[00:32] <superm1> if hendriski comes back, point him at our -dev channel
[00:32] <superm1> and we can get him into packaging mythpython
[01:32] <Tracy_Home> anyone gotten a kworld plustv dvb (atsc 115) card to work?
[01:39] <Tracy_Home> I followed what it said to do in mythtv and its being detected but I'm having issues configuring it
[02:32] <Tracy_Home> hey I'm getting this when I try to set up my kworld atsc 115 card in the input connections, could not open '0' to probe its input
[02:32] <Tracy_Home> how can I fix that?
[02:34] <hitman936> hi can any one tell me can i load mythbuntu to a flash drive and boot from it
[02:35] <foxbuntu> hitman936, the filesystem for flashdrives is not included
[02:36] <Tracy_Home> hitman why don't you just use the mythbuntu live cd?
[02:38] <hitman936> i have install it to my  harddrive  all ready i just wanted to know that all if i could install it on the flash drive thanks
[02:43] <hitman936> having  a problem with the share folders on the 32bit  the other pc do not see the share folder but if i install the 64bit the pc see the share folders but the sound plays up
[02:49] <williammanda> hey guys
[02:50] <williammanda> can I rip a recorded dvd in mythtv (libdvdcss2 is installed)?
[02:56] <Tracy_Home> Does anyone know how to fix this error in the input connections? (Could not open '0' tp [rpbe ots om[its.)
[02:56] <Tracy_Home> sorry meant (Could not open '0' to probe its inputs.)
[03:06] <Sphagnum> williammanda, probably, but I don't know how offhand
[03:06] <Tari> Tracy_Home, where do you get this error?
[03:11] <Tracy_Home> in the inputs setup screen
[03:12] <Tari> what card do you have?
[03:12] <Tracy_Home> my card is being detected by I'm not sure I'm setting it up right
[03:12] <Tracy_Home> I've got a Kworld ATSC 115
[03:12] <Tracy_Home> I followed the wiki to allow it to show up
[03:12] <Tracy_Home> and its being detected but I couldn't find anything on setting it up
[03:15] <Tari> so it's detected and has a device, but mythtv-setup chokes on it?
[03:16] <Tracy_Home> well I don't know, not sure I'm setting the settings right
[03:16] <Tracy_Home> I've never set one up before
[03:16] <Tracy_Home> I don't mind doing the reading if there's a how to that can explain the settings screen for the backend
[03:18] <Tracy_Home> I've got a feeling that I'm missing a small but vital bit of info on how to configure the settings
[03:19] <Tari> I don't really know
[03:20] <Tari> I've only ever set up an IVTV card, and that was a snap
[03:20] <Tari> does 'ls /dev | grep video' return anything?
[03:22] <Tracy_Home> it returns video0
[03:25] <Tari> so yes, everything's fine kernel-wise
[03:26] <Tari> I don't know what to tell you
[03:26] <Tari> 'good luck figuring it out'?
[03:26] <Tari> since I don't know
[03:26] <Tracy_Home> *lol* thats ok, do you know of any how to's on doing the settings for the backend and configuring the tv card?
[03:27] <Tari> this might help: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-setup
[03:28] <Tracy_Home> thanks!
[03:29] <Tari> no problem
[03:55] <williammanda> hey again
[03:56] <williammanda> read the wiki for ripping a dvd....
[03:56] <williammanda> get to the point to start the rip.....press 0 to start....
[03:57] <williammanda> says"no jobs and nothing else to do"
[03:57] <williammanda> it didn't even try to record the dvd
[03:58] <Tari> you selected the desired .VOB files?
[03:58] <williammanda> yes
[03:58] <williammanda> "x" in the box
[04:38] <TheShadow> Alright I have two problems first my guide isn't loading and two the video seems to be jittery and skipping a lot
[04:38] <TheShadow> I've tried to look in the logs for a reason but I can't. and this just started after I did an update
[04:38] <TheShadow> Can anyone give me a hand?
[04:41] <spence> i'm trying to add a new dvb to my system, but it requires a new v4l-dvb-kernel. when i run "make" i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46195/
[04:41] <spence> any ideas what this error means and how to remedy the issue?
[05:08] <wilberfan> is it possible to get the mythbrowser to run flash (so I can watch, for example, google video, youtube, etc....?
[05:08] <wilberfan> i've been trying to install xubuntu-restricted-extras....but medibuntu might be down...?
[05:38] <JThundley> my mythbrowser can't even view some images, good luck
[05:42] <superm1> i just use my wii instead
[06:43] <tazgodx> i wish i had a wii
[07:50] <DiggThis> please help
[07:50] <DiggThis> frontend not loading anymore?
[07:54] <DiggThis> anyone??
[07:54] <JThundley> it loads
[07:54] <DiggThis> mine doesn't load anymore
[07:55] <JThundley> why not?
[07:56] <DiggThis> upgraded to latest vid driver
[07:57] <JThundley> have you tried restarting X?
[07:58] <DiggThis> how do that?
[07:59] <DiggThis> looks like noone can help
[07:59] <JThundley> log out, there might be an option for you to leave before getting any help
[07:59] <JThundley> douche
[08:29] <directhex> the playstation generation expect immediate gratification
[08:30] <directhex> he didn't get an exact answer to his completely vague question (i guess nvidia.com set him up the bomb) within 10 minutes, so left. he'll probably now install a pirate copy of winmce, and talk about how useless linux is on forums, especially the support
[09:02] <michaellamothe> superm1: Are you up?
[09:53] <MythbuntuGuest29> Hello all
[09:54] <MythbuntuGuest29> i have a problem with the ati rf remote, is there someone who can help me?
[09:58] <MythbuntuGuest29> is there some one active, who want to speak with me?
[13:12] <dorto> mythbuntu setup is allowing selection from only select channel frequencies - US, Japan, China, Australia etc. My country India is not on the list, what should I select?
[13:14] <dorto> I am talking about: Globar Backend Setup -> Channel Frequency Tablet
[13:14] <dorto> *Table
[13:15] <dorto> I am using WinTV-PVR--500MCE
[13:52] <dorto> I can watch tv alright in MediaPorta/Windows but can't in mythubuntu. anybody wants to help?
[13:53] <dorto> my card is detected correctly by the setup but how to make it scan for the channels (PAL B, India)
[14:00] <levander> I've loaded the xfs kernel module, and I'm going to create a xfs formatted partition in gparted.  But, gparted doesn't give me an xfs option in the filesystem choices.  Anyone know how to get gparted to recognize xfs as an option?
[14:28] <levander> I had to install xfsprogs and xfsdump, fixed now.
[14:36] <rhpot1991> what was the problem?
[16:26] <frink_> hmm
[16:29] <new2linx> anyone help with mythweb stating "2005_20071127190000.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory." Yet it exists on the slave backend/frontend?
[16:29] <JThundley> I had that problem, my mythbackend was screwed up because /dev/video0 got moved
[16:29] <JThundley> I was testing out a webcam
[16:29] <new2linx> and yes the ip of the slave backend/frontend is set to it's own static ip address. is there a log file for mythweb that I can view to see what the error is?
[16:30] <rhpot1991> check the perms on that directory
[16:30] <JThundley> wait, the backend/frontend are the same machine but you're using a real IP address?
[16:30] <JThundley> you should probably be using loopback, <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:31] <new2linx> well /dev/video0 is still there so I don't believe that's the issue. the slave be/fe is a pvr-500 on xubuntu gutsy running mythbuntu control center. the master backend/frontend is running feisty with mythtv 20.0-fixes from the repo's.
[16:31] <new2linx> no, the master backend has to have it's static ip for others to connect to it.
[16:32] <new2linx> the perms are folder is owned by mythtv:mythtv as well as all the recordings.
[16:32] <rhpot1991> I think mythweb has a different folder though
[16:32] <rhpot1991> let me check mine
[16:33] <new2linx> don't think so.
[16:33] <new2linx> actually you were right, my /var/lib/mythtv folder which has recordings and video in it was owned by me instead of mythtv. let me try it now.
[16:33] <rhpot1991> check /var/www/mythweb/
[16:34] <rhpot1991> make sure recordings points to the right spot
[16:35] <new2linx> mythweb only is installed on the master backend/frontend so there is no /var/www/mythtv folder on the slave backend/frontend.
[16:36] <rhpot1991> ln -s /directory/where/recordings/are/ recordings
[16:36] <rhpot1991> have t sudo rm -rf recordings first
[16:36] <rhpot1991> to get rid of the link
[16:36] <new2linx> and yes, the master be/fe /var/www/mythweb/recordings does point to the correct location. I can access all my recordings that are stored on the master be/fe but not the recordings on the slave be/fe
[16:37] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure mythweb can handle that
[16:37] <new2linx> rhpot1991: there's already a symlink there, thanks though
[16:37] <rhpot1991> might have to setup some sort of nfs share
[16:37] <new2linx> REALLY? mythweb access the database doesn't it?
[16:37] <rhpot1991> and have your box with mythweb able to see the recordings
[16:37] <new2linx> the database should have the recordings location which is on the slave be/fe.
[16:37] <rhpot1991> well it can see in the db that they are somewhere, but I don't think wwwdata has access to the folder on the other backends
[16:38] <rhpot1991> let me check that on mine
[16:38] <new2linx> how can I view a mysql database entry for where this recording thinks it's located?
[16:38] <frink_> yo
[16:38] <rhpot1991> yep, same error
[16:39] <new2linx> REALLY? so you're saying that mythweb can't access files that are located on a slave be/fe?
[16:39] <rhpot1991> that is my belief
[16:39] <new2linx> huh.
[16:40] <frink_> even with nfsings ?
[16:40] <new2linx> how do you handle your slave and master recording storage?
[16:40] <rhpot1991> I have a lvm on each box
[16:40] <rhpot1991> so myth itself shares recordings
[16:40] <new2linx> so you do keep your recordings seperate on each machine then?
[16:40] <rhpot1991> but things like mythvideos I have a nfs share from one box to the other
[16:40] <rhpot1991> yep
[16:41] <rhpot1991> solution would be to use a nfs share and have them all in the same place, but you are gonna lose storage then
[16:42] <new2linx> i find this hard to believe that this hasn't been discussed before.
[16:42] <rhpot1991> it might be, I haven't looked into it
[16:42] <rhpot1991> I don't use mythweb for actually viewing video files, I could drive home and watch it quicker than it will stream
[16:43] <new2linx> that's a good point. I should just be using mythfrontend for viewing. I sure hope that works!
[16:44] <rhpot1991> ya that works fine
[16:44] <rhpot1991> provided its set up correctly
[16:47] <new2linx> yeap, I just ssh'd into my box, created a tunneled x11vnc session, started mythtvfrontend and tried the recording that failed in mythweb and sure enough it works.
[16:48] <rhpot1991> ya
[16:48] <new2linx> I'll have to check the mythtv mailing list about this issue. there's gotta a solution without losing storage space
[16:48] <rhpot1991> you should check out nx
[16:48] <rhpot1991> I prefer it over vnc
[16:48] <new2linx> thanks for the help. I tried nx but always had problems with using a passphrase for my secure ssh server
[16:49] <new2linx> gotta go. thanks for the help. I am actually at work right now. :-)  I should actually do some work
[16:49] <rhpot1991> heh, no problem
[16:49]  * rhpot1991 may also currently be at work
[17:06] <new2linx> rhpot1991: I am back, nx is just vnc tunneled through a secure ssh channel. isnt' it?
