[11:08] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:31] <jjesse> @agenda Detriot
[01:31] <jjesse> @agenda Detroit
[01:32] <Mithrandir> jjesse: @schedule
[01:33] <jjesse> Mithrandir: thanks
[01:33] <jjesse> @schedule Detroit
[01:33] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 17:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 16:00: Technical Board | 24 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:25] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 May 05:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 04:00: Technical Board | 24 May 21:30: Xubuntu | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:00] <bluefoxicy> UDT?
[03:00] <bluefoxicy> in... an hour?
[03:07] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Italy
[03:07] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[03:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> @schedule United States/New York
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> @schedule EST
[03:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 15:00: Technical Board | 24 May 08:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> Any idea how long the Development Team meeting is going to last about?
[03:15] <Kamion> 90 minutes
[03:16] <Kamion> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-May/000137.html
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> I'll check back here in an hour anda half then.
[03:19] <zul> hey jeff
[03:19] <jbailey> Heya Chuck!
[03:20] <ajmitch> morning jeff
[03:21] <jbailey> Hi Andrew.
[03:25] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: it *starts* in about 35 minutes, though.
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> ah
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  <bluefoxicy> @schedule EST
 Schedule for EST: 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 15:00: Technical
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> It's 9:21 here
[03:26] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: I bet it's also EDT, not EST
[03:26] <Kamion> being summer and all
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> I guess.  I'm set to New york time.
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> Who invented this crap.
[03:26] <Kamion> New York is EDT when daylight savings is in effect
[03:27] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  Tell The Man that he shouldn't be messing with time and there's 24 hours in a day, not 23 once in a while and 25 at other times.
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> anyway, too much noise in the signal.
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> This going to be a Dapper discussion or is somebody slipping in something about Edgy today?
[03:30] <jbailey> @schedule America/Montreal
[03:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 17:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 16:00: Technical Board | 24 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:31] <jbailey> SYSV time codes suck.  Use something modern =)
[03:31] <jbailey> Ubugtu: thanks.
[03:35] <zul> meh...there should be America/Ottawa ;)
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> @schedule Canada/Ottawa
[03:36] <jbailey> zul: Toronto's there.
[03:36] <jbailey> But yeah, they're missing a few cities.
[03:36] <zul> zul: yeah toronto thinks its the center of the universe though
[03:40] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: expect us to be concentrating primarily on dapper
[03:40] <bluefoxicy> zul:  Vile described it more as "I live in the middle of f--ing nowhere"
[03:41] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  nods.
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  I'm waiting to see how Edgy is going to go anyway... dapper is on a late release, that puts Edgy 4 months away if it steps back to get on-schedule.
[03:43] <jbailey> bluefoxicy: I'm sure that we can probably break more than enough in 4 months to keep everyone happy. ;)
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> haha I saw that
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> mark was like "..... as a result Edgy won't be quite as polished as dapper..."
[03:43] <Kamion> 4 months is the current plan, yes
[03:43] <Kamion> well, 4.5
[03:44] <janimo> is there a place where only the edgy specs can be seen?
[03:45] <ranf> hi
[03:45] <jjesse> i don't think the edgy specs have been created yet
[03:45] <janimo> I did not find a way of sorting specs accoring to creation date
[03:45] <janimo> well proposals for the summit Imean
[03:45] <janimo> I saw at least one which was made recently and is aimed at edgy
[03:57] <pitti> hello!
[03:58] <ajmitch> hi
[03:58] <Mithrandir> pong!
[03:58] <zul> hi pitti
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> hey pitti.
[03:58] <JaneW> ping: BenC, doko, dholbach,  Kamion,  Kinnison ,  mvo, ogra, Riddell, sfflaw
[03:58] <dholbach> pong
[03:59] <pitti> JaneW: doko is in Mexico at debconf, probably asleep
[04:00] <Riddell> hi JaneW
[04:00] <JaneW> what's Mexico's TZ?
[04:00] <JaneW> @schedule Mexico
[04:00] <Kamion> here
[04:00] <zul> central standard time i think
[04:00] <JaneW> UTC -?
[04:00] <pitti> JaneW: should be very early morning now
[04:00] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > TZ=Mexico/General date
[04:00] <Mithrandir> tor mai 18 09:00:45 CDT 2006
[04:00] <Kamion> @schedule America/Mexico_City
[04:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Mexico_City: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 15:00: Technical Board | 24 May 08:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:00] <iwj> While we're waiting, I thought I'd just ask: is there anyone who doesn't think these meetings would be less inconvenient if they were all an hour earlier ?
[04:00] <pitti> -9ish?
[04:01] <Mithrandir> iwj: I'm hoping we can revisit the schedule in paris since I think the current one is a fits-nobody rather than a fits-somebody-most-of-the-time.
[04:01] <pitti> iwj: I don't particularly mind the time of all but the 0200 UTC one, and having this one earlier would be great for me
[04:01] <JaneW> ping: BenC, doko, dholbach,  Kinnison ,  ogra,  sfflaw
[04:01] <Kamion> has anyone SMSed mz?
[04:01] <Kamion> mdz?
[04:01] <ogra> cough
[04:02] <JaneW> the solution is easy, move mdz East
[04:02] <JaneW> hi ogra
[04:02] <zul> heh
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch:  aw come on, 3am isn't too late ;)
[04:02] <dholbach> JaneW: I ponged you two times :)
[04:02] <Mithrandir> pitti: having the 0200 UTC one at 2200 UTC or so would be nice, agreed.
[04:02] <JaneW> dholbach: sorry
[04:02] <Keybuk> Kamion: sms sent
[04:02] <jbailey> JaneW: I'm sure the Californian would *love* Montral weather right now. =)
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  can we talk after the meeting?
[04:02] <iwj> Hmm, yes, 0700 in US/Pacific now.
[04:02] <pitti> bluefoxicy: yes
[04:02] <zul> jbailey, its not that bad
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  nods.  Thanks.
[04:03] <JaneW> fabbione gave appologies, since he is on vac
[04:03] <JaneW> I am not certain if mdz is planning to attend or not
[04:03] <JaneW> I would have thought so though
[04:03] <JaneW> he wanted the meeting to be 90 minutes
[04:04] <Kamion> I would very much like to have mdz here at this point in the release cycle
[04:04] <Mithrandir> somebody call him?
[04:04] <Mithrandir> it's just at 0900 in the morning.
[04:04] <Kamion> I've lost my voice so I can't
[04:04] <jbailey> I can easily.  Got a phone,  cheap calls form here.
[04:04] <Keybuk> went to voicemail
[04:04] <Kamion> anyway, let's get started in the meantime
[04:05] <JaneW> Kamion: yes me too, this is not a regular run down
[04:05] <JaneW> jbailey: DOIT
[04:05] <sivang> hi all
[04:05] <JaneW> hi BenC
[04:05] <BenC> hello
[04:05] <Kamion> BenC: you're up
[04:05] <BenC> finally :)
[04:05] <Keybuk> did we forget infinity again? :)
[04:05] <jbailey> JaneW: he's looking for internet right now, pl ease start without him.
[04:06] <infinity> I'm here.
[04:06] <JaneW> jbailey: right thanks
[04:06] <Keybuk> just checking <g>
[04:06] <JaneW> ok lets start from the top this week
[04:06] <infinity> BenC: We need that new kernel upload yesterday, BTW.
[04:06] <BenC> hold off on me till later in the meeting, I am real busy getting this kernel done
[04:06] <Kamion> BenC: no, I mean you're up in the meeting :-)
[04:06] <Kamion> ok
[04:06] <Kamion> dholbach:
[04:06] <dholbach> IconMission: ubuntu-artwork transitioned to icon-naming-utils, some glitches to fix up -- icon page now reflects the state of affairs (requested/missing icons)
[04:06] <dholbach> BugMission: HUG DAY next week, catching up
[04:06] <dholbach> this week (done): icon mission, mass-filed some more motu bugs, bug triage
[04:06] <dholbach> this week (todo): more bug triage, more bug fixing, do uploads until Matt closes the gates :-)
[04:06] <dholbach> next week: cd testing, bug triage, bug fixing
[04:06] <BenC> (thanks)
[04:06] <Kamion> how far away is the artwork from final?
[04:07] <Kamion> not that artwork has *ever* delayed releases before, oh no
[04:07] <dholbach> if you look at http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/ic/ you will notice the icon sizes in RED which are missing
[04:07] <dholbach> the most important ones are SVGs
[04:07] <Riddell> dholbach: you'll be keeping an eye on all those KDE recompiles?
[04:07] <dholbach> and I pray and hope they get done soon :(
[04:07] <dholbach> however that's not in my hands
[04:07] <dholbach> Riddell: yes
[04:08] <Riddell> thanks
[04:08] <seb128> dholbach: will you try to have an eye to keep on GNOME stuff too? :p
[04:08] <dholbach> apart from that the splash and the wallpapers will get the "Ubuntu Dapper Beta" removed, which is easy enough
[04:08] <dholbach> seb128: yes :-)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> dholbach: about those kde recompiles - if we could get a list on what still needs fixing, after the rebuild, that would be awesome.
[04:09] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I'm doing all of main today (8-9 are missing) - I can do a new universe list soon, but not today
[04:09] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I'll let you know
[04:09] <Hobbsee> dholbach: excellent, thanks.  sounds good to me.
[04:09] <JaneW> dholbach: are the bug days done for dapper, or are you holding some lasy ones?
[04:10] <JaneW> last
[04:10] <dholbach> JaneW: I think we should do them.
[04:10] <JaneW> dholbach: yup, when?
[04:10] <dholbach> wednesday too?
[04:10] <iwj> Kamion: Don't talk to me about artwork.  See mails about ff themes.  More on this when it's my turn ...
[04:10] <BenC> dholbach: was the kernel bug day done...did I miss it?
[04:10] <JaneW> tomorrow (NOT)
[04:10] <pitti> for triaging they are nice, we just won't be able to fix many bugs any more next week
[04:10] <dholbach> BenC: it seems you missed it :-(
[04:11] <infinity> Only Major blocking bugs next week, and perhaps some "polish" bugs.  That's about all we'll tackle.
[04:11] <dholbach> This one went a bit chaotic, I must admit, with Simon missing and me caught up in the icon mission.
[04:11] <infinity> So, I'm not sure how much value bug days will be.
[04:11] <Kamion> ah, welcome mdz
[04:11] <mdz> laggy but here
[04:11] <dholbach> hi mdz
[04:11] <JaneW> hi mdz
[04:11] <mdz> Kamion: can you paste me a log to date?
[04:11] <Keybuk> mdz: you're up next
[04:11] <dholbach> infinity: I think it's still good to do it
[04:11] <Kamion> mdz: will do, just a moment
[04:11] <BenC> dholbach: The wiki was done last Friday, so whenever you feel like scheduling a triage for kernel bugs...
[04:12] <Mithrandir> infinity: getting rid of unconfirmed bugs is always good, though
[04:12] <dholbach> BenC: thanks
[04:12] <infinity> Mithrandir: True, but not if it detracts heavily from testing images and finding showstoppers.
[04:12] <infinity> (and fixing those)
[04:12] <Mithrandir> infinity: true
[04:12] <dholbach> if it gets new people involved in bug triage, I think that's worthwhile
[04:13] <JaneW> ok BenC are you ready now?
