[10:04] <moDumass> solom, if you have never used a NIX system, Id jsut get a live cd, and play around with it for a bit, then install it on a seperate partition and play for a bit then migrate stuff across
[10:05] <DistroJockey> honeypot: ahh, k. Not sure on that. (yet ;) )
[10:05] <moDumass> linux is awesome, but its not idiot friendly, and ive broken it many times
[10:05] <kadko> Hello how can i install fusion for compiz on ubuntu hardy?
[10:05] <laffinet> Debian: bear with me, I'm getting there
[10:05] <honeypot> DistroJockey: oh..ok..thank for your trying
[10:05] <|Debian|> laffinet: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62911/
[10:05] <|Debian|> try that
[10:05] <DistroJockey> honeypot: np
[10:06] <noob-africa> later y'all
[10:06] <nysosym> h ithere
[10:06] <DistroJockey> honeypot: from a ubuntu forum:  "you must delete the link /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm (or S99kdm if you use KDE)"
[10:06] <nysosym> such a shame, the macbook wifi doesn't work out of the box in hardy
[10:06] <pc05_> haloo
[10:07] <bullgard4> unop__ , I_reck I am not sure that 'ssen' is a Linux command. Is it perhaps an Irssi or IRC command?
[10:07] <solom>  moDumass..mmm.. thanks
[10:07] <solom> unop__>	 if u dont mind should i start with CBT like linux + to or RHCE or any training videos to understand and get the hand on task
[10:07] <solom> and what you opinion..
[10:07] <DistroJockey> honeypot: check into that first though
[10:07] <|Debian|> laffinet: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62911/
[10:07] <unop__> bullgard4, have a look here - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=seen&mode=exactfilename&suite=gutsy
[10:07] <DistroJockey> honeypot: sounds about right to me though
[10:07] <Jordan_U> 1
[10:08] <honeypot> DistroJockey: oh thanks i am so appreciate
[10:08] <DistroJockey> honeypot: you're welcome
[10:09] <unop__> solom, i'm not sure a training video will give you enough - the best way to learn this is to do it, setup a lab environment and start to deploy out the technologies you need - the videos can supplement but are not enough
[10:09] <|Debian|> laffinet: you here ?
[10:09] <Quintin> http://pastebin.ca/982138  <--  any help?
[10:09] <laffinet> Debian: can you help me registering my nock so I can pm you
[10:10] <DistroJockey> honeypot: sysvconfig  is a nice front end that will let you remove gdm
[10:10] <unop__> !register | laffinet
[10:10] <ubotu> laffinet: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[10:10] <|Debian|> laffinet: /msg nickserv register password
[10:10] <DistroJockey> honeypot: and any other services for that matter
[10:11] <|Debian|> laffinet: just look at this link,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62911/
[10:12] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ?
[10:12] <p33> hey ppl...ive forgot what to do when VLC doesnt play files stored on a samba network share
[10:12] <I_reckn> user1:  lspci  in a terminal
[10:12] <steph33560> Hi all :)
[10:13] <solom> unop__ and how newbie Linux user to made it self study dear .. this is not installation windows xp man and just wizard and few click and well done .. volaa windows has been installed with all the package :) .. please tell me exactly what to do in the first phase what exactly do i need example " 2 pc or one pc with VMware ... ubunto server , .. extra "
[10:13] <moDumass> wow, i hae no idea what he just said
[10:13] <moDumass> take the blue pill
[10:14] <steph33560> When I read a video in Avidemux, it's hashed
[10:14] <sbingner> solom, next, next, typical, finish plz
[10:14] <|Debian|> anyone know why my internet is being really sluggish ... it's fine on the other pc ... i've disabled IPv6
[10:14] <steph33560> What's to do to read fluidly a video in avidemux ?
[10:14] <unop__> solom, ubuntu is pretty much the same, pop the CD in boot up, use the wizard, and ubuntu is installed with all the packages needed for a desktop :)
[10:14] <kadko> How can i install the fusion for compiz?
[10:15] <harsh1> How to create a new network connection in ubuntu 7.10?
[10:15] <solom> sbingner> sorry didn't understand what your means
[10:15] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ?
[10:16] <unop__> solom, if you are learning, you should try and not use vmware, install ubuntu on it's own parition (see !dualboot) .. if you are setting up a lab to test migration out, well that depends on how many servers you have on the network currently
[10:16] <DistroJockey> |Debian|: all network traffic is slow or just in some apps?
[10:16] <solom> unop__ okay lets stop talking and start the work ... i will burn the cd and start the installation .. after finished i'll get back to you dear
[10:17] <solom> but if u dont mind could u please give me your Yahoo or MSN ID ??
[10:17] <|Debian|> DistroJockey: gaim takes years to login ... and webrowser is slow
[10:17] <thoreauputic> !u
[10:17] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[10:17] <DistroJockey> |Debian|: Firefox?
[10:17] <solom> thank you all for your time and help and support
[10:17] <moDumass> |Debian| mines doin that too, have you tried opera, mines only crap on mozilla browsers
[10:17] <|Debian|> no it's not that
[10:18] <|Debian|> it was working fine the other day
[10:18] <harsh1> I am unable to access Internet after changing my ISP, please help?
[10:18] <holek> ehh... that'll last long, 145 package updates
[10:18] <Quintin> harsh1: check DNS settings
[10:18] <DistroJockey> |Debian|: k
[10:18] <unop__> solom, i don't usually give you details like that here -- and it wouldnt be fair if i gave you my ID, #ubuntu here is always available for help if you need it
[10:19] <|Debian|> i've turned off IPv6 .. can't figure it out.
[10:19] <Quintin> harsh1: "sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bu"  "sudo echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf"
[10:20] <moDumass> |Debian| what size have you set your cache to be?
[10:20] <harsh1> Quintin: Thanks for reply,  I contacted my ISP, they replied "You will need to create a new network connection which replaces the old one.", how to do that on Ubuntu 7.10?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Quintin: 1) the sudo echo command won't work 2) you don't know if it's a dns problem
[10:20] <|Debian|> moDumass: i havn't touched it
[10:20] <Quintin> thoreauputic: 1) it very well could be 2) backup resolv.conf so it's fine 3) numbered lists are stupid :)
[10:21] <Quintin> harsh1: Well, what kind of internet connection do you have?
[10:21] <XB23> can i use wildcards in apt
[10:21] <bazhang> harsh1: this is via dsl connected to a router?
[10:21] <solom> sure i understand your point of view .. and thank you for your support my dear friend .. meet u again after installation this ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso ... or u have any comments before installation
[10:21] <XB23> like  apt-get remove apache*
[10:21] <T1m0thy> Yes, XB23.
[10:21] <Quintin> solom: why 6.10?  kind of old
[10:21] <XB23> wicked
[10:21] <harsh1> Quintin: Yes
[10:21] <solom> Quintin
[10:21] <solom> mmm i dont know i download it from the site
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Quintin: the sudo echo will not work - you need something like  echo "foo" | sudo tee /etc/resolve.conf ( see the RootSudo wiki page)
[10:22] <solom> is there other new one
[10:22] <DistroJockey> |Debian|: something I used a while back:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62912/
[10:22] <unop__> solom, just acquaint yourself with a dual  boot scenario, thats all
[10:22] <|Debian|> XB23:  hows cali
[10:22] <dra> hello
[10:22] <bazhang> solom: better to get a newer one, that one may not be supported any longer
[10:22] <dra> hello
[10:22] <Quintin> harsh1: are you using the same computer to talk to us here?
[10:22] <solom> ops
[10:22] <|Debian|> DistroJockey: ty
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Quintin: interesting how you managed to imply stupidity when you had just given inaccurate advice ;)
[10:22] <solom> excuse me i am confused
[10:22] <Pablos> hallo
[10:22] <DistroJockey> |Debian|: np, hope it helps
[10:23] <|Debian|> me too :)
[10:23] <DistroJockey> |Debian|: is not distro specific
[10:23] <harsh1> Yes, with my old ISP.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> s/resolve/resolv  ( my typo)
[10:23] <|Debian|> np
[10:23] <bazhang> solom: you likely will want to get version 7.10; it is the latest stable version and supported very well now
[10:23] <solom> plz give me the URL to download the latest ver. if u dont mind
[10:24] <solom> thank you bazhang
[10:24] <harsh1> Quintin: Yes.
[10:24] <bazhang> solom: www.ubuntu.com/download should have it
[10:24] <harsh1> Quintin: I am using my old ISP to connect to Internet.
[10:25] <Quintin> harsh1: What is the type of connection?
[10:25] <DistroJockey> bazhang, solom: If you can wait, 8.04 is only 12 days away :)
[10:25]  * N3bunel saluta
[10:25] <bazhang> DistroJockey: hehe already there ;]
[10:25] <Quintin> harsh1: I would just try getting DHCP lease
[10:25] <solom> Ubuntu 7.10 - Supported to 2009 and Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - Supported to 2009 ?? !!
[10:25] <DistroJockey> bazhang: me too, just thought I'd mention it :)
[10:26] <harsh1> Quintin: My new connection is Broadband connection.
[10:26] <DistroJockey> solom: 8.04 (due out in 12 days) is LTS also
[10:26] <bazhang> solom: yes, but the latest version has many more features ;]
[10:26] <Quintin> harsh1: Do you have any connectivity at all with the new connection?  What have you tried so far?    what kind of connection is it?
[10:27] <bullgard4> unop__: I have got it: In the channel #ubuntu-de there is a bot called 'shetlandpony'. shetlandpony accepts a command ',seen <Nick>'.
[10:27] <|Debian|> eggdrop
[10:27] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ?
[10:27] <harsh1> Quintin: No I don't have any connectivity, it is an wired Broadband connection.
[10:28] <Jordan_U> !seen | bullgard4
[10:28] <ubotu> bullgard4: The seen function has not been operational for a long time.  Use /msg seenserv seen nickname instead.
[10:28] <bazhang> harsh1: you have a router between you and the dsl modem?
[10:28] <solom> mmm .. this will lead me t o another question .. if i  installed the ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso .. can i upgrade to the new version with the last features updates ?? or should i download the new one once again .. coz if i could upgrade so this is better to learn how to upgrade :) if not so i will download the new version ;)
[10:29] <ailean> guys, can anyone tell me where plugins should be placed for firefox?  I'm trying to put in the adobe version of flash but it's not working(!)
[10:29] <harsh1> Quintin: No.
[10:29] <bazhang> solom: you could, but you would have to install 7.04 in between
[10:29] <Jordan_U> ailean, Just use the install script
[10:29] <harsh1> bazhang: No.
[10:29] <ailean> Jordan_U, have done, but doesn't work with firefox 3
[10:30] <kadko> HOW CAN I INSTALL FUSION FOR MANAGE COMPIZ!!?
[10:30] <bazhang> harsh1 any plans on getting one in the near future? that way you could connect multiple computers
[10:30] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: Thank you very much for your information.
[10:30] <user1> how can i know does the latest ubuntu kernal supports a tv card i have?
[10:30] <bazhang> caps kadko
[10:30] <user1> bazhang ^
[10:30] <DistroJockey> solom: I try to avoid upgrades if I can :)
[10:30] <oxtail> anyone here a fan of beagled? by getting rid of it, i seem to have disabled my desktop background, and right-clicking on the desktop no longer gives me the menu...any ideas?
[10:31] <harsh1> bazhang: No I don't have any plans to connect multiple computers.
[10:31] <holek> can anyone help me with this monitor problem?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> !flash | ailean
[10:31] <ubotu> ailean: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:31] <Jordan_U> !caps | kadko
[10:31] <ubotu> kadko: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:31] <solom> by the way ... from your opinion ..why should i migrate from windows to Linux ?? coz i need to persuade my G.M sooner :) after learning the basics may ALLAH willing
[10:31] <bazhang> kadko you need to install ccsm; /msg ubotu ccsm for more info
[10:32] <tsukasa_> solom, linux is superior in pretty much every way except gaming
[10:32] <bazhang> solom: three reasons: more secure, no viruses, free
[10:32] <tsukasa_> solom, and even then we have wine
[10:32] <DistroJockey> solom: Free, open source, quick fixes and help
[10:32] <harsh1> bazhang: My ISP representative said "You will need to create a new network connection", how to do that on Ubuntu 7.10?
[10:32] <moDumass> bazhang you didnt mention "awesome" and "not crap like windows"
[10:33] <bazhang> moDumass: ;]
[10:33] <DistroJockey> solom: and the 2 others bazhang mentioned :)
[10:33] <tsukasa_> windows isnt crap, its just not very good
[10:33] <DistroJockey> hehe
[10:33] <tsukasa_> be fair
[10:33] <bazhang> harsh1: connect the cable to your box
[10:33] <solom> but what if i need support ... when i have a disaster .. for whom should i scream on  to help me ???
[10:34] <DistroJockey> us :)
[10:34] <harsh1> bazhang: ok, done.
[10:34] <solom> i am from EGYPT by the way
[10:34] <bazhang> solom: dont scream but come here; we never sleep ;]
[10:34] <cocox> hi there, do you know how could i check exactly human reading (MB, GB, etc..) file size from the shell? i tried ls -lh but dun know why is not accurate, also df -h but it neither...
[10:34] <solom> really .. OMG.. this is what i call teamwork soul
[10:35] <bazhang> harsh1: your provider gave you some info to connect: username, password, and is this static or dynamic ip
[10:35] <solom> okay this is a mutual trust between us ...
[10:35] <dthacker-work> cocox: you can't find the arguments for human readable, or you don't like what they're telling you?
[10:35] <moDumass> tsukasa, no your right, for years i loved my xp and 2000 machines, but that was before my eyes were opened, before i took the red pill
[10:35] <harsh1> bazhang: Yes they have given it, it is Dynamic IP.
[10:35] <tsukasa_> moDumass, yeah, i still have vista as my only os on my gaming box
[10:36] <TychoQuad> hi, I'm having trouble with gnome's automount. Every time I connect my external hard drive, it increments the drive name by a _. my /media folder has 3E, 3E_, 3E__, 3E___, ect
[10:36] <DistroJockey> solom: I'm sure you will find Ubuntu to be a great OS with a great community
[10:36] <tsukasa_> moDumass, but on my laptop on the other hand, thats dual booted, and always in linux when not on long trips
[10:36] <cocox> dthacker-work dont believe what it says
[10:36] <bazhang> harsh1: will this be via ppp0e?
[10:36] <dthacker-work> cocox: it does rounding.
[10:36] <cocox> dthacker-work because i see a size in the shell and a different one in the xwindows
[10:36] <moDumass> tsukasa im about $300 away from buildinga  new gaming box and im not sure if i want to go visat or not, the latest review for crysis said dx10 isnt worth the chenge, so im kinda confused here
[10:36] <holek> I've got a monitor (some CTX monitor, known in Linux as Generic) on Radeon 9550 that does supports the resolution 1280x1024@85, but I can't see this in "Change resolution" dialog (and just don't know which line in xorg.conf covers vertical sync). What can I do? Is there any program that forces driver to use certain resolution? I had similar problem in Windows, but there I had AtiTrayTools, in which I overrided monitor modes. How can I do that in
[10:36] <tsukasa_> i also have a server thats always in linux
[10:37] <bullgard4> kadko: Pleas do not use all capitals.
[10:37] <cocox> dthacker-work which command could you use to compare file sizes for example?
[10:37] <dthacker-work> ls -l
[10:37] <cocox> it doesnt gave human readible size
[10:37] <tsukasa_> moDumass, what gaming box you building? what price range?