[17:09] <frink_> I thought it was more like a compressed X protocol through SSH.
[17:10] <frink_> ala DXPC
[17:10] <frink_> not just remote frame buffer
[17:10] <frink_> DXPC was cool, I ran it over 9k6 IP links back in like '95-6
[19:36] <datphysh> greetings
[19:44] <datphysh> hello.  Anyone hear feel like throwing me some input on a proposed setup?
[19:45] <rhpot1991> sure
[19:46] <datphysh> I'm trying to build a box that'll be capable of Off air (ATSC) HD timeshifting, as well as possibly having an HD-DVD or BuRay drive in it for playing on my plasma tv.
[19:46] <datphysh> My current plan has been:
[19:48] <datphysh> AMD x2 6400+ on an Asus M2N32-SLI board with 2 gigs of ram, an Nvidea geforce 7600 GS video card, everything running on Sata drives, and a pcHDTV (think that's the name) capture card
[19:48] <rhpot1991> unfortunately I don't do HD currently
[19:48] <directhex> you'd be better off with intel
[19:48] <rhpot1991> so I can't really give much input as far as that goes
[19:49] <directhex> but i suspect that spec is high enough for US (mpeg2) HD
[19:49] <datphysh> from the benchmarks I was reading, the research I was doing, Intel did have better performing chips that the AMD I've got, but they are also $600 (us dollars) in cost
[19:50] <datphysh> better performing "than" rather
[19:50] <datphysh> but otherwise, in rendering and encoding, this was the top of the AMD line, so I was hoping it'd be good enough
[19:52] <datphysh> but what about the Nvidia card?  I thought I read that the 8K series wasn't supporting Xv?  so will a 7600 Gs give me the performance I need for mpeg2?
[19:54] <directhex> under linux *any* nvidia card will behave the same. well, anything newer than geforce4
[19:54] <directhex> gf8, gf7, whatever
[19:57] <datphysh> ok, well thank you for your input
[20:13] <tgm4883> directhex, unless i'm missing something obvious, datphysh's specs are more than adaquate
[20:14] <directhex> tgm4883, hd h264 is a real bitch on any spec
[20:14] <directhex> tgm4883, as a pure floating-point process, i'd usually go for the cpu with twice the performance in that field
[20:14] <tgm4883> yep, i missed that part
[20:15] <tgm4883> your talking about his requirement for HD-dvd or bluray?
[20:19] <directhex> both are a bit nebulous, and less demanding than broadcast
[20:25] <spence> yes, check the logs for the pastebin of the fully functional script.... right around the "GOT IT!!!!" post if you search
[20:27] <spence> oops, not the post i wanted to make.... what would cause this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46195/
[21:29] <rhpot1991> so dvd menus work correctly for everyone with the internal player?
[21:29] <rhpot1991> s/so/do
[21:32] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no
[21:32] <tgm4883> i have some issues with some of my stored dvds
[21:32] <tgm4883> so i switched to xine
[21:32] <rhpot1991> I ripped a dvd to the hd as an iso to mess around
[21:33] <rhpot1991> original menus work fine
[21:33] <rhpot1991> if I go to a sub menu it automagically is playing something within that
[21:33] <rhpot1991> I see the menu flash up then video comes on
[21:33] <tgm4883> you rip with mythtv?
[21:33] <rhpot1991> I just tried from the actual dvd remotely, I could get to the submenu but it seemed to get stuck there as I had no control and video never came on
[21:33] <rhpot1991> yep
[21:34] <rhpot1991> a rip to xvid seemed to behave strangely too, forward skip was only skipping a second at a time, that might be some setting or something somewhere though, not sure
[21:35] <tgm4883> hmm
[21:35] <tgm4883> yea i rip outside of mythtv
[21:35] <rhpot1991> any reason why?
[21:35] <tgm4883> because I keep my dvd's on my fileserver, not my mythbox
[21:36] <tgm4883> i haven't messed with ripping it with mythtv, how much control do you have?
[21:36] <rhpot1991> you can choose what to rip
[21:36] <rhpot1991> sound options (ac3, etc)
[21:37] <rhpot1991> and video quality (iso, perfect (vob), excellent - medium(xvid))
[21:37] <tgm4883> hmm, nice
[21:37] <tgm4883> maybe i will try that then
[21:37] <rhpot1991> it works quite well
[21:37] <rhpot1991> takes a good 4 hours to rip on my box
[21:37] <tgm4883> as I have been having a few issues with my ripper
[21:37] <tgm4883> ouch
[21:37] <tgm4883> thats a long time
[21:37] <rhpot1991> but its not a quick process to begin with
[21:38] <tgm4883> takes me like 30 minutes
[21:38] <rhpot1991> compressing at all?
[21:38] <tgm4883> for a full rip
[21:38] <tgm4883> no
[21:38] <rhpot1991> thats why
[21:38] <rhpot1991> whats your cpu?
[21:38] <tgm4883> why compress?
[21:38] <rhpot1991> I was messing around
[21:38] <tgm4883> ah
[21:38] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure how long it took to make an iso
[21:38] <tgm4883> 1.6 C2D
[21:38] <rhpot1991> I normally do it then go to bed
[21:39] <rhpot1991> I'm running on an amd athlon xp 1900+
[21:39] <rhpot1991> so your cpu it a bit better than mine
[21:39] <rhpot1991> an "excelent" xvid rip came out to be 1.9gb
[21:40] <tgm4883> i used to rip to that, but HD space is just so cheap now
[21:40] <rhpot1991> while the iso was 7.3gb
[21:40] <tgm4883> right, but the iso had more than just the main movie on it right?
[21:40] <rhpot1991> I'm contemplating if the special features are worth that extra space or not
[21:40] <tgm4883> you should rip to ogg anyway ;)
[21:40] <rhpot1991> never messed with ogg
[21:41] <rhpot1991> hows the compression ratio?
[21:41] <tgm4883> depends, if it's a movie, i usually rip just the movie to iso, if it's tv shows, i rip the whole thing
[21:41] <rhpot1991> why make an iso if its just the movie though?
[21:42] <tgm4883> why not?
[21:42] <rhpot1991> if your just gonna watch the movie, then the menu is a waste of time
[21:42] <tgm4883> menu isn't included
[21:42] <rhpot1991> is it compressed?
[21:42] <tgm4883> no
[21:42] <tgm4883> fully dvd complient
[21:43] <rhpot1991> guess I'm just not used to doing it that way
[21:43] <tgm4883> just strips out the extras, and the menus
[21:43] <rhpot1991> I'm used to an iso being a container for something
[21:43] <tgm4883> right, it's a container for the movie.  Doesn't need any of the menus
[21:44] <rhpot1991> ya, just seems strange having a container for a single file
[21:44] <tgm4883> for instance, if i burned that to a dvd, i could stick it in any dvd player and it would play the movie right away
[21:44] <rhpot1991> ya, that is nice
[21:44] <tgm4883> well, it's not exactly a single file
[21:44]  * rhpot1991 has an divx dvd player
[21:44] <directhex> iso is a container for an iso9660 file system
[21:44] <rhpot1991> came in handy before I build my mythboxes
[21:45] <tgm4883> i think that files are usually 1GB max for video dvd
[21:45] <tgm4883> it's been awhile since i looked at it
[21:45] <rhpot1991> I snagged a 1TB mybook on BF, which I plan on ripping my dvd collection to
[21:46] <rhpot1991> so I have just been messing around seeing which direction I want to go
[21:46] <rhpot1991> I wonder how hard it would be to convert an iso to something like xvid at a later time
[21:48] <rhpot1991> there isn't any option to run a user job on a video is there?
[21:48] <tgm4883> probably the same as it is now, or less difficult, being that you would already have it at without encryption and already without unnecessary features
[21:48] <tgm4883> well you could make a user job for it
[21:49] <rhpot1991> I'm contemplating if I can modify my ipod export script to run on videos too, and which format would be easies to convert to mp4
[21:52] <rhpot1991> I'm not seeing any sort of menu system for the video
[21:57] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: if you try out the internal mythripper let me know how it compares
[21:58] <rhpot1991> time to head home, take care
[22:03] <williammanda> hey guys
[22:03] <williammanda>  read the wiki for ripping a dvd....
[22:03] <williammanda>  get to the point to start the rip.....press 0 to start....
[22:03] <williammanda>  says"no jobs and nothing else to do"
[22:03] <williammanda>  it didn't even try to record the dvd
[22:46] <mindframe-> how does the remote control interface work?  do i have to buy an IR receiver or something?
[22:51] <mindframe-> nevermind i rtfm
[23:12] <williammanda>   read the wiki for ripping a dvd....
[23:12] <williammanda>   get to the point to start the rip.....press 0 to start....
[23:12] <williammanda>   says"no jobs and nothing else to do"
[23:12] <williammanda>   it didn't even try to record the dvd


[04:23] <Scoup> how can i install edubuntu from downloaded file?
[16:27] <Ahmuck_> is there a way for an instructor to log into a student's account and review logs and history?
[16:28] <Ahmuck_> *yawn*, so whats up with writing the manual?  it seems pretty simple, open up oo.org and write
[16:47] <Ahmuck_> sbalneav: if you make documentation difficult, required set of parameters, etc, should you expect to get volunteers
[16:55]  * Ahmuck_ nudges sbalneav
[19:20] <Ahmuck_> http://linuxappfinder.com/education
[19:24] <Ahmuck_> does edubunut classify software & educational games based on age?
[20:12] <Ahmuck_> is there an educational software list for edubuntu?
[20:12] <Ahmuck_> what educational software is included?
[20:25] <Ahmuck_> nm, i found the age packages
[21:05] <Ahmuck_> i like ri-li, and i think you can probably modify the information between train sets, but ri-li is not a part of edubuntu, and worse yet, ltsp doesn't support SDL
[21:05] <Ahmuck_> er, edubuntu ltsp
[21:05] <HedgeMage> My son adores ri-li
[21:10] <Ahmuck_> HedgeMage: is it in edubuntu suite?
[21:11] <HedgeMage> Ahmuck_: I don't think so, but to be honest I don't remember which things came with it and what I installed seperately.


[00:00] <guest12345> at least when I buy a windows machine, i can put whatever hardware I want in it
[00:00] <zacarias> Daskreech: :-)
[00:00] <zacarias> guest12345: it's snow leopard
[00:06] <guest12345> zacarias: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[00:07] <guest12345> zacarias: but you'll have to go through creating samba users also...
[00:07] <guest12345> zacarias: I really don't know what happens when you are doing it from the gui standpoint
[00:08] <guest12345> zacarias: sshfs is a process to get to work on snow leopard
[00:08] <guest12345> zacarias: http://andrewmallis.com/blog/2011/03/28/mounting-remote-filesystems-on-osx-snow-leopard-using-sshfs-macfuse-and-macfusion
[00:08] <guest12345> zacarias: http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~tomik/personal/?p=93
[00:08] <guest12345> zacarias: but so is getting samba working
[00:10] <zacarias> guest12345: ok, thanks
[00:11] <guest12345> zacarias: np, sorry I couldn't be of more help
[00:11] <Daskreech> giantpune: wb
[00:12] <Daskreech> giant:pune g'bye
[00:12] <guest12345> Daskreech: scared him away
[00:12] <log_null> hi there.
