[07:49] <easyOnMe> I have issues with updating my ubuntu 16.1
[07:49] <easyOnMe> whenever the auto software updater pops up and I clicked install it won't install and complains about checking internet connection which I find absurd as I am able to chat now here
[07:50] <easyOnMe> I have been having this issue since last night
[07:50] <easyOnMe> I tried what I can so I ended up here as I have no other alternatives
[07:50] <easyOnMe> here is the result of my sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade command: http://pastebin.com/HfASC7Xt


[03:55] <pc_> hi, how to solve the tearing monitor problem?
[03:56] <pc_> hi, how to solve the tearing monitor problem?
[04:37] <Watney> hello
[04:38] <Watney> is anyone active?
[08:04] <Blackisle> mark watney? are you irc'ing from mars? o.O
[08:08] <darrel_> hey
[08:12] <mate|59454> why am I right here ? Seems to be lost, lol
[13:04] <maximus> Hallo! No update for Ubuntu Mate 16.06 to Mate 1.14?
[13:06] <Guest91378> any ideas why ubuntu mate only works when plugged in?
[13:07] <Guest91378> :(
[13:14] <gordonjcp> Guest91378: because
[13:22] <maximus> somebody should think that ubuntu mare without updates for mate is not an lts system. why is so difficult to update?! are we in the 90th?
[15:08] <othniel_> hi guys would u recommend ubuntu mate for a noob?
[15:08] <othniel_> like me ?
[15:08] <OerHeks> lets say no: you will try anyway :-D
[15:09] <othniel_> imcurrently using manjaro
[15:09] <othniel_> lol u ryt OerHeks
[15:17] <Blackisle> othniel_: yes, more stable and more likely to "just work" than Manjaro
[15:18] <Blackisle> taking nothing away from manjaro though
[15:18] <Blackisle> it is a fantastic distro
[15:18] <Blackisle> but it benefits from a little experience due to it's rapid software updates
[16:05] <ubuntu-mate> hey there
[16:06] <ouroumov> hey ubuntu-mate
[16:07] <ubuntu-mate> I running ubuntu-mate off the cd, wanted to test it out before i install and replace my windows 10 but the sound does not seam to coming out from speakers, it does on the headphones.. wh is this ?
[16:08] <ouroumov> Maybe your speakers aren't detected cause they need specific drivers.
[16:08] <ouroumov> Did you go to sound settings already?
[16:08] <ubuntu-mate> yes, yes I did
[16:08] <ouroumov> In the hardware tab, how many interfaces show up?
[16:09] <ubuntu-mate> it says in the hardware, built in audio, 1 output / 1 input, analague sterio output
[16:09] <ouroumov> Okay
[16:10] <ubuntu-mate> i plug headphones it and I get sound, unplug them and no sound
[16:10] <ouroumov> Oh
[16:10] <ouroumov> Maybe the sound applet goes on mute when you unplug?
[16:11] <ouroumov> Do you have hotkeys to mute/unmute the sound on your machine?
[16:11] <ouroumov> On mine it's Fn+F3
[16:11] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[16:11] <ubuntu-mate> let me try them..
[16:12] <ubuntu-mate> thank you for your help ouroumov, its great that you here to help newbies into linux
[16:13] <ouroumov> np
[16:13] <ubuntu-mate> its unmuted, volume is on full but there is no sound
[16:13] <ouroumov> Okay
[16:13] <ouroumov> So
[16:14] <ouroumov> I can't promise you you're gonna have sound once it's installed, however there is something to do after install that'll improve your chances.
[16:14] <ouroumov> See the Welcome Splash screen? It'll still be there after you install and reboot into your system, but it will be a little different.
[16:14] <ubuntu-mate> is that where i install drivers..
[16:15] <ouroumov> There will be a "Getting Started" button that'll lead you through post-install updates and driver + firmware install
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> aaah yes i saw that in one of the videos..
[16:16] <ouroumov> Okay, so once you've installed, do that first thing and you'll know
[16:16] <ouroumov> Sorry mate but I gotta disconnect and hop on the Bus home from work
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> yeah but is it worth the risk, Ive got a full licensed windows 10\
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> okay take care
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> nice one
[16:16] <ubuntu-mate> wish you all the best
[16:17] <ouroumov> If you have more questions, feel free to ask them, but you might have to be patient. ^^
[16:17] <ubuntu-mate> thanks
[16:17] <ouroumov> Cheers
[16:17] <Blackisle> ubuntu-mate: are your speakers built in to your monitor?
[16:17] <Blackisle> and the monitor connected by HDMI?
[16:18] <ubuntu-mate> its a laptop... toshiba satellite
[16:19] <ubuntu-mate> man i really wanted to make this migration to mate, or even unity as the sound is playing up on windows too, it works, but keeps turning off, but it does not seem to be working at all on this 16.04 trail off cd
[16:19] <Blackisle> ah ok
[16:19] <ubuntu-mate> maybe i should try the linux mint and see if that works
[16:19] <toshuu> hello! I've been bouncing between google searches and forum posts, but i figured i'd ask here as well :) are there any guides/readily-available software for 3d printing available for ubuntu? i can explain what i'm hoping to use it for if necessary/interested :)
[16:20] <toshuu> ubuntu-mate, any errors showing up in dmesg in the console related to the sound? i had a problem with a bad hdmi cable, it was showing a "bad ELD data byte" error now and again
[16:21] <Blackisle> think it depends on your 3D printer toshuu
[16:22] <toshuu> Blackisle: that's something i'm looking into as well, what i can actually get here locally that will be inside the budget i've gotten...which is not a lot :( but the whole idea is to try and develop something useful at the lowest cost, so it's a challenge at least! :)
[16:23] <toshuu> (i have to learn how to 3d model better than i do now before i'm going to make much progress anyway, so no big rush :P)
[16:23] <ubuntu-mate> toshuu, im on a toshiba satellite laptop, 8gb ram, its got internal sound and speakers
[16:25] <toshuu> ubuntu-mate: if it happens to have a model number anywhere that would help too, might make it easier to look up the specifics :) but if you can run commands like dmesg in a mate terminal, you might be able to spot a kernel/console error that might hint as to the sound issue...i've had a couple as well that i haven't with other distros, but it's working alright now :)
[16:26] <toshuu> ubuntu-mate, oh, although you've probably seen this already, there's a tag for toshiba satellite issues that could be helpful :) https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/toshiba-satellite
[16:28] <ubuntu-mate> its a toshiba satellite L750
[16:29] <Blackisle> https://www.blackisle.org.uk/owncloud/index.php/s/YRQZMaLmwZJpeUX
[16:29] <Blackisle> ^^ ubuntu-mate
[16:29] <Blackisle> is it as simple as selecting heaphone or speaker output from the sound options drop down?
[16:30] <Blackisle> I've not had them autoswitch when plugging in headphones on my Dell
[16:31] <ubuntu-mate> i wish it was that simple, just not happening
[16:33] <Blackisle> :/
[16:33] <toshuu> hmm...i wish i knew more personally about debugging sound issues, sorry! i never did get hdmi output working with mate 16.04, though i think that's due to either the cable or the card...it uses a "mini-HDMI" port (half way between both the standard connectors :P), either that or the cable are wonky
[16:34] <toshuu> it works in some distributions but not others alas :)
[16:34] <ubuntu-mate> aaah man
[16:37] <toshuu> ubuntu-mate, oh, i'd say someone here probably knows more things to try...i've only been running ubuntu mate for a week and i just got here, so i'm totally unreliable anyway :P
[16:37] <ubuntu-mate> where you from toshuu
[16:37] <ubuntu-mate> im from near London, UK
[16:38] <ubuntu-mate> i was really looking forward to ditching windows 10
[16:41] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, did you install the OS to drive since earlier?
[16:41] <nomic> http://i.imgur.com/JmUBa1B.png
[16:42] <nomic> joke
[16:42] <toshuu> ubuntu-mate, i was hoping to use it on my hp laptop, unfortunately i ran into a lot of problems...so that's still windows 10 for now, but that piece of...stuff won't boot anything other than windows properly :) on my desktop it works nicely
[16:42] <ouroumov> toshuu, did you disable secure boot in the BIOS?
[16:45] <toshuu> ouroumov, oh yes...well as best hp will allow, either selecting a uefi or "legacy" boot source with either secure boot enabled or disabled...with a pin code...it's a particularly terrible laptop :P i did eventually get it to boot, now that i think about it, but the wireless wouldn't work properly...essential for the laptop unfortunately :/
[16:46] <ouroumov> toshuu, no Ethernet Port?
[16:46] <ouroumov> I mean, no cable connection?
[16:47] <toshuu> ouroumov, oh yes, it does have a working ethernet port that appears to be supported :) it worked for the installation at least, it was just the wireless (particularly the -firmware- for the wireless) that was...intermittently working at best
[16:48] <toshuu> the laptop itself (hp pavilion x360, 11-n040ca :P) was never the best anyway, it only really worked -properly- in windows 8.1...in windows 10 the touch screen driver is broken so using it as a tablet is out...it works in linux, but linux seems to have other problems with it :(
[16:48] <ouroumov> toshuu, Wifi issues are the most current. Did you try and google "ubuntu <wifi card model> <driver name>" ?
[16:50] <toshuu> ouroumov, well that's certainly true...and when you're dealing with closed firmware you're dealing with a black box to a certain extent :) thanks i have done some searching around, i'm intending to do more since i would prefer to be running some version of linux over windows 10...honestly it's proven to be so buggy that it's hard to believe at times
[16:50] <ubuntu-mate> ive just checked my other kids two laptops with ubuntu running, sounds working fine on them, its just this damn piece of lame laptop
[16:51] <ouroumov> I've no experience with W10. Only heard about it from a few people, almost nobody around me uses it ~
[16:51] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, is it installed to disk yet?
