[01:00] <kosh> Crazy: the same kind of thing would happen if you tried to install windows xp 64 on your machine
[01:00] <kosh> Crazy use the 32bit version
[01:00] <Crazy> thankyou
[01:00] <Crazy> which version?
[01:00] <Crazy> on the download page
[01:00] <Crazy> i386?
[01:00] <bimberi> i386
[01:01] <Crazy> thankyou all so much
[01:01] <Crazy> i wish i didnt just waste 7 hours lol
[01:01] <Crazy> :D
[01:01] <kosh> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/
[01:01] <kosh> just read that page it shoudl be obvious
[01:01] <_b> lol!
[01:01] <kosh> there are only 3 choices for an install cd, you don't have a mac, and you don't have a 64bit system
[01:01] <kosh> and the first choice said it was for if you are unsure
[01:01] <Crazy> i see
[01:02] <Crazy> so power pc is mac?
[01:02] <Crazy> sorry im such a noob
[01:02] <kosh> your problem is not being a newbie
[01:02] <kosh> your problem is not reading
[01:02] <Crazy> lol
[01:02] <Crazy> true
[01:03] <kosh> to be honest that is not something that I will help with
[01:03] <Crazy> i was on different page i was downloading from australia
[01:03] <kosh> someone else might but I won't
[01:03] <Crazy> i see now
[01:03] <Crazy> thanks very much
[01:03] <Crazy> the australia downloads page doesnt say nething other than wat the file names are called
[01:04] <Crazy> cya and thankyou soooo much for ur help, catch u l8a :D
[01:06] <Melsen> Hrmm
[01:07] <Melsen> Is there anything wrong with using Synaptic in Kubuntu?
[01:07] <robotgeek> Melsen: you'll have to install a lot of gnome crud
[01:08] <Daddy_D> I wanted to ask, does people really like Ubuntu/Kubuntu? Or is it something they just got sticked with using for no reason?
[01:08] <Melsen> crud?
[01:08] <Melsen> I love it Daddy_D - first dist that has made me drop Windows
[01:08] <kosh> why would people download and install it if they did not like it?
[01:08] <tijn_> Daddy_D well
[01:08] <_andy___> heya ppl
[01:08] <farous> Daddy_D: people normally stick with what they are familiar with
[01:09] <robotgeek> Melsen: okay, lots of gnome apps :)
[01:09] <tijn_> iam a debian person myself, but i saw Kubuntu and i must say its working nice
[01:09] <farous> but trying some distro i have to admit i just love ubuntu
[01:09] <kosh> I use a mixture of kubuntu and debian
[01:09] <tijn_> so iam still running debian :) only my laptop runs kubuntu
[01:09] <kosh> however I have been using linux for about 10 years now
[01:10] <kosh> the only thing I have used windows for in about 10 years now is games
[01:10] <Daddy_D> no, Im just trying to figure it out. Many of my frends dont like the way kubuntu deals with stuff and they find it hard and painfull to help me out. I believe they either use Gentoo or Slackware. I got recommended Kubuntu for beginners.
[01:10] <tijn_> 1 thing i hate about kubuntu
[01:11] <tijn_> i want to be ROOT!
[01:11] <tijn_> :D
[01:11] <kosh> umm that is a good thing to change that one
[01:11] <Daddy_D> excatly! :P
[01:11] <tijn_> ah well.. sude passwd root
[01:11] <tijn_> :D
[01:11] <kosh> you should not be running as root ever
[01:11] <Daddy_D> Also is it true that I shouldnt go online when Im logged in as root?
[01:11] <Melsen> start a terminal windows, type 'sudo passwd root' and type the password you want.. then you can su to root.. but... it kinda goes against the kubuntu setup. There is nothing you need to do in Kubuntu that you can't do within the set frames
[01:12] <farous> one thing i hate /understand ubuntu inherited from debian. Stuboorness with prop soft
[01:12] <_andy___> still dunt let ya login on that account tho :(
[01:12] <kosh> farous: huh?
[01:12] <farous> as a desktop user like others the first thing i do is download the prop codecs
[01:12] <kosh> farous: it is a legal issue
[01:13] <farous> i had to install gsp-afpl cause the regul gs-eps gave me lots of troubles
[01:13] <kosh> farous: none of them want to go to jail to make your life easier
[01:13] <farous> not all of it kosh
[01:13] <Melsen> Anyone can recommend a good program to listen to online radio with?
[01:13] <Daddy_D> but Meslen, thats the problem Im having all the time. Editing anything in GUI is almost impossible unless I modify something while using ROOT
[01:13] <robotgeek> Melsen: amarok
[01:13] <kosh> Daddy_D: kdesu kate
[01:13] <Melsen> use kdesu?
[01:13] <Daddy_D> ah o
[01:13] <Daddy_D> ok
[01:14] <Daddy_D> I should probably get the book for Kubuntu
[01:14] <Daddy_D> my original plan was to learn linux by using a book. It should be a lot quicker than trying to teach my self like I did with Windows.
[01:14] <kosh> Daddy_D: kdesu has been used for about 5-6 years now
[01:14] <Melsen> robotgeek_away: package name for amarok radio plugin?
[01:15] <robotgeek_away> Melsen: none, it just works. see playlist option
[01:15] <Melsen> hey wtf
[01:15] <Melsen> thats cool
[01:15] <Melsen> thanks =)
[01:15] <robotgeek_away> later
[01:15] <_andy___> is there a linux version of msn withh all the features ?
[01:15] <Daddy_D> Well fair point but I used kdesu from about an hour ago
[01:15] <kosh> msn what?
[01:16] <Melsen> _andy___: kopete is awesome
[01:16] <_andy___> messanger
[01:16] <kosh> msn itself is an internet service, and a webpage
[01:16] <_andy___> :-?
[01:16] <Daddy_D> Kubuntu book and IRC are two things that go very well together.
[01:16] <Daddy_D> Is it expensive to buy?
[01:16] <Melsen> buy what?
[01:16] <Daddy_D> the book
[01:16] <kosh> no idea, I did not even know there was a kubuntu book
[01:16] <Melsen> Oh.. no idea
[01:17] <Melsen> havent had use for it
[01:17] <kosh> _andy___: sorry no idea on that one, but I doubt that anything supports all of its features, kopete probalby supports many of them
[01:17] <Melsen> this channel is filled with helpful people
[01:17] <Melsen> and google works wonders
[01:17] <farous>  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[01:17] <_andy___> kk ty :)
[01:17] <farous> sorry about that wrong chan
[01:18] <abac> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[01:19] <_andy___> how can i add shortcuts to the kde prog menu ?
[01:20] <Melsen> hrmm
[01:20] <Melsen> I can't make amarok play anything
[01:20] <Melsen> mplayer and kaffeine works fine
[01:21] <_andy___> oooo wut u use for downloads on nix ?
[01:21] <Melsen> waddya mean?
[01:24] <_andy___> like what p2p packages can i download + install ?
[01:25] <tijn_> kosh if iam configing stuff, i like to be root
[01:25] <kosh> tijn_: I am sorry but that is a boneheaded idea
[01:26] <tijn_> :)
[01:26] <kosh> tijn_: the system has built into it the ability to do anything you need as root as needed without doing everything as root
[01:26] <Melsen> How do I make amarok use a different engine than gstreamer?
[01:26] <Melsen> Only gstreamer available in the selection, and I already installed that engine pack through adept
[01:26] <tijn_> kosh i know, but i just dont like it
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Melsen: settings, configure amarok, engine
[01:26] <Melsen> Only gstreamer is showing there
[01:26] <Melsen> and that wont play my mp3's for some reason
[01:27] <tijn_> maybe if i was running ubuntu on a server
[01:27] <Melsen> even though my other players plays them fine
[01:27] <tijn_> but normal @home use..
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Melsen: install amarok-xine
[01:27] <kosh> Melsen: sudo apt-get install amarok-xine
[01:27] <Hobbsee> you'll need it in dapper anyway
[01:27] <tijn_> but all my servers are debian so..
[01:27] <_andy___> wut p2p programs is there i can download and install ?
[01:27] <Melsen> kosh: I already have that
[01:27] <Melsen> still not selectable
[01:28] <kosh> sudo apt-get install libxine1c2 xine-ui
[01:28] <_andy___> wuts that ?
[01:28] <Melsen> "What" is that
[01:29] <CarstenP> hi! how can i install java 1.5 ?
[01:29] <Melsen> kosh: I still cant select Xine inside amarok
[01:29] <Melsen> !ubotu tell CarstenP about java
[01:30] <kosh> Melsen: very strange, did you restart amarok after you installed that stuff? note that when you close the window amarok does not close sicne it runs in that little quickbar area so you need to right click on it and close it from there
[01:30] <Melsen> Yes yes.. right clicked the icon in the quickbar and chose quit
[01:30] <bert_> Melsen: you most probably nned to install Mp3 lib file, Amarok plays mp3's for ne OK with the gstreamer engine
[01:30] <Melsen> still only shows 'GStreamer' in the engine.. so I can chose between that and none
[01:31] <Melsen> all my mp3 plays fine from the other players I got
[01:31] <Melsen> mplayer, xmms and so on
[01:32] <bert_> Only shows gstreamer in mine, but plays OK, install the mp3lib files
[01:33] <melonipoika> #kubuntu-es
[01:33] <Ahmuck> can i build source code in kubuntu ?
[01:33] <melonipoika> uy, sorry :D
[01:35] <Ahmuck>  can i use kubuntu as a server or is it a user only os ?
[01:36] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: yes, you can build source if you install a compiler and necessary development tools, normally by installing build-essential
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: and I'm using kubuntu on 4 servers, although I did server install on them and no GUI is installed.
[01:38] <Ahmuck> what does the server install get you from kubuntu ... i am confused, isn't kubuntu all about the gui
[01:38] <Ahmuck> so, build-essential includes the tools for building programs from source, ok
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: any linux distro has the same basic things, and that's all the server install gives you. The basic system w/o gui and gui apps.
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: right, build-essential includes the compiler, but there may also be libs and -dev packages you will have to install to compile some apps which require includes from other packages.
[01:39] <Ahmuck> un, understood ... that is what i thought
[01:40] <Ahmuck> i assume that adept has server packages listed ?
[01:41] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: I don't think they are listed as such. Server install is just a minimal install set, after you have server install done you have to hand pick the packages based on the type of server you want.
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: ie. for a mailserver you'll want postfix (likely), for web apache, for ftp vsftpd, but those don't all get installed automatically.
[01:42] <Ahmuck> for the mta, exim with horde for web mail, etc.
[01:42] <Ahmuck> which can be done via adept >
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> right, or if it's a true non-gui install just use apt-get or aptitude from the command line to install packages.
[01:44] <kosh> all of the debian based dists work the same
[01:44] <kosh> a server based install is just a minimal install since on a server you don't want uncessary software installed
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> Ahmuck: if you aren't going to install a GUI on the machine you will still want to install the xserver client stuff, sshd and configure sshd to forward X, then you can install GUI apps on the server and run them from a remote machine over ssh.
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> That is if you plan to run GUI apps on your server from remote. Personally I'd just stick to using apt-get.
[01:45] <kosh> LeeJunFan: I would not recommend doing that
[01:46] <kosh> LeeJunFan: I would use the cli for remote work instead of installing more software on a server then is needed
[01:47] <LeeJunFan> kosh: I agree. Although I had to get cups up and running on one server and configuring printers in cups is lame with the web interface disabled. So I installed kdeprinter :)
[01:50] <kosh> configure it and then remove it :)
[01:51] <Melsen> Hey.. now I can see the xine engine.. I had that 'first time run wizard' thingie in amarok
[01:51] <Melsen> then after that, I went to the configuration.. and then I could see the xine engine.. how odd was that?!??!
