for yourself development wise by depending on an IDE to perform the actions.
[20:22] <shahan> compiledkernel: tnx for giving time
[20:22] <compiledkernel> aye
[20:22] <shahan> compiledkernel: let me check the quanta
[20:22] <shahan> compiledkernel: going to sleep
[20:22] <shahan> compiledkernel: its 1 22 AM there
[20:23] <shahan> have to get up early in the morning for Morning Prayer (NAMAZ)
[20:25] <znxtch> Songbird is flippin' suhweet!
[20:25] <znxtch> thanks for turning me on to it dd
[20:25] <ddecator> 1.8.0~a will be available after the lucid release via the PPA
[20:25] <ddecator> znxtch: there are add-ons for MMKey support and other things, such as lyricmaster (a personal favorite)
[20:26] <znxtch> yeah lyrics master rocks!
[20:26] <ddecator> i still need to patch 1.8.0 so it has MMKey support be default..not sure how i'll do that yet
[20:26] <znxtch> mmkey?
[20:27] <ddecator> Multimedia Keys, such as the play, pause, etc. buttons at the top of some laptops
[20:28] <znxtch> i do have those ;)
[20:28] <ddecator> cd ripping doesn't work yet either, that's also on the to-do list
[20:29] <znxtch> ipod support?
[20:29] <ddecator> anyway, i have to go take a midterm, i'll be back in a couple of hours
[20:29] <ddecator> znxtch: it's an add-on, not sure how well it works. i know they're working on improving it, but it might not work at all on linux (idk if it can communicate with USBs yet)
[20:30] <znxtch> chk
[20:31] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> anyone know how to get a wireless brother scanner to work on 10.04
[20:31] <compiledkernel> ZeRoDeAtH50435: model number please.
[20:32] <compiledkernel> ZeRoDeAtH50435: probably not. Accoring to sane site, most of , if not all of their scanners are unsupported.
[20:32] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> MFC-255CW
[20:32] <compiledkernel> http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-BROTHER
[20:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> it was really easy to get the printer to work once I set my windows computer as the host It auto-detected on here and that was it
[20:34] <compiledkernel> scanners are a different story entirely ZeRoDeAtH50435
[20:34] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I was afraid of that
[20:34] <compiledkernel> sane support is sparse, most of the popular units work, but not near as much as printers that are supported.
[20:35] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> right
[20:35] <compiledkernel> sorry to disappoint ZeRoDeAtH50435
[20:35] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> no its ok just have to fax it
[20:35] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:38] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ?
[20:57] <LzrdKing> can someont give me a command line solution for detecting when my wireless card disconnects, then reconnect it?  iwconfig still showed the essis but it wasn't associated
[21:27] <LzrdKing> it was easy for me to get my scanner to work on the box it was plugged into; over the network not so much
[22:15] <ddecator> ZeRoDeAtH50435: simple scan doesn't work?
[22:15] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[22:16] <Bodsda> evenin all
[22:16] <ddecator> hey Bodsda
[22:16] <ddecator> whoa, i got an email from you earlier...
[22:16] <Bodsda> hey ddecator - hows things?
[22:17] <ddecator> Bodsda: pretty good, just took a midterm exam so now it's officially the weekend for me. how are you?
[22:17] <Bodsda> ddecator: heh, not too bad ta, just had my corporate induction today - Explaining IT infrastructure modifications and virtualization projects to comeplete technophobes
[22:18] <ddecator> i dread teaching how email works to technophobes..
[22:18] <Bodsda> email... thats magic, these guys dont understand what a browser is
[22:19] <ddecator> i feel sorry for you
[22:19]  * Bodsda thinks IT basics should be mandatory to anyone owning a phone line
[22:19] <ddecator> people would go phoneless before learning IT basics
[22:19] <Bodsda> lol, probably - as long as they could send letters to faceboo
[22:19] <Bodsda> facebook*
[22:20] <ddecator> and text
[22:20] <Bodsda> ddecator: you coming to the -dev meeting tonight?
[22:20] <ddecator> Bodsda: what will it be about?