[16:52] <ubuntu-mate> naah im not installing it, until i know sound will work
[16:53] <ouroumov> But that's not something you'll be able to find out from the live usb. ^^
[16:53] <ouroumov> Tell you what though.
[16:53] <ubuntu-mate> let me run off linux mint cd, see if that works
[16:53] <ouroumov> What you can do is use a big USB stick and install the system to that USB stick if you have more than one USB port
[16:53] <ubuntu-mate> now my sound hardware in completley disabled
[16:53] <toshuu> ouroumov, i've only been using it at all due to the aforementioned laptop giving everything else trouble...it started out giving a good impression, actually :) kind of turned back from the mistakes they made with windows 8 and maintained the stability...then the updates started coming out...ugh
[16:54] <ouroumov> If you've got one of those fancy minimalistic "modern" pieces of sh*t you're boned
[16:54] <ouroumov> toshuu, how much advertising do you have built in the OS? :p
[16:57] <toshuu> ouroumov, i didn't expect it was going to work great, but when i looked at a lot of the hardware it seemed like linux could potentially work on it...i'd probably have saved up more and gotten a different one now :) actually in windows 10 i haven't seen too many ads in the -software- yet, although i'm sure they'll pull that eventually...outlook.com now has full-screen ads if you don't block their
[16:57] <toshuu> javascript though :(
[16:58] <ouroumov> ^^
[17:14] <mac__> anyone here???
[17:15] <TheMarius> yes
[17:15] <mac__> im in east coast america
[17:15] <TheMarius> k
[17:15] <TheMarius> im in norway
[17:16] <mac__> stinky wet americunt
[17:16] <TheMarius> what
[17:16] <mac__> isnt that what people call americans
[17:16] <TheMarius> no .. but maybe where you live?
[17:17] <TheMarius> was thinking you had tourettes syndrome a few seconds
[17:17] <mac__> I think the british say it cuz its an insult and is a genital
[17:17] <TheMarius> you know what that is right?
[17:17] <TheMarius> well ive never heard any british say it
[17:18] <mac__> what do you talk about here
[17:18] <TheMarius> in this channel we usually talk about linux
[17:18] <OerHeks> Time to read the topic
[17:18] <TheMarius> i assumed thats why you joined aswell
[17:18] <TheMarius> this isnt #gynocology
[17:19] <mac__> i heard ubuntu sell your search info
[17:19] <TheMarius> feel smug in mac?
[17:20] <wizd3m> time appropriate greetings all
[17:20] <TheMarius> not mate that i know.. unity sent searches to amazon
[17:20] <TheMarius> whats the point, mac
[17:20] <mac__> I left microsoft because windows rapes your privacy
[17:20] <TheMarius> why come in here with this negative attitude and yell slurs about female genitalia and americans, and assume thing thats obiously not correct.. what are you trying to prove
[17:21] <mac__> Microsoft secretly uploads your encryption keys to a cloud
[17:21] <wizd3m> please keep it civilized people
[17:22] <mac__> so ubuntu is better
[17:26] <mac__> In America people mostly smoke herbal cannabis and watch cable television and drink soda in the rest of the world people mostly smoke hashish watch free to air satellite tv and drink tea
[17:27] <TheMarius> and what do you do, mac?
[17:27] <wizd3m> @mac__: Please do not post remarks like that. It is not a fact and not accaptable
[17:28] <TheMarius> i think mac is having a bad day
[17:29] <TheMarius> and then this is the wrong channel to get out your frustations in
[17:29] <TheMarius> we can have general debates here sometimes but try to keep it computer oriented
[17:29] <wizd3m> Hey I am Dutch... if there is a nation known for smoking that stuff it's us... :)
[17:31] <wizd3m> But to the point: Does anyone here have issues with the Broadcom wireless drivers?
[17:31] <wizd3m> I keep losing connection
[17:31] <TheMarius> i read its an issue in linux
[17:31] <TheMarius> i dont have it though
[17:32] <TheMarius> broadcom is the wifi-answer to AMD
[17:32] <TheMarius> i mean, ATI
[17:32] <wizd3m> ATI or AMD, it's the same company, isn't it?
[17:33] <TheMarius> if you insist running it you get wifi usb plugs from china for $1 or so... i bought one and run it on this computer.. works perfect
[17:33] <TheMarius> free shipping.. ebay
[17:33] <TheMarius> yeah but gpu's are generally called ATI
[17:34] <wizd3m> I could do that... but hey... something to complain about :)
[17:35] <wizd3m> Just waiting for the bug to be fixed. Until then just to a scan on wifi and it works again.
[17:35] <TheMarius> nice to have either way.. you could allways end up with a microcomputer at some point in your life that lacks wifi
[17:35] <wizd3m> I will check it out.
[17:36] <TheMarius> i have a huge assortment of old and cheap parts, and its proven to be smart to have around
[17:36] <TheMarius> wires etc
[17:36] <wizd3m> yeah, me too. But a wireless usb that isn't broadcom... no
[17:37] <TheMarius> think its ralink
[17:38] <TheMarius> ralink or realtek
[17:38] <TheMarius> thats what ive got from china
[17:39] <TheMarius> they work fine
[17:40] <TheMarius> ordered a big usb antenna too... im in the middle of nowhere and i get in all sorts of wifi's on it
[17:40] <TheMarius> same for that one.. chinese, works fine
[17:41] <wizd3m> Not a problem for me, here in Amsterdam i've got thousands :)
[17:42] <TheMarius> theres more moose than wifis around here
[17:42] <wizd3m> +1 TheMarius
[17:42] <TheMarius> 3 mbit is the best i get
[17:44] <wizd3m> well, gotta go. Break is over. Gotta work again.
[17:49] <basar> does ubuntu mate support csgo?
[17:50] <basar> i mean can i play cs go on my raspberry pi 3
[17:52] <randall> really doubt it basar
[17:59] <TheMarius> basar: think its a while to we're there
[17:59] <TheMarius> maybe in 2 years though
[17:59] <TheMarius> not raspberry 4 but maybe raspbery 5
[19:24] <ouroumov__> What would be the point of running CS on a rpi anyway?
[19:29] <OerHeks> why not, on a 3 inch HD screen ?
[19:48] <gordonjcp> you could play original CS on a raspberry pi, no problem
[19:48] <gordonjcp> if you could build it from source
[19:49] <gordonjcp> 900MHz and half a gig of RAM was shitloads when CS came out
[19:53] <lostson> very true
[20:34] <kent__> Im running 16.04 marco(compton) but cant find any configuration file.I need to add something under shadow-exclude
[20:52] <kent__> Anyone with an idea
[20:54] <fifty-sevenC> Heyyo
[20:54] <kent__> Hello
[21:18] <danang_> ubuntu mate should disable pm-utils dan use systemd suspend as default suspend
[21:19] <danang_> my thinkpad unable to wakeup with pm-suspend, but work fine with systemctl suspend


[01:33] <mxpxpod> mjg59: any word on when 18.25 is going out?
[01:33] <mjg59> mxpxpod: Nope
[01:33] <mjg59> Up to BenC. The fix for bcm43xx is in git, though
[01:33] <mxpxpod> hrmm
[01:34] <mxpxpod> it would suck to have had bcm43xx up until now and then not have it for release
[01:36] <mjg59> It'll be there for release
[01:36] <mxpxpod> ah, cool
[01:36] <mxpxpod> maybe I'll just use the last kernel release until the next comes out
[01:41] <mxpxpod> thanks mjg59
[03:09] <mjg59> BenC: Just sent you another Mac patch
[03:09] <mjg59> That should be everything needed to get the installer running
[07:10] <Mithrandir> cjb: takes forever to set up, but it'd work.
[02:19] <zul> heylo
[02:34] <fs> fabbione: ping
[02:36] <fabbione> fs: pong?
[02:41] <fs> fabbione: hey =)
[02:41] <fabbione> yo
[02:41] <fs> I have a question regarding the amd64 kernel flavours
[02:41] <fabbione> -> BenC :)
[02:41] <Mithrandir> hi fs
[02:41] <fabbione> i don't maintain kernel anylonger :)
[02:41] <fabbione> fire it up tho
[02:42] <fs> I see you dropped the smp flavours, and implemented an smp-noop-locking patch?
[02:42] <fabbione> yes that is correct
[02:42] <fs> I just wanted to know what the upstream status of this is, I hear it was rejected?
[02:42] <fs> what are the future plans regarding it?
[02:42] <fabbione> afaik there were 2 patches
[02:43] <fabbione> one that was dropped
[02:43] <fs> we are thinking about dropping some flavours too
[02:43] <fabbione> and one that has been considered recently (that we include)
[02:43] <fabbione> but i have no idea what's the status
[02:43] <fs> the i386 one in -mm?
[02:43] <fabbione> you need ask Ben for details..
[02:43] <fs> hey Mithrandir :)
[02:43] <fs> btw :)
[02:43] <fabbione> that's all i know
[02:43] <fs> ok
[02:43] <fs> BenC: ping
[02:43] <fs> :)
[02:44] <fs> fabbione, you still do ocfs2 stuff?
[02:44] <fabbione> yes
[02:44] <fabbione> i still do ocfs2 and GFS
[02:44] <fs> good to know :)
[02:44] <fabbione> ocfs2 is upstream now
[02:44] <fabbione> so you get it with .16
[02:44] <fabbione> GFS it's in -mm afaik
[02:44] <fabbione> GFS2
[02:45] <fabbione> at least the DLM is in
[02:45] <fabbione> not sure about the FS
[02:45] <fabbione> but there is a git tree on kernel.org
[02:46] <fs> yeah
[02:47] <fs> talking of git, what happend to the ubuntu-2.6 tree? i get errors when I try to pull lately
[02:47] <fabbione> it's there...
