[07:37] <gaurangt> Hi, I'm using MAAS in KVM virtual environment. When I try to deploy the VMs with xenial image, the cloud-init job tries to update the kernel and it is very very slow. Any idea on what might be going wrong?
[08:02] <blahdeblah> gaurangt: More than likely it's a slow connection between you and archive.ubuntu.com/security.ubuntu.com; you can specify a local mirror in the MAAS settings.
[08:03] <gaurangt> yeah.. I've tried that as well. I guess the problem is not with downloading packages. Unpacking and installing them is very slow.
[08:04] <gaurangt> blahdeblah: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23445514/
[08:04] <gaurangt> this takes a long time
[08:17] <gaurangt> Is there any way to increase deployment timeout in MAAS?
[08:18] <gaurangt> one other observation - The problem occurs when I deploy more machines. Timeout doesn't occur for a single machine deployment.
[08:18] <blahdeblah> gaurangt: Other ways you can speed it up are using bcache, and (if you're just using the KVM machines for testing and don't care if they break) using cache=unsafe for your VMs
[08:19] <gaurangt> where should I specify these settings?
[08:19] <blahdeblah> bcache is done when you install the bare metal machine - you need an SSD to cache your spinning rust HDs
[08:20] <blahdeblah> cache=unsafe is done when you run virt-install for the VM
[08:20] <gaurangt> ok
[08:21] <gaurangt> I'm using virt-manager for creating the VMs
[08:21] <gaurangt> i have set cache option as none
[08:21] <blahdeblah> I have a rather old core 2 duo machine I use for testing, and it's quite speedy enough when I put both bcache and cache=unsafe
[08:22] <gaurangt> the other value options are default/writeback/writethrough
[12:19] <mup> Bug #1640147 opened: [2.1] rsyslog is flooded with "no link-local IPv6 address for $IFACE" on commissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640147>
[15:28] <mup> Bug #1640201 opened: [API] node parameter silently ignored when creating DHCP snippets if global_snippet set to True <maas-cli> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640201>
[15:59] <Braven> Hello
[16:01] <Braven> Can I have maas manage dhcp but set the scope to 0 host available. But then allocate static IP
[17:58] <mup> Bug #1640259 opened: [2.1 UI] IP Ranges table no longer showing in Subnet Details page. <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640259>
[19:52] <roaksoax> /win/win 6
[20:44] <mup> Bug #1640298 opened: multiple subnets dhcp shared-network does not work with dhcp-relay <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640298>
[20:59] <nturner> Anyone want more info about the state of https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1640300 before I restart maas?
[21:02] <roaksoax> nturner: the postgres logs
[21:04] <nturner> roaksoax: ok, I can attach those
[21:04] <roaksoax> nturner: thanks
[21:07] <nturner> ok, attached
[21:07] <roaksoax> nturner: ty
[21:09] <roaksoax> nturner: approximately, how many machines do you have ?
[21:09] <nturner> 36
[21:10] <roaksoax> nturner: yeah that sounds like something is leaking
[21:10] <nturner> want any other logs?
[21:10] <roaksoax> nturner: i think we have an idea of what it may be. So postgres logs + all maas's should be enough
[21:11] <nturner> ok, I'll tar up and attach /var/log/maas too
[21:11] <roaksoax> nturner: ty
[21:14] <mup> Bug #1640300 opened: django.db.utils.OperationalError: FATAL:  remaining connection slots are reserved for non-replication superuser connections <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640300>
[21:14] <mup> Bug #1640301 opened: Deploying servers with multiple disks fails <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640301>
[23:08] <mup> Bug #1640333 opened: No rack controller available when trying to enable DHCP on subnet on tagged VLAN <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640333>


[12:33] <andreasn> night
[04:20] <klepas> anyone know which license the DIY marketing marterials are under?
[04:20] <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[11:42] <lapo> yo


[16:25] <JoseeAntonioR> sagaci: how was the pizza?
[16:37] <sagaci> JoseeAntonioR: great, though I had a 45hr trip
[16:37] <JoseeAntonioR> whaaaaaat?
[16:37] <JoseeAntonioR> why 45h?
[16:37] <sagaci> London-Copenhagen-London-Sydney, etc
[16:38] <sagaci> had two pieces
[16:38] <sagaci> cures the boredom temporarily
[16:38] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[16:38] <JoseeAntonioR> I had 15h only


 is being a bit unhelpful in #ubuntu, I think
[06:55] <Sveta> I already told him about this in #ubuntu-discuss, but he continues to distract a helpee from useful questions
[09:18] <Sveta> it resolved with time, at least not ongoing now
[21:44] <valorie> heh


[00:16] <paul_> Hi all- In windows to find a exe file i would R click the icon hit property and then click find target - Is there a way to do that in 11.10
[00:18] <JoseeAntonioR> paul_: What are you trying to find, exactlu?
[00:19] <paul_> Im just trying to find a ez way to find the file that starts a program
[00:20] <paul_> to use "run as root" on it
[00:23] <JoseeAntonioR> paul_: May I ask in which folder is it, and what's the name of the file that starts the program?
[00:25] <paul_> Lets see if I can explain this better
[00:29] <paul_> I wanted to start QWBFS Manager is sudo mode or root (not sure what it is realy called) so I did a search for file with qwbfs in the file name then I just kept clicking the files untill i clicked the one that started the program.
[00:31] <paul_> I was just wundering if there is a ez way to find the file that starts a program from the desktop icon...Like in windows
[00:33] <JoseeAntonioR> paul_: You should do this in a terminal "sudo /path/to/file/filename.extension"
[00:36] <paul_> I am never sure what the path to file is..
[00:37] <paul_> or the files name for that matter
[00:39] <paul_> This is in general not just for that program
[00:40] <JoseeAntonioR> paul_: Yes, it is in general, when you have an excecutable file, and want to run it as root.
[00:43] <paul_> ok thanks 4 your time
[01:19] <asterismo> hi people
[01:20] <jalcine_> o/
[01:22] <asterismo> is there any way to encrypt my home directory after installing ubuntu?
[01:22] <asterismo> in a way that it decryptr it as i login?
[01:24] <jalcine_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[01:24] <jalcine_> That should be helpful.
[01:33] <asterismo> thanks
[01:36] <jalcine_> No problem.
[01:36] <jalcine_> I think I might do it myself :)
[08:43] <smeag0l> hello everybody
[08:43] <jalcine> o/
[12:01] <sazawal> ubuntu downgraded some of my packages
[12:01] <sazawal> how to upgrade them again
[12:07] <sazawal> anyone, help?
[12:15] <sazawal> anyone here to help?
[12:35] <Sidewinder1> sazawal, After waiting 5 - 10 minutes here it is permissible to ask in #ubuntu and not really be considered cross-posting, I think.
[12:36] <Sidewinder1> Oops, you're already there, sorry.
[12:36] <sazawal> ha ha
[13:14] <airplanesimen> hello guys :D
[13:15] <airplanesimen> how can i configure grub-background image?
[13:15] <airplanesimen> if anyone here
[13:16]  * airplanesimen is waiting
[13:21] <airplanesimen> hi
[13:36] <airplanesimen> hi? anyone who can help me here?
[16:08] <asterismo> hey guys
[16:08] <asterismo> i'm starting to read about programming
[16:09] <asterismo> my idea is to reach the level of making small applications
[16:09] <asterismo> what language should i learn deeply? and what toolkit?
[16:18] <stlsaint> asterismo: not a specific language retired
[16:24] <asterismo> stlsaint > C++, Java, Python
[16:24] <asterismo> GTK, QT
[16:26] <stlsaint> asterismo: if you want to choose a "easier" language, python is the a good choice
[17:39] <cm-t> hi, i am looking for specs of OneConf, if possible for 12.10 (Iam making a workgroup at school but we need a road); but I am not sure to search well
[18:33] <edlik> I lost video in firefox after update, I purged gnash, reinstalled adobe flash, restarted firefox and still nothing.