[04:13] <mdz> Kamion: regarding artwork, we are in an unfortunate position of being at sabdfl's mercy
[04:13] <JaneW> while mdz catches up...
[04:13] <BenC> yes
[04:13] <BenC> * Kernel: Final build is completing as we meet. Lots of last minute patches. This is actually a much larger upload than I had planned. It's not a huge amount of code, but it's a lot of trivial and minor things that should make dapper really complete.
[04:13] <BenC> * Anything else: Not really...
[04:14] <BenC> pretty to the point really
[04:14] <mdz> Kamion: he insists on icon updates through the 29th
[04:14] <Kamion> ok, thanks dholbach
[04:14] <Kamion> doko is not here (vacation?)
[04:14] <Kamion> fabbione: around?
[04:14] <infinity> mdz: Gah.
[04:14] <Kamion> mdz: what a novelty
[04:14] <Kamion> mdz: !
[04:14] <JaneW> doko is in mexico
[04:14] <Kamion> so much for a release candidate!
[04:14] <fabbione> Kamion: yes but i am in holidays
[04:14] <fabbione> Kamion: so i have no update whatsoever
[04:14] <Kamion> ok
[04:14] <mdz> Kamion: exactly
[04:15] <Kamion> mdz: what are the chances of negotiation here?
[04:15] <mdz> Kamion: the discussion has been closed, at least for now
[04:15] <mdz> I'm sorry
[04:15] <mdz> Kamion: yes, doko is on holiday
[04:15] <JaneW> mdz/kamion: we are missing doko (debconf), fabbione (vac)  Kinnison ? ,   sfflaw ?
[04:16] <Kamion> ok, apparently nobody wants to ask anything about the kernel :)
[04:16] <mdz> JaneW: sfllaw is on vacation as well
[04:16] <JaneW> ok thanks
[04:16] <infinity> Kamion: I'm happy if it gets uploaded, really. :)
[04:16] <Kamion> heno: around?
[04:16] <mdz> I have no information about Kinnison
[04:16] <Kamion> infinity: me too ...
[04:16] <Kamion> IIRC Kinnison is embroiled in moving, but I could be wrong
[04:16] <heno> Kamion: yes, I'm up?
[04:16] <mdz> ah, possibly. would be on StaffCalendar if so
[04:17] <Kamion> heno: yep, if you have anything
[04:17] <seb128> he mailed warthogs list say he's on vac from 12th to 19th
[04:17] <heno>  * accessibility: Live CD: gok is still broken (but works on my desktop) -- bug #42308. The magnifier fails to start automatically, but starts from the terminal (bug #45413). The SoC projects seem to be off to a good start.
[04:17] <heno>  * example-content: updating screenshots and fixing typos.
[04:17] <heno>  * popcon: helped Tollef make http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ a bit less ugly
[04:17] <heno>  * ubuntu-artwork: does this need more input from me? We are moving one high viz theme in here and leaving the rest in accessibility-themes. seb128, dholbach?
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42308 in gok "On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42308
[04:17] <heno>  * website: I'm giving the front page a bit of a face-lift for the dapper release. I also expect a number random updates just before the release as usual.
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45413 in gnopernicus "Fails to start automatically on Live CD 20060518 " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45413
[04:17] <Kamion> yes, StaffCalendar says Kinnison is away this week moving, but will be back next week
[04:18] <Mithrandir> heno: I got a minor update for casper from Luke, do you have more stuff you need in to fix gok/gnopernicus or don't you know yet?
[04:18] <Kamion> heno: are we at a reasonable stopping point accessibility-wise? I know I haven't had much time to work on ubiquity accessibility]
[04:18] <heno> Mithrandir: it looks like that update might have broken the magnifier launch
[04:18] <Riddell> heno: I'll probably update the kubuntu.org page with dapper artwork at some point, can you do the wiki.k.o template?
[04:19] <Mithrandir> heno: that update is sitting on my hard drive, so I doubt it.
[04:19] <heno> Kamion: yes, over all it's looking very good
[04:19] <heno> a few more fixes would be good
[04:19] <heno> but I'm very pleased overall
[04:19] <heno> Riddell: can do
[04:20] <heno> Mithrandir: oic, something has broken it though
[04:20] <heno> Mithrandir: anyway, I'll test again after your update
[04:20] <Mithrandir> heno: it just changes fonts, so just test as soon as you have time.
[04:21] <heno> Mithrandir: ok, that one. cool
[04:21] <heno> k, I'm done
[04:21] <mdz> thanks heno
[04:21] <mdz> infinity?
[04:22] <infinity> last week: Other than a hard drive crash and recovery, there was lots and lots of bugfixing in initramfs-tools, thunderbird, and other random packages that got in my way during the week.  Also, spent some time looking into the OOo build failures, but am still currently stumped (and haven't had the time to get un-stumped)
[04:22] <infinity> next week: Preparing for RC, doing as many release critical bugfixes as I can manage, and making sure soyuz runs as smoothly as possible while we head into the final stretch.
[04:22] <mdz> infinity: I'm behind on mail and upgrades; did the initramfs-tools ENOSPC bug get fixed?
[04:22] <infinity> mdz: Did you get anywhere with OOo?
[04:22] <mdz> I did not, no
[04:22] <infinity> mdz: The ENOSPC one is the only Major bug unfixed.  I spent a fair chunk of today looking into it, and it'll be a 2 or 3 line fix that I can make first thing Monday morning, if that's cool.
[04:23] <infinity> mdz: Just wanted to map it out and make sure I wasn't insane before I made the "obvious" fix and it turned out not to be.
[04:23] <mdz> infinity: I don't think an update on Monday would be a very good idea
[04:23] <mdz> though maybe if I saw the patch?
[04:23] <infinity> Well, I can do it tomorrow and owe you a drink.   Whatever suits.
[04:24] <mdz> send it to me and I will do it tomorrow if it feels safe
[04:24] <infinity> I'll pass you a patch tomorrow (it's too late now to be writing it in the first place)
[04:24] <mdz> oh, we don't have a patch yet
[04:24] <infinity> No, just the "this is how it should work" in my head, and the fact that it's simple.
[04:25] <infinity> I could give you an instructional patch, and you could code it pretty much identically to how I would.
[04:25] <infinity> So, yeah.  No worries.  I'll mail you in the morning.
[04:25] <infinity> I have nothing else to do before tomorrow evening anyway.
[04:25] <infinity> We'll work out who owes who a drink and why later.
[04:25] <mdz> if we don't even have a patch, then it ought to wait until after release
[04:26] <infinity> It's the least evil of all the bugs, since it's one that will bite the user in other ways anyway.  But I still want it fixed.
[04:26] <infinity> Anyhow, we can continue this out of band, I don't want to hold up the meeting.
[04:26] <mdz> it's hopefully unlikely to affect the install
[04:26] <mdz> right
[04:26] <mdz> infinity: thanks
[04:26] <mdz> iwj: next?
[04:27] <iwj> Last week: bugs, firefox, firefox themes, firefox startpage translation, etc.
[04:28] <iwj> Next week: testing and any panics that turn up.  Only 22 ff bugmails unread atm.
[04:28] <iwj> Stuff to discuss:
[04:28] <iwj> Bugs: I was expecting a mail or ping from sfllaw about helping with bug triage (he was going to set up a wiki page for the untriaged worrysome ones).
[04:28] <iwj> gdebi .deb installer: I think this should be disabled for ordinery `open' in firefox and on the desktop.  Users who need to do this ought to be familiar with the command line.  But there is some disagreement (Malone 41993).  Same question for Wine (Malone 24829).
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41993 in firefox "possible "malware" entry way?Firefox provides acess to open .deb files directly with gdebi" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41993
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24829 in firefox "Firefox proposes to open .exe files with Wine" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/24829
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox known must fix issues: Malone 44062 (cookies on .co.uk), Malone 40067 (ppc), Malone 44487 (file clashes)
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44062 in firefox "Firefox allows cookies to be set for second-level domain hierarchies" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44062
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40067 in firefox "firefox freezes after a few secs on ppc" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40067
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox themes: Frank Schoep says his ff themes package's Human is still missing a few icons.  sabdfl was keen to have Human as the default.  It all seems a bit confused and I'm sure it's about to be frantic ...
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44487 in firefox "upgrade to firefox 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 fails" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44487
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox: any thing else that really needs to be fixed, be sure to talk to me and get an ack, or it might fall through the cracks.
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox ppc problem (Malone 40067): I'm a bit stuck here, not having a PPC machine to test with ...
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40067 in firefox "firefox freezes after a few secs on ppc" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40067
[04:28] <iwj> (Sorry about the delay, my new client's paste trip fooled me.)
[04:28] <mdz> iwj: sfllaw is on holiday this week
[04:28] <iwj> Oh.
[04:28] <mdz> but expect to hear from him soon regarding the RC test procedures
[04:28] <iwj> Right.
[04:29] <mdz> you should all have received an email about the hardware survey from him
[04:29] <JaneW> yes
[04:29] <pitti> iwj: I can help you with testing ppc stuff
[04:29] <iwj> pitti: Thanks.
[04:29] <iwj> We can talk offline.
[04:29] <pitti> iwj: (although it runs just fine for me on iBook)
[04:29] <iwj> I'd like decisions about the mime config for *.deb and *.exe.
[04:29] <iwj> pitti: Oh :-/.
[04:30] <iwj> And also some idea of what's happening about these themes.
[04:30] <Kamion> I'm not sure I'm up to making a decision on the firefox themes thing
[04:30] <Kamion> was hoping mdz had more of the sabdfl-related background there
[04:30] <mdz> if the theme isn't ready, we shouldn't push it
[04:30] <mdz> iwj: can it be made available but not the default?
[04:30] <iwj> mdz: OK.  So I'll make it the default iff Frank says to do so ?
[04:30] <iwj> Yes.
[04:30] <mdz> then let's do that
[04:30] <iwj> I was definitely going to do that with your permission.
[04:31] <mdz> the sab may step in and change his mind on that, but let's leave it alone otherwise
[04:31] <iwj> Changing the default is a new firefox and thus has a nontrivial lead time.
[04:31] <iwj> (Not in effort, but the computers have to whirr lots.)
[04:31] <mdz> I'll follow up on the email thread on that
[04:31] <iwj> Right, thanks.
[04:31] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[04:31] <mdz> Kamion: next?
[04:31] <iwj> So, *.deb and *.exe.  ATM the former runs gdebi if you click on it (web page or desktop) and the latter runs wine.
[04:31] <mdz> er
[04:32] <mdz> JaneW: next?
[04:32] <iwj> I want to disable both of these.
[04:32] <JaneW> This week:
[04:32] <JaneW> * Ubuntu Dev Team Meeting report.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Lots and lots of Google SoC admin and co-ords - please finalise the app selections. Google to allocate project numbers later today. Projects to be granted on Monday.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Lots and lots of Paris Ubuntu dev Summit planning, sending out invites, responding to enquirieds and coordinating incoming info.
[04:32] <JaneW> * tested shipit and placed orders for Dapper.
[04:32] <JaneW> *Edubuntu meeting, final requirements for Dapper, new site launched and wiki cleanups in progress.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Discussions with management etc.
