[00:55] <SturmFlut> dobey: Bq Mobile answered my question from yesterday, https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/564190419685494785
[00:56] <SturmFlut> They will provide Ubuntu Touch images for Aquaris E4.5 phones shipped with Andorid
[00:56] <SturmFlut> s/Andorid/Android/
[01:32] <SturmFlut> mzanetti, popey: The server providing the App Store RSS feed died, I'll probably replace it on tuesday.
[01:33] <rsalveti> svij: I wonder if there was a problem with the multimedia role, as you said it works fine for notification and ringtone
[01:33] <rsalveti> if playing a ringtone is fine, it means the core part of the audio stack is working
[01:34] <rsalveti> the volume depends on what you're currently using. when not playing anything, the volume will change for the alert role (ringtone, etc)
[01:34] <rsalveti> when playing a video, it will be the multimedia one
[01:35] <rsalveti> svij: when playing a video/music, please run 'pactl list sink-inputs' and paste me the output
[01:35] <rsalveti> that should tell what is going on at the pulseaudio level
[05:36] <andy> hello there guys!
[05:36] <andy> Quick question if anyone is there
[05:37] <andy> :(
[05:56] <andy> hello olaf
[07:57] <elimisteve> Congratulations, Ubuntu Touch developers! I've been reading and watching reviews of the Aquaris, and people who have used the device seem really excited about the results!
[07:58] <uhhimhere> do i need to enable USB_GADGET to get USB_OTG running on my device during compile time?
[07:58] <elimisteve> I can't really trust my phone at present (a Nexus 5) due to Android's security model and all the proprietary apps, and I hope those days are behind me soon and that I can be running as much open source software on my phone as I do on my desktop and servers
[09:54] <Ske_> hello, I have a problem with the "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap" command. I get  an "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied". Have anyone an idea how can I solve sthis problem?
[09:58] <Ske_> I try to work with the following howto https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/, all its woking fine but the write problem is bad.
[10:23] <SturmFlut> Ske_: Are you trying to run the command as root or something?
[10:39] <Ske_> yes all the commands run as root
[10:41] <Ske_> when I connect with adb shell and create a directory in /root after remount the system fs as rw. All changes disappear after reboot
[11:23] <Isotop7> which channel does the bq use? are all the features of the bq available on devel channel build for mako?
[11:27] <popey> Isotop7: i think there's a few apps on the bq phone which aren't on the mako build
[11:28] <Isotop7> oh okay...is this going to change or will there be exclusive apps for official ubuntu phones in the future? Also are there any official informations if and when the ubuntu version of meizu mx4 will launch?
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/first-ever-ubuntu-phone-unboxing-video-appears-online
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> check this out :p
[11:29] <popey> I haven't seen a publicly announced official date for mx4
[11:31] <Isotop7> oh okay...thanks for your information :)
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> nice video on Bq :p
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> nearby looking interesting
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> my guess, bq phone will be sold out soon
[11:49] <Isotop7> in my opinion, not having lte is a big disadvantage but it still is a good phone...hope that it sells pretty good!
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> im sure it will
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> remember how many users wanted that first ubuntu phone in crowdfunding
[11:55] <Isotop7>  yeah...but 32 mill was to much to ask for...very sad that this didnt happen :/
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> oh well, its all happening now
[11:57] <Isotop7> yeah but there are no official plans to make convergence happen (docking station etc.)
[11:57] <k1l> i think after asus and motorola failed with it the manufacturers fear it a bit.
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> im sure meizu and bq launches, will make new future plans for the whole world
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> k1l: indeed, its a bit like windows laptops fear linux on their hardware
[11:59] <popey> Isotop7: there are plans
[11:59] <popey> Isotop7: its just not finished yet
[11:59] <k1l> and honestly: i dont mind LTE. most people around me dont have contracts that can make sane use of LTE. if you got LTE your LTE fullspeed would be cut after 10 seconds of traffic anyway,
[12:00] <Isotop7> as the internet says: pics or it didnt happen :D i just believe informations if i can read them anywhere by an official source :)
[12:00] <Isotop7> well...not where i live...but i understand your point...also there are other phones in this pricing area which are sold very good and dont support lte :)
[12:01] <Isotop7> is anybody familiar with the hybrid modem hack of the nexus 4 on android?
[12:02] <Blublu> hello?
[12:02] <Blublu> I've 2 questions about ubuntu touch
[12:02] <Blublu> anybody could care to answer me :s
[12:03] <Isotop7> just ask :)
[12:03] <Blublu> hi isotop
[12:03] <Blublu> so
[12:03] <Blublu> 1) I read that ubuntu touch has html5 based apps
[12:03] <Blublu> but I also saw a guy running libreoffice on it
[12:04] <Blublu> is it technically possible to install "real" apps in ubuntu touch (desktop or otherwise)?
[12:06] <pipedream> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-Can-Now-Run-X-Org-Apps-Like-LibreOffice-469753.shtml
[12:06] <pipedream> It is not ported to Ubuntu touch (if it ever will be)
[12:07] <Isotop7> everything else in cordova, htlm5 and qml is possible but i dont think that porting native apps is something than ubuntu touch should be capable of...
[12:08] <Isotop7> even though i think that when more and more people buy ubuntu touch phones the developers will adapt an office suite. But for now: no i dont think so!
[12:08] <Isotop7> have you seen it on a video?
[12:09] <Isotop7> also ubuntu touch is intended for lightweight web apps, not for heavy mir/xmir-based apps i think :)
[12:55] <Blublu> yes I saw it in a video
[12:55] <Blublu> isotop
[12:58] <Isotop7> okay...hm i dont know if something like this is possible...maybe popey can respond :o
[12:59] <popey> Blublu: yes, you can add html5 apps
[12:59] <popey> and a few on the phone are html5
[13:00] <Blublu> not html5
[13:00] <popey> you could (via some bodging) get some "legacy" apps running on it, but why you'd want to...?
[13:00] <Blublu> desktop apps
[13:00] <popey> i was answering both your points
[13:00] <popey> you mentioned html5 first.
[13:00] <popey> why would you want to run desktop apps on a 4.5" screen? :)
[13:00] <Blublu> I actually have a second question
[13:01] <Blublu> you are familiar with livecd
[13:01] <popey> yes
[13:01] <Blublu> or with liveusb
[13:01] <Blublu> yes
[13:01] <Blublu> can you can make your phone
[13:01] <Blublu> a livephone
[13:01] <popey> you might want to type your question all on one line.
[13:01] <popey> I don't know when to answer, because you're splitting it over many lines.
[13:02] <popey> I don't know what you mean by "livephone"
[13:02] <Isotop7> and rather tell what you are aiming for :)
[13:03] <Blublu> i am sorry. my aim is to, somehow, understand if theres a possibility of turning a phone into a desktop with ubuntu on it
[13:03] <popey> not yet.
[13:03] <Blublu> a livephone would be a phone in which hdd would be an ubuntu desktop version
[13:04] <Blublu> so you would partitionate the hdd into ubuntu touch and ubuntu desktop
[13:04] <popey> You might be able to, but it's not something we've done yet.
[14:11] <ramsudharsan> I am using a server where I am not a sudoer. I am looking forward in porting Ubuntu OS for my android mobile. Can someone  give me the link to the repo so that I can sync the proper sources?
[14:13] <ramsudharsan> Sorry for posting the above message. I asked the question without following the porting guide. Now I got it.
[14:59] <Tm_T> hola
[15:03] <Tm_T> I may have locked myself out of ubuntu phone
[16:38] <Tm_T> haa, these aquaris phones has some boot menus too
[16:42] <Tm_T> hmmm, but they talk about android in many places
[16:42] <Tm_T> I wonder if I would do permanent damage if I go and choose factory reset from recovery mode
[16:44] <Stskeeps> getting rid of those android mentions is sometimes the hardest part of productization :P
[16:46] <Drew_Neilson> forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I've never used Ubuntu before and am kinda interested in it.  Before I decide whether or not to buy one of the early-adopter phones, what is the official name of Canonical's app store for Ubuntu on smart phones?
[17:12] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[17:13] <PaoloRotolo> Can you please tell me how can I detect if an HTML5 app is running on Ubuntu Touch?
[17:24] <Drew_Neilson> does anyone know of any apps that are available for Ubuntu Touch and are available for download from the Ubuntu Software Center?
[17:50] <Drew_Neilson> does anyone know of any apps that are available for Ubuntu Touch and are available for download from the Ubuntu Software Center?
[17:50] <zapa_> good day everyone
[17:50] <Drew_Neilson> I'm specifically looking for apps I can download, because I don't have an Ubuntu Phone, but am considering getting one, and I want to find out how many apps are available for Ubuntu Touch in the Ubuntu Software Center.  I figure one thing I can do is go to the Ubuntu Software Center from my Windows laptop, and see if anything specifically says "for phones" or "for Ubuntu Touch"
[17:50] <zapa_> I just installed Ubuntu-Touch on my n4 so I can try and port one of my games
[17:51] <zapa_> but both my pc's (on windows and linux) do not recognize the phone and cannot mount it.
[17:51] <zapa_> can anyone point me out to some solutions?
[17:54] <anpok> zapa_: ubuntu touch uses mtp
[17:54] <anpok> so at least on ubuntu desktop everything you need should be installed by default
[17:55] <zapa_> anpok: got a pc running ubuntu, and another one with eOS and Windows. When I plug in the device nothing happens
[17:55] <anpok> zapa_: oh did you enter the pin?
[17:56] <zapa_> there's a pin?
[17:56] <anpok> zapa_: the idea is, if you take somebodies device, you are not allowed to download any of its data
[17:56] <anpok> so you need to log in
[17:56] <anpok> on the phone while plugged in
[17:57] <zapa_> enabling phone lock via pin right now
[17:58] <anpok> Drew_Neilson: i have seen a web browseable store somewhere..hmm
[17:59] <Drew_Neilson> was it https://apps.ubuntu.com?
[18:00] <zapa_> anpok: ok, it worked! dissabled code lock
[18:00] <zapa_> and tried connecting again. Phone does not appear :D
[18:00] <anpok> Drew_Neilson: hmm no, not that one. it was some unofficial frontend
[19:36] <popey> Drew_Neilson: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[19:38] <Drew_Neilson> Thanks Popey, but is there a way to find apps for Ubuntu Touch in the Ubuntu Software Center?