[00:00] <dodgefan67> it starts with a core system and you add what you want, xorg, gnome, kde, xfce, whatever
[00:00] <dodgefan67> everything command line
[00:01] <dodgefan67> its a great way to learn how a linux OS can work
[00:01] <philipballew> seemes like you gain knowlege then?
[00:01] <dodgefan67> oh yeah
[00:02] <philipballew> ill have to try this sometime
[00:02] <dodgefan67> i mean they do things the Arch way, but i have learned a great deal about fstab, startup scripts, inittab, etc
[00:03] <philipballew> whats the arch way? haha
[00:03] <tdignan> Doing everything yourself, even if it's a tedious detail that won't matter later.
[00:03] <xfcer> I have a problem setting a .jar program I downloaded to executable, I see no option to when I select properties. Can anyone help me?
[00:04] <dodgefan67> well for one they use an rc.conf file for a lot of configuration stuff
[00:04] <philipballew> did you install javj runtime engine xfcer ?
[00:04] <dodgefan67> where other distros have that stuff in more than one file, like slackware
[00:04] <philipballew> slackware is nice to
[00:04] <xfcer> I don't believe I've installed any java apps, I'm honestly just trying to run minecraft on a new xubuntu install
[00:05] <tdignan> with both arch and slackware you will spend just as much time maintaining your system as you will using it.
[00:05] <xfcer> and if memory serves, the unselected executable bit is a feature in ubuntu isn't it?
[00:05] <philipballew> minecraft...
[00:05] <philipballew> i can help
[00:05] <tdignan> xfcer: you can run it with java -jar
[00:05] <tdignan> xfcer: maybe you can tell xfce to "open with" java -jar.
[00:06] <philipballew> xfcer, i think you need the sun java runtime engine
[00:07] <xfcer> I have a ubuntu install on another machine, and I never needed to install anything extra java related
[00:08] <xfcer> when I attempt to start it, I just get a warning about the executable potentially being an unsecure force and stuff
[00:08] <tdignan> xfcer: open a terminal, type java. What do you see?
[00:09] <xfcer> I have java 1.6.0_22 installed
[00:09] <xfcer> after typing java -version
[00:10] <philipballew> instructions from the minecraft site.
[00:10] <philipballew> Download Minecraft.jar, an executable jar file. It might work as-is.
[00:10] <philipballew> If you run into out of memory errors, try launching it with java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[00:10] <philipballew> Also, please make sure you're running the Sun JVM...
[00:10] <tdignan> Yeah, you are using open jdk.
[00:10] <tdignan> I know so, because you had the '-version' switch.
[00:10] <philipballew> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
[00:10] <xfcer> yeah, that's what I'm running
[00:10] <knome> philipballew, remember that we have !pastebin for multi-line pastes/inpupts :)
[00:10] <knome> -p
[00:10] <tdignan> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html
[00:10] <tdignan> get that ^
[00:11] <xfcer> ah, thank you
[00:11] <philipballew> i didnt know it would be big :)
[00:11] <tdignan> uninstall openjdk, and set the JAVA_HOME env
[00:11] <tdignan> in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile
[00:11] <tdignan> also PATH.
[00:11] <knome> philipballew, no problem, just accidentally noticed the short non-one-liner paste :)
[00:12] <dodgefan67> so Oracle's JAVA is not in the multiverse repository?
[00:13] <dodgefan67> i installed libreoffice and i have openjre?
[00:15] <tdignan> no, it's not
[00:15] <tdignan> yep
[00:15] <tdignan> wait, perhaps multiverse, but
[00:16] <dodgefan67> sorry xfcer, didnt mean to hijack your question
[00:16] <tdignan> I don't think it is.
[00:16] <dodgefan67> ive searched for jre and dont see it
[00:16] <tdignan> i thought so
[00:17] <tdignan> I've got it installed because it's officially supported by the android sdk.
[00:17] <tdignan> I just keep it in ~/Tools, with all my other non-standard stuff.
[00:17] <tdignan> ls ~/Tools
[00:17] <tdignan> oops.
[00:17] <xfcer> oh, it's alright
[00:24] <dodgefan67> thanks everyone, i'll be seeing you around!
[00:32] <dodgefan67> hey, just wanted to pop back in and say that you need the icedtea-plugin for java to work in the browser, at least i did
[08:06] <hrw> hi
[08:06] <hrw> does someone uses 11.10 'oneiric' with xfce?
[13:22] <Sysi> gnome-mplayer plays this one music-cd fine, but sound-juicer says "can't get track listing, not mounted"
[13:22] <Sysi> is this some DRM fault or what could be wrong?
[13:23] <Sysi> both work well for other music cd
[13:23] <knome> Sysi, i've had similar problems with many cd's lately
[13:23] <Sysi> also dd from /dev/sr0 gave I/O error
[13:23] <knome> that i don't know, did you try asunder?
[13:23] <knome> (or any other ripping software)
[13:24] <Sysi> not yet, but I will after re-ripping this other
[13:25] <knome> it's not a few cd's, it's maybe 90% of the cd's i rip, and i tend to rip quite a lot
[13:26] <Sysi> I have few more to try..
[13:26] <knome> it might also be those public library scratched cd's ;)
[13:27] <Sysi> that should affect plauback too, these were in quite nice condition
[13:27] <Sysi> I'll try reboot for the sake of HAL
[13:27] <Sysi> only the CD first inserted after boot works
[13:28] <knome> hah
[13:28] <knome> just try any other ripping software...
[13:32] <nsuff> I've just lost my title bars and footers from all application windows. Anyone got a clue why, or how to get them back?
[13:33] <Sysi> what, asunder looks exatly the same but it's faster and betterly translated
[13:35] <knome> Sysi, it forces a year from the release it thinks must be the correct one
[13:35] <knome> Sysi, eg. if imdb says there must be only one release to match your cd, the tracks get that year, and you can't change it
[13:36] <Sysi> I never care about the year :P
[13:36] <Sysi> I have badly-tagged music anyway
[13:36] <knome> it also forces a genre, if you delete the genre, it will fill the genre field with some nonsense, not leave it empty
[13:37] <Sysi> I never look that either, but I can set it
[13:38] <Sysi> this can only do 245Kbps mp3
[13:38] <Sysi> ah, VBR limits it, wonder what that actually means
[13:39] <Sysi> (variable bitrate but what does it *do*)
[13:41] <knome> Sysi, when the encoding needs to use a higher bitrate, it does, and when it doesn't, it doesn't. vbr 245kpbs means that 245kbps is the average bitrate per frame.
[13:42] <Sysi> smaller files with high quality, I'll keep my 320
[13:42] <knome> vbr is usually files.
[13:42] <knome> errr
[13:42] <knome> s/files/wise/
[13:42] <knome> but however you like
[13:43] <Sysi> also this apparently rips to wav and then converts that to mp3, is that normal?
[13:43] <knome> no idea
[13:43] <Sysi> or thunar fails
[14:02] <fpihl> hi guys, boot-time is fast on my crappy laptop,  but it takes close to a minute when login in till I see my desktop. Then I'm met with 10 instances of this message "No running instance of xfce4-panel was found" What
[14:03] <fpihl> any advice on which files to check to find problem?
[14:04] <madnick> plantoschka: perhaps add xfce4-panel to startup
[14:04] <fpihl> already there...
[14:04] <madnick> hm
[14:05] <madnick> is xfwm running?
[14:05] <plantoschka> ?
[14:06] <fpihl> not sure, don't see a pid
[14:07] <fpihl> in.config/autostart I have xfce-panel.desktop. other places to check?
[14:08] <madnick> I had a similar problem recently, i just loaded a new configuration by renaming the old, not optimal i guess
[14:09] <fpihl> you mean rename .config/ and the reboot?
[14:09] <madnick> not .config
[14:09] <madnick> but
[14:10] <madnick> i renamed xfce4
[14:10] <madnick> in .config
[14:11] <fpihl> ah, I'll give that a shot...