[00:13] <log_null> Does anyone is having troubles when trying to install wine in amd64 machines?
[00:13] <LordOfTime> log_null:  no, what troubles are you having specifically
[00:14] <log_null> I'm using aptitude to do it and aptitude always claims to solve a lot of unsolved dependencies.
[00:14] <log_null> Specially i386 packages...
[00:15] <guest12345> log_null: I have run into problems with multiarch support in the past... however this is not specifically for wine...
[00:15] <log_null> guest12345: well i'm trying to figure out how to not use multiarch, just amd64. There's a way?
[00:16] <log_null> This is the sources.list I'm using http://pastebin.com/xx7anF5g . Just it, nothing more (double checked).
[00:16] <guest12345> log_null: try going to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch and comment out one line that is in there with the pound sign #
[00:17] <guest12345> log_null: then do apt-get update
[00:17] <guest12345> log_null: then use apt-get instead of aptitude
[00:18] <guest12345> log_null: use 'aptitude search <pkg>' to get the wine package you want to install, then do apt-get install <result of aptitude search command>
[00:18] <dtrules> hello everyone
[00:18] <log_null> guest12345: Yeah... I've noticed that aptitude is making a lot of noise, specially when doing "aptitude -f install"
[00:18] <Srx> ?
[00:18] <guest12345> log_null: I don't know why (i'lve loved aptitude for years) but I don't think ubuntu supports aptitude anymore
[00:19] <log_null> Since past aptitude was a good tool to manage .deb packages, I have no idea why in the hell aptitude becomes a riot program... :(
[00:19] <log_null> guest12345: Maybe we should call it to The Grid, hehehe
[00:26] <log_null> Well, it didn't solved. Anyway, thanks for your time, pals.
[00:26] <dtrules> anyone knows how does that "windows pop up message" on kopete works?
[00:27] <Daskreech> dtrules: Hmm?
[00:27] <Daskreech> The one when you get a message?
[00:27] <Daskreech> press ctrl+shift+i and it will process the message
[00:27] <dtrules> yes but I'm trying to configure it
[00:28] <Daskreech> ah to do what
[00:28] <dtrules> to send.. pop up messages to a windows pc?
[00:29] <Daskreech> guest12345: Ytour turn :)
[00:30] <Daskreech> dtrules: Run kopete on the windows computer? :)
[00:31] <guest12345> dtrules: in the config, can you set it to run a script?
[00:31] <guest12345> dtrules: on that event?
[00:32] <dtrules> I'm a newbie on this GNU/linux thing :S
[00:33] <Daskreech> dtrules: That's fine what would you like it to do?
[00:33] <guest12345> dtrules: in Kopete... settings->configure notifications...
[00:34] <dtrules> ok, I want to know how that pop up window thing works
[00:34] <guest12345> dtrules: in configure notifications there is 'incoming message'
[00:34] <dtrules> if i can send a pop up message to a friend with windows
[00:34] <guest12345> dtrules: when you click that there is 'run command'
[00:34] <Daskreech> dtrules: On a technical basis or just what triggers it?
[00:35] <Daskreech> dtrules: Ah. Well You can. WIndow has a program called winpopup that we abused horribly in University
[00:35] <Daskreech> But the kopete popup requires a notification library that Windows doesn't ship with
[00:35] <guest12345> dtrules: from there you will have to create a file (and do some research to learn some more about this *nix stuff ;-)
[00:35] <dtrules> just for fun u know
[00:35] <dtrules> ok then
[00:36] <guest12345> dtrules: the first line of the file should be (called shebang line):   #!/bin/sh
[00:36] <Daskreech> You used to be able to do a lot more of that till spammers started taking over windows machines to popup spam messages during the WIndows XP lifetime so Windows is really really paranoid about external popup requests now
[00:37] <guest12345> dtrules: then you will have to figure out the rest... windows has a 'net send ' command to sent messages to another computer (popups also)  and I think there should be an equivalent command to do that to a windows computer in linux also
[00:37] <Daskreech> dtrules: I'm sure there are ways to do it but some may require modifying your friend's computer before hand
[00:37] <dtrules> So It's not so easy :S
[00:37] <Daskreech>  one that i used to use was a program  called hamaichi which allowed you to view another computer somewhere in the world as if it was on your hard drive but as a plus came with a messaging popup so you can chat with the other computer
[00:38] <Daskreech> !script
[00:38] <dtrules> thank you guys but I dont think I'll do it by myself xD
[00:38] <Daskreech> dtrules: I'd say it's easy but it's not trivial
[00:38] <dtrules> I see
[00:38] <Daskreech> Which is probably how I'd describe a lot of things on Windows :-/
[00:39] <guest12345> dtrules: or setup your own xmpp server :)
[00:39] <dtrules> I'll bother you for one more thing. I have some problems with graphics
[00:39] <Daskreech> Sure
[00:39] <Daskreech> what kind ?
[00:39] <dtrules> I have an Intel Processor with a graphic GMA 500 chipset
[00:41] <dtrules> when it boots
[00:41] <dtrules> the screen goes black
[00:41] <dtrules> and I have to press F7, to make the graphic enviroment start
[00:41] <Daskreech> oh
[00:41] <guest12345> dtrules: is it a dell?
[00:41] <dtrules> I dont know what F/ does but it works that way
[00:41] <dtrules> yes it is
[00:42] <guest12345> dtrules: and you installed a new graphics card?
[00:42] <dtrules> no It's the one that comes with it
[00:42] <dtrules> on board
[00:42] <Daskreech> It ships with two video cards maybe?
[00:42] <dtrules> when I close this netbook, and then open it again, I have a very big grey line on the bottom of the screen
[00:43] <guest12345> dtrules: have you checked out your bios settings?
[00:43] <dtrules> and i can't see that part
[00:43] <dtrules> hmm no It's the graphics that comes with the proccesor.. I think
[00:43] <dtrules> no I haven't. what should I look for?
[00:44] <guest12345> dtrules: try connecting the vga port of your laptop to a monitor to see if you can see if any messages come up, other than that... it sounds like a dell bios problem
[00:45] <dtrules> If I press for example, f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 all that "shells"(DK what to call them) works fine
[00:46] <dtrules> I get a KDE notification, every time I boot ubuntu
[00:46] <dtrules> failing to report it everytime :S
[00:46] <guest12345> dtrules: is it happening before or after the posts?
[00:46] <guest12345> dtrules: (posts -> power on self tests)
[00:47] <Daskreech> dtrules: alt+f7 ?
[00:48] <dtrules> ctrl*alt*f7
[00:48] <dtrules> sorry I forgot to mention that
[00:48] <dtrules> :S
[00:48] <Daskreech> dtrules: ok That makes sense then :)
[00:48] <Daskreech> When you don't press it what happens?
[00:49] <dtrules> The screen is black
[00:51] <dtrules> If I dont press anything the screen just stays black
[00:51] <dtrules> After pressing ctrl alt f7, i get this KDE error message, and another one saying the folder for contacts does not exist
[00:51] <guest12345> dtrules: so, when you are in the 'graphic environment' and you press ctrl-alt-f<1|2|3...>  is it all black?
[00:51] <Daskreech> hrrm Well it should pop up  the Grahical interface
[00:52] <Daskreech> Or does it say login?
[00:52] <Daskreech> dtrules: Ah Ok If we get that error we can probably sort out why X isn't starting
[00:52] <dtrules> if Im at graphic e. and press c a f1 2 3 4 It gets to the shell
[00:52] <dtrules> tty1 tty2 and so on
[00:53] <dtrules> It doesnt say login
[00:53] <dtrules> I press ctrl alt f7 and theres a windows
[00:53] <guest12345> dtrules: ok, just making sure that there wasn't a frame buffer resolution issue
[00:53] <dtrules> window sorry
[00:53] <dtrules> and some icons will appear
[00:53] <dtrules> a hard disk, etc
[00:53] <Daskreech> dtrules: that's you logging in
[00:53] <dtrules> I dont get any login window
[00:53] <guest12345> dtrules: is there any clue in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[00:54] <dtrules> ok but I'm never prompted to press anything
[00:54] <dtrules> hmm let me check
[00:54] <guest12345> dtrules: or ~/.xsession-errors?
[00:54] <dtrules> if you could speak less technical, that will help :S sorry
[00:55] <guest12345> dtrules: your home directory /home/<username>/.xsession-errors  (~/   is a shortcut on the command line)
[00:56] <dtrules> I've opened Xorg.0.log
[00:56] <dtrules> what am I looking for here?
[00:57] <guest12345> dtrules: look for any line that contains EE
[00:57] <dtrules> ok
[00:59] <dtrules> nothing
[00:59] <guest12345> ok, it is going to take a bit of reading, but check out you xsession-errors
[01:00] <guest12345> dtrules: (don't forget the dot!  /home/<username>/.xsession-errors)
[01:01] <dtrules> ok how do it open it by shell?
[01:01] <guest12345> dtrules: do you know how to use vim?
[01:01] <dtrules> whats the command for reading the file
[01:01] <dtrules> vim?
[01:02] <guest12345> what do you normally use?
[01:02] <guest12345> kate?
[01:02] <dtrules> I have no idea man :S
[01:02] <dtrules> what is that? vim, kate?
[01:03] <guest12345> ok, go to the shell and type:   kate ~/.xsession-errors
[01:03] <guest12345> Daskreech: any suggestions?
[01:04] <guest12345> Daskreech: I'm a vim guy myself
[01:05] <dtrules> its open
[01:06] <dtrules> what do I do now
[01:07] <guest12345> read
[01:07] <guest12345> see if anything in there seems to say any reason why it isn't starting
[01:07] <dtrules> ok
[01:07] <guest12345> I don't know what to tell you to look for
[01:08] <dtrules> reading then, I'll paste here If I see something suspicious
[01:09] <guest12345> dtrules: sorry man, i got to go...
[01:10] <dtrules> ok thank you
[01:10] <guest12345> dtrules: you may see somthing in there that may give you a clue, if you do, google the error and you will probably get the solution
[01:10] <dtrules> sorry for bothering you
[01:10] <dtrules> thanks for your help
[01:10] <guest12345> np
[01:10] <guest12345> good luck!
[01:10] <dtrules> thanks, see ya
[01:23] <L3top> dtrules: please restate your problem I am in too many chats to backscroll... try to keep replies to a single line when possible
[02:56] <qbit> all right this is just ridiculous - who and where  do I go to tell the people who operate the repos they have a problem, as it's obvious they don't use ubuntu.kubuntu themselves or they would be busy fixing this
[02:57] <qbit> 45 minutes to get 30MB of updates - Really?
[03:11] <claydoh> qbit: try using a different mirror, i am guessing the load balancing or whatever mechanism used to route traffic to various servers is acting up
[03:13] <qbit> oh well, hope they fix it soon
[03:14] <qbit> bbl
[04:24] <JMichaelX> qbit: i have been having the same complaint. PPA & us.archive.ubuntu.com repos are all ridiculously slow. it's been that way for a while now
[04:24] <Daskreech> JMichaelX: lots of people use Ubuntu
[04:25] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: that has always been the case, what does that have to do with the slow servers?
