[00:10] <gunndawg> hey LongShot :)
[00:10] <LongShot> hey
[00:11] <gunndawg> whats goin on ?
[02:03] <red_> Hello I have an old Dell xp that seems to have the os guts somehow virised out. no device manager, no sound manager, no system restore, etc. Boots up ok though. Task manager opens. Can I use a boot cd to reformatt the disk and put ubuntu on it?
[02:05] <JoeMaverickSett> red_: you mean like boot an Ubuntu CD, wipe the whole disk and install Ubuntu? if so, yes, why not?
[02:06] <red_> I just want to use the computer with a good operating system and since it will not hook up to the net I have to get it on there somehow
[02:07] <JoeMaverickSett> red_: what might your computer specs be? RAM and hard disk.
[02:09] <JoeMaverickSett> red_: and ubuntu is a really good operating system, you know. :)
[02:10] <thewrath> hi all
[02:10] <red_> dell latitude d610 .99 GB of ram xp professional  74.4 GB disk
[02:10] <JoeMaverickSett> hey thewrath :)
[02:10] <thewrath> how is everyone?
[02:10] <JoeMaverickSett> everyone is fine, i believe. :)
[02:10] <MattHarrison> doing good since snowmaggedon was a bust
[02:10] <thewrath> :)
[02:10] <thewrath> MattHarrison, where do you live?
[02:11] <MattHarrison> Michigan
[02:11] <JoeMaverickSett> red_: great. you can install it.
[02:12] <red_> does the complete ubuntu os fit on a cd?
[02:12] <JoeMaverickSett> red_: or if you really want a more low resource, i suggest you try lubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[02:12] <JoeMaverickSett> red_: yes, it does.
[02:13] <red_> ok great thanks
[02:13] <JoeMaverickSett> no problem. :)
[02:16] <yax51> is there an ipconfig function that I can access from the terminal?
[02:18] <holstein> yax51: you looking for ifconfig?
[02:18] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifconfig
[02:19] <yax51> holstein: possibly, does it work the same as ipconfig from windows, or very similar?
[02:20] <holstein> yes and no
[02:20] <holstein> probably just depends on what you are doing
[02:20] <holstein> as to how similar it will be
[02:22] <yax51> holstien: what do you mean
[02:23] <holstein> well, im not too sure how ipconfig works
[02:23] <holstein> ive used it very little
[02:23] <holstein> BUT, i would say certain tasks would be similar 'looking' and feeling
[02:23] <holstein> with ifconfig
[02:25] <yax51> aaah, so basically I am trying to flush the DNS cache...
[02:26] <MattHarrison> yax51:  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-clearflush-dns-cache-in-ubuntu.html
[02:27] <yax51> MattHarrison: thanks
[03:38] <gunndawg> is 148 processes considered a lot for ubuntu ?
[03:39] <Space-Duck> After I mount a FTP, can I create some kind of shortcut to automount it later? (The real problem is I have a few FTPs and cant remember the passwords for all of them)
[03:53] <gunndawg> man this Cairo dock confuses me
[03:53] <ddecator> Docky FTW
[03:53] <zkriesse> DOCKY!
[03:54]  * zkriesse grabs his docky banner, docky shirt, and blue paint
[03:54] <zkriesse> come on ddecator let's go touting docky!
[03:54] <holstein> whats the one called thats in gnome-do ?
[03:54] <holstein> its not bad
[03:54] <ddecator> it's not in gnome-do anymore
[03:54] <holstein> and easy to get going
[03:54] <holstein> ddecator: OH
[03:54] <ddecator> separate project now
[03:54] <holstein> interesting
[03:54] <holstein> probably better that way
[03:54] <ddecator> plus the non-gnome-do docky always had more features
[03:55] <gunndawg> well I think docky presented the same problem as cario dock is giving me
[03:55] <ddecator> which is?
[03:55] <gunndawg> well I have icons like Pidgin on the dock
[03:55] <gunndawg> which should do one of two things, just launch the main pidgin program (my friends list) or show active conversations and the friends list
[03:56] <gunndawg> but when I start a conversation with someone, that pidgin icon suddenly only opens and closes that conversation, and has no interaction with the main pidgin program
[03:56] <ddecator> Docky lets you right-click icons and select which window related to the program to focus
[03:56] <ddecator> if left-clicking doesn't bring up the right one
[03:57] <gunndawg> hm
[03:57] <gunndawg> these docks have always confused me, they are always adding extra icons
[03:57] <gunndawg> etc
[03:58] <ddecator> adding extra icons? like when you open a program that isn't on the dock it adds an icon while that program is open?
[03:58] <gunndawg> yeah
[03:58] <gunndawg> that as well
[03:58] <ddecator> that's a feature in Docky that you can toggle on or off :)
[04:00] <gunndawg> just wish I knew why the pidigin icon will only open one of the active chat sessions and not the pidigin menu it self (unless all conversations are closed)
[04:00] <ddecator> it probably opens the most recent window related to the application
[04:01] <gunndawg> thats kind of annoying
[04:01] <gunndawg> I want my icons to open up the programs they are associated to
[04:01] <gunndawg> or make it so when you hover over them, you have lil preview windows of other windows associated to that program, or something
[04:04] <gunndawg> or like skype, if I close my skype window and then click skype from my dock again to re open it, it starts a whole new session of skype instead of opening the current one (one I already opened and logged in with)
[04:06] <ddecator> yah that shouldn't happen. i don't think Docky does that
[04:06] <ddecator> i tried Cairo, AWN, and Docky. Docky was, imo, the best by far
[04:06] <gunndawg> and then if I launch frostwire from the dock it adds another frostfire icon to the dock for it
[04:06] <gunndawg> ddecator, I'll try docky I guess
[04:07] <gunndawg> hope it functions like I was thinking a dock should be functioning :(
[04:07] <ddecator> that last issue can sometimes happen still, but that's usually just after you've added an app to the dock and usually goes away after restarting docky
[04:08] <ddecator> i use the docky daily ppa, but i think the one in the repos is pretty much the same
[04:08] <johnny77> To use Docky you need a compositing WM, right?
[04:08] <ddecator> possibly
[04:08] <ddecator> not really sure
[04:10] <gunndawg> sigh, now I cant get rid of caior dock
[04:10] <ddecator> yah, cairo dock is...persistent
[04:10] <gunndawg> I did sudo apt-get remove cairo-dock but its still listed under system tools and still functions
[04:11] <gunndawg> oh, think I need to log out and back in
[04:11] <gunndawg> brb
[04:11] <ddecator> you could use synaptic and search "cairo" to see what other packages show up
[04:11] <ddecator> or that could be it..
[04:12] <gunndawg> sigh, its still there
[04:12] <ddecator> yah, i would try the synaptic route
[04:12] <ddecator> i feel like i ran into the same issue a couple years ago
[04:13] <gunndawg> alright
[04:14] <gunndawg> yeah synaptic took care of it
[04:14] <gunndawg> might as well install docky with synaptic also, should I also install python-docky?
[04:14] <gunndawg> nvm, looks like it includes that
[04:17] <gunndawg> alright got docky up and runnin
[04:19] <gunndawg> Docky is doing the same thing with skype :(
[04:19] <ddecator> really? that's odd...i haven't had that before
[04:20] <gunndawg> yeah keeps running a new instance of skype instead of opening the existing one
[04:20] <ddecator> it might work after a restart. it sometimes acts weird right after adding an app
[04:20] <gunndawg> also adds a new icon for frostwire
[04:20] <gunndawg> so all the same problems cairo dock offered
[04:21] <ddecator> try killing the docky process and starting it again
[04:21] <gunndawg> ok
[04:22] <gunndawg> yeah still doing it
[04:22] <gunndawg> which is basically rendering a dock useless if it wont keep track of my currently opened programs/windows
[04:24] <ddecator> that's really weird...you could try the daily ppa, but not sure if that'd help since i haven't ever had those problems with it
[04:24] <gunndawg> hmm
[04:24] <gunndawg> im not entirely sure how to use PPA's yet either
[04:25] <ddecator> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[04:25] <gunndawg> 10.10
[04:27] <ddecator> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:docky-core/ppa" then "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[04:28] <gunndawg> ok its saying it help 1 upgrade back
[04:28] <gunndawg> "docky"
[04:28] <gunndawg> how do I force upgrade it ?
[04:30] <gunndawg> The following packages have been kept back:
[04:30] <gunndawg>   docky
[04:30] <gunndawg> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[04:30] <ddecator> held it back? hmm, maybe it has different dependencies. open synaptic, search for docky, click the box and mark for upgrade, and see what it says
[04:30] <holstein> dist-upgrade
[04:30] <holstein> OR
[04:30] <holstein> synaptic like ddecator is easy
[04:30] <holstein> you can remove it
[04:31] <holstein> and reinstall it
[04:31] <gunndawg> i think I got it
[04:31] <seidos> dist-upgrade upgrades the distribution, is that what you want
[04:31] <gunndawg> will I need to reload docky for changes (if any) to take effect ?
[04:31] <holstein> its because you are getting it from a different repository
[04:31] <gunndawg> yeah, just figured that out, he
[04:31] <gunndawg> heh*
[04:31] <holstein> seidos: you need to change sources
[04:31] <holstein> and run dist-upgrade
[04:31] <holstein> AFAIK
[04:31] <holstein> i use dist-upgrade often
[04:32] <holstein> for some audio PPA's i use
[04:32] <seidos> oh, for ppas you run sudo apt-get update
[04:32] <gunndawg> ok its all upgraded now
[04:32] <seidos> i don't
[04:32] <seidos> what do you use dist-upgrade for holstein?  aside from upgrading the distro?
[04:33] <holstein> upgrading packages
[04:33] <holstein> when a newer package is in a different repo
[04:33] <seidos> isn't that just the upgrade command?  sudo apt-get upgrade?
[04:33] <holstein> yup
[04:33] <holstein> update updates the cache
[04:34] <seidos> wait, are you pulling packages from a different version of the distro?  like installing 10.10 packages on 10.04 or 11.04 on 10.10?
[04:34] <holstein> docky is in the repo
[04:34] <holstein> the default one
[04:34] <holstein> when you add the PPA
[04:34] <holstein> you're askind apt to install a newer version
[04:34] <ddecator> dist-upgrade upgrades more parts of the system, but it doesn't do an upgrade from one distro version to another
[04:34] <holstein> with apt-get upgrade
[04:34] <gunndawg> well bummer, I was hoping to get a working dock set up tonight :(
[04:34] <holstein> BUT it says, wait
[04:35] <holstein> the newer one is in a differen repo
[04:35] <ddecator> "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" might work too, unless there are dependency issues
[04:35] <ddecator> i run that command every day
[04:35] <holstein> yup
[04:35] <ddecator> gunndawg: still doing the same thing?
[04:35] <gunndawg> ddecator, yeah, it also wont open my current browsing session when I click chromium or firefox
[04:35] <gunndawg> it launches a new browser session
[04:36] <seidos> holstein: ah, checking the man page.  interesting.
[04:36] <gunndawg> just like it did with skype, etc
[04:36] <ddecator> definitely shouldn't be doing that...how are you adding the apps to the dock?
[04:36] <holstein> seidos: i recently learned about it
[04:36] <gunndawg> ddecator, I dragged them from my panel
[04:36] <holstein> using the kxstudio PPA
[04:36] <seidos> holstein: yeah, that isn't intuitive to me
[04:36] <ddecator> gunndawg: should work then :/
[04:36] <holstein> seidos: well, when you think about it, its better than having packages come in willy-nilly
[04:36] <holstein> from whatever repo
[04:37] <holstein> this is an extra step
[04:37] <gunndawg> ddecator, yeah unfortunately its not, :(
[04:37] <gunndawg> I just want a working dock!
[04:37] <ddecator> is that what differentiates upgrade from dist-upgrade? i never figured out what made some things only update with dist-upgrade
[04:37] <ddecator> gunndawg: like i said, some of it might work after a restart, possibly of your whole computer, but not sure
[04:37] <gunndawg> ddecator, also if I close pidgin chat then it completely removes it from the dock
[04:38] <ddecator> gunndawg: try dragging it from the application menu
[04:38] <ddecator> instead of the panel
[04:38] <gunndawg> ddecator, k
[04:38] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: right click the app, pin to dock?