[04:32] <mdz> last week's report has an unfortunate page break ;-)
[04:32] <JaneW> Next week:
[04:32] <JaneW> * Finalise SoC project selections. Students to be notified, and welcomed and settled with their mentors.
[04:32] <JaneW> * More UDS planning - should be able to hand this to clan from next week.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Get edubuntu wiki cleanups finished.
[04:32] <JaneW> Needed: guys to finsihs SoC rankings, and start on edgy specs (as they can)
[04:32] <mvo> iwj: I think that is not too bad, what about changing it to "save" by default for gdebi but leave gdebi as defaultopen action?
[04:32] <mdz> eek, that's soon
[04:32] <JaneW> and send Paris confirmation so we can aranage that properly
[04:33] <mdz> I'll need to look over the projects tomorrow or over the weekend
[04:33] <iwj> mvo: I'm not sure I know how to do that.
[04:33] <mvo> iwj: lets talk about it after the meeting
[04:33] <JaneW> mdz: yes time sucks a lot, sorry
[04:33] <JaneW> time=timing
[04:33] <mdz> does everyone have their travel arrangements for Paris in the wiki now?
[04:33] <iwj> mvo: Err, OK.  I was hoping (since everyone tends to have an opinion about this) to have a decision from this meeting.
[04:33] <Kamion> oh, damn, I don't yet, but it's just a train booking
[04:33] <JaneW> mdz: now only 3 or 4
[04:33] <Kamion> I'll deal with it tomorrow
[04:34] <ogra> me too
[04:34] <mdz> ok, please do so
[04:34] <mdz> JaneW: is it a problem to wait until after the release to gather the list of edgy specs?
[04:34] <mdz> that's my preferred timeline
[04:35] <seb128> mdz: not yet, but I plan to take the train so no hurry ... will update it anyway ;)
[04:35] <mdz> we'll all be far too busy
[04:35] <JaneW> mdz: yes, sabdfl wanted them before Paris, but between release and Paris should be good
[04:35] <Riddell> JaneW: are you going to assign mentors to all the projects?
[04:35] <mdz> right
[04:35] <JaneW> Riddell: yes, but prefereably as selected by the mentors themselves
[04:35] <pitti> I rated all the projects and picked one I would mentor - is that good enough for now, or are there more things to be done?
[04:35] <mdz> JaneW: what's the deadline for assigning mentors?
[04:36] <JaneW> we asked for 25 SoC projects, we'll likely get 15-20
[04:36] <iwj> gdebi> I must be wrong about everyone having an opinion.  I'll talk to mvo about it in #ubuntu-devel after this meeting.
[04:36] <JaneW> Goodle will decide project counts today or tomororw and deadline for project mentor /allocations is Monday
[04:36] <ajmitch> JaneW: are you getting all SoC projects written up as edgy specs by the students?
[04:36] <Keybuk> heh, Goodle
[04:37] <mdz> JaneW: hmm, so we need to assign mentors before we know how many projects we have?
[04:37] <JaneW> ajmitch: yes, no, maybe, TBD ;)
[04:37] <ajmitch> heh
[04:37] <mdz> (and therefore which ones)
[04:37] <JaneW> mdz: not entirely, but they are allocating the counts absed on how organised the orgs are, so we can change it over the week-end, but we need to have selected our top projects at least asap
[04:38] <JaneW> and then at least made an attemot to match mentors to them
[04:38] <mdz> JaneW: how many of our top projects have no mentors yet?
[04:39] <mdz> (many or few?)
[04:39] <JaneW> well all top projects have a mentor name who said 'I would mentor this'
[04:39] <JaneW> that's how they got to the top
[04:39] <JaneW> at least half are assigned I think
[04:39] <seb128> JaneW: they are not "top scores" though, are they?
[04:40] <JaneW> by selecting 'I would mentor this' that app gets sent to the top purple section in numerical score order (and 4 points are added to score)
[04:40] <mdz> (FYI: I am on the pavement outside the conference area to get wireless and have only 38 minutes of battery)
[04:40] <Kamion> shall we keep moving, then?
[04:40] <JaneW> ok lets move on
[04:40] <JaneW> mail or ping me with these q's
[04:40] <mdz> yes
[04:40] <Kamion> ubiquity: Nearly there. Last changes needed: better handling of install.py crashes / close button, support for ship-live, probably one or two other bits and pieces. I've added basic noninteractive UTC/local hardware clock configuration but unfortunately I think it's too late for new UI for this.
[04:41] <Kamion> misc: Fixed DVD images, I believe. Have been hoovering up miscellaneous bugs elsewhere. The last two I urgently want to deal with is to try to fix automounting when using the auto-resizer, which has been a persistent source of bugs since Breezy; and, if I get good feedback, possibly reverting yaboot to gcc-3.3. Also CD renaming, ship-live (current size increase would be ~27MB, may be able to trim that).
[04:41] <Kamion> anyone have opinions about ship-live (i.e. archive that goes on live CDs that people can use without having to have network access)?
[04:41] <Kamion> at the moment I have build-essential and kernel headers and stuff, plus the hardware and network access section from ship
[04:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: can you use your unholy bandwidth for DVD testing today?
[04:42] <Kamion> nvidia-glx is rather fat and I should probably drop it
[04:42] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, that should work.
[04:42] <Kamion> saving ~4MB
[04:42] <mvo> mdz: I can test the i386 one too
[04:42] <mdz> Kamion: what's our default for UTC/local?  same as before?
[04:42] <Kamion> mdz: local if you have Windows installed, UTC if not or if we can't tell
[04:43] <mdz> right
[04:43] <mdz> unfortunately that's rather tricky to change after installation; I didn't even notice it was missing from the UI until you mentioned it
[04:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: I think it's feasible to install from the network?
[04:43] <mdz> yes, should be
[04:44] <Kamion> mdz: it *can* be added to the timezone page, it's just a little hairy and seems rather late
[04:44] <mdz> I'm pretty torn about ship-live
[04:44] <mdz> it's not very feasible for most folks to install things as huge as build-essential+linux-headers in the live environment anyway
[04:44] <Kamion> it's not intended for installation in the live environment
[04:44] <mdz> Kamion: it's a confusing question anyway
[04:44] <Kamion> the intention is for ubiquity to set it up as an apt source for after installation
[04:45] <mdz> did we get langpacks for the live seed sorted out?
[04:45] <Kamion> mdz: agreed, although given the clock being shown in ubiquity it's less confusing that it would otherwise be
[04:45] <Mithrandir> Kamion: just put it into /var/cache/apt/archives on the cd?
[04:45] <Kamion> but my inclination is to defer to edgy
[04:45] <pitti> mdz: I mailed you back, I'd like to do that after the next set of langpacks on monday
[04:45] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I think we discussed that before, I'm not fond of that approach
[04:45] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:46] <mdz> pitti: monday will have a tight schedule, I expect
[04:46] <mdz> since we want to do a full test cycle
[04:46] <Kamion> (for reasons I remember articulating but am a bit too broken to articulate now ...)
[04:46] <pitti> mdz: I didn't get a new tarball in the last two days; if today's works, we can also use them
[04:46] <Kamion> mdz: I've been deferring langpacks until after sorting out ship-live, anyway
[04:46] <Kamion> how about I ditch build-essential+linux-headers from ship-live and keep the network access stuff
[04:46] <pitti> Kamion++
[04:46] <Kamion> that should bring it down to a less controversial size
[04:47] <mdz> Kamion: I'm less concerned about size than adding new features
[04:47] <zakame> hi all
[04:47] <Kamion> mdz: I'm mostly worried that it was one of the biggest negative review points about the beta
[04:48] <Kamion> and I think it will affect a lot of shipit users
[04:48] <Kamion> I agree it's late in the day
[04:48] <mdz> having it on the CD will allow for a documented procedure
[04:49] <mdz> without having to change ubiquity to tie it in automagically
[04:49] <mdz> users generally need instructions for how to get this stuff going anyway; they don't know the names of the packages they need to build a kernel module etc.
[04:49] <mdz> but we're very short on time (and me on battery)
[04:49] <Kamion> for the record it's a one-line change, but fair enough :)
[04:49] <mdz> Kamion: will try to call after the meeting
[04:49] <Kamion> ok
[04:50] <mdz> Kamion: mail me a diff then
[04:50] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[04:50] <mdz> Keybuk: next?
[04:50] <Keybuk> Nothing uniquely interesting to report this week; many bugs fixed.
[04:50] <Keybuk> I can do custom Malone reports like http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/reports/ on request now.
[04:50] <Keybuk> #
[04:50] <mdz> Keybuk: interface renaming sorted once and for all?
[04:50] <Keybuk> I don't think interface renaming will ever be sorted :)
[04:50] <mdz> is the archive admin request backlog cleared now?
[04:50] <mdz> how does anastacia look?
[04:51] <Keybuk> had to abandon the iftab upgrade stuff, it broke more than it fixed
[04:51] <infinity> nearly empty.
[04:51] <Kamion> anastacia is a thing of beauty
[04:51] <Keybuk> I had an FTP blitz today, backlog is gone
[04:51] <infinity> Scott attacked her with great vigor.
[04:51] <ogra> Keybuk deserves a goldstar for anastacia :)
[04:51] <mdz> fabulous
[04:51] <mdz> Keybuk: thanks
[04:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: next?
[04:51] <Mithrandir> misc: casper hacking, xkeyboard-config updates, oem-config cleanups, popcon.ubuntu.com updates
[04:51] <Keybuk> the only two things there are xubuntu things that scare pitti
[04:51] <Mithrandir> next week: release preparations, testing
[04:51] <Mithrandir> blocked: no
[04:52] <mdz> is oem-config functional again now?
[04:52] <Mithrandir> mdz: worked for me.  It's a bit warty, but it works.
[04:52] <Kamion> Mithrandir: did you manage to nail the bug where oem-config's locale screen is wrong first time round?
[04:52] <Kamion> or was that one of the ones that had gone away by itself?
[04:52] <Mithrandir> Kamion: no, it's still there and I need to track it down.
[04:52] <Mithrandir> sorry. :-(
[04:52] <Kamion> ok
[04:53] <mdz> ok
[04:53] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:53] <mdz> mvo: next?
[04:53] <mvo> Did:
[04:53] <mvo> - lots of bug triage/fixing
[04:53] <mvo> - 3rd party packages work
[04:53] <mvo> - some work on the ppc chroot on dholbachs machine
[04:53] <mvo> - helped dholbach with the icons a bit
[04:53] <mvo> - Goggle SoC review
[04:53] <mvo> - Dist-upgrade tool work (improved free space checking, auto-detect/show installed demotions from main->universe, progress reporting, fixes)
[04:53] <mvo> Will do:
[04:53] <mvo> - testing/fixing RC bugs
[04:53] <mvo> - make the ppc upgrade tester run automatically (need manual start right now)
[04:53] <mdz> mvo: anything in the commercial repository?
[04:53] <mvo> - improve to the auto-dist-upgrade testing script (add a "install-radom-but-not-yet-tested bunch of packages" and try to dist-upgrade them)
[04:54] <Kamion> oh, sorry mvo, I never did get a chance to look at your ubiquity auto-upgrade code
[04:54] <mvo> mdz: not yet unfortunately :(
[04:54] <Kamion> I think it might be too late now :-(
[04:54] <mvo> mdz: but we are getting there I hope
[04:54] <Kamion> unless mdz says doit
[04:54] <mdz> mvo: upgrade tool finalized for release now?