[19:39] <popey> no
[19:39] <popey> the phone doesn't use the same store
[19:39] <Drew_Neilson> I read that the Ubuntu Software Center either is or will be extended to support apps for Ubuntu Touch
[19:40] <Flexman> hi!
[19:40] <Flexman> say can I run Ubuntu Touch from an USB-Stick on the Surface Pro?
[19:40] <popey> Drew_Neilson: dunno where you read that.
[19:40] <popey> Flexman: I have seen people try.
[19:41] <Flexman> popey: did you also see them succeeding? :-D
[19:41] <popey> not with my own eyes
[19:42] <Drew_Neilson> popey http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/app-ecosystem "The Ubuntu Software Centre will extend to deliver phone apps, enabling users to download and install applications in seconds. And here’s the really amazing thing: thanks to the Ubuntu SDK, apps can be written to work on all Ubuntu form factors at once."
[19:42] <popey> heh
[19:42] <popey> in the future, yeah.
[19:42] <popey> the two will merge at some point I guess.
[19:43] <Drew_Neilson> so when the first Ubuntu phone ships--the one from BQ--how will users download apps and scopes onto it?
[19:43] <Flexman> seems that ubuntu will work on the surface (but you have to get the wifi driver manually). so why shouldn't ubuntu touch work?
[19:45] <mhall119> Drew_Neilson: there's a "Store" scope where you can browse, install, leave ratings & reviews, etc
[19:45] <mhall119> works for both apps and scopes
[19:46] <popey> Drew_Neilson: There is a store.
[19:46] <popey> Drew_Neilson: right now it's separate from the desktop one
[19:47] <Drew_Neilson> I'm a Windows user, and I'm considering getting the BQ phone when it comes out soon, but I want to see Ubuntu Touch's app selection first.
[19:48] <popey> Drew_Neilson: i gave you a link.
[19:49] <Drew_Neilson> popey the link you gave me: is that the official store that the BQ phone will be configured to go to when users want to download apps and scopes?
[19:49] <popey> Drew_Neilson: its a web based view of it, yes
[19:50] <Drew_Neilson> ok, that's exactly what I wanted, a web-based view.  Thanks
[19:55] <mhall119> Drew_Neilson: it uses public APIs from the actual store to display the apps
[19:56] <Drew_Neilson> mhall119 what does?  The scope that you mentioned above?
[19:56] <Drew_Neilson> also, what do you mean by "actual store"?
[19:56] <popey> the website I linked to
[19:57] <popey> The actual store that is accessible on the phone
[19:57] <popey> The website I linked to just uses our documented APIs to pull data from the store about what apps are there, reviews etc
[19:57] <popey> it presents that in a web page.
[19:57] <mhall119> technically they both use the same API
[19:59] <Drew_Neilson> so let me make sure I understand correctly: popey: the link you provided me uses the API from the store--the store that will be directly accessible from the phone--to list Ubuntu Touch apps in a web page?
[19:59] <popey> yes
[20:00] <Drew_Neilson> perfect
[20:01] <Drew_Neilson> so if the store for Ubuntu Touch apps and scopes is going to be separate from the Ubuntu Software Center for a while, what is the name of the Ubuntu Touch software store?
[20:02] <popey> We colloquially call it the "Click store"
[20:04]  * popey goes away for a bit while running benchmark tests.
[20:05] <Drew_Neilson> if the BQ phone is going on sale next week, shouldn't the app store for Ubuntu Touch be finished by now?
[20:06] <popey> what do you mean by "finished"?
[20:06] <popey> Is the Microsoft Windows store "finished"?
[20:07] <Drew_Neilson> Or I mean, shouldn't it have a finalized name?  I'm curious because you said that you all *colloquially* call it the "click store".
[20:08] <popey> its a long story
[20:08] <popey> i said we colloquially call it that because the name may change
[20:08] <Myself5> I wouldnt use Windows as an example popey. Nothing is finished there :P
[20:08] <popey> but if you said "is it in the click store?" I (and everyone else here) would know what you mean.
[20:08] <popey> Myself5: exactly my point.
[20:09] <Myself5> but Ubuntu should be better ;P
[20:09] <popey> s/Ubuntu/anything/
[20:09] <popey> Nothing is perfect.
[20:09] <popey> Two hardest things in computing. 1) Caching 2) naming things.
[20:09] <Myself5> true
[20:10] <Drew_Neilson> I guess I don't need to know what the store's *official* name is, since the link you provided shows me what apps are available, I was just curious in case I decided to Google its official name to read more about it
[20:12] <popey> Drew_Neilson: the official name on the website is the "Ubuntu Software Store beta"
[20:12] <popey> "click store" is easier to day
[20:12] <popey> *say
[20:12] <popey> hence "colloquially"
[20:13] <Drew_Neilson> can you send me a link?
[20:16] <anpok> popey: and the second hardest thing is 2) off-by-one errors
[20:22] <WebVisitor-7> I am trying to figure out how to install Ubuntu Touch onto my specific tablet. Can't find much info on it anywhere. I have an Acer Iconia w500 (Runs Windows 7 and can support Windows 8). I have Ubuntu Desktop 14.04 on it but it runs as a desktop and this is in fact a Tablet. Any advice please ??
[20:27] <jgdx> !devices | WebVisitor-7
[20:28] <WebVisitor-7> my device is not listed there. The Iconia a700 is, but that is an Android device, where mine is a x86 based. I can't find any info anywhere on how to install it to this device.
[20:32] <muyiscoi> I'm trying to test out the vivid unity 8 session ISO, but its requesting a password to login when I boot it
[20:32] <muyiscoi> what's the password?
[20:32] <jgdx> muyiscoi, tried "phablet" ?
[20:33] <muyiscoi> no. Let me try that
[20:34] <jgdx> or maybe it's what's described here? http://www.webupd8.org/2014/06/ubuntu-desktop-next-unity8-1410-utopic.html
[20:37] <WebVisitor-7> is there not a generic version of Ubuntu Touch for x86 that I can try and run from a USB Key or something?
[20:38] <muyiscoi> apparently, i'm just supposed to press enter. I'm testing it on a USB stick on this same laptop, so I wanna be certain before restarting again
[20:41] <Isotop7> is anybody familiar with hybrid modem hack of mako device for lte? Is this possible in ubuntu-touch?
[20:53] <popey> Drew_Neilson: link to what?
[20:53] <popey> (sorry, was afk)
[21:43] <adrian47> I have got bootlogo now!!!  :)
[21:44] <mighty> Hi,you can instal ubuntu- touch into a smartphone based on raspberry pi ?
[21:45] <k1l_> the arm chip from the old rpi is too old and not supported.
[21:47] <adrian47> I removed some folders from /data/usr/share (it was too big, i want symlink it later) it should boot without it?
[21:48] <adrian47> And how long can take 1st boot?
[21:50] <Drew_Neilson> Leo I want to mention that the fully unlocked, SIM-free iPhone 6 is now available from the Apple Store.  It might, depending on price, be a better option than buying an unlocked, Verizon-branded iPhone 6.
[21:51] <Drew_Neilson> oops, wrong chat room
[21:54] <studio_> hi
[21:56] <studio_> i have a question about the ubuntu-"phone". i was searching for a sip-client, but i couldn't find. will there be a sip-client for the ubuntu-phone?
[22:00] <jgdx> studio_, seems the answer is no, based on http://askubuntu.com/questions/262802/sip-client-in-ubuntu-touch
[22:02] <studio_> yes, i found informations from 2013, but i thought there are some updates?
[22:07] <adrian47> how can i debug now ubuntu boot process?
[22:18] <studio_> hmm, ubuntu-phone without sip and/or video calls like skype?
[22:20] <studio_> so how to make a video call on ubuntu-touch?
[22:20] <jgdx> studio_, maybe add an app to the click store?
[22:21] <studio_> sorry, don't understand that
[22:22] <studio_> isn't it a basic function from a phone?
[22:23] <jgdx> there are so many basic functions, though
[22:23] <studio__> ok, sms, mms and call and?
[22:25] <studio__> how to make a video call on the ubuntu-phone?
[22:29] <adrian47> Can i get real time log like with abd logcat on android?
[22:30] <studio__> come on, nobody tried a video call on ubuntu-touch?
[22:48] <studio__> the old Nokia N95 was able to make a video call, so the ubuntu-phone is not?
[22:49] <k1l_> well, linphone is in the ubuntu repos. does this work on ubuntu-touch?
[22:50]  * k1l_ had never used a voip call on his smartphones so far.
[22:51] <studio__> what about a video call via 3G? ...
[22:54] <k1l_> for me video calls are not important. you still need the other person to have the same protocol and a lot of transferspeed etc etc etc.
[22:54] <studio__> hmm, i do not try about to ask about a "secure" call on a ubuntu-phone ...
[22:55] <studio__> ... to ask ...
[22:56] <studio__> sorry for my english, but questions about questions.
[22:57] <k1l_> if you really demand such things that much help to get it to ubuntu touch. i mean its open source
[22:58] <studio__> @k1l_, i have to wait till bq makes it public, so in the moment i only can wait before testing ...
[22:59] <k1l_> you can put ubuntu touch on other devices
[23:00] <studio__> i only have the E4.5
[23:07] <studio__> @k1l_, but what first about a sip-client?
[23:08] <studio__> i am missing secure e-mail but now also no secure call?
[23:09] <k1l_> i think there is a process where you can file a whishlist or bugs so people who are interested can see if they can help there
[23:09] <k1l_> or you just code the apps you need and put them on the store.
[23:11] <studio__> i don't understand that, i am using ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04 and it is nearly secure, but the ubuntu-phone is not?
[23:12] <k1l_> studio__: you really should switch from demanding to "how can i help"
[23:12] <studio__> why do you not like question about "user" security?
[23:13] <k1l_> studio__: you dont ask. you demand and go nuts if the answer is not what you like
[23:14] <studio__> i allways ask but about security for the user i get no answer
[23:15] <k1l_> you got answers. but it seems most answers are no or no one is active right now in here who knows better. (since this channel is slow on weekends and late nights anyway).