[04:39] <ddecator> yah, that might work too
[04:39] <gunndawg> that did not work, still opens multiple sessions of the browser, and skype
[04:39] <ddecator> :(
[04:39] <holstein> gunndawg: ?
[04:39] <seidos> we want a working dock for you too gunndawg!
[04:39] <seidos> i'm installing docky now
[04:39] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: what dock did you install? didn't catch that.
[04:40] <seidos> haha, cool icon, with the anchor
[04:40] <holstein> strange
[04:40] <JoeMaverickSett> i'm using a daily/beta of docky. works fine
[04:40] <gunndawg> seidos, only cool thing about it as far as I am concerened
[04:40] <gunndawg> I bet if I exit out of Xchat, it will disappear off of docky
[04:41] <JoeMaverickSett> hhmm, strange thing.
[04:41] <seidos> gunndawg: it doesn't really make sense to have a dock if you have a panel at the bottom...
[04:41] <ddecator> JoeMaverickSett: me too, i'm using the daily ppa and haven't run into any of the issues he's having
[04:41] <gunndawg> strange and annoying, makes the dock not worth using
[04:41] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: yup, that puzzels me. :|
[04:41] <seidos> hmmm, but it is kind of cool...maybe i should get rid of the bottom panel
[04:42] <ddecator> seidos: that's what i did
[04:42] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: i did the first thing i knew about docks. :D
[04:42] <ddecator> and the top panel auto-hides. maximum screen realestate :)
[04:42] <gunndawg> I would get rid of the bottom panel if I could get the dang dock working as such that its worth using
[04:42] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: cool, haven't thought about it yet. :D
[04:42] <holstein> gnome's auto-hide is lame
[04:42] <ddecator> gunndawg: like i said, my only extra suggestion is to add all of the applications, then restart your comp and see if it works better
[04:43] <gunndawg> ddecator, I'll give that one last attempt
[04:43] <JoeMaverickSett> yup, try... :(
[04:43] <JoeMaverickSett> i hate to see it not working...
[04:43] <JoeMaverickSett> coz it's the best.. :D
[04:43] <holstein> gunndawg: you have the dock at the top?
[04:43] <ddecator> JoeMaverickSett: window dodge hiding i think is what docky option i have set
[04:43] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: ah, i think mine's on intellihide.
[04:44] <ddecator> there was something about intelli-hide i didn't like..can't remember what
[04:44] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, nope, window dodge. :D
[04:44] <ddecator> oh!
[04:44] <gunndawg> holstein, no
[04:44] <gunndawg> holstein, bottom
[04:44] <holstein> and the gnome panel is at the bottom too?
[04:44] <seidos> and turn on autohide
[04:44] <ddecator> if i window doesn't have focus, intellihide doesn't hide the dock, but window dodge will hide it if any window is close enough to the dock
[04:44] <seidos> probably should get rid of the top panel too...they don't really work together
[04:44] <holstein> drag docky up to the top for a bit
[04:44] <holstein> to test
[04:45] <gunndawg> holstein, to test what ?
[04:45] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: yeah, that one didn't work as i thought it'd
[04:45] <holstein> so they panel and the dock can breathe
[04:45] <gunndawg> ok I moved it to the right
[04:45] <seidos> whoa, can't kill gnome-panel, it restarts
[04:45] <ddecator> JoeMaverickSett: yah, i sometimes have two windows side by side, and i used to have 3 docks, so it drove me nuts when i would go between the two windows and two of the docks kept showing and hiding
[04:45] <seidos> i autohid it...
[04:46] <seidos> er, well the top one
[04:46] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: hehe, distractions. :D
[04:46]  * seidos facepalms
[04:46] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: how did you turn off gnome-panel?
[04:46] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: like how?
[04:46] <JoeMaverickSett> i got my top panel still
[04:46] <JoeMaverickSett> docky is at bottom
[04:46] <gunndawg> ok guess im gonna restart and hope docky works then, so brb
[04:46] <ddecator> yah, the top panel is handy
[04:47] <JoeMaverickSett> yup
[04:47] <ddecator> gunndawg: good luck :)
[04:47] <ddecator> just have it auto-hide
[04:47] <ddecator> so windows can fill the whole screen
[04:47] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: right click the panel > properties ?
[04:48] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: ah, yeah, i have too many things open right now...
[04:48] <seidos> ah, i'll move to another workspace
[04:48] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: hehe, i forgot about ubuntu having workspaces. :P
[04:48] <JoeMaverickSett> might start utilizing it!!
[04:48] <seidos> i don't get it, docky is working okay for me
[04:48]  * JoeMaverickSett facepalms.
[04:49] <gunndawg> ok back
[04:49] <ddecator> oh man, workspaces are amazing
[04:49] <seidos> i'm not using pigin though
[04:49] <ddecator> gunndawg: any luck?
[04:49] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: tell me about it. :D
[04:49] <seidos> i <3 workspaces
[04:49] <gunndawg> ddecator, well I notice something about it
[04:49] <seidos> i don't need them right now, but they are nice to have
[04:49] <ddecator> 5 workspaces in 1 row as a "cube"
[04:49] <gunndawg> if I sign into skype, and just "minimize" skype instead of hitting the X, the docky will open skype properly
[04:49] <seidos> ah, with multiple workspaces, not sure docky would "cut it"
[04:49] <ddecator> docky works great with multiple workspaces
[04:50] <gunndawg> but if I hit X on skype (its still running, I can open it from the top panel) and then try to open it in docky, it opens a new instance of it
[04:50] <seidos> ddecator: i'll try it
[04:50] <ddecator> gunndawg: that's odd...maybe it doesn't notice that it's still running because there isn't a window, so it assumes it needs to launch it
[04:50] <gunndawg> ddecator, yeah thats how its acting
[04:50] <ddecator> seidos: if you click something on docky, it'll auto-move to the workspace that window is on
[04:51] <ddecator> gunndawg: strange...any luck with firefox/chrome?
[04:51] <seidos> ddecator: sweet.  so then i would just need a bigger "docky" maybe :P
[04:51] <seidos> i usually use multiple workspaces when i have gimp, totem, and a few other things open...maybe audacity
[04:51] <gunndawg> ddecator, yeah chrome seems to be functioning properly because it always has a window
[04:51] <ddecator> seidos: me too. and it even goes through the animations if you're using desktop cube or anything
[04:52] <ddecator> gunndawg: well that's improvement at least
[04:52] <gunndawg> just like if I minimize skype it works, well you have to minimize chrome to keep it going
[04:52] <seidos> ddecator: yeah, not using desk cube.  intel graphics.
[04:52] <ddecator> i wonder if there is a bug report for docky about the closing a window thing..
[04:52] <ddecator> seidos: i'm sorry :(
[04:52] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: oh man. :(
[04:52] <gunndawg> yeah im not just sure if this docky thing is gonna work for me, sadly, they look so convenient
[04:53] <ddecator> it is. and much more functional than the bottom panel
[04:53] <seidos> ddecator, JoeMaverickSett haha, it's not a big deal.
[04:53] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: true, tbqh. :D
[04:53] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: yeah, just can still get the desktop wall
[04:53] <seidos> does anyone ever use empathy?
[04:53]  * JoeMaverickSett is a pidgin fan. :D
[04:53] <ddecator> i do
[04:54] <seidos> ddecator: for what?
[04:54] <ddecator> or did, but now i might try kopete, but i haven't used an IM app in months
[04:54] <ddecator> seidos: i used it for facebook chat and google talk
[04:54] <seidos> gunndawg: i'm trying it out
[04:54] <seidos> ddecator: ah, nobody i know chats on there
[04:55] <gunndawg> seidos, alright, let me know what you think
[04:55] <ddecator> nope, that's why i stopped using it. plus i have gmail opened in an app tab in firefox at all times, so google talk is open anyway
[04:55] <gunndawg> seems like everything you open has to be "minimized" in order to be reachable again by docky
[04:55] <seidos> gunndawg: i kind of like it so far.
[04:55] <seidos> gunndawg: alt-tab?
[04:55] <holstein> nah
[04:55] <gunndawg> seidos, no, that is not what I mean
[04:55] <holstein> in my experience
[04:55] <holstein> docky is similar to OSX's dock
[04:56] <ddecator> but much better
[04:56] <gunndawg> I mean some things like pidgin, and skype can run from the panel without the window actually being "active"
[04:56] <ddecator> and more customizable
[04:56] <holstein> with more options
[04:56] <holstein> yup
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: or ccsm with hide windows shortcut (Ctrl + ALt + d) ?
[04:56] <seidos> gunndawg: it does seem like you can't really choose what ends up on the dock.  firefox is there, and empathy, and rhythmbox...they don't need to be for me.  it would be better to have gimp and totem
[04:56] <holstein> drag em off
[04:56] <gunndawg> seidos, you can add them and remove them
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: drag it to the desktop and poff it goes
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> off
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[04:56] <holstein> yup
[04:57] <holstein> with a neat graphic and all :)
[04:57] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: nifty
[04:57] <ddecator> also check out docklets and helpers :)
[04:57] <gunndawg> I think I might have to skip out on the docky, its just much frusterating
[04:57] <seidos> nah, this is nice.  i have a visual representation of the apps i use
[04:57] <gunndawg> frustration *
[04:57] <seidos> gunndawg: but the pretty pictures!
[04:58] <gunndawg> seidos, yeah it looks great, I agree. But the way it functions just isnt acceptable
[04:58] <holstein> gunndawg: how about indicate multiple windows?
[04:58] <seidos> i think i would have to use alt-f2 a lot more...which should improve efficiency over time
[04:58] <gunndawg> holstein, what does that mean ?
[04:58] <holstein> i just clicked on chromium
[04:58] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: you won't say it's pretty when half of your apps are betas or dailys that don't have docky icons. :D
[04:58] <ddecator> holstein: i think it does that by default
[04:58] <holstein> and it did not launch a new chromium
[04:58] <holstein> it went to the one that was already open
[04:58] <gunndawg> holstein, I got the chromium part fixed, its fine
[04:59] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: just for that i'm going to try to find a program i use that doesn't have a docky icon
[04:59] <ddecator> seidos: find it in the app menu and drag it onto the dock
[04:59] <holstein> whats the problem?
[04:59] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[04:59] <ddecator> even if it's custom
[04:59] <ddecator> and you can specify an icon
[04:59] <ddecator> it uses whatever is shown in the applications menu
[04:59] <gunndawg> holstein, try using skype with docky
[04:59] <gunndawg> or pidgin
[04:59] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: ah, must have been the case. some of my apps don't have icon in the app menu.
[05:00] <seidos> oh, the irony, my system looks more like a mac now
[05:00] <gunndawg> like right now I have skype on, its tucked up in the top panel as logged in, but if I click skype on the docky, bam I get a new instance of skype instead of the one I am already logged into
[05:00] <seidos> i should call it a "friend"
[05:00] <ddecator> JoeMaverickSett: if you set a custom icon in the applications menu, docky will eventually update and use that icon as well
[05:00] <seidos> heh
[05:00] <holstein> gunndawg: interesting
[05:00] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: oh, okie.
[05:00] <holstein> i just had it do with skype as i expected
[05:00]  * JoeMaverickSett didn't know that, sorry for the wrong info. :|
[05:00] <holstein> it launched a new one
[05:00] <ddecator> seidos: because of docky, a lot of people assume i'm use OS X when they first see my screen, haha
[05:00] <gunndawg> holstein, exactly
[05:00] <holstein> and maximized a minimized one
[05:00] <seidos> gunndawg: let me install skype and see how it goes
[05:01] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: hehe, exactly. :D
[05:01] <ddecator> JoeMaverickSett: i learned that when i used prism and that used favicons which scaled horribly
[05:01] <holstein> gunndawg: whats the issue then?