[22:21] <Bodsda> ddecator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Meeting
[22:21] <ddecator> Bodsda: yah sure, i'll be there (unless something comes up)
[22:22] <Bodsda> cool
[22:22] <ddecator> i'm guessing it will be in -dev?
[22:22] <Bodsda> yeah
[22:23] <ddecator> alright, i'm in there
[22:32] <emgomez> anyone handy to help me with a printer issue?
[22:32] <emgomez> i have an hp-check log here: http://pastebin.com/CQEDWx8p
[22:33] <ddecator> this may sound stupid, but have you unplugged the usb and replugged it into your computer? that tends to work for me most of the time
[22:43] <emgomez> yeah
[22:43] <emgomez> i have
[22:44] <emgomez> i also unplugged it from the wall and plugged it back in, in conjunction with unplugging/replugging the usb
[22:45] <ddecator> one thing you can try is unplugging the usb, going to System > Administration > Printing, deleting the printer in there, then reconnect the usb so it resets the connects (assuming you haven't set settings on there you don't want to lose)
[22:45] <emgomez> believe me, i did that too
[22:45] <Bodsda> emgomez: unfortunately I dont have an answer for you im afraid - try googling the error error: Unable to communicate with device (code=12) - you may get a better response from #ubuntu as not many people seem to be at their computers here ta the moment im afraid
[22:47]  * phillw doesn't have an HP printer to test it with, sorry
[22:47] <ddecator> hm, i've never had that much issue with my HP printer =\
[22:48] <ddecator> the only other suggestion i have is double checking that hplip is installed and possibly reinstalling it..
[22:48] <phillw> ddecator: HP printers do seem to work well with linux, these all in one systems seem to be problems though.
[22:49] <ddecator> phillw: i have a printer/scanner/copier
[22:49] <phillw> emgomez: if you post up your make & model of printer, I'll gladly go looking for you.
[22:49] <emgomez> it's not an all-in-one, but it's a laserjet P1006, which apparently a lot of people had trouble with out of the box
[22:49] <ddecator> oh, i have that printer at home..
[22:49] <ddecator> i never had trouble...
[22:50] <emgomez> it originally did this thing where the system claimed it printed and recognized the printer and everything, but nothing printed
[22:50] <ddecator> what version of ubuntu?
[22:50] <emgomez> and i got that fixed using the foomatic drivers
[22:50] <emgomez> last fall's, 9.10
[22:50] <ddecator> hplip worked fine for me on 9.10. hm =\
[22:50] <emgomez> but then yesterday, it ran out of paper while in the middle of a printer job
[22:51] <emgomez> which apparently ruined it
[22:51] <emgomez> or else it was a solar flare, i suppose
[22:51] <ddecator> i did have to reinstall hplip once, so that might help
[22:51] <emgomez> yeah, it's a weird issue, not everyone with a 1006 had trouble apparently, just a particular few people
[22:51] <emgomez> hmm
[22:52] <phillw> emgomez: this thread is marked [solved], which is always a good pointer ;-) http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/read.php?43,2400,2400
[22:52] <ddecator> or they bought a new printer and called it a solution, who knows ;)
[22:52] <ddecator> i've used nothing but hp printers with my system though, and i've never run into issues
[22:53] <ddecator> at least not since 9.04
[22:54] <phillw> ddecator: well there's also this interesting(?) one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1442100
[22:55] <ddecator> that's a weird issue...
[22:57] <phillw> ddecator: as i've been flitting between operating systems, I've not actually sat down and got either of the HP laser printers working on my laptop, it's on my 'To Do' list when 10.04 properly settles.
[22:57] <emgomez> well, i removed and reinstaled hplip
[22:58] <emgomez> now i have a new error
[22:58] <ddecator> our laserjet works on 10.04 for me, haha
[22:58] <emgomez> Unable to write 8192 bytes to printer!
[22:58] <ddecator> emgomez: fun, haha. what's the new one?
[22:58] <ddecator> huh..
[22:58] <emgomez> the exclamation point is pretty endearing
[22:58] <emgomez> it's like even the computer is freaked out about it not working like it should
[22:58] <ddecator> when do you get that error?