[02:47] <fabbione> you might need to clone it again
[02:47] <fs> lot's of unknown remote refs
[02:47] <fabbione> clone it
[02:47] <fs> ok
[02:48] <fs> well that will take a while
[02:49] <fs> ok thanks for the info so far, I'll wait for BenC to show up :)
[02:49] <fabbione> ok
[02:49] <fabbione> no problem
[03:07] <zul> yay! :)
[03:08] <mjg59> BenC: I may have a new ACPI IDE patch for you, after I've tested it
[03:08] <BenC> mjg59: ok, got all your other patches too
[03:08] <BenC> trying to get them in before today's upload
[03:13] <mjg59> Rock, thanks
[03:13] <fabbione> BenC: please no ABI bump today
[03:23] <BenC> hopefully not
[03:23] <BenC> I have all the ABI's from 17.24 anyway, so it wouldn't hurt much :)
[03:33] <fs> BenC, what is the upstream status of the smp-alt patch for amd64? we are pondering to add it to debian kernels too
[03:38] <BenC> not upstream as far as I know
[03:38] <BenC> may be in -mm, but haven't checked
[03:38] <BenC> oh wait, amd64, is no where but here (exclusive!)
[03:39] <BenC> I've been meaning to send it back to the x86 alt-smp author
[03:40] <fs> yeah the x86 one is in mm
[03:42] <fs> BenC, so it was not submitted yet? is it a port of the x86 alt-smp patch?
[03:42] <BenC> yeah, it's almost exactly the same as the x86 one
[03:43] <BenC> just a few extra's since some of the semaphore stuff on x86_64 is code blocks instead of just single instructions
[03:52] <fs> ok thanks :)
[03:54] <koke> hi! it seems the problems with headphone detection on snd-powermac are still there. is this a know issue?
[04:25] <mjg59> BenC: We should consider disabling hwcrypto in ipw2200 by default - it's flaky
[11:36] <BenC> mjg59: mactel patches didn't make it to 17.25, since I needed to get things out quick for bcm43xx and niagara
[11:36] <BenC> but it will be in there in two days when I upload again


[06:18] <stjohnmedrano> happy easter everyone...
[07:28] <yofel_> hm, I'm just reviewing RedSingularity BC application, and was wondering about the recent changes to the importance guidelines. Would something like bug 734026 be considered Medium now?
[07:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 734026 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Confusing terminology when performing update/upgrade. (affects: 2) (heat: 107)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734026
[07:29] <yofel> Low was right back then of course
[07:32] <yofel> and do we have the definition of a "core" application documented somewhere? I didn't find anything in the wiki
[07:43] <abhinav-> hey guys I got the latest iso of natty using testdrive last night, I used startup disk creator to create a live usb. But the live disk seems to be having some issues. First of all I expected to get an option to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 (http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1104-natty.html), but it wasn't there at all
[07:44] <abhinav->  instead on clicking install now, it directly switched to the "Timezone" selection dialog box, and then keyboard layout and so on,
[07:44] <abhinav->  at the end, I at least expected it to ask me about the partitions , but instead, it started the slideshow
[07:45] <abhinav->  and that's it, the slideshow was going on, but nothing was happening
[07:45] <abhinav->  I eventually closed the slideshow window, and it displayed a messagebox that the installation is complete, and I can restart but nothing was installed
[07:47] <yofel> abhinav-: try to follow that installation process again till the end, get a wired connection, press ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a tty and file a bug against ubiquity
[07:48] <abhinav-> yofel: ok, thanks. screenshots would be helpful ?
[07:48] <yofel> maybe, but the logs are more important
[07:49] <abhinav-> ok. I am on it
[07:49] <yofel> unless you have a corrupted window leave the screenshots, as ubiquity probablly didn't look any different than usual
[08:29] <abhinav-> yofel: here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/768105
[08:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768105 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Not able to install using the latest Live CD (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[09:03] <JoshuaL> 2 weeks ago I reported a bug, but I now see its marked as private, is it safe to mark it public (bug 754912)
[09:03] <ubot4> JoshuaL: Bug 754912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/754912 is private
[09:59] <jibel> JoshuaL, is there a core dump attached to the report and do the report or backtraces or logs contains any sensitive/confidential data ?
[10:00] <jibel> JoshuaL, since it is a crash in evolution you must be careful that the trace doesn't contain email credentials for instance.
[10:11] <JoshuaL> jibel: i cant see a coredump and i checked the files for any credentials
[10:16] <jibel> JoshuaL, it can be set to public then. I also verified that it's fine.
[10:16] <JoshuaL> jibel: ok
[10:16] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> hi
[10:16] <JoshuaL> jibel: done
[10:17] <jibel> JoshuaL, thanks
[10:17] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> i have to report some bugs
[10:17] <ikonia> DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN: I've given you the process
[10:17] <ikonia> DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN: you do not report bugs here, follow the process I gave you
[10:17] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> AH OK
[10:18] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> because you said
[10:18] <DNJDSJDSADSJDSAN> [11:16] <ikonia> 3/join #ubuntu-bugs
[10:22] <JoshuaL> jibel: i have to go now, thanks for the help :)
[10:23] <jibel> JoshuaL, thanks for _your_ help in triaging :-)
[10:23] <JoshuaL> :D
[10:23] <JoshuaL> bye
[11:19] <jibel> mvo, do you know where the mirror list in software-properties-gtk comes from and how it is updated ?
[11:30] <jibel> mvo, bug 764384
[11:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 764384 in apt (Ubuntu) "kyrgizstan mirror information in maverick is outdated (breaking the upgrade to natty) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764384
[11:32] <duanedesign> jibel: according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors  kyrgizstan last update 'unknown'
[11:33] <jibel> duanedesign, agree, but why do they differ in natty and maverick ?
[11:34] <duanedesign> I am reading all the comments now :)
[11:34]  * duanedesign should of done that before commenting :D
[11:57] <mvo> thanks jibel!
[11:59] <jibel> mvo, yw :-) and to answer my question,  do you know where the mirror list in software-properties-gtk comes from and how it is updated ? afair it comes from somewhere in apt but I'm not sure.
[11:59] <mvo> jibel: its from python-apt and that in turn uses launchpad to update it
[11:59] <mvo> jibel: I look at it and probably ship one inside the upgrade to be on the safe side
[12:03] <jibel> yeah, it's in there /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.mirrors
[12:11] <mvo> jibel: the problem is that the code is not very clever when a mirror disappears (well, that is ok usually, but in this case its more complicated because the user also has archive.ubuntu.com in his/her sources.list
[12:13] <jibel> mvo, seen that, but in maverick the list of mirror in software-properties-gtk proposes the old mirror, shouldn't the list be refreshed with the mirror published on lp and use the cache only if it can retrieve this list ?
[12:13] <jibel> s/can/can not/
[12:14] <mvo> jibel: yeah, its all static currently, but I think we should do better for oneiric by using mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt
[12:15] <mvo> jibel: we did not do it in the past because the hit for LP was a unknown factor to me but mirrors.ubuntu.com is build to scale to much bigger levels of requests
[13:03] <jibel> mvo, understand, thanks for looking at it.
[15:49] <jibel> bdmurray, we are receiving many apport crashes (e.g. bug 768348) didn't you add a bugpattern yesterday or it is another bug ?
[15:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768348 in apport (Ubuntu) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768348
[15:53] <bdmurray> jibel: I added one for version ubuntu[3|4] and some of these are dist-upgrades so a match for VarLogDistupgradeTermlog needs to be written
[15:54] <bdmurray> jibel: I'm not certain why ubuntu5 is still generating this message
[15:56] <jibel> bdmurray, in this particular bug the package version in the description is 5 but term.log indicates "Setting up apport (1.20.1-0ubuntu4) "
[15:57] <jibel> that's probably a report from a crash of the previous version lying in /var/crash/
[15:58] <bdmurray> jibel, okay I'll expand the pattern
[17:17] <roadmr> hey folks, I'm seeing two problems with today's daily image:
[17:17] <roadmr> 1) on some systems it gets stuck on "getting the time from a network time server"
[17:18] <roadmr> 2) on another (just one so far) the progress report area at the bottom of the "install" window isn't visible, so unless I go console, I have no idea what it's doing - though it seems stuck like in #1
[17:18] <charlie-tca> roadmr: desktop images are broken today
[17:19] <roadmr> charlie-tca: oh and do my problems correspond with the brokenness? :)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> bug 767402
[17:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 767402 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Natty ubiquity 2.6.6 fails to ask where to install (affects: 6) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767402
[17:20] <charlie-tca> it just spins all day if you let it?
[17:21] <roadmr> I've left them for about an hour and still no change, still on "getting the time from network time server"
[17:23] <abhinav-> yes, I had images from 20th and 21st of April, both got stuck at the slideshow
[17:23] <charlie-tca> The ones I have used and run installs from with that bug will spin all day long
[17:23] <charlie-tca> they don't really do anything, either
[17:23] <charlie-tca> apparently, missing the partitioner does not allow any changes
[17:24] <roadmr> oh awesome heh
[17:25] <charlie-tca> I left one two hours, only to find nothing happened
[17:26] <roadmr> I was doing some ntp-related changes on our network, so when I saw this error I thought it was my fault, undid all my work from yesterday before I realized it might be a problem with the installer :-/
[17:31] <JanC> does anybody know what package I should assign to keyboard layout bugs?  (well, actually an Apple-tries-to-be-cheap-bug, but we'll have to work around it...)