[14:20] <fpihl> I'm back, reneming ./config/xfce4 did not solve the issue. See http://askubuntu.com/questions/50984/xubuntu-slow-login-and-multiple-instances-of-xfce4-panel for some screenshots
[14:24] <madnick> what does it say in Settings->Session and startup
[14:26] <fpihl> xfce-panel is checked. Should I look for anything else?
[14:26] <madnick> Dont acctually know, what I thought was happening was
[14:27] <madnick> The session was saved, running several xfce4-panels, that failed when you logged in again since always running or similar
[14:27] <madnick> But that is clearly not the case
[14:28] <fpihl> Is that even possible, since only 1 instance of xfce-panel is allowed to be running?
[14:29] <madnick> thus the problem
[14:29] <fpihl> :-)
[14:30] <fpihl> thanks for your help though, I'll continue to see if I can solve this...
[14:30] <madnick> good luck
[14:50] <fpihl> madnick: (if you're still here) solved the problem by clearing the session cache ( ~/.cache/sessions/...)
[15:15] <gNewPower> Hi!  How can I make XFCE show me a short message to tell me which desktop I am on when I switch desktops?  Thanks
[16:09] <gNewPower> Hi!  How can I make XFCE show me a short message to tell me which desktop I am on when I switch desktops?  Thanks
[16:10] <Sysi> no need to repeat, xfce window manager doesn't offer that but you could try openbox for example
[16:10] <gNewPower> Sysi, thanks
[16:10] <Sysi> install it and run openbox --replace
[16:11] <gNewPower> k, thanks.
[17:14] <nullm0dem> ralink = trash :-/
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 45 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Meeting time in #xubuntu-devel
[21:28] <jnsl_> ristretto next button is grayed out always
[21:30] <Sysi> set it up to open entire folder when you open image, or use space key (for first switch)
[21:30] <knome> Sysi, afaik there is NO WAY to make ristretto open a folder, except from it's file menu (OMG!)
[21:31] <Sysi> knome: iirc by default it opens just a single image
[21:31] <Sysi> though I'm not sure if it was like than on xubuntu
[21:31] <knome> Sysi, yes, but there is no CLI parameter either. i just checked that a few days ago
[21:32] <Sysi> knome: well I have it opening all pics from folder, it's one tap in settings
[21:33] <knome> Sysi, where?
[21:33] <knome> oh right
[21:33] <Sysi> I don't have new xubuntu in hand but it wasn't really hidden
[21:33] <knome> BOO for me..
[21:33] <knome> yeah
[21:33] <knome> it was hidden enough
[21:33] <knome> and it's weird that there is no CLI option for that...
[21:33] <knome> to override the default
[23:53] <IrrationlArtist> Hello, then?
[23:53] <IrrationlArtist> Anyone there?
[23:54] <GridCube> yep
[23:54] <GridCube> !ask
[23:54] <GridCube> !anyone
[23:54] <GridCube> :D hello IrrationlArtist
[23:54] <GridCube> whats your problem :)
[23:55] <IrrationlArtist> Okay, I've tried several times to compile the Gwibber 3.2.1 beta on Xubuntu natty, and cannot do it. Too much of a command line n00b to know the exact problem, but I know it's something with dependencies. Can't fix it. Any ideas?
[23:55] <IrrationlArtist> Everywhere else has been dead silent on advice, so I'd thought I'd try here :)
[23:56] <knome> IrrationlArtist, can you paste the output to pastebin?
[23:56] <knome> !pastebin
[23:56] <IrrationlArtist> Hmmm... Okay.
[23:56] <knome> then we'll be able to help out more
[23:58] <IrrationlArtist> Sorry, gotta re-dl the source, I seem to have deleted it.
[23:59]  * GridCube gotta go home now
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Why not use gwibber from the repositories or ppa?


[13:24] <alan_g> xnox: after your comments on my using an epoch, can I get your thoughts on my attempt to avoid it? (I'm not confident of my debian incantations) https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/move-miral-to-mir-no-more-miral-packages/+merge/329993
[13:27] <xnox> alan_g, let me tell you a secret =)
[13:27] <xnox> alan_g, binary package version number, may not match source package version numbers =)
[13:28] <alan_g> xnox: tell me more
[13:28] <xnox> alan_g, ideally you should keep libmiral binary packages, as each shared library, ideally, should be shipped in a stand alone package (e.g. like src:boost1.64 ships gazillion libboost*foo packages)
[13:28] <xnox> alan_g, and you can specify override_dh_ commands with -p options to set particular version numbers for some packages
[13:28] <xnox> e.g. let me find an example
[13:29] <xnox> such that e.g. src:mir generates libmir1 at 1.0.0 yet libmiral at 1.5.0
[13:29] <xnox> etc.
[13:29] <alan_g> There is really only libmiral that it makes sense to keep
[13:29] <xnox> but one has to be careful to derive the version numbers right, such that they are based on debian/changelog and increment
[13:29] <xnox> alan_g, yeap exmaples, binaries, dev can all go, but libmiral1 or what not is useful to have
[13:30] <xnox> alan_g, i have a call, but i will review and get back to you!
[13:30] <alan_g> xnox: great! thanks
[15:29] <alan_g> xnox: did you find an example?
[15:30] <xnox> alan_g, i'm still in meetings =)
[15:30] <alan_g> xnox: np.


[06:12] <jibel> Good morning
[06:17] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:22] <duflu> Morning jibel and oSoMoN
[06:27] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut jibel
[06:41] <jibel> Hi duflu oSoMoN
[07:20] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:31] <jibel> salut seb128
[07:36] <seb128> jibel, lut, en forme ?
[07:38] <seb128> jibel, as a fyi I hacked unmkinitramfs on venonat , there is a local version here so I guess it's not the first time we overwrite the archive one to add support for a new format, I copied the current binary with zstd support there and install the corresponding binary
[07:38] <seb128> hopefully it unscrew the daily ISO job
[07:39] <jibel> seb128, en forme.
[07:40] <jibel> seb128, okay, thanks for doing this.
[07:40] <seb128> np!
[07:40] <jibel> seb128, did you inform paride too?
[07:40] <seb128> no, I've no idea who works on that machine and if there is a list or channel or something
[07:40] <seb128> I will copy what I said to him
[07:50] <jibel> seb128, it's just paride for server and I
[08:03] <laney> hey
[08:06] <jibel> Hi laney
[08:08] <duflu> Hi seb128 and laney
[08:11] <seb128> hey laney, how are you?
[08:11] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:15] <laney> hiya jibel duflu seb128
[08:15] <laney> i'm alright, bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
[08:15] <laney> how's it going there?
[08:18] <seb128> tiiiiirreeeeed
[08:19] <seb128> baby woke up around midnight and didn't want to real go back to sleep before 3am
[08:19] <seb128> then was up at 7 sharp this morning
[08:20] <laney> :(((
[08:22] <seb128> I had some decent nights earlier in the week so it's ok, also went to play tennis yesterday which was greate
[08:23] <seb128> we managed to get a ~1h gap in the rain and then it resumed slowly so we were able to continue playing for a bit
[08:24] <seb128> the weather feels like octobre though 😬
[08:29] <didrocks> good morning
[08:33] <laney> hey didrocks!
[08:33] <laney> seb128: october indeed, I was wearing my coat yesterday
[08:35] <didrocks> hey laney
[08:36] <jibel> salut didrocks
[08:38] <didrocks> hey jibel
[08:43] <seb128> small FYI for those interested by the topic but I had a chat with Robie about unblock the GNOME SRU exception discussion, we have a board now to track the items that need to be resolved
[08:43] <seb128> https://trello.com/b/McJts4BN/gnome-sru-mre
[08:45] <seb128> the main things to get resolved is what we do for gnome-shell, we probably want to remove some of the extensions from the archive to make things easier
[08:45] <laney> what happens while this is ongoing?
[08:45] <seb128> and how the list of packages is defined, ideally based on 'components defined in <upstream defined lists> + exceptions on top'
[08:46] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ I think you were working on that
[08:46] <seb128> laney, ^ also
[08:47] <seb128> the current proposed listing was based on core + (part of) sdk?
