[00:45] <martin_> ok, i have just installed xubuntu 7.10 and installation works just fine but when i try to boot the system i first see the spashscreen and the progressbar and everything looks fine until it hangs just after "running local start scripts" anyone recognice this?? any ideas?
[00:46] <martin_> also, when i boot up in recoverymode i get now network connection, hast worked great before with earlyer distros...
[01:15] <th3man> hello
[01:15] <th3man> why does my titlebar disappear after installing compiz?
[01:15] <th3man> has anyone else have that problem?
[01:21] <neozen> sorry... just joined
[01:22] <neozen> which problem is this?
[02:27] <brokensambot> Hi, is there a fast user type switching mech in Xubuntu 7.10?
[02:40] <brokensambot> gnomefreak just joined Xubuntu, irony :)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> brokensambot: im always here
[02:41] <brokensambot> xfcefreak?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> im just checking in to see if i can poush package. i used to be that nick as well as other freak nicks but got rid of alot of them
[02:42] <brokensambot> Nice
[02:42] <gnomefreak> i sign packages use gnomefreak as nicks for Lp wiki and such so i use this most of time
[02:43] <brokensambot> You don't know of a fast user switching alt for Xubuntu do you?
[02:43] <brokensambot> Fast user switching works so nice on my main box I must have it for my server ;)
[02:43] <gnomefreak> brokensambot: if there isnt one you an use gnomes iirc you have to use the gnome-applet think for xfce
[02:44] <gnomefreak> i dont think xubuntu added one
[02:51] <yotux> can can anyone assist in getting network card to work?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> yotux: sorry thats too much thinking at this time a night for me or i would love to
[02:53] <yotux> its weird it sees my card list my card but the card doesn't pull an IP thankz for the reply though
[02:59] <yotux> gnomefreak 1000mb card recommendation?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> dont know ask me in morning i am not much help tonight i had to take painkillers
[03:00] <gnomefreak> i do need a smoke brb
[03:00] <yotux> ok thankz
[03:01] <ICXCNIKA> Does Xubuntu utilize ShipIt? I would download the iso file and put it to a disk, but unfortunately I don't have a cd burner.
[03:02] <gnomefreak> ICXCNIKA: not yet afaik
[03:03] <ICXCNIKA> oh
[03:54] <user1> can someone help gnome-mount doesnt work
[03:55] <user1> gnome-umount is broke too
[03:56] <user1> please???
[04:09] <Rynux91> I'm starting to think my computer is too old for Xubuntu 7.10
[04:09] <Rynux91> or my computer is running a practical exam on me...
[04:12] <Rynux91> So far, the problems I've had are, Terminal Crashes X Server, Broken Packages, Unable to update using update manager and unable to fix using Synaptic
[04:39] <niuq> hi, i'm having problems installing xubuntu
[04:39] <niuq> while the installation is in process, a message appears
[04:40] <niuq> (297.799458) out of memory: kill process 3512 (localedef score 542 or a child)
[05:12] <Rynux91> any active members here?
[06:15] <frig_> during the ubuntu loading screen, is the screen set to an 800x600 display mode?
[07:16] <sve1> hey all
[07:45] <jrsims> Is there a way to get xubuntu to redetect my display settings like it did during install?
[07:46] <jrsims> I tried to use a second display, and that failed. So now I am stuck in low graphics mode.
[07:46] <jrsims> No way back
[07:46] <jrsims> bad bad bad
[07:46] <jrsims> bad form
[07:47] <jrsims> Oh, and every time I log out and back in, the fonts get smaller each time
[08:23] <giulio> Hello, what can i do to autoload snd-sb16 modules at every boot? Adding snd-sb16 in /etc/modules is ok? Tya
[09:28] <fbn> hi, where can I configure laptop power savings (suspend after XX minutes of inactivity and so on) on xubuntu?
[09:28] <fbn> on ubuntu there was a app in system menu called energieverwaltung (sorry don't know the english word)
[09:48] <rzimek78> hello, I'm a newbe in Xfce. I've installed samba, but how in Xubuntu search for local computers in local net?
[09:49] <TheSheep> rzimek78: if you want a gui tool for that, pyneighbourhood does that
[09:49] <rzimek78> ok, :)
[09:57] <rzimek78> but there's a problem, because I can't even look into the folder that I share in pyNeighborhood - "Failed to mount" :( why is it? Samba is configured good
[10:01] <TheSheep> rzimek78: I'm not sure, but I think that pyneighbourhood is using smbfs to mount the shares with fuse
[10:01] <TheSheep> !smbfs
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smbfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <TheSheep> hmm...
[10:13] <nikolam> Hello
[10:14] <nikolam> Does anyode here uses Xubuntu 7.10 64-bit and have one of ATI graphics cards and uses FGLRX driver?
[10:14] <nikolam> Could you please tell me, if you CAN start Open Office?
[10:16] <fbn> hi, is there any laptop power management in xubuntu?
[10:18] <nikolam> There were before on 7.04 in screen saver settings. (screen etc) Now on 7.10 I don`t know.
[11:04] <McLOVIN> hi
[11:05] <AlexC> hello
[11:05] <AlexC> lol, McLOVIN
[11:05] <AlexC> that was a crazy movie
[11:05] <McLOVIN> yes ^^
[11:10] <McLOVIN> i want to test the xubuntu live cd but after the blue-grey progress bar my monitor says "out of range"
[11:21] <nikolam> Try alternate install, or try passing vga  mode during boot
[11:27] <McLOVIN> i tried it with the safe graphic mode but the same thing happened
[11:39] <nikolam> Didi you try F4 - select graphics mode?
[11:40] <nikolam> What monitor do you use?
[11:43] <alzamon> I have a problem with my sound quality when playing movies with mplayer and when playing mp3's with cmus. The quality used to be good, but it seems that when fumbling around with codecs and different video/audio players I have messed things up. The sound card is Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] and I'm using ALSA.
[11:44] <alzamon> It sounds almost like when the speakers can't handle the volume.
[11:51] <nikolam> alzamon: You already know what it is.
[11:52] <nikolam> I would try to reinstall those restricted codecs from add/remove applications
[11:53] <McLOVIN> i use a normal lcd tft monitor
[11:54] <McLOVIN> and with the F4 selection i only tried the vga mode and the 1024*768 32bit mode
[11:55] <McLOVIN> maybe it's because of my graphics card?
[12:00] <nikolam> McLOVIN: And what graphics card
[12:00] <McLOVIN> nvidia geforce 7600 gs
[12:00] <nikolam> McLOVIN: Did you try to set lower resolution with F4?
[12:00] <McLOVIN> no just the high one and the standard vga mode
[12:02] <nikolam> Maybe this would help as boot option?
[12:02] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution?highlight=%20getty%20#12332751586536761693
[12:03] <nikolam> but it seem to me its the same as F4
[12:06] <McLOVIN> i will try out the other resolutions a bit later
[12:06] <McLOVIN> thx for you help
[12:07] <nikolam> ok pn
[12:12] <alzamon> niko: Sorry but I didn't quite understand. You would reinstall the codecs packages that I was messing with earlyer?