[23:15] <studio__> " or no one is active right now in ..." ok
[23:16] <k1l_> and then you start making people feel unconfortable who like ubuntu touch because you start talking bad about it. so again: if that is super important for you when do you start doing something for it?
[23:16] <papy> hi all
[23:16] <studio__> sorry, not "bad about" just missing !!!
[23:17] <studio__> hi
[23:17] <k1l_> you just sit there and say: i want this, i want that, why doesnt it have this,..... so if that is important for you try to help make things better
[23:18] <studio__> @k1l_, i thought ubuntu touch is the same i have on my computers like ubuntu, but in the "moment" it is not ... do you understand that?
[23:18] <k1l_> studio__: i even know that
[23:19] <studio__> ;) ok
[23:19] <papy> can someone tell me if ubuntu touch can be installed on a x86 tablet like Asus T200TA ?
[23:19] <k1l_> studio__: on your pc you dont use unity8 or mir.
[23:19] <studio__> right
[23:19] <k1l_> studio__: and most important: on arm the driver thingy is a total different issue
[23:20] <studio__> it is not the question of "arm" i also use other arm-devices with linux
[23:21] <k1l_> because people spent time making working isos for it.
[23:24] <papy> can someone tell me if ubuntu touch can be installed on a x86 tablet like Asus T200TA ?
[23:24] <studio__> mtk is making advertising that ubuntu-touch is working in their chipset, so why they do not publish the kernel sources for 3.13 or higher?
[23:26] <studio__> i bought the E4.5 for "learning" but since now, i can't learn :(
[23:28] <k1l_> you should have bought the development devices then
[23:28] <studio__> where?
[23:28] <k1l_> you know which they are?
[23:29] <studio__> yes, bq aquaris E4.5
[23:30] <k1l_> nope. that is the first ubuntu-touch phone. but not the development device
[23:31] <k1l_> studio__: read this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:31] <studio__> what do you think is this: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/video20141203_124614654.mp4 ?
[23:32] <k1l_> please read the side i linked
[23:32] <studio__> "devices" is outdated
[23:32] <k1l_> m(
[23:36] <k1l_> studio__: so you now know, that ubuntu got official supported development devices: the nexus ones, and a whole bunch of other devices with community support. you easily could have picked one of those if you wanted to learn.
[23:37] <studio__> @k1l_ look here: https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/564190419685494785
[23:37] <k1l_> studio__: so dont blame ubuntu-touch that you need to wait. you could have choosen other devices.
[23:38] <k1l_> studio__: i bet you still didnt read the page i linked you
[23:39] <studio__> but it is not showing ubuntu-touch is with a video call nor with a secure call nor e-mail !!!
[23:40] <studio__> therefore i am asking here!
[23:40] <k1l_> studio__:  and you got answers
[23:40] <k1l_> you dont like the answers but thats the way it is.
[23:40] <studio__> from 2013?
[23:40] <k1l_> nope
[23:41] <k1l_> scroll back up and read again.
[23:41] <studio__> so "please" what about "user" security?
[23:41] <k1l_> studio__: sagmal!
[23:41] <studio__> no sagmal!
[23:41] <k1l_> liest du auch nur für 2 pfennig was man dir antwortet?
[23:43] <studio__> plz, what e-mail-client for secure e-mail (gpg or s/mime) and that client for secure calls on ubuntu-phone?
[23:43] <k1l_> studio__: no
[23:43] <studio__> come on, this is not funny ....
[23:44] <k1l_> that questions were already answered and you can leave if you want to spoil the work of volunteers and troll this channel
[23:45] <studio__> this not about the channel, this is about ubuntu-phone!
[23:45] <k1l_> stop trolling
[23:46] <studio__> do YOU think i am trolling?
[23:46] <studio__> i do not beleve ....
[23:47] <k1l_> yes. pope_y did answer you the email question last days several time very clearly. and i just did it again and answered you the question about the secure calls.
[23:47] <k1l_> so even if you ask today<PHONE_NUMBER>0000000 times again. the answes dont change magically.
[23:48] <studio__> no, still now i got no answer about a simple video calll ...
[23:48] <k1l_> *sigh*
[23:50] <studio__> so, do i ask the wrong questions?
[23:51] <k1l_> no, you just dont like the right answers
[23:52] <studio__> since now, i got no answer ... what about a video call
[23:52] <k1l_> scroll back up
[23:52] <studio__> no answer ...
[23:52] <k1l_> i am not going to answer questions that i already answered you
[23:53] <studio__> is "make an app" your answer???
[23:54] <k1l_> that is the result of you beeing too stubborn and not accept answers that you dont like
[23:54] <matv1> studio_ atm there is no video calls in ubuntu touch. you have been told. don' t keep asking.
[23:55] <studio__> g+, facebook and Co. is so important for a linux-phone ... :(
[23:59] <studio__> new questions, what about a free (offline) navigation and libre office?


[11:22] <pvl1> hello, i need some help with subiquity and curtin. dont seem to understand how to pass along a disablement of the resizefs step. OR really, the ultimate goal is to use existing partitions
[12:21] <pvl1> actually now im struggling with just getting curtin to recognize the software raid
[12:51] <hwpplayer1> hi people !
[12:51] <Quark> For machines built with MAAS, but later taken out of the scope of it (moved the different subnets, not under MAAS management), what does it needs to happen so that they get IP from a different DHCP (not MAAS DHCP)?
[12:52] <hwpplayer1> Do you know any document about cluster computing and parallel computing with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Server
[12:54] <hwpplayer1> maybe official Ubuntu documents/manuals
[12:57] <Quark> hwpplayer1, https://www.particleincell.com/2020/ubuntu-linux-cluster/
[12:58] <hwpplayer1> Thanks Quark
[23:31] <pvl1> I cant seem to figure out how to pass the apt settings onto curtin


[06:46] <trijntje> shaunm: thanks, I'll give that a try
[16:01] <mpt> Yo, does anyone know the number of the bug report where the help is hard to find in Ubuntu?
[16:02] <mpt> as in, it's hard to find the help viewer in the first place
[16:03] <mpt> I don't see it in the ubuntu-docs bug list
[16:03] <jbicha> mpt: I think it's bug 860501 now
[16:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860501 in unity "User Documentation should be easier to access" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860501
[16:04] <mpt> That's the one, thanks jbicha
[16:05] <mpt> I bring good tidings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenuBar#system-status
[16:07] <jbicha> mpt: cool, thanks!
[16:08] <jbicha> mpt: Are you thinking that "About This Computer" would point to the Details panel in System Settings?
[16:08] <mpt> jbicha, for now, though separately I'd like to split that out into its own window
[16:09] <mpt> "Details" is the junk drawer of System Settings
[16:12] <jbicha> ooh, on/off switches for the indicators would be nice
[16:56] <jbicha> oh and it's already on the Design blog, that was fast
[17:32] <dpm> hi jbicha, not sure if it's a bug, but it seems an image is missing from the docs source tree
[17:33] <dpm>  artnay, which images are missing?
 dpm: for example http://<IP_ADDRESS>/color-assignprofiles.html
 ah, it seems to be missing from the source tree, weird
[17:33] <dpm>  seems like an ubuntu-docs bug to me
[18:21] <jbicha> artnay: dpm: thanks, I just pushed rev. 127 to add that image
[18:22] <dpm> excellent, thanks jbicha
[18:22] <jbicha> the color-* screenshots we just take from GNOME without changes
[19:45] <peppe84> About ubiquity migration-assistant: is documented? It seems there is nothing on community wiki.


[10:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:07] <Nafallo> morning
[10:13] <brobostigon> o/
[10:14] <SuperMatt> top of the morning to you all
[11:20] <diplo> Morning all
[12:44] <foobarry> ali1234: looked at OBS over the weekend, looks really powerful
[12:45] <foobarry> bit of a learning curve, but certainly looks decent
[12:48] <m0nkey_> Morning
[13:49] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/Bouletcorp/status/952899749992165376
[18:57] <daftykins> what sad news for all Cranberries fans, Dolores O'Riordan passing at 46
[18:57] <daftykins> i nearly caught a gig early last year but she cancelled it due to 'doctors orders'
[19:03] <m0nkey_> What's a 1150 socket motherboard I can still get that's any good? Need to go from ITX to ATX because more pcie slots.
[19:04] <m0nkey_> I want to reuse everything, inc CPU/RAM, etc.
[19:07] <daftykins> just look for H chipsets for middle o' the road and Z if you wanna get premium features / overclock
[19:16] <daftykins> m0nkey_: how'd it die?
[19:19] <m0nkey_> nothing died. just need more pcie slots. figured it'll be cheaper to just replace the board/case than buying into a whole new system
[19:20] <m0nkey_> especially since ram prices are ridiculous.
[19:24] <daftykins> diddledan: today's little physicist proceeded to knock the empty amazon box off the desk, then leap into it ;) https://i.imgur.com/ylTggiU.jpg
[19:25] <diddledan> <3
[19:27] <diddledan> my sister lost her kitty before xmas - she jumped into a delivery van while nobody was looking and was only discovered as the driver stopped for a delivery a couple miles down the road. unfortunately she leapt out at that point and into the woodlands. someone found her yesterday and she's finally home after over a month in the wild. she's thin and tired but ok *phew*
[19:27] <daftykins> crikey!
[19:28] <daftykins> hope she's locking the little devil in for several weeks for recovery
[19:29] <diddledan> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GmNEuau9/misty.picture
[19:30] <diddledan> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/C3qjwZX8/misty.picture2
[19:30] <diddledan> she's totes adorbs
[19:31] <daftykins> are those both prior?
[19:31] <diddledan> nope, they're today and yesterday resp
[19:32] <daftykins> ah-ha
[19:32] <daftykins> oh have a bonus Mischief enjoying more of her premium toys - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrfZoNpYNyo
[19:32] <daftykins> she's a classy lady
[19:33] <diddledan> gotta love a bit of paper
[19:40] <m0nkey_> OK, so I've been informed my work cell phone is due for renewal/upgrade
[19:40] <m0nkey_> I got a chose of Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7. What should I take?
[19:40] <m0nkey_> *choice
[19:42] <m0nkey_> Before any asks, it's just for work. Will not be used for music, photos, etc. just voice calls & email.