[05:01] <holstein> its going to launch the app?
[05:01] <gunndawg> holstein, what do you mean what is the issue? when I click skype on docky it should open up the one that I already am logged into and using, right? not open a new skype window/new instance of skype
[05:01] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: i quit on prism the day i installed it. :D
[05:01] <holstein> gunndawg: right
[05:01] <ddecator> JoeMaverickSett: it was nice before app tabs came out
[05:02] <gunndawg> holstein, well, thats the problem, it opens up a new instance of skype
[05:02] <holstein> thats what happend for me
[05:02] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: is it? never knew. didn't explore it. :D
[05:02] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: ah, same here.
[05:02] <holstein> the first time, are you launching it with docky gunndawg ?
[05:02] <gunndawg> holstein, so then why do you ask what the problem is, if you clearly see the problem
[05:02] <seidos> so why not use empathy instead of skype?  does it have video and audio over tcp/ip?
[05:02] <gunndawg> holstein, lol
[05:02] <gunndawg> holstein, , yes
[05:02] <holstein> gunndawg: i did not no
[05:02] <holstein> know*
[05:02] <holstein> what the problem was
[05:02] <holstein> because
[05:02] <holstein> its not happening for me
[05:02] <seidos> ah, can't call a pots phone
[05:03] <holstein> this is exactly what i do
[05:03] <gunndawg> its happening for JoeMaverickSett it appears
[05:03] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: well, just minimize it then. :D
[05:03] <holstein> i click on skype
[05:03] <holstein> it opens
[05:03] <holstein> a new one
[05:03] <holstein> i minimize
[05:03] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: i don't *X* close it, so i didn't experience it much. :D
[05:03] <gunndawg> yeah I guess if you minimize it
[05:03] <holstein> i click on the same icon
[05:03] <holstein> and i get it maximized
[05:03] <gunndawg> holstein, yeah it works if you minimize it, but if you hit the X then it doesnt work like that
[05:03] <holstein> right
[05:03] <holstein> the x closes it
[05:03] <JoeMaverickSett> yup
[05:04] <gunndawg> well the X stores it in my top panel
[05:04] <holstein> and for you its doing what?
[05:04] <gunndawg> so i can click it up there, and bam, skype is open
[05:04] <holstein> right
[05:04] <holstein> but you closed it
[05:04] <ddecator> i wonder if rythmbox would do the same
[05:04] <gunndawg> holstein,  no thats not how it works
[05:04] <ddecator> holstein: the window, but not the program
[05:04] <holstein> and its like a shortcut at that point
[05:04] <ddecator> the process is still running
[05:04] <holstein> yeah, im not following
[05:05] <holstein> O I C
[05:05] <gunndawg> holstein, if I hit X on skype it closes it, and uses no space on the bottom panel, then I can click the skype icon in my top panel and it opens up, all logged in and everything
[05:05] <ddecator> gunndawg: does it do the same for rhythmbox?
[05:05] <gunndawg> so now I am forced to "minimize" it in order to make it work propelry with docky
[05:05] <gunndawg> ddecator, no clue, I do not use rhythmbox
[05:06] <holstein> no, i get it now
[05:06] <gunndawg> ddecator, but I assume it would as anything that you can stop a window for but keep the process running, will probably screw up in docky
[05:06] <holstein> i didnt know you guys were checking in top
[05:06] <ddecator> yah, neither do i, but i guess i can still test it on here myself, haha
[05:06] <holstein> yeah, im still running in the background
[05:06] <holstein> gunndawg: skype ^^
[05:06] <holstein> the 3 instances
[05:06] <gunndawg> holstein, exactly
[05:07] <gunndawg> holstein, NOW do you see my point? ;)
[05:07] <holstein> sounds like a bug to me
[05:07] <holstein> sure
[05:07] <holstein> NOW i do
[05:07] <gunndawg> holstein, heh
[05:07] <JoeMaverickSett> seems to me it happens only to skype.
[05:07] <JoeMaverickSett> even if i hit X and press the icon on docky for pigdin, it returns.
[05:07] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, I am willing to bet it happends to any program that hides its window in the panel icon (top)
[05:08] <ddecator> except pidgin apparently..
[05:08] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: interesting. may be
[05:08] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, start up a conversation with someone on pidgin and then see how the pidgin icon on docky reacts
[05:08] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: well, people are at work at this time of hour. :D
[05:09] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, ddecator it wont open up pidgins main menu, it will open up your last minimized conversation
[05:09] <jmarsden> They are?  9PM here :)
[05:09] <holstein> gunndawg: maybe just a little gnome panel
[05:09] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, ddecator which is equally not very efficient if your trying to access pidigin main menu
[05:09] <holstein> like a dock
[05:09] <JoeMaverickSett> well, it's 13:00 here
[05:09] <holstein> at least we know that those do
[05:09] <bioterror> 7am
[05:09] <bioterror> :D
[05:09] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: go to bed. :D
[05:09] <bioterror> you're so much ahead of me, joe
[05:09] <ddecator> in other news, rhythmbox doesn't have an icon in the top panel when you use kubuntu...
[05:09] <holstein> at least we know what those do*
[05:09] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, I would like to, but I've to go to work
[05:09] <gunndawg> holstein, yeah
[05:09] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: >:(
[05:10] <gunndawg> I just put docky into Panel mode
[05:10] <holstein> hehe
[05:10] <holstein> i was trying that
[05:10] <holstein> not ideal
[05:10] <seidos> ah, i see.  need the top panel for skype
[05:10] <gunndawg> seidos, yeah
[05:10] <seidos> and there's no pin option
[05:10] <gunndawg> seidos, alas, the problem ;)
[05:10] <seidos> gunndawg: so keep top panel, autohide it?
[05:10] <JoeMaverickSett> who needs skype when you have a phone? ;)
[05:10] <ddecator> video chat
[05:11] <ddecator> plus, free
[05:11] <JoeMaverickSett> lol :D
[05:11] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: i can call brazil for free w/ skype  over the web
[05:11] <gunndawg> seidos, I do have top panel in auto hide but its such a habbit of mine to close many programs from hitting X and just opening them again from the top panel, in order for docky to keep working I will need tos tart minimizing EVERYTHING
[05:11] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: well, not everything.
[05:11] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[05:11] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett,  imma slap you!
[05:11] <gunndawg> ;)
[05:11] <JoeMaverickSett> lol :D
[05:12]  * JoeMaverickSett runs
[05:12] <gunndawg> point is, now I have to minimize everything that I want to function with docky
[05:12] <seidos> gunndawg: just change skype's source code :P
[05:12] <seidos> is skype even open source?
[05:12] <gunndawg> seidos, imma slap you as well!
[05:12] <seidos> heh
[05:12] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: i think it's closed source. :D
[05:12] <seidos> gunndawg: go for it, i'll take it like a man
[05:12] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: :(
[05:12] <seidos> T_T
[05:13] <ddecator> gunndawg: i guess i never ran into that because i always keep windows open and just change workspaces
[05:13]  * JoeMaverickSett nods
[05:13] <gunndawg> ddecator, ah yeah, I just use one workspace
[05:13] <gunndawg> Terminal works how most programs in docky should
[05:14] <gunndawg> youc an right cilck terminal and pick which terminal window you wanna open
[05:14] <gunndawg> if you have more than one open, excellent
[05:14] <gunndawg> why cant pidgin do the same thing?
[05:14] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: What do you mean?
[05:15] <ddecator> gunndawg: it should..
[05:15] <gunndawg> ddecator, I agree, it should
[05:15] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, what part dont you understand? lol
[05:15] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, the terminal window part ?
[05:15] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: The Pidgin part, like have a menu window selector?
[05:15] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: you confuses my docky skills... :|
[05:16] <linuxrunner> Anyone here?
[05:16] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, yes, be able to either launch a specific conversation, or launch pidgins main menu (contact list)
[05:16] <JoeMaverickSett> linuxrunner: yes, many.. :D
[05:16] <JoeMaverickSett> linuxrunner: how may we be of service to you? :)
[05:16] <seidos> i <3 linux
[05:17] <linuxrunner> All right, I am in some deep stuff, and I don't know how to get out... I cannot get my nvidia x server to work.
[05:17] <linuxrunner> Nothing helps.
[05:17] <gunndawg> what docky themes do you guys use?
[05:17] <linuxrunner> I am running under safe mode under the kernel
[05:18] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: HUD.
[05:19] <linuxrunner> When I open nvidia x server settings, it says, "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root)
[05:19] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, ddecator, any clue how to center the icons in docky while in panel mode?
[05:19] <JoeMaverickSett> linuxrunner: so, did you run it?
[05:19] <linuxrunner> so I run sudo nvidia-xconfig, and get Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[05:19] <linuxrunner> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[05:20] <linuxrunner> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[05:20] <ddecator> gunndawg: nope, sorry. i've never used panel mode
[05:20] <gunndawg> ddecator, its quite nice
[05:20] <linuxrunner> And I have no idea what to do from there, either to edit the config file or to restart x
[05:21] <gunndawg> what is the difference between a launcher and a docklet ?
[05:22] <linuxrunner> any ideas?
[05:23] <ddecator> launcher launches an app. docklet sits in the dock and is useful, like weather
[05:23] <ddecator> linuxrunner: can't you use the Nvidia configuration gui?
[05:24] <gunndawg> ddecator, alright, so a trash can is considered a docklet?
[05:24] <ddecator> gunndawg: yah, since it lets you see if there is trash (the icon changes) and lets you clear the trash from the icon. clicking it will also open the trash folder
[05:24] <linuxrunner> you mean the one under system -> administration ?  That's what tells me that I'm not using the nvidia x driver
[05:25] <ddecator> did you install and activate the driver using jockey?
[05:25] <linuxrunner> I don't know what jockey is
[05:26] <JoeMaverickSett> linuxrunner: System > Administration > Additional Drivers ?
[05:26] <ddecator> yah!
[05:26] <ddecator> thanks JoeMaverickSett, i'm not using gnome right now and i couldn't remember what menu it was in, haha
[05:26] <JoeMaverickSett> linuxrunner: it would be Hardware Drivers, iirc if you were using 10.04
[05:26] <GunnDawg> ddecator, I added a battery monitor docklet but its not showin up, even after restarting docky
[05:26] <JoeMaverickSett> ddecator: hehe, no problemo. ;)
[05:27] <ddecator> GunnDawg: really? it should show up on the far right
[05:27] <GunnDawg> ddecator, nope, just the trash can
[05:27] <linuxrunner> No proprietary drivers are in use on your system.  Nothing
[05:28] <ddecator> linuxrunner: ...and you definitely have an nvidia card? haha
[05:28] <GunnDawg> ddecator, gonna re log, brb
[05:29] <linuxrunner> Oh yes, it was working three days ago.  There's an nvidia sticker on my lapper.  There are nvidia files installed in synaptic
[05:30] <ddecator> linuxrunner: does it show up when you run "lspci" in a terminal?
[05:30] <JoeMaverickSett> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4110246&postcount=13 <-- might this be the fix, not sure though. /me don't have nvidia :|
[05:30] <gunndawg> ddecator, hmmm still no battery docklet, strange, maybe it needs a full system reboot ?
[05:30] <linuxrunner> Yes, it does, GeForce 8200
[05:31] <ddecator> gunndawg: shouldn't..
[05:31] <gunndawg> ddecator, , strange
[05:31] <ddecator> linuxrunner: is the nvidia-current package installed?
[05:31] <gunndawg> ddecator, do you have frostwire at all?
[05:32] <linuxrunner> Yes, but not nvidia-current-dev
[05:32] <gunndawg> ddecator, because it also acts funky with docky
[05:34] <gunndawg> ddecator, I guess the battery docklet only works if your battery is below 98% and not plugged in
[05:36] <ddecator> linuxrunner: nvidia-current should be what you need, but jocky should see that you need it and activate it for you...
[05:36] <ddecator> gunndawg: huh, that's strange. and no, i don't use frostwire
[05:36] <linuxrunner> ddecator: what steps should I take, then?