[01:53] <twinoatl> hi
[01:53] <twinoatl> I found some bug in daily generated ubuntu. Where can I talk about this ?
[01:54] <kosh> daily generated?
[01:54] <Melsen> the #ubuntu channel?
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> I think it's time I look at horde/imp, been using squirrelmail for years.
[01:55] <twinoatl> kosh: you can download daily generated ubuntu/kubuntu isos
[01:55] <twinoatl> kosh: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[01:55] <twinoatl> Melsen: ok, I will try
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> twinoatl: first do your updates and make sure it's not already fixed, then file a bug report. Check the wiki or faq on ubuntu.com
[01:57] <Cyberwal83> uhm.. I wanna set up my mx1000's buttons and have to edit xorg.conf, but where is that file <.<
[01:57] <twinoatl> LeeJunFan: it is in the first menu when booting the cd
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> twinoatl: ah, I'd take it to the devel mailing list then.
[01:58] <twinoatl> LeeJunFan: no report to launchpad then ?
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> twinoatl: Probably that too.
[02:00] <twinoatl> LeeJunFan: ok
[02:00] <twinoatl> LeeJunFan: thanks
[02:09] <Cyberwal83> hey, I tried that evdev method of configuring my mx1000.. doesn't work
[02:09] <Cyberwal83> any other method, or do I have to configure the buttons now somewhere?
[02:09] <vitek> !w32codecs
[02:09] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[02:17] <vitek> !lame
[02:17] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, vitek
[02:18] <ubijtsa> Cyberwal83: xorg.conf is in /etc/X11
[02:19] <vitek> !mjpegtools
[02:19] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, vitek
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> try !info
[02:22] <_david> hello, do you know what lines should be in /etc/apt/sources.list? I have this for instance: deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted  but it gives errors on sudo apt-get update
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: what errors?
[02:22] <_david> like this: bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[02:23] <_david> and Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release.gpg  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) that
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: leave it a few minutes and then try again
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> a few minutes=20
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it still doesnt work, try taking off the nl bit
[02:23] <_david> ok, thanks
[02:28] <stjepan> whats ubuntu's kde dir? (in slackware it is /opt/kde)
[02:29] <_david> I thin it's just /usr
[02:30] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: is it normal that all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list are commented afrer a install?
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: yes, only the cd is uncommented
[02:31] <stjepan> I have got a "problem".
[02:31] <stjepan> I like mac osx style desktop, but it isnt very functional and usable
[02:32] <stjepan> windows like desktop isnt very functional too
[02:32] <stjepan> what desktop style do you prefer?
[02:32] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> stjepan: 'style'? like bar at top or bottom? or theme?
[02:33] <stjepan> Kamping_Kaiser: everything
[02:33] <stjepan> especialy panel s
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> stjepan: i like gnomes layout *in general*
[02:34] <stjepan> windows like desktop (bottom taskbar) is too small and it isnt possible to put some applets there
[02:34] <stjepan> Kamping_Kaiser: may I see your desktop pls?
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> stjepan: it's an almost plain ubuntu setup, just with more stuff in the pannels
[02:35] <stjepan> heh
[02:36] <stjepan> Kamping_Kaiser: I want a desktop environment which is as easy to use as windows :)
[02:36] <stjepan> but none of them are
[02:36] <kosh> no system is as easy to use as the one you already know
[02:36] <tid-wave> double clicking "System Services" in System Settings will crash System Services ...
[02:37] <kosh> tid-wave: single clicking won't
[02:37] <tid-wave> and if I click administrator mode the widget inside is empty
[02:37] <tid-wave> I cannot set anything
[02:37] <tid-wave> it's just a red border and nothing inside
[02:38] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: so does that mean that someone who doesn't know how to edit that file can't get security updates etc?
[02:38] <tid-wave> kosh: i know that, but that's still bad behaviour (crash)
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: you can turn on repositories using synpatic and i think (in kde) adept
[02:39] <cion> hey all how do I remove (forced) a broken language pack?
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> cion: run `sudo apt-get -f install` to let ubuntu try and fix itself
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jpatrick
[02:39] <jpatrick> hello Kamping_Kaiser
[02:40] <cion> ok Ill try
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:40] <stjepan> what do you think of http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/23535-1.jpg
[02:40] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk  that is my current desktop
[02:41] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: I removed the nl. bit but still errors on sudo apt-get update
[02:41] <_david> do you know what that could be?
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: can you pastebin the lot of them, and your sources.list file?
[02:41] <_david> ok 1 moment
[02:43] <kosh> so what do you think of my desktop?
[02:43] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: here's the url: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aqR17C26.html
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[02:44] <_david> note that I can ping archive.ubuntu.com
[02:45] <_david> A long time ago I had installed debian and had the same problem
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> strange. your sources list is fine
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: you sure your instal lfinsihed ok? can you run `sudo apt-get -f install ` to make sure
[02:48] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: it gives these erors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yrUO0A44.html
[02:49] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: during the install it hanged like half an hour at testing network repository and networ security repository
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> 5 minutes is ok. half an hour is not...
[02:49] <treyh0> wtf is http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/23535-1.jpg
[02:50] <treyh0> i can't tell if that's linux or os x
[02:50] <treyh0> heh
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:50] <kosh> I guess that nobody likes my desktop ;)
[02:50] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: o, so I should reinstall?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: it's strange that your getting the same error with both.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> it may be a gzip issue, but don't quote me (I'm afraid)
[02:51] <_david> yeah, and also that I had the same problem with debian like 2 years ago, I moved on to another distro back then
[02:51] <treyh0> is there a kubuntu amd64 channel or something
[02:52] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: anyway, thanks for your help :)
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: sorry about that :/
[02:56] <_ganymed> hallo
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:57] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/16-02-06
[03:00] <_david> Kamping_Kaiser: My provider has some kind of filter (solcon) to block porn etc, could it be that it filters those mirrors (by mistake) and that thats also why debian dind't wor a long time ago?
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> _david: that's quite possible, if they are blocking the filetypes Debian is trying to transfer. i don't know the softwrae at all though
[03:01] <_david> I will google around to see if more people have it, afaik they only blokc url/ip adresses
[03:04] <treyh0> why does kubuntu use lipstick as the default theme?
[03:04] <treyh0> its ugly :/
[03:04] <jpatrick> to make it look different (visually)
[03:05] <treyh0> i like the default configuration aside from that though
[03:05] <treyh0> its pretty neat
[03:06] <treyh0> i can install it on a computer for someone and not have to spend 10 years configuring it
[03:06] <_david> I dont think it's ugly but I prefer plastik
[03:06] <cion> hey all how come firefox looks so bad on KDE?
[03:06] <jpatrick> cion: because it's a gtk app
[03:06] <_david> cion it's written in another toolkit, gtk and not in qt, so it looks different, you can mae it look like a kde app thought
[03:06] <cion> david: how?
[03:07] <_david> there a program for it, gtkqt-engine or somethijhg like that, but I dont know what it is called on kubuntu
[03:07] <cion> it's a package u mean?
[03:08] <_david> it's a program, but there probalby is a kubuntu package for, yes
[03:08] <treyh0> the package you want is called  gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[03:09] <treyh0> you can then set it up in the kde control panel under appearance
[03:09] <treyh0> to "use the same style/font as KDE"
[03:09] <treyh0> i thought that was installed by default on kde
[03:09] <treyh0> i mean
[03:09] <treyh0> kubuntu
[03:09] <cion> it is
[03:09] <cion> i'm just noob on linux world ;)
[03:10] <treyh0> :)
[03:10] <cion> kde is a lil bit crashy than gnome why?
[03:10] <cion> I'm having problems that I didn't had on Gnome
[03:10] <treyh0> kde is more stable than gnome for me
[03:10] <treyh0> cept for amarok
[03:10] <treyh0> that thing crashes more than windows98
[03:10] <cion> I think it's more elastic
[03:10] <cion> lol
[03:11] <cion> what do u use instead of amarok?
[03:11] <treyh0> mpd
[03:11] <treyh0> i have a server set up with my music on it and play music with mpd
[03:11] <treyh0> then can use gmpc or a web based app to control it
[03:11] <treyh0> www.musicpd.org
[03:11] <cion> ok listen, is it possible to uninstall default kde software i don't need?
[03:12] <treyh0> amarok is sure neat though.  i think it crashes because of gstreamer.
[03:12] <cion> cool
[03:12] <treyh0> i would imagine, you can use Adept in kubuntu
[03:12] <cion> how bout configuring ubuntu or kubuntu from server installation?
[03:13] <treyh0> aptitude
[03:13] <cion> ?
[03:13] <treyh0> aptitude is the command line version
[03:13] <cion> for?
[03:13] <treyh0> Description: terminal-based apt frontend
[03:13] <treyh0> to let you install/uninstall programs
[03:13] <treyh0> etc
[03:14] <cion> dude I have no idea what ur talkin bout lol, is there something i can read?
[03:14] <treyh0> lemme see...
[03:14] <treyh0> www.ubuntuforums.org is good :)
[03:15] <cion> so once installed server i need to make every thing with aptitude?
[03:15] <treyh0> make everything?
[03:15] <treyh0> aptitude is just for installing/removing packages
[03:15] <cion> install
[03:15] <cion> ok
[03:15] <cion> one by one?
[03:15] <treyh0> you can use plain 'apt-get'
[03:15] <treyh0> nah it's pretty easy
[03:15] <treyh0> open up a terminal and fire it up
[03:15] <treyh0> or log in to console
[03:15] <treyh0> aptitude is nice :>
[03:16] <cion> ok
[03:16] <cion> well thx man
[03:16] <cion> c 'ya ;)
[03:16] <treyh0> :)
[03:23] <jpatrick> hello kkathman
[03:23] <kkathman> hi jpatrick
[03:25] <kkathman> jpatrick:  im upgrading atm to Dapper
[03:25] <jpatrick> cool :)
[03:25] <kkathman> hope it works
[03:25] <treyh0> how does dapper relate to debian sid in terms of stability/instability?
[03:34] <pm> new kde 3.5.2, is it worth upgrading/
[03:35] <jpatrick> pm:  it's not out
[03:35] <pm> it is
[03:35] <_mindspin> I just did and I am ok with it
[03:36] <jpatrick> 3.5.2?
[03:36] <pm> _mindspin, thanks
[03:38] <jpatrick> pm: maybe 3.5.1?
[03:38] <pm> 3.5.2
[03:39] <_mindspin> !3.5.2
[03:39] <ubotu> 3.5
[03:40] <jpatrick> pm: i have no idea what you're talking about
[03:42] <pm> jpatrick, i'm talking about kde 3.5.2
[03:42] <jpatrick> pm: it has not been released
[03:42] <pm> it has
[03:42] <jpatrick> unless you want the SVN
[03:42] <jpatrick> so where's the announcement?
[03:44] <eero> i am on kubuntu. is it possible that my motherboard could stop the creation of /dev/dsp, cause I've got no sound and dsp?
[03:44] <jpatrick> eero: can you see your sound card in KInfoCenter?
[03:45] <eero> no information found
[03:45] <jpatrick> then the kernel can't see it
[03:45] <jpatrick> what card do you have?
[03:46] <kkathman> jpatrick:  dapper crashed :(
[03:46] <kkathman> oh well
[03:46] <jpatrick> :(
[03:46] <kkathman> card?
[03:46] <jpatrick> kkathman: i was talking to eero :)
[03:46] <eero> some integrated one, but i think "designed for windows" has something to do with it?
[03:47] <_mindspin> which kde version do you use?