[12:16] <qwerkus> Hello all
[12:16] <qwerkus> did someone managed to get the framebuffer console working under gutsy ?
[12:18] <netdur> minimal req. to run xubuntu?
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> qwerkus: are you referring to the vga= options bugs?
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> netdur: 64 MB RAM, 1.5 GB HDD, 300 MHz CPU is what I'd guess off the top of my head, but 128 / 3 / 700 would be lots more comfortable
[12:24] <netdur> 128 RAM 4 GB 333 MHz ?
[12:25] <netdur> tonyyarusso: good specs?
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> netdur: probably good enough at least.
[12:26] <netdur> tonyyarusso: thanks
[12:58] <qwerkus> tonyyarusso: yes
[12:59] <tonyyarusso> qwerkus: in that case, no, but I'm also waiting
[12:59] <qwerkus> :(
[12:59] <qwerkus> any other way to get a fbconsole ?
[12:59] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[12:59] <qwerkus> k
[13:00] <qwerkus> let's wait
[15:15] <pfein> I upgraded to gutsy, and now I get two nm-applets... any idea?
[15:47] <keitherz> help
[15:54] <keitherz> hello?
[16:04] <keitherz_> nikolam
[16:04] <keitherz_> where are the ppl here
[16:52] <nikolam> here here
[16:53] <nikolam> :)
[16:56] <GodOfWalmart> Does anyone know what package I need to install to get the xenv program to test input from buttons to the x server?
[16:57] <GodOfWalmart> anyone?
[17:02] <feodor24> off blast
[17:02] <feodor24> hi all, guys
[17:04] <feodor24> I've got some strange problem with nvidia driver and need your help
[17:06] <feodor24> there's a 1.0-9631 NVIDIA driver installed on my Xubuntu right from the box but when benchmarking using Q3 I have only 32 FPS on Linux versus 48 FPS on Windows
[17:06] <feodor24> i mean that graphic acceleration works but it's so slo-o-o-owly when compirising with Win
[17:06] <feodor24> is it ok?
[17:07] <feodor24> glxgears works too but it gain only 800 FPS
[17:07] <GodOfWalmart> Does anyone know what package I need to install to get the xenv program to test input from buttons to the x server?
[17:08] <feodor24> I don't  know, unfortunatly
[17:08] <feodor24> GodOf, maybe u can help me? are u experienced user?
[17:09] <feodor24> I just dunno what to do - NVIDIA driver seems to be working ok but it's very slowly
[17:09] <GodOfWalmart> have you ran a top?
[17:09] <GodOfWalmart> see what's using your CPU?
[17:10] <feodor24> GodOf, u know, I'm absulotely shure that when render, my GPU using NVIDIA accelerated driver... but I just cannot understand why it is so slowly
[17:11] <feodor24> what's the top?
[17:11] <feodor24> oh, i see...
[17:11] <feodor24> just a minute..
[17:11] <feodor24> GodOf, so what proccess should eb listed in top to let me know it's ok?
[17:12] <sve1> hey, my comp freezes as soon as the login screen loads.  it's happened with other distros, but I don't know why
[17:12] <GodOfWalmart> sve1, freezes hard?
[17:13] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, should be the programs you are running
[17:13] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, someone on the forums reported mplayer running with two instances after an update and it was killing the CPU
[17:13] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, kill beagle and desktop search if you don't use them
[17:14] <sve1> Godof: yes.  the screen glitches and I can't use my mouse or keyboard.
[17:14] <GodOfWalmart> sve1, kill the xserver and check the logs, see what's causing it to crash. It might be something in your xorg.conf
[17:15] <feodor24> GodOf, no, it's ok with cpu and memory... everything's OK and other programs run well... only 3D seems to work so shitty
[17:15] <sve1>  Ok, I'll check that now
[17:16] <feodor24> GodOf, actually I'm a total noob in IRC :) tell me plz how can u make somebody from the room to know that u're addressing ur message to him/her?
[17:17] <feodor24> GodOf, i mean is there any way to address ur msg instead of typing ur reciever's nick firstly?
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> type my full name
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> or type part of it and hit tab
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> it should fill the rest of it out
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24,
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> see?
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> fed, no?
[17:17] <GodOfWalmart> Did you update your drivers?
[17:17] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: cool :)_ it works :) thanks alot
[17:18] <GodOfWalmart> np
[17:18] <GodOfWalmart> glad to help
[17:18] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: 1.0-9631 NVIDIA driver was just out-of-the box
[17:18] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: actually I was very surprised by this fact
[17:18] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, give me the output from the command uname -r
[17:19] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, yeah, it's nativly supported now
[17:19] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: 2.6.20-15-generic
[17:19] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, you've not updated have you?
[17:19] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: by the way, does GPL driver suck in comparison with NVIDIA's prop. driver?
[17:20] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: no, coz 9631 is the last driver's version my GPU's able to support
[17:20] <sve1> GodOfWalmart: where is xorg.conf?
[17:20] <feodor24> sve1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:21] <feodor24> sve1, but make a reserver copy firstly!:)
[17:21] <feodor24> reserv i mean
[17:21] <GodOfWalmart> yes!
[17:21] <GodOfWalmart> sve1, sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[17:22] <GodOfWalmart> feodor24, what do you mean by that? it should be what your GPU supports, rather what the kernel supports
[17:22] <sve1> feodor24: ty.,
[17:23] <feodor24> GodOfWalmart: i have GeForce 4 440 MX card. It's old and so it's ablt to support only "Legacy" drivers. Last legacy driver is 1.0-9631
[17:23] <GodOfWalmart> I have to go, sorry
[17:23] <feodor24> ok, bye and thank u for ur help
[17:23] <GodOfWalmart> the legacy drivers are still supported in newer kernels I'm pretty sure
[17:24] <feodor24> ok, i'll go to ubuntu channel instead of sleeping xubuntu one and ask those guys about it
[17:38] <Gabriella> Can someone help me with a simple problem?
[17:38] <Gabriella> I accidentally removed my top and bottom task bars
[17:38] <Gabriella> Any idea how I can get them back
[17:42] <TheSheep> Gabriella: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[17:47] <Gabriella> Haha!
[17:47] <Gabriella> I thank you good sir
[17:53] <nikolam> Hey, hello
[17:53] <nikolam> Does anyone use 64-bit xubuntu 7.10
[17:53] <nikolam> and fglrx ATI graphics driver?
[17:54] <nikolam> I need someone to confirm bug regarding OpenOffice with fglrx
[17:54] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/155372
[17:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155372 in openoffice.org "Open Office does not start when using fglrx ATI driver." [Unknown,Confirmed]
[18:00] <tax0n> hi folks
[18:00] <tax0n> any xubuntu website admin around?
[18:07] <nikolam> What`s wrong? (I am just user like you)
[18:08] <tax0n> unless your admin on the xubuntu site you probably can't help
[18:08] <tax0n> one of the mirror links on the main page points to spam
[18:13] <nikolam> Which one?
[18:13] <nikolam> http://xubuntu.uberhax.org/releases/6.06.1/release.1/
[18:13] <nikolam> Is this one?
[18:37] <fairway> hi all
[18:37] <fairway> what dvd player is recommended in xubuntu?