[05:36] <gunndawg> ddecator, alright, im just looking for a decent P2P app
[05:37] <ddecator> gunndawg: i used to use utorrent for that stuff
[05:37] <gunndawg> ddecator, what about for music though ?
[05:37] <ddecator> linuxrunner: well, launching jocky the way JoeMaverickSett pointed out is supposed to work. i'm not sure how to troubleshoot it not working unfortunately :/
[05:38] <ddecator> gunndawg: i use Rdio which is web-based
[05:38] <gunndawg> Rdio ?
[05:38] <linuxrunner> ddecator, what about activating the x driver?
[05:38] <gunndawg> ddecator, is Rdio free?
[05:39] <ddecator> gunndawg: nope, i pay for my music now
[05:39] <ddecator> and Rdio is just getting me by until Spotify comes to the states
[05:39] <gunndawg> ddecator, oh alright
[05:46] <gunndawg> wow, docky takes quite a bit of system resources
[05:46] <gunndawg> more than skype, lol
[05:46] <gunndawg> heck, more than anything, its the #1 memory user in my processes
[05:47] <gunndawg> what a pig
[05:47] <linuxrunner> I'm trying to istall the driver directly from nvidia.com
[05:53] <linuxrunner> hello?
[05:54] <linuxrunner> looking for people... not interested in bots.
[06:00] <ddecator> not sure if they provide a .deb or not...either way, the nvidia-current package is the driver, it's just not activating for some reason
[06:00] <ddecator> gunndawg: docky sometimes uses a lot of memory if you use nvidia
[06:01] <ddecator> the two don't always play nice
[06:01] <gunndawg> ddecator, yeah well I use intel graphics
[06:01] <gunndawg> its a toshiba laptop
[06:02] <ddecator> then i have no idea :/
[06:02] <gunndawg> oh well
[06:02] <gunndawg> 27.0MiB usage
[06:03] <seidos> linuxrunner: what's wrong with bots?  :(
[06:05]  * gunndawg loves bots
[06:06] <linuxrunner> seidos: they don't pass the turing test
[06:06] <gunndawg> the what test ?
[06:07] <seidos> alan turing...poor guy.
[06:08] <seidos> linuxrunner: sometimes they do, actually
[06:10] <gunndawg> I just realized my mic doesnt work on ubuntu, it plugs in right next to my headphones
[06:10] <seidos> might mic works now, thankfully
[06:11] <gunndawg> is it USB or audio jack ?
[06:21] <gunndawg> seidos, you left me hangin!
[06:22] <seidos> gunndawg: dude, sorry.  you gotta' include my nickname.  i'm chatting in like 3 rooms right now
[06:26] <gunndawg> seidos, haha its fine, are you plugging your mic in via USB or a mic port ?
[06:28] <seidos> gunndawg: it's the built in mic that works.  i do want to try an external soundcard at some point, however
[06:28] <gunndawg> because mine is a mic port and I am wondering if I have to modify something else in the alsa-base.conf to get my mic to work now considering I had to with my speakers which are the same card
[06:28] <gunndawg> well not my speakers, but my headphones
[06:30] <gunndawg> seidos, forgot to type your name again, haha
[06:31] <seidos> gunndawg: do you know about tab complete?
[06:31] <gunndawg> seidos, yeah I just forget to use it, sorry
[06:32] <seidos> gunndawg: np
[06:32] <seidos> gunndawg: oh, check alsamixer in a shell for frontmic volume.  if that volume is down the mic here doesn't work
[06:33] <gunndawg> seidos, which meter on alsamixer is supposed to be the mic ?
[06:33] <seidos> gunndawg: hit tab once, should take you to where you need to be
[06:34] <gunndawg> ok
[06:34] <gunndawg> seidos, it says L     R    and has capture 100<>100 undernead it
[06:35] <gunndawg> seidos, the meter is like maxed out but it doesnt move
[06:35] <seidos> gunndawg: hmmm, that's different than mine.  it could be that 'capture' is the line input for your sound card
[06:36] <seidos> gunndawg: i don't have a line input device to test with my notebook
[06:36] <gunndawg> seidos, http://min.us/mv1Cwm
[06:42] <seidos> gunndawg: ah, can you change analog mic boost and int mic boost?
[06:43] <seidos> gunndawg: not sure if it you're interested, but if your eyes get tired you can try super (usually windows logo button) +n to invert the colors of a window
[06:43] <gunndawg> yeah
[06:43] <gunndawg> both to 40dB now
[06:43] <seidos> gunndawg: now try recording something in sound recorder
[06:44] <seidos> best way to test it since the program is so simple
[06:44] <seidos> gunndawg: what time is it where you are?
[06:44] <gunndawg> seidos, 10:45pm, and where is sound recorder, heh
[06:45] <seidos> gunndawg: sound & video
[06:45] <seidos> gunndawg: or alt-f2 gnome-sound-recorder
[06:46] <gunndawg> its not recording anything :(
[06:46] <gunndawg> seidos, no recording
[06:47] <seidos> gunndawg: what's the next step?  :P
[06:47] <gunndawg> seidos, haha good question
[06:47] <seidos> kernel module, alsa, or pulseaudio?  searching the web for "microphone record <sound chip>" probably wouldn't hurt, gunndawg
[06:49] <seidos> i forget your chip, something like a connexant...
[06:49] <seidos> cm250?
[06:49] <gunndawg> seidos, pulseaudio
[06:49] <gunndawg> Conexant CX20585
[06:51] <seidos> gunndawg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/701271
[06:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701271 in linux "[Conexant CX20585] Recording problem with internal mic" [Undecided,In progress]
[06:51] <seidos> sorry, we should be checking launchpad first thing
[06:52] <gunndawg> seidos, are you suggesting I try "options snd_hda_intel model=hp-laptop" in the alsa-base.conf ?
[06:54] <seidos> gunndawg: nope.  but it wouldn't hurt
[06:54] <seidos> gunndawg: why?  did you see something like that on the launchpad link?
[06:55] <gunndawg> No, its what was on the link you pasted to me
[06:55] <gunndawg> seidos, at least the first fix on that page was
[06:56] <seidos> i haven't read the whole thing yet
[06:56] <seidos> gunndawg: have you heard of noisebridge?
[06:56] <gunndawg> seidos, nope
[06:56] <seidos> er, that link says "internal mic" not sure if that will help
[06:57] <gunndawg> seidos, ah ok
[06:58] <gunndawg> seidos he says its for the "first headphone jack"
[06:58] <gunndawg> seidos, unless im reading that wrong
[06:59] <seidos> yeah, and it says "mic-jack is also working"...
[06:59] <seidos> so, i dunno
[07:00] <seidos> the strange thing, here, though, is why would the options snd-hda-intel model=<somelaptop> make a difference?
[07:00] <seidos> if the sound chip is xyz soundchip, then what difference does the laptop model make?
[07:00] <seidos> it sounds like the laptop model is a kind of hack for what needs to be a custom driver for each notebook
[07:00] <seidos> but there probably aren't enough developers to make that happen
[07:00] <seidos> at least no FOSS developers
[07:00] <gunndawg> yeah
[07:01] <francis> hello... is burg supported here? i have a question for it..
[07:01] <gunndawg> seidos well I did apply it to my alsa-base.conf so I am gonna give a reboot and see what gives
[07:01] <seidos> gunndawg: good luck
[07:01] <gunndawg> seidos thanks, brb
[07:05] <gunndawg> seidos ok now when I say something the meter does move, and sound recorder actually makes noise, but its like an empty static
[07:05] <seidos> gunndawg: lower the volume now, to something like 50%
[07:06] <seidos> i should go to sleep gunndawg, i will hopefully see you tomorrow
[07:06] <gunndawg> seidos bah ok :(
[07:39] <kristian-aalborg> morning
[07:40] <gunndawg> good morning
[08:33] <kristian-aalborg> seidos: testing with bonnie++ now
[08:35] <kristian-aalborg> I ran smartctl but it said everything was fine
[08:40] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/3u5L6k87 - bonnie output... nothing wrong?!
[09:19] <gunndawg> Anyone have any clue why using either chrome or firefox on 10.10 that my CPU usage pretty much maxes out ?
[09:19] <bioterror> possible flash
[09:20] <gunndawg> oh really ?
[09:21] <gunndawg> is there anything I can do about it? pretty sure its not ok to run the system at 99% CPU, some times 100%
[09:24] <bioterror> are you surfing web pages with flash?
[09:25] <gunndawg> bioterror, yeah
[09:25] <bioterror> if you just start up the browser, does use 100% cpu then?
[09:25] <bioterror> it
[09:25] <gunndawg> no, it gradually climbs
[09:25] <bioterror> okay
[09:25] <gunndawg> as I stream live video feeds, or youtube, etc
[09:25] <bioterror> yep
[09:25] <bioterror> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:25] <bioterror> what's your cpu and MHz ;)
[09:26] <gunndawg> cpu MHz		: 2194.762
[09:26] <bioterror> oh fast that is
[09:26] <gunndawg> model name	: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU          900  @ 2.20GHz
[09:26] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:27] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:27] <bioterror> open terminal
[09:27] <gunndawg> ok
[09:27] <bioterror> and put something to stream from youtube
[09:27] <bioterror> and run this in terminal: watch grep \"cpu MHz\" /proc/cpuinfo
[09:29] <gunndawg> ok
[09:29] <bioterror> is the cpu at 2.2GHz or at 900MHz
[09:29] <gunndawg> ok
[09:30] <gunndawg> cpu MHz         : 2194.762
[09:30] <gunndawg> from "watch grep \"cpu MHz\" /proc/cpuinfo
[09:31] <bioterror> yep
[09:31] <bioterror> so the cpu is doing work
[09:31] <gunndawg> now its bounching around 35 - 40%
[09:31] <bioterror> are you using 32bit or 64bit ubuntu
[09:32] <gunndawg> 32bit ubuntu
[09:32] <bioterror> hmm
[09:32] <bioterror> oh, if it's around 35-40%, it's okay
[09:32] <gunndawg> that seems like a pretty heavy load
[09:32] <gunndawg> but what do I do when it starts going above that back into the 90's ?
[09:33] <bioterror> 35-40% is a normal load for a flash video in a browser
[09:33] <gunndawg> oh ok
[09:33] <bioterror> those require some juice from CPU
[09:34] <bioterror> brb, I'm going to boot and test if this disk finally works
[09:34] <bioterror> usb pendrive
[09:34] <bioterror> trying to install lubuntu from usbstick
[09:35] <gunndawg> when I watch the same video on the same site in chromium its up to like 90%
[09:38] <bioterror> vimeo's videos takes more CPU than youtubes
[09:39] <webjadmin> They do. =/
[09:39] <bioterror> but that's becouse vimeo has alot better quality than youtube
[09:40] <gunndawg> is it alright to run your CPU that high long enough to watch a video ?
[09:40] <gunndawg> am I being overly cautious ? lol
[09:41] <bioterror> you can monitor the cpu temperature
[09:41] <gunndawg> how so ? and I am not entirely sure what to high for this particular laptop and cpu
[09:42] <bioterror> I'm a little angry as I cant get lubuntu-10.10.iso to boot from usbstick
[09:43] <gunndawg> your wanting to change to lubuntu?
[09:43] <bioterror> if this world was perfect, we just could do: dd if=foooobar.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1024
[09:43] <bioterror> gunndawg, I dont use any other buntus than lubuntus ;)
[09:43] <gunndawg> you goin from ubuntu 10.10 to lubuntu 10.10 ?
[09:44] <bioterror> njaeh, I installed SalixOS last night, I wanted to try their LXDE desktop
[09:44] <gunndawg> oh ok, why is that? just curious ? is regular ubuntu that big ?
[09:44] <bioterror> gunndawg, I have my perversions
[10:18] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:48] <eee-bang> seidos, ping
[10:48] <eee-bang> this is kristian-aalborg from another machine
[10:50] <eee-bang> I'm running the rescuecd now to find out what's wrong
[12:17] <eee-bang> http://pastebin.com/gj1BHdzZ
[12:17] <eee-bang> this looks bad, amirite?