[04:54] <mvo> Kamion: yeah, I added it late unfortnately
[04:54] <mdz> Kamion: I said dontdoit
[04:54] <Kamion> all right
[04:54] <mvo> mdz: I think so, unless something new comes up of course (major problem etc)
[04:55] <mvo> but still little feedback recently
[04:55] <mvo> for the tool
[04:55] <mdz> ok
[04:55] <mdz> mvo: thanks
[04:55] <mdz> ogra: next?
[04:55] <ogra> * general: triage/fix RC bugs, final polish (artwork/docs) for edubuntu CDs, solved final size problems with amd64
[04:55] <ogra> g
[04:55] <ogra> * still fighting with RUNNING_UNDER_GDM in gnome-screensaver
[04:55] <ogra> * next-week: RC testing, fix bugs where allowed
[04:55] <mdz> mvo: please ask elmo for download stats to see whether it's being used any more than before
[04:56] <mvo> mdz: will do, thanks
[04:56] <mdz> ogra: so all edubuntu CDs are properly sized now?
[04:56] <ogra> mdz, next build will be
[04:56] <mdz> ok
[04:56] <ogra> i didnt want to extra trigger a build now ...
[04:56] <mdz> RUNNING_UNDER_GDM is not the end of the world, but it is a regression and we can't fix it post-release :-/
[04:56] <ogra> yes
[04:57] <mdz> do you need help with it?
[04:57] <ogra> i'm still digging
[04:57] <mdz> please get a second pair of eyes on it
[04:57] <mdz> Keybuk: can you lend a hand?
[04:57] <ogra> ok
[04:57] <Keybuk> mdz: next week?
[04:58] <mdz> Keybuk: after the meeting?
[04:58] <mdz> gar
[04:58] <ogra> as i did ...
[04:58] <Keybuk> I blame infinity, he started it
[04:58] <ogra> nah, that was a usplash issue
[04:58] <ogra> not his fault
[04:58] <mdz> ok, I have 20 minute sbattery
[04:58] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[04:58] <mdz> pitti: next?
[04:59] <pitti> reducing-duplication: no progress since last week, and we should leave this alone for dapper now; the current state is very good already
[04:59] <pitti> firewall: no answer from Carsten yet, I pinged him again today
[04:59] <pitti> done last week:
[04:59] <pitti>  * security: MySQL, Quagga
[04:59] <pitti>  * mostly killed my list of 24 dapper-targeted bugs: fixed 23, one wishlist/needinfo bug is left
[04:59] <pitti>  * lots of important printing bug fixes; if you still have annoying printer failures, speak now or never! :)
[04:59] <pitti>  * bug triage status: fully caught up with my bug mbox; no showstopper bugs in my +{assigned,package}bugs list any more; still need to go over the printing bugs once more
[04:59] <pitti>  * set up fully automatic daily language pack building (apt'able, great feedback from translators and testers)
[04:59] <pitti>  * SoC applications review and ranking
[04:59] <pitti> plan for next week:
[04:59] <pitti>  * tbird <IP_ADDRESS> will make it into dapper today, update m-tbird-locale-all for it (planned for the evening today)
[04:59] <pitti>  * upload new langpacks, fill CDs with langpacks (coordinate with Kamion)
[04:59] <pitti>  * the usual CD testing and major bug fixing rave
[05:00] <mdz> pitti: any feedback on the printing situation?
[05:00] <mdz> a bit late for a call for testing unfortunately
[05:00] <pitti> mdz: yes, a lot of happy users answering in the bug reports :)
[05:00] <mdz> good
[05:00] <mdz> not an unreasonable thing to fix post-release if necessary
[05:00] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[05:00] <mdz> Riddell: next?
[05:00] <Riddell> done: kubuntu-docs i18n, rosetta support fixes, cups 1.2 checking, trying to get floppy support working, map on kde ubiquity
[05:00] <Riddell> also: new amarok and koffice releases
[05:00] <Riddell> next week: bug triage and fixing, make sure all language-pack-kde-base-xx packages have the needed files
[05:01] <bddebian> amarok.. eeks
[05:01] <Riddell> bddebian: amarok 1.4 isn't getting near dapper
[05:01] <mdz> Riddell: new amarok and koffice?
[05:02] <Riddell> mdz: I made dapper packages, as I say amarok 1.4 isn't getting in dapper.  koffice 1.5.1 I may ask for UVF exception, I think they want to release it today
[05:03] <mdz> Riddell: I'm not likely to approve new upstream versions today unless the diff is eyeballable
[05:03] <mdz> we're at the 11th hour
[05:03] <Riddell> that won't be the case, I'm fine with not getting a UVF exception
[05:03] <mdz> ok; if it proves solid it can go into -updates
[05:04] <mdz> but let's not risk it for RC/final
[05:04] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[05:04] <mdz> seb128: next?
[05:04] <seb128> This week:
[05:04] <seb128> - lot of bugs triaged and fixed
[05:04] <seb128> - some GNOME updates and bunch of patches from CVS backported
[05:04] <seb128> - panel changes to the help submenu
[05:04] <seb128> - made epiphany changes to use a localized startup page
[05:04] <seb128> - tried different daily liveCDs
[05:04] <seb128> - registred for GUADEC
[05:04] <seb128> - reviewed google SoC projects list
[05:04] <seb128> .
[05:04] <seb128> Next week:
[05:04] <seb128> - looking to french translations
[05:04] <seb128> - trying CD images
[05:04] <seb128> - fixing bugs for dapper
[05:05] <seb128> mdz: speaking about new version, did you read my mail about new intltool?
[05:05] <mdz> seb128: I saw it in my box this morning but have not read it
[05:05] <mdz> seb128: if I don't get to it, defer to Kamion
[05:05] <seb128> k
[05:06] <mdz> seb128: panel changes are final now, yes?
[05:06] <seb128> If I have to upload it tomorrow, I'll not pay you a drink for it :p
[05:06] <seb128> mdz: yep, only the book item destination to change
[05:07] <mdz> we still don't have the book content?  when will it arrive?
[05:07] <seb128> no idea
[05:07] <seb128> who knows about it?
[05:07] <dholbach> silbs should, no?
[05:07] <seb128> who is supposed to package that?
[05:07] <mdz> seb128: can you point the menu at a nonexistent file where we will put the book, instead of the firefox page?
[05:07] <mdz> seb128: so we don't have to change it later?
[05:07] <seb128> mdz: I tried to get that location but you were not around and mdke didn't know
[05:08] <seb128> should I fix a placeholder myself? or is there somebody to ping about it?
[05:08] <mdz> seb128: please mail silbs and explain that we need the book content *immediately*
[05:08] <seb128> ok
[05:09] <mdz> in which package should we put the book content?
[05:09] <mdz> example-content?
[05:09] <mdz> ubuntu-docs?
[05:09] <Kamion> remind me, isn't the book content to be unpacked onto the CD somewhere as well?
[05:09] <seb128> ubuntu-docs I think
[05:09] <mdz> 9 minutes battery remaining
[05:09] <Kamion> or do I misremember?
[05:09] <seb128> or new package...
[05:09] <Riddell> if it's ubuntu-docs it needs to be in kubuntu-docs too
[05:09] <mdz> but the room is open now and I can move inside soon
[05:09] <sladen> does it not deserve its own package if it's fairly large?
[05:09] <mdz> Kamion: I don't remember that; it's too late for that sort of thing
[05:09] <mdz> sladen: likewsie
[05:09] <Kamion> mdz: good
[05:09] <jjesse> isn't ubuntu-docs only supposed to be the docs written by the docteam?
[05:10] <mdz> jjesse: hmm, the package description does say that
[05:10] <sivang> the book is written by some of the docteam people no?
[05:10] <seb128> Kamion: what do you mean by "unpacked onto the CD"?
[05:10] <jjesse> also just speaking of the kubuntu chapter, the html content isn't ready yet
[05:10] <Kamion> seb128: never mind
[05:10] <seb128> alright
[05:11] <heno> i'm happy to put it in example-content
[05:11] <seb128> as far as the destination pointed by the menu item is available I don't care ;)
[05:11] <heno> (when we get acopy)
[05:11] <jjesse> sivang: yes some of the stuff is being written by members of the doc team
[05:12] <mdz> I have power now
[05:12] <heno> seb128: I can make a dummy file now that you can point to
[05:12] <mdz> heno: I'm fine with example-content as well, but we need the content
[05:12] <sivang> heh
[05:12] <mdz> I'll call silbs after the meeting
[05:12] <seb128> heno: the issue is not to have a real file or not, it's just to not the filename to use
[05:13] <silbs> hey, quit talking about me!
[05:13] <seb128> s/not/know
[05:13] <seb128> silbs: right, we need you ;)
[05:13] <mdz> silbs: do you have the book content in hand?
[05:13] <heno> seb128: right, so I can make a file which will act as the TOC for the chapters we include
[05:14] <silbs> mdz: nope.  I told you in email on 5 May that it wouldn't be available till 23 May. I can check and get an update on that, but I don't have content now
[05:14] <heno> silbs: but we have a rough idea of the form it wil take right?
[05:14] <silbs> heno: we have sizes and we know it is html
[05:14] <heno> silbs: a collectiojn of HTML and images
[05:15] <heno> right
[05:15] <heno> that should be ok
[05:15] <silbs> heno: yes. I need to look up size but we have that
[05:15] <heno> I'll make a dir call book
[05:15] <mdz> O(megabytes)
[05:15] <heno> and a dummy html file next to it
[05:15] <mdz> heno: thanks, coordinate with seb128 to get the panel changed
[05:16] <heno> mdz: ok
[05:16] <silbs> Desktop chapters - 2.9MB each, Support chapter - around 2.3MB
[05:16] <dholbach> heno: poke me for the upload - we can get the others typos etc fixed with that.
[05:16] <heno> dholbach: yep
[05:16] <mdz> ok
[05:16] <mdz> so here's my list of disasters for next week:
[05:16] <mdz> - ooo build failure
[05:16] <mdz> - book excerpt
[05:16] <mdz> - gnome-screensaver RUNNING_UNDER_GDM
[05:17] <Keybuk> mdz: that last one's fixed
[05:17] <mdz> Keybuk: sweet
[05:17] <Riddell> heno: poke me too when uploaded, I'll see if I can add it to khelpcentre
[05:17] <mdz> what else am I missing?
[05:17] <Keybuk> helps if RUNNING_UNDER_GDM is in the allowed_env_vars[]  list :p
[05:17] <heno> Riddell: ok
[05:17] <mdz> oh, and
[05:17] <mdz> - sounds
[05:17] <mdz> - artwork
[05:17] <mdz> (esp. icons)
[05:18] <Kamion> kubuntu language packs are apparently not being installed by ubiquity at the moment; that's on my list for this afternoon
[05:18] <Kamion> ^Wevening
[05:18] <mdz> eek
[05:18] <Mithrandir> ^Wnight^Wlate night ?
[05:18] <Kamion> but I expect to be done with that by today
[05:18] <mdz> is that a recent regression, or nobody noticed in the past few months?