[18:39] <wbadger> I like vlc
[18:39] <fairway> how to install?
[18:40] <wbadger> sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:40] <wbadger> or in synaptic
[18:42] <fairway> k thx
[18:51] <neozen> ....ok
[18:51] <neozen> just installed gutsy
[18:51] <neozen> correction... upgraded to gutsy from feisty
[18:52] <neozen> ...having some font issues
[18:52] <neozen> mainly in eclipse...
[18:52] <neozen> which was installed using a zip from eclipse.org NOT the repositories
[18:52] <neozen> font sizes in iteditor are huge and bold.....
[18:52] <neozen> *its editor
[18:53] <wbadger> I think you should change a preference in eclipse
[18:55] <neozen> I completely whacked out eclipse's preference folder (.mozilla/eclipse)
[18:55] <neozen> ...no change
[18:56] <neozen> :(
[19:00]  * neozen finally finds eclipses default settings and kicks them...
[19:00] <graelb> Hi, Is there any reason you can think of that would make my TTY's not be visible?
[19:03] <zoredache> eh?
[19:03] <zoredache> what do you mean not visible?
[19:03] <zoredache> are you saying the device node doesn't exist in /dev or something else?
[19:04] <graelb> when i go Ctrl+alt+F2, i get a black screen
[19:04] <graelb> which then cycles througth a bunch of colors
[19:05] <graelb> I'm on gutsy btw
[19:05] <graelb> I found a bug report *looking through it*
[19:08] <zoredache> wow, that sounds unusual...
[19:10] <metsika> salut :)
[19:11] <metsika> Quand aurat on droit a xubuntu avec gusty gibbon ? :o
[19:11] <graelb> here's the report btw
[19:11] <graelb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[19:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux-source-2.6.22 "tty[1-6] are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[19:12] <metsika> and why?
[19:46] <Ben_Cs> hello
[19:47] <Ben_Cs> each time i try to run gutsy livecd i get to the progress bar and then it exits to "busybox" wtf?!
[19:48] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: usually this means a bad burn or a bad download
[19:49] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: sometimes it might be just the cd drive unable to read the cd
[19:49] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep i burned it twise/ bad download? sure? i'm downloading dapper for test
[19:50] <TheSheep> !md5 | Ben_Cs
[19:50] <ubotu> Ben_Cs: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[19:50] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: verifying from menu there brings me to busybox aswell
[19:51] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: verufy the iso you downloaded
[19:51] <TheSheep> verify
[19:51] <h3sp4wn> There is an option on the boot menu to check the disk use that
[19:51] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: there is md5 checksum availbale where you got it
[19:51] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: he just said it gives him busybox too :(
[19:52] <Ben_Cs> but i can't get to kernel at all
[19:52] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: do it on the computer on which you downloaded and burned the cd
[19:52] <Ben_Cs> k
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: Interesting I never needed to use that (just knew of its existance)
[19:57] <Ben_Cs> the winxp sees the cd as blank cd. so i can't access what i need to run checksum on it
[19:57] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it shouldn't be seen as blank
[19:58] <Ben_Cs> but it is
[19:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: besides, you are supposed o check the iso you donwlaoded, not the cd
[19:58] <Ben_Cs> i deleted the iso
[19:58] <Ben_Cs> nevermind wil try dapper
[19:58] <TheSheep> ah, then there is no use checking, just redownload :)
[20:03] <Ben_Cs> desided to redownload gutsy cause dapper has old version of eclipse
[20:33] <topyli> i installed xubuntu last night on my old desktop. nice enough
[20:33] <topyli> however, it uses the system beep quite liberally. how do i turn it off?
[20:39] <TheSheep> topyli: when does it beep?
[20:41] <topyli> TheSheep: for example when i press backspace the beginning of a line
[20:41] <topyli> in terminal, or an text entry box
[20:42] <topyli> maybe it think it's an error. "you can't go back!" :)
[20:42] <TheSheep> you can disable the beeps in the terminal
[20:42] <evil_tech> has anyone gotten compiz working?
[20:43] <TheSheep> !compiz | evil_tech
[20:43] <ubotu> evil_tech: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[20:43] <TheSheep> topyli: in ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc
[20:45] <topyli> TheSheep: thanks :)
[20:45] <topyli> the pidgin text entry box still beeps though
[20:48] <topyli> actually, pidgin is the only one beeping on the desktop. the consoles beep too. i'll figure them out
[20:53] <topyli> all in all, i find xfce quite sexy: http://i22.tinypic.com/n4gsbk.png
[20:53] <topyli> (normally i'm a die-hard gnome fellow)
[20:59] <jerbear> does anyone use nx with xfce?
[21:01] <zoredache> one of my coworkers does...
[22:15] <neur2> hello
[22:15] <neur2> bye
[22:20] <runokiab> hi
[22:20] <runokiab> after updating to 7.10 I cannot get the mixer button added to the xfce-panel
[22:20] <runokiab> is that a known bug? is there a workaround?
[22:21] <runokiab> ah ok https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+bug/144142
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144142 in xfce4-panel "if i try to add the xfce4-mixer-plugin it does not show up in the panel (dup-of: 90261)" [Undecided,New]
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90261 in xfce4-mixer "Volume Control plugin can't be added to xfce4-panel" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[22:26] <runokiab> that's really annoying for my using habits
[22:56] <evil_tech> !compiz
[22:56] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[22:58] <machaddock> something is messed up with my home folder icon in the top panel. Can you help me fix it?
[22:58] <machaddock> anyone?
[23:01] <machaddock> god damn it there is never anyone active on this channel
[23:05] <zoredache> there are people tht are active... just not necesarly knowledgable
[23:06] <zoredache> as for the 'home' icon in the top panel right click on it and hit properties...
[23:06] <zoredache> when I look at mine I see that the icon is 'user-home.png'
[23:09] <Adriaan_> Hey people
[23:09] <zoredache> hello
[23:09] <Adriaan_> So the Gibbons are out... I read Ubuntu has a lot of bugs and stuff, but how about Xubuntu 7.10?
[23:10] <Adriaan_> I'd like to know it before I download it
[23:10] <Adriaan_> :)
[23:11] <evil_tech> i suppose it would depend on what you are doing
[23:11] <Adriaan_> what do you mean?
[23:11] <zoredache> the system is useable on my computer.  There is a issue I am having with libpam_mount.  But I am not convinced it isn't something I have done to myself
[23:12] <evil_tech> i am using it just for email word processing movie watching etc and ive ran into no bugs yet
[23:12] <evil_tech> but if you need more advance things just judging for traffic there may be bugs that could cause you problems
[23:13] <evil_tech> upgrading seems to break some things
[23:13] <Adriaan_> I'm going to download the install CD and reconfigure the whole system
[23:13] <Adriaan_> so that shouldn't be a problem
[23:14] <Adriaan_> But I won't use it for complicated programs
[23:15] <evil_tech> i'd do a full install from the disc rather than upgrade
[23:16] <Adriaan_> yup, it's easier to just save imprtant files on an extern memory
[23:17] <SuicideCow> Hi
[23:18] <SuicideCow> So this is the Xubuntu IRC channel right?