[19:49] <daftykins> i avoid both xD
[19:50] <daftykins> i think the most sensible decision would be based around what you own at home for use of charger sharing etc
[19:54] <m0nkey_> S7 in that case
[19:54] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[19:54] <m0nkey_> And it's done.


[15:39] <om26er> What is the general feel if I announce a bug day for thursday to be focused on triaging  Transmission BT ?
[15:47] <hggdh> om26er: I see no problem. It will have to be blogged about, of course
[15:47] <om26er> hggdh, should I use my blog which syndicates to Planet or is there any specific blog ?
[15:48] <om26er> and ofcourse also announce on the mailing list
[15:48] <hggdh> om26er: Planet is good, and emails to bugsquad, -control, and whoever else you feel would be interested. And thank you :-)
[15:49] <jibel> there is no specific blog for bug days
[15:51] <om26er> hggdh, alright, I will do that, first I am talking with the upstream developer of transmission about how best we can collaborate
[15:52] <hggdh> perfect!
[15:53] <jibel> om26er, just in case you didn't find it already, this page gives guidelines to organize a bug day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing I don't know if everything is still up to date though
[15:55] <hggdh> pedro_: ^ would you help om26er ?
[16:01] <om26er> jibel, thanks for that, also last i had a chat with persia we were mutually inclined towards not having a wiki page showing bugs, "just jump to launchpad and triage" was discussed, how do you feel about that
[16:01] <om26er> hggdh, ^
[16:02] <om26er> though we can still follow other procedures from the above link
[16:03] <hggdh> om26er: I think both approaches would work. The idea behind the wiki page was to make easier to jot down which bugs have been seen, and who worked on them. But this can also be had from LP itself
[16:04] <jibel> om26er, I think some people, especially newcomers, need guidance and list of bugs can help when you don't really know where to start
[16:04] <jibel> om26er, but for more experienced triagers or people who know a package well, I agree bug lists are superfluous
[16:05] <jibel> also bug list have the advantage to set a measurable goal
[16:05] <jibel> which is more difficult to measure with package with loads of bugs
[16:06] <om26er> jibel, lets see how well the bug day tool is working or even working
[16:06] <jibel> it might be a bit frustrating to say, "Great work you triaged 32 bugs amongst 12345 bugs for this package" :)
[16:08] <jibel> psivaa, can you help with SRU verification of bug 1097907 ?
[16:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1097907 in update-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "Cannot upgrade from quantal (12.10) to raring (13.04)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1097907
[16:10] <om26er> fun, ubuntu-qa-tools package was never uploaded after Natty so the problem is that we can't use something like ' hugday close BUGNUMBER'
[16:10] <psivaa> jibel: sure, it fix has been just committed, ill try in a couple of hours if thats ok
[16:10] <om26er> would need everyone to edit the wikipage
[16:11] <jibel> it wouldn't work well obviously :/
[16:11] <jibel> psivaa, thanks
[16:11] <psivaa> jibel: yw
[22:06] <jarlath> As of a few days ago, choosing "Shutdown" from the little cog now takes me to the login screen instead of shutting down. Is this familiar to anyone? There are no other logged in users.
[22:09] <jarlath> I have an idea. Brb.
[22:25] <jarlath> Okay, the commands work from the greeter menu *before* I log into an account. After I log in to any account, I can't do it from the cog-menu or even the greeter when I log out. I'm not performing any actions in the account during this test. What could be happening as the session starts to cause this?


[08:27] <mlankhorst> RAOF: fwiw, bug 1086345
[08:27] <mlankhorst> exactly as I feared...
[08:31] <mlankhorst> This won't work unless libdrm gets haswell support. Since the whole reason for doing a libdrm rename was for plymouth to use the old version, can we please drop the libdrm rename and go back to uploading a new libdrm unrenamed?
[08:58] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ^
[09:36] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I'll send a mail to ubuntu-release. We might be able to come up with a better plan, but I'll lay out the problem. Specifically - plymouth needs the new libdrm haswell support to work on haswell.
[09:47] <mlankhorst> ah k
[09:48] <mlankhorst> fwiw, I always kept that option open, it's not going to be hard to flip the switch on all the lts packages if we decide not to rename libdrm any longer
[09:58] <tjaalton> ¤&/" useless totem firefox plugin.. needs to download the video file completely before playing, and playing again of course means downloading the file again..
[10:01] <mlankhorst> :')
[10:49] <mlankhorst> yay on rebase tons of patches I needed are no longer needed :)
[11:05] <mlankhorst> argh, then I hit a lockdep inversion with efifb, but if I disable efifb macbook blows up.. great
[12:03] <mlankhorst> ok found fix, found another problem exposed by fix.. sigh
[13:09] <soren> Have any of you guys tried running X in an LXC container?
[13:10] <mlankhorst> not crazy :)
[13:11] <soren> Perhaps a more relevant question is: What is the expected success rate of the Raring X stack on a Precise kernel?
[13:12] <soren> Or Quantal for that matter.
[13:12] <tjaalton> there's the backport stack in 12.04.2
[13:12] <tjaalton> and it should work with the older kernel too
[13:13] <soren> tjaalton: What I'm really trying to do is see the various desktop environments availalble in Raring, without messing up my Precise laptop.
[13:13] <soren> tjaalton: So a Rarin X stck on Precise doesn't really help me much.
[13:14] <tjaalton> hmm
[13:17]  * soren tries something
[13:23] <mlankhorst> then this is obviously the wrong channel
[13:23] <soren> It seems to work!
[13:23] <soren> I was just missing some device nodes in the container, apparently.
[13:24] <soren> Keyboard and mouse doesn't work, but meh.
[13:24] <soren> Progress.
[13:24] <tjaalton> so running raring on a container, using the host xserver?
[13:24] <soren> No no.
[13:24] <tjaalton> oh both
[13:24] <soren> Precise host, raring lxc.
[13:24] <soren> Running X inside the lxc.
[13:25] <soren> So the only "precise" part involved is the kernel.
[13:25] <tjaalton> you need /dev/input/* on the container
[13:25] <soren> Everything else is raring.
[13:25] <soren> I have that.
[13:25] <soren> Not sure why that isn't enough, but I can go digging now.
[13:25] <tjaalton> ok
[13:25] <soren> Thanks!
[13:26] <tjaalton> for what? :)
[13:27] <soren> Um... For not breaking it? :)
[13:28] <tjaalton> hehe
[14:28] <mlankhorst> hmz for some reason DRI_PRIME=1 fps shot up.. not complaining :D
[14:40] <Mez> Has anyone managed to get a 12.10 box up and running with 3 screens using an nvidia card?
[14:42] <Mez> unity just falls over if the compositing is disabled.  and if it's enabled - it doesn't work correctly... (invisible windows!)
[14:43] <mlankhorst> I thought nvidia only supported 2 screens at a time?
[14:44] <mlankhorst> on 1 card
[14:44] <Mez> mlankhorst: on one GPU.
[14:44] <Mez> mlankhorst: I'm using an nvidia quadro
[15:52] <mlankhorst> Mez: nvidia drivers?
[16:42] <Mez> mlankhorst: yup
[20:31] <ejat> bug 1099655
[20:31] <ejat> anyone or someone can verify that ?
[23:17] <mlankhorst> RAOF: I guess the xorg bug close means the entire lts stack got promoted to -updates? :)


[06:48] <mborzecki> morning
[08:06] <pstolowski> morning
[08:26] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:27] <mardy> hi!
[08:28] <mborzecki> mardy: hey, did you make the slots bit work yesterday?
[10:01] <mup> PR snapd#10752 closed: configcore: implement netplan write support via dbus <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10752>
[10:22] <mborzecki> hmm
[10:22] <mborzecki> email check is confused when there's no git repo?
[10:26] <mardy> mborzecki: yes, thanks!
[10:29] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mardy: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11277 ?
[10:29] <mup> PR #11277: tests: cross store remodel <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11277>
[10:30] <pstolowski> sure
[10:31] <mup> PR snapd#11281 opened: check-commit-email: do not fail when current dir is not under git <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11281>
[10:43] <mborzecki> thanks!
[10:43] <mardy> mborzecki: reviewed
[10:44] <mborzecki> mardy: and thank you too!
[11:31] <mup> PR snapd#11282 opened: bootloader: allow different names for the grub binary in different archs <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11282>
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#11281 closed: check-commit-email: do not fail when current dir is not under git <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11281>
[12:28] <mborzecki> mardy: spread-shellcheck goes through all task.yaml under tests and spread.yaml, that's ~662 files
[14:09] <mborzecki> meh, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SetBuildFlagsBuildCheck broke snapd builds in rawhide
[18:13] <mup> PR snapd#10716 closed: tests/lib/prepare.sh: add debug kernel command line params via gadget on UC20 <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10716>
[18:13] <mup> PR snapd#11084 closed: gadget/update.go: add DiskTraitsFromDeviceAndValidate <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11084>
[20:13] <mup> PR snapd#11283 opened: tests: drop 21.04 tests (it's EOL) <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11283>
[21:58] <ijohnson[m]> jawn-smith: hey is mattermost down for you too
[21:58] <jawn-smith> ijohnson[m]: yeah it is
[21:59] <ijohnson[m]> Ok so not just me
[21:59] <ijohnson[m]> I was going to ask you if you had looked at skipping fakeroot and using sudo directly ?
[21:59] <jawn-smith> I found some suspicious looking code in fakeroot, so maybe we're not actually hitting the AT_SECURE issue
[21:59] <jawn-smith> and yes, sudo works perfectly
[21:59] <ijohnson[m]> Would need to run it by mvo and sil2100 but maybe that is the only way
[21:59] <ijohnson[m]> Oh interesting about the suspicious code in fakeroot
[22:00] <jawn-smith> yeah I'll let you know what I find
[22:02] <ijohnson[m]> Okay sounds good thanks
[22:15] <jawn-smith> ijohnson[m]: it seems after all that I have a fakeroot problem rather than a snapd problem. Fakeroot appears to be overriding LD_LIBRARY_PATH. I appreciate all your help with this
[22:15] <ijohnson[m]> ah-ha well isn't that just terrible
[22:15] <ijohnson[m]> but good we got it figured out
[22:16] <jawn-smith> indeed, I likely would have chased secure execution for a while if you hadn't checked that yourself. Thank you!
