[15:22] <qwebirc46412> Hi, I am trying to setup x11vnc to start automatically before I put my backend away under the stairs. I am made the changes detailed here and although X11vnc does autostart, I cant actually connect until after I have logged in locally. I have unticked the "require password" from users and groups but I still have to press enter at the login screen. I have made the changed the lightdm.conf file with autologin-user=Simon but
[15:22] <qwebirc46412> http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=5870
[15:23] <qwebirc46412> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM


[04:06] <skreech__> JontheEchidna: ping
[07:10] <smartboyhw> Lord:( Still can't get that python working:(
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:52] <smartboyhw> Heh debian-installer has too much revisions: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+changelog gives me an timeout.
[09:56] <soee> goo dmorning
[09:57] <smartboyhw> soee, hello"_
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[17:38] <smartboyhw> Tm_T: The Lubuntu QA guys will be helping to test the Kubuntu PowerPC image:)
[17:40] <smartboyhw> Tm_T: And if you want a charger they *may* be able to send a replacement.
[17:51] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: yeah, actually checked today and it seems dealextreme has those in stock again
[17:52] <Tm_T> now I just have to fight with my wife about spending 17 € ...
[17:52] <smartboyhw> Tm_T: I think the PPC guys are willing to send one for free (dunno)
[17:55] <smartboyhw> s/guys/Lubuntu testers/
[17:55] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Tm_T: I think the PPC Lubuntu testers are willing to send one for free (dunno)"
[18:01] <sreich> Tm_T: wow, you sound whipped
[18:01] <sreich> for a measly 17 € ?
[18:02] <Tm_T> sreich: well, our budget has been on the minus side for half a year and we're trying to find a house to buy
[18:02] <sreich> ah, well that's fair then
[18:02] <Tm_T> I even have to explain such amounts of money to myself too
[18:02] <Tm_T> my work lunch is usually kept well under 3 € (:
[18:20] <yofel> ScottK: choqok 1.3a uploaded. That's the *official* 1.3 release with translations.
[18:21] <yofel> One problem is that the betternotify plugin is now missing, as upstream didn't release that together with 1.3, but debian's tarball had it so it would be a regression
[18:21] <yofel> should I patch it in from git maybe?
[20:40] <skreech__> hi BluesKaj
[20:41] <yofel> ScottK: nvm choqok for now, stgraber looked at it
[21:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1171238] plasma-desktop randomely crashes - but only on 64 bit. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1171238 (by Søren Holm)
[21:55] <Quintasan> christ
[21:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did they teach you assembly at uni too?
[23:12] <ScottK> yofel: OK.
[23:12] <ScottK> Quintasan: I think they mostly taught him avoiding work with the excuse of "I have exams".
[23:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: And here I thought everyone learns that automatically.
[23:13] <ScottK> Dunno.   It seemed to me he deployed the excuse pretty frequently.
[23:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, the first semester I didn't have any exams because the professors thought I knew the subject well enough so they could exempt me from the exam
[23:15] <Quintasan> I don't think it will go that good this semester
[23:15] <ScottK> Very nice.
[23:16] <Quintasan> I expect at least two exams
[23:16] <Quintasan> Calculus, urgh.


[01:32] <Bernmeister> Hi all...I've writting a couple of open-source java apps which I've released under Windows (using ant and then NSIS to build/package).  I've recently moved across to Ubuntu and I'm finding it difficult to find a guide on going from building a Jar to creating a Deb which I believe is the equivalent of a Windows installer.  Any ideas/suggestions/tutorials?  Ideally I'd like to build the DEB (or whatever) and make that available
[01:37] <porthose> Bernmeister: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[01:39] <Bernmeister> porthose: Thanks.  Does this also apply to Java though?  It seems to me there's a big difference between compling C and makeing a package to just "wrapping up a jar file"...
[01:42] <porthose> Bermmeister:  yes it will work for java, php, python and others
[01:45] <fta> persia, https://edge.launchpad.net/fennec
[01:47] <Bernmeister> Thanks.
[01:49] <persia> fta, Thanks.
[01:49] <persia> lool, ^^
[01:50] <persia> Anyone know BTS well?  Is there a way to specify a block when filing a bug, or do I need to wait for a reply, and then send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:51] <slangasek> block is one command that you have to wait for the bug number on
[01:51] <persia> Oh well.  Thanks.
[01:56] <fta> persia, it occurs that fennec now requires xulrunner 1.9.1, which is still not in ubuntu: see bug 274187
[01:57] <persia> fta, The discussions I saw were more about Jaunty, for which I suspect there's no real question.
[06:38] <AnAnt> Hello, is there something to add or someone to subscribe to this bug #281451  ?
[06:39] <persia> AnAnt, generally #ubuntu-bugs is a better place for that sort of question, but it looks close to right to me.
[06:40] <AnAnt> persia: oh, how are you ?
[06:41] <AnAnt> persia: I made a new sl-modem package btw
[06:41] <persia> AnAnt, Cool.  Did it get uploaded?  Does it work?
[06:42] <persia> Does it integrate with ALSA cleanly now?
[06:42] <AnAnt> persia: it works on mom's laptop, and some other guys laptop
[06:42] <AnAnt> persia: yes with ALSA
[06:42] <persia> amd64?
[06:42] <AnAnt> persia: I didn't try with slusb/slamr
[06:42] <AnAnt> persia: well, it did work in amd64 before I think
[06:42] <AnAnt> persia: I don't have an amd64 to test
[06:43] <persia> AnAnt, I can test.  Is it in the archive?
[06:43] <AnAnt> persia: anyways, I sent to all bug reports in Debian & Ubuntu to give me feedback, no one replied except one guy, but he didn't close a bug, just said that it works fine with him
[06:43] <AnAnt> persia: mentors.debian.net
[06:44] <persia> AnAnt, I'll give it a shot.  I suspect it's too late for intrepid, but I can at least test, and make sure it gets into Jaunty.
[06:44] <AnAnt> jump on the rabbit
[06:45] <AnAnt> or with it, dunno
[06:45]  * persia likes to ride on the back while holding the antlers
[06:48]  * ScottK-laptop wonders if anyone from motu-release will be at UDS.
[06:49] <persia> I hope so.  I'd like to have a session about release planning.  If not, maybe something can be scheduled for #ubuntu-meeting?
[06:50]  * ScottK-laptop isn't going.  Dunno about the others.
[06:50] <persia> Are you likely to be available via VoIP and IRC?
[06:50] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: But it's in the same country!
[06:51] <persia> StevenK, That makes the flight *less* pleasant.
[06:51] <persia> (but shorter)
[06:51] <StevenK> How so?
[06:51] <ScottK-laptop> Not really.  California is almost like a country of it's own.
[06:52] <ScottK-laptop> It's not a good time for me to take a week of vacation.
[06:52] <persia> StevenK, seat size, pay for water, no external snacks, 6 hour runway delays, etc.  The headlines for domestic air services in that country make for amusing reading.
[06:52] <StevenK> persia: Or crying, if you happen to live there
[06:53] <ScottK-laptop> persia: That's mainly a matter of picking the well run airlines (there are approximately two).
[06:53] <StevenK> persia: I always get amazed by people coming up to the counter and saying "Hi! Do you have any space for me on the flight? No, okay, thanks!"
[06:53] <persia> StevenK, That's how I prefer to fly.
[06:54] <StevenK> persia: Why?
[06:55] <ScottK-laptop> Actually the way the economy seems to be going there should be plenty of room the planes.
[06:55] <persia> StevenK, Saves thought, and costs about half as much.  I rarely spend more than about 2 hours in an airport, except when I have a reservation for some unknown reason.
[06:55] <superm1> persia, really it's half as much?
[06:57] <persia> superm1, Depends on the airline, but often, as the seats would go unpaid otherwise, so you basically get charged the lowest possible fare.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> persia: there's going to be some release-type sessions globally, i think.
[06:57] <persia> Trick is not to try to fly on busy days.  I like Tuesdays and Thursdays, personally.
[06:58] <persia> Hobbsee, Yes, but that doesn't help.  As MOTU, we need to have some plan, as this release was a mess, and everything feels like recovery, rather than trying to accomplish anything.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> persia: that's true.  Found out how to register sessions and such, yet?
[07:00] <persia> Hobbsee, No idea.
[07:00]  * persia doesn't tend to be a session driver much anyway, just loud
[07:03] <wgrant> Don't we normally find out that sessions exist about an hour before the event?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> wgrant: i'm really hoping that *doesn't* happen this time, as that's hwo i got landed in 2 sessions that i had to be in, simultaneously, last time.
[07:05] <wgrant> Hobbsee: At least with VoIP one can almost be in two places at once.
[07:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Let me know when your test is done.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> wgrant: heh
[07:06] <NCommander> ScottK, done
[07:07] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Good, bad, indifferent?
[07:07] <NCommander> builds fine on amd64
[07:07] <AnAnt> persia: do you think I should use this new dkms for sl-modem-source ?
[07:07] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I'll upload it then.  We'll see.
[07:07] <AnAnt> does dkms replace module-assistant?
[07:08] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: uploaded.  Thanks.
[07:08] <persia> AnAnt, For Ubuntu, it would make things simpler, because you wouldn't have to chase kernel ABIs.  For Debian, I don't know.
[07:08] <AnAnt> debian doesn't have dkms yet
[07:08] <persia> DKMS is similar but different than module-assistant
[07:09] <persia> Right, then you'd need a fork, or some fancy trickery in debian/rules
[07:09] <AnAnt> tseliot: Hello, I responded you on bug #267217
[07:09] <AnAnt> how do I use dkms ?
[07:10] <tseliot> AnAnt: let me have a look
[07:10] <AnAnt> tseliot: thanks
[07:11] <tseliot> AnAnt: the driver seems to work well on your computer
[07:11] <tseliot> what's the problem?
[07:53] <stefanlsd> Can someone nominate for release for me please - bug #279030
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ugh!  SRU people, please fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/shadow/+bug/238755
[07:55] <Hobbsee> that's why my cron isn't running.. gah!
[07:56] <Hobbsee> !release
[09:17] <lool> persia: thx
[10:25] <DktrKranz> doko, re bug 268260, further investigations revealed libgtkada2 and libtemplates-parser need to be adjusted together with asis to have dependant packages to be built. I'd push those three first and then, once compiled, the remaining ones (they are not linked one another), sounds reasonable for you?
[10:26] <doko> DktrKranz: sure, just make sure that you update the build dependencies so that the buildds can sort this out themself
[10:26] <DktrKranz> Yes, thanks.
[11:10] <gaspa> saivann: can i bother you just a moment? i'm guessing how works an usplash function ( draw_status() ) ...
[11:11] <gaspa> can you explain in two words how should it works?
[11:12]  * persia suspects that two words is "just works" and that more will be required :)
[11:14] <Syntux> Good day
[11:14] <gaspa> persia: :D
[11:35] <BUGabundo1> hi MOTUs
[11:36] <BUGabundo1> can some one show some love for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars/+bug/248087/ ?
[11:36] <BUGabundo1> good morning ogra
[11:37] <Laney> BUGabundo1: You should subscribe the sponsors if you want sponsorship
[11:37] <Laney> (also that will need a FFe now)
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> no
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> for jaunty
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> it may not get auto sinc
[11:38] <BUGabundo1> at least it wasn't for Intrepid
[11:38] <geser> BUGabundo1: it's a little bit early for sync requests for jaunty
[11:38] <BUGabundo1> its to late for Ibex, unless for backports
[11:38] <BUGabundo1> geser: ibex backports then?