[10:37] <moDumass> yeh i have windows on this machine somewhere but havnt been back into it for, about a year im guessing
[10:37] <cocox> ls -lh does but
[10:37] <dthacker-work> bytes are human readable
[10:37] <cocox> it is not accurate
[10:37] <harsh1> bazhang: I am sorry, I am not sure about that.
[10:37] <r11t> does anyone have experience with the easiest way to encrypt/decrypt a folder on the fly ?
[10:37] <moDumass> tsukasa im probably going for around $2000 Aus
[10:37] <FloodBot3> !netsplit
[10:37] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[10:38] <dthacker-work> wheeeee!
[10:38] <moDumass> yeh
[10:38] <|Debian|> woooo
[10:38] <|Debian|> that was FUN
[10:38] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ? i have Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[10:38] <moDumass> need more red pills
[10:38] <|Debian|> lulz
[10:38] <cocox> dthacker-work look
[10:38] <tsukasa_> moDumass, yeah, use vista, just defrag a lot and raid0 the installation
[10:38] <moDumass> and
[10:38] <moDumass> theyre back
[10:38] <mmm4m5m> Question: In bash script, how to add lines to the input stream? Example: if I have 'cat file.txt | head' usually I use temp variables like 'all_lines=$(cat file.txt)"$extra_lines"; echo "$all_lines" | head'.
[10:38] <cocox> dthacker-work, with ls -l -----> dr-xr-xr-x 1 root  root       2048 2004-09-02 10:03 image
[10:39] <dthacker-work> and....
[10:39] <cocox> dthacker-work but in the xwindows it says 509 MB
[10:39] <|Debian|> ewwww vista users
[10:39]  * |Debian| shudders
[10:39] <tsukasa_> |Debian|, aye
[10:39] <tsukasa_> i dont care for it
[10:39] <|Debian|> me either
[10:39] <tsukasa_> it doesnt bother me since i never see it
[10:39] <|Debian|> used it once.... wasn't impressed
[10:39] <tsukasa_> im always in a game
[10:39] <harsh1> bazhang: can you provide me the steps to resolve this issue in case if we get disconnected in the process?
[10:39] <dthacker-work> cocox: you do realize that's a directory, right?
[10:39] <|Debian|> it's a peice of s**t
[10:39] <moDumass> um, trying to mount an hdd in a nas to my desktop, google isnt being helpful, but im possibly looking int he wrong place, any ideas global conciousness?
[10:40] <|Debian|> worst OS ever
[10:40] <tsukasa_> not completely, it doesnt bluescreen often
[10:40] <thoreauputic> !ot
[10:40] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:40] <|Debian|> rofl. often
[10:40] <|Debian|> mind you ... i ran XP very well ... no BSOD
[10:40] <tsukasa_> well lets put it this way
[10:40] <|Debian|> best os they've done
[10:40] <tsukasa_> it never bluescreens betweens reboots
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Windows discussions -->> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[10:40] <tsukasa_> the forced ones form windows updates
[10:40] <moDumass> yeh very rarely had BSOD in XP
[10:40] <moDumass> or 2000
[10:41] <|Debian|> haha. it' a classic the old .. bsod
[10:41] <cocox> dthacker-work uhh and how could i get from the shell the size of the dir and all the files inside?
[10:41] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ? i have Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[10:41] <|Debian|> i never really used 2000 .... it sucked major ass though
[10:41] <thoreauputic> guys, last warning - Windows is off-topic
[10:41] <tsukasa_> 2000 had a bug where it would bluescreen after 35 days of usage straight
[10:41] <|Debian|> 2003 is very good also
[10:41] <|Debian|> pretty much xp
[10:41] <bazhang> harsh1 you need to open up network manager; as I am not on gnome it might be different for you--you likely will want to connect via ppp0e--iirc you can enter the username and password there; I generally do it through a router (accessing via firefox) so perhaps the fine folks here can follow up on what we have started
[10:41] <|Debian|> apart from the obvious it's a server version lol
[10:41] <moDumass> user1, i dont know mate, sorry, have you googled that tv card to  figure it out
[10:41] <|Debian|> thoreauputic: sorry just seen it
[10:42] <thoreauputic> |Debian|: tsukasa_ windows >> ##windows
[10:42] <tsukasa_> thoreauputic, i heard you
[10:42] <|Debian|> no thanks :D
[10:42] <bazhang> please take the windows talk elsewhere
[10:42] <|Debian|> linux <3
[10:42] <dthacker-work> cocox: du -h
[10:42] <TychoQuad> hi, I'm having trouble with gnome's automount. my external hard drive, it increments the drive name by a _. my /media folder has 3E, 3E_, 3E__, 3E___, ect
[10:42] <tsukasa_> wow
 sorry
[10:42] <user1> k
[10:43] <tsukasa_> TychoQuad, thats like my irc client >_>
[10:43] <cocox> dthacker-work thank you very much
[10:43] <harsh1> bazhang: thanks for the help.
[10:44] <solom> 	<DistroJockey>you channel and the people here  are the greater with there kind and support
[10:44] <solom> peace upon you all c ya after the installation complete thanks
[10:44] <moDumass> hmm, how do i mount a second cifs file system, 2 hdds in the same nas, can only see 1 of them
[10:44] <DistroJockey> solom: Glad to be of help when I can, as others have helped me :)
[10:45] <tsukasa_> why does picasa have a linux version but not gtalk
[10:45] <tsukasa_> for that matter why does gtalk not support aim but gmail does
[10:45] <tsukasa_> google is so confusing
[10:45] <azuki> pidgeon does them all
[10:46] <tsukasa_> yeah but not voice
[10:46] <azuki> yep.. and no webcam :/
[10:46] <ucrit> does anyone here has try to use speed up modem su-8200u on ubuntu?
[10:46] <tsukasa_> skype is okay but i have a beef with them over one or two minor things
[10:46] <Zambezi> Anyone having problem with rtorrent 0.8? I can't find my hashed files.
[10:46] <Zambezi> It
[10:47] <wannabee> hi I'm a new user of Ubuntu Gutsy
[10:47] <ura> hello what is a MDF file?
[10:47] <azuki> I never got skypes webcam working in a normal textchat.. I even doubt now if it's possible
[10:47] <wannabee> a beginner I think
[10:48] <wannabee> so is there any channel for a beginner like me?
[10:48] <azuki> you're there!
[10:48] <azuki> :)
[10:48] <DistroJockey> ura: Google has many answers to that question
[10:49] <chtri> DistroJockey: google is confusing, ppl say
[10:50] <azuki> mainly because google wants to be what pidgeon is... but then big.. :)
[10:50] <DistroJockey> chtri: I guess it can be
[10:50] <DistroJockey> chtri: isn't for me though
[10:50] <steph33560> what can I verify with my drivers about hashing videos when previewing in avidemux ?
[10:50] <|Debian|> ... having a windows war in the windows channel ... telling them how much it sucks rofl.
[10:51] <jrgp_> what channel?
[10:51] <icesword> lol
[10:52] <|Debian|> hashashwindows
[10:52] <|Debian|> sorry i have no hash button
[10:52] <|Debian|> lol
[10:52] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ? i have Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[10:53] <lesshaste> gnucash seems to be completely broken in gutsy. For example, when importing the same .qif file it reports different duplicates each time! Also, if you are lucky it will fail to refresh the window and so will be completely black until you click on parts of it etc.
[10:53] <Bogaurd_> is there anyway to make sure device names for hard drives etc in /dev/ do not change? I'd like the traditional behaviour, where /dev/hdc is the sec master, even if there is nothing connected to the primary channel, as an example... indead all my drives appear as /dev/sdX, and if add a new drive, there's no telling where it will end up, and what it will force the others to be renamed to
[10:54] <dthacker-work> lesshaste: have you filed a bug?
[10:54] <DistroJockey> user1:  Maybe this will help:   http://xawdecode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVCardall.htm
[10:54] <lesshaste> dthacker-work: I'm not sure where to start as it appears totally broken.  It also says it is making a .gnucash file then says it can't find it etc.
[10:54] <stefg> !uuid | Bogaurd_
[10:54] <ubotu> Bogaurd_: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:55] <Synx_hm> Is there a way to use dd to raw copy the contents of my flash drive, without the empty space?
[10:55] <XTeLiS_> OOOOPS
[10:56] <helix> HI guys, Where can i look for applications....
[10:56] <stefg> !software | helix
[10:56] <ubotu> helix: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[10:57] <XTeLiS_> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/
[10:57] <XTeLiS_> go there please everyone with questions....
[10:57] <user1> DistroJockey thx
[10:57] <lesshaste> is there a gnucash alternative?
[10:57] <XTeLiS_> its a 1 stop shop
[10:57] <XTeLiS_> yes
[10:57] <XTeLiS_> do you need ?
[10:58] <helix> ubotu, i am looking for #d rendering software
[10:58] <azuki> helix: he's a bot
[10:59] <helix> azuki, i jus got the msg from him...
[10:59] <azuki> no shit!
[10:59] <DistroJockey> user1: np, it help?
[10:59] <azuki> :D
[10:59] <azuki> that works?
[10:59] <azuki> obotu, I am looking for beautiful women
[10:59] <azuki> :(
[11:00] <DistroJockey> user1:  as I have another link if you need it:   http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=740525
[11:02] <JasonWard> hello. why is it that I can run GTK programs but when I #include <gtk/gtk.h>  it can't find gtk.h ?
[11:04] <winkman> hi... just a quick question... what's the default screen capture key in Ubuntu?
[11:04] <hischild_> winkman, easy, press print screen
[11:05] <tsukasa_> i thought it was control printscreen
[11:05] <Nyad> hello. why is it that I can run GTK programs but when I #include <gtk/gtk.h>  it can't find gtk.h ?
[11:05] <DistroJockey> alt
[11:05] <lartza_> Does anything stop me not to removing both gnome panels? If I do remove them is there way to get them back?
[11:05] <winkman> hmmph. Thanks... i was trying it, but my keyboard hijacks the advanced keys... i've fixed it. :)
[11:05] <DistroJockey> opps, alt+printscreen for just the window
[11:05] <hischild_> tsukasa_, DistroJockey, he's asking for screen capture, not window capture.
[11:05] <tsukasa_> oh
[11:06] <DistroJockey> hischild_: yes, I was sorta trying to reply to tsukasa_ :)
[11:06] <hischild_> DistroJockey, was meant as a reply =)
[11:06] <DistroJockey> mishit the enter key :)
[11:06] <Nyad> hello. why is it that I can run GTK programs but when I #include <gtk/gtk.h>  it can't find gtk.h ?
[11:06] <hischild_> np
[11:08] <DistroJockey> Nyad: only thing I can think of is that it's not in the PATH
[11:08] <lartza_> Does anything stop me not to removing both gnome panels? If I do remove them is there way to get them back?
[11:09] <Nyad> what about a gtk dev package? I haven't done that but I dunno what the package name is
[11:09] <hischild_> !find gtk-dev
[11:09] <ubotu> Found: libaiksaurusgtk-1.2-dev, libtracker-gtk-dev, gnunet-gtk-dev, libempathy-gtk-dev, libexif-gtk-dev (and 9 others)
[11:09] <DistroJockey> Nyad: could be, out of my area sorry.
[11:09] <DistroJockey> lartza_: nice question :)
[11:09] <Nyad> ok tnx
[11:09] <lartza_> How? :)
[11:10] <lartza_> Just basic...
[11:10] <DistroJockey> lartza_: I only ever remove 1
[11:10] <lartza_> Well is tehre anything stopping me?
[11:10] <lartza_> wipe out both!
[11:10] <T1m0thy> lartza_, try it.
[11:10] <lartza_> tand can i get them back if i start to regret?
[11:10] <T1m0thy> lol
[11:10] <DistroJockey> lartza_: only the fact that you may not be able to get it back if you need it
[11:10] <lartza_> Must be way to get back
[11:11] <lartza_> ...reinstall!
[11:11] <T1m0thy> You could press alt + f2 and type in gnome-panel, couldn't you/
[11:11] <lartza_> well is there?
[11:11] <lartza_> idk
[11:12] <DistroJockey> I just deleted bottom panel, won't let me delete top
[11:12] <lartza_> :(
[11:12] <lartza_> i have already deleted the bottom
[11:12] <T1m0thy> Why do you want them gone?
[11:12] <hischild_> DistroJockey, i can delete the top but idk about bottom
[11:12] <lartza_> but i want to remove top too!
[11:12] <lartza_> i dont need the panels
[11:12] <T1m0thy> Dock?
[11:12] <lartza_> ?
[11:13] <T1m0thy> Well.. you could always use something other than Gnome.
[11:13] <lartza_> I have awn and everything necessary in it... well, exept i havent got system tray to work
[11:13] <lartza_> or volume control, but i didnt have all dependencies i think
[11:13] <hischild_> lartza_, have you tried fluxbox?
[11:13] <DistroJockey> hischild_: I usually delete the bottom ant add the button window switcher to the top panel and then move the top panel to the bottom :)
[11:14] <hischild_> DistroJockey, you're scaring me, that makes it look like windows
[11:14] <DistroJockey> hischild_: well, I'm used to Windows as I have to support it everyday :(
[11:14] <hischild_> DistroJockey, seems like we're in the same line ...
[11:15] <DistroJockey> hischild_: *nods* :)
[11:15] <lartza_> wont let me delete the top panel! >:(
[11:15] <tsukasa_> hey my alsa audio died... i was messing with ekiga and it wont come back now even after reboot
[11:15] <XTeLiS_> lartza_: YES YOu can remove both
[11:15] <hischild_> lartza_, have you tried fluxbox yet?
[11:15] <tsukasa_> the audio is turned up thats not the problem
[11:15] <XTeLiS_> backup your settings
[11:15] <lartza_> hischild: why would i try?
[11:15] <Moldador> hi, where the desktop themes are saved?
[11:15] <XTeLiS_> move those settings to like a gspace area or cd/dvd
[11:16] <XTeLiS_> then rem0ve them...
[11:16] <lartza_> XTeLiS: Wont let me remove
[11:16] <XTeLiS_> if you want back later do so
[11:16] <hischild_> lartza_, it doesn't have anything on it by default, only a small bar at the bottom
[11:16] <lartza_> remove panel is greyed
[11:16] <XTeLiS_> update to the newest gnome or kde
[11:17] <XTeLiS_> its worth it
[11:17] <XTeLiS_> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/
[11:17] <DistroJockey> tsukasa_: maybe ekiga muted something, maybe check by running the following from a terminal:  alsamixer
[11:18] <user1> how can i shut down computer with a timer. say shutdown after 2 hours?
[11:18] <tsukasa_> DistroJockey, already did that, everythings maxed
[11:18] <user1> DistroJockey no luck btw.
[11:18] <tsukasa_> DistroJockey, i also restarted alsa-utils
[11:18] <DistroJockey> :(
[11:18]  * DistroJockey takes a big swig of beer
[11:18] <ePax> user1: You might need to use crontab with poweroff command.
[11:18] <lartza_> how could i contor the size of panel so it would not bewhole screen length?
[11:18] <XTeLiS_> user there is a addon program if you open add/remove programs
[11:19] <XTeLiS_> you can find it
[11:19] <n2diy> userl the "at" command
[11:19] <user1> ePax whats the command?