[23:18] <Adriaan_> :-) Alright, thanks for letting me know the state of the Gibbon, I'm doing it tomorrow [tomorrow's a long day and I'm really tired]
[23:18] <Adriaan_> yes it is
[23:18] <SuicideCow> Great, i have a problem with my deployement of Xubuntu on an old Acer laptop :P
[23:19] <Adriaan_> good luck with that, but I can't help you with that
[23:19] <zoredache> are you going to ask us about the problem or are you just sharing?
[23:19] <SuicideCow> Im going to ask about the problem :P
[23:19] <SuicideCow> The problem is:
[23:19] <evil_tech> yay I got COMPIZ working :D
[23:20] <SuicideCow> Im trying to install Xubuntu on an Acer 517TE Laptop, but it is taking forever, it is sitting at the desktop for nearly 20 minutes without the 2 taskbars, and if i click on an icon nothing happenes
[23:21] <evil_tech> what are the specs on the machine
[23:21] <zoredache> you might want to consider using the 'alternate' install cd
[23:21] <SuicideCow> Emm, lemme think
[23:22] <SuicideCow> Intel Pentium 2 366 Mhz, 192Mb Ram, build in videocard
[23:22] <SuicideCow> Xubuntu should be able to run on it
[23:22] <mattg_> how do i browse a network?
[23:22] <SuicideCow> I burned the Live disk at 6x speed, but that shouldn be a problem
[23:22] <evil_tech> yes ive installed it on much less than that
[23:22] <evil_tech> i would try using the alternate install
[23:23] <evil_tech> i have more luck installing with it on older machines
[23:23] <SuicideCow> I hate the alternate cdś :P
[23:23] <SuicideCow> Have to download again :p
[23:23] <SuicideCow> But if im correct, i remember something wich might be important
[23:23] <SuicideCow> During the boot you will see these DOS like messages saying if the devices are working ( [OK] ) Understand?
[23:24] <evil_tech> yeah
[23:24] <SuicideCow> Well, one of those messages told me that i had to update my Bios in order to get ACPI to work
[23:24] <SuicideCow> Could that be the problem ?
[23:24] <evil_tech> could be
[23:24] <evil_tech> it probably is using APM and that is causing the problem
[23:24] <zoredache> eh?  I love the alternate cd.  What do have against it?
[23:24] <SuicideCow> Well, i searched the forum, and booted the live disk with the    acpi=off function(or something like that)
[23:24] <evil_tech> at the boot screen you can tell it not to load ACPI
[23:24] <SuicideCow> I did
[23:25] <SuicideCow> Didn fixed it however
[23:25] <evil_tech> i also think there is a failsafe mode which loads as little hardware as possible
[23:25] <evil_tech> other than that i
[23:25] <evil_tech> would try the alternate install
[23:25] <evil_tech> its my prefered install method
[23:26] <SuicideCow> Oh ok, im downloading the Alternate CD now :P
[23:26] <SuicideCow> Ill give the laptop another reboot and see what commands work :D
[23:26] <SuicideCow> The alternate CD download is ready in 75 Minutes
[23:26] <evil_tech> :D
[23:27] <SuicideCow> Ok, im at the Xubuntu boot screen now
[23:27] <SuicideCow> How do i fail safe boot?
[23:27] <SuicideCow> I already did a memory check
[23:27] <evil_tech> umm i think it is in the F3 menu
[23:27] <evil_tech> could be thinking of the DSL boot commands
[23:28] <SuicideCow> Ok, and what is this OEM Installation( For developers ) for?
[23:28] <zoredache> it lets you build a text file that gives you a completely automated install
[23:28] <SuicideCow> lol
[23:28] <SuicideCow> Useless :P
[23:28] <zoredache> so if you wanted to install ubuntu on 1000 computers you wouldn't have to type anything
[23:28] <zoredache> not really
[23:28] <SuicideCow> cool :p
[23:29] <evil_tech> i use that at work
[23:29] <zoredache> I was installing it in a computer lab at a schooo...
[23:29] <SuicideCow> by the way, F3 is for the Keymap option
[23:29] <evil_tech> one of the reasons i love the alternate install
[23:29] <SuicideCow> :p i Have ubuntu on my secondary PC, had no problems with it, but that PC wasn THAT old :p
[23:32] <SuicideCow> Ok...I can't seem to find any option to boot in fai lsafe mode
[23:33] <SuicideCow> Found it think, same way i fixed the installation of my Ubuntu
[23:33] <evil_tech> i must have got it confused with DSL then
[23:33] <SuicideCow> There is a option, listen
[23:33] <SuicideCow> Workaround faulty FPU (old machines)  no387
[23:33] <SuicideCow> I did it on my other PC ( P3 1 Ghz) and it worked
[23:34] <SuicideCow> It only takes 2 minutes to boot :P
[23:34] <evil_tech> try it
[23:34] <SuicideCow> I also found this:
[23:34] <evil_tech> anyone know when Fluxbuntu is supposed to be available for download?
[23:34] <SuicideCow> What is Fluxbuntu?
[23:34] <evil_tech> ubuntu that uses Fluxbox as the WM
[23:34] <Mark76> Ubuntu with the fLUXBOX WINDOWS MANAGER
[23:35] <SuicideCow> aha
[23:35] <SuicideCow> Im rather new to Ubuntu so :p
[23:35] <Mark76> God, I wish they'd shove the bloody capslock where the sun doesn't shine
[23:35] <SuicideCow> I prefer Mac however, but i have a Windows :p
[23:36] <SuicideCow> Hm...something is happening :D
[23:37] <SuicideCow> I just now see a black screen with a blinking cursor :P
[23:37] <Mark76> How are you posting here then?
[23:37] <SuicideCow> This is my uber PC
[23:37] <evil_tech> define uber
[23:37] <SuicideCow> Im installing it on a friends laptop right next to me
[23:37] <SuicideCow> Core 2 duo ^^ :p
[23:38] <Mark76> Aha
[23:38] <SuicideCow> This is fun
[23:38] <SuicideCow> Now the screen has gone all black
[23:38] <Mark76> Cool
[23:38] <SuicideCow> Atleast it isn't a BSOD
[23:39] <Mark76> How did you start the install?
[23:39] <SuicideCow> With the live cd, then Extra options and added no387 to the boot command
[23:39] <SuicideCow> but it isn doing anything anymore, so im going to try something else
[23:40] <Mark76> What's no387?
[23:40] <SuicideCow> I have no idea
[23:40] <SuicideCow> It should be a workaround for a Faulty FPU
[23:40] <Mark76> Then why did you add it?
[23:40] <SuicideCow> because the help option told me :P
[23:40] <SuicideCow> And because it worked for my ubuntu install
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Now trying with noapic nolapic
[23:41] <Mark76> Okay
[23:41] <Mark76> It's not a Toshiba is it?
[23:41] <SuicideCow> No it is an Acer
[23:41] <evil_tech> i still say alternate install would be the best bet. anything under 400mhz and less than 256mb live cd install just doesnt seem to work
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Acer TravelMate 517TE
[23:41] <Mark76> Okay
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Oh
[23:41] <SuicideCow> Well, the alternate CD should be ready in....