[11:38] <BUGabundo1> debian packages run flawlessly on my system
[11:39] <geser> BUGabundo1: you need it first in jaunty for a backport
[11:39] <Laney> It was autosynced
[11:39] <BUGabundo1> bah
[11:39] <Laney> But the versions that bug talks about were after DIF
[11:39] <BUGabundo1> let me check its history
[11:39] <geser> BUGabundo1: currently the package has no Ubuntu changes so it gets auto-synced for jaunty -> no sync requst needed
[11:39] <BUGabundo1> I was told it didn't get auto sinc
[11:39] <ogra> hey BUGabundo1
[11:40] <Laney> BUGabundo1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars
[11:40]  * BUGabundo1 opening
[11:40] <Laney> Look at all the intrepid versions...
[11:40] <BUGabundo1> Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync <<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Fri,  20 Jun 2008 10:24:19 +0100
[11:40] <BUGabundo1> I guess it was auto synced
[11:41] <BUGabundo1> that's what you get when you trust ppl info, instead you check for your self
[11:41] <Laney> I guess whoever told you doesn't know about DIF
[11:42] <BUGabundo1> so now is uber late to get it into Ibex?
[11:42] <Laney> pretty much
[11:42] <BUGabundo1> no FFe so late, right?
[11:42] <BUGabundo1> even dough it has no changes ?
[11:43] <geser> you need now a very,very good reason for a FFe
[11:43] <Laney> This seems like the perfect backport candidate
[11:43] <BUGabundo1> peatty... its such a nice game, and the new version has several new weapons
[11:43] <Laney> latest crack
[11:43] <BUGabundo1> I love that crazy H'day cake weapon
[11:44] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone review the freeze exception request: #281680
[11:44] <BUGabundo1> geser: aint new weapons a very very very good reason ?
[11:44] <BUGabundo1> eheheh
[11:44] <AnAnt> bug #281680
[11:44] <geser> BUGabundo1: you need to convince the ~motu-release team not me :)
[11:44] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[11:45] <BUGabundo1> need to get 2 of them that like to play it... bah
[11:45] <BUGabundo1> now, where can I find that info on them ...
[11:45]  * BUGabundo1 ask geser for ~motu-release team direction
[11:46] <geser> BUGabundo1: https://launchpad.net/~motu-release/+members
[11:46] <slytherin> BUGabundo1: http://launchpad.net/~motu-release
[11:46] <BUGabundo1> thanks
[11:47] <AnAnt> should I add any other tags to it ?
[11:47]  * slytherin feels ubuntu should stop putting gnome-games on CD.
[11:47] <persia> slytherin, And put what?  sgt-puzzles?
[11:47] <AnAnt> or modify the status ?
[11:48] <slytherin> persia: No. put wesnoth. :-P
[11:48] <slytherin> just kidding.
[11:48] <slytherin> there have to be some better games than the ones in gnome games.
[11:48] <persia> heh
[11:48] <AnAnt> persia: did you try sl-modem ?
[11:49] <persia> AnAnt, Not yet.
[11:49] <slytherin> I mean who plays solitaire and tetris these days?
[11:49] <iulian> slytherin: Yes, but some of them are bigger than the current ones.
[11:49] <geser> AnAnt: subscribing the right sponsoring team would be good
[11:49] <AnAnt> geser: I subscribed motu-release
[11:50] <iulian> slytherin: Have a look at popcon.
[11:50] <iulian> Ah
[11:50] <slytherin> AnAnt: that is wrong team
[11:50] <slytherin> AnAnt: ubuntu-universe-sponsors is the right one.
[11:50] <AnAnt> slytherin: I read that in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[11:51] <geser> AnAnt: motu-release is only for FFe and it doesn't need on, just simple sponsoring
[11:51] <slytherin> AnAnt: is this new version then?
[11:51] <AnAnt> geser: this bug is a FFe
[11:51] <geser> it's neither a new upstream version nor a new feature but just a bug fix
[11:51] <geser> AnAnt: why it's a FFe?
[11:52] <AnAnt> slytherin: I thought bug fix should be in FFe
[11:52] <slytherin> this is a ubuntu native package right?
[11:52] <geser> you don't need a FFe for a bug fix
[11:52] <AnAnt> slytherin: yup
[11:53] <AnAnt> actualy I didn't subscribe motu-release, I assigned to motu-release
[11:53] <AnAnt> should I assign to no one ?
[11:53] <slytherin> AnAnt: was there a need to bump debhelper requirement?
[11:53] <slytherin> yes, assign to no one
[11:53] <AnAnt> slytherin: for dh_icons
[11:53] <slytherin> ahh, silly me didn't check changelog
[11:54] <BUGabundo1> geser: reason submit
[11:54] <BUGabundo1> *submited
[11:54] <BUGabundo1> lol
[11:54] <AnAnt> ok, subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors , and assigned to no one.
[11:55] <AnAnt> should the bug status be Confirmed ?
[11:55] <AnAnt> or fix commited since I put a diff ?
[11:55] <slytherin> AnAnt: instead of '* Use dh_icons. ' in changelog, put ' * debian/rules: Use dh_icons.' and also add LP: #xxxxxx somewhere in the changelog for automatic bug closing.
[11:55] <slytherin> AnAnt: confirmed
[11:56] <AnAnt> ok
[12:01] <AnAnt> done
[12:01] <AnAnt> uploaded new diff & set status to confirmed
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hmmm...more people.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> are people sure they don't want to do a SRU?
[12:10] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: I'm waiting for someone to sponsor my bug fix #281680
[12:10] <Hobbsee> bug 281680
[12:12] <Hobbsee> i think the patch for that is borked, somehow, with teh RTL formatting of yoru name.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: why hte versioned build depends?
[12:13] <AnAnt> debhelper you mean ?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> oh, dh_icons
[12:13] <AnAnt> because dh_icons does not work for debhelper < 5.0.51
[12:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:14] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: well, seeing as this is going into intrepid...
[12:14] <Hobbsee> unless you want it to complain if you backport it to feisty, it's probably not needed.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> (seeing as everything else is equal to, or greater than, that version anyway)
[12:15] <AnAnt> well, it won't hurt, does it ?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> no, afaik, it's just a useless change.
[12:17] <persia> Useless divergence from Debian should be avoided wherever possible : it makes it harder to merge the next version.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> persia: it's ubuntu-native.
[12:17] <slytherin> persia: he he, this is ubuntu native package. :-P
[12:17] <persia> Oh, then it doesn't matter at all.
[12:17] <persia> It's neither useful or useless, it's just irrelevant.
[12:17] <persia> (especially because feisty goes EOL in a week or two)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> persia: is 2.4~ a legit version anyway?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> persia: i thought it had to have a number on the end, but it may not.
[12:19] <persia> All by iteself?  That's not ideal.
[12:19] <persia> No, "iwin" is a perfectly valid version, it's just poor form.
[12:19] <persia> I'd recommend against using 2.4~
[12:19] <Hobbsee> apart from that, and my curiousity about whether a patch that includes a cuople of RTL bits will actually apply, it looks fine.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: ^
[12:20] <persia> Hobbsee, It works fine.  I've applied AnAnt's patches lots of times.
[12:20] <AnAnt> it does apply
[12:20] <Hobbsee> persia: ah, cool :)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: so, will you do the FFe if i sponsor this?  :)
[12:21] <AnAnt> what FFe ?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> sorry, SRU.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/shadow/+bug/238755
[12:21] <AnAnt> I was told that this is a bug fix not an FFe
[12:21] <Hobbsee> no, i'm getting my terminologies confused.
[12:21]  * persia blames DST
[12:23] <AnAnt> so, what should I do ?
[12:23] <AnAnt> it says Fix released
[12:25] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: it's for hardy
[12:25] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: intrepid is fixed.
[12:26] <AnAnt> I don't have hardy anymore
[12:26] <persia> AnAnt, Surely you can make a pbuilder or sbuild chroot though, right?
[12:27] <AnAnt> I think so
[12:27] <AnAnt> I can use pbuilder
[12:27] <persia> And since it's a command line tool, you can probably test with pbuilder --login
[12:28] <AnAnt> hang on
[12:28] <slytherin> persia: pm?
[12:29] <AnAnt> hmm
[12:29] <AnAnt> sudo pbuilder  --login --distribution hardy
[12:29] <AnAnt> it says extracting base tarball [/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz]
[12:29] <slytherin> AnAnt: that --distribution option is for creating chroot not for login
[12:30] <AnAnt> then what should I do ?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: uploaded, without the debhelper change (it looks messy, and is irrelevant)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> persia: indeed, you're right.
[12:30] <slytherin> AnAnt: you can have multiple pbuilderrc and then use --configfile option for referring to a particular pbuilder chroot
[12:31] <AnAnt> oh, download hardy again
[12:31] <Hobbsee> interesting.  I don't think the janitor got the name from the changelog right.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> wow, 60 uus bugs!  an improvement!
[12:33] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: it's launchpad problem
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[12:34] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: same thing in PPA
[12:34] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[12:34] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: yeah, i figured - displays fine on my system and such
[12:34] <Hobbsee> dholbach: are you going to sponsor bugs from the uus queue today?
[12:34] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: bug is reported close to a year ago
[12:34] <dholbach> Hobbsee: maybe... depends if I get my router to work again
[12:36] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: it might get fixed soon then.   maybe.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> dholbach: well, you've got to irc, which is a good strat...
[12:37] <dholbach> ...
[12:37] <dholbach> borrowed wifi from neighbour
[12:37] <slytherin> dholbach: borrowed with permission? ;-)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> slytherin: presumably jhove can be bumped to universe too now?
[12:39] <slytherin> Hobbsee: yes it can. But I am not going to file any more move to universe bugs till the ones already in archive admin queue get cleared.
[12:39] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: thanks anyways
[12:39] <Hobbsee> slytherin: heh, fair enough.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> slytherin: id' do it, but i don't have those powers.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> slytherin: howeve,r if you bribed StevenK...
[12:40] <persia> Hobbsee, I promised other members of the release team that the Java team wouldn't be pushing more stuff from multiverse to universe except to resolve cases where universe depends/recommends on multiverse for this cycle.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> persia: ahh
[12:40] <Hobbsee> persia: i hadn't seen that.
[12:40] <slytherin> yes, and that too.
[12:40] <persia> Hobbsee, We'll get right back on it for Jaunty, but wanted to reduce the noise and let the archive settle a bit for the release :)
[12:41] <persia> There's still a few cases where it violates the ogre model that need sorting, and those are important, so not having more helps make that clear to the archive admins.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey...that's not nice!
[12:42]  * Hobbsee doesn't want to install 70.5mb, just to sponsor a package...
[12:42] <StevenK> Refuse?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you've got a mirror haven't you?  I'll assign you the bug :P
[12:43] <persia> Hobbsee, Java?
[12:43] <slytherin> Hobbsee: you could try building it in ppa or you can leave it to be handled by persia or geser
[12:43] <persia> Which package is this?
[12:43] <slytherin> persia: jhove
[12:43] <Hobbsee> persia: yeah
[12:43] <Hobbsee> slytherin: nah, it's even building the source for it
[12:44] <persia> Oh, right.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> i'll find a machine with a local mirror
[12:44]  * persia still has that bug open somewhere in the stack
[12:45] <slytherin> StevenK: Hobbsee suggested that I bribe you for clearing up some move to universe bugs related to java apps/libs. So what would your prefer as bribe?
[12:46] <StevenK> Standard sysadmin bribe
[12:46] <Hobbsee> beer?
[12:46] <slytherin> how do I dispatch it? :-)
[12:47] <StevenK> Come to UDS
[12:48] <slytherin> I would rather propose UDS in India. :-D
[12:49] <Hobbsee> oh, 41.6 mb without recommends.  that's not so bad.