[12:17] <eee-bang> it
[12:18] <eee-bang> sorry, small keyboard... it's a script that I usually run, but this looks wrong - note the last line
[12:18] <eee-bang> blfriis, hej ;)
[12:20] <duanedesign> hello eee-bang
[12:20] <eee-bang> hi duanedesign
[12:20] <eee-bang> I should mention that I'm actually kristian-aalborg
[12:21] <duanedesign> looks like it is trying to remove the old kernels and install a new one. Should be ok, however I like to leave at least one old kernel in case something goes wrong with the new one
[12:22] <eee-bang> duanedesign, you have to read it bottom up ;)
[12:22] <eee-bang> the one with uname -r is the one I have... but it looks like the one it
[12:23] <blfriis> eee-bang, hej
[12:23] <eee-bang> ... it's trying to install
[12:24] <eee-bang> no, wait... it actually only wants to remove the old kernel
[12:24] <eee-bang> coolio
[12:45] <eee-bang> http://pastebin.com/L4L8SBkv
[12:45] <eee-bang> any comments on this simple update script?
[12:54] <yofel> eee-bang: you might want to add a a full-upgrade run after safe-upgrade, shouldn't be needed in stable releases, but PPAs would be a use case
[13:01] <eee-bang> yofel, this is a vanilla install
[13:02]  * eee-bang never heard of that command, also
[13:03] <yofel> aptitude safe-upgrade ~= apt-get upgrade, aptitude full-upgrade ~= apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:04] <eee-bang> ah
[13:05] <eee-bang> ls
[13:05] <eee-bang> wrong window, sorry ;)
[13:05] <yofel> happens to everyone at some point :P
[13:06] <eee-bang> not the first time, tbh ;)
[13:06] <eee-bang> my script should be a substitute for update-manager, does it miss anything?
[13:07] <eee-bang> apart from taking a lot of resources, of course ;)
[14:11] <tronyx> ping cp
[14:11] <tronyx> men
[14:12] <Timo_> hey, how can I open a CD with wine? Now it says it doesn't have executable permission, and I can't change the permission because the cd is not writable.
[14:17] <Timo_> found it! Thanks anyways.
[14:18] <Timo_> - the solution: opening a terminal: cd /media/<thenameofCD> and then wine name-of-installer.exe
[14:38] <proberos> how can I disable my operating system's asking password on screensaver quit ?
[14:39] <Puck`> hi proberos
[14:39] <proberos> hi
[14:39] <Puck`> ouh I'm not on ubuntu at the moment, but I guess you should look around the preferences menu
[14:39] <Puck`> Screensaver, maybe?
[14:40] <proberos> there is no option on screensaver menu for disabling password
[14:40] <proberos> I also want it is not asking any password anytime ?
[14:41] <JoeMaverickSett> proberos: may be uncheck "Lock screen when screensaver is active" might do it
[14:41] <proberos> ok I will try
[14:42] <proberos> thanks
[14:42]  * JoeMaverickSett waves at Puck` & shadeslayer :)
[14:43] <shadeslayer> oh hai JoeMaverickSett :)
[14:43] <JoeMaverickSett> shadeslayer: hello. :D
[14:43] <Puck`> hi joe
[14:44] <JoeMaverickSett> hey, Puck`
[14:44] <JoeMaverickSett> how do you do? :)
[14:44] <Puck`> very well, thank you *bows* Yourself? (:
[14:44] <JoeMaverickSett> hehe, *bows* am fine too, thank you for asking. :D
[15:06] <holstein> w0w
[15:06] <holstein> the lubuntu blog is quite handy
[15:06] <holstein> http://lubuntu.net/blog
[15:45] <Daniel0108> hi
[15:46] <Daniel0108> I have a question about DNS entries ;)
[15:54] <holstein> Daniel0108: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System
[15:59] <Daniel0108> holstein, I know
[15:59] <Daniel0108> but can you help me?
[16:00] <Daniel0108> I have a .at and a .com domain
[16:00] <Daniel0108> I set up the .com domain ;)
[16:00] <Daniel0108> now I want to connect the .at domain with the .com domain
[16:00] <holstein> i suppose i would forward the domain
[16:00] <Daniel0108> I changed the .at domains DNS settings, I added a MX 10 entry that points to my .com domain
[16:01] <Daniel0108> yeah, but forward isn't possible
[16:01] <holstein> at the registrar
[16:01] <Daniel0108> I just have DNS settings
[16:02] <holstein> Daniel0108: i know that is do-able
[16:02] <holstein> not something i have had to tackle myself
[16:02] <Daniel0108> okay..
[16:02] <holstein> might want to search in some more network specific locations
[16:03] <holstein> theres a guy in my loco that does that
[16:03] <holstein> if you want to try
[16:03] <holstein> #ubuntu-us-nc
[16:03] <holstein> gotta run...
[16:05] <nhandler> Anyone have a fast CLI tool for converting a bunch of .mp4 videos to .ogv ? I've been using ffmpeg2theora, but for some reason, it is taking about 4 times the video length to convert
[16:06] <Daniel0108> holstein, thanks ;)
[16:08] <geirha> nhandler: tried changing --speedlevel?
[16:10] <nhandler> geirha: No. I somehow missed that option. I'll try it in a few minutes to see how big of a drop in video quality there is
[16:38] <nhandler> geirha: It is still taking about 30min for a 3 minte video
[17:01] <geirha> nhandler: Ouch.
[19:04] <gurkan_> hi all
[19:05] <gurkan_> how to set the smtp server of my provider in my home's mailrc file i use mailutils 2.1
[19:07] <bioterror> GNU Mailutils supports two types of mailer URLs, described in the table below. As usual, square brackets indicate optional parts:
[19:07] <bioterror> smtp://host[:port]
[19:07] <bioterror> http://mailutils.org/manual/mailutils.html more from there
[19:08] <gurkan_> i saw this manual but not enough clear
[19:09] <gurkan_> i set smtp://my.smtpserver.stuff but don't work
[19:10] <gurkan_> thank u for your answer
[19:10] <bioterror> did you have some programs in your mind which you're going to use for sending mails
[19:11] <bioterror> but I can tell you a little secret, these questions belongs to server section, not for beginners ;)
[19:13] <gurkan_> why did u think that it belong to server section
[19:14] <gurkan_> ok i see
[19:14] <bioterror> becouse neil newbie doesnt use mailutils, instead he uses something like thunderbird or evolution
[19:15] <gurkan_> true
[19:15] <gurkan_> thank
[19:15] <bioterror> np
[19:40] <doez> Evening. Can anyone help me with a network problem? My msn-clients are not receiveing all messages that other people are sending. I have pidgin version 2.7.9 and have tried several clients without result. I have to look at the hotmail.com website to actually see if I missed a message, and almost always I lose about 50% of messages taken.
[19:42] <bioterror> doez, tell your friends to use IRC ;)
[19:42] <bioterror> nothing much to do, i think
[19:43] <pedro3005> doez, emesene? amsn? kmess?
[19:43] <doez> pedro: As I said, Pidgin.
[19:43] <pedro3005> I mean, tried any of these?
[19:43] <doez> Yes, amsn.
[19:43] <pedro3005> works in windows?
[19:44] <doez> That I don't know.
[19:44] <doez> It used to do.
[19:44] <pedro3005> no longer have it?
[19:44] <doez> No, my SSD crashed.
[19:45] <pedro3005> you didn't configure any firewall did you?
[19:45] <doez> For Linux, no.
[19:46] <doez> That'd be the first thing id check if I did.
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> is anyone using minitube 1.3? Can't get it to build
[19:48] <doez> I haven't done anything fancy at all with the networking part. Still It doesn't work for any client.
[19:50] <kristian-aalborg> hmm... I got it going... it will search for (and find) videos, but not play them
[20:07] <walkkenn> My built in mic doesn't work in my ASUS PC1001PXD-MU17.  alsamixer says my soundcard is a REALTEK ALC259.  I have tried many things, but still can't get it to work.  Anybody have any ideas?
[20:11] <walkkenn> MrChrisDruif  By the way, like you suggested, I tried the upgrade to the latest version of ALSA and same problem.  One of the things that I realized is the INPUT on the Sound control does not have a list of microphones.
[20:11] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...
[20:11] <MrChrisDruif> Did I suggest that? :D
[20:13] <walkkenn> MrChrisDruif - yes, day before yesterday I think.  Thanks for the help anyway.  I know it is a problem with ALSA
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> Well...I can't remember, but is your problem sorted?
[20:23] <walkkenn> MrChrisDruif - No, but thanks for your help anyway.  It helped me narrow down the problem.
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> Happy to help, always :)
[22:16] <yax51> you it, surprise me how "special" people are sometimes....
[22:16] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656466&highlight=keyboard
[22:18] <pleia2> trolls :(
[22:18] <MattHarrison> way too funny
[22:19] <yax51> more then likely, but I just came across it while trying to find a solution to fix my keyboard
[22:20] <webjadmin> yax51: That made my day!
[22:21] <yax51> webjadmin: glad I could help, just posted it to my face book as well ;)
[22:21] <yax51> anyway, I seem to be having keyboard issues, it randomly skips keystrokes
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> Funny....
[22:22] <JackyAlcine> yax51: Skips?
[22:23] <MattHarrison> laptop or desktop?
[22:23] <yax51> JackyAlcine: yeah, when I type and hit a key, it doesn't detect it, it's very irritating..
[22:24] <yax51> So when I type it looks like I ca't spell or space things correctly
[22:25] <yax51> I am running an ASUS g50vt, and there is not much support on their website for anything
[22:26] <yax51> I suspet that I might have to update the BIOS, but I can't seemt o find an update
[22:27] <yax51> MattHarrison: Laptop
[22:32] <yax51> I thought about calling their tech support, but their tech support is dumb and they are going to tell me to do a reinstall of windows before they can help me
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: They enforce Windows on us EVERYWHERE =-O....my parents bought a motherboard the other day....got a cd with it with drivers on it for Windows :P
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> (Linux doesn't need drivers ;))
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> Well...none that YOU need to install :P
[22:37] <yofel> then you know why there was no linux support CD in the box :P
[22:37] <yax51> MrChrisDruif: not always true, I had to install some drivers to get my audio working properly
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: Most of the time it works ootb :P
[22:38] <yax51> MrChrisDruif: true, but yeah, tech support won't even talk to me unless I have windows...
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> I know....same <_<"
[22:39] <yax51> Which is dumb...because I am convinced this is a BIOS issue
[22:39] <yax51> and has nothing to do with windows at all
[22:39] <yax51> in fact it was having this problem WHILE I still had windows on my machine
[22:40] <yax51> maybe I should call them and lie and say I still have windows vista just to get the BIOS I need....
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> Woohoo...misconception for personal gain :D
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> Make Windows feel it...
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> When they give it...give them another call...and tell them you've got Ubuntu installed instead of Windows ;)
[22:55] <yax51> I like it!!
[22:55] <yax51> I'm going to do that right now!!!
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome :D
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> Let me know how it goes :D
[23:06] <yax51> ok I got the BIOS, but thy want me to install in using winflash
[23:07] <yax51> is there another way to install in without using winflash in maverick?
[23:09] <MrChrisDruif> You mean flashing the BIOS?
[23:11] <yax51> yes
[23:12] <yax51> what about flashrom?
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> You can flash BIOS with floppy and more modern versions also with usb I thought
[23:16] <yax51> so I just put it on to a usb, and boot it up via usb?
[23:23] <yax51> hmmm
[23:23] <yax51> ok that didn't work...
[23:26] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: Look it up on google of your motherboard supports it and if it does search on how to do it :)
[23:26] <yax51> doing that now
[23:39] <yax51> hmm can't seem to find ANYTHING
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> Remind me when you see me again...I'll take a look then :)
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> Off to bed now :)
[23:40] <yax51> cool thanks!
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> Bye :D


[12:49] <leny> Are there any plans to add Maestro or Paypal to the billing options on uo ?