[05:18] <Kamion> people noticed but nobody shouted loud enough to get it to the top of my list
[05:19] <Kamion> which, as you may have noticed, has been a bit long lately
[05:19] <Kamion> anyway, I expect it's trivial, the infrastructure is all there for it
[05:20] <mdz> ok
[05:20] <mdz> anything else?
[05:21] <Kamion> sounds like we're done
[05:21] <pitti> happy free day tomorrow! :)
[05:22] <seb128> happy free day ;)
[05:22] <mdz> indeed, rest up and try not to think about ubuntu for a few days ;-)
[05:22] <Keybuk> I'm going to switch all of my computers off for the weekend
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> (days are always free of course; hackers only work at night)
[05:22] <Keybuk> well, probably not the mail server ;)
[05:22] <mdz> if you think of any other disasters, please mail me
[05:22] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[05:22] <Keybuk> mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/notforwarded.html btw
[05:22] <JaneW> thanks
[05:22] <pitti> thanks, folks
[05:23] <mvo> thanks
[05:23] <Keybuk> mdz: uh, http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/reports/notforwarded.html
[05:23] <pitti> I don't want either, but I have to :/
[05:23] <Mithrandir> ok, then I'm off. I'm starving.
[05:24] <jbailey> Keybuk: Interesting report.
[05:25] <pitti> bye


[07:15] <ara> morning!
[07:16] <Claudinux> morning ara :-)
[07:36] <ara> good morning Claudinux
[07:55] <sulumar> does the ubuntu irc server accept SSL connections
[14:52] <jibel> pedro_, Thanks for gnome_appearance_properties! thats great. I'll review it today.
[15:00] <pedro_> jibel, you're welcome! thanks for checking
[15:00] <pedro_> jibel, i might have one for gnome-about-me today too
[15:00] <pedro_> btw is there any way to catch the icon area with ldtp ?
[15:01] <jibel> pedro_, awesome. What do you mean 'Icon area' ?
[15:01] <pedro_> i'm thinking on the appearance properties, there's an icon area where the theme is draw
[15:01] <pedro_> same for the wallpapers tab
[15:02] <jibel> pedro_, isn't it buttons ? Let me test.
[15:02] <jibel> pedro_, you sometimes need to regenerate the map file with ldpt.remap() when the screens are dynamic.
[15:02] <pedro_> IIRC it was an icon area
[15:02]  * pedro_ checking the code
[15:12] <jibel> pedro_, each wallpaper is an icon but I fail to find a way to activate them.
[15:13] <pedro_> ah it's a GtkIconView
[15:14] <pedro_> nagappan, hello! do you know if ldtp support the GtkIconView kind of widget?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> fader_: you ever get persistent mode fixed or is bug 650570 still valid?
[15:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650570 in sudo (Ubuntu) "sudo does not work in live image in persistent mode (affects: 1) (heat: 60)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650570
[15:17] <fader_> charlie-tca: Hmm, I haven't attempted to reproduce it lately.  I'll give it a shot on the natty images at alpha testing time though :)
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, will leave the bug open then
[15:21] <fader_> charlie-tca: IIRC nobody else could reproduce the issue, so it might just have been something wonky in my virtualbox install
[15:22] <charlie-tca> correct. But we never decided one way or the other. the bug is still sitting waiting for verification


[08:17] <didrocks> JohnLea: hey, how are you?
[08:31] <JohnLea> ddrocks; morning!
[08:35] <AlanBell> morning, anyone know when the unity menus and dash will start saying sensible stuff to orca users?
[08:36] <AlanBell> tedg had some changes to stop everything being a check item, but I don't think they have landed yet
[08:37] <AlanBell> right now the only stuff that gets read out is the keyboard shortcuts, the HUD is basically completely broken, dash is somewhat working
[08:38] <AlanBell> and is there some way we can stop massive regressions like this from happening?
[08:40] <AlanBell> the theory was with unity as an upstream that things wouldn't land until they actually work and pass some basic tests, how can we get a basic sanity check with orca into that test suite?
[08:43] <didrocks> JohnLea: hey, spell my name to hilight me :)
[08:43] <didrocks> JohnLea: small question on quicklist
[08:44] <didrocks> JohnLea: should the static quicklist be capitalized as: "New Document" or "New document" ?
[08:58] <Saviq> didrocks, hey, so... desrt says "you can't do that, unless you can whip up dbus", but even then I'd have to have control over the dconf backend's environment to point it to the schemas dir
[08:59] <didrocks> Saviq: hey, hum, this gsettings thing is really annoying for testing :/
[08:59] <didrocks> I wonder if we need to think a better way or just workarounding it
[08:59] <Saviq> didrocks, so yeah, it could be doable with the memory backend, but QConf doesn't do that yet
[09:00] <didrocks> right
[09:02] <Saviq> didrocks, an interim solution would be to add unity-common to Build-Dep
[09:02] <Saviq> (at least for unity-2d)
[09:02] <Saviq> didrocks, but I really hope we can get a X-Test-Dep
[09:02] <didrocks> Saviq: well, not build-dep, but in the merger env
[09:02] <Saviq> didrocks, if you can do that, yes
[09:03] <Saviq> but that would be very unity-2d-specific, not sure if you want that
[09:03] <Saviq> not sure you'd want a "fake" build-dep either
[09:04] <didrocks> Saviq: I certainly don't want to add unity-common in build-dep
[09:04] <didrocks> Saviq: that will make every build on official repository taking it
[09:04] <Saviq> didrocks, right
[09:04] <didrocks> andd will make it hard with arch skew
[09:04] <didrocks> so, I hate adding it to the merger env for unity-2d
[09:04] <didrocks> but I don't see a better solution for now :/
[09:05] <Saviq> didrocks, where do you think we could start a discussion about a (X-)Test-Dep for debian/control?
[09:06] <Saviq> do you at all think that could be a solution
[09:06] <Saviq> ?
[09:07] <didrocks> Saviq: ubuntu-devel I would say
[09:07] <didrocks> (ML)
[09:07] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, I added the conditional dep for the merger
[09:07] <didrocks> Saviq: need to confirm it works of course, but it should be fine :)
[09:08] <Saviq> didrocks, can I try locally? what's the diff to the unity-merger branch?
[09:08] <JohnLea> didrocks: "New document"  We don't want to capitalise every word just for the sake of it
[09:09] <didrocks> Saviq: easy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871181/
[09:09] <didrocks> JohnLea: ok, so you need to change the LauncherAPI page :)
[09:09] <JohnLea> didrocks; url?
[09:09] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI
[09:32] <angeloc> mhr3: done! this time I think that will be ok!
[09:33] <jalcine> https://launchpad.net/speechcontrol + unity = \o/
[09:43] <Sweetshark> hi, there! please have a look at bug 945317. its a unity-2d only issue, so very likely a unity-2d fault.
[09:43] <Sweetshark> thx
[09:44] <Saviq> gord, hey, any idea about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/871210/ ?
[09:45] <Saviq> gord, we suddenly got that while building unity-2d (some new release must've flown down)
[09:49] <gord> Saviq, yeah, that is me being silly, got too used to writing C++ code and not enough C ;) - give me two minutes
[09:49] <Saviq> gord, cheers
[09:51] <gord> mhr3, now TestGDBusPorxy is timing out on my system, i guess its time I greped all the tests for _add_seconds ;)
[09:53] <gord> Saviq, if you want to give a quick review to unblock that https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/hud-include-correct-glib/+merge/96083
[09:55] <Saviq> gord, checking, unity is still under freeze, though, right? do we want to UNBLOCK that?
[09:56] <gord> oh yeah right, sure
[09:56] <gord> done
[10:10] <Saviq> gord, approved, but I can't change the state of the MR
[10:11] <gord> Saviq, yeah thats fine, just wanted to get an approve from you :) thanks
[10:11] <Saviq> gord, cheers and thanks
[10:33]  * AlanBell tests HUD in unity 2d
[10:33] <AlanBell> so you type a string, and there are 5 options below it all called "push button"
[10:34] <AlanBell> not massively useful
[10:36] <AlanBell> gord: y u no expose content of HUD suggestions?
[10:36] <jalcine> What was the string?
[10:36] <gord> AlanBell, oh right, accessibility? geez, hold on let me get right on that
[10:37] <AlanBell> gord: unity 2d, they are all called "push button" and not what they actually say
[10:37] <AlanBell> in 3d I think they are completely silent still
[10:37] <gord> AlanBell, give greyback a poke when he's around
[10:38] <AlanBell> ok
[10:38] <trijntje> Hi all. On a non-english system, will unity still search the english tags in .desktop-files or only look in the translated ones? I need to know if I should duplicate the English tags while translating
[10:39] <gord> mhr3, ^ didn't we have a conversation about this? ;)
[10:41] <mhr3> gord, and not just with you :)
[10:41] <mhr3> trijntje, what do you mean by tags?
[10:42] <mhr3> gord, i did grep all usage of add_seconds in the tests, should be good
[10:43] <trijntje> mhr3: For example Keywords=Code;Editor;Programming;
[10:43] <trijntje> also see http://mhall119.com/2012/02/contributing-to-unity-for-non-developers-keywords/
[10:49] <angeloc> mhr3: done! I think that mountable uri patch should be ready!
[10:49] <mhr3> angeloc, cool, will take a look soon
[10:50] <mhr3> trijntje, only localized version of that will be used
[10:50] <angeloc> mhr3: great!
[10:50] <trijntje> mhr3: thats good to know, thanks.
[10:51] <trijntje> I dont know if this has been discussed already, but wouldn't it be better to also search in the English keywords by default, to improve consistency across languages?
[10:52] <mhr3> it has, and is considered undesired
[10:54] <seb128> trijntje, no it wouldn't be better, especially for people who don't know english and would wonder why that typed match something which has nothing to do with it
[10:54] <seb128> trijntje, just because it matches an english keyword they don't know about and which is showing nowhere in the ui
[10:59] <trijntje> mhr3, seb128: that also makes sense. Good to know it has been considered and rejected
[10:59] <trijntje> thanks for your responses!
[10:59] <seb128> yw
[11:09] <AlanBell> is this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityTests the tests that are done on unity pre-release? or has that been superceded by the stuff balloons is doing with checkbox?
[11:09] <AlanBell> there is no mention of either Onboard or Orca on that page
[11:10] <AlanBell> or compiz enhanced zoom or high contrast themes or any accessibility stuff at all
[11:11] <AlanBell> not even changing the text size
[11:14] <zyga> hi
[11:14] <zyga> I've just reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/947890
[11:14] <zyga> I've included an attachement with a screenshot + magnification of the problem
[11:15] <zyga> could anyone have a look and check if this is GPU/rendering bug, styling bug or an explicit design?
[11:16] <jml> when I search for an app in the dash (e.g. Firefox), it finds it, but I can't seem to activate it
[11:16] <jml> Enter doesn't appear to do anything
[11:17] <jml> neither does clicking on the icon.
[11:20] <gord> zyga, yeah its a known issue with radeon gpu's
[11:20] <Saviq> didrocks, just so you know, until https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/hud-include-correct-glib/+merge/96083 gets merged (and released) unity-2d won't build
[11:20] <zyga> gord: thanks, is there a duplicate to track?
[11:20] <didrocks> Saviq: it's already unblocked
[11:21] <Saviq> didrocks, yes, but not yet approved
[11:21] <didrocks> Saviq: why didn't you approve?