[12:50] <persia> UDS in India would be interesting, but I worry about bandwidth
[12:51] <slytherin> persia: badnwidth is not a bug issue, security is the biggest one.
[12:51] <jsgotangco> a UDS in Asia would be interesting
[12:51] <persia> slytherin, Isn't that just a matter of hiring some guards?
[12:51] <slytherin> persia: I haven't yet tried. :-)
[12:52] <persia> jsgotangco, Indeed.  Where do you think strikes the best balance of cost and bandwidth?
[12:52] <jsgotangco> persia: you would be surprised how good bandwidth in some countries here are
[12:53] <persia> jsgotangco, I doubt it.  I used to be responsible for network operations for Asia-Pacific for a multinational :)
[12:53] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:53] <persia> That said, it's about balancing price and bandwidth.
[12:53] <jsgotangco> true
[12:53] <jsgotangco> at least i'm better off with my bandwidth than people in AU :-)
[12:53] <persia> Somewhere like Laos is cheap, but the bandwidth is bad.  Somewhere like Korea has *great* bandwidth, but it's not so cheap.
[12:54] <jsgotangco> Vietnam is nice
[12:54] <jsgotangco> persia: dude not Laos lol, that place is quite provincial
[12:54] <persia> Like I said, the bandwidth is bad :)
[12:54] <jsgotangco> Singapore would be nice
[12:55] <elkbuntu> jsgotangco, rub it in why don't you.
[12:55] <persia> Singapore could work.  Good flight connectivity too.  Direct to Sydney, Tokyo, Newark, LA, Frankfurt.
[12:55]  * jsgotangco hubs elkbuntu
[12:55] <slytherin> persia: India is ideal place. There are various cities like Hyderabad, Bangalore, Pune, Delhi which would give you good bandwidth to price ratio.
[12:56] <jsgotangco> persia: technology wise, you can't go wrong with either India or SG
[12:56] <persia> slytherin, It's hard to fly there though, and I've never been satisfied with latency to India except with private fibre, but maybe that's just me.
[12:57] <slytherin> persia: When did you fly here last time? Things have improved in last 2-3 years.
[12:59] <persia> slytherin, At least that long ago.  Are there now direct flights to most major international hubs?
[13:00] <slytherin> yes, AFAIK.
[13:01] <persia> OK.  Works for me.
[13:04] <slytherin> Ocotber/November is the ideal time. Because March/April is too hot. So we have one whole year for planning. :-)
[13:06] <Hobbsee> persia: singapore wouldn't work.
[13:07] <persia> Hobbsee, ?
[13:07] <Hobbsee> persia: not unless you want the developers from europe to curl up and die.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> persia: they'd never cope with the humidity
[13:07] <Hobbsee> or, unless they'd never have to leave the hotel, or something
[13:07] <Hobbsee> pity, as it's quite a beautiful place
[13:07] <persia> That could work.  Focused UDS.  No city tours.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> no dinner?
[13:08] <persia> Hrm.  Right.
[13:08] <persia> Anyway, it's late here (not as late as there on your clock, but *much later on mine).
[13:09] <Hobbsee> persia: before you go - just checking i haven't gone mad here - the xine-lib transition can't be dropped, just because the transitions "done" can it?
[13:11] <Hobbsee> based on the descriptions of the packages, i can't see how that could possibly be right.
[13:27] <persia> Hobbsee, I think we have to preserve it, but check with siretart.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> persia: right.  already pushed it back
[13:27] <Hobbsee> done 4 bugs today, plus put a few on the release radar.  i'm sure that's enough :P
[13:28] <sebner> Hobbsee: ~5-a-day~
[13:28] <sebner> :P
[13:29] <Hobbsee> sebner: :P
[13:30] <Hobbsee> sebner: nah, i just marked one of the release radar bugs as one of the 5 a day :P
[13:30] <sebner> Hobbsee: fine then :P
[13:39] <lfaraone> How long after release do we wait before new packages can be submitted?
[13:40] <RainCT> lfaraone: it can take 1-2 weeks or so until the repos for jaunty are created, but reviewing of new packages can start before
[13:40] <RainCT> !revu > lfaraone
[13:40] <lfaraone> RainCT: Ok, I'm just wondering at what point can I start building. (I'm going to see if I can get gwibber in the repos,  it's waay too late now of ourse)
[13:43] <ScottK-laptop> lfaraone: That early in the cycle building on the previous release is generallly just fine.
[14:03] <slytherin> does debian have any revu style setup?
[14:03] <bddebian> mentors.debian.net
[14:04] <bddebian> But it isn't quite as well "supported" for lack of a better term.
[14:08] <slytherin> ok
[14:21] <fta> persia, lool: early previews of fennec for intrepid & hardy are in my ppa, in case you care to give it a try.
[14:24] <fta> no armel obviously
[14:54] <RainCT> Does someone here know how debian_bundle.deb822.Sources works?
[14:54] <james_w> hey RainCT
[14:55] <james_w> what are you stuck with?
[14:58] <RainCT> james_w: I want to create a Sources.bz2 file (I'm working on apt-get'able source repos for REVU) but I can't find no documentation on how to do it with python-debian. An example or something would be great, else I may just write a function for that myself (isn't that difficult after all).
[14:59] <james_w> hmm, I've only ever used it for reading them
[15:00] <james_w> they have a __str__ method defined
[15:08] <RainCT> well, seems like it's easier to just write it myself
[15:09] <james_w> yeah
[15:10] <ScottK-laptop> RainCT: Then you might send patches to Debian after ....
[15:13] <RainCT> james_w: it's useful to get the required info for the Sources.bz2, though :)
[15:14] <RainCT> ScottK-laptop: hm.. it seems rather read-only oriented, not sure where such a function would fit there
[15:15] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Just a thought.
[15:21] <RainCT> Should archived packages be apt-get'able?
[15:27]  * RainCT will take that for a no :P
[15:28] <ScottK-laptop> I'm good with no.
[15:29] <slytherin> RainCT: archives that means someone is already working on them. Don't think they should be apt-get'able.
[15:31] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: No.  Archived means it's done being worked on.  Usual reason is it's been uploaded and you should get it from the Ubuntu archive.
[15:32] <slytherin> ScottK-laptop: right, so it is ok to exclude them from the apt-get'able archives on revu, right?
[15:34] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[16:05] <RainCT> james_w: Is there something to read debian/control in debian_bundle?
[16:05] <james_w> RainCT: yeah
[16:05] <james_w> one moment please
[16:10] <james_w> RainCT: hmm, is it just a Deb822 object that should be used?
[16:11] <james_w> ah, PackageFile from debian_support can do it
[16:14] <james_w> RainCT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56323/ <- fragment of some code I wrote that might help
[16:15] <RainCT> james_w: thanks :)
[16:15] <james_w> making the BinaryPackage thing a dict might be more useful, I needed attributes
[16:15] <RainCT> it's just to get the priority and the section, anyway
[17:04] <danbh_intrepid> Hobbsee: ping
[17:05] <RainCT> siretart: I'd like to get ride of column "isarchived" from Upload. Is there some special reason why it was added?
[17:14] <ethana2> OO.o 3 final binaries are out
[17:14] <ethana2> Is intrepid main going to stick to OO.o 2.4 or will it ship with 3.0?
[17:20] <RainCT> james_w: seems like   [x for x in ...PackageFile(...)]   results in an exception if the control file has more than 2 Binary entries
[17:20] <RainCT>     raise ParseError(self.name, lineno, msg)
[17:20] <RainCT> debian_bundle.debian_support.ParseError: expected package field
[17:20] <james_w> I didn't say this code was tested :-)
[17:20] <danbh_intrepid> ethana2: I don't actually know, but I have a suspicion, that the answer is no.   Intrepid is already in a feature freeze, and openoffice 3 is only in the experimental repos of debian
[17:31] <james_w> asac: I'd appreciate your input in bug 262191
[17:39] <RainCT> james_w: OK, I've a fix. Should I send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or to some other place?
[17:39] <james_w> RainCT: what's the fix?
[17:39] <james_w> for debian_support?
[17:40] <RainCT> james_w: Yes.   if line == '\n':   should be   if line.strip(' ') == '\n':
[17:40] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: what should be for bug 238755 ?
[17:41] <james_w> RainCT: yeah, submit@ please
[18:03] <siretart> RainCT: the idea of 'isarchived' was to have these uploads not on the main page. main use case: the package has been accepted into the archive
[18:05] <RainCT> siretart: yea, but there's also SourcePackage.isinarchive which is used for the same
[18:06] <siretart> RainCT: the idea for that was something else. We had a cron job that regularily scanned for package versions in the archive. this way revu could tell if the version number indicated if that was an already accepted upload in ubuntu
[18:09] <RainCT> siretart: Ah. Well, I still think it would be better to only have it once (and in the SourcePackage table), though. Thanks for the info :).
[18:10] <siretart> RainCT: right. ideally we'd probably had a special table with source packages an versions in the archive, initally filled via a script that parses Sources.gz and regularily updated via some .procmailrc
[18:39] <RainCT> omg.. now please tell me why there are _source.changes files with wrong encoding on REVU -.-
[18:44] <henux> So ...
[18:44] <henux> I am an able Linux programmer with an interest of contributing to Ubuntu.
[18:45] <henux> I have used Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Arch. Now I am at Arch, but I'm downloading Intrepid.
[18:45] <henux> I have read some of your wiki docs and there was talk about this "MOTU program" where I can perhaps get a Mentor.
[18:46] <henux> I can do C, C++, C#, Java, Python, PHP, SQL, HTML, Bash...
[18:46] <henux> I could perhaps start with bug fixing and packaging...
[18:47] <james_w> hey henux
[18:47] <james_w> that's a good place to start
[18:47] <henux> hey james_w
[18:47] <henux> james_w: can you be my mentor?
[18:47] <james_w> there is a mentoring program if you wish to have a mentor, but it can take a little time to get a mentor, so it's good to get stuck in
[18:48] <henux> Yes I could use a Mentor
[18:48] <james_w> henux: sorry, I can't I've got as many mentees as I can take currently
[18:48] <henux> I understand
[18:48] <henux> How do I apply for a mentor then?
[18:50] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[18:50] <james_w> it's linked from there, along with loads of other information about MOTU and how to get involved
[18:50] <dholbach> henux: dive into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted - we have some pretty good docs and videos, there's a few lists of things that you get started on and you can always ask in here if you have questions
[18:51] <dholbach> henux: it's awesome you're getting involved with MOTU like that
[18:51] <dholbach> maybe you can help iron out a few small bugs before we release intrepid :)
[18:51] <henux> okay i will check those out
[18:51] <dholbach> rock and roll
[18:54] <henux> If I contribute bug fixes and code to Ubuntu, will those fixes be committed "upstream", to the original sources or will they remain in Ubuntu only?
[18:54] <henux> Such as, if I fix a bug in some program X
[18:54] <dholbach> henux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream has documentation on how to best forward fixes to Upstream
[18:54] <RainCT> henux: only in Ubuntu, but you are highly encouraged to send them upstream too
[18:54] <geser> henux: depends if you forward them (preferable) or not
[18:55] <dholbach> we're just having a discussion about it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and it seems that the concensus is that the patch author is in most cases best privileged to forward it upstream
[18:55] <henux> Okay, thanks.
[18:55] <dholbach> excellent
[18:56] <dholbach> I'm out for dinner - see you all next week!
[18:56] <henux> See you.
[18:56] <henux> I see that there is much to learn.
[18:56] <dholbach> but it's fun, you get to know a lot of people and it's very rewarding :)
[18:57] <dholbach> party on!