[12:51] <aquarius> leny, I don't know. I'll ask
[12:52] <leny> Thanks I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't use _credit_ cards but has a debit card. I'll wait
[12:52] <aquarius> it's on the list of stuff we'd like to do at some future point, but we don't yet have a time when it'll happen, sorry
[12:54] <leny> aquarius, OK, announce it on the twitter etc if/when it happends and you'll have one more customer.  Thanks
[12:54] <aquarius> leny, no problem :)
[15:00] <CardinalFang> Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS.  Say 'me' to claim a slice of the stand-up meeting, then take your turn by saying DONE/TODO/BLOCKED.
[15:00] <teknico> me
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:00] <CardinalFang> me
[15:01] <urbanape> me
[15:04] <aquarius> me
[15:05] <teknico> rodrigo_, vds?
[15:05] <rodrigo_> me
[15:06] <teknico> I'll start
[15:06] <teknico> DONE: started strengthening net access, started configuring funambol for sending sms messages (#418048), some bug triaging
[15:06] <teknico> TODO: more bug triaging, finish configuring funambol for sending sms messages (#418048), finish strengthening net access
[15:06] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:06] <teknico> next: jblount
[15:07] <jblount> DONE: Catchup from holiday, started public links web ui
[15:07] <jblount> TODO: Finish public links web ui, chat with statik about prioritiz/sing stuff for this week
[15:07] <jblount> BLOCKED: Just updated trunk and got bit by #503395
[15:07] <jblount> CardinalFang: YOU!
[15:07] <CardinalFang> DONE: cleaned up local machines.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> TODO: code reviews.  put jobs in bugs or blueprints to placate boss.  fix tomboy subsequent-revision bug in server.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:07] <CardinalFang> urbanape, if you please....
[15:07] <urbanape> DONE: Came up with a simpler, far more brilliant plan with the help of aquarius and thisfred. Started gutting code.
[15:07] <urbanape> TODO: Finish it up, between on-call reviewing.
[15:08] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:08] <urbanape> This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius! Aquarius! Aquarius!
[15:08] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: start putting together music store screenshots for review; allow music store widget to correctly log in to website; allow dev server to see live music store; update music store blueprint with work items
[15:08] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: package rhythmbox plugin; make music store views better; make workitems of outstanding todo items; make tomboy first-sync experience nicer
[15:08] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:08] <aquarius> rodrigo ftw
[15:08] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Packaging of libubuntuone. More new XML<->HTML converter work. Music store discussions. More contacts picker work
[15:08] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Add envvar to override music store default location
[15:08] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:08] <rodrigo_> next vds
[15:08] <aquarius> er, put "package RB plugin" on rodrigo_'s todo :)
[15:08] <rodrigo_> aquarius: yeah
[15:09] <rodrigo_> aquarius: you need to do a release first though
[15:10] <jcastro> hey wait, the rb bits are a plugin? all self contained?
[15:11] <aquarius> jcastro, it's in two halves; a U1MusicStore gtk widget, and a RB plugin which embeds the widget.
[15:11] <jcastro> oh ok, I am just wondering how much surgery will be done to rb itself
[15:11] <aquarius> None. It's a plugin.
[15:12] <aquarius> No hackery in RB core required.
[15:12] <jcastro> right, that makes that mail I sent you guys about talking to rb upstream moot. So, yay!
[15:13] <aquarius> well, kinda; I spoke to RB upstream anyway, with lots of "I want to do X. How do I do it?" questions, but they were very helpful :)
[15:13]  * jcastro nods
[15:13] <jcastro> you two make my job very easy
[15:15] <aquarius> I try :)
[15:15] <aquarius> vds?
[15:16] <jcastro> vds?
[15:17] <aquarius> jcastro, I'm pinging vds to take his part in the standup meeting :P
[15:18] <jcastro> oh, I suppose I'll stop interrupting, sorry!
[15:19] <vds> sorry was in a call
[15:20] <vds> DONE: working on branch to configure funambol to send sms messages #418048
[15:20] <vds> TODO: finish this branch to setup funambol to send sms messages
[15:20] <vds> BLOCKED: I'm waiting for the funambol support guys to answer to the ticket I've filed
[16:35] <urbanape> an editor wish: bzr integration that shows real time diffs on the documents I'm working on.
[16:36] <urbanape> I'm sure there's an emacs mode somewhere that does it.
[16:47] <adiroiban> hi. If this is the right channel for couchdb desktop, I have one question. In Ubuntu Karmic, any couchdb database will be synced with Ubuntu One, or only notes and contacts?
[16:47] <tcole> Well, sort of. You can create other desktop-couch databases which will be synced
[16:48] <tcole> but that doesn't automatically apply to any database you might have in a local couchdb instance
[16:49] <adiroiban> tcole: by default, couchdb replication will not create new databases
[16:49] <tcole> ah, point
[16:50] <adiroiban> tcole: does couchdb desktop also handle / initialize synchronizations?
[16:50] <tcole> I don't actually know offhand
[16:50] <tcole> urbanape: ping
[16:51] <adiroiban> on my default Karmic system, with Ubuntu One, the couchdb also contains the test suite databases
[16:51] <adiroiban> and ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log complains about them
[16:51]  * tcole nods
[16:53] <adiroiban> is this the right place to talk about couchdb dektop?
[16:53] <tcole> yes
[16:53] <tcole> I'm hoping one of the desktopcouch devs will chime in
[16:54] <aquarius> hey
[16:54] <aquarius> adiroiban, any databases in desktopcouch, except for those that are explicitly excluded, will be synchronized
[16:55] <tcole> thanks aquarius
[16:55] <aquarius> adiroiban, we go a step beyond "stock" Couch replication, in that we create the DBs in other couches (Ubuntu One, other paired desktopcouch servers) that are replicated to
[16:55] <adiroiban> aquarius: I see, so I can use Ubuntu one as my couchdb in the cloud ?
[16:56] <urbanape> tcole: pong
[16:56] <aquarius> adiroiban, that depends on what you want to use it for. You certainly can access it directly, but access to Ubuntu One's couchdb, like desktopcouch, is secured with OAuth
[16:56] <tcole> urbanape: I've got a user with a question about deleting bookmarks with bindwood -- they delete from firefox, but the bookmark is coming back
[16:56] <aquarius> adiroiban, so you can't, for example, browse Futon in a browser. You can store data in it and retrieve data from it directly, though.
[16:56] <adiroiban> aquarius: well. I have a small desktop app for keeping track of my notes and tasks
[16:57] <adiroiban> right now I'm using sqlite
[16:57] <adiroiban> but I will be happy to move the backend to couchdb using couchdbdesktop
[16:57] <urbanape> tcole: do you know what version they're using?
[16:57] <aquarius> adiroiban, excellent! I'd love to answer all the questions I can to help you do that
[16:58] <adiroiban> the problem is that it is written in vala
[16:58] <adiroiban> i start hacking the current vapi file
[16:59] <adiroiban> and it should solve the problem
[16:59] <adiroiban> but I was not sure about the scope of couchdb desktop
[16:59] <aquarius> adiroiban, ooh, vala. I don't think there is, yet, a desktopcouch library for Vala. This is a good chance to create one, though :) You could either bind couchdb-glib to Vala, or build one from scratch (based on an existing couchdb library? is there one for vala?)
[17:00] <adiroiban> aquarius: I assume I can look at evolution-couchdb implementation and implement the same logic in my app
[17:00] <aquarius> adiroiban, certainly, yes, or desktopcouch.records, which is Python; I don't know which would be easier for you to follow
[17:00] <aquarius> (the python would certainly be easier for me, but I'm more a Python guy than a C guy :))
[17:00] <tcole> urbanape: I don't; I will try to find out.
[17:01] <adiroiban> aquarius: I am not aware of any „native” couchdb lib for vala
[17:01] <urbanape> tcole: is there a bug #?
[17:01] <tcole> urbanape: right now it's still a question and I haven't converted it to a bug yet: https://answers.launchpad.net/bindwood/+question/95105
[17:01] <adiroiban> but I think a (nice crafted) binding for couchdb-glib should do the trick
[17:01] <aquarius> adiroiban, yeah, so you can either match the desktopcouch.records API or the couchdb-glib API (or invent your own, if you prefer, although sticking with an existing one would beideal :))
[17:02] <aquarius> adiroiban, the chap to talk to about details of couchdb-glib is rodrigo_, who's currently eating dinner or something :)
[17:02] <adiroiban> I don't like inventing that kind of things :)
[17:02] <adiroiban> aquarius: yep. I will hunt rodrigo later :)
[17:03] <aquarius> cool -- couchdb-glib is necessarily a more basic API than desktopcouch.records, just because C's more basic :)
[17:03] <urbanape> tcole: thanks. I have vague recollections of that being fixed a while ago.
[17:04] <adiroiban> aquarius: thanks for the info. I am happy to hear Ubuntu One can be used as a  generic couchdb replication server
[17:05] <aquarius> adiroiban, it can indeed, yep -- desktopcouch.replication handles the replication logic (in particular, OAuth-signing replication requests and so on)
[17:07] <adiroiban> aquarius: but from the point of view of a desktop app developer, I only need to care about reading and writing the local couchdb. No need for explicity replicationrequests. Is this correct?
[17:07] <aquarius> adiroiban, totally correct. You just write to desktopcouch; your data is replicated up to Ubuntu One and down to any other paired machines you have
[17:07] <aquarius> you don't have to do any of that replication; we take care of that for you
[17:07] <adiroiban> aquarius: great. just like in a perfect world :)
[17:08] <aquarius> adiroiban, that's the Ubuntu One Promise. ;-)
[17:09] <adiroiban> Is there a problem with Cromium and Ubuntu One webpage?
[17:10] <adiroiban> or Epiphany
[17:10] <aquarius> adiroiban, there shouldn't be; I'm using Chromium :) What sort of problem are you having?
[17:10] <adiroiban> I can not use the online note editor
[17:11] <aquarius> what do you mean by "can't use"?
[17:11] <adiroiban> well. I can not save notes
[17:11] <aquarius> ah, that's a server problem; it's being worked on
[17:12] <aquarius> I'm not sure where the fix is for that; CardinalFang may know more, when he's around
[17:12] <adiroiban> also the notes and contacts are not synced with my local couchdb
[17:13] <adiroiban> I was able to copy all my evolution contact to couchdb agenda
[17:13] <adiroiban> they were pushed to Ubuntu One
[17:13] <adiroiban> but I can no longer access the Ubuntu one agenda in evolution
[17:13] <adiroiban> and using Futon, I can see that contacts are not synced
[17:14] <adiroiban> is this also a known problem?
[17:14] <aquarius> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/Troubleshooting has some tips for if desktopcouch has got confused and stopped working with evolution
[17:15] <homeasvs> aquarius, ping
[17:15] <aquarius> homeasvs, pong! happy new year, pal :)
[17:15] <homeasvs> same to all of you!
[17:15] <homeasvs> so I have a branch of 0.5 on launchpad that uses python-keyring
[17:16] <aquarius> you are a hero of the revolution
[17:16] <homeasvs> obviously since python-keyring is a simpler api it cannot generate exactly the same secrets as with gnome-keyring
[17:16] <homeasvs> I don't know if you need migration code then to cover that case ?
[17:16] <aquarius> ah. I was worried that might happen, but I hadn't looked closely enough into pytohn-keyring to be sure
[17:16] <aquarius> thisfred, ping/
[17:17] <aquarius> homeasvs, what are the differences?
[17:17] <thisfred> yo
[17:17] <homeasvs> aquarius, I need to fix it on maemo so that it uses an unencrypted file store, otherwise dbus activation hangs because it asks for a password on the console
[17:17] <aquarius> thisfred, desktopcouch 0.5 with python-keyring! l00k! ^^
[17:17] <homeasvs> aquarius, it's a simple api - basically set_password(service, username, password)
[17:17] <thisfred> awesome!