[20:13] <rr0hit> There seems to be a bug in today's apport update. bug 768429. Please set importance to Medium.
[20:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768429 in apport (Ubuntu) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 10) (dups: 10) (heat: 86)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768429
[20:14]  * yofel looks
[20:15] <yofel> how the hell did apport dupe that without a DpkgTerminalLog ?
[20:16] <yofel> rr0hit: or did you use that as master?
[20:16] <rr0hit> yofel: I marked the duplicates of the bug.
[20:17] <yofel> because at least bug 768431 is a dup of bug 767498, and not 768429
[20:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768431 in apport (Ubuntu) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 768429)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768431
[20:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768429 in apport (Ubuntu) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 11) (dups: 10) (heat: 90)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768429
[20:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 767498 in apport (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 218) (dups: 149) (heat: 1520)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767498
[20:17] <yofel> Setting up apport (1.20.1-0ubuntu3) ...
[20:17] <yofel> start: Job failed to start
[20:17] <yofel> apport just puts ubuntu5 wrongly into the title
[20:18] <rr0hit> yofel: dint notice that !!
[20:18] <yofel> 768429 is probably a dup of 767498 too, or maybe bug 767829 which was an immediate follow up due to a wrong fix
[20:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 767829 in apport (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 152) (dups: 112) (heat: 1084)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767829
[20:19] <micahg> that was supposed to be fixed with ubuntu5, if it's broke, we need to escalate it now
[20:19] <yofel> if the DkgTerminalLog says ubuntu3 it's a dup of 767498, if the log says ubuntu4 it's a dup of 767829
[20:19] <yofel> micahg: yeah, but apport files a bug with title ubuntu5 for the ubuntu3 crash
[20:19] <yofel> see the term log in 768431
[20:20] <micahg> yofel: if it's on upgrading from ubuntu3 to ubuntu5, that's an issue that may or may not need to be fixed
[20:20] <yofel> well, the terminal log says "Setting up apport (1.20.1-0ubuntu3) ..." but apport puts ubuntu5 into the title, that's the problem
[20:20] <yofel> so what exactly is the bug about?
[20:26] <yofel> anyway, unless you see bugs with ubuntu5 failing to set up in the DpkgTerminalLog mark them as dups of those 2 bugs that were fixed
[20:27] <yofel> *sigh*, another ubuntu4 bug filed as ubuntu5...
[20:27] <jibel> yofel, that's probably because apport report the crash on restart, so the active version of apport is 5 but the crash is 3 or 4
[20:27] <yofel> could be, makes the duping confusing though as you see
[20:32] <rr0hit> yofel : all except 2 of the duplicates I marked are while "Setting up apport (1.20.1-0ubuntu3)". So should I change those and mark as dupes of 767498 ?
[20:33] <yofel> yes please
[20:33] <rr0hit> yofel: alright.
[20:33] <yofel> ping me if you have one with ubuntu5 in the log, shouldn't be the case though
[20:49] <bdmurray> hello so I've a banshee bug that I encounter semi-regularly anybody know how to debug it?
[20:50] <bdmurray> or got some really useful information?
[20:52]  * rr0hit cleaned up the mess he himself created. phew !!
[20:54] <rr0hit> yofel: Could you add a comment to bug 767498 to explain why a few bugs have the wrong package version in the title? I dont really get it. Might avoid confusion.
[20:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 767498 in apport (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "package apport 1.20.1-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 226) (dups: 158) (heat: 1590)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767498
[21:04] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: regarding debugging banshee, I think it could be useful to look at http://www.mono-project.com/Debugging
[22:19] <rr0hit> Could anyone set bug 663934 to importance low ? hopefully some one who knows the minesweeper game :)
[22:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 663934 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnomine impossible solutions (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663934
[22:23] <Ampelbein> rr0hit: done
[22:27] <rr0hit> Ampelbein: okay..Thanks :)


[05:35] <Squirm> morning
[06:52] <magespawn> good morning
[07:00] <Vince-0> haaui
[07:37] <Kilos> morning magespawn and others
[07:40] <magespawn> hey Kilos, sleeping late?
[07:41] <Kilos> sorry
[07:42] <magespawn> just asking if you were sleeping late, it is good ifbnot well
[07:43] <Kilos> ya just slept in somehow and then had to rush to get sheeps concentrates mixed
[07:43] <Kilos> so pc had to wait
[07:43] <magespawn> pc are good at that.
[07:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:45] <magespawn> they are not impatient at all, and sheep need attention
[07:45] <Kilos> yeah
[07:45] <Kilos> hyows things there magespawn ?
[07:46] <Kilos> how too
[07:46] <Kilos> ice in water here again
[07:46] <Kilos> sigh
[07:46] <magespawn> busy with a Department of Education meeting as a member of the SGB.
[07:47] <Kilos> ah well hear what they ngotta say
[07:51] <magespawn> does not bode well, was supposed to start at 09:00
[07:52] <Kilos> oh my
[08:13] <charl> good morning
[08:13] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:13]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:17] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:17] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:18] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:28] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[08:28] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[08:31] <Vince-0> haai
[08:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:37] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:37] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:38] <charl> sorry connection dropped... seems like ipv6 on the wifi here is unstable
[08:38] <charl> it's a new thing though, they're probably still working on it
[08:38] <Kilos> can only get better
[08:40] <charl> Kilos: are you over the flu??
[08:41] <Kilos> nope charl but much better
[08:41] <charl> good to hear
[08:41] <Kilos> still the runny nose and cough
[08:41] <Kilos> ty
[08:41] <charl> i have a stomach bug that has been bothering me for the last month
[08:41] <charl> it isn't serious but it just doesn't seem to want to leave
[08:42] <charl> i need to go to a meeting, bbl
[11:01] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352  superfly
[11:05] <magespawn> Hey Kilos, looks like the net is still sick.
[11:06] <Kilos> yip
[11:11] <Kilos> is it twitter thats blocked the clients from working there
[11:11] <Kilos> what would be the reason for that
[11:12] <Kilos> i wonder if that guy got the grub prob fixed
[11:12] <Kilos> shame
[11:14] <magespawn> we can only hope so
[11:14] <magespawn> yes twitter on their side stopped the version 1 access
[11:14] <Kilos> swines
[11:18] <magespawn> there could be all sorts of reasons for that
[11:20] <Kilos> i see there a new twitter app called birdie
[11:21] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/new-linux-twitter-app-birdie
[11:22] <Kilos> just havent found when they said it was new yet
[11:23] <magespawn> might be worth a try
[11:24] <Kilos> looking at it now
[11:24] <magespawn> do not usually us the pc for that sort of thing, do it all through the phone and tablet
[11:24] <magespawn> how is this for a dodgy site? http://getofficesuite.com/join.php
[11:24] <Kilos> arent there probs from them too
[11:25] <Kilos> you opening it with windows
[11:25] <Kilos> anything not ms based is dodgy to them
[11:27] <magespawn> if you see that logo in the top left, that is the open office logo
[11:34] <Kilos> but we libreoffice now
[11:34] <Kilos> openoffice is old
[11:34] <magespawn> i have clicked through to the payment area and it is actually for a product called novus office standard
[11:35] <Kilos> WAYTTD
[11:35] <Kilos> hehe
[11:35] <Kilos> first time ive used that
[11:35] <magespawn> WAYTTD
[11:35] <Kilos> what are you trying to do
[11:35] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <magespawn> lol
[11:41] <magespawn> i got an email, and thought i would check it out
[11:43] <Kilos> ah
[11:44] <Kilos> birdie connects now i gotta figure where to type
[11:47] <Kilos> yay magespawn birdie works but can only accept one account at the moment, they are still developing it
[11:49] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> aw it crashed
[11:50] <Kilos> all gone
[11:50] <Kilos> sigh
[11:54] <Kilos> restarts easy enough
[11:58] <magespawn> they are still working on it
[12:06] <Kilos> yeah
[12:06] <Kilos> at least it gets in
[12:10] <magespawn> pick up kids time bbl
[12:10] <Kilos> k
[12:12]  * Squirm looks around
[12:12]  * Squirm yawns
[12:13] <Kilos> lo there tired one
[12:57] <Squirm> meh
[12:58] <Squirm> so now I hear Google is giving websites with no mobile site a lower score :/
[12:58] <Kilos> everything is pointing mobile direction methinks
[12:58] <Kilos> more mobiles than pcs already im sure
[13:08] <magespawn> hey all
[13:22] <Kilos> hi  magespawn
[13:24] <charl> good afternoon
[13:25] <Kilos> hi charl
[13:25] <charl> hi Kilos
[13:25] <charl> hi magespawn, Squirm
[13:25] <magespawn> hi charl
[13:25] <charl> Squirm: google mobile search prioritises what it believes to be mobile websites, that's an old thing
[13:26] <charl> Squirm: as for the rest, don't believe rumors, it's these seo-douchebags that keep going with it
[13:26] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:26] <charl> i am really thirsty, been working too hard
[13:27] <charl> been doing some cool stuff with w3c dom in java and apache commons httpcomponents
[13:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[13:34] <magespawn> charl details or links
[13:47] <Kilos> magespawn, of any interest to you?
[13:47] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad-Aware
[13:48] <magespawn> will have a look
[13:48] <charl> magespawn: ???