[23:42] <SuicideCow> 58 minutes
[23:42] <Mark76> What's the most recent generation of PCs before the current one?
[23:42] <evil_tech> on what platform AMD or Intel?
[23:42] <SuicideCow> I don't know, i suppose this laptop is about 10 years old
[23:42] <SuicideCow> Intel
[23:42] <SuicideCow> Pentium 2
[23:42] <Mark76> Lol
[23:42] <Mark76> :p
[23:42] <SuicideCow> My friend found it in a unit ( if you know what i mean)
[23:43] <Mark76> Intel
[23:43] <Mark76> Or AMD
[23:43] <SuicideCow> Don't give me the Intel sucks story :p
[23:43] <evil_tech> think it is 886?
[23:43] <Mark76> Just as long as it's new enough to run Sims2
[23:43] <SuicideCow> Haha
[23:43] <SuicideCow> I don't play the sims
[23:43] <Mark76> And XP
[23:43] <SuicideCow> It is too slow for Xp :p
[23:43] <SuicideCow> Believe me, i tried it
[23:44] <SuicideCow> Took 5 minutes to log in
[23:44] <Mark76> Oh. And how do I activate 3D effects in Xubuntu?
[23:44] <SuicideCow> Ehm....
[23:44] <evil_tech> ive gotten xp to run decent on 366 and 256
[23:44] <SuicideCow> wow
[23:44] <evil_tech> just have to strip everything
[23:45] <SuicideCow> I prefer linux over windows for slower machines, they seem to run a lot better
[23:45] <Mark76> How much can you strip out of XP and still ahve it functioning?
[23:45] <evil_tech> yeah that is why im excited about Fluxbuntu
[23:45] <SuicideCow> What does force_adrr=oxaddr mean?
[23:45] <evil_tech> quite alot
[23:45] <evil_tech> lot of services that dont have to run
[23:45] <SuicideCow> lol
[23:45] <evil_tech> you lose some functionality of course
[23:45] <Mark76> Because I have a friend who I'm trying to persuade to go Linux but she wants to keep XP for gaming
[23:46] <SuicideCow> I just got a message during boot, it was testing everything, and it was somewhere in the middle saying: Upgrade bios for acpi bla bla bla
[23:46] <SuicideCow> Lol
[23:46] <SuicideCow> Xubuntu seems to work now
[23:46] <evil_tech> have you tried a BIOS update?
[23:46] <SuicideCow> No
[23:46] <SuicideCow> It is too old for that :P
[23:46] <evil_tech> why keep xp for gaming. most games will run virtualized in linux pretty decent
[23:46] <SuicideCow> Mwa
[23:47] <evil_tech> particualrly on the latest gen of procs
[23:47] <SuicideCow> If i have to choose i choose mac, i love mac :p
[23:47] <SuicideCow> but they are so expensive
[23:47] <SuicideCow> huh?
[23:47] <SuicideCow> By xubuntu background is now green instead of blue :D
[23:48] <evil_tech> not too bad. considering what I paid for my FX-53 4 years ago i can get 4 times the processing power for half the price
[23:48] <SuicideCow> and the trashbin is purple
[23:48] <evil_tech> lol
[23:48] <SuicideCow> But still no taskbars
[23:48] <SuicideCow> crappy crap
[23:48] <evil_tech> are you sure the screen resolution is not too big?
[23:48] <SuicideCow> Im sure, i put it to VGA mode
[23:48] <Mark76> I love Blobwars :D
[23:48] <SuicideCow> I can move the mouse however
[23:49] <evil_tech> yeah that would have taken care of it
[23:49] <SuicideCow> and click, but nothing happenes
[23:49] <evil_tech> whats blobwars?
[23:49] <Mark76> >:o
[23:49] <SuicideCow> A build in Xubuntu game?
[23:49] <Mark76> Look it up in the repos
[23:49] <evil_tech> doing that now
[23:49] <SuicideCow> WOOT
[23:49] <SuicideCow> I see a loading icon :D
[23:49] <SuicideCow> And a window
[23:49] <SuicideCow> But still no taskbars
[23:50] <SuicideCow> im now in the "Example"Folder
[23:50] <evil_tech> well if it is up and running you could technically start the installer from the terminal
[23:50] <SuicideCow> I give it some troubleshooting first
[23:51] <SuicideCow> Let'see if i can play some funky music :D
[23:51] <SuicideCow> Totem media player seems to work as well
[23:51] <SuicideCow> It does
[23:52] <SuicideCow> Still no bars at the top and the bottom
[23:52] <SuicideCow> Ok, i know how to open the terminal, what now?
[23:53] <evil_tech> Mark76 is ubiquity still the installer?
[23:53] <Mark76> Ubiquity?
[23:53] <SuicideCow> How do i start the installer from the terminal ?
[23:54] <evil_tech> SuicideCow try sudo ubiquity
[23:54] <SuicideCow> Ok
[23:54] <SuicideCow> Thans
[23:54] <evil_tech> i think that is what the installer is called
[23:54] <evil_tech> dunno if it changed though
[23:54] <SuicideCow> What a name :)
[23:54] <SuicideCow> It is loading like hell now
[23:54] <SuicideCow> Atleast it is pretending to do
[23:54] <Mark76> Did you check out blobwars, evil?
[23:54] <evil_tech> installing now
[23:54] <evil_tech> net is slow
[23:55] <Mark76> Excellente
[23:55] <SuicideCow> Crap
[23:55] <SuicideCow> I minimized the terminal, and now i can't find it anymore :P
[23:55] <evil_tech> alt tab
[23:55] <SuicideCow> There it is, the install window just appeared :)
[23:56] <Mark76> Yay
[23:56] <SuicideCow> Wich location should i choose
[23:56] <SuicideCow> I prefer "No localization":p
[23:56] <evil_tech> where do you live
[23:56] <evil_tech> pick the closest lovation
[23:56] <SuicideCow> Holland, i choose dutch :)
[23:56] <SuicideCow> I know, i was just joking
[23:57] <SuicideCow> Thanks guys, it seems to be working now
[23:57] <SuicideCow> Atleast the installer is
[23:57] <Mark76> Keep us updated
[23:58] <SuicideCow> I think it was a smarter decision to burn the disc at 12x speed instead of 4x xD
[23:58] <evil_tech> this game rocks
[23:59] <Mark76> :D
[23:59] <Mark76> I knew you'd love it
[23:59] <Mark76> It's wonderfully retro, eh?
[23:59] <evil_tech> well my productivity for the day is in the tank :D


[00:16] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, saw. Trying to buy but up north with less than dial up connection
[00:18] <brousch> rick_h_: My Makefile is now uberawesome https://github.com/friendlycode/viget-lw
[00:19] <rick_h_> brousch: I'll see if it can load
[00:22] <brousch> The only sticky point is possible missing links in PIL libraries on 64 bit ubuntu
[00:22] <brousch> It's in the INSTALL.txt
[00:22] <rick_h_> right
[00:29] <brousch> Your Bookie Makefile was a huge help. Especially with the multiline script
[00:30] <brousch> I beat my head against it for an hour before I looked in there to see if you had any
[02:52] <naildeca> part
[12:02] <tony-smlr> SMLR is Live at http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=Nioc4U_gKS8
[12:43] <snap-l> Squeezebox Article is in Linux Journal this month
[13:01] <tony-smlr> snap-l: Squeezbox rocks!