[04:26] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: a few days ago, it took me over 35 minutes to download an nvidia driver from a PPA
[04:27] <Daskreech> Well I would guess canonical only has so many servers. They have launchpad and ppas where the use of them doesn't always reflect canonical's interests
[04:28] <Daskreech> They also have a lot of dev going on as well as deals with hardware manufacturers which means lots of unit tests
[04:28] <Daskreech>  Could just be that they have more CPU time being used than they have CPU power
[04:29] <Daskreech> Course I am speculating and that doesn't help your video card get new code any faster
[04:29] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: that is possible, but it does not changethe fact that they are very slow, to the point of occasionally even timing out
[04:29] <Daskreech> File a bug
[04:30] <JMichaelX> i'm positive they are aware of the issue
[04:30] <Daskreech> me too but they are likely to respond to a bug.
[04:31] <Daskreech> (most likely to close it)
[04:32] <JMichaelX> you may be right, although i would not have necessarily felt would accelerate anything.
[04:34] <Daskreech> Didn't say it would accelerate just that they are more likely to respond to it
[04:34] <JMichaelX> ok, that makes sense
[05:15] <bezgo> hello
[05:15] <bezgo> any smart people here
[05:15] <bezgo> hello?
[05:30] <L3top> !ask | bezgo
[05:33] <qbit> JMichaelX: I have over 2200 servers, 3 mainframes, and something like 10,000 where I work, O know a server/network problem when I see one
[05:33] <qbit> just can't type worth a crap when I get sleepy....
[05:34] <L3top> qbit: It appears that the powers that be have throttled the servers back over the last couple of days. I have no idea why, but the same thing was done at release of 1204.
[05:34] <qbit> JMichaelX: and up until about 3-4 days ago this 'problem' didn't exist
[05:34] <BluesKaj> hey , I should br in bed too :)
[05:35] <BluesKaj>  be
[05:35] <qbit> it was not this slow at the release - I upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 and it wasn't like this
[05:35] <L3top> they dropped to 50Kbs.
[05:36] <L3top> What is your speed now?
[05:36] <qbit> earlier tonight it took 45 minutes to download 30MB worth of updates
[05:37] <qbit> bottom is abouit 13 KB/s, but it fluctuates at around 20 or so
[05:37] <qbit> even saw 9 briefly once
[05:37] <BluesKaj> 12.04 seems fast enough , but if you are using dns servers they should be listed in /etc/network/interfaces ...or so I've been informed
[05:38] <JMichaelX> qbit: yes, that sounds like what i have been seeing. however, i started seeing this around 6 days ago (when i did a fresh install on my netbook)
[05:38] <qbit> nothing has changed here either since before, or since this started
[05:39] <qbit> other than looking for updates when they come out
[05:39] <qbit> they have a problemm it's not here....
[05:39] <JMichaelX> qbit: same here. i see the same thing both here at home, and at work, where i have a gigabit connection
[05:40] <L3top> qbit, that is about 90kbps
[05:40] <L3top> again... I believe they have throttled down
[05:41] <qbit> I have fiber here which is 15Mb/s and that is 1.8MB.s throughput I can do all day every day
[05:41] <L3top> and that affects a throttled server how?
[05:41] <qbit> even throttling down to 256 is fine
[05:42] <qbit> down to 13 is twice the speed of a 56K dialup modem
[05:42] <JMichaelX> qbit: it can get worse. i have had it time out on me, at least once
[05:42] <qbit> L3top: that is what I mean by I know the problem is not me
[05:43] <L3top> absolutely correct
[05:43] <JMichaelX> qbit: no, others are seeing the same thing
[05:43] <L3top> not you
[05:43] <L3top> who would be privy to why is outside of my reach to be sure
[05:43] <qbit> they'll fix it I'm sure - just wondering if 'they know or does someone need to tell 'them'
[05:44] <JMichaelX> qbit: i'm not sure how they couldn't know
[05:44] <qbit> lol
[05:44] <L3top> however I do not belive it is a "problem" as much as a "solution"
[05:45] <JMichaelX> i hope they are speedier at fixing this issue than google is with fixing problems with their repo
[05:45] <qbit> oh god - that Google repo I disabled
[05:46] <qbit> got tired of that real quick
[05:47] <JMichaelX> google does some great things, but they can also be great about dragging their arses... especially if it involved an issue that does not rake in large profits
[05:47] <BluesKaj> one of my repos servers had a package upload fail , so we were having update errors , but at least the rest of the package upgrades weren't blocked
[05:47] <L3top> qbit... want to do an experiment?
[05:47] <JMichaelX> BluesKaj: there may have been a timeout when that mirror was trying to update, or something
[05:48] <qbit> nope - what I am going to do is go to bed, I've been up since 4 in the morning yesterday
[05:48] <qbit> and I am about to fall asleep
[05:49] <BluesKaj> JMichaelX, perhaps , but I checked every 2 hrs or so and it wasn't fixed for 6hrs
[05:49] <JMichaelX> BluesKaj: interesting
[05:49] <L3top> BluesKaj: want to do an experiment?
[05:49] <L3top> lol
[05:49] <qbit> see you guys later....
[05:50] <JMichaelX> adios qbit
[05:50] <BluesKaj>  L3top. depends , as long as it doesn't keep me up much longer :)
[05:51]  * L3top can't experiment... lives on a farm with a 62kbps connection
[05:51] <L3top> its easy
[05:51] <L3top> cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bu
[05:51] <BluesKaj> ok , let's try
[05:51] <L3top> deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt  precise main restricted universe multiverse
[05:51] <L3top> deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt  precise-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:51] <L3top> deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt  precise-security main restricted universe multiverse
[05:51] <BluesKaj> bu ?
[05:51] <L3top> put that in sources.list.
[05:52] <L3top> backup
[05:52] <FloodBotK1> L3top: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:52] <L3top> just so reverting is easy.
[05:52] <L3top> by put that in I mean replace
[05:53] <L3top> apt-get update
[05:53] <L3top> then... grab something of significant size.... apt-get something --download-only if you do not wish to install something... for sake of experiment
[05:54] <BluesKaj> L3top, hmmm, I"m on 12.10 , think I'll pass
[05:54] <L3top> just replace precise with what you want
[05:54] <L3top> I mean... you can see what it is... it is cononical supported
[05:55] <L3top> just replace precise with quantal
[05:56] <L3top> don't be a skuurdy pants... look at it... it isn't gonna hurt you.
[05:57] <L3top> what it does is check your location against a list of repositories, and grabs the one which pings quickest
[05:57] <L3top> I am curious if the mirrors suffer the same throttle
[06:03] <BluesKaj> L3top, i get erroes on 2 on of the debs ,and it changed my mirror tocustom instead of normal server for Canada ...partial packages as well ...like earlier today
[06:05] <BluesKaj> the mirror I used this morning was waterloo U , but this server is some other server that's default for Canada
[06:06] <BluesKaj> now I get a lot of duplicate sources list entries , L3top
[06:09] <BluesKaj> L3top, I added the repos you listed and thats what happend, above
[06:15] <BluesKaj> anyway gents , sacktime here
[06:16] <BluesKaj> night nall
[06:16] <BluesKaj> err all
[06:18] <brian__> hi, I'm using kubuntu 11.10 and for some reason when I pop in a dvd and try to load it in Kaffeine, it gives me an error " Error reading from:  Error reading NAV packet"
[06:18] <brian__> suggestions?
[06:20] <JMichaelX> brian__: you need to go to www.medibuntu.org , install their repo, and install libdvdcss2
[06:21] <brian__> I did
[06:21] <brian__> and dvdread4
[06:21] <JMichaelX> brian__: reading DVD menus relies on patent-encumbered libraries that ubuntu cannot have in their repos for legal reasons
[06:21] <JMichaelX> brian__: then i'm not sure what the problem might be
[06:21] <brian__> I am aware of that. I've known that since back in Gutsy
[06:23] <brian__> alright, thanks
[07:22] <mega0wn3r> can someone help me?
[07:22] <mega0wn3r> I have a question about Plasma Active.
[07:25] <Tm_T> mega0wn3r: yes?
[07:26] <mega0wn3r> I want it on my phone. Is that possible?
[07:26] <mega0wn3r> It's rooted.
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:35] <Tm_T> mega0wn3r: you prolly need to understand quite a lot about fitting an operating system to a phone
[07:36] <Tm_T> mega0wn3r: so short answer is "no" /:
[07:36] <mega0wn3r> ok
[07:36] <Neo139> !help
[07:37] <mega0wn3r> Can someone help me get started with LFS? I really tried but can't get it set up right.
[07:39] <Neo139> I'm connected though ssh to a kubuntu 12.04 box. I want to execute a file. Im in the folder where the file is. I do ./filename.bin and it outputs "bash: ./filename.bin: No such file or directory" but if I do "ls" the file is there. the file name has no non-printable chars (I checked with ls | cat -v) and the permissions are 777. I have no clue why I can't execute it. (I could execute it just fine in a debian box)
[07:40] <lordievader> Neo139: Try running it with the full path.
[07:40] <Neo139> I get the same results :\
[07:42] <lordievader> Neo139: You are on the ssh, and not mistakenly on locahost?
[07:42] <lordievader> localhost*
[07:42] <Neo139> I'm on ssh. on that box. 100% sure
[07:43] <lordievader> Neo139: And pwd outputs the correct dir?
[07:43] <Neo139> yes. this is so strange
[07:43] <Neo139> ls prints the file name in green
[07:43] <Neo139> that means something?
[07:44] <lordievader> So let me get this straight, ls ./ gives you the file. But running it says not found? You didn't make a typo?
[07:44] <Neo139> exactly
[07:44] <Neo139> It isn't typo
[07:44] <Neo139> I don't even write the file name, I start and then hit tab
[07:45] <lordievader> Neo139: Run an ls -la and check if the permission is really 777
[07:45] <Neo139> -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3513408 Sep  1  2005 hldsupdatetool.bin
[07:46] <lordievader> Neo139: Perhaps a bit of sudo might help: sudo ./hldsupdatetool.bin
[07:46] <Neo139> I'm also through screen, but I don't think that has to do with anything
[07:46] <lordievader> Neo139: It shouldn't
[07:47] <Neo139> sudo ./hldsupdatetool.bin don't output anything, but don't execute it either :\|
[07:48] <lordievader> Neo139: Can tools like mv or cp find the file?
[07:49] <mega0wn3r> If your on a differint computer won't that mean sudo on your own pc does nothing on the other? You already have permission, don't you?
[07:49] <Neo139> mv can find the file
[07:49] <Neo139> root@LIRB44:/usr/servercs# mv hldsupdatetool.bin hldsupdatetool2.bin
[07:49] <Neo139> root@LIRB44:/usr/servercs# ls -l | grep "hlds"
[07:49] <Neo139> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3513408 Sep  1  2005 hldsupdatetool2.bin
[07:49] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Sudo in an ssh session sends the sudo to the ssh server not to localhost.
[07:50] <mega0wn3r> I know, but you need to be in the sudoers list or something, don't you?
[07:50] <Neo139> yea, but in this case, Im root, the file is 777. so it isn't permissions the problem i think
[07:50] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: True it needs permission to use sudo, but if it is a regular kubuntu box it does.
[07:51] <mega0wn3r> ok then
[07:51] <lordievader> Anyhow Neo139 try sudo sh ./<name-of-file>
[07:51] <Neo139> root@LIRB44:/usr/servercs# sh ./hldsupdatetool2.bin
[07:51] <Neo139> ./hldsupdatetool2.bin: 1: ./hldsupdatetool2.bin: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[07:51] <Neo139> root@LIRB44:/usr/servercs# less hldsupdatetool2.bin
[07:51] <Neo139> "hldsupdatetool2.bin" may be a binary file.  See it anyway?