[17:17] <homeasvs> aquarius, so none of the extra info you guys use, but I don't think that's a big deal
[17:18] <homeasvs> aquarius, my current problem on maemo is that desktopcouch-service now starts and launches couchdb, but then hangs because it can't find an avahi service file or something
[17:18] <aquarius> so we'd need to think about migration (or, possibly, having it deal seamlessly with both, rather than forcibly upgrading your keyring password, which would be better)
[17:19] <homeasvs> well, I'd have to say that the python-keyring api is a little too light to my taste
[17:19] <homeasvs> not to mention, blocking, so ugh imo
[17:19] <aquarius> homeasvs, erm...desktopcouch-service hangs? that's not supposed to happen
[17:19] <homeasvs> the keys have a generic name when you look at them in seahorse, not ideal
[17:19] <aquarius> yeah, the API's not ideal, but "don't bind desktopcouch tightly to gnome" is enough of a win that we can live with the pain of blocking simple APIs.
[17:20] <homeasvs> aquarius, oh, lots of things happened that aren't supposed to happen as I ported to fedora and maemo
[17:20] <aquarius> if there was something that was non-blocking and rich and also cross-platform then that'd be, y'know, great :)
[17:20] <homeasvs> apparently my six days erlang build on maemo is incomplete as it misses all of the ssl stuff
[17:20] <homeasvs> hm, that might be a good twisted project to start at some point
[17:20] <aquarius> ooh, that will probably mean that it won't sync to Ubuntu One if there's no SSL :(
[17:21] <aquarius> thisfred, so, what's the best way of us looking at getting this lovely python-keyring stuff into core desktopcouch?
[17:21] <aquarius> could just submit a merge proposal for review, but I'm a bit concerned about it being very invasive
[17:22] <thisfred> aquarius: we might need upgrade code if it is, which means we'll have to think about upgrade infrastructure, which we will need to do some day anyway
[17:23] <aquarius> homeasvs, I wonder about allowing python-keyring to optionally take extra parameters which are passed on to the underlying implementation, so you can add keynames in gnome-keyring...although that might be The Wrong Thing
[17:24] <homeasvs> aquarius, that's what I was thinking too
[17:24] <thisfred> aquarius: I don't know much about the preferred way to do this in ubuntu/desktop/python apps. There must be something we can use. Setuptools?
[17:25] <aquarius> what concerns me is not breaking other consumers (obvious example is couchdb-glib)
[17:25] <adiroiban> aquarius: my problem is that org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort is timeout by message bus
[17:25] <aquarius> so I'd much, much, much rather not change how the keys are stored if we can possibly avoid it, rather than upgrade the key storage
[17:26] <homeasvs> https://code.launchpad.net/~thomasvs/desktopcouch/0.5-keyring <- this is the branch
[17:26] <homeasvs> first commit was 'just move keyring code to one module, creating a function for each type of key access'
[17:26] <homeasvs> ie, a refactoring of existing code
[17:26] <homeasvs> second commit was 'now use keyring instead'
[17:26] <homeasvs> and third commit was 'I did something wrong in the first commit', so sorry about that
[17:27] <homeasvs> aquarius, that's probably only possible with a) changes to python-keyring or b) some still-gnome-keyring-specific code (but doable; load keyring; figure out if it's trying to us gnome-keyring; if so, use specific code)
[17:28] <aquarius> I've got no problem with changes to python-keyring if they'll be accepted upstream, which I'd think they would be if they were generic enough?
[17:29] <aquarius> I'm thinking in terms of adding an "extras" dict to calls where you can pass specific information if you *know* which platform you're on, which will be ignored on other platforms, sort of thing
[17:31] <homeasvs> to be honest I don't really understand the attributes part of gnome keyring
[17:31] <homeasvs> what's the point of it ?
[17:32] <homeasvs> the desktopcouch secrets still end up being combinations of usernames and passwords
[17:32] <homeasvs> one of them puts 4 different pieces of info in one secret
[17:32] <homeasvs> the semantics aren't very obvious imo
[17:33] <homeasvs> and they're all 'generic secret' when it looks like for some of them NETWORK_PASSWORD would make more sense
[17:34] <aquarius> I can see that argument, certainly, and I'm not totally averse to the idea of changing how we store the secrets, I'm just worried that it makes it quite a bit harder to actually get this code out, because we need to upgrade all the consumers at once (bindwood, couchdb-glib, desktopcouch.records), and if you upgrade some but not others you break
[17:34] <homeasvs> hm
[17:35] <homeasvs> well, it looks to me first of all that gnome-keyring uses NETWORK_PASSWORD, not GENERIC_SECRET
[17:35] <homeasvs> the upgrade doesn't sound like that big of a deal, since the packages can require a new desktopcouch, no ?
[17:35] <homeasvs> I guess we should just talk to the author of python-keyring
[17:36] <homeasvs> I think in any case it makes sense to take at least the first and third commit on that branch, since it moves all keyring code to one specific module
[17:36] <aquarius> the packages can require a new DC, but you'd need a new couchdb-glib as well, for example
[17:37] <aquarius> yeah, I like the refactoring a lot
[17:37] <aquarius> because we definitely need to do that!
[17:37] <homeasvs> aquarius, why would a new couchdb-glib be a problem ? doesn't it depend on desktopcouch ?
[17:38] <aquarius> yeah, but desktopcouch doesn't depend on it, and afaik couchdb-glib isn't locked to your DC version. So upgrading DC won't upgrade couchdb-glib
[17:38]  * aquarius checks that he's not talking out if his arse
[17:43] <aquarius> yeah, evolution-couchdb just depends on desktopcouch, not on a specific version
[17:43] <aquarius> wish rodrigo was around :)
[17:45] <homeasvs> ok, well
[17:45] <homeasvs> who starts the talks with the keyring guy to see what he thinks ?
[17:49] <aquarius> I can do that (and CC the desktopcouch mailing list, and you obviously), unless you know the chap? Kang Zhang.
[17:56] <homeasvs> no, don't know him.  yeah, please do.
[18:03] <adiroiban> trying to debug desktopcouch i got this erorrs after starting /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service http://paste.ubuntu.com/351894/
[18:04] <adiroiban> any hints for solving the problem. A dbus requires to getPort will not start desktopcouch on my computer
[18:06] <aquarius> adiroiban, there's no oauth token in the desktopcouch ini file. (/home/adi/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.ini)
[18:06] <aquarius> what's in that file?
[18:06] <adiroiban> there is no such file
[18:08] <aquarius> that'd be the problem, then :)
[18:09] <adiroiban> who should create that file?
[18:16] <adiroiban> reading http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/Documentation/How_Desktopcouch_Works was not of much help for this problem
[18:17] <aquarius> adiroiban, that file's created by start_local_couchdb, iirc
[18:18] <aquarius> I don't quite understand how it's not being created for you, though
[18:19] <adiroiban> I don't know how to call start_local_couchdb
[18:20] <aquarius> you're not supposed to have to :)
[18:21] <aquarius> adiroiban, what do you get if you do: python -c "import desktopcouch"
[18:22] <adiroiban> nothing ... no errors
[18:23] <aquarius> sorry, back to basics a bit here; which system are you running this on?
[18:23] <adiroiban> karmic
[18:25] <aquarius> adiroiban, ok. Try this: python -c "import desktopcouch; print desktopcouch.find_port()"
[18:26] <adiroiban> up and running
[18:26] <adiroiban> it prints the right port
[18:26] <adiroiban> I can access the couchdb via Fulton
[18:27] <aquarius> but there's no ini file??
[18:28] <aquarius> /home/adi/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.ini doesn't exist??
[18:28] <adiroiban> nope
[18:28] <adiroiban> no ini file
[18:29] <aquarius> ok, baffled.
[18:29] <aquarius> I don't understand how DC is starting up if it doesn't have an ini file.
[18:30] <aquarius> can you kill and restart desktopcouch as per the troubleshooting document, and then try the above find_port line again?
[18:31] <adiroiban> i tried
[18:31] <adiroiban> the problem is that I don't have beam.smp
[18:31] <aquarius> what?
[18:31] <aquarius> what does "killall beam.smp" say?
[18:32] <adiroiban> i have /usr/lib/erlang/erts-5.7.2/bin/beam
[18:32] <adiroiban> there is no beam.smp process
[18:33] <aquarius> oooooh.
[18:33] <adiroiban> this was the problem
[18:33] <aquarius> perhaps, then, I'm on a dual-core processor and it runs a different erlang
[18:33] <aquarius> interesting!
[18:33] <aquarius> so instead of killall beam.smp, try killall beam
[18:33] <aquarius> and then restart desktopcouch
[18:34] <adiroiban> well, i used kill
[18:34] <aquarius> actually, just killall beam; python -c "import desktopcouch; print desktopcouch.find_port()"
[18:34] <adiroiban> and the process number
[18:34] <adiroiban> the desktopcouch is up and running now
[18:34] <aquarius> is there an ini file now?
[18:34] <adiroiban> yes
[18:35] <adiroiban> i killed beam
[18:35] <adiroiban> and then request the port over dbus
[18:35] <aquarius> ahh, good. that's better, then :)
[18:35] <adiroiban> and I was prompted for a lot of keyrings
[18:36] <aquarius> yes. desktopcouch stores its keys in the keyring so they can be retrieved later
[18:51] <titeuf_87> using desktopcouch & python when I delete a record, that record still shows up on the different views I made
[18:51] <titeuf_87> is there a way to really delete something?
[18:52] <titeuf_87> or it's better I put a check in all my views to see if it's deleted or not? (and if so, why?)
[18:59] <aquarius> titeuf_87, at the moment, "deleted" records are actually tagged with application_annotations["Ubuntu One"].private_application_annotations.deleted = true
[18:59] <aquarius> titeuf_87, this is because CouchDB doesn't, currently, have history (where you could roll back to an earlier state), but it *will* have
[19:00] <aquarius> at which point this "deleted" hack will go away
[19:00] <aquarius> the best thing to do is to check in the views.  Thanks! I'll go add that to my views now
[19:02] <aquarius> titeuf_87, some of the desktopcouch.records stuff automatically handles this for you, but not all of it quite yet. Sorry for the inconvenience, and we want history to work just as much as you do :)
[19:16] <nettrot> one.ubuntu.com just started ISEing on attempts to save a note I'm working on.
[20:00] <adiroiban> is there a way to „see” my couchdb from https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/ ?
[20:12] <urbanape> adiroiban: As in a Futon view? Not currently
[20:43] <adiroiban> urbanape: Futon, or other nice couchdb gui
[20:44] <adiroiban> maybe somehow oauth http request can be proxied and let futon use such a connection
[20:46] <urbanape> CardinalXiminez_: does desktopcouch.records do batchSave?
[20:49] <CardinalXiminez_> urbanape, batchSave?  No, there's no bulk method.
[20:51] <urbanape> ah. The js lib has one, and I was wondering.
[20:51] <urbanape> er, yeah, called bulkSave
[20:51] <CardinalXiminez_> urbanape, does it do anything more than for rec in rec_list: save(rec)  ?
[20:52] <urbanape> it wraps them into a POST, I believe, so that they all show up (or so I'm told) as one item in the _changes feed.
[20:54] <CardinalXiminez_> urbanape, I'll research it to see if we're missing functionality.  put_records(yes_plural)  would be useful if it's more magical.
[20:54] <urbanape> posts to _bulk_docs, whatever that does internally.
[20:55] <CardinalXiminez_> Roger.  I'll run it by tf and aq too.
[20:55] <urbanape> thanks, I was just curious. Poking around. Trying to populate a test db.
[20:56] <urbanape> easier in Python than in Javascript, funny enough.
[21:47] <urbanape> hmm, doesn't appear that bulk documents get magically wrapped up into one sequence in the _changes feed.
[21:47] <urbanape> s/magically//
[21:53] <urbanape> thisfred: ping
[21:53] <thisfred> urbanape: pong
[21:54] <urbanape> ^^ Just tested the js lib version of the bulkSave method.
[21:54] <urbanape> it still gives each document its own entry in the _changes feed.