[03:47] <kkathman> nah it removed all this stuff...then came up and  said...KDM is running, and in order to complete the install, i needed to close it..I did...it stopped
[03:47] <eero> kubuntu 5.10 so is that kde 3.4
[03:47] <kkathman> so I have. basically, a non-Gui system now
[03:48] <jpatrick> kkathman: 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' ?
[03:48] <kkathman> gives "not authorized"
[03:48] <eero> how do i make the kernel to see the card?
[03:48] <jpatrick> eero: by loading it's module
[03:49] <jpatrick> which I can't find without knowing what your card is
[03:50] <eero> oh yes, and there is another problem: when i have any cards in PCI-slots, the hotplug subsystem hangs!
[03:50] <eero> boot time
[03:51] <jpatrick> :/
[03:52] <eero> is that a casual problem?
[03:52] <jpatrick> Sometimes hotplug hangs...
[03:52] <eero> why?
[03:52] <jpatrick> no idea
[03:53] <_mindspin> i had trouble with acpi
[03:54] <_mindspin> it gave me strange graphik effekts and shut occ pcmcia regulary
[03:54] <stjepan> hi
[03:54] <eero> Mine hangs every time when something is in PCI slots. Could it have something in common with my integrated sonud card problem?
[03:54] <_mindspin> after disabling it the problems vanished
[03:54] <eero> "linux acpi=off" works for me
[03:54] <stjepan> I installed kubuntu. KDE desktop is very unfinished.  KMenu is not very good designed. :( What do you think?
[03:54] <_mindspin> that was  the solution for me
[03:55] <_mindspin> I like kde since 1.xxx
[03:55] <jpatrick> stjepan: see FAQ at kubuntu.org
[03:55] <eero> I think KDE is good for beginners. And you can edit the K-menu...
[03:56] <_mindspin> eero: what would you suggest for advanceds?
[03:57] <eero> Konsole :)
[03:57] <eero> in KDE surely.  Every other distro has worked fine on my machine!
[04:04] <eero> What's the problem? Do I have to move to  bare Debian again; it couldn't automount usb-fs-cards. And Kubuntu DOES NOTHING!
[04:04] <Vge> onee eero, you have found distro thats not good for ya ;)
[04:04] <Vge> vitu onnee
[04:06] <eero> Wich one do you use by yourself?
[04:06] <Vge> kubuntu runs nice and smooth in my laptop
[04:06] <Daddy_D> I've been thinking, do you think its possible some times to have a bad installation of kubuntu, therefore causing a lot of issues?
[04:07] <Daddy_D> Because I might try to reinstall and see if some things will simply go away/
[04:07] <Vge> Daddy_D: you checked that your cd is ok?
[04:07] <Daddy_D> Then again, I could always wait for the next release in april
[04:08] <Daddy_D> I did use that command to see if the numbers match yes
[04:08] <eero> onneepa hyvinki, but i tought Kubuntu would work fine for me! I've installed Kubuntu 10 times and always had the same issues and problems.
[04:08] <Daddy_D> I see eero is giving me a hint
[04:09] <eero> no, i didn't.
[04:10] <Daddy_D> Ok let me explain. Yestuday I finally sort out my issue with the gateway by using the command line to type it as the GUI didnt like it or aknowledge. I restarted and all of a sudden no internet again. So i check the options and I see no gateway displayed. I go to konsole type route add default gw blablabla and it works. I even save it as profile but still dostn remember when reboot.
[04:10] <Daddy_D> There is always the option to leave it on DHCP and not hassle with this.
[04:11] <eero> what is the subject?
[04:11] <Daddy_D> lost IP's during reboots
[04:12] <Daddy_D> and some settings in general I guess
[04:12] <Vge> eero: have you tryed BUM (Boot Up Manager)?
[04:12] <eero> And unrecognized soundcard, dvdfs,... what's that BUM?
[04:12] <Vge> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[04:13] <liquidindian> Hello, is there any site that could tell me the advantages of KDE over Gnome (& vice versa)?
[04:14] <liquidindian> (I'm assuming it's a question you get here a lot)
[04:15] <eero> Yes, and one thing: how can i get the "apt-get" on Kubuntu to seek debs from the whole ubuntu reposities?
[04:15] <jpatrick> liquidindian: KDE has a LOT more features
[04:15] <ines> eero: adept is kde's synaptic. But you can use synaptic, and apt-get in kubuntu.
[04:15] <eero> adept has only about 4000 packages!
[04:16] <jpatrick> eero: enable universe
[04:16] <jpatrick> !sources
[04:16] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:16] <liquidindian> jpatrick: Is Gnome easier?  I'm a bit new but playing around with things.
[04:16] <jpatrick> liquidindian: GNOME was ...ok but I so badly prefer KDE
[04:17] <jpatrick> + I'm an MOTU KDE
[04:17] <eero> gnome doesn't look as candy, but you might find it more useable
[04:17] <Daddy_D> KDE looks better, you can modify it a lot so you get exactly what you want. Where GNOME I think is more for admins who want to concetrate on productivity rather than looks. In GNOME everything is more simple I guess.
[04:18] <liquidindian> MOTU?
[04:18] <Daddy_D> You can still manage it just as good but you might as well start from KDE.
[04:18] <vijay> hi everybody, i inserted bluetooth device into usb drive, but i dont know how to access it???
[04:18] <jpatrick> !motu
[04:18] <ubotu> hmm... motu is the Masters of the Universe ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU )
[04:18] <eero> In a nutshell!
[04:19] <Daddy_D> is there a Linux bible?
[04:19] <liquidindian> Ahh.
[04:20] <jpatrick> :)
[04:24] <malte> does anyone know if it's possible to rotate the view in x.org? i've a tft monitor which can do this, but then i need x.org to follow after :)
[04:24] <malte> so instead of 1280x1024 i want 1024x1280
[04:25] <Daddy_D> I think custom resolution is not a problem because you can type the numbers you wany
[04:26] <malte> oh, but it's not only the resolution i want to change.. i want the whole view to flip 90 degrees :)
[04:26] <Daddy_D> Hmm, my mistake. It seems that was possible on Mepis when I tried the live CD
[04:26] <Cyberwal83> wee
[04:27] <Cyberwal83> back and forward work like they're supposed to
[04:28] <malte> Daddy_D: mkay, thanks.. i'll google around some more :)
[04:29] <Daddy_D> I didnt said much, but Im a noob too so I dont know how you could change those settings
[04:30] <Daddy_D> unless it can be done specifically from command line
[04:31] <m0wax> I can't get my vncserver on ubuntu to use kde can anyone help?  I think its something to do with my ~/.vnc/xstartup configuration
[04:32] <jpatrick> m0wax: why not use the KDE apps for VNC?
[04:32] <m0wax> I don't think I have them installed, how would I access them?  I originally installed ubuntu and then just downloaded kde, if that makes any difference
[04:33] <_mindspin> has anyone a glue why firefox is so instable after switching to breezy ?
[04:33] <jpatrick> m0wax: K-menu -> Internet -> Krdc & Krfb
[04:33] <m0wax> _mindspin I had this problem as well.  I just downloaded and installed manually the most recent firefox and it seems to work fine
[04:34] <_mindspin> mmmh
[04:34] <m0wax> only problem is that you can't then apt-get install firefox-mplayer-plugin (or whatever) and have it work
[04:34] <ragna> !enlightment
[04:34] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ragna
[04:34] <_mindspin> did you uninstall the old one?
[04:35] <m0wax> jpatrick yeah I don't have that.  How would I get it?  Can I apt-get it?
[04:35] <m0wax> _mindspin yup
[04:35] <jpatrick> m0wax: yes
[04:35] <_mindspin> and saved your bookmarks first ;-)
[04:36] <m0wax> It was a fresh install so I didn't have any......I think it might just leave ~/.mozilla anyway
[04:36] <m0wax> but don't hold me to that
[04:36] <_mindspin> that came to my minsd too
[04:36] <_mindspin> Ill keep it and will make a backup copy first
[04:37] <m0wax> jpatrick: Are those packages not just for the client side of things?  I am looking to setup a server on my ubuntu box
[04:37] <m0wax> _mindspin good idea
[04:37] <jpatrick> m0wax: one's a client the other's a server for VNC
[04:39] <m0wax> jpatrick: thanks works a treat.  Any idea of I can create invititations from command line and wether I can setup a permanent password?
[04:39] <jpatrick> m0wax: it's all in the configation
[04:39] <kyo> wow, KDE is much much better then Gnome =)
[04:40] <m0wax> jpatrick: thanks
[04:40] <jpatrick> :)
[04:41] <Daddy_D> sorry malte, I was looking in the book but couldnt find anything regarding resolution.
[04:45] <fit4lfe> help need with xwindows and dapper
[04:45] <fit4lfe> can anyone help me out on this
[04:45] <_mindspin> !dapper
[04:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[04:46] <fit4lfe> I understand that but it is the only way to get xgl to work
[04:47] <fit4lfe> forget it I''m just going switch back to breezy
[04:49] <fit4lfe> !xgl
[04:49] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:51] <_mindspin> bleeding edge is ....
[04:51] <_mindspin> ah hurts sometimes
[04:51] <ragna> how can i make a safe uninstall of KDE???
[04:51] <benkong2> question. I dual boot kubuntu & gentoo every time I let updater do a dist-upgrade it grabs the gentoo vmlinuz kernel and uses it as the kubuntu kernel. How can I prevent this?
[04:54] <Daddy_D> heh, if you want the latest all the time Windows is your only option :P
[04:57] <Daddy_D> Ones I made a software disk with apps I considered vital. After 1 year they were so out of date I simply said I will never waste another CD for things like this.
[04:57] <Psi-Jack> Daddy_D: Same thing for Windows, even when you slipstream them. :)
[04:58] <Psi-Jack> And, besides. That's what CDRW or better, DVD-RW is for.
[05:04] <Blixou> bonjur y a du monde ?
[05:04] <Blixou> ousp bonjour*
[05:20] <ita_> ciao
[05:23] <simone> hi everybody
[05:23] <Daddy_D> I should have installed windows xp made with Nlite tools so I can remove most of the drivers and just make it a lot smaller.
[05:23] <Daddy_D> Could have saved so much space doing so
[05:23] <simone> I have a problem compiling qemu from source: the solution is to use /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include, but I don't know how to apply this solution :-)
[05:23] <simone> any help?
[05:23] <Daddy_D> I forgot
[05:28] <kyo> whats the command to fetch the lastest update?
[05:29] <_mindspin> slightly offtopic, where can I change the size of firefoxes menu fonts?
[05:29] <hatake_kakashi> apt-get upgrade
[05:29] <seezer> kyo: the latest update of? everything updateable? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:30] <kyo> Well everyone is off to lunch :)
[05:30] <seezer> _mindspin: gnome-font-properties
[05:30] <_mindspin> nope
[05:30] <kyo> ah, thanks seezer , hatake_kakashi
[05:30] <_mindspin> I changed it with no effect
[05:30] <seezer> restarted firefox?
[05:30] <_mindspin> I think I have to to it in chrome or somewhere
[05:31] <_mindspin> yep
[05:32] <kyo> when I install / upgrade new stuff, there isn't a need to reboot, right?
[05:32] <seezer> hm. i my knowledge about this comes from suse at work, here my fonts are fine. but i bet this has to work on kubuntu too.
[05:32] <hatake_kakashi> kyo: depends, if its kernel, you need to reboot for it to take effect
[05:32] <_mindspin> it worked before but for stability reasons i installed firefox from mozilla.org
[05:33] <seezer> kyo: reboot is only needed after a kernelupdate. i would also suggest a fresh login into kde after upgrading.
[05:34] <kyo> I see.