[07:52] <Neo139> its a binary file
[07:52] <Neo139>  I md5sum it, and the file is ok
[07:52] <lordievader> Neo139: Yeah I know... this is really strange...
[07:53] <lordievader> Neo139: Running it as a user didn't work either?
[07:53] <Neo139> didn't tried, let me see
[07:53] <Neo139> same results
[07:53] <lordievader> How odd
[07:55] <lordievader> Neo139: Oh hey someone here got the same problem: http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/10636
[07:55] <mega0wn3r> Can you copy the file to make another? Maybe then it'll run.
[07:55] <Neo139> root@LIRB44:/usr/servercs# ./hldsupdatetool3.bin
[07:55] <Neo139> bash: ./hldsupdatetool3.bin: No such file or directory
[07:56] <Neo139> I can cp, mv, less, but when I tried to execute it does't find it :\
[07:56] <mega0wn3r> Try without ./
[07:56] <Neo139> tried, also with fullpath
[07:57] <mega0wn3r> try ../
[07:57] <lordievader> Neo139: Try the stuff they said in the forum.
[07:59] <mega0wn3r> Can someone help with LFS?
[07:59] <mega0wn3r> The stuff I found was outdated
[07:59] <Neo139> yeaaaaaa
[07:59] <Neo139> =) =) =D!!
[07:59] <Neo139> thanks lordievader
[07:59] <Neo139> apt-get install lib32gcc1 made the trick
[07:59] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: I have some vague idea of what it is... let alone how it works. So no I cannot help you, but perhaps someone else.
[08:00] <lordievader> Neo139: Ah oke, nice.
[08:00] <Neo139> the file was 32 bits it seems
[08:00] <mega0wn3r> Ok. Know where I might find this someone else?
[08:00] <Neo139> it worked on a 64bits debian without anything on a VM
[08:01] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Somewhat later here, or on (k)ubuntuforums
[08:02] <mega0wn3r> I h8 forums... Any other irc?
[08:02] <lordievader> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:03] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat= You could try channels like ubuntu or linux or a different distro.
[08:04] <mega0wn3r> Ok. Thx.
[08:05] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Good luck!
[08:12] <angelo> hi leute
[08:13] <lordievader> Hey angelo
[08:40] <mega0wn3r> Can someone help woth rekonq crashing
[08:40] <mega0wn3r> ?
[08:41] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: I don't use rekonq, but you could try to launch it through a terminal to see if that spits out something when it crashes.
[08:42] <mega0wn3r> ok but it only crashes when i close it/tabs
[08:43] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Ah kind of the samethign I have with amarok... but I usually kill it with killall XD
[08:43] <lordievader> same thing*
[08:43] <mega0wn3r> amarok doesnt work for me either
[08:43] <mega0wn3r> i have to sudo it
[08:43] <mega0wn3r> in terminal
[08:44] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: In what way does it not work?
[08:44] <mega0wn3r> It can't find sound
[08:44] <mega0wn3r> drivers*
[08:44] <mega0wn3r> no sound
[08:45] <mega0wn3r> Even after I install drivers
[08:45] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Can kmix find your audio cards?
[08:46] <mega0wn3r> What's kmix?
[08:47] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Kmix is the volume icon you see on the bottom right.
[08:47] <mega0wn3r> Then yes it does.
[08:48] <mega0wn3r> It says it needs codecs to play mp3s too.
[08:48] <mega0wn3r> in amarok
[08:48] <lordievader> That might be why amarok doesn't work.
[08:49] <mega0wn3r> I got the codecs and it keeps saying it needs them
[08:49] <mega0wn3r> All my other sound works
[08:49] <lordievader> You've installed what is it called? Kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[08:51] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:53] <mega0wn3r> I got a crash in rekonq.
[08:54] <lordievader> What did the terminal say? !paste
[08:54] <lordievader> !paste
[08:54] <mega0wn3r> This was the output:logankemp@logankemp-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC:~$ rekonq
[08:54] <mega0wn3r> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[08:54] <mega0wn3r> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[08:54] <mega0wn3r> logankemp@logankemp-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC:~$ Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:54] <mega0wn3r> QFont::setPixelSize: Pixel size <= 0 (0)
[08:54] <mega0wn3r> QFont::setPixelSize: Pixel size <= 0 (0)
[08:54] <FloodBotK1> mega0wn3r: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:54] <lordievader> !pastebin | mega0wn3r
[08:59] <mega0wn3r> I can't use paste. My browser crashed
[08:59] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Install firefox :P: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:00] <mega0wn3r> I have firefox, but I don't use it because of some complications with it...
[09:00] <mega0wn3r> I would use it if you know where to get nightly.
[09:01] <lordievader> You need a repo for it.
[09:02] <lordievader> Or in other words, you need a browser to find that repo :P
[09:02] <lordievader> Why actually a daily build of FF?
[09:03] <mega0wn3r> I like it.
[09:03] <mega0wn3r> Besides it works well.
[09:03] <mega0wn3r> Better than aurora and stable.
[09:04] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[09:04] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Experimental is usually unstable...
[09:05] <mega0wn3r> I know.
[09:05] <mega0wn3r> But it usually isnt.
[09:05] <mega0wn3r> And I use it all the time on windows.
[09:06] <mega0wn3r> that says ubuntu but im on kubuntu... it works, right?
[09:07] <lordievader> Yeah kubuntu is ubuntu with kde frontend.
[09:09] <xitingshui> 有来自中国的朋友么?
[09:10] <lordievader> xitingshui: What's wrong?
[09:10] <xitingshui> no thing . thank you
[09:11] <mega0wn3r> I hear kubuntu is not good for development like ubuntu. Is there a fix for that?
[09:12] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: What kind of dev? GTK?
[09:12] <mega0wn3r> I was doing Linux From Scratch.
[09:12] <mega0wn3r> I want to be able to work on that.
[09:13] <xitingshui> for mega0wn3r maybe you need BLFS
[09:14] <mega0wn3r> IDK... I just want a custom Linux system.
[09:14] <lordievader> Why go through all the trouble of creating another distro when there are quite a few good ones. (this is more a convo for offtopic...)
[09:15] <mega0wn3r> I want it to be my own.
[09:16] <mega0wn3r> It's a matter of how cool a custom system is.
[09:17] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Please join #kubuntu-offtopic, this is the reason why the channel exists. The #kubuntu channel is for kubuntu related questions.
[09:17] <mega0wn3r> It is related, isn't it?
[09:32] <mega0wn3r> lordievader: I got nightly. Thx.
[10:30] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> Hello here you want.....
[10:31] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> good bye.....
[10:31] <lordievader> Well that was quick.
[10:37] <mega0wn3r> I want a terminal always open on top of what I'm doing. I want to be able to click through it but select it with ctrl+s+click or something. How can I do this?
[10:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> take a look at yakuake
[10:39] <mega0wn3r> What or who is that?
[10:41] <mega0wn3r> nvm I googled it
[10:42] <mydogsnameisrudy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQnRPhU05tE
[10:42] <Captain_Mart> I just installed Kubuntu 12.04 32 bit on my Toshiba Satellite L455 laptop, and my internet connection is running very slow. Here is the results of lspci if someone could help. http://paste.ubuntu.com/997139/
[10:45] <mydogsnameisrudy> Captain_Mart:  have you run update and upgrade?
[10:45] <massimo_> ciao
[10:45] <Captain_Mart> mydogsnameisrudy: I tried, but it's running so slow. It never completes
[10:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmmm ok
[10:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> you running wireless or cable
[10:48] <Captain_Mart> mydogsnameisrudy: I tried both, and they both run the same. I tried googling my adapter, and ended up at the realtek site. I tried downloading the driver, but ended up losing my wired connection all together
[10:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> ive not run into this so your going to have to hang around untill someone else comes to help sorry
[10:51] <Captain_Mart> mydogsnameisrudy: Ok, thanks
[10:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> ill do some googling to look for you
[10:52] <luca> Hi! I noticed that my keyboard is not working in grub unless a usb pendrive is plugged as well. Anyone who noticed the same?
[10:54] <lordievader> luca: Nope here everything is working, are you using a usb keyboard? Perhaps you need to enable "legacy USB" or something like that in the bios.
[10:55] <luca> lordievader: I can try that, thanks!
[11:26] <Wizard> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 does that link work  for you?
[11:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> Wizard: FAILED
[11:27] <Wizard> Damn :D
[11:27] <Wizard> I mean, too bad :(
[11:50] <Captain_Mart_> I just installed Kubuntu 12.04 32 bit on my Toshiba Satellite L455 laptop, and my internet connection is running very slow. Here is the results of lspci if someone could help. http://paste.ubuntu.com/997139/
[12:07] <kerloi> Hi all. I recently installed kubuntu 12.04 (I made an update) and now I have a problem with the printer. Every job I start goes to a "stop" state.
[12:09] <lordievader> kerloi: You could try to reinstall the printer.
[12:13] <kerloi> lordievader: What do you mean 'reinstall' ? Remove and then add the printer ?
[12:15] <lordievader> kerloi: Exactly, not the best solution I guess. But the only I can think of right now...
[12:24] <kerloi> lordievader: It's working :) thx
[12:25] <lordievader> kerloi: Ok great!
[13:36] <mr-rich> Ok, here's my issue: I set up Kununtu 11.04 to have a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces. When I upgraded to 11.10, it somehow went back to using dhcp at the same time. So, my Kubuntu now has 2 IPs ... one static and one generated via dhcp. So I removed the static IP info from /etc/network/interfaces. Strange things is, I STILL have 2 ips I can access this machinte with.
[13:37] <mr-rich> the static (which I removed) one AND the dhcp one. Very strange. How do fix?
[13:37] <lordievader> mr-rich: Did you reboot or ran the command: sudo service networking restart?
[13:37] <mega0wn3r> Did you restart the machine/reload the interfaces?
[13:37] <mega0wn3r> lol
[13:39] <mr-rich> mega0wn3r: lordievader: this is an ongioing problem. this has been happening for months.
[13:39] <mega0wn3r> I have an issue too.
[13:39] <mega0wn3r> How can I make it where I can click-through a transparent terminal?
[13:39] <mr-rich> I've rebooted several times ...
[13:39] <mega0wn3r> Did you edit the file as root and make sure it saved?
[13:40] <lordievader> mr-rich: How is it set-up when you right-click on your network icon in the bottom right corner. And go to Network Management Settings?
[13:40] <mr-rich> mega0wn3r: double click the title bar to "shade" the terminal, click on what you need to click on, double click to "unshade" ...
[13:40] <lordievader> mr-rich: Then your network connection and edit.
[13:41] <mega0wn3r> I want it to be there, though
[13:42] <mega0wn3r> Not just minimized or shaded
[13:42] <lordievader> mr-rich: How is the Basic Settings set-up?
[13:43] <mr-rich> I'm there now ... "Automatic DHCP". Here's the rub: when I do an ifconfig, all I see is the DHCP IP, not the static, but I can still ping the old static IP an access my local LAMP stack from the old static IP ...
[13:44] <mr-rich> AHA ...