[13:48] <charl> sorry was busy writing a mail there
[13:49] <magespawn> no worries, was just interested in what you said namely been doing some cool stuff with w3c dom in java and apache commons httpcomponents
[13:49] <charl> oh sorry, that
[13:49] <charl> 1 sec
[13:50] <charl> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/org/w3c/dom/package-summary.html
[13:50] <charl> http://hc.apache.org/
[13:50] <charl> sorry it's no longer part of apache commons, to correct myself
[13:51] <magespawn> ty charl
[13:51] <charl> it comes from apache commons httpclient
[13:51] <charl> np
[13:52] <magespawn> Kilos that is not one that that i have used before, but it uses the avira engine which i have seen before
[13:52] <Kilos> ah
[13:54] <Kilos> i liked the bit that it does malware spyware and virus
[13:54] <Kilos> if it actually does that is
[13:58] <Kilos> poor windows peeps
[13:58] <Kilos> what a life
[14:02] <charl> i run win8 inside a VM, mainly for office and one or two other applications
[14:02] <charl> i just let security essentials do its job and don't worry about it further
[14:02] <charl> but if i ever get problems with it, it would be trivial to revert to an earlier snapshot or even reinstall
[14:03] <charl> if you don't run IE as your default browser, don't install from untrusted sources, and have good server-side email filtering, there is minimal chances of getting malware on your pc
[14:04] <charl> the rest is just unnecessary worrying
[14:24] <Kilos> tell that to the peeps with crashed pcs
[14:24] <Kilos> hehe
[14:25] <Kilos> thank heavens for ubuntu
[14:26] <charl> well if you install random binaries on ubuntu you might also end up with some malware
[14:27] <charl> but the chances are minimal
[14:27] <charl> most malware authors target the most popular platforms, windows #1 and osx #2
[14:27] <charl> most popular desktop platforms, i should say
[14:27] <charl> if gnu/linux was a popular desktop operating system it would have been targeted too
[14:27] <charl> mostly only linux-based servers are targeted though
[14:28] <charl> because it's probably the world's #1 server o/s
[14:28] <charl> oh and android-based phones
[14:29] <Kilos> oh my them too
[14:31] <Kilos> i actually find IE on win7 much better than the old ones
[14:32] <Kilos> give the devil his due, they have improved some
[14:42] <charl> i still would not use IE for the life of me, but you are correct, it has improved
[14:46] <charl> it is so bad they actually made a self-ridiculing site http://www.browseryoulovedtohate.com/
[14:46] <charl> hen they replaced it with a new campaign http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/
[14:47] <charl> however their market share continues to drop http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
[14:48] <charl> chrome continues to rise and all other browsers continue to fall, google is taking over the web
[14:52] <Kilos> can someone explain this http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59975
[14:53] <Kilos> is it on cells only the free bit
[15:00] <charl> "This morning, at G-South Africa, in Cape Town, 8ta announced “Free Zone powered by Google” - a service that gives people access to mobile Web search and feature-phone-friendly versions of Gmail and Google+ with zero data charges."
[15:01] <charl> mobile web search is the mobile site
[15:01] <magespawn> i think it was anything that used an 8ta sim like a tablet or phone but not for the modem on a pc
[15:01] <charl> typically only accessible from a mobile web browser like the type you have on a mobile phone
[15:01] <charl> yup that makes sense magespawn
[15:02] <magespawn> and it was only the search and the first linked page of the search
[15:02] <charl> you could perhaps fool it by using a mobile web browser inside an android emulator (for example) on a tethered pc
[15:02] <magespawn> maybe you could past it if you could get a mobile browser on the pc
[15:02] <charl> no guarantees though
[15:02] <magespawn> lol
[15:03] <charl> they say great minds think alike magespawn :)
[15:03] <charl> not sure about dumb ones though :(
[15:03] <charl> it also seems to count for mobile apps
[15:03] <magespawn> indeed, they also say something else, that slips my mind at the moment
[15:03] <magespawn> hah
[15:04] <charl> i don't know how they calculate the billing, it's hard to know how they differentiate unless you have technical knowlege of the implementation
[15:05] <charl> have an outrageously good evening all :)
[15:05] <Kilos> ya man nokias use opera
[15:24] <Kilos> hey magespawn we min here man
[15:31] <magespawn> yup 31
[15:32] <magespawn> 30
[15:32] <magespawn> oops
[15:32] <Kilos> ai!
[15:33] <Kilos> maybe ill get G+ free if i use opera then i can go there
[15:33] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <Kilos> here be more info
[15:34] <magespawn> Kilos: not sure if that would work, i think is only google search
[15:34] <Kilos> http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2012/11/13/got-an-8ta-sim-card-you-now-get-free-web-access-with-google/
[15:34] <Kilos> they say in there the g+ is a free thing too
[15:35] <Kilos> and the internet seems to recognise opera as a mobile browser
[15:36] <Kilos> maybe you gotta join their freezone first
[15:36]  * Kilos looks
[15:37] <Kilos> Share and search on your phone with no data charges
[15:37] <magespawn> sounds like a deal
[15:37] <Kilos> but no english the apart from philipines and sri lanka
[15:37] <Kilos> grrr
[15:39] <Kilos> which of them is close to za english
[15:39] <Kilos> i also want free data and all
[15:41] <Kilos> wont work thats for location
[15:41] <Kilos> grrr
[15:52] <magespawn> not sure Kilos, experiment
[15:53] <magespawn> i am off home, later
[15:53] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[15:54] <Kilos> ended up at my broadband but dont understand their random question
[15:54] <Kilos> Please give the name and surname in the following list which are the odd ones out (sample answer like: Johan Pretorius): Akhona, Buhle, Celiwe, Diliza, Entla, Fundani, Gabhaza, Hloniphile, Isiwelwa, Jabulile, Khwezi, Louis, Mangaliso, Neziswa, Othembela, Phaphama, Qedusizi, Reneilwe, Schoeman, Thonjeni, Unathile, Veliswa, Wonga, Xabaquba, Yawilweca, Zondlile
[15:55] <Kilos> ah maybe now
[15:56] <Kilos> i dont read to well
[15:57] <Kilos> what a schlep
[17:02] <inetpro> good evening
[17:03] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:03] <Kilos> birdie works
[17:04] <inetpro> Kilos: good for you
[17:04] <Kilos> ty
[17:05] <inetpro> but it sounds like an old thing that I tried some time ago
[17:05] <Kilos> will use till you say choqok is working
[17:05] <Kilos> its still under developement so i dunno
[17:05] <Kilos> no frills they say
[17:06] <inetpro> Kilos, magespawn: that g+ 8ta freezone thing is no more
[17:06] <inetpro> look at the date
[17:07] <inetpro> then read the later date story at: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/79371-free-zone-powered-by-google-is-no-more.html
[17:07] <Kilos> ai!
[17:07] <Kilos> i got to the mybroadband thing and waiting for a confirm email
[17:07] <Kilos> grrr
[17:07] <inetpro> it was stupid to start with anyway
[17:08] <Kilos> aw its gone?
[17:08]  * inetpro wbb
[17:08] <Kilos> oh well
[17:40] <Squirm> lo
[17:41] <Kilos> hi
[17:45] <Kilos> wb Xethron
[17:58] <Kilos> whew its cold again
[18:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:17] <zeref> o0o0
[19:18] <zeref> herro ubuntu-za
[19:25] <inetpro> good evening zeref
[19:41] <superfly> ohi zeref
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: how are uou today?
[19:56] <inetpro> you as well
[20:08] <superfly> inetpro: meh.
[20:09] <inetpro> hmm... whatever that means?
[20:10] <inetpro> sounds like you have lost the interwebs
[20:21] <zeref> whaoh
[20:21] <zeref> anybody tried wicket?
[20:25] <Butch_> What's that?
[20:25] <Butch_> Apache Wicket?


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[09:02] <dholbach> hey iulian
[11:46] <sicness> Hi, guys! Pkg r8168-dkms has problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/r8168/+bug/1108068
[11:46] <sicness> I want to try to fix it. I Applied patch, change changelog and have next errors:
[11:46] <sicness> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[11:46] <sicness> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field
[11:46] <sicness> Can anybody halp me? I'm making it first time :)
[11:47] <sicness> sorry for my English  )
[11:50] <sicness> How should I help for fixing this bug?
[11:51] <mitya57> sicness: if you are building locally, you can ignore that;
[11:51] <mitya57> if you are going to upload that to ubuntu, run 'update-maintainer',
[11:51] <mitya57> but it will be better to have it submitted to Debian
[11:52] <sicness> If it will be submitted to Debian, when will it be in ubuntu repo?
[11:52] <mitya57> yes
[11:52] <mitya57> (immediately)
[11:52] <sicness> Need to do something for it?
[11:53] <mitya57> no, at this period of cycle
[11:53] <mitya57> (if it was after DebianImportFreeze, you would need to file a sync request)
[11:53] <sicness> ok. What I should to do?
[11:55] <mitya57> You can file a bug in Debian manually (see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting) or use 'submittodebian' command from ubuntu-dev-tools package
[11:56] <sicness> Thx, I'll read about submittodebian
[19:40] <LeartS> Hi All. Newbie here: I'm trying to release my first bugfix for an Ubuntu package. I downloaded the source of the package with Baazar, created a branch, fixed the bug in the branch. I then tried to build the package in order to test if the bug was fixed, but got an error:
[19:40] <LeartS> dpkg-source: info: you can integrate the local changes with dpkg-source --commit
[19:41] <LeartS> ops, the error is: dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes
[19:41] <ScottK> So run dpkg-source --commit
[19:45] <LeartS> Do I have to run it every time? Shouldn't it be automatic? The Ubuntu packaging guide didn't mention it (http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/singlehtml/index.html#document-ubuntu-packaging-guide/fixing-a-bug)
[19:46] <ScottK> Depends on the package and the packaging guide is by no means complete.