[18:57] <henux> Sounds good
[18:58] <henux> Oh by the way, I have developed a Supybot plugin which displays UNIX man pages from the Ubuntu Manpage Repository. We have it in use in #club-ubuntu.
[18:59] <henux> http://nor.fi/~henrih/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:ubuntuman&catid=9:other&Itemid=14
[19:00] <RainCT> henux: cool :)
[19:01]  * RainCT is going to kill himself because people can't write proper debian/control files, btw
[19:05] <RainCT> omg, the source repo is working \o/
[19:05] <henux> Do you consider anyone could be interested about that in #ubuntu-dev or somewhere?
[19:06] <henux> About my UbuntuMan plugin, I mean.
[19:06] <zul> henux: you might want to talk to kirkland he is the guy behind it
[19:06] <RainCT> and I'm going to stab the next one who uploads some package to revu with a debian/control file which is broken in some unpredictable way :P
[19:08] <iulian> Yay, you scare me.
[19:08] <DktrKranz> RainCT, it's a challenge? :)
[19:09] <henux> zul: I dropped him a PM.
[19:09] <DktrKranz> "hax0r REVU" contest
[19:09] <zul> henux: you might want to do it on the weekday though
[19:10] <henux> He will see the PM when he comes back, I hope.
[19:10]  * henux goes back to reading Ubuntu Wiki.
[19:11] <RainCT> yeha :)
[19:11] <RainCT> deb-src http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/archive intrepid revu
[19:13] <james_w> nice work RainCT
[19:15] <RainCT> james_w: thx :)
[19:23] <henux> I'm going to install Intrepid now, hope to see you again soon.
[19:24] <RainCT> DktrKranz: that depends. do you consider "being stabbed" a reward? :)
[19:26] <emgent> moin
[19:26] <emgent> s/moin/evening/
[19:26] <DktrKranz> RainCT, it depends... if I quicly replace myself with some of my several enemies.... ;)
[19:27] <emgent> hey DktrKranz
[19:27] <RainCT> hi emgent
[19:27] <DktrKranz> hoy emgent
[19:27] <emgent> hi RainCT :)
[20:18] <james_w> anyone have a powerpc development box?
[20:20] <DktrKranz> james_w, not directly, but I can ask a friend of mine
[20:20] <james_w> it's ok, it's not that important
[20:21] <james_w> thanks though
[20:23] <DktrKranz> let me know when you need it
[20:25] <henux> I just installed Intrepid, no GUI, only command line. Wifi not working `iwlist wlan0 scan` does not find my wlan. I have Broadcom BMCxxx as Ethernet controller and Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 as Network controller. Any help?
[20:31] <henux> fixed
[21:02] <henux> Do I need to install intrepid in order to contribute into Ubuntu?
[21:04] <henux> I'm having troubles running Intrepid with my laptop
[21:04] <geser> henux: not directly, but it helps having atleast a intrepid chroot at hand to test packages
[21:04] <henux> i installed command line base system only, and then installed X, slim and fluxbox. now the keyboard and touchpad do not work
[21:05] <henux> i have dell latitude d630,  can anyone help?
[21:05] <henux> also, lynx cant browse help.ubuntu.com it says its not build with ssl support
[21:06] <henux> geser: can i then contribute into ubuntu, even if running Arch or some other distro?
[21:20] <geser> henux: yes
[21:21] <henux> hmmm
[21:21] <geser> but it helps to have the development version of ubuntu around so you can test your patches
[21:22] <james_w> nellery: hey, does kbib have a freeze exception?
[21:22] <nellery> james_w, Hi, no it doesn't
[21:22] <nellery> Should it get one?
[21:22] <RainCT> henux: (w3m -installed by default- has SSL support)
[21:22] <james_w> nellery: it looks like there are new features to me, do you agree?
[21:24] <nellery> james_w, looks like it
[21:24] <nellery> though most of the updates are bug fixes
[21:24] <james_w> nellery: cool, please request one then.
[21:24] <nellery> james_w, Ok
[21:24] <james_w> nellery: I assume it's a KDE program?
[21:24] <nellery> james_w, yes
[21:25] <james_w> nellery: maybe you can get one from the KDE delegate then, that may be easier
[21:25] <nellery> james_w, okay, thanks a lot
[21:32] <henux> i need to read pop3 mailbox from console just to reset my launchpad password and report this bug. what email client i can use?
[21:33]  * james_w suspects Laney of developing on Windows
[21:34] <james_w> henux: is mutt installed?
[21:34] <henux> yes
[21:34] <henux> i dont know how to use it
[21:35] <james_w> ah, that's more tricky
[21:36] <henux> this failed intrepid experiment really didnt give me a good impression of it... :/
[21:37] <RainCT> henux: how have you updated?
[21:37] <henux> RainCT: keyboard and touchpad dont work
[21:37] <henux> im downloading hardy and installing it
[21:38] <Elbrus> henux: I think RainCT asked how you installed intrepid... I assume by LiveCD, but you didn't say
[21:38] <henux> yes
[21:39] <henux> well no
[21:39] <Elbrus> henux: in that case: which version?
[21:39] <henux> i used alternative iso
[21:39] <henux> and only the command line system
[21:39] <henux> x86
[21:40] <henux> should i perhaps install the complete desktop?
[21:40] <Elbrus> henux: I have not used the CD
[21:40] <Elbrus> s in a long time, what was an alternative iso?
[21:40] <henux> i would like to contribute into ubuntu, but this intrepid install really didnt work for me
[21:40] <Elbrus> so, I still don't know exactly how you installed it...
[21:40] <henux> Elbrus: it allows to install only the command line base system and build from there
[21:41] <henux> i like to use flubxo
[21:41] <Elbrus> so you run something like apt-get install ....?
[21:41] <henux> yes
[21:41] <henux> fluxbox*
[21:41]  * Elbrus looks up what fluxbo is
[21:41] <RainCT> henux: and what's the problem with the keyboard?
[21:41] <henux> Elbrus: i meant fluxbox
[21:42] <RainCT> Elbrus: it's a window manager
[21:42] <henux> RainCT: I installed xserver-xorg, slim and fluxbox. keyboard nor touchpad work in X, they just dont respond
[21:42] <RainCT> henux: do you have the necessary xserver-xorg-input- modules?
[21:43] <henux> perhaps i should configure the X first?
[21:43] <Elbrus> maybe try a standard window manager first... KDE4 or GNOME, where the latter might be slightly more stable at the moment.
[21:43] <henux> RainCT: i dont know, doesnt it installl them automatically?
[21:43] <Elbrus> just to get it working
[21:43] <RainCT> henux: no
[21:43] <henux> Elbrus: fluxbox is very stable
[21:43] <henux> Elbrus: havent had problems with it before
[21:43] <RainCT> or perhaps it does, not sure
[21:43] <Elbrus> also in Ubuntu??
[21:43] <henux> Elbrus: yes in hardy
[21:44] <RainCT> henux: check if you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[21:44] <henux> RainCT: `sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg` brings a lot of video-* and input-* packages
[21:44] <Elbrus> ok, I am just trying to help, but have no experience there (and didn't know).
[21:44] <henux> RainCT: its intalled
[21:44] <henux> installed*
[21:45] <henux> Elbrus: sure
[21:45] <nellery> where is the logfile kept when running --logfile with pbuilder?
[21:45] <henux> how do i start the X config tool from CLI?
[21:45] <RainCT> nellery: --logfile takes a filename as argument
[21:46] <henux> ah
[21:46] <henux> foudn it
[21:46] <RainCT> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:46] <nellery> RainCT, how should it be run?
[21:46] <RainCT> nellery: pbuilder .... --logfile file_name_you_want.log
[21:47] <nellery> RainCT, thanks a lot
[21:47] <henux> now, how do i restart X? one is already running
[21:47] <RainCT> henux: try:   sudo /etc/init.d/slim restart
[21:47] <RainCT> at least with gdm / kdm it's like that
[21:48] <henux> slim not responding to TERM signall
[21:48] <henux> i will do killall
[21:49] <henux> nothing
[21:49] <henux> now plain X is running
[21:49] <henux> not responding to touchpad
[21:50] <RainCT> henux: uhm.. sudo /etc/init.d/x11-common restart  ?
[21:50] <RainCT> (the right place for Intrepid support is #ubuntu+1, btw)
[21:50] <henux> nothing
[21:50] <henux> they did not give me any help there
[21:51] <RainCT> henux: how have you started X?
[21:51] <henux> RainCT: its running in alt-f7
[21:51] <henux> i can see the X mouse cursor and background
[21:51] <RainCT> henux: yea, but how have you started it?
[21:51] <henux> RainCT: i installed slim and rebooted themachine
[21:52] <henux> what is the name of the xserver's process? can i just kill it?
[21:52] <henux> sudo /etc/init.d/x11-common stop  <-- this does not do anything
[21:53] <RainCT> (not sure if that should do anything at all, was just a guess)
[21:53] <henux> okay
[21:53] <RainCT> could you kill slim or not?
[21:54] <henux> yes
[21:54] <henux> slim is no longer there
[21:54] <RainCT> and if you start it now?
[21:54] <henux> only plain x
[21:54] <henux> it starts, nothing happens in alt-f7
[21:55] <henux> ok i killed the X process
[21:55] <henux> i will now restart slim
[21:56] <henux> nothing, key and touchpad doesnt work
[21:56] <henux> xorf.conf does not contain blocks for keyboard or mouse
[21:57] <henux> probably because it does not recognize them
[21:58] <james_w> is there a way to not have to specify -k all the time to debuild and debsign?
[21:58] <RainCT> james_w: DEBFULLNAME, DEBEMAIL?
[21:59] <RainCT> or you mean for sponsoring?
[22:00] <RainCT> in the later case, you could try with   alias sdebuild='debuild -k<your email> $*'  or something like that
[22:00] <james_w> yeah
[22:00] <james_w> yeah, I thought there would be a way to do it
[22:00] <james_w> there's DEBSIGN_KEYID, but it doesn't seem to do what I want
[22:01] <james_w> surely taking it from the debian/changelog isn't the best way, unless you have multiple personalities
[22:01] <james_w> I mean it works well for having no setup, but surely I should be able to override it by specifying a key to always sign with
[22:32] <crevette> hello
[22:33] <james_w> hey crevette
[22:33] <crevette> hey james_w
[22:33] <crevette> thanks a lot
[22:34] <james_w> no problem
[22:34] <crevette> Ubuntu ships an old version of nemiver, a GNOME graphical debugger, and I would like to have the latest version, seb128 is okay for that, I just need the process to get it
[22:34] <crevette> I've already opena bug
[22:34] <crevette> debian ships 0.6.2 and latest is 0.6.3
[22:36] <crevette> it seems the nemiver package is just a sync'ed package from debian
[22:36] <norsetto> nellery: re. bug 281814, have you done any testing?
[22:39] <james_w> hey norsetto
[22:39] <norsetto> james_w: hey james_w
[22:40] <nellery> norsetto, Hi, I have and it appears to be working fine
[22:42] <norsetto> nellery: thats good, the problem is that this thing hasn't seen any testing and so I'd rather be sure that its working fine in intrepid, and that if it doesn't, there is somebody that can take care of it
[22:45] <nellery> norsetto, Well I'm using intrepid  to test it right now, and I'm fairly confident that I can take care of a major issue
[22:47] <norsetto> nellery: that would be cool, if you can, pls. try also asking others to test it; waiting for the FFe to be approved you can use your PPA for that
[22:48] <nellery> norsetto, okay, I will do that
[22:48] <nellery> thanks a lot!
[22:50] <norsetto> nellery: np
[22:54] <azeem>
[22:54] <azeem> oops, sorry
[23:17] <emgent> ScottK: ping


[10:58] <kmag> thanks for your help everyone.  Hopefully Feisty works better than Edgy on my system.