[22:59] <emgomez> it's sitting there in the properties pane if i open up System-Admin-Printing
[22:59] <emgomez> the properties of the particular printer, i mean to say
[22:59] <emgomez> under "Printer State"
[23:00] <ddecator> what if you delete the printer then reconnect it so it recollects the information?
[23:00] <emgomez> if i try to printer, the same 8192 bytes message shows--- WHAT
[23:00] <emgomez> WHAT
[23:00] <emgomez> now it's printing
[23:00] <emgomez> WHAT THE HECK
[23:00] <emgomez> hm
[23:00] <emgomez> okay
[23:00] <emgomez> only the first page
[23:00] <ddecator> printing is progress =p
[23:01] <emgomez> okay, so i just tried to print a test page
[23:01] <emgomez> from the printer dialog
[23:01] <emgomez> and it got sent as if it was working and the little printer queue popped up
[23:01] <emgomez> but no printing is happening
[23:02] <ddecator> did you remove the printer then reconnect so it reset?
[23:02] <emgomez> and under printer status, it says "Processing: If you have another 1006 printer connected to this machine, please remove it and blacklist..."
[23:02] <emgomez> but the message doesn't wrap and my laptop screen is only so big
[23:02] <ddecator> shouldn't have to blacklist anything
[23:03] <ddecator> it sounds like it's confusing itself, haha
[23:03] <emgomez> well, i removed hplip and upgraded it and then shut down the printer and unplugged the usb
[23:03] <emgomez> and then plugged the usb back in and then started the printer back up
[23:03] <emgomez> i don't even know what blacklisting is or how to do it
[23:03] <ddecator> delete the job, unhook the usb, delete the printer in Printing, then reconnect the usb for the printer so it re-establishes the connection and see if that works
[23:04]  * ddecator should be thankful he hasn't run into these printer issues before
[23:05] <emgomez> okay, i just did that
[23:05] <emgomez> the printer configured
[23:05] <emgomez> i sent a job to it, which is "Processing"
[23:05] <emgomez> but my orange error light on the printer is blinking
[23:06] <ddecator> ...any idea what that's supposed to mean?
[23:06] <emgomez> LMFAO
[23:06] <emgomez> i wish
[23:07] <emgomez> no status error messages are reporting via the print manager
[23:07] <emgomez> i mean
[23:07] <emgomez> this is what happened when it ran out of paper midway through a job
[23:07] <emgomez> so i put more paper in
[23:07] <emgomez> and it whirred a little bit
[23:07] <emgomez> but the light didn't go away, so i thought "hey, i'll push the hardware button marked with a big red X. that must mean something."
[23:08] <emgomez> and the light went away
[23:08] <emgomez> but nothing else worked
[23:08] <emgomez> sigh
[23:08] <emgomez> i guess i'll push it again
[23:08] <emgomez> oooh
[23:08] <emgomez> the test page is printing
[23:09] <ddecator> progress =)
[23:09] <emgomez> not really
[23:09] <emgomez> so i printed a two page document
[23:09] <emgomez> and again, the first page prints
[23:09] <emgomez> and then the error light comes back on
[23:09] <ddecator> paper jam?
[23:10] <emgomez> but the system is convinced that that the print job was successful
[23:10] <emgomez> well, it didn't pull in a second sheet that could have gotten jammed
[23:10] <emgomez> all sheets of paper present and accounted for
[23:12] <ddecator> right, but my printer freaks out sometimes if the stack is too big, try having just 5 sheets in there, then print the 2 pages
[23:13] <emgomez> oh honest to god, if taking out some paper solves this, i don't know what i'll do
[23:13] <emgomez> nah, same deal, prints the first page and then the error light blinks on
[23:13] <ddecator> heh, mind looking up what that light means?
[23:15] <emgomez> in the documentation that came with the printer?
[23:16] <ddecator> or possibly an online version
[23:16] <emgomez> yeah, i'm downloading it now
[23:16] <ddecator> hp might have pdfs of their manuals
[23:16] <ddecator> ok, good deal
[23:16] <emgomez> i just didnt know if you meant the docs or some status report in the terminal you wanted me to run
[23:17] <ddecator> nah, the docs
[23:17] <ddecator> if we know that the problem is, it'll help us know if it's really software or something else
[23:18] <emgomez> *coughs*
[23:18] <emgomez> well
[23:19] <ddecator> well?