[11:21] <Saviq> didrocks, can't
[11:21] <Saviq> I'm "community" when it comes to Unity
[11:21] <Saviq> didrocks, and then, won't it need to be released for the merger to pick it up anyway?
[11:21] <gord> zyga, not sure off hand, but if your around in three hours or so, you can ask jaytaoko when he arrives - he's been tracking/working on it
[11:22] <zyga> ok, will do
[11:22] <didrocks> Saviq: no, it's UNBLOCKED
[11:22] <zyga> I'm about to report another bug like that
[11:22] <didrocks> and said above, so pass the freeze :)
[11:22] <zyga> for "selectors" (like "all" in the filter pane)
[11:22] <Saviq> didrocks, right Unity 5.6 is still unreleased?
[11:23] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah
[11:23] <Saviq> didrocks, that makes sense
[11:28] <mhr3> angeloc, looking good, could i ask you for one more thing? :)
[11:28] <mhr3> two actually
[11:28] <angeloc> mhr3: sure!
[11:29] <mhr3> angeloc, one is simple - the enum you added should have some "don't know what's this" value - like UrlType.UNKNOWN
[11:29] <mhr3> and if none of the regexes match, you'll return that type
[11:30] <angeloc> mhr3: ok!
[11:31] <zyga> gord: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/947901 this is the other bug, I think they are related once you've mentioned the GPU issue
[11:31] <angeloc> mhr3: right now i'm going to lunch, after that, will implement for sure!
[11:32] <mhr3> angeloc, and two - i find the regex that tries to match web pretty vague - it would be interesting if it matched against list of known top-level domains (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains)
[11:32] <mhr3> angeloc, although the second one should go in a separate branch
[11:33] <mhr3> based on the first one though
[11:34] <angeloc> mhr3: ok, first i'll implement UrlType.UNKNOWN, than I'll do a simple pytgtk program to test regexp versus top level domain, than i'll update you, ok?
[11:35] <angeloc> mhr3: yes, they are pretty vague, but they are the ones I found, so I think they are working!
[11:35] <mhr3> angeloc, yea, it's what we've been using so far, but imo it doesn't work well
[11:36] <angeloc> mh3r: they are not meant to make some sort of url validation, are you asking that?
[11:36] <gord> zyga, yeah its the same issue
[11:36] <mhr3> angeloc, i'm primarily worried about the "[a-zA-Z0-9\\-]+\\...+"
[11:37] <mhr3> angeloc, it matches pretty much any filename like "daemon.vala"
[11:37] <mhr3> but having that list would help us say "oh yea .vala isn't a top-level domain - this is NOT a web url"
[11:38] <angeloc> mhr3: ok, so you are asking for url validation (com, org ...) a more serious regex!
[11:38] <mhr3> right
[11:38] <angeloc> mhr3: i have to file another bug or will update merge proposal page?
[11:39] <mhr3> angeloc, no, separate bug, separate branch pls
[11:39] <angeloc> ok, i open another bug and relative merge proposal!
[11:39] <angeloc> bye, I'm late!
[11:39] <zyga> gord: I've got a third one for you, this one is rather different but perhaps the root issue is the same: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/947904
[11:39] <mhr3> angeloc, cu
[11:39] <zyga> gord: again, look at the screenshot
[11:40] <gord> zyga, nah thats different, MacSlow ^^^ any idea?
[11:41] <zyga> gord: I could switch to fglrx and check if that changes anything
[11:42] <zyga> (also feel free to educate me on the proper names of the widgets/elements I'm referring to (filter pane, music lens date widget, document lens size widget)
[11:52] <MacSlow> zyga, gord: a fix for that in currently in the review-queue...
[11:53] <zyga> MacSlow: thanks
[11:54] <MacSlow> zyga, gord: the distorted textures (buttons) is an odd texture-coordinate issue (probably)... iirc Jay is currently looking into this
[11:54] <gord> MacSlow, yeah already mentioned
[11:55] <MacSlow> zyga, gord: btw http://people.canonical.com/~mmueller/after-927710.png
[11:55] <gord> MacSlow, niiice... but one of your cpu's is being tanked by something!
[11:56] <gord> unless thats memory maybe?
[11:56] <MacSlow> gord, no... I'm compiling (doing tons of reviews again) in the bg
[11:56] <gord> ah :)
[11:57] <MacSlow> gord, no wait... that's memory... cpu is the left most
[12:17] <htetaung> Hello!
[12:18] <htetaung> How can I configure burg-manager
[12:37] <psypher246> hi all, global menus stop working for empathy main window, anyone else have this issue?
[12:38] <psypher246> i have to close empathy and start again to get menus back, and then it only till the next time I minimize empathy
[12:38] <gotwig> Hey there
[12:38] <gotwig> Wanna ask for more customization options for unity , and a category in the software center
[12:38] <gotwig> for unity customization
[12:38] <gotwig> and customization for themes etc.
[12:41] <gotwig> hey
[12:42] <gotwig> so were they any replies to my questions ...?
[12:42] <jalcine> gord: still about?
[12:42] <jalcine> I e-mailed you a while ago about SpeechControl (https://launchpad.net/speechcontrol)
[12:42] <jalcine> i'll ping you later when it has 0.1rc1, but I want to have it add speech recognition for HUD.
[12:50] <gotwig> jalcine: +1 :-)
[12:59] <AlanBell> o/ greyback, can we talk about HUD and orca?
[13:00] <greyback> AlanBell: yes
[13:00] <AlanBell> in unity2d all the suggestions are "push button" and in 3d they are all silent
[13:01] <greyback> AlanBell: oh not good, the string isn't being supplied
[13:01] <AlanBell> indeed, it is kind of useless at the moment :(
[13:03] <greyback> AlanBell: I'll log a bug about it, and I belive the fix is super-easy
[13:03] <AlanBell> great
[13:03] <greyback> AlanBell: thanks for pointing it out. I've not done my Orca test of unity2d yet
[13:03] <AlanBell> can we get orca tests into the test suite?
[13:04] <greyback> AlanBell: it's on my todo list. I truly want to, just need to get all multi-monitor work & tests done
[13:04] <AlanBell> things were supposed to land broadly functional and right now the global menu and hud are totally broken with orca
[13:04] <greyback> Right. Understood
[13:04] <AlanBell> I would like to get this stuff designed in from the start
[13:05] <greyback> Certainly. I admit I dropped the ball on that one.
[13:05] <greyback> Ok, I'll do best to get Orca tests in asap
[13:05] <AlanBell> great
[13:05] <AlanBell> onboard too :)
[13:07] <greyback> Thank you. You already gave me the information on how to do it, so it shouldn't take long
[13:08] <AlanBell> great, thanks
[13:13] <didrocks> AlanBell: you can as well join the testing effort from the ppa and signal it before it lands into precise btw :)
[13:17] <jalcine> :)
[13:17]  * AlanBell installs the PPA again
[13:18] <AlanBell> I did have HUD from the PPA when it was first announced, then the PPA got moved around or something
[13:18] <AlanBell> so HUD is now in ~unity-team/+archive/ppa right?
[13:29] <mhall119> hmmm, after a unity --replace, my dash color is green
[13:29] <mhall119> but my wallpaper is the stock blue-striped Gnome3
[13:29] <mhall119> AlanBell: I thought HUD has officially landed in precise now
[13:30] <AlanBell> yeah, but it is broken
[13:30] <mhall119> ah
[13:31] <gord> mhall119, clear out the bg cache and try it again ~/.cache/unity/bgcachefile
[13:32] <mhall119> thanks gord, I'll gie that a try in a minute
[13:32] <mhall119> didrocks: pitti has approved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/942782, but wants it uploaded, can you do that?
[13:33] <AlanBell> mhall119: nice, I want to try that :)
[13:34] <didrocks> mhall119: sure, will do today
[13:34] <mhall119> AlanBell: coming to a Universe near you ;)
[13:34] <didrocks> mhall119: where is the trunk already, still in singlet?
[13:34] <AlanBell> is there a way to do a lens that needs authentication yet?
[13:36] <mhall119> didrocks: lp:unity-quickly-templates
[13:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: I don't think the unity API provides anything for authentication yet, no
[13:36] <AlanBell> :(
[13:36] <didrocks> mhall119: thanks
[13:37] <mhall119> AlanBell: will you be at UDS?  That
[13:37] <mhall119> AlanBell: will you be at UDS?  That's a good place to design such a thing
[13:38] <AlanBell> I don't know
[13:38] <AlanBell> I did apply
[13:39] <AlanBell> most of my lens ideas are blocking on that feature
[13:57] <jincreator> Hi, I'm wondering about indicator showing keyboard layout. It seems useless. Which package ship it?
[14:00] <didrocks> mhall119: sponsored, can you please pull and push lp:~didrocks/unity-quickly-templates/releasing0.0.2 ?
[14:03] <mhall119> didrocks: pushed
[14:05] <didrocks> mhall119: sorry, can you please --overwrite? I forget to add the bug # and wanted to clean the history
[14:05] <didrocks> mhall119: (also, don't merge it or you won't have the tag on the main branch, hence the "pull and push")
[14:44] <angeloc> mhr3: a question about url and TLD validation, we have to keep in sync with iana TLD, we file bug in feature to add new TLDs?
[14:45] <angeloc> mhr3: a question about url and TLD validation, we have to keep in sync with iana TLD, we have to file bug in future to add new TLDs, is this the correct way?
[14:46] <mhr3> angeloc, well yea, but it's not like we're a browser, this is just to ease searching...
[14:50] <angeloc> mhr3: ok, but we have to remeber that, because it will impossible to open urls that cannot match the regexp!
[14:50] <mhr3> angeloc, we have millions of users, someone will notice and open a bug ;)
[14:50] <angeloc> mhr3: yust pushed latest changes for merge 95591, added UrlType.UNKNOWN
[14:50] <angeloc> mhr3: ok!
[14:52] <apw> can anyone tell me where the 'change viewport and take this window with it' keybinding moved to
[14:53] <Daekdroom> apw, it should be CRTL + ALT + SHIFT + Arrow key by default.
[14:54] <Daekdroom> But it might be at Super + Shift + Arrow key for you, depending on when you last reset the configurations.
[14:54] <apw> if we are going to change these bindings on a weekly basis, at least keeping the help text up to date would be appreciated
[14:56]  * apw wonders if anyone has tried typeing c-a-s-<arrow> ... /me has to move his chair right to manage it
[14:57] <Daekdroom> CRTL + ALT + SHIFT + Arrow is much easier than Super + Shift.
[14:57] <apw> not on my keyboard
[14:57] <apw> was there something wrong with super+alt ?
[14:58] <apw> which now has nothing on it
[14:58] <Daekdroom> It's CRTL + ALT + arrow now.
[14:58] <Daekdroom> What happened is, they changed it to Super + Alt and Super + Shift. People hated it, then they changed it back because shortcuts containing super sometimes invoke Dash/shortcut overlay.
[14:59] <seb128> apw, we don't change on weekly basis, we changed once but the intend was to keep supporting the "classic" keybindings but compiz doesn't allow to set several keys to the same action so we reverted
[14:59] <apw> they changed it back would imply they wen't back to the same places
[14:59] <seb128> apw, so it's back to what it was for years out of the week it was different before beta1
[14:59] <seb128> apw, they did
[15:00] <apw> seb128, move window to the new viewport is not where it was before as far as i can tell
[15:00] <apw> move viewport seems to be back to the old place yes
[15:00] <Daekdroom> Yes, it is.