[21:54] <urbanape> I don't think this undoes what we were discussing yesterday
[21:54] <thisfred> ah, and increments the sequence number
[21:54] <thisfred> ?
[21:55] <urbanape> yeah, each rev gets its own sequence number
[21:55] <urbanape> is what I meant.
[21:55] <thisfred> no, it only means you can't deduce the single move gesture
[21:55] <urbanape> so, a bulkSave of two docs adds two sequence numbers to _changes
[21:55] <thisfred> easily
[21:55] <urbanape> yeah
[21:56] <thisfred> so we need to take care with what all else firefox stores for the bookmarks, if anything
[21:56] <thisfred> and make sure that's in the bookmark record's app annotations
[21:56] <urbanape> yup
[21:56] <thisfred> then we should be fine, at least if FF allows us to modify it again
[21:56] <urbanape> I've got almost all the guts rewritten
[21:56] <urbanape> it's so much cleaner now.
[21:57] <thisfred> awesome
[21:57] <thisfred> cleaning guts is what we do :)
[22:03] <tcole> EOF
[22:15] <statik> oh, so much to do
[22:17] <tcole> indeed


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[08:49] <hrw> hi
[09:01] <hrw> linux/quantal contains debian/stamps/ directory but /usr/src/linux-3.4.0/debian/ from linux-source-3.4.0 does not
[09:01] <hrw> which patch will be more acceptable:
[09:02] <hrw> 1. add 'install -d $(stampdir)'
[09:02] <hrw> 2. add 'debian/stamps/' into linux-source-3.4.0
[09:02] <hrw> ?
[09:13] <hrw> reported as bug 1001172
[09:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1001172 in linux "linux-source-3.4.0 does not contains debian/stamps/ directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001172
[13:08] <tgardner> arges, linux-firmware-nonfree accepted into lucid and precise with the Beceem wimax firmware.
[13:08] <arges> tgardner, great. do I need to talk to the archive admins or do verification now?
[13:08] <tgardner> arges, nope, its a done deal
[13:08] <arges> tgardner, cool! thanks a ton
[13:29] <ogasawara> tgardner: can you refresh my memory, I thought there was a script which would help update the lts-backport-<release> branch.  what was it called again?
[13:30] <tgardner> ogasawara, I started the quantal one and pushed to precise
[13:30] <tgardner> looking...
[13:31] <henrix> ogasawara: are you looking for debian.oneiric/etc/update-from-oneiric-master ?
[13:31] <tgardner> ogasawara, ubuntu-precise/debian.quantal/etc/update-from-quantal-master in the lts-backport-quantal branch
[13:31] <ogasawara> tgardner, henrix: thanks
[13:32] <ogasawara> tgardner: was thinking that an additional step to uploading a new kernel to Quantal would be to run that script and shove the resulting backport kernel into the PPA bryceh pointed to
[13:33] <tgardner> ogasawara, I'm thinking Andy's daily build scripts will pick that up.
[13:34] <ogasawara> tgardner: ah, that's even better
[13:34] <tgardner> ogasawara, though I don't think we should turn on that machinery until the meta package and flavour carnage has settled.
[13:35] <cking> tyhicks, ping
[13:35] <tgardner> ogasawara, I'm finishing up with the quantal kernel mess, then I'll do the meta package. should have it all done today.
[13:35] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[13:35] <tyhicks> cking: hey - just picking my chin up off the floor after reading your email :)
[13:36] <cking> tyhicks, we could restructure the code so that the fp flags are stashed and restored outside the loop, but I think before I go any further I will contact intel
[13:37] <tyhicks> cking: I had just cracked open the code, so I don't have a good feeling for what is best yet
[13:37] <tyhicks> cking: Contacting intel is probably the thing to do though
[13:38] <cking> tyhicks, yep, will do, and while I am waiting for a response I will tweak the code to see if I can "improve" things ;-)
[13:39] <tyhicks> cking: When you say "outside of the loop", which function are you referring to?
[13:39] <tyhicks> cking: nvm, I see it in aes_encrypt() now
[13:42] <cking> tyhicks, crypto_cbc_encrypt() iterates over the data in 16 byte blocks, and each block wastes cycles doing the kernel_fpu_begin/end calls :-(
[13:43] <cking> it's just a problem to do with the way it has been abstracted
[13:44] <tyhicks> cking: I'm following along now. :) Nice find!
[13:45] <cking> just needed a little bit of digging and some accurate instrumentation
[13:48] <cking> tyhicks, I expect the userspace version of the code rocks because it does not have to mess around with the fpu state, hence the benchmarks on the code look good but nobody has instrumented it in-kernel
[13:48] <tyhicks> cking: Ack - I think you're right
[14:28] <arges> cking, this was it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1000913
[14:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1000913 in linux "K43SA hangs on suspend" [Medium,Incomplete]
[14:32]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:51] <tgardner> ogasawara, just sent an email explaining Quantal meta package carnage. please review.
[15:51] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[15:52]  * tgardner goes back to working on highbank and lowlatency
[16:03]  * ogasawara head just exploaded with meta packages
[16:03] <tgardner> ogasawara, but they are so orthogonal now
[16:06] <ogra_> the heads ? or the explosions ?
[16:17] <cking> tyhicks, it looks like restructuring the code means I add extra overhead to the non arch specific generic code, which is not going to be acceptable. I will see what Intel say
[16:29] <tyhicks> cking: I'm a bit confused because some of aesni-intel_glue.c seems to be doing the right thing by putting the fpu restore on the outside of the loop
[16:29] <tyhicks> cking: cbc_encrypt(), for example
[16:29]  * cking looks
[16:30] <tyhicks> cking: I'm wondering if eCryptfs flows through a different path than dm-crypt, which may be why dm-crypt benefits from aes-ni
[16:31] <cking> tyhicks, aesni-intel_glue.c saves the fp state, does 16 bytes and restores the fp state
[16:32] <tyhicks> cking: I agree regarding aes_encrypt() in aesni-intel_glue.c, but that doesn't look to be true for cbc_encrypt() in aesni-intel_glue.c
[16:34] <tyhicks> cking: note that there are different drivers in aesni-intel_glue.c
[16:34] <cking> tyhicks, OK - I can see what you are getting at, I will re-examine this
[16:34] <cking> twisty maze of callbacks :-/
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765572] Call Trace:
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765574]  [<ffffffffa05e214c>] aes_encrypt+0x2c/0xf0 [aesni_intel]
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765577]  [<ffffffff812e80ef>] crypto_cbc_encrypt+0xcf/0x190
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765579]  [<ffffffffa05e2120>] ? aes_decrypt+0xf0/0xf0 [aesni_intel]
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765582]  [<ffffffff8126eed3>] encrypt_scatterlist+0xd3/0x1b0
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765585]  [<ffffffff8126f643>] ecryptfs_encrypt_extent+0x103/0x190
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765588]  [<ffffffff8126fc5d>] ecryptfs_encrypt_page+0xcd/0x190
[16:35] <cking> [  509.765591]  [<ffffffff8126d962>] ecryptfs_writepage+0x32/0x90
[16:36] <sforshee> ogasawara, I'm going to send a patch to disable CONFIG_B43_BCMA_EXTRA in quantal as it causes conflicts between b43 and brcmsmac. Do I also need to add a check in the enforcer?
[16:37] <ogasawara> sforshee: that'd be good so we don't accidentally flip it back on.  it also ensure's it get annotated in our config review for why it doesn't adhere to policy.
[16:37] <sforshee> ogasawara, ack. Guess I get to learn how to write enforcer rules :)
[16:42] <tyhicks> cking: Ok, so the question is how to get the crypto api to give us the "__driver-cbc-aes-aesni" driver rather than the "aes-aesni" driver
[16:43] <cking> tyhicks, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now, it's most curious
[16:44] <tyhicks> cking: The "aes-aesni" driver has a higher priority value, so it would obviously be selected first... but is it supposed to then use the "__driver-cbc-aes-aesni" driver if aes with cbc is used? Hmm...
[16:44] <cking> looks iffy to me
[16:48] <tgardner> tyhicks, cking: isn't some of this link order dependent? the most CPU specific drivers are supposed to register first.
[16:49] <tgardner> IIRC thats why we started building them in
[16:49] <tyhicks> tgardner: Yeah, that's right. But the highest priority driver for the aesni-intel code does the wrong thing. :)
[16:50] <tyhicks> tgardner: Then there's a lower priority, generic software-based driver that is next in the priority list. Then, there's *another* aesni-intel driver that is priority 0, but it does the right thing.
[16:50] <cking> unless I shove a load of debug in, it really is unclear to me at the moment why it is doing the wrong thing
[16:51] <tgardner> I assume you've looked at how dm-crypt registers ? (just flapping my gums here)
[16:51] <cking> that's a worthy point to pursue
[16:52] <tyhicks> tgardner: It has been a while since I've looked at that. But the way that one registers is just by registering the "cbc(aes)" driver. The crypto api is supposed to be smart enough to pick the best option.
[16:52] <tgardner> right,, thats what I remember
[16:52] <cking> evidently it isn't
[16:53] <tyhicks> cking: From your analysis, what it supposed to be the best option may just be poorly written :)
[16:53] <tyhicks> (or just a victim of a code refactoring that screwed things up)
[16:54] <cking> indeed, it's getting late in my day and I'm still foggy a bit from jet lag, so I will focus on this next week
[16:54] <cking> i'm sure it be very evident once I work through the code methodically
[16:54] <tyhicks> cking: Understandable. I'll try to take a closer look in a couple hours. I'll email you if I come across anything useful.
[16:55] <cking> cool
[16:55] <cking> gotta go
[16:55] <tyhicks> bye cking
[16:55]  * cking -> EOW
[17:04] <sforshee> ogasawara, does this look right? seems to trip the config enforcer at least
[17:04] <sforshee> # Ensure CONFIG_B43_BCMA_EXTRA is disabled if CONFIG_BRCMSMAC is enabled.
[17:04] <sforshee> # Otherwise b43 and brcmsmac will overlap in the hardware they claim to
[17:04] <sforshee> # support.
[17:04] <sforshee> (!exists CONFIG_BRCMSMAC | value CONFIG_BRCMSMAC n) | \
[17:04] <sforshee> ((value CONFIG_BRCMSMAC y | value CONFIG_BRCMSMAC m) & (value CONFIG_B43_BCMA_EXTRA n | !exists CONFIG_B43_BCMA_EXTRA))
[17:04]  * ogasawara parses
[17:06] <ogasawara> sforshee: looks correct
[17:07] <sforshee> ogasawara, thanks! I'll send the patch after lunch.
[17:07] <ogasawara> sforshee: ack
[17:43] <hggdh> tgardner-lunch: when you are back -- I have been getting hardlocks on my laptop (precise, realtek SE wireless). Seems to be the realteck, and I have the backports-cw package installed
[17:44] <hggdh> tgardner-lunch: Pete asked me to ping you, it seems you would have a more up-to-date package to test
[18:01] <tgardner> hggdh, I've been runnign the Quantal kernel. seems to be working OK
[18:17]  * bjf has swapped out
[18:19] <hggdh> tgardner: I will upgrade to quantal, then and try. Thank you
[18:19] <tgardner> sforshee, why don't we blacklist b43 instead of not building it ? It may still work well for some folks (or be their preferred option).
[18:19] <tgardner> hggdh, you don't have to upgrade completely. we'll have a PPA soon from which you can pull the Quantal LTS backport kernel
[18:20] <hggdh> tgardner: ack, I will wait, then. Thank you again :-)
[18:20] <tgardner> hggdh, in the meantime, you could pull the linux-image deb from the archive and install it by hand to see if it works any better.
[18:20] <hggdh> roj. Even better, I can check on it now
[18:36]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:36] <tgardner> ogasawara, I'm guilty of hoarding my bits, pull quantal master-next again
[20:36] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[20:39] <tgardner> ogasawara, also just pushed precise lts-backport-quantal. I'll finish it up next week when next you upload. waiting on a response from Michael Vogt to make sure we've not dome something we can't recover from.
[20:39] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[20:41]  * tgardner -> EOD