[23:19] <emgomez> Attention                    Close the print-cartridge door,
[23:19] <emgomez>                              remove the paper jam, install
[23:19] <emgomez>                              the cartridge, or add paper.
[23:19] <emgomez> HP LaserJet P1000
[23:19] <emgomez> Series:
[23:19] <emgomez> ●    Print-cartridge door is
[23:19] <emgomez>      open
[23:19] <emgomez> ●    Paper jam
[23:19] <emgomez> ●    No cartridge installed
[23:19] <emgomez> ●    Paper out
[23:19] <emgomez> probably not the most helpful documentation in the history of documentation
[23:19] <emgomez> i already opened it up to check if there was a jam
[23:19] <emgomez> there isn't
[23:20] <ddecator> ha, but at least it suggests it isn't software...maybe the toner is low?
[23:21] <emgomez> then i would have expected to see fading on the printing, particularly from the test page
[23:21] <emgomez> but i haven't
[23:21] <emgomez> and it doesn't really explain why i can send a document, it will print the only the first page and then the error light comes on
[23:22] <emgomez> but i dont get an error message from the print console, saying the job had to be aborted, or whatever
[23:22] <ddecator> hm, and after opening and closing the printer, it still only prints one page?
[23:23] <emgomez> mmm, after opening and closing it, it whirs up, the ready light goes on and the second page just printed
[23:24] <ddecator> o.o
[23:24] <ddecator> try printing both pages again to see if they both print without a problem
[23:25] <emgomez> well
[23:25] <emgomez> i printed another two page document
[23:25] <emgomez> which came out just fine
[23:25] <emgomez> without error lights
[23:26] <emgomez> AHHHH
[23:26] <ddecator> again?
[23:26] <emgomez> then i go back to print the same document i was testing with
[23:26] <emgomez> and right, only the first page and then the error light goes on
[23:26] <emgomez> the document that worked was a news article in firefox
[23:26] <emgomez> the one that fails is a pdf
[23:27] <ddecator> hm...
[23:27] <emgomez> i guess i should try and .odt and see what happens
[23:27] <emgomez> and then opening and closing the top again gets the second page to print
[23:27] <ddecator> very odd...
[23:29] <emgomez> the openoffice document goes through just fine
[23:29] <ddecator> do you have another pdf you can test with?
[23:30] <emgomez> i just did
[23:30] <emgomez> same deal, prints the first page and then the error light goes on
[23:30] <emgomez> at least it's predictable
[23:31] <ddecator> so it's just pdfs..at least so far
[23:31] <ddecator> using hplip?
[23:32] <emgomez> i'm pretty sure i am?
[23:33] <emgomez> the manager is system-config-printer
[23:33] <ddecator> well you mentioned something about using the foo driver earlier i thought
[23:33] <emgomez> sigh
[23:34] <emgomez> you might have to give me a lesson on the difference exactly
[23:34] <emgomez> hplip is a set of drivers or a manager?
[23:34] <emgomez> because i also have this HP device manager thing that sits in my system tray and seems pretty useless
[23:35] <emgomez> and actually doesn't have the 1006 on it although it used to, before i uninstalled the printer from absolutely everything last night
[23:35] <ddecator> well hplip-cups is a driver, but there is also the manager
[23:35] <emgomez> okay, i'm 99% sure i'm not using the manager, although i think it's running
[23:35] <emgomez> and the printer is using the foo drivers
[23:36] <emgomez> according to system-config-printing, although i can't seem to change the drivers -- everything hangs if i try, or else sometimes it says that the drivers were installed successfully but the change isn't reflected in the manager
[23:37] <ddecator> hm, one sec
[23:40] <ddecator> huh, you might have to set it up manually to change the driver...
[23:42] <emgomez> which would involve doing what exactly?