[13:44] <lordievader> mr-rich: Now click the drop-down menu Basic Settings and go to Additional
[13:44] <Captain_Mart> I just installed Kubuntu 12.04 32 bit on my Toshiba Satellite L455 laptop, updates are taking forever to download (about 2 kb/s). I just did a modem speed test on speakeasy.net, and my download was 27.8 mb/s and upload was 7.14 mb/s. I thought it was a bad driver at first, until I did a speed test. Any ideas?
[13:44] <lordievader> mr-rich: Is there anything there?
[13:45] <mr-rich> It's under addidiotnal addresses ...
[13:45] <mega0wn3r> Is there a limit on download speed somewhere?
[13:45] <lordievader> mr-rich: Remove it from there, restart/reload network settings and try to ping it again.
[13:46] <mr-rich> mega0wn3r: no way I can think of to "click through" a window. Transparancy is just an "eye candy" setting ... :(
[13:46] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: You know that those speeds are usually not what you get from actual downloads? On speedtest.net I get around 30~40Mb/s down, actual dowload is around 5MB/s
[13:46] <mega0wn3r> I want my terminal to look like this with the ability to click through it. http://static.inky.ws/image/2013/image.jpg
[13:47] <mega0wn3r> Can someone help?
[13:47] <mr-rich> lordievader: well, I actually want this machine to have the static IP ... I'm a step closer to figuring this out ... thanks ...
[13:47] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: Yes, I know, but I should be doing a lot better than 2 kbps. It's like I have dialup, and my updates are never downloading
[13:47] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Why? You make your entire terminal useless?
[13:48] <lordievader> mr-rich: Well if you know only have the dchp you can trow that out to replace it with a static.
[13:48] <mega0wn3r> Not if I can select with ctrl+click+s
[13:48] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: It took me 20 minutes to download the flash plugin just to do the speed test
[13:48] <mega0wn3r> or something
[13:48] <mr-rich> lordievader: dumb Q: what is the comand to restart network?
[13:48] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: True, what happens when you download something from a web server?
[13:48] <lordievader> mr-rich: sudo service networking restart (is what I use)
[13:49] <mr-rich> lordievader: thanks ... I may drop off in a minute ... :)
[13:49] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: I just downloaded a 3.5 mb file almost instantly
[13:49] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: I guess it is possible, but I don't know how to, alt + tab is good enough for me... I also have 2 monitors...
[13:50] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: Are you using some kind of mirror for apt-get/sources that is slow?
[13:51] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: I haven't touched anything. It's a fresh install
[13:51] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: Go to muon software center -> settings -> software sources and check what is says in Download From.
[13:51] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: He should auto detect it, but that can fail.
[13:51] <mega0wn3r> I don't like alt+tab
[13:52] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: server for united states
[13:52] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: You are in the us? Anyhow try selecting another server.
[13:52] <mega0wn3r> I am in the us too. Server is kind of down right now.
[13:53] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: Yes, I am in the US. Should I try "Main Server"?
[13:53] <mega0wn3r> Main server won't work for me either.
[13:53] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: Just try a few different servers.
[13:53] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: OK
[13:54] <Captain_Mart> mega0wn3r: You are having trouble with slow downloads also?
[13:54] <mega0wn3r> no they just dont work
[13:54] <mega0wn3r> missing files when i update or download
[13:55] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: That could be a misconfigured source.
[13:55] <mega0wn3r> No, it's right.
[13:55] <mega0wn3r> I checked and also tried multiple ones.
[13:55] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Some source that has packages for oneiric or something and you are looking for precise.
[13:56] <mega0wn3r> It's what came with my kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[13:57] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: That did it!
[13:57] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: Ok great!
[13:57] <Captain_Mart> lordievader: I am now downloading updates fast. Thank you!!
[13:57] <lordievader> mega0wn3r: Hmm, that is strange.
[13:57] <lordievader> Captain_Mart: No problem, glad it is now up to speed.
[13:58] <mega0wn3r> network has been down all day
[13:58] <mega0wn3r> some sites dont work
[13:58] <mega0wn3r> some things dont download
[13:58] <mr-rich> lordievader: networking restarted. I can still ping the old static IP ... :(
[13:59] <lordievader> mr-rich: Hmm... Perhaps a full restart? Else I wouldn't know how to fix it...
[13:59] <mr-rich> Maybe ... I'll have to try it later ... Gotta get to workk ...
[15:58] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:10] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[16:12] <BluesKaj> hi eagles0513875 , is supposed to be automatically assigned to a /boot partition?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> grub that is
[16:13] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i have mounted my lvm partition and in /boot there is no grub.conf there O_O
[16:14] <BluesKaj> did you assume grub would auto install there ?
[16:15] <eagles0513875> no ikonia suggested i add the nomodeset there reboot and then add it to the grub file in /etc/default
[16:16] <Belial`> is the appmenu titlebar menu button package available for kubuntu 12.04?
[16:16] <Belial`> searching around and i see stuff for 11.10 but nothing for precise.
[16:21] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: guess its time to file a nasty bug report or 2 here :(
[16:25] <BluesKaj> ok eagles0513875 , but what made you think grub would install in the lvm in /boot
[16:25] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: why wouldn't it
[16:25] <eagles0513875> ?
[16:25] <eagles0513875> its the only partition i have on lvm which is my root partition besides swap
[16:27] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, it's best not to make assumptions, does grub see lvm as root tho...this is as much for my learning experience as yours :)
[16:28] <eagles0513875> i dunno but lvm or not i had this issue BluesKaj
[16:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I did NOT say use /etc/grub
[16:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I specfically sad NOT to do that
[16:31] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know and i didn't
[16:31] <eagles0513875> i mounted my lvm partition
[16:32] <eagles0513875> then i went into the directory where i mounted the partition and looked in /boot and there was nothing at all in that directory
[16:32] <ikonia> nothing in /boot ?
[16:32] <eagles0513875> only thing i can think of is that for some odd reason grub is getting installed to the MBR of the usb device
[16:32] <eagles0513875> no nothing in boot
[16:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: even if it went to the mbr of a different disk there still should be files in /boot
[16:33] <eagles0513875> I'm not seeing any sadly
[16:33] <ikonia> then your install has not worked
[16:33] <eagles0513875> ok will try again later right now i need to shower and head to church
[16:33] <ikonia> if /boot is empty, then your install has failed
[16:34] <ikonia> why are you installing with a usb disk in
[16:38] <dusoft> hello
[16:38] <dusoft> anyone can help with this strange and rare problem on kubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138641/message-call-to-lnusertemp-failed-temporary-directories-full-check-your-ins
[16:41] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i find them quicker to create using unetbootin but i do have a cd burt will try again with that
[16:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: again you have done the opposite of what I told you
[16:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: for the test I specfcially told you to use the alternative CD
[16:43] <ikonia> you ignored that and did a minimal install
[16:43] <ikonia> I then specfically told you AGAIN to use the alternative CD
[16:43] <ikonia> you have again ignored that and used a usb stick
[16:43] <ikonia> what is the point of asking for help to continue to ignore the direction given
[16:44] <dusoft> what could this mean? Message “Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation?” displayed in X before KDM
[16:45] <eagles0513875> ikonia: downloading alternate iso now
[16:45] <ikonia> why do you continue to ignore direction
[16:45] <ikonia> you are really starting to annoy me with this continued asking for help and then ignoring the information despite being told a second time to follow it exactly after you ignored it the first time
[16:46] <eagles0513875> :-/ well I'm not ignoring it now
[16:46] <ikonia> I shouldn't be having to ask you 3 times to follow the instructions given to you, why am I working to make you follow the instructions, it's just not worth the effort
[16:46] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you shouldn't have ignored it the first two times !
[16:46] <eagles0513875> agreed
[16:46] <ikonia> more so after I told you how tedious/insulting it was for you to do it after the first time
[16:47] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's probably best you find your own way, as it's clear spending time trying to help/guide you is wasted
[16:47] <eagles0513875> :(
[16:48] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, if you have other ideas about methods of doing things , say so then Ikonia can advise you .
[16:49] <ikonia> no point continuing
[16:49] <eagles0513875> i was trying to do what he said in regards to editing the grub file in /boot
[16:49] <eagles0513875> thats what i was trying to do. my question is what is the difference between the alternate iso and the normal iso
[16:49] <ikonia> after you installed the way I explitly told you NOT TO
[16:49] <ikonia> come on you know the difference
[16:49] <ikonia> we discussed some minor ones in #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:49] <ikonia> especially the lvm differences that you wanted
[16:49] <ikonia> so why ignore that advice
[16:50] <ikonia> and when you ignored it I said "do not ignore the direction do it this way" you ignore it again
[16:50] <ikonia> what is the point in wasting the time and effort to listen to your issues, offer advise/solutions for you to ignore it over and over again
[16:50] <ikonia> I thought you'd stop it after I told you it was really rude less than an hour again
[16:50] <ikonia> ago
[16:50] <ikonia> pretty annoyed that you've ignored it again
[16:50] <eagles0513875> :(
[16:51] <ikonia> it's probably best you find your own way, as there is zero point trying to help you when you ignore it
[16:51] <eagles0513875> today isn't my day my mind is in the clouds so to speak
[16:51] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with the clouds
[16:51] <ikonia> it's you not listening or being too ignorant/know it all to actually do what you are told to do
[16:52] <eagles0513875> if anything stubborn
[16:52] <ikonia> no, it's not stubborn
[16:52] <ikonia> it's ignorant/know it all better]
[16:52] <ikonia> which again, leads back to the pointless task of trying to help you
[16:52] <ikonia> everytime I get "you're too hard on him, give him a chance"
[16:53] <ikonia> I try to help/give me time, to then have this same loop over and over
[16:53] <ikonia> it's just insulting and rude as well as a wate of time
[16:54] <robin0800> ikonia: why not just block him now
[16:54] <ikonia> I'm done, I've said it's best he finds his own way, thats fine
[16:58] <BluesKaj> ikonia, perhaps eagles0513875 become somewhat obessesed with solving the USB install problem and placed your instructions on the back burner
[16:58] <ikonia> then mentioning "I'm not tyring to resolve the grub boot option issue at the moment, I'm trying to resolve some USB issue I've not mentioned earlier" would be a useful comment
[17:01] <eagles0513875> i also forgot to mention i setup the lvm stuff using the net install cd
[17:01] <eagles0513875> at this point i am trying to solve the grub issue
[17:01] <ikonia> you where supposed to setup the lvm stuff you wanted, that was the point of using the altnerative installer CD
[17:02] <eagles0513875> and it is setup
[17:02] <ikonia> (or at least one of the main reasons I told you to use the alternative CD)
[17:02] <illidan> hi, i am seriously worried here. Suddenly KDE said my homedrive is full.
[17:03] <ikonia> is it?
[17:03] <illidan> du -h says my entire root drive is almost full except 3gb, but how is this possible? i didnt copy anything
[17:03] <ikonia> illidan: du should show you where the big files/directories are, look what's in them
[17:03] <illidan> only thing is symlinks to much bigger drive in my folder
[17:04] <illidan> the big directory is my home folder, but ńo file in there is big nor are there many midsize files
[17:04] <ikonia> du will show you where the big files and directories are
[17:05] <ikonia> look at those
[17:05] <illidan> thats what i did
[17:05] <ikonia> ok - and where/what are the big files and directories
[17:05] <illidan> nowhere
[17:06] <illidan> but the size of the folder is said 41 gb
[17:06] <ikonia> illidan: please pastebin the output of "df -h"
[17:07] <illidan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/997673/
[17:07] <Daskreech> you could try ducks
[17:07] <ikonia> illidan: I asked fo the output of "df -h" not du
[17:07] <illidan> ducks?