[22:17] <ijohnson[m]> np, happy to help get our CI back on track 🙂
[23:34] <mup> PR snapd#11284 opened: osutil/mkfs: Expose option for --lib flag in fakeroot call <Created by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11284>


[17:40] <StFS> hello... is there any concensus on what laptops are generally most compatable with ubuntu now?
[22:54] <kristofernathan> have their been any fixes for hp pavilion dv6000 series using broadcom wifi?
[22:54] <kristofernathan> my card is still disabled :(


[08:53] <legendshaanu> hi
[09:32] <RAi> hi elopio, kyrofa, sergiusens and popey.
[10:15] <Krithik> hi
[11:16] <omairqazi> hi popey fork my repo (https://github.com/omairqazi/omairqazi-instantnews) into github.com/snapcrafters, transfer the snap name (omairqazi-instantnews) to snapcrafters, and configure the repo for automatic publishing into edge on commit
[11:20] <omairqazi> hi admin fork my repo (https://github.com/omairqazi/omairqazi-instantnews) into github.com/snapcrafters, transfer the snap name (omairqazi-instantnews) to snapcrafters, and configure the repo for automatic publishing into edge on commit
[11:22] <omairqazi> hi elopio fork my repo (https://github.com/omairqazi/omairqazi-instantnews) into github.com/snapcrafters, transfer the snap name (omairqazi-instantnews) to snapcrafters, and configure the repo for automatic publishing into edge on commit
[15:07] <konrad11901> elopio, sergiusens, kyrofa: anyone there?
[15:16] <m4sk1n> kyrofa, sergiusens: anyone there?
[15:18] <Accelerator> i think they are on vacation...
[16:06] <konrad11901> yeah, probably
[16:09] <konrad11901> by the way, does anyone know anything about new tasks? to be honest, there are only a few tasks (from the remaining ones) which fit my skills and interests :(
[16:10] <Accelerator> well same here
[16:14] <RAI>  hi to elopio, kyrofa, sergiusens and popey.
[16:14] <popey> hey
[16:14] <popey> it's a bit quiet round here at the holidays :)
[16:14] <RAI> ya
[16:15] <RAI> hey popey what are you doing now
[16:17] <RAI> popey please give me the script of video in english
[16:18] <RAI> popey please give me the script
[16:20] <RAI> popey please give me the script in english
[16:21] <popey> RAI: I don't think i have it. I am looking
[16:22] <RAI> ok please look and confirm it
[16:22] <popey> elopio: have you been sharing the english language text of the videos, or just asking people to watch the video and translate as they go from the audio?
[16:22] <konrad11901> popey, I'm sorry to bother you, but are there some plans for new tasks? I'd be really, really thankful for something new! :)
[16:23] <popey> konrad11901: working on it! :D
[16:23] <konrad11901> popey: that's great! :D
[16:23] <popey> Likely not today though :)
[16:25] <konrad11901> ok, no problem :) at least I know that you're working on something new, and that's enough :)
[16:27] <RAI> hey popey look it fast for the script i need it please
[16:28] <popey> RAI: i don't have the scripts.
[16:28] <popey> RAI: look up and you'll see I asked elopio for clarification
[16:30] <RAI> ok please tell me fast
[16:32] <RAI> poppey i think elopio does not have so from whom i take the script
[16:34] <popey> The task doesn't call for a script. It says watch the video and translate it.
[16:35] <RAI> ok popey sorry for the diturbing
[16:35] <popey> No problem :)
[16:36] <Rakshika> hey!
[16:36] <konrad11901> hi! :)
[16:37] <Rakshika> hey elopio
[16:37] <Rakshika> hey kyrofa
[16:37] <Rakshika> hey sergiusens
[16:37] <Rakshika> hey popey.
[16:37] <popey> hello
[16:39] <RAI> popey can you explain a bit what i have to do in a video please
[16:39] <popey> RAI: have you seen the task which describes this?
[16:40] <RAI> yes
[16:40] <popey> the task "Translate the subtitles for a snapcraft video" it lists what to do. What is not clear?
[16:41] <RAI> ok thank you
[16:41] <rakshika> popey i'm not finding any video without subtitles.. pls help.
[16:42] <RAI> yes me also
[16:42] <popey> There aren't a lot of videos unfortunately
[16:43] <rakshika> so what do we do?
[16:43] <popey> And if the translation for your language is already done then you can't really do that task
[16:43] <RAI> yes
[16:43] <popey> there are other translation tasks though
[16:43] <rakshika> that's not fair!
[16:45] <rakshika> should i abandon the task?
[16:46] <popey> Yup
[16:51] <RAI> popey ar you studying or passed high school
[16:51] <RAI> can be my friend please
[16:51] <popey> School was many years ago for me :)
[16:51] <wxl> XD
[16:52] <rakshika> hey popey. there's auto translate for all videos.
[16:52] <rakshika> so what's the point in having this task in the contest.
[16:52] <popey> auto translation isn't great, which is why we asked people to submit better ones.
[16:53] <rakshika> so can i select a video and make it better?
[16:53] <rakshika> would it be considered?
[16:53] <RAI> yes rakshika i also to think
[16:53] <rakshika> RAI what's your name?
[16:54] <rakshika> is RAI itself your name?
[16:54] <RAI> no
[16:54] <RAI> Shivam rai
[16:54] <rakshika> cool. where are you from?
[16:54] <RAI> i am from lucknow
[16:54] <RAI> ansal city
[16:56] <rakshika> nice
[16:56] <RAI> rakshika where are you from
[16:56] <rakshika> popey answer me. please?
[16:56] <rakshika> I'm from Bangalore!
[16:57] <popey> rakshika: I'm not sure to be honest.
[16:57] <rakshika> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxjEBeNFJfU
[16:57] <rakshika> i want to translate this to kannada
[16:58] <rakshika> is it possible?
[16:59] <popey> The task says not to do the office hours videos (although it does say the long ones).
[16:59] <RAI> rakshika what is your age
[17:00] <rakshika> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymO49VCY1BQ&t=1s
[17:00] <wxl> hey you two, i should mention that this is a publicly logged channel. maybe you want to keep your private conversation containing personal information in a private message? there's the /msg command
[17:00] <rakshika> what about this?
[17:02] <konrad11901> hey, quite a silly question: if somebody has assigned a bug on Launchpad to himself/herself, can I still send a pull request which fixes this bug?
[17:02] <konrad11901> I assume that I can't
[17:02] <konrad11901> but I want to be sure
[17:02] <konrad11901> :D
[17:02] <popey> yes
[17:02] <popey> anyone can contribute fixes to bugs in launchpad
[17:02] <popey> even if someone else is marked as assigned
[17:03] <konrad11901> Oh, that's great!
[17:03] <popey> HOWEVER - doing that might cause duplication of work
[17:03] <popey> (unless you can be sure the other person hasn't done any work on it yet)
[17:03] <konrad11901> hmm, I can't be really sure, the bug has been assigned 3 hours ago
[17:04] <konrad11901> was assigned*
[17:04] <wxl> email the person involved
[17:04] <popey> who was it assigned to?
[17:04] <konrad11901> sheogorath
[17:04] <konrad11901> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1735476)
[17:06] <popey> given the other person only assigned it to themselves 3 hours ago, I think it's best to contact them
[17:07] <konrad11901> hmm, you're right
[17:07] <konrad11901> or I'll just choose another bug
[17:07] <konrad11901> anyway, thanks :)
[17:08] <wxl> i think a lot of folks would love others to swoop in and do their work for them :)
[17:09] <wxl> as a volunteer, there's a never-ending amount of things to do
[17:10] <popey> heh
[17:11] <popey> unless the other person is also a codein student
[17:11] <popey> which is plausible at this time
[17:11] <wxl> yeah that would be unhappy :)
[17:11] <konrad11901> yeah
[17:27] <adiswami14> \help
[17:30] <adiswami14> just a small question guys, I just joined code-in, so what does launchpad do?
[17:30] <popey> launchpad is the mail site we use to co-ordinate development via bugs, source code hosting and building
[17:32] <popey> s/mail/main/
[17:33] <adiswami14> Oh ok thx, but where do I write the code? Or should I just write it on MSVS and then go to Launchpad?
[17:33] <popey> Depends on the task
[17:34] <adiswami14> See I am trying to automate GNOME, but I don't know how to access GNOME, and where to actually write the code
[17:34] <RAI> hey popey after translating the video what we have to do
[17:35] <popey> The task should detail that.
[17:36] <RAI> means popey
[17:37] <RAI> popey please tell
[17:38] <popey> What is not clear in the task?
[17:38] <RAI> means i have translated and added the subtitles so now what?
[17:41] <RAI> popey please tell last time
[17:42] <popey> you should provide a link to the subtitles in your task submission
[17:45] <RAI> eg
[17:45] <RAI> popey eg
[17:47] <RAI> please popey
[17:47] <popey> I gave you the answer you needed. What is the next question?
[17:47] <popey> Please form full sentences of questions rather than just ping me.
[17:48] <RAI> means what will be the link to the subtitles
[17:49] <RAI> and in tasks what we have to do (to submit the task or(attach a file)
[17:50] <RAI> popey please
[17:50] <popey> Dude!
[17:50] <popey> Patience!
[17:50] <RAI> ok
[17:52] <RAI> popey what happened
[17:52] <popey> You are waiting for me to reply.
[17:52] <RAI> yes
[17:52] <popey> Be patient.
[17:52] <RAI> you should provide a link to the subtitles in your task submission
[17:52] <RAI> what is the meaning
[17:53] <popey> In Google Code in, you can reply to the task when you submit it
[17:53] <popey> You can put a link to the subtitles there
[17:53] <popey> or screenshots showing the subtitles
[17:53] <wxl> RAI: i would suggest asking a question and then waiting for the answer XD
[17:53] <popey> RAI: Bugging me repeatedly won't get you an answer any faster.
[17:53] <popey> Patience works.
[17:54] <RAI> ok bro cool
[17:54] <RAI> sorry
[17:55] <wxl> that's also a good general life lesson, i might add
[17:58] <RAI> what will be the link in subtiitles
[17:58] <RAI> popey
[17:58] <popey> I answered already.