[08:47] <seb128> also unsure if GNOME has a formal description of what the sets are supposed to be and how changes get accepted (is someone from their release team just doing it, do they have a list or process?)
[08:49] <seb128> laney, we don't get a free pass of any sort while it's ongoing, so it will keep depending of who is reviewing and what is their understand of what the GNOME exception set is :/
[08:53] <laney> happy days
[09:00] <seb128> ricotz, ^ also vala is out of the revisited list which somewhat makes sense since it's not part of the desktop, on difference cadence and freezes and a special case. We should be able to get it updated still using microrelease rules or ask for a specific vala exeption
[09:29] <ricotz> seb128, hi, ack, is this a fundamental discussion or mainly concerning focal LTS?
[09:30] <ricotz> (and yes, I would really like see vala 0.48.18+ landing in focal)
[09:40] <seb128> ricotz, it's a SRU policy discussion so not specific to focal
[09:40] <seb128> shrug
[09:40] <seb128> $ /snap/bin/epiphany
[09:40] <seb128>  /snap/epiphany/83/usr/bin/epiphany: symbol lookup error: /snap/epiphany/83/gnome-platform/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: atk_plug_set_child
[09:40] <seb128> another snap that got bitten by the gtk update because it's ship an outdate libatk
[09:41]  * seb128 fixes
[09:53] <seb128> kenvandine, do you understand on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/542136156/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_eog_BUILDING.txt.gz why we end up with
[09:53] <seb128> 'The 'version' property is specified in adopted info as well as the YAML: taking the property from the YAML
[09:53] <seb128> Determining the version from the project repo (version: git).
[09:53] <seb128> The version has been set to '0+git.490db84''
[09:54] <seb128> the log has
[09:54] <seb128> + snapcraftctl set-version 40.1
[09:54] <seb128> unsure how it ends up with '0'?
[10:04] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I saw the trello... Saw my comment?
[10:04] <Trevinho> hi BTW :-)
[10:04] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, no, where?
[10:05] <Trevinho> on the one you asked what source to use
[10:05] <Trevinho> I'm about to take off though, no link handy
[10:06] <seb128> Trevinho, I don't think it made it to the server
[10:06] <seb128> the card has no comment
[10:06] <seb128> Trevinho, safe flight!
[10:58] <laney> dear canonistack
[10:58] <laney> can you please work nicely
[11:20] <seb128> jibel, the ISO job is back to success just as a fyi
[11:20] <seb128> and we have a current ISO again ;)
[11:24] <laney> :D
[11:44] <kenvandine> seb128: version is set twice there.  Remove the version: git
[12:18] <laney> ok clipboard is a bit broken for me atm, nvidia/wayland
[12:18] <laney> maybe we should have a tag for these bugs or something
[12:18] <laney> anyway brb lunch
[12:54] <sergiusens> seb128 hi, for the version set from a part and adopt-info, remove https://git.launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/eog/+git/snap/tree/snapcraft.yaml#n2 ... it takes precedence over anything "adopted" (same applies for summary and description if you are trying to pick that up from things like appstream)
[12:58] <oSoMoN> laney, maybe duflu already has a tag for these things?
[13:00] <luna> i decided to only stay in the Ubuntu community as a Swedish translator
[13:36] <laney> oSoMoN: maybe - not sure how to find out
[14:08] <seb128> sergiusens, kenvandine: but shouldn't 'version: git' also give a valid number and not 0?
[14:24] <kenvandine> if it doesn't have a tag
[14:25] <kenvandine> i'm guessing the git repo has never had a tag
[14:27] <seb128> kenvandine, what sort of tag?
[14:28] <seb128> kenvandine, that snap is built from a tag,     source-tag: '40.1'
[14:28] <kenvandine> git tag in the repo.  Thought I don't think it would end up being just 0, i think it's usually 0-somehash
[14:28] <kenvandine> yeah, but "version: git" gives you the commit for the repo not the source repo
[14:29] <kenvandine> setting it in the eog part using adopt-info gives us the version from the eog source
[14:29] <seb128> ah, so it worked when we had the snapcraft.yaml in the upstream source
[14:29] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:29] <seb128> not with the new packaging-on-github layout
[14:29] <seb128> gotcha, that explains
[14:29] <seb128> thx
[14:29] <seb128> can you delete the line or do you want me to MP the change?
[14:30] <kenvandine> sure
[14:30] <seb128> thx
[14:31] <kenvandine> done
[14:31] <kenvandine> ls
[14:31] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[15:39]  * laney train greetings
[15:43] <laney> someone a few seats away is rocking out to chip tunes
[15:43] <laney> \m/
[20:42] <sergiusens> kenvandine since seb128 left I am going to ask you :-) "version: git" applies to the tree of the snapcraft project and not the part and the tag needs to be an annotated tag, not a development tag
[20:47] <kenvandine> sergiusens: yeah, it's been fixed :)


[01:00] <emunkki> vbabiy, http://emonk.fi/work/ubuntu/feature_tour_filmstrip_mockup_2.png
[01:01] <emunkki> vbabiy, we decided to put up something like that
[01:01] <emunkki> we'll talk more later
[01:01] <emunkki> will watch a movie and then sleep
[01:01] <vbabiy> emunkki: I do like it so far
[01:01] <vbabiy> Sorry I had to leave
[01:01] <emunkki> yeah np :)
[01:01] <vbabiy> Yeah, maybe we can talk tom
[01:02] <emunkki> sure
[01:02] <emunkki> i'll be back in maybe 12 hours
[15:54] <qense> What the heck is going on with the wiki? It's terribly slow.
[15:54] <qense> I'm getting 111 errors and POST mistakes
[16:01] <newz2000> qense: can you paste an error or a screenshot of it?
[16:01] <nand> qense: there was a new version put online
[16:01] <newz2000> oh really?
[16:01] <nand> didn't know?
[16:01] <qense> ah, that was probably causing it :)
[16:01] <nand> supposed to be faster, and with some additional features :)
[16:01] <newz2000> nand: no, I finished the theme for the 1.6 upgrade weeks ago
[16:01] <newz2000> yes, openid support, plus better spam prevention
[16:02] <newz2000> unfortunately, major new wiki syntax
[16:02] <qense> That's why my new page looks malformed!
[16:03]  * nand hopes he won't have to rewrite a bunch of them
[16:03] <newz2000> the migration process was supposed to deal with that, but if you put your page in after the migration then it would certainly cause a prob
[16:03] <newz2000> I'm hoping that once the wiki settles from the upgrade creating/editing is faster. It used to be so slow because of the way it checked for subscribed users
[16:03] <newz2000> oh, search should be much faster now too
[16:05] <qense> How do you create a link where the clickable text is different from the name of the page you're linking too?
[16:05] <qense> ["page1|desc"] doesn't work anymore
[16:05] <newz2000> is there a help below the edit box?
[16:05]  * newz2000 looks too
[16:06] <newz2000> oh, right [[  ]]
[16:06] <newz2000> [[link|text\\
[16:06] <newz2000> \\ == ]]
[16:06] <qense> that's solving it
[19:34] <nand> hey, a small website question: what is the preferred way to handle i18n in a website? Hardcoded? Gettext via some lib?
[19:35] <nand> and what's the best way to store it concerning performance? DB, included file?
[19:35] <emunkki> depends on the website
[19:35] <emunkki> and what you want to achieve
[19:36] <emunkki> and how often the translations are going to change
[19:36] <nand> well, the website is brainstorm: there is not so much strings there
[19:37] <nand> anyone knows how reliable is php-gettext? (not updated since 2006)?
[19:38] <emunkki> don't know
[19:38] <emunkki> how high traffic?
[19:38] <emunkki> basically if you're using db anyway, i'd suggest creating a table
[19:39] <emunkki> and it's the best for updates
[19:40] <nand> the advantages with text files (.po) is that some tools exists to edit them easily
[19:47] <emunkki> nand, i'd prefer db.