[11:19] <XTeLiS_> with gnome2 and widgets
[11:19] <XTeLiS_> or kde
[11:19] <XTeLiS_> 4
[11:19] <ePax> lartza_: Left klick on panel then go to properities
[11:19] <XTeLiS_> ;]
[11:20] <lartza_> ePax: Oh I needed to uncheck expand
[11:20] <DistroJockey> user1: it's not a Compro card is i?
[11:20] <DistroJockey> it^
[11:20] <ePax> user1: For shutting down comp its "poweroff" without " but about crontab you might need to read litle
[11:20] <ePax> !crontab | user1
[11:20] <ubotu> user1: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[11:20] <lartza_> why does the top panel under look "stupid"
[11:21] <lartza_> if i put window in it and take it off the window "burns" to that spot
[11:21] <ePax> lartza_: Does it? Change it.  :D Visit www.gnome-look.org
[11:21] <ePax> :D
[11:21] <lartza_> and when i move another window in it and then out from it it show that window in it
[11:21] <Freeze> Hello everyone
[11:22] <lartza_> ePax: Didn't understand
[11:22] <Freeze> I installed Ubuntu today, and I'm wondering, how can I change my taskbar's font colour?
[11:22] <user1> DistroJockey no.. alpha phillips
[11:22] <ePax> lartza_: About your panel
[11:22] <lartza_> ePax: I have fixed it, but space under the panel show everything what has been on it
[11:23] <Freeze> Anyone? :)
[11:23] <DistroJockey> user1: I've got a Compro T750 that doesn't work with any linux :(  Hope you have better luck.
[11:23] <bouma> when i select xp on my boot loader i get an error msg saying to copy a file
[11:23] <bouma> wtf
[11:24] <chtri> copy it!
[11:24] <user1> DistroJockey hmm.. what distro you have? may be the latest kernel will help?
[11:24] <skkk> Hallo! Wie kann im bei meinem Ubuntu Gutsy die 5%-root-Reservierung von /home ändern?
[11:24] <lartza_> Well now it has a bigger prob
[11:24] <lartza_> that was fixed
[11:24] <chtri> !de | skkk
[11:24] <ubotu> skkk: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:24] <T1m0thy> !de | skkk
[11:24] <lartza_> but the old prob is still there
[11:25] <DistroJockey> user1: well, 2.6.24-14  didn't help
[11:25] <lartza_> ill send screenshot
[11:25] <user1> DistroJockey options saa7134 card=81 tuner=54   in sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/option is making tv time to scan the chans atleast
[11:25] <DistroJockey> user1: dvb-t ?
[11:25] <karaiza> salut cherche des ubunturos reunion^^
[11:25] <user1> DistroJockey didnt installed any thing yet
[11:25] <user1> DistroJockey just tvtime and the options in that file
[11:26] <T1m0thy> !fr | karaiza
[11:26] <user1> DistroJockey but its not gving and channels.
[11:26] <ubotu> karaiza: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:26] <karaiza> ok merci
[11:26] <DistroJockey> user1: never had any luck with mine, been trying for a year :(
[11:26] <user1> DistroJockey ok. see ya.. soon got to go kill some people
[11:27] <DistroJockey> user1: all the best
[11:27] <user1> DistroJockey tried ubuntu forums.
[11:27] <Nyad> !de | Nyad
[11:27] <user1> DistroJockey tried ubuntu forums.?
[11:27] <lartza_> that is my prob on the top of the pic: http://finplaza.arkku.net/screen.png
[11:27] <user1> DistroJockey thx
[11:27] <DistroJockey> user1: tried deeper :)
[11:27] <T1m0thy> de rien, karaiza
[11:27] <lartza_> every window i slide into it
[11:27] <user1> DistroJockey :) if you take advantage of linux. it has some side effects too
[11:27] <user1> DistroJockey despite that. we like it
[11:28] <user1> DistroJockey see ya :)
[11:28] <DistroJockey> user1: indeed, see ya
[11:28] <lartza_> that is my prob on the top of the pic: http://finplaza.arkku.net/screen.png every window i slide into it
[11:29] <DistroJockey> lartza_: wow, funky
[11:29] <lartza_> the prob or my desk?
[11:29] <lartza_> :P
[11:29] <DistroJockey> the prob :)
[11:29] <lartza_> :(
[11:29] <bouma> hi
[11:29] <lartza_> :P
[11:30] <bouma> well i rebooted and ive got the error msg from the boot loader
[11:30] <bouma> can someone helpme
[11:30] <bouma> plz
[11:30] <DistroJockey> lartza_: what does it do with awn turned off?
[11:30] <n2diy> !ask | bouma
[11:30] <ubotu> bouma: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[11:30] <lartza_> ...
[11:30] <lartza_> i need to do some setting
[11:31] <lartza_> in case if awn crashes, i cant do almost anything with my comp
[11:31] <bouma> when i choose xp, grub says,
[11:31] <bouma> win could not start because the following file is missing
[11:31] <bouma> <qwindows root>\system32\hal.dll or corrupt
[11:31] <bouma> please reinstall a copy of the above file
[11:31] <FloodBot2> bouma: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:31] <DistroJockey> lartza_: it's probably a compiz issue (just a hunch)
[11:32] <ompaul> bouma, that is a windows issue - not for here ##windows might be better for that
[11:32] <n2diy> !boot | bouma
[11:32] <bouma> windows had no issue before i stuck the ubuntu cd in
[11:32] <ubotu> bouma: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[11:33] <hylinux> hi, anybody can help me one things: when I install the ubuntu to my dell computer, ( amd 64 ), it look like failed,  just stop the "configuring hardware.
[11:33] <lartza_> DistroJockey: No difference when awn off
[11:33] <tarelerulz> How do you get to the Ubuntu 8.04 room?
[11:33] <ompaul> !hardy | tarelerulz
[11:33] <ubotu> tarelerulz: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[11:33] <bouma> ompaul: i installed 7.10 on a new partition, 2nd partion after xp which was on the first partition
[11:33] <n2diy> hylinux: play with your boot options, nodma, no pci etc...
[11:34] <DistroJockey> lartza_: disable Desktop Effects?
[11:34] <lartza_> stupid ubntu i cant keep my stupid panel how long i want or i cant put the stupid panel where i want...
[11:34] <dot_> I am wondering if iphone is now working well with linux ubuntu gutsy gibbon... Like is ubuntu finding iphone and is it possible to put songs on it
[11:34] <dot_> and will it's battery charge with ubuntu
[11:34] <lartza_> DistroJockey: I think I can't
[11:34] <lartza_> DistroJockey: I think I can't even lower
[11:34] <lartza_> Or awn wont work properly
[11:34] <lartza_> but ill try
[11:34] <bouma> ompaul: so should i use the microsoft cd to 'repair' the ms boot loader
[11:34] <hylinux> n2diy: thanks
[11:35] <tarelerulz> I am not dumb ,but when I do /join #ubuntu+1 I don't seem anything happen . What is up
[11:35] <dot_> I am wondering if iphone is now working well with linux ubuntu gutsy gibbon... Like is ubuntu finding iphone and is it possible to put songs on it
[11:35] <hylinux> now, it look like ok, when I install it b y livecd.
[11:35] <dot_> and will it's battery charge with ubuntu
[11:35] <n2diy> hylinux: GL
[11:35] <hischild> !repeat | dot_
[11:35] <ubotu> dot_: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:35] <ompaul> bouma, I don't know windows but that seems like a reasonable option, then I would do this
[11:35] <ompaul> !grub | bouma
[11:35] <ubotu> bouma: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:35] <hylinux> n2diy: GL? what's that mean.  sorry. I am Chinese, limited on English
[11:35] <ompaul> bouma, cos sure as anything it is going to break grub - yoiu know how much it like to be interoperable ;-)
[11:36] <n2diy> hylinux: GL means good luck!
[11:36] <hylinux> n2diy: thanks
[11:36] <tarelerulz> do you know of anything that can send files to gtalk users ?
[11:36] <lartza_> I'm starting to unlike ubuntu
[11:36] <n2diy> hylinux: GL :)
[11:36] <DistroJockey> lartza_: System - Preferences - Appearance - Visual Effects ?
[11:36] <DistroJockey> lartza_: :(
[11:37] <lartza_> DistroJockey: I can't get awn clock/calendar work, i think because there is no clock in panel...
[11:37] <ompaul> lartza_, you keep customizing it beyond your ability to maintain it - I figure if you did a default install and stopped playing with bling until you got some basics well under your belt you would profit more by it
[11:37] <lartza_> i have used ubuntu for a year now...
[11:37] <empanada> ¡Hooolaaaaaaaaaa! soy nueva en esto..¿como funciona
[11:37] <SNuxoll> !es | empanada
[11:37] <ubotu> empanada: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[11:38] <DistroJockey> lartza_: ohh, I've never used awn for long enough I guess
[11:38] <tarelerulz> getting sound for my laptop out of the box was great.  my hat is off to the makers of Ubuntu 8.04 .
[11:38] <ompaul> tarelerulz, #ubuntu+`
[11:38] <ompaul> tarelerulz, #ubuntu+1
[11:38] <SNuxoll> tarelerulz: yeah, hardy is shaping up nicely, but ^
[11:38] <n2diy> 8.04?
[11:38] <empanada> en que color esta
[11:38] <empanada>  en gris
[11:39] <DistroJockey> ompaul: that is a nice point
[11:39] <dot_> so is iphone charging on linux ubuntu gutsy... And is it possible to put songs on it with gutsy
[11:39] <n2diy> whoops, brain cramp, it is 8.04 now.
[11:39] <stefg> I used awn on gutsy.... when i installed hardy i finally found it not worth the extra effort to install it
[11:39] <empanada> y ahora
[11:39] <SNuxoll> n2diy: 8.04 is in beta now, many people are testing it now, but it's still not recommended for most users
[11:39] <empanada>  tambien
[11:39] <SNuxoll> !es | empanada
[11:39] <ubotu> empanada: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[11:39] <phar0z> !es | empanada
[11:39] <n2diy> SNuxoll: roger that.
[11:39] <empanada> dddddd
[11:39] <SNuxoll> n2diy: ;)
[11:40] <dot_> anyone here knows about the iphone and linux ubuntu compatibaly?
[11:40] <ICQnumber_> !livecd
[11:40] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Desktop CD is a "LiveCD" which can be run without altering existing files on your harddrive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[11:40] <srodden> Greetings! I've created a simple script (3 lines, exports a var then does a sudo modprobe and a sudo to run KVM). I've created a launcher but it doesn't work. If I double click in Nautilus and choose Run in Terminal when it prompts, it works but there's an ugly term in the bg. Any ideas how to make this smooth?
[11:40] <SNuxoll> dot_: what do you mean by compatibility?
[11:40] <dot_> SNuxoll: yea
[11:40] <SNuxoll> dot_: like being able to sync music?
[11:40] <lartza_> Thx for everyone who helped, cya
[11:40] <ICQnumber_> !factory
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about factory - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <tarelerulz> I did just that ompaul and it did not work. Nor do  /msg NickServ  IDENTIFY  PASSWORD
[11:41] <dot_> SNuxoll: yea and getting it charging through USB
[11:41] <dot_> just like a mac computaa
[11:41] <ompaul> tarelerulz,      /join #ubuntu+1
[11:41] <SNuxoll> dot_: USB power is nothing special, I can get my iPod to charge off my Wii
[11:41] <hylinux> hi, I had installed success the ubuntu 8.04 to my dell optiplex 740, but I found I can't make the network work success, the card is:Broadom bcm5754, how can I driver it?and make it work success?
[11:41] <tarelerulz> /join #ubuntu+1
[11:41] <DistroJockey> srodden: can you pastebin the script for us?
[11:41] <ompaul> tarelerulz, no space before it?
[11:41] <SNuxoll> dot_: I'm not sure about Gutsy, but I believe that libgpod has support for the iPhone
[11:41] <dot_> SNuxoll: and is it possible to put music on it with ubuntu?
[11:41] <tarelerulz> /join #ubuntu+1
[11:41] <srodden> How do I pastebin, please?
[11:42] <SNuxoll> dot_: so more than likely, I'd try it from a livecd
[11:42] <ompaul> tarelerulz, no -- you got a space in there
[11:42] <hylinux> please.
[11:42] <tarelerulz> /join#ubuntu+1
[11:42] <thoreauputic> !broadcom
[11:42] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[11:42] <dot_> SNuxoll: why livecd?
[11:42] <n2diy> hylinux: what is your native language?
[11:42] <unop> dot_, there are a couple of ways you can sync with the iphone -- ssh and gtkpod -- !google will tell you more
[11:42] <hylinux> Chinese
[11:42] <hylinux> thoreauputic: thanks
[11:42] <user1> how can i know the exact watts that my pc and my moniter takes? (need to calculate watts to buy a new ups) ?
[11:42] <SNuxoll> unop: !google is akin to jfgi, please don't
[11:42] <thoreauputic> hylinux: bcm5754 might be something else though...
[11:43] <SNuxoll> bcm5754 != bcm43xx
[11:43] <thoreauputic> hylinux: broadcom are notorious for not supporting Linux :(
[11:43] <n2diy> !ch | hylinux
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <spmccann> user1 should be on the maufactuers website
[11:43] <ompaul> !cn | hylinux
[11:43] <ubotu> hylinux: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[11:43] <SNuxoll> dot_: I'd say plug your iPhone in and see if it works
[11:43] <thoreauputic> hylinux: another possibility might be ndiswrapper
[11:43] <hylinux> thoreauputic: hrmm,  may be can use ndiswarpper.
[11:43] <hylinux> yea.
[11:43] <hylinux> yeah.
[11:43] <SNuxoll> dot_: worst case scenario is it doesn't
[11:43] <spmccann> user1 there is usually a sticker on the back of the montior
[11:43] <dot_> ok thanks
[11:43] <user1> spmccann hm.. spmccann can you help giving the link
[11:44] <user1> spmccann hmm. what about cpu
[11:44] <neeto> I am running 32-bit 7.10 right now, is there any way that I can upgrade my installation to a 64-bit 8.04 installation whilst still keeping all my data intact?
[11:44] <srodden> My script is here http://rodden.net/ubuntu/launchxp.txt
[11:44] <SNuxoll> neeto: I wouldn't suggest upgrading to hardy yet
[11:44] <unop> SNuxoll, I didn't mean to offend anyone
[11:44] <SNuxoll> unop: I know, I'm just making you aware :)
[11:44] <unop> SNuxoll, or be sarcastic, i was suggesting better ways to get information
[11:45] <SNuxoll> neeto: and no, you can't just up and upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit
[11:45] <neeto> SNuxoll: alright, well, is there a way that I can upgrade my kernel to 64-bit from 32-bit without major issues?
[11:45] <SNuxoll> neeto: you'll need to reinstall
[11:45] <unop> SNuxoll, thansk but i've been in here long enough to know :)
[11:45] <n2diy> neeto: do you have an other box to use as a backup?
[11:45] <ghis> What desktop do you guys recommend? I don't like standard gnome. Are you running gnome + beryl or something?
[11:45] <neeto> n2diy: Not with enough space to hold all my files...
[11:45] <SNuxoll> ghis: beryl is depreceated
[11:45] <spmccann> user1 it depends on how long you need to run on battery
[11:45] <SNuxoll> ghis: personally I use gnome w/compiz-fusion
[11:46] <ghis> SNuxoll okay.. i will have a look at it
[11:46] <srodden> Not big on eye candy myself :) Just plain gnome atm.