[13:32] <snap-l> tony-smlr: Yeah, it's replaced all of my at-home listening
[17:07] <snap-l> having fin at beaumont
[17:07] <snap-l> fun, even
[17:07] <snap-l> fil is doi.g better
[19:42]  * scitesy is away: I'm busy


[19:06] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~carlfk/+reportedbugs?orderby=-id&start=0  does that include closed bugs?
[19:06] <CarlFK> I 'know' I reported a bug about dns breaking in the artsy installer, then marked it as a dupe of some other bug.  I can't find either
[19:14] <CarlFK> found it... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1717038
[19:14] <CarlFK> still not sure why I couldn't find it where I was looking
[19:25] <wgrant> CarlFK: All bug searches by default exclude closed bugs. You need to do an advanced search to find closed ones.
[19:26] <CarlFK> wgrant: k - I kinda guessed that.  still had trouble, but meh, edge case


[15:54] <silverarrow> how serious is it to test a new kernel?
[15:54] <silverarrow> someone asked me to test an upstream kernel, and what to do?
[15:55] <silverarrow> I filed a but on non working wireless chipsets, and there is a reply
[15:56] <patdk-wk> it's a bit of a pain, but not hard to install
[15:56] <patdk-wk> and testing it is very simple
[16:16] <elfy> balloons: you got a link to the arm beta1 - I can't find one
[16:16] <balloons> elfy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/beta-1/ubuntu-12.10-beta1-desktop-armhf+omap4.img
[16:17] <elfy> cheers - no idea why you want me to install that and upgrade it to the state of the one I've got here that works fine though :)
[16:18] <balloons> elfy, yes, it was requested by the teams to test continuity in the archive
[16:18] <elfy> hope I can get it working then - can't remember that one working for me
[16:18] <balloons> I don't suspect we'll see issues, but I am/was worried about unity 6.8 on ARM
[16:19] <elfy> k
[16:21] <elfy> will do it tomorrow now - damn things are slow to install anyway
[16:21] <elfy> today's daily appears to be fine though :)
[16:26] <silverarrow> can Ubuntu live in 30GB?
[16:26] <silverarrow> on*
[16:26] <elfy> mine always used to fine silverarrow
[16:26] <silverarrow> good
[16:27] <silverarrow> I am downloading todays Ubuntu, and plan on dual install
[16:27] <silverarrow> with lubuntu
[16:27] <elfy> oic
[16:28] <silverarrow> ?
[16:28] <elfy> 30 Gb shared? or just for ubuntu - I used to run with 10Gb just so you know
[16:29] <silverarrow> just for ubuntu
[16:30] <elfy> loads of room
[16:30] <silverarrow> 10GB and runs fine?
[16:31] <silverarrow> not sure about that
[16:31] <elfy> yea never had any issues at all
[16:31] <silverarrow> so grub is probably the main issue then
[16:31] <elfy> not sure what it'd be like now silverarrow - but my xubuntu - which has had all manner of things installed is at 8.3
[16:32] <elfy> issue?
[16:32] <silverarrow> yeah, to make it behave with dual boot. login and all that
[16:33] <elfy> should be ok silverarrow - I've never had to fight with win7 or anything
[16:35] <balloons> I run ubuntu on about 6 gig
[16:36] <balloons> not for the feint of heart ;-)
[16:36] <elfy> :)
[16:36] <silverarrow> ooh
[16:36] <balloons> I wouldn't go lower than 8.. 10 is much btter
[16:36] <patdk-wk> 6gig what?
[16:36] <balloons> the full install is about 5 gig
[16:36] <elfy> so do I - but it never gets updated - just gets installed over again
[16:36] <silverarrow> it can have 30
[16:36] <balloons> and as soon as you update, you need space to download and have 2 copies of packages at the same time
[16:36] <patdk-wk> I normally do 20gig for ubuntu desktop, generally only ever use 8gigs of it
[16:36] <balloons> let's just say I have to massage dist-upgrades through on that thing
[16:37] <patdk-wk> my mythtv frontends are currently using 3gigs
[16:37] <balloons> I'm not doing it by choice persay,  I only have an 8 gig ssd
[16:37] <elfy> balloons: pppft - I just apt-get clean first :)
[16:37] <elfy> actually I don't
[16:37] <patdk-wk> my servers are all either 2 or 8gigs :)
[16:37] <patdk-wk> normally <1gig used
[16:37] <silverarrow> you might get a larger one, these days they are a bit cheaper
[16:37] <elfy> I just never really upgrade it
[16:38] <balloons> elfy, I have to uninstall all large programs
[16:38] <balloons> dist-upgrade, intterupt, apt-get clean, then continue
[16:38] <silverarrow> but as long as it works, thing are fine
[16:38] <balloons> then re-install big stuff
[16:38] <elfy> :)
[16:38] <balloons> :-P
[16:39] <balloons> I'm on 12.04 lts now.. it's never upgrading again
[16:39] <balloons> it will EOL on that
[16:39] <silverarrow> we should get balloons  a new ssd for christmas
[16:39] <elfy> lol
[16:40]  * silverarrow suspects he already have one in a drawer
[16:40] <patdk-wk> 8gig ssd's are so painfully slow
[16:40] <balloons> lol
[16:40] <balloons> it's the only ssd I own actually
[16:41] <balloons> to be honest, I've never really run them, since in my desktops are all traditional disks
[16:41] <silverarrow> I  have none, I consider my 7200rpm speedy
[16:41] <patdk-wk> I thought so too
[16:41] <patdk-wk> even upgraded my 7200rpm laptop drive to ssd, and didn't think ssd was much faster
[16:41] <patdk-wk> ssd died, went back to the drive
[16:41] <patdk-wk> oh the pain
[16:41] <silverarrow> lol
[16:42] <elfy> I'd not know one if it got up and said hi
[16:42] <silverarrow> a step back is always the worst
[16:42] <balloons> an ssd boot with crazy read performance makes sense
[16:42] <balloons> keepin your stuff on a traditional drive is fine
[16:42] <patdk-wk> well, in this case, did lots of vm suspend/restores
[16:42] <patdk-wk> so the ssd made that increadably fast
[16:42] <silverarrow> I want one of those Samsung 9 series,
[16:42] <patdk-wk> my current laptop has dual 256g ssd's
[16:43] <silverarrow> I think they are 125GB SSD
[16:45] <patdk-wk> I went with a lenovo t530, and customized it with a msata 256g and samsung 830 256g
[16:47] <silverarrow> I`m not sure I have seen the lenovo model
[16:47] <patdk-wk> hmm, yo ucan get a samsung 9 with 256g, but not quadcore cpu it looks like
[16:48] <patdk-wk> I figured I needed a quad core, in order to last long enough, without it feeling painfully slow in a year or two
[16:48] <silverarrow> I would be happy with a asus zenbook, but they don`t have 15" screens
[16:49] <silverarrow> yeah, that is the best way about it
[16:49] <silverarrow> computers often live on long after you get a new one even
[16:49] <patdk-wk> yep, totally overspec'd the laptop
[16:49] <patdk-wk> hmm, not my laptops :)
[16:50] <patdk-wk> well, my last laptop lenovo t61p is 5 years old now
[16:50] <silverarrow> they don`t?