[05:35] <kyo> er, ubuntu can unzip .rar files right?
[05:35] <_mindspin> seezer: you were right, I was in the false menu Gnome-font properties did the trick...
[05:35] <Psi-Jack> kyo: You mean unrar? Yes.
[05:35] <jpatrick> hey Psi-Jack
[05:36] <kyo> unrar? Hmm ....
[05:36] <kyo> so what would the command line to unzip a .rar file?
[05:36] <Psi-Jack> You don't unzip a rar, because it's not zipped. You don't unzip a tar, because it's not a zip. You unrar a rar, and you untar a tar.
[05:36] <hatake_kakashi> kyo: I don't think under standard installations do have it, try 7zip or winrar
[05:36] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Morning'
[05:36] <_anilk> trappist: hi
[05:36] <trappist> hi _anilk
[05:36] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: I see you plan to do some packaging :)
[05:36] <_anilk> trappist: i upgraded to dapper
[05:36] <trappist> I'm sorry to hear that
[05:36] <_anilk> trappist: it removed my kde
[05:36] <seezer> _mindspin: tell me if you're settings stay after a reboot. i read the gnome/gtk fontsize is calculated by display-size values read from xserver.
[05:36] <_anilk> trappist: but apt-get install kde gets it back
[05:37] <trappist> you want apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <seezer> got a little crappy setup at work and after every reboot my settings are gone
[05:37] <_anilk> trappist: just that it did not do it by default
[05:37] <_mindspin> haha I won't reboot until in 5hours ;-)
[05:37] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Yes. I have a lexmark-z600 package almost ready. The only thing I have a problem with left, is how to seperate the _orig and diff to build the debian tree over the _orig contents.
[05:37] <_anilk> trappist: when i tried 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it gave some krita related dependency error
[05:38] <seezer> _mindspin: i'm no windoze installer ;) just tell me whenever you restarted.
[05:38] <_mindspin> sure
[05:38] <_anilk> trappist: remaining things are going fine. just updated you on what happened. thanks a lot.
[05:38] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: right....
[05:38] <trappist> _anilk: glad to hear it
[05:38] <trappist> _anilk: enjoy!
[05:38] <_anilk> trappis: bye !
[05:39] <simone> Problem compiling qemu from source: the solution is to use /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include, but I don't know how to apply this solution :-) help?
[05:39] <hatake_kakashi> kernel source or kernel headers
[05:40] <hatake_kakashi> in fact, in that case, its more likely kernel-headers
[05:40] <kyo> jpatrick: I see ...
[05:40] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Hehe. And it's a binary package, so .. I dunno. Right now, I just have the tar of the binary usr/* tree inside the debianized tarball, which the debian/rules untars to it's unified debian/<packagename> directory, and sets up some symlinks, and stuff. It /works/.  I just don't think the ubuntu/kubuntu packaging guys would like it like that.. I dunno. LOL
[05:40] <seezer> trappist: you're running dapper? do you know if there is a known issues list somewhere?
[05:41] <trappist> seezer: there's malone, the replacement for bugzilla
[05:41] <_anilk> simone: qemu worked for me
[05:41] <_anilk> simone: but then i was running my own compiled kernel.
[05:42] <seezer> trappist: ah, thx.
[05:43] <tid-wave> I don't have any timezones in the list :(
[05:43] <tid-wave> and time is set to UTC
[05:43] <tid-wave> both tzconfig and System Settings display no timezones/regions
[05:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:47] <jpatrick> slow-motion: hello
[05:47] <jpatrick> Psi-Jack: heh
[05:47] <slow-motion> hi jpatrick
[05:48] <simone> _anilk: I following this ubuntuforums' thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66694
[05:49] <simone> I have an error, than in another place is solved, but they simply say: I use "/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include instead". Instead of what????
[05:50] <simone> I don't understand how to apply this solution... I'm not an expert in this kind of things.
[05:50] <simone> btw, when I "make" it, it gives me an error.
[05:50] <_anilk> simone: hmm
[05:51] <simone> I'm sure I need to edit the "configure" file
[05:51] <simone> and replace something with /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include
[05:51] <simone> but... ??? I'm simply lost
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> jpatrick: Heh. I guess, it would actually even be better, if I could somehow "transform" the original Lexmark-provided tarball into the whole thing somehow. Probably the best means, from a licensing standpoint, huh? :-/
[05:55] <jpatrick> ok
[05:55] <jpatrick> yep*
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> I guess when I get back in a few mins, that'll be what I'll try for. heh
[06:01] <GameCat> can anyone advise me on changing video card? nvidia geforce 4 > nvidia FX 5500
[06:02] <GameCat> can I just swap them and reboot (will it be reconfigured?) or is there more to do?
[06:05] <jshadow> Gamecat: I did a similiar swap a while back and needed no extra config changes
[06:06] <jshadow> mine was from a geforce 4 to some kind of FX, and it worked right away, no changes
[06:06] <GameCat> jshadow: thats good news, thanks
[06:06] <jshadow> np
[06:06] <GameCat> here goes :)
[06:13] <nowotny> hello... anyone here using quanta editor...?
[06:26] <Daddy_D> I have fx5500 too
[06:26] <Daddy_D> so no need to change default drivers from kubuntu?
[06:28] <GameCat> jshadow: it worked fine, and everything runs lovely - ta for the advice
[06:28] <Daddy_D> Oh and another thing. This is more concerning thos who play games. Do you have any overcloking programs for video cards?
[06:30] <jshadow> GameCat: cool, no prob
[06:31] <jshadow> Daddy_D: are you using the nv or the nvidia driver? nvidia would be the one you want for gaming
[06:31] <Cyberwal83> hey..
[06:31] <Cyberwal83> is there a reason that I can't run wine with sude when I select arts sound?
[06:32] <Daddy_D> I have no idea
[06:32] <Daddy_D> how do I find out?
[06:32] <jshadow> you're probably running nv then, you'll want to install the package nvidia-glx
[06:33] <Daddy_D> ok I will do it now
[06:33] <jshadow> then in a terminal type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org"
[06:33] <kkathman> just make sure your card is supported
[06:33] <Cyberwal83> when I run TA Spring with sudo and OSS sound, everything works but sound <.<y
[06:33] <kkathman> if you dont, you'll be in a world of hurt
[06:33] <jshadow> this is true
[06:33] <jshadow> though I think all FXs would be ok
[06:34] <sniff> peeps
[06:37] <Daddy_D> I dont understand I guess the command you told me is right but when I click in adept install nvidia-gix nothing much happenes really
[06:37] <erhan_R> hi
[06:37] <Daddy_D> I cant understand this adept
[06:38] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[06:38] <hupp3l> how do I add new hardware in ubuntu?
[06:38] <hupp3l> or rather kubuntu?
[06:38] <seezer> Daddy_D: you first set all your wishes - install,update,uninstall. then click 'preview changes' and 'commit changes'
[06:39] <Daddy_D> aaah, I better paste what the message is because I think there is something wrong with x server not the nvidia drivers
[06:39] <hatake_kakashi> apt-get, synaptic, kynaptic, adept, aptitude, etc
[06:39] <Daddy_D> oh ok maybe this will hhelp
[06:40] <seezer> hupp3l: what are you trying?
[06:40] <hupp3l> I have a new wireless card
[06:40] <hupp3l> for my laptop
[06:40] <hupp3l> I have an internal one(broadcom)
[06:41] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: it should be detected under kernel, check via lspci
[06:41] <hupp3l> and bought an airlink101 for $7
[06:41] <hupp3l> I want to install the airlink101
[06:41] <Daddy_D> jshadow-afk:  http://pastebin.com/559829
[06:41] <hupp3l> but its not working, I mean i probably need to install the driver?
[06:41] <Daddy_D> this is what I get when I type the command you gave me
[06:42] <Daddy_D> seezer, thanks dude. Now I know why I could never intstall anything
[06:42] <hupp3l> nope i dont see it under lspci
[06:42] <seezer> Daddy_D: ;)
[06:43] <Cyberwal83> uh
[06:44] <angasule> is anyone here good with font issues?
[06:44] <Cyberwal83> a game just set my screen res to 640x how do I set it back?
[06:44] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: I presume its plugged in under pcmcia right? check to see if you did not disable pcmcia detection at boot
[06:44] <seezer> Cyberwal83: ctrl alt + or ctrl alt -
[06:44] <Daddy_D> brb
[06:45] <Cyberwal83> ctrl alt + or - do nothing :(
[06:45] <hupp3l> well i put it in after i booted
[06:45] <hupp3l> how do i check if i disabled it?
[06:45] <Cyberwal83> ok got it :O
[06:47] <Cyberwal83> ok.. so is there a way to make wine use alsa and not rts? I looked around on winehq but I must be blind
[06:48] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst| grep pcmcia
[06:49] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: if the output returns nothing, then I presume its not disabled. If its not disabled, check dmesg| tail
[06:50] <hupp3l> do i hav to wait long for an output?
[06:50] <hatake_kakashi> no
[06:50] <tilo> 'ello
[06:50] <hatake_kakashi> its usually immediately
[06:51] <hupp3l> do i have to type that whole command?
[06:51] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: of course
[06:51] <noteventime> I have a problem, since I upgraded to dapper drake I have idle CPU usage at 40-70%
[06:51] <hupp3l> cat/boot/grub/menu.lst|grep pcmcia?
[06:51] <noteventime> I can't find the process in KSysGuard
[06:52] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: there is a space between cat and / as well as after |
[06:52] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: cat is a command
[06:52] <hupp3l> o ok
[06:52] <noteventime> cat /dev/mouse ;)
[06:53] <hupp3l> ok
[06:53] <hupp3l> no output
[06:53] <hatake_kakashi> noteventime: cat /proc/kcore ;)
[06:53] <noteventime> hehe
[06:53] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: ok, do dmesg| tail
[06:53] <noteventime> . /dev/mouse whas wrong but you get the point
[06:53] <hupp3l> what do I look for in that output?
[06:54] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: look for something to do with pcmcia or new card, etc
[06:54] <hupp3l> card inserted into slot 0
[06:54] <noteventime> Could someone help me find out what process is taking up the CPU?
[06:55] <Spudchat> noteventime: top
[06:55] <noteventime> aha
[06:55] <Spudchat> noteventime: it will show you what is using the most cpu in real time
[06:55] <noteventime> hmmm.... something is wrong
[06:56] <noteventime> the highest only is 1%
[06:56] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: more info?
[06:56] <noteventime> while ksysguard tells me 50% is used
[06:56] <hupp3l> cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power.
[06:56] <hupp3l> [4350689.692000]  pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0
[06:56] <Spudchat> by one process or in total?
[06:56] <noteventime> total: 50% and in top i see three processes with 3% each
[06:56] <hupp3l> i guess it cant apply power to that slot?
[06:57] <noteventime> 1% each i mean
[06:57] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: not sure, I think something doesn't seem too right, check with the forums
[06:58] <hupp3l> thank you for trying to help me
[06:58] <hupp3l> im not supposed to install the driver?
[06:58] <noteventime> Some has any more ideas ^^
[06:59] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: check with lspci.. I presume there is no mentioning of that card brand?
[06:59] <hatake_kakashi> noteventime: you presume that there is something churning away your CPU usage?
[07:00] <Spudchat> noteventime: im lookin at my ksysqaurd and its a lot like yours, top shows only a few at a couple percent, but ksysgaurd shows 50% is in use
[07:00] <hatake_kakashi> wait.. isn't ksysguard process monitor?