[11:46] <ghis> Standard gnome is so ugly! :)
[11:47] <SNuxoll> srodden: eh, I don't use it for the eye candy, there are some nice compiz plugins that make work more productive to me
[11:47] <n2diy> neeto: Then use your current box as the backup, and do your install on the other box?
[11:47] <the_herby> SNuxoll: is it possible to remove the 32 packages via apt and reinstall 64 bit?
[11:47] <user1> spmccann well the ups should have fixed watss. the moniter is 1.2 a  . just tell me how to know the watts of cpu and moniter
[11:47] <SNuxoll> srodden: it looking pretty is just a bonus
[11:47] <unop> the_herby, no
[11:47] <DistroJockey> ghis: gnome-look.org
[11:47] <SNuxoll> the_herby: not that I am aware of, you'd need to remove everything down to binutils
[11:47] <the_herby> ok, i see
[11:47] <neeto> n2diy: I don't really see what that accomplishes...
[11:47] <ghis> Iam thinking about migrating from vista to ubuntu..
[11:48] <n2diy> neeto: you get the new install, and you don't loose any data.
[11:48] <the_herby> ghis: good thought
[11:48] <rhandyk> hi
[11:48] <srodden> Snux, fair enough :) I actually found when I'd flip up desk 1 to 2 to 3 it was fine but clicking back on 1 took about 12 secs before anything would happen. Decided it was more trouble than ti's worth :) But then I'm only just a newbie. Maybe in time I'll come to appreciate it.
[11:48] <SNuxoll> hello rhandyk, what can we help you with?
[11:48] <rhandyk> my menu bar has gone to the left of the screen, how do i reposition it to the top
[11:48] <rhandyk> ?
[11:48] <SNuxoll> rhandyk: simply drag it to the top
[11:49] <spmccann> user 1 you need to know the total power consumption, also how long you need to run on batteries
[11:49] <XTeLiS_> ghis: yes goood idea
[11:49] <SNuxoll> srodden: eh, I'm more apprecative of the scale and shelf plugins
[11:49] <neeto> n2diy: I think I am either misunderstanding your point or you are misunderstanding my situation. I clicked too fast on the 32-bit distro and I realized that my processor suppoerts 64 bit archetecture. I want to keep all my files and still have a 64bit install on this computer...
[11:49] <javaJake> Anyone have any ideas what "bad CDC descriptors" means? I get this message in syslog when I try to connect a device.
[11:49] <srodden> Anything obviously wrong with this script? http://rodden.net/ubuntu/launchxp.txt I've added it to a launcher, set perms to 766, click it and... nothing happens :)
[11:49] <neeto> n2diy: I don't want to have a 64-bit install just to have one... I want to actually use it as my main OS as well.
[11:49] <the_herby> neeto: then copy your home directory and reinstall
[11:50] <spmccann> user1 differeent ups models are capable of varying power output on bsattery
[11:50] <srodden> 755 I mean
[11:50] <neeto> the_herby: I gotta get some major backups then.... I have 2TB of data on this box... such a pain to have to back it up
[11:51] <DistroJockey> srodden: #!/bin/bash   maybe it should be   #!/bin/sh   ?
[11:51] <n2diy> neeto: Fine Buisness. What I'm trying to say is don't play with mission crtical data, on your mission critical box. Set up a test box to play with.
[11:51] <srodden> that's how it was at first, the bash was an attempt at making it work
[11:51]  * DistroJockey looks around for a shell script
[11:51] <spmccann> use1 http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html
[11:52] <srodden> Interestingly, I've seen plenty of refereces to running in a terminal but I can't find that option on the 7.10 launcher. Has that option been removed in this release of gnome?
[11:52] <neeto> n2diy: I see... well, I'm not even really sure of the advantages switching to 64-bit poses, besides allowing me to use my full 4GB of ram besides just 3.6GB...
[11:52] <neeto> n2diy: which I don't really need anyway... so...
[11:52] <the_herby> neeto: thats quite some data to backup.. what is the benefit of 64 bit for you? you might also loose a 32 bit app that you depend on right now.
[11:53] <neeto> the_herby: I doubt that, I don't do anything too serious with my computer, I mainly just screw around with it and program on it...
[11:53] <DistroJockey> srodden: maybe you need  gksudo  ?
[11:53] <DistroJockey> guessing here
[11:53] <srodden> I don't know that one. *hits google*
[11:54] <neeto> the_herby/n2diy/anyone: what would the advantages of switching to 64 bit be? Does the archetecture actually run faster?
[11:54] <n2diy> neeto: Roger that. If you play on the edge, your likely to get burned, so do it on your test box. Data lose is a PITA
[11:55] <neeto> n2diy: I understand... I'm not doing anything till I back up my data. At this point I am just trying to figure out if I actually need to switch
[11:55] <spmccann> user1 try this site http://www.aeceuro.co.uk/PowerCalculator/default.asp
[11:55] <chtri> once you got 4 gb of ram, 32-bit not for you anymore :D too bad i got 4 gb
[11:55] <neeto> n2diy: if for nothing else, I am doing this for nerd points, which I already have an abundance of.
[11:56] <DistroJockey> chtri: I'd stick with 32bit even with 4GB of RAM
[11:56] <maximiliano> hi
[11:56] <maximiliano> what's up?
[11:56] <neeto> Yeah I have 4GB of RAM, and it only cuts me down to 3.4GB... not that I ever use more than like 256MB
[11:57] <n2diy> neeto: Nerd Points!?! What are they worth? Maybe I can retire on mine? :)
[11:57] <DistroJockey> neeto: :)
[11:57] <maximiliano> Can ubuntu use 4GB of RAM?
[11:57] <axz> Hi there ppl, where is best place to find good icons for ubuntu desktop
[11:57] <ompaul> neeto, 32bit o/s will not see 4GB
[11:57] <SNuxoll> ompaul: uhm, yes it will
[11:57] <SNuxoll> the 32-bit memory limit is 4GB
[11:57] <XTeLiS_> yes
[11:57] <neeto> SNuxoll: It actually cuts me off at 3.4GB instead of the 4 I have installed
[11:57] <maximiliano> mmm... how can I do that?
[11:57] <ompaul> SNuxoll, I need to add a word to there
[11:58] <ompaul> neeto, 32bit o/s will not see over 4GB
[11:58] <maximiliano> ubuntu 64bit exist?
[11:58] <SNuxoll> ompaul: there we go :)
[11:58] <neeto> But again, it makes no difference
[11:58] <XTeLiS_> axz: deviantart.com
[11:58] <ompaul> !64bit | maximiliano
[11:58] <ubotu> maximiliano: AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[11:58] <SNuxoll> neeto: that's odd, you may have some bad ram
[11:58] <neeto> I don't need that much ram in the first place
[11:58] <neeto> I just have it to have it
[11:58] <mask> i need to know that there is a file in ubuntu that contains the linux shell commands history, can anyone tell me that where can it be found
[11:58] <SNuxoll> neeto: you might want to run memtest86 on that
[11:58] <maximiliano> but I have an Intel CPU...
[11:58] <maximiliano> not AMD64!
[11:58] <maximiliano> intel centrino 2core
[11:58] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: that's what EMT64 is
[11:58] <neeto> SNuxoll: are there any more advantages to using 64-bit archetecture?
[11:58] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: EMT64 == intel's AMD64
[11:59] <mask> i need to know that there is a file in ubuntu that contains the linux shell commands history, can anyone tell me that where can it be found
[11:59] <maximiliano> wow
[11:59] <SNuxoll> neeto: uhm, 8GB of memory, 64-bit math, that's it
[11:59] <maximiliano> understan
[11:59] <maximiliano> understand
[11:59] <SNuxoll> !repeat | mask
[11:59] <ubotu> mask: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:59] <neeto> SNuxoll: righto, thanks for saving me a whole lot of trouble with backup this much crap.
[11:59] <maximiliano> this is my fault and my ignorance
[11:59] <maximiliano> It's just a week that I passed from Winsucks to Ubuntu 7.10
[12:00] <n2diy> mask, .bashrc?
[12:00] <srodden> hmm, the script is working... just not through the launcher. Pesky thing.
[12:00] <mask> i dont know
[12:00] <axz> XTeLiS_, does the icons need to be svg extantion
[12:00] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: 'tis OK, at least you are having a easier time transitoning than I did, but I started using linux way back in 2000
[12:00] <mask> where can i found .bashrc ?
[12:00] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: in your ~
[12:00] <SNuxoll> err mask ^
[12:00] <maximiliano> I don't have much experience, you see...
[12:00] <SNuxoll> my tab complete is acting silly today
[12:01] <XTeLiS_> no idea
[12:01] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: only one way you can learn :)
[12:01] <n2diy> locate ./bashrc?
[12:01] <maximiliano> trying trying tryng?
[12:01] <maximiliano> that's THE way, right?
[12:01] <srodden> oh well, time to go play some games and think about this later. Thanks for the help, folks.
[12:01] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: and breaking your system a few times :P that's how I learned at least
[12:01] <maximiliano> ahaha ;-)
[12:01] <DistroJockey> be well srodden
[12:02] <javaJake> maximiliano: for the most part. you don't want to just DO things. :P
[12:02] <maximiliano> Indeed, my system breaks at least 10 times in 7six days...
[12:02] <javaJake> maximiliano: that happens if you follow a bad HOWTO. IMO the HOWTO section of Ubuntuforums needs to get cleaned up. :/
[12:03] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: sometimes I get bored to the point that I purposefully break my system, that's when you know you are getting good
[12:03] <maximiliano> thanks a lot, mate
[12:03] <javaJake> maximiliano: commands involving "make install" is a bad idea, for one thing. Using repositories besides the official ones can also very easily break your system.
[12:03] <javaJake> maximiliano: and if anyone tells you to fiddle with the kernel, well, forget it. ;)
[12:03] <maximiliano> wow, really you break purposefully your system?
[12:03] <javaJake> maximiliano: no, this is from experience. :D
[12:03] <SNuxoll> maximiliano: yeah, I miss having things not work :P
[12:04] <maximiliano> okay, copy that...
[12:04] <javaJake> haha
[12:04] <maximiliano> :P
[12:04] <Pirate_Hunter> where is the conky config file located? it isnt in /home/.conky at least the folder is not there
[12:04] <JyZyXEL> a CPU stress tool?
[12:04] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: ~/.conkyrc
[12:04] <maximiliano> thanks javaJake
[12:04] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: ~/ being the same as /home/username/
[12:04] <javaJake> maximiliano: yw
[12:05] <maximiliano> Now, I've to go, and get to work
[12:05] <maximiliano> SYL
[12:05] <maximiliano> I guess...
[12:05] <javaJake> SYL?...
[12:05] <maximiliano> see you later...
[12:05] <threefcata> how to force convmv to work when it spits out the error 'xxx doesn't cover all needed characters for ....‘？
[12:05] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: yes thats what i meant and i cant find that folder and yes hidden files are shown, im just wondering if the directory is different if using hardy 0_o but it shouldn't?
[12:05] <javaJake> maximiliano: heh, OK. :P
[12:06] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: which folder? /home? That's strange. Also, .conkyrc is created when you create it. Conky just uses default settings if it doesn't exist.
[12:06] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: are you talking about /home though?
[12:06] <Kurko> how i get jack sense work whit my laptop (asus f3ka)?
[12:06] <mask> in which file does ubutu maintains linux command shell history
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Pirate_Hunter: don't know about conky, but some apps have moved user config files to ~/.config
[12:07] <thoreauputic> mask: ~/.bash_history
[12:07] <javaJake> thoreauputic: yea, I hate when they do that. Really, rc files are much more fun. ;)
[12:07] <DistroJockey> !hardy
[12:07] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[12:07] <thoreauputic> mask: for each user
[12:07] <n2diy> I'm running Dapper, 6.06, and I'm considering an upgrade, suggestions?
[12:07] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: yeha i need to find the file/folder .conkyrc to change its settings and yeah its not the in /home/username/.
[12:07] <DistroJockey> n2diy: wait 12 days :)
[12:07] <SNuxoll> n2diy: wait for Hardy to be released
[12:07] <thoreauputic> javaJake: on the other hand, it kind of makes sense to put all that stuff in one directory
[12:07] <SNuxoll> n2diy: it'll be a straight upgrade
[12:08] <Sinnerman> oooh. only 12 days! :D
[12:08] <Pirate_Hunter> thoreauputic: #/.config was the first place i looked and its not there either
[12:08] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> javaJake: it's just confusing when you are used to the traditional way :)
[12:08] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: er, /home/$USER/ as in /home/<yourusernamehere>
[12:08] <javaJake> thoreauputic: I know I was jus' kidding
[12:08] <n2diy> DistroJockey: SNuxoll, Roger.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Pirate_Hunter: running out of ideas then :) Have you run conky yet? A lot of apps only place the dot files on first run...
[12:09] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: yes not there its not anywhere it should be, :/ whats the comamnd search for files/folder in terminal
[12:09] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: can you even log in?
[12:09] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: you can't login without a home directory. That's what's getting me
[12:09] <javaJake> At least, not if I recall correctly
[12:10] <javaJake> -not
[12:10] <filemile> well
[12:10] <filemile> you can login without home
[12:10] <filemile> but not graphical
[12:10] <javaJake> filemile: right right, that's what I meant
[12:10] <filemile> you have to use the console
[12:11] <filemile> javajake: ah sorry, just came back from lunch
[12:11] <javaJake> filemile: np
[12:12] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: i cna login i have the folders there except for conky i need to find where it was isntalled cause  i cnat find it :/
[12:12] <threefcata> how to force convmv to work when it spits out the error 'xxx doesn't cover all needed characters for ....‘？
[12:12] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: heh, as I said
[12:12] <Pirate_Hunter> what is the command to find files or folders in terminal, pfind doesnt seem to work but thats for puppy :(
[12:12] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: .conkyrc does NOT exist until YOU create it
[12:12] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: locate <filename>
 thank u!
[12:13] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: oh thats what you meant sorry ill create the file than
[12:13] <thoreauputic> mask: no worries :)
[12:13] <javaJake> *whew* glad we got that one straight. ;)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> javaJake: heh - that never occurred to me :) I don't use conky though...
[12:14] <rhandyk> I just installed a new cd-rom drive on my laptop, what do i need to do to make ubuntu recognize my new drive
[12:14] <rhandyk> the drive isn't working, presumably ubuntu is using the old driver
[12:15] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: if the file dont exist until i create it how does conky still work? i just dont get that...??
[12:15] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: .conkyrc is just a settings file
[12:15] <toto4> hi how change the sound volume on xbuntu ?
[12:15] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: if it doesn't exist, it'll just use its default settings
[12:15] <neogojira> conky m'a conquis
[12:15] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: .conkyrc let's you change those settings to customize conky to your liking
[12:16] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: conky probably has some settings stored in /etc or inside itself somewhere, but your .conkyrc can modify those just for you.
[12:16] <threefcata> anyone used convmv before?
[12:16] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: oh thats how, nice one more thing i learnt this morning well will make the file and see what happens
[12:16] <javaJake> !anyone
[12:16] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:17] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: good luck! :)
[12:17] <threefcata> how to force convmv to work when it spits out the error 'xxx doesn't cover all needed characters for ....‘？
[12:17] <threefcata> i asked several times..
[12:18] <Pirate_Hunter> !patience | threefcata
[12:18] <ubotu> threefcata: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:19] <DistroJockey> threefcata: maybe you shouldn't be looking for xxx related stuff
[12:19] <toto4> nobody have xubuntu ?