[16:50] <patdk-wk> it's completely toast
[16:50] <silverarrow> I have had laptops die after less than 3 years, some lasted 11 years, a handmedown packard bell
[16:51] <patdk-wk> screen has issues, cpu won't stay cool, fan works ok, new battery drains faster than it should, case is worn so thin, it's cracking
[16:51] <silverarrow> it worked fine with almost anything bug flash
[16:51] <silverarrow> It wasn`t all that good though
[16:52] <silverarrow> this time I want a new one, with as high specs as possible on a slim laptop
[16:53] <silverarrow> teh t530 looks like it has a double screen
[16:53] <patdk-wk> hmm?
[16:53] <patdk-wk> it has a 1920x1080 15" screen
[16:53] <patdk-wk> and can have 4 screens total attached
[16:53] <silverarrow> maybe just the pick then
[16:54] <silverarrow> no, it is correct rendering
[16:54] <patdk-wk> I tested 4 screen mode, while works, not fun on linux to do yet
[16:54] <patdk-wk> plus, powering on the nvidia graphics card doubles the laptop power draw, from my normal 6-9w to 20w
[16:55] <silverarrow> which matters if you run on battery
[16:55] <patdk-wk> ya, I like getting 10-12h per battery :)
[16:55] <silverarrow> any heat issues?
[16:55] <patdk-wk> nope, at 10w, the whole thing stays cold
[16:56] <silverarrow> great
[16:56] <silverarrow> I have to run now, back later
[16:56] <silverarrow> it`s getting dark
[17:00]  * patdk-wk sends silverarrow a usb flashlight
[18:17] <silverarrow> patdk-wk: are you there?
[18:18] <silverarrow> I was in center of town just now, and in one of the old radio shops (which hardly has radios any more) the had a Lenovo B570,
[18:22] <patdk-wk> hmm, dunno that one
[18:23] <patdk-wk> I stick to the R/T/W/X lines, as the others seem to be lacking quality
[18:23] <silverarrow> it was just before closing time so I didn`t get to see all the models
[18:24] <silverarrow> it was unusually low priced
[18:24] <patdk-wk> ya, looks a lot like my sl500
[18:24] <patdk-wk> that one only lasted me a year :(
[18:24] <silverarrow> oh
[18:24] <silverarrow> terrible
[18:24] <silverarrow> they should at least last five
[18:24] <silverarrow> with out serious hardware failure
[18:24] <patdk-wk> the plastic just wore out, from my hands rubbing on it
[18:24] <patdk-wk> and the screen flexed too much and broke
[18:25] <silverarrow> that happened on a fujitsu I had
[18:25] <patdk-wk> and each time they *repaired* it, it got more broke
[18:25] <silverarrow> the silvergrey finish wore off
[18:25] <patdk-wk> I litterally wore a hole though it :)
[18:25] <silverarrow> I don`t know lenovo, but I have liked some HP models
[18:26] <patdk-wk> well, lenovo used to be ibm, till ibm said they didn't want to make consumer stuff anymore
[18:26]  * silverarrow wonders what kind of hands patdk-wk has. Sandingpaper or very acid?
[18:26] <patdk-wk> but lenovo had branched off the ibm line with other lower priced lines
[18:26] <patdk-wk> defently sandpaper
[18:27] <silverarrow> lol
[18:27] <silverarrow> I have noticed some asus models have steel casing
[18:27] <patdk-wk> actually, I had to grow my hands skin back a few years back
[18:27] <silverarrow> like a dark brushed steel
[18:27] <patdk-wk> I froze it all off
[18:27] <silverarrow> they look good
[18:27] <silverarrow> horrid
[18:28] <patdk-wk> nothing like taking your hands, and making them -40c in a few seconds
[18:28] <silverarrow> you were in the mountains or?
[18:28] <silverarrow> oh, nitogen tank?
[18:28] <patdk-wk> all the skin came off, and took about 2 months for the skin to grow back, and a good year for it to stop cracking
[18:28] <patdk-wk> na, hvac
[18:28]  * silverarrow googles hvac
[18:29] <silverarrow> oh, and acronym
[18:29] <silverarrow> we hardly have those here
[18:30] <silverarrow> we have ventilation, but the more advanced air condition only larger shoppings centers and office buildings
[18:31] <silverarrow> I know a guy who is the sort who volunters on military practices and that kind of thing
[18:31] <silverarrow> he lost a toe
[18:31] <silverarrow> froze off
[18:31] <silverarrow> and next year happily joins again
[18:49] <elfy> balloons: not sur whether upgrading from beta 1 via update mangler is something that I would generally do - especially as it is telling me it's a partial upgrade ;)
[18:50] <balloons> elfy, oh really?
[18:50] <balloons> is the archive not in a good state atm
[18:50] <balloons> I just upgraded
[18:53] <elfy> no idea - software sources crashed as well
[18:54] <elfy> or I think it did - this beta 1 had that really annoying m,ove the mouse and you can't see anything bug :)
[18:54] <elfy> just going to see what synaptic says first
[18:55] <elfy> the use the whole disk only allocates something like 400Mb of swapfor some reason as well
[19:00] <elfy> balloons: confirmed that archived tests bug :)
[19:01] <balloons> elfy, so it works yes?
[19:01] <elfy> yep = I put some results today
[19:01] <elfy> I'll keep an eye on it over the next couple of days when I do tests
[19:01] <balloons> k.. I think knome and I found it was a bug
[19:02] <elfy> yea - I read the backlog in here
[19:02] <balloons> we still need to file the actual bug.. attempting to recreate on staging
[19:02] <elfy> I really wish I'd accidentally not read this qa ARM email today ...
[19:02] <elfy> ok - well if you need me to do anything with it then just shout
[19:13] <elfy> balloons: no it's not the archive its update manager - synaptic is fine with it - upgrades and to be installed all going now
[19:14] <balloons> ahh
[19:14] <balloons> the update manager bombs eh?
[19:15] <elfy> just says there's a partial - I can run it with update manager with the partial if you really want to - but it'll not be good - it rarely is :)
[19:17] <elfy> to be honest I rarely use um unless I'm actually testing it itself
[19:24] <balloons> I'm sure it won't be
[19:24] <balloons> :-)
[19:24] <elfy> so you want me to do it with update mangler?
[19:25] <balloons> no no, no reason to mangle it up
[19:25] <balloons> how's unity
[19:25] <balloons> still ok?
[19:25] <elfy> not in beta 1 it's not
[19:25] <balloons> lol
[19:25] <elfy> it's that horrible don't move the mouse if you want to see the desktop bug in that one
[19:26] <balloons> yes, but it upgraded ok
[19:26] <balloons> and unity is fine now?
[19:26] <elfy> not yet - still doing it ...