[17:58] <popey> Link to the video, or uploads screenshots showing the translation.
[17:59] <RAI> ok ok
[17:59] <RAI> so popey will you be my friend
[17:59] <popey> I am everyone's friend. :)
[18:00] <RAI> i think you are working n google
[18:01] <popey> No, I work for Canonical, on Ubuntu.
[18:01] <popey> Like a few people here.
[18:02] <RAI> popey in google code in website i have copied the link of my videos and copy to the comment box and submitted
[18:02] <RAI> it is fine
[18:02] <popey> Awesome! Thanks.
[18:02] <RAI> so i click submit for review or not
[18:03] <wxl> yes
[18:03] <RAI> ok
[18:03] <RAI> hey popey can you give your gmail.id
[18:04] <wxl> why would you need that?
[18:04] <popey> It's fine to communicate here, or privately on irc


[10:44] <sil2100> Hello! I have a question about a possible bug in LP API, maybe I'm just doing something wrong
[10:45] <sil2100> I'm doing such a thing:
[10:46] <sil2100> Having a binary package name, I do a getPublishedBinaries() on the archive to get the binary_package_publishing_history and then accessing its source package through getLatestSourcePublication() - all works fine here so far
[10:46] <sil2100> So I have now the source package that generated the selected binary package
[10:47] <sil2100> But now, on that source_package_publishing_history when I call getPublishedBinaries() to fetch ALL the binaries it generates (besides the one I queried for), it returns an empty set
[10:47] <sil2100> No binaries
[10:47] <sil2100> Even though if I do a query directly for the source package in the archive, I see all the binaries there
[10:48] <sil2100> Just not when the source_package_publishing_history object is returned through getLatestSourcePublication()
[10:48] <sil2100> Does anyone know why?
[10:52] <cjwatson> SPPH.getPublishedBinaries only gives you active binary publications
[10:52] <cjwatson> So if they've been e.g. superseded it won't return them
[10:53] <cjwatson> In fact this is documented: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#source_package_publishing_history-getPublishedBinaries
[10:56] <cjwatson> This is certainly an annoyance.  It might be nice if there were an option to pass active_binaries_only=False down through SPPH.getPublishedBinaries -> PublishingSet.getBinaryPublicationsForSources -> PublishingSet._getSourceBinaryJoinForSources
[10:57] <sil2100> Ok, yes, but the strange thing is that when I fetch the SPPH for the selected source and do getPublishedBinaries I get all the requested binaries, but when I do the very same thing on the SPPH that's returned by getLatestSourcePublication() I get 0
[10:57] <cjwatson> Are you sure it's the same SPPH?  It must not be.
[10:57] <cjwatson> Because getPublishedBinaries doesn't know how you got the SPPH in question.
[10:58] <cjwatson> Compare .self_link
[10:59] <sil2100> Here's what I did in an lp-shell session (I cut out the unnecessary bits)
[10:59] <sil2100> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16316937/
[11:00] <sil2100> So I make sure I get the SPPH for the source that has the same name and version as the one returned through getLatestSourcePublication()
[11:02] <sil2100> If they're not the same SPPH then I guess they should? As both queries should lead to the same thing I suppose?
[11:35] <cjwatson> sil2100: and what's src2[0]?
[11:36] <sil2100> It's the result of ppa.getPublishedSources() with the same source name and version as the one I got from going through BPPH->SPPH
[11:37] <sil2100> ppa.getPublishedSources(source_name="account-plugins", version="0.12+15.04.20160126-0ubuntu1", exact_match=True) <- both the name and version are exactly the same as what I got from the SPPH in the earlier steps, the one that had 0 binaries published
[11:37] <sil2100> And suddenly it has 96 binaries
[11:37] <cjwatson> sil2100: I'm trying to get you to look at src2[0]
[11:37] <cjwatson> sil2100: Compare it with src
[11:38] <sil2100> Oh
[11:38] <cjwatson> sil2100: The actual link, not its contents
[11:38] <sil2100> Ooooh
[11:38] <sil2100> Ah, I get it now
[11:38] <cjwatson> sil2100: So it matters here whether you're looking at the archive where it was originally built, or the one it's now published in
[11:38] <sil2100> Damn, the SPPH one is the first build that resulted in the binaries, which is already deleted from the silo PPA
[11:39] <sil2100> Yeah, all makes sense now
[11:39] <sil2100> Thanks, this does complicate the logic of my scripts, but at least I know why I was getting these different results
[11:39] <sil2100> :)
[17:01] <sinzui> help.launchpad.net is being spammed. Someone also took my edit away so I cannot delete the spam https://help.launchpad.net/Norton%20care%20@@!1844-8O1-3966*!!!!**Norton%20phone%20Number%20uSa%20HELP%20desk%20360%20customer%20care%20number,Norton


[00:30] <Psi-Jack> My gawd, how long can it take to make a Raid5 array of only 3 drives? heh
[00:30] <Psi-Jack> Playing with FreeNAS, and made it build a Raid5 softraid just to see how it works.
[00:49] <ScottK> lamont: No idea.
[01:11] <slangasek> are there UEC images available yet that are candidates for inclusion in alpha 5?
[01:16] <wfiuewfew> Hi---does ubuntu server 9.04 come pre-configured with a firewall, or do I need to configure one manually
[02:23] <Damm> is there a good question to ping about Ubuntu Karmic Kernels missing the virtio stuff?
[02:25] <Damm> guess i'll boot into a known working version of the kernel
[02:25] <Damm> and file a bug
[02:50] <twb> "IvAin Arce, Pablo HernAin Jorge, Alejandro Pablo Rodriguez, MartAn Coco, Alberto SoliAto Testa and Pablo Annetta discovered that Dnsmasq [...]"
[02:50] <twb> Someone forget to use UTF-8?
[02:50] <twb> (From USN 827-1)
[03:18] <MTeck> I was wondering how I could get rid of these errors. They're starting to get annoying. http://paste.ubuntu.com/263520/
[03:19] <twb> MTeck: where are those messages appearing, and what is generating them?
[03:19] <twb> Seems like you're using exim4
[03:19] <ScottK> Some of them are exim generated.
[03:20] <ScottK> If the logs are annoying use logwatch and don't read logs directly.
[03:20] <twb> logwatch is awesome
[03:21] <MTeck> That's logwatch I though
[03:21] <jmarsden> MTeck: Or you could ask about what causes them in #exim
[03:21] <twb> Probably this channel is just postfix fanboys
[03:21] <MTeck> yup - that one's logwatch
[03:21] <MTeck> I like the guys in this channel
[03:22] <MTeck> it's in the #ubuntu space
[03:22] <ScottK> Exim4 probably ships with a logwatch file that has a regex in it for the exim logs.
[03:22] <ScottK> You'd need to tune that to get rid of more exim stuff.
[03:23] <MTeck> It's not them being there that bothers me - it's why they're there
[03:23] <MTeck> no mail should come into this system
[03:23] <ScottK> twb: Actually one of the two people primarily responsible for exim4 beingin Main in Ubuntu is in this channel.
[03:23] <twb> Oh sorry, I meant logcheck.
[03:23] <twb> logwatch is for people who enjoy unknown log entries being silently ignored instead of red-flagged
[03:23] <jmarsden> There is some message or other trying to go OUT of your system that isn't making it, I think... but someone in #exim should have a better idea about that than I do.
[03:23] <ScottK> So it's not all Postfix fans.
[03:23] <twb> ScottK: ah, I didn't know it WAS in main :-)
[03:24] <MTeck> I use logwatch and logcheck
[03:24] <MTeck> check is nightly and watch is weekly
[03:25] <MTeck> so - how would I make exim only listen locally on 25?
[03:25] <twb> MTeck: surely that's the default?
[03:25] <ScottK> Well you'd needone of the exim people for that.
[03:26] <ScottK> twb: Not likely.
[03:26] <ScottK> MTA should listen on port 25.  That's what they do.
[03:27] <MTeck> so I need iptables?
[03:28] <twb> ScottK: I was just thinking in general Debian packages avoid listening to the world by default
[03:29] <ScottK> twb: Not MTA packages.
[03:29] <twb> Fair enough
[03:29] <ScottK> Accepting mail and listening on the port are two different things.
[03:29] <ScottK> For example, the postfix package listens on port 25, but won't accept mail for any domain without configuration.
[03:29] <MTeck> I just want the system to send email without being a butt head about it
[03:39] <jmarsden> MTeck: Then use ssmtp not exim4 :)    BTW to reconfigure what interfaces exim4 listens on, do  sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
[03:44] <twb> I have had bad experiences with ssmtp and nullmailer.
[03:44] <twb> I currently use msmtp, and it has worked MUCH better for me.
[03:44] <ScottK> iptables is another option.
[03:45] <twb> ScottK: that's kinda a bludgeon-into-submission approach, though
[03:45] <ScottK> Sure.
[03:50] <jmarsden> twb: Did you file bugs against ssmtp and nullmailer, so the issues can be addressed?
[03:55] <twb> jmarsden: I can't remember, this was a long time ago
[03:56] <MTeck> jmarsden: ok - almost done w/ homework and I'll try out msmtp - will web applications automatically use it instead? that's where most of the mail comes from
[03:56] <jmarsden> OK.  I've not had issues with it, so I was going to check uo on them.
[03:56] <twb> The problem was ssmtp IIRC was some kind of assumption about a hostname and mailname matching, because somehow bounce messages were ending up on twb@<my ISP> because my local username was twb, though my email address was not-twb@<my ISP>
[03:56] <twb> ...or something like that.
[03:57] <twb> The problem with nullmailer was more along the lines of panic messages getting stuck in its queue, on machines that nobody looked at for months, so nobody noticed they had exploded.
[03:58] <twb> I like that msmtp doesn't have a local queue -- it will simply not exit until the remote end has either accepted the message for relay, or told it to FOAD
[03:59] <jmarsden> MTeck: If they open port localhost 25, your web apps will use any working MTA.  If they exec a sendmail program, you may have a little configuring to do.
[04:00] <twb> Anything Provides: mail-transport-agent should have a standard /usr/sbin/sendmail interface...