[07:00] <noteventime> yes
[07:00] <noteventime> But it monitors CPU usage
[07:00] <hatake_kakashi> well, quit that, goto konsole and run 'top'
[07:01] <Spudchat> ksysgaurd says "performance monitor" next to it
[07:01] <noteventime> I'm not runnign ksysguard
[07:01] <hupp3l> hatake_kakashi:  no there isnt
[07:01] <noteventime> i did :), but not while using top
[07:01] <Spudchat> and according to top its using 10% of my cpu eheh
[07:01] <noteventime> My superkaramba thingy also shows me 50% usage
[07:02] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: looks like something is wrong with it, the laptop is not giving the pcmcia device power imo, try plugging it to another pcmcia slot or retry again
[07:02] <noteventime> And yes i was using superkaramba before uppgrade
[07:02] <hupp3l> i only have one pci slot on my laptop
[07:02] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: well retry plugging it again
[07:03] <hupp3l> do I need to restart the laptop before plugging in or can I just plug it out and in
[07:04] <noteventime> hupp3l: Are you running Kubuntu on an Laptop?
[07:04] <hupp3l> yes
[07:04] <noteventime> Do you use WPA?
[07:04] <Daddy_D> hey you know that thing you said about the nvidia driver? It was true. I havent got linux anymore
[07:04] <hupp3l> no right now only wep
[07:04] <noteventime> ok
[07:04] <Daddy_D> it fails to boot during start up
[07:04] <hupp3l> why?
[07:05] <noteventime> Just wanted to know if you had as much problems as me trying to get it to eork :)
[07:05] <hupp3l> o ok what wireless card are you using?
[07:05] <seezer> Daddy_D: what does it tell you?
[07:05] <colm> is there a repository for koffice 1.5beta?
[07:06] <Daddy_D> hmm I need to take a look
[07:06] <noteventime> Some centrino packaged
[07:06] <hupp3l> hatake_kakashi: it says PCMCIA: socket d55ef828: *** DANGER *** unable to remove socket power
[07:06] <noteventime> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[07:06] <seezer> colm: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice15beta1 breezy main
[07:06] <hupp3l> o
[07:07] <colm> seezer, thanks.  want a shot of that krita CMYK ;-)
[07:07] <noteventime> I cant use the Intel drivers any more...
[07:07] <Cyberwal83> great
[07:07] <Cyberwal83> Cedega won't even start the game
[07:07] <Cyberwal83> wonderful
[07:07] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: hmm
[07:08] <noteventime> Doent matter though, general drivers work fine
[07:08] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: well I'm not too sure, it maybe an issue with the kernel I think
[07:08] <Daddy_D> module dependanices, mounting local file system, syncronizing clock to ubuntu.com, and some random number generator has failed
[07:08] <seezer> colm: things i'll never (try) to understand. but nice that not everyone needs to be an artist ;)
[07:09] <hupp3l> hmmm ok. im going to keep it in and restart and try my luck
[07:09] <hupp3l> thanx again
[07:09] <seezer> Daddy_D: but not because of nvidia-glx, for sure
[07:09] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: couldn't be much of a help I'm afraid, I never used laptop to that extent
[07:09] <seezer> nvidia driver is loaded after all those messages
[07:09] <Daddy_D> FATAL: Could not open lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep.temp for writting: Read-only file system   [fail]
[07:09] <noteventime> Is dapper drake xgl accelerated, my desktop feels much faster anyway
[07:10] <hupp3l> its ok
[07:10] <seezer> Daddy_D: hm. what else did you install? can you see any 'can't mount bla on foo' messages?
[07:10] <hupp3l> o is there a way to automate my connect to my wireless
[07:10] <noteventime> in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:11] <hupp3l> i have broadcom and have to ifconfig up it everytime
[07:11] <noteventime> add auto YOUR_NEWORK_CARD
[07:11] <noteventime> and if you have to run some script prior to it just run pre-up SCRIPT_NAME
[07:11] <hupp3l> add command not found
[07:11] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: you need to edit that file with a text editor
[07:11] <noteventime> add into the file :)
[07:12] <hupp3l> o lol
[07:12] <Daddy_D> seezer, when I press shift +up it dosent go up. I will restart again and see if I can find another failuer
[07:12] <Daddy_D> I dont remember installing anything else
[07:12] <Daddy_D> it worked fine before
[07:13] <seezer> did you check 'preview changes' before actually committing?
[07:13] <Daddy_D> no
[07:13] <seezer> shouldn't break it anyway, but you could know if you got another kernel now
[07:13] <hupp3l> do i also just add the scripts I use into that file?
[07:13] <Daddy_D> well I think the rest is ok. Only this error which I believe is the kernel
[07:14] <seezer> did you use a selfbrewed kernel?
[07:14] <seezer> (before)
[07:14] <noteventime> if you need to run a script first you can use pre-up SCRIPT
[07:14] <Daddy_D> I use the default kernel that comes with kubuntu
[07:14] <Daddy_D> I've only used linux for 2 days
[07:15] <hupp3l> how do I create a script?
[07:15] <Daddy_D> I guess I did try to install VideoLan which said BRAKE-Install
[07:15] <Daddy_D> and then gave me error anyway that could not be installed
[07:15] <seezer> it can't mount your root partition - this most likely due to your kernel not recognizing the used filesystem. but with default kernel this should work..
[07:15] <Daddy_D> I dont think this is the reason
[07:15] <seezer> can you try the 'failsafe' bootmode?
[07:16] <Daddy_D> I have another HD inside I will see if it will work after unpluging it
[07:16] <Daddy_D> ah yeah good idea
[07:16] <Daddy_D> I will give it a go
[07:16] <seezer> did you plug the additional HD right before your last boot?
[07:17] <Daddy_D> no i did it like this afternoon and rebooted many times before this
[07:17] <hupp3l> how do I create a script?
[07:17] <Spudchat> what kind of script?
[07:17] <Daddy_D> I think it was just after I did the nvidia drivers....who knows
[07:17] <seezer> Daddy_D: ok. so check failsafe please.
[07:17] <Spudchat> a bash shell script or what?
[07:18] <colm> seezer, i'm not an artist either.  just need to send something to the printers in cmyk format...  without paying the adobe charges hopefully!
[07:18] <hupp3l> a script to do a bunch of commands
[07:18] <Daddy_D> ok I cant even access recovery mode
[07:18] <seezer> colm: hmkay ;)
[07:18] <noteventime> just write them into a textfile
[07:18] <seezer> Daddy_D: same thing?
[07:18] <hupp3l> ok cool
[07:19] <Spudchat> start with !#/bin/bash and go from there
[07:19] <noteventime> ............^- needs to be first line
[07:19] <Daddy_D> hmm, it did ask me for root password I pressed Ctrl D and different errors appeared
[07:19] <Daddy_D> wait, I will type them in.
[07:19] <seezer> no - just read the text above
[07:19] <seezer> and tell me
[07:19] <hupp3l> what does that mean neventime?
[07:20] <noteventime> hehe, nothing
[07:20] <noteventime> Just ignore that
[07:20] <hupp3l> ok
[07:20] <hupp3l> and i save it as a text file?
[07:21] <noteventime> You can save it without extension
[07:21] <noteventime> Or use sh
[07:21] <seezer> hupp3l: better try it with a 'echo hello world' first ;)
[07:21] <Spudchat> eheh
[07:22] <noteventime> is KOffice better than OpenOffice? (In your opinion)
[07:23] <hupp3l> and do i need to add the sudo thing infront of each command?
[07:23] <noteventime> Actualy i dont know, but i dont think so
[07:23] <noteventime> i think the script is run as root
[07:24] <Daddy_D> Ok, read what lines aboe?
[07:24] <hupp3l> ok cool
[07:24] <noteventime> But better ask someone who knows :P
[07:24] <Daddy_D> oh wait
[07:24] <seezer> Daddy_D: there is an explanation why you have to insert your password
[07:24] <Daddy_D> Im in kubuntu now but command line only
[07:24] <hupp3l> how do i save the script if I need root access?
[07:25] <vge> hmm, whats the console alternatinve to KDE:s network "enable device", "sudo ifup eth0"?
[07:25] <noteventime> I think the scipt after pre-up is run as root
[07:25] <Daddy_D> can I reload the kernel somehow
[07:25] <seezer> Daddy_D: ah. ok. in failsafe? or the normal bootmode?
[07:25] <Daddy_D> failsafe
[07:25] <noteventime> what is the adress for the amaroK 1.4 beta 1 repo?
[07:26] <hupp3l> no thats not what i meant . When i try to save the script it says error writing FILENAME; permission denied
[07:26] <noteventime> aha
[07:26] <noteventime> run kate as root
[07:27] <noteventime> kdesu kate or sude kate
[07:28] <seezer> Daddy_D: ls /lib/modules/ shows you how much entries?
[07:28] <Daddy_D> it shows 2.6.12-9-386
[07:29] <vge> adome is not in the repos? :)
[07:29] <seezer> ok - so just one kernel - no update done there
[07:29] <Daddy_D> yes
[07:29] <Daddy_D> I got one and I broke it already
[07:29] <Captainbraille> Can Kaffeine play wmv files?
[07:30] <seezer> i'd need to know the first error messages.. can you look for it in /var/log/kern.log?
[07:30] <seezer> Captainbraille: with the correct ugly codecs installed, yes
[07:30] <Daddy_D> hmm permission denied
[07:30] <Daddy_D> if u give me a second I will log in as a root and find out
[07:31] <seezer> Daddy_D: these files are just for the admin of this box - try with sudo
[07:31] <Captainbraille> seezer: what would you reccommend for wmv files then?
[07:31] <seezer> Captainbraille: w32codecs
[07:31] <seezer> Captainbraille: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main
[07:32] <seezer> add this to your sources.list and you'll be able to install them with apt-get
[07:32] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody has idea to make krusader's ftp feature like the totalcommander's ftp ? I mean it the account window, where i can select an account and conenct it...
[07:32] <seezer> (after apt-get update)
[07:32] <MetaMorfoziS> And i not must type all thimes my pw and username
[07:32] <Captainbraille> ohh, okay
[07:33] <Captainbraille> thanks seezer!
[07:33] <Captainbraille> seezer: should I still use Kaffeine or a different player?
[07:33] <seezer> Daddy_D: gonna get some oil from the basement. i'm freezing.. i'll be back in about 15 minutes
[07:34] <Daddy_D> ok no problem
[07:34] <Daddy_D> Im here
[07:34] <seezer> Captainbraille: i like and use kaffeine. it's "just" a kde gui for xine and mplayer afaik. those alone are good too.
[07:34] <seezer> videolan is worth a try too
[07:35] <seezer> ok, cu later guys
[07:35] <Captainbraille> seezer: ohh, okay, and I'm using the GStreamer engine, will that work too?
[07:38] <hupp3l> videolan is awsome
[07:38] <hupp3l> use that
[07:38] <Captainbraille> videolan?
[07:38] <hatake_kakashi> vlc
[07:38] <hupp3l> VLC
[07:38] <hatake_kakashi> !tell Captainbraille about vlc
[07:39] <hupp3l> tbh it is probably the best video player out there
[07:39] <hupp3l> apt-get install vlc
[07:39] <Daddy_D> that wont do anything
[07:40] <seezer> hupp3l:  (if you know just those available for windows) ;P
[07:40] <seezer> now really gone..
[07:40] <Daddy_D> you must add in source.list the webpages and type sudo apt-get update then apt-get install vlc
[07:40] <hatake_kakashi> !info vlc
[07:40] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[07:40] <hupp3l> well yeah just add the backports
[07:41] <Daddy_D> but I didnt know that and was wondering why it gives me errors
[07:42] <hupp3l> ok
[07:42] <hupp3l> sorry i shouldnt assume
[07:42] <Daddy_D> I know it says on the VLC webpage but after I started wondering why I cant modify the source.list
[07:42] <Daddy_D> there is always something. And by the way I still havent installed it :P
[07:42] <hupp3l> y not?