[10:58] <juanbond> Is it recommended to install a desktop in server edition?
[10:58] <illriginal> Znuff I have a question, how do I get my linux to recognize that I'm the owner, as of now it claims, "owner: unknown"
[10:58] <b0lland_> hi, I have a feisty installation, but I messed up my groups for the first user created during installation. Could someone please tell me what groups the default user usually is in?
[10:58] <elfking> ok, here it is  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22625/
[10:58] <Znuff> illovae, chown
[10:59] <juanbond> Or what are the downsides, if any, of installing desktop on a server installation?
[10:59] <illriginal> chown?
[10:59] <illriginal> im sorry im not even novice in linux
[11:00] <cedric30> Hi
[11:00] <Znuff> juanbond, none.
[11:00] <cedric30> Is there an issue to change is hostid?
[11:00] <Znuff> juanbond, just make sure you install a desktop kernel too.
[11:00] <portofu> i am 31337, dell laptop w/ linux
[11:01] <Dallas> I am more 1337. HP Laptop w/ Ubuntu
[11:01] <illriginal> znuff what do i do with chown?..
[11:01] <juanbond> desktop kernel?  I just ran apt-get instlal ubuntu-desktop.. do i need to run anything before that?
[11:01] <Znuff> illovae, you read the friendly manual page
[11:01] <_emmanuel> dell too
[11:01] <Znuff> juanbond, apt-get install linux-image-generic
[11:01] <_emmanuel> laptop
[11:02] <portofu> so how do i do all those cool things w/ my new laptop?
[11:02] <Znuff> portofu, cool?
[11:02] <portofu> hmmm, i dont know
[11:02] <Ultima`> Is there any way of hiding joins and leaves in Xchat?
[11:03] <IdleOne> portofu, and Dallas the fact that you spelled 1337 makes you not leet :P
[11:03] <x_> yo
[11:03] <shiryu> hello someone can tell me where and how to install a theme for ubuntu?
[11:03] <crdlb> Ultima`, xchat or xchat-gnome?
[11:03] <Dallas> You say that now...
[11:03] <IdleOne> Ultima`, in the Xchat prefs
[11:03] <Ultima`> XChat-Gnome
[11:03] <Dallas> But soon you'll be helping me fix my sound.
[11:03] <Dallas> =)
[11:03] <portofu> i was told i am running carebear.... whatever that means
[11:03] <elfking> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22625/
[11:03] <dcordes> portofu: crdlb xchat
[11:04] <shiryu> hello someone can tell me where and how to install a theme for ubuntu?
[11:04] <LokiListens> shiryu, gnome or kde?
[11:05] <Ultima`> Idleone, I fail to see this option in the preferences, perhaps I am blind?
[11:05] <shiryu> lokilistens im not sure but i think it is gnome
[11:05] <h4wk0> shiryu; have a look at gnome-look.org
[11:05] <h4wk0> For themes
[11:05] <LokiListens> shiryu, what h4wk0 said.  he beat me to it
[11:06] <shiryu> ok thanks
[11:06] <illriginal> Can someone PLEASE help make my ownership go from UNKNOWN to illriginal (I need ownership!!!!)
[11:06] <marshall> bronze, yeah i have google browser sync, it asks me if i want to restore my session and gives me the option of selecting which pages to reload, thats why i dont want firefox asking me
[11:07] <h4wk0> sorry LokiListens to slow :D
[11:07] <multidex> Can anyone help me make my Radium USB Midi controller work?
[11:07] <BooSteR> hello, anyone can tell me how to install flash and media codecs for PowerPC?
[11:07] <mh_le> I'm not able to log into the cyradm utility as the cyrus user.. could anyone help me with this?
[11:07] <aricz> Do anyone know how to change the colors in Ncurses?
[11:08] <illriginal> Can someone PLEASE help make my ownership go from UNKNOWN to illriginal (I need ownership!!!!)
[11:08] <alex_mayorga> Znuff, is there a way to auto-clean my GRUB menu.lst
[11:08] <illriginal> jesus christ where's all the gurus man
[11:08] <portofu> illriginal: chown -R $USER *?
[11:08] <portofu> man chown
[11:08] <Znuff> alex_mayorga, remove kernels
[11:09] <portofu> i was kidding. i dont have dell laptop. i dont run ubuntu. compaq V2000 w/ archlinux plus pekwm
[11:09] <alex_mayorga> Znuff, I've removed a number of old linux-images
[11:09] <BooSteR> hello, can anyone tell me how to install flash and media codecs for PowerPC?
[11:09] <illriginal> i dunno how to explain myself... either that or people don't understand what it is im talkin bout
[11:09] <agn0stic> illriginal: where is it saying "owner: unknown"?
[11:09] <ompaul> !language | illriginal
[11:09] <ubotu> illriginal: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:09] <portofu> on irssi, not xchat
[11:10] <alex_mayorga> Znuff, something like dpkg reconfigure grub or something
[11:10] <homanj> portofu: irssi for the win
[11:10] <ompaul> illriginal, next up go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and put your "output there"
[11:10] <illriginal> agn0stic, when I click on ANYTHING with right click, click properties, and i click on permissions... everything is UNKNOWN
[11:10] <ferronica> Does anyone know why my icons for the "cairo-dock" don't work? All I have is a blank dock with some text floating as I move around it - and none of the icons appear!
[11:10] <illriginal> ompaul i didn't even use foul language.
[11:10] <agn0stic> illriginal: ok, open up a terminal and enter ls -l . if the term "unkown" appears there, you actually do have a problem
[11:11] <ompaul> illriginal, you did what some would consider curse
[11:11] <illriginal>  ls -l
[11:11] <agn0stic> ompaul: maybe he was praying
[11:11] <illriginal> root@illriginal:~# ls -l
[11:11] <illriginal> total 4
[11:11] <illriginal> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-05-26 16:52 Desktop
[11:11] <illriginal> root@illriginal:~#
[11:12] <matterteck> hey guys, is changing the location of a user's home folder painless?  or are there any unforeseen consequences for programs or anything?
[11:12] <agn0stic> illriginal: are you loggged in as root? tis bad. don't use superuser for anything unless you absolutely need to
[11:12] <kitche> illriginal: well technially having a root account is unsupported here
[11:12] <kitche> illriginal: should use sudo -i instead really if you need a brief root terminal
[11:12] <illriginal> (-.-) i just want a simple thing done
[11:13] <ompaul> !root | illriginal
[11:13] <ubotu> illriginal: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:13] <anethema> anyone here know how, in beryl, to put desktops on the top and bottom of the cube?
[11:13] <illriginal> i've read this
[11:13] <portofu> illriginal: for i in `ls -lR /|grep UNKNOWN|awk -F' ' '{print $8}'`;do chown -R illriginal:illriginal $i;done
[11:13] <portofu> :)
[11:13] <hypn0> kitche: having a root account is unsupported :-))
[11:13] <ferronica> Does anyone know why my icons for the "cairo-dock" don't work? All I have is a blank dock with some text floating as I move around it - and none of the icons appear!
[11:13] <PurpZeY> anethma: #ubuntu-effects
[11:14] <mh_le> how do I test if postfix is connecting to cyrus properly?
[11:14] <portofu> dum dum dum
[11:14] <agn0stic> portofu: I'm wondering how they ended up as user UNKNOWN in the first place
[11:14] <anethema> thanks PurpZeY
[11:14] <PurpZeY> anethma: or #beryl
[11:14] <illriginal> agn0stic i just freshly installed feisty.. and im already hating this stupid version of ubuntu
[11:14] <portofu> agn0stic: not sure... hard to tell. i only seen it happen on autofs, nfs, NIS, LDAP, AD mounts
[11:14] <kitche> Ultima`: with /ignore try this /ignore +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS #ubuntu
[11:14] <illriginal> portofu, do i type this into terminal: ls -lR /|grep UNKNOWN|awk -F' ' '{print $8}'`;do chown -R illriginal:illriginal $i;done
[11:15] <agn0stic> illriginal: using linux requires some learning. things are different. it comes with time and patience.
[11:15] <illriginal> yes but i never had problems with edgy
[11:15] <illriginal> or dapper
[11:15] <portofu> http://www.cse.msu.edu/cgi-bin/man2html?chown?1?/usr/man illriginal
[11:15] <illriginal> feisty by far has givin me problem within 1 hour of installation
[11:15] <ferronica> any one here help me regarding cairo-dock please
[11:15] <portofu> chown command is easy to use to change ownership
[11:15] <illriginal> chown does NOT work... im sorry.
[11:16] <agn0stic> illriginal: you might have to sudo chown
[11:16] <illriginal> lol
[11:16] <portofu> if the file is already UNKNOWN (but usually display uid) you need to be root to change
[11:16] <illriginal> i fully understand that guys
[11:16] <illriginal> there's a command i need to type to change this
[11:16] <illriginal> it's not sudo chown
[11:16] <kitche> illriginal: yes it's chown
[11:16] <zee> what is the easiest way to upgrade from drapper drake to feisty fawn?
[11:16] <agn0stic> yes it is absolutely chown
[11:16] <magnetron> illriginal: just type "sudo chown filename"
[11:16] <illriginal> kitche im sorry, but im not "trollin"
[11:16] <PurpZeY> zee: You have to through dapper I believe.
[11:17] <agn0stic> or maybe chgrop
[11:17] <agn0stic> chgrp*
[11:17] <PurpZeY> !upgrade | zee
[11:17] <portofu> illriginal: could you pastebin the ls -la?
[11:17] <illriginal> i've used all kinds of chown commands
[11:17] <ubotu> zee: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:17] <illriginal> yes hold on portofu
[11:17] <portofu> i need to usee what you are talking about
[11:17] <zee> ah, thanks :-D I have been away from te computer for awhile, not up to date on things and some simple searches did not help me
[11:17] <PurpZeY> zee: That was easy...=) n/p.
[11:17] <illriginal> www.paste.ca
[11:17] <illriginal> www.pastebin.ca
[11:18] <kitche> illriginal: umm need the full link not the link to the main site
[11:18] <illriginal> http://www.pastebin.ca/512329
[11:18] <illriginal> i did that so that i can click on it (-.-)
[11:18] <Spar1> Im new to ubuntu but i have a problem =/
[11:19] <agn0stic> illriginal: you own those files
[11:19] <portofu> uhmm.... which ones you wanna change?
[11:19] <PurpZeY> !ask | spar1
[11:19] <ubotu> spar1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:19] <portofu> lol, they look right
[11:19] <Azul> yeah, don't we all have problems
[11:19] <elfking> homanj http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22625/
[11:19] <illriginal> agn0stic... im gonna just take screen shots, ok?
[11:19] <illriginal> maybe my explanation is foreign to everyone
[11:19] <Spar1> haha kk. well anyways my windows are all jittery when i move them how do i fix this?
[11:19] <kitche>  illriginal no alll the files look right that you just pastebined
[11:19] <portofu> if you are talking about .. that's directory above and should be /home, which is owned by root
[11:20] <PurpZeY> Spar1: You mean they wobble?
[11:20] <kitche> illriginal: .. should be root root
[11:20] <homanj> elfking: sorry, i looked at it. i am not sure what is wrong
[11:20] <agn0stic> illriginal: it may be saying "UNKNOWN" in gnomes display or whatnot but you own them. but yeah, screenshots, sure
[11:20] <Spar1> No they like skip frames like they dont refresh fast enough.
[11:20] <PurpZeY> Spar1: What kind of video card?