[19:47] <tumbleweed> LeartS: it is mentioned in the packaging guide - see discussion of edit-patch and patch systems, in general
[21:22] <bkerensa> why is submittodebian adding Ubuntu delta to branches I try and submit a patch to Debian with?
[21:24] <jtaylor> has a compatibility header for pyconfig.h been added?
[21:28] <jtaylor> why did we waste our time fixing the issues then ...


[00:10] <fta> kenvandine, Title: gwibber-daemon assert failure: python: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed.
[05:57] <EruditeHermit> hey
[05:57] <EruditeHermit> has anyone packaged gnash 0.8.6 for karmic?
[07:58] <eagles0513875> asac: managed to get passed them
[10:09] <eagles0513875> hey guys  i know yall are probably outa the office as its sunday but what is the bzr link to firefox 3.5 as i woudl like to test bindwood with the latest version that is in bzr as the one in the repos on my duelboot bindwood doesnt seem to work with devscripts 0.16
[10:10] <micahg> bzr link to 3.5?
[10:11] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:11] <eagles0513875> when i do sudo apt-get source it tells me this
[10:11] <micahg> isn't bindwood an extension?
[10:12] <eagles0513875> it gives me notice of where that ff 3.5 is maintained in the bzr revision control system and gives me a link and how to get it but when i use bzr get and the link it throws an error
[10:12] <eagles0513875> micahg: ya im in the process of testing it as i am helping asac and gnomefreak and andv with them
[10:12] <micahg> I still don't get why you need the source
[10:13] <eagles0513875> micahg: would like to see if there were any fixes or enhancements to it that will allow bindwood to work with devscripts version 0.16
[10:13] <eagles0513875> with 0.15 it works fine but asac wants all extensions to use 0.16 now
[10:13] <micahg> but what does that have to do with ff35 source/
[10:14] <eagles0513875> micahg: im wondering if there were any changed that have been made to 3.5 since it was added to the karmic repos
[10:14] <eagles0513875> that might allow for bindwood to work with version 0.16 of devscripts
[10:14] <micahg> hmm
[10:15] <micahg> do you just want the changelog?
[10:15] <micahg> source is lp:firefox/3.5
[10:15] <micahg> but i don't see why you would need it
[10:15] <micahg> you can either try the dailies if you want to test the extension in the latest 3.5
[10:16] <micahg> or use the karmic version which is the latest release version
[10:16] <eagles0513875> ok strange then :(
[10:16] <micahg> I thought devscripts was just for building the package
[10:16] <eagles0513875> cuz i am using latest ff version on a duel boot i have on my laptop and it doesnt work with 0.16 but with 0.15
[10:16] <eagles0513875> micahg: im new to this so i dunno
[10:17] <eagles0513875> will talk to asac tomorrow about it
[10:17] <eagles0513875> whois deathvalley
[10:17] <eagles0513875> whoops
[10:18] <micahg> yeah, I think the packaging for the extension would need to be modified to work with the later devscripts library
[10:18] <micahg> but yeah, check with asac
[10:18] <eagles0513875> will do im guessing hes outa the office since its sunday
[11:16] <asac> eagles0513875: why do you think it doesnt work with 0.16?
[11:16] <eagles0513875> on my laptop it doesnt pop up asking me for a password like 0.15 devscripts being used did
[11:17] <asac> ffox has nothing to do with it
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:17] <asac> eagles0513875: i dont understand that question.
[11:17] <asac> eagles0513875: i mozilla-devscripts doesnt ask for any password
[11:17] <eagles0513875> im saying bindwood itself
[11:17] <asac> you probably get asked when building or when pushing
[11:17] <asac> but thats not m-devscripty
[11:17] <asac> its just a) signing the package with your gpg key
[11:17] <eagles0513875> noooo
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ur not understanding me
[11:17] <asac> thats obvious
[11:18] <eagles0513875> i installed bindwood with 0.15 first time it worked when i loaded ff after installing it  bindwood with ff running asked me for a password, for which im guessing is to access the couchdb
[11:18] <eagles0513875> once i upgraded it to use 0.16 which i got from the upstream repo and installed and after packaging it and installing it it didnt seem to work
[11:19] <asac> eagles0513875: what did you do to upgrade to 0.16?
[11:19] <eagles0513875> asac: upgraded it in the control file
[11:19] <asac> what changes did you do to the packaging
[11:19] <asac> eagles0513875: ok. so do you have mozilla-devscripts 0.16 installed at all?
[11:19] <eagles0513875> yes i do
[11:20] <eagles0513875> asac: nothing no changes to the packaging what was the command again to package
[11:20] <eagles0513875> bzr md or something
[11:20] <asac> eagles0513875: ok. so you have mozilla-devscipts 0.16 installed
[11:20] <asac> and how did you build?
[11:20] <eagles0513875> yes i do
[11:20] <eagles0513875> i am drawing a blank on the command at the moment
[11:20] <asac> eagles0513875: have you pushed you bindwood branch somewhere?
[11:20] <asac> so i can take a look?
[11:21] <eagles0513875> ya i have its to bzr to eagles051387
[11:21] <eagles0513875> asac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eagles051387/firefox-extensions/bindwood.ubuntu.lp425631
[11:22] <eagles0513875> asac: the only logical thing i can think of is something has changed in the devscripts from 0.15 to 0.16
[11:22] <asac> eagles0513875: please run bzr bd --dont-purge
[11:22] <asac> that builds your extension
[11:22] <asac> then go to the ../build-area/bindwood*/
[11:22] <asac> directory
[11:22] <eagles0513875> when i built it i ran a simple bzr bd
[11:23] <asac> yes. use --dont-purge
[11:23] <asac> so the build tree is not removed
[11:23] <asac> after building and we can check whats going on there
[11:23] <eagles0513875> ok let me grab me laptop
[11:26] <eagles0513875> thought u were outa the office today asac
[11:26] <asac> i am out
[11:26] <asac> just checking
[11:26] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[11:26] <asac> eagles0513875: mozilla-devscripts is not in ubuntu yet. so please double check with dpkg -l mozilla-devscripts
[11:26] <asac> that you have that version installed
[11:26] <asac> 0.16 that is
[11:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:26] <eagles0513875> apt-cache policy showed i had 0.16 and the candidate was 0.16
[11:27] <asac> are you on debian?
[11:27] <eagles0513875> no
[11:27] <asac>  -> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-devscripts
[11:27] <asac> there is no 0.16 in the official repos
[11:27] <eagles0513875> was give the link ot the upstream page of 0.16 so i could download the deb from upstream
[11:27] <asac> so you must have gotten itsomewhere else
[11:27] <asac> ah
[11:27] <asac> ok
[11:28] <eagles0513875> 0.16 is installed
[11:28] <asac> k
[11:28] <asac> so do what i said above
[11:28] <asac> with --dont-purge
[11:28] <eagles0513875> running it now
[11:28] <asac> ok
[11:28] <asac> so after it finishes
[11:28] <asac> the build tree should be in ../build-area
[11:28] <asac> confirm that you have that dir
[11:28] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:29] <eagles0513875> in the bindwood-0.2..... folder
[11:29] <asac> ok
[11:29] <asac> is there a .build file next to that bindwood-0.2 folder?
[11:29] <asac> and a .deb?
[11:30] <eagles0513875> ya a deb is in my home folder
[11:30] <asac> no
[11:30] <asac> please go to the build-area
[11:30] <asac> and run ls
[11:30] <asac> what do you have there?
[11:30] <eagles0513875> ahhh ya i do have a deb in there sry
[11:31] <asac> ls
[11:31] <asac> anything else?
[11:31] <asac> a .build file?
[11:31] <eagles0513875> a ya there is a build file
[11:32] <asac> so install the .deb that is there
[11:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:32] <asac> sudo dpkg -i bindwood*.deb
[11:33] <eagles0513875> reinstalling
[11:33] <asac> eagles0513875: ok
[11:33] <eagles0513875> installed
[11:33] <asac> eagles0513875: so after that also install the pastebinit package through apt-get
[11:33] <eagles0513875> will give it another try
[11:33] <asac> that helps
[11:33] <asac> ok
[11:33] <asac> but install pastebinit
[11:33] <asac> we will need it often if we want to check things out
[11:34] <eagles0513875> got it already
[11:34] <asac> if you have it installed
[11:34] <asac> run
[11:34] <asac> dpkg -L bindwood | pastebinit
[11:34] <asac> and give me the past
[11:35] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/f537e091c
[11:35] <asac> looks good
[11:36] <asac> so should work imo
[11:36] <asac> i assume you didnt figure that the .deb is in build-area ;)
[11:36] <eagles0513875> still didnt ask me for a password to access the couchdb
[11:36] <asac> eagles0513875: why would it?
[11:36] <asac> eagles0513875: you can easily test ...
[11:36] <asac> eagles0513875: start firefox with a fresh profile
[11:36] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[11:36] <asac> if you have your old bookmarks
[11:36] <asac> then all is ok
[11:36] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:37] <eagles0513875> which folder do i remove .mozilla
[11:37] <asac> eagles0513875: do you have anything important? like bookmarks/cookies/passwords you dont want to loose?
[11:37] <eagles0513875> no
[11:37] <asac> if you dont then just remove it
[11:37] <eagles0513875> nothing important
[11:37] <asac> yes
[11:37] <asac> eagles0513875: did you have chnaged the bookmarks at all?
[11:37] <eagles0513875> bookmarks aare gone which were of launchpad and the edge
[11:38] <asac> eagles0513875: do you see bindwood in tools -> addons -> extensions?