[07:44] <hupp3l> really there hasnt been one video type that i couldnt play on vlc
[07:44] <Daddy_D> Because I just rebooted after installing some Nvidia drivers or something and I dont have linux anymore
[07:44] <noteventime> i havn't got mvk working
[07:44] <noteventime> matroska
[07:44] <noteventime> mkv*
[07:44] <Daddy_D> Im waiting on seezer to help me out when he puts oil in the heater
[07:46] <Daddy_D> but Im so hungry I also might disappear and do it a bit later
[07:47] <hatake_kakashi> !mkv
[07:47] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:47] <Daddy_D> not good impressions with linux so far :(
[07:47] <hatake_kakashi> noteventime: probably you can play it via vlc
[07:48] <poningru> Daddy_D: whats wrong?
[07:48] <morrow> hrm.. my workstation only boots with kernel option irqpoll...
[07:52] <seezer> re
[07:53] <Daddy_D> hey seezer even when I log in as root a I still dont have permission to see the kern.log
[07:54] <hatake_kakashi> ubotu: mkv is Matroska video format. You can play it with vlc, see !vlc
[07:54] <ubotu> okay, hatake_kakashi
[07:54] <seezer> Daddy_D: what did you type?
[07:54] <hatake_kakashi> !mkv
[07:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, mkv is Matroska video format. You can play it with vlc, see !vlc
[07:54] <Daddy_D> root@kubuntu:~# /var/log/kern.log
[07:55] <seezer> this would execute the file
[07:55] <Daddy_D> Permission denied
[07:55] <Daddy_D> oh
[07:55] <seezer> but a logfile is hardly executed
[07:55] <seezer> try with an editor: vim /var/log/kern.log
[07:56] <poningru> hatake_kakashi: do you know how to mount an iso file?
[07:56] <hatake_kakashi> poningru: you mount it via -o loop
[07:56] <poningru> ah loop gotcha
[07:56] <poningru> thanks
[07:56] <hatake_kakashi> poningru: np
[07:56] <Daddy_D> err how do I quit the editor?
[07:57] <hatake_kakashi> Daddy_D: which editor?
[07:57] <Daddy_D> vi
[07:57] <hatake_kakashi> Daddy_D: :q to quit, :q! to not save and quit. :x to save and quit
[07:57] <Daddy_D> phhew
[07:57] <poningru> hatake_kakashi: wow didnt know about x
[07:57] <poningru> :x that is
[07:58] <hatake_kakashi> poningru: heh help pages are always handy
[07:58] <hatake_kakashi> but I prefer to use vim instead of vi
[07:58] <poningru> true
[07:58] <Daddy_D> anyway, so the line says error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vimrc:  line 58   E483 Can't get temp file name
[07:59] <hatake_kakashi> Daddy_D: did you try putting something without saving the file?
[07:59] <noteventime> The gst-engine claims it cannot play MP3 files.??!?!?
[07:59] <Daddy_D> nope
[07:59] <hatake_kakashi> !tell noteventime about mp3
[07:59] <hatake_kakashi> Daddy_D: hmm
[07:59] <noteventime> i have installed win32codecs
[08:00] <Daddy_D> I am really starving now. seezer can I get back to do this in a bit?#
[08:00] <Daddy_D> If you have skype it might be even easier man
[08:00] <hatake_kakashi> noteventime: you probably have to edit specific bindings I think.. not sure exactly how, check with gstreamer-engine source? or google?
[08:00] <Daddy_D> if you can help the better
[08:01] <seezer> i could take a look through ssh if you want
[08:01] <Daddy_D> ssh?
[08:01] <seezer> but first have to shower or my girlfriend will beat me later
[08:01] <Daddy_D> yeah ok Im gonna eat too so I will see you in about 1 hour or so
[08:01] <Daddy_D> I will pm you or something
[08:02] <seezer> alright
[08:02] <Daddy_D> chao
[08:02] <seezer> enjoy your meal
[08:02] <hupp3l> where do I copy my wallpapers to?
[08:02] <seezer> bye
[08:02] <hupp3l> or rather where is the wallpapers located @?
[08:03] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: why? do you want to make it accessible to everyone?
[08:03] <hupp3l> no I want to get other wallpapers and copy it there
[08:04] <hupp3l> i like the sarcasm hatake_kakashi
[08:04] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: no I meant accessible to all users
[08:04] <hupp3l> o lol
[08:04] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: its probably under /usr/share/kde/wallpapers.. just go configure desktop and then select set wallpaper or something
[08:05] <hupp3l> ok thank you
[08:05] <hatake_kakashi> hupp3l: np
[08:06] <phipa> ?
[08:06] <hupp3l> i tried to install firefox using apt-get
[08:06] <colm> seezer, got cmyk going now.  This should be shouted from the rooftops!  thx
[08:06] <hupp3l> and it went through but there is nothing on my menu
[08:06] <hupp3l> is there something else i need to do?
[08:07] <vge> well better would be to install the 1.5 version
[08:07] <vge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:08] <hupp3l> ok will try
[08:18] <MetaMorfoziS> hupp3l: if you are under kde you need some other things for the base firefox feeling:)
[08:18] <noteventime> What?
[08:18] <MetaMorfoziS> search @ kde-look.org for the following things: Kdialog , Winterfox
[08:19] <MetaMorfoziS> and you need some theme, like noia because the base gtk skin isn't nice (i think:))
[08:19] <fit4lfe> what is the easiest way to get remote desktop from a windows box to kde
[08:21] <MetaMorfoziS> and hupp3l  apt-get install msttcorefonts
[08:22] <tid-wave> every time i install something with apt-get i get this warning:
[08:22] <tid-wave> Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16.
[08:22] <tid-wave> Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 17.
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> fit4lfe: krdc - kde remote desktop client
[08:26] <fit4lfe> k
[08:32] <hupp3l> how do I link an icon to an application?
[08:33] <hupp3l> like I made a shortcut to the panel but it doesnt show the nice firefox icon
[08:34] <hupp3l> nevermind
[08:34] <hupp3l> i got it
[08:35] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:39] <_ganymed> hallo
[08:41] <Captainbraille> How do I configure my soundcard to set up ALSA?
[08:44] <seezer> Captainbraille: if you didn't change it before, you're already running it
[08:44] <kkathman> alsa normally runs by default
[08:44] <Captainbraille> seezer: I try to run ALSA with amaroK but it won't work, I don't hear anything, but OSS works
[08:46] <seezer> hm perhaps muted in 'alsamixer'?
[08:46] <Captainbraille> lemme check
[08:48] <noteventime> have you tried arts?
[08:49] <Captainbraille> I tried it before, it was working
[08:49] <Captainbraille> seezer: center was muted, but it's unmuted now, and it's still not playing =\
[08:50] <seezer> and master+pcm are set to somethinge above zero right?
[08:50] <seezer> something
[08:50] <Captainbraille> seezer: both at 81
[08:52] <seezer> hm. but anyway, this should be the oss emulation of alsa
[08:53] <dumezil> anyone know if the package unison is available?
[08:53] <seezer> i think the default kernel just got alsa in it since alsa can emulate oss. mut you can listen to music while searching the forums for better help ;)
[08:53] <seezer> dumezil: yes it is
[08:54] <dumezil> why doesn't it show up in adept for me then?
[08:54] <seezer> dumezil: did you update your sources?
[08:55] <_ganymed> hi. i have tried on the debian channel... no luck, so i'll try here. when i boot my pc with a 2.6.13 kernel i get random kernel panics with the message: "Code: Bad EIP value:" any ideas what could cause this?
[08:55] <dumezil> yep...  running 5.10 breezy badger or whatever
[08:55] <dumezil> doing an apt-cache search unison returns no results either
[08:57] <JohnFlux> btw, katapult is pretty damn cool
[08:58] <seezer> dumezil: http://nopaste.php-q.net/192630 this is my sources.list
[08:59] <Daddy_D> hey seezer im back
[08:59] <seezer> from you're magical journey
[08:59] <Daddy_D> wanna take a look at the problem?
[08:59] <seezer> your..
[08:59] <Daddy_D> eh
[08:59] <Daddy_D> heh
[09:00] <seezer> second
[09:00] <Daddy_D> do you want me to pm you?
[09:01] <seezer> ok
[09:02] <dumezil> what does the universe and multiverse in sources.lst do?
[09:03] <seezer> these are special repositories. check out kubuntu dokumentation for further information
[09:04] <Daddy_D> ah I cant pm
[09:04] <Daddy_D> its disabled in freenode?
[09:05] <crimsun> you can't pm if you're not identified
[09:05] <Daddy_D> mm k
[09:05] <Daddy_D> seezer do you want to do this over skype?
[09:06] <seezer> Daddy_D: join channel #daddy-seezer
[09:06] <_ganymed> ok, now i get: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference... kernel panic. any ideas?
[09:07] <Daddy_D> k
[09:23] <tilo> 'ello again, is there any repo that has the, more or less, newest CVS version of mesa
[09:27] <tilo> Anyone here tried Compiz?
[09:32] <trappist> who was it in here that wanted feedback on the amarok1.4 beta1 packages?
[09:34] <dumezil> when i try some of the opengl screen savers, they only show up on the top half or third of my display?  anyone konw why?
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> at configure i have this
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[09:34] <trappist> wow, never seen that one.  what video card?
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> why?
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> i have qt4-core
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> why it needs qt?
[09:35] <trappist> you need libqt3-dev and/or libqt3-headers
[09:35] <MetaMorfoziS> i have libqt3-dev
[09:35] <MetaMorfoziS> but libqt3-headers not found
[09:36] <MetaMorfoziS> no...
[09:36] <MetaMorfoziS> so i have these:
[09:36] <MetaMorfoziS> libqt3-headers
[09:36] <trappist> lame.  I guess the next step is to peek into the configure script and see how it's checking for it, or ./configure --help and see how to specify the location of the qt headers.
[09:36] <MetaMorfoziS> libqt3-mt-dev
[09:37] <MetaMorfoziS> ahm
[09:37] <MetaMorfoziS> (i'm lame, you spoke good)
[09:37] <trappist> :)
[09:38] <MetaMorfoziS> --with-qt-includes=DIR  where the Qt includes are.
[09:38] <MetaMorfoziS>   --with-qt-libraries=DIR where the Qt library is installed.
[09:38] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i find qt?
[09:38] <MetaMorfoziS> whereis returned null
[09:38] <MetaMorfoziS> whereis libqt3-mt-dev
[09:38] <trappist> dpkg -L libqt3-dev | grep include
[09:39] <trappist> or libqt3-mt-dev, if it'll accept those
[09:39] <trappist> that's for the headers.  for the libs, dpkg -L libqt3-mt | grep /lib/
[09:40] <MetaMorfoziS> it said, the libqt3 isn't able to setup but it writen a list about libqts that can replace it
[09:40] <MetaMorfoziS> but i have all of these installed
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> dpkg -L libqt3-mt | grep /lib/
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> returned ~30 lines of *.so
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> and other
[09:41] <trappist> you want to give the configure script the directory those .so's are in
[09:41] <trappist> and .a's etc.
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> copy it?
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> copy the installation files to the so-s directory?
[09:46] <MetaMorfoziS> or reverse?
[09:51] <_ganymed> ciao
[09:52] <osh_> I'm thinking of building a website for my family, it needs to be easy to update and maintain so I'm looking at some blog-software to do the job. Anyone got any hints on which blog/wiki to choose? Wordpress/XOOPS/Something else?
[09:55] <mae> any kde equivalent to ekiga or gnome meeting?