[11:20] <Spar1> X1600XT Ati
[11:20] <shiryu> hello i downloaded some themes for ubuntu in gnome-look-org but when i open the file it says that it is unsopported or wherever it is written, sorry but english is not my native language
[11:20] <shiryu> anyone can tell me how to install it?
[11:21] <elfking> could it just be the vista?  my file structure is all there, just cant access it
[11:21] <PurpZeY> shiryu: There are a bunch of channels for non-english support, if that would be easier.
[11:21] <Spar1> Everything seems really jittery.
[11:21] <shiryu> mm ok but anyone can help me with the theme?
[11:21] <PurpZeY> Spar1: Fiesty can be weird with ATI...There are some fixes I beleive.
[11:21] <LokiListens> shiryu, in gnome go to system->Preferences->Themes
[11:21] <PurpZeY> !ATI | Spar1
[11:21] <ubotu> Spar1: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:21] <Spar1> Im using edgy
[11:21] <Spar1> thx
[11:22] <und3ad> how can i run an application in tray from console? for example i want to run pidgin but when i close the console... pidgin quits...
[11:22] <shiryu> and i select install a new theme lokilistens?
[11:22] <LokiListens> shiryu, yup
[11:22] <PurpZeY> shiryu: Yes....
[11:22] <kitche> und3ad: you can pidgin & but pidgin has the systray icon disabled by default
[11:22] <MrMiste1> und3ad do alt-f2 and try running pidgin from there
[11:22] <MrMiste1> i think the command is just "pigdin"
[11:22] <PurpZeY> shiryu: You should be able to just drag the theme in.
[11:23] <illriginal> hey guys, look: http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/Tamacracker/Screenshot-2.png
[11:23] <portofu> or you can pidgin & from CLI? :)
[11:23] <MrMiste1> *pidgin
[11:23] <kitche> MrMiste1: it is but with that once you close the console it quits pidgin also
[11:23] <shiryu> purpzey but when i select install a new theme and then open the file it says that is invalid
[11:23] <und3ad> i have tried pidgin & but when i close the console pidgin is not quiting.. but it disconnect from server...
[11:23] <PurpZeY> shiryu: What type of a theme is it?
[11:24] <portofu> uhmm.... i belive you are looking at the HD itself; which is a raw device
[11:24] <shiryu> i dont know i downloaded it for gnome-look.org
[11:24] <portofu> or block device
[11:24] <homanj> und3ad: http://jonhoman.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/how-to-build-pidgin-on-ubuntu-feisty/
[11:24] <ROnewbie> forr some reason, Net Mngr dosn't connect to my WEP-encrypted wireless network; it sees it, it asks for the key when I click it, but it takes several minutes until it says "unable to connect" on a mouseover. It also displays zero signal strength, both for mine and those of my neighbors. I'm running Feisty on an MSI S271X laptop, with a RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g wireless card and a DLink router. Help?
[11:24] <shrimants> purpzey, can u pleaes help me configure my touchpad again? SHMConfig doesnt seem to be working
[11:24] <homanj> und3ad: the last part is what you want to look at.
[11:24] <PurpZeY> shiryu: When you go to gnome-look, you want to download a theme from the GTK2 category, or metacity (I don't know how to install metacity..) but GTK is easy, just drag and drop.
[11:25] <portofu> someone help illriginal, i have to break and resync solaris mirrors now
[11:25] <homanj> und3ad: i'd add pidgin to my panel.
[11:25] <agn0stic> illriginal: do that on a file, like a text file or something in your home directory
[11:25] <PurpZeY> shrimants: Try that other applications, qsynaptics as opposed to gsynaptics
[11:25] <Ultima`> Can anyone recommend an IRC client for Ubuntu (feisty) that lets me disable the viewing of the channel joins and leaves?
[11:25] <illriginal> nah... i think im done, i need to eat something and re-energize lol
[11:25] <shiryu> ok thanks purpzey
[11:25] <eternaljoy> shiryu: welcome
[11:25] <PurpZeY> shiryu: n/p...should be easy from there.
[11:25] <illriginal> agn0stic thanks for helpin, same with you portofu
[11:25] <und3ad> i have pidgin to my pannel... but i start it faster from the console... :D
[11:26] <shrimants> purpzey, i am using qsynaptics. its telling me SHMConfig isnt enabled, but the entry is there for the touchpad in xorg.conf
[11:26] <PurpZeY> shrimants: and you've restarted x since then?
[11:26] <hypn0> Ultima`: pidgin :-)
[11:26] <marshall> how do i change the default file browser from nautilus to thunar?
[11:26] <shrimants> purpzey, yes
[11:26] <matterteck> Ultima`: irssi :)
[11:26] <PurpZeY> shrimants: can you pastebin that section of xorg?
[11:26] <PurpZeY> !pastebin
[11:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:27] <Ultima`> I didn't see that option in Pidgin either, where is it?
[11:27] <hypn0> Ultima`: it's a plugin ;-)
[11:27] <Ultima`> Where can I find that plugin?  :P
[11:27] <ROnewbie> Hi all. For some reason, Net Mngr dosn't connect to my WEP-encrypted wireless network; it sees it, it asks for the key when I click it, but it takes several minutes until it says "unable to connect" on a mouseover. It also displays zero signal strength for all WLANs, both mine and those of my neighbors. I'm running Feisty on an MSI S271X laptop, with a RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g wireless card and a DLink router. HELP, anyone?
[11:27] <hypn0> in the menu Ultima`
[11:27] <portofu> http://asdffdsa.org/~terii/images/screen.jpg ya guys like my desktop?
[11:28] <Ultima`> ah, ok, let me switch to it then
[11:28] <shrimants> purpzey, i put my entire xorg file there http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22631/
[11:28] <hypn0> tools>plugins>join/part hiding Ultima`
[11:28] <Phazeman> need help with Intel 82945G Express chipset (video). can anyone help ?
[11:29] <ferronica> Does anyone know why my icons for the "cairo-dock" don't work? All I have is a blank dock with some text floating as I move around it - and none of the icons appear!
[11:30] <portofu> Phazeman: k, 945G is the chipset, you are using either integrated 950 or some pci-e video card
[11:30] <portofu> lspci -v
[11:30] <portofu> and look for your video
[11:30] <Phazeman> portofu, i'm using the integrated
[11:30] <Phazeman> portofu, it shows 945G integrated etc..
[11:31] <TinoW> hm. thats weird... I copied a working ubuntu installation to another partition, changed fstab and menu.lst accordingly and still it does not mount tmp-fs aparently
[11:31] <portofu> http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945g/index.htm it's 950, rest assured
[11:31] <ROnewbie> Any wireless gurus around /
[11:31] <Phazeman> portofu, ok, but there is no way i can boot into graphic interface
[11:31] <ROnewbie> ?
[11:32] <PurpZeY> shrimants: Ok, I'll admit this was totally my bad...b/c I told you to set it this way, and I swear that I read it from somewhere...but in my xorg I have it as "SHMConfig" "true" I have no idea where I got that from, but I totally read "on" somewhere, so I am really sorry. but that should fix it.
[11:32] <Phazeman> portofu, it hungs my computer
[11:32] <portofu> Phazeman: fresh install?
[11:32] <portofu> ROnewbie: just state your problem w/ wifi
[11:32] <Phazeman> portofu, i've wiped the install and now trying with live cd. the only way i could see something was booting into 6.06 LTS
[11:32] <shrimants> purpzey, so i just set it to shmconfig True?
[11:32] <Phazeman> portofu, but after 5-6 minutes the monitor blinks and the machine hungs again
[11:33] <PurpZeY> shrimants: wait...one sec...it looks like it is different in certain sections...now I am really confused...I a really sorry...bear with me for a sec.
[11:33] <shrimants> allright
[11:33] <dxdemetriou> I have problem with thunderbird that don't show this type of emails, but when I take the html code to .htm works ok. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22632/
[11:34] <portofu> Phazeman: could you pastbin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[11:34] <Phazeman> portofu, i don't have it... i will have to reboot to the live cd
[11:34] <Phazeman> portofu, as i told, there is no install in here now. i've wiped it out since i needed the machine to work fast
[11:35] <Phazeman> portofu, i've had some order to do :(
[11:35] <Phazeman> portofu, i was using the default one from the live cd
[11:35] <Zeke> Hey, where can I get support for NetworkManager?
[11:35] <Phazeman> it's just killing me
[11:36] <PurpZeY> shrimants: Ok. Here's what I see.
[11:37] <portofu> Phazeman: perl -pi -e 's/5:initdefault/3:initdefault/' /etc/inittab
[11:37] <portofu> so it doesn't autoboot into gui; which freeezes your system
[11:37] <zero> where can i find a list with the package that are avaible with        sudo apt-get install?
[11:37] <PurpZeY> shrimants: 1) It looks like you have SHMConfig set as "true" -- it needs to be on...Also, you have it set on your mouse (the "primary") pointing device as well, and I don't have that. So. I think if you change it from "true" to "on" should be all set...I don't know why I got that so jumbled.
[11:37] <Phazeman> portofu, yeah i know how to set an init level :) thats the thing, that i don't have linux installed in here right now
[11:37] <portofu> im not sure how ubuntu do their live cd..... /etc/xorg/xorg.conf could be a static file. not generated per to your system
[11:38] <PurpZeY> shrimants: also, I don't know that having it in your "primary" pointer area, will affect anything.
[11:38] <Phazeman> portofu, yeah it is a static file
[11:38] <zero> where can i find a list with the package that are avaible with        sudo apt-get install?
[11:38] <homanj> zero: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:38] <zero> homanj: thx
[11:38] <homanj> zero: also, see the synaptics manager
[11:38] <Phazeman> portofu, thanks anyway, i will have to install it in the weekend and then try again.
[11:38] <Balachmar> Hi can anyone help me with my installation of feisty using lvm
[11:38] <portofu> Phazeman: it's hard to gauge w/ a proper xorg.conf
[11:38] <PurpZeY> shrimants: Make sure you backup xorg first..make the changes and let me know if that helps.
[11:38] <Phazeman> thanks for trying !
[11:38] <portofu> w/o
[11:38] <Phazeman> portofu, yeah i know :)
[11:39] <Phazeman> you are right
[11:39] <Phazeman> i will install it once i have some free minute and then come back for help
[11:39] <portofu> you can also check /var/log/Xorg.log
[11:39] <portofu> k
[11:39] <portofu> good luck
[11:39] <Balachmar> I have downloaded the cd, and am trying to install, but I don't know where to find the lvm stuff
[11:39] <Phazeman> yeah known... no errors were found there
[11:39] <portofu> Phazeman: weird.
[11:39] <Ultima`> What was that Pidgin plugin for hiding the joins and exists again?
[11:39] <Phazeman> portofu, indeed. i was fighting it for a week and then came back to W$ because i've had some work to do
[11:39] <hypn0> tools>plugins>join/part hiding Ultima`
[11:40] <shrimants> purpzey how do i put it in my primary location?
[11:40] <Ultima`> damn, it's not on my version
[11:40] <kupesoft> If I don't have root access to a box, what's the best way to install / run an httpd?
[11:40] <Phazeman> kupesoft, i don't think you can
[11:40] <portofu> phazman, i can't get my system @ work to work w/ 7.04. i had to pkg freeze fglrx @ v.8.32. anything newer my system just locks
[11:40] <TinoW> kupesoft: anything above port 1024
[11:40] <portofu> you might want to check if other users is having same problem
[11:40] <kupesoft> Phazeman: There's no reason you can't, if it's above port 1024
[11:41] <portofu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384344&highlight=950&page=2
[11:41] <kupesoft> TinoW: What's a good httpd to run, note I have to compile it myself
[11:41] <Balachmar> Or do I need to use the alternate installation cd for lvm?