[19:47] <emunkki> nand, especially if you're using db anyway


[10:41] <tjaalton> hmm, seems like it was the mesa update to 7.1 that broke dpms with intel with compiz
[10:41] <tjaalton> rc3 works
[10:42] <tjaalton> doesn't hang when I close the lid or let the screensaver to turn the screen off
[10:54] <tjaalton> sigh, it's git-bisect time..
[10:56] <tjaalton> Ng: can you verify that installing the mesa 7.1rc3 debs fixes it for you?
[10:56] <tjaalton> I have i386 debs around if you need them
[10:59] <Ng> tjaalton: nope, still don't have my laptop back :/
[10:59] <tjaalton> oh ok
[11:00] <tjaalton> well, I'll try to git-bisect this anyway
[11:00] <Ng> and my home machine is having serious issues atm, I'm pretty sure the northbridge is busted beause of the display dropouts, but right now it logs in, you see the desktop for a few seconds and then X dies
[11:00] <Ng> I've not had time to get the latest updates on it or figure out if that's something to do with -2
[11:00] <Ng> I'm pretty sure I'm going to RMA the mobo anyway
[11:01] <Ng> the display dropouts can't be a X4000 driver issue, unless it's confusing the hardware, because I've had it happen in the bios as well
[11:02] <tjaalton> yeah sounds like broken hw
[11:17] <tjaalton> gah, a bit hard to bisect mesa
[11:18] <tjaalton> since the dependencies have changed over time
[16:27] <bryce> morning
[16:28] <tjaalton> hey bryce, did you have problems with the screensaver hanging on intel?
[16:29] <tjaalton> I found the culprit, "sync to vblank by default" on mesa
[16:30] <tjaalton> I've spent most of the day git-bisecting, so no news on the hotkey front :/
[16:30] <bryce> yes
[18:07] <Ng> tjaalton: nice :)
[18:14] <tjaalton> to try the workaround, put http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/drirc in /etc, and restart X
[18:51] <crevette> hey
[21:22] <pwnguin> whats the deal with nvidia in intrepid?
[21:24] <tjaalton> pwnguin: why?
[21:27] <pwnguin> i seem to be missing the kernel module
[21:28] <tjaalton> you need to clean up the dkms build directory, and reconfigure the kernel
[21:28] <tjaalton> /var/lib/dkms/something
[21:37] <pwnguin> what package should i reconfig?
[21:37] <tjaalton> linux-image-foo
[21:39] <pwnguin> well thats strange. ran dkms, but modprobe still fails. is modprobe depricated?
[21:39] <bryce> tseliot: I'm having some trouble downloading from your website; seems to be timing out
[21:40] <tseliot> bryce: what are you trying to download?
[21:40] <bryce> gnome-control-center and gnome-desktop
[21:41] <tseliot> bryce: source or the repo?
[21:41] <bryce> source
[21:41] <tseliot> let me check
[21:42] <bryce> it's the orig.tar.gz files that are failing; I guess I can just snag those from upstream, but let me retry
[21:42] <tjaalton> pwnguin: see bug 261816 for details
[21:43] <bryce> tseliot: ah, third try's the charm
[21:44] <tseliot> bryce: weird, I've just had the same problem
[21:45] <tseliot> bryce: do the patches apply to the latest release of the gnome-control-center?
[21:46] <bryce> gonna check that out
[21:46] <bryce> I imagine they do
[21:46] <tseliot> I hope so
[21:46] <bryce> if not I can fix up
[21:47] <tseliot> right
[21:50] <bryce> oh btw, do the changes in g-c-c depend on the changes in gnome-desktop?
[21:50] <bryce> if so we may have to alter the control file
[21:52] <tseliot> bryce: yes, since g-c-c uses gnome_rr_config.c which is part of gnome-desktop
[21:53] <bryce> alright, I think that will necessitate we up the gnome-desktop version listed in the control file... maybe we should check with seb128 on that
[21:54] <tseliot> yes, that would be necessary as I had to move one function (to compute the virtual resolution) from the capplet to gnome_rr_config.c
[21:54] <seb128> what do you guys want to change?
[21:55] <bryce> seb128: tseliot has some changes to the screen resolution tool to make it work more smoothly
[21:55] <seb128> "smoothly"
[21:55] <tseliot> seb128: so that when you try to set up a multiple screen layout
[21:56] <seb128> we are not going to change the abi in a distribution specific way
[21:56] <tseliot> and the 2 screens don't fit the framebuffer
[21:56] <tseliot> the virtual resolution is modified
[21:56] <seb128> I though that was already the case?
[21:56] <tseliot> the settings are not written to monitor.xml
[21:56] <tseliot> but are put in a temporary xml
[21:57] <tseliot> which gnome-settings-daemon will load on next login
[21:57] <tseliot> after checking the outputs and the virtual resolution
[21:57] <tseliot> seb128: would you like to have a look at the 2 patches?
[21:58] <tseliot> btw I talked to federico1 about this too
[21:58] <seb128> tseliot: not tonight, it's late and I lack sleep from previous days already, but give me the number and I'll have a look tomorrow
[21:58] <seb128> tseliot: federico is not upstream though
[21:58] <seb128> I would like to have patch in the gnome bugzilla before ubuntu
[21:59] <seb128> we discussed it at the desktop team meeting today and the way people commit distro specific changes at the moment doesn't scale and we need to stop doing that
[21:59] <tseliot> seb128: ok, but there's a part of the 1st patch (a simple "if") which tests the existence of xkit
[21:59] <tseliot> I see your point
[22:00] <tseliot> but x-kit has not been adopted by upstream yet
[22:00] <tseliot> upstream being gnome
[22:00] <seb128> every body always has a good reason to do distro changes
[22:00] <seb128> that's faster
[22:00] <federico1> tseliot: btw, søren added some new APIs to gnome-rr in his tree, and I have them in opensuse's package now as well.  If you need extra APIs there, it's doable... the repos are in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~sandmann/gnome-desktop/ and http://gitorious.org/projects/gnome-desktop/repos/mainline
[22:00] <seb128> that's less work than discussing those upstream, etc
[22:00] <federico1> (also see gnome-settings-daemon in both of those)
[22:00] <seb128> and grrrr at people maintaining changes in random git
[22:01] <federico1> tseliot: btw, I'll need your x-kit really soon... do you have updated URLs for it / repos / etc?
[22:01] <seb128> but that's another topic ;-)
[22:01] <tseliot> federico1: sure, let me find the link
[22:01] <federico1> seb128: grrrr at fucking gnome not using git yet
[22:01] <pwnguin> dont worry, theres bzr playgrounds!
[22:02] <tseliot> federico1: this is the link: https://launchpad.net/xorgparser
[22:02] <seb128> federico1: I don't care about that, fragmentation is not good if it means nobody knows what's going on upstream due to it
[22:02] <federico1> tseliot: next on my to-do list is support the "rotate" hotkey on tablets
[22:02] <tseliot> federico1:  and here's the tarball: https://launchpad.net/xorgparser/+download
[22:02] <seb128> federico1: and git is the suck, I know you love it and try to convert the world to it but that's not everybody's opinion, but let's not start on that now ;-)
[22:03] <tseliot> federico1: it seems interesting (I wish I had a tablet though...)
[22:03] <federico1> seb128: I just asked søren if we should just branch the modules upstream and commit this new stuff to trunk (gnome is frozen right now)... the point is that gnome is making it really hard to do experimental development, and people manage to do it on outside repos
[22:03] <federico1> tseliot: sweet, thanks
[22:03] <federico1> tseliot: and you also have some patches for g-c-c to use the PK helper, I assume?