[09:57] <jpatrick> Konference
[09:57] <mae> it does sip also?
[09:57] <slow-motion> re
[10:02] <wickers> anyone here also in #ubuntu?
[10:02] <hatake_kakashi> yes why?
[10:03] <noteventime> yes
[10:03] <wickers> I'm banned out of it for some reason
[10:03] <wickers> (no idea really)
[10:03] <noteventime> I am... Why do you wonder?
[10:03] <noteventime> ok :/...
[10:03] <wickers> how would I got about talking to an op there?
[10:04] <noteventime> Dunno :)
[10:04] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[10:04] <wickers> I have not logged into #ubuntu in like half a month, so I have no idea how/why I (or maybe my ISP) has been banned.
[10:04] <hatake_kakashi> wickers: you were banned by Seveas
[10:04] <wickers> And I'm not a dick or anything...
[10:04] <hatake_kakashi> try #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:05] <wickers> usually I try to help people.
[10:05] <wickers> so I'm surprised
[10:05] <hatake_kakashi> you were banned by nickname
[10:05] <wickers> nickname or Seveas?
[10:06] <noteventime> Is anyone of you using dapper drake?
[10:06] <hatake_kakashi> Seveas is the one who banned you
[10:06] <hatake_kakashi> noteventime: not I, I'm still on breezy
[10:06] <noteventime> ok
[10:06] <noteventime> Im trying to get compiz to work right now, if it would it would be nice :)
[10:06] <hatake_kakashi> wickers: you're probably banned because someone abused your nickname or I don't know
[10:07] <wickers> well I'm talking to him now.
[10:07] <wickers> thanks
[10:07] <hatake_kakashi> np
[10:08] <morrow> !ntfs
[10:08] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:08] <noteventime> :) Hope the new packages include new mesa
[10:10] <yann> Hello
[10:10] <mae> heh can someone have an sip video chat with me? i want to test my webcam :)
[10:11] <yann> Looking to install Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, but I can not find a suitable entry to put into my sources.list. I run breezy. I found a doc to install manually, but I would prefer to have most of my softs installed through apt-get install.
[10:12] <yann> Would you have a suggestion ? Thx
[10:12] <noteventime> Firefox shouldnt be a prob installing from the original tarball because it has autoupdates builtin
[10:13] <yann> noteventime: even if run as a standard user? The auto-update goes to the user home, under .mozilla ?
[10:13] <noteventime> It worked for me anyway :)
[10:17] <slow-motion> yann whait a second and i can give you my sources.list
[10:18] <yann> slow-motion: ok, I wait ;-)
[10:19] <noteventime> compiz.real: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing... This is becauce of "old" mesa, right?
[10:19] <slow-motion> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/560184 < here is it yann
[10:20] <yann> got it, thx!
[10:22] <yann> Oups, I have to go. Thanks you all, bye !
[10:22] <noteventime> Bye
[10:23] <sebastian> folks
[10:23] <sebastian> why is kubuntu/ubuntu not playing wmv files?
[10:23] <hatake_kakashi> !tell sebastian about wmv
[10:24] <ragna> hatake_kakashi: DUDDDDDDDDDDDDE!!! hey =D wazaap?
[10:27] <noteventime> sebasian: You need win32codecs
[10:27] <noteventime> from the PLF repositry
[10:28] <TiNePaS> hi
[10:28] <MetaMorfoziS> i have this
[10:28] <TiNePaS> I've a problem compiling the modules for lirc
[10:28] <MetaMorfoziS> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8794
[10:28] <MetaMorfoziS> any ideas?
[10:28] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the problem?
[10:28] <TiNePaS> not compile
[10:29] <TiNePaS> :(
[10:29] <TiNePaS> the make don'r find the kenrel source
[10:29] <_mindspin> !gcc
[10:29] <ubotu> I guess gcc is the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.  You can install gcc with 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[10:30] <TiNePaS> mmm
[10:30] <TiNePaS> the assistan don't find the kernel source
[10:30] <TiNePaS> is normal?
[10:31] <sebastian> i have win32codecs but still doesnt play wmv filesubuntu
[10:31] <MetaMorfoziS> you have gtreamer plugins?
[10:31] <MetaMorfoziS> and you have registered it?
[10:32] <sebastian> i have all the plugins
[10:32] <sebastian> and they are registered
[10:32] <MetaMorfoziS> have you got mplayer?
[10:32] <MetaMorfoziS> or totem?
[10:32] <sebastian> all of them
[10:33] <MetaMorfoziS> ok... idunno
[10:34] <_mindspin> TiNePaS: apt-cache pkgnames |grep kernel
[10:34] <sebastian> what worries me
[10:34] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody can help me about the finding the problem in this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8794 ?
[10:34] <sebastian> is that ubuntu installs old version of win32 packages
[10:37] <TiNePaS> the make don'f find the kenrel source
[10:37] <TiNePaS> :(
[10:38] <jshadow> TiNePas: what kernel are you using?
[10:39] <TiNePaS> 2.6.12
[10:39] <jshadow> 386?
[10:39] <TiNePaS> for k7
[10:40] <jshadow> install the package linux-headers-k7 and then it should compile ok
[10:40] <TiNePaS> it is installed
[10:41] <jshadow> hmm, what is it you're trying to compile?
[10:41] <TiNePaS> a module
[10:41] <TiNePaS> for lirc
[10:41] <TiNePaS> when i install lirc-module-source
[10:42] <TiNePaS> it compile the module automatic
[10:42] <TiNePaS> but it don't find the kernel source
[10:42] <jshadow> do you have a symbolic link for /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-k7?
[10:43] <jshadow> or whatever the directory is
[10:43] <TiNePaS> i think yes
[10:43] <TiNePaS> wait a moment and I make it
[10:45] <TiNePaS> jshadow:
[10:45] <Generic> I'm curious, Is there a shell program that can boot Kubuntu off my external while I'm inside windows?
[10:46] <TiNePaS> i make the symbolic link
[10:46] <TiNePaS> ok?
[10:46] <TiNePaS> And now?
[10:46] <jshadow> ok, did that help?
[10:46] <TiNePaS> no
[10:46] <jshadow> try make again
[10:46] <TiNePaS> ok
[10:46] <Ashex> !enter
[10:46] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:47] <jshadow> also, ./configure again first
[10:48] <TiNePaS> sed: can't read /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h: No such file or directory
[10:48] <TiNePaS> make: *** No rule to make target `binary-modules'.  Stop.
[10:48] <TiNePaS> this is the error
[10:49] <jshadow> yeah that would be a problem with the link then, you ran configure first before the make?
[10:49] <hatake_kakashi> Is it possible to make ubuntu use nls_utf8 as default charset rather than nls_iso8859_1 and/or nls_cp437?
[10:50] <TiNePaS> hey jshadow
[10:50] <TiNePaS> this run
[10:50] <TiNePaS> but I have a new error :(
[10:50] <jshadow> TiNePas: Ok, what is it saying now?
[10:50] <TiNePaS> is : make: *** No rule to make target `binary-modules'.  Stop.
[10:51] <TiNePaS> I had a bad link
[10:51] <TiNePaS> but, now?
[10:51] <jshadow> hrm.. sounds like there's something wrong with the make file then, no other errors?
[10:51] <TiNePaS> no, only one
[10:52] <jshadow> afraid I don't know then, sorry
[10:52] <TiNePaS> ok,thank
[10:53] <TiNePaS> I have only one error now
[10:53] <TiNePaS> :)
[10:55] <Ashex> How would I use VMware to load kubuntu off my external?
[10:58] <poningru> Ashex: you would have to make a vmware image of that external hd
[10:59] <Ashex> I'd have to make an image of the entire hard drive? O.o
[11:02] <bodhi-baum> gibt es baghira eigentlich auch fr kubuntu?
[11:03] <inf3rno> I'm about to embark on setting up World of Warcraft under WINE in Kubuntu. Has anyone done this? I'm curious as to if I need to apply the custom patches to WINE and recompile as mentioned at various HowTo's, or to just install WINE stock as the Ubuntu Wiki says?
[11:03] <inf3rno> Hi folks
[11:03] <inf3rno> I'm about to embark on setting up World of Warcraft under WINE in Kubuntu. Has anyone done this? I'm curious as to if I need to apply the custom patches to WINE and recompile as mentioned at various HowTo's, or to just install WINE stock as the Ubuntu Wiki says?
[11:04] <inf3rno> mst
[11:05] <Ashex> So VMware allows you to running operating systems. But I need to have one thing clarified
[11:05] <Ashex> The operating system it runs, is the file it loads THE os? or is that file just an address for where the operating system is located?
[11:06] <mac__> how can I get a dvorak *layout* (not variant) in kubuntu? In Debian there's a seperate Dvorak layout, with its own flag and all...
[11:06] <mac__> instead in kubuntu I have to fudge stuff, having one US(basic varaint) layout, and another Canadian(dvorak variant), just to be able to switch between QWERTY and Dvorak...
[11:07] <mac__> (this is all within the KDE Keyboard Tool)
[11:16] <ice> does anyone have eclipse installed
[11:18] <ice> !eclipse
[11:18] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[11:26] <ricky_ds> Hi folks. Just converted from mandriva to kubuntu. Oh this feels sooo good.
[11:26] <cinder> which is the exec file for the kmenu?
[11:30] <SuperNova> doesnt anyone know how you can se what licens a progr is released under in synaptic?
[11:32] <angasule> hmm, I want libcurl.so.2 , but the default version is libcurl.so.3, how do I install an older version (I don't want to remove the current one, it's probably there for a reason)
[11:33] <MarcC> is there a way to run a split-view in Konqueror?
[11:33] <Ashex> How would I get VMware to detect my other hard drives?
[11:34] <angasule> MarcC: yes, hmm
[11:35] <angasule> MarcC: I don't remember the key combination
[11:35] <MarcC> angasule, if there is one, maybe I can find it
[11:36] <angasule> MarcC: there is, I'm sure, since I used it a couple of days ago, you could google, too
[11:36] <MarcC> ok, thanks
[11:36] <angasule> MarcC: I think it was ctrl+something, but not sure
[11:37] <tilo> :'( i cant get compiz to start
[11:38] <ricky_ds> MarcC: Ctrl-Shift-T for horizontal and Ctrl-Shift-L for vertical split
[11:41] <cinder> which is the exec file for the kmenu?
[11:41] <ricky_ds> cinder: you mean for editing the menu? or what do you want to do?
[11:41] <cinder> to run it
[11:41] <cinder> from kxdocker bar
[11:42] <noteventime> Is there any reason ro not use metacity for kde, apart from kwin being better?
[11:42] <ricky_ds> cinder: ah I see... no idea, sorry. I'm not even sure it is an executable per se...
[11:43] <cinder> :(
[11:43] <angasule> I want libcurl.so.2 , but the default version is libcurl.so.3, how do I install an older version (I don't want to remove the current one, it's probably there for a reason)
[11:43] <MarcC> ricky_ds, thank you
[11:44] <ricky_ds> MarcC: no prob. though now I don't remember how to remove a split view... :(
[11:44] <MarcC> doh :D
[11:45] <MarcC> oops, now I have like 5 split views!
[11:46] <MarcC> ricky_ds, Ctrl+Shift+R removes active view :)
[11:47] <ricky_ds> MarcC: thanks :)
[11:47] <MarcC> np
[11:48] <SuperNova> doent anyone know
[11:59] <cinder> does anyone knows how to change the icons for the iconbar?