[04:00] <MTeck> It's php so I'll hope it'll just work
[04:00] <twb> haha
[04:01] <giovani> php will use a sendmail app
[04:01] <giovani> so "just work" not so much
[04:01] <giovani> unless you have a drop-in sendmail replacement
[04:01] <MTeck> oh
[04:02] <twb> Debian Policy requires MTA packages to provide a drop-in sendmail replacement!
[04:05] <jmarsden> dpkg -L msmtp | grep sendmail does not seem to reveal a /usr/bin/sendmail being installed... it is described as an SMTP client, not an MTA.
[04:06] <jmarsden> That is why I think some configuration might be needed if you pick msmtp, which is what MTeck said he was about to try out.
[04:06] <twb> jmarsden: msmtp-mta is a separate package
[04:07] <twb> It just symlinks /usr/sbin/sendmail to /usr/bin/msmtp
[04:07] <twb> I think the recent versions also use debconf to autogenerate /etc/msmtprc.
[04:08] <twb> Having said all that, msmtp is certainly for light deployments, not for e.g. a 256-user shell server.
[05:15] <lamont> ScottK: -2 uploaded to debian, btw
[05:17] <ScottK> lamont: OK.  My upload saved having to deal with Launchpad once, so I'd call it a win.
[05:25] <lamont> heh - yeah, no worries
[05:28] <lamont> bug 422968 is proof that maintainers kind of assume that you won't completely stray from their stock config.  sigh
[05:31] <twb> Yay for dnsmasq
[05:32] <lamont> twb: you're pegging the sarcasm meter here...
[05:32] <twb> HHOS
[05:33] <lamont> ??
[05:34] <twb> !google HHOS site:catb.org
[05:36] <lamont> heh
[06:49] <jmarsden> http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/ha-ha-only-serious.html
[07:04] <MTeck> So... any reason dd would be running on my server?
[07:05] <MTeck> a server that is only a virtual machine (linode)
[07:06] <MTeck> that was just kind of alarming..
[07:08] <MTeck> klogd is taking up 100% cpu too....
[07:16] <MTeck> sleep - time - please hilight me with any answers and I'll catch up when the sun comes up.
[07:16] <MTeck> thanks
[07:17] <henkjan> MTeck: http://fixunix.com/ubuntu/551193-why-there-dd-process-running-daemon.html
[07:27] <twb> I remember sending esr a grumble email when his domain changed without warning from tuxfoo.net to catb.org
[07:27] <twb> That's going back a way
[10:34] <un|matrix> hi... how do i block an IP address with iptables on a router?
[10:36] <jmarsden> How did you set up the current set of iptables rules on that same router?
[10:39] <jmarsden> Basically you create a rule to match that IP as a source address and drop traffic that matches it.  Then you add it to whatever config file your current routing setup uses.  There are too many variables to give you a "cut and paste" answer.
[10:42] <un|matrix> i've tried iptables -A OUTPUT -d $address -j DROP
[10:42] <un|matrix> but this only bans it on the actual router
[10:42] <un|matrix> the nat clients can still ping it
[10:43] <jmarsden> Sounds like you added it to the wrong table?
[10:44] <un|matrix> filter?
[10:44] <un|matrix> where should i add it to? mangle?
[10:46] <jmarsden> Probably FORWARD.  Read the docs/tutorials on iptables and you'll find diagrams explaining what each table is for.  Such as at http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/chunkyhtml/c962.html
[10:47] <un|matrix> i'm also dropping it in both directions in FORWARD, but it can still be pinged
[10:48] <un|matrix> is the rule order important?
[10:48] <jmarsden> Yes.
[10:49] <un|matrix> so if i have a rule that lets everything through
[10:49] <un|matrix> and add a rule that bans a certain thing after it
[10:49] <un|matrix> would it still get thru?
[10:50] <un|matrix> damn
[10:50] <un|matrix> yeah
[10:50] <un|matrix> that was it
[10:50] <jmarsden> Yes.
[10:50] <un|matrix> x_x
[10:50] <un|matrix> well thank you very much, these few basic details were missing in my iptables knowledge
[10:50] <jmarsden> No problem.
[13:20] <MTeck> henkjan: thanks
[13:38] <Kjartan2> Hello, I'm having issues with my pure-ftpd-server. I have created users and can access them from the machine itself. But I cannot access them from any other machine. I can however access the apache server from any machine. Any tips?
[13:42] <bunny> does anyone know what partitioning utilities are available from the "execute a shell" environment of the server install cd?
[13:43] <Kjartan2> fdisk?
[13:48] <bunny> !bugs
[14:37] <Kjartan2> Hello, I'm having issues with my pure-ftpd-server. I have created users and can access them from the machine itself. But I cannot access them from any other machine. I can however access the apache server from any machine. Any tips? My first time setting up a text-only server.
[14:46] <MTeck> Kjartan2: did you check logs?
[14:49] <Kjartan2> in /var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log? That log is empty
[14:50] <MTeck> Kjartan2: Can other systems get to the server at all?
[14:50] <MTeck> Enable ufw without allowing the two ports for ftp?
[14:51] <Kjartan2> As said, I can access the webserver fine. Perhaps it's apparmor if that's installed be default.
[14:51] <Kjartan2> Trying to learn this all at once. ^^
[14:52] <Boohbah> Kjartan2: is the ftp server listening on a public IP? check with netstat
[14:53] <jdstrand> there is no default apparmor protection for pure-ftpd-server. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/AppArmorProfiles
[14:53] <jdstrand> so there is no need to change apparmor
[14:55] <Kjartan2> Oh, I don't have to mess with apparmor?
[14:55] <Kjartan2> Boohbah: There's nothing with pure-ftpd in netstat
[14:55] <Kjartan2> Only connection open is to here, freenode.
[14:55] <Boohbah> really, even with netstat -anp ?
[14:56] <jdstrand> Kjartan2: I'm just saying that apparmor isn't getting in the way of pure-ftpd unless you specifically added an apparmor profile for it
[14:56] <Boohbah> sorry i should have specified flags, netstat won't show all connections by default
[14:58] <Twink> What's the best solution for getting nagios3 installed on 8.04?  Is it to download/compile from source, use a debian source, or any other way?
[14:58] <Kjartan2> jdstrand: Ah ok, so since there is no DENY it's default ALLOW?
[14:58] <Kjartan2> Boohbah: *:21 is on listen
[14:59] <MadCoder_> Hi! Could anyone help me with freenx setup?
[14:59] <MadCoder_> if any... I need to use client's com-port
[14:59] <Twink> MadCoder_: Don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
[15:00] <jdstrand> Kjartan2: apparmor usage in Ubuntu application specific. if a profile is not defined for a binary, the binary is unconfined.
[15:01] <Boohbah> Twink: i would install from source... no need to worry about breaking your apt db :)
[15:02] <MadCoder_> How to use COM1 on client from freenx session?
[15:02] <Twink> Boohbah: From nagios source?
[15:03] <Twink> Boohbah: Thanks - I'll do that, and sorry for my dumb reply just a second ago!
[15:24] <jdstrand> sommer: hi! I added a couple of features to ufw that you may want to add the server guide for 9.10
[15:24] <jdstrand> sommer: a) filtering by interface, b) egress filtering and c) the ufw-framework.8 man page
[15:25] <jdstrand> sommer: as always, it is in the man page and I'm available for questions/feedback :)
[15:45] <sommer> jdstrand: thanks that's awesome... I'll hopefully be able to get to that today or tomorrow
[15:47] <jdstrand> sommer: thanks! :)
[15:56] <VSpike> Is there a way to install saned on ubuntu server without pulling in the whole of xorg?
[15:58] <Sam-I-Am> hey folks...
[15:58] <Sam-I-Am> got an interesting issue with karmic
[15:58] <Sam-I-Am> (and it affects server)
[15:58] <Sam-I-Am> as soon as i change nsswitch.conf to use ldap for passwd, su and sudo break
[15:58] <Sam-I-Am> as in, unusable.
[15:59] <VSpike> aha - install sane-utils, not sane
[15:59] <Sam-I-Am> brought this up yesterday as something i found in karmic desktop, but its apparent in server too
[16:00] <alvin> VSpike: indeed
[16:01] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: you around?
[16:01] <smoser> mathiaz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.milestone=12713
[16:02] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: hey
[16:02] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: got a problem i'd like to run by you before filing a bug... maybe its some policy thing i'm missing in karmic.
[16:03] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: sure - go ahead
[16:03] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: as soon as i change the 'passwd' field in nsswitch.conf to point to ldap, sudo and su quit working completely.
[16:04] <Sam-I-Am> sudo returns 'sudo: setreuid(ROOT_UID, user_uid): operation not permitted" and su returns "setgid: operation not permitted"
[16:04] <Sam-I-Am> returning the system to files only fixes the problem
[16:04] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: was it working on jaunty?
[16:04] <Sam-I-Am> if i havent already enabled root to get back into the system, its competely hosed
[16:04] <Sam-I-Am> yes, works fine
[16:04] <Sam-I-Am> verified that yesterday
[16:04] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: seems like a regression then
[16:05] <Sam-I-Am> i cant even figure out whats breaking... its a system call of some sort thats getting blocked... figured it might be some sort of new policy thing maybe.
[16:05] <Sam-I-Am> like apparmor, only worse.
[16:05] <Sam-I-Am> what package would i post this bug with?
[16:05] <Sam-I-Am> since it seems to be more of a core problem
[16:10] <Sam-I-Am> seems 'ldap files' does not work but 'files ldap' does
[16:11] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: seems like an issue with the nss system - libc then?
[16:11] <orudie> question. i followed this tutorial to set up mail filters for postfix/dovecot https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html and it had been working find for almost a year. However ClamAV seem to use a lot of memory, so I was wondering if it is wise to uninstall it , and how should i actually go about safely uninstalling it
[16:13] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: yeah... nsswitch.conf is part of base-files
[16:13] <Sam-I-Am> hard to say whats going on here
[16:13] <Sam-I-Am> it seems rather grave at any rate
[16:15] <VSpike> alvin: have you used saned?  I'm just trying to figure out, if I set up xinetd to use saned, do I also need to edit /etc/default/saned to start saned?