[23:42] <ddecator> in the preferences for the printer, next to Make and Model, select change, select HP, find the model, then choose to create a new PPD, which -should- allow you to choose the driver from a list
[23:43] <emgomez> i have "provide PPD file"
[23:44] <emgomez> but i mean, am i changing it to an hplip driver?
[23:45] <ddecator> yah, to test that
[23:46] <emgomez> okay, but i don't see where on the hplip site i can just download the ppd files
[23:46] <emgomez> well, let me go through the installation checklist and see what happens
[23:46] <ddecator> the PPD is created when you first connect the printer
[23:46] <emgomez> oh
[23:47] <emgomez> where would i find it in the filesystem?
[23:47] <ddecator> your sure that it's using the foo driver?
[23:47] <ddecator> you're*
[23:48] <emgomez> the config dialog says "Make and Model: HP LaserJet P1006 Foomatic/foo2xqx (recommended)"
[23:48] <emgomez> so... i don't know any other way i should check?
[23:49] <ddecator> huh, mine is hpijs
[23:49] <ddecator> which i thought was the default..
[23:49] <ddecator> do you have hpijs installed?
[23:49] <emgomez> well, i'm pretty sure i'm not using the default because this printer didn't work when i first plugged it in
[23:50] <emgomez> and this was the fix that worked for me: http://reclusivegeek.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/installing-hp-laserjet-p1006-on-ubuntu-810/
[23:50] <emgomez> no, i don't have hpijs installed
[23:50] <emgomez> should i install it?
[23:51] <ddecator> sure
[23:51] <emgomez> wheeeeee
[23:51] <ddecator> that's what has worked for me
[23:52] <emgomez> should i install the suggested packages?
[23:52] <emgomez> hpijs-ppds hplip-doc kdeprint gtklp xpp hplip-gui
[23:52] <ddecator> yes
[23:53] <emgomez> uh
[23:53] <emgomez> Configuration file `/etc/xdg/autostart/hplip-systray.desktop'
[23:53] <emgomez>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[23:53] <emgomez>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
[23:53] <emgomez>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[23:53] <emgomez>     Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[23:53] <emgomez>     N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
[23:53] <emgomez>       D     : show the differences between the versions
[23:53] <emgomez>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[23:53] <emgomez>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[23:53] <emgomez> *** hplip-systray.desktop (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
[23:54] <ddecator> just keep your own i guess, shouldn't matter
[23:54] <emgomez> okay
[23:55] <emgomez> so it's installed, should i delete the printer and unplug/reinstall it?
[23:55] <emgomez> or just try printing?
[23:56] <ddecator> delete and do the unplug stuff
[23:57] <emgomez> mmm, error light is back
[23:57] <ddecator> is it using hpijs?
[23:57] <emgomez> this is potentially going to culminate in a reenactment of the printer scene from office space
[23:58] <ddecator> good scene, but i hope that doesn't happen, haha
[23:58] <emgomez> it didn't automatically configue
[23:58] <emgomez> *configure
[23:58] <ddecator> what'd it do?
[23:58] <emgomez> nothing
[23:58] <emgomez> it's searching for printers right now
[23:58] <emgomez> and i'm configuring manually
[23:59] <ddecator> heh, i love printers...
[23:59] <emgomez> now it's hanging....
[23:59] <emgomez> ME TOO
[23:59] <emgomez> this is such a good printer when it works
[23:59] <emgomez> i love having a laserprinter


[05:54] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Beta] (20200926) has been added
[11:12] <RikMills> santa_: https://github.com/KDAB/KDSoap/issues/207#issuecomment-699147111
[11:57] <santa_> RikMills: thank you very much for the info
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:02] <santa_> hi BluesKaj
[12:02] <BluesKaj> hi santa_
[12:03] <santa_> RikMills: btw I'm going to do some kubuntu stuff this weekend so I might need to discuss with you a few small things
[12:03] <santa_> the patch from the super-nice russian guy for example
[18:44] <santa_> RikMills: FYI we are going to have the KA documentation online
[18:44] <santa_> https://kubuntu-automation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/


[17:03] <Brian_H> hey all... anyone have a recommendation for a quality wifi router thats reliable (as far as wifi goes)?