[11:41] <hypn0> I got mine from http://www.getdeb.net/ Ultima`
[11:41] <Phazeman> kupesoft, can you actualy run a service if you don't have root nor sudo perms ?
[11:41] <TinoW> kupesoft: the question is for what do you want to use it?
[11:41] <kitche> kupesoft: why not use httpd
[11:41] <und3ad> how can i remove the mounted volumes from desktop?
[11:41] <PurpZeY> shrimants: I wouldn't really worry about that...I just mean...if you look in your xorg, you'll see that SHMConfig appears twice succesively for two devices...Mine doesn't have that...But I don't think that will affect it, if you set it "on" for the touchpad.
[11:41] <kupesoft> Phazeman: Why not?
[11:41] <kupesoft> Phazeman: nohup <cmd name> &
[11:42] <Phazeman> kupesoft, welp... it's not that secure you know...
[11:42] <TinoW> Phazeman: yes you can if you open only ports above 1024 (and there is no firewall)
[11:42] <shrimants> ok let me try to restart X and see what happenes this time around
[11:42] <kitche> Phazeman: running any service is not secure :)
[11:42] <Phazeman> kitche, lol
[11:42] <Phazeman> kitche, i was speaking about daemons :)
[11:42] <pushpop> does Ubuntu have RDP like windos?
[11:42] <pushpop> I want to remote on to my Ubuntu machine?
[11:42] <kitche> Phazeman: yes as I said running any of them is not secure
[11:42] <portofu> pushpop: freenx
[11:43] <Ultima`> thanks hypn0, installing it now
[11:43] <portofu> vnc is crap
[11:43] <Phazeman> kitche, then we have to stop using computers :)
[11:43] <kitche> Phazeman: having a good firewall helps :)
[11:43] <Balachmar> Can nobody help me with LVM?
[11:43] <Phazeman> kitche, hehe
[11:43] <TinoW> pushpop: do you really need gpahic screen, that freenx, if command line, just ssh
[11:43] <Phazeman> kitche, i love ipkungfu from trappist
[11:43] <pushpop> true, I dont really need gfx
[11:43] <und3ad> how can i remove the mounted volumes from desktop?
[11:44] <und3ad> how can i remove the mounted volumes shortcuts from desktop?
[11:44] <portofu> with your hands?
[11:44] <Phazeman> portofu, i was an mandriva channel admin once... was running mandrake when it was mandrake.. then work took me to the enemy OS, so there was nothing i could do :)
[11:44] <pyCube> hmm.. i dont get this network manager stuff
[11:44] <pyCube> i see my wireless network
[11:44] <pyCube> and i select it
[11:44] <ROnewbie> portofu: hi portofu. Here it is: Net Mngr dosn't connect to my WEP-encrypted wireless network; it sees it, it asks for the key when I click it, but it takes several minutes until it says "unable to connect" on a mouseover. It also displays zero signal strength for all WLANs, both mine and those of my neighbors. I'm running Feisty on an MSI S271X laptop, with a RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g wireless card and a DLink router.
[11:45] <pyCube> but nothing ever happens
[11:45] <portofu> Phazeman: ppl hates me at work because i run linux as primary OS
[11:45] <Balachmar> Do I need the alternate install cd to install using LVM or not? Because I can't seem to find it on the normal cd
[11:45] <Phazeman> portofu, people loves me at work now (other work place) since i can help then with linux :)
[11:46] <Phazeman> portofu, we use 90% linux for servers :)
[11:46] <portofu> Phazeman: nice :)
[11:46] <TinoW> Phazeman: and the other 10%?
[11:46] <portofu> ROnewbie: have you try to turn off WEP/WPA on your router and connect to it?
[11:46] <Phazeman> TinoW, solaris for oracle, but those will go linux the next version
[11:47] <magnetron> Balachmar: i think so, that you need the alternate disk
[11:47] <eternaljoy> magnetron: why?
[11:47] <magnetron> Balachmar: not sure though
[11:47] <Balachmar> magnetron: I am downloading it atm
[11:47] <Phazeman> welp... i'm off to sleep. have a good night/day/morning/evening everybidy
[11:48] <Balachmar> but do you have any idea how to install it?
[11:48] <Phazeman> s/everibidy/everybody
[11:48] <ROnewbie> portofu: would that make a lot of difference ? and if it would work, what would it say about my chances to use encrypted networks ?
[11:48] <portofu> Phazeman: we have about 80% solaris and 20% linux servers at work. those dells runs HOT
[11:48] <magnetron> eternaljoy: the desktop cd just contains the most common install options
[11:48] <Phazeman> portofu, IBM blade centers here with linux :) we love those :)
[11:48] <portofu> ROnewbie: when you debug a problem you always try to get rid of layers first
[11:48] <taime1> how do i change the boot splash?
[11:48] <portofu> http://asdffdsa.org/~terii/images/new_workstation.jpg i maintain those linux servers
[11:48] <eternaljoy> magnetron: yeah true!  and the desktop wouldnt install for me at all, but when I tried the  the alternate disk it installed fine
[11:48] <ROnewbie> portofu: OK, I'll try that now. Be back in a sec
[11:49] <Isaac_kx> Where can I get support for NetworkManager?
[11:49] <Phazeman> portofu, WOW lol
[11:49] <portofu> yea, it's a small datacenter
[11:49] <Znuff> bye
[11:49] <portofu> we got 2 other solaris admins
[11:50] <marshall> how do you change the default file browser in ubuntu from nautilus to thunar?
[11:50] <magnetron> eternaljoy: depends on your hardware config
[11:50] <Phazeman> portofu, this was my mandriva once http://www.linux.org.ru/profile/phazeman/gallery/bigAJWa2H.jpg , and this was my gentoo once http://www.linux.org.ru/profile/phazeman/gallery/bigM45YoL.jpg
[11:50] <eternaljoy> magnetron: yeah, its relative
[11:50] <Phazeman> those are the only screenys i have left
[11:50] <Phazeman> hehe
[11:50] <magnetron> please don't start anything
[11:50] <magnetron> what would be the point?
[11:51] <eternaljoy> magnetron: what????
[11:51] <Chousuke> I think I could actually install Gentoo on my current machine. C2D has enough power to make all that compiling bearable ;P
[11:51] <taime1> can the bootsplach be changed? and if so, how?
[11:51] <portofu> nice fluxbox ^^
[11:51] <Phazeman> portofu, did you like it ?
[11:51] <magnetron> eternaljoy: not you
[11:51] <eternaljoy> magnetron: ok :)
[11:52] <shrimants> purpzey, it works now, just wondering how to make it faster
[11:52] <shrimants> like mouse acceleration
[11:52] <Phazeman> portofu, yeah, i was running it since i've been tired of KDE and i really can't connect with gnome
[11:53] <ahmed> guys how to install aiglx
[11:53] <und3ad> what is evolution-alarm-notify ?
[11:53] <taime1> ahmed: are you running feisty?
[11:53] <Gnea> !aiglx | ahmed
[11:53] <ubotu> ahmed: AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[11:53] <erUSUL> ahmed: aiglx comes integrated in xorg 7.1 and 7.2 afaik
[11:53] <LokiListens> taime1, System>Preferences>Splash Screen
[11:53] <agn0stic> und3ad: an alarm notifier for evolution?
[11:53] <PurpZeY> shrimants: I believe adjusting it in gsynaptics...Just run gsynatpics...and there is a slider on the first tab.
[11:54] <und3ad> what is evolution then ?
[11:54] <portofu> Phazeman: i use pekwm now. no icons, no panel. :) i should poke around fluxbox...
[11:54] <PurpZeY> shrimants: I'm personally not entirely sure which of the two programs is controlling the touchpad, or both. . .I just set the settings how I thought I'd like them and tweaked them to be how I liked them....I know its not exacting, but it worked.
[11:54] <Phazeman> portofu, i don't like to go back to DOS times completely, i still like some eyecandy, so i love fluxbox for it's simplicity and speed
[11:54] <earth-dragon> und3ad: an email program/scheduler
[11:54] <marshall> how do you change the default file browser in ubuntu from nautilus to thunar?
[11:54] <und3ad> ah... tnx
[11:54] <magnetron> und3ad: evolution is the standard email client that is packaged with Ubuntu
[11:55] <shrimants> purpzey, it isnt there, thats for sensitivity
[11:55] <portofu> Phazeman: point taken. :)
[11:55] <Phazeman> portofu, hehe lol
[11:55] <taime1> Can someone pretty please with sugar and a cherry on top point me to a tutorial that tells me how to change my boot splash?, i'll pour you a glass of lemonade!
[11:55] <IndyGunFreak> Where is the setting to make Open Office see Opera as my default browser?  It keeps opening Firefox, my default browser is set to Opera...
[11:55] <TkA> ok ubuntu is totally awesome
[11:55] <TkA> so long windows
[11:56] <homanj> taime1: google usplash
[11:56] <taime1> TkA: ;)
[11:56] <artabrahao> HI, I have installed samba but I sill cant access the windows server
[11:56] <earth-dragon> is it possible to erase a partition u aren't usung anymore and tack it on to my ubuntu partition?
[11:56] <BlueEagle> earth-dragon: It is.
[11:56] <Gnea> artabrahao: did you configure it?
[11:56] <PurpZeY> shrimants: Like I said, I really, don't know precisely which of all 3 programs eventually got my settings right....but I've tweaked all three...Also, if you really want to get fancy there are a bunch of custom mods on the forums, that you can just change your xorg.conf
[11:56] <Phazeman> portofu, now, the only thing that keeps my win in here is the inability to use photoshop properly :( if i would have it - there would be no win in this home
[11:56] <portofu> artabrahao: pastebin your /etc/samba/smb.conf?
[11:56] <shrimants> allright, thanks
[11:56] <BlueEagle> earth-dragon: You just find a place to mount it where the space would be useful. Ie /home if you haven't got a separate home partition.
 how?
[11:57] <Gnea> artabrahao: are you trying to access a remote windows server?
[11:57] <lspci> anyone familiar with 7.04 and intel mac?
 try to access a shared folder
[11:57] <BlueEagle> ubotu: tell lspci about anyone
[11:57] <earth-dragon> BlueEagle: cool, is there any documentation about how to do it?
[11:57] <portofu> Phazeman: i do have a windows box i rdesktop to. our ticket system and in-house query app still only runs on windows. but other than that...
[11:57] <mwe> shouldn't login be last thing to happen during boot? This is what happens here http://erup.eu/CIMG0863.JPG. somewhat odd.
[11:57] <Gnea> artabrahao: with swat
[11:58] <Gnea> artabrahao: on the same computer or a different computer?
[11:58] <magnetron> portofu, Phazeman: check out WIne
[11:58] <Gnea> !samba | artabrahao
[11:58] <ubotu> artabrahao: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:58] <Phazeman> portofu, there was time when my wife used linux too :) but she forget how it looks like now :)
[11:58] <BlueEagle> earth-dragon: There should be a section on partitions in the wiki. Basically you'll need to fdisk to change the partition type, make a filesystem on the partition and then mount it (probably want to put it in /etc/fstab)
[11:58] <portofu> Phazeman: that's a keeper! ^_^
[11:58] <artabrahao> When I type swat appears command not found
[11:58] <Phazeman> magnetron, photoshop doensnt like linux and it's a fact. trust me i've try it all
[11:58] <Phazeman> portofu, lol yeah :)
[11:59] <MrMiste1> apt-get moo
[11:59] <taime1> hmm.. i think im asking the wrong question... i want to know how to change the splash when your desktop is loading...sorry..
[11:59] <magnetron> Phazeman: i know.