[22:03] <bryce> tseliot: anyway, aside from the abi stuff the only other comment I have on the patches is that there's some debug print's that could be removed
[22:04] <seb128> federico1: right, we need a proper way to document where those changes are happening then, so people know what is going on and don't duplicate work
[22:04] <tseliot> bryce: right
[22:04] <bryce> tseliot: but those are just cosmetic so no other concerns.  But gnome isn't my area so perhaps for these changes just work directly with seb128 and/or upstream
[22:04] <tseliot> federico1, seb128: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/gnome/final/gcp/106_screen-res-extra-support.patch
[22:05] <federico1> seb128: yeah - that's why I hang out on #fedora-desktop and #ubuntu-x and regularly poke people :)
[22:05] <bryce> tseliot: you had some x-kit changes to upload too iirc?  I'll focus on that
[22:05] <tseliot> federico1, seb128: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/gnome/final/gd/100_desired-settings.patch
[22:05] <seb128> tseliot: please attach that to launchpad somewhere, I'll have a look tomorrow
[22:06] <federico1> tseliot: fantastic, thanks :)
[22:06] <tseliot> bryce: thanks a lot but pitti reported 2 problems related to jockey and we worked together to fix a bug in x-kit. And he uploaded the bugfix release for me.
[22:06] <bryce> oh great!
[22:07] <bryce> tseliot: cool, so anything else I can help you with?
[22:07] <bryce> tseliot: sorry it took me so long to get to it... juggling a zillion issues
[22:07] <tseliot> federico1: you will also need the latest release of screen-resolution-extra: https://launchpad.net/screen-resolution-extra
[22:08] <tseliot> which contains the policykit stuff so as to use x-kit with root privileges
[22:08] <bryce> tseliot: do those screen-resolution-extra updates need uploaded?
[22:09] <tseliot> bryce: yes, there's something else I would like to talk to you about. Can we do it in private?
[22:09] <pwnguin> federico1: when and how were you planning the rotate hotkey stuff?
[22:09] <federico1> tseliot: ah, I see, so you have two parts...
[22:09] <bryce> tseliot: sure
[22:09] <tseliot> bryce: not until the 2 patches for gcp and gd are applied. Otherwise what we currently have in ubuntu will stop functioning
[22:09] <federico1> pwnguin: within the next two weeks... no real plans so far, but I'm leaning towards "hotkey_callback() { if (num_outputs == 1 and supports_rotation) rotate()"
[22:09] <federico1> nothing fancy
[22:10] <bryce> tseliot: alright
[22:10] <federico1> pwnguin: i.e. I assume that people with tablets don't actually have an external output; it would get uncomfortable to hold :)
[22:10] <pwnguin> actually
[22:10] <pwnguin> its nice to have a tablet on a podium
[22:10] <pwnguin> hooked up to a projector
[22:11] <pwnguin> theres a couple of bash scripts floating around, but i havent seen anyone figure out the hotkey callback part
[22:11] <federico1> pwnguin: or just rotate the lvds, I guess
[22:12] <federico1> tseliot: now that I remember...
[22:12] <pwnguin> rotate's also handy for my monitor, for reading papers ;)
[22:12] <tseliot> federico1: I'm listening
[22:13] <tseliot> metaphorically speaking
[22:14] <federico1> tseliot: when ssp/bryce/myself were working on this, we had a wiki page to centralize plans/urls/etc
[22:15] <federico1> let me find it
[22:16] <federico1> tseliot: http://live.gnome.org/RandR1.2 - everything there is outdated now, but let's revive it :)
[22:16] <federico1> give me a second to point it to my repo
[22:22] <tseliot> federico1: oh, yes, I think I remember that page
[22:25] <federico1> tseliot: ok, updated
[22:25] <federico1> tseliot: what's your email?  I'll mail out the URL for this
[22:25] <tseliot> federico1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:26] <tseliot> or you can have a look at my website: http://albertomilone.com/
[22:31] <federico1> thanks
[22:31] <tseliot> federico1: if you have problems with x-kit or other stuff, just let me know
[22:32] <bryce> heya federico1
[22:32] <federico1> tseliot: thanks!
[22:32] <federico1> bryce: my man
[22:32] <federico1> oh, btw
[22:32] <federico1> bryce: are you still working on inkscape?
[22:33] <bryce> federico1: not actively... X has been all consuming in recent months
[22:33] <bryce> federico1: what's up?
[22:38] <federico1> bryce: oh, ok --- was just going to ask you if you knew of any progress with the bug about inkscape not outputting clipping masks correctly to PDF (there's an unused/new/experimental PDF renderer, but the used/old code doesn't support this, it seems)
[22:38] <federico1> bryce: $some_real_people keep bothering me about that :)
[22:40] <bryce> federico1: have you tried against a recent svn snapshot?  The pdf code got a ton of work over the summer and I hear it's quite a bit better
[22:40] <bryce> however the codebase in general has gotten somewhat more unstable than the last official release
[22:40] <federico1> bryce: oh, that's good to know.  I don't really follow the development; it's just that my friends are using a released version and keep bitching about that
[22:41] <bryce> heh
[22:41] <federico1> "how come no one tested this!  you can't make beautiful artwork without this!"
[22:41] <bryce> ;-)
[22:41] <federico1> "STFU, you hippie designer, and subscribe to this bug"
[22:42] <bryce> the pdf stuff was pretty new in that release and there were still a number of issues.  Any real Inkscape user knows to use nightlies ;-)
[22:42] <bryce> gotta get a new release out... *sigh*
[22:42] <bryce> we talked about doing a 0.46.1 release but I think 0.46.0 burned out the release crew
[22:42] <federico1> inkscape still arouses me every time I think about it... back in the old gimp days, a vector illustration program was pretty holy-grail-ish
[22:43] <bryce> :-)
[22:43] <bryce> yeah it amazes me the advanced functionalities that have been going into it
[22:44]  * pwnguin is still waiting on color profiles ;)
[22:44] <federico1> I miss autocad's snapping-fu
[22:45] <pwnguin> I have a feeling the graphic design department here can't do without ICC
[22:48] <bryce> now that pdf support in there, I think color management is pretty much the top major feature request now
[23:20] <tjaalton> ok, all video drivers uploaded for a rebuilt apart from the proprietary ones, since I don't have the bandwith for them..
[23:20] <tjaalton> *rebuild
[23:22] <torkel> tjaalton: any chance the gnome-screensaver/compiz locking X bug is fixed in the upload?
[23:22] <tjaalton> torkel: no, it's in mesa/drm
[23:23] <torkel> tjaalton: doh. I have been hitting badly with that one lately :-(
[23:23] <tjaalton> then as a workaround, copy http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/drirc to /etc and restart your session
[23:25] <torkel> tjaalton: you are my hero (if the workaround works that is... :-)
[23:26] <torkel> I'll notice in the morning
[23:27] <tjaalton> it's pretty quick to find out.. just shorten the time your screensaver/dpms kicks in
[23:28] <torkel> tjaalton: I'm heading for bed (it's past midnight) so I will not restart my session right now
[23:28] <tjaalton> 1sure
[23:28] <tjaalton> -l
[23:28] <torkel> but I will find out in about 7 hours
[23:29] <torkel> tjaalton: should I add your workaround to the bug? (264953)
[23:30] <tjaalton> bug 264953
[23:31] <tjaalton> no, better mark it as a dupe of 262605
[23:31] <tjaalton> and maybe add it there
[23:31] <torkel> sure
[23:31] <tjaalton> I've built a new kernel out of drm-next which should contain the proper fix
[23:32] <tjaalton> will test before I get to bed..
[23:32] <tjaalton> but first synaptics
[23:35] <torkel> tjaalton: both bugs updated
[23:41] <tjaalton> torkel: ok, thanks


[03:51] <michi> robru: still around?
[03:59] <michi> trainguards: Anyone around who can help with publishing a silo?
[04:00] <robru> michi: i'm around but i can't publish anything. did you try it yourself?
[04:01] <michi> Yes. Tells me that the status is bad.
[04:01] <robru> michi: which one?
[04:01] <michi> Presumably because of the failed s390x build
[04:01] <michi> silo 26
[04:01] <michi> Problem is that I need to put another MR into a new silo.
[04:01] <michi> But to do that, I need the 26 to merge into trunk first.
[04:02] <robru> michi: ok, well if you publish this it's just going to get stuck in proposed because you're not allowed to regress on arches
[04:02] <michi> We are not regressing on arches.