[15:00] <seb128> apw, what was your recall of the old keybindings for those
[15:01] <seb128> ?
[15:01] <apw> i was under the impression that it was super-alt, and that was the reason we couldn't put 'switch viewport' ther
[15:02] <apw> anyhow, pretty please can we have the help right, as its confusing enough them moving without the help lagging
[15:02] <seb128> apw, those were the new keybindings that we used for a week
[15:02] <smb> I cannot recall for sure, but I am pretty sure it was only two keys + cursor for both
[15:02] <seb128> apw, there is a merge request pending landing to fix the help
[15:02] <seb128> smb, apw: I never move stuff between ws with the keyboard but I'm pretty sure it has been ctrl-alt-shift-arrows for years
[15:03] <seb128> i.e same as change ws with shift added
[15:03] <seb128> I will try on an oneiric liveCD later
[15:08] <angeloc> mhr3: I'm opening the new bug and the new branch, but the patch i've done is not into main package. I have to use my current branch as a starting point or i'll have to wait until patch wasn't taken into main package?
[15:09] <mhr3> angeloc, the former
[15:10] <angeloc> mh3r: you are very patient with me!
[15:10] <apw> seb128, cool.  i have no longer any idea where i thought it was my history has been trashed
[15:54] <mhall119> ronoc: ping
[15:54] <ronoc> mhall119, hey
[15:54] <mhall119> ronoc: hi,  I need to get some documentation on integrating with the Sound Menu for developer.u.c, using the new libunity API
[15:55] <ronoc> mhall119, header file :)
[15:55] <ronoc> mhall119, but seriously
[15:55]  * ronoc goes to find the docs
[15:56] <mhall119> ronoc: thanks
[15:56] <ronoc> mhall119, python or C
[15:57] <mhall119> ronoc: both if you have them
[15:57] <mhall119> ronoc: I'm looking for more of a "how to use it", not just API definition
[15:57] <mhall119> we already have the API being extracted from gir
[15:58] <mhall119> but nothing that tells developers how they are supposed to use it
[15:59]  * ronoc must really do a blogpost on it
[15:59] <ronoc> mhall119, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-11.10/python/Unity-4.0.html#Unity.MusicPlayer
[16:00] <ronoc> one sec , ill find you an example
[16:00] <mhall119> ronoc: a blog post that can be converted to a tutorial on developer.u.c would be fantastic
[16:04] <ronoc> mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/871645/
[16:05] <ronoc> that's a vala example of how it works
[16:05] <ronoc> very straight forward
[16:05] <mhall119> ronoc: are you still planning on writing a blog explaining it?
[16:05] <ronoc> mhall119, yes will do so at the end of the week
[16:05] <ronoc> once some big bugs are done
[16:07] <mhall119> ronoc: ok, thanks, let me know when it's up?
[16:07] <ronoc> mhall119, will do
[17:16] <angeloc> mhr3: done! I filed bug 948086, made a new branch and proposed it form merge!
[17:16] <mhr3> angeloc, woo, you're on fire! :)
[17:17] <angeloc> mhr3: sorry, I made a mistake, please see the code in a few minutes!
[17:24] <angeloc> mhr3: i lost my job somw weeks ago, since then i decided that i want to make a live with opensource, Ubuntu is really the best starting point to became a pro!
[17:38] <angeloc> mhr3: now, it's ok!
[17:53] <mhall119> tedg: ping
[17:55] <mhall119> tedg: how can I change "Untitled Indicator (gtg)" to "Getting Things GNOME!" in the HUD?
[17:55] <mhall119> gord: ^^ ??
[17:56] <mfisch> mhall119: all of the non-singlet lenses that I have seem to support the "See NN more results" feature, but the singlet ones don't.  Is there a way to enable this that I'm missing?
[17:57] <seb128> mhall119, call app_indicator_set_title
[17:57] <tedg> mhall119, Ah, seb128 beat me.
[17:57] <tedg> :-)
[17:58] <mhall119> seb128: ah, so it's gotta be done in code?
[17:58] <seb128> yes
[17:58] <mhall119> mfisch: Unless singlet is missing something, you should get that
[17:58] <seb128> is there softwares not done in code?
[17:58] <mhall119> seb128: Quicklists ;)
[18:01] <mfisch> mhall119: I don't see it (for example) in your community-lens.   I will poke around inside singlet
[18:02] <mhall119> mhr3: davidcalle: ^^ do you guys know of any reason Singlet wouldn't give a "See NN more results" ?
[18:02] <mhall119> mfisch: in Oneiric or Precise?
[18:03] <davidcalle> mhall119, because there are no more results? :)
[18:03] <mfisch> mhall119: Precise
[18:04] <mfisch> davidcalle: my lens does the same thing, it can only show 3 tickers, even when I enter, say 5
[18:04] <mhall119> davidcalle: that's my thought
[18:04] <mhr3> mhall119, agreed with davidcalle :)
[18:04] <mhall119> mfisch: try a search for "team"
[18:04] <mfisch> mhall119: well,
[18:04] <mfisch> mhall119: this just leaves my lens as broken
[18:04] <mfisch> mhall119: it is working
[18:04] <mhall119> it might take a minute
[18:05] <mhr3> although there's a bug about the count when using the other tiles
[18:05] <mhall119> our API isn't exactly optimized
[18:05] <mhr3> so maybe that's why
[18:05] <mfisch> I've never  been able to get mine to work
[18:05] <davidcalle> mhr3, indeed, the count can be off by two.
[18:06] <mhall119> what?
[18:06] <mfisch> let me check the obvious, like whether i'm putting more than 3 in the model
[18:06] <mhall119> davidcalle: btw, the ARB is voting on the graphic design lens
[18:07] <mhr3> angeloc, cool, i'll take a look tomorrow, tired now
[18:08] <angeloc> mhr3: I'm also
[18:11] <davidcalle> mhall119, right now?
[18:12] <mhall119> davidcalle: it was posted to their ML last night
[18:12] <davidcalle> mhall119, ok, thanks :)
[18:17] <angeloc> mhr3: than you!
[18:18] <angeloc> mhr3:thank you!
[18:28] <mhall119> has anyone seen mark tully lately?
[18:29] <Velmont> So. In good'ol gnome it was possible to lock down stuff. I don't want my users being able to do user switching, nor lock the screen. They should *only* be allowed to log out. (Because the computers are used by several people).
[18:29] <Velmont> Any way to do that currently? Didn't find anything obvious in dconf-editor
[18:30] <JanC> Velmont: don't the old setting work anymore?
[18:31] <Velmont> JanC: They do not. :-) I have them in gconf.mandatory/%tree.xml
[18:33] <JanC> they might have moved to dconf, but if that doesn't work you probably want to file a bug (or look if one already exists first)
[18:33] <Velmont> Doesn't even work in Gnome-shell :-)
[18:34] <Velmont> JanC: I'm trying to get it to work in both Unity and Gnome-Shell, but it works in neither. Since the upgrade.
[18:34] <mfisch> mhall119/davidcalle: I found out my problem, but I'm not sure how to solve it
[18:35] <mfisch> it appears that when my search string is a list of quotes, like "A FDX HPQ GM IBM" that I don't get the "more results"
[18:35] <JanC> Velmont: that's a regression for LTS users then...
[18:35] <mfisch> when I hacked my code to pull up a list of 10 quotes, regardless as to the search string, it works
[18:35] <Velmont> Do you know dconf? -- Does it show all possible settings? Maybe I just have to manually input the same settings into dconf, because it didn't port them at upgrade?
[18:40] <Velmont> OK, I'll debug a bit on my own. It actually seems to *have* recorded it, -- only, it doesn't work, see:       dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/lockdown/disable-lock-screen              ---->     true
[18:41] <Velmont> Hmmm. But it also says true to stuff that shouldn't be true... Maybe it is not to be trusted.
[18:41] <mhall119> mfisch: what if it's 6 or 7 quotes?
[18:42] <mhall119> davidcalle said there was some counting but that might cause it to not work for 5
[18:42] <mhall119> counting bug
[18:57] <mfisch> mhall119: let me try
[18:58] <mfisch> mhall119: the count is off as you said
[18:58] <mfisch> mhall119: AHA
[18:58] <mfisch> mhall119: the count is off by 3
[18:58] <mfisch> mhall119: 7 quotes, 3 are shown, and it says "Show 1 more result"
[18:59] <mfisch> I was only ever testing 4 or 5 because I can't remember that many ticker symbols off the top of my head
[18:59] <mhall119> mhr3: do you happen to know that bug number? ^^
[19:01] <mhr3> mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/934944
[19:02] <mfisch> thx mhall119 and mhr
[19:03] <mfisch> yep that bug says off by 3
[19:04] <Velmont> Hmmm. But it also says true to stuff that shouldn't be true... Maybe it is not to be trusted... hrmf
[19:07] <BoxyK2> Hi there, I get a warning that the maximum capacity of my battery is getting lower (NOT the current charge level). Does anybody know how to configure the threshold for this warning?
[19:30] <BoxyK2> does anyone have an idea how to solve my problem?
[19:54] <thumper> morning
[19:54] <thumper> BoxyK2: try asking on #ubuntu-desktop
[19:54] <BoxyK2> thanks!!! I'll do that!
[20:00] <bschaefer> thumper, morning
[22:40] <davidcalle> mhall119, ping
[22:40] <mhall119> davidcalle: pong
[22:41] <davidcalle> mhall119, what's the status of filters in singlet? Are they available?
[22:49] <mhall119> you can use libunity filters, as far as I'm aware
[22:50] <mhall119> but I haven't wrapped them in any singlet-specific things
[22:50] <mhall119> you add them like you add categories, just define them in the class
[22:52] <davidcalle> mhall119, oh, perfect then, thanks :)
[22:54] <mhall119> np, let me know if it works, I haven't tested for it
[23:03] <davidcalle> mhall119, it works perfectly fine.
[23:03] <mhall119> awesome!
[23:03] <mhall119> I love it when code works without being tested
[23:04] <mhall119> it's such a rare treat
[23:04] <davidcalle> filters = [filters] in Meta, and filter creation as usual. Really cool :)
[23:08] <Andy80> I say sorry for the next OT, but I/we owe this to him.....
[23:08] <Andy80> andyrock: happy birthday to youuuuuu! Happy birthday to youuuu! Happy birthday Andrea, happy birthday to youuuu!!! :)
[23:11] <andyrock> Andy80, thank you! :)
[23:11] <andyrock> now my age starts with 2*
[23:11] <andyrock> :(
[23:14] <Andy80> andyrock: one more year and you'll be able to order a beer in USA :D
[23:15] <andyrock> Andy80, Luckily someone has invented the lies, so... :)
[23:16] <Andy80> ;)


[06:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> http://themes.freecode.com/tags/theme is not longer a valid url on the !themes trigger
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[06:11] <daxcat> !-themes
[06:11] <daxcat> !themes
[06:12] <daxcat> !themes =~ s,http://themes.,http://,
[06:12] <daxcat> !themes
[21:17] <ezri> !info firefox trusty
[21:17] <k1l_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/firefox
[21:17] <ezri> Pici: how come it's p[ulling version number from trusty-updates (v44) instead of security (v45)?