[12:20] <rhandyk> !noone
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about noone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <neogojira> If I install 8.04 beta, it is possible to apt-get upgrade to get 8.04 stable ?
[12:20] <Ziroday> neogojira: yes
[12:20] <rhandyk> when you install a new cd-rom drive, do you have to manually configure it in ubuntu?
[12:20] <neogojira> no need to edit sources.conf?
[12:20] <Ziroday> rhandyk: no
[12:20] <Ziroday> neogojira: no
[12:20] <neogojira> thx Ziroday
[12:21] <javaJake> threefcata: sometimes, if your problem is fairly unusual or very specific to your situation, no one around here will have had experience. You'll probably find better help at Ubuntu's forums or convmv's own forums or mailing lists.
[12:21] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: is .conkyrc a text file or does it have a different extension
[12:21] <Ziroday> neogojira: no problem :)
[12:21] <neogojira> :)
[12:21] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: it's a text file
[12:21] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: ok
[12:22] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: Linux ignores extensions for the most part and uses what's called MIME (or something close to that) to identify types of files. :)
[12:22] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: you can see this in action by writing "file <nameoffile>" in a terminal to find out what kind of file it is
[12:22] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: kk now i need to find what MIME is lol
[12:23] <FreakyFred> Hey, do you guys think you could help me with an installation problem? I am trying to install 7.10, but it always just goes directly to the terminal. I have tried a startx, but that just gives me a No screens found error. i am using an 8800gt with 2 connected monitors, bot with a DVI to VGA converter.
[12:24] <javaJake> Pirate_Hunter: it's not that big of a deal.
[12:24] <neogojira> FreakyFred, what about xorgconf?
[12:24] <FreakyFred> Neogojira, I am a comlete linux noob, could you please give more detailed instructions?
[12:24] <Pirate_Hunter> javaJake: maybe but than you know it and i dont :( and since im not doing much except for changing stuff in hardy ill take a look at it
[12:25] <neogojira> type xorgconf in a console/terminal and choose good settings that apply ur hardware
[12:25] <neogojira> search google for more info (Ubuntu xorgconf)
[12:26] <FreakyFred> It says command not found...
[12:26] <threefcata> DistroJockey: ???xxx related??
[12:27] <DistroJockey> threefcata: bad joke I guess
[12:28] <Erosion> !fonts
[12:28] <DistroJockey> threefcata: but thanks for replying 10 minutes later
[12:28] <Erosion> !fonts
[12:28] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[12:29] <threefcata> DistroJockey: was chatting in another channel...
[12:29] <rovell74> #ubuntu-it
[12:30] <UanRA> hi
[12:30] <hischild> so well, why would video's get visual corruption every few minutes, even though that the real video data is fine?
[12:31] <didy2> yoyo
[12:31] <Erosion> !get-started
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about get-started - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <didy2> if i installed ubuntu 8.04 beta now... can i upgrade to final version (without remove/install again) when final version out?
[12:31] <Erosion> Is there a link of things to do when you 1ST get ubuntu?
[12:31] <Erosion> didy2: yes.
[12:31] <Dr_willis> Erosion,  read the docs? :)
[12:32] <FreakyFred> hey, neogojira, did you mean xorg.conf?
[12:32] <Dr_willis> or do ya mean a Link On the desktop to things to read?
[12:32] <didy2> Erosion: yes so its possible?
[12:32] <mmm4m5m> Help: please please give me litle help with bash scripts. I have few simple questions. Is there better way to do this: new_line=$(echo -e "\n");
[12:33] <ikonia> mmm4m5m: you'll find solid help in #bash
[12:33] <sivang> hi all
[12:33] <sivang> does anybody know if the gutsy kernel comes with the frambuffer driver compiled in ?
[12:33] <mmm4m5m> ikonia: ok, 10x will try
[12:33] <didy2> another question: does ubuntu come with 1-click-install like suse for compiz fusion etc?
[12:33] <unop> mmm4m5m, that is the best way
[12:33] <Dr_willis> mmm4m5m,  a read of the advanced bash scripting guide will come in handy also.   You could just use the proper escape sequence.
[12:33] <tureseDOC> !list
[12:33] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:33] <ikonia> sivang: I think it does
[12:33] <neogojira> FreakyFred, sorry i meant xorgcfg / xorgconfig
[12:33] <sivang> i'm trying splashy and it keeps complaning that the framebuffer driver was not set up correctly
[12:33] <unop> mmm4m5m, or actually.  new_line=$'\n'
[12:34] <FreakyFred> thanks :)
[12:34] <ikonia> sivang: setup is not "not compiled" or missing
[12:34] <neogojira> FreakyFred, it is "auto"-config of xorg.conf file
[12:34] <unop> mmm4m5m, i don't see why you need to define a new variable like that when one already exists. $'\n'
[12:34] <sivang> when i add vga=791 to the kernel command line nothing changes for the good
[12:34] <sivang> ikonia: ^
[12:34] <sivang> ikonia: still the same error
[12:34] <ikonia> sivang: what do you mean "for good"
[12:34] <sivang> ikonia: i mean, make it work
[12:34] <ikonia> sivang: that should only effect the console
[12:35] <neogojira> np FreakyFred :)
[12:35] <ikonia> sivang: I can set different resolutions quite comfortably with vga=$
[12:35] <didy2> another question: does ubuntu come with 1-click-install like suse for compiz fusion etc?
[12:35] <ikonia> sivang: try vga=ask see what it comes back with
[12:35] <ikonia> didy2: open synaptic package manager and you'll see how easy it is
[12:35] <didy2> ok but that's the latest version?
[12:35] <ikonia> didy2: that latest version of what ?
[12:36] <didy2> compiz fusion that comes with synpatic
[12:36] <sivang> ikonia: why is /dev/fb# missing then if the driver is compiled into the kernel ?
[12:36] <ikonia> didy2: it's the latest packaged version for ubuntu 7.10
[12:36] <Cola> hi
[12:36] <sint> hey, i wanna burn something on dvd in k3b and it tells me that my filenames are to long. is there a way to fix this without loosing support to have it readable everywhere??
[12:36] <ikonia> sivang: I have no idea why it's not working for you
[12:36] <didy2> well i'm gonna try 8.04 beta, does it come with the latest version of compiz fusion?
[12:36] <ganastasiou_> anyone knows a good application to watch my ftp server?
[12:36] <ganastasiou_> to see my clients
[12:36] <sivang> ikonia: okay, i'll try vga=ask and see what happens
[12:37] <ikonia> didy2: no, it will come with the latest version of compiz-fusion package for ubuntu 8.04
[12:37] <sivang> I have a hunch the fbdev was not compiled in my stock kernel
[12:37] <ikonia> sivang: that is possible
[12:37] <sivang> ikonia: i thought it was not possibe since i'm using a stock kernel
[12:37] <sivang> ikonia: usplash works fine
[12:37] <ikonia> sivang: I mean it's possible it was not compiled in
[12:37] <didy2> i dont get you ikonia, sorry... so yes or no.. im confused
[12:37] <ikonia> sivang: if usplash is working, then it is in
[12:37] <Cola> i need help, when my monitor goes to standby i cannot turn it on anymore and all tasks in ubuntu stop working pls help
[12:38] <sivang> ikonia: i see, okay, i'll try vga=ask, thanks dude
[12:38] <ikonia> didy2: it is not the latest verson of compiz-fusion as that changes very fast. It is the latest version that has been package for ubuntu 8.04
[12:38] <didy2> ah
[12:38] <didy2> is there anyway to update it from synaptix?
[12:38] <ikonia> didy2: no, not until a later version of the ubuntu package is created
[12:39] <didy2> how about on opensuse? issit possible?
[12:39] <|Debian|> this is ubuntu
[12:39] <caneca> Hi folks
[12:39] <didy2> so which version of compiz fusion does 8.04 beta come with and 7.10 please...?
[12:39] <caneca> They can verify that is working: http://caneca.no-ip.org/ ?
[12:39] <dudeeee34> hello
[12:39] <ikonia> didy2: take a look
[12:39] <dudeeee34> i am new to ubuntu
[12:40] <dudeeee34> and i need some help
[12:40] <Cola> didy2: with 7.10 comes 0.6
[12:40] <ikonia> didy2: it's not possible in any distro that users package managment
[12:40] <sriramoman> where do i get gambas for ubuntu 7.10 x86_64
[12:40] <didy2> 8.04?
[12:40] <ikonia> sriramoman: is it not in the ubuntu repos ?
[12:40] <dudeeee34> can someone help me enable my wlan on my laptop on ubuntu
[12:40] <caneca> help-me :-(
[12:40] <ikonia> caneca: what's the problem ?
[12:40] <Cola> i need help, when my monitor goes to standby i cannot turn it on anymore and all tasks in ubuntu stop working pls help
[12:41] <heymr> when I connect to the network I am known as '(null)'
[12:41] <heymr> why?
[12:41] <caneca> ikonia, They can verify that is working: http://caneca.no-ip.org/ ?
[12:41] <heymr> my hostname is read as null at the dhcp client list
[12:41] <caneca> ikonia, I'm working the apache...
[12:41] <ikonia> caneca: why ? this is ubuntu support
[12:41] <caneca> ikonia, know
[12:42] <sriramoman> ikonia: in the ubuntu repos it says that there is no gambas version for my comp.
[12:42] <ikonia> caneca: it's not working
[12:42] <caneca> No?
[12:42] <ikonia> sriramoman: then you'd need an external repo
[12:42] <Cola> some1 help me pls
[12:42] <ikonia> Cola: does it respond to ctrl+alt+del
[12:42] <Cola> ikonia:  no
[12:42] <sriramoman> ikonia: i remember that in gambas itself there is a redirection where to get. but the redirected page got removed somewhere yesterday. or so.
[12:42] <ikonia> Cola: does the PC respond ?
[12:43] <didy2> how can i install compiz fusion 7.04 on ubuntu 8.04 please...
[12:43] <Cola> no
[12:43] <ikonia> sriramoman: ok
[12:43] <Dr_willis> !compiz | didy2
[12:43] <ubotu> didy2: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[12:43] <ikonia> Cola: ok, so your PC has not woke up then
[12:43] <ikonia> Cola: not the monitor
[12:43] <sriramoman> ikonia: is gambas installed in ur system/is it x86_64?
[12:43] <Dr_willis> didy2,  compiz is included by default on ubuntu. YOu may want to install the ccsm tool for extra features/control
[12:43] <ikonia> sriramoman: no
[12:43] <Cola> u thing my computer went to sleep?
[12:43] <ikonia> Cola: yes
[12:43] <Cola> possibly
[12:43] <ikonia> Cola: try pressing the power button to wake it
[12:43] <Cola> let me see
[12:44] <heymr> my hostname is read as null at the dhcp client list
[12:44] <Dr_willis> !info gambas2
[12:44] <ubotu> gambas2 (source: gambas2): Complete visual development environment for Gambas. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.49-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 53 kB, installed size 88 kB (Only available for i386)
[12:44] <Dr_willis> Interesting..   (Only available for i386)
[12:44] <Cola> but in power managment : put computer to sleep when is inactive for: NEVER
[12:45] <ikonia> Cola: one thing at a time,
[12:45] <Cola> ?
[12:45] <didy2> is xunbutu better?
[12:45] <ikonia> didy2: no
[12:45] <ikonia> didy2: it's a different desktop
[12:45] <Dr_willis> didy2,  depends on your needs.
[12:45] <ikonia> didy2: it's personal opinion
[12:45] <Cola> ikonia:  i dont understand
[12:45] <ikonia> Cola: find out if your desktop is asleep first
[12:45] <didy2> ok.. os what does xbuntu provide...
[12:45] <ikonia> didy2: xfce desktop
[12:45] <Cola> ikonia:  how?
[12:45] <didy2> xfce?
[12:46] <Dr_willis> the XFCE desktop is very useable its the default in xubuntu. You can easially install xubuntu-desktop and try it out
[12:46] <ikonia> didy2: http://www.ubuntu.com will introduce you to ubuntu
[12:46] <ikonia> Cola: press the power button ?
[12:46] <Cola> ok
[12:46] <dudeeee34> someone please help me
[12:46] <IdleOne> !anyone
[12:46] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:46] <ikonia> dudeeee34: what's up
[12:47] <bouma> hi
[12:47] <dudeeee34> i am new to ubuntu and i have a wlan key to enable my wireless
[12:47] <DistroJockey> Cola: does pressing   alt+f2   get you to a terminal?
[12:47] <IdleOne> morning ikonia
[12:47] <dudeeee34> but know when i press it it wont turn on
[12:47] <ikonia> morning
[12:47] <Cola> no
[12:47] <bouma> the ubuntu bootloader has stopped me booting into xp
[12:47] <bouma> what should i do
[12:47] <XTeLiS_> is it a dell ?
[12:47] <ikonia> bouma: what is the error it gives you
[12:47] <Cola> alt+f2 is for run
[12:47] <XTeLiS_> format /windows
[12:48] <ikonia> XTeLiS_: what ?
[12:48] <ikonia> XTeLiS_: why have you said that ?
[12:48] <XTeLiS_> who needs xp
[12:48] <ikonia> XTeLiS_: that is not advice, and not something we should offer as advice
[12:48] <IdleOne> XTeLiS_: please dont give out harmful commands
[12:48] <unop> XTeLiS_, please refrain from saying things like that, this is a support channel
[12:48] <XTeLiS_> get linux XP2008 or ubuntu vista 2008
[12:48] <DistroJockey> Cola: do the leds say it's running?
[12:48] <dudeeee34> anyone?
[12:48] <gogeta> XTeLiS_ ?
[12:48] <bouma> ikonia: windows could not start bacause the following file is missing
[12:48] <bouma> <windows root>\system32\hal.dll or corrupt
[12:48] <bouma> please reinstall a copy of the above files.
[12:48] <Cola> nothing
[12:48] <XTeLiS_> sorry
[12:48] <ikonia> XTeLiS_: please don't behave like that in this channel
[12:48] <Cola> its just black screen
[12:49] <ikonia> bouma: thats nothing to o with grub
[12:49] <Cola> like he went to sleep
[12:49] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: normally you can do that all in networkmanager
[12:49] <ikonia> bouma: your windows install appears corrupted
[12:49] <dudeeee34> where is that?
[12:49] <bouma> ikonia: perhaps not todo with grub
[12:49] <XTeLiS_> doood... your toast if your hal is messed up
[12:49] <dudeeee34> where is network manager?
[12:49] <Cola> but in power managment option for sleep is never
[12:49] <DistroJockey> Cola: sorry, meant ctrl+alt+f2
[12:49] <bouma> ikonia: but my xp was completely fine before i installed 7.10 from a cd
[12:49] <bouma> ikonia: it _IS_ the result of installing ubuntu
[12:49] <ikonia> bouma: did you resize the disk to install ubuntu ?
[12:49] <bouma> ikonia: no
[12:50] <bouma> ikonia: i did an advanced .. partition option
[12:50] <XTeLiS_> thats the problem with hal....
[12:50] <ikonia> bouma: and you didn't resize/alter any of the partitions ?
[12:50] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: if you have a graphical interface, there should be an icon
[12:50] <unop> bouma, this is not a grub error message but a message returned to you by the windows bootloader .. do you even get to the grub screen (before you get this message)
[12:50] <unop> ?