[11:38] <eagles0513875> yes and its enabled
[11:38] <asac> eagles0513875: is "unisntall" available?
[11:38] <asac> or just greyed out=
[11:38] <asac> ?
[11:38] <eagles0513875> greyed out atm
[11:38] <asac> ok
[11:38] <asac> yes. all if fine then
[11:39] <asac> eagles0513875: a few comments what is missing in your 0.16 transition
[11:39] <asac> add "Provides: ${xpi:Provides}" and "Enhances: ${xpi:Enhances}"
[11:39] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview
[11:39] <asac> check that
[11:39] <asac> bdrung_ updated the checklist
[11:39] <eagles0513875> i know i havent gotten to that part of the check list
[11:39] <eagles0513875> yet
[11:39] <asac> ah ok
[11:39] <asac> so far all looks fine imo
[11:40] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[11:40] <eagles0513875> thought it was related to something else
[11:40] <eagles0513875> do provides and enhances go after recommends
[11:40] <asac> there is no rule, but in general they are after recommends/suggests
[11:40] <asac> but you can put them anywhere (except the first line needs to be Package: ...)
[11:41] <asac> besides that the order doesnt really matter ... besides from best practices.
[11:41] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok asac also do i need a new change log
[11:41] <eagles0513875> or just add to the one i have
[11:42] <asac> eagles0513875: i hope you are still at UNRELEASED
[11:42] <asac> that means just add to the current topmost
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ya i am
[11:42] <bdrung_> asac: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=unstable&package=mozilla-devscripts
[11:42] <eagles0513875> so just add to that part of the changelog
[11:42] <bdrung_> asac: Package is optional and has a Depends on lsb-release which is extra
[11:42] <eagles0513875> asac: thats the link i was give for the 0.16 of devscripts
[11:43] <asac> bdrung_: yeah. is that RC?
[11:43] <eagles0513875> bdrung_: are you here if i have any questions or u outa the office today
[11:43] <asac> eagles0513875: thx. i know
[11:43] <bdrung_> asac: dunno, but i want to fix it.
[11:43]  * eagles0513875 lunchtime will be back
[11:44] <asac> bdrung_: sure go ahead. but i think its enough to stage it until next regular release ;)
[11:44] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: i am here, but i have to study
[11:44] <asac> eagles0513875: the checklist on the Review page is quite detailed
[11:44] <asac> eagles0513875: just try to do it and when done we can review everything
[11:44] <asac> thats better for the learning curve and makes it easier to help you
[11:44] <asac> eagles0513875: now that you know where to find the .deb you are ready for go i think
[11:45] <bdrung_> asac: i want to put the data for XPI_RECOMMENDS/CHECK_VERSION magic (which is distro specific) into a separate package
[11:46] <bdrung_> asac: what do you think?
[11:47] <bdrung_> asac: do you have a good name for this package?
[11:47] <asac> bdrung_: i dont know. i would prefer to maintain everything in one source package and use build-time magic to figure
[11:47] <asac> is there anything that speaks against that?
[11:47] <asac> actually i had scheduled a call with mvo to talk about what we can/cannot do on the builderes
[11:47] <asac> builders
[11:47] <asac> but that got pushed back because of beta rush
[11:48] <bdrung_> yes, if you want to backport
[11:48] <asac> backport?
[11:49] <asac> ah you say that you have to backport just data parts if that changes
[11:49] <bdrung_> if the data is in a separate package we can simply backport m-d. the data package would differ for sid, karmic, and lucid
[11:49] <asac> right.
[11:49] <asac> so here is the idea:
[11:49] <asac> its basically something like what i do for extensions
[11:50] <asac> err plugins
[11:50] <asac> adding custom headers to the extension hosts
[11:50] <asac> like: Xb-Moz-AppId: ....
[11:50] <asac> Xb-Moz-...
[11:50] <asac> so for firefox
[11:50] <asac> in the firefox-3.5 package: Xb-Moz-AppId: ....
[11:51] <asac> and Xb-Moz-Version: ...
[11:51] <asac> or something
[11:51] <asac> the main question is whether we get that info while preparing the sources for -devscripts
[11:51] <bdrung_> can we access this data on building?
[11:51] <asac> _or_ do it on the fly when the package is built
[11:51] <asac> i mean the extension package
[11:51] <asac> the latter is preferably if that works on builders
[11:51] <asac> oetherwise the former is a safe bet
[11:52] <asac> and would probably match what we have with a separate data package
[11:52] <bdrung_> yes, that's the ideal solution
[11:52] <asac> just that it does not need to be maintained because the extension host apps just sign up for being listed there
[11:52] <asac> bdrung_: but during buildtime of extensions is really the best solution
[11:52] <asac> but for that i have to check whats possible on the builders with mvo ;)
[11:52] <asac> hence the call
[11:53] <asac> of course we have to agree on the headers needed ... but i thin that should more or less match what we currently maintain in the xpi.mk
[11:59] <asac> bdrung_: in ubufox there is some code in the pfs/ db directory that parses those special headers for plugins from arbitrary sources.lists
[12:00] <asac> e.g.in lp:ubufox
[12:00] <asac> its a bit different because i put stuff in a sqlite db
[12:00]  * bdrung_ clones it.
[12:00] <asac> as the plugin finder service runs as a webservice
[12:02] <asac> but it has the hacks required to run arbitrary sources.lists
[12:02] <asac> ;)
[12:06] <asac> also check this:
[12:06] <asac> flashplugin-nonfree-<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1$ grep Xb- debian/control
[12:06] <asac> Xb-Npp-Description: Adobe Flash SWF Player (http://www.adobe.com)
[12:06] <asac> Xb-Npp-File: libflashplayer.so
[12:06] <asac> Xb-Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a, aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115
[12:06] <asac> Xb-Npp-MimeType: application/x-shockwave-flash
[12:07] <asac> Xb-Npp-Name: Adobe Flash Player (installer)
[12:07] <asac> bdrung_: ^^
[12:07] <asac> thats how its done in the plugins control files
[12:07] <bdrung_> asac: should the extensions have such meta data, too?
[12:08] <asac> i dont think - so far
[12:08] <asac> but could be at some point ... especially if we want to improve ubufox
[12:08] <asac> to display packaged extensions in the "Get Extensions" ...
[12:08] <asac> but for the current stuff we seem to be able to figure everything we need during build from install.rdf etc.
[12:09] <bdrung_> asac: or we use the package name as indicator (all starting with xul-ext-)
[12:09] <asac> bdrung_: you mean to get a db of extensions?
[12:09] <bdrung_> yes
[12:09] <asac> would work.
[12:09] <asac> but we probably need more or different data
[12:10] <asac> like in the plugin finder case
[12:10] <asac> we cannot just use package description etc. because of the different UI constraints
[12:10] <bdrung_> asac: we can generate the required data with m-d
[12:10] <asac> bdrung_: if you click in the addons Get Extension dialog on the "Get Ubuntu extensions" link
[12:10] <asac> there is a special app-install dialog
[12:11] <asac> we maintain that info manually atm. could be improved like the plugin db at some point
[12:11] <asac> but we also need images etc. which makes it a bit hard
[12:12] <asac> hmmm that "Get Ubuntu Extensions" link seems to not work in karmic anymore
[12:12] <asac> maybe because of the software store thign
[12:12] <asac> have to check with mvo
[12:13] <asac> hmm. i dont even have that software store insatlled as it seems
[12:13] <asac> not in the menu anywhere
[12:14] <asac> hmm gnome-app-install --xul-extensions=firefox still works
[12:14] <asac> thats basically what i mean
[12:14] <asac> not sure why its broken in ubufox atm
[12:15] <bdrung_> asac: it is under anwendungen
[12:15] <asac> yes... but not for me ;)
[12:15] <bdrung_> asac: and it is now called software center ;)
[12:15] <asac> i have it direcetly in applications top level menu on my laptop
[12:15] <asac> but its not here ;)
[12:15] <asac> but i can run software-store
[12:15] <asac> on command line
[12:15] <asac> something fishy
[12:15] <asac> let me killall gnome-panel
[12:16] <asac> nope ... not there :/
[12:17] <asac> not even avail in edit menus
[12:19] <bdrung_> asac: is the pbuilder environment identical to the official builders
[12:19] <bdrung_> asac: it is gone im my kvm, too. some days ago it was there
[12:20] <asac> unlikely to be a reliable source for comparison
[12:20] <asac> oki so probably syntax issues in the .desktop file or something
[12:20] <bdrung_> asac: it is now under system -> systemverwaltung
[12:21] <asac> bug 435828
[12:21] <asac> yeah
[12:22] <asac> i would think nobody will find it there
[12:22] <asac> any nromal users stops reading after the first two entries i am sure
[12:27] <asac> oh i think it was added to panel too ;)
[12:27] <asac> and i removed it
[12:31] <bdrung_> asac: would this work? http://pastebin.com/f6f28a015
[12:32] <asac> no
[12:32] <asac> well.
[12:32] <asac> might work
[12:32] <asac> i think parsing the stuff using the apt api would be more flexible
[12:32] <bdrung_> in pbuilder environment it works
[12:33] <asac> ah
[12:33] <asac> problem is that you will not see stuff from universe in main packages etc.
[12:33] <asac> i would think
[12:33] <asac> i really have to talk to mvo ;)
[12:33] <asac> builders are black box for me
[12:34] <bdrung_> asac: k, let me know, if you have news
[12:34] <asac> yep
[12:34] <asac> i currently lean towards doing that on source production like in the pfs/db case
[12:34] <asac> but lets hope that we can do something during build
[12:37] <bdrung_> +1
[12:38] <av`> bdrung_, the hack didnt work for the patches
[12:38] <av`> it applied them *after* install
[12:39] <av`> we've fixed it another way
[12:39] <av`> ;)
[12:39] <bdrung_> av`: is there a difference before and after install?