[19:26] <balloons> same as your fresh install
[19:26] <balloons> ohh
[19:26] <balloons> ok
[19:26]  * balloons waits patiently
[19:26] <elfy> it was excellent before I went backwards :)
[19:27] <elfy> doing anything processor heavy here is really really slow - perhaps it's the stick - but I don't think so - works fine everywhere else
[20:14] <balloons> phillw, ping
[20:14] <phillw> balloons: pong
[20:18] <balloons> see your pm
[20:19] <silverarrow> hi
[20:19] <silverarrow> I`ve read the mail today
[20:19] <balloons> hey silverarrow
[20:19] <balloons> how are you?
[20:19] <silverarrow> I`m fine thank, and you?
[20:20] <silverarrow> are you in sync again after the all  nighter?
[20:21] <silverarrow> I had a few days of natural day night rythem when I worked nights
[20:22] <silverarrow> I have a new attempt at alsamixer issues
[20:22] <silverarrow> I have no idea where to start
[20:29] <silverarrow> lost connection
[20:31] <phillw> silverarrow: you really should pop onto #freenode and request an unafilliated cloak?
[20:33] <balloons> silverarrow, yes, I'm slowly easing back the hours
[20:33] <balloons> it will take me a bit to completely come back to normal
[20:34] <Noskcaj> do knome and i need to make a lvm xubuntu testcase?
[20:34] <knome> Noskcaj, i wouldn't worry about that for Q release
[20:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:41] <silverarrow> phillw: what`s that?
[20:41] <silverarrow> invisibility cloak?
[20:42]  * balloons rolls +6 die
[20:42] <balloons> 2
[20:42] <phillw> silverarrow: it prevents you giving out you IP address when you log onto IRC
[20:42] <balloons> silverarrow loses invisibility for 10 seconds
[20:42] <silverarrow> I see, that is a bad thing?
[20:42] <silverarrow> I have a sort of joint IP with the rest of the house
[20:42] <phillw> silverarrow: it can be, we aren't bad people, but others are. Having a cloak reduces risks
[20:43] <knome> phillw, i can give you an IP address any day!
[20:43] <knome> phillw, <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:43] <knome> phillw, there you go!
[20:43] <silverarrow> 6 people uses this modem
[20:43] <silverarrow> though right now only two
[20:43] <phillw> silverarrow: it has no difference to them, just masks it when you log onto IRC
[20:43] <silverarrow> phillw: I shall look into the cloak
[20:44] <phillw> do we have a factoid bot on here?
[20:44] <knome> !bot
[20:44] <phillw> !cloak
[20:45] <phillw> thanks knome, I'm used to DragonEyes :P
[20:50] <wxl> ew dragon eyes ;)
[20:50] <silverarrow> is my IP address of use to anyone?
[20:51] <knome> silverarrow, if somebody wants to make your life a bit more miserable, then yeah, it could be
[20:51] <silverarrow> hmm
[20:51] <silverarrow> the web is probably not worse than the rest of earth
[20:51] <silverarrow> nasty place at times
[20:52] <knome> probably not worse, but the bad things might be happening more often
[20:52] <silverarrow> hehe
[20:52] <silverarrow> like landing in the world of linux
[20:52] <silverarrow> hardly anyting works
[20:53] <silverarrow> at least in alpha
[20:53] <silverarrow> ;- )
[20:53] <silverarrow> luckily it gets better
[20:54] <knome> don't know about the world though...
[20:56] <silverarrow> does libre office work in gome/unity?
[20:57] <silverarrow> hashsum mismatch when updating
[20:57] <balloons> silverarrow, yes
[20:58] <silverarrow> good
[20:59] <silverarrow> there were a guy yesterday with toolbar problems
[21:00] <Noskcaj> virtualbox says its disconected from the internet whe my pc is not, what is this a bug in?
[21:01] <silverarrow> likely
[21:01] <silverarrow> battery monitor doesn`t work that  well in lxde on powerpc
[21:05] <elfy> Noskcaj: I had a bunch of issues the other day with vbox and internet, had to set it to bridged adapter
[21:05] <Noskcaj> ok elfy
[21:32] <elfy> balloons: so 2 hours later it is still upgrading the 883 packages ...
[21:34] <balloons> elfy, wow
[21:34] <balloons> that might be awhile
[21:34] <balloons> i'm uploading
[21:34] <balloons> 1 hr in a 5 hour jon
[21:34] <balloons> *job
[21:36] <elfy> going to bed as soon as this tea mug is empty :) will look in the morning lol
[21:36] <balloons> sounds like a good plan mate
[21:36] <elfy> as long as it all works then I guess it's worth it :)
[21:36] <balloons> yep
[21:37] <elfy> I noted on the testcase that I used synaptic
[21:49] <elfy> that'll do - night balloons
[21:51] <balloons> good night elfy !
[23:15] <skaet> plars, infinity,  balloons - was just doing an update on my quantal machine,  and have gotten "Update information  (null)" and system has stopped responding.    anyone else seeing this?
[23:22] <skaet> infinity, slangasek - do you want me to try to catch anything from the hung system before I reboot?
[23:23] <infinity> skaet: If it's hung, I'm not sure what you'd collect.
[23:24] <skaet> infinity,  well mouse moves around,  so not completely
[23:25] <skaet> but I can't get a terminal to come up from the keyboard,  so power cycle time.
[23:45] <phillw> infinity: the ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/lubuntu what needs doing?
[23:50] <infinity> phillw: I'm pretty sure gilir knows what to do...
[23:52] <phillw> infinity: so a simple "Yes, it is approved" will do?
[23:53] <infinity> phillw: It was already approved, so yes, he just needs to (a) commit to fxing/reverting if it breaks, and (b) upload it to the archive.
[23:54] <skaet> infinity,   past.ubuntu.com/1270232  -  results from rebooted, and triggering software updater again.
[23:54] <phillw> thanks, i know he still not 100% well so getting that (quite major) issue off his mind this close to a release will help a lot
[23:54] <skaet> paste.ubuntu.com/1270232 rather.
[23:54] <skaet> anything else you want included in the bug?
[23:58] <phillw> infinity: skaet as he away from computer, how best to (00:33:00) skaet: phillw,  please work to get it uploaded now in next couple of hours, and we'll call it even. ?
[23:59] <skaet> phillw,  see if one of the other MOTU's has bandwidth to help out, and get it uploaded.


[09:53] <zequence> stochastic: You're welcome. Final Beta for 14.04 is coming out next week. We're still waiting for some packages to get uploaded
[09:54] <zequence> We're a bit late with those
[09:55] <zequence> I'm currently organizing a schedule and documentation for 14.10 and 16.04
[09:55] <zequence> stochastic: What kind of work would you be interested in doing?
[10:06] <zequence> stochastic: You've been working somewhat with achieving rt privilege in different ways, correct?
[10:07] <zequence> ..we need to do something about that.
[17:05] <stochastic> zequence_, in the past I did a lot of packaging for apps that weren't included, testing setup, and some work with US-Controls particularly with getting the newer firewire permission stack put in place.  Right now I'm doing a bit of work writing device driver kernels for embedded systems so I'm sure that work can spill over quite easily into rt privilege work for US.
[21:39] <OvenWerk1> Gahh, I missed both of them...
[21:39] <OvenWerk1> zequence_: those really sound like useful things.