[11:59] <earth-dragon> BlueEagle: Thank you, I'll try it
[11:59] <BlueEagle> earth-dragon: You're welcome.
[11:59] <Gnea> artabrahao: it's not a commandline program, it's a web-interface. you have much reading to do.
[11:59] <magnetron> taime1: that's the Gnome splash
[11:59] <Phazeman> magnetron, lol so why do you suggest me to try it ? :)
[11:59] <ROnewbi1> portofu: tried it, portofu. removed the WEP key and rebooted; it initially showed the real signal strength, but wouldn't connect; then it wouldn't show any signal strength at all
[11:59] <Gnea> artabrahao: please read the links that ubotu gave you
[11:59] <bordy_confused> Anyone got time to help me with my wireless problem here? Can't figure out how to fix it
[11:59] <und3ad> how can i remove those from desktop ? http://photos.piry.net/view/25192Screenshot.png
[11:59] <bordy_confused> cant connect
[11:59] <taime1> AHA.... now how do i do that?..haha
[11:59] <ahmed>  how to know how much free space i got left in ma linux partition ?
[11:59] <ROnewbi1> portofu: and wouldn't connect either
[12:00] <zabin> hey
[12:00] <kitche> ahmed: df -h
[12:00] <BlueEagle> !anyone | bordy_confused
[12:00] <ubotu> bordy_confused: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:00] <zabin> is there any good dvd burning software?
[12:00] <artabrahao> thanks all!
[12:00] <magnetron> Phazeman: because it works for some versions, and i didn't know if you had tested it
[12:00] <MrMiste1> k3b
[12:00] <portofu> ROnewbi1: your wifi chipset is realtek? could you parse the exact model number?
[12:00] <zabin> that burns it in a dvd format like nero
[12:00] <lspci> when I soft reset my intel mac it does not boot... it sits at a black screen.  but when I power cycle, it boots ubuntu fine... any ideas?
[12:00] <zabin> k3b doesnt do that i dont think
[12:00] <magnetron> zabin: try gnomebaker
[12:00] <MrMiste1> you can get nero for linux now
[12:00] <ROnewbi1> portofu: one sec
[12:00] <Phazeman> welp... g'night all. thanks portofu for trying :)
[12:00] <bordy_confused> I cannot figure out how to connect to my wireless network... and nothing I am trying is working
[12:00] <MrMiste1> i don't know of a free alternative that does the same
[12:01] <GFT20> GET A MAC!!
[12:01] <lspci> k3b burns dvds fine for me
[12:01] <Phazeman> magnetron, yeah, it works with 7.0 and i need CS3. thanks anyway, i'm off to sleep
[12:01] <portofu> iwlist wlan0 scan shows nowthing?
[12:01] <Ultima`> Could anyone link me to a guide as to figure out how to extract a wireless driver from Windows for ndiswrapper?
[12:01] <zabin> lspci: not in the dvd media formate
[12:01] <Gnea> GFT20: GET A LIFE!!
[12:01] <ROnewbi1> portofu: this is what lspci -v returns: Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g


[12:57] <jwm_TO> Looking for help with a touchpad problem.  After upgrading to 17.04 I can't turn off the touchpad in GNOME though it turns off automatically when I connect a mouse in KDE.  Any help?
[12:58] <jwm_TO> sorry.  I'll head to #ubuntu for support
[19:42] <mati> Hi, Is there any possible to add any app to gnome notification area?


[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !info grab xenial
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> nerdjones: we cant generalize snaps are bad easy
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> there are alot of snaps, by different maintainers, and some have bugs, just like other packages
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> its the users choice also to use snaps or not
[04:48] <nerdjones> i think the conversation was more along the lines of snaps in general are not a good idea, i dont remember. what brought it back to me was i noticed that the software app has me downloading a lot of snaps and there are a lot of /dev/loops in blkid.
[04:49] <Bashing-om> Keep in mind too that snaps depends on the use case; in IOT snaps are the thing; and "might" be useful on the desktop.
[04:56] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: If one really has no desire for snaps, the tool can be removed ;)
[04:59] <nerdjones> if it works i dont really see a problem with it, i was just a little alarmed by all the /dev/loops in blkid and there are also a lot of entrys in dmesg for chrome, but im not sure if thats snap related or just chrome being chrome, but it does make it harder to find info i have needed in the whole 2 hours ive been using ubuntu again
[05:03] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: chromium has gone the snap way- and we (me) have parted ways.
[05:07] <nerdjones> Bashing-om: because of the snap thing? are you anti-snap?
[05:08] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: Not so much anti-snap as pro-apt on the desktop. Bear in mind I do have limited assets in this ole box :P
[05:12] <nerdjones> its been years since ive used ubuntu but im already finding myself leaning more towards apt, just because i remember using it mostly, is there a way to convince the app store to use apt? or is it how the dev package thigns so i cant do much about it?
[05:18] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: No experience withthe "app store" so cannot comment there. I have become conversant with the command line :P
[05:56] <guiverc2> has Kubuntu switched to use calamares installer? (instead of ubiquity)
[07:47] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:47] <marcoagpinto> Why isn't there an option to show the resolution of videos in the folders
[07:47] <marcoagpinto> ?
[07:48] <marcoagpinto> Windows 10 has that feature
[07:48] <marcoagpinto> tested with 18.04
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: you mean the size of thumbnails in nautilus?
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: no, a tab showing 1280x720
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> guiverc2: ive read 20.04 made a revamp of ubiquity, is that what you mean?
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> or the duration of the video
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: right mouse on the video/properties
[08:23] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: wouldn't it be simpler to have a tab with resolution+duration?
[08:23] <marcoagpinto> right-clicking in the folder tab should allow to select it
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: you could check around with dconf-editor on nautilus perhaps
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: and if you dont find any tweak, you can always propose a wichlist !bug
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> *wishlist
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaa
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> what is the bugzilla platform url?
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> https://launchpad.net
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: bugs on ubuntu, always create with ubuntu-bug packagename
[08:26] <marcoagpinto> found it
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: could you tell me in which part of launchpad should I create the ticket?
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> sorry for bothering you
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> scroll back to what i just said
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> wishlist?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> no
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> from a terminal: ubuntu-bug packagename
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> but I am already in the site logged in
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> in your case ubuntu-bug nautilus if you want a wishlist for nautilus
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: when you use ubuntu-bug, relevant (system)info will add into your bug wich the devs will need, if you file it directly from launchpad, that info will be missing
[08:31] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaa
[08:31] <marcoagpinto> I want to file the wishlist using launchpad... but it is so hard to use
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> please dont
[08:32] <marcoagpinto> then: terminal -> ubuntu-bug nautilus ?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> if nautilus is the package you want a wish for yes
[08:33] <marcoagpinto> let me try
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> "send problem report to developers"?
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> it allows a yes or no
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> but, where can I write the wishlist?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: first you need to proceed with the normal bug procedure, after that you can ask an admin/dev to convert it to a wishlist
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: after choosing yes, browser will jump open to add a bug title + description
[08:38] <marcoagpinto> yes, I am already there
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1860899
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> are you an administrator?
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> :p
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: in a few hours, please ping hggdh and ask gently if he wants to convert your bug to a wish
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> oki
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> !19.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) is the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported ended January 2020. see !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-January/005263.html
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !19.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) was the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported ended January 2020. see !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-January/005263.html
[11:27] <guiverc2> sorry lotuspsychje , nah.  Kubuntu uses ubiquity with a 'kde_ui' skin that looks like calamares... (i disappeared out for dinner, somewhere someone was asking kubuntu support question sending me pic of screen; I was wondering if kde neon that uses calamares.. it was legit though..)
[11:27] <guiverc2> thanks for reply lotuspsychje :)
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> guiverc2: aha, no kde experiences myself here, maybe blueskaj or RikMills might know that
[11:56] <guiverc2> no need; I don't remember whatever it was, but it was legit & I gave whatever I could..
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> [08:40] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: in a few hours, please ping hggdh and ask gently if he wants to convert your bug to a wish
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> hggdh: Ping?
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> [12:48] <marcoagpinto> hggdh: Ping?
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Is "Kingston" a good brand for MicroSD Cards for mobile phones?
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> The Pakistani didn't have SanDisk
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> :(
[13:39] <SwedeMike> marcoagpinto: yes.
[13:39] <SwedeMike> it's a well known brand
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhh
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> I ordered a Sandisk and two readers USB from Amazon UK but they lost my package and returned the $$$
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> so, I had to ask dad to buy it here in Portugal
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> but the store across the street doesn't have SanDisk
[14:31] <pizzaiolo> o/
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> pizzaiolo!
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- cola demon
[15:17] <daftykins> as long as they're not fakes
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> what?!
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> that is what I told dad
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> "the pakistani stores probably sell fakes"
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: How do I know it is real?
[15:19] <daftykins> please stop referring to shop staff by race, it's really not pleasant
[15:19] <daftykins> or nationality rather
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> oki
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> sorry
[15:20] <marcoagpinto> how do you call chinese stores?
[15:20] <daftykins> ...
[15:21] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: The problem is that in Portugal we are loaded with Chinese and Pakistani stores... so, one says: "I am going to the Chinese to buy blah blah"
[15:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:23] <daftykins> i would hope that's not common practice
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> it is common practice
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> at least here
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> Even in Portuguese Mozambique where I was born there was Chinese stores :)
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> back in the 1970s and earlier
[15:25] <daftykins> what i mean is i doubt everyone else goes around referring to them as such
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> in Portugal it is common practice
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> :p
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: How do I tell if the SD Card is real?
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:28] <daftykins> look it up
[15:28] <marcoagpinto> how?
[15:29] <marcoagpinto> it is inside a box just like the ones in the supermarket
[15:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:29] <marcoagpinto> a case with lines to cut with scissors
[15:32] <daftykins> rumour has it there's a free resource of interconnected computers that allows you to look things up
[15:33] <marcoagpinto> what?
[17:26] <tomreyn> lapion: i probably don't know more than you do, canonical is pushing more and more for snaps overall.
[17:27] <lapion> But don't snaps use extra ram to just merge the snap fs into the regluar fs ?
[17:27] <tomreyn> lapion: it feels to me (and others) that there is an intention to replace deb in the medium / long term
[17:27] <tomreyn> no, i don't think so
[17:27] <tomreyn> but for technical details you'd better askin #snapcraft probably since most people aroun dhere don't want to support snaps
[17:28] <lapion> Don't snaps incur a performance penalty
[17:28] <tomreyn> i have no benchmarks
[17:33] <oerheks> my bet is that they gain performance
[17:34] <oerheks> performance, security ( confinement), updates independent from apt
[17:37] <daftykins> they'd only be more secure if the developer/'snapper' is regularly keeping all components inside current
[17:38] <lapion> They will surely use more ram and the system has to go through 2 layers of filesystems..
[17:38] <lapion> And a snap will use more storage space
[17:40] <daftykins> don't get me wrong i despise them and always purge snapd, but those are very weak arguments
[17:41] <oerheks> what is the difference, a few kb?
[17:44] <oerheks> try to roll back an apt package .. or remove a dependency. snap will work.
[19:43] <JanC> the difference between an application in a snap/flatpak vs. one installed with APT is more like several 100s of MBs usually
[22:36] <marcoagpinto> "dream on, dream on, dream on until your dreams come true" >:)
[22:44] <jeremy31> You don't always get what you want, if you try real hard you might get what you need
[22:47] <oerheks> if you need it, it will on your path. you certainly do not need all that comes on your path.
[22:47] <oerheks> c/ will be
[23:00] <marcoagpinto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kqUxPAGYI <- "Dream on"
[23:00] <marcoagpinto> a Dio song, very good
[23:01] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... one hour for my birthday