[21:18] <k1l_> that says 45. so maybe the bot is not just updated yet
[21:18] <ezri> the security update was 7 days ago :\
[21:18] <ezri> assuming changelog isn't lying
[21:19] <ezri> oh, it was published 6 hours ago
[21:19] <ezri> Pici: nvm
[21:19]  * ezri mutters some things
[21:20] <Unit193> Was about to say that you have to look at the published date.
[21:20] <k1l_> yeah, maybe it just not got the daily cronjob for updating the bot db yet
[21:20] <ezri> Unit193: yeah I wasn't aware that stuff went via PPA
[21:20] <Myrtti> tor factoid could do an update to remove the tor-sasl bit for now
[21:20] <Myrtti> incidentally
[21:21] <Myrtti> I've forgotten how to do it
[21:21] <ezri> in Sane Dax Universe we don't do new major versions of packages and security updates are immediate to fix specific high-priority issues
[21:21] <ezri> !tor
[21:21] <ezri> !-tor
[21:21] <ezri> !search tor
[21:21] <ezri> oh, it's doing partial word match joy
[21:21] <ezri> !tor =~ s/ |.*$//
[21:21] <ezri> !tor
[21:21] <ezri> gdi the | is special huh
[21:22] <ezri> !no, tor is <reply> Tor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is in Ubuntu's repositories, but the Tor Project recommends using their Tor packages due to past issues with Ubuntu's. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[21:22] <Unit193> ezri: If it doesn't build on some platform, that can hold things up a bit too.
[21:22] <ezri> !forget tor-sasl
[21:23] <ezri> !forget torsasl
[21:23] <ezri> !forget torgpg
[21:23] <ezri> !forget tor-gpg
[21:23] <Myrtti> if and when it comes back, it can be unforgetted
[21:23] <Myrtti> forgotten
[21:23] <Myrtti> whatever
[21:23] <ezri> ja
[21:24] <ezri> !forget eir
[21:24] <Unit193> Myrtti: Heh, pretty sure that's entirely no time soon. :)
[21:24] <ezri> !forget pdpc
[21:24] <ezri> !forget eir-#ubuntu-ops-team
[21:24] <Myrtti> Unit193: it's actually on the priority list quite high, not on the top mind, but there still
[21:24] <ezri> oh that one already got deleted
[21:25] <Myrtti> well, it's not the top1 item
[21:25] <Unit193> Still, going to be hard to figure out how to enable it, without all the abuse that comes with it.
[21:26] <ezri> depends on what precisely you mean by "abuse"
[21:27] <ezri> the reason it's disabled is because of people using it to brute-force NickServ account passwords. if they code it to only accept certificate-based SASL that's at least half of the problem solved
[21:28] <ezri> or another option is making the ability to use Tor-SASL opt-in along the lines of "I want to use Tor-SASL and assert that my password is not crap"
[21:28] <Unit193> Though I don't believe a lot of clients support that, Irssi no longer can (right now.)
[21:29] <ezri> irssi supports EXTERNAL, just freenode doesn't yet
[21:29] <Unit193> According to #irssi, that maaaay be broken in .18. :D
[21:30] <ezri> lol
[21:30] <Unit193> ezri: I used cap_sasl.pl with cryptx, /ns info Unit193
[21:30] <ezri> meanwhile weechat supports plain ecdsa-nist256p-challenge external dh-blowfish dh-aes
[21:31] <Unit193> We need 25519!
[21:31] <ezri> lol
 in italian ubuntu offtopic channel k1
[21:35] <k1l_> anyone know if they got an own ops channel for the italian ubuntu channel?
[21:36] <Myrtti> doesn't look like it
[21:36] <Myrtti> at least according to alis
[21:37] <ezri> chanserv says there is #ubuntu-it-ops
[21:37] <ezri> it's +s hence no alis
[21:38] <Unit193> nono, that's their secret police channel, clearly!


[08:29] <ahoneybun> \o from Akademy
[16:23] <pleia2> ahoneybun: glad to see your blog going to planet again :)
[17:23] <ahoneybun> pleia2: yes I finally fixed it thanks to some WordPress info


[19:50] <coz_> thorwil,   tried  fonty python...fontmatrix  and font-manager for gnome... Font manager  you simply double click the font to disable it with absolutely no side effets...it even has a regeneral font button
[19:50] <coz_> thorwil,  i think...for my purposes...font-manager is really cool
[19:51] <coz_> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/font-manager-a-font-management-application-for-the-gnome-desktop.html
[19:51] <coz_> http://fontmanager.blogspot.com/
[19:51] <thorwil> coz_: sure. fontmatrix has other feature that make it valuable for me
[19:52] <coz_> thorwil,  understood... but if you need to disable and renable on the fly   font-manager does it extremely well :)
[19:52] <thorwil> so currently i live with about 1700 fonts installed, which makes inkscape take a long time to load, unless you always keep an instance open and open files from there
[19:53] <coz_> thorwil,  right lol  I am a font whore also lol   so this font-manager does exactly what I need and it can group fonts from what I can see  so a group can be enabled or disabled
[19:53] <thorwil> of course i should get rid of most of them, but can't be bothered to invest the work


[01:32] <henrique> boa noite
 8OBV
 Good evening everyone.  I have a question regarding the latest released Kernel for Kubuntu.  Seems to not boot after GRUB.  Anyone else having this problem?
[05:49] <guiverc> Shibblet, you haven't mentioned a release, however given LTS releases have two stack choices (GA or HWE).. it maybe a subset of a single release, but if you're after help more details should be provided
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
 Apologies.  20.04.2 - Kernel 5.8.0-49 Generic.  The (48) kernel is what I am currently using.
 I am a bit of a noob with Linux as well.  I know a bit, but not really sure what information you may need.
[06:49] <lordievader> Any error when you are trying to boot?
[07:02] <ruenoak> Morning, just wondering on the kernel boot error are you using Nvdia drivers?
 I am using Nvidia Drivers.  And there is no error on boot.  Just a black screen that is non-responsive to any keyboard commands.    No logo, and no boot.
[07:56] <lordievader> Sounds like you want to use `nomodeset` to fix your drivers.
[07:56] <lordievader> !nomodeset
[08:04] <ruenoak> I had I had a similar problem updating to the -49 kernel a few days ago I fixed it by booting into the previous -48 kernel uninstalling the nvidia driver and reinstalling it
 Ok.  I will try that.  Can I do this in the "Additional Drivers" screen, or will I have to manually do this with the terminal?
[08:25] <ruenoak> No you can do it in the Driver manager
[08:28] <ruenoak> Once booted into the previous 48 kernel open driver manager and select the nouveau driver  restart and boot into the -current 49 kernel, open driver manager and select the proprietary driver and restart again
[08:30] <ruenoak> I've had this happen once or twice before and that is how I have fixed the issue
[10:20] <alf1975> Kernel Freeze in the next version ?
[10:20] <alf1975> good
[10:21] <alf1975> my Nvidia driver was broken because of bad instalattion
[11:05] <Maik> Kernel Freeze was last week
[11:06] <Maik> but again alf1975 stop posting random noonrelated stuff uf you don't have a kubuntu support question. Enough is enough imho after telling you three days in a row.
[11:07] <Maik> i was also told you do the same in the fedora channel...
[11:07] <Maik> noonrelated/nonrelated
[11:40] <alf1975> it works ... :)
[11:41] <alf1975> Color of Kubuntu is Blue -> Rite of York ; Color of Ubuntu Orange ? Schrödinger ? ...
[11:48] <alf1975> Red Hat -> Rite o Scotish Old and Accepted ?
[11:48] <alf1975> lol
[11:48] <alf1975> ...
[11:50] <alf1975> AHhhhhhhh SUSE green ... Bisexual ????????
[11:51] <alf1975> loooooool
[11:56] <Maik> alf1975: last time, take your chatter to offtopic instead
[11:56] <Maik> !discuss | alf1975
[11:56] <Maik> or #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:10] <R13ose> 20.10 - The battery indicator on the system tray is not there, how do I fix that?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 hi :)
[12:30] <R13ose> Hi
[12:42] <Maik> R13ose: check that it isn’t just hidden: In the panel there is a small arrow, in the right. iirc
[12:43] <R13ose> I don't see that in the hidden area
[12:43] <Maik> If it is not add the battery widget: right click the panel and goto add widgets then search for battery and drag it to the panel
[12:43] <Maik> quick search on the web provided that answer
[12:48] <R13ose> That worked but when I looked there before, it said 1.
[12:48] <R13ose> Thanks
[12:48] <R13ose> Now when I hover over the battery, it says No Batteries Available
[12:50] <Maik> search launchpad for bug reports on the matter
[12:54] <R13ose> Okay
[13:09] <R13ose> Not founding anything in launchpad
[13:10] <Maik> then elsewhere on the web? I'm sure it's not the first time this happened.
[13:10] <Maik> What kind of laptop is it?
[13:13] <R13ose> The laptop is Lenovo
[13:14] <Maik> that's helpful....
[13:14] <Maik> there are so many lenovo's out there
[13:16] <Maik> when asking for help you need to be a bit more specific.
[13:17] <R13ose> ThinkPad X1 Carbon
 Hey.  Thanks for the help BTW.  I realize how difficult it can be when we (the problematic) don't give the right information up front. … So, I very much appreciate your patience and assistance.
[16:47] <latincanadian> good morning. im having a huge problem with kubuntu, all the sudden my keyboard changed from laptop type to desktop and i dont know how to fix that.
[16:48] <latincanadian> i cant work in the plasma enviroment because of that issue , all happen right after i log in
[16:50] <latincanadian> is anybody here?
[16:53] <Maik> !patience | latincanadian
[16:56] <krytarik> latincanadian: Have you had a look at the keyboard model in the settings yet?  Anyone of those sticks out to you as potentially matching?
[16:57] <krytarik> Oh right, crossposting again..
[16:57] <latincanadian> krytarik yes i did and its weird, all this poblem started when i tried the Ubuntu-Mate desktop , something happened with the kernel i think that the keybord settings started chnging all alone
[17:06] <krytarik> latincanadian: So any details about the keyboard model story?
[20:51] <AlexVDem> #budgie
[23:47] <user|68283> Hi. Does anyone knows how to install kubuntu from ubuntu server? thkd
[23:56] <Maik> from a server? Or on a server...?
[23:59] <Maik> sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop


[10:54] <folk> hi, I noticed the ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa hasn't been updated for 7 weeks, can I help in any way?


[10:57] <sagaci> finally an openpgp extension for chrome/gmail - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kajibbejlbohfaggdiogboambcijhkke
[11:31] <head_victim> sagaci: nice find, used it yet?
[11:46] <sagaci> yep
[11:46] <sagaci> head_victim, works like a zyrtec in gmail
[11:47] <head_victim> Not sure why it wants to access my data on all websites and my browsing activities mind you
[11:50] <sagaci> probably needs those kinds of permissions to function
[11:56] <head_victim> That was one of the few reasons I ever bothered to set up evolution. I don't encrypt much but when I need to it's handy.
[11:57] <sagaci> yep, I used thunderbird for gpg but it was a pain and the firefox extension was dormant