[16:17] <alvin> VSpike: yes, a long time ago. It worked, but I don't remember using xinetd. Take a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo There is a section about setting up a scanner server in Ubuntu 9.04
[16:17] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: even though nsswitch.conf is part of base-file, it's the libc package that takes care of the nss subsystem (IIRC)
[16:18] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: yeah, i'll file against glibc
[16:18] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: another problem... sudo-ldap in karmic doesn't work with TLS.  looks like another gnutls problem.
[16:18] <orudie> is there a way for me to somehow be connected to irc from screen , but use windows client like xchat to connect to my screen then irc?
[16:19] <Sam-I-Am> its not a 'main' package, but its definitely something people use... should probably become part of 'main' someday
[16:19] <Sam-I-Am> orudie: screen doesnt do gui stuff
[16:19] <Sam-I-Am> it'd be cool if there was a way to 'screen' x11 stuff...
[16:20] <alvin> Sam-I-Am: you can try Quassel
[16:20] <orudie> Sam-I-Am-> what about screen proxy ?
[16:20] <VSpike> It seems a bit odd that the package doesn't add the saned user to the scanner group
[16:20] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: right - we've discussed sudo-ldap - IIRC it should just be merged with sudo
[16:21] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: there isn't any reason to have two packages IIRC
[16:21] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[16:21] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: but I would double-check this
[16:21] <alvin> orudie: Oops, that message was for you. (Quassel can do that)
[16:21] <Sam-I-Am> i think its actually libldap doing the tls connection, not sudo itself... going to try my openssl-bound libldap packages, see what happens.  i'm guessing this is YAGB :)
[16:22] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: it may well be the case - report it then ;)
[16:22] <mathiaz> Sam-I-Am: thanks for testing karmic!
[16:22] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, just going to get to the bottom of it first
[16:23] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully these will get looked at before release... they seem really bad... well, the su/sudo one at least.
[16:23] <Sam-I-Am> if you dont know about it, you're locked out of your system
[16:52] <Sam-I-Am> mathiaz: bug 423252
[16:53] <Claw6> is there a shell app to display whole network utilization?
[16:54] <Claw6> such as htop for cpu and mem?
[16:54] <Sam-I-Am> ntop!
[16:55] <giovani> Claw6: this of course only reflects usage on that server, or through that server, in the case that it's a router/firewall
[16:55] <Sam-I-Am> not quite...
[16:55] <aubre> nmon?
[16:55] <Sam-I-Am> there is iftop
[16:55] <Sam-I-Am> but its still only host-based
[16:56] <Sam-I-Am> you can use snmp to query your switches and aggregate i guess...
[16:56] <aubre> nmon was only recently open sourced
[16:56] <aubre> so I am sure it isn't in the distro yet
[16:56] <giovani> yeah, I don't know what "whole network utilization" really entails
[17:07] <Claw6> i need a solution that would act like "rsync -az<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/var/www
[17:08] <Claw6> i just want to download all files from a external ftp for a local backup
[17:08] <Claw6> and then do a cronjob for that
[17:13]  * cabbey waves at smoser
[17:13] <smoser> hello to cabbey from the other side
[17:14] <cabbey> looks like I might become a customer of yours soon :)
[17:55] <soren> jdstrand: I was just talking to danpb over in #virt on OFTC (the libvirt channel), and he said you should probably S/GPL/LGPL/ your apparmour stuff. Do you have any idea when you'll be able to upstream it?
[17:56] <orudie> how can i check the size of contents of a directory ?
[17:56] <soren> orudie: du
[17:56] <jdstrand> soren: the files are GPLd in the karmic patches
[17:56] <jdstrand> soren: I am waiting on a kernel fix in karmic to get uploaded
[17:57] <jdstrand> soren: then I can say-- look in karmic, it works!
[17:57] <jdstrand> soren: I haven't been able to say that yet
[17:57] <soren> jdstrand: libvirt is LGPL. They're unlikely to accept stuff that will force the rest of the project to go GPL.
[17:58] <jdstrand> soren: I originally had it LGPL'd, but someone (ahem, kees ;) recommended I do GPL 3
[17:58] <soren> jdstrand: Maybe you can have a quick chat with danpb yourself?
[17:58] <jdstrand> soren: but the kernel patches are committed, just waiting on alpha freeze
[18:00] <orudie> soren-> so with du, the numder displayed at the buttom is in bytes or kylobytes ?
[18:00] <soren> orudie: kilobytes.
[18:05] <cabbey> orudie: the -h option will translate it to "human readable" values like "22.5G"
[18:06] <orudie> cabbey-> thanks
[18:07] <orudie> how to search withing man pages ?
[18:08] <sub> forward slash
[18:08] <sub> then type your search terms and press enter
[18:11] <guntbert> orudie: man uses your default "pager", usually "less", so "man less" will tell you more :-) (no pun intended)
[18:17] <kees> jdstrand: oops, I was just voicing the "canonical default license".  :P
[18:20] <jdstrand> kees: no worries
[18:20] <jdstrand> kees: just a light jab. I looked at it and tossed a coin on upstream's licensing intent
[18:20] <jdstrand> kees: I lost :)
[18:23] <orudie> how do you generate an ssh key ?
[18:24] <KillMeNow> what are you generating it for?
[18:24] <KillMeNow> apache or mail?
[18:25] <mushroomblue> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[18:25] <mushroomblue> there you go
[18:28] <orudie> mushroomblue-> so the key should be generated on the computer that i am connecting from
[18:28] <orudie> right ?
[18:28] <kees> jdstrand: heh
[18:29] <pmatulis> orudie: on the client you generate a key-pair.  you then place the public part on the server
[18:29] <orudie> ok
[18:29] <guntbert> orudie: yes, because (at least in theory) your private key should never be sent over a network
[18:30] <KillMeNow> protect that private key like you do YOUR privates!
[18:30] <guntbert> KillMeNow: but you need not carry it with you :-)
[18:43] <KillMeNow> LOL true that Guntbert
[18:43] <KillMeNow> course, my wife keeps mine on the night stand next to the bed
[18:43] <KillMeNow> get married, and they become detachable
[18:43] <guntbert> KillMeNow: :-)
[18:43] <mushroomblue> pfft.
[18:44] <mushroomblue> you must've married an american woman. :)
[18:44] <KillMeNow> yes
[18:44] <KillMeNow> i did
[18:46] <mushroomblue> Canadian women let you keep them attached. :)
[19:03] <orudie> how to make file executable ?
[19:05] <giovani> orudie: chmod +x filename
[19:20] <orudie> how to rename screen windows ?
[19:23] <PhotoJim> orudie: control-A "
[19:23] <PhotoJim> orudie: if you mean the shell app "screen"
[19:29] <orudie> how would i go about installing irssi ?
[19:29] <orudie> apt-get install irssi ?
[19:37] <giovani> orudie: yes ...
[19:37] <giovani> if you installed screen, I imagine you know how apt-get works :)
[19:38] <orudie> hey i havent touched shell if a few months :)
[19:38] <orudie> just have to get some stuff done right now
[19:39] <giovani> it would probably be useful for you to read the ubuntu server guide to get comfortable with the command line
[19:45] <orudie> what is the best way to copy paste an additionaly pub key into authorized_keys ?
[19:49] <giovani> you don't copy-paste
[19:49] <giovani> you use cat >>
[19:49] <giovani> i.e. cat key.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys
[19:49] <giovani> >> appends to the file on the right
[19:50] <thowland> make sure you use 2 >>
[19:50] <giovani> you mean 2 ">"
[19:50] <giovani> 1 ">>"
[19:50] <thowland> or you'll overwrite your existing
[19:50] <giovani> sure, which shouldn't be the end of the world, since public keys should be all over
[19:50] <giovani> but that's why I wrote it explicitly that way twice
[20:37] <ycy> i want that a special package will never be upgraded. how can I do this?
[20:37] <genii> !pinning
[20:38]  * genii sips
[20:38] <ycy> thanks
[20:38] <genii> np
[20:40] <orudie> i'm looking at how to set up irssi proxy to connect to with a remote client on this tutorial, and kinda stuck at the last step http://pthree.org/2007/01/06/irssi-proxy/
[20:40] <orudie> giovani-> maybe you can help me one more time and hopefully last time today
[20:40] <orudie> :)
[20:46] <ahe> i just want to create development systems with mysql unattended and so i want to seed the mysql passwort with a default or empty password
[20:46] <ahe> anyone knows how to do that?
[20:47] <ahe> debconf-get-selections gives me the right settings of the type password, but is it even possible to specify a value here?
[20:48] <thowland> ahe: maybe you'd do better to do a system image? (like ghost)- then you can set up a full system and clone it for each development system
[20:51] <ahe> thowland: unfortunately this is not an option since i want to find a way to build such systems with deb packages
[20:52] <thowland> ahe: maybe make a custom deb for mysql-server, and change the post-install script? That's where it's asking for the password.
[20:55] <ahe> actually i want to find a way to do this without changing any packages because i want to be able to get all kinds of server packages and build a virtual appliance by only building a deb and providing a seed file
[20:55] <ahe> so i just want to reuse the existing server packages
[20:56] <ahe> i already have a tool that applies the seedfile and installs the package afterward
[21:00] <orudie> where is irssi config file is located when installing from the binary in Ubuntu, and whats it called ?
[21:09] <sandstrom> When will php 5.3 be in an ubuntu server edition?
[21:18] <ahe> sandstrom: it's not in karmic so i guess it will be in karmic + 1
[21:28] <mdz> ttx_, hi
[21:28] <ttx_> mdz: hey
[21:28] <mdz> ttx_, I'm back online after my flight. how are things going with alpha 5?
[21:29] <ttx_> mdz: we are still blocked in some eucalyptus new classloading errors. soren is expected to drop a new version in 30 min. and respin the ISO so that we can spend the rest of the day testing
[21:33] <mdz> ttx_, there is not very much day left :-/
[21:34] <mdz> ttx_, have you been able to test the ISO apart from eucalyptus?
[21:34] <stefan___> e
[21:34] <ttx_> mdz: mathiaz is on that
[21:38] <ttx_> mdz: it's in progress, no issue so far
[21:43] <mdz> ttx_, I think it would be a good idea for you to join #ubuntu-release to coordinate with the release team
[21:51] <ttx_> mdz: done
[21:59] <giovani> orudie: by "the last step" do you mean ssh tunneling?