[04:02] <robru> michi: why can't the mr that fixes s390x just go in here
[04:02] <michi> We have never published for IBM
[04:02] <robru> michi: the train would not report s390x failure unless it was a regression
[04:02] <michi> We can’t make it work on 390
[04:02] <michi> Because the gstreamer codecs are broken.
[04:02] <robru> michi: then you need to get an archive person to delete the existing s390x binary on that arch
[04:03] <michi> The train just builds for 390x whether we like it or not.
[04:03] <michi> There is no existing binary.
[04:03] <michi> There has never been a thumbnailer package for 390
[04:03] <robru> michi: yes it does: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thumbnailer/2.3+16.04.20151102.2-0ubuntu1
[04:03] <robru> michi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thumbnailer/2.3+16.04.20151102.2-0ubuntu1/+build/8382530
[04:04] <robru> the train is detecting this binary and reporting the regression
[04:04] <michi> What a gooddam bloody screw-up :(
[04:04] <robru> michi: you need to either fix it or delete the binary
[04:04] <michi> Who can I delete the binary.
[04:04] <michi> We don’t want to support 390.
[04:04] <michi> It doesn’t make sense.
[04:04] <robru> michi: anybody in #ubuntu-release
[04:04] <michi> OK, thank you!
[04:04] <robru> you're welcome
[04:04] <michi> is there a special alert alias there I should use, such trainguards here?
[04:05] <robru> michi: no not really. just ask and if nobody responds try pinging colin or adam
[04:05] <michi> cool, thank you!
[04:05] <robru> michi: you're welcome
[04:05] <robru> michi: after the binary is gone, the status should update in ~15 minutes, then you should be able to publish
[04:05] <michi> That would be great, thanks!
[04:06] <michi> robru: Is that adam or adam_g?
[04:14] <robru> michi: infinit y
[05:31] <Mirv> michi: I can help with the 783
[05:31] <michi> Mirv: Thanks!
[05:31] <michi> I’m currently reflashing the phone to do a smoke test on silo 26
[05:32] <michi> Alternatively, if you could take a quick look, that would be awesome.
[05:32] <michi> No need to go through the whole test plan.
[05:32] <michi> All it needs is a quick test to see that you still get thumbnails.
[05:32] <michi> It’s just to make sure that the binaries that were just built aren’t broken in some weird way.
[05:32] <michi> There are no code changes.
[05:33] <Mirv> michi: oh was there a rebuild?
[05:33] <michi> I’ve changed debian/rules to lie about s390x test failures.
[05:33] <michi> Yes, because of the failing s390x tests.
[05:33] <michi> It’s a loong story.
[05:33] <michi> ^ That’s weird.
[05:33] <michi> I didn’t try to publish jus now.
[05:34] <Mirv> michi: I updated the packaging diff:s to be sure, with that
[05:34] <Mirv> michi: ah I see the diff now. well I'd need to flash too since my mako is on xenial so you'd be faster in smoke testing
[05:34] <michi> Not sure what’s happening.
[05:34] <michi> I flashed with —bootstrap
[05:34] <michi> It rebooted into recover.
[05:34] <michi> recovery
[05:35] <michi> Normally, while flashing, it has an orange rotating ubuntu log.
[05:35] <michi> logo.
[05:35] <michi> Now, I’m seeing a white non-rotating logo.
[05:35] <michi> Christ...
[05:35] <michi> I think the download of the image failed half-way through.
[05:36] <michi> And it rebooted with a partial image.
[05:36] <michi> I may not be able to get this to work at all.
[05:36] <michi> I’ve been having ongoing problems with flaky USB connection to teh phone.
[05:36] <michi> Mirv, if you could give it a quick sanity check, I’d be eternally in your debt.
[05:36] <michi> I’ve been trying to get this bloody silo out the door for ages now.
[05:37] <Mirv> michi: ok, will take a while but I assume I don't see thumbnails disappearing with the silo so I'll then publish it eventually
[05:37] <michi> That would be great.
[05:37] <michi> right now, my phone is briked.
[05:37] <michi> bricked.
[05:38] <michi> I need this to land in trunk because I have one more change that needs to go in for ota 9.
[05:38] <michi> And I can’t land that change without the current silo 26 ones.
[05:43] <Mirv> michi: flashing. meanwhile, can you check if https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/media-hub/enable-dual-landings/+merge/278270 looks ok to you? sil2100 is worried about the lack of symbol files, is the abi-compliance-check route supposed to be used manually by the developer basically? I see the shlibs magic is working correctly in the resulting binary files.
[05:43] <michi> Mirv: I’ll have a look.
[05:43] <michi> I don’t know what Thomas has done
[05:43] <michi> We are running the compliance check from the unit tests, so they run every time anything is tested in s-jenkins or a silo.
[05:45] <Mirv> michi: right, thanks
[05:46] <Mirv> I'll check that and then either for such tests to be added or not
[05:47] <michi> Mirv: I managed to unbrick my phone at least.
[05:52] <michi> Mirv: I looked through the changes and pulled the branch too.
[05:52] <michi> I don’t think there is any abi-compliance check in the tree.
[05:52] <michi> At least, a grep for it comes up empty.
[05:56] <Mirv> michi: same here
[05:56] <michi> Well, that’s pretty much all I can say.
[05:56] <Mirv> 026 smoke tested, publishing
[05:57] <michi> No shlibs or symbols file, no abi-compliance-check
[05:57] <michi> \o/
[05:57] <michi> I owe you one!!!
[05:59] <Mirv> michi: :)
[05:59] <michi> I mean it!
[06:00] <michi> Next sprint, it’ll be a beer on me!
[06:00] <Mirv> michi: I assume you'll want to start on the next landing immediately? I can merge the silo and we would just need to manually monitor that there is no surprises in xenial proposed -> release migration
[06:00] <michi> Give me a few minutes.
[06:00] <michi> I spent the last two hours or so in headless chicken mode.
[06:00] <michi> I have an MR that is currently building on s-jenkins.
[06:01] <michi> Will make a new silo for that as soon as 26 merges into trunk.
[06:01] <michi> How long should that take do you think?
[06:01] <Mirv> michi: I was asking "do you want your trunk to be up-to-date immediately?" :)
[06:01] <Mirv> so you can say "yes"
[06:01] <michi> Yes please!!!
[06:01] <michi> :)
[06:02] <michi> Pretty please… :)
[06:04] <Mirv> michi: trunk is up-to-date, you can start your next build at any point. we do these exceptions at the last minute OTA landings and we just need to occasionally check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#thumbnailer (when it appears) and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thumbnailer/2.3+16.04.20160107-0ubuntu1 that it finds itself to the release pocket
[06:04] <michi> Awesome, thank you!
[06:05] <Mirv> no problem
[06:07] <michi> Working on that now.
[06:33] <michi> Mirv: silo 26 again
[06:34] <michi> This time, it’s a really small change, and it’s not necessary to go through the full test plan.
[07:17] <Mirv> michi: nice. if you get it tested the QA will be up in ca 2 hours.
[07:17] <michi> Mirv: Will be tested in about five minutes, as soon as the armhf build is published.
[07:17] <michi> Testing will take only a few minutes.
[07:18] <michi> I’ve been building and testing with packages created on my Chromebook already.
[07:18] <michi> I don’t expect any problems.
[07:35] <michi> Mirv: Marked as ready for QA. Thanks again for your help!
[07:55] <Mirv> Mirv: you're welcome!
[08:34] <Mirv> tvoss: please check my and sil2100's comments at https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/media-hub/enable-dual-landings/+merge/278270
[08:35] <Mirv> either symbols files or abi-compliance-check should be used
[08:35] <tvoss> Mirv, sure, they haven't been used before, though. The symbol file on common was pointless
[08:41] <sil2100> We had symbol files on media-hub previously, they got removed at one point but still...
[08:41] <tvoss> sil2100, we never had symbols on media hub
[08:41] <tvoss> sil2100, I'm pretty sure :)
[08:41] <tvoss> sil2100, we had symbols on the common library, which is a bit pointless as there is like 1 symbol in there
[08:42] <sil2100> tvoss: oh, you're right! It was just in the common part
[08:43] <tvoss> sil2100, yup
[08:43] <tvoss> sil2100, so I'm happy to add those symbols, but can we please have that in the next iteration?