[12:50] <dudeeee34> yea but i tried
[12:50] <bouma> ikonia: i chose a new partition in the unused space and did not alter any existing partition, i had planned this for several days
[12:50] <dudeeee34> i just need to turn on my wlan
[12:50] <Cola> DistroJockey: ill try it
[12:50] <Cola> idk
[12:51] <dudeeee34> but its button wont do anything
[12:51] <gogeta>  bouma well its a unrealted error then just bad luck
[12:51] <bouma> ikonia: i observed the option to install grub on (hd0) which i thought was ok. it picked up xp and added it to the boot menu, but it wont boot
[12:51] <DistroJockey> Cola: if it doesn't work, I'll tell you a good way to reboot
[12:51] <didy2> so how do i install compiz fusion 0.74 on hardy heron........
[12:51] <unop> gogeta, try and be supportive :)
[12:51] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: if you enabled it by hardware, try typing: sudo network-admin
[12:51] <bouma> gogeta: its not unrelated
[12:51] <ikonia> bouma: ok, first thing to do is remove grub from the equasion. Use a Windows disk and put the windows boot loader back on the mbr
[12:51] <gogeta>  bouma hal dll is normaly killed by a infection
[12:51] <dudeeee34> where do i type it?
[12:51] <PriceChild> where is the icedtea executable?
[12:52] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: in a terminal
[12:52] <dudeeee34> thankyou
[12:52] <trask> my ubuntu crashes like 10 times daily, is there a log somewhere where i can track the malfunction and stop it?
[12:52] <unop> PriceChild, which icedtea; whereis icedtea #?
[12:52] <gogeta>  bouma if you can get safe mode maybe you can do a restore point
[12:52] <bouma> gogeta: ... yeah i follow you, but if the partition was booting fine. installing grub wouldnt change anything
[12:52] <didy2> so how do i install compiz fusion 0.74 on hardy heron........
[12:53] <Peanut> Hi - I have a machine (Intel C2duo) with 4GB of RAM but meminfo only shows 3.6GB. Is this a limitation of the chipset, or the kernel (running 7.10/2.6.22-14-generic) ?
[12:53] <PriceChild> unop: i think it seems to be in /usr/share after a dpkg -L
[12:53] <XTeLiS_> dudeeee34:  y0 ....
[12:53] <dudeeee34> what
[12:53] <gogeta>  bouma no it wouldent but if windows was aruldy was messed up and it just showed up now
[12:53] <DistroJockey> !hardy | didy2
[12:53] <ubotu> didy2: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[12:53] <dudeeee34> ?
[12:53] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me how i cna fix this error message http://pastebin.com/m6383db59 and why it shows?
[12:53] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: did it work?
[12:53] <unop> PriceChild, it could be, but /usr/share isnt usually in your $PATH variable, so icedtea is probably invoked by something else then
[12:53] <XTeLiS_> are you on a dell ?
[12:53] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: or did you see your wlan at least?
[12:53] <PriceChild> maybe not
[12:54] <dudeeee34> no
[12:54] <dudeeee34> my wlan has a button that i can click on my laptop
[12:54] <XTeLiS_> is it a broadcom controller ?
[12:54] <dudeeee34> it is now turned off and i cant turn it on
[12:54] <bouma> ikonia: gogeta sounds like a troll. but seriously.. ive never ever had this problem installing grub manually. this i the first time ive installed ubuntu cause i need a fortran compiler quickly
[12:54] <gogeta>  bouma if you can get to safe mode try a restore might reverse the damage
[12:54] <PriceChild> unop: unop maybe /usr/lib then.. :)
[12:54] <unop> PriceChild, whereis ought to tell you .. have you tried it yet?
[12:54] <XTeLiS_> you need to update the firmware
[12:54] <XTeLiS_> for the controller
[12:54] <PriceChild> unop: its not in path
[12:54] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: try typing 'dmesg' into your terminal and then the button
[12:55] <XTeLiS_> jo_r_http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view
[12:55] <unop> PriceChild, whereis does not act on $PATH .. it works differently
[12:55] <unop> bouma, do you have a windows CD handy?
[12:55] <dudeeee34> it gave me a bunch of error
[12:55] <gogeta>  bouma thin what you will but hal.dll is unrealted frim anything grub or ubuntu
[12:55] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me how i cna fix this error message http://pastebin.com/m6383db59 and why it shows when using command gksudo nautilus?
[12:55] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: did it tell you what kind of card you have?
[12:55] <chimp> Is there a command that will allow me to see the indivual core usage of an intel quad core
[12:56] <bouma> gogeta: i can strongly suggest that this is a genuine bug. im happy to dd seek some sector to help resolve it .. but yeah i do have a xp cd and im about to use it
[12:56] <dudeeee34> no
[12:56] <dudeeee34> lemme check
[12:56] <bouma> unop: yes ive got an xp cd
[12:56] <dudeeee34> no
[12:56] <gogeta>  bouma if you think its grub then why not use the supergrub cd and remove it
[12:57] <didy2> hahhahahahha
[12:57] <bouma> unop: i can get my xp working most likely.. i guess i can reboot into the livecd and do grub manually
[12:57] <jagggy> hey guys, how do i get 4 desktops instead of 2 ?
[12:57] <bouma> ok fine
[12:57] <bouma> but this is a bug
[12:57] <PriceChild> unop: makes sense, i don't really know what its called though, only used it as mozilla plugin before :)
[12:57] <bouma> perhaps i should go with 8.04
[12:57] <PriceChild> jagggy: right click the workspace switcher bottom right... sure youc an guess from there ;)
[12:57] <dudeeee34> ah man
[12:57] <unop> bouma, ok, what i recommend you do is boot off the XP cd, get to the recovery console and attempt to fix the windows bootloader first (i think fixboot/fixmbr do it, ask in #windows if that doesnt get you anywhere) .. once that is done and you have XP working fine, boot the ubuntu CD and repair grub ..
[12:58] <kittykitty> I am trying to use the vmware-player package, during the installation it gives error "Module vmnet is not loaded..." and trying modprobe vmnet reports module not found.
[12:58] <jagggy> PriceChild, ty allot, searchd it for ages :s
[12:58] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: i had some problems with my wireless and it normally helped to reboot and having the wireless turned on for it. otherwise - no idea, sorry
[12:58] <dudeeee34> ok ill try it
[12:58] <dudeeee34> but ubuntu deleted my windows side
[12:58] <gogeta> unop only thing hes gonna do is make the pc compleatly unbootable
[12:58] <kittykitty> anyone have history with this issue that can offer a quick kick in the right direction?
[12:58] <dudeeee34> so that sucks
[12:58] <gogeta> lol
[12:59] <kyrandesa> dudeeee34: if you don't tell it to do so, it shouldn't do it
[12:59] <gogeta> bouma acully now that i think if it i bet the partation table cruppted
[12:59] <unop> PriceChild, you didnt say if whereis returned anything.. anyway, all else failing.. try these two.  locate icedtea | grep -i "/bin/"; find / -iname "*icedtea*" -type f | grep -i "/bin/"
[12:59] <dudeeee34> arite thanks for the help
[13:00] <dudeeee34> ill give it a try
[13:00] <unop> gogeta, can you please be supportive and contribute positively? if not, then refrain from saying anything, that's easy enough.
[13:00] <gogeta> unop lol that was
[13:00] <kittykitty> ok guess not, back to beating the forum for answers
[13:00] <gogeta> unop he used his own tools it may have botched up the partation
[13:01] <bouma> unop: yes, true, sorry to sound bitchy.. well .. hey i had heard from someone that ubuntu overwrote the bootloader with disastrous results and then it happened to me... not so good. and really, as someone who came from linux from scratch before gentoo existed then used gentoo for many years, ie from 98+ using custom compile flags to get 233mhz lappys to decode fullscreen divx .. only to defer to a more instant distro now that im in a hurry
[13:01] <unop> bouma, does grub boot linux ok?
[13:01] <bouma> unop: yeah linux is booting fine, but xp will no longer boot
[13:02] <|Debian|> what a shame.
[13:02] <|Debian|> lol :P
[13:02] <kittykitty> lol
[13:02] <unop> bouma, ok, what steps did you take exactly to get grub to boot XP? if you can !pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[13:02] <bouma> meh
[13:03] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0 and eth0:avah.
[13:03] <|Debian|> bouma: add xp to grub ?
[13:03] <bouma> unop: grub wont boot xp
[13:03] <kittykitty> bouma grub boots xp fine for me
[13:03] <bouma> unop: xp is an option, the menu item is something like, root (hd0,1) , chainloader+
[13:03] <PriceChild> update-alternatives --config java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/bin/java
[13:03] <Dr_willis> The grub menu.lst had an example to boot windows on the first hard drive. i recall.
[13:03] <PriceChild> unop: ^
[13:04] <bouma> kittykitty: yeah of course, its just this specific instance where i had xp working fine and then installed 70.10
[13:04] <gogeta> hda 0,0
[13:04] <unop> PriceChild, so does that answer your question then? :)
[13:04] <kittykitty> are you still trying to resolve the issue bouma? i can probably help you if you want
[13:04]  * |Debian| is running 6.10 with PPC
[13:05] <PriceChild> unop: yup
[13:05] <gogeta> Debian :-(
[13:05] <unop> PriceChild, cool :)
[13:05] <SpAc> tried a lot of different solutions but having a hard time getting Hardy to run nicely under VMWare. Anyone else had experiences?
[13:05] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0 and eth0:avah. eth0:avah does have an inet addr, bcast and mask, but nothing works
[13:05] <|Debian|> gogeta:  it owns :P
[13:05] <unop> !hardy | SpAc
[13:05] <ubotu> SpAc: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:06] <|Debian|> uhm.
[13:06] <bouma> ok sure, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[13:06] <bouma> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[13:06] <bouma> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
[13:06] <bouma> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[13:06] <bouma> Disk identifier: 0xe001e001
[13:06] <bouma>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[13:06] <FloodBot2> bouma: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:06] <SpAc> unop, sorry
[13:06] <|Debian|> 8.04 support PC ?
[13:06] <|Debian|> ROFL
[13:06] <danijel> klkk
[13:06] <danijel> was
[13:06] <SpookyET> How do you override gnome theme settings? I've tried ~/.gtkrc or ~/.gtkrc-2.0 but, it doesn't work?
[13:06] <unop> bouma, use a !pastebin please
[13:06] <kittykitty> use paste bin bouma :D
[13:06] <danijel> hello was
[13:07] <danijel> Danije Slovenia Linux
[13:07] <kittykitty> or just type slower !
[13:07] <bouma> title           Microsoft Windows XP Professional; root            (hd0,1); savedefault; makeactive; chainloader  +1
[13:07] <unop> kittykitty, pastebin preferred over spamming anyday :)
[13:07] <kongove> grub
[13:07] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0 and eth0:avah. eth0:avah does have an inet addr, bcast and mask, but nothing works. I've tried filling the ip, subnet mask and gateway addr into the network settings, but still nothing
[13:08] <|Debian|> sweet .. 8.04 is supporting PPC
[13:08] <gogeta> unop shoudent that be hd0,0
[13:08] <t1n0m3n> are realplayer files possible to play on 7.10 x64?  I can't seem to find some x64 codecs.  any help would be appreciated
[13:08] <kittykitty> bouma what does it say when grub is trying to boot that option?
[13:08] <|Debian|> t1n0m3n: xmms ?
[13:08] <unop> gogeta, it probably should be, but that depends if XP is on the first primary partition or not
[13:08] <didy2> ok i delete suse partitions.. leaving me with a FREE SPACE and UNALLOCATED partitions.. how can i merge them or issit ok? im gonna install ubuntu now!
[13:09] <bouma> kittykitty: it says, windows could not start because the following file is missing
[13:09] <bouma> <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt
[13:09] <bouma> please reinstall a copy of the above files.
[13:09] <unop> bouma, is XP on the first primary partition?
[13:09] <|Debian|> didy2: YOU GO BOY !!
[13:09] <t1n0m3n> |Debian|: Let me try that
[13:09] <|Debian|> =)
[13:09] <kittykitty> bouma: did you resize your partitions or move the xp one to a logical drive ?
[13:10] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0, which does have an inet addr, bcast and mask, but nothing works. I've tried filling the ip, subnet mask and gateway addr into the network settings, but still nothing
[13:10] <kittykitty> I migrated my xp  partitions over to a larger hd with linux infront of it, and had the same problems
[13:10] <gogeta> kittykitty lol if he moved xp we found the ssue windows dies if you do that
[13:10] <bouma> unop: yes, well you see i installed xp just before ubuntu. and xp's convoluted partition config proggy forced an 8meg empty partition before the xp partition no matter how hard i tried to force it to be at the start
[13:11] <kittykitty> bouma paste bin your fdisk -l so we can see it :D
[13:11] <Dr_willis> bouma,  seen that 8mb thing befor.. :)   thats why i always partition disks with a linux live cd.
[13:11] <bouma> kittykitty: haha
[13:11] <sorin> irssi seems useful, but it feels like 80s using it
[13:11] <gogeta> bouma you leave that 8meg empty alone
[13:11] <bouma> Dr_willis: its like lvms or something..
[13:11] <t1n0m3n> |Debian|: Looks like there is a rplay codec included, thanks a bunch
[13:11] <unop_> boubbin, if what you are saying is true -- then hd0,1 does not reflect the partition XP is on, it ought to be hd0,0
[13:11] <gogeta> bouma it still would be hd0,0
[13:11] <|Debian|> t1n0m3n: no problem
[13:11] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0, which does have an inet addr, bcast and mask, but nothing works. I've tried filling the ip, subnet mask and gateway addr into the network settings, but still nothing
[13:12] <|Debian|> what PHP editors are there around ?
[13:12] <kittykitty> gogeta, he's getting the right error from xp booting, so he's pointing at the right partition, he's just having an xp issue right now
[13:12] <bouma> gogeta: yes, i left it alone
[13:12] <the_herby> does anyone know how to skip a fdisk at boot time? for example when the day period kicks in and you just restarted a importand box.. that should come up quickly again
[13:12] <bouma> kittykitty: very cute telling me im having an xp error. but it didnt exist before i put this ubuntu cd in my computer
[13:12] <unop_> kittykitty, hd0,1 does not point to the first partition (which i believe is the partition which XP is on in his case)
[13:13] <sonystar_147537> moin
[13:13] <gogeta> kittykitty sounds like its cruppted 90% of the time hal.dll = dead windows
[13:13] <bicho> hi guys, first time here
[13:13] <icesword> ?
[13:13] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0, which does have an inet addr, bcast and mask, but nothing works. I've tried filling the ip, subnet mask and gateway addr into the network settings, but still nothing
[13:13] <dudeeee34> my problem is kinda solved
[13:14] <bicho> just installed and audio is not working ... any work around or tip ?
[13:14] <kittykitty> hal.dll error is because your xp partition is in a non standard location, if you put it into a primary partition that is too far from the start of the disk it will do it
[13:14] <bouma> ok guys i shall reboot and use the xp 'repair' option. and then i will boot into the live cd .. tell me is pidgin on the live cd ?
[13:14] <dudeeee34> i got the wlan working now how do i connect to a wireless network?
[13:14] <unop_> bouma, do us a favour and try this out (no harm in it) - change "root  (hd0,1)"  to  "root   (hd0,0)" for the XP entry in your menu.lst
[13:14] <bouma> unop: ok i can do that too.. but btw, is pigin on the livecd ?
[13:14] <gogeta> kittykitty now i knoe thers a way around that
[13:14] <unop_> bouma, pidgin is available yes
[13:15] <dudeeee34> how do i connect to a wireless network?