[22:12] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Linksys EA6500 (I think it has 8 internal radios) or Belkin N900 DB Advanced (6-8 radios)
[22:13] <bkerensa> Brian_H: N900 DB Advanced has energy saving mode so if there are hours you know your not every using it can shut off
[22:13] <bkerensa> both routers allow cloud storage too
[22:14] <Brian_H> lol nice thanks :)
[22:50] <Brian_H> bkerensa: have you tested either of those? which do you have the best luck for set it and forget it type environments?
[22:50] <Brian_H> something as close to a real appliance as possible would be nice
[22:50] <bkerensa> I have tested both and enjoyed both
[22:50] <bkerensa> had no issues with either
[22:51] <Brian_H> ok cool :) I appreciate the response
[22:51] <bkerensa> The EA6500 has a android app so you can access your router anywhere
[22:51] <bkerensa> :D
[23:23] <bkerensa> Brian_H: btw new site looks nice
[23:23] <Brian_H> thanks :)


[00:09] <cybercrypto> Hi there... I have notice that xubuntu 19.10 iso image is the only Ubuntu flavour that kept the ZFS option available for the installation!
[00:10] <cybercrypto> does it means that we may have a new '0.1' version soon so the zfs installer can be merged again?
[00:14] <Unit193> We followed the lead with others adding the option of ZFS, near release it was changed globally how it was done, but the option should be there for others as well.
[00:32] <cybercrypto> Unit193: thanks. I also agree that would be great if option was kept for all flavours... even the main iso for ubuntu-gnome had the option removed!
[00:34] <Unit193> One has to specifically select to wipe all partitions, but it *should* be there, I think.
[00:37] <cybercrypto> Unit193: I tried, couldnt find.
[00:38] <cybercrypto> It is ok... I am not in a hurry... O just appreciate getting zfs on linux finally baked-up by cannonical. I wokr with zfs for quite long time now in BSD's... cant wait to see it largely adopted in linux.
[00:45] <Bashing-om> cybercrypto: So far as I have been able to read - ZFS install option is only available at the initial time of the install: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/something-exciting-is-coming-with-ubuntu-19-10/ .
[00:45] <Unit193> Slight side note: It should be available in Xubuntu Core too. :>
[00:46] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Speculate how long before you have 20.04 core up for testing ?
[00:47] <Unit193> I only ever get feedback from one guy testing it, so I want to give him a slight break after eoan.
[00:48] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Well - I fail then in my duties :(
[01:07] <cybercrypto> Unit193: Yes, it is still present as an install option for xubuntu 19.10
[01:11] <cybercrypto> Bashing-om: Yeap... zfs support itself is there... no doubt about it. I am refering to the install zfs option (which was present on the installers (such calamares, ubiquity, etc..)
[01:36] <Gusj> Hello, I have Xubuntu 18.04 LTS installed and I am looking for the 'Devices' in settings in order to change the color profile, but I am missing Devices is there another way to change color profile by default?
[04:14] <Gusj>  Hi, I am running Xubuntu 18.04 LTS have not been able to change color profile, screen is too blueish, have install displaycal with no luck, how can one do this ni 18.04 xfce?
[04:16] <Gusj> Thought it was straightforward to change monitor profile but currently stuck
[04:19] <diogenes_> Gusj, the newest xfce 4.14 has color management built in.
[04:21] <Gusj> diogenes_, Thank you, I have 4.12 which is what came with the 18.04 LTS, should I update to that?
[04:22] <Gusj> diogenes_, When I tried using displaycal. the 'Calibrate and Profile' button is greyed out
[04:22] <diogenes_> see if you can upgrade first to 19.04 > 19.10 or download 19.10 which has 4.14.
[04:24] <Gusj> diogenes_, Ok will try that, I started with 18.04 LTS because it was recommended for a beginner
[04:24] <diogenes_> also no clue how displaycat works, maybe you need additional stuff to install like colord and xiccd.
[04:24] <Gusj> diogenes_, yes, I iunstalled xiccd, colord was already installed.. and did not work
[04:25] <diogenes_> in any case in order color profiles to work with xfce 4.14 you need those 2 colord and xiccd.