[12:01] <angasule> I want libcurl.so.2 , but the default version is libcurl.so.3, how do I install an older version (I don't want to remove the current one, it's probably there for a reason)


[00:39] <Joe_knock> Maaz coffee
[00:39] <Maaz> Joe_knock: coffee is liquid code
[00:39] <Joe_knock> Maaz make coffee
[00:39] <Maaz> Joe_knock: *blink*
[05:46] <Kilos> morning all
[07:55] <Kilos> morning gremble
[07:56] <Kilos> only us here
[08:32] <gremble> Oh good morning Kilos
[08:32] <Kilos> study lad
[08:32] <Kilos> make more fancy machines
[10:32] <Squirm> hiya
[10:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[11:54] <Kilos> wbb
[11:59] <somaunn> Hi guys
[14:07] <charl> good afternoon
[14:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:07]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[14:29] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[14:29] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[15:00] <inetpro> good afternoon
[15:20] <charl> hi inetpro
[15:30] <inetpro> hi charl
[15:37] <Kilos> hi charl inetpro
[15:37]  * Kilos watches us/wales
[15:37] <charl> hi Kilos
[15:37] <charl> how are you doing this fine afternoon
[15:43]  * inetpro trying to survive with just 20MB of data until the end of the month
[15:44] <gremble> I don't know if that is going to happen ;P
[15:44] <inetpro> amazing how data just keeps running away in the background these days
[15:44] <gremble> Unless your data gets renewed at midnight
[15:45] <gremble> Shocking how expensive data has to be
[15:46] <inetpro> started by blocking all mobile devices on the wifi network but even that is not enough
[15:49] <inetpro> probably won't make it until tomorrow but worth looking again and turning the leaking taps off for a change
[15:58] <inetpro> just wish there was a quicker way to check how much data is left on the Telkom mobile network without loosing more data
[15:59] <gremble> Can't you use the USSD codes?
[15:59] <gremble> they don't require data
[16:00] <gremble> *100# or *111#
[16:00] <inetpro> uh... while the sim is in the router?
[16:00] <gremble> Depends on your router
[16:01] <inetpro> now there's a challenge, how would I do that on the router?
[16:02] <gremble> Using windows, the router we had allowed us to send those codes, but it was also a telephone
[16:02] <inetpro> ah
[16:03] <inetpro> won't work with the B960 then
[16:03] <gremble> I still have to figure out how to get the hauwai modem to play along
[16:03] <inetpro> yep this one also a huawei
[16:04] <gremble> My cat wont let me type. He keeps trying to eat  my fingers
[16:04] <gremble> when I do
[16:04] <gremble> >.>
[16:05] <inetpro> if you have a USB modem you should be able to do it
[16:05] <inetpro> using gsm-ussd
[16:30] <inetpro> wish firefox could show me data utilisation details
[16:32] <charl> do any of you people have experience with docker ? i'm looking to use it now at work
[16:32] <charl> very cool
[16:32] <inetpro> charl: I still need to play with it as well
[16:33] <charl> i have been putting it off because i didn't have immediate need for it
[16:33] <charl> but i want to separate some applications from each other so that if one gets exploited then the others are safe
[16:33] <charl> without needing to create a million different virtual machines for everything
[16:35] <inetpro> good idea
[16:36] <Kilos> eish inetpro maak reg man
[16:36] <Kilos> i think they have a topup for R30
[16:36] <Kilos> 250m
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[16:40] <Kilos> inetpro: pm
[16:41] <inetpro> pm?
[16:42] <Kilos> private
[16:42] <Kilos> ai!
[16:55] <charl> this is good, vmware is now partering with docker
[16:55] <charl> docker seems to have great traction right now
[16:58] <gremble> Isn't docker similar to BSD-like jails?
[16:59] <inetpro> gremble: very similar but they made it super easy to use
[17:01] <inetpro> but it's actually quite different as well
[17:01] <gremble> Hoping to get a new laptop next year. At the moment I am considering running one of the *BSD's
[17:02] <gremble> inetpro: I haven't looked at it much and at the SFD's I've been so far, most of the talks assumed we already knew what the technologies were so the short 5min talks did not mean much
[17:04] <Kilos> charl: explain what it does for me please
[17:04] <Kilos> will it run say konversation in one dock and pidgin in another?
[17:05] <gremble> Kilos: Have you seen those baby plates with the little holes in it for the food so that they don't touch?
[17:06] <gremble> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/10934701/Stainless_Steel_Six_Part_Compartment_Food_Tray.jpg Like that
[17:06] <gremble> If I were to explain what docker is, it is just that. Inside each of those compartments you can run programs. Nothing can touch them and they can't touch anything else
[17:07] <Kilos> lemme see. im not sure what baby plates are
[17:07] <gremble> It is like having many little computers inside your computer
[17:07] <Kilos> oh you mean a varkpan
[17:08] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:08] <Kilos> wbb
[17:08] <Kilos> but my apps dont interfere with each other i use kubuntu
[17:08] <Kilos> hehe
[17:08] <Kilos> been wanting to say that for years
[17:09] <gremble> Haha
[17:09] <gremble> It is a lot more complicated than that
[17:13] <inetpro> Linux LXC vs FreeBSD jail http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/127001/linux-lxc-vs-freebsd-jail
[17:19] <gremble> Very much the same it seems then
[17:19] <gremble> I think the technical differences are above my level of computer experise
[17:25] <Kilos> i dunno if i need something like that
[17:25] <Kilos> just more to remember
[17:25] <Kilos> would be good for windows users though
[17:27] <Kilos> what we should do is fix our wiki page so its faster before the re-evaluation
[17:27] <gremble> We can't make the page faster
[17:27] <Kilos> the wiki thing
[17:28] <gremble> The person hosting it is the one that can make it faster. Not the people that edit it
[17:29] <Kilos> i wonder who that is
[17:29] <gremble> what is the address to the wiki?
[17:30] <Kilos> i dont know, i thought i gave it to maaz to remember but forgot what to ask the bot
[17:30] <Kilos> was reapp or spmething
[17:30] <gremble> wiki.ubuntu.com?
[17:30] <Kilos> inetpro: said that was a stupid command
[17:30] <gremble> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/
[17:30] <gremble> ?
[17:31] <Kilos> maybe that
[17:32] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication?action=show&redirect=ZATeam%2FApprovalApplication
[17:32] <Kilos> its not so slow
[17:32] <Kilos> works fine here
[17:33] <Kilos> but thats wrong, maia been contact person for years
[17:34] <Kilos> oh well
[17:35] <gremble> That is a very old page
[17:35] <gremble> it is dated 2010
[17:36] <Kilos> ya i think so, i wonder where the new one is
[17:36] <Kilos> and why leave the old one there
[17:36] <Kilos> ill catch neelsie when he has a day off
[17:44] <Kilos> gremble: you shouild put a testimonial there saying how happy you are to have found our community so peeps can use your brains
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <Kilos> how did you find us btw
[17:45] <gremble> But I don't even like ubuntu :x
[17:45] <gremble> kbmonkey told me to come here because I am South African
[17:45] <gremble> So I am here
[17:45] <gremble> :P
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <Kilos> kubuntu is lekker man
[17:46] <Kilos> we cater here for many distros and flavours
[17:57] <Kilos> we actually help all linux users only i had to do tinycorelinux on my own
[17:57] <Kilos> sigh
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[18:03] <Kilos> ty inet
[18:04] <Kilos> it opens fast
[18:04] <inetpro> and it is re-reverification not re-approval
[18:05] <inetpro> oops..
[18:05] <inetpro> re-verification
[18:05] <Kilos> Maaz: re-verification is <reply>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[18:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[18:06] <Kilos> now i have to remember that word too
[18:06] <Kilos> sigh
[18:07] <inetpro> Maaz: define verification
[18:07] <Maaz> inetpro: Verification \Ver`i*fi*ca"tion\, n. [Cf. F. v['e]rification.] 1. The act of verifying, or the state of being verified; confirmation; authentication. [1913 Webster]  2. (Law) (a) Confirmation by evidence. (b) A formal phrase used in concluding a plea. [1913 Webster]  {Verification of an equation} (Math.), the operation of testing the equation of a problem,
[18:07] <Maaz> to see whether it expresses truly the conditions of the problem. --Davies & Peck. (Math. …
[18:10] <charl> Kilos: it's for servers and is quite technical to explain
[18:10] <Kilos> yay ty
[18:10] <charl> it's virtual containers, a type of virtualisation that does not involve a hypervisor
[18:10] <charl> but unless you want to do industrial-scale hosting it's probably not of much concern
[18:11] <Kilos> i think we must ask them verification peeps to accept us now as lifelong members
[18:11] <Kilos> this verification will take us past 10 years
[18:12] <charl> 10 years ago was when i tried the first version of ubuntu (warty i think)
[18:12] <gremble> Haha http://www.linux.org.za/ that is a really uninformative website
[18:12] <gremble> xD
[18:12] <charl> linux.org.za only hosts the glug mailing list afaik
[18:13] <charl> there's also http://www.jozilug.co.za/
[18:13] <charl> glug is an old and legendary thing, i don't even know if they still do meetings
[18:14] <charl> i used to be on one of their mailing lists but it was almost dead
[18:14] <charl> those were some of the earliest gnu/linux users in south africa i believe
[18:14] <Kilos> they have a channel too
[18:14] <Kilos> #glug.za
[18:14] <charl> they are the bbs type
[18:15] <charl> probably old gray neckbeards
[18:15] <Kilos> oh my they nearly dead
[18:15] <gremble> bbs?
[18:15] <charl> you don't know bbs ?!
[18:15] <Kilos> only frostbyte left there
[18:15] <gremble> Consider me one of today's lucky 10000
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <charl> nono you don't know bbs you don't know where we come from
[18:16] <charl> know the history
[18:16] <charl> there is a documentary about bbs systems i watched not too long ago
[18:16] <charl> and the start of defcon
[18:16] <gremble> https://xkcd.com/1053/
[18:17] <charl> nono, no excuses :P
[18:17] <charl> i'm not letting you off this easy :P
[18:17] <Kilos> ya the wiki site is sick, taking forever to login
[18:17] <gremble> It is not about letting me off. It is about telling me instead of attacking me simply because I do not know some obscure history
[18:17] <Kilos> i go add some commas and fullstops
[18:18] <charl> gremble: calm down, i wasn't trying to offend you... sorry if it came across wrong
[18:18] <charl> i don't "attack" anyone
[18:19] <gremble> I know. I am not offended. I just want you to either link information or go ahead and tell me
[18:19] <gremble> :P
[18:19] <Kilos> haha
[18:20] <gremble> That is why I linked the comic
[18:20] <Kilos> spinza your client is flooding irc
[18:21] <Kilos> just now they kline you
[18:21] <Kilos> go to #freenode and they will help you sort it
[18:51] <spinza_> sorry
[18:51] <spinza_> one of my routers eemed to have konked out in the last loadshed
[18:51] <Kilos> oh my
[18:52] <Kilos> its np for us i think its just freenode are quite strict with flooding
[18:54] <spinza_> tried a reboot then got a ton of reconnects to irc i think
[18:54] <Kilos> you got it fixed now?
[18:54] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:56] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:56] <spinza_> nope
[19:06] <inetpro> hi superfly
[19:07] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:08] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:08] <superfly> 1 hour of loadshedding tonight, not bad, but the longest we've had.
[19:08] <superfly> last weekend we haad 5 minutes
[19:28] <inetpro> eish!
[19:29]  * inetpro just ran out of data again... gave up and reloaded another bundle
[21:19] <spinza> poe for my 2nd router was not working on my first, so i first think it's router 2, so format it and reinstall config
[21:19] <spinza> nada
[21:20] <spinza> then realise it's the 1st router's poe
[21:20] <spinza> not sure how to fix it so format and reinstall config