[13:15] <unop_> bouma, but do try this out first, i have a feeling it ought to do the job
[13:15] <tobizaz> Hi, im having problems getting the nvidia driver to work.. tried the restricted drivers management,but when starting x it gives the error "failed to initiialize the nvidia graphics device".
[13:15] <bouma> unop: ok i'll try .. right
[13:15] <the_herby> bouma: pidgin should be on the live cd, as far as i remember.
[13:15] <bouma> unop: ok so ..  sudo nano /etc/grub/menu.lst ?
[13:15] <unop_> bouma, sure
[13:15] <bouma> unop:ok
[13:15] <Prefix> whats the gksudo command for KDE?
[13:16] <kittykitty> and can you pastebin your fdisk as well?
[13:16] <unop_> Prefix, kdesu
[13:16] <Prefix> ty
[13:16] <dudeeee34> can anyone help me?
[13:16] <Ehlyah> Trying to set up a wired internet connection (desktop to router), but it won't work. network monitor says the interface does not exist. Ifconfig gives me eth0, which does have an inet addr, bcast and mask, but nothing works. I've tried filling the ip, subnet mask and gateway addr into the network settings, but still nothing
[13:16] <unop_> dudeeee34, have you had a look at !wireless
[13:16] <unop_> ?
[13:16] <dudeeee34> at what?
[13:16] <unop_> !wireless | dudeeee34
[13:16] <ubotu> dudeeee34: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:17] <gogeta> kittykitty even better move that empty 8meg to the end of the disk repair grub he shouldbe good to go
[13:17] <dudeeee34> thankyou
[13:17] <Dr_willis> moveing an empty partition? :)
[13:17] <gogeta> yyea
[13:17] <unop_> Ehlyah, is the interface even brought up? can you ping your interface's address? how about the gateway's/routers's?
[13:17] <gogeta> a xp hal.dill error
[13:18] <Peanut> I have a machine (Intel C2duo) with 4GB of RAM but meminfo only shows 3.6GB. Is this a limitation of the chipset, or the kernel (running 7.10/2.6.22-14-generic) ?
[13:18] <Dr_willis> Peanut,  a bit of both.
[13:18] <kittykitty> if you got the time and know how to use google, just use partition magic :P
[13:18] <Ehlyah> unop_: it isn't brought up and I can't ping anything
[13:18] <tobizaz> Hi, im having problems getting the nvidia driver to work.. tried the restricted drivers management,but when starting x it gives the error "failed to initiialize the nvidia graphics device". im using an nvidia 7000 card on kubuntu 7.10
[13:19] <bicho> any idea over my audio problem ?
[13:19] <unop_> Ehlyah, what i meant was - sudo sh -c "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
[13:19] <Dr_willis> Peanut,  technicially you need to use a 64bit disrto to access over 4gb of ram.. BUT the machines bios/other hardware  can take away from the mazimum of 4gb of addressable space that a 32bit os can access.
[13:19] <hischild> tobizaz, join #kubuntu for support with kubuntu
[13:19] <timucin> Hi, can anybody givve me a hint how to transfer my kubuntu installation from one hard disk to another hard disk. My disk is failing and I do not want to setup from start, I'd like to copy all my disk to another new disk.
[13:19] <Dr_willis> Peanut,  with 64bit os  you still may not access all 4gb in your case.
[13:19] <kittykitty> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62919/
[13:19] <kittykitty> after being familiarized with the hal.dll error, thats how i've always done my dual boot systems
[13:20] <Peanut> Dr_willis: Ah, thanks - I knew I should never have switched away from UltraSparc ;-) Unfortunately, the application I run isn't available for 64bit Linux (at least not for free).
[13:20] <Dr_willis> Peanut,  i dont bother with 64bit linux anyway. :)
[13:20] <Juje007> How can I change the font size from the login screen
[13:20] <unop_> timucin, you can use dd in this fashion.  sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=8192 #but make sure that the second harddrive is as big as the first and has nothing on it, also make sure you have the right device names
[13:20] <Ehlyah> unop_: no dhcpoffers received and sleeping
[13:21] <unop_> Ehlyah, sounds like you haven't got a static IP address setup for that interface
[13:21] <srodden> Hello again. How do I set an env var such that it affects apps I launch within X? I added my export line to .bashrc but that doesn't seem to have worked.
[13:21] <unop_> Ehlyah, can you use a !pastebin (don't paste in here) and show us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[13:22] <Ehlyah> unop_: no, because I changed it. I've put it back to static now, I'll try again
[13:22] <kakoonia> Hi.. Im trying to use two screens together.. and i cant find a way to make one screen to be one side of my cube, any1 got a good idea of how to work that out, or maybe even give another way (better) to use two screens on ubuntu? :))
[13:22] <Juje007> How can I change the font size from the login screen
[13:22] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  dual+ screen setups make the cube rather pathic looking.
[13:22] <unop_> srodden, did you log X out and log back in?
[13:22] <timucin> unop_, My old failing drive is 160GB and the new drive is only 80GB, but I have only 50GB on the old drive. When I googled this, from the dd manual, I have to have the same hard disk to be able to copy.
[13:22] <bouma> hey
[13:22] <srodden> I did, yes.
[13:22] <sriramoman> how do i add medibuntu repository?
[13:23] <Oli``> !medibuntu
[13:23] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[13:23] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  when you have 2 Widescreen monitors like i got.. the cube even looks worse. :) then again.. i hate that useless cube
[13:23] <bouma> ok i changed it from root(hd0,1) to hd(0,0).. and then i got.. error 12: invalid device requested press any key to continue
[13:23] <Ehlyah> unop_: interface eth0 not configured, siocaddrt no such process, failed to bring up eth0
[13:23] <balle_> what does the "enable roaming mode" in the internet sittings do?
[13:24] <livingdaylight> is there a short-cut for launching terminal? like alt+cntr 't'?
[13:24] <srodden> Balle, turns on DHCP instead of static addressing.
[13:24] <bouma> ikonia: ok i can claim some responsibility for what could be a stupid situation.. but still i think its a valid corner case and i want to help solve what i belive is a bug
[13:24] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  you could add one if you wanted.
[13:24] <kakoonia> Dr_willis : i thought its a good way of using the two screens, i got a laptop + lcd, how do you work your screens out? now its configured as Separate X-screens
[13:24] <unop_> Ehlyah, can you use a !pastebin (don't paste in here) and show us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[13:24] <t1n0m3n> Hmm, xmms doesnt seem to want to play real play files either
[13:24] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis, how, please? i don't appear to have a shortcut in place as it is...
[13:25] <livingdaylight> is there not a default shortcut?
[13:25] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  i tend to keep a few terminals, and  video playing on the right hand monitor.. OR i keep xchat over there. if im watching vidoes on the main monitor.
[13:25] <balle_> srodden: but you can use that as well
[13:25] <bouma> ikonia:i realised something after rebooting.. i only had the cd as the first boot option and no other boot option selected. but the xp cd goes onto the hdd if you dont press a key, .. so im not sure if this confused the ubuntu install routine
[13:25] <unop_> timucin, what you can do then is copy the partition table over to the new disk with dd and do the rest via rsync or tar/rsync .. are you familiar with how to do this?
[13:25] <timucin> is there any way to copy ubuntu installation from one disk to another disk? My disk is failing and I do not want to setup again.
[13:25] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  check the gnome settings - i dont use gnome so cant guide you. I tend to just put an icon onthe panel for a terminal. :)  of course I always have a terminal or 3 open anyway
[13:26] <unop_> timucin, and you need to do all this offline i.e. from within a LiveCD
[13:26] <srodden> unop: yes I relogged but when I launched, the variable hadn't taken effect. Is there a special place in .bashrc I need to add customisations?
[13:26] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: so what you mean, is that you use a wide desktop, that when you got with the crusor to right(on left screen) it passes to the right screen?
[13:26] <balle_> what does the "enable roaming mode" in the internet sittings do?
[13:26] <timucin> unop_, I'm not familiar with rrsync or dd.
[13:26] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis, thx... i was hoping for some gnome support in #ubuntu of course :)
[13:26] <kakoonia> when you go**
[13:26] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  basicially.
[13:26] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  im in #kubuntu also. :P
[13:26] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: Thanks bro..
[13:26] <unop_> srodden, are you sure the variable is exported properly - open up a terminal and do this .  echo $VARIABLE
[13:26] <timucin> and after reding dd manual, I get scared. (I read somewhere mention dd being disk destroyer)
[13:27] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis, you're everywhere! :D
[13:27] <thoreauputic> timucin: there's a "Ghost for Linux" - ggogle it ( haven't used it for years but it is probably around still)
[13:27] <unop_> timucin, how many partitions does the first disk have?
[13:27] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  in #ubuntu+1 also. :P
[13:27] <bouma> kittykitty: hey
[13:27] <kittykitty> bouma:yes?
[13:27] <timucin> it has two partitions. one /  (root) and one /home partition.
[13:27] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: just one more thing, on my left screen i have all the installed components, and on the other, its like a fresh install.. how do i change that to be the same on the two screens?
[13:27] <bouma> kittykitty: well i changed my grub item just by pressing 'e' and editing the one line
[13:27] <kittykitty> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62919/
[13:28] <balle_> what does the "enable roaming mode" in the internet sittings do?
[13:28] <srodden> unop: yes it correclty reports "0".
[13:28] <unop_> timucin, you could do like thoreauputic says and use G4L .. it probably does all this easier
[13:28] <Ehlyah> unop_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62920/
[13:28] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  fresh install?  On my right side screen is the desktop also. I can drag icons/panels/whatever over there.
[13:28] <kittykitty> ok, did it solve your issue at all, (cause grub was booting xp fine from what i heard of you, it was an xp issue)
[13:28] <Rabbitbunny> What's the button to un-fullscreen xterm? It's not listed when it's full screen.
[13:28] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: like, if i got some try icons on left screen, they dont show up on the right screen
[13:28] <bouma> kittykitty: but it didnt fix it.. after trying to boot (hd0,0) i got error 12: invalid device requested
[13:28] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  you dont have somtning cofigured then like I do
[13:28] <kakoonia> tray
[13:28] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  you can drag windows from one screen to the other?
[13:28] <kittykitty> bouma can you paste bin your menu.lst and fdisk -l output?
[13:28] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: ye i guess.. im trying to figure out what
[13:29] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: ye
[13:29] <kittykitty> i have 15Min before i have to leave, just a heads up
[13:29] <srodden> unop, but when I launch my app, it seems that that it has not.
[13:29] <unop> srodden, whats the exact command you placed in ~/.bashrc ?
[13:29] <FreakyFred> hey guys, could you help me out, I am installing 7.10 and X isn't detecting my monitor.
[13:29] <bouma> kittykitty: no grub was not booting xp fine. xp was booting fine before i installed ubuntu into the new 2nd partition in the empty space after the first partiont with xp
[13:29] <srodden> export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0
[13:29] <bouma> kittykitty: now xp wont boot at all
[13:29] <kakoonia> Dr_willis : i got nvidia, how did you set it to work, separate x screens?
[13:30] <kittykitty> bouma, do you get to the "windows is now loading" screen?
[13:30] <srodden> unop, I placed it just after the "if not running interactively" statment.  I am trying to get my DV working as a webcam. I am following instruction I found... only I got a problem. I can't download "DV4Linux". (http://developer.berlios.de/projects/dv4l/) the site dosn't work from my internet connection. It it's not too much trouble could someone check if they can access it.  Now I'll try G4L. I think this will solve my problem.
[13:31] <kittykitty> is this on a different machine that you can play with right now bouma?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> kakoonia,  dont worry.. im going to sleep soon. :P
[13:31] <bouma> kittykitty: no this is only one machine that im using now
[13:31] <unop> srodden, i'm not sure what you are referring to .. but this needs to be in the 'interactive' section
[13:31] <kittykitty> oh, well, if you want to see that xp is booting and that it is a partition limitation error with windows xp
[13:31] <t1n0m3n> Any other ideas on how to get real play files to play on 7.10 x64?  I can't seem to get xmms to play real media files
[13:31] <bouma> kittykitty: but it reboots easily enough, just hold the button and <1min later its cyclesd
[13:31] <kittykitty> you can go in and edit the file ... lemme find it
[13:32] <bouma> kittykitty: the menu.lst ?
[13:32] <unop> srodden, and what app needs this env. var?
[13:32] <Ehlyah> unop_: network monitor lets me get to it now
[13:32] <bouma> kittykitty: no, i just used 'e' to change the menu.lst live during the boot. and it didnt help
[13:32] <FritZ_cO> woi
[13:32] <kittykitty> no on your xp partition
[13:32] <srodden> unop, the var stops a bug with mouse operation of XP running under KVM. I am executing KVM with a launcher containing "sudo kvm blah blah"
[13:32] <kittykitty> change your boot.ini file so it doesn't autoboot winxp
[13:32] <dsdsd> hi
[13:33] <kittykitty> just comment out the default line at the bottom
[13:33] <bouma> kittykitty: oh hrm.. wack
[13:33] <bouma> kittykitty: i wonder
[13:33] <kittykitty> then you'll see that the ntldr is loading or not
[13:33] <kittykitty> and you'll see that this is infact a xp limitation
[13:34] <t1n0m3n> ahh, ok, I can play real media files... just not play lists.  So I guess that is good enough.
[13:34] <unop> srodden, the user's env. vars are not exported to a root env. under sudo that way.. you'll need to do this.  sudo sh -c "VAR=foo kvm blah blah"
[13:35] <kittykitty> can you find the boot.ini on your windows partition ?
[13:35] <srodden> unop, you're worth more money :) Thank you.
[13:35] <unop> Ehlyah, so i'm assuming you're ok now?
[13:35] <Ehlyah> unop: still not connecting
[13:36] <Ehlyah> unop: I can get to the interface, but it still won't actually let me connect to the internet
[13:36] <kittykitty> anyways bouma, if you want to fix the problem, you'll have to re-partition or atleast reorganize your partitions better for winblows
[13:37] <didy> OMG
[13:37] <SNuxoll> didy: nani?
[13:37] <kittykitty> i suggest partition magic if you want to retain the info on your hd, i've never had success with linux tools
[13:37] <unop> Ehlyah, ok, if i read your interfaces file right? you have a configuration mismatch, you have the wrong IP address assigned to that interface
[13:37] <bicho> still here no sound on a fresh install
[13:37] <unop> Ehlyah, this one i mean. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62920/
[13:37] <bicho> any idea ?
[13:37] <Unipz> (EE) fglrx(0) Given depth (8) is not supported by fglrx driver (EE) fglrx(0): PreInitVisual failed SetVBEMode failed (EE) fglrx(0) PreInit failed (II) fglrx(0) --- [atiddxPreInit] --- end (II) Unload module "fglrx" (II) UnloadModule: "vgahw" (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libvgahw.so (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found
[13:38] <SNuxoll> !paste | Unipz
[13:38] <ubotu> Unipz: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[13:38] <Ehlyah> unop: so how do I get a new one? I didn't assign it manually. It just sort of... popped out of nowhere
[13:38] <unop> Ehlyah, change the line "address <IP_ADDRESS>" to something like "address <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:38] <srodden> unop: That particular method doesn't seem to be working. Can I add the xport to the .bashrc in /root and have the same effect?