[17:08] <illidan> df sry
[17:08] <illidan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/997676/
[17:08] <ikonia> illidan: ok, so it's not /home that's full
[17:08] <ikonia> it's / - which home sits off
[17:08] <ikonia> illidan: run "du -h" on / and look again for the big data
[17:09] <ikonia> du -hx sorry
[17:09] <ikonia> don't want to see other file systems
[17:10] <Daskreech> type sudo -i
[17:10] <Daskreech> then type alias ducks="du -cks * | sort -rn | head -11"
[17:10] <Daskreech> then you can type ducks in any dir and it will tell you the 10 largest sets of files underneath it
[17:11] <Daskreech> so if you go to / or /home and type ducks it will tell you what's using the most space under it
[17:13] <illidan> this http://paste.ubuntu.com/997689/  it is my home directiry
[17:14] <illidan> could it be that a symlink to a 2,5 tb drive is counted?
[17:14] <ikonia> no
[17:15] <illidan> may vmware workstation have anything to do with it? i was about to create a vm but i did not yet run it and i put its folder on another drive
[17:16] <ikonia> depends if you created an image file that's taking up space
[17:16] <ikonia> again - du -xh will show you where the data is
[17:17] <illidan> well there is none
[17:17] <illidan> but the totals lie
[17:17] <ikonia> there is
[17:19] <ikonia> out of interest where is your symlink ?
[17:20] <illidan> akonadi and cache are both under 300mb and they are the biggest folders
[17:20] <ikonia> illidan: lots of little data still adds up
[17:20] <ikonia> doesn't have to be 1 40GB directory
[17:20] <ikonia> where is the symlink ?
[17:20] <illidan> ~/data to /data/home/user/  and ~/storage to /storage         and there are not much files
[17:21] <ikonia> illidan: please show me the output of ls -la ~/storage in a pastebin please.
[17:22] <illidan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/997717/
[17:22] <ikonia> so that's all clean
[17:22] <ikonia> check the same with /data
[17:22] <ikonia> oops
[17:22] <ikonia> ~/data
[17:22] <FloodBotK1> ikonia: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:23] <illidan> same
[17:23] <illidan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/997720/
[17:23] <ikonia> so then the data must be the adding up of all of the little bits and bobs in /home/$user
[17:23] <illidan> but the target is not colored like at storage
[17:23] <ikonia> probably that target doesn't exist
[17:24] <ikonia> what colour was the storage link
[17:24] <illidan> storage is white on blue background and data is bluishpurple on normal black
[17:24] <ikonia> that's odd
[17:24] <ikonia> illidan: I'd check both those links are there and accessable
[17:25] <ikonia> red normally means they are broken
[17:25] <illidan> mount says sdc3 is still mounted at /data
[17:25] <ikonia> but I'd check they are there and accessable as there is clearly something "different" about them
[17:25] <ikonia> illidan: try following the links, cd into them etc
[17:26] <illidan> when browsing storage with dolphin through the link i noticed it says total size is 4 kib
[17:27] <BluesKaj> is it odd not to have data or storage in / ?
[17:27] <ikonia> total size of what ?
[17:27] <illidan> of storages main folder
[17:27] <ikonia> BluesKaj: you mean the mount point ?
[17:27] <illidan> yes
[17:27] <BluesKaj> ikonia, no i mean root
[17:27] <ikonia> BluesKaj: sorry say again, I didn't follow properly
[17:28] <illidan> but when looked at without using the link its the 600 gib like they are
[17:28] <ikonia> illidan: you're probably seeing the size of the symlink file
[17:28] <illidan> inkonia: But why could that be?
[17:29] <ikonia> because the actual symlink is small as a file
[17:29] <ikonia> it's the directory it links to that's big
[17:29] <illidan> oh sry i was confused a bit
[17:30] <illidan> i mean how could it be that somehow it may be counted i the roots hierarchy?
[17:30] <ikonia> no
[17:30] <ikonia> illidan: easy way to check, unmount the targets
[17:31] <illidan> still 41 gb
[17:31] <ikonia> ok, so you've proved it's not the links
[17:31] <ikonia> it's in your homedir
[17:34] <illidan> there is no filer bigger than 500 mb, about 10 files in the range 100-300 mb and the smaller files are less than 100 and under 1 mb
[17:34] <ikonia> that can't be right
[17:36] <L3top> !info gdmap
[17:36] <illidan> wait
[17:36] <illidan> after umounting the symlink to storage exists but the one to data is gone, still there is no data folder
[17:36] <Daskreech> Check your hidden dirs
[17:36] <Daskreech> oh
[17:37] <Daskreech> check ~/.xsession-errors
[17:37] <illidan> no .xsession-errors there
[17:37] <illidan> i am looking wrong sry
[17:37] <illidan> is ther
[17:37] <illidan> XD
[17:40] <illidan> now my system lags extremely... data symlink is there but sorted to somewhere else because the target folder does not exist. the storage symlink still works because the folder /storage exists as empty one after umounting. and xsession-errors is empty
[17:41] <illidan> now kde begins failing hard as space on / is considered full
[17:42] <illidan> when cat 'ing the xsession errors its full write fails and and getsystemclock fails
[17:43] <illidan> may it be... no... / is an ssd, could this be the moment when their lifetime is exceeded?
[17:44] <Daskreech> illidan: df -h says what now?
[17:45] <illidan>  /dev/sdb2 56gb size 53 gb used avail 32mb mounted on / , nothing else big
[17:45] <illidan> only standard mounts, no additional drives
[17:45] <Daskreech> 32 mb?
[17:46] <illidan> i dont know
[17:49] <illidan> entire drive was used about 10-12 gib yesterday. today i did backup my phone contacts with wammu and after that i wanted to make a windows vm to install mass effect in it, but i was still in the creation dialog when kde said drive is full
[17:49] <Aranel> After 12.04 upgrade now plasma-desktop doesn't start with "org.kde.kded not provided by any .service files" :/ Can you help me?
[17:50] <illidan> is there any install log for apt ?
[17:50] <Daskreech> illidan: type sudo -i
[17:50] <illidan> already
[17:50] <Daskreech> then alias ducks="du -cks * | sort -rn | head -11"
[17:50] <Daskreech> cd / && ducks
[17:51] <Daskreech> it will give what's taking up space
[17:51] <Daskreech> go into the top first or second dir when it returns whichever you think more suspcious and type ducks again
[17:51] <Daskreech>  It will bring you to what ever is taking up space
[17:51] <Daskreech> I'd guess either /var/log or something hidden in your ~ dir
[17:53] <illidan> i did that already on advise of ikonia
[17:53] <illidan> it is my home folder showing the total of 41 gib whats totally not normally possible
[17:54] <illidan> but all the filesizes in there summed dont give 41
[17:54] <illidan> i mean without filtering the result with head
[18:01] <illidan> when i reboot and its suddenly back to normal, i will bring doom over something
[18:02]  * illidan rebbots
[18:06] <Daskreech> Which means I presume that he didn't check his hidden dirs
[18:06] <Daskreech> du -sh ~/.local would be interesting
[18:27] <Daskreech> As a note rebooting when you have no HDD space is never a smart move under any OS
[18:39] <illidan> Daskreech, ikonia, the 43 gib drive filling file was the .xsession-errors file, but I wasnt able to access it while logged in, in rescue mode it was visible. so I deleted it and everything seems back to normal. is there anything that breaks when / was full?
[18:40] <Daskreech> illidan: Ah thought you said that didn't exist?
[18:40] <Daskreech> illidan: Was full? no. Is full? yes
[18:40] <illidan> Daskreech: it was there but not accesible while logged in x, but in rescue mode i could delete it
[18:41] <illidan> Daskreech: how could it grow that big?
[18:41] <Daskreech> illidan: errors?
[18:41] <qbit> I had .xsession-errors fill like that from a bug in strigi indexing
[18:42] <Daskreech> Yeah me too. Still have it archived. was 68 GB
[18:42] <Daskreech> illidan: how was it not accessible ?
[18:42] <qbit> I turned it off and left nepomuk running, supposedly it was fixed in later kde updates but I haven't turned it back on to see as I don't use it
[18:42] <illidan> it was not shown with ls -la and not mentioned by du
[18:43] <illidan> well i dont use strigi much (since install not one time), will turn it off
[18:44] <qbit> you need nepomuk for kmail2 and kontact, etc, but I found I didn't really need strigi
[18:45] <Daskreech> du would not mention it ls -la should. You may have missed it?
[18:45] <illidan> which turns only strigi off? semantic desktop or file indexer
[18:45] <qbit> never really knew how related the two are to the bug, but the .xseesion-errors filing up a drive was a well known symptom
[18:45] <Daskreech> file indexer
[18:45] <qbit> yes - you can turn off strigi without having to disable nepomuk
[18:46] <Daskreech> Yeah it's either a very badly formatted set of files or a bug with Kmail trying to feed nepomuk data and the two getting into a very verbose discussion
[18:47] <qbit> then watch the ,xsession-errors file for runaway growth - I believe turning off strigi should damp that down
[18:47] <qbit> I had a drive fill up that way too   :-)
[18:48] <illidan> i have an unused 30 gb partition left on my data drive, is it reasonable to moveandsymlink .xsession-errors over there?
[18:50] <illidan> hm the file growth since deletetion was 0 to 43 kib on login and is 203 kib now
[18:51] <qbit> mine is currently 382KB
[18:51] <qbit> and these figures are reasonable as they contain all the other output from desktop/Qt widget spew
[18:52] <qbit> it's when it runs away and starts taking gigs of space is when it is abnormal
[18:52] <illidan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/997867/ this stuff is what made most of the lines in the file i deleted.
[18:53] <qbit> that looks fairly normal, as in it resembles mine
[18:55] <illidan> also teh internets say, ssds get slower when you fill/almost fill them. when i deleted the file in rescue mode i forgot to mount with discard flag, will sandforce or the kernel do garbage collection or do trim afterwards?
[18:56] <qbit> how agressive garbage collection is will vary by firmware
[18:56] <qbit> and background garbage collection is supposed to wait for idle
[18:57] <yofel> there's an fstrim command which will try to trim all free blocks (use at your own risk), but I'm not sure if it's really worth the trouble
[18:57] <qbit> I took the disacrd out of my fstab, and used to use the old hdparm's wiper.sh with GUI down and logged in as root to console
[18:58] <qbit> these days I use fstrim as it's designed to be used on mounted file systems safely
[18:58] <illidan> wiper.sh contains --security-erase commands?
[18:58] <qbit> never used the security erase
[18:58] <qbit> thought that would entail reinstalling OS and formatting and all that stuff
[18:59] <illidan> its my stnadard mehtod of wiping is quick and works perfectly
[18:59] <illidan> i mean when i really wipe everything from the drive
[18:59] <illidan> or does wiper wipe only free space?
[18:59] <Daskreech> no security erase is a multiple wipe. then a zero of the used blocks
[18:59] <qbit> I do fstrim about once a month or after deleting large chunks of stuff, which I don't do very often
[18:59] <TCH> hi
[19:00] <TCH> can someone help me a bit with xrandr?