[08:43] <tvoss> sil2100, file a bug, assign to me
[08:43] <sil2100> tvoss: could you guys set the ABI-compliance-checker+shlibs bits as priority for the nextish release?
[08:44] <sil2100> tvoss: sure
[08:44] <tvoss> sil2100, sure
[08:45] <sil2100> Excellent
[08:51] <sil2100> tvoss: oh, and one more thing - I won't block on it this time since we're short on time, but if you could be more verbose in the commit-message of big changes like that it would be awesome ;)
[08:52] <tvoss> sil2100, well, it's just a merge :)
[08:52] <tvoss> sil2100, but I can try to be a little more verbose
[08:52] <sil2100> Like, you know, I know what 'Enable dual landings' means in this context, but others would like to know more from the changelog, e.g. that the control file is auto-generated, etc.
[08:52] <sil2100> For the future of course ;)
[08:59] <sil2100> tvoss: could I get https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/media-hub/sync-trunk/+merge/280738 approved? :)
[09:00] <sil2100> Just this one approval and we can land
[09:08] <sil2100> Ouch!
[09:12] <davmor2> sil2100: what did you break now ;)
[09:51] <tvoss> hmmm, poor little publisher could use some love: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-012/+packages
[09:51] <tvoss> cjwatson, ^ :)
[09:51] <tvoss> cjwatson, also: a late happy new year
[10:00] <jibel> robru, hi, the results of autopkgtest attached to silo 34 seems unrelated to the packages in the silo. https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/840 any idea why?
[10:09] <morphis> sil2100, Mirv: time for an silo upload?
[10:10] <Mirv> morphis: sure
[10:11] <sil2100> Mirv was faster ;)
[10:27] <bzoltan_> Mirv: sil2100:  It seems that there is something fishy with the ubuntuone-credentials autopkgtest
[10:27] <bzoltan_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:27] <bzoltan_> QSYSTEM: TestToken::testGetServerTimestampMuchEarlier() Error fetching server timestamp: ""
[10:28] <bzoltan_> ony on armhf .. on amd64 it can fetch the timestamp and so the test passes on amd64
[11:11] <Mirv> bzoltan_: since it's probably not UITK thing, dobey would be your contact for ubuntuone-credentials regarding that TestToken::testGetServerTimestampMuchEarlier
[11:11] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  the question is if it blocks the UITK package or not
[11:14] <Mirv> bzoltan_: well yes it currently blocks it in xenial. but you see (and dobey) that it has occasionally failed similarly in the past too http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntuone-credentials/xenial/armhf/ - so I think you should ask pitti to rerun it
[11:14] <Mirv> for example it failed for the runs on 2015-12-10 and 2015-12-09
[11:15] <Mirv> correction, only the 2015-12-10 is a similar failure
[11:15] <Mirv> anyway, a rerun could yield more information about whether it always happens currently or not
[12:31] <pstolowski> hello trainguards, may i ask for a rebuild of unity-scopes-api in silo 54 for i386 only? got a random failure
[12:32] <sil2100> pstolowski: on it
[12:32] <pstolowski> thx
[12:33] <sil2100> Done
[12:34] <cjwatson> tvoss: you'll have to be more specific - what am I looking at there?
[12:35] <pstolowski> thanks sil2100
[12:54] <tvoss> cjwatson, oh, no worries :) it was just the publisher taking a really long time for the mir armhf packages
[12:56] <cjwatson> tvoss: All seems to have been normal around that time.
[12:59] <cjwatson> tvoss: Looks like it published two minutes after you asked here; the build was just unlucky enough to finish two minutes after the start of the (in this case, and reasonably typically) 10-minute cycle, so it was near-worst-case.
[13:03] <tvoss> cjwatson, oh okay, so pure perception on my side :)
[13:23]  * sil2100 is off for lunch
[16:08] <robru> jibel: probably wasn't set as ready for qa yet? Britney only runs if the status is ready
[17:02] <jhodapp> sil2100, seems this is stuck in the proposed pocket: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/793
[17:41] <cjwatson> jhodapp:     * armhf: account-plugin-ubuntuone, camera-app-autopilot, indicators-client, libonline-accounts-plugin-dev, liboxideqt-qmlplugin, liboxideqtcore0, liboxideqtquick0, libunity-webapps-dev, libunity-webapps0, oxideqt-chromedriver, oxideqt-dbg, qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu, qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-autopilot, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-web-plugin, ubuntu-html5-container, ...
[17:41] <cjwatson> ... ubuntu-pocket-desktop, ubuntu-push-autopilot, ubuntu-sdk, ubuntu-sdk-libs, ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev, ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, ubuntu-touch, unity-chromium-extension, unity-scope-click, unity-webapps-service, unity8, webapp-container, webbrowser-app
[17:41] <cjwatson> says http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt regarding that silo
[17:42] <cjwatson> jhodapp: looks like this is because liboxideqtcore0/armhf depends: libmedia-hub-client4 and that soname changed
[17:42] <jhodapp> tvoss, ^
[17:42] <jhodapp> thanks cjwatson
[17:44] <cjwatson> jhodapp: narrowed down as follows: "rmadison -s xenial,xenial-proposed -S qtubuntu-media media-hub", observe which package names changed, then "reverse-depends libmedia-hub-client4" and "reverse-depends libmedia-hub-common4"
[17:44] <cjwatson> some cases are more complex but when it's just a soname change then this approach is usually enough
[17:46] <jhodapp> alex_abreu, can we get an update to liboxideqtcore0 for silo 22 since the soname changed for media-hub
[17:49] <alex_abreu> jhodapp, you should check w/ chriscoulson
[17:49] <jhodapp> alex_abreu, alright
[17:52] <dobey> robru: hey, is there a documented REST API that i can make oauth-signed requests to for CI train, to create new landings, get status, etc…?
[19:02] <tvoss> jhodapp, not sure what I'm expected to do now :)
[19:26] <robru> dobey: the rest api is read only, unless you authenticate with sso
[19:30] <robru> dobey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/bileto/trunk/view/head:/README.API
[19:30] <dobey> robru: sure. does it support OAuth in the Authorization: header though? If I have an OAuth token from SSO, that is
[19:31] <robru> dobey: no, the authentication is based on having a session token in a cookie, which the server sets when you log in to sso
[19:32] <dobey> robru: i guess i can submit an MP to bileto to add support for authenticating with OAuth instead of a cookie?
[19:37] <robru> dobey: what are you trying to do?
[19:42] <dobey> robru: not sure exactly yet, but had a thought to write some nice client app to notify me when my landings need rebuilt/etc…
[19:55] <robru> dobey: that's called "irc" :-P
[19:56] <robru> dobey: also as i said the rest api is read only when you're not authenticated so you can poll statuses without authenticating
[19:57] <dobey> robru: well, sure. but i can't create new requests without authenticating though.
[19:57] <robru> Yeah
[19:58] <dobey> anyway, was curious thought. i'll figure out what i want exactly after looking at the API and thoughts settle more :)
[21:12] <dobey> trainguards: does a package already in xenial that's being converted to land via ci train need a packaging ack?
[21:13] <robru> dobey: If you're publishing it and there's packaging changes it will require an ack, yes
[21:14] <robru> dobey: re: train api, the good news is that the rest api is the only api, so anything the web interface can do can also be done by any client app (eg there's no secret api that only the web interface can access)
[21:18] <dobey> robru: no real packaging changes, other than dropping all the patches that are in upstream, and such.
[21:19] <dobey> robru: also, i have upload privs for it…
[21:19] <robru> dobey: if you touch any files under debian/ other than changelog the train will require an ack no matter how good your intentions are.
[21:20] <robru> dobey: if you have upload rights then you should be able to ack it yourself
[21:20] <dobey> ah ok
[21:27] <dobey> robru: how do i do the ack?
[21:28] <robru> dobey: run the publish job again with "ACK_PACKAGING" checked
[21:28] <dobey> ah


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