[13:39] <Ehlyah> unop: in the network monitor's interface? (just making sure)
[13:39] <Unipz> http://pastebin.com/m6fb1cfd2
[13:39] <unop> Ehlyah, you can do it there or edit the interfaces file
[13:40] <Pelo> anyone else in eastern north america find their clock one hour ahead ?
[13:40] <Der_GummiBaer> Hey =)
[13:40] <unop> Ehlyah, hmm, sudo doesn't read the root's ~/,bashrc file .. maybe ~/.bash_profile tho, try it out
[13:41] <Der_GummiBaer> Is this also the German Channel?
[13:41] <Pelo> !de | Der_GummiBaer
[13:41] <ubotu> Der_GummiBaer: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:41] <Der_GummiBaer> ahhh, dankeschön =)
[13:41] <mgeorge27> wow what a fuckin channel
[13:42] <mgeorge27> 1255 ^_^
[13:42] <Ehlyah> unop: ~/.bash_profile is an empty file. it doesn't say anything
[13:42] <kittykitty> omg my virgin ears!
[13:42] <unop> Ehlyah, all else failing you can make a script and add these lines / #!/bin/bash  VAR=foo  kvm blah blah  # save the file, make it executable and call it via sudo /path/to/script
[13:42] <mgeorge27> oh please lol
[13:42] <srodden> Does sudo read any such profile documtn?
[13:42] <unop> srodden, sorry, that was for you up there
[13:43] <unop> Ehlyah, sorry, my bad, got you two mixed up
[13:43] <srodden> unop, yeah, spotted it :)
[13:43] <ufita> :x
[13:43] <srodden> unop, you're doing an awesome job, thank you
[13:43] <Ehlyah> unop: right, thought that sounded odd XD 's okay
[13:43] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:43] <unop> Ehlyah, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces file
[13:44] <kittykitty> well whenever bouma gets back, tell him that he just needs to move his xp partition closer to the begining of his disk, or to a logical disk
[13:44] <Ehlyah> unop: and edit what? It's got the new ip adress in it already
[13:44] <unop> Ehlyah, bring eth0 up again and try pinging both addresses
[13:44] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:44]  * kittykitty idles for 3 hours
[13:45] <zoobox> hello, how long does it normally take for a security vulnerabilitiy to be listed at http://cve.mitre.org/ after it is patched in ubuntu?
[13:46] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:46] <hypn0> didy: you delete data partition, and use free space
[13:46] <b1ch0> sorry, but here again with my audio issue
[13:46] <b1ch0> any tip, or anyone can help ?
[13:47] <didy> i'm not gonna delete that partition, can ubuntu resize it to make space for ubuntu?
[13:47] <zoobox> the rsync patch "Version 2.6.9-5ubuntu1.1 " that ubuntu update thing pushed out have a link to http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2008-1720 but that page isn't existing, how long might it take before it do?
[13:47] <Ehlyah> unop: I type ping and then the adress and then nothing happens. It just sort of locks up doesn't do anything anymore
[13:47] <unop> Ehlyah, ok, press CTRL+C
[13:48] <unop> Ehlyah, and then pastebin the output of this command please.   ifconfig; route -n; cat /etc/network/interfaces
[13:48] <zoobox>  * SECURITY UPDATE: code execution via ACL overflow.  * debian/patches/xattr-security.diff: upstream fixes for ACL/xattr, thanks to Debian.
[13:48] <zoobox>  * References CVE-2008-1720
[13:48] <hypn0> didy: you can manually partition during install, so you can delete is during install
[13:49] <hylinux> hi, the ubuntu 8.04 amd64 version have some issues? why I install some software, it say can't install them, because the depend?
[13:49] <didy> im NOT gonna delete.. just resize.. issit possible
[13:49] <hylinux> just beta version?
[13:50] <unop> srodden, i think this ought to do it.   sudo sh -c "VAR=foo;  kvm blah blah"  # mind the ; there
[13:50] <didy> also how do i check which 32 bit or 64 bit version my cd holds for ubuntu??
[13:50] <hypn0> didy: I don't think you can install ubuntu on ntfs :-/ I think ext3 is recommended
[13:50] <unop> didy, are you booted up into the CD now?
[13:50] <didy> yes
[13:50] <didy> lol
[13:50] <zoobox> the last one there seems to be 1702, and there are a 1703 and 1704 "reserved*, but no 1720 bug, so it is a bit strange that the description for the rsync bugfix links to there, or?
[13:51] <didy> i can't go into windows now
[13:51] <didy> :(
[13:51] <hylinux> didy: you just download that disc have characters like amd...
[13:51] <didy> im using GParted to partition my partitions....
[13:51] <unop> didy, run this command then;  lsb_release -a
[13:51] <Jimbo> Hello
[13:51] <unop> didy, also. uname -a
[13:51] <Jimbo> How do I run a telnet server on ubuntu
[13:51] <unop> Jimbo, you should run ssh instead
[13:51] <unop> Jimbo, telnet is not very secure
[13:51] <didy> i686 - 32bit?
[13:52] <alphakamp> telnet is extremly unsecure
[13:52] <unop> didy, looks that way
[13:52] <kakoonia> Dr_willis: hey.. i dunno wth is wrong with my settings.. but this is what happens when i try to use the "Twin view" in Nvidia-settings, 1) i can see only partial screen on the right monitor(laptop), 2) i can drag windows from one to the  other, 3) background is trashed. 4) no tray on top of the right screen, i got it only on one screen, and so is the awn dock.
[13:52] <Jimbo> unop: It is in local network, but ssh would be also good.
[13:52] <unop> Jimbo, install the openssh-server package and you should have ssh running. to connect to it, run  ssh user@machinename
[13:52] <didy> ok thanks. can anyone help me with the partitions thingy.
[13:53] <L52> hi, someone sucessfully installed jdk 6update5 using "make-jpkg"?
[13:53] <Jimbo> unop: Ok, how do I remove the desktop environment?
[13:53] <unop> Jimbo, even on a local network, ssh is better, it allows you to do much more.
[13:53] <hypn0> didy: you want to make data partition smaller, I think you can do that during install, although i'v never done it
[13:53] <unop> Jimbo, you can just stop the GDM (or KDM is you run KDE) from running.
[13:53] <N3uro5i5> i cant install *.pcf fonts, anyone know the solution?
[13:53] <Jimbo> unop: how?
[13:54] <didy> ok how big do i need for unbutu? i know there are 1 for "/" 1 for "/swap" 1 for "/home"
[13:54] <kakoonia> hey.. im trying to use two screens, 1=Laptop screen, 2=LCD 22" , i dunno wth is wrong with my settings.. but this is what happens when i try to use the "Twin view" in Nvidia-settings, 1) i can see only partial screen on the right monitor(laptop), 2) i can drag windows from one to the  other, 3) background is trashed. 4) no tray on top of the right screen, i got it only on one screen, and so is the awn dock.
[13:54] <unop> Jimbo, sudo update-rc.d stop 1-5 GDM # i think
[13:54] <srodden> gah, now the launcher won't work at all! I love this stuff :)
[13:54] <Ehlyah> unop: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62922/
[13:55] <didy> ok thanks. can anyone help me with the partitions thingy.
[13:55] <didy> ok how big do i need for unbutu? i know there are 1 for "/" 1 for "/swap" 1 for "/home"
[13:55] <didy> LOL
[13:55] <unop> Ehlyah, notice you still have "address <IP_ADDRESS>" in your /etc/network/interfaces file .. that really needs to change
[13:55] <beast> hello
[13:55] <unop> Ehlyah, that needs to change to "address <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:56] <hypn0> you don't need /home didy, just / and /swap
[13:56] <beast> can anyone tll me a program like FrontPage in Linux
[13:56] <amenoob> nvu
[13:56] <beast> i want to build a website
[13:56] <unop> hypn0, didy -- it;s better to have a /home partition incase you need to reinstall or do something dramatic and save your stuff
[13:56] <Ehlyah> unop: changed it
[13:57] <rinaldi_> hi anyone use the ps3 sixaxis? if so whats the program you use to calibrate it?
[13:57] <kakoonia> hey.. im trying to use two screens, 1=Laptop screen, 2=LCD 22" , i dunno wth is wrong with my settings.. but this is what happens when i try to use the "Twin view" in Nvidia-settings, 1) i can see only partial screen on the right monitor(laptop), 2) i can drag windows from one to the  other, 3) background is trashed. 4) no tray on top of the right screen, i got it only on one screen, and so is the awn dock.
[13:57] <unop> Ehlyah, now. run this.   sudo sh -c "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
[13:57] <Jimbo> unop: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/stop: file does not exist
[13:57] <unop> Ehlyah, and then try pinging again.
[13:58] <didy> so what does / hold? ubuntu itself? and home holds which data?
[13:58] <sedra> hello how to activate root under ubuntu?
[13:58] <unop> Jimbo, sudo update-rc.d gdm stop 1-5
[13:58] <unop> !root | sedra
[13:58] <ubotu> sedra: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[13:58] <unop> sedra, all you need is sudo
[13:59] <sedra> i dont want to enter my pass all the time!
[13:59] <unop> didy, /home holds all your personal stuff, documents, music, settings, etc
[13:59] <beast> hello, can anyone tell me a name of website builder, like we use Frontpage in Windows?
[13:59] <didy> how big is your /home?
[13:59] <ufita> how big should the /swap partition be?
[13:59] <Ehlyah> unop: I tried pinging my gateway adress. nothing.
[13:59] <sriramoman> beast: nvu
[13:59] <jussi01> !info bluefish
[13:59] <ubotu> bluefish (source: bluefish): advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-2 (gutsy), package size 1584 kB, installed size 6756 kB
[14:00] <unop> sedra, logging on as root all the time is not recommended, you can be reckless and do serious damage to your system
[14:00] <sedra> unop, i read somewhere that root can be activated but how?
[14:00] <user1> how can i know the exact watts that my pc and my moniter takes? (need to calculate watts to buy a new ups) ?
[14:00] <unop> sedra, if you need to run a command under sudo and not be prompted for your password -- you need to edit the sudoers file. see the sudoers manpage
[14:00] <sedra> what damage linux is secure
[14:01] <unop> sedra, linux is only as secure as you are. if you are insecure, linux is too
[14:01] <SNuxoll> sedra: secure doesn't prevent user error
[14:01] <unop> Ehlyah, are you sure <IP_ADDRESS> is your router's address?
[14:01] <Peanut> user1: the best way is to buy a cheap power meter that goes between your wall socket and your equipment
[14:02] <srodden> unop, now that's an interesting thing, I have tried uncommenting the "no password for all sudo" and also adding my own login as not requiring a password but niether has resulted in me not getting prompted for a password!
[14:02] <Ehlyah> unop: it's the default gateway adress I get when I ipconfig in cmd.exe on this computer
[14:03] <user1> Peanut hmm.
[14:03] <sriramoman> how many fps should i get in glxgears in default resolution for compiz to run smoothly?
[14:03] <unop_> Ehlyah, can you put to the pastebin the last set of commands i asked you to run please?
[14:03] <kaur> Hi!
[14:03] <Ziky> hi!
[14:03] <unop_> srodden, hmm, something you aren't doing right perhaps .. have you verified the syntax in the sudoers file, you should read the sudoers manpage too
[14:04] <user1> Peanut thers no predefined specs?
[14:04] <user1> Peanut http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU
[14:04] <srodden> I'm experimenting now :)
[14:04] <didy> so "/" "/swap" "/home" all use ext3 right?
[14:04] <user1> Peanut sory typo. powersupply just says AC 230v  and on moniter it says 1.2A
[14:04] <kaur> I just installed apache2 to test some web applications. Am I correct that by default apache runs only locally so I am not exposed to the world?
[14:05] <Ehlyah> unop: looks like I missed your message about sudo sh -c "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
[14:05] <Peanut> That's probably the rating of the fuse, and doesn't say much about regular power usage.
[14:05] <Ehlyah> untop: which gives me "etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory"
[14:06] <hsuh> is there a package with the proggyfonts? (proggytiny..)
[14:07] <rinaldi_> anyone got the sixaxis controller working? I can't get jscalibrator to detect it...
[14:07] <b4l74z4r> why would anyone use grey on black if they can use white on black in the terminal?
[14:07] <kakoonia> hey.. im trying to use two screens, 1=Laptop screen, 2=LCD 22" , i dunno wth is wrong with my settings.. but this is what happens when i try to use the "Twin view" in Nvidia-settings, 1) i can see only partial screen on the right monitor(laptop), 2) i can drag windows from one to the  other, 3) background is trashed. 4) no tray on top of the right screen, i got it only on one screen, and so is the awn dock.
[14:08] <dixon> Does anyone here know how can I solve 2 equations with 2 unknowns in octave - I'm trying to google it out but with no success :\
[14:09] <Peanut> dixon: Some sort of minimax search? Mathematics is hardly on topic for in here though :)
[14:09] <Peanut> dixon: try #octave
[14:09] <Ehlyah> unop: which gives me "etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory"
[14:10] <hischild> Ehlyah, add an extra / in front. /etc/resolv.conf
[14:10] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all, i have an "D-Link DFE-690TXD 10/100Base, CardBus , PCMCIA " on ubuntu hardy, and i have the following problem when doing dhclient: http://pastebin.com/m6cfd0b36 . It's not caused by hard, please don't tell me to go to the devel channel. It works fine with my home router, but it does the previously linked thing with another router, that is a noname thing. The question is, how can i config/debug/prepare it to get it work... Thanks!:)
[14:11] <hischild> !hardy | MetaMorfoziS
[14:11] <ubotu> MetaMorfoziS: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:11] <MetaMorfoziS> hischild > can you read, idiot?
[14:11] <Jimbo> unop: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm: file does not exist
[14:11] <Ehlyah> hischild: the command was sudo sh -c "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" so I'm not sure where to put the / >>;;
[14:12] <hischild> MetaMorfoziS, i can read just fine. You're running hardy thus you should go to the correct channel.
[14:12] <hischild> !atitude | MetaMorfoziS
[14:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atitude - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:12] <rinaldi_> hi, im trying to get the ps3 sixaxis working through usb. I tried this: http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/ and didn't apply the patch it told me becuase my kernel is higher than 2.6.21. when i do jstest --normal /dev/input/js1 I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62923/ but when I do jscal it tells me it's a bad address
[14:12] <hischild> !patience | MetaMorfoziS
[14:12] <ubotu> MetaMorfoziS: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[14:13] <MetaMorfoziS> hischild > stop trolling.
[14:13] <Nitro> tech question: what is the name of the log file that is written to upon shutdown / attempt to log out of gnome?
[14:13] <hischild> MetaMorfoziS, i'm not trolling, You want support? then go to the correct channel.
[14:13] <Jimbo> help me to stop/remove the desktop environment
[14:13] <Nitro> Why would you remove the desktop environment Jimbo?
[14:13] <MetaMorfoziS> hischild > it's not a hardy related problem, i don't want to take their time with it
[14:13] <Jimbo> I need to free up resources
[14:14] <MetaMorfoziS> the hardware works fine, i just need to adjust it.
[14:14] <Nitro> Jimbo: What are you going to use the computer to?
[14:14] <Nitro> surfing?
[14:14] <unop_> Jimbo, ls -l /etc/init.d/?dm # what does this return?
[14:14] <Nitro> e-mail?
[14:14] <hischild> MetaMorfoziS, if the hardware is fine, it's a software related problem. If it's a software related problem it's related to hardy. Please join the correct channel.
[14:14] <unop_> Ehlyah, is that what you get then you try and bring eth0 up?