[19:01] <lordievader> TCH: Sure what is wrong?
[19:01] <TCH> i have an LG 900B Studioworks monitor
[19:01] <TCH> i would like to run some old games wich uses 320x240 or 320x200
[19:02] <TCH> i know my monitor is capable of these modes
[19:02] <qbit> for me when drive throughput gets down to about 200MB/s from such deletions doing the fstrim gets it right back up to the 240MB/s I usually have and then the background G.C. keeps it sane
[19:02] <TCH> but i cannot switch to these
[19:02] <lordievader> TCH: And now you want to foce those resolutions?
[19:02] <TCH> yes
[19:02] <TCH> i read some tips on the net with adding modes
[19:03] <TCH> and use some frequency calculators
[19:03] <lordievader> TCH: Follow this guide: lordievader ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[19:03] <lordievader> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[19:03] <TCH> but none of them worked
[19:03] <TCH> i am reading your post
[19:03] <lordievader> TCH: The link I gave you does work, I use it myself to force a monitor to 1280X1024
[19:04] <TCH> i'll try it, thanks
[19:04] <illidan> qbit: did fstrim ever mess something up? can I run it while browsing or should i run it from tty without logins?
[19:05] <qbit> illidan: so far as I've used it I've been lucky and it has never messed anything up - but I've always done it from console with no X or GUI running
[19:06] <TCH> i've got that xrandr error again when i use addmode
[19:06] <TCH> can i copy the message to here?
[19:06] <illidan> qbit: how long does it take?
[19:06] <lordievader> !paste | TCH
[19:06] <TCH> 6 rows
[19:07] <qbit> illidan: my desktop kubuntu is on a 30G partition and only uses about 7 or 8 gig of that - and it takes about 3-4 minutes
[19:07] <TCH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/997887/
[19:07] <TCH> here they are
[19:08] <TCH> just a minute i post the whole session to another page
[19:09] <TCH> extended version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/997889/
[19:10] <TCH> any idea?
[19:12] <lordievader> TCH: I'm afraid to say that I have no idea...
[19:13] <lordievader> TCH: 640x480 doesn't cut it? How are you trying to play these games? Through wine?
[19:13] <TCH> yes
[19:13] <lordievader> TCH: Try giving wine a virtual resolution, or in other words run it in windowed mode.
[19:13] <TCH> 640x480 would be ok, if i could force wine to double the pixels
[19:14] <TCH> i would like to play in fullscreen
[19:15] <lordievader> TCH: I'd say playing in windowed mode is better than not playing at all...
[19:15] <TCH> i know, i play them that way now
[19:16] <TCH> actually i can switch to fullscreen, but the picture is only quarter sized of the screen
[19:16] <TCH> can you suggest a channel where xrandr is the main topic?
[19:16] <TCH> maybe they can tell me what are these opcode errors means
[19:17] <TCH> (google did not helped)
[19:17] <lordievader> TCH: That is something unkown to me, perhaps some one else knows.
[19:18] <TCH> ok, thanks for the help anyway
[19:18] <lordievader> TCH: Sure no problem, and good luck!
[19:19] <TCH> thanks
[19:21] <illidan> qbit: thanks, bye
[19:22] <qbit> best wishes
[19:22] <illidan> Daskreech: thanks, bye
[19:48] <TCH> i have found a workaround
[19:48] <TCH> x is capable of rescaling the screen
[19:48] <TCH> xrandr --output CRT1 --mode 640x480 --scale 0.5x0.5 --crtc 1
[19:49] <TCH> this command gives a 640x480 screen but with double the size, so it is looks like a 320x240 screen
[19:50] <lordievader> TCH: Lol, ok good to know!
[19:50] <Daskreech> :-)
[20:03] <TCH> okay thanks guys, i am leaving now
[20:03] <TCH> bye
[20:06] <Daskreech> Bye
[20:32] <Dan39> how to set stuff to delete, not go to trash in dolphin? or maybe move the trash location from /tmp to /home/tmp or something
[20:32] <Dan39> delete files and it fills up / partition fast :\
[20:33] <qbit> in Dolphin ->settings ->General -> Context Menu -> click box 'Show 'Delete' command
[20:34] <qbit> then when you right-click you can delete w/o having to go throw Trash
[20:35] <Dan39> delete key still goes to trash tho?
[20:35] <Dan39> cant change that?
[20:35] <qbit> not sure , never do it that way
[20:35] <Dan39> shift-delete is permanent, so i figured it configurable
[20:36] <qbit> yeah - that would probably be under the key-bindings area
[20:36] <qbit> but I tried it and you're right - just 'delete' key and it goes in Trash
[20:40] <Dan39> hmm
[20:40] <Dan39> no one else has problems with /home and / partitions, and / being so small?
[20:46] <Daskreech> Dan39: Small?
[20:46] <Dan39> 20 GB
[20:47] <Daskreech> I've never used more than 7 GB for /
[20:48] <Daskreech> Home is ofcourse a different beast and depends on each person
[20:48] <Dan39> yea and... you try deleting something big and it going to trash? :\
[20:48] <Daskreech> in any case you probably can set the delete key to be delete instead of trash
[20:48] <Daskreech>  I normally just shift delete if I want something really gone
[21:16] <phoenix_firebrd> does the home folder have a limit?
[21:16] <Joit> just pysical
[21:17] <phoenix_firebrd> Dan39: what do you mean by /home being small?
[21:17] <Joit> but i would anyway make it manually and make home at a seperate partition
[21:18] <Joit> or use another hdd. that way you can update the system and allways keep your home folder
[21:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: i know, but Dan39 said /home and root being small , i am wondering about that
[21:18] <Joit> yeah i read that :D. i think his hdd is at last 20gb
[21:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: oh, in that case he should relocate his home folder somewhere like you told
[21:19] <Joit> when you have some videos or dvds then it can be fast small
[21:20] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: seems hes back in his game
[21:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: ya, thats why i always make root partition with plenty space. but still as you said the videos could easily consume it
[21:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: game?
[21:21] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd:  he mentioned something like that.
[21:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: oh
[21:22] <Daskreech> I've updated my / to about 15 GB now
[21:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: thats good, 7 gb is too low
[21:22] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: what is your average space what your / folder needs actually, just wonder, and i did not install a lot stuff right now
[21:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: let me check
[21:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: root without home folder is 3.5
[21:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: i usually use 100 gb for root
[21:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: now i am using 30 gb, since i use another linux install
[21:26] <Joit> thats a bit, i think 20 gb can be quickly to small
[21:27] <Joit> i got a neat miniprogramm for monitoring the space on the hdd, but i accidently did close it
[21:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: Not for me,i store media files separately in another partition
[21:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: the plasma widget?
[21:28] <Joit> not sure what it was. i have to look for it again. i did close it.  Well, gladly i dont have a lot media files. but sounds like a good idea too, to have a sperate space for that
[21:28] <BluesKaj> getting by here wit 10G for /
[21:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: nice, Daskreech was with 7 gb
[21:30] <phoenix_firebrd> i use a lot of applications, so i need to have a lot of space for root
[21:33] <phoenix_firebrd> I am using a 64 bit kubuntu 12.04, i have installed 32 bit app using the dpkg arch  check override. Now whenever i what to install any package, muon or apt wants to remove the 32 bit app. i tried the option "lock" in muon,  it didn't help
[21:39] <Daskreech> I've never used more than 7Gb but when I did reach there I decided to move up from 10 GB to 15
[21:40] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: TO be clear my / is/was 10 GB but in actual use I've not actually consumed more than 7
[21:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: oh. are you using netbook?
[21:40] <Joit> i have home with 10,7gb. and my root is 21 gb. wonder what did happen there lol
[21:40] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: No desktop
[21:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: have you used the autoremove of apt?
[21:41] <Daskreech> Joit: You happen to be you :)
[21:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: nice
[21:41] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: i dont thin kso
[21:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: remove old and unwanted packages
[21:42] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd: i will try that
[21:43] <Joit> it free's 18 mb, not that much
[21:43] <Daskreech> Joit: also tru du -sh /var/cache/apt
[21:47] <Joit> there are also only 1,6gb there
[21:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: use filelight application to see what hogs your root
[21:52] <Joit> phoenix_firebrd:  lol, now filelights shows me 8 gb at root and 12 gb at home
[21:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: :)
[21:53] <Joit> i need to go off, lol, good night phoenix_firebrd
[21:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Joit: gn
[22:02] <Dan39> lol guys, i was saying i have seperate partitions for / and /home. with / being the small one
[22:02] <Dan39> /home is over 1 TB
[22:03] <Dan39> / is only 20 GB
[22:03] <Daskreech> Ah. That's not terribly small but doesn't make a difference if the file you are deleting is on the /home since the .Trash is in your home directory
[22:04] <Dan39> odd
[22:06] <Dan39> stuff was being put in /tmp/kde-username/dolphin-something
[22:06] <Daskreech> Dan39: It moves there temporarily while you move it
[22:07] <Dan39> o_O
[22:07] <Dan39> there was stuff left in there
[22:07] <Dan39> and what if i move a big file?
[22:07] <Dan39> hmm
[22:07] <Dan39> i should be able to change the "temp" directory somewheres
[22:07] <Dan39> that may do
[22:09] <Daskreech> well depending on what you are doing people either make a tmpfs or have a dedicated /tmp
[22:10] <Daskreech> assuming that you move around a lot of data /tmp can be very important
[22:10] <Dan39> i didnt say remove it lol
[22:10] <Dan39> i just said make it so /home/tmp is used instead of /tmp
[22:11] <Dan39> hmm
[22:12] <Daskreech> Mebbe :-)
[22:12] <Daskreech> $KDE_TEMP_DIR or some such
[22:27] <neo69> hi
[22:27] <neo69> how can I remove a app from kubuntu startup?
[22:28] <neo69> the one I want to remove is apache
[22:29] <Daskreech> neo69: remove it from your services
[22:30] <neo69> Daskreech: where?
[22:30] <Daskreech> neo69: I'm checking. It's an upstart thing
[22:32] <neo69> Darkwing: ok, thanks
[22:36] <phoenix_firebrd> I am using a 64 bit kubuntu 12.04, i have installed 32 bit app using the dpkg arch  check override. Now whenever i what to install any package, muon or apt wants to remove the 32 bit app. i tried the option "lock" in muon,  it didn't help
[22:54] <Daskreech> try hold in aptitude ?
[22:59] <neo69> Daskreech: I found it out
[23:00] <neo69> or use update-rc.d or do it manually on /etc/rc*.d folders
[23:00] <neo69> Daskreech: ^^
[23:00] <neo69> Daskreech: on /etc/rc*.d there is a text file explaining how
[23:01] <phoenix_firebrd> neo69: did you try disabling it through settings-> startup and shutdown-> service manager?
[23:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: are you talking about the aptitude to me?
[23:04] <neo69> phoenix_firebrd: apache isn't there
[23:04] <illidan> qbit, Daskreech: fstrim worked very well. as of now, the x session errors log is stable at about 160 kibs. I have a suspicion what made strigi go crazy, i imported my phone contacts to akonadi. It was a huge amount and a few contained umlauts or descriptive signs, may that have caused a glitch?
[23:08] <neo69> I'm back
[23:10] <phoenix_firebrd> neo69: can you check this folder "/etc/init.d/"
[23:21] <Daskreech> !upstart