[12:40] <av`> what's the point applying a patch after install?
[12:40] <av`> it gets applied then get removed automatically by the clean target
[12:41] <av`> without affecting the files effectively
[12:42] <bdrung_> av`: k, you have to go into debian/$package/usr/share/$extname/ and run patch there
[12:42] <av`> we did another way
[12:42] <av`> but it worked in the end
[12:42] <bdrung_> av`: and how?
[12:43] <av`> bdrung_, in the build rule we adapted the tree to be m-d compatible
[12:43] <av`> then in clean we repacked the orig
[12:43] <av`> to not differ from the one in the archive
[12:43] <bdrung_> wow
[12:43] <av`> so that dak wouldnt refuse it
[12:44] <av`> and it seems to work
[12:44] <av`> anyway I saw your email about mozgest
[12:44] <av`> want needs to be done?
[12:45] <bdrung_> me or you?
[12:45] <av`> both
[12:46] <bdrung_> i should study, but yes
[12:46] <av`> did you push mozgest to git already?
[12:47] <bdrung_> yes
[12:47] <av`> ok
[12:54] <av`> bdrung_, I guess removing config dialogue won't be done
[12:55] <bdrung_> then at least in ubuntu :p
[12:55] <av`> lol
[12:55] <bdrung_> av`: it will not removed, it will only not beeing pop uped.
[12:55] <av`> yeah, that's what I meant
[12:56] <bdrung_> let's see if someone complains
[12:59] <av`> any news for the uploaders thing?
[13:03] <bdrung_> not yet. asac do not like it very much (the control.in part)
[13:03] <bdrung_> av`: i have looked how the gnome-devs did it
[13:03] <bdrung_> av`: i could implement it
[13:03] <av`> why he don't like the control.in thing?
[13:04] <av`> control.in gets the control autogenerated at clean / debuild run
[13:04] <av`> so what's wrong with it
[13:04] <bdrung_> because you have two control files?
[13:04] <av`> so?
[13:04] <bdrung_> av`: ask him directly
[13:05] <bdrung_> av`: gnome-devs only add the persons who are in debian/changelog _and_ are in the list to the uploaders
[13:06] <av`> bdrung_, yes
[13:06] <av`> bdrung_, can you fix the possible-documentation-but-no-doc-base-registration thing and maybe write something more to debian.source?
[13:06] <av`> and then upload mozgest
[13:07] <bdrung_> dunno how to fix possible-documentation-but-no-doc-base-registration
[13:08] <bdrung_> what should i write to debian.source?
[13:08] <av`> we should create two scripts, one for adding other for removing
[13:09] <av`> but I don't think it's necessary
[13:09] <av`> readme.debian sorry
[13:09] <av`> you said it needs a face lifting, don't know what you meant ther
[13:09] <av`> * there
[13:11] <bdrung_> formatting
[13:11] <av`> want me to do it or ...?
[13:11] <bdrung_> yes, you
[13:12] <av`> ok
[13:12] <av`> then should be ready
[13:12] <bdrung_> av`: you should upload it (i would need a sponsor)
[13:13] <av`> ok
[13:17] <av`> bdrung_, what's wrong with readme.debian?
[13:17] <av`> looks formatted correctly
[13:30] <bdrung_> av`: the header and the sharps and max. 80 chars/line
[13:31] <av`> I don't it's a problem since you parse them using a terminal
[13:31] <av`> is ok to rename the binary to xul-ext-mozgest?
[13:32] <av`> bdrung_, ^^
[13:33] <bdrung_> av`: yes, we agreed that we use xul-ext-, didn't we?
[13:35] <bdrung_> av`: it think this looks better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/279553/
[13:37] <bdrung_> av`: or better http://paste.ubuntu.com/279556/
[13:39] <av`> bdrung_, yes
[13:39] <av`> bdrung_, gonna commit now
[17:29] <fta> kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/279755/
[19:31] <micahg> hi BUGabundo
[19:31] <BUGabundo> hey micahg
[19:31] <micahg> just switched to Firefox 3.6 and apparently, it's more stable than 3.5
[19:31] <micahg> especially with flash
[19:33] <BUGabundo> 3.7 seem betterish
[19:33] <BUGabundo> and finally I fixed my crashs
[19:33] <BUGabundo> stupid xmarks
[19:34] <micahg> well, I prefer fairly stable :)
[19:34] <micahg> 3.6 branch is only accepting tested patches :)
[19:37] <BUGabundo> I have no probs with 3.7
[19:37] <BUGabundo> right now, I can't file ANY bug on it
[19:37] <BUGabundo> that's HOW stable it looks to me
[19:38] <BUGabundo> ok, maybe one, but its addon related
[19:38] <micahg> Do you get white menus?
[19:38] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:38]  * BUGabundo tests
[19:39] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:39] <micahg> when you click on a menu, the menu title isn't white?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> they all refresh as expected
[19:39] <BUGabundo> enh???
[19:39] <micahg> enh?
[19:40] <micahg> mozilla bug 316780?
[19:43] <BUGabundo> you better isntall 3.7 and test for you self
[19:43] <BUGabundo> I don't seem to be able to reproduce it
[19:44] <micahg> I have the same issue on firefox 3.7
[19:45] <BUGabundo> maybe I have an addon too much :)
[19:45] <micahg> you're using the mozilla dailies?
[19:46] <micahg> it's in safe mode as well
[19:46] <BUGabundo> sorry
[19:46] <BUGabundo> either I'm not reading it right
[19:46] <BUGabundo> or I don't see it
[19:50] <micahg> I'm waiting for Mozilla to kick out the beta so we can get it into karmic
[19:51] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:46] <av`> fta, do you work on some ffox extensions as well?
[23:32] <bdrung_> asac: go to #debian-mozext on oftc!
[23:32] <bdrung_> av`: ^ :)
[23:32] <av`> :)
[23:32] <av`> bdrung_, when you have a minute please commit something
[23:33] <av`> wanna see if the hooks for git works
[23:33] <av`> and we get the logs
[23:33] <av`> on the channel
[23:33] <mac_v> !logs
[23:33] <av`> mac_v, ?
[23:34] <mac_v> av`: oh! you were talking about logs too...didnt notice :) i wanted the link for the log..
[23:34] <av`> :D


[15:19] <powersj> anyone know if one of the ISO mirrors has the daily server ISOs as well?
[15:55] <cyphermox> powersj: I don't know of one
[15:55] <powersj> cyphermox, ok thx. downloading the daily took ~hour, so was hoping for an alternative
[15:56] <cyphermox> zsync helps a lot
[15:56] <cyphermox> you point it to the zsync file on cdimage, and you'll only have to download the bits you don't already have
[15:56] <powersj> oh wow
[15:56] <powersj> I will use that next time! thanks
[15:57] <cyphermox> ie: zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/yakkety-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:57] <davmor2> then it just downloads the diff
[15:57] <davmor2> always run md5sum to double check it though
[16:05] <cjwatson> zsync does its own SHA-1 check; no point doing md5sum as well
[16:06] <davmor2> cjwatson: I've had them get out of sync before now so I do it as a matter of course when I need to know it is right
[19:12] <powersj> server iso ran into same issue as yesterday
[19:12] <powersj> diff of 20160921-1 and 20160922 lists: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23217146/
[19:12] <powersj> sys log https://paste.ubuntu.com/23217147/
[20:52] <cyphermox> powersj: yeah, we're still working on a kernel for a respin, I think
[20:52] <cyphermox> see the backlog in #ubuntu-release
[20:53] <cyphermox> err
[20:53] <cyphermox> I don't know. xnox was asking for a respin for -15
[21:04] <powersj> cyphermox, worth a bug?
[21:04] <cyphermox> ask on #ubuntu-release if someone has already reported it
[21:09] <powersj> actually I forgot 1626197 exists already from yesterdays
[21:10] <powersj> bah copied wrong number from my notes...  1626622


[00:01] <sbeattie> phillw: last I heard (earlier today) was that the installer wasn't ready, but that that daily iso spins would be coming soon.
[00:01] <hggdh> phillw: ah, OK. I would expect first ISOs at about one week before alpha1 or so
[00:03] <phillw> sbeattie: once the daily isos start playing, i will paly. as my kit is bog standards, i tend to do the "does the iso install' checks :-)
[00:04] <sbeattie> phillw: excellent
[00:04] <phillw> i think it was about beta1 on 10.04 when it finally could checksum the cd correctly ;-)
[00:05] <phillw> have now learned how to do the md5 via command line on a cd
[00:39] <roxy1> r
[07:16] <ara> good morning all!
[07:25] <elopio> good morning ara :)
[07:25] <ara> morning elopio :)
[08:12] <elopio> ara, are these the tests that should be automated? http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/
[08:13] <ara> elopio, yes, those are good candidates
[08:13] <ara> elopio, but you can automate what you are interested in
[08:16] <elopio> ara, I'll play around with some nautilus tests.
[08:18] <ara> elopio, OK, I think that Jeff Lane (bladernr) is also working on Nautilus tests. You may want to coordinate with him
[08:19] <elopio> ara, ok. I'll write him.
[11:46] <ara> elopio, hi
[14:32] <davmor2> morning fader_ how's life
[14:32] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude... not bad.  You?
[14:32] <davmor2> cr3: morning dude
[14:32] <cr3> davmor2: top of the morning to you
[14:32] <davmor2> fader_: not too bad