[04:26] <Gusj> diogenes_, And how was it done before 4.14?
[04:28] <diogenes_> Gusj, no clue about that but here is how it looks like in 4.14: https://i.imgur.com/9prl8p4.png
[04:29] <Gusj> diogenes_, Very nice... thank you... looking into how to upgrade right now
[04:30] <diogenes_> Gusj, no problem.
[08:47] <henrebotha[m]> Any educated guesses on when Xubuntu 19.04→19.10 upgrade path will be available?
[11:28] <Noboru55> Hello, let me show my doubt...  i have a partition 198,5 GB and its used only 157 mb for my audios and pictures....  when i see the properties in thunar, it shows 186,5 GB of 196,8 GB free (5% used) 186,5 GB of 196,8 GB free (5% used)186,5 GB of 196,8 GB free (5% used)
[11:29] <Noboru55> how is it possible?
[11:29] <Noboru55> 5% for only 157mb...
[11:30] <Noboru55> it happened to my partition /  and the bleachbit soved ...
[11:30] <Noboru55> i am using Xubuntu 18.04
[11:32] <Noboru55> if it's not a glitch so xubuntu uses more disk than windows i guess
[11:37] <tomreyn> Noboru55: which file system do you have there?
[11:38] <tomreyn> (had we not discussed this previously, like a week ago?)
[11:38] <Noboru55> tomreyn: it's a ext4 partition and i have there only songs and pictures
[11:38] <Noboru55> i asked it before but i had quit before the answer, i am sorry for that
[11:39] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7950/reserved-space-for-root-on-a-filesystem-why
[11:40] <Noboru55> oh, so thats why
[11:40] <Noboru55> thank you
[11:41] <Noboru55> but my main partition the /  it was using something like 25% before bleachit... maybe cache files of games..
[11:41] <Noboru55> anyway.. now i understood
[11:41] <Noboru55> tomreyn thanks!
[11:41] <tomreyn> you'Re welcome. you can reduce it a bit, if you feel you need to, or even to 0 on file systems other than the one kmounted at / but you should still try to keep some speace free.
[11:44] <cybercrypto> henrebotha[m]: They normally delay the upgrade in general... I believe there is no specific date yet, But: it is around 1 week delay if we recall the past history.
[11:45] <Noboru55> i see, i will let the things this way.about parole, it doesn't run some kind of videos, i installed vlc, its better
[11:48] <henrebotha[m]> Great answer, appreciate itcybercrypto
[11:49] <henrebotha[m]> Great answer, appreciate itcybercrypto
[11:49] <cybercrypto> henrebotha[m]: np, most welcome.
[11:50] <henrebotha[m]> Great answer, appreciate itcybercrypto
[12:15] <cybercrypto> henrebotha[m]: you can always check the meta-release file to see if they have publish yet. When the eoan is appended into the meta-release file, you can run the do-release-upgrade tools for sure.
[12:16] <cybercrypto> henrebotha[m]: meta-release is online and can be checked mannually or via simple script if you will, try wget to output STDOUT http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[12:17] <cybercrypto> henrebotha[m]: let me know if that works for ya.
[12:19] <henrebotha[m]> Ah that's awesome, reliable way to check
[12:19] <henrebotha[m]> Thanks
[12:21] <cybercrypto> henrebotha[m]: np.
[17:23] <Loeb> I updated to 19.10 (XFCE 4.14 yaaaay!) but now my screen is locking after 5 min. I don't know where that setting is set, it doesn't appear to be related to screensaver (turned off but when on "regard the computer idle after" will always set back to 5min when the settings is opened) or power management (all display management disabled except for "switch off after: 30 min")
[17:24] <Loeb> I haven't confirmed this on my desktop but I can confirm that it overwrote my xscreensaver settings there.
[17:38] <diogenes_> Loeb, check how many screensavers you have at startup.
[17:40] <Loeb> I have "Screen Locker" and "Screensaver", I think those are different?
[17:41] <diogenes_> definitely.
[17:41] <diogenes_> disable one and re-log.
[17:41] <Loeb> I do recall my desktop having two screensavers running or something weird like that, but again the 5 min issue is on my laptop.